17 Episode results for "Ken Taylor"

Episode 139, Apple means business, personally and professionally

Mac Minutes

09:55 min | 3 months ago

Episode 139, Apple means business, personally and professionally

"You're welcome to the mac minutes podcast episode. One hundred thirty nine apple means business personally and professionally. This is the mac minutes podcast with john. Scudder from beautiful anchorage. Alaska in this podcast. You'll hear about the world of apple in how technology could help you. Work smarter personally and professionally. We will give you the news in minutes not hours. That's why this is the mac minutes podcast in this episode. We will give you ten reasons. White apple should be your choice for personal and business interests. You already have a keen interest in apple products. Or you wouldn't be listening to the mac minutes podcast often i and other. It professionals are asked for advice on business. Purchasing and find ourselves explaining the advantages of apple and making recommendations to our company to make an initial additional investment to meet their computing requirements for those. Who are it professionals. Many of us have friends and relatives who looked to us for advice on justification to spend two thousand dollars. us versus six hundred dollars for a pc. for instance. I decided to do this. Podcast for precisely this reason. So when you have a friend or business relation who is considering purchasing technology you can at least provide them the link to this episode. If you can't recall all the reasons. I'm about list. Put these reasons into short and precise talking points to hopefully help convince yourself friends relatives or management to make the right choice. So let's start with number one the m one a small chip in a giant leap for your entire team. It's one seriously powerful. Chip the apple amazon on chip changes. Everything custom technology blazing fast processing and incredible power efficiency and higher efficiency for you and other users in short. It's a breakthrough for breakthroughs. And one is optimized for mac systems in which small size and power efficiency are critically important as a system on a chip and one combines numerous powerful technology into a single chip and features a unified memory architecture for dramatically improved performance and efficiency as a result and one delivers up to three point five times faster. Cpu performance up to six times faster gp performance in up to fifteen times faster machine. Learning if results are what count the m one wins gold against the competition under number two. The computing is debt. Powerful if your work is data intensive you're wasting hours on other machines. Mac book air is up to three point five times faster than before. It's supercharged by the apple amazon. Chip you can multitask across projects and spreadsheets. While you video conference and crush even the most performance heavy tasks you want professional technology to accommodate your business. Communications don't let technology lapses represent your personal or professional workplace. We have all seen it and different presentations minutes. Wasted and productivity lost number four. Mac works with it. You can set up devices from anywhere with zero touch deployment and you can manage mac at any scale with mobile device management whether your organization has ten devices or ten thousand apple fits easily into your existing infrastructure zero touch deployment allows it to configure and manage remotely and it. Ken taylor the setup process to any team. Apple business manager is a web based portal. The helps you deploy your organization's devices and easily provide access to apple services setup device enrollment and distribute apps books and software. All from one place number five. Mac works for companies with it. I have run. Small businesses and apple. Business manager isn't always necessarily needed. Mac intuitive to use an easy to manage simple setup an apples migration assistant helps you get mac up and running quickly and it's reliable hardware won't let you down so it's perfect for companies with or without dedicated. It support apple has apple care support for those times when needed number six. Mac cost less in the long run with fewer support. Tickets less software needed and higher residual value for resale the savings. Add up technology aside. How much are you paying yourself or an employee when they are idle. Because you have an inoperational computer. I see this prevalent everyday with employees getting significant wages and sit idle while they're pc is inap- or needs tech support number seven innovative companies. Run on mac. Look at the world's top innovative companies. The are likely using mex- if you and your company want to follow suit learn from the successful number eight. All the business apps run on mac too often people think they need a pc to run microsoft or google products. Nope they all run up. Fine on a mac especially one with an m one number nine security is built right in. How many of you have known people with mac security issues do their hardware. I can't recall my last one. It's always the pc's. I ended up to have to use virus software as the most secure personal computer with built in features such as hardware verified. Secure boot on. The fly encryption touch. Id and gatekeeper. If you are corporate the information can be more rigorously protected. Do programs available. Common frameworks across apps enable configuration and ongoing management of settings on a number nine mac and iphone. Most of us and our employees are already using an iphone. Put the two together and they will work seamlessly copy and paste across devices. Pick up calls anywhere. Extend your screen use your iphone to copy and paste text. You can view on the run while saving you time on the job number. Ten apple's there when you need them this. I can't stress enough from apple. Care apple retail to authorized retailers. When something is broke or there is help available wherever you are in this world pretty much you can consult with an apple rep in minutes. Try that with the competition. Use this as a challenge. I can tell you in less than five minutes. I've already started to address by technical issues. That i can't solve in when computers break a minutes away from a retailer where i can get. The process started. That just doesn't work with any used or had to work on so we've heard ten talking points now or elevator speeches when you get the time to impact a critical decision too often. Those decision making are stovepipe on their initial financial budgets alone. It's up to us the. It professionals to weigh in all the factors. I hope these help you in the future and episode. 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Fingerstyle Guitar, Online Success Part 2 of 2 (with Adam Rafferty) Ep055

Fret Buzz The Podcast

56:10 min | 2 years ago

Fingerstyle Guitar, Online Success Part 2 of 2 (with Adam Rafferty) Ep055

"Welcome back to another episode of Fret buzzed the podcast hi. I'm Aaron subject in every week together with my co host Joe mcmurray we talk the music whether that's building guitars for the past forty three years with Luthier Benneteau on episode forty seven and forty eight or talking with Dr Shawn Pursell about Jazz Guitar and Higher Education and episode thirty nine side or maybe it's basin jam bands with Randy Nicklaus or synthesizers and sampling with Paul data or if you are into Finger Style Guitar Checkout Episode Twenty Eight and twenty nine with Dustin Furlough we really don't stray away from anything here. We're pretty much all genres all instruments. We talk music so follow along subscribe if you like with that let's jump into part two with Adam. Rafferty on fretful does the podcast Maiden Guitar Mason Maiden and built in Australia but I only play one of them once back there really they play. They're really hot like they very very loud. Yeah what. What did you do that? Because did you get that guitar because that's what Tommy was playing. Tommy Emmanuel well Sorta Yeah I started with Taylor guitars my first videos of playing that Taylor fourteen I still I have I still have those and I have two of them and one of them sounds really good the other psycho Ken Taylor Taylor's like that. They're all kind of pretty good but if you're lucky you know one of them will just sound amazing but the pickups US pickups E._S. and they'll tell you know it's the best pickup in the world announced the guys it's just not happening and so I was still in New York and I went to Rudy's music which was which was kind of a of the new yeah they they only have a store now in Soho but they had one on on forty eighth street for awhile and I bought a bunch arch top guitars from him. I knew the guys there and and I know I'm thinking about getting a Mayton and the guy I can't remember his name Gordon Gordon from the Acoustic Room. He said you know there's this new company Coal Clark check them out. There are similar to maiden and maybe they'll give you. Maybe they'll give you a deal or maybe they'll do an endorsement so there were a few years I've played call Cock Guitars Co Clemens Yeah. They were pretty good but it was just that I don't even think the guy who I worked with is working for Coal Clark. I think they've had some personnel changes but there was a person in charge of like giving me <music>. A Guitar Guitar is like making guitar so like I don't Wanna I don't want anything bad about the company because like I think now guitars stellar and the people are really cool but this one particular guy I was dealing with. He just wasn't given me like a great guitar. It was always like well. We'll give you this demo model and then I'd play like there'd be a loose brace and something buzzing and be like that I need a smaller guitar dreadnought my shoulders hurting. I need like one of the little ones now we can't keep giving you guitars and I'd kind of role with them and then I got pissed. I was like dude. I'm not an eighteen year old asking daddy for graduation present. I'm on stage. Get My ass whip by Tommy Emmanuel manual like in Bangkok. He's like women me. I was like so you're going to step up to the plate and give me an axe or not and then it was like Homina Homina Homina acid. You know what just take it. It's cool. I'm I'm GonNa go by what I need so I bought the main guitars and and the guys for maintenance there the nicest guys in the world but they're hilarious. They contact me. They're like did you buy those guitars and I'm like well if you gave them to me wouldn't and you know that you had given them to me. Of course I bought them. You know I bought them and they said would you like to be a mate gnarliest. I said absolute and so I'm on their website and everything and I and I told them I said here's my deal. I said what me up with breath finding a replacement pickup for you know if something goes south on guitar just just hook it up and and I said I have to tell people the truth. If there's a situation where I'm gonNA play another guitar. I speak only the truth. It takes too much energy to not play the guitar that feels right or lie or do any of that you know Oh Jeez. I should play the guitar because the guys from the company see me and the truth it is. I know that guitar. That's my main one. That's like the tool that I've used now for ten years on stage. I know what to expect out of that guitar and it totally get my sound pretty much right away. On stage you know and it just behaves sounds good yeah humidity cracks you bring it to somebody glued up for answer all the need of Fred job. You know I mean it's got to put some work into but the guitar is it's totally cool and site. I do a similar setup on stage as many of the finger style guys. I got some pedals. Nothing fancy bitter river going to a A._R.. <unk> and I do D._I._A.. Out of the APP so that's my little monitor on stage the sound in the House I play thirty minutes. They <unk> not even thirty minutes the sound check the dial it in said we're good to go one of the main things that I found this personal I mean I do this thing where I no longer play with the phone pick. I talk about that quite a bit. 'cause I always have this feeling like I should which is totally stupid stupid because other guys can I should be able to do it but that was. That was a sticking point. It sound checks. It was so much screwing ran on and I realized I wasn't happy with what was going on here and and the minute I changed to like a nice fleshy Pau. I literally Plug Guitar. I play Motzkin Outta or isn't she. Lovely sound is there. The House will get my sound right so acoustically they are not the most awesome sounding guitars. I didn't record my last CD with it a recorded with a handmade. It's our with some nice minds but live tossing does does does the job and <hes> so when you asked me. Did Tommy saying anything I had my co Clark and I was on this Gig in Bangkok with Tommy. I mean I'm so nervous with Tommy Michael Fix Joe Robinson anyway it was it was a festival and so Tommy was in his hotel remains long gone but I was kind of hanging out with Michael Fix Joe Robinson and we were we were there. I said okay. Let's do shootout. Let's let's really here when these guitar sound like just with an APP and the maintenance at that time the maintenance to sound better plug him than than the coal clock right right there. We just tested I said okay. I'm I'm done with this now. I think it's comparable. We just had on <hes> Mark Benneteau of Benneteau guitars is on episodes is late forties episodes or Benedetto no bet manteaux but that's why Don Don Ross plays he's Canadian luthier. I got to play one of those reasonably and it was just it sounds so good so responsive compared to my. I love my Taylor but it's just not even the same. It's hardly comparable. I feel so I I have this like little conflict. It's not really a conflict right up the road for me. I I met a died. A FESTIVAL IN GERMANY TURNS OUT. He lives twelve minutes away from me. This awesome Genius Nylon String Guitar Building. I mean stuff. He builds is amazing any so he's I don't have it here. I give it back to him but I'm going to get back he he built like kind of a crossover nylon guitar cut away. Pick up and I'm going to your amazing but like I just don't play nylon string guitar and he can't understand like why is it so different you know and I'd like it's a totally different piece. I said we can weaken have a beer. We can hang. Let's let's let me help you with your website lists like his name is Daniels Kyle. He builds amazing stuff but it's just I'M DONNA NYLON string guide to they feel so we're the when you fuck the string like it's got so much more give you it just feels I feel so sloppy and the and the naked so much wider that's yeah and the thing is I if I play it for long enough. I can connex go. Wow I can really get into this warm jazzy thing then. I'm thinking it's is not enough bite for concert for the way play like I need a little bit of bite on the sound it would just be nice music but it would be too too much like cocktail hour released the way I play. I do love the sound sound a thing to classical guitar so than I do from time to time. Have you ever seen that video. There's a great video of Segovia and he like he's like talking about how it can sound unlike a cello violin depending on how you put the string where you look string in which string like Oh my God he's. What would that's how that's how you got? That's how you gotta think. It's totally how you got thank you I arrange. It's different version of that but yeah I could totally. I totally understand totally understand yeah. It's beautiful instrument sitting there. I just look getting better at it. Did you ever hear earl clue. Oh Yeah I'm very familiar with their oh clue yeah he's from Atlanta and he was done is one of the first solid jazz records ahead he planned in nylon pylon strain. Wish I grew up with wishful thinking great. I don't know if it was wishful. Thinking Something Midnight Guitar Late Night Late Night Guitar had ain't Misbehavin Solo yeah the that SORTA Kinda winning the I think that somewhere somewhere inside here in US yeah I am really curious as recently had a copyright lawyer on the show talk about while <unk> she's a trademark lawyer but we were just getting into the legalities surrounding the Internet in music and <hes> that episode should be out by the time this episode comes out that will be out but <hes> I'm interested as to what hurdles you've had to jump over in order to publish Sh- not only published on Youtube but cover songs but you know you've put out entire albums like I remember Michael. What how does that work? What are you can to separate questions albums and Youtube and there's a third one D._v._D.'s yeah laid on and there's a fourth one printing music right yeah like your website where you have none of the tabs written in but you're somehow allowed to show it on the well all screen mm-hmm? I'll explain everything I'll explain everything I don't. I don't know if I'm allowed to show them what on the screen here goes now. I'm only familiar with the laws in the states regarding CDs and Music Publishing. I'm not so familiar with how goes down in Europe and chances are if I put CDs. I'll just keep doing it. The way of John There is a website I can check it here called. I think it's called a song file song file dot com and that is was formerly formerly known as what's called the Harry Fox agency so to do cds you need to get what's called mechanical licenses and that that site song file has a lot of them not all of them but a lot of and so very often. They'll ask you if you fought. Let's say you find your your song on the song. You've done like maybe my Michael. The action record you know Billie Jean Okay and it says how long has your performance four minutes thirty four seconds how many C._D.'s you're GonNa make a thousand thousand and it does a calculation and you'd get a health. Chances are it's going to be about seventy bucks for for that that south something like that and so to do my record I remember Michael With all these Michael Jackson or Berry Gordy or the guy who wrote thrill. Who's the guy wrote thriller what's his name Rod Templeton so to do all those tunes tend to Kinda can figure this thing on science files you know pay it and you get mechanical licenses and then when you go to a C._d.? Pressing using place like decision-makers they say hey you need to you need to show us that you paid or that. You have the rights to to put a C._D.. With these songs at so you have to sort of somehow show them. I don't know what the current the thing is if you mail them the P._d._f.. Serve just check a box on in legally. If you go impress another thousand you should probably go back and pay for another another two thousand which I can't remember if I've done that. I'll get around to it if I have but you know like then if you're sort of not a Britney spears her or one of them you know few depressing thousands CDs P people are not so exact. They're not so on but that's called mechanical licenses now. I've had to go for tunes like summertime. I can't make you love me. The Chameleon by Herbie Hancock a <unk>. Maybe one other I had to Kinda go searching because they weren't on this site. Song file had to go somewhere in the launch of tune by Lonnie Smith signed to do a little digging and make sure that I paid people for the licenses so that was that now it got interesting. Okay Youtube Youtube is just I mean the way youtube was made. It was like like made to be the biggest copyright infringement platform you know like how could they just make it without the safeguards in place but they did and then most of the publishers somehow they got on board got some sort of agreement in they have their listening software so if I play tune by the Beatles sooner or later they're like little listening software will say oh you're playing attuned by the Beatles no problem. WE'RE GONNA run ads over in the Beatles are going to get thanks. I don't really need to deal with my hotel hotel. California was zapped off hotel. California is attuned. You can't do anything he thought before they took it down. I haven't honest I haven't on a secret hidden vinnie aside. I might just put it up on my website on a little blog page and put it in the title so Lisa Gets S._E._O.. And then people can come and see it but out of I don't even want to teach it on study with Adam. Because what did you learn you said cool. I WANNA put my videos on Youtube. Then everybody's screwed. It's just GONNA keep getting taken off off Youtube and so then the interesting thing was d._v._D.'s because in two thousand nine I got the permission to do the first I stevie wonder Finger Style D._v._d.. And have you seen those Joe of seen that they exist yeah so I haven't actually bought who who buys D._v._D.'s anymore. But I Made Actual D._v._D.'s little printed booklets and so to make a d._v._d.. Or some kind of standalone video with music and it you need what's called sink rights but to print the booklet you need. What's called print rights so I approached e._M._i.? At the time and this assure no problem Stephen Moore as I think they were like cool great you go ahead do it so easy and then I went to how winter was the print rights and how Leonard should cool you got the sink rights no problem unit pay us this much pass. This much paid all my stuff up front <unk> oppressive thousands of you know I'm I'm actually behind my cigarette royalty payments. That's another thing one of my many the invisible tasks of office work give a musician. I gotta do that and so I was like wow that was easy and then I did you know isn't she. Lovely and people went bonkers on that video as I said maybe I could do a second stevie wonder and so they said sure no problem uh-huh same thing. I just rolled out I did Second D._V._D.. And that was that was a really cool period of my life because it was actually way less intense work than the website now study with Adam. I just had this thing and I got a little shipping company Albany New York Ship Out D._V._D.'s people was very cool little mail order thing that I go on and I was playing my gigs tourists and then Billie Jean came along with the video and I said Oh man I love this. I'm GonNa do Michael Jackson D._V._D.. m I know what and then I said what about and I asked them several times that point they were Sony. No no Michael Jackson's real. I got some Beatles students here bills no so I got this and so now with the Michael Jackson I said well what about if I did some Jackson five songs that'll work like the tunes Berry Gordy and no because I had I'll be there and A._b.. I fleshed out with some of those Jackson five tunes and that was not really what I wanted to do I wanted I wanted do Billie Jean on a d._v._d.. Everybody wanted. I cut a sold on life hotcakes. I'm not sounding very musical right now. I'm sending more like business guy but I wanted to make that D._V._D.. And so it got tougher tougher and tougher to communicate in D._v._D.'s <unk>. This just isn't gonNA work. Maybe I'll Brazilian one must cannot girl from a few others no and so I didn't I didn't even go so far as is talking about the rights. Now what's interesting here now. This might sound arcane to everybody. Who's listening because you think d._V._D.? Everything's online now but the idea with sink writes the that. I heard this here say that this is what I heard is that you know they don't even want to deal with like a finger style guitar guy. Who's going to sell a few 35-dollar D._V._D.'s? They don't WanNa waste their time dealing with me. They WANNA be like with the next Jim Carey movie where he's dancing like a buffoon in a disco with Billie Jean playing and they're talking about like a zillion dollar deal like that's what they wanna Wanna be working on or Britney Spears covers. I Love Rock and roll by Joan Jett. Whatever you know that's those are the big things so that they didn't even get back to me on half and so now a lot of guitarist so that's the sink writes? A lot of guitarist online are making a huge mistake by printing tabs. I read everything about the you're not allowed to do. You're just not allowed to do it if you didn't compose composed the tune you can't sell your arrangement of like my tablet Shire's that go with stevie wonder tabs. They had to turn it around in such a way. They said well. You're going to fill out a W. Oh you nine. You'RE GONNA be employed by stevie wonder to write tabs. He owns them but you have the right to sell them so it had to be this twisted thing for a tall legally elite lay right you can't even though I have tabs on my computer of you know things the workshops but and here's the thing way they said the the movie companies they don't WanNa deal with small little fish plus. They're going youtube every the print companies have been so slow to get on board that they go out of their way to penalize people legally and financially essentially who are selling Tabah Cher's. That's who you have to worry about. They'll come after I've had pretty well-known finger style. Guys come to be right me an email Adam. I don't know what to do. I'm in a panic. I make my living selling tabs off my website now. The publishers told me I have to take everything down. I have to pay a penalty. I don't know what I'm going to do. I might have to go working at starbucks. I'm talking about like famous guys and they say a you must know about this. I say I didn't get an F. Business. That's dangerous business you cannot sell you can't even give them away for free. It's not it's really messed up and it's it's basically because they they just didn't get onboard. They wanted to hold out for so long and say no. We're going to insist that people pay for the the Music Book at the music store and they just were unrealistic. It's like the dudes we're in the world of like everybody can make a p._d._f.. Uploaded to sharing site and to guitar pro file like you're just holding to your arcane way of doing things so so that's different right the prince of the print rights cigarettes are video mechanical rights and basically I've taken a little bit of a gamble with my school and I maybe I shouldn't say this publicly but here goes I'll say it. I don't sell any individual instruction. I don't sell instruction to Billie Jean. I sell a membership you can come into my school and the publishers might go. Will that really doesn't hold a whole lot of water and also well if legally if I have to take Billie Jean off I'll take it off and the school can still stand and that's not a standalone thing and then the publishers I've even had some publishers. Come to me and say well you know why don't you book for a so that you can do legally and I said well actually. I don't give any tabs away from my sight so the print guys I keep them out of the conversation for sation and I'm probably too small fish to fry although it could be that it's not one hundred percent kosher. It really could be an if I think about it. Sometimes it keeps me up at night and they might not stay up there. Forever to cover tunes. Just might not stay up there for. I don't know sounds like that. You got call now in the next five hours and get your Nova go onto Adam citing no run no. I'm promoting you yeah. That sounds funny like Ac now before right yeah so so yeah. I don't know where that's all heading and I don't think accompany as big as like true fire or somebody would take a chance that I'm taking I might be doing something really stupid and honestly my plans for the future to less cover songs and more originals Kinda like how I have to do stuff. I don't know blues or or how to Solo on changes techniques I'd like to I'd like to build up a repertoire of lessons. That can't be taken away from me the so until now it's worth but it Kinda freaks me out if I five too much time alone and I started spooky myself thinking about but I'm only shown videos and we'll see we'll see I mean nobody's coming said you'd have to take those videos down. I would tell them. I'm only show people wear their fingers. I'd have to you see where discussion will go from there but I did that. Basically the whole the idea of study with Adam was on the germ of it was me not getting the rights to the Billie Jean D._v._d.. Said <hes> how people want this lesson. Can I get it out there now without giving it away on Youtube for totally free which some people just give away for free. I didn't WanNa do that. That's the that's the the best explanation of this stuff of have received how good good yeah I was really wanted. 'cause yeah every video you put up. You know it's obvious I have anybody watching like here's my sunny study sheet and I had to write in everything myself right right right sups. That was yeah. That was an idea from you know a clever clever guy who had invited me for a concert in German he says man. People want to print stuff out. Just do a blank sheet. Let them right it in Oh man who actually think it it's useful because the act of writing it I think I digest it better. Actually kind of I have my own weight of writing addicted clear to me what I'm doing. You know sometimes I'll read things a little differently than your regular tab and sometimes I like to highlight or I have the system of <hes> intangible put roots roots in squares. I'll put thirds in diamonds bits in circles and seven sin a little triangle do stuff like that to help me understand like what the met where the different cordons are in the tab because it's you know it's not as clear as trouble cliff staff in general routes. That's that's cool great yes so I that seems to work very well and by the way if if a company helped me at gunpoint said you have to take your lessons off off off our site I would either give it the whole thing for free on youtube or doing optin give less than number one away for free and then have some have the mopped in get the rest of lesson died still utilize that <hes> yeah. I have no idea where that's going. I mean it's not it's not a hundred percent kosher as I said not not to totally derail what you were saying about your roots thirds yeah it's. It's Mike it spook myself. I think about it. It's not one hundred percent in a totally right. You know it's Cadillac declaring expense design you taxes. That ain't really expenses. You know it's like you get away with it will allow the edge to edge client meals is that's one of the weirdest to me. The way declared business expense but a drink for a client or food for the client weirds man. I guess the only other question that I had is how you started and guitar. Oh have you played any other instruments or was it like do you remember getting your First Guitar Tar and how that whole like because I was looking for that on your on your website but I I didn't get any internal in terms of like how you became to be within an as you explain it on your on your website site bef versus af before fingers after yes so how did in terms of before the whole New York thing thing in you laying out how how did you get because I know there's a lot of our listeners. They're starting out and probably wondering how you got into the whole thing. In the first place. Okay my dad ad was pretty good guitar player and strumming some finger-picking and singer any of this big old Martin de Twenty and men. I've owned that guitar from time to time in the NEO was wants lots of back. It's gone back and forth <hes> and I can remember being two three year two three four years old and him opening the case in this thing just seem bigger than life because this little guy and then the St Twenty eight so the big and just the smell of would the plush blue velvet and the case and just you know him destroying that thing and the sound just hitting me and singing my dad's pretty good singer you know he's like the his he's Irish while he's not from Ireland but his grandparents were and so there's that sort of real. There's this Irish thing when Irish people saying in tune. It's got lyricism to it. That's it's just that thing you know. It's somehow it goes really goes to the heart and so he was he's about eighty nine. He's GonNa be eighty soon so he was like in the sixties assignment Garfunkel Eh Beatles a little bit of buddy holly and and it just hit me and I just said I wanNA play guitar who was just always and then I had little plastic toy guitars and you know age five live guitar lessons from great player named Woody Man. I don't know if you've heard of what he made in but if you man with two ends look them up he's on Stephan Grossman's D._v._D.'s CDs and he's like he's a Solo Blues Acoustic Guy Sang's also he he could play jazz. I think he even played clarinet et juilliard but he got really into Reverend Gerry Davis in these like old they sound like older blue skies but they were around in the in the fifties sixties and seventies but their style here you think it's from further back so it's kind of happening happening alongside the same time miles Davis John Colquhoun but Reverend Gerry Davis and guys like that and so I started with the great teaching and I learned cords to Beatles songs songs and he would bring in these little tablets of finger picking kind of blues things and I think at the time he was like learning from Reverend Gary Davis or maybe just a few years before and I loved going one of my lessons with him and I I studied with him from age five to age eleven straight. I mean every week going on the lessons and then he he was a very gentle teacher in work on a little bit of improvising show Sean Hannity Show you a major seven of course when you play the student plant major seven sort of pushing me a little bit into jazzy direction and then so that's how I started that's started started and then I kinda did a typical semi typical trajectory that a lot of guitar players do gone into rock and roll that electric guitar figured out Zeppelin stuff by ear wasn't taking lessons because I didn't really know how can anybody teach me this stuff anyways picking Solos off records jamming with my friends and then did that for a couple of years and then comes Geez. You know this is kinda going nowhere. Ah I got somewhere but now it's going nowhere again so I went for some classical guitar lessons and that was the rudest awakening that had to be. I mean from going with any kind of hand position. You want to teach you're putting putting you in the right position and having to read music. Oh my God that was like going to the dentist without anesthesia. You know it was just horrible but I wanted to do it and I love my classical. Guitar teacher really loved that Guy and I did that night. I went to a got into music college. I was never a great classical guitarist. I've learned a lot from it. I got some sort of concept in hand position position and I did one year suny purchase which was the name of the College State University of New York in the classical guitar department and it was just a bad it was just a dad fifth breath like it was so clicky and I just didn't get along with the teacher and some of the guys there were really talented classical guys and I was like this blues rock funk something heading heading to jazz kinda guy who was doing classical guitar but like I enjoyed classical guitar in this sort of little bubble like wow I really liked listening to John Williams play off but for me to do at twenty four seven was right and then I quit and I kim composition major and then life took a total left turn my best friend and I accidentally formed a hip hop group. I was a rapper. I quit playing guitar for a few years because I was totally confused. What happened was we're in a band rehearsal? We were goofing on wrapping. He was beat boxing. I was goofing on wrapping before you know everybody's playing everybody. Else's instruments goofing around and the got a little pop band in college and bandleader later said you guys sound awesome. Why don't you get really get one tune together and do it on the GIG? We're like really at so we did it and what happens it. It was like something from a movie everybody loves US and is just not really into the band and the chicks in the attention and it was the whole talk man of you heard these guys and it caught fire it just it caught fire one to institute to to charge a three and then we quit the band hired all the guys back because they weren't enough musicians at school. Only we were in charge and that went on for a couple of years and so like now when I do the beat boxing in the stage stuff that was kind of informed from all those experiences and that was a wild experience. I mean that we did we did a lot of crazy stuff. We did a lot of crazy shows and crazy areas in the main it was it was is right around the same time that the Beastie boys came out but we were we were live and my friend is a killer drummer in we we had abandoned Zeus cool. Was that your fulltime job no I I was in college. I was about a team eighteen nineteen eighteen nineteen years old for that period and I was really inbetween having a weird inbetween phase with guitar which oddly enough I'm kind of feeling like I'm a little strange limbo. Oh now similar like not sure what's coming next so and then so I had this was this Dr Jekyll Mister High. I had this thing and I was getting lots of showered with attention. The girls girls loved it and it was cool. We've record and have a good time. It was his thing that was running in the musician. Meeting was just dying for some real music. I shouldn't say real music dine for some musical melody in Klang and county jails and that's what I found my teacher Mike Longo who ended up being like the super heavyweight teacher of my life a lot of which I'm trying to teach the concepts to to you guys on site and at one point he he he put it to me said man. I don't have enough time for people who were full of crap man. You gotta decide like either. You're playing jazz and that's your thing or get lost because he wanted you wanted to put the fire in a man so I quit the band with my friend and it was terrible divorced best friend and he is a great house music band now. They're they're doing great. They too are all over the place and if if worlds collide properly take my telly out I play Rhythm Guitar with them incognito. You know very cool yeah yeah. It's fun just slip into my like Nile Rodgers kind of kind of thing. I don't really put that on my schedule but that's SORTA I get to connect with him and do something a little different <hes> which is crazy 'cause. We're both New York guys but now that I'm here he'll sing and I have a gig in Hamburg. Can you make it's like cou ever thought you know your friend from when you're a teenager you're GONNA be meeting in Europe somewhere so yeah. That's that the the past it's this I would say I I have very much this pendulum swing between a more show Biz kind of thing and then a yearning for deep musical thing and I'm kind of swing and back towards wanting a deep deep musical thing but unfortunately show Biz stuff works with the audience the Beatles Medley works superstition works. You know it functions you get the people and if you go man I'm going to improvise some obscure jazz thing. It's like spinal tap at the at the at the great adventure whether play jazz no one's listening unites also but yet started with my dad playing guitar cool very cool. Thank you yeah that's awesome <unk> so many people have have such a similar story about go in rock warning something a bit more whether whether it's challenging or more formal and they go either jazz classical in then you intend people tend to swing back. You know where I'm at two I still make time to play to practice jazz specifically but I I need all the different types of music yeah and I realized I I don't listen to enough enough music. That's we thing because I just get so. I have spotify fired up enough. I get so overwhelmed with all the ads on Youtube. I don't Wanna see everything I don't WanNa look in the river mirrored and see stuff. I've looked look. I want to find some stuff that I I must listen to more music because I'm always happier when it was music always much happier ones because if I just get into my lessons and hearing myself practice all the time. It gets pretty dingy does I I use a listening guide with my students and everybody has to listen to it kind of on a whim what I picked but I'll base it on student seem to have liked. It didn't I'll try to guide them in that direction in cool boundaries but I try to make all my students listen in the same way a lot of times. They'll like you heard this and I'm like never heard it but already down listen at home added to the added the list if I like it in the idols I look at the ultrasound jazz fest in New Orleans in <hes> end of April and I just like I'm still going through the schedule all the people that didn't see in the people I saw and I just go and listen to some songs if it's something in my like excellent excellent physicality Oh yeah it's so easy to get you just type it in. You know whatever your music player is or Youtube and you can meeting here. We're going to go see snarky puppy next the and a couple of weeks. They're they're planning nearby and my girlfriend's. She's not a professional musician but she's like inner balance. She's musician. She plays piano <unk> good and and I said come on to a check these guys out you know like good alive. Show and just go bananas. We're GONNA check and there's a couple <unk> big outdoor festivals here nearby. I got to see deep purple years ago. Steve Morris plans great. I got to see Stang last summer grip. You know these the Professional Uber Professional Season Season Rock Guys Stang Paul McCartney that level the purple what they're so great when you see them live there just so great win. See them live. They really you know they're not. They're not famous for no reason you know just staying singing perfectly into and now that I never really thought about it you watch him singing. These police songs with these toll crazy reggae baselines go. He had to practice that the spirits in the material world that that verse impotent Peduto like that any singing right over the top of the smoothie self now down there and songs one after another great songs. I never thought I was sustained thing I mean. I was like one song after us. Yeah I really want to see rush of been that was that was the first live concert ever went to a fifteen years old awesome APPs cool. We'll we'll eardrums to Phil's and Tom Sawyer Mark. Have you seen that the new documentary that's out on Netflix about rush but I saw a previous one where Neil was talking a lot. What about his wife and kids dying? Maybe that's now on Netflix. I saw that same one. He does talk about that yeah yeah I got. I've been listening to rush like all week because of that because I've had to watch it. I've watched like fifteen minutes while eight and a bit they'd be talking about certain period in their career and I'd like okay I gotta go listen to this eighty stuff that have never heard from Rushton Day somehow. I didn't even realize that existed. They were killed and coping is my girlfriend. She really likes interesting music. You know I can play a to like Y Z for her and she'll just like rock out to it. You know seven eight Bam Bam Bam Bam. She'll go bananas. She'll go totally bananas like <unk> Nice Yeah. They were great. They were absolutely great. Yeah they were absolutely gate. Definitely needs a bucket list other cool while you're not going to see him anymore. They're done they're done. They're never gonNA come back now. Never come back neal's done neal is done of change some day touring hard work man yeah you know when when I'm home it's like a plane on the ground. When I'm on tour it's like the plane is at cruising altitude but always getting up to cruising out the to its toll change of of lifestyle you you know it's it's an I've never of course toured on the level of somebody like Russians hard work time zones everything logistics? How do you do practice lot? While you're touring demanding music. I mean you can't really got to be very a on top of it to be able to go out and perform so it's not like plan rhythm guitars something or even general you can kind of fudge the it's not as precise as low as well. You know something in my play in changed over the last couple years I I sorta got this mental picture if I do practice a lot when I'm on tour because I want to be first of all I have the downtime. I'm alone. I could practice on the train. It's quiet practice in the hotel. Mike Mike Guitars now guitar and I know that my number one job is to be onstage that night into a great show. There's nothing else like email is secondary everything else a second my number one job. Is that whereas when I'm home there's like we're doing podcast now. You might have this you modern fatter <unk>. There can be several things going on so when when I'm on tour that that's a big difference mental that I've gotTA kill it on on stage so there's food different orientation then I several years that I played finger style. I felt like I had to practice practice for hours and hours and hours to get my chops up and and get everything cook in writing in to get everything to Hook up in. I sort of said to myself. I said you know this. I can't sustain sustain this way of play. It's it's not sustainable. I WanNa be like old like a drummer or a bass player who can just pick up their instrument and play. I don't WanNa be like the guitar player who has to get his chops nearly cooking before he plays you know what I mean. <hes> absolute like a drummer. Could you say man cool. Let's plan. He just starts playing and I said I want my playing to be more like that and so I had to Kinda change some things around technically so that I would find the most reliable angles and ways of the arrangement and muting of strings so now my concert concert repertoire the stuff that I played a lot over and over and over again and I recently had to Kinda. I always have to be on top of superstition like what's what's happening with that one <hes> particularly when there's base runs because if you're not using any picture fingernails you it can be very thumping you need the clarity and that's that's tricky but you don't want to tighten up when you when you play but I I don't want it to be that I have to practice on teen hours a day to be able to play. I I struggle with that now. I feel like I have a show tomorrow with a jazz duo and like I need to run every song at least in the week leading up to it gets a lot of work when that's one of the shows I'm doing and I had two totally different. Sets the past few days or yeah you differ next week. It's I feel like I'm just but I feel like I'm going to get over that Hump like I've gotten over that hunt with a lot of my older repertoire finger style and newer jazz repertoire I still have to that's just a question of doing it enough silly. I WANNA make sure remember the changes. That's that's a question of doing enough. Just has to be saved so you're not thinking about it and then it's in your body if I if I go to play jazz standard like all the things you are. It's it's in the cells of my body. I'm not thinking muscle memory. Yeah Yeah Yeah Cool. Just don't have that. That's not my upbringing. I was picked guy. I didn't he to picking until recently me two years me too. I mean I did classical but I mean I play. I didn't play anything when my fingers and I was only doing flat pack I did. I did hybrid picking a lot but jazz standards but now it's like on the Acoustic Guitar as soon as they use the pick. It sounds horrible like it's tanny sounding compared no right especially when I'm in like play Angelina from timing like that's one of the few plot you know pick songs ADO acoustically <unk> like I have to like rework my entire E. Q. on my Gordon everything. I know I know he that's why when I was saying stop playing with the thumb pick I just started going with the fingers because I get the sound. It might not have the bite in the excitement but I I don't have that that sounded God. You just have to find a way that works for you. I mean it sounds so cliche you know but all I can say as a tried other people solutions in just doesn't work. It just doesn't work. He got it because you're wired. Were all wired with this lifetime of experiences and influences. That's it's a unique combination. You'll never arrive at the same conclusion somebody else now. Do I mean some drummer solvent stick like this. I don't know what they do like this. Thing in other guys are like this and find what works for you. Must you Neil pert you do both style it was I did a Gig with a group the other day. I'm trying to get a little bluesy Bogu band off the ground I don't. I don't know if it's GonNa get off the ground last week and after years I mean years of picking where I held the pick like this. It didn't feel right. I started holding it like this. George Benson Patent Athena curled up in the other no idea why that it feels right now. It's weird you know because I guess it's informed by the finger style like I'm like I hear the truth now with a clean guitar sound. I'm not trying to cover it up. I'm not trying to roll the trouble off. What is the truth of of what's happened reoriented me? I don't know if that makes any sense meaning. What's really happening with the sound here when the pick hitting strandings yeah I mean Tommy he can get the warmest softest sound from trump tip? You can strub. He has such control with that tool and best concert is when you're hanging with the backstage and he's just running tunes one after the other three feet away from it's warm it's punchy it's lawless. It's it's it's like classical guitar go. He's got his hands inside. How's he doing? These are Patios like so. Oh clear this fast finish just genius that stuff. He's a thank you very much out him. That's it's been apologize thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. That's just cool. I hope I hope people hang with conversations yeah. This has been wonderful and I've I've been watching your videos for like towers our so like it's funny to actually be talking to you. I feel like I have talked to you excellent X.. We're one of the on a plug your website again. Yes certainly <hes> out of RAFFERTY DOT COM. That's like sort of log and you know every musician has their their website and people can go there and download all kinds of free goodies and you'll see when you go to the front page. I don't do a whole lot of like Oh. I'm so great and I'm on tour I just I just want people to grab the little free blue savage around uh-huh if they go to the lessons page there's all kinds of stuff there three three except they gotta give me email address right right and then studied without him is site where I have the many more videos where you're you're on a joke where you can learn gene and all these tunes step-by-step and students can upload videos to me and I give a personal video review once a month which is a lot a lot of work but I really try to make a real teaching site not only a net flicks styled so there's a netflix portion but then there's a real communication portion where I get to see students play right so that study with Adam dot com and there's a free trial. There was excellent l. on the PODCAST podcast. It's just the finger style it's.

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Argo With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

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Argo With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

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Not available in every state american family. Mutual insurance company as operating companies is six thousand. American parkway madison wisconsin. Where around surrounded by the ringer dot com as well as the ringer podcast network. We are now in the to hundreds with the watchable 's chris. This is what i do. I get people out. Argos next embassy has been seized six hostages. Got out and let me make a fake movie. You need a script. Producer is my into tehran. We all fly out together as a film crew. You have seventy two hours to get them out. This is what i do. And i've never left anyone beyond overtime. Herbert argo radar stocks. October twelve chris ryan here. Is bill. simmons. This is a movie argo that we covered pretty extensively grantland in two thousand twelve. Yeah it was one of the real first grantland movies right. Yeah we had We launched in june two thousand an eleven so we missed the oscars that year And then two thousand twelve kind of our first oscars and then two thousand thirteen was like our first real oscars we had fantasy. Was there some point. We had the great sack. Barron was frightened for us. He wrote our view. You had wesley. Writing are two thousand thirteen oscars because we had hired him by that point and we were all in. We're doing podcast that the category ahead expanded a few years earlier. People really cared about the stuff. There was this whole generation of People who kind of knew the history of things and oscar snubs and stuff like that and this movie it checked all the boxes people loved it. It was an old school. Hollywood movie got nominated for best picture and then affect didn't get nominated for best director and it turned out to be the best thing for the movie because All of a sudden the narrative became about that. And it sneaks in wins. Best picture which i think will will litigate in a little bit but i think about this to me. This was the affect comeback being complete. Frying the dog days of jaylo and easily and rock bottom in the house. We're back yeah. We're back we he has. His comeback is now complete. Because he's it's true because it was jaylo but he directed gone baby. Gone good stuff good. First director effort. is in state of plays in the company man. He started his try to reestablish shut. Then the town happens which we've already done one of the best rewatch we've done. He directed starred great movie then directs argo and it wins best picture and he goes up. He gives a speech. He becomes a sympathetic figure. He has gone girl with venture The year and a half later but this this was complete where he's a real filmmaker now. This was like these weren't too fluke. Movies these were three whealy well-crafted movies including argo which has the legacy of the nineteen seventy s. All these great movies. We grew up with like paramedics view. And all those And what's weird as he hasn't really directed anything. Great sense right. Did you think after this. Didn't you feel like we're going to get an affect directed movie. Every two three four years felt like he was like an a-list director and he only did one after this and it was. What was that one called live by night live by a day. That's it hasn't drafted sense. It's kind of a bummer. Well it's tough man. I mean so. I was gonna say you wanted to ask you if you thought that argo winning. Best picture is why. It hasn't shown up earlier in the rewatch ables. Because i feel like winning. Best picture. Actually kind of dimmed. It's it's it's rewatch ability even though it's a compulsively watchable movie and it was talked about as much because he when you get those oscar movies typically talked so much about them for six or eight months and you're just constantly pitting them against another movie and you're talking about it's the argo or django or silver linings playbook or the master or whatever and then you're like i'm fucking done with it i don't want to talk about this movie for three years or four years and i almost feel like argo is way closer to ocean's eleven than it is the master. You know what i mean. It's way more fun to talk about argo and watch argo over and over again and catch it on. Hbo or cinemax or whatever. Then it is as as a piece of art or is like a like kind of critical football that you would talk about as far as athletes directing career. I mean obviously some personal stuff right. Yeah and then. I just look man. They just don't make those movies anymore. They just don't they don't make movies like that. And clooney is tried over and over again and often failed with the kind of movies. He wants to direct. And i just think probably affleck wants to keep directing movies. He's gonna probably wanna make them for a streamer. You talk about the reliability of argo. Why we haven't done this yet. It's funny reminds me spotlight which we did For some reason you and i we we just. We talked about spotlight more. I think 'cause there's it had a really good netflix run. That's why great netflix bennett. Also there was the all the president's men piece of it and journalism taking a bigger importance than the mid two thousand ten's and then it had the ruffalo speech which was one of the original categories for acting. They knew robbie cut those kids loose the catholic church and it was just an argo. I i hadn't watched it for a couple of years. And then it was on the hbo cinemax rotation and i got sucked in that watched it and then i watched it again. Two weeks later. I watched like the last hour of it and that was when i texted you and mike argo. Yeah it's it's kind of bruin now. And i kind of forgotten how great it is. It really is like we have the access to all these great movies from the seventies redford's in a lot of them but there's this whole era that we've talked about before ito as the nixon presidency in this whole distrust washington and it just leads to some great art at least to some really really awesome movies. That from like seventy to seventy nine. There's like twelve fifteen of them and there are different forms right. There's invasion of the body. Snatchers they do they go that route. Three days of the condor condor. That's the easy route. But then like even like capricorn. One where it's like. Did we fake the moon landing. It's all about this trust. Which is the error. Now argo is a throwback to those. It's a movie that it set in nineteen seventy nine and feels like it could have been made in nineteen eighty one. Yeah he he did a lot of stuff with film filmmaking. That was very consciously. Trying to like ape. Gordon willis photography from those seventies. He talks about all. The stuff in. Argo is supposed to look like killing of a chinese bookie the cavities movies. Athlete newish shit. It's funny that you talk about the distrust thing though because the heroes of this movie are a cia agent. You know what i mean like re distrust like in all those seventies peril like paradox view. Three days of the condor type movies the enemy. The bad guy is the government. The bad guy is is the intelligence services an argo. It's like the ingenuity and genius of this guy. Who even though you know his own government is tripping them up in different places like at the last second trying to pull a fast one and take away the plane tickets. Tony is still. I'm going to do this. I'm going to get these guys out but we can also get into the historical accuracy of argo. And whether that's that. There's some issues there. Wesley morris writing for the boston globe because he was net grantland yet and he wrote view and he said Quote two thousand. Twelve africa's the first actor since warren beatty is generation starts to make a persuasive case for himself as an honest to goodness. Hollywood filmmaker That's why i mentioned the ethics stuff at the top. Like he became famous again girl and then batman happens and his you know he's buried. He's got kids but he is completed. This incredible hollywood comeback. And at some time at some point. You kinda lose your way a little bit. And i think he lost his way a little bit with this filmmakers side. Because i know as i talked about i've obviously have interacted with them at times but in that. Oh eight to two thousand twelve range. It was like somebody going back to ground zero rocky rocky. Three of like. I've got to go back to what got me in this business. I love movies. I want to start making them. I wanna start telling stories. And then he just became too famous again. And i think we've seen that happen with some people. I it didn't stop warren beatty. He's still directed movies and kept making them I really hope he makes another one. I would love to see another movie. I mean he was originally going to direct the batman movie that he was going to star collapse. Well he he's in. He's in batman versus superman. Which we don't have to talk about. But then he was going to make his own batman movie which i think was probably the carrot dangled in front of him also like he might just be a guy look. Damon does the same thing. We're demons made four born movies and affleck was was off making these batman movies and maybe he convinced himself he was gonna get to execute his creative vision as like the director of batman. But i it's a shame because like i do think that warren beatty is a perfect comparison. Where he just has a popular sensibility. But like a real filmmakers. I and the cool thing about the town and argo is his performances. In those movies are much different than the person he was in armageddon and boiler room and shit like that like he is completely turn down and turned off that part of his movie star part and has gotten into just being like. I'm gonna let jeremy renner or alan arkin be the most sensational part of this movie. Yeah and one of the reasons. I love argo a. k. You know i think affects like us. He's he grew up watching these movies. And this is to lot of those movies which i think why like it so much And why it's so much fun to watch. Because it takes you back to this time ironically the seventies and there's an element of like it's just suspenseful the whole time and there's parts that shouldn't even really be suspenseful but there's always this this music in the background. You always feel like you just like you need a shower. After the movie ends you know every single piece of it is gripped because scoop metairie smoked seventy four cigarettes in to have i have well. It's they give us the he does the opening credits which are great. And it sets up the shah and why what. This whole event was like three minutes really done well and then we're right there storming the embassy. There's there's no fucking around. We don't have. Like the scene of tony mendez at his sons literally game and his wife being mean to him. Like we're we're in we're in nineteen seventy nine. The embassy is about to get stormed. And we're off and now we gotta get. We gotta save these people. And i just feel like a lot of lot of the movies now. Fuck that up. They've gotta go bigger. This movie's two and a half hours in the wrong hands. And for setting up these backstories. we're getting. We're getting more canadian embassy scenes with the six where they're having dinner near like you know my dad. My dad loved baseball i would. I wouldn't give to go to yankee stadium tomorrow. Think those kind of dumb scenes and it's like fuck it no. This movie has one objective. These people need to get home. We're getting them home. And they're in an unsafe place. And if we don't get home. They're going to be decapitated in front of ten thousand people right and i think that the other thing that this movie does is that if you if you do if you take all the The people working in the embassy and you spend a ton of time on their baxter in. How did these two meet. They love each other and they wanna have kids but these to have or whatever then. You don't actually have enough time to do. Aflac does which is essentially make three separate movies. He's got the washington. Dc spy movie titus well ver- and kyle chandler and bryan cranston and christmas. Sina that's one ensemble. Danny has the hollywood movie which is obviously demonstrably. The best part of the movie. Alan arkin and john goodman and then. He's got the tehran movie. Which is the movie with clear. Divall and scoot mcnairy and tate donovan. He's got three hole ensembles in the movie and most people wouldn't be able to fit that because they would be spending so much time with character building or whatever but he's just like story story story story story. Everything is in service of this story at. It's only until the very end when he spielberg's out and ends the movie like five times that he loses like hold of the of the of the whole plot yet. Ironically that's the worst part of this movie is that it has four endings. Yeah is that. I think he feels the need. He's gotta go. See taylor schilling at at the house and the hugger in front of the american flag. That's like we got it man you one. I would've cut that. Yeah that was that was it. My notes So advocates robbed. It's the first movie in twenty three years to win the oscar for best picture without being nominated for best director. The one previously was driving mistake. Easy which of course should not have won. But the i think was the betting favorite going into this. It was oscars. Yeah this is a funny oscars. Because it's the seth mcfarland oscars so this is like. I think this is one of those like we're going to try something different. Everybody was like. Oh jesus yeah. I think what it was the first winner since grand hotel. Nineteen thirty two to not have been nominated for best director or lead acting category so it was eighty one years since that happened and the category was bigger and we could go through an hourly quickly. We have a more Not a comedy. Beasts of the southern wild django unchained llamas. rob lay. yeah les miserables. Yeah in pie. Yeah linkin silver. Linings playbook zero dark thirty right goodyear goodyear nice nice mix of movies and i think it was also an oscars year where everybody decided. Who's going to win the oscar. Five different times during the air remember. I got lincoln's winning every day when they first started coming like the early reviews zero dark thirty came out. People were like this is going to be. This is going director in picture. And then like jan jan goes in so now might be actually might be silver lining playbook steal it. It's it's it's a hollywood type of movie ultimately argo though it had two things going three things going for it had the snub. it had Just an old school. Hollywood movie that was kind of movie. Everybody grew up with the loved that and then the third piece was on the inside. Hollywood jokes like literally world. Hollywood saves a bunch of people's lives so it has that inside baseball stuff but best director was angrily life of pi one. The guy from amore beasts of southern wild spielberg for lincoln david a russell for silver linings. Playbook probably getting ready to southern wild. I yeah i mean. I could probably packing paul thomas. Anderson got robbed here too for master will master. Didn't get nominated best picture either. Yeah so weird. Year there was snubs. There was a terrible stuff happening. Left for best supporting actor. Alan arkin got nominated for argo did not win christopher walt christoph watson but that was a lotta category two that had him arken deniro. Philp super hoffman. And tommy lee jones. I've heard of all those people. Yeah that was an awesome category. Pretty good stuff All right so athlete gets involved with this movie late. Initially it's george clooney thing. It's a two thousand seven wired article by joshua bearman. It's called the great escape and clooney's company wins the bidding war for kuni is i'm gonna write and direct them to be tony mendez. And at some point he starts making other movies. I think he made the descendants. The script the exists does like sorority. Does syria somewhere around there. Which is essentially like a very tony mendez part right and now he's like Will hold on so. The script is out there by chris. Terio it ends up on the blacklist. And i think two thousand ten and then And then finally africa's involved and And and they start making it. The irony of clooney wanting terrain directed is. This is exactly the type of movie. He made star direct. This is the ultimate george. Clooney had he not make this he. I think his directing has been pretty bad for the most part like considering he's gotten a lotta swings at it and i just don't think he's been a good director. But this movie him. Starring at the tony mendez. Part would have been perfect for him right. Yes we play in the ad a site guy. Maybe a little less charming but a little like sneaky china solves stuff and And you know if he couldn't have directed this movie at a high level we would known once and for all that he wasn't a good director. Yeah it's tough. Miriam the mendez part. The way athletic plays it. Which i'm sure we'll talk about is interesting because the way athlete does it. You can kind of see why he would be ignored in in the in that building like you have to basically play a guy who is down on his luck but not in like a lovable way like he is actually just being ignored by his bosses. He's probably out to sea professionally. It's kind of hard sometimes. Clooney is an overwhelming charm. Guy like yeah. That'd be hard to believe that would not get picked first in class. Act in office kind of thing. You know what i mean like people would be like lt with. Tony wants to do so. Yeah i think they did something really cool with his performance in this movie. Yea i you just identified the biggest problem with clooney as an as a major act. There is he's always george clooney. Yeah it's tough to see him like it would have been harder mendez. It's danny ocean. He's he's going to get these guys out and when he veers away from that it's usually like apart like the descendants where he's still. It's beaten down. George clooney but it's always george clooney turn denzel who's usually some version of denzel on a movie. But he. he can also throw curveballs and he could be linked this year and flight like plays a an alcoholic commercial airline flight pilot. Who pulls off this crazy move and his plane. We get drunk denzel in that movie we get in. He got game. He's like incarcerated pissed off the world ends out like he could. He figured out variations of himself. That that that i don't think clooney ever did. Yeah that's good. That's a good way to go. He's also one of the greatest actors. We're rats bear the but i think you're right with affleck would so interesting about him as an actor. We talked about him as a director but as an actor he's been able to play like the gong gongora guy he's been able to play the character actor goodwill hunting. Like the guys. Fuck up bass whole buddy guy and he can kind of lose himself in this argo part and some of the criticism with him and argo as it was too muted. Didn't to be a big enough star in it. But i actually think he played it pretty well. He's only got like two flashy scenes pretty much in this movie. Like there's when he's at the conference table and they're presenting bikes or they're like maybe we'll try and get them out as farmers or teachers and he's like you're going to have to follow them for three hundred miles with a with a tire. Patch kit with a bike pump. Yeah and there's at cnn. There's pretty much like when he first meets all the the people from the embassy and is like people. Like i'm kevin harkins out other than that. All of the flashy stuff in this movie are is either arkan goodman scoot mcnairy or like tile chandler they get all music music and soundtrack. Yeah yeah affect. Didn't write himself the scene where he's screaming on the phone to Bryan cranston. you better get these ticket plane tickets for me or i'm going to have six heads. That bodies attached to them right. The only thing he says like i'm responsible that's it. That's like the most mute think it's such a day if that's another actor. Maybe they're like no. I want to be like i'm responsible. You know like it's it's that instinct. Probably help that. He was directing it. He knew what the movie needed. It helped that he came up with one of the weirdest hairdo beard things. It really didn't seem like athletic. After a while. you kind of forget. It was affect key. Plays like he's the backup third baseman for the eighty one pirates. He's like hanging out with ten at night right. yeah he did. He looks like he's right. Out of that seventy nine to eighty one range in a way that I just don't think a lot of actors like cl-. I don't see clooney with that hairdo. I think he's just not doing it like baseball cards from that era. And you would like a rated rookie and you'd be like isn't this guy like look like he's fifty one. I like just got called up by the mariners that twitter account which is great super seventy sports. Yeah i have that one book park. Then he's that's one of his wheelhouse things some of the the hair moustache afro stuff. That was going on back then and they really know that so This movie up getting seven. Nominations at won for best picture. Best adapted screenplay and best film editing and Forty four point five million dollar budget two hundred thirty two point three million bucks with no chance of a sequel. You know. I forgot to mention this. Because i'm older than you and i think it's really important piece to this one of the reasons. I liked this movie so much. Is the iran hostage crisis. I think was the biggest thing of my entire childhood. Probably that and we beat the russians in the olympics in nineteen eighty. I think those were the two defining things that happened when i was like. I don't know eighty nine h. Tange eleven that rain at that. The lead the news every night for year. Yeah it was. It was massive that it's what led to nightline that was date thirty It's led to the gas. The gas prices got off fucked up so that became a whole thing and it was the first time i can remember as a little kid feeling like. Oh it's not all safe here. It's not like we had stuff like we had a huge blizzard massachusetts in nineteen seventy eight and it was. I think shut down for three weeks but they. You always felt safe. At least you were kind of growing up in that post vietnam era. We're thinking about that. Yeah i was thinking about like. I was in jeopardy and the the hostage crisis and it's like wait so they took our people and we're not getting back in this. You know at the time thinking this crazy ayatollah khameini. He's got the scary beard. Like is he gonna blow us up. And why can't we get these guys back and it tied into i was i was a big policy. History guy in college. And i love the carter. Presidency was so fascinating to me. Like i really do think as heart was in the right place but he was just the wrong president at the wrong time he had terrible people around him and this hostage crisis became the death of him. He couldn't figure out how to get people back and we felt like we felt powerless. David conflicts of his tenure is. My heart was in the right place talking. Simmons wouldn't stop ragging on me. Got david finished. Just been three years later but But i'm glad this movie exists because even you see throughout the thing like this was the most important thing going on for a year. Do you remember any of this stuff that they show in the movie which is like the tension in america about it like the with like people kind of showing up on the news and be like. Let's go to war and stuff like that. 'cause that's like right around like like cold war stuff is really starting to truly get ramped up like it's not raking yet but it it it is like i think that there is obviously like a bit of nationalism developing so i do remember some of this because my mom i was somehow mentioned how my parents got separated but my parents were separated in my. My mom's best friend was living with us in boston. This is nine hundred eighty and She started dating this guy who they met at some club or something but he might. Rain starts dating. Mom's best friend starts dating this guy. Who's iranian okay who she dated for two years. Who pretended he wasn't iranian because it was so dangerous to be iranian. Wow in In america so he pretended he was i. Forget what it was like El salvadorian or something and because it was like if i tell somebody iran my radio i'm gonna get jumped when i go to my car But that's the that was the level animosity and It was the first time it was the first time i remember like real anger from a international situation obviously kept happenings after that but but it was the dominant story. So it's cool that the movie exists. And i think like there was real tension that they were gonna kill these people and they were you know they're going to show it on television you know and we we'd have to have like blurred out what are like who knew it was going in the wrong way so but i i was curious whether or not because in the movie we understand. Obviously the whole movie is about these six people who get out of the embassy and get to the get outta the us embassy and get to the canadian embassy. The canadian bathrooms residents. But when did you guys become aware that there were these people outside of the hostages. Who were like not until after it was over. Eight or yeah. I don't remember. I was too young. I don't remember the the argo six. I don't remember that piece. I remember when the hostages got out how long it was and it was so long that you kinda forgot they were there but it's if people are interested in this obviously will get into whether or not they. They obviously like based on a true story based does a lot of work in that for this. it's some based. There's a if if you're if you found this interesting there's tons of really cool stuff to read about it. Like i was reading this morning about the botched rescue attempt that carter had with helicopters and one of the helicopters explodes in the desert. Did you oh yeah about that. I had no idea about that. There's also some good movies that come after the hostage crisis that are kind of tied to the paranoia of just the middle east being a threat of stuff with like the cia being incompetent stuff without. But you had like. There's that movie missing. Here's that movie falcon and the snowman. There is like this three year. Run of movies like that these thrillers. That were kinda felt newsy for one reason even like a movie. It's different than what we're talking about but like movie like silkwood There was a lot of like this was fucked up. Here's a story about it now. They would be documentaries. I feel like yeah for the most part But yeah it's weird because the hostage crisis hadn't gotten it's right movie but But you think of the munich. Nineteen seventy the olympics. That whole thing. Dan that was you know over and over again documentaries. Anniversaries their movies about and That kept going but the the hostage crisis. Nobody really figured out till this movie. Rotten tomatoes ninety six percent. Just had to mention that because this is kind of a modern movie most interesting thing for us. Roger ebert four stars. Yeah said argo the real movie about the movies. Both spellbinding and surprisingly funny chose it as the best film of the year in. Here's why that's important. That was the last time he did that. Because you had in two thousand thirteen so this was. His last film of the year are relaxed. Best movie of the year. yeah Check out the cisco and hebrew podcast by the way. We're gonna take a break and we did the categories. Today's episode is brought to you by blue moon full flavored refreshing notes. Unlike in either beer carefully crafted for a one of a kind appearance and flavor brewed with valencia orange peel for subtle sweetness and bright citrus aroma. The best way to heighten interest room and taste is with an orange slice preferably outdoors. I've been outdoors a lot lately. It's been really really nice. Been at the beach. 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I think it's so many small little things like the guy picks up the dartboard. That has komeini. i picture on it and he just. He's so mad. He's just like what the fox and he's the guy who's commanding the marines. He's like i'm gonna go out and reason with them and then he's just like open. He gets immediately kidnapped and all the stuff that people saying about like. If you shoot one of them were this will be world war three. We can't shoot anybody. Will we will all die. Old fucking shoot anybody. You don't want to be the son of a big start. A war in an hour to burn the classified. I need you to hold if you shoot one person. They're going to kill every single one of us in here they also do really affect is a really good job. The screenplay does really good job and the performance. Do a great job of like in that moment you learn everything you need to know about each of the hostages or not hostages. But the people who are going to be on the run like tate donovan. Kind of leading them but is sort of also like an airhead scoot. Bad locker room guy. Immediate an immediate. Like kind of questioning clemson coach Clear divall like ca. Carry bish like everybody. Kinda does exactly what they're going to do for the rest of the movie in that opening moment there's so many good little things like even when they go into that one ladies room who gets captured in the guy just takes her glasses off. Yeah glasses count like oh man just be overtaken by glasses but and they're trying to destroy the actually reminded me of when things were going really bad with me and espn near the end there. When we had our one hour evacuation plan at the offices of birth computers. Burn all the files. But we didn't take me at seven in the morning on twitter so we're able to execute it was able to destroy your last trade value anyway. Amazing seven minutes. Seeing the next one is mendez. Goes in beats. Everybody shoots down every rescue plan. What we like for bicycles or you could just send in training wheels and meet them at the border with gatorade. Three hundred miles turkish border. They need to support team following the tire pump. We were just asked to sharp shoot. This date is handling. The who is. Tony's an ville bashing got a lot. The shaw's people out after the ball sir. If these people can read or add pretty soon they're going to figure out they're six short of a full deck. It's winter can't afford to wait until spring so it's nice to take a bike ride. The only way out of that city is the airport. You build new cover identities. It's i'd say it reminded me of when chuck kostroman menus to come to grant land and we would pitch ideas and he would just shoot down each one of them. Calmly tony mendez that now. That won't wear no. Somebody did that eight years ago. No and just like all the way through but That's the most smarmy kind of wise asi. Africa is in the movie where he so. He's so tired of these guys this movie like when he's like x. files are like abortions. You don't want to need one when you do you. Don't do it yourself. You're like you're basically you just like this guy. Come on clear out for athletic. I tell ben not to use that as a high school yearbook quote when maybe don't put that one and that seems really good. There's also a lot of people in that scene. There's that guy. Oh that guy. And titus oliver's vanek. Yeah next one. I'm combining the goodman and affleck goodman listening to the plan talking about how they would do this movie crew thing goodman slide said then that are your associate producer pets. They'll cover stores around a movie that doesn't exist. You need a script you need. A producer mcmahon producer. You're an associate producer. Best hits such a good good Under the radar day but then they go and they meet arkan and arkansas just immediately. He's basically playing out in arkan- yeah minutes lifetime achievement award muzzle rather stay home and count the wrinkles on my dog's balls in just just rip it off. It's like that it's so funny. He got nominated for this because he basically got nominated to play out arkan. Yeah yeah at that age. That's what great job by him But i like that combo. The movie as soon as good in arkan- show up. It's just ya but eleven little comedy you get. Everything's outdoors in the sun. Are you including him. Going to richard kind to get to buy the script in this. That's why seen actually arkan buys the scripture bitch cod for ten k. Couple of weeks ago senior trader. Vic's owes enjoying a tie with my ow. Warren beatty comes in. It wishes me well. We had a little chat. Seems he was attached to star in zulu empire which is gonna anchor at mgm slate but warren confided. In me that the big gone over budget because the zulu extras want to unionize. They may be cannibals. But then what health and dental so the movie's kaput. Which means that the mgm deal ain't gonna happen and your script ain't worth the buffalo. She had on a nickel. So the way it looks to me through the cataracts. I grant you is that you can either sign here and take ten thousand dollars for your toilet paper script or you can go fuck yourself with all due respect. Good stuff on the way read. That i got a short but mendez goes to meet the canadian six. This is what i do. Yeah i get people out and leading to. That's also a great scoop moment or he's like that man out there has bad cards man out. There has got bad cards and he is going to lose if he loses. Its our lives his like to they go out for the scout mission which is awesome the bizarre so surrounded by everybody. Everybody's so angry I got that three more the It's quick but affect prepping everyone for the airport trip so good affect their shoot him. He's an american. What's your job. The movie producer associate producer was last movie produced hotline dry paid for them. Cfd's middle name. What's your middle name. What's your middle name. The shoot him. He's america's by heart tough love. Coaching coaching is kind of gone out of style. You know this. I'm including this even though it's like a minute long but it's just so impressive that he got zapped to give them a when the levee breaks. I just can't believe so. Did you see their little tidbit about that. Which is let's do it now. I hadn't guide do it now. They got he got zeppelin to give him the the. Let them use the music but the way he shot it was when the levee breaks is on the beginning of the side of a record and zeppelin was like you can use the song but it has to be accurate when the levee breaks is like the second to last song on that side of that album has to be closer to which he was fired up to do. I think they would narrative podcast about people trying to get led zeppelin songs in their movies because it seems like every one of them. There's a story like the famous has time right. I think there's way more of them where they'd never would let anybody have music. But almost famous they wanted stairway to heaven and they ultimately couldn't get the rights. 'cause led zeppelin sided. And that really feeling this one but you can have tangerine the couple others. But there's this eight and a half minute deleted scene where where William is playing stirred heaven for his mom that tried to teach her about rock music and the daughter's boyfriend sitting next to him and starts getting into the song and it's incredible. It probably doesn't belong in the movie but it's incredible but They're just really picky so when the levee breaks just hearing that in a in a movie was cool but the way they use it as the night before They're about to really try to get out. And but meanwhile things are falling apart back home. Yeah it's just really. It's the perfect song. And the invicta garbage like destroy. Destroy their passports. It's best if you just don't show up tomorrow right. You got the made creeping up next thing. Is the last minute airport tickets. When the tickets aren't ready at cranston just run around we got. We got great little Going back and forth stuff affect just doing the would you mind. Check again please. And then we get into the. What was the purpose of your trip. And i it's just basically the last twenty minutes before we get to the five innings. Yeah the until they say we're happy to announce that we can serve alcohol. Because we've cleared iranian airspace. That like that whole section is just so celebration montage. Yeah so. I got two more along those. The explaining to angry birds guy the premise of the movie. Where there is just like guys i got this. I clear out pupyong miquelon who shohei avenue. I'm going to really go for it. These forty five seconds. Beer guy calls arkan and goodman then we get that attention and then the The finally finally take off. We get one of my favorite things. Chris ryan the celebration celebration course. Our pleasure to announce that alcoholic beverages are now appealing lesbian clear The martian also has a great one. Yeah the celebration. Montages are some of my favorites but they do a nice job that we get to go to like six. Different places was people celebrating. I watching this last night. We've talked to a couple of times on watchable about celebration montages. Does this celebration. Montage have the entire spectrum of possible celebrations from. Oh interesting cranston dry crying. Who giving the. I misjudged you handshake. Yeah straight up like sports. Celebrations from messina prematurely celebrates and then gets decelerate again like every single person doing like a little dance. Yeah and then the married couple kind of like just complete relief though celebration. Hit off of it What's the most watchable for you. I'm i'm going to still go with the presentation of all the different escapes like i. I really like a bunch of the stuff that's in rambo-like like when affleck is just like when christmas is just like that that that's a black kid. That's an african kid where they show him the poster like it's just an amazing like assortment of actors. It's really well written. I love that scene. I like from the moment there in the airport to the celebration montage and that was how i ended up starting to watch this movie over and over again because they kept catching ads like. Oh they're going to the airport. All right yeah okay. what sage. The best goodman arkan yes. Start the category south to fight just great. Sometimes the casting is just a fifteen ten you. They wouldn't filmmakers are like yeah you know like once. We cast the roles everything else was. It was like five percent more to do. That's it like once you get the right people to be in the movie. It's not that much. There's not that much more to do and you wonder about how many movies you see where you're like off. They just kept it a little bit better because this is so perfectly cast but those guys and they could have gotten any number of kind of older warmly received beloved characters but they get arkin goodman and they're so fucking good. Well what's interesting is they. Don't they don't really use any star power on the canadian six right. They almost went for and they show at the end in the closing credits. They went for people that really kind of looked like the six people. Yeah and none of those actors were famous in any real way. So they used the star power an african american and on and on you know goodman and then all the government people but great casting goodman you know he's had a really strange. Tv movie career. He's been in a lot of stinkers. He's been in a lot of really good movies like it's he has one of the strangest. Imdb's i think you'll ever look at where he's like babe ruth in work a lot. Yes likes to work a lot of those guys that make two movies a year. they're going to hit some. this is too. He's making like four. Yeah he's in flight this year. He's like yeah like he does a bunch of movies a year and he's still on the frigging roseanne's bit off. He's at his best when he's in the drama where he can provide a little comedic. Respite is usually his wheelhouse More would sage the best athletes hair just continues to kill me. I hope it comes back. The all the inside hollywood jokes. Yeah then they seek to your way about the ayatollah try the wgn almost like the germ behind it. I like the concept of the intelligence star. The award that you win that. There's no ceremony foreign. You have to give it back. I was thinking about doing that for the ringer chris. I'd like to present you. The podcast star two thousand twenty. You can't that. Don't tell anyone it's top secret but you've let it away. I'm just going to start doing that with all onto my good huge part for a cousin of the what stage the best intelligence star affleck breaks out the will hunting. Oh he fucking dated he went. Go see about a girl face when chuck is on the on the porch and he does that kind of wistful. oh he he laughed and he does that kinda smile off the side of his mouth. Broke it back out for the intelligence dr gray days we should. We do that again with for solo. Doubt that we're the to hunting. Yeah really. I think. I think we have to More would say about the iran location. I don't i couldn't really totally find out where they filmed all these saints. Definitely some of it was in iran but But i think they might have cheated with some stuff but man is it. Feels like we're in nineteen a good job cutting together the footage. They're shooting with news footage. So that that's another thing that i think. He does very well as connects with cutting ted koppel or cutting to news footage of of afghanistan of of of of toronto or whatever. I'm not sure where they shot it with. Morocco's usually the stand in for a lot of of this region. But i don't know where this Another would say the best is the decision to make the day the escape just way more tents and there's a lot of you can go on the internet if you love this movie or you wanna find out more. There's a lot of think pieces written about the making of this movie decisions made with it and over and over again that theme of those pieces are they. Hollywood it up the day that it was actually really easy for them to leave their. I figure we can get into this without getting overly involved in the death of osama bin laden but like really good contrast to argo is Zero dark thirty. They're both really good movies in their own ways but like argo. I think very much relied on like this is based on a true story and affleck to his credit was relatively upfront where he was like look like i took liberties it is yes. It's true but i definitely made tried to tell a very effective story. I think it's obviously tough if somebody comes out of that movie and that's what happened. There was this guy and there was like a moment at the bazaar where like they almost got jumped. And then like there is you know the revolutionary guard chasing their plane and stuff like that. That didn't happen. That's that's obvious but like they zero dark thirty. Which i think did actually report to be more of a documentary. You know what i mean. That was sort of where they got into trouble was when they were like. This is how it happened and people really wait a second like. Where did you get your information in any case like i. I have very little use for movies. That are based on a true story. I i never watch a movie looking for history. I'm looking for a good story if it's a good story about something that happened. It only encourages. It should just encourage you to read more about it. But yeah i i understand the criticisms though. I mean it's pretty blatant and places we've done this has been a recurring theme in over two hundred hundred. Watch ables that we've done in. Some of them of the based on a true story about light was probably about as faithful as any movie. We've done And even that one twisted some stuff around emerged some characters and things like that. There's just stuff you have to do. spoiler alert. This was going to come up later. But out arquette's character doesn't actually exist in real life. it was a couple of characters. They merged together When you see based on a true story at the beginning of a movie just assume it's based on a true story. Yeah we haven't done jfk at. We're doing later this year. Jfk is the ultimate based on a true story. It's like sure it was a president got murdered. It had that in common other than that. He's just he's just cooking from them for not oliver stone. Right so yeah. Don't don't trust movies. I guess were trying to say great. Opening credit sequence mentioned that the soundtrack They have little. Tna couples on acid wings. A couple of songs. I think came out like waiting. I think is too late but once again. What the hell away when the levee breaks but just four bangers. I've never been i. I've never been precious about where second that's on came out. November fourth nineteen seventy nine and mendez was in their july. Like you know. I remember My friend jase inherited. The last dance was fanatical about the music choices depending on the year. And my thing is if you're gonna go on and do it awesome like. That's you should do it that way but if first movie like this if you're off by ear who's somebody scoring at home right. Oh so it's a swing out of it immediately. Thought it was eighty to my god. My last what's age. The best was scoot mcnairy. Yes i do. You want to do this now. Well i mean so. Scoot is probably like i. I was going to save this for some of the leader categories but scoots just incredible in this movie. He's like there. There aren't very many like there's the guy who's going around to different houses being like have you seen these people but there isn't like a straight up like foil to affleck except for scoot like he has to basically be the person who's like i don't believe you can pull this off. He does it so well. I just wonder the my question is at. What point are you just scoot. You gotta shut the fuck up. You know what. I mean like when he's just like we're gonna die here. We're gonna get lucky killed. We're just like i need you to go with the pro-career scoot mcnairy better worse or same career that he should have had. 'cause i'm going with worse. I like him more than the career said. He's like one of my favorite actors so i don't know if i'm the right person to add about this why i'm asking you so i just think you have to accept the fact that he's a character actor like he's not going to be spider man. I think where where we missed with him was he. I think he could have been the lead that i kind of know who he is. But i didn't totally see him as lead. Until i was watching this. Tv show that he became the lead of. And then it's like. Wow all right. This is terr- here's a parallel. And i'm not saying he's as good of an actor's person. Because i didn't this other person is better but gandolfini. We had a history of gandolfini before the sopranos came out when he's the lead of the sopranos and it was like. Wow that guy's going to be the lead of a tv show. That's crazy right. But i also love james gandolfini. It's like you know. He had a couple of the alzheimer nineties. Dion waiters performance. Sure sure romance is. Like i would say a top five dion waiters performance. Ever what he had to work with. So i wasn't like shocked when he became a phenomenon. Tony soprano because it is like we. You know yeah you could see it. It's surprising that he's a leading mad. But guys an amazing actor. I don't think scoop mcnair. Is that good but i do feel like he could have had like tony soprano tape role where he could have moved into the vortex in a real way instead. He's on the fringes lot of good supporting stuff. Yeah i'll be curious to see. What are you. Because i think he's going to be more of the next season of narcos where he's like. I think he'll be more of the the star of that will be cool to see him in that role like he's he's done a lot of good stuff though like he was good intruder detective. Yeah yeah he has i. Here's my theory. I think his name kills them a little bit. Yeah i don't know. I want to think of his name. I agree with you but if his name was franklin area. I wonder if there's careers better. It's like a little close to skied. alridge it just. I don't know i. I love scooping there though. And this is probably my favorite scoop. Mcferrin movie any other with sage best for you. Yeah i mean we talked about the seventies political thriller vibe. That's like yet and we. We talked about where he crypt his Filmmaking and talked a little bit about just the miracle of the fact that they've got three basically but to full ensembles in this movie of like if you were like hey. This movie stars titus well over and elko ovonic and kyle chandler. You're gonna go see that but it also starts scoot mcnairy tate. Donovan cleared volume. Like oh shit. Like i'll go see there's fifteen good people in this movie we're gonna take a break and come back with what ceja worst all right. What's age worse. Asa had this would stage the best ben affleck's hair. It's just so terrible. It's it's really thinking we're thinking wig there. Eight yeah yeah. I don't think a normal human being grown like that another wage worse. When i saw this movie in the theater i thought it was see thomas how instead of scoot mcnairy for the first like twenty minutes wasn't positive i was thinking. Did they see thomas. Sowell of which irish vindamme looks so much with their All right there's a there's some what age where stuff with the there's some pretty not-so-veiled racism with the with the iranians where it's just like every every iranian character in this movie is just completely angry and screaming and dick view of this. Yeah yeah we only really have the housekeepers. The only one who seems like they have any sort of conscience. There was also in very early. Whitewashing controversy with With affleck because mendez. I think was half mexican right and people are upset that affect grabbed the part but Social media wasn't in the in the way it is now our like this. My blessing again. He was like pretty cool. Like ben affleck. Please me but twenty one. I still feel like people. Oh the worst thing ever we mentioned. Lester siegel is not a real person. Argos also been criticized as we're talking about what stage the worse for minimizing the role of the canadian embassy in the rescue for falsely showing americans were turned away by the new zealand embassy in the british embassy and by exaggerating. Basically everything that happens the day of the plane chase and the big thing if you take away anything from all the reading if you ever want to do it is just candidate basically gets completely overlooked. Do they're doing the last dance. And it would be ten parts about scotty. Pippin basically de jordan's canada is in that and then candidate gets luke long lead in this but date mcclain's wrote quote the movie rights history at canada's expense The guy taylor played by What's our guys name from alias. And everything he's supposedly the real hair. Tony mendez was only in iran for a day and a half affleck. Here's his quote. I struggled with this long and hard because it casts britain and new zealand away. That is not totally fair. But i was setting up a situation where you needed to get a sense that these six people were to go. That doesn't mean to diminish anyone. He's talking about britain new zealand. The ken taylor. The canadian guy people are more mad about that. Jimmy carter weighed in. Carter says ninety percent of the contribution to the ideas and the concentration of the plane was canadian. Yeah the movie gives almost full credit to the american. Cia without exception. The movies very good. But ben affects character in the film was only iran day and a half and the main hair. My opinion was ken. Taylor canadian ambassador. I mean there's little things like carter didn't like pull the plug when they were in tehran. He like momentarily pulled the plane tickets. Before f the mendez character even got to iran. I guess so. Like there's just little things like that. And taylor got awarded the congressional gold medal by president ronald reagan in nineteen anyone in this in this movie. He's it's just cool. Victor garber gets a couple of scenes. We don't really Don't really bang home The ken taylor thing. What else age for anything. Other than salt swing night. I was gonna say yeah that that's just unacceptable if knopfler is gonna make a song you gotta. You gotta be accurate with the year. I was also going to say just the spielberg endings. Like where you're just like. How great movie where we first. We're going cranston okay. Okay cranston okay. We're done we're into the movie. And then he goes to his house and then there's like five title cards. It just feels that you didn't want to let this one go the with the or the estranged wife with the flag hug in reading the son to the directors out there. We're good with watching the parent read to their son in their bedroom. Were just get you could. Just they could have just ended it with scoot mcnairy shaken afflicts hand on the plane. Yeah you and the celebration montage. That could've been in closing credits. Were good 'cause we haven't really established about tony. Mendez is personal life anyway. He likes likes the sauce. Who does. I'll just tell you this. They won't have the the reading the kid before he goes to bed stuff anymore. Because now you just throw ipad at your kid. That's right you'd be like. Hey you go to bed soon. Casting whatevs really nothing except i couldn't find anything either. Best that guy aka. Joey pants award First of all this is an all star team. Victor garber do people know his victor garber. I think they know him. I mean he's i think he's been on. Tv shows. he's been on alias. he's in sicario. Like i think he's i think he's like baby a classic that guy but many people do know him as garber. I'm really him out. Because i do feel like he's to me. He's victor garber. What about is. Bob gotten too big for that is shashank food down. Oh his bob gun. Okay worry cochran. Yeah my dazed and confused to the most stone guy in that movie which is really saying something. He's got the long hair and he is now though. Kind of goofy guy with the mustache is off. I don't know if he qualifies 'cause he looks so different. You don't even realize where cochran i think for the people of our generation. He's definitely like we've known he's cochran. Yeah so zelko. Ovonic is in this too. He's too big lakers season at twenty four eight. He's twenty four is has a great run on and then he's the guy from from school ties. That's right that's right. He's evil evil teacher guide. They'd take they steal his car so the winner is christopher. Denham is mark. Mark is one of the six. You've seen him. He goes onto billions with our friend. Koppelman and levin He's the guy who he's kind of like the wolf and billions. He's the guy who comes in to fixed To fix stuff. And he's just one of those guys. And i never knew his name until i researched it. His name is christopher denham okay. I think he's our winning. You could that. Christopher no i only from watch like new. Because i've seen him in a couple of indie movies. I was the only other person for. This is rishard kind. Who's the guy who they by. Richard kind though. I think people know this. Yeah the vincent hanna. Give me all you got to work for overacting. You tell your people to call the white house your fucking job bryan cranston. Just it was like he knew that this was a category died years later. He just goes for it. I know you call her house. Spirit is going jack. You went this. Am i really that close. He's him closely. Not gonna leave him at the airport with six people and his dick in his hand. You tell the director to call the white house new. Your fucking chop unbelievable thousand twenty. The judd dawson a word for person. Who's in a different movie. I guess affects wife. She's in a different. She's in americans diaper. She's in orange is the new black. She's the the star of that movie if that show she definitely is like. I'm not letting this go by without getting like a long close up at a 'cause i've got out of this entire movie. Yeah i am really going to study your face. Tony mendez deanne waiters. Were so are we saying goodman arkan and bryan. Cranston are eligible for dan waiters. Because i felt they should be there in the movie. Less than fifteen minutes right. I will allow it. But i also have other candidates the argo six not eligible. No there too much movie there and have their into which movie titus well overs. eligible cow chandler also eligible. Although it's not the greatest coach their former saw so he puts on a ton of weight. I don't know if that was makeup. Or what cranston goodman arkan. Who else do you have Philip baker hall on credited cameo of just like are you. Are you sure this is the the best bad idea that we have like. Yeah and ali saw is the guy who's going around being like. Have you seen these people and making everybody like piece together. The printouts of their pictures. I like the british secret service officer. A lot guy gets the one seen in turkey. Richard dillane but it's obviously going to be probably arkansas goodman. I think arkan well. I don't know what do you think well arkan got nominated for an oscar down. Can you get a dion. if you're also getting an off. I think we i think we break the rule her. I think it goes to both of them. Okay can't pick their their to their team in this. They have to be together. I think we've done that a couple of times in the past re-casting couch. I'm proud of this idea. Like i'm going to be able to talk you into it. I think matt damon. Casey affleck and cole hauser all could have been in the in the argo six. Okay i i don't care if they look exactly like these people do at the passports in the closing credits. I think christopher denham easily you could asleep. Casey affleck in that spot. Yeah cole. Hauser put goofy moustache on him. That guy doesn't really say that much anyway. Just have them do a little wild eyed and then we throw damon in there but we somehow keep scoot mcnairy in the way the two ladies and we're good to stop here bill. Why not go walberg and dicaprio fuck it departed cast in the goodwill hunting true minimum. Casey affleck should have been snuck into this movie. Just just slid it as well. I want it on your name. Why you're resisting for rewatch ables. Yeah it's too dark. are you with me on that. Recasting catcher no. Yes i am. That's very fun. I mean what the hell would not have fast internet research. According to tony mendez studio six. The phony production company was so convincing that after it folded twenty six trips scripts were delivered to the address including one from steven spielberg. That's how well they did. Two thousand sixteen vice did some research based on the freedom of information act found that the cia was involved in the production of argo injured. Thirty as well this one. I was shocked by bootleg. Dvd's in iran. Yeah we're so pop. A several hundred thousand bootleg copies of this movie and it became really one of the highest kind of watched movies in the country. And people think it's a combo of like It's the most realistic. Like i hate. Watch but it's also like a curiosity thing. Yeah yeah combined with like kind of a silent protest a little bit. There's a bunch of reasons Carter only delayed the authorization by thirty minutes. It was well before mendez left for europe so they really bent some stuff around there They got after your boy. Jimmy the chase sequence never happened. We mentioned the led zeppelin thing affected the thing where the six actors he asked them to dress in character with their stuff on for a week and just terrific chemistry. Yeah so he did that thing. And then The character jack kirby who made the story was the was like a pioneer in the comic industry. Which i don't yeah. He's one of the enough about regarding a mountain way. I got one more. I got hurt. Half isn't a research if you read the original article. Do you know where this the studio six offices were. No suntec our what the apart. Michael douglas's vacated china syndrome article Offices is that in the courtyard. I don't know. Jesus mazing steph need to find out more about this All right we're going to take one more break. And then we do apex apex. Mountain athletic wins. The oscar also becomes a sympathetic figure which was even better than not getting nominated Pulls it off. The comeback is complete is about to fincher movie. When is he ever had more juice. I'm gonna say us. And then he gets batman off the back of all that so he basically goes on. You're like oh that's a good movie to town huge blockbuster movie He builds off of that wins. Oscar like the world's at his feet here and then he does a french movie off of a bestseller so yeah totally but if x amount in for athletic scoot mcnairy. Yeah i would probably say so. I say as well alan arkin now little sunshine. What are we doing that one. I haven't watched that since it was like an oscar movie. That's in good. Example of a movie wins an oscar. And you're like okay. I don't observe. I'm never gonna watch that again producer craig. Little miss sunshine. Where do you see another movie. I've only seen once. But i remember really like i think that's like the perfect independent movie. I might like it more than most people. I think that movie is so fucking funny. And i don't know that's everything i want from a movie. That probably cost like seven hundred twenty thousand dollars to make or whatever they did John goodman know movies are tv shows about the iran hostage crisis. I'm going to say yes. Yeah has there been any others now. probably not The other five people not scoot mcnairy and the argo. Six say yes. yeah. Tate donovan apex. Mountains probably friends right now. Tate donovan so say season one of the. Oh see we didn't it wasn't he dating aniston a certain point and like on friends will he dated aniston and change your bullet back to back now. It's as jimmy cooper. Julia was here right now. She'd slap you across the face very upset. Any other apex bound. no i. They affect the morning. I wanted to was. I was most ms most important to get across. Oh cranston breaking bad but you could argue breaking bad's about to break bad as gaining viewers each year. It's headed toward it season. Finale which was in. i think two thousand thirteen. Pray this is when everybody's catching up on turn around. He's on establishing himself as a movie actor. I actually think it is. Because i think breaking bad's at the point now where everybody knows how great it is because we're going underground faculty seasons. Yeah yeah i think it is going. Yes the cia. Did ever get better coming off killing jfk fifteen years ago. Great comeback for them. That's true dads rough moments there. In the vietnam war they started a war and killed our president but they didn't actually do anything in this situation like they didn't fuck it up. Said somebody is this the about for x. files russell crowe and proof of life kane a would it be weird if we did the re- proof of life the reprieve and just watched it stuff alleged. Who else does exiles craig. What's the next phil i don't know. Do you know what it stands for. No exploration exfiltrated rather infiltrate yeah x. files. Yeah technically. they're doing an exfiltration they're supposed to be x. Filling people in predator. Obviously they get sidetracked. I remember in two thousand fifteen. We had tiresome ex-felons to get people at espn was tough ladder. Meetings had to create a fake movie. Picking nets here. We've mentioned all the plot stuff. The real tony mendez was five foot seven and apparently not a superhero. And they're saying like not only was affect to handsome but also the fact that he was six foot four would have been just a red flag across the board for people in in. Yeah they would have been like with. Bill walton doing her. Yeah so they he just would have been on the radar immediately. I think also There's i have some swiss air questions like whether or not they have to turn around at all or whether that guy should have noticed all the cars coming at them. It's just that there's some questions lira couldn't they have radio the plane and said stop the fucking plane which didn't happen anyway but yeah of course right when the cars are growing behind them they'll take notice the cars wouldn't they shot at the plane. I guess he doesn't have side view mirror. Well they don't want to start an international incident. They want these guys back. They just want the the six back right. Yep and then I think this is the right spot to do it. The stuff with the housekeeper Do you feel like it's tacked on either needed more or less because at the end she goes over iraq and i guess i'm supposed to say thank god. She held the fort for these people. But it feels like there's a scene cut. I don't have enough. They come together and she basically or they come to find out. People are there and she basically covers up for them right and then she's i think that you're supposed to leave that iraq seen being like for a lot of people. This did not work out. You know for. Try to. But i needed her. I needed a better reason for her to cover up for everybody so i needed like a scene before they come to find out if the people are there were. She likes to show her kind of interaction with the canadian connection with the six. Pray like they invited to sit down. They ask questions anything. Even if it's two minutes where. I'm like oh now i get it right. Well i guess that's the whole point of the movie is that it's pretty. It's pretty forward momentum. They don't stop a lot because the first time you watch a you don't even know who that is. Uh-huh doesn't it's not really That actually actually voices the opening credits sequence with the presentation about the history of ran and the other depicts. We've covered all the rest of them. Yeah i have one. I think is you you call it a possibly unanswerable question. But i wanted to pitch you. This is this movie better. In retrospect if it treats the x. fill the wake. goodfellas treats though of tana heist. Where basically you don't see it so everything about the x. Ville is dc and we get way more hollywood stuff but you never get into the faking. A bunch of out yet like faking car chases and and like the threat. That wasn't there but you have all of the political wrangling. And then all the hollywood stuff like if we could do it again. Would you make it that way and not have it be historically inaccurate. The way it is now. I like the historically inaccurate. Not enough people. Take advantage of like the trick. Goodfellas plays where you just. Don't see the highest. I think we would have seen the highest if it was an expensive to do the highest like maybe dennis thieves you shouldn't have shown heist you know. I just want to spend more time if any harder with he. Would you want to the ten minute bank robbery scene. Because i still want it. It's yeah they'll signing up for that. Eight nitpick is just i feel like nightline should have been more important they it should have been on in the background and complaints. It's more of a ticker yeah. I would thrown in the Seventy nine baseball all star game which was of game somebody at least being like. Wow did you see that day. Parker through that was from right field cheeses. What a can that guy has all right. Here's a really important question next category. Could this be remade as ten episode netflix. Show because the movie won the oscar. It's tough to say no no. It would have been better off as a netflix show. But it actually would have been an amazing netflix. Show if we had all the actors we have in this. We just had more time to spend. I still vote for a movie. But i think it would have been a really good netflix. Show would you still have the The embassy takeover happened in like the first or would you have that happen at the end of the first. That's like that's episode like two or three okay. Yeah we're we're we're we're embedded with these people as they start to get more and more concerned that something might happen to me. It's like it's like a homeland season. I would love to just no. There's definitely moments like even that bit. Where call chandler's like disguise planting flags on his long every day that their hostages and when he gets when he runs out of flags. Ted kennedy is gonna win the primary. Like i would have loved to have a whole episode about the political the political storyline behind everything and like carter running re they could have gotten a lot of carter stuff even jordan like that kind of really worked. Yeah i bet. We'll say i wouldn't be surprised if we saw in the next ten years because it's such a great story Probably answerable questions. Is this movie better of george. Clooney is tony mendez. Just answering now not no. It's not i think. Athletes is this movie better. If it's casey affleck as tony mendez. Casey affleck is like it. Especially in two thousand twelve did not seem old enough to pull off this guy all right so we think ben affleck is. Would it be better. What would what. About mendez's damon damon mendez. Now i i. I don't think damon could have now. Let's see it. There's like the. Who's tony mendez. Now if they're making this in twenty. Twenty one i don't mean depends on whether or not they're going to adhere to like. Oh yeah trying to make a background I think they would at this point any other unanswerable questions for you like do you think who do you think you would be like. What would your vibe. So are you scoot. Are you immediately questioning everything and smoking a lot. Are you tate donovan. Maybe listen too much zeppelin drinking a little too much scotch are you. Are you clear. Divall watching out for what other people are doing. The big thing for me would be like. Why didn't you use your real name right away. How come you were hearkens right. You're supposed to have alleged if you're a spy you can't. You're not supposed to what's going on here. Why should we trust you. I would have been. Could you tell me about some of your other missions. Give me the three successes. Can we just go. Backwards stare classified. I can't tell you about that. If david kahn shows up here to save your mba franchise come with me because you can you tell me some other stuff he did. I've transactions. yeah. I ran a team in two thousand five. I was a sports writer. You're like wait a second. you can't run my team. I probably would have. I would have been more like. Hey tell me more about yourself. I would have been trying to get more information. Do you think that you could learn a new identity in thirty hours. So i thought about this because i would. I don't know how you would handle. But i would have crammed everything the night before the next three days. Yeah i would. I would have waited to like one o'clock all right. I gotta fucking learn my thing now all right. So what else are you doing where you want fucking mlb when the levee breaks just over and over again. You're smoking that all-star game maybe watch some highlights. Sure maybe drafts happening. Trying to figure out what the celtics did. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie. Scoots glasses alarcon's gold roll royce rosaries. Yeah it's pretty. It's the most seventies. It's just out of control. I can't it's like out of charlie's angels or eighty twenty shows that i watched in nineteen seventy nine. It's perfect. I'd pick that it's also expensive car but yeah we're going go and cheaper would be fun to have like the argo script. The original arts storyboards. It'd be cool. You could frame of the storyboards on with sat who on the movie. So obviously like affleck. Catholic wins the movie. Would you make the argument. For arkan- i think affect wins the movie. Okay but i think he directed in stars in the movie. He won the movie. Do people what what does the cutoff for. People with alan arkin i think calling him in. The rate of steam is like people under thirty five. Don't get it like what. What most people like craig's age. Probably if they know and they know from this and loma sunshine but i have to admit like i'm not like an alan arkin historian. Personally i know him from those two movies okay. See can i give you a little movie called the in las. That's where i know. That's i think Late seventies comedy that became like a real legitimate cult comedy in a lot of different ways. And that's that's when he was on the radar. But you're right like you go through his. I am to be in the eighties. And it's kind of all over the place He's one of those guys that later in his career it to who he was little miss sunshine bought him this extra like eight years of this incredible old guy comic stuff. That was really great. But now he's on like kaminsky method right or yes yeah no. He's still has his performance. A little miss sunshine is in alzheimer for that. I can't believe this is like the this. Like i thought you would be like cr. We gotta do like twenty one bridges. I can't believe little miss sunshine is coming coming for the r- washable gold. You'd want to do and bridges. I would do. I would twenty one episodes of twenty-one bridges. I need it i. I'll i'll watch that a couple more times that twenty-one bridges is such a remarkable it's fugger chattering created to be a re watchable. Yes dentist thieves. They also tried but then they made a couple of mistakes but twenty one. Bridges is just absolutely like like afterburners on dion waiters performance. From taylor kitsch. Oh yeah oh yeah all right. I have fucked winning it well. That's it argo. it's classic right now. It is on amazon prime it was. Hbo max run all of the sudden. It moved over to see how those hbo max or netflix runs. Just like will unlock a movie for you. Yeah especially the really smart promoing. The the right ones in the race spots. They know what they're doing. They're like hey we have the town and fucking whip it out and they just drive it on the table. I come get some town for the next thirty days here. We go all right. That's it for the it was produced by our guy. Craig hornbeck We'll be back next week. Thanks to chris. Ryan and We'll see next thing.

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The tale of two edtech IPOs

Equity

28:35 min | 3 months ago

The tale of two edtech IPOs

"Hello and welcome back to equity tech wrenches. Venture capital focused. Podcast unpack those numbers behind all those headlines. My name is alex wilhelm. I am non-charged today. Natasha is because we are talking about ed tech. And ipo's i'm here to talk numbers tasha here and talk all about ed tech that tasha. There's been issues in the space. There's been big news of china. Ed tech news at china. Oh my gosh. i'm blown over. Talk me through it. I do feel like even though it's my it's like a perfect combination of our to love languages. Which is public markets and education. And so it's honestly fitting that we're doing this together and we're just going to be knocking out today this week. The biggest thing to wake up to on monday was hearing that. China is cracking down on tutoring startups in the country. Alison oh you wrote a piece about it Wars moved the restrictions. That caught your eye when you first saw the latest regulations that rolled out. just so. This kind got rumored last. Friday is how i think about it and so there was fear in the market about what might happen and then over the weekend it all came true and then some it was one of those like the rumor was not as bad as the news. The other way around the gist is the chinese communist party. And various regulatory bodies of that government decided that the especially the tutoring focused part of the ed tech world in china wasn't doing what it wanted i think is a reasonable way to say that and so there's a lot of new restrictions and rules around these companies if you are a company. That's offering tutoring services in china. You're going to have to become a nonprofit. And as everyone out there knows startups often lose money and other therefore tobacco nonprofits. But it's not the goal. The goal is we mentioned you. Burn money where you're growing totally fine. Et cetera but to be forced into a nonprofit stance long-term is not good for companies. That wanted to go public and provide good returns on the ipo. Point tutoring companies in china. Now cannot be built that you can't start new ones and you can't go public and you can't raise foreign capital and there's a couple of other restrictions as well about length of lesson and giving children i break so they don't have poor eyesight. It's really a holistic change to an enormous market in china. I mean tasha. China's been the market for for years. Ever since i started covering it it's actually been pretty well to see when tech. I flew up in the us in the beginning of the pandemic last year every investor. I spoke to cited china as proof of what. Us would look like eventually and the proof was parent in their child's education. And the chinese government now reacting the way it did was actually the way it's been framed. Is that the chinese government wanted the digital divide and the inequality and who can pay for what services to lessen those kind of like the framing and we definitely already you're seeing. Us at tech investors. React i talked to a couple of my favorites. If i'm allowed to say that on how the chinese regulations are impacting their investments and the t. l. Dr is that we are pausing slash. Didn't engage with that for a long time for this reason so splitting it into two camps than i read this piece that you put together it was actually not to be overly kind to someone on the show but it was good. Yeah i was a little surprised that people were not more freaked out. I think that's the camp of people who are not engaging the chinese market in general and the other folks are saying they're going to pause but to me given the scope of regulatory changes given how ed tech stocks have been impacted showing broader investor sentiment about this change in china. It feels like the end of days for four profit at deck and china. And i was surprised there wasn't more investors willing to own up to reality in your piece that makes sense. Yeah i have two bits before we. We'll move onto a more positive aspect of the show but one was learn capital which is has has taken vip or vip kid. I always forget. Which is the correct pronunciation vip. Good for it's hey let's go with up. They didn't respond to comment. And i do think that part of that is that they are probably the at tech fund that has the most exposure to chinese startups so noteworthy there. Number two is yeah. People are kind of taking a break on china and all energy is going towards india so gmc ventures has made a commitment to putting a lot of money towards indian at tech startups. And that's next fund. Deborah causo the managing partner. There said that like half of gnv's next. We'll probably go to india attack and that's a big statement when they're first fund had only one international investment. The indian market has been on a tear. I mean to be clear. Not the only country seeing outside is kind of boom. Investment candidate has been doing very well africa as a continent had really amazing kind of cunanan q. Two so india's a gross story but to see half of a fund goto one countries one vertical. That's aggressive. But i mean it's there's a lot of folks so i'll take it mercedes-benz who is an investor at light speed pointed out. The chinese market is crumbling. While the us tech ipo market is on fire this week especially which brings us to the topic of today's show. Which is these to attack. Ipo's that literally priced on the same day. We had dual and go a consumer at tech company that helps with language learning and power school which sells software services to k. Through twelve schools. They both listed on the nasdaq this morning. And we'll walk through the numbers. Alex which one you wanna start with. I definitely do dueling first. Because it's the one that i know the best and therefore all sound the least stupid so so dueling was privately valued at two point four billion before it founded us wanna now has listed and we're seeing a pop alex it priced at one hundred and two and spent today day in the one thirties. It's not a big enough pop to get bill gurley mad. I don't think so. I would call it kind of like dead on as far as pricing goes. You wanna have a good first day. You want to ensure early investors to just dump your stock and so this is a reasonable compromise price point and i think personally it's a relatively bullish result for a tech in the us and we talked to louis on the co founder of dual and go right before this chat and he kind of walked us through what the sentiment has been like. We did the interview from a windowless room. Which was which was very fun to see in real life but the senate to me. And i'm curious what you think to alex. The san to me was louis. Basically saying that like investors aren't really looking at doolan. go as an ed tech company period. They're likening it to a tech company with ed tech focus and even in the road show. He found themselves not being compared to companies like core sarah which went public recently but instead to companies like spotify and he didn't name this company but he said a dating company. And i'm going to go it's tender. Yeah i mean there's only a couple of dating companies that it could possibly be but it was interesting because one thing we were doing a lot of math on as a pair throughout the duo lingo. Ipo pricing run up was what's the multiple. And if you're listening and you don't know what that means. Let me tell you so. Essentially every company has evaluation and every company has a revenue result from the last quarter. You've got to figure out the revenue. Multiple take last quarter's revenue times by four or multiple by four back and speak english correctly. And then take the valuation divided by that number. And that'll give you current president run rate figure and these matter because companies that have higher margins and faster growth and stickier revenue get higher multiples and companies. That don't have those things get lower multiple so for example. Your local grocery store trades it about point five sales. That's not very good shop. If is forty three times sales so you can see the enormous difference here but with do lingo. It came in and around fifteen sixteen times sales before its ipo pop which was better than we expected. Because it is a consumer facing ed tech company and investors have so long told us that consumers are hard to sell to and that is not really venture backwell and here was a venture back a deck surveys and company going public at a better than median sas multiple which was impressive. Frankly i thought it was quite good. Obviously i have a saas for this company after covering them. I think that they have a lot of work to do now with this kind of is on them and i'm so excited that we get to see financials on an ongoing basis but beyond that we've mentioned during our call that even though they s one they mentioned manet he said it's not something that's really happening as we speak. I have been betting. And we have some boundaries that are will be joining us soon. That dual ingo is hungry for acquisitions because it has so much work to do about getting better at learning and comprehension. But lewis said that. That's actually not what they're going to be putting all this money to where it and inside kind of kept it vegas. We're going to keep operating as it always has been. She did hit a great number of the ipo. Greatest hits including. It's not an end. It's merely part of the journey. How he stressed employees about how nothing changes. I mean like i literally right like a generic. Ipo ceo chat post but the point with acquisitions which did press him on was interesting because he said yeah maybe later on and that to me felt relatively honest as far as these conversations go because he put it out there a little bit so if you're a tech founder hoping that dueling was about to drop some stock on your head probably not going to happen the next couple of quarters unless he was just lying to us but you know he was wearing a tie and he was apple diepen. So you know i think our job as journalists. Believe anyone who has a tie on. No it's actually the opposite of that. Actually it's the first one last bit about duo lingo before we move onto power school which actually gives us the opposite. Because they're an enterprise companies. Louise talked about. it's asia. Focus so one thing and go brought up. In their ec one was that beijing is their only international. Hq and that basically was their way of making a statement that they think the market is that big so louise's reaction. He's an outspoken person. So his reaction to what has happened in china was again. I think pretty honest. He said that paraphrasing. It'd be silly to bet my entire company's trajectory on just china that said he does think that it will take some indirect competitors that are in the language learning tutoring space. And he's kind of thinking six months at a time and he doesn't know what six months looks like so they're kind of just holding their breath and and the beijing office is watching it. Play out but they are. They are exposed in a way more than other companies. I mean. I don't think there's any company that didn't have some material. China based revenues in their future plans and that may not be scuppered. And so i think i think this is kind of a pain to revenue diversification especially geographic sense given an increasingly challenging regulatory environment for every tech sector everywhere moving along to power school. I'll get everyone excited about it. Because i don't know power. School is as much of a household name as to go over the past year a lot of texts unicorns have been consumer i companies which is actually a contrast to what the public markets look like the public markets are full of these enterprise i at tech companies like chug like to you etc etc and so having these two. Ipo's consumer one enterprise go back to back. Actually give us like the closest will ever see to what the public market things today when it has an option between two. And i'm oversimplifying it. But stay with me. Power school going out as an enterprise company to me was actually not as scary as lingo because it had historical examples to look at so it wasn't like teaching public investors how to value an enterprise at tech company. That said it did price at the lower end of its share. I believe it had a range of eighteen to twenty and at market close eighteen point four so we saw a very flat reception towards the company. Which i don't think is a loss. I think tech company going public in general was as much of a reality two years ago as it is today but that's kind of where power school is at this moment. Alex how are you looking at them. So looking at the numbers of power school. Because i did find this to be a very interesting. Ipo we're looking at essentially one hundred and forty two million in revenue in the most recent quarter. That's the june period down ever so slightly from q one which caught my eye but certainly up about forty percent compared to the year ago q. Two so reasonable amounts of growth. It's a company that is not burning a lot of cash as relatively modest net losses and so the business with mostly subscription revenue on an enterprise basis. Kind of at scale. Okay so what the hell does that mean. Well doing some quick math. It's worth about three point five billion at its eighteen dollars per share up your price and we did see some estimates. That could be worth as much as six billion. So certainly a number wasn't maybe where they'd hoped but still it's a multibillion dollar ed tech exit on the public markets hard to be to route about it and then doing some quick math about all of this. The multiple is not super impressive. So just doing some quick math. Accompanies roughly valued at six x. It's cute to run rate which is far below. What we've seen from duo lingo. I think however that instead of seeing a pure differential between enterprise attack and consumer facing tech. We're seeing a fast growing company. Get a bigger multiple and a slower company in a smaller multiple. And that's that's that's how it should be. That makes sense to me so she makes sense. It's just not as juicy as i was hoping to get to in the numbers there but this seems to be price fairly if modestly conservatively. And so maybe what we're seeing here is power school not be as big of a brand. Maybe couldn't get as much interested in shares duo lingo enormous brand. Everyone's heard about the dumb owl hoots at you. If you don't conjugate your spanish verbs maybe a bit more interest from the broader muslim community. Well said i think with power school. I actually had done a little bit of an interview with their. Ceo are deep gaudy before. And when i did ask about the listing and how he's feeling i did note that companies like check and to you have not had the easiest time in the public market so far so even though the public markets are used to that kind of company and reading those s ones it doesn't mean that they've been specifically receptive as receptive as they were at the height of the pandemic. And you didn't really comment on that directly. He said that they're confident in. I'll read the exact quote. I'm confident our business. Leadership position and the fact that education will continue to modernize trend. We are leading. I don't need to be stasi but i'm just going to pause there. I mean this is the issue with companies that are going public so a a little behind the scenes here so when a startup is seed stage. It's like a founder. Maybe two three or four employees and they've hired some indie pr person who's going to roughly keep them from saying the f. word on interview. That's that's the level of sophistication by the time. Companies like series. Dc re like when you get on a call eight people in the room and it super broccoli and then they go public and then it's everything four times seven because they had just been schooled in how to not go to jail by accident and they claim up a little bit and stick to the script. Some more experienced the loser some more like that but natasha to your point to you it sure price got up as high as like fifty five. Give or take early this year. Down to forty six now so some degradation there and then in the case it got over to like one hundred fifteen and it's not unto by eight so we've seen some come down those stocks. Maybe that's not really helping the power school ipo. So far one hundred percent. So i want to go to our last section of today spaces which isn't gonna we're going to interact with some founders. Actually saw some that. I know really like also in the audience will bring them up to but i think the question alex to correct me if i'm wrong but i think the question should be like at tech startups thinking right now and go is a company that doesn't consider itself traditional ed tech that has been valued very highly power. School is a more traditional startup that also saw a pandemic bump that is being received flatly but also with optimism. Because it's doing something rare for a sector. That's lovely so yeah. I'll throw the first reaction to tailor. The co founder and ceo. of two. ken. Taylor would love you to join us onstage. Hello you both. Thank you so much for having me on. It's so great to chai love the previous segment to. I'm so glad we're talking your book for people who don't know give us the the one liner about to ken. And then we'll we'll throw you on the spot to get your reactions to the ipo's perfect. I love it so to can is best way to learn a new language as you browse. The web were pretty much across every single browser although fire fox were about to launch over a hundred thousand active users now and we've raised over seven point five million dollars today love it. Love it And congratulations on that milestone. one hundred thousand active users is not casual at all. So yeah i mean how. Have you been receiving seeing another consumer at tech company in literally the same space as you language learning. Get the reception at did. What notes have you been taking and slacks. Have you been sending yes. It's been so exciting. Honestly especially in the language learning space in ed tech space to have this big powerful unicorn Finally go public definitely. My inbox has been filled with a ton of investor. Emails trying to follow up with two canada's also honestly it's great news for us in great news for the whole industry and then diving into the ajilon for all these really interesting nuggets to try to really use them as a thing we can use as a benchmark for two can moving forward. Whether that's for future fundraisers or even internally for very interesting metrics that we we can look at so taylor on the point. I'm curious how impressed you're with duo lingo or not impressed when you saw the numbers do they match your expectations. Were a little bit soft. Feel i thought that they were fantastic. I mean given duos huge brand audience. If you look at the entire competitive landscape like duos definitely number one in the market that everyone's looking to at least in my opinion so i thought the market responded great to that as well. I did love how you guys mentioned that. They're trying to compare themselves more to uh spotify or tinder. Than course there and i think it's smart on our ends right because they're looking at time spent in by users very similar to time spent by spotify user a tinder user and really leaning on their strong strong ends on gamification which is really their bread and butter within their app. So quick question about that. Because i'm very curious how when you raise money for two can what were the cops that. Vc's were kind of viewing use through. Were they more. Ed techy or did you also get these spot of ice. Lash tender calms definitely leaned on the consumer comes as much as we we essentially are two or almost three strikes going against us while warrior fundraising were not only at ed tech company but a language learning company and also browser extension. I do. We were navigating a lot of things while we were fundraising but the benefit for office. We don't require time out of people's day and so we are able to leverage that versus a duo or any of these others in the competitive space. Really trying to take time out of your day. We're really great. Partner for those other apps tudor marketplace's you name it out there. Perfect let me also bring on the ceo and co founder of solo learn which raised twenty four million. This past week we talked about them on the podcast last week but they have a bite sized dual angle like mobile first coating education app. A mouthful cool. Hey how are you great to be here. So yeah for solar in worry about helping people gain the skills required to succeed over the next ten years very heavily focused on learning experience. A combination of theory practice and peer-to-peer help so mobile i available on all platforms have grown through twenty one million users in virtually every country organically never paid on user acquisition so basically by sized we work towards becoming a hobby users lives and we strongly believe that content has become a commodity but the focus of epic moving forward should be owned community and learning experience because as humans will need to learn to learn on our own so selves threatening will be the way upscale on the go. We haven't quite figured out the at that like the the learning experience like the tech enabled learning experience that actually works at scale. So that's we are one of my first questions. When i i read the story that ingrid wrote about solo learn duo. Lingo is good at getting motivation. As a product though learn wants your motivation and strong outcomes that are very obviously tied to things. You can measure because coding is a little bit less of an art than a language. I feel like i'm going to annoy someone with that. But i do feel like tracking. The results of coding is one of the promises. That's all and wants to make a reality though. How have you been explaining to. Investors that sure dueling go proves that you can get engagement but they really haven't proved that you can get true fluency. How have you kind of addressed the questions around. Can you do fluency from a bite sized app and that's a very good question. I think we're still figuring that out ourselves but with coding. You're right like we track user activity on the platform and we see their project. So and that's how employers basically hire programmers today in today's world so encoding. It's all about practice and eventually becomes your project portfolio that makes you competitive in the world but that being said we are seeing huge population up like new commerce to solo learn which are not necessarily a quarter to be but these are professionals like business people marketers spineless people who also need some sort of technical literacy to succeed in their current job to stay in their current jobs. And then like get promoted to like landon. Your job as a marketer. That's what we're working on right now. Like how do you measure a technical literacy of marketing percents will. I'll be totally honest. Last time that i really wrote code was high school and it was c. plus plus and it went very poorly. My question is about to whom do you sell. Natasha puts you in a an enterprise frame to kick things off but person through the site it does feel a little bit more kind of like consumer e- given the pro products. Can you unders through. Who is the kind of the core customer of solo learn. Yeah sure we're like direct to consumer. The biggest audience that were serving are still students are looking to lend their for job. But then the second like the user base that were catering to are basically like professionals want upscale and that is more recent. I mean we were pitching it six years ago but like no one really believed us. So yeah but then we're seeing more and more linden joe posts for marketers. Finance people requiring like technically tristan. Some coding skills so this is the second leg biggest population on solar. We'll thank you for underscoring. I guess the idea that things are actually changing for ed tech startups. I do want to bring up philip cutler. From paper they raised one hundred million in july. And phillip. you are in the wild world of selling to k. Through twelve schools. So give us your first take on the power school. Ipo thanks tasha. i'll start by saying overall. This is all just very exciting for education. In general got just ed tech but there is formation happening in our education space. Broadly and seeing three three companies go public in the last week. Just they're being instructor which makes the canvas elements. Some people may be familiar with that. This is all very strong indication that a the industry as a whole is transforming. And there's an appetite for transformation with regards the power school specifically natasha. You now for speaking the earlier segment about the fact that you know Dueling goes multiple very different than what power schools received but power was a much older more established humping right. They were founded in nineteen ninety seven. They've been around for twenty plus years and they've built the business over the last few years especially through acquisition right and and most notably the acquisitions of novels which makes You know which is a saas solution as well as school g so they built the business very different way than dual lingo has and i think because of that you know they don't always get the same. Consumer attention consumer company would be but there they're powerhouse incredible brander incredible company that done some fantastic stuff I think it's very different. Growth rate obviously and very different story behind them and overall When we look at sort of both the power school and instructor. Ipo's i think it suggests that there is an appetite from public markets. And we're seeing this more consistently now at least on our side. That folks are excited about some of these enterprise. Be to be education solutions. That historically may not have been the most well received because the education system just been reluctant to change. And now there's just such an appetite for for innovation you throw in an extra two hundred billion dollars to the three stimulus packages that were approved that specifically earmarked for for our schools. There's a lot of money out there. That's going to be pumped in innovation. So there's some exciting stuff happening. I mean these companies go. Public is very encouraging for for companies like paper but for everybody in education. You know just. The whole system is transformed. So philip i was really fascinated to see that you guys put together a one hundred million dollars series. See i think that would have been a series c fund back in nineteen ninety-seven when power school is getting off the ground. How times have changed. But i'm very curious why you put so much capital into the company's books and kind of like whoa what's the thing you're trying to accelerate to reach right now as a business so we're growing quickly and i don't think this is so different from a lot of the other transformational education businesses and honestly transformational businesses. In general. we created this whole new category. What we call educational support systems. What we're best known for. Our high dosage tutoring right so students are able to get support. Twenty four seven. Click button any topic that they need. And it's all provided through their school district so the school actually is the is the customer endure providing this service in equitable way so every student is able to get support that they need the capital that we raised is really to help us. Continue the growth that we're seeing you know we've only really been in market for about three years and in that short period of time we've seen very rapid adoption and just the credibility in terms of what we're doing in the market has been very very well received by school district so overall were excited. We look at these companies like power school like instructor. Now they're not that far ahead of where we are where we want to be in the next year or two so it's exciting times for us than the cobbler we've brought in gets us closer to those milestones that we want to reach the next twelve to twenty four months. Thank you so much for your comments and thank you everyone my takeaways from our conversation to give a little wrap up. I feel like at text. Bench benchmark is changing. It's no longer just compared to the single at tech company on the public markets but it's compared to the likes of spotify and net flicks and that is all exciting. That's built mentioned. There are multiple ways to build an ed tech business so power. School may not be valued like duo lingo but it is a sign of how kind of business can exit and that can exit in the first place and that early stage tech soul exciting fun and aspirational it. All makes me really excited. Thank you everyone. For joining alex for being a great co host and taylor philip a nada and uefa so much for sharing your perspectives. This will be on the podcast fees viewed on monday so go subscribe to equity wherever you wasn't a podcast and follow us on twitter because you just should.

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"In the next episode of sips suds and smokes today. We're going to go back and revisit. Three of our favorite. Ipa's from twenty thirteen whether we won't admit it or not all drink. At one point the bears will be tasting and discussing. Today are from six point brewery that classic resin i that was one of the best of twenty thirteen. We also have their spitzer bomb. Pa we have blackstone breweries best of thirteen beer the atom bomb i along with their newer little check locale i also one of our twenty thirteen best of was the classic from cigar city high lie and also their taco babo red. Ip tobacco tacos. That's cool to drink that we'll be right back after this break brought to you almost live from the dude in the basement studios. Why because that's where the good stuff is it six suds and the smokes with your smokin. Post the good old boy suds suds. It's time for moore's welcome welcome. Welcome everyone. I don't think anybody's greeted dave with at least three welcomes ever no. This is to our audience. This is wasn't directed towards dave. That's going oh sorry. I feel funny a welcome myself. Okay dave welcome. Hey everyone thank you for joining. This is another sud segment where we drink beer and we talk about it. Sounds easy. doesn't it. Well that's what it said on the pamphlet for me. Maybe it is but we've won awards doing it. So hey we go. Whatever i am. One of your host could out juliana and with me today at the table is could avoid kendall. I am so happy to be here. Could avoid mike. Despite the repeated lawsuits. I am still here. Look at that enthusiasm folks. Thank you and good a boy. Dave goes over my head roofless too fast. I love that movie so much but anyways wow well at the end of each season of says and smokes we do a best of episode where each host will talk about some of their favourite products that were covered on the show over the past year. Overtime our tastes and preferences change right because we grow up a little right. Now they'll say where or which direction horizontally or vertically you just you. Just that i can't. It's nature nurture well our taste preference change and also new breezy new beers pop up like almost daily. Yes not to mention that. There are hot new trends constantly coming and going. That'll goza much. Yes with laxly hurt. Somebody say they were going to do. Eight lactose cezanne. On what i just ran through a wall just so wrong on so many levels are ear printing t shirts starting the bro deaths. Making them signed. Wow well i thought that it would be cool to look back at two or three of our top picks from a few years ago. You believe that we've been on the air for that long right now so our audience. So we're going to see how we like them now and then also try some newer things those breweries so today. we're going to go back and revisit. Three of our favorite. Ipa's from twenty thirteen whether we won't admitted and not we all drink at one point could avoid kendall. Would you please give us a lineup for today. The beers will be tasting and discussing. Today are from six point brewery that classic resin i a nine point one percent beer. That was one of the best of two thousand thirteen. We also have their spitzer bomb. Pa coming in at eight percents. Next up we have blackstone breweries best of thirteen beer. The atom bomb. I a seven point two percent. Epa along with their newer little check locale up with a low four point one percent ab also one of our twenty thirteen best of was the classic from cigar city. High lie at seven point five percent a very well i a and also their taco babo red eye at seven point two percent. Ab come back. Tacos that's cool. do drink. thank you kendall. That was very nice. All right goodbye day. What gives us a suds ratings. Oh this is reading okay. We'll be discussing in writing these beers with these ratings. Plus our signature belching sounds here. Are those ratings now number one. That sucks give me anything but a good old boy. Mike are using your big radio voice. This is the biggest voice. I've got fellow too. Was that a bill. It's puny three What a relief for a good. Oh boy mike should really not make any sound read. That and number five listened to that hang time. Give me another. Could avoid dave now to self keep could've by dave away from the ratings. Okay thanks let's get to those beers we're going to talk about each one. Give our notes and ratings and then also talk about other things. We're starting with resin. Sure yep we're gonna start with six point. Six point was founded in two thousand fourteen. Wow that's crazy. And they were home brewers initially and then the microbrewery is located in a seven thousand square foot factory in red hook then in november of twenty eighteen six point was acquired by artisanal brewing ventures which already owned southern tier in victory brewing company's so there's that If you don't know a six point is base at brooklyn new york And they this is one of their Perennial it there's high availability. There's going to be a new beer. That's going to be introduced here in twenty fourteen as well that is going to be able to elevate resonant self you know some of the flavor so is this called was fourteen stint in that clip. We've come a long way folks ton so everyone. There's books drinking game every time good aboard. Mike says turn off the show. It's time to head over to that. Quit quilting show so okay. What do we talk about resin. Really interesting Who turned off the high profile on. This is not quite what i remembered it. Being the earth penis quality of of this particular hop profile. Not quite what we think of in minneap as you today. This is definitely old school. Yeah so i mean just a solid bitterness that those kerley malts that just you get that slut leader yeah balance. I'm i honestly can't remember. It's been so long since i had resin but it it seems about like resume. Yeah and resin is a really good name for the spirit. Oh it's so sticky began piney and it's beautiful and old school. What do you think j b. You know i remember having a travel up to kentucky back in the day to get this and thinking oh my gosh. This is such a great. Ip a in this is so unlike anything that we've had you know. of course. Everything was bland before. I hate to say that and this was just like a burst. Ripe of dank forest loveliness yeah. They don't publish their hub profile. That i remember. I mean if he's said to guess i mean. This is not a of a lot of the beers. I think we're going to have today. This is definitely not a citra mosaic galaxy bomb. This is there's like mateka. Or a course i would guess some some coast. Maybe some even ct z. Go is simco centennial. Yeah it's really It almost is tasting like they were going toe to toe with the west coast style. You know. I think that's absolutely what they were doing. Yeah yeah because at times here in nevada and And llagas for really pumping out all these huge sticky sweet you know style West coast ip. as and. i think this was a bit of there. We can deal with those same hops. You know as well we'll burn your palate up just like those guys do now. It does not say it all even on the new packaging It's still in the same. Can now the same size which is great and the logo has just been updated slightly nine percent nine point one percent. Ab a hundred and three ib us The only thing that is different now compared to what it was years ago is that you got the statue of liberty on the barcode which i thought was kinda sweet and then When it says it is formulated brewed by six point brewery. it's now brooklyn new york parkersburg. Pa and downington pa so they're making in multiple locations now right so there's been expansion if you will. I was right on one of them. But chinook and centennial. How chanel yes. So that's why i said the. Cdc because you got a lot of similarity there in simcoe is also got some of that old school down resonating kind of that bite and yeah it's interesting and you know the the thing about the cantu is like wonder how many seltzer buyers are getting thrown off by these cans because they've been saint profiles cans. Yeah yeah it's it's it's get confused and finally move on to something decent flavor abra. I think it's safe to say that this is really. This is held up well and it's still really yummy and you know in a world now where we have so much lactose in everything. It's nice to come home to this isn't it. we are writing this. A four tiffany. These art seltzer as you ruined my bachelorette party super solid and the cool thing is. I've seen chinook starting to pop up again. Yeah i think it's a flavor people are looking for again. We've had enough. Sweet and juicy. People are cycling bad yet. Some note or stuff. It's very good. I don't recall ever having this on tap or not often anyway now. And you gotta go to red hook buddy. Yeah i guess you have a lot. I don't even remember resin being available on tap in the city. You know really that much. There's a bunch of other six point beers. well it does well in a can. We'll be back with more in just a minute. Welcome back everyone. So today's episode is little bit of the old and a little bit of the new. That's mike and dave. Wow we pick up my fifth gen. Wow so so what we're doing today. Ladies in jen's if you're just tuning in is taking some beers that we rated highly from the past seeing how they are now a few years later and then also comparing some other beers from that brewery that have come out recently. So we've been talking about six point from brooklyn new york. We just finished the resin. And now we're going to get into the spitzer bomb of noodles. Switzer bomb is an eight percent. Ab beer if features and easy drinking while which featured his easy drinking wine creation. Yeah so there's there. There's that believe this one is collab- they do. This is so sloop. Which is somebody that we have mentioned on a previous episode and six point. They came together over the years to make four versions of a collaborative. Ip a Which is using. They're sloops juice. Fom as a blueprint. And then they add some wine grape. Yeah so this this spitzer bomb is all the juice of a serious. Ip a with the tinky. Lemme finish southern blunk. Grapes bombs away is a them grapes. Mike you're no i am and It's very interesting smother beers. I know that you know kind of crossover and are using some aspect of other wine. Yeast or using grapes. Talked a lot about trillium. Trillium style in series. Is you know probably. I considered one of the few people it's done a great job of introducing full grape juice into the beer itself in a blend and it was It was a fabulous experience. And they've been able to continue making a lot of those beers on this. One is more along the lines of its finishing out dry like a champagne yeast Would and that's a lot of what really kind of caught my attention was the wine like aspect was specifically the use component here. It's very light on the town It's very approachable. This is one of those things that you'd probably sit down and go. How many of these have i had. You've had fourteen. Oh okay Not good with an eight percent beer. Now probably not. I think you could serve this and like those little wine flutes like at a party. A lot of people would just think they were having some kind of like you know champagne and wine kind of little thing. Yeah yep. I think you'd get away with that. Yeah it's it's good in a shows you the change in people's palates for as this is not a hot bomb this is no residue at all even remotely close to you. Know the opening Beer the talked about with resin. This is very soft very approachable very light and airy on the tongue juicy and citrusy and just it's still eight percent ip but it's it's the completely other end of the spectrum. It's a lot more balanced. Julius the only other girl here other than mike. How do you like this beer. would you serve it to your girlfriends. Okay a you really. Comparing me to mike will send your birth girls. Wow okay yes i would. I like what they've done here you know resin was its own animal right. And his beastie in its full and it's in your face and it's just this hop bomb. I love what the spitzer bomb is on so many levels like a it's modern it really is. It can even go toe to toe with some of these new england. I p as it's come out. I mean is it full fledge new england i p no but it's there it can be in the conversation but what does that even mean anymore. Well true i mean. Honestly i think i would put that right up there in that category. It's juicy and soft. Easy drinking is it's very easy drinking. I think for somebody that is afraid of hops and the stringency that hops can bring. This is a beautiful beer very good. Halfway point yeah and like mike said it's very quotable like you could down a few of these refreshing and yummy and i- i like that six point can still be relevant. You know so many years later. Great beer yeah super solid. We're going to rate the spitzer bomb from six point eight four even if i did have to go to kentucky to get it well you know. There's that okay moving on. Let's talk about the next coupling beers and let's go to florida. April are realizing that bitterness doesn't translate to and we are going to go to tampa and we're gonna talk about cigar. Cities highlight so cigar. City was founded in two thousand seven and the founder was. He had been in the brewing community for many years. The company has now grown to produce seven hundred seventy thousand barrels of beer annually with distribution to thirty nine states. Since twenty ten cigar city has released their hoon apu imperial stout which everyone in the beer community knows Which has been like. There's even a festival about it. And then as of march twenty sixteen cigar city has partnered with longmont colorado based oskar blues brewery to form kentucky craft brewery collective which includes oskar blues cigar city parent and the utah brewers collector collaborative. Sorry outfit that includes wasatch and squatters brands. So it's i mean the big more to that. I think pretty sure they have. There's one out in california and maybe wanna texas to zil smaller ones. Yeah so from the little brewery that could in florida of all states. I mean they are now everywhere. Tampa's like a hotbed of good abruzzo. I remember the original scar city and Spent quite a bit of time. You know visiting that original location I wish i could say that. I actually got to know. These brewers before they actually moved into making something commercially because highlight was basically there. That was their goto beer. in fact i don't believe them really making any more than four beers You know they were right out of that. You know brew pub kind of mentality. At that point in time you had to make a you know a brown you know you had to make a blind and you know just those these very basics styles out you know just just hit all the four corners and they really kind of set that aside and they said we're not gonna do the group of model we are gonna make four. You know solid beers. But they're not going to be the ones that you think we're gonna make so you know they made the madero you know right off the bat they made you know they put highlight out there. You know very Right off the gecko So there were definitely bearded. I remember being able to get wide. Very wide distribution right. Even from the gecko but great hot profile. I can't remember this high profile. Either and i'm seeing tasting through it as well and it. It's definitely not that again. It's not that citra you know mosaic bomb you know or galaxy that so many Beers are really made with now. There's definitely something with a very earthy quality again to it. I'm you i don't think it's centennial. But there wouldn't be a bad guess. I don't think that's a bad guess at all. No i don't think you're too far. Tell you one of the things that impressed me about these guys is the the highlights very good. But then they did the white oak highlife. Yes nobody nobody was doing that kind of thing. That's true they were one of the few brewers were actually barrel aging anything and because they were making some additional beers and and barrel aging them. They had access into a barrel broker that they went. Why don't we dropped some. This highlight into you. Know some wine barrels and you know see you know what this is going to produce and i love that white. Oh klein i thought that. It softened up the beer that was really well done beer and i thought that it was a good complement at that time. So here's what i'm seeing for. Hops for highlight out out hannam amarillo. That makes that makes that makes sense. Amarillo is the thing that i think is very predominant columbus centennial cascade. That makes a ton of sense. That is simco. I mean that's almost classic. A lot of guys sees now that's a classic west coast the season. You throw in simcoe amarillo. Yeah and you've got a west coast interesting that a beer. That would be this popular for this. Long has absolutely no galaxy. No citra and and no mosaic. Can that's crazy know you can make a beer without mosaic. Yeah i would say that you know. People are scratching their head going. Wow pull it off for fifteen absolute classic and just when it comes to just classic american. Ipa's in that west coast style. You know this is definitely top. Five the thing that's really sticking out with me as the quality of this anything you know. This is a beer. That i've probably had off and on you know over this period of time and this tastes just as good as i remember it. Yeah fifteen years ago when the co thing is like this is one of the ones you can get at the grocery store like. Just go when you're you know whatever and you can get a twelve pack and it's not super high priced or anything and there's a ton of it's very readily available and you can It's easy to get you know. And it's great and i think they've been able to go toe to toe pretty well. You know on the tap wall and being able to put this in a lot of You know premise. yeah you know distribution. You can go to a ballpark and get an highlight. You know you can go to a football and get highlight. You could go to like a craft beer bar and get highlight like it it. It flies yeah joanna. What looking at over there i. i'm just trying to remember. I was looking at like old notes. That i had this is like i remember the first time i tried this and it blew me away and i thought oh my gosh. This is coming from florida of all places not to be mean and just how it was an once again of course but it was hoppy and it was comfortable and it was easy drinking and it's still like i could still down a few of these today. No it's not. It's very well balanced and i mean even today with all of their expansion. It's it's still pretty darn good. Yeah one of the cool moments that i remember with highlight in actually with the white oak version. That dave you know had mentioned earlier was actually have a cigar city brewing in the tampa airport. They do. And i remember the first time and this was when you know you could actually go down to the gate you know with family and everything my mom and dad were with me and i remember you know walking over and picking up. A six. Pack of the widow can taking with me on the plane. Mom was like. Wow you can do that and to go yet. Mama definitely doing that. And i actually member bring the white back for all to enjoy that trip and I just thought that was you know that was so cool because that that bar. That beer was so difficult to find that they didn't make a lot of the white oak and remember how much we enjoyed having that having it. Fresh right there. The plane is not just that they've got a restaurant in the airport serving beer. They have a brewery in the airport. It is that they have as tiny pilot system airport in and they make airport only beer. That you can't even get at the taproom that's crazy. It's every time. I actually before you know the world shut down in twenty twenty. I was in saint petersburg in february. And i made sure i got to the airport like an hour and a half earlier than usual so i just sit and drink fresh beer plane. I love flying out of tampa because yeah that's a great place to drink beer. But that's the thing i mean. Having an taproom was really really great. I mean i remember the big walkers convention and going there and just being amazed up the friendliness and just such a comfortable atmosphere the good folks they i mean they really really are but even besides that the beer was just. It wasn't crazy over the top but it was solid and it was good whether you had the highlight or a variation of the highway or whether you had them a juror brown and exactly right so great stuff we are going to. We're going to rate this a five because it's still relevant today. You're looking at four four folks. Don't dish that out just because it's you know it's okay ish not offensive. I think at some point this bill being in the same conversation as like sierra nevada pale ale is like a quintessential american nari is. Maybe yeah but definitely top five. I'm thinking you know two hearted. Sierra nevada torpedo this beer. Maybe some new school stuff like Anti hero or truth. But those i'm as are all following kind of the footsteps of what they did with highlight. Yeah yeah now we're gonna go totally two different style i know isn't this great so another beer that we wanted to highlight. Maybe a little newer than the high lie is the tow kabaga from Cigar city this is their redeye clocking in at seven point two percent. Abc seven point two. That's a nice comfortable spot for for. Yeah it's an assertive. A balanced ale that mary's the pine in citrus quality of citra hops with an assertive bitterness of hops and then the mall flavors and it is very multi toasty. Yeah you get all of those flavors you get out of a big amber but then it comes in with a big hot bill you get from an ip a and it's there's not many red ipa's out there. Nobody even call them that much anymore but just think of a really hopped up amber ale. I think that's pretty much what it is like an american amber. Yeah and this is that yeah. Super solid red Radio ip Who's the who's the west coast Out of san diego That also they have a berea in virginia Friend no friendship Creep lush green flesh. That's it do they still there. Well they do but you can't hardly get it anywhere they had. They pulled way. They got bought out by vase. They had a red epa. Go-to you read read ip that. I always think of. And when i was facing us. Today i think the big difference between the green flash version and The cigar city version is that the caramel You know burnt sugar element of the green. flash is a lot more pronounced. Yeah there's a lot more subtle This is probably a bit more approachable. More the pine in this one ton of pine almost at pine grapefruit classical. Oh yeah because oh my god. I remember when the green flash it was called the red the hop head read that came out and i thought oh my god this is big so different and yeah yeah yeah. I actually like this better than that beer. I'm just because this is a lot more balanced like how finished us out. The i remember that beer you know finishing out incredibly bitter on the back end and it was so pronounced in in a signature element of that. Beer I loved the way that that finished out. But i like the way that this one is finishing out even better. it's a lot more soft often challenged. And it's really approachable for apa and we're going to rate this one of four definitely more of it is so balanced which is rare and some of these big hoppy multi beers usually one of them's out of kilter. The bigger they get the harder it is to keep them in. Yeah but again. This is nice and i think again cigar city is still relevant even today as opposed to many years ago much so yeah and i love the fact again. The quality of both these fears was just notch. We'll be back with more in just a minute. Coup welcome back everyone. Today is a little bit of memory lane meets current stuff. Yeah so This original episode the episode make. Oh yeah it's a crutch word that they use way too often in even finding myself. I'll probably be saying another fourteen times You thank you. Remember them moment. There were a lot of themes on that particular episode. That i remember talking about everybody. One of the one of the main things that i remember at the time was there. Were so many hot bombs that were coming out and everybody was chasing. I can't create something that is one hundred and ten abuse and just blow away your palate and it was like this huge contest. I remember so many of those beers were chasing that ultimate moment of saying i can stuff more hops in this trade a better on whole. What's the size that again. dave. Two inch bunghole. Yeah that's about what everybody was working on Shoving enough hops through something about this. Is that create this huge flavor bombs and these big huge beers like log anita's maximus that were coming out. You know you had the one twenty minute. I you know i you know. All these sh- she's hops the better much. Ib us a beer. It was arms race and you mentioned in the last segment. Green flash green flash had one called palate recor many it was a barley from hell. Yeah i remember setting the powell record kind of back in the back of the seller and going down touch new for a couple of years buddy. So yeah i mean when you think about you know how the the style of beer has evolved. Do you think that it's moved to a place where you're not chasing. Just the ability of you know overpowering everything with hops. I feel like you most burs and moved to the point where there's the hot blend in profiles is a lot more finesse element to it. And that's that's part of the evolution. I think that it's this. Come around not sure. I think you're absolutely right. Although i feel like i've seen hints that the pain pendulum is about to swing back. That way. i've noticed hazier beers getting bitter again. I've noticed other breweries. Just coming out with straight up bitter at the as and you gotta wonder as we've been so sweet and juicy so long. Are we ready to back to just a you. Know enamel stripping bitterness. I'm not. I'm always going to be sweet and juicy. The here's the thing. Is you know in twenty thirteen. Two thousand fourteen. Everything was about that is stringency. That sharpness that dank forest. You know cat piss. Forgive me for saying that floors there. No but it was a thing right and it was so much more than the basic. Bland loggers that we were getting. That didn't have a high profile. All of a sudden this big huge hop for profile came about then we got into the sweet and then we got into the juicy and then we got into the lactose laden stuff you know where it was almost too sweet to really be considered a beer now. Maybe we are swinging back. But i think you're right. Mike i think a lot of breweries. Learn to work with hops in a new way. There's new technologies out there that helps them to get the flavors rather than just the pure bitterness and i think we saw maturity in the industry about what hops could do well and i think that you know the hot production well as the delivery of the wrong ingredients has also come a long way. I mean back ten years ago when we did this regional episode. it was all about. How fast can you rush things from being harvested to utilizing them and then you are working with things that were vacuum packed and then it was just a matter of you know they were. Dealing with elements of exposure to oxygen would basically Diminish the how you know the quality of the hops you're working with shore of so many different things work with now You have the have poland powder that you know has really come around. And ben revolutionary for a lot of bruce work with had cry. Oh hobbs you know that people are working with that is preserving a lot of the air. Monica essence. You know of the hops in you're getting all of those oils and elements that you get in fresh hop beer. Many of those new hops have less subdued vegetative matter. We had in the old school pellets. So you don't get any of the off flavors those might have contributed the grassy nece or other things. When you're doing all right right dare. I say it's a more refined version of what hops can be now. Definitely when you look at you know probably what was being shoved in the pellets. You know to work with ten years ago. You're working with elements of the whole cone in a lot of components around that that frankly didn't actually make a contributory element to the flavor profile. That you're raining for You know you see this. A lot of time in other things especially in grape cultivation. You know that. I'm thinking about where you get into orange wines that you know have elements of the skins in the stem and everything else around them and it really has a very different. You know component of flavoring component than wines where you just crushing the fruit alone. Sure and i think that that's the way that hop producers come around. I think that after time. I think it's been Several things i think one is that the brewers have demanded more of the hop producers In terms of being able to figure out a distribution model where whatever. I'm tasting in the field. I want to be able to stick it in the tank at the end of the day and they don't want to deal with all this elements of rushing and only having i can. I can do this during fresh hop season. You know in the fall but after that too. It's you know it's anybody's guess. And i love the fact that there have been brewers that have learned to navigate that over long periods. I'm gonna love the conversation that we just had about highlight where when you look at the hops that they've been working with for such a long period of time they have learned to navigate this with great skill. Yeah efficiency and it's very dialed in and that's the thing now. Is you want this instant gratification. And this dialed in flavor. Well i thought. I just wanted to revisit some of that conversation. We had on the original episode. But let's get to another beer here. Okay so brewery number three that we're talking about today is blocked temporary which is nashville's oldest craft brewery which was founded by. Ken taylor and stephanie wines. May she rest in peace so this started in nineteen ninety-four and they still continue to receive many words for many beers over the years. I mean we're lucky to have this here in our backyards crazy you know we have one brewery. That's probably garnered more. Gab f models and and probably a five state region you know just all by themselves if you took everybody else combined you know. Yeah it's really crazy off one beer to really rock rock-solid mean yeah saint charles porter is you know definitely not going to get any better than that but i remember when the bomb came out and how it was like a revelation like oh my gosh what was nationals competing in the national debt stretching the bounds of what blackstone did the nineties brewpubs. So you can think of every style they has was a this was not there. Will all this surprised everybody in this town because it's a solid. Ip a old school classic west coast. Yeah i mean. This is an explosion of centennial. Cascades chinook and simcoe in you know big in your face coming in at only seven point three percent a b. i mean in the scheme of things gotta be swinging up there in terms of abuse. You know plan that you know hundred range. This is only the seventy six seventy. I can't believe that all right. Well let's tasting just a really good use of the hops and for those of you have never had this. We've talked about highlight. We've talked about resin somewhere in between so if you can make sure that yeah yeah little. Got that nice upfront. Sharp pine kind of earth penis and then a nice bitter finish. But it doesn't blow you up. I would say the star of the show. Here is a centennial. i really think that's Both the the predominant hot profile. I think it's also the glue between you know all of these pieces full hot for these fears. Yeah it's not You know it's a well-made base beer. And i really like how this has great balance and finishes out you know. It really has just good balance all the way from beginning then we can tell from the color to. It's not just light mosque. There's a little bit of you know kind of caramel or something going on in this one has a bit of a kind of a red tinge to it. Yeah it does but it's still hold up and this we're going to rate a four two now. The flip side of that blackstone has released what they call a little jack which is a four point one percent thirty five. Ib you and it's got a lot of centennial hops. But this is their downgraded version hop jet. Yeah of object. Which is they're kind of. They're more than atom bomb. I would say hop jackie's kind of their flagship another really solid one. But little jack is sort of the lok i think they're venture into the locale session. Ip a game. That's a good point though because the object does come across differently than the atom bomb. It's been a while. Since i've had it. But i do remember just it was also a big old school up but it was it. I don't know it was more dank. More it was more diarist. Ambaum was a little bit more balanced in terms of hop flavor. And you can actually still get hop jack as well. Oh yeah little checks. None not bad though. It's like all low cow low a. b. i. p. as it's just hard to make a hoppy bitter beer that's going to balance out the low amount of malt. You can get the baby but you're still getting a decent amount of like hot flavor you know for being such a lower ab. Yeah but it's not overdone. It's for would you say four point. Four point one so he is a little thin but expected with four percents. It's definitely lighter. You're not gonna get a lot of caramel malt out of this. It's a it's a lighter grain bill but but hop still work. You still know. You're drinking a bitter beer. Yeah and that's what you're looking for. If you're if you're wanting the first part of your beer shopping experiences i want locale or something but i want an ip a. You're not gonna find much better and you're still going to get some hop bitterness outta this. I mean it's it's a hard beer to make you think log anita's had one that was like under one hundred calories hoppy beer. I know founders. All day is kind of turned into this category. Although it's a little bit it's it's hard to make a light local beer with bitterness and make it work but they've done a good job with this really remember what was going on quite a bit when both these beers came around and the discussion that you know ken was having with their distributor was that they're removing to the point of merchandising of their beer in grocery stores for the first time and it was moving them from a group of model and where they were pretty much Very localized distribution with liquor stores. And they really had to create a series of beers that we're going to appear to a much bigger. Yeah audience. And i think this was you know part of what they decided to do. There was Excuse me strawberry of that king strawberry picnic. The can around the same time that little jack did in part of what they were dealing again was they were trying to appeal to a much broader. You know palette around well when you're going into the grocery store you know it's not like moving into a craft beer store or something like that it's a completely different audience. I mean everybody. We all buy groceries but not everybody goes into a craft beer store. I wouldn't go so far to say that. Little jack has just incredibly watered down version of anything. If anything i just feel like they just backed off. You know on both alcohol in the hot profile. Absolutely jack yeah yeah. Yep we're going to rate this one i three. I think that's the trap. A lot of people fall into those. They'll take a big beer inch water. it down. I don't think these guys did now. I don't think that happened at all now. We have a couple of minutes left. So let's talk about a couple of other breweries that we i mean a couple of other beers that we have from the burris that we have talked about so in terms of cigar city. You know we have talked about big hop bombs. Well let's talk about fancy papers for a minute. This one is six point five percent. Ab sixty ip us. And this is using. Strada sabra in idaho seven which are newer hops in the lexicon. Very creamy creamy. It's everything you think you're going to get in a hazy but it's nothing about us offensive. It's it's like every day hazy. This is not better well. But it's more it's bitter enough to me that it's not one of the sweetie kind of little. Yeah but i like it because it's a little different than the like new england. I pi- we're going to rate this one. A four now quickly we will talk about Six points fancy air party favor. Not a fan of this was not doing it. And i think maybe it's coming right off that satellite. That lactose well. Party favors considered a double new england. Ip this is coming in eight point four percent. They should've stopped it. Okay so for them. I is the rule will write this. We're gonna read this one a two and then last but not least. We're going to talk about stones session player which is a great session. I a as far as they go. We talked about low calorie low. Maybe it's hard to do well but this was a good one. Yeah give it a solid three. Yes thank you so much for joining us on this episode. This is been great those good to come back and revisit you know You know in a then a now. Discussion beer almost right. Well if you're listening to us online do yourself a favor and tap tap tap tap tap that subscribe button please. The easiest way to listen to our show is to ask siri alexa or uncle. Larry your favorite crazy uncle play. Podcasts doesn't smokes. We love your feedback and you can reach online anytime anytime. At info subsistence smokes dot com our daily tasting notes flow out on twitter. 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Ep 24: Sherra Aguirre - Life Without Heart Disease

Plant Strong

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Ep 24: Sherra Aguirre - Life Without Heart Disease

"So you know. Sometimes i have the same experience. Just eating a fresh fresh corn off the cob when it's really crunchy and sweet and just learn how to pay attention to those kinds of things into really enjoy them and reflect on how available and simple good health can actually be in how delicious and fun. It can be if we take time to appreciate what we have season three of the plant. Strong podcast explores those galileo moments. Where you seek to understand the real truth around your health and dare to see the world. Through a different lens this season we honor those code rages seekers paving the way for you and me so grab your telescope pointed towards your future and let's get plans draw. Hello my plans strong pows. My name is rip arsenal stint. And i want to welcome you to another great week on the plant strong podcast. I hope that your summers off to grand start. I can tell you that my family and i we love this time of year. Were outside by the community pool. The kids are starting Swim swim team. The summer league. We are hitting the trails on the bikes We are enjoying this. New game called pickle ball where you You play on a tennis court about half the size of the tennis court and you use the tennis court net and use a ball. It's like a wiffle ball and these little smaller. Hard wood rackets and it is an absolute reliability and i recommend that everybody gets out there and plays some some pickle ball and plus the pickle is a great a great vegetable We also love this time of year because everything has slowed down we like eating our dinners instead of six to seven where seven thirty to eight thirty nine and it is just a joyful joyful time of the year and and that's what this episode is all about because my guest today a pity is is the word joyful in fact. It's even the name of her new book. Her name is shara gary. she is a vibrant soul. Who proves to all of us. That health and vitality has no age limit. Her new book joyful delicious vegan. Life without heart. Disease is testament that we can all learn to enjoy good health naturally at any age and it starts in our kitchens by changing how we eat shera shares her story of reversing your heart disease high blood pressure. After she realized get this that she was eating over fifty percent fat every day so she adopted a simple yet. Beautiful whole foods plant based diet and you guys know how life unfolds after you truly commit an embrace to a whole food plant. Strong diet simple is the keyword here and you'll be inspired and touched by her mindful approach to life that includes a daily yoga and meditation practice as well that i'm very curious about sheriff is able to me. Because of her approach to life that we should all reflect on how available in simple good health can actually be in how delicious and fun it can be if we take time to appreciate everything that we have and i have a guest today. Who has actually just right up the road from me. you know. i'm in here. In austin texas and and share a giri is in houston texas and she is a kindred spirit super pleased to have her on the plant strong podcast. I love that you like throwing around the term plan. Strong dislike i do. It's in your in your vocabulary. But i have you on the podcast today because you have have birth another child recently havasu yes and today is the official birthday y relief. Stay ness so so for all of you that are out there. Share-out wrote this really incredible book called joyful delicious vegan life without heart disease. Everybody wants life without heart disease. So i'd love. I'd love to talk about the book. Your journey your struggles and and how you got where you are today where you decided to spend some time and put every- put pen to paper and write this spectacular book so in a prior life you lead a business for close to thirty five years which which you sold in two thousand sixteen. Can you tell me about that business. And what that was about sure sure. It was a maintenance business and we provided facility maintenance services for mainly corporations. We did a lot of work in the field. I mean i'm in houston so the oil industry's real strong so we Provided landscaping custodial services minor mechanical maintenance to a lottery findings We also did some universities. We were in about seven or eight states and Had about at our height about twelve hundred employees so it was a service business. We were able to win. Some recognition for like service excellence community community involvement so innovation. Those things so i was really pleased with Having had the opportunity to run that business with all my employees and actually i started paying more attention to not only my health but the health of my workforce at that time so you while so that was so you were in that maintenance business for thirty five years. I was foul. Were you the like. Ceo and president. Yes i founded the business. And so i ran it for those thirty-five years. I had a great management team. So i certainly Relied on them for all the stuff. I didn't know which was plenty. And i focused on the things. That i was better at now. They handle the rest of it by had an incredible team. Wow while so you decided to get out in two thousand sixteen sold the business. Good good for you. Wow that's thirty five years. That is a. That's half a lifetime for many people a long time on time longtime and so so that being said It sounds like you said you wanted to do your best. Introduce a lot of your workforce to eating and living healthier. When did your journey To eating healthier and living healthier begin. What like what was the the You're you're a moment there. Well it actually started with my childhood growing up in a family That had a lot of heart disease. Hypertension stroke aneurysm on both sides. So i grew up watching my parents. take blood pressure medications for as long as i can remember And i just remember as a kid and then growing up all of these incidents that happen to people of these illnesses and tragedies That happened around heart disease. My grandmother had a stroke at about my age. Seventy two and that's about the time that she had hers broke and she ended up partially paralysed. She regained some functionality. But not not all And her husband my grandfather again on. My mom's side died of a massive heart attack in his fifties mid fifties and then on my dad's side I had an uncle that had five heart attacks. The last of which took his life. Mewa also battled cancer Had an aunt that died from an aneurysm which caused a coma and she eventually passed had another aunt that had a simultaneous stroke heart attacks so there was all this history they are and so i was concerned so that got my attention. I started pretty early to to think. About what can i do to maybe have another path And when it started at my generation. That's when i really got serious because cousins younger than myself. And i'll give you two examples. I had one cousin who came home from work with a splitting headache. Went to bed and never woke up. And it's at that. He had an aneurysm He thought his blood pressure was under. Control was on medication. But how we don't really know. What the causal factor was that. It was shocking And he was in his forties. And then i had another cousin in his forties also younger than myself at the time who was on his way to a vacation ski vacation with his wife Who worked for an airline company and they were hobby airport near houston. He got hot insecurity told her to go ahead. He meter at the gate she waited. He didn't show up. She started backtracking back to security saw a small crowd gathering in the concourse and when she made her way to the front of it there lay my cousin her husband and it was his first heart attack in was fatal he was also Active and thought is low pressure was under control had been on medications but so these things were really shocking and so when it got to my generation. I really started to pay attention. Yeah no kidding and you know the fit. I think the sad thing is that you just the way you just described that and all of the different chronic western disease. It's on both your mother's in your father's side of the family just littered with it. Unfortunately it's not unusual. Most most people have have have similar. Chronic western disease running throughout their family lines. And as you talk about in the book i mean. This is highly highly preventable. Who did you share. Who did you write this book. Two and four you know. I actually dedicated the book to my mom. As as i mentioned she had been on medications and she actually passed away after. Twelve your battle with alzheimer's which we now also know is food related. So i dedicated to her. But i'm actually writing it for. I think the future generations. I i have this vision of kind of rewriting family histories through changing our food traditions. Because as you know basically are genetic factors for heart disease and other chronic diseases are secondary to lifestyle and food and if we can focus on the lifestyle and food not taking away anything because obviously we'll take away the dairy and meat but not taking away the flavors and You know the joy of eating. That's why my book. I wanted to lead with that joyful element because when you're talking about heart disease that's not something that you typically associate with joy but i think learning to live in a way that we don't have to have that is the joyful aspect of this and it's as close as our kitchens. Yeah yeah in the book. I know about baxter. Dr batra montgomery also gave you a really nice endorsement as well cardiologists from houston but basically how african american women are on the front lines A national health healthcare crisis. Right now really. You know In a proportionately higher rate than than most than most americans. And so. I think what i if i remember reading in the book. You mentioned how you know. We basically need to challenge the the current status quo and and re imagine what our food traditions looked like which to me is spot on. Exactly right yes. I am very passionate about that. And that's the journey. You know. I've been on and the statistics that you mentioned are really really compelling to me and are still compelling Almost half of all americans as you know have some form of heart disease for black women. It's about forty eight percent but the but the compounding factor that makes that pitcher more dire is that we're probably sixty percent or so more likely To have high blood pressure and were about twice as likely to die from the effects of heart disease and we died on earlier age. And then we have a similar pattern for diabetes. So it's really. It is a an epidemic for the whole country and people and communities of color were often at the worst end of those statistics. What's at the root of that. Why do you think that is there. Many reasons are as you know. Obviously we talk about the food but food is related to resources. It's related to your ability to live in a place where you have access to good food to fresh foods in many urban communities we have what are known as a food deserts where i live right next to a flu. Food desert right here in houston where for probably a radius of four or five miles in densely populated area. You don't find many grocery stores that have a lot of fresh produce young and you find it. It's not that appealing in its high priced so ability to be able to get to good food and to have the knowledge to know how to how important it is now what we do have a lot of access to fast food. I mean there's one of those on mcdonald's or not to point to anybody because they're all here but they're everywhere and you have a lot of convenience stores with mostly processed packaged food on the shales. A lot of people. Just stop in and get that so. That's readily available so these are problems And then the educational part of it is something. I want to address where people understand how important it is to feed our health and not our illnesses. I think i've heard so. I mean you're well aware as is most of the country right now that we are being swept up right now in the this is really like a plant based era that we're in right now. It's truly phenomenal. How far the movement has come since my father started his research at the cleveland clinic in one thousand nine hundred four and was called a quack right for by by even by fellow doctors and cardiologists thinking. Oh my god. There's no connection between food and heart disease. You gotta be kidding me right but now everywhere you turn. It's like plant based for the health plant based sustainability plant based for the environment plant based you know for for compassion plant based right. I mean it's like i so hopefully starts to rule supreme. I've heard that one of the fastest growing segments are african african americans which is like fantastic game. I right it is. I'm so pleased to have seen those statistics There was one study. that said Basically black americans are about What is it several times more likely to identify as vegan carrion in the us than the general population. So i've actually seen that before i heard the statistic. I actually noticed that because in my business. I traveled a lot and what i would always do. I would always look for vegan plant based restaurants in and back ten fifteen years ago. They weren't a whole lot of them. But i would find the ones that that that i could find in whatever city i was going to and i you know i would look forward to that part of my trip and when i go to these places almost everywhere you'd see. A large percentage of african americans actually frequenting those. Those restaurants are phase of whatever. You'd see a lot of people working there and you'd see a lot of black owned vegan restaurant so i was really a thrill to see that early on and now it's more so i've got three or four right within four or five blocks house. Yep yep now. I mean we really. It's like we got We got to be rebels like rebels against the standard american diet. That is not doing anybody any favors. And as we've talked about you know so much. So african americans. So let's let's figure out a way to you know band together and and give the finger to to meat and dairy and processed refined foods and all the added sugar and all that literally crap that is the show pervasive right now in this culture. Yes absolutely and you mentioned your father and on such a big fan of his I learned about him through. Dr montgomery actually app. Because they were you know colleagues away and his work has been so phenomenal and along with folks like dr Dish and i quote them in my book. Because i'm such a ban at. They love your dad's quote that says something like We've got to learn how to turn off the faucet instead of mopping the floor. Ryan basic what he needs. It address the root cause of the epidemics of lifestyle diseases not just maintenance and management of symptoms. Exactly it's exactly right. I mean everything that we're doing right now. I should say most physicians doing. It's it's yeah. They're not turning off the faucet instead they're just treating treating the symptoms with pills and procedures then angioplasties and open heart surgery and statin medications which which is not turning off the faucet not in any way shape or form. So let's talk about you so you had a powerful experience. I think it was about eleven twelve years ago. That really kinda altered. Your trajectory trajectory can you. Can you describe that for us at absolutely well. I'll just back up a few steps and save at Third early thirties I started to notice my body. Changing and i noticed that when i eat my typical fast food lunch burgers fries fried chicken and pizza. And you're from texas so you may be familiar with boudin. I love buddha. Which is a louisiana sausage. But i noticed after the lunch that type of lunch i would have absolutely zero energy. My energy what flatland about mid afternoon and i could i just had to drag myself and so i started to pay attention to what i ate At lunchtime and then how. I felt afterwards little by little i just started Changes i cut out the first thing i thought was shipley doughnuts and then shortly thereafter it was the fried chicken and so over the next twenty years. I started to eat primarily vegetarian diet. I say primarily. Because i still ate deary eggs fish And then in my fifties my blood pressure started to creep up. And i'm thinking wait a minute. This is not supposed to happen to me i am. I've been eating pretty good better than most people that i know An active you know. Why is this happening. But it did And ina sounds like for you back then and most a lot of people. You know a vegetarian diet. You're the only thing you really were omitting. It sounds like was red meat and chicken but you still had everything else. Yeah that's pretty much true. I i still ate the fish in chee. I love cheese. I eat lots of cheese Yes in milk. Yes that is correct. Yep okay sorry to interrupt go ahead. It's okay so so basically what happened was i had to go on blood pressure medications and I i remember the day that i feel the prescription from my general practitioner. Because he had rasmi me. I was in denial. I didn't wanna do it. And i knew that i had to and i did so i actually was depressed. You know i felt like a failure you know. I felt like everything i had done. You know to to try to be healthier had not worked and i also started to wonder if you know my family history was was my destiny. Maybe i couldn't avoid it so it was really traumatic for me but but the thing the two incidents that really made me realize that i had to go further and i couldn't give up And just rely on medications. The i was. I was in my yard. Doing yard work. Got up quickly and felt like i was going to faint and so that had not happened to me before so i wasn't sure if it had a relationship to the meds is started taking or not But what. I found out later as i began to monitor my my blood pressure. I would do it twice a day once in the morning once in the evening and i noticed that my evening readings were about ten to fifteen points lower. Pretty consistently so thing was predicated in terms of the medication on what happened in the doctor's office in the daytime which was calibrated. That way. I think that that had part was part of the reason But the one incident. That was the showstopper for me. When i absolutely knew i had to make a change Was one day out. When i decided to take an elderly friend for lunch. It was about fifteen minutes from her house. The restaurant we got in the car got on the freeway were laughing. We're talking having a good time. And all of a sudden i started to fade. i started to feel like to actually blackout. I remember gripping the steering wheel. I was in a state of panic. Because i had this elderly woman in the me and i was trying to not let her see. You know the terror that i was feeling in the only thing i could think of was to try to get off the freeway. That was the only thing. I was focused on so i was able to to make it to the next exit ramp. I got off the freeway and as soon as we got on the road it just past the feeling just went away like it never happened and we were only a couple of blocks from the restaurant so i wasn't about to get back on the freeway so we went ahead had lunch actually had a nice time And nothing happened. But i knew from that point what could have happened. What could have been the result. Not just for me. But for my friend and i said i've got i've got to go further shortly after that i got introduced or i should say referred to dr montgomery and that was the turning point from from there. And so he's the one that suggested that you kind of go go all in and eliminate the processed oils and even some of the you know the most of the nights and kind of more like my father and dino programs absolutely absolutely and he actually as you may know he went a step further. And i'm not sure still doing that. I think he has but he is a big fan of for detox for purposes a wa in healing purposes awry diets. So i actually did that for almost a year or so And then once. I had improved. My readings were better. They weren't really where i wanted them to be They were better and getting more consistent. I started adding banking and some of the cook foods. I could eat some nuts and things like that. Yeah so talk. So we've skipped over the experience that happened eleven years ago. That was kind of transformation for you to which one i think you were at a retreat in california. The love story. The love story with yourselves out asked me about that. Nobody asked me about that. So thank you. Yeah so yes. My my mom had passed away Some months earlier I was headed toward burn out at work And so i decided to give myself a break and assigned it up to go to this little spa in the desert. Nothing fancy i mean we were in these low cabins middle of nowhere but the woman who ran the spot who owned the spa Pretty much changed my life you know in in in in a moment And that moment came in a session. She taught some basically nutrition classes. She taught yoga. She was like sixty something. Which seems fairly ole to be then for all the energy that she had. She was like so exuberant but she. She said to us in one of the classes she had. She had a quietly and she said i want you to picture something i want you to picture The trillions of cells. That make up your body and i want you to reflect on the fact that no matter what you do whether it's helpful to them or whether it's harmful they do their very best to keep you well tirelessly twenty four seven. They've been doing this since your conception and they will do it throughout your life and she said this is the definition of unconditional love and it struck me because first of all i was ever really thinking about you know my sales period. You know what was happening But that night when it went back to my little cabin just bride. I mean i. Just mood for maybe. I don't know how long it was like a long longtime probably was only fifteen twenty minutes that your that image. I could not get that image out of my mind of you. Know all of this energy going into my wellbeing and unjust oblivious to it. And i'm doing a lot of things to make it harder for my body to work for me so again and i think that we make changes We have a compelling reason to do so and then when you have a compelling reason and then you start to see the power of food it is. That's the joyful part because there is a solution to these issues that we face and it's very simple and it's accessible. We'll return to our interview in a sec. But i i have a few updates. That i wanna share with you. I know that i've been talking a lot about the upcoming food launch. It seems like for probably six to seven weeks now and i can officially say that the last truck has been loaded and we are just about ready to open our digital doors to unveil our brand new foods next week. That's right next week to celebrate and because food is so central to our community. It's what binds us together we are excited to announce a new podcast series plan. Strong snack couples. This many pod will dish on all things food. And my co host will be jessica haggerty. She is the vp of product innovation. Here at plant strong and will share what. We're eating what we're excited about. And the trends that are that are worth watching. I hope you'll tune into this new show. It's gonna launch june fifteen. Also watching june fifteenth is our summer session of the rescue 10x mindset mastery program so when i wrote the engine to diet and the engine two diet seven day rescue it was from my viewpoint as a firefighter as a first responder And i i felt an obligation to share the news about plant based nutrition to allow people to rescue themselves from the chronic disease death traps that come from eating the standard american diet and one shoe know this information you you become the fire lieutenant of your life and you now hold the you hold the fire. Hose to rescue yourself. One meal and one fork full at a time over the years though i have discovered that for many people it takes more than just knowing the truth and reading the information to be able to apply the principles and put it to work. Life is we have learned. This past year is full of unexpected obstacles. That seemed to get in the way of our success. And that's why we created the rescue. 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This retreat is filling up fast. And it's the only remaining retreat for two thousand and twenty one come test drive the lifestyle here will class lectures eat insane. Plan strong food and enhance your life in every possible. Way for details visit planned. Strong dot com. Now let's get back to shera aguirre. Well you know everything you just said is so true. It's amazing how right since since we we come out of the you know since we're birth are trillions and trillions trillions and trillions. I think we have right around forty trillion cells that make us up. But you're right. They want us to be healthy. That's what they're striving for and we do most of us do everything we can to basically bash them and try and abuse them and not not take care of them and and so. I think what you've described here as well as you know. You had the high blood pressure that was affecting you and a myriad of of ways probably the beginnings of of heart disease. And when you turn in you're able to turn the ship around but it's amazing when you eat the right. Eat the right food in your mouth and you start treating these cells properly. How quickly you can write the ship right. That's it's been abused for literally decades and decades and decades and it's yeah it's a testament to the remarkable nature of the human body and its ability to not only persevere through the storms but also when the weather's nice to really out and shine for you and flourish right absolutely so. Can you talk a little bit more about the plan. You followed so you know you said that it was it. Sounds like it was combination between or initiative Embassador montgomery right. It was a lotta sheriff in there too. Because one of the things that i talk about in the book is Mindful eating In in that part of mindful living. But i had to learn how to pay more attention to my body because i think that our bodies the final judge of what we do. You know whether it's working for us or is not working for us. It'll let us know but we just have to pay attention. We have to listen. We have to respect the messages and understand that no physician or you know food guru. Ken taylor something exactly needs. They can give us really good guidelines but a lot of it. Is you learn along the way and i had to learn along the way There was a point. Even after. I had gotten my blood pressure to a really good level that i developed the habit of eating too many nuts too much fat and so it was healthy fat. I was eating like Almonds walnuts But i was eating too much of it. And so i was wondering then. My blood started to creep back up again. I'm thinking well wait a minute now. It kind of like the same feeling i had when my vegetarian diet you know was not protecting me from high blood pressure. I i remember reading that in the book. And it's under a section where you talk about healthy fats. I processed oils. And how i think. Maybe you're like okay. I got this right. I've i've been. I've i've i've i'm on top of my blood pressure. I'm feeling great and so you slowly started introduce nuts. I think you even said olive oil. I even got away from it in the started. We'll just put a little bit on it. But you know when. I when i when my blood pressure started to grow up again again. I said okay. My body's something something been doing is not working the way it has been so i had to really start paying attention to what i was eating every day and how much and when i did. I was eating fifty percent of my calories in fats. Your fifty cents wealth. You know in that in that. That's a lot a lot but think about it. Think about it. 'cause you're when you're eating predominantly a whole foods plant based diet and you're consuming. I'm just do not. How many handfuls of nuts consuming maybe three or four a day five k. I would say a good three okay day so you know so. Each each small handful of nuts is a little shy of two hundred. So that's six hundred calories and then you add and then you add in your olive oil right. With a hundred and twenty a tablespoon. Let's just say you're doing two of those we're almost. We're almost up to nine hundred nine hundred calories from a mess almost one hundred percent fat yes nuts and the olive oil. So if you're if you're consuming two thousand twenty two hundred calories until talapity. Yeah i mean you're easily gonna be at fifty percent so well that's in. That's but that's a fascinating experiment that you did. And it's amazing. How as you said you were mindful to what was going on and you made the connection and you knew exactly what to rectify yet to it. Took me a minute. But i i finally figured it out and i was shocked to to see how much fat knows actually eating so it was a good lesson in. I think that part of what i talked about in the book is that eating plant basis. The foundation for preventing lifestyle chronic diseases. Everything vegans not healthy. You still have to pay attention to your body in what you're eating because obviously french fries or or be right if you fry industrial oil vegan but you know again there. Many restaurants now who are featuring a wide array of vegan food particularly vegan comfort food and. I'm really happy to see that. I'm happy to see it. Because younger people are getting introduced to it in a way that they can relate to it and enjoy it but as we get older we have to modify the plan a little bit. You can't keep going. At that rate. You know even with vegans eating that much that example or salt or sugar. I just you know inhering in hearing that story about you doing the oil and doing the nuts and you know getting up to fifty percent of your calories coming from fat it just makes me wonder and you're eating for the most part like super healthy right that you just doing a couple things right. Were know not in your in your favor. I'm imagine the typical american and what they're doing themselves. I mean i think it's i. I would imagine that. Average american is eating well over fifty percent of their calories from fat. You know. I would not doubt that at all when i see the commercials for the double cheeseburger with cheese in the bread and cheese on top. And you know the pizza with the stuff cheese and then you've got the meat on of allah at. Its a lot. It is a lot. It's a recipe for the epidemic of heart disease. That were seeing yup well and and i just heard a quote this morning that we're now is as a nation were up to forty. Three percent of americans are now considered not just overweight but considered obese right and I think as you alluded to hear in your book but you know African american women are really taking the brunt of this right now. And i think i saw that close to eighty two or eighty three percent of of african. American women are now considered Obese so i mean that is that is just It's not sustainable. It's scary isn't it and You know the Communities of color are challenged with access to healthcare that is another reason for health disparities. So you combine you know the lack of access to quality healthcare with you know a diet that a typical low income person would probably default to because it's it's available it's cheap. It's engineered to taste good. That's that's a p for disaster and you find that also in in most low income communities not just african american and one of the hardest hardest hit communities is really a native american community. Yeah yup well you know. It's interesting i i love you. Have some really fantastic quotes in your book. One of them. You started out chapter one. And i'll just read right now. It's the greatest medicine of all. Is teaching people how to need it right. I mean how not to need Medication how we we literally. We live in a country right now. We don't have a healthcare system. We have a sick care system and we got gotta teach people the principles that are in your book so that they can avoid the doctor the doctor's office and medications and hospitals. And i mean. I literally i don't know about you share. I can't remember the last time that i was in a hospital for well. That's not true. I broke my ankle about a year and a half ago but other than that. I can't remember the last time. I was in a doctor's office for anything more than just an annual checkup i mean. That's that's that's what we call. That's what i would call. Good self care and i think i think self care is the new healthcare and i think i heard that from jane. Your sister shot at at a conference. really wonderful conference for women in nineteen But that's that that phrase struck me. Because i think that's so true and i think the pandemic has all made the obvious because we now see the frailties of our of our healthcare system. So i think it's incumbent upon us to do everything we can to You know to stay healthy on our own and yes we still want good healthcare but we want healthcare. Not sick here. Yeah no but you you absolutely just hit on when you said the the covid nineteen pandemic has absolutely exposed. I think down to the core the the fragile state of our healthcare system and even more than that the fragile state of of how we as a culture have gotten it wrong when when it when it comes to healthcare and we need to embrace self care and whole plant based goodness. It's really so the what's so crazy. Is the answers show simple. It's so simple but you know what the problem is right it. Well it's time but it's also money You know our food system at is is probably the biggest piece of our economy. There's so much money on the status quo the subsidies to the meat and dairy industry for The food and drug administration's kind of slow Ability to change kind of even the basic food information that goes out so they're very slow to criticize anything that has to that will shake up the economic order of the food industry. So that is part of the problem. Too it's And then you look at the pharmaceutical industry a similar problem. It's hard to get people to focus on telling the physicians that distribute their products to just tell them to go food. That's not a good business model for them. So i think there's gonna be some public You know in the public arena advocacy for changes that that are really would address kind of some systemic problems with just our whole food. Our food economy. Yeah no that was very well said shera. And you're right it is. It's very systemic. Runs very deep and we we we need to shake it up in a big way but it is a big ocean liner. That is just going cutting through the water. Right now and needs needs to be needs to be righted. Can you talk for a second. I i love the way in your book. you talk about. Not only you know eating food mindfully but also europe your appreciation of simple whole plant based foods and how wondrous they truly are. Now i mean i. I think one of the examples that i talk about the book is my little persimmon jazz growth in east texas and they grew wild and there was a patch of Of asymmetry between my house and my grandmother's house. And i would walk down there. And i'd cancel them so i learned that the variety that That grew while there. You'd have to wait till it was really right because if you didn't ebid into it was it would just make your mouth pucker. And it was. It was not pleasant. So i bought this one at a grocery store and i didn't realize it was different variety so i i was waiting for it to soften to get to that perfect. You know a place where i could eat it but it was still pretty sitting having slow basket. I keep fresh grew on my cower and every day i'd look at it and so pretty and i touch it was still too far but eventually i said you know what this has been sitting here now for. Maybe three weeks said. I'm not gonna let this persimmon go ban on. So i cut it. It was perfection. I mean it was perfection. Would you slice it. you know. Have a wolf star. Pattern is in the middle. That was so you know just pretty and the color was beautiful. And i took a bite of it. Oh my god wrote so good part of it. I think was because i waited so long to taste every seven that when we did it was just wonderful and i also said you know it's this little Didn't need anything. it didn't need to be sugar. The need to be baked. You know. it didn't need anything. It was perfection. And i think there are moments. You know like that with you know. Sometimes i have the same experience. Just eating a fresh fresh corn off the cob when it's really crunchy and sweet and just learn how to pay attention to those kinds of things into really enjoy them and reflect on how available and simple good health can actually be how delicious and fun. It can be if we take time to appreciate what we have. Yeah no. I couldn't agree with you more. I i too have come to appreciate like the the nuanced sophistication of something as simple as a car car or a champagne mango that. I cut in half an appeal. Eat it and i'm like there's nothing in the world that that can compare to this. I mean i'm just l- right now. I am immersed in this experience and love it more than anything else you know you mentioned in the book and i couldn't agree with you more like a great salad with all these different greens and a vula and and the bitterness and right on how they just all meld together and pretty pretty wonderful. You have a quote that. I wanna that i want just read because i i love your attitude about being being vegan eating mindfully and eating healthily. You say this is not about being a purist. It's about having the healthiest most enjoyable food possible. In whatever situation we find ourselves. And that's exactly how i look at it too. It's like this adventure right. So if i'm traveling. I figure out a way to you. Know to game the system and make it work and you. You actually have a whole little section in your book on gaming restaurant menus right right. What's your system. Can you share that with us. Yeah it's it's it's simple but but it was fun to discover suck again in my business life. I often had business lunches. So i would have to take people to launch. That did not eat the way i did in. I wanted them to enjoy themselves. So i had to base the choice of the restaurant on what they would want but also had to figure out how i could have a nice meal so i went to the chain I guess should mitch brands. That a steakhouse not an steakhouse. But you know a nice steak house and so. What i've learned to do is is scan the menu for ingredients. So i i look at the salads. I look at the what they call. Besides which for me the maine's and out you know. In the steakhouse every salad had either chicken or fish or beef or shrimp on it or in it or some were involved. So what i what. I what i do. And what i did in that case you know when the waiter came over. There's a way you have to do this. Because you know y- waiters aren't used to people like reinventing the menu. They just want you to take number one or number two. I always let my guests go first. Because they're going to be easy. And then what i did was i said you know. I see the spinach salad. I really would like the spinach salad But can you upsize it. Can you super size it for me. Because that's going to be really my entree ac- you have some avocados in this other salad. Could you add those. And i see. There's some nuts over here. At that time i was. I still eat. That's but i had them. Put the book. Some were cons. Yeah and i said you know what pico de mayo i love. We live in texas. We know what pika guile is. It's a a mexican kind of salsa or are dish. That's used for but i said you know i'd like some of that on my salad because basically it's tomatoes. It's it's some jalapeno pepper. I said i'd love that And so basically when. I got my my salad by business. Friend says wow. That looks pretty good. Because they're so colorful. Plant based whole fresh foods are just so beautiful you know with all the colors and so but when i finish that neil. I was so satisfied. Because with the i had the protein i needed i had nuts. It had avocado. It had flavor it had everything could asked for. And so that's what i advise people will do is just scan for you. Know for for ingredients. Start with the base menu item. That's the closest to what you want end in. Take away what you don't want an ad stuff you find from other items to it. Yup yup brilliant and easy and as you said in your book. You've done this in created some really masterpieces that have have them scratching their head going. I think we should add this to the menu acting. Toby our actually told that about that salad at a steakhouse. It's nice so i it's hard for me to believe that you're seventy two it really is. I mean you look so remarkably vibrant and healthy and you fall. What else do you do. I kind of on a daily basis besides eat plans drawn. Well you know. I started meditation and yoga about twenty five years ago. And i have to say that that is that routine that i do in the mornings when i wake up is the most important part of my day when i travel even when i was running a business. I still stuck to that you know. I have probably more frequent flyer meditation miles than anybody. I know because if i had to get on a plane and fly somewhere you know i would get up do my yoga but to save you know an extra thirty minutes. I would just meditate on on the flight and people would leave me alone because they thought it was napping. You tell me this so you've been doing this about twenty five years and it sounds like you've you've got a great routine that that you've That you've embraced. What what is it typically look like. How long do you meditate. How long do you do yoga. What time do you wake up. Well i usually get up around. You know eight or so because i m writing now and doing other things so i don't have to get up and jump on a plane and so the first thing i do meditate for thirty minutes so share you are. You're imitator you love meditating. i don't meditate. I wanna start to meditate. I've heard so many fantastic things about it. How how do i begin. What like what do you recommend i do. Well i think i think Find someone to who is a meditative and let them kind of give you their method. And maybe meditate with you. There are places you can go to find coaches can find. There's different traditions of meditation. Transcendental meditation is The tradition that i was trained in And it is really effortless. So i think it fit me because it's not a matter of concentration or a lot of effort to of the biggest thing starting is to be able to sit quietly for five minutes ten minutes and then you build your way. Slow up to a longer period but i remember. It was hard for me to sit still for five minutes when i started Over time you know you get into a rhythm of it and the other thing that's been very useful is. It's really good to kind of book in your day with it. Like if you're gonna do five minutes to start in the morning do another five minutes between eight and twelve hours before your before you go to bed or before you have your dinner or something like that because you get into a rhythm. That's really helpful as well. So do you ever go a day anymore where you don't meditate or is it just something you have to do like brushing your teeth. You know what i would. I would not brush my teeth before i would. Not that would not be good now because you know what Here's what i will say after. Twenty five years of meditating and even when i was five or ten years into it. It really changed the way that i moved through the world. I mean it changes the way i look at things changes the way that things look to me and the world in change so it was the change up on my side but it's a different is just a different way of being. I think meditating gives you a space to make decisions A lot of times we just react to situations with meditation. You start to realize there is space choice. And so i think that has been the most practical benefit of it that i can be in a very stressful situation and i can kind of step back in observed myself in the situation and make choices as to how i want to deal with. Yeah no. I've i've heard that that by other people as well. I was actually listening to a podcast. That tim ferriss. Had jerry seinfeld. Jerry seinfeld is a huge proponent of transcendental meditation does it every day and says it you know he said start like you said he said start with five minutes to start with five minutes and he also does the same thing with writing. He says if he says writing show hard to start with five minutes and then ten fifteen twenty interesting a plant based eating right sometimes to start with adding a few more veggies. And then you just go from there and make these little tweaks exactly so speaking of veggies. You have a really delicious recipes section as well in your new book. Have buckwheat pancakes you've got indian vegetable curries broccoli keen walk corn bread onion rings. I mean that are baked. That totally speaks to us. You got a raw cash orrock raw cashew chocolate cheesecake. I wanna make that apple. Chris you also have a dish. It's african sia bodine pronounced. Do you have do not pronounce it in. What is it yeah. That's funny because you did better than i did. The first time i was in senegal to to eat it and it was presented. But it's shovel jin it's gen is is how yeah you'd never know that from the spelling. It's it's basically plant based because it's the the base of it is rice but rice in senegal. Senegal has a real really beautiful infusion of traditional african cuisine and french because it was formerly a french colony and so those cuisines you know blended together are wonderful and it's a bed of rice and then it satirizes infused with spices. So it's not like you're playing white rice and your vegetables. Now it's like you can just eat the rice by itself and then you have all these vegetables You know calabasa they call it or squash. You have carrots. You have Green beans you have cabbage you have. What is the potato. yucca yucca. Amin it's just a wonderful and then you have like two or three different sauces. Everything's in so but then the part that makes it not deegan. Is that typically. You would add to that top fish. A whole fish or lamb or chicken so it's really easy to convert that into vegan. You just leave off the lamb fish or the chicken and then you know some of the other tweaks made was just to reduce. I'm not sure if i had limited oil initially now i have a but to have less oil but the flavors are just so delicious with almost sounds like a like a little bit so just for people that are that are listening. I'm going to spell this word. And then i want you to say again so it's spelled. He h. i. e. b. as in boy. Oh you dis and dog i. e. m. e. and it's pronounced what again sheberghan scheppach that that is wild That is right well shera. This has been absolutely delightful so if people want to get a hold of you or follow you. Where do they go for for that. And where can they go to get a copy of joyful delicious vegan. Thank you so much It's the release. Status is may twenty fifth. Which is a day. we're recording now but it's Available pretty much. Wherever books sell so online at amazon barnes and noble most bookstores. i like to moat indie bookstores. Because i think there are really important part of the landscape when it comes to books and reading but you can do all of that online. My website share a geary dot. Com has links to all of those that you can go to purchase or you can go directly to whichever bookseller lake that. You'd like to get the book we'll share. This has been really. This has been delightful. You really are joyful such a breath of fresh air and thank you for getting this book out into the universe and for your kind of your commitment and dedication to helping others. What thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure and I'm a big fan of again your whole family and i haven't met you but having that your father lonner and having attended the conference was wonderful and the work that you guys are doing. I can't tell you how much of an impact with make. So thank you thank you so hey will you hit me with a with a with a fist-bump plan strong shera you got it planning. Yes thank you so much. Sheriff for being such a glowing example of the far reaching effects of plan. Strong way of life. When you live the mantra self care is the new healthcare it can and will reverse your own lifestyle disease but by changing yourself from the inside out it can also have a lasting effect on your families and the communities in which you serve now that my friends is powerful and so so simple. I want to share with you an interesting side note in her book. Sheriff acknowledges the support of her two daughters ten be an attica locke both of whom are award winning novelist themselves new york times bestsellers as well as actors and advocates. Tambi is the author of the book from scratch a memoir of love sicily and finding home which was selected as one of reese. Witherspoon book club. Picks and attica is the author of multiple books including her latest heaven. My home and both of both their books have been picked up by net flicks to be made into films. That's pretty darn cool. So the apple of time and passion definitely didn't fall far from the tree. Congratulations to all of you. And thank you shera. Thank you for inspiring all of us to rewrite our family histories with lessons and stories from your book joyful delicious vegan. Thank you for listening to the plan. Strong podcast you can support the show by taking a quick minute to follow us. 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042. Argo (2012)

SpyHards Podcast

1:36:51 hr | 5 months ago

042. Argo (2012)

"Hello and welcome to spy. Hards pocus where your hosts go deep undercover in the world of spy movies to decipher witch films. Make the noc list but remember this. Information is strictly for your is only i in scope. And i'm cam the provocateur. And cam infiltrating the cost this week posing as a studio executive we have jewels from the riddle me that true crime. Poku heather joel's hey guys. I'm happy to be here well. Yeah you're actually the first true crime. Podcast we've ever had on the show. Well that's exciting so no pressure. You're representing whole brand here. No fresher set the tone for all who will follow you. You are the pioneer okay. I'll try to do everybody proud in the true crime world then allies on you but before we talk about your shirt like just tell us a little bit about about yourself and how you go into focusing okay. So i've always been interested in true crime. And i got really into podcasts. Maybe i don't know three years ago. Four years ago. I started listening to serial and then i listened to the cold my favorite murder generation. Y all those shows. And i got really really hooked and in may i finish my phd. I didn't transfer personal counseling. And i really didn't know what i wanted to do and i wasn't kind of like we live in malaysia. So i didn't really know by going to get a job. What am i gonna do. But i was in a unique position where i could kinda devote all of my time to something. That's always interested me. And that i felt really passionate about almost felt like i would regret it if i didn't give it a try and that was kind of starting a true crime. Podcast in. it's definitely been a journey. Okay i mean for me. I i always say with with true crime. I'm always a bit too. I always have trouble listening to it because it's always. The story is quite hard hitting the real life stories and very harrowing at times. Do you have trouble dealing with these stories and trying to present them in positive ways getting information. Now how do you deal with all of that. Yeah it can be quite difficult. I think you need to really do certain. Cases when you intuitively feel like it's a good idea for me for me. It's particularly difficult when it's cases involving children. Those those cases really stick with me. They resonate with me because you know. Oftentimes we know so little about the children and they don't really have a voice you know in there aren't as many people to speak for them like there are adults so yeah. I'm i recently. Did the case of 'em you guys might be familiar with eric. Carter lending dean from the true consequences. Podcasts i did have a long form coverage on his brother jacob blandine story and there's some movement in the case which is really great but stories like that deserve to be told but as a creator. You have to kind of know the right time for you personally to tell them because it can take an emotional toll. When you're kind of diving into this darkness. So i think for me. It's just about making sure that. I take a step back and practicing self care and knowing could've knowing to separate those two things at the end of the day and i do admit even even i find that really really challenging but i do try to just go with my gut with regards to which case to go with next. Why have a question for you because when it comes to like preparing this podcast scott and i don't really have that much work you know. We have to watch the movie. Do some research on the background. But when i listen to true crime podcast. It seems like it would be a lot of daunting work. Just to put a one episode. I'm curious what the processes for putting together an episode. Okay so i'll tell you both for when i first started. It was just me talking to microphone. I quickly got really really bored with that. Because i would much prefer to engage with somebody and discuss analyze the details. Because that's very much how my mind works. I prefer to kind of go through the minutiae like nitpick little details in hope that we get kind of closer to understanding but when i first initially started it would kind of be writing out a script that would be for me usually around ten thousand twelve thousand words for one hour whereas i often do collaborations now so you know depending on the case depending on you know if i'm the one telling the story it's usually going to be three parts if it's ten thousand words. Do you know what. I mean like. I just did A three part on. Amy fitzpatrick with shayna from you should have ghosted. I think it was twelve thousand words. Maybe fourteen thousand but it ended up being three parts that i released over a week. So yeah it can be quite a bit of research and quite a bit of work with regards to writing. But now i also have different people come on the show until mia story and then we analyze it as we go through. So that doesn't require any research or writing from me. It just requires kind of be knowing the story usually and then being able to contribute or add to that and then you know we really break it down. So i like both i like both formats but yeah there's absolutely is not just kind of going. Okay i know about this. I'm going to get in front of a my concert talking like. I wish she could do that. Maybe some people can. But i need to be prepared and i need to be scripted to a degree otherwise i i'm not gonna sound intelligent scott. I don't worry about that. Yeah you're in the right place. Don't worry it's interesting. You mentioned the amy fitzpatrick sides. Because that's what. I was actually listening to early today because it was funny because i've actually spent a lotta time in malaysia. Oh really yeah. I'm in. I'm in england. We tend to take holidays in spain. costa del sole pov. Spain is jimmy. Where a low of people in britain to all day. And i've i've been countless times disappearing. happened is a terrifying. Just the same. I was a young kid malibu myself. Yeah it's gotta kinda hit home when it's like oh like i've been in these places you know. I've of mixed probably maybe similar circles. You know being a kid being there. And i know i'll brit's loved to go to spain's baynes amazing. I can see why they would wanna live there. I mean ireland by all accounts is beautiful. But you know it's rainy right. It's sort of like england so the idea of going somewhere sunny like that would be and getting to live. There would be like me moving to malaysia. Right I'm well now. You've jumped over to a spy. Movie cost we have a couple of spying related questions for you. This is just a vet you basically so the first question off the bye is what is your favorite spine movie. My favorite spy movie. I think is mr and mrs smith. I have only love no mention that one yet. I'm excited to hear a different answer than we often get the casino royale. Or what have you the mission. Impossible's i'm excited to your something different. Yeah i mean. Don't get me wrong. All movies are great but there was just something so fun about watching brad brad pitt and angelina jolie playing mr and mrs smith. It was the movie that the two of them fell in love making before they got married and there is so much scandal attached to it because he was so married to jennifer aniston. So the backstory behind the movies also really interesting definitely was i remember all the drama swirling around that but it was a box office hit. It wasn't a movie that you know faced any repercussions Related to the kind of scandal surrounding. And what. I do like the born movies like that would be close. Second probably okay. Do you have a favorite born film of the group. I can't even think offhand which one will be my favorite I don't know why the bourne supremacy is coming in my head. But i don't know if that's my favorite or not it's mine so it makes sense so that was our favorite. Yeah okay do you have any opinion on james bond daca favorite boned or viper bone. Fill ooh daniel crag absolutely love him as bond is it is a casino royale. More sky. Full actually like sky fall. Okay i'm about to the craig's eventually for his poker site. I haven't really watched him since the cinema releases. Oh really oh okay yeah. I'm looking forward to covering them again. But i've seen them many times. Now let's have a four one one on who's going to be the next bond. They feel on that well. You're five podcasts. Maybe we just really suck it. Actually being spies Yeah nothing's known at this point They won't be probably thinking about that until they've actually gotten no time to die into theaters and they're actually considering what to do next. I think the pandemic's kinda thrown a wrench and all that. So my guess is it's going to be someone that maybe great and the role. But i don't think people are going to be doing a backflip. So they announced the name. Unless it's the guy from bridge ten everybody is like talking about how he might be the next bond. I think they've already cost him in the row. Personally i i. I think it's him and i think they've already signed everything but they would have announced it by now if not i had come out the appropriate time when there was no corona vars. Is they disagree. I don't think they would ever hire anyone. While daniel craig still has a job because they do not one overshadow his final gig like they are going to probably leave about a year before they even talk to anyone. I think well okay. We disagree on something. But isn't the first time i think why would he leave bridgeton. He got a huge offer to comeback like. They offered a more and more money. What would be great enough to leave this. Hit show where. You're offered a ton of money to come back your beloved by so many people to hit netflix show. What would be good enough to leave. The role of james bond would be good enough to leap that i guess. We'll see well now today's movie now it's based on real events and that was one of the things that inspired me to approach you to join us jobs because you deal with true crime. And he's a true events and we've had a couple of film so far. They've had some basis in reality. We had matahari of course cannizzaro I'm forgetting macintosh. Man had some roots to a real case but it wasn't like a one to one translation. So this is probably the closes. We've had to read events to screen. Yeah i would say so. Yeah okay now we we've Oh no it actually. Isn't the courier which we covered fairly recently. Declassified series was actually pretty you know that was actually a real life story as well as very true which which we will again probably recover down the line. Well yeah but so. I think what we'll do is we'll inter the film. We have a special assignment. For the gills that wigan spring on you you have no idea about obesity. You've not prepared at all. Of course this is top secret but cam. What are we doing this week. We are going to tackle twenty twelve's argo the winner of best picture for that year directed by ben affleck. I actually have a story about this film but at jews. Did you see this to the mall or dramatic watching it when it came around the time. Yeah i think. I saw this in the theater. It was one of those movies that it was like a big deal. You know what. I mean ben. Affleck was directing it and his performance. Was you know the critics were raving about it. And so i remember seeing it and being pretty blown away. It was such an incredible story. When you know that it's based on real life events or you can yeah. I saw on theaters as well. It was one that i was kind of tracking a little bit before it was released I i knew little bits of the story. Not in any sort of depth. But i knew that it was kind of based on a very interesting real world event Also i had really loved ben. Affleck's gone baby gone and then also really enjoyed the town but gone baby gone for me was like the heights of the ben affleck director oriel career even to this date and so i was always lean forward to what he was going to do next and the buzz for this one was pretty strong. I remember at one top prize at the toronto film. Best film festival before released so definitely there was a lot of is on it so i was kind of counting the days till he opened this one. And i'm pretty sure sought opening weekend and very much enjoyed it. i remember this film distinctly which ultimately because usually i just don't remember the tool. I remember the buzz really penetrating to the point of me. Taking notes of film i. i wasn't really paying attention to anything. Other than sort of mainstream blockbusters which this isn't pitched as one. This is upon film. So i i think i i the or i ended up renting or buying it on release on home video. Dvd time. And i remember really enjoying it. I mean it was a mainstream hit like it actually did very well and at the box office so it it kind of maybe began life as something a little smaller but did it really become a across the board kinda hit. Yeah so. I think what we'll do is we'll do the synopsis to set up a film and then i think we have to special assignment up next so algo. The movie was fake. The mission was real as the iranian revolution reaches boiling point a cia. Exfiltration specialists could be a risky plan to free six americans who were found shelter at the home of the canadian ambassador perfect. I can't fault that. Luckily i did write it so. That's probably why it's so good as as i let him with. This is based on a true story. So joe's put you on the spot here as you are a true crime mukasa. I need you to tell the listeners. Some information about what happened around the time in the real events so of inspired this film Do you feel like you're up the task. I'm up to the task okay. I think we're going to lay down some background music to set the tone and basically the floor is yours all right so basically. The iran hostage crisis was astounded off of epic proportions. Between superpowers the us and iran amidst a rapidly shifting political landscape in iran so round was essentially rejecting the influence of the west and further emphasizing. This by literally holding americans hostage all of that which the former shah had in the country. The ayatollah was rejecting and this further underscored the anti-american sentiment that had come to a boiling point with his supporters. The americans who were held hostage were as you see in the movie at the american embassy but this part always seems strange to me. They weren't captured by the military but by a group of heavily armed iranian college students so these students belong to the muslim student followers. Of the imam's line so basically from the beginning they'd been the ones screaming the battlecry calling for revolution and now they'd gotten what they wanted. They were now in a position of power so they were holding the americans hostage and i'd had to be a way of consolidating power ensuring their position as well as showing their support for the ayatollah. This took place at the us embassy in tehran. So basically these poor unfortunate individuals were held by their captors for a staggering or hundred and forty four days. The we're talking over ear here. This was from november. Fourth nineteen seventy nine to january twentieth nineteen eighty one as one can imagine. This was incredibly embarrassing for america so this was obviously heavily covered in the press at the time but we need to consider that the twenty four hour news cycle may not have been what it is. Today this is pre advent of the internet the journalists who covered the story it as kind of an intersection of vendettas and mutual lack of understanding. This was an obvious clashing of cultures the infiltration of western culture and the subsequent rejection of all things american as it seems clear to many who viewed this as a source of their problems in iraq. So the hostages. Well it was clear that the act of taking the hostages was for no other purpose than to blackmail. The americans and nothing speaks more to america than holding their citizens hostage especially when the entire world is watching it. Strikes fear in the heart of everyone sitting in front of the tv glued to the events. Iranians well those in support of the ayatollah. Anyways saw this taking of hostages by the college students as making a move against the us as they believed that the us had been pervasive in their attempts to quell the brewing revolution. I mean this is obvious the. Us hadn't been shy about stating their support for the shah of iran. Mohammad raza hobby. Obviously when the revolution happened. He was overthrown in nineteen seventy nine. This made iran a place that was formerly safer. Americans dangerous so then. The shaw travelled to america. After he was overthrown he wasn't just living in exile. He had been diagnosed with cancer and was now receiving the appropriate treatments. So it's unclear. How accurate the accusations are because we all know histories written by the winners but he was now at a power and his reputation was being used by the current regime. Who is doing all they can. To discredit the shaw and his relations with america. Kind of making him into a quote unquote monster and to be honest. The complexities of the situation or too difficult to capture in the short right up. If you're interested please do your own research because i literally cannot even scratched the surface. My point is many leaders. The shah had a secret police and he was accused of human rights violations. This bold act by the students taking the american hostage. Well obviously america didn't look on it too fondly. They cited that. This was a violation of not only international law but it was a clear violation of the vienna convention. And we all know that this is a get out of jail free card for diplomats. So perhaps you're not familiar. But if a diplomat rape someone for example they cannot be charged with that crime. Thank the vienna convention. It's obviously not meant to shield them from things like that but it is an unintended consequence of shielding them from potential persecution. So the shaw doesn't retire in america. He eventually is granted asylum in egypt. And at this point he's a very sick man. He's essentially going there to die and he passes away on july twenty seventh nineteen eighty so argo into the six americans who became fake canadian movie stars scouting a movie to get them out of the country safely. This was a joint operation between canada. And the cia though. Initially the cia's role was diminished. This reason was two fold and they were successful and wanted to use a strategy again and secondly cia involvement in anything is not typically publicize heavily until many years later. Okay so back to the hostage crisis. It reached critical mass after a breakdown in diplomatic relations and negotiations they were essentially at a stalemate. It didn't appear the hostages. Were getting released. So then president. Jimmy carter sprung into action. He wanted to rescue the hostages with a mission. Titled this very patriotic american name operation eagle claw basically this operation. Who's going to utilize warships that were in waters close to iran. This operation was unsuccessful. There was another tragedy tied to this berry. Unsuccessful operation that left nine individuals dead one iranian. An eight american servicemen. Apparently there was an unmitigated air. Disaster when the helicopter crashed into a transport aircraft so following this upsetting and embarrassing incident. Heads going to roll the head that rolled here. Well that was cyrus vance who is likely forced to resign. I'm assuming it wasn't much of a choice after that incident. Okay so fast forward a bit and we have something that many people remember the iran iraq war the preceded the gulf war. While most of you listening won't remember it directly but the abstract idea of war and your parents speaking about it so this was obviously started when iraq invaded iran in september. One thousand nine hundred eighty so. This caused iran to change their harsh position on the us sort of so took the diplomatic path entering into negotiations. So friend to both sides. Algeria took on the role of peacemaker and mediated the peace talks. This led to the great thaw in the chilly relations between america and iran. Well any it was safe to say. It wasn't thought out completely. It still remain kinda frosty. So what happened to jimmy carter. As a result of his failed rescue attempt well many political scientists site this hostage crisis and has failed rescue mission as the reason he lost the nineteen eighty bid for presidency. So as far as the hostages go. There wasn't a chord named after the friendly mediator algeria. It was the aptly named algiers accord. The hostages were freed seriously. Like i kid. You not minutes after. Reagan was sworn it. That's in good publicity. Basically take credit for something. He had very little to do with a perfect scenario for any politician to fall into in the grand tradition of affluent. Powerful white men folly up. It appeared this happen to reagan in this instance in iran the crisis further strengthen the position of the ayatollah and economic sanctions followed due to this event. So like i guess you could say. The relations were pretty chilly still. They weren't as frozen as before as they had been free. Algiers accord so iran obviously wasn't happy about the sanctions so that about covers the background of the hostage crisis. Kind of underscores this entire movie boom. I'm very impressed. I think gave me a much deeper. Understanding of situation than the opening of this movie does think the movie does the best. That can't simple fight to away. The audience can understand but obviously there's so much more complexity than what they can get across in a couple of minutes of storyboards. And i would say if you ever needed any so prompting to go in this room that cost. You just heard it right there. Yeah that was it. I mean good low boiled on. Joel's congratulations You pass the test thank you. You can now rest easy for the rest of the poco. You can just chat about the film. Yeah it's now easy for you. But i am curious before we get into talking about the film. How did this get made from the ben affleck to the screen side of things right. Okay so There was an april. Two thousand seven wired magazine article called the great escape covering the details of this event and it was written by a guy joshua bearman and These company smokehouse pictures. Which is run by george. Clooney and grant heslop purchased the magazine with an option on it to make it into a film and sort of two thousand seven very shortly after it was published and The idea would be that. Perhaps george clooney with directed grant heslop was also probably looking for drug to'real on project as well he did the many start goats a little bit later but basically neither one of them had any time for it but what happened was One of their development execs now. Nina will ski recommended. Chris stereo who was then a fairly unknown writer. He had written directed a movie called heights in two thousand five with elizabeth banks. And glenn close. I don't know of this movie. i don't know of anyone who's ever seen it. But i guess somehow caught the eye of the right peop- of the right person because Chris tero joined it and he would go on the chris stereos guy who now has been attached to some very large things in the wake of argo. He had writing credits on batman. V superman dawn of justice. He did these x. neider justice league and he also did The co wrote Star wars episode nine so The most Auspicious of follow up projects through a first project. This is a pretty darn good one and so he wrote argo and he based it off of that magazine article as well as sections from the book master of disguise my secret. Life in the cia written by antonio mendez who is portrayed on screen by ben affleck He served in with the cia for twenty five years. Nineteen sixty five to nineteen ninety. And so chris stereo kind of massage this into a screenplay a very complicated story and We'll talk a little bit later. I think about maybe the differences between real life and you know fiction but his first draft that he wrote grant has love said it was the best first draft he'd ever read and unfortunately neither he nor clooney had time to make it so it kind of just sat there warner brothers. Had it basically in their possession for a while. Ben affleck received it in two thousand eleven. He was in atlanta while his wife. Jennifer garner was filming the odd life of timothy green and he burned through it. He said most of the time. He read scripts twenty pages at a time. This one. he just flew through and knew he wanted to do it. And so he called george clooney and grant heslop and said he wanted to. Maybe tackle this project but shift the total. I think it was a little more comedic in the initial draft. He wanted to make it a little more serious and so that was kind of where they went from there. Ben affleck chose his project over a hero film. now he does not specify what superhero film in the interviews. I saw with him but the way figure it. Ben affleck is a warner brothers guy He has a long relationship with one brothers. They've produced all of his movies that he's directed so it would seem to me if you look at the time period. Man of steel seems like the likely candidates. I remember there was a big search for a director of man of steel. Some well two things that i just picked up on firstly. I wonder if this script was so good. It was a sitting around hollywood for two or three years It makes you wonder what other scripts are out there right now. We'll have you ever heard. The blacklist are only from new mentioning. I think previous episode right. Yeah like every year they put out. Something called the blacklist which is the list of the best unproved screenplays. And you'll see that list. Every year they'll site you know ten examples for example of screenplays that are incredibly effective and well written and are produced and of that list. No maybe a couple of the mobile made but a lot of the won't so it just seems like well frankly unless you are a known property. You're probably not getting made. And sometimes you just need the right combination of factors producer. Attach themselves director money coming in. So that's kind of the case. Okay that makes sense. And the second i had was with a comedic version of this looks like i think the the benny hill theme playing over the bizarre. It would be a bit much but Yeah my guess is. It probably wasn't. I don't think it was a wildly comedic but it was probably a little more almost like coen brothers like or something like that where it just kind of probably amped up the absurdity of the situation in terms of the hollywood aspect so it wasn't like clown 'cause chasing the plane the android light that i doubt it. Okay running mean it's hard to understand argo is being comedic in the least like so many people say this about the exorcist. The if you played certain music or just shifted a few things. It would be funny. And i get that. I see how it could be kind of a funny movie. If just a few elements factors were shifted but argo just seems like it's such a sombre kind of story. How do you really make it comedic. I mean i'm sure that the you could do it successfully. It's just so hard because we have this idea of the movie and firmly in our minds. Already i think they would probably do is have the you know the people that they had to rescue will. They've got learner covers. I think there are probably more. You know kind of comedy. That could work out of that of them. Trying to get this cover story going up. You could probably amp up the hollywood stuff with the producer and you know John chambers is role. I think there's elements that you could. If you were to one approaches from a more comedic angle. There is that opportunity. Lester and john are actually pretty funny like there are some moments of comedy like john. Chambers is a pretty hilarious character and leicester's got that kind of dry humor but he does say some pretty hilarious things. The of the. I actually thinking about dues. Lean onto the absurd. Maybe you're right with us of cohen brothers. Approach thinking of life this table. Read everyone in costumes. Such yes i totally forgot about that. Yeah yeah like. I think there's a line two between being respectful versus You know Being just like a farce or something or just a complete ridiculous comedy. I don't think they were looking at it as a comedy. Just more kind of playing up the absurdity of the situation in crack all right whilst we go. Yeah so the movie was mostly shot in la. They did one month in turkey which stood in for ran. It had a budget of forty five million dollars which is pretty low For an original film especially a major studio film and domestically one hundred and thirty six million international ninety six for a worldwide total of two hundred and thirty two million dollars. This was a hit that may bank. I mean i. I was saying before cam. I thought this was his Debut ben affleck now. Obviously i know you mentioned other films to me. But i i think this is his first foray into awards or december. These other ones win oscars too. I know Both gone baby gone and the town had nominations acting in particular to the best of my memory. Okay i sit corrected So this landed at number thirty. Six for the year between american reunion and jack reacher both films. I saw unlike this one i think. Yeah i saw jack reacher. But i didn't see the other one. I didn't see american reunion theaters. Either sorry scott your load on that one. I was trying to hold never even heard of it. The american pie the full. Yeah oh okay no. I definitely didn't see that in theaters. And i haven't watched it period definitely the. What kind of person does that theaters. I saw the first couple of the good ones too. Good ones good ones. So we've talked about the twenty twelve in the past. But i'll just kind of burn through it here. Number one was the avengers number. Two is sky fall. Number three was the dark knight rises at the worldwide box office. Few other spy movies this year. We had a number twenty nine the bourne legacy number thirty eight safehouse number. Forty total number fifty. This means war and number fifty six zero dark. Thirty couple other notes We talked about the oscars go won best picture best adapted screenplay and best editing and it was nominated for best supporting actor for alan arkin. Best original score. Best sound mixing. Best sound editing notably. Ben affleck didn't get a director knob which was actually a really big deal at the time because he'd won a lot of the awards leading into the oscars i think he'd won the digi a directors guild award He'd won the golden globe. I think he won the bafta for that one It was a kind of a shock and a lot of theories just became. He was such a shoe in to win. That different kind voted to nominate other movies. Because ben affleck was clearly gonna win that stupid. You did such a good job. You're gonna win so we're not even going to nominee. You can't even make sense. That was the best theory they can come up with. Literally people were like well. I mean obviously aflac has it so why bother nominating him because clearly he's going to win so because my vote doesn't matter i'm just going to vote for you know my friend or another movie that i admired. Does the best picture usually win. Best director is well. It used to all the time. In recent years they've tended to split it a little more It's like you've got enough by winning best picture. That should be a pat on the back. So you're i think didn't okay. So the last oscars didn't parasite win. And i think the director one as well didn't he could one boat. Yeah good yes but ang-lee when this year for the life of pi which was very well made so i'm not going to argue too much against ang-lee it was kind of a weird situation. I remember when it won. Best picture george. Clooney went up to accept. He was a producer on it. Obviously and ben affleck was a producers. Well so ben. Affleck did walk out with an oscar. Don't cry for him too much. But i remember. George clooney just went up. Went up to the mike and just said art director. Ben affleck and ben affleck basically gave the speech so there was a happily ever after to this. Ben affleck has two oscars at home. So i'm not gonna wait for them. I kill you. Bad for ben affleck. I think he's doing alright just fine. Just fine yeah. And tony mendez. Who obviously gone through this experience himself. he actually wrote a book called argo. How the cia. And hollywood pulled off the most audacious rescue in history in twenty twelve year. This was released so he gave a much more explicit telling of the story because his biography when over it but not necessarily fully in depth so this was the version of the story that was much more in depth and he passed away from parkinson's in on january nineteenth two thousand eighteen at the age of seventy eight so that sort of wraps up my behind the scenes on ardo. I'm really curious to see what else thinks about this film now. So i think we'll put it into that jews. I noticed you wash around the time. But now you've revisited. How many is on what you think about. Although i think it's a fantastic movie like i'm one of those people who have pays attention to everything when it's on tv. I'm always doing other things. But it's one of those movies. Even though i've seen at once before i was in i was entirely gripped by it. You get kind of through the preamble of the beginning figure out what's going on once this plan into action like by the time that basically tony mendez goes to see john chambers or ben affleck goes to see john goodman a boats. You know doing this fake movie. And you realize like okay. You've got him involved. And you got lesser siegel involved. In at this point it starts to get kind of exciting. There starts to build some momentum here and you start to get really invested in the plight of these six americans who are at the canadian ambassador's home and you start to wonder like not wonder because you know what's going to happen but still you find yourself on the edgier seat or at least i did well. That's that's actually really interesting. Did either of you know about this story before. You saw the film in-depth no i didn't know a lot of the details but because of some of the characters involved like i know that like they hired jack kirby the very famous comic book artist to work on their storyboards that had kind of popped up across my radar over the years that jack curry had played a role in this famous event Same with john chambers. Who was familiar with. Because he'd done the makeup on planet the apes he was You know a kind of a cult figure but also very talented hollywood guy. So i kind of heard of this story popping up over the years before this movie was a reality but not with any sort of You know i didn't really know the full story. Okay jones yeah. I didn't know the full story. Either i kind of knew about it like i much. I like true crime. I know a bit about history. But i'm like not a huge history buff in that. I know all dates and all the things associated. So you know kind of a high level overview. I might have been able to tell you but the actual details and the cia kind of involvement. How involved they were as we can say. It was a little bit downplayed in the film. Even you know it's it's sort of difficult is difficult to actually know how involved they were because of we've got. We've got tony mendez's book. But until have they have they released or declassified anything on this whole operation. I was under the impression that had been classified. I because i wasn't documentary about this on youtube as of my research and they mentioned it had been declassified by the cia. What i did notice to is the cia. Put out like a twitter thread. Saying what was real and what i saw. Yeah we should see for. Interestingly this as out there like fact checking people like i. I got this wrong. I thought that was released. Bunny is the reason. I asked about whether you knew it going into. I had no idea about this being. I barely even knew about this whole hostage situation. I i wasn't even live at the time of course but Somebody i was reading a review from mock commode a british film review film critic. And he was saying he's actually really jealous of people that go into this film and not know the actual story or at least some of the background of the hostage situation than that this over the happy ending. That eventually has an that. I actually appreciate that. Because i i didn't know any of this going into it. I wasn't even sure if the hostages would make it out. Well that's kind of fun. I don't know that. I knew they were all going to make it out. i. It's very tough for me now to remember a lot of the press swirling around this movie prior to release. I'm just wondering if i would have been reading things at the time. The basically told you what happened anyway. What did you think of the phone going back to. I really enjoyed watching this lot last night. It's one that i hadn't watched again since theaters. This is my first rewatch of it and to me right from the outset. Where ben affleck is using the one thousand nine hundred seventy s warner brothers logo. This is very much a voting. A lot of those very smart adult mainstream entertainments you'd get in nineteen seventies. This is a lot of all the president's men kind of energy going forward. You've got overlapping dialogue. It's not dumbed down definitely simplifies. I think the backstory to make you understand essentially what's going on and it just sucks you. In with i think a very good character performances throughout they cast notable people in even like one line of dialogue type scenes and it consistently gives it this sorta gravitas it pulls you through like ben. Affleck is very very good at crafting just purely entertaining films regardless of the subject matter the just suck you in and just take you on a ride. And he's a director that i've sort of started with that. I don't know that. I would say he's a real autour. The way you would say like a christopher nolan or a you know tarantino is or associate coppola but he's kind of that old school craftsman type more like almost like a clint eastwood or another actor turned director. Robert redford where if you give them the material they can very much crafts. Incredibly compelling technically effective. I looked at so many scenes in this whether we'll go into it but like the escape sequences like the editing. The shooting of these sequences is so tense and aflac makes it look easy so for me. Just the film making of this movie just pulled me in the comedy still works. I was surprised how tossed off. A lot of the humor is It i recalled it being a little more broad a little more as i said in the background on this movie that it was originally a little more comedic. That's what i remembered. I was surprised. How kind of tossed off a lot of work. So just in terms of total package for this very funny. I found it very tense suspenseful and just you get that real sort of Catharsis when it's all over. And i think it's a really fantastic movie yet. It's really hard to argue with any of those points to who at my initial thoughts on the film. i. I really enjoyed it when i watched it on home. Release backing i guess twenty thirteen it would be and i think back into it now. Having spent a lot more time with spy films having recently reviewed the courier as well which again is one of those of fish out of water. The bit. I'm also a serious spy story based on real life events and i think athlete does with the material is fantastic and from the get go with that little cartoon in troy which doesn't identing outstayed. Its welcome it. It gives you enough information to just about seeing in india straight in there with these like super eight cameras giving it almost as if it's from the original riots. Yeah if trump racial that will show for the film yeah and the vibe is perfect. I think it is a perfectly paced film. The keeps you on the edge of your seat almost throughout with some loss along the way and again just thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a type of movie. They so often say they don't make them like that anymore. and watching it last night i was kind of reflecting like yeah. They don't make a lot of movies like this anymore. And it's kind of a bummer. That ben affleck followed this with the gangster movie live by night which was a real box office bomb and i think china scared him off a bit because i would have liked to have seen him continue to really push the boulder uphill for more of the sort of adult oriented entertainments. That really do deliver like kind of a blockbuster experience just on a i think a little more sophisticated level then. Well what you know. Marvel's doing or star wars is doing as much as i enjoy those movies. It's i miss movies like this. I find it hard to make that comparison. I don't know if i could really think of films. I miss those things. They're not doing now. Chalets could films out well. But i just think like it's really interesting. The this film doesn't need all the show innis of some of the other spy films. We've tackled in the past in such reserved film. Yeah it is. Yeah but it keeps you going. Even ben affleck's acting in this film. We'll touch on him. A is acting a bit more layton. He he's not showy anytime no. I was surprised. Actually just how Kind of a row rumpled and sort of Low energy. He was like. I think you need someone like that to ground the sort of material and you can totally by this guy is someone who would send into extract people but i remembered it being a little more of that slightly show. You're kind of like. Oh this is the type of performance you push for an oscar type of thing. I think ben affleck's performance is perfect. I think that there is this emotional depth that he conveys whereas he's not he doesn't have his outward pouring of emotions he's almost very stoic throughout. But there's certain scenes that really kind of convey debt in one of those scenes that stands out to me is when he sits on those stairs with With lester and they're both eating the fast food and he talks about. Yes lester and he says you know. Do you have any kids. And he says yeah. I've got two daughters but you know only talk to them once a year democrat father and and then basically he's like well you know when you're in the business of selling lies and deceiving. You can't wash it off and go home to your wife and kids. And it's almost like ben affleck sees what could be future for him because at that point you know. He's separated kind of from his wife and he can't really be honest with her and he's not seen his son so that was a really pivotal moment in. I thought that kind of underscored this team of the cost of deception throughout the movie Yeah and it's something you can definitely see written on his face throughout this movie like you can see that. He's carrying the baggage of what this profession is absolutely. I think you really have cracks much of a smile at any point. No maybe a little bit sort of at the end when he's out when they're on the plane but no i mean it's very downbeat and you know saying up front like how this will be. Has you know the seventies warner brothers logo on its evoking lot seventies movies. You have someone referred to the movie network at one point and it feels like the type of grittier seventies type performance that we just don't really see much it feels like that's what ben affleck is very much going for actually reminds me of another seventy spy film Three days condo. Yeah just in that realism in grittiness. A they both strive to get of the rub. Horrific that was that was made in the seventies whereas Twenty tens kudos to to ban. I mean one thing. I really liked about this woman. And if you guys enjoyed it too was the fact that the villains in air quotes. I'm one just played as one note. You get the inch Get a little bit of information as to why they're doing what they do. I taking hostages and trying to find people now of what they want to necessarily do with hostas unknowing to get into that too much but at least not played as one note villains. Just wanna kill people yeah. I think that's a good point. You see certain films where it gets. Played very much on kind of one side. You only see the one side of it and one that just pops into my mind is like american sniper where it's very much us versus them. Whereas this i think it's multifaceted and you understand that it's a matter of perspective and perception and the reality that those people in iran are living. You know they're choosing to do this because of what they feel has been this kind of unjust infiltration by america and then getting america basically sticking their nose where it didn't belong kind of trying to stop the revolution and they didn't think that was their business and i think you can very easily jump to the back. America would feel that way say russia. Poke their nose in. And said we don't want you to have a rub revolution and you know was kind of inserting themselves. So i think it's very justifiable. The feelings of the iranians here. And i think we can all kind of relate so i think you make a really great point that it isn't just played as note they're not just sees evil others you know if feels more like the situation is the enemy not even the people like i never really got the sense that You know the iranians who were posing a threat to them were villains. It's like no no. It's the political situation is the problem. And it's just that all. These people are caught up in a very hostile environment. Yeah absolutely i just usually we. We kind of get into the cost later wrong. But i'm just looking at the imdb page and it's something you said earlier. Cam this is just full of named actors. I know yeah like the top my entire browser right now. Ben affleck down to tight as well of and every single person. I've seen it's not like most of these as you get ten people in and it's just nobody's after that yeah. I actually last night in preparation for this also watched ben affleck's live by night because i hadn't seen it because it was kind of poorly reviewed in a box office bomb and i just wanted to get a sense of ben affleck's director oriel career post this movie and it was interesting to see that film as well. Which is it's a very messy movie. That feels about a six hour. Miniseries get to two hours but You see that ben affleck. That's part of. His thing is to take really recognizable actors and put them in. Even the smallest roles on live by night is just also packed with stars. And you know here you have like character. Actors like Philip baker hall or michael parts show up and they have like one seed. And it's just all about getting something out of that performance in the scene. Like richard kind shows up in one scene and what it does is i think it makes you focus on whatever is happening on screen Some movies could use this very lazily. But i feel like here. This is a situation where people could get bogged down in the details. But when you have a recognizable actor. The people know when this person speaking. It's usually someone who has a real personality if you look at the casting in this movie. You immediately like lock in on what they're saying. It actually carries you through the movie. Like i think it really adds to the momentum. We just took us. I like chris messina and either him frahm arizonans the newsroom on the huge final. And he's great in that but he's he does a few in this film talking about how they shut down the la office and oh it's picking up when they shut down the office. But because it's chris messina you give a damn. He sang it such a such a great choice. Yeah yeah like i think. It's a very effective tool a lot of films will do this badly and we'll get criticized for it for just kind of plugging up there. Cast with people who are doing nothing. But i think here everyone has a moment like feels like even if they only have one senior. There's the famous saying there's no small parts only small actors and it feels like ben affleck estate taken that to heart in that it may be one scene but just by giving someone who's really good this little spot. The whole movie is gonna light up because of it in this moment. Richard kinds role really stands out to me as far as like they all do with like these of little cameo roles when he's trying to pay for the script argo. When you've got lester antoni going to pay for it. And they're going and talking to max klein in this hilarious kind of role where this is where. It's a little bit. Funny right you see this bs of hollywood. Because lester goes in there really knowing nothing saying okay. You're not getting. He basically turns him down for the fifteen ground and he's like well. I'm expecting this deal. Or whatever and he's like no you're not this is all falling apart because of whatever cannibal actors wanting to unionize or something. Robert redford time. He his way to saying you take ten or nothing and he eventually accepts it. And then after. Tony's like you know robert redford is yeah took a leak next to him. Once this will be very much understands. Hollywood insider talk. And i think that i mean that's obviously a big part of ben affleck life and it feels like they did not try to water that down at all but they founded the comedic value in it and i think it will be has a lot of fun with those scenes and they really are kind of the hook that pulls you in a lot of ways. It's how did hollywood get involved in cia mission and they do not file down the hollywood ism of the hollywood material. No i think it's one of the best parts of the movie. I think it does feel really genuine. It's strange that you that you say that. Joe is i. I'm guessing you like that stuff to the hollywood stuff cam. Yeah big time see. That's actually why things. I bumped hung. Okay that hold that hold. It wasn't really the second act. Maybe the end of the first time whether trying to get scripts and saying up the office of comedy sectional most I just found like compared to the rest of the film. That was just like a win. Blip it didn't feel like a fat that fit the target of the rest of the film. I mean the thing was though like the entire michigan. We was kind of ridiculous that they did have to go to hollywood. Settle stuff up. Have artists like her be making storyboards. Hiring john chambers. Who worked for the cia. They have had to go through. This process It was a little different in real life but it just feels like it kinda got to put up a smokescreen in a town that is full of as you know the lesser character says it's all lies and to me. It's a lot of fun to see. The contrast between ben affleck's no nonsense approach versus. What hollywood does i think it gives us a break to from. The amazing amount of tension has been building. You kind of go off on this fun little thing where you watch all the smoke and mirrors and you watch them. Go about trying to build this fake movie. Basically you said in a talented built on lies. It's not that difficult. And i think it kind of they've amped up the tension and they bring it down a little bit for this part. You have a little bit of fun and then they amp it back up again. So i think that the tension near as you get going again it's more meaningful because you've just been taken on this fun ride. I don't know. But also i would say that you take out that hollywood section this will be doesn't do as well. I just think that is so crucial to what people enjoyed about this movie and white connected so much was yes. You have this very tense story. But it's this is. What makes it feel special to me. You don't get the sort of tense hostage. Negotiation are hostage Movies with a story like this. That's what makes it so outlandish and kind of interesting to me. Is that when you have that table read and you have all these actors in costume like it's and that is what i find so much more entertaining about the movie salad and say i. Maybe i phrase it. I like that section. I just feel like if i'm looking at the the movie as a whole. That was the felt a bit strange. That and the child subplot subplot. I thought it gave him more depth. And it kind of g- fleshed out more as a character it. Yeah i think it was the movies way in also explaining the whole sci-fi thing because this is also post star wars. This is the big sci-fi boom in this kid's room apparently it was very expensive to get that kid's room together with all the star wars toys and plan the trek toys. That was actually quite difficult. Ben affleck said but I think it's effective for setting it up. It's also very much an invention of hollywood The kids subplot was pretty invented. Dumb mendez had three kids The the inspiration for the mission was not inspired by his. Son's love sci fi. I don't know if they were watching battle of the planet the apes on tv together but to me it worked in terms of character arc for for ben affleck because otherwise like what are you left with your left. This guy who was very downbeat. I think this gives a sort of human connection to him. Yeah i agree one hundred percent. I can't really argue with. I don't think i would really take it out. i think i was just. I felt like. I had to point out if a departure from the civil heavy turn also going forward. But i could see why it was needed. There's a lot of hollywood invention in this movie. We're just kind of almost more fun. Because of the background of the event itself with hollywood's participation in the cia mission. This movie itself also has a lot of a lot of hollywood invention. So i always say Because i watch a lot of bio-pics and bio-pics i feel like are almost a faulty type of movie. They just don't really work to turn someone's life into a two hour film And so a lot of time. You what scenes you're like this feels so false and i think it's often just up to the individual viewer to find which moments kind of jar them and like if there was moments here. Scotland you ain't wrong for pointing them out. It just depends on what you're willing to go along with. Because i have definitely watched other films like this where i've had scenes where i've sat there being like. This is so clearly not real. Or i am listening to accomplish it character. Say something this is really not working for me so well. I don't think allen dinner downs number in the middle of a field when he was younger. Maybe he did. Maybe well it is holding. John is out and john. I think he was wearing his outfits in in in counseling. Sessions either. Do i just remember when they made the movie. Ray like the whole movie. Ray was built around this love story between him and his wife and house wife got him through all his drug addictions. And it's like well. He actually had several wives over the course of this period. Like okay hollywood. Come on. I have question cam. What do you call these films again. Bio-pic one more time bio pic. I know there's a back and forth so people call them by by optics is a bio-pic i by opec it when you said it didn't sound right on. Say how. I think it should be said bio-pic british thing. Maybe allahu many of them. Yeah well we spent this language so You did. I'll give you that. Yes we have something left now jules. I have a question for you now that we're on the pronunciation train. How do you say toronto toronto. Like you say the second team because ben affleck in this movie says they don't say the second t and i was like right now. Yeah like eight just depends added toronto. Toronto like maybe trying to pronounce it properly toronto. But if he's h rondo like it's not really like people are going to point it out. You said it wrong. I mean. I'm canadian and i just thought it pronouncing the t probably not a heavy toronto. But i said tronto yeah. I see toronto as well and when he said that it was like oh well maybe people from toronto. Don't say it that way. I don't know that jumped out to me. The fact that he felt that they would be given away. If someone said you know the second t. that's weird i mean. We're both canadian if we pronounce a t. I wouldn't say all across canada. Maybe it's just an east coast thing. Maybe there wasn't a canadian consultant on this movie because it seems like a lot of canada's role this mission was downplayed in the film so much so that they add that text at the end about how it was like the greatest collaboration between countries. Or something like that was added after criticism started coming in about downplaying. How much candidate did in this mission. Did you read the part about ken. Taylor talking about his role kind of being diminished in the film. Yeah yeah you want to talk about that like what what was diminished. Will he basically so he was kinda. I think he'd said something. Like eighty was diminished to a in keeper. And i think he basically had been spying for the cia during this whole thing and it had a much more active role but it kind of him look more passive in the movies so i think because they diminish the whole role of the canadians in the movie. You don't really see his full rule. And so i can imagine being but i mean he still looks like a hero but i guess if you were more active participant in your far. More in control of the situation would be frustrating. Yeah i mean he comes across as i think very like strong and measured throughout the situation which you know a lot of people would be very You know thrown out of sorts about. He seems very in control all the time as much as he can be so i can appreciate that but yeah i think it's a little bit of bummer for him. I'm sure watching this movie being like wait. A second and Like they were trying to create Distractions as they were making the escape canadians. Were doing things so yeah. That's not in the movie but well maybe if you read mendez's book there's more there. Yeah i thought. Victor garber did a really good job in the. I just love victor garber. He's canadian so it worked. But i thought he did a good job playing that kind of strong silent role that he conveyed a great amount of emotional depth with not saying a lot. Maybe this is a good point to talk about the plot. And maybe some of the differences So for the. I imagine most of you have watched it at this point listening but the general idea is the trying to rescue these six people to try to escape iran. They're working in the in the consulate and the hiding out. The canadian embassy is is it the embassy or is it. The canadian diplomat's house diplomats house. Right the ambassador's home right. That's the one that's the one i know it's about the plan by ben. Affleck run the cia to get them out by in reality. It seems like it was mostly the canadian government that orchestra yell like a canadian government. Bought the plane tickets and had everything set up for them to show up in leave Yes candidate played a much larger role but at the same time. It's one of those things. It doesn't really bother me because the movie so gripping. Yeah i bump against it but then again no canadian so i didn't take offence. Either i mean. I think initially like when the article had a first came out i think the canadians were given maybe more credit. I'm not sure about was sort of how i'd read it. But then the movie kind of course corrected almost too much and they pulled back and didn't give the canadians enough credit but again i didn't take offence to it. I mean i'm sure. Can taylor obviously in reading. That took a little bit of offense because he wasn't portrayed exactly how he was in the situation. I think we all want to be portrayed accurately especially with the story that's claiming to be up historical significance but personally as a viewer. I really enjoyed it and it didn't bother me. Maybe just being canadian about us probably by did like the line where they're saying like everyone turn them away except the canadians. Of course the canadians let them in. Turn them away. Of course of course. Stuffy brits who are like no no trumpets nine coming in one section. That gets a lot of criticism. Is the finale to this where you have the complications at the airport. And then everything on the runway with them being chased by police cars. And what have you. None of that stuff happened but to me again. I don't care like ben. Affleck has like fingers on the pulse of this movie. The suspense going on in these sequences is so strong. And pulls me so in that. I really does. I don't care. I think it makes for it incredibly effective movie. And it's the sort of thing that i can completely look past because i'm so enraptured. By what the story is here. And what ben affleck wants to do with the film. He's an incredibly effective filmmaker at sequences. I was actually. I've saying i was watching live by night and like not a great movie but he has you know gun battles in that movie. That are just riveting. I think ben. Affleck is far better at suspense than we. Give them. credit for and everything to do with this. Finale i think is really top notch. It's necessary to write like isn't it. Don't you think it's necessary. Like i was telling my husband. Were watching it last night. I'm like none of this happened. Them putting this together right at the very end. They weren't stopped at the airport. But i as well. I just don't care. Because i think like you said ben affleck news exactly how to craft a compelling finales. You're ending without that. It's just like won't wall. They walked through the airport. They get home safely there is. There's no high tension to that. This just kind of builds up that tension in the you get that release after and i think that's a really good movie. I think it depends what you're going to see this fall if you're going to see all go and as if docudrama discovery channel has made. And then i think you will be disappointed but this is meant to be a spy thriller doppler still trying to do the paul greengrass docudrama a united ninety three or something or a more serious examination. Stay like munich or something that spielberg made. It wants to be an entertainment like it wants to get people out to the theater to have an enjoyable time at the movies. It's going to give you a little more food for thought it's going to give you some really strong comedic performances and pull you into You know maybe a story. You wouldn't necessarily have found otherwise but at the end of the day. Ben affleck does one entertain you. This is actually something to happen in real life. According to the documentary i watched. I actually think would've actually made a funny joke in that ending. Okay do we. Have you know the true story of the second barricade where they check the the white yellow tickets. No now okay. This is from the Discovery channel documentaries on youtube incorrect. Have ago then make but apparently enroll when they were at the airport and they handed over the the customs slip. I believe they had the copy. But they had white kobe's that was the deception they were doing. Okay and in the film. The guy says there's no copy. He brings his supervisor over the go off into office and the comeback in any hands over lesser from the tourism board fruit There's a little bit attention as as a slender looking at documents. But eventually get in real life. What happened was they got to gate. They handed over this Y slipping There's no corresponding slip. So the guy sat He goes into the back by himself and leaves them. They're standing for about five minutes. He then comes back out with a cup of tea. Sorry for the white. I was just making a cup of tea. I never be like a nice way dissolving the drama a little bit for a second then. They could get to the of interrogation bit later on. I think that's actually funny. Yeah i wonder if they wanted. Just ratchet up the suspense like they didn't want to give you that relief Because it does seem like a really fun moment. That would have worked within the movie. But i wonder if because if you look at that whole finale of the escape it doesn't really give you moments of relief for nightline. Yeah exactly nail. Biting your your. What knuckling to the route you get a little bit with the scoot mcnairy character. Stepping in to speak farsi to the staff at the airport and to the people there and showing them the story boards and things like that. But it's still keeping the suspense going. It doesn't feel like it's giving you like. I think that thi moment would be a little more comedic. It doesn't give you that gives you more character moment as as an aside and this is no offense to scoot mcnairy. I think he actually does a fantastic job in the film. I thought that name was a typo. Oh scoot mcnairy. It's definitely unique name because that was actually. My of my name is scott. That was my nickname in high school. Really skewed yeah. Oh no mcnary round this round this. So what was the origin of scoot is uh scoot. Sounds like scott. What i don't like i don't even get that like i don't. That's not your. I don't understand that i don't understand. It came from an ex girlfriend in school. I think that was like a pet name for me. And then it got omar the friends and it just became my nickname for the rest of my years in high school. Not only enough. When i looked at the name i thought it was a typo too and i don't know why i think it's just because your mind automatically wants to see scott rather than scoot and so you kind of make those adjustments. Everyone would rather see scott. I understand that. So yeah please. Don't call me scoot forever now going to call it you scoot. I'm curious. what did you guys think of. Because he's the one that walked away with the you know oscar nomination he. I think guy multiple nominations throughout that season. He very much became the awards. guy represent this movie in terms of acting. What did you think of alan arkin. I loved alan arkin. I thought his performance was really solid. I thought that he played that kind of grizzled old hollywood guy that's achieved a certain level of success but i'm sure he's burned a few bridges and has a few ex wives and he alludes to this difficult relationship with his daughters. So you see kind of human cost and told of all of that. Success in a town like hollywood. I thought he conveyed that really effectively. I was genuinely surprised when you said he had the nomination for supporting actor. Who would you have guessed bryan cranston interesting. Okay i think he. He's like the hidden weapon of this. Is this film. He makes office scenes actually means think he actually has some emotional investment and he's like shouting. He's got the high energy at the film. Yeah i think. Alan arkin has the showy role though. He gets the catchphrase. Hollywood loves to reward itself to and he's playing a hollywood producer. I think that was also a foot in the door as well and they probably recognized a type like if you live in that town you've probably met people like lester and lester was more of a compas. It character. He was not a real person us based a little. Bit on jack warner but it. Oh we talked when we talk about the career. Scott how sometimes composite characters can be a little generic. There's nothing generic about lester. Like he feels like a very specific creation. And i think alan arkin really does a lot of heavy lifting to bring that to life i. I don't fully i. I was just genuine surprise. It just felt like bryan cranston season around two thousand twelve. It is weird. But also eleanor get. Isn't academy darling so he has won oscars A i think honestly he's just would always be more of a shoe and because a lot of the oscars is obviously political and allen. Our midst is a bigger name in that sort of world. who's voting for the nominees. Right like as you said. Hollywood likes to reward itself. So you've got somebody like alan arkin all these people who are voting. I'm sure so. Many of them can see themselves in alan arkin and i'm sure that kind of and like you said he's also a darling and the specific role. I think it makes sense. But i do agree bryan. Cranston really did shine in this role. But i think so too. John goodman Yeah i love john goodman of this movie. He's lacking that one scene. I think that probably would have gotten him like a nomination because john chambers. he's fantastic. He just needs that one. You know dramatic scene or more like they gave. Alan arkin the catchphrase. That's what i think. Really put him across the board for nomination city but john goodman you give you know one of those. I think he's walking away with an award or two and he was my favorite in the movie. i just. i love john goodman period. There's not much he can do that. I don't like it just seems like a really likable human being but this role i thought he was really funny and i thought he was memorable and he brought some levity to the movie the one seen that kind of bugs me with him is the moment where the phone is ringing. And they're shooting the movie and they have to like walk through. But i'm like this like when we were talking about scenes that can feel a little hollywoodish that went to me. Is the only one that i kind of find a little like i rolling just that stilo tension building common or just. The fact is like the phone. This key moment is all taking place as these guys are walking across a lot of being held up for shooting. It's like this feels to me like a hollywood moment versus You know what's trying to be more of a realistic situation. That was a high tension moment for sure that they added that it did feel slightly disingenuous. I get that it was like you could tell that was added for dramatic flair to ratchet up the tension. It didn't feel like oh this could have happened. I think it's also there to give Arc in goodman something to do in that finale because otherwise the probably don't contribute as much. I would also for a little bit of shade at the moment waiting for the tickets at the beginning of the add desk. Yea oh yeah yeah. I understand that the interrogation but that like oh. It took two dollars no turning. Oh it was like oh tense tense. Look around the corral. Could you check one more time. Oh there it is. That was just wasted film. Thanks for that. And it's just unreal. Listrik like come on. Now we're talking. When is this like before. we're all even born. This is in the seventies. The one thousand nine hundred eighty or whatever like this is where you not like you were twenty. You know what i mean like. This is a time whereas pre advent of the internet. We don't have turnaround times like that right. So how were you actually going to be able to successfully be like okay. Like what are they. Do they even have credit cards back. Then i think so. Yeah i was. I was born in the eighties. But i mean i wasn't using a credit card then so i have no idea but just thinking like oh they could quickly go and confirm this ticket in this like two minutes that it takes for them to then check again. That felt really unrealistic. Given the timeframe i was gonna make a joke about your age. Cambe to cheap. Okay i've got an answer. The first credit card was introduced in nineteen. Fifty and american express was founded in nineteen fifty eight. So there's are answered the credit card question. I thought that america was only in debt due to credit cards. And this didn't happen until like the seventies or eighties. That's probably when they really started spending a lot. I wonder if it was something that early on. You'd get a credit card but you didn't use it as much like once you get to that especially the eighties period. The me decade. It's just like spin city. Yeah i think you're right. Maybe it was just reserved for a few people at that point. It wasn't so pervasive in the everybody had credit card and we're basically living on credit right well unconscious touch on a couple of good scenes on any follow up on that. I really liked the bizarre sequence. Yes i think that was fantastic. And probably my favorite moment of the film. I love it too. I've been to istanbul. I've been there. I've been to the huggies sophia where they go as well and i thought it was. It was really cool. It felt really genuine. Like i wouldn't. I watched it them like. This definitely wasn't in iran. This was definitely in turkey. Because we've been here and yeah it felt really cool. That's how it feels when you're there. It's so crowded. And i mean when you're there now there's a lot more more tourists aaron stuff so it's not just about time. They're trying to convey this idea of it being mostly iranians. Obviously because americans can't be there a time so does feel different now. But i loved those scenes. I thought it added so much to the movie. It's the sort of moment that wasn't invention. But i think is hugely effective because it sets up the psychological stakes of all the participants. We get discomfort of the six people who have to escape and how uncomfortable they are with the whole cover story so we actually get to see them. Go through a scenario fail it. That actually ramps up the tension for when we get to the finale so i think you know in terms of the invented material. This is really really strongly written effective material here. Just a personal story to add when we were in marrakesh. My husband made the mistake. One day he went out early in the morning and he took a picture of a man without asking permission and he had a very similar thing happened to him. That happened to them in this movie. Right i mean he didn't know and you know he learned pretty quickly that something you to ask for permission but how angry this man was in you watch kind of these people in the bizarre they start to descend on this group of six and then you successfully watch tony mendez. Ben affleck get them out of there safely but at that moment. You're wondering what's gonna happen. Here is something bad could happen. So it's one of those moments of tension and then release and it just kind sets up the stakes for this getaway through the airport you because it sets it up that these people aren't good at this at all so you then are watching all of them through the entire finale waiting to see if someone's gonna crack yep so favorite moments let's touch. Oh yeah i've got a small one. The van driving through the crowd when they are making their escape. And it's the mob in the street. And how tense the sequences were. They're banging on the van and you just see like several of the escapees like just shrinking in like fear. In this moment. I think it does a really good job again. amping up the stakes of this finale. I love that scene too. I think it really does it kind of solidifies like what is at stake here. And that it's that whole fish out of water thing. They are in this completely different world than the world that they entered in to when the shah was there and now they're just so uncomfortable with this place that they used to call home. I had another moment that i kind of laugh at. Which is ben affleck. there's a little bit of vanity in his onscreen. And i did snicker at his shirtless scene where it shows like run getting ready and it shows like aflac just like shirt off just like okay here. We go of like. Oh this is so pure ben. Affleck it totally wise i. That scene came up. And i wrote down instantly. Ben ab- flick. I loved that as you expanded it later on it became abstract. I'm sure he loved that. It was his beard at abc movie. I'll go will be forever known as now been like beard applic- yeah for sure he was like i'm going to work extra hard kito for a week and i'm not going to like you know. Do drink any alcohol. Because i've gotta show my abs. It felt like that wasn't necessary. But it did feel like that little shade of ben affleck vanity that you have to add one of his movies. Let's be fair. The royal shots of his face in the snow a lot. Ben affleck often cast himself with these types of roles and this one is a little iffy just because You know tony. Mendez was of mexican descent so You know maybe some question marks there. You wonder what you know. Maybe a different actor would have done there. But ben affleck said of this because people. Oh believe me. They asked about casting himself as the lead in this movie and he said honestly the actor in me read this new. What like a hell of a part it was so there you have it. I guess but i as we said though like he does ground movie he brings an energy that i think is vital to why the movie works. It's not a flashy performance. I think it's telling that you know there was not a lot of best actor. Nominations for him for this movie but it is a crucial role. And i think he he pulls it off well cava question for both of you Do you think in twenty twenty one. You would be able to cast in such a big important movie. Tony mendez as somebody who is not hispanic. No i don't think you would do that. No no i think maybe you could buy. I don't think you should. I don't think you could. I think you get so much blowback. Think like maybe you could but i think you'd get a lot of blowback about it. It probably wouldn't be worth it unless you had such a big name. Like ben affleck and sign off of the person that train but even then it's like is it worth it did you see. The recent Controversy was kind of over holly berry. She was considering taking on the role of trans individual and she got so much blowback on social media and from people for even considering this role that should go to a trans individual rather than her as you know a woman so she basically was like. Okay i'm going to back off. I don't understand the plight of trans individuals and what they've gone through. They're going to add far more depth to this role. They have the right to this role rather than knee. Holly berry the actress. I'm going to take a step back. And i'm not even going to consider this and i think she took the right approach so i think that a lot of responsibility is being put. Not only on studio is put on the actors as well we've dealt into some of these questionable costing films recently the. I'm erin side of caution with all things. now i think Hire the most appropriate person that has lived that life or y- knows exactly what the flight is. So i can understand why barry stepped away from that. I was watching this movie. I was trying to think of other actors and oscar. Isaac would be someone. I could totally see this role in pulling it off. I think there are other options. I just again. I think ben affleck was pretty set on casting himself as the leader. Here was this the loss few years that you could get away with that then. The sort of twenty twelve twenty fifteen. Maybe i think so. Yeah yeah yeah oscar. Isaac would have been good. I'm just googled him. And i'm like. Oh yeah i remember him. He's good he would have been really good. In the role of tony mendez. He's i think he was able to carry the again. I say about ben. Affleck's performance is very grounded. And he isn't showy. I think Oscar is do the same Okay it sounds like we saw spoken about most of the cost now but is there any names on that list. You think we've missed it. Does mentioned we've talked about scoot mcnairy but there's a few others in that group of six. I think are quite strong. I thought tate donovan. As sort of the leader of the group. Bob anders was very effective. I've seen tate donovan. In many things over the years love potion number nine. He was on friends for a little while. I thought he was very good at providing that sort of calm for this group and i thought clear divall was very strong loved. Clear do ball. I thought she was really understated. And i i love everything that she does. I think tight was probably my favorite of the six with scoot being my least of the six. That's for personal reasons scared. You're right he really does. so ground. that group And i feel like he is. Is he kinda leader. I i never actually official. Was he their leader. I think he might have been the boss but they also acknowledge him. The cia does as the likely leader of the group. And i don't know if that just because of his personality or maturity or what did you. Did you struggle with remembering who was. Who was the knicks. Oh yes a few of them kind of looked alike. I had a bit of a hard time. I'm not gonna lie. yeah also struggled with. There's a lady in the group of six and then also ben affleck's wife yes. Yeah i struggled to tell who was who was that. I'm sorry to buy factors. But i just i did struggle. I thought his wife's role was i thought. Taylor schilling did a good job. I've really only seen her on. Orange is the new black and she kind of had that you know one tone performance where she's just sort of like this depressed kind of worried wife. I still thought she did a good job but she did. Have that kind of the same kind of soft features as carrie b shea or bats rename. Yeah who played Kathy stratford was just like the seventies type. I don't know but yeah. Like i thought they were fine. Someone who. I was a little disappointed. I remembered him doing more was kyle chandler. Who has like a good scene here or there. But kyle chandler's is one of those actors who so reliable and so usually fantastic that. I was a little disappointed network. Do here and love him on friday night lights. I mean everything he does. he's reliable. He's good but he's always been an actor. I've liked and he doesn't do a ton here. I do find the titus. Well of our add something to it because i always love everything that he does as well. Genuine is look up who that was callum. Kyle chair murph. Oh that's sorry kyle. Sorry suit sorry for all the hates as well okay. Any other mentioned scott. I don't think so. I think michael parks played jack kirby which was noteworthy. He has nothing to do. he doesn't really say anything. But i was excited to see jack. Kirby played onscreen. That was kind of fun for me. Jack copies guy did oldest spider during and stuff right now. That was steve dicko. Jack kirby did oh god he did a lot of the marvel stuff he crossed over to dc ended new gods. I think jack kirby was fantastic. Four artist He did a lot of the Early marvel stuff. I think he worked on for a lot of basically if it was cosmic. Stuff jack kirby tended to be the guy. I believe he worked on silver surfer's while I think before we go to the noc list and so of an rapid role up any final thoughts and final questions. I have. I have one major question for everyone but i'll throw it out to jews. I you have any final thoughts on the field. I just really great film overall. I mean there are details as we've mentioned aren't historically accurate but to me personally. It doesn't bother me because we know it's a ben affleck movie we know it's going to be this suspenseful kind of historical mystery and there's going to be some details. They take artistic license with. And i think they do it really wonderfully here so just really solid movie overall. I enjoyed it the first time. And i enjoyed it just as much of the second time. What about you can yeah. I mean echoing that. I enjoyed it so much. I loved the style of it. I think it's just a really fantastic suspense story. I also love how it's very much a sort of tribute to hollywood storytelling. Which is probably why it won the oscar. You have that moment you know. At the end of scooping mary laying out the storyboards and showing how you know. A hollywood story can relate to anyone in any walk of life even guards who from iran who can look at these storyboards and feel the magic of storytelling. I think ben affleck is very much of Pay tribute to that. I think it works within the movie. And i think this story you know. It's a very specific story. You know it's hollywood. Insider stuff a very complex political situation in iran. And it works. I think for almost anyone who watches it in terms of understanding the story. So i mean for me. It is a really fantastic on. I mean who needs a language when you can go you. Everyone understands that. Well i outside my final when we get a notice in a second. But i did have one question for everyone before we wrap up. Okay so let's just say us three Of the six on with stuck in the the embassy okay and tony mendez is turned up to rescue us and they've base these jobs on our personalities. What is your tv film crew role. Oh we're tv or not even good enough to be in the movies tv version out. What what what's your if you're not directed because before the director we've already got like cinematographer from those six apart from the jobs they've already got what would you be. I'll help you out. I i guess it myself. I think i'd be the accountant. Oh my god oh boring gun that bore. I'm that boring. Who i would not be the accounted. I don't know what are the options here okay. So the directors already taken so what. What are our options here. What are the roles again. Caviar things main roles in film crew. Well i mean. I was thinking for myself i think. Like gonna be kinda neurotic. So i'm thinking like maybe like script assistant or something like the person continuity. I think that would probably might thing would be continuity. I say that i could see that. Let's help joe's outlets. Give us some some roles. Okay so i'm trying to think of what else we had you could be is our producer you can never have too many producers so there's no reason you can have another one. I couldn't be director. I definitely a producer you overseeing stuff and so of like a hands and laser Spinning yes yes. You are producer. I'm the money man and cancer neurotic mess in the corner shaking and crying sounds about strictly s every week right. I think that brings us on beautifully to the noc list. The cab just remind us again. What the nautilus is in what we're trying to. Yes the noc list is. The need to see. Official classics hearts podcast. Basically we're looking to create the canon of all time greats by films so some of the movies on the list. We've got like dr no. We've got north by northwest thirty nine steps. Three days of the condor mentioned earlier so movies like that. We're looking basically to compile a list. You could give anyone who loves spy films. And say hey. Here's the ones that you're not going to have done in the bunch. Okay so given that joe's your guest guests always go first does algo make the knock list. Yes oh now yes. I think so and why. I think that it's an incredibly solid spy film with a lot of historical back story. Also have a lot of depth to these characters so i think it isn't your necessarily isn't necessarily your traditional spy film. It isn't like your casino royale or you know your sky fall or something like that. There is so much kind of back story and you end up really caring about these characters on a deeper level. So i think that it's a spy film with a little bit of comedy and some heart and some historical accuracy. So i think it's something you should have on anybody's canonical list of spy films. Tonsil walkie was that cam. One of yeah. It's a big guess for me as well We're gonna talk about so many spy films where it's about someone defecting or you know. What have you. There's going to be a lot of movies like argo. And i think argo delivers on all the things. It's trying to do it suspenseful. It has comedy. It has the insider. Look at both hollywood as well as a cia operation and it does it all so well. It's just so entertainingly that if feels like the type of movie. I could recommend to just about anyone and they would enjoy so i. I can't think of a reason. I wouldn't recommend argo for the noc list. Okay that's to yeses and such. My vote is completely pointless as usual as usual. Here it is anyway. I mean two weeks in a row now. We've had really good films. We goldfinger last week. And we've got offered this week and both times we were discussing with calvin who joined us last week. We kind of went to be edgy. Income into black is not as cool as i remember us all these problems. But i'd be damned. This is a good film. And i think i would be remiss if i didn't vote yes on it. It's it's a solid spice store and we haven't responded about two months we've spoken about the real situation but this is a really fascinating spice story. The ben affleck and and the writer has expanded on reality. And that ridge drags you in and not kicking screaming a two hour film that flies by its wealth well-paced and i think it would be missing if it didn't make the nautilus so i'm going to give a firm. Yes awesome so they folks. that's a triple. Yes for auto is officially making the noc list. Ns such the dossier on the film is close and filed as classified. So before we talk about what we're doing next week. We have a quick message from the team over at their terrified. Antipathy podcast cab. Roll the clip rolling. Welcome to their terrified in my name is courtney and i'm stephanie. 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Okay so i actually to podcasts. Riddle me that true crime. You can find me on all major podcast platforms on twitter at podcast riddle. Also have another podcast with Robin water from the trail went cold. Dr ashley wellman. Who's a criminologist and it's called. The path went chilly. And it's at path went on twitter and yeah available on all major podcast platforms cool and we'll put links to those in the show notes as well absolutely lutely so jewish. Thanks again for joining us cam. What we doing next week. Well we are launching another franchise we are going to the two thousand eight and tackling taken starring liam. Easson brines cam. This is this a spiteful. Well i don't know scott. You're the one who chose it not me. That's a very good point. We'll find out next week I did watch this film in the cinema. I think by have not watched it since. That's a good thing or bad thing but we'll find out next week for sure. 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"What is now? Obviously that's of interest acres and that's interest in the NBA. So they agreed to that as well. Right and then he says, okay well, what if? And they were all of these exceptions that they created. That were. Really, built out of problems that Fleischer saw, but that represented long-term abilities a players to earn more money. So Library has been basically allowed a team to resign their best player for any amount that they want, and so which kind of rendered this hour at much less a cap and more of a guideline so that that you know that was basically how it ended up getting getting into the equipment. Certainly one of the things that was the biggest challenge I think back in the early eighties was the use of illicit drugs and it was a big problem. Bob Used to talk to me about it and he was kind of befuddled by it as well because I don't think he grew up with that and most of those two guys that were talking about were to go sheeting this deal didn't as well. Tell me how the two sides approach this challenge. Sure so There was a considerable concern that there was pervasive drug use in the NBA and. you know there was was a very famous La Times article. I basically said forty to seventy percent of NBA players were on cocaine which the NBA. and. but it was a big issue and whether or not you know whatever the actual level of use was the perception was quite pervasive and so what you know during the very these negotiation starts originally they they talk about it but they kind of kicked it to the end of negotiation and what the what the Union greater actually pushed by Bob Lady or the president of ups type. Was it quite stringent drug testing, and discipline plan? which basically said that if someone comes forward for treatment, they would get treatment. But if you were caught you could be out of the League for Life which was quite you know and. It's interesting actually the policy and the policy of the outlawed two things cocaine and heroin. There was nothing else that was on that. When you think of now you know the pages and pages and all the things that go into it but you know. So on the one end, you know the goal is and what what I wanted and he wrote an op Ed in the New York Times. You know when they agreed to this defending it basically saying that You know we we you know we not only not only do we not want drugs in the NBA not even want the whiff of the possibility of drugs in the NBA and that's why we agreed to such a heavy handed discipline in order to do so there was credited. from some folks, some some some people that that it was not regained addiction disease and it was too heavy handed, and so there was criticism that came from the other side well was the framework of the agreement that they need. Also. The NBA seventy did have an awkward relationship with television back in the seventies in the early one, thousand, nine, hundred eighties eighties, David Stern also knew the television was the future of that sports growth there tell me a little bit about that awkwardness. TERP. So. The. The NBA in the early years, right because we talk about economic issues tend to get in its own way and so in the nineteen sixties were on ABC and they were with the role it who is universally recognized a brilliant Created Monday night football spirit, tremendous resume, and the owner of the Lakers was unhappy that too many of the Laker games were on ABC and not enough like he couldn't sell them locally and so we gotta push the owners to back out of that deal and to maneuver that I go through the book they end up at. CBS. He of got the NBA, right? Not really because they want the Dan but they lost everything else and so they didn't really investment it. They didn't believe in it and at the same time ABC. was furious at them. So He's tried you know and he would say publicly it became known as revenge she would build lineups to hurt the NBA's ratings and so this combination of CBS is not really best, isn't it? ABC is going after them and so the ratings for the NBA just simply decline over the course of seventy six and so. As they go into these negotiations CBS. There's one point I talk about the book where where you know the NBA at one point when you know when you think of the Juggernaut the. Now, you know there's one circumstance in which you know Larry Bryan who's the commissioner at the time negotiating with CBS they offer him you know he he had been the head of the DNC. He'd been a consultant very kind of you know he he was very well known and he appreciates the deal with CPS. The head of CBS has fired the new guy comes in and says, I'm not going to agree to this. This is way too much. Rating stink and O'Brien basically had to bet to agree to an offer that was no longer on the table and when you had a call with the owners to try to get agreement disappointed cable deal. He sat down and have a memo, and you can see you could see the chart of the the money that they're making. is going up all the ratings are tanking, and so you know I mean you said earlier CBS didn't run the finals lives you know in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty game seven of the NBA finals when you know Magic Johnson place at and they win that wasn't broadcast live on on on television. You know Larry O'Brien, Fifth Amendment every single NBA team asking do beg their local affiliates to play the game on TV the their schedule the Reason why the NBA started at the end of October and ended in June was so that they wouldn't be up against the world series in the middle of October 'cause it would get destroyed and so that they would have their finals in June so that there would be outside of the sweeps period so that CBS might actually carry live. So and the had a very difficult relationship with television, which is shocking given how much you grew in you know after. As you know Josh one of the major ongoing questions about professional basketball, the NBA is could a majority black sports leagues succeed and I know to both of those men it was an error tasting and probably the most important question of the time. But how did they approach that? What did they do to try to negate that as being a problem? Well I mean they both were quite clear that that was not the case I mean they both were. Starting especially resented it tremendously and he would say, so consistently I mean he would go around. The NBA they didn't understand why you know college sports. You Know College basketball the had didn't have any marketing issue but the NBA did and so you know it was racing I mean everybody knew was racism and certainly trying to show them that you know look like our fans are young they're interested in it. This isn't really a circumstance and so they you know they both try to kind of. Push that narrative they didn't believe it. They didn't agree with it and quite public You know that that they didn't find that to be the case. You know it's very interesting about David Stern because we're talking about the early eighties. In your book and then up to the present day and just before he passed away. It was always fascinating that I found him to be somebody who adapted with the Times. Did you see it that way and what allowed him to be able to do that? He was always very contemporary. Oh well, I think you know. I. Wanted I would say about starting that may not be where every commissioner is. Is that it became quite clear to me that stern loved the NBA and that stern had respect for the players and respected you know kind of their. Respected them as people and respected there. You know that they that they were the game you know part of what I I talked about in the book. Was that you know. I go through kind of nineteen, sixty, four strike and stern identify that act as the beginning of of the rest of the NBA right could you ever imagine any other commissioner identifying you know what amounts to a wildcat strike is being the beginning of the next phase of the League started never never happened right when Sterling Hall of fame you know he he he has five people could be on stage it was Bill Russell Magic Johnson Larry Bird, Russ Granik, who is his deputy commissioner and Bob Lanier who is the head of the Union during this dietary? So I think that you know he he had respect and admiration for the players and he acknowledged you know look there's all kinds of stuff that came down the line, the dress code, all of that about I'm only talking about the universal were discussing, but he gets into to have a very clear. Appreciation but I think that probably allowed him, you know to to stay more current. We have about ninety seconds left What do you want people to take away from this book? Well, I guess I would say three things. First of all, it's a great story. That's a tough one. You know like if you if you liked the NBA and you like history, you'll you'll love it You know it's about the salary cap, but it's really much more about the personality and the framework and the history You know I think the other thing that I would like people to take away that ease. These institutions that exist in sports are not absolute and they're not final and they don't come from nowhere. They come from the people who on the sides negotiating they come from the world that we're all in and they come from. The circumstances that arise Another thing is you know I hope people. Read About Fleischer and Oscar Robertson and the NBA and and appreciate you know history that that that that they the curves that they had and I think that that you know. So be the three things that I would hope people would take away in about thirty seconds. Is there anything the other leagues can learn from this book? Well yes I think. So you know the one thing one thing is I was reared on Martin Miller and how baseball. And part of what was fun about this book with the see a different way of how things can work a different approach and I think at some of the things that why did some of the creativity some of the some of the innovations some of that let's go to court and see if we can do this the gambling might be gambling in terms of taking the risk on something that they don't take a. Certain to win or anyone of those kinds of things might be really helpful in terms of moving things forward and so I think that there's a lot that we can learn from uncovering the sister. Yes. Well, congratulations on this book Josh It is a great book and it's a good read too. So I urge it to people to check it out. Thank you very much Josh, you're welcome here anytime on sports byline. Thank you so much for having me. This is great and again The name of this book is called the Cap Larry Fleisher and David Stern built the modern NBA, very insightful and interesting to listen to Josh had to say about how these two men work together to build the NBA. We continue with more of you and America's sports talk show sports byline. Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie Tax Program on the line is Paul from California Hi Paul. What's your? Tax Problem Today Hi Ronnie Love Your Show Listen I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck was GonNa last week and only get half the normal amount to make matters worse. The IRS froze my bank account listen embarrassed and scared I need some help listen. Paul. You'll need to feel embarrassed he just needs some tax help in the great news is the IRS has some unbelievable programs that can eliminate your tax debt. 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He played fourteen years in the NFL with the Bengals for four the raiders for nine seven of those in Los Angeles and also with the San Diego chargers, he was drafted in the second round by Cincinnati after playing college ball at Penn State Joe Paterno and he won two super bowl championships, number fifteen and number eighteen against Philadelphia and. Washington when he was a member of the raiders and he was also a three time all American soccer player at Penn State where his dad was the coach and he was drafted in the first round in the North American soccer league draft by Philadelphia, and also his younger brother Matt also kicked in the NFL and played pro soccer as well. A matter of fact, the whole bar family was pretty darn talented. Weren't they Chris? We did pretty well, we were. We were lucky my older brother who's a case Casey's about four years older than I am he actually played on the seventy two Olympic came in Munich soccer team and he was also drafted I think by the Baltimore Orioles when he was in high school so it was pretty good athlete himself. My sister was a ball American gymnasts. So we we were Pretty Lucky your dad of course was on the United States national team a national team that one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, pulled off a big upset against England tell me a little bit about that game. You know other than the stories that I hear over the years you know obviously what's around the watch but he said it the way he tells it is early on England was all over them and they were hanging on and hanging on but as the game more on unlike the movie that they did about the game they weren't paying on at the end they said, they actually had a few more chances England with certainly a better team and. but you know, I think soccer more than any sport has. Odd results. Because it's just so difficult to score. You see a Lotta Games know teams take two shots to forty and you know when one nothing so but it was certainly something that. We're all proud of I don't know beyond my dad I'm sure it was but for is. you would never know by talking to them. Yeah. Going from soccer because your dad being a coach. You know he started you guys when you were very, very young but then going into football out of that transition take place. I basically just. When I was in ninth grade kicking in a park, just messing around with a friend of mine after junior high football game and high school coach happened to be there with actually his son that I was hanging out with. and asked if I would kick the following year in high school. So I used to go to practice pretend minutes a week. Kick on Friday nights and play soccer the rest of the time so. It was kind of a just an odd start to kicking. It wasn't something I was trying to do. We were just kids playing in the park when you take a look at college soccer back when you were playing in your brother or playing as well. What was the level of it at that time? Because I mean a lot of players do come out of college now and go into the you know the pro leagues here in the United States or maybe gets the opportunity to go overseas as well. But what was the level of competition like back when you were playing? There weren't certainly as many teams as there are today and mort there's more talented players I wouldn't go so far as to say there guys that understand how to play better We had a lot of guys that knew how to play the game but there weren't a ton of teams there weren't every team now has you know fifteen players that are good players back. Then you hope you had five or six that you know were good and the rest fill in so. It certainly has changed in this country in terms of the amount of people playing and the amount of quality people play. and. I think we're still waiting for that group of. You know the Boji accidents in the world to play soccer. So. When we get there I think will compete a little bit better. How did Joe Paterno feel about having a soccer player be as kicker We never talked about it much for two years. I did the same. I. Used to go to football practice for fifteen minutes a day. and then there were a number of times that I actually got on planes on a Friday night after soccer game and met them wherever they were. at MIT as long as I was kicking. It didn't seem to bother them. And during the course of the two years that I did both of them. I only had one conflict and. I actually chose to play soccer they were playing air force and football, and I thought. That seemed to be one. We could win fairly easily. He wasn't happy. I also flock I would also think too that the mechanics of playing soccer as compared to the mechanics of playing football work. Considerably Different was the transition hard for you or that you got into the rhythm of it, it was fairly easy. Transition was fine. I think what he worried about more than anything else was. One of those Friday nighttime I'd get hurt. you know, and then all of a sudden. I. He'd have nobody for Saturday. But the transition was fairly easy You know similar to get a corner kick or you know being a forty yard pass it's it's basically the same motion and. The way footballs and built football's Delta go up in the air. So it wasn't that difficult. We call one of the things that I've always heard from players who have played for their fathers in any sport is and that's a very delicate balance. I Know Your Dad was a somewhat of a perfectionist but how was that for for playing for him? Along. With your brother man. Trapper for Matt probably than me I'd already came when I was a senior in college. So I only played for one season and you know that that. old cry of you know the coaches started hitting preferential treatment probably didn't apply as much. Already been you know two time all American and So I guess everybody figured I should play Matt probably took it. A little bit more and actually I'll tell you one of his friends. Took more heat for playing for my dad. You know he's only planning because he's matched friend. but I enjoyed playing for him so. I never really had a chance. We never played for him as kids going up he was always busy. And that was the only that and. He coached the East squad at the Olympic trials because whoever was supposed to coach didn't show up. and the only two kinds of actually played for them. You first round draft pick of the Philadelphia atoms in the nine hundred and seventy-five NSL draft I played in the NASA up in Seattle, and you know there was always a lot of hope for soccer in this country and it really did not take off back in the seventies. What was the league like for you as far as playing in at the? Level of competition because they were bringing in a lot of players like, Palay. In some of the European stars that were at the end of their careers and I always thought that that was a mistake because I wasn't sure that American soccer fans and they were particularly well educated soccer fans would ever gleam on to somebody that came from the outside. I think it was I I agree with you I think it was a huge mistake it maybe a big name players were willing to do it and it kind of started there and that seventy five, seventy, six for the brought number players in our team was a lot of second division and third division players. But nonetheless, they were from overseas and I think a number of them. Quite frankly looked at it as a holiday you know keeping shape a little bit and go to the United, states for six months but the biggest mistake the league made back then was paying all that money to bring people in they had to go slow take baby steps and I think the League now has done a really good job of making the stadium smaller. They have soccer specific stadiums they have a nice following within their communities for their city. And they're not paying absorbent fees except for you know. If. Players that you know like Clint Dempsey? Michael Bradley I'm sure are getting a fair amount of money, but they've managed to keep the expenses in line with. The revenue being generated and so they gave them stuff a much better chance to succeed. Now than think the NFL went too fast too far too fast. Yeah. My it was a real eye I opening a fair for me because I had a chance to watch. George Best Hans Beckenbauer and then Palay and what a difference. That played at a different level. David Beckham. You know a little things and when he came you sort of. At the end. They played a different skill level and The only way to get better is to play and I think I would agree with you. I don't think the fans would have would have mattered if it was a bunch of kids from college because the level of play. Would've looked and would have gotten better over time. They weren't going in there to look for you know Rembrandt of a game they were just going there to stay of additive soccer game and you don't want to be identified with that. They knew so. You know it's taken them awhile, but they seem to have found their footing. I don't know that going to play in any of the major sports teams anytime soon. Because they're so entrenched but. You know they have their following and I think they have a nice little. Plants Fest we have about a minute before we have to break Chris? But I always thought one of the early problems is television is so important for the development of sport with soccer if you shot it too tight, then you lost the flow of the game. If you shot to lose, you lost the ability to see the great technique it takes to play the game. Absolutely. Brother and I were just talking about today seems the US Open. he's a member on and I am not A. Fan of the Way Fox has broadcasted or that the pictures that they broadcast and they're still learning shoot golf and early on people shooting soccer had no idea how shoot it and they're starting to get better and better at that as well. So you know the Games are much more attractive on TV than they used to pay Chris bars join does on sports. byline. We've talked about his pro soccer career after coming out of Penn State. University we'll talk about his NFL kicking career. When we come back on the other side, we continue across the country and around the world we've got you on. Sports byline. Have you written a book you can become a published author with Dorrance publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. Company. 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Response has joined us on Sports Byline USA after his pro soccer career. He played fourteen years in the NFL with the Bengals for for the Bengals then nine years with the raiders two of those in Oakland seven Los Angeles and finished up with a year with the chargers in he was drafted in the second round by Cincinnati who after playing college ball as I said at Penn State for Joe. Paternal. Did you have any hesitancy at all Chris about becoming an NFL player or an NFL kicker? Well I never really thought that that's something I never really wasn't something I aspired to do it. I. Sort of fell into it a little bit And I told people for years and I to say because I'm very appreciative of all the opportunity I got because of but. Had I been able to make fifteen thousand dollars playing soccer. Back then I would've stayed with soccer. Oh. It was just because I enjoy. You know they're like ninety minutes. Football I didn't play minutes in fourteen years. So actually, I figured out one time I got hourly pay was pretty good football. Extra actual time. Forget I played about two hours of running done. In fourteen years so. But Yeah I. I didn't hesitate because of the difference in money back. Then it was kind of financial decision. You know do I eat or? Play soccer. Chose eating eating. There's such a different dynamic with professional football. As you know I, mean you're talking about a guy that may be sitting on the bench for fifty nine minutes and fifty five seconds comes off and whether the team wins or loses dependent upon what he does with his kick that is a different mindset not everybody can deal with that stress that pressure and feel comfortable about it. What did you have to go through to prepare mentally and emotionally for that position? More than anything you've tried to block everything out You know those times I went out and was thinking of only one thing you know they just swing smooth it made it a lot easier when things clouded your mind. A little tougher. So you Kinda played the game and you're in your mind a bit and. You know the. Being able to handle that pressure. I don't know where that comes from you know. relievers in baseball habit You know it's very few jobs that. Literally. You can sit for three hours the called on to do other things so. I don't know maybe it's something you're born with or you're just have a block things out but I look at these guys now and kickers in this league or so good. It's scary. Do. You have to slow things down when you're a kicker and what I mean by that is you were a soccer player in soccer is constant action. If you're going to kick the ball, it's usually on the run. But when you're playing professional football that ball comes back, he gets put onto the ground and you have to kick do you have to slow your efforts down to be able to kick in football? well, I actually consciously kicks slower in practice I knew in a game, it would speed up. you know, and if you get too quick and makes it difficult for everybody else do job especially you know holder getting it down correctly. So yeah to some extent it does you know it does slow. It's it's real similar to. Temple and Rhythm and if you're quick, you're going to be bad if you have good temperatures usually going to get a good result you know it's funny. You say that because talking to my baseball friends Major League Baseball Friends I, ask them why do so many players play golf and one of them told me because it's the only ball you hit that doesn't move. I'm not so sure sometimes it seems like it's Tell me about the relationship between holder and kick her how that is developed. What type of Communication Between the two. I don't know specific communication. Wise but you certainly get comfortable with the rhythm of a holder. I know if you know and now they have you know tyner on each team is the older and they have a dedicated snapper say three people that basically work on that skill. Back when I played basically more times than not it was the starting center was the snapper on the. on the field goal team, and you might have a wide receiver. I had a wide receiver I had quarterback hall. And you know so you trying to get real comfortable with one, and if something would happen to them during a game, it made it really difficult. It was a rhythm about the way you did things that. just. You managed to be real comfortable with it You know they guy was a terrific holder. But there was something about his rhythm and he was this the backup all the time. So somebody got hurt Ray guy withhold. and. There was something about that rhythm that just made it more difficult not that we couldn't do it and not that ray wasn't a great older but. That just that smoothness it was different. You kicked with the Bengals of course, and I can imagine what it was like to kick in a game that was at the end of December in Cincinnati as compared to kicking either in Los Angeles Oakland or San Diego what were the challenges there what what Games do you remember? Being more difficult to kick in. The hardest part is obviously in the cold button so bad. You know playing saying Shea Stadium playing in candlestick park the wins that they get a pretty tricky. But cold budgets doesn't go as far. It goes the same you know travels the same it. It just won't travel as far And I I remember we played Cleveland in the. Playoffs in that game that was the wind chill factor minus thirty seven. I think the temperature was outline it's four. And you know most of us just looked at, it was three hours of discomfort for the chance to advance in the playoffs here. As long as you're playing for something, it doesn't matter what the temperature, but if it's December and your. Four and thirteen like I was a couple of times with the bengals or four and twelve it was it's tough to play in the winter. Well? I'll tell you what the two super bowl championships that you one I was a part of both of them. I went with the team on the charter down to New Orleans when you took on Philadelphia and Lyles as to and I were out on Bourbon Street at about two thirty, three o'clock in the morning in we come back in and coach comes down the stairway as we come back. Tom flory's comes down the stairway as we come back in and he says, you know you're out after the curfew and he said, yeah, I know but ron couldn't sleep and we were looking for some warm milk and Tom said that war milk will cost you a thousand dollars. that. Actually. Yeah. Well, that's super bowl cost about fifteen guys thousand dollars. Back. In two thousand dollars with the big fine. That was when John Cusack was caught downtown and he basically said he was just making sure that. there. So? I think if I remember correctly and about fifteen guys got hit with a thousand dollars here. There I was with most of them. So I'm partially responsible but in the second super bowl game against Washington the thing I, of course, remember about that one was that the key play in that game happen just before half when you know when Jackson Myron. Your. Intercepted the past and it was summer coast summer that call that play. Did he not the defensive coordinator? He absolutely did Matt Millen was normally on that defense. Any pulled that out and put Jacks cleric in Matt was real upset about it time that he pulled them out of the game at that point he put checks cleric in and told him just to. Spy Joe Washington and they had. Why they did it all seconds left. I'll never know this day. It's nice that they did but they had done the same play when we played them in Washington earlier in the season went for like seventy five, seventy, six yards. So Charlie, just add ons and put him in and that's why the that photo of Matt Mellon. Charlie. Up in the air you know right after happened so. You know what's interesting about the raiders they had a reputation they had an owner and Al Davis and they had players that kind of walk to the beat of their own drum as a as a kicker. You probably had a lot of time to observe into study that team whatever you left with their success in their personality. Her the one thing about that and I don't think they enough credit for it. As you know when the bell rang, they were really professional. you know when was your turn to practice guys practice when it wasn't your turn to practice or there was nothing going on yet guys out and had a good time. But I don't think we were so dissimilar to a lot of teams. You know we just had that reputation and we certainly didn't do anything to dispel. you know kind of let it. Take on a life of its own but. The guys were professionals say they knew end to play the new end lie. And they knew when to have a good time so. It was an interesting interesting team though especially the eighty team that was an. We had guys that had. Career years all at the same time. You know ten Hendrix Lester Hey and Ira Matthews US and dwayne hosting playing cornerback I mean guys just had career years all at once and It all worked out good and we only have a little bit over a minute left the one thing I also remember and correct me if I'm wrong in this because I'm going by memory is that Tom flurries was almost fired before you guys went and won the super. Bowl. Because didn't you have back to back shutouts During the course of the season before you got things straightened out and went on to the Super Bowl. And we weren't shut out we were two and three at the time. Was the following a couple of seasons play. I, remember we got set out three games in a row at one point but in that year we started out doing. and. We faced Sandiego and Pittsburgh back to back and somehow we managed to put us on the role but the I don't know whether he was going to be fired or not Probably thinking about fire all. Chris. When you think back on your long athletic career both in soccer and also in football, is there a moment or two that's kind of engraved in your mind and makes you smile a little bit? I it's funny people. A bunch and there's a game that's the game that sticks out of all the games I played soccer football soccer I love scoring goals. So they all stick out but in terms of football when we played. On, the AFC championship, there was something about that day game that. kiss sticks in my mind I didn't have to do much kicked two field goals in the second half we were hanging on for dear life but it was just from start to finish. It was just kind of a special day and that's the game in a lot of the game I. Remember more than any, I'll tell you what I remember is that song this is it. It drove me nuts because they played that throughout that stadium forever it seemed Chris I WanNa thank you very much for your time. Thank you for being a part of sports byline Brian my pleasure. Good talking to you. With US former NFL kicker and pro soccer player on sports byline. Warning. If you're drowning in debt, you can't afford do not let the credit card companies trick you into thinking. You have to pay it all back because you don't what the credit card companies don't want you to know is that there's actually a way to get debt free without paying off your entire debt or going bankrupt if you have ten thousand dollars or more in credit card debt, you now have the right to let us settle that debt for a fraction of what you owe for free information call credit associates. Now one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight. 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Now certainly, everybody knows about the League of their own, the motion picture. Well, this was kind of a precursor to all of that in Erica Wesley who is a writer and author and she's appeared in slate wired into the New York Times has joined us to talk about her book. First of all, what made you write this book, Erica? Well I came out really from the perspective of a Fan I, really got into the college softball tournament watching it on television a few years ago or several years ago and. I was curious about the sport and in doing my research trying to find out more about it. I realized that there hadn't really been that much written about how the sport had evolved over time into what it is today as predominantly a women's college sports. Me a little bit about the history back take us back to where it all started. Sir. Started in the eighteen eighties. So it's actually a little bit older than basketball and volleyball and it began kind of as an impromptu. Version of indoor baseball that couple of guys. Started in Chicago and. Grew from there. So they started with a boxing glove as the ball and a broomstick as the Bat and eventually the game became so popular that people were taking it outside and then it made its debut as a national sport at the nineteen thirty three world's fair in Chicago where did women come into play on this? When. Playing it pretty early on since it was always an amateur sport and it was very much of a community game. So it really agree and cities where there wasn't necessarily the space or the grass to play baseball and from a pretty early stage even in the eighteen nineties there were there were women, teams playing fast pitch. Softball tell me a little bit about how the game evolved as how it was played in what changed over the years. Well by the Nineteen Thirties. Fast catch the ball had gotten smaller from the boxing gloves size, and it was really becoming competitive and really driven by the pitching, and it just continued to grow more competitive from there and there were companies sponsored teams that were extremely competitive around the country for both men and women and a huge national tournament that was put on by the amateur policy. Association. And From there eventually, by later into the nineteen sixties, men weren't playing fast pitch as much and slow pitch really started to become the more recreational form of softball at that time. What made it socially acceptable for women to play this type of sport when the men were playing hardball. Right well, I think the fact that it was very community driven, and so people would go to these games and they would be watching their neighbors and their family members. So they the fact that they knew these women and as opposed to if it was a traveling team or some sort of professional team I think it made it more acceptable. For for the women to be playing the game. In that form, I know. One of the things that was somewhat of a challenge for the women who played in a League of their own and I see as a look at some of the pictures in the books it looks like and I'm surprised if they allowed them to do this early on in the game of softball, the women were there were in a sense selling sex because they're really short shorts well. Because a lot of women that really started in in Hollywood and I, mean, it's true to a degree that it. was. In you know an allure. I. Suppose are appealing to fans to to see the women in those in those shorts. But the women often made the costumes. Themselves are the uniforms I should say. at that time, they didn't really make athletic attire for women and so the only other options where these really baggy wool men's baseball uniforms and a lot of the women they liked wearing shorts and It was more comfortable for them to play in those those uniforms and they slid you know. Sliding into bases they. They did all of that so. I wouldn't want to be sliding shorts to be quite honest with you where were the power centers for women's softball? Well. She'll go was an early one because the sport started there. So they had a bit of a head start and then industrial cities Israeli where it was growing both for men and women a lot of the places but that had strong men's teams but have strong women's teams as well. It was really a way to bring town pride for winning the national tournament in. The men's team didn't win. It was more than acceptable for the women's team to be able to do that, and then it really started growing in the west coast especially with in southern California where you had. A lot of really strong women's teams and and then later in part because if one of the main players I wrote about Bertha, ticky, she got recruited for one of those southern California teams and then SORTA pitching for a team in Connecticut and that became one of the hot spots for women's softball starting in the fifties. Statement. If I'm wrong about feel free to correct me but I was assume that there was resistance in the south. There were actually some some pretty strong southern teams they just They weren't quite at the level of the ones that were winning national tournaments and they did have a little bit more resistance In. Terms of having to be more lady like and maybe not getting to to play at. As high a level, but there was a team from Atlanta called the. Ladies that they weren't incredible team and definitely at least made it to the national tournament it's not the finals. What about the northeast part of the country because that was industrial as well yeah. And Eastman Kodak they had a really strong men's team in Rochester New York, and they were one of the early strong places and then. certainly in Connecticut as a lot of times. These companies that had enough money to really have strong teams did bring in players from out of state From the Mid West you know from Chicago and places like that, and have them move there, get them a job at the company and. Basically. They would hire them for their softball skills. I would think there'd be a lot of social conflict that when this at least in the time when they were playing in the early days because you had women who were raising families who are working and then we're playing softball I, mean, was there a lot of social conflict people trying to women trying to do all of these things? I think it's important to remember that I think would have been more conflict if. Maybe, upperclassmen were trying to do this, but these were women who often they were from farming families or they were very, very much working class for. And a lot of these women came from families that were really encouraging them of them playing sports, a lot of them had brothers so they had grown up playing. Ball and baseball with them. So I think surprisingly there was a lot of encouragement especially at the local level. I'll aboard was the war in the war effort as far as creating the popularity for this right well, it was huge especially for creating popularity for softball overseas, a lot of servicemen. It kind of became one of the main sports that they played when stationed overseas. Because again, the space constraints made it easier than baseball. And then here in the US course, there was the league that's depicted in a league of their own. And, there was actually another professional women's softball league inch the Chicago area that was sort of a rival to that league the one that was started by Phil Wrigley. And all through that time there were also regular teams that had been strong for women starting in the thirties Teams from Phoenix and New Orleans and to a lesser degree California a lot of those teams did full during the war. Did the women get. Well. I'm not sure but exact numbers in terms of. The salaries at the companies I know the Jackson Berry, for example in New Orleans. Paid the players at least the top players well, enough that some of them declined joining the League that was in a League of their own, even though they were offering to pay them up upwards of three hundred dollars a week but with a lot of money time. So they they were being paid well enough by the brewery at their clerical jobs that they had their barnstorming tours. Yeah. There was a lot of that and. It was especially important for For minority teams, there was a a lot of African American teams that did more barnstorming. There was a team out of Los Angeles called the nets. And there was a team at a few city, Iowa called the ghost. And they would challenge local teams and you know Eddie Fainter from King report and he was kind of the top barnstorm or for for softball. Teams not be able to get into the league exempt. there weren't any rules against What happened a lot of times? Of course, the communities throughout the country were extremely segregated. And a lot of times the company's weren't that sponsored, the team's were open to having. Minority employees and maybe not them on the team. There were exceptions always but I think that was a little bit more difficult for them. Stories that you tell about the players in this league, Bertha Reagan Tikki, and also Joan Joyce talk about those two players. Right, well Bertha, she was she grew up on a farm in Central California in the San Joaquin Valley and by high school, she was pitching for a local team and then was recruited to play for Hollywood teams and she moved down there and that was right before the war broke out. So that sort of interrupted things for her but she went back to pitching for the Orange Lionsgate's team after the war and just continue to improve from their. She got to be an Atlanta. Turner. Movie kind of helping Lana Turner was playing softball players. So she helped teach you how to pitch for that movie. And then later appeared on game shows such as to tell the truth and you bet your life. And the one that was eventually recruited to play in Connecticut because after she'd won. So, many national titles but they wanted to have her make that Connecticut team, which was called the break cats more competitive. Yeah. Joan Joyce did something that was really rather impressive not. Yeah and Joan Joyce she was kind of a successor to Bertha. She also played on that Connecticut team was about twenty years younger and she came up as a pitcher was just a phenomenal athlete. And because he was a strong hitter as well and she and the early nineteen sixties struck out Ted Williams at a charity event. So that was obviously kind of made her a big local celebrity. Let's fast forward a little bit where was a breakthrough for the sport? well, I think really in the nineteen I mean grew throughout the war and by the nineteen fifties be asa was reporting that there were you know upwards of five hundred, thousand people, men's and women's fastpitch teams vying to be in the national tournament. So really pretty much. Every town had at least one team that was hugely popular. Also think that probably the success of the sport in the college ranks was very important with elevating the awareness of the sport as well. Right? Well. It takes and way in the nineteen fifties, and then by the nineteen sixties as the men dropped away from the sport, it started becoming more marginalized and people didn't know as well as they had. and. So that continued it through the seventies. Then the college game really helped revitalize it, and as that grew as a strong women's sport that helped get into the Olympics and become really popular again, I think you know as well as I do you have to have personalities and in the case of of softball today I think in two thousand, four really Jennie finch was somebody that really elevated the game to people's. Awareness, yes. He kind of became the new face of softball and after the US Olympic team did so well in two thousand four she was kind of one of the main breakout stars and a lot of girls still look up to her to this day and get into the sport and start pitching because of her researching this book. Did you come away with something that really surprised you that you did not know about this? Well, there were a lot of surprises for me. I think the biggest thing was just the idea that especially women could in the nineteen thirties and four years. Be offered a well paying job and housing and all types of travel expenses just to play softball and then how competitive and widespread it really was. What do you want people to take away from the book? Like people to take away well, especially important figures such as Bertha and Joan who were really incredible athletes and really were household names at one point and I think should be again and I think the other thing is just to appreciate fast pitch softball for being the different sport that it is not a variation of baseball but really its own complex sport. You happy with the way. This book came out Erica. Yeah I'm pretty happy a Think I got to put a lot of kind of fun and interesting stories in there, and then also emphasized the importance of of the sport for female athletes. Et really did play a big role in the history of women's Sports Erica. Congratulations on the book and thank you for joining us here. It's a fascinating story and I think it will give people a good look inside to how fast pitch softball really developed and how the. Women played a large part in bringing the game to where it is today I. Thank you for it. Thank you so much. Again. Erica Wesley with us she is a writer author. She's appeared in slate wired and the New York Times and the book is called Fast Pitch The untold history of softball and the women who made the game and I had family members in my family that played fast pitch softball we continue on sports byline. Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie do each tax program on the line is Paul from California. Hi Paul. 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Card collection out. We'll talk about that as well. But Joe, take me back to when you join the hall of fame what the Hall of fame was like back. Then give us a little bit of a history lesson. It's it's really kind of remarkable stories that tell people here is going through. So many changes right now physically taking goodhart book because a week from now, you won't remember what it used to look like and literally you know they've been here. So long I have a hard time remembering what was like when I started back in nineteen seventy seven but it was a much more I would call it a more quaint place than it is today in the sense that you know the just to the NFL with growing in popularity and growing in size extending us. So on the hall of fame was really just kind of coming into its own. At that point, we'd only been around since nineteen, sixty three, I think when I got here, I was the night employees. Working. At that point there. But not as they came went before me but we were staff of nine and that's not very many people. Were you know Gosh? Probably. Closer to sixty. At the moment we stand during the summer of two hundred, but it was just it was where we were and we have been on a upward Arch ever since we don't have much dust settling our feet. But we're embarked right now on perhaps the biggest, not perhaps definitely the most aggressive growth in the next two years. Then all of the years combined before more than fifty third years. So that's a lot of time, but it's been a very different place run it just it has grown so much and chain so much say it's not your father's oldsmobile anymore we're really very state of the art and with the new things we're doing now we're sticking stepping into the next generation of of entertainment as far how people will consume the pro football hall of fame. What is the legacy philosophy of the hall of fame today Joe. Interesting these. We have the delicate balance. You know we're you know museum than we operate them to the highest standards of museum operations. But at the same time, we do recognize the entertainment value of what we do and we're building a huge. Campus here to do that everything from you know we created our new stadium's going does have a built in the stage right into the stands where we'll be putting on concerts is your Tim McGraw will be here over hall of fame weekend that's already sold out but we also putting in a four or five star hotel were putting in a center for excellence which is performing. Center, where I'll have everything from a indoor football arena to a indoor basketball arena. We're GONNA Thirteen football field we want can't to be what Little League baseball in Williamsport is can't will be to football here. So it's really grown from just that small operation into a state of the art museum plus an entertainment complex plus a youth organisation Plus Center for Corporate Excellence and Then, the excellence in general sense of playing once. So we're trying to embrace every aspect of the game we're focusing highly on the way. The game is a game for life as we call it where character counts and where we try to build from what football teaches into everyday life for all of us and I think we're doing pretty good. Job In but there's so much more to come where really excited about where we're going no doubt about it. When comes to sports memorabilia is such an important part of a kind of collecting the history of any sport and I know the hunt caster line I ball hall of Fame Card Collection is is coming out. Tell me a little bit about that. Again. Hunt who isn't so hunt under the American football league, the Kansas City chiefs, and he himself as president of that see. Dallas's soccer calm and his business partner and friend Robert, your line who is a investment art dealer. Put together the most. Comprehensive and valuable football card collection but were slim valued somewhere between six ten, million dollars and it's approaching tree hundred thousand cards but they met collection are the most highly graded. Cards, particularly hall of Famers in the world that adds to the value that greeting so much part of the condition of the car makes the values so much more significant than just having the car that we all stuffed into a shoebox rubber band on. but there, collection may take the seven hundred most valuable and rarest pieces and put it into. We're building an exhibit here to showcase them and and then it'll be here for about six months to nine months and it'll travel the country then going to culture to mostly artist cushions around the country. So people can see this, but it's an amazing collection. It goes back to the turn of the century the very first football car, which by the way was Harry Beecher who is the captain of the Yale Football Team in eighteen ninety one and he happens to be the granted grandnephew of Harriet Beecher stowe. Great American author of Uncle Tom's cabin. So there's so many different things about football. It's a pop art pop culture. It's about art and it has a little bit of American history even involved in it. So it's a really exciting style exhibit. It'll be here and at the same time and I'm GonNa Joepags they know we're short on time, but we're also at the same time. A brand new entertainment exhibit is called a game for life and it is a totally immersive theatre where it involves fifteen projectors hologram theater, sixty, Chandler, sixty speakers of sound all around the hall of Fame Locker Room created look like if you will field of dreams a football only in the locker room environment and it's an intimate theatre that people will be totally immersed into this this holographic presentation using Joe Namath and we bring back, Vince. Lombardi and George Halas and a number of hall of famers telling the story of how football influence to change their lives and and what that game for life meant to them. Really is the next generation of museums. Joe I know you've either authored co authored editor even been a contributing writer several of the books and one of them is the pro football hall of Fame Answering Book and I'm just wondering what question is most asked about the hall of fame. You know what's funny that maybe the number questions why is it in Canton Ohio and nets a from a business perspective? You know they come here and they really don't know that the National Football League was actually founded here in Campbell out back and nineteen twenty That's that's you know from the general. G Wire we hear type type of question. I think really when you look at football history different than stop is baseball for many many years was America's Sport America's pastime and we all knew about Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig and Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle and Roger Merest football didn't have an identity really until about nineteen sixty and is that football began to Baseball is America's favorite sport people are going back and looking at the you know the vintage history of appropriate ball. So it's all new territory and they're learning about the red granges in Sandy Bosworth. Don. Hudson that people would I know very well but the average fan really doesn't know much about so I think they finally put talk history to be territory for them and they're. Very, you know it's very nostalgic and fun to go back and look at we got about two and a half minutes left and I'm just wondering if anybody wants to go to the hall of, Fame Induction Ceremony I've been there said one time before with Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott when they were put in it that was when it was on the front. Porch of the hall. and. Now, it has moved into the stadium everything and just briefly tell everybody what that weekend is like. Well, it's it's Football Mardi Gras we. Local basis it's ten days, but for the real heart and soul of the fame experiencing shrine the weekend it really begins on Thursday night now, where we have what we call the goal jacket dinner with a hall of Famers, get their other presented with their all goal jacket with four thousand of their closest friends to you being present, and it's now televised in NFL network as well, and then Friday night we have a concert in our stadium it's twenty, two thousand people will be there to welcome Tim McGraw Selah Proud That's on Friday. Night on Saturday is the big event the. Ceremony televised by NFL network and ESPN and that is again back in our stadium and that's really where we have. We'll have about one hundred, thirty returning hall of Famer the ten that I mean nowhere else. Do you ever see that many hall of fame in one place at one time and Sunday, we have the Saturday night game. So we flip that stadium from a touch and on a Friday night chiming on a Saturday night to game on Sunday night and all three sold. Out, and that's an amazing event is amazing weekend and there's all sorts of events in between even a parade route two, hundred, fifty, thousand people welcome all the hall of famers in it's about the sixth largest in the country. Now that you know Kinda kicks off things we youtube dance we have you know events all through the community fireworks and concerts and all that sort of thing. But it's really as they say, something for everyone of every age and every level of football fandom. In about forty seconds is there a moment in your you know being involved with the hall? Of Fame Museum and everything that sticks in your mind Joe about the experience for you. You know there's so many moments that I. Think I know every year something is needed boy that's the thing you want to capture and remember but sometimes I look back in nearly captures it for me every year we hear the hall of famers making speeches and it's usually not about football it's about. It's about the people who help them. It's about the people they wanNA thank and that to me is really the human of this game. It was too often we talk about accomplishments on the field and there'd be recognized for that no question about it, but they get on the stage and they think everyone else. So that's what really makes for Joe I WANNA. Thank you very much. Our friendship goes back a long way. I'm looking forward to seeing you when I come back next to the hall of fame and thank you for the insight and Kinda the tour of the new NFL Hall of fame in Canton Ohio take care my friend. Thank you. Joe Horrigan, with us again, a forty year executive of the pro football hall of fame. 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You know football himself so he introduced. My brother and I is three of US my brother and my sister the youngest but introduce all of us to. You know in different sports, he was coaching US and Recreation Basketball Basketball and and wreck baseball teams and Pop Warner Football. And just exposing us to. I think more importantly just the disciplines to the various sports. Did. Martial arts. As well and We lost our my my mom in nineteen seventy three. I was fourteen years of as through lung and breast cancer. So she never. Ever got to see me you know flourish as a as an athlete at any level, but anyway and so my father just was very driven in wanting us to be the best that we could be in any and all things that we. Set our minds to do unbeknownst to me I nev-. I never even knew about. Athletic Scholarships for College, I knew I was I wanted to go to college, but I didn't know that. I go to college via athletics and one thing led to another ninth grade math teacher Larry Thomas said to me one day. You know I worked really hard I could get a scholarship to college and that excited. Because I said, well, I WANNA go. Never asked my dad how it's going to go but I had every intention on going and when that happened it it. It lit a fire onto me and I was hell bent on. Trying to be the best I could be starting quarterback on the the varsity football team I got. Recruited for football in those kind of small and then I just Kinda took off. And the track and field I broke my ribs I think it was the fourth game of the year. And the football season, and as my coach said, that was a blessing in disguise could've enabled me to spend more time running than getting banged up and one thing led to another broke the national record and no one hundred, ten meter hurdles national record in the three hundred meter hurdles. And before you know it Every college in America was coming after me. And and. You know wasn't protracted that time it was purely an amateur sport and but for me, it was everything that I had ever dreamed of because I knew I wanted to go to college and now I had found a way to go to college and. God knows what else? What transpired? Rinaldo. One of the things I've always known is is that when it comes to athletes the to inspirations or motivators for them have usually been apparent probably a father but also a young coach as well. Tell Me What your dad instilled with you and also the other kids about playing sports. Well quitting was never an option. You know my father always says you start something you've finished something and it didn't matter the outcome but he he built character in US most importantly if to my dying day, you know. Your name means everything to you, and that's all you'll ever have is your name and so the integrity. Of the moral fiber of his character, and so my father always wanted us to put forth the best efforts that we could and try our best and we only. Have learned over the years have an audience of one. I'm only competing against myself and as long as I put forth my best effort then I've done my best and I'd never had to compare myself to anyone else and that was very comforting because when you're competing obviously there are people that you're competing against but no one that you competing against. Can Really keep you from doing your best and putting forth your best and then i. my father also taught me early on that the worst that can happen was that I lost But I wasn't gonNA lose my life they're still gonNA love me. Still going to have friends and that to Still, a young kid, it gave me great confidence. In spite of. All of the different athletic challenges that I I was facing that I I always could settle on that comforting. Point that was driven home to me and so. I was I called it the Wild Syndrome you know I always wanted to while people and mainly while myself because no one could keep me from doing what I was doing. So I didn't know what I was capable of unless I tried. and. So I would go for it and most the worst that could happen I didn't do it but at least I went forward and so I had this reckless abandon. Attitude and just wanted to while while myself and go forward and not a mother and her dying days She saw that in me that that that innate Inquisitive. Nature and I said in my hall of fame speed she said, don't let anyone tell you what you can do Mac and think man can do it. And I recall that vividly when it broke thirteen second barrier, there's nobody ever done. It could be done. And so those types of. Words of encouragement and support some to pivotal people in my life, my mother and a Father you set me on my way. I. Always Find it interesting. You play team sports. So you know that mental concept of inclusiveness. But when you get into an individual sport, maybe it's golf maybe it's tennis track and field as well. There is a mindset change there. Tell me a little bit about that adjustment in how one gets into the the singleness of being an athlete where your performance performances determined your success or failure. It's interesting because I've always been sort of a lone wolf guy I kind of always wanted to bear the responsibility we lost that I blamed it on myself I did not. Like the feeling of having the point two fingers, it's someone else the team concept. If you will they didn't do their respective jobs. Therefore, we lost and and it was pretty interesting because when I went to the forty niners so many people say well, aren't you a little afraid and intimidated and I go wait a minute I was around the world by myself many times. In one of those eight lanes and it'd be seven other guys who sometimes didn't even speak my language and fans I didn't even know. I said that was intimidating and I said I learned to harness all those anxieties. So now that I have ten other guys helping me. I'm fine. I'm good and so the same thing you know I didn't have performance anxiety. Thrived. On I guess showing you will 'cause. I. Was so happy. And blessed to have the talent that ahead that I wanted to show that talent and So anytime I was in track and field. I gave me a chance to just do what I did. do what I loved, which was hurtling I. Love the feeling of hurling I. Love How it felt its inception of the art form of it and I love the appreciation that. I I was getting from the fans who appreciate it, what I was doing. And I felt an obligation. that. If I'm going to do this, I'm as well due to the best of my ability and say it was a certain level of freedom to be by myself. you know put on my blinders on a horse race and as I said earlier, have an audience of me and she's allow me to do what I do, and it's the same thing when I'm on a golf course, it's that sense of freedom. That oneness serenity in a hurdle race. It's so quiet even though there could be forty, thousand, fifty, thousand people. It's so quiet when I'm in my one myself, and then I'm just floating effortlessly and running the feel of the freedom of running and and happiness that it gives me and. So and then I had this. I had this passion for. You can't teach someone. You can't give someone heart when they run. We hear that a lot of time to so many people who are talented but what separates the great and? We're fearless We know that we can be defeated, but we're not afraid to be defeated, and so you just go forward and you have nothing to lose but the event or the game and. And that doesn't overwhelm you. So I love that thought of. And might lose. But if we're up to me, I'm GONNA do everything in my power to. And I- harnessed that thought into useful energy into an adrenaline, you know to producing probably excessive testosterone in the moment. To to win those races or to do well in those those situations, we have about forty five seconds before we have to break but your sophomore year at Maryland proved to be kind of a breakout year. You broke the world record in one hundred, ten meter hurdles twice in two weeks when you go back and visit that have were you able to break it down and see why you were so outstanding during that period of time Quite fracking no I remember I had one day. NCWA'S I had broken the world record indoors four five times at indoor season and I remember my coach Frank. Stella, we were going out to the Bruce. Jenner. Classic May Sixteenth Nineteen Seventy nine one right. We went out for spring break and we were going to it was right after spring break and we I was running my first race I'm. One of my nemesis at the time DD Cooper from San Jose City College was there and I was so upset because I hadn't done any. spring training you everything was at sixty sixty yards at the time, and here I'm running into this guy was so upset with my coach. And then I realized I had you know there's nothing I can do about it. I'm on the line, I'm going to have to go for. I don't WANNA, lose I'm not afraid to lose actually getting angry about this because these guys train year round and great weather and I don't Renaldo Nehemiah has joined us here on sports byline we continue across the country and around the world we've got you on America's sports talk. Show. 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So I just ran harder and harder as the noise of the crowd got louder and before I knew it I could see Villanova's Tim Dale and the Finish Line about twenty meters in front of me as I was really starting to be overwhelmed by the pain. I dug one more time with all I had an eye surged passed a fading Dale and I believed that I won by a couple of meters afterwards I told myself that I would not ever feel that type of pain again in my life and I never ran another four hundred meter again that pain what you feel during the course of a competition tell me a little bit more about that in what you were saying with that quote. Well, as I was running to the roar of the crowd and as I was feeling fatigue. set upon me. it wasn't to the breaking point and and then I. Yeah. It's amazing what you think about And I didn't WANNA. Again, quitting was not an option. So if I just. You know relaxed a little bit to back off a little bit. Then I would have been quitting in quitting on myself and so I knew I headed in me I had never had gone I was going places I had never gone before physically. and but I didn't know how far I could go and I was that close I was that close and it was worth. Digging. Now one more time. Seeing what I had in me. Also recognizing that I didn't want to quit. And then as a result of it when you when you come out on the other side, you always do through your. Belief the pain came with it was overwhelming. And I. Always said to myself I want to be able to talk after my race ten they'll move wended but I can still talk that's four hundred meters it was it was gut wrenching but it it was a milestone day for me. It was wanted greatest days at the Penn relays? Penn relays purposes it was the greatest day for me and my athletic. Career because it showed my well roundedness it showed my courage tenacity It said a lot about me as an athlete. And, it probably shows a lot of my. My greatness at that time before me even breaking the ultimate war record of thirteen second barrier. So but most of it had to do with. You won't know if you can do it if you don't try it and he's that close he's that close. It'd be a shame to be that close. So go forward and wherever it ends up, it ends up and. I'm glad I did have a couple of strides in me. And I was able to eclipse in. Within a couple of meters, the finish line and speaking of being close you were the prohibitive favorite to win one, hundred, ten meter hurdles in the nineteen eighty summer Olympics you were unable to compete. That's because the United States among sixty four nations boycotted those games because of the Russians invasion of Afghanistan I know that to be the pinnacle of all athletes efforts when it comes to sports particularly in track and field and swimming as well. But what was it that bothered you the most about that decision in your inability to be able to compete on the world stage like that the main concern I had was that. They allowed the nineteen eighty winter. Olympians to go and microbrews Yoni notice guys beat the Russians and I just felt the. The announcement of boycott came prior to those winter Olympics and yet the Winter Olympians got to go which gave some of us most of us false hope that maybe we might still get the go especially since we beat. People who were Having the difference with politically which was Russia. And, and so when that didn't happen, it was very frustrating because you know I didn't think politics should've had a part in what we were doing on the athletic fields but I also felt time though it was probably the the simplest form of war without going to war with a country by just saying, okay, we're GonNa four touch games. And that impact it would have on them. Then it, hurt me because here I am training like other athletes. Before years and. You know the finding moment as you mentioned is trying to not only go to Olympic Games, but actually went on a pick metal and being. Favorite, to win the gold medal. All I needed to do just kit there and show that I could do it, and so it hurt me a long time. It took me probably about twenty some years even WanNa talk about it because At that time I was. Still, emotionally immature I was for most and temporarily for me a defining moment. I recently started a blog in one of my I. Think it was my second third second blog I wrote not letting setbacks to find you and I talked about that nineteen eighty todd and not allowing that. To be a defining moment in my career, you know because I could have gone to the Olympic Games had we not boycott it and lost that race had made me. less great. Not just sort of lost that race and I talked about I gone on. In a national hall of fame in the new. Jersey. Sports. Hall. Of Fame I'm the Maryland. Alumni Hall of fame that Maryland Sports Penny. I went on to continue to accomplish things. And didn't let that significant setback be overly significant in my life actually today people still introduce me gold medallist. Be correct them. As you know I've never walked into an Olympic stadium as an being yes. I am and Olympian I never had the privilege. And Wow. You want everything. We just thought you WANNA go mental I said well I did. So that's proof. That that that particular day. Did. Not Define my career. Let me switch gears and go to another aspect of your career. That was the football aspect that you signed with the forty niners I covered that press conference that day and Bill Walsh was a dear friend of mine and I thought to myself as I watched you at the press conference and also. Knowing Bill as well as I did because I did the play by play at Stanford when he was there the first time and knowing how he thought, he always liked to dictate the tempo of the game. He did not react to the other team. So it made sense to me that you were signing because bill saw Joe Montana. Didn't believe in Joe, but he saw something that fit into his system and he saw something in you as well. Tell me a little bit about the decision to play professional football and that three year experience. Well, well, mine decision primarily. Because of the law she was very progressive in his his mindset. It's forward thinking always thought out of the box saw things that people didn't see. He was a great manager of talent and so you know I said Joe Montana who a lot of people didn't think was as good. As, he ultimately was So bill had previous experience before I came there that you don't judge a book by its cover, and so I was very grateful for the opportunity and and the skill set that I was bringing to the team at that time he felt. As, the game was progressing that you, I would fit nicely into their offense scheme. I know the physicality of the game can and tear on you and you were in a sport track and field with that was not a factor unless you fell on the track. But that was certainly not the factor in professional football and that one game against Atlanta where you were going across and I mean I haven't seen a hit that bad in a long long time. How did you adjust your thinking to be able to accept that as part of the competition you were playing in? Twofold one I'm thankful to God that I never saw the opposing defender Kenny Jonsson coming today that would be an illegal hit doesn't happen today but So I was not it didn't affect me going going forward afterwards because I had to watch it on some to believe that had happened to me. and then to it, it affected Bill Wallace probably more. So than affected me because bill to his credit. had great respect for my APP, my athletic ability, my track career and what I represent it as the world's best hurler playing on the San Francisco Forty niners and so when bill saw that hit with everyone else I think it rocked him to his core more. So than anyone I. Think he just did not want to be. Responsible. Ruining my career or or having me my. My body being wrecked or paralyze or whatever the circumstances were and then so. It seemed like game year after that hit, it changed his whole perspective on how the play me and how to use me and he became almost like a surrogate father trying to protect me as much as possible and putting me in the most. you know safe which is virtually impossible when you're playing a full contact sport like professional football but. So and it was very frustrating for me afterwards because I would say to him you know. I didn't I didn't get my athletic career to play part time. I. Don't get this opportunity to be an athlete. But so long when it's over, it's over and I'll never get these days back. And and he's to me it's well, he never wanted to see me get hit like that. Ever again I remember our play a lot on artificial turf more than with grass and he just said because you know so fast he felt out faster than everybody on the turf and I said bill if I'm faster and everybody anyway, I'm fast or whatever the trip is to surfaces grass or otherwise but. So those types of. Conversations. He would i. you know I would have and everybody on the team we were playing on a first term. You know. Fifty sixty percent of the offense and we're plan on Grass I was probably twenty percent offense and. So it was all about him trying to protect my exposure. At that time. Let me ask you about the Super Bowl winning season because you had the opportunity to be part of an individual performance of excellence, and then go back and with the forty niners be part of a team. Performance of excellence as well. What was the catalyst for that team winning that Super Bowl? We had a temperate arrogance. I mean, you know you think about that that team that? Team on both sides of the ball all pros on both sides hall of Famers, and we just had an arrogance. That we knew were very confident in what we were doing. We believed in everything you know whether it was George for it on as a defensive coordinator, Bill Walsh on the offensive side of the ball everybody took full responsibility of their respective jobs, and so we were a cohesive group. And and things were the one loss we had was at home against Pittsburgh, and which we shouldn't have lost but it. Just one of those things. but any of that super bowl year you know going fifteen and one that year is that. Here, I am I I ever super bowl and I'm thinking it's Kinda like the Olympic Games everybody's pumped up and excited and. Our team had this calmness. It was here. It was eerie to me as a as I remember. I remember going into halftime and the the confidence was so high. That we knew we were going to win the game and we did go out you know we. Play what Thirty Sixteen Thirty Nineteen score the game. And then here I am post. Game waiting for this celebration and we're GonNa have parties and all that. We want our I sup- What was the second super? Bowl. It's at Stanford. So we're basically a home game. And we did nothing as a team. Everybody. Went home or they went and had their own private parties but we didn't have any team celebration and I had my family and everyone in. Wisconsin. Posted Victory Letdown 'cause I'm you know I didn't know what to expect bag definitely expected. A little bit more pomp and circumstance but yeah. We did celebrate months later but I remember that particular night highest moment. It wasn't as high thought it would have been. You certainly overwhelmed the Miami Dolphins who came in with a lot of hype themselves. You're absolutely right about that. We only have a couple of minutes left and I quickly want to get a reaction to a quote from you. You said it's a different race when you're chasing someone then when you're being chased. Right right. Well, when someone in most of my Competitive Career most people were chasing me and it was rare that I ever had to chase someone else. Maybe the second part of my career at forty nine she wants back to running when I wasn't as dominant were as good as I used to be. So when you chasing someone. You're you're running their ration- not running your race because perfectly you're looking and feeling and trying to gauge where you are, and so you're not as compose you're not as in control. When someone is chasing you You know that for instance, I was a front runner. So all I. Felt like out in front. I put a lot of pressure on everyone else chasing me and they could not run as relaxes. I could when I was out in front of his sense of freedom and all I had to do is continue to stay focused. and. The race will come to me. I. Didn't have to press because I was already out in the front, just established myself early. And Relax and do what I do in practice. We're not to thank you very much for your time your insights as well. It was fun for me as a sportscaster to be able to watch you not only in track and field, but also in your years with the San Francisco Forty niners, and also how insightful you are about your comments about competing in your. Family as well. Thank you very much. Come back and join US anytime. Thanks so much bad to be a part of it. Thanks Rinaldo Nehemiah former hurdler world record-holder broke the thirteen seconds barrier established a world record in one hundred, ten meter hurdles and also won a super bowl championship with the San Francisco. Forty niners, we continue with more of you and Sports Byline Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie Deutsche Tax Program on the line is Paul from California Hi Paul, what's Your Tax Problem Today Hi Ronnie Love, your show listen I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck was gorgeous last week and we'll get half the normal amount to make matters worse. 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Admit contributing writer for several books on the subject including pro football hall. Of Fame. Answer Book You may want to check that one out and also Renaldo Nehemiah with a former hurdler and forty niners wide receiver. He broke the thirteen second barrier and established a world record in the one hundred ten meter hurdles also want a super bowl championship. With the San Francisco forty nine. I'm Ron Bar. Thanks for being a part of. America's sports talk ten. Ritchie and this is what we're hooking into tonight's foul territory for the fourth time and baseball history three Oh has become three two and it looks like the bad guys might win as for the dodgers maybe they should have save some runs for game for their one loss away from going home. Daryl Morey is out in Houston title in with the Clippers Jazz football I've got scores. Foul territory is next. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network at live dot heartland use fee dot com. 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Rights Network says, local groups in this network were not formed to have civil debates about policy view this world as the battle between the righteous and the wicked, and frankly there's A lot of discussion in people's right circles about how we need to form this paramilitary militias or other similar groups to protect the righteous and to deal with the wicked according to the report. Bundy says, he wants to turn people's rights into a den of rattlesnakes to protect Americans rights. There are about seven hundred members of this group in Montana says, the report was released facebook has taken down pages associated with the phrase people's rights. Finally are Damn Bernard tells us as a result of a lawsuit over water pollution from mining a tract of land at once how surface minds is being re purposed as public recreation area for West Virginians. Cindy. Rank is with West, Virginia Highlands Conservancy. One of the groups involved in court case she says Alpha agreed to transfer the land to correct the pollution problems i. just hope that people. See these as positive outcomes. Sometimes, there are good things that come out the five thousand. Acre plot of land is part of the old Kenton minds and is being developed by the West Virginia Land Trust this is Mike Clifford for public news servicemember listener supported on radio stations across the nation and online at public news service charge. They're here's foul territory with Jeff and Jen on sports overnight. Good evening everyone and welcome into the foul territory program part of these sports overnight America block here on the Sports Byline Broadcast Network Yours truly jeff rich and the lovely jen rich standing by here in Phoenix. Arizona. Busy night in the world of sports it's about to become a busy once we get We get through these league championship series and I think they need to end on Friday. I don't WanNa take this thing into the into the weekend. Don't get the way of college football just let it be just let it be. The Tampa Bay rays and the Atlanta Braves. least worst options on the table. And I'm sure that it's not just united. Feel that way. Jen. The theme for two, thousand, twenty, the lease lease worst option restores doctor. You know I, mean, regardless of what you're talking about void of context there we had what I would consider a good night after a bad Wednesday in Major League Baseball we had some movers and shakers moving and shaking around in the NBA of former championship winning coach in Cleveland Tie Lou He's like. To move up on the bench with aquifers out, he's going to be clippers head coach. Daryl. Morey who spoke on behalf of the people protesting for human rights in China and then was ostracized he's going to step down as e general manager of the Houston Rockets. We've watch SUNBELT SOFALA LAST couple of nights in this in this house. Yeah it's It's been going on it's been compelling. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's been fun. We didn't get NFL game because we had to move everything around for the titans just feels like we're gonNA coupon things around big college football news I guess would be Nick Sabin testing positive for Ovid probably not gonna be able to coaches football team with the big match off coming up this weekend and Brown, steelers on the horizon gun talked about that a little bit. She's from Jeff Salt Territory Sports, overnight America. You're listening to the sports byline broadcast network and we'll be right back. Sports bettors. This is hall of Fame Award here to tell you about my favorite sportsbook, bet US dot com football basketball, and baseball all back. That means it's time to get down your bets. Just like me bet you is the hall of Famer of online betting more than twenty five years in the business join. Now get up to one, hundred, fifty percent and volunteers on your first deposit. 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Thursday night and we are talking about. Sunbelt football talking about the League Championship series in Major League Baseball Bryce Wilson not a lot of major league experience gets the ball for. Ryan snicker and it pays off braves, Marcello Zona another one of those former. MIAMI. marlins making noise at in. Greener Pastures I don't know how green pastures are there up in Cobb county where the new stadium is. I couldn't really speak much to the old stadium was other other. The fact that the old stadium is now the home of the Georgia State Panthers play it at Turner Field. They've renamed it like Georgia's Georgia state stadium or something like that but the braves are, but they're not playing the new stadium because they're playing in. Arlington. Windy night North Texas Apparently it's a little breezy. If Walker bueller would have been pitching. We wouldn't have been able to tell but with everybody else that were you know. What do you even call it if they're not tight What skinny jeans? I mean, well, he word like the tightest pants. Skinny? Jeans So if you wear your pants like a normal adult male and you have a little bit of. Bad Comfort, yeah, I guess it would be comfort comfort versus. Tightness. Armored Bueller just. Pants. Pants known to man and then he didn't WanNa talk about why he wore the tightest pants known to man. We're never gonNA know you gotta own it I'm GonNa assume he lost some kind of Bet Some kind of that with a buddy and probably maybe college football related maybe the team loss and but he was like we need to wear the tight pants. Today next time you're on the mound. And I think that's probably he's like, us? Probably. So confident is there any good upsets this weekend? upsets. Every. Week Ashraful. That's what I'm thinking. I, think he made some kind of ridiculous bet with the Buddy and had a tight pants. Oh Vegas laundry guy playing a prank on. Maybe he upsets the. Cleaning crew. There was a Costanza in the mix. They decided to go one hundred percent cotton and you know you just can't dry hundred percent. Was Fine. All special instructions. Extra, start. Or? Extra just the last one that got two picks pants deal. They have left and happy have is allow like when you're little league I remember the. Watching one of the other teams play and the kid was a highly up for me at the time and they they talked about how the good helmet was always at first and third day. So you can always pop out with one of the baserunners to get the helmet that fits but that's that's really neither here or there a click. Right. I was GONNA say I mean we're already kind did little league in the MLB this year between the ghost runner and the seven inning doubleheaders. So maybe maybe the ARL admitted on how much clothing they have available for their staff. They had the self so many small so It's like when you go fanatics and of course the they don't have anything in like grown-ups sizes, they they have. You know if anything's on sale, which was like forty five dollars, it's actually fifteen dollars and he goes to the site. You know that you're there they're not gonNA have your size they're gonNa have three, ex and small. Three access for the biggest I've seen like seven x because the biggest cost of goes on sale and those. Those people are sports fans do and they want. You know they want to be able to just the part and I get that I and I'm not trying to disparage anybody I know that Maintaining. Physical wellbeing being can be challenging but tend to braves kershaw nutshell but not great. And you hate to see agenda. I know in a twenty twenty where nothing is normal this is as normal as we get. Free. Over. Graves needed this after the onslaught they dealt with on Wednesday. You, can't. You can't have two of those games in a row and then figure it out in games game game six, game seven. Three one. The other night when I gave the scores. I had you know a best of seven series unfortunately because if it had been best of five, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The long series was beneficial going into and I mean obviously knowing what we know now we. Series over at that three one if it was best to five but knowing well, we know now are knowing what we knew going in. We knew the preset depth of their pitching staff temper debate definitely has a depth with their pitching staff on the other side and the dodgers are you'll that that flash in the PAN, you've got some Glitz they've got some glamour and he won A. Boatload, of games during the regular season. But your did they have the depth to go high quality versus high-quality a new as you got deeper into these? Playoffs weren't going to let anybody get away with anything. You know you might steal a short series in three steel Avesta five. To, seven, you're gonNA have to pretty good teams remaining standing and. You know we forget about the braves because they play on the East Coast to play in the southeast. They're not on TV. They're not tbs on a regular basis anymore like they. Were automatic back. You know just like the cubs run wgn Almost every year, but you never hear about them. There quietly. Good. Quietly good team there. I mean they're the Minnesota twins. The Minnesota twins, the National League of late. Jason, their first pennant since one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine. One win away. You don't have to go anywhere. We're playing on a level playing field. So I think three one is probably a pretty honest. take away I mean I I I think that you take that at face value. I'm not sure that the same remains true in the American league just because of what we've seen over the last two games. Tampa. I have a hard time close in south. Tampa doesn't WANNA. Go Kevin doesn't want to be that team. Only. Four Times if we got in game six. And then only one team has won game. That's two thousand, four red sox over the Yankees. Team didn't lose another. Game. So, you would really hate I mean. Use. The you hate to see it sarcastically here. But we would all really hate. The bad guys win. cheaters never prosper is one of the things by by parents used to preach to me own when I was young. Our seeing such prosperity. Already have one hunk of metal, Jason this is a bowl doubled hunk of metal that could win down down the street from where they play. If they get Charlie Wall when our parents were teaching us about cheating, it was under the pretense that there was gonna be some kind of punishment when we got caught if you don't get punished in any way then. Hey that's a great take John. It's Not discouraged. I think that there's less of a chance that they'll get away with it. I don't see them repeating the repeating cheating. For. them to refuse champions they would be back outlook for Major League Baseball repeat that sheet in the same manner. I wouldn't doubt there's other creative ways to cheat they're finding ways. In baseball his. Found ways to us the cork bats, the spitballs. Ball was it the change. Member from Pete Burns, documentary Yale or Harvard Oh the over the head considered the the change up cheating and trigger evil the curveball. Yeah. Y- they they would not want anybody from Haha. To throw a curve. Ball because it was a deceptive Fitch we do not deceive people at. How far we've come. I we have come far enough to watch all night innings of Ken Burns Baseball. Just yet. I don't even think we made it through one the only made it through the first thing. So we made it well into the second eighty, but they're like. They just move at such a soothing pace that if you have any amount of exhaustion in your body, your body's just like now's the time to just chill. There's a lot of information. 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Two, three inches over in the NFC s game four dodgers Clayton Kershaw blames the win for allowing the braves to tack on six in the six but states that his back was fine. The braves go onto win tended to La back down to two games back in the series and we were lucky enough to get some college football tonight and Lou of the NFL a long high battle between Georgia and Arkansas Arkansas state and the Red Wolves came victorious fifty nine to fifty two and that's all I got. Let's throw it back to Joe. The like Thursday night in. Jonesboro Arkansas the Sunbelt conference classic I finally figured out what the SBC The sides of their Jersey was. I thought it was just somebody that had you know that they were memorializing or something like that. No. Asked species sunbelt conference. Tried to their own overs and evolve action. They're doing pretty good job at least this week you know we got Vehicles Carolina. Detroit. On Wednesday we had Arkansas State and Georgia state on Thursday ed. You know there's just no inventory college football. So why not? Why don't enjoy that stuff ca a you me? I have actually seen troy play and person. So that wasn't like a new team to me. Oh. I'm sorry I'm so tell me your tales of the. Thousand. Four. For. Roy since BECCA, no four sixteen years try watch and watch them in a ballgame that doesn't exist in hasn't existed since that night it was the Silicon Valley Bowl it was the end of December in San Jose at the school there and it was pouring and it was troy versus and I you and I you of course, got their butts kicked because that's what they do in Bowl Games. But right now, trying with great, the fans were great good as fun. It was a good time. The that's good to hear you in southern hospitality. See you can may everything is what you make of it. You don't have to go to the Super Bowl or the All star Game Day have. An unforgettable experience especially, if it's a rare thing and you'll going to San Jose California for you. So, your first trip to California that wasn't first towering that was only the second time in my life but on a plane. How about that de didn't you have to walk out like the Minolta Cornfield in Rockford area we it was chartered through we chartered with the school. So we went with the band and the football team and stayed at the same hotel as them and We did we boarded a plane in the middle of a runway in Rockford Illinois and Debord it in the middle of a runway and San. Jose. I, smoked. I remember getting off the plane and like literally lighting my entire pack of cigarettes and it was okay because I was outside. It was weird yeah. You're looking at a time actress. Realities of the the whole way back then. Did your. Can No No. Don't win ballgames any. Thoughts on that one because we didn't our of our buddy, the the quarterback have a ring from that game. Was that participation trophy might have been no I don't think we will not game we're. GonNa Challenge that a little bit. I'm going to say that you defeated Friday that blow, game? I it wasn't even it was just classic is the Silicon Valley Classic Yeah Eh that would be an interesting thing to do. It's unfortunate. We're not the local to You know to the studios there in in northern California because it'd be kind of a cool like jen on the street Kennedy over around cell phone cameras microphone, and try to get people to retell stories of the of the two thousand four silicon. Valley Classic in San Jose. I just pulled up the wikipedia page thinking I could find it really quick and. It only existed for a couple years two, thousand, two, thousand, and one, thousand, two, thousand, three, literally two lines about the game two, thousand, four, it is six paragraphs about that game. Wow. Yeah. A lot of involvement. Yeah. Well, thunderstorm giant thunderstorm and. Final score from that one. No. There's so much to while description. Getting depressed tax. Oh yeah the two, thousand, four Silicone Valley bulk game. itself was a disaster from the start in part because of a severe thunderstorm caused many local fans to stay away from the game. And then people couldn't leave. That's right and then there was wind. So there was no power for a while. Yeah. So only I was one of five, thousand, four, hundred and ninety four people at that game. Holds thirty thousand and this was obviously a game with no score. Yeah. I've been trying to talk and read you this entire time and I have not seen a scores in the six paragraphs about how of disastrous of a game. This was and that was the last season that they played. All right. Let's go back to two thousand, twenty specifically to bid mid October here where. The NBA finals are over. So it's the off season in the NBA. Things are GONNA to move pretty quickly We don't know exactly when the next season is going to start but when it does tyrod Lou will be the head coach of the Los Angeles Clippers of the team that has been. Massively over hyped and Undeniably under delivered. Los Angeles Clippers have one. No more than one playoff series in any year ever. Not other DOC rivers. You're tyrod blue was an assistant. He was part of this mass. I don't know if they just don't have the talent or if it's just cursed, maybe they'll do better when they have their own identity and they get their own arena I, think they're going to angle would. What do you know about it? I know that? Always up to no good. All right. That's a that's like you right? It is ice give. Darryl Maury Maury is a bigger story decides to step down. They'RE GONNA promote this guy from within they're going he's going to be the tenth general manager to the African American general manager in the history of the League Darryl Maury. Beat a big splash trae for James Harden fired Mike Dan Tony. And it never worked, it never worked well enough to do anything other than Celtics. I mean, what are you record every year user thirteen years When record kind of made the game smarter. Obviously you know. Obviously. you can make correlation with him and billy being a yell. Kind of doing the doing the door stuff. Doing the you know going to the nursery. In crunching numbers it versus just say Oh, I know basketball he's he's a player. Revolutionize the game. But he will not be the GM of the of the rockets anymore I think the bigger deal Tam is that. he he got thrown under the bus by Lebron and it's house like he lost who doesn't get. How can the bus even move with how many people Lebron has thrown underneath it you gotta count on Trey Parker and Matt Stone. To. Tell it like it is with. James with everything else Daryl Morey did the right thing I will forever support D'oro Maury I. Hope this. This decision is not based on. How the NBA chose China over freedom. Chose oppression. Chose dollars over fighting. Oppression. You WanNa. Dislikes Sports League. I mean there it is third as this. This isn't. This isn't civil unrest the deal. That reared its it's had twenty twenty. This goes back to twenty nine hundred. This is this is. Just the NBA Finding Line on the ledger that they knew the number to be higher. And a sold out to China. And you could play me Adam silver you can blame will james. Fight. You score on. That's valley classic. Thirty four to twenty one. That was the one that was the one of seventeen ballgames that has been to that they did actually win. So let me fill in the blanks here. So the reason I ask about her quarter of our quarterback friend the starter in that game name was Josh Hall worked out with the Bengals did not have a did did not go pro in. The sport of Football but run into after the Ohio State Northern Illinois game to open the two, thousand, six season in Columbus I you know rat. We're at one of the local beverage arrese and You know you guys are just hanging out talking I've got my friends in Columbus and You'll buy time. We reconvene I just assumed that this guy is an old friend of yours scene of throughout the day you know because we want to take the Tailgate, the football game and it was much of a tailgate because Ohio state tallying stunk fact that. You'll we we. See this guy walking around he's wearing if they'll. If I remember right I, think he's ordering Northern Illinois. Shirt and Ohio state. Hat. I believe that's correct. It might have been an you have in an Ohio state jacket. Baby it may be but there was there was a over his fault Confuse Sports Fan Looking Guy Yup for this big shiny during a singer and you don't get a ring for not waiting the Silicon Valley classic now that the the true back story to Northern Illinois. You know the their most famous football player I I think hands down. Asked me Michael Turner. From when he was there and what he did in the NFL afterwards, you make an argument for PJ flak in the in the president's or Jimmy Ward who's still you know still playing for the team that drafted him in the after being a first round pick in the NFL but. More than. In two, thousand and three, they go ten into the. Beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa Alabama was not near it what they are now. Yeah. Alabama in Tuscaloosa they host. Maryland. Your marriage ranked at this point Maryland's holiday are now. In the other direction. Your beat Maryland Ataman in dekalb Illinois they get this ACC team to come in and they do they do beat them and they don't get a bowl game in two thousand three because they lose two games in the McAfee loss to Akron and Bowling Green, and then they then the next year they don't have nearly as good a season, but they get to go the Silicon Valley classic and apparently defeat the Troy trojans. Let's wrap it right there. 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Clo- Today Progressive Dot. Com Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Fuck. You're listening to foul territory with Jeff and generate Alpha tune it in all the fans are in the world we love you. Welcome back in. Foul. Territory Jen and Geoffrey Garin. Keep from Phoenix Arizona a jet I I gotTa Start Segment by walking up the back from what was previously or given all this love the sunbelt conference we're talking about. The coastal. Carolina, chanting. Clears. Arkansas state Georgia state I'm talking about Troy because Troy field pretty decent sunbelt team historically, and we have the game of the year in the sunbelt on Wednesday and it was not between Coastal Carolina Troy was between Coastal Carolina and Louisiana so apologies there and I remember the rage. Cajun's. They I it was. It was a fun game. It was a close game You know it went back and forth and then You know they were able to run the clock out in the but Louisiana the ranked team you know they Number Twenty One north twenty, one in the country and you've had Arkansas state playing really well, and we've we've had really good college football to watch We've got on a little tangent about the silicon valley bowl or Silicon Valley classic and we talked about Alabama how they lost the northern this before Nick Sabin got there. They got Nick Sabin. On the sidelines. For the first time ever, and it happens to be the week that Georgia in Alabama were plan prime time These have been the best teams in the SEC for a long time, and you know if Georgia wins, it's a little tainted I I I gotta Say Georgia's got to be pretty disappointed that you know if they think they have a chance of winning this game. To not be able to beat the. Yield. Salty king himself. So Alabama take a Georgia without Nick Sabin Nick Sabin and the Athletic Director Greg Byrne tested positive. COVID like most people that you hear about having this testing positive. No symptoms. It was just GonNa ask them like as far as I know he's not He has no symptoms as of as of domestic he is. He is without symptom he has no symptom and that's That's a good thing. Yeah. browns-steelers coming up You know I think the both locker rooms event trying to. Keep it someone. Classy. That there was talk of. Cam Hayward you know you'll going after Baker Mayfield's ribs and. If you don't say it out loud. You're a liar Yes. A quarterback is injured. You try to especially something like ribs which you're just GonNa make more sore not really gonNA do. Anything. Detrimental. To to say that you're not gonna go after those vulnerable spots we're this is the sport is just phooey. Lease. ACT Like you're not even for the Achilles. Tendon, I, I'm not talking about career stuff with talking about. Hey, this is sore. Let's. Let's make them think about it. I didn't football and hockey you're allowed to talk about inflicting pain can't do in baseball get baseball. Game, it's the one thing that you can't do is is try to hurt people. Baseball. So the first game. That myles. Garrett is going to be on the field browns and steelers seen each other since the that was the first game of two year ago. Actually about eleven months ago miles scare at at the end of a game that the browns had while in hand they're winning by fourteen points with less than thirty seconds left Actually I think it was less than a minute I don't. Eight seconds. There's eight seconds left in that game. Selective memory folks? myles Garrett ends up swinging his helmet at Mason Rudolph. He gets a season ending suspension. He's back on the field in week one. He's GonNa go into. Pittsburgh. He's going to hear it from the steeler crowd but myles Garrett been having a heck of a season I'd hate to think that the browns go in their foreign one they show up like they did in week one where they didn't show up at all. Period like that. I would just kind of go into the game with the mindset that that's what's going to happen and then anything beyond that is just going to be a great day for you.

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"Until let me talk to him. Hello Joe this is Oh is right takes when a man answers and spotlight this. You WanNa hang up especially if I'm the man. Well I got what I wanted anyhow satisfied. Now Blackie Surprise Mrs Carrington Naughty Naughty Not Married to Joan in love with tax at tell me did text kill Powell for the twenty five thousand dollars by himself. Did you go out and help him this afternoon afternoon. I never go out to the airport. That's funny that run on your shoes. That's peculiar colored. Mud Mrs Carrington. There's only one spot around here where it's found okay. I was there today. I wanted to be techs. I didn't have anything to do with killing Mr Paul. I don't know who did starring. Thanks for telling me that you were at the airport you see. I don't really know what color mother is out then notice. Besides I'm not very interested in mud. It's the dirty work in this case. I want to figure out who rank even the last time I'm telling you get out of my office. Better still get out of my life what life you don't call that thing you're living a life through your faraday. Nothing doing pal. But there's plenty doing between Texan. Joe Carrington's Barrington wife. Emily you said that. So what so. I know this much. Emily Carrington either killed Powell herself or text killed him and she knows it is I certainly me do. She's the key to the whole thing. Get to talk and your troubles are over. If I ever get you to shut up. There'll be over Faraday when he won. Nothing inspect but not something. I think you'll want one is airport. Just came in over the teletype. There's been a murder up and not signed him. Well who got it this time is if I don't have enough trouble with the Powell. Hello America has some connection with inspecting victims name. Was Emily Kennington in November twenty. Six One thousand nine hundred forty-six Boston Blackie on classic. 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Blackie sees Joe's Joe's wife finds she is in love with techs and was at the airport at the time of the crime but later Joe's wife as a murder victim too so as as we return to what story Blackie and his girlfriend Mary. Wesley Walk into the Airport Hangar Research. Acrylic Blackie auty. That's a fellow looking for no six American looks like mechanic. Hey Mike Uh what are you doing Mike. Having that made Trying to back together Joe in one of the rooms and back in a minute good good oh look before he comes out. Why don't you tell me what you know about Powell's minute Carrington's murder to blackie? Don't forget that also finding out who killed Powell vice. Mary what do you know about him. I mean nothing black. You didn't see Texas Joe or bill come out of the administration building about the time of Palestine. How could I well if you were here on the hanger so you can look out on a hanger? I didn't say why am I said if you were vegas very little girl. I know I'll be quite especially if micro talk talk about Mike. You're talking to a guy on the field. Oh Hello Joe I wanNA talk to you about Powell's Oldsmar and Emily's death you'll be wasting at time. I've already told you all I know. Well maybe I haven't told you all I know. Oh yeah you know something your your wife was planning to divorce you. Marry Tex- That's supposed to be news was to me and told me what it was to me too and I figured out a couple of months ago Tex Killed Powell to get money for emily Or you'll Powell to get money for Emily uh-huh Blackie. I'm no killer. She deserved what she got but I didn't do it. Oh I see then. You're not sorry. Emily was killed. I'm not glad but I guess you had come into a book. Hilda techs or you. What about bill? I think. It's a tossup between you and Tex why because eventually that could be the reason a bill needs money as much as Texan. Maybe so but bill didn't have the incentive to get it the answer this you would just take over no matter way. Why don't you? Blackie sometimes rang once the name. Oh yes wait a minute. What's going on here? Is that your yes where are you. Where are you over here in the hangar? Them to answer the phone. That's why why did you happen. Yeah because it rang here to. WHO's on the other end of the line? I am lacking tax. Oh Texas Where are you calling from across the road from the field? Oh thanks thanks a lot TEX MEX well unless my hunch is wrong when I answered this phone I found the answer to who killed Lenny Powell and Emily Carrington. Doc Look Blackie will. You quit questioning the three of US blue in the face and find out which one of us did it. That's really what I'm I'm trying to do. Joe Now I want to ask you each just one more question. You first techs. Where are you from will boy out A? You can't tell that I'm from Texas on politics on you but where are you from. I'm from halpern main. You know I have ways of checking this ahead check out a small town on everybody in the county knows me all right. I'll take your word for it for now. Joe Where are you from right here. Local boy Yeah I figure making good as as soon as you tell me which one of these two guys killed Powell. My wife and I can get back to work anxious to get one of your planes and fly away Joe. You'll think I did it. Stop up thinking Joe I know guilty. Now Yeah how do you know Blackie the evidence is graphic bill geographic. I on I gotta things suicide hanging out here on a flank. What other things? You haven't had anything to do since I came on this case and you know it. I don't know anything. You're not kidding. Faraday my friend you want to do something constructive with that badge of yours. Use It opinion suspended together. Something semi doesn't mean anything where it is. Oh yeah that's what I like snappy answers now if you'll be quiet just one second I'll tell you what we're waiting for. It's about time. It comes out mechanic Mike but you have to say is going to have to wait at least gives you something to look forward to inspected expected. Well what is it. What is it this telegram? I just got expect to hear it. I'll take nothing lanky given to me. Mike what's it all about my from my old man black. He's pretty sick. Quaid's claims that if you could read blanket you know where it is. It says here on a telegram Kansas your reading the telegram telegram power. They I'm not. We'll finish the squabble over this telegram in just a few moments. That conclusion of Boston. Blackie November Twenty Sixth Nineteen Nineteen forty-six comes up in four minutes. You're listening to classic Radio Theater at Metro. The best deal in wireless is on switched to Metro and get one full Amazon. 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You Force me to tell those three partners they can come and go as they please all right. Why wouldn't they fly out of town instead of taking a train? This is a rather odd case Faraday so expect a rather odd finish to it and it's not all right. I don't even see the connection but murder Powell and the death of Emily Carrington just a hunch. I think it's a good one. It was at the field when Powell was murdered. She saw the Kelly tried to blackmail the killer for part of the robbery. Money killer wouldn't pay so mrs carrying having paid Like males a dangerous business so standing in a railroad station when we ought to be watching that airport. No Hey that goes on where they're getting into call four zero nine come on. Hey that's my memory for faces the names to but thank you said. Never mind what I said. Listen to what I say. Now wait a minute. Mike traveling rather leiper trip all the way up to Kansas. Aren't you have. I don't expect to stand Kansas Very Long. You're oh not even going to Kansas Mike. You're going to jail jail. Four Modem I matter of Lenny Pollen Emily Carrington. Are you kidding. No kidding this guy come into those murders. Yeah yeah that's black. Yeah tell them Mike Brennan Party. Well I think we've got him but I don't know why but my clone cops and open. It lacks look what the well dressed. Murder is wearing this season holding money. Rather expensive material isn't my. Hey how much is i. Don't even have to Canada. I think you'll find twenty five thousand dollars and a half the money he took from. Lenny Powell well Faraday. I closed this suitcase in your case at the same time Blackie why are we taking a plane to Branchville Elsa glorified deal for Paul's company with us. Twenty five thousand dollars for the right to but why did the company ask you go to Branchville for them Paul. I closed the tough gaze as of Faraday. They think I can close a tough deal for them. Oh my aunt you might have no idea. Mike was the guilty one until tex made that phone call and I answered it in the hangar. At the same time Faraday answered it in the office old approved. The hanger phone was an extension phone and then he telephone conversation from the office could the overhead by Mike at the hang. Oh Style Mike could've heard any Powell making arrangements with the partners to be flown to Branchville and so we could have known about the twenty five thousand dollars Ali smart girl yet. Cleverness must be catching asked Mary. I'm told that one little break. I thought only text Bill Joe you about Collins money and only those three new about one of those three. I have to be guilty catch on do hey. Hey look. WHO's coming across the field? The faraday running to one as excited about. I WanNa talk to you. What's the matter all pal? You need me to solve another case for him. I WanNa know something. Well if I tell you it'll be one thing you know. Look you high call planes bill. Kansas where my father was supposed to be sick. He didn't send Mike any Telegram today. Oh that's right Faraday I got to tell you about that. I might kill Howland Mrs Carrington. Who saw him do it so I sent that telegram myself use a very simple as Mary? I had to be sure and one way was to find out whether or not Mike. It's still the the money I knew. He was too smart to hide it here field or at his home and I knew he wouldn't spend any of it here. Oh I get it. All Mike needed was an opportunity to get out of town natural. Honey you knew that his father was taking wired and one and you knew that even Mike Wooden perspective checkup heard from his father again Mary so when Faraday here gave my commission to leave town and Mike was safe to pick up the money. beat it out of town. Well I'll be so you trip. Mike were that way far. And because of that wire you got a confession from him with. There's no strings attached the Dick colmer starring as Boston. Blackie November twenty. 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Ouch now what's happened. I just nicked myself again with this confounded raising all yes. I'm not used to talking while I shave my talk lures and until you started now but you were singing much different I don't know what I'm so happy about it contagious. You caught it from me. I just I just remembered that we have to have dinner with your aunt Louise Tonight. Well we have to eat somewhere as well bid at in the wheezes on the theory. That if you're going to be shot you might as well be hung. We wouldn't be saddled enough to eat at home anyway. We can leave early. Takes more time for people to get up in the morning then for one. Actually it takes twice as long David Top. If you kiss me it'll take twice as long again out and you smell pretty. That's a nice way for a man. The smell I love the way men smell of shaving soap. You had a lot of experience. Oh dear and I. I tried so hard to keep my past secrets David. I never dreamed an architect did more than just draw. Pictures on paper. Never Dream in an architect doesn't do what doesn't do more than just draw pretty pictures on pieces of colored paper. Oh where's my tie. Oh here it is. That's only the beginning. He supervises the construction schedules. The work gets the Mason finished before the Carbon Start and the carpenters out before the plumbers. The plumbers out out before the electric electric lines out before the painters and architects work is never done should be useful to an architect very useful to this architect indispensable in fact. I don't know how this particular architect ever got along without without you. David will never get to praxis. All right come along. You'd rather eat. I wouldn't rather oh darling I can't believe it will be in our own apartment tonight. It'll be like a honeymoon. I wish I could be sure. The painters will be finished cousin cousin. We couldn't wait and they promised they'd be out. I don't trust painters promises woman's time you sure we'll have something to sleep on this too. I promise to. I ordered the beds to be delivered. The staff and the kitchen stuff's coming. Maybe I have been missing out and not having a woman pod. You've got one now how to fit here Yar. It was a lot of furniture and boxes delivered for US yours devastating in the bit Lem. Everything in that little room is going to be awfully crowded. I moved out again and the paint as finished. Initially when the painter Finney he promised to be all through. Today it'd be the five o'clock shopping will be finished the floors and out. So you got to highly Mrs Know Certainly will hurt Mr not know. Be here any minute I give you your keys and I will be downstairs if you want me. Thank you but I don't think I need to tell tomorrow for you. Just go I've got measures. Oh you're the painter. What are you doing year law? Mrs Promise faithfully would be finished with the painting this afternoon. Won't you be. I'll be out just a little more go capital way. You walk over there. I left path boy in the bedroom. never tailed Lal Eddie tenants. Wanting things hurry. They just don't seem to want to paint dry. I'm sorry I've been a nuisance to you but I was so anxious to Galway's people anxious to get in and then come the moving men and they don't care for painters slam bang now in around. That's too bad nobody cares about pain. The paper hangers is the worst of all paper and paste all over the place competition. I guess that's what it is so I guess that's what it is but we're lucky we are having any paper at least all pain. Yeah but you'll be having lookout lady for the wet floor going into the bedroom addresses. That's what they all say someone else coming. Hey not so fast lead paint. You can't come in watch trout. He'll watch how am I GONNA get. This law fainted. If people are gonNA be tromping across it I promise. I won't trump you see I live. Yeah Lady of the House. She's in a back bedroom. Did you hear what he called me. Wonderful what the painter you call Me Lady of the House. I don't know when anything is made me feel as in our eight is that David What Sun's gone. Well maybe it has a date with some other apartment down the stretch. We better hurry right now. And get dressed Brat. Louise's dinner do say dress. Didn't I tell you I was so busy. I just. She called this morning and especially and I told her we would. That was nice have you. You promised your at Louise and I'm the one that has to crawl into a boil shirt. Why do we have to dress up? Well that's what I didn't tell you. Well tell me now at we thought it would be a good idea for us to meet her friends. The van Meryl's because they are going to do over their house than she thought it would be nice for them to meet an architect boil shirt. Do you know what I think. Now I think at Louisa as a colossal pain in the neck the job. Oh there's no possible way of getting out of it anyway. Mom Be Their Day so it won't be so terribly bad for you now. Let's see if our friend the painters finished the coast is player not good. I'm already Eddie. Hold on a minute. What's wrong or painter with? The persecution complex has painted himself out the front door and he's painted us in and David he couldn't have. He promised he'd be finished. And we could move in this afternoon. Dauphin think did he actually promised that we could move in this afternoon. Well did he. Didn't he well. Maybe not exactly. But that's what he implied. He said he'd be finished this afternoon and any sensible person would think that with the painters. Got Any sensible person with no that paint takes a number of hours to dry. That's very inconsiderate of but anyway couldn't we tip talker on the theory that tip toes. Don't count off good but we leave our pretty little tip toes. It was permanently recorded on our living room floor. Oh condemn painted over tomorrow. They could when you would undoubtedly get yourself fainted and again on a next time might not be my luck to be painted in with you. We've got to get out. What paint would say we're not not going to get out? You seem to be enjoying this. I have an idea you planned it all me. I have absolutely nothing to do with David. This isn't any joke about Louise's dinner party. I was thinking of that. What were you thinking? I was thinking how nice it was. We couldn't go go terrible. So terrible about being cooped up with me under the best laid schemes of mice and men often workout gotten the most wonderful way. David van Meryl's and the cousins Hamadou was really being given for us dialing. I've ruined everything and I wanted. That'd be suggest you couldn't have done better even if you'd known what you were doing to be really honest I don't Wanna go either only what I'll need as cloud every silver lining if we miss that Louise's dinner party. We want to eat with star. We'll we'll get foods now you say wait a minute. Good that you can't scream out of a window. Oh my captain neighbors. I don't give a hoot fret I know but you come up there yeah I it was just too far below. Oh David you've ruined our reputation. That's better than ruining the pain. I'm not sure I am downing. I feel like an awful fool. Did I say you weren't really thing to have done. People do lot sillier things fall out of love get divorced and if as the Norton. Oh Yeah Fridge Mrs Norton Sweat. The painter told me you had gone out but you had not gone out very definitely we had not gone out and now it would seem that very definitely we are not going to go often troubles at all. In fact we can manage beautifully. Talk with your health. What could I do well? If you get along broome example you could reach some food across to us without touching the floor. That would be good. There's the food well if you could run down to the DELICATESSEN. For example you could get some for roast beef sandwich not no cheese and to speak than we can split all right with mustard and some pickles. Jewish you sure. This is fun David. Louisa I'll fix that too. Can you reach the telephone there in the Foyer Fritz. Yes I can me too plaza fight for seven seven. I am dialing plaza. Five four or seven seven so I did. Now you ask for Mrs Brown Teller. You have a message from Mr not. Be there by now architect your genius. I don't miss his teeth breath. WHO WHO AM I? I'm Fritz. Yeah I hold on a somebody speaking Irish. That's what I want to speak to Mrs Brown about in what Mrs Norton's mother now. Oh a decimated. I haven't message to give you for Mr North a message from Mr Gnawed coming terrible all. It's been an accident. He is with Mrs Norton in the Fifth Woman. He can't come to the phone. The painter painted them in. Yeah painted him invisible painting Ritz. Your Genius Teller We. He can't come to dinner. He says he can't come to dinner. I mean they can't come to dinner. Yeah thank you. Goodbye US very excited. Then she was laughing. She said she doesn't thought you. I the painting the understanding of just lives Organiz. Other people's lives is one thing that Louisa Catalog Nuys and that's wet paint This broadcast of Claudio was supervised and directed by William Brown Maloney. Let's see what's needed to make Thursdays holiday complete. How about your supply? coca-cola you'll want plenty of ice on that day of all days you can have that pick up a case at the food store or a service station when he's riding by he's always glad to oblige when it's coke you ask them to bring home and the children are happy to see that that case of refreshment and hospitality every day Monday through Friday. 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It's a captain sitting in our area is how it has a lot to do with snow and alcohol so The number eight five five four five zero three seven three three call in and talk about whatever ever you want but we also bring stuff in and say you know a lot of free talk live is about is about freedom in ED practical application for freedom in your life we'll talk about a lot of things are theoretical but there's the the biggest thing you can do for practical application for freedom in your life is to save money and not be controlled by debt and end retire early and be able to spend time with your family. Be Able to go where you want. Do what you want. And all these things center around your spending habits habits they certainly do. 'cause I've said it here on the air and it certainly isn't mind. It's not what you make. It's what you spend and we are going into that time time of the year when spending what it's all about they call it black Friday because they go into the black from supposedly I. I'm pretty sure that retailers there's have been in the black for a long time but Let's let's go ahead and play along with their magic little world where they don't make any money till December okay uh-huh and this story coming from. Yahoo is disturbs me because I consider sort of frugality to be the cornerstone of living You know a free life. Indeed with a hundred and sixty five million people expected to shop over this five day weekend which means by the way that more than half of America is not and I was gonna say that's like half the population yeah thereabouts and by the away. This is You know that that's the weekend that was ending and spend more than last year. Borrowing is also on the rise by using credit cards as popular Goto. WHO option around Christmas holiday loans are also gaining traction? One in three Americans have or are planning to take out a personal loan loan to cover holiday shopping expenses. I didn't even know this existed Canton I I. I've not heard of this. It's not been marketed to me. I have not received an email email a phone call a letter in the mail that says hey captain. Would you like to take out a loan to cover your Christmas gift buying expenses so I mean of. Of course I've heard of credit cards. I'm not that far under a rock. I think credit cards are great as long as you pay them off at the end of the month. But that's the trick right is that they give them mm to you in the hopes that you don't and clearly they're still giving them out which leads me to believe that people are not paying them off at the end of the month. Oh no they're not consumer. The debt is on the rise and I remember a year. He was two thousand and five in that year Americans spent more they made. Do you know what happened in that year. No the great recession. The the housing the housing crisis started began which which then kicked off the great recession. After that those two thousand eight right. Yeah something in there somewhere on the whole thing but I can tell you you know three four four five six you decide for your family how long it was years of economic hardship followed bad bad spending habits by Americans. I don't understand I realize that it's the holiday season thing right and this is you know those folks in markets such as credit cards for example personal loans. You know that kind of thing trying to drum up business make more money for themselves. But I don't understand you know first of all like the holiday season in my opinion should just be hanging out with family and friends right gift-giving like if somebody in your life has done something for you or or you want to do something for them. Stop letting it be just around this time of year. You know anytime of year is a good time to give somebody a gift. Yeah and in fact I would argue that. It makes it a little more special if you don't do it around the holidays unquote and I do. I mean I can kinda see Z.. Gifts if you've got a big family so you've got a big family and y'all like to do Christmas at the house and everybody has gifts and it's part of the thing is gift giving the fine but you need to control your spending. I mean if we're talking coffee cups for everybody okay if you go into debt for it right like that just seems obscure to me so you know my mother demands to be able to give give gifts During holiday we My wife and I choose not to give each other gifts for anything Because the presumption is that we want something we'll discuss discuss it with the other person and we'll get that thing whatever it is true and if it's small will have bought already and if it is big you'd better have a discussion before you just go and and get that because maybe I wanted read or whatever and but you know I. It's fair so she wants to get me sweaters. She wants to get me socks she she wants to get me underpants and I appreciate those things I do now. Those don't cost much and I ask for gifts that don't cost much. Sometimes she'll ask and sometimes there's all say it has happened. There's this thing that I would not spend money on myself but I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea. And then maybe she'll get that I. I don't know I wouldn't remember because I wouldn't have if I wanted it that badly. I would have got it but we have a kid and obviously he has some expectation for gifts. My wife and I give my son who's eleven years old one present from us for Christmas and one for his birthday and it's usually something that he you know he's he's planning on this. It's it's a three figure gift. Okay you know I try not to make it too expensive but okay I can do this. And then maybe some things stock stocking suffer kind of things really small stuff my mother and my in laws they buy them things. And he's the kid that's in the vicinity. My mother doesn't have any grandchildren. My inlaws only have one. That's nearby and of course they send stuff to the others whatever they want about buy gifts and that's fine and that's to me. What what Christmas is about? But if you want to buy something buy something little or here's my personal favorite. This is what I prefer to get at. Christmas is something I can consume. I'm right now. Make me a gift that I can eat. Well yeah you're touching on something very very much that is my preference which is Not Bad touch. Good touch the point of making a gift right. I can tell you that. Some of the coolest gifts that I've ever either received or or even given to somebody else have been something that I made And I started to seep into my brain just from doing music right One of my friends musician. Kinda guy broke because he spent all his money on going on tour. Whatever holiday season rolled around? But he had a little four-track portable studio kind of thing put a mic up recorded a couple of Christmas songs that he wrote himself. You know and like gave that out for Christmas. That was his his presence to anybody. Really I mean think about that right that's a reproducible gift in the digital age that he and like everybody was he was the talk of the gift giving in community For that particular gift instead of going out and buying something from the big ticket store Amazon. Or what have you you know regardless of the cost you know. What did it cost this guy to do it? Some time some heart. It was made with love. You know what I mean and so that was the gift that like sort of seemed to rise to the top and that's the type of the different. I prefer to give and receive. If I'm going to for me. Something that happened last year that I recall and I don't really recall much about gifts left last year but I recall this one. A friend of my wife heard me say that I like rice. crispy treats homemade rice. crispy treats not the ones you buy in the right. And she decided to make me a little gift of four rice crispy treats remained with like regular ones and the cocoa ones and the fruity pebbles ones. And you get the weed ones I. I don't know I don't know weed ones my remember those problems and I'm not even sure what the the fourth one was. But I remember there were four and I thought wow this is great. I enjoyed them You know there were some. I liked better than others but that I got to find out. I don't know that I've ever had anything like that. And and I can't imagine that was terribly costly right right and I was you know it was great gift not everybody likes Rice. crispy treats as much as I do but Komo Fudge. There's a winner about just Like homemade cookies people who bake right. Yeah no doubt are my favorites right. The the Chris the cookies that go around Christmas uh-huh what does those things. There's cookies that you get that are decorated in all different shapes. That just come out at Christmas time. 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Is I believe the article alludes to anyway and and I I don't have the highest hopes for America This is this is an ongoing theme for several years here. Captain and the reason is is i. Don't think Americans and I don't know about the rest of the world. I've only lived in one place. I don't think Americans really learn lessons. I think they are fat and lazy. And Sassy and don't learn crap. We learn from the past that people seldom learn from the past. Okay so here's what the Mongols did right or the I should say say the Laker Gang. Sarasin Horse Right. Okay sorry my bad. Yeah so these guys Mongols are a specific type. So let's go with Saracens the SARACENS would you know every couple of hundred years raid some city and take it over. And and then they'd rule it for a generation or two or three and then lose it and the reason is according to them what their philosophy was is that our children just become too fat and lazy and Sassine. You know they don't know anything about being you know hard warrior and all that other stuff he had other wearing silken find clothes and You know they we. We got here because we were drinking. fermented Mare's milk out on the steps. Yes and that's all we had and we liked it and we walked uphill both ways. And the whole you've heard the you so one of the points where they had some success with they they were sending all the noble kids back out to basically Mongol camp out on the steps go live a hard life kid. Come back when you're tough right right and I'm I don't know whether they did it the whole time or just a portion of their youth exactly how it went but I thought this is kind of what we do would cap you know. Send my kids to go sleep in sheds and be eaten up by mosquitoes. So there'll be a little tougher and I think it's a great idea but we don't. We'll have that kind of my generation generation X. isn't exactly the rough hewn rugged individualist that perhaps perhaps some generations prior to us were. I mean the greatest generation loves to take that little little name for themselves. Greatest Chitter little egotistical is to call. Yes but I mean there's something about somebody who came out of the depression that has a you know a little harder edge to it. Yeah now what did do is we had to go through the great recession and other generations did too but you know I kind of think of by my my family started right. My son was born in two thousand and eight and we were forged in this particular timeframe one paycheck back and pay our house off in less than three years on a middle-class paycheck. Well so and I'm very proud of my wife for that accomplishment. I do take any credit for it at all. No that's impressive. And what she had to relent. There was one meal out a week Usually like Pete searched for fried chicken. It's nothing really really super fancy but one meal out per weaken we scrimped and saved and I feel like we learned some lessons in our family regarding that however however I'm very concerned that some Americans are not learning this lesson when I read an article from Yahoo News that says that one in three Americans is looking at taking a special holiday personal loan. That doesn't touch on the ones that are going to use credit cards to go into debt this holiday season which says to me that probably you too thirds of Americans are gonNA dead it up this holiday season and to me. There's no I mean think about this for a second ladies and gentlemen among the ones that are going to go into the debt this holiday season. The person for whom you're buying that gift would they really want you in debt to buy them. Whatever that gift is I mean yes? There's some awesome gifts out there. No doubt but for me most of them are just crap you know I mean I got all the sweaters I really need I can. I can limp by on on sweaters and socks and head Ed and UNDIES. Have you ever made franken sweater out of all like you know the Christmas sweaters. I don't make anything. I can go goodwill if I need in an extra sweater. I don't think it's a good idea to go into debt for really anything. I know that some of it's really not avoidable in in this day and age right like I mean I try to avoid debt like I just paid cash for a used car. I've never owned a new car. Ever I have financed danced couple of vehicles. They've always been used vehicles. But only I I take my finances very seriously so I only financed you know a very low payment. That was within my budget where I felt that you know whatever my income was I was going to be able to maintain for the duration of time to three years generally speaking So there's a bit of responsibility ability to has to go along with it so you know I'm not willing to say you know folks should not go into debt for holiday gift giving but it's a good idea Diana to it's a really good idea to continue to keep this in mind when you're out there. Buying gifts is that I remember when I used it when I was in high school I bought a lot of gifts for people for some reason. I thought it was a great idea to give gifts to everybody but I usually came up with the budget. And what I'm saying is as if you're going to go into debt this holiday season look at that list again and cut those budgets and see if you can make something something on your own. I recommend food. Because we've all got mouths. I maybe there's more vegans now than You know I don't live that way. You Make Fudge for me. I'm happy right right but but I'm really kind of concerned with this article where I say. Let's say holiday loans or personal loans ranging from five hundred to five thousand with with short repayment terms of a few months to a year. They require no collateral and often come with high fees and interest rates so Eight percent to fourteen percent. I wouldn't call that high when some twenty three but sounds like payday loans are in there too right. Well A payday. If you payday loans you really need to rethink your life. I mean okay so the concern. Is these loans. Give consumers a false sense of financial security making them feel like they're in better shape than they actually are and could lead to taking on more debt. And it's pretty obvious. When you are shelling out cash that your spending more more than you would otherwise and the financial system is wacky too? So for example I have been responsible I have avoided a debt as much as possible. Like I said I had a few You know used car loans. You know that kind of thing but I avoid credit cards that kind of thing and then I went to try and qualify for a home loan right because you know I'm I'm at a point in my life I you know I've I haven't bought a house. I should think about that right. I'd like to retire. There's that I resigned. And it turns out that I suffer from something called underutilisation and let's say that my credit is fair to Midland. But nobody will give me alone alone. Because I don't have any active lines of credit so I literally would have to go into debt more to establish some small lines of credit to show that I've have utilized credit. That's available it ordered to qualify to buy it. which is the most ridiculous thing I've been told as I understand it? You need to go online fine and Google sort of the term that you talked about their the credit problem and that there's some solutions that are sort of less costly there are and I've looked into them but man it's ridiculous Nicholas and I've got a another big statistic here about consumer eight five five four five zero three seven three three. It's eight fifty five four fifty free as in free talk live. Would it be nice to wake in the morning whenever you want and work whenever you feel like it date women under your terms instead of societies be a completely completely free man. I'm Caleb Jones and I have taught hundreds of thousands of men how to create low work high income businesses and how to date women under your for terms come to our free Webinar with alive. QNA with me see you can learn how to create location independent income and date women the way you want go to Alpha Dot freetalklive dot com. 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It's eight hundred seven one four eighteen to better plans dot net and look at it This this news story story here where they're talking about one in three Americans taking out. This sort of holiday consumer loan not critic not going into debt on credit carts I'm presuming alone of some sort. I'm presuming that knocks us up to Probably two thirds of Americans go into debt for the holiday season this year. But I wanna read read some of these stats in here. We've been talking about better ways to do this. And if you need some ideas there's always archives dot freetalklive dot com. You can always get the show and and listen but I mean it says one in six consumers so they say what in threes go into debt but one in six consumers is still paying hang off last year's holiday debt on their credit cards after racking up seven hundred and forty five dollars in outstanding balances on average so not even done paying off. Last year's Christmas GonNa go into more debt. This Christmas smart yet. Outstanding debt is likely to increase this holiday season as average spending forecasted to hit one thousand forty seven dollars. That's a huge. Oh this I see that's what their debt was. I'm sorry it's a four percent increase from last year and a twenty five percent rise from the in the last decade according to the national retail. Federation so I mean who knows how much people will go into debt over this holiday season average. But I'm just GONNA say look the average American can't put their hands on one thousand dollars right and if you're one of those people this is how you now ladies and gentlemen if you're one of those people you need to keep the spending down to something something manageable and manageable. I mean don't go into debt on it and I'm speaking as a guy who buys almost no Christmas gifts. I make agreements with people. Look I don't really want anything for this Christmas that way. I don't have to do any shopping and you don't have to do any shopping. Let's just agree to like each other. Yeah come on over for a party. They'll be cocoa and an beers and we can do these sorts of things and then trump pie right all those things. The holidays often come with high expectations which can be detrimental title. Six in ten people. Feel the pressure to overspend this during the season. I must be one of those four in ten and I don't Know Oh i. It's been a long time since I had any consideration that I felt like I had to buy a gift for somebody so I just say make agreements that you don't but they recommend setting limits rather than buying presents. You can't afford talk to family members about price limits or gift exchange see. You don't have to purchase the entire family gifts. There's the sort of round robin things I don't know what they're called Santa's and I was just thinking that a really good holiday gift. If you find yourself in a position where are you. Have you know some wealth to spread around. You WanNa spread some holiday. Cheer help other people pay off their debt. How about that it? Yeah so they gotTa White Elephant Gift Exchange Secret. Santa's I've heard of all these things. I'm not They also recommend selling items so this is a good time of year a cell unwanted items since many shoppers buy us gifts on Ebay and craigslist. Boswell said if you have items you no longer use you can use the proceeds the sale to buy gifts this year. I'm done with the recycling thing like you know. There are plenty of used products out there that other people have had and didn't use and they're just as good as brand new and there's as you know if you are feeling like giving a gift. There's no reason to not consider that before you consider buying something new right and they say plan ahead You you got to set a budget know what you're going to spend in gifts and spend what you're going to spend in gifts write it down. Write down who. You're going to buy things for four. Write down how much you're GONNA do and figure out where the money's coming from and don't let it be debt. Is My recommendation here. If I I mean that's that's it. I going to take a firm stand that debts. A bad idea around the holiday season one in six Americans still carrying the debt from last last year. That's insane just to think about that. You haven't paid off here. It is you know December first week of December. Whatever it is and folks haven't uneven paid off what they bought last year? Well it's insane it that that's our society. I mean like the information. That's coming from retailers Taylor's and the Federal Reserve and the government and all that stuff is spend spend spend spend spend spirit what you have now right go into debt is their their motto. It seems I mean the the federal government has never not been in debt true and so I mean what kind of example are they setting. Where'd you learn it from other different lodging you? That's exactly right. This is your brain on debt. That same philosophy about like the the shooter's tres. Right the mass murderers or whatever is that you know where to folks learn that. It's okay to do some sort of a mass killing well from the government. Of course. Yeah I don't know I mean I don't think that too many of them look up wounded knee or whatever it is and and say well you know. This is the government's During this these mass ask killings I mean certainly we have a society based on violence. But I kind of feel like that's inevitable with humans. I like to put in people's hands concrete concrete things that they can do to make their lives better and it's was I'm happy to talk about the theoretical stuff but there's only so much you can do. You can choose to be a total pacifist in your life. And how does it change the world. Well maybe a little. Maybe somebody says Oh. That's a good idea. And they try it for a little while while or whatever it is but I don't feel like it well circling back to the to the thing though and I guess the point I was trying to get at with the buying a home and having to having having to go into debt to gain a somebody who will then be enough money. That's like okay. I've been responsible gone out of my way but I'm being punished. I I can't get the same kind of alone that somebody else can get because I haven't utilized my credit and that is a ridiculous thing like I I mean you can ask any of my you know my landlords. You know that kind of thing. I do have credit references. They'll give me a stellar reference. But it's just because I haven't utilized credit in a number of years leaders that it doesn't show up and so therefore I don't even get like if I had horrible credit. I would get consideration before I get consideration for just like not not being in debt which is ridiculous. 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DOT FM And it's free talk live. Call one eight five five four five zero three seven three three eight fifty five four fifty freeze and freedom and we're talking about holiday today debt and our our our. We're begging you don't go into holiday test lease because your freedom really enlarge. Pardon depend on the depends on your bank account balance and you can do. Will you know you can advocate for this sort of freedom and that sort of freedom. But that's just people talking. You can be free if you're still control your spending. We'll tell you about liberty dot menu if you believe in freedom you. Maybe you're like other libertarians. Out Out there who have been wanting a directory of liberty minded businesses. Well we're helping to build one. We're sponsoring him. Liberty Dot Menu Liberty Dot Menus a tool for our community at at its courts. Directory for events businesses and digital content listings can be rated and reviewed and there's a bit of a social networking aspects. 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Where like you know the husband or the wife walks out into the driveway and there's a bow on the brand new car? Well it's marketing and it's you know it's clever marketing but It's stupid I mean I mean if you if if you want to see a new car better off getting a low mileage US vehicle or something modest I mean but Like Credit Cards Arjun and their tools. You know I look at him as like something using a drastic emergency happens. You don't have the cash for something or or And you you know like you said earlier pay them off every month but When I was younger I didn't know crap about money and I learned my lesson the hard way and You know it seems like a lot of people have gotten the lessons after the last recession. You know you know. Don't get into debt. Where if anything goes wrong your spirit you know you lose your job you have nothing you know you're you're when you're scrambling for Rocha money and all this and I know it's easy to do but you know it sounds old-fashioned but little little below? Oh you're means you had your income and you live a little bit below that you yourself a cushion and you know especially Libertarians. Talk about freedom and all this all the time I and when you open people you can't just get up and leave. You can't just can't do what you want. You got to do. The responsible thing right. They say they say a little bit of savings they call that a F- you money right so you know if somebody in your life I'm thinking boss gives you some trouble you can say F.. You ooh I'm out of here and I don't recommend that as a way to get a hold but every once in a while you run across somebody in life who needs a good seal seal later alligator i. If if you didn't like the front of me you shrink elect the back of me goodbye. Yeah I've had that feeling before where you all it's panic mode and I've vowed never to get that way again I'll splurge sometimes stuff you know. I like to buy things things and I love the holidays. And everything but cash is King Mandal getting the debt for a toy or present or anything. I I am cousin getting married and had a very modest wedding you know they. It was very low key and you go. Somebody's other weddings man getting debt. So these things and it's like an extravagant thousand dollars forty thousand dollars. I've heard these numbers and I. It's stunning to me. I mean these are down payments for houses and somebody's somebody's paying paying this for a party. I mean hot. What kind of expectations have we upset in our young people? If this is what's happening my wife and I I had to had to pay for her parents paid for the catering which by the way was awful But we we had to do our own wedding and we did it at a church and we managed to do it for under a thousand dollars most of that was the PSA premium be. It can be he just nice and just for special you know a wedding or something like that on a low budget. You know you don't need you. Don't need to be Mardi gras man. I mean you're getting in debt for thirty forty forty thousand dollars for a five six hour. Yes it's ridiculous. I can understand on on one level that particularly from like the female perspective in a wedding. That you know. I used to play in heavy metal bands and I've been on stage in front of a packed house. You know. I know what it feels like to be a Rockstar for a day for a few hours and I get that from the female perspective. The wedding is built up in their minds to be the sort of like. It's my day to be a Rockstar. All right and so they literally WanNa sacrifice everything to feel like that Rockstar for that day. Because that's probably the closest most folks are going to get to like being an actual Rockstar Star on stage and having that feeling so from that perspective. I understand the sentiment but I also find it ridiculous to spend that kind of money on just the event itself when you would be far better off planning for the rest of your life using that money in a completely different way. Yeah you you know. If you WANNA spend on the money you know have a nice honeymoon or Or put the money for a down payment on a house or something something smart but you know people will. I don't I've never understood people getting debt for like Christmas and stuff like that and it just I don't know I guess I'm cheat while well I mean or smart call cheap if if if you want that's but I'm not in debt and I you know I went to a Christian school. I didn't learn a heck of a lot there but one thing I learned was that the borrowers the servant of the Lindor. And that's true because I intend to pay back all the debts that I take now. Yeah sure there's people out there you lend money to and it's gone like the wind and that's one of the reasons I don't really loan money to darn often because I I don't WanNa find out which one of my friends are worth loan money to and which ones aren't muscle real thumb. Never lend more than you're willing to lose while they. Yeah I mean I have found friends that I'm like okay alone some money and because I'm sure I'm going to get it back and you know but for me the feeling of loss worse than the loss. I just don't want that feeling if it's a friend or somebody family member and you you're Kinda like you doubt. Uh they'll probably ever bags if you can afford to lose it. Here's a gift you know you just I mean that's just the way I look at it. You know now. There are people that you can trust because you know you know their work ethic or whatever but yeah it's sad that mankind. Ah I don't give you never know when another recession coming. You know you never know. Next week I keep hearing next year. Who knows you knows what's going to happen from statistically statistically you know the value of the US dollar the Federal Reserve Note Is never going to become worth more. Show it's only going to go down as we continue to see these quantitative easing type of tactics and that's another aspect that Was it's probably worth mentioning. Here's his win the credit card companies or I should shorten that to banks because that's what they are when banks loan money. They're not loaning their money their loaning a portion of their money. Because you need like nine one two nine ratio of deposits for You know Loans so when they're loaning money they're loaning you twelve cents on the dollar. There's no real risk for them and the loan and then you know they build all that stuff in and so when you make alone. You're boning real dollars. You earned every one of those thousand dollars you're loaning out and if you're gonNA alone at six percent to a friend then and you know the real inflation is something like two or three percent shadow. Inflation they say is is six seventy eight percent so you're losing money anyway by doing these loans and then you're dealing with a situation where the friends not gonNA pay back. I'm just saying Dan don't go into debt. This holiday season this is my recommendation. Learn the lessons of the great recession and live your life like this. Because that's what I've decided to. Ah Give yourself that gift this holiday season. Yeah and that's what you relatives and friends want for you anyway. They'd rather you be economically free. He then to give some twenty dollar gift. That probably isn't gonNA use just saying Joe. Thanks for the call. 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You know I've heard I've been doing this for twenty years These news stories changed the places in the names that it places the name change but the the stories stays the same. Might you be talking about the article with the headline. Maybe abolishing America's police force isn't as crazy he is. It sounds right now. What I'm hoping for from this article is somebody who's taken some time to do some research and really come up with some great eight ideas on what it would be like? The world would be like with abolishing the police force. I hope I'm not hearing some screaming. Black Blocker stripling scrawling stuff on the Internet between Molotov Tov cocktail tosses. Should we find out the ALLISTON. Let's go to the article. This is from underground reporter Dot Org are police. It's necessary although this existential question often produces a knee jerk. Of course they are. Who would protect us? That's well my my thought is similar to this. Is that basically basically no matter what we need a protection force of some sort whether it's hired by a neighborhood or you know hired heard by an individual. I mean there are people out there that higher protection forces for themselves. You and I agree on that My problem with the polices. Of course they're funded by the state they're based in violence and if you don't like the service that they provide you can't do anything about it so my thought on police is actually a little different than it is on most government programs and I think that most government programs you can attack based on their funding and certainly it is true. True that behind schools police are the largest cost for a community. I obviously some communities. It's different but you know what I see the little communities out there. They're spending money on schools and then Copson that goes down from there. Firefighters tend to be a little ways down but honestly as a firefighter air fighter. I'm going to tell you that there would probably be some efficiencies introduced to the marketplace firefighters were more market oriented this maybe maybe your fire department servicing thirty five hundred people in rural wherever doesn't need a ladder truck right. Maybe it doesn't maybe I don't know how many three story buildings are there in town. Maybe I mean we'd all be better off. With some fire extinguishers in the kitchen right and I'm adamant what about that by the way but you know whatever as far as police go a lot of times. They're so first off when it comes to traffic nick stops. This is one of the things that people like cops for this. Is that when that guy who went by is driving like a maniac. Okay I get it well. Part of driving like a maniac is going over the speed limit and we have technology now which is speed cameras that can handle the dispensing of tickets for people going Over the limit and it doesn't include distracting lights on the side of the road. It doesn't include half of the police deaths per year up to half of the police. Deaths per year can be getting knocked into a ditch. Because they're standing in a A. You know walking the road or standing the road of this this whole policy of pulling people over on the side of the road sometimes on bridges. It's crazy to me but it's part of the job is dangerous and the lights are there. I mean ask any emergency worker. How many the people have been in rex right next to the wreck that you're dealing with I was in one and then another one happened while folks were helping me out of my car are who pulled over to? Let's be a rubber neckers now. They just can't help themselves but the lights through their designed to distract people but would you believe a growing call for for the abolition of police and working examples to back it up deserves more than a scornful dismissal. Particularly amid epidemic level violence by agents agents of the state police are under no obligation to protect the public. They putatively serve a series of state Supreme Court decision stretching back more than three. Three decades indisputably establishes this fact so the lingering question who will protect us is of no consequence to the case for dismissing every police as departments in the nation right so police departments. I don't actually have a responsibility for protecting. By the way I was I was making the point that funding isn't the way I'd go after police departments. What I'd say is that police individually and as a unit should be responsible for their actions? Yes and I don't mean taxpayers. I mean police right. Yes right if you if you are. I don't know you get into some altercation. Location with a an officer of the law and he bangs over the head with his baton. And you sue for police brutality or something along those and it's seen by jury Correa's is and you win that case The money you win does not come from the police officer. Who beat you over the head with a baton? It in fact comes comes from the tax payers so the taxpayers lose no matter what right and that to me is the problem and if police departments and police officers were responsible for their actions actions. I don't think this is a radical notion. I'm not trying to say that we should get disband all police. I'm simply saying that officers should be responsible for their actions just like every other person out there is responsible for their actions. Make police responsible for. There's too well we know that Police Kill Maim. Intimidate harass generally brutalized the citizenry with alarming frequency. I think this guy might have a an extra credit and aimed rarely face consequences beyond a paid vacation. In the case are szekely termed administrative leave for doing so rather than sometimes they get their jobs jobs back years later with all the pay reinstated or they. They'll get fired. From whatever department they worked at and then they resurface six months later. Bet some other town down in working at their department at the same rate of pay if not more you know and you're right. They're not held responsible rather than fight and solve violent crimes police act. There's little more than heavily militarized code enforcers or is David Graeber of the London. School of Economics aptly terms bureaucrats with weapons. I like fundraisers. Fundraisers armed fundraisers. Because I mean you know cops know they've got quotas now they may not call them quotas. This is You know they've got other code terms for for it but I mean if you're a city a municipality and you've got a police department and that line item costs money and you've got to find you you know maybe it's supposed to generate. Maybe the police department supposed to generate money. Because they're one of the few out there that can send bills and those bills have to be paid eight or else and you know. I don't know what a COP makes. In a given day it depends on the department. Some of its thirty thousand dollars a year. Some of its one hundred and really just depends but yeah they can lay out tickets to cover their daily cost. So these weaponized fundraisers are are protecting us from all sorts of things like broken tail lights missing front license plates and imperfect lane changes more often than from robbery homicide end rape far more often. My favorite is the weaving inside your own lane hocus. You're saying I was in my lane. I got a I got into an accident. I hit some black ice flipped. Hot Truck Shoot Guy and yeah. I almost died. Yes you did. And that was actually my first attempt to move to New Hampshire about five years ago so but you know Phoenix I rose once again and here I am but I got a ticket for driving with my wheels is off the roadway so the car flipped on the black ice and they decided to give you a ticket so in in a market situation. Whoever provided the road I might be able to hold responsible for not keeping the road under appropriate driving conditions or not closing the road if conditions were inappropriate but but because it was a state funded roadway as many of them are? I was not able to do so. And in fact I had to pay for the privilege of of driving on the roadway which was not suitable for driving upon addition to having been taxed for it so they made some money off of you losing control on their poorly maintained road. It's an awesome deal. I had a situation once where The town I was living in day They sent me in. I was involved in a situation. Where a dog with a dog call a dog had gotten out and killed a bunch of chickens over at a friend's house at a neighbor's house? Okay and the a police officer ends up there and writes a ticket to the guy who got out but I mean it's not like the guy who's chickens got killed is going to get anything anything that you get a ticket to. No no no no. Don't tickets for him but he's didn't he's not GonNa get any money either. No chicken tickets tickets. I get it eight five five four five zero zero three seven three three. They said it was a civil matter. Eight five five. Four fifty free is free. Talk Live what could is living in a free society if you don't live a free life being stuck in a job or being locked into a relationship. But you're not free to do you want I'm Caleb. Jones and I taught hundreds of thousands of men had to create low work high income businesses and how to date women under your terms come to our free Webinar with the live Q.. And A. 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It's free talk live liven. Hey you're free to call in and talk about whatever you WanNa talk about. That's what we do here on Free Talk Live. It's mark with you and the captain now. We're reading an article here about where you know somebody who's done a little bit of research is suggesting that quite possibly we could live without the particular government service of policing now. I'm of the opinion that I'm fine with this. What I call the what we as it's been called the nightwatchman government you know cops courts roads military that kind of thing? I get it but I'm also open to somebody talking about well. Do we have to continue to do things things the way that we've always done them. And if it's not if people aren't they're out there thinking about those things were always going to do the same things we've always done and and that's not desirable. Yeah we need innovation where they're currently isn't any also speaking about innovation i. There's great crypto currency. 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Certainly the article goes on to say a bunch of things that we've covered on this show previously Like you know the police have been involved in this shooting that shooting in that sort of thing and yeah we. The citizenry are not nails to be forcibly and violently cougars to the submission mission over the tiniest of nonviolent inconsequential infraction. And I would say this. Is that one thing that it's probably worth people. Understanding branding is that every disobedience is potentially a death sentence so let's say you're driving along and you've got a tail light out now the in all likelihood everything's going to be fine and you're going to get home if you're not stopped by a cop but if you decide I'm I'm not pulling over for this person. This stranger with funny lights on their car. Yup then well pretty soon. The you know the nail strips come out Out and they're you know doing these moves to knock your car out of Control and you could certainly die. They'll pull weapons on you. Sometimes the trigger gets pulled when the weapons pulled and look. I'm I'm not advocating for running from the cops and I'm not saying why are they killing the people running from cops but understand that every infraction is a potential deficits. And that's the thing you need to understand. This is where all held at the point of gun to every law that's passed violation Misdemeanor Felony. It doesn't matter what they are. You better do as you're told or you'RE GONNA die. Yeah the every life is just words on a piece of paper with a gun on hiding behind it right right and a Lotta Times by the way with these high speed chases they could just take down the The the license plate in the car and then pick them up later and there are countries around the world mostly in Western countries where the cops haven't haven't shot anybody. I think there was one statistic that the police in America have shot more people than the cops have in London since one thousand nine hundred in Great Britain since nineteen sixty or something like that this this is just coming off the top of my head but it gave you some idea and that was just that year and the p the cops in Iceland of shot one person one time and boy. Oh boy did he. Deserved Servant. Read that story but they which was funeral to and surely they have high speed chases there. I'm just saying too. Many of our cops have probably seen the dixie hazard and don't call me Shirley so the article goes on our police unnecessary elements in an ordered peaceful society in short. The answer is no oh absolutely not largely because police spent such little time policing anything other than ridiculous. Laws created solely for the purpose of revenue generation to justify their own existence. Well so then. What if police forces were just pared down to handle those kinds of crimes again? I've said that I think that probably I believe that mostly reckless driving includes speeding and speeding can be handled through automation. At this point that you know maybe you need cops for red light running or or something but they do have red light cameras. I don't think that I don't like the way they've been used by municipalities. In fact I find them to be deadly. But I'm just saying that if this is your excuse for keeping cops darned expensive and completely unreliable so how do you get the cops themselves to unjustified by themselves are they aren't going to. I mean the firefighters aren't going to do it either so to within his is sort of the problem right and the people are going to go ask. What are you cops? Cops think about this well. They're your servants. Not The other way around when we learned recently too that through things like Revenue Generation and civil asset that forefeiture that organizations like the police or other law enforcement organizations now actually rob people more of more value than actual robbers do so as an organization type. Yeah right you know. That's that's a pretty big statement and it's not going away away anytime soon. Let's go to the phones. They've Dave calling in from Colorado Dave. You're on free talk live. What is killing our mouth full of salad salad tell? Is it Cobb Salad Caesar Salad. What do you got to explain Richly Salad Alad readily salad all right? So what's on your mind. I've got a real choice. Honestly I I have a minor update on NHL It's you Hampshire's Fashion as well. It's not it's not the whole secessionist movement. It AH part of intending to collect those people together. We'll we'll hang on Dave because there was a thing about Nha exit where it was The was it the governor who like somebody's suggested re numbering the freeway exits and so that got tabbed NHA exit so. Are you talking about that are you talking about. NATO exit as in Lake AK- secessionist movement. I'm talking about basically. NHL DOT COM governor. SUNUNU has a thing called my acid and he is Protesting the federal government attempted renumbering the the exit on interstate. The one thing the government could do that would actually we make some darn sense. And they're like Oh award do that up yeah. It's funny that you did not. I haven't ever heard him complain that they've trillions of dollars Data that they just want a SWAT team Jerry delaying his home in Rochester. But when they they're gonNA change number of the he loses it the I don't know released. She's fighting something I I guess I mean that's seems like a ridiculous thing to fight. I support that. 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That's not all is well pretty good all right I had a question about the. Irs and taxes are all. Do my best. I'm no attorney which is important to say. Hey well I figured you'll probably would know a little bit more about this than how would My Dad is disabled. He just got to say whatever this past year and He Does the irs about two thousand dollars They're threatening you know you like Of course cease his assets assets and stuff like that just can't pay them I live with my father. Does that mean that they can take my property. Well this is one of those things that That sort of you I would say yes they probably can take your property and then determine whether or not you know it was yours later because what are we talking about here. We're talking about gold bars or are we talking about a car. We're talking about the land. You live on arms so I would think those might be a problem because you would have to sort of prove that they're yours and not. Everybody can do that that with firearms minds you so what I would do is I'd get a hold of the. Irs and see if he can come to some kind of terms with these people people because often they'll they'll put together payment plans and take into consideration that somebody's disabled. You can show proof that that's the case and that kind of thing but yeah I'd be concerned learned about firearms there. Well you see My Dad actually is on a playmate payment plan with them but he's for disability. He hasn't gotten it yet. Okay this has been an ongoing process. takes years I'm not paying paying for his It was his mess up. They got you know him into this. Oh I really don't WanNa pay that my other question wasn't going to be cryptocurrency if you like are buying and selling it online and you're using that entirely as the money like if someone gives me. Bitcoin and I use that Bitcoin to buy a product addict and so that product for Bitcoin. Is there any like tax liability on that at all or is it Something completely different. That is a question for our one. Time host Melanie who was a tax attorney but I I would say I can tell you that like there's some vague notion of a law that may apply to the asset classes. They call it now now. But generally speaking if you conduct your transactions in crypto currency and they remain within cryptocurrency. And there's no record of it reported to any government agency generally yourself. You're just itching on yourself in that okay. So generally speaking if if all your transactions remained in will crypto land You are typically not going to be harassed by the man for any tax liability now. I did have a situation where I used to work. I was the general manager of a Radio Station Down Sarasota Florida and we had an arrangement with a a a barter organization so we would exchange radio ads for these coupons for other things that people had traded in so restaurants script was pretty common one and we use the restaurant script to take people out to lunch and hopefully seldom some radio ads and you know gives bonus to bonuses to employees in that kind of thing and we had to claim that in some manner. I wasn't the Accountant. I was the general all managers but we had to report and claim that in some way and I don't exactly know how it appeared on the taxes but I can tell you that we we considered you could buy an ad for five dollars a Holler but when we traded into the barter company. They were ten dollars so we doubled the cost but So I would say yes. Probably that a strict reading of the rules would probably say that. Yes you owe something. But you know if you're dealing what if effectively is Internet cash than the up to you what you want to report the other thing I just want to mention quickly is generally speaking when people get into Any kind of an issue with crypto currency is when they try and turn it into the United States dollar right. The Federal Reserve serve notes cash as most people know it. That's generally where the problems begin to happen When you when you WanNa you know look I've got you know? One hundred bucks in Crypto crypto-currency. Now I want that hundred bucks in cash. How do I make that happen? And one hundred bucks is a very low number. I think They they look at accounts that do transactions actions like over three thousand dollars something along that sort of a line for those organizations that do that kind of thing so that's generally where the problems come in is when you're trying to turn it into the Federal Reserve note so if you stay within the crypto sphere generally speaking your transactions go unnoticed. All right thanks so much real star by. Let's go to the we have the amp only call in line which is on the discord channel and I haven't screened the call but it's an answer so he'll relatively safe. It's GONNA dissident calling in from the Internet dissident your talk live. What's on your mind? Their yards insert certain dissident and came. Where if I pick one calling in about You were mentioned roads and you know number one question. The contract Libertarian Marotta. It's always the roads without the government. Who would build the roads Ma? Probably the people who build the roads already because government doesn't I think I want to start a band called Ma. Mu Age well. I was actually reading a couple of weeks back essay by a guy I think. You know. doctor Dr Roderick Long on the air. Yeah and he was talking about has very good essay and it was talking about a public. The property in a An Arctic Free Market World Free Market Society and He made several interesting cases in description description about public Public poverty and all of them were centered around. Okay sticking to see how this would work for roads and his coworkers for some other cases and I the other cases that little more tenuous but You know for roads. It's it's pretty obvious that you know private roads to exist. There's a reason to have a private road. you farms in lots of places in private Communities in h always have private roads and that's beneficial but yeah no public roads with public access have their own set of benefits that kind of incentivize themselves in their building and maintaining in plus roads certified by people like You occupy anyone one part of the road for a very brief amount of time if you're moving on and if you're not moving on at your obviously yeah yeah yeah and and you know. So there's an incentive to build roads because if you have a any sort of Homestead our business activity generally want People to be able to access it other than just yourself and then to maintain it and everything and it should only self incentivizing so I don't see You know how argument really makes a whole lot of sense. What the argument that That roads we need the government for roads. Yeah Yeah it's WHO's making that argument has spent a lot of time thinking about roads and if maybe they are asking that question to get some and ideas on how could roads exist and be maintained in the absence of the state and I have some ideas too. I WANNA bounce them off of you dissident and see what what You know whether this matches up with Rod Roderick long would have said eight five five four five zero three seven three three freetalklive today. He Boutique clubs loves original pure POUTY ARCO Super. Tea Comes from the only tree in the world that fungus does not grow on so naturally antifungal antiviral. I anti bacterial infection. Anti Inflammation and anti-parasite properties. 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Live is so if if you like that. We ask for the support of five dollars a month at a. m. p. amp dot freetalklive dot com. GonNa Bring dissident back on here so we were talking about roads in the possibilities disabilities of ways to fund them. And I'm curious of some of these ways that it was roderick long. Who wrote this article? Yeah that he might have been talking about. But I've got some mightiest too so first off. The government isn't one organization by any stretch of the imagination umbrella organization over an umbrella over an umbrella umbrella over an umbrella over an umbrella. More an organization. Type right yeah. And most towns could spin off their department department of transportation relatively easily and then the department of Transportation could potentially just go about raising funds in some manner other than what they do. Now I think roads are the single best argument that like Dass tax is a pretty good argument for voluntary the funding. And here's the reason. In many towns you can find fuel that is not taxed recreational fuel for farm arm equipment and a variety of things. You can buy fuel that's not taxed so if you choose to buy taxed fuel and support the running on the roads and then the chances are good that you won't get caught but if you wanted to you could go to get the REC field. PUT IT in some fuel containers and then you you know. Fill up your vehicle at the house and nobody would ever know so. There is an argument that this is a voluntary situation that you're paying for fuel. Taxes is voluntarily but perhaps the DOT would get a little more inventive if they had to do their own thing. And here's one of the things I think they they do first off. People businesses are constantly looking for advertisements on the side of the road. So billboards secondly if billboards are a a good idea then what about sponsoring section of road. Maybe you get to paint whatever you want in it. Maybe that whole section of Roads Blue Says Walmart when they already have the the the adopt a highway program right for the littering you know. And they're like Oh such and such enterprises sponsored the next five miles of road to keep it clean the it's a modified version version of that to pay for the actual road. Yeah it's a tiny tiny sign but it is good at advertising. Notice it again you modify it to be bigger and you know better and more respond. Whatever your whatever your your audience your clientele wants to have than those of the things you oughta start looking at spending The auditor offering as far as dot. Gus and so then there you go. Every stretcher road in America covered by or at least the large percentage of by the retailers. Who Want you to use the road to drive to their Business Home Depot Walmart target? All these places it'd be a huge boon and as you mentioned mark you know the the reason that we don't see stuff like this and you're going to mention a bunch of ideas and I imagine this is going to mention some ideas as well. I believe that. In the absence of government we would see a variety of methods for funding these things and we can't see any of them now because because obviously the state won't just get out of the way and let it happen descendant. What were some of the ideas Well first of all it would be it would definitely could be a variety. That's the the free market really is more of a variety of ways. We're GONNA nizing society than than just a way of using cash in an unlimited a number ways But you know more of a general way is like Anyone who has a Has Business this or homer our talent or anything really automatically. It's going to benefit from now only roads but by public use of the road the not heavily not heavily restricting the roads and not You know putting Road Pirates on the road shake people down. I don't think that would be people very happy nor do I think it'd be it'd be very a good have like a main street side. Each section of sidewalk is the private property of each person. You have to have their prom. You have to have their permission to Set for section missile. Lock in front of each business and obviously pretty absurd so you know. I think that the roads might not be super consistent or super And you know there might be some standardization on but you might find very interesting looking roads. But I think that people are going to have the incentive to come together to fund the roads in a variety of ways because it's gonNA benefit people accessing their town in them accessing other places them getting to other roads boots so. I don't think it's going to be really difficult to find themselves. Find ways to to fund this without having necessarily to generate a profit fit for it. Because you know really to generate a profit you have to control access and people aren't gonNA use your road to come to your town in. You're just GONNA lose out. Yeah inroads being funded by Townsley all kinds of inefficiencies. There's a town here in southwestern New Hampshire where three people are serviced by three three quarters of a million dollar bridge. The bridge is probably worth more than their houses combined. But the people of that the town must now maintain this bridge because at some point or another somebody knew somebody who got a bridge. Put up over there now. Well the bridges there and and it's absolutely ridiculous who should pay for that bridge. Those three people should pay for it. Or you know the figure some other way A to drive around. It's ridiculous. Most of these up many roads are basically just glorified communal driveways and they should be handled by the communities You know that that that they service I think when you're subsidizing them then living there you're subsidizing. The way they get around right. I think one of the most overlooked overlooked ideas for how roads would be funded in the absence of states. Status Government already exists and that is as the example of the Internet right often referred to or used to be As the information superhighway right. So how do you get on the Internet. How how do you pay for the Internet? How do you drive around on the information superhighway you have something called an ISP Internet service providers? They pay something to keep the whole. So I imagine imagine I imagine something called an RSP a road service provider that models its business model after the ISP is where you have an organization that is is responsible for maintaining quote the fiber unquote in our case the asphalt right And then you pay them a subscription fee and you you have roaming charges when you go out of your home area like like cell phone plan would be or something along those lines are hot spot that you carry with you Some sort of a token that says hey I subscribe to you know Bob's RSP. And so. Therefore I can drive on these roads and what I like to do is I like like to make these solutions that seem a little more palatable to especially the bureaucrats many times people will say well. What about the cops firefighters the road guys whomever's displaced by this particular particular Funding model well. I say give the the roads to the Department of transportation in any given town. 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We did about the idea of like what would what are some possibilities surrounding the idea of doing away with state funded police and I'm curious if anybody has taken the time to research something and you know they're gonNA make approach proposal. I'm willing to listen. So captain kick ass. You're reading sadness. Please continue so jumping ahead of you. Know kind of like the crimes of the police responsible. There's no doubt that You know the police. Some police officers are responsible for committing crimes than Sort of as a whole the organization here in the United States seems to kill a lot more people than a dozen other countries stories around the world that are comparable. And you know you can say what you want to say about that. Some people defend it and say police lives matter other. People are like this as a holy outrageous and whatever the case may be but there is no doubt that that organization is funded through taxes. And it's really difficult to make the argument. Taxation is theft. There are some ways to do that argument and I'd be curious as to what's your thoughts on taxation. Being Theft is eight hundred eight fifty fifty five. Excuse me eight five five four five zero three seven three three but let's go about the talking about what would happen in the absence of this idea. So in the absence of policing Justice Prison and criminal code reform several viable options present themselves for consideration perhaps most imperatively among them the complete abolishment abolishment of police to posit the populace would devolve into chaos violence without police. Departments ignores the chaos and violence wrought by police not to mention the very real historical proof a correctly and fully functioning society can and will police itself. There's a link to some other article here. I'm not going to go there. fritter away. I'll I'll point out that I've I'm very familiar with several municipalities simply. Don't really have policing and and mostly it's people who have guns in their houses blow your heads off and the reason that You don't see a lot of crime. I consider the sizable bill financial feedback loop perpetuated by excessively intrusive nanny state and its armed agents of enforcement taxpayers shoulder the cost of disproportionately large police forces verses which crack down on petty criminals instead of preventing murders rapes and significant property crimes. which would be very difficult to do? Yes and I don't really think it's honestly. The responsibility of police is not what we hire them for. We hire them as a cleanup crew for when we need them. And then the taxpayers fund the Overburden Public Public Defenders and the Backlog Courts Prisons Probation Officers legislators in their efforts to criminalize yet more ridiculously innocuous but behaviors. And let's not forget that far fewer far fewer than one percent of cases go to a jury trial yes which means that somehow our system some has devolved into this sort of rubber stamp. You did it We're going to offer you this and whatever it's it's basically plea bargaining and that's not what justices that's not. What did you learn about in civics class? This work around for justice and it's never ending it's unsustainable and it's not going to fix itself not in waste significant enough to warrant further discussion Asian as of two thousand eleven according to a two thousand thirteen study by the association dean. Or I'm sorry the Associate Dean Dean of Eastern Kentucky University School of Justice Studies Victor e. Kappler I'm not familiar with this guy. A mere two of fourteen arrests were for violent violent or property crimes if police truly existed to fight actual crime not the overwhelmingly excessive number of crow quote crimes created by lawmakers departments. Arguments would be slashed in staff dramatically. Right I mean it a lot of cases you would only need a skeleton crew to you handle most situations. I mean there's some times when you got extended syndicate over to tell the college kids to settle down with your party or whatever I mean. I'm I'm not saying that there's not a need for security a matter of fact when we started this. I said there's a need for security but I also think that what they're saying here is true. Is this by and large. That police are being used for sort of made up crimes and Kappler rights. There's a code here from him if we take all all. The violent crimes reported to the police in two thousand eleven. We find that there were one million two hundred and three thousand five hundred sixty four violent crimes since more than eight eight hundred eighty. Five thousand people worked as sworn officers in that same year. There were one point. Three six violent crimes reported for every police officer employed in the US if one basically one crime one violent crime for every cop in America correct. That's a lot of cops to handle an a year right. Yes in this one year so we need one cop to handle one point three violent crimes because at one point four will round up one point four violent crimes per year that seems wasteful. It is very wasteful. If crime were dispersed evenly across the nation's police earliest than this would mean that in two thousand eleven each police officer would have been responsible for investing just over a single violent crime and since we know that a relatively small number of criminals are responsible for the vast majority of crime in a society. Each comp would be responsible for even fewer criminals. Yes that's true after the hotly controversial deaths by a police of Michael Brown Eric Garner twenty fourteen. The call for police reform MM intensified exponentially. We know this we covered on three talkline. Yeah we I'd say that the Baruch got a cop comes out of that if you call that a win You know now. Now the nope now the The government agencies have more cameras to use facial recognition and watch you with yeah and while undoubtedly well intentioned in motive votive years of begging nicely for the broken system to fix itself have as to be expected. Fallen on deaf ears abolishing police entirely light many times times. which dealing with is police officers? Police unions lawyers that represent police instead of addressing some of the issues. That are out there. And there's lots of issues that people have legitimate shit emmett issues against the police. All they do is if you call a crack addict like I mean. Just they just just cry. I mean like you want to have a reasonable conversation. If somebody in my life was like this they wouldn't be in my life anymore. Right if every time I I wanted to bring up a legitimate critique of the behavior of somebody who's in my life be that family your friend or whatever they just blew up like who. What do you think it'd be like without me? I don't get the hell out right. Let me find out. Don't don't bring that crap to me because I mean at this point. I don't know what it it would be like without police officers because I'm being forced to fund them at the pain of losing my house. Don't act like we'd be worse off without you. y'All are stealing your money to get it and then you're talking about and talking about receiving stolen merchandise is a crime what you call your paycheck taxations theft homeboy. And you have no so you don't have the option. To opt out. Abolishing police entirely might reek of radicalism to a nation cowed by constant government. Fear propaganda but considering how little violence is present in our current society. And that's I mean I've read other articles on this that it gets less and less every year every year. It's just continued decade. I should say probably years ago. Up in doubt but compared to just decades ago examples alternate can take credit for that. I don't know I mean there's no way to tell but I can. I suppose we can see areas. That are not terribly well. Policed in America Howard. How violent crime doing they're yeah Generally I mean much lower than you know. Generally the lower the population the less crime. You're going to see and I also think it's reasonably fair to say that over time we would probably have about twenty percent of the people in prison that we currently do. Obviously some of them would need to You know die in prison and stuff like that you get out or whatever. The situation is but over time. If you legalize drug crimes you legalized gambling prostitution a toossion and all these other vice crimes. The ones that don't have a victim Well you I mean what are the cops doing. Who would they be putting in jail right? Yeah they wouldn't have anybody to put in a jail at about fifty percent of people in jails right. Our in for non-violent drug crimes at some of them would probably commit crimes to ah you know while they were drugged up you know there's always the PCP pick up a picking up a car in the parking lot of McDonald's and Swat and people with it or whatever the hell you hear a bunch of them are just possession though right right he was holding onto a plant eight five five four five zero three seven three three free talk live. Do you wish you could do whatever you wanted. Entertaining a relationship life even and if you're married you wish you made more money less hours. I'm Caleb Jones and I've taught hundreds of thousands of men how to create low work high income businesses and how to date women under your terms come to our free Webinar with alive. 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Mental activity improved neighbourhood relations reduced gang violence and resolved without the involvement of police or courts crimes. which have already occurred? So there's already these organizations who are teaching nonviolent dispute resolution. That have nothing to do with it. I mean what do you know of any police officers. That are running around around teaching folks nonviolent dispute resolution. I don't I don't imagine that there are very many but probably a F- A small handful this what I would say about that is I I. I don't think that every problem can be solved by non violent dispute resolution. But I think some Ken and I think that the percentage of crimes that can be solved by it are pro is probably much much higher than the percentage that is currently being solved by it. Yeah I think this is something that needs to be instituted and tried when you you have somebody who's just continues to deny their actual behavior. Then you've got a problem secondarily. You have a problem problem when you presume that somebody is guilty. Who is making a denial so You know one nice thing about the criminal. Justice system is whether it's it's accurate or not. There's a guilty party when they're done or there or the you know the CR- charges go away so I think that one one of the ways probably around nonviolence crimes is is. I'm sorry number. Nonviolent is dispute resolution to keep denying that you did it in the first three three rules of criminal defense denied deny deny. And this is what the defense attorney told me once. That was a good joke and well I mean is it a joke I guess so going on in just one anecdotal example. This euchre offered to the Chicago reader. Recently there was a robbery at the store in the community. One of the people at the store who stuff was taken said. Look I don't WanNa call the COPS. Is there anything we can do. They found found on facebook that this young person was selling their stuff and that young person happened to go to a school where we'd done some circles. They're talking about recipes. Resolution circles feels so I knew a teacher at the school and could say. Hey this is where we're at eventually the robber and the rubbed brought together in an attempt to resolve the wrongdoing. Yeah I'd love of this. The young person ended up returning what he had that hadn't been sold And then working at the shop in restitution for everything else. Then it turned out he really liked working there and after this agreement was over he continued to go there and volunteer. There was a relationship building built their That relationship among community munity members can act as a compelling deterrent against crime. The better the less likely to Robert victimize them I think yeah. It's building relationships. Asian ships and people. There are people that were robbed their family. But you know yeah fewer. Let's go to David calling in New Mexico. David you're on free talk. Live Nueva Medico. Okay elbow creepy. You guys call back when when you when you come into America ACA. Nah never coming back. We're going to stay third world country even even if they wanted to they would remain a third world country. That's actually what the locals here locals that have been here four hundred years literally. They can trace their talked to a guy named Ben Evita's trace the family history all the way back to Christopher Christopher Columbus or Aka Cristobal Cologne was the Spanish and and he was incensed at his is Native New Label. Mako saying I I refer doing. I was in a conversation referred to New Mexico as a as a state of New Mexico and he corrected me. So there's there's no state there's a third world country and Gringo from the north it's not some Gringo carpetbaggers from the north coming down and saying that that's a local whose family's been here four hundred entered years. Yeah I've been to Mexico David and I gotta say I I will go out of my way to avoid it. There's a few reasons but I wanted to ask you about it because era frequent caller. I when I was there I visited and green-collar I'm a I'm a chronic caller. What you do in your detained okay? Before you call is up to you. That's what I call. That's what I told in. I wanted to ask you because I heard this term when I was there. It's called the land of entrapment. Can't because you know. The land of its land of enchantment is their actual but the locals called the land of entrapment and because there are more people in in New Mexico prisons and jails that are not from New Mexico than any other state in the union. Now some of this has to do with the fact that you know New Mexico's a big desert. So they put up these buildings to house prisoners from other states. But I was told and I don't know if this is true. Maybe you can enlighten me. That New Mexico is infamous for arresting and detaining people who drive without New Mexico plates from other states. And that kind of thing. Is there any truth any that you. You may know more than I do since you read something that I haven't read anything on it but but to be honest actually a living here. I've been here like fifteen years of ink and I never really picked up on that and and actually I wouldn't rip on the cops here too much I don't I don't I don't really put them down. I don't think they've they've done things to me that they should not have done. But I've also made the Good friends with quite a few of them as well by by trying to do so and it is possible. AWESOME NOT I. I can't I can't substantiate what you're saying and and it doesn't really feel quite right. It seems like most people that are in prison here are actually a native new Mexicans. The but I have not yet been in prison. I'm sure that's coming but having not yet been in prison I I have to do your best. 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One four eight zero to better plans dot net eight hundred seven one four eighteen o two so we were discussing this article underground reporter Dot Org and there was talking about Some different ways of voluntary organizations can actually prevent a more violent of crimes than say a police forced us and it specifically called a having a relationship with the community and the continues that relationship among community members members can act as a compelling deterrent against crime. The better one knows a neighbor the less likely they are to rob or victimize them make sense. This cannot be said of police lease in two thousand sixteen as officers often. Don't live in the neighborhoods. They police which creates a degree of separation and personal investment from the ultimate outcome of any interaction decreasing the hesitation to act violently in an encounter that wouldn't ordinarily call for the use of force so the summary is that you know the better you know your community and you're involved in it the less likely you are to like react with violence as a police officer also the more you impunity. You have for your actions. Um You know the the the fewer the consequences reactions the more likely you are to act like a jerk. I had a situation where I was going through the The TSA ASA line. I had an expired driver's license because I figured this is a photo. Id that's torrential sexual assault for those who don't know the acronym TSA Say Thousand Standing Around is what it looks like to me. The and so I had this expire drivers and I'm like well. This is a finite photo ID. I'll just go through well the TSA. He does not like that. That you have an expired driver's I'm like I'm not going to drive your little metal detector. I'm just here to prove this is just a proof who I am the bombers I who blew up the nine eleven buildings had expired drivers. Are you calling me a terrorist Sir and literally. These people surrounded me with dog over an expired driver's license to touch me and one of the cops at some point point in the exchange. Said you got a problem and I just may be realized in that moment. This is a Londonderry. Police officer assertive cop not a TSA agent and it just made me realize a moment this. This guy has no interest in de escalating. The situation right like I'm getting what I considered considered poor customer service from poorly paid bureaucrats who would otherwise be sitting around on the government Dole. And they're doing the only job that they can do and and this cop comes in to defend them and you know. I'm the taxpayer here. I'm the one paying. None of this stuff is relevant. A- all to this guy and why should it be. There's no reason at all. It should be relevant to him. Yeah he can like him saying that you've got a problem. Might eight reveal that I am a violent guy because I might slug him right in the face right and if I did then then he feels completely justified. See saying thank. You could a problem like a school yard bully just reveals a violent person right right instead of you know. Maybe a person reacts to I. I don't know with the way a schoolyard. Bollywood ry Somebody might be react to a schoolyard. Bullying slugs him but it in no way. Does that say. Hey I'm here to assist I in de escalating the situation. Now I in no who you got a problem. I mean that's if anything it's asking for the situation to escalate further right and you know so you have one organization whose job is to make sure that You know no terrorists. Get on the plane with weapons and to make sure that all the water bottles bottles were thrown away and then you have this other organization that's supposed to be there to I don't know sort of maintain order surrounding this Silly little operation. That um you know people from other countries come here. And they're like yeah. Yeah the fact that it doesn't the anything like the PSA doesn't exist outside of the United States. It should be a enough evidence for most people to go. Oh well that's completely unnecessary. But you're mentioning the driver's license thing I had Not Klay dissimilar experience but just relating to driver's licensing like I don't think licensing should expire like once you get it should just be valid. Yeah what is the point in renewing a driver's license plates. Why do they expire? I don't understand. Do they bad after a year or two or four or whatever it is it really seems silly in I moved here recently from the Seattle Washington area where it's pseudo legal to purchase recreational marijuana. They have stores you walking by it. You do have to produce ide- not much like you do when you go to a bar for cocktails and oddly enough UNBEKNOWNST to me my driver's license had expired I'd been into this store several hundred times. It was three blocks from my apartment and I presented ideas. I do I was talking to the Gal behind the counter. Who knows me by my first name and you know my my legal first name and all that kind of thing and not a lot of people do? It's not something I advertise. You have to show. Oh you're so yeah you know. So that goes on and she she says Oh. I'm sorry I can't sell anything to you today. And I thought she was like. Oh very funny funny. I'll have one of these. She's like no no. I'm serious. I'm like WHOA. How come your driver's licenses expired? So now you can't Eh. She even though she knows how old you are knows who you are Ed. But you can't buy because the driver's licenses expired wrecked silly. They have some sort of you. You know thing written into the law that they could get their licensed to sell the marijuana revoked if they sell to somebody. Who's driver's licenses expired? Now as I understand it the Arizona driver's license is good from the time you're eighteen to the time you're sixty five. I don't know how they go about putting a new picture on there. I don't have any answers for that right That's I think the best argument for a new driver's licenses as well. I gained some weight or lost some weight or whatever the the argument is and interestingly in Montana if your vehicle I believe is over for ten and a half years old. You don't have to get a new play to renew sticker for it's just at that point it could forever until it stops running in Washington Washington. If your car is twenty five years or older you can get what they call collector's plates or antique plates. And then you don't have to take like the emissions test anymore and you don't have to pay for that plate every month or year. Excuse me you have to keep a sticker on it that says the current year. But you don't and have to do all the other costs associated with it so well in Montana. You don't have to do anything once. It's ten and a half years old so if you get a driver's license from Arizona and a the plate from Montana that you've eliminated all these problems and but somehow all these other jurisdictions have to have all this stuff up to date and that just lets you know what this is. There's a racket. Oh yeah this is just more taxation because in Florida may register a car is like I duNNo. It's gone up but it was. It used is to be twenty five dollars a year and I think it's like sixty dollars a year. Now but in New Hampshire it depends on the value of the car. 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Give me the links on the unofficial website at Fort Fest Dot Party but repeatedly purdy. Let's go to my Kolon from Washington Mike. You're on free talk live. Are you guys tonight. Captain kicked ass. That's a great name. I I think the police could learn to be more like those private groups and start you know. Somehow it probably is going to take another hundred years but actually learned to be more like keepers of the peace and not go in. You know all macho. Just be nice people. I don't know how that's GonNa ever worked out but it would be great if it worked that way on the pod stores though more importantly Now I also so live in Washington and There's a few shops that I know they know when they're not they're not check your id but they also know when it's okay when everybody in there is is regular and school to not Jack But that's rare but now another shop. I go to the employees probably in seven days. It's a week from eight. Am Til midnight or eleven eleven pm. Let's hours probably forty employees and when they get caught not checking that Eddie or letting you in with a hole punched in it. Everybody's out of a job for two weeks so I really respect them and don't give them any gossip. Mike because you always get caught short like dry d somewhere you know. This is not one of those things that people it affects a lot of people. Besides me this is what the government does is they turn everybody into a little deputy an unpaid deputy for them right. So when you've got that kid who's twenty twenty years old selling beer at the grocery store that he can't buy You know he's checking your I. D. because he can't tell the difference between somebody who's his age and somebody is old enough to be his dad. I guess whatever the situation is I mean I understand why they're doing it. They're doing it because their jobs on the line. They're doing it because they're told to do it. But it's kind of the ridiculousness of the whole thing. You know here. In in Europe you know no problem buying some alcohol and let your kid drink at home and or with meals or anything like that here in the United States my God you're GonNa corrupt them. It's just amazing. The hubris of I've These these politicians and I wanted to say about the Washington Massari the recreational marijuana in Seattle proper. It is far more strict right and far more tight than outside of like if you get into even ever it's like you know their stores were less The same they were able to sort of have some personality about it. That kind of thing so the further you get from you know the downtown area Sort of the more personable. It seems to be but it still doesn't that that is that is very true. That is very true. I anyway went through CEO of my. I just don't I just don't mind getting my driver's license commute every five years. I guess I know what you mean. I understand the whole control. I personally don't mind it and I certainly would never want to staff to be affected because you know they let me in. That's all thanks very much. Thanks Mike I went to recently Seattle like last year about this time. Seattle and Denver within a couple of weeks of each other. And I don't remember ever seeing a pot shop in Seattle but but in Denver I saw them all over the place so You know if there's a competition going on between Seattle and Denver Seattle's losing well. Seattle doesn't allow. Wow them to advertise in the same way. They let other industries advertise. I say what they did is they didn't let the industry just sort of grow. They dictated how the industry was going always always do that. They did with alcohol. I mean look. There's there's beer distributors didn't do it with technology. The Internet came along and they. They weren't like okay. This is how we're going to allow the advertise. It's because it wasn't outlawed. I watch what happens with political memes though I mean now with this new election. That's coming around. You're GonNa have to answer all kinds of questions if you're going to start some organization that's GonNa put out means or whatever I mean so once. They get their finger. They'll nose under the tent. Then they move on the whole all camel in Yup Yup. Yeah it's it's a matter of fact is what it is in the Moore's will continue right. I'm a veteran of the memoirs. Are you I well. The Democrats lost this go around and they're pretty bitter about it. Everybody's got to pay the just the fact that like some government entity is upset Chet and tracking memes. I mean that doesn't the ridiculousness of the entity known as the government doesn't doesn't illustrate what they think about you. So Russia made memes and they swayed your vote which is to say your such a mind. mind-numbed Mir Madan that the few pictures with a words on it has suddenly changed your mind. I mean I it's the rare army M- that's changed my mind on anything I can tell you that I can't. I can't think of one but if I make a meme it just gets ignored and people call me crazy the and you know that kind of thing so like what's the difference here you know how come how come you take facebook. Yeah apparently my memes. Don't change minds but like some kid in Russia makes me M- that Oh you've affected the entire election process. Yeah that's right. Well this is it right. It's twenty twenty. The elections is upon us. It's coming down the pike and I mean you know we're less than less than a month away from twenty twenty and I. I didn't think it was going to be true but but it looks like people are going to still be using facebook in two thousand twenty. I I don't know how this happened. But I've seen more commercials for that that I I don't WanNa do me any favors but that Tom Steiner Guy Yeah I. I don't know how he gets advertised to me as much as I'm so sick of that guy he's pumping the money in. He did a commercial Marshall where he talks about how few women are in Congress and the Senate and minorities minorities. He's a white guy so this old white guy who somehow can achieve changed that. I'm like it's hilarious term limits. That's his that's his campaign. I don't think but I I find it ridiculous. That here's a guy talking about. How few minorities orgies and women are involved in the political process so he wants to vote for the old white guy? I don't understand how that makes sense. Anybody don't either I- I've baffled by it. It's it frankly insulting you know that. Hey here's your hot button issue of gender or the race of somebody and I I don't fit any of that but I'm GonNa fix it and I think he's right though. I think that the the term limits would help on something like that. I'm for term limits. I don't think it's the biggest solution the world but I'll take it about. Let's limit their terms two zero all politicians. Your term is now zero. You run on an election you get elected let you run a campaign you get elected and poof. It's over I think we'd probably be better off with randomly selecting people to do these jobs that we are. Oh Yeah Yeah I think we should like. I mean they're the least qualified people. You're right and like really good leaders. They don't want to rule you anyway and they don't want to tell you what to do right in a lead by example. If they're a good leader shirt you know so. I hate when people call politicians older. The leaders are no. They're not they're anything Butler liars and thieves is what they are and somehow we believe we cannot do without these liars and thieves. And if that's the case that's fine but let's come up with a better system for picking these liars and thieves because the the Democrats out there. Let's get the money out of politics. I've looked at the proposals. And there's really no proposal that I can find for actually getting money out of politics. You know they're talking about let's overturn citizens united. Well that all that means is means is is that I want the unions to be able to donate to campaigns but I don't want the corporations to be able to donate to campaigns paints. Well that's not a viable solution. That's just one side showing how they're going to win. Look the Republicans know how to win. They gerrymander back doc. I'm sorry you're solutions have not been as successful as theirs but the whole thing. We're all getting screwed on it. And how do people decide that a popularity. The contest was the way to to pick leaders. Right like the idea that somebody who's successful at running a presidential campaign somehow makes them qualified for the the highest office in the world is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous insane. 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Good to have you back here with us a lot of bad weather across the country. So if you happen to be out on the roadways take Slow and take care when you're driving around also very interesting weekend in college football as well does the NFL. I watched that forty Niner Baltimore Ravens game and I gotTa tell you. Lamar Jackson is the best quarterback that I've seen with the amount of talent that he had both as a runner and also as thrower. He is amazing he is so explosive but he has instincts as well. And congratulations to the Ravens for beating the forty niners on a last second field goal matter of fact if you take a look at the forty niners record of ten and two. They've lost two games with game ending field goals. So they're pretty a good team and it's GonNa be interesting to see what happens when they meet up again once again with the Seattle seahawks. Ap Top Twenty Five College Basketball Ball. Rankings are out Louisville. Is your number one team followed by Kansas Maryland. Michigan and Virginia for Michigan was unranked. But they've climbed all the way to number four four so that's your top five and then Ohio State North Carolina Kentucky Gonzaga and Duke is number ten so that your top ten of the AP top twenty twenty five also. Don't forget coming up tomorrow. We'll be talking to as we always do on a Tuesday. Brian billick inside. The game is the name of the segment that we do with him and so we'll get him to break down what he thought he's. It was impressed with as far as the forty niners in the Ravens. We're GONNA be talking and kicking things things off with Josh locks in just a second. He's written a book and this is one When you take a look at the landscape of College Athletics Football Basketball Whatever? It may be the problems. uh-huh they been having. This is a very timely book. It's called illegal procedure. A sports agent comes clean on the dirty business of college football. He began his career as a sports agent in nineteen and he began to pay players to become their agent particularly on the campuses of UCLA and USC. I think you'll find this interesting. And then Dr Doug Casa is GonNa join US I saw him on a piece at. HBO's Real Sports Ran About athletes particularly youth athletes suffering being from heatstroke. Think you'll find this interesting. We're ready to go good to have you with us here on sports byline. Hey sorry he's the type of guy that wants to look put together but doesn't want to spend hours at the mall finding new clothes so he can look great at the office on the road or even just on the weekend with friends and family I hear you. This is why weather stitch fix your personal styling service at delivers handpicked. Close right. So you stitch fix a simple sign up in just a few minutes. Tell them about the brands that work for you and even let them know what types of styles you prefer stitch fixes convenient. 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The career of Lacson is various Elliot activities in a more than twenty hours of interviews Lux described the payments that he made the players as well as other events in his career. He includes names of thirty former college college football players who are alleged to have taken money or some other extra benefit in violation of. NCWA rules when you hear me. Read that type of introduction. How do you feel about what I said about you? Well with all due respect to you I think there's been some misinformation to begin with I'm I'm not an ex ex- NFL agent or former NFL agent. I'm currently still Certified by the Players Association I was not be certified I was simply suspended and then I was reinstated after I served my one year suspension. Just a few years ago so I thought that was the one thing that comes to mind And the other thing was that that The things that I was doing back then. We're not against the law. Granted they were against the rules. Were against the NC two as rules but the loss that we got in place currently does not exist. What's what's the difference Josh? Well you know one is against the law. One is against the rules. That doesn't mean that at the root breaking taking the rules is right. I certainly not since his suggesting that up breaking the NCAA rules is the is is necessarily okay. But I think there is the distinction that can be made There's a line that that even though you or some other people they have a certain idea who I am. And how I operate made myself very transparent I'm not interested in breaking laws. They've never had them. But I'm okay with breaking rules if it gives me a competitive advantage and and that's how it was back then I grew a change. I went through life experiences and realized that I didn't want to participate activity anymore so for the second decade of my career. I did it the right way and I was able to sign players. who were not taking so you know I may have done these things early on to kick start a career respekt ten years doing it And I had some success along the way and I had some failures but I also did it the right way and I know that it can be done the right way as well. I'm I'm always interested in why somebody does something not just what they do. And I'm just wondering whether the rationale of a young josh locks was that everybody else is doing it in the business business. So if I'm going to be able to be competitive I've got to do it as well. What did I have to offer these guys? I walk up I have no clients have no track record. I have no college degree. I just bang on the door and say hi. I'm well meaning. What can I do to help you? And that's essentially it and and I went out there and I I I. I did what I had to do to try to get my foot in the door and industry and You know people will disagree with that. Approach And now as a as somebody who's is twice that age over forty years old having lost two parents having gone through getting married. You didn't having young children myself now. I see the world a different way and So I hope that answers your question. Why did you decide to go public josh? Because I I quite frankly I was hardly wronged. I know you know. It's really much more personal than just saying I want to Change College football. You know so if at the end of the day some good comes of this and there's dialogue and it helps people then great. That's that's really that's really wonderful. Because is the bottom line. Is that these. Jim Daughters are coming to the point. Where they're sitting the Internet and googling their dad and I had a dispute with another agent who light work with him he USED THE NFL PA zed procedures As advanced as a weapon in a civil proceeding and for whatever reason I was suspended over fifty three hundred dollar. Check that a client of mine. If given to me that was placed in a lawyer's custody during during that civil disputes. So I can accept being called a lot of things if people want to say I cheated. People WanNa say I paid all these players broke rules rule breaker. I'm I'm all those things but I'm not a thief. How would you characterize the business of representing college athletes today? How categorize business not categorize it? How would you characterize it a characterize? I'm sorry I'm GonNa have this little background noise here. How what I characterize it well It's it's business filled with people that are that are trying to do it. The right way and some very aggressive people who are willing to do anything to get where they WANNA go You've got the miles brand Put it best you know. When looking at the landscape of College College football he said in two thousand six and then addressed to the association he said Amateur refers to the participants. And Not the Enterprise Josh. So when you really look at those words you realize that everybody's being transparent here and unfortunately you've got the you've got some kids who were kind of caught in the middle. If you take a look at what urban Meyer had to say about agents. What other coaches have had to say about agents? What percentage of them than you think Josh are doing it the right way and how many what percentage are doing it the wrong way then? I can only talk about what I've done. And what I run into and I I know it's prevalent to put a percentage on it I guess the meeting and I I don't WanNa guesstimate. You know the the the one reason why this story got I told and got printed was because They vet at the article They contacted people. They verified things so you know. I don't WanNA start guesstimate. Automating or guessing. Now but clearly the prevalence. The reason why I say that Josh is I've been in this business for a long time. I know owners I know agents. They're all my friends and you know I mean you are somebody that's been in that business you know what's happening out there in the field you've got to compete against these guys as well. I get the feeling from having talked Everybody it's a little bit like baseball. Steroid issue everybody is kind of burying their heads in the sand about it and whatever number they give you if it's on the low side it certainly isn't anywhere close to the truth. Well I I. I can't necessarily disagree with you. I think that Up until right now or up until recently really. There are a lot of people who wanted to think that these things don't happen. Or they think that maybe the Reggie Bush thing was a one shot deal and and that's not indicative of the current environment but You know that's why I think the timing of of of this article was so it was so important It shows that it's it's pretty widespread and that it's it's not just Reggie Bush and You know he's one of many so it's not realizing is out of the barn on this issue. I mean to the point that it's not going to ever be anything different than you can't clean this thing up Josh not entirely. You're always GONNA have. You're always gonNA have some filth here there no matter what you do but th- a great first step is dialogue and more than this more than just me talking about it more than me just coming clean for the public and letting everybody know how things really work. more importantly it's the dialogue between the NC two A. The the NFL Players Association and active communication with the individual states that have laws on the books and they could felony to violate them. The second that the state step up and actually prosecute and actually follow through when they have evidence against somebody that's a great deterrent and if the NFL PA and the NC into a And more so the NFL PA because the NC two A. doesn't police agents more so the NFL pa.. If they're willing to to get off their rear ends and actually do some basic investigation. A lot of stuff is easy to find. These agents are sloppy nowadays. They're not doing it the way that it used to get done. Which I think is one of the main reasons reasons why you're seeing a lot more of it today? Josh one of the key moments in all of this discussion is one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. NFL PA rule change. Tell everybody how that changed. Changed the landscape of this well in the late nineties the NFL Players Association decided and in their infinite wisdom that it would be a great idea to tell these players that if if they accepted money from an agent more so they were telling the agents. If you give money to a player who's participating in amateur sports and NCAA member They're not required to pay you back. And you no longer have ability to go out and litigated this dispute civilly you need to come to our arbitration and Procedures where you'RE GONNA you're GonNa hear about you violating the NFL PA rules so you're going to have to admit it. So all of a sudden and it became very clear to players to their parents to their cousins and hangers on. Hey let's just take money from these guys all we can and we don't have to pay it back when you take a look at that rule change. How did that affect you personally? Well that was simultaneous With With a number of other things that had happened Oh personally and professionally clearly and I said this earlier when you go through was your parents at a young age it impacts you greatly When you within a year of that Less than that. Find out that your hopes and your dreams representing of being associated with somebody Quality Prospect like a Ryan Leaf on the heels of a year where you have at the top quarterback in the draft that year before Your dreams are shattered You look around and you reassess and you say okay. What am I doing wrong and now what can I do right? What can I do better so All of that happened simultaneously family nineties and that was a turning point for me and it was a turning point in the industry I think is well. I got better in the industry got worse. Very candid and very articulate. Inciteful April comments from Josh locks. Why said former agent he's still an agent NFL agent? He's part of that article. 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I was touched by the line and I wonder if you expand on it a little bit I will never forget the first time I paid a player. Yeah I I won't it's it's It's IT'S A it's it's embedded in my mind You have to go through Do a little soul searching and You know working for the raiders The impression I had of of the sports industry of professional football in and of itself was changed going from being a naive sixteen year old You know admiring Marcus Allen and Brick Townsend taught Christianson idolized and and and enjoying the time with my father at the Raider Games. You know looking up to these guys watching them winning their commitment to excellent. Tonight I get there to training camp and I find line that I have a peek behind the curtain and these players aren't all who I thought they were not necessarily You know perfect far from from it So very very early on. I realized that that that you know there's public persona. And then there's these people really are and and it was shocking shocking for me and it was a bit of poultry. Shocker for me but Again I hope that answers your question. I know I ran off a little bit there but I hope that I answered your question specifically you know what I was asking about and it was before the nineteen ninety season. It was University of Colorado linebacker cannabis. McGee can you talk a little bit about that situation wasted because you talk about it in the article. Oh Canadians Mickey. That was the first time I paid a player and again I went there and and and and pretty naive. What's behind behind here so to speak and I have a flight thinking I really have a chance to land a player? A good player. I I just had counted agree to sign with me and I'm a twenty year old all kids. So he's he's a big time player. So heck why wouldn't KANEDA's consider name. I wait for him and ended up rushing them there at the door and comes on over and we have a conversation and within the body of that conversation he lets me know that You know he's having a bit of a problem and you need some financial assistance and and I ask you some soul searching I had to I had to weigh and measure is something I wanted to do or something. I didn't want to do and when push came to shove for a number of reasons I decided decided to go to the bank and pull out some money and help them out and And I got burned and it wasn't the first time and I was the first time but it wasn't the last time that I was burned And eventually I found myself a a partner who how to do that and taught me the ropes took me under his length and showed me the best way. The most efficient way to to handle that and that was dock was it not that was the lake has got arrested so so yeah and and in the story you talk about the doctrine if there was a player that was driving a database in Everybody pretty much knew that. Forget about it. You weren't going to get close is to that player right. And what was the reason for that. Well obviously you know agents have Contacts at different car dealerships and back in the day you know doc was uh Datsun dealerships. So you know that was set. You know it's true but it was set as much ingest it was. I was trying to inject some levity but it's also accurate and other agents had told me that very same thing that when they when they pull up and they would see Datsun. Two Eighty Z.. they knew that they were too wait and I. I thought that that was funny. For whatever reason I guess I had a sense of humor and And so there it is. Yeah the other one that I thought was really funny for those people out there. Josh got starting intern with Bud for Rillo at KABC am down in Los Angeles and but he asked a you know what could be done to help him out and helped hook him. Up with the raiders. When they were down in Los Angeles and for three seasons during the summer he became a ball boy and one of those players that you were excited to meet was Greg Townsend? But you tell a great story about Greg and what he asked you to do. Can you repeat that please. Then you gotta realize something here. I'm a young on kid and and I'm I'm I'm admiring these players in the middle of the night I get a phone call and it's correct town and you know I don't I don't WanNA use the exact words it's because we're on the radio But basically hey come to my room I need to talk to you now. You know. Yes a little freaked out absolutely Louis. die like that. 'cause you was room you have no idea what to expect. And he swings the door open now. He's wearing a smoking jacket. He's holding some brand magnier. He's gotTa got a Salem and I'm looking at them and I'm wondering what am I walking into here. It's a little bit odd. It's a scary situation. Calls me and he sits me down and and then proceeds to tell me that he has a drug test. The next day he made the mistake of smoking some weed and asked me if I did drugs and I didn't and mend Asked me to go ahead and fill the bottle for him and let me tell you something. There's a lot of pressure filling this bottle a lot of pressure for sixteen year old. I have drink a gallon of water before I could go ahead and give them enough that he thought he was satisfied. But I could see. It's it's it's the real world and These things do happen and and it's it's something that both of us look back on now and we laugh about it. The other story that I liked as well as the one you told about trying to get Jonathan Ogden as a client of course Jonathan Jonathan. Just a great ball player and he was a big Janet Jackson. Fan was not. Yeah and I don't blame him. 'cause that woman is fine and You know the the the pipeline. Is that a girlfriend of mine. Had Gotten some tickets. I don't know if it was for my birthday. But it was for some reason and she had given me the tickets and I wonder if she thought that I'd be taking her with those tickets and instead I decided to make it an opportunity to connect with With Jonathan Ogden. Now I don't know if any of you have ever gone to the forum which which which no longer It has the LAKER games or anything like that. The seats are close together. And he's a big man and I'm six three and I'm a big guy too and the two of us together together was a little bit uncomfortable but what I remember most about that concert. The aunt Janet Jackson and all of her outfit changes with him standing up at six foot nine and screaming like a sixteen fifteen year old girl. I could not believe the sounds enthusiasm came from Jonathan Ogden. Only away me forever every age. Josh is certainly looking for that Wale and you talk about the one that you wanted to have got away from you. You're already alluded to it. It was Ryan Leaf and he was in some financial trouble with credit cards and everything. Pick up the story story from there and tell everybody what happened your relationship with Ryan. I got very close to Ryan much like I did to some other players and and Ryan needed some financial helping agreed to just to help them out and get it implemented monthly. Because that's the way I was taught was the most efficient way the best way to do it and and Ryan and come to Los Angeles and we hung out. We had a great time together. We really we really did He was very much looking forward to a trip that we had planned to. She Watch Vegas like half a sue and on the way back. Actually it's not mentioned. We even stopped through offline so Birth out by the time we got offline but we had some fun Ryan had met my dad when he was in Los Angeles and my father was very upset that I wasn't really recruiting too much. Because he had been ill and my mother had been ill prior to that where she passed and Ryan. It basically told him. Don't worry about it. Doctor Walks you know your your son has me. He doesn't need to worry about anything else. And at the end the day we go there to Vegas just a few months. After my father passes away it was difficult time. I probably in hindsight I should have canceled the trip or at least I should go ahead and paid for the other guys that he got along with them because they turned on me it turned on me quick and they turned on me hard and it was uncomfortable. When I didn't pay for those other guys but I was fed up I was I was in a bad outweigh and I was frustrated and I didn't handle it right and blue and at the end of the day you know the whole thing up next up but the the real heartbreak was that I turned on the television after the Rose Bowl and there was Ryan leaf standing there with we? Steinberg was one of the great disappointments in my career and change the way that I didn't business just shortly after after after I got burned by our chase our when you take a look at what ultimately happened to Ryan Leaf. You're close enough to him. And I remember having a discussion down at the Super Super Bowl with a general manager who was considering possibly drafting him and I said I'd be careful because I had seen him down at the Super Bowl and he had been out partying partying and drinking and everything else. Are you ultimately happy that maybe you did not represent him. I'm going to be real candid with you After losing my parents if I had the good fortune of representing Ryan lease I would've made that I would've made that my fulltime job that period and I would have been there with him every step of the way and I would have moved down to San Diego and I would've. I would've thought I believe I would've taken really good care of them and shielded fielded him and hopefully got him going the right direction as best I could and I'm not making myself out to be a saint. I had a great time to and I did plenty of wrongs but I I I hope that I might have been able to influence. If he had selected me. One thing that he did do ultimately was that he kind of paid you back in a sense did he. Not Yes he did. I I saw the charter facility. I have some other players. They're talking I and he handed me Cash to repay that loan and we're looking in the eyes wouldn't tell me why it went down the way it did but in my heart I knew why and I just accept the money and we went our separate separate ways and have thought about. I haven't I haven't talked to him since I haven't heard from him since he responded to this article. Thanks Josh I status Josh locks. NFL agent and he is the subject of the SL. Article called confessions of an agent details the career of Lacson his various shady or illegal activities and he talked about how he paid college football players and also some of the other things he did that was in violation of NCWA. Rules does and some of the big names that were mentioned in that story. Ryan Leaf said Tonio Homes Jeremy shockey and also even Mel Kiper from ESPN but not all of them are alleged to have taken money money or broken rules we continue with more of you and sports byline. 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This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar DOC DR. Doug Kass joins us on sports byline. HBO's Real Sports ran a piece about athletes particularly youth breath athletes suffering heatstroke and easy inexpensive way to prevent it and the death that can accompany heatstroke is also the CEO of the Korey Stringer Institute Institute a professor in the Department of Kinesiology at the University of Connecticut and he's focused on prevention of sudden deaths in sports exertion will heat each stroke wearable technologies hydration and performance in the heat as well first of all doug tell everybody about the Korey Stringer Story what happened with him. Sure Yeah as many of you may know. Of course stringer. I'm was an all pro offensive lineman for the Minnesota. Vikings previously was an all American in College Football Player at Ohio State University and a high school all American back. I'm growing up in Ohio but In August or late July two thousand one and during a horrible heat wave in Minnesota over a hundred degrees They had the very first day of practice. They did a two a day practice with no modifications in the extreme heat Full Gear your full practices. He struggled during the second one Probably had a heat exhaustion that I practice the second practice that first day and then the next morning he went all out again again in the morning practice and unfortunately I'm had an exertion heatstroke Very unfortunately he was not cooled rapidly. Onsite and eventually succumbed To the the side effects of the exertion he showed the organ damage and ended up. Passing away The next day From that heatstroke So that was two thousand one. I assisted his widow and his agent Through many legal pursuits in the years after the NFL. Commissioner Goodell and his widow Kelsey stringer book to find Some kind of lasting legacy for Corey. They reached out to us at the University of Connecticut to see if we'd like to host the Chrysler Institute at Uconn And in two thousand ten we opened our doors and have been very fortunate to be able to have such a big impact with athletes warfighters riders and laborers and. I'm working really hard to try to keep them safer. You know when I took a look at your story are. HBO's story on Heat Stroke. I was surprised at the ignorance. And I'm just wondering. Why are people ignorant particularly sports organizations as it showed in that story about this issue? Yeah that's extremely frustrating waiting for us as well I it's just a real long educational path for people And there's two big components need to think about one is. How do you prevent a heat stroke from happening sitting in the first place And that would be things like heat acclimatization which is phasing in. I'm practices over time because almost all strokes happened in the first three days of practice. So let's let's let's go a little easier on the first week of practice and then make it harder Another thing would be measuring the environmental conditions and modifying the work to rest ratio on really extreme days. Because we all. I think that most teachers jokes happen on extreme weather days so those are two examples of prevention but then if each stroke does occur. Are we ready to recognize it quickly. and Are we ready to. I'm treated and we know. The scientific evidence clearly shows that if you can get someone into a cold water immersion tub within ten minutes of collapse and get their temperature pitcher under one of four within thirty minutes. survivability as one hundred percent so we're working with people around the country to try to make sure they have athletic trainers owners out there high schools for their sports programs. They can recognize this quickly And they can have a cold water. Immersion tubs and obviously established policies that the cooling can continue on site until the cooling is done in the emergency and venue transport them to the hospital. You don't stop the cooling while that While it's while it's occurring just to get them to the hospital we call it cool. I transport second. I'm so there's there's just these are examples of some of the policies. We're working on right now. Of course during institute is in the midst of visiting all fifty-one states including leading the district Columbia Try to enhance health and safety policies over a five year stretch. We're GONNA have a policy meeting in every single state To try to specifically Likley adopt somebody strategies because you know there are a lot of states that have requirements for cold water immersion tubs and heat acclimatization and environmental monitoring and and other things outside the landscape of heat stroke like things like cardiac issues are having a dis emergency action plans. Doug let me just emphasize for the listeners around the country and around the world in this piece in an angered me and I'm sure it angered an awful lot of people this immersion tub. Tell everybody how much it would cost to have an immersion tub right by the playing field right in the locker room. How much would that be so a very good one Like at a tractor supply depot. One hundred dollars Max. One hundred and fifty eighty dollars and they're like indestructible. They could last at least ten years at a high school. So the cost per year it's completely negligible when you factor in. They're paying for seven coaches and athletic fields and all the maintenance of the fields and all the equipment and the officiating in the travel. I mean we. We don't spend a little tiny bit of money that You know to keep deep our athletes safe and also when you think about it as far as what you know alive. 'cause only worth a certain amount of money apparently because they're not willing to pay that one hundred a hundred and fifty dollars for this. What is the reasoning that you all are hearing as to why? They aren't doing it so I would say it's multiple different reasons we got. That's just some of it's just sheer ignorance. Some people don't realize that you can basically guarantee survival from a heat stroke if you get temperature down rapidly that's one second We do hear from State High School Athletic Association's The governing bodies in each state for high school sports that they don't want to mandate You know the school having to buy the TUB which we we don't believe that at all we we think that's just complete nonsense because they mandate that there has to be a certain number of officials that each team that you know the the length of each team and all these other policies so we we do believe that they could you know mandate schools also having health and safety policies. They're a good example is the state of Florida. which wasn't that? Hbo Piece That you're talking about a few weeks ago and their executive director you know Just couldn't really seriously address that issue. I mean Florida has more heat stroke. That's in high school football. Since two thousand ten than any other state in America and they still refuse to mandate they recommend but if you use to mandate cold water immersion tubs. Football fought practices limited. Just a high school or youth football or do you find the same problem exists at the college level. Now Thankfully I. I would say almost just every college sports program American House immersing tubs there thankfully they all have outlet of trainers that can help oversee the proper care. But as you know Michael Jordan McNair okay. So the University of Maryland last year That even at the biggest level of sports you you still have. People not implement best practices to take care of an athlete and prevent them from dying. But we You know but the high school is that we have made a lot of progress. But I don't WanNa be only negative. I mean we. We have found in our last latest research study that we're over sixty percent of high school sports programs in America. Now have immersing tubs available. I'm we're talking back in two thousand ten. That number was the only about a third. I'm so the we're making progress. We obviously just wanted to happen. Faster but One of the big issues making sure. There's an athletic trainer which is a licensed medical a professional Making sure every high school sports program has an athletic trainer. And we're at about seventy percent have access to an athletic trainer right now Maybe not working as much as we'd want to to but at least they're thinking about the importance of the athletic trainer. One of the numbers as far as you. Yes from football and playing in the search circumstances and you've been talking about bound sports You know with this. Probably in the Ballpark of thirty to forty deaths per year from all causes and I mentioned all causes on purpose because not having good policies for exercising the heat increases risk of cardiac death a lot obviously increases risk apiece stroke death increases risk of something called exertions circling. I'm which is another common caused deaths So there's there's other issues that the heat exacerbates the rest when you don't have good policies in place to keep people safe in the heat. There are multiple medical conditions that can result. And we're we're talking with Dr Doug Doug Casa and Doug is the CEO. The korey Stringer Institute a professor in the Department of Kinesiology Allergy at the University of Connecticut and he was featured in the story by HBO Real Sports about the deaths associated to heat stroke. I think most people know especially if they live back East East. What the weather is like in the summertime even into the fall heat wise and also humidity wise Tell me a little bit about what parents who have kids involved loved in football or any exertion sport can do a really good point to raise so if any parent in America the first thing they should it ever do is when they're dropping. The kid off at the school is asking. Does my school having athletic trainer Because we don't want coaches you know being the person that's going to dictate if their kid lives or dies when we're talking about cardiac issues headed serious head injuries heatstroke fickling and other things like that decision that is made in the first ten eh going to dictate if the athlete lives or dies. So we we have to have the licensed medical professional there so that'd be the first thing I'd tell parents make sure they're high. School has an outlet of trainer there During these you know these really intense August practices that we're talking about obviously all year things can happen but August especially from a perspective And then second I would you know. We'll see where where they fall in line. I would have to the questions to website. And look at their state and see where their state are related to policies Because we evaluate every post every single states policies and you tap on what policies. Your state has Your individual highschool could have the policies in place they don't have to wait for the state to mandate it but it'll give parents it's an idea of what best practices are what's recommended And then you know you got a sense of like what level of education or the coaches have other coaches prioritizing health and safety issues The the parents have to be proactive. The parents of the most important advocates. If we're going to see changes locally and at at the state level I mentioned that you're involved with the prevention of sudden death in in sports and One of that part part of that is wearable technologies. I'm interested where are we technologically. So we still have a little ways to go The the one of the things that were most hopeful for Is having some kind of wearable technology that can accurately assess core body temperature so You know my dream is is that an athletic trainer is going to be on the sideline with an IPAD and know the body temperatures. Have all the athletes while they're practicing We have some really high technologies. That are very expensive at that can be done right now. But they're not cost feasible For High School Setting But so so that's kind of the holy grail items in In kind of sports medicine. Listen that we know we can keep them safe if we can track their temperature during practice and and once they got to a higher level you know you know give them a longer rest break or out for a little while so that they don't get to the point of each drug you know. I think I don't know how old you are but I think you probably remember that picture of the marathoner coming into the Olympic Olympic Stadium. I'll take him as in Los Angeles that was just struggling and everything over and over again. that to me is probably the one image. I have deals with heat. Yeah so that was Gabriel andersen-scheiss She was a big marathon runner in nineteen eighty four Los Angeles Olympics and yes she was deaf. Thanks for coming on to a heat stroke on that final lap. Medical people should have intervened and not let her continue Because that obviously could have caused more problems and and it delayed her care. You're what challenges you the most dug when it comes to this subject how I think that the struggle the biggest struggle for us is that you know policies at the high school level Happen on a state by state basis. There's no national governing body that can institute these rules and the state by state level the state high school athletic. Association's are athletic administrators. They're not medical people so the medical health and safety standards in our country for high school athletes for the eight million high school athletes. Lights there are dictated and developed by non medical people so that's the biggest frustration for us now. Most states have sports medicine. Advisory Committees made up physicians and athletic trainers is that kind of advise these administrators for the best policies but ultimately the vote comes down to the administrators and they get to decide on what the health and safety policies are for our children. What was the reaction to the? Hbo Story About What You had to say. In it I got a lot of really good feedback from people and it was a great way of highlighting our struggles sales because the the executive director of the Florida High School Athletic Association. You know Was Very hesitant on trying to encourage these kinds of best practice policies and that's the frustration. You know that we have and We're we're having a lot of success and so I don't want that to be the image that people have that that that's But it gives you an idea got some of the struggles that we face. Doug you've been in this business for a long time and as you've already talked about. The korey stringer situation in this one. That was on H. B. O.. Are you hopeful that maybe in another five to ten years that we may have a better handle on this issue because this is a big issue when it comes particularly to youth sports in my opinion I do believe I believe so I I think in the last five years we've made more progress than the previous twenty five years combined so I I think we're on a good part of the curve right now but Your show so here and other things like that it just help get the word out because we just we need the ignorance to go away. We need to make sure everyone understands that. And then we need to find solutions to whatever problems. uh-huh people are facing that are holding them back from making these policies. We've got about thirty seconds left but I have found in all the years in sports that this usually happens more at the youth youth level or the young athlete level than any almost any other where it went place in sports. Do you find it the same way. I no question. Because it's such variability right in the the level of the athlete and the people who are supervising them We've we've seen some really good progress at the NFL and you know at the NCAA. And and many of the high schools across America State High School Athletic Association's Georgia and New Jersey and others have really made some great progress and I think that momentum is carrying on to other states right. Now Doug I I WanNa thank you this Forum and Sports Byline is always there for you. If something new comes down the road let me know and come on and talk about it because I wanted to parents and I want people associated with sports boards to know about this issue and try to prevent those desk. Because it's very easy to take care my friend. Okay thank you so much opportunity by again Dr Doug Cassie. The korey Stringer Institute a professor in the Department of Kinesiology at the University of Connecticut. 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If you WANNA comment you're welcome to there's actually I'm looking at the story that you're sharing here from McGill Media Johnson. And they're they've got some tweets that are kind of interspersed throughout the story. The one of them here from Cincy Rock rock underscore princess says about one of these Trans abled. People it's just another person's opinion about them she's an effing oxymoron. I'm disgusted by this this. I'm disabled physically from birth. I would sell my soul to the devil himself to not be in pain the way I am every day and yet these people people want to put themselves into that that position. They have completely full able bodied. You know lives. They want to destroy Roy themselves basically so they can in this one woman's case get rid of her anxiety she says this late stage Romagnoli Ullman. You decline collapse Roman Empire Level DEGENERACY. And what's bad. This is bad it's just it's it's a it's a manifestation of some sort of childhood childhood trauma pretty clearly if you know anything about psychology whatsoever. It's usually pretty clear that this is where these types of things come from. You know that it's something weird. Weird happened when they were a kid and they're not talking about that. Yeah well take this research scientist here. That wants to legs eggs. You know says my friends and family can get a little worried about me skiing. is they know. I ski very aggressively. And they know that in the back of my mind I actually want to get paralyzed. She added in two thousand and nine. She suffered a seventy five mile per hour car crash and could not remember anything. Fifteen minutes prior to the impact police have ruled without the possibility of deliberate action but she worries that she might have subconsciously. Wanted this to happen now. She spends most of the time in on a wheelchair but gets up whenever she has to perform tasks. Like getting off the car Anytime when I'm driving. I sort of conjure up accident scenarios in my mind I I will become a paraplegic. She confessed obviously not everyone can wrap their head around the concept of Trans abled people and feel. They are diverting the attention away from Disabled Folks Particularly Disabled Trans Folks. So that's the that's the end of the story crazy. Yeah I'm in and I think the main differences universe always been crazy people there's always been like self-flagellation and demoniac and such but I mean the difference today and the ten acres and Oh yeah yeah especially above all the differences today enough quack doctors and people who just I mean have just no standards that veil encouragement vail enable them to do that. So I mean like I feel sorry and I'm disgusted by these Yoko Trans ablest but I think the real villain here is these quacks. Who are who convincing per person to donate for is or corneas to To donate it to someone who do wants eyesight is one thing but just like say. Hey here you go. Here's a drain. I'll go destroy your eyesight. Can you do that. Can you donate your material to somebody who's blind. Is that even work. I doubt anyone. Will you know one would think no one would want to jeff like get actively get rid of her eyesight. But it's different now apparently. Oh yeah yeah absolutely so it would be even more ridiculous if you're allowed to you know have a have a medical procedure to destroy your eyesight. But you're not allowed to donate your I. I can't blame the woman's family for disowning her in this particular the case because it's like if something happens to a loved one on accident or they're born disabled. Obviously you stick with them and you do what you can to to to help him out and you know if that means helping take care of them in some way then. That's what a lot of families are willing to do. But if your family members like well I want more attention and and I'm GONNA go ahead and Gouge my eyes out or cut my legs off just you can take care of me and help me get around. Why wouldn't blame somebody like well? Screw you then. You can go die as as far as I'm concerned because you're useless what are you gonNa do just man I mean I feel like I'm really being harsh on this. I know this is. This is like the most defense offense one of the most offensive things. I think I've heard about. Yeah and it's it's it's just interesting because we're in a time where again it's feelings versus reality right you know. And it's it's you're not allowed supposedly to question someone's feeling yes. Yeah someone's feelings and someone's if they say that that's their their experience who read a question it but again to me. I see this as a natural outcropping wrapping of the fact that we pass to religion so to me. It's just a natural thing you give a pass to religion. Of course you have to get a pass to translate pass like like infant question the logical beliefs of religious people. You can't say absolutely You can't even all the time you can. But it's not socially acceptable Aramco. It totally socially acceptable especially on campus and the Internet and TV the holy via FIDORA tipping and such. I guess the difference between sorry. I interrupted difference between what someone like. You know personal belief. Someone has and like physically destroying for for body right. You can have whatever feelings you what to if you feel like. You're you're born a woman but you weren't actually you know were you instead born a man. Fine that's cool. Hooman feel however you want. It's your body you can feel you want if you feel like XYZ. It's all fine that doesn't put a burden on anyone else right right but when you've cut your legs off well there's probably some people who got to help you do stuff now if you've blinded yourself there's definitely going to be people that have to help you do who stuff and so you've now put your own. You've created burdens on somebody else because of your feelings in that case that's way different than somebody just feeling like they were born the wrong gender whatever that doesn't actually affect anyone else in any way except for their opinions whereas now if you less demanding sending people call you by certain pronouns you can demand everything you what to. You can't force them to do them. Canada you certainly can. Isn't it like New York City somewhere. We're in New York City. You certainly can well. That's a problem with government. Yeah but that's the problem with that is you know. That's that's the thing is is that we live in a society where now government is trying to determine reality right it's reality versus feelings you know and so we're we're just getting in it and it's going in the wrong direction. No doubt this is crazy. I mean it's hard to believe it's hard to imagine what's going to come after this because I didn't see this one. And where's it going from here. If you WANNA comment you. Can the toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero. Oh three seven three three the chat room talking about Lieutenant Dan the the forrest Gump character. Who lost his legs? If you recall that film got well I John was spoil it but got got him back again. Oh that's right. Yeah that is what happened. What if your employees you identifies unemployed? Can you collect employment. Unemployment youth unemployment. I had done. I'm employed by identify unemployed. Why would have identify as a as a sand worm from planet Iraq is so then I could Just like with the native American Church peyote I could have access to spicing K.. Too if identifies a sandwich the spice must flow. All right. Let's let's move on. I don't think there's much more to say about these trends able so-called people in the mental illness that they've obviously got Vincent you had a story about Sandy Hook the shooting down in Connecticut or some would say the alleged shooting shooting because there are people who actually believe it didn't happen. You're going to get kicked off the area. I don't actually believe the Alex Jones treatment. I don't believe what sued didn't Alex end up claiming that he didn't even believe that He he said that he was under a form of psychosis because of of of of allies of fake news because of all the chemicals you've been putting in his body from his whatever he sells I remember. He said he was in the video. I think it's a deposition to four hour deposition. Yeah I don't have a life that I watched all four hours of it. I watched the first two hours and eventually was just repeating it. It was. I mean it was interesting to receiver tactics. Both lawyers and Jones used to get around it but he said I remember exactly what he said on Sandy Hook be as soon as Sandy Hook happened. I wasn't. You're all evil doers awards. No he was like I I. I don't I don't recall saying that. BET clips out of context. No respect your authority coming up. We'll get into what's going on with Sandy Hook REMINGTON in the gun manufacturer coming up and our Caputo Cho is the world's foremost conference for voluntariness thinkers and activists held and Beautiful Acapulco Mexico share ideas ideas and how to live free and escape the clutches of the State. Their unparalleled lineup of speakers will discuss entrepreneurship. Investments Politics Philosophy health sustainability lifestyles styles in personal relationships. 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Yes yes and it's I just want to preface just by saying I don't know if you remember V so it's technically a Republican Supreme Court right and if you remember the controversy of Kavanagh yes I just find right at funny about Conservatives and Liberty Conservatives or Libertarians where you want to call them we're fighting tooth and nail for Cavenaugh Yo defending cavenaugh famous for uh-huh nothing's but he was known for sporting the Patriot Act and they said. Oh yeah we gotta get it or something like that. I don't know if he wrote it but I knew I was like a major black stain on him. But you know all the usual usual suspects in the alternative media were saying well you know if a Democrat tatum so much we got to put them in an arc edge on one of our co host was all salivating over this guy. Oh He's GonNa be he's GonNa be good judge he's a good judge all right and yet in Nevada has not been the case. He's just been behaving like I had to remind him them in any listeners. That might have agreed with that that these judges almost always side with the state. It doesn't matter if they were appointed by a Republican or a Democrat nine times times out of ten every now and then you'll get a decent ruling out of the Supreme Court but nine times out of ten they're expanding the state's power they're expanding the police powers and they're expanding you know the the all the jurisdiction of the government over your lives absolutely and I don't want it to imply that What what happened to cabinet on smear campaign against What was was okay? But but that just doesn't make him a good Supreme Court justice so we'll see all you know so now I'm seeing obvious. Republicans Chewing Vera was eating words because the Supreme Court so this is from CNN published published today. Supreme Court won't stop a lawsuit brought by Sandy Hook Victims Families Against Remington Arms Cova manufacture picture of semiautomatic rifle that was using B twenty twelve mass shooting in an elementary school being sandy hook. The court decided not to take up an appeal by REMINGTON. The marks a blow to the gun industry depending on the outcome of a case it could open the door to gun. Violence Victims Families Suing gun manufacturers for damages and Yeah I wonder if then by that logic people will be able to sue you know the pharmaceutical industry in the vaccine industry for via damage. That happens From for their products car manufacturers for car accident Oh good point good point yes. Sue Oven Manufacturers for fires. The Sandy Amy Hook because then tasers would have a lot of suits right a lotta suits coming their way from all the time the cops all around. No it's okay when the cops us the taste well the the the tasers themselves. It's not the person who's using it the weapon. It's a fault doesn't have to be a conscious mind. Yeah see so. I don't think or people don't kill people. Guns kill people so it's the the gun's fault but you guys are right at. This would open a huge Pandora's box if if the lawsuit succeeds but remember for what has happened here is the Supreme Court has said is the lawsuit can proceed. There's not actually a ruling here on the question on the table now. uh-huh happened for a long while but I mean a lot of people. Are you know some people are like the gun via the the gun rights. People are viewing this as being a major loss. The in fact they even let it go through. It's not even a I wouldn't say it's a major loss. It's like they would have to be. I would have to hear RIMINGTON's argument as to why they even even took this up there. I mean it almost seems like an unnecessary appeal. Just go ahead and let the suit go. It might even get tossed out right out the gate a lot of times Lawsuits that are filed. Don't even make it to an initial hearing because the judge is motion motion somebody motions to dismiss the case. The judge like yeah. This is crap all that. That's why we've I don't get an activist judge. I mean this this case. So Connecticut heeded Yo. Yeah and your day anytime you have dead kids that had immediately. You're fraud all freedom out the window window. Yeah I mean I'm not GonNa say I'm certain that the judges will make the right choice in this case. I what you're saying. It's not the end of the world for Remington but this is a large a potential Pandora's box the opened. And I don't think I don't think judges are going to be willing to open that that Pandora's box so via the Sandy Sandy Hook victims families are quote grateful for these Super Supreme Court's decision attorneys for family said in a statement they call Rimington's appeal companies quote latest attempt to avoid accountability. Pretty a spokesman from REMINGTON could not immediately be reached for comment a two thousand five federal law protects many gun manufacturers from wrongful death lawsuits brought by family only members but families victims of Elementary School shooting in Newtown Connecticut are pushing for a different approach a survivor and families a survivor and families families of nine over victims of Sandy Hook elementary school mass shooting are attempting to hold Remington Arms Company. The manufacturer semi automatic rifles used in a crime partly responsible by targeting companies as marketing strategy lawyers for victims sued Remington contending that the company marketed rifles by extolling the militaristic qualities of a rifle and reinforcing the image of a combat weapon in violation of Connecticut Law that Prevents Deceptive Marketing Practices Ridiculous for rifle was designed as a military gary weapon and go engineer to deliver maximum carnage with extreme efficiency. They argue in legal. Briefs sounds like was he of read the do doom comic rip and tear on as it about the video game doom. Yeah yeah where it's like the it's it's like a parody of how violent it is and so one of the line. The lines it became a mean was rip and tear. So I've seen for troy over using all. These buds will buzzwords military weapon engineer to deliver maximum carnage. I doubt that the Remington an advertisement uses the term maximum carnage but I don't disbelieve. The claim that they are using military kind of ICONOGRAPHY graphics graphics to try to encourage people. I mean if they have a problem with just the way they marketed. I mean I don't know why they don't have a problem with the D. H S using targets of of women and children for one they shoot When a of arrange time more coming up here in moments the toll free numbers eighty five four fifty free? It would be interesting to actually see the remaining the ads in question just so we have some idea of of context. 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That doesn't mean that they they actually. That doesn't mean the court agrees that there's a standing to sue necessarily or that. The court agrees that the suit will be successful successful. They're just saying you. Can you can file this suit. I mean really. It sounds almost like a non event and it makes me wonder why Remington spent so much time time doing this. What do they call interlocutory appeal? I think that's what you know this. This is Again not an attorney but I believe that an interlocutory appeal is where if you're in a legal process and a judge makes a decision. You can then appeal that decision. You freeze the a case and then you appeal tire time. The court is making a whole bunch of money and so the lawyers let dry because you have to deal with this. And maybe maybe that's what they thought they had in mind. Maybe REMINGTON was like okay. Let's see if we can bleed these people dry on attorney's fees maybe the maybe they're not not paying the for the attorneys but if they are paying for the attorneys then okay now going all the way to the Supreme Court. They've paid a bunch of money for these attorneys. Now they get to file their lawsuit. They haven't even gotten the their feet wet on the actual suit that they're trying to file because of this appeal to the Supreme Court and it's delayed the process as as well so it'd be interesting to hear somebody who's paid close attention to the case. Let's talk to Chris. He's in Alabama listening to WBZ HP there in Huntsville. Hey Chris Chris Hi very good form tonight as usual gentlemen thank you. Hey I'm not going to bore you with the details of the safe eight one I think of it this way or that way I'm into firearms industry as far as building accessories for firearm. Speak Pretty much a a phantom where I'm coming from on it. The one thing. It really disturbs me. Not just for the firearms. Thank thank you know. Watch a football game this weekend. He goes eight million car commercials which you get to hate after awhile and none of them are driving their kids kids to school in slowly letting them out or leading grandma out. They've got the gas pedal cram straight to the fuel injector going sideways around corners Surface streets. So it's a marketing thing so I see what you're saying you're you're talking about how in car commercials. They always always have that. You know the disclaimer at the bottom professional driver on a closed course do not tried to sit home. But they're like doing all this fancy stuff that you're talking about the economic actually supposed to do right but The the plaintiffs in the suit are basically saying well remington marketed. These are canes as You know slaughter machines in which they didn't and so it it opens up like y'all had said I said earlier it opens up the real kind of a Pandora's box on a lot of stuff. So how people advertise and market is now going to be president accident in suits being filed. And that's all we need to do is make government lawyers creature. That's kind of a minor or point of what I was telling about the major point of what I was calling about about two or three weeks ago Having a conversation with a very foolish friend of mine who has a class to manufacturers gun licence. In other words he can make silencers pelotas whatever and he says. Oh we have the Supreme Rain Court. I'm not worried about any gun legislation and my response was we don't have crap I mean it's like vote for Republicans. Republicans and Frank. You're safe that's when you really need to get scared and we do not have nothing and Nope we're dealing with with the criminal organization. One of them may be soft crime. Republicans or other than maybe heart with feel criminal organization. So you don't have yeah. I think you're absolutely right about that again. This decision is yet another point. Point in your your column on that one. Well good long guys keep it up. I'll watch I'll listen every day and are we listening tomorrow. Thank thank you Chris. I definitely appreciate hearing from you tonight. And thanks for your industry Insight and expertise. The toll free number here is eight fifty fifty five four hundred fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven. Three three You said you. Where's your story from CNN? I've we've got a Time magazine piece about the same thing. And here's what. The attorney representing the families had to say quote. The families are grateful that the Supreme Court upheld precedent denied REMINGTON. Lincoln's latest attempt to avoid accountability. We already to resume discovery and proceed towards trial in order to shed light on. RIMINGTON's profit driven strategy eh to expand the fifteen market and court high risk users at the expense of American safety. Well okay the company's after profit that's kind of the whole point and I mean do do they really think Remington wants to court high risk users. I mean it's the same thing as I do really think that GM. Tom Ford wants to court to people who drag race right. Because I mean the second someone dies because of a product you if we're GONNA get into sorta mess it's going to be all over. The news is going to be a bunch of bad. Pr and I mean like you you know. Certainly there's a lot of issues of the American gun industry. We're going protectionism in in in in such but I mean just to it it just so easy easy to paint B's gun manufacturers as being evil that I think you know if they have a connecticut jury We're GONNA throw the book at him. Eight fifty five. Four or fifty free is the toll free number here. According to this story the court actually didn't even hear the case so they essentially upheld the lower court's ruling so the appeals court's arts ruling. That the case could go forward was simply allowed to stand by the Supreme Court just to be technically corrective on. What exactly transpired here? Vincent was there more from your story that you wanted to share with us. Yeah so um they just all they do is give. It's a consumer market for rifles as fallen precipitously additionally in recent years called manufacturer VR. Fifteen rifle has announced it's exiting the consumer rifle market. A similar gun was using the sandy hook shooting so I mean and if people who paid close attention they repeat themselves in this article. Many times I think about like three times. They've had to go back to Sandy Hook. And I mean I I believe that via decline in consumer was the consumer market for. I will just because everyone bought from Ivor when Obama was in office after Sandy Hook or before the two twenty sixteen election when everyone thought that Hillary was going to get in everyone panic. Or you know. Many people panic bought and Venezuela's trump gets in van. Everyone just you know. No one's afraid anymore. Four and a lot of companies went out of business because they're banking on Hillary Clinton becoming Becoming president so that's why that via the market's going down because everyone already has achieved. They are says here in this story. That so the family members filed a wrongful death suit against Remington over its marketing practices. Remington argued it was protected under the law. This federal law that you mentioned mentioned earlier Vincent the Protection of Lawful Commerce Arms Act Remington argued it was protected but the family suit says. The federal law doesn't apply plot because they were accusing Remington of violating state laws in the marketing of the weapon in March. The Connecticut Supreme Court agreed Remington appealed to the US Supreme Court which which declined to hear the case without offering any explanation. 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Excuse me yeah So anyway I got good news for you. Gentlemen during the during the break I guess it was like this was an hour ago. I just noticed it. Thank you to Baraka Sixty six eighty four in our twitch chat room for contributing a tip to the show now. We don't mention this during our radio. Radio shows very often in fact almost never mentioned it but we do have a website called tip dot dot. FM You can contribute via paypal or credit card and while we're live on the army do it anytime but it's best if you do it when we're we're live And if you do it while we're alive I will hand out money in the studio. Oh to the CO hosts who are with me here so but in this case you guys opted into accepting the gold backs instead of cash cash but you wanted these goal bax x here. So I'm giving you gold backs. Baraka contributed sixty six bucks tonight. So this is a sponsor go back is not a sponsor I just love these things. Okay Chuck Conversation that I had with CO worker. You can talk about anything you want so well. Yeah I know but I'm not gonNA like purposely fat mouth I would love for them to be a sponsor I'll tell you that I think the gold bag super cool I. It's it's cool and it's definitely cool looking and I love it as an art piece but I really and I was having having this conversation I seriously question the actual value of these. Because you know I mean you do question whether or not there's golden it. What not question whether or not there's goals in it but whether there's the amount of dated right so it's GonNa make it very hard difficult to test? It's just like the Shire Silver Right. In order to test this you would have to partially we destroy it. Laminated in the way that you're thinking I believe that It's somehow based on what I've seen definitely coated in something. There may be some sort of a coating there but from what I read when I saw on their website. You can do some sort of an electrical test with this okay. That's interesting I don't know how many you know people are GonNa do typically when you test goal. That's an acid test others also. Yeah do well okay but I think typically it's scratchy. Just scratch a little off you rub it on like rub the metal material onto a type of litmus paper or something like that and you drop a particular type of acid on it and a bubbles up and if it turns his color it's cold so I don't know that that test is going to be fully formed on that and even if it was I think that generally like if you were to try and take this to general dealer. They're gonNA say well give you melt. You shouldn't be taking this to to a coin dealer. Try to get any any value out of it. Because you aren't going to get a you're GONNA get likely a fraction of what what you paid for a supposed to move gold around and make it easy see to to give in to receive gold. I could not One would hope it. You look. I've got I've got some gold pieces and I'm looking to get rid it up right now that the small piece is like a tenth of an ounce. It's it's smaller than your pinkie finger right around. And it's super easy to lose news and it's one hundred sixty bucks or the goal right whereas whereas you know one of these gold backs it's not easy to lose these. They're large they're shiny. They're easy easy to see. You can drop a gold piece and it's gone forever. This dropping air doesn't pick it up So it makes it easy to put the put gold in your wallet now which yeah. I have gold now in my wallet which I've never done that before. I've given these out his tips now. I don't do it without asking. I always say to the service provider. Eighty one cash today. Tippety won gold and I let them choose and actually surprising number of them have chosen old. I would say the majority of I still need to find out you know. There was a thrift store in town. At one point I bought for like two bucks or something like that. It was a baggy of gold coins. That were tiny little gold coins then then real gold or gold look unknowns but it very much looks like they could actually be gold coins and they are tiny and they look to me they were tarnishing initiating and looked legit. I've never had them tested. But it is just reminding me that I had these things that looked like they were legit and there was something about the Providence You know where they came from. That suggested another possibility that they might have been legit and it was given to me it was. I was allowed to purchase it at that. Because you know there was some debt impossible things of like okay okay. You'RE GONNA have this at this price so we don't know but I I kinda WanNa know like now because it is. It's a tiny little coin and it's like Yay big. There's no what other coin would be made to be small unless they were specifically trying to make something to be counterfeit but would be. Why is what would you do date on the things that even even read it's horrid the Renton? It's tiny I mean yes. There is definitely imprinting on it but I would have to get a magnifying glass. It reminds me of I used to live in Chandler Arizona. Anders Ahah tourist is trap or something. My family went to let you know kids pan for gold in exchange for you know for for like some some you know some of money and I remember for the longest time I had this little Like film canister had little tiny. I mean the size of like an air soft. BB thing of gold. This is really unique. So I accidentally arrested the gold back on my mouses track pad and it disables it just by touching it. That's interesting so there are some lots electrically really sensitive electrically sensitive yeah So check it out. Gold backs a pretty cool. The IT'S UTAH. Mormons are making these things so hopefully. They're not actually scamming people and this is actually actually real gold. I think it's it's I believe that these are real but I know somebody's going to be doing actually here in New Hampshire. One of our friends is planning on doing fire assay of Of One of these things. So Oh you know there are independent folks. I think who have already looked at this. I don't think UPA which is the The United Precious Metals Association OR MAYBE IT's Utah Precious Metals Settles Association. UPN May Dot Org They're a separate group and they've sort of taken on the gold back helping distribute them so I don't think that they would risk their reputation on something. That wasn't you. You know what it was was made out to be. Also the manufacturer of the gold box is not the goal back company. They've contracted with a company called Orem. Which has its very twenty? I century technology to do this gold spraying of polyester. I wonder how much it would be if you were to get a like this level of thickness but this type of print on these very thin just so yeah very very thin like an eighteen by twenty four poster like what value. Oh you kike. You'd have to contact them. They have different size products that they make. I wonder I wonder if they have a poster. I don't know what the widest part you like. They have a certain machine. That's doing this work. You can see it in the videos on their website. So I don't know how wide wide could be for these things much used by a regular digital printer. I mean that could be. They could probably do like thirty six inches I mean. I don't think there's anything regular about this process. That's pretty fancy. So check that out and also later tonight wait. We're not done yet or at least Vincent. You're not done yet. A long shot. You're going to be doing a show on our video channels at D. Live Dot dot FM at twitch dot L. L. R. N. DOT FM. Coming up in about a half an hour. 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Four eight five six thousand three. This is America sports talk show sports byline. USA here's Ron Les Krantz joins US on Sports byline. If anybody is listening to me for the eighteen plus years I've been doing this show you know. I love to read sports books. And there's one from last that that has come across my desk that I'm just going to cherish. Because not only will I be able to read this book but I'm also going to be able to watch the DVD. And I'll explain that to you in just a moment. The name at this wonderful book is called Real Baseball. And that's spelled R. E. L. Baseball Baseball's golden era the way America witnessed it in the movie newsreels. Israel's less a great idea. Where did you come up with this one you know? It's a very young man. When he used to go to the movies I used to see baseball in the newsreels You know before the main feature in the movies they had something called newsreels. That's how you got the news of the day. There was no television. And if I'm not mistaken wasn't movie tone. What movie tone was one of the big ones and actually one of the best ones and on the DVD? That comes with my book. We have twenty-five newsreels. I'd say about half of them are made by movie tone. Universal also made a lot of newsreels and So did paramount. And hearst also made made up it was big big business back in the old days and of course. That's what really popularize baseball you know. We saw the baseball players on the same screen that we saw movie stars and you know looking at him in the audience they were thirty feet tall. So you can imagine the impact this has on a kid. I know it get on me and probably did on you and of course this is white. Baseball became the national pastime. So this book covers between nineteen thirty two and nineteen sixty five and gas ask that really. The death of the the newsreels was really television. Developing was yes that was it. But in nineteen thirty three was the first all star game and That kind of unified baseball in the sense that all of a sudden even if you live in a city where they just had an American League or National League you could see the whole the whole Gamut of of Major League baseball so it's nineteen thirty three to nineteen sixty five last one of the things that I think made the newsreel presentation so unique unique and so special and correct me. If you think I'm wrong about this was the narration. The voice the drama and the way it was presented some of the great announcers years of the era did the newsreels and they're on the DVD. That comes with the book. You'll hear you'll see the newsreel. And you'll hear you'll hear the voice of Mel Allen and you remember Ed Herlihy and her when he was one of the great sports announcers actually he was also the first announcer for the tonight show. Excuse me when Jack parted and a guy named Ed Sorenson who did a lot of the early newsreels in the nineteen thirties in here. And I'm assuming this the about any goodell all right any doubt for those who don't know ready get bill back who some people call him. The Crown Prince of baseball he was a fabulous promoted. He would do all these gimmicks to get crowds and when he was manager at the Of Saint Louis Browns and they weren't drawing a lot of crowds back and and he had to come up with all these crazy stuff the entertain people so he got a midget named Eddy. Goodell pitcher and Eddie Goodell stood about three feet. Six inches. Tall Strike Zone was about eleven inch and so he was a sure walk and that was one of the great stunts in baseball. And I I tell you. There's another fabulous newsreel. It's one of my favorite on the DVD that that has to do with bill back That was in the when the Saint Louis Browns in nineteen forty four had a at what arm player. His name was Pete Gray and he was outfielder. This guy could catch a ball like Willie mays as I've never seen anything like it. He had like a vacuum cleaner in his glove. One arm and he could hit as well with one arm as most most major leaguers could with two very very interesting guy at a very interesting newsreel. That you'll get to see on the DVD. You mentioned you also had another story you WANNA share with. What was it less? Well I think one of my favorite stories it happens. Also be on the DVD. Joe Garagiola incidentally narrating the DVD. Joe told me this story we have in one thousand nine hundred fifty five all star game in Milwaukee and it went twelve innings and Stan Museum was at the plate and Yogi Barrow is catching and of course they were kind of buddies. 'cause they're both from Saint Louis at least originally from Saint Louis and in the twelfth inning Yogi says to stand. He's his Oh man. I'm so darn tired. I WanNa go home scam. Easier steps out of the batter's box looks at him. He's Okay Yo Watch this and we'll all go holiday gets a home run. The game's over. They all went home. Joe Garagiola not only witnessed a lot of these games. He played in a lot of these games. That's why it was so great to have him as the show host of my DVD. We have the one thousand nine hundred forty six world series in which he was the catcher and There's about seventeen world series and all that we have and just some of the great ones Most people have never ever seen babe. Ruth play or Babe Ruth Talk we just know about him. We've heard about them. We've got Babe Ruth on these newsreels. You'll see Mickey Mantle and Joe Dimaggio and you know it. It gives me goosebumps to watch these newsreels. Well that's where I was going next You have I see a picture here about ball classics. And it's Of course the seventh game of the nineteen sixty world series when Mazeroski hit the walk off home run that wanted and I was just a very young kid and I remember sneaking my radio into my classroom and hearing hearing that Call of that and I never had a chance to see it until I saw the Newsreel of it and I think for any of us. That either was young and didn't didn't get a chance to see a lot of the great moments watching it by way of news. Reort going back and watching it through this book. I think is going to be spine tingling because it'll give us a perspective it'll bring back good memories first of all and it'll give others probably a perspective about the game and why it was called our national pastime. I'm so glad you mentioned that. Nineteen sixty world series in my opinion Ron. That is the greatest moment in baseball. There was no more exciting then game in that game. It was the seventh game of the World Series and the Yankees and and Pittsburgh kept passing the lead back and forth in the seventh inning. They passed the lead back and forth. They did it again in the eighth inning and again in the ninth inning. Okay and all of a sudden Pittsburgh is down to run. It's the bottom of the ninth inning. Bill Mazeroski at the plate. He hits a home run a three run home. Run to win the win the ball game. It's the only time the world series ever ended with a home. Run in the bottom of the ninth inning. That is the greatest moment in baseball history. And I'll tell you something. In my opinion it was greater than the shot heard round the world which is also on the DVD. You can compare them unless Krantz is with us. We're talking about his latest offering. It's called real. Oh Baseball R. E. E. L. Baseball's golden era of the way America witnessed in the movie newsreels. One of the other things. I think that people will come away with from the book an particularly from the DVD. And I'm struck by this. Is that if you take a look at the stadiums were baseball was played the uniforms and just what the game was like during in those days. It's so different from the the type of you know. Modern stadiums with the plush boxes and everything that we have today and I really like that aspect of the DVD. Less you you can. You can see the old ballpark so you can see the old ebbets field where the Brooklyn dodgers played in the Polo grounds where the New York giants played the old Spartan Arts Sportsman's park in St. Louis Fenway Park in Boston. The Old Tiger Stadium. You know this is just a trip back to the greatest era in in baseball. And maybe some of the greatest players to say Ron. You know what think what really stood out in my mind is as I was was writing this book looking gathering all the photos. There's there's over two hundred photos in the book get up is when you look at the great sluggers baseball. I'm talking about Mickey Mantle. Ola talking about Joe Dimaggio talking about Ted Williams. These were not big Husky. Guys these guys were Railfan but boy can swing a bat boy. I love the pictures in this book. Also tell everybody what an E. S. pitches and of course In this book you have Ted Williams and what he did in the All Star again pitch. I'm still not sure if it's a combination of a curveball slider and a change of it was just a weird pitch. Almost nobody could hit headed. Ted Williams got a got a home. Run off that pitch chapter thirty four. You Have California here we come. How did that change baseball? Well well I tell Ya. It changed baseball in the sense that all of a sudden baseball really became a national sport. You know during most of the Golden Age of baseball baseball is just played eight and twelve cities and they were all eastern cities. There was only one city that was west of the Mississippi which was Saint Louis and by the way it's right on the Mississippi the stadiums. It's about four miles west of the Mississippi and the the southern most At Baseball town which was Cincinnati was north of the Mason Dixon. Line so baseball was very regional sport. At that time yet it was still the you know the national pastime less. I WanNa thank you very much for joining us. Congratulations on this new book. I'm looking forward to not only reading it but watching the DVD as well. Thanks a lot for joining us. Thank you so much less grants the author of this wonderful book. Please check it out. It's called Real Baseball R. E. E. L. Baseball Baseball's golden era the way America witnessed it in the movie newsreels. We continue on sports. byline imagine if this is your money and someone wants to take it from you who is it the irs. They want your money and guess what they can legally take it all of it if they want remember. 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Taking a look at the scoreboard in the NBA was Indiana one. Eleven okay see eighty five. The Pacers get their seventh win with a pair of thirty plus point quarters in the thunder only shot thirty six percent. Warren leading the way twenty three reports Brogden added twenty more. Cleveland just barely falls to Philadelphia. Ninety eight ninety seven embiid dunk. Was the game winner. There he had a double double with twenty twenty seven point. Sixteen rebound sixes are now Seven and three as the cavs dropped four and six and it was Miami won seventeen Detroit one. Oh eight heat out. Rebounded sounded Detroit by twelve board six heat scored in double figures led by Butler with twenty. He also had thirteen assists in Miami. Shot fifty three percent. They also hit fourteen threes free college basketball big upset unranked. EVANSVILLE knocked off Number One Kentucky in this game was played at Kentucky. Sixty seven to sixty four the number two duke and easy time with Central Arkansas. They went at one of five to fifty four on the ice in the National Hockey League as Shootout Win for Florida. Five four over Boston as the Bruins blue four nothing second period lead Florida tied it with four in the third period and a shootout win for Montreal. Three to over Columbus purpose carry price made thirty five saves to get the win. That's your sports update. We love watching sports but these days. It's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games. James Now with a new sport flip APP. You receive real time customize notification so you know when you're games are back after commercial break period change or rain delay download. Sport flipped from the APP store. Today and watch more sports gave it Leventhal joins us on sports. byline a Lotta books. Come across my desk and this sportsbook I wish we had pictures for this. Because this is basically what this book is about. It's a fascinating look at baseball from a different perspective and David Levin Ause the author of this book it is a picture Book Can David. I think you probably can better describe the purpose of this book. Well You Know Rhonda purpose for me was sort of twofold one throughout my artistic career of thirty some years. I've always used toys and objects as the subject matter from my artwork and one of the things that really struck me about baseball and about the figurines that have been made over. The years is is there so you know to look at for example the classic Joe Dimaggio Swing Which is actually the image that I use as for the cover of the book They just really capture the essence of the sport. You Know Willie. mays making that famous basket catch in the world series. Jackie Robinson stealing home in the world series. These are just images that particularly for someone of my generation Growing coming up in the fifties or just etched in our memories and So it was a lot of fun for me to take these inanimate objects objects and essentially try and breathe some life into them. One of the things that I find interesting about David is is that these are figurines. They're not pictures. Here's a real players playing the game at the moment but it can't captures the passion of the game. What is it about figurines? That lends itself to that rather than the real picture. I I think part of it is the figurines are you know kind of the classic moment. there you know that You Know Babe Ruth pointing to the outfield before he hits the home run or just even Babe Ruth sort of classic swing you know as he looks out and holds up the BAT I think you know the figurine captures that moment and what I try to do through. Oh my style of photography which is to use it very sort of narrow depth of field that almost gives a sense of movement to the figurines figuring it looks like the players actually sliding or the bad is is actually swinging. And you've just caught that one Sort sort of still moment So it's a it's a way. It's almost painter Lee. In a way I think is the best way I can describe it. The other the thing is do you think. The baseball lends itself better to something like this. Then say any other sport because of their look at these pictures I do feel the emotion of the game the action of the game and when I thought what about in terms of say basketball or football. I don't think that that can be captured with a picture of a figurine doing something. Well I think you're absolutely right and I think it's it's that's true on several levels you know as I say when I was growing up as a as a kid in the bay area you know. Baseball was truly the National National Pastime You know pro. Football was sort of infancy and professional. Basketball was sort of one step above barnstorming and I remember going to see the warriors at the cow palace and you. There were a lot of empty seats because it was just you know it. It hadn't really become part of our culture the way it is today In fact I have a vivid memory of seeing the Harlem globetrotters with Wilt Chamberlain at at the San Jose Civic Auditorium in my youth so that that should date me. I think pretty pretty well But I I do if I do agree with you. I think baseball is unique in that way because it did it came from time. In which most people's else recollection was either radio or sort of the visual image in the newspaper You know you didn't have that many games on television television Most of the Games were day games and You know as a kid we of course always tried to hide our transistor radio during the World Series While we were sitting in the classroom. Because you know that's when the game was on what are some of your favorite pictures of the figurines in this book. Well I have to say You know the Joe Dimaggio Photograph The photograph of Yogi Berra The Yuga Barra figuring just captures him so well I mean his face is just the quintessential Yogi and You know there. There's a high variance in the quality of some of the figurines I looked at the Carl Yastrzemski sqi figuring and and I actually ended up photographing him almost from the back because the face bore almost no resemblance in my mind to the very very striking phase of Carl Yastrzemski. That I remember from you. Know watching the Red Sox And I and of course the Jackie Robinson figuring of him sliding I even though I grew up in the bay area. My father was from Brooklyn so I was actually a dodger fan and sort of alien territory all those years and used to go to the giant Dodger Games in Seals Stadium and people were polite enough not to beat me up for rooting. uh-huh David Thaws with us. We're talking about his beautiful book called Baseball. You have a picture in here of a Casey player. Is it Satchel page it is. It's a wonderful wonderful picture. Yeah I that I was. Also you know that was one of those images where I looked at the figurine and I thought you know this really. It's not a great figuring but I did a couple of tests shots and all the photographs are done on this. It's very unique large polaroid camera that turns out an image. That's twenty twenty four inches and they're only five of them in the world fortuitously Fli one is right here in New York where I live and When I took the figurine into the studio and photographed it just I was really overwhelmed? Aimed at how strong image It became so sometimes You know it's hard for me to tell until I really get into the studio. How the figuring going to translate onto film one of the things David? I think you've done so well with this book is a figuring is a figurine but you'll photographed it in a way that I think captures the essence of the player both as a baseball player and maybe to some degree as baseball player of a sport. That's part of our national pastime. I think As I look here at the Hank Aaron won the look on his face. The muscling up of the arms. The swing of the Bat. Sit really tells the Hank Aaron Story. Yeah yeah I I think one of the things that I try and do is. I'm not really photographing the entire figuring with a lot of them. I'm just doing almost almost. It's like a portrait. You know a sort of a head and shoulders shot or you know maybe a little bit more the the body and so I'm trying hind find a way of doing exactly what you said translating the figurine into this really iconic image and with the Polaroid Camera. These figurines are usually about eight to twelve inches tall depending On which figure and and so I'm able to get in very very close and really you know in a sense take a close up portrait of the figurine which I think it makes it more more lifelike. We only have a minute left David but was the purpose of this book. At least the way you did it was not only to give young people who maybe maybe did not know these players An attachment or connection to these athletes and also those that did know them to kind of take them back to their childhood. Yeah I think very much so so I mean You know I think that's one of the wonderful things about baseball. Is that You can sit down and have this cross generational `rational conversation I mean I was fortunate. You know to be able to see players like Willie mays and Don Drysdale and Sandy Colfax you you know play and you always get the argument. You know from other players of that generation better than say the players today and so i. I really wanted to make a book. That was Very a timeless in that regard and so I had contemporary players. Here's but also some of the really great historical players like the Satchel page and Mickey Mantle In there as well congratulations. Congratulations on the book. It is a wonderful book. I recommend it to everybody. We're GONNA make it a selection of the month on the sports byline. USA Book Corner. Please come back again with US and again. Congratulations nations on this book. Well thank you so much on. It's been a pleasure if you're looking for something. That's very special that you want to give as a gift. It's called Baseball David. 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Defeating Sonny Liston considered by many to be the best sports picture of all time more than forty five years after taking his first photograph for sports illustrated lifer went on a year. Long shooting spree to show as he writes house. Sports and photography have evolved and to provide a personal unique unique look at our marquee sports event. What's the love affair between Neil Lifer and sports photography you know it's not a love affair today but it was something that just happened? I was a teenager when I got really hooked on photography and I was a huge sports fan as as most kids living on lower east side of Manhattan War. You know we have three baseball teams in town You know I was a Brooklyn Fan. Never I gave them for moving and and with me. It just developed You know that one day I realized I could put by two passions together and actually somebody. Nobody was going to pay me to go out. And do this It was love at first sight. Neil there is always a I guess something that you have to have in order to take pictures of different things. I mean if you take flowers if you take stills but you pick sports what are the characteristics what are the challenges what are the techniques that one must stamp to be successful in being sports photographer. Well I I'm you're exactly right. I mean whatever it is that I have. That made me a good sports photographer. I don't have when it would have come to still lives or photographing fashion of food. Or you know It takes patience to do those things to me. Sports otographer was simple. I really enjoyed taking pictures. I found it fascinating. You know Both technically I like the equipment but that was working with and I love sports and when you go out and you can stop a moment action. People think there's a mystery to it. It isn't an accident for example that Canon cameras for years used sports and all of their ads. It was always you know here Chrissy you you try this and here because people think there's something magical about stopping You know a football player. Jumping over the line of scrimmage jail the you know the score escort touchdown on a goal line plunge or A or a second baseman leaping over sliding runner on a double play or diver for in mid air during the Olympics. I just found that it was something I seem to have an ability to do Maybe it was just because I I was so keen on sports that I found it Natural subject I don't know as a layman. I would assume and correct me if I'm wrong about this. That the three things that Anybody in photography we but probably in sports photography you have to have is feel the Oh for sports anticipation of what might be a good picture or a great play and just plain luck. First off luck is very important and you always sound modest and I will preface this by saying. I've never met a good photographer. Who was modest? So I'm not coming on with modesty honesty. You have to be lucky to be in the right place at the right time. The best example is the picture you brought up in your introduction Ali over. Listen I always like like to point to the poor guy between all these legs who happened to be my competitor. Hervey sharpen it. Sports illustrated so I was obviously in the lucky seat. He was he's not no matter what he got He was he was looking at Ollie's rear end and that wasn't quite the picture of this great moment so luck is very important. Dissipation nation is definitely helped by understanding of the game. If you know a little about about your football team and you know how certain runners At what better. The at that. Certain receivers run their patterns You have a better chance of being there with your camera being in the right spot when when in fact You know they make a great catch. Knowledge of the game is a two way street however one of my favorite sports photographers ever. It was great. Great Life magazine photographer. Nine George Silk. Who was a New Zealand and when he came to America to work for Life Magazine and began shooting sports? I'm not sure whether he knew when you hit the ball You know at home plate the right or left and I think that was an advantage because I think he's so American sports differently than one growing up looking at the back page of the sports page of the paper. And knowing how how it's normally done so you know there's a there's a plus and minus two knowledge but more and more of a a-plus. Let's talk about this wonderful book a year in Sports. Tell everybody why you did it and what it is. Well you know I work. I covered sports sports exclusively from the time I was about fourteen or fifteen years old until Until I left sports illustrated nineteen seventy eight and by that at point You know I had been doing it for almost twenty years. I I moved over to Time magazine to hold the world out there. I wanted to photograph and at that point. I Know Longo was going to my my regular old haunts. I mean I covered by the time I'd left sports illustrated I had done seventeen. Kentucky servies fifteen world series every championship. Fight going back to Paris in your Hanson and When I left I never did another one? I've not back to a super bowl or a Kentucky. Derby Masters Golf Tournament since Nineteen six since nineteen seventy eight. Well I turned sixty two two years. Old December twenty eight two thousand four. That left three days before the New Year and I thought it would really be fun to go back at at the first of the year and go back to all these events that I had covered really you know it was my my youth. My entire youth was spent on the sidelines. You know at at the NFL. Or at the big college game of the week or ringside at a big fight or you know in the in the photo box at the the world series. I thought it was really fun to go back. And do these events again and see how they changed. How would they changed from a standpoint of what's going on on the field How would the head the arenas change the commercialism so evident for example the modern stadiums and a lot of ways? They're they're they're so beautiful and they're so oh you know fan friendly and yet. They're so uninteresting in terms of architecture in terms of just what you know. They don't look like the elbow. Fox that's why people I think still love. Wrigley Field Fenway So I am a filmgoer and I'm an avid film buff and it would be filled makeup and in New York at least varies from state to state or city to city. You become senior citizen at the movies at sixty two years old. Well I had just just become a senior citizen three days before I started this year year. Long Odyssey so dubbed at the a life of senior citizens who are and and it was much much more fun than better than I ever imagined it would be. I just had a great time. Neil lifer is with US noted photographer for sports illustrated. We're talking about about his book a year in sports and I recommend a recommended heartily And of course this was a shared experience with really Also made it something special because you shared this with your son. Well that that was that was a bonus that I i. I certainly didn't think of before but pretty early on it became aim evident that I had an opportunity to do something that I wish I could have done thirty years earlier. Thirty five years earlier. my son is Is a lawyer in Florida now. He lives in Boca Raton but he is an avid sports fan. He's the biggest sports fan. Even I was as a kid and and he would have loved to have gone to the events of my youth however he was seven years old when I left sports illustrated so the opportunity never came up I had never taken. They can have a football game. He's an Avid Golfer You know he'd certainly never been to the masters and in fact he actually got the masters this year. Two Thousand Five I've but the British open is well at Saint Andrews So it was a chance to sort of bring my son along as an assistant and it was kind of a father. The Sun Bonding That was just wonderful. Absolutely wonderful and it made it made the whole year. That much fun for me. I think he came along on fourteen to the events events but he got to see all the big ones he was at the Super Bowl he was at the Nastas he was at the British Open. he even got to watch Mike Tyson. Get knocked out You know and and we had a lot of fun you mentioned about comparing the original photos that you were taking at sporting events to something that you were doing when you started this book look for the full year and I think the most telling photo that I've found in the book was the coin. Toss with the Green Bay packers against the Kansas City chiefs in Super Bowl. One January Kan.. Fifteen thousand nine hundred sixty seven and then of course you covering super bowl number thirty nine between the Patriots and the Eagles and that was on February two six two thousand five and I look and and and tell everybody about the picture in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven as compared to the one in two thousand and five Ron. I'm so glad you singled out because that is there are the two great examples that was easily the best example I don't know why I did the original point to the way I did I think my mom my why interest there was that the La Coliseum for the first super bowl one that the coliseum was a third empty. And I thought it would be interesting. Who would have imagined the championship? Jeff came with empty seats and yet here was super bowl one and so I got up high in the La Commerce and expected to shoot. You know the the opening game which I did with the Sea of empty seats in the background but during the coin toss I came in a little closer with a long lens and just had only the field in the photograph but there was a fascinating thing happened. I remember thinking at the time how unusual it was even even at sixty seven. There were five people in the middle of the field. Were the two captains for the Green Bay. Packers the two captains the Kansas city chiefs and one official. The referee Aretha court tossed the coin. You've got forty yards of football field and five people that literally look like a small high school football game on important high school football. Yeah what struck me was how ratty field in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven and the logo look like. Somebody went out with a paintbrush. Well he did. I don't think anybody you know really you know. Imagine what the Super Bowl was to become a whole lot of people thought it was mistake To be playing that game the NFL title game had been played. You know two weeks before and everyone view out of the you know as as the game this this new thing called the Super Bowl Oh was Was An exhibition fast. Forward if you will now to that game between the Eagles and Super Bowl thirty nine and the New England Patriots same thing coin toss but the benefit having the benefit of course of the first picture I went back and picked exactly the same spot that use the same lens. You know so that I would have the same area field of it and I guess there are seventy five or eighty people in the middle of the field. There are at least ten co captains on each team. They must be for television. Crews there film crews from. NFL films is the the punt pass and kick mascot. Kids are out there. There's the mascot from the From one of the teams it's just a sea of people and it just shows how the game has grown. I think in a way you couldn't have couldn't have done any other way. You know what type of perspective give did doing this book. Give you on your fine career. Well you know I it just gave me a it gave me a wonderful feeling of of of nostalgia of you you know. They always say you can't go back and here. I had a chance to go back. I just I just loved every minute of it The one other thing that that happened that surprised me and really was very flattering. I mean anybody that says ego isn't is an important thing You know I was received sort of as an elder statesman and I never thought of myself I self. An elder statesman and people just seem to want to talk to me about sports photography too. Many many young photographers came and told me that I was the inspiration. Jason did they getting into this business and I was very flattered by that. Neil I want to say thank you. I love the pictures. It's going to be a selection of the month here on sports byline and I urge everyone to check it out. It's called a year in sports by noted photographer for sports illustrated. Neil Lifer Neil thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much round instead of pleasure. I gotTa tell you this is is a great book folks and if you WANNA check it out you can find it in most bookstores because there are some pictures in year that will leave you breathless. We continue on sports byline. Uh money now. One hundred is not a lender broker or agent of any lender or financial advisor. We do not make loans or credit decisions you must be eighteen years or older and a US residency qualified like this is not an offer or solicitation to Lynn. I want the money now. One hundred dot com and got the five thousand dollars I needed deposited in my account the next Business Day. You need money for any reason. Help is here gotTA money now. 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Three two over Pittsburgh CACO'S TAP in the game winter there Winnipeg shutout Colorado for nothing. The avs put this one away with three goals in the third period. Mckinnon scored twice and in the shootout it was Arizona three Saint Saint Louis to in the NBA. Indiana dribbles past. Okay see as the Pacers get their seventh win with a one eleven eighty-five decision. The thunder thunder only shot thirty six percent. It was Philadelphia by one over Cleveland. Ninety eight ninety seven and it was embiid dunk. That was the game winner there. He had a double double Miami. Amy One seventeen one zero eight better than Detroit as the heat outscored. Detroit by twelve boards and six heat players scored in double figures led by Butler with twenty points. And also the New York Knicks. Yes they lost again. Bulls beat him one. Twenty to one or two in the Knicks dropped a two and nine on the season. And that's your sports update. We love watching sports but these days. 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USA here's Ron Bar as we do each week Brian Billick joins us on sports. byline for segment. We call inside the game and he certainly knows what he's talking about when it comes to. NFL NFL football because you see him on the NFL network and he was the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens when they won Super Bowl. Thirty five beating the giants while the Monday night game. A lot of the people are calling that a classic game. How did you see it from a coaching standpoint? Yeah Classic Incense to very good football teams Obviously early and by the result of the game very evenly mass whether it was yardage whether it was the ability to run the ball Obviously difference was the field gold at the end of the game but In the same division And interestingly the home team you know in this instance lost And that's a major win. That's what makes this more substantial stansel for my money for Seattle. They were able to get that win on the road. Yeah the key to me is I viewed. It was the fact that they were able to shut down the running game. which would then you know? Set up the passing game for the forty niners but when they shut that down it really left them especially the forty niners with the injuries that they had to to wide receivers is not having a kid or not having a sanders as well. They were kind of a one armed team. Did you see it that way to Brian. Yeah I mean obviously and both not far this way both are committed to the run. Both WANNA run ball obviously at one hundred forty seven yards on a very very good San Francisco defense with surprising And that's the way it sounds for San Francisco. A lot of people have questions you know. Obviously they're coming into the game they know people wanting we'll just how good are really the forty niners ars and the question is like any team. What happens when you take that running game away? Can't Jimmy Garoppolo step up and be that guy And and and obviously he played okay but not enough obviously at home to beat the Seattle Seahawks Russell Russell Wilson. Their numbers were similar. Vote at such that both had an interception. Completion percentage of Garoppolo struggled a little bit In terms of completion percentage compared to Russell Wilson. But that's really the challenge going forward word for San Francisco is okay and you. If you have those things where you're not balance can Jimmy Garoppolo in that receiving core step up and be after to win the game. I think we're going to find out a lot more about the forty niners because it'll be a short work week before they have to take on Arizona's a team that they struggled against the last time time they played him Do you think that will see which team this is. The forty niners are how good they are With this game against Arizona well and it should be as again is ah only so good And and the fact again the fact that it's going to be A game where they're going to be At home this is a game. They ought apply very very well. The cardinals I think have under tighter. Murray Lake Show signs of being pretty good right now they appear to be an offense. That's capable of moving up and down the twenty yard line But in the red zone can't perform that's where Cisco ought to be at the strength but they're getting. The defense is strong enough that this is going to be child San Francisco. Can you get back into that. Good running program that you've worked so well and if not now Jimmy Garoppolo step up let me ask about time management. In the overtime over time period I was a little bit surprised. The forty niners had an opportunity of course When they got the ball back they only took twenty five seconds off the clock which really gave Wilson and Seattle an opportunity to move the ball down the field? I really thought what am I. Correct me if you think off base on this but I really thought that. They should've tried to eat more time off the clock so that if they didn't do anything they weren't going to give it to Seattle with Wilson having the opportunity to take him down the field but then if they got down there even if it ended up being tied that was better than having the opportunity for Seattle to get the win which they got. Yeah and that's the difficulty has been obviously excuse me getting the ball was a minute. Fifty was trying to move down the field in the same way that the Seattle is going to To get him field position to get the win and when did you have three straight incompletions that yeah that that's the problem. Obviously the running game that work. So they're going to come out and run in that situation so there again it came. Ah dropped on the shoulders of Jimmy Garoppolo and you have three straight incompletions. That's that's the foul. That's the difficult thing that if you got it throw on that situation and you can't convert verse at least of which on a third-down then yeah you're only going to twenty five seconds off the quad and and now that's that's going to be the difference in the game and you look at Seattle battle. But they were able to They were they were able to do even though they threw the ball They did have a couple of runs in there and on third down. Russell Wilson. How did he convert for their dad? He scrambled so it wasn't a completion so he was able to keep the drive alive on third down when Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't and put conviction for the field goal. I've got to ask you. How does the team? That's one in seven. Go on the road to take on a team that seven one. I'm talking about Atlanta against against the saints and win that. And not give up a touchdown to the saints. How does that happen? I understand knocking off somebody. Anybody can upset anybody but this this was a dominant beat down on the saints. It was and it was a shocker and ward of the point The fact that it was in New Orleans right. I've gone about the importance of the ability to play at home win at home and go on the road when a game. And you're right now. Let's keep in mind now. I saw Atlanta and Orleans Orleans are in the same division so they're very familiar with one another and so going into the Dome is nothing new for them and that Ryan is you know obviously a pretty darn good quarterback the fact that they ran from one hundred forty three yards and the fact that New Orleans against Atlanta defense who stopped nobody could not run ball the only ram it eleven times And and had to throw the ball forty six times so that that was probably the biggest shocker to me that New Orleans who has been an extremely balanced teams but able to run the ball. They get Alvin Camaro back and aren't able to get anything out of the running game at home on that surface in the Dome against a struggling Atlanta team. So yeah it's it's a one off where you just go okay. They just had a bad game. 'cause they've been brilliant to this point or as Atlanta truly suppose some weaknesses with New Orleans saints. Yeah the other thing and I mean you've been doing this a very long time. It's one thing to read your team. But nobody could already read that whole situation as dominating as it was and I'm just wondering whether you look at the match up if you're a saint and you look at it says you know they're having a terrible season so you think okay fell. We fell behind a little bit and then all of a sudden it begins to snowball. It also gives confidence to the Atlanta Falcons. Then all of a sudden they weren't going to get anything from the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah and Atlanta's also kind of playing with house money. Aren't they play it. Okay go ahead. Let's take some shots here. Because what are we GONNA lose another game if he wanted eight So they are going to play a little looser. They're going to play the spoiler role and like I said they're they're comfortable going into New Orleans. They've gone into northern played a lot of big games so that's not going to be as intimidating atmosphere as has it might be for some other teams. Let me ask you about the steelers. They seem to be red hot right now coming back from that slow start that division between Baltimore and Pittsburgh and you were in in that division so you know what the rivalries are like there. But what's happened with the steelers that they're playing this type of football well they're back to the fundamentals first off the played really good defense and which is which is not a surprise I'm GONNA do a bit on playbook this week where we highlight talk about when you look at the steelers and you look the way. They're they're made Defensively across the board. You're talking about Cameron Heyward on the inside you got. TJ Watch and Buddy Buddy Capri on the outside Joe Haden and trod on the back end to go with meek affects Patrick. Who's got a great pickup for them? These are all first round draft choices I did with the steelers. Were someplace else. So they are talented talented defense. The rebel run the ball and right now route office. Just you know he's he's Kinda just doing okay. I thought it was great that basically said. Hey He's steelers they look like the nineteen eighty five. There's well Mason. Rudolph was born in Nineteen Ninety five. So I don't know quite where he draws laws after run but it obviously it tells you they think a lot of their defense. What will be important about New England's next game well they just like like everybody? They've gotTA show that they can bounce back and show that all against struggling Philadelphia team but a capable Philadelphia team on the road. Doing they've gotTA show joke. No look by Baltimore Ready. Well we went into a bus on Baltimore that they've gotTa sure that they can come back and D- because they're in a struggle now they desperately have have to get home field advantage the playoffs. They've seen what it is to have to go into Baltimore. They know how Houston and Kansas City can be which are likely the other a top seeds when when it comes to the divisions so they desperately need to make follow those teams go through Foxborough and and so they've got to hold those teams off on the road against the NFC Like the New Philadelphia. Eagles tell us a little bit in about ninety seconds or sixty seconds. Tell us a little bit about how you see this weekend on the schedule in the NFL. Well Thursday night. steelers got like you talked about. Can they keep us up. Cleveland look pretty good coming back and indeed could Baker Mayfield put this together and beat their nemesis in the best game. No Question Question Houston and Baltimore these two with obviously Lamar Jackson spends absolutely spectacular. When you look at the numbers he's been able to put together? And and and Sean Jackson these are the two of the best young quarterbacks Lamar Jackson spent spectacular. You look in his starting first fourteen days. He's run for more yards than Ladainian again. Tomlinson did it his fourteen games. He's completed more passes the group Tom Brady dead in his first fourteen games. He has a higher completion percentage managed drew brees in his four first fourteen games so obviously this is spectacular. This is GONNA be a tremendous game Kansas City obviously with a very very much a surprise loss. Okay thanks a lot Brian. Good insights on your part. We'll talk to you next week again. Brian Billick we call this segment inside the game. You See Brian Ryan of course and check him out on the NFL network. He was the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens when they won Super Bowl number thirty five. That's against the giants. I liked what he said about that. Game between the the forty niners and the seahawks. We've got on sports byline. Are you an active stock. Market investor. Will then you know these three key. Words words by cell whole those. Three magic words can make or lose money in the stock market. 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That's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one eight eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one call now. This is America's sports talk show Sports Sports Byline USA. Here's Ron Quinn joins us on sports. byline he has written a book. What can I want everybody to check it out? It's one of the best books I've ever read and look through about. What is the face of sports? What is sports like today how it got to where it is today? Because he's a lawyer who spearheaded free agency for every pro sports league including MLB NHL NFL NBA and the New York. Times said of Jim that he was instrumental in helping. Change the face of major professional sports and in his book. Don't be afraid to win. How free agency change the business of pro? Oh sports it's a fascinating look inside the tents meetings between owners players unions that explains free agency. And why it matters and Quinn shows the the steps it took to make deals that satisfied everybody. You know I when I look at at your reputation you're one of the most accomplished trial arbitration and a mediation lawyers in US history. And I think about sports and the The jungle that it was in the early days and that it continues to be the gym. Just shake your head and say how the hell did I get here. That's exactly where I was young. Ah in in your. I was lucky enough to have someone saying you know this. This is basketball case. Maybe you WanNa work on that. And of course turned out to be the Oscar Robertson case the first big litigation in sports other than Kirk. Blood and I got involved and you know knock on wood. Got To work with guys like Larry Fleisher and Marvin Miller and eventually done here. And of course gene upshaw in football and you know I still shake my head and say the heck they get involved in all that but it was fun and I think we accomplish something I think we when I look back on it and then you look at two thousand nineteen and where professional sports is today with forty. Five billion dollars. Even franchises work well over two hundred billion dollars and players making a quick quick as now if they are wage. I think I think I think we've seen okay. Let's talk about perspective. Take us back to those early days when you got involved with sports. What was the landscape like across sports? That's a great great question in the fifties and sixties and going back at that point you know players were tied to their teams. That was a reserve system force players to stay with their teams. It couldn't negotiate with other teams even after their contracts are up and you know uh happenstance because the then American basketball football Were trying emerged with the NBA. In order to cut off competition between the two weeks Oscar Robertson and Bill Bradley and John Havlicek and some other star our players at the time said you know we need to fight this and we file a lawsuit. I was lucky enough to get involved in that as young water. He stopped them injuring during at the same time. Attack the reserve clause and ultimately after some helpful decisions by judges Some the settlement that became known as the Oscar Robertson settlement which was really the first free agency you know cracking the Iron Wall and shortly after that AH baseball. Marlin Miller continued to fight even after the her case Got There and and the rest is Kinda history another reflection of that particular time and I know you know the story but I'll I'll repeat it here for those listening to us and that is was the player that walked into the office of Vince. Lombardia unhappy with negotiations. Who's going to you? Know he wanted eight thousand dollars a season and he was gonNA was being offered six thousand and he made some some comments to Vince. and Vince said you know come back in two minutes and he came back he says. Don't talk to me go talk to Detroit. I've traded you that that on that is how was Wherever you know Lenny Wilkins and then Paul Solid? We were both at that time. had been drafted by at the Saint. Louis Hawks back in the early sixties and Both of them after having wonderful first years we're told by the then owner. Oh the Saint Louis That they were going to have to have their their pay cut from six thousand dollars to five thousand dollars. Because does he just didn't have enough money. It's just a different world. Yeah it really really is and and Jim when you take a look at sports. What are the the dynamics that you found you got into sports? That is different from the real world. Well I mean obviously one of the things that that really fuels. The changes in sports the distance of the fights creation The the Television revenue began to pour in in the seventies eighties and As a result there was a there began. Vivian huge pool of money. That people are going to fight over I mean obviously fleet unlike other professions You're dealing with Monopolies I believe in all four of the major sports are in any other competition so That makes the negotiations or from the Union perspective. That much more difficult and you have to. You have to be tough. That doesn't come down to anything more complicated than that. And we had a lot of tough negotiations we got some litigation There were some heroes and goats on both sides Mostly on the owners side but they weren't a few people on the underside I did work. turned out to the Spartan. Decent figured out how you had Get this stuff done. I you know David Sern turn for example. We had a place in check for thirty years with all great respect. He was genius and He managed to take the NBA from almost going bankrupt to where it is today. I do know the fact that in the negotiations appreciate anytime. You're dealing with rich people and people that have a profound a wealth that there is an ego involved in it and I think I've found my years in sports that it's larger than most situations in sports and I'm just wondering how you got around that how you dealt with that because in that circumstance MHM stance eddy. debartolo is a dear friend of mine and so I got to know him fairly well and and everything so everybody has to come out with something. What did you do from a negotiating? She aiding standpoint that allowed to walk away from the table feeling okay. It's fair on both sides. That's great question. You're part of it is you it. It's a mixed bag you had to be on the one hand charming and I. I tried to be as charming as good as I was. Just the pockets. The owners I I knew Eddie I took his deposition. He's a fellow Notre Dame graduate And so I got a lot of respect corn Guy and And really among the NFL owners wanted to the more rational and Decent guys there are other other people on the NFL side over the years where a lot more difficult although I must give a tactical praise for recognizing nizing that at some point you had to do with the With players that was gonNA expire and of course we had to put a gun to their head and have a four month trial. Minneapolis back in the ninety s To to win free agency but once we did we ultimately were able to think easily fair deal. We only have two minutes before we have to break but how did Bill Bradley. How was he instrumental in the NBA? Achieving Agency. Well he was. I mean He's playing in in the Oscar Robertson case And Bill I think probably what kind of presaging the fact that some day he was going to be a senator and and run for the presidency He was a key part of The Not just the litigation but also we went to Congress to block the merger and bill was the leader in that testifying through the Senate Judiciary Committee. One of the ironies was that this was going on in the early seventies at the same time. That Watergate Hearings are going on and it was a Senate the same very same senator. Sirven the head of the Judiciary Trust Committee eighty and it was key in blocking the merger ultimately leading to free agency in in basketball. We only have a minute before we have to break in I'd like to hear the worst Supreme Court decision in pro sports history. You write about it in the book gotTa Be Curt Flood Let's see here. Here's a guy who was a hero absolutely willing to sacrifice of superstorm. He sacrifices career because he didn't he was a Saint Louis and there's a free agent and we didn't want to be forced to go to Philadelphia bought losses lawsuit when all the way up to the Supreme Court and they will begin some saying that the things baseball was not in interstate commerce which was absurd and as I say in the book probably worst decision in the Supreme Court with the possible exception of the dread Scott case. Jim Quinn is with US John. I again you to check out this book. It's a wonderful read and it'll really give you some insight and feel for the life of sports and also what goes on behind the scenes it's called don't be afraid to win. 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Jim That is very telling about the world you were working and living in well you know. I guess there's really a couple of one off seek signing before I and I give a lot of credit gene upshaw for this We were forcing a late eighties and early nineties to really go go to the map with the national football league trying to get a free agency and and Jean had to have the guts to Actually determine that the only way would you do. This was to disband the Union and he was the head of the Union and so we like they called decertified the union and so the sue the NFL for Free Agency and spent the next two and a half years fighting with the NFL and finally had trial for how in Minneapolis in front of turned out an all female woman jury. I love every one of those women today. uh four and a half forty and a half months fighting against the NFL's barrage of law firms and I'm gene stuck with us all the way. In fact the very he's in the title of the book is don't be afraid to win is because when I was getting finally to argue the final argument in front of the jury Up Show means leaned over to me and putting his hand on my shoulder with a deep baritone voice and said Quinn. Don't be afraid to win. And that was it was a special moment and so that was one of the one of the Times. I can't I can't forget I still live with it every day. One one of the things you talk about. This is the first sports agent how they were born. And I'm assuming that's Larry Fleisher and you tell the story about him Tell tell everybody about that. Sure I mean you know back in the sixties I was must no such thing as a sports agent then and you know Ron knows. This is from one of the great sports agents themselves up. Well back in the sixties wasn't such a thing it turns out When Bill Bradley Cancun talk in the road scholar in the mid sixties. Having been you know probably the Best College Athlete Basketball Player Princeton during that period he He asked of somebody that he met. Marty Glickman those two may remember also one center weather. Kathleen came one of the great announcers in In sports in New York he has marquis And is there somebody who could help me with my contract with the New York Knicks and Marty Glickman said well does this guy was running the basketball players. Union Larry Fleisher knows a bit about this stuff and So Bradley when hired Fleisher Fleisher negotiated the deal with the Knicks. They Bill Bradley the highest fake rookie in the history of the NBA. Also the highest paid player on the next even the rookie and within a matter of months all around the league other players and said Hey this guy once what's no he's doing and certainly tailored flash became an agent for most of the superstars in the NBA. Back in the sixties and Seventies. One of the things you talk about about an I happen to agree with you. I think it was probably one of the biggest Events that affected Professional Sports and that was the development of cable television. You talk about the a pot of gold there. How important was that when you take a look back? Now of to wear sports are today. How important was that cable television coming into to play? Yeah it was used because Help but to had back in the sixties and early seventies just. He's he's the national contracts which for example in baseball you might something called the game of the week. It was one game on Saturday. It's all people could see And so as cable television developed each of the different teams. I starting in baseball. But then after that impassable and hockey people were able to see not just one game of the week they actually could watch television allegation could see most home. Games are Their you know their favorite team in New York. The Knicks The Rangers or Obviously the Yankees and the mets so it totally changed the face of sports and it increase the amount of income that was coming into Professional Sports and the leagues. Obviously that incentivize place fight harder or free agency so they get a fair share that pot another chapter here that I think readers will find fascinating and and I'll just give everybody the title of trump's three dollar league. I know what it is but you tell them well. It's not so surprising. Listen given where we are but USFL was a rival league that was started in the early nineteen eighty And it actually. I started to play in the spring while the NFL obviously was playing in the fall and the the owners of the USSL. Some pretty wealthy guys They went out. They hired some some top talent Herschel Walker among others others and they And they were doing pretty well. In the spring and suddenly Donald Trump came along and all the teams James and became the New Jersey generals and he kept pressing the Other owners to moves to the fall so that they could pressure the NFL into into allowing them to New Vision and the whole saying was absurd the NFL fight on it correctly and one has a result. USFL which had it stayed in the spring. I truly believe lever on with the In existence today had to fold and We chapter the chapter. That I've I have named is Trump's three hour because when a brought a lawsuit against the NFL They ended up telling me dollar verdict because it was navy trust. Casey got travel to three dollars. And that's all they got and two weeks later the USFL. Thank you trump. I also think that we're at a different time as far as ownership in sports particularly in the NFL. I remember one time when the Kansas City chiefs are playing the forty niners here. I went down on the field and I found Lamar Hunt now. I had never met him in person but we had talked on the phone because he listed his is telephone number in the phone book Dallas Texas and he was always out in the parking lot talking to the fans and everything he was beloved no doubt about it and he took me over to his wife and said Dear. This is the young man that I talked to late at night. And what A. That's it's a lead into saying that. Lamar Hunt Wellington Mara and others of that Ilk It's different today. What do you see as the difference between ownership and sports than what we saw? Both of US saw years and years ago. Yeah that's a great question You know I I actually represented Lamar It it's almost against the NFL bobbing North Martin. Cycling got to know him well. Wonderful man and soon the Gauchet Shins over time I'm got to know what we can and And Dan Mooney the nicest people you ever front me and even though we fought like crazy we have an enormous respect for each other It's just a different world it's it. These are folks that that grew up with these franchises. Where they were you know worth Artha dollar ninety eight? And now that was three billion dollars And the You know it's it's the corporate mentality L. D.. Today that only focuses on how. How can we generate more revenue and Thank God that we have a union that this can make sure they can fight for the health and safety players as you know it's a tough game and And there have been a lot of issues question about issues relating to the CPT like It's a it's a great game. It's a tough game And the NFL Players Association. That's GonNa have to hang really tough to play against a lot of very difficult people. I know Paul Tagliabue's was the commissioner at a friend that worked in the League office and we had a conversation one day and he said Ron. You don't know the number of calls to come in every day saying I need more revenue need more revenue. And it's gotta come from someplace but my worry now is when you take a look at these stadiums that are being built for one point three two billion dollars. They've got to find the money for that but the person that is going to be hurt is if you take a look The Golden State State Warriors have a new one point three billion dollar facility and the prices for the seat licenses and for the seats themselves. It doesn't reflect the love of sports. I don't believe Jim I wrong. And my perspective now look at it. It's a problem that let's exists. We obviously It's difficult for a lot of fans to be able to afford to go to kick your game. I mean thank God most of the Games now virtually all on television. You got wide screens. Kikwit can still enjoy. Oy watching their team But certainly the the the you know in in stadium experience is beginning. Ah becoming that much more difficult Particularly in in basketball and hockey was GONNA have Forty I'm forty two home games and the tickets are very expensive but what you do now and it was based on and now starting in Basketball I won't hockey or get the money to buy smaller packages so that you don't have to buy season tickets that are you know can can run anywhere from the counselor. Was We have about three minutes left. And I'D BE AMISS IF I didn't ask you to take a look at the effect that gambling might have on professional sports because it's going to be a revenue stream for a lot of people but primarily for the leagues themselves. And they're talking about in in game gambling In basketball game gambling who will shoot the next three-pointer and everything any concerns there. Jim You all. I have to remember that had gambling in Vegas on the last six years. Yeah yeah but that was controlled. It would say I. I haven't since look it's going to be up to the leagues to be now that much more. They'll just recently and making sure that there aren't going to be any issues but there's there's so much money involved players particularly with more worried Loyd got referees. Frankly the players are making so much money some gambler to say. I'm GONNA give you a ten thousand dollars. Fifty thousand dollars extra why these players are making too much money for that and ruin their careers. So I don't have A. I don't have a worry that at that level but surely you know ah now the the the reason bracing this. They're going to have to make sure they car Vigil overseeing could make. I'm sure there aren't any problems. We have a minute left and I always like to ask my guests If you look back across your career what is that one moment. That's kind of engraved in your mind that you'll never forget how about you Jim. You know it's interesting you know I mentioned the case but I would say on. This sounds a walk. I guess but two of my closest friends and all sports or larynx like in basketball and gene upshaw in In football in both of them died and early death and unexpectedly and I just remember those days because I was disclosed with both of them those days when that happened it was it was tough for a lot of people to deal with the loss of two great union leaders interest in about twenty seconds when he want people to take away from the book. Kim You know I think just the idea that the players and And they're there's leaders both on the players side union side willing to sacrifice to make sure that they They were treated fairly early. But but also that the fight many games that much better and that's why today and you have this exclusionary fan interest in all of the sports and a lot of it has to do with the fight free agency Jim Quinn with us this segment on Sports Byline USA again. I urge you to check out the book. Don't be afraid to win. 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JEETER's rise is playing style is best moments on and off the field and and also his place in Yankee history and the man that introduces it. Is The national writer for the newspaper. Tyler Kanter tell me a little bit about putting this book together. It's a beautiful beautiful beautiful book with some Nice Stories and also some beautiful pictures as well. Tell me about a tyler. Yeah well thanks a lot of fun really You know we. We went through all of the Pretty much every article that had any anything to do with Derek. You're going back to the first time we mentioned before that ninety two drafts and little notebook item by I check every You know we went through columns and features and stand out games and and it was. It was fun. You know getting a chance to go through that and then and select you know the very best stories that we've done About him you know when you think of some of the times writers Dave Anderson and foster only George which betsy You know we've had a lot of feel good writers talking about a writing about a great player plus the photo. It was a real fun experience. Kinda opening up the ball and and the and everything that we've had they about their talent when you take a look at him both as a person and also as a Yankee baseball player having a chance to reflect a over his long career. Did you come up with a picture. That might have been different than if you looked at it and say seasons or just a pieces. Yeah you you know. And that's kind of how we tried to arrange it. We didn't want to just do season by season or chronological you know we. We thought it would be best to kind of frame it around Concepts of sort of ideas ideas about cheater. You know like the man in that community or or post-season heroics or his his rise You know through the through the relationship with teams. We have a heading on that so we we try to take a lot of different topics and sunset stories Within each topic because he is really one of those guys who appreciate more the The body of work. Maybe the individual doubted. That didn't go into it. Having said that one in its totality. What type of picture do we get up Derrick jeeter then I'd like to thank you come away with A really well rounded picture of them and when I tried to convey in the introduction is is that he's really a guy somehow he's able to do it In as when you know there's more information Faster about every athlete you can think of. And he's managed to really never never let his fans down Now he's had some down years past year was not as best Worse really but You know in in the way he plays at the game and in the In the way he comported himself he's He's never let you down in terms of you know you can always tell your kid this guy you you wanna play like Someone you never have to worry about Getting in trouble e- easy knows right from wrong and knows the at a conduct themselves the right way on the big date and Set for that. You know it's interesting as I think about him and I looked through this book and I read some of the things about him he really does fall into place with the other Yankee greats now. I know that there was a different side to babe ruth a different side to Mickey Mantle. But you had Joe Dimaggio and you have Derek jeter and you have others like them. I mean he is the perfect type of Yankee he he really fulfils that icon nature. Does he not. Yeah yeah definitely I think Dimaggio it might be a good comparison Dimaggio was The the the marriage to Maryland row. And everything you know he he would he each kinda supplier starlet around town. And have this kind of iconic status in a little bit of mystery to You Know Derrick definitely you know all commands a certain amount of respect but I think the difference from my read about Dimaggio th. There's more personable than if I don't think Derek goes out of his way to create a An Arab history. He doesn't there's some things he doesn't want to Talk about his private life. He doesn't stuff that sort of thing he let's go around with yet and he maintained that easy sort of relationship with the guys who covered every day but You know there is I think he leaves a little more That a lot of athletes and I think that create the kind of The algae if you will probably not a right word but certainly an iconic status about him because we don't know everything there is no about his Personally if you keep to themselves and what we do know You know is is is largely applauded. Can they all these beautiful famous women and and he can you know do all these charitable things. Thank you know wherever we see him at public. Never embarrassing so I really think. He's the personification of the Sinatra Song. If you could do it here you can do it anywhere. And and I think that probably fits him. And if you think about it That that disarming smile he has he's also been very congenial with the media as well and I think thinks his greatest asset and talent. And if you think I'm wrong about this tyler correct me is that he has been able to exist comfortably in New York City. Yeah definitely absolutely and and you know. There's no more approachable superstar than cheater and that's saying something Because I think anybody have seen it anybody you can go up to them with with a question from from any publication radio station or TV anywhere and and he treats everybody with With respect he never nears. You Never Act put off by it. he considers it part of a responsibility to interact Gracefully with the media media. He doesn't he doesn't feel responsibility to give every last detail or You know let you try. But he he he he lets the I you oh you make sure everybody's ass all their questions and he's pretty much available every day I think That certainly helps us to our job. And and the benefit for him is that you know his employer the Yankees get a great spokesperson so they never have to worry about that. Sort of the pitch man for their brand and it helps him L. This brand to his personal. What brand I mean? He's got endorsements me steps such a great public image. A lot of that is just perfect guy. Have you found in looking through the five thousand different news news articles about him and just being in New York City and around him as well how he's been able to do something that I think Michael Jordan and the truly great athletes are able to do and that is departmentalized departmentalize their time. I mean it's one thing you gotTa have talent. There's no doubt about it in sports. He has that but he also is the capital of the Yankees. That's a responsibility ability as well. There's a media responsibility as well. How is he able to departmental is everything and make it all? Come off flawlessly. I think I think you hit on it. That's a really huge Part of what makes them great. It's he he's able to compartmentalize and symbolize they. Simplify things where he can say. Ah You know this is what I'm doing now and I'm going to complete this task onto the next thing you know. He's you know he's never in our in his the media he he never you know he'd be watching doc and let's see how to get something I mean he he never he never seems to get weary of it. You know or make you feel like oh come on guys just one more question. I mean you know. That's when he's go with us and then they'll they'll do the other thing very diligent about his work Very organized and I think I think a lot of that comes from his upbringing. He has his parents who very Close to him and remain close to him and they were educators and they valued They they made him signed a parent child contract You've been treating people with respect and not with drugs and all that stuff and so I think he learned from an early age Respect for authority and And how to manage your talk of very very important thing obviously at anyone to work. Yeah that's the thing I've come away with him is that his parents made him a well rounded person not just a well rounded athlete. We going through all the stories and putting this book together. Is there one particular story about him or something. A fact about him than either surprised you or you kind of smile about when you think about L. Derrick jeeter. Yeah I mean the story I just remember in particular story I made sure got in there. That buster only now and and Preceded me on the Yankee Fan. He he he wrote about him after the two thousand one Play Oakland or the Yankees are down to. Oh and you made it flip into play. Where he to Saint Spencer made appropriate deal over three? Two guys somehow jeeter flew out of nowhere like Superman and then made the backhanded handed flipped to catch Jeremy. GIAMBI play really saved that series and that season for the Yankees and buster just wrote a story about how how we even from the research respective fans and how we see things we wonder. How did he do it? And and Derek easy thing to do just what he does and it's not gonNA come actually that down as the work that he does but it was it was. It was a story that really I thought captured. How fans look at him have you thanks On a different level. Oh you know where he just he he he's a name opposing pitcher and he just goes out and and and stress too much about basement. Guy Complicate things too much and I think that sticker story has been somewhere in the middle of the book. But you know I think that more than anything probably a tip the heart of how we knew him in an alley. W W tyler. Congratulations on the book. I think it's just a beautiful book. I'm going to urge people to check it out. Thank you for joining us on Sports. byline okay well. Thanks a lot for the time tyler. Capterra he is the National Baseball writer for the New York Times. And this is a beautiful book with some great pictures in an. I know you're going to enjoy the stories as well. 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