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Kemba Walker Celtics Trade Ideas

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Kemba Walker Celtics Trade Ideas

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But first off, guys, I missed you. It's been a week. But I mean, is that weird thing that I know, I can tell you that was genuine. You needed the break. We're getting exhausted. I miss the idea or refresh the idea of you, but now that I'm seeing you Mom. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm in the, the commenters. Yeah. Yeah, I go about you all except for you. That's what that means that's for you. Okay, yeah, that's cool. That's cool. What's good wage is we'll just set the table with a few things and then we're just going to roll the ball out there. We're going to play. We're going to do what we do. We're going to do locker room again afterwards and you know, we'll get everybody in there and they can give their their spicy takes. But since we last left, you Brooklyn beat the tar. Out of Milwaukee was making us think maybe the Bruins were likely. We're lucky Bruins. Maybe they did something accomplished something by getting a game off the phone as mine Bruins, got eliminated Reston. Some people going still on your mind yet. I know. And apparently Kemba Walker also doesn't want to be here and I guess that's where we're going to start. Oh, Kevin Durant. I want to talk about that at some point. Kevin Durant. Get Jayson Tatum's. Name out of your mouth. Okay, I don't want to hear it off. Right? I hear ya sees the plan. We don't we don't need that. We don't know. You know, the scenes of Planet. Oh absolutely. Don't want to hear it off then, under the Blake Griffin. Yeah, so the story around Kemba both Kemba and Celtics want to part ways apparently that it's been no secret. The Celtics have been talking about trying to move on from Camp. What's the number one story of the offseason after the Danny Ainge Brad situation. Which again, I have some more developing opinions about that. So we're going to get into that and the coaching staff video. So I have to get my Jimmy hasn't had his take too. But you know, as time has gone on, I like it less and less, and less and less and even Bobby. Wait till you hear what Bobby is off? Well, you know what, you know things were, you know, we needed a break when Bobby and I started agreeing and that's what exactly. Yeah, the camera thing. Okay. So wage Out there. The story was and again, I don't know, what do we trust it? Or not came out of LA Clippers reporter. Kemba was also kind of annoyed. There's other stories, Point Bleacher Report, there's other stores, I think, man explained on NBC Boston and said that Ainge has rubbed. Some people the wrong way you know this perception around the league that he's not good, the players. It kind of keeps people from wanting to come here often. I don't know how much we want to say. So she right I'll roll the ball out there with you. Like I don't know whether the campus stuff is real or not but your first take hearing the canvas stuff and whether it's plausible that off, this is an issue with the Celtics that people like are worried. That Danny is going to do not going to do them is going to do them dirty. And obviously not anymore is not here, but whether that was a thing. Well let me start with the game. I mean the canvas stuff just in the folks that I've spoken to about that. They, they want to draw this distinction between Kimba. The story out there is Kimble wants to be traded when they say Kim would just wants to be somewhere where he's wanted and there is a difference between the two things in Boston. If they're trying to trade your ass off, you don't have, they don't have to say they don't want you. The fact that they're trying to trade your says that they're looking to move on without you and Kimball from what I understand he wants to just be somewhere where he's wanted Dead felt that's why Boston came strong, you know, when he was signed with anyone after his leaving Charlotte. But obviously, his injuries have complicated things a bit because When you look at, when Kimber does play, and he's healthy, he's pretty damn good. And he's your what quasi number two? Number three, option you have in Jaylen Brown. I think you can just flip flop, the most, any day of the week off. The Celtics team, as far as their place in a pecking order, Kevin wants to be where he's wanting and I can't blame him for that. I mean is that the team is shopping your ass? They're looking for move on without you and why should you fight that issue if they don't want you around? So if I'm Kimber, I wouldn't want to be in Boston if they're trying to shop. Me, I'm just simply playing along with the game that they're playing. Well, yeah, no one wants to be a burden, a, you know, at the end of the day, sorry, it's got you out. Bobby just don't want to get that in one was to be a burden and and obviously, when he came here was under completely different circumstances and if your cable walk, you gotta feel for them as well. I mean you you see Taylor's contract going to come in. You see Jalen's going to come in and obviously, you see what happened and he couldn't finish that first-round matchup. We were regardless of what happened. That was disappointing because he, he showed a lot of Hope in a lot of Promise through Thursday. That I don't know what for six weeks and when he was averaging, you know, over 30 points, you know, obviously not playing the second night of back-to-backs. But a lot of those games, you know, the throughout that point in the schedule, they weren't a whole lot of back-to-backs. But I mean, either way? Yeah, if you're Kemba, I mean, you're not going to beg the franchise. Think, hey, can you please? Let me stay please. I'll show you that. I you know, I can prove myself on the court know. I mean you're going to take that personally and obviously you're going to see that you know if the team think that the better off without you the Willies think you will just so be it. You know. Maybe I could prove myself elsewhere and show another franchise. I still have something left that he just got home and Bobby, I'm sorry, but this guy was loyal to Charlotte would have one of the stay there. They, they didn't come to the table. So he was like, all right, Boston is the place. I want to play the next four years. And in less than a year off to be told, we're going to send you somewhere else. Like that's a, that is a bit of a breach of trust, right? Come here. We love you. This is the best place to be Boston. Boston, Boston we you know, two years off In a year doing somebody dirty like that is pretty bad. Is it doing some wonder? I mean they locked him in at 37 million years, did not feel that way, but when you think about it from a player perspective, you've been one place your entire life, you go somewhere and be like, okay, I will take my career, my life, my family, my everything to, Boston, you've sold me on Boston and a year later, you're like, who wants? I'll literally trade him anywhere. If you'll take the salary off my hands, it's like I didn't want to go to San Antonio. I didn't want to go to friggin here, like, I don't want to go to Orlando. I could have signed there. I had a choice. I had choices. You make shows you, I chose you. Right? I could have played anywhere. I was a free agent. This sucks, you know, when you get it gets a player option and they, you know what? The Celtics wanted Walker not a player option. Well, if he really doesn't like where he ends up, he can, he has that power here and ability. And that's another thing too long. You know, he signed a four-year deal for to become one of the highest-paid players in the league at that point, if you're not producing at the level of that, that contract warrants home, it's more than fair to move on from a guy particularly when he has injuries and they had real concerns about them. Frankly we all owe you an apology cam. John like you were Vindicated here. He fell apart at the worst possible time in the playoffs on. Hold on. Hold on. Look what you did. Look what you're nice. No Graphics. See you go, then buddy. You're the boss. He just went to a package. He hasn't gone into his so long in production. Yeah, that was like, it's worth it. I mean, for the force package, oh, it was not warranted. Even got that up, you know, he's using the wipes. He's clean. Nothing has been, that's how long it's been since we used this thing. All right, so long. The point John made all along was a he was going to hold though cuz something could always be working around the corner and it was and it came up, come playoff time when they needed him when they were able to pull off a win there, he wasn't available. So now three more years starting with the beginning of this video was going to be predicated on his availability and they can't deal with that anymore. They just can't. Thank ya. Very loving it. He loves it. Yeah. But I again Bobbie and you know, we all know this, the challenge would Kimba isn't so much that you want both of them. It's how are you going to move him? Because the very reason why you don't want him necessarily on your roster? Yeah. Well, you better than your bills going to be looking at you like and you wanted us to take him on because of what again. So it's going to be hard for them to move him and get something of. I'm not even looking for comparable value. If you do move him, Are you going to get something that has value at all? I mean, for example, one thing that I a couple of folks were kind of tossing about in again. I don't like the idea. I don't like to deal, but what if she felt it for presents? Would you make a trade involving came before presents? So that is the most likely. That is the most likely trade but an injured. Basically, injured player. Am injured player sent with that? Yeah, I feel like, I feel like we shortchange that four-way apology, but that's fine. I did it. I mean, it's marked down pretty much. Pretty much said you were right. John, but when you were, when you were younger. Mm. So once I got Bob, Bob is going to clean your dishes tonight after the show to prove, no fewer than five different trade options. We Are Young. Talk about them. Each one. I want to hear your thoughts on whether you do though. Bobby has been Bobby. This is like me and, like NFL fantasy football, mock draft season where I do like seventy-five thousand marks off. Bobby has done the trade machine literally non-stop. Like I said, John, I sent John, eleven trades. One was the going Bobby cuz one of them out there is, you know, is outdated off a couple of weird trade machines out there. Yeah, it gets tricky cuz you could can't go in the offseason mode but there's a lot of sure you say. It's going to be tough to move them. There's a lot of options out there. Not all of them are easy to swallow, but there are other options. So, we will get into those but I don't want to get into them yet. Jimmy, you had something on your mind, you wanted to get off your John John, says TV box. Something on this show before it ends so I have a few issues. I have a few issues with this camera report this so don't don't talk. Don't talk about the first round match up, man. Don't we moved on? Yeah, I'm not going to get into. Yep. A while been a while. But what I will say is I'm not completely sold on this report, it is a report. It's been refuted already by like want to come A Walk of Fame members. I'm not putting too much stock, you know, whatever. Yeah, whatever. But it's like here's my issue. If you're Kemba Walker and you were a little perturbed by the rumors that we're going around this offseason. First of all, I don't know how much he's really fault. Some of those rumors that you're hearing, I mean, it wasn't like accidents. I mean, it was, it was, it was like some rumor, Leo, like Jeanne, just shopping, Kemba Walker told, literally anybody who will pick up the phone, it's like, okay. Is that really truthful? I don't know. The other thing is, they treated em exactly the way they say they're going to treat them. They, they stuck true to their word. They did everything they could to get this guy in the court. They put him in position to succeed. They gave me the rest of the day. He was, he seemed like, you know, the happy-go-lucky Kemba Walker that we've, that we've come to know here in Boston and thirdly, here's my biggest issue. If you're coming Walker. You have an issue with Danny Ainge, right? You don't really have an issue with your teammates or Brad Stevens. It wasn't like they were trying to trade you. So now we'll send a teenager's out of the picture for all intents and purposes. He might still poked his head in and change the office here and there, but the loop look at the bosses though but he's no longer the GM. If you're Kemba Walker why are you now? Allegedly demanding a trade when you're staring at home, supposedly to the top 20 players in the NBA to the youngest great Duos in the NBA, you're on a team that could potentially, you know, go somewhere if the right pieces are put around them, you have a full offseason ahead of you. They maybe you can get the right rest and relaxation that you need going into next season is going to be less back-to-backs. You might be the player that you might look like more like the player in year one here in Boston and you're too. So what is he demanding? A trade to go? He wants to leave, but I don't think he is. I don't, I don't, I don't think I don't think is the meaning of trade. You know why? Because why would you demand what? You know they already dead. Do. Yeah. I mean it's like I mean it's it's like, you know someone says, Hey I want I'm breaking up with you. I'm breaking up at new right. That's exactly what I want to know. Okay, yeah, that's why saraga that you might end up. Just want to say salty doesn't want to stay salty, man. Hey man, come look at a chemist Iraq. That sure that's what's wrong part. Is this guy's and again this is the thing is like it's so easy to refute these things cuz what happens somebody close to Kemba says Kemba was pissed about this shit. Alter the report he was salty and he also would have liked him run because he doesn't want to be somewhere. He's not appreciated and I easily be true. I don't care about who refuted it cuz somebody goes to somebody on the sending unit wage. I remember Kevin Durant. Kyrie Irving, refuted the fact that they were trying to come together and play together and how that turned out. Yeah. They're you know what I don't want you. Bigger you go, run something source. And the Celtics guy says, I don't think that's true and you're like refuted, see, and then everybody believes what they want to believe on Twitter. So everyone who doesn't want to believe. That Campbell was unhappy, will say, see someone's already said, it's not true, but the reality is Kemba. Probably didn't love it. He knew he wanted to get traded, he felt shity about it and that's that. So that's why a lot of faith in his demanding a trade either. I mean, a lot of factors. Exactly. I don't think he's demanding. It's right from getting traded from the Celtics, over the years and many of them find them reason would play back here again. And I mean, Isaiah Talent. Is a good example. I mean, Evan Turner guy. I mean, there's players that are either leave in free agency which means the Celtics didn't want them enough to re-sign them or they could trade it and that's that's business. Now, no, not poison rumors. Yeah, the point that you made Jimmy early, I think is an important one, and that was the point. That's pretty healthy. Did you go the point that you made about just Kimber and his relationship with his teammates? I don't think that can be real purchase. Undervalued and how important that is, because worst case scenario and all this is that Kim was back in Boston. And if that's the worst case scenario, he's playing with guys that he genuinely likes to play with guys and he took a better understanding of what they can do, and what they can't do and things like that. So, for Kimbo again, the whole idea of him demanding, a trade, it to me, it's just silly of, I'm not going to, I'm not going to ask you to do something that they want to do. And it's really bad for the Celtics, think, again, with everything we've talked about the last two or three weeks in terms of their perception, if this really is him behind closed doors and through other people getting word out about his frustration with the organization. I mean, we're now talking about the three biggest free-agent. Yeah, Celtic fish. It's going to say pushing their way out, but it's not possible to also get all whether you want to say. What does that say about about like Tatum and brown? Like there's anybody want to play with these two? I mean if Kemba Walker generally doesn't want to play her in bed. Are mango Jimmy's there's a lot of stars that are all of a sudden out the door when they're staring at two of allegedly the you know best young players in the NBA. I mean typically veterans. Want to play with those types of players wage but you know everyone's leaving right? But the one thing that's that's different and unique about this Jimmy. Is that Tatum and brown? I think we all agree. They're, they're the centerpiece, they're the core but perhaps team has yet. This really be built around those two guys. It's like those guys that have left. They were supposed to be paid him in brown. You know when you got Gordon Hayward, when you're out of Kyrie Irving when you added Al Horford, they're supposed to be your nucleus. And these two young fellows are basically said know what kind of the nucleus the Celtics beginning this year. Have to start seriously building around these young guys, and make sure they keep them in the loop on that building. Don't just make decisions and then have Tatum and brown. Find out about that shit on Twitter. That's not how this works. They've earned the right to be in those conversations now. They earned a right to make those decisions and influence those decisions. Know what should they be informed about them? Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, that's the part that I think is going to be interesting move for. I mean, how, how much I put two guys like, Tatum and brown have on those on these kind of boots. And if you're Campbell, you're wondering the same thing. I mean, it's like, hey, the writing's on the wall. But at the same time, she has anyone even texted me about next season? You know, I mean, I mean, not to say that. I know that, that means a whole lot, but or they have had that kind of relationship. But, you know, you have to wonder how how in is Kemba on these kind of conversations when obviously training him is a, it's a top option or a top priority wage organization. Right now, this is also use. This is a decision, you know, that's the biggest part, Jimmy right now, who's making this decision off this, you know, the direction of the franchise. So, who is making this decision GM? They don't have a coach. They don't have veterans stars that want to play here. Their pets, heads are falling off. And if if, if angels going to be the Fall Guy, why not let him make this one last really tough decision here. Have him take the fall for her and then head out the door. I think he's already taken. These aren't taking a sworn off and it wouldn't work. You want Danny to do? I mean, now, you know if that's the bread, right? I mean, you gotta believe that that Danny is still going to be involved in some way, shape, or form. He just mean, he may be kind of. Yeah, not publicly, but he's going to use. Definitely not just going to leave bright out there to to make this decision. This trade perception is going to be on Brad. You're going to be Brad, making you feel send them the Oklahoma City or wherever it's going to be. Maybe vanquishing is 3. I mean this is different from Isaiah like a hundred percent. There's a a situation with Celtic. Probably did deserve a knock or two there but can be kind of came here and they gave me a huge contract 30 out of 32, say something exactly what the Celtics do. Thursday. So great that was me and Isaiah every GM, does the same exact thing and if so, if you don't get hired, it didn't help with his reputation though it didn't help Denny's rep but you'd be surprised if you if you gave Isaiah max deal, that'd be the last thing you ever did. If you brought Isaiah back or you didn't look to move on you'd be you'd lose your job. I know. But John the agents the people behind the scenes are using a glass and whether it's true or whether it's not they're using Boston as like that scapegoat every single time and whether it's real and not that's just killing their perception. And again this like goes back to things we've been talking about for about a month now in terms of perception versus reality and may not be reality but they have to fight it somehow on it. I've never been high on it. I think it's I personally think it's more media-driven. I also think I'm an athlete and it comes down to a decision. If you want to go somewhere, you're going to find. You're going to use confirmation bias. You're going to talk to the people who are going to say. I've heard that about Boston but it's not the case wage. You're not, you're not going to be like, oh some people said that, so I'm going to not go to this place. Otherwise I like things about it, that's not going to be the driving force. This idea that you might get traded off somewhere down the line. I just don't believe people are using that to factor in. It might be that, I don't like the city, I don't want to play with those guys. There's, I bet there's if there's reasons to not come here. I think they're way bigger than a while. The GM might trade me at some point or another, I don't buy it. No guys when just in my years just dealing with agents and in in GM's in a like it always comes back to. How much can I get paid? And how much am I going to play? Yeah, if you can't meet the right side wager. For me, the money, those two fronts they can deal with all the other bullshit because they know that there's going to be other bullshit around that as far as as far as winning games, as far as how you, how you're treated by the gym, whether your own a trading Bloc, and, you know, one of the things about being on a trading, Bloc that place. Just that I've dealt with in the past who always reminded me of his, when you're in a trading Bloc, that means somebody's talking about wanting you to be under Swanson. That means you're wanting to me. If I'm Kimberley Walker, I will be speaking out. If nobody was talking about trading for me, if nobody had any interest in, whether I was available, that is when you worry, because that means that you are not someone that is faith in this league, and it means you're, you're basically plan on borrowed time. So, the fact that there may be an an actual audience that is, at least interested in inquiring about Kim as availability. That's a good thing for him. And if we, the show thinks it's a great thing, because Kim, but considering what he's making money wise, considering what he can do physically. That is not a, that's not a cocktail for great abundance of Interest. The fact that they can get any type of interest at this point. I think it's a good thing for both Kimba. And for the Celtics, it was right if they're if they're unable to do it though but they're unable to move him, that's, that's an odd. Training camp, right? I think that's the thing. I don't want to break your cat food for Kemba Walker. If you're kind of walk, you like great, you know, what's happened to be pro-choice? I come back, we believe in you listen, symbol Walker me. If I'm Kimberley Walker and all this talk is going on all summer long. And I'm still in Boston, I'm coming back as an absolute Stone, Cold assassin. And if I had in the first chance I get to leave, Boston, I'm going to do it and do it. He'll do the Hayward off that 37 and then another hundred million know. Now the alternative if you're the boss. So just watch all the talk about giving being trade and just tell him that we're not going to include you in any deals and we're going to come back and we're going to be Kumbaya your boots, two and all that and then you still run the risk of him leaving. So why would you not find out what his value is? And see if there's a deal that you can work out versus putting your head in the sand and pretending, as if everything is rainbows and birth, Please bring him back without knowing what his value is outside of your organization to me. That is the criminal act and all this. If they don't find out what his value is seems like kind of going back to last summer, at least Corner the reports. Now maybe they were shooting for the moon in terms of what they wanted. Jrue Holiday that kind of thing was a little larger sister was dead, they lived tried to trade him for a dead guy. Like I mean, you know, like I know what you mean, but then took a little market but they tried to trade him for the market. I'm always close to that to transfer old rigid about Bobby, put on the text thread. Wow, wouldn't that? Have been crazy if you retired? I'm like, yeah, that would that would have been a great way. Yeah, we think we think about that. I find it extremely sorry, I hope camera's not watching. I love camping, I don't care what you guys. I loved it. Everyone loves, but everyone still wants to trade. Kemba impossible to be. No, we did not go in this season. I haven't spoken to Danny Brad, whoever about these rumors that float around, there is no way when did season without that discussion. So that's why I'm a little hesitant to believe this report. No offense to whoever the guy was who reported, not even know the guys name, I don't even know who it is. I don't care, but I just find it hard to believe that they're not a little bit more. They weren't on the same page going into season. Now, that being said, like John said in, like shot said, as a GM, do you have to do your job? I would say, everybody is on the table except Jayson Tatum. That doesn't mean I'm trying to trade Jalen brown, but he's not off the table for like any discussion at all. Depending on what players available out there. So if you're going, you know, Cry about it. Then go cry about it. But, you know, this is the name of the game. It's the NBA. I know, I just, I just don't want. I don't want this subject to end up trading him just to Trader Joes. I only maybe you go, maybe you go into next season and you just get, you know, get come by just don't want to be out of whack, you know, out of folks that can watch. That's what we talked about. You guys try to trade me, you guys, tried every single option possible and now you're stuck with me, you know, I don't want him to have that. That's a balance. A lot, is basically trading, Kemba makes you worse, almost every scenario. And we're going to do a bunch of them realistically trading, Kevin makes you worse, unless you get very lucky. You're lucky, you're not going to get lucky that bad makes you worse. You're not good enough to overcome this. The wizard took offense, the boys are going to have it the point guard position, you know, you're not the probably bit depending on some of these scenarios. You're gonna have to give up picks along with it. Like this is stupid. Just You got to bring up, you got a pretty much bring them back unless you get blown away. What's you're not going to? Do you go to lose the trade know cuz bring him back fails and two ways? Well, I guess it could succeed. If you just comes out guns blazing, but they walk. I feel like they did everything. They could have to set him up to have a successful season and it probably came about as close as it could be 2 working again, just way and I defended him all year. He closed the season averaging Thirty a game, but that instability, that was instilled. By him, just jumping in, and out of the lineup all year, right? Up until the end of the playoffs there. I think it was a huge part of them being five hundred, I've pointed to get off. As I said, flexibility, it's not just that between games, he missed and games, he outright sucked that was almost fifty percent of the Season. Like, you know, it was a lot, there was a lot if you talk, they were game three before he came back, right? But ten games that were duds and then and then the however many he missed that you couldn't count on him for twenty five out of the six t, you know, like it was dead. A large number and then there was a bunch of games, he was just okay. So like his high-impact games were were a small percentage of his season or the games where you're like, I'm glad Kemba Walker. Is here. Bout fifty percent. That's not a very good ratio for a person. You're counting on to be a core member of your team, which is why again, your expectations going into next season. No matter what. Especially if he's not going to play back Backstreet play limited is. It has to be more of a bench role or a reserve role or something new to bill. You gotta build a rotation that isn't going to be totally different. You know, every every so often when you give their going back to a normal season, it's a long season but he couldn't play Forty this year, guys, what are we? What are we going to do here? You know, I mean are those numbers skewed though? I mean obviously the conditions and the way these these the schedules congested. I mean obviously even start the regular season obviously and he still couldn't was unable to play on the second night. It's a back-to-back, but I mean, I think that was wage. Incensed, when you look at the schedule, I mean I don't think that's going to be the case heading into the season. You know, in terms of his production we're not quite sure we have to see him for him. So well, I mean we have to remember that it's not. It shouldn't be the same. Keep talking about it. Like you say, you want them back. It's not that. I want to beg Bobby. I just don't want to see the something's just trade them just to trade him, you know? Maybe having him back for another year of restructuring. That find me too. It's what happened with this happens. We're talking about him like a guy that we think can be useful for the course of an entire season and not break down. And I don't know, after the last two years, I'm not going to sit here and take Victory laps over it. But I don't know how after the last two years, you'll have any hope at all that Kemba Walker is going to be able to make a sustained. Push, let me next year, off into the playoffs and help you because that's such a me. The, the notion that not trading Camp of training camp up, for nothing is bad. I don't know at this point because I don't know what you're getting at all anymore. I mean, can you say with confidence any of you guys right now? If you had to bet on it and we said, sixty games next year, plus a full run of the playoffs. Who is who's who's pushing their chips into the middle on that one? No way Jose. No, it's not fifty. Fifty five games and fifty games, who's which of you thinks that that's possible? I think it's maybe I think now. I am not attributable. Yeah, it's bigger than ask you something. There's a thing with Kim and again, Do your point about getting crap, basically getting nothing in return? That to me, that's just the reality. If you trade them, that's going to happen. I don't think there's anyone that's going to give you anything of substance. If you keep him, I would like to walk to work and Kimba do with a normal offseason, a normal training camp, all the normal intricacies that were used to him saying cuz Kimba scene, when he's healthy to be a more basketball. When does healthy now? Go ahead go. I tried know when he's healthy, he's a really good player and I'm thinking as he gets a little bit, older, he falls a little bit further, down the pecking order of priorities, I mean, tatem Brown, hopefully someone else will emerge and be a number three. So, can be maybe that for guy, hopefully hopefully but you know we got the GM of of of the Stars Brad Stevens on the case. So of course, that's going to happen. Cuz Brad's amazing at everything he does write and tell us. They I think that serious concerns about his fit on the Dead. At this point, his ability to mess with brown his ability to play, make his ability to shoot off the ball. Cuz Jason Tatum is the ball hand on this team now and it should be the playmaker damage if my mortgage. Yeah. This is a different team than the one he came into and that's another reason I think it's time to move on. Like he, he did not fit well with this roster, this year, even when he was at his best and I want to make it work, I want to see how it would go. I raised that concern at the beginning of the year, how him and brown would mesh? But I think even, I think you'd be in a better place next year. We, I think you can go to a direction that you can take a step back as John often talks about which many of these deals would do, but you can also pad your depth and bring in different flavors of, you know, attributes here that can better outfit tatem Brown. They won't be better players, but they might fit better. They might make you deeper, they might make a better approach. Yeah, give me the on-base percentage. Unbeaten, Basketball Club. It doesn't say what the last year though. Jimmy again, we're looking at, we're looking at fantasy stats. We're looking at friggin like twenty points a game. You can't get that elsewhere. What we need is people who can play. You need a team. You need two people that can play with that. Two guys, you're worried about on this team anybody that's going to be make them better based on the scenarios that. So let's, let's throw out a few of them. Okay, already people, the numbers. First off, first off, I need to tell everybody off first number for Master Qui-Gon, about him later, with John, studied the chapter of how to tease a segment, man, you really got that down. That's something I drilled into it. Drilled into my guys. He was almost said, look, we, I just want to let everybody know. Yep. Are doing it. This is not. I swear to God I swear it's not an all-nighter. I can't do it. I can't do it. I know you're going to do it. Totally going to do, it goes to the home test is out there right now. Catch your, you got two minutes tonight, buddy. You're going to get everything betrayed idea from here to the Philippines. Okay, I love you. I miss Cass. I missed Dudley I miss Karen, I miss all. You guys put two minutes each, okay. Tonight. Chris, all of you trade proposal in and get out my guys, my guys, I came to work at start working the trade machine right now guys. I can't wait to hear from all of you, but we are going to we are we it is a school night and you know whatever we can't. Anyway, so here we go. Locker room, download it for those of you first timers here, there's a couple cuz there's a couple of like this guy, John sucks. And like I haven't heard from you guys yet. So you guys are new if you want to come and say that off. Face or not to my face, but on the phone before I come to locker room, that's totally fine. Will give you give you a platform. Tell us why we're dumb. Tell us why our trade ideas are terrible. Tell us why you want, Kemble? Why? You don't want, but we still didn't talk about Brad and Danny and the and the words in the words of perk though, make sure you get some, some bass in your voice when you took a Savage, then. Oh my god. Dude, that one of the master classical was wild. He freaking body bag some people. He's a good. He's like, no, no, no, I want to hear the criticism and then it just absolutely just body slam somebody that was reluctant. Groom talk. Yeah. Download it. And join us after we're going to go in about 25 minutes. Okay, so we're going to do a few trade scenarios for the rest of. This will take the rest of the chat over the locker room, okay? Number one, but the one everyone's talking about, Okay. Chris caps, Jimmy loves his fun. Okay, I don't love it, I like I'd works. So ultimately this is the easiest way, okay? It's easiest one because it's player for player who wants to do this Gerard's face is saying, yes, I think, is that what that expression is wage would be all know. Yeah, who's in, who's in? I'm in even though I just said I catch on Thursday, but in terms of my coffee, for all of the reasons, I've stated one, I told you. My answer is going to be yes to almost every one of these trades. You something Bobby since you brought it up, how long is the porzingis fit? Compared to the camera fit? I would say it has to be a better fit, he's a better score, he's more efficient better shooter at this point, but everywhere else he fails wage. Still keeps your hands bad. He doesn't play with size at this point in his career, you guys get up. The floor, doesn't bring a post presence. He's playing the four. I've never, really seen him play The V that much at least in recent years. So injury concerns about that. He's not the Knicks kristaps anymore. But what happened hasn't been a long time since he was with the next, three Bravo to the two. Yeah. And it's all good. You got him into three, I don't know. I just think porzingis at the Ford is really awkward at this point. Prison is at the four. Five bench seven-man know. And he brings. He brings his personality to that. You gotta be worried about there, too. With the way he seems to be beefing with Luke. Oh, here's here's the thing about the blue, if for example, Ashley play like the second best player game, That team there were no kidding. That's the problem. Yeah he's he's should be the second best player but he plays well like the fourth best player. You are going to have problems with your best player when you are getting it done. Here's a thought. How about make an open shop? When you when your best player got freaking black tape all over his damn body? I can barely walk. I like making open shot to help your boy out but I gotta point out guys wage, I mean we're talking about him like he's completely broke ass, like the year before is in twenty-five. The just wait the year before surgery the year before his injury, he scored twenty points a game. Okay and he shot 44% from the field 39 from 3. Okay. And is any had six rebounds a game last year? Last two years? He's been twenty and ten with with this year, he shot his best field-goal percentage of his career and shot nearly 40% from 3 as well. Still kind of missing where porzingis is broke ass like events. I understand. There we go. With the defense used to be more but can we grow up? It's an offensive player of League, okay? Like John they were at the most efficient offense, ever two years ago? Like they lost round ones, Bobby every show defense, The season. I just, I want someone to explain the narrative that Christopher porzingis is broke ass, like not even close statistic. He was an absolutely awful. Well, more than serviceable player. He was a he was probably their second-best offensive weapon this year. He's not, he, the ceiling isn't as high as to what you envisioned, he could potentially be as both a guy who could, you know, you know, contests, you no contest shots and stretch it out and shoot threes and be seven feet tall and just a real problem, but he's still a 7-footer that shoots nearly 40 per month from 3 and can score. Like, that's not find any way. He's not a unicorn or Horford Hamer, Horford Morford, I thought, but see that's the thing. Yeah, that's why Horford by far? That makes he brings a lot of stuff. I wouldn't say by far, but I think I'd prefer that and and I know you've already done this song. Exactly what he brings in the exactly, what if I tell you that? All right, well, Jimmy like what's, what's wrong with going? Why, why go for the unknown on this one? You know. It's just that the lot of at the big contact with taken as well, obviously, in out-and-out, Horford. But Chris stops, I mean, it's a gamble. He signs a real twenty twenty-five, United Kemba Walker out. The gamble, Kemba Walker has known. He's like we're worried about Chris, Deb's injuries, like my Lord Krishna has played as many games this year. Look at his injury log need ankle. Fairfax BonChon, e77 for like those type of injuries that they don't bode well for seven, you know, guys, that big little, guys, you guys either doesn't bank has em. He's a big man, simply because he's tall. There's nothing about his game other than his height. That screams big man. And now with with Stevens, and everybody great, you can't even count on that old thing. We used to talk about with Steven swear. I'd be dead. Or Stevens can utilize him better? We don't even know who the coach is going to be right next. Biggest worry, is that he's an asshole and he signed an extra year over Camry option for the third year. And that's that is a bit of a concern, right way. You talk his way out of New York and just some of the kind of, you know, end and that will do the the exit interview in New York. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean, John, your point about him being else. That's a, that's a good one cuz I do worry about that too. He's an asshole and so that would worry me cuz you're talking about. Kemba is like the best guy in the world and everybody likes playing with them. Any super support of his of his teammates and you'd go to this guy who's in? Who's who's a who's a who's you know, I told me shot himself out of two destinations and might be cultures with stars and management of players. He's the type of guy who has a problem with everyone and that's not he's if he's if he's speaking with Luca who is he has going to feel about Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum. I mean he's got a job. Right? I will say he's doing, you know, he's playing well, and he's winning games and he's an asshole. He's our asshole, that's okay. Well, here's the thing wage. He doesn't significantly help you win games. That's why New York didn't work out. That's why Dallas would be open to the idea of moving him because that team with him are okay? But he doesn't, he doesn't take them to the level that that they need to, in order to be a better team. All right. So we're still, we're sticking with, you know, going to move it along, we're sticking with 3,000 nose and Jimmy and I just for the sake of argument or for for, for actual sake. Guy. I'm like 5149 maybe a little bit more. I'll give you this. John. This is the most likely of all the deals to get it. Yes. And it has the highest outside. I consider it totally biased upside most likely of the deals and no text and no pics will bring a number to. Okay. Oh God. God and you guys have a pretty man. None of these are pretty. I mean, come on. What are you guys? What? What do you guys want? I want to explain that. Why? By far? He would rather do this. He'd rather give me Ur pic and get, you know what to say? Jimmy wants to see Shay in their gilgeous-alexander ego. Good. Yeah, now don't know. We're talking. Yeah. But Jaylynn in there. I loved him back. So the former Celtics just I want to pull my hair out. It's not that I don't like super bass. Don't want them to ever be bad. Exactly. Like oh man I can't be all that. I remember winning a title with these guys. I don't know why everyone is obsessed with bringing back. These guys, when you saw Darren get a younger version, not the same player but a younger player that's out there can play a similar position where the same page And, and I'm just talking about Portuguese in this example and yet is it a risk? Absolutely, it's a risk. But when you're not a great team, you have to take risk. You have to gamble a little bit. It's a high-risk high-reward, what's, what's the alternative? Like somewhere and Kemba here? And you try to restructure that contract and now they're selling in a first-round exit? Like, is that what you guys want to do? You want to, you want to double up with Chris? That's I mean, the camera is not often I'd rather swing-for-the-fences and source and strike out or hit a home run. Then hit first African single girl. I love Al Horford and would love for him to come back. I wouldn't do that deal. I just, I don't think it's the type of deal that makes a whole lot of sense. I mean, hell, if you're going to do that, you might as well. Keep Kimbo really good point if that's like the best meal. I continued it. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, listen, if, if Robert Williams, it was someone that we can say, this is it, he's going to be completely healthy. I'm a job. May I say the same thing that that's Rodger said, but because of that, I sort of like the idea of him returning to that role, that Mentor role that met a whole lot to Robin Williams. He he talked a lot about a heading into this season and it's just, I don't know. What's he going to call it a Celtics Binky, if you will, I think that they feel comfortable with that when you guys get someone like that back when you guys rather have this job, would you guys rather have Rob and Tom next year, or Robin Horford, you're forgetting to include Kemba in that scenario, right? I mean, well, that's my thing about this one is that this can become a bigger figure. Some else you had to go talk to for Xena to see what's, you know, whether he's he'll still interested, just platonically. He's like, I'm talking you up right now man. Thompson's an expiring deal is a good choice. This is a good point. Kevin will be a bit Ito Bobby don't make that. That's a great Point. Yep. Come through the door any second. Now somebody here by this is Bobby Ellis making. She's making a reservation right now. It's been there so long. It's like a lamp to me. This is my page here. It like I knew still think that's the Al Horford from five years ago. That walking, through that bedroom door, it's not. So, how was real solid? I know one that no one was watching him cuz he was in Oklahoma. But remember he was watching, if you for disclosure had on my fantasy team for a little bit. He was bawling out. It was. And if she remember when we looking at the standings throughout the year in, Oklahoma was floating right there in the middle of the week. Somehow, he was a big part of his looker and KD getting into it. Okay, oh yeah, I just saw Shack. Oh yeah, get everyone out of it enough. My friends comments a lot of furniture moving. I I love the idea of birth. I want to smoke. He just wants to know. People have you said you loved the idea of Horford? Continue Bobby. I'm sorry, I love the idea for, for coming back because he's a pastor, which is something they need. They need defense down a little bit more size, especially at the fore. He compiled a handy and backup. Rob, you can be a bit of Rob insurance and he played so well here in this, in the point that you guys are off earlier, can't be dismissing that as who the hell is coaching the team? Because our skill set, may not necessarily fit in whatever system. The new coach is going to have it should you would think it would? But we don't do well. Here's the biggest bonus. He makes Thirty million this year, but next year, he makes fourteen, he makes fourteen million cuz the incentives. So you're safe and twenty million dollars. Next year off camber bonus. I'll give you which is probably a big reason Oklahoma wouldn't do it. I'm still working for a reasons Oklahoma would do this, they don't take pics, they have 34,000. There's other ways to dump or from sure other teams are interested in Hartford, and does Horford want to come back? That's a ginormous where the Celtics giving a pic in your trade. Yeah, I did because I think there needs to be some incentive to do this cuz that's something to me when I sent of Hartford literally said, I'm not playing for you anymore. They said we don't want you to play for us anymore. Right? Yeah. That's one of the reasons I'm sure. Why don't you go to a practice player in NBA last year? Yeah. And why would, okay, so you want to take on Camp? I don't know if they'd be out of dollars a pack. They don't have that incentive of the pig, Elise would? Yeah, make them work that will get it done and we know okay, she loves pics so very quickly but again, doesn't know. Right. Yes, that's correct, know you might not have to give up the pick. That would be even better. I mean, this deal is a dream, if you can get it done today. What is the know? Jimmy is no, I'm a no, I can't believe you thought. Were you going to say no to everything here? Already said, yes to 1, yes, Bobby and I were clicking tonight, man. Obby, I'm giving it to you 3 to. I mean, yes, on there that long as you just said yourself, why even make the trade trade? Who's playing? Try to convince him? Stop. Sorry, 3 to. This is the this is the biggest benefit to this to, you keeps it and it keeps mind pointing Martin, Horford, starting work for back together. There's no suspense here. I told you, I'm saying, is going to make it again? What's John? I'm saying, yes to every trade so don't don't, don't be surprised. The next one is the is Bobby Bobby's. Bobby's Clippers trade with a little bit of extra juice. Last year, little twist to it. Okay, just throw Marcus mode. It's a Celtics coming back in a gold Marcus Morris into this situation. Yeah, this is, this is a, this is Robert, right? You're robbing the Clippers right now? Yes, that's a lot of Luke Kennard. I'll say that. Yes, you look for nausea home. So I think this one is not realistic but whether or not we're talking about Maurice, let's just talk about the thing that's been thrown out there. A big issue, is this idea of Kennard and Beverly for Kemba, but the money doesn't fully work. So you gotta do more and that's why, that's why you threw Morrison home and that's why you threw pics. That way to make it work. I don't know how the mechanics of this would work. Now this to me like I think I said it was Morris under contract for four years. It would be 3 a.m. More including this episode one. I gotta tell you. The last thing in the freaking world, I want on this team, next to Jalen and Jason playing the same position as those guys is Marcus, freaking Morris. Walk-ins are moving. I said, I would say yes to everything Marcus Morris. Absolutely murdered those guys in his last year here, because it's not his fault, one of them, one of them, Jonathan just one of the kids, but Marcus Morris does. One thing is, he's a freaking vacuum, you give him the ball. And he's, and he turns around and here is incredible this year. Any a great job by this year, but if you let the dogs more, so, you might as well plug and try to flip to me, like, every shot in the world because of that, like, no, he's gotta take every shot man off my God. I don't want anything to do with that. I want him back. I had to know like the Cunard part of this. I think Canard is horrible. I love the Cunard. Oh, you don't like that part know. I don't I think he's a waste of an Choi. Tension here, he's a midsize contract Bell know how valuable he is automatically. Every player coming back from the from the capitalist trade pretty much. Yeah, I do. And this is why it's realistic and the fact of life they're going to hate the trade. Yes, it is. John your Barbies Barbies goal. Today was to just make us Hate Everything. But John, you always say how the U always say, how the Celtics picks a useless, they useless to everybody but except if they don't have time, but Dallas person, I am either, right? They might gave up their next one, but not nearly as bad as the Clippers. I mean, the Clippers gave up about seven first four doors were saying seven first and the next time you say seven. First, I'm going to knock you off the show. Come on, never giving up Kevin first for anything. I just want to be clear. It wasn't total. Yeah. But someone team one team doesn't give up seven first. Yeah, okay. Yeah, they have picked swaps anyway, doesn't matter as long as I hate this trade, I hate it. I hate it. I was I just here's what they suck. I don't know where the cameras would do it either. India score or hatred of like Marcus Morris. He shot better than 40% for three point race. Three of the last four years. I know. Yeah, there is a broader guys. His size who show at least a desire, willingness to defend who can shoot like that. I know he takes a high volume of shots but damn if he's making four years of his threes. I think there's value in that adds into the bus. He never said, he was really good, it was and if it went a tow first came to the Celtics from the draft choice was his BFF. It was freaking Marcus Morris. The guy sat next to each other in a plane. Marcus was like a mentor for him when he first came to the week. So there's not going to be an issue going to guarantee. If we did this trade next year, around this time, we'd be doing Marcus Morris trade shows about how the hell they get rid of Marcus Morris. Okay, like on my damn chair off. No keep know here. Hey I'm all about bringing in a guy who's going to actually give them a little bit of a backbone. I'd love to see that in the team and that's Marcus Morris type. What am I am? Not my my lasting image of him was when they played Philadelphia and Ben Simmons, is bringing a ball and he just pushed Ben, Simmons. Looked at me, I looked at the no call, was made sure. That's my kind of guy. I mean, I'll always love this, you know. Oh, electric that yeah. It was awesome and he's kept it going. I mean, 2019. He was the, he was further down on the bench that anybody that year, he lost the most minutes of anybody on that roster. So you can understand the malcontents at this point. They needed a guy like it's just simply. I don't know how this works with those guys. If he accepted this role he came in Off the Bench. He took eight ten twelve. But he's he signed for four years, three more free morning. It started last year anyway. So it's like Jose. Hey we can't have nice things. Okay, there you goes. Open in the autonomy to mine was oh I know someone got it so real quick. Before we move on to the next train to do a couple more, we're going to head over to locker room guys. The does the other teams say yes to any of the trades? We suggested. I think we say yes. Yes Oklahoma bring my clippers are not doing that. Yeah, no, they're not. You don't think. I mean Morris is the kind of the wild card there. The other one I saw thrown around was Yogi Ferrell and placed that Morris, but I say no to that one off point, they don't want Kim about Yogi who. So this is the hold on. I'm going to do this one real quick. I got to pull it up first. This one's kind of interesting cuz this is the hold on, we're a little slow here. I love these Houston trades. I'll get to Houston. I'm gonna do that one last cuz I know you like it. I want to do. This is the two nickels for a dime trade. The home. Aaron Gordon talks. Come full circle. Yeah. So hold on. It's taking a second to load it up here. This is what the magic, this is when the Bobby threw out here. Wage Terrence Ross, Gary, Harris for Kemba. And a first and a couple of rebuilding, you honestly have no respect for first-round picks, your get him out of here, seriously, you don't get any age, a heart attack, you are wrong. I mean, if you're, you are only in first or a draft Vandal when it comes to this, like, hey, I did put a protection Define friend, I put a protection on the second one. No no the hell did I just look at home? You go back to that for a second. Joan Farris Ross. What did Harry Harry Ronstadt luck adjusted player, estimate using a body like hers prior regular. I like those pictures. Don't even try, Jimmy Bobby. I don't even want to know what LeBron me. I don't know. I don't know how, I don't know. So we have so I, you know, I saw the. It's a weird acronym. Yeah, no, I saw that too. Cuz we're focusing on the wrong thing. Well, where's this question is showing now why we may? I ask what they think of the trade by forget about the trade. Let's talk about this is Jimmy Go Jimmy goes you can't read that broke off so I forget parents cross right. Yeah. Well trained for all the magic why not you know I know you know for Terrence Ross that's just bring on the magic team, get markelle fultz in there and then we can talk log. All right, a little bit of a buffer against not all horny leaving. It's 48 on this team with these trades happening. Is he part on this team still? I'm worried. I mean, you know how I feel about them but I don't know how the Celtics feel about them. It's going to be a lot of tax to keep them around. Yeah, yeah. Y to first, ask yourself who certainly they're asking themselves. Is it worth it? Is it worth it? You know Harris shot 37% in Orlando Terrace Rockside. Does anybody like this trade know? I mean I mean think about him. Hello. Can you put them in a situation like this? I don't think you get the same numbers but you're right. He's probably more forty. Forty three forty four he's camber. You get. He was he was a maybe not a beast but he was he was a garden in Denver, you know, when, yeah, he's, he's expensive and he's a, he might be an extra year than Kemba to. I mean, this is the guy I was looking at when we were talking about smart going Orlando, it was like, I really want Gareth Gary Harris. Either this is a very realistic trade. This is probably the second most realistic of all. It's definitely realistic. Yeah. So does anybody like it? No, it's not fine with it happened. I would not, I wouldn't. I wouldn't cry. I wouldn't cry. Darren's Ross, is kind of a baller. I wouldn't be streaky though. He's really, he's really streaky. But It's Tricky as they need that type of you have a chance to get three Orlando Magic on your team. You take it, take it, you don't see in this in this scenario, need the fluid off, you. Okay, Aaron Gordon. You just say yes and how much yes it is. Just buy that stuff to see what happens. Yeah I'll give us all your magic dead players. We don't want we don't want boo Civic or Gordon we want all the other guys. Yeah. So here's the other one. Ready this? The last this last we're going to do look who's calling. Bobby loves this forum or something else. Looks like there's another good one doesn't work. So Contract over know. That's a that's that's Bradley. So the the Bradley has a picks up his option. Yeah, so the only way this works is if Bradley picks up his playoff, six million. I don't know whether you would get in the open market, but this probably a chance, he picks it up, but it will say you probably rather chooses destination than be traded somewhere, so maybe not sure. If it worked for me Aragorn and they want him out bad, he signed a bunch of years now. DJ Augustine's, a solid point guard. What is, Eric Gordon? You just backs up to him. I don't like them. I like this room Gordon, they'll be lucky. If he plays he played twenty three games last year, that's what I'm saying. So why are we doing this? What I'm saying, why are we going to buy? I'm thinking about a temporary home. Guard to plug in there. But yeah, it's risky because it's different cuz you're not going to play. Yeah, you just, you just have Kem who doesn't play that yeah, but she Roberts, right? But you're right. If if if Houston's relevant though, I think you suck You would have seen a little more from from Gordon. I mean, he's a good shooter. They set him down, he was supposed to come back and shoot her, but he's also getting up there in age too. Right. Eric Gordon is is like older than Kemba. Yes, okay! Just making sure, we're just making sure we're clear on. This is an older than to God. He's an injury-riddled player who's older than the injury-riddled player that you're getting rid of it, just make sure I've heard enough know he makes he makes sixteen million though instead of 30 seconds. Again. You get you get Augustine though, okay? Yeah, I do like DJ Agustin, I do like DJ, you get your life and I love every breath. Modern-day Jameer Nelson, be nice to have Bradley back in the room, you could also do. If this doesn't work, you could try. Get Daniel house from them, whom could possibly be available, and then, back to solid like that. Bobby one of those guys like or you could do a, straight-up Kemba Walker, John Wall swap, which were a New York, New Jersey. To go there box that we didn't do that one but that's another semi interesting month that that is the what is the last one? We're going to do real quick and then we're going to go. Does anyone want to hang here? You guys just want to all one ahead. Let's just don't head over. All right. That sounds good. Yeah. So we're going locker. Room room is open. You guys can jump in there now, wait for us. We're going to wrap it up here in the morning. To take your. Take your questions. Take your comments off the room. Yeah, I go suggest more trades here. All night. Okay, let's do, for a wall real quick. Yes. Yes. I am young Benedict, huh. You need a passer playmaker? Yeah, that's one of the best passers in the league. That's two years. Three years years on that deal. I ruined three years, they do it. No, it's, it's it's the same length as Kemba. But why would they do it, why would they do it? Why would I save money, and a little bit of money, so you just get water and kristyn out and you're one could save a lot of money Jones, depending on, when the couple seconds to make it worth their while. Yeah. But would you would send Trish how to write know? They work straight up? A work straight up. Yeah, Jimmy. What can we do that. Do it today. Wallace Goss always forty. Two million canvas 36 for jams 42 million. So you're going to be diving in the attacks a little bit that's probably don't give about the tax. Of course not you're not paying it. Exactly. Well, Wick needs to Pony up a flip side pane Jack's, wouldn't we be getting all excited when we be able to get so excited about wall coming here? Definitely, I would. I mean Houston was and you did a decent job before hard and blow up the spot. Yeah. So again just took the table. These are, we just jumped a lot to him to a lot of Kemba here. We still have not talked about and we're still waiting on Jimmy's, take on the Brad situation. We're going to talk about that in locker room as well. And and what I will say is as time has gone on. I like this move, less, and less, and less, and less. And I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I'm like, I'm going to be laying on this couch. Like I'm at like counseling session when I talk about this. Yeah, Brad stuff. Yeah. All right. Staring at the wall. Yeah, so we're going to head over like I said, does anybody feel they have anything left to say here cuz I'll let him I'll let you do it. No, this role, let's roll. Yeah, we're going to hit for now guys. Start grabbing your phone's. Hold on, where's mine? Is it open? It's open, Jimmy Sherrod, jump on in life. I still got to grab my phone there and head over right now. Locker room. Thank you guys for want to say. Thanks everyone for watching too, cuz we haven't seen them in like a week. So, thank you, which I'm trying to do this, like, once a week or so, I don't even know. Hopefully. All right, peace, guys. All right. Good night, everybody.

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Kemba Walker Injury Update | Gordon Hayward Latest

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Kemba Walker Injury Update | Gordon Hayward Latest

"Emergency addition to the Garden report emergency ambulance coming. That's yeah exactly. Send the ambulance. Someone come get Kemba and make this all go away while you're at it pick me up. Right? Let's let's get into a real quick. We're just here. This was kind of impromptu, but just to catch everybody where you're where we're at. And again, this is Jimmy Toscano Bobby Manning and so are developing situation involves one Kemba Walker who off earlier today Brad Stevens was on a podcast on Ceylon as media network with Jeff Goodman and Bob Ryan the the Ryan Goodman podcast and he was our guest and just kind of Jeff was just asking. Hey, you know, Kemba wasn't didn't look great the end of last year, you know what this status and again Bobbie your you wrote about this today on sale has media on a Boston Sports Journal Danny Ainge alluded to it. It wasn't home. Shock. However, the just I'm going to plan for you guys. Listen to Stevens talk and then just make your own interpretation on what you think here. This sounded like he was and I'll give you my take a bath to it again. I'm going to play the sound bite. Okay, here we go. Yeah, he's going to I mean, he's he's working exceptionally hard on just continuing the key to this whole thing with him is just strengthen the knee and so just continuing to take this opportunity when we're not playing when we're not practicing to really focus on that very similar to what we did at the beginning of the bubble. I think that there will be a transition like that because of the short because of the shortened season the shortened off-season, you know, I don't expect you know, it'll be some time before he's going full speed for us for sure. Meaning that he might miss he might miss the beginning of the Season breath. We'll see how that all goes. We haven't settled on any timelines. This is more of a like plan appropriately thing so that he can plug and play uninhibited as he moves forward a lot like the bubble again the bubble. Okay, we have upset Jimmy Toscana. You scared Jimmy any better the tenth time you hear this is a disaster because of the fact that you haven't for three more years and that's what ain't said back in a presser. We're trying to get them right for three years. If you can't get them right for the First full year. It's probably not looking good for the full four years and you're talking about a player option at the end too. Yeah, I will say for this season though. I have a tiny bit of optimism out of this because of course you do because they managed it. Well in the bubble, he came back roaring through the eight game stretch. They had to send him a few times and they made it work now the postseason as it got along as you're doing that every other night thing it was tough. So what do you look at here last year you are a team with four guys at the top who bought all the scoring load. I think it was like seventy 6% of the points came from the top floor. Now all of a sudden you're taking two of those guys in Hayward and Kemba out on many nights. How do you pick that up is Jeff Teague enough wage? Coming off the bench. I don't think so. You're on the wing scoring behind the SARS. They're not to mention. You're putting more of a ball handling pressure on more Marcus Smart shots. That's what you get more Market smoke more Jayson Tatum ball-handling more Jaylen Brown ball handling. So you're putting three guys in the tough position there. Jimmy yeah, so it's hard to spend this any any positive way. Obviously my hope is that there's going to be a lot of NBA teams that are going to be coming out very slow out of the game. It's especially some of the teams that did go relatively deep into the bubble. So I'm not sure if the Celtics are going to be the only one that are you know, bringing some of their guys in a slightly arresting guys on off nights. I don't think the NBA has any grounds to come at teams for giving guys, you know nights off. I don't think that they'll even consider that this season based on the the quick walk around here. But yeah, I mean, it's tough to hear Brad talk about Kemba Walker like he's going to be in a walker like half the season I mean you really don't want to hear that type of talk about a month before things really ramp up here. So wasn't pump to hear that and then you hear the reports that whether you believe it or not that Danny Ainge tried to trade Kemba Walker, you know called a bunch of teams of okay. Gir and clearly didn't get anywhere. There was the first that was the first red flag and the guy you told I mean, look, I don't want to play the yes you do. I'm not looking for the win. But as soon as that thought came out I told you I want I want out of all my camera shares. I want out eat that W. Well, I'm just saying I'm reading the tea leaves. I'm not saying I don't like him as a player. I loved the signing at the beginning of last year, but you're just you're putting everything together here the maintenance. Getting them together the thing that scared me the most often as having a small knee issue find during the season taking four months off and still having that knee issue after we were told that oh God. That sucks. Kemba Walker's first soundbite up to us to the media right after the right after he was came back. Was that that four months did me so great. I loved It was it's just what my knee needed and then a week later. It's okay. Ken was experiencing soreness. Again. They're going to be downplaying this happening like every time and I was like no no no, no, no. No, I've seen this movie before, you know, this is how it goes and you are just worried about long-term and these are the things that you say when you're like, yeah, I don't freaking know, you know, if we say over the summer, we're like, oh we know how this goes with the Boston Celtics, right? So this is something that's going to be with him for the next three seasons. And that's another hit this isn't going to get any better than this goes back to knee surgery. She had in Charlotte you have to question maybe the Hornets when they had the chance to keep them said this knee is not right like we know from the Celtics do so just let them go with different A desperate situation where free agent want to come. What is they do it? What is what do you tell you that though? Bobby think of that? So then the narrative the past few days has been what's Charlotte doing? Why wage? Pig garden all this money at this age with his injury history and not have a simple question. What I'm saying is why would they do this and not have paid Kemba the year before? Well, maybe you change your answer here is they didn't think that Kemba was worth four years worth of whatever was that? They were going to get off of that. It's got it's telling that they would feel more comfortable one year later with four years of Gordon Hayward giving his injury history. Then Kemba Walker that you can't you can't justify that signing yet. I still will not justify wage. No, it's two separate things. It feels like Charlotte could be making the same mistake now that they could have made before. So whether they are they aren't whether they are they aren't again at the end of the day the the telling things off the injury during that gap of time that where he we arrested during a during the quarantine situation came back had to manage and the fact that again we're entering a management situation. Should the beginning of a year granted it's a it's a turnaround but I don't know the three four months off would change at a ton. It just feels like this is something that's going to have to be managed for the rest of his career which means dead likely, you know, some sort of arthritic or degenerative condition or something. That's just going to linger and not go away. So again, you have good days you have bad days, but it doesn't these things don't get better and that's really that's you know, I'm not when your garlic Campbell your style of play is, you know, you're quick your faster Shifty you're getting in and out of the lanes, you know, your your these ridiculous shots, you use your knees, you know, not saying other positions don't but he's the type of guy that needs to be feeling good because that's his Worth to the team, right? It is is his shifting as his quickness boxes spin move whatever it is. So if it's something that he's thinking about her if it's something that he can only go 80% Well now you're now you you if you're going 80% you're just another point guard in the NBA because bath 20% is a difference between Kemba Walker and write these guys and they need him now more than ever Jimmy to take a right. It's like when you're one of four, you can kind of jobs don't have nights where you can hide a little bit or not. Not not be your best. But now he's one of three who have to carry a tremendous offensive burden with really nothing behind them. So Kemba Walker just kind of drifting into the shadows and becoming not a role player but not a dynamic Superstar anything less than All-Star level is way short of what you need of Kemba Walker. Maybe you don't notice that you had but was there a guard around the Celtics first pick this year that they if they were really worried about Kemba and thought I know they went with with Peyton Pritchard and bought a second but in the first round went maybe if they were concerned long-term would they have considered you know? Yeah, they they they they were sandwiched between two point guards Kira Lewis at thirteen and Cole Anthony of fifteen years. So on each side there you had a chance to take a guy I still like going with naysmith because of all the reasons we talked about I do too. I'm just saying like if they're concerned about not having camber for you know, yeah he games and not even started here. Maybe you maybe that tells you maybe they're not as concerned as as we are. Maybe it's still causing the question where they see themselves because we get news in the last few days to change was wage going to go as high as a hundred million keep a right now. I want to get to that in a minute who knows how truthful that was might just be talking after the fact but if you're going forward with him, but now and we we had the rumors there to you were willing to go forward with Hayward here. Were you all in on the situation here and if that's the case why not last year when you had camber going at the All-Star level you had some concerns about trade deadline at February when the started why didn't you load up go all-in last year like it looked like that year was going to be at that point to go badges. Nobody loads birth. For a year, you just don't do it. Nobody does that it's not a real thing. You know how people nobody woke up for a year, but they do anything. Well, I think it's come into clearer Focus here based on what you just said. I think the the you know, if we flew all that much more important now, but if we're slow at all together it can but being rumored in this Giroux holiday situation and the initial of reaction from Faith Jimmy and a bunch of other people was Giroux freaking holiday, you know, like for Kemba that's crazy. But like it seems to feel like they were trying to move off of Kemba even if a jaroo or to have that salary in place to just get that off the books and then either sign it either sign Hayward or trade Hayward. This is what we've kind of learned in these in these in this week or two. They might have been ready to bring forth with Hayward and not Kemba between now and and they ended up in the other situation where they're stuck with Kemba and they lost Hayward, but they may have not been able to maybe maybe Kemba. I mean maybe he doesn't pass is dead. Anywhere, he wouldn't pass a physical in a tree he knows right because question too because you're the Celtics and you're and you're worried about Kemba like it sounds like they might be you're going to give away a little bit more than a flip him for a Jew. Yeah. That's how it goes. You giving away a little more to make the other team except to like that Isaiah situation that deal almost didn't get done because of his health they're so they're stuck they going to make this work. The only thing I'll say that the mystically is that they had a good plan that largely worked last year. He talked about all the shiftiness Jimmy. We saw that against Philadelphia first half of that Toronto series strength and then you get into the later stages of that one. I wrote down a little bit bounce back with some twenty pointers against Miami, so it's not like he's I mean, they're not I think the numbers were deceptive. I think he was off most I think he was I think he was Kemble light off at his best last last year loan returned Upon returning. I don't think we ever saw that guy who could take over a game as he did a few times during the year never saw the November production. Yep. When we can just a production it wasn't the get out of my effing way getting getting to his spot and knocking down those shots when he get on those streaks and be like wow, that's what you get them before and I thought maybe that guy's done. He wasn't moving like that way too soon to say that he's gone. I mean, I think I said one. So opening at like a really nice he had a couple good ones against I mean it was a hit or miss and that's probably how it's going to be down. Obviously, we all know he didn't look the way that we took the regular season and we said that right now I think Sean I think what you said is you'd be more concerned about Kemba Walker if he wasn't hurt and if he was hurt. That ring a bell. Yes, what we did such a library somewhere know I mean saying if that's who he is. This guy's not great right now. That's what I was saying when we were watching him last the last in the postseason. He just didn't he just he just couldn't do what he would know what he was used to doing. So he has to be right and look. When when when when Jeff asked Brad about it the sound bite that we played earlier in a pod. I didn't play the front of it. But what Jeff asked him outright was basically like so I've watched him play for I've watched kembo play since College. He clearly wasn't right at the end of last year and Brad. He said yeah, huh. That's what Danny said too. When not at all dispel that and he was like, yeah, you know, it's all about strengthening the thing you're talking about stuff. You know, that's like, you know, I really like we gotta we gotta do the best we can to keep this thing going. I mean, you know, just some of the quotes here and Bobby you wrote the story, you know, just you know, it's the bulb Was unique four months off different changes ramping up, you know, that's a good point too. He Distinctions and they're the if we go back to July. He basically showed up at our back Center. They had no clue as going on it sounded like and all of a sudden that needs to start firing up. So who knows what she was doing there in those four months, who knows? What kind of regimen he was on it was clear him and Grant were working out together in Charlotte. So there was probably some work being done. There may be more work than needed to be done. The point is now he's going to be in Boston this weekend. She is strengthening the knee. Yeah, they have a month to work on that stuff similar to what it was at the bubble. He shows up he tries to do basketball at home. It's you know, like it's I mean, this is this is my point don't you think they manage it fairly well in the bubble and now the conditions are even more ideal than manage it Somebody's gotta play. He's got a place 72 games plus playoff here. And again, I know they're going to manage it but you gotta you gotta really fat. You don't have the benefit of an offseason to do a bunch of different things again people with conditions like this. You do spend some time doing just wage. Away from basketball activities strengthening the areas around the knee too. So it can withstand a little bit more cuz you can't do that kind of stuff during the season. There's too many riggers, you know, and now it's going to be an accelerated timetable to get this thing up and running. I mean you may be looking at no back-to-backs, you know, and you know, possibly up to what twenty to twenty-five out of the 72 games off him. We're just overcome that that's a lot cuz you don't you do not have Personnel to overcome it, you know at all as you said so and that's what makes me question like with some of them maybe like that their free-agent targets or like their draft. I mean, you can't tell me that if Kim is going to miss a third of the Season that they couldn't have used another guard more than we don't know off here the ultimately this is I mean we go back to this every single time. Jayson Tatum's going to have to do a ton like a ginormous world is going to have to be undertaken by him and it feels like he's ready for it. But this is what we talked about the stuff you wanted to you know, you mentioned it earlier Bobby. It means Tatum as the ball in his hands more. And again, there's things if you fill the floor with Shooters, I like that that's not a bad thing necessarily, but if we should have isoball Tatum needs to score 45 to save them every night that's going to be a mess. You know, that's not going to be a great situation is going to be so frustrating, you know, you know what you mentioned earlier thought it might be Marcus Smart who starts to do a little too much more stress to think he needs a little too much you want to see this locker-room get torn apart when Marcus starts taking 22 shots of game. We are concerned about that long shot that that's like a roughly what fifteen shots from camber, you know ten to Fifteen shots. Now, they're going to go elsewhere Jayson Tatum on a good night is already taking that number. I mean how many shots Is he going to end up taking so I mean the the ball will get spread around the well the point there is he's not pulling from guys say kemba's out. You know hayward's gone. He just got these younger. He's not necessarily calling from anywhere now, unless Aaron they Naismith comes out here and starts laying in the Earth on fire next month and he's not pulling from anyone and his production was good enough last year. I saw today. He was one of the ten best spot-up shooters in the NBA last year Marcus Smart that is on Captain shoot threes. Yeah, so it's not he was actually top five almost all year long and catching screen. Shoot three. Yeah. I mean so like the issue in the bubble where you had the chairs find everything else like guys are pulling from each other now, it's a little more Consolidated but you just gotta get some shots for smart Brown Tatum, like that's almost works out a lot of issues we talked about it's just do these guys have the capability to get it done as the ball-handler brown freeing himself and smart, you know continuing that production next year right? Let me go ahead and page. Richards ready to play I mean that may have went into their pick. I mean some people are certain a little bit on that. But I mean we saw, you know, we saw it happen they gave away their their last there last first round picks up to like what? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean we then we debate last week want to make her antique all of a sudden. I'm not like I'm not frontin want to make her any more like Jeff. He's a guy you want there. If Kim was in the spot you're looking at a guy who's like going to try to do Kemba things. It's more of a t Grohl, you know, like that's what he does like help a lot like that that move has a completely different connotation. Now that the Embers out like 50 ft is starting for you on nights. We're Tampa isn't going nobody's talking up a lot. I mean, it just means like you said Bobby that guys are going down a little bit bigger overrules. We haven't even mentioned Jaylen Brown. I mean, he's the guy that everyone saw take a little bit of a leap in the bubble. But then in the playoffs it felt like he was almost just watching a little bit too much so maybe He's a guy that you know steps up here a little bit. I know he's not like a ball-handler like him or anything like that, but he could take some of those shots. He can you know, add on to his game a little bit and you know the exact you know, it's unfortunate that you don't want to have to play your young guys. And I don't I imagine they're going to try to limit their but it's too cuz they don't trying to tire everybody out and games one through twenty. You know what I mean? Like Faith easy if we're just talking about the players on the court here like throw side all the books all the asset management all that stuff you sort of do end up in a spot here that we talked about like making this all about money and brown. He cleared a lot of the other guys out of the way and not not necessarily smart here, but smart gives you value on the other end and it's all about those two at this point. Now the problem is you have a damaged a send-off you got nothing for Hayward yet as as of now probably look to that trade too and see what's going to come back for that. There's a lot of management things that we can still rip Danny for it, but in terms of what's there on the court next year for just thinking about them? They can work with this. Well, let's let's do it. Let's rip Danny a little bit, but first off. I know the two way anyway, so let me let's let's quickly tell people about the sponsor manscaped biggest grooming our friends and manscape here or remind you to take care of your biggest grooming and hygiene needs from head to toe with the all-in-one. Manscape performance package kit. What do you get out of this lawn mower 3.0? That's that's good stuff, right. There are there that's key for the close shave down there weed wacker ear ear and nose hair trimmer also the crop preserver, which is deodorant for down below. You've got foot powder, which is a foot duster. You have manscaped cologne. You have a carry-on bag boxer briefs that keep the whole keep keep your junk together and you get all of that and you get 20% off. That's the best part 20% off and free shipping with the code Garden 20 at manscaped.com once again twenty years. Off and free shipping with the code Garden 20 at manscaped.com. So let's get into it briefly guys. Okay. So the Gordon Hayward situation, I did wash dressed this before we wrap it up. Jimmy's got dates. He's got he's got low winds. He's gotta get he's gotta get going, codes rear its ugly head. In ages. Well, you're being responsible Jimmy and we thank you for it. But your girl watching I mean sliding. I mean it's all good. But anyways, not what we do here. So here's what the reports and again this stuff's going to come out and it's really hard to just you know, people are going to jump on stuff because it's going to kind of suit their narrative and it's what people do all the time. So I'm going to avoid doing that. However long the reason I'm more inclined to believe that this might be true is because it actually hurts Danny's case to find out you know, that this if this would be true that Gordon that they were about to offer a hundred thousand and the Pacers were too so so the reports are Celtics and Pacers each were offering the numbers have been thrown around north of a hundred and up to 1:10, which is way higher than thought and not too too far off from the 120. He got from Charlotte. And so when you piece it all together again, we're trying to kind of sleuth this together to you're looking at what Gordon Didn't want to come here at the Celtics offer was what it was told them. He didn't want to be here. They worked out an extension seemingly to get the Indiana trade done feels like Danny kind of held his cards a little bit too long and Charlotte swooped in it's possible. Gordon always was going to wait and see but the reason I don't believe it is that two-day extension never would have been granted if Gordon wanted to see the market first you go to juice left on Tuesday off to doubt that extension existed simply to complete this deal to send Gordon away from Boston, which he clearly didn't want if the money was the same to Indiana for money. That was roughly the same as what Boston was offering and it appears that the reason behind not doing this is Danny didn't like Myles Turner. So we're back to the is something better than nothing to be here Thursday we had before and again, I was firmly in the and a lot all of us were I think something is better than nothing take it it learned to enjoy Miles Turner and move on and if off Is what it came and again, you're hearing different people say different things Kevin O'Connor on his podcast was trying to give to anybody the benefit of the doubt. He's a bit of a I'm not going to call him a Hummer but he's sympathetic to the Celtics situation here. He doesn't want to Heap on them. But he's saying this just sounds like Danny bashed it. I don't know how we're going to walk away from this thinking anything, but that maybe maybe we do but I don't know. This is Danny clearly fell short is he didn't get that? It's a mismanaged situation. It sounds like in one that again. I believe that you know, if this happened to another organization, we watched a rival organization right now have have a mess something up like this loose star players year-over-year lose assets get nothing in return. We would be burying them burying. Yeah my takes til the February one you go back to February and say did offer them then anticipate what can be coming later in terms of a deal in terms of what you might have to pay for him. Fire in a different places and the first guy with the pitchforks if gaining is treated Gordon Hayward trade them. Well now I'm using some revisionist history there some retrospective to you know, anticipate what ultimately happened and say if you're in that position and have an idea that that might happen that might be the best way to asset manage then because you get back to your in a better position. Oh, well, I always thought about it with Kyrie. Like if you really think you're going to lose him at the end of the year. There's a strong case here to move them because once you get to that point, I was all in on Kyrie moving more sense because you knew Kyrie hated it here. You're in a position of strength. I would have anything for Kyrie there anything you Jimmy, you know, we had this game is a million times is against the thing is though in those spots you say. Oh, maybe they can win. Maybe they can do it. And that's where the Celtics ultimately went with that now right now, I'm firmly in Danny's dead. On this and you know, you can roll the tape to last week. What was the lower me and Jimmy talking about when we were discussing Indiana package here Turner's just yeah, like what do people imagine when they think Jake Turner? Like I put a pictures of Anthony Davis and just these guys because I don't know what people were watching all these years not to mention when he played with Kemba Tatum Brown and smart on the name is a nobody likes Turner Bobby. Yeah, not people don't love trying to we were trying to talk ourselves into it. But the argument was simply I like the Thompson was coming around the corner kick in the group chat with this is what drives me nuts. The Celtics had a plan a and and mucked it. Let's not pretend that plan b or c was in fact plan a and possibly even better than plan a it wasn't this is not what Danny Wanted. Let's go back to that one. That went. Let's say the package was Doug McDermott who just kind of stinks like he is a mediocre Wing play a.m. And Turner a fairly mediocre Center here for Tristan Thompson. And this is where we disagree John we have two different visions of what Tristan Thompson could be for this team. I think he's a game-changer Jimmy's close in my Camp here, but you know, you always an option Bobby. I'm not saying that I don't disagree that it could you could trip into this working again. Okay, but it wasn't the plan not plan a they were not prepared to let Gordon walk because all cobbled together. They did not want to lose the asset for nothing it that is what happened. Now you're saying shoulder-shrug. We never know it could work out but it wasn't the plan. So there's no reason to defend it. It was my question is at what point they figured out that they could go to a Thompson because don't you think the option was there to eat Nicolas Batum and the options still there to do something with Charlotte Ki boys talking about Terry Rozier. I don't think that's possible at this point, but they chose to just let Hayward walk in that situation instead of it shows nothing. It was chosen for them. There was always a chance I Charlotte need a ten million in relief to do this. Do you think they wanted to just cut off to whom and eat ten million dollars a year? They're like they could have worked someone's asking here is Kim but injured the answer is yes. That's why we started this stream a few people jumping in late. We are catching you up. Kemba Walker not injured but it's a lot easier to Ranger. Is he heard you had an update on it? Will Circle back to that later cuz people are asking but yeah, go ahead by break the tie here Jimmy. I mean, where do you see this now if the Celtics along the way in these Ninja The breaks the tie on your side. I'll just bring in more people Bobby if we if we look back in the situation. I'm not afraid to go what on V either I don't care if we look back on the situation and say Danny in Indiana talking for days and days and days all of a sudden La those to La teens that possibly could have taken Thompson went in different directions and the Celtics find out there the top shooters after Tristan Thompson if they walk away from this, I think that's a realistic possibility and a good move. So yeah, I don't even know what I don't even know what we're trying to say anymore plan is and plan it was either Joe or John you didn't you couldn't I understand what you're saying. I just don't think that it's it's this is no different than saying cantoran. Kemba was better than Horford and I recall you you are under State and Christian faith and so much and there's no point is this is no reason to pretend the thing that you're doing because this is where you are right now, which still might be good was what you intended to do. It was dead. What did you want them to do? It's not what I wanted. This. This is where we're stuck on this argument. It is not what I wanted. It is clearly what they wanted which was not to have this happen. And now this is what's that zip code set to on his podcast in terms of the assets that we're talking about here because they still have assets when you think about it Thompson for two years. When you think about the trade exception that could be coming back which we also debate about the other day. They they canvassed the league apparently on Miles Turner's value as a secondary trade Target for three years eighteen million a year and teams didn't want them but no one around the lead the Pacers are begging teams right now, but I know no one wants some yeah. So what do you type Doug McDermott useless as an asset Myles Turner next to useless as an asset. So are you really salvaging much there by getting those two guys gave you this. Can you drag his corpse along with you until his contract is up and then dump the expiring just to have the asset I get it's it's what it comes down to it's whether or not you want to not have one or not have the salary job. Books and and and and completely let the asset walk at this point you're in mid-level exception land and that's where they are and they got Tristan Thompson and it's a Band-Aid and it's the best that they could do given the circumstances. All right, Jimmy jump in on that one. Well, no, so here's I mean, I'm I'm going to say a few things one clearly. It looks like it was not plan a to to have this situation for the sauce last year planted in happen either. It was planned be what it worked went out Warford walked when Kyrie Irving what they ended up with Kemba Walker and now here we are with Kemba Walker they they you know, like if we were able to get Kemba Walker in the Centre with Charlotte, so they made the most out of a pretty shity situation there. And Danny Ainge has actually done that a good amount over the last ten years, you know life can be is kind of worked out whether it's you know, getting Isaiah Thomas and catchy lightning-in-a-bottle there, you know, and and he's you know, when you look at some of the mistakes they made in the NBA draft he's been able to sort of dead. Keep them competitive by making some big meal Marcus Morris. The other thing I want to say is this we're writing off. We're writing off this Pacers trade right now. I'm blanking on his name. We were just talking about Myles Turner. Thank you. Myles. Turner isn't bad. Stephen A guy who's been able to acquire some guys at lower value and make them in the better play 25 for exactly. Why is the entirely giving that's what I mean is like I would rather bring in players like that for Brad, right? I mean, what is what is Brad? What is Brad's use if it's not too long take some of these young guys, you know, put him into a good culture get him under his way. She's better at than what they're good at and get them away from what they're not doing. Well get them, you know, the whole Celtics, you know franchise get him out of India. Maybe you culture change is good for guys that just out the window. Oh, the rest of the league doesn't want to trade for him. So your stuff like seeing wanna I don't know if it's at these big job. You bring a guy in you can add he's better than nothing. So maybe he's not your ideal. It's not nothing now. And again, his roster spot is better than what so, even if you could make the case, he's more valuable than Thomas and like John said he turns into an expiring contract the last year of his deal. Worst case scenario. He does still feel a need again. I haven't watched every single game mouse turner, but I know what he does. I know what he does. Okay, and I think that there's room for growth there. So you can't just tell me. Oh, yeah Celtics weren't interested. They didn't want to do the job instead of the real quick more to the plan a factor take Turner out of it the fact that the Celtics seem to be willing to go. Well past a point that any of us thought that they would get a contract with Hayward means that they looked at their roster and they said we need this and putting everything and couldn't get it done. And so that's two-fold as one for whatever reason. The hundred and ten or wherever they were willing to go which we would have considered to be a massive overpay for hair Hayward and it was well within range of what he ended up getting something. They desperately wanted to do couldn't make it home and then they were in a shit or get off the pot situation. Maybe you guys do the Pacers trade you don't love or he walks and again, it just comes back to this. We are debating whether or not we like Myles Turner instead of debating whether or not I like having something rather than nothing in the Hayward to argue Thompson something but I'll give that yeah, Bobby Bobby saying it's not something for nothing. It's it's either Turner or time. You always knew a place like Thompson was possible cuz we when we talked about early in the offseason worst-case scenarios for Hayward, he walks and you get the mid-level and we look through a bunch of guys and we said I guess this guy he mentioned Thompson and every scenario we viewed that as a consolation prize. I don't know why we're now looking at it as if it was both more better, then there's two different mid log. If you're a pet taxpayer, you can offer five million if you're a non-taxpayer, you can offer ten million and that ten million is why you get Thompson. He wanted to take in ten million for two years. They give twenty million for two years because you didn't get those players back. That's my point. It was either or in that situation. You can either take the money back from Indiana still be a taxpayer team and get maybe I don't know states with the Celtics wanted to do is what it could have been. I mean, that's why you possibly could have walked away from the table. I'll give you guys this stuff. Could you have made a bigger deal with Indiana than we talked about this last week put in Romeo Langford bird put in some other guys and try to get you had to do I think that's a good question. Now, I'm struggling they would have done that throwing in Romeo Langford. I'm TJ Warren. Yeah, so if you could get there and they chose not to I think that's a fair criticism if you couldn't get to warn and again, I don't like Oladipo that much either but if you couldn't get Oladipo Thursday, You wanted them. I just it's it's Turner and McDermott and you have the chance to sign Thompson instead. I walk away from that too. If I'm in that spot again when we talked about Thompson. This offseason, I didn't think they could actually get him. I thought the Lakers would scoop him up. I thought the Clippers would like I thought he would be westbound easily. I'm so shocked. They they could get him and maybe it was just odd but the might actually concerns me. But anyway the fact that they could get a big wonder whether other people know something we don't but I again I think Thompson will be fine. I think needs to be far short of a game-changer. I think he's going to be okay. I don't think it's better than I think plan a was actually horrible was actually Hayward on an overpay versatile take a look at your scenario junk coming from Indiana overpay for Hayward where they are now, like I would have ranked from Hayward one overpay for Indiana to where they are now three, that's me. So, yep. Your number one would have been keeping them at a hundred. I wouldn't I want a hundred if if you could have convinced Hayward to do for a hundred I would have done that. I wouldn't think I think I would have done that too. I think that was option one. The project was Hayward clearly didn't want it said but I'll do Indiana. I'm take a HomeTown discount there and then Danny stuck Indiana thought they had leverage because Hayward clearly didn't want to play for Boston Danny thought he had it cuz he thought them work it out there with Indiana with Miami and New York Charlotte effed-up the whole game. I don't know whether what I don't know is is in if in in the are doppelgangers in Indiana right now, are they yelling at each other? Like we're good a frigate at Hayward and we we blew it. I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah, we don't know what the Pacers yeah, Now the report was that they're offering a hundred but you know, what about like in a sign-and-trade situation the Pacers people I start out there really wanted them and they they were ready to dump Turner for reasons. I've mentioned and Ed. They're probably pretty bummed this income together. I don't know what I don't know. What would have gotten it done. Then if Oladipo was a concern and that was never going to be a straight-up swap. You take him in a contract year. I don't know where how that deal gets done. Am I think you'd have to take a bigger. If you want to know a Depo suddenly smart and Kemba get involved if you want to do waran. Oh, that's great so much, you're sending prospects well because of the money there if if you want to do warrant and Turner, you're sending a link for your sending a Rob Williams, which I don't think any of us would have had huge problems with no. But again, how much is TJ Warren? You could have those guys and their children. You know, how long does make sure you do their first born? I like them. I would have done that potential deal for it take just cuz you need wing dip we're back with semi ojeleye now, so you would have addressed Center and the wing in that trade. I would not have done Oladipo. I just want to say that our chat has devolved into one or two Raptors fans really agitating a bunch of selfish friends there. The Raptors fans are here for you Bobby and they're dead. Little bit of a border signing Aron Baynes up in Toronto a little bit of a border war going on here. Expands and Raptors fans are going to have to get along down in those comments at some point or Another Life. Yeah. Well go into the Tampa Bay around right about the Celtics right. Now. The Celtics are the Raptors people just leave us, you know, you know, right they just laid off. So we're going to wrap it because again, we're going to go in circles here. But again just to recap at the start of the show. We did tell you guys about Kemba Walker. This is not a new injury some people in chat were asking your it's the same knee injury that forced him, you know to be kind of a little maintenance situation when he was in the bubble that flared up page during the season a couple of times and then again when he started resuming basketball activities before action in the bubble started required a little bit of Maintenance, he was slow to get started Brad Stevens was on a podcast app. Today on the clns media network with Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman and gave a little insight saying not so sure Ken was going to be ready. So this one of the reasons we came out to talk about this developing situation money. Definitely check out that interview either on our YouTube channel what you're on right now many of you can see the whole video interview their subscribe as well because you will get access to these live chats. When we do both of you will get a notification check out that podcast as well Ryan and Goldman podcast to get great guests super interesting conversation basketball college and pro two of the best in the business too in the best we've ever thought about Brian, you know needs no introduction and obviously. Jeff knows everybody super well-connected here at all levels of basketball. So definitely check that out and then the second thing was uh contract. Um details came out something some Pacers offering Gordon Hayward a little bit over a hundred million over four years. And the question did the Celtics do everything they could do to maximize wage. Situation and the debate rages on so I'll give you guys closing thoughts here before we go and we thank our sponsor one last time Celtics fans. You're going to love Tristan Thompson and John and Sylvia believe it by the end of the year as well. I like Tristan Thompson. I don't you're going to love him. Okay, you guys thoughts on Thompson huge fan big fan of the car damage too. So happy to welcome them to Boston. My my closing thought is I am officially full-time Campbell watch now moving forward. I think that I think I'm Gordon hayward's talk see you later. We barely know you will say around I'm concerned about the players that are on this team moving forward. So I'm turning my attention to Kim Walker and I want to see how he's his knee responds to, you know being back in the court and I'm hoping that having a regular, you know, sort of rehab or whatever you want to call log. Routine in Boston in a great facility with great team doctors in the likes in Boston that maybe it's not as bad as it's it. Sounded what what I'm going to delude myself into believing is that this is going to be a dynamite draft class. So I'm putting all my eggs in the Naismith Pritchard basket to make contributions this year beyond what we've seen any rookies make in the last couple of years. That's one number to the thing I'm concerned with is Kardashian influence on Jayson Tatum that freaking terrifies me my question guys back and terrifies me mister soft-spoken mister soft-spoken lived with his mom up until last year. You know l a boy. All of a sudden is like woah, I've got all this money and this is cool. I'm worried. He couldn't get the hoop last year. I'm worried about Tatum. I'm worried a little bit. Yeah. He's got that he's got money now. Yep. So yeah, who you started when campers out? You got smart the wings a center Naismith Grant or Teague. Did you really think rent like with a straight face off Grant could be the four with that group? All right, we're going to we're going to let Bobby go here. We'll talk about that some other, you know, anyway, thank you guys for joining this as a off my emergency pod, but we want to sneak one in before the holiday. Bobby has to make all Thanksgiving dinner this year cooking cooking starts tonight. So I also got a lot of wine to get me through it. But you know what? I enjoy I'm going to do it. Yes. I got a lot of prep work tonight to I got to make a bunch of Pies tomorrow. What kind everybody likes one pumpkin one blueberry, but we've found make we gotta make a few side dishes as well. So we've got the bird the bird is being handled elsewhere, but we've got we've got some work to do tomorrow. So this is the last night we can do this. Thank you everybody for joining Happy Thanksgiving. No, that's it. That's it for me. Oh, sorry, Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Everybody will see you guys on the other side. Maybe this weekend if there's any news developing trade exception, who knows maybe Bogdan somehow ends up here later guys.

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Celtics Locker Room Explodes After Game 2 Loss vs Heat

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

09:54 min | 9 months ago

Celtics Locker Room Explodes After Game 2 Loss vs Heat

"A frustrating loss for the Boston Celtics in game two against the Miami Heat blowing a 17-point lead to lose by 5. I'm Sarah Goodwill here with Jose wage Jimmy Toscano and Bobby Manning. We're going to get into the post-game locker-room blow up Marcus Smart apparently storming out swearing things were thrown before we get into Thursday at what happened in specifically in this third quarter, but also down the stretch wasn't Miami's own or was it just the Celtics beating themselves in this game sucks. Well, it started with tight getting whacked across the head there and coming out of the game and can't there comes in and they give up three monstrous dunks on the role of the bam. I thought that's where they start to lose themselves a little bit and then the offense fell apart. I think they finished 148 in that third quarter. So both ends. They're falling apart on both sides. I think Brad said they didn't do anything right in that third quarter between the quarters so dead. They didn't do much of anything in that third quarter and it didn't drag and then the fourth they started the fourth. Well, they held the heat the two of eleven. They hit the bonus, you know Brown obviously had a big stretch to try to win the game. But so I was kind of stunned that the locker room blew up because I look at this and said they just gotta fix like 1/4 here and then to see them just throwing things across the locker room apparently was drawing from it. Yeah, I think a little bit of both the Celtics. I thought defensively they just started lighting up. It was they weren't the same team that we saw in the first half rebounding. Yeah. Yeah. I thought a lot of that came down to effort it seemed like he wanted it more but you know to to Bobby's point when they held Miami it seemed like the the water was running dry and that offense, you know, sometimes it seems like you know with live or die by the three of them like they were dying by in that Port Colborne and then the Celtics I just thought it was poor shot selection by the selfish and specifically I'm looking at Marcus Smart now, I don't know if this is a direct correlation. It's not fair to assume but obviously I'm my mind is going there moments after the game one. That's the particular was I mean, we're talking about under two minutes left to go. He's got he's completely defended and he wants to do a contestant Fade Away jump shot and try to check. Yeah, I'd want it to be, you know, a little a little hero is my opinion that and that is been okay, that's fine. And then he doesn't it doesn't again, you know the ball swinging which was doing what she was doing. So well in that firsthand, I'm like, wow look at the Celtics offense. The way it should be and it gets the market smart where he could had at least two more passes could have seen in that possession of behind the arc. He Chucks it again. I just thought careless possessions like that was starting to stack up and when you see someone like Marcus Smart, or at least you hear about Marcus Smart being the one that was freezing in that locker room, you can't help but wonder if there's a direct correlation between those two possessions and what was being said in the locker room, Yeah for me it was it was a sloppiness. Definitely shot selection. I mean, I I agree with you guys and habits 20 turnovers, you know, you're letting the heat get out and transitioned. You're not really getting out in transition on your on your own now. And again, how much of it is mental how much of it is them saying? Okay, here we go. Again. It's another third-quarter lead. They were slowly watching dwindle away here because they did. You know, finally you should come somewhat back to Earth in the fourth quarter there and and you know, the both teams are going back and forth, but to be out scored twenty points in third-quarter in the Eastern governments finals and we use this point. You're a good team, right and you shouldn't be out sport like that. You shouldn't have to make a thirteen point lead evaporate that quickly and I think what you saw in the locker room was just frustration. I mean in all the players and coaches are going to see in the right thing off the game and I believe them to that. I don't think I I don't think these guys don't like each other. I think they do like each other and listen, you know, they're around each other twenty-four-seven right now, right? I mean they played a lot of game You know every other every other day and this one is testing their mental fortitude because they're down owed to this is most adversity they faced as a team and you know, their backs are up against a wall. So they're airing out the agreement is and and I expect to see them come out, you know with some togetherness in game three. Yeah, you know, it's a problem when the Celtics two best players have more turnovers in the entire heat combined slash. Wow, huge issue tonight in game two, but back to the lock because we heard from Jaylen Brown Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker Marcus Smart declined to talk to the media after the game right left early, but they really downplayed it. They said listen we were emotional you're not supposed to be happy when your download too and played a bad game that you feel like you should have one. Kemba Walker reiterating was nothing it was nothing we're fine. Is this locker room blow up kind of the Kyrie team 2.0 bad situation. You're going to drop the key word wage. Or Canter, I know that the Celtics team is after two frustrating games where they could have if not should have come out on Monday. It's so hard to say without the context of what happened and they're like we can try to piece things together. But ultimately it looks like maybe something got said too smart and he reacted that way because of the fact that he didn't talk to the media after he left the locker room swearing and said y'all and some bullshit or whatever you set out there that does it on. Yeah that that wasn't thought that was what makes me a little fearful that situation now if I look at it more positive like we've seen Brad over the last few days say some things about this team like we didn't even need to watch film because it's obvious when I came back in transition what I already mentioned between the third and fourth quarters tonight and so he's not a guy who's going to blow up on the team. We just know that seven years in he's not dead. Either one smashed on the clipboard in the pieces like Steve Kerr. So maybe Marcus Smart had to do that job and just really weigh a fist in the team. But you know with what Joe sway said about how he ended the game and how things seem to transpire there. I don't think that's exactly how that went. So no practice tomorrow. I just hope this some good communication because they don't have a long time to fix those things. Like if they just come on and do the same thing on a Saturday, but seriously over. Yeah. The clock is taken for sure Bobby and I'm with you man. I think with Marcus Smart getting that emotional if I had to assume and of course, that's what I'm doing right now. There's something that happened in there and I think it's something that could be fixed. That's the luxury of being with that core that course all these players. I guess. Mine is Kemba Walker have your two plus years to get it back or going through adversity through playoff series just like this, you know, they've never trailed this much. So, you know throughout this playoffs. They never been down to a game they've been down at all. So I think you have to take that into consideration when you think about how emotional they are after a game. This was another game that we could have easily won. Another winnable game. Also, keep in mind yesterday marked the anniversary of Marcus Smart's mother's death for passing this bubble experience Arirang overlooking how difficult it really is but these players after right, you know, I don't know if I don't know if that Rings true for every single team or or most players in the NBA, but I think because of the summer have that type knit group and that the way they've been all season long. I think they only have each other right now, you know, and that sound too emotional but I mean, that's what I that's situation. That's what it is. So I think they got back together. I think they don't have a choice and I think they're all competitors that have been through adversity and have been through this before. I really don't think the series is over. I don't I think that's a good point just wait and I think it's weighing heavily on Brad Stevens. Well people obviously are giving him crap for being outcoached in this series, but I feel like almost multiple times a week. He's saying how frustrated he is with not having his family around job. It's past but it's definitely something to consider as you see him consistently be short and press conferences and stuff. It's hard. It's a hard situation for sure. Yeah, you know, you don't like to see, you know, your your teammates yelling at each other but we've been following this team out here and I don't mind over your head off. Yeah, exactly. I know that's a little much but I've never gotten the violent these guys don't like each other and I did kind of get that Vibe last season. So I'm definitely not taking it as a huge negative. I think they're emotional after a loss was subjected to Marcus Smart maybe or maybe just an emotional guy anyways, and maybe it was something very minor and he and he enlisted Marcus Smart. He watches the film. He probably would take he probably would take back that shot that he that he took so he doesn't need to hear what he takes the best shot. I'm sure so if that's what it was, I'll be a little disappointed and I think it's more like these guys just need to wake each other up a bit odd. To be Brad does need to take on a little bit. I know that's not his style. But maybe if you did that last year, maybe it wouldn't have felt like kind of done it Jimmy like he's been tough on them statement why it's like he's just not going to turn red and explode. Hopefully he is like that more behind-the-scenes. I'm just trying to figure out ways by the players are feel they need to go and each other, you know, when when if the coach isn't already doing it. There's no reason to add salt in the room at the coach just reamed out the entire team. They wouldn't need to remind each other right you you you made a good point Jimmy. They're young. They did the youngest finals team ever. So this is still something you have to page. They they keep talking about not you know complain about calls not getting back and they're still doing that. So like this lapses, they're they're young but they're not an experience. So it only goes so far for those excuses, especially this deep in the playoffs now, but for all the rest of our Celtics coverage, you can find out on our website at CNS media, and on our YouTube channel at self. It's all access.

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Kemba Walker Back At Celtics Practice

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

04:43 min | 5 months ago

Kemba Walker Back At Celtics Practice

"Kemba Walker has returned to practice. Thank the Lord after some lengthy time off rehabilitate rehabilitating his left knee right channels and Bobby Manning here. Bobby, says, he's feeling good feeling better than he did in the bubble, which is huge. Just how good of news is this. I love that. Thank the Lord. He's back this going to be a huge addition for the team. That way it felt like tomorrow could have been the day you were stacked. So on Friday before the Celtics played the Wizard's and now it said he would be back to practice we would probably get four practices in before tomorrow and dead animals back and reported that tomorrow is the targeted date for him to come back now, that's obviously not going to happen. Danny Ainge went on the radio this morning and said it's not going to be ready to go for tomorrow today was just his first practice and he dead or alive. He was just doing some up and down work with the other guys to get into their conditioning after not playing not practicing for a week. So things have changed on that front unsurprisingly probably going to age another week I would imagine of just ramping him up getting him into some five-on-five action and seeing how he responds which is pretty much what Brad Stevens said today but back at practice earlier than I think anyone imagine I know I thought I would probably be February before we'd see him in a game and here we are in January 14th probably days from seeing him play again yeah absolutely now obviously it's a little too early to tell me that he didn't go you know a hundred percent at practice but do you have any idea of what he might look like when he does ultimately returned so Stephen said today they'll page me looks like Kemba again and that would indicate that he booked something close to what we saw in the Philadelphia Series last year great spot-up shooting twitchiness able to bounce around screens change directions all those things are important defensively they're going to want him ready to go and let's remember this 267 Celtics still in quarantine birth Now so if he's going to be playing it would have to be heavy minutes. So that could be part of the consideration now too. There's only 8 Celtics available a heading into tomorrow night with all the quarantines continuing off. So the rush might not be at the highest level to put them into action right away. If he does come back obviously, he would be limited compared to some of the other players out there for the first few games so often covet did not help the health situation of this team by any means but the answer the question you're going to want to see something very similar to the all-star form. At least the you know, high-level play that game Saw early in the postseason last year when he's coming back now should he returned to his former glory just how scary can the Celtics team be? What is he going to do? What is he going to add to this offense? Well, they're going to be in the running for the best offense in the NBA the way they playing right now. I'll be interested to see what kind of role he fits into right away. Now certainly you'll love to have him to rotate wage. The bench units to lead those vents units with some usually and those type of guys to keep the offense rolling through those periods. That's what they've done with Tatum. They've done it successfully with brown as well. So all of a sudden you'll have three guys and pretty much an entire game where you can have an All-Star level player leading the offense through those stretches. So that's going to be the first point there. But you know, he's not the best defender in the world, but we can say about him is he's positionally sound he switches. Well, he finds you know, scrambling men on the floor effectively, like he's always in a great position and tries really hard defensively and not be better than what they're getting at those guard spots right now between some of the other players like Peyton Pritchard and others who have filled in there so far and you know with how well Pritchard played all of a sudden he can lead a ton of life. So the team will be a little bit deeper. They'll have another explosive offensive weapons certainly and all of a sudden he'll be finding it to more of a secondary role than Tatum than brown dog. Going to reap the benefit of extra space just like other players have he hasn't been the best off ball shooter in his career so far, but it would be nice to start to see him progress into that aspect of his career and more space off with the doubles and all those different things that hate him receives will help him a hundred percent there. Yeah. Absolutely. It's definitely going to be nice. Just having that depth like you said, especially with covid-19.

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407: The Celtics SHOULD WANT Brooklyn in Round One w/ Ian Thomsen

Celtics Beat

55:21 min | Last month

407: The Celtics SHOULD WANT Brooklyn in Round One w/ Ian Thomsen

"Today is Thursday May 6th and this is Celtic speed on the clns media Network. The leading online provider of audio video coverage of the Boston Celtics. I'm Adam Kaufman. Episode 407 features a long time and be a writer Ian. Thompson is powered by betonline.ag go to bed online today and use the promo code, clns 54, fifty percent. Sign up bonus track. Well, here we are again twice in 1 week, for a little Celtics beat talk. Boston, Celtics, talk y, y, 2 and 1 week because when the Celtics go out and win by, like seventy five points just feels like something you're supposed to celebrate that, and we want to please our advertisers. So thank you very much for being here with us. We've got Ian Thompson. He is of course, very familiar to our listeners. I would think been on the show a number of times long time and very successful and be a writer and Valenti. Who I think everybody is certainly familiar with at this point as well. Producer sometimes host to the program, I'm Adam Kaufman, we appreciate you being here and Ian. You most especially we'd be here regardless, but you are being particularly generous with your time. How are you? Great, thanks. Great to be with you, appreciate it. So, let's, let's get into this off to spend too much time on the Celtics winning in Orlando. Like, obviously the Celtics were supposed to go out and beat a depleted, very, you know, lacking in Talent magic team that I mean, it was really dead. It was the the mo Wagner Bowl. It was just the the mo Wagner narrative game for him to go out and and decimate. The Celtics, there was one point I saw. It was a very Sean, Grandy tweet from Sean, Grandy saying that you'll never had as as much offensive production. This first nine minutes against the Celtics. As he had in his entire time with the Celtics, he just went out. He was, you know, block and Geico is rain in threes decimating, the team until, you know, water found its level and reality set in the Celtics. Like I said, went out in one handedly by just about forty points, it was not a competitive game Jason tayden, terrific Kemba Walker outstanding after a four-game absence and we'll get into a lot of that him coming back from injuries and the overall rest plan. It's been a big talking point of M48. A video tribute and good successful eighteen Point performance against his old team Jaylen Brown. He did not play, but according to Danny Ainge earlier today, he expects to be back in the lineup, Sunday, so he will miss them. Contest against the Bulls Friday night in Chicago, but things are maybe just maybe, as we get toward the end of the regular season here in scoreboard, watching all of us and trending in the right direction. What do we think? God, we do not know what to think storytelling dollars. We know we know we will not be talking about more Wagner like a year from now we know that much but as soon as you think you know what to think about the Celtics you realize you didn't know what you were thinking about. It's just and part of it is the season. I think it's really hard to draw conclusions from the season overall. I mean we're going heading into the playoffs. There is no super team in the NBA right now there just isn't because you don't know who's playing for these teams. You don't know who's going to be available how well they'll be able play. It's a result of covid-19. The compressed schedule will just to me. It's been a bit of a disaster dead. A greedy disaster. That's that's hurt the league rather than at the expense of, you know, some extra dollars. So you put it all together and it's off. I think everybody's just trying to get through the bus, they can, everybody not just the Celtics. It's been waiting for people in Boston, to watch the Celtics, but you are not alone. I think all over in a week separate places like Phoenix. Um, it's just been really, really hard to watch this season and to really decide on anything to say. Okay, this is a fact, this is the way it is. The Lakers are going to win. Well, maybe they aren't even get gal. The first round. Now, the wait means may be shaping up for themselves. Might not get to the first round. They might not get out of the playoff tournament. Exactly. So it's, it's just a crazy year, in the sense, It may be the most interesting playoff since last summer. Yeah. You know we just don't know what's going to happen which is unusual in the MBA at the same time people are going to look back on this season, you know, the Denver Nuggets end up winning with Jamal Murray being out. Was that say about the credibility of this postseason tournament, that's coming up and down, that really could happen the way they've been able to overcome things. So, anyway, point is worth the Celtics. I just don't know what to. I don't know of any conclusions to draw from, except I'm really intrigued to see what needs to happen to your point, though. I mean, we were kind of saying this not a year ago at this point, obviously. But back in the, the August September playoffs and all that. Whenever it was the year officially finished up hard to offer at this point. But, you know, the it, what happened, what, what did end up happening was still what we all thought was going to happen before the pandemic. Hey, the Lakers went out and won the changes. Chip, you know, you weren't necessarily expecting Miami to be the team that the Lakers faced but nevertheless Los Angeles went out and LeBron Davis. They got the job done, they won the title. So you know, maybe we bought water, Finds Its level or whatever, however, we want to call it and it this, you know, coming postseason, the chalk hits again, so to speak. But is there a way I guess? I can't tell based on what you're saying, if, if you like the the sort of asterisk element of what's going on right now, you know, if you're one of those people that says, off-season this season, that's just this needs to be viewed differently in the scope of the history of the league, or if it's that much more rewarding for the teams that, and there's a little bit of luck, obviously involved, but with the teams that do persevere and ultimately come out of this thing, successful, well, it's a great question because we are used to seeing Super teams, right? And the Golden Era of the of the 1980s revolved around two super teams and you always knew one of them Boston or La was going to be there. And instead of saying boy was terrible was the same thing year after year people look back on that and say columns the greatest thing ever. You were there all the time they dominated so that would not work for the NFL. You know. It wouldn't work for baseball. I'm going but it's how we view the MBA because of the influence of the great player on on the game. And if you don't have one of those great players, you're not going to win. So how long are we? Are people going to be happy with this kind of in a selfish parody that may may come in based on injuries. James Harden's, not able to play. If LeBron is off 60%, you know, or people can be happy with that. I think they won't be. I think as much as they complain about you know the NBA being sort of a sure thing all the time. I'm we can see that it's how they've come to judge it and they understand they're going to be disappointed if they don't get to see LeBron play a long time and if the big Ketch Brooklyn aren't together, then why even watch it that kind of thing? I think that will be the approach to the season. Even if it turns out to be entirely unpredictable and, you know, shocking finishes, it'll be a little bit, like a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to see it because I just think the audiences would be smaller if the big stars or not. They're enforced. I did see something and, and having to let you go in a second, but related to that, just made me think of it. I wish I had the Tweet handy, but I saw someone tweet the other day, the wrong things, the national ratings for sporting events, just, you know, since the return of sports. So going back to, you know, obviously whenever that was however many months ago, but the return of everything. So last year's You know, truncated finish to the NBA season NHL and and, you know, obviously PGA and and baseball and football, everything that has been involved. So the top 9:15, highest-rated events, there were multiple World Series games in there. They're obviously March Madness, nothing from the NBA. There was not one single NBA game in their year, in in that, top nine, ten events since the return of sports. And I think some of that is What was going on in the bubble? I think some of that is obviously the the social justice impact where a lot of people were just kind of out on the NBA coming back last year, including some of the players who didn't even a comeback. There's, there's a very social element to to what that goes beyond the game and and Beyond the sport. But is there any amount of I don't want to say NBA popularity is is decimating because I don't believe that, but I do think there is truth to the offseason and free agency and trades and off and, you know, all all the different things that make the, you know, social media around the NBA in the offseason, all of that. So, electric, that does obviously fall absent of off of the regular season. And, and even what's happening right now? Do you do you see they're they're being kind of that correlation to what you're talking about? Where if LeBron, or Harden or some of those guys are unavailable? It's like, well, not even try, like, people just are going to tune this thing out. Yeah, I mean, yes and I also think as far as the ratings go, you know, the the whole entertainment business is transition and Nielsen which supplies the ratings. It's just been woefully behind all of this and they, they've not been keeping up with the new trends. So the system has it structured right now would be ratings The League. That's going to be the worst of all of them by the lapses in, Nielsen's ability to make sense of what's going on, is the MBA because of all the young people who watch and they watch on their phones and Wilson, does not have to take into account of that, and it's got a, a larger Global audience and that doesn't enter into it. So, I really think if that is under gauged in that way and eventually that will become apparent. You know, if there was some way to take off Account all around the world the number of people watching nobody around the world watches. Yeah. That's all or and I'm sure I know that baseball has some of them International audience but most of the world never watches compatible but all around the world people are watching the NBA. I'm not going to stay in that huge numbers but they do have that the draw from. And so in that sense, you know, it's a technical thing but it helps guide the perception that people have that the NBA's really suffering right now, I'm sure the social justice component is a big part of it, I'm sure but in these kinds of situations it's more important to be on the right side of History. If you're going to play the long game, this is a league that's been thinking for decades and decades sometime in the future. We're going to be number one and you don't want to squander that by taking the wrong side of the issues that's just so important to your your audience. So I just pulled it off. Quick just to put a bow on this from its from the sports Media, Watch Twitter account, the 10 most watched non-football sporting events since Sports went on Hiatus in March of last year. So often on football because I'm sure that would dominate this top ten. Yeah. Do you have Baylor Gonzaga was number one for obviously men's college, basketball, right behind that Gonzaga UCLA off of the Kentucky Derby at third very recently. Here, obviously yet World Series game 6 World Series. Game 5 NLCS Game. Seven Masters final round World Series game, 4 of World Series game, 1, Kentucky Derby, 2020. So I mean nothing from obviously the NBA even sniffing that and all of those in excess of or or right around, you know, ten million plus viewers. Just, I don't know, I find that to be kind of remarkable and also, the fact that the NBA Finals was just completely out of the schedule and it wasn't the destination. View anything last year because it just was very, very strange be playing at that time of year. And it wasn't part of the routine. It is a shocking Thursday. It is, but I also think that, there, there are reasons to consider a part from the idea that the league is just falling off a cliff Edge. I just, I just don't believe that. I mean, it's just a weird talking about ratings and it's that particular Heart of last year was such a weird thing and people are like well I'm not watching Bubble basketballers, not fans of this dance. Like there's a whole bunch of elements that are factored in there that that made it a very strange time, TV viewing. I just I don't put a lot of stock into that, you know, I believe is you guys believe that the FDA is doing, you know, okay. I think it'll be fine, you know, they're a more Global sport than the, you know, major sports in this country. So not worried about their growth at all or their ratings at all. But the season, you know, go back to what is going on here this season. It's been really weird. And in Boston, at regular case, you've got about injuries all over the place, you know, with the the big three in Brooklyn and, of course, LeBron and Anthony Davis in La, the over the past couple of weeks, I've become more I guess just attached to the idea that like look this has been one of the weirdest seasons in the history of the sport and Boston has been affected by covid-19 injuries more than any team in the week. And if people might want to call me a homer for that, that's fine. Look at the facts. They've had, they've had more injuries and more Miss time to Tacoma than anybody else in the league choice and it's been not just one guy or two, guys, it's gone all throughout their entire team from Marcus Smart Jayson. Tatum have been forty a, you know, Romeo Langford. I mean, you name the guy they've all been affected by something. So yeah, it's getting it back to the Celtics. It's been a very frustrating, A Team to get a hold of. I mean, you take last night in this example, they put the magic less and they wouldn't buy almost forty points. Well, not too long ago, they played Squad in Oklahoma City, they had literally, you know, a pretty, pretty similar skeleton Squad to one Orlando, and going on and they came in and embarrassed boss. You know, Boston made a comeback towards the animated. Really interesting wage. The end of the day. It's still a big L in a race. It's getting Tighter and Tighter and Tighter by the second by the game. So you even look at last night in contrast to what they've already accomplished. Its own know what, Boston Celtics team is going to end up. You know, at the end of the year being the one that we see, are we going to get the team that, you know, is fully healthy? Which we haven't seen yet at all as, as I keep saying this throughout Twitter this entire week, anybody that wants to talk to me about it. Sean deveney, greats, that the sellers of used thirty two different, starting lineups and 66 games, which is an absolutely ridiculous. Ridiculous statistic to keep trying to explain on more than four straight games I think. Yeah, they haven't used the same starting lineup for four for five straight games. It's again otherworldly. And so as we get Eliza Caesars, we come to a close and we're towards the end and we'll get into play and stuff. We're getting two chem Botana stuff. I am become. So adamant at the fact, like this is the weirdest season of all the time I have off. Too Much Time video. Trying to wrap my brain around what is really going on? Again, as we talked with a lot of other people, you know, the songs problems are multi-tiered. There is a definite roster problem with Brad has not been as sharp as ever. But of course, you know, he's not a guy in the floor shooting shots and there's the fluidity of guys that are actually healthy and not healthy changes every single game. So at the end of the day, I'm sitting here at the end of season and I'm grateful for a few things. One of them being Jayson, Tatum the only being Jaylen Brown, the health of Kemba Walker and just the growth of the young guys in this team and to get ready for the playoffs. We've had this weird season, I'm kind of just ready for it to start because I'm so exhausted over. Keeping track of who's healthy who's available who's not come back and and you know what's the playoffs start? I know there's there's an end date. There's going to be a definitive end date on the season where I can just say, look, I don't have to torture myself anymore. Watch this team anymore, I can get home. Fact that there's so many problems and there's so many different things that you need to change, but this team but at the end of the day will be all done. Shortly here. I'm just glad that. There seems to be an end to this particular race. So to speak with, in real quick. Quick, before you dive in Evans, question about expectations just related to whatever was just talking about. Assuming you guys haven't looked in cheated, would you like to guess both of you? The leader for the same thoughts in games played this year. Richard, I saw this already, okay, Payton Pritchard at 60, it's 60 and obviously most of those Off the Bench, he's only started twice. Who's after Pritchard? Isn't that a question can't be? Daniel, it's not only played in 42. I got a I think it'll surprise you if that's a hint. I mean six Chevy ojeleye. Nope. A lot of healthy scratches in there for Chevy. He's a 50 to Jayson. Tatum has played 59 games. Well, I'm extensions to make sense though as a surprise that's causing no, but it's have been rejected. That's what I'm saying. Like Brad was on the radio the other day, maybe was yesterday saying he's like, let's not forget, you know, what these guys are going through and how real this thing is and walk in wraps at night. I I think maybe word for word, but otherwise I'm paraphrasing, but he said he's like it's, it's mind-blowing that Jayson Tatum only missed seven games with everything that he went through with covid-19. You know, in terms of like your real integral important starting players Jayson Tatum has played 59 games, the only time he's missed, was that covid-19 sense that he's in many ways still recovering from though, you wouldn't know it cuz he's getting like 30 points a game out there, you know, over the course of the last half month or month whatever it's been. That's kind of nuts to me that he is first on that list. Yeah, that's why I keep it. I keep advocating for Jason Tatum rest time at some point in the season and like that's never going to ever happen because they him to be on the Florida when games and they have to find a way to you know, get their seating to be. I mean I know maybe bread doesn't care about seating I would like to you know, avoid the plane tournament if I were Boston but they need to win games and they need to him to play to win games cuz they have so many other injuries and so maybe guys coming in and out if they can't afford to even give him a break and because of the the minutes load that he's had this year. The you know his usage rate is through the roof and comparison. What it's been the past month. Couple years. Like I would love to give him this a little time off, but it seems like that's never going to happen. It's just really unfortunate, I don't know. Yeah, I I think this obviously would Evans initial and so I'll let you go. No, no. It's, it's, it's a good point because I just wonder two things. First of all, going into the playoffs, they will be able to say, okay, forget about everything to happen. This is really a new time for us, but I also wonder if, if there's a way to think of this in terms of what can they get out of the season? This long season, what's really has been for them, they haven't met expectations, they've dealt with all sorts of problems. That derailed them time. After time they have a responded in, the best way of lot of times to some of them. So can they get something out of it? And I just look at their, their two best players who are still very young and wonder, if this is, you know, people will look back a couple of years. Now and say, they maybe they develop some real leadership skills during this troubled season. When there was so frustrating and you've seen both guys, especially Jayson Tatum during the games suck, messing up frustration and actually, you know, snapping a teammates and it's all very positive to see that. He's, he's expressed himself that way. I, I just wonder if, you know, mm, mm. They get together going in the playoffs and say. Okay, let's let's hold everybody responsible. Let's be the leaders here. Let's drive this whole thing not just with the ball, in their hands. But in a room during meetings, the only guys that don't get back on defense, the only guys that don't run with the fast? Break, so trailer, you know, bad rotations off and let's make sure we're doing everything ourselves and let's let's get on everybody else. That would be a tangible thing to draw from this year, from this regular season going in from playoffs. And I think we'll be able to tell if that's happened. By the way, they do play in the playoffs. If these two guys do come together and they are able to to show by example, how it's supposed to be done every which way. If that's true, then they have em for. You know, if this this playoff is going to be run by the team that has it all coming together at the last minute, you know, whether it's Utah which look like they were really. I'm getting things together and that was on there. 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We have a very clear-cut, you know, rest plan and training plan and down the the optimal, you know, outcome here is that he is the Kemba that we all know and love, come the postseason, because he in many ways and this is, you know, Brad is acknowledged that choice, not his words, but he's basically said, Kim bizarre X Factor, you know, for us to get to where we want to go. Kemba Walker is going to be the guy that, that gets us there. And that's something that Evans been talking about for quite a while as well, but if you're identifying an X Factor for this team, you know, I would argue it's maybe more M48 in some ways. But anyone who says Kemba Walker, I get it. I'm not going to gripe with it. He is immensely important to one Club, you know, hopes to achieve. In fact, Brad I thought really interesting Lee said, on the radio that if, you know, to the degree that they are not scoreboard watching or you know, don't log Or might be overstating it but you know aren't prioritizing the the top six versus being in that play and tournament he was asked, you know, look the way this regular season wraps up, you know, look at it right now, Saturday Sunday at Minnesota at New York, let's say you're at New York on Sunday and you need Kemba Walker to play because you know, that determines a win their determines, whether you finishing up 6 vs wind up in the play and tournament. Do you play Kemba Walker, that back-to-back and Brad very matter-of-factly said, no, we don't, we're not playing them. That's, we are true to our plan and that is, what is most important? So say what you want obviously about. Kimba the player and you know how you feel about him as, you know, a fixture on this team and what he can contribute when he's right, we know what it is. I mean, it's still not a contract, like, it's still a contract, I'd move in the off-season, if I could, I mean, you're talking about a guy who's who's, you know, earning thirty six million dollars, a year to play in half your games. But when he is out there and we saw it last night in Orlando, a 32 points after a nine-day, absence due to the strained oblique. So not even the knee, a strained oblique, but he goes out there, he's locked in any time. He comes back from arrest. It seems like he's locked in. This is TJ. They need him to be in the playoffs. Realistically. Can he be? Will he be in your estimation? Can I be else because again, just about every team that's in, contention has a Kemba Walker? That they're hoping will come around when be available, so can, can he be that guy for Boston? Yeah, and you're right. And we've seen them the way he's played at times, be the old, am I the Yukon camera that can carry carry a team through? And they kind of need that going into the postseason, right? They need to that Yukon team way back when and do so well during their regular season and then they came on and that's what they need from 10:00. But now, I need to restore that muscle memory in them and have him. Be that guy. So they go from a big to do a big three and no one's talking about Gordon Hayward not being here anymore, you know that you're looking. How do you stop the Celtics own know? They have three guys and the last two minutes of the Colts game and all three guys are really playing. Well, the balls moving, they're not over dribbling. All of those things will be ways of judging how well Kemba is playing. I really, I really respect the idea of the back-to-backs this year with them and sticking to it because it is all going to come down to the play-offs. And even if they, even if he had been able to play in every game, they probably still may have been just about this frustrating A Team. I mean, because of everything else going on and then you would have been going in the playoffs wondering, how availability be. It's been a long time since I've watched Kendall play and wondered about Thursday, Just you just don't think about it watching them anymore which means that the the strategy has worked. So for them to go in with Kemba not worried. This me he's in better shape than book on his worrying about James Harden. For instance, he's in better shape than the Lakers are worrying about LeBron. He said better shape right now, the new tires worry about. I mean, you can go through team after team, that's worried about a key guy and that's because the employment, the back of the box office, they feel better about their key guy than these other teams do about. There's Yeah, I mean the only thing that, you know, we're talking about different level of of guy with James Harden, the way he can manipulate game LeBron but like I'd see your credit like it is it is it's cuz I haven't actually thought about this until you just said it in, but the fact that I haven't thought about Kemba seeing a while, I was a really positive thing. Unfortunately, I'm more worried with this oblique strain that he had, but he seems to be moving. But look, I am not going to get really excited and over-the-top excited about Kemba dropping 32 on an absolutely, you know, a depleted magic Squad. Okay, I'm just not going to get one also Jaylen Brown's, not out there, right? I'm not, I'm just not going to get but like the things that I like to see the things that I've been seeing all year, it seems like the speed is, there doesn't seem like he's lagging. It all seemed like he feels comfortable as he he's attacking the band, he's going to the free throw line. A little bit more. He's getting in the rim and he's had some trouble finishing at The Rim this year. I mean, when you're five foot ten, that's just what's going to happen but What I feel like you guys didn't absorb as much contact. I think again that might be the same trying to, you know, that muscle memory of remembering what the angles are. Oh, yeah, I think this the big debate this way. So I can initiate contact and go to the free throw line. You know, some of that stuff getting back into the regular speed of gameplay, that seems to be coming back. I can. I've been adamant about saying Kemba Walker's, The X Factor of the steam. If he's any good, this team has a real shot if he stinks. There's no way you know, as much as I love forty-love is Edition. I'm not quite sure. If you know he's totally ready to be the, you know, secondary interest there been a team around with in the NBA title. I think I'm a little bit more comfortable, giving that particular role to Kemba Walker, but, you know, kembo when things are right and you saw get a little bit last night, the Bots, he's attacking the paint, the balls moving inside now they're finding open Shooters. There was a great pass by Kemba last night, I believe it was in the second half. Kevin drives gets the base wage Is a wraparound pass the Peyton perched up top about 28 feet. He buries it, you know, that that's kind of the stuff that you're looking for the ball moves around hits different, guys, guys are getting a rhythm and that's that's what this team looks like. Things are going. Well, the issue again with I mean, we've talked about is this team maintaining that Rhythm for stretches of time and you know, Kemba Walker finding a way to play in every single game after the playoffs, that's going to absolutely help having guys available for everything to get. The playoffs is going to help either stick with camber. His workload is something that you have to monitor. Just nice guys. You know, again, at any time, I'm not quite sure what, you know, what his knee looks like, but I'm always going to be somewhat. You know, cognizant of the fact the playoffs different level of basketball, right guys? Play harder finals, a heart defect. So every possession matters. It's a little bit different, but from what we've seen so far, I mean, I'm, I'm encouraged, you know, and I'm happy that they've been able to bring him along and they haven't really you ever heard of a setback wage. The things that have happened to Kemba Walker, have been other unfortunate ailments but this the knee is seems to be okay again, the performance last night, you know, is it going to get me too? Wrapped up in the fact that it's Rhythm looks good. Down to the bass and get to the free-throw line and doing normal, Kemba Walker things and how his game can help the Jays and and take some, you know, a little bit off, their plate is going to be massive because those two guys through enough this year, in the need a little bit of help in mind. You know, I'm really glad you brought it up and there's no way I'm trying to compare Kemba to LeBron or James Harden. They are so much more important, but all of these teams they need all their key guys. And if you're missing one of them, they're they're not going to be able to win and if the Celtics don't have Kemba the Easter third guy, but it's enough to throw everything off balance and making it possible for them to win. I mean, it's almost why. For four years I've been saying Milwaukee just doesn't have enough around yamas and be honest with in the Pac-12 championship of this year, he might be able to do it because if things break badly for the the opponents, and maybe they do have enough, well, if that's the case, then maybe the fault at 7 a.m. so far. I'm not saying when the championship to go farther than you would have stopped based on what we saw during the regular season and I totally agree with you. Kemba Walker's, a key to all of it. Well I think part of it and we're implying it but just to say it is balanced, the trickle-down effect, you know you don't have Kemba obviously and smart and starting and and then off that much more influence is is needed from Peyton Pritchard Off the Bench and and on and on if if we could live in for a moment in this fantasy Universe where everybody's healthy for the Celtics come the postseason, a very unlikely but as we haven't seen it in a full regular-season, why the hell would we over a a couple of months playoff? But let's let's just imagine what that looks like. Now, if you look at this, dog, because we've spent a lot of time criticizing the depth over the course of this season, and the bench in particular, and I don't know. I mean, tatem Brown, Kemba, smart, 48, Robert Williams, Tristan Thompson, Peyton, Pritchard? And let me just for the sake of what we've seen recently. Put Aaron D Smith and that conversation. Let's do it Thursday. 9, guys. Okay. That's, that's your nine-man playoff rotation in, in your ideal world. So, sorry, Grant, sorry, shammy. Sorry, to my my favorite player in the world. Jeff, Parker. Those are your guys. Are we undervaluing what this team is actually capable of if they are at full strength? Well, then, then the second part is the, the part that comes off the paper. And that's how do they play, and how hard did they play? And sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And ball movement, do they share the ball and they make quick decisions. You know, that's so important. If you have Kemba in the game, if the balls on Thursday and then the idea of having a healthy come to Walker is kind of negated, because you aren't making use of three guys anymore. The balls not moving there, just so much easier to guard. Whereas if it is moving and you have three guys and they can score from a variety positions, Campbell what those Runners and floaters. Um, the other two guys driving inside. If they don't like this three-pointer, they could become harder to guard. So and then the other guys have around them, you know, are threats to in complementary ways. Nonetheless, I I that's what's been so frustrating watching them is that you just have not known what they stand for, who they are. Are they are they an underperforming a smart team or they just another NBA team. And there have been a lot of times this year when you watch them. You're like, it's just like every other team out there and they they just don't, they just don't walk through the game. They all share it. They just, they just stand around, dribbling, really dribble into a crowd or all these things that drive you crazy watching and they're not the attributes. Do you think about when you think about self contending teams? I mean the Celtics invented, the whole idea of moving the ball and pushing the pace and beating the defense before they could set up the account and all of that stuff in the Celtics kind of undermine that at times this year. That's why this this postseason such a great opportunity for them to start a new. So yeah, if they're healthy and they, they have all their job. Healthy now, there's no excuse, there's zero excuse, they should be playing hard, it should be running as often as they can, they should not be settling for 3. After 3, after 3, am not making them. You know, they should be, should be going inside to draw fouls. Not just to make shots Jason the J one. May not even in the top forty and free throws, three, throw attempts, I think in the league and it's just ridiculous. So, all these things have to happen. You can't take it for granted, that will happen based on what we've seen, But if they're all healthy, it gives it a chance of happening, then it's all up to them. Yeah, they picked a hell of a time to the end of the bench, sort of to start, you know, having some thoughts to starting to get things clicking in the right direction. I mean, I look at, you know, this is the one thing that people have been on Danny for for a lot of is, you know, recent draft picks have been mrs. These guys haven't contributed a lot about, you know, boss, Stedwards, Romeo Langford, Grant, whatever. What your what's really important for Boston? And in the development recently has been a really good friend is, is the emergence or re-emergence or just the the the fact that these guys seem capable. Now, you know, Ernie Smith is up to what what's the almost up to like this last 10 games or so five games or so was, you know, shooting either one of the basketball right now. I mean these much more confident defensively like, yeah, he picks the files, every rookie is going to do that. I'm not really worried about the fact that he's playing sound positional defense. Now, understand the answer is rotations. Have to be that's important, that's a big thing. The shooting is huge. I said it at the beginning of the season because he has no clue where to be on defense. Nesmith has to earn playing time with the shooting if he's not shooting them. Well, never going to see the floor right in what we always hear about rookies towards the end of the year. They're going to hit a rookie wall because then put that many games ever even played in that much. You know, a big of a stressful environment ever if they're proud. Was different, all this other stuff. Well, nice with it really hasn't played so that rookie wall in my opinion, like doesn't exist because he hasn't played basketball really that much over the past two seasons, played half a year in college and then you know this year has been spotty up and down. Now, he's been playing more cohesive, more consistent basketball find a lot more time and how his presence can help Boston MA floor spacing right. If you have again, this is theoretically, if you have, you know, Shooters, space on the perimeter, it makes life easier for Jason in jail and drive the basket. So you'd be able to get easy shots, ads are going to the free, throw line. If you have a guy like Nesmith who's having a hot straight stretch right now, same for Pritchard and Pritchards been, you know, with the exception of a couple of, you know, stretches of games, he's been unbelievable here and people have been on them for things. And, you know, a lot of that, you know, coming off that injury, he was a little shaky, coming back, took a while to get a splitting but now that he seems to be again all the way back, his presence is unbelievable. What gives them another ball-handler, can create the offense, but a guy that probes the inside of the defense, consistently as talk about Ian, a guy that pushes the tempo pushes the basketball game when he gets the inbounds past and flies before, even though he's one for AR15 at least prompts the defense, gets in the move around gets their attention and gets the rest of their something, you kind of in gear, gets in the move up, you know, gets killed the front Court, let's get something going here, and then a lot of times Boston finds themselves in the advantageous situation. So just the emergence of those two guys or just a cohesive or those two guys has been big in like look, those guys, are they going to make a huge difference? You know, come playoff time? I don't know maybe. But the fact that they at least show signs of life, this year's better than than what we've seen already this season. So you know, you talk about all this, you know, the rotations and whatever the fact that Nesmith and Pritchard are giving. You something tangible right now that you can look at and say off. That's nice. Let's see more of that. Again, the, the trickle-down effect that you have just from those guys is huge again, finding ways to find easier, easier days for Tatum and brown and Campbell, and 48th and smart. You know, that's great. You can see the chemistry, the the energy is different as we get towards the playoffs, are about clicking the right time. You know, you have Rob Williams starting to play. Again, you have those two guys stepping up? You see the chemistry sort of change a little bit in a positive direction? And look, they turned, they flip the switch. I only just seen has that capability, but if they can start playing better basketball, they can make a Deep Run for sure. Just again, the outcomes are so wild here. I, I, I don't know where to, to how to really pinpoint it down. I have no clue. I will acknowledge the fact that needs that I want, I want to make sure we acknowledge. It needs to be depressed. You really suck their ass off. Peyton Pritchard no. By the way, is the Celtics leader in 3-point percentage. Just putting that out there. Not obviously, nearly the volume that some other guys, like, Kemba tatem Brown even smart have, but, you know, he's shooting about 43% really promising for a guy in this first year making, taking that extra stride back from the college, 3-point line to do that. It shows how much work he puts before he got here. So as we, you know, run a little lower on time here, looking at the standings and obviously we're this thing is going to finish when we got into this a little bit with Shawn last June so Sixers, and Nets bucks, you know, that's your one, two, three, and whatever, rewarder. It turns out to be. Obviously the Celtics aren't sniffing that we know, but they're, you know, the Knicks are and forth right now, who are two games that have the Celtics, you have an ex and forth, the Hawks and fit the Celtics technically have the tiebreaker against Miami's. They are 6th right now but they do the exact same record as the heat who are in seventh wage of the Hornets, the Pacers the Wizards you know making up the rest of that play and tournament as things stand right now and probably where it's going to fall. I don't think Toronto or Chicago. We're going to climb into this thing in the final stretch here. So you know it's going to be some mixture obviously of Probably Celtics eat Hornets. Pacers-Wizards the 6 through 10:00 right now, you know, four of those five are going to be in the play in tournament and one is going to emerge for the 6th seed. The same thoughts final handful of games here or half dozen in Chicago tomorrow night. You have back-to-back at home against Miami at Cleveland at Minnesota at New York, are these to Miami games going to determine where Celtics fall. They're they're going to be huge obviously, I was looking at it. I I think the safest bet is to say Celtics will be six or seven you know and 7 on Thursday is not where you want to be right, this your last year, but you know, and then you're looking at playing Brooklyn or Milwaukee because I don't think either of those teams is going to catch the way based on the schedules and the tie-breakers and everything. So, unless the bottom falls out or unless the Celtics just gets super hot, all of a sudden and talk about talk about how surprised we've been in the sort of frustrating way, all season this will be the opposite, kind of surprised of all of a sudden. You know, they, they get their act together and they're the hottest team in season. I think anybody would see that coming. So, let's not. Let's not talk about that. I think they're probably going to end up six or seven will do everything they can. Yep. Couple of Miami games and trying to make sure they they finish Sixth and that is the question. Who would you rather play? Would you rather play Brooklyn or Milwaukee? And for me, I think I'd almost rather play Brooklyn and hope that the injuries go your way that they're. They're as fragile as they've been. Hardened is Niall. Come back. Cuz I'm a Celtics guy. That's I think what I'd be looking at because Milwaukee has had some frustration and I think they're going to be really rallying. The team had a lot of the adversity, a lot of these other teams about the face. So I think they're going to be really rallying going into the playoffs this year. They they're probably the sure game then Brooklyn, As far as trying to predict how this last is last half, doesn't give you can. I go? I mean, we're looking back on this past, regular season. And we still can't figure out what happened. So, I don't know how we're going to be able to predict what's going to happen over that six-game win streak, wasn't that long ago, was only about a month ago and then obviously, all of a sudden they lose four out of five, but since then they've won three out of four. It's yeah, they're up and down. I I don't know what you think of it. I agree with what you said and as far as you know trying to project ahead of the playoffs and who you'd rather face. It's not because I think Brooklyn's and and easier than in Milwaukee. I certainly don't I think overall there are more talented team but they're so top-heavy and care. So little about defense that you know, if the Celtics were to get hot offensively, it just becomes a shootout. It becomes a situation where you're just You're trying to outscore the Nets. No Easy Task. You know, especially if Harden is out there and and that's a a huge unknown like you said, but you're trying to outscore the Nets and hoping that you can crack down ever so slightly defensively on them because at least you have the right mindset on defense whereas they don't when it comes to the Bucks you know, I think that they're obviously it's walk-ins and then the rest in a lot of different ways. There isn't necessarily as much you know even top-heavy balances. There isn't Milwaukee the way I look at or Brooklyn. The way I look at it. Maybe some people would disagree but you know what I'm really not driving at is you know, while you're trying to outscore the Nets, you're trying to contain Yiannis which they just they're not equipped to do, you know, love Robert Williams Lake George Thompson today. They don't have the guys to stop Giannis. It's just a, it's a it's a more imposing, you know, trying to trying to slow down, you know, wage Was from Miami last year. Why is his name is scammed or had a bio like, that's that's what you're trying to do. It's it's you know, like we couldn't stop that guy. Now we're going to try and stop be honest. I know they faced him in the playoffs before and they've beaten them in the playoffs before, but I just still don't think that, I don't know. That's that's scares me. Yanis is getting better. Folks goes out. But the problem is, their head coach doesn't play Jonas. A lot of jobs. It's in, like we've have evidence of this over the years, that, you know, for some strange reason there's a minute restriction on Giannis, who's like, the biggest athletic freak in the league right now. So, I mean, I get to Brooklyn argument. They're not healthy, but if they're healthy, they're unbelievably talented. And I guess, you know, the Defence of jobs, the hold up with them. I mean, I think, but Brown is a gray individual Defender at times, Tatum is a great individual inventor at times and smart. We all knows all World defense, but you know, they have three guys that are really developing contain and it's real humman. The Hardin. Peace becomes the most frustrating one because like he has the ability job. Should not only score on you in in just in variety different ways but he can also, you know, he's an incredibly good path and he's averaged world in his MVP season one, eleven almost twelve assists a game. I mean he's dead. They're they're I think a much harder math problem to solve than the bus. And be frankly honest if if, if Brooklyn is healthy Brooklyn and the Lakers are both healthy, it's just in case they're needed in the finals. It's like a sure thing, but hard, when you don't know, if he's going to be available and then is Durant, can be able to play in Every Game. Bang Theories. And when you, if you take that into account and now it's Kyrie with a bunch of guys who aren't capable of playing defense. You might still lose, but at least you have a better chance. I think than you would against the Milwaukee team that is. As you say the whole sir, is a Thursday is last year that you can coach the best in the playoffs. And he's, he's learned from that stuff and so maybe he will play on this more minutes, maybe he will have more adjustments, you know, our systems will accept some assistant coaches suggestions on things. We ought to be changing up now in reaction to what's going on. The fact that he's he's owned up to something in the past I think is a very positive sign cuz I'm going into the playoffs this year. So and then the key with you on this is if you want to beat him you have to make it. So it's a tight game. The last couple of minutes and he has to create a place, is the best player and he's just, not still not great at that. I mean, he's one of the elite players in the NBA. But out of that group, you see the only guy that still really can't create his own shot. The way you think of the the great Mbps be able to do it the way LeBron or you know, Durant or Michael Jordan or Larry Bird and all those kinds of guys be honest doesn't have that skillset still. So it if you keep him out of the open floor and you may get a title last couple of minutes and put the pressure on him to do something that you really doesn't feel comfortable doing, then maybe you have a chance. Nonetheless, put it all together based on the the salability physically Brooklyn. I think that's the theme that the Celtics should be hoping that if they can hold on to where they are. They should be open. That something they'll face in the first round knowing that they'll be underdogs but maybe things break their way and they have a chance to talk about ratings, that might be a good ratings boost the MBP you have, you know, the the Nets. Although the best the best outcome here for the FDA is, let's get the next in the first round. I mean that would be just unbelievably good luck for the NBA in terms of ratings, but I think Boston MA the Kyrie connection would be another fascinating, you know, matchup that would that would do well. I think ratings lives. And again, if the especially a Brooklyn has everybody then it becomes a whole different story but I get off a hard time baking on on just the coping that Brooklyn's hurt but to your point and if you're going to grab Brooklyn, At any point in the playoffs get them first when they're not, you know, they might, you know, horns, come off that injury. Little rusty. There might be a little miscommunication. The chemistry might not totally be there. Maybe I'll give you a little bit of credit on this cuz I wasn't really thinking about this. Maybe that's the reason why you want, because they're not going to be totally centered, if you play them and you know, they get their footing and all of a sudden them again, then you really don't want to play. Then they definitely doesn't matter what round, you get him into running, a beat unless you're the Lakers and LeBron, and at the Davis are open, so maybe maybe over, thought that maybe it's, maybe it needs to be broken up. So Adam should be praying that they get Brooklyn and round one. That is that the tab we have to go with their, here's your tag. If we get a Nets Lakers NBA finals, I'm rooting for another League stoppage. Well that would be a rating strong. So that's that's kind of Kyrie LeBron. There's no good outcome there. If you're a Celtics fan You win another one and LeBron, although I think Celtics fans honestly, you know, aren't as obsessed with the LeBron number of titles thing as maybe some other people but no, no we are obsessed about the number of titles that the Lakers claim to have. Exactly. So the Labor's think that that's we can still fight about the Lakers - Minneapolis continue to narrow their Gap against Boston or you know Kyrie Irving and the Nets in particular after the trade that was supposed to have embarrassed them for a lifetime and giving away all those first round picks the Nets, find a way with your guy to rebuild faster than there is just, there's no good outcome there. So I'm out. I don't want it. You sound like Mark Cuban on Shark Tank crew. Yeah, I'm out Thursday. It's or, or like Randy Jackson on idol. That's, that's a no from him. We don't this show, powered by betonline.ag go to bed online, today. Use the promo code clns, 54 bath 2 % of bonus and it's always a great pleasure. Having you on the show will do it again during the postseason for sure. And it'll be interesting. You know, I think I don't know about you guys. I think the Celtics ultimately they will be the 6 a.m. we want it to deal with the play and tournament despite all the time worrying about it and you know, then whatever's going to happen. It's going to happen but at least we can maybe try and Dodge that bullet. Assuming they finish strong, but I do think they're going back. Just based on what their matchups are coming up here. It's going to be more surprises in this postseason than I think we've we've seen in a long time. Just cuz you won't know who the players are going to be wage. Yeah. So and then you will know how they're playing. So I think that's, that's all the Boston can hope for is to have that kind of environmental, be interesting again. Ian Thompson course follow his work. Make sure you do a lot of great stuff out there and having Valenti, always a pleasure, my friend, we'll do it again next week sometime, as we will inch closer and closer to the postseason. Thanks all. With us. 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Warriors, Celtics, Kemba, Wizards ready to blow it up?

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Warriors, Celtics, Kemba, Wizards ready to blow it up?

"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Hello and welcome to the hoop collective podcasts. Welcome to thanksgiving week, blah, blah, blah, all pleasantries, blah, blah, blah, hope everybody enjoys their travel, blah, blah, blah. We've got this week. We've got in Texas just completely old Texas triangle, which I thought never happened anymore. But then again, the warriors just when did the Texas triangle, and they in good old fashioned form got beaten all three stops in Houston. Dallas and San Antonio joining us from San Antonio is our warriors beat writer, Nick, free del. Hello, nick. How're you? The little guys the worst week from hell is officially over. And I think everybody is is better for that. You're like the angel of death. Every team you covers things. It all feels very familiar. When things start to go bed. That's right. That other laugh is from Tim Bontemps who is in Philadelphia. I have no idea who the Sixers playing today. They're playing the Phoenix Suns as Joel Embiid gets his first shot at Blida rating. The Andrea eight oh, and that was in that you travel down to Philly to see that. I did travel down from from Boston yesterday. Where the Celtics are having some issues, and we will discuss that in a minute. Also joining us. Joining us in Los Angeles and running the show is Andrew Han. And we've got kyri in Bristol flipping the switches. So Nick has a flight back home. I'm sure you're looking forward to get back to the west coast. But so before we lose him just wanted to talk about the warriors. I thought it was interesting last night that they were talking about not having their joy because I felt like I feel like when they play with joy, it's one of their great weapons. And you know, they're also missing to all stars right now. And I'm really kinda worried about drain months toe injury. Because when I hear towing injury. It's kind of like hearing hamstring injury toe injuries. Don't go away very fast. And I don't think they've set a lot about so maybe can shed some light on that, Nick. Although having said that they still have to all stars left. In fact, two hall of famers in my famers in their prime in clay and Durant. They just happen to shoot the ball terribly. Last night. I think they were like under forty percent is a group, and they were some awful like four of twenty from three point range. But they've lost their joy is what they say. So Nick, give us your assessment. I mean, we've talked about Draymond and Durant ad nauseam. We get that we know it, but what's going on actually in the rectangle of the court right now with these guys will the not get enough space to make shots. And when they do get open looks be they're missing, I think in the last three games in this, Texas triangle. They were eighteen four seventy seven from beyond the arc and we're so used to seeing the warriors bounce the ball all over the place and get open looks. And it's just not the case there Durant. Made the point that they're still trying to work newer players like Jonas rope co and younger players like looney co is playing a lot bigger role than they ever envisioned because of injuries, but man -absolutely, but Damian Lee to wig I was over the weekend here. I mean, they're they're trying to get these newer guys in the spots that they're not comfortable with and frankly, they really shouldn't be in. Because if you have Steph, and you have Draymond. You don't have these guys playing bigger minutes. So on top of the emotional issues of the week. And I. I can't stress enough. How much the whole Katie Draymond incident seemed to rock the core of this group on top of that. They're just not playing very well right now. So they're hopeful that they get dream on back from this toe injury on Wednesday against Oklahoma City. But to your point b it's something that's going to linger all year. I mean, that's what happens and this was curse whole point. We have to sit him out until he can shake it fully. But they're not sure he's going to be able to shake it fully because we toe injuries like hamstring injuries. They just kinda hang on for a while as for Steph. He sees me getting better and better he's doing more individual work on the floor. But he's still at least another week away. In Kerr whole point is been that he's trying to think he's trying to remind the media, and he's also trying to mind his team. We're in November. I mean Kerr has always said we're playing the long game here. We. We know we're going to be playing deep into the playoffs. We know that this team has the chance to do something incredibly special and trying to win back to back to back titles. So we're not going to rush anybody back in to the point about joy Kerr in the last week at every turn has tried to pump the positivity. He knows what he's trying to do publicly because as the rest of the basketball world wonders all right is the sky falling there. Here's curson. I like the way our effort has been after that Houston game, which is miserable. I like the way the guys are trying to work and find themselves, and we're going to get out of this. And I believe from basketball perspective that's going to happen. I mean, Katie and Draymond before last night's game. And San Antonio the sitting there talking about Alex Smith injury like it was just a totally. It was you allow yourself to watch the video. No, hell, no. Do you come on tempts to join video? I stay away from all of those videos. Only thing I've ever seen of them was a Gordon. Hayward injury last year, which literally happened right in front. Otherwise, not stay away from them on purpose. Not come on. You're talking to a guy who had a tip fib injury himself, Flint football. You did. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. I know off God, my two my two buddies on senior night, they missed their they missed their blocks and are running back there. He fell into my leg. And it's it's just it's gone. So I wanna no part of watching that stuff. But you know, so Nick how long how bad was that recovery. Was that was your senior year? So you were like in a cast your whole senior year. No, they put they put a rod in. They put a rod in in. And that was that I was able to walk like a few weeks later never did the cast. But then I got to Syracuse. I would wake up at eight AM for my mic class freshman year. And I felt like there was an echo in my leg because it was so cold and in the rod wasn't feeling great. So couple of years later they had had to take the rod out. But it was not the recovery that it might have been for Joe thirty plus years ago. But anyway, yeah. On a on any one note. I did not know that I'm so sorry to hear that. There is some normalcy as much as there could be a week later within. I think everybody is still trying to to help these guys kind of come together. More from a basketball perspective, and whether or not Katie stays or goes of in that conversation wasn't really going to go anywhere. It's just heightened now because of what happened in Los Angeles. But in the short term and feel like you get dream on back. You get Steph back here in the near future and everything will be okay. If it's not at that point. Then guys will then the warriors have much deeper issues but Kerr for his part is holding to get these guys back. Everything will be fun ten, you know, the warriors really, well, I would say that watching them play just like in the game in Dallas the other night. I mean Durant had an a twelve footer from the lane where he was squared. And he just. Short. And then clay had what Nick maybe fifteen footer from the baseline again perfectly squared and either those shots go in. They may we know force overtime and or win that game. Like, I'm I'm in agreement here. I mean, I think they've got long-term issues with whether Durant wants to stay. But in terms of getting out of this funk. I don't I don't know. You guys tell me, I don't think them losing this three games is a direct relation direct line because Durant Draymond issues. I just think they're in a slump right now. But what Tim what do you think? The warriors in Steve Kerr era are two hundred and fifty four and forty seven would Steph curry place. I believe they are now twenty two and twenty two when he doesn't. That there's a stat problem that is the problem with the warriors Steph curry is not healthy. I you mentioned it before I took this job. I was out in the bay the last two years a watch this team a lot when Steph curry place, they are the greatest team I've ever seen when he doesn't play. They are pretty boring team that has very very uneven particularly on offense and is prone to folks like this. And this this is what they are Curry's the thing that makes that team go, and this also goes back to something I've said since the summer, which is that I I believe the DeMarcus cousins signing was mistake. I thought that was the case this summer. I think it's the case. Now, the reason why something you seventy you're talking to Nick when you mentioned Jonas jerem is playing a bigger role than the words ever envisioned. Frankly, he really isn't. He's playing a little bit larger one two months hurt. But he has to play a lot for them because they don't have any depth. You look at. Their bench. Afonso McKinney was their eighth guy the league her he couldn't play for the for the raptors last year he played, but they didn't think you Repco is going to be starting. Well, no, that's what I mean. Draymond being hurt means he's playing a little bit more. But he was still their seventh guy for the first couple of weeks of the season. And that all goes back to this team has no depth up and down the roster, which is why Patrick lacob played hardball. And we can you know, I don't want to have a Patrick McCaw discussion. Well, listen, Patrick McCaw is his his argument makes no sense because he he was horrible last year. And if he just had signed a contract, you would have been their seventh guy, and he would have played that year that he was. A lot right? He'd been playing a lot right now. Yeah. So they just don't have any depth. And now they've got cousins out. They've got Draymond out. They've got Steph out. So look they're rolling out there. They're playing Quinn cook like WinCo Canete twelve shots yesterday or something. It's not a very you're not a very good team. If Quinn coke is getting shots. That's all they have pretty well though in fine. He's fine. But like again, if you you can have two superstars out there, and clay, and Katie, but if you have out there around them a bunch of guys that are borderline MBA players, you're the Oklahoma City thunder. Or what are they they're a team that's kind of floating around five hundred right now. Oklahoma City is far Oklahoma City has the second best record in the west. I think or maybe this point that that means they're like what ten ten eight feels like everybody in the west is like the same record. How about how about bonds go into the east and then just completely ignoring the west and knowing there's? Like seven teams like ten and five or better. But I would say that in Oklahoma City, by the way is playing awesome defense. Awesome defense. I think they're the number one defensive team in the league over the last like eight games or so or top two, and I think they've won eight of nine or something like that. But anyway, yes, I think I saw a stat on the plus minus of curry over the last three years, which is like their plus eighteen twenty or something him in the game with him out of the game. I think they're in a minus. So. I think that's true. I think it unlocks everything. And you know, I've I've said many many times that I think Draymond is their most important player because he's a guy that. He's the Lynch pin that enables them to play that way. But certainly you can look at those stats like Bontemps just brought up and that plus minus debt, and you could say the curry is actually their most important player. And maybe maybe Draymond is their player that allows them to to play their style of basketball. But maybe it's curry who is the sort of the rocket fuel that lets them take off. But either way they they've had a couple of games or what they score eighty. What would a point totals on this trip? Nick. Like, did they crack one hundred and all three games? I don't even think they did God in Houston Houston. Houston. Be is the only game where the Draymond Katie the emotions of those last few days. I think there was a hangover there because they just didn't look right that whole game and Draymond comes out after I played horribly. So so he knew it. But in Dallas in San Antonio chances to win those games. And I believe. The offense. I think they cracked one hundred both tons, but they just they don't look like they have any kind of rhythm right now. And it all ties back into you. Brought up the joy factor. The craziest part about all this to me is two three weeks ago. They're all talking about players coaches. How much different this season is the start of this. Sure, they were configured. Yes. That was like what they had rediscovered. I was talking about on sports and their Dave weapon. They've re weaponized joy. And now, it's just so everything's fleeting. Everything's sensitive. All right. So let's talk about troubled team a little bit in the east a good trouble team in the east, which is a team that Tim has been around with the Celtics. They had a great win over the raptors without on Thursday night temporary night Friday night. Great win over the raptors are really high. Spirited game. Really needed it. They were down, and they came back, and and made it happen and Kyrenia been playing great. And then they had a loss to the jazz on Saturday and tivi you're at the game. And tell us what happened afterwards in the locker. They I think the only scored eighty six points. They scored eighty six points in the fourth quarter. Brad Stevens fed up with his starters. Put in Brad, Wanamaker, Daniel Tucker, Sean JABA, sell a and I can't even remember who the fourth guy was Semioli with. It was a still a game at that. This game. Was it was close enough that the Celtics could've maybe come back. I mean, I was at the game in Phoenix the week before when they were down by feet. Utah is an outline or but yes, true down by about the same amount with nine minutes to go and came back and tied the game went overtime at one. So it wasn't. I mean, it was like sick a seventeen point game with nine minutes ago. So unlikely you come back, but you have a chance, but rats even puts those guys out there with Cairo Irving for the vast majority of fourth quarter. Then after the game Brad Stevens who never says anything accuses his team of not having any confidence and says that you know, basically pins confidence issues on some of his guys saying that they need to just focus on, you know, doing the little things instead of worrying about shots going in and out which was a pretty direct shot at Jaylen Brown in particular. And then Kyrie Irving y in the locker room. Why why? Because while Jaylen Brown has been horrible for one thing. He's shooting thirty six percent from the field and twenty-seven percent from three he'd he'd missed. He'd gone to. I last eighteen over the raptors game in that game. And he has generally just floated around and disengage because he appears to have his. Head down because he's missing a million shots. And then after that Cairo earning in the locker room. You know attack the Celtics young guys specifically call out Jason Tatum for on the first possession of the game setting the tone by getting Derrick favors in a one on one match up on the perimeter saying he expected him to drive Tatum instead shot a twenty footer. Saying that the young guys on the team were a year younger last year are trying to basically show their better players this year and trying too hard and pressing too much to your point the night before the Celtics had had this great victory over the raptors Tatum played well in the first time in a while. Kyrie was incredible Gordon Hayward played well, it was very feel good atmosphere in the locker room. And then the next night. There's just broadsides being leveled all over the place. Are is as much as they do. Weird spot. Yes. As much as the Celtics do, which is never, you know. I think is interesting about Tatum and Brown. So I really thought the guy that would have to sacrifice his shots. When Hayward came back was going to be Jalen Brown. I mean, Jalen Brown to me. I you know, my evaluation if they have not that. I am. You know, a general manager evaluation him after his rookie year was that he's going to be a borderline elite level defender. You know, who would occasionally have breakout offense of games, but I didn't think was going to be an offensive factor. Something more than three in D player, but certainly less than a to Jimmy Butler type. And then he was so good last year off and on. But a lot of on that I was like what he'd elevated in my mind that I thought well he is going to be the guy who's going to struggle because he's going to take a step back. The interesting thing is as you mentioned shooting percentages are way down, and you know, I don't have the Kevin pelton data about his shot quality, but he's going to the same amount of shots. He's playing a little bit less minutes. But he's getting the exact same amount of three pointers and the same amount of overall shots, which is still only like eleven or twelve game. But right. It's not like it's not like, it's gone. Ada game. He's just making way less of them. And then Tatum. Is actually getting a lot more shots. He's getting three more shots game and shooting about five percent lower. Now, if you watch he is just taking some in my mind wild shots, 'isolation shots, and is three point proteins. You might say you might say that. And like those are the two guys. Like, you know, we kind thought I mean, you know, I'm one of these people that not one hundred percent in the guaranteed. Kyrie's going to be a Celtic next year column for about ten different reasons. It's not that. I don't believe him that he's intending to stay. But I just think that that's more volatile situation. Like it was and I'm certainly not believing that Gordon Hayward. I don't exactly know what his teacher is. But I would have thought that did no matter what happened the Tatum and Brown, we're going to be the cornerstones going forward. And now, I'm like these guys got play better. You know, they lived in this sort of expectation free world last year where they just were over achieving almost from day one. And that they just us all the way. But now that we look at them as like, you know, I was thinking Tatum was gonna make the all star team this year. And I thought that Jalen Brown was going to be a contender. And they are not playing like that right now. Yeah. I mean, listen, they they have a lot of problems. They have a team full of guys that don't really get to the rim. They have a lot of team. But they have a team full of guys that don't really pass the ball other than Gordon Hayward. And he's obviously is coming back from his injury. They are having Gordon Hayward come back from his injury, which is a factor on and to your point. They have a lot of guys taking a lot of shots. I think if you look at their team they have I want to say they have six or seven guys averaging at least eight or nine shots game. Let's take a look, let's let's go right down the list. Cairo Irving seventeen a game. Let's see all that ranks two years past two years passed last year he averaged eighteen game the year before in Cleveland average twenty so it's slightly down. But he's averaging seventeen Tatum as I mentioned averaging thirteen up from ten Al Horford, averaging ten Jalen Brown, averaging twelve Gordon Hayward averaging nine let's see what that was down from youth his Utah days. He averaged sixteen is last year in Utah. That's way down. Obviously, he's coming back Marcus Morris averaging ten which seems like to me Marcus Morris has shooting fifty percent from the field. And I think forty eight percent from three and the Celtics Silva terrible offense, right? He's sexy. She's actually shooting less than last year. He shooting forty six percent from three but very good. Average was more than two the other night. Yeah. Averaging two makes him tick charitable is year ballpark right averaging just under nine a game. Which is all. Also down from last year. He's only shooting. Oh, I did not realize he's only shooting six percent or so thirty seven thirty thirty seven. I'll give them. I'll bump bumping up for him. Thirty seven percent. Yeah. I mean, they have a lot of guys that aren't shooting. Well, and here's the thing. If you watch a Celtic game, they take a lot of bad shots. They take a lot of mid range shots. They take a lot of a lot of threes. They never I mean, not that lot of threes are bad, but the take some contested threes because a lot of times because they can't get to the rim there kind of passing the ball around. And then Jack up a shot later in the shock, and it's not a quality, look and know that that really is what a lot of this to me. It comes down to is. They're they're not getting good enough shot Iraq twenty-seventh in the league in free-throw attempts. And that's even off. I think they were twenty ninth before the they had a big surge at the end of the raptor game. I think shot like twenty seven or twenty eight in the overtime game, and that bump them up a little bit. But they don't get to the line. They don't get to the rim in. So they they just don't get a lot of officiant shots. And then they have a lot of guys who aren't shooting while. That adds up to them not being very good offense. And I made the Kobe joke before because Jason Tatum this summer went and worked out with Kobe for awhile and you watch him play now. And he's he's not passing the ball. He's not creating shots or other people and he's taking a lot of inefficient mid range shots that are not very good looks and a lot of these taking Kobe shots thinking you've taken Kobe shots. So I mean, look the Celtics have a lot of talent by I look at the mix, and I just don't I don't really see where the offensive improvement is going to come from. And you know for all of the for all of the expectations at this team. Had you know, I know I know we're not quite at twenty games yet. But we're still at sixteen games with them and the twenty fourth or twenty fifth in the league and offense. I mean at some point the numbers are what they are. And well, some of these guys gotta shoot better percentages. Some guys gotta she'd better percentages. Which will help the Marcus Morris is also probably gonna shoot thirty percent at some point for a month. That's true. Marcus smart shots have cut in half. What was that? I know they're having problems. And I know that they haven't played to the level that I think we all started the season. But as I watched that game the other night the end of that raptors game the thought in my head was here is the Eastern Conference finals. And if it's my money, and I'm putting it down on any team in the east right now, I'm still putting it down on Boston. Because I believe breads Stevens will figure it out. I believe the players that we just rattled off especially the younger guys who haven't shot very, well, yet, we'll come together if kyri stays healthy. And we all know that the big if given the last few years, but if he does he will help guide them offense during those postseason stretches and during those big games. So I know there are a lot of people that are are wavering. In on the Celtics viability long-term this season on not on. They're still the team to beat. I like Toronto a lot, especially if Kawhi can stay on the floor and play the way he's been playing. But to me, it's Boston Toronto. And then there's a gap between everybody else like the Phillies or the Milwaukee's. So that's a fair point. Because I was going to say I'm taking the raptors because by was so far and away the best player on the cork the other night. It wasn't even funny and in a seven game series where he can play big minutes. Like if he's that level of player. The the Celtics are all the talent they have they don't have a close them. And they couldn't stop in the other night. I mean, he was just unbelievable. That was what I was gonna. So I will point I think both you guys make good points there. I as you guys know infatuated with the raptors and that game the other night, Danny green fouled out how much time was left in that game forty eight or so that was a huge moment. Five seconds by Tom Washington ball, terrible calls. Well, whatever the calls of the calls, but he loses. Danny green was huge on this edge. If they keep Danny green. I think they win. And then also Siachen fouled out in overtime. Everybody knows comes like my favorite player in the league. I will point this out about the Celtics. They've played a lot of tough games. They've had a very challenging schedule. I don't have the strength of schedule. Stuff in front of me. So. Yeah. They've already played. I think five or six west west road games. So. And they're they're scheduled coming up which I'm going to talk about tonight's game with they're playing Charlotte here in just a second. But they're scheduled coming up at Charlotte. You know, not a gimme Knicks. Hawks at Mavericks at pelicans again. That's a western road games. Not easy. But Cavs timber wolves Knicks again, Nick free Dell's bowls they have some games coming up that you know, this week for example, Monday Charlotte Wednesday Knicks lost five hundred I believe Friday hawks. You know, it's a chance to fend them. That's a that's a good healthy week a little bit for them. So the schedule, you know. Yes, andrew. As according Boston is strength the schedule so far. So what do I know? That's still pretty good. And I will say Gordon Hayward. The last couple of games look much better to me moving around the court. Hey, look, much better. They did even week ago. And I think if you are being an optimist on the Celtics she would say that to three four months from now he's going to look that much better than that is he is the one guy in particular that obviously if he gets back anywhere near where he was before. That's a huge swing piece for them. All right. So tonight, they're playing the Charlotte Hornets and for the first time in two years of this podcast. We're gonna talk about the Hornets. I'm only slightly exaggerating. But specifically I wanna talk about Kemba Walker Kemba is having a tremendous season. I will give you some of his stats. He is averaging twenty nine points a game, which is far and away a career high. He is shooting. Forty six percent overall from the field again career high and that we're we're talking fifteen games. But it's not nothing. It's also take in twenty one shots a game, which is far and away a career high shooting thirty eight percent from three point range, which is very solid. Has been awesome from the free throw line? And I think most importantly, he's been getting to the free throw line a career high six times a game said a few games where it's even been well above that averaging six point one assists per game, which ties a career high. The other the other night he had a sixty point game in an overtime loss to the Sixers. A tremendous start to the season the Hornets are seven and eight. Have had some disappointing losses. Lost in Cleveland lopsidedly last week. The guys this guy is a confounding player. Bon temps you love MS player. You said something to me earlier that I think is interesting. So I'll let you say it again here for all the people. Go ahead. I think for the past two years he's been a better player than Kyrie Irving. Come on. Now. Come on to me. Who cares? What the numbers who you trust the came on the line? When a big game is on. What Kim Walker hasn't played in a big David years out of your mind? I don't think he played a couple of playoff games come on. I love you. But damn Kemba. Walker is not a better put here, I read Irving. No if coming walk up walkers played on the Hornets. How is he out of prove your point? You know, if Kyrie Irving was on the Hornets. Where would they be? Oh god. I mean, I don't I don't understand what the laughing because the Hornets have been a relevant team. We're Kemba Walker and do whatever is that. Right. But he can do whatever we woods. He's. System. Okay. I mean, listen, you can you can laugh, but again, you're you're not looking at you just look at the look at the dab at the end of the day. It's not up to Kemba Walker isn't the one deciding who's on his team. Okay. So understood honestly Walker on a bad team can do whatever he wants. All I the numbers are reflected. Okay. Listen, I think if you look at Kemba and the production he is put up and the ability has to shoot off the dribble from thirty to thirty five feet now almost like to the same range as like staff at this point. I think he's been an unbelievable player. They're playing on a team that yes, he hasn't been able to play a huge gaze because the team stinks and has been has been completely mismanaged. That's not to me. That's not Campbell walkers fault. Now, you can okay. Better players around him, those numbers that that you're saying there there wouldn't be close to what what are there? I mean, if you so you're you're saying, okay, we'll put Kyrie on the Hornets. Put a healthy kyri on the Hornets. And he'd have insane numbers insane. I sure okay. I'm not saying that I think Cam was better. Just because he's had better numbers. I think I also don't think he's way bet like miles better than Kyrie. I just think if you look over the last couple of years watching him a lot I think he's been unbelievable. And I think if he was on a team with real talent, they would have a chance to be damn good. And for example, if the Lakers could somehow get Kemba Walker to play with LeBron James and be the Kyrie Irving was in Cleveland. I think the Lakers should do anything. They can make that happen because I think he'd be a perfect fit as an example. Let me let me let me just toss. Would you take kyri or Kimball? Walker? I regret or have. I would rather have come Walker than Kyrie. But I also think, but I also think you can make an art like I understand the argument for me. I don't think this like I'm not saying this is like one guy stinks. A one guy's good. I just personally think Cam is a little better. So let me let me just add earlier. Bontemps as saying the kyri thinks and canvas good. That's right. That's exactly what I'm saying. Forbade them. Let me just toss this in there because I think this is relevant. I don't know how element these are the games played the last three years for Kemba Walker eighty one seventy nine eighty and then this year is obviously played in all fifteen games. Definitely definitely part of my argument. He's been Monday. They say the best of -bility is availability or whatever last three years for kyri fifty three seventy to sixty and he's played. He's missed one game this year. I think. I mean, there's some value in that. I don't know. I don't I don't know how much it is. But I think it's I think it's relevant. Come has been healthier to me. The real issue with Kemba is he's going to be a free agent just like kyri, we'll be he's going to be a free agent this summer, the the whole he's the heart. And so he's only they really got the only reason would come to a game in Charlotte is to watch Kemba Walker play and most people still don't that's true. And they still lose the only reason to watch a Hornets game since the team returned to fifteen years ago. What about the occasional Michael citing? How dare you disparage? What did they call? Brain fart. Now who is the guy who crashed into the? God guys. I am. I am. You're not. You're not really giving us much to work with their buddy. He made the all star team, they treat the the nets traded him for Damian Lillard. Gerald Wallace Gerald Wallace. I was I knew Gerald, Gerald. What was his name? He used to go flying into the crowd crash. They call them crash crash, right Jesus. I just proved against my point. If I couldn't remember his name. See why he wants you to him. So Ken blow from basketball? I know. I just think it's welcome to too many things in my head. So Kemba is a free agent. He is making. Salary this year. He is not autumn. He is not a max player and even worse. He's a less than a ex player signed in two thousand fifteen his salary. This year is twelve million dollars. He signed a contract extension a four year forty eight million dollar extension Steph like actually, I think I think he's got the same deal. As lowry. I believe we've it's exactly the same deal. Now. It's just a straight for this. This would be the fourth year. I think no raises in the deal. They signed a flat deal twelve twelve twelve twelve. So he hasn't even gotten a race contract had raise in four years. So he's underpaid. He's dollar for dollar one of the best players in the league, probably top five dollar for dollar. There's a chance you might qualify for the supermax, right? Well, all NBA team, right? So, you know, a lot of things are there's a lot of factors that come into that injuries and whatnot. I would not think that he would be able to make the NBA team. But if there was an all NBA team fifteen games in. He would probably be one of the guys on the one of the six guards. I don't know if he will be at the end, he certainly right now could see the could see that. But yeah, I just think it's about one hundred at least so have shot, you know, which it looks like in the east with the way some of these teams are playing early on. You'll have a shot at. Yeah. So right now his max is five years one hundred about one hundred ninety one hundred ninety five million. Is. Is going to be immense pressure from the Hornets to pay that. The Hornets of our team that I'm gonna tell you right now is one of the biggest money losers in the league. They they are dependent. They've received more financial aid from there. Counterparts there. Other twenty nine hundred any team in the league in the last five six years. They have Nick petunia. And this is one of the things why you know, Michael, Jordan. You're. A little bit nervous pay given out Amax contract to get Nick Patou on a mex- contract. One of the most questionable. Max is given out in NBA history. Tendon, can you give Kemba Walker? A guy who is the heart and soul of your franchise. But it is not proven to be a difference making player in terms of wins and losses. He's won the many games. But he's not carried them into the playoffs. He's played. I think in. Three point five series right here. I think it's. I think it's to playoffs. There's eleven playoff games. I think he's okay. So had this. I I was only remembering the seven game series against the heat in sixteen before they unpaid Nick between all the money to watch overtime gaming. It's the Sixers the other night. He made the playoffs and thirteen fourteen. They got swept by the heat. I believe. So he's played eleven playoff games. I mean, I don't want. I don't want anything bad about him. But he's not a guy who can care you to the playoffs. Do you give Kemba Walker two hundred million dollars? Why? Thank you, sir. Bontemps? I want to hear this one. This your boss had high through the yes. Well, listen, I would say it's it depends on what your where your team is. Right. Like does it does it make sense for the Charlotte Hornets to pay Kemba Walker until he's thirty three for a team at clearly going nowhere. No. That's why I wrote in January they traded him last year and really got a big return for them. But again, you find the Lakers look for God to pair with LeBron or I'm one of these teams going into the summer looking for a star player. Turn one gyn. He will turn twenty nine in may. Yeah. I mean, look if it's me. Well, let me ask you this Nick who would you bet on better. Who would you be more willing to bet on our four year deal coming up Jimmy Butler or Kemba Walker? Who, but it's not a deal deal. Not. No, I'm saying if you're another team going to sign I don't think the Hornets should sign him. I think they should train them. They're the Hornets are going nowhere. They shouldn't traded. Anyway, they're going to trade him. Dare either. But I'm just saying if you're another team if you're another team has the option to say we could signed Jimmy Butler Kemba Walker say, you're the I don't know whatever the the nets right who wanna star player who who would you be who do you think you're better off? We end the walk which deals with better as in Brooklyn. It will go crazy. They would go crazy. Well, the Brooklyn fans at there are would you'll crazy walk into New York. Walk. Walk with an answer. Either. If it's me to me, I'm still taking Jimmy because Jimmy is one of the very best two way players in the league. But to your point and two Bs point regarding injuries. That is what is a refine you find one of these teams that has money, and that has space and can offer one of these extensions. Either one of these guys. I mean that to me I'm not as high aren't Kemba Walker not closes as to what you are. But the fact that he's out there that is huge in my biggest concern for Jimmy as somebody who's followed him since he came into the league is Jimmy can play at an unbelievably high level when he's healthy. But he misses a month every year in after all the wear and tear on those knees from all those minutes under tubes. How are those these get a hold up over the next four or five years? I've been we're going to see but Jimmy misses a month every season with a variety of. Different injuries. It's happened. The last few years when he's there he can really help when he's not he's not good for the team. So I would still take Jimmy because I I believe much more strongly. The Jimmy is a much more complete player who gets you closer. But Kimba Walker being on the floor is something that you can't take away from them. Although I think on a much better team with much better players. He's not putting up close to the production that we've seen him. I would say a couple of years there are general managers in this league. And they would never say this with their name attached to it. But they've said it to me without their name attached to it is that it's really hard to get difference making play in the play in a playoff setting from guy who six foot. Obviously, there are some outliers there. But that that's one of the things that Chris Paul has struggled with at times in his career. Yep. And you know, you people forget Steph curry actually has, you know, Steph curry significantly bigger than Kemba Walker. And Steph curry is the greatest shooter of all time, and he's perfected an ability to get a shot off over height the way he shoots he shoots on the way up. You know? I don't even think it comes down to play evaluation as much as it does can Charlotte. Tell whatever fans that it is getting I mean, what message would it send to them if they do not. Pay it because one of the things this this sort of this happened without Horford so up with other players to Al Horford comes to the front of mind. Al Horford wanted to five-year max from the Atlanta Hawks on hawks were not willing to give him a five-year max they're willing to give him a five year contract. And they're willing to give him more money than anybody else. But they would not give him a five-year max. And so he went he had a handful of four year max offers. Could have gone to Oklahoma City could have gone to fill. It was Philadelphia. But certainly Washington and then obviously went to Boston. And he was for less guaranteed money. But it was he was sort of insulted that the organization didn't give a five-year max what he had been the heart and soul that team for a long time on all stark cetera. And so it situation like Kemba Walker like there are teams out there who are in the fridge market who will offer him before your max, I've little doubt that he will get offered a four year max, especially for a team that ends up with the chair when the music stops ends up without a chair. You know, when when Durant and co why and you know, Jimmy and some other guys come off the board. Klay comes off the board. You know, maybe it's the Lakers. You know, maybe it's the seventy Sixers. Depending what happens with Jimmy. But there's a team I think he's going to get a four year offer. But will it come down to whether or not, you know, he wants that five-year max, and whether or not they can commit to giving him almost fifty million dollars when he's thirty three thirty four and for an organization like like, Charlotte, and you make you make a mistake on that you can sync the entire franchise. So it's a really big difficult decision. And I know it's hard to the front of people's minds because even in the in the scheme of the summer campus, not even really a top five free agent. But he could really end up being an important player in an important swing. I don't know. I don't know what you'd do. Not only that Kemba has spent the last year giving Valentine's to the Charlotte market. Yes is talk about Charlotte's conundrum on whether to pay him. Supermax or whatever five max contract. Sort of makes me wonder about another point guard. Not too far up the road. I don't is Washington for through from Charlotte. I have no idea. It's it's not far. That's pretty bad too. Let's let me just tell you what just happened there. This is the producing. Coming in and saying my God, we have to get people through this podcast. And there's this story about the wizards and you're going on and on about Kemba Walker. What the producers should just say is Bryan enough about Kemba Walker. How about we talk about the wizards because people want to listen to this podcast later. This is going to be the story. They want to talk to. So she just say that Andrew don't be nice. Just come in with the hammer. Agent agent. Will he has a story out that basically says that the wizards are making everybody on their roster available? Finally, what has taken them so long to get to this point. Don't ever do anything quick. I'll just say that. Well, that's true. So Nick, what's your other than that initial reaction? What's your what are what's your thoughts on that? This should have it a couple of years ago. We were talking about this before the season. That was light and things up on the pod before the year began. Yeah. I mean, the wizards they're not good enough. They haven't been good enough of you can make everybody available. The guy the guy you need to be willing to move is Brad Beal? And that's it. You're not moving John wall's deal. I mean, Otto porter is he going to get you that much. Are you ready to move, Brad Beal? That's what it boils down to for me from a distance. But this wizards group, I mean my God. Yeah, they're not good. They haven't been good enough. And in several years you've attach yourself to this albatross contract. You gotta make some moves in and hit the button. If I'm a wizards fan granted, they're not a lot of those out there. Either. If you're if you're wizards fin this should have happened years ago. I mean, this core was not enough. They had a couple of playoff runs where they were borderline. I could see why they all wore black and everybody got hype big deal. They're five and eleven. And not really improving. I mean, they've had some blips. The big challenge with what Tim, you know, what the challenges what trading? John wall. Yeah. I mean, look in my previous job, I paid a lot of tension to the wizards, obviously. And this is this is something people talked about for awhile now, I will push back on nickel little bit. I think John I think you can move John's contract. I think you can't trade him. I think the talk that he's untradable. I just don't really buy back to me. What are you gonna Bill? Here's well, this is what I was gonna say. I don't know if you're going to get a lot back for him. But I think the compare well for this is when Danny ferry took over the hawks back in twenty twelve what was the first thing. He did he went to the nets traded. Joe Johnson for essentially a pick swamp in a bag of balls. Right. As a bunch of expiring contracts, a first round pick anti picks up. Right, right. I don't even. I don't know if they got I think they got a swap. I don't remember if they got a I. But they they definitely got a bag of all's swamp. Because all the expiring guys were not good. And it was just a just a balance out the money. It was Kris Humphries, Sean. John wall is less tradeable than bleak Griffin. Was when he was with the clippers. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if he's less tradeable. But I mean, again, the thing on is you're talking about four years one hundred seventy million dollars after this. So let me give you the even bigger even bigger number than what than what Blake was on. This year's giants something money. That's a great point though, Andrew if you can I mean, first off the compare the comparison, Joe Johnson is good. Because Joe Johnson was in a contract that allowed people thought was going to be difficult to trade. And they basically traded it for. Cats are cap space. Yeah. And Blake was sort of kind of came out of nowhere. And I think actually looking like a pretty good trade. So here's what that trade was ready for this. So it was was Joe Joe was done the summer. So. And there was it's important to recognize. This was done the summer because you could make twenty it was about June twenty eighth because they needed to get. They wanted to have locked in for Darren Williams to convince during Williams to stay as part of the, but they didn't deal an ex, but they did the deal in July. Right. So, but the point the reason this is relevant is because in the summer you can have up to twenty guys on your roster. You don't have to you could do a five for one trade, and you can pull that off. So here was what Joe Johnson was sent for Jordan farm. Our Johan petro, Anthony, Morrow, Jordan Williams to Shawn. Stevenson. In a sign and trade. He got some free money shots. He was got some free money there. A future first round pick lottery protected and it picks up championship. I'm reading the story, by the way, you'll love this next sentenced him because ten years to cover the nets for the New York Post. The nets manage to keep promising guard marshawn Brooks out of the trade. Well, he was considered marshawn bro steak and five spots ahead of Jimmy Butler. Good for the nets. And the key thing to think about John wall. He makes nineteen million this year. So keep that in mind for trade purposes next year, he makes thirty eight thirty eight forty one forty four forty seven Powerball in unity. Me bleed Griffin every day over that on tract. And so I do I do think it's movable, but it would be a challenge. But like I think you can see team like Miami. Maybe make it a trade for him. I could see a team like Phoenix maybe making a trade for him. There'd be a team in a similar position to Detroit thinking. Hey, if we get we can get a star, and we have them locked in. And he's he's not he's going to be here. And you need to change of scenery. Like, I could see somebody talking themselves into it. Okay. So a couple of things. So number one the difference between the Joe Johnson. There is that the overall salary numbers. You don't thought that it's relatively manageable as you don't have to get a lot. But here's what Zach lowest pointed out, which is that he's got a fifteen percent trade kicker. Just a lot of money. We fifteen percent of one hundred seven hundred seventy million dollars and actually one hundred ninety million dollars would be what thirty million dollar trade kicker who is John's agents a lot. She was jahns agent. Be Fritsch shot the Rich, Paul Mark. God. I have to point out that traded. Trae kickers are wave -able or amendable. He could it down to five percent. But. What are you gonna give that kind of gives him some control over where he goes of where he would get traded. So it's a long way of saying that I think it's going to be difficult, by the way. I don't Andrew. I don't think Blake had a trade kicker. All right. That's seen sink. But I'll look I would we would have heard about that. Because that would have been used. Probably always going to say what is going to go back. The next point before talking to people around the league. Bradley Beal's, a guy teat people around the league have been looking at for a while waiting to see we'll really blow things up because the deals a guy on a great contract that people would I think be willing to throw in their lot to get. And frankly, even though only just I'm in Philly Philly. He would have been a much better fit for Philly than than the guy that just traded for would be long-term. Thank you, very good point bottoms. Nick, do you have to go. Catch your flight. I have a couple more minutes, but it's getting close. Okay. Well, let me just say this. So I think what has a long way of saying is I think John walls, a hard player to trade, Bradley. Beal Bradley Beal, mix twenty five million. I wonder if they had made this decision as Nick Hindi indicated a while ago, especially last summer. The players that have been traded that Bradley Beal could have been traded for including Leonard. I. I gotta believe that the that the Spurs would've would've taken Bradley Beal over damore Rosen. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But they didn't get offered him. Now granted that can time that Bradley Beal would he could have been treated for another star and the wizards to do it. Because didn't okay see offer harden for Bradley Beal way back? Well, that's what they want. The okay. See one is Beal. Yeah. Okay. She either asked for the third picker Beal. Rookie year. And then the wizards. But you know, there's an opportunity cost having done it. Now like. Boy, I mean, Nick who would what's even the trade? What's even the the Bradley Beal trade right now? I don't know. But I feel like the Lakers. I would open up. I would open up the store for Bradley. Beal meets me to be to other. Haven't been any of the Lakers. Young guys by a lot me two guys this last like two months threats in the league is a case study in GM's waiting too long to trade assets that they should have unloaded. Months before or a year ago? I made between the wizards news and Jimmy finally getting moved week ago. Sell early. Don't say way. Right. I mean, like you're exactly hundreds to trinity Cambo last year at the deadline. Imagine what they're gonna copper him with a year and a half to go. Look at look at your boys. The bulls they sold early on Jimmy garn packed baby ahead of their time car packs head of their time. You remember way back when wake when Utah did the Darren Williams deal? They'll move early on Darren Williams too. Yeah. I mean, there's something to be said for I don't know, Tim. What do you think of? I mean, you could we mentioned the Lakers what other landing spots for Bradley. Beal could be out there. I mean, I always thought Philly was the most logical one and the one I would have thrown in my lot for if I was offered up the farm, obviously. Now, you know, I think that's tougher unless the Sixers are washes interested in Moscow faults, which they probably are not at that level. I think the Lakers would be an incredible fit. I would like I said I'd give up all the young guys for him. I think that would be a great landing spot. Obviously a team like the world watching wants Anthony Davis. You know, you would look at them and say, hey, he would make sense there. But they don't have the right now. The Lakers are the one that stand out to me that really like they have the assets and the need that you say, hey, like, we lock in with Bradley Beal with this team. Also, I would think if you have Raby Bieler with list, LeBron it makes it even more likely you can convince somebody to come there this summer too. Well, mucks up their cap space, but a little bit. But if you're say you trade Ingram in Lonzo for him. You're already shaving off a bunch of that money. Hey, right. They have a third spot. Would they have a third spot? Let's say they find some way to to what you guys are saying the Lakers find some way to land Bill. Do they have could they make the moves to? To carve out a third either max fought or close to max by well, they have their first round pick, which is important in terms of if they would have to get rid of a contract that they don't want that sort of opened some things up to do. Some did have to do some gymnastics. I think it's safe. So so. For the sake of argument. Let's say they traded. I don't know if they're giving Ingram and ball. I think I'd want Ingram and Khouzina. I mean, I don't I don't think they're they're not. I don't think are getting Bradley Beal without giving up the farm, personal, okay? For the sake of this argument. We'll say they give up we'll say they give up Ingram and ball. Okay. That would be a net gain. So Ingram ball next year. I slave to make fifteen million combined and Brad, by the way, the wizards are tax payer, which is not good. I mean, if I'm gonna say one thing for sure was getting onto the tax. I don't know if it'd be Johnson said he thought they were gonna win fifty games and make the conference finals I was his ex mutation and tad never stuff like that before. So that only Nova listen, you see this. I think that that's very clear where this is coming from right? Like Ted has spent money the last two years he paid the tax last year. He's paying the tax again, like the I think that's a lot of where this comes from. Like, hey, let's go and they also just wanted. Yeltsin just won the Cup with the hockey team. So perhaps he's, you know, become a bit more aggressive than he wasn't the best so too. So if they saw their net difference so ball and Ingram next year make about sixteen million. And so if you offloaded them and the deal, Bradley Beal makes twenty-seven million. So they would have about twenty nine million in cap space, if they made that trade, so they would have to to get to the what I think that the max is going to be about thirty eight million for for. Ten year max player. You know, if you want to do some gymnastics for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I Bradley Beal, Bradley Beal with Laurent. It'd be pretty incredible though. Bradley beal. Dissolve. It was obvious suitors for Bradley Beal. There's no one that's quite as easy as Nikko catch your plane. Thank you very much, Nick. And guys. We'll so seen a couple of weeks. Let's workshop this. All right. So it's it's not the Lakers who else is calling the wizards after seeing we'll just story because that's how whoa JR works mode story comes out Portland. What's I mean? I just don't see the fit there. Really? What are they gonna do? Offer back. CJ McCollum got pretty much. Yeah. I mean, I don't change of scenery for people. Yeah. I mean, New Orleans would beat New Orleans is it team for all these things that you go. Hey, they need a guy. But it's hard to see what they the peace. They add. Well, this is the New Orleans offers, but they don't really have a guy. Well, New Orleans made an offer for Jimmy Butler, and it was the sensually. It was the sun. Minnesota asked for Jrue holiday, but it was essentially miratec and something else MIR Tich and each one more mirror teaching Solomon hill. I don't see that getting it done. Even if you include the first round pick, no. So. All right. There's certain places I think would be interesting like, for example, think about Memphis. But how does Memphis get it done? Well, more than Memphis than if Milwaukee can get it done. Walkies the one that would make would be great. But again, they just don't really have the ass. Well, he can't trade their two main guys. Well, and you want to add him to do out an ad, right? Not. I mean. Middleton is a free agent to be that would be a rental. I don't see why that would even the trade would have to be would have to include Eric Bledsoe. That milwaukee. Milwaukee doesn't have a trade that makes sense unless they're just offering up like multiple future unprotected first round picks. And even that, I don't know if that really makes a ton of sense, not helpfully Philly obvious fit. I mean, Boston would be a pretty great. Boston. What's the trade? Jalen brown. Well, I mean that the Celtics have a million picks and Jaylen Brown, they have lots of stuff. But I think they're saving their powder for potential Anthony Davis traits. I don't think they're going all in on a Beal trade. All right. Well, you could trade deal for Anthony Davis. Better. Because you know, I mean, you'd have to include Marcus smart, I think in the deal just to make the money work. But Mark what about Marcus smart and Jalen Brown and one of their pit. That's that's that's that's a decent deal. I mean that that's very very amusing. Because Bontemps wasn't your podcast view towards the end where we got bogged down by Bradley, Beal, trades and believe so that is exactly what here we are. Again. Saying we won't talk about Bradley Beal to the Lakers has. Bradley Beal trades at that time with no public. Indication that h- you'd be treated and the morning that Bon temps is on. Again. There happens to be report. Now that Washington is willing to move, Bradley Beal. This is just going to become our gimmick now on what about is. There any is there any market for auto porter. I think there's a market for them. But it, but again, it's one of those things where you know. I couldn't could you trade it like he would make a ton of sense for a team like New Orleans so or a team like Milwaukee, like do you take on c do you take paints Della Vedova, and you know, I maybe a swap or something with Milwaukee something like this. I mean, that's it's not a good sign of great trait. Well, I would want fun maker just because sure hoping for like a prospect. But you know, maybe they that's a salary some bad money. Right. Maybe they take some bad money. You know, you could probably do the same thing with John again. Like, you said with the Joe Johnson trade you take on some dead money. You take on may be going to pick in a swamp, and you take on some bad money from some. So I mean, I think the real thing comes down to is Washington willing to salary dump guy like Otto porter. You have the answers that question. I mean, we don't know this is uncharted territory for the wizards. I mean a lot of ways because I mean ten Leonsis has had the same front office for a long time. He did the same thing with the soccer team. He doesn't make changes. He doesn't blow things up the Cup. The captions wanna cop with Alex of education and nNcholas Backstrom to go wait depth ear to longtime stars that. He never traded just like dealing wall. By you know, if they'd really do decide to blow it up, you know, I think if if they're going to do that they're going to have to take on some bad salary because especially for porter in in wall. Her just I don't think there are a ton of trade options for well. Bray also has some value. The problem is Brady's on his rookie deal doesn't make a lot of money. You're not going to get much for him. And the team they'll be trading for him would have to be agreeing to pay them. And I think Uber is a I don't know. But Uber as a guy who could pose fine trade. That's fine. Just to just a button at this topic from before lake Griffin. In fact, did have a fifteen percent trade kicker his five year deal is worth one seventy two now and the and the team that team that trades the player pays the kicker. Right. I guess. Maybe bomber just wrote the check and never looked pack. A change in the newest CV. I think that trading team pays kicker, which is why the wizards team that gives the player up right yet. Right, andrew. Yeah. Yes. Right. Maybe maybe bombers like I I want him out of my I want them off my cap sheet. Here's the money. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe maybe ten just decides to bite the bullet. Oh, I don't think that's happening. What does that ever happen? Like, I said he paid the tax. Nobody people never thought he'd bay the tax paid the tax last year, and he's paying it again. At least for now. Well, however, however, this trade matching nation turns out clearly we have to wait until December fifteen when a lot of these on. Yes. Recently, signed guys come. Yeah. This isn't something that would happen fast. Anyway, they're trying to draw out the market. All right. Well. More to come. If you're out there traveling right now thanksgiving, thank you for listening. I hope you get to your destination safely and enjoy your holiday. Thank you. Tim Bontemps say thank you to Nick free. Dell is on his way to San Antonio airport. And we'll say thank you to Andrew Han and to kyri and have a good day. Everybody.

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Celtics Beat Clippers, Kemba Walker is Back

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

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Celtics Beat Clippers, Kemba Walker is Back

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So that's something to be happy about Celtics beat the Clippers 1:17 one 12 a.m. There's not a fair amount to talk about in this game a really good offensive game overall, you know good performance is certainly Kemba Walker not so much. Um, you know good stuff from Rob good stuff from Tristan just generally just good offense. Just one of those nights. We're just felt like nobody was going to miss all night both ends of the floor. So I want you to start it and well, you know, we'll do just so everybody knows just wait Pavone is here. He is. He did a clns Instagram take over so he's been all over social media. Yeah, he's probably doing some crazy Instagram stuff right now adding to his garden story, but he's going to join us hopefully with a dungeon from the dungeon soon, So we will get those weighing but we'll hold the football hold the fort until he gets back. So Bobby what's up first thoughts here. Well, I guess we'll do, he came out scorching and was pretty often throughout this one. I thought those back-to-back threes in the second half where the key moment of this game that gave the Celtics are multiple possession. We that they ultimately had to the rest of the game there. Once they hit those became a rebounding back the rest of the way. I thought the Celtics are pretty Dreadful on the boards for most of this game and show it to you guys. Robert Williams came in and made all the difference there. He was a rebounding machine as he has been for most of the Season change, but on camber, I mean, what are we talking about at this point? I ten games now somewhere between eight to ten games in a row where he is been himself at the very least. Maybe not home. Most exceptional definitely not his lower rung of production somewhere in between. You know, he's been steady. He's been fairly consistent. I'd say double-figure scoring every single game now four or eight straight games his last one was the seven point out against Utah, you know a few nights off in between a few months or games off of those nights off 25-28 32,000 see when he's fresh when he's well-managed at this point. He's going to be able to give you Kimber production. Like I think we're able to say that he said to me he said to like those two here we go off on Star games, which would be the 28 and 32 the 28th again, we're not rode off but that was that was a tray young game, but it didn't matter. That was the first game where that's the first game. I feel all season that he looked, you know, like himself like not just cuz I think we've been grading them in a bit of a curve. Yep. I don't think he didn't just look like pretty good camp. I thought he looked like, you know kind of like upper-level Kemba in that and then the 32-point game. Those are the two games this season. You can point to and be like, I don't see a huge drop off between last year, you know those two more than more than any others every other I think we're looking for it or maybe like I said grading it a bit on a curve but there's no question the last 10 versus the previous ten. There's just fewer Clunkers in there. And that's the key, you know, it felt like in the early going he'd have a 18 point game. Twenty two point game where it shoot close to fifty percent. Then you'd have a 3/4 18-game those you're seeing fewer of those which is huge right now. Yeah, I agree. I mean you can you can just yeah the month. Go ahead. Okay. I don't know if I'm on a delay or something to say you could easily make the case. I think John signed away. Okay, something's up what to do it, right? John are you good? 5 player way Jimmy fire away don't hold back as long as John's like okay. I'm just going to start talking. I think over the long like nine games will say easily Kem is the best player on the Celtics right by far and in my estimation you mean the stadium is playing borderline bad. Jaylen Brown has regressed suck it from you know, the yeah. I knew John was screwy. I knew John was scary feeling groundwater in a different world. He's like talk. I was like I'm doing I've been talk anyways, you know Kimball sort of slid in here and has Believe It or Not the stable one of the bunch and you know, the whole knock-on Kemba when he first came back to the team was this guy is so inconsistent, you know, how long he's so streaky. Can't shoot he's lost his shot. You know, they can't play on the way they want. I mean, he's every time he's playing now. He's right up. He's right up around that 30 minute marker. I know he's not playing back the back seats right up around that 30 minute. A marker more so than not the shot is starting to fall and it's not just the shot. It's the it's the way he's moving out there. It's the drives to the rim getting to the line the activities more so than just what was his field goal percentage. Yeah. He's still going to have the you know, 5 / 16 night or something like that once in a while that's never going to go away that's always been who he is. You know, that's an NBA scores NBA shooter you get those but generally speaking you're not cringing when the shot goes up. You're not saying, you know, don't you you kind of are at the point where welcome back John can you hear me? Oh boy. I'm afraid to talk. Whoa. You're coming in hot. Are you? Yeah, I don't I don't think John has us. I don't think you can Aeris. I hear everything. Oh, you got it. He's I think he like did shrooms or something. He's just a little behind everything. So we'll keep it moving. So what I was saying what you were gone was wrong that Kemba Walker, you know for you can go out you can say whatever you want, but nobody's been in most consistent player believe it or not over the last, you know, what's just caught not nine or ten games or you can be probably even go back a few more. I'm not repeat everything I said, but that's generally sums up what I was what I was saying, so I heard everything. And so this like literally I see you your lips are moving. I hear the words as they're coming out of your mouth. You're not changing. Yeah, so, you know, you're just we got you fine. We get you off. I don't know. We're good now. All right, so we're all good. You know what? I think? Yeah. It's a little hot but it sounds good John. Oh, it's fine. Yeah, I think what it is is John probably just did not want to hear it because John Stewart the point where he almost doesn't want to believe what he sees with Kemba Walker. He's very skeptical still. Yeah regardless of coming in hot cuz I'm about to come in hot, you know, you're good. So let me forecast a jolly. What are you going to say? His percentages are in the low 40s, right? I'm going to say nothing, but I perfect obviously, I probably am moving like, what's that moving on then? No, I'm going to I'm going to say the same thing. I've been saying all along. We're not I'm not nitpicking Kemba let off. Lose our minds here. He's still a lesser a slightly lesser version of what we saw last year at his best right now in 20 points every game what I'm saying is at his own best. We're seeing roughly. That's a few glimpses. We're seeing flashes of what we saw last year, but you'd still say this version of Kemba, even if it's taking in the whole, you know, the whole package is a slightly diminished version of last year's Ken but but that doesn't matter if he was ninety per-cent ninety-five percent. Everybody walks away with a huge smile on their face my Kemba concerns from the beginning of the year is this is three more years left on a contract for a guy who's been shut down a couple of times My worry is he doesn't make it either through this year or through next year or to the point where all of a sudden you've got this massive liability in the latter years of the deal. So if you can find a way to deal him for anything close, I would have pulled that trigger that's always been my Kemba take off. I never didn't expect you. I'm coming back and looking pretty good for teams are playing or playing in stretches last year. He looked he looked good last year. Then he got shut down. Then he came back in the bubble pretty good. And then he limped to the Finish. That's the worry. You just don't want to see one of these days. Oh, you know what? He's going to sit out three games for games. That's when you start to get worried at this point. They're fine choice and they're managing him. He's missing backs on the days that gets a little bit of rest. He's come back and he's looked fresher. So right now the management works if it's sustainable over the course of the season game win great victory for everybody so funny. Yeah, you are so fired up John you would think that Kimbo just played an awful awful awful. Where's your positivity? I swear positivity. Let me know. It's just great play right now over his last ten years. We're talking about like 4 a.m. 5% from 3, you know mid-forties from the field who cares we know he's had struggles inside, but you see how that goes over a longer stretch because honestly the line just keeps what direction am I going here off about every single game? It's a little bit better and it's progress and it's it's I don't think I think we all agreed coming in in the season John that we are never going to see all star come by again that first month and a half or so. I thought it was here when he was the face of the team on the ball the time getting all the shots that's gone. Not only because of his own health and you know fight the crime but because of the role Tatum and Brown Appliance should be more scared. It's going to be more Collective. So this is like the high high-end really trying like you don't get it by now again, we have to look at the whole picture on the look in the same way. We weren't going to judge that poorly when he looked like he was moving well and shots weren't just way what's going on man. Sorry trying to get a better job. Real light in the shot instead. I like what joke was doing the same way. We weren't going to freak out on nights. He moved. Well, it wasn't hitting shots. Okay. How long are we going to forget every single thing in you guys had as well along the way which is a well. He's he holds the ball a little bit too long. He's got a playoff ball a little more. He's a little to ball dominant. You get the ball in the Jays hands. He's a defensive liability. That's what you guys are saying about that's a different question. You have to still you take the whole package and consideration and then you have a guy who coming into this week at a negative net rating overall in terms of his place. So again you this is the kembo you need to see because the issue is if he's not scoring he has negative value when he's scoring life this solutely it's huge especially for a team that doesn't have guys who can create their own offense and it's huge and I think one thing we notice here is I think Brad's got a really try hard to make sure that song Three of those guys are on the core as much as possible and stress that fact cuz I think the the the offenses that only have one of the big three at a time or is where I really started to stagnate so but when Kevin's not going you're screwed now, we haven't gotten the title which we will eventually but you absolutely have to have Kemba being an offensive Force to have any chance of this team being successful. So absolutely you take this just way you have an energy has to wait on anything. I mean, I understand your concern John but I think that this this team is in a position where they don't have to rely on campus is closed out the game. I think if that was the case, I think if if they had to rely on come out to be 4th quarter comeback to win games and yeah, that would be a humongous problem. But this is team win tonight without chem doing this know. So, you know, the the point is valid because they needed that tonight it made all the difference the scoring in particular but I think with most important for Kemba is to obviously finish in the pain, you know, get to the free-throw line. I think when she's doing More often I'm less concerned 12 3-pointers. It's a bit concerning. I'm with you John a lot of stories. That's when I start to worry that Kimba isn't isn't confidential to finishing the pain when he starts relying on three-point shooting, but at least this time around he was doing other things six assists, you know, six rebounds, like killing the status. She defensively John. I know you probably overlooked this on a high note, but he got a defensive stop on Paul George that three-pointer that counts John that's that's a stock, you know, like his defense I do he's running ways to be effective in other in other thoughts on the passing, you know, let's talk about the passing tonight. We'll get to that in a minute, but there were certain movement is due to Walker he took on the ballpark, mr. Few minutes. When Campbell ripped it up, we we lost we lost jail and at some point. It's a whole new but that's a different that's a different conversation though. That would be an issue. Even if Kemba was a hundred percent. Yeah, I see what you're picking that you're trying to woo you saying it would be to get in the way a bit cuz I have time when I did not Port I'm saying is going off. Yeah. Well you did but I I knew Kemba was wielded right you can see in that second quarter in my report. I'm like, yeah Jalen's is to talk of the first half off but Ken was warming up and look out. So I started heating up sort of step back a bit started six at 6 for brown and then he finished two of eight. Yeah, two of eight. Yeah. So I think my my I'm thinking about this performance tonight chemist performance tonight is exactly what you need. And you don't win this get out him tonight. There's no question. But go ahead Jimmy. Yeah. No, I think we're we've we're kind of jumping around a little bit like John you're kind of focusing on like the overall chem experience like not dead. You're you're thinking so far. You're thinking like about your for right now where it's like well, why don't we just focus on this game and the last few games and you know, he's going to play Thursday. They have an All-Star break up in like so far. He looks healthy and that's why I'm off the hook on my apology already because I think he's already proven at least what my initial concerns were going to be that we were going to get a guy that was just going to be you know, 60% and playing 20 minutes or yeah, you know unless and and so like for that at least we're not getting that so I'm way less concerned about the future than an M Life the present and and honestly like with Kemba Walker the way he's playing right now Minister would be so much worse off if he needs to be the alpha on this team and maybe we all jumped ahead and thought that this was Jason a team and Jayna brown steamed a little too soon. These guys are still pretty young, you know, they do show up in spurts, but they're not consistent either. Everyone wants to criticize Kemba Walker's inconsistently dead. Inconsistency who's been more consistent than Jayson Tatum recently, you know what I mean? So yeah. We will but I just want to I just want to finish by saying, you know, I'm I'm you know, it's a good thing. It's all isn't obvious good thing that Kemba Walker's stringing together these performances and I know he's not playing the second night of back-to-backs. I'm okay with that until he's you know, probably a good thing. Yeah, I'm fine with it based on the way. He's he's got based honestly based on the way some of these guys look like Damon Brown. They should probably be sitting down some more games than what they've been sitting up because they look beat up out there half the time so I'm okay with the minutes management and I just think we set up before the before the season if Kemba Walker can't come back and be close to Kemba Walker team has no chance and we saw that a number of times this season when he wasn't playing her when he wasn't himself. So the fact that he's very close now. It's now it's goes the boss back to Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Where are these guys, you know, because now it seems like like you said John can they all coexist? Well, then again, I just want to close the loop on the chemicals. It's a it's an annoying conversation every single time. He has a good game and see John he's not going to move. Where do I take my capable of good games Norms might take away from this game. Wait till year four of the contract. I don't give a crap about that. I'm just simply saying what it said that I've literally thought you said in the group chat prior to the season was I'm worried about this guy. I think his knee is messed up. I think Danny's trying to make sure I would absolutely bail here. That's it. That's that that's I said from day one. That was the wrong move and I still think it is even if you were able to get like fair value for every now whatever you laugh change over it, you know, so yeah, but whenever you think fair value and it's right now you have a plays. Well Keva play grape Celtics need Kevin to play grade. This was a great game if you had this Kemba Walker, All year long you're thrilled. I ask you again. Yeah me ask you again guys, if you could trade it in for a fair-value right now, whatever you think that is would you do it? I don't know. I don't like that question cuz I don't know who the it's going to I don't know whatever you think whatever you think the right return is for Kemba. Yeah, that's a hard. How do you gauge what I'll throw out all throughout the the one I brought up yesterday if you can if if apparently never going to get it was never going to re-sign a Houston. He's going to be a free agent at the end of the year if the Celtics are dead set of getting away from Kemba Walker's contract if they feel the same way John Fields were like, we don't trust this guy's me in year three or four then you would like to get rid of my contract if you can bring somebody in like Oladipo and if you have to flip if you have to trade them something else to entice them to take him but walk or whether some sort of pick package. Would you be much worse than aren't you home? 10 times where I know you're you're not but that's just not 10th. Kemba Walker's ten times better than Victor Oladipo with Auto Depot shooting this year like thirties thirty-nine a really bad. But yeah, so shooting 39% Yeah like, oh, he's not like stats for one second. I mean, yes Kim becoming the reason the reason the reason I say is it's hard to get a status because with this team, I mean ideally this is if this is going to be the regular Kimbo or 0% coming in Yeah, I mean listen, I just think you it's hard to replace the one like Kemba and plug in a similar value for this team because the respects the you know, I think all of them plays a part in you know in his relationship with Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown, so I don't know man. I don't know if that's the solution if you want to look long-term sure, you know, obviously that's the move because we don't know when this knees give out but on the other side of things short-term if you just seen want to be successful this year. I don't know if if I bring you another point guard right now is the best thing for this team in the situation. Thing. I'm I'm just talking listen and that's what you have to decide. Are you are you are you designing your team for just this year or for the future? So that's part of the decision-making and I'm not advocating for the trade. I'm just throwing out a player instead of just know it's not realistic realistic. It's red. It's too tempting not to you know, keep keep it keep it going. We come by come back to point the way he's playing right now. Yeah, I still think he's a great fit for this team. I think he allows you to get you know, third star production while also, you know maintaining Tatum at the least. We do have to have that brown conversation because it does feel like they kind of run into each other at certain points. So your argument I can't send that one point but I'm not arguing enter vacuum. I like all three of them figure it out. These guys have to figure it out. Yeah there goes they'll talk about trades or just one know but again, I watched this team guys and this is what drives me crazy every night when you're like, I just see how it goes off you're going in the crunch time and I know Marcus Smart's out with semi ojeleye on the court like really I love. Oh joy. I think he's had a fantastic week, but your fifth man in crunch-time cannot be semi ojeleye. There's just no way around that like like I defend him as far as anyone had to spend the whole day in my mentions talking about social a it's like a year from now. I'm going to look back on this and that's your job. It was a good upgrade for o j at least for this season for short-term that he's young, but that's just me. I don't want to I just wanted to throw that out there. But yeah, we'll talk about a truck last week. It was that we saw what you saw Luka did to him. But what's that? He's young make. I think like 12 or 1 or something like that the fattiest young is if you can unload Tristan and a pic then you could do it. You could just you still PE. You know what I mean? Like I'd be willing to do that and still hold on to the TP is something that you could roll the collateral move what that's what that's what makes us but that's what life is great for that. He's done without using I mean exactly about we're talking about the Chicago Bulls here. I mean, there's nowhere near the playoffs off and you might be right John but again, it's even if it moves the needle like a centimeter forward it's not going to be that dress. That's what I'm doing is you're still preserving the TP which is an asset. So he is thirteen P thirteen million this year, which would be Thompson matched next year. Looks like he turns on Yeah Yeah from that's got a non-guaranteed forty next year. So you could also keep them for next year looks like wage. Wanted to yeah if you're welcome in yeah. Yeah, so that is something so I guess we could trim involved and we did have we had a Tatum turned the corner game and then we had obtained looks like ass game which which is frustrating and confusing to people because it again I you know did a thing or two late fee mean it's like you turned it over twice in the final minute walk em with the with the with the lathe bad past, you know driven driving into nothing past and nobody and then the offensive foul call and I know Bobby you're super against it, but he leaned into I mean it could have been a no-call but they called it they reviewed it and they and they confirmed it so, I don't know I don't like the way they handle those the way they give it out. And again this this game could have gone in different game. Action if that jump ball didn't go Boston's way which drives me crazy because of the fact that they call it the foul Rob has it. White Roberts, why can't Common Sense Prevail there? I know that's probably the rule but it's a ridiculous rule that you go to jump all and all of these different situations. So again, we're seeing game after game in crunch-time. Replay jump ball. There's no game. It's just like, oh let's restart cuz we can't figure this out. I think I know which, what's going on here. Would you be like with connections? No, I said you can grab another one. No, no. No, I mean look at the comments, but what's going on with what? What do you guys think here with Tatum? I mean, yeah. Somebody go. I don't think it's I don't think it's something I don't know man. I don't think it's like the Clippers playing Amazing defense on him. Even though they did come out strong. I just think some time he gets in his own way. I don't know no other way to put it I mean everyone's talking about fatigue. Yeah, I guess you could point to that but this homestand I gotta be honest with you heading into this one. I expected a big game from them or at least, you know something yeah, I expected it to be solid. Maybe maybe is the fatigue. Maybe it's really starting to set in you know, and and look like he was going to the motions and some points off. I was honestly surprised to see that. Yeah looks frustrated and I hate playing The Body Language game, but he is no no, he's sulky thing going on. He looks like he's frustrated cuz he's not shooting well, but I mean, you know again, I tweeted, you know at one point during the he did that one foot Fall Away going against his body dead. You know, you know shot any any missed and then he goes back and like three touches later. He does the same exact thing like and the announcers were like, there's another really difficult shot from Tatum. I mean, it's they're just terrible shots and just forces but every time he went to move everyone's like we know you're going there or every time he pulled up. It's like we know you're going to pass now, like it really looks like it's absolutely slight like everybody on the court knows exactly what he's going to do before he does it it that's what it looks like to me Jimmy. You're nodding. Yeah, we've been saying this for the last few shows. I don't know how long you were there and purpose person. So maybe you're maybe you have a better better view of how it went out there. But we've been seeing the last few shows. It just looks like he's like moving in quicksand, you know, it looks like the shot takes 10 minutes for it off. Like like we said, it's like Defenders kind of know what's coming. Yeah. I was going to I was going to say a little bit of that and also that energy in the first half. I mean, that's the the secrets outrage. It's like a I was a good man secret source told him, you know the secrets out you you you charge out at Jalen you charge out a Tatum and and you make the rest of the team beat. Yep, and I definitely saw a lot of that in the Clippers approach defensively, but I mean, I don't think the anticipated attempted to light up like the way he did oral Jalen to get out to a hot start and that that really held them through into the half-time. So yeah, I was going to say Beverly's a tremendous Defender and that plays a role in it. I feel like whoever he guarded tonight was going to be shut down completely. If you want to go to Canberra Road. Kemba probably goes like three for 12 on this game. So that guy's incredible. I I do not really sure but man, he was under you like he sits underneath your feet as you're shooting as you're dribbling like the way he gets in the guys do follow right over the top of that all game if you've got that I fight or I played Short guys like that and it can completely throw you off your on your teeth you but my overall point on him though. We said hi release. That's a that's a gift right there. I get off and your overall point of cute just turn about this like second quarter. That's only way forward is just being taller. Then with the total second quarter drag, he's on right now. It comes down to him having so much isolation having so much pick-and-roll with healthy outlets for Roman in front of him. Like I thought that page from Sunday was so ridiculous at this team only throws in general the 5% of their old men. We all know about the ball moving issues around him. The way the offense is structured. I don't think it's doing them any service. And again, he's a phenomenal isolation player. This is probably like even with how tired and beat down. He is the high end of you know, what you would get from a player running isolated and control this much. Yeah, like wage raised by some numbers are among the work League. Yeah, like I think the whole system relationships are terrible. I think the whole system just isn't suited him. Well for that kind of sucks right now, like they have to get things ramping up moving a little bit and then crunch time you're saying can be able to do that right now better than Tatum. So this goes back to my point from the postseason that Ikea's flashes of Brilliance on the bulb. Being the lead ball-handler this team, but I think this year in particular they need help whether it's smarter outside guy. They need guys setting up the wings the centers Shoes Off the Bench like they need a facilitator and campus done a phenomenal job the last three or four games, but even he probably isn't enough for a stretch run the importance of smart right now, whether it's defensively or offensively, it's just through the roof like they need him so badly right now. Bobby I didn't know that you were you the one or did you make it to like Euroleague when you were when you were in general wage anytime except play? He stopped playing at a level where he was still the tallest guy that's gotta tell you something about six feet tall and if he was young he was the big guy when he was playing that shows you how far it went. It lasted longer but these little guys just they just got to them, you know, they made it uncomfortable for it doesn't say that's all I'm trying to I'm just trying to give some context an example for my playing days. So I I kind of agree with I don't want to harp on him too much cuz I feel like I'm repeating myself very very showing up because unfortunately, he's pretty he's stringing together these, you know with performances and it's like what's going on with this guy and I know that Bobby you wrote you had a pretty good article I read earlier today. You talked to Drew hanlen a little bit about data and you know, it sounded like you mentioned something about horrible. Yeah, why don't you why don't you why don't you describe? No dead. Yeah. I mean if a guy in his camps going to say he's been horrible then you know, what are you what are you going to say to that but the covert think real I think he thinks he's mentally psyching himself out right now more than physical thing. We saw the missed dunk against Indiana. So right now I think he just needs a mental rest. So that brings us to all-star weekend. He's going to be doing the Three-Point Contest. He's going to be playing a game starting probably playing heavy minutes out there. It feels like we talked about that every year. We'd rather have a guy just sitting out relaxing and resting and having like that star status of all-star weekend. I know John made the case against being there. So that that's going to be yeah, it's going to be another last day of rest for him travel on both ends his All-Star breaks into me what like two days altogether wage. of wrestling Yeah, well, that's the thing and everyone's like okay Boomer like you don't want them to play. It's not so much like the the minutes that he's going to play. It's an Oscar game. They're going fifty percent. We understand that. It's not like that crazy of a thing. It's just like just like that. Yeah, just unnecessary travel staying out late, you know, all this stuff all the all the stuff that goes along with it and it's not to say they don't deserve it. You know, you want to know the bigger issue over the cocktail, you know? Yeah, I'm telling you Max Max doesn't believe me, but I'm like you really think that club in Atlanta Georgia the infamous clove magic not going to have some sort of event that we can you crazy. Of course you can you please going to do is annual parties and do all that. Like if it's going to be not as it's going to be all over Instagram headquarters, you really felt like, you know everyone, you know, the who's who's, you know, all these the venues and you know, they there's going to be Plenty of money every single major Atlanta rapper is hosting an event this weekend at every single Club there like they are going full speed ahead and the mayor saying don't come back. But all these clubs are like come on in. You don't think Jaylen brown nose a couple of hotspots. Do it all weekend. Come on. I do think the League's going to clamp down in a big way though. Like they're going to shut down the hotel and make them come in and out. There's like they might not even stay the night. They might get all those guys out of there because they they can't risk this they can track all the stars. They can't they're not in the bubble Lobby. Turn on the bubble zero. Is there a you know on international waters? If you will, you're not in the bubble any way you can kind of come and go as you please do what you want with you know, there's no over watch over them. One last thing I'll question about Tatum is is he being too hard on himself? Like is he more aware than everyone that he's not playing well, and is that like if you just piling on himself and is that why he's frustrated out there? Is that why he's not really even smiling when he plays. Well, he's just like frustrated with everything we're dead. He's just not having fun at all. But you know, it doesn't look like that. Anyways, I think so. I think Tatum's to kind of score that he's not going to slow down right? I mean if he goes, you know one for ten he's going to still do drugs. I mean, I think that's a sign of a great score. But at times I think ten of type of person were what other players would would all the superstars were trying to do other things. I don't know if they them Necessarily all that category at least not yet. Right. I mean you could do a little playmaking you could defend a bit but his bread and butter is a scoring and when when that's not there he's not comfortable on the floor, but I see that I think we know enough from Tatum to notice that it doesn't mean that he's out cold for the entire game. I mean tonight the best example of that right hit those shots down the stretch. So I think because of that never going to stop trying to regain his momentum because he knows that he can get it back at any time is the value of what he could become going through this as a ball-handler is a weird guy in a team worth. There's some of the struggles that are going to have to go through right now. I tend to say yes, but man, is it been a long arduous process going back to last postseason again? I think his struggles in this role in a spot played a big role in to them. I don't think you make down and the pressure on him is so massive you get me in a week to say I'm maker he does not make the decisions quick enough off. And again, it doesn't mean he won't or can't he but he doesn't when when he when the doubles come he is his instinct is to basically allow himself to get pushed out into dribble further route instead of make that quick patch. He's got a recognize it before it comes and get it out. He just doesn't do it. He's it's definitely everyone's making a big deal about his playmaking sure like he's made some nice passes this year and done a couple of things that you're like, oh great vision on that. I just don't think he makes it quick and he doesn't make it under pressure very well. And that's a problem with him being a primary ball-handler in the offense. Real quick. I wanted to pivoted Jalen it just reading some of the post-game comments coming in here among them are someone in the comments put that he felt said the knee was tweaking in the same thing. I haven't seen that but I have seen him say is he can his body hasn't he hasn't felt a hundred percent for a really long time. They asked him about the Three-Point Contest that he and Jason are both going to be he said he wanted to do the dunk contest but his body's just not responding to him right now. What are we doing here? Like, what are we doing? I don't like you could go ahead and call me like this raging Boomer that wash have the kids keep the kids are having fun. What are we talking about here? Like if you're not feeling a hundred percent you absolutely sit out All Star Games. This is what people do you find excuses not to play in these things. You don't play through injuries. Like what are we talking about? You don't play different competition. He said he's not going to do the dunk contest not yes. He said he's not because his body's off. Feeling right? That's great. North someplace would ignore their bodies and be like no. I want to I want to be the Dunk champion of the NBA right? It's it's it's smart for him to play good. Great canvas season was literally ruined by the All-Star game last year. But yeah go for it. No, I mean listen, I agree. I agree completely and so it's like instead instead of just going to do a different competition instead of like using that time it just chill which is going to lose that by the way, that's not going to go welfare pack contest dinner with them. It's def. It's Booker. Oh and it's Mitchell and and Lovin. So you guys Mitchell and LaVine Dunk Champions and Jalen's probably more a dunk contest guy than a 3.0, We throw shooter. He might have a chance sure. I mean the whole shoot 45% wage this year. I won't sniff the dunk contest. I couldn't even tell you who to of those guys were I had to do a double-take at the names for a second. I just this whole thing is such a disaster like why I took the money that much maybe it is absolutely every day or thinks it's stupid and this is Dom and why are we doing this? But hey, I want to go even though I'm injured like a huge unions the unions get some guys doing some math back there and they're like, yeah, we kind of need this. Yeah, that's what it is, man. And that's why I think it's ridiculous. If you don't think that's going to be outside event wage. You know, we're all going to be a money grab for the city of our guys. I can't wait till other players collude with Tatum and brown and then they're gone in two years. Okay. It's happening here in Atlanta the way down on other way around it was like like minus Miami - like I don't know Texas city like Atlanta cuz you think of a better City. It's a Hostess or that would be willing to do it. I mean Georgia and their practices throughout this entire in Texas, you can do anything in Texas. Apparently. Yeah see like outside of Texas Florida. Boom Atlanta. That's my bad. Yeah, George George has been Reckless with this, you know, like George's I don't get political here. But yet they're one of those states that just they're not so concerned about spreading the virus sucks right now back to the Tatum thing / 36 and I know it says sign everything it's about assist rate and all that stuff, but you can only talk about assist rate within the context of the team and there are many great package. Is right now but in the bigger picture of the league guys who are high-volume ball-handlers for their teams Tatum Brown and jephte. They're all down there together or 36 success with like Eric Bledsoe Shake Milton calling sex then you know, these are like the elite of the elite ball handlers assist guys. I know Boston's offense spread out. There's a lot of you know doing things here, but even just hate hymns assist to turnover rate like the past numbers aren't good for this team. I think Brown deserves more credit more leeway there because this is first season of being a big-time ball handler and produce in that role potato. He's just gotta be better with that ball handling that has nothing to do with covid-19. Making based on how they're playing right now unless they decide to shift the point guard position adjust the roster or Marcus Smart just comes in as like, you know Prime Rajon Rondo for the second half life. You got three guys, what they do best is score and they score with the ball in their hands and you want every one of them to be better Playmakers and it isn't necessarily in their DNA to do so, and the people you want Distributing aren't really off the ball players. And so that's kind of the problem there you've got basically so but I mean you look at the Brooklyn situation you have guys like Harden and I read they absolutely are Distributors when they want to be as well. So it's kind of a different, you know set of circumstances. Like it's none of these guys are really built to be or meant to be facilitate. She really ain't getting a difference between hardened and Tatum as facilitators. It's like it's it's not close. Yeah, it's not closed and that's the thing that you want it. So there's something's are trying to reach So because they're the guys with the ball in their hand, they're most so therefore they have to be able to do more with it than just dribble the air out of the ball or take it to the basket or you know, or or shoot from thirty feet so they don't have to but they're not great at it. And that's just is what it is right now whether they get better fine. I just again you keep mentioning smart. This is where smart matters the most because he's life are by far the best playmaker and distributor on on this team, right? And that's why when smarting the game we get so upset when he wants to be shooter smart and claim your smart. It's like we've got these guys we've got the thing we're waiting on when I hated Marcus Smart, we acknowledge what he's very good at and we just want him to do that. Don't feel the score cuz they already have both of those. Yeah, right. Don't be don't be the take it on yourself to Steph again. That's where we always get we get we kill mark Meadows. Don't be the take it on yourself to score guy, you know, take your dog. Two days when you have them but don't be like hey, I'm good at this too. You're not you're not you're not very good at it. Very good at us. That was bubble markers. Come on, man. Hey, we're missing smart so much in the first day. He comes back. It's going to be did he shoot too much tonight? Oh man. Yeah you takes like you can tell from the first couple of weeks of the Season change that everyone was just like holding there or he would double he was Triple thinking if you shoot it or not. He was kind of like wide-open like no I'm not going to do it every was holding their breath and just like it's just awkward like this Narrative of Marcus Smart's offensive game has a completely overshadowed what he does defensively. Yeah. So again part of the part of the conversations earlier, we're less about his overall production and value and injury history or what he's going to be but you're starting to feel like you're obviously not moving the the the tatem brown combo because they it's two under twenty-four-year-old wings, you know at the most. Premium position who are just reaching their Prime. So you've got to figure out what they need more more than anything else. Every single thing about this team has to be how do you make these guys better? And and how do you fit pieces around them? That's what you got every single move. They make now has to be with that in mind. Yeah, but that that that's that's gone. Now though drawn, right? I mean, obviously there's still the trade deadline but there's no harder to make moves. Yeah, right, right so I can have this team they gotta they gotta make it work, right? Exactly. But now it's the opposite John those guys have to make the teammates better. I don't think it's that way. I don't think it's a matter of all we have to keep feeding these guys. We already saw them all today. It's a 500 seen you all day the personnel. I mean, I mean whatever you're looking for the moves for personnel moves has to be with that in mind. I just think it's too late at this point. I think you you get you get a solid rotation point, you know before the deadline took a couple at best but there's no there's no franchise-changing play that's going to come in here and turn this with this thing around. I mean, I don't think the southern position to do that with with the ass had heading into the deadline. So yeah, here's my problem with that young again if we get back to him as the example cuz you guys love them you dig into it and maybe you don't dig into the teepee that much but in your example trade it in for him. I know move to a different position, but it's still you losing a rotation guy and gaining a rotation guy in that sense and you still need attrition for some of the matchups and the east side there was a reason I'm here and he's playing with him right now. I was just about to say about those to do two completely different things. So I'll let you finish. We ignore we ignore time to tries every single show again 13000 In tonight. So if you don't want to get rid of him you digging in the teepee with a move like that and you want a guy that you can move toward that want to get rid of a parade this ultimately you guys have a case law that you could get a big-name player a rotation a starter guy and mr. Williams, but that's okay. Go ahead. Well, they need another one Beyond even if you believe even believe that's and they need another one on the wing because I watch and semi ojeleye is out there crunch time and you can say oh we had her partner's 58 minutes, but you always going to have injuries come playoff time. Same point here is you need guys at the very least right now who can work toward the trade you're looking for in the off-season cuz if all you go into the offseason, it's sad young or the full TP. You're probably not getting anything in the off-season. Yeah, I mean great question, you know to go back to what John said about remember what Brad Stevens had to say about the the all of a sudden he's bringing up the the Rob Williams injury thing off the hip. Yeah, you know, I mean you be able to go point if they were to trade Tristan Thompson and Rob Rob Williams goes down for the playoffs or in the during the playoff game. There is there is no team out there. That isn't going to get screwed by injuries to top players. You can't build whatever it is you're going to do with the off-chance. Someone gets hurt. If you know, I think it's the opposite, you know, and let me be calling you guys don't accept this is Edwin death until Gordon got hurt off and then that was the huge problem in the playoffs where you're going to say that they needed a More Wings last year know they could but now they could barely share the ball with the guys that they had you want more money. Biggs and three right now or if you traded fattiest for Thaddeus Young you'd want more bigs than that as insurance in case someone gets hurt. How many centers are you going to have on the freaking roster? Like, I'm kind of worried if someone gets hurt if someone gets hurt season's end up getting derailed a lot of the times you pay them gets hurt. That's bad. You know, like of course bad ass. Well, you'd be wrong. I'm still co-signing on this deal here. You know, my my my my name is Jeff still on the ink Thaddeus Young for for for something. I still do that. I still do. Yeah, I have been on Ron Thompson play the last night. I got to pull up Thompson's numbers the past three weeks or so cuz he's been very good and he's working on them off and here's what I'm not going to do. I'm not going to make you sit through another twenty minute versus Christian not going to do it by that off. 36 minutes sets. Can we not let's just say let's just leave it at this. Rob was amazing tonight. He was in a great position to succeed and they played him in crunch time. That's all you guys want. Maybe it wasn't enough but he came through. Oh exactly what I will say. There's one thing I need is a world in which Rob Williams will eventually play 30 minutes of game for some team. It might be the Celtics. It might be someone else and whomever that's for his numbers are going to be outstanding and off to be looking at it saying if it's a Celtics you're going to be saying why didn't they do this sooner and if it's another how in the app did we not realize that's what this guy was that we did not certainly going to happen. And so these conversations were going to look back on them and be like this but the dumbest conversations we ever had when we were talking about cuz of you guys. About a minutes at nineteen a game. There's going to be the dumbest conversation we've ever had on the show and probably you know, those Tristan Thompson's take are not going to age. Well, so don't even like you know thoughts I'm perfectly fine set the world on fire. I actually think his ceiling is even I kind of joke about it and I've been bullish on Rob's last year same. Why isn't he playing more this I am now convinced where the Celtics are missing massive opportunities right. Now of of of something they're not fully realizing she could be a a huge weapon in advantage over other teams that they're not fully utilizing. They have a secret weapon and they're just trickling out there a little bit at a time and it's it really is mind-boggling fact. I do believe potentially by the end of this year whether it's hip or finally some sort of Awakening everyone will see it and then again, we'll look back early in the year and be like, can you believe we were arguing against playing this guy Moss? It this is my point. I'm not saying he's never going to get to that point or that he should know. I think I think I think the process that they're going through is the right one. They gotta see what they hang out with all three of these guys try to win these games take advantage and see what they have with Daniel Tiger. You don't think thirty-plus games. Come on how long they've been good again. You guys are acting like Tyson has been a disaster Tice one on Sunday. Rob was following his head off Thompson's been very good for three straight weeks now and his show the other guys do do some things. Well Rob, especially how would it go right now if he started and played 35 minutes, do you truly know? I'm I love this. Go ahead Rob 21 minutes tonight. I've said this a whole time of Peace playing low 20s. I'm fine with that. It's when he plays like 14 or less when I don't really understand. Yep. He's playing 20 25 minutes. I don't need to pay 35 minutes and I don't expect him to but he should certainly be twenty-plus minutes per game now and the last few games he is taking up to over 20 minutes. So yeah, I think for whatever you whether it Brad finally got the got like the message or whether in Brad's eyes Williams is churning that playing time or whatever it is. I'm going to play more to the point where I'm not really going to necessarily complain about the minute. He's getting as long as it's still getting above 20 minutes which where I think you should be and when he's out there he was out there playing the game grabbing rebounds balls. I mean, he's doing things that literally nobody else on the team Thompson stats. And again, this is a keep making the same point every Thompson staff believed that any replacement level player in his position at that time will come close to his production. Nobody does what Robin do nobody does what he can do. That's not even close this almost there might not even be human beings alive who can do what he does. Like literally he does things you dislike song Wasted possessions for other teams, you know, like Faith but once in a while the vision the hand-eye coordination like he littered his untapped. I mean, it is incredible the blend of athleticism and coordination is off the charts with this guy young at Dunkin zubac. There's a close up where you can see his hand. He's nearly he nearly palming the ball. What a left feet in the air like it's insane. I think it was Lester Holmes. I left it on Western. I think he has that on his feet. But that picture just like it's he's an athletic frame we don't who else is doing then the NBA put it that way who else doing that really threw down the alley oop from Campbell. I mean that wasn't just an ally of that thing. That was yeah that was asked I am I just under is Duncan in everybody's face his fourth estate. Let me get ahead of this because one day he's going to be amazing you guys going to be like time for a bob apology cam on Rob. Yeah. I see I see all the same things you guys are doing the rest of the season an apology camphor rub. No, there's no apology can cuz I agree with all of all the young guys are saying about them. I'm just I'm just trying to bring the context here of why he's playing 20 to 25 minutes because there's other guys and other matchups. Another Guaynabo is now Bobby Brown. Is now is now I better I better if we pull up the last month or so. He's right around 20 minutes like and this is this the thing to we're only about three to five weeks into him being a great player at this point. He showed flashes in the play-offs but we saw the downsides he showed flashes early in the year, but he still saw the downsides him throwing the ball away the pic and Pop's all that stuff Bobby reading 20 volts twenty-two eighteen twenty two. Fourteen. Fourteen, Twenty One sixteen nineteen. 2011-13 10:15. Okay. Yeah. That was my steam. That's the last thing you go 28 again. That's the last the last 15 games. He's played about the same as he played in the first fifteen about 15 minutes a game, you know, he's at a couple he's ticked over 20. He's still very low usage very low usage. Anyway I said we were going to do it and we did it. We did it. I think that's a possibility. That's the right role for him right now. Yeah, I'm sorry because that's what Brad says. No because he's an amazing right now and you guys the most ridiculous thing you've done is say the hips and excuse for him this defend his thoughts. And then what is it you have why would you wait thirty two games or whatever was to bring that up? Because he was never playing enough before it was your exact point that there would be no discussion of a minutes limit for a bench guy that's playing 15 minutes because the the Army itself should be what is averaging 15.8 months in February. He was worried about 14.8 minutes in January. He's playing a minute more in February more sense for someone like taco like, yeah, you don't eat off soreness very big men on the bench come in. What happened? Right but he was projected to be in the rotation or you know, a consistent front of the rotation. Yeah, I just think when it comes to the hip thing in particular we might be seeing a situation where he's being managed the perfect way to get this one of our production out of him, which is outstanding right now. Like this has been a massive bonus. It's nice. I think the plan or whatever it is that they've been doing with him is paid off in a way that he's been able to sustain and play every night. And again he missed Who games with this this was distant come out of thin air. He missed 34 games with it last year. And the reason they got him 27th and the draft because of his lower body blood flow condition, whatever it is that knocked out a lot of his rookie year. So like there's a reason that he's here that they home button. Oh damn, I coach Jimmy would be running on 40 minutes and then a week. We're here from 8 a.m. And go to the all-star game and the Three-Point Contest play 12 minutes. He's a starter and he needs new keeps should be a starter, but that's all right. We said I don't agree with God. Do we do the three all agree? He should be a starter. Yeah, I think you should be playing the most minutes of The Bigs. I mean, I don't I don't get dirty and who's I don't mind if I think you should be playing most minutes cuz he's the most impactful and you need it back for players here. He helps really unlock the offense. I liked ice in a lot of circumstances too. And there are certain times where it feels like this feels like Tyce would settle things. Robb's a little all over the place right now. We have Sunday was Sunday didn't have a great game. But again, it seems like there's no margin for error when Rob doesn't have a great game. He goes out and you know, find me a girl is everything the same amount again, like you guys are still living in this world where it doesn't play certain games. He's benched for certain things and other times he makes mistakes and still gets to keep rolling get everyone deserves Jayson Tatum turned the ball over twice in crunch time after having a miserable shooting game. Like if it was robbed, you would have shot him into the sun, you know, like what time? Is a process man, I think there's a process here and I'm trusting in by the end of the year. He's going to be playing 30 minutes from all going to be happy to trust. Yeah, maybe the fans here one of them talk about Richard. It was Damned. It was damn good to see Pritchard. Not like huh? Yes, he went cold. That was I mean, I wouldn't get to say worried but you know nice little flutter to yeah, the flood one is freaking out about the floater cuz he didn't kick at the Tatum. You suck suck suck suck I'm going to I got it. I got this is a similar thing with Rob Prichard was playing so well earlier this season that everyone was saying stardom ramp up the minutes and he's the best point guard here the role he was he's in and has been in for much of the season has been great and there's ups and downs her rookie and you're going to have performances like this and you're going to have the couple of weeks the rookie long as they call it where you know, it's not as great from him. So it's nice to see him get back to him in the threes off the ball. I thought left him and others open off at 6 a.m. And very strange situations that happened to come there a couple of times happen to Pritchard once and they were able to get wide-open threes off of those which I get cuz of the pressure going to put on Tatum, but that seemed to get paid off. Going in this one and I still love these bench rotations that they have you look at Teague Rob semi and Pritchard all of them were plus and plus by a couple of possessions in this game. So they're able to kill a poem benches in a way between Rob Prichard leave until you get this point. I'm gonna have to take some credit for his last week or so. They have been able to craft nice ball movement, you know, multiple production been aged units set for some reason other teams that have great bench players like La, you know, they have Lou Williams in these guys Reggie Reggie Jackson was awesome even able to kill kill some loss. We're listening. I just have to add the plug-in but now I'm listed above it. That's all I add. It's it's great. It's great. It's awesome. Yeah, I mean the T part when you bounce it not seeing Aaron Nesmith. I don't know. I'm not feel about it. What's going on the car facts right now? Why why are we getting caught up with Richard? Because you and I were very protein Pritchard even talking about starting him, but I was like five games I always had started when Kemba was off when camera was on the sidelines like when it's not his day out. I said start Pritchard over tigor over Javonte green. I still stand by that by the way, what about semi ojeleye home? And I love it Joe Rogan your next Halloween costume Road wage Don't Close Your College someone did it and he put He had the the powdered Donuts on his mouth dog. Like if that picture Services he's canceled. So you gotta be careful now right? I know I know I'm going to be I won't be able to show any more. So I got to be beautiful U re watch any episode you like man, if you save this stuff now, oh my god did say they still you know play my Comedy Central. So it is interesting. You're talking about Teague like Teague Teague Teague like Nesmith died so T could live like I honestly think that's where his minutes went for real. I don't know if he's gone way to say nice place to play card games. I know but I'm saying like those bench minutes in the store, you know, the he's gone. He lost them, you know, like Teague was in Exile. He's come back and and these Smith is gone. And I know he's more of a point. But again, I think that's all of a sudden a little bit more trust in Teague and it's like I'll get my offense out of this the kids not cutting it and we talked about Teague last show, but man it's depressing that he went off. 25 minutes A Night in the first guy off the bench 2700. I mean at this point you have to think he got his chance Johnny you're freaking out for weeks because he wasn't playing at all. They gave birth three words and the ball was getting stuck. It was just another guy. It's running on the corner looked years. You did not make the most of his minutes. He hustled he hit the floor. He played some defense. He just stood in the corner do anything on offense. You look scared. He looked tentative. It's a bummer. I'm more I'm more depressed that it didn't that they're not trying to get more out of it or that Brad came the realization that I don't know that this gets going to give us anything which is a which is a bummer and with rope and again, I know I'm more bullish than most but with Romeo coming back theoretically after the All-Star break, I really do think Romeo is going to give you something here. I don't think it's going to be Gordon Hayward replacement, but I think he's going to play I think he's going to be in the rotation. They need defense. Yeah, and he plays defense wage. Think again this guy this is again why I love guys like this. I know he looked lost last you didn't look good last year at all. But this is a guy who was a top-three top-four high school recruit two years ago. One of the most highly-regarded players heading into college in the nation. Like he has a pedigree there's something in there that you know that he has he's a scorer. He's a basketball player. I'm dying to see it. I'm dying to see it. You know. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm still in the same camp of that you play Nesmith and just see what happens. I don't think you go into a game against the Clippers where like you have to get any signal on the floor, right? I'm very selective in that way. I don't think you put them in situations where you're facing top-tier offenses or you know, top-notch job. I guess the Lakers are those kind of matchups, but every day games, you know, why not? I still think you should get his reps in and get more comfortable out there. Yes, I'm dead. Chris Brown was out in the beginning Bobby when we were asking for was consistently. He shouldn't go again what that stretch where we had that we had the graphic on the screen. He went seven games playing two minutes total then played then was the first guy off the bench for five or six games and now he's in no man's land again. Just get the kit in eight ten twelve minutes a game and work through it a little bit but I mean in spots run some sets get him confident get him playing a little bit this hot and cold thing is really weird. I think it is weird weird is a good way to put it I don't I mean I guess they don't I don't keep a good eye pack like every other teams rotations and whatnot. But I do I do feel like a strange to go from like a basically DMP to like you said, like first guy off the bench getting 25 minutes playing crunch time getting you know lost and Luka doncic his game-winning dry shot and then relegated to you know, the tackle fall treatment again where you know, he doesn't play them. So is it is weird those like massive swings and I don't know what that's just Brad Stevens, you know, just trying to see what works and just going with the guy and sticking with them for that game. Maybe maybe playing a guy like Nesmith of six or seven minutes doesn't do anything to help nice man through the Celtics. I mean, I thought playing him a little bit getting it was getting his feet wet. Getting comfortable would be better than I honestly think I would rather see him eight to ten minutes then get see him get 25 minutes, but it's Bonkers he went it was you know, the last few games was 0-0 before that 714 then before that 20 to 12 or 7:20 2129 the game before that do anything. I must say did it's just strange the units like no we didn't do anything. It's like maybe brushing strange. Am I going to play twenty five minutes a day? We're going to stand there and not do anything and make Jayson Tatum and Jenna Brown do even more than they already have to do. Yeah, he was terrible. That's one of the guys I think spread Stevens was like basic package. Saying like do something if you're not do something then you're not going to play. I don't I don't think I don't think of rotation like that lends itself to be an inconsistent team, but it's what they have. And this is why I'm screaming and yelling every show for a move reliability consistency guys that you can play a game in and game out if they had a reliable third wing Nesmith would never play ever and we'd understand it. We'd be like, all right, there's just better guys in front of them. But right now they have to try everything every single game and I know people freak out about semi ojeleye and Devonte green and some of these other guys, but they have an ounce of reliability like seeing if it's just announce like they know they they can at least be in the right spots on defense and some of the threes. Yeah, I like but yeah, they did what they needed to with Nesmith for right now. And again like you don't have to call him a bust after year one like it is what it is a bus. I am. No, I am the changer for anybody who's kind of feeling that way because he's not in the rotation right now. It's a weird game. It's a weird team and they have to be all over the place a little bit and that's why I push back so hard against the fire Stevens and heat on Steve and stuff. This is just a situation he has and they're making pretty good use of it. Like I said from the get-go, of course, I mean is solid in the same way, you know again send me a safe the same waitressed in a safe the same way like thoughts but you're looking at ceiling it's going to come from within, you know, either unlock something you have in some other players or you play the Jags and and you are who you are you might lose a lot more faith is doing that though. Doesn't matter you go to the playoffs relying on semi ojeleye and Tristan Thompson to be playing twenty-five thirty minutes because you trust them more than you trust other people, you're a first-round exit guarantee guarantee that you would be either way. But that's the thing is you're looking to actualize your ceiling or your potential and that was the goal behind playing Nesmith, which is he's a guy you drafted with the 14th pick in the first round. Theoretically, he should be able to come in and help you if I gave you I gave you guys a salad its audience choose one direction or the other to me you sitting in the middle wage. Either add and pad and bury those young guys or go the other direction ramp them up and trade some of these veterans like you gotta do one or the other cuz right now is Brad wrong for this like playing it safe going with reliability playing these games. I don't know. I'm not going to say coach's job to win the games. Yeah, so that's why I'm not I'm not super anti what's going on right now because wage isn't up here for rookies a very very tough year for rookies. They were they had no offseason. They had no Camp. They've had no preseason. Essentially. They're just thrown into the fire here and expected to walk you to perform. Well on a good team is not easy. So honestly feel like this is almost like a last year for a guy like Nesmith. We're lucky that you know Pritchard looks like he is dead whatever a lot more prepared for the NBA game than you Smith was. So everyone I guess is just, you know prepare differently. Let me just finish that I don't think that means that Nesmith is a lost cause or a bus. I just name You might not be that useful to the team this year giratina's trying to win this year, which the Celtics are then semi ojeleye for we we know what stimulus really is, but he's probably can help you win money more than Nesmith can and honestly, he's he's probably playing more minutes and he's driven when Marcus Smart comes back and if you get one more guy the deadline send me probably fits very nicely into the role that that will Jacob do for him and he's going to deserve those minutes over Nesmith. Now if Romeo ever comes back, this is like the thumb or the wrist that like never heals. I don't know if he's going to come back with a robotic one, but she does then maybe that's the guy who slides into that role. So I don't know how much more Nesmith you're going to see this year. But I think you know, if you get too full offseason, you know in the training facility working with whoever thought you know, maybe it comes back and more polished off type player and ready to contribute but so my question so is it an easement issue? Is it a brat issue? Is it a rookies in the NBA this year issue? Liked would Brad be playing saddiq Bey right now. I think it's a letter probably if it's I think it's the third. I mean, I think obviously every single rookies is unique in that way, right depending on what team they're going to to fulfill void. But in this in this aspect, I just feel like okay what makes it most frustrating. This one nice thing is it's not one of those situations where I see I see a talented young shooter who who is going to need to be gradually, you know, put into the rotation and all that. I mean, yeah a little by little is going to take some time but there's anyone named him getting like seeing it all quick and a month or self. No. No, it's not going to in a month. I don't need a month from today Jimmy. I mean like a solid month of really playing like wage we playing and then compose these and he just becomes maybe not a 20-minute guy, but someone you can rely on just a walk down the perimeter when you need it because something's still giving birth. Way too many 3-pointers and you need someone out there. Everyone is looking at Nesmith a strictly a shooter which is of course you need some of that as well. But the defense was a long way as well. He's not there defensively and this isn't a team that can afford to just have play five on four four hundred and thirty minutes a game just because you want this guy to take the training wheels off like saddiq Bey is on the Detroit freaking Pistons, you can play that guy thirty dollars a game. Nobody gets winter know I I get that to me but it's not like the benches stats man like the computer like, you know agree, so why not plug him into a voice that you meet em, I think I know and that's like we're killing them for something that they did and they and and I don't want to see him tonight. I don't want to see these tonight. We're not killing and Bobby. I'm renting it. It's a bummer that it happened. He got all of these minutes and didn't make the most of them and now he's gone again. It's like almost like I feel like he's done for the year at this point. Like I made me but when you get work back and when you get Romeo back, I have no idea if Nesmith sees the cord ever again like this goes back to my thing, right? Well my dog Mom. That's why I'm pumped. I'm bummed it failed, you know, like a smart comes back and if Romeo gives you something you were not going to yeah, and we'll all be in a happier spot if they need a reliable veteran the teams healthy and the rotation speak for themselves because honestly at this point why we even talking about developing a rookie with this team shark, how are that? They have jobs or John you want to develop Romeo? He's a rookie man. Like you really think last year means anything like guys were working to develop. It's like I said is look again to use pain red cause should be up and active to use other sports analogies. Like, you know, if I if I got a guy in the pan who throws 97 and he's a little bit wild. I want to see if he can come in and get some guys out because at least he's dead. Is 97 miles an hour? I don't want the guy coming out there painting Corners hoping he's friggin got his stuff that day. Like I feel like all of these guys are like just fine enough to survive with but again, you want something more you want to reach a higher threshold. So you want guys with star pedigrees to eventually be able to actualize their potential to get you there. So I am not saying force the issue with Bots suck and you're losing games left and right I'm saying if they're going to get Beyond where they're headed right now. It's coming from within and it's not coming with more semi ojeleye and Grant Williams minutes. It's not happening John. We're on the same page there. Like I get like, I just don't I'm not dying to give up on the Nesmith experiment. You know this season at least right ahead of walk-ins and Joe sway did he said today is not the place or time. I was really played. Well, he played well in the two games before it like this is this is so inconsequentially. I think you're wrong. It's a good cuz he's actually Shifting the needle alot within these games and his minutes but like Siamese just if he can just be like a somewhere between a 0 and a 3 and tonight. He was a plus-11. That's all they need out of that position and like I got to come up with like an analogy here of an unnecessary risk Just For What development that probably isn't even going to go that far for the limited minutes. He's putting off John's your baseball example of like the guy throwing 99. That's that's good for Robert Williams. That's not good for Nesmith nice right now. It's not these meets a guy who belongs in Triple-A for being honest. So with that guy you don't want coming in the game right now. If you're a baseball team playing the way he needs to either he's not in style so he can fit in in those limited minutes. It's not but he's a guy again who you drafted to be a scorer and look again. What was the reaction was what with you coming up with a rep? Thing cuz you're like you saw like a prediction like this guy going to give you this. So no I'm saying anyway draft night. We were all pumped. We were like they were shooter in the draft ready to play now back during the draft. Okay. Neither of those things are true right now and that and it's disappointing. I'm not saying anything can change it but the idea was he's played college for two years. He's dead more mature. You can come in and he's if he he shoots all day. Meaning you give him a once-a-day light and he shoots is the best pure shooter in the draft and he can't even get a shot off playing some game playing 24 minutes in a night and getting zero field goals. Like what is going on there? It's it's unbelievable. So anyway, that's the mentality thing off, but that's it. The idea was he was supposed to be able to come in and help because he had one skill and that skill was extremely valuable to this team an S necessity. So in a team that needs spacing and shooting to not be able to walk Some value in this guy is maddening. That's all that and again Fair Point. Yeah, especially on there, but but to me that doesn't mean just claimed until it worked. I mean, I tried a bummer. Like I said, I have this point. I don't know what I would do if I'm bread. You put him out there another 24 minutes and have them do nothing. I mean, he's not saying we all come on the show and say why is Brad playing this guy named Brad, you know, you don't have to defend grab of all this stuff and then we can say like, oh, why aren't they running plays from and it's like you're going to run six plays a game for the black guy on the roster. Who who does that? No, I don't know you run plays for you know, you run place for korver's and for your Dunkin Robinson's and things like that and I'm not saying he's there of course he's not but that's what that's what you want. That's what you want. You want the guy who can only give deliver one thing for you. But when you bring them in you will have him do that thing and he doesn't he does everything about that off. Yeah me either. Yeah, I was just going to send Jimmy Jimmy's point there the issues at the top of the rush that we talked about the beginning of the show are exacerbating that like the ball movement and facilitators and all that stuff isn't there so they may not even be able to set up that kind of stuff or have like the you know level of offensive cohesion to get more guys involved this team. I know I picked it up the last three games but I I don't feel much better about them. Like, I think they had a good stretch here at home. I think it's more health and yeah, they hit some shots and playing a little better defense but I I I I worked out their crunch-time and sauce sent me and bless them. I love them. I defend him as hard as anyone but to see him being V guys the stuff. I've been screaming about all year. Why isn't there a fifth starter on this roster page? No sense to me. Yeah. I don't even know if there's four starters on this roster. Yeah, you're driving Tristan every night wage. If you got to be encouraged by genetics then can you read the tricks and mine from the Nitro and please just for he was good six of ten thirteen points 9 rebounds. I even made a graphic in case she made a graphic. I mean I did but Bobby's taking twelve Victory laps already about so great tonight tonight. His weird Lefty put racks went in terrific. Okay, she leaves now what we expected we're getting expected and now everyone wants to trade him just cuz the first few weeks are stuck in their money, you know, I want to trade him because the second the second you can fool somebody into thinking he has any value get him the hell out of town. So again there be able to train her so she can upgrade it and Graphics wage five offensive, even when even gave you a little bonus room to turn over and then that's kind of that's yeah. I was going to put missed two bunnies in there, but I didn't have a dog Perfect. Everybody makes mistakes. Yeah, I know so he had 21 minutes Rob had 21 minutes. So it's slowly starting off we go happy they gave them go you guys want is coming. I can guarantee you that by the end of the year mark. My words Rob will be playing 30 2530. It's going to happen. It's not happening today. 2530 around 25 25 makes sense to me. Whoever's your buddy in Sacramento Bobby call them up and see if he's still willing to do that Nesmith for Barnes thing cuz we can talk till tonight. Yeah, I've changed my mind. I'm ready to make the deal will do about writing up man. I hope you still there. I hope he hasn't been watching off right delete the tape from the last couple of games and then you know, man one more game guys tomorrow most All-Star break guys closing thoughts here. Get that win garden, and I think they have a good chance to get another one. I think Tatum Tatum has to finish strong here. I think it's not just about a a mental thing just for him. But wage a call from a team standpoint. You want to see their All-Star leader, you know finish things off on the right foot. Maybe we get a solid Double-Double, you know, twenty-two points 12 assist something like that way if he gets to the free-throw line about, you know, eight nine times. So some a solid show out alongside Kimba and what he's been doing right now, I think we'll go up really long wait for the steam, you know something to look forward to after the break up the game after the break Brooklyn Nets, you know, so that matters if you want you want them to prevent hangover and you know, hopefully Jayson Tatum won't have one Jaylen Brown won't have one that's going to be rested though, when they get back to rent them s team they're going to want to blow you out like it's going to be this is yep. Message with the door right now and the others are neck on the list. Yeah, they'll destroy the Celtics the way it works right now. I I just to build off what I just said there. I want to see something happen over the authors your account. I know it's a long way before the deadline the Mark hasn't opened up and all that stuff but it's my point on what we've heard from age. But we heard from Wick the prices are high and if they want to do some it's going to take some aggression aggression could even be getting in a little bit early and patching some of these holes before the break night. I get why they won't do it cuz they want to see Romeo right John. They want to see smart. This team could end up looking pretty good when they're fully healthy, but dead, you know Health always that go there's always an injury right around the corner. They even dealing with some injuries now evidently that they're just powering through whether it be brown or who knows what's going on with hatem, you know, it could be something we don't even know about them. So I just like to see some some sort of addition at some point here in the next month or so, they're going to destroy the rafters on Thursday. For some reason they've had their number this year and the ram Play gray and they still got destroyed in that in the last game that we saw between these routines but Joe's Place right scheduled just gets growing again right after the break and the Celtics kind of our what they are spot-up shooter. Hopefully some depth contributions on any given day and put the weight of the world on Tatum Brown and Kemba and I I just don't that's not going to be satisfying to me at the end of this year if that's what they're bringing in the playoffs if that's the game plan. They're running into at the end of this thing right? I'm going to keep my final thoughts more just about what's going on. Now. I thought you know, we talked I think maybe we could go about winning ugly games or winning games that you should win and not losing them. This would have been a bad loss for them with with Kawhi Leonard out. So, you know, you didn't get a great performance from from Tatum again, but I I thought this was a a good team win, right because you know, you don't want to rely too heavily on those two guys all the time anyway, so the fact that they were able to win almost despite Tatum tonight was a good sign tells off. That you know, there are other guys starting to pick up the slack and which is exactly what it seems like painting and brown have been asking for so if that means Kemba Walker taking the reins here in the second half he's going to get a nice week off coming up and I'm interested to see if you can continue his sort of you know going upwards here or whichever way we're going. Yeah, and I think I think he's a Difference Maker in the second season, if if you can play that he's playing at and yeah, maybe start playing some some more games then Celtics might might it might be in business. I don't know not going to get off and that's that's a good point. If this is Kemba for the foreseeable future the ceiling of the team does raise a little bit. Yep. My thought is this and again, this is more kind of a heading into the All-Star break sort of thought because I do think they need to catch a break here with a really depleted Raptors team. So, you know, they should hopefully wrap it up with a win for game win streak heading into the brake great, but to me, it's you know, yep. Beginning of the year we talked about Tatum and LeBron have to elevate their levels. I think right now, it's all on Tatum. You gotta see who he is right now is he? Is he the alpha dog can see the guy is he the number one guy on a championship-caliber team and Kenny be that guy or is he this guy who's a little bit off little inconsistent again? We'll give him that break here. I don't know post covid-19. Been there and so he's mentioned there's been fatigue there. But again, I'm going back to you know, even before this. There's just a stretch of time. He's doesn't look like he doesn't look like that guy who took that next leap to the next level. We're going to keep saying he's twenty-two and that's fine. He may get there at 24. This isn't a knock on Tatum. But again, we at least this burden of responsibility on his shoulders regardless of his age already that he is a top ten caliber player and an absolute Alpha Dog in the leader of this team no qualms. About it and he's got elevators game all the way around if this team's going anywhere and if he doesn't and he's kind of stuck here. It's not going to it's not they're not going anywhere so long you keep you better. Hope that's not the case cuz you keep saying you gotta build the team around these two guys, you gotta build a team like the guy because they were matter be good enough to build around we better be because that's what they've got the oldest girl so fair point. Yeah, if they need help they do need help, you know hard help. There's a lot of teams that that max out two guys and they're like shit. It's the wrong two guys, you know, like wage some teams do it with three now. That's not what it is. That's not what this is very happy to have these guys particularly Brown on his contract. But again, they can only walk if they ascend to find out upper level your gray and if they don't you're kind of stuck in neutral a little bit. So this is yeah. This is kind of becoming a trend with this show no credit off. Anna broun he went to eat a 14 with 800 like and and we just blow over it every night cuz it's boring so we go we talked about how he went perfect the first half and joggles. Yeah, but then, you know second half Campbell and then we just we stopped talking about it disappeared disappeared. We got at least mention it off the conversation completely Hot Topic. Jalen was pretty good discuss. I can't set it up like Batman. Well, here's the thing if Jalen Browns ever If he if he has the best time of the team, it's usually how we start off the game. So maybe that's on him, you know put yourself in position to be to be talked about and you will be talked about I want to see a monster game from him soon. Cuz yeah, that's like he's due he's been steady game in and game out. But either the shots aren't there. Maybe you're right. Jimmy is not assertive enough or other guys just have all the time on top of them to maybe it's off. Not for me to say right now. We've had this conversation Jimmy like Amber Brown. They both have great attributes that go bring a lot to the table. But there's only one ball. There's only one ball. That is true. Brad. I'm glad I didn't look at the comments tonight. It looked like it was fire Brad because nice mess not playing a lot. Rob should be starting and this isn't good enough Brad on off during wins. Brad only gets a little bit of Brad Brad. This year is Hayward last year. This is what Hayward got last year. You never good game if people would look with Jim talked about it and we don't have time to start a full conversation, but we talked about that Simmons pod with Jackie Mac when you've got Jackie MacDade Jackie Mac and Bill Simmons both kind of saying like, oh, yeah Brad's kind of sort of you know on that tonight on the hot seat, you know, if you know and we and we get it and those Danny for that matter like you can log You see you chinks in the armor here, you know, like there's the people high up who are plugged in or defend this team to the hilt are kind of like there's issues here in terms of whether it's true outs of the coach or player is not responding and again every win. Everyone's going to take to Twitter and be like, oh looks like they tuned up red again, you know, they hate each other, huh? Yep, they hate each other. I always thought that was ridiculous. Go ahead and just like in real quick taste the steam so it doesn't hold the whole lot away from home home with you because you know a few years ago since it's not that guy but now he's questioning everything like he wanted something to trade for this guy. He's a grumpy old man. I know I know turn into yeah exactly. Yeah, he's turning please Walmer. Yeah that's projecting back and went to Becky it's rare with Jack you talking about firing you say like I was not in Atlanta game Jackie Mac said after that Atlanta game, I was worried about Brad, you know like wage. For my son Brad Stevens and the players are the players don't aren't to speak to him and I was very worried that he's lost faith in because under that you you Jacquees hearing something like this is Jackie and you know, this isn't a robot and let's put it that way but he she's hearing something there's something there's something out there, I think all you have to do is watch that and the whole Washburn thing we got into that and while I've got to see what was going on there, but you can lose a room and get it back a little bit. I do think you're right though. Jimmy that clip of them breaking down the screen action at the Wizards game and the fact that I don't know what what would have been the example there. They happen to know that the coach that they would have just let me go go to the corner and shoot and not like attack the school in action the way you should as basketball players. Like I think we I think we over do that. Well, yeah, like if if you execute the game plan, it's yeah for the job. Nebraska it's a second. He's he looks so unhappy, you know, yeah. Oh they don't communicate. Really. Yeah when Brad that is pre-gaming right off Gary Gary Washburn comes in he goes listen Brad hate. I hate to keep having to ask you about this. I was a thousand percent sure who's going to talk about Robin Williams minutes, but he brought up the firing of Lloyd. I'm like, all right. I was like, yeah. Yeah. I think I still think he's going to he's going to keep firing those those tough questions the bread and and keep it coming like that's like why is that a great year even back to the bubble? Oh, yeah ever since he he saw a shirtless Marcus Smart, man. It's been all over you need that. You need that. You need, you need someone kind of open a new account and asking questions that are uncomfortable, you know, and he asks those questions and it's fair you got a team that has high expectations. It's playing well below them and you want to table About okay. Do you want to hold people accountable for it and you can take it and present that's what we were saying is it's amazing how how reluctant some people are to ask where Brad is Extreme good. We talked about it radio interviews. He's been on with a flat out asked him. Did you lose the room and he's like, I understand why you would ask that. He's pretty he takes he takes a lot on himself. He had he said that the grandi about a week or two ago. They were talking about his job and he was like, I hope I never reached a point where I'm not the highest one of myself and that's why I trust him on a lot of stuff cuz I know he's second-guessing himself. He's trying different things and he's staying up late at night trying to solve these issues. Like I just I have a lot of faith in him as a person as yeah, we know and I think it's going to earn I think off and I really do it was an interesting one though because one of the things she talked about was When Brad was young and he was at a Pacers game and he watched like a famous dog. No game where Reggie Miller, you know when Larry Bird was a coach hits a big shot and burned just sits there like this and he doesn't move, you know, like it's a big game and a playoff game and bird stepped away as if nothing had happened and he was like, that's I want to be I don't want to raise it too high when they go and member in the early games when the Celtics were hitting these crazy shots as going bananas and you had these gifts video of Brad on the sidelines and the whole thing. Yeah, you know, okay time out come over here and talk and everyone loved it. Then they don't love it. Now when things are so you love that he could maintain that level of calm and composure at those times and not act like a freak and now people are mad because he's not throwing chairs or being demonstrative because it's almost like it's less that that approach wage is what thinking that it needs. Its that we're angry. We want you to be angry to write stepfather biggest issue with fingers is like, how how aren't you as bad as I thought Right now and they see em, do you care? I think Tatum suffers from that too. Because being the best the problem, right and you want you want people to feel the way you feel sometimes. I think that's why those guys get killed a little bit, you know a little bit of everything, you know, smart brains the fire on this team and I think that's enough maybe they need one more enough. It's not even any one more guy like that. You're right Jimmy. They probably need one more guy like that. But we also need like that. Yeah, I don't know so they're soft or they don't care and I know that that's the case. It's just like I said is everyone wears it a little different, you know, this is my this evidence that is evident proof that Brad does it a different way whether it's calling these guys out in presser speaking directly to them being assertive with it. The question is does that get through and I don't think we know that I don't think we have an answer for that with this team in particular because that has worked with past teams. I think he's called the modern ways of God. Answers, you know used to remember they have those awful losses and then they just balance back guns blazing the next site. You don't see that as much anymore. They go on a little longer tears. They go up they go down wage levels pretty consistent. So listen, I've said all year there should be heat on Brad firing is not even a question given his track record, but he's wearing their criticisms everything on the table at the end of the year if this season goes kerplunk if they God forbid missed the playoffs or you know, an embarrassing one and done everyone. Everyone's going to be looked at. There's no question about that. Yeah, I mean there's they're no different than any other team. I mean, so that's that's how it's going to be from Conference Finals out of the playoffs like that without without people being held accountable self-assessment. Yeah, right. Well, we won't we won't jump to that to that just yet. Well, let's get to the all-star break. We're not in Campbell your 4 and we're not wage right here where they've already been eliminated. There's hold your horses. John will get there. You're for a boy dog want to give you something to look forward to all be Boomers by the time, you know, we get there. Yeah. All right. It's lingered long enough. Thanks guys for hanging out again subscribe. The room was packed tonight and we've had numbers all night. So thank you for hanging with us on a school night. Thank you. Yeah, that was fun. Keep bringing it. We doing got one more went out, but we will will yep. This one more game and then will pop up again. What do they what do they returned? When do they play again the following Thursday? I believe March 16th will do something between games for sure. But in the meantime, like I said describe to our channels and all are great podcasts and we will be back on Thursday Jimmy Toscano Bobby Manning. And again, Jimmy mentioned it, but you should go read it both on cln it's medium. Boston Sports channel greater range from Bobby about and yet they're best friends feels, and I owe him and Bradley Beal talking to their trainer. There was good faith guys. Guess what and three minutes is Jayson Tatum's birthday. So how about, you know? Oh, wow how old 1919 tomorrow funny happy birthday, I guess first beer today. I'm twenty-three right. Great thing. I throw this around a little bit good number Tatum and I were born in the same month. So this whole 19 thing like birth. Going to be able to hang on to that for the rest of my life. What I'm going to do 12. I'm going to I'm going to know like same month same year. Oh, wow. I'm going to be able to hang on to play with him. And did you place against him or with him? And you yeah shorter than you is that what happened? Oh man wage and happy birthday to is that Bobby's we have letting letting us know that his birthday's coming up to him. Actually not March is a halt mines at the end. So we got like four weeks wage Yeah, March sucks. I'll be ten years older by the end of March every month every year this month kills all those different people some people start their Birthday Countdown like six weeks early. I'm probably more like five days. I'll get you a little show. Oh, yeah. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, we want to make sure we do Bobby Manning birthday week on the show, please. Don't forget about the reminder off that has a series of celebrations that week. We're going to have special segments. Okay? Yeah Special gets it was like she got some Christian songs going to check in to be great. Yeah in person for a segment. We were just headed right off the highway. Oh, I'm sure if that one out too much of a choice. No, I think it's the other way around you. I thought you would call them up John interested. I might go a different kind of way to be too many tough questions. Yeah, Tristan and Khloe from the next one over I put Bobby's article in the in the chat for anybody there. Just go just go check it out guys. Okay, I can I go back and watch.

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Jrue Holiday Trade Rumor, Kemba Walker security and RIP Tommy

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

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Jrue Holiday Trade Rumor, Kemba Walker security and RIP Tommy

"All right, guys, we think we're alive. Let's give it a shot. It's always a delay, but we'll see. I'm just going to spin my wheels a little bit. We'll talk Jimmy Toscano. Welcome to the show Bobby Manning down below long as you see have a spine tripod. We've got a sponsor speaking of trap. I'm going to tell you about him a little bit. It's manscaped. Everyone loves manscaped you get you know, the whole performance package kit. It's it's ready for you. I'm going to give you details on it later, but 20% off free shipping use the code Garden twenty and that's it. It's all yours. But we are here not to talk about grooming. We're here to talk about the Celtics. We are less than a week out to the draft is a really eventful week as everybody here knows obviously you have the big storm was the passing of Tommy heinsohn. We're going to get into that in a little bit. He's a legend. Everyone's got their stories. I know Jimmy does I do we both have the we both dead? Privilege of working with him. I worked with Tommy for ten years and so obviously this is a tremendous loss. Yeah, tremendous loss for the Celtics family for everybody. He's the one Thai we have to all seven championships. We're going to talk about Tommy for sure. We're also going to talk about the NBA draft really only Bobby has any clue what he's talking about. So we're just going to let him talk for a little bit and Jimmy in our office that notepad. So sick one we're going to nod whatever it is. Here's my here's my draft philosophy. This is how I deal with all drafts. All I do is just get angry thought. Oh, yeah for sure. I'm pretty angry more. There's more booing than cheering on draft night, right? I just I'm angry no matter what we do. No matter what the Celtics do the Patriots do. That's just, I just get angry. Sure. So whatever you say Bobby. I'm going to hate it. I'm going to hate that player. All right. Okay, that's actually a good way to just go through life in general. Yeah. I hate I hate it first and you gotta talk to me like a dog. Exactly. And then the other thing we've got is some interesting rumors. So this is where it gets fun. And we're going to start with it right out of the gate right away, you know the Celtics we know Danny wants to move Jimmy. All right there buddy, dude. Yeah, when you see me do this, I'm just adjusting the screen. I'm looking at you're you're barely hanging on the I'm really thought about Radiohead cuz I want to make sure I see all of you. So here's what happened today Kevin O'Connor and I'm going to read the little snippet here in his in his in his updated mock always drops a great great nuggets in here to these gold mines. But here's what he wrote. He said the Celtics have offered up their first their three first-round picks fourteen twenty six and thirty bucks in trades to try to move into up in the lottery. Technically 14 is in the lottery, right? Yep, hiring a lottery. He wrote Into the lottery, but multiple League sources. Say the intent. Yep. Reroute that pic to the Pelicans in exchange for Jrue Holiday. If Boston is able to acquire the necessary assets. They still need to add salaries to make this work which could mean done. I'm done Gordon Hayward or Kemba Walker could be on the move which is where things start to get interesting now at face value. It would seem that way all of this plus a player for Giroux holiday would seem like an overpay. So you're looking here Bobby and Jimmy realistically to involve a third-team get more player movement doesn't seem like that's the type of deal you can make which is to say all of those pics plus a player for holiday when you can argue whether not even the player going over is of equal value, but just what do you guys think of this deal? And what would it take to make it work? It makes sense because of the fact that you have two players here and Jrue Holiday Gordon Hayward who are essentially expiring contracts if holiday off side of the second year of his player option, which is next year for twenty six million. I do think you're right John that they're going to need a third team. They get this done. Now, there's two intriguing players that the Atlanta Hawks who have been talking to New Orleans consistently about moving up to that number six pack and the Indiana Pacers who continue to be linked to the Boston Celtics in some way. I think you end up diverting Hayward somewhere else and one of those scenarios and then taking a bath holiday back to the Celtics and then possibly having you know, either Myles Turner come to the Celtics. It's going to be complicated. There's a lot of guys moving around here because Drew holiday makes twenty-six and Hayward make a 34 which is and then that's our rematching range. The tricky thing is though is hey, we're going to be on the roster. I think that's where this gets difficult because he's essentially going to have to sign off on this trade right eye dog. He's going to opt-in. I mean if you had the option to opt-in if you will do what happening option to do. Okay? Yeah, I think we would I think we would have heard it already though know what that is. I think we would have heard thet were saying so himself that flexibility know. I mean look with the with the numbers here in the cap. I mean the the real realistic realistically he stands to lose a lot by by by opting out unless I don't think that deals there for him this year, but it might be next year. I think I think he often and if and if he does then we talked about the necessity to move him. And so this does make sense. If it's Hayward for for Holiday, it does get intriguing though. When you start to talk about other potential players here. Now what could be you know, and again Kevin, you know, Kevin O'Connor mentioned him Kemba Walker from this might be early to jump off the kempe train. It's really more of an interesting khong. Asian in a bubble about Kemba regardless of whether or not you're involved in a deal for Holiday here whether or not the Celtics would want to try to find a way out of the campus situation after only a year and Jimmy you're you're you're shaking your head now. It seems like a rush to move. It seems like like what is wrong with us that we can enjoy Kemba Walker for more than a year here in Boston. I mean are we that like in this world that we're now we just are constantly on to the next thing the next thing the best thing the better thing like we're already calling Kemba Walker damaged goods like we're already trying to get rid of him. Oh, he's thirty-three years old and you know the teams younger and they need to you know, make sure that they're set up for the future. It's like can we just try to enjoy Kemba Walker and this team because when this when the Celtics Lautenberg previous season just started. These guys are clicking on all cylinders. And I know that the last time we're going to Kemba Walker is you know, he was a defensive liability or he wasn't hitting his shots at way. He was and one of the story lines was, you know wage. What's wrong with Kemba Walker Kenny coexist with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum. It's like yes, I think you can and I think there were kind of jumping the gun here. Look if people are trying to trade him just to bring another thirty plus year Garden in like a Jew holiday. I don't know if that's really, you know Improvement there. So I think I think what's important to me is let's see if Kemba Walker is healthy. I think he will be this guy wasn't damaged goods when he came to Boston. He hasn't been a player that's missed a ton of time over the years as far as I can remember off and I think that he can still contribute a lot and I think that he is the attitude he used to play with the right attitude. So it's not just you know, what his skills are but I think his mentality is I think his leadership is what this team needs and I think he's a player that the team should consider keeping around. I wouldn't just dump them just for the sake of it and I'm not I'm going to give you my take in a minute, but first Danny Ainge spoke to the media this week. I'm kind of a pre-owned. Pre-draft situation and Bobby Bobby was in on and he was listening a couple of decent nuggets here. But one of them was on Camel Walker and that got people talking. It's again. We're talking about his health going forward into next year. Listen to Danny and you tell me what you think here. You've talked about Kemba Walker's name not being right. How does this impact his recovery. How do you expect him to be her ready? Do you expect him to be for a training camp that suddenly going to be Thursday December 1st. And and then how would you handle him during the rest of the beginning of the Season? Yeah, so I don't know the answer to that yet. But whenever it is we'll be ready for that and I have all the confidence in the world that can but we'll be back and healthy and fresh ready when that is, you know, what he's doing right now is not important during this offseason. But you know, we know how good of a player can be is and what a good he can be and you know, last year was a was a very unique situation too in this upcoming years is very unique. But you know, we have to put canvas Health at the front as a as a number one priority going in and in regarding him we have to make sure we got three more years of Kimba at least and we're excited about those three years. He's a terrific player. But yeah there there could be maintenance issues during the off-season and early part of the season, but at some point he'll be back and ready to go. Okay, Nick, we brought Nick in so here's here's what we're talking about. Here. We got naked here. Yeah, I let him in he was he was knocking on the door. Just let me let me in so we let him in know the truth is we begged him. We all begged him to join. Here's what we're talking about. Kemba Walker Jimmy. Okay, I get it. He was a breath of fresh air coming off of the Kyrie Irving stuff. Absolutely. You know, this is what they needed. I am Mark me down is one of those guys ready to sell all of his Kemba shares now and I'm not saying for anything, but I would absolutely look for the right move page. Somebody were willing to take him to get out of the next three years of Kemba Walker. I don't think I want it and it's nothing against him. I like him. I like what he does. I like the guy I like the leadership. I log. His attitude I like that he'll be deferential to take him in the kids and he has no ego whatsoever. He really was exactly what we needed in a year after Kyrie Irving but this stuff with the name and his defensive and the and the defensive issues and the way he played in the playoffs. I'm I think I'm I think I'm all set and I hate to rush to judgement so quickly but one one one more maintenance here and a not-so-good run in the playoffs and that's it. You know, I think you've got one shot to sell hi ish on Campbell and it's now or never and so I would look for it. I thought we lost Jimmy. Yeah, you're talking about for this New Orleans deal, right? I would consider not straight up with all of the pics here. You know for Holiday, I would consider it. I would consider wage. Right now, I think the only reason the Pelican's would be intrigued by this is because of the years on campus contract, but they have to be certain he's going to be healthy. And if I look at the situation and the Celtics are sure he's going to be healthy and the Pelicans to Sherry's going to be healthy. I want them in Boston. He already was damaged throughout the playoffs and played extraordinarily. Well twenty points a game almost who was shooting well in that Philadelphia series. Now, it kind of came to a halt as the postseason went on but he was still Central to what they did in the early portions of it, you know through about game for in that Toronto series too bad Series. Yeah wage. Yeah cheap is too bad series out of three. I don't know how much you attribute that to the knee. But I'm not I'm not on board with 3 years of Maintenance. I mean, this is not like, I'm sorry. I didn't want anything to do with Kyrie's health either the let alone the attitude but Nick jump in here, Kemba, yay or nay. When Danny talks that way but you know where right now, you know and and he starts talking he's dropping there's something more wrong at me. Let's face and he was unhealthy in the playoffs and I agree with John like I can't even say kemba's name and Kyrie's name in the same sentence, even though I just did but I I don't need to see those two. I don't want to see the similar situation and did we just go through three years and hundreds of millions of dollars of Maintenance with Gordon. I've had I'm all set. Yeah, I would I sell my shares now. I know you're going to get mad. There was a lot of anger most selfish Twitter today was reacting like don't even get canvas name out of your mouth. Like nobody mentioned Kemba Walker in this deal and they were offended by the possibility. I'm I'm listening. I'm listening here. I want to hear I want to I want to see what I want to see what they could get done with you John. I couldn't hear I couldn't hear you right off right out of age. Can you just real quick summarize? What what your case was there might take was I'm all I'm ready to share myself to sell my shares of stock number. I am I'm Legit concerned about the knee and I don't think his I don't think this team needs a Kemba style player right now, What do you think? They need more of more of a past passing just like defensive point guard. I mean, I would rather I mean Rondo know but I mean, I like holiday because of you know. And so you you don't have to worry about Kemba playing himself off the floor as he as, you know as happens sometimes or you know, Jimmy Butler just all right, I'll take it and you know switch with a mismatch situation. It's not as it would you wouldn't be as afraid there but I am legitimately concerned about the health and this being I mean if it's maintenance and breaking down in year one heading into another year or early season of Maintenance and let's make sure campus right by what are you got after your for I'm not interested. I don't want to be around for that Johnny or anything with them too is I don't I'm sorry Jimmy stepped on you but I expected Kemba injured or not to be a calming force in the playoffs and that did not happen. I mean, I think in the the Raptors series need that check your heart, you know moment, but other than that, he was not a calming Force. That's probably where my biggest upset with him was I loved the guy I mean, he's authors. Miles is the anti Kyrie. He's great but injured kind of fell apart in the play-offs, but you got Jimmy. I mean, I feel like that's a little unfair because that was kind of a new situation for not kind of there was a new situation for Kemba Walker to just as much as you know, sometimes young. Yeah, he's professional but it doesn't mean he has experience in that situation. So again, I use a new he's a new guy on the team. Yeah, and he took a bit of a leadership role for sure throughout the course of the season. I think him being I think the team being away from each other for long stretches changed the dynamic of things during the return I think play the bubble changes things. I'm not trying to make an excuse them because everyone dealt with the same things but for you guys, it's just sit here and say, oh Kemba Walker's damaged goods get out while you still can I haven't necessarily seen enough of this damage. I mean, but what I'm going through he played through whatever pain he was going through and I'm also not going to say that his struggles were were because of his knee. I mean he was working his way of flirting. Yep. The struggles weren't because of his knee that would work anymore. That wouldn't be no. That would not worry you more that's a guy going through a rough stretch. I mean, what are they? What are they saying about Pascal siakam? I mean they are they going to trade him or they I don't him back to the D-League for the way. He played in a series or are they saying? Okay trying to see if that will have to check that one is Bobby. What are they saying? Yeah, he was doing he was Next Level bad. Now, let's talk about what struggles were for Kemba here 24 and for the last six games he had at least fifteen in each game of the Conference Finals so labored or not. He was still paging through it. You might not have been as efficient self, but he was still contributing the kind of offense they needed here. I think if you're in championships do how many times in those post game show Bobbie where we like to ask what this team doesn't need is Kemba dribbling the ball for 15-seconds trying to find his rhythm. Like we've got an alfa on this team. Okay, and it's not Kemba soak MBA you're much better off. The catch-and-shoot sort of guy then you are with a guy who's got a dribble the air out of the ball in order to find his rhythm and find his way. Like I like that we the the strength of Kemba was if other off and wasn't going well. It's nice to have another guy who could create but he was struggling so hard to create his own shot late in the season and the playoffs there. And I know he it's the efficiency you mentioned. That's what that's what brings me. There is he was laboring to get those shots off good shots off and even when he was getting them and getting to a spots. He wasn't hitting them as consistently it was it was hard to watch not to mention the defensive liability that he presents every single time. He's on the floor. So we were I mean we were theorizing like are they better winnings? We were talking about in the playoffs Jimmy whether or not I'm not a world in which he is not on the court late in the game and you're using Marcos at the point because kemba's just killing you and I know the numbers. Yeah, you see that and once it's in the next song Get you say why is Marcus Smart on the floor taking these shots everybody everything and which one is it about every month. We were beating up on Jaylen Brown for not being tempted to happen. Once we don't hate Marcus Smart. We hate when Marcus Smart takes shots. We we miss this chance, maybe. Oh I hate when Mark Martin times during the season. We do know it was getting to a point during the season. I hate Marcus Smart. No, we don't but but when Kemba Walker isn't on or wuss out on the floor guess who's taking my shares find yourself. Let me say it one more thing. Let me say one more thing. Mr. Mr. Shareholder before you sell your Chef if you're Danny Ainge and if you're the Boston Celtics, you got it at some point look around the league and say, okay what are players going to think of us are players going to want to play here if we're if players going to want to play here. Are they going to want sign? Yep? If we're trading Isaiah Thomas's were trading Kemba Walker. If Al Horford's leaving his career. He's leaving is this a place that players are going to want cold as hell as as it is to begin with this goes back like your life is very warm. And I'm going to want to resign here. I'm going to feel players off that onion the Celtics tried to mortgage their future probably at the detriment of of anything going on with the team to sign that that Dirtbag everything possible to sign him even though they knew who was a deleterious effect that he had bought a franchise but they tried and then Al Horford was like, yeah. Hey I'm leaving too. That's a brought in here. So the Celtics aren't doing guys dirty outside of Isaiah which Thirty out of thirty job. We're doing that, So okay it is what it is. You're going to trade Gordon next. I mean you're going to trade they've been left at the all I know but yep. I have never had a free I've never I've never been so happy about a superstar leaving and Kyrie Irving. So let's let me get into Kyrie again. Let's get everybody in the chat room. They're saying more mad. He left unhappy left know the creationist. I'm glad you think we're bad. He left somebody outside of Boston is looking at the Celtics like, oh my goodness. They didn't they weren't able to sign these guys. They tried they tried and failed but they are just another reason why a player wouldn't want to think about coming here. I mean even like that's a good point. Jimmy Page is Jimmy. I also want you guys to consider what the kind of team that would be left over after this, you know, plethora moves that you all want to see Drew holiday Marcus Smart Tatum Brown and Miles no shoes. Is that a championship team? I think that's a worst. I think his shot on that team. I think that's a worse team than what they have right now. Holidays better than Kemba there's no doubt about that. But you have a sudden that's all of a sudden. You've no doubt about that. Yeah. Ken was a bad Defender holidays the best defensive point guard in the league office. Thank you. I still yeah, okay. I'm not arguing that defense smart. If you also remove Hayward from that situation, but in your. Please listen to the steel beam the end of the day, let's not fool ourselves into believing that it's that big a package. Okay, fourteen twenty six and thirty. You know, what that's worth noting. Okay, not a time. That's not true completely. So do they do they want that? That's a big question. If one of those pics hits John on whoever they trade him to you're not going to be sitting there waiting waiting, you know, great trade I can guarantee you that for for one year of June holiday. I'm done waiting on pics to find a way to sweeten those pics because right now you know why you're hearing this today all your birth. All offseason is the Celtics have three picks to move up and every single day they're shopping on their shop and well guess what? None of these teams want them all of a sudden you need a Kemba Walker style player to sweeten that up a little bit because Fourteen twenty-six and thirty-two a team in the top ten is useless. I mean those pics aren't getting them anywhere. That's what I find confusing in. This thing is I don't understand the math that fourteen twenty six and thirty gets you to 6. Yeah. It doesn't I don't think it gets you to 12, you know, like well that was the original infrastructure this deal that Kevin talked about was giving those takes to get up to 6, which isn't happening. I mean frankly Atlanta. Could you have to get to 6 to have a pic that's attractive enough because New Orleans might be eyeing a particular player. I don't see how you get to 6 that way I think if they're lucky they get the eight nine or ten. And even that's a stretch the Celtics would be fortunate to be even involved in this conversation cuz all they seriously have off For here salary, maybe the value of come with another team likes them but Atlanta has the pack New Orleans has the player. What are the Celtics have here? I don't think it's going to happen. I just heard they mainly because it's it's a worth and the that's the reason I was willing to listen to this trade those pics to me are are close to worthless if you're the Celtics, so you're basically looking to get off three years of Kemba for one year of Giroux and see if you can re-sign him and that would be the deal whether I could think about is when they paved Hayward wops option and you flip them in a different deal and that would be the moon keep a pet. Indiana thing is still in play. If you'd be looking at it Indiana deal Indiana deal because I get the merits of trading Hayward. We've talked about this for three straight episodes now why he was down down? I say it's always decide down. That's they gave you the dentist, I guess upside down you are you know, you're upside Jimmy's really Jimmy's rotating. He died down now. Sorry guys. I feel like I'm I feel like I'm blood's rushing to my head. Listen to some things you guys saying acting like Drew holidays like God's greatest gift to basketball games. Like Kemba Walker's trash like basically chamber was trash. I think the same way about Miles Turner. I like you say miles Turner's trash. Yeah, like I tweeted out earlier today on my lunchbreak mad. Hi. I like it going. I mean don't sit here and tell me that your holidays light years better than Kemba Walker and obviously d r o hands down best defensive guard in the NBA guys. Oh this guy is I understand underrated player actually think he was like voted like underrated player in the NBA or something. I understand he's good on both ends of the floor. I am sure he I know he's in my favorite defendant Kemba, but let's not bad guys like a dog Perennial like six seven eight time all star like trade like the trades, you know, whatever you can get for them. And and like Kemba Walker is like hobbling around on crutches for the rest of his career. Like it's just not that like, oh we're so we're so conditioned to just say what have you done for me lately. I mean, I'm pretty sure Kemba Walker had some really really good games in a Celtics uniform in the first half or before really before the season was put on Halsey. Everything was fine. And dandy on the Kemba Walker front with you know, you know coexisting with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum. Everything was great. I mean no one was saying. Oh, let's get this guy out of town as soon as we can't I know but Jimmy my stance is different though. Both things can be true. Kemba Walker was a godsend. It's exactly what this team needed. I loved everything he did. I wouldn't say it was all my shares now. I'm looking ahead. I'm projecting it. I'm guessing it's guess work, but I'm I'm I'm concerned long term. It's going to get this was the best year that we were going to see and it didn't quite go as we wanted and Nick wage. To jump in so I cut you off. Sorry. No. No it was all right. I'm just I'm thinking back on it. Now what I said about Danny Ainge, you know, can you wanted it was thinking about moving can but he is great job. Everything's great. Kemba has you know, and he was just kind of down on it from what I've seen so I don't know. I mean there is some cream through and listen. I'm Thomas that whole situation like that was Anthony Davis's dad you could all thank for that or else we wouldn't still be talking about it. Right? So like, you know complaining and he doesn't want to go there because of that and then like what a fraud he wanted to go. He wanted to go they had that planned the entire time if you trade camber you include them in a trade nobody saying anything that's today's NBA and it's just says what it is. So I I see what you're saying. I mean, I don't know what the the upgrade is. I do think Drew holiday upgrades the dog. So it's expensive and also not ball stopping right? Because the camera does tend to have the ball in his hands a lot. The big thing for me is I know you guys didn't Bob brought all these stamps on the playoffs. I couldn't care less if we have zero points a game but in clutch crunch time when this team got rattled constantly and they weren't following the plays or bread. Steve was just wasn't calling place you expect a veteran playoff ready to be a playoff experience or not to calm them down and he was not able to do that. I mean it was non-existent for the most part. He wasn't the Cambodian his direct feedback on that comes down to the brown and Tatum types to be able to step up to that moment because nobody else is going to be able to maturity in the oh, yeah. I mean this team's Championship potential is going to be based on their ability to get there and this comes down to the fundamental question. We have to ask about this offseason. You want to just add a little bit to the bottom of the team and prove that bench stick with the team they have or pull this up because wage Were talking we want to blow this all up around and your move your changing pieces. This is a this this is your building around two players and you're going to continue to revolve around the pieces around these players fitting and not just for now but for down the road and ultimately again, we keep like I've been talking about it for weeks now into that 20 23 years when you're looking at re-signing Tatum to the the long-term mega-deal, you gotta make sure your position to make sure that he stays and he brings his buddies here. And this is the location of the Super team that they form at that time. So until then you're not looking to blow it up and win Now versus when later you've only got these offenses and you've got these salaries and you and you either stick with what you got risk Gordon walking and an aging are you start to move stuff around and see if you can make it better for yourself. You have to listen to these young you gotta consider a lot of this stuff holiday holiday makes you a bit more expensive a phone number. Here for the foreseeable future and he's not in all in guy either. Like I liked him. He'd be a good supplement to the team. But trading in a piece of gigantic is Kemba for him and then re-signing holiday to an extension. Like you'd have to isn't great to me. I'm not even I'm not captivated by this Hayward for Turner thing. Either that please I don't think you're going to have to re-sign Holliday who's going to be what Thirty One thirty-two into a what four year deal. So now you've got a guy that I mean you would have gotten to a point kambam. So I mean what's going to be John you say is an aging image. Okay, he's you just called. He's another guys out with injuries to John you said agent, so say aging holiday too because they're both the same age and now you want to re-sign Holliday. And by the way, if you want to talk about blowing it up, you're not going to blow it up unless you 15 minutes straight Tatum for brown really you're not familiar with camber the core of this team as much as those other guys right now for right now. Maybe it's only another year or two, but. Or in as those guys right now over eight works so much my last thing I'm all on board on. I think I want to know what people see in Myles Turner because I am finish your thought. I know one get any of that. I'm on board train it takes easier, but if you guys are talking about the future the future the future on one hand and then the next thing you're saying trade three pictures you holiday, who what's it going to be because of some point you need to hit somebody in this draft of build around your start. You can't just no more draft. What about the main curtain carsen Edwards and bring it back home? Yeah. So those pics are just useless. So you're going to have to try to link in a veteran to make something happy with that stuff if they're going to move up and if we get to the draft conversation, all right, let's do it. Let's just rip off. Let's rip off the Band-Aid here. Okay. I thought you Bobby wanted to hit on Myles Turner. Are we going back to it later? We'll come back to it. Let's get into the draft. Okay, we got four pics you here's the reality job. Right. Here's what's likely going to happen. No one's going to trade with the Celtics cuz these pics are worthless grad picture always worthless. Everyone can get mad at Danny now for not doing something drastic, even though chances are there's not going to be a deal worth making on the table because what you're offering is either one of your core pieces or this this pile of garbage that is pick fourteen $26 and thirty. So either stick Lee 26300 looking at drafting it Fourteen and trading twenty six and thirty forward into the future or draft-and-stash. I think the former is most likely to trade them for a pick somebody else is picked draft from now. That's that's your hope your trade your trade 26 to somebody from for their Pick 3 years now and you hope that you hit a little bit higher and a better draft. So I've I'm a strategy. Let me ask you if they stand Pat. If they stand patted fourteen, who do you like? So I think the guys who are definitely going to be there are Tyrese Maxey Kira Lewis. Green or chew and Jane Smith. None of these guys blow you away. So I think what you're going to have to do here in my idea is instead of trading up into the lottery condensed twenty six and thirty maybe with a piece of paper or whatever to get up to say seventeen or eighteen. So all of a sudden you can double-dip at Fourteen and Seventeen or eighteen to try to get two shots here out of this group. I like here Luis the most young minds me a Terry Rozier. He's a six three guard if we're talking about Kemba having injury concerns. You want to have a guy better than Brad Wanamaker Tremont Waters those kind of guys who have some birds who can score double figures who came back and defend that says to all that stuff. So he's going to be the best of the best of the guys that were certain are right there. I think what gets interesting is those guys that I sent you as move up potential John idem. Sal and Isaac okoro Killian Hayes, who could be the best player in this draft according to Kevin O'Connor they get right to that 11 12 13 spot. It's the same thing as last year. We found the Celtics are Fourteen and everybody you love including a guy Goodman loves like yeah. Saddiq Bey who is a three indeed guy from Villanova. They all go off the board before or Celtics come up at Fourteen and all of a sudden you just kind of left with scraps at that 14 question Bobby. If 14 doesn't get you into 6 into 6, 7 or 8, which I think is a pipedream kenh14 get you can fourteen twenty six and thirty get you to pick 11 in to get one of those guys and if that's the case, is it worth it? So, I mean this brings us back to Kemba New Orleans has 13,000 do all of a sudden they get up to 6, we get up to 13 and pick a guy right there that we love. I don't know if San Antonio in Sacramento are going to be willing to trade Partners Phoenix is at 10 a.m. They're trying to get Chris Paul. So I'm sure that's where that picks going to go. So New Orleans is the Hope like that's the one hope if there's a guy who's there at 13. Can you flip up to that spot? Is it even worth to do that? In this case? I think you just stay a 14 try to double-dip up to Seventeen and eighteen cuz like unless Devon vocel is sitting there 13 which Kevin O'Connor thinks is going to happen. Like I don't think there's anybody who pulls your way at thirteen either so I just don't see the move of potential here. Like Detroit's going to stay at 7, unless they can offer Blake maybe somehow bought a lan is going to be trying to get someone at 6 through holidays a potential. They're all the top three picks are trying to move back but they're not moving back to fourteen. So the Celtics are pretty stuck at 5:14 for the second year in a row. All right, but if the Celtics hat like last like with Tyler hero, I mean if there was somebody that they really really were high on. So theoretically it would be easier for them. Probably this year to move up than a month. Last year because of the number of people, who are you saying? They're just worthless fix their worthless, like twenty six and thirty might as well be second-rounders. Like you know, what are you going to get there? I think when it comes to trading up you try to like I think of the Luka doncic Trae young deal, which was what like three four five like the other team gets a pic in that same similar range where they can pick another guy they like and that same range or bumping back from six to fourteen all of a sudden you're in a whole different tier talking ten. I'm talking like 10 10 10 or less. Yeah. I mean the tricky thing there is you run in the teams that are also trying to trade off or get a guy in those spots. So like they're what here's what you could do. Do you throw in a Rob Williams? Do you throw in a Romeo Langford Bowen? So all of a sudden you start moving like a year later Romeo Langford? Yeah, and I mean, all right, they're giving up on Campbell, but I am convinced water try page. Jimmy if they throw some players to these other teams that those teams like and Robin Williams is that guy? I think he still has some value of high right now. There are teams out there dumb enough to think like a friend might have just been the tricky thing about Langford is he's hurt like that's what kills his values or anything about Fox. Oh, yes. That's what I was going to say. I held back off but Link Road, he's always been harassed and stalked to his his right now as I gotta we gotta pay some bills here. Okay, so we want to tell you about man escaped. All right, that's our sponsor. Everybody loves manscaped. So hang on while I tell you everything you need to know about them. It's our friends here. This is the garden reports brought you by manscape wage. They're here to remind you to take care of your biggest grooming and hygiene needs from head to toe the all-in-one manscape performance package is Knees and Toes delivers the best tools right? Yep. If you're me you needed head to toe delivers the best tools to shave your entire body including the Family Jewels. That's right. So that's a good question. 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Yeah, before we get off the draft the three guys, I'd love to see the manscape. I own one. That's why all right. I'm already a dedicated young age the three guys. I'm looking to trade up for in this draft if they get a chance if they start sliding oneco Congo who doesn't seem like he's going to side at this point the hype is caught on with him and he's as high as three and some of the authors Graphs a possible upgrade on Robert Williams who is already well into his development. Whereas we're still waiting on Rob Williams. You want to have a center for the future because Daniel theis is going to be gone soon with Devin vessel. I love is a three-and-d guy from Florida State. He shoots the three or 42% He defends like Marcus Smart and the tape I've seen like the intensity bulb. I for the ball the positioning all that stuff at 6. Seven rather than six three just you know, and then you know, third of mine that group is cuz professional players since fourteen a step-back jumper shot-creator crafty past month, he could run that second unit and he's a guy for the future for this team that you can legitimately say. He's the next guy. He's the guy we're looking forward to in the future. And if you're trading up that's what you trade up for. How long did you say professionals and see was fourteen? Yeah. He's from France his dad went to Penn State and went to France to play professionally and then, you know had a kid and the kid started playing professionally in Spanish in France. This draft has a ton of overseas guys, like less. There's less college guys than ever before next job in Philly is out there guys. You just gotta be lucky enough to grab them. You just going to be able to grab them in some fashion grab you can stash and the 30th heck you can do that. 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We will have comprehensive coverage and we'll jump on with guard report draft night specials on and off throughout any time at something interesting happens will pop up. We'll talk about it. So we'll be here all night. We do want to move on and talk about our man. Tommy heinsohn the legend. I know Nick Berg Mister superfan here is probably taking it harder than anybody. He's a Super Fan Man Bobby as well. And again, look, Tommy heinsohn his contributions to the Celtics game. Basketball to to to to all of us are immeasurable. He's the one link we have to all 17 titles we had and he's been around forever in any of us. And it's Jimmy and I had to had the Good Fortune to work with him and get to know him a little bit. So I'm just going to kind of go around the horn here and everybody can just talk about what it is that they you know, we'll miss most what their stories anything you want to say and on nickel start with you put me on the spot. I mean he Tommy's Mister Soldier great. I mean growing up we did we say we're going to watch the Celtics. We said we're going to watch Tommy and Mike so and we all knew he was sick. I think he's been kind of pulling out a pulling, you know back together and getting healthy again and over and over in this past year and man. I just know the last couple of years seeing them in the Press room, and he just looked uncomfortable, you know, so but when you think about Tommy the one off I think is in John. You're probably in the same boat as me as much as I think about Tommy and Mike. I also think about rent and Dick Stockton on the CBS broadcast, which would be hilarious because Tommy would try so hard not to be biased and he was over overly biased and instead. It's like off last link to read, you know, the old school players. It's it's it's a part of you feel that legendary Mystique when you walk in in in Boston Garden and and that's a piece that's gone with the old car now and the other thing is don't discount. He was there when Russell, you know, they banned they they went home because they couldn't eat in that restaurant when they were on tour so it a lot to do with supporting those aspects as well. And he's a Bostonian man. I mean if you think of Boston, and the union angle to like the first player was me the first Players Association. Yep. President. Yeah, they did the All-Star boycott. Like he's everywhere throughout history. Very brilliant, man. Oh, you don't see that side of him logged Winston Churchill, you know and he was a great painter just like with Churchill so Tommy's really missed. I mean as much as you prepare for it, I feel void, you know, I mean games are going to come up. Who is it going to be now? Who's going to be is it going to be scalp? Always got big shoes to fill literally. That's my Tommy tribute. We're r i p big man. I'm done, Yok Jimmy, you know him a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to pretend that me and Tommy we're tight. But I mean when you were I saw you guys out. Yeah, when I you know, first of all, I I grew up a Celtics fan like, you know you guys and you know, the one thing that Nick kind of touched on and is you know, even if you didn't never had a chance to meet telling me you knew Tommy because he was there on the couch watching the game with you and your family or friends. Here's some listen, I grew up as Celtics fan in like the like late 90s early 2000s. There was some dark dark times. It's a selfish and there and you know listening to Tommy and Mike and I'm a part of the broadcast and that way was was awesome made the games worth watching when typically sometimes they wouldn't be so I mean Tom, he's a legend. I mean the one word that jumps out to me is passion. I mean, nobody was more passionate wage the Celtics then Tommy heinsohn was whether he was a player-coach broadcaster. I mean, he lived and breathed Celtics basketball and then sure enough, you know flash forward to you know, my birth Big big job in sports media was at CSN New England Now NBC Boston and I used to work the desk. I were used to work nights and you know, there was a time, you know, we're talking a stopped traveling with the team and he would go into the studio watch the game. A lot of times. I'd be watching the game, you know could be right next to him and eventually got to the point where they started a page and Twitter account in Tommy's name and we kind of rotated watching the games with him and tweeting what he was saying while watching the games and trust me. We had to Thursday. We we had to you know, put our own words and some of those tweets because he couldn't exactly tweet everything he was saying but he's fired up all the time, you know, the last you know, I'll you know, I remember him as just a always, you know, passionate fired up Guy funny and it was just such a honor to like be able to hang out in the same vicinity as him, you know, and I I tell people was like he kind of felt like my my 7 p.m. Grandfather at times like just like it's legit. Just walking through the Halls. He was like, okay, that's yeah, that's Tommy. I just walking by there. So it was going I was obviously, you know, super sad to hear that he passed but she kind of got the idea that he wasn't doing too. Well when you didn't you didn't see much of him this season at all. So I mean I was in a better place now before you move on to to Bobby when we all were at the age where you can't we still were able to see games where you have a check would be there and JoJo would be there and Sach would be there to offer me. You know, you had that kind of Celtic Vibe. And now if you really think about it, it's Max who's left a million Bill Russell's out and down arrow. Sam Jones hasn't been back yet. I don't think he is not at home. Yeah. So who's left from the the legendary alumni Reds? Probably wrong. His grave, but it's Cedric Maxwell is the loan wedges left. Hey will take them. No problem by Tommy's like one of a kind is really nobody else. Like I'm not going to even like current date. I don't even know if you can even find a player to that magnitude a player-coach broadcaster that that that matches what Tommy meant to the cell, certainly. Austin. So to do all three something to do all those three things that's one team is unprecedented have nothing in between. No other destinations. I heard on a podcast just say that, you know, almost took a job with another team after again fired by the Celtics as the head coach, but he stuck around and that presents that Ron. Jevity. Those are the two things you hear about them that we're just unmatched and it's amazing that Max is even able to approach that, you know, being the player here being the broadcaster and then you know, it's still going for all these years. I think the fact that he was a baby. To reach the 2010s the way he did that six-decade like that's what really took him to the next level because from my generation, you know the generation that grew up knowing him as the broadcaster and the the second half of his broadcasting career, you know, we we don't buy into you know, these figures like whether it's networks, whether it's you know institutions, you know, we we kind of just do our own thing. It's bout games. That's Twitter. It's social media, but Tommy still found a way into that. I mean he was doing weird Celtics Twitter stuff with NBC at the end, you know people who watch the Celtics at my age. I knew him as well as anybody who watched him in the sixties like once it reach that 6:00 decade to a generation that's hard to Captivate to, you know, keep paying attention to one thing everybody who grew up watching the Celtics my age still knew Tommy and is frankly a set as sad as anybody that he died this week. So like it's amazing to me like the the way he would complain about the calls we brought in Iraq. Pick up James the way people would just get frustrated with things. Like there are so many things. He added to the basketball dial job in Boston. Yeah, and then very to his very last year the interim being shower thing like that. Is all anybody talked about all year. The time is Karen really lucky that he's he he got a he was of that generation where he had he was saying a lot of things I you know that goes to players to like both every Celtic player on this current roster best friends with Tommy. Not really but there was a guy Marcus Smart who was very slow down that says a lot of smart. Yeah, but smart, you know, you saw a smart sweet about him. He saw the interactions those two had like Smart Buys end of the Celtics War the office. I saw Tony Tony Allen on a podcast today and he was saying that he and a bunch of those guys on those teams would they would be fighting for the Charming points off? Same thing Paul Peirce said the same thing heard on Sir gimmick thing, you know, like whatever then we just capitalized on the Tommy point the Tommy award and they loved getting Tommy points cuz it was like Tommy thought I went above and beyond you know, and they loved that. So like we used to it was there that you you also heard other players talking about how it was appears talking about it was like a sixth man because you had a guy was yelling at the refs. So you didn't have you wouldn't get TWP. So it's like extra player on the court. Just letting the refs have it you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's right. Listen to Tommy, you know, and then then they didn't have to go in on those guys. But I like what Bobby said with his perspective that reaching that younger generation. It is amazing because like, I mean, I'm the oldest guy in this room and like Tommy heinsohn to me was a national broadcaster. That's the first time I'm joining the Celtics World post Tommy coaching wage. No career, none of us were around to see him really player-coach would be part of the organization. He was that guy and he still is this just indelible just he's got this Mark on the franchise. It's just so clear. You're just you're born into it. You know what you follow the Celtics and you know exactly who Tommy heinsohn is and what he means and that's not the same for every player and I typed and who played went back in the day Tommy heinsohn kind of transcended that generational thing where it didn't matter at what point you jumped on the Celtics train you knew exactly who Tommy was why he matter fact it wasn't one of those like and again we worked with him Jimmy when he walked in it wasn't like. Oh I roll here is that old guy? There was reference, you know and oh, yeah jokey fun thing, but it was like, here's Tom, and it wasn't just that guy who was still hanging on doing a job because nobody wanted to tell him like okay enough big guy. He was an asset. He was still performing at a high level in his a dog. The young reporters would sit around him and just wait for him to talk so they can bring in and get suggest some info off of him and they couldn't they would just hover around him, especially like sitting in the ridge back room there and watching the game a lot of the reporters are just be like so what do you think Tommy and they were getting a lot of info and stuff off of him. So people love being around him not just for the presents, but for the knowledge fall off of it, I mean it was you know, he's like I said, it was a Transcendent figure. Yeah that that was the thing I was going to say is you know, if you ever watched, you know CSN at halftime or post game and Tommy was on Thursday give him any notes. We didn't give him a script or anything. He eat his basketball knowledge never left him, you know up to the last show. He probably did it at the studio. Right John. I mean he you know, he was constant long sharp with you know, what was going on in the games. And anyway, as you should be I mean basketball is its life, but I mean, it was just like you said John I mean these guys were you know, we were all like picking his brain about things cuz he's just a legend and song That was above I was going to say I love that. He never took that this game sucks. These players don't have what we did. Like, he never took that approach. Now was this analysis kind of old school run the big men off before I push the pace. Yeah, like I guess yeah, you're right Nick, I guess like his his perception of the game Bobby fit the Modern Mold Raptors superfan year. I mean that door for so long and if you don't acknowledge Him Bobby, I think he's gonna have a heart attack and who I'm of course, we can't pronounce it but I you know, he's been he's been added Toronto for joining we miss you guys like crazy and I hope you guys got to keep the Raptors next. Yeah, you did have some old school thinking and a lot of times, you know, I mean Jesus, he's never I don't think the foreign was almost caused his retirement because he He just couldn't pronounce one friggin name Taco tennis. How about the way you pronounce Taco Taco J. KO jaad remember back in the day when I asked me would do play-by-play and couch on the road crews would do color. Yeah. It was like a shitshow. Oh my God don't know anyway, shame the accents. I was scared one thing somebody posed to me this week two or three times on different shows was Who represents the Celtics more who embodies the Celtics more than Tommy heinsohn in the franchise. Do you like like you got every reason I you guys just mentioned six seven games know you can save Bill Russell and I agree with Phil Russell. I don't sit around in 40. Tommy. I think Tommy we just talked about I mean Bobby, I mean you're part of the younger generation. I mean do people do people your age resonate more with Tommy heinsohn then you know the being being around the team and the broadcaster or they think about all the Championships Bill Russell went back in you know, the fifties and sixties. I mean, it's Tommy bill hasn't been around. You know, that's not diminishing what Bill Russell a red Outback I've done it just goes to show you that Tommy heinsohn is he's he's bridged the Gap. He's completely bridge the gap from when he started so so when he passed away, I mean he he is like when you think of the Boston Celtics, I mean, I think he's dead. Gotta be in every knowledgeable fans top three first people you think of and I would agree. I think Tommy is a huge reason why the garden is a really tough place to play with the fan. My my friend's friend Nick actually text me that he's like dude, Tommy. Tommy had me growing up thinking that every ref was out to get us and like I actually still think that think that still exists. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when when when the back of the TV box, it's rigged. They hear it. I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean literally though, I mean you grow up thinking like they're out to get us, you know, obviously not the referees you like. Here we go. I love him being this is would be this. My favorite hobby is something would happen instinctively. He would be like. Yep, and then you've got to see that he was totally wrong and all in a ball game, you know greatness never eat one. He never gave One he never be like, all right, I will call you got him. I lived away for a fact the word bogus. I got just doing the Celtics game. That was Mike the Scotsman monger and he was like Tommy and they say I screamed like Tommy everything was about Tommy, you know, so like you guys said, I mean, it's there's no question. I think he's missed herself and she has Red Auerbach but Red Auerbach to the younger generation is now might as well be Babe Ruth because imagine Tommy is like a living legend. Yep. Tommy's like your grandfather man. I mean, it's just so hard and I my heart Goes out to Mike Gorman forty years. I mean Tommy and Mike they were like bennifer right? They were the same thing, you know, so I just am watching and I will give my hat's off to NBC. They did a great job paying tribute to him yesterday and Gorman just broke me up man. I mean those guys hey relish it while you can Celtics fans won't Gorman is around because that's a that's a National Treasure. I hope he doesn't retire. Yeah. Well guys, we've spent an hour here and it's it's you know, we gave Tommy his do and I don't think we're done talking about Tommy heinsohn now or forever cuz like I said is you know that she's gonna be coming someday. They're talking about it already get a name like a wing of the Guard after him. I said some point so here's the hard part John right before you total. It's so ironic because Tommy and it just goes for 2020. Tommy's biggest connection. I can log Championships underrated player The Players Association coaching read everything else but Tommy's biggest takeaway is his relationship with the fans over 50 years 60 years and here we can't pay tribute to him at the Garden. So I'm hoping the energy for Tommy and the love is still there when everybody gets back in the garden in 2015 and we're all their you know, paying tribute and raising his number. I'll tell you what you say whenever whenever we are allowed back in it's going to be very loud a lot of fun and Tommy's wage going to get his his fairytale more than he's going to get his night for sure. He's got to get his night. Yep. Yeah. There's a lot of look forward to Another reality of it again again. Rondo is now the one they're talking about. Come on, that's going to do it right back. Home are going to give one last shout out to our fellow his exam. We came off couldn't concentrate on the read. It was great. 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Danny Ainge recaps Celtics season, Heat loss and Kemba Walker knee injury

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

08:36 min | 9 months ago

Danny Ainge recaps Celtics season, Heat loss and Kemba Walker knee injury

"Weird from games this morning as the Celtic embark on their offseason. I'm Sarah that will here with Bobby Manning a ton of interesting nuggets from age this morning. We're going to start with Kemba Walker because he said not any point in the bubbles Kemba Walker look like himself due to that lingering me issue. He said as of right now, no surgery is planned or scheduled for Kemba. They'll see how he looks and how he feels in the coming months. What did you make of his comments about Kemba? Yeah, it reflected the whole ten or the press conference he gave you a little bit but then give you everything and it was nice to hear some honesty and frankness about the team and it did start with him. But because he ruled out surgery for now. I think they'll do some tests. I think they'll look at him over the coming months and see what's needed because that wouldn't be the preferable solution. Any surgery would definitely stretch into the next season log. Depending on what kind of chart they have and we heard from Adam Silver on that. That's what makes this offseason. So difficult with injury decisions with Personnel moves is the fact that no one knows when free agency starts when the draft is when next season starts. So by any stretch of the imagination surgery for Kemba would stretch in the next season, so they're definitely going to try to avoid that choice at all line that surgery wasn't needed right from when the issue is ramped up in the second training camp, but it's concerning because it clearly plugged them throughout it clearly needed managers and this is a player that's going to be signed for three years at least in Boston. So does that become an issue for years to come? He's had multiple surgeries in his career and it's clearly affected them. I think we all saw that he wasn't himself during the bubble. And also said he's fully prepared for it to be a luxury tax team next year because they do have all these players that they're given some decent cash too. Especially when Gordon Hayward picks up his option which he's expected to do Jaylen Brown. They're going to probably extend Jayson Tatum Campbellsville, but he did say that they're not good enough the way they are. He said this season long way it ended were clearly not good enough cuz they fell short of the NBA Finals. Once again, do you think that that mixed with his comments on Campbell and that he wasn't himself is a slight in any way to Kemba or do you think it's completely injury-related endangering expects, to be the player that he always was in Charlotte know he gave some praise to come by to for the thought back and the way he played throughout the playoffs. It was a rough finish for Kim, but certainly was the Toronto series the last five games were bad bounce back a little bit in game seven, but he wasn't dead. Are they needed against Miami? And then that combined with the Hayward injury the Romeo Langford injury change mentioned as well. I don't think any of us thought that was a big deal, but he said they could have used him for debt purposes. He was all year. So you hate to do the injury thing, but the Celtics clearly weren't themselves Hayward. We know we came back weeks ahead of time can by not being right off made the best of it. There were some games. I thought where he pays them, but it was kind of an on-off type thing. And then you saw Brad Stevens trying to take them in the game out of the game. It was kind of the way the season went and met so many Celtic seasons have gone like this. We know this with players going down or players dealing with things but at least we have some clarity now on what Campbell he's going through and what he's going to have to face going forward. Offered any changes full press conference. You can find on our YouTube channel and website at C L & S media, and we break down more video to say right here on our YouTube channel at Celtics all access as well. Tammy spoke with the media on Thursday morning following the conclusion of the Boston Celtics 2019-20 season, I'm Sarah Goodwill here with Bobby Manning did a video on his comments about Kemba Walker so you can check that out on our website at 2, but he also had plenty to say about a plethora of other topics one including the trade deadline. He said no regrets but looking back now knowing that they had all these months off with covid-19 sensually a second training camp before the restart of the Season. He might have done things a little bit differently. What do you think he was alluding to there? There's a couple of things they were in on for sure. I think the diverse pertains one is interesting because the Wizards had some interest in moving him the Celtics clearly wanted him and I feel like the asking price back then compared to when end up happening with the Memphis pick and some of the other pics at the Celtics had that didn't turn out being the grade changed might look at that and say all right, we came close those pics aren't that great. We don't know what we're going to do with them now and that's probably a move we could have and maybe should have made back then they definitely need one more piece ain't felt. Okay about the depth on the team and I think he's right that if that's fully healthy team. They would have had the appropriate depth to make the NBA Finals. The thing is though you always have to expect to injuries. You always have to have depth built in for that and it was so fitting that at the end of the year. They didn't really know where to go at the center position. So they just threw their five best players out there to end that game six and Gordon Hayward was a healthy enough to push through in that moment. So it was the Saint press conference you age That he's honest you love Betty what you in a little bit but then he just leaves you out of it. Like you said this things we want to do things we still want to do but he wasn't allowed to what those things specifically were definitely walk. You want a little bit but plenty to think about now turning the page to this short off-season. He said there's things they still want to do. What do you look those things include in your opinion? They have to be a big man, right? Yeah, and he mentioned the big man and he went through each one of them. He liked what Robert Williams gave them this year fellow. He probably could have improved a little more if he wasn't as her thoughts are you like tennis his contributions? And of course Cantor has a player option and Daniel theis he said was great at times. So I think he left a little bit to be desired there at the big man position off as he said to it's always hard to get a franchise big man a guy that you can rely on their the Celtics have been searching for one essentially since Kevin Garnett. Laugh Kendrick Perkins left. They got those khong Years with Al Horford, but even he was in your typical Center. So that's definitely going to be something they keep an eye on this summer. Now, there's options out there. Tristan Thompson is a free agent a couple of other guys, but they don't have that kind of money to spend. So you look to their resources some of these younger guys some of their pics I think they'll be active and trying to shake those things up. The question is whether they'll look at moving a top piece on the team like we talked yesterday with Hayward or you know, Marcus Smart, I would imagine no I think they like the core of this team. It's just do you have the value with those ancillary pieces that we don't love and of course other teams aren't kind of either. Yeah, he he did mention Romeo Langford and said, he showed great Improvement. You think that was aimed kind of talking Romeo up for office 13 because he potentially could include him in a trade or do you think he's hopeful about his future in Boston or anybody's on the table? So I think you're always going to suck. Pump up a guy like that a little bit if he's going to be a trade ship. Romeo's not going to have any value this summer Unfortunately. They know that the league knows that he's going to miss time in the next season. So I viewed them as him kind of pumping up his recovery effort because he's gone through so many injuries. I feel like three or four different injuries this year. So, you know, that's probably taking a mental toll especially on a guy who had a rework his job. It's not markelle fultz situation there, but they know that there's a mental side to this recovery when you have to go through three or four in a season and now expect to miss in the next season that's going to be tough on home. I felt that's what more that was more for mange and you're right. He that's a guy who's not going to be a trade ship either this summer. So that hurts them to in that respect. I'm essentially ads, Is adjusting to the NBA in the speed of it. He can never really he was never able to get into a flow whatsoever was, so it's half. Yeah, Maggie injury or Thursday next, but for all of our breakdown of Danny and just press conference including the press conference itself in full check it out on our website at CNS, and on our YouTube channel at Celtics All Access

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Kemba Walker OUT to start 2021 season, Hornets introduce Hayward

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

31:29 min | 6 months ago

Kemba Walker OUT to start 2021 season, Hornets introduce Hayward

"The news on Kemba Walker not good if you're a Celtics fan or if you're Kemba Walker or anybody who cares about the Celtics John's anise alongside Bobby Manning here on the garden report presented by manscaped 20% off shipping with the code garden and manscaped.com now Bobby again, we got the email today from the Celtics sent out to the media. Kemba Walker's the status of his knee. He's going to be off 12 weeks from the point of having an injection a stem cell injection into his knee and and everything we've read and I've talked to I've talked to a couple of doctors in orthopaedists about this situation. This is obviously not a great sign for Kevin not only for this year, but potentially for his career and and and a Celtic future going forward. Yeah, and it's off guard all year. We're going on a year talking about this thing now he missed the first game with this knee soreness in late January last year at February twenty started missing games and then after four months off, it's still dead. June so this hasn't gone away at all. And I remember when we first started talking about this over the summer when we first started doing the show John we were concerned for the long-term. And now I think this week essential steals the fact that the rest of Kemba Walker Celtics career is going to be defined by rest management time off and simply trying to get the best of a lot of them at this point. It feels like Thursdays of being able to play more than let's say, I don't know sixty to sixty four games an 82-game year over like he's going to need to be heavily manage. You're just going to have to get the best of him come playoff time in the spirits that you have them because that knee after three surgeries with this onset of arthritis as it seems as coming on I'll let you handle the medical portion doctors and us off. This isn't good. This isn't good at all and it comes right back to what we were talking about over the offseason when the rumors were spraying that they were trying to get rid of them. Yeah, so they're stuck with them though. Yeah, and again, this is dead. Not to go all WebMD on anybody but everybody's immediately. Oceans Nina, what is it treated? So prevailing wisdom here. Again. This is from Talking different doctors and talked to we talked to dr. Jess Flynn Boston Sports Journal who really is. I mean this is this is her trade, you know, and she she deals with people who have conditions like this all the time. This is what she does and she has hinted and Bobby Ross. It last week, you know, you mentioned in an article that appeared in Boston Sports Journal. He's got a Annie most likely Arthur arthritic condition in his knee and anybody who knows that knows that it the condition like that doesn't really get better requires management. And this is where you thought you were with Kemba Walker the problem with the procedure like this is really is a bit of a Hail Mary. Nobody name is I mean, it's still unclear whether or not this actually can help regenerate the knee area and the cartilage that's been worn out and it's created this arthritic condition, but it might change. Able to alleviate some discomfort and you know with with training and strength conditioning and a bunch of different things and management and make sure they you know, he's he's not playing too many minutes. I'm back to back nights whatever it is, whatever program they come up with you might be able to extend it a little bit further. The the fear is it doesn't really take or it doesn't do enough to make em, so he can consistently stay active and even if he is that he might not be anywhere near the best version of himself. So I think there's a bit of a sunny outlook here when people since January and like oh, okay. He misses a month. No big deal. I don't think that's the case. I think people have to prepare for multiple scenarios in January starts to do some basketball activities. And then it works his way back in and is close to some version of himself coming back. That's very possible another possible scenario that people have to consider here as it doesn't really take January extends into February extends into March. They don't really know what the issue. Is. He still dealing with a lot of discomfort. There's a start and a stop. You don't really know here. You're really are in uncharted waters. And so this could be not just a situation probably the repairs management. It could be a situation that requires a complete shutdown rest and then I don't know what try something new try some other sort of procedure and see if that possibly helps but as we've seen in Boston athletes have had degenerative knee conditions Dustin Pedroia now, Julian Edelman with the Patriots. It's it hasn't worked for them. It's whatever she thought everybody is different everybody responds different but I think people have to prepare themselves for a world in which the Kemba Walker we knew even from several months ago when he began his Celtics career may not exist anymore in any form. At full speed for sure and like we're not going to get an eighty-two Game season 4 72 game this year camber going at that full speed. So you're going to have to manage expectations at this point. Hehehe. That's the thing. That's yeah case scenario worse case is they're done with this treatment and the and the and the pain is still there and he can't start he can't start again. You know, it's like I said is it is hit or miss it's not. Oh you do this round of injections and you come out clean. You're almost better. This would be a much better scenario for Celtics fans. If you had just torn an ACL like wage is better cuz you you recovery you fix it. It's fixed you recover you train yourself back up and then your then your normal again this stuff this stuff can be fixed and take care of what what he probably has here does not get better. So there's a world in which it doesn't get better even with the treatment. That's the scary part is it's not just a management the game. Even is a reality and that's best case scenario worse case is and and Danny I thought the most telling thing you said in his media availability today again, we heard from Danny Ainge Brad Stevens Jayson Tatum Daniel Tiger in Hayward as well. But that's a separate issue talking to the media out in Charlotte's NBA media week. So we heard from Danny the thing that scared the hell out of me was talking about is this going to be a long-term concern going forward and dad is probably among the he Paints the rosiest picture of every Celtics injury as long as he has been at the helm and his quote of this year's going to talk a lot about that told me a lot about what they think here is we don't know we gotta see how he comes out of this thing and if he does and we're able to manage it great, but if he doesn't I don't know what the future of that's what I read into that and they said in June this isn't a long-term concern and here we are again. I know they keep kind of kicking that can down the road. So it's tough to imagine what the Altima Outcomes going to be here. There's a ton of uncertainty. There's a wide range of outcomes here. I think if you boil it down to the mean they're probably going to get some stretches of Grey play from him and then there's going to be stretches where they have to pull it back. He's reeling with it. If we look at the bubble that Philadelphia series. I thought he was outstanding pulling up on his jumpers. Heading is threes getting to the rim a little bit even and then that Toronto series starts strong and slow. Yeah that game six where you scored like five points and 51 minutes and then you get into the East finals and he's a shell of himself as as Ainge mentioned there. So how long can you reasonably push? Um, even after that. Where the injection Works he gets back to himself maybe for a few weeks. You have to give a more time off after that like this. This is such a tough rotation of management and trying to push that next level and we got to think about him to the thing that sticks out to me about Kemba from this is he never wanted a Slowdown he came in the camp for the Bubble Song. He wanted to go he didn't like the limitations he was pushing and get back in games and we have an interview coming up with Grant Williams today. Grant didn't get it too much into the situation was Campbell when they were living together Charlotte for those four months after which can be came back and was hurt in training camp, but was Cambodia working out full speed during that time there. That's still my biggest question. We went back to the all-star game and game right? He goes out there and plays big minutes and that so it's on the Celtics the man begins to buy into it too. But Bobby it's not one acute thing. Okay. This is you know, degenerative or life-threatening conditions. They're going to wear over time. So you're right. You can push it to the point that you force yourself to shut it down with overwork But ultimately regardless of how hard he pushed and Ange took it on himself a little break saying maybe we brought him back to you as soon in the bubble. I was surprised to hear he brought some Furious way on that one. That's one thing but I don't believe that I believe that was to allay concern a little bit off. Hey, maybe we played a role in this and now that we're not going to do that. It'll be okay. I don't believe that was a mayor culpa per se I believe he was just saying that the kind of chill people out a little like who thought maybe we press him too hard this time. We won't do that again and just to give you know, kempe the benefit of the doubt here that hey all if we do everything right we'll be okay. That's that's how I read that particular, But again, it's that this is where it's been concerning along the way you had, you know, the situation during the season and then three and four months off during the the the the wage the pandemic crisis shut the NBA down and when he came back and he wasn't ready that's what scared the hell out of me there, which was like, wow, he's just gone for months without basketball that you can't possibly manager maintain a situation better than rest when it comes down to this. And the first time you tried to do anything. He was like, yeah, he so that was dead. Of the first major major flag after all that time off and then as we saw through the playoffs, you know his deteriorating play and even in the series, he was successful. I thought he just was never quite off his most scoring but it wasn't efficient. He wasn't himself right? It wasn't as dynamic as you expected from him, especially when he was the best player in the Celtics by far in November 3rd at what they have. Now, that's the thing is right. This is the concern is you're so thin Bobby one of the other updates was Romeo Langford out until until I remember about five months. I mean, he's coming back in March so granted he's not a point guard here, but you've lost Gordon Hayward who absolutely could have taken over some ball-handling responsibilities here. I'm going to thrust Marcus Martin to Thursday starting lineup and behind that you're looking at handing handing it over to Teague and then to Pritchard and I can't expect much out of the rookies with no real preseason. No way Jose. Get Summer League no ramp up no time to really get integrated with the team. I think that's asking a lot. So I think now you're looking at what Teague and Tremont Waters maybe to start car said we should get a shot to yeah some spot up shooting their burst of the rim. I thought he finished the bubble pretty strong which was encouraging so I I want to get another look at him to it's not the end of the world that they're going to have that some younger guys and get some contributions from other people to start this year. In fact, you can imagine a world under Brad Stevens for that actually goes better than expected right? It's just about getting Kemba to that point where he's ready for the playoffs you always just you know, this comparison John that drunk at the end of his career. Could you just send him out all season and then have him right from the playoffs? That's what that's what you took from chem. But now they'll figure this out in the regular season. I'm not the biggest Jeff Teague fan in the world, but throw them in this system have them healthy this year. He probably has a pretty decent wage. And again we go back to saying this is going to be about Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown and what they can do is the head piece and it's everything has to fill in around them. Yeah it is and it's always dead. Again, y'all better knowing still check the box and Superstars you find it says is a problem meeting back to Kyrie. Okay, where you had too many superstars impossible to placate everybody but you still felt good that while you're going to run most things through the wings that you have a third legit Star level player here. They're starting the season without him and then we don't know what he's going to be coming back that true big hits of minus Hayward and minus Kyrie a minus Kyrie - Kemba to start this season, who knows if and when care returns anywhere close to full form, you're asking a low Tatum and brown in terms of shot creation, you know offense flowing through them at all times. It's going to be a bit and if you're a defense, you know exactly what you have to do here and we've seen Tatum at times struggle when teams are blitzing him and and doubling his birth. And and and really going at him a little bit. It could be it's going to be an adjustment for everybody here. We do want to see it a more brown but not this way more smart to and then we thought about then the East finals next year. He could reasonably be going back to the bench and being like a fifth or sixth option on this team. Now, he's the third and you heard Stevenson age actually talking about him as a course core piece to this franchise, right? I mean I had never heard before in points per game this year just cuz it's got to come from somewhere. So anybody who didn't want to see Marcus Smart, Jack me for the playoff start you start getting used to it. So there's a lot to digest a lot to discuss and nothing's going to solve itself and the next little bit here, but certainly a very gloomy gloomy outlook on the status of Kemba Walker. It doesn't mean it's all over but it certainly was a big hit to the Celtics who just lost Gordon Hayward to free agency and now they're going to be without another strong Tristan Thompson comes in the camp here at nage. It's like what's going on? Hey, that was the other one. Tristan taught. That was the other Medical Update Tristan Thompson with a hamstring injury working out. So again, you've got another issue. And again, we're looking at a starting lineup that I think is probably going to be dead tatem Brown smart types and possibly grants to start the year Grant Naismith like you're digging down there for and you're digging up your guys. Then you're looking at Teague Naismith and then hopefully get a healthy Tristan Thompson coming off the bench and that's your rotation right now. Yeah, I think you might say t I will get into another time but depending on the matchup you might see T start you might see Grant start against bigger teams. This gets back to that thing. All of a sudden another started gets hurt then you're screwed cuz there's just no depth here at all. That's that's the problem. Oh good. There wasn't a lot of depth before and now you're going to play a game a non bubble NBA season where who knows what comes into play here at a team. That's really lacking depth to begin with so it's going to be interesting traineeship getting underway. Media availability media week. We'll hear from more players throughout the week. We'll keep doing these Garden reports. We're going to do a Wednesday live version because that's what we do and we'll have the whole gam getting along with Joe Sway pavor and Jimmy Toscano. Just want to tell you guys one more time our sponsor for this segment for the garden report is manscaped go to manscaped.com and enter the code Garden 20 to get 20% off and free shipping. Once again, 20% off free shipping with the code Garden 20 at netscape.com for Bobby Manning. I'm John Sanctuary. All right, the NBA season is officially underway. So to speak I'll be Manning right? We're we're we're doing this, right? Yeah, let's do it Hayward if we've been fighting about it all week. Let's do it on the it's true. It's a look. I just catching everybody up at home. It's dead Celtics really opening up training camp. It's December 1st. So the season starting in a few weeks. It's a really fast moving training camp. We got to hear from Danny Ainge Brad steege. Jim Tatum and of course with a change the number one question on everybody's mind is what happened with the Gordon Hayward situation. We've been battling about this on the air on text message if there wasn't a pen. We're doing it in person and probably getting drunker as the night was screaming at each other over what went down here. And again, look there's some finger-pointing here because a lot of people want to know whether or not Danny Ainge botched this so to speak. Yeah. No. Okay. What we do know and from Danny Ainge a lot of the comments and will read into some of the stuff here. Is that is that phone number plan a and this is something I think we agreed on Bobby one of the few things we agreed on plan a and what was probably best for the Celtics even if they overpaid was to bring Gordon Hayward back to Boston and it seems very clear from listening to Danny Ainge that he tried to do that that was option one and Gordon did not want to return Yeah, which makes sense because we said the reason he didn't want to come back on that player option is wouldn't give them the flexibility to choose his future destination. And he said as much Thursday so issue they ran into with a sign-and-trade they had three to four teams on the table. They could possibly sign a trade him to he had accept it. So what confuses me still among all these different stories you have the Pacers saying that's all thanks for asking for too much you have aged saying it wasn't enough today. And then you have Hayward saying you just want to move on to Charlotte get into a bigger role all that kind of stuff. There's a lot of different competing interests and storylines hear. What confuses me though is if the Celtics wanted to keep Hayward that first point we both agreed on why are they doing all the shopping wage? Are they shopping them for Jrue Holiday as we heard? Why is he being sign-and-trade shopped in all these different places instead of a real negotiation about keeping him here. That's my question for a pig. So I think what's clear and again, it's really hard. So you're going to have to speculate and read into things. It sounds to me like though the Celtics wanted Hayward back. I think it became increasingly clear to Danny listening to me talk today and even a Hayward when he spoke Even Stevens when he spoke about him earlier. It just got they just the vibe was there that I was not that and so the question really comes down to whether or not knowing that they could and should have swung something to Indiana or Charlotte was there the whole time there was tampering he was talking to them. He knew it was there. It's still not clear. And again, it's just wild speculation to say how it went down. That's something we're not going to know I think again, There's going to be a group of fans at wonders. And what makes sense to me is If Charlotte came out of nowhere came in late and Danny wasn't expecting it that he probably had to find a way to make that Indiana trade work in some capacity. But because he always wanted going back. He's thinking well if there's nobody out there maybe he'll just have to re-sign and that's that if it was always an option if Charlotte was there the whole time there's really nothing that could have been done here. And that's the question is it's really hard to say whether it's what we're not going to know is if Gordon if Indiana was done in some capacity and then presented to Gordon would he have taken whatever they were offering their 1010 2 to 1:08 to 1:10 over Charlotte not clear or did he just say Charlotte when it was obvious? Danny's not getting this thing done with Indiana. He's going to fuss around with them forever. And that's going to end up with me come back here and I don't want that. So I'm going to Charlotte which I think is also possible but it's really hard to say. It seems likely Charlotte was always in they had no other prospects of getting any other major free agents they're dead. My so I think that's something that's always on the table and said they were always there today Indiana though. That's what still gives me the ability to give Boston the benefit of the doubt because Hayward was holding out on that situation clearly, but the extension exactly you had negotiations on going there. Charlotte was certainly always going to be interested in him and he could have made that decision on the first day of free agency instead. We're sitting there on a Saturday or Sunday whichever day it was and we just get the news out of nowhere. So someone dropped negotiations here in this Indiana situation seems very likely Hayward always wanted to go there but couldn't get there because those deals didn't go through. It seemed likely that the Celtics wanted to do that Indiana certainly. Did Pritchard admitted that that they they wanted Hayward bad so someone dropped this and I think it was the Celtics. I think the return wasn't create enough. That's what I keep coming back to and that's the thing is again off. We're going to spend the rest of our time debating whether or not whether or not Tristan Thomas in a trade exception that they are may not use as better than what I read this quote from him today. They said on the radio this morning. It had to be a trade. We wanted not a trade just to let Hayward go where he wanted to go had to be good for the Celtics for our business for a luxury tax for our personnel and the cost of contracts to me that says they didn't want Miles Turner. They didn't want to go into the tax to pay Myles Turner. They didn't feel getting Turner alone for Hayward with enough and I agreed. It's a look and if that's the rationale again, then then you can debate as come home good basketball decision bad basketball decision. That's not clear. I think where people get stuck in this conversation in the the date is if Danny could have been more aggressive to get the thing done before that window opened and you allow to Charlotte to walk through the door and that's where I'm going to keep coming back that two-day window that two-day window says a lot it clearly says that and again this is why we keep coming back to it if Charlotte was there all along and no matter what because they were offer the most amount of money they were going to win then there is no sense in doing the extension. The extension only makes sense to give them more time to make that trade. It doesn't there's nothing else that's plausible. It's again in everything being said today is you know, oh, I'd set Gordon Hayward spoke today and he said, oh I told my agent to get it done I think off. They knew that was on an option, but they wanted Indiana to work everybody wanted to work and when it was clear. It wasn't he didn't want to come to Boston. So he said get that thing done. And so again, you don't know it could have been everyone's going to point at Danny and say, oh he played Hardball maybe the Pacers played too much Hardball and they wouldn't move at all. They made their first offer and nothing else to say, you can't say who's fault that that broke down but what's clear is they had two days to not dick around with each other and get get the deal done. If Indiana really wanted it in Boston really wanted that thing had to be done before in that extension window. And as soon as they got to Thursday and it was open Open Season all bets were off and that's what happened. So Thursday would be decided by that player exception that they have now that they'll carry into this year that they can possibly use next offseason that's going to very likely dictate whether this Hayward proceeding was a success or failure. Yep. It's hard to read that right now to only times going to tell on that but I still look at getting Tristan Thompson over Miles Turner as a win and if you read the Washburn specifics of the trade there but there's just going off Turner and some first-round picks or Turner and TJ Warren or Turner know with Depot. I still like the idea of Tristan Thompson and a possible future addition to this team in that exception over any of the packages there frankly, you know, what in the Indiana comes out of the same that we offered enough because they wanted to get rid of all this stuff all the Depots and expiring contract to hurt player Myles Turner is a player that's fallen behind sabonis and the rotations they were willing to do anything they could to get rid of a lot of these players, but they were expensive they're uncertain products and I'm not necessarily sure. It was worth the Celtics to go into the luxury tax and get a smaller middle of one all that stuff rather than just we don't think that on the side. This is the other thing. We don't know. We don't know if Danny actually kind of liked the turn Rd log. What was just trying to Goose it for more and now in the back end is saying we didn't really like what was out there. Otherwise, we would have made a trade. You don't know that that's the thing and and that's what we will never know. This is this issue everybody every GM. Does this every fantasy football GM. Does this do you have kids you want to sweeten them a little bit you'll hold out. Hope you'll hold on to your guy. You think the deal is going to get better you turn around the guy you want to get traded to someone else and you're like I should have taken it. I'm good with that. I do that. Well, they call me the trade Master that's normal though. You wait around and you think you can make it a little a little better thinking that you're the only one they're dealing with and then all of a sudden you're like. Oh, no did that just happen. So again, it's going to be hard to know but this is these are the Perils of being an NBA GM really high-stakes game of poker with these guys. You don't know exactly how it's going to play out. You have to be prepared to gamble again make another analogy you walk in to buy a car. You're negotiating you gotta be off. The table and walk away even if you really want the car. I mean that's and again this is what you do you play this game of chicken here and it's possible both Danny and Indiana played it and that's that now I want to switch to Hayward am learning to him talking it the only thing clear from listening to Gordon and Danny today is Danny New Garden didn't want to be here in Gordon didn't want to be here. And again, it's hard to say whether it was the city whatever it was but it seems like the role was the big thing having a pawn attack to the fit and I think above all else being a fourth wheel and not being able to be a star when he has been a star at every stage of his career and his life and to come here and to play second second or third fiddle to Kyrie the injury bad luck. And then when he's finally healthy, he's like, oh by the way, here's three Superstars that we have ahead of you in the pecking order and that's a tough one for him again. Did it. He was deferential he played In his role in for a couple of months this see-saw what this could have worked what this could have looked like with all of these guys working together, but it didn't we didn't get to see it for a long you got hurt again got hurt in the playoffs. The team fell short of its goal and now he's going to go be Big Man on Campus and Charlotte here and try to rekindle that Gordon Hayward All-Star flame that he had going on in Utah, but he does or doesn I'm not sure but but certainly he's going to get more opportunity to but both sides seemed satisfied with the breakup maybe know exactly how it went down hayward's probably wishing. He was in Indiana off Boston's probably wishing they had more to show for him in the end. But I think they're both glad to get a fresh start here. It never worked out as we said a couple of episodes ago. He was the remnants of that Kyrie core that quickly fell apart left the team and now they're onto a new Corps. They're onto a new plan there on to a new trajectory here and then seem to fit mm. I wish they made it work if they came to an agreement. But ultimately we wanted to see him take less money play a smaller role and have it be better for the Celtics but none of those things were going to be better for Hayward and he said table His press conference. He still feels like he's in the prime of his career. He'll be the guy in Charlotte with the ball in his hands taking all the shots maybe laying them in the playoffs. It's going to be a plenty of tournament this year. So Ten teams have a chance to make the playoffs and the East so he'll be right in the middle of everything there and all the power to him. I like them with in Boston. I thought he gave them a lot last year and nobody's going to blame him for the injuries wage. They're in a tough spot the way you left with what's left over and what they need right now. But what are you going to do? They just have to make the best of it on both ends. Yeah, so we'll get into a lot more of that month. What now summarize. I think the cleared hayward's press conference on Tuesday, Danny Ainge Brad Stevens Celtics new coordinate be here. Gordon didn't want to be here Indiana was the number one option for both sides. It would appear they could not make that work in the time allotted Charlotte was the best thing left. He took off he gets more money get into Thirty either like they just as much as you want them back. They just couldn't I still think and and I'll go down. I'll go down my tell my boss breath that Gordon Hayward is not worth Thirty million dollars at this stage in his career on this team, but it was a better mood for the Celtics to pay him that if money alone would have done it. I get the feeling again from listening to Hayward listening to everybody. It wasn't the money. He was done with Boston. He wanted Celtics to make the make it work in Indiana change it or somewhere else. It didn't Charlotte was the next best thing. He took it. That's it. I I don't I think people kill and Danny from not squeezing out a couple more bucks. I don't think that's what happened. I think it was just too long. For years, I think it was over. I that's the thing is the only thing I'm not going to fault Danny. The only thing you're going to say about the situation with Danny is was there more he could have done and should have just taken good enough instead of holding out for great or did he truly just hate it? I don't know. That's the thing. We don't know I think making it work was the best case scenario for all parties, but there's Hayward clearly was all set with Boston and that's that. I don't think money what we get back to hear whether you want to Thompson whether you want to Turner, they're taking a step back this year and would have been worth mortgaging the future flexibility to get more out of this year more and next year because they're clearly going to be a team again, probably more so than last year that's half ready to win a championship to have available at thirty million Bobby for an expiring that's the whole thing is like you depending on how he does he get hurt again. Does he smoke limiting? I get all could go so fast, but the thing is that he is the same. Died at twenty-five is he is 30. He's tradable at twenty-five is tradable at 30 or he's productive at 25 Roots productive at thirty and point at that point. The extra few million doesn't matter if you were willing to go for in whatever I suggest think the overpay was the best best strategy Fair Point. It just didn't it just I don't think it mattered. It wasn't this wasn't one of those where if Danny just got to this number. So again, we could go on forever. I just want to tell people off one more time. We're live on Wednesday night 8 p.m. It's going to get hot and it's going to get I think we've calmed down a little but but it could get could get heated with Jimmy Jimmy Toscano Joshua Vaughn to tell you again our sponsor manscaped go to manscaped.com enter the code Garden 20 get 20% off and free shipping. Once again 20% off free shipping with the code Garden 20 and manscaped.com Bobby Manning. I'm John zanis. This has been the garden report. We will see you all later.

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Payton Pritchard's rank among NBA rookies, Kemba's outlook

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Payton Pritchard's rank among NBA rookies, Kemba's outlook

"This is the winning Place podcast on the clns media Network the leading online provider for the NBA's winningest franchise. Welcome back to the winning Place podcast with Brian Rob Levine. It is Friday afternoon. Celtics beat the Raptors last night. They host the Pistons tonight. Today. We're talking kemba's me show me shooting creatures rank in the rookie class here. At first we got some big news. So what was what was the official title MassLive you were now the NBA Celtics and empty a reporter. I think it takes beat writer or so that's better reporter. So we'll we'll go fast. But yeah, I'll be I'll be doing some NBA there too as it has a pops up. But yeah, it's be definitely a super job opportunity get started there next week. Obviously plenty of great writers have been there before so plenty of people to follow up with but dead. Jumping right into during trade season will be a fun Endeavor. And yeah, super, you know very much enjoyed my time at bsj very tough too long to leave them behind really love working with all the folks over there and Greg Sean and Conor but yeah excited about a new chapter cool man. Congratulations fair price went back to see I may say your day-to-day doesn't change very much. You're still covering the Celtics you're still doing that but it's always nice to maybe get a get a fresh start somewhere. Yeah. I mean I'll be ran middle of the season is unique to do it, but that's true. But yeah, I'll be again they'll be plenty of Plenty things to cover and then the new spot. All right. Well, I talked about a fresh start and Thursday we're going to do the exact opposite of a fresh start we might talk about Kemba Walker. Yeah, so we're doing this on Friday against Toronto on Thursday. 290 had a pretty solid game right hit 5 threes 21 points five turnovers not great. But again, this is like the fourth the fourth or fifth game where he's right around 30 minutes so you can see him maybe settling in to like the the upload that you'd expect for him for the rest of the season still for this season. So far worse field goal percentage of his career worst, 3-point percentage in a long time lowest points per game since his rookie year second. Offensive rating of his career second highest defense of Reagan's career has not been a fresh start for Kemba Walker in his return from injury and we're not going to expect him to come out gangbusters, right? But where are you staying home? Think about the long-term, you know after we've seen in the short-term. Yeah, so it was interesting to hear such a change. She talked about this on his in his weekly interview with touching each on Thursday. And I thought he made a pretty interesting comparison that that carries way here in terms of talking about you know, yeah, we're not panicked which is dead. Obviously, he's not going to say they're panic because that's why would you so touch her? We're scared shiftless gamer. Scary. This is terrible. Like the the future with Caitlin Brown is in Jeopardy now, like we're we're freaking out. You know, now he's company line. You have the players back because of course you do but he made the comparison to to Mike on me last year in Utah and saying yeah, like, you know, sometimes guys go through Long Function. He was never right last year, but he's great this year. So it's like yeah Kemba even if he strived for another I got a question was like to see if he struggles for you know, how long will it take for you to get panicked? And Danny was like, well honestly like longer than this year. And so I thought that was on one end I get that because you're like Conley in the jet. I mean, he was kind of a similar mode of of Kimbo of a early 30s point guard who or what time? Is early 30s that you know wasn't in a new system wasn't you know fitting in as probably as well as you would have hoped on either in the floor over there at the same time though. I guess I'll throw it to you first. Is that like, how do you what do you think about that comparison in general with we're well, okay. I mean first of all, I mean, he's been okay this year. I mean she she's been better than it was last year, but I wouldn't say has been Mike Connelly. It's a tough comparison first box. I think Connally can defend a lot better than than Kemba right? It's like he's his his value is a little bit easier penetration is hitting a especially now with Tatum and in jail, and the way they are I mean, I don't know that doesn't excite me to hear to hear him compare you can but maybe becoming my kindly I mean the other comparison I thought it was maybe Isaiah Thomas like how fast can can can become Isaiah Thomas if he doesn't turn things around if his knee continue song Bother him the way that you know, I tease hit balls and we took him down but like I don't know I think again the good thing is that I don't think obviously you would love to have the Kemba Walker that you sign a a year-and-half ago or whenever it was right in a perfect world. Yeah you want that guy who was in Charlotte, even if it wasn't going to have the usage, but either way you don't need him quite as much anymore because of what Jalen and and and Tatum had become an agree with that. Right? So like so maybe maybe if Kevin can just be as good as Mike Conley again. Yeah, maybe that's a little bit of a win. But in terms of like Southeast getting the value that they expected of signing camber that doesn't do it for me, you know, it's it's it's a little concerning. yeah, I mean there's no honestly like if you can be Mike Conley the good version my colleague consistently that's a huge win for this others given as you said the the Alternatives here or the boss the the worst case scenarios, which is you know, not you're paying thirty two million dollars to a guy who's maybe a mid-level player at this point in his career If he if he continues or are worse than that to be honest if he continues like this, so I do think from a like from a mentality an attitude standpoint for Kemba Walker the the Celtics this is obviously a probably a big part of why they invest him in the first place. He's a great guy. He's adaptable he works his butt off and he's going to you know, he cares about his teammates just as much as the team. So it just meant here for him in terms of maybe realizing what he can do as a player now as in this next chapter of his career and maybe he you know, not just becoming a third option but like the shots that were there for him when he was at in his prime in terms of going and getting to the rim and creating separation. Those are just not there anymore. Maybe they'll come back in another month or two, but I think he's just like twenty plus two point shots in a row or maybe made one of 20 or something like that over the last three or four games. Is that right? I think there's something I'll look at the concrete read it out the stat but dead. Number like that is like whoa, like what you know, you play they play but the same time they've played tough defense is here, too. So, how much are you overreacting to a just a simple sponge a guy that really is trying to figure out how to work his knee once he's come back from this injection. Yeah, and I would say like, I guess to it slightly his credit like they have been tough shot but like mostly because they see him sort of desperate like he's almost so many of these shots. It seems like he's just throwing himself towards the rim expect to get a foul and arrests and maybe Defenders just bought understanding is just a little bit easier to deal with camber right now cuz they're not falling for it. They're not following him and doesn't matter how hard can but throws himself on the on the ground afterwards like not getting the calls that seems to be a lot of it. I think she's not getting easy hoops at The Rim not that that's ever really the the game, but I think it really if you can just start consistently hitting a three-pointer. I think the rest will sort of take care of it. So yeah, I mean that's where you start. He's already taking probably like 50% of his shots or from three-point range anyway and have been for a couple years now and so he's at 33% for the year, you know that has to be better and I say again and we saw some of this on Thursday night where it's like, okay, but like we need to maybe think about how you were getting those shots and the pick-and-roll pull-up threes. Maybe we pull back on that a little bit and instead you become the catch-and-shoot guy with you know, when everyone collapses on Tatum and brown you're there for, you know, the clean look as opposed to having to dribble into a shot that gets contested from behind Faith. You know, that's just not a that's just not a good shot for you right now and maybe it will be in another month or two when you are getting your Rhythm back and you know, you feel better about what you can do if the Dead Now in this during the season, but for now, I mean from the the subjects of the team just don't have the margin for error right now where they can let chemical fifteen or Twenty shots night. If you're only going to hit Thirty 35% of those. Yeah, I think I said last year that maybe at some point kemba's ideal role is the Williamsburg next to Paul George and Qui, and I don't know I still think that maybe that's it. You know, you get you get your part of that may be coming off the bench. It's a different conversation may be I hope you're like that's going to happen this year. Like it's just they're going to cuz are you going to bench him? I mean, I think you worked rotation to where like they even do this. Last name is Jaylen Brown was coming off the bench. I guess the Pistons or was on the bench for last 3 minutes of the second quarter so they could stagger everyone like him and jaelon Tatum and Kemp obliging Or two of those guys were pretty much on the court all the time. So maybe you Sagar, but I think you can't from a respect standpoint for for like ten posts psyche. I don't think you can you can bring them off mention even if he yeah, and it's like this off again in terms of a psyche. I don't think it's one of those things where he just shows up with the the garden one day and and he's not not not up on the Jumbotron I think would have to be something you talked to him about you have to be okay with it. Maybe if am I putting a rush you're on camera not that it matters. But like if he's a team player that you know, he seems to be like I think if they made a compelling case maybe he would do it but who knows I agree maybe that that will be the very last resort and and in so many ways it gets it's hard to really judge last night because not going to be any games with me and Payton Pritchard combined for 12 3-pointers made unfortunate M16 attempts. That is unbelievable. That cures a lot of what was you? Yeah, that will exactly take a lot of pressure off the Kemba Walker's of the world and or honestly, if anyone you know of anyone on the team when you get that kind of of secondary production, but I mean when you look back, I guess the the the more the tougher balance right now if you're if you're Brad Stevens I feel like is Kambiz, defeat the defensive issues. I think are just more glaring than ever now too, which is there just every team that they're just attacking him. It seems every almost every time down the court right off the game of wears find find camber get the mismatch and go to work right? So when you look at those, you know, the the push-and-pull here, this is again, he had a similar situation with Gordon Hayward a couple of years ago. I was became a simpler Solution on that team cuz there was so much more Talent on that team to put in the that was deserving of starting over Hayward at that point. So when that was made it was like yeah, like that's it worked. But now I mean for for looking for crunch time and things like that in games where he doesn't have his have a lot going on offensively particularly, like what is the push and pull their of being like listen we need like defensively like you are an issue right now against a live opponent and so So if you're not bringing the the offensive upside that you would normally do like but we want you to get that back like where what's the balance for you there in terms of you know working in back in versus you know costing this team games defensively. Yeah, I don't think you can do that right respect is respect can but can be learned a lot of it. But like like you said if if he is not performing at all star-level offensively his defense makes it hard to justify him being out there regardless of who he is regardless of what his contract is this of, you know, how you watch maybe tiptoe around his ego and he doesn't have a huge ego. I'm not criticizing him on that level but like it's just hard, you know, and unless like you said, maybe we're not there yet. Maybe he deserves a little bit more time. He thought of a little more time to maybe find his feet offensively. Maybe I don't know if it's confidence in that. I don't know what it is, but maybe we're not there yet, but pretty soon Bret Stephens going to have some hard decisions to make Hopefully he won't but unless things changed. That's what he's up against right, especially when you look at you know, you have Jaylen Brown dealing with tendonitis at this point that you know Faith leaned on him and take him for really big minutes. They both of those guys. You couldn't you couldn't have asked really them to play much better in a best-case scenario so far this season and so I would imagine one or both of those guys are going to have a drop off at some point. And then your your margin of error goes down even more at that point. So it will be I mean that is again positive sign. I think a lot of it will be kambo kind of finding this shots that are easier for him within the offense like you don't have to you know, go went on three into the pain and I you know, you're not getting the respect from officials that you used to so maybe you adjust your shot selection from that standpoint, but again positive signs on Thursday night, you know, hope they're managing. Receive the back-to-backs. It will be obviously a pretty big story line for both this team this year and obviously for the long term in terms of you know, how much how quickly took out of it. If if at all sure yeah one more time probably a made a second Team all defense in the NBA. So it just like I understand like the the comparison a little bit from Danny but very different players who contribute in very different ways and I didn't hitting that shot is just you know, we're seeing it and calmly shot like 40% for the field and 37% from 3 last year. So it's like that was a quote-unquote down near. Yeah right hand but mine has the fastest and easiest way to better in all your Sports Action football might be over but MBA college basketball and the NHL are in full swing but unlike cover towards T shows and reality. I like how they separated TV shows in reality t v right reality T is not a TV show real-time updated odds and props on almost anything you can imagine bath. And has you covered for all the news scoresandodds? It's the best way to place your bets and it's free to sign up hence the website or use your mobile device to sign up today or 50% Welcome bonus on your first deposit down on your online Sportsbook experts. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on the action. Don't forget to use that promo code. It is c l n s 52 receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first approved it but online once again your online Sportsbook experts and one thing I mean, I think can appreciate a little bit that Peyton Pritchard is back in the next Bureau cuz I think game last night just every single time. This kid takes the floor doesn't matter. If it's first came back after what we all thought was maybe a a season-ending injury. He's back. He's helping the Celtics and let's quickly we were going to do a very quick podcast today. We're we're in between back-to-backs. We're just going to look at p p compared to some of the other rookies in the class just talked about his his what he means to this team right now. So you're any opening thoughts? Again, 6 or 8. I mean she showed me was was the real surprise last night when he had six 3-pointers in a game for Pritchard just seemed like more more of the same of what he's been doing. Yeah, I mean do you do you want to guess we're Pritchard ranks in the NBA in 3-point shooting right now rich percentage-wise or just rank. I mean, is he top 10? He's ninth. Wow, we're not talking. We're not talking Ricky's this is this is this is this is NBA among qualifiers. So that is yeah forty 6.9% from 3 after Thursday night's game. And so yeah, I mean that that's where you start right here like you and and ironically that's he's not the top rookie three point shooter. Can you guess who that is? I was I was looking earlier age as Halliburton Diya. I know so Halliburton is right below Richard 45% So he's eleventh in the NBA. Oh Desmond Bane Desmond Payne one-time Celtic doesn't 48. My mom used to like what's take a quick detour on that this I mean this this looks bad like just straight up like when you look at what this team could need Like Langford was out for the year Campbell was going to be out enough out for the first half kambo was going to be out and you made the bed being like Carson Edwards or Jake questions get go down a lot better since we yeah, it's like he has I agree. He's not he's not he's not but just when he's not shooting forty 8% from 3 on like four times per game as a six-foot-five guy off and that's all been does like he but he's averaging ten ten points a game for the Grizzlies. That's a guy that when you literally you trade him for a second-round picks because you had a log Jam like that doesn't look like a great BET right now. Now know and again, it's it's relatively early but you think about just what the Celtics need just the depth and the wings and and the shooting and and that's and again and and I and I I remember I wasn't one of them but I remember on on on Twitter, you know, when when when Bane was picked but under the assumption, he was already going to be traded. A lot of people were upset. They thought that he was a guy and so it's not like a total shock. It's not like one of those guys that came out of nowhere and oh you should have taken that guy know this is to do that was on people's radar who is doing what people imagine he might be able to do and the ambient just happens to be something that the Celtics need home. But yeah, that's tough. But let's let's go you don't feel as bad about it when you see what Pritchards doing, right? And what's funny is that being at Van another another four-year guy? Yeah, but for four years at TCU, so like he was he was very much in that mold shot forty six forty two and forty 4% from 3 is last three years at TCU. So again, not a surprise but God. In terms of what what printer is going to do moving forward like shit like a keep waiting for him to come back down to Earth but it's as long as he stays healthy. This is who he is, right? And so he you know, he had the two weeks off with the the sprained MCL and it's a game or two for him to kind of, you know, shake the cobwebs out or you know, but I think I'm now a week back into it. He's back and he's you you have this is a perfect example like the Raptors game on Thursday. It's like, okay, what do you need to do against a trial team is collapses on stars and play zone you need guys that can hit threes from like the corner or wherever and that's this is anticipating picture and not only juice doing this Rich. He's doing it while like holding his own defensively mean it's not a good Defender by did you see that one that one possession that forsberg tweeted a earliest. Yeah. That was that was like a dog I was like the clips taste to show about Draymond Green when he'd guard every player in one in one set. It was he just eat his nose where the be he even against siakam, right? So and and once one part of that wage that that play and everyone if you go through forsberg is Twitter, you can see it. He had siakam out on top beyond the three-point line and just just held his own and again, it was some great help too. But no matter where he is or who he's up against he knows exactly what to do. So let's look at the the reading class right now and figure out where where he ranks in here and let terms of like on the armv8 seems like he's he's definitely on it right now is having a first-team but the question is is like how like so I think we have some pretty safe choices for the first team in lamelo ball. Yeah, Tyrese Haliburton. Yep. I think honestly is probably the Rookie of the Year. Yeah, I think that's a pretty strong Roi right now Canada. Yeah, I mean level is going to be going to have the The Narrative I think is the most sexy Ur pic it'll be and and he's he could deserve it too but halliburton's awesome. Anyway, so keep going right you're right above them are I mean if any of those teams make the playoffs that came over here. Yeah good point. So yeah, and then beyond that like I mean Wiseman will obviously be honest to me gets back healthy. I think that's a safe zone no assessment just in terms of the kind numbers he can put up when he he is out there and he'll get that playing time and I think I think you know Edwards so he's at he's at Fourteen Points a game right now. If you can just give in the near the top overall pick and so he's you know, he's point forward behind lamelo and and points per game right now. I think if he if he stays in the top two dead. He probably gets it as well. But like, you know and and quickly is obviously playing really well for the NEX. And if you again if you can lead them to the playoffs he probably in the conversation, but I think it's going to be very hard to keep Richard off the second team. I mean, he's been what the V best player in the Celtics so far the 6th for the season when he's been healthy, is that so the so the Jay is dead. You might even in fifth might even like you could maybe make a case for that to be even higher. I mean I think liked ice is a pretty strong case to be in that top five just in terms of his shooting and everything else down to like Marcus Marcus even that like if you had to pick one, I mean like I mean smarts defense obviously is Head and Shoulders above Pritchard which may make up the offensive difference. But like the shooting splits. I mean don't like smart smart choice a pretty down here offensively with this shooting. I mean, this has been solid but you know preacher has been the far superior offensive player too smart the deer this year. No, I think that's fair. He's certainly been he's he's been one of the more like calming presence has of on the team. I said as a as a late first-round pick, I'm trying to see who is the boss asked. This could be very obvious that missing but you know who like to the last Celtic was to make a a rookie team and I'll rookie team member to see with Tatum. Oh, yeah. I mean that's gotta be I didn't know if it was off and then I'm sure gel emails again, right? Yeah, like I feel any Jalen probably didn't make it cuz he didn't play a ton his rookie year since remember he was like stuck behind Avery for a lot of the year and am also in Del City also wasn't ready. Right, right. Yeah, they're young. So what year was that? That would be That eliminates the jelly made second-team. Okay. Well you talking about the different courses that that NBA careers can take especially when you get to the second team. So the 2016/2017 second email Ricky Jamal Murray Brandon Ingram Jaylen Brown Marquese, Chriss and Yogi Ferrell home, but then but then the two guys that two guys that made the first team had a jail and and Mary Ann Ingram are sarich and Willy hernangomez. Yeah Malcolm Brogdon, everybody heals where the other ones these are. These are kind of interesting looking at these old rookie teams. Just Marcus made second-team over Ki ya know. He he played at unravel the gate in Kelly Olynyk wage. While they were playing the youngest back then yeah. Wow. So anyways, so we got we got a couple of minutes here. And if so, we have the the Pistons game in town tonight. And then the the the schedule after after getting through that that West Coast trip and we talked about it before it started that is going to be a murderer's row and I think all things considered the the Celtics came out. Okay. All right. Yeah, I remember you bring up. Can they get through this like 5 and 5 I would like this ten game stretch, which was the West Coast trip and then you know a few tough games before that and I wanted to dance I did and it was it was the second the second game against Philly is when it started they lost the lost the Philly Spurs Lakers sons and jazz beat the Clippers Warriors Bulls Cleve. I mean definitely, you know, the the the losses, you know that not very many impressive wins, but they got it done. They went five and five right? I can't go back and what I said I said that it would that if they went 5 and 5 there would be a win so they did it. So that's what went so bored Pistons Wizards two games against the Hawks Pelicans Mavericks dead. Another Hawks game opportune that now this next stretch now we're looking at like seven and three. Yeah, like this is where you have to start. If you want to have home court in the playoffs. You have to start making a right now like you can't walk and you can't go up and down and you have to take advantage of being home. And but now it's also the challenge of you know, Tatum and brown probably come back to earth a little bit smart still out Rob Williams now out that I'm worried about that by the way. Yeah. I mean this is this is how it seems to start with him and then you find out that it's a you know, he's had a really tough luck with these kind of injuries all year long and we're all his career. I should say. Yeah reoccurring hip injury for an athletic young big man is not good news know so but I honestly think that this might help Brad Stevens find the best best version of his team right now with the, you know, not having to play the double big out of necessity again in a lot of these games call log. You're where you're where your depth is. Yeah, but I have a hard time believing playing Tristan Thompson is what's best for this team right now. It's serious. I mean, can we can I trade him he yeah, he's going to be traded as of this week. So so keep an eye out and kick em that for a seller's episode. Sorry next week. So all right. Well, I'll do it for us for this week's edition will be back next week here on the Pod to home see what Kemba Walker and with the rest of this team. 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OG Anunoby beats Celtics at buzzer, are Raptors back after winning Game 3?

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

13:47 min | 10 months ago

OG Anunoby beats Celtics at buzzer, are Raptors back after winning Game 3?

"Boston Celtics lose games three in heartbreaking fashion with Point 5 seconds on the clock the Raptors hit a walk-off three to Win It 104.1 03. I'm Sarah Goodwill back with the whole game tonight. Joe sway Pavone Jimmy Toscano and Bobby Manning, you know after Kemba Walker made that know look past and Daniel theis for dunk. It was celebration Celtics rough 300 undefeated in the playoffs. They've got the series under wraps and then in one instant really the entire series changes. When did the Raptors make that three? How did they blow this game down the stretch Bobby? I'll tell you how these guys on the bottom here got too overconfident in the first half their texting. This is over Jimmy's ready to get the parade going. He's looking at the bed online. I like going crazy. But you know, ultimately this was a blown coverage on the Boston side on that final play God. Trying to switch on the back line. Looks like they had his own set up obviously tacos out there trying to block the inbound. But Kyle Lowry and it was fitting he did at made the perfect pass to the corner over were Taco on the line hit him on the chest that you just don't see passes like that on inbounds nevermind across the court and it's fitting that a guy who had 31 points in this one was willing his way of the page from the opening minutes having a Paul Peirce s performance is Jimmy compared to Philly in the post-game. Like he just saved the Toronto Raptors in this one and I thought other guys like Marcus saw red band played another game in this one found themselves and that's dangerous up here the salad like you open up a whole box the Champions got on their game again in this one and that's what kills you about that last play if they just escaped a series will be over. Yeah, I mean you saw the first reaction from Jaylen Brown that defensive Labs. It just seemed like just bad timing on his part. You just I don't know if it's all on him though. Maybe it's not but it seems like if he's talking to his thoughts that he's probably feeling the most guilty about what happened and I just think it's unfortunate because the southeast no bake desserts. The one that game. I think you can give credit to throttle and saying that they stole one from Boston because boss a neck-and-neck down the stretch, but when push came to shove a couple of walking that fourth quarter or whether it was coming down to the defense of stock at the End Toronto hung in there as well and they were able to counter so you gotta give them props has you know for be staying for the fight, but man that's just a really tough go swap and Damon Brown as the Celtics actually would have made history if they want. They would have been the very first self-esteem that they you know, they're very first six playoff games in the world. So I'm going to cut you off your Jimmy cuz I'm going to play a clip of what Jaylen Brown had to say after the game about that final play. You know regardless of what we was in no, we had to go to the three-point line. So that was just a fucking disgrace at the end of the game. I was just terrible, you know, I know where we should have lost that game, you know, I'll take responsibility for that and not just a play but know a lot of the plays before Jimmy do you think Brown is really blame here? Obviously really hard on himself dropping three F bombs in his postgame presser, but it should it all fall on Browns shoulders. No, definitely not Fallen Brown shows. I think he's sort of you know, showing his leadership quality. Right? I mean, we know that this guy's got those qualities that based on what we've seen from him and we know that he cares a lot and he's obviously going to talk about the play because he was the one right there with the hand up and that doesn't necessarily mean that it was like his guy the entire time, you know, when you look at the replay, it looks like oh gee started with Tatum Channing Tatum sort of gave the Old Point like a somebody pick him up and I don't think anyone saw that cuz he kind of slipped behind everybody was focused on the inbounds play and it's unfortunate. I mean it it's a completely I mean James Brown's write them after that up and you know, it's a botched game cuz they should be up 3-0 and the Raptor stole that one. I think I think Joseph that's the word to use the Raptor stolen. I would agree with that. It was a classic Kemba Walker Kyle Lowry battle, which I thought was a blast to watch, you know, two great point guards initially going toe-to-toe and a little bit on the older side. So it was that was kind of a nicer thing to see to it wasn't like a couple of years. You know, these guys have some miles on their on their legs. So that was cool. And I thought the Celtics put themselves in position to win that game like Siri, you said, you know, everyone was celebrating after that. Kemba Walker passed at I said, it should end it that way, you know with Point 5 seconds on the clock your job is to just disrupt the inbounds get a finger on just get a finger on the ball at any point in that game is over, you know, and it's just crazy that you know, the Raptors got that clean look and that's that's the story and yeah, this series is I wouldn't say it's dramatically shifted but it gives a team that could have been down in I'm pretty much dead gives them that that glimmer of hope it gives them a lot of I'm not a glimmer but gives them a lot of that they can you know, even the series of them. So let's throw it back home because the Raptors could easily be up to one right now and they step out of bounds on the last play. They were within a possession for a final play that game too. I mean, they could have had the same exact play go if they birth Hi mode and you guys ended up being right? We saw the Raptors be better in a set position rather than a fast break on the final place. So there's some credit to you guys. Definitely a different feel now in this series Raptors heading into game four with a little momentum with the ability to tie things up Celtics. Probably going to play. We're going to preview the rest of this series in another video that you can find on our website at C L & S media, along with the rest of our Celtics postseason coverage on our YouTube channel. It's all access. The garden report is brought to you by manscaped get 20% off and free shipping with the code Maxwell 20 at manscaped.com. Take your grooming game to the next level, Boston Celtics were half a second away from being up 3-0 over the Toronto Raptors in the Eastern Conference semifinals instead the Raptors with a chance to tie the series up off on Saturday. I'm ciaran will here with Joseph Vaughan. Jimmie. Just gotta know and Bobby Manning the heartbreaking 3-point walk off buzzer beater in game three against the cell. Ethics have has changed this series outlook for sure when you compare the Raptors Newfound momentum here with the Celtics going to play pissed off essentially wage, which is going to outweigh each other which team is going to come in to gain for with a little bit more versed. Well this the series is on track to go 7 again like many of us thought it might before this not just cuz of the job in this open from two one two, three hours of credit, but Toronto found itself in so many ways in this game Fred vanfleet twice in this one hits back-to-back threes. I got teller terrified and I'm terrified watching the Celtics. I always think things take a bad turn weathers injuries of series of the has here and when Kemba screwed up early running off the ball with smart down the Ibaka and I think we got that open like early in this one. I said, all right, he's got it Lowry third-quarter gets at 3 to go after him Gasol Antioch. I'm sorry 2004 11:00 Casal finds his game in this one and all of a sudden I think every month. On that team except for siakam has found themselves. The coach has got his groove back and we have a series again. So this team's back. There's going to be a dangerous series the rest of the way no more blow-outs wage. Okay, I agree with that Bobby no more blow-outs, but I think all more plus I think you're overlooking the Tanana. It's always happen. I'm not even talking about Kemba Walker. Like I just think the way Tatum and Jaylen Brown to respond and this one's going to be humongous land think you could just be enough to cut up with something to grab a 3-1 lead in the series. Jaylen Brown jumpshot It's just look silky smooth, especially throughout this game. It just looks like he's dead in a focus in a comfort level that maybe he was a little too comfortable right at the end of that game when he had a defensive Labs or that, you know lapse in judgment, but overall, he's going to bounce back and Jason hate him, but he had thirteen fifty points, you know, he's going to turn that one around they still haven't really found an answer for him. It was just one of those games with Kemba Walker was in a Groove and looked like the Walkers show and Kata may have stepped aside a bit and I don't think you're going to see that wage. Sort of you know reluctance from from Tatum in this next game. It's still it's it's funny as the sellers have been underdogs in the first three games. So I guess I don't see that changing in game four, but I would be surprised if they came out flat especially after listening to Jaylen Brown after game three. Yeah, he was frustrated but he also sounded just like determined to make sure something like that doesn't happen. Right and I don't see the Celtics team like imploding after a loss like that. They seem to be a pretty tight-knit group. They're going to talk about it in the bubble tonight and they're going to get back out there tomorrow and clear their heads and do whatever they got to do them. But I still like their chances. I think that you know, what I agree with a lot of what Joseph said that the kids sort of speak are going to come to play in game 4, but I loved what I saw to Kemba Walker. I mean that's a guy who has really taken on his role and I think it's harder for you know, a superstar like a point point guards are in most cases, you know, very flashy Superstar qualities, but Kemba Walker's been able to sort wage. Step aside and let the kids do their thing at certain points. But in game three you kind of found that Swagger early on and it was kind of reversed. So that was cool to see and I think now that he's got a little bit of his grew these if Kemba Walker Channing Tatum can all play good at the same time Bobby. I hate to tell you what there might be a blowout left in this series cuz we haven't seen that really on a consistent basis from those three guys. There's only there's only one basketball, but all she is I think this house you're going to come out strong and game for I was happy with the benches production and game 3-2 so credit to them. I think the Celtics just let the game three Slipped Away they let the they let their Volvo take that game from them and I don't see that happening going forward if you're Brad Stevens, I mean, this was their first loss of the postseason. It was buy one and shocking fashion. Do you change anything or do you stick with how you've been role-playing and just have confidence in your guys at this was potentially a fluke and they're going to outlast this team for the stretch of the series on the first question. Don't second job. The zone They played fine against his own early in this game. Then all of a sudden you start pointing cantering. They're trying to shake up the rotations then love that thank you for the way from some of the good things Robert Williamson in the office one paying them other start hesitating over passing. Maybe they got a good book on a heavy past as I think it's it's own but they can just play their game against that zone make a few extra passes to move. It won't need to and then you find the isolations there. I still think Toronto has some upside in their game Jim as it says on your name tag there. I get a respond to that Toronto May I hit foul trouble and you think they got a lot in them if they do sure but out of this one the Celtics me to tighten up those last-second possessions. I felt like four, they're six final possessions than the one where trigger and that's not going to bode well and close games. They did that game too as well and they got fortunate they're making executions been trashed from the south Excel agree with you on that. Yeah, I mean I thought you had the floor Jimmy the answer that one I just had I just had to put it was from watching more the same. I thought came to her bra a little bit of energy. I thought it was the dosage perfect found if you want to go past that if you're in you know file trouble with Robert Williams, I do agree with Bobby. I would like to see a little more Robert Williams, but it's nice to have someone like cancer in there in the mix a guy who took energy. You can rebound and put up a couple of points as well. But I'm not worried when in terms of what Brad Stevens to do it. I just think he's going to continue with his game plan and sort of countering off of what Nick nurse another thing that Nick nurses that we're going to do an issue with that zone, especially in the second half and we're going to see how he responds a bit and see if if if Kemba Walker is not feeling it was that other guys little step off and get them through that that's stretching third-quarter cuz that's the Toronto Raptors really try to step things up a notch when they come out about half time thing the second half Okay, I'm Brett know just going to say real quick. If I'm Bret Stephens. I mean really I'm not I'm not panicking certainly not panicking after a loss. I mean you expect to lose once in a while to a really good team like the founders. What I'd like to do is get them to get them to control our a little bit more than they did in game three. I think you know, he's kind of like the head of that snake right? I mean, I'm not impressed by. I'm I'm not impressed by Van Fleet that much I don't think the Raptors are as deep as I originally thought but Lottery is kind of like the heart and soul that team and when he gets going I feel like a lot of guys feed off him. So if you can take him out of his game early life, you might be able to chip away and sort of dig in and and you know take that take that came from you are so high on the Raptors Jimmy. I can't believe how you fall. I was I was before this started I was too now, but I think they're frauds. I think they're done. I think I think that they've you know, it's been a long Like something something some six years Anything could happen. I'm not something since 6 I changed my prediction from 772 something. I was always Celtics and 6 from the start off with it Celtics and 6 till after the scheme three crazy. And as for all of our Celtics playoff coverage, you can find it on our website at C L & S media. 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Tue. Mar. 12 - Lifetime Ban

The Starters

25:33 min | 2 years ago

Tue. Mar. 12 - Lifetime Ban

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Zanny dot com slash NBA. On today's show. We discuss Westbrook's verbal altercation with jazz fans and Serge Baucus snapping on marquees Chris up down on Lou Williams winning six men Kyrie irvings apology and birds and we debate whether Kemba Walker should stay with the Hornets or bouncing free agency, Tuesday, March flow. Slurs. Good evening swirled. And welcome to the starters. Presented by Jack Daniels old number seven and Tennessee. Honey, DIGI skeets alongside me as always TASS Malysz. We got the OSCE Leila's over yonder as the beautiful metric Kirby. Uh-huh. Trae what's up here? Looking for your best tweets at hashtag starters. And guys last night. The Brooklyn that's got a big win against the Detroit Pistons, and perhaps the biggest winner on the nets was their benchers who were going crazy all night, especially after Spencer Dinwiddie three sent them into a rush heads lights, synchronized dance. He could tell me haven't necessarily practice. This ton to keep it together nonetheless agreement bench celebration at breezes to today's question, what is the best NBA Fench celebration? There've been so many for me, I always love it. When a guy celebrates the wrong team like shames, the be seeing Gerald greens alleyoop way back when to celebrate only to realize. All right. I played for the rockets, not the nets. But that's best role reaction. You see, Gerald green gap? Like that you want to get up to want to hear from you. So let us know on Twitter. What is the best NBA event celebration? Attic. Does affect deserters formulator? All right. Get those tweets on tonight show. We're gonna talk about Lou Williams. We're going to talk about career having we're gonna talk about Kemba Walker. But I last night. Russell Westbrook was caught on tape threatening jazz fans who rushed said directed a racial, Adam. Well, today, the Utah Jazz hit that fan with a lifetime ban. The team statement released just a few hours ago. Reads, quote, the Utah Jazz and Larry H Miller group announced today a permanent band of the fan who engaged in the inappropriate interaction with. Okay. Sees Russell Westbrook. Last night. The organization conducted an investigation through video review, and I witnessed accounts the ban is based on excessive and derogatory. Verbal abuse directed at a player during the game that violated the NBA code of conduct. We also just learned that Westbrook has been fine by the twenty five thousand dollars for profanity and his threatening language lot to unpack here. Distinct the league in the jazz and everybody sort of got this, right? How they're handling the jazz acted swiftly firmly and correctly, in my opinion. You gotta go after him. You can't just let a person say whatever the heck they want because they've got a ticket in their pocket. You have to act decently. I kind of wish something happened last night where he was kicked out immediately. So the fans. Around him. And Russell Westbrook didn't have to hear that. But if I will west doesn't stand up and do that this fan probably gets away with this van probably can enter that arena. And can probably say more racist, probably homophobic, xenophobic. I'm assuming he said more than just what that one line that we heard to get that. Bannon was cool. Actually, I just saw this report as well that Tony Jones of the athletic. So that the jazz players sat down with Utah Jazz presence these Starks and aired out what they thought about the whole incident we saw Donovan Mitchell KOMO with the public saving today. We saw Thomas Alosha come up with the public statement today, and they sided with Russell Westbrook. So it's cool that they're sort of a band of brothers situation here as well that we could go to another Rena, and we wanna be treated fairly. I think send a pretty strong message the jazz that anyone else who thinks they can get away with it is going to get banned for life, which is the way to do it. But they said they found some video evidence. Maybe someone else on the phone camera. Find these fan saying what he said and doing. What he's doing? And if that's the case, then this is absolutely the right move by the Utah Jazz. There's no place for that. And the league you can go to game you can heckle you can have some fun. But if you if you across in that law, and we all know what that line is. It's not like, oh, maybe this is with some fans, not we all know what that lawn aids fan cross it, then I think the ban is fair and reasonable. Yeah. The jazz did their due-diligence going and talking to players from both teams talking to people in the arena, all kinds of video that they can't see. And then like we've seen Michelle Roberts advocate for. We saw Russell Westbrook advocate for even before this. It was Eero Tallinn's policy, basically the map superfan. Don got suspended for the end of the season. Earlier this year, we've seen what appears to be worse from this jazz fan and now he's banned for life. Not just from games, but anything going on, then it smart home arena. It's really smart move by the jazz. Basically what it hap- to happen? After the game. He was saying Westbrook. Talking to the media didn't take questions after the game. But he had a statement himself. What went down, and he said, there's going to be consequences. And he said this a couple of times. Now, there has to be consequences for a fan crossing the. Line talking about my family, something racial whenever that line. Like, you're saying we have a pretty good idea. What that is something has to happen to these fans. They can't just get off. And I think that's why you also said like look would've said it again. Now, he got he got ding twenty five thousand dollars. He may be set a little too much in terms of his profanity in the threatening to the guy and his girlfriend, and he said he would do it again. Because I think you whole thing I gotta make this initial for something to happen here for a guy like that to get the permanent band. And in this case. That's what happens. I mean, he made his point in a way, and it had become sort of an ongoing issue in Utah. Russell because I had issues with players and throat the last twenty four hours since the incident you for a lot of former players say it is tough in Utah. It's even Donovan Mitchell statement, he says this is not the first time something like this has happened in our arena. That's a jazz face of the franchise calling out jazz fans to be better. Yes. So kudos to Mitchell. I think that was also part and parcel of the ban wasn't just Russ who needed to stand up again. Doesn't stand up nothing happens. But probably Mitchell standing up top acephalous show. Also, speaking out against fans in their in their own arena. So kudos to everybody for for something up to a guy who one instance said, I didn't say anything, and then, you know, really backpedalled and Twitter, very too. Let's move on. We have another incident in the NBA last night. This one involving the raptor center surge of Baca and Cavs forward. Marquees Crist they're addicted for fighting today. The NBA hit them with suspensions. Three games for Serge one game for Chris. According to the league's release a box was given three games for instigating. The fight throwing a punch and his prior fighting history in the NBA Chris got the one game for just throwing a punch back. What did you think about this surge getting free games? Chris getting one too extreme not right. What's everyone's? That's right. I said you Baca he instigated the the event and he really win it Chris. Like, it kind of something happened that we're kind of wrestling for loose bowl. And then just gets up and goes and that stuff often see that usually. Sort of get locked up. And then maybe someone throws a punch but Chris's walking off. Now, he said something, but I mean, come on just. Just. Yeah. Exactly as veteran who's been around a long fun. But he does get the does deserve more games because of history because he has had a bit of a history farm punches at people. So he needs to be sent a message that he's doing that. Yeah. I kinda thought Baca would get more like five games because we just Brandon Ingram for the first time in his career. He gets into an altercation on the court. He got four games. Sergio Baca started this. He exhilarated it. He finished. It was basically all sorts of bucket. Like, we said he's got the prior history. That's why he got three games. I wouldn't have been surprised village five. But really that's picking search Ivanka seems like such a mild mannered guy interviews so saw spoken. He's got a rage inside him. That comes out quite often. We've seen it a few times throat his career. And this is this is most recent rafters career with you, see. James Johnson there with Robin Lopez now at least now on Robin. Lopez kind of instigate that a little bit more. But raise some fist with Blake Griffin used on some things the three-game suspension. It's going to cost a Bacha nearly four hundred fifty thousand dollars Chris twenty two thousand dollars for the one game. Just quickly vote. Chris you're fine with that him getting the one game. Some people say what did he what did he do is defending himself? He should be allowed to defend himself. 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Let's see those sons on Twitter Hatay starter thumbs up or thumbs down. I won last night. Lou Williams became the NBA's all time leader in points. Scored off the bench as his clips the Celtic one forty one fifteen sweet loose surpassed Hornets legend Dell Curry about ten minutes remaining in the fourth quarter with a driving. Layup is the NBA super you see it there. Luke finished with thirty four points on the night. He's averaging twenty point two points per game off the pine this season. Guys, are you up or down on Lou Williams chances of winning another six man of the year is it happening? It in you think so yeah, he's the only the second guy ever average twenty points. The game off the bench that other guy to do. It was Williams last year when he twenty two off the bench and one six man of the year skates. You pull the smart move taken Lou Williams in the preseason is your end of the year. He's the new Jamal Crawford just picking until he doesn't win it. It's hard to go against him. We'll give some love to spend Dinwiddie though for the Brooklyn nets. If he doesn't get injured. I think he's in that conversation. I didn't thinking Lou for it. But he's had a fantastic a bounceback season. And there's a lot of guys I think maybe looking at Liu and Jamal Crawford saying you can make a pretty good Korea. If you accept that role and adopt that really well. So I think that's a good sign because so many plays don't wanna be six men. Don't want to come off the bench, but you see this, and it could really help out of the teams there. Other guys had having good seasons like their grows in mantras hair. But not like twenty points in twenty six minutes per game. Crazy, those are wild wild numbers. And he leads the league and shots per minute. That is a six personifies what you want out of a six man, and he closes. Is a lot of their games gets the win. A lot of the times. I agree with you guys hadn't been the preseason sticking with Lou right now moving on to our next one here though in an exclusive interview with yahu sports. Chris Hanes Celtics guard Irving opened up about his rocky relationship with the media this season admitting. He's that's misteps. Yes. Quote, the we have handled things it hasn't been perfect. I mean, a lot of mistakes that I take full responsibility for I haven't said the right things all the time. I think because of how fixated I was how fixated I was trying to prove other people wrong. I got into a lot of habits over bad like reading stuff and reacting emotionally so down much reading Kyrie's latest telling me latest apology up or down. I'm up on it. I will focus on that reading part because it's like Kevin Durant who people have lumped in with the reading too many comments in the reacting and they're on burner accounts. And I care about what people think so I feel what he's feeling. He cares about what people think too much stop the reading just stop reading. Not reading in general, reading magazines, comments basketball talk. Yes, I think this is lost apology. We see from him this as in because he called up. Lebron apologized to him now is apologizing this. All right enough said latest they just get on with the game. Now, it's fine. You don't like people saying sorry to each other mistake trying to grow. He saying I made mistakes I need to be better. Here's how I'm going to be better. I think it's a good sign for the Celtics guys learning how to be a leader. It's been a rocky road so far, but he's on the right path. Justin Bieber wrote a song about it last year. Let's move on L four for did say kyri instrumental. It's too late to say sorry. Yes. Video. I was going to say L Horford said Kyrie was instrumental in this crazy team plane ride that really brought the team together. You know, he really spoke up and tried to own being a leader. So he is trying to learn from his mistake admitting such here to Christine's a great interview. He was the DJ. He might have played Justin Bieber. Sorry. Chicago. Full circle didn't play sorry on the plant. This one we gotta get in because it's really really weird over the weekend. Atlanta rookie trae unconfirmed his fear of birds. Yeah, I'm super freedom birds trades fold hoop Saif. I really can't stand birds any bird freaks me out. Now trae did note that it was pretty ironic. He plays for the Atlanta Hawks. But are you guys up or down on birds? Yeah. Why why are you down on strategy that have the Magpies and during swooping kroth? Yeah. Yeah. Sweepings very diner. Bill helping hit a few times scouring your head. Now, maybe on fit will. I'm telling you, man. Mike pause scaring, the only reason I'm done on birds. I do love birds. We tried to raise a family of four last year on our deck. Two of them died before they got out of the nest the two that lived one flew in a dog park. Immediately. Got the other into a wall and died, I'm never trying to raise Birch again to and pro bird. I think I'm pro- bird. I'm not really sure I like the fact that he's admitting they're different than us. I understand they can be a little freaky like the MAG. I thought that was a beef, Patty. I think your hairs like a nest. And it's just just go crazy. Want to land in that? Survive in surviving. When we come back. We'll get into the Eastern Conference playoff race, and whether Kemba Walker should look to leave Charlotte this free agency. Call giant fans in advance. Watcher. Last night that the pistons went into Brooklyn with the five game win streak, but they left the loss of seven different. Nets scored in double figures win put the nets half game up on the pistons for six in the Eastern Conference. And we got about a month. I'm basketball left to play the standing there guys who is getting the six seed in the Eastern Conference going to be the next. Well, this is tough. You want to get the sixty because you got a better chance of facing the Pacers Pacers are tough out. They don't have victory depot. That's the best matchup that you can find in the top quarter or the top half of the bracket there. But I think the nets are going to drop back to seventh. They've got a real tough road trip coming up they they actually have the same amount of road games as the pistons, but they're going on seven of them right now and easiest game. Here is the Lakers the rest of them extremely so I would go pistons in that six seven spot. Probably nets facing the raptors. I agree. But I do have the tiebreak. Yeah. That's done now ten to one to one. So if if the nets can have a decent road trip there, maybe split it than it does put them in a pretty strong position. But I do agree. I think the pistons probably will just get it. Because I just think that's going to be a tough one for the Knicks to to get out of a live. This was a great win for the nets last night. I was a little disappointed. I was very excited for this game the pistons and playing exceptionally strong basketball winning twelve fourteen heading into this game. And they just put up a done. No one could hit a shot for the pistons. And the nets ran away with it. I'm torn on. I don't I I start to believe in one of these teams sort of let me down, and then I'm then I'm gone and suddenly going run, I go back and forth. But I guess when I look at that net schedule that tough tough seven game road trip. I also lean towards pistons getting the sixty but as says. Tiger trae. What's the answer? We are all in agreement here the pistons have an easier schedule down the stretch. Let's go with the pistons but moving on Lordy, Lordy. Kemba Walker scored forty that's right for the time. This season KENDALL went for forty or more in a game for the fourth time this season the Hornets one of those games lost one game and a half out of the playoffs cameras. A free agent this summer, so the free Kemba contingent was going great who has make what you can do this summer. Should he stay or should he go? Yeah. He has to go and try somewhere else. He has stated multiple times some desire to stay in Charlotte and try and build a winner there. But you wouldn't knock him. I mean, he's been incredibly loyal to them. The franchise has been incredible to him the fans love him. But he's just not going to win there. And he's not going to compete for championship. I think the has to go and try somewhere else. And I don't think the fans would actually hold it against him. At this point. He's wanted three playoff games in his. These stock couple of times he's been a very very good player twenty-five again. Exactly. And you look at these guys last night. And you think man if he had some bit of talent around him who knows how good he could be in a situation like that. So I just think it's time for fresh thought. Yeah. I think the timing is bad if you're Charlotte Hornets fan that his contract comes up now while they continue to lose. And there's not a great outlook for the roster around him. He's been an all star three times. And that's more than the playoff appearances that he's had in Charlotte. Only twice there just doesn't bode well this point. This is the perfect time for him to leave. It would be nice if you could stay, but highly doubt, it they're rumors floating around the last couple of days to at the Mavericks are very interested in trying to acquire Kemba Walker. That makes him with Luca. Chris who is also like who's the second best player on the horns? I mean. Jeremy land. It's sometimes Marvin Williams the time. It's nNcholas Patou, and none of those. Yeah. Getting good sort of complement. Sure, you need that second or third star around Kimba for him to really shine. And just haven't been tried to what didn't work out rule that money at didn't work out. They've been loo to the goal has dropped it. But I just haven't been out a fine that play that that is what Kim beneath and that could be what does though keep Kemba in Charlotte is more money sticking with the horn. But if he doesn't want to try and win a playoff series, he might look elsewhere trade on so we're taking him leaving. What's the answer to this? I think he should stay just so we can maybe get statue there in Charlotte. The best hornet ever dream leave already but moving on of the week isn't a real segment we still got two candidates the first the Lakers under Ingram. Wanna last season's feel good stories? Just got called up again while surrounded by his south. May laker. Teammates are second. Chris Paul chase down a loose ball bounce. It's way to Iman Shumpert daughter. Who gave the three and this discount, Harry sweet guys? What was the more heartwarming moment? Andre Ingraham or see three. What you got lovely moments. I'm gonna go with Andre Ingram though. It's cool to have a guy with gray hair in the league. And he's he's a career G leaguer. He's leads the the most games played in the league of anyone. It's nice to get them up there and Lakers fans can stop complaining if we're talking about the Lakers. It's going to be about Andrea and not LeBron James and all their failings. Yeah. But going up against a little girl who. Who then throws Dopp? I mean, and then she went right back to snacking famous ball. And then she was like chess pots, very solid play. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm only knocking the Andrea Ingram is the second time the sequel is very very rarely better than the. So I'm skeptical. He's probably playing right is first game tonight against the bull. So we'll see maybe goes for forty. And then I'm saying something different tomorrow. Delays wanna feel good story. Give me a chance, man. So I made to attend shoot shooter. No, gray hair though, too. Then. Let's see. Oh, come on. Choose the answer is both. 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Celtics embarrass Raptors in Game 5, Jaylen Brown dunks on OG Anunby

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

16:40 min | 9 months ago

Celtics embarrass Raptors in Game 5, Jaylen Brown dunks on OG Anunby

"A commanding win for the Boston Celtics in game five 1:11 to 89 over the Toronto Raptors. I'm Sarah Goodwill here with Jimmy Toscano, Joe sweet bun and Bobby Manning from Jungle Jump. This was Boston's game played with so much purpose so much energy in one guy who brought that start to finish was Jalen Brown, which included that monstrous highlight reel. How long were you with his leadership this game? Let's start with that one because that shut the game down three things that capped a big run. It ended OG anunoby night and he's been someone who's in the series aliens career for the rest of this. Yeah. We'll see the lasting effects of that play, but it was it was an epitome of the game tight box again on one end Brown finishes in Comanche fashion and Smart Set it out. Those are three guys that struggled immensely in game for balance back here and brown, let it all with the early 3-pointer scoring throughout this game has worked on Seattle, as he's done off. Out the series and this all happened in the first half. They did everything they needed to buy halftime where you didn't even have to watch the third and fourth of you. If you're just catching this to re-watch the game and get some notes don't even watch the second half is it was a joke after that point and this was a shameful effort by Toronto, by the way. Yeah, that dunk certainly got things going for the selfish but they had things going before that and Jaylen Brown. I feel like he was taking this time a bit and that first half or at least he was being aggressive. I shouldn't say taking his time certainly being aggressive Buck saw he didn't get discouraged when his shots weren't falling and that was the case of the very beginning. You gotta give something to credit again for what they're doing defensively and transition. I think that really got things going open the floor bit huge second course, I love Brad Stevens decision to go with the his best three players to start that second-quarter Jaylen Brown's in there as well. Kemba Walker Tatum, they never took their foot off the gas pedal and the Toronto Raptors their what they've been doing all series. They outscored the Celtics and the third quarter, but fortunately for because of what happened in the second quarter and because they were able to set the tone the way they did it really matter. Yeah credit to Jaylen Brown created the Celtics. That was I was very interested to see how the Celtics team was going to come out in this game because of how poorly they played in game five. Excuse me in game for so long and brown come out hit that first shot. It was kind of like a little exhale there, you know, and then to see I thought Kemba Walker had a great game start to finish order commanding the the play out there and Marcus Smart and we haven't met him yet Daniel theis. I mean that Center position has been so huge for the Celtics when when theis is on his game. I feel like the Celtics just take it to that to that other level cuz you can say that that's probably their weak spot if things are matchups aren't going their Direction, but when sizes on I mean you saw you saw the type of game that he can give you and the production that you can get you can get from him not on offensive but on the defense and I thought him a marketing a smart defensively were just as important as Jaylen Brown and Kemba Walker were offensively. Yeah and from the start. I thought this also really showed a lot of mental tough. Nest from the Celtics because yeah all the momentum in this series was swaying in Toronto's favor. Although since game one Celtics definitely didn't put together their best game and thought it was way closer to that tonight, even though Jason Tatum wasn't super efficient very it's just solid but definitely not a notable Night by any means for arguably the best player on the team should still be able to command such a a lead throughout this entire game was impressive how pleased were you with the hot start but how concerned are you still with their third quarter of struggles? They had wiggle room this game, but in game six, do you think that they're going to need to string together a full all four quarters to be able to pull this thing off in an avoid the seventh game of the third quarter was a problem here, but the Gap was so large at that point that you said it didn't matter all that much. I was concerned about the second quarter when they had a fog Eighteen point lead. I felt like they didn't build enough of a lead to withstand a punch back by Toronto. So they rotated to their benches shows play said they left some key guys in there which was important but I see get that Center. I see want to make her out there and all of a sudden I'm questioning. Is that a baka pop out and three points are going to hit them. They gave them an open one early and he missed it had a few later. So they've options are still a questions for me. Rob Williams doesn't appear a ton in this game. It looks like Grant Williams has the favor over him which worries me cuz that's where the rebounding continues to be an issue. So the song X answered a ton of questions in this one out of game for was shot-making, especially in that second quarter Tatum want to make a drone shots, but the interior the big man questions we have that's still something that I think ultimately be settled in game six and tells a tale of the series. Yes. Yeah, I think that of course would be really empowering for the soldiers in this game. And here's why the Toronto Raptors score 11 points in the first quarter 11 points in the first quarter of them went to o g i mean, it's just scored all of their appointments in that first quarter historical. Oh for the Raptor, they're not going to do that. Again. This one the third quarter can be really important for the selfish because I expect the Raptors to maybe not jump out to the kind of start that we saw from the South but maybe something similar maybe they jump out to a seven-point lead heading into the second or something to that nature. And of course would be really important with the Celtics. I think that's when you just turn to Jayson Tatum march to say the Brad Stevens to turn to Jayson Tatum wage, I think in terms on himself a really big night, but I would like to sell this to see them sort of set him up. You know, we've seen Jason Tatum sort of by Design start to have these big nice like you saw in game one. I think this job will be beneficial for him to get set up a bit. You know, I still like his chances and these matchups whether it's the outcome or OG front of them. So why not play it more often than we've seen or at least that we saw in game five. So, yep. Pertaining to have a big night and to get a lot more attempt to dig 6 for sure. This is where I want to see if the Celtics have that killer mentality right because it's going to be the second half of a game where the Raptors are on the brink of Extinction. I'll say that the brink of Extinction and I want to make sure that we thank you and I want to see if the Celtics have that killer instinct killer mentality because they didn't need games in game three. We saw what happen there. So I want to I want to see how the Celtics come out the third quarter and game and game cheese. I'm losing track my games and Game 5. It's like Jasmine means absolutely nothing because they are up by so many points already. It's impossible in the NBA to keep to keep a lead, you know of that of that amount, you know, just a matter of time before the other teams going to come come up with a few points. But you know, you were nervous though, right and Celtics fans have watched this team. All season are nervous for a reason because it's been so nervous when I went to nineteen you did you did you log Sweet that with seven minutes left in the fourth, you are nervous which honestly know if you've seen this team play they've lacked that killer mentality where they can stretch a twenty point lead to a thirty point lead to sit there goes from 20 to 10. So I'm going to be interested to see if they need it provides a piggyback on that real quick. Sorry to cut you off but Toronto Raptors, this is kind of what they do, right? This is their identity. They race big deficits really quickly their best in the NBA doing that. The garden report is brought to you by carshield Kardashian America's number one Auto protection company for as low as $99 a month. You can protect yourself from the prizes and save thousands for a covered repair call eight hundred car. 6,000 mentioned code beat or visit carshield.com and use code beat to save 10% That's carshield.com. The Boston Celtics looked good against the Toronto Raptors in game five winning big. So is this the end for the defending champs? I'm Sarah good with them. Here with Joseph Grande Jimmy Toscano and Bobby Manning the Celtics string together another game like game Wanted game five. I don't see the Raptors coming anywhere near pushing this to a game, but we know that there's been games in the series where the Celtics have really struggled to put together a really decent starting group and full game. So do you what are the Raptors need to do to save themselves in this series and push it to a decisive game 7. Well the Raptors lost the Big Man game again for the third time the series a pretty commanding fashion tonight, Marc Gasol has disappeared from the theme and it's embarrassing everything about tonight for if you're a Toronto person. Like I've I guess I've become in this series. It was embarrassing. I didn't even want to go on the post game show. So they need to get away with this all we know the night but technical difficulties can't play. Yep that all happen. So I'd like to see them go small put Pascal siakam at Center Matt. Thomas had a good game that I thought. Some other Shooters out the bench they could go with and speed this up even more Casal should play 0 minutes in the next game. That's how bad he is. He's not going to but that's the kind of measures that raptors have to take at this point. I made it so hard on themselves with how awful they played here. Yeah. It's under shake things up kind of go where you've never gone before something to that effect. Right? I mean like this is a team had what a hundred points Off the Bench heading into this series. So let's see more guys come off the bench ear rondae hollis-jefferson. That's the one guy I can think of that could probably come together a 16-point game out of nowhere. It could happen. I'm not saying it's impossible for the Raptors, but that's one way Nick nurse to go and I wouldn't be surprised if you see that go solid probably going to start in this Bobby. I don't know. Maybe you see a shake-up. But either way I don't see him playing than seven eight minutes or meeting tonight zero. Yeah. I mean, I think that's that's that's Nick nurses. Last last card is the last one he could play here. I think and I think from there you just log You play off of what Brad Stevens has been doing defensively and see if you can crack it. You know, these two coaches have been going back and forth. So one hell of a chess match of right now, you know, Nick nurse is the first time one of them is up against the ropes off. Well, it's it's it's baffling to me why your back is not starting over Gasol at this point because it's been clearly. I mean, he was good of a no-show in game five Ibaka, but he's been one of the most consistent played in the series. So I'm kind of surprised to see that but for the Raptors it's to me it's pretty simple. They their best players have been in foul trouble for pretty much all this series whether it's Yoakum van Fleet. They've they've been forced to go to the bench. They've been forced to play, you know half probably intensity that they that they need to be able to be, you know effective on on both ends of the basketball court. So Seattle has been a huge disappointment. You got to get him going if you're the Raptors get him in some sort of Zone get him in get him in the regular season siakam. Oh because all raptors fans. Keep telling me is this guy's game. Twenty-five Thirty points. I haven't seen anything out of him through five games. So I think if you're the Raptors you need to get somebody going early put the Celtics on the defense if if you have to sell these get off to an early again. It's going to be over. Well, I've said from the jump that this is going to be a six-game series that the Celtics come out on top. So I'm not changing my tune hear you guys have to go around the horn. Is this the Celtics series on Wednesday night, or is it going to go seven games John asked me what the Raptors could do to flip this around and stuff to answer but I just have an innate feeling. This is the game. Yeah, that's the guy but I just believe in this team the 57 wins the turning around at the series already. They've done this year. They when people are lowest on them. They turn it around. I think they'll do it at least one more time in the series. Now, this one is done. I think Jayson Tatum has a monster light maybe another thirty Point light bulb that affect is the best player in this series. And right now I'm not going to say he hasn't looked great. He's been all right, especially after watching him in game five, but he's going to remind everyone he's the best player in the series for sure how The Celtics played in game one and game for gives me reason to believe that they have the edge over the Raptors. I haven't seen a great Raptors game yet through five games and I'm not sure but now you can't say that was a great game. Cuz we said that was the Celtics were seen by far and still they had a chance to win that game as they went down the stretch. So to me, it goes It goes down to it's the Celtics best first the Raptors best. If you ever see those two best in the same game. I'm going to take the money and I think that they're ready to move on to the Eastern Conference Finals Celtics looked like the far superior team in game five in the Raptors could be on the brink of elimination. I moved here a Goodwill here with Jimmy Toscano, Joe sweet bone and Bobby Manning. I know I'm going to start with Bobby here because he was all aboard the Toronto Raptor train before the series and has really sucked guns wage, but how does the administrative and specifically in game five with the Fallout that the Raptors have shown? Well, they ruined to predictions already and there were about to ruin a birth. The my Raptors and seven and I thought they were going to be no more bullets in the series and look at what we get here and embarrassing run away game that was done in the second didn't even have to watch the threat as I said our the video and they couldn't even keep this close like their rotations. Everything was just so out of whack. I thought they were the adjustment team knowing game adjustments. And so I'm just completely disappointed with them. I thought it was one of the more disgraceful playoff games. I've done I thought this was going to be a classic that was my other prediction. This was far from it and they already had me doubting them in the series bow. Like I don't know how you can't after that. It's going to be so hard for them to win the series and I look at Kyle Lowry Marcus all I mentioned the last video but Kyle Lowry he had the punch in game 3/4 in this one just sputtering along. Yeah, but see that's what that's what you got to start giving props to Brad Stevens. That's that's that's how you should have ended that sentence right there because Brad Stevens got to Kalahari and I think he figured out that that's what it's been really pushing Raptors to squeeze out these wins, you know in the last two games and and what what a defensive assignment for for Kemba in the Celtic because the guy doesn't say still but Brad figured it out, especially in transition. So I'm yeah where the brothers can go from here. It's just so tough because I just think this is so overly mad when those three guys Kemba Walker Tatum and and brown are going the way they were going through 3/4. It's just too much for them to handle but they were able to do it in games three and four. So, let's see what Nick nurse has up his sleeve. Let's see what Nick nurse has up his sleeve the coach of the year fortunately. Unfortunately, mr. Coach of the year is too busy talking to the referees. I feel like since game 1 game 1 game too. I mean every time they show this guy he's sitting there like this. We're sitting down opening minutes. The owners in there like this. He's always pissed off with a rep or something. How about some accountability? I mean, this is the coach of the year and in listening. I'm not saying he hasn't deserved that honor but I will say this I think he's been so concerned with and and frustrated by some of the officiating that his players are kind of rubbing off on that a little bit and like Nick nurse again technical tonight. And there was an I think there was another player on the Raptors who got a technical have any Baka arguing or it was either by corollary arguing with the Reps about something and its skin to the point where even the announcers are starting to say something, you know, Nick nurse, you know, you know, I'm not going to some some something about Nick nurse is still talking to the rest of the sidelines. So it's just become almost like a joke at this point to see this guy complain as much as he does. I don't see Brad barely. Do I see Brad Stevens I said over and follow that at least isn't deserving of one. I mean, he had one overturned earlier, but to me, it's it's Nick nurse and I'll say it again siakam. This guy is an absolute. No show if you're a dog And you have to be completely fed up with see a component my opinion like the master the game. Did he cuz he looks like Haley siakam again. What did he ripped him to hear that? He never does that. Yeah. He said I'm not sure why he's been so out of rhythm. He hasn't had a lot of great games. That's like that's the worst you're going to get. That's the most you'll get from the nurse criticize fax know if she is not a lot better in game six then gossiping over but you did know in the comments whether or not you think the Raptors are going to push this thing to a game seven or you think the Celtics are on to the Eastern Plains finals took all the rest of our Celtics coverage find it on our website at CNS media, and don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel at Celtics All Access

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The 2019 NBA Free Agency Preview Extravaganza with Ryen Russillo: Kawhi, Butler, Kemba, Lakers, and more! | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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We're in a breakdown all of the narratives on Thursday, heading into the big weekend, where the NBA has never been more outta whack and crazy and more things in play. So that is all coming up. I are friends from Pearl Jam. All right. We're Sylla's here. I'm right now in Boston. Massachusetts russillo is in Los Angeles. This is the jolly. Yeah. Coast to coast. I'm here, you could feel the excitement for Kemba Walker. There's no Kemba Walker Celtics jerseys yet. But if there were people would be walking around with them russillo, does this happen? We're taping this Thursday to clock, east coast time. Do you believe this woes report? Latter reports actually come into the Celtics. Yeah. I really do. And I think the first sign was just this, this overwhelming confidence, which can be very misleading. I mean, remember we got overwhelming confidence. I think from the Celtics side of their ability to resign Kyrenia times, but that this was all about the Baynes B's moving that out that this was all about lining up to grab another guy in that this wasn't going to be a rebuild. And reset, they wanted to add somebody big, and it, would it would actually be really surprising. If Campbell weren't the guy. So that's my answer. If you're Kemba, would you rather? Go to Boston or Dallas. Ma'am. Feels like the two guys for Dallas have bigger star potential right now than say, what are we talking Tatum and Brown? Yeah. And, and Marcus and whatever that Memphis, pick ends up being in whatever else. Yeah. And a good organization. But don't you also feel like despite the Celtics thing that the piling on has actually led to pay basically people like completely underrating, how good the Celtics could still be? Yeah, I agree. Well, if they're basically kyri is a sunk cost. He's out. You're basically trading Horford for Kemba Walker. And then the question becomes, can you patch together Horford stats, you're not gonna patch together? Would he brings to the table on defense? You're not going to patch together his leadership, the hundred twenty playoff games. He's Ben and all that stuff. But could you could you patch together his numbers with two or three guys and at least have a shadow of a decent five, and I think they could cause they would have the four point eight million exemption. There's bio guys, there's all kinds of stuff. So it is conceivable with me, Kevin O'Connor floated out, man. See, I feel bad because he's, he's probably gonna use this on a podcast. KFC shutouts KFC. He floated out our MBA slack, would it make sense for them to trade. Jalen Brown for su- bonus on the Pacers or whether whether that was some framework of a deal and could you then what you have? Is that a better team or worse team? I'd actu-. Rather keep Jaylen Brown. But could they use Jalen Brown as a chess piece to try to get a center from another team? Could that be? Maybe portland. I still feel like Portland has a trade in them. Could Jalen Brown, be the next piece to this? I personally think they would just signed Kumba patched together the five and see what they have. And then decide December January February. What are they what they're gonna do? What do you think they would do? Yeah. I really think they would they would try to find a way to maximize what Jalen Brown and Tatum are going to be because I get the sense that they really want to see what those guys are like now away from Kyrie. Yeah. To whether it's being ball dominant were at times like this still this ongoing debate of are they better worse. And I know what the record was was out without kyri. But even though I don't you know, love the kyri thing, and it was uninhabitable. This year. I still think it's a little ridiculous ago. They were there absolutely better team without him. But there's a real, it's, it's not the numbers. There's, there's a real thing that was lingering all year long. We're kyri thought he was this old soul. And the way he looked at the world in the way that kind of permeated throughout the locker room and then he started realizing because the younger guys like this guy's just a weirdo. Yeah. And we don't like fuck off man and kyri sense that, and then he got mad that the young dudes didn't respect him as much, and I'm not even talking about efficiency and true shooting percentage or stuff. I just think there's going to be this thing where the two wings now are just in a better place, whether it's basketball fit isolation opportunities or just actually liking to show up to work every day I was researching Kemba kyri and stumbled across the kyri, quote after Kumba torch the Celtics in March when he had the eighteen points in the last eight minutes, and Kyrie said we should have probably trapped him a little bit more like every other to you as in the league. But we didn't he tortures us every time we play them. It's no surprise it. Got me more excited for Kemba the Celtics. It also or. Minded me how miserable, the kyri Susan was because he did shit like that. Like, if we if we did this podcast. And right afterwards, you said, look, I wanted to talk about the Knicks like every other podcast, but Bill didn't want to. But that's his prerogatives. I'd be like what the fuck dude? What you say that we angrily texting each other, and we did that shit all the time. And I just think removing that I'm with you. I, I personally would like to see Brown and Tatum together as kind of the Fokker of the team, along with cameras the closer. And I think, you know, Kemba was one of those guys, I sent you some stats Dame, Kiri and Kumba and Kumbo you would always have said was the third best offensive player of those three. But I think what's interesting is he's eighty five to ninety percent where those other guys are statistically, not playing on teams that were as good and I was wondering when I look at stats. So so you look at like, like Damian Lillard. Was twenty six and a half six and five basically Kyrie was twenty four and a half six and four and Cambo is twenty four six four. This is the last three years and the percentages for Kyrie were better than the percentages for Dame shooting west like he shot basically forty eight percent from the field forty percent from three Campbell was forty four percent from the field, thirty eight percent from three but you figure when you're on a bad team nobody ever seems to mention this you end up taking too bad shots at game. Because you have to build out your team in the last five seconds of shot clock. I think it's so much easier to be Steph curry, and, you know, I love Steph curry on a really good team where you're basically taking the best versions of the shots, you wanna make versus the guy who's just constantly screwed because, you know, Cody Zeller was supposed to post up his guy with eight seconds left and couldn't figure out what to do and through a back to Kemba. Now Kemba has four seconds left to do something isn't there a possibility that with Stevens and? And with you know, a better offense and some more some more shooters, things like that, couldn't you see Kumba stats going up, or am I to being to optimisic? It may not be the raw numbers that were used to points. Because when you watch them this year, it was ridiculous. Like the fact that they were still competing and fighting the way they were at the end of the season, and in lamb was their second best score and there are other Batumi was terrible. Bridges really struggled at times. Muggy Gilchrist is is not an offensive player. They, they didn't have anybody else really other than lamb in some moments where you felt, you could Bill Walker out. So I do think that there's some truth to this. But now I'm afraid at the start of this podcast. We've gone too far into like I still wouldn't put him against Toronto with Kawai. I'm not putting ahead of Philly. I'm not putting him ahead of Milwaukee. I still need to see what happens here with Brooklyn. So even though like we're looking at this Boston thing, and, and I'm agreeing with the stat thing here where you're right. And when you have to take all his bad shots, it's probably more than two bad. Shots a game. Yeah. Terrier for especially on that Charlotte team specifically. Right. Because there wasn't even another dude that was always the Isaiah thing at in Boston that I feel like nobody paid attention to, and I repeat it all the time. But the reason he had those numbers is not only was everything set up for him. But nobody else even cared the gave Adly was the second most aggressive offensive player. That's ridiculous. Right. So with somebody like Kemba, there wasn't even another guy that, that would go. Hey, that's a bad shot or that's bad shot. It was just I'm going to try to work you off the dribble and I'm going to figure out a way if I can get you and then, you know, a lot of times too, I think, KFC did a really good job with is like looking at his spot of shooting numbers off the ball. Like that's something that gets you excited because I'd love to see Gordon Hayward back in a role that we saw with him at the end of his Utah run where he was this incredible playmaking big, you know, six seven six eight but with the ball in his hands made really good decisions. So, you know, even if it say they had gone vucevic instead of Kemba, and I'm also going to give your guy. Charkes did I say that, right? So sharks. Give him a lot of credit because he broke down, kind of Kemba. I'm sure you read it. But the Kemba vucevic thing where, you know, Al Horford is really the, the thing that made this thing go, because he's this big who takes threes, at really good rate can pass and also defends which rooch, isn't going to be able to do, but it was kind of funny, how he was arguing more of the Celtics, one of which more than a Kemba. So, like I like the Kemba thing I think it's a relief that, you know, he's, he's going to be somebody comes in and his the out the opposite personality of what kyri was, but I still don't know that like I'm ready until I see Tatum kind of get back to it was two years ago or Jalen two years ago. The all the we finished really well and without a center, like I still don't even know if I put him in the top four the east is that. Yeah, I would I would have them. Let's say they get Kemba. And let's say they figure out whatever with the four point eight they get Reshad homes, and, you know, Willie call Stein, whatever lovers genomes. Yes. So it's a four seed, and it's not a team that can win the title, I think would would. Fun about it is you're in the mix. You've now put a nucleus together, that's one guy, or one move away from really becoming interesting and most important. It's a really fun team Kemba Walker who again, I think is probably third, if you're gonna go just talent wise, Dame Kiri in Kumba is by all accounts of beloved teammate and somebody who buses ass and really gives a shit and just cares about team team team. That's it like even his usage rate was lower the Damon kyri the last three years, that seems to be hassle. That's probably whom there's probably a little bit tomb hangover on that one. But I can't even imagine what with the reason is I would have thought his usage rate would have been like thirty seven it was twenty nine but you have that, and then you're basically, you're putting the cards on the Jason Tatum table, and the Gordon Hayward table. And you're hoping. That the flashes that Hayward showed, especially that last month of the season when they were running stuff through him as a point forward and his playmaking -bility, and he and his unselfishness, and if you put that you take the kyri piece away, 'cause they clearly had issues, not just playing together but I really do feel like he had some like PTSD with kyri because of the alleyoop and some other shit. You take that away. And you, you, you add like a healthier more confident playmaking Hayward. And then the biggest biggest X factors Tatum. It. What is he next year? Is he going to be a guy that goes to the line is, is there going to be, you can add stuff to his game that is commensurate with the talent that he seems to have or is it going to be the same guy? We watch last year who's jacking up shots, who is kind of a black hole who plays hard, but doesn't seem like it's life or death for him. Sometimes is what, what happens with him is almost more important than any of this stuff because that, that's the ceiling for them is if he becomes an actual star, then we can start talking about them as a top for it or anything. Absolutely. And right now, if it doesn't happen this year than it's gonna go. Wow. That was that was really misleading, you know, to be that young to be doing it, even though I still think that playoff run is a little overrated. Yeah. Years ago. You know, it, it allows you to think like, hey, you know just a bucket away for playing for a title like. Yeah, but, you know, I I just always feel like that thing becomes in. Hindsight, like really overrated. But he the way he played and you just said it to, like, I don't know. I could pull it up here in a second. 'cause maybe I should have thought of this, but I always felt like he was a more like some of his vision stuff that he showed me as, as a rookie micro. My gosh, like if he drives and the help comes, and then he'll find somebody to kick it out to, like, forget it. This guy is going to be incredible. And then you go is he taking long twos because he's pissed kyri like what are you like you're going to do this now? And people am Kobe, which was the best part of the whole thing. But I still blame Coby Ryan. We'd but we both played basketball. I mean, let's go there we played basketball. I do think you just jump into how the rest of your team is playing, and if and if it's a black hole situation, and, you know, ship, Marcus Morris is in and Kyrie's in when the boss swings to me, I gotta shooter, I'm not going to see it again. That does happen. That's a realistic thing we saw from two years before. It was less of a black hole situation, but there did seem to be a little more and selfishness than what we saw last year. And I think the intriguing thing to me with if you had Kemba and Hayward and Jalen Brown and Tatum is I do think there would be an unselfishness, especially if you put the fifth guy in there, who's just wants to set picks and rebounds and stay out of the way and not care about if you touch the ball, it's definitely more interesting team. I think the big takeaway for me is this was going from a situation where you go. Well, this ended abruptly the window is now closed they now have to rebuild retool, and they're now has to be a three to four year. Plan in place to try to get back to contention you bring camp in forty seven fifty wins becomes realistic again. And then more importantly, your one piece away again. And they have that Memphis, pick Memphis traded Conley. Memphis is now rebuilding around Marantz and. And and Jag Jackson and it's just unrealistic, that they're going to be a playoff team next year. It's a top five protected pick that might be the six seven pick or a my rollover, they make editor year later. And then the protections are even even worse for Memphis. So that is there one big trade ship, and Langford, I think, is a trade ship choose nineteen. He was the fifth highest ranking high school or a year ago. And if they wanted to package Langford, and that Memphis, pick and smarts contracts, or whatever I think they could potentially get something. My point is they're alive. Again, if this Kumba thing happens now, if it doesn't happen, I think it'd be devastating because it, they there are now signs of life with the Celtics future. And if Dallas came in and pull them away. That'd be bad. Are you surprised Charlotte, didn't go all in on him at the five years to twenty one? No. Not at the five years to twenty one but I felt when Kemba like in an unprecedented admit. Of let's make it work where he goes. I don't need the five years to twenty one. When when that doesn't happen. I couldn't so I go, okay. Well, that, that just means that Charlotte. King say, hey, we don't have to pay you this. And this is kind of the whole point of my, like everybody thinks the supermax is stupid or it's wrong, or it's not working the right way. And I go, no, it just works differently for different people, depending on what their decisions are what's what's important to them, and I still thought they could do a five-year version of it. Whereas, we're not going to be new that, but we'll do the other big one. But then does that mean now he's been disrespected or it is Jordan looking at going, and I was reading a lot of the Charlotte stuff last night. And, you know, I know people can look at Jordan says, guys terrible owner, you know, front office change over what's the plan here? You know, I had I had one scout that said when I'd heard Charlotte was connected to Rui Moore, who ended up not even being there when they wanted him, and I was like, yeah, you, I, they, I think Charlotte, I've heard once and like all that makes sense because they don't know what they're doing. And just went. Wow. Okay. Seattle, these things up. But like could could anyone argue Jordan by going because they have so many high salary guys their salary sheets. Ridiculous for team. That's not even in the playoffs enjoins like I'm going to be a luxury tax paying team and we not be like, if I sign Cambe where luxury tax team likely, and I'm not even a locked to be in the top eight the east, like what's the point? So I, I would say, here's the point. I go back and forth. I think last week, I thought there shouldn't sign up, but I was really thinking about it, and I made a list, I know you hate lists of the best player. So I have a though I've listened to you later, it's gonna go forever. I just made a list of like, all right. Who are the best with forty players in the league right now? Not a trade by lists, but just like a like that who are the best forty like if I just starting next season, what forty guys would. I wanna have kemosabe San that list is in the top twenty she's is somewhere between eighteen and twenty two dependent hide feel but for them. You're just losing that asset you're getting nothing for it. If you signed him for like five years when eighty five something like that, man, that's high. Oh my God. We're up to luxury tax. I still think you could flip that. Because, you know, December January February I still feel like that's an asset that you could turn into more assets. Maybe you could dump a Cup a contractor to out whatever you wanted to do. I would almost wanna sign him just as the asset. Not even thinking long term. We're going to win a title with this guy. And I think I think it's a mistake to let him go. And I and you know. I guess I don't understand the point of having a team if you're not gonna go into luxury tax once then maybe you should sell the team. There's lots of rich guys that want to buy an NBA team right now. And if the luxury taxes that scared to you that you're just like fuck it amount. Good luck Kemba. Maybe you should known the two. If Jordan had a better track record, I would I'd probably disagree with you, stronger. You know. And yet like to think about what Jordan's main it will do. I mean this isn't a guy who's invested in a bunch of dot com stuff and his worried about making payroll. But, you know, I don't even know I'd love to know the finances of, of what he actually had to put down because I think NBA the NBA the league itself wanted him to be in there as an owner, really badly like like some of these deals, I think you would agree with this, because I think, you know, the ownership stuff better than a lot of people out there, and it certainly have a bud sealer, like just picked people he liked, so you get the team you don't look at what if I want to bid more. Yeah, I don't care you get it. The NBA. Has I think over the years like made sure that everybody was on the same page with who they bring in the other twenty nine guys want that guy to be there. And I think Jordan is definitely somebody, they wanted in ownership, but I can't I don't know. It was hard when I was going through it on looking at all the terrible contracts, they've done, which is our own fall, and to have them go. Wait a minute. You really think I'm supposed to sit here and, and do this and pay the luxury tax. But you're right. Like at thirty two years from now, would they will flip him in some kind of asset? Sure. But, you know, there are times I've always felt that way. Like when Atlanta did the Joe Johnson deal? And I'm like you just keep the asset and you go or you don't pay. Joe Johnson that much. So I'd love to know what the final demand was from Kemba side. And if they were just, hey, will only match what's the most you can get from everybody else, then that's where a player can start going. Okay. Well, now I'm being disrespected. And by the way, we're not even that good. So I'll go up to Boston and try to get into the playoffs here. I think Charlotte's salary mess is both worse than we're making it seem. But also. Oh, better. Because if they signed him, let's say they started him at thirty three million and gave them like one hundred eighty for five whatever there'd be luxury text him. But there's also lead at the end of the tunnel because Kidd Gilchrist thirteen million, this is the last year that Marvin Williams fifteen million. That's the last year that beyond Bo is seventeen million. That's the last year that so they're wei-ping almost fifty million off the books after this season. So they would not be a luxury tax team, the year after and then in the two thousand twenty season that's when they would also lose a tomb and Cody Zeller for another forty two so they would really take the hit for this one season. And I guess the question is, if I'm if I'm in Charlotte, and I'm Michael Jordan. Is it worth it to take the hit once and obviously they thought no it's not worth it. But if I'm a Hornets fan I'm like holy shit. Really? So you're not gonna pay. Luxury tax one time, and we're just gonna lose the sky, and that's it. I get to watch them on Boston. I could see him in the playoffs and the other thing with the Celtics getting Kumba. He's somebody that's never really had a taste, you know, and I like getting those guys those late twenties guys who've never really been. You know, have have not been in that, that may play off game on a on a Wednesday night. You know, the eight o'clock start time and it's game five of round two and you, you have a chance to meet the conference finals. I love those guys. Those are the guys that are going to one hundred forty miles an hour, trying to do everything they possibly can, and it's such a contrast from, where they were with Kyrie in that book series last year, which I keep coming back to, but it was traumatizing to watch a little, he cared in that book series, you know. And I, I think they just want to get away from that more than anything give us guys who care why I told you that I think he I had a poll up the beginning of the week says who would be better on the Celtics Kemba or Kyrie. Addresses classic but it was ninety six percent Kemba the love affair for Cambe. In this city. It's not even going to be about the fact that he's Cambe or that he was at uconn had that magical Ron or that. He's good. It's going to be such a celebration of the anti kyri that it's gonna get weird. Yeah. It's going to be your buddy who's bragging about a girl in your life. Look, I get you like her, and she, hey, we're happy, well, but, you know, and then he's like no, you don't understand the other ones used to get drunk at brunch, and she assaulted a waitress, you know, she liked. She was sexting with my brother or like you don't you don't understand how bad it got like. Oh, wow. That's why cliff is so happy. Now, the ad and I didn't really get it before it's going to be there, 'cause the kyri things are gonna get so nasty because there's gonna be some articles that come out, we've already talked about all this stuff, students need to rehash it all, but it's going to be not just a celebration of, of Kemba. It's going to be a celebration that he's not kyri and it's going to be really funny in the beginning. I think Kemba will never be the best guy on a final team or. Or even not could even be what Lillard was the best guy in a conference finals team. I'm not sure I think the arrested team would have to be really good. What he can be is the second best guy a really good team. And I'm no. I. Right. I mean Raya but if he's your one be year in really good shape. And that goes back to the Tatum thing, which the Tatum thing is the single most important thing, Boston has gone on leg. I if you strip everything away, Ken Tatum, get there is the number one question with the Celts and the thing that they think about all the time and, you know, the ceiling of this team, they made that Brooklyn trade, and guess what? The assets left are basically, Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and Jason Tatum has a punchers chance of being a top ten guy. I don't know if he's going to get there. He certainly took a step back last year. But at least he's in the mix I have a couple more topics for you. Real quick, though. I looked up the Tatum stuff here to the fact that he's at a fifteen P are back to back years. Isn't a great sign. The true shooting today. I went down the assist rate, you know, went up a bit rebounding a bit. But, you know, just some of the other metrics, like wind shares and all that other stuff to drop off the way he did in that second year when he. Played the same number of minutes in the usage rate went up just a little bit. He he better show it this year, or he's going to be that guy that you remember when we thought Tatum was like one of the best trade ships in the NBA, and it's fair to have thought that way his his year. But I've always said that, if you're going to be really special exemption if he's going to be truly special. We're gonna see glimpses of it this year. And it'll be confirmed in his second year. It usually doesn't, you know, Kawai other guys those, those are those are anomalies. So if Tatum has another lackluster year, that's probably who is going gonna end up being. So you're right. We've talked about this before some just going to say quickly, but the free throw attempts to me are everything Tatum, if, if he's gotta be in the seven eight ranch deckchair. He just has to it because otherwise, he's just checking up 20-footers threes. And I just don't I think there's a lot of guys in the league that can do that. Let's take a quick break, and then I I wanna throw some free agency. Takeaways you. Hey. It's summertime. That means it's time to get outside. Enjoy the weather with some crisp refreshing, bud lights, bud. Light has the perfect summer lineup with Bud Light lime and Bud Light orange both brewed with real citrus peels. Oh, yeah. New in just in time for the summers. But lemon tea brewed with real lemon peels N t leaves. It's the ideal drink for the summer. 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We've had in recent a bit history. I, I have not seen somebody heading toward, July first leaving more teams confused reading tea leaves asking friends of friends of friends and teammates for refrains of teammates, the all-time fridge Negga. I think we've ever had what it, what do you think going to agree more? I I did a thing on this with van Pell after the draft when I was back in Bristol doing sportscenter, and I talked to, you know teams that. All the teams cap space hoped to, to get an audience with him and one assistant GM. I was talking to I go, you know what do you think when you what are you hearing? He goes, no, no, don't don't ask those questions about why don't don't ask them because it there's, there's no there's no inner circle. There's these were his words it was it was fascinating. He and he just kept going on and on. He goes you go down trail. And you think it's gonna lead somewhere to some kind of hint. The trail goes dry. It doesn't happen. You ask for phone number. Now that one doesn't work like what's up? What's up with it? Like, is it is it his uncle? And then he goes, the ankle takes all this heat, and the actually like, really he's a really educated guy. And this is somebody who's trained and finance, and, but he's just not gonna talk to a million different people. He goes, there's no, like barber shop where you can find out like how he really feels. There's no a you connection. He goes guys San Antonio. Still don't really know who this guy was, and don't really understand what the hell happened. He goes out works out in San Diego and people like you just shows up works out and leaves like it was so incredible. And then you start talking to teams over and over again in Bill. Well, it's the same thing, and that the message was at least from the guys like I appreciated teams telling me that they knew they didn't know and also warning me don't listen to somebody that starts telling you that they know because there, there isn't there isn't access to where he's leaning like there are with every other player and other other places kept secrets lebrons been good with it in the past a ranch. Trying to do it right now with this whole thing, but they're still leans, they're still ways this could possibly go with quiets unlike anything that I've ever seen. And there's a lot of teams that feel the same way. So yes, we really from all we can tell it's basically just uncle Dennis. It doesn't seem like it really seems like that's the extent of the inner circle these other guys like when the Brian was coming to the Lakers and everybody knew it for a year. There's so many LeBron tentacles, and it was impossible for people not to find out not to mention he bought all the real estate, the coli thing, it's basically trying to read, uncle Dennis who says nothing and only talks to basically two people. And then the fact that co I bought a house in San Diego, which may mean nothing or everything other than that, like, I'm amazed by how the his teammates don't seem to even have any feel for the way they talk about him is e could even see it at the parade, like they're on eggshells with them because they can't figure about, you know, he, he wore that board banned shirt at the parade. And he did the fake Hawaii laugh, and they reacted like it was like, oh, my God, we're sharing this moment with this guy. You know, I can't remember an MBA porter like this. We've had a Niklas like I don't think cookie was, you know, really a complicated guy. I don't think people are sitting there trying to figure out who team. He's just as quiet guy who kicked everybody's ass. I don't think people totally knew what he was thinking at all times, but even Akeem, I felt like somebody like, Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell. Like those guys had a feel for him. I don't know if anyone has a feel for coli, and I'm with you. I like anything he does on June thirtieth, July first whenever the date is, is picked. I'm just prepared for anything. Like if he said, you know what? I just have always wanted to be a Laker. I've never told anybody I'm gonna take a little less. Brian davis. I wouldn't be shocked. Would you that one would actually shock me? I know I know I'm breaking the rule that I just said, but it's always felt like camp. Lebron is kind of known that collide isn't exactly. Wanna sign up for that. Okay. That's at least how they feel right? Like, hey, you know, is when all this would have gotten sense. Yeah. Yeah. I think but, you know, they they've been wrong about stuff too. Right. You know it. I mean everybody's wrong about stuff every now. And then, like, we think this is gonna happen. This could possibly happen, his going back, even a year ago. When the Lakers were, I don't know how close they were, you know, there's always been this thought that if anger more included than they would have gotten that deal done last year for the Spurs, there's other beyond with think there's no way Popovich was ever Trading cO, why to the Lakers, because, you know, he, he doesn't want any stuff, although it was remember when pop was doing, like that, that stretch there where he was complimenting. Lebron felt like every hour. Yeah. When when San Antonio was was hoping to kind of potentially be in the mix for LeBron so, yeah. Of course, had ham going to be a lake like to your, your bigger point. Yeah. I don't think there's really anything that's going to surprise me because we just don't know, we don't know that much about him. His teammates, and how they interact or how they react to them. Such a great point to bring up. But I think it would probably surprise the LeBron guys a little if if go I said, oh, yeah. Actually, I do want to just be a Laker here. And like I've said before, too, can you imagine being Kurai and thinking you have anything left approve like what's the biggest thing about this motivation? It's not a ring. You've just done it twice. And you've evolved into the star, maybe the best player in the game in a way that we've never really seen before. That's another thing like how unlikely is he as the best player, if we're sitting here saying he's the best player in the NBA's best player in the world? It may have been derived around stays healthy, and what the way everything was going there. Let's just say for everything that's happened. The results are this is the best player in the world. Have we ever had an as an unlikely number one player in the NBA is why it's pretty crazy? We even when I made that top forty list, which I made in five seconds. I was surprised how easily I put Hawaiian the one spot as like how can you not put them in? One spot. He just had one of the best player fronts. We've ever seen and he's the best to web-post in the league. And he's only twenty seven about to be twenty eight and less their stuff going on with his leg that we don't know about. I don't see with the ran out of the equation. It's either him or Jaanus for that top spot. And by the way, if there is something going on with his leg. Can you imagine by the way, I still am not healthy? I mean, I don't know that I believe, like how could he played this well? But anyway. Well, that I was gonna ask you this. All right. Let's say his free agent possibilities are the clippers. I'm going to throw the Philadelphia seventy Sixers in there just for the hell of it Toronto. And is there any other team you throw in? Let's say the Knicks just for fun should giggles. Would you want to see his medicals before you made him a four year max offer? Or would you just wing it? I. Well, I mean, of course, you'd want to see them writing, what if you're Philly, and he says, and then it says Boardman wants to sign with Philly can't see medicals just you get that text just. Yes or no right now. What would you do? How close to being fired as a GM? You're out Brad. So you're close. No. I just got the gig. I just I. You're, you're, you're the Harris Butler thing. You're close. To somebody's going to leak that. I said yes to that contract if it goes wrong. So I can't I can't say yesterday and they'll be what reloaded sent him a text saying, hey, four years max can't from born bills, and russillo did an all caps done with a smiley face emoji. Bad watts for year backs. Yes or no? Yeah. Okay. But based on what I just saw. Why would you not want to give him that? I mean, if the Rams going to get a four year max, and you just blew out his achilles what three years older. I you know, there's a there's a worse contract to give out there. But I don't know that I could put myself in that situation. Boo. Okay. Would you agree that there have been things? There's guys that we've heard about over the years that were like, oh, you hey, by the way, you know, the word on the street is, you know, so and so's foot is shot. And yes, it is. I hear by the way, that's, that's usually that intelligence is correct. We heard that with Blake Griffin's knee in two thousand fifteen and sixteen. Yeah, his knees are never going to be the same. Guess what is these have been the same? Like usually, these guys are right when you're that stuff. Yeah. Well, I, I feel like there's been a couple that I've heard were glow. I don't really know that I wanna say, would they? Yeah. They were wrong. So let's just leave it at that. Like there's a higher profile players that, you know, over the course of just talking. And hey, you ever hear about, you know, so, and so, like, we, we heard a doctor said this guy, you know, they wouldn't even clear him physically. And then the guy's made three all star team since then I need, like five number brain him ROY last decade, really having good Intel on that one and, and people saying, like, let that guy is going to be great, but he's the of the league like five, six years, like really, like, yeah. He's gonna be out of the league like out of the league. Yeah. He's out of the league in five or six years. So I I do think like with knees and, you know, like repeated stress fractures, and feet and stuff like that the Koi injury. I gotta say, I still don't totally understand what the jury was. It's, it's with whenever they describe it and talk about it. I I'm confused like did he reactivate it last year? Boardman has told us so. I don't know. I don't I don't know. It sure looked like especially in the post title celebration. Rachel Nichols posted that one thing where she was talking to lower in Kawai came over with the trophy and he was calling at the Larry OB must have seen that clip. Right. It was like a minute co I was limping, and it, it was like a limp like you know, like a per nnounced old guy, limp. Like like his body had merely barely made it through the final. So I don't know. I, I would I would tend toward one into see the medicals. But if Dennis put a gun to my head, I think I would just fold probably do it get fired. I'm not as good at breaking down. But. I got to see this lymph footage. I'll send it to you. It's, it's on there. It's he's, he's definitely. It's a full lip, but he did play Twenty-three playoff games, and went from, you know, this load management season where they were really careful with them, too. They the especially the last two rounds who's playing hurt. I have no idea how the quad thing plays out if I had to bet right now we're heading into the weekend. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would say fifty five forty five forty five would be the clippers. I've been thinking he was going to go the clippers this whole time, forty five Coopers fifty five. He does a one on one with Toronto and keeps his options open because he would be the number one free agent next year too. So that's my prediction, which is not really a prediction. But I'll go fifty five forty five. What would you do? I'm a new go. Fifty five forty five the other way. Okay clippers. And then the Toronto thing 'cause 'cause the Toronto one on one thing, the first time it was presented as an option. I'm like, oh, yeah. Hey, okay. Yep. That makes sense gets the two more years. You've wants to do is to sort of in control this whole thing. But what if he's injured, does he really want to do a one on one and I still don't know how injury really is like I think it could hurt and it's a playoff, Ron. And there were so many moments where everything was on him offensively. But actually think that Toronto showed great scoring more so against Golden State than they did. And some of the other rounds so it wasn't like he was constantly having to do it. You made a great point during the finals, where we were watching him in U K, watch him at minute three or four of this quarter where he decides. Okay. Now, I'm going to be really, really aggressive and do it. And not just his own maintenance throughout a game. Is that the way some vets do it? Or is that because there's something that's hindering him from going that hard for an eight minute stretch and a quarter. You know. So if, if all of these, like, say this thing, I gotta just get off his injury thing here. But. If he's really into Toronto when he just do a longer term deal in Toronto. So if people that are saying, oh, he can do a one. And I don't think that's based on any information from him after everything. We've just said how hard it is to gather any information on. If there's any hesitancy wise even staying in Toronto in the first place. So that's why I'm fifty five the other way. I'm going to flip that back at you though. San Antonio eventually, gave up and traded on because they were so one hundred thousand percent convinced that he was getting up in LA with this next contract. Then he goes to Toronto has a really good experience. But if he ends up staying in Toronto, then I think retroactively we have to go back and really wonder what the fuck happened in San Antonio, because I still haven't heard the whole story, I've heard pieces of the story. I know chunks of it. But it feels like something deeper was going on there for him to leave that situation in less like the whole pops. Oh, grade San Antonio. So great. It's so wonderful. Unless that's all media bullshit. And we don't know the real story with what goes on there. And maybe that's part of it. Maybe pops not as great as we all seem to think I don't know. I don't know what to think. That one's a tough one for me to go down that road when all the other guys seem to love pop. And there's always going to be like, there's always guys that roll through Bella checks camp that go. Oh, this isn't for me. This whole patriots way is maybe more thing like I'm not. I'm not feeling this but you know when when you look at what Popovich is done. I don't know. I mean, it would be weird that the MO that's always the other part about the qui- thing, that's always, so amazing is that we're looking at this NBA world of disgruntled superstar, and then it was just like you know, who gets it, though. Kawai. You never do this coup why. And then in just a tornado blow torch approach to it all is like, I'm not even playing for you guys like I'm out. And you know, it's really incredible though. A big part of what was driving him was. If you believe the written reports and the spoken reports that he just felt like no matter how well he didn't in San Antonio. He was going to be anonymous and a lot of that came from that two thousand seventeen season where it was him. Verse Westbrook verse hardened for the MVP and collided win in the, the feeling coming out of that allegedly was, I, I'm just never going to be a big deal if I play here and I need to go to a bigger market, and it really did seem like that was one of the things that drove him from leaving San Antonio. Now you fast forward to right now. He really is one of the most interesting guys the league. He is a household. They've he had. He's at a totally different level of respect. Both in the league Kostoric league legacy wise. I think he's the best part of the week. You could argue that whole gamble worked out for him about, as well as anything as worked out for all of it the way he handled it the team that he ended up landing on the fact that gave it a chance. And now the position he's in pretty great. They do it all worked out. This is a ten out of ten for where he was a year and a half ago. And it makes me wonder if other players noticed that and are going to think, you know, if this becomes now a barometer for in their heads. Well, when collided this, it worked out, and here's what happened. Maybe this just leads to more of that. I don't know. I'm rambling, no. But it's it's worth bringing up the warning is, oh, by the way, just go ahead and win a title though. You know of the. The best part, you have to have to be the number one player in the NBA and you have to win a title, you do those two things. Then everyone is cool with you. Because if other guys try to do it in this way, where it's I'm just gonna kinda shut this whole thing down. And I know there's people still believe, hey, he was hurt. They misdiagnosed it. He didn't trust him. Screw the Spurs on and on and on. I don't know. I'm just not. I can't get over the fact that there's still the time that I had heard that he would show up, and he would work out and he played to onto the older guys in the rest of the guys be watching and being like what is going on here, and he's like I'm out. But then it's okay he, he was mad about the sneaker deal, and that they didn't give them a signature shoe, and you're like your whole deal is, is that you are anonymous okay like it's not Nike's fault. It's not a twelve year olds fault that doesn't even want to buy your shoe, because you don't talk you don't say anything, so then you go to Toronto and you sign with new balance problems solved that doesn't really make a ton of sense, even though the new balance thing has actually been great. I think new balance has done an awesome job of that, all admit Bill. There's a couple of pairs I've gone. I does. Well, yeah. Revelation six one seven what's up? But I don't I I wouldn't I wouldn't start if I'm another player, I wouldn't be like, hey, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm a polka. Why we shut it down. Just shut it down for my way out, and we'll take it from there. Because if you lose in the second round and you're going to be more vocal guy. That's the other thing when I doesn't talk, there's less things for us to be upset about, you know, if somebody's talking all of the time, it's like you know, I really liked this player ninety percent of the time. But he said this one thing and now I hate him forever. Mean that's just how we work. It's how it works for guys in our business. So Colli gave you actually know information. So you can even get that mad at anything. He was saying about everything as it was going down. So to mimic, this is impossible. Kyri tried to mimic it, and it didn't go. Well, I mean, he was doing it at on actually in earlier time mine than Kawhi, but this is not not really that Repco. I do think one last thing on the Spurs there notoriously. They never say anything to anybody in it's very Bella. Check in how they operate that stuff. They're pissed off about this quite thing. I think they've been pissed off for years. Stuff's floated out. I'm sure you've heard stuff. I've heard stuff for where they're just like this fucking guy quit on us last year. Like they do think that when they will never say publicly, they're never gonna they're never gonna really shit on him in a major way. But I do feel like you know they drafted the guy in two thousand eleven they taught him how to shoot. They put him in every possible position to succeed and whatever happened between them. They feel like he quit on them. And that thorough is going to feel that way. And that's just the way it is totally agree and confirm that there's people that feel like the Spurs slowly losing a team. You know, you'll hear a rumor about a team like I'll never forget like when the Sixers were trying to figure out how to get rid of Iverson, and it felt like Celtics are really close. Yeah. And you go, you know, if the Celtics giving you the best deal here, just go ahead and do it like, who cares? It's like now Philly Philly just couldn't stand. The idea of him being in a Celtics uniform coming back and playing in Philadelphia. That much. So you've gotta pull to get a trade him to the Western Conference like these teams that obsess over the idea that, you know, we gotta get especially when it's a bad team like we don't have to worry about going through him in the playoffs. But hey newsflash, not making the playoffs without this guy. So who cares does make the best trade? This is taking on a whole new world for the Spurs because it's like, yeah we traded him out of the conference. But now we're watching everything go his way that I've, I've heard exactly that, that this is kind of driving him crazy. Yeah. It hurts. Right. Because it wasn't just somebody, they drafted like you know, they really worked with him and together created this awesome player and ninety percent of that goes to him. But they he was also in the best possible situation learning from the best possible teammates. And when you come into the week and you have Tim Duncan for the first five years of your career, what's better than that manager, nobly and Popovich. So I do feel like you know, in the they've probably definitely felt betrayed but on the other hand, you know, it's a free country, and he I've felt like they misdiagnosed something I we I have more free agency takeaways for. We're gonna take a break. A finding address shirt that fits is hard collars, or too tight sleeves or too long something as always not right. Luckily ordering a custom fit shirt has never been easier. 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East coast time couple of things happen that we should just mention one is that there's reports now that is going to be the Lakers. So maybe not as crazy as we seem to think ten minutes ago, and then looks like the Lakers were able to dump their dudes on New Orleans to create a little bit more cap space. What does that be? Now, does that mean they can get a third bag sky? It seems like and I hate to try to be a cap expert in real time here. But it's it feels like there. Hi, this is the first one that I've seen from somebody, I trust. But there are seven hundred grand shore of the max slot, which is a big difference from where the worst versions of this twenty three million. And by the way, now everybody is demanding an apology for rob Pelinka. Mo- Wagner, mauve, honor, Wagner. Yeah. Please Camaro Jones and Isaac Banga to the wizards for a two thousand and with a two thousand twenty two second round pick. So they must have put money in there, too. I'm guessing. Right. That has to be like an five million dollars would be the only way that makes sense to me. Otherwise, why would the wizards help them? So now they have cap space, as you know, I'm rooting for Carita end up with the Lakers, I think would be the funniest outcome. Please, please. Please have that happen. Is that everybody's now say, okay, Lakers and clippers are both getting the meeting now. And now they can still do this with if you look at Kyrie's slot. He'd be just missing it by Miller, too. I, I mean I don't wanna do this right now because I'm sure all later but it it's significant enough. It's significant enough now to do this. But now it is kinda like hey Pelinka always knew what he was doing. Okay. Sure. Couple more fridge to take his RIC. Bucher postured. That Golden State could do the first ever delayed, supermac, sign and trade with K D. So here's how this would work, according to our from euchre. They signed k data the five-year max, so he makes more money. And part of that is a, let's please. Never talk about the fact again that you went out there until your achilles. Thanks could that never come up again? Cool, and then wait till December, and then trade it to it seem that has cap space, which, I guess they would create the cap space. Well ahead of time knowing that come December January whenever you could officially trade, this supermax guy, you, then just trade for the K D thing, this could even get more nefarious, where the other team could trade for maybe a guy Golden State lakes or sign a guy, Golden State lakes, and then kinda hold that guy in their team for two months and then flip them in the Katie thing. All the sounds crazy. But on the other hand, there's so much tampering and chicanery now in the NBA I can't rule it out. How does that seem to you? I'd heard a version of this, where it was kinda like a. Hey do the five year. We give you the money. So basically everything Bucur said, but, you know in a year. Allows you to kind of survey the landscape and you don't end up in New York in one of the New York City's by yourself. And it was almost like, maybe you'll change your mind and like us more than you'd be able to stick around, but that would be an unprecedented amount of faith for a player like Durant, where you'd go are you going to trust? If you go to the team that has your rights for four more years, once you get healthy again, they're just going to trade you because you wanna be traded. I is that that'd be in, you know what I mean? Like imagine sitting there going, yeah. Okay. I'll take all the money that's cool. We got this all worked out, ok. Guess? What? Guys, like I'm getting healthy. I don't wanna come back. I do want to go to the Knicks. They have a plan for trading for somebody or getting somebody in two thousand twenty in the summer. So that's what I wanna do. And then you have to just trust the Bob Myers ownership is like, okay. We will grant your wish even though we have at worst, the second best player on the contract. Still, yeah. That sounds farfetched. What sounds less far fetched as if they just degrade we'll trade you in January and we're getting this back, and we know this time, I can't imagine Adam sober would approve that, though as much as he looks the other way left. And right, these days, I feel like. That one would be too weird 'cause you'd have players on both teams wonder, you know, just basically waiting it out. I still feel like either. He stays with the warriors, or, or does the next thing, and I, I still like the idea of him on the Knicks. I think that makes sense. Another fridge to take way before we even have fridge the tampering is just gone. We make Erin head had had this whole theory, the Celtics system, GM a couple years ago that fridge this should be before the draft free agency now is before the draft. And we, you know, we Al Horford knows before the draft that he's leaving for a four year deal where we still don't know who the team is. And now the Celtics can proceed with their draft knowing that, if they trade, this Baynes contractor, the pick and go backwards that will create five million more in cap space, now they have a chance to Kemba Walker will. How do they know that none of these teams are supposed to be talking on July? So can we just say that free agency basically starts before the draft? Now. Is that fair? Okay. But you realize that this is all the technicality, the semantics of in agent on your behalf can can talk in except not even accept what they can they can hear an offer or not confirm the offer like this happens with us. Right. So at the end of an ESPN contract ninety days out from it ESPN can start to talk to. Me. And then after that it's supposed to be like forty five days or whatever it is. And then I started realizing like all of these other people that I worked with on the air, we're getting offers like a year ahead of time, knowing what they were doing and what the hell's going on here. Like, I'm I'm, I'm the idiot waiting around until forty five days to go and they go, oh, then you're an idiot, because your agent is allowed to at least talk on your behalf in could could discuss the parameters of a contract and a new place if you're interested in doing that. So basically, that's all this is in a tampering bitching to me is the most tired thing ever. It doesn't bother me. And seriously, the only people that bothers is the people that lose the better player. Like all of you guys do it all of the teams do it all of the teams find out. But then when they lose one of their guys earlier than they thought they were supposed to then they start screaming tampering when there is guilty of doing the exact same thing to varying degrees, with some teams that's fine. But I don't tampering does not bother me complaining about it. Does. I'm pro tampering. And I liked having free agency before the draft. And now I think this is the best both worlds and you're right. What, what can stop? I don't know. Ricky Rubio's agent from hearing from Indiana. That, hey Ricky Rubio is agent. We're just telling you we're going to offer you this. The moment fridge is available. What do you think? That sounds great. We won't talk to anybody else and they could just kind of wink at each other until the date. I'm fine with it. Another thing that's changed. We mentioned K D earlier, I was never really sure that this would play out this way. But now it seems like it is we're gonna see Klay Thompson, and Kevin Durant. Get the max from whoever probably the warriors. Maybe somebody else at least with Durant with Klay. It seems like he's going back it had never really been put to the test and thank God. And then, especially after with boogie cousins last year where he was hurt. And he ends up settling for the one year and five million that seemed like a real cautionary tale, writer, Thomas. But I think. What we're learning is if you're a top twenty guy, you're getting the max, no matter what condition your body's in unless it's in like a, you know, unless it's like a Todd Gurley arthritis in the knees situation where you're just clearly heading toward the different phase of your career. I'm I gotta say, I'm I'm surprised because we've been conditioned. Oh man. You take that money, man. You never know. Never know like even when the brand was doing the one in once it was a and it is risky. But if he gets hurt, but now it doesn't seem to matter now. No, I think you're right. Because you gotta be a certain guy like with boogie when you're that guy what he wasn't a top twenty and then it wasn't was be fair here, it wasn't even just about the talent. It was how much of a fit is this guy because if you're a bad team, and you're bringing in boogied a bigger number than, hey, guess what? The face of our franchises boogie cousins, and he's gonna get mad the whole time because the team isn't that good. So actually be we can't do that. So I think his injury is is more specific. It's not even the injury. It's more about who he was. So, yeah, I mean that, that feel terrible. And I don't even think it is the cap space. You think if less teams had cap space, the golden stable say, well, you know, maybe we can shave off a few million here. They're, they're able to do it with curry, but curry wasn't Steph curry than when they did. I extension for him. And it wasn't you know what I mean? It wasn't like hey. There's right injury. And now you're not playing for a year. We know what it is. It's this guy's frigging ankles can't stay, you know, upright. Yeah, I, I remember when they signed him to that contract being really torn on whether I thought it was too much money or a great deal because it was just enough money that if he really got hurt and couldn't play it really would have hurt them because the cap at that point was thirty million less than it is now. But on the flip side, it was like, man, if they keep him healthy and that contract, you know, and that turned out to be one of the five would, if moments of this decade that really likes one the week is what if they weren't able to sign him to that cheap contract? They basically had him on the Russel Wilson rookie year Seahawks kinda level value for what they were getting. And it just allowed them to add their team another fridge. They take away. I we already knew this. But I think it's worth it again that if the Knicks just get shut out Brooklyn takes their spot. Here's a fridge destination, New York. It might be on recover cover for the James Dolan era. Because now we're talking. This is seven eight years of them, not even be able to get in the door with free agents, and I do believe that these players, especially the really good ones there. Online more. They're reading tweets listen to podcasts, the reading, blog post, whatever they they're just much more aware of what organizations and owners are competent and which ones are train wreck and I think this thing is potentially recoverable, you know, there there's a roadmap, where they might end up with Daniel Russell until bias, Harris, for instance, to get those are two of the best forty to forty five guys in the league, that's better than nothing. But there, there's also a map where they end up with either Kevin Durant who can't play for year or they just get shut out. And I think when you look at the stature the next like even the Lakers who have been just as incompetent this decade, but have still been able to pull off Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, they pulled off LeBron. They pulled off Anthony Davis like they've still kept their cachet the Knicks have lost all of their cachet at this point. And I don't know how they get it back without him. So on the team. What do you think? I feel like it's already happened though. You know, this whole thing was a tease, then what happened like of Durant were staying healthy were Han kyri going there. You know, what's, I don't know? But let you know what was that only? But explained the porzingas straight to me now knowing that they might not get anybody. I think they wanna present his out of there. It seems like it. Yeah. Well, they, I they dumped contracts, I mean think about what just happened than if that actually happens because, now on social media all the happening now is that. Oh my God. The clippers are going to get anybody in. Everybody's gonna end up on the Lakers like who is now going to the Lakers and social media by the time you've listened to this thing, just an added thing, I can't believe, like I try to understand the salary cap, I used to know what much better when I was younger, and then once they made the most recent changes through, you know, the sign and trade things always something to remember some of the trade restrictions being lessened. And then there's just the minutia that you really have to side to study the whole thing. But the number of people that are cap kind of guys that have gotten stuff wrong now in this Anthony Davis trade. And by the way, Davis, waved is four million dollar trade kicker. Well he made that up on Space Jam. What other explanation could there possibly be for Anthony Davis to go? I'm just gonna wave a free check for four million dollars. Because he made it up on Space Jam. Or, or rich. Paul took a discount on his commission. I think when, when Kyrie waved, his kicker to yours different though. I looked at all up again. Yeah, it wasn't. It was the trade woulda worked. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You kept the kicker there's no trade in all the players that the Celtics had, like they couldn't add any more pieces to the whole thing. Yeah. So it was a five million dollar kicker. But he was only eligible to receive like one point something of it because I, I looked at all up the other day it wasn't just a straight. Hey, I'm gonna wave to do everybody a favor. It was this. You're just like you said, it was the only way that they could pull the thing off. Yeah. This was more like out of his own benevolence. He's doing it which and players, they're not benevolent, especially players that have won a title yet. So yeah I'm suspicious as well. I will say this. Look, I am on the record. I feel really strongly about it, too. I think the Lakers gave up way too much for Davis. I think they paid one hundred fifty cents hundred sixty cents on the dollar. I think they overpaid. I don't think they were bidding against anybody else. I think he was coming there in a year anyway. And I think it was one of the craziest gambles team has taken. And if it doesn't work blanket just gets fired his and care with that said, you know why? They got Colli. I'm wrong. I'll admit it. I'll eat crow in the podcast if if that trade works out, and, you know, you're getting to, and now you have LeBron Davis and coli, then there's no matter picks you give up that they basically gave up every asset they had except for Kusa and you could say that's worth it. Because they ended up with those three if they don't get co why I still think the trades crazy insane overpay. But maybe they maybe they know something we don't know could rob Pelinka be that shrewd. Maybe he's pulled one over us. Maybe this is like see the only guy usual suspects like you spend the whole time talking about other teams are just mystified by all the stuff. And that Pelinka actually was the one guy that had the juice that he's yeah. The new. He's Omar apps at the end. He is. He's, he's verbal Kint usual suspects. His all of a sudden he's walking straight at the end. It's like oh, you don't have a limp. Oh my God. He lights up a dart starts walking down the strand. But I mean. What if amazing happening in real time as we're doing this by, like each each every five minutes, there's better news for the Lakers? I mean co is basically, they're trying to figure out what number he isn't social media. That's laris. And Griffin was probably like I'm just asking for everything because I know you have to do this anyway, and they're like you don't have any bidders like I don't care. Just be give me all of it. Yeah. I don't want Kouzmin. I didn't hate the trade as much as you did. When I started learning more about the pick swaps. I still didn't hate us as you did, because I still think there's a version of this Lakers thing or in a couple of years in this kind of my standard line with it. There's a version of it, we're all three of those players. You're like really, it's all, you know, none of those guys really did anything it's possible. That's the best. It's the best case scenario for the Lakers. Yeah, but yeah, all right. Couple more quick ones for fritzy takeaways. We learned that you might be able to bully somebody into trading it asset to you, which is currently what would Houston in der warriors doing with the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. They put the story out that how badly they wanna trade for Jimmy Butler, and that's their, their big move for free agency is going to be, we're gonna get Jimmy Butler and, and it all sounds great except for the part that they have no cap space in the only way they get you Butler is in Philly is stupid enough to lose this game of poker slash chicken with them and say, oh, you right. We could lose them. We, we'll take air court and great. And then and then they're done eight. All is it all falls apart? When you do the whole, well, he's going to leave anyway. And you go. All right. Where's he going, what team is it going to be the like soda off the Lakers have this backs cap space spot? You could say the Lakers could be a real threat in Houston could actually exercise this lever. Right. It'd be like look, he's going to go the Lakers. If you trade him here. At least you get air quarterback then I could see it. What I don't understand how the brazenness of a team just kind of saying, I'm taking the I'm taking this asset for you, unless you do this. And, and they have really nothing to stand on other than the threat. I don't get it. What was your take? I don't get it either. I don't get. Like we're sitting here talking about tampering a few moments ago. What is this? What is you your tweet? I thought was pretty spot on where, what was it again, because I'm your tweet? So I'm not going to recite it back by the but like if Elton brand could. Yeah, it was something like if I I don't understand why Philly has to even engage with Houston and files out. Brand out have a press conference, just say Houston. Fuck you. But I kind of wish they would do you know because if they do that, then Jimmy Butler is like, all right. Well Houston's out and nobody's been able to explain to me, the part that if he just leaves incense somewhere else. Well, okay. Well, we life moves on. We have cap space now. We'll figure it out. Why do I have to take? Eric Gordon PJ Tucker back when the in those guys are, you know, maybe don't wanna play in Philly after were like why do I have to do that? Why, why Houston telling me what I have to do your own team. We wanna sign Jimmy Butler. I okay so that let's let's start there if you're Philly, and even though I don't love everything with Jimmy watching them in the playoffs. He's really important to them, because he has that attitude. He's not afraid of anybody Simmons until further notice is a floater and Embiid is going to struggle in some possessions, as much as I love him. You know, I've said all of these things before Jimmy is that perimeter? I don't give a bleep guy, and you need that I think Philly really needs that still. Okay. And maybe it doesn't work out. I know there was still some issues the Br. Round thing and it really thought he was out of there, and then he comes back and whatever maybe Jimmy blows up again, but I still think for what Phillies trying to do here. He's important, so okay, let's cross off all of the elements of the story that don't like actually Philadelphia wants to keep them. Okay. So now I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to take back. Eric Gordon, who I went back and started looking at it like there are moments where I go. Wait a minute. Jimmy Butler is there as he got its people? Get three against Golden State like, yeah, he should. So, what's, what's the point of even like, what's the point of even doing this? So let's blitz delay the Jimmy Butler on Houston part of the story, but Gordon wasn't great in the playoffs. Now his the efficiency for a lot of the guys outside of the top two for Houston. We're pretty disappointing. So maybe that's why Daryl wants to trade all these guys because he actually thinks, like you know what? Airborne's not that great. But people keep talking about all the time the PJ Tucker stuff. He's he's eight and a half million. And PJ is you can't just look at the, the metrics on him. You've got to understand the whole part of it. But if you're Philly like why would you want to do that? And then on top of that, if you did a cappella thing, which. Doesn't make any sense with Philadelphia's roster on top everything, and that he's sixteen seventeen and a half eighteen and twenty million over the next four years. And you know you wonder how he would play in certain playoff matchups. None of the pieces come back, make any basketball sense. And then when Zach Lowe had the thing this week saying that Houston was offering up these pieces. Two different teams to add draft picks in some sort of sign and trade package for Butler. Why does Philadelphia want draft picks when they're trying to do this right now? Not that draft picks aren't worth anything but for them to go. Hey, cool, we got twelve and sixteen in two thousand twenty in two thousand twenty one that's not going according to their game plan. So there's just basketball stuff from Philadelphia side of this. We're I'm with you. I've not found one person that can convince me that Philadelphia would be interested in doing Houston this favor. And then on top of it Philly last year, they're like, we have these two players and beat as a top ten player Simmons's, an all-star our window is now and they go in, they trade. They sorry on Covington for, for Butler Sar isn't abso-. Sorry, sorry. That's actually a great nickname for him, though. Saria Jayme in Covington. And then they do this ridiculous to by science trade, which I thought sucked at the time now looks even worse, they basically, they traded all of their assets to make a run and didn't get out of the second round. So now they're going to reboot by getting future assets back the whole mindset of what they did last year was, like, look, the NBA is a weird league Embiid and Simmons. We don't know how long this is gonna last right now. We have these two really good guys two years from now. We might not a year from now, there might turn on each other and bead Mike at hurt all these things happen. Our window is now. We have a chance to win the title, by the way they were. Right. They just in my opinion, they, they the Harris trade. You know, a for everything they give up and that was probably not worth. It but they were right to think we have a chance to win the finals this year because they really could have. Now, they're in the situation, the four guys under contract. Can you name the four Philadelphia? Yeah. So Embiid Simmons is NS on-track now, Scott isn't under contract. Is he no damn this is going to be harder than I thought, I know Rettig isn't we know two biases and we know Bobin isn't a give you a hint peanuts. The bass player from three eleven. Now, it's I r Smith and Joan Bal. That's right. Zaire smith. That's right. Because he came back so they have their forty million right now. More than enough money to, to spend on Jimmy Butler, and Tobias Harris, or Jimmy Butler, and Chris Middleton, or Jimmy Butler, and whoever why would they want assets? This is everything they did was building toward last season in this season. Why would they want to go backwards and get future assets? It makes no sense to me. And if Butler leaves so be it. There's a lot of good free agents left, and if anything it would give them a chance to spend seventy sixty nine million bucks on maybe multiple free agents, that would fit in better, the team like, for instance, do you think Malcolm brogden would make sense on that team? He'd be I still think they need. And that's what scared me a little bit about their draft desire coming back hasn't been three point shooter dial who you can talk about the primer defense. But enlist I will get back to being the shooter that he was a couple years ago. Maybe he will. But it kind of scared me thinking you could have a version of three perimeter players playing here where none of them can shoe. And that's not what Philly needs it all with Embiid. But brogden is exactly what you're talking about. But some of the brogden prices were you go. Wait a minute. What's brogden gonna get twenty mil? Yeah. It's going to happen. It is going to happen any cap. He's gonna make twenty million a year. Yeah, that one would scary, but then the cap space. I mean, that's the thing that I hate so much about the NBA structure of all this stuff, and it kind of gets back to the Lakers thing. It's like can't we just make this easier can't we do with thing where it's like, hey, I don't have a hold, and I don't have to trade guys that I may not even want to trade and nobody actually wants a trade for so that now I technically have this much, but I can spend up to this. But then I can go backwards and sign these guys with the exception. And then my minimum deals like it's just seems obsessive to it. Just it's more complicated than it needs to be. Although I'm not going to spend the weekend trying to fix it myself with all the money they have they could easily go, you know, they get five guys they get Seth curry day could take a one year flare Danny green or to your fire. They could do. Kelly Oubre as a restricted phrase. I mean there's, there's forty guys I don't understand why they would want like Houston's two thousand and twenty two protected first round pick. It's ludicrous. Now, if you flip Butler into Eric Gordon, impeach Tucker. And then you still had enough cap space for another, another marquee free agent. I don't know that feels like. You just back to where you were twelve months ago and with the with the with the kick in the balls. That false was a real asset twelve months ago, and now he's zero and you got nothing for mother and then protected two thousand twenty two pick. Okay. But all the things you laid out that's great in, in theory, but you have to know I mean, you have to know if you're all brand, if you were going to do this kind of thing and bring back those pieces go, you know what? I actually like PJ and I liked it. Eric Gordon provides shooting in this thing, but I'm wondering if Darryl thinks these guys are overrated after a playoff run that still didn't end where they thought it was going to end. But the way PJ talk Tucker's talked about the way Eric, Gordon or talked about. I bet you Daryl's gone. A lot of the metrics. Tell us these guys really aren't even a good. So guys if I was like, hey man, you should hire nephew. Kyle. She's take them all. Social media. So you'd be hey I can't I follow him on Twitter. That's the no you. I'm Kyle no way. I'd give that guy whatever he needs I'd let him. But if I was just brazenly trying to convince you know, you should actually take him wouldn't. You think something was up because I feel this way about the Eric Gordon PJ Tucker the no hair corner. Be great for you. You should you should get them. We'll flip Butler and be air Gordon. Be great for you. Like, well, why don't you want him if he's going to be so great? I don't get the MBA tents we're taking one more break. Hey, let's talk about the rewatch Ables nine hundred ninety nine it is veiled, only on luminary the sex, some of the most iconic movies from nine hundred ninety nine when she was an all time, great year and film. 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And I think maybe he thinks other people are stupid, and I don't know that I can really blame him for the way pulled off the James harden thing that there might be part of me that thinks, like, whatever, like, I'm just going to get somebody awesome for not many pieces again. Like, why are you guys? Why do you have a problem with that? And then the way the Chris Paul thing worked out. No one had that, you know, no one called that it was like, wait a minute. Chris Paul's do always opting in and then forcing his way out, that's different. And then Daryl's is given up these pieces where it's like man, I just got Chris Paul. And for anybody that knocks this and all the turmoil reported real or not, and all the different versions of this. I, I still think it's worth reminding people all the time this thing still almost work folks is two years ago that team was winning a title if they could close it out in Yasser seven, but when I went back and looked at go. Why is it feel like Darryl's always in on every guy, and you can make the case that, like there's plenty of Knicks rumors that have been wrong, and there's Lakers rumors that have been wrong over the years in? When I think about the rockets, though the rockets seemed to do it in a specially different more aggressive brand. So I'm gonna just go over to cite a couple of things. This is from Sam amick, two thousand eighteen headline, all in on LeBron. The rockets, the racket, the Ryan, remember that. Okay. Okay. Two thousand fourteen Howard Beck. Leach report headline, quote, rockets will make major push for James, Mark Stein and ESPN two thousand fourteen backed up that same report two thousand fourteen bleach report again, Howard Beck. The headline was rockets poised and make a Texas size offer to LeBron or mellow. Okay. Mark Stein has been two thousand fourteen. Sources say rockets are heavily engaged with Chris Bosh that almost happened, right? And I read that went back and read that story. There were like LeBron ops out, and then he bounces for Miami that, that Houston really likes her chances. This story was from two thousand seventeen it was a CBS headline that took a Brian Windhorst hit on sportscenter and turn it into this headline, rockets have sights set on Paul George after landing. Chris Paul the same go all the way back to the Dwight Howard stuff that would about Durant Durant in two thousand sixteen that was another one so sleep on Durant with the rackets. They have. And you can make fun of the headlines, aggregate has all these different things. But I went back and read these stories I was doing this last night. The rockets do this thing were they make these bold pronouncements is if I wonder sometimes if the front office feels like this is just part of the job description. Let's make sure everybody knows that we are in on everything. Even if we have no chance. And I'm not saying that's this really what's happening here with Butler, but it's following a pattern that we get almost every single year with the most appealing players were. It's like oh, the rockets are really aggressive. The rockets are really making a push look at the rockets always trying to figure out some kind of angle here. When other times other headlines here promising going there, you know, BrahMos neonates, Houston, the mellow thing, it was going to be Chicago wasn't New York. But mellows like dude. I'll just take that fifty. Now. Worry about it later, the Paul George stuff two years ago, I'd I'd forgotten that one. So I don't know. It's just something to think about. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't rule out them getting Jimmy Butler may maybe they know more than we know about this. I just find it hard to believe. That if I'm Philly and I'm just looking at this rationally, why would I trade Jimmy Butler to one of the spider six other teams that can win the title and get an inferior trade package back because I'm being told while you're gonna lose them anyway. And I just wanted to whom I lose him to do you think Jimmy Butler says do this trade to the rockets or I'm gonna sign with the Lakers, and you're really not getting anything that would make more sense. Right. He's not signing with the Knicks. Like he's not he's not going to Dallas, like hit that guy. The guys can be thirty one next year. He wants to play for a championship contender right now. So he can play chicken all at once. But the, the Sixers know that deep down. Okay. That is fair. All right. So now if he's threatening them with something, I'm going somewhere else, then that's different. But I've never heard anything of Philly, not wanting Butler, so you know that factor I can't really kick into this whole thing, but let's also ask this basketball question. Is this even smart for Houston? What would you sit in the front office off season, and go, okay, what do we need to do here? All right. Is there any way we can add one more difficult, heavy ice? Oh guy. Like, yeah. Jimmy Butler is gonna. And by the way, I also you're close Houston. The window is open. I mean forget the recency bias of all these different headlines with each signing now putting that team at the top of the whole thing in the history of the eighty trade now being like a Lakers, clearly, the favorite and you're like, well, I get the betting angle of that, at least in the moment, but come on. Why would you still if you're Houston, do you think you'd rather take another shot at it with this group knowing that Golden State is an ear way anymore? I would one hundred percent try to keep the nucleus intact over rolling the dice with, with Jimmy Butler and just having three guys no depth. And I don't like the fit of him in those two guys together. I think he you're talking about if the chemistry wasn't great last year. That is not. He's not one of my top draft picks to bring into chemistry chemistry struggling locker room. I feel like they have other moves and also. You know what would it be? It would be a five year, signing trade. Right. So now you're just. Now, you have him and Chris Paul, for the next three years and harden. And if that doesn't work out. What do you do? What's your next move? You have no other move your, that's your. So I, I would just rather run it back, try to fix whatever chemistry issues. We have in, if I'm in the whatever in the front office and try to add to it because I think there's a lot of good fragrances shared I think they have a chance to get at least one other guy in a situation like that brook, Lopez one for three and a half million last year with Milwaukee like teams are going to want guys are gonna wanna play for a contender. I really wonder what the timing of this, you know, Houston was in the news for a solid week about how bad their chemistry was and Hardin imp- and Paul. And they're feuding and what's not true within league circles. There was a lot of buzz about Houston's do owner being a kind of a wild card. Classic new owner syndrome. You've heard by era, new honor syndrome. Right. The guy went an owner buys a team. In that first year, they're just completely off the reservation. They come in. I wrote a Nate other. Yeah. They've, they've made all their money. They bene- success everywhere. They've been and they think they're just gonna walk into an obey team. What they're doing? There's been a lot of buzz on who have you heard some of the for Totta stories the way he handled the Dan, Tony thing was weird. And yeah, when you tell a coach, all your systems are out. I mean, if I thought I was reading Jeff best Delic loved pieces all year long and yeah, it's like now out. Yeah, he's gone. So anyway, I, I do wonder the timing of it was to deflect some of the other stuff, and it works because then for two days, we had Butler to Houston, but I still don't understand. Would Phillies impetus will be anyway. Two more two more takeaways than than I'm done with this whole thing. And you might have one to I really think Portland. And denver. Could become the favorites in the west with one big move. And with Denver. I think it's a free agent. And and I think it's a scoring forward. I think it's one more guy who can create his own shot on top of everything else, they have in this young nucleus, savitz, Tobias Harris that keep benching it's somebody like that, if they could add that figure out a way to convince Millsap to come back. I really think that, that's maybe the most dangerous team in the west next season if unless the Lakers can add that third free agent. And then Portland's the other one Portland has some trade pieces. Do you wanna do your information Simmons thing? That just the reports I'm getting out back on Anthony Simon's are through the roof and that, it's, it's not talent. It's none of that. It's just if he puts together, he's going to be a monster. So they have okay you'd stay in playing sounds really aggressive. But I wouldn't share it unless the guy that told me that has been right. Almost all the time on players. Yet, I've heard similar buzz with just them being really, really delighted without worked out. So they have him Zach Collins, who I like that necessarily little who people feel like they stole in the mid twenties, and they have expiring contracts. They have Meyers Leonard, they have they have they traded for the bays Mark contract. And then they have mohawk less. They have the ability to basically put together any trade-. They want over the next six to seven months, and, you know, it could be from. Hey cleveland. Here's here's some expiring for Kevin love and we'll throw in year little or whatever it could be something low like that. Or it could be something more ambitious. It could be them going after, you know, a top twenty five guy. But I do think Portland's going to do something big. Have you heard anything about that? I don't know that it's I don't know. I don't know what it is right now. I've only heard, you know, the person that was high in Simon's as the person who was telling me the first time they're hearing about what CJ McCollum was doing there, like this guy's nuts. He's going to be a stud. And it's like, yeah, no, I really liked him. No, no shut up now he's going to be awesome. And so. Yeah, same stuff. I'm here and Simon, but Simon is going to get out there and play which is easier said than done with those twos in the back court. And if he were really, you know, sometimes I'll push back on it'd be like, if he was really that insane. When you wouldn't Portland found some minutes for him at some point, you know, and you know, that's, that's just me doing kind of my routine of, like, wait a minute, before I get carried away with this thing, and share it on a highly rated podcast. But Zac Collins I like law that you and I are in agreement there. But I I've got to see a little bit more now this year. You know, I've gotta find like I get see you be able to fight a little bit more out there on the court. So then you add all those pieces up together like who is it who? 'cause there's always the next pissed off star like it's happening in six months. I don't know who it is right now. But it's, it's always, it's always going to be like, you couldn't it would never be smart to say. Oh, no. Actually everybody's really happy now in the NBA again every top players totally comfortable his current situation. Somebody's going to get really mad really soon somewhere through the beginning of next season. And maybe they have enough pieces of load up on it, but it's, it's much better than everybody demanding that they break up their backwards. So I would have said Bill, but I think the wizards have done a nice job of being like can everybody stop at the Brad Beal stuff for trading him this one of the best fifteen assets in the league, please stop? We are not trading him. We want to build around Bradley Beal on the other hand, the blazers could overwhelm them with Bradley Beal offer and put put together a Lillard McCollum Beal. Triaud car that would be, you know, shades of Mitch Richmond. And Tim Hardaway and Chris Mullin way back in the day. That'd be amazing. They could also you know, I I keep coming back to Kevin love, 'cause I think that's somebody, they could get without giving up that much. And I think it makes sense for Cleveland to maybe get out of that contract and you get an asset back for some expiring. And you just kind of move on. But I of as you said, four months from now there could be somebody out of nowhere, that just like, oh, that guy's unhappy Paul George. She wants outta. Okay. See what and then all of a sudden it's a thing Anthony Davis, like I don't even like these Space Jam edits. Yes. Brittany knowing you didn't leave. My you didn't need my good line. Clip Ron keeps wanted me to go to Sierra canyon and see his kid like this sucks. I go to Portland and then Denver has cap space and one of the best six players in the league and Jamal Murray, who I think is a nice candidate to maybe make a jump this season and become an all star. I like when guys get a lot of reps. He had a lot of playoff reps. Last thing I had for you. Sneaky best signings, I wanted to say this before we have free agency, just so it didn't seem like I was after the fact excited about something just for the hell of it. I think Russell is. Now underrated as a free agent signing, where do you stand on him Dangelo? Yeah. I don't know how many three how'd you get to underrated? How'd you get to underage like he's going to make his money? He's, he's not going to have to shave anything where where's he going to make his money? Are we sure is gonna make his money? I I'll give you an example. I mean, I guess if you frame it that way, I'm not I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. I just thought everybody thinks somebody who's going to figure it out. The Lakers just came up with a MAC slot. Basically, in an afternoon when no one's going to that would be ridiculous. That would be weird. If you went back to LA, I but what if the Knicks signed him for four years, one twenty and that, you know, the Knicks fans are in a complete panic at the Dolan thing we discussed earlier, they're not going to get anybody. And then what if the ngelo Russell is the big prize for them? I kind of feel like that's a win is one of the best thirty five players. The league admitted all star team last year. He's twenty three he can create his own shot. He's getting better for your soul your sold on them forever. Like this is who is going to be. I need to see for one year. I think it'd be better than he was this year. I think he could add to the free throw attempts were me a little bit. But I'm just thinking from the standpoint of it's a thirty team league. And let's say they spent all their money on Dangelo Russell and Tobias Harris in the next fans will be like great without reading. Kyran K day. We got these two guys. Instead, is it a bad thing to two of the best forty guys in the league? No, of course. I mean you frame it that way. I'm not as signed off on Daniel Russell's one of the word you have them in your thing top twenty. No, no. I have him. Let me see. But I've commit he insisted on this. I've said the whole time, it's great. It's an awesome story. Yes. He's twenty three. I actually liked him light sound like a guy. That's you know, didn't like him out of college. So now I want, I don't want to admit that he was really good this year. He was really good this year when a year where I didn't think it was going to happen because I thought he was a certain kind of player and after three years, usually when you're just kind of selfish and inefficient. That's kind of who you're going to be any. He found a way to be efficient with the whole thing, but I would just like to see it a little bit longer. That's all would you rather have him or Ben Simmons? Oh my God. Imagine this can this thing a year ago. Now. God, that'd be a good segment. Five questions that we never would have even bothered asking a year ago. Five five ridiculous questions. So I have I have Russell in the in the high thirties right now and like the thirty two thirty three ranch somewhere, and he's basically with Simmons. It's I- porzingus end Booker, head of them as younger guys who are gonna make a lot of money in order to do, and then Simmons, his about to make a lot of money. And then Russell who you know, I think it'd be somebody that potentially averages twenty four to twenty five on a decent team and and can finish games. And by all accounts was a great team. I don't know why. That's a bad thing end up with somebody like that based on what we've seen so far. Like the full display of it. I'd rather have Russell, which sounds crazy. But. To the Simmons thing needs to get better. It needs to get better fast than can't just be like, hey, you idiots twenty six eleven and us go. Okay. But we could do this game all season long because it's do I get to tweet at you when he goes for five points and takes four shots because both are going to happen. And if you're really good, the second one doesn't happen very often. Now they're sneaky Frazier signing looney. We both like what, what price for looney. Would officially make you. Okay. I like looney. But that's fucking stupid. What's the number? Fifteen a year for four so four for sixty year now mad at the at the team who signed looney. Yeah. I go come on. What if what if it was like a four for forty eight? The thing is, is at four forty eight makes sense than that means the prices for for sixty five. Right. 'cause that's that's how I always look at the end getting I could see four for sixty like look at Beverly how dumb the Beverly numbers got and let's not fall for the Scott Boras. Let me just leak out a number, and then everybody's like, oh, my gosh. I can't believe that guy hasn't made five hundred million dollars now because Scott Boras did an interview with the guy. Well, I guess he's gonna make five hundred million. Let's run with it, Beverly when he was on the Lakers. When we were just kind of doing this thing. Peace mailing, the Lakers roster together you like okay, well, you know, if you made this could you get him for five could you get him with six compared with somebody else? Then the numbers come out, and it's like, no screw that. Like I want three for forty plus yeah. And that is probably right. That's probably where he's going to be like, why would Patrick Beverley in this world with his improved shooting? Why would he be making under ten million dollars a year as a guy who also can defend the hell out of it? And you can kinda put him you know, the great thing about him, is you don't have to play miss attritional point guard, but he can cover for a smaller. Point guard if you're worried about it defensively, it does seem like there's going to be a thirty percent, new car bump this year with some of these guys where Malcolm Brogdon. It's like, wow eight million for four years for Malcolm Brockton. What let me tell you folks. It's possible. I remember writing a piece for grantland after the lockout ended, and I wrote an entire article about the two guard glut and how Aaron flow was gonna make like fifty million bucks or sign a contract, for that was like this is going to happen, folks. Be ready. And then I think it happened. But I think there's going to be twelve to fifteen guys like that this year where people are going to be going. Wow. Really, really that guy. It's going to happen. I like looney. I would probably not go more than like four for forty for him. But somebody will we both like Harrison Barnes. Yeah. Not a ton. But I feel like he's a guy that, you know, that's where Denver found a way to get creative with this thing. We were talking about the other night where what? Denver might do here. It might feel like preemptive, like let's just find something in add, this piece, it's not the same in the ironies that we're talking about who could Allah, who was with Denver. But when Golden State, did the ego dollar deal. They did it going. Hey down the road. We're not going to be able to add anybody like this. So let's just go ahead and add this guy, and it was very it wasn't. I think it was under the radar. It's like, oh, okay. Okay. All right. I guess I understand my Golden State did that like he's a really nice player. And by the way, in that situation far less on him more flexibility with what he could do. And it just like obviously, that thing couldn't have worked out better for a dollar. I feel like Denver might do something where we go. You know what we need is even if Murray who definitely as a question. Mark added some stuff to him. Right. In the beginning of that, Spurs series, we're going on man. Like, what is this guy going to be like this is disastrous? Oh, wait a minute. You had to kind of like that. Ben Simmons back and forth thing he settled us down. I think he said, I'll our concerns down for him. So you're right. Like he could be that big next. Bump category. But what you can't have then is if you're going to be really good and start talking about Denver is the favorites in the west like who's the third score and they may try to solve that. I don't know if the Harrison Barnes thing is, is doable for them he's not perfect. There's going to be moments where we disappears but he's probably dumped on too much because of how poorly shot at the end of sixteen when they blew the three one lead beloved teammates wish mentioned that I let me throw this guy for Denver because this is a guy really liked bug. Donovan. Donovan was when Bobby marks on. He was he was saying the Spurs out how really yet if the Spurs want him then he's clearly going to be hall of Famer I thought he was good last year. And I actually think he became a much better defender than it used to be like him mentioned looney mentioned brogden brook Lopez. I don't know what the ceiling is for him. I think Milwaukee be crazy not to try to lock him down. I heard Zach talking on a on his podcast last week about, you know, will they end up with two out of three of brogden Middleton and Lopez. I mean ideally, you'd want all three but if the luxury tax is just too prohibitive. I do feel like there's a chance to steal Lopez another guy like. And this is a guy to watch out for, for the Celtics, because they've liked him for a couple of years is Robin Lopez. And they have that four point eight million exemption. Could they figure out some chicanery with that, and try to squeeze him in for a year, but I, I still think I'd believe in Robin. Lopez. As a guy who complain. Apply. Officers in Nate men rotation. Beverly same thing Seth curry. I think has proven. He could be seventh eighth man on a decent team. Especially team. The needs shooting like Justin holiday. I think Danny green for one for shorter term the experience that brings being such a good guy. Like him, we've mentioned Rashad homes, Willie Cauley Stein, who the advanced metrics, people do not like I think he's intriguing. I don't know if he for contender, but maybe I somebody and then Rodney mcgruder. I think I've always come. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, the crude. As your day I still have no idea. What he's so mad. I you know what I love about brook, Lopez in all the free agent rumors because he just signed for ridiculously low number. When everybody's figuring out there thing, it'd be like, yeah, we're just throwing brook Lopez's for like five mil-. Yeah. It's going to be like sixteen mill starting way more like what just happened with Brooke Lopez? I can't believe happened salary wise McGruther couple of mailbag questions for we go. Nick, generous wants the Celtics to acquire nNcholas vucevic, and partner Mateta. Jalen Brown and create the new Celtics big three called vu, JJ. No few how you feel about that one food, JJ feels shirt, feels like yet. It raised me a bit of a sex in the city joke. Right. Do JJ. I it it's the worst joke. Anyone's emailed me this month. So I'm, I'm passing long creative. RDM from Calgary wants to know who is a better executive. Evaluative. Talent Jordan or LeBron. Who would you go with right now? Wow. Yeah, I have the same I I struggled as well. It's tough one. Jordan took Michael J Gilchrist over Bill. And I thought that one was obvious. That was in the moment going a, you know, way, I liked them. K J. I, I still feel like he got injured a couple of times and it's sent him back. You know what he wasn't a great athlete, and all the Kentucky fans that are going to hear that are going to think I'm wrong. No, you're wrong. He, he was he was he had the body of a sick athlete, but he actually wasn't disgraced athlete. And his shot was was the model a legal in, in half the states. Trent wants to know is there are more Knicks move than striking at in free agency and then trading for Blake Griffin indoor John wall broke down overpriced off injured all-stars slash former all stars, but names print, the jerseys today, he says, I could see the, the Blake Griffin thing would be an interesting get out of jail free card for the pistons, if they're like this guy's gonna break down the Knicks are just willing to take them. I really don't think the Knicks is bad as this is going right now and is bad as could end up doing because if we were doing the odds thing, and we're this musical chairs thing as of where we're at the end of this week here in June. They're left without a chair. I don't think they're gonna do the low. Let's trick. Everybody sign. Sign a guy that we know is a mistake just two peas everybody. I don't think they're going to do the win the press conference thing as bad as they're gonna win any press conferences, anyway, if they're not inviting people to the press conferences. Noah has it next thing, he says, what if Katie signs, a one, plus one max contract with the next summer, the wink, wink agreement that their tank inside another star pair with them for twenty twenty so they do that. And then Katie says, screw an ops out and goes across the bridge insides with the nets, and then he asked does Dolan that deserve this. I was wondering why you read it, and then I realized why at the end like basically that guy just came up with an even worse case scenario that's not going to happen. But he was like, how can I make it even worse for the Knicks? And he wins Carl Foresman wanted what had asked both of us says, is there any way ballot check would have given out Horford for years. Danny Ainge wasn't going to give him the well, he would have done for, but not for the numbers that are being floated around so the easy answers that no Bill Bill would have been like. Chris has Chris from Seattle has the thing for you. Because you've mentioned a couple of times that you don't think. Clutch. Likes Boston, by the way, you just really didn't want that. Bella check impersonation at all. Do you undo it again? I was focused on the next Email. I got it. I I give it I don't even know if you deserve it. Now one more time. Come on. Well, you know. Is not taking a lot of shots the games. And you know. Your sister. She she tweets a lot. So. Just going to go another direction. As really good. I predict this disobey new thing for us. The Belcher character, this could replace where stir ever. We dare for we were going to do adult movie reviews in ballot. Check voice on on our radio show. But it didn't isn't gonna prove we after it's approved here. Chris from Seattle says, how you keep talking about clutch hating Boston. He thinks you have to rectify it. You walk into their offices. One day, just start screaming, you'd think you'd better the day. I just watched the town again. I just watched it last night. I wondered last night a last night. So I almost tweeted about it. But as a writer, I didn't wanna fend, any other writers yet, and I thought, is it a bit of a leap where he was like they threw bottles at you. When he's when afflicts talking to the girl, and I really, I really liked that girl. Now, I would put Blake lively Boston the town. Blake lively, as like my dream team of girls that I'm not gonna date. But you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, but when she's telling Ben Affleck, these she walked through this part to her apartment, but it was like kind of a rougher part of town, and he's like, well, they do they threw bottles at you. You do you remember what they looked like and then all of a sudden he goes over. He sees Renner. He goes, I'm gonna ask you to do something, we're gonna hurt people. And you can't ask me any questions about it. And then he and Renner put on the hockey mask, and they get the apartment right of the guys that were throwing the glass bottles at his new girlfriend. That was that a leap story wise. No, I was I was in one hundred percent. I think in Charlestown, everybody have lived there for a long time. Everybody does everything that's going on at all times there. I totally you totally bought in, you would know is okay is that movie getting better is because I think the departed there'd be times where I go. I don't know. I don't know. But, like I'll watch I'm starting to appreciate the town more and more all the time. So I love the town when it came out. And I thought it was a hall of fame boss move immediately then it wasn't on for a while. And now it's on again. And I keep watching it. It's, it's a great Affleck. He's in shape. This is oh, he looks so good in it. He's basically Chucky from goodwill, hunting now, grown up as a Bank robber who moved to Charlestown. It has a new set of friends. I, I gotta say Renner blows me away that movie. That is one of the best angry Masol's that have ever been portrayed on film, if not the top. But definitely like in the discussion I. I can't believe how good he is because he's not from here. No Renner renters is just a 'nother level. Like I think is so good. And everything did try to say Hello to him at a party years and years ago. He was not shutting down. Yeah. I was like, are you from Boston, because you just you just you might have been prepping for the town when I went to say Hello to him. But it was it was like a, a party. So there wasn't like anybody that was in there that should have been in there, but did not go well and renters incredible. And because you just you're like holy, like I think that guy's yelled at me at different times when I lived in Austin, like does having flashbacks. Yeah. That's the guy in the bar at one o'clock in the morning who just has a look in his eye. And you just kinda know like don't even come within five feet of bumping into that guy. Right. Like you say offered rhyme. A beer he's going to complain been ready to roll. So are you saying you like it better? Because by the way, the north end scene is amazing. They do a great show. I was gonna say that, that to me, if it's so funny, brought this up. I was really. Thinking about whether it was rewatch Ables where the last night, because it drags in a couple of spots, and it has my big nitpick would be like that lasts shootout at Fenway, like, you know, dudes are getting murdered left and right. And I'm supposed to be rooting for Ben Affleck to get away. It's like, oh well he did leave. He did leave everybody that ice skating. Rink. That was gone. All right. So I guess it's fine. It's like, well what about the ten the ten families who don't have a dad because they just wiped out like everybody in the Fenway park's in? That would be the one nitpick. Yeah. And then, you know, when Renner ends up over it like Rooney's place, the baseball tavern, and you're just going like, are you going into the baseball tavern right now? And it was like that shootout scene by the McDonald's that Yang. Is there any more right now? That's gone. That's gone because they ended up putting all these really nice high rises. And that's if I'd stained being town that would have been my spot. Like, yeah, I get a sick high-rise in Kenmore, now filmed, that old sullies end, new so is at that place in, in that movie, did, they really when ham goes to see Blake lively that's at new sullies John Nance. I love that scene. Right up to the part where she's gonna get busted because I'm with you. Because I love Radley Blake live. We took an amazing amount of shit for that movie. And I defend her, I think she's unbelievable. Yeah, it was like the dream girl I wanted to run into it one fifteen in the morning and then you find out like a week later that she has a small kid, and you gotta figure out, you know, all right now, what do I do? I searched for that go for like seven years. And I remember. Already prepping like when I was going to bring her back to the vineyard in my mom was going to be like, are you serious? And like, don't even talk about don't, don't you judge me? We get along it works like what? No, no. You can't bring her back to the vineyard house anymore. That'd be like, well, I'm sorry, but she's coming in. So as your brother and Wayne t meet him I do think they did a really good job of, like throwing in a ton of extra Boston stuff that seemed unnecessary, but also made it awesome at the same time and not a helicopter shots overhead helicopter, which ended years on top everything else, like all I was also drafted by the Bruins. And then I got hooked on Oxy and then it was like man, and then as much I love ham, and I loved him even more when you do that podcast with him, and he talked about being famous later in life, and how that actually makes you like more adjusted and it was such an awesome interview. But ham does have that one line. Whereas like you're not over at the stock market role in Korda's. You're like, oh, dude. Somebody in the room has to go. John, you're not you're not going to do that line because. It just you can't do the accent. So we're sorry. Yeah. He's, here's some good moments though in that movie. And I agree, we want to warm up. Well, because I feel like that should have been a Boston guy. Like that actually should have been somebody who wasn't from Charlestown. But he was from like, you know, Southie or there was some sort of ravaris back than it's just like he was the only guy who didn't have an accent. So I couldn't really figure that. But at least you didn't try to do on the whole who did thousand crucial to remind the north end Saint is really. That's a that's just an unbelievable. Ten minutes that car chases. Unbelievable. Right. And then when, and then I think this is the Aflac stuff to where like he just gets it where when they get out, and they have the, they're in the Jeep Cherokee after they get rid of the van, and they're dumping the hair all over, and they're like, elva DNA in Charlestown. And then there's a cop who's on detail. And he's sitting in his cruiser looks way he looks away, and you're like food. You just nailed it that was perfect. But how about it's really good. When the drivers getting interrogated, who is the guy that's sitting in the room with him. He can't be an actor, right? John, they filmed affect foam though. He grabbed a lot. Of locals for both that one in for gone, baby gone. Like he was pretty adamant about that. But he's right. Because when people try to do the accent, and they can't do it it. I don't maybe people outside the area. Don't pick up on it or don't realize how bad it is. But Walberg will namedrop when I interviewed him about the marathon movie, I go, what your rule on the accent? He's like I'm very clear about it if you can do it, you can do it. If you can't, you just get to talk like a regular person because I'm not having it and that should be the rule yet. I do feel like the last twelve years. There's been a renaissance for the correct accent either. It's been good. Or you don't try blown away had never blown away like nineteen ninety four J bad. There's a bad moments in that one quiz show. It's rough spots quiz shows quiz shows, one of the ones that drives me the most crazy. So you're thinking. It sounds like you're thinking you and Chris Ryan doing a rewatch Ables for the town. Yeah. I wanna watch it again. I, I think I liked it at first because I. Effected a like it. And just like you said, like I bought it on, I tunes, and then I didn't throw it on all the time. And that's crazy. Yeah, it was. I was on it. And I watched like part of it. And then last night, I was always prepping for the podcast. I just threw it on again and said, I'm in, and I appreciate it more. Now you're right. Afflicts athletes. Awesome. And I mean, people can say whatever he's just doing the same thing. I don't care do it more the town now. He's he has five really great performances over the last twenty five years, that are just like I'll just defend them to death. Him in him in gone, girl is I was just gonna say gone grass possible person who could have been in that row. He's great in that movie. I will not argue it he is so good in that role. Because if you haven't read the book, and you don't know anything about that movie. And I'm sure there are people listening right now where you go. Okay. So I'll do a little spoiler. But he does an incredible job with that character of allowing there to be a little bit of doubt the way, I plays it thing like somebody else could do that character. And be like guys a good actor. And he did it straight the whole time through like Aflac nails, this, let me give you a little lingering doubt, here is an audience member of where my head actually may have been with this whole thing. Yeah. Well, we'll do that it you let the let, let the with the people tell us, if they want the town, rewatch was, but I the new, it's also I think we're, I think it's the ten year anniversary of it. You're supposed to two thousand nine movies, so it made that we will do it in August. Supposed to be able to escape backwards. Really the accents are really great. All right. We're gonna go do you have anything to plug? You can check out the live from Manhattan beach podcast, that Bill was very. Oh, yeah. So he cowherd, an either three of us in shark's cove. A nice little sports bar, right? Manhattan beach boulevard right near my house was incredible. And we came down sold out shows, you can check that one out. The russillo show pod on ESPN. We got a dual threat coming out this week too. Chris, and I talked about a pod. Do you want to be involved or you want me to solo that one? She needs a podcast. She'd be awesome. You should you should get her on the whole. I don't think I have. I hope I've never pitched that to you, 'cause I wouldn't do it. If somebody was my friend who wanted to podcast. I've had a few people reach out, and I've never pitched it. She should have a podcast. She'd be awesome at it, we I think we bring her on, and we just do the life of Chryssa. Yeah. We just do one of those like two hour. It just gets really deep. I think that's where we go with that one. Do you want me to be on it? Or is it better with her? I think it's better with me off of it. Okay. But I was doing and she wants to do I will let her pick. Yeah. Okay. We'll pick you'll take the pick personally, if she says, now let's keep Ryan off this until, like what she's going to want. Me on it. Yeah. I guarantee it, but we'll give her the choice. Okay. All right. We're still low. Next time we talk, the NBA access will have shifted that will be next week at some point, and I will talk to you, then it's gonna be awesome. Can wait. All right, thanks. The russillo. Thanks to the zone. Don't forget to go to dot com. You can get there in time to watch a couple of fights this weekend. Thanks. The proper cloth ordering a custom fit shirt has never been easier. 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Boston Back?

Highly Questionable

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Boston Back?

"Yeah. Welcome again to highly questionable, this rusty Brown jacket in person is Dominique Foxworth used to play in the NFL now. He just gas bags on television. What do you like gas bag about today? Dominy. Well, a former NBA player who was famous for pooping and shoes. Now pooping on hall of famers. All right. I live. Would gain by worker, maybe things favorites in these is that all is that all you got Celtics for all of those asset, you're gonna get all star Kemba Walker that feels like settling all over the place. Because that team in order to be a favourite, needs Brown and Tatum to be better than Kemba Walker. Now he might help them become that. But when I Thomas was leading that team it was about playing Kemba Walker likes to play, this team will only be as good as the improvement of its too young players, he can help. But I think centre would help their improvement even more than he would. Yeah. I think they could be the favorites in east, but it won't be because they added Kimball Walker. Unless his locker room presence is such that it can develop those wings like you were talking on you left out another name, Gordon Hayward. It's possible that is two year recovery from the catastrophic injury that he had. So you can get Gordon Hayward. Atas peak, you can get Tatum in Brown to play like the all stars that they should be, and maybe Kimba Walker can play the five then they'd be favorites. Well, the Celtic players are going to be very happy about these for one reason he's no carry. Got enough. That's right. That's all it needs to be not. Kyri. Who should be more offended by Ernest counters Goldman's Yang or Julius Randle, its ion and it's also not Ernest Kanter, Ernest Kanter is somebody totally different. Let's check in with the Colin cowherd show. But don't do that too much. There's a better radio. Show out there hosted by me every day in the same time slot. But here we go with inas Kanter, not aren't as saying. The Zion Williamson is over hyped. So I heard a terrible thing. I love sign Williams. Okay. He can pass. He's biggie strong. I think he's got a magnetism you think he's overrated. Say it, you can say it. Okay, so. I don't feel like I feel like he's Julius Randle with hops. He's Julius Randle with. That's the way you're not the first person who said this some players like skip to say, but, you know, me, you know, I'm not scared to say anything. So Julius Randle, but more vertical. Yes, this, how would you defend him? I will just defend probably just let let him shoot. Yeah. I mean his cancer is definitely not afraid to say anything. He's been in a dispute with his home government of Turkey for quite some time. So I can understand that he's not afraid to say anything, but he also said something that's really dumb in quite insulting. I think the Julius Randle if anybody because you're saying that he's over hyped, and then you compare them to a guy like Julius Randle who twenty and ten in the NBA last year. It's really disrespectful to Julius Randle. And he's taking a shot. I Williamson who no one in the world knows that you just Cantor's name except for us. I on Williams is already better than cantor without even playing a game in the NBA. Okay. But Julius Randle with hop. Sounds amazing and sounds like somebody, I would take with the first pick in the draft. Because. Julius Randle shot fifty two percent last year was really good and pointed out that he went from forty five on Kanter now that is not much of an accomplishment, because most people go for forty five on Kanter and his defense is usually what he just said, they're just let him shoot. But he didn't actually score those forty five on in his canter Julius Randle. I understand why he was insulted by this. But is the Dallas seems like the same analysis. Get from someone who doesn't know anything about basketball, some gas bag analysts who sits behind a desk, not someone who actually plays in the game and understands that his ability to affect the game on defense ability to handle the ball and pass their thanks that Lehman may not pick up, but you would expect the NBA veteran, we'll be able to watch this and say, no, this is special. This is more than just Julius. Randle was hops. This is LeBron esque there. I say, well, he's liberal right? Yeah. This drawing dog. Lebron with a stronger growing Diggle hint. I don't know how he would know them. I've got a lot of questions. He signing bougie goes into a one year deal with backup plan for dynamics free agency. Get started. And we're already talking about the embarrassing backup plans for the next that allow us to again laugh at the Knicks. Because it's looking increasingly probable that if New York does get the free agents, it's going to be Brooklyn, and then the Knicks are going to be stuck in one of these one year scenarios where they're giving boogie cousins, a whole bunch of money. I think what has to happen here for all of us, the mecca the mecca of basketball as they tell us has to be a laughing stock again. And the Knicks have to spent another decade of relevance, doing things like this, the sad part about this. They did land good pick for zingers and they could be pairing up porzingas with RJ bear right now. I'm building for the future, but no. They sit for zinc is packing because they are creating kept space, so they could bring in the big free agent signing that we all thought was going to change their franchise, a one year deal. With boogie cousins. No. It's not a good back-up plan. It's a panic. Said it's disappointing. It's desperate. I don't even like the Knicks and I'm disappointed. It should come with the left track. Well, these great idea for the Knicks. If they wanna town. Are Uber adding us and we'll Williams, right? The ducks magpie Scotty beeping, and then he's rug man. This is from the no chill podcast by father subscribes downloads. He rates and reviews. Lou Williams famous for having in Toronto, a girlfriend who also had a girlfriend in both of them were his girlfriend doesn't mind telling you what he thinks and listen to this. I'm starting to hate everyone in the nineties, that played basketball that whole group because they just think they don't stay like you know, you got Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman both six seven both way to ten talking about stop somebody into days game. Six seven to ten like you are a little guard in today's game you guys are little guys that every ten years the game that they have no idea about evolution. They don't take into loose. I had always have these debates with my friends. I was like Roquette. You imagine dropping LeBron seventy five just LeBron now in seventy five I was like, bro. He went fifteen championships like dropping superman. Metropolis. Today's athletes are bigger, stronger and faster across the board. Kevin Durant, someone who played like him did not exist back in the day of Pippen and Rodman, those guys are partially right that these guys would have had trouble in today's game. But at that size. Dennis Rodman's, the most amazing rebounder, I have ever seen he managed to do that. In a league of tall people, I think Dennis Rodman could probably guard just about anyone the same way collide can guard just about anyone. Yeah. I think that they're probably right, there would have a tough time, but I think they're taking a shot at Scotty Pippin that he doesn't deserve Gotti. Pippen would be the prototypical player in his era. He did quite well with the bulls wind Jordan took a couple of years off. So I think people be fine. Their sats Robin. I think are a little bit more. I could see something there because he can't handle the ball, he can't shoot and just rebounding in this game I don't think it's enough but give it arenas is not a guy to be traveled with here to renew his name. I always think back to not only bringing a gun into the locker room but this story that we all forgetting Andrea. Flat shoes were defecated in, and I believe it was from one and only Gilbert arenas, I believe that's been reported and. Well because the gun in the locker room. No, no, no Dookie sues higher than good locker room. Should you feel knowing that they drafted blamed gover when Jack del Rio the buffet, he told this story on Jacksonville radio station, the old coach of the Jacksonville Jags, and he was gone, twelve weeks later, but the Jags traded up in the draft, while he was at the buffet line. He thought he had hours before. They're picking next thing he knows their quarterback of the future is there and he's not a part of their future. It bears. Noting that Jacksonville, the guy who drafted Gabbard is no longer in football, Jack del Rio no longer in football but you know who still in football, Tampa Bay bucks. Blaine gabbert, please gentlemen. Oh, yeah. Gavitt still cashing, those checks. So I respect Jack del Rio for telling the truth. But I'm not quite sure who he thinks this is benefiting. It makes him look foolish. It makes the organs ation look foolish, and I don't get it. I understand that maybe they didn't expect him to be a part of their long-term plans. But couldn't they send somebody down there, to say, hey, come on up. We're looking to make a trade, it should have been a complete surprise to him. Who was it? The buffet. Bortles was drafting. Do you know where Jack was in the second round? Where he wasn't the second round. Yes or no? No. I don't. He was on the tool. There was he had to. Phone. It goes down. Guangwei. Show works. Sites. Everyone coming up next on my soul. Stevie show against their Zona. They bring him into the game teams win. On record since it least nineteen twenty. He's throwing that eighty seven mile per hour slots hair. He gets a pop up a foul pop of not even something fair territory here. He's ups wants to look at that he guesses it up there at ninety miles an hour, which is basically, it's changeups today. My soul CV show's brought to you by seat recruiter. The this way to hire. The the game who's excited to celebrate national handshake with me. Do you question. Hey, john. Gosh, you give us topics that events. We question them who's dominate. The question should teach Russia. Those days, do you question, if he should Roach? Roger russell. Do you question. If the dodgers chew pitch. Russell Martin in a legit situations. I hope they keep all of that in there. You can see how my father struggled with the name of Russell Martin. He is a catcher. He has thrown a scoreless inning before here's the dodgers down eight to two against result. They bring him into the game teams win. On record since at least nineteen twenty he's throwing that eighty seven mile per hour slop, tear, he gets a pop up a foul pop of not even something fair territory here. He's up wants to town, look at that he guesses it up there at ninety miles an hour, which is basically, it's changeups today, and these guys can't to it and then. Another Papa doesn't allow a ball out of the infield. Shift on. Pitching. That's what we're going to do. Very good. I guess there is something to be learned about pitching from being a catcher but isn't that an insult all pitchers ever that we could just take who's never pitched before? Throw them out there anyway, to get lucky get if you now of a sudden, we want to give them, some real real situation. Pits seems disrespectful to all of them. No, that's a contrivance though. The producers of the show formed a question around the video, we simply wanted to show you of catcher pitching because it was. Oops, you know, hate you fishing playoff in a set of kershow. Father went to the choking sound very early. They're caught me off guard. Okay. That's what we need to do came on. Russell Martin out there is your eight. That's right. Do you question. If way Rooney served brace or the goalkeeper there serve blame are you guys kidding me blame the goalkeeper on one of the most amazing goals I've ever seen? Look at where Wayne Rooney decides that he can beat the goalie house. Right of there. That's totally. That's totally absurd that he saw that from there. I wonder how that guy in Whitefield this one right here, the guy who passes it to and all that. Always that number ten number. Passes it up ahead to Wayne ruining guy sitting credible skill. And I know he's passes promise not decipher God who can dominate the Premier League as he wants did. But it just shows the gap in talent between those guys in the guys because you know who you don't see doing that anybody else on the entire pitch? Let's watch this, goalies effort by the way, because the goal is shows off a good deal of athleticism, just not enough to deal with this nonsense. Like he's going back trying. It's heads, practically hitting the poll. Wayne Rooney, by the way, I have to salute him that doesn't look fake at all. He was Baldy did transplants. And he looks good even better when he does that that was long goal. Have seen longer. You have. You have. Got that. You know what I do blame that goalie, though, that come on? You gotta be expecting that where is that? On the money, feel and foolishly. Tv with two Bs. Do you quest you weren't? Number eleven went running coverage. Okay. Number eleven is wearing an are insured. We thankfully have someone who's an expert on being wrong in coverage right here. Former cornerback Dominique Foxworth let's see if he can analyze this for. Number eleven in our, oh, oh, oh, he had him, sort of corner. And then Darren rebel goes down. Yeah. I think he would wrong when he woke up this morning and put on his jersey and decided that he was a football player. He's clearly yes when he covered the top half of his body with uniform when he went wrong in coverage. Do you know what that reminds me of? Video. Yes, we all it is. Are two in that photo. And also dummy pots worth is on the ground there. They're none of you in that photo that you guys aren't good enough at anything you don't think hit that wasn't me his the referees frenzy out ahead of the play. You don't know that I've seen you run your face was in the ground. You didn't see anything. Tomorrow afternoon on FOX, the World Cup USA and France. Two best teams in the world here. Bobby now, unfortunately, we're at tiny little show that doesn't have a budget to have the rights to actual good soccer footage that you would wanna watch the preview this game. So let's give you some of the bad cheap stuff. We've got. Yes. Wait a minute. Really second one is. Oh, no. Listen, listen. This is actually no. Whole this is everything you need. Save on Tim Legler. Dominique are you intriguing? I am barren tree. It's going to be a few of the very best women in the world, including non six four midfielder for France. It's going to be a fun game. The French national team is awesome. But not better than the USA. You don't know that yet popular you intrigue CC into getting me, friends USA what ahead of the game? I tell you one thing to skim. The fringe will be toast kidding. Daughter. After the game. Right. We're going to be wrong. Lynch's tonight in the Canadian Football League Thursday night football, the Edmonton eskimos against the Winnipeg blue bombers football. Let's check in with great Cup winner. Trevor Harris this guy's workout. What's it like? When it comes to my training him viciously serious. To the point where if my headphones are dead. I still wear many ways that people don't talk to the gym. So I was reading Kobe Bryant's book, the mama mentality. There was a page in there. He talked about how heated tap dance in the off season. You know, he's saying how it helped his foot work ankle mobility, and that, that kind of thing I just said, you know what? I've got this resource right here my mom. John. Dominic. Are you intrigue? I'm intrigued by football but Kobe Bryant gets such a bad rap everyone talks about how the mob mentality is about being a ball hawking taking bad shots, but this is about dancing, which is about tap, dancing, popular you and tree. Oh, CC Chica till you one first game in Winnipeg DC. So, you know, and I know that the fence going to be thirsty. Oh. This weekend in Florida gods of speed. All this is Ted Ginn junior has said he's the fastest guy in the league and Chad Johnson. What is his name in Spanish, poppy Spanish nickname? Chad johnson. Joe some forgot. Oh, wait. A sick guy, he's named. And he's. Oh, you'll see. He got it with no health. Let's steel track. Jed Johnson hosting speed events. Everybody around the world knows that speed is king. It's always talked about who the fastest football player will who is it? Come this summer in my, some of the fastest football players on earth. God's speed when the bag is on the line only the cream were razz at the top. Who's the fastest? Here's only one. Saturday, June twenty ninth the BBN t center fail now, that is a money making opportunity right there. People watch the draft I suppose he'll watch this. Dominique or you intrigue. Absolutely. I'm all about speed. It made me a little bit of money, haters, puffier. You and tree, though. CC in Chica. No one guy who still very willing that type of competition. Yeah. Me that's right there. Chasing the screams. Right there. Yes. That's today. Thank you for watching C Montana. In the late contestant. Oh, look at. What about this guy? This guy wants to be in this competition. Right air, who's gonna beat him in the over seventy five. Nobody's gonna fall. Fire bowl of fire is not usually very fast, but all of thirty seconds, look him to move guys six very six also very sexy. Looks like he's dancing more than walking.

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The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

The Sedano Show (Hr 2)

"We got some dodger news sort of coming up here in a second. But first Byron scotch hanging out. Now, I think you can appreciate this. Okay. The Rams fans have started an online petition to dismiss the referee for this. Sunday's game. Bill vich bitch. Okay. Because Bill his record is eight in games read. Oh my goodness. The LA Rams. So people are hot and they don't want him about now. Mike actually found another step. He is what five and three when he revs the saints games. Yes. So so, oh, hey double-whammy and actually a winning record for the under double-whammy. Yeah. Why met at the fans? Yeah. You know? What is as in? How great the fans are finding your as far as finding out little tidbits like that. Oh, yeah. And his I was talking to George earlier I used to love it in our whole team when we went to Boston to play the Celtics. Have we saw Hugh Evans. You Hollins is a referee was all right guys. We got a good chance to win this game. You know, and there's a certain referees. You feel real good about who didn't feel good about Jayco Donal. When we we saw Jacob Samo doll. Take a Brian got. I ain't gotta take a breath. We saw Jayco Donald on the road. We went down the only way we could use damn does. He didn't like us. You know, he didn't like him. And he. Hated Clyde Drexler even more than he hated us. So right when we saw him we would like man there's going to be a long day. Yeah. So I understand fans if you if this petition works you did your job. Well, I mean, listen you can talk to a San Antonio Spurs fan. They hate Joey crow on know, Bill joy as the game in two years is Joey cropper. And you know, what joy was a great ref. Right. He really was. He just was a little hot under the collar a little too old. He liked the theatrics of it. Well, yeah. You know, he should have been here in Hollywood. He was on. It should have been in theater. I mean when you throw Tim Duncan out of a game from the bitch is pretty ridiculous. It was pretty bad. Yeah. I mean, look there guys. It's funny. Right. So having now worked games for the last several years and being an MBA events like you run into these people. But man, let me tell you. There were times I would curse that Bennett Salvatore television. And I'd be like that mother. And how like me, and then I met him. And he was like the. But I still ain't forgetting that thing you did that one playoff game, I manage. Yeah. Hold grudges at times against referees. The guys now who is super he's not Joey Crawford esque, but he's close like he's the guy that I know players can't stand when he walks in the in the arena, Tony brothers. He's the guy that people are like, oh, man. This dude come on, man. And you know, what I never had a problem with Tony? Tony was always coup in me and him. Yeah. But yeah, he can he can have a little joy any. Yeah. Little joy, guys. Interesting part is vintage hasn't served as a ref in a conference championship since twenty team. Why now same thing why? Now, Dan, it's not that long ago. So he's been on very good behavior and did some real good refereeing throughout the last two years to get his self conference finals, obviously. Are you are somebody got fired or something coincident went on? I'm I'm a oh, eight Whittam. I don't I don't like that. Yeah. Here's some baseball news, so allegedly. According to our own BUSTER only and Bob Nightingale of USA today. Manny Machado was offered a seven year one hundred seventy five million dollar contract from the White Sox which his agent, Dan Lozano has vehemently denied that. That is absolutely the case. So a couple of things. Here's the thing. If to reporters from the same company whatev- reported the same exact contract, I would have said no gave maybe the agents got something here. But when two different dudes from two different companies, independent of each other. Okay. Are getting the exact same contract figures. I find it hard to believe that that isn't necessarily accurate, and what Machado's agent is doing is just Agentine point. He's trying to get that contract. What three million thirty one thousand three hundred million somewhere area people thought he would get ten for three hundred and that's a little more than half. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. He's doing what any good age. It would do because his commission is much bigger with three hundred million compared two hundred seventy five million. You know, I'm Eddie. That's a lot of money who is. Well, if they offered him seven, obviously, that's the starting point right? Gonna come back with ten years at three hundred million. Well, I think the funny part about the way baseball has gone the last couple of years like it used to be you know, when they would do those winter meetings in December man it was hot. I mean ready to talk about that long ago like two or three years ago every age was getting signed their boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it'd be news news news news. And now the last couple of years it's like nothing happened. Maybe there's a trade here there. But nothing big right now that'd be free agents are getting Bryce Harper. Manny Machado are still out there. Now, it's what I think is that owners and GM's in baseball have gotten smart in that sense. We don't have to pay you what you want like we don't have to sign you right now. Right. We can wait. I mean, spring training still four weeks away. We can wait. Right. So it is fascinating though, that that's kind of the way that it's worked out where you know for years. You know, the major league baseball players union was the strong union of all the right right in professional sports. And now the owners have kind of flip that scrambling. What you kind of take our time to do it. And maybe they will get paid. Maybe they won't right. But that's a hell of a starting point of your Manny Machado. That's not anywhere near what you have in years. One seventy five. That's a pretty good starting point. I think that the owners are taking a page out of the NBA owners. Yeah. You know playbook as far as you know, we we don't necessarily have to pay you. Right now. Right. You know? So I agree with you. Yeah. It is pretty fast, but the dodgers still nothing crickets, by the way. No trade. No sign and nobody. I mean, you know, nothing. I mean, they they waiting. There was like a story that you know, magic was flying out to beat Bryce Harper was all fake. It wasn't real. I was like I was excited when I saw the magic was allegedly going to me is Arbor. I'm like this getting done is still might get done. Yeah. You know, we just we'll just at the way. He's got. He's got the real tough agent. He's got. Yeah. I mean that guy seems to get everybody signed for big time money, he doesn't mess around. But again, we are in kind of an interesting game and chicken between agents and major league baseball. So we'll keep that. Oh, keep you posted on that. Coming up next. I want to get into kind of all the games this weekend. There's an interesting discussion about where you rank the coaches now clearly ballot. Check is number one. Who's the second best coaches, we because you got three other coaches, you have three damn good. Yeah. So we'll get into that. Plus, some more thoughts on Stephen as theory of who the Lakers should be trading for. If you missed that. You'll hear about it next. Sonatas ESPN LA Biden's gonna hang it out. We're just telling some fun story. All my gun the break, you guys don't know how much fun. We have the break is a special place. It really is. A special place. So. People are intrigued by this Kemba Walker thing, but you know, buying the problem with with that. And if you wonder what the hell we're talking about Stephen had said that look the Lakers should go after Kemba Walker is only making twelve million dollars a free agent next year. He would really help LeBron James as you pointed out by new hi rich via in that sense. But you know, people hate giving up on the young guys. But here's the thing with the young guys barn, no consistency as you've talked about. And I watch yesterday's game. Lonzo play great and Brandon played all right too. I thought right. And I'm like why can't they do that and more right? And look I get it sometimes playing with O'Brien, Brian it's harder to fit in. Right. Like you got to kind of make. It's like a puzzle. It's got to work. But when he's not there like you need to be showing out like, I've I've covered the NBA for this is year sixteen Byron you played in it you like every team or teams I've been around when the star players out. Everyone was like, oh, we can do now is get big. And like, I don't get. It with these with these two young men in particular, and they're nice young, man. Right. But it's like where is that fired to muster this up on a consistent basis, particularly when LeBron is out like you said, I think we're all waiting on that, and like you said, you know, from a personal standpoint both of these guys are terrific young man this note, there's no doubt about it. You know, I haven't met Lonzo. I've been around in been around people who know him. Yeah. Met Brandon Julius Randle, you know, a wedding, right? Just a terrific guy. Sure. You know? So you know, that they want they want to be great, you know, talking to Luke last year, he talked about how hard Brandon works. You know? So the guy wants to be great. But again when when the stars out, you your eyes have to light up because you get more opportunities. And you gotta take advantage of that. And then when he comes back you're going to have to tailor your game a little bit. But you still want to keep that aggressive edge. And that's something that we haven't seen from these two guys on a consistent basis. And I know it drives Luke crazy. Yeah. You're from. Coach standpoint. Because like you said you see glimpses of it. And then the next game. I'll sudden it kind of goes way, you know. So is the growing pains of having young players again. These guys are twenty years old twenty one years old, and you dealt with the you know, a couple of Cleveland. Yeah. A lot and I dealt with it with would New Orleans. Only different was CPI was ready right at nineteen years. Paul was ready. I was I was amazed at how well he knew the playbook that I gave him in the summer to get ready for some leak. He knew it already when we played in some relief. Yeah. So some players are just different some, you know, he he he was just wired differently. But again, we're dealing with twenty year olds and 21-year-olds at our young still still learning the game still growing, and they have to figure it out in right now is just like, you know, you throwing their feet under the fire and say, hey, guys, you know, go out here and play and figure it out why we're going through what we're going through because I would say even yesterday's game. Okay. Like they needed the win. Obviously those guys, and we we'd. We we'd like to see that more often. And look frankly as both guys being number two picks, you kind of expect that consistency to come around at some point. But that game like they had this big lead. It was like seventeen points in the fourth quarter. And all of a sudden it got down six. Yeah. And you're sitting there and you're like after the game's over instead of being like, yeah. That was good. A good win. You're like we'll thank God, they want, you know. Yeah. And again, that's that lack of focus. You know, in, you know, in we always say backing today magic in specially Pat Riley. You gotta team down by double digits. They call timeout. You come into huddle. You know, they're gonna come out with something. And we used to say listen this lead from fifteenth. Gotta go to twenty. Yeah. We got our neck our foot on Nick smash it, you know, that aggressive mindset of of of having a killer instinct, and sometimes these young guys, they take a nice big inhale. And they think hey, you know, we got this game. And they forget that they're planning to get some other professionals that they're gonna come back at them. And you gotta be able to sustain that. So all this right now for them are is learning curves learning things that they have to go through. Yeah. But you just don't want them to continue this pattern of not being consistent pattern of inconsistent basketball's a thing. That's going to get him in trouble. Yeah. For sure there's any question, and, you know, Luke's answering questions in the pregame about his job security, and all this that because so many people writing it right that it's just like man, I it's so hard, and you you obviously can empathize. Having been in that position before he's been dealt a tough hand. Okay. He is not only dealing with those young guys. And there it gets his design obviously having to manage LeBron then not being able to manage Ron. It is a hard that he was a hard job to begin with. It's become even more difficult difficult because of all the things that are going on right now. So, you know, then you get questions from the median in feigns in general on why these guys aren't playing better. Why aren't they developing quicker and everything's the process, you know, everything what young guys is a process and Lucas answering questions that he shouldn't have to be answering at this time of the year. Right job security, things of this nature. He shouldn't you don't want to answer those questions. You want to focus on your young player. You want to focus on the team get wins and get ws. And obviously when you get ws some of those questions go away, you know? But right now, he's just an a real tough spot because of the injuries that he has to key key players. And then the fact that somebody young guys are just playing inconsistent basketball. Their lines are out. We've been talking about the Rams New Orleans. The lines are actually for next year's football season already, which is crazy to me. Like, we haven't even ready this damn season. We got a few more weeks. This season's over exactly but the Super Bowl to the twenty twenty winter. I don't even know anymore. Like what bowl this is? This fifty something like were we like fifty four is. Oh. All on those numbers that they put up. I can't even ask them. No more. When it went from x x x which is thirty. I I was like all right. I'm gonna all Scala's fifty. Okay. I don't allow IV. That's fifty four. Okay. Fifty three this year. The Rams are actually the favorite already for next year. Already six to one favorites. Casey, second seven to one New Orleans eight to one New England tend to one and then the chargers and bears at twelve to one Pittsburgh at fourteen to one. That's that's pretty wild this already. Okay. That's pretty wild. That those those things are out there already, and it's going to be interesting because as we talked about kind of with the Rams it, you know, once they do get past this season. They do only have the five draft picks because they they've mortgage some of it to get some of the players that they've acquired now they acquired a guy like Brandin cooks was young, right? So right. Like, that's a smart deal. When you're getting a guy who you're going to lock up who's already young who's going to be part of your core for a long time. Like that's worth whatever pick you traded. Right. Same Marcus Peters. Right. If they lock up those guys like to me that's worth all of that. We've talked about this a while back when they were in training camp. You know, Sean McVeigh would like you said they pay Todd curly, and they were paying all these guys. They were they were just like you said a poker poker table. They're just putting all the chips in there. Like we're in. We're in this thing the whole way you're we're trying to win it this year. And I thought that's exactly what they were trying to do it. That's why they at the point. They are right now. But in doing so they cut a lot of the flexibility, and like you said the players that they acquired is just like they all bought in. But what's happening to them is? Is what happens to all great organizations right for the most part in any sport. You know, you do need to rebuild certain aspects like their offensive line is older. Right. All right. So they're going to probably have to replace at least the guy or to they're potentially. They're losing assistance. That's true. If you out. Sean McVeigh like assistant deepens of line coach assistant receiver coach dose. Assistant special teams. Coach you go and get a head coaching job is hanging out with Sean McVay right now fired. If you want to coach football, Sean, I need a job can I can I receive? Something special teams anything go hang out, which Sean and you'll be all right? You know what I mean? So Sean out job is getting done your. So he's getting the look there's other things right? Like, the division is getting better. Yes. Yes. We thought Seattle was dead. And they're not Russell Wilson still. There means though there they've kind of revitalized that team a little bit younger. Arizona just got cliff Kingsbury the Niners. We thought were coming than Garoppolo got hurt. Right. But that'd be better. But people like Kyle Shanahan. It'll be better next year. Jerry Rice talking about Antonio Brown. Come on play there. They'll Seattle also interested in Tonio Brown quartz. So it is it is interesting that, you know, even though the Rams are the favourite it don't mean nothing to be the favourite. Now, forget about now as we don't subject right here, you go, you know, twelve o'clock Sunday get get to, you know, twenty twenty right now that don't matter right now, you're focused on twenty nine hundred and winning this game this game coming up get that done. We have some more news on the Rams, including the fans get in on something. This is something Byron can relate to this fan petition. The Rams have is something that Byron. And. Every professional athlete can relate to tell you what the swirl up why they're up in arms and just a second. So Donald show. Byron Scott hanging out ESPN LA. Oh, man. Byron Scott hanging out. Oh. Some good stories here sonata show on ESPN LA you serve. Hey demographer is gonna stop by at five forty John Ireland going to check in with us around like six o'clock or so we'll chat with those guys about the Rams and the Lakers speaking of which real quick before I get to the Lakers conversation. Did you see that it became official? I know the Bob Costas has been kind of separating from NBC's no longer doing the Olympics. He wasn't doing NFL anymore is very critical of the NFL actually mom and is now official. It is a split, which is crazy, man. Because I mean, there's not a lot of guys that you look at in the broadcasting industry, you say you associate them specifically one, right? Yeah. Jim Nance is probably that last guy was CBS because everyone else's balanced around. Right. Even how Michael's, you know. He was ABC. Now, he's NBC whatever. But Bob was like the guy like he was doing your games. You're not getting the done. Bob has been around for a long time. So like you said he used to do our game got a chance to know bar. Pretty well. So it is unusual Cassie that he is done. Yeah. He's gonna still disobeys law. He said, yeah. For MLB network. So still call some games here and there, but but yeah, I mean, he was the pre like as a kid growing up like someone who wanted to do this for right? I was like yo Bob causes the man he was at every. And he was he was he was every big event possibly here. NBA finals World Series Super Bowl Olympic, whatever. It was. He was there. Yeah. It was crazy, man. So shout out to Bob, you know, he's going to do it his way. And but you know, he was a legend. So make sure shot him out a little bit. Speaking of legends. Stephen a Smith is a legend and he thinks the Lakers needs. To pull the trigger on a move. And he's got a guy in mind. My attitude is get to a point now. Fahmy score. Balmy somebody with Dan ball in the hole. I mean, not that it will happen. But let's just say for the sake of argument of God is making twelve million a year right now. And I like him but Walker man, let me tell you something right now, they a walk. I'm not going to be upset because I know he's going to give me buckets. I need somebody other than Zuma that Acura lie upon the give the ball of put the damn ball in the hole as what I think the Lakers need more. So than anything, right, right? What you're saying is it's one thing to have a playmaker. It's another thing to have a playmaker at a certain level. Kemba Walker is up late maker at a very high level and the Lakers don't have anyone other than LeBron. And let me say this Kemba Walker is not good Kimba walk. It is spectacular insane spectacular. When would Kimball Walker to his team? But oh, man, there's your Robin right there. I mean, like, I said Cari urban niche, you know, he can put the ball in the basket. Just like Stephen a Smith was talking about break people down. He's gonna probably get you five or seven times a game as well. Shoots a decent three shooter from three to the basket. Create shots moves teammates as well. And it would also allow LeBron to take some time off at offense van where he where he doesn't not have to be the center of attention and just like in Cleveland kyri was there, you know. All right. You know, Kim. Go ahead. Take overflow for a little while. He has that capability. And like, you know, Stephen Smith said he gets you buckets. Which most of the time turns into get you wins. Yeah. For sure absolutely Mike's and Sherman oaks, what am I glad to speak with you B Scott machine gun Kelly hair from the range down in Beverly Hills, some years ago inevitable hamburgers. Can we used to run you out to where I've been good, man? You talking about the Beverly Hills gun club man, that's a long time ago. The only time I've ever seen it as in Beverly Hills. Remember that scene with Brigitte? Nielsen all them late. And. Yeah. Yeah. Me and machine gun Kelly note that plays very very very well. Yeah. We go back. I think Stephen a Smith has it right with Kemba Walker. The man is twenty eight years old. He commands respect silent respect and he's never been in a playoff game. And if you look at his three points to kiss ticks, they've gone from the twenties up to the forties in the last four years. He's been consistent aborting injuries playing in the sixty s and seventy games. And he doesn't have a lot of training on those wheels. Only playing like thirty five minutes a game throughout his career. I like that idea of having that mature Batman to Robin. And then there's room also financially if the Lakers could get the Kawhi Leonard or yeah. Yeah. Because he would come off. He would come off the books by he's a free agent after the season. He only cost twelve million dollars. So it's easier to acquire right? You don't have to. Put together as many salaries as you would for even a Bradley Beal who is a guy that people have talked about, you know, would be a great fit with LeBron James. But Kemba does have that Kemba, you know, he was very hot from three to start the season. He's still shooting a respectable thirty six or thirty seven percent, which is very respectable. And he's actually expanded the range like he's I'm not going to say he Steph curry, but he's shooting it from that type of distant right, right? Where it's not just at three point line. It's a couple of mind the three point line because he's so good in it, particularly in transition, those pull up situation that you you have to kind of guard off of him. So he'll pull up from like twenty four twenty minutes. Yeah. You got a guard him just like you do Steph when he crawls half court. You got you gotta get up, you know, because you don't know to two more dribbles. They'll pull up from there. Right. And he has that capability. And then you know, the fact that a lot of guys give him room because of the fact that he can get by you, you know, he can beat people off the dribble. Get to the basket. He's really good finisher for its is. But it. It makes a lot of sense in so many different ways. And like like, we said earlier it gives you that that second guy that can definitely go get it every single night. Yeah. No doubt about it. Let me ask you this. Because we've talked about the young guys in lack of consistency or whatever. The player development on the Lakers as an organization kinda needs to be discussed a little bit here. Right. Because you know, we've talked about it like you said it by your three. That's it. Like, you are no longer a young, man. Like what you get through your three year veteran. Yeah. Brandon Ingram is in year. Three lonzo's in year. Two like we've seen some of these guys now for a while. And it just doesn't seem like that is working out. And by the way, they had Julius Randle who was coming around. And then they decided to let him walk and whatnot. And I know there was an agent and stuff there too that there was an issue. But man like I look at the Lakers player development. They've done a nice job of drafting guys. Right. But actually developing them like I don't know if that's been a strength of what is organising has done. I think that comes into play with the next conversation. You know, we're talking about you know, Luke, and we're talking about the players. But you know, who is developing the guys, you know. So that definitely has to be. A topic of the conversations because again like you said that first year is kind of a wash because they're rookies, and they're they're they're wet. You're gonna get you know, they they're getting their feet wet, and they're just learning the the NBA lifestyle a plan. Second year, you expect a game to slow down a little bit for them third year. You expect them to have a pretty good grasp? But what's going on in vita fourth? You you expect guys to take all so. Yeah. All that has to be discussing like I said, you know, when you come to the all star weekend urban, rob date. I'm sure they've got a list of things that they need to you know, tackle and talk about and that probably is one of them, you know, and they're gonna see where you where they are in every situation was being good. What's been bad in again? They have to take in consideration. The fact that the injury bug has hit this team heart. You'll this year sort of development is not exactly where everybody expected to be. Let's go to line real quick Lon. What's up? I agree with you and baby about everything because the like can't they get trying to get both Kemba Walker and Bradley Beal 'cause you got the ask to go. Give them let's go. Let's. Well, but I think they'd be punting on the chances of getting someone guys that are better, right. Like at least be in the game for Durant and Kawai and those kind of guys and even trying to trade for Anthony Davis. It's going to eat up someone that's our Cup. When you when you're talking about those two guys bringing them both. I think but either one of those guys though to be honest with you is a really good fit. You know for what the Lakers are doing right now can be walkers a guy that can get his own Bradley Bill is three years younger out thinking God has proven that. He can get his own as well as all star. So you can't go wrong with neither one of those guys. And I don't think you you you want to go after both. Because again, you want to have that flexibility of being able to go after one of these big time, you know, Kevin Durant type guys when the season is over. Yes, sir. Thank you so much for hanging out today. George always a pleasure. My making sure you always make my day. And thank you for making time for us. What we got coming up next is what's trending, including some interesting news about a rival of the Rams, we'll tell you. What's going on there? In just a second. 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I am curious to see though, how people feel about that. We can talk about in a few minutes, though. Because I am curious. Like, would you like what you give up? Lonzo right now, if I can tell you give up Lonzo, and I dunno whatever like. Now, whatever come on now. Lonzo or KC p matches the salary and then Lonzo, and then you take one of their sow you take like Maliki monk back or something. I dunno. Yes. Would you do that? Yes yesterday. Yeah. I would you gotta shooter in monk and let me be clear, no disrespect Alonzo. But we're just talking about winning right now. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan Alonzo. Right. But when you come to the Kimball Walker right now as far as the timing. Yes. Well, and the reality is this Mike is that again, he's a free agent. So the money comes off the books, you still have all the flexibility. I actually love it. I think it's, you know, I know Stephen, it was just kind of just talking, you know, he wasn't saying wasn't reporting anything, but it makes a lot of sense. And I'll tell you what at some point. Lebron is going to look at this roster. And he's going to be like man like, what are we doing here? You know, I don't know if that point is now, and I'm not saying is now, but it's going to get to that point at some at some point let LeBron has been around for a long time Pelinka has of course, magic and LeBron's teams. Mm. So I'm sure Kimball Walker is in the conversation at some point you'd hope so I do think that they they're I do think that they're gonna exhaust all options. They don't have a ton of options, but he's clearly one of them. Now, the question is would Charlotte even be willing to deal him because I don't know is Kemba Walker going to be that sought after his Charlotte not going to maximum out because Charlotte's gonna maxim out, then it's not gonna matter. Yeah. But here's the thing. They will. Here's what I would do if I were Jordan now, Jordan hasn't always been the accused of being the most. What's the word? I'm looking for. He generally not considered a great owner in the sense that he doesn't look he's not playing. He's not playing two steps ahead of people. But I'm pretty sure I'd have to look at the rules on this on free agency. But if he traded Kemba could he resign him in free agency? I'm almost positive he could. So you could get the assets for him and inside, but but Kimba would lose. Well, that's the problem. Kemba would lose the year of. Us one year as far as like the max deal because the home team can give you that extra year? But I mean is that crazy? I think on the Lakers. I absolutely explore. It, you know, and I don't I just don't know where Charlotte is right now. I mean, they're sort of in the playoff picture in the east. But are they really going to be like doing they're going to beat in the first round who not only Kimba baller for Charlotte? But he seems like a good guy off the court. Also, you know what I mean? So that's a hard thing to come by sometimes when you have the full package, so I would think that they would maxim out in Charlotte, you'd think so let's get to what's hot and what's going on. Of course, what's trending is brought to us by friends at the dudes brew, by the way, get out. This sunday. Watch the football game with us at the dudes brewing company and Torrance, I watch party. Sunday at noon, if you want to get on the VIP LA's techs dudes to four zero seven zero five that's dudes to four zero seven zero five, and you can come hang out. I'm going to be there for like a half and hang out and watching football sceptres tweeted us before we get into actually what's trending. I said I just watch him play on its buyer basketball versus the clippers at Staples. I mean, look I'm not saying that you didn't see that. But I'm just saying it's this Kibbe my like the clubs roaches just to that. And it is just one game. I mean LA you can't be making now lay. It is true late Night Live is undefeated. But not in general, you shouldn't make snap judgments like that is what I'm saying. So first story in the books here is Antonio Brown. So we talked about Antonio Brown maybe to the Niners, right? Jerry Rice was saying that Antonio Brown would love to play for the Niners. But according to Jason lockenfora of CBS sports, who's their NFL insider, he saying the Seahawks could be interested in Antonio Brown, regardless. It's not good news for the row. Rams that both of their division. Rivals are interested in Antonio Brown man, s amazing to see hawks can get in Tonio Brown in. That's the perfect coach Pete Carroll. Yeah. Perfect atmosphere. Seattle's a great city. They kind of you know, buy into that. And I'm telling you that can work out. Well, because that team let's its players be outspoken have person. I guess, you know, as long as you're productive like, I don't know if Sherman, and maybe Thomas kinda messed that up for the organization on guys that are just speaking, you know, but Earl wanted to get paid big big. Yeah. And they didn't feel like a safety was worth that. And was Sherman. He's just kind of older he's not the same player. He points. Just probably why. They just. Yeah. Guys, go you have to make sure decisions, but in the past you're right and Pete Carroll for sure is all about letting dudes be themselves. Like, I don't think there's any question about that. But it is something to kind of watch out for us. Both teams are two of the teams in the division. Are looking at Antonio Brown. Speaking of football and speaking of the Rams Matla floors the new head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Obviously he was the quarterbacks coach for Sean McVay. And or not quite sure she was the offensive coordinator actually last season. But he says that Aaron Rodgers wants to be coached hard. Now, there is this narrative out there about Aaron Rodgers that he doesn't want to be coached hard. I feel like that is the laziest thing ever. Of course dudes want to be challenged. The problem was that Mike McCarthy was so basic basically in his offense that Aaron was not challenged that. That's why Aaron was absolutely going out of his way to change plays. This dudes run an offense that was cool like five six years ago. Right. You've got Sean McVay running crazies sets how Shanahan like he wanted one of those dudes. So now, here's a guy who can challenge him intellectually on that side of the ball. And he's going to he's going to roll with that like I actually think that hiring an offense of coach young or old particularly young. I would. Prefer with Aaron Rodgers will be cool because you can kind of build that relationship. Right. We've seen that in the NBA. All right. Look, Pat Riley became a coach for the Los Angeles. Lakers. He was once the traveling secretary for the Lakers. Okay. A broadcaster. And he was on the staff and then west Ed gets gets let go and Magic's like that's my guy. And Pat became the guy so building that relationship like that is not a bad thing in my opinion. Do you think the Packers ran this buyer Rogers because in the past they've always said that they make their own moves in? She have not, of course, they should right. Well, because they got rid of everybody that was making those decisions previously. So there's that. Right. So there's that. But I actually meant look I'm not selling my Aaron Rodgers stock. The other thing about Aaron Rogers. That's trending today is that people are trying to say that drew Brees is a better quarterback than him. Now. Look drew Brees the all time leading passer, this that and the other. But if I told you right now you can pick one quarterback to win the Super Bowl. Today. Are you taking breeze over Rogers because I'm not no not doing it? I mean Aaron got hurt this year. So that's different putting on one leg. But still you if you watched the full games of these guys so in the past couple of years, you can see clearly who's the better quarterback. Yeah. I think that's crazy to me. Speaking of quarterbacks Jalen hurts Alabama quarterback has now transferred. Now, he's a graduate transfer. So he can play right away. He has made his decision is gonna go play it, Oklahoma. Look if you are a graduate transfer quarterback, Oklahoma seems like a nice spot for you Baker Mayfield collar Murray. All those guys were graduate transfers or transfers and it worked out pretty well. For those guys. Whether it was Bob stoops previously, Lincoln Riley. Now, they've kind of created a safe space for quarterbacks who wanna go there after the fact. Yes, just that perfect system and put a guy in there that was also you with emergency plan that same type of style now. And now that he's gone. Why not now I'm curious because lane had Jalen throwing the ball a little more than maybe? Nicad when lane wasn't there. And then you know, Jane and lost his job to to talk about lower. Oklahoma's gonna throw the ball. You know what I'm saying? So you think Jalen is as good throwing the ball is color. Mary Baker Mayfield. Because I don't know if he's that good. Yes. The good point a lot of Alabama quarterbacks are not known even when I get to the level of the NFL to throw that. Well, who was the first one? Really? Yeah. So I'm curious to see how that works out from a Senate, probably not a guaranteed starting position for you. You just transfer it because it's a probably a better system in a better opportunity. Speaking of opportunities Zion. Williamson is taking advantage of all his opportunities and Scottie Pippen said yesterday on the jump that he should stop taking advantage or stop taking those opportunities and just shut it down. What am I talking about? Take a listen, I think he's locked up the biggest suit he'll definitely going to be the number one pick. I mean, I think he's done enough for basketball college basketball that is more about him personal personally now. And I think for him was a young player that I would show. Down. I'll let me let me stop playing. Coty I would stop playing because I feel that he could risk a major injury that could really hurt his career. See I would disagree with hall of Famer Scotty Pippin because at the end of the day. These guys are gonna play basketball, even if you shut it down he's going to practice. He's gonna scrimmage he's going to work out. And you can get just as hurt in any of those scenarios as you would in a game. Like, I'm not feeling that I kind of feel it because we know what's on the line. And we know what is future is about in Zion. We'd know he will be the first pick. But everything we've taught kids and everything we've taught our kids first of all is to stick with something. Once you start it. And now you're asking a guy that has a platform like Duke, which any school he'd be dominating this way. But to tell them to bail out in the middle of the season on his teammates that's kinda hard pill to swallow for sure. And I think that look I'm all in. I've been in favor of kids sitting out bowl. Games and things of that nature for their NFL draft stock now, that's also different football is way more physical, obviously. And you really can get hurt playing football as opposed to basketball, it's physical. But ain't that physical. So it's a different discussion. Ultimately, I just think that the NBA in clearly they will be doing this sooner rather than later. I think it's either the twenty one or the twenty two draft will allow high school players enter the draft directly. But yet looks Williamson's body and gain is ready for the NBA and coach K usually knows how to pick him as far as guys off the court. You know, personally, but I will say this. It's hard understand the money's there. And you want him, you know, not get injured, but that college life as almost like NBA NBA star in endurance. It is nice. It's nice. This is because I didn't paid, but he didn't get paid quick lot of cute chicks. I mean, he might be getting paid. We don't know allegedly. So so you might not be in a rush, you know, speaking of Duke, Jason Tatum who went to Duke is now the latest NBA player to have a signature shoe with Nike and his shoe. Mike is a self lacing Nike sneaker. Now is that cool or is that just lazy? Senate again, I'm sorry. He has a self lacing sneaker is that cooler lazy. Nowadays. I would think it was lazy. But nowadays is I think it's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's cool. It's cool. Young people will love I think, it's cool. It's like back to the future. Remember back to the future. Right. That's true. He had the fly on the second back to the future back to the future to when he did the. Yeah. When biff all of a sudden was the, you know, everybody wanted at you right again. Everybody wanted at you. Yeah. It's a new day man where you got people riding two blocks on a scooter. You know what? I mean, it's true. That is true. They do have that. There's no doubt speaking of stuff that's being launched. Apple is launching a battery case now, you know, you can buy cases for your iphone or whatever. Well, this one actually is got the battery an extra battery attached to it is not necessarily new other companies have created but Apple's got their own like you're not buying a bootleg version of it to put on your iphone. This is like legit from apple and is one hundred and twenty nine dollars is it worth one hundred twenty nine dollars to get that extra juice on the battery. On your phone all day. Yes. So for you, like, I'm asking you specific there's someone who is on their phone constantly texting people. Call them people E mail in all that stuff. It's not for me personally, because I'm either at home in the car where I can charge it or I'm at the station to well. I can charge. But, but when you work, those radio rose and super bows and things like that. And you're on the road. And you don't have the time to stick it in the plug is definitely worth it. But that happens what if couple times a year, right? You can kind of deal with people like you to have all that money you could just expensive. What are you talking about, you know, expensive thing last thing we've got here actually know what let's hold this one over we got two more. I want to hold them over to the other side to non-sports one sport. So make it three total. So we'll do that on the other side. We'll finish up. What's trending plus Rajon, Rondo talks about Luke Walton and his job security and the job that he's doing. At the moment. I'll tell you what Rondo said and just a second.

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Celtics Beat Hawks in Game 2, Robert Williams Explodes, Source calls out Brown, Tatum

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

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Celtics Beat Hawks in Game 2, Robert Williams Explodes, Source calls out Brown, Tatum

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How about how about Robin Williams? And how about Kemba Walker? Emma. We're looking at a whole week a good play from him now. So the progress continues games for sure. I like the way you click that John him and Robin Williams like them together the way they looked I guess the hawk rubs we never put it to put it together like that right like so experience was so fun tonight. Let's please start with Rob because I plan on it. Yeah. I like I said, I'm still playing it cuz I want people to room here. Yep, you know almost immediately start with Rob, you know, bring up Jaylin at the end of the show business with Rob obscene with Rob all season, but I mean, that's the thing. Like I said you go to the thing that was more interesting and remarkable off of this game. And again, I think it was I think it's hard to argue. It wasn't robbed fans. He was just so interesting. But I mean that stretch where it's basically like steel block back door make a nice pass dunk l u and like Bobby tweeted about it from the Celtics account, you know, the game went to From mildly competitive to a blowout during those Rob Williams second quarter minutes there and that was basically the ball game, but the guys just so freaking elected. He probably had like eleven fouls tonight. I think he only got called for 4 or so before he got going on the set. You just talked about he wrapped up capella and like one of the first place of the second I Tice took another fellow from him. I'm sure sure you get that and then there was a third player like wrapped up reddish. So by halftime he had six fouls, but they only call three and then by the end of the night he got away with another one. We were going re fellow there. So realistically he realistically at $8,000 I wouldn't do it. So that was the most unfortunate game and the Exact Staffing was at the start of that structure was 33 to 24 and then at the end after all his dunks and layups and Steals and box that was 51 the 37 and that was pretty much the game. Yeah. Yep. Dude was awesome. And it's funny because we always talk about let's just see the Celtics just love it up there. Right just throw it to Rob and let's see what happens and then he does like the most Rob like we knew he was capable of this sort of athleticism incredible man. Like that was caught it tapped. It one-handed in his hand eye coordination is just through the roof. Yeah, like that's the kind of play where you're like, wait a minute. Like if not that it's not one of those. Okay, if he does it every single night as well change everything but like just that open opportunity if he's able to get more comfortable get these reps in man like that. It just opened my eyes to how how explosive this office could truly be when with Rob in the middle of doing what he did. He was doing everything on both ends something like he was somebody tweeted it jokingly just way to your point was like, I wonder what this offense would look like if they just robbed if they just loved it to rub on every possession, you know, it's like legit and we always joke like that but like he made it look so smooth as well. Wait a minute. Why don't we do that more often wage? And also here is you do see the other side though, the ridiculous goaltending all the files were so like absurd and he easily could have ended up taking himself out of this one and having a game. So you do see both sides of the debate here where there's just an enormous level of upside. But also these like just absurd things. He does that you just can't do out there that end up getting them home games and you only had 16 minutes in this one in the end because of all the following and mistakes and miscues. He jumped into a couple of Shooters on the three-point line and it's like you're right John there's more good than bad. But the bad is so bad like just inexcusable stuff. I know but I mean again it goes back to the same point. We're making I believe that mister perfect the good life. It's not just it's not it's not perfect. It's just like things you can't do but it's not a the thing is it's not a one good and one bad cross each other off. The good is something he's like one of the owner Human beings on the planet that it could be done. You know what I mean is like no one in your a lot. It allows you to do things that no one else on the floor you could even attempt it with so it's not just a net positive results. It's an overall positive environment that wouldn't exist. If Rob wasn't on the court the things that he does the game the the you know, the the plays that he the shots. He Alters his quick hands off steals deflections all of that stuff. No one else does that and what he's able to do in and around the rim and when you throw it up there and again, we did we joke with the role gravity and all of this and that it's a real freaking thing. I mean, the guy just doesn't practice. I mean his field-goal percentages years like 85% but right nobody does nobody does the positive things that he does. It's it's on a different level that stretched there, you know, he made like down to rate what we would have called winning plays, you know, like what Marcus Smart does once or twice a game and we lose our minds over and he does it Robert Williams. Does it every game like multiple times a game that that has to come off? Something if we can live with Marcus's sloppiness, we can live with Rob's right? Yeah, absolutely. No, you gotta live with you driving into the lane and turning the ball over left and right but then also makes sense. But he's he's hitting shots. Only Jayson Tatum can hear you know, like there is a trade-off there like and I think Rob does things only Rob can do. Yeah, definitely. I agree. Yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards your side of things where I mean clearly we've been saying where's Rob Williams All Season you guys like six minutes eight minutes, they you know, like barely place. So I think over the last week or so. Yeah. Yeah. He definitely does the last week or so. I think you know, the tides are turning a bit here. I think whether he's earned the wrong time or whether it's just you know, Brad's finally allowing him to get some more minutes the the, you know, his teammates are teammates who seem to always be Big Rob Williams guys, so I don't think was that I just think for whatever reason it took him a little bit more time to get in Stephens is rotation. So think he's there now, I would be stunned if if we're talking about, you know, random games Williams logs like six minutes, I would I would be just cuz like we haven't seen had all year. I keep seeing the sub ten minutes we've seen he's averaging like fourteen. Don't tell me that he hasn't have games where he's played under 10, cuz I can guarantee you that he has earlier in the year. I just had a couple of games at the hip taken off and I still wonder what role that plays in it in terms of his role and like how much he does play physically cuz after that stretch he took himself out of the game. He called out and walk, you know stepped out of the game after that big run he had in the second. So I don't know if conditioning wise hip wise what's going on there, but in terms of earning minutes, I mean sixteen twenty is a given fact. I just don't know if we'll see him crossed that Plateau or start like we've talked about because there are still great players playing in front of him to the other two centers are fantastic tonight as well. Yeah, he might be playing the right amount. It's you know, I mean in a place like this when you have Thompson playing a really good game, I mean, yeah and and tice again the difference went again capella went off again, but the difference when you see Tice defensively he's obviously the birth All around defender of those bigs in there, even if he's going to get beat up by some of the bigger guys just his activity there and obviously he's just he's a more capable Defender. He's more responsible Defender wage that then then then Rob for sure makes a difference having them back when they complement each other like this. It turns out great. And you're like, wow The Bigs were great tonight. It's hard to argue against it when you see Thompson have off again. You don't want to overreact to one or the other but your look at Thompson two games 3 games, you know, he's kind of like get this guy off the court and Rob I think is pretty explosive almost every single night. So that's why I always lobbying for the RAB minutes. Yeah. I'm going to say John this is the best we've seen all three of them in one game right at school. He says you will write I mean and I use the word cohesive Loosely because they have there's nothing like each other and I think Tristan Thompson like for what it's worth. He did have a good game but capella like that those offensive rebounds those put bags. Like that's the reason why was funds right wage? With that completely ate them up. Like I think my going to manager he has to be like the best I've seen at this, you know this year because it was you know, it got to a point where you start thinking. Well first off, I mean, that's the first thing I think of when I first started this or I first heard it was signing Thompson is that those offensive rebounds those second-chance opportunities, he has to minimize that especially against you know teams in the East weather wage. So whoever it is down there. I mean besides that you have Titus with the outside shot if you have Rob Williams getting things done on both ends and that's why I think those Rob Williams are so valuable, especially whether we're talking with the second unit or you can plug the starters because when he that energy on both ends, I just think it's it's almost it's not only contagious but it puts the Celtics at a level energy-wise where they're able to compete better. Like I just hated the Volkswagen and you know five minutes since we're not only the offenses dry but like the defense they came with a string together stopped and we've seen that so many times against the Wizards and against the Pistons and against you know, the teams that the song Were essentially just out-hustled against. Are we concerned about the way a faded in the 4th though? I mean to a certain extent but Trey was you know to quote Brad Stevens a couple of days ago that you know that stray he was not too disappointed with the defense entree, you know trades going to hit those shots, but the subjects managed to have that pad that patted lead that the Hawks, you know, it was too little too late at that point. So the thing that real quick I'll see about Rob is like the highs are very high and the lows are very low. So it's kind of like the middle of what what John sees it was Bobby. So like I agree with John in the sense where it's like one runs out there, like really really really great things could happen. Whereas your kind of capped with a guy like Tristan who you know, you might he might do what he does and tonight was was a great game at night at really good example to use but generally speaking you kind of know what you're going to get like 8 and 6 right or like he's going to grab the rebound and whatever but like with Rob out there you feel like wow, like at any moment. This guy could come out of nowhere and swap the bond to like the 20th row or you can go for a nasty dunk. Like there's just a lot more you're capable of doing as a team with him on the floor. So he might play his way off the floor once in a while with a stupid mistake or whatever, you know bad defensive rotation, but overall, I think you get Like the like the pros outweigh the cons I think when he's out there so they take it one step further than that though. What I think is I understand the good and the bad of Rob but what ends up happening is you put in the guy like Tristan because you think he's safer on most nights and then you end up having to with a bunch of things that he did. So with Rob you might have mental breakdowns with Tristan. Sometimes he's just getting physically dominated where guys are jumping and and getting the ball or he's not he he's trying hard. He gets the offensive rebounding can't do the put back his percentage on putbacks. I don't know what it is today. But as an audio well and being charged 40 something percent to be very very poor on ones. That should be automatic pocket you grab that offensive board. You should be able to put that thing back in and he's not so you're living with negative plays from Thompson age. You just feel better about it cuz it seems like he's in the right place. He's just kind of getting beat up like he was with capella, you know in a couple of stints over these last couple of games. So then I mean, it's like it's not like he's it's not like he's dead. I clean sheet when he's out there either so much. No, I think with the same with Rob is I think like a polished big man will really exploit rob, you know, you know with the low-post moves and things like that. That's when you'll see Brad through. Yeah, right. I agree. I think that's when you really see. Okay. Maybe you'll get a quick hook more. That's where we start calling for Andre Drummond's, you know, like it was more like that's when that, I mean all that talk long time since been better but still deep Spence disappointing of Rob's and better and you still have a stretch like the fourth tonight where it's a little disappointed with him and then the mistakes we talked about but Daniel theis coming back tonight. I thought was the difference a seven and nine game-saving five finishes to close. The 4th is defense was phenomenal in that first quarter where they're shutting down the paint the double big lineup worked in a great connection with Tom now, he plays off-camber. Well, he plays off Tatum. Well, it gets them running and transition with good rebounds like this. He's been so underrated this year and I've called them a top-five player on this team and you know, we can talk all we want job. Rob and getting more minutes but there is no way around Thai spying 30 minutes every game like it's just a shoo-in because he's so good as chemistry is so great with the starters. You can fit so many different roles off. I mean, come on like this game was way more about Tyson Rob if we're being serious We are being serious. Yeah, I don't know. I think it is a hundred percent. I don't I don't see that at all. I thought oh, come on. Did you guys turn I think you guys turned off the game after the third quarter started setting up your computer's and just, you know came up and talked about the first three quarters because I was a disaster in the 4th. I absolutely think writing off a lot of what happened in fourth is perfectly. They would have lost if it wasn't for that description. I don't think they would have lost it that's but that's fine. You know, that's an ongoing. There's not the property like like Bridging the Gap to that same thing to that fourth quarter and yeah, obviously you don't want to see this happen on the red. But I mean you take those three quarters of Robert Williams and you say wow, like that's to get you to the 4th or two at least bridge the gap between the second Union and Thursday back to starters. I think you look pretty damn good up there. Now, I'm not knocking Rob I'm saying taste just doesn't get enough credit we go crazy about Rob every night but taste is built such a consistent. Okay was game that you know, he deserves a tough a credit coming back tonight. I feel like leaving the win. Rob was plus one taste was + 20 in this one. Now, you like plus minus cuz you don't like it all the time off. I think that just showed you what happened in the 4th, cuz Rob got nailed in the morning and close it down. Fourth quarter was a mess. I just think the expectations are completely different when we're talking about those two thousand and four Robert Williams. I mean granted entice obviously. He's he was missed in the starting lineup, right? But at the same time when we've seen this from from Robert Williams, it just offers that glimmer of hope that you die hard Rob Williams fans out there have been just hoping to see him play twenty minutes a night or at least be used more often. I mean, I think this opens that window or at least it's it's a it's been open, but now it's dead. Me to to you know, get bigger and bigger for him right now. All these opportunities fortunately for taste like that follow in the second or none of that would have happened know how nice of him to that was great until you give them that look like I got you. I'm just saying I mean we keep saying play Broadmoor play rug more play Rob more, but would you take a minute from Thompson? Sure. Go ahead. I mean at some point we could seat home and I think the general consensus here is Tyson's your most Dependable big man, and he's the one who does the most things most consistently Rob is electric and makes a ton of place. So you gotta find minutes for him. That's really the only conversation being had here. I do think if you started robbing played in 30 minutes a game you would see more of the warts and then you wouldn't want it. So at the end of the day, I think we're kind of falling in between where Jimmy saying don't have those. 91211.11 minute games because you're you're you're missing out on bench guys are at the end of the day supposed to provide spark Robert Williams. Does it almost instantly the second he hits the court. Yep. Single time so I actually like him they're coming in off of thys it was really mainly the the rod vs. Thompson debate here. And I do think that where it gets sticky is when you get Marcus back and you shift out and Thompson goes back to the bench. We saw that already happened before Marcus got hurt and it hurt Rob's minutes right away because all of a sudden you were like, how are we going to play this rotation it took off out of that early action. You weren't seeing him until the second quarter a middle second sometimes and you weren't getting impact from him during that little period of time. That's what I that's what I'd be worried about it and then the larger conversation, whether or not you can live with the rebates and that and that's it. So then the question is is that what you want and everyone you see it a lot in our chats. You see it in the videos. We put up on the YouTube channel. One of the big has to go, you know, like you can't you're not going to be able to play them all particularly if you end up trading for another then certainly you're going to have issues there. Yeah, for sure. I like rub Off the Bench. I guess the other thing fair to talk not fair certainly to talk about tonight. Kemba Walker clearly best game. It helps when Trey young as guarding your certainly but again, you know, perfect start to finish all game long. You consistently the best offensive. He's back Harry. I hope so like we've seen a week now a good consistent with what yeah, I can't say I am I the only one like John I guess I feel like you trying to find right now and you're just like me think I think this is three straight games now that he's like his old self. Yeah. Okay that Washington game was a great start for him and then he's continued to throughout the week and we're talking about what now like 60% shooting from him from the field, you know, finishing inside which he wasn't doing before that that finished through capella tonight was his encouraging as anything else like even more than that eight-point burst in the halftime. And so he's adding layers and layers. So what he's doing here, he's getting off the ball a little bit what you want to see the adjustments that he needs to make are happening quickly. And I know I was looking into his defense of numbers are still below average but I still feel like as we talked about the Jeff Teague and Pritchard situation on Wednesday. He brings you better defense than those two and he's positionally sound and he fits with all these other starters. So we're not a way that I mean we're talking about dumping this guy earlier in the year and I don't think that's even in the at like imagination now, there's so much better when he's out there and he's still adds so much to the steam Even Adam in a state. Yeah. No question. I mean, I think one of the biggest things I noticed tonight that I didn't see necessarily beforehand was the emphasis the point of emphasis of seeing the floor as opposed to seeing. How is he going to school? Like, I feel like beforehand it was like, okay he when he had the ball in his hand most likely he was considering how to you know, attack the defense or if he's going to pull up and this time around it seemed like he would just go with the flow the office whatever the team. Whatever the offense was was reading. I mean whatever the office agreed for the defense he was able to attack. He was attacking with confidence because he wasn't over since you got to the point where like when he's not a wage and he's scoring and it's not just you know, three pointers that he's relying on he's he's able to mix it up and find you know team-mates for good looks or or in transition buckets like that transition play with the ball didn't touch the floor and he the alley you you know up to I think it was Thompson or or Rob like those are the kind of plays that Kemba just it's a no-brainer because he is out there playing basketball and he's not over thinking like like that's the kind of Kimball out. You know, what we saw tonight was that was the camber that I remember from last season before the bubble or at least the the normal camera that Mark Waid money from that feedback is back much gone much closer to free bubble Kemba much closer to free time guys, and thank God. Hit the camera for me. Here we go. Hold on. Wait a second. I can't do it yet. John you should be joining. Come on. All right, here it is. I don't know if you're just before the season started I said on this show numerous times. I was worried about Kim Walker not to John's level were didn't want the guy to I don't want to amputate his leg, but I was very concerned that you weren't going to see Kemba Walker until March if you were lucky and that this team was going to be big trouble without them. Now. I was kind of right that they are are in big trouble without him. But you you seriously saw the difference between a team with Kemba Walker and without Kemba Walker Wednesday to Friday, right and not just came back but a healthy Kemba Walker the way they've managed his minutes the way that they've had them take certain games off on his way back with 33 minutes tonight 10 of 16 from the field. This isn't just this the first game is he's, you know shot well and scored points for them. I know that there's been some concern with his shot-making, but when you want to talk about his health, I think he's fully back how Health-wise, I would safely back. He's got to go back to back maybe but that neelix great. He looks good and I was wrong because I thought I assumed way way worse for the pain tolerance. And what was going to what he was going to look like coming back from the injury. He looks like Kemba Walker and tonight. He played like Kemba Walker. So that's my apology Camp first one of the Year. Probably the only one of the year, so don't be used. You know, what that was artist that was honest. There was no but sometimes they're clean apology. You would never get an apology and you know what? I also said I said, I would be happy to be wrong. I said, I would be happy to it was this apology that I'm happy to have I will co-sign with everything that you she said in terms of worried that the main concern was whether he'd come back as early as he did. The fear was that they were few words pedaling the injuries started job. I get about it done John said he prefers the ACL tear he was hoping that the heck. Yeah, you did say that as a cleaners by that. I will not apologize for that. It's better to clean off a comment saying that it's too soon for an apology. Listen. I've been holding off on this apology for probably wanted me to apologize like 6 weeks ago. So I don't think I believe I'm pretty confident in in campus Health apology is about his health. He looks healthy the new looks fine. I have no reason to believe that he's injured or playing her right now. So that's what the apologies for. I'm not saying. He's never gonna have a bad game that could still happen how they could train him next week. But for why I was wrong about was his health. I think he's healthy. Yeah, John, you can't pick John when you're ready. You'll get your neck. KO says John John's trying to hide behind my something know that anyway, wait a minute. You're a fish fan doesn't matter. What time did you want to bring? It does a lot of nice job. I mean I went in early on the Raptors and that actually turned out to be a mistake. They're bad and they just swept the box and now I gotta get back to the office to apologize for my van. You got the Raptors what I'm solved you have so many so many other things. Okay, so we'll get there eventually we'd have to have I came very close off Thompson very close on Thompson, but I'm liking what he's doing the last few weeks. I'm holding off. All right after like three days ago off. You are the wishy-washy this guy's confidence boost the tech so much different story. We've only gone to the text months on this show and that's always a dangerous game tosin are yeah, the bouncing stuff is settled down but I was closed their Raptors deserve an apology thing cuz they're back and they're right behind the Celtics apologizing for the apology. That's a new one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah just in Jimmy. I will say I'll clarify a linear apology sure. I'm not going to do it cuz everyone's going to light it up. I'm not going to be your good you can't do that with Keva Juice. So it's about the hell. It's it's more generative doesn't know what to say that but then you can't unfair it's about the treadle about about Thursday. Where he looks last last few games? Yeah, then again, I mean it's the end of the day. It might have beginning when we were saying about Kemba. We were saying he actually looks like it's moving. Okay just a shot not falling, you know, and that's what was the killing you which was like if the shooting percentage was a tad higher you'd be like, this is fine. We can live with this right now. He was just so brutal from the field and then you started get worried that like as he lost a stroke is he lost his confidence? He can't figure out what he wants to be. So sometimes you know, like I said is that's the that's a problem with Tatum with Campbell with guys like that. They have to have that Fu mentality and just let it and not pulling it, you know, and I like his defense too. Am I crazy about that? Cuz I caught some Flack on that online tonight. All right, you're not going to line them up one-on-one with a guy and expect him to dominate defensively but he always in the blue one. He's always in the right position. And so he's + 26 tonight. They had a top-five defense last year with him playing all those minutes log. I I'm just saying this isn't Isaiah Thomas defensively this guy can still bring it on that end. He hustles he's always in the right spots. He's never lost in the pick-and-roll. And again tonight. I thought he would had a fairly strong game for three quarters against Trae young until that starts spilling over into the 4th. So that too I think is a strength of his as well. So people saying it's too soon you have to understand like I literally didn't think Kemba Walker would even be playing right now. So like I was pretty wrong about that. So I should I think it's a fair apology like the guys putting up, you know, playing 33 minutes a game twenty eight points, you know sixteen like I was pretty freaking wrong about how I felt that return was going to go so, I don't think it was too soon again. I'm not saying here's Kemba Walker, you know, the MVP of the second half to say Hey, listen, if this this guy name is and it's healthy the way that we known to be the Celtics have three legitimate scores on their team. They just gotta figure it out. Yeah, I mean where I'm holding out isn't the reason I'm holding out isn't stubborn is my general Vibe is I'm worried that it surfaces at some point during the year. And so that's that's the fears. He doesn't make it clean through and you have to live with another shutdown and then him coming back in less than a hundred percent. So that's always a concern it's so it stinks to say you're not going to be satisfied with him until he makes you injury-free but we've seen it flare up too many times in the last 18 months 12 months to feel good. I mean you're talking about two times with shutdowns, you know completely off and then and then a really slow restart on that bubble just off this one injury. That isn't surgically-repaired in his something that doesn't is a management situation. So it's always a concern and so I always feel like we're going to take our breath your one day away from a oak Embers just going to take a couple of days off for and it's like, oh, here we go. So you don't want to see it because it would kill you. You have to have this version of Kemba Walker to have any chance that's dead. I think we're all in the same world the same boat there. You have to have the camera you signed or else this team's not going to go anywhere. Yeah, that's I mean anything could happen you could you could land on it weird or tweak it or something could happen. But I mean based on what I saw tonight. I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable making my apology at this point. I'm not saying John you need to or that he's completely out of the clear but I think it's pretty safe to say that I was I was wrong about where where I thought he'd be at this point in season. So Jimmy there too. I was worried we wouldn't see him until March, you know, like this this felt like a in mid-January will start talking about when to bring it back of a sudden he was practicing and he was playing so hats-off Kemba and you know, again a lot of people talk about this too if the if Stern Stern silver didn't off and so quick they might have been able to slip this one slip this one by us and may not many games. You might not have missed games and it might have just been like, oh just training it is on Pace and that might not have been an issue. But obviously a bigger deal is eight of it cuz all of a sudden they're like, hey, we're going to start camping Brands like yeah, you're not going to seek out by everyone was like, you know, so a lot of people out cuz they're like, oh definitely not for the start of the year so and wind up perfectly with that MLK day that was like right around the weekend. He came back in the end that they were expecting a lead to get started. The guy who deserved that treat them as we're seeing now is Romania, I mean this we're seeing like a week ago. He probably should have got going and he still hasn't done much of anything. So like he's a guy taking a little slow here and falling behind schedule for the Celtics not like they need them desperately and they they're going to let them take this time there, but there's really nothing on the Romeo front. They asked every week about him and we're almost in the March now with absolutely nothing on him. Yeah, you know things just me and it all it all comes down to the same Courtney Smith and it comes down to the same thing. You know, we keep saying the same thing you want to see these guys play because you think God The key to having a functional offense with the proper spacing is to have more weapons potentially more Shooters more people that can do multiple things out on the court. We're only on might not be that guy cuz I don't know what he's going to be like as a computer, but that's definitely why you want. Why why we want to keep seeing these Smith out there. What do you guys think after four or five snapshots now like that nice main thing is interesting to me. He's obviously at this point a rotation player. So like all of the stuff we were begging to see which was let it let him learn on the Fly and just put him out there. It's kind of happening and he's definitely earning his minutes with the hustle. He had a bunch of against same thing that chased out tonight and a lot of hustle plays a lot of deflections active hands on defense. He's freaking totally lost on offense man. I mean, you know, he's really scared. It was just scared to dribble. He doesn't know really what to do is instincts are still really lacking. I'm willing but you still want to see them play through it, but I am surprised like how long Little like a basketball player. He looks on the offensive end of the floor like Bobby you watch some of them in college was he just a catch-and-shoot guy? Did he do more things? We've seen him drive a couple of times. But like what do we want to see Altima know? I think this is something we're starting to see with him that we want. More of is that screen around Williams for his only make tonight into the three point at the top of the yard with rhythm plays, right? Exactly. Yeah, You don't want just like boom fire off the couch like Corner threes. That's your role. He's more of a movement even off the dribble kind of shoot her, you know one dribble around the screen that kind of stuff like drawing is activity Duncan Robinson. Remember all the stuff he did for the eight last year. That's what you wanted to see mimic a little bit nice that so that's to be the dream, right? Duncan Robinson would be that would be the boss historically good three-point you yeah, that would be that would be the co the usage the kind of semi ojeleye or like how how they're using semi ojeleye is exactly how they shouldn't use nice met that completely different kind off. shooters You know, I'm coming off of screens you want to mention that we actually talked about this exact same thing on draft night. We were talking about Bay though, but once or something eventually did grab Nesmith we talked about how may not that kind of score who can really put the ball in the floor and you know, sort of dribble through Defenders. He's more of a that kind of reddish or even like a buddy hield almost the way if you come off yeah month, but they don't do that. You're right like we had the one after timeout play where he got his only bucket then again, he's just standing in the corner, but that John you want him to be able to knock that down the quarter latest for you coming out of a timeout like that those but they can have to get them coming off screens a little bit, right Joe sway. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean I just yeah, he's still getting comfortable out there and am continuing to you know, remind people of that because I think just like U Jaan, they're noticing he's a little shaky out there on offense, but he's getting his reps in he's getting those looks I think that's what's most important and defensively if he can keep up. That's what To keep them on the floor and that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, let's go ahead. Sorry not his real quick. I just don't really think they're at the point where they're really concerned about getting him getting him, you know, putting him through play page him shot things like that. I think they want him out there open up the court for the you know for the Jays for Kemba and if if you can get open great take the shot have that, just to take the shop, but I mean to expect him to be running around like, you know Rip Hamilton or real and right now we're little little much. I'm just happy to see him getting some playing time. And I think the comfortability will will come back on you made a good comparison. I thought in our chat to to Avery Bradley and just like the timidness out there and obviously to two different players maybe Bradley was, you know known for his defense coming in a league, where as this guy's the complete opposite but similar in the sense where they're just kind of sitting back and watching and sort of letting letting the ball. I don't want the ball in my hands, right? Yeah, you get it right away and we did that last year's off. Also asked you Bradley to run the point he would get over half court first person. He'd see and he got his protective triple give it to him and then run away, right? Yeah. Yeah, you know who that remind me of last year off Langford Romeo remind me of the million. Yeah. Same exact thing man. I mean these guys, you know, the guys the guys played it almost as much as we have this season and then get rid of you see a game you see them knocked down like two or three in a row from the side the side jumpers with mid-range damage. They well, let's see more of that. Like that's what opened up Avery Bradley profits in the beginning. Oh and the backdoor Cuts Romeo to the exact same thing opened open back door cut off can cut you I guess the one thing you'll feel good about these guys. Again Nesmith is certainly playing hard on defense. He did have that one play where he got he got dusted early, you know, just found offense somebody top of the key. I forget who it was and you got you got blown by he's still a little bit sloppy and Ricci at times but he's working hard. I mean, he's really working hard and we saw video playing dead. Really good defense last year in the bubble. So that makes you feel better about their minutes. If and when Romeo ever frigging reattaches his hand. It's such a weird situation to you guys, And I'm ready never made it a shot. It's just totally like it's math that you stick in the bar always goes in that's what you would expect after layoffs like this for a wrist surgery. He got the surgery in the bubble. It was September same time, you know, how like you always like in baseball happy player without surgery in the reports. He underwent successful surgery like somehow this was unsuccessful. Like you're just waiting for like the report to come out where it was an unsuccessful surgery on Romeo Langford. His boss is no longer a part of his body and like that's worse. It's way worse radio silence here last thing though like about him. Sorry to cut you off. I mean every week off, Nothing new. It's just literally nothing. Okay. Yeah, he's he's he's shooting before a game. That's about it. So I do this for he's learning. Mm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean kicking the ball. This is weird. So we always talk about with the Celtics like how empowered the starters are like smart Brown what he's been able to do on the ball. Now when it comes to these younger players in the bench guys, there isn't that same level of empowerment the way we talked about the future and then you do whatever you want semi-gloss didn't play the same way. He did out of college and Ernie Smith. It's a little bit of a different more limited role here, and maybe it is because maybe it is because these guys don't adapt as well or aren't fit for those Rome at the next level. But over the last few years just a movement around the SARS and the involvement of the role players in particular. I was comparing this to 2016 when you saw solinger get posted. And Evan Turner hop on and off the ball and some of the role guys on that team and the movement that they had was just unbelievable in this year's just pick and roll space out to the sidelines catch-and-shoot the offense just really been kind of condensed in a way that I don't think it's been for the better and maybe it is the Personnel but I don't know we're seeing a stark difference from those eyes a wait Isaiah teams to the more recent teams where it's been more ice cream and just get out and space for the role guys. Yeah, well, I guess this is kind of time is kind of go go back to that style though Bobby. You know, like I feel like it's it's less it's more, you know, the boss on a swing more as compared to the young guys that we saw, you know, what five years ago like it was been a lot of their little 2016. Well Bobby to your point, I guess this is as good a time as any to bring this up. We did have good minimize on the Pod was on I'm sorry was a good friend Ryan podcast off with mache. They were they were talking about the Celtics and they in fact had Goodman had a talk to a player in NBA player who very recently played Celtics didn't name the player but had this to say so I'm going to play this clip for you guys cuz it plays exactly into what you were saying Bobby with the offense this year. So take a listen wage was asking him last night a little bit of his thoughts of the Celtics and he said Tatum and brown can't be your Superstars. Only do things that help their game. They don't get anyone else shots. All they know how to do is score doesn't help the Kemba. Kemba doesn't help their Center. They don't help anyone either. They don't turn down tough shots to get another guy an easy shot. So teams are off. To them. That's basically we said teams are on their own load up on those two and live with them taking long twos and that was to get No, John, where did you go? Last John? I can't. Oh, okay. I thought a few batches you usually is just yeah. Yeah, I got you. I was going to just let that thought. I was just going to agree with John. So J King afterwards was like that's really good Scouting Report there because it was talking about the kind of stagnation and every time you look at this as a gig on Tatum and brown, I think it's as much representative of just the lack of depth that they have around them in this feeling that these guys have to take it all upon themselves, but you're right the offense has become so much built on these guys generating their own and we've even set on the show like, why are they passing the Grant Williams, you know, but to the point that you know, when it goes bad sometimes is when you really notice it I'm like, wow, I'm Jaylyn didn't look up at all on that whole possession. He we were joking like he won't pass Danny Smith. He's right there. But I mean Jalen went through stretches. I mean, he did it on that stretch where he hit the yep. It's great that he hit him. But I mean he had a five possessions stretch there when the ball hit his hand. He was like, nope, not given up, you know, and he hadn't been touching it a lot. He didn't get a ton of touches tonight. But Tatum kind of the same way. He keeps wage of forcing the ball into the lane a little bit and turning it over but it has become a very predictable offense in that in that regard with those guys. Yeah, but that's exactly what we were talking about. When when we talked about when those guys are completely focused on getting the best shot not for them or just for the open guy or whether it's showing that they truly believe in and have often it's in that's when we see records being broken, you know Sugarhill Jala like that was that night Leslie talked about and I'm at the Garden. I'm like listen. This is a completely different team wins, Jaylen Brown and and and Jayson Tatum specifically Jayson Tatum when he says out to get there, so he's not how to get his like he's out to get everybody else has and he's like look, I'll get Minds, you know in due time involved with the offense like that's it and and I just don't I'm not sure these guys are confident enough in these guys though to make that an everyday thing. Like, let's be honest like do the job. You think Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are confident enough in these guys to do this every single night. I just don't think that's the case. Anyway, they can choose which nights are going to be the night to do it. I mean, obviously they're not going to just be stingy with the ball and other, New Jersey. They try to blend it in but of course you're going to see that balance, you know tip the scale depending on the opponent, but it does make them easier to defend because you know, like if it Tatum for example, that's why I'm running into so many guys out there. One of the reasons having a tough time getting to a Sparks have to get a show when they keep running guys out at them because they know that's what's going to happen. And then that's what the office comes you're sixteen seconds into the shot clock until Tatum realizes maybe I don't have this, you know, and then it becomes a scramble and you don't necessarily get a quality shot. But when that becomes your whole outfit every single time, they've had one dog games where you know record-breaking games or or whatever. It's always those 2728 assist games when they're whipping the ball around a lot more in their creative movement. They're definitely harder to defend their it's an easier team to defend when the ball is just sitting in one person's hands. Especially when you don't have the space that when you don't have Shooters facing the floor where there's a threat of if I am doubling this guy, you know, you're not going to pay for it. So you can sell out to to to to Define these guys and key on them and you're probably not going to pay the price there. Yeah. This isn't a new phenomenon going to Hero ball. Yeah. It's not for Tatum in particular. We're talking about him being the point guard this team effectively since the bubble. So he's been going through the ups and downs of that transition since then and I feel like he's in a fairly comfortable spot when it comes to that Brown's newer to the party in that sense. So I'm expecting them even more up and downs from him at that position higher turnover games like he had tonight and just a growing process of being that because those are the only two guys you trust effectively at this point being on that ball game camera to some degree at this point, but with his finishing issues and some of the other concerns we've talked about with him turnovers to for him, you know, you'd like to see him phased out a little bit in that role and more Jalen off. Tatum so like might there be bumps in the road or regular season stretch in terms of the facilitation abilities maybe but it's all the kind of stuff we've talked about to wear off who cares if they're the fifth seed this year just because they take a few extra Watts or the playoffs running. Yeah. Yeah. So I saw that Joe sway on Sunday or Wednesday rather against the Hawks. I saw them kind of phasing out some guys Grant Nesmith certainly has been phased out by them as ball-handler sometimes but I think it's the right decision because to the Players Point that they don't make teammates better. I disagree with that. I think theis is made better by those guys Rob probably. Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of everything and even I mean we've seen semi ojeleye be a little bit better this year to like in certain spots, but it does come back to the Personnel. It's all dead. Yeah. Yeah, like you give you give everybody some credit on all sides of it, right or mid Rose better. You know, well, this is the other thing too. What do you want? They were daring there wasn't their job to make grocery, but you're just trolling. I know. Yeah, the reason the reason that way they can better until they're gone though, right? It's like a me, you know, right what Russell look at Russell Westbrook's OKC team and everyone was like the triple double year and they're like, it's amazing what he's doing? He's got nobody around him. He had frigging sabonis and Oladipo, you know, like it's like and then they leave and then they're free, you know, it's like, oh well, maybe maybe too much rust was a bad thing. You know, like I'm not saying these guys are that it's not but with take off. I wonder we talk about it the other day there was he had one of those what we call Ben Simmons lines, you know, do you want to see more of those instead of 27 to 30 point games? Do you want to see more Ben Simmons lines of his home and ate and ate if he is running the point and maybe you know not shooting as my there's no way he's going to shoot so little that he'll score to that few points. That was a poor shooting night, but ultimately wage. Is that what you want to see more out of him Bobby more of a distributor and more of a you know, can it depend on his team-mates? I mean how many assist would we have had on Wednesday? If it was you know higher than 32% 3-point shot game probably closer to 10 instead of what he ended up having so like I don't think this is on Jason in particular is a facilitator. I think he's awesome. You see the hook passes. He makes the vision package as the pick-and-roll Iran's I gripe about his turn over sometimes 6 again tonight. That's what he has to clean up. But I don't think like this notion that he's just ball hogging and like going straight head down to the gym is the truth. Like I think he's making a concerted effort to disco ball around a little bit Yeah. So in most he's building his and he's just going towards the lane and those turnovers were absolutely forcing his way into the land almost all of those. So we gotta we gotta pick what we want here cuz in 2018, he got phased out by the Equal Opportunity offense down the stretch of the East finals and it was Maniac. Boston because they couldn't, you know Force the ball to him and have him take every shot. Now when you get into situations like the Detroit lost earlier this year where they're pepper in the ball around two grand smart and let anybody take the bank shots Lee wide open shots at that. That's a problem too. So like there can be problems with both Styles here. I don't know Jimmy. What do you what do you prefer Tatum on the ball shooting every single time or an equal-opportunity offense like we saw in 16 17 18 even The Superstar league so I mean I just want you to play to your Superstar strength. That's like a trip question. Right? Cuz it really depends on who I guess is around you if your if your Tatum with this team, I think he needs to be leading fifty Min shots. Use your he's your best Ross crop score. Right? I mean the problem is you have a guy like Kemba Walker who also needs shots and who also needs the ball. So in that case you kind of need him to play with that point roll at certain points. So I don't really know if I have an answer for which would you rather have? I think he's good enough to sort of be like a chameleon with the players around him. He's also still pretty young. So at the same time, he's still growing that part of his game. He's not a natural been since he's only nineteen. He's only nineteen. I think yeah, not even twenty yet. I know but Jimmy she comes down to his you just have those you can have the ball. I guess all the only what you want is him to have the ball but to make the right decisions and that's obviously subject. What is the right decision but you have those games where he set off. For fall aways and and and difficult contains who's way too often and you have other games where he's burying and he's trying to force the issue. So ultimately someone who has a feel for the game, you know, and he does but as he continues to get that is going to do less of the bad things and more of the good things. That's what you want to see but you know, we don't no reason to excuse those games where he is clearly addressing the issue agree, right really so you just want to make all the make more right choices, I guess. Yeah, you you don't you really don't want when you really don't mind trying to form bad habits, and I think that's actually a really important aspect of like Danny ainge's style of rebuild here has not been at least with these guys not been to just put a shity team together. Like he's constantly has good players around guys like tan and brown so they aren't really allowed to just turn into like, oh, I'm just going to take the ball and take 25 shots and not by defense and and not also back like there's always been dead. Warford or Kyrie or a Hayward or whoever around them to sort of I'm not going to mold them but to keep them in line and to like help them, you know sort of follow the correct trajectory of money coming in NBA superstar not taking shortcuts or not becoming like a player who just focuses on you know, twenty eight points a game and doesn't do anything else. So yeah, there's going to be bumps and bumps and bruises along the way but I still think these guys are on the right path to being complete players and really that the end of the day that's that's where you're looking for is pertaining to be a complete player and there's a handful of them in the league that I'm not going to ever compare anyone to LeBron but a complete player in the sense where you can rely on them to score past rebound play defense, right? So, I think that's where they're headed. They're obviously not there yet. That's and that's why it's so hard to like, right and that's why one hand. We're frustrated by like the production in the wins and losses on the other. It's like these guys are still relatively young and like they're dead. Best years are multiple years away like so it's it's a hard balance. I guess that's what you wearing balance holding him to the standard of what you would want a number one in a way what you want a top ten player to be you're holding him. You see right? You see, you know, jokic come in here and you're like that guy literally does the right thing every single time with the ball, you know life. Yeah. I know. It's a plastic pot. But look and again we keep referring to that ESPN top 100 top 50 players thing jokic was 10th and we're like dozen there and then you watch them and you're like, oh, yeah, he freaking does, you know like you want them to be literally a top three top five MVP candidate every year, you know that he's in the league because that's that's what you need to be an alien ship team. He's not yeah, it doesn't mean it's a bad player. He's still a great player, but you got to get to that next level you want him to be nearly perfect with his decisions and all cut out all the stuff the why he's held to a different job. And he's held to the standard that you want a top-five top-ten NBA player to be that's that's right. Any criticism of him is just that he's not they're not that he's not good. Okay, I think people often I agree right but I think that's the next step in the question though. Like that's the next step. It almost reminds me. It really reminds me of a young LeBron. Like remember that was the huge part of the Browns game. We had to get down how to be more of a playmaker how to make his team better because his team was in strong enough that you know, he was a shoo-in to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals, you know, like obviously this is a different situation because you know, the broad didn't have a guy like Jaylen brown, but I think the biggest difference here for for Jayson Tatum was that obviously he had the experience of going to the East Conference Finals. So many times as a young as a young player and now that you know, it is quote-unquote his team. He has to sort of figure this thing out and sort of divvy up the touches with someone like Jaylen Brown. So it's a tough. It's a it's a difficult transition into that role, but I'm not worried about em, I just think that's the next step in his in his in his progression here and definitely two more trips to the free throw line to like that's another big part of this when when the ball swinging more often and he's looking to get guys better looks or if that's a priority. He's getting shipped to the free throw line because some of that ball swings back, you know, he's getting pummeled or he's getting a great open look a high-percentage shot. Let's be honest to did we may expect him to be a point guard in this legal point forward the fact that it's already happened at 22 is unimaginable. I like I always thought he had like nice secondary passing skills and Elaine Duke. I saw a lot of that from him in college, but on the ball pick-and-roll spread the ball around off the dribble at 22 at the rate. He's done in the playoffs. No less five assists a game, you know, 20% assist centage ikeys ahead of schedule in that regard. So to look at him and say oh this guy is a flawed lead guard for a team like it's just way too early to say that and I know this massage, He makes a long the way but the whole package is enormously effective but wasn't the fault of making the East finals last year Tatum on the ball leading the offense spreading it around running the track role. I mean, that's what got them there and there were mistakes along the way they went seven games against Toronto varsity because of those mistakes, but it was still him in the end that got it done. Maybe to John man. He's like finds the one player that's like an like absolute Savage in the Joker and and you know trash is probably the moment. We're not jokic we made Durant comparisons and we did not unfair it is unfair But ultimately again, you're talking about you want him to on a level where you're talking about an in the vein of those suckers. That's it. He's got a long time to get there. Yeah, you know, yes, I know. I mean, you know, what? Are you really trying? Yeah, that wouldn't be a gray for it to happen. Now, you know wage heading into this is the second season. I know he's young but this is seasoned at this point, you know, like yeah, I don't think it's ridiculous. I don't think it's ridiculous. It's two years. I mean in that position, like I said Luke Luke has their Luca was there in 20 games, you know, like, well you look at guys like Luka Booker's another like lobster dinners career if like seems awful teams, I mean So that's a that's a good this year though, you know you get the opportunity to Tatum was never on the ball as a rookie or second year in the league ever. Yeah. I mean he wasn't asked to take on that role but I think that's easily you could not like I was the first two seasons like I think it's part of his game that he's he's expanded on like on a level that we've overlooked or at least an hour time. It kind of goes back to what I was saying though is that these Celtics teams have not allowed like a guy like Tatum to just take over from one year to the Leaky. There's always been star players along the way and this is Faith or like last year was the beginning of him sort of taking over and being the guy but even then you brought it in, but so like again like there was always players veterans and established stars in this league that have I'm not going to say anything that they've done negatively for data. I think it's helped him. It's just helped him grow as a player maybe not at the speed that we would have seen, but also, maybe he's making Less mistakes or maybe he's more of a polished player because of the players that he's played with along the way and I don't know. I mean we'll never know I guess but that's that's the way that's the route that that change took. That's the way it's going to be for an immigrant. Okay. That's just the way we all agree. He's good enough to be the best player on a championship team or else we wouldn't even be talking about that as aspirational. I don't know that yet today. No, I don't know. Why why were they they were popular pick in the bubble to go a long way. I mean that doesn't exist without what he was doing not before the bubble started what happened in the things changed within the bubble that that made people say. Well, wait a second. Can you play like crap Tawana was playing like crap and the Celtics looked good and they had Hayward clicking and they had Kemba back and everything looked like it was clicking on all cylinders. So they were fashionable because they were streaking Miami was a popular pick to because they were playing really well as also log Fact the teams the two best teams were playing the best men in the Conference Finals. So I mean they and obviously hey, we're getting hurt really, you know kind of derailed that and I still think they go to the final favorite place. But I mean that was a different team is packed. The easiest path will ever get yeah my point my point throughout the cell is that Tatum's done it at the highest level at this point. So there's things to clean off but the assessment that he can't be or we playmaker best player like that. Whoever Goodman talked to said is just so wrong. I I yes I get it. I still want to All right. Let's see. I don't know the taste valve on a trip team yet. I think he has to clean up a lot of things to be your true leader meeting but when the balls of his hand you should almost never worried that something you can't be perfect. But he's going to be making the right play more more often than not and always doing the right thing and he's not all the way there yet, but you're right. It's year one of trying him in the point forward sort of role. It's a different kind of role for him. And again, it's it's different Personnel. So he's adjusting to that as well. But again, the only timer on a consistent level was that crazy stretch before the All-Star break last season like that was the you know, when he had the Bonnet and you're like, okay, they're going to be our job. That's a good point. That's a good point. That was back before the season ended was that hot stretch that he was on right before it was under lockdown system and that was crazy because all that was like that was kind of like early-season Jaylen almost unsustainable hot shooting but like you I never thought he was going to miss you age. You were like go ahead take the step back from 30. He's gonna hit it. He was unconscious you will you will about a year ago. Yeah play with a ridiculous Swagger. So that's the thing is you can be two things here right now with that version of Tatum, which is like an absolutely just Assasin scorer, which is I'm going to take any shot anytime a nephew. I don't care and then you kind of just your job. Stat or you can try to be the complete player. That's the point forward that's working the ball around moving it, you know and trying to do different things. So it's kind of you know, like I said, they're asking them to do different things here on a different team where the ball is spread out and one team can't put all it's also this year. All the attention is on him, you know even last year when you're playing the three wings and you have camp out there all the intent you can't put all the attention to Tatum. He's gotta be one guy. He almost never can do that anymore. And I think that's one of the reasons why he's not he can't go through one of those unconscious stretches like you did before you look at like tonight against the team that is really playing. Mm. Yeah, it's it's hard for him to do it now. So they're making it harder for them. And I think that that and that's why we're not going to do a whole trade thing the night but you need better teammates for a nice to meet ya better around him guys that can play make off of them and clearly we want to see less of that from Kemba. So what kind of guys could you get in here that could help in that regard a better Wings to knock down shots Iraq. M-make. I stay home on the perimeter instead of clogging the way and even a real a better big man. Possibly. We've talked about vukovic or 8:30 tonight. I was talking about this month. What about we liked Collins Collins years ago. Yeah, I subscribe to Collins that was bad, you know, but Myles Turner the league in blocks for so long. So that's something I said. No, I don't remember. I forgot Collins. I forgot he was out there tonight. But I do remember they mentioned the stat was actually was TNT last night who leaves in blocks Myles Turner still need to leave still doing this thing. Well, that's that's going to be speaking of apology. Can that's going to be Bobby's budget camp at the end of the year where they're playing the Pacers next week. We'll leave that for then cuz I want to get in that but I still have a whole explanation for you know, that wasn't the move. Oh, I'm sure you do you do well let you explain away. But that's a teaser for next week getting back to Collins though. Yeah. It was it's funny. Obviously, we don't we're not watching hockey games regularly and when you when you when you see or hear about a guy like Collins and rumors, and I'll be such a great guy, but it sucks to get and then he puts together like one of those come on probably of his of a seated know just makes you wonder like okay. Well, what was all this hype that we were worried about? You know how frustrating is this guy to see? Yeah exactly inconsistency. I don't know. This is the problem and again our man here. Who's who's here? Every single game. We appreciate it. It's the money is the money nice. This is exactly the comment and thought what we said the other night. He's a nice player, but holy wow, this is white Laramie. This is why Atlanta's like I who wants this guy? Cuz they're not going to do it. They're not going to pay him. They said they're hoping somebody else bites and they get something here cuz they don't they don't want to Max this guy out and it depend of a red flag right when when a team is willing to to just trade a guy that they could have first, you know dibs on right. I mean gotta be a real at least somewhat for that. I mean it's depends. Yeah, his defense has been a massive mark on him throughout his career and that song has been a disaster of a defensive unit. I know John was high in them coming in this year, but they can't figure out that end of the floor and Clint capela hasn't helped all that much. He's been more of an offensive Force for them. So Collins, I mean last yep. I remember when the Hawks and Celtics will play this guy's like 6 9 skinny, they'd have met Center out there against you know, much bigger players who were able to dominate him on that side of the floor and again Thursday night. The Hawks were really bad on that end. So that's the mark that scares people off on him. But he's twenty-three does upside the offense has been proven even if he had a bad night tonight. You still look at his stats on Thursdays and they're fantastic. He had 20 on Wednesday. And the question you have to ask when they making moves here is what kind of move can you do to set up, you know a future core because I. Do you wanted Hayward to remain part of this Corps for years to come? They run like Farm? Yeah. Yeah. Well Barnes is older vukovic solder Collins is 23 and he's been a bad team his whole career. That's why I say forget the money you're paying someone. Who cares about the money? I mean throughout the tax and the trash let's go. I mean Wick you get to take a break from it this year who cares? It's no matter what they put in their vukovic. We all like Buju that's going to be tax big money for the next couple of years. People are talking about how Horford now that's going to thrust you into the tax big money for years to come whatever they do to upgrades going to make this team extremely expensive. That's why not spend on a young player who has growth potential. I don't care about the tax if you got the players in your roster that you want don't like what are the alternatives to Collins. I we can talk Turner we can do that forever. Maybe that was the right move with that money and it was certainly cheaper than Collins would be at this point, you know, we would have liked Hayward back but those things are all in the past. So what's available now, what's in front of them? I think Collins is probably the best option there. I'm not some of my nose Abuja Vicky that cuz he is going off in a way this year. That is just undeniable. I don't know. We're back where we are. We're you know, this will this will sort itself out we can't do the tpe talk every single show because this story doesn't change a ton. But you know, we know what the team needs I think internally the fixes first of all, you you need internal fixes, which means you need help you need to figure out your identity. You need to play defense every single night. It would be nice to know what you have in some of the players will try to work in here. So you want to see you know, Nesmith continue to evolve Romeo to finally get on the court and figuring out you know, how it's all going to work. When you have all of your players out there life that the core here is going to drive it. I don't think who they use the tpe on the tpe is going to help bolster things ultimately, but this team either pulls it together or you're looking at a you know, first or second exit. I mean Danny said at the other day, they're not, you know, they're not a championship team right now. So it doesn't mean they can't start playing like one, but you gotta see more from these guys. And it's possible. We've seen them at their best play of brand of basketball that I think could compete with almost any team out there just have to do that. That sounds the consistent to consistency factor and it's again, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that like, they haven't had their fair share of injuries this year. They have whether it's covered or whether it's smart, you know, Richard Brown whoever Kemba obviously wage, you know, I really want to see this team fully healthy and then get a good judgment of you know, what what what they actually have their I don't know if that's going to happen, but hopefully they can get you those games together before the playoffs start seeing get an idea or really before the trade deadline so you can try to get a better sense of where do they really need to improve on assuming they're healthy and off. I know we talked about things we talked about wings and I'm sure those are the two main priorities. But again, it's just a matter of I think what what John says is true, you know, you have to fix home. Internally what's been going on with this team? Because the talent is much as they're much more than we've seen to the point where they should not just be one game over 500 types of we all know that yeah, right and I think of course the the the lessons of the course of the regular season and all that stuff and the ins-and-outs of all that I just think at the end it's which teams going to be tougher mentally, you know, like I mean, yeah sure the the Seventy Sixers they didn't they were they had injuries last season, right? So of course something's you know within the most challenging series, you know, you you look at them every playoff series though. The Sixers are have always thought you were supposed to do it. Right? Like that was the year, you know, they they got out and came out of the bag of cash and and you know, Benson wasn't wasn't healthy, but he'll supposed to be the year. So, you know, you you passed them you get to the box office, you know, or excuse me. Yeah, you get to the bugs and and granted like I just think the something's were just a better cohesive unit and they just had that down that chemistry, but the other teams have gone better now dead. And Raptors record wise or we're talking talent-wise what chemistry wise? I mean, I think Celtics maybe they had the edge and and then in that aspect of of they have that familiarity with the storm five at least but for the most part with that second unit, I just think between now and then you just have no idea what the what what it's going to look like and you can compare it to the to the same team you were talking about last sneezing and at the end of day at seven games in the seven-game series, like I just think the Celtics they're going to learn a lot about themselves. And and I think that's a good thing. Like, I don't think this tpe thing is going to be what ultimately wage makes it breaks this Celtics roster. I think it would be bigger than it's pretty important though and all the points you say they're valid but when you come into a season losing a starter and don't replace them at all, yeah back in 5 results like this and this that's been a massive part. They've been searching for that fifth starter. They've written I think 16 different starting lineups this year this like everyone else This is why we keep going back to the I mean not not based off of Turner's performance only this year, but why it was worth getting almost anybody in here, even if they were fifty to sixty percent of what you were losing versus nothing and the nothing was the killer, you know, and again, so again the trail, you know, you don't date you're looking at that sign that Jeff nice. I like oh for Thursday night. He's a lot guys. Don't worry about it. Whatever it was, you know, and again I was whatever it was it basically comes down to the trade comes down to Thompson and the tpe versus what you could have gotten at that time on now and so we'll see he might pull a rabbit out of his hat with that TP, but it's going to cost you a few more things. But yeah, you're right what Bobby said you left with nothing, you know, you keep losing you've lost faith how many assets for nothing, you know every night every where you've lost Kyrie Horford, you know, even Rosier, you know for and now Hayward. Yep. Nothing, really really cool now though right done like those other ones didn't really hurt him to the to the point where you were like all these things in trouble, you know, he was able to slip under out cuz you're like we still got these guys we said they all piled up on the temple Walker fell on his lap, you know like that. Yeah, and Tyson Tyson was playing as well as Horford for a fraction of the money. So here we go. It felt okay, you know, if you got that that's true. Yeah, that's how we're looking for on this what that felt okay there and then canberra's Kemba supplemented Kyrie. So you're right you got away with that Terry there wasn't space for him. Anyway, so you were fine with it. But that Hayward was I really think obviously the Tipping Point loss and how many Celtics fans were just kicking him out the door. I hope that thinking about that now, like I said, I thought he was worth the thirty and not to keep saying it I would have overpaid and I don't care. I think he was I think you were better overpaying and having him than risking not if it was a what if it was even up and it was all staged. 4:30 or go there for thirty. Absolutely. They should have paid him, you know people viewed him as getting in the way of the Jays but he was actually going everything together looking back on it like he wage to make glue guy with his passing an ability to score on and off the ball. He was awesome hear his defense. It's it was less than people wanted in terms of injuries, which I get the frustration where that came from home. But in terms of what Hayward was on the court, it was undeniable the kind of impact he had and they really succeeded in the playoffs and spite of that. It wasn't all we're better without Hayward. It was wow, they really suck rallied and played much better without him because there are still missing a lot there. But you know now they gotta make the best of it. They're missing a big piece and Joe slay brings up the rest of the East. Another reason I look at this and say not all of this can be internalized cuz the rest of that East really is so good Philly and be dropped fifty tonight the Bucks. I know they've been streaky but they still scare me and then Thursday last night just clean up the Lakers like nothing. I I read Harden who who are the who are the Nets? I don't know who they are. I don't get it. You don't know who they're going to win the championship game. I really do. Yeah, really? Yeah. I know you're hanging out with older people but it's the ship you could say. I mean I was so wrong about the 22in do with them that I said to start the like I thought they were going to be like Warriors level. I thought about... Story of Bobby season, you know, but I don't think they're going to win at all. I mean I love back on this man. Who do you guys have one dog? My Lakers. Yeah. Listen. Listen, it's Lakers are legit the natural urge it I mean it's not going to be easy to beat them. But I'm I'm not betting against LeBron until somebody gives me a reason to I'm begging something happens with the Nets Health Wise, which you can't predict the business office a bad health. No. No, it's fair. Sometimes tearing ACL says a good thing know what I'm saying? What I'm saying is just I mean at the end of the day Kyrie's missed massive chunks of time over time hard to see if they Davis artist, you know, yeah, he's out to harden is not in shape a bacterial infection and Kelly's. Yeah and and Duran, you know still scares me even though he's been un-freakin'-believable. I mean you want to do apology can hear me saying Durant's going to be 7 a.m. Presented a player of might be the absolute one. I'll do here because again, there's newer don't talk about it. You know one comes back from Achilles at that age the same guy and he is un-freakin'-believable right now. So something about the bestest bestest 7 Series seeing the same team over and over again. I don't know man. I don't know if I'm going to say this is going to impact but I just think it's going to be tough for for Kyrie sometimes to get through that. I don't I don't know man. I just think Kerry has been the same since since it'll be the same in in the Play-Off series said leaving the Proctor John but not going to be that the Nets are going to be that team that they can they can get a bio guy on top of who who are they already have that they're going to share up their roster there deep like they're they're going to be the team to beat out of the East. I think we all want listen. We we all want the Celtics in there, but I think if we can't beat them like wage Here's next is going to would be one hell of a one-of-a-kind. It was pretty good. Even though they were both short-handed. That was an enjoyable game. Yeah this one right now, Okay, you guys know what the with the inevitable is write another chapter in celtics-lakers rivalry. I want the inevitable now, but something a lot of be a blast that'd be a bus. I would just be I would be stunned at this point if if the Celtics made it to the NBA finals and such a great opportunity for that. I hope we don't look out back on the last year as a massive missed opportunity weather because of how this feels nice finally when I smoked by the sneakers anyway, so no, but you could also look at it like John did and say if Hayward was healthy there that team had a real shot and it just stinks the way things piled up in the end there. No, I don't think we have tried but you know, I get to be to be honest, but I just isn't a tow Jaylen Brown and then be able to smoke they smoke the Lakers December and the garden like I still keep thinking about that then they gave them a run for their money when you guys wrote their wage. He played that team really well when they were healthy. Yeah, but who's going to take care of Anthony Davis? Like I just think Anthony Davis have been real. It's just it was going to give them a run off Williams Because if you could say that a bio like that's any Davis is what times to maybe that time too. But you know what I'm saying, like even though nobody just way nobody can contain and that's the thing is like there's no reason to say the guy who can stop embiid. I don't think even like the guy the guy doesn't exist wage. I don't think you compare what happened the River Street in between songs and Lakers which literally like months before, you know, the postseason because of the stoppage cuz there was just the Lakers were completely different team like even from the beginning of the bubble come back to the playoffs. They they they changed they transformed to the team that needed to be the championship team. They needed to be like humans mobile first started people worried about the Lakers know how this team might be show smoke and you me an image. Like, you know, it's the Lakers and John John I know for a fact did not believe in Lakers last Clippers. Yeah, all that Clippers collapses mind-blowing and I don't know how that although their life signs of it round one when they almost lost to Dallas. I love it though, Doc Rivers. Coverage exists because he's the type of guy who can handle super star players. And then the death of LA Clippers ended up being that he took gave the Superstar players too much Superstar treatment. Give me a freaking break, you know, like yeah that was ridiculous. I was totally on the George just died the players. They just folded it up wage was it was disgraceful Paul. George was so awful, but goes back to what would often it goes back to where I was saying like sometimes the sometimes the coach is the first one to go. You're not going to trade off players away might not be the coaches fault. But if the players tune them out for whatever reason she needs to be made. It doesn't mean. Can't coach clearly he can I mean he's doing his thing in Philly and he's been perfect for that team. So that's like difference between Phila this year. I bet that open do Jaan. I was excusing. I was excusing him. Like he went out there to be the guy who could deal with these type A guys and then they freaking it always only works until it doesn't you know you want it was like Francona and his last years with the Red Sox having a player's coach is great until all of a sudden you lose complete control of everybody and then it's like, oh there was no discipline here people were doing whatever they wanted. There was resentment initially coaches ripping shaft with the players after a loss Works me too though, cuz we bring bring me the freaking Fried Chicken baby. You you guys win it. Why was never going back to Toronto life too which is disappointing for all of them. But the Raptors did give him things that aided him in a championship run in a great way and then he took that and brought out to LA and yep. Treated that team like they were the championship Raptors and they just coasted on you know, George took on that Persona like he had one even though it was just by association and the whole team eventually did the point where it's just so off of days ago that you slip on a 3-1 lead and that that brought up questions about both Kauai and George of course and we'll see how the answer at this year. They've been awesome. We even saw how they lost to the Celtics in a few weeks ago. She was a great massive collapse Jimmy. I put this comment up here you remember we were at this game. We were in the locker room when we asked I asked I asked Anthony Davis about this the office and Rob and he gave a good answer. He was like, yeah, man, I totally didn't think I remember that game. We were talking about who stops Davis so it's an interesting comment Davis went up thinking like I got this clean and Thursday. Well, Rob didn't know it takes the shot out of the sky and then he did it again and I asked him in the locker room afterwards. Like were you surprised and he was like hell? Yeah, John John has a dog. Williams jersey is someone send the, I was just going down in the locker the night. This was one of those few games. He got to play and he just literally gave us was like, whoa, you know, like right after after that question first games out but normally players are like, yeah, whatever man I'm freaking Anthony Davis took could have been a pro shop but his answer was like no man. I was really impressed. Like I did not think he could get up like that like like like like, you know, you see that you saw that too, right? Yeah. Nobody could watch is Rob and it's like, oh that's not impressive like you watch this guy and it's just like holy crap. This guy could be the best center in the league. Yeah, but he goes he goes 27th in the draft. For some reason. You're like why that happened and then you he's on the bench all game and you're like why why is that and there is just something there that prevents him from like reaching his potential honestly eager. He's like I want to do everything you know off. To block every shot. He wants to get out there. He's just you know, and so if he but when he slows down sometimes it's a little too slow. He he's gotta find that right gear and kind of stay there the whole time. He's he's sometimes too fast sometimes too slow but it's all there every tool is in the shed, you know, even shooting like you when he gets his big blind jumpers and he spells footer look good, you know like wage and it looks like he's so close to being a complete player but you're right. There's something just a synapse not firing. There's something missing there, you know and in health too, they always seems to be lingering how things with them. And so I think we're all collectively like just praying that this guy can become his potential because it would be so exciting. It would change the name. Yeah, but and it has been a slow Progressive Improvement like The Arrow has gone, you know, maybe not straight up but it keeps going up year after year with him. Just how long can you wait wait, he might be shades of of another Rob dead. New englanders are very familiar with Rob Gronkowski. Maybe it's similarities there in the in the athleticism dominance at the position eagerness. Somebody said he's like excitable puppy. How long did it take drunk might have right away. It was ahead. Oh, yeah, there's like no that's because he had a 12 throwing the ball and he and he got that playing time right off the bat. So he was amazing. They had this other tight end who was incredible too. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, we thought he was I thought it was a better player as well. It was until you're through that. He completely took off. Yeah, that's true. Second-year. Yeah. I can hear you had 17,000 have 10 touchdowns his rookie year. So 07 gets remembered because they were undefeated even though they lost 11% remembered cuz they lost again, but that team was dead. We look back on that team and the offense especially they were loaded. Yeah, Bobby Punk kids. Yeah, you don't talk about the two years. They lost that's going to talk about no doubt about the second one where they should have had it again, but she had your out. The year after 18 at 1 Brady went down. I mean that would have been the year they were doing they were definitely going to go undefeated that year olds who 11-5 with castle with Castle is leading the who is leading the defense and eleven John cuz that's what Screwed them the the the team they were I think they were down a good quarterback. Then took a look good Corners then I wonder if that was Patricia too or was he later? Cuz he obviously blue the Eagles one was just awful defense Belichick. I don't know if you Trisha was still there with With the Giants because you didn't you didn't have a lockdown corner there. You still had Devon might have been playing more cornerback and Kyle Arrington was your other guy because he was they didn't have a great secretary. You did have Wilfork you had Ninkovich you had met. Oh, so you were decent upfront Andre Carter, I think was pretty good then but secondary was the secondary was not great and that was an issue with that team. I mean that team wage a great regular-season team either that team they were thirteen and three but they looked flawed. It just didn't didn't have that great Belichick thing for years. Yeah. Those were the years. They were just relying on offense, right? They all suck really bad on the defensive backfield. I felt like you had that gap between Asante Samuel and Darrelle Revis really where they didn't have that locked down corner. So you were always worried when the other team had the ball that they were they were going to run it up home field for you. I mean, no the next one was I watched his name it was it was yeah, they had there was locked down and they're nasty. Yeah, and then you got Rivas and then after that it became light off. That's around the time it click for Belichick, which is like oh cornerbacks are more important than pass-rushers and they got really deep in the backfield there. But that I remember those teams you're always like when the other team had the ball young. They're just going to throw it. I mean they're going to complete if they're going to get they're going to complete certain long every time it was a really stressful feeling being a Pats fan and that would only reason they need the suit defense defense. The only reason they made the Superbowl that year was cuz the Billy Cundiff. Yeah, so that that person when we deviate off of Celtics, we kind of lose we lose the plot a little bit so we are going to wrap it. It's been quite awhile weekends on Sunday. I can just fun. You dry. Nice Jimmy. I don't know about Sunday. I don't know if I commit to that one. I'm moving stuff out of my apartment a month. She's not dead just talked about we did there was a you know, it's not to go on the negative on it. But are you guys know we have seen we still not want him to play all the time but printers been ice frigging cold, which I'm asking me for 3 in that what was up with that Jimmy cuz we're trying to have fun man. We're up thought were watching the game. So let's drop twenty-five and you're like Richard's sister groups. Is this the green? You can't point out negative things. Look at look at Bobby calling you a homer took over. It was it was hardly hardly that point Nicks make me a homer kab Milo. Jimmy gets hit with the internet. We have a green tea Morecambe. We have one already dead. So I'm not I'm certainly not going to be on it. But I had to I had to come up here that Jimmy for that. I'm not defending Pritchards play. I was just saying listening like the one thing you felt like tweeting on a gaming Five Points. I was like, wow, you must be fun at parties. I thought that was a funny toys. I bought a few lights on that to eat dog. And if you're watching this show right now go back to the tweeting him get hit that like button cuz that was a funny tweet. That's funny how the dynamic shifts on this show from time to time is for the booty. Well, the one thing all right, let's end it on a positive note ready remote timeout demo. You can talk about Pritchard. I'm totally fine with you know, my Pritchard thing is I don't care if he goes. Oh 47048. I like his energy. I like his Vibe. He's our he's right. Now. He's still in my opinion still the most defendable bench player. Meaning I feel confident when he's out all the time, even if you don't get results, so I I'll live with the upside down to Pritchard. He doesn't you're going to have nights like this even though he's cold. All of those are decent shots. He's taken he's, you know, I'm still comfortable with him with the ball in his hands. He's dead. And hard I have no problem with the struggles. It's going to happen. That's that's my vibe on it. It's not even a negative. I think I'll look at the leash on Pritchards from home two nights ago Alternatives, Jeff Teague two nights ago. I said, I don't care if he has 5000 keep them out there. I'm I'm with John one hundred percent like whenever he's doing out there is a plus on either end of the floor. So I'm not trying to put up a goose egg every once awhile. Yep. So what what I will say is where we want to end on a super positive is what was the best thing that happened tonight that we didn't talk about say it Bobby what how about this? What didn't happen tonight? Oh God. Is it about Grant? What did we yes, we did not see Brant or Jeff. There it is. Yeah, that was a given huh? It's almost like some stuff with Brad Stevens. He hears it off the game. And again, like I'm not saying he's watching the show but like sometimes he does get ask the questions after and it's like, oh jeeze. That didn't go well and then they shift away from it which like I'm not saying reporters are giving them the idea but he knows and second-guesses some of the decisions he makes because man was Teague a disaster out there and he did not belong anywhere near the court tonight. And nor for the future. I mean, that guy is just about it. Let's not forget Kemba Kemba play tonight. You didn't play yet Wednesday. So obviously there were some minutes that needed to be distributed last game. So I think that that's pretty much going to see Teague right games where cama can play and they need some, you know, some spare minutes, but the point is maybe not even when smart comes back, you know, right? I know and that was pretty had five. So I mean it really was like a performer. Dorian perfect shitstorm if you will of allowing T to play at that point in the game, so, yep, and you're right John Grant generally doesn't seem to have a role here when they're young You remix healthy, you know. Yeah, I I switched ice was out with the finger for a couple of days. So Grant kind of slipped back in there. I'll be at late in the rotation. But when Ty says out there in the three bigs are playing, you know, well as they did tonight there's no role for granted out there not you know, I I feel Grant is the guy Brad brings in when everything else sucks, you know, when all else fails he's like, let's try Grant. How long to get worse, you know? Yeah like that Warriors game and it doesn't act like last such as Grant open up that has Biggs you really don't have to worry about I think obviously that's enough a grant sort of situation there when you have you're not bringing them out there against capella. I mean, you know if he would have eaten amazing too is is he seemingly past Rob in the rotation at the same time. The playoffs they're right. And now he's he's so far behind their God. Yeah gone. So again all the T Gators the amount of disproportionate hatred on greatly impact 4 minutes again lowering fruit. It's still hang up and say, oh, I know let's just hate on T because that's easy to do to come on you guys are better than that could be a little black but everyone was happy for it. So yeah. Yeah, Jeff Teague did not play everyone can chill out. We will wrap it. We've been going about ninety minutes here. We're back on Sunday, maybe all of us will see them but you know will will will prompt no boring tomorrow 2. 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MIL/POR; ATL/CHA; BRK/PHX

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

49:36 min | 2 years ago

MIL/POR; ATL/CHA; BRK/PHX

"Happy election-night everyone, and it just had a long pause because I don't have anything to add on elections. What's over on the show because my opinions on politics is not why you listen. We do have some solid games to get to a chance to lock it. Only a four game that I cannot like these Tuesdays early in the season. Even if it's not the greatest games in the world because there are few gains or four rooms were able to watch most of all those games, and it's some teams that aren't necessarily that's like too. But those teams I think early in the season it's important to catch up on. So that we could then avoid having to watch them when they're taking later in the year. But to teams that I do not anticipate will be taking any point in time this season, Milwaukee and Portland. This is an excellent game. Just overall in terms of the quality play the Portland pulled away late to take it one eighteen one zero three behind forty from CJ McCollum Daimler actually had thirteen in this game. Mccall was on fire. Torching the box in mid range Jaanus pace, the bucks with twenty three of the we didn't do a ton nine. Nine of his eleven field goals for dunked though. The amd brook Lopez dropped six three pointers on his way to twenty two points. Although only three bucks reached double figures so Dinnie where did you wanna start on this game where you're takeaways? I'd like to point that Frank Madden made on Twitter after the game, which is to separate this from Milwaukee's loss to the Celtics where again, we did for the NBA cast where the bucks were just conceding all of these pick and pop threes in the bunch of a bunch of other open shots in while they do have weaknesses on those shots and also on pull up threes. There were a few of those moments in this game as well. Generally, speaking, the trade off that is central to the bucks defensive identity is giving up mid range shots and not giving up shots at the rim. Ideally, not failing to we'll see how much that continues in generally speaking. That's a good trade off, you know, that that's the kind of thing that you're looking for because mid-range shots are less valuable than shots at the rim. However, there will be nights most notably in many ways against teams like. Warriors in the blazers where giving up a bunch of mid-range shots, just due to various suit everything else can't hurt. You in Portland has some of the best mid range shooters in the entire ticket McCollum who was eight out of ten for mid Ranjha. I draw a little bit of a lion between the bucks defense in the third quarter and in the fourth quarter because I felt like in the third these were very very easy shots at epic. Prep Stotts came out of halftime saying hey brook Lopez, especially if you're gonna leave it on the floor because Lopez was on fire from three point range. He's gonna just lay back in the pick and roll again. I mean, the bucks were giving up nothing at the rim of through most of this game. So is that hey, we're just gonna go to C J in pick and roll. And we're gonna have use of Narco to set some of the better screens in the game. And they were just going to get him wide open seventeen footers, and they got a few of those to start within while the mid range shot might not be the greatest shot in the world for a lot of people wide open CJ McCollum like he's gonna start to make that hurt you, and they also were actually able to get to the Rubas wall in that. Headquarter for six out of nine shooting there. So it wasn't like they were just only getting mid-rangers as we've seen in some other bucks games. It was that they're also giving up some place to Nerkez at the rim 'em. So it seemed a little bit too easy for Portland and CJ in that third quarter. When he dropped nineteen of his forty in the fourth quarter was a little bit of a different story. Those mid Rangers were largely contested and the blazers did put up twenty seven points in a pretty slow quarter. But they went five hundred twelve from three and four four from it originally took one shot at the rim and got to the line twice this game. In particular was just an incredibly low free throw game at only sixteen free throws attempted in the entire game and the blazers for all the dunks that they gave up to Yannis. They did a good job of not following the only let him get the line for two attempts at that. That was important for them. Yeah. Oh on that note as of right now, Milwaukee and Portland are two of the four top T. Teams in opponent free-throw temporary. That is not a surprise after watching and hanging the big back in pick and roll. It can also be a good way to avoid giving a both double-teams that usually the blazers in particular set up to take the three point line. They were not able to do that against the bucks. A with the bucks getting up forty two three point eight tonnes with the blazers did them one better with forty three and seventeen makes rather than sixteen for the bucks. It was really a pretty remarkably close to typical game in nearly every metric and yeah, this is crazy offensive rebounds turnovers were all within one, but the bucks shot forty eight percent on twos and the blazers shot sixty five percent onto a lot of it with the those mid-range jumpers even Evan Turner was getting into the act as well. What else did you have in this one Milwaukee shot chart in this game is really fascinating. I mean other than not getting to the free throw line. There are some serious. If you want to call it Maury ball elements of this not only, you know, they said they got up forty two three pointers in this game. They got another. Thirty five of their shots in the restricted area. So forty two thirty five and then fifteen everywhere else and the challenge there is that you'd have to actually have their shots going. So they shot sixty percent, which is a little bit lower than you than you in their surgery. They also weren't getting to the foul line. Didn't make many of their shots from Florida range to a nine didn't make their mid Rangers like Portland was. And then you know, they shot fine from three I'm not going to ever knock team for going sixteen of forty two. But Dave overall they posted an offensive rating 'bout one ten and that wasn't enough to win this game with the shots. That Portland was taking make Yemen for Portland to put up a one twenty five offense of rating on the shot mix that they had was really really impressive. And that's just the type of shot making that CJ McCollum canoe than Evan Turner. He's been a lot better this year. I think having him as kind of the captain of the ship on that all second unit lineup late in the first beginning the second than again in the second half saying time has been a better role for him because he. Can create shots. He's not going to be incredibly efficient overall. You don't want him taking shots at the hands of C Jane team, but he can do enough to kind of run the offense maybe set up their shooters a little bit and get to amid ranger if there isn't much else available and today at sixteen points and eleven rebounds, four assists, an actually played his thirty two minutes. We did get some time with the other stars and was getting amazing shots. But sometime those are going to go in. I mean, you wanna talk a little bit of this up to maker mislead. The math just didn't work out for the bucks this time. I agree. It wasn't as bad as the Boston game. In terms of just how it looked and the way that the scheme was so obviously being exploited. But you still wonder now it's it's really weird because the three bucks games that I've watched really locked in on in their entirety has been the three games were their defenses look towards Kemble lit them up on opening night. Big surprise picking role point guard, Celtics lit them up. There wasn't really kyri in. Enroll that much. It was more the Horford pick and pop and then the way that the Celtics related just drive in throat to the weak side for threes. So maybe if caught them on the three worst defensive games numbers overall still a there have another really hard test gets worse. We'll see them in person on Thursday night. And I am a little bit disappointed. So far Indiana season. We talked about this on the fifteen sixty but just to turn overs are up at six again tonight and other than just kinda either getting out in transition or bludgeoning guys one on one and going in for a dunk, which obviously he's very effective. But you know, he still doesn't seem to have editors game. He tried to change up his shot. It looks like now he's just bring it up even further in front of him the jumper looks even more awkward now. So I would have thought that he would be powering the surge with another great season. But frankly, I think he played better at the start of last year than he's playing. Now a point that I was going to make and then lost track of during fifteen sixty is that I think. One of the takeaways for me. And this is early. I'm not what into this forever. But I am thinking it will be the case long-term is that this season has been a reminder of why you want another capable ball handler with Janas. There had been this interesting. You have oh, man. If you if you can give the ball us all the time, you could get all these guys you could switch and all these other ideas and in the half court. I think that you need at least one other guy who could do that. And fortunately, those players are available, but they're usually trade offs with them. So whether that is what's or Malcolm Brogdon or some third person that we don't yet know about is an open question, but I've been feeling more confident that that is a priority for the bucks on when you consider that all of the players that fit the description, I just made are pending free agents for them. It's something they have to think about when they're building this team out for the remaining time that they have honest under this current contract. It's funny that they've started this season. So well, and really you'll think of anyone on this team is an elite talent of the Middleton and ya'aseh at this point, you know, the rest of these has cut ac- replaceable. Frankly. And bledsoe. I predicted. He was I'll push back on that a little bit they're replaceable. But they're all Hsien. The big difference too. I mean air Ilyasova and brook Lopez being in the rotation as opposed to some of the absolute direct that they've been putting out there over the last couple of years is a massive massive change important point. That's that's an interesting place to talk about dot AG Vincenzo diva Chen. So it's so funny. How for me everything and this happens with the other players? It's all flashes or fizzles. Like, you don't like when you see the confidence that he has on his jump shot you go. Oh, man. Like, if he can just convert this, maybe it's going to, you know, hopefully, it will go in more than it has so far. But then you also see the the challenges that he has defensively, and he'll get better just like anybody else will. And so I'm unsure what his NBA career will hold. There's a lot that I really liked their. But and this isn't just CJ McCollum putting months gates in anything. She did, you know losing guys on possession, which he. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Which he did. But it's you know, the possession by possession stuff and sometimes focusing on. You know, the guy who takes the shot can be misleading because there are other breakdowns in defense. And even Chen's was. Is a part of those like a lot of young players are in. So I'm not sure how much of an answer he'll be certainly intriguing happy that he's getting regular rotation minutes. But would just have to see with it because he does bring something they need. It's just whether he takes too much off the table when we're talking about really good opponents like you just talked about the three games you've locked in on those were three Milwaukee games against full-strength opponents that are very very that are capable of attacking what they don't do. Well, so we'll we'll have to see how that works out. But I'm excited to at least have that volatility in the rotation, and they're still have all the stuff that aren't with blood sewn broad in and everything else. So I think they can be a lot better against ille- competition than they've been Sephardim in the if they just keep beating the ever loving crap out of bad teams their place within the Eastern Conference hierarchy will be fine anyway, and they certainly have been doing that you mentioned even ZOA CJ had a couple of buckets on him just in straight eyeso- at I think I'd like to see CJ get a chance against guys his size or smaller. Almost play kind of more of a Sam ka cell type of game uses body creates basis that high release and CJ is such a good shooter that if he can get it off. He's got a pretty damn good chance of making it a lot of times he'll get the switch and try to go to work against bigger guy. But because he doesn't really is that that quick, and we detailed some of his struggles shooting at the rim. This your that'll be something to check on for the next fifteen sixty but he was four hundred twenty five a as the first fifteen sixty that we did I think that it's almost better off just saying, hey, let's put him up some where he can get the jumper off against this guy by shooting over the top of a more easily and being as opposed to always got the quickness advantage against this guy. But he's got longer arms and could potentially bother CJ shot a little more than I think a lot of teams just to would be slightly better off letting their smaller guys point guards is guys just go to work against whoever's guarding them. If you are gonna eyeso- a rather than trying to get a switch necessarily in certain match ups, obviously, it's offended. To that point guard is who that big is few other notes on this one the blazers actually went to Newark and Collins together for a time at the end of the third is they're building their lead that worked. Okay. You know, the bucks don't really go too many small lineups than at the start of the fourth. I thought this was the time when the bucks really could broke out. They brought Janas back. They'd yachts Middleton out there against that. All reserve unit with Leonard and Collins as the two bigs, they scored eight straight points. And then I thought the biggest shot of the game was actually Meyers Leonard who had had an atrocious. Start to the court gives up to wide open three billion over there. Lucky that one of them didn't miss or the that one of a mess. I should say he just, you know, just weird mistakes that letter bay just leaving him wide open. He misses it. Open three. He gets thrown a flaming bag at the end of the shot clock goes to the jab step if you're running Myers letter at the end of the shot clock. I'm not sure where you're falling for a jab step. But it was just that he's able to get his three pointer off and make it and then the couple more tough of Turner free throw line jumpers. Mid rangers. And just got just enough shot making to hold on until CJ was able to come in. And the the rest of the starters and maintain the lead in the bucks never really threatened that much. I think it got within five at one point. I looked it up and perk leaning glass Portland currently has a plus three point seven net rating with neither Lillard nor McCollum on the floor, which is very good. I mean, if you could be above water with those two guys off, then I mean, you hope that you'll be able to be other teams and something that surprised me is they were actually positive as a much more slight positive last year. They were plus one point four and remarkably because of how they're doing the stagger differently. This year they've already played with many possessions, without those two this year as they last I was issued here you say that I figured those case they almost never did that last year, but it seems to be working so far. Oh and a point on that. I think that works a lot better than the regular season than it will in the playoffs, but they can break that rotation if they need to you know, if they're facing better opponents and everything else like just because those. Lineups will be structured, even if those guys are playing more minutes, just the stressors that quality teams put on opponents is very different anything else. You got on this one. Well, I I don't think that it was a particularly strong game for either Pat Coniston or the guy who replaced Pat Konitz nj claiming you know, Lehman is is actually sort of replacing mohawk less right now as mohawk list is dealing with the injury we talked about. But I think that part of what those teams are what what Portland is dealing with is just not having enough quality Fords. I mean, they have a lot of good things on this roster in presumably adding somebody else on that line would be taking somebody away. But I mean, you just amino has to shoulder so much of the burden for what for doing forward things. I've talked about this for the Lakers in terms of centers that you know, the for centers. It's sending screens protecting the rim and for forwards. It's you know, switching little bit defensively. Making sure that you're covering all the seams and battling some of the toughest men man covers and Amina is basically the only guy to do all that kind of stuff Turner. Can maybe limited. Portions do some of it. And that's a challenge. It's a Bill. I would argue that it's something they should have been drafting for over the last couple of years, and the other thing to mention is that I I've really enjoyed how capable most of the times that Collins this was not necessarily his best game. But you know, he I think he generally, you know, he moves well on defense. He trusts his jump shot him. He may only made one of his three three pointers, but you know, one threes. Okay. And he's been solid under overall so far this year, and that will have impacts on Portland's center rotation moving forward. I mean, they have nurtured a reasonable contract. They could move him. If they feel that Collins ends up being the answer. So again, it's one of those things I don't have a firm answer yet. But I've liked what I've seen. They're calling said this really confident drive on Ilyasova were went to a spin move drove in from the three point line and one in for lamp, and that drive maybe of something which is he'll we've seen so much more of big guys with the ball in their hands. Blake your Blake, Griffin's, certainly assault baller. A is doing it. Now cousins a lot last year seen big gonna drive in from the three. Point line part of that is just because bigs are more skilled down than it used to be. But another part of is just that there's so much more space on the floor. Right. Like it used to be when there wasn't space because you try to do that they would just run into guys commit charges. They get the ball stolen by guards. But now that those guards are just hugging up against three point shooters big is actually have a lot more -bility to go to work, even if maybe you know, they kind of get a little tunnel vision and they put their head down. And they're not the greatest passers once they put the ball on the floor that doesn't matter as much because there's just more space. It's harder for the help to get there. Especially when you're more worried about threes. I mean, I think that for some of these guys teams could go with more of an opportunity double because they're just not looking to pass necessarily once they take that first dribble. But generally, the instructions are hugged to the three point shooters. And if someone likes that Collins, you're like, okay, we're not helping that Colin so you don't want to open someone up. So you can stop that Collins. So I think that's just an interesting trend to see a especially with guys who are a little bit more limited. But still. We'll do stuff off the dribble out of the floor more than maybe in pastures or we got some other games to get to. But first this from quip. 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He was just tearing up Charles Doug getting good shut five seconds of the rooms tearing star. At the rim in the second. Yankee and getting all those good looks doing a lot of positive authencity on the court and in that second quarter, they did outscore Charlotte twenty nine to twenty eight but young isn't good defensively has a lot of room to go to get decent defensively. And that is a problem when you are facing one Kemba Walker. Yeah. I thought that young. I mean, you know, this is a developmental season for the hawks certainly they won't mind if they get a higher draft pick young had the matchup against Kemba Walker. Most of the time they could it may be said a trader go guard, Nick Batumi or guard lamb both those guys have sized that could hurt him a little bit. But there are a few plays where he just totally gave up right amid and plays where the guy kind of made him look battle bit. You know, gotta crossover orders wrong-footed them slightly. But then he just kinda gave up like I don't wanna be on the highlight reel or something. Instead of you just have to keep competing in today's day and age as a point guard. It's all about yet you buy got screened off. But you're going to keep trying you're going to compete. You're gonna make it difficult for the guy. Why you're going to fix it? So at the very least you might have space right now, but you're going to recover because and that and allow your big man to help and then recover himself at 'em. I thought that trae really did not do a good job of that. They're just a couple of specific highlights where he just completely deactivated. After the initial move even in a one on one situation, which was a little disheartening. I mean, you know, Atlanta, they started Tracy on Kevin herder in Amari Spelman at the four altogether. I mean that is just not a good defensive lineup of. But they actually did. Okay. The first half they lead fifty four fifty one at halftime. And we can talk more about some of their individual performances of. But overall, it was just too much Kemba Walker for the Hornets. He continues to sizzle he is maybe the best guy in the league. Now at you know, you could put maybe Dame Lillard up in this category. As well as a guy who can come around a screen, even if the guy is kind of on his back still rise up still be on the move kind of leaning forward and shoot a three. If the biggest hang back at all and make your I mean, he's hitting these kind of floating three pointers on the move, which are really really impressive and Walker finished with twenty nine points whose twelve twenty two from the field four out of ten from downtown, seven assists, three steals, you know, and in a game like this against a team like the hawks Kemba walkers easily the best player on the floor. And here's the big reason why Charlotte took this one tonight something else. I wanted to talk about from this game v last good backup point guard. Charlotte had Jeremy Lin had a nice game in his former building nineteen points, which lead Atlanta on seventy nine shooting almost all of which from two point range. He was six of six of eight from two and then one of one from three. I'll Scott's the free throw line for four shots and played under control looked more dynamic than we had seen earlier in the season. He's battled injuries for the last two years and doodoo Atlanta's structure, they're not really gonna play Lynn more unless they do some with trae young, which I would actually support I think it'd be kind of fun to see those guys bounce off each other. But I I'm really happy for Jeremy Lin. He can do well in this role. And I don't know exactly what he wants from the season. Maybe if he wants to get bought out in how the playoff run on Unimar competitive team. Maybe Atlanta will be amenable to that. But yeah, I enjoy capable backup point guard play Android plink play. I talked about sexually onto during the day that it's the easiest it's the most important factor in terms of watch ability for a team. And if you notice the ones that that we enjoy talking about the ones, we don't it's it's a very easy way to do it. You know, there are other important factors to and backup point guard play is pivotal to that as well. And Lynn has really helped Atlanta's with him in trae young. I didn't generally enjoy really washing their games. Great. Secede Lynn playing well. Because you remember he was so bad early in the season that they actually we're going to line-up said at no point guard other playing Pembrey at point guard, and and getting hurt her more playmaking which actually like I I've enjoyed her with the bonus. But Lynn, Charlotte's some of that team is turned over obviously since he was there, but they're letting him get to his left hand pretty well. He hit a three had an nice pull up in the lane used the operating. In pick and roll. And you know, he's always been a very right handed player. But he is once he gets there. And you know, it's tough to keep guy off of the handy wants to go to at least out on the floor, and at least in pick and roll situations. So it was good to see him Bamiyan Petur patellar tendon, it doesn't get as much pub as achilles. But there's not a long list of guys who've come back a hundred percent from torn patella tendons that I can recall a so hopefully, Linda can continue to play a at a reasonably good rate of we've mentioned young. I mean, a lot of what he's doing looks like it's stuff that you just can't really question. Like, the vision continues to be awesome. There's one play that really stood out to me where he read a pick and roll going to his left. He's been more effective going to his left. Lately teams have been forcing him of that right hand words, more comfortable shooting. And so the big studies at about the elbow, and it didn't look Dwayne deadman was open. But he was being guarded by Kemba Walker. But Walker was like right next to him. You know, usually you'll see a guy next to him. You're not gonna throw now you, but. Young was like, oh that's Kemba Walker against Wayne dead. But I can throw this even though he's not technically open just because if these guys both run to the rim. Devon's could be able to get way up way higher and put this out of me. It was just e through deadman open. I mean, he wasn't even really I think ahead of Walker going towards the rim. When the pass was made. It was really a beautiful play me. He'll get these plays in semitransition to these. No looks refines guys open under the rim. It's just it's not passes that you see all the time in the NBA. I mean, these these dimes are like, you know, to guys like right under the rim or for L U. I mean, these are really value added stuff yet Tennessee's tonight. He had a really rough starts the game. At one point. He was one out of five with five turnovers, and he did not hit a three was ov- seven for three was not getting the greatest of looks there either. I think him taking those are still important because it set up so much his drive game. And I think he's just been quicker than advertise to. So I I'm convinced already that he's going to be a solid offensive point guard at a minimum the question of whether he's going to be as. Are is how much is that jump shot? Gonna really go down. You know? I mean, the there's ties what it looks awesome. There's other times when you know, especially when he's contested, especially when he taking a contested thirty footer that you really kinda wondering. So I mean, it was he gonna take a crapload of shots know, he's going to do that is that gonna go in at thirty three percent of the time. Or is he gonna make thirty seven thirty eight which is about the in the fifteen and sixty like if it's the latter. He's going to be really dominating offensive player. I think because he's looked much better as a finisher much quicker. And the vision has in fact, translated so far agreed on all counts. There are three highlights from this game. I wonder mental because I thought they were notable. So the first one is probably the least disgust least clicked are vine of these, and that's Alex Poythress. So there was a play when Charlotte had an inbound with very little time left on the shot clock and Poythress basically timed up the catch and release. I think it was from Jeremy lamb and was able to block what was a a desperate flippant. And it was a beautiful play lead to a fast break. I love it. When guys understand. On the situation and understand that. Okay. This. This guy's gonna have to get the shot up quickly. So that's what I should be looking for. Then the other two were more conventional highlights Vince young enough. It's young Vince Carter slightly older than Vince young getting getting his shoulder past Jeremy lamb, and then dunking which was very nice, and and then miles purchase just dunking all over Dwayne deadman and doing Vince is motorcycle celebration, which was pretty fun and that also led to some real tangible effects because there was a later play when bridges was driving and deadman just went for a charge instead of actually playing defense. And that's something that happens. You get a little bit gun shy. When it guidance all over you. Yeah. I need to enter those two dunks door dunker the month category. Here few other notes from this one Charlotte started out with what I thought was a pretty good plan. They got Marvin Williams going in pick and pop against the aforementioned Spelman who looks pretty heavy legged a starting him at the four. I mean, they had been starting Carter a little bit. I think there's just some reasons to start him just to say. You're starting a first round draft pick, you know, those those kind of publicized by the broadcast crew on the injured the three first runner starting together for the first time and going a combined over twelve for three point range in this game. But spellbound Kent defend a at the four Atlanta's defense still continues to be like decent enough. I mean, they only give a one oh five defensive rating the skin there just continue to be like the worst offense in the league in part again to the turnovers they turned it over on twenty percent of their possessions in this game a herder. I thought his rebounding continues to be impressive. His playmaking is good. He's got some passing vision finishing around the rim. Look tutti had one play where he swooped in from the right side left hand left-foot finish or a scoop lay up or on Nick tune that looked really good. But defensively he's another guy who just short arms not really gonna affect shooters very well. And so I thought he trade together if that's going to be their starting back court could be a problem in the long-term on defense for Charlotte. A thought Cody Zeller just a. Offensively seemed to struggle to finish the replayed twenty seven minutes, but who's not generating a lot of times you'll see a big an indication of declining athleticism as for a pick and roll big as that is used to drill. Go way down, and he just isn't taking as many shots as he had been in court three pointers earlier in the year. You know, that didn't really seem to be a featured aspect of his game. And you know, this I three shots. Liam are all around the room needs. Didn't have the explosion to finish. You got anything else on this one? No. I think that's about it. I I guess it's worth noting to that. The hawks were six of thirty from three point range twenty percent and the Hornets were thirteen thirty one forty two percent. And that was basically the difference in a one thirteen one oh to victory. Yeah. I think that's that's a good not to bring in there. Do you want me to do a very brief summary of Washington Dallas because I know it was not high on your radar was the other three games of your loose? Washington's defense sucks and of statement. I thought the quotes that's really. Interesting. They gave up seventy points in the first half. They trailed seventy two forty nine at halftime. Am the quotes afterwards where they got the kinda got back into it? The guy within six and then Dallas ended up winning belly fifteen, but they're like, oh, yeah. You know, which didn't try the for south Austin rivers said that Howard said that like, yeah, we're just gave out and drug were doing the same scheme in the second half. He didn't change up at all. We just executed more. So yeah for cats is going to have a funnier fried cats can have a funnier either way. That's true. Fred, I think they'll be a lot. We talked about them a lot in the fifteen sixty. I mean that that's the benefit of being a lien team. But and we might talk about them later in the week not to spoil a segment that's coming up. But I think they will be better. It's just hard. I mean when you're two and eight even if the bottom of the east is bad like, you know, the bottom of these play picture is not you know, fifty wins or something like that. You still have to actually win the games, and they're they're starting. This is the beginning of a road trip for them. So we'll we'll see where this goes. I I'm I. Have an idea of where it's going, but I'm not sure yet their schedules easier, though, even if there is more rogue games. Yes. Weaker weaker opponent. Dell's supposed to be one of those obviously, and they just got blown out. But yet they better right the ship here. Now, of course, they started famously two eight two years ago in up winning forty nine games so out. No, if they're gonna turn that around though and Zach Lowe, Royal along piece about them in which he kinda diagnose the biggest problem as John wall cannot plateauing little bit. Anyway, he's going to be twenty eight when that huge contract kicks in. And I fear that his best days may already have been behind. So for move on though on to tell you about Bomba's socks are incredibly important to me. Especially now that I work from home. I spent basically all of my time in socks because my wife insists that we take our shoes off indoors. And so I can't have my feet getting too cold. I can't even getting too hot. I don't wanna feel my socks on what that sorry sock line. And then if I want to go work out, go play some basketball may put on some no show. As well. Bombers has great stuff for that too. I really appreciate that they provide the extra support where you need it. They've got this reinforced cushioned foot bed that doesn't add bulkiness. They're no show socks. 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Lead basically from the second quarter on Phoenix scout within five I think a couple of times big story here Carris liver continues to play while he had twenty six points on only eighteen shooting possessions. He really continues to show excellent poise and patients as a driver. He doesn't get sped up. He's another one of these guys who really benefits from there being more spacing the nets not always as we'll get to. But most of the time have very good spacing on their team. And so he can get into the lane. He can pump fake he can step through. You. Also have a lot more time when de'andre in his the opposing center, and he's just not gonna come in help. Even if his man is at Davis and Adidas's standing twenty five feet from the basket, he still not gonna come in to help. But I really just like the patience of the Vert and between he and Dinwiddie. These guys are starting to get as Dinwiddie at another nice game as plus twenty in thirty minutes, twelve points a on seven shooting possessions. They're starting to get guys who can actually attack the rim and make something happen and make up for the space. And I. The nets actually got really good shots in this game. But they were only nine out of thirty six from three and those were largely pretty good three pointers w was one of five Harris was one of six crowd was one of five in these are good three pointers guys who've shot around forty percent in their career. So they were generating very good. Just this could have been even worse of a blowout than it was for Phoenix. I mean and for Phoenix to put up an eighty five offense of rating against this nets team, and they didn't even shoe poorly from three they were three six percent from downtown in that is really really ugly one point in the game. I wanted to to bring up I felt like Brooklyn was going to win any way when the fourth quarter started. I mean, they had a lead. But didn't he put up seven points in pretty quick succession, and that really even know Phoenix was scoring a little bit at the time to it. It kind of helped settle the margin. Didn't what he is over qualified for me for that role of being the bench score or anything like that. But he still really good at it. Even if he's even if could be doing other things and you brought up the Dinwiddie, lavar. Combination really helping them and they were able in this game partially because the sun's offense. I mean, twenty turnovers were a big challenge there nine of which we're live ball with feels that the nets were able to overcome some just rough miss shots to still put a good win out there in a Unan overall. You know, a decent offensive game. I mean for missing almost thirty threes to to still put up like a one seven offense printing's pretty good, not bad. There were a few nice things in this for Phoenix will try to be a little more positive just some small touches where it didn't Kokoschka actually lead the NBA in passes per game. Which is not helped them a ton. So far, I thought Rashawn holders played really. Well, he's now in the rotation. Yeah. Dude, he brought a lot of energy. I mean, he was negative fourteen which wasn't great. But he had thirteen points six of seven from the field, four offense of rebounds, two blocks. You know, he was a force protecting the rim. I thought am finish. Pretty well. He did take one free throw line jumper, which was not even close. There's a thought that he would become. More of a stretch threat early in his career in Philly that really is not developed at all his jumper looks pretty ugly. When the they were here last week or I think it was two weeks ago. You know, he just didn't look great shooting around before the game. Either us shoots way out in front of his face this out of very personal jump shot. Either a thought that the net strategy defensively was interesting where Kokoschka of is having these guys to Aleta handoffs around the free throw line twenty feet from the rim. And so they just had Jared Allen at Ed Davis. Just hang completely back and just take away any of the cutting off of those DA Joe's by just having the guy stand out of the rim and say you want to hand it to this guy. Go ahead. He's gonna go right into our center at the room. And so home was left wide open for a free throw jumper Eytan who's usually pretty capable from. There was not hitting the jumper in this game. Either in face up situations or a out of those issues. So I thought that was just an interesting strategic wrinkle of how the nets were approaching doing some Kokoschka of stuff the sons to get a reasonable number situation. Where like a lot of teams where they're just caught with their big defending out on the floor in pick and roll. But anytime that big made the guard shoot a jumper for the nets. He then immediately sprinted the floor and started posting up and the sun's really tried to push it in get it to that guy. And they do some files there. They got some buckets. Which is it's a smart way to say. Hey, art, you wanna switch. You think you got a mismatch against us? Right. Will you better make that shot because if you don't now we're going to run the floor hard? We're gonna get a mismatch against you. I like that approach. But I think that's about all good that I can come up with for sons in this one I'm afraid, in example of that one was I loved a transition seal that Eytan God on the ngelo. Russell Russell just had no chance and fouled Eytan pretty quickly. And I can't remember whether they were in the bone. It's not whether that yielded free throws. But it's also great way to activate big men to actually get out there on the fritter in envy, the say, hey, if you actually contest this then you can go out there, and we'll try to find you and they're going to need better guys to do the finding and don't get there. Hopefully eventually with time. And then the other thing we should talk about. Game is the ongoing dynamic between Mikhail bridges and Josh Jackson. Jesse Jackson was barely part of the rotation. The first three quarters did start the fourth quarter ended up with seven minutes. Played and Mikhail bridges is more reliable player. I believe he is a better player and he played twenty two bridges hit to five from dunce on him. And he wasn't awesome. By any means. You know, he had a couple of plays where he got blown by in that sequence you talked about. But you know, I tweeted it during the first game of several league that who's gonna be awkward when bridges started taking Jackson's minutes. Even I didn't think it would happen this quickly, and you know, things can change. I thought actually when Jackson was out there in the second half. He did some okay things. But then he had he got a little big for his britches and went into traffic on a no-hoper got block. But I thought he had a couple of chances where he coulda pulled up for one of his signature contested twos. And instead actually made nice passes off at state under control of but them in his stint in the first half is really weird. He and bridges were out there together, and they are guarding crab in Harris. Those two guys would screen for each other. And you think oh crabbing Harris similar sized guys? Bruce Jackson similar sized guys off ball. Switch easy. You know? Obviously you're gonna switch that. And yet three possessions in a row. The nets got open shots out of that action. Because they didn't switch on. I was like are they supposed to switch that you would think they would have to be right. Like, you know, so and then Jackson got taken out that I'm not sure if that was the reason or whether a Costco, just wasn't really planning on playing him that much. So we'll watch that dynamic of TJ war. Also, really has come back to earth did not attempt to three point of this. When he was over five he played pretty poorly. You know, I think the reality is set in that this is going to be a developmental, and this is the sort of loss that's got to be really heartening to hardening for the sense of mean their team is healthy Booker was back. The nets are you know, teams to be at the bottom in the Eastern Conference and the sun's just weren't competitive. They couldn't score against you know, not a good net defense. Maybe we'll see where they're at at the end of the year. But you know, not a team. That's historically been a great defense. Disheartening home loss to be short one other thing that amused me in this game was Rhonda hal's. Jefferson took some ill advised shots all off raise it that way. But having at Davis as the other big man on the floor. He could just grab of a bunch of those misses. And so I think a few of his his offensive rebounds were off of Rhonda MRs and I just enjoy at Davis commitment to grabbing offense of rebounds and battling. And you don't have to defend him outside of five feet. You just have to box him out and everything else. But I I like having his competence on the second unit for the nets and Jared Allen. This was a fine game for him not necessarily a stand up for me that we did have a couple of assists. And you know, I think that he's those two mean were necessarily audience great vision for centre or anything like that. But I I like that I can kind of trust Brooklyn center rotation because that has definitely not always been the case. Yeah. The they have the started Timofey MAs Goff last year of oh that quickly was scrapped your Demari. Carol is supposed to be back later this week. And I think that's going to be really interesting. For this nets rotation. You Jared Dudley is starting for them. He I think it gives them some spacing in theory. Rhonda as a younger player, you'd think that rendezvous would have had the inside track to play head of him. Brunt was coming back from that groin issue though and into played reasonably well with Dudley out there. They've also been playing some Joe Harris at the four G W in Harris start together. But then they'll go to lineups with crab at the three David played all through the point guards. Or I guess delivered is really a point guard. But Russell Vert Dinwiddie the all through the ball handlers. And those guys are all six four over. So you're not that small there. Although, you know, it's not like Phoenix has a small Ford who's going to kill you the way some other teams might with a little more size. But I honestly think they should probably if they're trying to win games just take raw day out of the rotation and play karaoke before. Because whenever Ronda is in there, really negatively affects their spacing like all the actions that work, really. Well, all of a sudden either he's his man is being guarded. He's standing under the rim, but he's not like that type. Elite finisher to go up and get an alleyoop or finish through guys who I had hoped you'd be that player when he was drafted. But he either lost let system or I just thought he was more authentic. Tony was in Arizona. I'm not sure am, you know, he's not doing enough defensively, especially if you're going up against a Phoenix where you don't have like one guy where that you need to guard with him. You know, I'm not sure that he's that much better defensively even than someone like Carol is Carol is healthy. So I think they might actually take out of the rotation. That's what I would do unless he starts playing better because he really short circuits the offense. And he was the only net who is in the negative today. Played thirteen minutes. And I thought he earned that you'll both with that one a six that you talked about. But also with the the lack of spacing that he provides a especially because they don't they don't have brook Lopez anymore. You know as they did earlier in his career. They don't really have a stretch center anymore. You know, Alan will pop out to the corner, but once in a while, but he's usually going to be the roll, man. And so you're just not gonna be able to pick and roll when you have Hollis Jefferson on the floor with another traditional Vic the story with Rhonda. See for me is very similar to a guy. We didn't talk about his game today. Michael Gilchrist where if you are a non center who teams do not have to respect as a jump shooter. You have to do so many other things well to justify regular minutes, and that can be defense, rebounding finishing at the rim. There are lots of different ways do but if not even with the dearth of quality forwards in the league right now, you can go to maybe players who are inferior options, but take less off the table and be better for it. And I think that's part of where the the league might be going. I don't think we have enough supply to get there get, but yeah, I was watching run day and thinking something pretty similar once. They actually have the guys to replace. Yeah. And then if he's going to compound it by like trying to go one on one that makes it even worse because he's not that great at that a few other notes here, the sons don't really have anyone who can get by anybody. I realized you know, what I mean, they're running these Isaiah cannon pick and rolls, which just you know, he's in the starting lineup still at the one. I thought Devon Booker looked really slow in this game. I mean, this is not a. A nets team that has elite perimeter defenders, and he just wasn't largely with struggling to get good shot. So he could get a shot off a screen at the nets were hanging back in pick and roll. But when he tried to isos and usually feelies able to create more space every once in a while he can get by his guy and just wasn't succeeding at that. He went six out of twenty one. I thought he earned that with the the quality of shots that he had a Aiden. I mean, I continued actually be positively surprised by his post game. Now, if you give it to him outside of the lane and expected to score that's not necessarily gonna work even if it's against the mismatch because he just it takes to lawn to dribble any he's kind. It doesn't have the greatest feel for that. But the fact that he's been posting up pretty deep. I think has been nice to see and Kokoschka has encouraged that it was more really in the second half in the first half. But when he gets the ball around the rim. He's finishing very nicely. A his left hand is better than anticipated. Yet, a nice same side up and under with the left hand. Even just you don't have to have like a left handed jump from. Ten feet from the packet. But as long as you can just finish layups around the rim and very short range shots around the rim. That's all you need with the left hand. So is touched. There has been impressive. Didn't have the jumper working today. As I said, but the defense remains very bad. I mean, there are probably seven or eight times that I counted. And I wasn't looking for this on every single possession. It was just they got a layup. How did that happen? Oh, eight and didn't come over a and they're probably seven or eight of those in this game and plays where you know. He just had no reason not to be helping right? It's not like us guarding shooter at any point in time just drives would occur and he just wouldn't react. Or in the other thing that's been a struggle for him is making multiple efforts on a play. This was most obvious on a play where Alan crab got two consecutive offense of ribons at eight and kind of went after the first rebound, and then sort of tried to block the shot in the ball went over the other side of the revenue eight and just never reacted again. He's kind of like he's able to summon one effort, and then it's just like all right? I did my job. I did all I could. And he just kinda floats out of the play after that. So. That's something that I think he really could improve right away, the recognition stuff less, so, but you know, it's just it's so hard as a coach to come up with a program to help him get better. I mean, I think where you probably would want to start with them is almost get him to over help at this point to say, hey, you know, what if you leave your man and give up a dunk to go block someone shot at the rim. Like, that's okay. You know, we're we're we'll bring someone else to help you we want. We want your instinct to be I'm going to challenge these guys. And then we'll get you to tone that down. The tips are to try that we call towns last year didn't really work. But you know, I'm not really sure what approaches, but then other times he's going to be too aggressive and not really take the angles in pick and roll defence. We'll see a lot of times where the guard will kind of turn the corner, but not really be much of a threat yet become at the like, you know, the elbow extended a little bit and Aidan will step up, but he's stepping up completely into the guards path opening up a passing Mingo really when you come over there you want to be in the guards vision, but it's more like, hey. Hey, I want you to see me. So you know, that if you do try to go all the way to the rim. I can get there to stop you not. I'm putting my body fully in front of you when you're that far away from the room because then you just have the passing able to throw it right to the big for a dunk, and that happened a couple of times you've got to kind of stay on the access between the ball and your initial man the roll man, I like to bet on guys with a lot of physical talented at the guy what you were talking about being overly aggressive, and helping I was thinking about miles Turner as being maybe somebody that you go in that direction Turner's getting lot better. He's also relying on his size more now than he than he used to. That's good end Aiden. Hopefully, he gets to that point hopefully goes beyond that point. But it is gonna take some time. And so I was watching the Suns in this one. And also thinking about where they'll be when they can kind of have better talent around these guys that looks to me like they're going to have another strong draft pick this year and maybe for another year after that. We'll see how long it takes them to figure this out. But the they'll have our maybe maybe it would be. Yes, more accurate. Say yes. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. And and with the nets this is the type of game. I mean, I'm not ready to say they're like a necessarily like they're they have a potential for making the playoffs, but taking care of business against the team that you're better than on the road is a good start. And so for me, they're probably in the mix of needing to play a little bit over their heads. And also get some, you know, better health than some of the teams above them. But that's where this road begins, and it's going to take a, you know, it's not just being competitive. And then losing like they've done a fair portion of this year. It's also getting the getting the baseline wins. And then building from there yet right now five thirty eight projects the nets for thirty five wins and thirty two percent chance of the playoffs. That's not bad. That's better than we thought that they would be. I think you know, the biggest thing probably that has been surprise for them in the early going has been livered breaking out the way that he has will tomorrow. We'll be back with the NBA cast. Hashtag NBA Cass fall on twitch twitch that TV. She slash Nate Duncan MBA. We'll talk a little bit more about those Pacers Pacers versus Sixers could be an interesting one for seating. I really enjoy the Pacers and the Sixers because both these seemed play a little bit different style than a lot of the teams do in the league at this point in Ola depot Simmons and be looked those are all pretty interesting players in my mind. Particularly Embiid going up against the bonus. And tournament's going to be a pretty interesting one in the post there anything you need to talk about voyeur. I'm not sure if it's going to come out on Wednesday. But I have a piece coming out for the ethnic on a matter that has not yet to my knowledge, Ben discussed that I find a really interesting issue. That's all the TS. I can give it because I don't want to get it out there yet. But I'm really excited about it. The athletics actually putting some reporting behind it, which is pretty fun. So like ice admitted it now they're actually following up with somebody who amusing the amazing network of athletic writers dot com, enjoying how all the athletic. So like, you know, shops and. The local guy or doing like doing stuff together. Now, like, that's the kind of bringing all those guns to bear on his story is really helped the reporting think we add. I mean, the works at shops and John Christine ski have done under Jimmy Butler thing is just incredible. And that's just one example of it. But yeah, I've been really happy to end. So getting a little bit involved in that myself has been has been really fun, and that's going to continue until the peace comes out. And yet that's that's about it for right now. And also, we should mention that not only are we do in the NBA customer, but will be doing. I a version of a gamer dunked on as well. So we'll catch up on news and the wall so talked about what we what we watched Amarna art touch Ellen.

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Kemba Walker Rocks A Gadsden Flag Jacket; George Floyd's Family Attorney Ben Crump Joins Monica Cannon-Grant after Medical Examiner Rules Mikayla Miller Death as Suicide; 10 Year Old Unleashes on Teachers at School Board Meeting; Celtics and Bruins Playoff Atmosphere; Fox Teases Tom Brady Reality Sh

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Kemba Walker Rocks A Gadsden Flag Jacket; George Floyd's Family Attorney Ben Crump Joins Monica Cannon-Grant after Medical Examiner Rules Mikayla Miller Death as Suicide; 10 Year Old Unleashes on Teachers at School Board Meeting; Celtics and Bruins Playoff Atmosphere; Fox Teases Tom Brady Reality Sh

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We will tell you about the latest ridiculous controversy with that also speaking of ridiculous yesterday the medical examiner releases his report and it was determined as they won't expected michaela miller sixteen year. Old girl from opt-in committed suicide as everybody knew. Well it doesn't matter to the race huckster hunters and the griff who've been using this poor girl's death for weeks now. They're doubling down today. Ben crump comes to down at least virtually to multi press conference with the whole crew is accusing the local charge of covering up a murder. It's outrageous and we will tell you all about that. Speaking of outrageous biking man the leader of the insurrection. He has the worst lawyer in the world will tell you about his lawyer. Tom brady is doing a reality. Show a reality show with his family off. The field will sale. That goes and joe biden drove a truck. It was amazing. He drove a truck on an empty track and boy did the media love it. It was amazing. 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I guess it's not technically a playoff game but it was the single most lifeless celtics game That i've ever seen on tv. Assume that people there Thought it was a pretty lifeless in person this is again. The teams the celtics. Red sox. they. They'll thanked the governor. Charlie baker for reopening You know the economy and allowing them to to fill the place. The red sox are going to be able to sell sell the place out. If if they can on may twenty ninth. And i said like i always do. Why don't they just say right now. The economy's opened the state is open right now. You know the data backs up. You know this move. We're open for business and everyone said whenever lots of people saying they need time to prepare. And what are you complaining about. At least we get to on the twenty ninth. And i say they have a game celtics game. It would be tuesday night. It'd be against the wizards. This should be able to sell the place out. We know now people are vaccinated. People are wearing masks. It's not a big thing. That's what they're doing in many markets. They're they're selling the place out this. No no no. We'll wait. We saw. I blame the governor for this one hundred percent we saw again the most lifeless game. It should have been you know jason. Tatum goes off for fifty points. He kind of beats bradley. Beal and russell westbrook in a kind of a mano a mano with his friend. Bradley beal and it sounded like the the most lifeless preseason game with with when a bunch of scrubs plan nobody cared you need fans you need energy and by the way i know. Marv albert is retiring soon whenever he's like eighty I think it's time he's been great. He's been great for five decades but he didn't know who the players were. He didn't care and grant hill was even worse. They just had the they should have. Somebody tweeted this. I said where is gus williams when you need him they. Where's where's tommy. Heinsohn when you need them. You needed someone with some energy. Some life The garden is and that's what sucks to is. I'm not a basketball guy. But i love going up playoff basketball games so the playoffs in general's garden at basketball games is frigging. Not same. thing's going to happen with the bruins. They're going to have a total of three thousand fans or something and it's just not gonna feel right especially coming off the first two games in dc correct. Yeah there's some hey there's some hate between the teams right now so energy and felt like real playoff hockey. Maybe it will maybe hockey's more intense and maybe of the fans who were allowed in will be loud. We'll be crazy. Feel intense but it's a problem. I mean just pumping pumping in fake for tv. This fake kind of like consistent. I it was awful what everyone said it and and people were tweeting with a disgrace. It was that you have a guy you'll the game with real stars and you'll have a game that should have had real energy and people tuning in who haven't been watching lately like me tuning in because it's got you know it's postseason and it's got some real stars real marquee match up and it just felt so flat and it just felt like one of those you know covert games where you say okay people. Are you know that they're not their first of all. There's no crowd it just doesn't feel real when you have. These covert restrictions should a petition. The governor and said what do you think of. Can we just do business in. And we'll get to that the much out the red sox can can sell out on the twenty ninth another what ten days. They ten days from now. They're allowed to do business. And i know that the this. There's another reason i could never run a team. 'cause i couldn't i couldn't do the pr. It takes in a place like boston. The team the red sox had to tweet out. How grateful they were to the governor. Thank you governor and thank you mayor janney for allowing us to do business when all the when all the other markets are wide open other teams have real homefield advantage of real energy are making real money and the red sox had to wait because governor baker wanted to show the world at he was really serious about public health and he wanted to follow suit for his from his fellow. Liberal blue state governors like cuomo and whitmer and the rest of them and gavin newsom at so he wouldn't let them bang the place up to the twenty ninth and saying why can't they do it today and again. Why don't why are they thinking the guy wait. Wait till they find out. Wait till their fans find out the way the celtics and bruins fans are gonna find out that all your favorite watering holes are gone that the force is gone in the greatest bar is gone and fars that surround the garden. and i assume surround fenway. Many of them are gone. The governor put them out of business. And you're tweeting out a grateful. You ought to the man. You should be tweeting out to middle finger saying you know you you know. We're doing business finally. No thanks to you. We survive this and our fans are coming back in the red sox. You lucky they got off to good stock because they didn't want to talk about dead flat lifeless crowds. That's what they would would have on the twenty ninth and hopefully for their sake. They don't go in the tank for the next ten days and they still they have people who show up on the twenty ninth and keep showing up because it's not going to be easy. It's still early. In the season. A lot of people have lost interest. A lot of people are sick of the woke. Nece from many of the professional teams and no team is more woke than the red sox as we all know They're still very proud of the fact that they have. The biggest black lives matter sign in in in professional sports. No one has a bigger. Blm sign then the red sox. That's how woke they are but if they're winning people will show up the wrong to be kind of like. I feel like we've said this. This week is that the tide is turning right. The weather has turned the momentum. Right i feel like the story should be out there if you're gonna tell me a story from whether it's the new york post wherever i know i'd rather know who's not opening up at full capacity to this point yesterday looking for stories today for today's show it was like. Oh wow fenway. Park is going to return at full capacity. Oh wow lollapalooza is going to be full capacity in chicago. It was were shocked now or we're reporting it like we're shocked at that's happening as opposed to know this is what it is. I guess we're shocked at place like boston or chicago. La would allow it. I mean obviously you know. The texas rangers have been open since since opening day houston astros wide. Open atlanta braves. These are places where you know foul cheap predicted a superspreader event. Many desk new york texas yesterday had zero deaths. Cases are down not that that matters but it's under control and texas and they've been wide open with no masks and and no restrictions for for months now and places like boston or catching up. And i assume it's because of the private sector that the red sox and the celtics and all the businesses are saying you're killing us you know you have to get out of the way and finally people like like baker whose instinct is to get in. The way are getting out of the way and allowing these people to do business and you know if the celtics advanced s looks like. They're gonna they're gonna take on the brooklyn nets which is not going to be easy but are- yeah that's too bad. That's a huge talk about marquee. Matchups kyrie coming back to boston. And kevin durant james harden and i mean. That's a game you'd like to see that's a game. The country will tune in to see and they'll tune into the boston game and it won't be the twenty ninth. Yeah which we know the virus scary viruses hanging outside the garden. And it's on the twenty ninth. That goes away. The virus knows about this deadline. So the twenty-eight viruses still lurking so you can have your mask on you. Better be socially distance on the twenty ninth. The scary virus floats away. Fis away and you can show up in full force. The country's gonna tune into that game the cutter's going to tune in if they still have baker still has these ridiculous rules in place. And i guess he will because he can't rush things the country's gonna say whatever happened to the celtics. Whatever happened to the energy in that building. They should boy do. They missed the old garden. Look at this place. There's no sound there's no energy i mean if marv albert still doing the game and and grant hill. It's going to be embarrassing to the city of boston to the celtics to have that kind of lifeless crowd and no energy and they're going to be underdogs and they could get spanked and it doesn't help when you have no home court when you have no energy or no people. They're on your side intimidating. The refs and intimidating. The opposing players. That's the way it's going to be if they don't change the rule and you know they should. I mean let's be honest that this ten day lag time is senseless it. There's no rules. there's no science behind it. Of course it's just a way for these people to extend their control over things. Baker should say today. Good luck to the celtics. Good luck to the bruins. Red sox sell the place. I'm getting out of the way. But he won't. Because that's what they do. And i know you're going to go onto a different celtics. Topics at a mass. But i do want to ask the audience on if you go to cowan. Podcast subscribe to the youtube page but people are in the chat and meredith. Just reminded me the as during the show yesterday. The mia dropped the mask. Mandate and i do. I did see a lot of local high schools. Still requiring their athletes to wear masks on outdoor artem situation. If you're in that situation if your family your kids appoint sports and they have to wear masks outdoors. Let us know in the comments section. I would not a mike. Like i said my kid wear his the graduation the other day and he wasn't happy if i had a kid and he was playing whatever lacrosse and he had to wear the mask and he had you know gaspar air. I would be one of these. Parents would be beside himself. I wouldn't be a handle especially knowing as we've said over and over there is no science. There is no reason no reason no health reason. Nothing for the adults to still do this. And you know. I said this yesterday with shattuck. I'll say it again. It is child abuse. If you're forcing a child to wear masks you are a child abuser. The you should be arrested. And i'm not kidding. This is causing great discomfort to children for no reason other than your other than your twisted sense of virtue other than your selfishness your cowardice. You're forcing children and with shattuck. It's ten year old softball players forcing them to obstructive breath for no hell reason for no good reason at all. It makes you feel better. You're like rachel maddow or or joy reid when you have a mask and the people you feel better now you know you know. You're one of the good guys and the people without masks of the bad guys. That's all that matters to you and it's disgusting. It's truly disgraceful that you do this to kids. I'm going to talk about this every day until something changes because it's so maddening that there are adults out there and we're not calling them out would just allowing them to do this forcing this on children. They should be shamed we should be. They should be ostracized. You should be singled out. Say you are doing this to kids. You're doing this to your kid and other kids. You're a sick person if if you're doing this for your own whatever your own satisfaction making kids do this year a sick twisted individual who should be called out and i'm dead serious. There should be like at this league which they should say. That's the guy kids who making you all do this. That guy we should all know we should all know we should. I should demand his explanation. Why are you doing this to kids. And he won't have one he won't have one. It's makes them feel good. I it's just a disgrace. It's a shameful era in this country will look back some day and say i cannot believe did that to children. We're going to get to the hero that we've all been waiting for one. If not sadly tom shattuck but i. I woke up to this. You sent it to me. And i am in this case. I just laughed out loud. We got a. We got a controversy on the south speed. This in this day and age in this woke geared in this twenty and twenty twenty one in professional sports. This is what you call a manufactured controversy. I'm sure unless unless you re deadspin who reads deadspin. No one will think anything of this. But kemba walker celtics star wore a jacket. You know where this is going last night into the arena a We don't know if you can put this up on the screen. If you're watching here is the celtics. Tweet tweet from the team. And he said it's just epochal team locked in for the plan game and it's got a picture kemba walker showing up. He's got a yellow jacket. He's got a yellow hat. He's got a mask on of course and bag in his hand is showing up the arena on the back of the jacket. It says. don't tread on me. Which in my opinion it's just means nothing means patriotic. It's like it's like a an american flag. It's just a sign of patriotism. It's been around for more than two hundred years been around as long as this country. I was just reading about it and jerry. It was featured prominently january six capital riot featured. Let me ask you this. What else what. Other flag was featured prominently. Oh that would be the american flag. So what if kemba walker showed up with the american flag with that make it. If the symbol of white supremacy or insurrection elite benjamin franklin used it notably that it was a sign it means. Don't tread on me. Don't don't you know i. It was first flown in seventeen. Seventy five in a battle cry for american independence british rule. So it's older than this country and it's a sign of patriotism and i don't care every frigging person in january six habit. I don't think it's been It's been co-opted by white supremacy. Of course that had nothing to do with white. Milo yannopoulos wallace or whatever. His name is wearing that same glow. I don't know what you're talking about. So i mean i guess this is the day that it becomes verboten. You can't use it. You can't say it or the you know the media will we'll call you like when the patriots kicker who had the free percenter tattoo which is again not white supremacy. It's just a right wing gun rights organization representing People maybe maybe some of them storm the capital. That doesn't mean if someone wore that that a jacket or whatever flew that flag january sixty could never be used again. It's still. it's still was used by ben. Franklin it's still was used by the the patriots who fought the british in one independence I'm sorry kemba walker. Should've turned around giving them all the finger. He had no no comment. The team deleted the tweet. And just want it. And i don't blame them. They just wanted to go away. They don't want You know the people showing up today and saying can you explain why you wore that kemba walker. It's a cool looking jacket. I saw it the other day i think was addicts or somewhere. I saw t shirts with that on there. So if it's going to become a symbol of white supremacy. They've been quick and get those all the stores and people who own them throw them away because this symbol of patriotism is been Is now been declared off limits in in the tweet they actually use a hashtag. Jbl xl so. It's obviously a tweet. That's in partnership with jbl whether it be headphones speakers or whatever where they were they just said to themselves like i gotta delete this because just as the brand has some kind of problem with it in some capacity. But they didn't really at some point you have to say you know again. What if it's american flag are they gonna say that's too patriotic. I mean we know that they put the american flag on nike's colin kaepernick didn't like colin kaepernick complained and i believe they they discontinued or whatever the shoe but if colin kaepernick is upset that you use the flag like if he has a jacket or with the flag is not gonna do it. Because you know. The flag was flown on january. Six by all those insurrectionists at some point you have to say get lost ghost crew. This is a cool jacket. This is a cool symbol. It's been around for two hundred and fifty freaking years but whatever we know and i'm not blaming again the kemba walker said he didn't know i believe him but maybe she'd do a little research it don't even have to do any research get lost check. Yeah but y if you like if you like the look of it. Why do you have to do research. You just bought it. He's he doesn't know who cares. I mean if it's a swastika things that are obvious that yes. I don't want to want to get to the kid. I wanna get to the ten year old hero. We have a hero. We have a spokesman. We have a leader in this movement to unmask children to to to to a again. Identify the rotten parents and adults were forcing masks on children. And we have a guy who's going to lead the revolution this is This is more or less. this is moses. This king leonidas writer of a movement is name. is john provenzano. I want to get to him. But i want to finish up with the since you brought up. Portia the my -ticipant reading the the dead spins in the world to bring up january six and when it comes to a. Don't tread on me yup hit you see and we know that it's a complete Political act here putting all these january six people in solitary confinement. They arrested four hundred thirty of them. Dozens of them are still in solitary confinement for trespassing. Essentially there were no guns. There were no murders. They took these people and because they were The trump supporters because they didn't vote for biden the we have this Political purging going on in these people are in solitary for four months without any chance of making bail for trespassing and we have video of the cops. Hellum them come on in. It's the most insane thing in the in. The real in saint part in my opinion is when i tweet about it or mention it all i get when i should say always invariably get a bunch of these spots. Screw them screw them. They're much insurrectionist. And you know. I don't care about them. I'm like you don't have to care about them. But do you care about the the rule of law to be put in solitary with no bail and no charges no date just because you are The the system. The swamp disagrees with the politically. They're charge now in. They're in charge. It's amazing how few people give a damn about these fellow. Americans who are rotting in sales people who own records aren't criminals and they're just sitting there the guy who the guy who put his feet up on. Nancy pelosi desks desks. And i've said before is an idiot and there are a bunch of morons and what they did was a disgrace but again no guns no murders. The only person shot to death was actually babbitt shot by an unidentified cup again. She's on the wrong side so we don't know the cops name. We don't know the circumstances we don't be any any any punishment for the the cop apparently not mean they keep it a secret and you mentioned if it was the other way around was an unarmed. Blm protester and a cup. Just shot her in the throat because she was trespassing. I mean it would be the biggest outrage in the country but these pariahs are you. Why are you speaking so nicely at these people when their own. Their own representation doesn't even represent doesn't speak so highly was gonna if you wanna see one reason. Obviously the big reason that they're all in jail rotting solitary no bail. No chance to make bail is because they didn't vote for by they supported trump period. I mean we all know you know. Most of them are decidedly conduct. Trespassing i mean. They're not but they. They aren't being charged with violent crimes. Or felonies i i mean unless it's some trumped up felony trespassing What they did again was a disgrace but they at what point do you say okay enough. They get to go to trial. The guy put his feet up on. The desk is facing eighty. Two months eighty two months seven years or thereabouts in prison. And he'll get it. I mean because no one's going to defend them and no one's gonna care the the guy who burned the police station to the ground enforcing the cops runaway. Minneapolis burned to the ground. Tried to kill cops by the way. Just burn it. He he's doing for years. And i was surprised it was that much for years. He's he's on the the correct side. He's with anti-foreign. Blm so he gets off easy guy. Put the feet up on. The desk is going to do seven years seven years for trespassing when the cops said come on in. It's insane right now. And so few people care. There's one woman. Julie kelley from american greatness who covers it every day you should follow on twitter reader stuff because she's the only one covering it and it's incredible. It's incredibly outrageous. But we now know one reason i should say that One of the reasons why these people arriving they have a really bad representation in some cases. Viking man we've talked a lot about viking man the the with the with the viking horns and the face painted we have video him saying be peaceful. We have to peacefully assemble. We have video of a copper capital placement escorting them into the senate senate chambers where he just stood there and whatever howled howled the moon is what he does he did. Nothing violent doesn't assault anyone. He doesn't destroy anything. He's been held without bail in solitary confinement for four months. They got him some organic food. That's about it. His name is jacob. Chan's lee. He calls himself the cunanan. He's a total weirdo. He's a total screwball. But again you go away forever for that for being a scruple and trespassing so there's a person who interviewed his lawyer. His lawyer is named albert watkins. A reporter interviewed the lawyer and Tweeted out a An expert an excerpt. This again is the cunanan chaman. The viking man's lawyer the guy who's supposed to be getting him out of solitary confinement and getting him you know make getting bail there. He is right there. This guy's nuts but again being nut shouldn't put you in prison forever The lawyer watkins said his client has asperger's syndrome and indicated that shanley's mental state would play a role in the case quote from the lawyer defending cunanan trauma a lot of these defendants. And i'm gonna use the colloquial term. Perhaps disrespectfully but they're all fucking short. Bus people watkins said these are people with brain damage. They're fucking retarded there on the goddamn spectrum but they're out brothers our sisters. Our neighbors are co workers. They're part of the country. They aren't bad people. They don't have prior criminal history. Fuck they were. Subjected to. Four years of god damn propaganda. The likes of which the world has not seen since fucking hitler. That's the lawyer for viking man. The lawyer right there. Somebody i don't know who should step. In some organization legal legal watch judicial watch and say kay this not god does not have proper representation trying to think of the last movie i watched. That's like this is the comedy scene. Right where the guy needs. Representation hires like fat buddy or whatever. That's not a real. I would say like the cousin. Vinny the other lawyer the stuttering lawyer but this guy just called his client short bus people and retarded his client not to say if this were from some observers in whatever legal observer you'd say okay first of all that's offensive secondly that's not a defense you don't say excuse me your honor my clients short bus person but at least at least. He says they're not bad people. They don't want to make that case. We know that a lot of medals huge debt. A lot more unemployed. A lot of them feel like they're getting screwed by the system we used to give. We respect those kind of people in this case. They're they're they're they're white. Which means that white supremacists so screw them and most people certainly most people in the mainstream media don't care they don't care if the system railroads these people put them itself they forever. They're on the wrong team. But i guess this is a court appointed lawyer because the light like most of the people were arrested on january. Sixth jacob chan's league biking man doesn't have any money so he gets this guy and this guy is his job to get out of solitary. He's getting it done. i think. I don't think he has stands a good chance. Most most amazing quote of ever seen from a lawyer. I tweeted out If you wanna read it in full you will not believe it. It's just stunning that. This is a lawyer in eighteen by the way if like man goes to trial. It's going to be huge. It's not derek chauvin huge. But it's gonna be a big deal. Cameras will be there. The news media will be there and this nut job is supposed to be making a case to to defend his client and what if he goes up the sidewalk at has a press conference. This guy watkins. That is going to be wild. We always thought it was gonna be wild but this is going to be even wilder. If he's still there this quote this interview you know kind of ruined the relationship. Wow i mean what's it talking. Points memo isn't exactly like going to fox news or anything like that so i don't think that's true but the The quotes making the making the rounds. So what did he think. It was off the record. I mean that's a good question. I don't i don't know maybe just thought it was so absurd that he was just like they would never include that in the piece you know he just that happens if people think they're record But whatever we'll find out if the lawyer watkins albert while watkins still representing biking man. I guess i should Root for it. Because it'll be crazy. It'll be theater if he's the lawyer. And he's making an opening statement talking like that but they're all still in solitary for for mostly for trespassing and disorderly conduct. So you know the country is safe. They the republicans in in good hands. Because these people and they don't they they try to overthrow the government. They tried to make biking men are new. God king. it didn't happen. And i love these people. Say we gotta make sure january. Six never happens again. Here's an idea. why don't you line up. All the people take him out of solitary. Take him to the middle on the mall in dc and cut their heads off. How about that. i would have gone. Just kill them. All that will assure january. Sixth never happens again. Make examples out of them. Well i guess throw do that. During solitary january six isn't going to happen again if the law if the If the Capital hill police doesn't let them in then. It won't happen simple as that. 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The movement the anti Let's stop abusing children movement. The anti child abuse movement that wants to take the masks of ten year olds growing. It's it's energized. it's angry as it should be but it needs a leader. I suggested tom shattuck pita leader yesterday. Because he's going to tomorrow. I believe thursday his next softball game. He's gonna tell his kids. Take the mask off even if that one parent that one rotten parents who complained. That kids weren't wearing masks last game forcing all the kids put their masks back on and gaspar air with parents there. It's time that someone stood up and said you can leave get lost. These kids need to breathe done with you were done with all these these fanatics Shattuck you know. He'll be okay. he'll do his best tomorrow. I'm counting on them. But the new leader. The new spokesperson for the movement is named john provenzano. And if you saw john the video. John spoke before a school committee meeting school. Board meeting in martin county. Florida john is ten He's in elementary school. And you want to see somebody who is going be is going to do something with his life. I'm not sure it might be good. It might be bad. He's either going to be you. Know the leader of some massive crime syndicate or. He's going to be president he's brilliant. He's gonna be part of the insurrection. Probably he'll be leader the next insurrection at the capitol and this and his lawyer won't say he's short bus person because he's brilliant articulate. He's smart and he's a a sick of wearing a mask a wet before the school committee. The video went viral then. He was On tucker that he was on newsmax and i was on fox and friends. He's making the rounds and he's each time i'm amazed how articulate is this guy is reading the statement from the most buys reedmen which helps when you're reading a script but he's saying words like claustrophobic. I got you know best friends who couldn't read that word in that would know what that word is. He hypocrisies reading words and he's just so good and he's the best part and will play some of it is. He's indicting teachers. He's not just saying you know it's hard to breathe the one the playground. He said saying that but he's pointing out the teachers. There's a teacher who walks around school. Writing kids up for their mass doesn't cover the face and he's pointing out the teachers yell at the kids. If they pull the mask down to drink water and then they sit there and do the same thing. They the teachers. Pull the mask down a drink water. So he's calling out his own teachers so this kid is brilliant. But i'm just gonna guess he's not gonna get straight a.'s anymore because he made these. Take these teachers look like a real big part of the problem. I know these are the orders from above. But if you let child breathe you know. Just say understand. What's the downside. You think you're going to get in trouble if you're a teacher. And they find out. Oh you're ten-year-old drank water. Your ten year old ran on the playground with the mask wasn't covering his nose. That's the kind of lunatics. We have in in classrooms in teaching. Now not all of them a lot of them have gotten into bought into the fanaticism and they're enforcing this on children but let's hear from ten year old. The new leader of the movement our own william wallace john provenzano screen ten years old. Closer to i just turned ten years old. I'm a fourth grader. At felix say williams. I expected school to be a little bit different in the beginning. But i didn't think it would stay this way all year long and i was surprised by the rules. A lot of them didn't make any sense to me like the fact that we were not allowed to play on the playground. Or have stooped council. You're turn to face each other lunch and we also have to wear masks outside at pe and on track. I love my school and all but my t shirt seem release stress and that makes me feel bad. One teacher walks around with clip portfolio referrals for any student whose masks on promptly. It makes me feel scared. That same teacher yells at us. Having mask founded drink water while we are outside in carlin she told us we have to wait until we were in our parents car to have a drink of water. She had hermit down the entire time. She was yelling at us. Which makes me in all my friends very mad. This happens a lot and it seems unfair. Teachers take myself weather yell while they yell at us. Kids in that we need to Hours up i honestly mom. If there's a word for this and said there is hypocrisy actor right there turn tan and this goes on for house for like three minutes and then he went on with tucker and he was. The same way was just glib but articulate and not the least bit nervous no stage fright and this kid at all which is amazing at that age knowing the cameras on them heli speaking for the school board and he's calling out his teachers and he does it without a without hesitation. I mean this little more background to this to this kid. I think i think we know. His father is Ah leading the movement to his father the day before was speaking to the school committee and they give them three minutes so he's talking about crazy. It is because he's sick of watching. These teachers abused his child or his school. Administrators coaches abuses child. I mean if you're a parent this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to stand up and demand an end of this. Because they're abusing your children. You should never tolerate this. But then you're not supposed to use your kid as a pond for the next day. Now granted wireless. You are when you kick that smart now. It father speaking before the school board and they declared they decide. It's time is up and he's talking about how much damage they're doing. And and by the way we just talk about the physical damage the you can't breathe and but the psychological damage of doing. This kid said that he met a teacher who's had all year and the teacher didn't know it was him didn't recognize him. He said oh. I didn't know you were in my class after like seven months because his face has been covered the whole time. You don't see the smiles. You don't see the facial expressions it's just so it's just so bad for people and specifically children but the father spoke before the school board and they play the video the cops like drag them away. They pulled him mike out of his hands because they said they've heard enough these arrogant. Sob's on the school board had heard enough from parrot who didn't want is kid being abused any longer and they like drag the father away so it's in the families full family God bless them is fighting back. Somebody's got to. And i think this this moment. This is a viral moment. That people are going to see all over the country. And i realized in in blue state in red states where things are good and the economy's good and the governors are a are not these tyrannical Monsters like they are in blue states. They're not it's not a problem. So although that's florida and this kid even said like or maybe father said that rhonda santa's is on their side. I'm not sure why run to santa's can't just order all the schools to stop abusing children. But i think this is going to become a hero. And he's going to become a leader and there's gonna be lots of the kids liked him who stand up and say enough enough. But i don't know if you wanna play any more of him but went up for a while he was so good and it was just amazing. He said a again. I you know. I would say i couldn't do that. Well i damn sure note coast. Hell no shot in. Hell you put your ten year old kid out there the next night after you did it. There's no shot and how you use your kid a upon in that y- so you do you. Don't think the kids telling the they got year old. No mean a ten year olds the one wearing the mask day. What do you stand but others. Not the one at recess around a ten year. Old is smart enough to know the stupid thing. They're forcing him to wear is not helping anything. He's smart enough to know he's sick of it attained. I hate them but they respect the rules and if it was something where he like. I don't know. I don't know the best way to do it. But at this girl this kid this kid is speaking and he's getting into details about uncomfortable. it is. It's hot out the forcing him to do this out at track running on the track running at recess. This is madness and this kid is speaking up. And i guarantee you. He's making a difference. I'm not sure if the entire country will immediately say no more masks for children but it should it should. We should all be doing it. We should how many times in health. I don't have a kid in elementary school in this pisses me off the no end that these teachers these hypocrites saying put your mask on before you get on and go leave school and yelling at children's teachers walking around the hallway writing down names of ten year olds who break the rules. This is madness. We've turned our teachers and no bunch of knox although many of them joined the role in we've turned our kids into into revolutionaries fighting system. Finding the man in this kid's john provenzano I won't live long enough to see him. Make it to the white house or make it to the senate or become the next leader of some massive drug cartel but he's going to become a leader of some big movement. And you know. I think i think and i look forward to root for him because this was brilliant. Maybe maybe you're right and they'll never stopped. Maybe he'll be on tv every night. I mean how many times do you think. He practiced that hypocrisy line with his mother and father the night before. Now is quick to me but to me that makes it even more amazing. Can you imagine getting a ten year. Old to practice is speech. I mean i get get him to get learn it that well i mean. That's amazing knows how crazy i mean to your point just show how pissed off are that. There will make a spectacle of their child to get a point across the way up to his parents. It was like you know what i wanna do. I wanna go. I want to write a speech. In performance at the next board meeting like they. They recommended that at what what if he came home every day and said mom. I'm so sick of this mask. I can't breathe. That sweaty teacher yelled at me and they said you know what enough this is what we need this exactly what we need. People have fallen followed along like sheep for too long for no reason. I mean and what they're and to me. This should be the breaking point. The government or the head of the school committee a principal. Whatever the this position this person imposition of power is forcing parents to abuse their child. They're inflicting pain on child. We went through this yesterday. This is madness that whatever. The leader of the softball league is just this twisted adult. Who says you know what i want to see. These kids gasp for air. I don't wanna see their faces. I wanna i wanna make it hard to breathe for no reason. Everybody knows there's no health reason there's no science reason. There's no science behind this no data. They know it they know it. They don't care. It's amazing that we've reached this point that there are any adults who were favor this and there are you know millions of them around the country. That said well can't be careful. It's mask up the ten year olds. It's insane and it's about time people thought back and hopefully up tomorrow night shattuck gets old team to fight back. This is what every parent of a ten year old should be doing. They should not be saying well. You know we got rules. are rules. rules are rules. Sorry can't breathe out at recess rules in rules and the kids should say. What does this do. what's good side. what's the upside. there is. non is just again symbolism. people say look. I'm still care though. They know this kid's not going to get the virus they know they're not gonna give anyone else they know it and they don't care these are bad people will say again but shattuck said his daughter. This is a softball teams. Ten year old right. So it's the sweet. So he should have his daughter do the speech for him because we know he can't pull it off do it tomorrow night and go viral promote the burn fire on. It's like a win win win. But you know what you know that most people are on your side. Most people realize how ridiculous is again. The person foist forcing this foisting. This on children is in the minority. The very small minority. There aren't any coaching. The clear thinking adults. Who want to do this. There are none. there is none no adult. Who's thinking that clearly wants to mask child. None these people are doing it. Have something wrong with them. Something wired wrong with them. They want kids to suffer. We should not be deferring to such rotten people. Such bad parents people. And i'm just going to say thank you john provenzano for leading the way. Hopefully many many more people follow your lead including including coach tom. Shattuck of the of the falcons tomorrow night but we shall see a couple of other things we have to get to. Joe biden drove a truck. That was very exciting. An electric f one fifty which no one no one wants. No one's going to buy. No one cares. People love f. one fifties their bestselling vehicle in america. The people buying them. Don't mind in a bind gas. They don't wanna pay extra for electric conscious to make just a virtue signal because that's what they are as we all know As as been proven many times praises do more damage to the environment than hummers. The preez need batteries. Batteries are mind in and they don't care it just makes them feel good and if you got a lot of money you buy a tesla. That's again showing how a virtuous you are but it goes really fast and it looks cool. So that's different. The people driving f. one fifties onto clamoring for vehicles even know Even know biden strobe one on a track. The real funny part. I shouldn't say funny. The notable part if you missed it as he drove around the track and then he stopped and talk to the media the media talk to his fan club these giggling slobbering children who cover the president. And everybody's and he made a joke about running one of them over. It was stupid. Wasn't even like a joke but ready before you can't get from the cars. I step on okay. I understand that he wasn't serious. And i'm not taking offensive and saying oh he wants to kill the media but they laugh and then when he pulls away they left hysterically. Can you help me out. cohen. I'm not that smart. Where's the joke. Can i ask you a question about israel. No not unless you get in front. And when i got it yeah so if you ask a question i'm going to kill you. Is that the joke. I guess so. I guess they're not doing what they should be doing. Yeah it wasn't that it will new play. Can you play it when he pulls away. Because if you think these slobbering sycophants were bad when they giggled at that little is cracked instead mr president where he drives away and not only does the media start laughing hysterically at nothing. They start cheering. They literally start cheering because biden. And i guess there's reason for this biden drove a car. A biden could drive. It's i guess there's no one else on the track which is how you know when you're his age and you're struggling cognitively and you get confused easily. There are people who say you know you. Maybe shouldn't be on the road and the good news is he. Wasn't there was an empty track so they weren't many people who were in danger but if you could play the sound when he pulled through all right best guess driver ever this is the media quote unquote the the this. These are the journalists there laughing hysterically because the president drove a pickup truck and made a wise crack which wasn't funny and they start clapping. I mean you could see a little gaggle cameras. Mike's reporters best test driver. Evers at the guy the same guy who said we love your dogs. We love your dogs again. I i know it's kind of a tired old thing but you know if that's trump first of all they say trump they would say trump threatened a murderer reporter and secondly they would say god. What an what an a hole when he pulled away instead. It's that's the best test driver ever. God what an embarrassment. What a sad collection of sycophants we have covering the white house but Any speaking you know they're not as bad. I should say these. These fools covering biden. As the people. And i know i'll specified. Say the people from the boston globe which is Not really again a newspaper but they should be covering this next story because it's big the stories bag and it's today at least it's going to go to another level we've covered it. We've talked about it. Especially with turtaboi michaela miller. We know the name you know the name. She's the sixteen year old tragic story. Sixteen year old committed suicide. She obviously had issues. She had a problem with her girlfriend. She's a african american lesbian teenage girl from hopkinton who hanged herself a few weeks ago. she was near home from a tree with a belt. They didn't investigation a thorough investigation. His lot more evidence turtaboi has uncovered it. Turtle boy has As blocked about it shown you the text. It was a troubled. Young woman clearly had big big emotional issues and Sadly ended her own life. It's obvious the cops know it. The the people at the upton high no it people Friends friends know it. The the people exploiting situation lying about it are some of the worst people in the world. I mean these are genuinely vile human beings beginning with monica cannon grant the activist the race hustler. Who we've gone over. This turtle boy has blocked about it. She is just one of the worst people in the world. She she and she calls everyone racist and she uses just the most vile slurs and she gets away with it all because if you criticize her electoral boy. You know you're racist. She is a timid people to the point where the city of boston provides her with an office to the point where people in the suburbs rich white liberal women send her money. That's how she pays the bills. They send her money and what she does is. She's kind of a local small time. You know race. Huckster like al sharpton type or ben crump Ben crump if you don't know ben crump. Ben crump's the lawyer as kind of become the lawyer. Some of these high profile cases represented George floyd family. And i'm not sure what he does other than take his cut. George floyd firmly. Jacob blake Brianna taylor the big high profile cases he swoops. In and takes you know a third. He's made millions because cities the government has settled with the families of some of these people. And what he does is he comes. In represents the family and tells bald-faced blatant flat out lies. He lies he rows up the crowd times. It leads to riding looting sometimes even leads to death and come doesn't care as long as he gets thirty three percent. Ben trump is coming to town today. we believe it's virtually but he's gonna do a press conference with the family of michaela miller we know about michaela's mill miller's mother. She's she's not a nice person. She abused the girl. She abused her own daughter. Turtle boy has proved that he's laid out the case and she knows her daughter committed suicide. Everybody knows that. Monica cran kindergarten knows it ianna presley. Who has again fan. The flames of this Racial animosity made it seem like white. Kids supported the people who are accusing the white kids of killing michaela miller. They know they didn't they all alibis. The police cleared the mall. Everybody knows what happened here. But they're gonna lie. Because that's what ben crump does he's gonna come to town today virtually again and he's going to repeat the light amplify lie in hopes of creating this division in hopes of creating in and maybe create some violence. Create some some looting some writing. It's what he does. It's what he's done every step of the way he started with the lie about michael brown and ferguson saying hands up. Don't shoot we know. That was a lie. He said jacob blake was unarmed. He said brianna brannagh tale was asleep in her bed. He says these things to the cameras he says on twitter and the result is big big problems. He doesn't improve the situation anywhere he goes. He doesn't come the fears. He doesn't Avoid the violence. He stokes the flames incites the violence. He's going to try to do that. In new england today in hopkinton. Maybe in boston he's going to reach out to everybody and he's going to repeat this ally michaela miller sixteen year old girl was murdered. It's despicable and we talk about lots of despicable things. We're about the the mask tyrants masking children that's bad that's not in this in this league in this league you have people and again. Monica kenneth grant tito jackson. Yana presley a sinning congressperson. Who knows michaela miller committed. Suicide does not care. Michaela miller's black. Some of her friends were white. Not all she's going to accuse you know through her proxies of there being cover up. I'm not sure the motive of a cover up do you think that the people in op content or the people in the police state police you know. Want to cover up for the the white kids to hang. It's absurd the old notion. Their whole theory is absurd. But that's a powerful people on their side including sitting congresswoman. And now the most high profile race huckster in the country right. Now i mean more than more than al sharpton is ben crump. He was done in north carolina for For andrew brown. Of course who is. It's all already been. The investigation is complete. The cops were exonerated. It was a justifiable shooting Andrew brown headed rap sheet ten miles long. He was a forty two year. Old guy a drug dealer with ten kids. Or noah believes lots of kids who Was not a great parents. He was in the course of dealing drugs when he came at the cops with the police car with the car. They shot him investigation to place he was. They were exonerated. it was justifiable. It didn't matter ben. Crump accused him of killing them in cold. Blood tried to get everyone riled. Up elizabeth city north carolina tried to get some you know some writings and small businesses looted. That's goal. he's gonna try it here today. It will fail because even even if you're you know even if you want to believe this even if you want there to be you know race wars if you look at the facts if you look at this if you read tb daily news and see all the texts you realize that they're lying you realize that they're creating this this this myth this narrative. That just isn't true. She committed suicide. It's tragic. i mean. Her mother abused her. She had a terrible mother. She had real deep-seated problems. That's awful that's tragic. And now one of the things that people like ben crump and monica cannon grant tito jackson and presley doing helping her mother raised money turtle boys got the latest on the go fund. Me it's up to fifty eight thousand. I believe for mom again but the mother who us assaulted her own daughter is raising money and apparently doing pretty successfully Let's see what it's up to fifty eight thousand one hundred sixty one of a goal of forty thousand. So far exceeded their goal. And this was just was it a couple days ago. Monica cannon grant on facebook came up with this whole theory of Of the murder. You know it says she. This is the person that by the way. The celtics honored the who else wanted her. The red sox. I believe the city you know. She's got she's got an office again you know. She's got all kinds of support from public officials elected officials and she writes on facebook. There is no way michaela could have killed herself. She was found standing upright with a belt around the neck which was tied to a tree. That was neither tall nor sturdy enough to withstand her body weight. The belt in belong to michaela or a mother. She was assaulted by five white teenagers the night before. A couldn't those familiar with the incident. Michaela met up with her ex girlfriend and was set to return and belongings When they met up our ex girlfriend was joined by four white teenager who drove in from a nearby town. She goes to the details of how they could have and did murder. It's ally she slandering four teenagers high school kids and people like i added presley in. Ben crump the pedo. Jackson are helping slander. Four teenagers who are innocent. The cops they have alibis the cups investigated and they again sitting congresswoman. This high profile lawyer going to help this despicable person. Slander lie about four kids for kids. Who did nothing by the weight. Lost their friend to suicide. And they're gonna call her. Call them murderers and they're going to do it again. The investigation was completed yesterday. The medical examiner declared it was suicide as everybody already knew it was done. That's the time. When monica cannon gretna yata presley is supposed to say. We're sorry we apologize to those kids that we accused or implied. Were involved in this. We're sorry but of course they won't of course that's not going to happen. ben crump's going to come in today and say she was murdered. How does how does ben crump jumping on a zoom call create any type of You know momentum to get them what they're looking for you know so i mean it's too late it's too late. We all know it was suicide but then they just can't let go. I mean i assumed the mom wants to run up the run-up go fund me. I mean fifty eight thousand. She's probably can you know she could get millions It's probably looks at you. Know like brannagh taylor george. Floyd family have gotten millions. twelve fourteen. Twenty seven million. And maybe ben crump's telling her they could do that. Maybe they could sue. Hopefully they can't but you never know in this day and age and maybe they just think they can get more support. This is people who will are looking for a cause and they won't. Maybe they won't take the time to to read the details. They won't take the time to read the texts in in the full report from the medical examiner. Ben crump doesn't he doesn't mind telling a big fat lie that gets you know neighborhoods destroyed gets people killed as long as it gets him in support gets him his percentage. He's cool with that A friend will. Cain did a commentary on fox news. Last night he did the seven pm. Show any laid out the case and just took ben crump apart late up the case he went through each case again. Jacob blake and you know starting with trayvon martin and michael brown goes through. Jacob blake beyond a taylor. George floyd and guy who's a lawyer. It's not some crazy activists like like nonaka crangate can grant. He's a lawyer and in each case he lies. You know jacob. Blake was on armed outta taylor was asleep on and on and on and in many cases and again we'll kane did tallied it. Up neighbors got destroyed. People get killed in this. God isn't apologizing just the opposite cashes in and this you know virtually no real negative publicity because people are afraid just like they're afraid of monica cannon grant they no one will call her out for the for the for the con artist. She is and they're afraid of ben crump. We'll we'll caned laid it up beautifully and it's remarkable. This guy just lies about every case doesn't care they wouldn't would they win a judgment against the city against the state takes his one third and moves onto the next case. He doesn't care if cities communities like in minneapolis or ferguson. Or kenosha get destroyed does not care not is concerned. He's back on the private jet and out of there with his with his thirty three percent. I think Will cain made a little run at seven pm slot with this because this was trending everywhere. What's do it for two nights so far and they were excellent. he's porn his heart and soul into it. I think you're right. I don't know what i know. Bobby barack from uptick has been handicap in the race and the competition between all the people going for that seven pm slot. I think he threw his name right in that he kind of came out of nowhere. You came out of nowhere but here. He was last night on that. Podium on that legal team last month is the master of deception. The one who has set the standard for these attorneys. The one whose lies have become to be chanted in the streets of america in the one who has gotten rich off of these lies been crump. Ben crump is the most dangerous man in america. Chances are you are familiar with his name. You've seen a microphone after almost every race related high-profile tragedy tamir rice and mata arbery. George floyd you heard his lives on michael brown. Brianna taylor mckee o'brien but what you don't know is the crump might be the single most destructive force in america. That's the he goes into all the outlines now but he's he's cut the receipts. He's got the tax. I mean the tweets from crump any tweets all the time and he tweets just makes stuff up. Says you know whatever. Bana taylor's asleep in her bed. He's involved in the case. He knows it's not true. He says jacob blake was unarmed. Not true doesn't care. Just you know. He knows what he's doing and he's out to make a lot of money and raise his profile and he just lies flat out lies and he's going to do that today with Michaela mill is mother and assume others will be involved in this. It's going to be a virtual press conference they're gonna accuse the cops and the medical examiner of a cover up which is outrageous and unfortunately the cops and the in the medical examiner and the other officials can't really fight back they won't fight back they'll just say you know here's the investigation is completed suicide but you know if you want to really find out how ridiculous it is. Go to turtle boy go to tv daily news. He's got the texas he's got sources he has laid out a devastating case against the mother and others monica canaan grant of course But it's it's amazing that they're anybody's gonna give these people the time of day but they will and unfortunately mom is going to continue. I don't know if that go fund me is going to continue to to run up again. Fifty eight thousand one hundred. Sixty one kelvin. Kelvin kelvin's struthers is the mom and she is cashing in and she'll be there today with monica cannon grant and ben crump and they will it be advancing the same lie one day after the medical report medical examiner's report came up proving it was a suicide. It was an independent investigation. These people don't have they don't have an interest in this they don't want to cover up any murders they certainly have. There's no motivation for them to cover up a murder of a sixteen year old child. It's absurd but she doesn't care does not care at all but we'll be watching that you know she will be counting the lies and Turtaboi i'm sure. We'll be blogging about it. That's today at one o'clock and we will. We'll talk about it tomorrow with. Our boy are weird Friend the weird worcester blogger but we will leave it there for today. I'd put a call into wilkins wanted to join us. But he's on fox and friends. And i'd say always on fox for i'd say seven pm primetime and he's kicking ass and you know rooting for him but Knowing just on watson friends and he should be because he did a great job on this story which so few people you think. You're gonna hear that on any other network. I think you're going to read that in these corrupt. You know dying newspapers the globe. The new york times. Are they going to point out. That ben crump as intentionally lied and fan the flames of racial division over and over again for his own personal profit. Does anyone even point that out. No because they're afraid of him and they're afraid of people like monica cannon grant who will come after you and call you racist if you dare question their motives. Well you know. Bring it on. Ben crump. We'll see you today at one o'clock and we will we'll be. We'll be listening to the garden. Boston garden crowd sounds today. See you'll be you think it'll be quite as dead as as last night. Yeah i won't be to electric. Even they'll playoff hockey should be a good atmosphere than regular season hook. You know it is. It's guarantee up before you go personally. You just mentioned personal profit. I just want to put my name in there. I am all for tom. Brady reality show every angle of no. We didn't get to it all. I'm all for too. But i feel like i've seen it already. It's going to be a lot of him drinking protein shakes and getting massages and doing his funky workouts. You think you're going to be like in the bedroom with tom and giselle. What do you think you're gonna see with even seen as kids you know. Some someone wants called. his is a little daughter. Vivian nasty name. I've watched a water reality television throughout my day. I don't think i've watched a lot involving an athlete though. I don't know why so. I'm trying to think of what it could be like. I'm trying to compare it. You know i love brady. But i don't think it's going to be all that interesting to get isn't even like drink. He doesn't swallow. He swears but Do you think you're gonna see any kind of edgy. You know questionable behavior. I mean he's not gonna different. Tom brady now he feels i mean he's he's hammered. He's drinking once every once a year he's hammered. He gets warmer every year. The parade when he wins the super bowl. But you know what. I'll watch. Because i'm a sucker for all things brady but i think we might be disappointed. Maybe allow out there on his seventy seven foot yacht tooling around the biscayne bay or something. But i don't know it's it's amazing. How brady just find something to capitalise. He's he's going to be a billionaire with his wife and he just finds something to to sell every day takes it to another level whether it's additives or equipment or shirts and hats. Whatever i mean. There's always something. Tb twelve is peddling. The latest is a reality tv show which will be on fox by the way. I'm not sure is is good friends. Like you know gayle. King or a or or oprah again appreciate them him selling this to fox but it's going to be on fox. It's going to be rally show magic when he retires. I mean when he's not what he's done playing which will be like five years from now and he has much more time on his hands. Then when really going to see team brady go into drive and o'brady inc go into overdrive but you know what it doesn't take away from his As performance on the field god knows and people people want it. there's a market for but when's that gonna happen. Gino's your they said it's there's no date on it yet and it's It's ten of we scheduled. They did it to kind of hang out there with the during an advertisers presentation so it was basically like what's to come you know. Keep people guessing stuff like that. So i think at the earliest it looks like twenty twenty three. I assume finally r. I p to charles grodin one of the great side. Sidekicks one of the great Supporter actors of all time. He was an and i talked to my My sometimes friend my former partner. Who loves charles grodin about this. He's he was brilliant in a supporting role to the all time. Greats obviously midnight run with robert deniro but in Lonely guy with steve martin. He was funny as hell as they kind of dour loser friend but neither of them did they ever have a sequel or another and i said when i saw him with first time midnight. Run with dinner hosted those guys to do it again. That's great chemistry. And same with steve. Martin and charles grodin. They never did it again. In either case. And i'm just gonna guess it's because charles grodin off screen in real life was a little difficult we saw when he had that talk show has been stories about him being a little temperamental. I'm guessing it wasn't easy to work with. So they never did it again. But it's too bad that they did. You know midnight run ended. They were both alive and well and they could have done it again. They could have made it a franchise and god knows the narrow will do anything for money in this day and age so he would have done it. But charles grodin was It was really good. It wasn't over exposed. You know what i mean. He just did his thing and did it. Well and and that was it. But i i can't believe he's eighty six and we were talking about this yesterday. A whole bunch of these guys are gonna start dropping you know like the and hoffman and pacino an gene hackman and robert duvall. They're all and jack nicholson. They're all up there you know. They're all eighties late eighties. They're gonna start dropping and we're going to be seeing the retrospectives on the careers of the great actors of all time and guys like nicholson. They're already done you know he's got he's got some dementia e can't do it anymore. He's alive but he's not He's not working anymore. And guys like deniro eldest do anything. They'll do dirty grandpa movie just for the money to pay the bills so i think the glory days for for the the great generation of actors are over. I'll watch that movie. Where deniro interns with anne hathaway every single time. It's on tbs. That's a fantastic. The internet's golden. Can't turn the channel fast enough. I i like to think of him. As you know the raging bull or think of ms cape fear. We've so great. I mean just so very and midnight run. He was just so great I don't like to thirty grandpa or or. The fockers got hate the fox. Just it's just sad but anyway we will leave it there thanks to you and shake creighton. Alad paving thanks. Everybody for For listening and watching and liking on youtube and subscribing on youtube we really appreciate it. Anything else conan. Nothing crazy if you are in the. I don't know what's going on with actual stock market. If you're into the bitcoin. Bitcoin grows out there. I don't know what was going on today. But it's bad news so by the one you're interested by the tomorrow tomorrow to cut out some time. We're gonna dave cullen and explain to you what happened to the bitcoin market. What happened to the crypto currency. Market today you you get to the bottom that do some research and you fill us all into mom all right awesome. Prayers folks thoughts excellent. Excellent gerry callahan. This is the callahan podcast and we will do it again tomorrow. Why am i stopping. You know what else stops. I don't i can i go home gerry. Callahan post june. 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