14 Episode results for "Kelvin Jones"

ERP005-Stuff That May Happen on a Ride

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

12:13 min | 3 years ago

ERP005-Stuff That May Happen on a Ride

"Welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you live and direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from our a home in beautiful gluck stat mississippi to wear you find podcasts with your hosts. The quarter ton of writing fund those cycling good citizens the the boy scouts who never heard a discouraging word jimbo rarely and kelvin jones remember friends these to a quarter of a ton so you don't have to take they get away boys. Hey everybody welcome back to the encouragement arrived podcast on your host co host jim rayleigh. I'm with kelvin jones kevin that worry power. I'm going to say that i'm a little bit of a star trek star wars guy today because we just got through with a ride. I was on on somebody. That was a little sticky so may be with you. I'm glad i wasn't on that rodway yeah. Would you have for lunch brother mexican it just as a temp donate mexican before going to bike ride unless unless you're riding with a tailwind okay there you go yeah everybody looking. Thanks for coming back last last week or last episode. We talked about riding into the wind and this week. We're going to talk about other stuff. That kind of happened on rides or you run into on a ride that you kind. I need to be mindful of and we'll give you some tips on how to deal with it. Yeah so one of the biggest things that you might find if you're riding around is animal kingdom. The dog dog loves to come out and challenge you when you pass by his front yard and sometimes they'll go farther than your his yard and he'll chase you down the street three. So what do you do. What do you think you do well. I can tell you from my experience. <hes> i typically you know first thing i do is i try not to really outrun the dog because if you're not used to writing at a higher speed or you get nervous and that sort of thing typically i use it you know yell sit or stop in a very very strong voice. I also pull up my water bottle and i will squirt water at the dog. It's you know sometimes gatorade. Nothing's nothing's gonna hurt the dog. We're not mason them but i usually yell at the dog. Tell him to stop. I usually take one of my feet off my clips so in case i do need to stop quickly. If the dog gets too she close to my wheel that i don't run over it and cause even bigger problems yeah. That's great about taking your foot out of the clip real quick so you can make sure you're not falling if you're riding with other people like like you said. Don't stop just keep peddling edger normal speed. Don't try to outrun it or speed up or a wave out. You're out of the way because you could cause your fellow cycles to get hit and fall down as well. If the dog chases you keep pedalling yield back at him as loud as you can sometimes sometimes if i give a like an alpha male bark back to him and just kind of stops them in their track but yeah water bottles were really good. You can get your water bottle out scored him in the face. If they get really close i find the little dogs are the ones that have no fear the big dogs run after you and then they'll stop a little because you know they're like us. They're big and they're like. I'm doing so but little wants manigault forever and they'll they'll chase you so you need to just number one. Stop trying to outrun. 'em keep your same pedal gear yell at them and don't swerve out of away because you might hit something else like an oncoming car or another bike rider well in another thing the bigger dogs typically protecting their territory so they'll come to the edge of the yard and start barking this that and the other. We actually had a situation. I guess it was saturday your week or so ago where we actually had a dog bark at us and the owner of the dog caught us about a mile up the road and most people have dogs you know we're riding the contract so they're not going to typically be tied up or they're not going to be pinned up <hes> but if you wrote a certain area and you have a problem with a particular doll when you're done with your rod driver nicely and say hey look <hes> rod pasture house every week and the dog kinda runs his down <hes>. How would you like for us to deal with your dog or if you don't mind you know keep them in new fence. Do whatever mostly will be nice about it is some won't and you just have to deal with that part of it but most people know that if if a dog at their dog is bothering you they'll do something about it and usually in a positive way another thing you run across when you're riding on the roads is roadkill area. Yes down here in the south. You may think this is funny me but <hes> there's tons of dead possum and armadillos. We call those early of the porn stars of the animal kingdom because they're always lying on their back with their legs up in the air. That's great. We'll we'll keep that one. The other stuff we run into is <hes> we run into skunks. They're usually right on the side of the road. Usually not the middle. That'll also they'll be road. Kill on the side of the road this time of year when <hes> thumper said ralph twitter painted they're chasing after the young honeys there a a lot of debt staff. Oh and monday monday's ride. I went by late carolina to local lake here and they were too huge. Snakes on the road one was dead. I'm glad that one was dead because because he was big you know it was it was the damage that was the size of this micro so that's about three inches wide on the snake and it was dead thankfully but then i came on my way back i crossed the smaller states that <hes> snake that was crossing the road and i do beer out of its way because it tried to strike me as i went so and it was a cotton now wow now and so i was not happy on monday so yeah little animals reptile worlds and dead animals always be aware of those and also from a from a safety perspective but do not unless you absolutely have to don't ride over a carcass because those little bones will last retire just as quickly as broken glass. They try to avoid it. If you're riding with people pointed out we'll get into some stuff later but basically just point at it in a conway avoid read it so while you're avoiding dead animals on the side of the road. <hes> is another thing that all obviously is common sense is try to avoid the potholes slowdown for any speed bumps that you have <hes> don't go flying over the speed bump so they could possibly make you go flying over your handlebars and the other thing that a lot of people don't think about but <hes> ars one of our friends at jan. She can tell you from firsthand experience. She was writing in her neighborhood. She takes a curve and she goes around a curve and somebody it was mowing their grass and had grass clippings all in the road as human around mccur her tires hit the grass clippings and out from under she went and she ended up unfortunately and enter hill falling on that side so you see grass clippings somebody mowing the grass spring or this summer if it's safe to clear to move to the other side just for a moment is trying to move away around that those grasp pelicans because that can be very a slick when you're writing out another thing is if you happen happen to get caught in the rain while you're bike riding. The asphalt is pretty good about keeping you upright but the painted stripe lines. They tend to be very slippery when they're wet so if you if you must ride or find yourself getting caught in the rain try to avoid or the painted parts of the asphalt reduce your speed try to avoid taken short terms even on asphalt with some of the the wheels out there. If you're riding your little your beach cruiser or you're riding your single speed around the neighborhood. Those tires are not ought. Radial tires like on a car. They're going to be slick or they're gonna be odd shaped to where you're not gonna have as much gripping area or grip strength and that rear wheel or front wheel. We'll just flat out <hes> from around you. I was riding with my wife. Who's starting to ride a little bit in our neighborhood and i would point out to her. Okay watch out for this pothole. Watch watch out for the grass clippings. You know just being safe and communicate. You know that's part of what you do when you're just have a sense of community have some quiet time more for right around <hes> kelvin. We ride just the two of us. We talk about lots of stuff but be safe vocal. You know if you're coming up to a stop sign with a with a small group in your neighborhood would stop. Let everybody know what's clear and let them know you're moving yeah. That's one thing that we do here. In the state of mississippi we try to teach our new riders that if you're writing clean and you obey all traffic laws so if you come up to a red light or stop sign especially if there's other cars around come to a complete stop and obey the traffic signs and loop via the laws just as as if you were in a vehicle now one thing here that we do is if there's no absolutely nobody around like at a four way stop and at a light. We're not heavy enough to trip the sensor to make the light turned green. So if there's nobody around and you wait and you wait you wait and you wait then if there's nobody there than than than we go ahead and just ease on across the intersection in go back across on our way. There's nobody you four way stop. We'll slowdown will ease up to this alway. Stop signs look. There's not any cars around will lease through but if there's a car we say let's let's make a good impression on the cars and well. Let's let's follow the biking checking the the laws of the road as if you were driving a car and when we come up to the stop sign if they get there about the same time or or even a little bit after us. Let the cars go through because you're going to get through the intersection a lot faster than you so and i just kind of shows you tip of the hat they were. We're not gonna on a slow you down and leaves a good taste in her mouth and a good impression because they're enough cyclists out there that one stop signs busy turns or or run stop lights. <hes> flipped cars off with their texas. Howdy middle finger day. You go so you know. It's like it's one one bad apple spoils the whole barrel well. That's just anything in cycling is no different so <hes> when you're outrun try to be a good ambassador obey the traffic laws sound off when you see a hazardous thirties hazardous situations such as potholes dead animals barking dogs coming at you now kilman. I'm gonna i'm gonna throw him out there a little bit kelvin's he's got this one special place. We ride and we've got a herd of cows that liked to chase kelvin. His bike is read by called el toro and evidently the the cows. Nobody yeah and i had a ball. Come charging at me at the fence. Luckily doesn't hop the fence but he likes to run at me. <hes> i guess because of my red bike so look hey thank you again for having this kelvin is going to leave us with <hes> this episodes encouraging word right right. Today's encouraging word is basically out of webster's dictionary. The word is mentor and the definition of mentors inexperienced entrusted advisor so far you beginning people that are out there thinking about getting on the bicycle and and we've given you some good basic groundwork work. Find your cellphone experienced rider and talk to 'em her. Have them see if they can take you for a ride. I mean the best experiences hands on experience and try try to be a try to find you mentor and then act after you get your expanse then you become a mental twosome absolutely and also if you find somebody. It's always more more fun to do this. I won't say a group. It's always fun to do it with somebody else. You'll push each other. Find somebody to ride with either your wife. Your girlfriend kid a neighbor neighbor. Somebody that you can mentor each other push each other talk about two different writings als on their next for sure so thanks again again for for tuning in find us on facebook at the encouragement ride podcast so until next episode go out and get some wheels down and doc crank out some months visa. Thanks everyone for joining in be sure to subscribe for all the latest news updates you can find us on facebook at the encouragement ride and and on twitter at at encouraged writing be sure to submit your questions to the saddle bag and tune in for the answers to remember wear your helmet always use your blinky and until next time happy trails objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear.

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ERP 009 Down Goes FrazierDealing with a Crash

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

28:19 min | 2 years ago

ERP 009 Down Goes FrazierDealing with a Crash

"<music> welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you live and direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from our holloman beautiful gluck stat mississippi to wear you find podcasts with your hosts. The quarter ton of writing fund jimbo rarely and kelvin jones consp- remember friends these two quarter of time so you don't have to take it away boys. We're live well. Hey hey everybody one apologize. I up front. This is the encouragement podcast kills jones jimbo riley and it has been more than just a little while we apologize. It's on me. I travel quite a bit in the may. My daughter graduated and we went on vacation. I had trade shows to go to and then something we're going to talk about. This week. Got a crash about a week and a half ten days ago and that just kind of pushed everything back so thank you for the comments and the people checking to see if we were coming if we're were dead or not no we're not dead just a little dinged up so calvin house advance since our last episode jimbo. It's it's it's been a few sundays heading it. <hes> uh-huh and yeah we are still alive. Even though sometimes we wonder if we are especially after your crash after my burn out the other day since we've last spoken to all of our audience on the podcast we've definitely had our fair share of challenges on and off the bicycle michael and i just want to label this episode is maybe being full self disclosure <hes> we try to give advice to beginner riders on what to do but i think this episode is like don't do what we did or don't don't do as we say now that we do. That's what i was trying to say yeah. Thanks my brain is on his own vacation as you can do well. We'll start. We'll start with the crash about two weeks ago we were doing. It was actually july the fourth weekend before before the weekend before july fourth. That's right 'cause i was cooking. <hes> we were doing a group ride and i got myself into a situation <hes> not going extremely fast but we were really really tight and for the road cyclists the thing that's going to take you down before a whole you know hitting a whole or running off. The side of the road is touching tires and that's what happened to me. I got myself. I got myself in a situation where i got too. So far. The right i had nowhere to go left to get out of the way i touch tires and what really happens is when that tire touches another tire it basically kicks up front tire up and when you lose traction you're on the ground and a quick quick curry as far as injuries. Go is pretty mild at a small slight. Concussion didn't believe a whole lot but i had a strawberry in the shape of minnesota on my left hip and there's a romp sized pothole in front of the shell station of luxton lockstep route so but things to remember if you if you're going down and i'll tell you where i learned this one this watching the tour de france back many many years ago ago when a lot of ood happened to be a year in early in the stages there are a lot of narrow roads and a lot of tires touch and and the moderators were talking talking about when you're going down hang onto your handlebars that way you can protect your hands. You can protect your collarbone because that seems to be one of the more prevalent would injuries when when people go down is broken collar bones so the worst i had was a concussion mild concussion to mind you <hes> sore hip and a little bit of a bloody. <hes> side of my elbow didn't even didn't even bother that too much but kelvin's had a lot more experience in more horrific crashes where it meant like new. You knew titanium elbows so my tip is <hes> one. Don't follow too close. Tell the people behind you that you're going down if you can help it so you don't get run over the top napa and hang onto the bike best you can. I let's start from the <hes> head down so you have a crash of what's the first thing and we want to do once. We are back about the ride and we want to check out our equipment. Obviously we want to check out our bike. It's kind of funny when people when you get up everybody it goes is your bike. Okay that's right but <hes> but what else do we need to check in our equipment fall back on the bike. Is your helmet him on pace yeah and was your helmet crack. My helmet didn't seem to be cracked on the front end. Actually there was very little visible damage because it's got a plastic shell and very thick styrofoam own cavity and i didn't notice any cracks until i bought my new helmet because that's one of the other things that i was told that once you crash in your head hits that pavement right go get a new helmet because that helmet is compromised and melons worth more than forty bucks and then you can give your old helmet a to a guy like and tell him to wear it and it's giving them a gift any things you're doing favor absolute like a javelin catcher jabba catcher so but yeah get a new helmet but in a kind of being an athlete when things happen suddenly you start taking account of things you can feel fe- what hurts doesn't hurt and then kinda working my way up and the other thing is don't get up too fast. Don't get on your bike too fast. <hes> fortunately i was like a hundred yards from my house and i was able all to run to the house my wife take care of me and as a precaution we went to the emergency room and did a cat scan and they said yeah you have a slight concussion. They founded founded small undeveloped brain that belongs to me that had basically reflex actions. They said you'll continue to blink breath other than that. I'm on my own but it didn't can have didn't take out the part that wanted to stop writing and another thing when we get back on our bikes is it's probably pretty good especially if you're in a i i mean if you tip over if you forget to clip out or fall over whatever you know that's one thing but if you have a pretty severe crash like i did a couple couple years ago you definitely want to take your bike to the local bike shop and have a professional look at it because i was going to get back on and ride my bike but somebody said no. You need to take that it to the bike shop and have them look at it sure enough. There was a massive crack in the frame of my carbon-fiber bike. If you know anything about carbon fiber if you have of crack you might could ride it a mile. You might write a thousand miles but eventually she's going to snap into and then you're gonna fall again now. I love cycling but it's the following that sucks so so <hes> needless to say i had to get another bike and scrap that one now there there are some videos youtube videos for you adventurous people or or some websites that you can look up if you do have cracked carbon-fiber frame that will show you how to repair it. I just don't feel number one comfortable doing that and number two whether or not i would do a good job and trust smile work so that's where we are with their so yeah and going back to jimbo's crash. You know another self full full disclosure. I was called out has has been the culprit of jimbo crashing. I was actually pulling or being the rider in front of the group and i got really retired. All of a sudden i hit a wall and i normally what i do is we tap are behind and that list the person behind us know that we are moving over and we're not pulling anymore but according to the person behind me who called me out he said i basically stopped pedaling and then tap my buddy. I don't recall that but i'm gonna take his word for it and if it is i'm well that's fine but if if you if you don't keep pedalling and then move out of the way and all of a sudden you stop pedaling people are gonna come up on the back of your wheel and it's going to cause a logjam and then somebody about five or six bicyclist back like jimbo is gonna touch wheels and go down so you know again yes. We're talking a little bit of advanced stuff for you. Beginners a pace line is where you ride in a in a line one back tired of the frontier and so on and you start drafting in each other and it makes it easier but we're not professionals obviously but we have had time and many years of doing this so we sometimes we have to rethink everything if that was truly something thing that i did the next time i pulled. I had to physically or mentally think okay. Keep paddling and then tap out and i did and you know and it's like why did i have to mentally mentally forcefully telling myself do that. When something it should come naturally but it is what it is and and jimbo's right i've had i don't want to scare anybody but i had a massive crash a couple of years ago. I broke my left wrist. In four places. I broke my right elbow to the point where they could not put it back together and they had to chop off the end of my radio moan and put a titanium elbow in there so i'm very familiar with crashes. It's not something that we want to talk about but it is full disclosure and so yeah we just got every time you get out the bike with other people you have to be safe and you have to be conscious of everything that you're doing be vigilant and here's the other thing i was probably a little too close to the guy that was in front ornament. I didn't need to be that close. We're not professionals when you watch the tour de france dating or anything now. It's not like your daddy. <hes> those guys are professionals and they still go oh down so it. It's one of the edges. When did you fall. We'll hadn't fallen yet or you haven't crashed yet and in following a crash are different and i've had falls and i've had had crashes but i think it's good to share that. There are dangers on the road even when you're doing your very best try not to put yourself into those situations if you're in a pace lawn. You don't have to be aware you can't see the road on underneath their tires back-off. Two to three feet is plenty. If you're drafting. I was a lot closer than i was. Probably i'll be within twelve to eighteen inches and that just leaves you know reaction you know it's daunting and the guy that that i tripped over it wasn't his fault <hes> by any stretch adult fund on with him but he you know it was on me. It was on me and you know right now. During this taping of this podcast i mean the tour de france is going. I think in the first week and i've been watching it every night and fast or slow they're still touching tires and fallen over using slower and these as our professionals who get paid the big bucks sure so it's not it's not when you followed. He's not if he followed the fall but we don't want to scare you but that but hopefully hopefully hopefully you'll be like peter scott. He never seems to fall now but in if you're watching those watching those guys pay attention to what they do. They're going down. They're hanging on on their making sure that they're trying to limit the damage to the body. A lot of these guys get right back up and keep on going and someone taped up and band aided and they finished the tour so so it's all a good thing so hey we're gonna take a quick break and then we're going to talk a little bit or talk a lot about writing in the heat because we have run into some real challenges here lately and we're gonna talk a lot about hydration driving me okay. We're back in boy. Is it man i'm telling you i am. We're sitting in my office and my office has the central air conditioner going. It has a ceiling fan going and i have a box man in here to blow in still become a little sweaty if you live in the deep south and especially right now when they're having heat advisories. There's just nothing you can do to stay cool now magin going outside in that and then going for a bike ride a lot of times. You just don't feel like you wanna go for bike ride but then he goes well. I need some calories because of trying to get healthy but we love it and it's just hot as blazes out there for those of you. That may not be familiar with deep south where we're taping this <hes>. It's not necessarily the heat is the humidity and humidity is the major enemy of big boys like me. I'll tell you an algebraic equation. You know fatman plus high humidity equals very poor performance and so that's what happened to me the other day so it's another self disclosure. I was feeling my oats. I was trying to we were going out on arrive where it is known that everybody goes fast and you know for us to get better. We have to try to push ourselves to hang with faster guys and you gotta remember that we're the quarter donald riding funds so jimbo and i are not little slender aac abide cranes so to speak we are hefty men and <hes> you know sometimes when we try to go as fast as these as little riders we can and other towns we can as i say sometimes some days. You're the hammer not of the days. You're the nail and tuesday. We went out and we were trying. We we're staying right around twenty to twenty one miles an hour and it was extremely hot and extremely humid and i should have known better to push myself that hard because normally i know oh my body i know how it reacts and when it's that kind of weather i should hang around somewhere between fifteen and seventeen miles an hour instead of trying to hang around on one thousand nine hundred twenty two miles an hour so we made it to ten miles and then i tried to do my best for the last ten miles and just couldn't do it and you. You know if you've ever been out in that kind of stuff and exerted yourself when you hit a wall. I honestly jimbo. I don't remember the last mile all i remember is another biker who came up and try to talk to me and he said i wasn't making any sense and i wasn't being coherent and he wanted me to pull off in the shade and take a break but i i knew that we were only a mile away and i was trying my best to get back to the truck so i can rest <hes> but in hindsight i should have been safe. I wasn't i should have pulled over over at his suggestion but i didn't luckily i was okay and i made it back to the truck <hes> but then as you know i've sat down on the bumper of my truck and i really couldn't get up and it took me a little while to try to recover from that so yeah so riding in the heat can be detrimental. It really can so always always hydrate hydrate and don't wait to the day of if you're going for a high bike ride to drink. You need to be drinking every day. General rule of thumb is half your body weight in water. Announces of water is what you need to drink everyday on normal conditions so if you're a two hundred pound person you need to be drinking one hundred ounces of water and that's just on normal days so so magin how much more fluid you would need to take in on the worst hot hot and humid days and that day candidly i had not finished my <hes> of my large pitcher of water that i always drink every day and i felt like i was if i check my dipstick and probably would have been a little low and so there was all kinds of things setting me up for failure on that bike ride so these are this is another thing that we're trying to say you know. Do as i say don't do as i do and here's some other other you know when you when you look at your you know your weather channel app or whatever and it says it's ninety five degrees and sixty percent humidity and one hundred seven degree heat index right back. That's just the the outside air. That's not the radiant he coming off the road so you're basically riding in an oven and it's going to be twelve twelve to fifteen degrees hotter coming off the road than air temperature yeah and if you're in a humid environment. You're doing a lot of sweating but it's not cooling you off no. You're you're the deficit when you get started so some of the things you gotta do. Is you know the the day before and the day of you've got to over hydrate. You gotta pre hydrate. You've got to take a lot more water. Maybe taking some extra electrolytes maybe mesa salty so super something they just get some electrolytes electrolytes until you beforehand and really take it easy. I've seen some studies where if the air temperature is ninety degrees then you need to ride at seventy eight percent of your max effort. If it's eighty degrees you can ride a little stronger and as it gets cooler you can up the up the effort right none of us and i i doubt many of you that are listening to the podcast or professionals. You don't get paid to do this so there's no real reason to put yourself into stress at all. No now now and you know sometimes our our ego gets the best of us you want to try to hang with all the the the faster gas to make yourself look better but in reality in the end is common sense should prevail and you should do the right thing and do the smart thing and don't do the stupid thing that we did right so make sure you have a couple of water bottles. I've got to twenty four ounce water bottles care with me on every ride for a net for about an hour ride so that's about twenty months so if you're gonna do anything longer that's not supported by just purchased a three liter of bladder for my or those things go kennel bags here camelback and the only thing i put in there is water. That's it. I don't put any elect collect likes in that. I put those in the in the water bottles so for a forty to fifty mile ride. That's not supported which means there's nobody there to fill your water bottles for you. <hes> that should give me there and try to plan routes where you have places to stop like at a convenience store or restaurant where you can buy some water gets mice that sort of things and listen to your body yeah and you know bring a couple of dollars it because if you if you really want to stop it they little convenience store. You're going to have to have some the money because i don't think they're gonna give it to you for free right credit cards or debit card or just whatever as long as you have something with you but that's actually a good tip <hes> having a couple of dollar bills with in case. You have a blowout on the site year. You have a side wall. Blow out on your on your tire. You can always slip that dollar bill inside the tube or inside the tire and that'll keep your ear to from poking out the side yeah. There's a little there's a little gym nugget there of a little piece of free advice at jimbo just gave you a lot of people don't know that if you carry area dollar bill specifically for flats but you can you can fold it up. Put it in tired and air it up and you can get you back home and one's we're just as well as twenty but if you ride and with us and twenty will work for the advice collin collin a tip yeah thank you for that pearl of wisdom there all right so the the main thing is going to take away from this segment is one pre hydrate to listen to your body and when somebody tells you hey look you might need to take a break. Listen to him. Yeah absolutely nobody looks down on you as the guy that walked him back in force that day said did this happens to every single one of us and usually more than once. Is that some really bad days and i've stopped and i felt bad about it but also realize you know what i've got a job. I got kids. I don't get paid to do this. Why don't wanna put myself in this much distress over something something that's supposed to be a recreation and i made a comment last night to you that i wished i could find someplace where i could ride that may not be too hot high availability because as you know as low riders down here we might get killed trying to do a mountain climb but i would love to try to ride someplace in the united states where there's no humidity to experience what is like to ride in an in area with no humidity so if any of you out there listening and you ask them great trails or a great routes up where you are sitting it to us and let us look and do some research because i'm looking to try to. Maybe do a little bike vacation one day. Well you know the place really doesn't exist but my listeners make something up wait. We have bike racks. We'll come to you. You got in the next segment. Gonna be our mailbag and we'll be thanking justice and now it's time for from the saddle where the boys voice answer your questions arrive. We're back and this is the next installment of the saddlebags saddlebag. Thank thank you. J. las tech for the saddle bag. <hes> monica heating is my big horse and over here. Okay well we in some of the questions that we got before the last episode and this is actually relevant because it's relevant to us personally and to some of the people that are on our encouragement ride <hes> is <unk>. How often do you need to clean your chain and what is kind of a good maintenance schedule for your chain so we'll yesterday during the ride god. It's been really hot and remember. The chain moves that you have our petroleum-based and the stuff is going to it's going to get hot. It's going to unesco faculty drips like you would if your carbs lincoln but it does go away and i heard a squeaky when i was writing i said oh my gosh. I've lived down the chain to black. It's time to clean the chant me out and you can look at inbetween rides but really what it's going to do is just gonna create more is going to make it harder to clean so the bike shop guys that we both go to said about every four hundred miles in decent ride conditions that means eighty degrees. You're not run into a lot of junk junk like dust and solder bottles water puddles all that stuff it will will impede your drive train your chain so i've written to rain rain the last couple of weeks been through some dust because we were near some dirty roads much change black and it needs to be cleaned and some of the guys we ride and with calvin was helping them on the last two rides to tell them about their rusty change yeah i was a we've done one of our thursday night. Encouragement courage rides and we've got some people and i got on this particular gentleman because he's been with us a couple of years. He purchased a really nice <hes> cannon dell road bike and i have not really paid attention to his bike because i'm more worried about his form and teaching him certain things while he's writing well the other night. I happened to get behind him because he felt like he was. He wanted to sow his oats was actually wanted to go a little faster than i did so he got in front of me and i looked down and his chain was completely rusty. We're looking at a beautiful canon dell road by and nice and shiny almost like harley had anywhere tear to it at all and the chain had never been touched and this is his second year that he's had his bike and so i said i said mr john note you got to fixture change because of that thing rush through and snaps at any minute. You're going to go down and believe me. We already talked about following so don't ever ever let your chain get get it that bad of a shape always inspect your chain at least after every couple of rods like <hes> jimbo said it you know if he's starting to get real blacking gunky. There's lots of vitamins out there that can that are good degreasers. You can spray on their let you know let it eat through that stuff and man just a nice clean. Silvery chain is just amazing with your performance when you get on a bicycle well. I'm gonna. I'm gonna clean my my chain this afternoon. I got a pretty long ride and i'll tell you what i do. <hes> dawn dishwashing soap <hes> <hes> i've got an old bucket and i put about two quarts of water and i use hot water because i want to use that hot water to help break up that greece dawn dishwashing soap because it is a degreaser degreaser. I've got some special brushes but you really don't need special. Brushes us need some plastic hard bristle brushes. All toothbrushes and i use an old toothbrush. I really do how how i do use a degreaser. I i've got some orange degreaser and there's some stuff i think purple magic that's my next purchase because i want to do a product spotlight on that but she sprayed on their let it sit a little bit run. The chain backwards not forwards you work dr trying to have loosened that stuff up likely hit it with a hose. Don't use a high pressure nozzle because that'll get into your bottom bracket. It causes other problems. It's almost just wanna cascaded on there and then use that toothbrush and just scrubbed that thing where both sides the chain and make sure you get into those rollers a little bit and then you can use your brush. I've got some a little bit longer and i clean my cassette. Those are all your gears and then once all that's nice icing cleaned and it may take might take thirty minutes news telling you it's it's a mess. Let it dry off real good use a cloth towel or a micro fiber the towel so you don't get go back into your chain like jeremy poke said in our episode when you put that lube on the chain you can use. There's lots of it. I like the purple magic. I believe it's gone shrink purple extreme and there's some other ones. I've used in the past i use w._d. Forty not the w._d. Forty like you use yeah. They have have a specific line from w._d. Forty called w._d. Forty bike and they have really good decreases and loot now. The lube is a kind of aerosol all based in so it will not last as long as you're purple <hes> extreme right those kind of things so if you use a spray base lubricant be sure to do it more often or else you start hearing that squeak and your thing so if you hear nothing else from us today. I don't care what your bike looks like. If you don't have a healthy chain it's kind of like your heart. If you don't have a a healthy heart the better the rest of your body is just going to go downhill so if you don't have a healthy chain the rest of your bikes just going to go downhill because it will cause more problems to rest of your drive drivetrain your cogs gears and that's even more costly expense so now another lesson that i learned this last couple of weeks when we've been off is i desperately needed to change my jenny. I had worn it slap out. You know there's a special tool that you can use. I don't know what they call it but they measure the width of it you and if it came to chain tool and yeah okay book and so therefore if it if it's not matching where it needs to be it means you stretch that chain out and and is no longer working properly and my started beating and banging all of a sudden which means the change that i give up. I quit if i didn't that chain changed. It was going to cause a lot of damage image to the rest of my stuff so lesson learned order a bike chain tools and learn how to do the measurements to make sure that it's it's a good and tight each time you ride and then you won't have to worry about last-second. Do what did i do any damage to my bike so this has been the podcast of how stupid could i be this week and uh so so there's some lessons for you so don't do do as i say don't do as i do right survey data and so finally guys and girls always liked to in the podcast with an encouraging word this comes from one of my friends <hes> limbs a._l. Johnson who i attend church with he has his own <hes> like mentoring challenging kind of a business kind of zig ziglar kind of business and he sends me emails every day in and this one is entitled start and he says failures aren't excuses to not try again but opportunities to start different so as you can tell. I thought this was very apropos. For what we've we've been describing because we have <hes> we have failed at something since we've last visited with you but they aren't excuses to not try again. They're simply opportunities opportunities to start differently so i'm going to change some of the things that i have been doing regarding my chain maintenance. I'm going to change or go back to what i know regarding my hydration in in writing in the hot humid days and i'm going to go back to what i know about leading pays line and making sure i tap out properly so somebody like jimbo doesn't fall leave a crater in the asphalt asphalt gay guys say look. Thanks again for tuning in and we're going to actually while we're sitting here. We're gonna tap out the next dental center so that we will be ready for next week. <hes> thanks again to j lo's tech and no fish goes production and charlie testing for the music you can you can always find us on facebook page at the encouragement. We are stitcher. 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Is Jordan Morris the real MLS MVP? Plus, Higuain's banger & 2020's best signings

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Is Jordan Morris the real MLS MVP? Plus, Higuain's banger & 2020's best signings

"You're listening to stress I driven by continental you feel that. I feel a lot better bob extra me see. How I find out what's going on in the MLS maybe this podcast is influenced me a little bit as well loss. Loss everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory. To, try to cook up some great stuff you guys. Share from New York new. York. You are listening to extra time driven by continental from my apartment in bed. Stuy Brooklyn. I'm Andrew We'd be with my partners in Soccer David Gas, Charlie Davies Leagues Cup Shirt I WANNA come to downtown Brooklyn right now Dave Downtown Brooklyn. He's Downtown Jay Street. Whatever you WANNA, call it. Yeah I WANNA come there on a rip off of you and take it for myself. I wish I had that Liebscher it looks like I just take a red eye to Salt Lake City this year at to run to an airport it was a whole thing to earn this survey because. Shirt. The Pink, the Leaves Cup least got by. Miss you. We barely knew you. We barely back it'll be back stronger. I feel I feel that one day I will drop my league McKee's. Combination League and you better believe League Scott Carr that big show for you today a lot of games on Wednesday night. We will kind of make our way through them. Decide what topics matter maybe like I. Don't know his Jordan Morrison. In, decide which don't also talk about Him who's the worst team minimal s it's a competition. We will find out who that is also Dave you spoke to Kelvin Jones, the nucleus breast C.. Academy director give us a fifteen seconds cell and then we'll get into the show just talking about from a coaching point of view what's left to get more players at the level of Geoana and a Weston mckennie and what Columbus is doing as a small market to build players that can compete and we've seen from eight and Morris Sebastian Berhalter. In cates as so often talked to him we talked about access as well for coaches of different backgrounds, minorities, women, and just in general trying to get into coaching. So lots change but I think cove hasn't thrown everything off and there's a lot of excitement about what's been put in place over the last few years where it's going I'm sold we've been trying to Kelvin for a couple of weeks now. So happy we got him on this show. We're GONNA talk all equally the biggest signings of the year, but I I've been told. That we need to ask for ratings and reviews. PODCASTS and podcasters do and we almost never do that until I have a little story for you guys a request to our listeners out there which come from many backgrounds I was in New Jersey on a hike with my kid in my wife and some friends of ours hike is really not what we were on. We're on a nature walk where there were quote unquote ferry houses dropped in random places which are just like I dunno Dioramas the people decided to build and drop in the middle of the woods in Montclair New Jersey we bs a correct because then I went montclair and ask for a hike to go on. To Send be pictures of fairy houses. Yeah. was more like a fifteen minute walk with houses. Anyway. I was on this walk I was talking to my wife and somebody readily goes. Extra time. And maybe what are you doing here? New Jersey and it was a family decked out in red bull's year. We had a nice. And I I was talking to a believe the dad and I assume that he was the only extra time listener as like surely other people don't waste their time listening to our podcast twice a week all of a sudden the mom jumps in with some hot takes on the rebels and then the grandma jumps in on some hot to. One of the moments and Mindy says, did you pay them to say this? I impress my friends I said no, I did not. 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Great will soon enough. But Stock Soccer Gonzala gain. A. Producing Anders wrote in the rundown Gonzalo eguaveon quote finally delivers what Miami paid for finally is an interesting word choice there but he did bang in a free kick to win again a rebel arena for answer Miami. It was a beautiful free-kick yet some other nice moments in this game did Gonzala Guarini. Charlie finally deliver or is this just the beginning of much much more because at halftime that game his brother Federico was asked about that goal and he said Oh, there's a lot more to come don't worry about that. One hundred percent he's just getting going. My when you interim, he gets a goal like eguaveon he's going to produce. Its is just about his fitness and health. If if he's good to go, he's going to deliver an what I loved about his play with not only that goal it was. A was a greenies goal. It was his movement as the ball has played out to the right wing. He takes a peek. He sees Pellegrini. So he's aware that the back post is free and that's where Pellegrini. So He makes the near post run to pull that defender away. And most strikers when that balls played in, you trying play the ball because as a striker, you WanNa take a downturn shoot. He allows it to run by him knowing that Pellegrini's there for the tap in for the goal. So he's influencing game in. May many more ways than just finishing. So that's what I love to see from from a player of of his status in his brothers right? I. Think when he gets going, it's going to be scary and this is what he was always going to have to do. Because the chance creation isn't totally there yet with Miami and now with auto sorrow off of Mexico for a sizable amount of the future games, he's GonNa have to the center of everything not just finishing and so Charlie's point I. Think he's seeing that stepping into that role and I think he has the capability to do it in mls mean it's bigger than just finishing with him and I, think he's shown over the first three or four games, his presence, his gravity, all those things that make them better and tweenies. Goal goal line saving tackle right. Those are two players he brought in that immediately changed the outlook of a match that gets you really got you three points so. You can expect inner Miami to start climbing up the standings because once those two are justed bender stand how the team plays tendencies than just the leak quality competition. You know how players move and play I. Think this this team is only going to get better as we see the season unfold. One of them might have to play center back at some point. Out Solitaire. He probably because it's all hands on deck back then he was suspended I think that this damn. Yeah. I mean he'll come back get suspended again I mean it works. I way said after this that. Unless reminded him of Syria that there's the physicality aspect there's parts of the game that is used to, but you're right. Charlie I always thought. This would be what he would be. French Miami. This is he was for Juventus last year he wasn't the I'm the only The light I'm the goal score I'm the one he was the guy can sort of playing that complementary role popping up and good places fishing. When he was there, that's what he does. But really plans setup man a Lotta, the time for Bala or for Rinaldo or for others in it wasn't just passing it was his movement. It was his recognition of space like all of these things in the attacking half the field that he just can do without having to think about are things that you pay millions of dollars for and produce a major league soccer, and again I go back to Robbie Keane. Is Robbie on steroids and he's going to get up that level of production but this was a huge goal for him. He's not yet in the best signings of the year maybe next year if he's killing or gets into the playoffs and puts them on a run, he would be there But I think there are guys. We gotta look at who have done over the course of the entire crazy messed up wackier. That is Ben and give them that honor at this point as European window closed. Of course, mls I believe still open till October twenty nights though there are limitations obviously who can come in and out who is the best signing of twenty twenty for you guys I wrote the column I have my own opinion. I will save it till the end. Charlie, who is the best signing of this year so far I can throw out some names if you need him. Oh. These are the names and I don't think there's anyone else. Lucas Ron Freighter Columbus crew. You also have to look at the standings, his influence he's really changed. The Way Columbus crew can play allows Josse. A bit more freedom. You throw a Nagy and in this midfield is really complete it's Polybio. See another player who's come in as made a massive difference because he's another outlet, he's opponent can beat players on the dribble can score from distance. Carbon complimentary player for Piazzi gives them another option. So he he's been a good time but not at the level of Lucas. and then Allen Bellido for Sir s Casey when when he's gone when he's fit I, mean he he completely changes the Game James the wake skc can play he's up he's a he's a goal scorer, but he's also player who can control the game from from a striker position which is rare. It's a rare occasion when so and can come in slow the tempo down dictate the way you play. So with all that being said the Gel Paulo I guess has a slight. Don't just. Don't do it just for producer Anders. Differ produce around this. Okay. I'm going to go Zella around is is the right now probably the best signing of the year do you have any concerns? About the injuries this is now to lay offs for him. And in combination I would argue that he nagy the most influential important signings because I'm counting trades and signings as well. It's basically. It's a transfer within major league soccer as such. Does. It. Worry you at all. Does it Chink giving? Now, it is so okay. Switches the rules in. Yeah I. Sorry I didn't know I had VR here to check right? Are you concerned about that because they lost the Montreal it's not been as good as it was and Bernie's out for awhile but they lost Montreal, Nagy was not playing. Right now, Nagy changes the way S, Columbus crew plays because of his. Ability to get out of tough situations, you can play to him. He's GonNa break pressure he controls the tempo he's good on the dribble, and because he draws so many players out of position you're fleeing freeing Lucas around you're you're taking attention away from Josse RS playoff the defenders shoulders will make runs into spaces. So it's a combination of losing Nagy Ends Hillary on. So when they come back into the fold I, have no doubt this Columbus crew team is going to compete for an Moscow. Move and buy dog. I know this it's upgrades across the board. I'm always a dog. This. What's his name? I? Did Not know you had a Dunk Nala? No like. Right now. Oh the. Dogs Louder. Tease had her we got her in DC and she's barking because she's outside my office in. All right. So I, this a little differently charlie hit the right names and they're all the biggest signings. But in terms of best signing now and can leave because they don't have to hear me disagree with him. He's gotTa get his dog. He's gotTA. Get Nala. Getting cheap signing or signing in a right position or doing things on your cap. A little cat tied goes in the conversation for signing agreed. So Zeller, Allen was at the top of the list, the other three or four that I wanted to mention was Antonio Carlos because that was the position of need. Do you WANNA do do the fall lion king do the full line. Otherwise. You can watch listen to us on user which ever say either. So right and review, and you do all the other promotional aspects get that dog in the frame Charlie. Look at Antonio Carlos under my best team sightings are also Guy for your. But. You. Know I would say both of those. And I thought to get. Carlos. In a way in which they needed a back this year and that's what's restructured everything for them. I think and made people more confident and comfortable in what they've done I think Jose Martinez Guy who was fairly under the radar now is the best team in the league I thought he was on camera. In the conversation for signing were told when he signed that, he was going to spend more time with Philly to Philly the great. He is the best team in the league this year. He's better than Chara. Okay fine and who else he's better than. Is. Best. Stacking best. Arguable has these on like one. Hundred Fifty K.. I. Thought. He was a signing on fee not even that he's not even Tam. He's playing above the expectations, but he's not he's not in the conversation of best defense. Midfield is no mailbag Charlie. I. was in the conversation Charlie and Monday it was decided that he is. Part of the Monday show. These takes. Oh, my gosh. To go off on Charlie. Before. I first dog now it's the. Whole new person. Mondays. Flowing this whole segment, two pieces Charlie. All right continue last the last one I'm going to add, and this is going to go in a weird direction, but it has to be said Jose. For Minnesota, they lost the defender of the year at centre-back was the entire defense for them last year amylase goalkeeper of the year, which I have less value in and Jose. How would they four nothing as a RETREAD MLS guy? Has Been One of the biggest parts of the fact that they are one of the top four teams in the Western Conference, and he's been there starter centreback and their rob. I'm kind of a daughter on that one. But I will I will grant you that that was like a classic mls recycle move that when it was made, you're like this isn't GonNa work. He was batting Vancouver and he has been if not spectacular to certainly not spectacular solid enough to keep them at least in the in the playoffs right now I'm GonNa put this out there. Here's mind best signing of the year it's Walker Zimmerman. It's Walker Zimmerman for Nashville SC. They paid a lot of money for him, but he goes straight into that same sort of legacy of the trade for Minnesota. United. We have 'em hitting US up in the mailbox saying is Nashville the most boring human history. I. It possibly, four scoreless causes your two straight scoreless draws one midweek against Minnesota but they actually I think. UNBEKNOWNST to them or not handled the pandemic as an expansion team that knew they had some spending limits in the perfect wet they go out and build a foundation that transfers which is defensive solidity, which is a centreback best eleven possible defender of the year in his prime locked. In long term, they don't spend a ton of money on Tampa players that are hit or miss they don't have. A MARDI spacing, the Vedeno Demidov didn't sign A. and. So now they can make decisions like even even Kadi's on loan so they could move away from him. If that doesn't work out now, they still gotta find a way to score goals, but with Walker Zimmerman this team is a playoff seen. In their first year to have that sort of floor established like we're not gonNA go below this. Incredible. Signing in one you I never would have Yes. There's a lot of hand. Whereas Dax in when you on taxes to me, that's a big part of Walker. Zimmerman being as good as he is obviously I think Goya's been. Haas signing where it was like he had more quality but we didn't know where he was in his career hundred. K. For Guitar. But nothing more than I. Assure you. But how many how many flop Tam filters are out there like I'm trying to find good tam signings if you go through a wise and attempt signing because he was already in emily I agree. But they had to give up essentially the resources that they would have used on a team signing. That takes it above DAX is that he's younger and they extended. Yes. So they locked Dane long-term. So if you WANNA talk performance this year, you could arguably put them in the same category but the Zimmerman parts to we his that's your foundation now. Building around now you're building around that. That's everything to you. That's like that's your Northstar to steal something from. Your Minnesota's yet again yet again is he the defender I? Know we talked about Jonathan Mensah, but it seems like maybe Zimmerman is pushed his way into this conversation. I think he's done a good job of pointing his his name into the conversation and he's he's been a largely impactful for Nashville of really commanding presence great in the air his aerial duels strong. But I think Jonathan Mensah is the clear runaway with Defensive Mvp Defensive Player of the year. Mark. McKenzie on the shortlist yet in key would definitely be on the shortlist yeah. We did the radiology the last but are Behind that's the that's the all-talk defender of the year. It's a slightly just a very barely different lists. Let us know you think defender of the year. We did the Ozzy Lonzo de mid. We're GONNA talk more awards in the mailbox for one two, zero, six, zero s extra time in. Comics email is more your style Seattle sounders win mid week against ourselves. Jordan. Morris gets a goal before he even scored that goal. TUTA Rahman was all up in the mentions because we basically been crowning Alejandro MVP on this show. Certainly I've been beating that drum and he said guys, here's the full argument on why Jordan Morris is actually the MVP and major league soccer so far we kind of dismissed Morris as being part of a triumphant, maybe even A. Four horsemen sort of situation with robbery as of course, and then Nickelodeon who I think is always the MVP that team and then Joao Paulo who produce an honors will not stop. On about constantly, no matter what whether it's in the private shy as we do the show or otherwise you're sorta Rahman's argument is the best raw numbers again this was before Wednesday. Night when Jordan mortar goal fourteen nine PK goals scored or assisted that's top in the League one morning thing Tarot in Pozzuoli who were at thirteen the has the best goals plus assists in ninety average no PK's of any regular starter was Wales not even in. The top ten on that one Tutto says, he has the best underlying numbers. He's number one expected goal plus expected assists in ninety minutes at point eight one. That's pretty good. Wales as point six nine again before Wednesday he's never wanted goal is above replacement is number one in all of these categories, league stats, etc etc. Number one in his own team. So he is to Rahman says the MVP up the sounders and of the League. On the clearly the best team. Is Jordan Morris a realistic. Option for voters do think at the end of the year that people will look at this race if it Kinda continues on its same trajectory, which is both players being extremely productive in both of their teams Sanders in Toronto being basically the class of the League. Does Jordan. Morris have a chance. Could we see Jordan Morris when the Landon Donovan Mls Mvp, award he will get votes, he will not win. He will get votes because of his production and because Seattle will be the best team in the West and you'll look at it and say, well, who's GonNa earn from this team who is going to be in the conversation and it's going to be him. She will not win because of all the same reasons Suto put at. The End, he's not a DP. So his life is easier than poss- wella swallows playing on a field without Josie and without Michael Bradley, and he's keeping his team's performance here and while Jordan Morris phenomenally when Jordan Morris goes running down the middle of the field, there's a reason centreback set to follow Ribas there's a reason Nikola darrow's pulling numbers away. All of that quality makes his life easier that doesn't take away from the fact that he's performing at an insane level. And he's gotten better as a player and he deserves to be in the conversation, but it takes away from the fact that he will win the award. You won't win the award, but he has been You know a pleasure to watch this year with his impact changing the way he plays not being so predictable, just go being more alf he's coming inside combining hold up play. A lot of intangibles that are needed when you look at the national team, right? So he's I think he's really improved as a player and that's why I've said. Is Next step now is to go to Europe where he's pushed every single day to try and get the most out of them. That's why where I would like to see him now that I know that for some players, that's maybe not in your future, you don't feel comfortable being away from home, but I would love to see him go out there and get tested. So I'm with gossip as well as. You know really the MVP at the moment because of TSE's trajectory being without Josie being without Michael Bradley, dealing with you know some of those players being off the pitch but you being. Literally the center of attention and getting the best out of everybody getting the best out of Nola, getting the best out, of Paulo beauty really being the centerpiece on that CT TSE team. So on a team by the way, I can't go home and has played three other best teams in the League while Seattle's out here playing whoever they want who's outside the playoffs week after week gave Columbus Gabby Philly and he be I can't remember they didn't play Orlando so you beat those do. Because he assisted a goal so. and. The one thing I'd add on Jordan and everything. Charlie. Said is his finishing as well because when watch yesterday it got called back his first goal in the second minute. But it's a calm relaxed footed finish that he plays his past the goalkeeper and then the goal scores is the crash in the box one touch finished. They're two completely different goals and he claimed he cleanly finishes both them and I think it just shows the development in who he's become as a soccer player. Did we do the Paul from Houston? Email did you guys do it when I was gone on vacation upstate? Did you do the last show Charlie stated of joined Moore's wants to be the best player can possibly be to Europe does that same logic hold true for Landon Donovan and therefore chuck? L.. D. The best he could be we did. Or the now, I'll kind of. I agree with you guys I've been. I've been team as well because I think if you look at Morrison and persuade other being asked to do two very different things and as well as being asked to basically run the entire show and be the fulcrum of everything that they do in the attacking half of the field. If you just go look speaking of underlying numbers, you go look at touches productive touches, chance creating touches pass before the past touches in and around the team let's say just in the final third, it's was waylon and then it's the next person like. At sixty percent of what he's doing it's nowhere close. He is everything in the final third for Toronto FC in Toronto sees level is higher than I would have thought it could be without Josie being consistent. With them going back and as you said with them, just like living out of suitcases and being in the most uncomfortable possible situation as they can be with Covid Jordan? Moore's meanwhile I think is asked to be more complimentary. He can dominate because he's in all these positions where he's in either One v one situations or has the perfect player to claim that ball over the top or v Perfect pass cutback coming across the field or just ruined with. Pus. But Jordan Morris has been incredible this year I don't have an opinion on the Europe What I watched every one of those games sure show I would watch all of them and We will get to that more in the mailbox. Wasn't GonNa add if crew do finish atop the League in sports show and they do have still have the lowest goals against average Jonathan Mensah should be MVP. Standby that okay. With defensive brother, I like I like that take. All right NYC WE KINDA haven't talked about them hardly at all I'm GONNA. Be Honest. We've really ignored what's been going on your city, but they've got three straight wins. They got another one against DC and you can chop it up however you want right now but the bigness friend, Wi- CFC really is one of their GP's I wonder reaches on his way to save Rabiah on loan through twenty twenty two. There are some extenuating circumstances here is is pregnant I. Don't believe that he could see her be with her and I completely get that you need to be around your wife and you've got a baby on the way you need to be there to support her. So I guess that she's going to be able to be with him in Saudi Arabia. I would guess he's also get in the bag. Deer which That's important I. I maybe get a briefcase on fire. We've heard in Saudi Arabia Ribisi. The PG experience I would prefer my briefcase full of cash to not be on fire but your personal preference gender briefcase on fire full of cash the no briefcase fair. That's Farrell. Find a way to put it out Charlie. Apparently truly has to walk the dog. I don't know what's going on here. What do you think about this retreat to move the? Max Morales hurt. Embarrassed now. MS. Timing. So it's interesting. You say we don't. We haven't talked about it on my CFC right now their last four wins to against Cincinnati one against DC and one on the road at Miami. So not the best competition ever lost the TSE in the middle of that. So I think that's part of it and I also think Maxima, Morales is out her and you've sold your DP and retreats. To Saudi Arabia which I don't think changes the perception of your club this isn't Phillies L. Andbranch Aaronson because this is the future and it feels like we're treating them the same way they're treating themselves. Bright, if you're the middle of a playoff race, you've already lost your number ten. You've already lost your center forward. So you've moved MMA treats into those roles. You think he's playing well there, and then you just go off and sell them. That's kind of how NYC FCC's themselves. It feels like I don't know what the purpose is. What the end goal is issue they want win and MLS. Cup. Do they want to produce players? Do they want to bring players from Europe at young ages, produce them and sell them on I don't think there's a clear identity to what? NYC AFC is, and I think that's how fans observe them. I think that's how we've observed them, and so you look at them over the last better. It's not been fun. It's not been dome and echo stop and Vera as beacon. I think Ronnie dial definitely deserves a Mulligan on the year and I think we're GonNa talk about that and a little bit but this type of move continues to be then why CFC thing which is what is the purpose of this club and I think that makes it hard to really analyzed where they're going and what they've done well. Have you those fair I mean there are personal extenuating circumstances here one hundred. But what is but what is like what is the driving light for them? You know like what is the recruitment policy around? What are their goals based around? The hiring process when it comes to managers has been INS and outs INS and outs. Why was dome just like I can't do this anymore I gotta leave and let's say, for example, Pizza Martinez he was failed signing for Atlanta and they had an opportunity to get out of him has. been a failed signing. Are they making money that they're gonNA Reinvest into the club off the sale shorts? What's happening? I think they used them right battling. You know, put him in a position to succeed he he last. Three Games he had four goals is going back to back braces Before this last match, how do you out? How do you not figure he could be a a big part of the team you know being in the center of the Pech. By Ronnie. Distant value him at the end of the day you didn't you didn't like him for whatever reason didn't play didn't use the right way and therefore you never got the best automatically TSA he he's a quality player when he's fit in an engaged in the team, he has a lot to offer. You can go right and left left. You can shoot from distance combined good touches awareness a lot of those things that are. that. Don't come easy in this league. He was could have been a really quality signing and I don't think we saw the best of them is his Medina another guy in this sort of boat. Agai that was that was hyped came in pretty good transfer fee you're thinking okay. Maybe they're going to be among the teams that do the South American young glare flip and maybe it's part of city football group in what they're up to me. Now, I, would just at a lot of pressure would fall on him or at least expectation that he would have to produce for them to get moving forward I'm not exactly sure I. Think we're kind of scuffling with them. So if in west CFC fans if you're listening if you have an idea and I would say, yes, I'll give credit to the roster building general right. We, we don't know or have ideas of what they've hit on the big ones, but they've been able to bring in a jerry shoddy tenor guys like that who keep them at a high level but in the end, what is the final goal? How is this team trying to be built and I agree with you with Medina? Okay. The pure lampert thing wasn't who we are. This is what we're GonNa do now and Regina didn't hit himself. There's sometimes nothing you can do about that. Then the next signing is ever from Croatia and then you've got retreats a and Maxi and it's all over the map. And if that's fine if the end goal is just went MLS Cup. But then why you selling the treats and now going into a playoff run without Maxxie when as Charlie said, he has been the center of your attend. The question mark the personal side really comes into it and maybe their hand was forced in that sense. But you do wonder with the outlay is it was one of the record transfer is a major league soccer incoming like what was it like ten eleven million dollars right I. So yeah, I think it was Evan sixth or seventh big it was. A. It was a big outlay of money. So this is certainly not the way they wanted it to end, but we do that I always into retreats in his wife Ma Alright a better place as well. Is that personal stuff as we all know in this year any year it matters Dave I'm GonNa, give you an open floor Jeremy Boba see here. Up The galaxy the guy he Slapped up regularly sitting at the bottom of the western conference we'll talk about them with the worst human west Combo, but just get into a Jeremy. Am Oversea. Big. Oh Man Yeah. Yeah, it was a good one. So just so you now Jeremy a bogus he has taken zero free kicks in his MLS career standing over this on I. Think all of the announcers also said like Oh you know that this is Diego. Valeri and then he ripped sworn from the top of the box into the top left corner straight pass David Bingham's head. You don't even see it David Bingham and cable once again then he scores again in the second half they win six three I think with Jeremy. Abobo. See last week we have Gregg Berhalter on. And we talked about forward depth and he listed off his less than that doesn't mean that that's in you know ink and that doesn't mean that he didn't just forget his name, but he didn't mention Jeremy Bovis he did much mason toy. I don't know how Charlie related that was, but it did happen and so Jeremy Abobo see I think has played at a high level. He's done multiple positions center forward and again outline yesterday. Now he's doing it without Sebastian Blanco and keeping his team up at the top of the Western Conference yesterday was his sex. Second Consecutive, appearance. In all competitions, Debrosse Darlington Nagbe, these record for timbers for consecutive appearances. So he's consistent. It works on both sides of the ball. He's gotten better these dangerous center. And now he can take free kicks. So I think he's in the key he has to be in the conversation for national team at the center forward. Especially, if we end up in a situation where you have people that can only come from this side of the ocean and that side of the ocean separate camps is definitely, MLS will when he has to be talked about I think not at Jordan Morris's level. But in that conversation of most improved players and players who have really changed their game and I love Jeremy. Absence that they came in last some just got seem doing this thing. Well, that's why I hope he can play in the Olympics and in an outdated qualify because that'll be a great place for him to measure is quality against some of the world's best in his in his position and as well as the defenders in the world. So it would be a good measuring stick for Germany Bugsy and. For me, he has made all those improvements. He is really starting to develop and be more well rounded and understand the nuances of the position and we've seen them be effective on the wing. We've seen him be effective in the middle and I think to be the best striker. You can possibly be in the middle of the pitch you have to understand how to get make you know. I guess make the Space you know. Be Being area where you can really get on the end of things and be people on the job one V one and and be able to make great runs from the outside in and inside out and so I think for him He's really understood how they how to create space for others. I agree with all this big Fan Jeremy Above A. Big Fan of the freak blasts in just saying, Hey, I got the leg to put it straight pasture. Nagin. You can see the ball coming the wall is not blocking. You smack it was. It was a cool moment is a big win for the timbers and we're not gonna now we're not going to Belabor the Galaxy Madeline wrote a whole article. In the numbers behind it not gonNA. Do that though I will mention that eat my Guy Ethan Zubak's as more goals in less minutes this year than she read those two goals in five hundred, seventy, seven, I've got one in five, ninety, eight Niagara in a row with his first career thousand good. Now's a good hit was asked I was here for the Let's talk about something that our guy producer Phil in. Queens he is disavowing UTICA. These days I asked us he said, do any culture coaches get the mulligan treatment because of waves furiously in the air all of this. Are we giving mulligans to coaches right now or not? Yeah I think so. When you get when Jim Barrichello to? I would not. explain that dichotomy there. I think with with the players at his disposal. You would. You would imagine that he could figure out a style of play and in a way that they're an identity not just a Christian pavone show where you expect him to do everything one, be one and create in the attacking half. John? Dos Santos. Now, he's a player that is up for best defensive midfielder in this league. When you want to throw that in into. The Pie I think. Playing Games is part of the. Holiday Yeah could talk about that but production in two thousand twenty D is not better than Jose Martinez. He hasn't even play. When he has. Take you back how about this? Why would you give coaches mulligans in this year either of you Okay. So for instance, Macho and bacteria Anri give him a Mulligan yeah that team. Needs so many improvements so many upgrades. So many roster moves in you're just trying to make the most your situation conquer CAF champions league. They they were doing well in the be you're considering that the. Really had that much but they were getting results and then you you that throws a wrench into your plans you're derailed as far as the progress that you've made that competitions done the whole stoppage then trying to work on it, you have all these. Different. Rules in place because you're in. Canada so yes, to you know. There's just a lot that goes into it and I think he's just trying to make the most of this year try and figure out who he wants to keep for next year who he wants to move on from and boy on has really over the last three or four matches start to perform starting to show me something he hadn't done that since he's been in a Macho Impact Jersey. So if he can get the most out of boy on heading into next year, so you have an under. Of where you WanNa play him and you can build around him because that he can be a centerpiece I think I think Jarran Reed definitely deserves a Mulligan for this year I would I agree with you I would throw basically all the new coaches and in just say you didn't get a proper you had a plan. This is how we're going to build. Through, preseason this is how we're going to develop. An was the exact example of that it started defensive and they were cleaned defensively in Seattle. They were going to play five in the back and slowly start to build their ideas in possession, and then they didn't get to practice for six months and didn't get to play competitive game. So Tab Ramos goes on that list. Ref Rony. ISLA. Goes on that list. Who would you say Rafeh Vicky? Vicky Diego Alonzo and Gary Smith to Gary Smith's credit. He got his team in the playoffs right now but they've been hurt I also extend that a little too Robin Fraser and Freddy Gutierrez Goud Start Coaching last year but didn't get the time to implement their ideas. The ones who don't get a mulligans are the ones who have been around and I think there was already frustration obviously ben in his own category on this on but I think. Golota, but I think Golota, goes in that one as well where he's already been in La and there was already a level of frustration with the way the team played have improved since then and I guess materiel Maida goes in there as well. Just because you saw the flaws in what they wanted to do last year. And they still see those flaws. This year Marcus does probably not as well but by the way. Typical San Jose earthquakes, roller coaster lifestyle. Straight wins. Let's go they slapdown Vancouver. So that made me decide that they are not among the five words teams in MLS. So I went into the standings any team that has earned at least one point or less per game. This year can be in the running. Who is the worst team in MLS Charlie? WHO GETS that? Let's call it an honor. It's a it's a match between. DC. In Vancouver whitecaps for bottom of the barrel, it's those two. And I think at the moment DC takes the cake as the worst team in major league soccer because it seems to me that hope is gone. It is lost they. They're just going out there to you know receive a paycheck at this point because. I'm left astonished with the amount of talent that they have on this roster. You Have Julian Gristle, you had Edison Flora's who you played out of position. We even play style that basically allowed him to flourish. You had all Amaro you brought back and he's a proven goalscorer. In this league. He touches the ball may be three times, four times a match you have bill goal who's always been a a stand out in this league one of the better goalkeepers. Assab. Brianti were that was a reliable centre-back pairing if you know junior Moreno started in Copa. America. Last year yet just. It's been a disaster it is a disaster. From. Top to bottom so I don't know when you start to make changes whether it's now g wait till the end of the year but I think for the fan base for DC united they deserve a lot more they deserve a lot more for how dedicated they are for what they've given to this club what they've given to the area it's not acceptable and a lot of things have to change. Running here Dawson running here. Charlie made a spirited argument I don't think I I don't think anybody's going to beat that are legal ways. If you. If you WANNA make an argument, you know how to get at US please feel free to do. So quickly shouts shot at the Iowa Canola. Toronto's young man I think his eighth goal year body ING Andrew Farrell's audience, and recruit. Now, we on I R I submit his game. I said it was a foul. And I just WanNa say that I might have been. There was no pressure whatsoever in that I made that choice on my own volition so i. Look Riddle and he pushes I think Pharrell, has position in also one patrol Charlie Yeah let's say you you said it's a man's game. Yeah I say no foul I think Farrell's off. Center because he's running to try and stay in front of Atkin Nola, and then they both slow up for the ball and there's contact and Farrell goes down I don't think. I can only extend that arm and I don't think that it's an illegal action and then it's a pretty finish with the outside of the foot com as you like This is very simple. They're both going for the ball and Andrew Farrell starts in a deeper position. So heating ICAN essentially get to at first but I oh, canolas, I think into rabbit acceleration from step one to step three. Got Him in a position to John's with Andrew Farrell enhanced fighting which they both did is not a foul. That's one to Feral is upright in upright position like he was going to make a touch. There was no intentions run through and clear it out and I've been in training with Andrew Farrell where we've been in that position fifty fifty almost or I have a little slight edge or step on him, and he just clears me out not no questions asked the balls in the fiftieth seat in the Bleacher, right? Like okay. Well, done. Even if it is a foul, whatever you you know you're coming in with attention heart. This was the case where he thought I got the edge I have stepped. Didn't really think that. I I and all those that quick he caught up to him and then the full. Muscle the power that went into the the bump and the bump was commercial goes on on the back end of the show, the Brits a shoulder and Ferrell's momentum because he was upright. He takes the the ball like between his legs and trips and false is the momentum that took him down from the bump. And then like Goss said. It's on his right side so you would think, okay what are you going to do here? You can try and dribble home you're gonNA use your left foot and he caught metro off guard because it was a quick shot with the outside of his right foot to bend around him and it was a it's a classy finish an understated finish and I after watching I owe a number of times this year. He's really developed into something special. He has something different. And if if I am in the US national team Can't. I'm looking to bring him in because he offers something extremely different from Josse ours from from from a yes. He does extremely I know but I'm just saying I'm here to fight for Canada stop it. I. Oh, absolutely not. Different than any other striker in the pool, and so therefore, you want AOL Canola to start getting reps with these US men's Ashfield team because. I'm excited when I watch him play he's short to the ground goodspeed not not world class but good speed good acceleration strength and the intelligent runs the timing of the runs when you're playing with a Puello that's only gonNa make you that much better to be always be ready for various type of passes and so a very, very high on strikers that have something different and he's one of them it. Feels like a lot of the things aren't as does, but he's ten years younger. It isn't that he's already a little cleaner on the ball, and then he can come in and do some of the things that Josie is done. Well, Gavin needs to develop more but to Charlie's point, there are a few players in the striker pool that do something. Well, he can do multiple of those things well, which we had. Maybe. Like a complete player maybe a blessing it said this is we always want guys a healthy, but maybe a blessing for I o and for the US and Ashton bullet, Josie has been a little bit hurt. This year that he's got these opportunities nine goals says producing unders in the chat. It over thousand minutes just over. So that's good return. He has eight goals this year he live. So before this year. Like he's he's on form, but he's also a young guy you're expected to continue and expect maybe there's another couple jumps up that he can make shots the union big. Three. Zero. Winners. Seniors the best attacking player he's ever coached. The senior gotta go on this one Brennan Joy was easy win for the Union. That's why they need to rack up. Shout out to Houston Dynamo as well. Texas Darby Windows. Yeah I response about this for Houston, I thought they played really well, they've played well over the last few weeks but to we've had a conversation. About retreads and signings and this and that, and you've mentioned his name, a couple of times. But area lassiter creates the goal obviously mistake Santos but the early read of the play to get it into tariffs feet rather than to try and get to the online and pull it back creates the goal and he's been awesome for them at centre forward and out wide and. I think it just goes to our idea of he expectations of players at by and he was Atalay two and the galaxy really didn't know how to bridge a player from that level to the MLS level needing really get his opportunities and the team was bad when he did it goes out to Costa Rica and works on his trade and gets opportunities and finishes and. Coming back now I thought he was just going to be a squad player. I thought this was just we need numbers and he has been a difference maker for this team and he's going to be huge depending on what happens with Minolta's he's already filling in for release at times and I think he's going to be a guy that's going to be around Houston for awhile. Shot out to Winston read a Sporting Kansas City won a win for Kansas City Winston. Reid has basically been playing soccer essentially since. Two thousand seventeen eighteen it's been a long long winding road and that's how he ended up in. Kansas. City. He hasn't scored a goal since the twenty sixteen, seventeen season. So. You could see after he scored the goal I'm watching it just what's happening with my brother and I was like Mad Winston Reid. Felt this once oh congratulations, the Winston Reid forgetting that moment and I even waiting. The time continuing a legacy of great. Emma. Last New Zealand centrebacks Ryan Nelson. United and Ama- Last Cup starter Andrew Boyens the God. Wow. Good reference. That's a good name. Various. We're going to show up to the impacts Charlie I. Feel you already did the Bojan Shadow. I do and Lapa Line and has also been good I think. When you look at wingers in this League Lapa Line and has also something different. He's very direct. T. E. can score goals with both feet. I think when he's fit and healthy and confident is going to be really tough to deal with. So if if he can get going and they can keep him long-term and boy on those two pieces that you can really build off maybe mason. Maybe amazing. visit. Jones Columbus Crew Academy director the David earlier today I'll do almost predict sex present by MGM, we got six games you make your picks you've got your side wages. Well. So twelve choices to make every single week as you try to figure out, I don't know it's near impossible. I don't know how anybody does it. What will happen in major league soccer or game this week I'm GonNa make the executive. Decision. Elliott of Sea Seattle Seven PM EASTERN ESPN zone in Canada boozer picture. L. AFC or Seattle. What are you got? Moving up. I think for me, you have to sale if see just because they didn't play mid week. So they've got a chance to get fresh come into this game although they do lose Brian Rodriguez internationals Seattle. Rosy by the way. Yeah. So she goes. Missing pieces and they had to play mid week. So we'll bruins starter it. You don't have as much depth in those spots and I think fairly have see you've seen Bradley Art Phillips starts to come on over the last few games as movement alongside that Seattle backline leads to goals in my mind. So I, think this is a game where yell AFC right now needs to win four three this where they have that op potential so I'm picking. I'm going FC. It's a decent because starring. I'm going to Seattle sounder. Okay. Well, we'll talk. Do because Seattle was a little bit little bit heavy lagged. Wednesday and they played. A big guys, and so now they have to go and travel I believe away. and Go from there. So I think La has the edge just in rest of Wise. It's clear with Rosie gone and with. Seattle have I'M GOING TO PICK 'em In both both defenses have been suspect. So whether it's will bruin whether it's redesigned. Rudy is obviously is is lethal, but still it's not like you're battling the League's Best Defense L.. AFC. So I think when you have the Darrow when you have Dorn Morris you still these pieces that can really hurt you. I just believe that Seattle sounders They have this belief right now that they're they're meant to to win this year I think that they are confident and the defense is actually playing well so I'm going to go with Seattle sounders. I liked it. I liked it under says, this is why Charlie's is favorite hosts so you. Do I, drink producing. These Swedes they just they just want all the praise in the world. All right. Let's take a listen to this interview debuted with. It Right Well. See there as you pandering again. Kelvin Jones Columbus Curiously Academy. Director. Now it's time for at and T. Five G. Call to the field and an exciting a chance for me to nerd out about youth development and the future of soccer in America with Columbus Crew AC- Academies Director Elvin Jones, first of all congratulations a new title for you can evolve welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Yeah. Thanks for having me Still we're getting used to that title but no excited to be here. So let's go to your background a little bit. You played college at wake forest went through the pro ranks a little bit us molasses, and then worked as an academy director. I believe outside of the MLS circles before joining Columbus as a youth coach. What's your soccer background? How did you get here? You said that was forced to go to wake forest, play their four, and then after I graduated played in the US l. for four years five years couple of seasons with the Charleston battery, and then few years with the Richmond kickers back in Virginia It's where I'm from So they were always kind of a hometown team Stop playing owned nine in like most soccer players when their career's over and you spent twenty five years planning the game you kinda wondering what you want to do it your life So got into coaching you clubs in my hometown area was fortunate enough to be offered an opportunity to become a a directive. in a club about an hour and a half away from from my hometown was there for six years worked with when I got. There was a youth coach. When I finished I was a u seventeen u eighteen coach and work with just. From top to bottom boys and girls. So I've seen the whole spectrum been around for a while and most of my my time is Ben spent the back East in in Virginia so and then ended up here in two thousand seventeen. So, you have a great idea to or due to tell us about amyloidosis next because you've worked of outside the MLS structure and now inside at the time the DA of working with mls academies what is MLS next bring to the US and Canadian soccer youth seen, and what has what have you seen so far in the early start Yeah, it's it's. It's not much different in terms of the structure because it picks up where the DA left off But what is I think is unique about the structure of the League itself it it really wants to take on the list. It's the input from the non MLS clubs as the formation of what this league looks like They're seven working committees not only we just MLS, clubs would also not. MLS. Clubs that worked behind the scenes just to make sure that the landscape works well, not only for them but for Auckland's and Darryl and it's tough to kind of branch out what the interest of the League looks like. Now, because of covert and some of the ideas, the bigger overarching ideas of what this legal look like well, obviously take some time because his new but also. Take some time because we're dealing with the new normal meantime all the clubs in their local environments or are adapting and and communicating and moving forward Anita. Unprecedented Times is to make sure that we are also made for right direction, and of course, Govan, as you sat unprecedented throwing everything off but a lot of plans, a lot of change has been happening in US youth soccer donating. His Soccer Coaching and development over the last two years before they assume will hopefully go on after it as well. You mentioned being coaching director at your last academy where we at in terms of the development of coaching in the United States because it feels like if you look back twenty years and you look at the issued soccer has the wasn't high and fixed a lot of them with funding and. Competition but coaching and tactics are the last real big step. Yeah. Absolutely Still would that we've always go but we're moving in the right direction We were talking about this as the staff the other day it's it's the access to the game itself the only for kids that play, but also for coaches in the education and to give that access for coaches along the way is really really important whether we have the club or helping the local market or the education system is allowing those coaches that want to be in the system to get into the system, and I think sometimes the the burden of cost Doesn't allow those coaches that WANNA move up the ranks to move up in the ranks. So that's when clubs like us that have the staff that can go out and outreach educate. The local community gives only the kids that halfway to get to this market but also the coaches I think it's really important to show the coaches that just because you're at a level that you may not want to be at right now there's a pathway for you to to reach this level literally just talking to her you fourteen coach about fifteen minutes ago about this Sometimes it's who you know. They get you in the door and it's what you know that keeps you here. So it's important that along the way that you're still moving forward and educating yourself in how we can do that as a club is real important to help grow on the game only in our local community. But also you mentioned access and this is something we've talked about a lot of last few months and should have been talking about for last year's, which is opportunity for coaches of minority, black coaches especially in the MLS circles and women as well where we don't see enough of that Opportunity on the coaching side. Where do you see the false there and where can a clobbered emily or US soccer? Fillon. Yeah, you're spot on with that. Is Literally just talking to a fortune about it There's. It's access it's the monetary access that you can limit that burden a little bit to allow coaches to to to be in the system. Let's be honest the majority of coaching in this country that affects the majority of kids are our coaches that also have fulltime jobs and it's difficult to say, Hey, I stop my full time job for a week and go to coach education because my by fulltime job pays by pays my bills and these family So we gotta think outside of the box of how each and reach these communities around these communities coming to us So for us in our community, it's going to these clubs going to these environments going. Through maybe these lower income communities and like I said, giving a pathway to these coaches in educating them and not only the XS and os of out of cheat soccer. But also to mentor kids at the end of the day. That's what we are and at the end of the day at the younger ages, you want the kids to enjoy it and have fun. So how do you foster an environment to make sure the kids enjoyed it and have fun. So by the time they're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, they're still involved in the game they love for the game and the hopefully by the time they get stay they've development only at soccer players, but there's also kids. Oh. No No, no I was GONNA say I want to shift to that soccer side though I love the mentor talk but we gotta get these guests. It'd be good on the field we're looking at do rain and West mckinney and all his success. One of the ideas I think that's more recently into US coaching circles is making sure everything has to do with the game and. You know not just going for runs but making sure that the ball's involved in all those things on the field tactically, what's changed in coaching Recently, what are you try to push wire? Where do we still have to go because it feels like for kids that get to Europe bats that last piece that Americans aren't equal at to a lot of parts of the world. Sure. And I guess you can break down just to to gain insight and and how the kids perceive it and see the game For us here, the club, it's what we do is all revolves around how the player interprets and use the game. So all the activities that we have, there's always some sort of decision that the player has to make boilers on the ball off the ball whether it's I. had time in space or on on time and space in one of the movements that are involved in that first and. Have Success in our game model. So to start big, there's gotta be an overall plan of how he play. Then distill it down into the individual decisions that the these eleven players have to make at the same time in coordination for the team to be successful. So then it breaks down into tactics and having defined tactics. I think the biggest thing for me coming from my previous environment into this environment is. The old environment is the XS and os of pitching. But how do you incorporate the XS and os teaching into tactics and it really is was apparent dot here that is deficient in those areas and had a lot to learn But I think part of it was the education that I had along the way that didn't necessarily focus on those things and I think that's kind of where the education system is is shifting is the fine and have these coaches these clubs having day model in which they looked to teach them and then. distilling down to find areas within that model that that helps develop team but also help the player literature and we've seen from Columbus. I know I cover the youth ranks JAKUP Cup. Every year some of the better soccer being played in Columbus. We've also now seen the success into the first team of Smash Berhalter in our Kedah and more players Morris as well coming through what do you make of what's been successful for Columbus, and when you look around the league at big cities like La and New York in Dallas out of Columbus Compete at the youth love. Or Yeah, overall players. Yeah. I would say that you we we've been a club the older ages you contend that we punch above our weight a smaller market compared to these other markets. The FC Dallas is the in my season and all these big markets but are older age teams the to compete because we look to develop those players that they can adapt within the game and not just necessarily play system they can play soccer and they can develop on and. Make decisions on the field you look at a Buba in Sebastian and in Aden that have obviously played well with in our in the economy, they've gone off to school and done well within those schools in and they come back and are doing well within within the first team in all three of those environments, your different all those environments pose an environment where the player has to happen to learn and fortunately for those guys, they've picked it up pretty quickly and we can be. More accent for how they transitioned from the youth to the pro game. In such a short period of time, you mentioned the going to college though it's been interesting that Columbus seems to have developed. The idea of you go to college for a semester. Then we see we bring you back maybe joined the pro ranks. You don't have a US team right now there's rumors of reserve leagues as well. What is the key to the bridge from academy to being a successful pro? Is it this college setup you guys have used or is there other ideas you've seen from around? The world that you want to implement. No. Absolutely there's we've been missing that gap for years but we been pleased with with the process We know college was part of the pathway for all of our own our kids because we have that gap to to to catch them against pros or adults, and their first taste of that was in college So we know that we're missing that pathway. So getting that second team and testing, these kids at age is along the way throughout hopefully consecutive years it gives us a clear picture where that players stands with in our environment and then gives us a better opportunity to gauge more. Consistently whether or not they're ready for that first thing jump or also know them to the right school in the right Environment also brings them back into the pathway. So having success, we navigate those past and putting those colleges and those kids coming out. We couldn't be happier for the product that's come out Now knowing that will hopefully have the second team with him the the near future to bridge that gap at an earlier age to test a matter earlier ain't by the time they graduate out of the Academy we have a more educated approach as to where they are in the game and then making the right decision for their futures. Do. You have an idea when you look and you coach I think he started with you twelve Columbus when you see the eleven and twelve year old juvenile who's GonNa go pro is it linear to the point yet where you say this is our guy this is the one where pushing through and they end up making it through. If somebody tells you that they should eleven year old that they know is going to be a pro I'll find that person right now but it's. Obviously the younger ages you can tell Talat. How that develops is. It's it's a crystal ball. You don't know What we are confident in the environment and the education soccer environment that we've created that will allow players to continue to grow along the right pathway. So Yes there players that you identify you. Develop high-potential. So you you make sure that you keep is the making sure they develop but you've also got those players that are to be late developers that at sixteen, Seventeen, eighteen maserpass that player that was dominated at eleven twelve and thirteen. So is making sure that you create a pathway not only for the players that you perceive to be the top players in the environment but also those players that you know have the potential and how do you successfully identified developed developers and put them on a pathway. To develop throughout the path that we have your economy. Okay. I'M GONNA. Let you go because you've got buyers to develop and good things to do but I wanna ask you one more before I. Let you go. We're all excited about the young players that have come through for us soccer. You've studied coach and you've studied youth development around the world for years. How close are we to other countries? Are we catching up? Is A golden generation? What's your take on the future for this in the US? I think the the players that have gone on to bigger things going to speak for themselves we are catching up I. I would say the world beware because the the system that we have in place or only coming more structured in a US to develop players So it's great for the game domestically it's great for the game nationally and it's great to. have these players being seeing and showcase at the highest level around the world that have come from environment like this that we can hang our hats on and say what we're doing is working We don't have the heritage that these other countries have We're developing our legacy but we're moving in the right direction and to see these kids succeed. It's it's something to hang our hat plug. But we are excited to keep watching Columbus has a lot to be proud of so far and under Calvin. Jones we expect to see a lot more over the coming years. Academy director bore the Columbus Crew. Kevin, thanks for taking the time to join US bill. Thank you appreciate it. Good Kelvin Jones awesome. Enjoyed that enjoyed that I mean I think that's one area that we maybe haven't touch as much as we should in this show, which is we always talk about player kids. We always talk about the young players that we like in the league that are getting opportunities at the first level. We haven't really dug into the academy side too much, and maybe this is the start of something you liked the interview if you want more data suggestion for who we should interview in this phase or anywhere else us know or one, zero, six, zero molasses it the mailbag the kind of the awards. Are. Coming we will do the official extra time kind of awards show after the end of the regular season because these are regular wards, and as you know, these are awards that are given to people that are not normally honored like there is no defensive midfielder award, major league soccer. There's no award for the outside backs. There's not warrant for super subs. If you're an American attack and Clare, you're probably getting stiff same thing with Canadians, we want to find ways to honor people don't get honored by the formal system. So we've asked you our listeners, the most creative ridiculous people in the world. to help us and we put it on twitter and we got a lot of new ones in my favorite was by far the mattdoyle over hyped random uconn. Graduate of the year. Would see we have a good one. This year as he really beat likes pro I. Still, producing players Why? I don't have one this year that he's been obsessed with. But if somebody out there can remember let us know Tom Boettger hit us up said the Mush assery. Like that. He Wouldn't be over hyped Newcastle. Tom boettger mustache of the year who says is exclusively Sasha questions domain. He will not hear any other nominees which I interpreted as Tom Boettger trying to advance an award that he could win. Really has the best mustache and Major League Soccer Otis Lions at us up Daniel Vega mistake prone player of the year one by Daniel. Vague I would assume I don't know Arianna has to be pushing on that one. Yeah producing hundreds and the we now I've been thinking about this for a while should we try to find a way to have like you know like VH1, used to do the I don't know the show where like the little. Thought bubbles would pop up. Should we let produce an honors be a part of the show by letting his chats? into the Youtube version or is that mainly but maybe but only when we talk about Seattle sounders related things because he's completely unbiased there, otherwise, I worry about bias another topics. That's fair David applegate who is a legend in these US soccer parts says the sneaky Pete Marino award, which is a throwback, a look that one up the most unlikely player to lead his team in scoring or the most unlikely player to have ten goals in a season. I really liked that one Michael cars came straight for pity Martinez his head with these Saudi underperforming DP award. Ton of money has been awful who the Saudis will drop a pilot cash for. Cape Straight for pity on that one and then we have some other ones that were the best animal encounter which clearly goes to be the murderous al in Miami this year. Pretty much a runaway. Any other animal is willing to be nominated in that category for fear of their lives uninsured. MILWAUKEE. Dave hit us up with a ton like the best ones. I think Dave. I, think this computer died. Now it's Not, didn't he was on fifteen percent and he was going to struggle to get through the got you loss. Service all of a sudden. We're what did your in? MILWAUKEE HIT US up with. Topics best positional switch of the year, which I think is a really good one. He has some examples frankie my demon Mahela. Vich Busey Oh to the six memo Rodriguez having infield homegrown player of the year. But I actually like his second version, which is the breakthrough homegrown of the year. ELSIA SUPERSUB, which we've talked about celebration crop of the year. So using an outside rocks, the US, a magic spray has to be magic and then trade of the year and he finishes out with Santa Fe's Cobra of the year. Is On. Some of these trade of the year that one doesn't get a lot of love 'cause like we were talking about signings, it must comes back to quote unquote. Incoming transfers people would call them link the big deals does. Not Sab is definitely one that we need to do just so that Charlie can talk about Anthony Ana to be honest with you. and then the I really do like the positions which the year and I think we just have to give that jungle caboose Yo for going back and forth back and forth and back and forth depending on the day. To. We just get to the roast. But we have any other ones visit dependent thing which is just Charlie's been wanting to complain about it for about forty five minutes is the defensive midfielder of the year Hank in Salt Lake. City says, how could you guys talk defensive midfielder year and not talk about Tiago Santos? At the base of Dallas's midfield and then jd in. Orlando says how you guys talked about defensive midfielder and I'm not talk about Orlando City Sebah Mendez Eros Alex both of them we did speak about haven't Mendez definitely been top five I would consider over our tear and Jose Martinez Charlie would you like to send an email or tweet detection Emma Dot Com and complain about this? I think I might. Bleed compose something live. And we are going to close on this. It is from the literal email was junk email at gmail.com, ruth that that's where you go and says extra time stop it already I tune into your podcast here mls talk I don't care about all these players overseas especially if they haven't played in the MLS. If you WANNA start a podcast about European soccer go ahead and leave this one Tamil last players not a national team fan I'm an MLS fan. The US was playing another national team in the other had more MLS players. I'd be pulling for the other national first of all before we continue what a Unicor what what this is something that people would accuse us of dreaming up and inventing people would say you wrote this email to serve your own purposes complete with the junk e-mail gmail.com and. Fans on opposing national teams bit like this is. But it's about to get really cold. He says I, remember Claudio Reyna applying for the national team and he was fine it was fine. For. His Kid 'cause he didn't play here in MLS and ask for his dad would've done for me lately you've destroyed Atlanta United he's not getting into that but everything that has happened is on his watch. Well, you know this is a good point actually. This is a solid point because the united in NYC AFC had some battles. United at the top of the top of the heap, and then once Claudio Reyna took over. He's right. Yeah. They've they've just fallen off me now it's. Men Now nick me a little while to come to the realization that he thinks Carlos bocanegra cloudy arena are the same I in or he thinks that climate really doesn't want. I mean Fook, do Geo ran wasn't analyst, Kademi? So technically a wasn't Emma's first team player but his. Contract animal as legacy player I. Mean we're not. So yeah let's just clean it up at the end in the way which is so in short, do you WANNA do European soccer podcast in which I can get plenty elsewhere started differ one but please focus on the MLS. On the podcast I also be molest throughout is also just really incredible sort of as as Jeff's I sort of think this is actually performance art that was more someone who like in tongue-in-cheek when and knew there was some different flags that we would respond to, and we would be like acting credulous when we heard Of Is. Awesome. He's enchanted chance the producer of the call up for those of you know that I stand by the way listen to cops to the COP and the movement I hear is working on some new episodes as well. So go subscribe to. very early days but amazing podcast. Big. Thanks to Calvin Jones for joining us. Thank you. Guys are hanging out big denial for making her debut. In general sal have a little competition I don't have kids and somehow I'll get the baby in the show as well. Thanks all you enjoy your weekend. Everybody we'll see on. Monday.

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ERP-Helping a Fellow Cyclist

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

33:37 min | 1 year ago

ERP-Helping a Fellow Cyclist

"Test Test Test. Welcome to the encouragement ride. Podcast brought to you. Live and direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from our homing beautiful Gluck Stat Mississippi with your hosts those blinky using Straw. The swear buys helmet. How mustard loving always hydrated steadfast rules of the road abiding high tech nutritional exploring duo duck quarter ton of riding fun? Jimbo rarely and Kelvin Jones. Take it away boys everybody Jimbo Rayleigh and Calvin Jones. Your quarter toner writing fun. This is our February edition and Kelvin's got some really cool news. Talk about a An event that he's going to participate in and we also want to talk about something that is near and dear to our cycling community here in Central Mississippi. We lost Actually we have a friend. Jake Presley and his family were avid cyclist. It was his wife and six Chit Kids and they lost their lives. Tragically early Saturday morning to a house fire in Clinton Mississippi and we're absolutely devastated in. This is kind of a talk about Jake and talk about what we're doing writing. But what I'm GonNa let Kelvin. Kinda speak to Jake and his family. Yeah this has been a spin a pretty sad weekend on Friday February. The eighth Friday night early Saturday morning paper the eighth and Jimbo in iron well acquainted with Jake and his five sons and one daughter He started bringing his sons to encouragement. Ride that we would do all of a sudden. He showed up one night on bicycles. He brought his three three kids on bicycles. I see where you're writing from said from Clinton and for those of you aren't familiar with the area. That's a pretty long haul. What would you say Clinton to blogs that would be? It's Italy's twenty miles from from their house and we were a little taken back going. Okay this is an encouragement right. There's not a babysitting trip. Yeah that was the first time. Our first thing insured enough. We made it about two miles and those kids were gassed already. They were little and they're like thirty four but I tell you since we've started with them and they've kept up with it. Those boys became very strong writers up to the point of Super Bowl Sunday. We had a super bowl ride with a bunch of people and Jake was with his littlest or smallest youngest son. Who was six and the six year old? Did Twenty Miles. That's all gravel bike and I was riding with the twelve year old. Who was who was challenging. Me and speed would not let me pass it. And so these kids come a long way from when we first met him three or four years ago and and they are precious precious family. Every child was yes sir. No Sir my pleasure. You know the kind of customer service you expect it At chick-fil-a Jay did not have a lot of money but he was proud to raise his children. He loved his. He loved his family and he did whatever he could do to make money to take care of his family and He cut grass. He's one of those lawn lawn guys and he would rake leaves in the fall and cut grass in the summer. And that's we'd save up his money from all of his grass cuttings it anytime. They needed things for the bicycles. Which is kind of an expensive sport. It'd be well. No those children workforce and saved up their money for it and so he was teaching in the right way and I just had so much respect for him and his boys and they were always such a very strong part of the cycling community. Because anytime you would see. Jackie would never seen without at least one of his sons all L. I'd never saw him about three of me. So if you'd like to give if you go to our show notes you will find a gofundme page and there's also a an address if you would like to give directly to the church there's a Jake Presley Fund set out in the address. It's strictly up to you. They're trying to raise one hundred thousand dollars because they have to have a funeral for seven people and he. He didn't have a you know as far as I know. Britney has wide who also passed away in the fire. He lost his wife and six children. You know she was an elementary school. Did you saw not sure what kind of benefits she had as an elementary school teacher. But I'm speaking today just on the Assad. Let's just assume that there was no benefits especially with him being a self employed Lawn Care Guy. No health insurance maybe no medical insurance probably begnaud burial insurance and now he has to bury seven people at one time and he's in the hospital in ICU. In critical condition. But I think he's GonNa pull through but his house has got it. He has no belongings. His cars were gutted. Is You know as long equipment gutted. The only thing I told people yesterday at my church was the only thing that Jake has right. Now's the grace of God in the hospital gown. That's on his on his back in the hospital bed and so he has nothing and and he would greatly greatly appreciate anything that you could do for us to to help him out because we want to As a cycling community we want to stand for our brother who has lost so much in losing his wife and six children ages fifteen to sixteen months. So yeah we would just love it if you could do something he felt led to do it. And that's where we ever that and it's like community we we hear of tragedies all the time about cyclope hit in that sort of thing and it draws the cycling communities together and when we lose basically an entire family It hurts us not a single psych with that. I've talked to in. Our area was unaffected even if they did know him personally so Please go to the go fund me or or if you feel compelled to write a check and send it to the church directly. I'm sure every penny will be will will be grateful. So let's talk about to talk about something sad all the time but Kevin got a great honor or we'll figure careful what you wish for but Calvin started training for the dirty cancer ride which is a hundred mile. The minimum one hundred mile. A grab a ride up in Kansas in May Right Yes oh this is a lottery system. I think they allow two or three thousand riders each year to do the ride and it's like I think he can do fifty one hundred or two hundred or two fifty or something like that and so. I'm thinking like trying to apply for tickets at the Masters Golf Tournament. You just you just put your name in the hat and maybe after seven or eight years they'll pick your name and I did it the first time thinking. I had two or three years to train for this and boom the first go around. I got selected in the lottery. So hashtag be careful. What you ask for is Jimbo said we mentioned a little bit about the dirty Kanza in our last podcast so now reality set in and so we'll just keep you abreast of We want you guys to hold us accountable. We all weighed in ourselves on the very first day after the day it was announced and so my goal is to try to drop around twenty pounds between now and the ride. The ride has made thirtieth. It's in Emporia Kansas. It's one hundred Mile Bike. Ride elevation climb from people who've done it before has got calculated at around five thousand feet over a hundred miles. The thing that you have to worry about is time thing for the first fifty miles so you have to. Do you have to hit the halfway point at fifty miles in under five hours? If you do not make it at five hours they sag you were they make you stop and take you back to the start line and so you think well fifty miles five hours ten miles an hour. That's not too bad but if you walk doing a lot of he'll climbing or if you're changing a lot of flat tires that could be costly if you get off your bike to do anything. The clock is still running. Unfortunately they say this pretty sharp gravel rocks there and a lot of people have flat tires so probably going to run to bliss but I'll bring some spare inner tubes to try to quickly go in there if I can't if if if if the cut on the tires too big for the Tire sealant to to close up on. Its Own Cowan are also going to say from afar. But we're going to do some stuff to help train training and I'm six foot four and I weighed into forty five and I waited again this morning being Monday. And I'm still a two forty five. So Bob Weight loss part has not come down much. I'm was six three six two and I weighed in my starting. Starting fighting weight was to sixty two and through the Super Bowl weekend. I stayed at two went up two to sixty four. Because you know it's Super Bowl. Super Bowl was like a fat man's holiday and Saw Gain to sixty four then lost back down to sixty two and I don't wait but every Tuesday so my way in his tomorrow. This this podcast is going to go out before my next way in. But I'll I'll check in the next time. Well I WANNA follow us. We have a link in the show notes to our Strada page. So those of you strata. You can either pay for it or use the free but we haven't encouragement ride at suck. It's called the club. I would more call it a group but it's encouragement ride group on or club on strata. We haven't linked to it. And if you have a straw again to be a part of it you can find me if I. Calvin you can also find Kyle and his son Chris. Chris and I did a ride yesterday with Kyle. It was one of our very few days. We're in the midst of about twelve fourteen days of solid rain so t the garage or find something to do. Yeah it's kind of tough. So my goal too long with Kelvin is just get as much time we can be it on a trainer or spend by or if the weather's good. I'll get out and ride you know just some Bas- miles then so I encourage y'all to do is fired. You a ride a charity ride or fun ride. I'm hearing all over the place. We're going to try to highlight some on the next podcast where they may have anywhere from fifteen mile to a fifty mile bike ride and pick one out cost probably twenty five thirty bucks. You GET A T shirt. Maybe a cold right start training for something and if you would like to expand upon or talk about you can go to our facebook page with hours only to that as well and talked about your train and some things that you're doing or some cool right in your area because when I was looking at our podcast at we've got people from all over the country and we'd like to hear about some cool rides that that that we might could one day combined with. Yeah absolutely I mean you know the things that you hear us talk about our all of basically in the southeast civically geared toward central Mississippi where we're based out of but we have people listening to us in New York Washington even overseas and we would love to be a highlight in do some research and look at some of these really cool rides happen all over the country so if you have some cool rides that has that generates a lot of excitement and and has a lot of riders. Come into every year. Send us a link to that and we'll we'll look it up and talk to you about it this. It would be great to try to be able to advertise for you and tell people in your area about these lives. That are really cool. It if you're in a in Europe and you elect to sponsor us to come over. I have a passport in my mentioned back. And we'd love to come over. I'll just take care of our expenses will be. Yeah I mean you know airline tickets. Aren't that much. We'll be glad to just come over and and if you have a you know a bike for us to try to to ride in. Hey maybe if you want to take on the fringe APPs again had a e-bikes that you cannot let us have the electronic bike or horse than that maybe will come over and do something for you but yeah so we got you know like I said we're we're looking at. I'm training for the dirty. Kanza into intimate. We have the natural trae century right at the beginning of. May We have the the bikes blues by Using Greenwood. Which is a very cool. Rod has a lot of beauty blues music flat as a pancake and fast in August. What else you got the gears and beers the bow bikes Bama a Bo Jackson that the ballplayer over in Auburn. And we talked about. So there's lots of Rate arrived that we can talk about in discussing and train for so yeah. It's we look forward to hearing from you. Another thing that I wanted to talk about briefly that Jimbo wasn't aware of but I thought about driving over here was I did. I did a ride with the Gravel Cup series and you can look that up go to ordinary ethics dot com. And they're doing a four race Gravel Cup series. It's pretty cool. It's kind of like the Tour de France. So if you win the first race or if you place you get the leader's Jersey nature you have to defend the Jersey for the other three races and so this this Saturday was third out of four races in Ackerman Mississippi is called the Rock crusher but really in reality it was called should be called the soul crusher because it was a really really gravel by grabbing anyway one of the stops a border town bikes. Starkville MISSISSIPPI. They had a big huge bag of this stuff called Carbo rocket and I looked at it and it is a meal in a liquid meal so basically we talk about the past podcast about having snacks or Gu's or maybe snickers bars or something with you to a few yourself I look at this and it's You put three scoops and twenty eight ounces of water. And it's one hundred eleven calories a scoop and it turns out to be a serving sizes three scoops for three hundred and thirty three calories and then that three hundred thirty three calories you get eighty two milligrams of carbohydrates in several like fifteen hundred milligrams of BC as branch chain. Amino acids justified. Basically the premise is they want you to drink your your fuel and hydrate without having to carry food. Because it's three hundred thirty three calories and as you know if you're on a ride you WANNA take in about two hundred to three hundred fifty calories an hour so they're basically giving you food in a powerful to mix with your water and your hiding and getting your nutrition at design time. Do they have steak Baked Potato Salad? I don't know but they had great but it was pretty taste and you know what I did. I did feel my water bottle up with that thing at the halfway point and I tell you I was not. I didn't feel like I was burning out or hitting a wall or anything after that so I'm probably going to buy a bag of it and try it out and I'll get back and we'll talk about it. We'll test it for the link on the way I'll put a link in the show much to it and placing order in. We'll give that. Yeah it's called. It's called Carbo rocket and this is called the three thirty three half evil all in one endurance drink. And it's not that pricey it's only like thirty five dollars for and that's evil as an evil can able. Yeah so yeah here. It is three hundred thirty three calories in one bottle that tastes and drinks like one hundred calories mixes forty five hundred milligrams of branch chain Amino acids and l glutamate sixteen hundred milligrams of electrolytes fifty milligrams of caffeine eight two milligrams of care on stacks up to me. Yeah absolutely I mean. We're not we're not again we're not. We're not hawking it or anything else is just a brand new product that I'm going to try. Also one of the last podcast. I told you I was going to try to buy some invocation cream because my toes get really cold. I got some Shanty butter in rotation cream. And what I rubbed it on my toes and does keep your your toes warm It's kind of like a atomic bomber. Been Gay kind of thing. If you're out of really cold weather for longer than an hour a year. She couldn't tell the difference but the first hour month. My toes are toasty. So the rotation cream I give it a four out of five stars It works but if you're going to be longer than our you may need to reapply and who wants to carry a thing of that with you home an hour. I'm looking forward if I could pour coffee in my boot I would do it. Yeah Yeah so so Kevin likes to finish this up with an encouraging word and so the there's no really encouraging word that I'm going to quote today. I'm just going to ask that everybody. The here's this podcast. If you have children if you have wives or husbands looked tonight if you can give them a call to them you love them give them a hug. I know that my son was twenty. Seven years old I don't tell him I love him enough and on the other day I went over to him as he was leaving the house and I said Hey I gave him a great big hug and I looked in the is said. Hey Man I just wanted to let you know that I do love you with all my heart and I'm very proud of you of the man that you become and I wanted to tell you I love you just in case. I didn't see again tomorrow. And because the last thing I wanted to the only time I heard my dad say he loved me was when the Pastor told me that he did at his funeral and so I did not want to do that to my son and I told him to his face that I loved him and And I was proud of him. The man's becoming the job that he's doing and so if you have family holding tight because life is a life is not guaranteed tomorrow and and Jake has lost his wife and six kids and he can't of them and tell them that he loves them anymore and so just just do that and make the world a little bit better place with your family. We will Try to have another podcast in the next two weeks or so. So please go fund me or Radicek on in Jake Sonner and if you have any Stuff you'd like to share. Please go to our facebook page and you can go to Strada and follow us in our encouragement ride. Podcast club and If you if you don't like our podcast let us know until we can make better do like our podcast tell somebody thank you very much just a quick reminder friends you can follow along or get in touch with us at the encouragement ride on facebook and on twitter at at encourage writing. Be Sure to subscribe to the encouragement ride. Wherever you find podcasts. So you'll never miss a single. Jim Of wisdom from these bicycling behemoths. Hey everybody this is a quarter tunnel riding on Jim. And we've got our our our third wheel so to speak and hopefully a more frequent co host cow hairston cows men riding weather see. We kind of introduced a little bit on the last. Podcast and CAL. Son is on a mountain bike team. And we've been a little bit arriving. What Chris is boy account I? We're GONNA talk a little bit about you know some winter riding some of the things we've done recently. He is a participant of the Mississippi. Gravity cut which is a grab series. That is a four part segment and he is embarking on the last of the four. So talk a little bit about the Gravel Cup. Grab a riding how. It's a little different and similar to run ration- road writing. Yeah Road Ryan but in this case is actually a race but there's also recommended to it as well right correct. There's a hundred mile and fifty mile races. I'm doing the twenty five mile which is a fun ride. Say Same. Everything said there's no podiums is just a social event mainly for people that don't want to were Cambridge fifty miles one hundred. Sure sure. So do you have a specific bike? Are The road bike. You change out the wheels. Kinda teach us. Teach me a little bit about the gravel bikes. And what's different? What similar for someone. Who doesn't really know much about bites. They would look at it and say it's a Roebuck but biggest differences. The tires is there not by as with their own somewhat knobby tires wider than their lower pressures. Read by towers are over one hundred. These people are running thirty forty. Psi to their little taller a little thicker and a little wider Okay because I know my mom by my mouth by tires. I'm supposed to run between forty and sixty the new tires. I just put a line between thirty and fifty okay. So what's the handling community using? The curl drop handlebars or hours. But they're wired in robot really so I mean. Is it tough for me? I'm sure it's like anything if you ride the sand. You're hard to do but surgery. Good control with the withdrawal Hannoversche. Definitely a lot of control. He put too much pressure. Your tires you're GonNa really get into lowers better in this case. Yes God okay because I like to keep my I mean I'm I'm big boys. I like to keep my road by tires. Almost Max I run between one fifteen twenty one St. Okay okay. So the racing format is it a kind of a group start or is it more of a time event like you say you run a five K with a chip all the hundred dollar start together and you bet you the fifty dollars goat a little bit later than that. Gotcha in let us go. We're we're also timed but we don't win anything other than just the seeing where you wind shirt off. Calvin mentioned that they they actually have a Yellow Jersey competition amongst the yes. We do the the longer right category really. Yeah that's kind of fun. So does y'all listen. If I'm more of a Rhody Colladay I've I spend more time on the road by and they're going to drag me kicking and screaming into the gravel but it sounds like something. That's that's going to be fun but I know this from from this Differences is overall speeds Cowan. Chris and I rode yesterday and it was bloody miserable. We've GOT STORMS ALL OVER MISSISSIPPI. And this we're taping this on February the tenth and we were running into twenty sometimes starting mile an hour headwinds and we still averaged fifteen sixteen miles an hour for for our one hour ride. Gravel fifteen sixteen to cook. That's that's you're you're you're in the top ten percent of your group so good pace is anywhere from say. What ten to twelve over nine to eleven about eleven twelve okay and you know this also biting me but it's it's not far off right for for me. That's good enough. Yeah I mean I've got two guys. Tell me that when I first started riding again where do I wanna be and they said for you know guide my skill level my size par golf would be about nineteen miles an hour over an hour and I can count on of enough. There's not a whole lot of rides. You know because you have stopped signs and you have traffic lights that sort of thing. I'm actually averaging. We're averaging ninety miles per hour for for an hour hour half now we didn't we did in The grand ride last year. We have just over just just under twenty and that included stop so there were points where we were doing twenty four twenty five and that's not for everybody and we worked up to it. So when does the next Grab a series start next year round stone. Okay so it's more of a false frigging that. Yeah okay okay. So we've got a bunch of Rhode stuff that we're going to do this year. Some charity rides. Some you know. Just sixty hundred milers fifty miles depending on terrain One of the things this early in the season like to talk about just setting a goal or having a list of milestone. You'd like to hit depending on where you are in your availability to training. I'm sure most everybody will have a decent riding weather by May so check your facebook pages. Check the web for for bike rides and see what's in your area in report back to let us know what you're training for I mentioned with Calvin that you can find us if you're a strive user. We have a strong club. Hate the Word Club. But there's a link in the show to click on it logging with your strive account which they have a pay. I do the premium. They pay me to say this but they also have a free account so you can try. You can try me. How and Calvin as we do a rides and be part of a bigger group. Make some comments in. You can also go to our facebook page which there is a link to the facebook page and Geno and tell us about some kind of cool events. You've got coming up or any you know questions. You might have basic writing questions in. We'll be happy to try to answer back to you. So what's up next? What are we next? Cow We do on a rod may is that right. Nah just I guess. That's one element. He's not GonNa Make Kelvin's going to do it on his on his map bike or excuse me. I'm not going to do that. We talked about the three of us doing some training with Calvin We all wait in Kelvin. He's lost a parent or two cows lost around two and I absolutely lost Zero Zero Zero Guy Right now. Look for four and a half so all of us are in the two fifty ish range were open to be the three quarter ton of riding fine minus some extra way. By the time we get to the full writings. Something else I've incorporated is. I've been doing pushups one of the things that want to buy. That will drive you down to just extra weight nothing bulky guy but I kind of backed off the weight training for size and just doing Bush. Apps do some sit ups a lot of setups a lot of. Twang and just things to to help your core because we know what the climbing that once your legs get tired to rely on your back. Your back will start to stiffen up so the more core work. You can do the better off in Bay so anything you're incorporating besides just changed up a good instead of picking out for lunch for dinner. I'm just doing the small meal every two hours. Granola bar. Seven Yogurt blueberries it none apples and peanut butter and so because my travel schedule. I try now. I tried to sort of on foot long. Sub What I get a six inch subway and stick to the Turkeys two roast beefs. That sort of thing lied on economists. No CHIPS NO SOFT DRINKS. Drink WATER DRINK COFFEE. And that's kind of my. Yeah half and half of my coffees my my trade the number of stairs today. Okay Watch keeps up with shirt scams and it tells me if I do if I do Tim. That's the goal for the day. Right I try to do what today on forty every other day. So that's just a personal goal. We'll do push ups sit ups anything that's body way you can do. Every day it's not like lifting weights you're lifting if your football player in your bench press and one and a half times your body weight. You don't do that you do that. You have to have recovery time but if you're doing push ups and sit ups and body squats and that kind of thing you can do those daily because you're not exerting extra you don't think on Xtra Way and I remember that from boot camp and went to boot camp and like nineteen eighty six and we were probably doing three or four hundred push ups a day every day for weeks. So you can. You can do that. You know challenge yourself look online for a push challenge squad challenge plight challenge lots of stuff incorporate that it will help you with you riding. It'll get your stronger. Be More state owned by that sort of a challenge for everything absolutely. Here's the challenge. Mines the eating challenge. I want to go to Agni Worcester down in New Orleans and for the record of most restrictions in one hour. But the problem is if you lose you have to pay for it one eight. That's pretty expensive proposition. Out among royal it's GonNa take. I'm just thinking I'm just going to take a nap after that many oysters. But we're going to try to do this every two weeks. No probably off a day or two from our last episode When you hear the segment with with Calvin and I we talk a lot about our friend Jake Presley. This is more of a lead into the next episode. Jake is a friend who who rides with this Chris. Chris cow son on a mountain bike team. Jake and his family suffered a fire at their house in Clinton Mississippi in the wee hours of Saturday morning and Jake's wife Britney and their six children perished in the fire in Jake was the only one that survived. He's in ICU. With second degree burns over most of his body and there are in our show notes. We have links to where you can help go fund me or or a tribute to their church directly but Kevin. I talked a little bit more extensively but Chris is a teammate and cost a lot of time with J. So start about Jake and some of your experiences jet yeah awesome. You never saw him by herself with either one or all the kids whoever they were when we would ride with him pretty much every Sunday afternoon for the skills class and then every Monday night their spin class at my school revolution of which they're doing right now. Chris said his bike up. And all that before I came over here and it was pretty sad after. Not just not when they were just there. Last week rife including jet. He would get a trainer to yeah. It's been devastating for our our cycling community. We all do and enjoy their company February the tenth and about seven. Pm Central and the go fund me. Their goal is one hundred and at the time. We're doing this taping. It was just over seventy dollars. Yes so we're grateful to anybody and everybody who have contributed. If y'all feel compelled you'll see go fund me links and that sort of thing and Calvin. I tackled more than any other episode. So we'll be back in about two weeks. It'll be the three this time and hopefully have some better news and we'll talk about some of our training. Some of the stuff we done and hopefully will have a product to to spotlight us more. And hopefully we've lost our way. So stay tuned Yasser Much for listening. Thanks for listening everybody. We appreciate you coming by. Be sure to check out our show for links next happy trails.

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ERP Winter Edition

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

31:06 min | 2 years ago

ERP Winter Edition

"I know you're pissed a lot of background noise. We are revolution and <hes> kelvin fixing to start the the true beginning of the podcasting in the winter edition r._j. Buddy welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you with limited or no commercial interruptions live and direct correct from our beautiful home in gluckstein mississippi. Would your hosts those festive fashion forward fully formed friends the holly jelly shop local by golly do hello the quarter ton of writing fund jimbo rallied and kelvin jones taking away boys. Hey jimbo rayleigh. I'm with kelvin jones and we are reviving or pumping air into the girds me ride podcasts. We've been gone a little bit. We'll go into that in just a minute but <hes> calvin what's up in the chilly chilly chilly sound. I'm sorry were you again. I'm jimbo rayleigh podcast. All yes bad yeah. The encouragement right podcast have forgot all about that how you been doing. I've been doing good man doing good yeah. Welcome to the winter edition of the encouragement ride. We're going to encourage you to get through the winter tonight. Well we're going to you know for you. Who likes for for you guys. You'd like to ride in the wintertime or like a ride in the dark now that the time has changed. We're going to go through some helpful hints. Talk a little bit about what you should wear. <hes> maybe some safety features like headlamps and that sort of stuff and just be careful. That's the that's the main thing and that's it. Yeah we are just a couple of days away from christmas this must oh and so i just want to local shat out to the to your local bike shops during the winter months the local bike shops. You do not have a lot of business because most people ride during the summer. They get their bikes done. During the summer and the local bike shops really appreciate as some local purchases for some stocking stuffers i'm looking at a wall of swift wick beautiful socks and shoes over there and various various things that you can buy for your cycling friends because you know we all know that you're not going to get really cool biking thing from your lame o employees who drew you for the secret saying this year. You're probably going to get some kind of thing of like popcorn or something like that. No offense to somebody who owns a popcorn competent well just as a okay thank you we are recording at bicycle revolution revolution at exit one twelve gluckstein mississippi. They're open to six most night and check them out it on their own website in on facebook. They've got some great stuff or the cyclist including new bikes helmets seats <hes> we've got an interesting little <hes> and products spotlight that kelvin's talk about a little while we're to keep your little your little fingers and toes when you're writing now again. You know for those of you that that are are familiar with our podcast. This podcast is for beginners and we are broadcasting from beautiful downtown. Gluck stat mississippi now that mississippi mississippi is in the deep south and so our winters are may not be as harsh where you might be living with twelve feet of snow or something so you might not be wanting wanting to go out and ride in the winter but here we still doing some writing <hes> weary are probably we did have some cold fronts but i think for the most part we're averaging a high in the fifties low sixties <hes> we are eighteen inches over with the amount of precipitation that we normally have this year so it's been a wet all that's rain. Rain is precipitation. Those free sip tastes. Ya you know so we are still writing outside and it may not be. It's something that you can do based upon your severe weather temperatures that you live in but i do know people from all over the world that will ride regardless of what the temperature is outside. <hes> jimbo would what do we got here. Let's say that <hes> we are wanting to still trying to keep our fitness level and are actively level going. We've moved from the summer to the fall. All the cool temperatures are coming in. How do we wanna start dressing to get outside. You know in the wintertime. Most people will slow down a little bit. You're out of the village fast asses you can as long as you came mode so now it's kind of building up. Maybe your speed your strength and just enjoying the rides because you're gonna be a little more bulky this time of year win all the time all the time so with the extra clothes so the writing season really starts in the fall when the sun starts is going down a little bit earlier the first couple of leaves start falling off the trees. It's gonna it's gonna cool off in for us. Cool off is about seventy degrees so when you're doing fifteen eighteen miles an hour in seventy degree weather you gotta take into account. You're creating your own wind chill so you're going to be in the fifty five to fifty see degree weather on your bike so you're gonna start wearing. Maybe warmer hatch. You're gonna wear arm warmers leg warmers. Maybe need warmer. Toe caps show us. She's the first thing is your feet. Get cold your toes. Get code and so and make these little things that you can slide over the ends of your cycling shoes corleto caps. That are really meet if you we'll have coal titties. I've got some that a little thicker and they're not going to keep your feet warm but they'll keep them less cold just like a better term it just kind of keeps. The wind and out of my shoes have a little bit of mash breathable and it just limits the amount of airflow going into the shape and it just maintains a more constant temperature in tom. Also we're learning thicker socks. Yeah i have some good wool socks that i like to wear during the wintertime and then it starts getting a little colder for those of you that may be up north listening to this and already got cold probably in november but for those of you that where it gets a little colder then you wanna start incorporating. Maybe some pants some good jogging pants something. That's not to lose that get caught in the chains. I have a nice pair of running tights that i wear when i used to run and train for marathons i i use those and put those over my bibs or my cycling shorts and they were wonderful tight they'd have very little wind resistance and their warm off aw so good pair of running tight or something like that to wear over your cycling pants would be good and then <hes> one thing that i discovered is jimbo can attest test when you wear it. You gotta be careful and be pretty selective edge as your jacket because one time i was out and i was wearing a jacket and what happened jim though he swelled up like the michelin. There's one man hennessy yellow mission lang going down the road and it was not so much he was buffalo. The michelin man he was a sale. He was a big yellow sale. Yeah and i was struggling. It felt like i was actually you've seen those people training when they run with a parachute. I felt like i was biking parachute and our and i was doing double the work i i literally ride and literally a just a just practice shirted cheered it so if you if you wear jacket and make sure that it is designed for cycling cycling that it is warm fitting that it does not have a lot of given and stuff like that and that you can zip it up all the way even if you're gonna. You're gonna ride. All the way unzip zipped up sway against as you don't want to the extra now. I've actually got a winner writing bill long pants. They're like your regular writing cycle but they've got the the seat cushion the whole nine yards and they have a special coating on the fought over thighs. That helped went also remember larry use light. You're going hiking or doing any physical activity. You're going to sweat in when you're cycling. You're you're gonna sweat all the time so make sure you wear something that wakes up the skin. Maybe something over the top of that and then you start putting your warmer layers over the top over that so so when i ride i usually have just a regular wyking. I told an undershirt and i put a cotton shirt over the top of it. You're gonna put my cycling jersey from they're you're put on my riding jacket or jacket that is designed for winter cycling. It's very thin works great in ridden temperatures as low as thirty thirty degrees and pretty warm and also for your hands. I wear a very thin pair of gloves to protect my hand my fingers and then on top of that i wear a second pair of gloves loves. It has a detachable finger like a mitten. You have these gloves that you can actually peel back in velcro that if you're not having to shift gears with your fingers or anything you can just hop that little mitton dawn cadillac to- cover and protect the ends of your fingers which is always good. Not life is getting me some of those for christmas. Okay and there are plenty. I'm not going to recommend one or another but there are lots of winter riding gloves that right there on the market. If you're going to do some comparison there's pencil it in gortex may not be raining when you start but maybe rain and snow is wet too so those of you that my right in the snow look. I am not one of them but if you ride in the snow snow is made of what wa wa though yeah gortex will be something that would be good in water repellent. Another thing that i like to ride on is is something that kind of sounds greek. I keep wanting to say bach lava desert yeah yeah yeah but i think it's called bala cava. It's one of those hoods food's it kind of looks like if you're ready to rob a bank that you would put on in cover your face with <hes> but those work wonders for your under your helmet and protect your face pretty good as well. I can tell you when you have one of those. Whatever thank rubber masks when you put your cycling glasses on your ever yunos. Stay pretty on added. Protect your ears to protect your ears and your ears your fingers and your toes user probably the the three things the most that's going to be affected by the coldest unit and speaking of your toes in your hands and your fingers <hes> we'll just ease on into product attic spotlight head. I'm sure you have the bulk of our some. People don't like to wear those. If you wear a macabre comma i also have a fan dan little skullcap that aware if it's not super duper cold but i don't want the <hes> the heat released from ahead so make sure you protect your head hands feet nose nose and ears so the other thing that you have to do in the wintertime probably a little more than you do in the summertime is the bike maintenance side of it because it's that's where you're going to be picking up a lot more stuff on your chains and gears and in whatnot that you're going to get a little dirtier believe or not in the wintertime are in the the summertime because of all the moisture and the gunk that builds up jimbo the last right i did i look at my bike and it looked like i had ran it through mud puddles and i really had i was on the road road picked up so much trash that i could not let that go actually take it home and wash it. Even though i just washed i had to wash it again because you don't want all all that stuff to sit through the winner on your bike. Even if you're not going to ride through the winter you definitely need to clean your bike and give it a very thorough inspection for the winter. It's just the same as maintenance. It's anything else like they always tell you like. If you're putting up your lawn mower for the season you want to empty the gas. You want to change the oil. You want to do all this. You want shopping opn ablaze blah blah blah blah blah same thing that he bike. If your bike is an investment it costs money you wanna make sure you get the most out of your investment so you want to look it over with a fine tooth comb home. Make sure that everything's good. It's nice and clean chain is nice and clean and oiled up and you just got to do that more. In the winter months. Now we were talking to the owners of bicycle revolution here in beautiful downtown looks at mississippi and they were talking about mountain bikes and talking about how you need to bring them in during the winter and have your shocks inspected inspected a lot of times and this makes perfect sense. It's almost like when you're going up and down with a shock absorber and you've got all this grit and grime from the road and from the dirt and from the gravel you're you're just wearing away the parts and the seals inside of the front fork so they call it a fork inspection work yourself go for yourself and so when the fork inspection usually about he said usually averages depending on what they need to be done somewhere between maybe sixty to one hundred twenty bucks. I think depending on how how bad the damage is always a good thing to have them. Take that apart look at it off and clearly change the seals everything else that goes with everything else. I mean if you you riding a bike. That's a little older. You put a lot of miles in it. You got you put it. You know you put some chain. Chain wear on handlebar tape is sweating all over the place in the summer. Now's is a good time to give your local bike shop a chance to work on your stuff and help them make it through the winter months because these are very slow time for the bike shops and so if you wanna have your local bike shop remain open you need to visit him purchase things and have them work on your bike and this is now the perfect opportunity and the perfect time for you to have them inspect your bike during the winter and make any changes or repairs that you need for when you get ready for the spring and the summer i wrote as you get a lot of wear and tear and you get a lot of stuff that happens during the summertime but if you're gonna ride in the fall in the winter you have to be more particular abacha mates because it's wetter if you notice your car driver white car. My car is kind of a grayish black because of all the rain the road grime oils coming off and that stuff away at your frames laid off at your finishes so more so than and it will in the summertime because unless right yeah now coming up in our show. We're gonna be talking to a friend of ours named jason share. He's going to be telling you about gravel. Bikes and gravel bikes are a good it alternative ride in the fall in the winter as well. We'll be talking about that in just a few minutes. <hes> another thing that we do that i personally do. Is that <hes> we've had so much rain. I haven't had a chance to get my bike out to ride so i have a local gym. That has spent bikes now. Do i really want to get up at four thirty or five o'clock in the morning to make a spin class. The answer is in. Oh no so another thing that you can look at is you can go to your if you have an iphone or whatever you can go to <hes> ah tunes and you know how you buy an album <hes> say prince or <hes> def leppard. I'm aging aging myself. The beatles yeah you you can actually buy cycling spin class. I have got one called the spin coach it is an hour and five minutes long and basically i just go to the gym and my time at my convenience i poppy and my headsets. I connected to bluetooth or whatever plugged in i pop on the spin coach and i do an hour long long spin class with a guy yelling in my ear and i try to do that about three times a week because you know during the winter your fitness level is going to decline because you're not writing as much and you're like quarter undertone of writing fund with us. You're going to like eat during thanksgiving and christmas and so i'm already knowing that i'm about to go through the gamut. When i go see my mother and my family and my house for christmas eve and then we're gonna drive up and see my family's my wife's family in kentucky for the entire week and my mother-in-law cooks like paula deen so you know i'm gonna come back. Doc about ten pounds fatter plus. My wife been making homemade snicker doodle cookies and homemade fruitcake. That's been soaked in bourbon since thanksgiving. I'll be making chocolate candies over the weekend and smoking turkeys. Yeah yeah see so you know that the calories are going to be coming in eggnog parties christmas parties office parties hardy's the calories are going to be coming in. I don't know why when you have a party that everything is made out of cream cheese base which is very dense in caloric but anyway so you're gonna have all that so. You're gonna need to really if you're not already strict watching your caloric intake and least do like we do and try to do a spin class an hour a day like like i do <hes> i. I try to do it at least three times a week. If the weather is bad and it's an hour long so that's about the equivalent of doing somewhere between eighteen the twenty miles on a road bike go to tunes and just type in spin class and see which one itchy best. I'm right now working on one that is he'll climb time spin class. It's tough but i tell you what when i got back on my road bike. I noticed a big difference on. It was much easier to ride because i've been doing that class and i hadn't been lolly gagging added. I've been doing exactly how he told me to do it. Where i mean i was leaving just puddles of sweat okay well. The next segment is going to be jason sheer. We're going to link all adjacent jason stuff to it and kelvin did the interview with jason in hope you enjoyed <hes> gravel writing something that's new to both calvin and i and if you're you're in the tri state area which is actually five state area mississippi louisiana arkansas tennessee alabama. This might be something that you might be interested and he's gonna talk a little bit about their gravel cup series in they have a beginner segment so it's a little twenty five miles so it's december going into the january so if you're interested in setting some goals this might be something to <hes> to look at so right after this break. We're going to send it today. Okay man so we're coming back here. Bicycle revolution in gluckstein mississippi and we got a special guest with us right now jason sheer jason. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. Listen if i know that you've got a background in sales but you also have a passion for gravel biking guys <hes> jason sheer founder of mississippi growl cupper <hes> getting ready to roll into our second year putting on four races so we're pretty excited so tell us a little bit about wine gravel what why grabble if i'm if i'm rand new writer and i'm looking at should i go to mountain bike road bike. Should i go to beach cruisers and then i'm hearing all this stuff about gravel. Oh by it. What would you tell me so. I i've been a cyclist for a while and i have a lot of bikes and my favorite mic drop by okay primarily because i can and do almost anything on that bike not it it you know what is a gravel by <hes>. It looks like a road bike has dropped bars a road bike but it has wider tires tires like a mountain by one thing that one reason i believe gravel cycling is so beginner friendly because is it takes the intimidation out of it. What do you mean by intimidation. Oh i mean everybody anybody who has you know tried to get into cycling has gotten into cycling that first time when you go to a group and everybody looks really fast. They are all wearing spandex a lot better than you are as s s. pretty intimidating in on the flip side you go to a mountain bike ride and you got this biker in the woods. There's all these trees obstacles in roots and that's intimidating road from it from a skill standpoint. I'm so we we believe that gravel is kind of the perfect in between got and now we're down in mississippi and we do have a lot of access to gravel road. Would you say that grab. A rose are busy with cars. How many cars ars on average ride with mine and on an average drive. We're riding outside of town like one of our favorite places to go up in been tonia which is a tiny little blues this town about thirty or forty five minutes north jackson when you're on those gravel roads. It'd be lucky to see two or three cars. What kind of hazards do you. It's the app there and grab a bike rose biggest hazard. You gotta bottles. We live in mississippi so they're models everywhere not even on even on the roads okay all right and then the grabbing one of these things that you can do in the winter as well absolutely. I personally prefer to ride gravel in the winter not much dust. Perhaps not in the dust is knocked down because a little a little more wet <hes> but you're going a lot slower on gravel than you are so kind of cold wind coming. I'm an across a little bit more manageable. When you're going you know ten or twelve miles an hour versus fifteen or sixteen on the road okay and we're talking about road bikes likes you. You're mentioning mountain bikes. You have to have a lot of skill going in and out around stomps and trees and everything like that and then road bikes you have the intimidation factor people go in twenty twenty five miles an hour. Uh what's an average speed for gravel and i'd say you never speed on gravel or a beginner will be around ten to thirteen miles an hour. That's that's pretty good pace. That's a beginner pace right there. Isn't it now i i've always heard and i don't tell me i'm wrong. They save for every mile you ride gravel is the equivalent to two miles on a road bike so so if you ride fifteen miles of gravel it's doing a thirty mile. Ride is at mont right. That's probably about right depending on the conditions. One thing another thing that's nice about riding on gravel in the winner is because the roads are a little more wet all that dust and gravel in so those gravel roads it sometimes really aren't even gravel dirt road ardor at rosedale run on how yesterday packed up a little bit and that sounds like. Is there anything else about gravel all that we need to think about that save. I'm a brand new rider. What what else am i missing. One of the best things about gravel online is the community ascott on almost every gravel ride people show up early. They'll be joking. They'll be having a good time and then afterwards they get in their cars ars and go home. People sit around and talk and get to know each other maybe craft beers and cooler brand new lawn chair exactly they sit down on the porch some sweet team yeah and even in our quote unquote race series <hes> we have competitive distances fifty and one hundred miles which is quite a lot on gravel <hes> but we also have a much more of like a beginner family friendly friendly <hes> twenty-five mile ride that is leading swept so you're not gonna get left behind those of us like the two big ones here the two tons of writing pigs we would be in the twenty five mile right starting out and last year last year. We had an awesome showing the twenty five mile distances and broke probably probably our biggest ambassador of beginner growl riding last year was selena schwarzenegger shout out to salina salina exceeded. All three of the races that we had last year on the twenty five mile distance was a real chance okay so just a couple more things before we let you go you had mentioned that oh you just got through doing a radio talk show done in new orleans. You wanna talk about that and we can <hes> get that link absolutely linked to that show. I went down and interviewed with a janaka who runs a bike talk radio every tuesday night at seven o'clock mon- mondeo h._i._v. We talk for an hour and it was the fastest hour i've ever sat down for just about all things gravel. Okay not interrupt you so if i've got a tune in radio app or something like that i want to look for w. H. i. v. out of new orleans and every tuesday night at what time every tuesday night at seven it's seven o'clock and so you talked about all things what we talked about. All things drought okay all right well good deal and then the final thing i wanted to talk to you about was what kind of upcoming events you kept talking about. The gravel companies races in these long distance things. What have you got coming up. Why off the top of your head just at the turn of the year so starting in january okay we have the beginning of our grabble cup series <hes> so the first race is in oxford on january twelve oxford mississippi mississippi <hes> <hes> second race is january twenty six in hattiesburg mississippi so we go from old miss to southern miss miss southern okay and then back up the starkville the backup to starkville mississippi staying exactly okay if he stayed <hes> and the the first week in february and then the finally is in the historic town of antonia mississippi on february twenty third so if you guys are interested in that <hes> the website is m. s. m._s. gravel cub dot com and we'll posted a link to that in the website fantast jason. It's been a pleasure talking with you today. My friend and oh be sure to be shirt. If anybody has any questions about gravel can are you. Is there a email address or anything. Do you answer that gravel dot com. You can just ping us on facebook or on that website. She is a message and i can answer any question that you have a background perfect. Thank you very very much man. Okay so thanks jason for that wonderful interview and hopefully everybody'll start having a little second thought about gravel bikes. I know i will. I don't have a job i personally but i took the mountain bike tires off my mountain bike input gravel tires on them which does lighten the wait a little bit so he said that would be camonte lightweight to be able to ride gravel so we're gonna take a quick break and then after the quick break kelvin is going to do product spotlight. We'll be right back doc with these two inspectors to pump up some more than i don't do on hand to burn. Uh on this to opt opt okay so we were talking about before i so rudely tried to interrupt <hes> jimbo earlier. We were talking about fingers hands and toes and feet and trying to ride and i tell you if you've ever ridden in cold weather. The most that i can stand is usually around thirty six to thirty eight degrees fahrenheit anything come to the net and i just can't do it because i honestly. I cannot feel my toes so there's been a new thing. I don't know if it's necessarily new but there's been a new thing that's come on the market that people swear by and talking to our local bike shop they carry it. It's called imbros location e. M. b. r. o. c. a. t. i o. N. in rotation so you might want to do we're being searched for that or go to amazon type in invocation and look at some of the products basically it's kind of icy hot you rub it on your toes and your in your hands and your fingers and your calves and your thighs and it's water activated so when you start to sweat a perspire underneath your clothes in actually warming up when it warms up. It's actually something that's helpful a lotta people. Tell me that they when they get through the ride. Everything is freezing except where they applied five this stuff so this is abc yet to try it because it hasn't got cold enough here but i'm i've got a stick of it in my hand. I'm looking at it and it's called enso's imbros stick. It's actually a sticker like a role on that you use instead of a jail but there's various types of applications that you can use but just basically if you're interested in putting some of this stuff on your fingers and toes and your feet in your hands and other places not in not down in the nether region and not near your is obviously but the people that here at the bike shop they swear by it. They love it and this is something new that i'm looking forward to trying jimbo what you think about it well. I'm going to give it a shot. I grew up in the age of atomic gone. Tom icy icy hot. That sort of thing and those are very greasy. <hes> we open this up and take a look at it very greasy and it smells good. It's aluminium type smell kind of smelly pleasant. It's a cross between a worms. Julius and i'll take and ars julius vin gay and i rub it on your legs. The weather in the south is getting older. It's been a little better this year. We've got some and maybe some decent riding weather this weekend. How's it going to be in the forties so with the wind chill will go probably arrived in about the high twenties low thirty so the big time to give stuff stuff a real tribe but we've got great reviews. We've got other cyclists that have used it and said this is a must have during the winter and in our next couple of episodes. We'll do actually a product review of it. We'll tell you how it was absolutely okay so we're gonna finish with r._a._m. Ride encouraging word and today is encouraging. Worry is going to be from mother. Teresa mother teresa's said do things for people not because of who they are or what they do in return but because of who you are you're so do things because of for other people because of who you are not what you expect from somebody i tell you. What can you imagine the world if we all took this to heart. If we actually sacrificed did what we did for others <hes> as kind of like the golden rule is under them so let me read that again for mother theresa mother theresa said do things for people not because of who they are what they do in return but because of who you are so take that to heart have a wonderful christmas look for opportunities to bless others less fortunate than you. If you have a lot. Please give out of your bundles. If you have a little give what you can out of your heart and we're going to leave you with that made a christmas happy kwanzaa happy hanukkah happy holidays and the festivus for the rest of us and here's two wonderful and exciting two thousand nineteen in these festivals. It is time for feats of strength. Thanks everybody for tuning in this sure to subscribe for all the latest news updates like us on facebook at the encouragement ride and follow along on twitter at encourage writing remember ride safely and always wear your linke's. We apologize north american balaclava association and their friends. The families companies in the mirror may be closer than you think vonleh club blah blah club from bollock lovely yeah yeah.

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Special Guest Keith Comish

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

19:37 min | 2 years ago

Special Guest Keith Comish

"We're going live live. This jimbo rayleigh with kelvin jones and special guest keeps commish. Commish steals steals graded us. They'll screwed it up but we're actually in the parking. Lot of germantown is go because this is where we do our thursday night encouragement ride live on in studio sit. We are good to go so we haven't been around a little bit. I travel i talk. We've talked about that a good bit that i travel john. We are scheduled to having matched up so we're going to be a little more consistent over the next couple of weeks but what's the first thing we'll talk about the day calvo. Oh man. I tell tell you what it has been an interesting time. I don't know how it is with. Everybody getting geared up to cycle around the country. I know in places like boston. It's it's a high a of like sixties and seventies right now. It's perfect weather to get out in the in get out in the <hes> in the elements and ride a california everywhere you you know just now starting to get off the trainers and everything like that and going out for real ride so kudos to you have to finish your cinders your notes and see tell us how your arise going down here. We've been writing <hes> pretty much. Since february march in it's starting to heat up today was the high today like ninety two in the the parking lot eighties eighty nine degrees five thirty central standard time eighty nine degrees and still in may. That's a veritable cool front down here in mississippi so i tell you what i've already started sweating and i hadn't even and that's just because of the humidity and do point <hes> so yeah. This is <hes> this is what we have to deal with in the south but <hes> yeah so we got a friend of ours as a writer here with us keith and he's actually a physical therapist and we're going to talk a little bit later on about some stretching team for cyclists. That's always a good thing that we want to always encourage you to be healthy and <hes> another thing we wanna talk about. Was maybe some nutrition. What about you. Well yeah keith. Tell us kind of how you got started. I think you're triathlete. Is that correct. No i'm just a cyclist. I've started cycling just a cyclist. I started cycling fling probably thirty years ago i guess just how old are you before in watching on t._v. Maybe i remember that interesting n._b._c. From one to two on saturday and it was very very rainy the <hes> color you can even tell the jersey was actually yellow guys you have to i if you can picture us. You know the quarter tone of writing fun. We've we've got like two fifty to seventy sitting in the front seat and then buck and a half black he's back here is probably a hundred pounds deliver more the new man. I'm sorry go my saddle pants way more than he did. Actually my credentials arm a physical therapist assistant <music> athletic trainer. I've been so for about twenty two years now. Okay <hes> what's the difference between a p._t._a. And all of that p._t.'s the biggest differences i cannot evaluate patient the first time in a turn your wrist and say her twenty that you just don't do that right. It's oddly enough as an athlete trainer. I do sure kind of a catch twenty two yeah to the irony there. I'm an athlete so keith. <hes> you know so you know i always did marathons back in two thousand and two thousand house and seventy thousand and eight i became very familiar with plantar fasciitis very familiar with the performance muscle in my buttocks region and even when i do long rides though still come back to haunt me not my foot so much plantar fasciitis but the performance most austere feel like i got a little tennis balls up in their there <hes> after i get off a ride and everything else and that's what i was telling you earlier that i stretch about you know. Try to stretch those out as much as i can't. <hes> why don't you tell us a little bit about what some good stretches stretches for cyclists are and what the performance is and anything else that you think you might encounter on <hes> riding a bicycle most of the time the peerformance this is a very very small muscle at very deep in the in the but <hes> so the best way to stretch it basically as almost like a figure four where if it's bothering you say on your right side and you take your right knee and bring it up toward the left shore. That's a very good way to stretch the performance. Uh basically anywhere you are <hes> especially after rioting and let me stop right there. The best time to stretch is after an activity activity when your body is good warmed up right ways like you know if you put if you wanna pour syrup bottle you don't put it in in the refrigerator straighter port after it's cold. You warm gops maria. Hey corner time we all about some go to cracker barrel hot and come on. I'm orton but other things that cyclists have lower back pain a lot of times. I'm being in that position that arab positions such a long time and you can work your way up the spine minded in the shoulders get tight the mid back at cypher the threat and all of that so the best way to stretch those types of things is basically you. You know what position you're in. We cycle. You reversed that to stretch so here in the in the aero position cycle you i want to do what's called prone. Excuse me brass up easy for me to say right is that like cobra in yogurt exactly similar cobra and like a hyperextension laid out on your stomach and push yourself up. Leave your pelvis on the floor the bad whenever you're on push up using almost like a push physician <music> but leaving your pelvis down so you're you're you're taking it back from where you're normally would be. That's a good idea. All i've been doing other do things other ways to stretch out. The cervical thoracic spine would be a good phone roller technically. I was just gonna ask what what do you recommend is like doing foam and those kind of just laying down on top of a foam roller and doing almost like a in yoga. I would <hes> what position called. I'm not a baby yoga person <hes> and your hand over your your son dolled or something like saying moore your favorite position as the dead pos. That's all after it's over chevy fatal. Take your all your yoga instructor. Exactly <hes> <hes> you wanna take your hands up over your head so down on top of the roller and just take your hands up over your head just time to mobilize your your rask's mind as much as possible and so those rollers are really good too for your legs to i've seen people sitting now sitting down just kind of rolling their legs over them exactly sitting on them actually enrolling back and forth. That's work when i try. It's hard. It's really hard foam roller but i've got one of these things with handles that you cannot muster roller a stick stick. Yeah i've done that. The foam roller works really well. You want to do a lot of rotational type stuff just to aid in when you're trying to look back checking your for your shoulder for traffic in touch. I wanna keep you cervical spine neck also yeah. That's what i find too. Sometimes it's when i turn around and look or whatever i find that little founded little grinding or or stiffness my because i've kept it in the same position the whole time okay well good hamstring stretch bend over grabbing your ankles oddly enough every night when after tron ridden or every time after i read when i get home take a shower i do a little hamstring straightened shower to replace him and the two yeah i mean you kill two birds with one stone yeah so keith. I know that <hes> you know a lot of people listening to is they. They may have a hard time picturing these things what would be a good resource like an internet site or something with pictures or videos where they could. Maybe find something about about these stretches for beginners you want to. I'm trying to think of what one would be off the top of my head. There's a couple of guys that you want to edit this out. We can edit this out recording. Our podcast does lead you. There's just started. This is a good resource for that'd be a good resource to find either videos or website that would teach some of our listeners about good stretching for psychol- yeah some good reputable websites are mayoclinic has good website out there <hes> <hes> another one is web. M._d. has good website. <hes> that has good information especially. If you have any other medical questions buzzer those are very good <hes> as our stretching the apa <hes> american physical therapists association and the im- the impeded me that mississippi or the national athletic trainers association have to bid website out there and they they could have some good information networks. Okay say those <hes> say those again abt apple paul tom tom apple p._t._a. Dot com american physical therapists association and is it dot com dot org. I think it's either way the death and the innate ta all right so nancy. Tom apple okay for the national national athletic trainers association and they all have links to different stretching or websites very good. We're not combine on something else. Okay i've been i've been writing for i mean i guess you have thirty years. I was on b._m._x. Bikes now road mountain biking college you ride with us and we've we've been together for several for years for some of the new people. What are some of the common mistakes that you've witnessed because we've talked about other kinds of mistakes about not being vocal. Let people know you're on the aside. That's sort of what are some of the the just common mistake. She see with some new riders. One big thing is as far boris body position in such is a lot of people locked their elbows other writing and it's really really bad because your elbow in a psych for cyclists. That's a shockabsorber so you should leave a little bendon and the death grip of the hand relax the more you become inefficient if you're if you're grabbing having onto the handlebars too much especially a lot in when when they're climbing a hill for the first time what down on the handlebars that you're not relaxing axeing what patani the italian cyclist big climber very very good climber. He's always always are. He referred to as playing a piano. That's how he wrote. When he was climbing mount he would just kind of drape his hands over the handlebars. That's a very good illustration yeah. I'll play piano or dancing with the bike. You know you don't want to be too forceful at all. <hes> uh-huh it's like dancing with a woman or or if you just don't wanna step on their toes pedals. Yes you do that but you don't want to be too forceful. You wanna relax as much more open toddy just a side note. There is a wonderful for those. Have you have netflix. There's a wonderful documentary on mario fontana. It's kind of <hes> his life and how he died that sort of thing but if you're if you're an avid cyclist and you kinda i want to see the good bad and the ugly about pro cycling. That is a cautionary tale but it's it's. It's worth the watch just pick. The thing thing is mario tiny ways but as much as my left calf. He's a little i tell people all the time. We're like offensive linemen trying to play in a wide receivers world. We're often lyman in your wide receiver. You know that's why. I keep that's why he's always. The only time i see keith on a bike is when he's passing the in drafting into the wind. I just here's his rear wheel spending on. We're just pulling it. All we create on atmosphere. We have our own orbit good deal. Thanks keith appreciate it was is gonna polls okay keith. Thanks so much for those tips. We're gonna take a really short break and then we'll be right back back and we just wanted to <hes> talk just a very brief amount about nutrition. I know a lot of people that wanted to get their body tight. <hes> they're they're. They're they're beach bodies. He's on and all this other stuff so <hes> one thing that i found and you know we're as you know that we're both very big guys but we do lose weight <hes> through the year recycling cycling is a great way to help you lose weight but i can tell you firsthand that you can cycle all you want and you won't lose a pound. If you don't change what goes in your mouth that's eighty. Eighty percent of your body is what goes through your mouth. Twenty percent is exercise. One of the things and there's a lot of fad diets going on i'm not going to i'm not going to go against against or for any diet. I know a lot of people have success with car a low carb diet. I know people who have success with tito diet. Paleo diet all kinds of diet. I mean there's there's a diet known demand in every alphabet but what i will tell you what a lot of people don't realize. Is you have to count your calories or your macro now. What's a macro makro is is a short for macro nutrient in macro nutrient are divided into three categories. Your proteins carbohydrates and you have your fats. All of them are re- central so if you're on a low carb diet. You're not getting your cards if you're on akito diet. You're getting too much fat so there's all kinds of different things but the bottom line is you need to count how how many grams of protein in everything that you eat come and how many carbs <hes> grams of carbohydrates that you everything you eat and how many grams of fat <hes> that did you eat now. There's two good website to good apps. That will help you with that number. One is my fitness pal. You can go on youtube and type in you know macronutrients counting on my fitness pal and they will. There's a lot of different videos that are show you how to do it. It's kind of tricky. It's not as easy as the other. The other app is called avatar nutrition avatar like the movie avatar nutrition. It's a ten dollar a month thing. This is what i did. Last year i subscribed to it and it puts it puts in all of your high way b._m._i. All of that and it determines how many <hes> how many grams of protein you need per day ed how many grams of carbohydrates you need per day and how many grams of fat that you need per day and when i did that <hes> consistently and stayed with it i was able to lose almost thirty pounds last year guy so that is in so basically it all boils down to proteins carbs and fats fats and scott to be the right amount each day and they add additional carbs fats and proteins. If you are doing extra work like cycling so you can put certain days at say yes yes. I'm gonna be exerting myself today and they gave you like another twenty five grams of protein fifty grams of cars so it's kinda like weight watchers where you gotta be tedious and counted which which i don't care for but it does help you if you can. If you eat the same things you don't get burnt out on. You can find what you like and you can eat in it. Frees you up to eat anything like i said on example in their website a salad with chicken and all kinds of stuff all on alex really healthy and it was a pitcher in pitcher right right next to it was a double cheeseburger and they think you think the salad is healthier but when it came down to it with all the salad dressings and croutons and everything it had like fifteen or twenty grams grams of more of carbohydrates than the actual cheeseburger it had less protein than what you needed for the cheeseburger it had more fat in which you got into cheeseburger so but it so the counting your macro will free you up to eat what you want. You just have to make sure that you don't over go over your limit each day in your proteins your carbohydrates fats so check it out avatar nutrition dot com. Maybe we can get one of those people to come talk to one of our future podcast or go to my fitness powell look up youtube videos and how to do it that way which is a little bit more difficult but <hes> check it out and see and let us know if you've had success with it because i know i have personally all right also well. I'm on the seafood diet and the diet. I see what i want to eat and everything with an a. In it like a pizza in a steak and a casserole official forklift operator on my this is awesome. Well look thank you for the the health tip and i just add one thing to it when you first start cycling. You may not lose pounds but you'll lose inches. That's right that's right. I knew to women who didn't lose a pound but they dropped two dress. Is there you go what i'm trying to. I'm trying to drop two dress sizes myself. Okay now. We're gonna finish up with kelvin's encouraging word okay today for all you football lovers <hes>. Today's encouraging word comes from a former coach lou holtz and <hes>. I can't talk like he does with a little. Listen his voice but i will tell you that haven't evans yeah. Thank you <hes> but lula once said motivation determines what you do. The ability is what you're capable of doing. An attitude attitude determines how well you'll do it so think about that again. I'll read it again. Motivation determines what you do. Ability is what you're capable of doing and attitude determines armaments how well you do it so all of you that are getting out on the road for the first time with this good weather around the country. <hes> you know be motivated to get out there. Don't worry about your ability right now. It's your attitude determines. How well you do and so happy. Trails and <hes> have a great day folks. Go out and enjoy this beautiful weather. We're having in if you wait too late. You're going to get yourself in trouble with some heat so get out in the afternoons. Get out ride. Find a group join our join our group and that way we can encourage you through seeing your accomplishments in twitter and facebook and twitter and facebook and we do have a new email address arrest saying courage might ride at g mail so if you'd like to send us something give us a drop us a line the twitter address the twitter address these at in courage ride beautiful beautiful thank you. Let's go for roger.

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ERP004-Riding on a Windy Day and The Gulf South Mountain Bike Series

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

23:38 min | 3 years ago

ERP004-Riding on a Windy Day and The Gulf South Mountain Bike Series

"Welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you live and direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from our home in beautiful gluckstein lockstep mississippi to where you find podcasts with your hosts. The quarter ton of writing fund those cycling good citizens the boy scouts who've never i heard a discouraging word jimbo rarely and kelvin jones remember these two way a quarter of a ton so you don't have to take it away boys so pay welcome back to the encouragement ride podcasts kelvin. How was your lunchtime today. Jimbo honor them frogs here today sadah gray sandwich from bicycle revolutions. We're doing pretty good on having a beater repair and some zaps potato chips and and rueben corny ruben ruben with spicing brown mustard grey poupon with really really tasty. Thanks for asking so well before i got here but we are taping again from revolution or bicycle revolution gluckstein mississippi. They're kind enough to let us steal a table well. We're we're trying to give them more consistent with the podcast so please bear with us and we're going to be kind of every tuesday moving forward so kelvin's going to post on our facebook at their clergy podcast for our mailbag so if you have questions please put them on the facebook page and we'll try to work them into some upcoming shows so the saddlebag. I'm sorry jay sorry about that. It is the saddleback kevin. Tell me kinda. We had an interesting ride. We've had two interesting rides with the extreme green wind and i'm gonna let them tell you tell them about the struggles of being big and being in the wind. I'll tell you it's been very gusty here. <music> now granted. There's a lot of places in the united states right now. They can't even get out and rod because still winter with a lot of snow but here it's spring pollen has exploded voted and it looks like a crop duster. Just let out a whole bunch of yellow powder everywhere but with that with the spring weather comes of some really really gusty winds. We've we've had winds up to seventeen twenty miles an hour in it feels really nice when you're sitting out on the back porch but when you're out on a bicycle you'll have any shelter from rig buildings tree lines or whatever it can be a monster to try to ride against very nice to ride with with it at behind you but turning into the wind is extremely tough so so when you look at it as we're a quarter ton of writing fun. I mean when you're looking at. I'm six two six three two hundred and fifty pounds. I'm a pretty wide guys well as jimbo is and so when when we ride we catch a lot more wind <hes> and it's it's extremely tough and the other day i was just soaking wet to the point. Where i was was exhausted. I had felt like i had written a hundred miles and i'd only done twenty and i'd actually ended up being dehydrated from twenty mile bike ride and it wasn't even one hundred your degrees. It was just that wendy. I helped you with some of the examples that i'm having well. You know some of the research in for doing this <hes> this episode i look at what is the wind coefficient or what does a five ten twenty mile an hour headwind really mean when you're going to do a ten to fifteen and even a twenty mile an hour headwind which we ran into with some gusts. It's the equivalent. If you're riding fifteen miles an hour. You're putting out the effort to ride at twenty five five miles right those of us that are really big. Don't really ride at twenty five miles an hour long sustained period unless we're going downhill for a long way and that's just is great for us but a twenty mile an hour headwind is equivalent to writing up four percent great so that's like almost going out to raise the towards france and in our size in for most people who don't train to ride the wind or ride the hills. It becomes extremely extremely daunting daunting. It's no fun. I kevin godley hydrated so we found on their website called cycling performance tips and we'll put a link to this in the show notes that just kind of gives you some basics and it doesn't matter if you're riding a road bike like we're doing it works anywhere wind is wind and now that we're into the spring. It's it's gonna be windy. All over the country and you can embrace the wind as we say embraced the embrace the suck embrace the suck or you can just put you bike up for a couple of weeks and hopefully it gets better but getting better means getting hotter so that's a whole nother set of challenges so we're just kind of go down the list and i'm gonna jump around around. Actually we're not going to go down the list one of the the best thing one of the easiest tips and kelvin kinda fell prey to it in our narod kind. It did fall prey. It says do not wear a loose fitting jacket. A baggy jacket will act like a parachute. It also flaps laps loudly. It slows you down so in lieu of a jacket where either a tight fitting shirt or kit or where a tighter fitting jacket. I happen to have that day. I had more of a lycra type jacket that was i this and i didn't struggle as much calvin had this big yellow plastic jacket and the wind would hit it it would swell up and he'd like the michelin ma'am bicycle a yellow mission so that's one of the <hes> the first tips tips the next tip is get down that means getting a better riding position and i'll let kelvin kind of talk about what a decent or a lower riding position as when you're writing into to the wind headwind is busting in the face you wanna get a little bit lower if you can you might have a bike that has a straight bar handlebar and you just kind of leaned forward into that that did he have the kindness the kirk draw bars you down into the lower drop position. Keep your back slightly arched with the good thing about it is is one thing that i found founded helped me with. One of these tips is to make sure that you keep your elbows loose and in-inside tucker elbows to your ribs and drop them because i find signed as you're struggling into the wind he sit there and tend to tense up when you tense up guess what when you're up of bodies ten stuff you have a hard time breathing deeply expanding your lungs. The biggest thing to ride into the wind is just to get down and a low position. Relax your elbows. Keep them to your side and remind and remind yourself constantly into <hes>. Just let your shoulders droop a little bit and just relax is it's okay. Your leg's doing all the work. Your shoulders doesn't have to and when you can do that you find that your breathing a little easier in your heart rate stays at a at a minimum pace and this is something i t we ran into yesterday kevin. I did a quick sixteen mile ride. We paid attention to which way the wind is blowing and instead of coming back in the win. We decided to start into the wind while we refresh it was a strong southerly breeze bobby fifteen to twenty money and then we took advantage of the tail wind coming back right and it was much easier to make it through that right absolutely so we we worked a little bit harder. We actually put in for lack of a better determine. Put in some training. We kind of pushed ourselves. A little bit worked a little higher gear just to build up some endurance but we also slowed it down when we have so it was a ton of fun like we kinda hope it would be. It wasn't miserable. One of the things is when we get some really strong wind like when we started into the win what we do. Is we gear down. What do you mean by gearing down a lot of terminology that some of you may not be familiar with well. You look down next to your pedals. You have <hes> you may have a small ring medium ring a big ring mm-hmm or all the above. I use the smaller ring for climbing hills and for going into the wind and helps you head a little faster and easier. We've had to tell when <hes> jimbo we geared up into the big ring and <hes> we were able to get up to speed. I think we had twenty three miles an hour with a tailwind elwin but i especially like the last of bullet point in your in your article here. Jim both keep a good mental attitude. Stay positive win day after day can beat as you down mentally but headwinds actually help improve fitness. There's a saying that you know he'll work. Is hills are speed working disguise when you're running but heels and winder speedwork in disguise for biking as well and you may not go may not be to get faster but it does help improve fitness. I can guarantee you that this has wiped me out riding riding in the wind but i know that i'll come out on the other side of stronger writer absolutely so we're like the newbie guys that are out there ride the cruisers and they're just getting into embrace the wind you got time to do a four or five mile an hour ride and it's a windy day planet out a little bit put some work in because it will pay off and that's what we were talking to some of the folks in our riot saturday. That was just brutal played yeah. We're we're going to benefit from these rides. These type of hard rides in june and july. Where are we'll be in better. Shape will be a little bit lighter so it'd be less pounds on the bicycle but our respiratory auction's going to be a lot easier and we'll be able to handle the heat better because we're putting the work in now. Just don't wear loose fitting jacket like i did or else it angel it like you have a pair sale on absolutely looked like the yellow michelin man and and i should have taken a picture of it and posted it but i wanna make him cry rather be the state of martin stayed. Put the yellow state uh-huh okay true believers now. It's time for expert corner where we can impart some real knowledge. Pay this jimbo rayleigh with the occurs mirai podcast. I am with jeremy poke. Jeremy did a segment forced last week on basic maintenance and had some great feedback so if you haven't listen to the previous episode please go back and do so. We've got some great information on just getting your bike ready. And how did you do some basic maintenance signet's. Keep your chain looped. That sort of thing jeremy is going to talk today. About the gulf south regional mountain bike series he is the president of that organization and they've got races all over mississippi their mountain bike exclusively and he's gonna talk a little bit about the series itself some upcoming events and how you can get involved volved even as a brand new writer germany. How's your day going good jimbo. Thanks for having me well. It's always a pleasure always a pleasure today. I'm gonna cheer what you guys a little bit about our melt migraine series in the gulf south. We have <hes> one two three four five six seven eight nine ten races this year <hes> that are all road. All of these are mountain in bike trails <hes> that we have lineup on and go together. Well no case a raced again. There's a time trial so you you get. You've got different categories. I'm sure you've got different. Categories that are based on experience <hes> so we have a category three he which is a beginner experience race in every category is separated into age groups and most of those age groups are ten ten year age-groups we do combine a couple of age groups <hes> here and there and some of the different categories <hes> but yuck <hes> subcategory three beginners <hes> they'll line up on the line and we have aged nineteen through thirty nine lineup together and that can be ten people that can be twenty people be forty forty. People you know just depends on who shows up with of everybody starts they start at the same time and it's a a sprint it style start you start as hard as you can to get into the woods into the single track in first place. You don't want to get behind somebody if you can't if you don't have to unless you're behind me you can draft but i take up a lot of space on the trail. We we do have for the first time this year a dinner first time racer race so if you've never raced off road in you were a true beginners rider someone like me who likes riding the trails but i've never raced before. We've got an auction this year for gulf sale to do you one time only beginner true beginner race in you will be racin other people that have never raced off road before that sounds cool so it's just a way to break in a little bit and get used to riding and racing on a single track trail where you're racing. Somebody would pretty much the same just a bunch onto novices out there. Then we have different categories category three is beginner category to more of your intermediate to advanced a level and in an <hes> category one is your seasoned racer guys who do this a lot. They invest it yeah yeah they invest they trained and they're in it for the guts and the glory there in in in it or something. It's a just the joy of racing bikes off road as as what i'm gonna for. You're so what i like about. It is the age groups. You know just kind of like folks. Who do five ks. You know they've got the different levels so you can compete at your level in your age group and yeah have a nice barometer of where you kinda stand yup. That's exactly right. That's it's real nice. One of the other things seem well. Tell you just a quick breakdown china. Where our races are this year our first racist coming up this sunday. All of these races are on sunday to give you an opportunity to provide the course on saturday and then race on sunday. Curse race is tough burg at golden eagle trail system in hattiesburg mississippi. The first race starts at eight a._m. And then the category one and two they start at ten. The next race is going to be in biloxi. Mississippi brar are badlands battle on april fifteenth. That's social mississippi's shade just about <hes> our next one will be in lookit. Louisiana may six the kadian class after that we have may twentieth mount zion destined bones offer a real fun trail system down on mount zion brocade area <hes> june twenty fourth estate games at mississippi benita lakes art in iranian september nine is charlotte's rubin at the nazi trail system ackerman mississippi. That's that's the metropolis of akron city you can. Let's see it from space and that's a very <hes> wilderness type trail system. It's out and back. It's big acreage. It's a lot it's a lot of fun. Beautiful trail system <hes> our one bonus points race. We have this year as the september sixteenth sixteenth pining hills classic in lincoln parish park in rust in louisiana. <hes> we have the october seventh hill country revival in in tom biggby state park in tupelo and then october twenty first is the mcgee lung buster at the regional trail system in retail mississippi beautiful trails now ridden myself good at it but i can count the trees. I guess fast way have a makeup race. <hes> due to the spillway scramble <hes> being postponed because the bond carries spillway being opened up in new orleans and that trellis underwater right now through their last weekend drove down to new orleans and our showing my family. This is the bony carrey spill way here on the news and it was a raging torrent for miles. It was actually kind of cool. It's gonna take them mu- life sometime to clean that up and get those trails back to where we can race on that. That area's beautiful. That's kind of the great thing about where these races are. You're there all over the state of mississippi north louisiana south louisiana so you get different terrains and familiar with all these areas. They're just absolutely gorgeous now. Let's say i'm not ready to race but i wanna come. Check things out. What's it like for spectator. What's spectating cross country milk by race a lot. The times is not very good because a lot of places are big acres acreage like them winning knox me. I mean it's it's located thousand acres so you're you're only seeing the person come through you see them start and you seem finish at that trump's assist sure <hes> at the ridgeline trails it is a very compact trail system so you can go to spectator places points of interest and see a racer come through five or six different times during that so all the venues are a little bit different but there are opportunities for spectators if they want to just coming just hang out because i knew the long buster y'all got live music and i know the band they're good guys and they have a ton of fun and i know you have folks at camp during weekend. Yes we do. That's one of the weekends we allow camping. Whenever we're having an event out at the ridge on trails we allow camping the rest of the trail. <unk> systems are on their own as far as son allow camping some places you can camp <hes> but most of them you can so you can just make a whole weekend out on the gist to go and enjoy cycling and if you're if you're a first timer and you want to give it a run you can be part of the action yourself yup experience experience what it's like to be on two wheels in the woods on a piece of single track. That's only two feet wide and people are trying to get around each other so so there bonus points for knocking people down and you can't knock anybody out on purpose on purpose on purpose does does happen on occasion well. It's also nice these areas that they're in <hes> there's plenty of hotels nearby so if you're coming in for the weekend or most of the racers no but if you're if you're coming from out of town and you want to check these out hattiesburg has great hotels the gulf coast has plenty of hotels akron area not real close but you know no more than twenty to thirty minute drive to get to you know name brand hotels. We're not you know stuff way out in the woods but <hes> you know we're you're no more than twenty twenty thirty minutes from a decent hotel and good restaurants and a lot of these places have real campground saw the one in akron as choctaw lake campground. Oh yeah it's beautiful. Beautiful fixed the lake in everything fix the dam and <hes>. It's a beautiful place where it has r._v. Parking the plug ins and all that good stuff too so that's that's the good stuff yea just getting out <hes> because i know my daughter's said they want to camp out at the at the next one but i guess after race to claim spot <hes> tell stories and find you on facebook. Go south regional mountain bike series page is on facebook underneath that title and i'm gonna put that in our <hes> or to put that in our show notes so it'll be a link to that <hes> also if i know this is kind of a regional podcast were basically it's mississippi louisiana but on the u._s._a. A cycling webpage u._s._a. Cycling dot org we'll have a link you can go wendy your respective stakes and pull up different events in your area. I was looking looking just doing a little bit of research on this in for mississippi like we have the natural trae century ride which is not a race but did you sign up for it. They've got goodie bags and like we say on the podcast when you get out riding. It's not a race but if you're inclined to dip your take the competitive pool there's opportunities for you. All over the country for different levels different genre can do road cycling mountain biking cyclocross quick cross grabble. Racing is is coming along nowadays. It's a lotta fun. Low low traffic count on that. Oh absolutely i love the i've been doing some gravel riding backwards and we had a little fun last week. We saw turkeys. We had a herd of cows run alongside of us. It was kind of interesting to <hes> <hes> and not have any traffic. We saw one car the whole time we were out. That's the best thing about riding gravel racing said there aren't anybody there aren't any cars right and i'm gravitating a little bit more towards that. I still love getting out on the road and riding with my buddies but this year i'm going to diversify and <music>. I'm probably going to try this <hes> first time race airedale because i'm fifty two years old. I wish they had them in weight classes. I would really help a lot more because i absolutely absolutely be amid a mega clydesdale. They used to have clive still that. Can they've done clydesdale racist before you have to be over two hundred pounds tinny yeah. I haven't seen to ten since eighth grade so i'm in good shape there but jeremy thank you for giving us all this cool information and we're going to probably try to podcast from one of the races or do a facebook live event and just get out ride and if you have questions check out our show note coach and see if the races thanks see. They're glad to have you all right. Thanks jeremy so appreciate all those good tips. The local rides now as we tie up the end of our show always finish with an encouraging word to our listeners going to go really old school today because this is <hes> at the time of this recording his holy week we just had good friday and this weekend is excuse me we just had the calm sunday and this weekend is good friday and easter so my encouraging were to you today is gonna be <hes> out of the oldest book that i know it's called the bible and his john three sixteen for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in the him shall not perish parish but have everlasting life better encouragement. Can you have to know that you have a god who loves you whose crazy about you and want to relationship would be me and all you have to do is seek his face and have that relationship so that's my urging word as we prepare for easter week and all god's people said rotten rotten helping you okay wraps it up for this week and look you can find us on facebook at the curb at ride podcast. Also if you have questions questions you know share. Please share write a review. We're still waiting for that. I review so if you want to be the first review and i thank you on the verge mariah we'd appreciate take my wife wanted to do it but that'd be kind of cheating when you think yeah so hey find us on facebook. Find us on twitter and the wheels down. Go log some months. Take care. Thanks everyone for joining it. 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"<music> welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you live and direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from our hollman beautiful gluck stat mississippi to wear you find podcasts with your hosts. The quarter ton of writing on those cycling good citizens the boy scouts who never heard a discouraging word jimbo rarely and kelvin jones. Remember friends these to a quarter of a ton so you don't have to take they get away boys. Okay welcome back everybody to the encouragement ride podcast. We are now on the eighth. Episode numbered zero zero seven even today. We're gonna talk about different types of bikes and some excerpts from a video that we posted on our facebook page kelvin. How're you doing brother. Did you say today is episode zero zero seven yes. I'm such a bond freak. I love line from goldfinger and i'll make it bike related. Do you expect pick me to walk. No mr bond. I expect you to ride. Would you like your change's. Sake it or stern change. They can or third horrible horrible. Oh gosh let me some bind. Thank you for the editing software and we got a mistake from our last episode. We had a special so shout out to mr chris williams. Mr chris williams didn't write anything it was charlie williams charge already sorry charlie <hes> but no charlie thank. Thank you again so much for the for the review. We appreciate it. Sorry we screwed up but <hes> chris williams. Y'all was one. You're still doing rubino when abu abby absolutely all right sports fans well. We're gonna talk about different types of bikes today and i'm not talking about the big ones little ones. We're going to talk about different types of bikes that you you have access to in. Some of you may have several these kind as a matter of fact. I'm get two of them and i'll let you all kind of decide which tea you think i've got but we're gonna talk about different types to bike different kinds of writing styles now like in the previous episode like the personalities but different types of things that you might feel comfortable with one size doesn't fit all i'm. I'm sorry to interrupt yeah 'cause jimbo. We ride road bikes and that's kind of like what we talked about. Eighty percent but many of you who may be listening may not be a road by i didn't road bikes may not be for you. You may have a hybrid. You may have a mountain bike whenever we're just gonna briefly talk about that just a minute yeah so we're gonna talk about different types of bikes and you know this kind of like cars. You got big sedans little sedans as she as she you know trucks trucks. That kind of stuff in in bikes can accommodate ciller categories but they usually have two wheels. Some of them have rate some have one but we ride that but but what about just different bikes have on these them out like when i first very very first got back into cycling some eighteen years ago because that's how my daughter is as i bought them out like in a rudder around my neighborhood i used it like a robot but it was just a big heavy track that i still love off to this day but i've gone into some trouble writing and a little bit of gravel righty. We'll talk about specific bikes for that but you know for folks who are in areas is that maybe the traffic's a little heavy in you want to get off the beaten path a little bit and get awesome dirt roads. A mountain bike is wonderful option. I cannot encourage enough then my goal. This year was to three thousand miles over off and eight hundred of those miles. I wanna do off of asphalt why eight hundred just as a number two to have a if you don't have a goal you always in it ain't nothing you'll hit it every time every time and his louis resorts at aim low boys deriving shetland pony missouri so mountain biking road biking. You're my to my to go to and calvin. We'll talk about maybe some hybrids yeah back in about two thousand and nine two thousand and ten when i gave up running believe it or not this big old boy of mine <hes> that you're listening to us to actually do marathons and half marathons and my feet just kind of gave out so i said i've got to get on a bike and take some pressure off my feet. Well i pulled out the old trek. Eric hybrid in a hybrid is kinda like a bike with like a straight handlebars across the honest. Not it can go on the road. If you hit some gravel it can kinda golden gravel or less when they call it a hybrid. It's a mix between the two and <hes> it's a comfort by it's a hybrid comfort bike and i had one of those the first time i went out. I think i took it. Maybe eighty four miles. That was my first ride in like thirty years. Perhaps <hes> but <hes> like i said in earlier thing i felt like i was gonna donate along uh-huh but <hes> i was able to get through that and i fell in love with biking because the four miles that i did. I was under this lush canopy of trees. It was shady so nobody body around going by little horse pasture just a beautiful thing and i just fell in love with nature again and being out on the road by myself and enjoying the sights and the smells <hes> while allows penalty so yeah. I've got a special always have a special place in my heart for the hybrid or the comfort bike and many of you out. There may have one of those that's fine. If that's all you want to do that. That's that's great because i'm all about comfort absolutely and in what's kind of cool is that the <hes> hybrid bike is really good for like family trips. They're they're heavy bikes which means you're going to be fairly stable but they're not so heavy that you can't control says they're going to be easy to go with the wheels or narrow you can go about as fast as you want to go and if you're a you're just going to go back to zero episode zero zero six if you have questions about the gearing and the in the brakes and everything on lease comfort bikes trini bikes that we talked about going back and listen two zero zero six the bite that kelvin i spend most of our time on is that road bike road bike has that classic drop handlebar a bar curl own ver- very thin <hes> some cases very light but it's the wispy frame with the big wheels and funky guys wearing earn tight shorts and or as we call mammals where middle aged men in lycra there you go <hes> yeah so i mean some of these robots can be steel-framed. They can be aluminum menam frame. They can be carbon fiber framed or even. I guess maybe titanium titanium was out there at my favorite bike. I've got an old candidate. That's an old aluminum frame and and got to get got to get back up to road worthiness but absolutely my favorite bike when you start getting into the different road bikes you'd like kevin said you've got different options option steel aluminum fiber titanium certain degree and they all come with different price points <hes> but i will tell you this the heavier the bike the more comfortable the ride when i ride my aluminum bike i feel less but when i'm on that when i'm on my carbon black i can feel every single crackle and it's tough sometimes for or as big boy sometimes awesome bumpy roads <hes> you're. You're getting beat up from the feta. I've had to check make sure my feelings are still in my mouth and then we get into to what we call the rolling couches and these were for our friends that ride the <hes> the recumbent bikes and the pricing some leaves are like little actually they're not little. They're actually very big there long but they're bike statue. Don't traditionally sit in sit on you. Sit in those sites. I called him. No writers me. They are low riders and i kind of laughed. I got a couple of guys go by me in their head comes up to about my hip <hes> to make sure i don't you know squirting water bottle in the wrong direction. You might take somebody yup but these come in two in three will around these trikes and some of the folks that ride with us that ride those had either a back problem or an issue he was sitting in the saddle for long periods of time and this is a great great alternative. They're great on the flats and a great downhill but sometimes had a little trouble going up. I had a friend of mine in who is in the medical field. He wrote a road bike for many many years and then all of a sudden he had some issues with his neck and the his doctor told him that you know one fall off road road biking could be possibly injured for light simply because of the way his neck shape was so that forced him to get off the road bike in all he does now's recumbents and he loves them. A low dosage kind of one of those deals is folks who like you know certain craft beers. You may not like beer but they like to craft beer folks. Who do the recumbent arm. Recumbent guys is and that's fine. They're hard draft sometimes but very great way. If you want to get into cycling not worry about falling far yeah. That's a good one and actually i can't recall the article that i'm talking about now but i did read something somewhere. I promise idea if there's only internet it had to be truth that car can actually actually see a recumbent rider better than they can see an upright writer because your back is more towards the cards that have leaned forward in a in a stance colder yeah so that's more area yeah a little bit more area so now i love that you know they. They shouldn't have a problem senior i because they wonder where <music> omar the tent maker has been well. The next one is kind of the new new bike on the up and coming. It's the hot nothing coming. There's races out there. It's the cyclocross bike and some people use that as a gravel by where people just want to get out and do they'll they'll ride trails on this in a given idea what they look like they look like regular road bike but sometimes little more substantially built and he's got knobby tires yep they got wider thicker tyres with a wider therefore to hold the tires but for the most part ninety percent of the bike resembles a road bike almost to the point you can get your mountain bike out there and do that <hes> with the big mountain on bike tires. You are going to be a little bit slower. We'll take that for every mile that you do on a road bike if you're out there on a mountain bike gravel roads at two miles so if i do ten ten miles on a road bike i felt like i did twenty on the gravel bike but you know that's why they make specific gravel bikes to make that easier but we'll tell you if your gun shy about about being out in traffic gravel bikes are cyclocross. Bikes are the way to go because you don't have a lot of cars not at all not not at all and it is fun to go out there and get lost now. The problem with that is sometimes. He's grabbing rose. Go out in the middle of nowhere so if you have probably better he better make sure somebody who knows where you're at and if you hear banjo music peddle faster fountain brown and the last one we're going to kind of talk about today is going to be the the tandem bikes and the tandem bikes the bicycle built for two and those are becoming more popular we in our area in madison county mississippi. There's actually tandel bike festival of just a few weeks ago and it was a you know all of the united people think they had thirty two state each represented a few countries and is also a wine tasting involved with that long road absolutely <hes> but yeah the tandem bikes are are becoming just as as high falutin as the more modern road bikes and harbert. They gear shifts there. They're made of fibre. They're they're just good good. Good fun stuff in the final. We want to talk about are the cruisers. Oh yeah you may explain these outweigh. If you live near a coast and you go to to the beach fix in fix skis yeah well we the city. The city bikes has what they call fixes. I don't know really what that means but eight years they have fixed years like you don't have you don't have them where they show cruisers. You've probably seen an basket in front of you. See you see jimmy buffet type guy with the with the deep dark tan flipflops <hes> just kind of going about three miles an hour down the sidewalk in front of the beach enjoying life. Sometimes i envy those guys because i have to go back to work but those are cruiser bikes to those good. Those are pretty much work anywhere as well. A lot of us probably started on some sort of a cruiser bike or a b._m._x. Looking looking by back in the old days and they've even got one now called the fat tire bike and i'm not sure what that is. Maybe you guys have north are more familiar with that. I think you've been using that. That's a new up and coming thing for people who ride in the winter in the snow to use those big huge fat tire yeah. We've got some guys around here that haven't they look almost like motorcycle tires but they're extremely light really oh yeah. I'm bouncing the bouncy about about about so all right. Hey look we're gonna come back in just a minute. We're going to do the mail bag inevitably do segment to a now. It's time for from this saturday or the boys. Answer your question do okay before we get in our next segment. We got a question from cincinnati ohio and this is a fairly new rider rider who starting to spend some time on the road and he was talking about safety mirrors. What type of safety mirrors do we use. Which ones do we recommend well. We don't really have they true recommendation level. We'll tell you what we use calvin. What kind do you use. That's a great question from our saddlebag so appreciate that what i use. I use one line that attaches to my sunglasses. You can take off if you go from one pair of sunglasses in the next you can take it off and put it back on the other pair. It's kind of like a clip flip on and it's a small square that goes out in front of your eye. You can actually look just look at that square in see everything. That's going on behind you again. We're not it <hes> manufacturers reps. We don't get compensated for what we endorse it. Yes thank you. I couldn't think of anything there but what i like to use it you can go amazon and its call take a look. Take a look and you understand. What i'm talking about in jimbo could put a link to it in the show notes but it's a very very wonderful little thing because you can look behind. You can see everything that's going on in. Its stay still doesn't shake when you hit a bomb or anything like that. It's very well made. It's about doc fifteen twenty bucks but it's been fifteen or twenty dollar investment that i've ever made now. Some people don't like those things a hanging on the side of their helmet the side of their sunglasses because it just gets it just bothers with their function in their their eyesight. Get balanced. Yeah get out of balance in another people like himbal jim bob. I've got to handle ballmer. It is a leaf shaped it it goes into my drop handle at the curly part of the handle down at the bottom it and it fits on the left side and it just goes into where you're stopper is to keep your candle. Wrap your handball rapid and you can adjust it a little a bit now kind of the problem. I have with that as bombs. Sometimes it tends to move a little bit but it just takes a little bit and when i'm writing and i'm gonna be in the low position. I can this kind of you. Look straight down and see what's going on behind but the bottom line is no matter which one you prefer having a mirror is is a good a safety decision. I don't care what some people say. Some people can be gear snob. You're fashions knobs on a bike and they make fun of the grabbing amir but let me tell you something i would always rather know what's coming up behind me then not and especially if you see a biker about to pass you and he does say anything and it scares you or a car. That may not be changing lanes or something like that. You know what's coming up behind. You and you'll always be aware and it's good to be aware of your surroundings. You know they talk about safety. When you're walking in a strange city about being aware of your surrounding sent me on a bike absolutely so and i was riding this past weekend a little solo thirty miler and i was on some quite roads and cars would come up behind me and i could seem in that mirror and a few of them. I don't know if they didn't see me or not but how's able to slow down and the shami last minute but they they didn't come up on a visa fries and that's a great question question that shows that you're leaking measure safety and getting the most out migrants and thank you for the question which i make sure they're going to be about kevin thank he put up on our facebook page youtube video about some tips for beginning cycles link that to the thing we won't go over all of the the tips but some of the ones that we wanted to talk about with something before you go out and ride one of our previous episodes. We talked about <hes> what you needed to have on you. Buy like a air pump and a spare tired stuff well. One of the biggest tips for war. Beginning cyclists is to make sure that you pump up your tires pretty much about every one to two days. Believe it or not if you go and check the air pressure in your tires after it's been three or four days since you wrote last. You'd be surprised that you're going to lose five or ten pounds of p._s._i. Do it every time yeah so every ride that we jimbo and i go to we've pretty much pump our tires of and it doesn't matter if you're on a cruising bike or mountain bike or whatever on the side of the tires on the car. They're going to have the recommended pressure of your p._s._i. Now for those of you like who are like us are quarter tone of writing fun. One mine is usually between on a road bike is supposed to be between nine thousand nine hundred pounds. When i gain weight i bumped up to about one hundred and five. I write about that one ten to one twenty yeah yeah so there you go so make sure you pump up all your you know both of your tires every time you for ride even if it's you know you may skip a day but no more than one day okay and then the next thing. We want to make sure that you do learn how to fix a flat on the road. It takes too much time and you don't get the idea of us telling you how to do it on this podcast but all you have to do is go to youtube or google and type him how to fix a flat and you can watch all kinds of wonderful wonderful b._d._o.'s on how to actually change a flat tire what you're going to need is. You're going to need some tire levers. You're going to need some spare inner tubes and you're going to need a little hand pomp or zero to pump. We've already talked about and you know always keep a little saddlebag on your on your bike so you can keep these tubes or levers pops. Put him in your cycling pockets on new jersey so so learn how to fix a flat on the road. Make sure that those tires are pumped up and the third thing that i thought really important that they said on that video make sure you get fit for your bike. I don't know so. How many times have you and i are probably seen. Somebody biking where they're sitting there. Seat is way too low in their knees are going up to their chest are way too high and they can't even touch their their. There is yeah so you know taking it to a bike shop to get properly fitted on a bike means the world it really does help and and number one reducing pain and making it easier to pedal you. Don't you try you. She's on you. If you're a size twelve. They feel like if you are size nine yeah yeah i hear you i hear you i'm tracking with that high so another one is <hes> is to you know learn proper riding posture and he talks about relaxed shoulders and and if you've ever gone out i know this has happened to us before we go out on long ride. Sometimes we'll have to take our hands off the handlebars because our hands may be known will some of that is due to because we're not paying mean attention to where our shoulders are. We wanna make sure that our shoulders kind of relax and everything else but when you're trying to ride a little advance pays or going to hewitt he kind of tighten up everything thing and <hes> you realize it's almost like you're doing a shoulder shrug. <hes> sometimes you just have that death grip on the handlebars and the thing that you got to think about is so you've gotta just treat the handlebars like they're a small infants. You just got a handle them gently. It's counterintuitive but you have to relax when you're going up hills or trying to gofundme right right yeah just take take the squeeze off them and speaking of going appeals on this will be the last one that will cover <hes> talking about the cadence of the r._p._m.'s now rbm is basically one revolution when your pedal stroke so if you start with your foot down your rifle now and then you go up in back down. That's one and you know. There's lots of people who says you know to get better and to have an easier ride. Keep your pedal cadence at eighty to one hundred r._p._m. So that's eighty two hundred revolutions of minute well. That's kinda fast. I'm not gonna live <hes> we can do it but it is easier to do especially when you're going up hills or into the wind or anything like that because if you're doing forty or fifty r._p._m.'s that means you're really mashing down on the pedals and you may have it in a lower gear than what you need to be in that just increase your knee pain absolutely and and <hes> in all kinds of fatigue that you don't even have so keep your cadence good gear where you can spin about eighty to one hundred r._p._m. Minute on a flat surface purpose and then worked at eighty two hundred r._p._m. For minute going up hills when you get the chance and a good way to kind of if you wanna know how how many europeans are doing if you've got a computer here on your bike and you can look at the seconds count how many times you go now for six seconds in the multiply that top stent okay very simple. Oh give you your europeans and look hey. You're not gonna get graded. These are just some helpful tips that will help you. Enjoy your biking a whole lot more. That's right i mean we find some of these things swab by google lean and by watching youtube ourselves and when we think to tell people we want to put that on here and then knowledge you to check them out and so we thought this youtube video was there is a little f-bomb in there so we apologize in advance for that but <hes> you know this is a good video for everybody to learn into listen to all right so i think we're robert done right on yeah. What's the encouraging work well. Today's encouraging word comes from an old school some of you younger people may not know who ann landers was but was an landers known for advice and it was called the dear abby the newspaper. We would always read the rabbit good job. Okay get april. Yes oh dear rome so ann landers came up with was really apropos for writing and that's a seventy five cent word you can get change later <hes> that then he said nobody ever drown from their own sweat and i thought that was really really in cool thing because you know <hes> summer's coming. You're going to be sweating a lot. Especially those of us sweat buckets like we said down here but anytime you go for a ride you're not going to just just come back all fresh as a daisy and nobody ever drowned in our own sweat so get out there and see how you can get your clothes this year and go for a ride absolutely hey look fearsome here so starting to get warmer outside and different parts of the country hydrate hydrate hydrate hydrate sunscreen sunscreens again. We don't need little only little things growing honest. Hey thank y'all again so much for listening to us. We appreciate it love to hear from me. Comments reviews what have you but we really would love you to share subscribe you can find us on twitter at the encouraged writing and on facebook at the encouragement right podcast so until next week done a uh james bond seven. Thank you so much. 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ERP006-Bike Parts and Cycling Personalities

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

23:56 min | 3 years ago

ERP006-Bike Parts and Cycling Personalities

"<music> welcome to the encouragement ride podcast brought to you live direct with limited or no commercial interruptions from mar home in beautiful glut stat mississippi to wear you find podcasts with your hosts. The quarter ton of writing fund those cycling good citizens the boy scouts who've never heard a discouraging word jimbo rarely and kelvin jones remember friends these two way of quarter of a ton so you don't have to take it away. Boys this jimbo rayleigh and kelvin jones with the occurs and ride podcast. What could episode zero zero six and we're going to talk today about different parts of your bicycle in different writing personalities which category you fall into calvin. What kind of category you fall in today today well jimbo. I appreciate the chance to sit down and talk with you. Again has been a minute since we did our last podcast. Both you and i've been out of town. We both been sick with all the spring allergies and all the pollen. I accidentally threw my back out and was down for the count for several weeks. I'm just now getting my riding legs back under me. It's just been a hot mess. <hes> since we last in our podcast absolutely absolutely in my travel schedule has taken me the from madison mississippi two mississippi gulf coast north mississippi awaken gatlinburg but don't feel sorry for me for going to gatlinburg and then you do some the mountain climbing on. I did <hes> six miles where the climbing and climbed about one hundred feet per per mile and wanted to crawl underneath a tree tree and help a bare duty. I bet your legs were screaming. I may flat-lander for sure yeah. Yeah i hear you. I hear you well today. You know so one of the things that we wanted to talk about was the other day jimbo you and i were on a ride with some of our beginners and one of them hasn't really was considered a beginner <hes> <hes> he's been writing with this. I think this is third summer yeah third season buddies with not familiar with his bike. He just got a road bike last year and he became very efficient with it. <hes> in this year <hes> he he showed up this year and he's he's quite a lot faster and a little bit more efficient but a one thing was very glaring when we were starting to go up a pretty good sized hail i said okay okay mr beginner <hes>. Let's move over into the. Let's move you chain into the small rings eating do some climbing he goes it is under the small ring and i looked i said no. It's not it's still in the big ring. What's a small ring. You know so that got me to thinking here's a man who's been in writing three seasons with us and he still did not know the difference between a small ring and a big rain so we got to thinking we may be not as basic as we i think we are so what we're going to do is we're going to play the old vince lombardi's back in the sixties where he went to the green bay packers and he said gentlemen. This is a football. This is a football so people this is a mike. This is a bike so we're gonna talk about. Just the basic parts of a road bike be at a ten speed anything to change gears. We're gonna talk about you know what the gears where they are on your bicycle and what the levers order and that sort of thing so. I'm gonna start off with just like the old joke does my helmet. My solo pat well the first thing you've got this. The highest thing on your bike is he's going to be your seat and then you grab your handlebars in the little bar between it's got crossbar gang crossbar and some bikes may not have across some do not have a crossbar osmar but it's usually the usually the connector between your forks which is where the front wheel goes and the area below your seat and then on those handlebars mars are gonna be breaks. Your left break is going to be for your front in the right. Breaks won't be for the rear so be careful using that front brake because it will send you you like a catapult over your front seats. A good way to remember that is right rear are are so if you have if you kind of get confused. Just remember the right rear so the right hand going to stop the back wheel. The left hand's gonna stop the front will go and then a lot of the new bikes bikes these days. They're they're. They're brake levers also double as your gear shifts in on your left. We talked about little rain big ring. That's the headset. That's that's where you're pedals can act some bikes have three sets rings two cents range one senator independent what type of bike erotic right in that is controlled by the left side. <hes> tell us about the rights. The right side is going to be the one that controls the cassette and the year shifting in the back so so when you change over on the left side if you want to go from the small range of the medium ring to the big ring or vice versa. That's what you're going to use with your left hand but in any any of those if you want to move the back part of the chain underwear you're sitting too small cog in the cassette or the large coggin the cassette you're going to move your right hand and there you go and what's that little thing that hangs off the bottom that help she moved from left to right on your cassette. It's the thing that would fail me. In a spelling louis b it's called the director. I don't know how to spell and there are two directors. There is a front bariller a rear driller. The front driller controls calls those big cogs in the very front and the little one in the back so you know we talked about basic bicycle maintenance. Make sure that on those derails you add a little bit of lewd. There's little almost like knuckles that kind of like an elbow that elbow needs a little bit of lube so that it'll shift a little bit better <hes> yeah and <hes> if you find that you're shifting <hes> in all of a sudden you're chained skips to three cogs in the cassette you you may need to take it to the bike shop and have them tighten tighten up your durell because they will loosen wear down over time and it's time also to have the <hes> the bike shop check your chain somewhere and and safety do need cassette and i don't really know if we really talked about what a cassette is. According to wikipedia it's a multiple sprocket attached just to the hub on the rear wheel and acog set works with a rear derail learning provide multiple gear ratios to the writer so if you look down where you behind behind your feet and you see that all of those things where the chain is going up and down right or left is the exact opposite of what you do in the front so if you move the if you move your shifts in your left hand to go from the small ring to the medium range of the big ring well on the right hand you're gonna go from the narrowest part to the widest part and if you get it to the widest part that makes it easier to go hill if you get it to the narrowest part that's mainly like you're going flat out on a flat surface and you'll hear them say numbers like what was it like eleven thirty to eleven thirty to twenty five twelve so what that means is the narrowest part has eleven t teeth around the diameter of hub widest part has thirty two teeth around the diameter up so that's that's what is gazette. It's still pretty complicated eighty. We hope i didn't lose you and you have that deer in the headlights. Look right now going while you're driving or whether you're doing what in the world that those boys just say right right right and some of the just other a basic parts. That should be a little bit self explanatory. You've got your wheels. You get your front wheel. Your your will and your rear wheel is going to have your cock set. It's going to have your chain stays is that's going to be your power. Drive your chain your toe clips. You pedals all that kind of stuff just kind of works in tandem and that's that's. Where were you gotta. Put the juice. <hes> yeah and you know this is a jimbo eupol great a website. It's very simplistic. Website is from marian webster the dictionary dictionary and is called the visual dictionary online and this is called parts of a bicycle and it's in the show and you're going to put that in the show notes and that way you'll know what we're talking about it just just in case you have any questions now again you know different bikes and we're going to talk about the different bikes <hes> in the next episode like gravel bikes are or road bikes or whatever the main thank you need to know about is how to shift how to use your ears and how to use your brain properly absolutely remember. He's the rear brake. Break the right side. Most of the time because rear right right rear are left for over the top. Yes <hes> left for launch. Let's let for launch arch. I liked that because you hit the left break. I you might go to hide. I've got pins in my left. Wrist approved that point. I did a little too quick at the wrong the break and sent two hundred and fifty pounds flying into the air and i have pins and cadaver parts in my left shoulder from doing the exact same thing on a new. I smelled l. Something i need to do something for the next ambi- apocalypse. You're part of their own. Okay well look we got her first review and it was from chris williams uh-huh thanks chris. Thank you buddy for the review. He said that he gets lots of good information from us and we appreciate chris and as soon as we get some swag egg from some hopefully potential advertisers are folks who just want to give away some stop chris year at the top of the list. We'll get with you and get your bottle size or t. T shirts is just to say hey. Thanks for the review. You are numero uno in our book absolutely right so the next topic is just kind of a fun thing just to talk about it. <hes> it's a humor humor me thing that i got a chuckle out of was on bicycling dot com and i came across his article called the eleven eleven most annoying types of cyclists and <hes> you know it's not it's not here to step on anybody's toes because it's pretty much candidly i've been probably all of the absolutely this is going to be a parody. We're just gonna kinda. Laugh at ourselves and laugh at some of the guys has that we ride we do care for deeply and you know many of you out here. Listening may never ride with a group a ride with other people. You like to be so low and you enjoy your time out on the road by yourself and let me tell you that's one of the best therapy that anybody can do sometimes absolutely but if you are in a group there are going to be the people that let's face so you just don't like riding with <hes> and so the first one is called the excuse machines and i've done that and i've seen a lot of people do it. <hes> <hes> you know they. They had a hard day before they don't feel good. They've got a hangover and they ask him. Please keep just go easy. Go easy go easy and then they like mail. You drill million leave you behind. We also call those guys the sandbags sandbags. That's what that's what we you know and what's kind of funny. Not now. How make an excuse for the case machine is <hes>. Sometimes you just don't feel good but you know what you get out on that bike you start feeling a little bit better and you your your legs on china's quite as tight and get around good folks and your mind gets free and then your then you just just ham right and the next one is the gear snob bob in his nemesis the anti gear snob so you're probably gonna come across somebody that has everything new always has the most up-to-date equipment. He's got <hes> every time he you see him for a ride. He's got some new garments on new app on his phone some new wheel set of whatever and and <hes> of course there the what we call the gear snobs and then the anti gears you got the guy who will show up and how like how they put it on ancient motive mccain which is an old french spike who hasn't bought new tires since the last time greg lemond won the two thousand but yeah he's still beats you up. Every climate i ate does man. Oh absolutely yeah yeah those are <hes>. I've actually got some wheels autographed by greg lemond when he was taken years. I'm sure they're made out of a <hes>. They're laying out of steel. They were made out of old battleships. Yeah they're good. They're good going downhill that they're tough going no-doubt all right the next one is the how many anymore minutes writer or what we call the wigner. Oh gosh you know so they love the adventure riding beneath know exactly how long the ride would be so they can plan what to eat how much i eat when to start feeling like it's time to be done and if you run behind they're like oh man we got time and i'm i'm guilty that every week because i like going grocery grocery shopping with my wife and she always text me while i'm on the road like are you doing yet because i got to go. I need to get going to the grocery store and i'm like almost ninety so yeah. You can't same's on a good day you you get a meal just by walking through the casino yeah samples. We're all about having free lunch through the sample. Oh yeah all right the next one is the desperately unchecked now. This is for my mail cama parts who have whoever problem with their male ego and getting passed by woman. I personally don't mind getting past but i don't mind hanging basma. Anybody nope nope. Nope <hes> because they're expected to. I tell people all the time when people pass me and they're smaller than i am well they're supposed to because there are one hundred pounds less than i or two hundred yeah exactly so so these are the people that will go off <hes> making an excuse to do anything they can to keep in front of a woman even faking a break now the next one is the half wheeler a lot of people really do not like people who have will and that's the people who stay not directly parallel with you but they nj hitter are inch behind you and if something happens and you have to flare out they're gonna. They're gonna knock you out and you're you're. You're gonna knock them out so keep your distances and try to stay. Keep keep them in your site your pillow sign of you and love you know we talked in the previous issues about talking. If somebody is half willing and you don't feel comfortable to ask him say hey look either in front of me or behind him. Yeah get even with me but i don't don't ride on my hip because it's it's dangerous this next one. I have done more than one occasion occasion. The chronically unprepared has endless enthusiasm variety but then shows up with a flat tire or you need some energy jails or a five dollar bill for a snack or spirit to multiple. They're so busy writing. They can't seem to do things to advance themselves. Why bring extra stuff yeah which we'll talk about with one of the other guys here a little bit we talked. We've talked about that one of our previous episodes keeping some extra spare things to keep on your bike. Exactly the next one is the the cats six racer and what that means is <hes> basically there's just slang for pro <hes> so they're going fast as great and then they attack at a yellow alight turning every ride into a race and they're determined to be the first one epo king of the mountain going up everything and you know they they just wanna just make rides difficult by dropping. You and that's not very fun for those of us who wanting to do more enjoyable reassure some have little mirrors and they just see me wave at adam as they go off the distance. That's right the next. One is the graham addict and we're not talking about wait. We're talking to my instagram and hashtags yeah so there's lots of east faces. There's lots of people now. I like to enjoy my but also kind of going back to that other one where i need to get home sometimes and if i stop every corner and take a picture in front of a horse <hes> over the fence or couch you in code or something like that. I'm never going to get through with my ride but that's okay. Sometimes you just gotta stop and smell the roses so to speak absolutely but <hes> that's what we call instagram at <hes> and the next one is a constant yeah. Yeah we like to talk. Sometimes we can do a whole ride. Forget how long we've been because we've been talking the whole time but then you sometime ah going up the hill. You don't really feel like talking when they're asking you a question because you're trying to breathe and keep your heart rate now and then while the next one kinda hit home to to me the over helper that's a little bit about you know because we are part of the encouragement ride we're all the time trying to coach new newbies or new riders and give them encouragement asia and helpful tips well sometimes they can they can say that's a little bit too much. <hes> this according to this. It's like a you know you should eat more. You want me to check your tire brasher for you. You wanna push up that he'll know here comes one anyway well. That's we don't do that but i thought that was kind of funny. We always are trying to help and then the over gra helper sidekick the unsolicited coach we do that. Get your abel's out. Lower your gear more power as a gift bag. Show push push push. He's an an endless bond of advice you forget you're out there to enjoy the ride and not compete for a spot on the u._s. Olympic team. Oh my gosh we've been that we have done that so you know but sometimes sounds with tall and funded and but we try to help people who really don't know what they're doing. We're like like i was going back to the other part of this <hes> podcast. You know he's like okay. We're going up to getting up to a big hill. You may wanna switch into your small rain because it's easier to bike up a hill in your small ring. It is in the small ring <hes> no it's not it's still in the big ring so yes. I was guilty about being the sidekick the unsolicited coaches helper but he was all in trying to help this guy become better well. I think sometimes it's better a to be a little overly helpful than under helpful in some cases and you know some of our some of the folks you're listening. Hey we don't mean anything by we're just trying to trying to be helpful awful and sometimes we're a little too helpful but hey and now it's time for from the sun is answering your questions. We got a question <hes> from atlanta georgia. It's new rider and they've got one of the little <hes> they're. They're starting with a gear. Might they're going to as he calls it. He's got zoll ten speed out in the question was how far should i try to go to and what a good distance to start well. Whatever distance instance you can go is the distance where you start when i got back into cycling. I guess it was about four seasons ago for summers ago it. It took me about an hour to do ten miles. It was the first part of july and it was hot and ten miles my limit so my thought is go for time. If you can ride for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes or thirty minutes your mileage will increase the more you buy the stronger you'll get the better etorofu bay and if you're kind of working on some goals say this week when i get started. I wanna ride fifteen miles a week. Do not add the more than ten to fifteen percent more mileage the following week until you get to about twenty five then you start adding some more miles but under twenty five miles else. My recommendation is at ten percent for a couple of weeks. Go for time rather than distance and if if that's something that <hes> is a new theory to you and your frayed to get out and do miles because miles means getting out on the streets you know like in the neighborhood that i live in and i can go exactly one mile. Go around the block in my neighborhood. So you know sometimes you can just say okay. I'm gonna make i'm gonna. I'm gonna counter what you say alien say okay. I'm going to go five laps around my neighbor. Also you know that kind of thing and then if you wanna venture out and start seeing checking to see how many miles how's your because in our first episode one of our first episode we talked about straw in that will calculate in key and tell you how far you've gone. Absolute are a map my ride or any of the other apps that you you can put on your phone and then can tell you how far you go and that's always a good thing to see because you can see exactly how how what the distance you've gone after he drive by checking your straub or your map my ride but if you're if you're still not adventures to get out on the roads and log some miles i mean whatever you can do around your neighborhoods or the trails wherever you're at that is just pick a spot and trying to do that or just like jimbo said. I'm gonna ride for fifteen minutes. Take a break and and then i'm gonna ride fifteen minutes back out so that's a good way to start. You need to find yourself. You know a good base point and then build on that base. That's that's what we try to tell people when we're training for say the century writer or one hundred my ride you know we have to start somewhere so we do you know do thirty miles and then the next week we'll do thirty five miles in the next week. We'll do forty five miles and eventually we get up to about the week or two before the century ride will end up doing about an eighty five mile ride down and had his bird and <hes> that gives us a good base foundation to know that all we have to do is do that eighty five mile ride again and just add another getting another fifteen miles so just find your base and that you're comfortable with and you're not gonna like donate along to and you know we'll just we'll just go from there and work on and i would love to hear your stories about how far you are. I don't care if you win a hundred feet. If you want to send us your you're a you're a comment about. I gotta buy a win around the neighborhood. I one hundred yards right. We want to hear about we want to hear about it and we'll be your accountability partner. We'll you you know we'll make call you out on. One of the next episodes ahidjo one hundred yard. Did you turn it into two hundred or something like that. Well on striving. We have a strong group called. The encouragement ride podcast is free to join. Just click on it. We'll see your your activities on their in. Give us a chance to give you an atta. Boy the fat on the back so what's the encouraging word from on high while as we leave our saddlebag we're gonna go into the encouraging word word in honor of martin. Luther king's birthday. Today is a from booker t. washington. I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed and i will tell you that bicycling sometimes it's very easy to people and bicycling sometimes very hard to people. I am not easy one. It has been many years of struggle and and wait it is j. We'll tell you our producer. Maybe we'll lose a little weight. Maybe not but i will tell you that you do have obstacles. Most of them are in your head. Your body will follow your body will feel better when you biking and just tell yourself that hey you know what this embrace. The suck like we said the beginning you know just get out their asked bond. If it's a little hard that's okay push yourself challenge yourself. Nobody's there. You're not gonna win a medal neither week but we want you enjoy the ride so learn that success s. is to be measured not so much by the position is reached in life as by the obstacles which they of overcome while trying to succeed. Thank you mr washington. Okay guys corrales envelope cyclist. Thank you again for for tuning into us. You can find us on facebook at the encouragement ride podcast in on twitter at encourage rining any send us your comments your reviews in please give us a subscribe. That's the key stuff for us. Reviews are great but subscribers average reading back. We get to talk to more folks kelvin. I will talk to you shortly. My pleasure jim of have a say. Thanks everyone for joining in be sure to subscribe for all the latest news and updates you can find us on facebook at the encouragement ride and on twitter at at encourage writing bisher submit your questions in the saddle bag in tune in for for the answers remember where your helmet always use your linke's and until next time happy trails on next i just hit they loved it.

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ERP003-Basic Maintenance with Jeremy Polk

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

17:51 min | 3 years ago

ERP003-Basic Maintenance with Jeremy Polk

"Got kelvin. What's that can we just got off the bike ride. How you feel good yeah. We'll we'll go from there. What would you prefer. I'm just trying to think of something witty i can't i my mind is blank writing come to sell man. We just got off the bike ride. It was fifty degrees. We laughed. It was forty came back and two big guys on you know riding into the wind is like trying to push a tugboat up to michigan uh-huh. We'll come okay iowa start. Welcome everybody to the encouragement ride cast brought to you with limited or no commercial -mercial interruptions live and direct to wherever you find podcast from our good whom and gluckstein mississippi to wherever you may be with your host a quarter a ton of writing fund the cycling good citizens those we're just out for a ride homers. Jimbo ralian kelvin jones remember friends these two way of quarter time so you don't have to take it away. Boys i welcome to the encouragement ride podcast with jimbo and calvin <music> kevin. We just got off a quick. One hour chilly ride you feel a man. It was windy out. There was a what fifty degrees forty eight degrees. He's and my jacket was catching all that wind tough. You look like a big yellow sale but the good thing is you right in front of me yeah yeah. Hey welcome to the podcast everybody saudi. We appreciate all the support that we've been getting all the comments and feedback that we've been giving you guys a great <hes>. This is the quarter town of riding fun. We are just enjoying ourselves. We're just a bunch of homers <hes> sitting here talking a little bit about something in a lot about nothing boil guys look thank you. We <hes> if you're new to the podcast what we do. Is we talk about cycling. Not the indepth stuff about what wheels you need in this terrain that kind of stuff we're talking about beats. Cruisers oil chain were a helmet. Get out and enjoy the fresh air. Go meet your neighbors. It's not about a race. It's about a ride so get out and just go ride a little bit power metoo. We don't need no l. Stinking power meter well <hes>. I got to be funny kelvin. I was in hattiesburg mississippi this past week and i was visiting with one of my customers which is completely unrelated to cycling and one of the guys there had a bike rack that folks on the back of your car so we started just chit chat a little bit and i assorted ask him as eighty ride where he ride that sort of thing and come to find out he was starting to ride a bike to train for one of these spartan races and he did no about a helmet. He didn't know about blinky lights. He didn't know about a tire pump all those different things. I got to think i'm saying you know what i bet. There's a lot more people people who don't know what a pump is. Then who do this and he was getting ready to do a spartan race. He was vixen to a spartan race. He was going to use the bike to cross train with he said fixing for all of northerners that means about to fit into means about two so <hes> we had a nice chat. I even told her about the courage me ride podcast. He subscribed on the spot. Thank you very much but it was. It was just really kind of cool to be that cycling advocate to impart some knowledge and just be a a a good cycling citizen so it was you know get an air pump by an extra innertube. If you'd like to learn how to work on your bike a little bit there are hundreds of really good videos on if you got a beach cruiser and you want to loosen up chain or lube your chain or change the tire patchily patch innertube those sort of things and along those lines. We're going to do a segment today. We're going to interview bike mechanic and he's going to give y'all awesome basic knowledge on just how to get your bike out of the garage and get a gun okay true believers here for the first time a new segment expert mortar where the fellas l. is chat with experts in the field feel but still eric sports and today i've got with me jeremy poke with bicycle revolution and gluckstein extent mississippi. How're you doing jeremy. I'm good. How are you man. I'm doing great. The weather's perfect little breezy and i can't ride today because i've got family obligations but i'm i'm pretty sure you will <hes> mondays my day off man well. Thanks for joining jeremy is going to do a segment with us every so often unless the listeners ask more questions than we'll try to go on but it's just basic bicycle maintenance. <hes> jeremy is listening to the podcast and knows that we're kind of geared towards newbies people that are just now. We're getting into cycling to bike in the garage. The change rusty it makes noises how to pump up a tire that sort of stuff so he's going to give you a couple of tips on just how to get that thing out the road out of the garage and if you have a local bike shop you wanna take it there i but if you're in a bicycle shop desert germs gonna walk you through just a couple of little basic things <hes> <hes> first thing you want to do with with the bike. It's been sitting in garages. Get it out of the garage. Take it around back where your water hoses around the side of the house and and get you some dawn dishwashing liquid in a bucket kind of like you do for car so for us dawn and hose down you buy get the cobwebs off above it. Get the extra dirt off of and then wash wash it like you would a vehicle just nice soft sponges orange or rag or whatever and washed the bike down <hes> when you get to the chain and the drive line components you'll wanna get out a bristle brush. <hes> aw toothbrush works well <hes> with some simple green if you put it on that chain only in the cogs in the back in and start scrubbing it <hes> fingernail rush rush often works because it's three inches longer so and it really allows you to scrub into their but clean the chain as thoroughly as you can then wash wash everything off rinse it off. I would caution against putting high pressure anywhere on the bike. <hes> just do a low pressure rents instead of doing high high pressure because the water gets into the bearings and we'll destroy everything. That's that's one of the first things i would do is take it outside. Wash it off once you wash it. Go ahead and dry. If it's a warm sunny day than just leave it in the in the sun and let the chain kind of dry dry yeah a little drip dry. Next thing you want to do is put some air in your tires. Make sure that they're not cracked where they've been sitting on the floor. If you can hang up a bike for storage words that would be the best thing you can do 'cause if a tire sits flat oftentimes you will have cracking develop where it sits so pump. I put your tires make sure they're in good condition. <hes> the next thing you'll do is go back to that chain and lubricate the chain with anything but w._d. Forty they try using a teflon base lube most bike shops carry extra lead that you can buy for eight dollars or so w._d. Forty is making chain lewd. Nowadays not the whole spray can that that many people have used the chain super rusted than w._d. Forty spray cam would be okay <hes> <hes> then clean it off after that well the rule of ours hurt is <hes> w._d. Forty is a solvent not a lubricant is exact if you do have a rusty chain which i've had in the past hit it with that and then our scrubbing scrub scrub scrub scrub scrub and then apply some type of teflon coating teflon base chain mood or wax based chain lou there's so many different styles out i use the purple stuff whatever extreme works greg o. and should last around three hundred miles or so <hes> <hes> between applications but when you are applying chain leave you wanna drip on each link you roll the pedals backwards <hes> a four minute and then let that chain lube get into the nooks and crannies of that chain into the rollers and the pens once that happens white about ten minutes. I go back and get you a clean rag. Not paper towel rag works ah best and then wipe the chain down by rotating the pedals backwards and holding the the rag on the bottom side of the chain fairly close to the crane. Gotta re fold the the ragged three or four times especially with the purple extreme stream until the chandler does not come off anymore. Gonna wipe us much of that office. Pass for you newbies. The chain crank is the pedal thing. That's where you're that's where your fico. That's the thing that sticks out of the bottom bracket. I learned that one the other day he that's where the pedals connect to chain the crank arms and the right outside crank has a chain ring on or three four three or two or wants where we get a lot of folks out there on beach cruisers. Now i had something happened to me and i made a. I wouldn't called a rookie mistake but i did a bike ride. I drove two hundred miles forgot to bring anything to wipe off my chain any lube and when i started to warm up a little bit <hes> with the dust and grime that i picked up on the road i squeaked for about twenty thirty minutes so knucklehead like me. I do a little do some charity rods outta town. What do i need to bring with me to make sure i'm ready for those rides and not be the squeaky i bring a pump and learn to pump up your tires. Offer fresher brow would bring a a little bit of chain lube in a tool kit. <hes> 'cause oftentimes wing. You're going to a place like this and you're going for a charity the event especially sometimes there's mechanical help onsite sometimes it's just as simple as a as a squeaky chain and you don't really need mechanical assistance listen for that. You can do it yourself but you need carry a little bit of chain. Leave with you. Make yourself a small tool kit with some basics in it. <hes> maybe a chain pin or or quickly <hes> you can bring some chain lube in an extra couple of rags in a rag is always a good thing to have in there and maybe even a side wall cut kit park tool makes a tire boot. <hes> some people carry them with them in their bags on the by the to have an extra one in the backup tool kit would be a good perfect well. I think that about covers it look. If you have any questions you can submit questions to jeremy me at bicycle revolution on facebook or you can visit us at the encouragement ride podcast on facebook. If you like what you hear semitic question love to hear from you and we'll go walk smiles back to saddleback all right and <hes> thanks to jay lustig four or a naming our mailbag. We're going to call it. Oh i'm sorry jay easier. You're his friend. Hello mr lewis. Do you have to go into water badly looted now. It's time for from with a buddhist. Answer your quick. Hey so producer. J. came up with a great name for our mailbag. He wants to call it. The saddlebags and i think that's very appropriate because of you know bikes likes do carry saddlebags some time so we got a new question from our saddlebag <hes> <hes> what's your name jimbo jimbo wants. You would want you read what the the question is well. The question came from a from a listener from brookhaven mississippi. His name is steven and i listened to the podcast because he he likes the podcast for one thing but he's more of a runner than cyclist and he asked what is the the difference between what's the protocols of the laws about runners running on a street and cyclist on a street or roadway so so so calvin. Do you want to take the runner party going to take the cycling pot well <hes> as considering that i have done a couple of marathons back in two thousand seven and two thousand eight and <hes> i did to train <hes> i will tell you that the running you run against traffic and cycling you ride with traffic so a lot of times. I'll see a biker riding against traffic and it just makes my skin crawl and <hes> and then a lot of times. I'll see you a runner or walker wrote walking with traffic and that does the same thing. It makes me a little upset that they're not being safe so the biggest thing there's just to make sure that if you're walking or running you're facing traffic if you're riding a bike you're doing just like you're driving a vehicle. You're obeying all traffic signs and you're writing with the the flow of traffic exactly what else and that's even if you're in your neighborhood just kinda thank you. If you're riding around your neighborhood. Stay stay on the right hand. Side do not right on the sidewalk unless it specified for sidewalks need they walk not a it's not a bike patten so and also think about if you're riding late in the afternoon or early in the morning or running early in the morning <hes> where you're this where something that people can see it can be reflective you carry a light with you. You know those sorts of things oh and another thing <hes> i know that we have a a bike and walking kind of recreation trail around our reservoir and it has little stripe line one lane for walking and one lane is for biking and sometimes you'll find the walkers in the bike lane and sometimes you'll find the bikers in the walking lame so so <hes> just be privy of <hes> the the the painting on the lines and it'll tell you which side to be on and i've i've noticed some of the multi trails with people when i've been running that when cyclists come up kind of scare you because you don't brian. They don't let you know you're behind him. So if you're a cyclist and you're coming up on a walker runner especially they'd got at a dog because if you scare the dog the dog is going to probably run right in front of you in everybody's gonna go falling down but just when you get twenty to thirty yards bag just kinda sound off a little bit and say hey coming around you laughed or biker behind you that sort of thing and it'll make everybody a lot safer and you'll have a much more enjoyable rod right and then people won't say ugly things about you as you go by but you know what jimbo that is. <hes> brings up a very good point. I know a lot of walkers and runners. They liked to listen to their jam tom for while they're out moving and one thing that i learned <hes> training for a marathon is if you're gonna do that which is fine because i love listening to you know a little <hes> <hes> mannheim steamroller myself but but at least just put one <hes> earbud in and keep the other one out so you can hear what's going on around you especially these these walkers and runners that i see running with traffic if you've got two ear buds in and you can't hear coming up behind you and they were busy texting or had their head turned around taking care of their children you're toast so one thing is make sure that you have your one of your ear. Buds out at all times and you can hear something. I know a lot of times now. They're coming up with all these bluetooth speakers you can carry a small bluetooth speaker with you or put it on your bike or on your your running self and it can project the noise out you know music music loud anyway and you don't have to have anything plugged into years but if a biker comes around and says on your ride or on your left you're not gonna hear them and they're going to scare the bejesus out of you and i usually when you get scared you either dodds left or right and if you if you take when you should've zagged does go down now when i ride i do some solo rides. Sometimes sunday morning saturday morning. I'll put an earbud in but it's all always leave the ear open or not polluted near but in to the one that's closest to the road right. I want to be able to hear stuff. Steph coming down my left side. If i'm on a bicycle that's right yeah and when i run i i wouldn't call what i do run. I would call it more of a steady walk. <hes> i tend to do the same thing but i do pull the right ear out. So when i'm going with traffic i can see here horns that sort of stuff but yeah stephen. Thanks for the question and look nick. If you've got questions y'all like to ask us to get some feedback from you guys and finally as we do with every episode i like to end with an encouraging <hes> statement or an encouraging word for all of you people. This came from one of my administrative assistance out in california. She sends me the thought for the day. I liked it so much i decided to keep it and use is it for today's podcast and it says if it's important to you you will find a way if it's not then you'll find an excuse so you know we can always find excuses to sit on the couch and not <hes> exercise not get out and go for a bike ride. It was forty eight fifty degrees. Today i could've sat at home and be toasty and had had my little hot chocolate but i decided to wrap up a little bit and push through the elements and it'll just make me that much more of a better writer so if it's important to you you will find a way if it's it's not then you'll find an excuse so i challenge all of you listening to not make excuses. Let's make a plan for this year and get your writing. That's awesome. Hey guys look hey. Thanks again and you can find us on twitter. You can find us on facebook and we appreciate your. We appreciate your support calvin. I think that's it for this. Go round. Okay my friend everybody. Y'all have a great day all right. Y'all get out. Get your mom miles. In the weather gets better turtles. Thanks for tuning in these sure to subscribed for all the latest updates and don't forget to send in your questions to the saddleback. Remember ride with run against wear. Your helmet usually leakey's it. 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January 2020: A Year in Review and Looking Forward

The Encouragement Ride Podcast

48:39 min | 1 year ago

January 2020: A Year in Review and Looking Forward

"Welcome to the encouragement ride. PODCAST brought to you. Live and direct with limited or four no commercial interruptions from our home and beautiful Gluck Stat Mississippi to wherever you find podcast with your hosts that quarter ton of riding hiding fun the sultans of cycling safety those braggadocious Behemoths Jimbo Rally and Kelvin Jones. Remember folks these two. We're a quarter of a ton so you don't have to take it away. Boys everybody walking to the encouragement ride. Podcast we are doing the first taping of Two Thousand Thousands Twenty Kelvin Jones Quarter Tuna Roddy Fund studios and collects that Mississippi and we got a we got a new partner in this. So I guess we're going to be now. Three quarter ton of Writing Fund. We got caught HAIRSTON. Calvin how has your year greetings and citations. My friend Yeah this is a been a been a nice year. We've actually been the weather's trying to cooperate with actually been trying to get some rides in during the winter months and staying being active in trying to stay up on our writing abilities and and you know what I got for Christmas I give up fat. That's what I got. I got that and what about you. How's everything with you? Go on good one good have been joined it because my son's getting involved and it's fun once you don't get excited about it and different types of running and stuff like that and he's really enjoyed it. Well let's talk about that. So how does your son. Chris is twelve twelve so I saw a lot of people who may be listening to the podcast. Maybe thinking you know what does the twelve year old do on a bicycle. But there's something that we have here in. Mississippi called Mississippi Blue's mountain biking team and how many how many twelve year olds are on there. It's great sixth through twelfth morally younger. Okay most of them are on because you can actually be high school age and be on the mountain biking team correct. Okay and where do you guys Ryan at. They practice Bicycle the revolution hearing loss and like a spin class that they do every Monday night and then every Sunday we try to do not what practice man walking skills but you know tomorrow there on. Close the trice because everything money right now night. The national traits here in Jackson Mississippi area and then they race against other mountain biking teams. Yes they do in Alabama. There's not a circuit here in Mississippi so the season. There's a rice every the other weekend in the springtime and will be going on there as many as we possibly can. Okay so what about other states. Do you know anything about Tennessee or Louisiana. Louis Theon or Arkansas is just. We're we're kind of like lumped in with Alabama we've We've put together a team that goes on there and rises. Because there's nowhere to arrive here. How many people are on the team here locally? You know I'll say about what the oldest you have any idea. I music like a senior in high school. I don't think so. I think what won't be the oldest one he sixteen sixteen. Say goes from in your son. Chris's twelve so we're looking at a team of a dozen kids between the ages of twelve and sixteen go and compete every couple of weeks at a different race around the around Alabama. Oh yes wow. That's pretty interesting. It's pretty cool. He didn't have anything like that when we were growing up. I don't think now now it was see. How far are we could hit a house with an egg? And and when you when you go over to Alabama how many teams do you race against you have any idea a lot of them. This is his first year to do it. So what we have to come back and give us a reward because if our listeners out there if they have children may be between the ages of twelve and senior high school and ride bikes and might be worth looking into the local bike shop to ask and see if there's any kind of like high school bike riding team or something like that because high schools are doing things. Now that we didn't have we grown up. I mean there's bowling teams. There's archery team us. There's Lacrosse teams James. I mean Cross has been around in of nor for a long time in the south. It's fairly new you know so. There's there's new sports that people are coming into that. We're not we're not familiar with and I'm wondering in a good friend of mine. His son actually is in Mississippi State Bass fishing team new those bass fishing teams in college. It's now high school. Yeah and so. I'm wondering if if there's going to be any kind of thing where you can get like a scholarship for mountain biking or something I west. They have Matt Mike Tapes at collegiate level. Do they're they're more club. Teams like Ole Miss Memphis University. They get cycling teams right the club level but in some of the the school's out West where they don't play football played college baseball basketball. They're starting to get more into the adventure. Sports try on teams cross country. Names actual uh-huh so yeah he's an emerging he's an emerging market is. He sounds like he's right at the edge of the ahead of the wave. It's a very good thing And you can see it on the soccer field. That's the only other sports does and he doesn't WANNA come out. He's never hardly breathing hard. His lungs are ready. Makes me sick. He decided one day he was going to run a half marathon neighborhood that he did. It decided around thirteen miles and he did a screen shot on struggle to ours. I Don I remember the first time I was at agent said I was going to go run down the street. I think major my neighbor's mailbox which was about eight hundred fifty S. Oh that's good so that's one topic that That our listeners may be interested in trying to Look at maybe something for their children about how to get involved as a family or House as butchered your child if they're into mountain biking and it really is it. Is it truly mountain. biking is a mountain biking course cyclocross or gravel bikes or anything like Yeah Martin bike trail riots okay. Mississippi is working towards getting it involves more involved in the misbehaves schools. Sports Association. Okay you start started developing so we'll just take a little time but you got to start someplace same way with the bowling in the bass. Fishing Lacrosse is just hockey with sticks and round balls and they tried to have hockey team at Omega. Three guys trying to try out. Uh All right. Well that's good so let's talk about. Some of our trials and errors of for the past year are still year interview review. So how do you think you're you're writing the this year Jimbo I was might target for this year was three thousand miles and I ended up right around eighteen. Eighteen hundred which was a little bit low Whether early this time of the year kind of set me back. I don't think I logged more than fifty miles from January Kan.. One through the middle of March just because the weather and travel is cold. I don't like riding in cold weather. I love cold weather but I don't like writing it when my finger and does start getting cold. I'm done. It's miserable for me now. I graduated from wrong. Did you do any writing in the mountains of Tennessee last year I did not. I didn't get a chance to take the bike up and do cades cove and enrolled around the Gatlinburg severe Valeria. Take it back. I did one ride with the local bike shop in an MBA and three in. I realized pretty quick and I'm a flat-lander were riding through some of the most treacherous busy roads roots and these guys are flying through cars or two or three feet away from us. This is in Tennessee. This was in survival but these guys knew they were done. Kept me safe pretty much. Might my mom is freaking out. You Know Semis won't buy me on a two lane road But it was. It was enjoyable. It was only about a twenty mile. Ride I had a hard time keeping up with them because they knew the terrain. I didn't know my gearing on some of the hills but on the way back we're coming into a headwind and these guys made I'm six four to eighty forty. These guys were probably six one hundred eighty back into a solidly brace. They love me. They love second behind the the big fella to VW's drafting behind the seminar. They enjoyed that part of it but I did do some riot town. We did together other. The three of us will to finish it. We did the sixty mile hungry. Would the by US Blues and by try. Uh talk about the low altitude crop dusted. And I'll put it this way ladies and gentlemen if you go on a really really good ride and you got a little nerves you know maybe a little pearl of wisdom is to take some What do you call it a modem or something before and listen? We'll just leave it at that. They had at Dat But also did a really cool ride down a mobile Early part of November was called Beers and gears should be called beer and gears because they give you one beer at the end of the road but they had Several short routes but I did the metric century so a little over sixty miles and they also had hundred mile option and it was Riding around around Mobile Alabama. Down to theater. If you're looking on a map you can look at Belen Graph Gardens and it was kinda route to and from. Well well run on. I think three or four thousand riders. If I'm not mistaken this pretty good pretty good mouth it was it was great Few rozier little nervous. Because you just I don't. You're not familiar with the area. But they put you on big wide roads and had some good shoulders to ride on one too big climbs coming back over to even from a mobile but other than that was fairly flat ride Very enjoyable Walmart. Well supported Yadda like local power company. Company had set up a huge rest stop and it was just a well run ride and this year. My goal is to do four rides outside of the Jackson Jackson Metro area and do some like Mississippi Gulf coast. GO TO MEMPHIS We've talked about. The three of us have talked about doing the bow. Bikes Obama that was birth from the Tuscaloosa tornadoes. About ten years ago he did a fundraising ride. Blue Bo Jackson as the superstar superstar running back from Auburn University and in Oakland Raiders. So if you If you go online and look at Bo Bikes Bama. There's plenty of information. I I will put a link to it on our in our show notes but I just want to do some more outside rides. Just go see different. Parts of the state. Go see different parts of the southeast and Just spend more time on the road bike. Yeah that's a great point. I mean for those of our people that are listening in the audience. I mean you know some of you may be new you and not be very comfortable signing up for a ride. But I guarantee that it's something that you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of even if you go by yourself you make new friends. We always seem to make new friends friends whenever we have rides. 'cause you end up writing with people that you don't know and then they they quickly become your friends So you know maybe for twenty twenty if you do any any kind of New Year's resolution look for a look good out of your comfort zone. Do not afford ride. It's Outta town where you have to drive now for us. Some of the ones that we have as we mentioned I mean Saturday. May the second of this year is the annual matches trace century. Ride now for those. That don't with the national traces. That's a state park. It's really considered state park. But it's a road. That goes all the way from Nashville Tennessee to Nashes Mississippi where we buy a lot of. It's very a pretty Water Turkey deer not a lot of cars except when you get through the Jackson capital area Good ride and the Jackson of the National Trade Century Ride is half of it or most of it is on Najib If you WANNA get out of town come visit us You can certainly drop us an email. We'll we'll we'll lead you on that ride. I think it the the cost is fairly economical. You registered before the end of April. It's like fifty five dollars and then another one that we do during the year in August is the bikes blues. And by US I think without question we love that one because it's in the delta. It's got a lot of good music at every stop a lot of good Rest stops One Stop. They have like a cool slushy. Remember that so they are they. They put the end slaughter largest city. They put the They pickle juice in like a slushy machine and he had like the pickles lushes and then when you stop at the money stop you have. What the Coca Cola Eliza the little glass bottles and moon pies in? You got a watermelon slim singing songs on his Steel Guitar or something. So it's it's Kinda good so these are it. All rides locally doesn't Mississippi but I'm sure that wherever you live. They've got some really good rides as well. How much this year because you did more than we did because you got involved in gravel of the first organised gravel rod have done? This year was Oxford. Last weekend with Kevin It was quite an experience experience of a lot of fun. Definitely get you a lot of heels of cold. You know you were the right things you don't get too cul. Yeah so you know one of the things that I've done this year since last time. We've done a podcast is that I got a gravel bike. I got a candidate. L. Top stone and so I've delved into in the gravel biking and Jimbo has unfortunately not had a chance to do that yet. But It can be quite dusty in the summer but it can be fun during the winter when there's not a lot of dust is just cold. That's the problem and wet so here. Are you think Mississippi. There's a lot of flat roads but it's amazing when you get to gravel roads. How early they can be an Oxford? Was My very first organized ride to and just to give you a quick update on Colin I. We were asked to sweep one of the one of the routes and so we did and and I was thinking that everybody was kind of like a little bit more into biking will come to find out. There's one guy that was on the back of the of the ride he was. He was walking up every hill so oh and he didn't know how to change. He didn't know how to change gears properly. He didn't know how to his chain back on when his chain Bob off and that was This is kind of like what this whole podcast is about is to try to teach people or encourage them from the beginning to take on rides so it was nice to kind of work with him and at the end we could tell you learned learned a lot by the time we get we get done when you think so yes and you tell him a lot about nutrition during the yeah. Yeah and so when you come out for a ride and you're going to be out there for more than an hour to you. Need to make sure that you have something more than one bottle of water. He had no food he you could tell he was bonking or crashing crashing out sharing some Jim Some of my fuel with them. I was letting him drink one of my water bottles at head carbohydrate mixture in it and we'll go over that here a few minute so So yeah gravel. BIKING has been a new thing. If you don't know anything about that you can certainly look up or Google or being gravel bikes and it'll show you the a new kind of thing that a lot of people are doing the reason why a lot of people are doing that as they don't you know quite frankly they just don't like being around cars. Cars are dangerous I have not been bitten by the gravel bog yet. But I'm sure it'll happen soon so you know we. We talked about doing some some of the longer rides the road So if you're looking to encouraging you to get involved in cycling so pick a ride or forgive the group and you've seen these marathon makeovers in couch to five K.. Programs you can develop your own program but you gotTa Kinda Kinda you gotTa get on your bike you have to. You have to ride in find a baseline of figure out what distances. You'd like to try for Ad Brad. Start for maybe twenty five mile bike ride and then if you can do ten miles in one ride and they take an hour may take an hour and a half but that your base ace then you start adding every week when it comes to running in reading some of the different ones. How hidden and some of these couch to five K.? Kind of deals they. They suggest you add about ten to fifteen percent for your long run of the week while I suggest you'd do about twenty percent on a bike because you know bikes low impact. You can do a little bit more go a little further but if you can start off go from ten miles a week to twelve and then from twelve to fifteen in the fifteen to twenty then you can Kinda Start Your training program to get to that twenty five Mile Mark and make sure you know in the week before if it's twenty five miles to go ahead and get a twenty five mile bike riding or a twenty or thirty mile bike ride in so that you over train gene so you can enjoy the ride so that your your longest ride. Isn't the the the group ride what he thought the farthest you have a road during your first year writing I would say about twenty five to thirty. Let's good guess see my i. I'm I'll never forget my friend of mine. Got Me into biking. I've done it about a half a year and then we went on an eleven mile bike ride and I thought Housman to die at Mile Eleven. I literally got off my bike and fell off into the grass and leave like a light. You know with my arms out like I was dad. Bad Road kill roadkill so that was at eleven miles so you know twenty five may seem daunting to somebody but you know for it does miss that are large and in charge. I mean twenty five miles to be a little bit a little bit of Org. How well the first night I remember my first longest ride getting ready to two? It was actually the the Bison Blues is about five years ago and I'd seen the Flyer in Greenwood Mississippi I was calling on customers and I kinda did the math math backwards this was into very GM. And I knew how to month and gobbled one of my buddies and on July the third things on on a Saturday I said I'm going to twenty miles. I'm going to do it. It took me right at two hours and it was hot. It was nasty and every week I had to add five miles with the forty mile option on that particular. I was going to be my long run so it was basically a Franken. Bike is candidate with different wheels and Blah Blah Blah Blah. It was it was a truly Franken bike line nine. I had a T. shirt on. I showed up fifteen hundred riders. And I'm the only one wearing a t-shirt and I bought a pair of bike shorts in Walmart that the pat on it was a little bit thicker than having a Napkin on your seat and that forty miles took me three hours so I it was it was it was tough. But that Kinda got me hooked What was funny was? We're GONNA back from the. We're we're heading out the twenty and there were guys coming past the white doing the sixty I went. You know think that's what I don't know if I will be that great but I'm going to be in a group that is going to be far behind and so over the next five years I mean between us. We've probably logged in five years twenty thousand miles between us and a lot of just recreational writing to our buddy doing a fifteen miler twice a week and then maybe getting together and doing a thirty forty fifty miler on the weekends But if you're going to do just like a couch to five K.. You gotta get out and do some stuff three days a week now if you're in the colder climates mix where we are willing to wet Klein. It's been raining nonstop for about thirty days. Aren't to go by and you're right. I mean when I drove over here accounts House I saw you know possums and canes on the side of the road they're pairing off to about two so so we We have our unique challenges so last year got off of facebook marketplace found a little MAC trainer got for like fifty bucks. I've got to set up in my garage and I was talking to one of the The bike shop guys instead of you can do thirty minutes three times a week on a trainer. You're going to really really in good shape gathering come spring because writing a trainer is nothing like riding on the road. You're pedaling constantly play for you know twenty thirty minutes. There's no coasting there's no breaking you're just having guy going to do the long league which is a rails to trails in his very flat. And you think it's easy because it's Latte but you don't like you said there's no coasting and it's constant that no breaking so Li if you're new to this this it's didn't find the trainer go on Ebay go on a facebook marketplace type in cycling or bicycles whatever. Somebody's offload offload one. Take it to your bike. Shop asked him to show you how to figure it out. Start with ten minutes on a bye on the trainer. Work your way up. I hey trainers as much as I hate cold weather but also know that come March April. If I don't get in some miles this year it's going to be a struggle to get up to speed by awed by early June when the fun stuff in the fun ride star. Yeah I can come into that. I mean you know being a habit deerhunter if I just get off my bike hike in October. Don't get back on it until March. I pay the price dearly but if I'm riding during the wintertime even if it's in Sil- cycling I mean you know in a spin class or whereas Jimbo said on the garage with a trainer as long as you're doing something you're keeping what we call base miles. You know they they say you need to do one hundred and fifty minutes of aerobic activity a week anyway and so he just said three times a week thirty minutes. You know. That's ninety right there So you're already putting yourself giving yourself a good base for Hebrew yourself fairly healthy other than you know trying to get through Thanksgiving and Christmas and all that stuff. The incorporate some weight training with my schedule. I don't get to go to gyms very often so I try to do some push ups every day. Do some Body squats in tow raise. I was telling my guy the things dentist you The gentleman you and I were helping an Oxford awesome. You go to the gym Madonna's now and I said Yeah I can tell because you're having a stroke. You're struggling trying to get up these deals. I said I said why. Don't you just start next week. Just while you're in the shower let your conditioner sure. Do Your hair whatever just do twenty body squats in the shop online. You can find all sorts of challenges you can find. Plank challenges push up channel Urfi burpee. He's the squad's all that kind of stuff. I'll tell you folks you know doing some lower. Legwork is far as doing like body squats and that kind of thing you do twenty thirty five thirty bodies squad today and you know add in some push ups and some sit ups toe raises You'll notice the difference because as I do these and even off off the bike for a couple of weeks I can go out and ride and you notice it more on the hills. When you're going up a hill those heels aren't quite as hard as have you not done anything? If you're just dead legged from three months no activity right now. Some of you may live in areas where there's nothing but severe hills and so God bless you. We live down here where it's fairly glad so. He'll does is Kinda daunting at times. What else we want to talk about? This may be somebody's First Time listening to us so we WANNA make sure that we just remind everybody about being safe. While you're on the road will be seen while you're out on the road the right kind of year. You know the right on a nutrition went to bring with you so you I'm GonNa Start off on that Cow Tells you know what you do in prep because you'd like to ride at night more than I did. So Oh you know until till we get like savings times back my favorite time of the year kind of what kind of lights are what lights do. Use not necessarily the name brands. But where do you have your lights. You know what colors do you wear reflective. All accounts time. They'll try to little reflected stuff. Oh Man I really don't concentrate on Tom Breath close at night. Because I've got a live student can see what I'm wearing anyway but I'm about a nine hundred thousand I'm in light on the bike. Plenty also get. Led flashing Red Lights on the back of the helmet and on the post. So we've survived car rashes. See I if I'm coming up behind. You see the red lights blinking. You'RE GONNA say lights out of lives right in the daytime. You one wear something. That's kind of like fluorescent yellow high visibility green orange hunters orange that kind of bright stuff. I mean there's a lot of Nice cycling clothes out there air but again if they blend in with the trees in the forest and the street is not doing anybody to good. You WanNa make sure that you're seeing because I don't care how good how good we're how lousy I look. I want to be able to arrive home back to my fam absolutely so Jimbo launch you Talk about what. What are you kinda mix up for? When you go out on the road like the Gatorade or well I usually do one? GATORADE or I get these little packets at at Kroger. Data are a little energy drinks. They get them in the over Crystal Light Crystal Lights. It's actually a little house ran. But they've got different ones once for energy I guess like five our energies in a little pouch and you mix them with water. And that's when I say short ride and we're doing our are fifteen to twenty miles stuff during the summertime. I'll go through to twenty four ounce bottles from doing forty eight ounces over the hour so but this time of the year. I pretty pretty much do water. I drink enough coffee and water throughout the day you know wintertime. Writing for me is not seeing how fast I can go and how fast so I can get back. It's more or less. I'm trying to avoid the land. Best at Cancer Robin surviving. It minimize the pain in my hands and feet great But as we start doing longer rides I'll pack some packs. I like the different types of us take naps was Goo Goo is a little supplement packets. kind of got the consistency of between peanut butter and Maple Syrup and it's got carbohydrates got some stimulant in it low kathleen sugar just something to keep a little fuel on your belly. Take those better every forty five minutes fifty miles. Whichever comes first? Also carry a naps. Lances peanut butter crackers reason. Why use that instead of a candy bar in the summertime if you ride in any you're gonNA mail the peanut Butter Dunton Mel? If you're not real hungry eat out six to three and you've had some the share and just to kind of like I said. Just take a step back. I mean we're talking because we're Mississippi ran the deep south. We don't have a very strong winter. We don't have any snow. You guys may be sitting there in the snow north right now while we're out riding and fifty forty degree weather trying to avoid the rain but the difference it is when it comes to being summertime. We're going to be ninety eight hundred degrees down here. We're going to be under a lot of duress with heat exhaustion and excessive excessive sweating for me. I'm accessible sweater to the point where I've had medical issues off ended really dial in nutrition and hydration and again Dan we. Don't you know we're not saying that. These are the best things in the world but there are companies. You can look at like scratch K. R.. ATC as they made a thank. God hyper hydration. I drink one of those before really really long hot ride out with my sodium intake the near stuff by hammer nutrition called he'd high high energy endurance Drink in that has like thirty something grams of carbohydrates in in a scoop with you can mix mix with your water. I was giving it to the dentist guy because he was balking so bad And then I make a little thing that that works for me. Is I take dates. You can go to Sam's or Costco and get a big thing dates and put them in a food processor. Chop them up really good at it takes oatmeal chopping. You'd make it into like an hour our at some almond butter peanut butter. Protein powder Hershey's cocoa and then I add just a little bit of a Vase Syrup and then I mix it all up into. This really ICKY gooey mess. PUT IT in a pan freeze it. Then I do a pizza cutter through and make little squares and I have one of those every hour when I'm out for long rise and that seems used to be very good because dates are high potassium which is an electrolyte. You can lose when you're sweating a lot. And it's slow absorbing carbohydrate which is really a free energy so that's just me of you know there's all things that you can find a lot of his down here like I said you heard us talk about pickle slush. She's a lot of us. Liked a drink pickle juice use with Because it's high in sodium and vinegar whatever and it helps start mind thing that we're doing something good or body it helps us and we we always try to carry mustard packets for people who hydrating cramp you may be in an area where you never cramp but if you do so from grams carry mustard packet. It'll help with your cramps if you take down about three or four packets of yellow buster. Would he put near bottles pretty much. Catering powder yeah I mean. I wish I could do that but I have to have a little bit more stronger stuff because of how much sweat when this time of year I do run. Just carry water. Wow good for you if I if it's a longer rod. I'll do on water one gatorade during the summer. It's all gatorade. Sometimes a beetlejuice in a feel kind of jealous of I will be riding with somebody who in like a small guy and I'll look at their their bike and they've got one bottle of water and that's it and we're doing fifty miles away. How does he do that? You know it is what it is. I'm my body is big as I am. I have dialed in figuring out. I need about one bottle. Every ten to fifteen miles. You know we're on the Adra so traded break even when we even when we wrote that Oxford grab a ride. It was what forty degrees when I set my Jack on the like I have been coming out. I mean I was completely so of wet and speaking of writing in the wintertime and and soaking sweat you know talking about what you wear like when I ride on insists called. I wear a I've got a thin water. Wyking t-shirt that were under where where my jersey. And then I got a fleece tied win resistant jacket. So that I don't get into the self basting modem arrive cows not as heavy sweaters. Calvin chemicals like sprinkler sometime mind but footprints with issues. But you know what's what's what's kind of your normal were Toboggan have or what are you wearing reface ski-masks type thing where the helmet as you're out robbing banks. You can just get away on your bike right exactly now. Aw the compression stuff you know have a good base layer on get the sweat away from you. Make sure you get a layer. This went through F- like moniker body against I've got about four different layers on them but they're all in the main thing I have to switch out depending on the temperature is the gloves if it's really called ride to me really cold. Oldest forty and below got some one hundred percent name brand from bicycle. Revolution of the gloves called percents the number again okay. They're really good But if it's fifty degrees and those my insulin so much that I had to take off so those type of rods I just got some mechanic's liens from lowes. Were just funding. That Blair even thought about that. A little bit of areas they're just barely breathable and they're they're great into those Kouros. The I use my regular cycling gloves and a kind of you know. Keep this in mind the ride when it's cold weather maybe forty degrees. But if you're riding fifty miles an hour you're going being at thirty mile. An hour wind chill right at BASF road. We don't get compensated for any of this but one of our arriving buddies TERMI onto a holdover mitten with expose. Thanks so you've got the glove you got the half fingers and then you can put them in the top of it and those will keep your hands license. Seen if they get if they do get hot until the mid part by yeah. Those are like hunting fishing fishing. gloves you. Can that way if you WANNA cast in real with your your fishing or you want to pull the trigger with your gun hunting you can simply pull the finger park back back. Those are really cool gloves. I wish I had a bear. Oh actually do have appeared to camouflage so we want to see your hand. You're right yeah exactly. My my problem is is not with my fingers. I mean my hands. They start out really cold but then eventually because I start heating up my fingers do get get warmed up. My problem is that it must be a long way down to my feet because I cannot stand to have cold cold feet. I mean to the point where like we've got off that ride in Oxford I was. I was limping because I could not feel the bottom of my feet. There was the thing that does help which I did do. But because we were out exposed for so long it did help the first hour our to really did help after going riding in the in the wintertime. I decided what I started doing some research. What can I do to help my feet feel better? They they got this stuff called embrocations that you rub on your feet. I have yet to get that we talked about that in one of our last podcast in that and I've yet to find some just going to be you as honest as I can't wait but I still thinking about going to Amazon and order himself something that you put on your your hands or your feet and it's supposed to can like warning warming in jail. Whatever but since? I haven't done that the other thing that I did. That does seem to work. Is You take your dry weaking socks. You put those fair on then you take like a grocery free bag a kroger bag or publix bag or whatever plastic bag that you get your groceries and you rack your feet in those then. You put a a pair of wool socks on top of that so you got three layers. You got a wicky of a plastic bag in a wolf stalking the prentice. Is the plastic bags supposed to help with a cold with the cold air. That comes up from the bomber shoes now for the first hour. My feet are actually nice intensity but then if you say longer than an hour is just like you never had anything anything on it all so new listeners out there have a cycling hat on either some kind of cool insert that we can swap in and out of her. She's that will keep. Art are tender feet being whiny little hocine battery-operated box that I just didn't want to spend the money for that. I didn't want to get shocked when I'm running. Yeah I get cold easily so I would never get the gators okay for those of you. Who are getting getting ready or urine climates? Or you're GONNA get on your trainer start doing some stuff Make sure you go get checked out. Just go bike shop. Drop your bike off. Say Hey hey you need a need a tune up you may need a full you know get everything stripped down and in relived up for for the year or you just may need just You know some adjustments making sure your brakes her or set. Your wheels are in good working order. Maybe go ahead and swap out your inner tubes. So you've got French inner tubes because just it's like in cars. The cold weather will affect your tires. tentatives they'll swallow contract dry rot and do different things on the side. Not The reason why we talked about. I'm going to local bike. Shop is yes you probably can find. I mean all three of US could sit here and agree that we can find things probably a little cheaper on Amazon but when we don't support our local bike shops that will eventually be a casualty of war and they will have to close their business. And then when you need to have your bike worked on who you'RE GONNA take it to you know so so police leave wherever you live. Support your local bike shop. There's plenty of bike shops Out there find the one that works for you where we live. There's three major bike shops within driving distance. We particularly like a one. Because it's close so close close. I mean we can literally ride our bike to it. They shall and they sell beer. Yeah but He has the support your local tax. So I'm sorry to Jimbo just I mean you know you. You go to the mechanic shop you go to your local mechanic to get your cars work done or you on a bicycle and you have a flat tire. You're doing ten fifty miles. An hour is very very very dangerous. You know if you're in your vehicle in your car breaks down you're still in your vehicle wooden if you're on a bike and you have some sort of failure. The potential of you may upright is about fifty fifty. So it's better clanking. Fun is the Bali nece. Yes the sudden stop at the mob so getting things check Jack Breaks you wheels. You know Those are the main things. Make sure that your gears are in good working order eat. Don't WanNa have a gear break in. You're stuck doc in the heaviest gear for twenty miles to get home. You may be calling your significant other or having your buddies comeback. Pick you up because you can't pedal anymore but just like you would your vehicles you know regular maintenance some of the stuff you can do yourself but I really have no problem In it's it's not that expensive to go to your bike shop and let them check everything out. You know swap out whatever you need to be safe and that way you get confidence when you're at correct. Yeah we're helmet or you Hammett and you show them obey hull of us. I have done it. I can't speak for the other two. I've I've had the crash interior. The APP AH we have wrecked and cracked their hands. We know somebody who has wrecked and cracked down. Or if you've never seen a crackdown just saying that would be your skull and you could be a a neurological ward at the hospital. Because you got dame bridge we used to not wear one when we were kids thinking back today but now I can't imagine in Riding a bike without a helmet right always wear a helmet on goofy. It looks correct. My daughter back in college today. Dad wanted to bike hers got stolen last last semester. And I said here's your helmet. And she's Daddy. I don't need to how NASA you don't need a back your college. Yeah she said that Kevin Avenues my daughter and I said maybe you're right on. Campus people are texting and not paying attention. And don't risk. It's not worth two miles an hour. You can tip over your head slammed into the concrete. Yeah and two miles or you follow over on the road and you hit the curb not able to to protect yourself always always wear them linke lights where you Blakey's Some sort of light. You know just safe safe safe safe safe safe. It don't ride. We run into this everywhere your we're seeing more. And more of cyclists bean hit because more people are taking up the activity. I won't call it a sport because really not a sporting activity for for most. We don't get paid to do this. So it's activity be smart. Don't decide you're GONNA go ride on major thoroughfares between four Ford six o'clock in the afternoon or between seven thirty and nine in the morning during Roshan are driving. Your people are GonNa get mad year. They're going to put you in harm's there's way they're gonNA they're gonNa buzz you purpose going to try to send messages and it's just not worth it find find safe places to ride a ride with groups Now it's dark makes you you lights in the summertime. Same applies people trying to get Hong. Get to the kids feed the dogs. Do Whatever whatever Dorado major thoroughfares. Yeah I mean go to your you can call your local bike shop. They will always have a list of local bike rides. I mean we ourselves have several facebook groups at announced where somebody's writing with. Whom and so you don't have to ride by yourself if you don't need to Jimbo and I- Kyle we we do? Oh you know during daylight savings time hours. We try to help with the encouragement ride where we'd lead beginners so these people have a safe environment where they feel they can learn earn. They can they don't have to get dropped or whatever so there's always going to be somebody out there in a writing community that ride with you by yourself. That's that's one thing Make sure you get a road. Id Bracelets identify who you are unless somebody on where you're at all times but mostly try to ride with other people so it's always thank. Thank safety I wear bright ugly clothing. Lashing lights you want. Everybody in a car aren't to see you out on the road. If you'RE GONNA be out with other vehicles he so you know gatorade good waters good. Be Sure to be drinking. Don't wait till the day of your ride. Just have a glass of water. Try to drink your water. Every day to keep stay hydrated good nutrition proper good carb carb loading prior to your ride is good. I'm not saying you gotTa go to the Pizza Buffet before your eyes. Because I don't WanNa oh you puke everywhere but you know maybe a bowl of oatmeal. I know you always have you always have A. US have a Bagel bagel peanut butter guy. They don't peanut butter about an hour for the. What do you usually Granola bar at the house? Oh Grandma Yeah Saturdays I just have this. One is my treat in about two hours who we have seven o'clock right. I'm get up at five o'clock in the morning have a couple of cups of coffee to pop tarts about target. You know it was just as fun stuff. I don't know what else we got. Thought about anything directly. So we're going to try to do you know we're GONNA change the format up a little federal do some highlights on local rides in the southeast On our website. I'm going to try to get a calendar up. And if anybody he has a ride that they would like promoted get in touch with US via email and we'll try to do an interview with you or send us information and we'll talk about it but there are Tonderai is in the southeast. We're based in Mississippi and they've got some really awesome stuff in Louisiana Arkansas Alabama Tennessee. You know I'm looking at some stuff in North Florida over into Georgia area. There's a pretty long rails to trails setup there about seventy seventy five eighty mile or I think and at some point this summer I'm GonNa go that's That's that's called bucket list but I have a kind of a two you. Twenty Two thousand twenty checkoff list and one of my deals is is to do five moderately long ride sixty miles or you better outside of Mississippi. Yeah there's a group that sometimes goes and they do what they call. The Katy trail in Missouri is like two hundred fifty miles. Miles of rails to trails they take Vanden railroad tracks tournament a path and they take a couple of nights. Stay at a hotel here hotel there across else Missouri in the Katy trail goes across the state Missouri. And they loved it. I'd like to do that. That's I'm above list telling the boys here before we started that I had signed up for the dirty dirty. Kansas underdog. Grab Riding Emporia Kansas. If they choose me out lottery and I'll be training one hundred riding Kansas's so that's one of my bucket list listings. I'm totally on board with Jimbo by Trying to be adventurous and finding something outside of the State Boat Bikes Bama that is in April April April liberal. You know it's a junior year the Tuscaloosa Montgomery area Actually Dogar Okay Auburn Auburn Alabama. You know come on down Might get a pitcher Bo Jackson who knows Kyle and you you're GONNA be working with your son getting thing on your your agenda. The main thing this year to double Obama Miles from the last two years and hit a thousand miles the last two years mainly because of new baby in the house. I'll have been to at least two thousand this year. The great thing about you is you're doing with your son and you're making memories with your we at John. You know outrun may a did it something as we talk about real quick. DOC is set some goals on Shraga and some other of the different. I call tracking websites. They've got a challenge. It's the two it's the two thousand thousand twenty two thousand twenty miles in two thousand twenty. Probably do that and for some you I didn't get to do it in miles but my birthday. They was in December and I did do a fifty four K.. By pride to honor my birthday we had one of our our elder statesman. c'mon on his birthday. He did a seventy five mile background. You turn seventy five year old seventy five miles that day. So you know two things one. Congratulations nations in two. I hope to God I can do seventy five miles seventy five years old. Maybe I can get a time machine and go back to eighteenth birthday excellent finish up with the encouraging word of the day so this was a a a statement by friend of mine name Limbs L. Johnson and his. It's a AH. My weekday challenge was kindness. He says kindness is the language that can be heard without ears and seen without is and so. I'm going to read that again. Kindness is the language that can be heard without ears and see without eyes so you know always make it a point to be nice to other people. That's the way God intended us to be anyway. We only have one. ESPN in enemy is Is Not anybody on the face of this. Earth is Satan himself only we have. All of us should be kind each other especially if you are a little bit more advanced on a bike than somebody else that sometimes John will bring them up into the sport. Let them don't don't push them away and And hopefully you'll find the same kind of person that gives you a pearl of wisdom or a tip or a hand up when you buy as well but just trying to make a challenge of twenty twenty to get two thousand twenty miles then if you can't but also be kind to your neighbors. Your friends people checking out at at the grocery store. Where the person next to you while you're pumping gas or sitting in the movie theater okay? That's all I can guys. We'll we'll circle back in a week or two and call center here. Thanks for joining. Sky turned thanks for joining it. Remember to subscribe to the encouragement ride. PODCAST FOR MORE UPDATES dates be sure to follow us on twitter at encourage writing and on facebook at the encouragement. Feel free to send us a message to ask questions or just say. Hey Hi until next time remember. Wear your helmet and always use your Blakey's so long for now you gotta fuel dates uh-huh juice.

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Intelligence Vs. Wisdom, the Stories We Tell Ourselves, and Staying Above the Noise During the Holidays| ASK ME ANYTHING

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Intelligence Vs. Wisdom, the Stories We Tell Ourselves, and Staying Above the Noise During the Holidays| ASK ME ANYTHING

"You're a man of action you live life to the fullest compress your fears and boldly charge your own path when life knocks you down. You get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred rugged zillion strong this is your life this we are. This is who you will become at the end of the day and after all is said and done you can call yourself a man. I had a coach in high school. He used to say need to know the difference between being hurt who injured. You can play her. You can't play agent and so you know you can see. I got a little cut right there. You say on the back of my head. You've got a little black guy there. I i was gonna tell you before. I hit record that i actually since i was in high school. I liked the scars. Man i liked it the knicks and the dings and the bangs and the guy. I like all that stuff. Because it means that you're living imagine walking around and you felt one hundred percent. Like how shitty would you feel if you felt one hundred percent totally well someone onto facebook group for the on the order of facebook group. He he said something about. I've been working out. Reg- it religiously. And i'm always store. How do i stop awesome happening. And my response was. I love being sore like i love having a great workout in the next day. My chest is super tie. Like i i do so wrong. Yeah i actually look forward to it. It doesn't help with consulting. sometimes i i remember. I had a client in phoenix. A went down there day one. I'm working that night. Found a local jujitsu. Jim and trained super hard and i got a really bad black. I like it was puffy. Swollen is just really really really really bad one and the next day i went back to that client site. No one asked any questions whatsoever. Nobody even that's weird. No because because i who knows what story. They're having right. It's like all mad last night. He's got no fight. Yeah i don't know. I would wanna know i'd be like awesome black. I like tell me. Tell me this story. I got a story here. Nobody asks you millet. Ask and i felt awkward. Gone ignore the black guy. I did that eventually. Because everyone kept like i could tell. People are distracted there. Like by like i m so then i start looking to do smart. Yeah i wouldn't. I would use that. Man i would. I bet she business with them though. Yeah yeah yeah. We did business with them. So i know it wasn't because your sales skills. So i had it been something else up for not definitely not anyways man. I like the injuries i got. I got an issue with my pinky right now. I don't know if it's like. I don't know what's going on with it. It's like it's weird. I don't know if it's dislocated or i don't know what i'm like. This is awesome. It's like two times bigger than it should be. And i love it like it should. That's how it should. That's how a man's hand. Look you know so i have no problem with it at all but the worst and in this has happened to me yesterday. I think it's because i took a week off and your skin kinda get sensitive at you. Done that where you'd take a week off and you come back and all sudden you're losing skin all over the place like your fee or losing skin because one thing we actually yes. Yes totally one thing. We just started doing over the past couple of weeks training in the evenings nogi and my knees are raw dude like the tops of my feet and my toes. They're good they're solid because i've been training for almost two years now in geese lick. They're good but i was trying to get my knees and shins are just raw. Because i feel like he's running on this thomas. Yeah for sure yeah yeah. I am not exaggerating at all. Both of my feet have probably like an inch spaces of no skin and my one foot has about four of them and my left foot has to and i trained. I trained on friday. And i got all those in one training session and you don't think about it when you train and then you walk up to the shower and you're like oh shitting saint-famille yeah you see like just like burning or whatever i get out of the shower and i'm out of that. Bandaids in my bag. Some like No so i just you just slide your socks on and go to work socks and just rob and then you go home. And you're ready to take the socks off and you just sorta leading again like more of the story. Dobrich out on training for any reason at all. So it'll you get soft last night so we trained last night and my wife was out of town. Choose picking up her sister. Who's visiting this weekend. I had my four kids. And i was like nah. I'm not gonna training because that's pretty convenient. Excuse right like were kids like the kids. Yeah i mean. I'm doing this what we call noble obstacles because you're actually doing the right thing but they're obstacles because you're using it as an excuse to keep you from doing what you should be doing something not an. I'm not doing that. I'm bringing them so them last night and him just be respectful. Just hang out in the corner and yeah. I jetted a little bit earlier. But i was proud that i got my training in with the four kids like hearing him scream and they were strangling each other. And i'm like but i got the training. It's all good. it's good. it's good for him to see it like that. That's normal yeah. It's good for them to see me. Give i ask handed to me actually like because that's really what training consists of for me. It's like it's not even even know if you'd call it training as much as just getting your ass kicked and so they're watching daegu and get like show to get my arm. Bent the wrong way and get up dude again. I have no ego at this point with jujitsu. I don't i don't and that's probably gonna get more and more so. But i don't know i just go in there and just expect that it's going to be painful and occasionally i might you know by the grace of god or the jujitsu gods or whoever it is get something that actually semblances a some sort of martial art and but outside of ashes to bunch of flailing around survival survival. That's what it is for. Sure all right man. Well let's get to some questions. We got some good ones today. Oh yeah i was gonna say it's good to see you too. It's been like two months. We actually did a podcast together. I know precisely man. Yeah it's you know how it is. It's fun you know what i mean. It's always valuable. Read these questions and think and put yourself in check when you respond to a question and in the back your head going. Yep i needed to do the hat better. So isn't that on people. Tell me that is. What makes you the expert like bro. Fueling new whenever. I make a post or my comment. I'm not even talking to you talking to myself. You need to do this because you are screwing things up so people are thinking. I'm talking to them. I'm not guys. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to myself. And you happen to just be listening to our conversations with ourselves and what we know we should be doing. You know yeah. Yeah it's like an internal dialogue in the morning of what we need to work on. Its journal man. Like i look at social media like that it's journal. I'll post something on instagram or twitter. Wherever and and guys like this is such a great thought. This is exactly neon. Like really like the only reason i wrote. It is because this is the same thing. I was dealing with eighteen hours earlier. And this is like my answer to myself like do this thing and you'll be better. Yeah said that. In the past which i really appreciated is i'm marketing to myself. I'm grabbing the things that interests me that i need and i'm just regurgitate in them. And a whole lot of guys that are in the same boat as you so it works. I mean we had a guy today. He posted something on a post that i had made in our facebook group about the podcast. I did yesterday with nikki blue and he said something like oh what makes this guy the expert or something like that. And i'm like he's done an expert and you didn't claim to be an expert. I'm not an expert as claim to be an expert. All i'm a man. And i have a desire to be better and so that's it period end of story full stop. There's nothing else outside of that. That makes either one of us qualified to tell you what you should do. These are just things that have worked for us and if you want to embrace them cool and if you don't and you think being a man means something else run on get after it. The best truly do and so many. I mean how much of being an expert is just the ability to regurgitate information. That you've retained through some other means you know that's actually that's a positive look on it. I think most experts you know that they're just saying things that make them sound important. You know it's like these people. I actually so one guy comes off. Hand is jordan peterson. ver- obviously very very intelligent. When he speaks you can almost see him thinking that. That's how i look at it. When i when i hear him speak. I think to myself this guy's just thinking out loud. He's obviously very intelligent. But one of the unintended consequences is that because he's smart and the way that he communicates really to himself but he just vocalise his thoughts to himself. That's the best way. I can explain it. People have begun to think that. If i just use big fancy words this somehow people think i'm i'm special or i'm intelligent and you have like these. These comments that. I see a lot on instagram and twitter. And they're using these words. I'm like i don't even know what in the world you're trying to say like i. Actually i legitimately have to have. The dictionary pulled up when i'm trying to decipher what it is. You're trying to say in it's weird. I don't know if it's because people want to make others believe they're smarter than they actually are. I mean you. And i are dumb southern utah town. Rednecks like maybe. That's that's an issue. That only you and i have a problem. Only what's he's saying and everybody else's you don't get this. I'm like no. I don't i have no idea what he's saying right now. Yeah i pronounce words wrong all the time but but i really think like 'cause i had this conversation with with my wife quite a bit. We have a lot of people in our in our circles. That are what. I would classify as intellectuals right. Yes yes very well educated. Very well-spoken but have lacked serious progress and success in life and use that as an analogy to kind of remind my wife that there's a major difference be from being intellectually smart in being wise and the older. I get the more i look back at my upbringing. The more i look back at my dad. That's a drop out of college dairy farmer and i started going. There's probably more wisdom on that side of the street that i've been given it credit for and just because i was able to memorize something out of a book and regurgitate. It never learned how to apply. It doesn't make you successful and it does. I know so many people that are so well educated and had zero success in life or smart doesn't even make you smart. Your college diploma doesn't make smarter. Yeah yeah so it's very. I don't know it's funny. How our society has kind of latched onto certain things to define you as like successful. But but they don't translate and listen to. I think you're dead on with that. I've listened to people especially in southern utah and we had the benefit of growing up with these ranchers for example. And this is what. I'm about to say as not to diminish ranching in it by any means but there is a matters. I didn't even know how to listen to a pot. They don't even know what it's not listening. So you know you don't you wouldn't consider this. This quintessential rancher as this highly educated individual and yet the way they say things and the way they view life is and i can't even think of anything right hand but they'll just say one little punchy sentencing you're like holy shit man you just unlock the key to life like do you realize how powerful that one statement is. And they're like what the hell you're talking about. I just. I was just castrating account earlier. And i love it. Man because truth and wisdom can be found everywhere and sometimes. It's often found a lot of the times. I think it's often found in places that we wouldn't traditionally be led to believe that you can find it there you know between the legs of a cow's your castrating cower or on a hunt as you're you're gutting a dear you know and so we got look for those things outside of academia because i think there's a lot of wisdom to be found about life that doesn't exist inside the walls of universities. Yeah and when we look at life from a stoic perspective. It's all about preparing for death and living a good life and academia doesn't really help in that area at all so i think i think it does so long as you apply it. You know. it's like yeah it's the old adage that that that I can't even think of the term right offhand. But you know not knowledge some people say well knowledge is power right. Knowledge is power when applied. That's that's the full thought process knowledge alone power. It's it's it's powerful when it's applied so if i look at for example a medical doctor and this doctor has a degree and he spent eight to ten years in formal education and then he goes out and applies it. I think my buddy jaren levitt for example he. He's he's an obgyn and he's going out and applying and he loves his life is practice. He loves delivering babies and bringing babies in the world. And mike okay will. This is knowledge applied is not just education it's actual knowledge applied. And that's what makes it powerful I see what you're saying. Yeah and and i was kinda thinking. More from the area of like fulfillment right like something that transcends our jobs something that transcends are education know an and it's more about relationships and experiences and fulfillment and purpose and look i think it why from stoicism than we would from learning something you know in general but agreed and i think that's why some of the most intelligent people that i know or had interactions with are also some of the most miserable because they're not applying the information they have these amazing degrees and they have this this incredible access to information and knowledge. And they're just not applying it and so it's a little bit like you know in a way you know being on a treadmill or an elliptical right like. You're still moving. You're still getting the job done kind of you're still exercising your muscles but you're not getting anywhere you know that and so imagine instead of being on a treadmill actually go for a run. What are you going to experience. What are you going to see. Who are you going to interact with. What thoughts are you going to have in your mind. How does the cold feel on your body or if it starts to rain and you're miserable. Do you push through and so the treadmill and the elliptical our simulation of reality. It's like no actually go out and experience but it's cold. Yeah that's actually the point. It's gold the point is that that's real life and that you're gonna have to experience hardship and deal with that and overcome that and work through it. That's actually why a one of the reasons. I like Andy for seventy five hard is because one of the workouts per day is supposed to be done outdoors. Rain snow sunshine. Whatever may be last year. As i was doing it and i know this because we're starting to get newer cold season here is. I was literally tromping around in the snow while it was snowing. And i was just like completely bundled up and yet it was significantly more rewarding and fulfilling being out there in the snow pushing through something that i know. A lot of people just wouldn't do because it wasn't extremely comfortable. I wasn't climate controlled. The ovation wasn't perfect. It wasn't perfect temperature. But that's what made it more rewarding and more fulfilling even those infinitely harder. Yeah should we answer some questions today. I don't know. I don't we call and trying to wonder if we should call it like instead of an ask me anything. It's like. just shut up and listen. Don't ask questions just lists the ramblings of ramblings that's right. Yeah i mean we could talk about. You know what we should do one day. Maybe we can do this one days we could. We could answer every single question with jujitsu reference. And that's all like this jujitsu. Ask me anything and so anything anybody asks. We always tie it back into jujitsu except in a meaningful way and you should have been way making stupid things. Yeah yeah that'd be hard. Yeah anyone that that would be hard. It would not be at all right. We're doing that next. We're doing the jujitsu. Ask me anything. And that doesn't mean have to ask questions about jiu jujitsu just means you have to ask your normal question. And then we'll answer from jujitsu frame of reference. There we go. i love. That's next may iron council questions should do it. Yeah i'm ready mad. Let's do it okay. All right let's do all right so we're filling these questions from the iron council. that's our exclusive brotherhood. That's part of the order of man movement to learn more go to order man dot com slash. Aren't counsel john. Larosa building healthy copying mechanisms to replay shitty ones cop coping sloping. This is what we're talking. I your southern utah. Draw when you say something. I'm like guys. Let me let me just tell you so for those of you who weren't born and raised in southern utah. I'll go ahead and translate kip Responses for you coping mechanisms. Say it again. His coatings building building healthy coping mechanisms to replace shitty ones. It's tough on this one. Because i don't know what you're coping with necessarily but in a very right. Yeah it might. But i think generally like let's zoom out right here. I think generally. I would say and i'm going to actually pull a page from your book. Kip on this one is what meaning have you assigned your experience. So if you've and. I'm just thinking out loud here. I don't know if this is john situation. But let's say you were sexually abused or you've gone through divorce or you lost a job or you had to deal with medical condition or you had to declare bankruptcy. I mean any number of things that could have happened. I think what most guys will naturally do myself. Included will think to themselves initially. Why is this happening to me. What is shitty situation. This is happening to me if only get passed these couple of things. If it weren't for bad look at have no luck at all and so we assign that automatically assume that this is a negative situation. I had a guy on the facebook group today. In fact he said that he was having he feels broken. He used the term. I broke and he's going through a separation which is leading to divorce. It looks like and he says i'm broken. I said brother you're not broken man like during a tough situation. But i'll tell you what even during my own Separation with my wife which fortunately it did work out for us. It doesn't always but that was a cathartic moment for me. That was an opportunity for me to get right to fix them. Things that we're gonna check and without that moment in time and it was just a moment you guys would not be listening to this podcast. There's no way. I would be a financial advisor still and i'd be making a moderate income and i'd be mildly happy. I'd be a mediocre husband and wife and that would be my life like a lot of guys are but instead i use that moment in time and and decided that this was happening for me and what was i going to do to make myself better not in spite of the situation but because of the situation you know like how can you improve so whether you're going through a bankruptcy or some some past trauma whatever it may be instead of saying. Why did this happen to me. If only my life was better in only. I didn't go through that situation than i would be dot dot dot instead. Start thinking to yourself. Why did this happen to me in a positive way. Why did this happen for me. How am i better individual. Or how can i become a more capable and strong man because of this situation now. Talk about this all. The time. I grew up without a father figure. Permanent father figure my life and at the time it was miserable. I remember when My mother went through a separation and ultimate divorce. With my my last father-in-law. Excuse me stepfather. And i remember vividly thinking why does why me. Why is this happening to me. And now look back. And i'm like on a so like rate for like you internalize that separation. You know like her getting divorced like that. You felt the impact to you completely. And i thought it was against me. I older at the time. I was probably fourteen fifteen years old and so i thought i was old enough to to acknowledge or to to make the connection that this was happening to me but i look at it now and think what a what. An incredible blessing. What an incredible blessing that. I grew up without a father. I mean i would love to been connect with my father and we were connected in in a way i would love to be more deeply connected but what beautiful blessing that. I wasn't because i don't know that i would be the same father that i am to my kids. I don't and i'm happy and satisfied and fulfilled into my life is and that's an experience of all of the situations and circumstances that led up to this. So how do you cope with it. Reframe your thought process. You're thinking about it negatively after cope after deal with the situation. No this is a blessing. This is a benefit and disguise. And it's hard to see when you're in the moment. So what can you do. Surround yourself with good people. Talk with people have gone through similar circumstances and situations as you and they'll tell you they'll show you look. There's light at the end of the tunnel. You don't see it. I can see it. In fact i'm standing in the light at the end of the tunnel. And i'm going to lose him. Illuminate the path for you. So find good people tactically. I would suggest that you distract yourself when you start to get in your mind and start to go down this path that isn't good for you but ultimately realizing that this is a good thing for you. You just can't see it yet but i promise it will be a good thing for you but or not but that's entirely within your control you do have control over what the way frame this and i think as as just some people will look at and they'll look at the circumstance and say okay. Well how can me being abandoned. Let's say be good for me right. And i would even pause and say who said that. You're being abandoned and that it's because of you. There's a there's a i. I love the analogy of rose colored glasses right like we put on sunglasses and we walk around like you know. I don't know if you've done the. But i'd like that sense it so beautiful and so pretty aside and then i lift up my glasses and i'm like oh it's a little bit more doll. Look prettier with my glasses on. But i think we look through life as a lens to when certain things happen not only are be creating meaning but sometimes that means not true as i. it's not it's not even a reality. It's inevitable kip. Never yeah. But but i think really pausing and going whoa wait a second like i'm really creating something the out of nothing year and it's an matting a lot more meaning to this then what i even should you know. And it's okay to realize you're doing it But it's it's very powerful to pause and realize you are. And i don't i don't know right. I'm actually interested in your thoughts about this. As like i used to think that you could stop it. Like i used to be in that camp of like oh positive thinking and reframe your mind and in most thoughts are quote bad and. I don't think that's true. I don't think people can stop that from happening. I think people that are effective. They are able to pause and be isn't with their thought process and then to your point refocus their their thoughts elsewhere to be more constructive. But i don't think you stop that from occurring. But i i don't know what do you think i think that generally negative and toxic people or delusional so they interpret everything outside of the context that are really is and that's what i was saying earlier is that it's never objectively true. I mean there might be a situation that is objective. Like i got any. I am going through a separation but that's not usually what we're talking about usually what we're talking about is i am going through a divorce because my wife is a bitch okay. That's that's what i'm talking to that. Subjective like that is not objectively true and so when you get into these cycles of toxicity and negatively. You're you're actually being delusional. You're not operating in reality because that isn't the reality. It's your interpretation of it and there might be some validity to it. There might be some situations that makes you think that but that is not objectively true. I think the most successful people and this is actually true in an interesting context to look at this and is survivors so survivors of major events. Emergency situations natural disasters being alone being stranded. They're very realistic about their life. And their prospects. Because what was happening is is if you're overly going to be rescued. I'm going to be rescued like everything's fine you. I'm going to be rescued. And then you don't do anything about your situation and you die because the rescue doesn't come as think as quickly as you would have hoped or liked or thought the opposite of that is overly negative. Like i'm gonna die in everything's horrible and this is bad and then it becomes self fulfilling prophecy because you're not on what you can do to keep yourself alive because you've already signed away your fate but generally the people who thrive and succeed and excel are the ones who realistic. Hey this is a bad situation. And i better be prepared and i better anticipate situations and things that are coming up and then creating plans and making provisions and doing everything i can. So they're not operating from a position of delusion they're very realistic about the prospects but then they thrust themselves into the work of keeping themselves alive. I watched this show over the past couple of weeks called alone. I don't know if you've seen it a lot of guys. Probably have and they take ten or twelve contestants and they just throw mountains crazy environment. I was watching this. Arctic environment in northern canada like super far north and and they put these people out there and there was people who were overly secure in their abilities and they were out first and there's people who really negative and down and then they lost and the guy that at one happened to be somebody who was like. This is hard and this is tough. And i'm dealing with these circumstances and here's this predator that's trying to steal my food ants and he just dealt with it in reality and just fixed like each situation as it came up anyone. That's life that's life objective. Deal with what you need to deal with and drive on. And that's why. I think you interviewed john. Kerry bishop Oh always back. And that's one thing that i really got from that. Podcast interviews walks from. His book is like he talks about our expectations. And sometimes when we hold onto the the should or shouldn't be a certain way. It almost hinders us from dealing in that reality because instead of dealing with what is so right and said look bit broke and marriage we just focus on. What's her fault. And it shouldn't be this way. And i shouldn't have to deal with this and it's interesting. Just that thought process kind of like you get stuck you get stuck with holding onto what it should and should not be like and hold onto it and in almost prevents you from dealing with what is so absent. And that's what. I love so much about about his book. Because it's so powerful whether they're surviving you or your marriage or anything else. The longer we sit there and judge hitting all the shouldn't be this way. And i shouldn't have to whatever that's a hindrance from taking action and and addressing reality. Yeah absolutely cool question. So i got through talking to as part of the and i'm not used to talking to someone like you know all right dan harrison with the holidays coming up. There'll be a lot of discussions than arguments at family gathering and surrounding social political issues. What advice do you have for men on peaking battles around the dinner table. It's interesting that he chose that verbiage. When do we voice and defend opinions and wendy. We just smiled. People talk in the name of preserving the peace eight tips for staying calm and being the bigger person when people are running their mouths yet. What's your objective a lot. Yeah what what. Are you trying to do trying to to win a debate. And in that case make everything your battle and then you can see if you can win everything. That's not what i wanna do like. I want to enjoy my time with my family. And so my mom was here Couple of weeks ago and we have a lot of similar viewpoints and a lot of different different viewpoints and she set them. Said some things that i'm like i don't agree with that at all. And you know. Sometimes i poked and prodded because i enjoy it and other times. Mom whatever i love you. Let's go to dinner and because my goal was to have deeper bond in connection with my mother. What's your goal. Nan is it to have a good time and into enjoy and be thankful and grateful for each other and spend time together and laugh and play and think about old times and think about upcoming memories and times that you guys will create or is it to win them to your cause. I don't. I can't imagine that that's anybody's goal for the holidays like i'm going to win these people over so just don't just don't i don't understand i i get. I shouldn't say i don't understand. I actually do understand because we're passionate right. We're excited we're passionate or enthusiastic. We think this will be better. Whatever side of the aisle by the way we think this will be better for us in the country and people and so there's a lot to be passionate about but ultimately what's your objective. What's your goal. We talk about analogy in iron council whole lot. Just be intentional. Are you here to enjoy time with your family or here to debate on every little issue and and look. I don't think you have to roll over either. You know kip. You and i are hanging out and you happen to say something. I don't agree with. I'd be like you know kip. I really don't agree with that but that's another conversation let's go let's go have some fun. Yeah i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna pretend that. I that i agree with you. I don't think you have to do that either. But you know i. I'll give you another example. I was hunting a couple of weeks ago in in colorado and Amal eastern came. And he and i had some lively discussions. I mean we disagreed on a lot and we agreed on a lot and we had some lively discussions. Neither of one of us got disrespectful towards each other and then we went hunted together. And there was a time to have a lively discussion in the evening about some things and he was acquitted. Acquisitive and i was inquisitive and we were challenging each other and respectful way and then then we decided to play poker. And we weren't talking about those things. We're playing poker and jack and jaw with each other about other things you know. So it's like what is appropriate. What's it the intentional. Most of the stuff. He's let it ride. You really can use let it ride. It's okay when why don't you agree that like our people have been like. Let's say dance. Objective is like hey my objective is to make a point and to convince but i think far too often. We actually think that like even if we're an amazing debaters that people go. You know what you're right brian. I'm going to change my opinion on that. Like most people aren't even they're not having the discussion with you to even consider your viewpoints right. That's always true. So i think generally you're right but i go back to this example with the mall like he shared some things with me. Then i'm like you know. I never considered that way. I still. I still think what i said. Are you in a position. But you're in a position at least listen. I actually when. I think of guys arguing with family members that a at a table. And maybe this is just insightful of my family. I don't think those are prime bribe conversations to be like no one's inputting anything right. Everyone just listening to run their mouths about some opinions another viewpoints. But so here's the one tactic that's been helpful for me. And i've only learned this because podcast is just ask questions refrained from making any statements and just ask questions. Hey kim you said something about About biden and i'm really curious like why do you think that i think it smells kids. Because they they have baby lotion honor somebody. He likes the smell. Geez here we go. I want to say something so bad but again in the spirit of this answer. I'm not gonna say anything. Okay well whatever you know like you don't even know where to go with that but you inquisitiveness is is a is a powerful skill set and you actually have to genuinely mean it because otherwise it. It's like pandering to somebody and talking down or there. Oh you catch him. Yes so you're trying to teach them up and set them and people can see right through that so you have to actually be curious. Oh that's a really interesting perspective. Why do you think that. And then when they say something weird like biden likes to sniff babies because of dot dot dot like you just said like okay. Well i guess. I don't see it the same way but all right thank you for letting me know and then i know that okay. This is not a conversation. I wanna have because we're not even on equal footing here like we're not even on the same the same platform so let's not continue to have this conversation. Yeah totally what. I'm not good at this either. So yeah i think you can shop in a way where you're asking those kinds of questions in your maybe even part of the conversation and eventually someone will ask. Because i've had this like i don't. I don't get into political debates. But i've had family members like come to me and say hey kip like why do most conservative white. What you think. Why do you most conservative. See at this way right. Like and then i'm like oh. This is a perfect time to share. That i'm not kind of shoving it down their throat. Yeah no no. So just being terry martin. Okay you're any recommendations for steps to try and reach out to other men locally to start a men's group yet. I only laugh. Because i just know your answer. But what do you think. It is Reach out and start a men's group the answers in the question. Yeah it's very easy all right. Look but i'm gonna be. I'm going to be more helpful than just that. Because you're right that is the answer and that's like off the cuff. That's what i would typically say. I'm just going to try to be a little bit more helpful here. Okay and rare. And i'm going to be genuine and nice in compassionate and understanding that it. Yeah you're helpful. Yes okay the question you just asked. Let me back up. You wanna find other men in your circle in your local area. That's good you. Should you should want that. The question you just asked every other man who knows that this is somewhat important is asking themselves the same damn question and what all of them are doing is they're like. Oh well you know like if there was something. I can sure to. Then i would show up and i would do it. And so you've got like twenty guys who could potentially be in your circle in all of them are just digging around wondering who's gonna start this. Think guess what it takes one guy who says i'm going to do this so what you do. Is you pick a night thursday evening. We're going to do study at six o'clock saturday morning. We're gonna do basketball at the church or the park tuesday afternoon. We're going to start a golf league wednesday morning. We're going to do a book club. Whatever i don't care what your thing is like. Pick your thing pick your poison. There's a bunch of other guys who like the same thing you do. Okay you got the date you got the time you got the activity and then get out your phone and you call the guy that you work with and you say. Hey bro like we've never hung out outside of work. But i know that you're also into into golf and on thursday evening. We're going to be starting up a golf league and i wanted to see if you wanted to come along and you call fifteen guys. We'll show up. Or maybe less maybe three or maybe one or maybe nobody shows up and then next thursday evening you send out the same text to the fifteen guys and you're like hey guys i know. came last week. It was good to at to the other. You know ten or thirteen guys could make it for whatever reason. Just want to let you know thursday night. Six o'clock golf league and you're going to have to two guys show up we're gonna have three and then the next thursday not to be dead horse. You sent out the same texts pay guys. We had three guys here. We had a great time. We learned about x. y. and z. And i beat so. And so. And i made fifty bucks in this guy lost fifty bucks and there was a good time. And we're gonna do it again. Thursday at six o'clock at this golf course see guys there. Let me know if you're in and you're gonna have seven guy show up and the next time you do it. You're going to have four and the next time you do it. You're going to have the next time you you six the next time ten. You have to be consistent. You have to take initiative because nobody else is going to do it. That's the only reason. I have a job is the only reason guys. I have a job because you won't do it. So when people say well right what makes you qualified. I'm willing to do it because of every single one of you that believes in an how important masculinity was was actually doing what i would be doing i would not have a job so thank you. I guess but also just take some initiative. Find something you're interested. Pick a date beacon system regardless of people show up whether or not they show up and just do it every day and every week or whatever your your time schedules and continue to invite. Have the guys invite other people. It's not hard. I mean it's very very simple. It just takes a little bit initiative and a lot of consistency and you know what look if nobody shows up to golf league on thursday night. Are you going to be disappointed because you get to get around a golf. Or here's another way tap into what somebody else's already doing so the guy go back to jujitsu. I know the guys train on monday and wednesday night. Guess what. I do on monday and wednesday night. I go train. That's where the guys are like. I don't ask them to accommodate me. I don't wonder when like people are gonna fooling me. Cool hang no. That's where the guys are. There's ten to fifteen guys hanging out training beating each other up time learning. And so i'm going to just assert myself and it feels awkward especially the first time you go. You don't know anybody. They have their own culture and their own inside jokes. I don't get this or whatever but you just go and then you go again the next week and the next week and the next week and eventually realized oh you know what i'm part of the i'm part of the guys is not hard guys. It just takes initiative crate on your own or go or somebody else's already created and i want to reiterate consistency consistency consistency consistency. If you do it once nobody will show up. You'll have this weird expectation about what it should be. You won't meet your expectation be like oh no. Nobody cares this stupid. What if i said that the first time i ever did in order man podcast. I had whatever was sixty people. Download the podcast mike. Oh will help them. Six hundred people. How come six thousand people will know about this. And so i said up threw in the towel. What will my life look like. Six years down the road if i would have done that. Be consistent. take some initiative. Create it yourself or tap if this is even delays your ways just to tap into what other people are already doing. And that's good too but those are the two ways to do it all right. Jj dr doolittle sovereign asia's. It's either jared jared. I think jerry dilawar deal deal deal. I need to ask you nj. Do r. j. Sovereignty is there a dichotomy between being a sovereign man and following a system like the iron council. That takes a book of myself. You cut out a little bit. But i think i got the gist of that. You're asking if there's a dichotomy nothing it's there's a dichotomy between being sovereign than following a system like ours or the book sovereignty. There's no dichotomy there. There's no discrepancy. This is actually a one of the questions. I get a lot along. The same lines is how can you be a sovereign man and also believe in god and follow in his footsteps. They're at odds with each other. No they're nausea at all yet. They're not odds with each other. Because you get to decide and just because you happen to follow a particular system whether that's a religious doctrine or the the the book sovereignty or or the iron council. It doesn't mean that you're relinquishing control over yourself. Because at any time you decide to walk away or decide that this isn't going to work for me or decide to take elements and leave others. You still maintaining your sovereignty so guys. I'm not interested in blind allegiance and blind support from you. I want you to question whether this is gonna work for you whether this is going to add value to your life whether what i'm telling you is true or not because if i wasn't encouraging you to do that you could bet that i'm a scam artist to put it mildly to put a nicely. I want you to challenge my thoughts and see if they fit into your view or vision of of your own life. So there's that look. Are you telling me that. I mean this is how i liken this. So here's my battle. Planner all right so every day. I go in and i feel this. How are you telling me that. Because i have a system that works for me that i'm less sovereign lesson control of my life. No i'm actually taking control of my life actually using my sovereignty to find systems and codes and processes and the band of brothers that are going to actually serve me and my needs. And as soon as i recognize like if i was doing this battle planner here and i began to acknowledge and recognize that. This was no longer serving me as a sovereign man than it's my responsibility to get rid of this or to tweak it in a way that's going to serve my best interest so guys. I don't want you to think that again. Whether it's the religion discussion or the iron council discussion that just because you happen to band with other people or you happen to decide that a certain way of looking at life is going to benefit you that somehow you're no longer sovereign because what you're saying is that you're telling me that if you go to church you're saying that because you've decided to give your life to god that you're no longer in charge of your own life. I've never understood that. I can't understand that. Because at any time and i wouldn't do this at any time i could decide. No i'm not gonna take this path of god still much choice. God's given us agency. I've chosen to follow those footsteps. It's almost like a level of victimhood where people will go okay. Well i'm a member of this church. This is what i believe. And then when when they're that they kind of like were there's kind of suggestion or an approach. They'll go well. You know. I hate that. I have to like well even use language. A half to do this. Or i don't like that i have to do that. And you're like when did you join something. Throw up your hands and then be a victim of it right like no religion should ever be that right when we when he believes something we should believe it and if there's aspects of it that we struggle with we need to figure out why we're struggling with it and so make a conscious choice to follow those to your point not blindly and it's not because like we should be in at least in my opinion not that we should be suspicious and be overly concerned about things but you should be bought in like. You shouldn't do anything by line lee. Why because you should be bought into it. You should understand. He's name for it so then that way. You're doing it for the right reason and not doing it. Just because you're asked to resort. it's a it's almost like a form of laziness and lack of critical thinking when we when we had those scenarios. Come up where we're like. Oh we're going to blindly go along. It's it's because we're being too lazy amore. Actually not getting bought in and do the necessary thought process to understand why we're doing those things and why we why it would be beneficial to us. Yeah i think you hit the nail on the head when he talked about laziness not much victimhood. I just think it's easier to follow somebody else's system and think like this is the way you do. It is it. Yeah point yeah. I mean i've got two words then really it is and i know jays not lazy. I know him personally is not a lazy individuals. I mean he's asking a good question that a lot of people bring up and contemplate. But nobody's requiring you to do anything now. If i was forcing your hand you know. I had a gun to your head and said jay. You have to do it this way. Okay now you're sovereignties taken. Now i strip you of your sovereignty because you're under threat of death to be part of this organization. Okay now you're and if you acquiesce to that you have voluntarily given me your sovereignty by the way i'm attempting to take it and you act you've given it to me but you're no he's holding you jay. Look you call me tomorrow and say hey ryan i hate everything you stand for. I don't want to be part of this. And i'm out. I'd say you know what. I wish you the best on your path. Good luck and i would genuinely mean that that sovereignty. You've decided to be here. Which means that. You've made a sovereign decision to be here. Yeah what's your take on like. I you hear this every so often. The colts right people like all. He's part of this coal. Whatever and sometimes when i hear that i'm like they still have control of their own mind right like they're still like make something that someone else would classify is a call. And do you get what. I'm saying a cut out again. I think we're having internet connectivity issues. Hold on one second. It was a dumb question anyway. Totally i'm going to give you a actually heard it. I was pretending that. I didn't just to give you buy. That's a good strategy. You're like you know what you broke out next question. Let's cut that out. Let's cut that one out. I think what you said is you were asking about. Cults is what you're asking about. Here's the difference. I'm not lying to you. I'm not manipulating your emotions. And i don't my motives are pure. That's the difference like you're not here to serve me. You're not here to ensure that this thing is does what i wanted to do. I'm here to serve you actually. I'm here to give you information and tools and resources and guidance and direction that will serve you and you're under no threat. You're under no no. I can't think of the term but you're you're just not under threat like there's there's no consequence to you not being part of this. I'm not threatening down. Not fred threatening your livelihood. I'm not holding you here by force so coercion and that to me is what a call would do right. Manipulate you coercive force you strong arm. You play with your emotions. That's not what i'm here to do. So yeah i mean if you could take elements of a cult like you believe like cult for example. Charismatic leader like all colts have a charismatic leader. Hitler was charismatic. He couldn't do what he did if he wasn't charismatic charisma loan. I didn't make that quite amazing what he did. If you think about it. Like i mean that's not the right. He but i know what you're saying. Not amazing a good way. Yeah yeah yeah. I know what you're saying amazing nonetheless. Yeah so if you extract elements of coulter elements of a movement. That are negative. Then yeah i guess you could. Maybe like in some of that stuff to what we're doing here but if you look at it as a whole man yeah and just to clarify my so. My question was really around. Like people not having sovereignty in re in regards to colts. And and i don't think you lose your sovereignty just because you're still making a conscious decision you know if someone was following a call like i don't understand you know what i mean like. Sometimes there's a sense of like it's a call you lose all freedoms and you won't know that your you you're not controlling your money. Yeah you can still make a choice. No no you can. But the problem is if you're making a choice on flawed data or flawed input. Then yes it's still your responsibility. I'm not absolving you the responsibility. Yeah but if somebody's manipulating you to the point where you're not making decisions with all of the information at hand. Then that's a problem. Yeah that's a genuine problem. If i was lying to you. And i was i was making things up and i was keeping you here and sheltering you from from certain information or input from other people. That's a problem. It's still your responsibility. I'm not saying that. But it's a problem on my end that i'm not giving you access or allowing you access to all the information assuming that because you're an adult that you can make your own decision. I think that's the difference so these people who get caught up in colts. Yes they're they're they're not. They're still responsible for their life. And i don't know this. I'm just saying this anecdotally. I imagine that a lot of these people are very weak minded people and they're very easily controlled or manipulative. Imagine a lot of these. People are probably damaged in probably have interpreted. Some of their life is being traumatic and that they need somebody to rescue them. And that's a problem. Because then they make themselves susceptible to a charismatic individual who does not have their best interest at heart and will shield them from the information that could possibly serve them in order to force feed information that they have selected to get them to do what they want to do. So there's a problem on both sides when you're talking about a colt colt behavior. Yeah all right grete homes. My mother listens to your podcast regularly. She has reached out to my wife and his asking how to handle my my other sisters left leaning views of masculinity. It seems like my sister's appreciate my actions. In my example that i sat but at the same time they believe men who act like women are truly masculine. Would you suggest doing anything else. Besides setting damn good example and showing my family what sovereign sovereigntist produces sometimes that seems passive versus. Maybe going out of my way into having discussion with them on the topic. I mean i might have a discussion about it because it sounds like maybe. They're intrigued or interested in it. So i might talk about that. I wouldn't get drawn into a battle because you might as well have the discussion. If it gets contentious maybe you bow out and say hey you know school. I just wanted to share some thoughts and sounds like you don't appreciate them and that's fine. You don't keep doing what you wanna do. But there's a scripture. I don't have the scripture reference right off hand you guys will know better than i will. But by their fruits you shall know the by there fritzy shelby. So what's going to happen. Is these feminine. Men continue to live their lives in feminine manner. They're gonna produce less than desirable results for themselves their families or communities their businesses in every other area they show up and people will see that and interpreted as weakness because frankly it is not to step into who you are and they'll look at the guy across the street or in this case you the other family member who's bold and strong and courageous and assertive and has a set of skills and leads his family effectively. They'll think that's a real man because by their fruits that they shall know you so you just continue to produce. You continue to leave your family effectively. You continue to raise good sons and daughters. You continue to inspire and lead hand in hand your wife and they will see it. They may not see now. Because nothing's hard right now. Yeah we can either way with that way. yes i know. We're in the middle of covert and everything else but nothing's hard which is nice but also we're not exposed. It's like warren. Buffett's thing that that a that a rising tide lifts all ships. I was warren buffett that said that and he also said that when the tide goes out you get to see who's naked the tides in right now once that tied goes out everybody will know who's exposed and who's vulnerable in it isn't gonna be you and so in times of prosperity men and this is what i talked about the book sovereignty. I said that in times of abundance and prosperity were put up on the shelf. And it's like that that that whole idea of of in case of emergency break glass here so men are put up on the shelf because we're not needed are masculine. Energy is needed in times of prosperity and abundance. Who do you think created that. Now when shit hits the fan and everybody scared and things are going down what do they do they run to the wall and they break the glass and they pull out the real men not the men who were feminine. Not the men who don't have a set of skills. Not the men are who we can. Cowardly they can get away with it in an easy world but in times of emergency they're going to break that glass and call upon you and that's common guys that's coming that might be an isolated experience within your family or your extended family or it could be a cultural or national or even international event but that time is coming and everybody will know who the men are and who men aren't and you'd better find yourself in the right category in the only way people are going to see is by your fruits and they're gonna think i need to be around that guy because that guy is gonna give me what i need which is safety comfort security prosperity. The people the things that people are looking for when they don't have it. Yeah kelvin jones. I've recently decided to take the role of mel role model in my three nephews lives. I don't have any kids myself myself. And their life is a wreck along with their mother. My sister and the other family members. I traveled to work so i don't get much face to face time with them. They are always staying with my grandmother. My mother and my sister and never have any male interactions. That's positive. where should they start. I have plans for weekly zoom calls in my battle plan and i call and text everyday to have topics of conversation during the week. But i'm out loss of where to begin the process of trying to portray to them. What becoming a man is all about. Since i never had those lessons growing up either so you guys get learn together. How cool is that. Did he say how far away. He is from his nephews. No he didn't. He just says a limited face to face time so he's having to zoom calls and text unless you're unless you're geographically not in the in the area i would say screw that bullshit and go pick up your nephews and go do some things together with them like go to the basketball court. Go play tennis. Go to the jujitsu. Matt's get physical another weekend camping totally go on a hike. Whatever safe telling you to be reckless but be safe but go get him. Go get them and and manly with them. You don't have to know this stuff to expose them to experiences. You know like maybe you've never shot a gun in your life so take your three nephews to the shooting range and you can learn while they're learning that's cool and by the way i'm not saying that you have to shoot a gun to be manly. I'm just saying that that's an opportunity for you to learn for them to learn and they're going to draw so many lessons on that experience. Outside of zoom call. I mean basically. You're a schoolteacher. Right now no. No boy wants to listen to a schoolteacher. You gotta get in their face. You gotta get in there grill. You got you gotta choke them. You gotta you gotta wrestling. They got they got. I made a post on social media time ago three years ago. And i'm like we like loud noises. We like things that smell weird and something else. And i can't remember but you do that. Get them around loud noise. Go to go to the racetrack better yet. Get him a bike and teach them how to ride a dirt bike. We like loud noises it smells. They smell the gasoline. I mean look you. Even this like you're sitting around and you're just barton like literally farting and having a good time. That's more engaging experience than being on zoom call with them because we like things that smell weird and it's funny and then you can have conversations and you can laugh and you can play. And that's what boys are about in society doesn't want you to do that right. You have to have manners yet to be quiet. You have to be respectful yet to be you have to. You have to color within the lines and and cross your legs in and say you're pleases and thank yous and there's a. There's a time for that sure and there's a time to rip the loudest fart you ever have. There's time to try to make catch the most air on on a dirt bike that you ever could. There's a time to blow something up. There's a time to try to choke each other out. And all of that is being stripped away from our young men and they're asked to behave like girls and what a shame so. Go get around loud noises. I wish i could remember what the third one knows. It was loud noises. Things that smell and i don't know something else you'll figure danger or no sure risk past risk not. You're not going to be reckless. But there has to be an element of risk to it. That's what makes it fun. We said jump ramps all the time when the kids and it wasn't until we decided to put glass down where you might wreck that that that got more enjoyable all right you're gonna get impelled if you veto clear it you know and it's better and you know what i bet. Some of you didn't clear and you wiped out and you have cuts and you probably still have the scars to show it. Look i'll give you an example. I don't know if you can see big. So i can't pull this windbreaker up here right here. You can't see it. But because again i can't pull my windbreaker it but right here i've got four hours. Yeah it's like an inch long scar just above my elbow. So when i was a kid growing up in peru in utah we had this This hill that we'd go behind we called it crimson hills because there was a little It must have been some some apartments or something right below this hill. It was the best tubing hill and all apparen- and we'd go. It wasn't long but it was steep. And so we'd get my buddy. Kelly stole he'd go steal tractor two tires from his his family's ranch and we grabbed his tractor tube tire tubes and we would. We would go up this hill and we'd hike to the top of the hill where one day. We had this incredible idea. That like six of us should all get on this tractor tube at the same time all piled in and i got in first and then my buddy cody. Jad stolen truman. And all these other guys we all get in right and the whole idea with crimson hills is that there's a stop point on the hill so you get at the top and you slide down in the snow and then when you hit that tree. It's like a juniper tree. Y'all say bale bale and everybody else free. No because at the bottom of the hill. There's a barb wire fence so what we would do is we found this old car hood and we said so so we don't kill ourselves. We're going to put this car hood in front of this fence. We're just gonna lean it up so if we hit something we're not gonna defense but we're going to hit the car the middle car hood the metal up. We all pile on this tractor tube. We get on the top like all right go and we launch in we're cruising and i'm having fun everybody's smiling laughing and we get to that tree and everybody's like bail so everybody bails on the bottom. I don't have time to bail man. I hit that fence so hard. And i went through the fence and i kind of like came to and realized what happened and i was literally hanging on the other side of that fence. My arms were stuck the bird wired. Call them at close arms. Were hanging up and my legs were hanging up. And i was hanging on the other side of that fence and i kind of like navigated pulled myself or whatever and i had this huge gash on my arm and it took months to heal. They said i said oh man. Should i go get stitches. Like i don't know put some ice in it. Maybe it will stop bleeding. And that's exactly what i did. So i grab some snow and i put some packed with ice or snow. The wound with snow and yeah. Stop bleeding i guess. I don't need stitches. I still have the scottish show. But you know what i love that scar 'cause that was fun and that bonded us and that's something that's being stripped away both literally and figuratively from society and we're weaker because of it were weaker because kids don't get hurt my mom. When i was younger she would send me out and she would literally lock the screen door of her house and she'd say go find something to do and i don't always bitch and moan like an hour i wanna watch tv and say no no no go find something to do and then before long me and my buddies will go find something do i remember. We'd ride bikes all over. I shot in the back with a guy who was on. His property got shot in the back with assault pellet gun because he didn't want us property he didn't hurt us but he shot the shop salt pellet gun and then we would we'd climb on people's houses men we literally climbed on people's houses and we had gi joe's and we'd take napkins and we'd find string and we tied little parachutes and we're on people's i don't even know who's houses we're on but we're on their houses and we were throwing our guys off and seen it. The parachutes we built would actually work. We've robbed our kids of this opportunity to grow and experience specifically boys to grow and experience into live life and worse because of it. It's so sad. And so i'm getting off on a tangent here and stuff but at the end of the day. Get off zoom. Okay go pick them up. Go shoot go wrestle. Go play go explore. Get a get a a paper guns buy four of them go by four paintball guns air soft guns and buy some masks. I wanted to be safe and say. Hey i'm gonna give you ten second headstart load on you. That's the when. When i got my air soft guns because we got him for our events and you've done that with us skip the first thing me and my son did as i said all right. Let's go test these out so we went and put our mass on. I'm like i don't know. Stand twenty yards away and so we stood ten twenty. And i shot him. They shot them right in the kneecap and he dropped and he's crying so he gets up pissed and he shot me right in the dick and we laughed and had fun and it was fine. And we're better for it because we bonded and have stories to tell and this is what you need to do with your boys kim. Out of zoom. Get them out of the classroom. Get them away from girls for a minute and just go be men which at times a stupid and silly and reckless and maybe a little dangerous certainly an element of risk but just co experienced. That's what they need from you. All right blake gan many times as men. We take ourselves too seriously. I believe that most of the time we should be taking ourselves. I believe that most of the time we should be taking ourselves seriously but of course there's always a time in place so with that said what are your thoughts and ways for men that can lighten up and express some humor in etc without losing too much of their seriousness or without being stiff. Perhaps practicing humility would play into this. I think i just answered that question. Yeah i agree. Just go just go have fun. No agenda like just go shoot each other. Just go wrestle. Go play just go. Don't worry about what's the lesson that's being learned here now. Magic got fun totally. Yeah i mean. And that's that's been a breakthrough for me this past year where what success looks like is it like i feel good but i come crossed stiff and boring and too serious not fun and then i think my kids my my kids. Don't want to be around me eve. I mean they're not like. Oh i look up to data because he's still productive any unity takes care of the no. It's because i'm enjoyable to be around and it's dead. I run into that fault very easily. Where i can get things done and not be fun to be around like those are usually conflict. So i'm hey. I have to remember that a lot. So here's an here's a small example. Because i like giving these examples because then people can see but the other day i went on a walk with my wife and kids and one thing my wife started doing and i know but she started doing as we go on our walk. There's little point where she stops. And then all of the kids they race from one point to the other and then she times him so my youngest one and then my second third and fourth and she times a mall to get that next point and then so all four kids went and they're standing there at the end. And i'm like hey well my turn. Mis like are you going to go on like hell. Yeah m- to go. Like i want race and my kids. Are you going to go down. I'm like yeah. I'm gonna go and i smoked in my bloom out of the water by the way i rubbed it in. Their faces not mean but like fun and all like just down a little bit and just have fun like you don't always need to be the pillar of masculinity in the beacon of the household with this stoic. Just go out on. You guys know how to do it. My kids bring that out for his. It is and i look. I'm as guilty as you if not more so of that serious tone but like get around kids like get away from adults and just go get around kids and just play just play. Yeah yeah it's very easy to act like kid if i let myself. It's good like the other day we did. We built that in our barn. We built that police system. Did you see that. Yeah where you're you're lifting your kid up really high. There's a lot of trust happening. Because i thought they got a high of mike. We better let him go a but it was fun. Yeah and we built this. There was a pauline or barham. Like let's use that and let's get a rope and we put at the end of this robe my son's tires on there and i'm like okay so we threw one tire on. It's not heavy enough. He's like three on their three was way too heavy. We'll we'll do to like you. Just go that's all i can say. Just go have fun. It's easy and it's funny like our kids pickup stuff from us. Like sometimes when i crazy. They're like dad. This bill start. Like tell me i shouldn't do. You know what i mean. And i don't see that as a good thing i see that is like we're not having a fun like when you have fun. Were often. because they're there too reserved you know regards to what we're doing. It usually results in car driving church parking lot with a six inches of snow and all my kids are like this is so dangerous. Am i gotta care. You get the driver's let me show you how to power slide. That's right that's right. That's right charles charles phillips as someone new to the ic and someone with a lot of liberal friends. What advice do you have for navigating. The three piece in social circles that is in disagreement with the concepts and consider them talk toxic. Get new friends. i'm just you know. I think that's actually pretty good advice. They're not. I mean i don't want to jump to conclusions here. What are they in line with how you want to show up. And what's important to you right. And if they are cool. And i'm not saying everybody has to agree on everything because we have friends for different purposes. You know. there's people that i have that. See things politically different than me. But we don't talk politics. We enjoy a different type of relationship and we can hunt together or training together. Whatever and that's the extent of our relationship and it's all wonderful but the idea that you. I don't even know that this would that. This should even be brought up unless it's just like over the top blatantly obvious that they're like picking out you and poking out you and in that case it's probably not serving you very well otherwise how this even get brought up. I have liberal friends. And it's not like oh. That's my liberal friend. And i know i don't even know 'cause we we don't talk about that stuff. We talk about other things and it's fine like report. So polarized and we're so tribal and i just don't think we need to be there so if if there's some situation worth negative and it's not good for you then i think your advice to find friends is dead on but if it's like no i don't talk with this guy about politics but i enjoy everything else about relationship cool. Enjoy everything else about your relationship. But again they're going to acknowledge they're going to see if you stick around the council and you do everything that we've showed you and you in you you believe in the system and you tap into what we're doing. They're going to see improvements in your life. You're gonna start losing weight. I don't know your situation but you're gonna start losing weight. You're going to start being a better leader of your family. You're you're probably gonna have more sex. Which is gonna show. You're going to get promotions. You're going to be more confident. They're going to see that and be like world is going on with this guy and then you tell them they're like what really. Yeah really and then one of those friends is gonna actually ask more questions. And he's going to realize that what you're doing is the path and the others that don't care find move on or you just limit the type of relationship that you have and that's good too. That took all of your friends. Don't have to be everything to you. There's certain guys that are just. Those are my training partners. We like to train together and we don't hang out outside of it. I see him every monday and wednesday night and we go train and we go hard and we enjoy it. And that's it and then there's other guys ryan daggett for example we'll train and then he'll come over on the weekend and he'll come shoot buzz with me and we'll we'll have a good time because that's our relationship and that's good too. I don't expect that every interaction. I have has to be my best friend i can compartmentalize and have it where it is kip. You and i were never going to hang out outside of this podcast ever l. No but on this podcast absolutely absolutely on the over the internet. We we hang out for the internet. This is a zoom relationship. Only all right tyson junkers last sky in the ics last one last. Do you believe the more we avoid conversations about conflicting subjects. I e trump versus biden and blm versus cops coveting sandra. The more divisive insensitive. We get we always talk about facing our fears. But when it comes to touchy subjects most of us would rather avoid confrontation and hold in anger than to take it on. I love to start having healthy conversations about subjects people who are typically trying to avoid you can only have healthy conversations with healthy people. Yeah there there's no of emotional maturity that you can bring to a conversation and change the tone for somebody who lacks any sort of emotional maturity so if somebody comes to you and i've got plenty of people in my life who come to me and we do not agree and yet they have a high level of emotional immaturity. I've talked about a couple of here on this podcast and we talk about these things we can do it respectfully and with with intellect and with knowledge and we can challenge each other and ask good questions of each other and it's great because we both have a level of maturity and there's other people i would never talk with any of that stuff about so it's really just about deciphering. If this is a person that you can have this type of conversation with or not and if it is cool have the compensations and if it starts to go south maybe ease up on the conversation because sometimes it will even with somebody respect. A conversation could go south. And you're like hey you know what kept like. Maybe let's just change subjects man. I i really respect who you are. I don't want to get heated or emotional or be upset with each other. Like i appreciate the dialogue but you know maybe we ought to cool off for a minute and then you go on to do whatever it is. You're gonna do but you have to decide who's who you can have the conversation with an canton and there are both types of people and everywhere in between what am i. Favorite moments before one of the meet upset. We did it was. I think it was nashville. The last day a group. There's probably fifty of us. That went out to breakfast that morning. And the conversation like we're all kind of 'cause it's interesting all kinds of sent by tables near each other and towards the ended. That breakfast is some guys. Filtered out there is probably twenty of us kind of circle around a booth and we were and discussing and none of the topics. Were still safe. Toss eighths yes and it was awesome. I it was so awesome. I was like you know what this is. What discussion looks like this. Is what logic and critical thinking and controlled. Emotion looks like and it was it was inspiring and it was a it was a reiterate iteration to me and the reminded to me that like how valuable it is to be around high caliber individuals. That are healthy in this context dry. And what the iron council at this podcast. The order man. What kind of individuals we have Amongst us and it's it's so cool. It's so cool. Because i feel like even in icy we we. We have some tough topics only you know and and and disarm easy yes. Yeah and i think. In order through. -freshing yeah i think in order to do that you have to have some some courts speak here. Some sort of common purpose or objective like an iron council. Were all trying to improve ourselves improve our lives. And we're actually all rallied behind that right like everybody who joins and the guys who don't like the way that we do it they leave but all of us are are wanting to improve ourselves as men and so we can have conversations that aren't quote unquote safe. That might challenge our own perspective but again it's all in the foundation of improving ourselves and there's been times where i've had to remind guys. Hey look as we're on the same team raw trying to do the same thing. We're not always going to agree. I don't expect that or even desire that. But let's do it respectfully because we are on the same team and we have to continue to work together. Those are hard conversations also have online. So that's one. Caveat is like in person like you said that event in person is always better always better because you can see the nuance and you can see that. Human being for what he or she really is as opposed to the bottom of the the ones zero zona the screen toy or actually. 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Resident Evil 8 Rumors, PS5 Speculation, and More! - Beyond Episode 628

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Resident Evil 8 Rumors, PS5 Speculation, and More! - Beyond Episode 628

"This episode of podcast beyond is brought to you by Netflix is behind the scenes. PODCAST Beyond hello everyone. My name is Jonathan Dervish. George Bush and this is podcast beyond episode six hundred twenty eight yes. I'm bringing the energy from the beginning so WANNA quieter at the end of the show. People don't mind I'm your host Jonathan Nervous of weekly playstation Asian. Show here celebrating our wonderful six hundred twenty eighth episode with a star studded cast. If I'm reading the show correctly I start with the person to my right Mexico. Bill you startled me just trying to keep you on your toes. Heavens also here at Rhino town of beyond there. We go and Tom Robbery marks because he's currently investigating a robbery in the office. Low of a tail. Yeah missing tale from a statue. Don't blow up the investigation. There's a tale missing from somebody and it's it's a long story on and off. It's it's it's a whole ordeal. Yeah bulletin stealing a statue tail sift the Great Wolf from dark souls. Somebody's still put it back and then they take it away again. It's driving me. It's a long con. We're pleased to work also. According to the Russia we have crank gets. Let's McDougal cutty. Is that correct. Yeah okay or cheese lawn puffer Kevin Smell Mente Taki Corcoran and Murphy. What about Phil mccracken Padma Grind. With every time they called in sick Before we start the show I did want to say thank you to everyone who wrote in On last week's show we put out a call for a new segment that we WANNA do highlighting some smaller details and games that we all love and so many of you wrote in. We seriously got dozens of responses as soon as the episode was that we were getting responses in which is incredible because it should take you at least an hour to listen to the show but thank you to everyone who wrote in. We'll definitely be reading a few of those for the end of this week. Show so stay tuned for those and continue right those and we'll get all the information of how to do that and do on a pulpit comment. I'm GonNa pull that up later in the show as well because I wanted to start off with a few bigger sort of topics that we could discuss for the week. Obviously playstation five news still hasn't happened. We still don't know when it's happening. We've got nothing to talk about so there would probably be speculation all of this but the first thing I did want to talk about is something we know is actually happening. Happening soon. Is Dreams is launching on Feb fourteenth and before dreams is in its full release. Obviously it was an early access for I think roughly about maybe eight nine months or so since early last year. End In to celebrate everything that's happened in the game. So far media molecule put on in award show the first annual. MP Awards this happened. I believe last week is when they hosted hosted these or earlier. This week I fold name choice. It will be. It's the character in the game but yes it probably brings to mind some out yet. Everyone's favorite game were. You make your own character I would love to have entered. That contest is not out yet. yes this is obviously for everyone who's been creating in early access and so I just wanted to briefly bring this up because has obviously as we're getting into dreams full release will be talking about it more but The categories included most helpful dreamer which went to neon the coder best curator the underscore community star project genesis most improved dreamer SD RU and Lodhi underscore double best visuals. Also outposts sixty best voice. Acting Celts beat Jones. or Go back with us. What was the for the for the role of it doesn't say the role? Oh Oh thank you. Sheriff dog in pig detective to that that was a classic role. I cannot wait to play trips us that you guys played pick detective one no. It's all Choi Baker which was amazing but for this guy to come along and take troy's place. Yeah it's impressive. That's I mean that's no small. Excuse excuse me Kelvin. Jones is now taking over on retro replay for Troy. That's true take all of his work The other Troy's doing pretty well The other the things that were nominated there if I may the performances where they came from opposite day five computer voices collection pick detective Halloween special and which he would i. I love dreams so much. I gotTa Watch this Best character was Frederick. The Fox from Cody Barry. Three three who beat out ruckus anesthesia. The Messenger mayuge Roger Roger White Beard and Bo mazing. That impey wasn't very scary. Favourite countries look hung up on opposite day. Five if you watch opposite one through four you'll understand. Favourite Streamer was project genesis. The AW award for cutest thing is color with crayons funniest creation which she woods best Song Rivera daylight best sculpture. The collector to best animation by duet and creator of the year was slur. Learn Mackenzie also best gameplay cubic by the underscore Burger van and there are about another half dozen more awards which which is all to say. It isn't saying how much has been created and dreams and the game isn't even officially yet. Yeah I know we haven't really gone a ton hands on in the office within outside kind of those of us who've played a little bit of early access but I think something we've all had an ion maritime accretion pops up on our feet or like how did so and put together. It's kind of how have you felt all about like sort of the pre release version of dreams of it. The way it's been. I think the community was doing which was trying to make the most realistic or just the best English breakfast in dreams. Oh yeah and it was some of the most it looked like final fantasy. Fifteen food beans on toast and sausage and bangers and Mash and all that stuff so what I love about that as it's very art school where like a teacher comes in and gives an assignment to the class and then everybody has a different interpretation of it like we got assignments that all the time and in art school where they would be like. Hey Go home and draw the devil in some people would be like they'd rather dad and other guy withdrawal like a literal devil then people withdrawal like the like the New York City. It'd be like wow. What are you trying to say there and they'd be like I'm trying to say that I painted this for a different class? But I'm double dipping. I mean it makes sense. That man was me. Did you paint New York. City is the devil yes and passed and now I'm here her to make you to governor but no it is interesting as this thing of I was thinking about it before we start recording. The show dreams was announced with the. ps four this has been part of the PS floors lifecycles. Since it's revealed that's insane in some form or another and it was all these. Ps Four uh-huh dreams Beta is on the way dreams releases on the way and we kept getting these delay stories. The laser is actually here. This is the first major AAA sort of first party exclusive for the PS four. This year and I was I was Razan those awards a little bit but at the same time I do think it's super cool. Eight of media molecule to honor its fan base in the fact act that they're really making the effort to not you know it's not just like here's our favorite thing. It's a bunch of different things in some very real categories is very very cool to me and it also also I think goes to show the scope. What's impressed me in this early access period? Is that the quality of work has improved so much not just the game image proved but like what people can make with it and it's also proven how varied things can be right. You Have Sculpture Song Game. There are all all these different categories. Where it's you really do print things I think? Medium molecule does have a really cool sort of responsibility here almost to to elevate the best creations coming out of their community because they're probably seeing more than anybody else's because they're looking more than anybody else's but I think it's something that we should all kind of be consciously consciously digging around it and looking for like every I think every video game website youtubers and everything should be should be focusing on what what people are making in this in this game because it's it's it's really really really special and media molecule elevating. That stuff is the difference in for a lot of games between the game Being loved at launch and then just going away leaving forever right like developer support like that will give this huge extended life beyond even if just the tools are really great so we we poking fun at the little bit but like this is really cool because it's them talking directly to the community. Yeah like this isn't just like Cherry picking a bunch of kind of impressive looking creations and being like. Here's why you should buy the game when it's out. It's them being like hey. Let's actually give some feedback to people who are really active in the community. The fact that like the second third down is most helpful and best cure here. It looked for to really recognize that people are not just you know creating things or ridiculously talented but also just involved and yet to actually kind of have that dialogue with with yeah. Yeah it's really interesting to me in dreams. When you first started up at least early access version I imagine will be somewhere in the full release? It says like hey you couldn't be a creator you can be a curator you can be a tester essentially and you can have all these roles and we will reward you for diving into those roles like we are not just going to reward the people who make things things as great new amazing as those. Are we want the people who are part of this community and bolstering the community as a whole to really feel a part of it too. I think it's like this. This game does have the potential sort of transcend just outside of our circle of hardcore gamers. You look at stuff like minecraft and like there were videos. That went viral. Coming in Migra for somebody would be like I made like the Millennium Falcon. And it's lifesize her. I made this Mount Rushmore and its life size whatever. It is There there was we. Max I've worked with publishing companies that have made minecraft are books that are basically just like original art in those games that they've sent to press arrest and then mailed out to people. That is a book you can put on your shelf like I think I think dreams has that potential. Oh absolutely especially with the fact that it can be. Here's an the album I produced in dreams. Here is a series of short videos I made here's a TV show. I Made Dreams. There's so much potential there. and seeing how media molecule continues to bolster that I think the community stuff that they do not just with the MP's but week by week our follow a bunch of the team. There and people like John Beach. And I'd be happy who we had on the show last last year and so many other people as part of the team are constantly interacting with fans answering questions being like. Oh you made an awesome thing. I didn't know you could do that in the game. I'm going to now try making something because I saw what you did. And it's just this amazing fan feedback loop that I think is unlike most games we see these days. Of course we're going to try to be covering more dreams as we get especially closer launch and everything there's a great piece recently up from Simon Cardi from the UK team if you haven't read that Basically about his being bad at dreams dreams is still fun and sort of the process of not being the best creator but still having a really android time with that. He was really getting into a volcano. Yeah Yeah it's Absolutely worth reading his experiences with it so far. I think we're definitely going to dip into that sort of storytelling. What dreams and from the community itself? Obviously we've highlighted Dan cool from the facebook podcast beyond group who meet A. PS five dream concept of console design that then a bunch of random fan sites picked up his leaks of the PS five. No yeah so many. Dan is funny because I was falling it in the facebook feed had the funniest twenty four hours after I posted his screen shots on Jan.. Because so many sites would just pick it up and be like is this the PS five. It could be it. Looks Pretty Real and it. Didn't they read the art. They didn't know they didn't all. It's funny it's gotta read the articles guys. His creation creation has his name and his company's name on it. We don't know if he has five won't have Dan calls name and it's true that'd be really weird for him. If they reveal that thing and it just says is like Dan. Cool in the corner say that and they're like no it's the second. FCC thing ignore it. Yeah Tory about to be fair. That's a really good name to put on on the thing. Yeah cool. Dan Cools a cool name. Yeah the Dan Cooling vents on the PS five. Yeah they really get the job done speaking of the PS five. I want to talk a little bit speculatively heavily about the PS five because since we last met and convened for the meeting of the podcast beyond not really much. ps five news has happened. We're still waiting. We're still waiting for something. But but one of the things that I keep seeing pop up and I thought we could address a little bit. There were not necessarily writing about on. I is this the strong belief that on February Harry v Playstation. We'll be revealing the PS five at reveal event because people keep saying on February fifth or. It'll be five reveal event. I want to put this out there. Because right right now Sony has said nothing about the. PS Five right when they're gonNA show it off what capacity. They'll show it off at first. Obviously they won't be three so it's kind of up to their schedule and calendar but there have been and a lot of rumors and speculation about early February because the PS four had that early February reveal For for transparency. That is eight. That would be eight days from today. Yes yes so. If they are doing an event where they're inviting people probably WANNA start inviting people by now. It feels like one of those rumors where a wick. It's a rumor equivalent of like a wikipedia media footnote just being a link to the wikipedia. Page you're reading. Yeah where it's just like this reclusive thing like people have said it enough that suddenly it's common knowledge and there. It must be true. Clark we could also be wrong in the a complete surprise thing our yeah. I got cyberpunk delayed Jinxing. It is most likely that as soon as we post the show. Two hours later the playstation twitter account will announce a February fifth avenue but As of right now that's not happening and really Sony can dictate whenever they WANNA show us anything about the council because their information so far has been a CAS reveal of a logo interviews with wired a couple of playstation blogs. If there was any kind of event happening happening somebody would have taken a photo of this of an invitation or something. Yeah Jeff Healey's we're we're going to get those tweets. Whenever there is an event we'll start? Seeing people take photos of their invitation. But I wanted to bring this up to ask. Do you want. In event February. We were all talking about this on the show for a while before the announcement of we assume they're going to do something in February because it just makes sense to ask the same pattern but they're very different rulebook this time playing a close to the chest chests I will say I'm sure all of us have worked events or trips or preview preview things. Where the turnaround time is this quick? Yes where you kind of come in on a Monday. And they're like what are you doing on Friday I don't know and they're like Brussels That happens but I don't think I don't think it's happening that soon but I do think it's happening. Do things happening in February. I think something is happening in February. Yeah and I don't know what I don't think it's going to be. I think it's going to be like a series textile rollout where we'll get probably a little bit more information than that and But not a ton was at the. ps four were. They showed the controller off. But we didn't see what the console looked like for like seven months. Yeah the controller came at the reveal event. But the KONTA wasn't until he three but that was so funny the jury a bunch of journalists on skateboards in air quotes. I went to New York and went to the to an event where I believe there were systems but they were covered in tarps. Something like that so I'm trying. I'm trying remember exactly how that work because I know there are photos of people holding up controllers. People were playing Games yes they were running off of light. PC hardware at the time very possible. There's a big. There's a big controversy. I think it was three that year where somebody like opened opened one of the booths and they were like that. It's not xbox one in there that's a PC. Yeah Yeah so what do you think what do you think they make the Games on. They don't make it on an Xbox game boy color like Dev kits but yeah no. It's it is a very interesting pattern we're GONNA get into whenever like. Oh it's is it a playstation five out in the wild as we've gotten with Dev kits but yeah I mean in my mind. I think playstation should do something early in the year to start drumming up the attention again but I did want to ask in terms of. Do you think they're waiting waiting at all because they do. Have these big triple eight games for the. ps four still to come and they don't want to muddy the messaging in any way last of us with ghost with dreams. I I don't know if that's necessarily the K.. Yes just because these games have so much hate using this word but inertia on their own right. There's already so much kind of excitement for them. Removed from everything else. I think people can be excited about both at the same time I think honestly and I'd like them to do something in February two and I think it probably makes sense that they would at some point early in the year. Like you said the the trick to me is that I don't think that they at this point have any pressure on them like like you said they could be. They're playing by a totally different playbook right now and in a weird way Microsoft has shown more of their cards and now they can wait until they're one hundred percent ready to to respond right. Microsoft is shown off off the controller and to a certain extent and the system like the way it looks and all this stuff and so they can just make sure they're totally satisfied with it in away that they can respond right or they do that so the thing about that though is that Microsoft has the freedom to do that because Microsoft is not having the swansong year. That Sony is half yes. Microsoft has has begun the sunset what the xbox one is game pass will be alive and kicking. They've announced that all of their games will essentially be day one games on the series so there won't be any exclusive launch games. Sony has jam packed the final again. SKATEBOARD air quotes year of the PS four four with tons of gigantic exclusive games. And so what they have to do is not only sell those games to people which is pretty easy because some of the most incredible looking games ever made and But also sell one hundred plus million. PS four owners. Who are happy is helping these brand new games that hey you don't just need that you also need to go spend five hundred dollars this November and a brand new thing and that's a really really tough thing to do? I mean people like us. We're going to roll into the new generation and be like I'm buying it because I need to buy because that's it fills the holes in my my head or whatever but then there's other people who are like I'm good. You guys gave me a like. I'm still playing my Christmas presents. You know like you guys give me a really really good final year here and so. I don't think that they're worried about that. They made that bed and that's something they decided to do. And they'll have to work with that but I do think at one point this year they are going going to have to figure out how to take one hundred plus million people over here and slowly or quickly moved over here and that's really hard to do when they're making them more and more comfortable bill to tell everybody there's a party across the street and the bigger house in the united. Dora charging it's five hundred dollars and everyone on the couch and they're like getting drunk and having a great time uh-huh comfy man. I don't WanNA move and so they're gonNA have to figure out how to do that. And that's that's a really tough thing to do and I think that you can't do that until you have enough cards on the table to show so if you have no launch games lined up if you're all that with just a controller which is very different than when you went from the PS three to four controller. That was a big jump pretty much. That's right you'll shocks going from the dual shock to the dual shock. Five based on the leaks. We've seen who's he's just like a little thicker you know. He looked back in the after college or older under. Yeah so they're gonNA need more than just like a PC with tarp over it and a chunkier controller and then a couple of games. I totally agree with with all of that. The thing I think the difference there the thing to specify there is. I think you're right that that affects new consoles. I don't think the. ps I think that affects me is five. I don't think that the PS five effects the new games as much right. Like I think that what you're saying is more likely which is that. The new games run a risk to the PS five then the PS five running risk to hurting the new games. Right yes right I guess I respect the hell out of that. Yeah in terms of you're seeing a little bit Actually I question when you skateboard. Are you constantly making air quotes. I'll tell you it's a few years. But in terms of wanting to when they deliver that message they need that message to deliver like a small piece meal thing of like. Oh maybe this is a reason. Maybe maybe not they WANNA show as much as possible to really convince those hundred million people. Do you think the silence is okay. Then I think right now it is. I think it's totally okay right now. Now I don't think anybody's staring at their. ps four right now being like just diary you know. They're not there's just so there's so much going on like we're getting we're about to kick into a new year I'm not gonNA knock on wood but there's a bunch of games we know are coming to us for. They have confirm release dates their exclusive. They look effing awesome. I'm really excited for them. It's take your favorites and the release dates they. I'm not doing that knocking on wood. There's this has been. We were trying to figure out if there was anything in twenty twenty so far that has been moved up and I I think it's like Vulcan and winter soldier. Yeah and one division. Yeah yeah they got moved up one. Division was GONNA come out next year now literally. Everything else got delayed. OBI WAN got delayed delayed. And so yeah. I think that they need to come out and they need to go okay. You're can do all this and it's awesome but this is what you're he has five can do and it can do this so that your ps four can't do it so needed they need to drop like a Banger of an exclusive game reveal and go. This is what you're playing on day. One we're not just going to be playing. You know last Gen game Sunday one like we did assassin's creed black flag and stuff like that like they they need they need some big exclusive bangers hangers on day one on ps five. It'd be a really bad way to reveal it. They took a page from the Arkham Arkham Book and they just revealed one button at a time. They were like the X.. Button it's back three weeks later circles there to your else. Yeah and then we just have to wait a month for the square to be sure. Yeah I I would hate that that. It's very interesting. I totally agree. I think they need to really when they decide to show the five they need to show it off and it can't just be the they've talked about. They're going to be at hundreds of events this year to talk directly to people. I think you can't reveal thing at each event like I think it does have to be at least initially a big like coming out from the do you think we're we're GONNA see in the same way that sort of the xbox series x is like it's it's keeping the xbox family going and sort of really reinforcing that backwards compatibility side of things we know. That's a huge talking point this generation Asian. But do you think there's going to be a lot more of like this. Is less obvious going to be called the playstation five. But do you think we're going to see a lot more sort of like. Here's the playstation brand. Here's the the playstation family of devices we've Kinda playstation VR. which is its own device? But it's never it's never playstation four. VR and I mean we got the playstation for pro. It's confusing it's Kinda messy could be better but I could definitely see the kind of thing where we get kind of dual reveals for games where we don't know if we're going to see games dropping on. PS Five that are like at launch. That are also community as for more or less the same game with less bells and whistles and Tesla and ray tracing or whatever you know. I I hope I hope so. I think we might see that but if we do see it. I think it will play out on a much longer timeline. Xbox and Mike Microsoft did that with xbox right it stopped being a game console name and now xbox just their brand of game things and it's on the xbox one and kind of everything is just under the xbox flag. I could totally see Sony doing that with playstation especially as they start doing things like horizon on P. C.. Is the rumor or is the rumor. Yeah and like if they if if they start kind of moving that direction of let's get a little more platform agnostic things to or whatever have you which I'm not advocating for. I'm just saying if they decide to do that. They could be trying to play that game. But I don't think that's a thing that that will start in holiday twenty twenty so the thing is again. I don't WanNA keep dunking on Microsoft here but Microsoft is doing doing that because they have to because they spent because they spent the last. How many years coming up with bizarre borderline just incredibly cumbersome knbr some naming conventions for things like the three sixty and then followed by the one and then the one s and the one acts and other series x and the essay say the Xbox all sad all digital right and so it it makes it makes sense for them to jam everything under one roof with one name and they go okay? Let's let's forget all that other things. This is just this playstation they drop a number every five or six years. And that's a big thing much simpler if you look at the pro. That fit right into into their family. Line perfectly right like I didn't think they had like didn't have to like Vanessa didn't have to come out and be like. Oh this is what this is like. It was just explained it was like here's A. PS four pro. It's a PS four. For but it's a Pro Yada but then look at the PS Vr. And right out the gate like a system like that. which hypothetically you just plug right into your? ps four and it would work Had had connection issues with the pro in terms of pass through it used last Gen charging cables for its controllers. So that's that's a family SORTA OUGHTA but it's like a messed up. You know some of the kids. Don't talk to dad anymore. Yeah I guess. What I'm picturing is one of those kind of like sort of chipper upbeat? You get going into holiday stuff where it shows you all the hottest games on playstation and it says something like play best on. ps five or something. Like we've seen we see that word. They show a trailer for something. And it's like playing on playstation four. Pro You know. It's it's one of the things that wants to reinforce that we're definitely going to get stuff. That is exclusively on playstation five. But I can't help but feel like we're going to see if the backwards compatibility is happening the thing where they're using essentially essentially current slash last Jan Games to be like. Oh sell the new stuff right. Yeah I think we'll absolutely see that and excuse me a little bit to Tom's point I do think we're gonNA see broadening of like playstation as their brand and so they are going to be okay marketing a game for four. ps four pro NPS five at the initial launch. especially as they try to in a different way or at least in a different impetus get people into wanting to play on playstation because if they are moving things they will want people to play playstation games on PC but eventually come back due to the PS five. Yeah I see playstation moving in the direction Microsoft has because I think as much has had to do it like you said Brian. I do think it's a smart way to run the business sure. Yeah I think playstation will move there but I think maybe not begrudgingly but at a much slower pace until they're forced to because right now they have seen. Success is with these standard traditional way of doing it and I don't see them wanting to change that dramatically but I do think they will realize. Hey we have one hundred plus million people who own a PS four. We can't forget them even as we try to get them to the PS fall. I mean the there. There's going to be one hundred twenty one hundred thirty million of those things in the Wattana. PS fires ready to go. Yeah I honestly think that like they're going to look at that and be like what worked here and I think a lot of a lot of that is simplicity. And that's why the more I think about this the more. I really think that there's only going to be one playstation five in November only going to be one skew and. I think that they'll do that. Because if they are lagging in power or a little bit they'll make up for it with with an exclusive game library and they'll also make up for the for the fact that they know that people like us in a year or two will grudgingly. They dragged that box to game stop or Amazon and trade. It in for the new thing and I I also on that same note I think that the PS four. We've talked a lot about trying to get people over. PS Five five today. But I think the PS four is going to have a sort of Nintendo we like situation but we're still seeing ps four ports. Six years from now. Well it's also Imagine Mashed Justin Twenty twenty seven is coming to ps four imaginary here. I imagine appears before and he has for pro getting a significant price drop at black Friday this year and next year. Yeah well I mean this past year in two thousand nineteen you could buy a PS four with Spiderman Horizon and God of war for two hundred dollars. Yes well yeah. It is amazing which. I don't know how you go lower than that. Yeah but you do yes. PS five is out to that same bundle at least one hundred fifty dollars the easy you can go crazy one hundred dollars but I was saying it with family this weekend and my wife's cousins was like you know she's like I was going. I was going to be crazy or this new consoles coming out. And she's like she likes names but isn't hardcore into it and she's like should i. Should I get A. ps four still. And I was like you should absolutely get a PS four. Yeah it's there's no hesitation to be like I recommend this without question to anybody. Oh yes a massive library it rules. There's so much school stuff. It's I mean it puts four K.. Like it's it is up snuff. Then what is the five going to do. And I'm like no idea I don't know what to tell you know it's going to be difficult. I feel like to recommend that I mean that's caused more mass with any new hardware but for people are going to come up to us going to socialize and be like should we got the new thing and it'd be like I mean what are you. What are you GONNA do? Yeah like appears appears for pro is is powerful machine still and answer those questions. Yeah that's the type of thing where you're totally right. But as we've been saying they have a lot of time to answer those questions jeans and they they hopefully get some of those answers soon. Yeah but I ought February fifth if not February. I hope we get some sense of where we're going soon because it. It is a lot of lingering questions that don't get me wrong. I can't wait for this year on. Ps Four so much look forward to but as both a professional in the industry and as a person who's been through so many council introduces fan. I WANNA know why should get A. PS Five Yeah Right. I know what's coming. The only thing we know is when we're not getting this news that's three yes but even then we could they we. We just know it won't be happening in that theater in the Convention Center at the show floor. So what will happen. The same time as Microsoft's e three showcase that would be so. Oh so eft up it would be it would not them. It wouldn't matter to why that would be so catty. As healthy Soviet counter program would destroy everybody and they were like aren't we have a very special through presentation the exact same time and then it was like the the grossest Ashim afloat guy just came back reprise raucous. Hey don't talk about the flu guy. You don't understand art I don't that's true is what we were called out on last week but were hate flutes. That was the the big sticking point for you. Did you spend any upper you. It is a funny instrument though right it is. It's like a hose that you poke holes in its great flute shade. It's a long thing anyway. before we get to the PS five. I was mentioning dreams as one of the first big upcoming. ps four excuse me I must mention the announcement of PS for exclusive coming out this week in fact a day after the show will drop on January thirtieth pat. Ponto remastered is coming to your. PS Four. Finally Greg Miller can rest never heard of it now. You haven't heard of PAT upon now. It's because you blocked greg as I did. Yeah Yes there should be some sort of like loud industry veteran who championship Game Multiple Times a day for the better part of a decade seven seven hundred and eighty two days. I think he asking. We'll understand what's happening in paddock. Ponto if I have not play PAT upon one Tom. I don't think anyone understands what's happening John Time. They've played it. Yes you will take full advantage of my playstation pro hardware four K. is a full four K.. remastered of the two thousand the SP game For those who don't know pat upon them GonNa try to. Can I full screen this note pad upon is a rhythm based action game and my guess is the best way to describe it. You're it's like it's kind of like a rhythm. RT almost but side scrolling rhythm which is a bunch of words. Yeah it's you. Press buttons in time and each button each of your face. Buttons is a different sort of like instrument or noise one button is pat and other on his phone was Chaka and and you do these. The entire games on a rhythm like a beat with the music and you enter artists like attack commands or defense commands by replaying different like series of four notes with the different buttons. And then there's four beats of those executing and then you play four more so if you want to move forward with your troops you do. Pat Pat Pat opponent. And you have to keep doing that and you get combos for keeping on the rhythm and it's actually just an absolute delight probably pat opponent to is one of the Best Games on ESP. It is just the top of that pretty impressive library It's really up there and it's super weird and cool and exciting that it's finally coming to I to ps four. I'm very happy for all the PAT upon to fans out there especially Greg also totally feels like one of those throwaway softball e. three predictions. We would make go three predictions okay. Tom Hearing it was announced years ago. Two and a half years ago when the first one came out that this one was pretty close behind and then it just went away and nobody knew what it was impressive. Nobody knew what was happening. So it's it's a longtime coming. Yeah it's very cold and it is a thing where they didn't need to a six month lead up to the reveal. Reveal Patpong to remain For I'm glad that it was like hey this week this is coming out. We know you've been waiting here. It is Greg debut the game play from it. They played that on kind of funny. So if you WANNA WANNA see some of that right now go check that out. But Tom Hearing you describe this the game makes me realize by Greg. Just yells the title of it. Yeah it's it's like awesome rhythm based action puzzle or were you command trump. He's just like Panapa. Mike Okay I get it. That's the gameplay. He's playing the game is he. Does that I I. It's a fun nice way to start out. What is actually kind of for as crazy as your is relatively slower for later? It didn't get laid January thirty second. No the this episode of podcast beyond is brought to you by Netflix. This behind the scenes. PODCAST if you're familiar with this you may know that this podcast takes you through the process of going from script to screen season one to deep dive into the inner workings of stranger things now in season two. They're pulling back the curtain on the witcher starring Henry Cavill in a weekly multi pert miniseries. You're no doubt familiar with the game. Which of course takes excused from Andrew SAF Kofsky bestselling books? And so. 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Essentially that it will retain the first person Gameplay Ari seven So we're we're getting our the three which is based in the classic style of that game. It's not a chain similar to. It's not changing verse Person Perspective. Do you guys. Obviously I know we have some big resin evil fans on the panel right now. Are you excited to have another first person entry. You didn't get the best part of this rumor that the dude is coming back coming back even Yossi fans coming back hunt Chris. Redfield might make an appearance Ethan will return the protagonist classic Resi character. Chris Redfield Hong the big the real big ones coming where wolves where will swear wolves where wolves should becoming where will like enemies. Excuse me like throw yes will apparently becoming. And how do you guys feel about this as the Pie. Love where wolves so this has gone too far. Why every other edible at this point in the sand where we did sharks alligators guerrillas birds plants? I don't like I don't like dividers Scary rustic old farmhouses so I'd too cowardly for the for seven. This sounds great it also suggests will see Werewolf like enemies proper zombies in a female apparition. Who Chases you through castle and village environments? Max that sounds like ghosts and goblins give yourself some credit. Sounds like horse APP. When resident nevil seven came out? You had watched maybe three horror movies and pissed your pants through all of them since. Then you've watched tons of Har- movies you've beaten resin evil to you beaten resume before you. You're playing through bloodborne. I think you're not afraid anymore. I don't like that Stew stew on the disgust office. Have you ever looking at pot in. VR YOU WANNA throw up in there not play that game in Vr does too. I've heard like struggle back. Welcome to the family. Saw Sir No. That's a great game. two-thirds are a great game. The first thirds. It's been the buddy buddy. Start coming out of the ceiling and you've got to fight them on a boat or something at the end of that game really could the US. Where were you thinking about? That game is like sort of mostly we did like one. Let's play and then stuff that I've overheard you talking about. Like I got the gist of it. I guess I got it is genuinely you like one of the scariest games especially for those early portions that have played in a long time and is great into someone who is a relatively nascent fan of the series. I've only played a couple. Oh pretty recently I really liked seven direction with Jeff where they could continue taking it especially with the track record of two and what we've seen of three so far it feels like they're on a bit of a roll with the series. Currently that game handles claustrophobia. Incredibly well seven. Yeah yeah in. Terms of locking unit contains space and making. Can you fight someone to the death of five. There's a boss fight in that game in like a ten foot by eight foot garage guys driving a car in a circle like they can't kicks ass. Yeah it's great. It's sort of captures in one again. I've played recently but it captures to me the spirit of the original resident evil in terms of like. Here's a location that you really getting the hang of one. It is focused on the small set of houses that you're in getting various have and it really gets the sense of like I'm becoming really familiar with the layout at these places. I'm learning how to navigate properly especially when more powerful enemy start to. I really hope this new game takes place in an office building and you have to go through floor-by-floor and it's like a little die. Hardy like self contained like you said like the resonate will seven kind of fell. Apart when they left the main area were the game took place it kind of jumped the shark in one in a couple of different direction sort of office environment would gel with the Castle Village Environments Aware Wolf Office. You never you never been to office in roundtable pizza corporate headquarters the whole time. He Ireland I even. This is the funny thing about this because even if this rumor is unfounded for whatever reason reason I think just betting on there being resin evil eight is not a like a risky bet with how good seven wise and with how well to performed in three remake is coming out and again. That's an easy three prediction. We'd make just to be safe because yeah yeah exactly so. I think that's definitely interesting. One of the things is when back before three. Two three remake got announced. We did a poll on June dot Com. That was like what do you want the next one to be. Whether it was like three remake or resin evil eight and one of the questions. The answers was resonable. Eight in first person or is Neva late in third person and most people wanted his knee will eight and most people want to receive late in third person. So it's interesting to hear might be sticking sticking with I. I don't know obviously just. Our poll is not the entire world but it. I'm very interested to hear you're going to see how that looks. And why that is and maybe they're keeping the remakes third person and they're making the main line first person is very funny to me. I really appreciate that. They're willing willing to kind of juggle. Both perspectives at once within this series. Do you know what they're doing for the first time in resonable history they are no. They are successfully satisfying On every side of that fan base yeah instead of taking parts of it and Cherry picking them and putting them together in one sort of disheveled amorphous dwarf his beasts like resonate will six. Where like you like Har you like call of duty no not true? I mean there's there's the whole multiplayer side of three. Yeah they really are checking all the boxes now. If only there was some sort of crisis of dinosaurs we I know I feel like. I'm glad Lucy's not here because she would make me right this feature but like is this the best era of resident evil currently like should these are aid. Rumors proved true and it is a strong premier. I feel like between seven two and and now what we're seeing of three like. This is one of the best eras of the series kind of. Yeah I mean none of these are on the level of for sure but that was like a general time for the series that was was a fluke incredibly rare it is to give a development team like infinite resources and time to make twenty five hours single player that that doesn't happen anymore. Yeah ever ever. Obviously we don't know too much for sure about resin evil ape but we do know Ari threes coming in April and so we'll probably have plenty more to talk about that series as that a release approaches whatever comes afterwards but I hope it's rules I do WanNa talk about though what we do know is out and are currently playing. Obviously some stuff has come amount including some reviews that have been done for better or worse for some of us on the panel. We'll we'll start with better with Tom. Yeah I read I read Kentucky Zero which is finally finally finally finally out on consoles now that it is a complete five act game it took seven years from the first twenty. Thirteen thirteen eighteen might have ended twenty thirteen thousand six years. Yeah it's it's really great. It's a really lovely weird point and click visual visual novel hybrid. Sort of thing Very good writing really really lovely graphics plays really well the controller. I played through the entire thing on switch Because that was the code we got but it. It handles very nicely on controller which was really pleased about because point and clicks don't always but there's very little pointing and in clicking click you kind of prompts for most things it's much more dialogue heavy yes is lots of dial a lot of the game and it's choosing dialogue and that does that impact impact the story your choices. Did you feel or was in no basically not like this is. This is the thing I said in my review is you don't really get a chance to influence the actual plot not the actual events of the game but you have massive influence over the story you read. So there's just tons of branching in dialogue to pick from and go down in different directions and picking something generally locks off the choices. You didn't make for that run right. You just keep moving because it's a natural conversation Asian And that's really interesting because it means you're hearing very very very different things even if the places you're going to order you're going into them is generally really pretty sentenced on not entirely sure. Yeah but for people who like you and me who've been waiting to play off I've acce because it's out finally finally together as one complete package when I want to ask you. You feel like it's pretty worthy. You given eight right. Yeah I give it an eight. Yeah this is the funny thing about our our new scale gail of only being ten in not having decimals. It'd probably would have given this like eight even if we had one hundred point scale. I like the. It's it's funny because when you have episode game that's been released over seven years. The first two accidents that game were made in two thousand release in twenty thirteen and they feel like a adventure game came from two thousand thirteen right. This is it's it's certainly starts on a slower simpler note for sex are still. They're still interesting but it definitely gets better as you go through. Because they're kind of the time they put in in the design sensibilities age with the game and with the acts. This why does it get like puzzle at all or is it more just conversation based. There's almost no puzzles in it. Yeah do anything but just talk to people or is it kind of. It's kind of really just a h pretty much that you you make a lot of decisions and you explore areas but you are essentially always exploring those areas to find dialogue right. That's that's sort sort of the whole thing of the game is you're you're exploring to have conversations or to learn story or whatever you will there. They've deterrent really any puzzles. How do you? How would you say the gameplay changes then you mentioned this earlier and I was curious about it instead of changing kind of what you're doing you change how you do it? So this is something that I it. Took me about eight hours to finish the whole story. And if it had just been eight hours of just reading dialog boxes as the first couple of acts sort sort of our. I wouldn't have been entertained or captivated the entire time but with this game is really good at doing. Is shaking up the form form in which you pick things. So between each actor interludes also and those interludes are very very weird in experimental strange. Like one of them and I won't get into story stories. Spoilers here but one of them. You're watching a play like a theater. Production from the perspective of an actor on stage. Who doesn't have any dialogue and as you look around the area? You're in like a three sixty view. You can look at different things. And then that'll like if you look at the actors that you'll start reading the dialogue dialogue and if you look over at the crowd you'll read a snippet of a review from a critic about the play that came out the next day. And then if you look at another thing like if you look at the Jukebox in the corner you'll get like thing of like liner notes. From the script of sound cues used in that scene of the play There's another one where you're actually elite juggling enact four I think it is. You're juggling to dialog boxes at the same time and they influence each other so it gets weird it gets. It's not just straight visual novel that that sounds that sounds pretty. There's an entire scene. That's like an over an hour long. Where instead of playing a character you are a cat and you're just running around listening to other people's conversations rather than participating them in yourself and that's why I was really really interesting? Is that every time it shakes things up. It's just kind of gets you back into it and it's just like a fun. UNCREATIVE thing one of my favorite scenes in this game is you're watching someone sing a song and they're singing the song it's voice straight. The music in this game is lovely early and they're seeing and you're picking the first line of the verse. They sing to you in real time as they're singing it so you get a dialogue option. While they're are singing at you you pick line and then that's that influences. What the next verse? They'll sing it. You is and that's the exact same thing right. It's just dialogue. Options is picking through them but the way it's presented is just so cool and weird indifferent. That's awesome yeah really lovely. It sounds like a really fascinating thing that I've heard so much praise for over the years and the way that approaches purchase story. And I'm glad you liked it to someone who just jumped in right now as well. That's going to be my experience not without its bumps Aebischer. It's rocky here and there but the patient can kind of like suffer at times haimes because there's moments where you'll meet a character randomly and a gas station and you'll like just talk to them casually and then they'll tell you their whole life story and you have a dialog tree with them where you like. They didn't know human being do that sort of thing right. There's a lot of that Arno. That's the people gas stations who just kind of go fair and I have A. Maybe you haven't been Gas Station Yeah. I gotta go but but it's it's still throughout all that even when it gets rocky and pacing. The writing is still great so it holds up. Step your full review. Who is an agenda? And there's a video review as well check out you've also just quickly wanted to be a mention been playing F F seven I e original. I should I went back to final fantasy seven Kevin. I'm replaying it basically for the first time in like ten or fifteen years forgot a lot a lot about it and just kind of preparing for the remake getting getting ready and now you have an extra. How do you feel about that? I'm excited for how much they can change right and it's still holds up as a game. It's still very very fun but before I started playing it again I was like how are they going to. I five hours of final fantasy seven into a full game and then I played through the first five hours and I got through the mid section and I was like. Oh yeah they could. They could easily make this a whole whole game. 'cause like the very intro Mak- reactor seeing that everybody remembers and loves this. Intense action scene is four screens. Right like that's a extraordinarily brief section. And they could make that to our dungeon a three hour dungeon and you wouldn't wouldn't even baton eyelash at it so I'm excited to see what they change and I'm more excited for the structure. They've chosen after having replayed it. It'll be really interesting to see those comparison point especially as someone who's been playing at fresh. Max We can't let a week of the show go by without mentioning this game. So what are you playing. I'm playing bloodborne. Spider is finally dead tally. I phoned a friend. I used a lifeline and then somebody named after Lafi from one piece showed up and just whoop the spiders acid like a heartbeat. Just deeply anticlimactic. Because I'm just like Oh. That's just picturing that gummy pirate who dresses like huckleberry Finn showing up killing the spider and then it's like waving and ghosting and I was like like I was. I was stuck on that for like seven months. Like what am I a now. I'm PAT pass it and others new things that are killing. You're stuck on. Everything is scarier than ever. So it's great at some point. I'll beat that game win. That will ever happen but you know as you get closer to beating it. We should maybe livestream that Brian. Have you been playing anything. It just as guests. I've been playing bloodborne two or more and also nowhere to here. I you guys know on the show. I've been doing this thing over the last few months where I feel like I was dating bloodborne and I was like I need space. I'M GONNA go date other people and I did. I played the field for awhile. I played I played dark. Souls three I played Ashley. Ashley played remnant. I played lords of the fallen. I played got the list just keeps going and they're all great. I had a lot of fun with so many of them. Some of them. I finished some of my and I just went back to Bloodborne I. I have not been able for whatever weird reason to connect with a single piece of media in twenty twenty I haven't been in love with any and TV shows haven't been crazy about any movies. All the Games. I've been playing of just panic kind of a and I went back to bloodborne and I'm just madly in love with it all over again. My boss asked me at lunch the other day it was like. Why don't you talk about? What are you love? It so much and I was like because every time I play that game I go in with a new character build. I I start with a new starting weapon. I find different weapon in the field and upgrade that and I played a little bit differently every time and have a slightly different approach and the more I think about that game the reason I love it so much in so many games miss. This is that the world feels so lived in if you'll so like it feel so realistic when and yet the to Henrik with all the witches twirling around and they're all sort of dancing in the middle of this sort of like little weird park with like charnel lane okay. Yeah and there's an what that is but that's what they say. Yeah and there's a giant just like this giant decrepit statue and all. There's like weeds growing out of the the walls and stuff. It just feels so beautifully Dan. It's so horrifying. Everything is trying to kill you. Cons Love Lucy says about that and it's it's not so much that it's lived in it. I mean it's lived in a very a present sense where you are trespassing. Yeah hunting in this. You're in this place where these witches are trying to have a nice his time on the charnel lane doing stuff with the burning dog or what hanging out not weeding. Apparently and then you show up. And they're like what are you doing here. Get the get out of here you have to chase you with their sticks six to rock set you. There's also there's magical sort of incidental storytelling that happens. Every time I play that game that is not part of the plan. You know. It's not part the Laura it just like. There's this character name Eileen. WHO's this like horrible medicine? Bird woman who hangs out on the balcony. She's a lot scarier than she sounds. Because I mean sounds like a woman and you know what would knock on your door and taxis midnight runners something. What are your thoughts on Elizabeth? Warren you're like thanks. I lean the Eileen stance on his balcony. And she it can destroy you and early on in that game. You're not strong enough to kill her. But I- lured her onto these sort of planks hanging over like a two story drop and she fell And landed at the bottom had basically no health and I went down there carefully and slowly and I took a bunch of that like beasts lowering blood juice and threw it on the floor and whipped. All these crazy rats that's into a frenzy and they started jumping on with your big fat gnashing teeth and their fat asses and they're ready closed and legs and they tore apart real good. This is jumping on her and she died. I went down. I got her her badger. They now they sell me your clothes so I can dress like Eileen now and it was way too soon to do that. Who needs therapy when you have flood brake the job I was thinking about blood born the other day we do and something hit me is that he just told that story with the same sort of demeanor demeanor as like when a four year old gets home from the First Day of Preschool tells her dad they did at school? You just like we're going for just love that game. I really really do axiom axiom. I share joy had twenty twenty which is weird because it's just bleak and unforgiving I know but I love that about anyone. Oh no but like I was thinking about it. It's it's really weird to me. That of all the sort of horrifying animals that are in that game for the most part. They're like they kind of feel like they're in the same scale but inexplicably. The crows are like the size of large dogs. Yeah or the rats they will mess you up to like they every now. That's what I love about that game right. It's like I. I'm running to this game right now. I'd be cleric piece. I try. I beat father the gas going. Would that dude's ass with my with my long ass wit hadn't behind a bunch of crips graves and such various objects wisdom real good behind the tree and he got real mad got all frenzied zied up and turned into a beast at the end ran behind his fat ass whipping his ass. All over the place beat him and then I ran to the witches killed them. I went up to vicar media that NASTY NASTY WET medicine horse. Kill the crap out of her. She was going to bed. She let her hair down right long kicked her ass all over the place and I walk outside and Mike. I'm feeling good in the jumped up and got my neck and killed me and I lost like forty thousand dollars games crazy man. You guys should play the bubbler and it's cool love that game anyway. I've been playing came three. I don't know how to go on now. I've been playing the kingdom hearts. Three deal see remind mind. I'm just going to keep going with this because I don't know to get out of bloodborne except for kingdom hearts and I reviewed the DLC my reviews now and then and it's not great. Yes not great. Are you okay on not. It's made me really unhappy that I'd done. You're huge huge kingdom hearts fan. Yeah no so this hurts even holding it together. Okay Yeah it's been rough so the kingdom hearts three remind. Elsie is a very very weird package and Thomas. Ms Read edited my review. So he knows what I'll say but essentially there are two main have to it. The first half is a very story base. Four to five maybe our experience that is mostly cut scenes that fills in some of the gaps of the climax of the base game story by sending you through it. I don't want to like spoil any of the stories stuff but essentially send you back through all of that experience with some new twist to the story that fills in things. You may not have learned the original time through. The problem is most of that time. You are just replaying the end of the game there are occasionally like new cut teams that show a new character interaction or two but they're never the things that I was like demanding for someone who's played all of these games have been a fan for twenty years. It wasn't anything like really satisfied. Me Or really changed or made need more complex my understanding of this world like he didn't really add anything to it on a story level for me and then the game play is essentially largely retread to the boss battles at the end of the game. mm-hmm where you can either replay a sora or play as one of the other characters present in those battles. He didn't get to play it as the base game. So wait a minute. They resold the ending to the last game with with some new cut scenes and little bits of new gameplay but really doesn't add because it presented like an entirely new thing. Yes it is. There is a story setup to why you're going through all all of it again but it doesn't really feel impactful like it doesn't really matter to me as someone who has genuinely hanging plot threads from a game that I want to know so much more about this deal doesn't Address those it doesn't really in a substantive way like winks those things but doesn't really satisfy them and then once you beat that episode you have to beat that bit to then get to the second can half which is a series of thirteen boss battles that takes characters from the game that you fought before and just makes them the hardest. They've ever been like these are some of the most difficult boss battles in kingdom hearts game. Some of them probably are the most difficult. I can't say one for one on some of them but you can't really tackle cool these bosses on let it unless you're above level ninety year. There's a maximum level ninety nine if you're below level ninety and don't have the ultimate weapon the ski late in the game. You don't really have much of a hope of the fighting these things. So it's a very narrow place connections. Yeah for context. You finished the base game. Like fifty like like seventy seven so everything and the problem is I so I did a little bit of level grinding to be able to be these bosses. I've beaten about four or so right now. Maybe five. The time this episode goes up but they are so orders of magnitude more difficult than anything else in the game so it is a fun challenge to overcome. Like I was really excited each time. I beat one but because there's nothing else like them in the game the only way to learn how to beat them is to just fight them. There is nothing else in the game that even comes close to how difficult they are by nearly double their at least doubly as hard as anything else in the game and so you might be beating your head against the wall. Because you're like I don't know how to beat this and it might just be because you're not level ninety nine yet and then even then there are bosses who learn how to be able to break your guard who can just stop time in jail on you constantly. You have to play much differently when you do almost the rest of the game and it's cool that's added but it's hard to get into because there's nothing else that leads you there right and so I have had fun with some of these boss. Battles does but questioned their inclusion in this way and wish there was a little bit more that bridge that gap on a difficulty level. Stupid question is their new game plus in kingdom hearts. I don't know if there's a proper new game plus I think they might have added something. Post launched there wasn't when you did sound sort of like almost like a new game plus and a half so normally when kingdom hearts games would come out. There would be sort of in the way that pokemon would get a third version. There would be a final mix version of one to a few of the others and they would add a few of these really tough boss battles at a few they were essentially new game. Pauses that you would buy so this sort of takes the place of that but because you're playing it for me for example playing it a year. After I beat the game. It feels really disjointed. It doesn't really Adan much the experience that I was looking for it to add and it just feels like a bit of a missed opportunity in a lot of places you know throws in for example like the base game didn't have final fantasy characters doctors. Well now. They're hearing their voice again. Like Leon and Arifin Yuppie are all in it Said but there for five minutes and then you go fight the bosses and so it felt more like they were just in there because they were like we knew people wanted this so here they are but it doesn't really matter that they're they're any character could have filled that it sounds more like DLC DLC for the sake of deal see rather than deals because they had a good message or story that they wanted to tell yeah. It doesn't feel like this deal was made in in response to how we've all been discussed kingdom hearts fans have been discussing where this series could go censo- like an arcade kind of tacked on and for some people that is what some people wanted. Some people were creating that challenge. And I'm glad that is there but I didn't think it was enough for what this package could be and it ends so it's a thing that's been spoiled based on Youtube from the day. The deal came out when you try to keep it light though maybe go quickly because I think you guys will be interested on a weird just like game industry level. There is a secret video that comes at at the end of this The so full on spoilers for the Kingdom hearts three remind deal see. It's hard not to talk about without. I will get back to the show non spoiler after this you you find a character named Zora voiced by Dylan sprouse. Who is a fake character? You think in a video game present in the toy story world that is that is the basis for this character after you beat him. It shows a trailer later on that ties into the final secret video from kingdom hearts. Three that showed Sora A- and recruit the to the main characters in Japan in proper you real world Japan right and if further then ties in Missouri Waking up in a car in a limo no being driven somewhere in an exact recreation essentially of one of the original final fantasy versus thirteen trailers or he takes the place if I think knocked us from from that trailer before it was final fantasy fifteen proper which was a game Nomura was working before it became fifteen and tomato took over and he moved on to kingdom hearts but essentially naturally obviously but it essentially becomes a weird tie in to versus thirteen trailers and the world that he was creating for versus just thirteen before it became what fifteen is. Is this what we sound. Like when we talk about Star Wars Canon a little bit. But you you were talking about bloodborne earlier it sounds like to know I blacked out. Rats are yeah Samaj and they're big and wet to me now imagine they had their own kingdom in Orlando Florida. That's the weird thing is to me as someone who even as an adult my late twenty s who loved this series growing up as a marriage of the Disney rose I grew up with with the somewhat more mature final fantasy world with its own original story that was crazy and wild and silly but fun. This is like. Hey Hey what if we ignored all that stuff and put in a game. That never happened because the creator had some ideas he could use is what it feels like again we. I don't know I have no idea what the plans are came hurts for. I don't know but it. It felt like this isn't why I played three like none of this matters to me as someone who played in enjoyed a lot of three and so anyway. Spoilers are over but This isn't the way I want to remember him through. Where can never hurts has been before it goes into whatever this new era or as you said once you did level up you were saying that some of the fights were at least enjoyable? That's the thing is like I think some of these thirty dollars enjoyable right. They have been fun into these first four or five. That have been able to be have been fun now that I feel achievable. There's definitely been like a I got through that sort of experience that conjoined on top of that. It just really hasn't landed for me. Well it sounds like you're sad and you've gotten better at fighting big bosses so it is time to play Blah uh-huh thirty dollars you can get the full game and the deal sea and probably still have ten extra dollars. It's not a bad deal. Games constantly on sale. Are we ever going to be one the game probably. Yeah we should. We should talk about that. We should definitely have me play that game if you would like me to play that game on at some point in the future right into beyond Jin dot com and let us now so just comment on this video. Writing into an email is a lot of work before we get into people writing into the email. Though I do want to point to a wonderful video Max Scoville shared with me. You say yeah we can do this picture in picture this. I was just going to talk about. Is it working red. You can see it so anyway. Maximum you give us a little taste around. I I found out in the Japanese version crash. It's not like a dark secret Bob Stares at secret button calmly pulls up. One of them was is horrified. Live action music for the ever which has crashed bandic Sort of flashing rattler. Here's the music is planning apologize. Apologize attack abandon trace this yes yes also found out in the Japanese version crash bandicoot the novel foods it's called Apples And then mango is. He's had no it's apple. That was a mango very clear. Then he does a lot of air humping and he's with the woman in like an evening down. They were eating apples at like a restaurant together that he starts dancing a bunch. He's in some kind of a CACTUS garden And it keeps going and gets somehow it gets even weirder and in the next seen. He's on vacation with a bottle of what I think is sake but it has an arrow pointing to and it says it's just apple juice but then if you get to the very end of the video this is after. He has jumped into a swimming Ming Pool with his with all his clothes on. Just you know just normally and to get on one of those like Hover Hover board a boat board things waterboard whatever it he jumps on it fully cloud gets all wet and stuff at the very end for some reason. There's a very short clip of him like four frames in the pool with a plastic bag over his head. That's it that's just in the video but also dancing women so they're clearly like they're different women's so he's he's Philanderer who also suffocates himself in the pool. And is he chose himself. Thanks a bunch and just for your birthday sing a song. It's very weird. Everyone should go watch it. It's very funny. It's an Ottoman. Yeah you can find that on youtube just wondering that up because I really want a new crash bandicoot and this is what I have in. The meantime also did some. I'll tell I'll talk about more crash bandicoot stuff next week. I found it some other stuff. That's pretty upsetting. Let's let's let us in on the comments. What is the most confusing thing? bloodborne lower kingdom hearts lower that crash bandicoot commercial Scott at the crash bandicoot trying to suffocate himself the positive bag and a pool. That's up there. I'm sorry you guys are some weird bloodborne bosses but that is up there. It sounds like a blood borne involved. Yeah what bag to move on from that happier territory did want to as wrapping up the show jump into memory card which is of course our weekly weekly segment where you the viewers and listeners. At home right in with your stories of your playstation gaming life whether they be happy sad weird funny odd whatever will read them on the show every week right right into beyond dot com. If you want to share yours please write the subject line memory card oil. Miss them when I search my email This one actually came in a little earlier today. We were recording comes from Adam. Adam Adam rooted and said Hey guys I've listened to every episode of beyond but I have a confession to make I haven't owned a playstation since the. ps one he wrote in last year about never getting to finish. Finish at seven actually about that. I purchased an Xbox in two thousand and just sort of stayed with Microsoft. What the how dare you? Adam Continues News. Maybe it was Microsoft's lack of exclusives. Maybe it was got worse taking game of the year. Maybe it was Lucy's comments about the left behind deal see This black Friday Friday bundle for one hundred eighty nine dollars. I played back to back. The last of US got horizons era. That's insane I can honestly say I I don't think I've ever played through that much. Genuine storytelling Joel. And Ellie create us into trey s alloy in the wild. I firmly moved over to sport play station and I can't wait to see where it takes me love you guys. Keep up the great work. I I know which somebody who would hit me with a spiked bat. I could lose all my memory and play those games again for the first time. That's like if you saved your dessert after every meal and then killed yourself by eating a years worth of desert. Yeah Right. That sounds great. You absurd after every meal. I have lots of desserts. Oh my God that we saw at Safeway yesterday. who was buying eight individually? Wrap slices of cake. You just get a whole lake in parts the other expensive to the other memory video games and cake pieces. The other remember cut I wanted to read was in large part. Came because of Max's call four funny and weird memory cards because we've gotten a lot of heartfelt ones but we know there are some arguments you did say that anyway dirk road and said hey beyond said you want some lighthearted memory cards. So here's mine my senior year in high school I got caught having as Derek marital relations with my girlfriend. I my parents decided grounding me for my. PS One was an appropriate punishment. But I really wanted to play final fantasy tactics so I found a loophole. I sat right next to my little brother so I found a loophole Paul. I sat right next to my little brother and told him exactly what to do. Where to go and buttons to push final fantasy tactics will always be happy memory for me in a funny story between my brother and me of of your well? Also final fantasy tactics turns twenty two today. Oh happy birthday. I saw people tweeting about it more than normal. Might be there who knows his parents were like constrict and also incredibly lax to be like. You can't play that game but you can sit next to someone playing it and dictate all the moves the entire. I think if they're like you're not allowed to play. You can sit there and watch your brother play final fantasy tactics. That's actually pretty pretty major torture if you're invested kind of yeah but it's like if I told your twitch if I told you you couldn't watch TV but you could watch TV through a window. Whisper into the window. We like change change network and also before we wrap. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. We have a ton more memory cursory Syrian the weeks to come please please keep writing in I did want to start up our new segment that we want to be doing every week which is also to involve you you at home listening or watching this episode. We right now. We're calling that one thing so we were talking a little bit about. This largely came from a suggestion from Brian about about. Hey obviously we talk about all the time here. We talk about all the things in them that we love for some of our favorites of all time. There's often that one thing that thing that sticks in your mind about why you love the game so much. Even if it's not a game that you love the rest of there might be just one thing that really stood out to you and so we want to highlight that stuff because we got so many. It's nuts. How many responses awesome so happy about it and I think it's a testament to all of the amazing work sometimes it goes unnoticed from developers of really small things that can really affect your experience of the game? It's it's also a testament to how easy it is to answer it incredibly simple like a Lotta the call and response is like what's your favorite narrative arc of the God of war series. He's from two thousand and five to two thousand fourteen specifically write a paragraph out. And this is what's your what's the things you like a tree and Gti tell us about the. I'm so hungry to one from a multiplatform game and one from playstation game with the multiplatform. Shay wrote into bounded idea dot com with the subject line that one thing and and said one of my all time. Favorite game mechanics is in the dead space franchise and that's the use of the plasma cutter so mechanics spoilers. If you haven't played I still go back to the original game almost yearly and still can't get enough of it something on flee that I wish I could relive all over again Seeing shoot the limbs scrawled in blood all over the walls those and then meeting your first neck amorphous and realizing that's exactly neck remorse. Excuse me and realizing that's exactly what you need to do. Something that stuck with me even to this day and still love going back to also when he could set off an arm and then shoot it. Back with stasis fills me up inside that weapon felt so damn good like that is right that is that's when you're swinging lightsaber on fallen order or something like that and I just felt it works. They nailed that. And I think that is like so much of the success of the plane dead space cutter which is so fun to play with plasma cutters a real they're like an actual tool It works nothing like that at all in real. It looks like a garden hose with like a large alligator clip and you put the clip on the metal the grounded then it shoots like a quarter inch of arc out of it. There was a documentary. Going around with that became the talked about how they were using real mining tools for like a whole bunch of stuff that was the basis of. Yeah they're like directly inspired by a bunch of real world stuff like you video game the hell out of play. Of course yeah. There was some real world basis and their three D. Printer gun at three bullets in real time. All right Another one I wanted to read. I'm actually GonNa Change Direction just to bring another thing that Soland was inspired by David wrote into ended dot com about that one thing and said hello and beyond around. Everybody has a thing that when they see or hear the game or a trailer for a game that they immediately think. Oh this is speaking my language. That thing for me is the incorporation of choirs. In the game soundtrack back I absolutely love any game. Soundtrack incorporates choirs and chance I find it so emotionally powerful and bad ass. My favorite uses of it or games like with Adam Johnson's days X.. Games ah God of war on. Ps Four from Saas Games. SKYRO- him F F seven and F F eight. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to choirs and Church but I've always associated choirs with larger than life. The epic or emotional events. There is nothing more chilling bad us to see character. Make a dramatic comeback dramatic entrance dramatic fight sequence or dramatic defeat then with a choir guiding that scene. I you can't get enough of it. Thanks for doing the show. You guys are highlight of my week. When the Gameboy advance launched with Castle Vania Circle the moon which is a game? You couldn't see unless you sat directly underlies awful the title squeeze screen had choir music and it was very dark and there was that logo and it was like and I was like this is coming through tiny the plastic holes on a hand held. But it sounds like I'm listening to an MP three the future yeah no that blew my mind. I love it. He says this is. This is definitely speaking my language and then proceeds to name like things that probably have people singing in like seven different languages. My favorite for Skyro- this piece of Trivia where to get that dovaston chanting. They had like they had like thirty dudes in like a garage or airport hangar or something and they're all chanting in like dragon tongue and they were like no you know. It's not scare them enough so they took them chanting and they did it over like three times so it sounded like there were ninety people chanting dragon tongue. Oh my God. Let's throw our whatever that's awesome. I wanted to bring one on myself since obviously I want to come from us on the cast as well and when I did want to bring up is in the very beginning and again spoilers I guess for the first bioshock when you are first discovering your enrapture walking through the beginning section. It's one of my favorite sections in any game into in any game but it's actually the titular biological shock when you when you first shock gas. Well No. It is my first shock in the game. I guess for lack of a worst pun. One is There's this moment where you're approaching hallway and you see a woman standing next to a baby carriage and she's speaking to the baby and it's quiet otherwise it's dark it's moody and her shadow is being projected on the wall. And that's the first thing you see is the shadow and so you start slowly creeping and you've only met one or two spicer so I don't really know what you're getting getting at and then as you get closer. She turned around and goes crazy and starts fighting you because she is a slicer and of course she's gone crazy with that the whole Mumbo jumbo that has the spicer's and and then you go over the baby carriage to her interest a gun is in the carriage and that's it and it was. I played it in the demo before the game even came out and that moment for me was so enthralling enthralling engaging in freaked me out and I finished that moment I was like I have to buy this game. That demo kicked so much out what are the best seriously like it. I what what twenty minutes of the game or something. Just let you play through the beginning until there's a point where you essentially get locked in a greeted area and spicer trying to attack you. Andrew Ryan is talking to your doors opening Yep Yep and they play through them and it starts with the whole plane crash in everything and swimming through the I like the way the moonlight hit though the ripples on the top of the water and how it looked like there was oil there too from like a maybe. I'm just imagining this. But but no yeah like the spill of the fire on the water and then being in the middle of nowhere and seeing this tower power and swimming up to it and being like what's this. Oh it's not going up it's going down and then seeing whales and Oh my God and it's it's incredible opening opening up. The lesson from that is is that like in the first twenty minutes of that game you can start playing it and figure out how you're supposed to play it and I feel like we have so many games that take like a solid two hours to get you out of the tutorial. Yeah yeah it throws you in and it also just immediately grabs easily fire mental storytelling super. Mario Brothers you out there. There's the Gumbo if you don't jump you die. You learn that instantly and we'll get. You will get a little bit to some more Mario Brothers in the plugs as we wrap up this episode But of course if you want to write into with that one thing in a game that love please right into beyond it is you dot com with the subject. Line that one thing and we'll be reading those on the show for the week. 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Yes but you'll be back with more reviews and we talk about the games you can check got my occasionally remind review and also if you haven't checked out a new series I've been hosting called power ranking. Were each week we take a fan voted poll from the Youtube community and all across our social feeds and make ranking based on all of your votes and then make silly Iraqi jokes This Week Khalil. One of our editors didn't amazing edit for fake game that you should definitely check Out Anyway thank you so much for listening and watching this episode and as always beyond beyond beyond go check out that live action crash bandicoot music videos. Make sure there's no parents over your shoulder. They're going to be suspicious.

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Broken Boy: The Jaidyn Leskie Story

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Broken Boy: The Jaidyn Leskie Story

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime brewery. Sorry I'm Jill under you know there's no one more innocent than a fourteen month old child. The Age Jaden Leschi was when he disappeared. Jane was born in and lived his life in poverty in surrounded by ignorance. Some would say that his mother loved him and she tried under best others would say she was a careless and neglectful drunk. Either way the outcome is the same. Most of US love our kids. We do our best to keep them. Well cared for and safe regardless of our socioeconomic status or the stress that life may send our way maybe this is why we feel Justified in judging parents like Jason's mother Belinda. Not because she was young on married poor or a heavy drinker even but because she failed to keep Jaden safe. Join US at the quiet in today for broken boy. The JADEN Leschi Story. It is a hard story to tell and a hard one to here. But we're coming to this story with empathy and we're making an effort to understand and a really dark side of our human condition and fortunately we have a beer to drink while we delve into this here too bad. It's not a higher higher alcohol by volume. 'cause I could use something like that. Well you know. There's really no reason why we couldn't do shots with our beer. So think about that. Might cause this like you said. This is a tough story to run to tell to. Flynn to hear about absolutely so. I chose a beer from coopers brewery called original Pale this is an English Pale Ale with ab four and a half percent not a bad beer. Tasty gold got a one inch whitehead little bit of lacing Nice Aroma Sweet Malt Grassy hops has a brady taste with a little bit of hops late. light-bodied easy drinking beer when that we call it a lawnmower beer absolutely sounds okay though. Yeah I mean it's it's innocuous enough. Yeah well let's open it up. Okay all right. Let's take it down onto the quiet end. Rose look confessed if down there today. Well it's holiday season. We've got some nice lights and other things so oh absolutely in our friend billy bonds. Santa still here. Yeah it is groupies. Yup Yeah I don't know what is it. You women have the Santa Claus well. It's deep seated childhood thing. Obviously daddy issues going into that. The man let's not address it today. Okay we'll just relax down here. We've got plenty of beer for bar buddies so let's have a good time with the Beer Cher so so why don't you start this horrible story okay. Jaden Leschi was born into poverty as the son of a young single mother in nineteen ninety six his mother her name is Belinda. Had a difficult childhood in a family that had its own share of dysfunction. So Belinda Boyne in nineteen seventy five which means she has twenty one years old when she gave birth to Jaden. Belinda was the second shout to her teenage mother and her father. Dad worked in a timber mill. Belinda Linda's sister Katie is three years older. Katie and Belinda childhoods were marked by alcoholism and violence their mother and father foot and many anytime she got thrown out of the House and she had a little brother named Glenn he was born just before their father moved out for good now after he moved out. It was mom Tom. The two girls and a little boy and family moved frequently throughout central and eastern Victoria barely scraping by financially. Yes yes oh Katie. Ran Away when she was just fourteen years old and the story goes that she only returned home so that her mother would buy her some cigarettes but but then again at age sixty Katie ran away again and this time she moved to a town called Mo moes industrial it had prospered when the coal mines and electrical power stations were state-owned but then after privatization unemployment soared and a recession hit the area. A lot of workers moved away to find good jobs and housing prices really plummeted. There were still some nicer areas of Mo- but the part of town where Katie fled to was quite quite four poems. There could sell for as little as fifteen thousand dollars but because it was cheap to live there. The government decided to relocate. Single mothers is to mow this way. Their welfare payments would go further but the consequence which they didn't really think about I guess was that a population of dislocated unemployed lead people grew in Mo- it became common for people to live there. Without steady jobs. Drug use became endemic and there was a real lack of hope for the future of these families and it was in Mo- that Katy met Brett. Leschi she was at a party where she got pretty drunk which was kind of normal for her and Brett chatted her up they ended up having sex that same night. Katie brought Brett back to her mother's place. The next day proudly showing off her cute new boyfriend at this time. BELINDA was a young teen and Katie introduced her to Brett. Belinda was jealous of Katie's independence and freedom while Katie would be out partying and picking up guys. Belinda felt like she was stuck at home but Katie was jealous of Belinda. Also who everyone said was was the pretty one. Belinda was pretty but she had a tall and rugged built. Her hair was bleached. Blonde with dark roots. And she dressed enclosed that. We're very Tight but in contrast to this childlike face gave her a real look of purity and innocence so she attracted a fair amount of young men in Boyce well and like you said she's just barely entertains. Yeah but in this region in this family people started young so she was. There's a catch now. Katy sister and Brett did not have a very ideal relationship. They did however stay together for several months eventually Britain Katie moved in with his parents. That's rain Elizabeth Leschi. They were dairy farmers narrow so devout Baptists so they allowed Katy to stay with them and help with milking the Karros but that arrangement lasted less than six months. While Yeah Brett's parents were very helpful and wanted to help out. But they weren't gonNA put up with drinking and partying or are drugs any of that so it really couldn't last long because Katie was really into that stuff and then weren't married no they weren't but after that Katie did return delivered her mother Pam and her sister Belinda. Pam had a stroke which left her left side completely paralyzed when she returned home from the hospital. Belinda was just sixteen sixteen but became her mother's primary caretaker. Katie was uncomfortable and not at all interested in helping out and she got pregnant by another man but she allowed Brett to think that this baby was his so thinking he was doing the right thing and encouraged by his baptist parents to do the right thing. Brett proposed post to Katie and she accepted now. Belinda believed that Katy had tricked Britain to marrying her. She was pretty sure. It wasn't Brett's baby that her sister was his pregnant with yet. At the same time she believes that Brett had proposed to Katie for the wrong reasons also his Brett was in trouble. He is facing jail time. He has stolen some checks from his boss and forged them for cash now by his thinking if he's got a pregnant fiancee. He could get lenient treatment because he had a young young family with support. That's pretty drastic step to take just to get less jail time. But I guess if you're young you don't understand that you're changing your whole life forever. No we're looking at the short-term not the long picture share so Katie and Brits wedding wasn't anything Fancy Baptist Minister Minister from his Parents Church officiated the service and is took place in the front yard of the Leschi's farmhouse the rings had been purchased from a plant shop. Katie worry US gown here has only a handful of family and friends in attendance. So when the wedding was first announced Katie's entire family said they would not attend and they didn't agree with this marriage since they felt it was based on a lie some family members gave in did show up but not Belinda. Well well Belinda claimed. She wouldn't attend the wedding because she didn't want to wear a dress. Belinda did not like to wear dresses. She was a real tomboy but Brett's mother. Elizabeth bless gay really believed that Belinda wanted Brett for herself she had seen the way Katie. And Belinda interacted and she saw that Belinda was very jealous of her sister sister and her sister's relationship with Brett. Neither of Brett's parents were excited about this marriage as you can imagine but they tried to be supportive for Brett Sake. So the couple was allowed to move back in with the LESCHI's on their farm but it only took a few weeks for them to be thrown out after that. The couple moved Dan with Brett sister Louise and eventually rented their own small house. Katie and Brett stayed together for less than a year after their wedding but it was long enough for Katy to become pregnant again. No one was sure. What the reason for this break-up was but no one was really surprised either? No I don't think they would be given given the history thus far absolutely now katy second pregnancy. This time was breads child was a girl they would name her Shannon during his pregnancy Brett suffered from depression and anxiety. He would lie around the House all day unable to work or help out with the housework. Then Belinda moved in with him and things got even worse. Katie began to suspect that her husband was sleeping with her little sister so Katie through Brett and by Linda out of the House and the two of them moved in with Brett Sister Louise afterwards. Now Belinda deny that she was involved with Brett beyond a friendship. Sure sounds different for me but Arcadia was convinced so the relationship between the two sisters fell apart and they didn't speak for a long time. We'll according to Belinda her romance with Brett I didn't begin until two months after Katie threw them out but most people really don't believe that because they didn't waste any time becoming pregnant or they just it didn't bother using any birth control. I'm not sure which one it was but the couple headed daughter. They named her Brianna and that name they'd gotten from clerk at the local supermarket supermarket. They liked it. They spelled it differently. They were very in dispelling. Names differently here with Brianna Brianna or something like that like a hyphenated name. I'm almost Yamba Linda's B. I. L. Y. N. D. A.. So it's a family thing but bret was still married to Katie when he had a daughter. With Belinda so Brett had children with two sisters so think about that I mean that makes him the father and the uncle to both sisters children. Yikes thanks very confusing. But this couldn't have concerned him. Or Belinda too much because they soon had a son together also and this was little Jaden Leschi Jaden was born in April of nineteen ninety six. Belinda picked his name from an attractive guest. She had noticed on an episode of the Ricki Lake Show. Jaden hidden was Chubby baby and very lovable. He loved his mom especially and he cried when she left him. The Linda would described him as a clingy baby who cried a lot but Elizabeth Leschi believed that he was just a lonely baby who wasn't getting the attention that he needed and deserved from his mother. Jaden to this big sister her and parents before blended Brett broke up just before Jaden first birthday linen and Katie strain relationship. Played a part. In the break-up 'cause Belinda I believe the Katya still in love with Brett and Belinda said that she wanted to marry bread but then she became involved with another man and she inbred broke up Brett had been working in a shed. Space shared with a man named Greg Damaso. It's that's pronounce correctly. He did better than I would during his time. Belinda in Greg became close. Now Belinda Lake Greg. Because he seemed interested in Jaden he played with Malaysia and spent time with them now. They're also many dynamics at work here. Remember this this. Belinda had some bitterness towards bread because she felt like he favored their daughter Brianna over Jaden and she may have seen Greg as the preferred father figure. I said on. She believed that Britain was always too busy to spend time. Jaden how greg seemed interested in Jaden even took more for hands from time to time for an A.. Babysit and teach trim about cars. Were what every infant needs to know. This is very twisted and difficult to understand. It was a strange dynamic which which turned out to be very disturbing. Greg offered to watch Jaden quite a bit but not his sister Brianna and Belinda seemed to think this was a good thing. The only issue she initially mentioned to friends was that Greg didn't like to change Jaden diaper. He would bring Jaden back to her diaper changes claiming that the smell was unbearable for him. But because Belinda saw her son is an incessant cryer she was happy to get a break when Greg Babysat for him for days. After after Jaden was returned from a visit with Greg. He wouldn't cry at all so instead of seeing this as worrying which I absolutely would. Belinda appreciated appreciated. The quiet after returning from Greg's house Jaden would sometimes sleep for an entire day and entire night and he didn't even seem hungry so ominously. Belinda told one friend that she didn't know what Greg did to Jaden but she didn't really want to know either well he would come back and be quiet and sweep and that just makes my stomach her good as right. It is really alarming so Belinda freely admitted that she was unable to handle Jaden cry. She had taken him to the Mo Medical Center many times because of his incessant cry now on April Second Nineteen Ninety seven. When Jaden was nearly a year old? He was examined by a physician. Who could find? No reason for James Cry. She wrote in her notes. The JADEN was a happy healthy baby. Boy Yeah but Belinda brought Jaden back on April twenty first in a different doctor saw him. This doctor took a urine sample to rule out a urinary tract infection but couldn't find anything wrong with Jaden. Belinda wondered if she was suffering from postpartum depression and that's why she was having so much trouble with this and it's really unclear if anyone's spoke to her about how to deal uh-huh with a crying child. Or the big stresses of motherhood. I mean she was very young woman that she was and it doesn't sound like she had good good pediatric care or at least consistent pediatric care. I shouldn't say good or bad. That not consistent go into the Er for things like this instead of just seeing their family physician. Yeah that's true but yeah and as you said. It's not clear if anyone talk to Belinda or greg or bread or anyone in the family how to deal with a crying child now and it's something that you teach new parents. It's part of the whole learning process sort of the deal. Yeah we call it purple crying. Purple is an acronym for the Ryan periods so its peak of crying crying peaks during the second month of life and then starts to decrease unexpected comes and goes for no apparent reason. It's resistant to soothing. The baby orphaned looks like he's in pain. It can be long lasting asking thirty forty minutes at a time and it can happen in the evening purple so the biggest thing to explain to parents is. It's a temporary thing and the baby's not in pain. You do what you can and you try to make them realize that it's not anything they're doing anything like that. Turn make the baby cry. Hopefully you can keep people from hurting their kids for the crime. So what kind of ways do they learn to deal with with it. I mean what kind of practices can people do. I know one thing. Is You put the baby in a safe environment. Like the crab and you just walk away for awhile and give yourself a break. The biggest thing is too 'cause you're not gonNA get the baby probably to calm down on his or her own until they're ready to so what you try to say. Say It's okay the put the infant down and walkaway Goo read a book for a few minutes or do something just separate yourself in a situation Shen right but it can be pretty stressful and if you're a relatively uneducated young person can be even worse right you can really lose your temper which it's hard to imagine but it certainly can happen here and it was happening with Belinda. Feel quite certain good. Yeah there's I don't think there's much question and if anyone was less able to deal with the crying than Belinda. It would have been this greg guy where we're gonNA find out more information information about him absolutely but yeah he would be even less likely to respond favorably to the crying. Yes and his girlfriend. Whatever she was yes so Brett's mother chains grandma? Elizabeth Leschi wasn't comfortable at all when she learned about Greg babysitting Jaden. She really thought it was odd for a single man to want to spend time with the baby alone and I totally agree with her but there were so many things that Elizabeth didn't approve of her son's life in the way that her grandchildren were being raised. This was just one of the things and she said she didn't feel like there was anything she could do about it and she had told Belinda how she felt about it. And and Belinda would just kind of say yeah sure sure but Belinda was going to do what she wanted to do. And for Belinda. This was almost too good to be true right. She stressed out with this crying trial and she wants to be out having fun. And then Greg says hey I'll take Jaden for the day and it's something she just didn't turn down and I I don't know I just can't forgive her for that. I think there's a lot I can forgive a lot. I can understand but I'm not on board with that from anyone where you're probably probably more charitable than me. Yeah she was at least as culpable in this whole situation. Is Greg all right. Well explain a little bit more while you're saying saying that we'll just the statement that I don't know what he does with them and I don't want to know I know right. That whole thing you telling me she didn't think anything wrong. When this poor kid would come back from being with Greg that he wouldn't eat? He slept employees. I'm really believed that. He was dragging the child eld. If not worse I mean. It's just really so irresponsible and this is the type of thing I find incredibly frustrating. After something thing tragic happens to a child everyone has an opinion and something to say about what was going on. But what did anyone here due to really protect Jaden the the grandmother Elizabeth never really offered to take care of her grandson instead of graphic not that I know of and she talked to Belinda bread about the situation in in detail. If you have concerns you really need to tell someone. And if they don't do something you do something and this is a fourteen month old. This child is completely helpless and dependent on the adults in his life for love and for protection and he was completely neglected and failed. He certainly was and it's easy to say after the facto. I knew something was wrong or sure. No dammit do something is going on. Yeah I've got no patience for that bullshit nope so let's add to the fact of this horrible story that Greg was a really strange and disturbed individual. He lived alone in a broken down house with this shed where he intermittently did some work on cars at the back of his house. The ground was just littered with rusty car. Parts and overgrown weeds needs and among this mess he kept a large white plastic bucket filled with fish guts and fish heads and he said that he was keeping this for his enemies. He's so and Greg felt slighted or mistreated by someone. He liked to take a big syringe full of the fish liquid from the bucket and injected into that person's air conditioning unit in their car their house and of course the smell would be awful and almost impossible to get rid of and this was just one one of the sick. Prague's that Greg like to do this is probably one of the more mild ones okay. Now he was also known to be pretty weird and often out of control. So it's just wasn't a person you trust to take care of a young kid now you wouldn't but Belinda did or maybe she didn't really trust trust him but she didn't care enough to stop it right. I'd go with that again. I think she knew it was going on but it was just so nice to have someone taking cure this kid who cried all the time and she didn't really care what was going on. Yeah just seems like. She made a conscious decision to overlook because the red flags because it was just more convenient for her. I mean I hate to say it. But how else can you see it. No that's exactly it. Greg didn't grow up to be this way way without having gone through some trauma when he was a kid when he was fourteen years old a neighbor called the tone that his father just died of a heart attack and the a neighbor. Said you gotta go tell your mom. That's great people man so within the next year Greg left school and started using drugs. He liked to work on on cars but he never completed any training. He got a grant and opened a repair shop shed but he never took his work seriously and he didn't have work on a steady basis uses in those who got to know Greg would describe him as a manipulator most of his pranks were ultimately harmless but seldom. Were they really funny. One thing he liked to do was to borrow a friend's car then call the friend say that he had crashed it then he would return the car on damaged in laugh as the friend was relieved believed. So that wasn't too bad not very funny but I guess harmless but a lot of his pranks were not so benign your one night nights someone broke into Belinda. His House and swept her kids into each other's beds. Matinee go in and check on Brianna and his Pearl Jaden and vice versa that would be disconcerting. So many people knew Greg was responsible for this little prank. But Greg blamed his ex girlfriend Yvonne penfold last year. You can call it a little prank but it someone did get into her house you know. Someone broke into her house however they got in. That's not okay. Okay now. But that wasn't the only time when Belinda children were the targets of disturbing pranks and outright abuse. One night hike. Greg broke into the House and he force fed peanut butter sandwiches to Jaden until he was vomiting. Belinda thought Greg was weird but she didn't protect her children from these so-called pranks now that's abuse unquestionably. This abuse isn't that awful. I mean that shows a really sick person yes it does and once. He didn't do anything no once he did that. You think she would have said. Oh no you're not going to take care of my son. But she didn't she would let him go with Gregg and Gregg was also weird because he was obsessed with space aliens and he told people he had once. Met these Little Green Rene Aliens. He had posters of them tacked on his walls and he would leave a carton of milk on the roof of his house saying that that way the aliens would drink the milk. They wouldn't take him up on their spaceship he didn't like going on. The spaceship led to experiments on him. Exactly how he did seem to have a soft side for animals the most children which would impress women who met him because he seemed to be so gentle and caring but the other side of Greg he was also known to have killed mm feral cats but putting them in a sack in lighting it on fire fuck and he was not kind children when he was put in charge of them At all no. So BELINDA started having sex with Gregg and then he began to see himself as kind of father figure to Jaden but it was only Jaden in he was interested in not Belinda daughter Brianna he even told Belinda that she should give custody of her daughter to Brett and just keep Jaden. There's another big red flag. She ignored hard break. said he wanted to raise Jaden and teach them about cars and guns. I mean what could be more important than those two things. Gregory Gregory loved guns and he kept a hole beneath his back steps of his house where he stored guns many of them illegal blended near that. Greg was into guns and that he smoked a lot. Marijuana others would say that Greg was even to harder drugs and that even sold drugs at times but Belinda said she had only ever seen him smoke pot and drink some alcohol and Belinda was a heavy drinker in pot smoker too so she had no issue with this. It was okay to do that around her children. Hundred so greg. I BABYSAT for Jaden in April of nineteen ninety. Seven as Belinda became more comfortable leaving Jaden and Greg's care should began leaving him for longer and longer periods of time with Greg. Sometimes even she'd come back to pick up Jaden and Greg Rotella comeback later. 'cause because he wanted to spend more time with Jaden and of course Belinda Square to do that 'cause she really liked the breaks it would give her. Yeah and that makes me just kind of hate her. I have to say I mean. The situation was clearly dangerous. Greg would not properly care for this child and he couldn't stand it when Jaden cried. Greg Son John Jaden is kind of a playmate and even used him as a form of entertainment controlling in teasing him and abusing him. Greg had a short temper and was quite cruel to Jaden and another disturbing thing. Is that many friend. Saw Him being cruel to Jaden. They saw him push Jaden onto his back. Jack even bumping his head Jaden would cry and Greg would just walk away. Sometimes he'd turn off the lights and leave jade crying in the dark. One friend of Greg. Greg would remember how greg once turned the stereo on full blast with Jaden right in front of the speaker to drowned out. Jaden scream so who are these friends ends. That let this happen. And didn't say anything and I wondered did any of them. Go to Belinda. And she just disregarded it because that wouldn't surprise me either you what do you think well. They're just as bad as the rest of the crew you know so. They're not say anything. Well I mean okay. Are you you waiting for them to say org. Hey Man. You shouldn't be doing that. To the little bugger. Sure or at least go to the mother. Yeah grabbed the child and leave and call. The police will anybody with an ounce of compassion would do that. But these are all no good drug-using drunks let you know. Do you ever try to think what's going going on. In the mind of such a young child win someone that is supposed to be taking care them. I mean this is GonNa make me cry. Because he's thinking these people are supposed to be taking care are of him he so vulnerable and then to be treated like that. I can't even imagine what what's the toughest part of doing this episode. It's heartbreaking it really is Jaden was also put outside with Greg's large dogs and great tried to get the dogs all riled up and purposely frightened Jaden with the dogs Jaden was put in dangerous situations with the dogs in his muddy cluttered yard and he was returned to Belinda with scratches a bloody lip even bumps on on his head also. Belinda overheard. Many Times Greg Calling Jaden awful names. I mean awful names. I'm not even going to repeat them and and she actually laughed sometimes when he did this as did other people well. She called on the same names he as she would these fucking people. Yeah Yeah like you said. None of Greg's friends ever went to Belinda with concerns over the abuse. Not that we know of but the signs are pretty hard to miss and the babysitting babysitting sessions continued and became longer in May of nineteen ninety. Seven Greg was allowed to take Jane for an overnight but he ended up returning earning an early to Belinda. Greek city had lusted with Jaden. She didn't ask what had happened but he had a big bruise on his face. Well they're just Kinda. Ah sums her up doesn't it that she didn't even ask what happened and that she will send her son back with this man again she does. I Guess Greg's explanation him was that he had put Jaden into the car and bumped his head on the door. Then Jaden was crying and he couldn't remember what had happened after that because as he said he lost it. which is just an ominous thing? That's nothing good. That should be your sign right there that he abused your child. I mean whatever you want to say hey about it. Greg had physically abused this one year. Old who certainly had an kit at a black guy. He was cut under his Chin and he had more bruising on the inside inside his leg his left leg. Belinda said Oh I just felt sick when I saw those injuries greg offered to tell the authorities that he is responsible both the injuries but then he warned Belinda that if he did that she might lose custody of her son. Well there's the manipulator right there got it so what's wounded Du-. She says nothing her Cape Jaden at home and hiding until his injuries healed well and what blows me away. She didn't stop leading. Jaden with this abuser. Her and I think that's the worst thing she did. Well at least that we know of for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if she did do worse. Things wrote because Greg really probably wasn't the only caretaker who had abused little Jaden. Belinda admitted that one night when Jaden wouldn't stop crying she kicked him. She said she immediately felt bad and she took him to the doctor but she hadn't admitted what she had done. And apparently the doctor didn't report it yet Dan. So how do you not report that I mean what's the story. She said that he fell. And he's got a bruise me one of the things. You look for bruises in funny places. That shouldn't be there right. Yeah so I don't know I would assume in Australia their mandatory reporters as well as the US. I didn't look into that right but I did assume that would. Yeah but anyway that happened and nothing changed just three weeks after the incident with Gregg Belinda and allowed him to take Jaden for the day while she went out shopping with her sister when she returned to pick him up great given him a weird haircut. Well and that's putting thing it mildly because this was a very disturbing thing he did to the child he had shaved Jaden head to make it look like Greg's balding head like shaved. The bald spots US leaving some hair on the sides and stubble in the front. So that's disturbing right. Yeah Still Belinda. Would leave Jane with Gregg One more. We're time and that would be the night when Jaden went missing. There was one more time to many. Wasn't it. 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They are invited headed to a birthday party for a friend of Katie's boyfriend so the sisters arrange for a babysitter Julie local girl who knew their children would care for Jaden and Briana. Along with Katie's two kids now greg had plans to so after. He played Nintendo as some friends. He he drove the Belinda House and surprised her. He said he wanted to Babysit Jaden for the afternoon. He was working on a car and he wanted Jaden with him to keep him company. Will right there. I'd say Fuck No. Why do you want a one year old to keep you company when you're working on a car that just sounds dangerous president? It doesn't sound beneficial to the child in any way doesn't sound like it's anything that you need to have a one year old around for absolutely not but of course Belinda. Olinda was okay with this idea. She told Greg about the party. She was invited to and that she would be out all afternoon until late. In the night Greg said he would come back for Jaden and a couple of hours. So Belinda bathed Jaden and packed a bag for him including some warm outfits diapers and snacks. She dressed him in tracksuit pants. That had baby games written on them a green shirt a blue green windbreaker jacket with a hood and a red jacket over that so in Greg Return Return. Jaden was ready to go. The Linda didn't have a car so she asked Greg to drive her and Brianna to her sister Katie's house where the baby sitter would be and the sisters would leave for the Party together from there so when they get to Katie's House Belinda S. Greg for fifty dollars. You gave her seventy so she could have an extra special night at the party now. They hadn't agreed on how long Jaden was stay with Greg. But there wasn't understanding that Greg would drop off Jaden Becca Beca Katie's later to be with the baby sitter and the other children so great called Katie's house said about four. PM to ask her about rumors she had been spreading writing about him so petty Bullshit Right Katie was able to calm him down and Belinda spoke with him to she checked. The JADEN had enough clothing for the cold and Greg told her that he was fine. He said he was going to finish working on the car. Take a shower and then bring Jaden back. I'm sorry but these aren't things you do with the kid. You don't take them to work on your car and you're taking a shower means you're not spending time with them so what the actual. We'll fuck with all this. I don't get it. There's not much I get about arcus now. Well then he added that Jaden had fallen out back with the dogs but he would clean them up before he brought him back. And you think that would set off alarms. But it didn't know later that afternoon a neighbor heard Briggs scream. He was seen outside hosing down. The driveway neighbor. said he couldn't figure out who greg was screaming at. No one heard from Greg until later that evening when he called Julia the Babysitter and asks where. Belinda `was she told Belinda Katie and Katie's boyfriend had left for the party but then Belinda Linden Katie had had a fight and Belinda had returned home with her daughter between five thirty. PM and seven forty five PM. Belinda called Greg's house at least he's twenty times to tell him not to drop Jaden off at Katie's house as originally planned but to bring him home but there was no answer and she said at this this point she did begin to worry enough to do anything about no of course not me. We're not sympathetic to this girl. Some things I've read on the case Jason Been Much kinder to her grid so Katie and her boyfriend showed up at Linda's and the sister is made up from that fight. They put on their makeup together. And Katie rushed. Belinda out of the House. Linda would say that she felt uneasy about Jaden but decided to forget about it and have a good time time. Well you got to set priorities here right. Yeah so she left her daughter. Katie's house with Julie the babysitter and went ahead to the party. Yes I'm Belinda. Wanted to stop at Greg's House to borrow his camera. We could take pictures at the party. The Katie's boyfriend's car wasn't registered so Katie. He didn't WanNa get on a main road driving in an unregistered vehicle and Belinda went along with us because she was so stoked about the party and wants wants at the party. Belinda did call Greg again and got no answer. She expected him to drop Jaden with Julie but she didn't call Julie at that point to see if Jaden had arrived arrived at a little after eight pm a neighbor called Greg and asked if he wanted to smoke a bong with her and her husband and he declined saying he was baby sitting at ten PM. Great called his next door neighbor Marianne McKinnon and asked if she had any diapers because he was running out. This is a little strange. Because Belinda had sent Jaden with four diapers and Greg didn't really like to change diapers so it's a little odd. Greg was known own to avoid changing diapers and returning him to Belinda with a dirty diaper. Now he would say that he changed. Jane's Diaper twice that evening so he should have still had a two and Jaden bag. I mean that's if Belinda was correct about what she had packed but Marianne the neighbor had no diapers told Greg that the mini mart down the street would have some Marianne would later say that she thought she heard a child and a dog playing in the background when she was on the phone with Greg and she did believe it was Jaden Jaden she had heard in. Belinda really enjoyed the party. She drank heavily which was her norm. After the party thinned out a group decided ready to go to a nightclub MRS around ten thirty. Belinda and a few others including Katie arrived at the club before eleven at about eleven ten. Belinda decided to call Greg to check on Jaden and he answered. This time Shit's happened. Greg told her Jaden had fallen against the heater and taken to the Er they had put some cream on Jaden bottom but great. Didn't think they've done a good job so he said he had taken the shot to another hospital. Call Maryville Belinda said. I'm GONNA come right home but greg convinced her to stay at the club he said. Jay Bruce Fine is nothing she needed to do. He told her to call back equator and he would pick her up so this point. Belinda said that she was very stressed and she told a couple of people at the club what Greg had told her her sister. Katie decided that she would call Greg and find out what was really going on because he was this weird prankster. So Katy called Greg Beck Greg told Katie. They had been to the hospital because Jaden had fallen against the radiator and Burton his bottom and the hospital put cream on it. He's fine now though. Oh Greg said don't worry about it. Katie did ask how bad the burn was and Greg said it wasn't bad there were no blisters. Katie asked if they should come home and he told her now now they should just enjoy the Party so katy went back to Belinda and told her that the burn story was just one of Greg's jokes and this is according to Belinda. Uh Greg had said that Jaden was fine and there was nothing to worry about. Haiti would say that she actually told her sister. That Jaden had been burnt. But that he'd been treated. Greg had said there was no need to rush home so a bit of a discrepancy there. Katie said later that she never would have believed that the burn story was a joke. Although Belinda and others often played practical jokes on Greg and he played them on them but they never played sick jokes on each other. Katie said although we we don't really find that to be true I would think changing the children's beds is a sick joke. Who's this absurd jokes going on absolutely but either way Belinda felt reassured with her sister spoke to her that Jaden was okay and she was happy to continue partying? The sisters continued to drink for several all more hours. Belinda lost count of how many drinks. She'd had that night but she had spent sixty dollars on herself sometime before. One A M Marianne. Marianne MacKinnon was on her computer. When she heard Greg's car start in the driveway? Marianne new cars well and she knew the sound of Greg's car she heard it start reverse and drive away. Melinda's neighbor Kim Wilson was up to use her bathroom at around twelve thirty. AM and she. I heard Greg's car in the street. She even looked out her window and saw his green xc Falcon Hula outside of Belinda House. So she felt sure it was his car. A guy named Brett McGrath was flirting with Belinda. At the club that night he asked her to sleep with him in his van but by the end of the night she she was so drunk in so loud that everyone decided she should go home. The club had stopped serving. Belinda and then they stopped serving Katie because Katie was buying drinks for Belinda. So at about one thirty A. M. Katie told Belinda. She needed to call Greg. Pick her up and take her home. So Belinda Cal Greg at two. AM He agreed to pick her up and left his house at two fifteen and the club was about twenty five minutes away. Kadian enter boyfriend. Were with Belinda. Who was really out of control and just yelling at anyone who walked by when Greg pulled up at the club? Katie put her head into the car and told him. Take Belinda home. She did notice. The JADEN wasn't in the car but it didn't really surprise her. Belinda had told her that a friend named Jackie had been at Greg's house earlier earlier. So Katie thought. Jackie was probably watching. Jaden Belinda got into the car with Greg and she asked him right away where Jaden was and he he said I told you he's in the hospital. He told Belinda that Jaden was in the new Marysville Hospital. Now the hospital wasn't even built yet. But BELINDA I didn't know that so. She demanded that he take her there to see her son. Greg skirts that though he told her that she was drunk and the hospital staff with think badly of her if she showed up to see her son in that condition. He was adamant that he wouldn't take their shoes drunk. You told her she needed to sleep and take her to see Jaden in the neck in the morning yet. Melinda argued but she finally agreed to go home and sleep off the alcohol so Greg I drove to his house and when he pulled into the driveway he saw that his his front windows were broken. There were holes in the windows and jagged pieces of glass in the yard. Greg and Belinda went inside and Greg ran through the house house looking in all the rooms and in the cabinets. He told Belinda that he knew his ex girlfriend. EVONNE was responsible Reagan. Yvonne had had a very volatile toll relationship with violence repeated breakup and even restraining orders recently. Yvonne Belinda had been feuding as well they they had done pranks on one another made abusive phone calls and even vandalized one another's property when they sai each other really wasn't uncommon for one of them. I'm to call out slut or whore at the other one. So Belinda believed that Yvonne was the one who had swept her children into each other's beds as a sick joke and Belinda. Linda had followed up by spray painting profanity on the front window of the store where von worked but really at the heart of the feud was. Belinda is relationship with Gregg of course so it made sense that Greg Thought Yvonne was responsible or at least tried to put it off on her. Here's a Greg was looking for something something in the House. Belinda didn't know what he was looking for so she laid down on the living room floor near the heater and she was playing Griggs Nintendo game and according to the video game display. It was three or four in the morning. Greg said nothing about Jaden Burns and he didn't say Jaden was missing either. He called all divine at three zero nine in the morning screened at her before hanging up angrily then after about ten more minutes he decided to take Belinda home. He began rushing out the door and she complained that she was tired and she wanted to stay. She was under the impression that Jaden was in the hospital. It didn't occur to her that the broken windows could be related needed to her or her son. As they left the house they saw severed pig's head on the gravel and Greg's front yard was shocking. I guess but they kept on going to Belinda. His House the got to her house at about three twenty in the morning Winston side. Belinda lay down on the floor in a living room and bread. said he was gonNA leave because he wanted to find out who had vandalized his house in. Belinda was still drunk but she'd gotten her second win so she called Brett McGrath's house the guy she'd you'd been flirting with to see if he got home okay but he wasn't home so then she called Julie the baby sitter to check on her daughter Briana and a check of maybe Jaden in was with her and not in the hospital after all. So can you explain that to me. No I don't have an explanation. Okay because as if she really believed he was in the hospital why she calling the babysitter and asking her that. I don't know argus. The only thing is she's heavily intoxicated and she's just not thinking clearly. Well Julie answered the phone told Belinda. That Jaden was with Greg so this did set off some alarms and Belinda mind. So Belinda called Greg's house from her house and he did answer any told her he was trying to figure out who had vandalized his house. Belinda asked him to come back to her house not asking about Jaden it all and as she waited for Greg to come back she fell asleep on her floor again. It was an hour and a half later when Greg woke her and he was in an apparent panic they had to go to the police he said because Jaden was missing. Belinda had pretty much passed out from her excessive alcohol consumption and she woke up to greg slapping her face and yelling at her to wake up. He was crying and yelling. I've lied to lied to you. Jane's not in the hospital he's missing. So Belinda was disoriented but she got off the floor and got into Greg's car with him and he drove them to the police station by now. It's close us to five. Am Greg went to the counter and frantically told the constable there that a fourteen month old boy had been abducted and then he told them about the broken windows and and the pig's head. Belinda was still drunk and she was confused. She said that Greg was wrong. That Jaden was actually in the hospital but Greg was crying and he insisted insisted that Jaden had disappeared. Two officers were sent to Greg's house while Greg and Belinda were separated for interviews and in her interview. Hey Belinda was very confused. The detective told her that her boyfriend had killed her son and she wasn't sure what to believe so she was interviewed all that day and didn't return home until about ten PM. Sunday night naive run and Greg had broken up just a couple of weeks before Jaden disappeared and even though Greg was in a relationship with Belinda. He certainly wasn't over. Yvonne Man's brother Kenny. Absolutely hated Greg and when Greg Greg was continuing to call her. Kenny threatened him. He told Greg Leave Yvonne alone. I'm GONNA beat the shit out of you. So Kenny was brooding over. How Greg was continuing? We know harass his sister. He had talked to another boyfriend. Vons about it named Darren. So Darren heard the Greg was still calling Yvonne he he uncanny were very angry and they started thinking of ways to get back at Greg so this is when they decided to breaking the windows in his house. Leaving a severed pig's head in his yard yard was a great idea. I don't how you get to that point where you think that's a good idea. It seems like a bit of a leap. It's a big leap isn't it. I mean these two guys is sound like the rest of the crew so I would think they'd just go over and beat the crap out of him something like that but no they're much more inventive. Well I guess Greg had kind history where he'd had a pet pig and when the pig had been slaughtered. He kept parts of the pig in his freezer to remember him by or something. So there's a bunch of weirdness here are. Yeah but I guess that they thought throwing a pig's head through Greg's window would be kind of like something you see in the mafia movies. Kenny had two pigs at his home that he had been raising for food and he killed one of them a few days earlier and then on the day before Jaden went missing dissing he decided to kill the other one so after killing the pig in his yard he actually hung the pigs body in his shower to drain the blood and kept the pig's head so slaughtering animals in their yards was something they did and this is not a farm no so the plan was that Novon would drop off. Kenny and Darren at Greg's house where they would throw the head through a front window after being dropped off. Kenny endearing watched Greg's house for several roll minutes. Greg's car was in his driveway pointed towards the yard with his trunk open. They saw great come out of the House. He walked to a large garbage ben and dropped a white plastic bag inside a few minutes. Later Greg got into his car drove away. So Kenny went through the pig's head at the window. But it just bounced off. It didn't break through the glass so he did it again until it. He thought it went through the window. But it didn't. It was lying on the ground. So I'm going to Take a wild guess and think that these guys were probably a little bit drunk to were probably under the influence of something. Yeah but then. Kenny endearing threw rocks said the house and they did break several windows. They heard dogs barking like crazy but they said they never heard a child Cry Kenney said he hid beneath a window for for several minutes so if there had been a baby inside he would have heard the baby crying Yvonne went back and pick them up a couple of blocks away and then they stopped at at the Mini Mart for cigarettes and soda before they returned to advance house then it was three. Oh nine when great called Evan's house and he didn't mention mentioned Jaden was missing or that child had been in the house like if he thought that they took the child. You think he would have said something right so it so happens. A great had been pulled over that night by the police yet kind of the early morning after most of this shit had happened. He was given a Breathalyzer Sir which was negative now. The policeman was very familiar with Greg. He Knew Greg was a cocky guy who always talked back to the police but that night greg was pretty subdued. The officer looked in the car's back seat but didn't open the trunk significant thing though is Greg didn't mention Jane at all nor did he. He mentioned the pigs header. The broken windows in this was after Greg had taken Belinda to her house when he found his home. Advantage is so you would think this would be something you'd mentioned into the police right. Sheriff Kweisi would now that Sunday homicide detective recalled in for the apparent objection of a child. Although gray claimed Jaden was is missing. Police believes that there is probably a homicide involve. Greg told detectives early that morning that he had left Jane alone at his house when he left to go pickup occur. Belinda the club he had. I mean at this point. Police aren't able to confirm if Jaden was dead or alive he may have been taken by a family member. You know his natural father maybe or a stranger. The pigs had incident could have been completely on related. The police were well aware of of the volatile relationship. Between von and Greg I mean. Let's be honest. The police were familiar with this group of people who spent their whole was getting into trouble of some sort. Yeah so and there have been numerous incidents of breaking restraining orders. And these complaints of vandalism. It's really nothing new to police police except now poor. Jade is involved so when he talked to the police Greg told them he believed Yvonne was responsible for the windows. And for the pig's head but they didn't believe the DEVAN had anything to do with Jaden disappearance and of course jeans. Whereabouts are the priority not the vandalized house and insignificantly Greg's windows only at small holes in them from the rocks that were thrown and no one had knocked out the jagged edges to get access to climb into the house? There was also no dirt or blood inside the house. Also the blinds and the curtains and the furniture were totally undisturbed. So if anyone had entered the house while Greg was away they would have had to have had a key because he swore that he locked the doors and Yvonne is brought into the station and she folded pretty quickly talked about her part in the vandalism. She told she had driven the car. And she identified. Kenyan Darren his being involved and these guys were also interviewed and they all three of them ended up giving the same story but on the other hand. Greg story just wasn't believable. Oh so police thanking the vandalism had been coincidence the actions of Yvonne Darren and Kenny had nothing to do with a child abduction. The investigation was about whether it was greg. Greg and Belinda or an unknown person who is responsible for Jane's disappearance. Yeah now the local hospitals that were open called and there was no record of Jaden being there and Greg admitted he had made the story up completely to blend on the phone but he never gave an explanation of why he did that. He just kind of talked in circles and he wasn't mentally well and he was very manipulative as well. And Belinda was acting both as a grieving mother and as a suspect she had mood swings from being distraught to just wanting to go home and sleep sleep. She said that she wanted to sleep. And wake up and find that the disappearance was just a bad dream so to me that shows that that she kind of wants to do purposeful denial which is kind of what she's been doing all along with Gregg watching Jaden and the things that were happening wing right. It's just easier to choose not to know about things and I believe that's what she was coming from in our Greg wasn't being held by the police place. They had decided to follow him and follow his movements to see if he would return to wear it hidden Jaden spotty if in fact Jaden was dead so elsa made a decision not to impound his car. They wanted to examine it but they wanted more to let Greg Remain Mobile in Casey could lead them to Jaden. They did know the chain was dead would have done immediate forensic testing on his vehicle right but if Jaden was alive and and she was just somewhere may be injured or badly hurt. The only way for the police to have any chance at saving him is to let greg go off and maybe foul L. him somewhere. You know on the very slim chance that they might find the child and he might be okay right so greg left the police station at two. AM on Monday morning morning and he drove straight to Linda's house Linda was home and she noticed for the first time. That Jaden Room was messed up when she got home. Drunk the night before yes. She hadn't bothered to check Jason's room but she remembered she had left the reme- with his bed made and now the bedding was all messed up. The mattress was on the floor and the curtains were knocked falling off of a rod so someone had been in that room so it would seem when Belinda I. I left the police station. She felt sure that Greg had killed her son. The police had convinced her and she told her mother that she wanted to torture Greg to get the truth out of him but then when great showed up at her house. BELINDA seemed to change her mind completely. He apologized and she believed he was innocent at at least for a while. But you know Belinda was clearly feeling some guilt and I'd have to say rightly so she'd give her son to a man who had abused him before and she knew it then she continued partying after she was told that Jaden had been injured. I mean no decent mother would do that so maybe it was just easier for her hard to believe Greg than to accept that she had turned her son over to his killer so she could go out drinking. So that's maybe why. She wanted to accept his apology. The only way I can put it together. Yeah I think so. POLENTA did become griggs. Biggest defender Brig was upset and he cried cried. More than Belinda did. Linda didn't believe that Jaden was dead. She continued to be hopeful. That ivine was hiding. Jaden all part of some elaborate Britt crank between bouts of crying. Greg Make Jokes Act as if nothing had happened. The search for Jaden Leschi involved involved over thirty police officers in twenty volunteers. Forensics processed Greg's house in the garbage bin outside. They found a plastic bag that had five thirty tissues inside of it. Some of the tissues were twisted up. Like you would if you were putting them up a nose to stop a bloody but he knows or maybe even a bleeding ear. They also found six hundred dollars in cash under Greg's mattress and the cash was wet. The bills were laid out flat as if to dry them and the wet money really provided a connection with griggs wallet which police had found soaking wet in his car. Dr It really didn't look like it had been dropped into a puddle or splash. It appeared that it had been immersed in water. Also police had found. Greg's jacket was wet in lying in the back seat of his car. There had been some rain on Saturday but not enough to soak the jacker wall at like they were. Linda told investigator she was too distraught to speak to the media even though the police had called her and they wanted her to make a plea for Jane's return which she said. No No. I'm onto upset. I can't okay but then they found out that Belinda had given an interview to a TV show called today tonight and she had been paid for this interview so that just makes her look horrible. Belinda was talked to by homicide detectives then and when she finally agreed to speak to the media and ask for Jaden to be returned unharmed but judgment of Belinda by the public became very harsh me. She looked sympathetic. Authentic but the facts of the case really looked bad once you learned anything about it. Yeah officials and volunteers were searching lake. Nero can and when Dara Damn that Tuesday the lake was about eight kilometers from Greg's house and the dam was Twenty some kilometers from town. Great Lesku is out of ten working but he returned after being notified of his son's disappearance took him some time to get the money to fly home. The local business owners donated money to help them yet. But then Greg Belinda left town on Wednesday June eighteenth now of course they were under under constant surveillance but it was just a stupid thing to do. And why would you leave town if your child's missing public sympathy for Belinda. Was Fading Away Way because she was spending a lot of time. With Jaden suspected killer. The couple returned to the police station and they did give blood samples but then they were both eager to leave. Leave the area to escape the media chaos and the public judgment but finally friends convinced them that if they kept leaving they were just GonNa look more guilty. They needed to stay. I put no once he was back in town. Brett Leschi was interviewed by the police Once he knew the details he just got more and more angry and he. He ended up speaking to anyone who asked him for an interview. He wanted a son back and he just couldn't believe how anyone would have left one year. Old Child home alone. Yes Greg finally gave a video recorded interview with the police on Thursday June nineteenth. He explained that he had met Brett in school. And they had worked together on cars and then he had met Belinda through Brett and he had been regularly babysitting Jaden for months when asked about his time with Jaden. On the previous Saturday Briggs said they had spent the day working on a car laying with the dogs and playing Nintendo. These are three things that a one year old doesn't do worth it could be tough. Claimed Nintendo Pendo as a one-year-old. Maybe the dogs. Yeah but this wasn't safe and this was all stuff he wanted to do. It wasn't anything for Jaden Sake and a really weird thing is. He said. They didn't need all day. Greg hadn't eaten breakfast and he wasn't hungry for lunch either and he said that Jaden wasn't hungry either. He said he assumed that Belinda had fed Jaden before he picked him up and he explained that he had once tried to feed Jaden cereal but Jaden had refused to eat it so this time he just didn't in bother. Yeah you know this is a guy of force fed. The kid peanut butter sandwiches till he vomited. So maybe Jaden just said. I'm not gonNA eat anything at this guys. Giving given me. He might think that we share so after he worked on his card. Greg City took Jaden inside the House and put them in front of the heater to warm up the great the scape was on TV. and Greg watched it with shade and because he wanted Jaden to learn man things he agreed. Said Jaden had stood in front of the heater for too long and had burnt his bottom. He said he seemed okay though and he wasn't crying so greg said he normally would not have left Jaden alone but it was different on Saturday night because Jaden was sound asleep. He said he left the house locked. Picked up Belinda and drove her home. But Great. Couldn't explain why you didn't tell Belinda. The jaden was the house then but told her that he was in the hospital. You're an important detail. Yeah I mean it doesn't make sense. He he said he got to his house and saw that it had been vandalized. The door was still locked. He said but when he went inside Jaden was missing. He said he searched the cupboards thinking. That maybe Jaden had woken up and he was afraid and he crawled into a cabinet to hide going over griggs movements that night. There is some sometime that was unaccounted for. Remember Belinda called him about twenty times between four forty five and thirty in the morning but he didn't answer the phone. Greg insisted he had not left the house at all except to pick up Belinda. He said his neighbor and Melinda's neighbor must've been confused mistaken but he had no answer about. Why hit not mentioned? That Jaden was missing when police pulled him over. Let's huge holiness story. Well there are a lot of holes great. Well that's a pretty big one but that's a big one. Ninety explained the bloody tissues in the garbage bin by saying it Jaden had fallen over and hurt his nose or lip. He couldn't even remember which then he said. Jaden had a scab on his nose which one of the Doug had licked off causing him to bleed so this is just going on in circles. The remembered cutting himself on Saturday and said some of the blood and the tissues may have been his. Yes so after Greg left that night. Detectives brought Belinda back in for another interview at this point. Belinda was completely on Greg side. She had spent the night with him and she was defending him. She was told if she insisted on collaborating with the prime suspect then she was going to be treated like a suspect as well. So Belinda really couldn't have looked much worse this to the public at this point and the police told her you know lady you've forsaken your son and you're on the side of the suspected killer that it does not look good so you're a suspect to but surprisingly greg head quite a few supporters. But they didn't know how inconsistent his story ory was because he's telling different people different things. He told one person that his wallet got wet from falling into a puddle and he told another person it got wet when he left it in the trunk of his car. And I guess Belinda was just continuing to be confused when the police told her Jaden had probably been killed by Greg then she started believing them again but then she went and spent more time with Greg and she was again convinced of his innocence. So she's it's just really. I hate to say stupid. But what's wrong with her stupidity. Okay is that your medical diagnosis snuff so on Monday. June twenty Third Lake Narcan was drained as well as nearby swamps and marshes. Great told his friends Francis they wouldn't find anything there he said. The police were just wasting their time. Since much of the evidence pointed to water the police believed that Jaden had been hidden in or near the water so as the search on the Linda lost custody of her daughter Brianna to Brett Leschi then on July first homicide unit announced onset. The investigation was now a murder investigation. They didn't believe there's any chance that Jaden was still alive. There is a mind shift that became the target of the search. Greg fished in the area and he knew the dam nearby very well all the searches were dead ends. So a decision was made to charge Greg with murder without a body yes greg was arrested and he was held in jail pending his trial once he was locked up. Belinda became convinced of his guilt again. She started to think more about Greg's behavior with Jaden and she wrote an accusing letter to Greg in in the letter. She said that she knew he was guilty. She wanted to visit him in jail and kill him but then in early August Belinda changed her mind again and said she believed Greg was innocent. She had gone to visit him in jail. And now she was blaming the police for framing Greg but she would change your mind again by October blaming Greg again. There were reports that autumn. That Ba Linden Greg were engaged now. BELINDA would deny this. The story was that she had visited him in jail and he had given her a ring that his mother had smuggled into the jail and proposed to her in a lot of people. Think that really did happen. It wouldn't be a surprise now. Really not much would surprise me about this New Year's Day nineteen ninety eight. There is a family picnicking at Blue Rock Dam. When the son of the family found Jaden 's body floating body was decomposed but had been preserved enough by the cold water that he could be recognized? Kidneys when Belinda heard that the body of a child had been found. She went out to the damn she cried. Wanted to give her son a final hug. But she's who's kept away so other things were found with Jaden. There was a plastic bag with a baby bottle in it there was also some blue rope. There was something the thing that looked like an industrial bag to that was weighed down with some kind of a steel bar and the industrial bag turned out to be asleep bag tied to a crowbar. You're the sleeping bag had burst open so that the Zipper was closed but the stitching was torn. The plastic bag had been stuffed into the sleeping bag and the sleeping bag had been tied to the Crowbar and dropped into the water. Some items taken out of the sleeping bag in the water were laid out on a white piece of canvas and there were items found that Belinda had packed for Jaden that Saturday when he was with Greg so these items included the baby bottle an apple a bib and his clothing in prison. Greg collapsed when he heard that Jane's body had been found in the newspaper for a friend of Greg's recognize the Crowbar. He had loaned to Greg. He said that he had asked Greg about getting some tools back from him prior to his arrest. But Greg Reagan said. He didn't know where the Crowbar was. Now I'll crowbars pretty much look alike but it is kind of a coincidence that the crowbar was missing tool and Jaden was found tied to a crowbar in did. We're GONNA talk a little bit about his injuries. So Jaden had a fractured skull. He also had two fractures of his arm which had been bandaged. Jaden was found in some of the clothing. His Mom Belinda had sent with him when he was with with Gregg and his body had been weighed down in the water with the Crowbar. The bandage was an elastic type of bandage on his left arm and it covered his skin from elbow to wrist. The autopsy would show that his arm had been broken no more than two days before the death due to there being no signs of healing but this fracture would have caused so much pain. That probably is arm had been broken near the time of his death. It's not like he would go around for days with this break and be okay so this broken arm brought up many questions in the trial. An orthopedic Surgeon testified the type of fracture Jaden had wasn't consistent with a fall or a blow. Oh such as would have happened. If the car had fallen on his arm it looked like someone had grabbed Jaden and snapped his arm between his two hands. So the cause of Jane's death was determined to have come from a skull fracture. But I'm GonNa have you tell us just a little bit about broken broken arms and child abuse are broken bones and child abuse skin bones. But I think the biggest thing we're taught is that if there's unexplained breaking of bones or bones it normally wouldn't be broken. You should suspect abuse so in kids fractured ribs or a huge indicator of abuse. Little Kids and the type of fracture I mean kids bones are soft. I guess you could put it. And when they break they tend to crack. It's called green stick fractures so say someone had put some twisting force on an arm or leg. You get a fracture. That's not the typical through through fracture or in this case where they suspect that somebody had grabbed Liam and snapped his arm between two hands. Yet could look a different way from if heavyweight had fallen on it so I'd be suspicious with the type of fracture that it was inflicted and not not accidental. So if you have a green stick fracture of the to who lower arm bones and appearance show up at the Er with a one year old. What happens child? Protective services gets called among other things. I mean the first thing if I'm looking at a kid. That has an unexplained fracture on the net pen scan his whole body and see his older fractures sewer older healing fractures crew. Very often there are right okay. There was also a drug prince exile. Yeah Ben Heck. Seoul was found in Jaden blood so this is a medication that used to be prescribed to treat Parkinson's disease but Jaden had been drugged with this within hours of his death. So I looked it up. Some of the side effects include dizziness sedation and even hallucinations. It's been used as a recreational national drug as well which might explain why it would be in Greg's house so it's likely that this medication would have been given to Jaden to to put him to sleep. The prosecution believed that Greg had abused Jaden and broken his arm. Then Greg didn't take Jane to the hospital because he didn't want to get into trouble able so instead he gave him this drug to stop him from screaming and crying and the onset of action of the drug is usually one to two hours when taken orally. Now I would imagine that's with adults and things are different with children. William I suppose you could think that the bins heck saw would be some kind China pain reliever but it really doesn't offer pain relief. It just kind of sedates if he does that and you can see the two to scenario though if he broke the little kids arm in whatever fit of rage and the kid wouldn't stop crying gives them the drug. He still won't start crying because it hurts like hell mashes him in the head right. Well that's why I wonder about the room. I'm being messed up. If maybe he tried to put jade in his bed there to try and cover the whole thing up but that didn't work out no in remember. The the Linda's neighbor was pretty sure she had seen his car. Yes Yup even though he says now wasn't me well Linden Katie. After looking at photos of live jade's body Bolt said that his hair looked longer than it had been when they last saw him so they suggested that maybe someone had abducted Jaden and kept him alive for some sometime but the skin around here and fingernails actually receives after death so this wasn't considered to be a significant thing. Now Greg had been in jail for fourteen months before his trial began. That's how old Jaden was when month for each month of life. The trial began in October of nineteen. Ninety eight in the trial was revealed some blood fan and Jaden BIB and pants matched that of an unknown woman. This did not match any of the women involved in the case or in Jaden life in any way but a coroner's inquest would eventually discovered that the Split Evans have been contaminated by evidence from an unrelated rape case that was handled by the same lab. So that hurts. It's the case of course. The prosecution focused Greg's history of abusive behavior. Also has conflicting stories about what happened happened on the night that Jaden disappeared they brought up. How on several occasions Greg was seen by friends locking Jaden outside with the dogs and ignoring during him when he cried? Also Jaden had been returned from Greg's house with Abrasions and bruises. Belinda had overlooked these incidents at the time but but there was also some indication that Belinda herself had abused Jaden an examination of x rays taken of Jane showed a possible rib fracture that had significantly differently healed meaning. It was probably occurred what months before he died. At least week's yeah. Yeah and that's one of the ones you mentioned. That's a strange injury injury for a child. That age would be suspicious again. You very often gonNA find refresher on kids infants. That are abused right because usually by the time they get any help. They've been abused for awhile. Yes yeah unfortunately. But a Belinda had admitted admitted to kicking Jaden to several people so people were aware of that but of course no one had done anything then either to protect Jaden. So despite circumstantial evidence that gray had killed Jaden along with the fact that Jaden was in his care and Greg was the last person to be with Jaden. Greg was acquitted. He wasn't even convicted of child abuse. Neglect and Belinda wasn't charged at all. So the the entire story is one of a failure to protect or get justice for Jaden. This one year old baby who was completely dependent on the adults in his life who didn't didn't take care of him and didn't keep them safe in due to double jeopardy laws Greg's not going to be retried for the same crime. Despite bite the evidence pointing towards him having played a part in Jaden disappearance and or death he was found to be not guilty was later determined. The gray hit allegedly confess to a fellow inmate while he was in custody and in this confession Greg allegedly told the mate that Jaden staff had been an accident. Gregory said that while he is out working in his car something had happened. The Class Jack Vehicle to fall on Jaden this would have explained. Aden's broken arm As well as the painkillers it later found in his blood. Well no it doesn't because the fracture of his arm wasn't consistent with a heavy object falling on it right but greg's mind it was an explanation right of why his arm was broken and why he had given him the drugs but yet it's not a valid explanation. No however the testimony the inmate was found to be inadmissible and it wasn't allowed in the trial. Well well yeah because the inmate was known as a liar so he wasn't going to be credible so there were new inquests in two thousand four and two thousand six very critical of both Greg and the Victorian polices forensic science unit. Whose mishandling of evidence made it really difficult to reexamine or use this years later? No one other than Greg has been charged with or suspected in Jade's murder there does remain a small possibility that great. It could be retried because Australia has made some exceptions to their double jeopardy laws. In some rare cases where suspects have been acquitted. They have been retried years later. If new evidence is found her those key thing right new evidence and it has to be significant. So we'll talk about that a little bit uh gray so according to a two thousand eighteen article in the Sydney Morning Herald most states and territories in Australia have have had changes in the laws to allow someone to be tried twice for an offense but only in exceptional circumstances. Most states require that for someone to be charged charged again for an offense that they have previously been acquitted of there must be new slash. Fresh evidence compelling evidence and it must be a serious offence such as murderer rape also. In all the circumstances. It's in the interests of justice for the order to be made so it has to be. You know we're going to get justice for this. If we are able to do this which I would think would be in most cases right run in New South Wales else. The offense must be a life sentence offence to be tried again meeting. The maximum term of imprisonment must be life before a person can be charged a second time time in Queensland the serious offence must be either murder or have a possible imprisonment of twenty five years or longer and in South Australia. Talia it must be a category a offense so in order for the evidence to be fresh and compelling it must not have been presented in the previous the preceding and not been available than either it also must be very reliable and it must be substantial. Of course the exception can't be used just where a person was acquitted of a more serious offense but convicted of a lesser offense so if someone is convicted of manslaughter but not of murder you can't take them back and recharge charged them with murder back in two thousand. Belinda became pregnant with another child and she gave birth to a son who she named Caleb Caleb Aidan Williams. She married the father of this baby Jeremy Williams in late two thousand one and they wanted to honor Jaden by putting part heart of his name in their new son's name so as middle name is aiden Jaden without the J.. Pretty certain that Belinda did not kill Jaden but you know she left him with a known abuser and went out to drink and party then even after hearing stories of her son being injured and taken to the hospital she continued to party so her behavior is not murder but she definitely showed poor judgment and she definitely neglected her son but over the years. Belinda has shown regret for her mistakes as a mother and she and Jeremy had a second son to who they named Coren. So I really don't know how to feel about that because I really don't think that she should have children. But then on the other hand should we be able to forgive her. You didn't read her letter that she sent to. Greg Greg I did read it yes I just didn't I decided not to include it because it was lengthy. Well if you read that that letter all you can think of these. All I could think of was this piece of Shit. Thinks that she can apologize for how she treated her son. And everything's do things okay. Yeah no no she should have been punished. I mean really. She should have been tried for what for abuse and Neglect Act. I mean that's your baby. You're responsible to take care of that. Baby they took her daughter out of her home. Yeah right so how was she able all to remarry and have two kids. I mean it reminds me of that sugar babe lady who had a whole bunch of kids taken away and then went and had another bunch of kits. It's I think once a kid is taken away. That's it you don't get another chance. You lose your permit for parent. Yeah being a parent is not a right. I mean it's a privilege so you shouldn't just be allowed to do that now. I really think from the letter. She did sound like she felt guilty and like she had probably grown some mm-hmm and she was probably a more responsible mother with these other children but at the same time does that really matter doesn't make it right where you could also read that letter litter as a self serving meaningless letter. It is a bit self serving Allegri. I mean she has a lot of guilt and she's trying to make herself feel better. Okay so the resources for this episode were a book called the Jaden Leschi murder by Michael Gleeson and some articles from the Sydney Morning Herald one about contamination in the Leschi case and one about explaining double jeopardy in Australia. Also some articles from the Herald Sun and one of them about the Jaden whiskey murder trial and another about how his death will haunt. Everyone until the killer is convicted. Now I don't see that a killer will ever be convicted and they'll never be justice for this child where they're not going to retry. Greg are they. I don't think so I I mean unless something really significant was to come about but now we're talking like twenty years. It's been here so it's just a totally sad case. What can we take away from this? That would be positive. Herm Franken okay. I don't have any positives. Well maybe we can learn a little bit from it sure so thank you to Tristen for theme music and a bit of housekeeping. We're going to be taking a week off again January seventh but other than that. We're going to have a new episode so every Tuesday morning plus we'll have our members only episodes. If you haven't joined team Tiger ever why the hell not you know it's fun. It's cheap and all all the kids are doing it. Don't you WANNA be one of the cool kids but seriously were really working. Hard on commercial free members only episodes which we put out at least once a month and recent episodes include the murder of Adrian Reynolds Schon lists family murders. ABC Shurmur the wife killing preacher. Christopher Porco who axed his parents for their life insurance money the list goes on and on of horrible people coming up. We're working handsome. Research on amber hilling who allegedly pushed her husband from a window in their high rise apartment. Also we're looking at the murder of San Antonio. Oh mother of three Susan McFarland. You can be a tiger member for as little as four dollars a month and wink you join. You have your choice of a welcome to the brewery gift which will send to you with a Nice handwritten. Thank you know. Just go to Tigra DOT COM. Click UNSUBSCRIBE and you'll learn more. Okay K Dick has some good feedback. Today he's very excited about sharing. What have you got dick? I've got a voicemail and some emails. How about that sounds good so so the voice mail is from Orissa and she has some beer recommendations for us so I I knew you always wanted to have new recommendations? I usually for cases but for beer. Okay a Dickin- Gel this is Marissa from Illinois. I just wanted to call and say thank you for the great podcasts. I'm new to the PODCAST game. I recently started home brewing and I was trying to find a good podcast about beer and some build upon yours And I love listening. Thank you guys so thank you so much for the great content. I do have some Beer recommendations for deck if you guys ever have a case either Illinois or Wisconsin I have two boys for you. The first one is a Wisconsin. Brewery is called glamorous. And you can't really go wrong at all. I'm with any of their beer. There's really good. I live pretty close to the border and See and I've taken a few trips. Destroy go get some of their beer. The other one is in Illinois Company is called revolution an awesome My boyfriend really likes anti hero. Which is an EPA and a really big fan of their holiday ale called fitness F.? I. S. T. M. A.. Asked ask both are really really good delicious beers. So if you ever have a case Out here I hope you will consider trying them but thank you so much for an awesome. podcast it's great listening. Thank you Marisa. Those are two good brewery soon. I was checking. I didn't think it had any beers from either one and I haven't US Oh definitely next. Illinois case or Wisconsin case will hook up with those breweries. One of the brewers and drink a good beer from all right sounds good okay now. We got some emails. This is for you Joe. This is from a lady in Benita which you might recognize right so this was an email we got from Benita Alexander in. She was the fiance of the doctor. Who made the faulty not tricks that were killing people and also had a whole other family while he was engaged to her Palo Makia Riney? So Benita wrote I stumbled across just your podcast about the downfall of Palo tonight as I was searching for something else generally. I don't torture myself by listening to people who offer their armchair analysis of my story and Palo's outrageous lies but I have to say you too impressed me. You not only done your homework thoroughly. You raise all the questions that need to be asked. You also amused me. Gills Blunt hilarious comments such as uncommon. Fucker had me chuckling out loud I appreciate Gills Gentle Defensive Mea moments when Dick was skeptically questioning. Why in the hell? I didn't hear alarm bell screaming much sooner than I did. Love unfortunately can indeed make us very blind anyway. I thought you might find this article interesting if you haven't seen it already. And she sent us a link to an article she wrote. It isn't really as dramatic because it sounds as he won't actually have to serve any time behind bars. This is Italy after all where he is deeply connected so it amounts to more of a stern warning or are a probation however you want to characterize it it's another blemish on his once seemingly impeccable resume but it still doesn't amount to much of a punishment punishment for his medical and scientific crimes. I'll be tuning in again. Great Show so thank you Benita. Thank you very much now. I know you clicked on the Lincoln. Read the the articles. So what can you tell us about it. Well as she said it sounds worse than it actually was. The article is from MED. Scape which is just a Doctor type of thing or they published different articles and has talked about him being sentenced to sixteen months in prison for illegally. Perform a procedure seizure. Not not his Faulty Trachea but he did a procedure and then he falsified the records or disposed to the records or something to escape Detection so it sounds like he's gone in prison for sixteen months but as Miss Alexander stated he didn't have to Surrey won't actually have to serve any jail realtime right that's just one more black mark against oc democracy me. Well you know. In my opinion once doctor does something shady shady like that that puts a person's life endanger even. Kill someone. They should be a doctor anymore. I mean fewer. US doctor he would have his license stripped ripped so the laws in Italy different. That's what it is his connected as she said Yeah. I just don't think that anyone should be able to operate on a person if they're not one hundred percent trustworthy. We're talking about people's lives here. We are the other interesting thing Ari talked about. How the Karolinska Orlinsky institute kind conveniently ignored the sirens? That regarding off about Dr Macarena. Because they wanted the prestige associated did with him. It was a fascinating story. Really just a Spinney to said love is blind. I guess love in the case of the Carolin institute was equally blind and yeah because didn't she speak to some doctors who said that he was basically murdering people were absolutely horrific. Okay so next. We have the question about a case from Allison Allison says I'm a relatively new listener. But it only took me a couple of episodes to decide to join team tigr ever. I've been listening being in the car while doing housework. And when I get into bed at night. Despite the sometimes grisly subject matter I find your voices extremely relaxing. I came across awesome perplexing case with a bizarre medical twists that I thought would be interesting to dissect pun intended probably in Philadelphia. Nineteen Sixty Four thirty-three-year-old three-year-old Kelvin. Jones was driving around with his girlfriend. twenty-three-year-old Sarah Tober when the two got into an argument and he proceeded to beat her with a rubber for host. He drove around for hours with her unconscious body until he realized that she had died and then he went to a police station to turn himself self in for murder. However when the medical examiner performed the autopsy he concluded that she would have died of a rare blood disease by the morning regardless of the beating she had sickle cell? Anemia and the autopsy report attributed her death to natural causes. Ultimately Jones was only charged with assault and battery and did plead guilty to those charges. I would love to hear Dixie medical opinion on this case. Is it possible for the Ma to know for sure that Saratoga would have died in near hours. Anyway are there medical advancements that would more accurately determine that today over or fifty years later. I love your podcast and I'll definitely keep sending my money each month for the disturbing material the clever married Banter and Dick's peer reviews news. made the poor's with you all right. Thanks Allyson groner house and I like that one. Yeah so that is fascinating though. What do you think well? You can't make that statement. I wouldn't think so either. That's what I thought. So that's the short answer sickle cell. Anemia is Disorder where a single amino acid is switched in the chain for hemoglobin producing sickle cell disease. Or if is only one of them sickle cell trait and what that means is it. Under certain conditions you can have a episodes of thrombosis or cladding in the blood vessel. So you can have these sickle cell crises that can lead to death not in that time period. Will you can be hospitalized in. There are some things they can can dude at least temporarily save you right. Oh sure yeah so. I don't see how he could say that. So yes you can find out or determine that she did. It has sickle cell anemia. But there's absolutely no way for him to say with any degree of certainty that she would have died within a short time from natural causes. Well this might be a stupid question. But I'm going to ask it anyway. If the beating was making her have internal bleeding could that put her into a sickle cell crisis. Well well there's lots of things because crisis infection stress and so on so sure may be the the trauma from the beating provoked the sickle cell crisis. That's what I'm thinking but even then I mean that's kind of posing affect well exactly I mean just because I don't know I'm trying to think of another example of such a thing where someone would be murdered. And maybe they wouldn't have died if they didn't have a certain condition. It doesn't mean it's not murder you're right makes sense. Yeah Yeah but I guess the answer Allison Question of no. There wasn't any way that he could give this diagnosis pseudo. She would have been dead very quickly. So let's research that then and see how he got away with that 'cause that's fascinating to me. We're got away with it because the EMI said we'll how the emmy got away with it I mean why would an emmy say that and who would say okay and agree with that real. Heard suppose it was because maybe Sixty years ago or whatever fifty. Some years ago there wasn't as much known about sickle cell disease. That's something else in herself. Did bring up and you get an thirty like this medical examiner says. Oh yeah she. She did have these injuries but she would have died anyway with her because of her sickle cell disease. He's right earn. People will sign off on it when I guess part of that to me would also be the extent of the beating. Was it a beating. That could have been deadly so so there's a lot I'd like to look in to with that one year. That's a great one. Thanks Alison interesting case. Hey we have one more youtube comment that you can read. This is from Ma'am to nine and the youtube comment from the episode called four little witnesses which involve the murder of Sheila relish. Yes Sheila was a mother of was quadruplets or grouplets. Okay we'll four yet quadruplets right and the little babies were with her when she was murdered right and it was a murder carried out by someone her ex husband had hired right all right. So ma'am twenty nine row. So she he says I humbly disagree in this case using a belt is not abuse. The busybody neighbor did not do the right thing. The daughter was a spoiled Brat. Who didn't like being told old? No okay so if I remember correctly this was a young teen or tween daughter who was acting out. Sheila had remarried and she ran to her neighbor because her mom had hit her with a belt to discipline her and the neighbor win ahead and and called the father so the father found out where they lived. The EX husband the murderer. She's the one that got them found out where they were. The neighbor neighbor did so. I don't think the neighbor should have done that so I do think using about his abuse and I do agree though that the neighbor did the wrong thing hanging telling the ex husband Alan blackthorn a true psychotic where the family was living. I mean she didn't know the situation she didn't know who this guy was but that she did know that they were living in hiding away from him and it was none of her business. So from what I remember of the case Alan Blackthorn. The EX husband spoke to this neighbor burn kind of charmed her and she gave him information he shouldn't have had and then Sheila ended up getting murdered. Not that long after route so oh I think if the neighbor was really concerned about abuse she should have simply called the police spoken to the mother. But you don't just tell some man on the phone that you don't I don't know anything about what's going on and where he can come get his daughter that he doesn't have custody of. That's my opinion. Yes and I'll just go back to the sense in this case using a belt is not abuse it most certainly is abuse it s and and if you come into my office and tell me that you had to punish your daughter by whipping her with a belt. I'm calling child protective services. So there's no place for corporal punishment of children even if they're Bradey twelve year olds or whatever they know. I mean I almost sympathized with Sheila in this case at least the way that the story was written out to me is that the daughter was a hell Ian. But you're right. It doesn't isn't justify using a belt nowhere justifies it. Now you're right so we'll leave it at that so we disagree about that. But thank you very much for your comment. So that's sit for feedback now. If you have comments suggestions or questions you can send us an email to true crime brewery at Tigr Dot Com Bourbon. Better leave us a voicemail on our website TIGRA DOT COM by clicking on the sidebar where it says send voicemail you click on that and then there's a little microphone Gra phone. You can just talk to your computer your phone and leave us a little voice mail about a case you'd like us to look at a comment one of the cases we've covered a question. A beer suggestion a beer suggestion. Anything like that. We love voicemails leave kind of slacked off lately. So let's pick it up. Tim Okay Okay. Well thanks to everyone for listing. And we'll see you next week at the quiet ad restored at some beer. Lift bye bye. Bye The in a yeah

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