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Listener Questions: 2019 Draft plans, defensive communication issues and Tate's activation

Cincy Jungle

19:04 min | 2 years ago

Listener Questions: 2019 Draft plans, defensive communication issues and Tate's activation

"But for now, we've got a couple of live YouTube chat that I wanted to get to John. One is from Sean blanket chip at says would you activate out and Tate if only for red zone targets now just low background the Bengals recently activated into the the the roster. This you know, this last week, especially in the wake of AJ greens injury. So he is now on the fifty three man roster. But we don't know if he will be activated or not this week. You mentioned John Josh Malone was was on the the injury report on on Thursday. So that's an interesting thing. But do you think that out in take could be we've talked about this a lot because his size lack of speed, but good hands. Could he be that hybrid tight end wide receiver guy? Devin funchess Kelvin Benjamin, you know, one of these guys that can do some things in the red zone. And maybe that's where his niches as an activated player. I suppose I'll take him on. Further in, you know, for listening to the show that they know that wasn't too high on Tate even in the preseason when he was making ways. But at this point, I mean, just gotta see you have as Cody Corp introduction alone. Abs- Eric's new, I appreciate wide receiver by no as much out in Tate. Can't like you know, win a couple routes against the gala gala apples struggled immensely over's career. I just don't see what the point is even hired him on the team, you might as well just no problem out there for a couple of snaps at the X during midfield, even more. So in the rents than if you're gonna you're gonna have him on the active roster without AJ green. You're missing that. True X in your offense. It might as well, try out the sif audited in this in this specific scenario because again, the saints pacifist is not good at all in. If I know on Tate still not there yet as prospect. But if he's truly is talented in this, you know, magnificent a receiver as for to stay fans, even Bengals fans will have you say is let them prove it. Because at this point, Cody, corresponds, sure isn't. Josh Malone is basically offenses versa, Jordan, Willis, and again, just Ericsson. So you have nothing else to lose by playing him and just letting him make mistakes because it's better to let on tape me make those mistakes against the week secondary than a guy that you've seen may make them six over November. So yeah, wanna seem rents on the heck I wanna see him during midfield to can convert downs. Because we've mentioned that the offense has has struggled to keep flow in without their best receiver as can be more of a challenge. So yeah, let's see what on take due in against the week secondary. I'm for it yet. I don't I don't think we're we're talking about you know, eggs orbiting amount of snaps. You know, I, but I think there are plays it. Hey, put him out there for the place that you saw him succeed with in the preseason. Put him out there for the plays that you saw him dominate it practices in Aussies awarded. But if he's out there draw those plays up for him and get him involved. Once he that, you know, he can make Wednesday. He's comfortable with you know, those are the things. That you're going to need to do if you're asking them to maybe do some different things some things he's not used to doing. And if you're expecting the world from him because green is out and you need to replicate that production somehow as to work but red zone short yardage. You know, he's got a big big body big catching radius. So there's a little bit more margin for error on throw I guess from from Andy Dalton so you know, I'm kind of with you. Why not end that sounds funny to say because usually say that team is you know, out of the playoff race or something, you know, stored the end of the season you kinda Welby with these young guys get what young guys give us. But. I mean greens out you gotta find something. You gotta find something that works that helps the offense. So yes, I do think that given his size. I think that he could be as the question asked. He could be a good red zone. Target going forward here. Another question here. We had. Let's see. Okay. Vernon lawson. This is an interesting one in the live you to jet basically, saying, you know, with AJ green down the outlook doesn't look good stuff. But he also said now that we have a half a season under the belt. I think we've kind of been asked this before earlier in the year. But I think now that there's a half a season. Now, there's a lot of injuries in things we gotta say, well, this is where the banks do some stuff. He's he's talking about draft priorities next year. So positional draft priorities. You mentioned struggles at linebacker. The defense just is porous this this year that it's coaching. Also, maybe talented certain positions. There's a lot of tough decisions potentially for the Bengals to make two on both all coming forward. Tyler I for to give him another shot, or do you say, dude, we already gave you the the one year deal on approved thing, you still couldn't stay healthy. Even those a freak thing. Maybe time to move on tight end is a high priority. What do you do? Not is perfect. Right. I mean. In the limited time, he's what was he played two games this year. And and in those games, he didn't even play. Well, and he's been hurt or suspended this year. You can't ease been proven to be relatively unreliable in certain facets. So. Where do you look what do you prioritize in the next couple of wealth as the offseason protest? We don't want to say that the season is over because it's not agreed to write in high. There are warts on this team that are very noticeable. Yeah. And I think it's supposed on the three things just Rifi office of line still if you Motari will again, it could just be one position if they move Billy priced guard. But yeah, right titles still a need, even if Bobby hearts not been the total after that. I kind of predicted he's been okay. But they can definitely do better. There's talented tackles coming up in the draft linebacker, not only just with onto the perfect. But there's nobody else besides him win. Nick vigils non the field. He's entering the last year contract for twenty teen. And then yet for tight end may need vertical threat there because. In as much as I liked zone. Muslims you like he's you know, he still has proven to be that consistent guy there. Any look at the at the defense. The defense aligns pretty solid with Lawson healthy without will see how much that that second passer is still needed behind Lawson in the secondary. I think for the most part comfortable for where it is. Now is has ups and downs in dairy Phillips has shown some promise at slot Warner. If they're move on with dark dark Wisden are obviously another receiver would help with with depth because the guys that are developing their still haven't really shown anything. And then backup quarterback as well. But that's not you know, if they wanna keep going for another two years, it's not something I need to invest with more than more than like picks the top three needs probably still, right? Tackle linebacker tight end. Because of just so much uncertainty in such ineffectiveness. What what is there right now, she's getting probably come out the wrong way? But when I saw Alex Redman's missing of practices earlier in the week. I got a little our say cited because I don't want to be heard or anything like that. But I wish it would at least force the coaches to maybe think about the Hopkins price both starting thing and give it a shot in. Hey, we could be idiots in it doesn't work. But I think it's worth a look because Hopkins played well at a secondary position coming in for price. Price was a guard in college. Also, you know, he in any transition to center, so. It just kinda makes sense. But you know, the bangles are pretty set in their ways on that front at any rate hearted disagree with with what you're saying. I just like I said, they're just there's some tough decisions to make. And I mentioned a couple of ready. You also may need face a couple of tests tough decisions at at eggs rusher. I mean Lawson will now be coming off a shelter in. He's had an ACL tear in both knees. Now, that's not good. Michael Johnson's getting up there in age that. Yeah, you drafted to defensive ends the past two seasons with third round picks. But. Again, we talked about Willis earlier, we don't know what's going on there. And then why perceiver to yet you've invested high picks on on three guys borderline four. If you want to count Malone, but there's just not much happening behind green. And in Boyd at this point. So there's just a tough decisions at the Bengals need to face going forward. You mentioned the secondary in the Cornerbacks. It's it's a shame that William Jackson drinker. Patrick dark has Denard for burying reasons have combined for goose egg interceptions this year that that is that is not good that needs to change if the Bengals defenses to make any kind of a turnaround. So yeah, that's kinda it's hard to disagree with you on direction for the draft there. But good question there from from Vernon. Let's go with one more, and we'll get outta here. John in this is from AJ AM AJ m that's a tip of the capita, Mr. McCarron or not. But. We'll go we'll go with it. We kinda talked about this last week. Basically is it? It's just another facet of what we talked about last week. Basically, he's he or she is asking is the defense struggling due to Terrell Austin system. Or is it simple communication issues? Now, I teeter on this because. I I wrote a mail bag on this on cincy jungle, and it was based on some of these questions we received in iside, as you know, Gunther Zimmer when they drafted guys like when they were here in the team drafts guys like Patrick in the first round Denard the first round Jackson. I these are pressman corners, these guys that you wanna put on an island, and these guys that could get physical with receivers jam up all that kind of stuff. They also have good pretty good speed that can think play catchup if they get beat that sort of thing. With what those guys Zimmer gutter like to do they like to kind of leave those guys on the on the islands a bit. Yeah, they use the safety to help out there. But it it would do a lot of island coverages with those guys try in then try and get pressure up front. Now that's been all kinds of inconsistent this year in to meet up wants to Austin. You see this is where I get confused on. Pro football focus is ratings because they they are all about Jesse Bates. Jessie Bates is headed good season. He's done a lot of good things. He's created a lot of turnovers, but I see a lot of communication issues in the back end of this defense in part of that has to do with Bates's inexperience also Williams is learning to play with baits. He played with a local for longtime. He also mixed in with Reggie Nelson for long time. So he's learning to play with Bates. They're all learning Austin system. But it seems to me that there's a very a very high amount of big. Passes big touchdowns and a lot of looking around at each other. And where are you type of thing your thoughts? Yeah. I think it's like you said a combination of both just wanna looking at the line backer as much be transcends to more than just an awesome thing. But just in the recent history just the Bengals defense. They don't they don't ask their linebackers to do a lot. And they ended up get- getting very little production for them as a result in a job berries. Observe this. A lot on Twitter in terms of Sylmar views in how little the of death of the linebackers playing coverage in that allows the Bill the field behind them to be so vacant and they tip in typically in the past. They've had their safeties played decently back because they just don't have the range as a result the middle of fields vacant wide open. And so the Pentagon of the middle uncontested and then on someplace they do dropping linebackers bag than just the short intermediate mill the fields wide open for any Bax Heddon. So I think that's something awesomeness failed to evolve in the current the current landscape of the defense in. But we also can't forget that. They don't have talented linebackers really without the dignity on the field. If the vigils your best linebacker that physician group in self is not very strong in the first place. So Aurelius lack of severe lack of personnel from that group in just a defense. He don't if linebacker is your least talented group is not the end of the world. But. Just for the fact of how little town there is there. It's such a strong issue. A guy like Zimmer was able to compensate without star players there because he was such a talented mind for getting his addresses in his quarterbacks played I level, insulin that Toronto had just hasn't been able to do with you know, the guys that if need to step up. So I definitely agree with you with the base being I play as president. He has a vacuum. Nope. If they're rely on him to consistently make the right reason calls in coverages there's gonna be mistakes. We've definitely seen. No jackson. Patrick, you know. Leave wide open guys zones because they thought they were passing off to someone else. Using double news happened. We've seen a lot of miscommunication. Specifically from that. Buck nears game were big place happened. That's kinda why they lit up that lead. So yet definitely a strong sense of a lack of communication from the back in there. But even with that said, you know, we have to admire the season. The Bates has had an may be put more blame on Austin for really put in that load on bass not maybe on Williams to make those calls to make those adjustments in coverage at as we've seen the do. So I do think it's a little bit of both. But we can't all put it on Austin. When we when we look at what the personnel. He's been dealing with with with injuries in such. Yeah. And you know. Relics of YouTube chat says it's tackling exclamation point. Yes. But that's just part of the problem. Getting off the field on third down letting up third long situation. Second along situations. That's a problem. And hey, you know, it's easy to bash Austin. Yes, he is to blame. But there have been times. How many how many times has I mentioned earlier about the trio of Patrick dinar or Jackson having interception. How many times have we seen Jackson incur Patrick Fisher? Get their hands off a balls. That should have been intercepted in. We're not in those changed the landscape of those games in which I mean, I think there was three or four games in a row worker. Patrick had a should be interception. Did not Jackson of at least two that that happened this year. I mean, you get your hands on half of those. That's a big deal. And then like you said the injuries pile up vigil Denard. Lawson now. Perfect being out lineup for various reasons. I mean that that doesn't help anything. In the past defense is dead last. Maybe the remedy, you know, you talked about Darius fills. Maybe the remedy now is going more nickel and dime. Kind of base defense. Get more defensive backs out there. Yeah. There may be some mismatch is in terms of tackling on that front, especially if it's against a big tight end or something, but you know, may limit some of these big plays in get more of those guys out there. I don't know. But again, we've talked about this on the show basically since the Bengals started this year. And that's the the way they're winning and the concern of sustainability. For this team to get to the postseason through the postseason with a basically defenses ranked near or at the bottom and a lot of major categories. He just very hard to do that, especially when. Yes, antidotes flying very, well, potentially. So some of the best football it is career. But when you don't have Rodgers of breeze of Brady that you could say, okay, while the defense is faltering, but we've got a guy that put up thirty five forty points game. No problem. I don't know. I don't know. And like I said earlier John the offense has also played a part into this issue where because the Bengals for the first two quarters come out a lot of times real hot in they disappear in that third quarter early parts of the fourth quarter three outs. And just getting the defense back out there getting the defense back out there when they need a rest, and it's not, you know, it's not it's not helping things either. So there's a couple of things at play there. This is the orange black insider bangles podcast. Thank you for joining us live in Vegas for downloading the program. He can get it on YouTube on I tunes. Get it on art nineteen Google play Stitcher answered si joke dot com. 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The Kist & Solak Show #91: NFL Draft Big Board Fight!

Bleeding Green Nation

42:51 min | 1 year ago

The Kist & Solak Show #91: NFL Draft Big Board Fight!

"Kissed. Listen again Benjamin. So lang. It's the kissed in Solex show, presented as being nation and bleeding cremation. You are flying high on the kissed and so lacks show this episode ninety one brought to you by the fine, folks, SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kiss fellow. I worked at bleeding greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game. Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin so lack the traff network dot com. Pleaded greenish dot com. Follow him on Twitter at Benjamin. Select that's as L A K, Ben. Hey, brother, Michael, everyday is good. It'd be a lot here in the wonderful month of April preparing for the NFL draft. We've we've officially by the way reached it's less than ten days leftward super board. So we're all just going to say things out loud. There just aren't real like we've just reached the era of takes. Yeah. You know in the single digits for the draft where it's like what if I just put these words in this order and see what happens when they got into the internet, so visually. I've definitely hit the wall in this class, which will I'm really excited to talk all about. For this whole podcast. Yeah. We've done mock draft we'd done prospect rankings. We've done official visits used yelled about them. We've gotten to our final episode as far as what like the topics range of topics that we can do specialty shows or annual big board fight, which is always my favorite. So he did say this for a good time. If you're getting drafty. This is still a good show to listen to because I enjoy this myself, and I'm done with this draft season to be honest with you the draft needs to be here will be rejuvenated after that. We'll have nice hot takes for you all that stuff. But we're still gonna have you covered leading up to the draft. It's all going to be very interesting. We promise you hear a bleeding green nation. Ben, do you have anything before we get into the big board fight? Should we talk about? I say do I have anything about the big finals? Like boy, do I. But you didn't you wanna know about other things I have nothing we could save game of thrones to the NFL. If you've got something right now. Let's go. I haven't I haven't watched the first you scally wag let let me tell you about paying for HBO go on my own for seven episodes ear I about and streets. So and this like, I'm very very sad. I have this take I don't like the fact that I had this take because the people who have this take annoy me because the very vocal within a very like flip it, and and and discursive with that don't like that. Are you talking about the other worlds game of thrones? Now, I watched him thrones. And I have joined game of thrones. But I really felt last season was quite poor. It wasn't even like this season. Previous was even that strong to begin with. But I felt last season the first season, obviously without the books to guide the story was quite poor. And I do not have significantly high expectations for this coming season. I very much want to know how game of thrones ends. But I don't feel like I felt, you know, at like the height of this show like at the end of breaking bad or like in the middle of Dexter, not the end of accident investor gone awful. But like some favorite shows where like I couldn't wait to limit was happening next. I no longer feel that way by game of thrones. And that's like, I'm still gonna watch it. Trust me. If there's anybody who can watch TV shows, he's not actually interested in. It's me. It's a skill. I've leaned over the years. I I wasn't gonna put the efforts like make sure I had away watch it. You know, I'll see it when it becomes on demand through my expense. And then I'll enjoy it. So I have seen it only thing I've seen is this the pictures of Brian stark people keep sending. It's been pretty amazing videos. I put together have been all some I very much. So enjoyed doing that. We haven't seen that you need to check on timeline. My family loves those by the way, my sister found those and she was a big fan to fall. Awesome. Glad I can make the celek family happy this time of year. A so let's get to the big board. Fight bent. You jump at the chance to say something before I steered, you off course, go for it. Yeah. Where where where do you get off by remerci corner? Three. This is man below just lane is heresy. He look I am very high on just a lane. And I think you've known that for wrong on Justin lane in my twenty fifth overall prospect cornerback to behind greedy Williams who is twenty four. And I'm Byron Murphy comes in at thirty two. So he's top thirty two player for me. Not hating on him. I think he's going to struggle on the outside of this where you're gonna put you play on the outside room slot. I'll campaign on the outside. I I'm putting those boss Gaels wherever the heck the ball goes the most I. I agree with you by immersed. If you're gonna go up and deploy him in the contact window. I think press coverage wise he has good fluidity technique. He simply is in the prototypical size you'd like to see for press corner. It is worth noting ten fifteen years ago. His size would have been just fine for the prototype. Oppress corner would have been just like average we've really seen an explosion big corners. I think like you work with Murphy. He could be a fine press corner. But there's no reason to play in that way when you so affective off coverage if that's off man catch man or off cover three which is what he played predominantly at Washington. Why Murphy's might corner? One side fourteen overall Justin lane is my corner. Seven at sixty one overall on Savion Smith my seeing that correctly. Yeah. The interesting thing about saving on Smith is that he's better the Justice curious really weird right savings a guy where like he's scares me. I've ac- like five star transfer LSU Alabama does have a ton of playing time under his belt, pools wise, and the limited film is already. Good. I just worry that his lack of experience will make it really hard to start him in your one. And obviously when you're ranking fifty overall you're just being around to round three selection. I have a late to grade on them use that player being in a potential starring role in your one. So stave yawns got a bit of an asterisk a red flag that we've talked on previous podcasts for playing experience for me. Justin lane wide receiver convert ball skills out the wazoo, really comfortable down the field physicality. I love it. Dude has no idea what he's doing in my opinion from a footwork perspective in the first five yards and look, right? If he can figure that out because again wide receiver convert and this is kind of what I'm baking into my grade some players who gamble on some players. You see what they can do right now. And you understand where they lack and what they can fix that. They can clean the little bit. How good they can be with the ball skills that he has with the press covers has I think he has a very good understanding of press coverage in very often squeezes the red line. And is very good. At that. The problem comes is when. He's off and he asked to cover someone like Terri MacLaurin stacked him when they played Ohio State. But when he has to go in breaking out, breaking that's where the footwork makes him pay in bats where he struggles right now. So that's something that I'm projecting that won't hurt him as much as he gets a custom you still a project. He's not like a one year guy. Plug him stardom sixteen games. Let's go. He might take a little bit more time. He might have some struggles. But I really really really like his ceiling. I think what it comes down to like. And I always use Douglas as an example of this because it's very clear when you watch Douglas long leg corners are going to have problems in transition, and when you can find corners who have were high cuddle have long legs who can open up their stride run. Who are good in transition? I e greedy Williams develop those players to me at ranked very highly even with grease problems because that physical blend is on common lane is is slow in his transitions agree with you, press wise. He's -ffective I wouldn't. I'd say his technique is great. I think he's balanced. I think he's strong, but you can catch them crossing over on false stepping Allott. And I think that when you go and you put on tape life agai against new Harry early using his Zona state. You can see that when he crossed steps. And when he falls steps in Harry's able to get an angle on him hairy does work on lane. He is he matches his physicality and lane doesn't have the technique to recovery which agreement like why she recovered excusable. Totally understandable justifiable to have more by Murphy. Not allies. I really liked the red zone reps where he's nice and patient with his feet. That's where a lot of guys panic and backup in givens. Give up space lanes. Not. So I did like that about his tape especially in the red zone with his back up against the wall. Let's go to the top of the board here Cornell Williams, Nick, oh, so we both have that. We both have an Oliver in our top five. Here's an interesting one. We are both team. Brian burns from Florida state. He is my number three. I liked the good players. They're mike. I like elite athletes that tests like elite athletes that can get after the quarterback at my exposition, and he's super super young. So I'm not so right about him being somewhat light. I think he can definitely add a little bit of weight, but man are his Pasha skills in Tyson. He can turn a corner. He could do everything you want your pass rusher to do and my wrong or my right. Imagine in this economy being worried about an edge rusher vein like five pounds left knee while I mean, I can I can people talk about Leonard Floyd, Vic Beasley, I get it. Under size rushers having narrower I should say a lower floor. They haven't higher boom bust potential. I get that. But when I see takes like, I wish primers bed with his hands. I want ask like what player are you watching? What are we talking about? I think the reason that that comes to pass is because when burns loses his hands and when burns went off tackles get into burns chest plate. Absolutely. It's easier to move him that it is to move. Josh Allen in Cleveland Ferral. He weighs like ten to fifteen pounds less fifteen to twenty. I don't know exactly what the plates were. So yes. One hundred percent. But and this is this is the number one thing. Like all scouting what you need to know. Always remember the other players are allowed to make good place. It's the most important thing to remember. So yes burns does not win with this hands on every pass. Rush attempts. Not unlike JJ watt, you know, von Miller and Aaron Donald don't with their hands every passage because no human does the other players are allowed to make good place. When burns activates his hands, which he does with regularity. And when he was with them, which he does with regularity. He is unbelievably affected. In turning a successful, rush move and a half men relationship into pressure. When burns gets you. He wants you. He's going to get to quarterback depth. You're not gonna push him beyond death. You're not gonna be able to wash him away. His ability to corner hand usage up the arc turn pressures into Saks is incredibly valuable, and it makes me very very fun watching very fun player. One player. I wanted to ask you about because you seem low autumn. I know I'm low on them. It's respon Gerry from Michigan. And look man I wanted so badly. I actually was going to send you a corrected version because I forgot to put one of inch in my rankings here when of inch actually came in at forty four which is where you have Gary I have Gary at twenty nine which compared to the national media, and how teams view this guy is a possible top ten pick. I worry so much about the fact that guy that this was disguise at Michigan and did not show any bit of improvement. He was another one of the guys I did like a summer scouting series on. To watch the top guys and see where they were at. I had a second round grade on then he looked like the same player to me the following year. I didn't see very much improvement for him if at all and the lack of production a series that concerning and I don't understand the arguments coming from the Michigan crowd forum say overview had, you know, you had to do certain things to free up chase one of its shares one of its split on the other side and play him better and play and more technically. I just not there with Sean, Gary. What about you? I mean top ten picks dominated the competition period. Top ten picks dominate in a way that Sean Gary did not dominate at the collegiate level. That's not good scouting. But really like sometimes it's that simple. If I'm gonna take you ten especially in a class that has as many defensive linemen edge rushers whatever, you know, position on talk about this class of boy, if you top ten you better have some dominant tape us don't see from Gary you don't see like a takeover game. Like, where's the tapers? The signature game from him. Like, we talk about jury Tillery when he when he beat up on Stanford like that's like his ceiling or whatever. You want to call it where where's that game from Gary? I don't I don't see it. Now, it takes like you could teach them monkey how to figure out why Sean Garrett was in one overall recruit run. He takes a corner two hundred eighty pounds Jesus. Mary joseph. That's not regular, right. Like does this not a usual thing? What does that look like the NFL level for me where I have Sean Gary on my rankings, Gary ends up as an edge. And and I agree -ted his traits as an edgy integrated them into different alignment, he was slightly higher as an edge to the point. Where really who frigging cares? Like EFI was injured even slimy big spots lower. He's gonna move around. Anyway. So this is right as an edge. So he's an edge than he's he's he's a five technique, right? He's a true. Like, right. You know, like five techniques right off off the outside shoulder of tackle. If he's a fourth technically, he's right on the tackle head up. And that's a bit of a dying breed like Gerry heading out to the seven technique wide tied at heading out to nine techniques. Stand up like it's just not. Is not a good the point of from Susan B, five tech and inside. So it's edge intuitive line. It's hard. What you want for Gary is the ability to get him in one on one situations, especially with slower footed players because we're Gary is gonna win right now. You're one is with his ability to women the first step and then to bend a corner player of Gary's profile, though, six three to eighty if he isn't as rusher, which I think he is others. Don't I totally get that his game is gonna have to be predicated off off of power rush bull rush that he currently does not have. And so you do need to pick a role for him. Keep him there with stability for most years because if he's going to be an edge he needs to learn how to power rush rush. And he's going to be intrigued alignment, he's learning. A new position is now he played a Michigan. So we've got too much work to do either way. He ends up being played for me to say like. Oh, yeah. Around one like sure because I'm still gonna make a strong year. One impact your to your three if we get this guy. Right. We're cooking. The bob. Your goal. We're great. But in year one the impact is low. And so to me, that's that's a round to round three player. A really really one of the grade win over I love when vich love him. When one of which was close for me. And thing is when tested a lot better thought, it was going to what is your is your seventy nine TEK stand up guys got some good versatility to him his modest, and that's fine edge to totally cool win vich those will to win with his hands as well. The soften the quarter to make that bending easier for him because he is limited. Right. Good inside counters as well, which when you're not a great outside track guy. Right. I wanna ask you month. Sweat twenty three overall for you enter five now, low Cleland Ferral justify yourself both of us. I was going to ask you where he came in. So high for you because I remember we talked maybe right before the combine or right after the combine we were both a little bit low on him. He moved up for me too. I was lower on him. I think he does a good job creating space for himself and really. Dictating the terms to the offensive lineman as far as where he wants to go. I think he does a fantastic job with his length like that the athleticism that he showed at the combine. I don't know if that translates fully to tape for me, close, maybe. But at the degree that the bend that he's supposed to have from his numbers is not the Ben that I saw and I didn't see him run the arc like that consistently. I think is going to be a good player. I using be productive player. But like the top ten talk. I don't know, man. I don't think I see the pure pass rushing toolbox for him right now to be able to do that to be able to produce at that level that you're going to have to top ten pick. I mean, we have a Lee way just that lettuce in the three drills that matter the most to me. That's that's what I'm saying though. Right. That says right. Why why he bumped down for Mesa leeway, just Atlanticism in the three drills amount of the most for me for as well as the best score in the history of the universe in wingspan, which also is something that I calculated migrate for edges. So that number one bumped him up tremendously number two is when when when young man decides to come out run a four four one to sixty when you decide to go and he decides to run a seven flap three Cohn at six and five three quarters. How about wash little bit more tape? Because what the heck man. What are we doing right now? Right. Nobody saw this coming from sweat. Let me let me ask you this. Because I remember you being asked this question on one of the draft network toward streams who is the better pass rusher right now Christian Miller from Alabama monta sweat Nath month. That's why I'm pretty sure I say criminal at the time you did. And the reason I said. At the time is because and I still have Miller very high rankings Christian Miller. I watched his sack is Oklahoma eighty five times, maybe even a hundred it's my favorite like play my favorite rep for evaluating. Would it beats Bobby Evans? Yeah. Type of play three for Oklahoma. When you see edge rusher put his foot in the ground and just stop like in a way. Like, I the angle motorcycle taken tight turn, right? Like the knee is barely scraping against the floor. As just the physics confound to the point where I'll just I play my head on going to sleep. I just lay there. My bet. I think Kirsch Miller just trashing Bobby evidence. Tackling calamari from behind amazing. So Miller has as strong of a rush profile as like anybody in this class big issues with him is a low wraps not a strong run-defender an injury problem which knock him down in no way, shape or. Form in my off Miller, but Montas sweat when I return back to sweats film, and I watched his film against Iowa some more, and I watched his film against ole miss his ability to win quickly within the first three steps with sheer length. Yeah. There's nothing else going on right? But size is amazing. He gave Jona Williamson problems man with his life games real promises amid Joan Williams like if we ask Twitter gentleman's about half the size of not as wet but usually on bearish on processed who win exclusive with size because you get to the NFL level, and guess what? Folks, bigger faster, stronger sport problem. Yeah. But for what what sweat brings in terms of just an elite frame just like an on believably shaped human being I struggled to believe that his long arm. His I would say, quote, unquote, explosive first step it's decently explosive, but the the length the depth he gets out from under it. I've. Struggled to see that not translating. So let me sweat is very high floor and that bumped him up to bump them up above Josh Allen Duckie who I'm low on who I think is much lower flow prospect Allen also wins with explosiveness. He also is in the first three steps a lot of it is also his physical ability. But when Allen's back is up against the walls compared to when sweats backs up against the wall with don't win in those first three steps, they don't physical ability sweat has a lot more in his toolbox than Allen does that's fair. And I like the argument about the floor with his line because he does win a lot with that length. So those are all very good points. Ben, let's put a wide receiver because this is this is something I put my rankings out of my wide receiver rankings out on Twitter. Always always a safe play. It's always the Twitter is a wonderland, but we both have decay Metcalf as wide receiver one. Can you explain yourself because ivory must've explain myself thousand times that I'm just about sick of it? Now, the athletic the physical profile of an absolute freak. I'm not a doctor. So I can't tell you about his injuries. I understand the production. He missed time. I get Jake Brown was more productive. I'm betting on decay. Mecca. He's not on my top ten. He's in your top ten. He's your six overall. Sounds about right. I'm pretty sure he's outside on top five. Yeah. Yeah. He is. You're six six. All right that and he is my fourteenth overall. So I'm still a little concerned about him. I get some of the concerns going with them because I think there's there's the three cone thing. Obvious physical limitations going on there. I was not surprised that he struggled with three Kony's always gonna have like an extra step on comeback routes and everything like that. But the chirons a four three three at like seven hundred pounds for a wide receiver way to justed. I think that's an actual thing. Listen, so my all that position rankings going up at the draft Novick, and for Metcalfe's blurb just opened a with less than I'm really, I'm just not going to over think, the very large fast, very strong, man. Like, he's not gonna do it. And it comes back to like we like to talk about. Oh, like folks wear prospect winds. We're talking about like row. Three round four guys. Right. Like, how can they help your team so about Metcalf, right? Where does he win? If you like if you went to a corner any corner league. Hey, so I have a four three two hundred twenty eight pound guy with a giant wingspan? Would you like to cover him then cornerback? No, please. I would like to cover somebody else you away. Wait. I didn't tell you all of it. It turns out he has a really bad. Short shuttle corn will be like. Yeah. I still wanna cover him. Give some other dude. Right. You go to coach. Right. You go to any offense coach. But hey, I have a four three two hundred twenty pound guy. You wanna throw on the ball? Which the heck? Yeah. Brother. They both away. Scott bad free cone. No goodbye. I don't care four hundred twenty right. So we have a player who is utterly unquestionably dominant in vertical third. We talked with the vertical third go deep comeback. Karl like swing pass. You wanna make that also in the third. It's all your basic stuff from outside the Nyman near taking outside releases which are getting. Yeah, you can also throw in a little. Banging skinny post in there. If you like, you know, Metcalf may be able to take harsh curves easily, but like stepping into a bang as a very soft angle difficult us, Ben that puppy inside cooking grease at that's a good comment in that area. Right. And it's a good distinction to make because I think AJ Brown struggles to with with hard angle cuts because there are different types of cuts for these wide receivers decay Metcalf is going to struggle with some of the harder angle. Cuts a deep Brown with two but AJ Brown. Also is good at the the vertical stuff the posts where you don't have to hit a hard angle to skinnier angle Metcalf can thrive in that area. He can run more than he was asked to run out of that. Ole miss twenty six play playbook, which is also very Horton context. Concerning him was he asked to do. Right. So when we talk about receivers in cuts very frequently. We talk about plant break drive, right. Which is the three the framework for the three steps to get in and out of your brakes. So you plant with your first foot in that kills your momentum. You break with your second foot. So you put yourself. And such that the mid line of your foot the foot like a line that would cut in half your toes from your he'll that Midland is now point to where you wanna go. That's your break. And then you drive, which is third step your toes into the ground and you explode out supplant Blake drive. You don't have to plant break drives run a post, you don't right, especially if you got off coverage got to do it that trail coverage oppress. The maybe they give a little more shimmy. But if you can run sub for for I don't care what you are. You do not have to plant break drive into a post. Right. And so again that conception of angles and the angles wide receiver play. Yes, it's very very important. The moral of the story on not gonna question the big large strong fast Guidry's in my next question. Now, why you questioning keen Butler the big large strong fast guy because he's not as fast. He's not his as freakish as decays four four flannel to fifteen to fifteen his lighter. He's not as fast way to just. No, let's not he's not, and it doesn't show up as much on Phil for me as it does with with decay. Also struggle with the fact that he. Yeah. I mean, people talk did he run a three come that? He do any of that four four eight at two twenty seven a four point one five seconds slower at the same weight point one five slower. Yeah, I'm saying he's not as fast. He's not as freakish. That's not. That's not. It's still scary. Don't get me wrong. That's the best thing. He's got going for him. I get you there. But what we say. No, you're saying about his film, which is probably wrong. Big board flight to shoot. I was saying was I trust even did he did he run us become I know. Yeah. Smart vela. Yeah. Smarter decay when it comes to that because decay ran at rand terribly. Now, let's everyone wants to talk about Butler said I'm not gonna try that mess and with good reason because on film is not making those cuts. I mean, he's limit the vertical that we talked about. It's just not nearly as impressive as decay and as far as getting separation. I think we talked about this when we talked about the overrated under prospects when he gets to the top of his route. What is the only way in which he can separate that Kelvin Harmon separates himself from Butler in that area. The SME the Butler separates diva's routes. Yeah. By Shelvin the corner, like really really hard really excessive. On it's too much. And I understand it's hard to like knock guys getting open when they don't get flagged, and they can get away with it. That's fine. But when that's literally the only thing you can do in cornerback skit stronger and whatnot. And I thought he'd dealt with contact pretty poorly throughout the routes them to we talk about a lot with Nick you'll Harry from state, but I thought Butler when you get against Muller corners that got Hansie with them. Just did. No, he was doing. I don't think he knows what he's doing like in nearly any phase of the game. You have them high you eighteenth overall where my at with? 'cause I think I was in the fortieth having a forty. Yeah. So still like him, but men got to figure out how he's going to use all that physicality. And that also get open Butler has has an advantage that not a lot of prospects get which I feel bad about. But it's just you know, the time constraints of the job I saw Butler early in the season. It was the Oklahoma game. I believe is week three dominant. Give Homa which dominant performance say Oklahoma secondary. Okay. We'll take it with a grain of salt Dahmer doesn't. Yeah. As such. I wanted to watch more of his film because I had seen business pieces of him in in twenty seventeen Allen Lazard on the team Almaz art was heavily, you know, like targeted like he got a ton more at work than than bothered it. And also he had the outside experts Eva role with all those phase. In those deep goes the Butler got baller was playing out of the slot. In Butler's, twenty seventeen slot tape is very very interesting because he has really really nice routes from inside on the slot. He's not being tunnel. Also, see him. Get more shelling intermediate targets his Yacob -bility really really nice, which on twenty eighteen a lot of it was him like, you know, judo kicking some five eleven one eighty kids. So, you know, the grain of salt again, but a like really good tackle breaking ability willing to bring contact lower his shoulders are really like that in a larger wide receiver. And so Butler has advantage of having more twenty seventeen graded games than like say Calvin Harman. I have no twenty seventeen. Graded for Calvin harm. I didn't do any work on him before the season. And so I can see two different deployments of bother can see a big slot. Deployment Lazard was there in twenty seventeen. I can see an extra deployment twenty eighteen. I absolutely agree that he's got problems getting off press. It's the biggest issue in his game right now. Only encountered press for one year number one. And number two not surprise that the six six to twenty dude did not try very hard to separate himself from the five eleven one eight to do. And that's just like that's the curse of being physically, gifted, right? That's why deco much could decay. Technically knows what he's doing. Even though he could probably just people's elbow corners in the contact window then run down the field Free Willy. So I it. It's the twenty seventeen film that really makes me feel like Butler has a great profiles a route runner as better profiles, a separator than a lot of stuff on twenty teen film also worth noting bothers played with five quarterbacks over the last two years. I'm not surprised that his route tree is basic. He has. No sense of timing with anybody except maybe a little bit that brought Purdy kid who's good for pretty went down. You know what? I mean, they had for like six games this year. Something like that. Yeah. The went down or like parties away, this freshman is you do the way. He he had no chemistry. Lot of his his guys. So it's just jump balls this. That's all you. You have a really told dude. He's really corner. Your quarterback has no idea. What he's doing your rotating? In walkathons MAC angle. You're not gonna ask Butler to run multiple timing routes. It just doesn't make sense seven thirty three is where you really depart from the consensus foreign where they had ready have them. I didn't even see what you have what both those linebackers Devon Bush and Devon white eighteen twenty eighteen and twenty seven Bush's might linebacker one. So I'm with you there. I'm Laurent Devon white to your much lower than I am a lot of it comes with the post nap stuff with me are like Bush more in coverage. I agree on every council. Farce yet. My language also the over aggression that Devon white has. As tackle. Like, the aggression is nice. He misses too much because of it. He over pursues too much because of it. He's hair on fire guy. He is bigger Kwan Zander. Right. This one of my favorite calms the entire process. He's Kwan Zander ten pounds, which like quad just got fifteen mill. Let's not ignore that right now. A lot of people thought those too much but Zander one is starting job in Tampa. Got himself a solid. We saw a great second contract. Had very good stretches apply. But when I see each seeking missile spends way too much time poking is heading gas where he doesn't belong does not steady himself into contact and is at times to passive taking on gorge who are climbing the second level to me Kwon Zander. Like, I think there's so many similarities, which is very funny. The Tampa is gonna take him at five blunt. He's bigger Kwan. And if you think bigger Kwan is worth first round grade, live your life. Yeah. I do not now Devon Bush's a guy that on higher on than than you are. I think he takes more responsible angle. To the ball is a more responsible tackler. He mentioned that he was better in coverage. Where do you have him on your board your your lower on him than I am? But I think you're around closer to consensus thirty it's early to dental is also early to and in bushes. Thirty if I'm aboard that makes sense. Yeah. I mean look for the eagles. They have a linebacker need quote on quote, they aren't bringing linebackers in on official visits. If Devon Bush does not fall twenty five we aren't talking about linebackers for a very long time. But we get back. We're gonna talk about a few more prospects that we disagree on here. On the big board fight here. I'm bleeding greenish into kissed and select show. Hey, everybody. How you doing? Well, that's good. My name is Bill Matt's. I am the director of fun and games for broad street hockey radio podcasts. And I am Kelly the deputy managing editor of broad street hockey dot com. I'm step driver. The NHL editor manager Espy nation. And I am Charlie O'Connor lead. Flyers writer for the Atlantic dot com. And together we make up. S H radio. One of the shows that you get at the SP nation podcast family. We have a lot coming to you this year. And we want you to listen to or show. It is just an all flyers all the time show so much content. I really hope you listen to it. It is a great piece of the speed Asian podcast family along with all your other favorite sports. We all love hockey, specifically the fires. Let's go the flyers the hockey team flyers and we are back on the kissed end. So lectu, Ben we've got a few guys that we've talked about another shows where we have pretty much the same exact ranking on him. I think it was garner Johnson. There was another one. But the one guy that were really close on that not a lot of people are real high on is our boy JJ are Sega Whiteside. I have thirty six overall you have them at thirty seventh. We just missed it by one Ben. And here's the important thing. You have him above Neil Kinnock, you'll Harry, and that's what matters correct now. Of course, you have to kill Harry thirty and I am sixty seven. We're gonna have fun. I'm very like. That's that's I wanna say I'm proud of that take. It's like, I'm proud that. You're better than other person. That's kinda weird. But I was j j over the keel in preseason ahead the humans were not a fan of this. And I think it's a take a lot more common. Now, people watch Marceca white says, I'm really happy about that. You told me about are signified side early on in the season. And I kind of watched his progress about the season the the way he was able to stack and track dudes and get open in uses body to create catching windows and a fifty fifty ball maven that he is is just impressive overall and any comes out, and I can confirm that at the state for pro day at least once cout had him at four three eight at least another scout had him at four three nine Lear expecting four sixes Ben what happened on so mad because I thought he was gonna run in like before five that you ran four five flat. Let's like the official. And I was walked off that by a bevy of people who did not believe he was gonna run that fast. But this is what's important. This is what matters with the forty yard. Dash track. Background Whiteside was a two hundred meter state guy in South Carolina, where he grew up for the role in the state. It was that he was like being by the Clemson running back. You know, what I mean, he knows how to get up out of the blocks in. If you watch either survey of his raps, you can see why stance toes shoulders way over his toes. Low hips, very clear sprinter background and that ended of itself shaves. That's the star Vesey celebration just knowing how to start that up shaves so much time. That's the big lie. That's the big lie. And I'm totally fine. With that with the important part is he's not a four seven guy as long as he hit like a certain speed for me. Like that was a big box. Check. I don't get. It could have been four three five could have been four four five. It could have been four five five either way. I like the guy I like the player. I like his place speed on film and fifty fifty ball. I don't know if there's another better guy out. I mean as far as fifty fifty ball. And I know you can't run, you know, you can't leave your life on fifty fifty balls. That's just not possible, then you'd be like Kim Butler or something like that. But our segue side and Kelvin Harmon who I have ranked highly or like two of my favorite go up and get it type guys love the tests like that any other guys that you're seeing on my list that you take umbrage with I'm rich. Yeah. Now, the last word CEO Ed side, just quickly four or five four six two four five seven you still have to figure out and have a good plan for how to use him in imaging twenties. Obviously inside the twenty. There's a very clear profile for how to use. It's all the time. However you want with reckless abandon. But yeah, you have to have you kind of have to have that plan for what you want to deal with him in in between the twenties, which I think is very clear wolf for him as as again like a vertical third guy back. A guy. He's fantastic on slants success rate is out of this world. And it's because he's very large and is hard to deal with him. And again, we talk about track background basketball background is very sweet feet. The line of scrimmage. He has great release player with a wonderful understanding leverage. Good good. Good player. It's like when any said that Kelvin Benjamin was very good at slants, and that was a lie, but you watch Jay or Sega Whiteside. And like you said footwork the box out ability. He has the understanding of space and how he can create a throwing lane for his quarterback is is very very good guy. You asked me at the break about my quarterback rankings because I do my board separate I don't think there's much of a point for me personally as far as how I look at things if I have a first round grade on a Keiler Murray than on taking him pretty dog on high on the draft. So doesn't matter if I put him at twenty or for put at ten you have on your board. You have him at twenty five is he your QB one. Oh, he's my QB. Only the quarterback. There is none other. You just described all of the cubes go show draft additions in threat and nothing like I haven't I haven't talked with Markelle this this season. I should I should check in on the shows and also channel. But with Mark Haskins is in early round three grade for me, seventy five in my rankings will Greer comes in a little bit later. He's quarterback three at ninety two over all those my only three grades in the first three rounds, which is bad. None of them around one. Which is worse. The thing is like, yeah. There's there's basically two in my opinion, those two separate ways you quote, unquote, grade quarterbacks one is just in your regular scale with all the other players just to get a feel for where they are in the class. Like, you know, they're also players you put him on a grading scale. You include athleticism you production. It's all well and dandy. And the second way is you ask yourself what I trade up in the first round to get him or not is just binary this fit in a bucket or night, and there's one and it's kind of easy. Player. I would go and get if I need a quarterback. I would not be going getting Haskins lock Jones Greer. None of them. You know, if I'm the residents of fifteen and I need a quarterback. They all do what the cardinals last year, this waited for a guide a phone to their range, snag them. You know, whoever was going to be there was there. But he's not gonna make a whole effort out of trying to be patching. Most will pick together for anybody. Cuyler Keiler is thrilling a who in a hollered watch doesn't really stupid Prickett stuff. But from a talent standpoint, a player has used like this sense, Mahomes ceiling his Astra monocle Hobie goes to Aaron Jona for his sake. Hope Josh gets out of there for Rosen sake. Hope the cardinals implode because there's the bad franchise. But I hope that as well because I really like to see him be good leave a ton of fun. If he's good football will be the same thing about Mahomes. I felt better about Mahomes. I still like Murray. He's my only round one grade for a quarterback taken anybody in round one is calorie for me. Ben. I think that's gonna do it for the big bore fight. Man. Didn't get too heated. We're still friends. Everything is good. You're squinting your eyes. Don't catch anything. You just close the board. You're fine. Everything's fine fronts, and I think it's very odd. How you have certified decent player Charles Amena who your top fifty. But it's fine. Now, I have details. I wanna see I got a c remember where I have Elton Jenkins top thirty. Did. He learn to my top thirty. Oh, he sure did. Yeah. He's a dog. Good football player. I like McCoy to McCoy's in my top fifty as well. Yeah. Mccoy coin lower than Jenkins is adequate Williams who he thinks is better accord Jenkins because one of them played him. The other one got beat up by him probably McCoy. He's still got McCoy a couple of times it's hard to base people off of facing Kuhnen Williams in that have been your evaluation. 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The Kist & Solak Show #112: Eagles-Ravens Preseason Recap

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The Kist & Solak Show #112: Eagles-Ravens Preseason Recap

"Hi this is jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. Season is my co host. Maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were. Let's be confident only on the e._s._p._n. Podcast network michael kissed listening again benjamin assignments so land. It's the kissed and solex show presented by s._p. Nation and bleeding green nation oh you are flying high on the list and solex showed this episode. One twelve brought to you by the fine folks at s._p. Nation i am bleeding greet nation. I'm your host michael kissed. You can follow me on twitter at michael kissed n._f._l. K. i s. t. as always joined by the dog on co host in the game mr nine year streak without a bad day he he is benjamin sollac follow him on twitter at benjamin so lack that's s._o._l. You really don't want to say hello there. Hello i was i was just buying john slack and so so i was a little late but i was gonna come with it. Ben how you doing brother lesson. They've finally something's happening in the preseason for like something interesting is happening which stopped the clock diamonds forty five seconds as promised. I tweeted out before the game this <hes> this evening sturgeon i recorded according to post game podcast not actually the bug podcast. You won't even let me lead you to it. Nope my by shining moment iran leandra immune whatever goodness so ben and tweeted quote mccown gonna unlock preseason jae jao with accurate slash catchable jump balls and i must oh spend exactly nine minutes and forty five seconds on the post game pod talking about it unquote so ben. I'm gonna let you go him on this. I just wanna say that. Release was so pretty that out was so pretty but i don't wanna still your shine matt even though i had him higher on my board shot okay von you were the that sets now. You were the one that told me about him originally. Let me tell this quick story because we've told this before but i want to put it out there again when i asked you last summer. Who should i watch. It was the first prospect that i was gonna watch of my drowsy and i went specifically to you you told me j._j. Segue whiteside and i was in love immediately ben and go forth a good football players mike. Is you like them. The football place goes so i think it's on you know he's had a couple of targets. <hes> <hes> from cody kessler a couple targets clayton thorson over the course of the preseason thus far sorenson and kessler while honestly both look freddie ear throwing the football that mccown does count got an absolute shot put his ribe young age of forty bad news out. There shorter can't get up much hiring anymore any more. I mean that alpha is low brother while we might look prettier. They don't throw with as much velocity and so they're they're. They're struggling to hit our whites. Have you watched the first two games on some some of his downfield route concepts which account even throw a huge number of down to concepts as of this conversation as we were saying a little bit earlier we currently in the lightning delay. Hi and we are talking about. You know what we've seen far. We'll see what happens with the rest of the game. If there's something that happens at the end of the fourth quarter a we'll go hand. We'll talk about that but if you're looking at the eagles those ravens game right now j._r. Sega whiteside from receiving perspective. He's seen seventeen. Excuse me seen nine targets eight receptions one hundred four yards and a touchdown down. It hasn't even been that much deep stuff but mccown able to really fire it in there for our ceo whiteside and accordingly. I got into a better rhythm. He's made some good catches across the middle of the field strong strong hands catches across the board the typical stuff you see from him in the first level fourth down conversion work to the second level and let's talk about that for conversion plagues. He gets lost a little bit <hes> in in in light of the touchdown catch. That's where our sega whiteside. You knew he had translatable trades to the n._f._l. Because when he's coming off line it's not you know he's not lightning-quick. He's not lining fluid and so he doesn't you know clear hands immediately and he's in space news releasing these manipulating guys and he's different and he's dodging. He's not shifty right or go outside. It's a bit of a blunt force instrument and so that corner initially gets hands on her website are single whiteside is strong enough and explosive enough to get upfield through contact vertical stack and then separate and and this is why you oh you expected mccown who's been in the league for now sixteen years eighteen years. Whatever it's been you expected mccown to immediately gravitate russell white said because whiteside while it's not you know <hes> you know <hes> in this round after on this quiz step in this release movement and and multi break routes and now all of a sudden explosiveness onus. He's such a friend of a quarterback he record backs love receivership whiteside. They are no nonsense they get into their breaks. They win with leverage they separate and they make ridiculous. Catches outside of their frame angle whiteside regularly catching balls that are behind him from josh mccown was why you love you love. Hello guys mccown. Accuracy is not greater forty first time in the system. Don't have a good feel of you know where our cigarettes is going to be. What the exact you know a row landmarks going to be the time he's going to be. It's okay give them all kind of near the dude that that catch on that little screener both ankles or single by ted's got absolute mets so that fourth-down catch we fight through contact table two separate. It's not a huge amount of separation but it's enough to create a window and then the balls behind my wife's is able to corral get up field. He doesn't have breakaway speed but all of a sudden explosive play on fourth some three then you have those situations like the touchdown touchdown route was a flag row beautifully executed and if you washed are single whiteside casually a couple of games to get a feel for them to talk about him. You would not have known that are single wides. I can do things like that but when you sit down and you really get deep into the film of this kid and even if you watched his highlight reel you also know this available to him but you when you really broke him down. It was not like oh occasionally you can do. This against college stevens backs. No this is a regular occurrence against it's the best players that he faced are cigarettes said at no nonsense immediately takes the corner and puts them where he wants them to be. Josh gattis office. Coordinator michigan says if that corners where you want the b. move him if he wanted to be keeping their and that sort of cigarettes that is very good at it initially saying all right when i'm in this stem i eventually want to get here so i want the corner outside or inside leverage and he gets in there just quick initial first step good inertial jab steps. We talked about often line of scrimmage hand get upfield into the vertical stem. All of a sudden corners is in a trail technique. You give them that rocker. Step a little little fake to the post hit the corner a little poke around like to call in so we'll fake to the post the rocker stap and then come come to the back pylon stack back to the mac pile on our single whiteside always talked about this. He wins the catch point early in the route he wins by by being physical and generating leverage before the balls in the air so he's not worried about getting to where the ball's gonna end up. He's i worried about making sure he's between where he wants to be and the corner so the corner can't recover now when you do that you'll be able to catch his outside to your frame. He ought to be able to explode into the catch point. Make those tough hands catches tractable of your shore. That's exactly what he did on the touchdown. Catch everything you see from our side in this preseason game toughness with the ball in his hands good route running fantastic physicality through the route stem and then tremendous tremendous physicality. All aspects of the game is exactly what it it's a perfect little microcosm of what you draft that if the seven overall fifty seven fifty three twenty seven in the second round. It's exactly what what it is right. It's exactly what it is that you were looking for out of this player and again because mccown is a veteran quarterback. We knew he could get it to him and be successful. Doing so mike i went for about five minutes not got my prime has promised nine minutes and forty five seconds but that was mostly a hypothetical figure illustrate how excited i was for it to happen and i'm so glad that it did because it's easy in the preseason to you say the outlook. Where's where's the second round pick than whereas we're siegel whiteside been. He has been waiting for a quarterback who can get the ball kind of near on time. If you did not believe us then then when we talked about it in may when both men were talking about j._j. Sega whiteside. Do you believe us now to emphasize something that ben were saying there. As far as the release goes to really emphasize that that corner has outside leverage on him jada whiteside widens out to him him to get himself inside and then beat him outside so he beats a corner with outside leverage by getting outside of him. That's not easy. That's not rookie stuff. That's not typical and when you hear ben talk about these different traits that that j._j. Has that you don't always just get from his highlight films which are it just filled with red zone catches and contested catches and things like that when you really break him down you see the nuance in his route running in his releases to where like ben said he's not going to be this big quick separator but all the traits that ben was talking about and all the things that attracted j. jaw to mccown. Does that not sound like l. Sean jeffrey so of course mccown is going to gravitate towards target light j._j. Sega whiteside and i'm just just so happy that we got to see a lot of that. Skill set on display not just the jump ball fifty fifty. Go get it but show some nuance in your route and get the job done in show uh-huh strong hands like he did his. We wanna get like really like legit deep into this row on a preseason week three touchdown catch from the rookie. Wanna get deep into it. I felt like we already had but i mean that's let's go as as isolated receiver on a trip set and he's in a nasty alignment right wisey nasty alignment because he wants to get to the outside flying is talking about a nasty alignment playing on a tight slot into the tackle right. You're pretty much like you're in a position where you could ask you to crack back bob block. Let's put it that way so let's let's clarify that from a naseem your route tree opens up from an outside alignment from quote quote unquote plus black or you're you're far outside. You can't run that corner out. That space is not available to you. They moved him to that alignment because of the nasty alignment and ben is shaking. His hand is the game back on called brother game is called. We are dying now. Thank goodness good night. Okay so right so we're in that tight. Alignment corners obviously got initially out side leverage but there's a safety cap whiteside. They've got you know th the the middle of the. I can't see the whole field. I can't tell you if he split or if he's actually single high but he's shaded to our civil rights attach the only receiver in a three by one set so bright. Let's say if you were to split it. It would look like cover to zone or covered. I know man cover two. Whatever the case is he. He's over to that side j._d. In college very good at recognizing safety saying away from them so yes this is this coverage while he manipulates the corners dictated by safety because corners initially outside leverage our our cigarettes wants to go outside if he's he's afforded he's being given freely and inside release right right corners on the outside. If he takes inside release he's going directly at the safety and accordingly that corner is going to remain outside leverage all the way down the field cigarettes looks to break to the flag row against the back pylon cutting outside the corners already going to be an outside spot are going to need across his face now yep no matter what are single whiteside does that corner is going to try to maintain outside leverage because he has safety out to the inside of the middle of the field and it's a nasty alignment to the cornices. Gonna say listen if you try to go inside <music>. You're running into the safety. I'm sitting outside of you. Because this is where spaces i wanna keep you from getting there so are single whiteside initially widens the stem he initially steps outside and then comes inside that corner effectively resetting where this route stem instead of being up to the safety. He gained two yards of width away from the safety. What does does this mean. It means wall the cors outside leverage in the trail technique following his stem when our civil rights that gives that inside fake. It's significantly more effective because if he were closer to the safety the inside fave wouldn't matter as much because it's the ball were coming out on a quick. I dig saved. He's taking his head off but now you've you've manufactured. Synthetic space is you've. You've told the corner listen. I put you inside and it looks like i'm about to i just pushed you outside and it looks like i'm about to come inside. That makes sense doesn't it. I put you over. There and i'm going to cut back the other way so by pushing outside distort. He makes a threat of the inside fake more real thus forcing the corner the play thus giving them the space he wants on the outside and it's all the cato by the fact that he knows the corner is going to play outside leveraged because the safeties in the middle of the field so like this is why like everyone go nine forty five i will but that's that's everything that goes into this route and they said whiteside easy quickest dude no but this is exactly what has called for in this situation. This is his third n._f._l. Game with a quarterback he's ever played with when i greeted or sega whiteside for mental processing and for a wide receiver mental processing seen things priests net knowing where i need to go and then adjusting trusting post nap if i need to agree to six out of seven and when i grade six out of seven seven is very i don't give out seven's okay so that's a very very high grade for mental processing cussing j._j. Ziga whiteside is a very smart player and plug to follow up on this because we've definitely gone overnight forty five now if you go to my timeline and also the bleeding green time line the the b._g._n. Radio timelines. You're gonna see a couple of tweets number. One is the recap show where we have a snippet of ben talking about j._j. Whiteside from back when we drafted him those plug from b._g._n. Jan radio i also when i grade j._j. I wrote that up for bleeding green nation dot com. They just re tweeted that out. You can find that on their feet. If you don't follow me and i don't blame you or you can find it on my timeline or went through every single grade that i had pre-draft four j. air sega whiteside within explainer with some film examples. If you really want to dig into his game like i said if you didn't believe us then do you believe us now and if not continue to do the research and you're gonna find that we have a very good football player on our hands in philadelphia ah ban we haven't even talked that much about josh mccown yet other than his trust and j._j. But i gotta tell you it feels like the number two quarterback spot is definitely like like seventeen for twenty four one ninety two touchdowns now obviously preseason backups all that stuff whatnot but mccown's been around like he's a known quantity and he came in off off the plane and looked like he was in command of this offense and just has the trust in guys to go make plays and with an offense as loaded as the eagles. You don't need a whole lot more than that to be successful to get you through a stretch if you need him. What did you think about mccown tonight overall yeah. Somebody said it was one of the beats and what i'm sorry. I can't remember who if somebody remember who was one of the beat said lesson. Mccown ain't coming out of retirement and e._s._p._n. Job if he doesn't know cuba twos locked up right right. I like it wasn't promised him independent of his play the preseason he wanted them out. His restaurant guaranteed back of spas guaranteed. Hey shame for credit counselor tessler who obviously came out in <unk>. Just tremendously bad a is so slow at reading defenses offensive and it's just this guy pop-gun again like like he's really he's nyc not the worst quarterback that's ever existed he really isn't i still believe that was a good game his buddies so wasn't i mean look quarterbacks around the league and yeah that'll tell you what you need to know all right now. My count i am account is a is a better player. Now i guess that mccown throwing mechanics boy what it used to be on and it was never good to be with <hes> but he's he's. He's clearly just playing playing the game. He's like zanjan this for nineteen years. I don't have to pretend to like you. The right throwing motion anymore like dross right. He just kinda out there. Slinging the with a little bit best placement we got on on on throws for our civil rights of course but also for greg ward great ward one of his better games of the past of of the preseason four forty five or his catches and this is where we're we're better ability to evaluate our our wide receivers because clans orson <unk> once during the football yeah mccowan more than enough to and this is how you always frame it. Carson goes down for four games. Can we go to into in in stay in in where we are in the playoff race like that's what you offer of your backboard right for twenty nineteen and mccown is absolutely that the big thing that i would i would say is that it's you know it's very clear that mccown on does not want to run the ball or get hit and that's very fair that one little scramble right and then he he he got down he slid. It was like everything like that but like there's a he got hit on the i think the alex ellis touchdown and they like zoomed in on them getting like small like what am oh my god. I know i'm here. I mean joe that like you think he knew. When he signed that he was going to score a touchdown like halfway jog off-the-field take his helmet off and dogs you get down there and two point conversion shoot so now it's just he's gonna be a pocket guy. I that's totally okay. They can be all right with that. No worries you were talking about the wide receivers. I want to dial back to that to here for a second with mac hololens back and actually doing athletic things he's on a football field a honestly the door on the wide receiver chatter for good and we kinda thought that was going to happen anyway if they do keep six. It seems like it's a battle between clean agassi and greg were junior he mentioned before. I definitely give edge toward right now. Who grow has been very complimentary of throughout this process and ah he's looked solid in this in this preseason training camp look solid as he continues to trish transition from college quarterback two fulltime wide receiver in the pros including tough catch on third down retook a shot and hung on the third quarter and of course bailing out clayton thorson last week on the thirty eight yard touchdown grab by my opinion is if they keep six. It's gregoire or junior. Do think that keeps keep six and you agree with that as well with the tricky thing what it comes down to his endless goes back to remember when p._f. Said the use of the best receiving group the n._f._l. And it was like wide receivers tight ends <hes> because the eagles are gonna run a lot out of twelve more than the average team then there's a better case to be made than the the average team for keeping like four and five wide receivers instead of six wide receivers n three tight ends which is the more typical construction so it's not i would say like if you if you took all the teams in the league and say who's the least likely to carry five receivers eagles are probably you know bottom to bottom three because of how infrequently they're going to deploy ten personnel not only that the practice squad factor clearing waivers that too right and that's that's. That's my big thing with. I think it's it's it's log alshon lock nellie. They'd locked sean lock our whiteside. I think hollins makes it unquestionably off of special teams value. They love him on special teams on nisa guy who went healthy like you know he was viewed as a potential wide receiver three candidate but also touted very much so for his specialty in prowess win. The eagles drafted out was his deal yeah yeah and so then what it is is now you're sitting here with the sixth spot and the question you have to ask yourself isn't has grey warden enough to win. A roster spot has called dossier <unk> one enough to morocco doc. Id roster spot. It's of these fringe guys and the fringe guys running back in the fringe guys a corner on the fringe guys that defensive tackle. Who am i able to sneak onto the practice squad right because to me agassi is a particular candidate for being poached. I've i'm a bad team with bad receivers and and that body makes on the waiver wire heck yeah brother all put mama fifty-three. I win ballgames anyway. Kelvin benjamin keeps getting work. Somehow is that right and it's like listen like this is this. Is you know it was like a lot of thing last year like you didn't want to expose him to waivers right soppe timmy then like. I don't think i would doc- has earned a spot on the roster. I don't think greg ward for everything by greg ward on the big rig fan. I don't think he's earned an active forty-six spot but the question the paradigm isn't earning it. The paradigm is who do you have to protect from ending on the waiver wire. That's the way to think about. I think the eagles go into the season with five and hopes keyboard inaugu doc- both on the practice squad odd and then subsequently you carry zakar. It's dallas qatar josh perkins and richard rodgers. I don't think roger's needs. I are on but that's the you'd so you'd probably have to carry four tight ends because if you're not putting rajon i are you have to carry three healthy ones and you and you're not gonna cut rogers. You can't pry spot many ways. He's too old so that's how i think it is coming into the season four tight ends five receivers and when we come back on the kissed and select show. We're going to talk about some other things that we saw in this preseason game as ben said the game is officially over it has been called early in the fourth with about eleven minutes to go. The ravens continue their winning streak. They are now at sixteen consecutive wins and in the preseason which is super important twenty six to fifteen over the philadelphia eagles but it doesn't matter we'll continue talking about this game when we come back here on the kissing solex show. This episode is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h._q. So much of sports t._v. Nowadays is full of made up trauma. It's a bunch of hot takes from people who don't even believe what what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but c._b._s. Sports h. q. is here to change all that it's a network that streams live twenty. 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Do you wanna talk about the j._j. Are sega whiteside touched on a little a bit more. I wanna talk about something. That's near and dear to this podcast heart yeah. Let's do game. I've seen eljay foreplay and a philadelphia eagles jersey. I can't remember gary even doing anything in his game besides getting an offsides call on a blitz or something stupid this it. I'm telling you two things for sure number. One eljay four is a better player right now than gary number. Two for gary is going to be above eligible for on the depth chart. I didn't even give you a third on. I'm not going to be happy about it. That's crazy to me for kick showing the reins yet again. The guy sees it. He fires his gun. He goes to get it and he wraps up in tackles. The guy does his job and rostock was really highlighting eddie t._j. Edwards the u._d._f. Out of wisconsin for his plant mike and just playing well as the third string mike i definitely agree but i have not seen a good the best backup mike i've seen so far as eligible for specifically mike in the center of the defense read scrape phil tackle. I think he's been highly consistent for the biggest issue. I have with him is that he's a three or four yards down the field tackler. He's not really grated coming up field getting underneath boxer being you know highly highly like a block deconstructing player and subsequently making a tackle short so line of scrimmage but he gets to where he needs to go on time he's regularly. I contact accordingly when you're when he's flying into the sideline this where i think he he's. He's a more exciting in a better player. I think he's got a really good flood when it comes to balance nicely and then in coverage for it's been one of the more consistent backers as for the eagles so to me it should be you know you're starting with brandon at mike and probably can move at will when you go three backers you're probably putting zac brown and mike aac moving brad onto sam and then your fourth linebacker for basically every spot is four and five. I mean it like ed. I don't even want. I don't want gary probably don't want edwards. I don't want singleton. I'd like somebody else pretty much but it's probably going to happen is it's going to be like i said batum and komo and then brad brown canoe and then gary is going to be four and four. It's going to be five. I guess keep gary is the five but like i'd want. I i wanna get somebody else. In there for god's sakes yeah absolutely. I think you know how i feel about that whole situation there but i think you're right. It makes it. It's getting it's getting missed in. I think a slew of them really well and eagles gave up twenty five points in the first half eljay for best preseason performances ad from what i've seen as the conductor of the l. j. fort hype train before they signed him. I'm very happy with this is great for my brand. Hey one thing that i was typing up in the off season. That doesn't really get talked about man. We had a rodney mcleod's citing today. He looked healthy. Young man was moving out there which is going to be great for this defense because we saw what happened with the secondary i mean the first real big hit to happen was mcleod going down early in the season and he was playing at a very high level so if he can get back and get healthy is one of the first guys to come back. We're still waiting. Ronald darby was still waiting on jalen mills unfortunately waiting on some guys to get back but with roddy mcleod back that's great for the secondary so that's great for brain as well as the big mcleod fancier something. That's not great for your brand. How are you feeling about that over on the eighty five percent field goal percentage for jake elliott okay faisali. Obviously nothing is ever bad for my brand. My brand is indomitable and unassailable a somber one number do as i have been saying from the beginning the eagles have have a kicker who can't miss from fifty plus and they're a team that does not attempt field goals fifty plus just a problem. I mean there's absolutely no way. This isn't mental right. It's gotta be it's gotta just looking at me like man those uprights bigger than they should looks like. There's too much base between eighteen those dale. Everybody knows it. Everybody everybody recognizes this now. It's impossible for him not to right. I mean so pretty much this preseason out of the east three or five and i think he said to for two from fifty plus and he's one for two from one for three from us in shifting memory serves. I think that's it right now. Which is just patently absurd it what what what it it comes down to is this and this is what i bring up all the time when it comes to things like the whole bears kicker thing that's going on which if you haven't read kaelin keilor's piece on sports illustrated shameless plug a great piece about the bears just totally losing their mind over the jake that was tipped his dent our they not. He's amazing the scapegoat yet. Trubisky right what it is is like if you're going to move on from a kicker you have to actionability prove to me that you can improve upon him and four even what elliott is which is not one of the best kickers in the league. Firstly kicker is not as valuable position to the eagles as it is for other teams because they don't take as many field goals number one number two. You still can't really finally got a free agent guy in the market to improve on like like you were to labor camp battle hurley loyd. I mean i'm there. I'm there in a heartbe. I've been saying listen. I've always been a theory that like oh man. I'm an old washed soccer player who slow watched do with my life brother. Throw on some passive shell on the sideline for fifty eight minutes but in the way it's you the u. k. It's too late for a camp all right elliot shaky this year if you want to improve on them you bring any u._d._f. Bringing a free agent next year make it a camp battle see if somebody can beat him out but right now as you're kicking for twenty nineteen there's no way they're moving on from him unless injury or like an absolute implosion in the season which he probably won't implode in the season like he's done this before where he's like in a couple of missed a couple a bad streak and then he gets he gets hot again. You know from inside fifty but it's very silly. It's very silly. Mike we live silly. Lives is what j. kelly. It's like yeah fifty eight yards. Let's get it. Oh no thirty six. Why dot yeah he's. He's mentally tough though like you said he he'll you'll get over. He doesn't get in those prolonged funk's which has good at speaking a special teams man. This game had a ton of flags sloppy stuff. It was so sloppy there were so many flags that eagles fans in attendance were actually bullying a flag called on the ravens which was just last heard improve eagles fans and and philly fans and general accurately communicate how they legitimately and authentically feel about a game now. This is when the eagles fan do they. They want to stop going because they're bored and that's okay. Stop sucking will stop doing a speaking of sucking can we can we talk about the two cornerbacks that we had josh hawkins and jeremiah mckenna's knock right and i don't think you understand how much i was longing for. The days of j. liggins those two hawkins doc ins and mckinnon. They are straight up space connects space cadets christmas happened to a to a gym album liggins they they caught him. They had to make room from to make some other move all right. I don't know i don't know where he went but would you would you would think by the way that these games go after the quote unquote starters starters like but not actual starters maybe who knows by the time they come out for the eagles you would think in these preseason games at the eagles have like literally zero corners rostered by because it it's it's so bad in the death net area and men to the people to come back from injury. I don't know how you felt about how they played but i don't think they're any answers there <hes> the secondary hey guys. I'm not sure how the safety is played. I had to kind of check that out when i when i watched the rewatch but any thoughts on winners on the defense maybe in the secondary you can kind of take it where you want to from there. 'cause i know you usually read the winners winners and losers column for b._g._n. Right which had not even begun so i thought i had you know twelve minutes of the fourth quarter left do it and then we start the game <hes> which is great. I wanted to stay up late right dot uh-huh. You know what i think will happen. I don't know that's why when the eagles roster jails ross ronald darby sidney jones was full dog l._s. of automatics save on the block lord niskanen drake. Whatever that that that you don't want like is there reason practice squad jeremiah mckinnon. Josh hawkins no. There's nothing here gene harris sojourn shelton the rutgers kid whatever right channon sullivan the georgia state can't from twenty eighteen who you know they had actually had play for a little bit but they practice squad at him. Initially he ended up moving in green bay. He's probably getting caught. His green bay's added multiple corner percents that i would not be shocked bring chance old and right back on the practice squad if they can you know they had they have to. They have to wait until green bay does but i would imagine he's not good but i feel like they would feel better right i. I didn't like his film coming out. I didn't like his fit in philadelphia jiminy christmas by the jeremiah mckenna. This is what i'm saying. They made brought him in adjudicate last year. We know that like my main point here. Being i wouldn't be shocked if you know legal so the eagles keeps keeps six corners to keep seven corners corners whatever if and when they practice guy it's not one of these fellows because i think they've seen enough from josh hawkins and jeremiah mccain and like you said to know that it you know we we can look elsewhere and give you a chance. Maybe it's just you know hold onto sojourn shelton and shell like they've got good corner depth. We haven't seen a lot of a lot of them are rehabbing and whatnot but then good corner depth. They're we're fine. It's not like these are important positions. Just talking about building out the practice squad speaking of unimportant positions and building alpine squad eagles trade bruce hector for network <hes> it was a two thousand eighteen sixth round pick. I want to say out of virginia. <hes> arizona cardinals safety why traders hacker because you currently have players players in assam ridgway trevan stor and finally a person who'd just hive. I have randomly ended up in kevin wilkins. You drive undrafted free agent rutgers who keeps flying while on the eagles. Are i think even tackle might be the best position deepest position <unk>. It's the deepest with quality deputized that can come in you get to like five and six deep age probably offensive tackle. It probably goes off tackle defensive tackle and the wide receiver in terms of just like the full strength of everybody the depth chart right fifty three. It'll probably tight end because like two of the three guys will be top twelve players in the league at smaller grew exactly yeah but like defensive tackle oh with flash me jackson timmy jernigan and then let's say keep five probably ridgway faster man. I mean hester who wasn't the biggest fan of him. You know when they signed nine. He's improved steadily. Ridgway looks like a great acquisition for the seventh round. Pick the basis for him seventh six whatever it was pointless move whatever ridgway like he's he's consistently disruptive wilkins. I like. I don't know when they put the third string team in but i always find out because some there's just a a huge dude with dreadlocks who says why does a door frame just right in the middle of the back like us on the thirteenth. You've had applied consistently his pass rush ability not there. He pushes the peak of the pocket. That's it but in terms of getting off the ball and presenting a filling gaps against iran. He's really sound right now so weirdly weirdly like heaven wilkins. This attack room is really good is it. It's it's varied even very strong. Felicia be excited. They definitely been very good throughout the preseason. We're gonna continue new covering the eagles. Preseason moves were getting closer and closer to roster cut downs of course will have tons of content here at b._g._n. For you ben i think that's going to do it for the recap of the eagles ravens exciting erotic preseason action. Would you say goodbye to the gentle gentle listeners. I have bad news. I have good news and a have morgan news and then. I have <hes> morgan news okay so bad news on to tell you this. If you got engaged again and you talk about your mic again i now know michael. We don't talk about that bad news. The upcoming eagles game is the fourth preseason game which will likely a include exclusively cody kessler and clayton thorson <hes> as well as no players will have significant playing time in twenty nineteen nineteen the regular season bad news good news that is the last week of the preseason subsequent to which the regular season will begin september eighth against the washington redskins opening seventy five touchdown pass from carson wentz. John jackson beautiful destined further further good news. There's real actual football that matters <music> on saturday it is between florida gators miami hurricanes and the arizona wildcats and the hawaii rainbow warriors coal mcdonnell scout and if you don't like college football that's fine but this is real football with a score that counts with records that matter i haven't seen it before and the teams actually trying to win and i couldn't be more thrilled and finally only way with zero context. I just wanna say call. 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How Will Patriots Offense Benefit From Cam Newton? | Patriots Press Pass

New England Patriots Press Pass

08:46 min | 7 months ago

How Will Patriots Offense Benefit From Cam Newton? | Patriots Press Pass

"The. In signing with the New England patriots, things are about to change on offense. I'm Sierra that will here with Evan Lazar totally different skill sets from Tom Brady from Jerry said of what we were expecting out of the Patriots offense in his twenty twenty season, but which positional which area of this offense benefits the most from this citing while Sarah All off-season I've been scratching my head in racking my brain to figure out you. How does this patriots offense get better right? How do they work this year? In the one thing that kept on coming back to is that the way that they've built this team with the multiple tight ends, the brandon stable running back. Back, so they have when the Keel Harry being a big bodied rack type of receiver, I'm thinking I need a mobile quarterback. They need somebody that can move the pocket. They need somebody that can extend plays with his legs. They need somebody that can make the defense respect his running ability. They need to spy or contain them on the edge or do something like that and I was like listen. Dirksen could be that guy. We saw it in the preseason. He's a decent scrambler. He can run around a little bit, but now they got Cam Newton. And that's a whole different animal in this regard, and that's the most exciting part about this now is. Is that the rest of the legal are a lot of the rest of the League is playing eleven on eleven offensively right. They got the quarterback as a running thread. Defenses have to respect that they have to put an extra guy in the box or account for him in the box or the defender, and now the Patriots get to get in on that fun, and they get to get in on that Lamar. Jackson, style of offense, or whatever offense you WanNa Take the past you know Colin. Kaepernick Softens Cam, Newton's offense and Carolina. Now they get to do some of those things. That's really exciting and you know you look at the tape and you see. See Okay. You know even though you only carried the ball. Thirty six times on read option plays averaged over five yards per carry in two thousand, eighteen on those thirty six carries, but also their running game average five and a half yards per carry on running back carries off of read option, so we're talking about an offense that is far more efficient on the ground, and when you look at the the Patriots are building here. It's a run first offense with the play action passing attack with the defense second hold teams in the teens, and that's how they're going to win football games, and now they can really lean into that style with at quarterback. In the most recent concern surrounding cam was that. Is that foot injury that he still rehabbing from he was only able to certain playing two games in the twenty nineteen season for the panthers. How concerning that if it limits his ability to run, because then that really limits what he brings to the table as a quarterback right, you know early on in his career, and especially in the height of his career in his prime he. He was running powerplay, so they are pulling guards in front of him or leading the full back through the whole and Cam was the ball carrier. They weren't handing the ball off to any running backs. They were just running him right up. The Guy I don't know if those days are I think those days are numbered for him. I don't know if he's going to be that type of guy where he's carrying it on. On Design quarterback runs where the quarterback is the primary ball carrier sixty five seventy times a year I don't think we're GONNA. See that cam anymore, but with a good thing with the Patriots is that they don't necessarily need that cam? They need him to be a threat. They just need them to hold the backside of the defense. They just need defender to be pulled out of the run formation to be able to be. Be that read player right where cam standing there with the read option play, and the defensive end is saying okay. I can't jump into this run and stop the running back. Because I need to worry about cam going I'll around the edge I. set the edge now they have that hold on the backside, and even just that even their numbers in the middle of the field so that even if Canas handing the ball off. Of the time on these read option plays, it's going to create a numbers advantage for the Patriots elsewhere. That's going to benefit them. Overall the rest of our Kim New England patriots coverage. Find It on our website at T. on US media dot. com in on Youtube, channel, a Patriots Press Pass. There is no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner bid. Online sports are slowly making its way back with the UFC NASCAR and soccer leading the way that online has all the best odds in lines for the upcoming matches this weekend. Need more that online has simulated NFL NBA and UFC happening every day. Live for you to check out looking for something else other than sports, but online has hundreds of live Casino Games poker tournaments, and all the best props in the business visit bet online dot ag, or use your mobile device enjoy now to receive your new welcome bonus in start playing today, but online your online sportsbook experts. In signing the New England patriots could be quite beneficial for the patriots receivers. I'm Sierra. Goodwill here with Evan Lazar. Nikiel Harry is really expected to take a major jump in his second NFL season. How does new in help that development while the guy that I look back for Nikiel Harry and Cam Newton and sort of the model that they can look at. At is Kelvin Benjamin in two thousand fourteen, when he was a rookie with Carolina went for over a thousand yards in his first season in that offense, because him and Cam had a great relationship on back shoulder throws high point fades. Just throw the ball up and let the big guy make a play and that was something that the Patriots tried to. To do often last year with Nick Harry, but the timing, and just sort of the element of the offense has never really seemed to click with Tom Brady. Right never seemed to really work and the one thing that we looked into kill. We talk about his route, running the fact that releases at the line of scrimmage or as route breaks aren't necessarily as. As Christmas, you want them to be in timing the precision of his route. Running is exactly where you need to be. The quarterback like cameras going to be a lot. More space is going to be a lot more pressman coverage a lot less press coverage I should say because they have to worry about cam as a runner rights you're not going to. To be able to turn your back to the quarterback as often so you're going to see a little bit more zone a little bit more op coverage I think for the team moving forward for defenses against the Patriots moving forward I think all of that benefits Nicole Harry. They can get sort of that relationship that he had with Kelvin Benjamin where I know. Know when you have this type of body positioning of I. Throw it to your back shoulder. You're going to catch it nine times out of ten. That's the type of kind of relationship that I think that those two can kind of glean out of this. I'm really excited to see. If Cam can sort of bring out another side and Nikiel hearing on. On top of that you have the ability with cams legs to run zone. Read to run, rpo to run different types of concepts that can get Nicole Harry opportunities to create what the ball on his hands in after the catch opportunities, quarterback cam is always good for guys that went after the cash, and that's what in the kill. Harry can do and. And I think that's what the Patriots are going to do moving forward as rely on fifty ball skills, but also realize basically Nicole. Harry is a glorified running back in a lot of ways with the ball on this. And now they got two guys that are huge great ball, carriers and Cameron to kill. That can do a lot of different things together. Not The rest of this receiving core still the number one guy we know. He was working out with Jarrett's stood on almost every day this off season, so the little bit of a start from scratch although I'm sure element doesn't mind too much now. He's got a vet served on him the ball. But how will the rest of the this receiving or benefit or just? How will it affect them why I'm interested to see how cam in Julian item and actually work together because? because. Kim is in Tom Brady right. He's not that accurate precision pocket passer throws every single exactly where it needs to be. So I am a little curious to see how that relationship works out, but in terms of who else benefits I look at the Burners Tomorrow Bird I, look at Jeff Thomas and I see the type of offense. The Patriots want to build multiple tight end fullback in the backfield, running threat quarterback. You know a lot of moving parts before the snap a lot. Lot of different angles that they're gonNA come out with blocking, but the biggest thing is is you gotta have somebody on the outside or in the slot? That can stretch the field vertically. Otherwise those safety is going to continuously walked down and walked down and walk down, and you're going to see single high looks with loaded boxes loading up against the run, even if it is with Cam Newton now, it's still going to be a factor so I think that a guy like Thomas Guy. Guy Like bird now's a great opportunity to be the Patriots version of Hollywood Brown and Baltimore to be that guy that makes the defense back off. Just a little bit to respect is one speed guy on the outside so whether it's Thomas Bird. Somebody's going to have to emerge in that role. Because the way the offense is is built now the way the offense is going to have to play moving forward with CAM at quarterback. They need a deep threat to take the top off. The rest of our cam new in Patriots Coverage. Check it out on our website Sealand, US media DOT COM. Don't forget to subscribe to our Youtube Channel at Patriots Press Pass.

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Big Blue Big Board: Catching up on wide receivers

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37:36 min | 2 years ago

Big Blue Big Board: Catching up on wide receivers

"Uh-huh. Hello and welcome to the big big board podcast. I am Dan Zuhdi. Join tear by Chris flung? A we are coming to you with a Monday episode because there's not much else to talk about right now. It's for the giants. At least it's draft from here on out. There's going to be a little free agency at some point. But we're a little bit away from that. And right now, it's just kind of figuring out where these draft prospects are going to be we're going to jump back in with our draft position rundown. We only have two west. So we're going to try to bang them out this week before we get to deceive near bowl next week. So today we are going to talk about some wide receivers. You ready do break that down? Chris I better because we're doing it. That's just how it goes read a ready or not we're going to talk about some wide receivers. So we have left these two positions or the end because as we kind of look at what the giants new. Need and what they're likely to do wide receiver and running back are going to be low on that list. But at wide receiver the giants could steal us. A number three. They have Odell Beckham about as as you could hope for it had wide receiver and then sterling shepherd of the number twos. Been used in the slot. And in the outside, especially this year. He moved around Ogle, more doubt. Number three position is open signed, Adam. But he was only signed to a one year deal. He didn't really do much until like the last couple of games of the season. He was on. I r for a bunch of the season Corey Coleman is in. He showed like a play per game at wide receiver. But he was mostly for special teams. Who knows if he's going to be brought back then there was just a whole bunch of other. Okay, guys. But you cares. The Bennie Fowler jewel. Davis still on the team. Quadri Henderson is going to be unseen. But again, he was special teams guy. So there's there's a lot of question marks of who could be that number three wide receiver. Yeah. The other thing we have to take into consideration. With the position is sterling shepherd will be a free agent after this year. So the giants could and this is basically the setup for this entire podcast. They could think about getting somebody in place to replace sterling Shepard if they decide to move on from him or if they think they will not be able to keep him. If some other team is going to see potential in him offer that offer him more money than they'll be able to so between possibly getting ready to. Moving to different direction from shepherd or. Actually, find a long-term solution for the number three receiver. Yes. So this is maybe as we talk about it in underrated in need. So we definitely like to see a new number three. Whether that's going to come from free agency or the draft. But yet surly shepherd only has one year left on his deal. So after twenty nineteen hail be free agent. So we just don't know what that's going to be like so that is going to shape this. And if they think about what shepherd is going to cost down the line. And that's not something they want to get into then yell wide receiver becomes a much bigger need. 'cause then you only have Odell Beckham. And I'm sure a lot of teams would like to only have Odell Beckham of. But there's there's a little bit. You got to figure out there. So I think we'll be look at that. And we can try to find out now. Then what the giants would be. Looking for at that position some shepherd Ken play both in the slot and outside he played more in the slot. And I think he was a little more productive in the slot that I still like him outside. But I think if the giants are going to be looking for another receiver, it's probably going to be someone who can play more on the outside. Although I don't think that should be something they are exclusively looking for especially when you have Beckham who can also play in the slot. If you have three receivers who can all play on the outside and in this line. You can move them all around. I think that is something the giants should be looking for. Oh, definitely, especially when you look in the context of also having saquon Barkley who can play in the slot and a wide even though you didn't do nearly enough who can radically thing. Yeah. I get nothing from the twenty eighteen season showed me that he has that ability. Joke. That's not the belt Parkway. That is his usage. He should have been in the slot way. More. And also have an Ingraham who can do those things as well. He played the backfield the slot or out wide. And again, he wasn't used that way nearly Nuff so having another I don't like using the phrase Chesapeake because chess pieces can actually only move in a very specific way. That's very raise. It is that we use that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah. But say another Swiss army knife player who can play out of the outweighed at a slot may be an out of the backfield that has a lot of potential interest for the giants offense. Absolutely. And now as we as we go forward, I think I've seen some people calling for they want like a big body as a receiver. I don't think that's really a need even though even for. One number one receivers kind of on the smaller side. But that doesn't really matter and shepherds definitely on this side. I don't think size does not matter at wide receiver. If you have someone who can separate I want someone who is going to be able to to separate against man coverage in the giants didn't really have that without Beckham on the field. And if you're just a big guy who doesn't separate that doesn't do anyone any good. And I think that we can move that into the previous wide receivers. Dave Gettleman has drafted and that doesn't inspire whole bunch of confidence of because that has been Kelvin Benjamin who absolutely fits big and cannot separate and does no one any good. If there's a description of Kelvin Benjamin that was it. And then the next year they went to Devin funchess who was a little better, but still a kind of fell out of favor in Carolina toward the end of this season. And then they kind of shifted their overall plan on offense in twenty seventeen. And then they drafted Curtis Samuel as so there's only three wide receivers drafted by Dave Delman since twenty fourteen. So I don't know if he'll still try to get that that speed here or or if he still just likes the big guy. And if it's just if big is your only trait that doesn't help anyone. No, not not at all. You can find big tight ends at the back end of the draft. And they'll probably be about as good at separating as Kelvin Benjamin. This time of year especially talking about wide receivers. One of my favorite guys to follow is Matt Harmon does the. -ception perception, and basically two of his highest graded prospects of all time were Oto Beckham and sterling Shepard because they can just get open. They can use their route running they can use their release. They can set defenders up and they because they're actually smaller receivers they can be that much quicker out of their break. But they also have just ridiculous vertical. So they can play a lot bigger than their listed. So for me, just the ability to get open. Just whatever your toolbox is have use your tools to get open and then catch the ball. Yeah. Absolutely. So that is is part of something. I do I put a metric for wide receivers. Every year called target yards added in basically dacha takes a receivers yards per target and subtracts the quarterback from that. Team his yards per throw into other wide receivers or just throwing other passes. So it basically shows what a receiver adds to that offense will get more into that in another show when we have come to the full wide receiver to class, and we can really break into that. But basically it's just shows what a receiver adds to the offense. And a lotta times the guys at the top are guys who can separate and get deep. Sometimes it's guys who aren't targeted as often as maybe the top receivers are. But they're guys who can get open and get open deep. So I think that's that's a good skill to have good skill to target. And it's something this metric shows all just talk about that a little bit as we talk about some of the guys we're going to bring up today. So as we talk about these guys today, I think we're going to do something a little different and not just talk about the top guys who we will eventually. At talk about the in this class. But since the giants you have kind of specific needs, and we're not going to be looking at a guy in the first round. I think were each going to take three guys who rely one who might be around in the second one in the third or fourth. And then one late guy is so we'll be spreading out the type of prospects that we're talking about today. Yeah. The like we said before the receiver might be an under the radar need. But that's only if they say don't bring back Cody Latimer and Corey Coleman to kind of fill out the depth chart, and if they decide to move on from sterling shepherd or prepare for the possibility that they won't be able to afford him after this year. So we're just gonna look at some guys who maybe a little bit under the radar who just of interest us. So what's let's just get into that. So we're each going to take someone. Now, the first guys we're going to talk about or someone who probably be around in the second round might be somewhat in the first. But just depending on where they're whistled right now, they might be available in the early second. So Chris what what are you get to your guy? I okay, my guys deebo Samuel at a South Carolina. Now, he's not going to fit any ones. Desire for a big tall receiver. He's only listed somewhere between five eleven and six foot. But he's also a especially for his height. He's a thick receiver. He's listed somewhere between two ten and to fifteen. But he is one of these guys who can get open and just as an aside. I saw this was pretty interesting to me bread. Kelly contributor for the draft network. Looked at the measurable 's for every one thousand yard receiver this year and broke them down into over six foot tall and under six foot tall. And basically if they were over six foot tall, the average height was six one the average weight was two hundred seven pounds. The average forty is four five one and they have on average a thirty five and three quarter inch vertical for under six foot tall believed. They average height was about five ten five eleven average weighs one hundred eighty eight pounds with a four three nine forty and a thirty six and three quarter inch vertical. So not only can just different body site body types, be very productive. When you get to the extremes productivity tends to fall off the super John norms receivers don't tend to get the huge numbers and the small receivers unless they're tyreek hill don't tend to get the big numbers. So Samuel from aegis physically. He's a guy who fall somewhere. In that middle area physically and South Carolina used him all over the offense of front a lot. They really like to use him in bunch sets or trips formation. They played in the slot and out wide. And he's a guy were get the ball in his hands in turns into running back. He kind of. Watching him kind of felt similar to watching Victor Cruz back in the day. Just has that ability to put a foot in the ground sink, his hips and then explode out of his cut just kind of create separation, and then maybe not necessarily run away from defender. But at least hold the distance. Yeah, it's interesting just going back to what you said kind of about the profiles of these guys. I have talked a bunch about how a lot of the Athol lettuces on testing is through the Combi in spark scores and things like that are going to really shape, how we view these prospects as we get further into the evaluation process. I the one place where that matters less the end, I would probably barely look at it sparked for the position is is wide receiver. I will so much more at at production for wide receivers. Then then I do athleticism in regards to like every other position. Why receivers are just so different in in different ways. They can win and the different ways they can be successful. You can be relatively not super athletic. You don't need to be a super athlete to win and figure out how to get open as a wide receiver. So that's that's one thing that's going to be interesting to look at because so many of these guys can just win in different ways. So at Samuel is a guy who's going to be interesting because when I break down these target yards added. He's the guy who falls under a full tardy yards added. And that's when I start to bring up kind of a red flag. That's nothing. They aren't good guys in the past who have been under one target yard added. Doodoo you Smith's Schuster was was one of those guys. But I think more often than not it starts to bring up a red flag. And you wonder why? But Samuel was a guy. Who knows still heavily targeted in his authentic hundred targets that was a twenty four point eight percent target share is. But he's going to definitely be IBI guy guy to look at going forward. So I'll jump to to my second round pick, even though I am not sure if this guy should be second round pick because it might opinion. I think he should be wide receiver one in this class. And that is JJ Sega Whiteside from Stanford. This dude is just I find him to be just super good and really interesting. So he is listed at six three to twenty five. He was a beast of four Stanford. Yeah. Ninety five targets thousand fifty nine yards. You'd had fourteen touchdowns. He was she's a guy who just wins. Contested catches those how to use his body to to block out smaller defensive backs. He is also someone who can just. Have win just straight up off the line. He kind of reminded me of like he had like a Doug Baldwin release off the line and at six three to twenty five having a bigger Doug Baldwin is is insane. Yet is sixty seven percent catch rate, which is great. And in terms of yards added yet three point five yards added which among the guys I have right now is eighth in this class. And that was with a twenty three point three percent target chair in the Stanford offense. So he was getting through net quite a bit. He added a lot that offense. I love his size. What his speed I love how the uses all of those together. Just create a full everything you would look for into wide receiver. I think our Sega Whiteside can bring to the table. I would not dispute you on any of that. He is really fun to watch and personally at his size. I'm not sure he's going to weigh as much as he is listed. But he's still definitely a good sized receiver. He moves like a much smaller player. I saw on broadcast one game that both of his parents were basketball players. I've leave his mother still holds an NCAA record and his father played professionally in Spain and was on their Olympic team. And he moves to me like a basketball player. He moves like like a point guard like. Russell westbrook. Derrick rose, maybe not that level of athletic freakish nece, but just his ability to navigate the field in and out of his cuts in breaks is. Impressive. Yeah. I just I think he is. He has the potential to be really good any has. He has the skills that are going to translate. He has that big body that can box L. Those those smaller defenders, but he also has the speed and get off to create separation on his own on. If you're looking for receiver, those are two of the big things you would look for. So he has this size. He also has the ability to get open. So he's someone I am very excited to continue watching as goes forward. So our next guys are going to be guys who who might be like late third early Ford. So late day too early date three. So Chris who who do you have in that area? Well, I'm glad you ended by saying you're excited to watch or Sega Whiteside because my guy might be one of the most exciting players in all of college football, and that's marquees Hollywood Brown now Hollywood says nickname, and he earns it he is. Is a little receiver. I think he's like five nine bucks sixty. But he's one of these little guys who just looks like he's playing the game at a different speed from everybody else. Like, if you remember Brandin cooks coming out of Oregon state, or you know, slightly painful memory young to show on Jackson. Just one of these guys. He can either just completely blow the top off of a defense with his speed, which he should have four three speed easily. And it wouldn't surprise me seem in in the forties or he could catch the bowl short and still make a big play out of it. Yes. I remember. Watching one play with Oklahoma. They ran a mesh concept, and we went to him and just over the course of the mesh avoiding defender, he wound up actually running backwards back past the line of scrimmage well. But by the time he got to the sideline he cleared the defender turn it off field and made a huge play out of it. And. It's just those sorts of things where he gets his hands on the ball, you pay attention because you never quite know what's going to happen. Yeah. One thing. I like about him is how they did move around. So we had one hundred seven total targets that was thirty two point. Six percent target share in the Oklahoma offense. So one hundred seven hundred seven total targets forty six of those came from the slot. So so they moved him. They moved him around. He had some time the outside. I had some time in the slot. That's that's the type of versatility. You wanna look for especially someone like that ten touchdowns just over thirteen hundred yards. Seventy point eight percent catch rate. And so so these are all things you wake get five ten listed under one hundred seventy pounds of. But when you have that speed, I think, that's that's not something that's going to matter. When you're when you're behind the defenders by tonky added he falls in just below one to zero point nine six of the guys. I have right now. That's like twentieth that so that's still not bad. And especially if you can continue to add things of the one thing that that he gets enough for by target yards. Added is the Oklahoma offense was just so good. When I put together to the quarterback yards per tempt two other players that is eleven point three five and no one else only one other player is above ten when an offense was targeting someone else. So he still had twelve point three yards per target. Which is is really. Good. I just happens though, the Oklahoma offense was so good. But that's part of what I want target yards added to to measure is in the overall view of the offense because there are some players who who do get high yards per target. But because the the offense is so good. And so pass heavy, but I think Brown could add just enough in that Oklahoma offense that he's going to be productive going forward. And then two in terms of of that all take it to to my guy here in this area and somebody who has a yards per target on offense. That was not overall great and Ed is going to be a manual hall of Missouri. So he is listed at six three one ninety five again, the bigger guy in height of this lender. But that's okay. But against someone who can get down field. So he's a guy when he comes out. On top of target yards added right now, he is the top wide receiver at seven point four three. Target's added. Are you we had a fourteen percent? Target's share at Missouri. But he's someone when the ball went to him. It was a big play a so fourteen point three yards per target when Missouri through to anyone else they only had six point eight five yards per tempt. So he is someone who is incredibly explosives six three. He's he's a little bigger. So he can win some of those jumbo's that you can throw to him, but just so much explosiveness there. He's you'll be head fifty eight targets, but and twenty two point four yards per catch. And by marginal explosiveness, which is kind of like an expected points added four the four receivers, and this is per Bill Conley's numbers at football study hall zero point nine five which is insane for someone targeted as often as he is. So he. He's also a senior he's someone who's going to be at the senior bowl. So I think if he lines up there, and it does. Well, I think his stock is only going to continue to rise. Yeah. And that's an those guys are always fun to watch and watch out for the ones who maybe weren't in the best situation in college or didn't get the best chance to shine and showcase their talents. And then they go someplace like the senior bowl where they wind up making everybody. Go. Okay. Who's this guy and send just a legion of scouts back to the tape and try to figure out what they missed. Yeah. And I think he he is going to be that guy so players who addict come out well on top of tards added. I think they especially as as high as he didn't over seven is is really good. So we'll continue to. Talk about that. And I think I've wanted to vote kind of a full episode to just go into the process, and what it means, but someone who can add that much to to an authentic. That's that's a big play threat and still at six three is that's another combination of something you want out of a receiver, especially if you can get him in in the middle rounds of the draft. So let's now go to the guys who we think might be. Kind of values. Maybe maybe in in the wait around. So Chris who do you have there? Yeah. Mine's actually kind of a familiar name. And I suppose maybe a little bit of an offbeat. Prospect, and that is Jalen Hurd out of Baylor. Now, if his name's familiar, that's because he used to be a very highly regarded running back prospect for Tennessee. But then some things went down at Tennessee. He wound up having it was disagreement split, whatever with the coaching staff and de opted to transfer out he wound up in Baylor and switched to wide receiver, and he has since become something of a big play threat for them. But the interesting thing is as running back. He was a big running back who's six listed six four to thirty or two forty something. Like that. He's I think probably about two twenty five now. So he still big receiver. But Baylor also still uses him as running back on occasion. They'll use him. In short yardage or goal line situations line him up in the backfield either in the pistol or actually under center and still use him as a power back. But he's also shown enough that he can be a wide receiver. They use him in the slot quite a bit where he's going to have either size advantage over most slot corners or athletic advantage over most linebackers were gonna cover him. He can catch the ball. He shows a little bit of that ability to kind of sink hips in and out of his cuts and breaks to kind of mitigate the fact that he's a told who'd, but he's also quicken his release. He doesn't kind of roll out of his stance. Like you see some big receivers do and once he gets into a little bit into the open field. He stretches those long legs out and he's fast. So that ability to kind of be running back slot receiver. He's definitely got the frame to be an ex receiver. But only one year of experience at position you'd probably want to take some time in coach him up in the finer points playing wide receiver before you do that. But just that background and his skill set to me is very intriguing especially again with OPEC Amon sterling Shepard who could both be moved around saquon Barkley who could be moved around Ingram who who could be moved around. You could potentially have a twelve or even twenty two personnel set, which all of a sudden becomes. A four or five wide receiver set. And what would that do to a defense? Yeah. That's something. Wouldn't you could move around some of these pieces? So like you said he first someone who as can toll is he is in. We worked is running back before he moved to wide receiver worth almost exclusively from the slot at Baylor. So ninety seven of his one hundred seven targets came in the slot. That is somewhere that can can pose a matchup problem. And again like we said he is someone who is still learning to play wide receiver. A he was a running back when you look to this still what he four percent target share at Baylor's one point six to target yards added, which is about average for someone with his skill set. And who is also learning the position that is not bad to the average before additive from the. Amount of receivers. I have since going back to twenty fourteen is about one point five. Creeps up to about one point six now. I'm so having an average they're still working that position on his with his size and his agility being able to work that dig in the slot. That's absolutely something to keep an eye on going forward. And he's against someone who's going to be at the senior Bhosle, he'll get some of these one on one match up. So we'll see how he continues to improve possibly as we go further into into draft season. So dumb by guy is is someone who are really isn't talked about because his school is not talked about a lot. And and rightfully so of. But also someone who is going to be at the senior bowl. And that is Andy is a Bella of from UMass. So Isabela is is was at five ten one ninety. So he's very much going. Probably be exclusively a slot receiver. But at UMass he did move around a little bit. He was targeted very often at UMass yet one hundred forty eight targets and that was a thirty point eight percent Tarya chair of of the U mass passing offense of but he was a really good when they've relied on him. He was the passing offense us so five point eight five target yards added, which is number three in this class. Right now, the guys I have a doubt have like thirty seven guys sample, whether they're all going to be in the class or not of not totally sure yet. But when you mess wasn't throwing to is Adela that's five point six two yard spirit tempt and he had eleven point four seven yards per target. So he was over thirty percent of the target share. And. More than doubled the yards per target. When he was thrown to us. He's a guy hundred forty eight targets seventy eight of them came in the slot. I'm so he's still did get some time outside, but he's a guy who is going to be a super fast. He's sobered improbably. I think as a Michael kissed of who right for breeding green nation does their podcasts. He was posted some videos of Isabela over the weekend on he was like, this is the guy who has a possibility to be like sub four four us. Oh, please. Don't start saying this guy is Nikki athletic or sneaky fast because he is a white slot receiver. So that's just not going to be true. This dude is legitimate. We fast he can get open. He can run. Really well. So he's someone I'm going to continue to see excited in the senior bowl circuit. And as we go further, and especially the hopefully going to assume you we get invited to the combine since he did get by. Added to the senior bowl and what he runs he's probably going to blow some people away with that. And I think he has the ability to to really produce at the NFL because of how much he produced at UMass. A when he was really the only option in that passing offense. Yeah. That's that's always interesting. When guys who are who are the offense are still able to produce. Yeah. Yeah. It's something that ED's part of why? I put target yards added together because I wanna see college offense is so crazy the the range in in what offenses are in college is just so big. So I wanna see who I stand out in relation to their offense. And sometimes that gets you the guys who are really good on really bad offenses when sometimes they wouldn't be talked about otherwise uh. So he is someone who. I am looking forward to going forward. I think another guy who I think I could have brought up with like our Sega Whiteside. You'd probably would be my wide receiver to in this class is a team Butler who was thirty three point three percent. So third of the Iowa State offense and still five point one yards added. So he's someone of we'll talk about in future receiver episodes. In fact, you might even be a guy to just keep an eye on because. He just his size might intrigue. Dave Gettleman, if he still goes back to wanting just John almost human beings in maybe somebody who can be a contrast to Beckham in shepherd and just be bigger than the defense in the red zone. Yes. So he's listed at six six to twenty five. But it is not just someone who is big. He can run a catch radius is the unreal. I'm not even sure there's a good word to describe. How big is catch radius is an and he's someone who can run. This is not this is not Kelvin Benjamin someone who can create separation. I get open. But he's someone we are dabs. A we going to talk about 'cause he's probably right now my second favorite wide receiver in this group. But I took our Sega Whiteside because our Chinese I think my favorite are right now. Now. So that's the only reason I didn't bring him up. But absolutely someone we will continue to discuss going forward. That's fair. We we've got plenty of time to do that. And I think we're pretty good stopping point for the wide receivers right now. Yeah. Yeah. Plenty of time. We're still in mid January, Mike the draft is not till April. We hope we have a lot of episode just to get through oria until then so yeah, bull. We'll end this episode there because we got to save some of it. You can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcast, please rate in review, if you have not that does help us quite a bit of thank you to everyone who has done that. He's was at big view dot com were will be doing a lot of writing a Christus started doing his draft profiles this week. 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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs mailbag (Ep. 181)

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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs mailbag (Ep. 181)

"What's up everybody takes the joining us today. The big. Arrowhead Bride Laboratory mailbag edition. Kind of feels like this is really the last off season mailbag. Until. The regular season starts really because we're going to be going straight into game week next week. It's very close Fellas I can feel it I'm sure you can feel it too. We got great questions to answer and here to help me answer as always are my dear pals I find him on twitter at chief in Carolina. Mattie Lane. What is good? Everything is good. We had football on last night for the first time. This year, we had a real game of football. It was a fantastic thing to watch. We got to see Jack Short. Run over an air conditioning unit. We got to see Jackson. A human on the field. It was just a great time. It was it was a fun game to watch. It was not a pretty game, but you know that's just the signaling football started. It was like watching a preseason football game. It got me amped up I'm ready to go. We are joined by Craig Stout the Renaissance Man I know he has energy through the roof right now he's ready to go how you doing today buddy. I have the same amount of energy that Robert Rochelle from Central Arkansas had last night my man headache game two, four, get he was poor but it was great to watch football I. got to watch it with my good pals here on zoom call and we got to just kind of joke around enjoy football. Again it was it was really nice. So I'm looking forward to talking about the chiefs I'm looking forward to chiefs football. We are almost there next week you guys the chiefs will be playing football. It's crazy. Yeah this I'm telling you this is like the last off season mailbag edition because next week, there's going to be questions about the construction, the fifty three ever GonNa. Be Four days away or three days away from the game because the chiefs kick off the season early. So we've got some great questions from you guys as always and we start with some. Mail questions. AP NERD SQUAD AT G MAIL DOT COM is the address if you don't have twitter if you don't WanNa leave us a five star review feel free to email that accounts and we'll try to get your questions answered Donnie in New Mexico Hey guys love the AP lab in everything you do. My question is for the price that Jahic and Gakugei went for. Would you guys make the trade or keep the defensive end rotation as it is I would personally do it because he is better than cloudy in my opinion. I would still rather take today young cloudy. I do think he's a little bit of a superior football player overall. I, think his run defense is better than in Goch ways pass rush, and then just when you flip those roles I, definitely think clowns better getting after the pass rusher. The ISSAQUAH is against the run on top of that in Geico just doesn't fit the Steve spagnolo defensive in stereotype he only hits one out of the. Three criteria that he usually goes for now we've seen Mike Danna is definitely an exception to that rule right now. So maybe they're going to move away from that. But at this point in time I don't think it's worth going to pay the money to Gawk way that he's asking for in the future or right now especially when cloudy still out there in free agency and you wouldn't have to give up any draft picks aright Adam. Emails in. Watching, a lot of Bob Sudden Era Games lately, and has me thinking if you could pick one chiefs team from that era to go back and swap Sutton for spags which team would you choose and how do you think that would affect the overall team performance in the regular season and playoffs. Thanks. Cheers Adam. This is an easy one for me two, thousand, Eighteen Patrick Mahomes. Was the MVP and that offense was ludicrous. They were held back by their defense and by Bob Sutton's vanilla scheme. The new. England patriots knew exactly what Bob Sutton was doing on any given. Did Not have to audible did not have to change anything and that was the difference in overtime of the AFC championship game I. Know That I've said, multiple times. All of us have that if the chiefs would have made that super bowl, they would have beaten the rams in that game. So really realistically all they had to do was get past that patriots. Team Steve Spagnolo gets passed that Patriots. Team they win a super bowl we are talking about three painting and twenty twenty in that situation. Alright, I, I one, hundred percent agree by the way, let's up to the twitter questions now Jeff Pars. Craig. Ary. quit all his jobs in focus one hundred percent of his time on carrying corona virus. How long until we'd have a cure realistically there could be a cure out there from the renaissance man himself just we may not know until he gets verified on twitter. Don beale thirty, two with cans conspiracy that is coming on I want to put down that to the two thousand eighteen draft class was all eighty while V two is still getting the hang of jamming and then took the reins into thousand nineteen thoughts. I think that anybody that thinks that Andy Reid is not pulling a large number of the strings in that building is kidding themselves. Andy Reid runs this organization by and large. Yes. Brett vh comes up with the scouting plan breadth of each and the the front office there sit down and work up contracts and everything. Like that. But I do think the Andy Reid puts his stamp of approval on almost everything that happens in that building. So yes, I do think that Andy Reid had some big say in what the draft class was I. don't know that it was any different than any other year I think maybe we just saw breadth of each getting a sea legs under him finally understanding how this all works behind the scenes understanding you know how to not get smoke-screened or whatever the case may be any sort of games that GM's are playing. Basically, he figured it out after that first year. And we're seeing the results, the last two draft classes have been fantastic I said it when this draft happened I. Still Think it's true. Now, vh was playing it safe. He was trying really hard not to swing and miss. He was just trying to hit singles in this first draft that he was having with out having the entire up to be all to himself. So he ends up taking guys like speaks ninety Dory, no Daniel, all these guys that are going to be safe picks that if they don't work out a little bit of a fallback plan high energy effort guys. Play. Really hard really tough things like that. It just didn't work out. I'm with Gregg though Andy Reid has a little bit of say on every single thing that happens for this team I don't know how much scouting in choosing of defensive players Andy Reid does I don't know how involved is going to be that I do think yes final say but I do believe he trusts his scouting department in his defensive coaches to make that decision, and since this is mostly defensive players that we're talking about I don't know how much he you can really put that blame on. Andy there. Yeah, I I think you've gotTA look at Brett visas comments after the bruins speaks pick and I. IT tells you that it wasn't more of a veto pick than it was an Andy Pick. Now that being said, everything that Craig's out just said is one thousand percent true Andy. Has. More control. Of this entire organization in every facet than most people realize. And You know it's it's a really nice. Any does a really good job of of separating himself publicly. That's breads job. That's breads job. You know that kind of stuff it's a really well, well built strategic tactic by him but like he's got his hands all over everything just just know that dared freelance. Asks after hearing Mahomes say he was practicing pitching the ball because he saw either Brett farve aired rogers do I went back and watch farve clips? In what ways mahomes like far in what ways are they different? The Art Talent is obviously very prevalent in both of them the ability to throw off from a variety of different platforms everything to be perfect for them to throw the football with the Kinda and pace that's required to do some of the things that these guys are capable of doing and they both have some absurd highlight reels I mean watching old clips is a treat it really is. I think one of the big things that's different between them, I think. Far. Far. Far He was more records with the football I. It's just like he had really big brain farts just that would did they just come out of nowhere just some really dumb mistakes MOMS avoids those mistakes. So it's kind of like it's like it's the next level version of like the more aware version of farve. You know a lot of ways I think both of tough physical tough to bring down to. There's there are some parallels there but there's also some differences. For me, I think the biggest difference is Patrick Mahomes is a lot better working on the move not that far couldn't do it. But when you watch mahomes body control edge ability to manipulate the entire field on the move far could do all these things. I just think mahomes is more accurate and a little bit more calculated on the move. He seems be more in control. Farve was all about if he was moving, he's just going to rifle the ball across his body into a guy that he. Thinks. His open running in free space but home just seems to have a little bit more control when he's on the move whether right or left, there's other differences amid talk about some of this is the first one that I see when I go back and watch them. I just think the throwing platforms especially on the move and the ability how quick it comes Outta mahomes hands win except they're being mobile like that is something that works a little bit better for him than it did for Brett. Brecca through of different platforms, it wasn't as athletic but I get, you're saying he. Could. Just think that the different arm slots that mahomes uses especially on the move I just entirely different level than anybody else we've ever seen that includes. It's hard to find a fluid thrower. The Way Mahomes is just period that can do all the things he can do on top of being a fluid thrower. It's rare. It's just I mean, it's absurd K. Govender. Asks which nonstarter will have the biggest impact on the back tour. You could say McColl. Matt Moore Stephen was new ski were Super Important, last year this is. Michael Hartmann I think. I don't expect to be a starter. He's not going to be one of the top three wide receivers. He is going to make an impact play on two or three games that definitely changed the direction of that game. Now, maybe it's a game, the chiefs would still win regardless, but he is GonNa make some plays that are going to change the direction that the gave is going I. Don't know if you can find any other starters that are gonNA. Have the ability to just completely change the course of the game is going besides vocal hardship purely due to the athleticism. Mine is pretty easy here even though the Buffalo is the chiefs base defense here. Dan Sorenson. Is Not necessarily considered a starter and he will be the third safety. He's probably going to end up playing roughly seventy percent of the snaps this year again for a the number of years in a row here. Dan Sorenson I year two in the system he's going to play mentally faster. He's going to understand where he needs to be a little bit better. We've talked about Dan at length both good and bad. But I think this is kind of a Gimme. I'm going to take the Mattie answer here simply just because he's going to be on the field seventy percent of the time, but he's not considered a starter behind tyrone matthew and one thornhill real quick. I. Think it's interesting that K. governors to to two of the three of his. Impact is word on the roster in the beginning of the year so Think about there. There's there's some guys that could come out of the woodwork. Technically. Willie gays not a starter right now. So I'm GonNa Roll with my guy bill gay I think he's starting to week what though this is kind of a Mattie answer to I think he's GonNa, wind up being the starter week one. Still I still believe but I think he is hands down the best linebacker on this football team he. Best, equipped to to make an impact at the second level of his defense for the first time in a couple of years because the linebacking core for the chiefs is the biggest problem for this football team, it has been the biggest football. The biggest problem for this football team not saying a lot because their quarterbacks haven't been particularly strong either it's really impressive what those safeties can do. I'm telling you. H Thirty two who gets more snaps this season Benjamin or Willie Gay and Damian Wilson Combined Insert can't rant. We're we're going to skip the Kent Ramp for this one. We don't need to the point over and over and over again don't we know we don't it's really gay Damian. Wilson because like I said that buffalo package is their most used package last year it was the number one percentage package that they used and the dime was the next one at twenty eight percent at that twenty eight percent. That's not enough to cover for when both of those guys are on the field in the base defense. So as long. As Damian Wilson holds that buck spot in the buffalo or you know when he transfers out, willie gay takes over, there's just going to be more reps for that which is why I'm not too worried about Willie gay if he overtakes Damian. Wilson here he's going to play more than been Niemann Benin is GonNa keep that dime role were just going to see Willy Gay Kinda take all of me Wilson's role if that is the path of the plan for him, he'll still out snap been Niemann if he started week one. I think combined Willie gain. Demon was obviously gonNA play more snaps than It's it to be particularly close. There's not really a way to do that. When you consider one of them has to play in the base, and until been even takes over as the starter in the nickel. That you can count on him to do that A. You're gonNA, get more nickel reps and you're gonna get dime reps with didn't even on the field. I do since we're talking linebackers here I would reiterate I think Willie gays most direct path onto the field is just simply overtaking Damian Wilson as the starter I really do think that is the most direct path I'm sticking to it I, kind of feel like chiefs really like been Neiman, and they want to use him as much as possible because they like what he can do. Will he gate Damian Wilson fighting for the same amount of snaps? They are clearly doing something a little different than Ben Niemann in terms of usage the way the teams using them that does give me a chance to play a roughly the same amount of wraps or more reps in either one of them separately just combined together. I just don't think until you see Ben Niemann. Field starting in the nickel you can even Putra tend to make that prediction We're going to take a break and we will be back right after this. I continuing the questions from twitter graver Taylor. Ask which player do you think? Brett veto could would should trade before cut down day. I think it's got to be one of your running backs. I. Think this is a really deep group. And you know the chiefs have. De'andre Washington I think has some value. And who knows if de'andre WASHINGTON'S A lock to make this football team a little bit of it depends on special teams. I think dion. Josh. Shown to be capable NFL back and you might be able to get a player for player trade of some capacity or. Maybe a a conditional seventh round draft pick for a guy like him. I don't really think there's a ton of moves that they're really going to be able to make though. With the current roster. Yeah looking at the roster I don't know if there's GonNa be a lot of players that are going to be covered by other teams that the chiefs don't feel like they need right now I would say look at the defensive room if you can find a suitor for real and speaks or a Taco Charleston, which that would be really weird given. The fact that he was just a free agent that came here, pretty cheap even Alex, Okafor, like if you could find somebody to take one of them off your hands for something coming back I think I'd go. That route just because you're starters I think are pretty clear with Clark and passing Oh you would have a good rotation behind them with two of those three guys left and Mike Daniel working in even if you need to Moni Harris that's absolutely fine he's proven he complained the League I. Don't think you need that many guys although I really liked the defensive Andrew I. Just don't think you need six guys that can all kind of play at the NFL level I was GONNA say Defensive End I'm GonNa go real real sleeper chance at something happened in here. cornerback. Now hear me I hear 'cause the chiefs don't have a ton. What is that physicians? Can you explain it to those for us that are fans of the Kansas City chiefs it's still the one with the lighter guys and they stand near the sideline the most and like the wide receivers noted over a lot of wide receivers, end they the wide receivers they're the ones that are trying to make them stop getting all of the past. I know as cheese fans all I know I know as fans we are used to just watching cornerbacks not matter period on both sides of the ball frankly because Patrick mahomes this amazing but. I Richard Sherman Guard anybody so I think there's a lot of young bodies in that room I. Think they like Antonio Hamilton as a special teamer. I think they like Bo peak keys and what he can bring Jerry Sneed, Reshad Vinton, they have various ward and they have a shot brealey now obviously, Bouchon Brielle and is going to miss some time there. The chiefs did not keep more than five corners last year on the active roster Assad brilliant being out with leave them with five. There is a chance maybe they like Lavar Hill maybe they like some of these other guys that are no longer. Shots to Kinda keep at the bottom of the roster here if they got a sweetheart deal for somebody not named Char various ward at this point because they don't WanNa turn over the entire roster but maybe somebody likes for shot. Fenton maybe they give up a little more than the chiefs have invested him to this point. Maybe we see them move on from that just from the pure standpoint that they've got a lot of athletic bodies in the room and not a ton of room for them. Yeah I mean I think the names that you'd have to look for there. Are Fenton and Brealey, like that's it I don't think there's going to be a really hard a difficult. You know case to make for anybody outside of those. So if it's GonNa be the one, it's going to be the quarterback position going to be one of those two. The only guy that would have trade value would be though like right. Every team had multiple chances to draft, fatten and just hit free agency again nobody right now that the concepts fat I agree with Craig's. Philosophy there it's just the chiefs don't because they don't care like they don't know what a corner is. They don't have anybody where training let. Other than Chart Various Various who they are definitively not trading because stay yet they're not gonNA do that to the team. Brandon four, twenty two asks former urban warrior. Man that feels like forever ago the she's been searching for a large target since they took a flyer on Kelvin Benjamin Jody Fortson seems to be a near-perfect red zone talk target where speed is needed is is that what the chiefs have been looking for? I don't know if the chiefs have been searching for a large body target like Kelvin Benjamin I think there was a chance to Kelvin Benjamin could still be what he was in Carolina with Cam Newton just throwing fifty fifty balls his way nonstop. So we took a shot autumn. A didn't really work out outside that I don't think the chiefs have gone out of their way and I don't even know if Kelvin Benjamin was really going out of their way to find a big body target quite simply that's does it fit Andy Reid softens. Always uses an x wide receiver like he always has a possession wide receiver that has some good size, but it's never a guy that can't run it all. It's not always at monster size guy he just likes to have a quality possession wide receiver he does it need jumbo wide receiver. He's never really coveted that especially with the chiefs I don't think the chiefs are looking for that they care more about speed separation and just having one guy still can get deep still has some speed just can also be a possession receiver. I don't see for instance, fit with the team. We talked a lot about Jodi Fortson last week on the podcast. Craig and I did from on Wednesday for you guys get a little over under action with like there's a Lotta stuff about four hundred in there for the full thing, which is simply I don't think makes this team because like you said, you can really only use them in the red zone and that is such a small percentage of plays. He can't play special teams can't really use between the twenty S I don't know how you justify guy to be on the roster when he's GonNa play three percent of the total snaps. I mean, yeah. Look at Sammy Watkins tyreek Hill to Sean. Jackson Jeremy. macklin Te'o I mean these are these are the stood in a d we kind of receivers and some of those. Big. Dude. But he could move like it's not even like Jason Avant was more of a possession receiver a route runner type dude. He was a bigger bodied receiver but he wasn't this big red zone target. That's just not what Andy Andy Reed's forte is not to say that he couldn't change you know midstream here but it does seem like if you just look at the rest of the roster, it's speed and more speed and more speed, and they're not looking for that basically the big body target just for the red zone. Are. You taking off the field in the reds? I. Know that's the other part. Yeah. That's the other I just like I don't know why I would want to take off. You know it's not Travis Kelsey. I. Don't. WanNa take off military kills quality leads receiver. He really is he's productive I don't WanNa Take I. Don't want to take Sammy Watkins off the field to get four inches taller in a second slower. And I I. Understand that the red zone but like what are they going to throw back their fates? Are we gonNA start throwing fades in the red zone here like that's not that's not good offense. That's not Andy Reid either how often is the Fayed been part of Indy, reads offense. Eighty read loves himself some Red Zone design that's why the weirdest things that you see come in the red zone, and now all of a sudden we're just gonNA instead of instead of shift to Rose Bowl right we're gonNA just line jody there just stand up and throwing the football. I not buying it and just put. Trap is Kelsey. If you'RE GONNA throw I want Travis Kelsey their ten times out of ten. Are we going to isolate Travis Kelsey isolate jody forts instead of Travis Kelsey like where how does this? How does it make sense? I'm sorry the biggest he'll turn in football right now would be eighty read going completely vanilla in the red zone. It would. There's no, there's zero chance. The biggest wide receiver that I think Andrew Heavily US I'm sure there's probably been a guy a little bit bigger but tank basket for the eagles with six three, two, hundred, twenty, four pounds big guy very big. You know what? He ran a four, five, three forty. So we could still run. That's still not slow and it's not like he was a big part they even let him leave and he came back for a second stint like that's just not something to aid you read goes after I don't think he's all of a sudden going to get one of the best quarterbacks on the move. From, the pocket one of the most magician with the football ever and all of a sudden say okay. Now, start throwing fades or start their own slants to a guy that can't run or change directions like they are not going to use force into the best. You won't see the chiefs use force in at his highest level as other teams would that like to throw fades and stuff like that and I think it's really hard to justify a spot on a guy that doesn't really play special teams and does it help you between twenty s? It's also worth noting that the Kelvin Benjamin experiment failed miserably. You Know I. I don't know I don't want to dunk on this man's dreams. I don't WanNa. Dunk on people that that light Jodi Fortson get why you I mean. He's like one of the few people were getting morsels of information about and like I could see like I think there's a difference between impressing contested catches in creating separation within an offense and there's you know like he's got to be able to get to the need them to get to any profile. He's basically tied. He's a tight end. Tight end that's playing wide receiver is a big body guy, but even watching him. I don't think he's a guy creating separation any better than he ever has sports talk Evan. What pick would you take Clyde Edwards Allaire in in a fancy draft? Take you in the first round with confidence take him in the top six ish with confidence I. Think it's a little bit of a bold move. I was in key league. Draft this weekend and he went second overall now there was some guys that kind of there was some first round prospects that got taken. You know for sure. So take him in first rows confidence I. He's. He's going to have a fantastic year Malia asks who has who's more likely to make the final roster brilliant speaks or Dorian oh Daniel. So I think this is gonNA. This is GonNa Surprise I think the answers Dory. No. Daniel Just because the special teams just because of Dave Tope as nothing to do with his linebacker ability although I think you'd be only the fifth linebacker on the Ross. No linebackers they have the four and then they have Doria no Daniel, and then they have a Cobb experience Harris Dairies here's the most experienced linebacker behind Daniel until last week was a manual Smith and he got cut. And so now it's Guys that will if. If they make that I'll be surprised. I think it's I. Think it's Dory. Know denotes purely because a special teams and because there is legitimate competition at the edge position for speaks yeah, there's legitimate competition but he showed up in shape he showed up looking good. We talked about it a little bit last week that he looks a lot better from a body standpoint. I think that they are not going to give up a cost control defensive end especially in a room that lacking a lot of defensive ends at beyond this year I think they give them another shot I. Think that he's got more of a half to seeing the field than Doreen. No. Daniel. Does during her daniels now been through two different organizations during Oh. Daniel has been the most athletic linebacker for two years and could not see the field when the chiefs were getting hooked on the second level by speed and athleticism he couldn't get on the field. It just wasn't clicking for him. I think that they keep speaks they've got a little more invested in speaks I think they can move on from Dory Know Daniel and not have anybody really kind of blink an eye at it. I think it's brilliant speaks pretty easily as well. If you're GONNA, give one of these guys just based on the very little that we've seen if you're gonNA give one of these guys the benefit of the doubt that this is the year they turn around speak showed up in shape. Seems like he looks pretty good. He's worked in with the first and second team a lot more often than it seems like Toyota Daniel has. Daniels surpassed the depth chart by Ben Niemann at the weakside linebacker spot Damian Wilson last year at the weakside linebacker spot I'm not to I would struggle to say that Willie Gay would probably get a shot the start it will before Doisneau Daniel would and then like if you're talking about your final linebacking your fifth linebacker right now, I don't think that they would keep Daniel over dairy Harris purely linebacker because Harris I think has shown a little bit more to maybe play. The. Mike. I think. As he was getting some reps this past camp that we saw during the annual could only play one position that linebacker group and he's like the fifth guy you allow safeties to that role he's like the fifth guy in line there. So I just don't know where you put him his one threat of hope Dave tobe the short shorts and the special teams play but I just don't think there's any chance of Bruin speaks doesn't get this on this roster Dave Tobe has way too much poll. Bt in KC named one player that does it make the fifty three this year that completely catches you off guard. No Pun intended. This is this is kind of hard but I'll go talk oh Charleston. especially with the news. Today from James Palmer tonight I guess I should say from James Palmer that tertia wharton is almost Ayla lock for the fifty three I think that we kind of expected that maybe the chiefs would carry an extra defensive end and you know just kind of patch it up on the middle there with Mike pinellas absence two games, Tur- Sean Wharton. Making. The team. He would be the fourth defensive tackle. Don't read what the chiefs had published there. He's not two hundred and fifty five pounds we saw on. Saturday. He looks much heavier. Than the other two, hundred and fifty five pounders that are standing around him I think he's going to be the fourth defensive tackle of he's eight o'clock to make the roster. I think that means I gotta try defense event. If they have to trim defensive end I think it comes down to speaks TACO or OKEAFOR okeafor they already restructured his contract I think they're going to stick with him there. So it speaks TACO and based on the previous question that we just answered there. I think Taco might be the odd man out. I got hard because I think the chiefs rosters relatively easy to predict down to about the last four guys maybe, and so if it's my last four guys coming in, it's not GonNa, completely catch me off guard if any one of the four that I put in, make it or don't. So a guide the I think I feel pretty safe about right now would be Tajik Thompson I. Think if Thompson doesn't make this team especially based on what we saw on Saturday and how they`re Using him and just the fact that his confrontations are money Watts Adrian Colbert Rodney Clemens who just doesn't seem like he's getting that much love coming out of camp. It just seemed like there's anybody standing in the way of him making the team and I don't love to enter Thompson I've just kind of it looks like he should definitely make the roster as the fourth safety right now and if he doesn't that would kinda shocked me based on everything we've seen from the unit the twos are going to be in some weird roster crunches because they they might keep ten offensive line would be somebody that they might have to keep a lot offensive line to So you gotta find ways to find places to make sacrifices I wonder Darwin Thompson. I wouldn't be stunned by really anybody not making. A player that doesn't make fifty three this year that completely catch you off guard I don't anticipate that happening but Darwin thompsons a guy I could see. Maybe. He's a trade candidate frankly maybe he's a guy that they move on from because I don't know how much you know how valuable he is this football team. T. E.. R. O. Three do the chiefs wait until week six or so to sign Jon Davie cloudy for about eight to ten million for the rest of the season matty. He's available week six I think we said, yeah, he's available week six. You're signing him to like four million dollars because he's just simply not at that point in time he has no leverage anymore unless you have an injury, he has no leverage I feel like that it's what he's waiting for. I just don't even know teams are going to be chomping at the bit and bring him in to cover for an injury especially with an expensive contract. Me You sign cloudy right now for eight to ten million dollars albeit I. think that's what good teams WanNa pay him. He's a turn down sixty million dollars from bad teams or more. He should've taken that. If he wanted money if he was a play for a good team, he's going to have to settle I think single digits and I would do it. Now you wait till midseason cut that in half. The clan maclean ask the over under on Jodi Fortson, offensive stats at two hundred and fifty yards in two touchdowns. These guys bay I think already answered the question earlier in the week. So I'm just gonNA take this one. Give me the under. The comfortable under I. Don't think he's making the football team. I just I don't see. It's just like are we going to get the cheese cutting Byron pringle to keep Jodi Fortson like who are they cutting to keep Jodi Fortson to? And who is Dave job giving up to keep Jodi, for it's like I don't think we saw Jodi forcing play any special teams in that case in that practice like maybe they're playing coy with them. Maybe they're maybe they're pulling billy a bill gay Mattie. I. Don't know. But give me the under on that Don beale thirty two. As draft guys, how do you quantify as? A draft class contributors out of every player drafted a couple of SCART stars to cancel out the SCRUBS. What do you think Matti? So when you look at draft prospects, we assigned grades them for the case draft guide you kind of have a rubric for high you're signing these great. So if you've got a guy graded as a top pick, he should come in and pretty much be a high level starter right away in his first year. If you get to the end of his rookie contract in this guy, isn't a perennial pro bowler and he's not pushing for all pros like I think that a top. Ten grade would be incorrect. So if you took a guy the top ten I don't know you can really call that a hit like you have great first round second round all the way down you kind of look through draft class. If the guys you took in their selected spots, fit your criteria of what you've assigned to that area they if the majority of Hit, that's a successful draft class. Now, obviously some guys like Patrick mahomes being the best quarterback of all time it doesn't matter where you picked them and it doesn't matter what you did that draft or the next drafts into use the pick from the following. Like does two drafts are complete successes because Patrick mahomes completely blows away whatever you would else you would have gotten we know with the tenth overall pick value, but there's a rubric that we use. It says what we think each area of the draft is worth if a player meets that criteria, he's hit, you get more hits than misses accessible. You you heard it here. First, Maddie thinks the twenty eighteen draft class is a success because they use their first round draft pick to draft Patrick Mahomes. Before I will die on that he'll dared naughty Patrick mahomes lead draft class you're telling me that's bad. No you will never get me to say the Derek Nadia Bedser I will I will defend that into the death. Yeah it's basically you know. Obviously if you've got a first round draft, pick you want to see early production out of the player. You want to see him rotated into his particular position group quickly and you WANNA see him get the lion's share of the snaps like Clyde. Edwards. Hilar- this in this year, you are hoping that he's going to be rb one right from the get go and his entire rookie camp you know. Entire rookie contract. He's basically going to have success being the chiefs are rb one now Willy Gay Junior Won- Thornhill, McColl Hartman you move back a little bit. I have to have the immediate impact. Obviously, it's great. When that happens wants want hills at massive success because of that and the keep scaling back every round rotational guys in the third round are great or guys that are going to redshirt like Luke Maye. That's great. You know get those guys in the future there. You're trying to maximize your rookie deals as much as possible with every round back. Basically I kind of reduced the expectations about how much that player complained whether or not they're making the roster. I kinda grade on a curve some time because I do like. I do I don't WanNA blame teams for some of the injury as issues that happen like I think there's a difference good process in bad process and there's some teams that have bad process and bad results and there are some teams that have good processes sometimes have some bad luck. There's some good football players that some circumstances. Are Excusable. But largely I. Think if you're getting you know saw I. If if you're you know day one and day two picks or reaching their expectations. Successful draft if you're if you're getting a guy day three. Getting one guy to hit on day three. I think that's a good draft. That's that's probably the structure for me I I. DO agree with Kit I think your top picks in the top ninety top one hundred definitely have a little bit higher weight like it's not good to miss on your first three picks and then hit on three day three draft picks that are a backup player in two special teams players like that doesn't account or make up for if you miss on your first. Day Three Pixel useless and she always trade them for veteran players but like. Yeah, you have to wait it towards the guys in the front guys at actually changed the game or significant I also think it's worth noting to. The undrafted free agents giving the demon that comes into no matter how much we don't love him as a player. The fact that he can come in from a draft class, get on the field and play productive special team reps matters, and now the fact that he's at least able to eat up reps as a starter like that does make a worthwhile addition to the draft class. You just have to gauge it based on where they went undrafted free agent eats up starting or rotational reps like that does help a draft class look better. Oh absolutely one hundred percent. That's why I love Hashtag lottery tickets. All right. That is going to do it for the Monday mailbag edition. Thank you guys so much for listening. Make sure you are checking out the Arrowhead Pride podcast channels so much going on all the time we'll be back on Wednesday.

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BGN Radio #15: Eagles-Panthers Preview Extravaganza

Bleeding Green Nation

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BGN Radio #15: Eagles-Panthers Preview Extravaganza

"Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. Of you. Listen. And welcome back to another edition of be d. n. radio, this is episode number fifteen and hearing my voice John Stolnis and you can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. That must mean that you're getting another eagles preview podcast here and joining me as he does every week for the eagles per preview is the great Brandon league out in from bleeding green dot com. G. how you doing buddy John and the words of Benjamin select Everyday's a great day to be alive. BGN radio is up to four hundred eighty three ratings on itunes, which is very cool. Let's get to five hundred. There were so close and we to one ninety one customer reviews. So we're almost at two hundred there. So let's give that up to two hundred. That's pretty awesome. Things are going well. Eagles won last week John. That's that's pretty good. Good. Now I've takes you a lotta takes, so let's get to it. Let's take it up here. Absolutely. And I'll be giving my pick at the end of the of the podcast, but I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna alert everybody to it. Now I will be picking against the eagles this week because I am oh and six in picking eagles games this year. Missed everyone haven't really been closed on any of them. So we're just going across the board, be LG the rest of the year I am. I'm picking against the birds every single week. I just think that's only fair to everybody else. You know, I just to kinda give everybody give this team is shot. You know the needed it and it worked last week. I think they listened to this episode last week's episode of radio, especially on the short week. I know this week they didn't a lot of time between the Vikings lost and the giants game, but I'm sure they snuck that in there and they're like, hey, we have to prove John wrong once again and they did to their credit now. I mean, sometimes you get you gotta have a villain to rally around as a team, and I get that. You know what I mean? Like I know in hoosiers coach Dale was that guy for a little while you had to rally somebody had to rally around against you on the Bill Belichick of the eagle. You know, you guy, you're gonna hate. You're going to hate me, but you're gonna play for me also. That's just, I guess, if if that's the role I've been thrust into here, then I guess that's what we'll do, but we are here to preview eagles versus Panthers a big game and other big game coming up on Sunday afternoon before we get into that first of all, just a reminder to everyone to subscribe to the bleeding green Asian podcast feed. Don't forget to do that. You get the Kristen Solex show those guys kill it. Every single episode g. man, they just turn out one fantastic show after another. Then you hear Brandon. I hear Brandon on some other podcasts on the bleeding. Green podcast feed as well as well as all of the mid week, coaches, news, conferences, and all that kind of stuff. So make sure you're getting everything by by subscribing to the bleeding green nation podcast feed. And like Brandon said those ratings and those views on apple podcasts really do help out the podcast five stars. All you can do five stars. It's it eight to be the bear, the bad news, but five star ratings are all that are allowed now on apple podcasts. All right. Let's talk about eagles Panthers here g and obviously this is a rematch last year. The location is different where changing scenes from Carolina to Philadelphia. Last year, the eagles went down to Carolina and beat the Panthers twenty eight to twenty three in what I really felt at the time LJ. And I think the team said it too was a statement game. I think they really felt like that was the game where they realized they were for real, that this was a really good team that this team had a chance to do something special. They went into a tough place to play against a good quarterback against a good defense. Carson Wentz didn't have a stellar night when you look at completion percentage sixteen of thirty, but he threw for two hundred twenty two yards had three touchdowns. Zakar said two of those touchdown catches. They did a good job on Cam Newton that night twenty eight fifty two to thirty nine yards touchdown three interceptions. They did let him rush for seventy one yards in touchdown, but the defense played well against him, sacked him twice with sacked three times. This was a game b. l. g. where you know, this was the eagles going down. Into Carolina against a quality opponent, a potential playoff team and surviving in a really a battle against team. That was that was pretty good at the time everyone member going into that game was thinking, oh man, the Panthers are pretty good here. This can be a really tough game for the eagles going into that game. The did not have lane Johnson. He was out because short week and I think he had a concussion. So he wasn't going to play. Obviously, it was too quick of a turnaround and the eagles were also potentially missing your Cox that game because he had gotten hurt in the giants game in week three. And it wasn't looking like he was going to be able to play. Don't think he really practiced in a way that would make you think he was gonna play in that game. And all of a sudden it almost reminded me of last week's Thursday night game with kinda a little bit how like, oh, you're you're waking up in the morning. You're hearing in Rappaport, say lane Johnson, probably not gonna play tonight against the giants. He's wrong. Once again, by the way in Rappaport once again, and then it kind of just reminded me of that. And then all of a sudden those actually Frederick. Is gonna play against the Panthers on Thursday night football in he had a huge game. I mean, he, he is a big reason why Cam Newton threw three interceptions in that game end did not have a really good game a passer because he was just wrecking things up front end. I just think that whole game, as you said, John was a big, it was a turning point in the season. It was. It wasn't. I mean, obviously, you look back and you think about the giants game at Gilliat field goal, but a lot of even the coaches that he was Corey online and some of the players were talking about that panther's game is when they started to know it was legit because you know it was primetime Thursday night football, the whole the is watching. That's really when the Harsono went buzz started to know the the stats and look so pretty there with only sixteen thirty, but he made really big throws in that game touchdown, Thursday, huge. He had some crucial third down conversions as well like that. That's when the winds MVP buzz really started to build their that was where last year's team really took off. So I don't know if there's a parallel to that this year. I kind of felt like maybe, you know, last week's game could have been the. Turning point, but this will certainly be the game that they can build on that and improve that. Okay. The Indus go out and beat a terrible giants team. I mean, they are terrible, but it was more than that. So that's what they have at stake this week. Yeah. And the Panthers have been up and down this year. They lost the Redskins last week twenty three to seventeen kind of sloppy loss in in DC and the Panthers have not been a particularly impressive three and two team here in the early going. But just again, looking quickly back at last year, Carson Wentz had to make so many plays because the penalties. L. g. twenty. They were assessed penalties for one hundred twenty six yards. The Panthers had one penalty called on them in that game for one ridiculous. That doesn't seem possible LG how that could have possibly happened. It was the first time in NFL history. There was ever a penalty disparity that big like people complain about the refs too much in general and it's easy to do. We get it. I think we're all guilty of that times. But in that case, literally had a case because this had never happened before in NFL history. It was so one side and and not just one sided in a way where it shows up in the stat sheet. But when you were watching the game, like every time the eagles made a big play. I think Rodney McLeod had an interception in that game. Wiped out by penalty. There might have been another pick or it just felt like every time the we're going to break that game open. Because if you look at the stats on the yardage and everything in that game, the really outplayed the Panthers by that game was not as close with the final score indicated. And to me, it sounds. Weird. I think I've said this before, but this week almost feels like a revenge game to me. I mean, I know that eagles beat the Panthers. So that sounds silly, but I just think they beat them in a way last year that wasn't as satisfying as it should have been. I remember being so angry towards the end of that game because I was like, they don't lose this if they don't win this game, like it's it's, it's it's a crime because they outplayed the team. They absolutely deserve to win and to their, you know, a very, it was a testament to the eagles team last year that they were able to win in spite of the refs and they beat the refs end. They beat the Panthers alpine out to do that this time around. But last year was so bad and it wasn't just one bad game. 'cause like bad games happen, I get it human error that rafts, whatever. But people rally specifically, you look back at the last four games with him and his crew calling eagles games and the disparity between the eagles penalties. It's five to one. It's five to one ratio like, what is that? How does that not get looked at by the league? How does it not get looked at by the league? And is. How it almost seems impossible that that would be that fluky you know that it would that it would be an accident that something like that would happen. And we can't sit here and say, Peter Morelli is fixing games that the eagles don't win or anything like that. I'm not. We're not saying something like that necessarily, but you know, you also mentioned in a piece for bleeding, greenish dot com. And I wanted to talk to you about this this week. Is that the the guy who's refereeing the game this week of Lagan. Okay. Yeah. The eagles have had very good success when Blake men is a referee is that is this a thing that certain referees call games differently for certain teams? Or is this just kind of a fun fluky thing to talk about? Because it doesn't seem like if it was anything other than a fluke, it wouldn't be allowed for me. My crazy conspiracy theory is that the NFL is over correcting. Are there the corrected for last year? It's like nobody screw last year. We kinda need to fix that and give them the rep that's favorable to them. Of course, that's probably not actually at, but you look at the numbers here are nine and one in these games officiated by Clete. Blake men. The penalty disparity is fifty times for three hundred seventy seven yards compared to seventy one for five eighty eight. So the difference of fifteen penalties there and just a little bit over two hundred yards. And when you look at eagles home games because that's something I think that's significant. I think right there studies about how referees calling home games are not even. Just not even intentionally, but just subconsciously you have that natural bias because you're there in that stadium. You have all these fans booing at you. If you make a bad call, you're, you're not gonna. Wanna make bad. 'cause all game long. It's just naturally. You're not gonna wanna do that. I mean, you have to do your job and hopefully the ref is going to make the call regardless of what the crowds going to do. That's what the ref should do. Of course, but I'm just saying naturally, it's going to happen where there's probably at the very least gonna be a slight favor to the home team. And so you look at the clear like men home games for the eagles, and it's even a greater disparity in the you'll saver is fifteen pounds for hundred and twenty seven yards against the eagles compared to thirty two penalties and two hundred eighty seven yards. So double up more than double in those cases for the opponent. So that's that's a big thing. And in those games, the eagles have outscored their opponents by one hundred twenty nine forty eight. So that's an average margin of victory by more than twenty points. So I don't know what it is. I don't know if cl-. Blake men is needles fan. Apparently. He's from Nebraska to look where refs are from Tennessee. If they have some local connection, I don't. You know, I don't think there's any natural eagles connection there. I was on WIP this week and they had kinda pointed out something that I even seen was that clear, Blake man throws fewer penalty flags than compared to other ref. Like, he's, he's at the bottom end when it comes to be in flag happy. So maybe that's it. Maybe he's just not a flag, happy ref, and it kinda works out or heels can kinda display their game in that after worry about the penalties as much, you know, just let him play as if you will. But it's interesting and I don't think that's totally insignificant to me. No, while it certainly isn't. I mean, there's obviously a track record here. I just I struggle. I struggle to think about how that information can be out there in the NFL doesn't pull Clete aside and say, what's the deal with these numbers? You know, erected this weekend. Maybe, yeah, maybe there's an over correction, but got hope not. But it's just that when I saw that this week, it just dawned on me how ridiculous that is, but it's real. I mean, the numbers, bear it out. We're talking about ten games here. I mean, this is not small sample size at that point. So it's definitely it's definitely an interesting subplot here to the game on Sunday afternoon. Let's take a look at the injury report here. Real quick Beal jury. It'd be g and it doesn't look like as if we're going to see Darren sproles again this week, he apparently is dealing with the hamstring from hell. It will not ever. He'll insist. He's been out since week one with this hamstring and I know that hamstrings can be iffy l. I know that they can be a little bit a little bit tough to recover from. You can feel like you're, you're doing real well, and then you don't. You can have a setback and all of a sudden you're out for a couple of weeks here, but are we getting to a point where we really just can't count on Darren sproles at all here in two thousand McKay so far? I mean, like you just said in it's weird. We didn't even get hurt again. Like apparently early didn't seem that way because he, I don't remember him leaving the falcons game early, and I think he practiced now on like the Wednesday after that game leading up to their week, two game against the bucks. And then on Thursday, I think it was. He tweaked his hamstring in practice, and then he just hasn't been able to practice since it's very bizarre. One of those rare kind of practice injuries that happened throughout the season. We saw that with the Shaun Watson last year retorted ACO's terrible, not the same extent here, but sometimes those things kinda just pop up. And I mean, you know, during older. So this is probably something that you're going to naturally the risk that you run in bringing this older player back into shame. I think we've said all along that not having him is still bad. I think there's a weird sentiment out there that the just don't need them at all. And I don't like that because I mean they're down to their running back situation isn't like the best ever. I mean, the the really down to two guys, they can trust and Wendell small it, who's your fourth? I mean, thank goodness. For window was bizarre thing and say, and even still. Yeah. And still I don't trust him. You saw the fumble last in? I don't think people would last week either if that fumble was recovered by the giants. Right. I think because he recovered it like there's a lot more trust in him and that shouldn't change it. He fumbled it was a Bamble. He got lucky in recovered, but that doesn't change is reliability. Ultimately, it's not like Ali made up for it. I mean, these got lucky on the bounce back to him. So point being that I just don't think you can trust him enough over the full course of the rest of the season to have him be the guy like, oh, we don't need Darren sproles and even on the return game like, look, I loved the Andre Carter. I'm probably one of his biggest fans out there, and he's been great returns, and I wanna keep seeing really. But like Darren sproles is not a slouch as a pretender. So if he comes back and get some of those opportunities and he's not doing anything with them, then yeah, then I'm going to be frustrated. But I mean, he's still a good player and it's frustrating that he isn't here and hopefully I mean, maybe we see him after the bye. At this point because he's not practicing Howard Eskin speaking people who were wrong said that sproles might return this week in. It hasn't been the case. So maybe next week I don't know in London. I'm not gonna count on that. So I'm gonna guess maybe after the bye. Yeah, it doesn't make sense that he would go all the way to London to play to play game. If he hasn't been able to suit up in any of these last few weeks, we'll just give him that week. Give him the by week and then see if see if the CF the guy can't can't recover from the hamstring after the bye week I agree with you and I, I do find it. Interesting. I really thought the fact that the eagles played last Thursday night and they had essentially what ten eleven days between games that this would have been. If they were going to trade for a running back that this would have been the the smartest time to go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade even if it wasn't for lady on bell, you know, even if it was for somebody a little bit more minor so that you had more time in between games to get somebody acclimated for this game against the Panthers and so far, the eagles have continued to stay quiet on the trade front. I know it's still a little bit of time left before the trade deadline is officially here, but I, I would have thought that this would have been a good time to do it. You could. Have those extra days in order to get somebody up to speed on the playbook, and maybe you know, get them on the field right away and it didn't happen this week, Beal g. is, you know, are they do you think that they feel like they are okay at running back Corey, Clement is and and Wendell Smallwood are telling how he Roseman they don't need anybody. But I think we both agree that they certainly could use another back. I think it's a case of deadline, Spurs action is it's a cliche, but I think that's just what we see so much in the NFL where things come down to the wire. The trade deadline is at four PM in just under two weeks on October thirtieth. So that will actually be during the bye week there. They played the Jaguars on the twenty eighth, and then they'll be off on the Sunday, the fourth of November. So they'll have that whole by week. There was kind of nice because then you can trade for that players you can use that we ought to kind of incorporate them. So that could be kind of cool if they, if they do make a move closer. To that. You know, there's some interesting rumors out there were seeing Amari Cooper name thrown around now. I think that's that's an interesting possibility just because the raiders are clearly a disaster. I think maybe you can get him probably at a better price reasonably should be able to as we saw the Khalil Mack trade. So there's still some hostilities out there. But to me, I've done some radio hits this week in people are like who they don't trade for it, and I don't know because that's the thing you look at last year's trade deadline. No-one had them trading for j. j. known even knew he was on the block, like right came into nowhere. So I, if if I'm gonna say I expect something, it's that I expect to be surprised and for how to make a move and probably trade for a player that somehow we have already thrown out there yet at seems hard to believe because I think we've thrown just about everybody out there heard just about every every running back under the sun named as a potential trade target here over the last couple of weeks. But you. Might be right. It might be somebody that we are not expecting at all, and you know, hey, listen, if the eagles can manage the next couple of weeks with what they have and and make deal closer to the deadline that ends up being for a better player or for better lesser compensation than they would have given up if they done it now than okay, great. But you know, just seems to me like maybe we have a little bit of a missed opportunity here during this during this long break in between. But now he rose knows what he's doing. So we'll see how that all works out whether or not the ad anybody, and frankly, they're thin other positions as well. Running back is not the only position they could look to add. We saw that Corey Coleman is kind of Coleman. Jeez, Corey Nelson did not practice this week Nelson, either Corey, Graham, Corey spiel, Jesus, Tim earlier today, and they're all CO r. e. y. two. I know our why. Earlier today I looked at the looked at the report and Bill, he'll tell you this, and I panicked because I. I thought just in my mind, I, I read Corey, Corey, Graham is Corey Clement, and and I was like, I thought, oh crap. Corey Clement isn't practicing. We don't have Clement or we don't. We don't have sproles and be LG talk me off the ledge which which was good. But anyway, the the eagles are short in a couple of different places with Russell Douglas, not practicing Thursday, although you, you mentioned that it looks like that's not necessarily injury related that there's some bereavement situation with him. He posted on Instagram, his grandmother passed away, which is obviously very sad and hopefully Scott to reveal hope. Everything goes well, I guess I'm guessing we'll be back. You know, he's he's obviously hurt and usually need them because the secondary is very thin right now. And I mean, he could potentially. I don't think it's going to be this way and I guess we can get into this year. But I mean, you know, last week when Sidney Jones got hurt and Corey, Graham isn't playing obviously Rhonda mcleod's on I r resumed Douglas's back there, playing safety with von Dame outta up in the slot and g. Mills on the outside, and now you have Jalen mills getting added to the injury report today with limited the hamstring issue. Hopefully that's not serious will see on Friday what becomes of that. But man than if he's out than basically you're starting, you have to start little in the side of that point. You're probably putting Dexter McDougal the team resigned this week at the slot, and then you have Mattis back a safety. So I mean, really just so maybe we're talking trades and stuff there. I mean, there's a defensive back to be had out there again, maybe raiders karl-josef I don't know, but it's it's, you know, it's not looking pregnant, the secondary, they're thin at defensive tackle to now with this on on I r I mean, so I mean, is it is there roster a little bit off kilter right now? Do they have too many wide receivers into many offensive lineman right now? Do they maybe need to shed a wide receiver? Do they maybe need to get rid of chance, warm MAC in order to get somebody out? I mean, not shedding chance. Also save you some cap money as well. But. You know, just to get some more help at these positions on the defensive side of the ball where they, they are one or two injuries away from being in in a really, really bad place holiday, not limited again today on Thursday, so that I, I don't know if he plays at that point. If he can't play, you'll Fletcher Cox and you Trayvon Hester as your two defensive tackles and obviously Brandon Graham, Michael Bennett. These were even using Joe, Josh sweat a little bit on the inside us all. I think friend had some clips of that in the the Vikings game. But like, you know, that's not ideal because it's not just about you can play Fletcher Cox more, and that's great. But the problem with that is you're kind of reducing his effectiveness essentially. Yeah, not in a game which it could be because you're just asking them to play somebody snaps, he could get tired towards the end of the game. Then over the course of the season, we saw that last year, the really banked on having that heavy rotation, and they tried to play him in a manageable amount of snatch where they didn't have to rely on them the whole game. So. They could then do it in the playoffs and then he could be super effective down the stretch in the don't have the luxury of doing that right now because they're just so thin there. Now, one maybe positive sign as we saw TIMMY Jernigan at practice this week, not practicing, but he was on the sideline for the first time and we didn't see that before. So I don't know if that's a, I don't know if that's progress that might not be the original report was that he would be out at the latest till November, but I don't know that time line seems kind of murky. We'll see how that goes. It's worth noting. He's now eligible to come off the non-football injury list because the first six weeks of the season that passed. So now he can start practicing at some point in these next couple of weeks or so. And then the eagles have twenty one days to either activate were shut him down. We'll see what happens with that again. That's not the same as I are a lot. A lot of questions about that just because you activate to journey doesn't mean that counts as one that two guys who can activate off of. I are totally different thing. So. So that's kind of the the good news for looking long-term down the stretch here. You know, we're talking about these positions thin right now. They have some guys that can come off. I r I think Mike Wallace's probably a strong candidate for that, but it's still couple of weeks away, so they're going to either have to make a trade or just kinda really just bunker down and see if they can get through this stretch see of the by week helps. It's gonna be kind of like a little bit of a challenge here. I think they're just, I think they're playing right now is the kind of this be like, hey, let's try to get through it. And I think if it gets worse and if the losses start to come than they might have to a little more desperate, I will. Let's take a look at some of the matchups here j. against the Panthers here. The eagles come in with a three and three record and looking to gain some momentum after their big thirty, four to thirteen win over the giants on Thursday night football last week, Carolina comes into the game number eleven, and total Devia way ahead of the eagles who are at step number seventeen. Offensively Carolina is twelve. The eagles are nineteenth defensively. Phillies better than Carolina. Eleventh to the Panthers twenty first. And really when you're talking about playing the Carolina Panthers, the guy you focus in on his Cam Newton, there's just really they have other players on that team. McCaffrey's a good player Kevin. Benjamin's. A good player. Greg Olsen of course, is a good player, but you know, you've got Cam Newton, he's the guy that you have to shut down and I saw Ron, Joe Warsi tweet this tweet this stat out. Looking back at last week talking about how much how important it is for the eagles to get pressure on Newton when he had a clean snap last, a clean pocket. Last week. Thirty four snaps had a seventy five percent completion rate two touchdowns and a one seventeen passer rating when he was under duress. He had a two point, seven passer rating twenty eight percent completion rate. One interception in one sec and listen, everybody's numbers are going to be down when they're under pressure as opposed to having a clean pocket ninety nine times out of one hundred. Nevertheless, that's a stark difference. And so the key to the game seems. To me getting the eagles edge rushers against a couple of backup offense of tackles for Carolina to for those guys to have a lot of success getting into Cam Newton, and then for the guys in the middle to prevent Cam Newton from being able to escape the pocket running lanes up through the middle, they can do that and pressure Cam Newton force him into mistakes, force them into Saks. The eagles will have a stranglehold on this game. What do you think? Again, I go back to what the did last year with Fletcher. Cox speaking such a key cog in get really just getting in camps face, you know, get pushing the pocket in creating that interior pressure in making him clearly uncomfortable because obviously cams mobile. But when you get into his face like that and you're forcing him to kind of run out and knocking him off his spot, then he kinda you at least a little bit, you know, disrupt the timing of the offense and kind of throw the Deepak concepts and everything off kilter there. So, and that's what they did last year. And then it's not just about getting him on the ground and forcing those. Saxon hitting him, but it's forcing him into those bad throws in the as we know he had a couple of those last year acce- throat he threw three interceptions now watching him in that Washington game. I mean that interception ether was horrible. Yeah, look frustrated and he's like, I'm just throwing this thing up like we're off to a terrible start. Whatever is going to throw this thing. So maybe you can get them into a play like that where you're kinda just, you know, your pass stress might not even beginning bring them down on the time, but it's this constantly in his face kind of forces him into a bad decision there. Another big thing with this Panthers offense is that I don't think Christian McCaffrey is that good John. I think he's he such a volume player like the Panthers love to get him the ball. But when you look at his officiency it's just not there, especially as a receiver. I think he's down at like seven yards per reception this year. They keep feeding him, but he and his his biggest runners biggest play eighteen yards. He's not even a big play threat. Like the constantly. He's a poor man, saquon Barkley. They just constantly feed him and he doesn't really do a ton. His rushing officiency is up this year. It's at four point nine. So I guess he's gotten a little bit better as a runner overall, but have really good run defense. So you're not feeling super threatened by that. I think. The the willingness to force feed him the ball so much kind of limits their offense a little bit because that's when they're not taking all these vertical shots does. They're constantly got to the bottom of Catholic guy. The bottom Catholic and I just don't think it really pays off for them like he, I think he's a guy who can handle that workload physically by, don't think it's super awarding for them so and certainly wasn't last year. I mean, Nigel, Brad owned Christian. They have like a billion tackles in that game. He would not let him do anything. McCaffrey average, his again is a fishing see was so bad in that game. He had a bunch of receptions in the bunch of carries, but he wasn't doing anything with them. So if the Panthers come in here with the same game plan for this game, if they're feeding McCaffrey over and over, hey, I am fine with that. I will take it. Yeah, because they don't. They don't go down the field very much at all. They don't make the big plays. And we were saying the same thing about the titans member in our titans preview. And then the titans ended up Chuck in the ball down. Field a lot. We saw Marcus mariota, try and stretch the ball down the field a lot and making big plays and the eagles defense the secondary, getting torched in that game. You know, it's just it's, it's one of those things where you on paper and looking at what they've done so far. They haven't done it very much this year. The Panthers haven't been able to to get the ball downfield very much in the eagles have been susceptible to the big play, but they do have Kelvin Benjamin who who can who can not show me big Plon Devon sizes, similar player, your buffalo was with Carolina, getting my getting. My name's mixed up in my head. Sorry player to like these big flow guys who aren't fast increase separation there big. Yep, no, absolutely. And so that's obviously a guy the eagles are going to have to keep an eye on. But again, if they can keep, if they can keep everything in front of them that that really plays to their strengths. Now the Panthers do a lot of confusing things on offense because they have a mobile quarterback because they have really their best rusher is Cam Newton and so they they can use him in a lot of different ways, a lot of triple option stuff. And what's going to be the key for this team is to also like they were last year last year, the eagles. A very disciplined defence a very strong tackling defense, and they're going to need to continue to do that this week. If if Carolina's not going to stretch the ball down the field and they're going to try and create confusion at the line of scrimmage and try and trick the eagles as far as where the ball is going, who's got it. So that's going to be a key as well as the eagles to try and maintain discipline. And when they find out where the ball is going and if it's in Cam Newton's to wrap them up, yes, going to be tough. I mean, I don't think you really shutdown came as runner. He's gonna get his, he's he's so good. Like, what can you do? He's so big and physical that even if you have things lined up, sometimes he's just gonna. He's going to get yardage anyway because he can stiff arm you or you can just kinda run through you. So I think the way to kind of approach is to kind of just hope to contain him. Don't let him run seventy arts down the field on the kind of keep him if he's getting first downs or getting these these short gains. I mean, it's just they're going to happen and you're going to have to try to contain it and try to really key in on that and the red zone. So he's not running for touchdowns. I think you know, you can talk about a spy and everything, and I'm sure they'll do that. Sometimes I think one of the keys to to defending this is hitting him. He's in the pocket. You basically can't hit him as we've seen with these Michael Bennett penalties. In the past couple of weeks here does not much you can do to hit the quarterback on the pocket. But once he takes off and he's beyond, you know, he's running around and for certainly when he's beyond the line of scrimmage there, I mean, you can hit them so hit him hard. You know, he's not sliding and he's in the open field there, hit him and make him regret taking off or or wear him down is a big body. It's not going to be easy, but like put a toll on him. So I think that's something the Ingles really did. Well, last year I think about the forty Niners game when they were killing siege a better and obviously CJ Beathard Cam Newton, not similar quarterbacks and body frame and many other things. But the principal there just like him if he's gonna take off and he's going to run, hit him hard and kinda make them think twice about it or making regretted or make him tired, like where amount. So he can't run. His mutt. So that's they got, they got into a better job against him than they did against Mary oatmeal, for sure. I think it comes onto the key situations to that's where Mary is really killing the eagles there is, you know they need, they would need the stop, but that's at the same time like that's when they're at their toughest because you can make your playing your coverage gray you ever been covered and then he it's harder to help for the quarterback. So or you can make a play. Mariota did. So it's tough. It's not going to be easy. I don't think it's one of those things where you know you just come in and you, you can just easily shut it down. I think Cam is going to get his, you're not gonna stop him, just kinda about containing him. Let's talk about Carson Wentz because last week he had his best game of the season since coming back from his from his knee injury and I, it's really it's a, it's a relief that he has come back playing so well, but he was just absolutely unbelievable. Some of the throws he's made this year have truly been terrific. I think his pocket awareness was improved more last week, and I think we knew that that would be something that would get better. But as the season role rolled along as he got more game action, he didn't have any preseason games. He missed the first couple of games of the season as well. And we saw Carson Wentz be the guy. He was last year and you know nobody's talking about Carson Wentz right now this year in football. It's all Patrick Mahomes and Jared, Goff and couple of these other guys in Carson Wentz just kind of laying in the weeds just kind of in the background and you know, trying to get his team back on track. A lot of it is because the eagles offense has struggled to put some points on the board. But you know, Wentz his is playing as well as he did last year. And you know, I think there's a lot of people out there that because of what Mahomes is doing and make no doubt about it. Mahomes has been phenomenal this year for the chiefs, and he looks like he looks like he's the leading contender for MVP right now. And Jared Goff has a phenomenal team around him in Los Angeles with the Rams. But you know. When you're talking about all three of these guys, I still want winces. My guy Beal g especially over Mahomes who has again has all the tools has looked phenomenal, but has the track record right now. I mean, Mahomes is I think going to last, but we've seen guys have streaks like this and then not be able to to to follow it up to that it Peters out. Again, I don't think that's gonna be the case here with Mahomes and with GOP. I think you look at once you look at golf winces more of a playmaker than God is. So I think that's the difference between these three guys and a lot of a lot of the league and fans get so caught up in the flavor of the month of the flavor of the moment. And right now that is Mahomes and Wentz just content. I think just sit back there and say yet, guys, go ahead and forget about me, you know, and we'll, we'll run to the division title and we'll see who does what in the playoffs. We also come to recency by a specialty comes down to openly. Number Evans, Silva had a poll a couple of weeks ago that he put out there after the bills upset the Vikings that was like, who would you rather. Have Josh Allen or Mitchell Trubisky. And of course it was like eighty percent, you know, Josh Allen in twenty percent. Trubisky Trubisky also had a bad game that week believe and the next week it was the, you know, the bears, blah the the buccaneers and the bills lose and Josh Allen looks terrible. And Evan silver runs the same poll and it's like the reverse results. So it's just like it's a, we always joke. It's like a week to week league very football thing to say, but it is in terms of at least our perception allow the time in Armenian. Just the general observer fan. And you know, I was looking at this fame poll survey survey, the espionage in put out and they did the which young quarterback would you take for the next ten years? And Mahomes is fifty five. He's the leader and I don't think anything bad to say about Patrick Mahomes. I love watching the guy. He's great voices, weird, but that's fine. He can run around e. His arm is incredible. I think that like things like that can get a little bit overplayed. Sometimes. Or overstated, but it's not with him like he just makes them incredible throws, but also, you know, Carson Wentz is really good. As you said, he's having a great year and, and here's the other thing. Okay. Give me an offense with Carson Wentz entire e hill and cry, like. That because Carson. I'm dealing with anything close to that right now with all due respect to guys like all Sean, Jeffrey in Zakho. It's and Nelson Adler who had a better game last week. I mean in Corey Clement like it's not the same. Like tyreek hill is the best vertical threaten the game. He is so fast. You can't even defend him and Kareem hunt to one of the better running back simile and Travis. Kelsey is an amazingly athletic tight end. So I mean, I'm not trying to say Mahomes as a product of a system like Dak. I think it's more than that. He is clearly more talented than deck and by the way, love how Dax not included in this poll at all. He's communist. Anymore, and he shouldn't be. I just love that. Very good. I think with Gough it's like, I don't want to say he's a system quarterback, but at the same time, like I'm trying to think like, what's your confidence level that he still going to be this great or even really great if he's being coached by, say, you know, like an average coach, who do you wanna throw out there north north Turney. Or whoever, like just general replacement level coats, what is your confidence that he's still going to be really good. 'cause to me, it's not high 'cause I don't. I don't. What is Jared Goff doing by himself that I'm supposed to be so impressed by an so fearful of? No, he's made some nice throws. He's got great happy. I'm not saying he's a good. I don't think he is like on easily. And I think with Carson, you have confidence that he can excel outside of just the scheme because he makes so many plays on his own. It's just you saw it last weekend's, the giants. I mean, how many quarterbacks can have the awareness to escape from the pocket at just the right time, then roll out all the way to the right and then make throw across their body over linebacker perfectly place it in the back of the end zone to all Sean Duffy. Like only so many quarterbacks can do that man. And so when it comes to Mahomes, there's another relevant quarterback on this list when. We're talking about him and that the Shawn Watson, obviously a really good year last year, but I think he got crowned way too early. He was small sample size, maybe Watson bounces back. His offensive is terrible, but I don't think he necessarily helps offense of line by holding onto the ball that Anna works both ways. So we'll see with Mahomes. I think I do wanna see more before I'm all in and even still, I think it's like naked necklace. Even if this is Mahomes who he is a, you can take him over Carson. That's fine. But I don't think the gap is that big at all. I think it's kinda like, you know, you're, it's one a and one b yet. Both guys are big playmakers both guys and you with Mahomes. You're right. He's got more talent around him in Kansas City than than than than Wentz has. And you know, maybe if Mike Wallace gets back, you have the combination of the receivers improve in Jordan, Mathews your fourth receiver at that point, you know, maybe you've really got now you've got a system in place with Peterson and Winston, all these in the four receivers, Zakar to gonna talk about just a second. He don't. Maybe that's enough, but it's certainly not a. Field stretching talent like like they're like they have in in tyreek hill who is just unbelievable at at getting the ball at getting downfield and making huge plays. But let's talk about Erz for just a minute because through six weeks he leads all tight ends in targets receiving yards. He's got four hundred eighty receiving yards already through six weeks. Second in receptions in the NFL behind Adam feeling with forty eight. He's on pace for one hundred twenty eight catches which would shatter Jason Whitten's record of one hundred. Ten. I know there's a lot of talk about a little bit of talk anyway about whether or not Erz has become the best pass catching tight end in football. I don't think we're quite there yet, but I guess the question I have for you is the best tight end in eagles history right now. For me, the answer's always been Keith Jackson given how given his level of pass catching production in in the late eighties and early nineties under under the Buddy Ryan teams. But I think I think irt says past has has passed Keith Jackson at this point, and I'm not so sure who I would put above him. As far as eagles tight end. Yeah, I think he is definitely going to go down that way and he leaves only twenty seven twenty eight still so young. He him and Wentz can thrive here for for years to come still in. He's in the post on huge numbers in this franchise history. And even I don't know about hall of fame, but I mean, he's it's not out of the question for sure. Now I'm not. So I think it's a really interesting player just because he's not flashy in by any means. He's not. He's not gonna moss someone, you know, like like, well, he doesn't make big plays either be LG. You know what I mean, right? He gets the, he catches the ball and doesn't get you much after that, but he always gets open. That's what he is and what he does is so like he's not a big play guy, and obviously you want big play guys, but he's such a reliable chain mover like how many times I think in it's so easy to take for granted to. They're not flashy plays. They're boring plays, but it's just. Kurt's getting over getting open over the middle in Carson, throws him. I down, like just again in happens multiple times drive after like he keeps moving the chains and there's value credible route. Right. He's incredible. And we saw that in the touchdown last week against the giants. Like he, he just it. It's funny to watching him. 'cause he's not like he's not fast. You know, he's he's not overly fast immediately. There's nothing like incredibly flashy about route running, but it's just like, yes, nuanced in its like technique and refining it in simple, but he just makes it look effortless and it's just really good. And I think it's very easy to take it for granted. And I don't feel like I'm the biggest suckered guy because of that in part because it's not even that fun. Again, he's on his flashy like that substance, the substances they're the flash isn't there, but definitely definitely very, very reliable and important in key player for this team. And I and I do think he is going to go back down and it's not just about the stats and everything you have to consider. Her and maybe underrated in this way. When we think about the Super Bowl, we all think about, obviously, this one VP Nick foles. We all think about branding grams, big play. But I mean, the Acar did catch the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl that huge place even even more important than that catch real, not more important, but as important was that fourth-down catch. Absolutely. So I think he is absolutely going to be, you know, remembered as the best tight end in eagles history, Fisher certainly trending in that direction. Last thing here and let's look at the the offense of lying on against a pretty good Carolina defensive lines and big boys on that defensive line, Julius peppers as there Don tarry PO mareo, Addison, Wes Horton. And last last year, one of the things that really helped out the eagles in the game against Carolina was a lewke going out early in the game with a concussion and. The eagles hadn't scored a touchdown until after he had left the game. Obviously, Keithly is a dynamic linebacker. He can do so many things to make life miserable for opposing offenses. And right now, I think the offensive line. How do you think the offensive line did last week? How did how did lane? Look? I know he was playing through pain lane and Jason Peters. How did they look last week compared to previous weeks overall, I think Carson only got sacked. Actually once hit something like six, it wasn't. It was way down. The pressure was way down from pass weeks, and now the giants have the either the worst or one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL. So that certainly helped. And they quit. Midway way to fairness. They also got Livia Vernon back and he's their best pass rusher. So that's years for that too. And he obviously was he that sack on big so and he was getting pressure on JP. So those challenge a little bit for them. I think it's good. Overall. I feel it's not in total kinda shambles or at least how it kind of felt that way a little bit earlier on here. Tough to gauge again with the giants defense just being so bad, but moving forward, you know, I'm not like freaking out about it as much as I was before. I think they, they have the potential here to get right a little bit and looking at this Carolina front. I mean, you know, they have some big guys as you mentioned up front, but that's not translating to good run defense like they're, they're run defenses. Usually pretty good in years past. Something you can count on with Carolina, especially having that front and then Keithly and Davis. Well, those linebackers, but it hasn't been the case this year. I'm in Washington, had they averaged four point seven yards per carry last week. Adrian Peterson, pretty much, looked unstoppable against them at five point, seven yards per carry. So I think there's they ran a lot. They ran a lot of trap plays against against as Michael. His pointed out and said that the big key to the game this week. So I think the, you know, the not gonna they should not get away from Carson Wentz entirely here by any means or ever, but no could be a game where running the ball, kinda early, maybe often see how it goes. Kinda stick with that. Get Corey. Clement involved here. Hopefully he's not on the pitch count that he kind of was last week in might grow city wasn't, but you look at the numbers suggest that he probably was. So hopefully we get those guys involve this week. I think they will. Yeah. Oh, wait. One more thing, Julius peppers. Eight years old still playing crazy to me. How about that guy? Very. Unbeliev and back with Carolina where he start where you started his career and still still producing. I know I remember when Chicago signed him as a free agent, everybody scoffed at that deal. Because if guys getting old, he's gonna get run down and you know, darn defeated play through that whole contract really well. And now still playing at a high level, what an unbelievable Correze having unbe. He's I'm easy hall of fame around six. Yeah, that into stats. Playing. Right, exactly. All right. Well, we're going to give our picks for this eagles panther's game coming up here in just a few minutes. You already know what I'm gonna do. So really you'll be listening for LG's pick on this one. Let's go over the the NFC east games and because two of the NFC east opponents play each other this week, we'll give you. We'll give you a non NFC east game in here as well. And Brandon will start off in the district of Columbia as the Dallas Cowboys take on Washington Dallas on the road and Washington favored by one point at home. This line kinda surprised me a little bit. I know Dallas had a good week last week putting up forty points, but Washington also had a good week at home beating a very good, a very good, a pretty decent Panthers team. I'm surprised the line isn't at least three, which is normally what a home team gets for for getting for having home field advantage here. I'm kind of leading towards Washington in this one. I think I think Washington wins this football game just because again, I, I don't think one good week of Dallas offense is enough to get excited about, and I think Washington's I think Washington's better team playing at home. What do you? I don't know who we're supposed to be rooting for in this game. It has. Know I just want you for second. I had this exact conversation with my my son who has been born and raised here in Washington DC. And just for full disclosure, he's read saw seven Redskins fan. I'm working on my five year old is a diehard eagles fan. So I've got. I've got one of my guys as an eagles fan. The other one is is a Redskins fan and he does it just to tweet. Okay. It's one of those nails. Yeah. And you have to respect, right. I mean, come on to a degree, but he was asking, who are you rooting for in this game? Daddy. I, I can't root for anybody in this game. He looked like he looked. He was. He was crying. G. like you have to root for the Cowboys are evil. Death says, that's a fair point. Okay, so I guess if I have to root for somebody, it'll be washing. It's it's tough because like Washington three and two, they haven't played a division game yet. So if they win this, they will be four into and they will be one in own the division. They will be head of the eagles by half a game. You know, by nature of having played one fewer game, assuming the eagles way in them. So you know what I'm saying eagles when they're they're foreign three and then Washington would before in to douse would be three and four. And the giants are probably news to the falcons, probably one and six. So that's not terrible. But is that preferable to Dallas winning has Dallas would only be four in three at that point. You know, they're, they don't. You know, they're not only have two losses of the point legal ashington would, but Cowboys would be to own the division and I don't like that. So yeah, I think I feel like routing, it's Washington is. Kind of like what should happen again, just because they have fewer losses and it kind of is that the simple part of it like they, if you're losses, they need another loss. But again, I just I don't want Dallas to get that momentum. I I know wanted to happen so and ultimately, I think Washington's the better team. So I keep going back and forth on this. Take Dallas. I think I want to jinx them. You know, it's, it's my jinx thing with Dallas, and if they lose be happy with it, I think that's what will come down to who's what's going to make me which loss would make me the happiest and it's easily the cowboy loss, right. Even if the Washington loss would Otamendi be better for the eagles. The Cowboys losing will never make me upset. So I think that's one gonna say, okay. All right. Well, I think that's, I think that's fair, and that's kind of where I come down on it to watching watching the Cowboys celebrate is just not something I'd much rather watch Washington celebrate because at least my kids. So you know, at the very at least I kind of fall back on that one. All right. Let's look at that giants. Atlanta game, Atlanta favored by four and a half. This is a Monday night football game giants. Going down to Atlanta and play. The falcons falcons of had a tough year be l. g. they've lost vantera Freeman for the season. He's been placed on the ir, but they have a couple of good running backs in the backfield as well. The falcons just have not been able to get on track after that season opening loss to the eagles. How do you see this planet? I hope the giants. Swin because everyone from here now just really ruins their draft positioning Chan site getting back. I mean, they're done. They're not cutting back obviously from where they are so so I hope they win, but I just, I don't think they will. They're just they're a bad team, and I think the falcons are better than their record indicates another banged up. But I just think they've had a tough schedule. They won last week. They're going to be at home here. It's Monday night football. I don't think they're gonna fall into a trap on national game like that. I think they win and four point five. I mean, look, man. The giants are like, lies washed. They're not scoring the defenses bad. Like I feel comfortable taking that. Yeah, you just, you wonder if this is a game where after so much criticism thrown at Odell Beckham junior last week, it can go one or two ways. Either Odell doesn't show up and doesn't show up for the rest of the season and just kinda shuts it down or if he decides this is going to be an f. you game, and he decides to just take matters into his own ends. But you're right, allies. Gotta get ball and it doesn't seem as though ally knows how to get him or has the physical capabilities of getting him the ball. So I, I agree with you. I think the falcons win this one in a runaway. I think it's a pretty easy win for Atlanta at home on Monday night football. I think they easily clear that four and a half. And let's look at the other game that we want to look at is the New England at Chicago game. This is a Sunday afternoon game. This is a fascinating matchup and we know Chicago has a a much better defense now with Khalil Mack there I heard Bill Belichick was asked about Khalil Mack and asking him to whether or not he compared to Lawrence Taylor, Bella check. Shut that down in a hurry. Basically saying you don't compare anyone to. Lawrence Taylor of which is, I think, totally fair, New England favored by two and a half in the windy city g you like, do you like the patriots too, to win this ballgame more to Chicago? How fighting chance? I mean, the patriots are coming off a wild Sunday night game against the chiefs, a a conference opponent. And you wonder if maybe this might be a letdown game for New England wonder the bears obviously losing in overtime to frigging Brock Osweiler. Let's probably a little motivated the back on track at home this week, but a man. It comes down to it's Tom Brady riches missile Trubisky here and I can't take risky. I just I'm not. I'm not sold on him. I, I like Chicago defense a lot. Even though struggles last week, I still believe in them overall and I don't dislike the bears, but it's just it's Brady over to Bisky in to me, that is just I, I can't. I can't look past that. That is what comes down to for me. Yeah, I want to call this track game. I really do. I wanna. No, you don't believe in trap games, but I wanna call this if you were, if this were any normal team with any normal quarterback? I think I would. I would probably pick Chicago here to to pull off the upset because of the circumstances I mentioned just a minute ago, but I just don't think Tom Brady falls into those different kinds of things. If it is a trap game, it just means it's closer than normal. I would say leave in chap games. I just think they get. I think it's overused last year. It was like every game was needles truck traffic year descend that for the past five weeks every game campy Truckee but not all the time. Anyhow. True enough. Absolutely, right. But I agree with you. I think the patriots win that game as well. The quarterback match. As you mentioned, it's just how can how can you picture Bisky over Tom Brady, even if Brady is a big, you can't do it. You can't do it. All right. J. listen, it's that time eagles versus Panthers picks here. I'll give you mine to start off because as you know, as I mentioned at the top, I'm oh and six. So I don't think anybody has. To has to worry about me picking the eagles this week. You know, I'm picking against the eagles. I'm not gonna try and fly in the face of this thing here. Clearly fate is working. There is some kind of mystical force behind my picks. I don't know what it is. It's the football gods are carrying carrying this whole thing along and I don't know where it's gonna lead us be LG, but I'm just I'm going to go with it now. So if I'm not going to pick any eagles game correctly, if that, if that's the way destiny has faded me this season that I'm going to ride with it and I'm gonna go Panthers thirty five eagles twenty. How do they what goes wrong? So let's say, let's say you're making this pig for serious reasons like what goes wrong? Why do they lose a what goes one of the ways they can lose this game is if if Leuke cly is able to get able to get to Carson Wentz in they're able to to shut down the running game. If the offense of line has has struggles, if the, if the defensive secondary allow. Those big plays to a team that hasn't allowed big place. Here. We all know if Cam Newton runs around like crazy and can make plays like Marcus mariota did. Basically, this would have to be kind of like titans type game. You know where Marcus Mary were Cam Newton is running around making plays, trying to figuring things out on the fly, getting first downs on third, eights, and and the offense has struggles without without Jay Ajayi on without the Darren sproles back there. There's just, you know, the offense has no rhythm. Carson Wentz gets knocked around a little bit. You know, one of those type games where again, it's it's, those are the types of games I see. Like if the Panthers are going to beat the eagles, it's gonna be a very similar formula to the way Tennessee the eagles earlier in the season. I mean, that's fair, but I also think it's wrong because I am taking the USA win. It probably is wrong. Algae been wrong all year. So it probably is there a lot of reasons going to this one? I think the rest factor helps goes played on Thursday night football, the little extra rests there. They also have the ref factor. Would we talked about the Clete Blake men factor. You have the fact that the heels are still very good home until he lost the to the Vikings, although only by two points. So they're still very good home team seventeen in three in their last twenty meaningful home games still feel good about that. I just think even going back to last year we saw that this eagles team overall. I think he's a good matchup for the Panthers. The Panthers, I don't think are the eagles kryptonite here. I think if anything it might be a little bit the other way around. And I think I truly believe that if the calls weren't so lopsided and it didn't happen like the worst moments always possible that game would have been a blow out last year. And I don't know if it's gonna be the same case this year, but I think there's something to that one. Of the key things I will be watching in this game is how the Panthers defend the eagles tight ends because against Washington, not so great. Eight receptions for eighty four yards there. And one of those plays, they completely just lost Fernan Davies Davis in coverage. Jordan Reed was getting open in the middle of the field as well there. So I think you know herbs got could be productive in this game would love to see that. And I just think overall the, you'll have a lot of things going in their favor. I think last week's game wasn't a full indication that the team is back just because the giants are so bad and you can't just say, okay, the user back a hundred percent after beating up on that bad team. But the thing we did see is that they were cutting down on those mistakes. You know they were. They were not having the self inflicted wounds as Doug Peterson likes to call them. So I do think there that is something you can build on. And if the discipline is there in the attitude, is there. For that turnaround, feel good about that. One thing I will caution is that the Panthers are kind of a little bit uncharacteristically good, but they're, they're, they're twenty seventeen in one against the spread and twenty two, twenty four straight up in games right after a loss since the Cam Newton era began in two thousand eleven. That's kind of fitting for this Panthers team is you look at their record over the past couple of years, and they're always there back and forth there like ten and six, and they're saying ten and attend six again like they downst- back and forth. And I think not only season the season but week to week. I'll also mentioned they are twenty one and fourteen against the spread as road underdogs as they are this week since two thousand eleven. So which is the fourth best rate. So the point there being that they've handled adversity well, in the past, they found a way to bounce back. But after watching them against Washington last week, just wasn't very impressed and you, you go back to even the giants game where they needed a sixty three yard field. Goal to win against a terrible giant team and they're playing at home. So I just I don't think the Panthers are really all that great. Even are Panthers fans friends or a cat scratch reader thinking eagles win the game this week. So even their confidence, super high in this one with Carson Wentz looking sharp as he is. And this again, a lot of things work in the us in their favor. I'm taking him to win. I will say thirty to seventeen. I think that's fair score in and we also the Panthers playing their second straight road game against an NFC east team, which is also not a terribly easy thing to do. But you know this, this is this is an important game for the eagles you wanna see them build some momentum here. If this is going to be a team that's going to go ten and six or eleven and five, you need to start stringing some wins together. And this is an opponent at home that the eagles should beat. So you got a one o'clock kick-off eagles against the Carolina Panthers rematch of last year this time in Philadelphia, and hopefully we don't get another referee screw job this year that we that we saw last year down in Carolina. A metal do it for this edition of BGN radio for Brandon league out, and I'm John Stolnis. Thanks. We'll talk to you all once again on BG and radio brought to you by bleeding green nation dot com, and SP nation. Everybody to tell editor in chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge cast my friends, Paul Miller, indeed, or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to. 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Episode 100: Which Stats Matter for Fantasy with Josh Hermsmeyer

Establish The Run

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Episode 100: Which Stats Matter for Fantasy with Josh Hermsmeyer

"They. Do. Has No one. Welcome to episode one hundred. Yes. One hundred of the official established run DOT COM podcast. My name is Adam Levitin and when co-founders here at Iyar you may know me as the father of Jerry the most beautiful beasts in the world today, we have a very special guest this young man who has cultivated wine a young man who incites the rubes on twitter a young man who believes nothing matters it is, of course Josh terms. Meyer of establish the run of five, thirty, eight of the world famous industry-leading air yards by low model. Josh what's going on? That's a hell of an inter I can't believe. I'm in episode one hundred and you called me a young man this is an epic day I can't wait to get gone. It really is A. Moment for your life if I don't say so myself Okay. On today's show, we're going to talk to josh about air yards. We're talking about what stats actually matter was about how we can use data better in our process. We're talk about NFL teams and data before we get into it I know it's draft week. I know you guys feel unprepared? I. Can't stress enough how much of an edge it is to come into your draft with a set of updated rankings that we've poured meticulously over and the player takes. We've thought about for the last five months. So if you haven't yet head to the site, check out our draft kit. which is thirty five dollars, and if you plan to play defense if you plan to play in season all year, we do have a bundle package live on the site lowest price we will have all season. All right. Let's get Oh, by the way, Josh was on the show with us thirteen months ago or so episode four, he was on four, and now he's on one hundred. So for background on him, his wine, his cooking, of Meat, and more Bilo Model Talk Checkout episode four today though I want to focus on the model. And Data Art, let's start with this before we get into it let's explain to the people who don't know what the air yards by low model is came up within just generally speaking on the air yards by low mata. What is what purposes? Sure so When you're looking at all the different positions, you could possibly roster in. And probably more specifically in a tournament situation and even more specifically NPR tournament situation you know one of the hardest things to do each week is to figure out you know, who am I gonNA? Who Am I gonNA put in there and flexed. Positions that I think is going to have a good game and lots of times. What we do is we look in the past right we look last couple of weeks and we we project forward in terms of injury took in terms of what we think might happen game plan all that stuff and in general, that's a really turns out to be a pretty poor way to project how wide receivers will ultimately perform just not very good at it, and so what I tried to do was see if I could find any KINDA leading indicators. Things, we can hang our hat on and say, Hey, look if if these things are happening and the guy is poorly owned loan or is a value in a particular week is where we can kind of put all those factors together and maybe find a basket of dudes that might actually return pretty serious value and and differentiator lineups. In one of the ways I was able to figure out how to do that was with things like air yards. Things like targets and then correlating that with a lack of production because what we know is if you have those things you have volume. If you have that opportunity, it means a team wants to go to you just hasn't happened yet has very little to do with how good you are like. The fact you've got the target is the signal that you're good. The fact that you didn't have production is not as good and we are very quick lizard brain creatures to say that Guy Sucks because for three straight weeks, he's been garbage and he has his coordinate. Points at the wide receiver position as just not true. It's just not the way it works specially the NFL's moved to like three wide receiver spread as their normal offense. Yeah and a large part of this is just sample size and we're gonNA talk more about sample size and the problems that NFL presents with sample size. But Yeah I think a lot of people probably have these ideas in their head. You haven't given your background or whatever. But tell the people exactly how you execute this you have a programming background in in order to be able to do this. Yeah I mean it's it's a model it's a machine learning model. It's pretty complicated but the basic idea behind it is fairly simple. I mean it's these guys had all this opportunity they haven't produced. What should we pay attention to? Should we pay attention to the opportunity? Should we pay attention to the production? Well, sometimes you get guys like Kelvin Benjamin who are garbage who who, literally arguing those opportunities and they suck and they just do suck and because that those guys stick in your head right? Those like Calvin Benjamin's of the world I mean that just makes sense he wasn't catching the ball he looked bad. You know therefore, you know poor production equals poor player Yep. Go ahead. I didn't know how deep you want me to go. Yeah. No. I just wanted people to get a little bit of understanding about how the machine learning and stuff like that plays into it. Because I think a lot of people have some of these theories in their head and they have trouble executing them but I do think that getting some background or working programming Josh. Sweet loud a bunch of stuff. How people can get started with our python or whatever can at least get you start if you wanted to do it on your own anyways back to the Bilo. Go ahead. Yeah. No, and so and so yeah, you just you take that idea and you put it into to the numbers and it's just basically you take share Mary yards share of. Targets Maybe you put in something to do with the quarterback and quite honestly you don't need to put a lot in the quarterback because. If the guy is still on the same team right and you're using the same in season stats, the quarterback is in that right the fact that the guy got those targets, he's the quarterback in their in their already like. So to say that the to say, you have to add more than quarterbacks guide on. That's true and some people have accused my model being underweighting the quarterback because I don't have lot of specific specific stuff in there. It's in there but I don't have in their. Nebraska. and. That's a big like that is a big controversial subject in especially in real football but I think fantasy it's totally uncontroversial. It just doesn't help. You could put defense defensive stuff in there. All you want and I encourage anyone who's trying to role models to try and do it now come to the same conclusion person who's has done it has as well that it only moves the needle, very, very small amount in. A model like air yards by model where you're looking at guys who have been terrible and variances huge and what you're basically saying is there's going to be this positive regression to the mean though small effects don't help they don't they don't. They don't do anything for you. you want these big big huge moves right? You want these guys that have just been so bad right relative to their opportunity, they can't do. Anything else. But rods, and that's basically what the model helps us one yet, and this was a whole defense doesn't matter debate and there's a lot more nuance to Josh likes to incite the people on twitter by giving no nuance or context to it on twitter. But yeah, as you mentioned, there is nuance to why the defense doesn't matter when you're doing a model like this Okay. How how the model performed last? season. Obviously, we had the model on establish the run last season basically use a list of players. The MODEL spits out in the ideas Josh mentioned to get wide receivers who are coming off of bad weeks or mediocre weeks or even sometimes maybe better-than-expected weeks but the opportunities still didn't meet it meet the production. So how did you think the model performed last season may be relative to previous seasons are just independently. Yes. So at the very beginning I did a lot of back testing because I wanna make sure everything was still working the way I wanted to. It was performing really really good especially early on and if you. If you look at where your edges. It's mostly going to be early in the season because as our sample increases in, you get into week eight. And you have seven weeks of past performance to look at. Things like my model are going to naturally come or how about this my model is going to be relatively the same. I've looked at the performance back every year for the past six years it works relatively Saint Mary Year but people get better and models differentiation from public lessons. So where it's really good is in those first three or four or five weeks where it can really help you. Get ahead of the curve a little bit about some of these guys I mean look I think you know maybe there's a lot of people doing this type of analysis now and perhaps the market's getting sharper but I do think there's a lot of ingrained bias and especially with the uncertainty in early in the season I think that's where you can really find an edge. Yeah for sure and that goes for all. Positions not just wide receiver I mean being contrarian is going to show way more value early season than it will in. We'd nine and ten where things are much more salt. If you haven't taken one week two week three and Josh is giving you a database take through the model that is going to be way more valuable than it will be later on in the season but I do think later on the season it's actually still worth knowing who these guys are as you mentioned though the the industry is changing right and we've seen this I mean last year and I know you commented I commented a few times some of the guys that were in the Bilo model. we're owned and you didn't see that in previous years and people are not like the. Field depending on your game selection, depending what site play on but you know higher sakes mid stakes on draftkings people are not game log watching anymore and a big part of why. We once you play guys or we wanted to play guys coming back games because everybody who game log watching and so now people aren't game log watching as much muc- guys like will fuller whatever coming off of two three churches games and they still get up to like twenty, five, thirty percent on. So I think a lot of that speaks to the field getting sharper doesn't mean that the model is wrong or is no longer viable just means the field is getting sharper and we have to continue to push. Our. Edges on some thinner guys have you noticed at least that the guys in the Bilo monarch getting more than actually I don't think it's like all the guys like some guys that are, and there's some guys that come in still like one two, three percent. We tried to highlight some of those each week too. But there's GonNa be more of them that are you know twenty, twenty, five percent owned whereas in the past I don't think they would have been as the field is game log watching anymore. Look. DFS players are by-in-large. The sharpest NFL guys out there right there. I, mean look they. Just are They have every reason to be and so the the idea that you might find something that's actually worth. Worth doing worth worth paying attention to. And the sharp people not incorporating into their process seems silly to me. So I I completely understand why some of the more obvious Bilo model guys would be higher own right The guys were all things lineup of narrative you have a news you have you know like the model whatever you have all those things line up. There's no reason why those guys wouldn't be higher, but they still it can still be effective because some of the guys who off every week or completely contrary and they come right out of the blue and known mountain news or Narratives GonNa put you on them. And so a lot of people often just because of that and so that's why I think it's important but context around the model, but it's also important not to just look at guys to fit all the boxes 'cause elise get a little bit of those guys get some exposure to all of that. I think especially if you're in these one, hundred and fifty. Tournaments. I mean why not because it'll differentiate you and if it hits. It'll be quite ice for you. So but I agree with you I think it's I think the public sharper or at least in these higher end games that people are getting sharper there and I, Dunno I I wanna say that's great. Great because this is kind of something I've been preaching for a long time. You know that this is the way to look at these problems but at the same time I, don't I don't think I can take. Credit for it but I can also say that I think kind of hurting me as well. 'CAUSE IF I models effective in terms of ownership, but I also think it's it's I duNno, it's a testament to the to the guys were planning to these these players think they're think they're smart dudes. Yeah. For sure and you know they'll be ten twelve maybe more guys in the model each week and a lot of them are gonNA come in single digits owned and obviously we'll ownership projections up there. So you guys can be aware of who we think the model is going to be owned and who's going to not be owned One thing we're adding this year to the motto is I'm GonNa Be Writing Context around the Bilo model and a lot of guys in Josh's line of work in very data heavy. Modeling type of work say well, the data speaks for itself. It doesn't need any right. You don't need to tell me that the reason that know Emmanuel Sanders Opportunities Spike. Last week was because Michael. Thomas was outright like it's irrelevant. You don't need context I kind of think that you do but a lot of these like real data heads will be like no. The data speaks for itself do not put any context around my data where do you come down on that whole debate? Now I think definitely put context around it put everything like the idea that the model is the be all end. All is insane to me. It's a list of players that you know may hit that's it. That's all it is, and and the data shows that it's reliable to a degree. The problem I think is when you say well, those guys on the list shouldn't be there and we should eliminate them because they're clearly bad place I think that's a poor use of context. A good use of context is hey, by the way, look at all these other reasons beyond these guys and maybe he'll be low on like that would be the ultimate in context and I think you know I mean obviously, you're the guy, you're the contact me you're the news guy you know everything's going on everywhere in the league, all the time and that kind of knowledge has been. Unfortunately for for you I think like now table stakes, it's like everyone needs to be at times level or you're not GonNa win right and so everyone gets their or at least they try. They've proximate you and but I still think that you know for people who aren't doing that kind of work. You put that context and neither mmediately leveled up there at least not going to get lapped. They're going to be on par with other people and they'll be able to understand. Aren't you think that's the biggest part right 'cause we don't know ownership when I publish this shit on Tuesday you are working through it I think probably Wednesday yet. Wednesday. Yeah Wednesday night and so it because it's hard and so I you know you need both of those things and then on top of that, you need late end of the end of the week late news I'm telling you things you already know it's just playing the fastest the game itself. So lots of different layers to it, but I think having that model on Tuesday can help you. Work through which of those players, you can finally land on by the end of the week. Yeah and I'll add that also I primarily played cash games in is still used by low model for cash even though it's intended purposes GP's like I want to know which guys heart-rending in from an opportunity perspective trending in the model even for cash because a lot of times, the wide receiver position is where I'm trying to save money I'm trying to Jim in running backs expensive running backs in cashing I'm playing wide receivers that are thinner under five hundred and some certainly looking through the model for that kind of stuff. Other positions people ask me all the time they say, well, why isn't there a Bilo model for running backs? It's easy right? We just look at opportunity verse expected points in it. If they fall short, then we're cooking with with running backs or why isn't there a Bilo model for quarterbacks? I assume that you've looked at this stuff why is there? No by Josh Terms Meyer Bilo model for other positions. As. That's great. I mean it's because we're really too sharp on for the first question. I backs. We're just too sharp on running backs. Everyone knows who's going to get the volume. It's single singleton position is probably only going to be one guy lists split backfield. And then you're probably often anyway but among the guys who are going to be getting the majority of the carries by expectation by by news everything, we know going into a week. There's not much more model can do to get better than that because running backs are about how many touches they get it. That's what it's about I mean I could tell you that. A lot of research on running backs and tell you they're like broken tackles in the UK is probably important to understanding their fundamental skillset. NFL teams will tell you that's important. Everything else though is like. How many touches they get because you're talking about on average a difference between three and a half yards or four and a half yards like that's it. I'm giving me that's not enough to be a difference for you. So you're going for those touches, just find the touches and you can do that without a model. So a model isn't going to help you any better. Anyway, it's not to give. the other part with quarterback says it's QUARTERBACKS is in volume efficiency but we also do a pretty good job on that too I. Think. Unfortunately. I can't go further with it because the NFL has a slapped my penis really hard but I wanted to bring out these new metrics based on the NFL tracking data and SPF all been very up my ass on this and basically I cannot but. These ideas of separation over expected and this idea of anticipation throwing are both things I. Think. I've been able to quantify and I think they could help I really do especially for quarterbacks like give you a quick story. You Look Josh Allen You. Patrick mahomes but both huge talented arms, right like the MOMS throw it out of a fucking stadium ready to throw it out of you know we've seen it on video throat Area Stadium we've seen Josh Allen Throw through a a dump rights from the fifty from his knees so both the Ma'am great arms. But if you look at their intermediate throws mahomes will float above all. Much much like sixty seventy percent of the time foldable a second longer than than Josh. Allen, why would a guy with his arm be floating balls on some of the most important passes on the field and only thing to make sense is that it's anticipation like he's throwing before the guys open he is throwing to a spot relying on his receiver to get where he knows he's going to be while as whereas Josh Allen. You know kind of famous leave you talked know film heads you see the ball, see the throw the ball to him right? He's a guy who guns it in there. Once he knows it's the right and breed. and. So we see these two guys with great arms with hugely. Different NFL production ones an MVP. The other guy is like I don't know. He might may be on, you know if you've talked to talk to Sopa maybe you might be the MVP here. But who knows but I think there's a totally different range of outcomes for these two players with huge arms. And I think if we could. If we could hone in on maybe that aspect of quarterback play, we might be able to say something about how they'll be in the future. Sadly. None of my models at least. Will have that information in them. Anytime in the near future yeah. Why do you think the NFL or so protective over this data? I mean, I'm just curious why? Why? Why would they slap your peanuts? I I mean I can. There's a corporate answer and then there's like the real answer I don't I the corporate answer is that's what was contacted. By. Can't be going out there making. These new metrics because without their say so the real answer I couldn't tell you. I talk to people in teams in there like. We don't get it like we I thought you did your separation of respect and stuff was really cool. That was that was that was. Neat it's cool to see it and. So I don't think NFL teams care but I think that the league itself has this fear perhaps of what I wanted to do, which was created derivative metric using their data and publish it and let other people play with it like that somehow is too far. Outside their comfort zone like the a feeling of giving away the crown jewels perhaps because they spend a lot of money did and I'm not. But there's a lot of effort goes into creating a new metric from that rod that raw data is. Nasty. Nasty and actually create something useful on find something useful out of it takes a lot of time. It takes a certain amount of skill I mean, but mostly time, and so it's like once you get that new metric. It's not there's anymore but they contracted that it is. There's so anyway that's wrap. It Speak hate to see it speaking of data. I think fantasy players even at a higher level are inherently by spy sample sizes being so small. The problem we haven't nfl I mean got sixteen games and are getting sixty snaps off and Why does he remind only get five, six seven targets but he's still on, we're talking about tiny tiny samples. Now leads I think to a lot of misuse of data in the NFL the community people think they have something predictive but really it's just noise and that's more dangerous to me than than knowing that. You. Don't know anything. You know like knowing that you don't really that there's a ton of noise in that probably doesn't mean anything is way less dangerous to be like I found something and and this is it and it's actually just is really small sample thing. How do you think people can avoid this small sample thing with NFL or is there any way really to avoid the small sample nature of NFL? So Again. Like. Make. Sure you at least have leveled up to the levitan level. You need to know how all the things there is to know about every team in terms of their news, the perception surrounding the news like the Meta around the news. All of that is way more important than the small sample sizes on game locked like. But then once you get there, you might find some descriptive stats that might you know push you in one direction or the other might be a tiebreaker I think that's fine. But like It's really difficult to find. And why I was so excited about the Bilo model is actually was a reliable thing. It is really difficult to find those things like the reason why we don't have them for every position is because it's just really hard to do. It's just doesn't doesn't appear to be the case that football's that type of gain and that where you get like NBA or something like that where you can actually make really prediction or reasonable ones at least. So I would just. My process I if I live in Idaho, so I don't play a lot DFS anymore. But. If if I was, our process will really be pretty simple like I would make sure. I. Did had all the news just locked down. I would make sure injury news specifically I had absolutely lockdown probably the most important piece of information you could get every week. And then, and then I would very kind of. Conservatively US stats and data to project to the future. Because most of its garbage like especially for running backs especially like people talking about yards after contact or they wanNA talk about long runs or they want to talk about. All this other stuff like I would just completely tune that out and So I guess I would say is like data has its place but i. don't know maybe it's third in the pecking order. For? Sherry. Yeah and that's why I focused so much an opportunity in injuries news because like as Josh said, it's so much more important than any of these little tiny stats that people love to talk about I mean it's just crazy to me. Okay. Speaking of what actually matters I want to talk about your article which went on established the run last week essentially, which was what stats actually. Matter for wide receivers, which wide receiver stats are sticky on a year to your basis, which stats are actually predictive of future performance I think people are GonNa find some things near that will open their eyes did anything from doing the work they're open your eyes. Do you think anything will surprise people in there and what actually matters from year to year basis into his wide receiver stats? Yeah it's it's disappointing in some ways because a lot of the. Most granular stats, the per target stats for receivers are really bad like in terms of predicted nece or stability. And you would. So what's interesting is you take season-long stats right? You say. Have you have the entire season you know is that pretty good at predicting next season it's all right. Then you look at per game. So you look at per game it's it's pretty it's better. It's like ten twenty percent better in terms of predicted nece and you go. Wow. Okay. So if we divide by games, we get better now it's if I buy targets, WE'RE GONNA be cooking with grease is GonNa be Great. You know just turns into nothing like it just disappears like yards per target. You know. Targets per guy whatever it might be. It just goes away. The only thing that turns out to be pretty good on her turn organ level is is is air art. So eight DOT AVERAGED EPA target turns out to be pretty good and that says something about how the wide receivers used and gone over all that. So I don't need to dull into it but like That interesting thing is why did dividing games help but not by targets and I think the answer is is that Guys get injured and all you're really doing when you divide by Games is you're filtering out injuries you're saying when he did play and he's relatively healthy how to do and so those stats in those at that level turn out to be the most predictive. So you if you're playing against guys who are just using last season status season long you're going to have an edge over them if US per game stats I don't know there's a lot of guys out there still do that but that would be an edge for you. If there are guys that are stupidly going down and saying yards per target. That's the way I'm gonNA judge receivers, and you're a huge edge over them because they are just chasing noise. Yards per route run at all. I did it's decent but I think if you look at like Ben, Gretchen made a really good argument the other day he kind of put it in terms that I think I've been floating around in my head for a long time. But it's not really inefficiency stat, right? It's yards per outrun. Genn a lot more about usage. It's a lot more about volume and. I would just refer. Do a search on twitter. He has a really great threat on this It's controversial. I'm not saying it's like settled stuff but like he has really good take on yards perot run but in the end you're thrown is relatively stable, but I don't think it's telling you what you think it is about receiver. And that's not uncommon with with metrics metrics don't tell the whole story. You know you really need to have smart people giving you context Rodham release people who out them giving smarter context around him. So you can kind of deploy them correctly. Yeah one thing that if people read the read the article on the site, they will come away thinking least about Walker about unity rating tell the people more about that metric and how it plays in to what you think with air yards, the Bilo model and all that. Cheer. So like instead of doing the whole model, you can just do whatever and get eighty percent of it Walker is share t mary yards and share of a team target. So target chair, and he gave about two times. The weight targets as air yards and that correlate really really highly. Relative to most things with fantasy points in a season but it doesn't include touchdowns and the reason doesn't include touchdowns because they're really random year to year and. They tend to follow targets anyway like you need to target to get a touchdown. So guys who have more targets than have more touchdowns in that's. Basically the best way to predict touchdowns for receivers. But anyway. So so Walker witted opportunity rating also includes things like Air Yards on passes that were ruled. As Pi. So that opportunities all in there. All that intent to. Receiver on those yards is included in Walker and it does it does really job I think as a metric looking forward, not looking backwards. It's decent at that to the looking forward. It's absolutely the best I found to Kinda just in one number some up. Our are expected value of a players opportunity in in the upcoming season. Yeah and you're gonNA decide to read more about Operation Josh, including a table in there about guys in water and stuff like that Okay. Where do you think we're at in terms of Atta a team level not fantasy of actual teams in the. NFL that nasty last year when you're on obviously our I think NFL is or was way behind baseball where baseball of already had their saber metric revolution. NFL seems to be having it. Now it seems like there's been a lot of progress at least in my eyes since we last spoke, where do you think we're at right now in of analytics and thinking about the game more critically at the NFL team level I mean, just anecdotally I know a lot of people at a lot of different teams now and that is. Pretty. Amazing. Like that's crazy that a lot of folks who? We were just talking about. NFL metric two or three years ago are now with teams guys who've gone on a big data bowl and done good work publicly are now scooped up in and hopefully being listened to inside these organizations. And again when I say listens to, I'm not saying that like the everything they say is what the team does. That's insane like they have a seat at the table maybe I think that's fine right now analysts needed to prove themselves and more than that the people inside the organization need to prove themselves like it's all it's GonNa take time but for some of the best teams who've had these kind of established groups inside. The team structure for a long time talking about the ravens talking about the browns things like that the teams you would think of they've made draft picks based on the recommendations and the first round draft picks and and that's a big deal That is that is a huge step forward for that type of thinking right evidence based Nelson and just making sure that you know you're trying to get all your edges because. Once once the big like low hanging fruit is is taken away like you're GONNA we're. GonNa be right back to smart football people trying to figure out how to get an edge on the field like it's just GonNa be right back to that. It was just this frustration has fans and people who are just analyzing the game from the outside going look why are you doing that man? It's just such such a bad idea like so obvious like stop doing that and then keep doing what you do so well, and and I think I think the NFL is moving much more close to that that kind of ideal. You mentioned you know a lot of people working for. NFL teams right now I'm sure that there are a lot of people listening to this say Hey I haven't let it analytical background I can work with machine learning I can work with our What is your advice for breaking into analytics on the team side of it's something people are interested in doing. I would I ask what you want accomplish working for team Do. You just WanNa work for team because that's a cool thing to do and you just WanNa. Be a part of that team if so in in you don't really care about like if you're listening to or if or if you're a particular piece of work is elevated to a decision maker I give you don't care about any of that and you just WanNa work for team and I would say hustle really hard publish all of the stuff that you all of your ideas online in some way tag Ni tag other other analytics professionals like we'll retweeted if it's interesting and then you know maybe maybe go do a big dateable or something like that See if you can place in that and you'll probably get a job you probably will. Then, the question you have to ask yourself though while you're out why if you do succeed all of that, you have to ask yourself you know really what am I? What am I doing this for like one of the big reasons I got antics because I wanted to win my fantasy leagues. I had a real reason for I. I needed to know these answers because I wanNA fuck and win when you're doing all this work for someone else and it's completely opaque up the chain about what is even happening in terms of the decision making process, and if anyone even listening to all the hard work you've done. I can be really really discouraging. So I would just be very careful about what you're hoping for and what your expectations are, and then what you actually might find after all that work. Yeah. For sure and I think people think it's just really cool to work NFL team as you said, and it's really cool to work for fantasy site too. I mean Leoni starting this analytic slack group for us and I mean he was just overwhelmed with the quality of people that applied to be in this group I mean people want work in fantasy people want to work in football and it's going to be super competitive to get. In there I can assure you that we will listen to your analytics takes much more than some donkey nfl coach will promise you that Okay. Let's questions. We just had a few hear. From Jim Kenney says, would Josh's model evolve in the future to control for quarterback accuracy? I. Know You already mentioned that cool. Why you thought quarterback play wasn't that important to be in the model but what about quarterback accuracy can we even control for that in which you want? Yeah. So completion perspective completion percentage over. Over. Expected already. So I actually calculate adding tweets and I use a prior as well. So like his career CPO E is all in there and so like the idea of how old is he completed each deb. Compared to use peers is in the mall. So there is a little bit of that. That is an action soon, but it's kind of busy by gets not specifically anchors, but it's kind of gets at it. I would much rather had something like what I was discussing earlier having light some kind of anticipation metric inner I think that would be money but again, as we discussed, the word doesn't look like it's going to happen. I think David Maguire trolling with this next question number two he says, what's the Best Ip Eighty? Josh's ever had for these guys that don't know Josh. Episode Forty talked about his experience in the wine industry but I, don't think you're fan of Ip as I'm not mistaken different wires trolling. No no man I, love I, love all beer in and I enjoy NYPD. Yeah I just got I just got my brewery setup like homebrew professional but Yeah. I'm the first thing I'm gonNA make an IP. Oh. What do I like I like pliny the plenty ehlers the best most balanced ib ever had Russian river berets live next door to wit many vinnie sellers. Oh i. think is his name knowing momentum a couple of times smart smart dude was one of the first guys to make a really Allen's hoppy west coast. Ip. A guy is the guy is a genus made a lot of money doing it and I would highly recommend anyone who doesn't know about. Almost. Anyone who does knows about pliny? Make a pilgrimage down to Windsor and grab yourself a case applying he could stuff. you know I was drinking IPA's for a while relatively regularly when I went out and against. So outrageously popular I just can't face like being the twentieth dude at the bar to consecutively order in Ip A. So now I'm going log or something like that. You know I just I just want to be different I. Know You I know you kind of feel that way to. Yeah. That's that solid work. Yeah. No I. If you really WanNa be contained order like a Flemish Ale like sour then you like no one's GonNa WanNa even like taste your beer. You're just GONNA be like on your own at the end of the Bar but it's really good So yeah, it's I, like it all but I as are very, very popular right now so I get it. All right. Last question where do comes from our Adam he says predictions on who will be this year's redacted for those that don't know Josh gave the people. Let them in on the inside joke of redacting what has to do with the model. S. So like my mom was imperfect, I won't be very clear and there are guys that'll keep showing up. We got two week like Kelvin Benjamin couple years back who was getting targets from Cam and he wasn't catching them and the model kept saying well. Look I've got it's GonNa pop, but he never pops and so you're like. Well, I I'm a guy who says. I come from the perspective that put context around something but never never edit the model like don't don't like use your own judgment like say who should or shouldn't be on the list so I keep them on their. Remove his damn name. So I keep his team you can figure out who it is, but it's call him redacted because I'm just so upset that my model sucks on him and and so he's redacted. So every year it turns out there's going to be like one or two redacted 's and last year. Mike. Williams was redacted quite a bit. I think even. Redact Odell. See an Odell like we can look back now and go album wasn't really wrong yet core injury like there's some going on with them and again that's why I say so important listen tons. So important understand what's going on with news and and they weren't very forthcoming but I think sharp people knew that will was hurt last season right the model didn't know and there's no way to account for that. So tough stuff So this year I think a guy that. A Guy I think might end up being redacted me maybe decay metcalf like I don't know. Is Very. Linney bop-in Status Nice. who were very linear players right who here's decay MEKA's game and it's a lot like Sammy, Watkins. Isn't going to be short right maybe on a slant but with the new route Dhakal no big deal. So then Is He gonNA beat you intermediate? So he stemming out looks like he's going to go deep. Are you worried about an in breaking rowdy worried about that hard outbreaking dig now I really like you're getting coached don't let him take the top off you just don't get beat deep. So yeah, he's very good there but just shade safety over and you make sure you have that extra step when you're playing them off and now you've taken that that bid away from. So Ross is gonNA hopefully arrests cooking this year they're gonNa let Russ Cook. So he's he's. Throwing one out there. He's GonNa give him a shot. So you can have all these like me deep balls to him that are well covered because they're all playing him deep because they're not respecting that out breaker or that back-breaking rather than cut it off. So I think I think what you're gonNA find is that decay the League is going to catch up to decay skillset this year and unless he can prove that he's like this more versatile receiver than we all thought that he has more kind of techniques in his game than we all thought. that. He could end up being redact but who knows man you have had some wild rants before this is the most embarrassing rant you ever had. That was the most football guy team watch the tape ramps. I've ever heard in my entire life that was humiliating I. I don't want to put this out to the public it's going to ruin your entire brand. You just basically copped to try and delay team watch the tape take. What what do you mean? It wasn't embarrassing that was the solid football team talking about solid work by me I applaud myself. Dash listen to don't listen to Josh about football guy tasty came back half is GonNa Smash Okay he's not going to be I if he doesn't smashes w redacted GonNa have some huge games. Okay. anyways. We've gone to the Portland Bergamo Josh is giving tape take. So that's when we know it's time to cut it off. You can find josh his model all year long with my context around at my ownership projections also, you can find it all year long on. Established. Run again we have the bundled package right now you can get in season in the draft for the lowest price you will have all year I notice draft week being good luck to all you guys that are doing drafts right now appreciate all of you who have been along for the ride with us. This whole way we certainly was up here we'll have more podcast leading right up to week one before we start to take most the podcast behind the pay. So. For Josh. For t much tape his favorite for pretty. I am Adam. Good luck, everybody.

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"Appeases ship one time in my life? And it don't Jane just put on way in and hurt. Another addition of Casey Radio on the Barstool sports network. there. There's a lot of people I. Mean. We've got a lot of enemies throughout the days here parcel sports. I agree by couldn't list them right now when they come back into my life. fucking hate that person. But as I sit here, right now I, don't know how many I could list. Try. Sure. Jamie O'Grady okay. I remembered him. I couldn't think of his name. He's great. I Yep okay. Versatile as a whole. Sure. Bars was a whole. Before before four years ago because now there's too many people agree like Barcelona. Yeah there WH- when everyone was fighting the numbers, Alex someone can be in a few like I don't even fucking notice. So Sam making the cut or is she to know symphonic? I was living I wasn't even living with Louis I Boston. So I was I was living with my older man. So that was lost ponder. You know Z. it's hard. It's like it's one of those things. We I think I think almost like we keep using the records with sports today that like there's just too many on and that's not really true anymore because it's all in the heyday of the the postseasons. Yeah. Starting at eleven every day we're overwhelmed five sports on and I think early days of. So many feuds was just. So we're not driven like Dave by rallies for. What white lives you know what I mean? Yeah he's got a champion. Right, when he can literally, it'd be like, okay. Let me read off those in grave champagne bottles but one that is always that has been there for long l.. K. Over like via the whole. Or whatever you know. But one that has been there all the time. And I think we we don't talk about because she I think makes such a big stink is Julie dicara she's been around for a minute and I know she's she's become like voldemort whereas like she's just she. Burst getting their mentioned don't do it. Worn, our audience I'll do it but like. I don't ever want anybody anybody being harassed, but she's gone full troll. So now. I feel like you're mixing it up on the Internet and saying ridiculous Shit Ridiculous it's going to happen and she's from Chicago and I remember Dan being like I don't want that drama and I was like all right. I'll respect what your city because because I got I got got mixed up with her when I. I said that is you. Should. Take her Sun Shining Real Nice Turnham saizen stick him right upper. Because It's so ridiculous. It's funny. You come on. Sunday, you're zooming of your ask. But the latest she now works for deadspin and so. That's you're still thing. Or are you at this though I mean, it's just unbelievable. This is what even for offers for deadspin standards this is stooping to a level that is laughable like there are even it is one that they are like I don't really get mixed up in this stuff anymore I follow them just 'cause I didn't WanNa get mad about seeing some stupid article that fucking even the author doesn't really care about that much and but this was one that came across the time line via re tweeter tweeter, whatever it was and. It was John Dropping. It was one of the I'll give her this. This is one of the funniest articles I've read in. Two Thousand Twenty. One intentional? Zone for this is one. postseason. Yeah. So this This. Is filed under Adam Schefter. Sucks. Says Breaking Adam Schefter is a vacuous third embodies white male privilege. and. I'll read a little bit of it. Not a lot of it because come on sports media is overpopulated by privilege white male privilege white people myself included, but it's especially populated by privileged white men who are never called to account for their privilege or use. Or use it in any constructive way. America seems by and large. Okay. With this the quote leave politics out of sports crowd is effectively shouted down exhausted. Those of us who keep insisting that sports is not and has never been a political for the most part we try to pick our battle hanging. Let's find a better part. Let's a sometimes a white media person does something that evidence is such? Such terrible judgment such lack of compassion or care for the people they cover that it merits calling them out on it witness. Then this tweet from ESPN's Adam Schefter. Three and this is the tweet October thirteenth. Three weeks from today is a hugely significant day with potential ramifications for years to come. The NFL trade deadline. Funny, funny joke because. When you read clean shot. Do when you read the top half three weeks from today's. Day with revocations you're thinking election read the bottom half plot twist. MNISI job Milan. The NFL reporters ought the NFL and I was GONNA say for a guy like, Schefter for a guy like rap sheet for a guy like. That this is their their election day. This is their thing. This is what matters them, and the fans they're talking to would appreciate this humor and appreciate that it is an important moment for their sport. Joy Garo says. See because you think he means the presidential election, but he actually means the NFL trailing. Premise. Of the, it's not like a setup in the punchline occurred got. Telling you that Adam Schefter. That was the funniest job I've ever heard but for what he does and who he is and what he covers, it's kind of. NFL nerve reporter. It's pretty funny makes you chuckle. Boy. This is a this is where it just gets crazy. This is where it just gets crazy. This poor attempt at humor during a good year, a fuck you to every non white person who has been and continues to be deeply affected by the actions and policies of Donald Trump in twenty twenty while the president continues to refuse to disavow right supremacy shadow Jemele Hill, who was light years ahead of the rest of America, and this one while Cova continues to ravage black and Brown communities at two and a half times more than the white ones while people wait in line to vote upwards of eleven hours in Marietta Georgia. This is the Joke Adam schefter decided to make. He doesn't have to worry about any of these. Things you see as a white man with a high paying gig he doesn't have to think about the same things you do who continue to do. Well, no matter who sits on the Supreme Court. No matter who occupies the oval. Office. Shutter built his career and reputation on coverage on a coverage of league seventy percent black. It's also a league that is run coached and covered overwhelmingly by white men. I had a pretty good idea who the audience was intended to be Schefters tweet but I hope the guy he covers in the league sees it well, and that next time to decide who they trust what their stories and information. I mean. Whole. Look. I. Disagree with WHAT IS IMPORTANT ELECTION I agree waiting in line eleven hours. Vote is a bad thing I agree. It is a bad thing. Everything I say until election day doesn't have to be reverting the election day, I can make fucking jokes. I can say whatever the Fuck I you could say you could list off. Things happened in the world anytime. Someone tweets every time I don't make a movie there's an oil spill. Any time someone is is using their platform to crack a joke to talk about something trivial to to mention sports to discuss something inconsequential. You could say there's no clean water in Flint. Michigan. You was hey, hold true because that's all I think. So I think. So then you say is GonNa fix that yeah. Yadi Lon you. Must Go, Jupiter doesn't do things. Giladi yellow mustard. I feel like you could. There are people getting their chopped off for blood diamonds. Why are you talking about reality? TV like? She covers sports too. So at all times, she's not she's mad that like he right? Yes I understand it. I. Get it but there can still be humor in the world of politics and you can still make a joke about election day or the president or any of this shit without implying without without that meaning that you're a white privilege male who like like like Schefter fucking press send images and I go back to my ivory throwing, right? I don't have to worry about any social issues. Give me a fucking break. It must be. Exhausting to be her I actually that's what I. That's the pleasure I take from it. Then you know she just. How much knowing me? You only have to live with you my life very rarely. Yeah. You have with you and your life twenty, four, seven. Yeah. You have to live in that head all day. Every is one of those things where it's like I'm glad you're not getting the death penalty because yeah, you. Sit in your own. Words to live in your head. Yeah. Than it is the the rare time I come in contact with you and I think I I love this article I thought it was great I thought was really fucking funny. Unbelievable. I thought the headline ten out of ten the. Dog It's all great for the wrong reasons, but I mean it's an onion article it is. Truly. This person made a joke about football and the election. Let's hang them crazy an end but the fact that she s to go on like I we'll talk about it today I. Mean we'll talk about her getting two years right? Judy cars got. Every. And more importantly talks about her and she she got talk about us every single day and she hates. The she put out a book and like the description for the book. Mentions us now that is crazy. The. Old Real estate in your head type Shit. Is played out but I mean her in her description, it says covering everything from the abusive online Environment Bar Sports to the sexist treatment of Serena. Williams. In professional women's teams fighting for equal pay. treatment. It's like Oh. That was let me just think of fucking big fat shake my head and throw at the wall. Shit my son out and up until. So, mad. Man. And by the way. What does all that cannot cover anything about the environment of Brussels sports when I fucking talking Or someone or knowing having any sort of like inside. Information or knowledge. So just throw that in your book description I. I know that every day you wake up thinking about us and every day he goes to bed thinking about us and thinking about how. It's not even just us. It's just. Everything. Thank you. All somebody what was the latest example? Fuck I tweeted something the other day and I just got the lake. NONA because liberals like you and I was just like I hadn't. It was totally a political you know and I just think I cannot believe how how how I can't believe you live like us where everything is a thing everything is of fight and an deeper meaning and. Vacuous fucking interred white privilege man who is taking advantage of his status in society like poor fucking schefter decided to try to make people laugh one time. One time he said I'm going to make somebody laugh and this is what he gets I'm gonNA bring joy to someone's life so they don't just reply like Fire Gays. So what? I'm just going to have a pretty fucking innocuous. We're just like they've ever get a chuckle out of this right and are going to tell tell me to announce the AJ green trade. Demand I announced the signing Levy Bill. That's all people replied with they book in blame for the moves. He's like everyone fucking hates my mentions at all time. Yeah. Just GonNa go some fucking bland little misdirection little twist last night at the end. Can you believe it? I was talking about a ball all along. Shut. They're talking about ball. You know. I mean truly seriously if you are I think there's a lot when when when you write articles about sexism assault racism, Blah Blah Blah, and you picked the wrong targets I do believe it minimizes everyone else who is who it's real four and picking Adam. Goddamn chef to by all accounts has a flawless reputation. Doesn't didn't raise that kid there's Oh you know her her his wife's husband was killed in. That story. I was a fucking puddle I was weeping Mr Schefter. Like. But even like even by aside from that like in his personal life, he's also I'll ever heard ministry professional talk about it has never been a moment of sexism. There's ever been a moment of racism like everybody loves him. He does his job exceptionally well, does it with a smile? He goofs around he plays along with a bit but he takes his. Yeah. I. Think. It was actually today five years today or whatever one of those fucking tweets are. Today. Was Him doing the Lambeau Leap Yeah? You have to do. Is hilarious. It's so Adam schefter be invoked and Ray Lewis Larry Ask yourself play into his fucking. Nouri little fucking dude and like you'll. They'll have fun with him but the chair. Stature beat the shit out of. Own Road that thing right in that L.. Elevate only going like I. Got I got no control of this because my feet don't touch the crowd. Nice Guy, you know what he's going to be he's going to be a great old guy going to be a great grandpa you know like Grandpa shefty and when you pick him to write, I, don't know I'm sure that was ten thousand warriors I'm sure that just kept going and going and going you are wasting your time and you're wasting your readers time and you're wasting like bullets in this war you know what? I? Wanted to do something only ran out of bullets. Oh. God. But God damn I mean it's it's sad. It's sad at this point. Just wildly ineffective I can't imagine. Like I said I'm glad she's trapped in her own head, but I feel awful for her kids. there. Up On bomb. Fuck moms coming home again. God I don't know what he's GonNa. Talk about dinner tonight. Look like. She just hits her kids with electrodes are like mom, can we? please. Talk about my homework. Like. What I did at school today. So I can fuck and finally wants give you one answer not no child in the history of that question has ever given an right. Out No that's that's that's that's a blanket. Answer their kids fucking giant filibuster. Stopped talking, she's going to bring up white privilege to just keep going. Like it's almost like. You've got to be ready to carry the baton. Breath you going and Jesus Christ I mean every single thing is white male privilege sexism and sports women in the Media Josh. There are fair points to be made in those things, but you just don't get to make him anymore because you are bad at it one and two insufferable. That's it. That's it. You know what? I I had the other night i. Got High. What up and as drug I? was. I'd finished I'd completed smoking the marijuana as laying in bed. Completing completed the smoke. Late in bed watching. Seinfeld on Hulu CPR seen came up and I laugh to myself for five. Just seven minutes just thinking the first person who gave CPR wack just like. Oh. Tim Drowned. Kiss Him. and. Kiss Him and then they didn't punch in his chest. And I was just there high laughing hysterically this. This is like well now thinking back on my poor cars never had just one of those moments in your life just. Stupid High Thinking about something stupid cer CPR is so like rudimentary that at work it just like, oh, well like his. His lungs are working stuff squeeze. Patches the lungs and it'll do the same thing hundred punch of and a heart and it's like, yeah, it works just. Be One of the things that is that stupid that because work without Oxygen Game Yours. Do you want some of mine. Sure. I don't understand CPR. Because it's it's carbon monoxide I'm blowing out. Your. Blowing out carbon monoxide, you are in trouble as a kid. But. Lee View. Yes. So you you get the heart going and the lungs you get the lungs gone with the. With the kissing and you get the heart going with the but I'm not breathing reasonable air. No but I think just get your ear shit going I think I don't know my guess would be the pumps, get your heart going the breathing in even though it's carbon actually gets lungs they're still a decent amount of oxygen. So it's it's not a lot but it's enough to like keep you. Eighty percent dioxide they actually say now just to skip the breaths and just just. Because that's And you don't abuse around the world. We're like we're going to stick with that and we're. Fun The sciences out on that one to keep Kissing Smith. By the way, you you do it. Right you like break the ribs yeah yeah. No. If you do it wrong I mean Heimlich could Heimlich. If do wrong, you could make them ship themselves. That's go. Below the Navel and squeeze bill like should. Be Below. FUCKING PRICK WAY. Give me. And my work actually mean. Myself Right there to myself I actually walk by Abba yesterday I think she's mad at me because. Guess what? No? Yes. She she had her arms up and she was like she was kind of coughing laughing and I was just like. I just walked by and she then goes a fucking joking and I'm like dirt speaking. Nick was like. Do you can speak you. Can you breathe? Fingers touch the ball, you should catch. Heckling. Just completely walked by and I'm like I'm just going to avoid her for the rest of the day and hope she forgets. Let's make the rest of your life she'll also. I would imagine we're all the same. was like three of them you'll punch me in the face. By. Dumb white boy that's it. I mean Ebony. Came back and then so did tiffany the mail woman. She just started coming back around because my friends back. So like she she popped in it and like nothing changes start shaking those tits again. Circle and it's. Been, delivering our mail. And put it in a storage locker. He came back with tons of it. Months was back and those tits keeps shaking. Did. You see the the big sits on the Internet yesterday Oh Cardi B. Cardi B.'s nipples are brought to you by Oh. You want to talk to people other one yeah. You who we talking to say body shaming because one is is off to you. peyton manning really. Really. Let's do a little Casey radio. The body issue brought to you by Miller lite whether you are talking serious business like the election whether you're talking about something completely innocuous unimportant like the NFL draft or whether you're talking about something or the NFL trade deadline excuse me or whether you're talking about the most important thing like Cardi B.'s nipples. You gotTa Crack Open Up. We're going to be talking Cardi, B.'s naps. Myself a nice. Miller. lite. Every time the kid. 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They were I wanted to observe occasion nipples really are or or aerial nipples the mountain area was applying. nipples refine the AREOLA was breathtaking in not a great way. I. Love it I love. In bed personally myself. I like Norway combining regular. Nip. Whatever. But like when I see something on the Internet, I, like to be a little fucked up and. How about you saw something fucked up it was her face she she was. So. Am I usually when I'm fucking. I've ever position with my fucking to titties hanging over your pants when I ain't celebrate song gravity's. Until each other but I'm the worst bums shirtlessly on the couch titty fucking migrating over to become one my other city to become that big thing for monsters inc then. then. I'm pretty fucked up when I I don't have to hit problem as much as I have the belly when I lay on my side and your belly just folded. It like I. Mean there's a it's bad. Bad Bro. So she got her tits are all over the place and her Nipple Areola is this is dinner plates. They are full fucking dinner plate nipple. It's a big niche hugh. It's it's a big net is zoomed in that I show you Jupiter picture. Yeah. I mean it looks it looks like Jupiter with the nipple being the big red spot the big red storm that's been raging. Jupiter. Flake a billion years. It had the curvature of gigantic planet with the spot of the nipples spot. My Buddy said that it looks like. It looks like Antarctica on the bottom of the globe. All kind of like jagged is not like smooth looks like the bottom of the globe is is, is Antarctica creeping up? And so here's my question. She was obviously shippee's yes. Do you think that she meant to posted fans and fucked up? Do you think that she's Yes Oh. Do you think that she just meant oppo? Tiger on only fans for a the rundown of Casey Radio Really fucking up my my time back. Tigers Dick. or You. Subscribe unsubscribe with. For, the month. We. Got You. Yeah. I'm sure there's you. I've never really gone. Like Oh. You really are in your only house. I. Look at it. I look at night like. It's not enough to jerk off to right. Well, I got to scroll. I only follow like fourteen. I think people on it, but I'll I'll like. Subscriptions. Yeah You. Probably have you probably pay upwards of one hundred you probably about one hundred and forty dollars a month. We're going. To pretty much everybody right now that is yours possible I mean. Right like I would imagine imagine most are closer. Zach. Jacqueline. I mean I would I would be willing to guess most of them are ten bucks follow thirteen. So let's see. You're pushing like fifteen hundred dollars a year on back that was ten. Already maitland war that was just because she was on office podcast. I went down a rabbit. Hole Day. She inspires those. Yeah, I I went down and also behind the scenes. Rabbit Hole. Man that girl she is a legend for a fucking reason I am proud to say that she was my former co where she goes so hard it is for the love of the fucking game I bet you could've told you're not gonNA make any money and she would have fucked the same. Gene that girl just loves. fucking. She she's a showman, she is a former. But yeah. All right. So I mean. It was in high there actually like all unfiled so I actually had seen. So. Mainland Lawrence Adria Fox on there because she's out game, she's only in the only fans game. Had C. radio listeners, scarlet snow. Danger. Yeah, danger. Belhadj Issue People's become to. Skin diamond again out the game tiger. And then show. Free though. Again. Casey radio you know face girl can you imagine being like I make so much money weirdest thing to like. HALF OF THOSE Just like the. Listeners. Friends. House no face goals. Are Good. Strong because she show post her fans reactions to them and they're always like Oh my God I was like is this just like Simpson who are going hard or is it really that? Yeah but I would also I just. Be Free. She doesn't pose a lot on it. No. Pretty funny to be like this is the number one like money-making platform for people and it'd be like if you were like, all right, we'll do the podcast for free because we make money over here thinks he has doesn't pay one though I was like a model hub to I. Don't know what that is. She got she is one of those pages where it's like here's a link to all my sites. She also support got into the sex toy game, which is very smart by way because I think if I were to. Go Buy sex toys now I think I'm GONNA go by the Porno one because I'm sure there all the right ones in the new ones girls like. But she's making reels on instagram where she's just like that's I'm boxes and try it out and she just like Dhaka plug in her ass on instagram really you don't see it. She just reaches back there and she's like. Her tongue. Ya, I would love I was getting fucked in the Posey with that was. On My instagram feed. Jeez. Any who back to Cardi B. that's according to be. Okay. So Cardi's nipples got a little they got be made fun of them. They're jarring note they are. Like nipple that has a personality. Weird bills those Nepal's have personalities Kevin. There's those nipples tell a tale. Let's name Lenin probably read if I was blind but I. Just. A fucking story to those nipples that I like. Let me let's let's thing that I think the story is I have a baby but. I've even need these every day I still am confused because. If you look at other pictures of her on the red carpet and stuff with. Thank extreme cleavage out. No sign of an AREOLA. Though no, no I. Yes. But I mean there there's no edge huge John. The nipples cover the whole. The whole tip there is no edge and I don't know if you pull them all the way over go home. Just like pinch it all back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean her nipples under. I mean that. Nipple. Hit right there. Too Good. I mean it's absolutely not it is. Now that nibbles got a story to tell them that nipple that story is line. Nipples are a fucking catastrophe got around to my story. It's a catastrophe here that w you would see some Neko. Nah Think I. think that's perfectly on the edge right there. It's not decidedly also like these are the are are in a in a strange situation there were laying down I'll just angle. I think. Glued up like that I'll accept the argument that like they've been chewed on for a couple of years but. I mean that really does is were you talking about? Mike was inskeep. Only from monsters INC is that the one arm one big yeah. It really does because even like it's got like the hair almost. Little. And that really is billy crystal from monsters. Platter, you've seen a lot more recently I have. Yeah. PULL THAT UP I think I've only seen it. Once I couldn't tell any of the voices in it. I'm seeing like. Yeah I suppose there's the two little years. Two years right there and then there's like a little bump in the head there read. Nikki's photoshop that like. There was just two arms hanging in two legs. A mouth I mean that is Mike was in zero. She's got her fucking extra sunny side up a good man. It looks like a fucking oil spill man it's going to let them winger and. It looks like A. Oil Slick in a puddle. It doesn't top area map for sure. Yeah. It looks it looks like it looks like a map to Columbus drew. It's always a little grain in like on a it's on, it's on, it's on parchment and on paper. I will shoot you straight. I don't even know if that's a good description or not. But if you tell someone you titties look like Christopher Columbus drew a map. Awesome parchment. Yeah Man. God didn't make those. act. Exactly what it looks. Colored the exact. Coloring. God. She has got to be. Not. Really. There's one person who got an outsource nipples to a cartographer. There's gotta be like a surgery correct this or something right? I'm sure surgery. But going back those girl doesn't fucking good. Now they're not. decidedly. Not No I like them now ball if there's anybody out there who would be like. Fuck you. A great. You know she doesn't give a shit but. When you see that this has been accidentally posted by yourself to your own account, you must be like off. Song. Dan On my God Tam Lipstick smeared. Her face is not great either I mean this, I would absolutely enjoy titty. fucking. Those are God just. Terrible turn of events but I guess Peyton Manning. He's got a great body peyton manning folks Jaguars on onto talking. Cleanse our palate of that and. And get some more checkout. WHOA washboard. Pay In. I think Peyton and the wife are going for a baby number whatever I think she might be some fertility drugs again because laxton brown he's he's using whatever she's got. He's got like an eight pack. Yeah. He's. He's just he's flat out shredded. I never understand that with athletes I think by the way I this is the only time we've ever seen him in the shirt off now I've seen shows for US shirtless on like. Stuff yeah. This fuck. With. The weird thing with athletes I think depending on what position you play like we'll certainly see like lineman. Down being jacked in like like you're the Peyton manning if you want to be the quarterback of the broncos coach like. Your time is wasted doing sit ups. It's. Like, you're doing I also think having a little engaging excise he probably like slimmed-down. You want like some mass on you take hits right? Arm Strength and like there's so many athletes we've just like, oh, like once their careers done during the day muscles, they have completely different bond. Every Joe Thomas is like the most Jack Person. That's got to be so crazy where you know when when it's almost like when you people used to say like they're jeeter wanted to, you could hit forty home runs a year and it's like, fuck? No. Chooses, to hit the contact no no no. But these guys are really is Oh, if I wanted to have that body I could I'm athletic freak I can do. This thing I can make. Anything. It's just that doesn't make sense Brady Brady looks like veal Brady looks like like like he's like he's not doesn't that APPs isn't that right? biceps have anything. He's all about fucking liability. Being able to. Take take a car accident, shortcake something probably take our action and like it not tear muscles and shit like that. Because I've been I've as bendy as fuck man viable I bet you Giselle folds. Pitches Outfox, Fox Tom Brady. What do you mean I? There's one couple out there that I think gets into some pegging I. Bet you. I Bet I bet you just Fox Tom Brady and I more power to you. If you'RE GONNA get fucked supermodel go ahead I could see that being thing. I. Don't know about that. If that's what Tom Leykis I. Hope that's happening. Now we got a text me this weekend about like Todd Hollywood really conservative family in California although I guess sometimes it's the ones where. You texted me this weekend about a rumor, Outon sportsworld or somebody who used to beg by somebody else and it was the funniest thing. I've ever heard of my life. We can't reveal names, but I mean that is that's one of the funniest rumors. I. Mean I've ever heard. Too Old. Woman. Who pegged a younger man? Yeah I got that method Saturday night Saturday I got really off the rails. Text. I don't know why that game. But yeah, I mean Goddamn Peyton talking good for you. Pal the he looked great. He looks the best. Tell you what his head shrinking. Steroids. True. Yeah off the steroids. Getting some APPS and the head is going back to normal size. Because that head is. That helmet just didn't even. It never fit. You know his helmet had the red spots on his forehead. It was like just can't a bigger helmet Peyton it clearly doesn't. It's clearly. Right. You can. You can deflate it a little bit. I played football. I know how those fucking helmets work speaking of you found that league where those like. fucking. Football those kids those guys play no pads no helmet and it just fate play full contact. Tackle football. AFL Seven I believe AFL seventy American. Just. defintely questioned that scientists or whoever has posed for a few years now that. Would taking the helmets out of the NFL would that takeaway concussions right and it turns out the answer seems to be a resounding though I mean if these guys are the case study, it's a big fat now it seems I couldn't get a good look I'm pretty sure Brian Dawkins is in the league they aren't no. No No. No. If you see some of the other like that was a quick cut highlight of hits. If you watch them play football, this is played in the why they are laying the woodall. They're they're hitting the fuck each other but like. One of the wide receivers on one of the highlights on their on their twitter feed. He's looks Kelvin Benjamin Eight Kelvin. Benjamin and then the quarterback who threw him the ball had a worse than me. It was like then he was in the end zone like doing like Lebron stomp and his stomach was. G All over the. The. White. Outgrow. Ovarian wants to be the long slender Fella. It's you then. Number Eighty, eight pocket. But I mean, those guys are. Those guys are like scumbags. You've got nothing to live for and they're just trying I mean they were GonNa that Shit they are head hunting those that might have been played in the prison. Yeah right though it might have been convicts. Warring gangs? Were if you were to take. The park tonight going to settle this once and for all I'm bringing the pigskin if you if you were. If they took away pads and helmets the NFL and there were like, I have to make millions you do too i. do think it's it's the ultimate like I don't think we'll ever know because what if you're wrong? The first game that didn't work I guess Dad. had. cracked. I think you need to start. Like in Pewee. And like. He, his go no hell grandfather anybody and because they don't know how to play any other way. You know what I mean if you need to start at a certain point and then when the when those guys reached the league like like the last guy who played with helmets is out, then we can start you know what I mean and if your test subjects our children. It's pretty immoral side experiment we're running their. Dead changed a little johnny how to inform tackle nope no helmet. Again didn't work. He's brain dead now I was at. The park Saturday shape plays baseball and then we hang out at There's a playground there and then there's there's t ball field but then there's like a real little league baseball little league field and I watched this kid hit a fucking. Bomb the other day I, mean colossal shot and I watched the pitcher just like put his head down at. The fathers were going wild and shit and I was like dishes like I guess hadn't seen kids sports on display recently, I'd heard about the participation trophies and shit and like people need to keep real competition in. This kid just put one that was probably like. Three hundred ninety feet and the wall is. A buck. Monster Shah. The DADS. That's right. That's right Jimmy. You're just like, wow, this is. This is. We're like, Yellen and shit. There was a in the bottom of the six. There was like a team like the team almost came from behind and the moms were going crazy nervous and shit I was like this is these kids are fucking like I. Don't know what it is with parents that turn you into a psychopath watching your kid. But. Like I as a child like had my team escorted out of the barnstable hockey ring by the police because the parents of the. To mad at us like throwing cheese like the cops had to walk out. I don't know twelve. Eight and twelve was what's happening here yeah it's fucking. Their hockey in particular they're famously but like even our little leagues I remember like. My Dad like guests on being once and he's like everyone was screaming at him and he walked over the he's like. Everyone show your fucking mouth. Yeah I'm just I don't need to fucking be here. This is my job didn't show up. He's drunk in the fucking storage shed. I'm just fucking doing this. I don't give a shit also by the way like keep running your mouth you're not gonNA get a call the rest of the. Little. Timmy's not gonNA fucking. Everything's a strike when he's out. It was like all I know I. I think I used to be like I want sons or daughters I wanNA teach them sports, I hate sports. I do not want my kids playing sports. Shade playing t-ball. is so nerve racking I fucking hated. Like do you think that's what it is you think the nerves turned into anger. You get so nervous and you want your kid to do well, and then when they don't, you can't you feel helpless. I mean shades walking up to the plate as a fucking four year old hit t-ball we said it was it was she's in the field and I'm like, please don't. Anything where you're like alone to you know what I mean you all eyes on you please do well, I hope they never play sports. I don't want any of my kids playing sports. It's terrible. Yeah. Keith and fucking play. We've always talked about that. I, want him in theater company absolutely I need them to start fucking dancing. And I'll send him. The hip hop was shaking dance away. That's that's that's the life for me. I'm not trying to do any fucking Fox sports sports the worst we got a couple we have. Maybe the best interview. We've ever done. With mark, Cuban because and say that we say that a lot this is the best is the funniest I mean it's decidedly the only billionaire we've ever talked to you right talking to. During the. Shark tank is I don't think we did no I don't think I would be surprised if we've got another billionaire on the roster and you wouldn't know it because he is like I mean he's exactly how we're expecting to be like, wow, mark Cuban's nice. Yeah but. I didn't think he was going to be that chill that normal. He's just a regular dropping mother Fox Shit doing donuts in the Red Square right and like what'd you do with your money fucking party? Eighty it you know I love you is honest about it. And we'll talk about it after the interview but. He you know he spent his money in ways that I think were made up for him he he is unbelievably cool. I'm probably in the doghouse though my mom loves Mark Cuban and she wants him to run for president desperately she's like, why does the Mark Cuban run? He would win Macaws it sucks being president. Billionaires owner. He's having fun right but I thought I mean. I. Did. I say this on the Air I don't think I did like I I was worried about talking about political topics with him. And like the China stuff yeah. Because I thought it was gonNA that's where the conversation was going to go. So I planned on bring up like my mom wants he'd rubber president. I was hoping to maybe get him on the out just give a little shout out like Kathy and none of that happened because we're talking. Booze and Bush. Sorry Mile we weren't talking about you or about. fucking, Russian. So. Unbelievable interview with him and we also got our boy Jimmy Yang who is made it to the top as a leading man which I couldn't be happier for a guy. He's like he's like grown with us. Yeah. So He's gone from bit character to the best friend. He was definitely one of our first interviews for sure and I know wasn't time now me promoting book on how to American? That was I just us a strip club Dj fuck with this guy. So two interviews, of course voicemails of course, we got our missiles. We've got a bunch of those today but I. I Jon. I'm caught up in the world of talk and I need you to throw me a lifeline but. It's brought you by TV now I bet I bet you the kids on Tiktok have never they don't even know what cable is a bunch of your like. I haven't you. If you ask them what's cable box they would have no idea what that means. Now Q. Still Pretty prevalent. What's a cable box if you don't have cable? I you know keg plenty of people still have cable boxes. I don't mean those kids like when I've liked by new eight track was did you? Yeah I have one it was they were around enough that I knew what they were I. Don't think I did. I mean I definitely did. Did you what I don't even know if. Eight track is right now I don't know what attracts. Older cassettes. Dad had it so we Know. had them like fucking box. Play. Indicate. They've definitely seen Kayla blocks twenty years old. I mean all right twenty. Sixteen cutting started like five years ago? I. Grew up with cable boxes I. Don't think that's true. If you're fifty years old I, bet you don't know I bet you your family on cable or Your family had cable you watch. If you watch television. You're fifteen year old. Their parents twenty nine they had on. Cable I don't think so I've your sixteen year old you must have watched television when you were a child the only way you could have watched television as a child, the cable. TV I was ten years ago. We're talking about TV no we'll talk. 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Cable box what I can't believe you wear all the pants in your aunt. All the products that we're talking about goodness ages. These kids are. Are a menace to society they are. They they're so mean they're they've grown up on the I thought they were supportive. He was talking about that. See sometimes you just go with. Talking about Nice Tiktok kids are I was like, okay I feel like they are they've grown up on the Internet and the Internet is a horrible place and they are like like. Cut from. Iron. Forged in fire on the Internet. But Dave is is walking into the doc world and just dropping a stick of dynamite walking out and then these mother fuckers at the TIKTOK shade room to Tiktok Room they post they posted they had one post with two swipes on it, and the one post is Dave and audio of his podcast where he's talking about how Josh Richards used Nessa and all these. Just stirring the pot and then you swipe and it's a video of me. So they assume I'm the same fucking guy why because his dave talking a video of me so they're just like. The picture of Dave Right? I don't think so oh Recording Oh. Okay. You see like okay. So. Fuck this old guy that's we're both are you know it's still make sense but I was like Whoa whoa that was not me. I'm not up in here claiming that some Tiktok guy is using another tiktok girl because I want no spoke with teenagers. We said for years I don't like to even be out in the streets of Manhattan when when the normal kids are walking around, I certainly don't want any smoke come around on the Internet. Like I started just puff my chest out. Bigger than you you find. You're not afraid of you might think like mean things about me but I fucking kick your actual ten-year-old. I'm finally not afraid to tell you. Yes, I've made it. I. Don't know what happened I think. Maybe it was just not seeing them anymore for a while as of summer and be. All that came back and I was like. I'm not going to be scared you anymore. I'm not going to let you your Kevin mcallister at home alone. Not, afraid how often you'll fucking shits where my life anymore I'm going to walk down the street when. Well I'm still decidedly afraid of them and I don't want. You know what it is funny if they really wanted to and this is more like the fans none of actual Tiktok people are saying to me. But if they wanted to, they could win like any argument they wanted because at the end of the day, they still could play like the kid card like they could they make more money than me more popular than me more successful than me but if I ever liked came back them too hard. They'd like you're an old man picking on a fifty year old kid well yeah. Total lose-lose either lose because I'm actually like a loser compared to them or I lose because I'm like fighting a six year old boy. I'm completely helpless. How old is the kid? Dave does dog your podcast with I think eighteen? He's always got some of them are. Always got an eighteen year old in his back pocket. Young supple eighteen year old boy days always they're scaling down. Twenty year old and nineteen teams getting number. But. Yeah. Dave goes on and he's just like Oh. So you had more followers than that girl and the kids like yeah, and he's like Oh so you must. She was using you. And he's like well I mean I. Maybe I don't know and it's A. Dave. Barstool. Sports and Josh Richards says he's Nessa was using him unlike. The one. The one comment. That's a wise old man. Why does this old mango worry about is mortgage stop talking about kids fifteen years younger than him I'm like yes. Yes. Take your advice. I am not I do not want to be part of this at all unless I can somehow get. Some of your money by can get some that dig dug money. I want I mean I cannot believe that they've is doing this. Hand. David just told him to his face I'm using you. Yeah. I don't know that he did that but essentially did by saying nets used him. He's like. What I'm doing to. Morales me. So you know young child but. I I mean yeah. Listen you know he says that he'll be like, oh, the things I do for this company. He likes US I I don't know He. He did say like, what would you? Say where he was. Ran Out of Chittatong episode one yeah. Like we have to rerecord that podcast, you didn't have anything to talk about well, know. We're GONNA have to figure out some things on my guess what you're not going to. You're not going to figure out you have anything in common with him next by next. Anything after one hour, you're not gonNA have any one week. He's unless you start. I mean unless you starts living like an eighteen year olds, which is entirely possible is. A possibility but I feel like he wouldn't WanNa talk about living like an eighteen year old days just Benjamin. Button. Man. I I would just be like if I was him I'd be like I can't. I feel like once you hit. I Guess Thirties, what I am now. Like I got enough names in my life. You don't enough names I'm done learning new names. I don't need to know the S.'s and the fucking will hoodies Little Charlie me I. Have, the brain capacity shirk could be it I. Don't know if I don't desire also could be it. But like I've been told their names a million times and my bridges like well, we're not I think that's where you like that's kind of on your officially getting old yeah. Thirty. Can't. Your brain doesn't it's. It's not that you could. You could remember names, right? No, I can. No you know it's what you don't want to like that is not appealing to you at all like you sort of get to get into soccer and you learn Mosala and you'll learn those guys like that stuff you know but but those a long time ago I like Liverpool like ten years ago years ago I. Think he was fourteen We Are we in two thousand that's ten. So six, six, six, ten. Six years almost. Six years ago, ten years ago Oh by the way who said that the other night Monday. Night Football Sunday night football. Sunday says watching Red Zone Scott Hanson, said that the chiefs had been dominating the West for the better part of half a decade what an odd way to say a few years that's like three two to three years. The. Hit three better part of half decade three years. The weird way to say it. They've got a couple of goods. Alex with was the quarterback four years ago by the way we're talking about things that announces you're saying. WHO's the cat on the? Vikings every time, Chris Collins Worth says his name it sounds like you're saying Riley read. And if you, if you search on twitter, it's It's highly reads like. It's something very similar to atom dealing popped into my head, but that can't be it I. Also, I don't have extensive knowledge of the Vikings Roster. So Riley Reef. And everything, and so I got tagged a couple of tweets like Chris Collins worth a rally read guy. So I searched on twitter hoping that there's video of it and there's tweets for my two thousand seventeen like every time the vikings are playing in Congress on the call he says, Riley Wreath and. And people are tweeting like must be watching Riley read every night. Anyway anyway take talk. So your what is your connection with? tiktok I made one video. That, and then that's and then that now I've got then they posted this video with Dave's podcasts and I'm getting roped in people. Think I'm Dave. So all the comments on Instagram at me. Thinking I was the one who get attacked Richards. No but like it's it's I saw like I tagged you. Can't by people who know the? The mean kids are not they don't directly I hope they don't. So what are you doing diving into the comments then they're just sending them to me. I'm a dove into the comments because I think it's funny. I as long as you think, it's funny. I don't like people diving in the comments when they're gonNA have their feelings or I guess it is funny. Just getting wrong it hurts my feelings but it's To worry about my mortgage and I'm like, yeah, right right. Yeah. I I don't think fifteen year old could actually hurt me. We say that like with like the because they are intimidating then they're probably are thinking some stupid jokes like fucking just. Allowed yeah but. Like I think even your hurt me and then like a twenty five year old could hurt me I think I think you start. The. Question like what's the youngest? Kid. They can. beat you up. Yeah. Youngest key person who can. Destroy you I mean, she didn't emotionally destroyed but shea shaped like when they're so young child is different. So I mean like it's almost like. That middle. Probably where you can't hurt me 'cause they'd be like your fucking Shit like you know anything but like a four year old. Daddy you fat belly. I know that was just pure honest but that's also just funny. Yeah. So It'd be like twenty, five or four. Even a four old. fucking. You don't even know what a fat belly looks like. You got to be seen fat fat people you not around. fucking office I'll show you some fat you. Won't know DADS fucking shredder. But I read those comments for like. Hoping to be hoping for them to be mean funnier that way. Yeah. It's when it's when there are when they know you, they don't. Yeah. I guess so young that it's ridiculous that I can. I can laugh at myself when they're old enough that it's like you are just like critiquing me and like what I do and who I am and it's not nice is if you have to be my age. Thirty to thirty two to to what does it? Hurt me with words. Well you know we should all hope that. It's like no h really. Yeah. But that's not that's an unlikely case. I I'd always be hard bond like. As you're younger than me you don't even know what life is kid. You born in nineteen eighty nine. Yeah. Like you've seen a half the Shit I've seen. I don't even know if. Maybe. What if it's like a success thing? I don't think you'd be successful hurt my feelings. But I. Think some of these. If the actual TIKTOK. Were to be. Like. Probably been doing this podcast for like ten years. And you still have a walk up apartment. Unlike I've been doing this for year and I drive a four hundred thousand dollar car and I'd be like Oh fuck you know no longevity in it. You're going to die of a fucking heroin od suck. My Dick. It's not that I could come back from it. Yeah. There's definitely an handled if you've played there. So yeah, like you're a stranger of your parents are going to die cutter soon, I assure you you'll wrap that car around a tree but four, hundred, twenty, seven. Rama's you will commit. Suicide Demographic. So so there's you know there's a way to battle back from it, but I definitely think those kids if they if you have more money if you work if you do the same thing as me. It's almost younger. You get the more hurtful. You can be because it's like Oh. My God you did this like instantly you know what I mean had way more success way faster than me but also talk this aren't the same either. Generally. More, entertainment lawyer Jacob Tremblay comes on here goes to do a podcast. Jacob Tremblay fucking punching through the door. Put that really gonNA hurt my feelings which I've on different mediums here. Like it's all social media and stuff like that. Yeah. You're not on the big screen. We're both we're all using our phones and they're making millions doing whatever they think they can. They can crush me. Little fucking gets his girlfriend or third abortions you can just. Math that? Back this goes back to what I said. LOSE LOSE Little. You or you are now coming the hypothetical situation where a fifteen year old girl has three abortion. They see it might've been I don't. Think, he's an older one. He's. They range from sixteen to twenty. So either way I. Didn't know his girlfriend's and actual person to. See, this I'm pleading all of this I thought he was just picking up some trailer trash. Listening where he fucking no doubt grew walk. Talk about a hometown check I'm not talk about some other famous jake. About a Lot Lizard off. The PCH This trend keeps happening by the way. It's A. Show something had. I know what it is and I love. You are podcasting for yourself. And you may you? Some lot lizard and you're laughing at yourself. Yeah. That's fucking funny man. Love it? The asshole all these fucking kids in the ASS. The answer is yes you you are the astle. We are though we are old and so we've suffered from stress and anxiety and exhaustion. Those fucking. Kids they're just like. My Body doesn't hurt my God I love how this wet. Look at teenagers to be. Anyway in order to sleep, I need a handful of fucking. Cocktail medications. Ten, thousand milligrams of. Pulling my hair out from stress constantly. Drugs. Trump Ghaffur, the virus I need that for a bucket nap bro. Regenerate whatever right up my fucking ass. So, true man. Like I would love to sit down with two kids. Body starts to try. to I thought. You were the fucking post Christmas future. I show my high school picture used a look like. Well Fuck enough. Young. It can be you. There was a time without little fucking rick thought he was invincible too. short-sighted magic shorts. fucking choker necklace. Yeah. I was a piece of shit one in my life. Don't James You just put on weight. Lights shining tears. Stomach. Fat. burning. Saw tiktok kids they don't need he'll we do? We do brow this the talking points here literally use the phrase living in a constant state of. Exhorts. Be Back. Think, we almost give that segment. Holy. Okay. Okay. Most people think that living in a state of stressing Zaidi and exhaustion it's normal but it's not okay. It's time to defend our wellness with he'll. 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And by the asshole for telling my mother-in-law to stay in a hotel room after she put, he'll men feces on my kitchen table. This guy this guy just go to fucking read slash got a good story you. Know. You're? Not. GonNa. Believe. But let's see. Sometimes you'd never know, I've had an ongoing issue I. Love that too Peter Griffin and the chicken. Got Battle going with the mother-in-law. As most women do these days how she's a Guy Yeah me too intersex. Sorry Julie. My father. My. Father in law got sick passed away months ago she's been staying with us while figures out how to move on with their life. Right? I'm already there's already a little mitigating circumstances she's dead and alone he's done alone as much as i. feel sorry for that uses this as an excuse to be rate others in salt my kids and just being all around slob without repercussions the other day she clogged my husband and is toilet. Now we've asked that she share a toilet with our kids because we have a small house going two bathrooms and my husband and I don't want anyone coming into our master bedroom's use our bathroom. That's pretty fair reasonable. She has been stubborn about this and keeps barging into our bathroom to use our toilet at all hours of the day and night we've had to start locking and barricading or door because she will try shoulder ramming her shoulder into it to force it open. This bitches fucking. Enough to let alone you're fucking kicking in doors go. Seriously go join the police force for God's. The other day. She used our toilet and clogged I asked her I mean, this is this is a big Bertha is a big woman. You're knocking down doors and your clogged toilet shits. I asked her to use the plunger next to it and fix it because it's gross and I should have to do that again pretty fair requests she used the plunger but cursed at me the whole time and called me a lazy housewife I work from home I pay eighty percent of the bills when my husband does Gig work right now was that mean Gig work I'm gonNA guess it's a free like No I was GONNA say Like, a grave design. Okay. It's I. Think it's the thing on Craig's list. It is like odd jobs like come. Move my couch twenty bucks. anyways after a few more instance of her clogging toilet perhaps on perfume as instances of. Purpose. Imagine just sitting there like clogged this. Toilet papers. Twenty eggs breakfast. One day she clogged up real bad and I could smell it from the hall I said, please Unclog our toilet she gave me a smirk went into the room and I thought she was fixing it fixing it I go to the garage to put away some stuff I, come back into the house and her feces on our table. She told me that if I was so interested in her bathroom habits, she would put it on display from me I kinda like this woman is so fucking crazy at that point. I was so disgusted I felt like I would throw up. So I grabbed her stuff from the couch she had been sleeping on and threw it outside and totally joking susie stepped outside. I, locked the door and called my husband said she cannot come back. My husband said, I overreacted and many other relatives are posting on facebook there you go that I'm a monster who kicked out a widow but the woman put human feces on my table despite me my husband also refused to kiss or hug me and been given me the cold shoulder. My kids are too young stand on the they think on the monster that kicked out there Ami. I mean, could you imagine living in a world where you're the only one? That is this like emily does need to exist that like that poor woman was like, wait a minute. Here and the. Rest of the eight billion people in the world come running around be like, no, no, no. The seven people in your world are fucking idiots i. mean the only way that could have gotten even remotely weirder is if she's shit on the fucking table out of her asshole. Book in like. Up there just fucking sterry you do the dishes. mother-in-law's. Shit on her heels. Look at me. Is. The took. Rookie to the backflip off exactly man. I mean obviously the fucking I fucking. Don't don't buy wouldn't kick murderer. Like why don't you let her back in poisoner? You GotTa? Do you can poisoning an old person? No problem. You know what you gotTA. Do is like tie her down and She's got on shit to death joe her with with their own shit. Yes. Put fucking scoop it up into one of those ziplock bags, and then like icing squeeze it in. That's for I was crazy specific. But Like, definitely, just live with her and poisoner just. A little bit like no one fucking. How how Diet fucking old age slash I suffocated with a pillow GRANDPA died and they they were in love and they've died to and they're like. Like fixation? No No. No, it was a broken. Carbon Rogan our. Throats filled with shifts. Where there's The moment she kicked in my door to take a shit in my room while I was asleep. I would have started plotting over. Concoct this. LEGIT throughout without making it up for right I'd be like clean that Shit, then get outside I use all her blankets sleeping on the fucking couch with throw it out there. Now you're homeless and you go right fasttrack right take all their clothes or something. New. I mean it's stunning that people were like well, also fucking I never understood this. Luckily, I didn't grow up in a family where like that was a thing like having like Nana's now I was gonna say what shitting on table. But. I would be like. As a kid I just throw my whole world. If your grandma lived. With. This now. I gotTA deal with this lady kicking in doors and shit well, logging the toilet regularly I think if your grandmother is Godzilla. Yeah, it's a problem I live with my grandma. She was a normal ass old woman she just rip CIGS. All. But I didn't have to deal with her shitting on titles. We had a big family so I had enough PA. You're good. There were six of us. It's like we're. Live they literal gargling? Problem. This one. We didn't initially discussed but I love this I love this move so much not only is this guy not an asshole he's a revolutionary MIT asshole for proposing to my girlfriend with a vital violate the grandmother those she deserves to die is hilarious. Oh. Yeah. I mean this smirk like Oh. Yeah. All right I got something. Like. fucking doctor Allen whatever and bugging drastic part. Reaching all the way and. fucking FRY that a bitch I'm hungry. AM The asshole for proposing to my girlfriend with a video game relic instead of a real ring. My girlfriend and I met in a Skyro- mean page in two thousand fourteen we've been together for six years. skyro-. Skyrocketed I've always said serum. skyro- Garam Garam. Fanatic it makes sense but last week was our anniversary decided I wanted to propose since we met via Skyrock I thought it would I thought I would propose with the amulet of Mara, which is a symbol that is someone is ready for marriage. She doesn't really wear jewelry or anything is never shown me a ring. She likes a when we've talked about marriage. So I thought it would be sweet. Have something that bring us together I, mean, this is brilliant move Mr Great Loophole this is something this is our thing together it symbolizes you're ready for marriage you don't even wear jewelry you're not into it she shouldn't want some big. Rain. Yeah. You shouldn't expect it I sat up this whole ping favorite things when I proposed she looked sad and said what about a ring I told her I thought the annual of Marah was sweet because we might be as Cairo. The other day she sat me down and says, she thought the amulet was very sweet and she liked that she wanted to go shopping I told her I already bought a necklace and I don't see the reason for a ring. Since. I didn't propose with one. She said, she appreciated this week gesture, but she really wanted traditional ring I mean. You know. Sorry Bitch now for everybody. See I think he's the Assaliya year. He's also a revolutionary. He's like sweet shouldn't be like fuck this. What are you say? It's Also like ring. Yeah. I think that's fair. It is crazy that again, we don't talk about it plenty of times it isn't saying. The whole traditions tradition is wild, but I don't know I'm not a fucking revolutionary I'm not a trendsetter I'm not A. Guy Is GonNa. Buck the. This guy, this guy, he's GonNa Cave and he's going to get her the ring. But the next guy who read this it's going to stick to his gun. The Guy After. That is going to be like not only bitch. You should like this and maybe one day down the road they're going to look back to this guy who proposed via the amulet of Mara. They're going to that guy changed the game forever I can see that that. Start somewhere you know also if I was her. I'm just taking it. Taking the ring you're not. You're not GonNa us. So you could give me you proposed to me like you personally with a spit in my face and said, we're getting married. All right. All right. The lack of self. Are. You watching the the haunting blind manner I have not my had not seen hill house. We finish the house last night. So I imagine we started by manner tonight let's put a pin in this something I want to talk about in that but I don't WanNA despoilers. So. Just. Remember that okay. by the way this guy proposing on the anniversary. Great Move to birds. One stone in. You'll forget your know the day Oh. That's true. Well though. What Does that ever happened that happened I feel like that's just a movie trope I never encountered it but I'm saying I've also never been told to like remember the day I proposed in. Universities, birthdays. Like. You don't forget you throw something bad. Know you completely forget them? You wake up on your fucking girlfriend's wife's birthday. Fuck forgotten birthday anniversary for sure. For sure. After a long time to, but I feel like the longtime repetition gets in. The first year to you forget. Kind of both ways. You done it fifty years like okay. I'm fifty years old though this day. Well, what do you think about on your first anniversary doing ketamine with? Fuck you. Twenty year old. Kid Morning? Tranquilizer tiktok kids. Yeah. They've been together for a year next week talking about doing something special. She said, she wants to do something that she's never done before and we'll remember her for the rest of her life. Now, some people might think I want to go on a hot air balloon I want to go you know bungee jumping guys like how about some fucking ketamine you've never done it and you'll remember it for the rest of your life you should know that me and my girlfriend have smoked. A lot of weed a lot of times on the last year, and even before that, we also have friends who do more drugs but we've never tried anything besides weed I'm open to trying something new and I thought it would be the kind of thing that you've never done before and won't forget pluses not doing expensive friend told me that she had a really good experience ketamine however when I suggested doing ketamine for our anniversary she lost it said that it's in an inconsiderate I. Guess. She expected something a little more romantic, but it is a bonding activity in my opinion. This is such a stone. I don't even get why you mad, Bro. Something you never done. You're never gonNA forget and it's a bonding everything I'm saying do this sounds like fucking just like totally Rad. Loose some reason she's just fucking not being cool about it at all. I will say that you WanNa Fuck in horse tranquilizer. Universe. I. Listen you can be the type to do. Special K on your one year anniversary, but you gotta find. There's for every pop bro Yeah that ain't the right girl for you. I think that I think that is the right girl for you. Yeah. Because because if the girl does ketamine with you, you'RE GONNA end up in a K.. Yeah. Yeah. You're. Without him like the silver anniversaries cocaine the in gold anniversaries votes Just on heroin no everyone does. Let's hope. What's the one that we? Just, Texas okay. Okay. This is the one that a lot of people have deemed us. So we'll end on this one. I, twenty eighth thing my girlfriend twenty six has been using Oh. This is terrible has been using my gym socks to wipe after going to the bathroom. Tld are found my gym socks in the garage in the garbage covered in poop. Asked. My girlfriend about she started yelling at me and crying and left I think we know the? I don't even know where to start with this. I'm dumbfounded just stormed out of the House and I'm sitting on the bed asking myself a lot of questions I like this guy, he's a storyteller I live pretty normal life. I thought so too. My girlfriend we've been together for a few months after things got serious moved together. We started sharing a lot of the. Household responsibilities. But the one thing she was adamant about was doing the laundry. She would come home and find me in the bedroom getting the laundry together and would quickly asked me to do something else. I come back to finish the laundry and she would say she had already started it. I, always thought that it was sweet and never done the job of moral. I. Wouldn't stop her. This is where we take a turn for the weird I keep all my socks and underwear in the bottom drawer. That's insane. In. The Barn door. That guy's crazier than the girlfriend of. Socks and underwear in the very last drawer. I agree I've never done it. It's definitely odd but. I. Mean you probably right to be honest you're God damn right. I'm running. Why because? You're flashing your asshole. All the way down. Independence. Then, that's crazy down. You're right. You're right. It was on display for your girlfriend or. Why why she's got some weird asshole thing on. Looking at yours, what you put your socks Go she calls you like she got herself Cleopatra, because you're her cat. You show her s all. You got one that went from United States to. Push through I go into my head I. I. Don't know what that means it all. Of Cats not. A heat check check. Court Loophole David. No rim. Word. Whatever nick that was talking through it and No No. No. Closer beater like twelve rows deep. Yeah. Yeah. That's. That was great. That is great I was he check? Okay. So bottom dresser boundary, I also go to the gym frequently. So I always keep a good supply of clean gym socks ready to go. I never kept count, but I'd just know by a visual glance I have several pairs. Yeah okay. This morning, I went to grab a fresh pair of pack. Fresh pair to pack for the gym I noticed there were several dress shops socks but no jim socks again, not weird. They must have just been the laundry I went to check the laundry basket and it was empty. So check the washing machine and dryer both empty I couldn't find out I couldn't figure out where all. Very natural thing asman girlfriend when an object after all she's the one the when I went to see. Okay. She went silent turned red and ran out of the room when I went after her to see if she was okay she wouldn't talk to me I told her I wasn't mad. I was just looking for my socks. I mean this chick shot herself right in the could have just been like I don't know where you're songs. Instead she was like. She kind of mumbled I don't know I still wasn't mad of course I was super confused socks just don't disappear by the way. That's. The literal number. One thing in the world at this family feud survey says. Name a thing the disappears. That's it. I mean not pairs at a time but talk sure. Yeah. So I asked her again and She looked at me and got mad and said I'll buy you new ones. At first I went through my the first thing that went through my head was she had somehow managed to destroy my socks washing them. I thought the site was actually pretty funny. So joked about her ruining my socks wrong thing to say she immediately started crying like full-on sobbing at this point I don't care about the socks anymore i. want to know what's wrong with my girlfriend I. Sat down next door on the bed and just put my arm around her and asked her she was okay. She just kept saying she was sorry that she would news. I try reassuring her again. It was okay. Even when as far to say, I would buy new socks that she doesn't have to this poor. It's just songs. I sat with her for a few minutes trying to calm down and eventually get ready for Work I. Loved Her and got my ready to leave on the way out grabbed the garbage take outside when I got outside and lifted delivered. The garbage can and there was a small plastic bag sitting on top of the garbage already in there I could see through the bag there were socks in the. Bag, since I was sure she had somehow managed to ruin the socks washing. Them wanted to see for myself I opened the bag and immediately regret my choice. They're inside the bag where several pairs of gym socks covered them what smell like poop as soon as this smell hit me, I knew it was poop one. We don't own any pets too. We don't have any kids three WHO's poop was. Son. At adblocker work could wait I couldn't go the rest of the day wondering why my gym socks were covered in poop and inside a plastic bag in the garbage. Can I grabbed the bag and walked back inside as soon as my girlfriend saw the back she flipped out and started yelling at me. She said, I, shouldn't be going through the garbage and that I was disgusting bringing them. Back into the house fair. I asked her to calm down and that I should I wanted an answer as to why there was my socks I wasn't blaming her or anything. But when she started accusing me of blaming her, that's when it clicked I don't know what it was that led me to ask this but everything leading up to this moment had just been so crazy I, asked her. Is this your poop. She started sobbing again and ran out of the House I didn't go after this time. So now I'm sitting on my bed with a bag of poopie socks on the floor and a lot of questions on my head. The only conclusion is that she used a metre going to the bathroom which that alone his own set of questions about everything else I sent her a text asking her come back. She hasn't responded yet I don't know what I'm going to say if and when she gets back. Update. Okay. This little more hanger I had to leave for work not work I throw the bag of socks. I flat out asked her if it was a fetish, it is not a fetish she confessed to using the socks after going to the bathroom I found the reason she always does the laundry is because she was hiding the fact that she uses socks to wipe with primarily her own. I had no reason to question the amount of socks she ever did. She admitted she has done this for a long time. Her reasoning is that because she's a German job. She's afraid of toilet paper will tear and afraid of getting any of it on her hands in any way she uses socks because it covers. So she's like. Well, you never done that can I be honest this whole time I was thinking of her like holding the sock I didn't think of her doing like the puppet. Puppet really yeah I was like I was like in in a pinch jam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, wasn't in a fucking house lied to by. My. Own Sake and it was like well, the way to get away with this like you just be like I i. I don't I had the laundry in the bathroom toilet paper right and. I mean there's cert. This girl had so many ways out before she should the worst liar in the world. If you're gonNA live gonNA throw a shitty socks, he'll put on top of the right fucking hit the bottom of the trash barrel sang on top of it done. So my girlfriend has a fear of getting poop on her hands. So she wipes his socks and has done. So for a long time, it could be worse I guess I hope we can have a laugh about this later I'm trying to find the humor at all but I mean this guy's a fucking. I would absolutely have to break up with her not because she's done that if somebody told me, it's almost like. Like. Crazy that we just wipe with with fucking dry toilet paper. Yeah. If someone used wipes or a day or something big, you're the weird one. You use little tissues, wipe your fucking ass I need a clock. I'd be like you know what? Makes sense so wrong no, she acted like you know she turned it into a thing. I. Think break up with her not because of behavior not because of what she does because it has you behave afterward oh I'd marry her because it's clear whenever she's lying. You're know you're never gonna live forever because you are very, very bad. Seriously, they would be. Five minutes late like no I'm not cheating. All right I mean, that is i. get it i. think it makes sense just explained that from the Gecko I'd be like that's fine. I'll tell you what might be a business idea I think. Like like maybe not reusable but some sort of toilet paper that you put your fucking puppet hand on and there's no way you can get on any fingers I I've I have ever gotten fucking poop. I've ever done it, but there is that's another movie trope of your finger going through and like hitting the ship right thinner than pay one ply or whatever it is. But boy. That's that's one for the record book. That's that's a good one. I I like you almost make like you sell them they're cut gloves and poops mittens and it's the same thing is backing socks. Your socks. We don't even have to like produce. Marcelo's was by him at K. Mart say poops and just just put. A piece of tape on it. Yeah. Yeah. poop socks. poop. Are these socks. No Putin. This woman. Unless you need socks socks and I'm sure there's a way to make it like biodegradable. So it flushes 'cause that's that's where you run into a problem I. think that's the issue is that's what toilet paper is. It's It's the perfect amount of thickness while still can like melt in the water you know run into an issue is just keeping a bag of socks. Yeah. I. Thought She'd always been fucking by the way reusing it. You're just one touch in these. All good. If you're going to run I mean that's an expensive habit. Oh, for sure. Yeah. But the like so I don't understand where her need to do laundry came from then because he's just getting trashed. Well I guess not. I. Guess She was redoing them I don't know. This bag was for sure thrown out, but maybe she was washing. It sounds like she always used her socks. So maybe this time it sounded like. They were in a pinch and like he she needs to use his and then was like ours throw throws out you're in a pinch getting the fucking shower. Yeah. There's there's other ways around the same. Ways. I've actually never done that. Don't need to like got in the shower the poop. Yeah she's by. Your hands and. Wash your hands. Straight like spread your cheeks shower or. The water pressure for that clean up I I regularly do, but it's happened before could pop in there and get on the tiptoes per. Exactly what you mean unfortunately. I think I've also done I'm done a lot of fucking horrific things with the. The I was I was visiting the Buddy in port colborne up by Toronto. He's playing junior hockey and they just couldn't even afford toilet paper. So we were just healing the toilet paper rolls. To get the car the cardboard to get a single plies output. That's the worst one I've ever done. And I did. Could you possibly get beat for like a full weekend? How many rolls they had? They Raven saving their roles because they knew. Porsche. Yeah. By the way I think I would just take a whole roll, just log it, and also like I was on vacation quote unquote I could have bought and. Why thing I would do is go by. Jesus Christ. I that's a preemptive Brigham, I'm done. I'm fine with no I'm totally cool that I am not. I. 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I am listening to your hot costs and you're talking about making. Crazy requests a when you die when you're for like last week, last of what you should do. And it reminds me that in high school I had a lot of friends die randomly car accidents sailing accident stuff like that. And it was Super Morbid by vote letters to all my family members just in case I ever died. And in my letter to my mom and Dad I mentioned my funeral plan that I wanted and this is high about junior year of high school, I wrote it in my class. That they. Throw me in a tanning bed so that I looked. Han. At my viewing if I have to. Expose I guess the question I would come from this. If anyone actually did make those requests. But because that they threw me look great voice. Sad. Aliens. Does. A dead body ten. I think yes. I didn't know what I was. GonNa say even came out I. Didn't that was just. As from the gut as it can go no brain, you had right to the line lake was the answer the answer say there was no logic in it. It was just like what word is GONNA come out logically I would think that you would need like some sort of body processes I would guess I would guess blood flow like maybe not maybe it's just like I mean you just it's just like Zap this slide I well I know what? Mailing Sunburn is. Yeah son a somber gas. Well, maybe you can't. Sunburn is your skin cells committing suicide so they don't become cancers. Cool. So if you're not alive, I would imagine they would not do that right I don't think they can do that. Again body processes are going on, right so the answer goes we researching sunburn you can't get a Suntan right I would guess well, Suntan is Melanin right coming out. I. Think I I don't think you're wrong. I, think I don't know I bet you I bet you can google this. I. Head fucking. I just have a mortician spray tha. That's the main thing. Paint you bid for a slight while after death, you could still tanned because you're Matab or this. Really is there's an answer which. Is like winding down. It's still kinda going against. Viewing you'd be out. To get like right away but the M. He's lucky to. Get her the fucking bed. People rushing you like. was about morbid like throwing up dead body into the fucking bed? CLUNK clunk throwing the legs in cutting putting the thing. Now I put an she'd be in a stand up at fucking the handcuffs. Hanging. This feels like a sunny episode. Dennis Reynolds having this be his. Did something where they did to a baby the. Baby to a tanning bed serve so far off the other end of the spectrum of live your. Almost dead because it's brand new. All right. So what would be I? Mean you you would you know pick ridiculous clothing outfit, right? No I'm getting burned. Let's say you're. Viewing of me up. The. Let's see if I were to do viewing by the way when I get cremated I wanted to be like a fucking put me on a wooden paddle. Oh. Okay. Yeah No fire, no wooden paddle Libyan, and then what like Laredo from rallies to shove me in a fucking. Me Up that way. Let's see here I don't I don't know I think we've had this discussion before like if you were a Puerto Rican gangster what would be your setup you know that's what this girl was usually make sure I'm paying I, mean looking at it and bro was that. Just like this I put me for a microphone gas. I'll do anything else. Of Note. Do buried you like in six feet where tobacco. Shovels fucking dip. Like. fucking. That's fine. I guess but like like, I'm I'm like one of those like. Like all men do is eat hot chip in lie. All all John Do. Is Lay on the couch and talk wine. That's over five preserved. You a thing of booze whiskey whiskey I wind kick lately. But yeah, typically, no, that's not for long. It's just a girlfriend thing no no, it's just it's only been like a week like. This week I've been drinking wine see Cohen has a shark in Formaldehyde as an artwork thing in his building if you were just suspend. Li I don't WanNa be like seen still. But again, this is the thing viewing. You know you have to be seated I will eventually. I was to make it clear. I deliver not real request, right? Okay. So we're not doing real requests. I would like to be playing hockey with a bear. I'll both taxidermied so. May-, maybe let me score goal move around like a bubble hockey guy as. Have a stick up your ass, and just kidding around behind you like the ice girls with the shovels I'll just be doing that with you pushing you around and I'll have you score on a how about a goalie bear. Goldberg deal go if you can get Putin they're that'd be great. I would be I. Mean You may be. I mean imagine if I was Putin for your like next campaign, you can play hockey Derek in the bay understanding I'd like him to be dead. To me, you'd have to ask him. It would be a whole thing that'd be a whole thing. It'd be great to assassinate. Putin he was studied disappeared you turned up dead played hockey with. What kind of five killer is that hey, if you could assassinate, one person would be who boy. Josh Richards. But if I Say I don't know where we're anymore. Shares I don't actually want to do that. It's just a and he's eighteen. Is Fine. What am I kill Dave fascinated him who dave? Can't be is Kansas Dave. I'm a firm believer he's not he's not big enough no, no, no, no it. Now, it'll probably not big enough either I'm a firm believer. Franz Ferdinand, you need you need. needs to be political aspects to it. Why, why are we asking this 'cause? This is fucking loaded question. I. Don't know view is about killing Putin. We're. GonNa kill pretty logical action there. All. About this I'd like to assassinate A. In America and African warlord in America, who trains in blood diamonds. Capri. Kill one American who would have been God. Boy Oh boy. Put you on a list you'RE GONNA end up on an FBI less on this one. For sure. Yeah. I think I would kill Kill Marco Rubio and take his job as the UFO. Also, feel like. Marco Rubio is the head of the UFO department. Yeah it's crazy. It's crazy town is it is I I can't kill Eli Musk. Is that political it's not super political. Space. Billionaire who influences politics you'd have to make explicit in your note why? Like this is a wasn't about my my car battery was fine, right? This is more about Roger stuff yeah. Money lobbying me and Trent will tag. We shall kill Elon Musk. Let's see. One more right. Everybody else. Would you rather young horror movies like monster movies that one character that sacrifice themselves to fight the monster. So hopefully, i. you know everybody lives yet with idiot. So would you rather be the guy that fights the monster and dies? But you don't get to watch either rest of your group played out so they might all die they might all live. So they all died like Oh fuck you know why did I by myself or would you rather just run away and you know take your chances of survival but you like the rest of the group I do like you know I thought you were going to fight that monster and help us but. You don't know you realize at the end of this question that you're an idiot would you rather live or would you rather die I? Guess you're going to say you wouldn't mind dying right but I was GonNa say Ted Cruz, 'cause I think it'd be a mercy killing. I. GotTa be like. I'd be like doctor Kevorkian like. Just the fucking saddest I the plan. I fucking kick in his front door. Delivering. We've got you about time we. been sitting here way for you every. Night you know what and not that I have a political issues here. This is not politically motivated. I wouldn't wanNA assassinated because he is such a sorry sack. He'd be like, Oh shit I'm getting assassinated I wouldn't want to give them that satisfaction thinking that he's assassinated -able picture of him on the phone at. Trump. So lying or whatever the fuck it was. Just, been, gone, wife and dog. Data Sets Champ Kate like. Please vote for Mister. These are the moments when I when I when you lay things that I get so sad that trump actually became president and it went so south because. That is so funny that he was campaigning and he was like you know what? I think the other guy's dad by to kill. JFK. That is so fucking. Cover papers. Everyone's just like what are you talking about? Do he said that he was the Zodiac killer? Kill Dan Kanye right. I don't know maybe a- like hey. Why should I vote for you? Well, the other guy he might be the most prolific serial killer history thought despite being involved in two of the more famous American killings of all time still can only land a dog that just doesn't have the confidence to commit gruesome murders, but as copper to to a girl in a bar. I'd. Imagine. When you go home that day and it's like, Hey, honey, how are you doing and it's like? Well you know, Donald Trump. Think my days go. God, Almighty. Anyway I. I'm not being the hero in a fucking horror movie, Jimmy. I. You know I think I would. Why because? We said Oh. Actually Watch strange for the first time the other night you keep saying this movie you speak of what movie what are you talking about strangers? It's. It's live tyler. Oh, like the like the hill. People. there. They have masks on bringing their house. Right. Glenn how briefly in it yes. Okay. He takes shot in the chest. Pretty quick. Face. To face whatever home invasion by. Semi they're not just like normal people right there a little bit creepy. They're they're creepy. Yes. I wouldn't say they're not trained killers or anything like that. But there there's mental warfare going on as well and I was just like. This wouldn't. Like I would just fight them. Mark Wahlberg. Really, I like you don't like they're like hiding in rooms and stuff and it's like. Well, I mean this fucking six of them so like they're gonNA find us in under the bed. Yeah. Like you might as well go down I got just. Whatever happened happened chances like but. Under the bed it's not even like, oh I'd rather live on my feet diameter like I'm just GonNa get found. This isn't the greatest. If I had a panic room and go to the fucking panic room, but if it's under a fucking fight but I think, let's unpack this guy's hypothetical. It sounds like there's a safe route and there's a lake. Now he said there you're taking your chances running. Yeah. That's true. But I think I'm thinking I mean again. I. Guess It depends I. Guess what? Kevin not very fast yeah yeah. But I guess it depends on the is it a monster? Single Guy is it like? By fighting. Going after the fucking demagoguing now. I'm going to run from that one. person. You know this remind I will fight them this video going around this week of the fucking mountain lion. With they start by six minutes. Yeah and then you see that. Your Shar Ali he went. He went off as a big animal got huge animal guy and he wrote back fucking like seventeen tweet thread being like this is why the guys actually s old because he. Ran Up on them like he was a fucking with the kittens he was walking up on them and the mom was back the fuck up and actually. Outline. Line was doing is called escorting. He was like just backup Bro, like he just kept pushing them away. I didn't watch the full six minutes but I did see the class. Is like just back up back up and then as soon as the guy got far enough white went back like he was like if that. Everyone's like Oh my God. That mental I wanted to kill you. You'd be right right. He wouldn't just keep going. He was like get away from my house or whatever and. And that dude like he was just an asshole you tell if you listen to the whole thing, I didn't listen dude, fuck you do like the way he was talking to just like you suck man but but all that being said. I don't like. Your Shara was like. I'm not I'm still sympathizing with the fucking not line the other day that-that Dude it's still a scary fucking situation scary situation. Like. You're taught as a fucking baby don't fuck with babies of other animals. Yeah Yeah. I don't even know if there's truth behind it. Never touch birds. They smell humans on the parents like. A little kittens don't fuck with them because the parents get back like, yeah you know don't delegates who children of animals that thing you're an adult going over to fucking mountain lions fucking nest or whatever the fuck they live in here and astle. What would you say like like? Would you actually have the guts or the wherewithal or whatever to do the like? Just. Like make yourself up there. Yeah. Boy that would be like my. Bad that's one where I would stare them out online and like my answer for creating you'd be Tan after you die. Just figure out what happens. Out of the moment we're. WSB. Fighter flight right thing would be I. would I'd be like you know my answer is are there any other people around because? I. Would feel very silly doing that. I'M NOT GONNA pretend to be a big monster. You can just kill me. Marissa I'm going to go out with some dignity you can just. Imagine it'd be like raw. Big. 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Let's talk to mark Cuban billionaire broadcast dot. com. Doesn't say micro solutions solutions. Yes entire guys. Areas I was eating. And you know how you start eating something and it was just like it's so good if you don't put it away all. especially. Watermelon. That's one you start going the next thing you know you've had like fifty slices. I'm just like. It was like four pounds of watermelon and I was halfway through. This is so good. Gas. Water. One of the few foods where you're talking about in terms of poundage. Put Down Three towns. Maybe for you. Or me I see I. see that Tom's you stay strapped right there. How doing man thanks how you doing I'm good. We're we're doing well. Times time Barstool has been good. I know you know your your history with Barstool goes back you quite a few years doing that video with Dan and Dave. I would imagine throughout your lustrous career that has got to be one of your bigger. Mrs Mark You gotTa have this thing for free. You know what I told him. Let me think about it. I mean, I'm surprising kick your shark tank for that. That's. Two hundred fifty mill right now cubes got way more than. He wishes he wishes. Non Happy. Have Dan. The whole crewman. Glad Landale. Hopefully, all you guys make money off of that. We're all GONNA get there. Hopefully. Backbenches not easy. No no and I actually. What you said and I think what you're criticism of it are the reason why you know you didn't invest was that it was it was it's a grind that like it's a lot of work for only a handful of us to carry and the in you're not wrong but somehow we didn't we just don. But let me just tell you something I'm already fucking rich. Do the. Need to do that. What what's it like? Like. What Age were you rich? Laid on the table. What are you say? You're rich is all relative like I remember I retired when I hit thirty you son of a big. About a lifetime pass at American, airlines and party like a Rockstar. and. So it was just like. I just remember thinking of us into bars right because that's you know that's what I would do you guys still still my best. FRIEND ROAD WE WALK INTO A bar and I remember thinking to myself I'm the richest. The fucker in this club. You know now that we deal with every rich guy, did I bought a bottle of champagne bottles from guys in a week Walker Audrey amphay. Now, at that time, it was excellent which like a twelve dollar twelve dollar bottle champagne. Joe The liberal off and all the girls knew that we're walking around drinking and. Love Love. Where was where was the wildest place party during that that excursion the lifetime pass bouncing all over the place. It's not even close. Is that because it just been drinking. Vodka. Vodka Vodka or is it like a wild? Covering space. Because they just loved American guys 'cause. So I took Russian in high school. My grandparents are Russian so I took Russian highschool so I spoke just enough to get by and I got this girl before I went over there I got this girl. To, help me with my Russian she was rushed to turns out her mom was secretary or assistant or whatever for the mayor, of Moscow, and so it was. Shitty sent me up with was. Even, twenty five years later, I can't talk about. and. Wants to one story right and so they gave me the mayor driver with the mayors of. Mercedes and I'll never forget it was October fifteenth right so almost to the day right. Because it was the first snow in Moscow which was like even early dead for them and so he took me into Red Square. So if you know what risk wears about right, you've got the Kremlin. You've got Saint Peter's basilica like this big church right and you've got Lenin's to. And then there's this big open square area. There's snow underground and he's like I can't really understand them and it's just like doughnuts. Doughnuts. Goes into Red Square. And donuts. Doughnut. Swear. That is the honest to God truth and I literally have video inside the Kremlin. So they had this like this back in the day. Video Camera and Ontario like over my shoulder like I'm a tourist, they invited me in. and. Whatever so they're going to take you know sent me up. And I'm like sneaking a video of. The Kremlin. It's the mid nineties. So is pre. Show all of Russia was a shit show and I had these videos terrified the number get knocked off and rushed to say he. Does is that's that's one of the most death defying things. I've ever heard like doing the donuts into the filming like. As, an American dangerous rich America was even scarier way that wasn't even the scariest part, right. So one of the things that I was doing over there. Was Helping these kids. FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BUSINESS RIGHT? Because there were you know always communist countries Soviet Union right and they don't know what profits our business wasn't, but they had a lot of. People and so I got connected to somebody in Dallas to this company over there and I went to meet him and they had this incredible lost office right in the cool part of town. Right next to the Bolshoi Ballet I mean just high real estate all of a sudden it's like. And the door they opened the door and there's this guy with no deck figures like as big as my face and you rings right tattoos everywhere and I couldn't understand my Russia was understand what this dude was saying. Basically, they basically said mark you got to help us stuff out of here. We gotta go now a Mafia just decided that they were going to take over that that are that office they just voted him out holy hit rush you're back then was the wild wild west it was Razi. So were you like grabbing preachers like? Everything to help them feel just leaving it outside right and I'm just like I'm out of here. Say You guys are on your own high? Window. I. Not want to know how the story go party like South Beach Mark just go so I see their champagne and girls everywhere in Moscow. It was it was crazy. I like to hear that I like to hear that you know what do you got rich fucking party that's what I did. I enjoyed it man in a rock star like a Rockstar I mean my goal was to have drinks with as many people as many countries as I possibly could and I was really do that. Like my guys would be like, okay you got that lifetime passing America's when I sold my company Michael Solutions You know we all went out and did this big steak dinner. Torch and it was one of these old school steakhouses that had the phones. You know way back when you plug in a phone right yet, they used to have this deal at all the tables like old school and I saw one of the plugs at the table I'm not going to get the phone barely can talk can I call American Airlines I remember the number because I would fly so much I'm like. Did you guys have lifetime passes and let me Connect you to the department I might they truly exist? Maybe even if they didn't I think they would have been like we'll make one from. Whatever? So I bought one cost me on the one, hundred, twenty, five, thousand. One. Hundred Twenty, five, thousand dollars or fifty thousand miles a year for the rest of my life. and. So all I had to do was show up to any airport any American Airlines flight and I can take me and anybody else is on and go and they would never kicked somebody off how shit? So. Honestly like. Hey. Let's go to Vegas right or you know just with my friends we went to Lympics Madrid, minute wherever you name it what what is the most like impulsive You're in a club you grab a girl or a buddy and you say like fuck it let's go. We went. This nineteen ninety-two because I them way back when we went to. The Ninety two Olympics the Dream Team. Shantz did that was an impromptu decision you got to go see. On. My buddy mark. Stall, my buddy mark we gotta go. We gotta go. I'm like okay. So it didn't really cost me anything. admitted. It gets even better because. We buy tickets outside we get in the set, the scene and somebody comes up had the exact same ticket and turns out we bought counterfeits really cool to us they put us in the press area. So we actually got better seats and we got to see against Lithuania was was like it was unbelievable that. I mean I don't think I've ever I. Know I know for a fact I've never talked to anybody or even known anybody who saw the Dream Team live you know it's just something. People. I got a question for you. Do you ever get sick of doing rich stuff? Like. Like like like. For the night don't understand. Like, wait wait wait wait before we get to that what's what's like the most non rich person thing you do do you still eat like easy Mac and cheese or something like that Oh. Yeah. saw like cheese grits get into the little craft thing I put a little water put in the microwave. Okay. So somebody asked me to do like let's go to a fancy dinner there was like this reported on like only if it's I hop literally I hate. The people that I have. No. Literally, we walk in I hop right now they'd be like no big deal there all the time. So then that's what I mean like when I go out just being like a dark bar just like a basement bar and got. You do that. Oh. No. I hate my I was domes people like I don't to get dressed. I don't want to deal with the fancy in this. Whole. Let me put my nap nap on your lap. Terrified. I don't know what spooner US I. Still to this day. Learn like I'm not going to drink wine Mr Cuban because I feel bad like, oh, we'd like for you to stamp or best. Saving. Twenty twenty days. Have you ever done I? Did this college wants I don't remember anything that happened afterwards but we did mad dog twenty twenty you drink half of it, and then you fill it back with vodka oh. No No let me just tell you what we did do so at Indiana the big day with a little five hundred, right It was started like seven in the morning and mad dog, twenty, twenty, two, ninety, nine applied and so the whole idea was off three. Bucks Mad Twenty twenty. Twenty minutes. And even let me just tell you on shark tank, which premieres Friday October sixteen on ABC like when they have. When we know we're going to have when they know they're going to have deals on that require alcohol. Right? They'll say, do you have limits with things where you have food allergies or stuff like that? No one gets sick but any time? If you notice when someone comes on and needs to pour wine for whatever reason. Every single time it's MD twenty twenty. Every time. I mean. That's that's blackout in a bottle right there. That is great. Bottles. You know money can't buy A. Let me just you. I did improve once I got. Better off like I started off with boom spar and Swisher sweets, and then I moved up to Md.. So a I think I already know the answer this question but I guess when people say money can't buy happiness. What do you say to that because I feel Like, if you were happy when you were poor your mother fucking happier when you're. You're miserable. When you poor, you're probably still going to be miserable the differences you don't have to stress stress levels are night and day. I've had my credit cards, cut off the lights turned off waiting in line of utility companies with an excuse on why you should take my check all that's. Just not having to worry about anything like that. Not even know what my utility bill is like that. That's. But I I guess. So you said you did have to go through those things. One point. That's the difference I think you know if you're born into it or you inherited or whatever kids are never going to know. What do I mean? I get worried about making sure my kids are not spoiled and I don't even think I need to worry about that. When you are a billionaire I mean are. There any times you are like intentionally not letting them do something or buy something. All the time all the time I make it clear. It's Not Because that is one of my biggest fears after their health, right you always worry about their health but then it's like I don't want him to be entitled Jerks and I want them to really recognize the value of work and really enjoy the process of figuring things out for themselves and things for themselves and my wife, and I try to make it really really clear to them. That's the way it's going to be. Like what are making by highly to it, but they get, they have to buy their own tickets to Maverick's games. I couldn't slack. So when you say a lot less stress. I would also imagine there's another side to it though that like I own an MBA, franchise I on television show time I have a ton of business interest. I mean that's gotta get stressful. No. No there's moments strengths I mean look it being famous just to be honest has changed over the last ten years. Yeah. You know it used to be all upside now not Only downside and so now. You know. and not me not a particular to me. It's just you know everybody's paying attention everybody else and everybody else's business and so what change traded? No, hell no but it's just things have changed and that's just the way it goes well, things change you walked by our bar in Miami and and this clown we work with Brandon Walker was getting show. As a famous. At that point I worked for about a month. So fame can happen overnight. Now it's the game certainly has changed but. You seem to handle it pretty well, man. The the NBA obviously a bizarre season. And and strangely enough on top of all the other storylines about Lebron and winning and all that the ratings. Ratings were down rain down first of all who fucking cares. But it seems like the world has in recent years ratings has become a more of a thing. Would you agree with that or has it always of been? Not Really I mean look it's become. A hot button for people trying to prove some type of point. Correct. Doing with New York over corona virus. It's it's dead. It's dead just because they want to say like. No it's not they want to say right because they want to prove a point that you know the some political point exact started with Kapernick ride and so capper nick. Ratings were down and people were guys were kneeling right? So must be because of that attention to anything else going anywhere else right. They don't look at this TV show and say right star this TV show said X. Y. Z. where their ratings and. You know a lot of it because most of our players are black, most of the NFL is black right and so when they take Stan then someone's GonNa raise hell and it's just that's just the way it is, and so you just ignore those idiots. Is there a reason you think that ratings were down just? Look there's a lot of reasons the ratings were down I I mean you got every professional sport playing at the same time. That's what we were saying. We couldn't even keep track. I. Walked by the Wait to fucking Ale on right now at three o'clock on. Monday. And they'll see us right. I even know right. Know we get into new habits. Now there's there's many netflix subscribers as our people have cable or satellite right and so all of our games are so people just have more choices writing and you get your habits and you're not necessarily breaking away three like particular before the finals. Oliver, Games were on cable and the reality is with fewer people watching cable in our audience is. In Young millennials right just loved the NBA and you see it on social but they they they don't even have the court. The court, Right. So don't have changed even cut it. You just never even fuck. When I watch right now, I don't have cable and it's just because spectrum hasn't come to set it up yet but like so when I watch on the ESPN APP on the ABC APP I counted viewer. Depends on how I'm not exactly sure. Yeah. That's Who knows? What to say it's all about politics. Horse was way down you know you can't tell me the horses were woke. Across the board, the NFL's down not as much as we were the Stanley Cup was down huge. You know baseball was down the so it doesn't matter. You Watch the game, enjoy the game and all of these that are trying to say, well, you know it's we don't want politics in sports. If you watch the game, right? There's no politics there and. See matters onto the court. You can't even read. You even know sponsored. Excuse that's also just such bullshit politics have been intertwined with sports forever, and like we stand for the national anthem before the game that's in politics. Ted Cruz try to give me shit about something. Online on twitter right and then you know don't WanNa connect politics and sports and to your point. He posted a video Muhammad Ali's. I saw that where you're like, he doesn't even understand the irony of. The hall. Yeah. It'd be like Owens running in front of Hitler. Conic moments in sports that were in. On politics. All. Three. and. The last thing I would worry about probably out of any sport is the popularity I mean the NBA it's so star driven and there's so many stars. How good does if feel when you've got a guy like Luca? I'm in like and it's not like he was a high draft pick. It's all you snuck him in the second round or anything crazy. But you know some other people passed on them and as he goes in grabs a fucking the Larry O'Brien I mean. This guy. De. All these other guy he is so unbelievable to know that it's just like Yup we chose right and we've got him for the next fifteen to twenty that feel. Technology in the medicine today. Twenty Five For a long time. Yeah, I mean that's a guy like. You would do absolutely anything to make sure he doesn't go. Yeah. If. There was no salary cap. How much would you pay Luca everything? I could. Yeah. If you said to you, I want seventy, five, million a year. Would you give it to? Probably. Some crazy reason why could've right? It's just the way. The salary caps structure the very, very top five players in the league or onto. Your maybe top ten. The nature of it, but you know what makes it work isn't just as challenged such a good guy. Such a good down Earth God appreciates everything he's gotten and knows he's got bust his ass keep up. Ahead and. Just as Derek on. He's fun to hang out with and that you know he's just own person. He really is a good guy and on the other side of the spectrum Dante West is Kinda been granted the second shot talk me talk to me about that. What was the you know the the motivation for that move I mean we tried to help to onto many times over the years. Since he last played for the mavs in two thousand twelve or whatever. But I just had seen pictures of him in a video of him Arianne hand, but it was only two miles away from my house. And so it was like, okay whatever I'm GONNA go drive around and look for him and confined. Then I'd been trying to reach his mom mom called me back and said, you know say going to try to reach you in. He did I said D West. You know tell me where you're at don't move and that's when I went to pick them up and took him to a hotel and his mom came and you know we got him into the Rehab Florida now he's doing well, not a break some news like you saw the picture I posted I sent me a picture of this morning of skydiving. Neither. We just saved your life jazz week come on that they in a bubble man. Like he's got. As part of his Rehab, the gotTa Develop Trust and. Connections to people and you've got to trust. The ultimate. Proud of look the hard work is just starting for the first couple weeks tough. But now we'll see what happens from there and hopefully stay with these guys. Why do you think someone like you? It's such. It's so rare to have an owner with such a kinship with his players like the way you just lit up like talking about Luca. Give them everything. You're actually with the lot day I feel like in sports. That's pretty rare to see the owner have that of bond I don't know I mean. There's a lot of good owners in the that would have done the same thing. I'm but I just like it. Life. You know I'm not as an upstairs. Like after I'm done here. You know my kind of clear my head my wife Takes Yoga I'll go I'll get out there and get up shots right more. We're planning wrote in regular world before every home game I'm getting up shots and I think you know so and I'm around the guys and you get to know woman. They were. I respect them as professionals and as people when you when you're around somebody that much you talk to them. It's just normal I. Wouldn't ask you to. Speak Bad of anybody to throw them under the bus but I am a knicks fan and when you look at the Knicks Franchise and the ownership, which I would say is of the polar opposite of situation like yours or Balmer or some of the owners who are really into it. What is The perception of the Knicks Franchise from other owners and yourself around the league. I like Jimmy Dolan I mean he's. Made Up. And look you know you can argue about different moves but green on Leon rose was super smart I mean Leon rose is one of the best in the business know in order to be successful in the NBA when he was in. Asia you had to go through Leon roads and so I think that move alone was strategic and smart and will pay off. What's one other thing? I'd say tomorrow somehow you switched, you're the owner of the New York. Knicks. What's the first thing you would do to try to turn that team around? I mean, Hey, Lucas, every five million. Kidnap him. Yeah look. For three years and let me just tell you. It's not because I wanted to suck is because we had to hope to get lucky. Yeah and even when we traded to be able to draft Luka you think you're right. No one ever drafts anybody thinking you're going to be wrong. Yeah. Yeah. No, it takes luck. You know if you go down the list of top players, you know even Lebron came and went. Right. But you don't you know the Greek free. Felt fifteen. Colli fell to eleven. You know there's just you just don't know. It's more art than science. So you just got to be patient and hope you'll get lucky. All right. We got a game here. We're going to wrap up with a couple of questions. It's called answer the Internet it's questions that are fans have called up with over the years or some of the questions from the deep dark corners of the Internet. So Mark Cuban here is going to answer the Internet to get away, Johnny? Okay. Let's see. We'll go we'll go rapid fire with the here's where almost out of time at what age or moment do you officially become a Man Thirteen. I. Should say the first time. Yes. Time. Your Montilla looks at your looks at your lot stop. You'll go blind. Okay you're three headed monster and get to select the other two heads. The first head is one of your idols. The second head is a person you hate, who are you picking? I. Is. Ted Turner always looked up to him. He went hard was successful and did it right? steck? Donald Trump. I three headed monster. Would start to hate someone else just so I could leave need I hate is too strong to have that. I have someone else. Okay are you smarter than Christopher? Columbus was. about it. I hope so because he got lost right. I said, he goes to the right way. He laid it here. If you found your life was the Truman show what would you be most proud that people saw and what would you be most embarrassed about? Hopefully the way I treated my kids and my relationship with my kids. Most embarrassed. My wife was telling me I'm. Going to go. Blind. Red. Rabbit. Yeah, you could open a school of life to learn real life values thing, ray question, mark you what would you teach? So many things that we don't get taught that we should be taught instead of I think. Just. Teaching people how you know that's a great question. I think just the fact that learning is good, right? You know it's not so much what you learn it's just that you want to keep on learning things on depends on how well the kids are right right. So, let's just say they're high school kids. I mean just getting people excited about learning because that's what opens up every door listen world is always changing, and if you know if you're not able to change if you're not agile than you're not GonNa, you're not gonNa make it forward and you got to be someone who likes to learn learning how to learn kind of is. You GotTa Know How to do it right? That's literally the best fuel you can have in life I think because there's always something new always somebody to learn. Always, something to give APP, and if you just you know what this just it then that was so. Our Man. Thank you so much of the time the new season of Shark tank out. Tober sixteen Friday night nights on ABC. Eastern seven. PM Central Vacuum in really. The blast. To. Thank you mark. I I think there's like A. A small percentage chance that American Airlines invented the lifetime pass on the spot for him I think he said they did yeah. Well, you know he was like, let me like we'll transfer you over to like our. Our like that department but I was like I think that this was a thing like. like some guy was crunching the numbers in the moment being like, okay. GimMe seventy thousand dollars or whatever it is. Twenty Five, hundred, twenty, five, thousand like well we'll break even on that. It sounds like benchmark got the better end of that year. Gym Membership. Those things we think they'll never use it mark Cuban's calling up every fucking night. I want to go there that is. He's living walking breathing Ati question where it's like if you were to get a billion dollars, what would you do and it's like he'd party going to Russia party here fucking a fucking Kremlin that's snuck from sneak video integration going to the druids with again with a video camera that you can't really sneak with now we don't. Like this although he probably did have some cool shit knowing who he is. Yeah. But even he made it like an age thing. But like I don't know anybody went to see the Dream Team in person. That's a very ninety to be that old it was more to me that like. Over here yeah ninety ninety. Two is Dream Team one. Yeah. And that was in Barcelona right? I mean I'm sure there's people in Spain that did but like many Americans who are like fuck it, we're going to watch 'em Jay and the only way anyone who's been Felix outside Atlanta right right I mean that's a fucking flex. So unbelievable start boy Jimmy Young. Now he's starting in a new movie opening act was awesome. Literally, every comedian, the world if you if you have a favorite comic, they're in it and he's got leading man roles now. So he's finally broke through to the big time and it could not happen to dude. So let's talk to Jimmy. was still fellers. Lutts. Up. How we doing? Manama's Vancouver right now. Hollywood north as they say. Everything shooting here now. Yeah. Sarcastic I I think like. The Massachusetts area is Hollywood east and Vancouver's North why Massachusetts Thought Vancouver makes sense for Canada. It's all tax stuff. I guess Massachusetts gives a lot. That's why that's why the I don't know if you guys have seen in the last fifteen years or so there have been a handful of Boston gangster movies Some would say many of them and. Because filming masters like wanted to become hatred stay shot. They're Patriots Day. That's right. Yeah. Kurtze. I'm like in this, what do you got a little Cardigan working with their? Yeah, you just to keep me warm and snazzy. Audience, that your boy got a little money now. Let's go. Let's do it. Throw around that cash. So I was just watching a trailer for opening act and. Holy. Shit. There's a lot of unbelievably talented people in that movie. It looks pretty fucking good man right every turn you just get like your favorite comedian popping up in a cameo role and really shows you comedians can really frigging at. Yeah for sure. Even the smaller parts like Russell Peters parts he was so good and you don't see him too much unlike say TV film stuff. But Yemen. These. Workers out there. You gotta give Comedians a chance. If people who are hiding their emotions all day every day they can add acting. Deeply damaged people can act really well. Well I looked at it feels to me like a office space meets like some sort of comedy world, and then when I saw that Bill Burr is playing like your boss in the cube world I mean perfect job of casting right there. I'm sure he is just like the asshole boss and plays it to perfection so. Like I I. Personally, I did the cube thing before I became doing doing all this so I can relate to it but I feel like anybody who's got a job where they're sitting and rotting away at a desk is going to be able to relate to the idea of getting out and doing something cool and creative. For sure anyone who's ever thought about or is pursuing their dream you gotta sacrifice what when is that time to kind of say I quit and sacrifice for something you love. So hopefully that resonated with the audience and this will be just takes you to kind of like the bowels the back behind the curtains of the stand up comedy club it all happens over one weekend. Oh, I'll get to see really what happens on you know what does the Thursday show me? How is it Friday? I show late show how to try new material what happens when you bomb and in the local radio you gotTa do to promote and sell tickets all these like really crappy stuff that happens being a stand up comedian but we still love it. That's why we do it right was it Do you think it is very true to the experience is it like you know kind of dramatized at all or is it like this is really how it goes I think every one of those things once I got to stand up, comedy? Club at all happened Steve Byrne who wrote and directed it, and all of those things extremely relatable I think any comic that's been on the road has experienced Kinda Weird club owner than crappy comedy Condo. Waking up six am after drinking 'til two radio to promote an embalming and then people kinda give you the time of. and even degrade stuff like opening for heroes and finally finding a good set a new joke. It's also true at all. Honestly felt like half documentary for me like how many have script and really behind the scenes look and honestly. I did a little bit of material on there. That's actually my own material. and. Then there are some newer written material that's in the script cedric this summer, his very old material also I think and Whitney, did a little bit of material. So it's interesting. It's almost like we're all playing a version of ourselves twenty years ago. Yeah, right. What's it like being like? You just referenced Cedric and Whitney Talk About bill a little bit earlier like. At one point in the trailer, there's a list of just like. Everyone who's in Elisa Peters ever everyone's in it. What's it like being like your the star is going to sound so happy you start. Rain that's. Why Dude not so long ago maybe five years ago right I didn't have enough clout in the standard comedy world. I haven't done my special yet and I will try to sneak into the comedy store to watch bill to watch Whitney you know and the dog I wouldn't even let me in. God to be kidding me. On. Let me in. I know I know I know Bobby Lee, please. But it just so special to I mean not even just be a start movie but like Kinda, hang out with these guys you know. Whitney I've met before Neal Brennan who's in a movie I met before but a lot of people like bill briefly met but finally in the work him and like every week in this movie, like cedric was their. Home Movie. But like one week, it'll be hang with bill burr and then the next you'll be hang out with Whitney a neil and Jermaine Fowler and stuff it was just like the best green room experience ever and now I can you know hopefully if they don't mind I call them friends and that's Kinda cool hopefully now, they can vouch for me to get into any comedy. Who is the scariest? Wad, because we interviewed bill were so scared. We've probably have you're bill like seven time. Now he's openly like you guys are cool like you were friends and every time I'm still like fuck it's bill. Like I hope you, I, hope it on some stupid the frontal. Bills very, and he's actually extremely professional like I think comedians when it comes to acting like a lot of us a kind of green or like just getting into it. You know when none of us are like John Malkovich but bill has that old school actor vibe. He leaves us phone and the trailer these focuses chatting but like when he's on his awning and never misses a line so like that was I I wouldn't say intimidating but that was like, wow. So good as landed up and an absolute professional we talked to him about Kingston Island I. Think there was an era of like you really respects what actors do and I feel like. He specifically has mastered his craft and now he's doing something a new one and like realizing an understanding that he's the rookie and like you've. GotTa Pay Your Dues, and you got to do it the right way and he's not in a position yet to be like fucking around onset. It's I think it's a level of respect because you guys go through such grind to get to where you're on comedy too. Yeah and I think a lot of comedians go into acting like fuck that I can go tour make like millions of dollars I don't need this shit and bill absolutely respectful of the whole acting thing which I love acting so much as much as standup route so. That was really cool. I loved seeing you as the star. That's awesome. Man especially with that son of a bitch cannon. Take a back seat now. There's a little bit. I. Mean I feel like it's been a long time coming. It's very cool to see you be like the the the focal point is awesome. It's excellent I mean. Yeah thanks to Steve Burn for really believe in me you know and the role wasn't even written for an Asian do you know It was the roles name originally was will O'Brien shes? Steve Burns half, Irish half, Asian. Half Korean. So I guess one what is Korean side eventually. So that was really cool that they it wasn't a ethnically specific role and they when would you boy and Vince. Vaughn and Peter Billingsley produced a movie and they were like, really you know behind me also which is. Awesome. Vince Vaughn when that popped up trailer is like, Vince. Vaughn produced by Vince Vaughn like. That's a fucking monster move for you Equality to everything produced by Vince. He doesn't small southern. Fun. Story, about events was So he came on sad and like I said visit is used to produce her and I was like, Hey, vince was saw man an about to say like not nice to meet you when I see actually met him once before but he's a hey, nice to meet you. Yeah. Nice to meet you and then one of their first. Time. Yeah, we're just so grateful you part of movie. You know we really stoked. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool and I, totally, I was like, okay, don't tell him. I actually met him because the first time I met him I was more or less a glorified extra and this movie call the intern ship with him and Owen Wilson. I know it I played. Yeah. I played a ping pong player at Google playing Pinochle with Vince, and it was so embarrassing and I didn't do good like acting Wise Ping, Pong. Like straight up like my second acting role and I got. Cut Out of the movie. Rightfully. So he didn't remember me and I still haven't told him that I actually met him on that movie 'cause I don't want him to be like Oh fuck I that guy. What was it is too late now, brawl I mean you know I see in the moment, but she's already done. So fake my face with bobby lease? What else is going on man? How is I was quarantine life treating you and what else is cooking right now. It was kind of wild eyed just focused on writing a lot when I was la So we talked last time it was during quarantine, right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah. That was. Actually I came to Vancouver to shoot something actually I'm a leading this Rav com now how about that? Here's this. Rom Com. Is Rolling. Kata, he spots show. Me Mia Nina Dobrev. I. Say, like this in the opening act also your girlfriend is two fucking hot. That that's very unrealistic in that movie. I. Would say that this. Guy Insurance at a cubic goal and Debby Ryan is my girlfriend that was that was that was. A casting debby Ryan Yeah Dobrev I mean forget about the money and the accolades in success. Let's do it. Are we getting sexiness up these movies or what Jimmy? Well. I guess we'll see. It's a really fun movie It's a Netflix come I think people are gonNA. Enjoy those things like killing it on. Exactly what they're doing. That kills it. Also, you saying killing it just reminded me of your Amazon standup where that was awesome and great on Amazon and it's also Got Millions of views on fucking youtube. Yet, got me trending on Tiktok I got a million and a half tiktok followers. Now, I'm basically the guy drinking juice on his long. I feel like grow your. Complaint had been like engaging in. Tiktok, have you been doing it because I? Feel like you would be good I actually hire a kid this Asian kid in Utah. Shoutout William. Pepper. That's that's Asian Kim named William. Pepper. Early. His last name is William Chew and means Pepper Vietnamese or his family just changing named William ever. Really Nice Kid at a helps me on my Tiktok and I've only ever done one dance but done dancing. Did the savage dance though. Did you really thrown it back? I did this girl this girl wanted to tick tock. Yeah Okay I'll do it You know just impressed this woman. Also. Hey on what's this? What's the thing but what's the dumbest thing you've ever done for a girl and is it to talk to? ME. I don't know how much. The second. Thing that I second dumbest thing. Oh. Man One time I was like so into this girl, I, I brought like Thai food and like one of those coconuts to her house. And it was just it was just weird like how old are one of those Kokin? Yeah. I'd never heard of that highlight tie thing. No the those like something she liked and it was supposed to be sweet but the turn out to be like it was it was too much like you. Man. Coconuts at least how how old read this this was two weeks ago. It wasn't it was a few years ago I forget how long funny. When you think of like that sounds totally good on paper in your heavily and you're like, yeah, this is going to come off as sweet and considerate, and then it's like wait a minute I just I just came to your house the fucking meal like here you go. Super Weird that sounds very normal. I brought food Z. And watch a movie. Yeah. That's but then I mean and it could have gone well, I feel like that issue could have. That, didn't go L. is why it's. WACK. It might be on her maybe she should have been more accepting of it. Bet She wishes she did not your boys are starring leading man but but I feel like you know in the moment when she's like, Oh, I, already ate and I'm busy and like you can't just show up at my door fuck was yeah I was risking like maybe she's banging another guy. I don't show up randomly somebody's. The Draft Salads Salads in Growth Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to do a ROM Kamu. Pitch. It's actually wrong comes fault like I've tried to do a million Rom com moves because I've seen them in Ron come from comes, and that's just not how real life works out how the world works not. Now like you know you, you would send a tax store, pick up the phone first before you showed up somewhere or you like all the natural. Things that you just that you don't see in movies are like Oh yeah. There's no surprise. There's no bromance because it would be like, no dude I'm busy I have to go to work. You can't come over and say fucker that whole idea is gone from from fourteen to eighteen. All I did were grand gestures and I had my heartbroken every single time. Don't have emotions. has there been a change for you. I guess maybe th this has to come out first and then the ROM com drops as well. But have you felt a change in your life professionally socially. Family wise all that Shit. Yeah I. Guess Professionally. Yeah. It's been like a steady climb with space force with the comedy special I did a comedy special has been very helpful even acting careers. Now, people really get to know who I am. You know before hiring me. So yeah, I'm getting some on my way and stuff, but just during his Co. but time it's tough man you know and I'm just really focusing on some writing you know creating some films TV whatever that may be. You said that actually I waste sorry sorry to interrupt you. You said twice the writing thing. So how does that work I don't understand that like do you wake up in the morning you have like a set time for writing. I, right when I can you know. I haven't been writing stand up because I can't perform it. It's hard to write an vacuum. When it's done? Cohen and he can't go out and perform right Sto- I just been focusing on like a CO created this one show that said a network now, and then I wrote a book that I'm trying to turn into a show road. Work on a couple of feature script and also jamming that writers from Space Force. That was a great learning experience. Also, that was another bomb squad cast man you. Had made hitters you know from from funny guys all the way to John Malkovich it's just like Holy Shit. You are with a WHO's who you are really rubbing elbows man with the cream of the crop I'm trying. But you you know what's funny because he asked me socially socially nothing's changed. I was I was GONNA. Ask You are the girls you're getting hotter in real life or in your movies. Great question you're Ooh I yeah. I was maybe the the movies because. I don't think it's my onus. Courteous. But I don't think I can land the Nina Dobrev yeah well. Yeah, that's not. Like she's I will feel insecure around you know. Listen maybe right now, but you're an actor you gotta start playing the part you gotta walk in there like yeah. You should date me. You should be insecure around me. All right on Jimmy Yang exactly well, and also I guess. I don't I don't really care about celebrity like like socially that's I hadn't changed like sure maybe if I get it on some guest list on a club or something, but I never won clubs anyway. So that's the thing I think the people who really like their movie comes out or their album drops or whatever it is that they make it to number one blockbuster whatever. I think you also have to have that persona and that lifestyle already in you already have to kind of be like on the club scene and now you can get in but you're already one of those guys. I don't think you can just become that person because now you have a hit movie it's like well, I'm still type of guy who like I don't I watched like play video games at home like this is what I do. Yeah. It's fame and money has been really wasted on me. I still just play playstation my buddy. What's what's your average average night? For you. When you're not working not right and you're just GonNa hang you GONNA do. So corny away lay I had a bubble just like four friends now that will come hang out barbecue I'll cook something and then at night I'll play ghost a Sushi mulling over watch some boys alike, you know when their sports when NBA NFL came back that was awesome that kept me busy every night. I remember those one night, I think it was like Wednesday to nfl no playoffs and I was just I didn't know do myself and I got depressed and I just started drinking. So that helps I was going to say and then all of a sudden you weren't depress. Yeah, usually. Are. Your Boys. People you've met like. Are they from long time ago I'm always interested in the people you knew prior to. Making it or in the industry or are they people who are in the industry? Yeah. My best friend is still just boys from high school. We still do the same shitty. Yeah but I would say some of my closest friends are the Asian Community in Hollywood and mostly like my boys from Crazy Ridge Asians we still like close close friends even like Rahm Ronnie Nonni Chang, remmy he like those guys whenever they come a from New York from Australia where the first people hit each other up you know what I mean. So all of them really close crazy James by the way maybe Christ three times. Yeah. Always thought that it was three times that is too many times to grab. It was crazy rotations to coming out. That I, don't know I. I. Mean I'm all about it. I would off doing I. mean there has to be like the way that it ended. They clearly I would hope. So it's based on three books. So it's perfect for trilogy you go. That's the studio development process I got nothing I've no power over that. So speaking of crazy rich Henry. Goldens in in that and then when he was in what the gentleman I think he had pizza review with Portnoy and I know he did yeah. Yeah. Well, like the whole cast did. It, was it was a whole bunch of them right and but Henry was pretty sober. Yeah. Yeah. He kinda he like was he pulled Dave aside and started talking about like some of the inner workings Barstool that like. You got to be the guy who had to be in the know bar to know some of this shit he was talking about. So he's he was deep in it. You're the person who I remember. You were in on the Portnoy pizza reviews. Came in one by everybody. Now you got your own thing, Cook it on Youtube right doing your reviews. So I I was trying to you know it's weird I just put my old stand up videos up and I put some clips from Amazon on Youtube got millions of views and I got like four hundred thousand Youtube subscribers things that a kid would really dream of right like Oh. Let me try to monetize this but I don't know what really to do. So I just posted some cooking videos and I got some traction, and then now I'm in Maine coober shooting something can really cook. So I just started doing like food review videos a very much like your boy give it a low score and Stuff and mostly it's like Asian food and it's almost like a Muck Bang I ordered on a food. Yeah. What is a muck? I've Seen Bang a million times just eating a lot of food I. Don't the history of muck panel, the INS and outs of it but I think it started by like a Korean of lagers. It's very skinny person usually sometimes a very small hundred pound Korean woman will order this massive blow of like soup with noodles or like some just an insane amount of food and the point is to eat it till the end. So it's a little bit more they don't. WanNa. Talk. Just keep eating eating. It's it's almost like watching Kobayashi. You know. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't actually know if he. If he wasn't fast that eating food. Yeah just slow. You're not doing it like you're just sitting there. Yeah. I think it's like two hours and. and. People Watch IT I. Don't know why it's very comforting. Apparently a we saw the first one was some sort of Asian dish, but then it was like shrimp Scampi and Pasta Bolognese I think it was going to be just Asian food but you gotta you hit everything. Oh that yeah, that was my cooking stuff. Yeah. I just love to cook and it's actually like super easy and I think dudes like our age don't really ever think about cooking you know just are either the old school mentality. Oh. We never thought we could especially even like college kids but like dude, it's actually super easy like five minutes you can make an amazing shrimp Scampi that a college could win the fourth pay thirty dollars. It's come on. Come on that's not true five minutes. I mean you got hooked up the Pasta takes ten minutes all our ten minutes. We're going to do a little answer the Internet here you remember that you play with us once. We're Kinda just rolled it into the podcast. It's hard to do during quarantine but Do it it's answer. The Internet with Jimmy Yang back once again. How do you get out of accidentally sending screen shots of your texts back to the person who sent them? Oh, you know what I mean. So you text me something ice cream shot at I mean to send it to John but I send it back to Jimmy what do I say how do you get out of that? Oh, I would just say it's an accident right I think they went up to it. Yeah. Because unless you already texted like look at what this four say on a piece of Shit then you might have a problem. What if what if I would've him accident I would just be like Clearly what you said is insane and. If. You said something really funny or cool or whatever. But if you said something that I'd like horribly disagreed with and it's obvious. That's why I'm sending it back. Yeah. You just have to cop to it and be I. Think you have to come. Of. It like look we know what happened here I don't even really like you as a person. We we went to middle school together. That's the only reason we still talk at thirty, thirty, two year olds. I was sending that to our other friend who also hates you to prove what a piece of shit you are, and then maybe he did it wants to guess we were trying to get who. Is a pretty like private person. So like really not what you what he wanted to be seeing and all I was doing was sending it to our producer being like, oh, he's. He's down to come on the show but. I swear I wouldn't send any or other techs around it was just it was just a book this I swear, but that was so he did straight up top of to you like I'm trying to send your text somebody I would say it's an accident I pressed the wrong button and I was trying to send you a picture and then I'll send like a cute picture of us. You have a second picture on deck. Yeah Oh, I meant to send you this. I pressed the wrong one, any screen shot ha ha. That's stupid. I just keep it all. That's that's good enough that they would say ha okay played. No, you rely one hundred percent, but that's in this world is. If we've learned anything just like deny it and keep keep the conversation moving in the personal like, okay. Whatever I guess we're talking about this now. As long as you have to come up to it if it's like circled and highlighted and you know. What is your closest near death experience. I feel like you've probably got some of the Strip club days or on the come up I feel like you've done some weird shit man I don't have too much. I'm pretty risk adverse person when it comes to like a thrill seeking sports and stuff like that. You're wearing a Cardigan we figured. Not the, most extreme. But. I would say I think when I was eighteen or nineteen I smoke too much weed or bought. We'd from random kids at the park and they were smoking Chewy, which is we laced with cocaine. So whatever we'd they might be laced with something I try to went home. Had A panic attack like my heart was pounding I. Didn't know what to do. So try to calm myself down. You know I took some advil I've tried to watch some porn jerked off times. You know took a shower and my heart was just pounding and I didn't know what panic attack was I was eighteen you know. So I just tune into some sports center and was staying my dad's place and he was in the other room. So I was like, do I knock on my dad's dorm that I smoke some weed and I you gotTa take me to hospital or do I just asleep the sports center in the hope that I wake up the next. And I mean. Luckily. I woke up. I got to you got three things. A lot of things. One first of all it's hilarious that like porn really is the cure all the. Jerk off like when you're hung over and got it off of poison out. Until after you jerk off, you're still fucked up then you know something's wrong me she. I WANNA EMMA studying abroad in Spain, and this was a sitting on the steps of a church and was like, Hey, guys. WanNa hit this and my buddy was like we were both like, fuck yeah and we walked up and my buddy hit it first and he immediately dropped the pipe and walk away and he goes nope not we'd not. We'd let's go. Ask. And three, my first panic attack. I was kind of doing a similar thing whereas like all right I'll jerk off see how this goes dope that's not working. All right. I'm going to go to the hospital and I went to the hospital in New York an Uber to the hospital and they were like. Dude, you're having a panic attack. We like fucking. Here's a bottle of water go sit and. We're dealing with a gunshot wound right now but it's good that you knew at least found out. It was a panic attack 'cause for like a year. I just thought I had a psychotic break or something I've my heart has an issue. I love the idea to like I could talk to by parents who love me and will probably help me through this but I like embarrassed and a little bit afraid. So I'm just going to close my eyes and if I die hopefully I wake up. Yeah. Exactly If. You could have a coach from any sport or any anything in life could be acting stand up what standing next to you coaching you as you have sex, who would it be? Why Felt just the nature of that question I would prefer women standing there. Okay. That's twist. Very smart Dell right I don't want I. Don't want Bobby. Knight. Screaming at me Bill Belichick. Weird. You know. I would have to cease new. I'm with you on Bobby Knight I. Bet, Bella. Check knows off now. You see bill bill fucking girlfriend that doesn't mean he fox I. Think he does I don't think Bill Belichick Fox also you. Know, no? Check dickey. Yeah, he does. Spill feeling honest. The bill belichick Fox better than. Brad Pitt. Yes you yeah. I'm a hundred percent. Sure of that. By the way Brad. Pitt fucks that good. You're wrong on that somebody. That I might disagree I think. I think he's almost like a hot chick who is like he doesn't need to he doesn't need to. Get in there and getting dirty with. Way. Doesn't need to Jimmy. Fallon, do I think it? I think about it every night about you. I bet you Jimmy gets down to thirty better than Bradwell. Yes. Oh. Yeah. You got. You got a lot of stereotypes to undo. Yeah. I. I can't be the last Asian guy she fucked. Astor. Only Fox. Asian. Guys. There's a lot of pressure. A. Potato you don't WanNa be the last. How. How? What was that? How Tall Are you? Five six, I, I have a buddy is like five I think he's like five four and I have another buddy who's like six three and one night he was talking to my buddy who's six three and my other buddy is interrupted her right in the middle and he goes look at him. Look at me because everything's been giving him his whole life, I'm going to have to fucking work for you. That's exactly what it is. talker home yeah. Yeah. This would you give up? Well, how does it work? Would you give up a into your Dick four? Let's say four inches of height. ooh Shit. So you could be five, five, sixty, five, ten. And then you five ten. One AK- difference if I could be six to I'll give up an inch and my Dick. Okay. So so we'll do six inches for. If you want six inches of height, we're going to do to, which is a Dick. Now can I? Couldn't. Ask. I got a decent sized peanuts but I can't give up. In order to give up to you have to. Extra Day. Zero. All right. So we to answer your question to answer your question. I think not even really coach, but if Doris Burke will be there to talk me through it. Yeah Oh that's the fucking best and I just have. there. There's one other question in the history of this game that has been retired. You are the second one going into the rafters. I will never ask that question again because there is no better answer than doors. CanNot. CanNot Congratulations. It's a big honor. Wow Doris Burke what an answer And then second pick will be if I can get to people I'll get Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. At the same time. Just kinda funny. My brain being there like bank. Zero Smith. Roy. took his shirt off. What did you think Lebron getting it done watching the Lakers when you're out there I'm happy for him. Man I'm a big clipper fan. So you. Already, broke in that number series, reminded me of that Houston in two thousand fifteen with Paul and like going out three one and losing it. So it's just been tough but I just WanNa see a story and I think Miami Amazing Story. Yeah and they fought they fought and hard I would love to see Miami win but that was a long shot but the way Lebron one he played so fricken well, and it's third MVP would thirteen. Amazing. Sixty five percent last night. Sixty five he broke. Off I actually I mean I was watching it I turn that off. So I, I, last night I bet the heat. The seahawks, hawks, and I bet the over in the hawks game all of it all of the gone. So I ended up watching the strangers because all that was gone fast. It was it was the first half of both games before I lost all of these. ended up just watching the strangers but I did not realize that fucking brandon shot sixty, five, eight, br he broke his own record but even like shack in his prime shot like sixty, two and shit for final it was a final sixty, five percent it's it's insane and then you still get like Jimmy Butler like you put up like twelve five and seven and it's like that's the difference you add he won and yeah I guess he's gas but that's the difference is like Lebron doesn't get tired he's relentless it just keeps deliver on guitar the Broncos and get hurt even though he got hurt last year but everyone knows that was fake hurt. That's this season's over teammates. Even saying Lebron was making I mean the whole team the whole organization was like Dude, just fuck. Her who cares? Let's do one more question here. Would you hook up with the hottest girl from your high school even if they were hideous in present day? How hideous like hey. Jimmy like like. Yes. She's losing her teeth. She's. Pleased she's done. What was it? Chewy. I've never even heard of Chewy Chewy Chewy is a joint with cocaine sprinkled on. Why is a culture where so lame. I. Think their different names for chew. That's what California Causes Chewy I'm not I'm not. But yes she's been smoking now for years she's hairs grows faces gross put on some weight but you know in your mind, you'll get hit like the girl the girl if she's unrecognizable, what's the point? You know I, mean the hottest girl in my high school was like a pack son model back issues hot Emily. Peterson I think what's her name? That out and can't get clearance I don't know I'm sure she's still hot I mean it will take a lot for her to be to for me to say no. Yeah. But in your description I would have to say now I love I fucking love that you can just like you knew her you know everybody. Done it. I've done this question and the answer was, yes she wasn't like grotesque or anything like that. But the Hawker of my school came in New York Oh you hit it like three years ago give or take. A life changing thing like I can't believe you still don't have self confidence. Turns out that doesn't cured either. Finally getting the girl who rejected you forever doesn't fix it but it. By, no means was like it that situation where it's like who the hell are you she's still she's still had I'm just bragging right now. How does this? Really. Hot Girl who was even hotter in high school Some. High Fives from anybody. I. Told Them I think he's ever telling you. I tell all my first on air and then I tell my friends because I was like and they're going to hear from someone else. I. Binds we'll tell them. Yeah. One time I hooked up with this girl she. At hooters She was a waitress at hooters because we used to run a comedy club at hooters and she came in like top three in the National Bikini contest. It's really beautiful girl right and some she was into me or my stanton to Asian guys. I don't know what it is. You just like me and I was nobody I was living in a one bedroom two roommates. Okay. I remember I took her home and you know my roommate clearly clean can hear me having sex twitter and apparently he was so stoked on he texted every single one nobody. Can't believe what's going on. The next day. I mean there's almost an insult like they couldn't believe what's going on because the next day I got caused from friends. I haven't talked to in years ads if I won the lottery or something like straight up, I picked the phone honestly did. Yeah picked up the phone. My Buddy Sean like hey Jimmy man congrats do. I mean that's that's that's how it feels. So right it is what they call it getting lucky. You got so lucky that night it's like you hit powerball man getting calls from friends and family. But. You're right. It is. It is a back in. It's like, what is it that farfetched? Ridiculous, early was someone. Whatever man as long as it happens, right? I feel like there's GonNa be a lot more of that in your future as a leading man. So. When you are officially ending conversations that way like I feel you're gonNA keep fucking yeah fuck. Fuck on. So you know when when Nina Dobrev is your real life girlfriend and say hi to Nina for us to and keep on fucking Jimmy. Opening act is out tomorrow it'll be on on demand you can get it. And give it a look. It looks very funny and and if you've ever watched any stand up and have a fan of anybody, basically they're in it. So go giving watch and we appreciate your time as always. Thank you. That's good attitude about. And No. Visa Mosul. Break. Arrive. Is. The sound sites. Such. June. You. Know. Some Guy Ideas, my dad works off shore the Gulf of Mexico. In one year, they found millions of dollars worth of gold gold say yeah and. Russian submarine. Gold. My bills. I guess we should like read some of this. I think golden would work though. I. Like? A think gold is okay. No, it's not. He says bills. No, he didn't say bill currency. No Gold currency we the one thing whatever he said I visited we say are we talking pirate booty and like Gills and diamonds and fired shit because then I agree. But we specifically said for our argument, we were talking about apor bills. But Thomas Belly who said, what about all the coins people throw in? When you're wishing first of all who throws coins in an Ocean I. Wish you throw coins in almost every other body of water before he throw it in an ocean and second of other collides. But he he like he if he didn't mean goal that he would've said Gold like well, he's like he's comic stuff like Prussian Francs. fucking paper money Bro.

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Talking Panthers and wide receivers with Matt Harmon of Yahoo

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Talking Panthers and wide receivers with Matt Harmon of Yahoo

"Okay. I just thought telling you to be quiet. Hermit was fine, but. Okay. No. 'cause I can't. There's no discernible start and stop for silence like our tracks silent of the same different now that won't upright just go. Three. Hello, welcome to keep sounding podcasts. This is Brian joined by John and Brad John. How are you doing tonight? Pretty well. Brian. I other than again the harassment. That's fine. Whatever for the course. Brad, how are you. Yeah, I don't like being treated like this. You're my boss utilize being treated like this. You told me to shut the fuck up. Like I don't like quiet. You tell me the shut the fuck up all the time, but I'm allowed to do that. I'm the managing editor. My job my best. So anyway, we're joined today by very special guest, NAT Harmon for NFL dot com writer, current Yahoo writer, and the reception perception expert that are you doing tonight. I'm doing really well. I hope I don't have to tell you guys shut the fuck up tonight. So I mean, I don't know. We're getting to work blue on this podcast or what this is. Great. I'm happy to be here guys. Always love to talk Panthers football even when it's sad, and it's not as great to talk about after the week we've all had. But yeah, I'm I'm really excited to chat tonight. We got a lot of our greatly appreciate you coming on. We do. We got a lot of our grievances out. I'm sure we'll do plenty more bitching tonight. Yes. So we already, we actually already broke down the game, but we do want the one of the reasons I had met on not just because he's day Brian, you just cannot. Washington of my note f again. I forgot it include that it on that. So we're not allowed to say that name so we bleep it out on the podcast. Don't believe anything else out just that. I try not to say it anyway, so that's good people hate it when we do that by the way. Sure. I think it's more of a joke than anything. I mean, s as being Asian, doesn't want us to use a vote. It's kinda the censorship thing. Brian, the only one I can't avoid saying it. That should tell you all you need to know about the three of us that Brian is the one that that can't restrain himself from. I mean, I'll be it's now on. Yeah. That Brian is just a racist confirm. So we broke down the Washington game already, but the main reason why one of the main reasons I had met on not just because he's got plenty of knowledge about the NFL in general end the Panthers, but I wanna talk about the Panthers receivers tonight as well. We are going to do a little bit of a preview of the Philadelphia Eagles against the Panthers on Sunday. That should be fun. But before we get into that, let's talk some toxin pants with that that Sam. Love it. Let's do it. Number of number one guy on a bring up. Obviously, DJ more first round pick so far has been, I wouldn't call it a disappointment, but he really hasn't seen the field that much. He finally got quite a bit of snaps on Sunday against Washington and. Unfortunately, fumbled the ball twice which overshadow what ended up being a pretty good game for him. So give us some of your thoughts on DJ more over the last few games as a first round pick for the Panthers? Yeah, unfortunate few mistakes they are for DJ, especially the first fumble on the punt return, which I think, you know, we were talking before we started recording, or at least I said that this is a team that's really not built to come from behind from fourteen point deficit. I was actually surprised they were competitive towards the end of the game and had a chance to win it. So I mean, that is definitely not a great start for him in that game, putting them in the whole, they're fourteen points was was rough. But what I liked about more coming into the NFL and y was so high on this pick when it happened. You know, he's a guy that I studied a lot with reception perception coming into the draft in actually got a chance to interview him over the like heading into the NFL draft up. Obviously before he was taken by the Panthers. To me. One thing that I was so excited about his game was, you know his his ability to make plays in space. But before that with routes to really run patterns out of the slot, be guy to create a lot of layup throws for Cam Newton, which to me, I think, you know is the biggest part of what's what's what Cam has struggled with over the, I guess the second half of his Panthers tenure in in particular offense really always asked him to make some of the highest degree of difficulty throws doesn't have a lot of guys that crate instant separation and whether by his own ability or by design, I think more is ideally fit to be that type of player as like a golden Tate plus type of guy. Obviously, that's not manifested itself to this point. It's like you said, he's hardly ever on the field which has been disappointed because I would have thought that just having him as mostly slot receiver somebody move around the formation, you could at least make use of his ability after the catch. It just hasn't really happened yet for. Whatever reason, maybe they're not comfortable with him running more outs than just easy layup patterns. But that was why really liked the selection as mentioned with Cam Newton again, making some of those layup throws more parent in the offense. Obviously, McCaffrey coming to the team year ago was a big part of creating war those, but I thought DJ would add another layer to that. It's it's just been disappointed that we haven't gotten to see much of it. But that doesn't mean that I'm not still high on him as a player or what he's gonna do in Carolina. That said, do you think that more should be playing? Yes. Abs- based on like who else. Percent thing. So I mean, last week you look at, he plays twenty-seven snaps that still well behind thirty seven for Jerry's writing forty two for Torrey Smith, and I just don't know that those guys offer anything more than competency. And sometimes especially in the case of Smith may be incompetency. I think those guys just really aren't adding anything, whereas I think more can add value to touch his when he gets the ball in space. I, I definitely think he should be playing more and you know, obviously doesn't make a big case for that with a couple of mistakes last time out. But I this often still as a passing unit really hasn't been super explosive. They're one of the five there. One of the sixteen that are averaging over five yards or more per carry on the ground, but they still haven't been a consistent passing offense just yet. This has also been a season where coming into week six Cam was on pace to set a career high in rushing yards. So I, this has been mostly ground-based offense there, slow paced unit. They don't run a lot of plays their bottom three and plays run their twenty-third pace of play neutral situations. They're not that real uptempo offense. I just think they need something of a shot in the arm, and I think that can come from DJ more. I don't know what it what reason, whether it's just plain old veteran deference, which is like the bane of all coaches in the NFL, and particularly the staff and Carolina has been a veteran deference based units. Maybe that's just the main reason or perhaps or something they feel he's not grasping, but I definitely think that he should be out there on the field more. How many do you think they should give him? Like you said, Torrey Smith had over forty snaps. Do you think DJ should get those forty snaps and Torey should only get twentyish or. Yeah, I would say that those two should probably switch roles the the problem is you wanna use you wanna use DJ more mostly slot receiver, but of course, that's normally where Jerry's right is playing was about at sixty two percent of the snap. Last week, whereas towards myth is still that number two at seventy percent. Obviously they're all white behind Devin funchess, but I think that more can start supplementing both of those players. And obviously, more interesting angle we haven't hit on this yet is Curtis Samuel like just utterly disappears from the offense which hasn't played on this year with his health condition. But both of those guys just that was what that was, what got me so excited coming into week six with this team was seeing more make some plays in space seen. Curtis Samuel be a threat with the ball in his hands like these aren't guys that you know people like us that have watched Panthers football for years and years and years. I mean, we've not seen guys make plays on their own after the route is run in years on this team, and that was what was so exciting. I think both of those guys should start to sprinkle in more because, again, I don't know what it is that these other two veterans in right, who I think has been solid. He's he's doing his job or whatever, but I don't think either of those. Right or Smith are really adding more to their touches. Whereas I think these two younger players can. It's like more are not more writing Smith Smith is at his moments of being poor, but. If they are like right now any better than more Samuel, it's not enough to justify keeping the long-term prospects on the bench. Majority of the time in, you know, without like there's, it's a, it's a low is a low Rizla reward thing while I think the younger guys are maybe slightly higher risk, but not that much, much higher reward. That's really good assessment because again, it's just what's the ceiling with these two players. Like maybe they have a slightly higher were on a down to down route two route basis than a guy like DJ more guy like Curtis Samuel, but I think you already have three players in the offense in funchess Olsen. You know if he's healthy and Christian McCaffrey that offer you a pretty high floor on a passing down perspective, like have a reliable tight end, you have a dump off option and you have a guy who can win contested passes in Devon punches and be something of downfield threat. I'll think you need to then have to other high high floor options. I think you can welcome in some of the variance of these younger players, especially on play action throws. And that's one of the most encouraging things that I've seen in this Carolina offense this year. Cam Newton's up to about twenty seven percent of his plays are drop twenty seven percent of his passes are play. Action passes that's up from previous years and his completion percentage corner. Oh, football focus is seventy percent higher on play action throws. That's a, that's a big difference. And I think adding an extra layer of these two big play assets in more in Samuel would would go a long way to maximizing that approach. It's what we see a lot of what the Rams do it in LA. You know, you brought up a good point about Christian McCaffrey and something that I've been watching. That's been. A little bit. I guess aggravating is the fact that they just stubbornly continued to keep them in the backfield passed protecting and running the ball up the gut all the time until they're like down of the fourteen, nothing, seven, nothing seventeen point deficits that are just that this team is not built to play against in my thought is okay, digit you have Torrey Smith, you have Jerry's, right? Those guys. Were you expect consistency or more consistency may be aside from the variance that you mentioned with the rookies and Kurdistan meal. So why isn't Christian McCaffrey? The guy lining up for the high percentage slant route or the hot. The high efficiency routes were Cam can dump it off to knowing he's gonna make that catch even if all goes well goes bad. It's just it's really aggravating mainly because the first week of the year they got Christian McCaffrey fairly, really involved in the passing game to as check down as a flat guy. So why isn't he the guy you're using there? I mean, there are. Keeping them on the field. Most of the game anyway. Why not? Just throw c. j. Anderson the backfield to be the past locker guys who runs it up the gut. It's just it's kind of it's kind of infuriating because they're just kind of shooting themselves in the foot because they're taking more threats off the field even when one of them is on the field because they're just making Christian McCaffrey do more of a running back until they have to throw the ball just drives me nuts. I don't understand it at all. Yeah, that that's actually really fascinating point that I hadn't even considered just looking at the data right now. The cafes run one hundred fifty seven routes. Overall, that's fourth most in the NFL, but he's only lined up in the in the slot on ten percent of his plays this year. That's you know about fourteenth at the running back position this year, which is obviously you would think that he's going to be much higher than that. You'd think he'd be up there with a guy like, you know, Tariq Cohen. It was more of again, obviously more gadget player that Chris McCaffrey, no question about it, but like you know, Coen's up there at eighteen percent Alvin kamera's up there. Seventeen percent. You would wanna. See, Todd Gurley girl is up there at fourteen point, nine percent. All these guys are being used more creatively as receivers than McCaffrey is right now. And I think McCaffrey's been probably the best part of this offense this year as a as a pure runner, as I mentioned, which has been nice to see. But I agree with you that if again, if you're gonna remove, I think maybe going forward you could have a discussion as a coaching staff that if we're going to remove some of these these high floor veterans and put in some more of the variance, these younger players that maybe we can also use McCaffrey in ways that that bring some of that floor back to the passing game. Again, I is this passing game overall has been probably better than expected it to be. Of course, everybody wants to talk about Cam Newton's, completion percentage. And I mean, it is way way up this year which I do think is about bringing in some of these more high, lower lowering down the amount of high degree of difficulty plays bringing up some of these layup throws. But I think there's this way more they can do to maximize that. So I think the passing is actually found a. Decent floor this year. Now, I think it's time to have a conversation about how can we be more creative with McCaffrey as you're mentioning also, again, at some of the younger players just increased at ceiling output from it. Yup. Me. It's like it's not even like this is all you know, just like fan hopeful, you know, unbridled optimism with nothing to back it up. It's not like I'll you can ask van Brian. I was very down on Samuel coming into the year just because he thought he played so poorly as a receiver. I know he did a decent job getting space last year, but in terms of like catching the ball and making plays with the ball on his hands last year, he was really, really bad. And that was supposed to be called understate. John hates courtesy and come back that. No, I thought it was crazy coming into this year where people are putting Curtis Samuel as like, yeah, like we got. It's like stud. Playmakers. Curtis Samuel of seven yards per catch. Fifty percent catch rate fame from his rookie season which so I was like, so it's not like that kind of optimism coming into the, but then you know, he does finally get a chance to play makes a couple of good catches in the net crazy run after the catch for the touchdown. And then it's like, all right, cool, thanks. Curtis, were you? We're not gonna let you build off that you get three snaps in zero looks the next game. 'em DJ more. Obviously the fumbles are bad, but he's making plays when he has the ball. He's have in front of me, but I know he's, he's got a good yards per catch average, and he's making players MS and stuff. So like they're giving coaching Sav reasons to play them. I don't know why that's funny. The with courtesy annual like. He wasn't a player that I put the reception perception. If any of your listeners aren't familiar with what reception perception is where I go over a six game Sambol for college players, eight-game games for NFL players and chart every single route they run how often they get open on each route, what type routes they're running. Most often of also track, you know, broken tackles after catch contested catches thing like that. So pretty much just trying to define like what roles these wide receiver should be playing and what they do best and Sammy wasn't a player that I put the reception perception because I had been burned in college seasons past, like tracking guys, like Braxton Miller that were similar type of gadget players just like not getting very conclusive data, so I didn't really put Samuel through that, but obviously just watching him play, you can tell he is a gifted player in terms of athletically. Obviously the speed is there. They had some plans for him to be like a pseudo Ted Ginn slash reliable slot receiver as a rookie. That's what you know. Dave Gettleman said that he. Out of him like that didn't make any sense. I think having him as just an explosive playmaker really does add this layer oftens and to me what I was getting excited about the preseason was this is a player that they clearly weren't counting on this year by the fact that they go out and spend a first-round pick it wide receiver. The fact they bring into veteran free agents, but then he's out there looking good in the preseason. It's like, well, this is this is the first time I would say that I interact panther season thinking. There's potential for gravy here in on the side with a player like Curtis Samuel, and I just hope that we see more of that going forward because disappointing how little there was after such a strong week week. Five. So real quick, you're kind of explain the reception perception. What made you wanna do that? And this is kind of getting a little off the Panasonic, but I'm curious what made you wanna do that. Well, there's two two fold reason here. One needed to stand out in a very crowded space of people that want to be a career NFL analyst or writer. What have you. So back when I first started writing about the NFL for my own website, I was like, well, I need something to stand out. I need a unique piece of content and then beyond that, what turned me onto the wide receiver position, obviously growing up watching the Panthers and being a fan of the team. I'd always loved Steve Smith because I mean, how could you not? And so that just always made me such a fan of wide receivers in general, really just kinda was drawn to that position. And also I think it's a very misunderstood position because you know, as fans on Sunday, we're watching games. We're not seeing most of what a wide receiver does. You know, we're because they run off screen where at the liberty of some of these goofball commentators to tell us like, oh, nobody's. Open downfield quarterbacks got no chance or this guy's run an open downfield and quarterbacks not hitting him. I wanted to go in and actually tests that on route by route basis. And I think when you're evaluating football players, you watching tape, you're doing a very. It's an inexact science obviously, and you're doing a more qualitative piece of analysis, and I wanted to take some of that qualitative realities that you're seeing on tape and actually put it into a rubric and log things and track them. So that over the years and I've now been doing this for four NFL seasons. You're able to compare guys year over year who's getting better getting worse, who's developing what type of roles fit, which type players best. So that's a long winded answer. But basically there's a lot of differ reasons why I think tracking players like this makes sense. I mean, I'm all for trying to quantify things as much as possible. I get called a nerd. A lot on cat scratch reader. A lot of just doing a lot of like, you know, success rate type stuff on like runs, Orissa's passes in down and distance type things. I think. Quantitative, like you said, like you said, it's never going. There's no way to ever make that like. Tiredly quantified other than the under the NFL's kinda trying with their next gen stats and their separation, stats and stuff. But you know, they're still gonna be some sort of bias in like this player, win this route and what exactly the route was that they ran in stuff because another, you know, there's no like fine line between things, but it takes that bias of like, yeah, it's all. Yeah, right. It takes away that bias. It's an opinion. If I tell you that I saw this guy get open on seventy percent of his routes to season. That's an opinion. It's not an objective fact, but I would say that me telling you that I I started this player with the seventy percent success rate, verse manning coverage over his one hundred seventy. Something routes is better than you know somebody being like, oh yeah, this guy never gets opened. So I gave him a deep plus as out runner like what the hell does that he's in deep plus. So I think that just bring some objectively into what is inherently a subjective guess you. That's a good point because on top of the fact that like you said, the analysts that guys wide open down the field or you know, your casual observer will be like, oh, he's not getting open. You have to remember it sit. It's game plan, dependent and situation dependent as well because a receiver might be running around that's designed just to draw coverage to. And maybe the defense figures out. That's not where the ball's gonna go or they're, they run around its problem. That might be a poor route, but it's zone it's supposed to get open a specific zone and they end up getting the ball. So you're right, it's it's a very inexact science, but it's something where when you study it over a long period, you get a little bit more of a feel for it than simply just assigning grade based on what you saw from the highlights better than like, yeah, there are things like. I'm sure you Jerry green training camp, preseason potential merger, and it's like. Look like beautiful routes in these videos of him doing workouts and it's like, oh, this guy's good route runner. Look at that like hip fluidity in the smooth transitions in stuff, but it's like that you can easily be swayed by like the aesthetics of of players. If you don't quantify things in any sort of manner. Yeah, it'd be Braxton Miller. I've mentioned him earlier this more than I've talked about Braxton years, but like he was a player that down senior bowl, everybody was drooling over and because of like, oh my gosh, look at how he's running around then. Look. So these routes so pretty, but it's like each taken five seconds to set up these defenders with all these stupid little stutter steps in the NFL. Like if you get your quarterbacks holding the ball for five seconds, he's probably dead. So yeah, there are definitely some differences between what actually happens on the field. The aesthetics of route running. I have a question, speak in kind of Brian talked about with like two different routes in the different success rate. Is it just me and you you look at every team, do the Panthers run more like a higher ratio of outbreaking routes, especially deeper outbreaking routes in most teams, even now even the passing game has been like, seems like it's gotten easier for care, but it seems like we run a so many of those like deep comebacks, deep out route setter such difficult throws. And yeah, those are some of the routes that are the most infrequent thrown to in the NFL. They're also, yeah, they're more high degree of difficulty routes like that was Kelvin Benjamin's best route. So for years like and that's not one that's not saying much. So like those just lend themselves to those high degree of difficulty throws that I was talking about earlier and Brian brought up the next stats. When I worked worked at NFL, that was something that I worked with on a day-to-day basis was trying to take some of those in turn them into real content. And you could see the difference between twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen to than urgency. Me twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen in Cam Newton's of these. The throws of they're asking him to make the next stats. Just debuted a metric I was working on before I left there which was its completion probability. They actually are able to put a expected completion percentage value to every throw that a quarterback makes based on the separation. The receiver has the distance, the ball travels through the air, how far it is from the sidelines against those deep sideline routes that you are talking about. Those are some of the obviously ones with low degree probability completions Cam Newton had like a fifty four percent. Expected completion rate back in two thousand sixteen so will one of the lowest in the NFL in terms of these asking him to make way too difficult of throws and plays at these quarterbacks like Tom Brady, or you know, even Aaron Rodgers to agreed degree, they're not asked to do these sort of things, and then that jumped up to like sixty two percent expected back in this past in twenty seventeen right around the same this year. But he's way out performing what is expected completion percentages in his actually adding a lot yet on his own. So I know that's a lot of dork stuff. I just mentioned there, but that's a long winded. Wella mansard Washington. I think there's a lot of looking at it right now. His expected, like you said is expected completion percentage. This year's sixty two point eight which is. Eighth eighth most difficult in the NFL and his and he's out forming that the his these three point, one percent better than that, which is the six best Mark in the NFL. Lead Lind's a lot of credence to the whole idea that like Cam Newton's inaccurate because it was completion presented when it's more like candidates completion percentage low is because the throw he's needs a throws. He needs to make our insanely difficult. And that kind of felt through anecdotes is a fan who watches every single game. I don't think it jumps out as much if you don't watch him all the time, and it's kinda feels there's kind of a validation and saying that again, that that quantified, even now with this supposedly simplified offense in offense. It's supposed to make it easier for him. It's still one of the most difficult offenses for a quarterback to complete bassin. Yeah. And I would ask you guys this because like, you know, like you guys watch, watch all these Panthers games and this is this is an impossible thing to know for sure. But part of me does wonder, like, is it just Cam chooses to make these high degree of difficulty throws even now as the offense is becoming more. Hashtag evolve. That's what that was. The big talking point a couple of seasons ago, and I think it has successfully done that to a degree in probably as we're saying it could do a little more, but I do you guys think there's just a little bit of in in like Camden has that ingrained in himself that he likes to make these tight window throws. He feels confident that he can do it. I don't know the answer to that, but I think it's at least worth asking, I think. So I wanna take that earth stab young. Yeah, I guess you wanna go ahead and talk a little bit. You talked on. Well. No. Like Patrick Mahomes gets a lot of has been getting all the praise for it with a gunslinger mentality thing because he's the that hot new young thing. Cam Newton has that same kind of approach? I think where he, he genuinely believes he can make every single throw. So I don't like you see, there's some people that will criticize like you'll make throw down the field like why throwing that down the field when he's got McCaffrey wide open in the flat, it's like, well, he's not gonna look at McCaffrey in the flat if he thinks he can make that third down the field. And I do think Cam genuinely believes he can make every throw in for the most part he can. But he does. He cried yet because he believes he knows he can do it. Yeah, he makes it seems like every game there's a throw. He makes he like threads needle, or you know, skims the fingertip of defender, like thirty are down the field to hit a receiver between the numbers, but so I understand why he believes you can make every throw. And I think I commend him for that. I do think we're kind of neutering that a little bit this year in the for the sake of evolving, which do you think there's anything to the, you know, like his arm strength has declined since the shoulders. Surgery because he's got his longest completion this year, like in the air is less than four yards. They, they don't really have any verbal threats. You know somebody to really bomb the ball out. I mean, I think Devin funchess is a fine downfield threat, but he's another player that is going to operate on some of those go routes as more of an outside the numbers receiver. I think he's a pretty good dig and post route runner. And I think you do see that pop up that he will make some big plays down the middle of the field. Maybe there's maybe there's a chance that his his arm has declined a little bit. I mean, that's going to naturally happen with age, but I think the fact that he's able to really, as you mentioned like thread that needle every now and again, it just makes him throws at our, you know, unbelievable. I would tend to say it's not to a point where that I'm too concerned about it. One thing I do want to mention real quick. Speaking of the downfield thing after week one ever. They were questioning why Cam was hitting Christian McCaffrey so much in the flat and they were in the justification behind. It was well when they do that, it's going to draw the linebackers up, allow for some more Waigel room in the middle, and that made perfect sense. And then they stopped doing it. Donate field is because we have to run the ball. That's true. I forgot. We got to establish the run pound. The rock stab was to run on first and second down. And then on third and twelve, you can throw, but you can't throw across the middle. Like John just said, we never throw cross the middle. For some reason. It's like we're scared that that's where all the interceptions happen or something. But one thing I do want to mention to while since the Panthers are about to play the eagles as well. If this is if there's any game or they're gonna throw over the middle, it should be this one of my opinion. If they, if they really decide to turn it loose on offense. Because in my mind, you're playing against the crazy, good Philly front seven who's gonna just go after Cam all game. So in my mind, you would think that it would make sense to get McCaffrey involved more in the in the short yardage game to draw the linebackers up a little bit. And that's where I see the Panthers wing and making. Some big plays is getting the ball to like more Olsen funchess or even Curtis Samuel over the middle to give them some space to operate. They're not gonna do that. They're going to run Christian McCaffrey right into the teeth, the defense. But you know, see a radical, it'd be since Brian. They're gonna run Christian McCaffrey straight into Fletcher. Cox, twenty five times that would be the like the stone worst approach for this. This is one of the best run defenses. If not the best run defense in the NFL. Meanwhile, they allow the fourth most catches two running backs this year with forty one. They're tied with a few other teams. They're like, that is obviously how you are going to attack with your running backs is to throw them the ball against the eagles. So yeah, if we don't see McCaffrey get to like seven plus catches in this game. That's a pretty big mistake. I again, I think he's been a great runner this year. McCaffrey has, but holy hell, please don't try to smack him in. Into the frontline of the eagles. Now we do have this thing of like we have an identity and we have to establish instinct to our identity even if it flies in the face of what would prob is most likely to be successful in a given week. So what do you think? Do you think that that comes from? I think I'm going to ask the question while knowing the answer is yes. You think that definitely comes from from Ron Rivera, right? And absolutely one hundred percent. Yeah. Like I said, obviously asking the question knowing the answer, but and I think that's like a defensive head coaching. I think the reason that they all all these guys for the most part that are defensible defensive coordinator to turn to head coaches, and maybe we'll see this change. The NFL in itself evolves and becomes so much more of a pass. I pass friendly league, but I feel like a lot of these old school defensive guys like Ron r. wanna base offense running game because that's like the most demoralizing thing that you can take as a defense. It's one thing for an offense to out scheme you from passing game perspective. But I feel like when you know total anecdote here. But like I feel like when you're getting slammed by the running game over and over gonna use, can't stop it. So demoralizing to you as a defensive coordinator that I wonder then if it's the inverse than when you are the head coach in your fingers are everywhere if you're just like, yeah, we're going to run the ball because that's what's gonna really. Bombed the other team out or something. It's it's very strange, but there's a lot of end. Yeah, I think you're spot on it. And one thing that I believe that demoralizing, even Moore's when you score a lot of points. Yeah, seems like Ron would figure that out. It's mind blowing, Matt because we were talking about this last episode, but it seems the NFL has all but said, we want you. We want quarterbacks throwing the ball of their wide receivers in scoring points with the way they've been. Change in the game like the defenseless hit defenseless receiver flags, the defensive holding flags the roughing, the passer flags now because defensive linemen can't alter his motion mid air. It's just the NFL has all, but telling offenses, throw the freaking football like Enda a passing play is the has the highest chance of being successful because of those things. The Ron Rivera refuses to do it because he wants to run the football and there's some merit to like establishing the run, but with they've built this team to throw the ball more and they just won't do it. I was just about to ask when he said there's merit establishing the run. I don't know. They ever explained why it's important to establish the run. It's just gotta think people say, well, as as Matt mentioned earlier, the Cam Newton's very successful underplay action. So theoretically established, you have, you can still you have to control. I'm of possessions have to really think somebody has said. This on on cat scratch read and I can't remember who it was, but I, I really think deep down Ron wants to control the clock and control time of possession because it makes his defense look better. Like if we, if we have the ball for forty five minutes and we win fourteen to three will the defense only gave up three points. And you know, in his mind in his little happy place, the defense dominated the other team and I think deep down, that's what he's he's trying to do. I wanted to say two things one to Brian's play action dying. I think people have. There's been a lot of. Like exploring this statistically and there's no correlation between how successful you are running it, how successful you are at play action like vendors. What I'm saying like offenders don't think like, oh, you Dave. Only like, you know, they're not running the ball. Well, I don't need to bite on this fake, like their keys tend to be if they see the hand off, they step they take a step forward. My point wasn't even to, you know, like say, you need to run the ball down their throat and get yards. I'm just saying making that making that something that's like still known keeping in the back of their minds is what I was kinda getting at. Like if you don't run the run a draw. Yeah, go ahead that even if it's not true, not true. Like as I think you're right that there been balding lot of other people have done good work off, play action analytics and shown that there is no correlation between who's a good plaques and quarterback and and they're running game. I mean the two. And then anecdotally, veges really likes anecdotes, totally two, great examples. Last season were to the best play action pass passing quarterback, where Russell Wilson and Marcus mariota and. Either one of those teams could run the ball a lick. But I do think in coaches mine. So even if it's not true to Brian's point in coaches minds, I think they still believe numbers damned that you do have to establish the run to then be an affective play action team. I mean, because like you listen to any again, I mentioned like ball commentators earlier, if you listen to any of these jokers on Sunday, that call games at act like they have it Washington NFO game since the fricken eighties, they will say that over and over and over and over again, Jeff, establish a run to be able to do play action in like statistically, that just isn't. It's not. It's not true. So I think that even if it's not true in coaches minds and probably a guy like Rivera that they believe that that's why you gotta stymied Charles Davis even. So where's the disconnect? Like why? Why can't Ron Rivera look at us? She'd of numbers in see the truth like why? Why? Or coaches? And it's not just Ron Rivera. I mean, it's. It's literally every coach except Doug Peterson Bill Belichick, Sean McVeigh, and Andy Reid, you know, maybe one other Andy Reid, like any coach not named those guys. They just can't see it. And I don't know if they can't see it or if they just refused to to see it. I think so much of his just like football culture. Very heavy into narratives and emotions, and that is honestly, to be honest with you. I think that's why people love the game so much is because it's so narrative and emotion driven. That's why everybody loves football, not just people that like the game of football, less why they follow the NFL frost me working for the NFL. They love that obviously, because then they get a chance to talk about football all year. I don't know like you would think that any team like with the how competitive the NFL is with how much that they have. You know, the small margin of victory to win games and lose games that you'd wanna get every edge possible. But again, we, as you mentioned, we just see over and over again, teams are willing to shun statistical evidence in favor of these long held cliches and narratives. And I don't know. I really don't know what is going to change that, but it does appear to be a fact. I think it's just. Yeah, we'll just change with younger coaches that come in with that are more willing to change their ways like it just. Yeah, I think we're gonna see more the vase because he's been successful with the Rams. And I think some of these teams that you know this year that are going to be firing and hiring guys are going to start looking at that young, hot offense, coordinator type mold. And I think we hopefully will see a dying of the run. It might take ten years, but yet the crazy thing about like Sean McVay too, is that everything that he does is like none of it is you know, revolutionary, like read option spread stuff or anything like that. I mean, the obvious everybody's spread now, but like it's not any sort of crazy, triple wishbone, whatever that you can say, all he does is do the things that are common sense that we're all agreeing here make the most sense to do. It's just being officiant running eleven personnel on every snap so that you're running back, never faces an eight-man bucks under ten percent. I think he girlies run against an eight-man boxes. That's not cause people to wanna stop Todd Gurley. That's because you dictate personnel by dictate the defensive alignment by the personnel. You come out with you run a lot of play action. Nobody runs more play action than Jared Goff. Like that's again, that's not revolutionary. Playing the same three receivers over and over again and your best three cokes Cooper Cup. Robert woods guys are out there on like ninety percent of the snaps, they're not, you know, shuffling in Jerry's, right? Just because they feel like they have to like what? What? That's a crazy about Sean McVay. Is that. And using your running back in the frigging passing game, like the Jerry, Jeff, Fisher never ever under those teams. They never made girly feature of the past game Sean McVeigh's first year in their girly gets eighty. Plus targets of has a breakout year. Like again, none of this stuff is revolutionary. Just takes a coaches seeing institition evidence in objective of verifiable proof like, oh, this is good. This is smart. This is a fish int- what we're going to do. But I agree with you guys. I hope that we see more of it and I think Walker made a point in walkers, one of our one of the other guys that we work with for trader about Ron Rivera. 'cause when we had ruptured since Carr's office coordinator. Offense was a little more aggressive, downfield oriented more pass oriented, and our defense was terrible dislike coincidentally, because Brad said earlier in our chat CNA FU Terrell McClain with the defensive tackles like it's a bad defense. And then Mike Shula taking over the offense coordinator spot and his like aggressively, conservative approach. Coincided with us getting a good defense, Ron, very may of quite like, you know, conflicted, the two for the last six years. And then I think on top of that, there's just like you said, the football culture. I think there's just this like resistance to numbers because it's like it's kind of jocks versus nerds thing. It's like nerds, football works like there's, there's this like miss mystery unquantifiable. You know, stuff that happens on the field like others, like momentum in morale, and just, you know, imposing your will. All these things that are not quantifiable that are supposed to render the like any statistical have like research, obsolete or mood. But there's, there's nothing that proves that to be true. But I think that's a lot of coaches believe agreed. And a good example of that is Doug Peterson. Who the Panthers are facing. So we get, we're gonna get the awesome. Crashing of the two worlds in the guy who went punch for punch with Bill Bella chicken, the Super Bowl, hyper aggressive offense against Ron Rivera and his stubbornness in you having an offense with so many receiving threats and running one of them the middle all the time. That's gonna be fun guys. That's gonna be real enjoyable game to watch. I'm, i'm. Civics looking at the eagles offense. Looking at the eagles offense this year. So they, they have a somewhat similar offense in a way. Carson Wentz is kind of like Cam Newton and the fact that he can do pretty much everything. They got a ton of good of pretty good receiving weapons. I'll Sean Jefferies the matchup guy that you'd want one on one with a lot of people with a lot of different players. One on one Nelson Aguilar's the guy they use the slot. Zacher it's probably is apparently appears to be on pace for one of the best seasons overall, ever by a tight end. Good offense running the ball. Well, they use a ton of running backs. Looking at this game, what are we? What are we watching? I guess as far as. The eagles offense against the Panthers defense goes Matt. Want to start with you as our our guest special guest here. Yeah, I am always just curious with this Panthers defense like, are they going to get any pass rush on Carson Wentz because I think Wentz has looked better each and every week this is obviously in I would say is an inconsistent at best pass, rushing unit, their corners, I think are playing pretty well. I think James Bradbury is having a pretty good season. He's kind of I dunno inconsistent player, but he looks really good when he does look good. I think Dante Jackson, the rookies had some really great moments as well to obviously their safety play this. You know, they signed Eric Reed who may or may not have been responsible for, or at least was in the vicinity of when almost nobody else was in the vicinity of Vernon Davis on that down. Yeah, that was the worst. But again, I still think the secondary overall has pretty good pieces. I think Reid is a good upgrade, their safety as he gets more comfortable. But yet to me, the pass rushes, probably the thing that I'm gonna be watching the most here in this game because I think you gotta get went off his spot and he hasn't really been as even when he's been under pressure over the last few games, he won the the, the giants rebel to get close to him. He still made some plays, but he was definitely under duress. This is a pass protection unit. This definitely just not as good as it was last season. I have a question for Dave. Wide receiver guy. So. Why is good big and he's slow any. It's no separation. And then he catches eight passes for hundred yards in two touchdowns as he does that good. Like I know you're. Testing. As a really good contested catch player. I think even just went passes, aren't contested. He's a guy who doesn't mind operating in confined spaces. Yeah, he's never gonna be somebody that gets a ton of separation. He was a poor performer reception perception like route success rates last year, but he also is just exclusively an ex receiver. He's not somebody that's gonna move around a lot. And I think he does that role pretty well. He's been kind of he's been kind of an up and down player the last few years in, like again, when you're an extra Seaver and you don't get a ton of separation, you are gonna. You're going to be a volatile week to week producer his first hundred yard game with the eagles came in his first game back this year. So he's definitely not as productive as he was during his best days as Chicago bear. But yeah, I mean, I think it's it's pretty pretty simply just a real great contested catch player in also guy who doesn't mind being not the most open player on the feed really shouldn't even. Like not even run routes at this point. Like they're not doing him any good, just basic like go forward, go sideways in. If we need to throw it to you is you're not gonna get open regardless of what you do. Brad will the she reason. It's it's simple, it's because the Carolina Panthers drafted Amini settle, totally Wednesday. Brad, you're bitterness is season dissolve Jeffries Kelvin. Benjamin was supposed to be. Oh, oh, that's. That's actually a very good point. I really think that Kelvin Benjamin was supposed to be Al Sean, Jeffrey two point. Oh, well, let me let me ask you guys this. Who do you think is better right now at this point in their career out else on Jeffrey or Devin funchess. I thought he was going to ask Calvin Benjamin, what. We're just Kelvin Benjamin rank among NFL receivers. This point like like in a ninety, one hundred range like number three wide receiver guy, or is he. My underrating. I don't even know how you could you're not underrating. I don't really know how you could really evaluate anybody. Fronts right now. I mean, he's getting his Guinness boy Derek Anderson back this week though. So. There they finally gets to quarterback. You ask for. I mean that buffalo offense is just a train wreck, but Kelvin does nobody any favors. I mean, I thought in his rookie season, he obviously the numbers were there because he had just so much volume. But he showed that he could be like a. Moderately plus, you know, average type of player out there, but he's gotten worse and worse every year he doesn't win. Contested catches consistently. I mean, I know he's not a player that I would if I was building an NFL receiving core, he's not a player that I would ever want to have his rookie year was like, yeah, it's not a fishing, but like he's shown some abilities like, you know, like if this is his ceiling, it's not as good as you'd want them. First round pick for rookie, you know, like with room to grow if that's a good sign in, like you said, it's just getting worse and worse, and then more and more like attitudes problem. The full sense. Yeah. Yeah. And since you're the wide receiver guru in us, you know, basically just Kelvin Benjamin, the worst receiver ever if you could build a a hypothetical wide receiver core, who had the first pick be like, who would be your number one guy? I, it would have to be Antonio Brown because he's just like the pit Amee of route running. He's a Pitta me of getting separation. You could argue that at his best ODI Beckham might be the the freaky route runner in the NFL because he has pristine technique. And he also has just outrageous athletic ability, but Brown is such a pro at everything he does is route runner that any also can win. Contested catches Annemie Beckham Ken to obviously, but those two guys that are the best high end route runners at the NFL level. So I think starting receiving court mean it's gotta be a guy like Antonio Brown that despite his size, he goes out there and plays ex receiver every route. He gets open almost all the time over the last four years of reception perception. He's been number one or two in success rate. Verse man coverage. Every single season that I've, I've charted him. I mean, he's he's incredible. So, yeah, ease the guy would take. Cancer your question from earlier, and then maybe somewhere after that. To answer your question. I think that overall as a player, if we're just looking at a vacuum, I would say I'll Sean Jefferies better, but I think Devin funchess tasseled a lot more in the Panthers offense and Jeffrey isn't the eagles offense. Yeah. Security, blanket of sorts Jeffrey might be better at what he does. But I think Devon out rather have Devin funchess just like Ryan said for the versatility aspect of it. Elgin haters man would what do you think that funches is also getting? Yes, I, he's also I would say that it's much closer than probably the average. Like if you asked if you pulled ten people at a bar, if they even know who like either either easier, these two players are, but just let's say, like we're taking the mean level NFL fan and asking them who's better alshon Jeffery or Devin funchess they probably because l. John Jeffrey like played in a Super Bowl and everybody knows who he is. Dave probably laugh you out of the room, but I think it's at least if not in funchess's favor. I think it's pretty close. Funchess to me has gotten better made major strides the last two years when he was a guy in reception perception early in his career that just looked like a total trainwreck like couldn't get open unless he was run routes out of the slot. But I think he's taken big steps the last two years. He's not a perfect receiver. I don't know that you would necessarily classify him as a quote, unquote, true. Number one receiver, but I think a lot of NFL offense is right now are getting by without h. number one see ride. Don't think alshon Jeffery is a quote, unquote, true number one receiver cause some of the flaws in his game. But I think it's worth a conversation. I think that funchess is is right there with Al Sean, if not maybe just ever. So slightly ahead because he's on upward trajectory. The same here funches. They are definitely in the same functions as like, I've just seen a steady evolution and a lot of the technical aspects of game like like getting off the press that contested catches the routes. He runs like he runs some beautiful route sometimes like not all the time. He's not perfect, but every now and again, you'll see him run around where you're like, man, you beat the PB skates off that guy, like if he was a little faster and he'd be pretty damn good. But yeah, I like what he brings just a bunch of aiders brand. The Panthers never didn't draft. Alshon, Jeffery never will never play for this team. Just let it go, let it go. Let it go. Now he'll play for the Panthers. It'll just be when he's like thirty five years old and. Khatri level. The Jericho Khatri Keyshawn Johnson. He'll he'll be in a couple of years. As far as the rest of the eagles offense goes. So Jay Ajayi isn't playing. So we're expecting Corey Clement to go off for like one hundred and fifty yards, right? No window, solid window. Small, small start Wendell, small think he's, he's not. That was the pit ame- of fantasy like fantasy football last week that Wendell Smallwood gets more carries. He plays more snaps, but cork lament has the better fantasy day like that is that's typical fantasy stuff. But I think both these backs are are in play great though. Both gopher honor, touch. Yep. Both go for a hundred yards. So moving on. We were talking about debt and funchess a little bit. So moving onto the eagles defense. Really loaded front. Seven, Derek Barnett. Hello de NADA Fletcher? Cox, I think colonie NADA didn't practice or something today I saw. Nigel, Brad hand, Jordan Hicks that front is gonna kill Cam, this weekend guys. I hate to say, but. I don't think he's alive and fine. Surprisingly, yeah, we've been fine, but it's been surprisingly fine. But I think Cinderella's gonna turn back into a pumpkin. The best front seven played in my opinion was probably the Bengals. That was good Fontaine. Yeah. Okay. I'll give you that. They do have. But this team just has threats on all levels, not even not even. Let's not forget about Michael Bennett to he's part of it as well. So stupid shoulder pads. It's so do we expect office at the word. Bulky tank top under jersey. The dumbest thing. It's it's kicker shoulder pads. Worst kickers, older pads, pads, like cover their shoulders like he basically covers traps solar pads, and that's about it. Well, we'll kick your shoulder pads, cover their shoulders because kickers are like half the size of Michael Bennett Bennett. It uses like peewee football size pads, just stretches him over shoulders. Spandex shoulder penalty, eagles Cornerbacks eagles. They're pretty weak in the secondary though. Aren't they? Like their their corners aren't? Yeah. Yeah. If you can, if you can stop their front seven and get the ball out, you can actually beat them because their weaknesses are sort of to bring this like all. Yeah, to bring this all back around to like talking about the receivers earlier. I mean, this is the game to get some of these quick separators like Curtis Samuel DJ more involved in obviously funchess will be a part of this to the eagles are number two in terms of yards allowed to wide receivers with one hundred one thousand one hundred ninety seven and second most catches Irv. No, I most catches too wide receivers with ninety six. So this is a team that has seen their cornerback core particularly get ripped up this year. So I think that this is this is a great match up for funchess obviously. But also, yes. Some of these younger guys, I mean, they they're all their slot corner. Patrick Robinson leave this off season, so maybe more can get some run their, you know, Ronald Darby is an okay cornerback, but he's killing also be burned because he's kind of a gambler Jalen mills. They're left cornerback. I mean, Stefan digs just like took him to the woodshed a couple of weeks ago and I would. Would be excited to see. Funchess or even a specially Curtis Samuel enemy. It is a hashtag revenge game for Torrey Smith. So like let's not forget about five catches last week. Yeah. So combined combined, total snaps combined, total snaps for DJ more incurred a Samuel is got to because Ron is going to let Torrey Smith run every play for the right engine game. I will tag real Tosseh quick though. It was kind of nice to see Ron Rivera, not bench story are DJ more after he fumbled the ball twice and instead let him continue play. Like I actually think as far as growth is concerned like that was the welcome to the NFL moment for him. It doesn't get much worse than fumbling the ball twice, especially one of them in scoring distance. So to me, it's like you can really only go nowhere. But at this point, like if they're going to keep them involve, good things are going to happen. I mean, he he's just too good with the volunteers for good stuff not to happen if they get if they get it to him in that secondary. I don't know if you agree with me, Matt. Yeah, I would. I would. I would agree that. Sorry, you cut out there a little bit on on that. But yeah, I would agree that it was good. Yeah, it was good to see. It was good to see him, not like just get totally yanked out there. And I think Cam Newton said that today actually about DJ more that those are the type of moments that remind you all this is real and you know, welcome to the fell, that sort of stuff. So I mean, hopefully they continue to stick with them because this is again, this is a great spot to see him potentially have is his breakout game 'cause they're gonna. They need that explosive element and this is a good match against a defense. That's allowing a lot of production to receivers agreed before. After we do scored on a do score petitions, and then I have one more question for for Matt for we wrap it up. Yeah, we do our little scoring predictions than comments. So as our guest, Matt, what do you think is going to be the score of Sunday's tilt against the eagles and feel free to be negatives possible trust me were we're all here for it. Yeah. I mean, Vegas right now has this forty five point total twenty-five eagles and twenty Carolina. I think that's pretty fair. I don't think they're going to get blown out. I think the I still think the Panthers are overall pretty good team. I think the eagles are just coming into this coming into stride. Obviously, another five point home favourite right now. I think that seems pretty fair that guy's a score prediction. I think you know something around the area of twenty one twenty twenty five, twenty four seems about right to me. I would. I would definitely I'm betting on these games. I would definitely take the eagles in the five points at home early given the five points at home. So yeah, I, I don't know. There's just so many places where they don't match up well and it and it starts on both the lines for pass protection for Carolina. Sekine the pass rush for Carolina's sakes. I don't think either of those matchups are going to be as good as they should be to stop the eagles front seven or then exploit. There leaky passed, protecting offense of line on the other side. Sounds fair, Brad. What's your scoring prediction. Philadelphia, fifty, six Carolina, ten. John, what's your? What's your prediction? Ugo Brian, you go. I all right. I'm predicting a twenty one to fourteen loss for Carolina. I just think I think they will actually come out and play this team a lot closer than people expect. And I think they'll have a game plan for the defense, and they might even be a little more aggressive after the way things wanted to Washington. I just think the offense is gonna struggle to continue to put up points because I think they'll move the ball, just fine. But this eagles defense doesn't allow a lot of points even even though they allow yards and we all know how Ron Rivera gets when he gets in the red zone. So it'll be a lot of a Christian McCaffrey and Cam Newton trying to run the ball in the end zone. I just get whooped on that. So. John, go ahead. All right. My justification for this is just because of what all the just said, and it's going to be Panthers twenty eight eagles twenty just because the Panthers always win when we expect them to get demolished. Well, then you lose evidence to support this. The worst child. I wanna be with the Panthers to win. I can't. I don't have it in my heart. I will say, John, John actually makes very good point. You know, they always play their best when everybody thinks they're going to lose. And I really do believe. I was kind of halfway joking with my prediction, but I really do believe that one of the two teams going to blow the other one out of the water. I don't think this is going to be a close game because everybody thinks it's going to be close and the Panthers are either gonna completely shit the bed and lose by thirty or more are they're gonna make the eagles look like they're not even. They don't even belong on the same field and it's very patches of them. That would be quite. It is very Panthers. It's not primetime. So that's that's going in their favor for sure. John, did you say I have one more question for met? 'cause because we're getting pretty long in this episode, we need to wrap it up. Met just a divisional Panthers division? Rival question. Why can't Julio Jones score. God hates. No, I think in in some ways that last year there was a huge focus on them getting the ball to Julio Jones in the red zone. He had an outrageous amount of red zone, touch or red zone. Target last year ended was just three touchdowns I, it's one of the weird or like unexplainable, things guy like Andre Johnson was somebody that didn't score a lot of touchdowns obviously always produced in terms of yards and catches, you know, despite some real poor quarterback play, I think we've seen a focus this year of just getting away from forcing it to Julio in the red zone, and they've obviously then had a lot of offense of success. But it is. I mean, I don't know that I have like a super sharp analytic take for you here. It's just a man is just one of those things. I don't. I, I don't know. I don't know, but I just think funny. Yeah, I think this year they've just they have just tried to not force it to him and because they're still having success with other players. Calvin Ripley. Muhammed's new and ITO Smith, like they're not really that all that bothered by the fact that as much as people that own him in fantasy are bothered by no matter how like literally on pace for like two thousand yard season at one point this year and people are still complaining about Julio Jones. A fantasy like that is a hell of a thing. It's just so funny to have a guy who is second in the NFL and receiving yards. Just says all he's having a down year. But I mean he has forty four catches seven hundred seven yards through six games and just you stumbled across the ins on one of those catches at this point. Just like, yeah, yeah. Breaking tackle on a from on Flint quick from the twenty or something. It's just like, I'm expecting that some point to have like an uncontested run to the end zone as trip and fall conspiracy. Yeah. Usually he just usually he just stops the bucks and then Carolina at least one of their games, but usually just completely just bitch slaps the bucks both times. So maybe next time you'll get in the box against the against the bucks by did have a big yard. Calling. Yeah. Well, you can you guarantee you can guarantee that if anybody struggling, if it's a receiver that's not getting in the end zone, if it's a corner who isn't getting interceptions if it's a running back who hasn't rushed for one hundred yards, it doesn't matter what what the hell it is the the Panthers are the elixir that cures all ales, and you can just about market down that if Julio has not scored a touchdown until we play, he will. He will score five against us like it. It's pretty much guaranteed bit. It's an Atlanta because I don't wanna pay him after this season. So they're gonna take that. They're not gonna pay him anyway because I have Calvin Ridley now. Well, if they don't, if they don't if they don't play again until week sixteen. So if Jones those not scored any touchdowns since week, sixteen I wanna stay the hell off fantasy too. Because it's going to be legit. Well, anything else you guys any lasting thoughts you want to impart upon our listeners. Now. Refused, thanks John first time. First time you've ever done that. I'm not playing games, Matt. We really appreciate you coming on. Tell us what you got going on in the football world. Tell our listeners and overall. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me on this was a lot of fun to spend some negativity. Some positivity and some real talk about the Panthers and and the NFL's a whole. And I do think they're an interesting team to watch as the as the NFL balls offensively to see how much they really take that evolution and whether they run with it or not. So thanks for having me for this conversation. I really appreciated anybody out there if you're not familiar with my works, find me on Twitter at Matt Harmon underscored b. y. b. also doing a halftime show this year. That streams called halftime with Harmon us a pretty easy to remember. It's on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and twitch. And if you just go to like Yahoo sports, you should be able to find it on any of those platforms. Awesome. Be down to check it out. Sounds good. And for all of you listening who may not have heard this already, you can find the keep sounding podcast. Now officially on I tunes Google and Spotify. So we've. Been ramping up a little bit here recently. So from all of us here, keep sounding. I have some lasting thoughts for you. Some Brian Bevere sliced lessons. So if you ever find yourself, you get that ist to play some kind of intramural sport, some kind of recreational sport, maybe maybe basketball sixty bucks league sounds. That's a lot of money. So for my for my recommendation is go out and buy the new NBA two k. is you only spend sixty dollars on at once. You don't have to deal with douchebag teammates. You can quit whenever you want. You can start whenever you want to leave the house and you don't have to hit up all your friends. Hoping that one of them doesn't hit you back and making them pay sixty dollars to play with you. So maybe just try that. Maybe just by NBA is you get this, you get to play basketball anyway. So from all of us here, keep sounding. I'm joined by John and Brad, and again, thank you for joining us. Really appreciate it. We hope to have you back on soon. Hopefully with better circumstances for the Panthers. Soft for the touchdown. Took it in time. For the. Jonathan Stewart that he's in for a touchdown. 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The Kist & Solak Show #22: Eagles O vs Vikings D Preview

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The Kist & Solak Show #22: Eagles O vs Vikings D Preview

"Michael kissed Benjamin so lab. It's the kissed Solex show presented by SP nation and leading green nation. You are flying high on the kissed. And so-. MAC show this is episode twenty two brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and blink remission. I am your host, Michael kissed you can follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL ks t. as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game after eight year streak without a bad day. He has Benjamin celek follow him on Twitter at Benjamin. So like that's l. a. k. Ben, how're you doing brother Mike, early this week, I cracked jaw and let me tell you something used to crack my jaw all the time. Are you? Okay? Well, I'm about to explain. Okay. They used to crack my jaw all the time. And then one day when I was in high school, I cracked it and I was like, that was great. And then I went like put it back like it doesn't like pop out or anything, but just like crack it in the return wouldn't go back like my job was like stuck in like like the full crack -sition. I was like, and then eventually ever a little bit kind of popped back into really hurt, and then it hurt for next couple of days. And I was like, man, I never crack my jaw. Ever get us so bad, but sometimes accidentally crack doing regular things and then hurts furred days is so sore. So that's was happening to me right now overall. You're okay. Everyday's date of your life that we also I cracked my job. So Ben, as we move towards this preview, I should probably pull up the injury report so that we can get you gentlest ner up to date. You seen this. You've seen this this sale Molo Sam, low Kelsey, low was new ski nonsense yet is similar. Gonna start at left guard, what is happening. So they've got as calcium apparently been. He's been braced up this week which office alignment of very often braced up. So I don't really know how much that matters. Beets are saying like he seem a little hampered in practice. He seemed a little off during games. I don't know how to the exemplify. I've noticed that, but Kelsey is just generally not one hundred percent attaining arrestee today and Doug say like, yeah, he's just a veteran. He's old. We're giving him arrested. That's it. But with Salo taking reps at left garden center, you have to assume that they are thinking to themselves. If Kelsey is a no goer, he's limited or if he doesn't look good, then we potentially put same low in its center or put salmon, left guard move was new ski. Dissenter both of which you'll see my face right now. Both of which are really, really bad. Eventually, both gotta hope Kelsey is okay, but I don't think they're like making a change on offense. Was news really playing poorly, so they're gonna put the same loan out. That's what's happening. I'm pretty sure it's it's Kelsey is banged up right now. He's been dealing with that knee for for a bit. Now, let's. That's depressing. Okay. So there's that and I'm looking at the injury report from Thursday because we're recording this early on Friday, and you have another update as far as anybody else, because yesterday it was Derek par net with a shoulder did not participate, Corey climent with a quad did not participate, Darren sproles with his knee. Same thing and full participation was Fletcher Cox also on Jeffrey and Jason Peterson still dealing with that quad injury. You see anything else out there that that is news and noteworthy from the from the injury report. From what I understand, both Clement and Derek bar net are going to light. They're gonna like like, like, try to go today a practice and how they perform a practice today will dictate whether or not they play on Sunday. Now, obviously, Josh sweat would likely be the next man up in the situation which bar night cannot go believes young with a shoulder. Again, I'm not. I can't find on tape. Yeah, that happens the titans where that happened on maybe have. Late. Maybe it's pain thing. I dunno, bad, bruise or whatever. Obviously, clemen being able to come back be really, really good news. Mike, that would be just that would really help. That'd be awesome. And I think you'd have less path protection concerns with climate there in the backfield Zola's hope for Clement, obviously hope for Derek Burnett bananas, well, but those two are the two that I've heard are kinda like Keana Bush the starting roster today l. shots already back Darren sproles with like it's at least another week for Darren. So that's where we're at. Yeah. And it looks like the Vikings on their side. They might be missing tree Wayne's who was still in the concussion protocol. Snap. Yeah, that would weaken their defensive secondary. That is. I mean, we have picked on on Wayne's kinda anyway, but his replacements not going to be much better. You think you think they're gonna put MAC Zander on the outside and then leave Mike Hughes inside. I think that would be the move. That's most likely what I think is going to happen and then you get, but you know, we'll see what happens. Come come game day. Weird. Things happen. Guys get would switch from nickel corner tip. Safety like von see Matic. So he's coaches, get creative, Delvin cook, still dealing with his with his hamstring. He says, he's trying to work his way back to one hundred percent. He's not there yet that running game has been anemic as we talked about on the last kissed, and so lag show go back and listen to that. The defense of the eagles against the offense of the Vikings that preview show today, we're going to be flipping around Vikings defense has to stop the Philadelphia Eagles offense after being a sieve said a correctly at boy, Mike against the Buffalo Bills and then being another, and then being a bigger sieve against the Los Angeles Rams. But I mean, is understandable. I understand. Like like the buffalo game, they just find out about empress and Griffin. So there's already going to be some some drop off. They're not only just from not having Griffin on the field. I think they're lacking leadership on that defense and also just the shock of finding out. So that could maybe go towards explaining the biggest upset, probably all. Zain depending how things work out, but then you come in and you get shredded up by the Los Angeles Rams were very good at attacking the Vikings. I think the eagles have a similar path to success. We were talking before the show, there are ways to gas this Vikings defense. The thing that I'm most concerned about and I want to bring this up right at the top is the fact that the Vikings when we think about the Vikings, we typically think about a team that can get after the quarterback. Well without Everson Griffen they just haven't been able to, but they still have a way to get to the eagles in this game. So week, one against inference that fifty percent Prussia rate week to Green Bay thirty, three percent week three buffalo thirty percent week four against Ramsey thirty, one percent. Those aren't terrible Prussia rates and eleven sacks and four games as a bad by any means. But this is a line that is now missing. Everson Griffen is relying heavily on Denault hunter, I think is heavily slept on has four sack so far and Sheldon Richardson who has racked up sixteen pressures this year in his playing good ball outside of those two. To who do they have getting after it because none of the interior guys you watch your mouth around Lindvall Joseph, sir. I love Lindvall jobs like Lindvall, but he's not just like that consistent pressure guy for me. I mean, he's better this year than I think has been a years pass generating pressure. Obviously, he's like he's zero tech like that's his job best frigging love him a couple of good Russia's. He had a great rush against the Rams where he put that center on his butt. So yeah, I'm on the fan of his, but he's not. He's not getting home like Everson what another is Stephan. Weatherly, whoever that is in to Sean Bauer, those those aren't the guys that ninety one and embarrassed ninety right yet knotted up. So what do you have to do to make up for that? What you have to send extra and right now, Anthony Boras blitzing on nineteen percent of the snaps, Eric Hendricks blitzing on thirteen percent of the past place. But that number is going up after the loss of Griffin. So you see them straining to generate a pass, rushing. You look at the safety to combine Harrison Smith and Anderson day ho five blitzes from. Week, one to two, a combined blitzes from weeks, three to four as a big change, but it fits into the larger picture of Mike Zimmer trying to find ways after the quarterback beyond just as front four. So presser rates are going down, let's rates are going up. And what does that leave you with? It leaves you with less coverage guys in a defense that has become uncharacteristically vulnerable at all three levels. However, the way that they can get to the quarterback, this is important that Corey Clement plays is they love to double mug the gap with the linebackers and that is going to give you protection issues because you have to work between end, especially Kelsey is Mississippi crazy. You have to work with the center and the running back to pick those two guys up. The problem is not old. Two of them come one will drop out and then the running back has a dual read. He has to read of his guys coming, pick them up. If it's not, you have to look outside and that's where Harrison Smith is coming from. So those types of looks gave us issues against the Tennessee titans. And you could see that there were spots where Smallwood missed his reader was new ski. Within slide writer wrote of a case may be those are things that can get exposed by this lichens defensive is still solid on third down for all their other problems and being bad in a lot of different areas. They're still top five in in third down conversion percentage. And a lot of the things of that goes to these these blitz packages that they have been. Did you see a similar thing or you concern? Yes. I think if we define this defense, I think like if you were to define the eagles defence, you kinda start with defensive line. Any move your way back, right? If you were to define the Vikings defense, in my opinion, you do so by starting in the secondary and moving your way forward. Number one, they trust Anderson day ho and Harrison Smith both to do everything on the field lineup has linebackers lamp is defensive ends lineups lot corners land as the deep safety lineup as the strong safety. Either one can do everything, which is great. They cannot. I mean, I think that with Harrison Smith, that's awesome, I think was send day ho. He can get very aggressive, especially when he's playing downhill. But still, I think he's. He's his, his body type. Miss physical profile is a good athlete lends itself to being interchangeable. So you start there and then you start with Xavier Rhodes plus trae Wayne's whether or not a tray as good idea here they are very comfortable playing straight man coverage with whoever you put on the boundary and then pattern matching running, like cover three Mabel running solo at a quarters with with just man. Everywhere he goes, we call Meg coverage, man, everywhere he goes on the back side receiver with Xavier roads or which I Wayne's, which you want that to be trained by the way that you try to get that set up. They'll do it with with with with either one is April, just quite good at it. So they feel very comfortable, trusting those back four to do more than most in the league have more responsibilities than most in the league. And that's kinda Zimmer's way they've done in my opinion, in the first four weeks of the young season, more complex things more switching off of coverages more passing off routes in and. You know, kind of these cover of pattern matching deals than they haven't previous years. Part of that lends itself really well to the third down play. You're able to send a blitz into the strong side. You pattern mash so that hot rod isn't there. You can generate pressure. Okay. The the flip side, the backside, the develop side, some would say, oh my gosh, you've got Anthony Barr lineup on Cooper cop on third down, right? Like not great because you're kind of asking your players to read the releases. And if you get complex which releases from the the strong side, you're gonna get a matchup problem. You saw that against buffalo saw gets Los angels anti sought against Green Bay. That's a common thread there. But again, we're defining defense. You've step forward. Got Eric kendricks, Anthony Barr Koenders can do a lot of stuff. Anthony Barr, their blitzing off the side, especially in the loss of Griffin, though, put him down on the line of scrimmage in run. I'm like, DeAnne, which at UCLA is something that we talked about bar could do he kinda provide you outside linebacker inside linebacker versatility in that he was a good rush guy, but he. He specifically has been a guy who I think has been struggling against play action. He's he's very aggressive into line. He flows very, very hard, and the jet motion from Los Angeles was just killing him. Right is he was jumping at shadows all day, long there. And then you know kendricks says he's been playing well. And finally that brings you into the front four, which is a case where they are asking their front four, even in the absence of Griffin to get pressure with four more often than not and simply shell Richardson Donell. Hunter on paper. Yeah, that's troublesome. It simply hasn't been a Richardson's not the player that he was hunters guys good for a quick win. If you beat with explosives and band, then you're in trouble right away. But the consistency is data and it's not like the eagles style, a pressure where if a quarterbacks in the pocket for two seconds somebody's coming, somebody has beaten somebody by this point you on mean like if you can bury hunter, he doesn't have much in the ways of counters or even say like power which is crazy strong, but he's not. A guy who like you've got me locked up while I can walk you back into the quarterback. You know, he doesn't really do that as much much anticipated. He pulled off sometimes, but not as much as I would have thought. And so you're at a point where you are putting a great amount of stress on your back. Four. And then you're back when you have rookie my Houston drawn very complex coverages occasionally, asking road slash Wayne's to just be one on one with extra Cevers. Number one receivers, which is always looking difficult, ask the wide receiver always have advantage there. Also asking Harrison Smith in Edgerton day and sometimes said Anthony Barr to just run down, feel good, tight ends and wide receivers. And that's very difficult. So this defense, I think you see similar themes in the buffalo in the Los Angeles Games in terms of how they were beaten up, big buzz around Los Angeles offense is this idea reduce splits talked about reduce. Let's on the podcast before it's where you take your outer most wide receivers, and you line them up closer to the line of scrimmage, inside of the numbers closer to the hashes. This. Causes problems because it allows even your outermost receivers have both inside and outside releases possible were typically when they're outside to the boundary. The can't release the outside. There's nothing Barrett's. Just the sideline. Yeah. This also, Mike, and this is the big issue you're seeing conflates the rules of a lot of pattern, matching coverage pattern, matching coverages. Like you know, the the Nick Sabin powder match coverage, which is very lot of people, you know, rip Liz coverage. A lot of people here about this predicated on the idea that there's a a indivisible divider that divides the field into thirds, and if wide receivers lined up inside of that divider, you play them differently than if lined up outside of that divider and the coverage is predicated on the idea that receivers lined up outside of the vital. That's what they do usually right into these pattern, matching concepts very frequently. I out said release. Second outside, released, start with outside leverage when you move to reduce splits and that that corner started with outside leverage. But they're so much more room now on the outside for. A second receiver to come in. I can still go inside your your playing by the same rules, but they were built handle the different style of offense. Out of these reduced splits, Mike, the flats of the Minnesota Vikings defense are very, very weak. And you saw this. They're giving up a third in the highest third highest in the league's use me yards per catch two running backs because they can't cover running backs from again to the flat, especially when they're in these men coverage pattern matching scenarios because they are asking linebackers lined up inside the tackle box to cover the flats in like a quarters cover for situation, and they can't get there in time, especially with reduced splits. There's way too much garbage too much trash to get through sifter, very, very easy attack the flats. Mike Koi have a big day if he's playing for. Sure. That's the first thing that I noticed watching this, this defense running back targets who'd be a big part of the game plan. I agree with a lot of what you said there before I ask a follow up question about one of the players that you mentioned. I do wanna bring. The fact that it is apparently official now that is a model is starting at left guard in place of Stephen was new sqi what? Yeah, just go to bleeding, greenish dot com. You'll see the big hair that'll be your your tip to what article to to to click why I mean was new ski hasn't he's? He's struggled, but like still see Malo. I never once thought myself. That is acceptable might be a solution to problem. Yeah, exactly. And what we're going to have this guard by committee again that we had early last year, I don't wanna burn somebody. Oh dude, you know, thinking about chance, warm back all the three headed monster. That is our left guard spot again. Goodness, that's so that's trouble. Like you said, I do think it's very important that Corey Clement plays not only for the blitz issues pickups that I brought up also attacking this team, the flat. So that's something to watch for definitely look in the secondary. The Vikings are tenth in the league in most explosive plays loud, says. Nineteen plays over twenty yards in the heirs euro runs over twenty yards. But you take those runs their seven. Most seventh, most through the air. There have been so many breakdowns in their coverages and uncharacteristically exurbia roads has not been his usual shut down south. And when you have trae Wayne's opposite of that Anderson day ho struggling, you got a nickel corner like Mike use, who is capable of making splash plays, but is still drinking through a fire hose as a rookie. And you get the feeling that this is an area where the eagles can win and looking at their past and they really do need to manufacture some of these explosive plays because the eagles offense so far hasn't been really good at it. I do remember the last year I watched Alcyone Jeffrey against exurbia roads every snap that they played against each other in their career and l. Sean played quite will against him in had some answers for roads and it wasn't always the most robust stat line. But Al Sean is the type of guy that gives rose problems and roads has been struggling bit. This yards. Entire secondary has been struggling. This year. So how do you feel about the matchups with these corners? And actually, the one question I had for you. The follow question I have for you is about Anthony Barr. I feel he's being unjustly blamed for lot of the coverages that he ends up in that aren't necessarily his responsibility, but that's how bad I think the secondary is busting overall that he ends up on a guy like Cooper cop, right? So we'll talk about a general pattern matching ideas. So one of the the common tropes that you have to have in a pattern match offense because pattern matches are kind of predicate on the idea that okay on the backside, those receivers going to kind stay there. And then on the front side will be able to deal with all these receivers going around and all these crossers and quick mesh crossers f this defense up. And the reason is because in the linebacking in the India of the underneath middle of the field zones, you have to have a push call and a push call basically says like, I'm the strong side backer. I'm pattern matching the three wide receiver side with Nickelback with safety with the cornerback. But to crossers come direction to inside releases, come my way I have to make a push call. I have to basically tell the defense and then the will backer behind me. Listen, we gotta push this zone further to the weak side push. I can't take the first crosser usually my responsibility. I think the second crosser somebody else got the first cross six, I take the first grocer. Saint cross are gonna be wide open. So that Cup situation, I'm relatively certain. I'm not positive. I've studied the defense well enough. I don't know what match. They ran a melting certain bar. It was a really nice little wrinkle. They had jet sweet jet motion coming from the strong side to the weak side, which drags bar in right bar react to that. He steps towards the weak side. Right? And then once he realizes it's play action, what's what's your instinct? It's go back to where you were right now, but they've got Cup now again, coming from the strong side to the weakside he crosses bar space, shoots right up the field and so Barr. Like, you know, I gotta come left. I gotta go, right? I gotta go again, very panic. They put him in a really conflicting spot. And I think that's. Because they know that that week's backers responsibility was to take that I media cross right when they get a mesh cross right away Minnesota's pushing him to the week backer again. 'cause they're very comfortable leaving Xavier Rhodes one. Oh one back there. The leaves zeros wanna one on the weeks. I with the receiver. So that weeks backer doesn't really have that many responsibilities. Okay. So I think that they probably adjusted that. So as to let bor- just play the jet motion and then have the safety roll down to the cross. That's what I would do. You would take your mother Pearl. Issues with with his local fire stay as a fire truck going on? Yes, five, how many fires are being lit in your city? Here's my fear is NFC championship game after party a shot. I had a fire station across my old apartment and we rarely have these problems, but that fire station had to fire trucks. I think it was like exclusively local station, right? I live much closer to a main road now, and so I think a not necessarily getting five trucks from that old station. The again, five trucks that are relocating that are moving around. This is insane because like usually I get these at night. We are recording at noon. Look, this is what we. We need to figure out something for the podcast that we do. We just stop and do it. Every time we hear a fire truck is going to be drink, take shots because shots of your Arnold Palmer. All right. I think we're good. Please continue. At least that's what I would do is I would be rotating the safety down. So bar just goes for the jet motion, and then you take your weakside safety, even if it's the free safety new rotate 'em at the snap with the with the motion. You let him take the first cross. It's gonna leave you uncover zero, but then you're not asking bar aroma slot receivers. But again, Mike again, Cooper cups. Lineup in reduces in the situation. He has the potential to be a run blocking player, right? He has the potential to crack block to down block, do a little crack toss, sorta thing by the way, Philadelphia love that crack toss against the play week. Three. The colts? Yeah, they gotta do that again, cracked gotta come back in a big way. That's another thing about the condense blitz that you get to that wide receiver on line backer in the new gig, you're running back on defensive back, right? So you've gotta go ahead. You have to crack toss for shore cop is a potential crack, walk in the situation. They have to keep a linebacker and they need to be prepared for the run. Yeah, reduce swift. You've got extra blockers in the box. You can use those guys. So this is really great game planning by McVay as we've come to expect. But we should also expect great game planning from Doug Peterson that we've seen a lot of so man reduce flits very quick crossers coming across those quick mesh crossers. You're gonna get linebackers on those guys for sure. And then being able to work the flats with running backs. The final point that I would make just kind of in this schema, and this is something I discussed on last year's pods. This is something that I've written about in the, I think it will bring this year's pods, Philadelphia Eagles. Offense is a backside offense. It is a weak side offense. I will die on this hill. A simply comes down to the idea of like would you rather have seven blockers blocking a seven-man box or five lockers blocking a five-man box when you're running the football? When the answer is five men blocking five men, yeah, firemen lying. There's less room for, you know, ridiculousness there's less room for chaos, and this is generally more space. Now you don't need seven guys to execute. I that you more space for the running back to operate him by the same token when the eagles have the option to throw to the three receiver side, which has you know four defenders there or the to receiver sides got three defenders there. They vary frequently run their offense through the weak side, right? Because there's more space. Yeah, there's there's, there's less people. There is more space to throw the football, which is a very easy idea. Weakside action basketball, right? That's just where you wanna go with with the ball, but. Something that that so many offenses have just been predicated in history with like, all right, we gotta run this route concept. We need three receivers. We throw to the strong side. The eagles are very comfortable going to the backside against the Vikings. You will get four over three to the strong side. You will get five over three to the strong side and you will get one on one to the weak side all the time. And this is why the flats become open because you asking Anthony Barr, Eric Hendrix from the middle of the field to go catch Corey, Clement out on the flat because you read him out to the weakside. So what what you should expect to see a ton of backside work for Philadelphia, especially if the offense. Clearly something's going on. This is been for like twenty minutes to the be concerned 'cause his earn outbreak. If these are your last words, I want you to make them good ones Ben, especially if the offense isn't necessarily clicking at all on all cylinders, if things aren't going great, then you are just taking your 'isolation backside matchups. You gotta take sack hurts against, you know, Harrison Smith as the backside actually alshon. Verse erodes is the backside x. and you just gotta go for it. Put you on the spot most receiving yards. This game for eagles receiver, tight end running back who gets the most who gets the biggest chunk of this pi. It's very interesting because who'd you guess was the leading receiver from the bills Vikings game, probably some weird tight end public the bills. It was Chris ivory with seventy yards. 'cause receivers, you're gonna pick a wide receiver on a dummy. Yet. He had one. He had one catch for fifty five yards which kinda like put him over, right, but they had, you know, thirty yards, Andre homes, thirty yards. Kelvin Benjamin like it was just it was. Yeah, they have had. They had short feels Yanase short field sell running back. Awesome. Happy said the eagles showed that they can take offense to throw deep on it. I am going to take out Sean Jeffrey. He's going to be the guy that go for Bs. I simply see him getting a another very healthy amount of target share. So there you go opportunity. Production rose is going to have to come out for a play. They're gonna have l. Sean, Jeffrey tagged on one of those one of those days where he just takes it up the field like it in the championship game, like they did that a few times that game. I think they saw something there. So yeah, I'm else on Jeffrey would have been my guy. You still got Zakar twos out there getting fourteen targets last game. So he's definitely threat to that would love to see a little bit more Tallus gutter this game, get him in the passing game. He's been. He's been awesome. Even though he was what he was targeted two times last game, but he was saw in the run game. He's been. He's been good for us. So overall your feelings about this offense and how many points are going to score. Let's let's wrap it in with the final score prediction. Let's do it that way. Final score. I'm gonna go twenty seven, nah. While I want go the over this game. I mean if you take twenty seven twenty you've got the over now twenty seven hundred thirteen. I'm afraid to be great. I'll take the under twenty seven thirteen but they control this whole thing. The only thing I'm really concerned about is the deep play action shots from the Vikings. I think that's what can kill us if we can't figure out what we want to be as coverage unit schematically and with personnel to and then on the offense of side of the ball for the eagles. I'm mostly concerned with giving up pressure to those. Those double mug looks if yeah, to recalibrate my expectations now that Isaac sale Melo's starting left guard. That's what I mean. You're feels like you're adding new communication issues that aren't really necessary. You should be going to get one more week to try to get right. Maybe they did. Maybe they did last week and was ski was on the same page because him in Peter's didn't work all that great together in the last game. So trying something because of that, I will say that Stalin was really trying to sell us on the idea that sale below was much better this year. I remember that in the off season and you're like. Naci be real, which he was like, he's really the most improved linemen. We have here which I wanted to be like, okay, the fact that my Lada couldn't take a pass set when he came and now can just literally like he has to be the most improved vendors like scientifically. But anyway, I feel like most improve is just he's getting a bad rap because the snapping a my point was, well, you know, like if you can't snap in, you're not a good center no matter what else you can do. So if he's left guard, like if he improved, which which I don't think style is just like be asking us to make samll feel better. He's not that sort of a coach. We're gonna find out very soon against Sheldon Richardson level Joseph, in my opinion. I'm Joseph, both of them actually be. I mean, that's both of them are good test. We're gonna know right away from this game every find really excited for that. Like I said. I'm not sure I'm not sure what set on the anti Carlson show, which is a Vikings as Mike, my Ron, if you wanna listen to that, that was a good time or if I said it here. But yeah, this this, this, like it's not gonna be, you know, twenty one fourteen is going to be like seventy three or thirty eight thirty seven grant only two outcomes I possibly sleet on. I mean I think what the most under appreciated reported kind of idea is that that kind of breaks for me is that this eagles defence knows per cousins quite well. That has been able to play well against her cousins in the past has been able to really hassle. Kirk cousins on as we saw in the buffalo game, and even in the in the Green Bay game, cousins will turn the football over in very stupid wiz. So you get pressure with front four you for forcing cousins to get off of his rhythm. That was way because of Washington of a much better offense of line in Washington. So to me, I think this is a game where I still -ticipant the defense to be able to be quite successful, be able to move cousins off his spot. To force them stupid turnovers to get the eagles into weird short field situations, like kind of happen with buffalo. So I am gonna take Philadelphia. I do to save them winning. I would say I do not think we're going to clear the over on this one. Usually just the overs might go to bed. I know that there's a lot of love for the over right now. Eagles camera handle wide receivers digs Phelan are the only offense right now, Minnesota, Minnesota defense can't really handle anything at this point. They really been struggling. See the play action narrative has been a big one. Philadelphia runs a lot of play action, but I'm concerned about that offensive line and now especially with Sam below in there that does worry me a bit. I'll give it to Philadelphia seventeen to seven in ugly one pay. Yeah. I just pay like, you know, like annoying turnovers, some drive stalls, some four thousand failures. This Vikings defense is really good at getting off the field. This eagles defence is also really good at like, let you get down on the score may go like sixteen six linked, like way, more scoring opportunities, just way more. Field goals. There have been some ugly execution things going on with the eagles. Hopefully that gets cleaned up. But if they don't, that's what the score is gonna look like. 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The Kist & Solak Show #89: Ranking the Eagles' Needs

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The Kist & Solak Show #89: Ranking the Eagles' Needs

"Kissed copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed Solex show presented pine SP nation and bleeding great nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show this absorb eighty nine brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kiss while my work at bleeding, greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin. So lack follows work at the draft network dot com. Follow him on Twitter at Benjamin. So like, that's SOL. Kate, Ben, how're you doing brother? My every day as I always say good day to be alive. Happy eighty nine podcast which grave was eighty nine training camp. Do very nice, then he went to f- was good, and hopefully, he'll be back house Disney. Disney was amazing the little the little magical magical. Indeed. The we baby Gus has got to meet buzz light year. It was very eye enthralled by him. All we were waiting there. And then as soon as buzzed got up on them. You realize how big you was got a little scared like this is not life size. But what he looks like in the in the movies, Mike, I hate to break this to you, you know, buzz lighter. He's not real right? You wanna believe in Santa Claus? You do that. I wanna believe in buzz light year. I'll do that. Okay. Yeah. I wanna believe in Johnny Thompson. That's what I wanna believe him. Yeah. It's too bad. You had to roll back on that take which we're gonna get to because this is didn't roll back on it. This is all a big ramp up towards our yearly big board fight. So what we're going to do? I today. The main topic is going to be ranking the eagles needs that on the next show. We are going to rank those positions are positional rankings with our prospects in there, and then that's going to lead into our final official. Big board fight. I'm starting to release my big board on Twitter right now. With miss we videos, but right now before we get there. Okay. Into that topic. Thank spent we're going to talk about some official visits and get you updated on the top thirty draft visits that are headed to Philadelphia offer. First up is Aaron Jonas state wide receiver Nikial hairy. Big, dude. Six two in three eight two hundred twenty eight pounds. Right. A four or five three at the combine and most impressively hit thirty eight and a half inches on the Vert looking at his production to thirteen career catches two thousand eight hundred eighty nine yards. Twenty two receiving touchdowns adds three rushing touchdowns and one punt return. Touchdown Ben when we did our overrated underrated segment a month or so ago. Harry was one of your guys on the overrated side, and I agreed with you. And we were really surprised with the lack of physicality throughout the route stem for dude of his impressive stature that said. The tools are obviously there I believe I ended up the late second on him. He's going to be somewhere around that wide receiver five wide receivers. Six seven stacks. Oh, I don't hate them. But I think we're more concerned than we are excited about what he's bringing right now. And I believe he's more of a projection based on his physical and athletic profile than he is a finished product. Would you agree with me there? He isn't what years generally thought of as. And that's like where we start. Yeah. So number one, the dynasty community, absolutely loves them. Right. Unlike fantasy Debbie like that arena. And that really can be really helpful in discovering players were under appreciate it. When it comes to the top layers might pinion you gotta win with film. Right. Harry wildly productive. You know, yards per catch in yards per contact market share. What have you so many screens so many designed touches which is like he's not the sort of player you typically think of as having designed touches. But so so many designed touches for the guy who's got great yak ability. The reason that we easily can mistake Harry as because he also has really really great contested catches. So we see like a super productive guy with a huge market. Share was also making wild catches down the field say, okay. So that's awesome. Well, the wild catches in the production like two separate things. The production comes from a lot of like, I said design schemed short touches, Harry as a route runner Harry as a set. Separator is not very strong is there's there's a lot of gaps in his game. Especially for a player physical ability you'd expect for him to be more polished in these areas, he very clearly can like drop his hips and snap off a break. So why isn't he doing it? Very clearly has an explosive profile ten yards. Why isn't he separating on top of that? We say okay separation is important for receivers. But separation doesn't mean there's other doesn't always mean. There's like this much space between the corner and the wide receiver the corner. Can't even touch him. Now, you can separate with leverage you can separate with body position. You can separate with with size without running those many different ways to create throwing windows when we talk about separation. We're really talking about creating throwing windows. JJ Sega Whiteside out of Stanford. Big body grade at separating the came Metcalf out of ole miss grey body, explosive body, like Nikial grade at separating even got like a Riley Ridley not a huge body, but really excels at creating throw. Windows without necessarily blowing by corners, Nick heels effort and his willingness to just accept physicality willingness to just like let himself be redirected within the first five yards makes it very difficult for him to be part of passing concepts where he's not the only re- the primary fed target because he's not getting to his space on time in the correct amount of steps and it forces quarterbacks to trust him, which at on state. You didn't really have them any better options, but at the NFL level when you're integrated into a passing game with one guy, you know, the slack is regularly getting openings on time showing hands on the heels just like, you know, waiting for a fifty fifty ball. He's not gonna get the same amount of targets. Nikki keel was most successful as a big slot receiver where he did not have to deal with press coverage as often, and he was able to utilize to way goes to maximize his yak ability. He should be considered that sort of prospect moving forward athletically, ceiling wise, he can be Allen Robinson like good Jaguars Allah Robinson, which is exciting. NS an extra. Ver- and a starting accident impactful one, but he isn't that right now. And it's unrealistic to expect him to step into the NFL that in year one and to your point on the yards after contact yards after catch. He's at seven point one yards after catch consistently got a lot after the catch. And that's where the physicality with him really came out. It was the most impressive part of his game for me. So I agree with you on a lot of those points. What do you make it that the eagles brought him in? And they also bring AJ Brown in who's a wide receiver out of ole miss spent a lot of time in the slot there when decay now Metcalf was hurt he moved to the outside showed some struggles. I press, but you know, obviously, a big I think is like what to twenty six something along those lines. So they're bringing in these big wide receivers with slot experience. What does that mean is this is them trying to look at maybe someone that down the line could eventually replace alshon, Jeffery? Like, let's start to look at big wide receivers. And we might not take one this year. But at least we'll know what we like or. Or is this something where they're saying? Let's look at Nelson lors long-term picture here. And we want to go big slot. We wanna have the biggest tall trees slots in the frigging league. We're gonna be like Stanford in the NFL with all their big guys, and we're gonna have alshon Jeffery and Nikial, Harry, and we're gonna these big dudes operating for with our tight ends Zakar. It's and Dallas Goddard who take a lot of reps out of the slot that more of the line of big. And you think yeah. I mean to me when I just looked from a contract perspective. Right. I mean galore is gone next year unless they resign him and Jeffries through two thousand twenty one that's the last year of his contract as correct? And if I look through the contract, I don't obviously you've got him, you know, after twenty twenty probably that. I don't really think it makes sense guys going to is as average contact numbers thirteen million which to me is already a deal is not even thirty yet. I think he just turned hundred in his twenty nine years old is February fourteenth you turned twenty nine. So he's a young twenty nine. Oh, so he just turned twenty. Okay. And so yeah, you could cut him in twenty Twen. To twenty twenty one and say yourself thirteen million. But to me, I just I'd rather just keep l Shaw, right and pay him thirteen million. I'm really I'm very comfortable with that. So to me, I don't think this Oush, Sean, I think is more Acura replacement and when you're out of the slot will wins without running explosiveness. You don't have to win that way out of the slot. You obviously can win with big slot Sal receivers, which AJ Brown, and he'll Harry are. But they're not sacrificing on athleticism. That's important to remember. They're not gonna be as quicker as close with also heavier than Gore's so for their weight Brown in Harrier, both great athletes. And so it's not like, you're you're you're totally giving up on that aspect of winning out of the slot. They can both Joe win with two goes with witness accordingly. It's not like playing Kelvin Benjamin the slot. These guys were actually athletes, right? I really liked that. And we've talked about I wore my opinions on him before. I just don't see him as a guy that you know, is necessarily worth a big second contract. So I love that potential idea. I even would go so far as to say they were already sniffing. This tree with the mccollum's pick two years ago MAC on six four to twenty and have experienced plan slot. That's interesting. What do you think of it being a big smokescreen for them taking a smaller shiftier guide to put in the slot? That's a positive night. How Peter King said that they should draft marquees Brown at twenty five overall number one. No, let's not do that. Because that is not a top twenty five player. Not a top thirty player. I don't think a top forty player on my board right now. And when you had to Sean Jackson, I don't think reaching for a speed threat is exactly what you wanna do. If you're the Philadelphia Eagles, especially with a guy like especially on who's worse than Tucson was reexamined where I was going with that. So yeah, not gonna go with that. But do you see it as a pie because these visits they do them for a lot of reasons I've already brought up. The fact that end teams do this quarterback to they'll bring it a quarterback because they might not necessarily take one. But they think they might have to take down the road. They wanna get together. They they wanna know what kind of player that they're looking for. That's a possibility this possibility that they actually want a big slot receiver. It's a possibility. They're trying to throw people off the trail sibility looking for a smaller shiftier wide receiver. They're in the slot. These official visits could mean a lot of different things. What's interesting is that the the same profile in the eagles do have attell with positions that they bring in. So you think at all that a smaller shiftier slot guy is a possibility maybe even not necessarily a smaller one because like deebo Samuel from South Carolina's fairly rocked up to sixteen the waited at two fourteen at the combine is he is he kind of guy that you think they may be looking at as well. Yeah. I mean, I wanna bullet out because if the players aren't available and you wanna wide receiver then you just draft. The automated now this is kind of what I've been really trying to hammer home athlete relation dot comrade about a couple of times teams if I way the players in the drafts how do they do? So while they have like player profiles, not dissimilar to what the draft never dot com has wonder where we got that idea on those player profile is going to be full of information predominantly athletic testing, and you know, film study. But also this going to be the background notes that are accumulated by scouts over the years. And there's going to be the notes on on demeanor ability to work in team leadership workout ethic at cetera et cetera. If there's an area of that evaluation where you feel incomplete like, Nikki, Harry is a great example. I cover the patch law for the draft network. I've had some good access to the Arizona state program last year. So in twenty eight teen looking back on keel. Harry's performance in the twenty seventeen season. I mean teams would be going down to earth. Zona state check out Christian Sam their linebacker who came out right off its alignment who came out as well. And they're, you know, getting notes on the killed Harry weather there. And the coaching staff, obviously, different coaching staff was telling them like listen to keel like barely shows up for practice. He's not engaged doesn't. Listen doesn't try on me. He's got a bad attitude. There were reports that people mayors on a state flat out told NFL decision-makers, listen, don't draft keel. It's not gonna work. He's gonna boss like when he comes out next year. Don't do it re four fastball clock a year under her Edwards. Sneaky, Harry, reportedly been much more active member of practice participation has been a much more willing to do different things. You see that he moved heavily to the slot. This year, you know, you have to that's a pill. You have to swallow wide receiver, you know, big six three to ten wide receiver doesn't wanna move to the slot. But it's what you know kinda needed to do to help the offense. So that you can see that reflected in talking with other guys talking Lee this twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen transition is something that I've heard from multiple people. Let's say the eagles don't feel super comfortable with understanding Nikila personality, how change twentysomethings eighteen will bring him in and talk about it in even if. If you aren't going to draft him, even if you don't want Mikhael, Harry, you do not want to drop them. Well in three years when you're building a trade with the titans four x y z and they try to throw in a keel Harian who they drafted in the top of the second round has ever panned out for them. And you go to look at your, you know, your valuation your plan pro pump between nineteen draft. You have a big area. That's incomplete about. This guy's practice ethic. Will now you don't know what your trading for you? It's not like you can meet with him. Like, you can't now you can't go meet with him in Tennessee. Like, hey, we might trade for you. So are you in a whole like no, you don't have that access? Right. The you do for the draft. So you have to fill out those aspects of the evaluation. So that in four years down the road when these players heading free agency, you know, the person as best you can that you're getting the right? You have a good feel for that thinks change during a top with other teams, etc. But that's part of it. You want to have that if I wish complete and so you bring in players who have income. Eagles to finish their eagles. That is the first objective of the, you know, quote, unquote, top thirty visits. Let's talk about that. Because another official. Visit is Georgia cornerback Andre Baker. Who disappointed I thought at the combine didn't love his tamp. He's got some fighting this them that I enjoyed but at his size. I don't know how much of that can be as calling card in the NFL. Plus to your point. There are some rumblings about work ethic and attitude concerns, and he was the second cornerback. They brought in the other being Houston quarterback. Isaiah Johnson who tested much better than him quarterback is one of the last positions. I really need to finalize pass the main guys because we really haven't seen it as a big needier. So kind of working through with the eagles need as I go through these guys. But alas you Ben who was higher on your board Johnson or Baker. What fits what the eagles do defensively? In. Would you agree? That Baker is another candidate that they wanted to bring in like, you mentioned with Harry as far as the guy that you might have some character concerns about and you want to bring in the building to confirm that. Yes. So little big boards boiler here. John. Jay Baker is gonna be higher for me as it Johnson. Same which I don't really like Baker that much and I like Johnson a lot but like relatively for. They are read so bakers my corner. Four and he's a early round to grade for me is as Johnson Warner ten and he is a round four grade for me. So it's early to provide your Baker round four Johnson. Bring a great example Baker absolutely has worked the concerns. Those the belief that he could have tested a lot better at the combine at his pro day if he had worked hard the pre-draft process, but he just chill end. So you know, what I mean like you tested. He's a cover to corner. He he needs to play up into line of scrimmage. He needs to be protected deep. This not Philadelphia not just put off he's going to ask you to play with a single high safety there and ask you play cover through. They're gonna ask you to be responsible for the various of the field. And that's where baker's is tape is difficult, and that's where back by testing. So you bring him out work ethic. Questions is AM Johnson is a wide receiver conference a corner who has played two years. And also is reportedly really really smart grape football intelligence. So you bring him head first you've got him on the boat. Right. And Secondly, will you see just exactly where his developmental track is at. So you can figure out where it is. You wanna bring him in? When you think you'd be valuable for you on your team because he's he's a converts. There isn't nearly as much tape or positional coaches to lean on his position 'cause he's only been there for two years. What do you know? With this limited experience where are you mentally and physically with the position, right? So Johnson makes more sense. What the eagles like because he's more comfortable in a cover three. And he's going to be at his best N A press, cover three. What we call the Seattle cover throughout where he's not eight yards off the ball of the eagles. Eagles corners are but he's up on the line which eagles integrate that. So like, you know, that's where we're still does the most comfortable, right but repeal their as much as they can. So Johnson makes more sense of the fed yells makes more sense for the value. He's gonna be like around three round four guy and Philadelphia wouldn't be spending twenty five or a trade up which will have suspend Baker to get him. Then I continually see cornerback mocked to the eagles in round one. If we were to put a percent on it real quick before we go to the break here. What percent do you believe are the chances of the eagles taking quarterback round one? I would put them. One and a half percent. What about you up at two percent? Here's the main thing because this has had so much smoke to it. And it's very important that it's not fire. It's smoke because it's just the media doing it. Right would vary important. Yeah. I mean eagles have brought in three corners visits. I get that. But still I don't think any of them are I whether any first round corners in there. The are Lardy is maybe Penn State kid. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe but even he'd be surprise mostly media driven smoke. But then once we see it in the cyclone up we start talking selves into I think, that's what you're seeing happen. Now, we're getting close listen in actually, maybe could happen number one. It still doesn't make sense for the six players on the roster. Number two. It's still doesn't make sense for how Rosen builds the team at number three. And this is critical the talking into it has become like, listen, there's a good chance at the best player on the board at twenty five is a corner. And that's coming from the logic of like Byron Murphy ingredients the two top corners in the draft. Both probably. Like being ranked in the teens by most teams, and then like potentially not going and sitting around the idea that Roseman would draft the first round corner at twenty five because it's the best player there and not move or draft. A good player more impactful position is just like dot understanding how Rosen work they're the only way it happens is if there's a very clear plan in place to move Jalen mills knife, Ronald Darby. Scientists will Douglas only what happens and if threes than than it's much higher chance. But the idea that like, oh, well shocks looks like the best player. Here's twenty five. Wish we could have gotten out of this pick wish I could draft in edge. What the other guys are better. It's not it's not it's not not gonna have it by assault. David long the quarterback for Michigan draft the eagles on Mike. God man number was asked many times about that pick. And I decided to say nothing about trade all the way the hell out if that's the pick. You wanna make in my opinion? I like David long, but not it's five. So that's gonna. Continuing discussion until the draft happens. And continuing our discussion after the break is going to be ranking the eagles top needs heading into the draft. I can give you a clue cornerback is not one of the top ones. So we'll hit that up when we come back from the break here on the kissing Solex show here on bleeding green Asian. Hi, this is Jim fax. Check out our podcast step over. We'll be ballers podcasts at work for all of your Sixers needs. Jayme breakdowns and a headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcast feed. An I tune Stitcher Spotify or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. And we are back here on the kissed and so lack show episode eighty nine brought to you by the fine folks at Espy nation and bleeding green nation ban. I kinda wanna start this top need talk by qualifying immediate need versus long-term need, and we can work under that umbrella. So right now, I think the spots were at replacement level starters is your second and third linebacker spots. I'm only gonna call the second one starter because the eagles are nickel and dime. More than they are in base with reliant baecker set. So second linebacker commuters hill someone like that. I think that's replacement level. Maybe it's Eljay for but still, you know, kind of an improving guy that I like probably higher on the lot of people. But at the same time, I understand if you want to upgrade that position I get it. So along with that you had your left guard spot with Isaac c Amal who's on a extremely big time. It deal worth very little money than possibly running back with us less of a concern. Especially now with drafting or trading for Jordan. In howard. And with the committee that the eagles run and really depending on the performance and health of Jason Peters in two thousand nineteen you're looking at left tackle than are any of those positions your top need for the eagles heading into the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. And I tried to stretch that as far as I could cause I see that you're eating again, not push it up. Here's my main question. Did you say safety wasn't listening? I did not say safety. I kind of put that. None of those teams are my none of those positions on our biggest new, okay? So safety is your biggest Knicks. I have that as a long-term Nita stunned immediate replacement level starters. Because you still have cloud used dont Jenkins. Right. And then you know, you third your third safety is only gonna get say the eagles run. It may be forty percent of the time. They go big. But you know, with the Madison Square declassify MRs safety the nickel like Attia trust that out hairs, right, right? And that's true. The immediate or long term thing. Here's the main thing is something I've wanted to talk about for while the eagles roster, Mike, he's very very good. Yeah. Eagles roster is like, hey, let's mess around and win a Super Bowl championship in twenty nineteen good. If we're talking about twenty two starters, the new base very tough to find the immediate need the eagles. Don't have like we've talked about this. They do not have a position they need to get a starter at the really really don't write a twenty nineteen starter. They don't. And so to me it becomes which position sub package. Wise will provide the most value, and then also provides value twenty twenty I'm beyond mass for safety wins out for me. But the reason that is is because the eagles rosters. Barry ferry. Very good friends and so twenty two starring players they don't need a starter anywhere. So that's an interesting way to look at it. Because they don't like I said I qualified it with the sort turn me, and that's just replacement level storage. We could be fine with Isaac c Malo rocketed left guard. We can be fine with Eljay hill. And the thing is the eagles are going to be fine. Same left guard. The eagles are I would be shocked like I know that we're getting. Lynch from. But I don't think the bringing Lynch like replace a model left carbon. It doesn't make sense for how they approached the position they extended Sam they let walked switch them in the middle of the year, and we know stout. Love same all. So I don't think they're going to be drafting guards down they need one. So when you talk about so packages, let's talk about the interior defensive line because you could honestly say that that's a so package with how much they wanna rotate guys in the depth there. We can talk about edge to because on the edge. You don't know Chris long is coming back a lot of things depend on what's happening in the draft. If he's gonna come back. You obviously want some playing time in doesn't wanna just be pushed out of the rotation. But he's a valuable piece of stays. But we don't know that will hold off on counting him as a surefire piece that we have coming into next year. You've got the rotation of Brandon Graham who's awesome that he's back. And then you got Derek Bornet who's returning from injury. Former fourteenth overall, selection, I think everyone knows that me and Ben aren't the biggest Barnett fans. I think we both had second round grades on him coming into the draft. Let's going up that I'd like to address a rumor medal. I. I did not have Josh latte rank higher Dirk minds better player. Anyway, continue that's militias. Rumors going around this this this time of year. Okay. So you look at that. And you can obviously say, yeah. Let's out a piece to that. What kind of PC add do add to that wear in the draft. You do it. How big of it is needed for you. Then you look at the interior defensive line. We've got believe Jackson who struggles against the run, but his very good against the past or above average against the pass. However, you wanna splice it? Then you've got Fletcher Cox now what's behind them, Trayvon Hester. And some other practice squad guys, they may call up, sewn and so forth. We don't know how the team feels about Hester. I thought he was solid surprise me at the end of last year with this play. Also got us a winner, Chicago. So shout out the him. But at the same time a guy who's even more. So flying up my board than it was before his Christian Wilkins. He's a guy that the eagles will love if he's at twenty five then I'm taking a swing on them. And even beyond that. I mean, this interior defensive line Klassen as class is very very good. So if you get. Twenty five and you get a guy like a clear furrow there or Montas sweat Ozzy. His stock has flown since this since the combine he's going he's going really high. But you know, maybe you see a guy like Brian burns start to fall down the draft order. You are looking to trade for someone like that like how much emphasis do you put on adding through the trenches after your number one need, which you've already said is safety. That's that's the debate. Right. That's the cross. That's the whole the long the short of it is K we need safety probably better than everybody else. All right. Well Benz guide, you know, twenty two overall this year Adderley out of Delaware, right? Twenty six overall Jerry Tillery evens tackle at Notre Dame Tillery for twenty five they're both available. Well, misuse rank tire Chile. Plays a more backward position. Right. Especially on your one. Right. So, you know, in that this is this is what it is to to be in the drafting to make these tough calls to me. I firmly expect I- Cianci's Chauncey garner. Johnstown, Florida is my dream pack at twenty five. Hello fiftieth, overall player for me nasl Dodd think he can replace Malcolm Jenkins or Rodney McLeod, whoever you want a combo think. He's the man by the way, they Zach same slotting for Transi garner. Johnson is my fifth overall. We should do a podcast gather Cianci. Yeah. Dream player. But I expect the eagles to go one of three positions in the first round Neva tackle tackle misses. I don't they fundamentally understand that winning happens through the trenches. When the they've enjoyed one of the league's best offense lines over the past couple of years. Twenty seventeen no unit was playing better in the league in the eagles off the line. And obviously the pass rush and the entire defense is Bill off of the front for and critically being too deep on the front for having eight guys who can get up to the past the after the passer. So to me, I expect to be one of those three spots. I will like, you know, if you ask me the Tillery question probably at the end of the day. I picked Hillary for that reason at twenty five, you know, obviously, you feel differently on atr Landau you like. I do. But it's a matter of the eagles understand that if they're going to win it will be through dominance in the trenches. That's how you're gonna win on the defense side of the ball in the NFL. And then offensively it makes me tire offense click, so I would expect them to go defensive trenches. But overall, I expect them to go trenches with with twenty five. That's that's like the most pressing need from a value. Plus roster perspective. Yeah, I'm pretty high on Hillary to is my twenty seventh overall player, and I would definitely understand the pick in the way you're explaining. It was perfect. I mean, I would get it. Obviously on man, I'm higher on outerly. But at the same time, you know, there is my board. Then there's the eagles board. And I would totally understand the pick. Now one thing I wanted to ask you is. Because the one of the first things I mentioned was the replacement level starters. And you're you're hoping you're getting that at least outta Jason Peterson two thousand nineteen but he's not the most durable guy. Now, I understand that the way that the board falls to twenty five especially with Texas right in front of us isn't exactly great for offense tackle, so. Was that why we're not mentioning it as much because I could argue, and I will argue that offense tackle is my second biggest need possibly be my first biggest need coming into this draft. How high is often to tackle for you? Because we've been pounded the table for offense of tackle for two years. Now as far as long-term goes have you fallen off that train now I would tackle to proudly behind safety. And here's what it comes down to for me. And this is the easiest thing to forget that if lane Johnson does one wrong protein bar. He is spent two years. So the eagles could go from one hundred zero in like a week at the vision top two Rights Act on the league and a top ten fifteen at this point is career left tackle league could all right season to injury suspension. Halfon big the enjoyed a lot like Thome Mora screwed. Exactly that makes tackle huge physician need. What has to happen for the eagles to acknowledge tackle as that big position? As that second. Overall position of need is a willingness to move on from big v because you're gonna wanna keep Jordan my lot of rostered, I'm assuming right? You know, like I I don't think year too early enough to like set sail on that project. If he still needs time which imagining he does he think you're trying to keep him around you. It'd be really tough to roster five pure tackles. So Peter lane big v my Lada in rookie, especially when you have Matt prior who can play tackle in Isaac Sam who can heavy quotes play tackle. So you wouldn't really be able to Ross five. So if you're gonna draft the guy early the, you know, you're gonna roster him you have to be willing to move on from big the big I believe this season is in a contract year will might be easier from a, you know, bringing the roster down fifty three men perspective is don't drop the starting tackle this year. Stay with big your backup. Stay with. Peter's is your incumbent. They both leave and then you draft less Hackel slash right. Tackle replacement in twenty two. Twenty. But then you have to start rookie slash order. My Lada which could obviously go fine. But rookies as hard asked him to start in your one, especially the tackle position you'd like to be able to draft the guy in give him a year and then start on twenty twenty. But from a roster voting perspective that can get trickier. So they have to be willing to move off from big b and you just wanna cut him. You definitely want to trade him because that will be a team that will give you something. Good for big V because he's a tackle was starting experience. Literally, that's all you need to be like kind of worthy of something. So I think it's too you think it's too. I don't think the eagles think it's too until we start hearing more about how to buy and when they're willing to move on from him. If holy to ties stops the eagles from getting on the phones if Cody four from Oklahoma or two lawn Taylor from Florida or one of those guys starts to slide into the teens. I will be very very upset. You will have to physically restrain me from charging the war room. That's how I feel about that. Like if there's a pa-. -sition for me to move up on a couple of players to move up on secure your left tackle position for the for the long term and protect your dog on quarterback missin, though, the two top ten players for me. Jeff Gordon Taylor to in. All our I can't tell you how they want Cody for this team. I think Cody Ford and lane Johnson both Oklahoma kids both of the psychopaths that book. Ed would be Larry all. Yeah. I think the amazing. Yeah. I love him in space to let a lot of stuff at the eagles like to do. I mean, they pulled their guys in Oklahoma all the time. He's awesome on the move. So he's going to do a lot of things that the eagles wanna do. Which is also Cody Ford again top top ten player for me. So I'm definitely getting on the phones, especially if he falls pass eleven which I think is Cincinnati like that. I'm starting to starting to put some feelers out. But we've talked about that before. So let's finalize this before we get out of here. Ben number one. We have safety is our top eight number two. We have offensive tackle be prepared to fight about your positional rankings on these positions on the next show. Number three Howard. Are we sussing out interior defensive line? Verse ads are we put him in the same bucket is at a ties three three b situation. Or is the clear is there a clear line of the marcation for you there to me edged wins. Yeah. Because Maliki in Flach will those down the next year? Brian Graham will definitely be on the team for the next three years. Derek Barnett will be on the team for the next two years. Potential third year option our fifth year option for the third year right on but we don't not positive. He's good yet. The way we're positive me. Jackson fletcher. Cox are good yawn. I think Barnett is good. But the improvement is great word for it. And then Chris long gone question. Mark Vinny curry one year. Josh sweat injury prone. Joe Osman a dude on the practice squad. So I think there's there's a more likely bigger need for three slash edge to than the race for injured line three interior different line too. I like you could argue the way I'd be totally fine with it. But to me, it's edged than interior defensive line, you you you totally skipped over running back. And I'd be. To hear where you have running back in terms of this ranking here because for me running back would go before injured with line, amber, four edge, so running back is your three. Yeah. What about linebacker because I was I just wrote that down because I think we may have skipped that over two or is that your fifth or your sixth even was so what linebacker comes back down to for me. Again, is I love on the roster, and they're keeping Nitra Brad on their keeping movies hill keeping Eljay for their keeping Paul war alone. They're keeping eight year. So they have five I'm fine with it. And so on less, you're drafting Devon Bush twenty five correct? I don't see how the other guy fits in. Right. Like, I'll I'll put it this way. I will be pleasantly surprised if when they drafted the fourth-round linebacker to fight Nate, Gary the try to like, you know, push Gary, and maybe even push like Warrilow, I guess like maybe not locked in the extended WorL. But if they bring in that fourth narrative, aka may have out when a job that'd be great. I don't think they're gonna do. It now is running back your third need because you're down on Jordan. Yeah. I mean, I think Howard's of one year contract who isn't very good. I think Corey Clement had a good UT FA season for UT FA doing a lot of things he didn't do well, Wisconsin. And then this past year. I was very involved. I'm not sold that he's a thing. And then sproles has gone Yana means like, obviously, we acknowledge that there's a bevy of bodies at running back position in league always bring guys in and their production is is more offense of line based like we acknowledged that. But you do actually need players and eagles really just don't have anyone in twenty twenty that to me is like amazing now, so I can rock with us. Number one is safety. Number two offense of tackle. Number three is running back. Number four is edge number five interior defensive line number six is linebacker. Where would you put into your office of line even think of that while you're drafting cards around too? So you better thought about it five a I'm putting it before linebacker, right? Then that makes sense. What like we talk about like long-term needs versus. Media needs. But also, and this is something that I've been thinking about mulling over and it's worth talking about. There's a difference between day one needs day to day threes because on day one you're drafting starter on day two you're drafting and eventual starter slash role player on day three. You're drafting developmental guys special teamer says like different types of draft picks depending on the day and even different types of draft picks within the day, so linebackers agreed example linebacker is either a round one need for Philadelphia or it's not gripe. You know like because they have four bodies in. Komo Eljay four polo Nate Gary who like our Ross Rable and can plan special teams are fine in that one starter is random so they feel like they can get a second star out of those four than don't draft anybody. If you can't we have to go draft a store, which means it's like Anita needs need draft draft on draft. One dressing guide around four doesn't solve your problem needs shift throughout the drafts that like they chronologically so for like all its Lyman. I don't think it's a neat at all. But if it is indeed. Yeah. Round one round two because it means that they're replacing Sam, and you need to have a store level player. So that's why like one hundred percent of listening need just like an a discrete fashion. Full the whole draft is a good exercise because it brings up these conversations. But there's no way to make less one through seven. That's right. Exactly. It all depends on how the draft falls. That's good way of putting infect probably gonna move up interior office of line to five because I believed arm. I believe the upgrade there is more possible than you're gonna get from upgrading from Fletcher. Cox and Balik Jackson. I feel like you can get a late around guy in a terrier difference of line that can contribute. If you're going into your offense of line. Like, you said you need to go earlier. So I'm switching officially switching that which is going to send ripples throughout the front office of the Philadelphia Eagles. Ben that's going to do it for the kitchen Solex show Sega to the listeners. Hey, thanks for listening to the show had time has some lasts. Mason memories about eagles. Always had fun say that. You liked it on in items? We write it. And that was nice sent five stars. You are nice adventure. Like, Michael kissed sends Twitter. Subscribe listen to other shows also nice, also fun. Thank you. We all we got. We all we only need. I'll fly eagles fly. Fly. 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#71: Cam Newton, NBA and MLB Opt Outs

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#71: Cam Newton, NBA and MLB Opt Outs

"Don't know they. Along India's Blah. Trade policy. Like the Times browder. Outta care what you. Can't Wendy's. Precision. Discuss! Everybody welcome to this week's episode of you're wrong and here's why. Chris what we're joined by Greg Crone Gregory, Houria. Wonderful Chris another another wonderful day. Yeah, we're having some some technical issues today, but we're working around it and I'm excited to get into everything that's going on. I think the biggest thing we have to talk about over. The last is Cam Newton's now in New England patriot. It's I mean Chris. We were supposed to have nice things as an NFL fan this year. The Patriots were supposed to be bad. Brady was going through the bucks and probably going to fail no matter when you believe. And it was, it was supposed to be nice and then. A guy who's arguably a top ten quarterback in the league when fully healthy signs with the New England Patriots after sitting for essentially a full year. this. This was remarkably predictable, though in my mind. Yeah I think I think. What did you say you said you had said it back in April something like. Yeah! Yeah I. It just made sense because we got to a point where. It was the only opportunity for Cam to be starting quarterback in the NFL and let's not kid ourselves. There's all this talk that Oh we, it's a quarterback competition between Cam Newton and jared stem. Yeah, it's A. It's a quarterback competition between the two thousand fifteen NFL MVP and a guy who was. A borderline metro draft pick a couple years ago. Yeah, the anybody who wants to mask. This is a quarterback. Competition is completely completely kidding themselves the jobs camps. It's barring injury or some sort of unforeseen issue cam, Newton's Newton starting quarterback from New England patriots, and what a what a genius move by the Patriots to first of all it's the most Patriot move ever as the announcement comes only hours before the NFL announces, there're punishments from the Patriots from the sideline reporter the sidelined. The. Filming filming, thank you words the sideline filming out last year they lose a third round pick. They find one point one million dollars, and that gentleman is not allowed to not allowed to work in the NFL anymore been fired by the Patriots, even if he was something of a scapegoat, but they manage to change the new cycle, and have it be about how this is a positive for them rather than a new cycle about them being punished, yeah! You couldn't have played the PR. Game any better than this I mean I think. The punishment for the taping stuff has been completely overlooked because now. Everything is Cam Newton Cam Newton Cam Newton. I mean it's a masterclass in how to make your franchise. Look good. Let me Let. Let's be perfectly honest. Are, you speaking of the punishments. Are you a little surprised that it was only a third round pick in the two thousand twenty one draft given the fact that this is a team that has a history of. Let's say bending the rules. Not Not entirely because I think these incidents are so so significantly different outside of obviously, the videotaping videotaping is the part. That's the same. But but they were videotaping practices and game plans, and this is your videotaping a sideline on Game Day I. Don't Know How much I'm sure you get some some stuff out of it, I think obviously it's a little bit more advantageous to to be able to get things that a practice than than actual like game day stuff. I don't know you're you get to see? Play calls coming in, and that's a huge benefit. Because theoretically you can break that stuff down and. Then know what these teams use for their hand signals, and for their play calls. Yeah, but you're also masking a lot of that stuff. I mean. I guess you could, you could really really. Dive into the tape and try and figure out patterns and things like that for for different hand, signals and whatnot, but. I think that's a little more painstaking I think practices. These guys are a lot more open. There are a lot more open with our discussion. A lot more open with what they're talking about. Plays options opinions things like that versus the Guy Holding up the sign. That has a cheeseburger. French fries. The Warner Brothers logo and Copyright infringement by the way. Listen. Debbie the least of their worries at. Probably true so. How do we think Cam Newton and bill? Belichick will get along and Cam Newton and Josh. mcdaniels use a heck of a personality in his own right. I mean I. Don't I? Don't really remember Cam ever being a problem for the coaching, staff and Carolina. Obviously it's different because of the Patriot way the all that BS. I think though I think especially. What was the actual contract signing was at one year. Is it two years I don't. It's one year for up to seven point. Five million dollars heavily incentivize basically a minimum contract with a ton of a ton of incentives. So, you're talking about a contract. Your you WanNa you to give the best impression possible to the. To the rest of the League and also the Patriots to give them a reason to anyone a reason to give you another big contract. That's that's the goal here so I think that we're not going to see a ton of waves coming out of the Cam Newton camping, and like I said before I. Don't remember a ton of waves happening prior to this and Carolina from A. From a coaching staff and on the field issue, it's obviously cams relationship with the front office and Carolina deteriorated rather quickly. The which led to his release, and ultimately ending up now in New England, but I think I think they're gonNA. Mesh perfectly fine. It's sort of no nonsense. Obviously is what the new always appears to be and I. Don't think cams going to buck that trend. And this is yet another one of the reasons. This is just a genius. Move by the Patriots, in it pains me to say that, but can when you consider that he's probably not going to head all those incentives. Let's assume the Patriots Pay Cam. Newton now four point five million dollars this year. That's basically on par for what's the The saints are playing paying James Winston to be third string quarterback, and it's half the money chase. Daniel is making this year. Incredible deal and they lose that third round pick next year could very easily recoup a second. If Cam plays really well and then go sign somewhere else. in terms of the comic. Yeah. It stinks. It stinks that they are this good at. Sort of manipulating everything that they have on their plate, you know. They they are able to always maximize. Anything that they do from from an option standpoint did it for years with Brady and he took. Lower money every year, so they could use more money across the rest of the team. It's just another example of of being a smart franchise. There's a reason why they have sustained success for twenty years. It's not just because of coaching. It's not just because of players. It's because of Savvy Front office moves in. This is just another one. That's up there. How do you expect the Patriots offense to look you know this is an offense that just had Tom Brady for the past couple of decades, but you have basically the polar opposite type of quarterback in Cam Newton Allah Guy who is certainly more of a dual threat than the five point one two at the combine forty of of Tom Brady is this going to be dis- cam have to adjust to the Patriots or the Patriots have to adjust a Cam I think I think mcdaniels is GonNa is GonNa try to adjust to? To Cam strengths I. mean you almost have to a certain point it's. It's impossible to. Ignore the fact, that came clearly a much better athletes and Tom Brady he can move much better. He's not forty years old. Yeah, there's there's a lot that goes into into that and I think that mcdaniels one of those guys with such A. A! Good offensive mind that he's going to be able to maximize. Talent that CAM has. I'm not. GonNa say that he's going to go full option quarterbacking, but it's definitely going to be. It's definitely definitely going to be. You're going to see more more movement out of him. And getting him out of the pocket. It's not gonNA be just straight pocket passing like like we've seen for what twenty years to patron. Brady yeah. It's it's been a minute since they've had another starting quarterback then. Tom Brady will at least actual named starter rather than injury replacement. People forget that over the first eight years of his career, camale missed five games. Obviously, he's been beset with injuries over the last year and a half, but what that blinds people to is the fact that two thousand eighteen. Before he got hurt, he was having what it would pretty easily be considered his best passing season of his career, so I do think that ability is there. Oh completely. I I mean he's. He's got phenomenal arm talent I mean he made guys who were not very good. Look very good on the outside down in down in Carolina. Done through the air and I think he gets enough credit for it. I also think. Guys get, he's gets tagged. I think one of my friends was like Oh well cams only twenty nine, but he's got a sixty seven year old body I. Don't really believe that I think that's a pretty big stretch to make. You talk about a guy that that sure did. He missed the last year year and a half because of a shoulder than a foot. Injury yeah, but I mean injuries happened. That's part of football. It's a physical sport. That doesn't mean that he's injured for life. That's not that's not really how it works Donovan. mcnabb broke his foot went to four NFC championship games after that. Donovan mcnabb Louis ACL out and went to an NFC championship game. After that guys. Two guys do this all the time. That's just he's the example. I think of just because it's. The team that I pay the most attention to. Ben Ben Rothlisberger smashed his face through windshield of a car on a motorcycle right? It didn't that happen. He won super bowls. After that like I think the best example is drew brees. The chargers chargers don't resign them and make the move to draft Philip. Rivers granted not in that order because they're concerned, he's going to have long-term shoulder issues and all he did was go on to be the leading passer in NFL history. peyton manning had his neck fused together and was still able to cobble himself. Together to to to win. Another super bowl granted heavily relied on defense. Miss some games and clearly wasn't the same Peyton we'd seen, but put got it done none. The less I don't think I don't think missing a year and a half is the biggest the biggest blow to Cam Newton. From moving forward. If anything I, think it helps you know you're getting rest on that body. He looks like he's in great shape right now, but I love when we talk about Peyton Manning, and those two years in Denver are what Made Adam Gays The hot coordinator and hot coaching candidates that he was taking I peyton manning and then Tim Tebow led teams into playoffs and doing well. It's it's amazing that. You forget about the Brockett ship Brock osweiler home. He may break while he made Brock Osweiler like seventy five million dollars. Yeah Ben. osweiler man talk about overrated. Then he goes to Houston and Houston trades the second round. Pick just to get rid of him. Yeah Yeah, that was. The best. It was funny about this camp. Situation though is, he's been in a situation most of his career where how well most of his career? Fair, but over the last over the last like three or four years were there just wasn't a lot of talent around him in Carolina, and now the talent and Carolina is, is there you know they have an emerging star receiver? Dj More, they have maybe the best running back in football and Christian McCaffrey and he has to go to a patriots team that now lacks talent offense. Yeah, he certainly he certainly going to have a little bit to be desired receiver. If you're the Patriots you have to hope that Nikiel. Harry takes a big step. Obviously, you still have despite getting older. Did. They still have James White out of the backfield. which I think really helps, and I think I think having Sony Michelle regardless of what you think of him from a productivity standpoint. Then you still a very very usable back in the NFL. and. Think they can make some of those pieces work tight ends. Obviously a huge struggle I don't know I. Don't even know what they've done. They drafted two tight ends in the third round. Well, you know that bill check when he gets the draft and tight ends. He's one for to. Devon ASI FROM UCLA and Dolton keen from Virginia Tech Yeah, so I mean I'm sure he's GonNa figure out a way. Him and mcdaniels are going to figure out a way to get to get this. These guys incorporated into this offense and and Cam can make has look good I. Mean Kelvin Benjamin was thought of highly because a cam Then, then, Kelvin Benjamin showed up to camp at like two hundred and eighty pounds. Yeah, exactly like can't cams made guys look very very good. Despite despite having the best talent around them and I think I think in this off. This offense. mcdaniels I think they're going to be fine, and that's the most disheartening part about the cam to the Patriots situation. I would put good money on Eshelman's numbers dropping by at least twenty five percent this season. Though because CAM is a guy who likes to attack the field vertically. He's not a dump down into the Slot Guy, and that's where Adam and makes his living. Yeah, I also think that I would think that Brady always saw him as a safety net share, if that especially host drunk, of course, if that I read wasn't open, you knew where the ball was going. That was going to Julian Ataman for sure and. I think that that's certainly certainly feasible to think that his numbers go down when he's not always going to be that. Check down option where he's not always gonna be that primary target based off of just the routes that he runs. Yeah now on the flip side of that of course is a guy in Tampa Bay twenty four year old wide receiver, who is the alum and alum of the same college you are Chris. Godwin caught eighty-six balls last year I would. Assuming, he stays healthy. If he doesn't catch one hundred ten balls. I would be shocked. Yeah I mean. I think he's going to be that. Safety valve much like Ataman was in New England. because. You obviously know that grunk is going to get the attention. You know the Mike. Evans is going to get the attention. There's only so many backs on the field that you can use the double people up. I think Godwin's really good, really really good. A good choice for one of the highest ball catchers and league this year on Godwin's turned into juice, one of the best receivers in the NFL over the last couple of years. And how did did we miss on this guy? What was? What did we not see from Chris Godwin coming out of Penn state that would lead us to believe. He was going to be this kind of player. Because you know. He was a third round pick. I think so I. Think People get Nervous Penn state receivers there haven't been. There have been a ton that take it to the next level. Robinson sure he you right before Allen Robinson. Can you name the last one? That was unbelievably productive? At Jordan. Norwood's the only one that comes to mind. And he came out of a class that had three guys who were superstars at Penn State. You know you're talking about. Derek! Williams Dionne Butler in Jordan, Norwood Eric. Williams wow I forgot in there. They were they were the three three hundred monster that Penn state team. That won the Orange Bowl I believe. If I if I remember correctly weird game of Florida State, where Florida state missed field, goals, or extra point or something late and again it does matter. But. Those those three prospects. I think Norwood was the lowest drafted guy, and he had the most successful NFL career, and the longest including a super bowl title win with the with the Broncos I mean. Those other guys didn't pan out and I don't think penn. state's sincerely had the talent i. mean obviously some about from the program basically imploding at a certain point with the whole Sandusky thing. But I think people get nervous and plus I mean. Godwin came through. I guess it would have had to have been 'cause. He's what year three or four in the NFL. Twenty four years old. Yeah, so he's. I mean he came through I can't remember. Penn state's coaches name, but. He killed O'Brien. It would have been. It's the guy they have now. The guy from Vanderbilt Franklin James Franklin. They were go the hell. I don't know man. It's it's. Sometimes I. Get Confused Your School. Like I can't I can't think of. Godwin coming out of that offense Franklin runs. I, think that that sort of held him down a little bit. Even they can shots at trace mcsorley, no trace. mcsorley was a fine quarterback honestly. But I think that the numbers weren't necessarily the flashiest. Her Godwin, but he clearly has the town. He's proved it and that's why I think he's I think like kind of like you that he's going to be one of the more important pieces to the Tampa. while. Here I'm looking right now at. The current, the current Penn state alum in the NFL. There are four wide receivers in the NFL right now. That are Penn State, alumni and phrasing that very specifically. Do you know all four. Are you talking about guys including this year. I'm talking about current There are no players who would be rookies this year. On this less so Godwin Veasley. Caja Hamster. Cage A and again no rookie. Rookie! Sorry, then, no Chris! I can't name raw we've. We got Alan Robinson Shot Hamilton from the broncos couple of days ago. That one and this is the one that I said I was phrasing things very specifically because this other guy who. Was a New England patriots for quite a while. Is the was out. Your team. Chris. Hogan Chris Hogan correct. Would a super weird story. Also Derek Moye a free agent as of right now? This is actually a good group. You know I hate these guys Tomba hollies a free agent. Obviously injuries is an issue there. Mike Mardi was another guy issues there as holy age has to be an issue there. This point, yeah, well I mean at the beginning Mardi Lhasa you know the it seems like Penn State linebackers for whatever reason just keep getting banged up and banged up and banged up for I can't. There is a guy on the bills whose career ended. His fourth round pick. He's an outside linebacker. It'll come to me at some point, but. He. He had a major a major injury Nathan Stupor. Another guy was hurt and I. I always liked Anthony's. That'll. I was always Anthony's Eto fan. I'm surprised. He hasn't found a way to stick around as a rotational defensive end. Yay and There's something about that. I mean those linebackers as good as they are at that Penn State, they sort of get the league, and in the last couple of years I mean the best one I think has been Navarro Bowman Right, and obviously I. Think he's out of the League at this point. Yeah, but but outside of that. Injuries injuries seem to always weirdly catch up with everybody yet what Dan Connor. Puzzles, Lesnie, when I was there and even the guys past that you mentioned. Just an injury riddled careers. Even to some extent, Lavar Arrington didn't quite have a career that we expected Yeah, there's Dan Connor Shane Con Lynn. Ron Crosby Chris Devlin. Mark Off Frio Chris Drazen ovatch. John Ebersol Reggie givens. Keith gayness Dave Graph Don Graham Jack Ham Gerald Hodges. There's a there's a good name. Josh Hull Tom Hall. Terry killings. Where's the Guy Larry Lubin? And we're GonNa read them all just incur Paco's. Djimla slavonic apologies to any of these guys. Aaron Mabon. Oh, boy, that was that was the thing. Quintas Mac Donald Lance mehl rich, Malay- Matt Millen. There is a name you know Jim Nelson Leo Noble Ed O'Neill. Dennis on 'cause. Air Neo and I immediately thought. It was actually al.. Loophole e Chet Vich Andrea POW porpoise lesnie Scott Radovich Eddie. Brian Scott. Tim Shaw is the name asteroid. Come up with Tim Shaw Major I forget what what exactly it was. It ended his career, but it was a major injury, so. Not, exactly linebacker you anymore, but Mike Parsons. This year looks like could be a top five pick. Everything goes right I think I think they're saying. He's one of the best linebacking prospects in a long time. Which is interesting. He was in that class with. He and Justin fields where the first two people to commit to Penn state in that class. Both of them de Commit Parsons stays, field goes, fields goes and. If only. We live to. We live to screw up early commits. It's great. Yeah and you know feels would have been God the biggest commit sins. Hackenberg I guess who people forget was a giant, the number one quarterback prospect in the country. Hagberg was a huge deal and had successful successful beginning of his career, Penn state, and just faded comparatively successful, sure, and then just faded into oblivion, despite getting drafted playing for the jets, and how apparently trying to become a major league pitcher? Hey, what can you do? I always gave Hackenberg credit for sticking around because that was the during the whole scandal. And he there's there's an argument. He made that Hackenberg and the tight end atom Brennaman, two major prospects who stuck around are a big part of the reason, Penn, state. Football is where it is right now. The thing about him is like I just never got it. I, you, we, you say success early on, but even that freshman year which people point to and say Oh, it was good. Then fifty eight point nine percent completion percentage twenty touchdowns attendance receptions, just still pretty mediocre. I think it helped. The team didn't plummet into oblivion. That's true. They're still relevant. Yeah. I said Oblivion Alec. Four Times on the PODCAST. Twenty five, but. It's they didn't go like one and eleven. They you know they. Don't even remember what their record was for for that first year, but it wasn't seventy thousand. Seven and five going through the situation that they were currently sort of embroiled in I. think that that that kind of worked out you know what I mean. It kept everybody's confidence. In him a little bit higher. It's certainly helped. They had That was the Zack's one year at running back, but at receiver that was the Allen Robinson year, and that that certainly helps a young quarterback sixteen for sure for sure, a guy with a guy with Robinson's talent can make almost anybody look good. All Alan Robinson did in two thousand thirteen was ninety seven catches for fourteen, hundred and thirty two yards, so it's it's chump change. Chris, what are you talking about? Something they focal point on that offense I would say. Look I. Ask you every week. Where is your attitude towards the return sports right now? I think I think it. I think it's sports are gone just barrel through I don't think they really care. I think that they have these plans in place and regardless if the rest of Florida is burning down. That, the NBA is gonNA stick to their guns and they're gonna they're gonNA. Get there. They're going to get everybody in their bubble, and they're just going to deal with it and and they're fighting through positive cases right now I know. Baseball's had a couple different incidents over the past couple of days, but I think these leagues are just going to power through and. We're going to get some semblance of sports back even if it looks like five on five men's League, the community center on our TV Hey. I hear reps can make thirty bucks for those games. Let me tell you let me tell you what are. Just. This is the shortsightedness of people when I read that email I. couldn't I couldn't believe it I couldn't believe it so I want me to to ref and. Let's give some back story here and the shore you and I are were prone to fall off into incoherent digressions, but this is at least at least sports related with what's going as as any listener of the show knows Greg is a basketball official. Light as an official. Yeah but well are. You are not a basketball official, yes? I am I am? Thank you my rest, my case and and now's Pennsylvania is one of the couple of states that I think it was one of thirteen states. The last time I looked where cases are dropping day by day I haven't seen that in a while, but dropping day by day stuff is reopening and sports are coming back at the at the recreational level, a you youth basketball stuff like that and now Gregory faces the question of. Is it worth it is Is, is the compensation worth the risk Where do you stand on that? The compensation is barely worth the risk without a pandemic level disease floating around It's just it's just hilarious to. Talk about like here's the precautions we're going to take. Sign a waiver. You can't use a real whistle. You have to click have to have a whistle. Squeeze your hand, and that's how you make the call. It's just it's bizarre. It's bizarre, so I can't blow into a whistle. That only goes in my mouth, but I can certainly have kids yell at me, coaches and fans all yell at me all in a very sort of confined space, and also let's let's be honest. Touch basketball, right? A hundred and fifty times a game like. Just, Weird! It's just weird. Weird pushed to get everything back like nothing's happened. That's GonNa get you guys out of the black and back into the red for new kids it's. Like you can take off of precautions you want. This is not this is not something that I think is one hundred percent necessary. It's just isn't so I'll do one percent necessary. Yeah, I'll do my own personal thing and forgo the. You're opting out of Terry compensation. Yeah, I am I am opting out of the? Whatever this league is bubble. To Ref. It's crazy. If you know if your girls were a little bit older, is there any way that you would let them play sports right now? I don't think so I. Don't think I could, and that's a tough decision to make because you're talking about you know whatever the effects are, and who's most deeply affected by it. There's still there's. Still too many unknowns. For me, it'd be like yeah. You go back to just playing and doing everything as normal as possible I i. don't think that's the best way to handle. A lot of this, so to see that two weeks after the state kind of really opens back up in A. You know a more limited capacity. There's a little more freedoms that that there's basketball tournaments going on and I. don't even know where these teams coming from. Are they? All Pennsylvania teams are they coming from other states. Is a you like it's just? If you. Water we doing. What are we doing just? Salary, Argument I had with with shutting down liquor stores. In Pennsylvania for a majority of the quarantine, you force you force people to cross state lines to go other places to get liquor it. Is, our bizarre bizarre stuff, and this is one of those contributing things. We just like we're. We're in here until they. They say hey. Come. Take this shot and you're good to go. That's that's pretty much what this is. Yeah? That's unfortunate. We talked about everything going bad and Florida We'll say yesterday. It was down from almost ten thousand new cases a couple of days ago, two fifty two hundred today there's already been over six thousand new cases in Florida. It's scary and I think we're. We're starting to see a little blowback from some of the NBA players who are thinking. Hey, maybe this is not such a good idea. You know our own Ben Simmons retweeted a tweet or like a tweet yesterday saying that we should postpone basketball a little bit further. It's tough for me to argue with that. Even though that I don't want that I, just you know four as as solid a plan as the Disney bubble is, and it's a good plan by by. The respects of everything else have. It still anything but foolproof and it's. Somebody's going to sneak somebody in. Somebody's going to get sick and you know krona virus is going to be. There's just a matter of how bad it is. We've already had. What Trevor Rees opted out. Avery Bradley opted out Dovey. BERTANS opted out, and then got into a magical fight on twitter about it Willie. Cauley Stein opted out. Wasn't chandler opted out the Andre Jordan opted out a lot of nets, and it looks like Spencer. Spencer Dinwiddie also tested positive and could be using over. Yeah, so I I would be kind of surprised of dinwiddie played, but at the same time there's not a lot of nets left to play basketball right now, and they're the seven seed so good news for a guest. Good news for the Washington Wizards, but the wizards also lose bretons. This is really just good news for whoever plays the nets in the first round I guess. Yeah I mean. It's hard. It's hard to say either way WHO's. The right decision is but. I? Think if they're going to try to keep it safe. As possible I mean these guys are all testing positive. They're out in the real world and you don't know what they're doing. You don't know how how cautious they've been. So like to say, somebody's getting it. It's hard for me to just be like well. Shut it all down because you don't know you really don't you don't know who they're seeing. Is Everybody being cautious? As von Miller who said he only went out of his house, three times, and got it in Denver, or are people out there partying or not necessarily all partying. We're bored, gathering bigger groups or going to church. We're going to to any other type of service. It's not it's not always just partying. That's the point. But, You really, it's in the situation. The NBA in life guys are all forced to quarantine in this bubble I. Think you're you run a little bit less of a risk when you're actually out there playing well and did not mention that it was funny because the nets were originally supposed to be one of the teams that was going to Florida and quarantining in the bubble, but then they that got pulled late they ended up going to their training facility, which got shut down pretty quickly because of positive tests. They're just now reopening today as the nuggets are shutting down because of positive test. Should've ever. Everybody should have just went to the bubble. Go into the bubble. Look at the bubble. Be The bubble that's. What we're acid in your hotel room for a couple of weeks. You know there are worse things in the world. Look I. I know it's inconvenient, but there are worse things in the world than sitting in a luxury suite for a couple of weeks while you find out whether or not you're sick. Yeah, the really is there's lot worse. I mean selfishly. It's like all right. Let's just we'll get through this. We'll get through this wave and let's get basketball going. It's going to be awesome hopefully. They're always that part of you where it's like. If it, one one person with long lingering effects from this is a serious problem. Sure forever go bare still doesn't have all the smelling back. That's a problem but I'm talking like all of your smelling is different than. Long, Capelle, long functionality when we don't know the long functionality stuffy. That's that's the thing that could very well be places well. We just don't have the proper testing to show that yet, and you know with go bear. I would argue that getting sick three and a half months ago and still not being able to smell as a pretty damn big problem. It's not great. The optics. They're not great. Yeah Oh, man, I wanNA remain confident as possible, but then I see things like Major League baseball is going to ban spitting and see gum, and it's it's. It's the same reaction. I had when I read the hockey proposal where guys couldn't spit on the ice or they couldn't fight or they couldn't scrum like these are natural instincts. Of played this sport for. In some cases you're talking about guys who've been playing hockey for. Half, if not more than half of their life, three quarters of their life has been spent playing hockey or playing baseball, and you're not going to break that. Just because you say there's a rule against it. It's just not going to happen from seventy sixers perspective. How do you feel about the pseudo like free agent? Trade that the sixers in the mavericks pulled off where Trey Burke, former six, or goes and signs with Dallas and former Dallas Maverick. Ryan broke off signs with Philadelphia Chris. I don't know who Ryan Brokaw is I'm hype broke off I like Ryan. Broke up broke off when one-off on us for fifteen. Early offseason in a game against Al. forty percent shooter six six guard from Australia. He's never going to be you know he's never going to be like. I don't know he's not. He's not Joe Harris. But I could see him getting hot and having like a marco, Belen Elliott Affect for for the team and I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around passed this year because there's a lot of free agents including Alec burks and and Glenn Robinson. The third who we traded for. I WanNa say just recently, but it was like five months ago now. It's funny when you say. Marco Bell and Elliott fact, I immediately thought he's GonNa Shoot A to when we were down by two instead of shooting a three for the win. Made some of the toughest shots. I've ever seen a seventy six or May. Not Saying, you didn't make the shot just saying the situation. Yeah I mean listen. The the issue there is more of the guy that fired the Confetti Canon without knowing. The game was over or not. That's who I blame in that situation, but I digress. I mean anytime. We can add shooting from an outside perspective. That's fine. It's also funny that every time Alec burks and Glen Robinson the third signing arts nerd signing a check in in NBA Two k. when I am the sixers. I completely get every time I go. Oh, yeah! We traded for Glen Robinson and Alec burks there on the sixers now. Every single time for another twenty games are so. They. They only played what they've. They couldn't have played more than six games with the sixers. I think it was more than that, but I. Don't think it was significantly more than that. I'm going to look those numbers up now. They played they played. They played enough for Glen. Robinson complained about his playing time. So maybe maybe it is a little bit more than that. The one thing I will say in his defenses that pret-. Brown's rotations are amongst the most confusing all of sports. It's almost like you would think browns, not a good head coach. I'm not saying he's not a good head coach. Lights. It's Oh here. You go thirty five minutes ago ESPN. sends an update from Adam Silver. That says Cova could stop the League. Good. On Adam silver remains quote pretty confident about the NBA's plan to safely resume play, but admits spread of the virus is a concern and Glen Robinson. The third played twelve games in Philadelphia Okay. Yeah Twelve Games twelve games guesses enough to complain about your rotation spot. it is we're? When do we admit that so? Brett Brown knock rated rotations. Now it end of game situations. Knock great a calling timeouts when he needs to like mean he's eventually I will let you take. Shots were where warranted. He's gotten exponentially better with time out usage. I agree. I'll give you that I'll give you that, but there are. There are still some some concerning things with the with what he does. A happier alternative will move. Would you make because I do think especially if this is. A poor, showing over these last eight games, and and in the playoffs that there's a chance to sixers move on from Brett. Brown noser, someone in you would have in mind. You really like I don't have anybody really in particular. I don't have any candidate specifically, and but because I know what happens. I, the NBA it becomes a retread end up with like Tom, Ditto, or somebody will for for everyone. Let's hope it's not tiptoe. Who I think is probably GONNA. Be The next coach by the way. He. Just got Fred Hoiberg or somebody like that. Yeah, who's the guy just got fired from the Knicks Not Oh yeah, no, Hillsdale yeah. He's not a bad Kerr fizz fizz Dale David physio Yeah Not Wayman Tisdale. I. Well I fist, not a bad coach. I mean. I told you crap teams exactly right, and the problem is. It seems like he only gets these bad team opportunities. He's not the guy that ever gets the the the opening for a good team. and you know who you know, the one name who is going to be mentioned more than anybody else. If Brett Brown has fired, and it would be disastrous for your to Philadelphia. Sports teams I mean Chris I. Don't Think Iverson's interested in coaching. I'm I'm interested to see how that would go, but. As sarcastic or not, we both know I'm talking about J. Right? Yeah, I know and they would. They would do everything in their power to try and get him to go and honestly. Think. He'd go I. Don't think he would do it now. He is God at Villanova he's got and people like we've taken for granted. This is a guy who takes ten thousand ten thousand undergraduate university to to NCAA championships over the last four years like that's crazy. He is. He's a phenomenal coach, and now has finally reached the pinnacle to the point where your job for Life Status Oh. For Sure Nova like there is you get? You'll have statue someday, yeah. You get to decide when you leave. If you're Jay Wright and the sixers opportunity as good as as much talent as the sixers have I don't think that's the I. Don't think there's any NBA move that makes any sense three perfectly honest and especially this year last year I can kind of understand it because it's sort of a rebuilding year for Villanova. But this year most places have Villanova is the number one the number one seed in preseason rankings. So and justifiably. So, this is going to be. This could be another kind of coronation he year. I. Don't think this is the year to both, but you know I really like Chris Beard I. Think crispier degree coach, but I don't know I wonder if. Force, if this team, you know ESPEC- especially, Simmons and embiid. Need a big name who's actually succeeded in the NFL in the NFL in the NBA to get them to listen and pay attention by in. I think they need something I need. If they need something a little bit more hands on I think we've gotten. We've gotten sort of away from that. We kind of allow everyone to sort of do their own thing, and it hasn't hasn't given us a success I think. Hoped for from this process era sixers. So gone back to the Larry Brown. Larry Brown. Yeah I mean, isn't he? Like eighty five years, old coach was coaching Smu I. Don't think he does anymore. Now I think he's He's coaching internationally now. Yeah, I mean hey, basketball lifer, that's that's all good oil be. The most successful sixers coach in the last twenty years. Oh my God I will, and some of the most boring offenses, the teams were always among the lowest in the NBA and turnovers, because he has Alan Iverson and they just walk the ball up. Court every single play I'm looking at. I'm looking at the best available had coaches right now on lists on on medium dot, com, who I go to medium time for my. My sports information in no particular. Order Tom Thibodeau. Kenny, Atkinson, physical Jason Kidd! No, thank you Tim Duncan. That's interesting, but he's proven nothing. Becky Hammon that's interesting but I. don't know if this is the team for that experiment and You have the van Gundy's. The Dave Yorkers the Mark Jackson's Pablo Perez Joanie. End the other name who was going to be a head coach. Sooner or later in the NBA is Jerry Stackhouse. I'll think stacks the guy for this job, but find interesting. It is it is fun it? How many years does Jeff Van Gundy have to be on the in the booth for people to finally stop putting him on the coaches that are out there list well. It seems like he gets interviews. Though so I don't know that he's not interested in it. Where's the last place that Jeff Van Gundy interviewed? I'M GONNA look it up right now. How do you? How do you feel about the other San Antonio Kosheh? Dunkin sure would be interesting because you talk about him being able to bring in him him being able to bring his expertise in the post and things like that. And really sort of obviously you know. That success and that championship attitude is. You can't teach that from a coaching standpoint. He's a guy who knows what the players are battling through. Knows what they're out there facing. And it's not like Duncan is. Twenty years removed from his playing career. He's what three or four years removed its. It hasn't been that long four years. Probably. Is You forget about the cavs? A cavs, golden state back and forth finals and stuff like that so I guess it's been a little bit longer than than than I'm thinking but. It would be interesting to see that attitude coming in. And and where where he goes from there if he could really help with emptied, and if you could help with just the overall chemistry of the team, which by the way Tobias Harris Basically said isn't good in an interview this week of course, yeah. and that's why it's harasses one of the best people in the NBA. He's saying hey. I don't know. There's nothing to be worried about for the record the last interview, the actual interview that I can find Jeff Van Gundy was in two thousand fifteen when he interviewed with the Pelicans. However, in on May twelfth of this year, he said that he is open to coaching under the right circumstances. Well, thank God. Thank thank you ha-. Jefferson, he's open to it. I mean he has a coach of the NBA Thirteen. Years. Last last year coach was the Houston Rockets in two thousand seven. Like, it's not like it was we remember it more fondly because of our age and the timeframe, and when he was really popular with the Knicks and and moving on the Houston but. I mean this is. You're talking about a guy who is not has not ran a team, and his basically strictly been on an MBA broadcast for the better part of a over almost a decade and a half now I think it helps that. He went out on a high like he did because Houston one fifty two games that year. Yeah I think that does help helps a lot. Actually you don't get remembered as somebody who peters out and just kind of fades into the sunset with a bad record, and now you're now. You're standing next to mark Jackson. Dave Pasch every weekend. Well, look you know when I mentioned this before, but I talked to two former NBA. Most per flair. Isaac Austin on Tells Me Association and said that he was looking to buy the nets, and then he was GonNa Make Mark Jackson his coach Kenny. Kennedy Smith was going to be as general manager, and that I could work for kennedy-smith, so I mean. That's fine. For that I'd have to assume there's a position in the cabinet. For me, so I'm good with that, not sure what kind of power I have just yet in this hypothetical situation, but once Kenny falls on his face. I would like to think that I'd be the successor general manager, and at that point. Yeah, get you a job. I mean assistant. GM sounds good I'm just saying I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying that I need that to be the job. Put us if I could work my way up to it I'll start in the locker room and just work my way up to assistant. GM that's how it works. I mean that's that seems totally fair to me I say. Move forward with that being the plan. I've already signed the contracts. Wow, that is congrats. Are Less than I. Want hit on for get out of here. The NBA isn't the only sport that's had some players opt out. Major League Baseball has seen quite a few over the last couple of days. Mike Leake, Ryan, Zimmerman, Joe Ross Ian Desmond and. Desmond pendant of really articulate letter. That's worth reading for. Anyone? WHO's wondering? What's going on the the minds of athletes right now? How concerned should we. Be About Baseball. I mean we should. I still think baseball goes. Despite the despite the amount of guys that have pulled out and I don't blame people for pulling out now not at all. It's one hundred percent of personal choice in and you just kind of hope that there's no. Retaliation in the future, which would be seriously illegal, but we see people skate with stuff like that all the time so it I mean I think that there's so many guys in baseball's organizations and things like that that it's a calculated risk on on both ends. It's a calculated risk on the teams in the play these games and you know think about player safety in all that sort of stuff, and then it's a calculated risk on on on the players, and who's not gonNA. Play I mean obviously you. You think safety and family I. that's fine. But the name Walli Pip. For a reason and baseball's one of those sports that you could see that happen, and it would be very unfortunate if this situation the. The world's going through lead to situations like that where guys lose jobs because they set out and they're under study in these cases outperformed. And, obviously, it's going to be really hard. It's not really a wally pipped Lou Garrick situation as much as they're playing six game season. Every number's going to be taken with a giant green of salt regardless bed. No question you know. Three of these names are kind of similar and then ones not like the other. You have Mike. leake Ryan Zimmerman and Desmond Desmond's guys who have all made a ton of money playing baseball, you know Desmond is getting closer to the end. Zimmerman, he says he's not retiring, but honestly he. He may have played baseball for the last time at this point Joe Ross interesting though Ross is twenty-seven, he was going to be Washington's number five starter this year, and the big issue is that by sitting out? He's losing the sixty seven days of service time, and now he won't be a free agent until after the two thousand twenty two season, so it ends up being a pretty good deal for the nationals who were now going to have back of the rotation starter on a very cheap deal for another two years. It's a calculated risk. You trust his talent. He's trusted trust that he's GonNa he's GonNa be able to continue. Being successful, productive Major League pitcher after all of this and. I, mean guys bet on themselves all the time and obviously it's usually in a little bit of a different situation. But that's a firm. That's a firm bet on yourself like listen all. Forego this and I'll have to sort of grin and bear it from a financial standpoint for an extra year. If it saves me from getting sick or or whatever in the short run. It's GonNa. Be Worth it to them and I. can't I'm Never GonNa Fault? I'm never gonNA fall a player for for for not playing. If it was on my team, it was on. On any teams that I root for. I'm here to be a fan. I'm not here to. I'm not here to expect you to just go out there. Entertain me regardless of the situation. I think that people to do that and put players in those types of. Views and they see it more as a your job and I. don't care if you get that kind of that kind of attitude itself. It's how the people in the grocery store. It's ridiculous. and. You're here. Serve me in some way like I remember real early on Zack Wheeler making a comment about his wife, being pregnant Yada. Yada Yada and like you saw a negative reaction to that and you're Kinda like. I, probably do the exact same thing like I. Don't know I. Don't really see a downside into what he's saying outside of the fact that he he won't be He. He may not play. Whatever this shorten. Weird year is and you know what man? I think most people if you're in that situation. If it's your first kid or whatever it is, you'd probably make that same decision. Regardless of what you say now. Speaking of kids I think the alarm is going off, so it's. Might as well. Wrap the show up here. As, we come to a natural end so for this week's episode of you're wrong and here's why I've been Chris Wardell Sale. He's been Greg Crone. We thank you for listening and we hope things go smoother next week. See Them.

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NFL Betting Preview: AFC Win Totals and Super Bowl Pick + Browns and Chiefs

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"That thou board. We never <music> right. I bet you twenty bucks. I can get you can't look for the end of the day you only fifteen grand how they pay debts men his money. It's the board podcast really the end right back where i and i could still pick winners. I can still make money for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and todd welcome in to the the board podcast powered by bet online dot a._g. Shifting gears from the college front to the national football league with the a._f._c. a._f._c. season preview. I'm your host todd firm and joined as always by a man who i don't think slept over the last ninety six hours or so the one the only pain insider cider warren grind time four big podcasts about a seven-day window. It's a lot of content and obviously our listeners know now the college football varieties of nearly two hours and so we appreciate you tuning in but it's a lot of work but yeah here. We are two days with you you four days with you on in the last seven. It's tough it's rough. You're almost going to have to get into midseason form or you're gonna have to deal with me three times in the span of a little more than and seventy two hours so get excited for that we know we have sixty teams to cover so strap in be ready to go and we're gonna hit a lot of these teams in great great detail pain before we get into the nuts and bolts though i know we have plenty of ground to cover. Have you figured out your health regimen. I mean what are we looking at for sleep schedule for football season you. Are you talked about green juice and everything else. You figured out how you're going to work. I'm sure you're trying to put that together. I think i'm going to be really organized this year and try to do like a monday through sunday hour by hour schedule thing. I'm debating doing that. I don't know if it's ever been done. Are you going to be able to adhere to that for more than a well. You know i'm going to try aw try yeah all right. I'm gonna attempt to get six hours sleep a night. That is the goal so we'll see how things go. I think this is an important. Thank our audience right but this is why it's important re tweet the podcast go to i tunes. Give us five stars. We're going to do a lot of contest destined prizes and things of that nature. Were not always going to say the most welcoming things about your team. There's going to be weeks where you we tell you your team stinks live with. It probably be backing them the following week. There's nothing personal here and i think that's the one thing that's always so interesting to me right right like people see we're dedicating like two hours of just content time well. How many days does it take to come up with two hours of content right. We don't have us assuming producers yeah. I don't even wanna talk just because we say something. That's not so nice about your team. Don't be a dick and like leave a one star review like you know the stuff if we're doing here is <hes> is really for you so if you're willing to take it in stride and realized that we're being unbiased. The numbers are the numbers you know it's. It's not uh all the stuff that makes things better got attacker my buddy today. You should really try and do this level of detail and depth every single day. I said i'd be dead by the time i was forty five. If that was the case we applaud the enthusiasm in the level of ambitious end endeavor that we take gone and todd urine television. Let's get this picture you know to do. Your show is like thirty minutes and how many producers are on that show our in our some. Some shows were thirty. Is that during like baseball season with the playoffs yet. I mean he's every now and again you him abbreviate stuff. It takes a team. I mean to try ryan. Put something like that together for our operations here. Obviously it's you myself and our producers at three man shop though we kind of run along with their writers but yeah for t._v. And some of the other podcasts out there are a lot more extensive prep as far as you know the number of bodies and all hands on deck tight mentality but we we start to go on that kind of tangent pain. This podcast slated for about two hours or probably turn into this thing rolling all right. Should we start east to ask because as we know in your world. There's there's really nothing of relevance why we're only doing three divisions to the. I don't even know the a._f._c. West existed until you told me about three minutes ago. Well i mean we're going to have a team in our backyard so i mean that's where we're going to start clearly next year but we'll get things kicked off with the defending super bowl champions and the odds to in the a._f._c. east courtesy of bed online edgy. You're looking at the patriots. A one to four favorite there followed by the jets at five to one buffalo ten on and of course pains beloved miami dolphins at twenty two one and pain dan where we look at new england's win total eleven half. You have to lay a dollar thirty five to go under at bat online at a._g. Tom brady continues to age like a fine wine. The patriots reinvent themselves and they've now won ten games for sixteen consecutive seasons. They've reached the playoffs in ten straight seasons soft schedule relatively speaking taking but major overhauls coaching staff approaching two thousand nine year. There is <hes> i listen. I don't know if that matters. It's all about ballot check. It's all about brady. I don't want to sound like someone trying to like. Click bait the audience but i'm genuinely intrigued and i have some questions on on what brady looks like at forty two and you know we've tried to dig into this. Were really entering uncharted territories in being able to try to assess and project what tom looks like this season because if anyone else like you know i think we're gonna thing. He's going to fall off a cliff but because tom brady it's like oh we gotta give him. The benefit of the doubt <hes> father time is is undefeated so just it makes me real nervous. What these guys are going to look like this season. Specifically brady <hes> life without rob gronkowski is going to be a little different <hes> brady gronk those two guys. They've delivered the highest quarterback receiver passer rating since two thousand six and and in the thirty three games. Tom brady is played without gronkowski. Passer rating dips from one zero three two eight in you try to put that into perspective live and i did that will factoring in like the current landscape of the n._f._l. Which is a passing league quarterbacks that attempted at least three hundred and fifty passes last season. <hes> <hes> that delivered lower than an eight rating it was just josh rosen blake bortles case keenum joe flacco in sam darnold so that makes me a little bit nervous a little. I bet trying to project brady in that regression. I think if we don't project some level of regression like were ignoring what the bill belichick is telling us a little bit you look last year. New england ran the ball five percent more last season. Even in like super bowl runs. You remember this like belichick relied on brady that didn't happen. Lessees the running increase during the super bowl run right the playoffs super bowl. They became a team that only passed on fifty two percent of snaps and if you look at the final five games and i think that's still important because i think new england was still battling right for that first round by they had those back to back losses to miami and pittsburgh so they sled a lot to play for five games patriots only passed on forty nine percents naps and so it's not like the offensive line was a concern like brady wasn't getting killed for you know there wasn't a lack of protection. The patriots were number one in the n._f._l. Injustice accurate. If you remember and i think todd you've been a part of this like every time we've had this championship run whether it was the a._f._c. championship or the super bowl like we are pounding the over on pass attempts incompletions. We're running over men women and children to do this and that wasn't the case last season like it's i delivering doom and gloom here right like doing wintel still like levin point the right eleven point three with juice so like all these question marks are obviously relative to the market. It and i don't think brady's gonna like turn into the worst quarterback and i don't think bell check like forgets how to coach. They win four games or something. That's not what i'm saying. I just think <hes> aw you know there's there's some skepticism here a little bit but you mentioned the schedule at the top new england faces the second easiest easiest schedule pass defenses <hes> so i think that's that's a real positive <hes>. Have you been hearing anything on josh gordon. It's the same kind of <hes> hey. We're gonna take it day by day. Everything very much in flux. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe how quickly he's going to be on the field when to help bolster receiving core right now for the patriots. It has a hell of a lot more quad yet so again second easiest scheduled pass defenses. That's nice for brady. They initially assigned to kill harry. Josh gordon's old number and then about a week ago. They changed harry to a different number and then josh gordon files for reinstatement. The puzzle pieces are starting to align here that would indicate there's potential for him to be reinstated at some point and that would be a massive. Get back for brady and the offense. Tom actually averaged one point eight more yards per attempt in games james. Josh gordon played last season. The patriots also had they led the league in drops. Tom brady at forty dropped passes so you know some if things like looking at the other side of the coin getting old but there's some things there that that do <hes> provide some some hope relative to this winter i think the line should be good again so it's not all doom and gloom offensively while we know they're gonna give a <hes> like you said a commitment to the ground game i mean this was still off offense to season ago that rank top five yards per game points per game and rushing yards. You mentioned a little bit of regression from brady actually his lowest touchdown to interception ratio since two thousand thirteen major marks in my opinion around around the tight end position in terms of what they're going to be able to do there but we look on the other side of the bobby some instability from a defensive standpoint all the stuff that went on with gregg xiang in february getting promoted to dc leaving having replaced him the productivity of trey trey flowers michael bennett comes over from the eagles but what does he have left in the tank. How do you assess the patriots defense in what's going to be asked them this. It's always been a bend but don't break unit and in in certainly think new england's trying to erase the questions that i think a lotta lotta people have about their defense and that's you know how the hell do you get after the quarterback and i think they're going to get. I don't wanna use the word lock but last year there were somewhat unlucky right on the surface you look it's new england finished thirtieth thirtieth zachary and then as you mentioned they lose their top guy and trey flowers in the offseason so i think the national narrative is to panic a little bit but if you dig deeper new england it was actually eleventh in pressuring tells me sacks should eventually come and then you bring back. Jamie collins who you know is a shell of himself off in cleveland. He was coming back from injury the scheme the style was different. Y'all signed michael bennett yet draft chase win vich to kind of soften the loss of flowers <hes> <hes> but i think the other thing is like new england faced a schedule of oss offense as last season. That was one of the fifth easiest in the n._f._l. I i think it's it's tough to envision bore actually projecting an even easier schedule of opposing offenses this season so i think the defense has a potential to get a little bit better. New england's projected defaced easiest schedule passed protecting offenses so again i think when you look at the end of the season and you can write this down and check it back in and they're going to finish much veterans accurate and i think that's the big question mark. Everybody has once you lose a guy <hes> lake trey flowers aw i think a lot of people would love to see the patriots knock down a peg as the go out there and look to defend yet another super bowl championship going to be very feeling and you watch we know new england yeah it feels like they're changing their identity and they're doing so a little bit slowly and that's a credit obviously to bill belichick him recognizing in what he has and what he doesn't have an pass heavy league look at the secondary was stefan gilmore that leads the charge better than they get credit for. We've seen the offense change some faces this is i think going out there in drafting a first round wide receiver nikiel. Harry says that hey look this is what we need. We're going to try and take care of some of the major holes that we have on our offense offense and at this point history tells us what we should believe the patriots and until we start to see them fault or a little bit. I'm not going to start eulogizing completely agree. It feels like a really deep. Defensive feels like a really versatile defense. <hes> and i think bill belichick just relies on himself. That evans really really turned the corner in late in the season two. Oh never parking dog just in time to break down the new york. Jets we look at their win. Total sits at seven and a half. You have to lay a dollar twenty to go over at bet online at this is the jets team. The last made the playoffs pain in two thousand ten. They haven't won the a._f._c. Since two thousand to a grand total fourteen combined wins over the last three seasons and you look at their schedule out of the gate. It's gonna do them. No favours favors expectations sky for sam darnold in his second season. They go out and get weapons in latvian bell jamison crowder. They bolster that defense. Should we be buying what adam gates is trying to sell us in gotham city. I saw that he was man. People are talking about one and done there. It's really interesting. Listen sam darnold. Charles off-season development is critical to the jets and who you got a package coming over there a little. She's a package aca just six forty seven to start to get concerned. What package is delivered but she apparently just fired up for the n._f._l. Season as anybody else so you know obviously dorothy is is gonna be the deciding factor on how long as last year how good the jets can be this season. I think why so many are high on on darnold in partly why the market went from seven wins two seven point six on the jets is the lack of help darnold had last year. You know like jeremy armie. Bates was a dud he was too predictable in the plaque on too conservative and maybe it comes from that opening game where you see darnold throwing across his body and it gets even he does pick six. That's how you start. The season either way like darnell was just forced into too many third and longs situations jets were third worst in the n._f._l. In third-down down distance at eight yards to go darnold dealt with a slew of injuries to the receiving court to jets were eleventh most injured receiver group. The receiver group dropped dropped. The tenth most passes in the n._f._l. But i think even with all that it was the jets offensive line that was the worst and adjusted line yards and stuff rate that it didn't help him right so it's like you have this rookie quarterback. It's the youngest starter in n._f._l. History at the position he's being thrown into the fire and he doesn't even have a ground gamed lean on so you know the off season comes around in the jets go out make the trade for <hes> assembly from baltimore didn't have a good year last year but if he can kind of return to that like two thousand fourteen to two thousand seventeen form. I think that's a good get partly. Why if you've done some reading adam gates was so pissed with the g._m. Is he wanted to spend the money they use on lake on bell to go out and sign matt paradis at center which was a massive hole and then joe douglas comes over the new g._m. I don't know if he's going to be completely on the same page with all the time but he recognized the same problem that gays we saw and so they had to go out and lure ryan kalil out of retirement to play center. Khalil's been dealing with shoulder and neck issue for like the last three seasons. I know he'd gutted edited out last year but the previous two seasons the only played a grand total of fourteen games so it's vital that that khalil stays healthy the tight end position is a little bit in limbo to chris herndon. I think he's a guy that can really come on this season. He showed some promise but he's got a four-game suspension looming other talking about hopefully getting that reduced down to two games. He's in the appeal process. You look at some of the weapons they have. I like them gaces. Ben like clamoring about robbie anderson since the day arrived. They know he's trying to get robbie more touches hutches. I think he believes robbie to dynamic just to be like this fly route receiver. I've heard this before from robbie anderson. I want to see him. Go on this from robbie anderson before know this about robbie. I think he produces acing. I don't actually have a direct line so you guys must get some mischief together. <hes> <hes> invite me to that kind of party of listen. I i think with with robbie. It's like you know he's a deep threat guy so it's boomer bust you know if pure fantasy guy some weeks. He's putting up monsters other weeks. He's not and i think that's why gays trying to get them incorporate into the offense more whether it's end around quick passes comebacks things of that nature. I also think that this offense is going to be a little bit faster. You would hope right everything i was being told about. How gas was operating. The dolphins offense was it was slow because he knew he didn't have the talent around him. He actually wanted to <hes> increase the variance by shortening games and i think he accomplished that a little bit <hes> fifty five offensive snaps. The dolphins averaged last season. That's fifteen percent below league average. <hes> in his three years in miami gates never had an offense that finished above twenty eighth and adjusted pay so i think the the point here is darnold. Got a nice group of skill guys. I think if gays picks up its tempo. That's probably gonna helps sam even more in my mind. Greg williams comes in to take over a defensive play calling. This unit finished twenty first in the league in defensive efficiency. You look at what the major additions they went out and took care of clinton williams through the draft c._j. Moseley comes over from the baltimore ravens. We know what the williams guys can do. Inside leonard williams hopefully comes off a double teams. If quinn williams can do what's asked of him tremaine johnson though in the secondary already dealing with a hamstring injury and we know those things can linger if they're not taking care of when we look at the jets on the defensive side of the ball. Are you happy with the way that they're trending in that direction and you feel that this stop unit can take the next step. You know you hit that right on the head and the defense was really lackluster last year and that that number twenty first in overall efficiency it's worse than that because they played the seventh easiest schedule of offenses <hes> the defense is going to change a little bit. We know greg. Williams loves to blitzes. <unk> loves to blitz <hes>. Does it usually usually at over forty percent. If you're jets fan. You're going to see an increase in the amount of times you know. He's sending heat now. What's interesting. Though despite all the bullets he sent last season in cleveland browns defense which is twenty ninth in pressuring and i think that left his team you know little exposed at times and so i think that changes a little bit here in new york that i think they got a good front four. That can get some pressure what you're going to have to watch for. There's when he sends that pressure it leaves exposed obviously right so last year i know the browns gave up the second most receptions tight ends. They weren't very we good <hes> in in stopping explosive place so i just think when when you send heat and you don't get home offenses are going to make you pay a little bit <hes> the jets were thirteenth in pressuring. I think if you add you know clinton williams to the fold in the ad the amount of times at williams is going to blitz this could be a team that really gets after the quarterback you mentioned it. They spent big in the off season on c._j. Moseley you've got jamal. Adams graded out the second safety and then it fell last season. I liked the defensive side of the ball for the jets. It has a lot of potential but it's it's very thin and i think that's the problem but the jets do face some hm three easiest schedules of opposing offenses <hes> so i think they're going to be much improved. It's just adapt issue. They're going to have to avoid the injury bug. Oh interesting team to watch a lot of people have them pegged to take the next step especially with talented young quarterback in sam darnold but you wonder <hes> <hes> how they'll perform some of those things and exactly how the market will respond to them with a pretty aggressive window. They're expecting this team to get to five hundred. If you wanna go over their current current number we look at a team finished third at least as far as the odds are concerned that being the buffalo bills their win total seven and a half later dollar forty it bet online dot at a._g. To go under year to josh allen payne i mean buffalo and out their the upgrade their skill position talent from a season ago slow build of harasser. You can say reminiscent listen of what sean mcdermott tried to do in carolina the offensive line a massive massive issue for buffalo a season ago. Are you happy with some of the changes changes. They made their because we know defense of the last two seasons has been the one constant despite an inability to put pressure on a post. I liked everything buffalo's. Doing i really do like i love sean mcdermott armitt. We did our off season podcast twelve weeks ago. We told you buffalo is going to be improved in the market seems to agree buffalo's win total went from like six point seven seven point four <hes> so i i like everything that buffalo doing offensively. They just need to be less predictable right second down. It was just nothing but runs into the line of scrimmage. They're trying to protect this young quarterback <hes> but they did a horrific job putting him in these third and long situations. That's not going to breed success. It's only gonna to make matters worse. The bills averaged eight point three yards to go on third down. It was dead last in the n._f._l. And it puts josh allen in impossible situations and you look in. This is pretty interesting to me. <hes> twenty percent of josh allens pass attempts traveled twenty or more yards. That was the most in the n._f._l. By over two percent and so so <hes> partly it's because of these long down in distances on third but alan. I think needs to do a better job of reading defenses. He needs to do a better job. Getting the ball out quicker liquor plane within the offense. The one thing that i noticed last season was allen's out there improvising a lot right the reason for the deep throws you know he's he's he's kind of just run out of the pocket a little too quickly and that's the first thing he does is just like chuck it deep and he wasn't really early. Officiant going deep just hit thirty four percent of his passes that was thirty seconds among qualifying quarterback so you hope the understanding of the play design zayn and where to go with the ball in your to as much better you mentioned this the organizations doing everything they can to help allen. They bring in a bunch of guys to bolster that offensive line fine. I mentioned this also in the offseason podcast back in may the bills offense kind of changed its receiver group in the type of pass catcher at hat on the roster they he knew going in like alan had accuracy issues so they're trying to get him like these big large receivers with massive. Catch radius is like calvin. Benjamin kelvin benjamin posted hosted the lowest separation rate of any receiver in the n._f._l. So just didn't happen right. Allen only completes fifty two percent of his passes so this year they go out. They get better route. Runners guys who create more separation hopes that like alan is able to get these guys in nc that they're open kind of play within the offense. I'm the offensive line last year. They were thirtieth in run blocking <hes> twenty-third in pass protection. Mitch moore is a massive. I get i know mahomes he was he hated that. The chiefs didn't resign mitch. Moore's <hes> you draft cody ford from oklahoma. He should be a day one starter tying nici. He flashed last year interesting. Dude in washington played left tackle when he was out there. He was pretty damn good. He's an older dude really hasn't had a chance to start. I don't know if he's gonna be able to make it through the entire season but he certainly upgrade the bills dell's go from one of the five toughest schedules faced to one that we project in the bottom half of the n._f._l. So maybe that helps us offense as well yeah yeah i mean you look at some of the offensive numbers there you talked about how much they struggle in. Josh allens first season but it puts some of that in perspective. This is a team that finished thirtieth in total yards thirty first and passing yards twentieth touchdowns thirty first interceptions in thirtieth in points they had games last season pain where they scored three zero five five six and nine points ten games where they failed to hit two hundred yards passing and had six games where they failed to run for one hundred yards not exactly a ringing endorsement for all things offensive. They're not gonna make people forget james lofton jim kelly thurman thomas in some of the proud bobby bills. We look no go ahead and so we look on the defensive side. I mean clearly this was the strength of the football team number two in total defense number one in past events but as we mentioned before they couldn't get pressure and while they bring back a lion share of the production. I believe it's ten starters. We don't talk about that all that often the n._f._l. They kind of lose their heart and soul and kyle williams but but from our discussions and we talked about in preseason podcast you believe that at all of her might be the perfect fit for what they wanna. Do you know listen. I love sean mcdermott thermo. I think he's a really good coach. I hope they give them the time to build this up. I think he's a really good defensive mind. He proved that for years and carolina right like his final season carolina. Two thousand sixteen carolina was top ten in overall defense efficiency. I should carolina slips all the way to twenty second then he heads to buffalo inherits a defense stat finished twenty seventh in defensive efficiency and within two years under mcdermott as you alluded to buffalo ends the last year second deficiency like i don't see much change this season. I think buffalo is going to be a force on this side of all again. You look at the schedule of opposing offenses. We projected to be one of the five years in the n._f._l. <hes> <hes> i like some of the moves i'm in the office. You take a flyer on the corner there kevin johnson and free agency. He was a sixteenth overall pick in two thousand fifteen. I think mcdermott can get him turned around and if you've noticed he's done pretty damn well handpicking members of the secondary at oliver they draft. Is you mentioned he's going to help. The penetration buffalo is already number one in the n._f._l. And stopping runs at or behind the line of scrimmage in their q._b. Pressure it was decent but that didn't translate to this act buffalo seventh worse so i think they get at oliver. Who's going to help in that regard and aside from just being like this monster who like tested out in some maria's better than than aaron donald at the combine drafting and oliver. I think makes a lot of sense when you look at the landscape of the a._f._c. East right like tom brady hates pressure up the middle aw the dolphins haven't had a competent guard and like over a decade so when i look at it all over i think mcdermott system really meshes well well with his skill set all contributes right away. We know that last year bills under is one of the strongest positions out there for any regular their season win total. You feel them feel. The market adjusted correctly on mentioning the six point seven was more or less what the opening price adjusted compared to where it sits right now at seven pm employees. I anticipated that move. I'm certainly not running out to bet buffalo at this number. They're just gonna be really improved and if josh allen can take that next step the probably blow through this win total. I don't know if he can. I don't know if he's that guy that can really play within the offset offense right. It's just a lot of improvising that works well. If you're a fantasy player. No the schedules like super soft to end last season but josh allen was actually really the best fantasy quarterback from weeks twelve or seventeen but you know he's got to be better as a pastor. He's got to have more control of the offense. He's got to have better vision. <hes> <hes> and that will be the determining factor of how good buffalo can be because we know the defense. Is there right. Like how much better can you get from second overall so the improvements gotta come on offense man was pretty special his legs when place broke down but not exactly what you necessarily want to see for big strong armed quarterback that you expected to take care removing offense through the air in those frigid western new york winters we look at the final team in the division miami dolphins their win total pain four and a half. You do have to lay a eight dollars thirty to go over clearly. There's a culture change taking place. They bring him brian flora's from new england. You're gonna have first time. Coordinators both on the offensive and defensive side question marks abound in terms of ryan fitzpatrick or josh rosen. I guess <unk> straightforward question. I have for you. How big is this rebuild. It's taking place right in your neck of the west. It's it's pretty big. You know. It's a five year plan. Stephen ross is dedicated to that five years. It's not going to be a quick fix. That's for sure <hes> you know. This is a full-blown rebuilt. You know that's that's the biggest thing about. I think everyone internally is bought into that. I don't think that there's going to be this idea that they're gonna start tanking games. That's not floors is mindset right. It's tough to be being a new building intel guys not to go. You know thousand percent now some of their decisions playing younger guys things of that nature will that transpire. I'm sure but from a rebuild perspective. I think this is the right way to do it. They want to do it through the draft. Now you know hopefully they continue to to do it that way because already this week right they're talking about being one of the leading candidates to trade for geneva and cloudy. There's a lot of draft capital that they have going into twenty twenty twenty. Hopefully they stay true in build through the draft. When you look at what they're doing on the offensive side i mean and we know about josh rosen and ryan fitzpatrick. We look at how bad some of the numbers were from a total offensive standpoint. Their struggles on third downs the receiving core in my opinion instill a little bit underrated. There are some nice pieces. They're running back situation kenyan drake in a walking boot. They say he's going to be ready to go. I mean what do you expect or what do you you need to see from our perspective to know that the dolphins are making a step in the right direction because interestingly enough. This is still a team. That's thrived in their home games. During the month of september i believe leave their forty two and eighteen since nineteen eighty four games played in miami early pretty hot down here no question about it and then with the change in o._t._a.'s in camp. I've been things that teams aren't allowed to do now under the new c._b._a. Guys aren't in shape so but the schedules brutal we talk about the offense. It's obviously got serious question marks. She got a new oh see and chat o'shea. He's never played before <hes> and then they tried to soften that burden by bringing in like a veteran presence in jim caldwell. He left the team in the middle of july with health issues. The offensive line coach pat flaherty. He's already been fired before. Meaningful game took place. <hes> you know the quarterback quarterback situation is interesting and it comes down to d want to start the better quarterback. That's more mobile turning thirty seven november. You wanna find out what you have in josh rosen. I prefer the latter option but there's potential for rosen to absolutely get killed behind the dolphins offensive line and miami was second worsens aykroyd allowed to they got fifty two total sacks and the off season. You lose your starting right tackle. The denver decide to pay fifty. One million now is euler. Dealers like lots of of really really nice talent that young at the skill positions but this is the cheapest offense in the n._f._l. And i think to make matters worse the dolphins face the second toughest schedule of opposing defenses season. You know if the offensive line doesn't end up being like a collection of five matadors the skill guys can make some place yes and so you know the talent overall. <hes> is an issue but i just think the reason why floors florist fired pat flaherty is because he had a horse waiting in the wings a little bit and i feel bad for platt fair pat flaherty kind of like the the odd man out here but i'm going to butcher the guy's last name but dave diglis m._o. Remember that name. He was actually previously with the dolphins in two thousand seventeen when he took over in week six. If you remember that year taught chris foerster the guy that was fired for sending and coke snorting videos to strippers which is not for all of our younger listeners out there. That's not a smart move to try and make sure you stay gainfully employed when you find yourself the workplace professing love to strippers will snorting coke. That's that's miami anyways. Here's the here's the bottom line pain any woman that's named dafter spice not really long term dating a white you learn that after your forty seven years on earth i mean we all make poor choices along those can can. I say you were going to get some type of promotional. Deal there with floyd mayweather. 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We should definitely go this direction just to make todd feel uncomfortable every monday and thursday. We re talking about monday night football on thursday night football specials but hey i mean we are the vice podcast of sorts. I figure somewhere in the near future. Someone will come out of the woodworks. They're gonna want offer an alcohol deal cannabis everything else else under the sun so that may be pandora's box. We'll keep the lid on at least for a little while in the entertaining kicking. I think we're talking about the the <hes> dolphins oh line here so they brought in danny de gleam oh <hes> and he was kind of the interim there so the dolphins went from twenty county i in pass blocking efficiency from weeks one through five with the snow blower to second in week six through seventeen and then if you think about this and if you remember dave was with the colts last year so he was really responsible for the improvement of the colts going from <hes> like a a league worst ten percents accurate and fifty six total sacks allowed two thousand seventeen to a four percent saccharine only allowing eighteen sacks <hes> <hes> last year with indianapolis and it was basically just frank reich wanting his own guy in there you mentioned kenyan drake. He is in the walking boot. He needs needs the ball more especially catching out of the backfield and i think maybe the dolphins hands will be forced there because they'll probably be trailing a lot of games but for whatever the reason they have like this hard on for kaelin balaj and aside from a long run against the vikings last year he wasn't very good. I've kind of mentioned this. There's a reason he wasn't the a full-blown belco arizona's state his vision is is not very good. I think it's that of mrs riley from from my cousin vinny so that needs to improve a little bit for him to be an every down runner that the dolphins seem so intent on forcing him today. Ah we look at miami defensively. Don't wanna spend a ton of time. Here's i kind of look at the clock attended tech and at this rate we'll finish up to preseason podcasts at the exact same time that we start at one games xavien howard we know he is the star i mean he has bona fide number one quarterback quarterback lead in his position <music>. But where else do you look at the dolphins defense and what are some of the things that you don't just same thing it's new bodies everywhere right so like patrick graham the coordinator. He's he's never coordinated events before called place. I know floors wants him down on the field so he can kind of teach guys right doesn't want him in the press box. You mentioned mentioned the nice young pieces. You have minka. Who's an absolute stud. You have xavien howard. You have jerome baker. I think those guys have potential to be superstars. You draft wilkins adds some beef up front but i think there's going to be a massive issue getting to the quarterback. This season miami was twenty eighth and sack rate last year. You'll lose cam wake. It's six hundred and four or pressures in ten seasons. I don't know how you make that up. We know floors kind of comes from that school of ballot. Check words about scheming quarterback pressure but i think he's got his hands full. In this department i would envision my finds itself at the bottom of the league and saccharine pressure rate especially since we right now. It looks like they're going to face a top. Five scheduled pass protection offenses. You watch that first preseason game. I get it. It's the preseason but the dolphins were intent on winning that thing match shaab at one one point one snap. I remember was clocked at having a full seven seconds to release pass so still in search of a second cornerback cornerback opposite xavien howard as well and you face. Tom brady twice big. Ben rivers luck wins baker deck in darnold twice. It's not a good combination. If you don't have a second cornerback and you can't get after the quarterback dolphins would be an interesting team to watch. We'll see how quickly that a tank for two comes into play away and if they're sitting on the clock with the number one overall pick with the potential to draft a franchise quarterback but like you said. I don't think it'll be for lack of effort as we know. Bryant floors won't tolerate the kind of crap when we look at the a._f._c. north pain we have seen a changing of the garden you know obviously cleveland generating all the hype and buzz. They start out as the favourite but as i look at bet online dot a._g. Steelers have moved into that role priced at seventy five the browns behind them at three to the baltimore ravens at three two one and the cincinnati bengals at fourteen one that being said i still want to start with the cleveland browns. We break this division down their win. Total nine flatbed online dot e. g. and and i guess the biggest question you have sky high expectations for a team with no tracker of sustained success or franchise achievement. They've the longest active play out. You're out in the league going all the way back to a two thousand two. But how do we handicap at team that the market seems to be so high on and public sentiment. It's boom bust getting this team to miami to try and play for a super bowl tied. It'd be awesome if we could short future prices and our market just put it that way. I mean some shops as slowest ten to one on these guys always already trophy right and it's it's pretty nuts in get it. You know i i love freddie kitchens. We're on the freddie train before anyone you know so you can kind of go all the way back to last season when he was first promoted dolphins of coordinator media members had no clue he was guys in our space ace were like making fun of his name and we immediately backed our opinions with cash and invest in the browns numerous times once ready was o._c. Like i you know we pounded the table from like november. I onward about his abilities as an offensive mind. The the improvement was absolutely dramatic and i think that's what everyone's we're looking at. This offense is just going to be dynamic. I think and we saw that last year with a rookie quarterback who's clearly improved from weeks one through eight with hugh jackson at the helm cleveland's offense was twenty seventh in rushing success rate thirty first passing success rate twentieth and explosive passing. You gets fired. Freddie takes over the browns in weeks nine through seventeen improved eighth in rushing success rate fifth in passing success rate third explosive passing. Is it now you adobe. Jay and i think he's possibly the most talented receiver the league's ever seen. I don't think abilities have been fully on display. I don't think in and and you look last year beckham had an n._f._l. Worst fifty percent of his targets chartered as being accurately thrown to him right. I think that's something baker. Acre should help with as good as baker was for rookie. He did have some accuracy issues. I think that should probably improve this year. When you look at mayfield's depth depth adjusted accuracy rating it was fifty one percent that was thirty second in the league only behind josh allen and josh rosen and big ben so that's got to improve a little bit here the other thing. That's a little bit scary and not to get too long winded but i think it does matter. We've been hearing some rumblings and some rumors that the two great offensive mines in freddie kitchens in the o._c. Todd mahnken haven't been getting along as well as expected right from like the middle of june and <hes> july there is like this this transition to monk in hadn't gone as smoothly as bland and i think kitchens wanted to maintain a larger role in the offense and he made it known that he was going to be going on game day and there was a reporter. I believe his name is nate. Oldrich on july twenty four th the asked kitchens how things were going with monk in in their response was i'm satisfied with the work of the offense coordinator dodd market that was it so this is this is worth monitoring honoring a little bit that one question mark with this offense and we've kind of talked about this off. Air is the offensive line right like the tackle positions. Greg robinson johnson is you're starting left tackle. That's a scary thought. Chris hubbard is a right tackle. That's not much better now. The way you call an offense can really help line that showed again san juan freddie kitchens took over first eight games under hugh jackson offensive line surrendered seventy six pressures final eight games with kitchens down to fifty four the talent is through the roof roof but as you alluded to at the top so as the market cleveland's the fifth favourite to win the super bowl someplace that's wild to me plus to schedule of defenses the browns face as the season. It's going to increase in toughness by about sixty percent year-over-year <hes> and also cleveland had the best offensive injury luck last season taught so that probably nobly progressives a little bit as well well thinking about cleveland to as we talk about all the star power on the offensive side and odell odell beckham grabs the headlines we know about at their off-season signing of kareem hunt claim is re centered himself. I'm not even sure exactly what adjectives they use. They'll get him back around thanksgiving the bolster their backfield's say they'll oh coming in number two role behind nick job but the fences plenty of superstars as well and myles garrett flash that potential season go with thirteen and a half sacks they bring back some key contributors attributed on the defense obviously and youngsters denzel war damaris randall terrance mitchell you look at who they added on the defensive line olivier vernon and sheldon richardson what do remake of cleveland on the defensive side because i know their win total increase last season but we did see the defense regress year over year yeah. I don't don't mind steve wilks. Not everyone's cut out to be achieved. Some people are better indians and i think that's probably the case for him on. It was one and done in arizona's a head coach now browns d._c. I think the one thing he does have in common with greg. Williams is wilkes loved. The loves descent heat so fans who he didn't like as much as is cleveland blitz last year. You might actually see a little bit more in two thousand seventeen as d._c. With the panthers wilkes sent blitzes on fifty fifty one point one percent of carolina's defensive snaps does the most in the n._f._l. Last year the number dropped to like a hair under forty six percent which is still really healthy and i think really healthy when you consider the cardinals didn't leave very often so you know wilkes isn't a tailor-made situation. I think the defense again it's the theme of of cleveland <unk> loaded right. You like add sheldon richardson in olympia vernon to the d. line on paper. It's probably the best eline football with open jovian ian in garrett so i mean draft greedy williams as well to pair with denzel award so you've got two guys that are are on an island. The key is getting those two guys to tackle but you know you're if that's the worst thing of cover owners that they don't tackle very well so be it so you got three key additions on that side of the ball. The schedule of opponents faced dips dramatically. Cleveland goes from the third toughest schedule of offenses in two thousand eighteen to one of the ten easiest this season. I think this unit has potential ential to be elite. This is what's so tough about cleveland right. It's like we love both sides of the ball like we love their coach but we just can't get over the mental the last act of where cleveland used to be to where they are now like if this was cleveland right that was like a decent team where suddenly probably not thinking like nine nine or nine and a half's dislike astronomical number two eclipse right todd like it's. I think it's the mindset of just how bad they've been in years prior. It's it's tough to stomach number number like this well. I think the biggest thing for me is i go through cleveland and try and figure out what they're going to be about this season such high expectations. We know that the weight of the world will be on on their shoulders now to their credit. Dave actually embraced it. It's not as though they're shying away from it. Baker has been very outspoken on number of these things but we kind of identify early on. I don't wanna put words in your mouth does not like we go through script and rehearse. I don't see cleveland at least for me during them onto september when i look at their schedule and i look at all everything that's going on on the periphery as has a team. I'm going to bet on or against regularly until i know what the browns all about no doubt about that and not to throw a little jab. You know how for our listeners how not scripted this <music>. I sent todd a note like hey. Let's go team by team within the division in alphabetical order now benson yeah i like to get you got notes fucking everywhere right now. Oh well then you know what all right. I'm gonna do your favorite alphabetical order with the be there. We go next team on the list bom why i wasn't sure if you wanted to go by team name name city name or anything else so baltimore his then so when we look at the ravens here their window it'll sits at eight. You do have to lay a dollar thirty eighty five to go over division champions for the first time since two thousand twelve they did win six of their final seven games to salvage the season we know about life of them are jackson accent change in offensive philosophy once he took over greg room and will be their new offensive coordinator and paying when you look at the way they finished the season i mean the ravens ran for two hundred plus yards and and five final seven games. They ran the ball sixty four percent of the time but obviously ran into a pretty stiff roadblock in the playoffs against the chargers. How do we go about assessing assing baltimore on the offensive side of the bomb. You know two things. I think are pretty clear for me and it's it's lamar. Jackson has a ton of potential and what the ravens are doing doing has a real chance of working. The second part to that though is is lamar has to continue making strides as a passer because eventually the edge in the advantages style has is teams continue to get more film and get more reps against it will decrease <hes> you mentioned greg roman uh hammond o._c. <hes> or him in harbaugh i think are going to have to design new things to counter these adjustments <hes> but i think the easiest way to keep defense on their heels is is lamar improving through the ariza passer so defenses can't cheat run baltimore really tried to to assist in this this offseason. If you look at what they've done with the receiver position right. It's it's not this possession receiver. It's it's guys who can take the lid off defense. It's guys in miles boykin <hes> in hollywood brown although he's dealing with a little bit of an injury that can flat out fly fly enforce the safeties to help deep and if a safeties force to help or does that mean it means one guy in the box when lamar's running so i think that's interesting thing that they've gotten rid of of the crabtree type receiver and just went for speed to create more space for lamar the eight-game sample size that we have on the more it it certainly looks better than flacco nine games last season but the average opponent ranked defensively that lamar faced was twenty second and that balloons out to twenty seventh if not for the two games against the chargers who had the eighth most efficient defense in the n._f._l. And in those same eight starch the arts the average rushing efficiency defense lamar faced was twenty-fourth <hes> so you know he had a very beneficial schedule of defenses insist if you look at lamar's last three starts a season ago against the chargers twice in the browns his rushing success rate numbers were actually thirty one percent forty percent percent forty four percent the average team in the n._f._l. Average success rate is like forty eight percent to paint that picture so you know i it's not the teams caught on but there's some potential that the team started to figure out how to defend them. Obviously the charger a very good defense they they went with a faster defensor moving like safeties down the linebackers <hes> the other area where lamar has to improve in. It's it's pretty glaring is in the red zone right. We talk about this all the time. When when you have a quarterback who's not overly confident or not overly accurate when space starts to shrink. I think they're going to struggle a little bit so lamar completed only thirty seven percent of his red zone passes. Josh mccown was the only quarterback that was worse last season. That's got to improve the two positives though that could really outweigh everything in its at the ravens face the second easiest schedule of run defenses again this season and so as you mentioned the team that ran the ball about sixty four sixty five percent of the time the final eight games with lamar jackson. I think that that bodes well the one thing here. I think that people are and i and i really wanna make this a big note. I think there's value in baltimore. <hes> i know that the wind total was eight shaded under. We're starting to see that tick up a little bit. Listen listen. He makes them horrific looking passes and i think that distorts the narrative but if you really dig and you really look doc you completed fifty eight percent of his passes last year at twenty one years old michael vick despite all his off season mos- everyone off off the field blows. Everyone seems to love mike vick you only completed forty four percent of his passes at age twenty one and when you look at yards per pass attempt seven point one for lamar jackson that was over a half a yard more than peyton manning in his rookie season. I i wasn't high on the mark jackson coming out. I'm kind of starting to change my tune here talk while this is a moment on mark this thing down a fifty two minute mark of the a._f._c. preseason preseason podcasts pain is officially changed his tune on expectation littlemore just point this outright and i think this is different from what we do here and it's important to note note. This were not <hes> while i guess we are media members but we're not what we're doing is market related right so we should be changing our opinions right because this is a market and i think that's the biggest difference being able to adjust right. If we're not able to adjust it would effectively be like hey a you know that stock you're going to buy you can never sell it right that you would no one would ever buy stock at that point so you have to be able to have fluid opinions because in the gambling world is much watches. It is a hobby for people. This is an actual real market and i think that's the biggest difference between being like a hot. Take media member dying on a hill aw when you mention the market pain and clearly lamar jackson garner the headlines real quickly on the ravens defense they lose a lot of familiar faces eric waddel elgon c. j. moseley off to the jets terrell suggs heads out to the desert. Daria smith incomes earl thomas to kind of anchor that back line. What are the expectations locations for the ravens. Stop unit that we've grown accustomed to really being strengthened this football team in the last five to seven if not long i should say the last few years it still could be a pretty pretty big strengths and you know who's a massive fan of lamar jackson defense because they weren't on the field very often and when you look once lamar took over over after the bye week from week eleven through the wildcard game baltimore's defense spent two hundred ten minutes out of a possible four hundred and eighty nine on the field. They spent a hair less than forty three percent of game time on the field with flacco the first nine games. It was a shade over fifty percent so i think those defensive offensive guys are going to be fresh. Baltimore finished last season third overall defensive efficiency despite facing the fifth tough schedule of offenses this this year we project baltimore's defense to face a schedule of offenses. That's actually below average now. You mentioned the loss of c._j. Moseley. I think that will be felt organization. She wanted to keep them price. Tag was too steep. It's a young fast linebacker core but it's a ton of inexperience question marks with guys like kenny young and chris board award and i think the guy's last name is owner wasser by butcher that <hes> that's the big area of concern for me is the linebacker corps for when you look at fumble luck for the defense opposing offenses fumbled the ball fifteen times baltimore only recovered five of them that was twenty fifth lowest percentage in the n._f._l. N._f._l. show they didn't even have fumble luck last year so you look yeah. The parts specifically at linebacker might not be as good but you didn't have fumble lock. The schedule gets easier easier <hes>. I'm not sure we'll see a ton of regression from the defensive side of the ball well. I'll tell you one thing if you have questions about the ravens in what they're going to be defensively cancel. You have to have even more questions about the cincinnati bengals whose win total sits five and a half. You need to lay a dollar thirty. Two over of course we finally see a changing changing of the guard. Marvin lewis who i thought was a coach was never going to get fired no matter what he did on the field finally they make way for a new young hip play collar offense in mind in zack taylor. The thirty six year-old takes over a fan of that higher for the bengals to infuse them with a little bit of life zack. Taylor's is an interesting laugh laugh it over there. I'm not quite sure what you're laughing about him for laughing at my expense share the joke podcast you know zack taylor's and interesting guy you know i don't know let's just put this me lots of learning on the fly good dude. This just feels like a massive leap leap right and possibly the most questionable higher this offseason. If you remember like the running joke in the off season was like if you've even had like a single conversation with sean mcvay people shoreline up to give you an interview and just how well regarded sean mcvay and zack taylor parlayed that into a head coaching job good for him. I have some familiarity with zach taylor. It's a guy who spent four years with the dolphins working his way up the ranks finally in two thousand fifteen he was handed the keys to the to the offenses vents izzo see the dolphins finished twenty second offense efficiency despite facing the nineties schedule defenses that year taylor was not retained in two thousand sixteen is forced forced to head to back to college. He's actually the offense coordinator of cincinnati. In the bearcats finished ninety ninth in offense of efficiency. Jack taylor wasn't retained paint mcvay literally like picks this dude up in the back of an alley somewhere and make some lichen assistant wide receivers coach in two seasons later. He's he's now got a job which there's only thirty two of the world and so you know it's like hashtag power sean mcveigh i. I don't know what he is <hes>. He's got a lot of nice young weapons to work with. If that's where we're going with this we can talk about him more on talk about the offense like i you know segue into the actual offense and if this is andy dalton health that becomes a concern when we're going to see a._j. Green on the field if tyler boyd can live up the massive paycheck that they gave him or an offensive line. That's already seemingly banged up and we haven't even put the calendar september. It's just it's so cincinnati like i feel bad. It's listen though zack taylor has weapons of work with joe mixing last year finished eighth out of forty seven qualifying <unk> running backs in yards above replacement placement tyler boyd who you mentioned was fantastic finish twelfth out of eighty four receivers in yards above replacement cincinnati was also the six most injured offense in the n._f._l. You'd hope hope that improves but like good god before the start of the season use a._j. Green who's likely gonna miss. I would say at least the first two games this season the eleventh pick overall joan williams liam's who's going to be a day one starter at left tackle terrzas labor. He's likely out for the year. Just bad luck like i don't know i guess if you're a glass half full well guy you'll go back to last season when the bengals were fully healthy and say you know there that foreign one team that foreign one team that had an offense that was top ten in both rushing and passing success rate through five weeks there that offense that was sixth in explosive plays the first five weeks. I don't know if that's them. <hes> <hes> when i look at cincinnati's opponents were projecting the offense to face one of the five toughest schedules of opposing defenses in the n._f._l. I think the idea that the schedule schedule is easy based on the accumulation vegas win. Totals gets a bit distorted by the fact that miami arizona oakland are on the schedule but if you look at the the rest of the schedule it's like stock up teams san francisco stock up buffalo stock up baltimore twice stock up jacksonville stock up cleveland stock up jet stock up and for me to games against pittsburgh. That's a soccer team not too far ahead and then you're out of division. Games are against the rams and patriots. I think there's real deception the bengals schedule if you're only using the vegas win totals to gauge the first nine games mm excluding hosting arizona are real bear defensively any light at the end of the tunnel for the bengals who put together a horrific pass defense that was last in yards per game allow third down percentage one historically worst defenses we'd seen and consistently found themselves giving up a plane lou anna room. Oh is the dc. The zac taylor broaden now is his buddy with the dolphins from two thousand twelve to two thousand seventeen anteroom will never elevated past defensive backs coach for the dolphins aside from like an interim d._c. Job during the two thousand fifteen season now i get the preseason you're not showing anything in the chiefs. Offense is scary good but the bengals looked like they had troubles even lining up in the preseason opener now he inherits arts this defense that that was nicely struggled last season twenty eighth overall efficiency. The bright spot is the schedule of offenses cincinnati face. Go from the most difficult in the n._f._l. To one project that's below average. <hes> health on the side of the ball wasn't much better. The bengals were tenth motion defense. What i'm hearing ring within though is is the vibe of the defensive players is is a much better place. Lots of guys didn't get along last year. The communication apparently is better. I blame <unk>. I blame. I told it <hes> i i would think a good year for the bengals. Defense is getting to below average. Honestly <hes> and you look at the roster they have the head the ninth most cap space and the mangles didn't do anything to bolster the defense in the off season really so it's it's a first time d._c. In some of the players from last year now the windows at five and a half. It's such a low number despite of you know all the doom and gloom. I certainly couldn't look under at actually lean over at this number but it's just the market hates team. I i don't know there's there's a lot of this. This could be ugly as a potential be ugly but there are some nice parts there. Let's just kind of leave it at that and and move on all right the final release covered cincinnati fits right in our off season podcast. Jay was a guy who was telling me the cincinnati bengals were going to win a super bowl any he berated in custody me and then i looked at his twitter profile and he's got like his face painted bengals stripes. Why my hat anybody who's gonna paint their face in bengal stripes cherry particular yeah exactly sharing that publicly so for that guy we spend at least seven minutes on the bengals just for you. It's it's incredible. We're gonna get seven minutes in just about every team in the a._f._c. The steelers nine their are win total. You do have to lay a dollar twenty five at bet online dot e g to go over. I mean pain. Maybe the first time in a long time that they're not actually the hunted in the division and i i did find it interesting that mike tomlin took things so far this off season and use the line that he said he saw this as a cleansing of the locker room and we obviously know which personalities he was referring to a big ben led the league in passing yards a season ago first season without missing start since two thousand fourteen and we'll see juju smith schuster james connor capable of assuming the roles that were typically filled by leaving belle any antonio brown but we look at the steelers offense the biggest question i half for you. How can we quantify the loss of one of the members of the coaching staff mike mancha who really done this unit attack. I like that there you go. Oh i think you hit the right. Spy did wanna make a joke about the cleansing but i'm going to refrain from that. This is a safe save space paint fire away. Just don't offend a lot of listeners joke about my holistic healing this offseason but i'm not gonna make a joke of it. Listen you might wanna <unk>. You might wanna read on that holistic healing you went through. I you mentioned the align. It's it's been a strength for for years. It's afforded lane bell the luxury of being like the most patient runner in the league sometimes taking a nap and eating sandwich before actually hitting the hall but i think the loss of of mike monchique is is one of the larger staff losses in the league. That's not being talked about my by mainstream media and you'll look check with pittsburgh for five seasons. He heads to denver basically in the same exact role in mon- checks first year pittsburgh so line was sixth in adjusted adjusted line yards in year two eighth in both line yards and pass protection your three top four in both line yards and pass protection year four the number one in pass protection last season montek steelers. O. line was fourth in pass protection. There's just not enough good coaches on the steelers roster to lose one of your your best the positive though like we've seen life without levy on bell already in just fine james connor delivered better numbers in yards per rush attempt success rate was even more explosive catching the ball in the backfield bill. I think conor from what i've seen appears to be in better shape. He claims it's the best shape of his life. He admitted last season that he wore down wasn't prepared for a full time role. Antonio brown. I think is the tough hold of fill. It appears. James washington isn't four months pregnant. This year is in better shape. He's ready to take ghana larger role. Hopefully that helps a little bit big. Ben has said all the right things this off season. He's prepared to be a better leader. The vibe feels totally really a different <hes> to your point of holistic healing <hes> my understanding though in an ideal world is steelers would like to have have washington lined up outside moncrieff lined up outside and then have juju in the slot knowing teams that really wanna key on juju <hes> you can allow him more space to operate if he's in the middle of field and that's the goal we're gonna find out a._b._c.'s value pretty quickly <hes> because not only will pittsburgh half to fill the void. They're gonna do so all facing a projected top five scheduled pass defenses show interesting situation are big ben's going to have to step is game other receivers specifically. James washington are going to have to step up when we look at them defensively. I mean i do want to ask about how you interpret. What the market mark fields the steelers are going to be this season. The strength is typically been their ability to get after the quarterback. I mean they should be good there again. I think we were both in agreement that pick trading up to to make sure they got devon bush to be the potential replacement for ryan shazier. Bring some of that strength physicality and speed that they desperately lacked but when you look at the steelers stop stop unit overall. How do you grade them out going into the twelve weeks on the off season podcasts. I'll say it again. This steelers defense has to finish top five. <hes> <hes> or in my mind is going to be an underachieving season. <hes> i'm not a mike tomlin guy. Our audience knows that very well but i think you know he showed some signs signs of improvement. You have to look at it without biased. I liked the changes that i saw from tomlin's defense from the bye week on it was it was all about getting back to basics dumbing things down simplifying his call so guys could play downhill and move around faster not have to worry about things from week. Seven onward pittsburgh's defense was topped seven seven in both passing and rushing success rate. They also finished second quarterback pressure rate as you alluded to. I was glowing when the steelers went out and landed devon bush. I'm not someone who loves teams moving up in the draft but he fills a clear void his father's also n._f._s. You legacy got so i i like the family i like bush. <hes> you're here. You're look at pittsburgh. They get that sideline to sideline thumper back in the middle of defense. That's that's been sorely missed. Since the you know the unfortunate ryan shazier injured they add mark barron and steven nelson a top thirty corner and the other thing is we project the steelers defense to face a bottom third schedule of opposing offenses season last year. It was the six toughest. I think mike tomlin noses time's running out right to me that one year extension that he it wasn't a positive sign. It was a proven type deal so i really like this defensive here. What do you feel about the market and how the market has treated the pittsburgh steelers right. Now i mean we've seen money. Come in both ways on this win total abaco hata. Just put it that way. There's there's two groups with differing opinions. One is not high on pittsburgh. One is high on pittsburgh and and that is why you're seeing fluctuation. There is a battle dylan. I think nines probably a good number and it'll be fun to see wins. That battle comes seasons. It just say one thing too. When you look at the steelers final note here i mean this is a team. Schedule-wise schedule-wise thinks setup relatively favorably as far as home road splits early on <hes> but you look at how things will play out over the last seven weeks five of those games will be on the road at at cleveland at cincinnati home date against cleveland at arizona home against buffalo and they finish up a two games on the road at the jets and baltimore so it steelers having known what their home road splits have looked like in the past they better make sure they're a little bit more buttoned up when they go on the road if they're gonna have to win meaningful football games no question that's usually wear your coaching staff is on full display. When you're coaching home you know what are you doing on the road and i think that's that's a telling sign. So that was a good point. You made their when we shift to the a._f._c. South and i just wanna make sure -cause my alphabets a little bit weak when we go through you wanna texans one colts to jaguar three retired. Tell her that education's fan off. You know what every now and again i mean. I looked at the list of top colleges that came out. Wesleyan continues to drunk in the national profile so i think i think diminishing what i had to spend to get that education at a liberal arts university refund man what's going on with that. Why are they dropping. I think no idea i mean i have no idea maybe the more media work we do. People listen to the podcast and it values the degree that we've put together. I'm not quite gotcha. Gotcha gotcha all right houston texans time we look at the texans this team listed right now now as far as the divisions concerned right around four to one puts them in the middle of the pack that culture the favorite even with uncertainty swirling around andrew lock about a dollar thirty favorite favorite the jags that plus four fifty titans at six to one but when you look at the texans win total that numbers priced eight and i think when we talked about the texans last year pain i mean this was a team that start off extremely slowly started to get their footing during the middle of the year but we were never really bullish the same way the market treat him. They benefitted immensely from off-schedule in your opinion. Did they do enough to address their primary concerns from a year ago and then i know we're going to address it but i'm definitely curious to get your take on the david clowney tation listen. The glaring concern is their offensive line and that's got to be better period. You know watson was pressure. On a league high forty five percent of dropbox two hundred and eighty one total <unk> pressures that watson had to navigate last season and the sad part to it all was houston faced the easiest schedule of pass rushing defenses credit to him. He was a freaking wizard. He delivered a league best eight passer rating when pressured among all qualifying quarterbacks detections. I just you know you need to help him by adding adding some talent and certainly by scheme which is is much to be desired at this point with bill bryant. I think they tried the first part this off season you know no you draft titus howard i think it's probably a year a year a round early out of desperation and the eagles like you know went and got author guy and he'll be of the eventual replacement for peter's <hes> and andre dillard but i i just i'm sorry andrea diller will be the replacement for peter's rather <hes>. I just stuff like this happens. You know getting leap like that happens when you're not buttoned up organization and i think that's that's what what happened here now. It's easy to assess other teams needs but i think if you polled just like any random human on the street. There were gonna have andrea dealer and i get that that you want to interview them in. Bring him in but a lot of savvy teams. You'll hear orrin actually like bringing in guys that they really. They want early on route. They don't want their hand in their stories. Where you hear guys were like oh you know. I hadn't even actually talked to them before. These are the kinds of things that you have to do in houston houston their disaster. They're even going with a fulltime g._m. This year i don't know what's going on but anyways they also. I figured you to throw in. I figured you'd throwing your hat in the ring. You could've been an admiral fill in g._m. Collar shots. They're huge corporate guy. <hes> say nine to five guy and that's like an eighteen hour. Our job is not for me anyways. They asked they added the <hes>. The kid from youtube right mack scharping so i think he's he's hometown kid. He's versatile. He played tackle. He played some guard at n._y._u. They also signed matt kalil but a lot of this. I think comes down to scheme as well right right like you know hopefully trading for duke. Johnson signals more running back passes last year. The texans targeted running backs only four and a half times per the game there were sixteen running backs that had more targets per game just by themselves right than the entire texans running back for two things before we kind of clear out the offense i the offense better be i think dynamic hangs points because the schedule of defense is they face go oh from six toughest to middle of the pack in their projected the face one of the ten easiest schedules pass defenses and so you know this. This offense has to make that that next step. I think it's imperative right that. The receiving core stays healthy kiki. Kutai only played seven games last season. He's already dealing with a a high ankle sprain that he suffered last week possibly going to miss the early part of the season and he'd been turned up underneath in camp all all all this past off season. I think we talked about that a little bit on the offseason podcasts a guy that was just butting <hes> will fuller has to say healthy vital to the offense in this bears repeating eating over at twenty three game sample when wolf colors in the game shawn watson averages one and a half more yards per pass attempt one and a half more passing touchdowns per game speed kills so that wide receiver core must stay healthy yeah as you say. The two of them combined nineteen games last season. It doesn't appear that they're on the right track going forward this season either on the other side. We know the texans were good against the run but my lord. They couldn't stop anybody through the year. Twenty eighth ranked pass defense in two thousand eighteen interesting story. I made a joke about your d._v. And cloudy. There's people out to the team hasn't had any contact with him since the end of last season which is absolutely mind boggling now i know that they shed a lot of last year secondary and it brought in some fresh faces but did they bring in the right guys that they're actually going to be competent. In general i'm kind of leery about the texans defense and a lot of their metrics last season are a little phony right they they look good on paper seventh and overall for all defensive efficiency and fifth in rushing accessory defense but a lot of that was aided by schedule and a real lack of competent and quarterback play and you know houston went against the second easiest schedule of offenses last season by four the easiest schedule of pass offense as you go down the the list of quarterbacks in it's it's nathan peterman it's cody kessler is blake bortles blaine gabbert brock osweiler coat mccoy he li- manning pod firm firm in three rookie quarterback's the schedule was all you know i'm extremely accurate on passes five yards or lassie's wanna make sure you weren't sleeping over there. <hes> <hes> i'm not the one that during the damn podcasts or it's a stop throwing me i sit here and actually listen to what you have to say. Hold on. Don't you buy me some time so i can have a lara bar or whatever the hell you on you. Gotta you gotta handle tandy there to try and get a snack by the way the guy sent us a picture of his lara bar yesterday after we'd. We've talked about this on the podcast. I knew there was a chocolate peanut butter but i didn't know there is a peanut butter and something else combination. There's i i mean pretty much every flavor under the sun then you get into the limited edition varieties i mean there's a lot of options out there pain. I mean you haven't even begun to peel back. The lid of what's available four arfan line a little bit more. Go check it out so the a._d._d. Again there <hes> where we at the schedule so so despite facing like a an easy z. scheduled pass offenses and you know bottom of the barrel quarterbacks houston was just middle of the pack in passing success rate defense in explosive blows of pass defense and then you start to forecast ahead a little bit. The schedule of offense has texans face. It's going to be one of the five toughest overall one of the toughest in terms of passing <hes> <hes> you mentioned some of the guys in the secondary they went out. They spent on tae shawn gibson. He's an adequate safety. They drafted lonnie johnson junior junior the corner from kentucky there i. I don't know if it's enough especially you know with the david clowney news. He's trying to force his way out the town via trade. It'll be interesting to see if the dolphins bite yeah. I mean i'm not i wasn't a fan of most of the texans last here in l. Personally won't be a fan until i see them. Prove it always scary. When you look to try and faded team that does have a dynamic play caller under center in shawn watson and you know as a human highlight highlight film ready to take off at a moment's notice a more conventional quarterback is what indianapolis has obviously when he's available actually under center you look at their win total title depending on where you look ten heavy juice to the under amid all the recent news nine and a half with juice shaded over. I mean pain. We have to start with the biggest question right now a team team that both of us are sitting on to win the division. The indianapolis colts what the hell is going on with the andrew luck. That was short dow short the next i. I'm seeing everything everyone else to see. That's <hes> at <hes> here. I <hes> i think he's gonna be okay. You know it's it's a weird injury. It started in his calf. It's now down to his ankle. It's not an achilles. He was bandaged up yesterday around the ankle walking walking around out there. I don't know he's tough guy stuff guy though i know i should but it's all i know i got. Nothing and i got no information from where you're going. No i wasn't really going there should we. How do you wanna go about assessing their offense with the questions whirling there i mean i know we've talk talk to great lengths about their offensive line. I know what they did in the receiving core adding devin funchess and drafting paris campbell so wherever you want to go as far as the colts offense is is concerned. I'm more than happy to let you know we we gave out the colts to win the division and at plus money in the off season podcast twelve weeks ago. It's moved about forty cents in our favor since then. There's there's really not much new on the side of the ball off. <hes> devin funchess looks like he's he's won the number two receiving job across from t. Y hilton and the guy that we kind of mentioned twelve weeks ago that was killing it. Rookie camp pairs campbell. I think he's just about cemented the starting slot job so i think peirce campbell can can help the offense hit big plays. It's an area where the colts could improve offensively. There's twenty fifth and explosive place again. If there are question marks on the side of the ball it's ginger locks calf. It's it's a calf. That's been or ankle however we want to position that that's that's been lingering for about two months. Luck claims he's going to play week one. We'll see <hes> the other thing that i i kind of mentioned when we discussed the the dolphins. That's a bit odd this off season is the culture offensive line frank right apparently wanted to to fill out his staff with all his guy so we let go of the offensive line line coach who's with the previous regime. He is partly responsible for the colts offensive line being top five in adjusted line yards and second best injustice accurate. You don't wanna see any regression there especially if if luck is back there and he's only at at eighty five percent. Maybe things change or regress with a different voice is there the schedule of opposing defenses faced actually ease up a little bit this season to it goes from fourteenth toughest to a fraction below average that were projecting <hes> <hes> i. I think that if you're you're looking at some things it's probably impossible for the colts to maintain their third best third down conversion percentage that that was that was <hes> a league best. I i don't know there's really not much on the side of the ball. They made huge leaps last year. Obviously went from twenty nine th and efficiency the tenth it. It all depends on andrew lock and so without getting into that too much. I think the colts offense can be fine. Let's just put the defensive defensively. I mean rookie darius and leonard. Maybe a what we call franchise defining talent given what he did last season led the entire league in tackles with one hundred sixty three seven six four four fumbles two interceptions you go out and you bring in a little bit of a veteran pass rush presence in defensive end justin houston who had previous ties matt aber fluids from their time in kansas city and you look at the way the colts address the defensive side of the ball in the draft. Seven of their first eight draft picks all on that side. Are you happy with the way the colts are going from analytical standpoint. Yeah i mean listen was a breakout year for the colts you know they they finished top ten inefficiency something that hadn't been done by this organization since two thousand and seven but chris ballard is so savvy right he realized there was a lot of of of smoke in those numbers and there is still a ton of work to be done on the defense inside of the ball right and so right in ballard understood the colts face the very easiest schedule of offense in the n._f._l. In two thousand eighteen because they have one one of the very best analytical departments in the league so you know you mentioned what do they do. They go out. They get justin houston and free agency. That's monstrous as you alluded to. Seven of the first eight draft picks on defense. This organization realized they go from one of the easiest slates of opposing offenses to an above average schedule of offenses <hes> <hes> mattie <unk> the coast de someone <hes> we talked about at great lengths last year on the preview podcasts he silently one of the most critical members of that cowboy staff and i think ever fluids really got the colts defense to improve as the season went on some of that was clearly luck shaking off the the early season roster and helping opened the defense out but when you compare weeks one through six verses seven through the divisional round of the playoffs the colts defense improved in both rushing and passing success rate allow both explosive run and pass defense everything that i'm hearing as well is rock. You sin the physical corner out of temple simple. They drafted at the top of round two has been lights out for the indy secondary which is a real position of needs so i think this defense. It's despite the schedule getting a little tougher. We'll find themselves. You know right around what they did. Last year it should be interesting and we can only hope as football fans and obviously future ticket holders on the division that andrew lock is out there even if he's not one hundred percent right out of the gates that he will be about the time middle of september rolls around from indie down to northern florida where the jaguar she their win total at seven and a half to a dollar twenty five to go over the blake bortles era officially over making way for nick foles and with the jags have defined is looking to get steady football under center. This is a franchise finish with ten plus losses and seven out of the last eight seasons they made the playoffs exactly three times since two thousand and pain when you look at jacksonville and the vaca they brought in nick foles from philadelphia obviously big time expectations. They're clearly when they brought in john d filipo as their offensive coordinator. You knew who they were going to target to be the dan under spot on i mean i think a lot of people <hes> you'll think some of this stuff is is like you know just great information in in sometimes it is but you can you can also connect dots and you know offensively after being optimistic as you alluded to the the bortles experiment is over that that's a positive nick foles clear upgrade. I don't even know if that's an experiment. If i would have submitted that any of my chemistry classes i would have gotten. I'm nick foles. I think he's a clear upgrade. He's a clear culture upgrade. You know you saw him. If you've done some reading like two days ago after a three hour practice he's out there running non fifty yards sprints and it's one hundred one degrees with humidity just kind of taking on that leadership role. I doubt he'll be as effective in jacksonville as he was in philadelphia but you hope can produce somewhere close to that level because you mentioned he. He reunites with john. De filippo and you know. I thought depot caught a raw deal in minnesota. They're kind of butted. Heads stylistically with mike zimmer who is is becoming quite archaic some people i think have reservations about falls and i get it. He failed as a starter in two thousand fifteen when he was outside side the eagles organization but that was with jeff fisher's ramps like jeff fisher would turn patrick mahomes in the charlie batch if he had an opportunity to do so i. I don't think that's that's an indictment of false. I really liked dede westbrook. I think he becomes falls best friend. He emerged last season. He recorded the ninth. Invest separation per route run. Nick foles loves to target the slot. I think a format can stay healthy. <hes> he has a chance to get back on track in for two reasons one one. There's really no better pass catching back on the roster which is really odd but if you look at the roster <hes> foreign it's the best pass catching going back so he might be able to have more targets in the past game and it's something that de filippo is familiar with doing because it comes from philadelphia if foles can that's kinda scary. That's kind of scary to think about and it was the same thing that you know you dig into your wait a second lender for and that's got to be their best pass catcher out of the backfield and just wrapping in your head i know he's improved that skill set but clearly he's not j. yelled at night debated holding that back for what looms in two weeks but potential there obviously <hes> <hes> you know if foles can keep the defense honest. I think that helps for net a little bit too is not gonna see as many eight-man boxes last year thirty six percent of the time for that took a hand off. He was running into an eight-man box. That was third most in the n._f._l. And then you also look last year jacksonville face a top ten schedule jill of defenses this season. It's projected to be bottom ten so you know i think you also look jacksonville. Had horrific luck on the offense the ball as well. They were the second motion offense second most injured offensive line. Jags also had the worst fumble lock in the entire n._f._l. What i think you need to monitor though and it seems to be deja vu all over again heading into the season left tackle. Cam robinson's knee isn't fully recovered yet. I know he was removed from the p._u._p. List list like i think this week went through walk-throughs that didn't happen until doug marrone nicely. Call them out so i don't know how healthiest john taylor. The rookie from florida's projected the starting right tackle. He banged up his knee and the ravens preseason game. I do like the lender norwell combination on the interior. That's that's real nice. I think the glaring questions ocean's come at tackle so when you look at jacksonville team that gave up two hundred total quarterback pressures last season foles isn't nearly as nimble as bortles so that's got that the health tackle is something to monitor. I do think though again we talk about this. All the time. Scheme playcalling can and really change pass protection and so we know the philly offense likes to get the ball out quicker that could negate some of the worries if they kind of implement the same type of offensive structure. Do you see the defense returning to form. I know if you look at their numbers. From two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen the jags saw their sack total debt from fifty five to thirty thirty seven takeaway count from thirty three to seventeen and they obviously couldn't create some of those short fields at their offense so desperately needed. I mean they're the only team to rank top five in both points per game allowed and yards per game each of the last two seasons but hey there's some new faces there. There's some familiar faces but it's not gonna be the executive. Stop you're spot on. I think think the hope is right that the vibe is a little different defensively this year and i as much as i love claes campbell. I was a little disappointed with him because i thought you know oh he they brought him into <unk> blue veteran presence and you would have hoped he could have like negated the like the divide that was in the locker room season. He's in a go-between. The offense and defense in that wasn't the case but for me. It's like despite this frustrated defense that hated quarterback jacksonville finished six defense sufficiency as you like it wasn't able to get to the quarterback as frequently as as two thousand seventeen but i think some of that was was just bad luck and it's why oh i think it's important to track pressure rate and not just sacree because jacksonville still had <hes> the third best pressure rate on quarterbacks thirty eight percent <hes> <hes> but but that dropped right so they only picked up thirty seven sacks instead of fifty five <hes> that's partly why the jaguars went from plus ten and turnover differential to minus twelve the run defense. I thought actually improved tremendously last year. When you look ahead the loss of talents calvin smith is a big one. I i know you had a down year last year but the linebacker position is really important when you play cover three like the jags. Do you look at how the league is trending right. It's vital to have a linebacker linebacker that uncovered space certainly mile- miles jack can do that a little bit but you know filling the void four talvin smith as well. That could be tough off. Jacksonville only allowed sixty four receptions tight end seventh best in the n._f._l. Seventy three receptions running backs ninth best in the n._f._l. You just hope without telvision smith with those numbers. Don't regress a little bit. I love the versatility of this defense. If there's obvious russia situations you can kick fillets campbell back inside where he played for arizona zona and then you have in goch way who's in a contract year. You got rookie. Josh allen both on the outside at the same time causing havoc. The schedule of opposing offenses really kicks up this year. It was just below average slate of opposing offenses facing two thousand eighteen. It's now projected top five schedule of offenses. Is this season so these guys just got by man right and i think if they believe in foles <hes> it's going to be a little bit different right. Jalen ramsey is mentally italy. Hopefully going to be a little bit more tuned in plugged in in behave himself a little bit better. You know those florida state guys you. They can't be trusted to behave when you need him to most. Let's not kid ourselves last but not least the a._f._c. see south the tennessee titans win total seven and a half over minus one twenty-five at bet online dot a._g. And i think when you look at the titans pain all the big questions nations are out of nashville and was asked yesterday on one of their main radio stations we know the starting quarterback is going to be going into this season but will it be the same fly in hawaiian hawaiian under center next year and what kind of the ceiling for this team offensively as they really bogged down last year with the floor who moved on to greener pastures. Yes dan you know you're hinting at it in. It's it's a massive year for marcus. Mariota has a lot to prove. Let's see if he can get help from arthur smith the new o._c. You see he's a bit of a mystery and i'm i'm stating that nicely. He's been with the titans since two thousand eleven kind of working his way up. The ranks from a quality control coach to an assistant tight ends coach. We need one of those around here. How do you think we could get a up at the board. Quality control coach possibly possibly <hes> kind of left to look into that. You know so i don't. I don't know what he is like. Vrubel claims he promoted mckee offensive continuity so marietta didn't have to go through yet another another system change. I get that would have been his fifth in five years but it's like you know like i. I don't know maybe i would have liked the guy that's a little more proven. Proven the raw stats for mariota. Don't look good. Obviously i think distorted by the fact that he was injured not one hundred percent a majority of the season matla floor. There was an abject disaster didn't put mary in good positions. Oddly though mariota is the most accurate behind the down in distance passer in the n._f._l. So he does show flashes. It's the consistency that really lacks the titans. Try to bring him more help. They draft a._j. Brown <hes> aw gives him another weapon and work with corey. Davis started to come on a little bit. You sign humphries in the slot. Delaney walker returns from injury. It's a nice little core of weapons. <hes> whether it was leflore last year being conservative with the scheme or the arm injury i think we also need to the titans. Offense opened up a little bit. More mariota had the fifth-lowest aggressive pass percentage in the n._f._l. When the titans did get into the red zone mariota wasn't very good completed less than fifty five percent of his passes just ten <hes> just inside the ten thirty seven percent is passes if you remember and i think we talked about this a little bit when they're in that playoff off game against ohio state the red zone passing issues. They were prom all the way back to a senior organ once space shrinks. He seems to struggle the little bit. That's got to improve. Tennessee doesn't catch a break with their schedule either. Last year the titans face the second toughest schedule defenses. It's still projected to be one of the toughest in in two thousand nineteen derrick henry still nursing the calf strain hasn't practiced since the first day of camp taylor lewan the all were left tackle suspended for the first four games the offense vince had great fumble agassi's and ago. That's probably going to progress a little bit so i'm not really sure what we're going to get out of. This titans offense d._r. You anymore. I share in certain of what we're going to get out of the titans on the defense in the n._f._l. Right i remember having these long discussions about that. Last season and people cross brought people crushed us people absolutely crushed us for it and we said the numbers. There's a lot of noise in the numbers. They're clearly not as good as their point per game in some of their superficial metrics would mean you're. You're spot on the defense. I think those hovering around the middle of the pack in some you know in some areas at the beginning of the season towards the towards the top but like rape was like receiving praise from the media knows i was just like man the oftens scheduler facing a so soft and ultimately like when the dust settled rebels defense was nineteenth nineteenth in overall efficiency that came against the sixth easiest schedule of offenses. You know you look across the board from rushing to passing to red zone to blocking the schedule of offense is the titans played was bottom ten in all those categories. Obviously i love the selection of jeffrey simmons to bolster the defensive line but he's not a factor. You're right away with the knee injury. They're claiming possibly the middle of november would be the earliest he can get on the field now. I think it's great value at that pick. He's got the potential to be the best defensive player in in this draft but in terms of helping this year. We'll see if that can happen. <hes> the titans were thirty in quarterback pressure eight twenty second ingested zachary. All they did was add cameron wake. He turns thirty eight in january. <hes> you know i look at this defense. They did a good job. I guess from the bill check mantra of limiting explosive plays keeping everything in front and they were top seven in both explosive run and pass defense as a whole will actually regression from from this unit this season again the schedule completely flips <hes> it's a schedule that features a top ten slate of offenses <hes> y- the as you look at the slate of quarterbacks. They're facing luck twice watson twice. <hes> you know super bowl m._v._p. Full twice you also have breeze mahomes cam cam rivers matt ryan and mayfield. I think variable has his hands full this season. It's an intriguing team for a number of reasons. I mean ed koch about the quarterback uncertainty defense that lived with us some slightly inflated numbers <hes> that i can ferry realistically scenario. This team went six and ten or nine in seven again like they seemingly do every year. No scenario anywhere in the middle would really surprise me when we look at the a._f._c. west though pain clearly there's a little bit of separation as far as the odds are concerned in the haves and the have nots kansas city is the favourite bed online dot a._g. Minus a dollar fifty five to be atop the division the chargers check in behind them at plus plus one seventy five and then you have to long shots in the mix the denver broncos at fourteen o one and the oakland raiders and eighteen to one that will square off on monday night football in week one if we take a look at denver and the outlook that they have on the season change in head coach there starting over at quarterback yet again them into the playoffs since is winning the super bowl with peyton manning back in two thousand fifteen and this kind of blew me away because i know this is a proud franchise but i don't think that highly of them they put together the first back to back losing seasons since nineteen seventy two is denver in your opinion headed in the right direction and if they found the perfect stopgap quarterback for the upcoming season with joe flacco denver's a team team. I think that could be significantly better than the record indicates so maybe some nice week-to-week value but it's it's tough to make noise and win games when you're the third best year on division and based on win totals denver faces the second toughest schedule in the entire n._f._l. What i'm being told is the vibe is just so much better aside from the the sanders sutton brawl that took place last week but if if you remember alf at alpha's the office man there's so much information we're gonna have so. I don't want to extend the broncos too much but apparently <hes> bulls was like called for a false start art and manual sanders got on 'em sutton didn't like it and sanders just attack the it was like an all out brawl besides that the vibe is is supposedly really good and if you remember like players hated vance joseph leaders on this team thought vance was an absolute cornball and that is a specific inaccurate describing wird von miller used to prevent ice. Nobody respected the guy and it was clear. Joseph was in over his head as as as a head coach so i think that's a positive offensively. They're trying to make improvements upfront. You know you signed john james away from the dolphins to play right tackle. You draft adult and reisner in the second round from k. State ronald leary is returning from an achilles injury. You know you don't know what that looks like so some question marks. There mcgovern is sliding over from guard to center. I know he's trying to get as much work as possible in camp in preseason the work on his snapping shopping skill position wise. You know you'd hope sutton hamilton in lindsay. All take that leap in your to emmanuel sanders came out this week so he's playing in week. One <hes> which is shocking for a guy that had an achilles injury at the average joe. It's about nine months recovered at that point because it happened in early <hes> december. I believe he also had surgery on his right ankle. Which he claims was the reason he tours left achilles. Now he's one hundred percent. That's a nice trio trio of wide receivers and then you pair them with no fan. I'm kind of avoiding talking about flacco because honestly like he and keenum or probably a wash despite being totally different quarterback. Stylistically flacco was the seventh worst quarterback completion percentage above expectation last season. He's an absolute statue bachu so the interior of that broncos a line that we have some question marks about <hes> has to keep joe upright flacco was horrific when he was flush out out of the pocket he's graded out the fourth worst quarterback outside of the pocket the last three seasons the e look on in obviously quarterbacks do regress when they're under pressure but flacco soy dramatic traumatic forty five point dip in passer rating when under pressure versus not you look at flack on you see this big six quarterback that has has a big arm in you immediately assume he's great deep ball passer. That's not the case. He's delivered adjusted completion percentage of thirty last season only ryan tannehill was worse of the qualifying quarterbacks on deep passes <hes> and then you look at the schedule of opposing defenses faced it goes from seventh easiest to seventh hardest list <hes> philip lindsay likely have a tougher time in the ground game as well the schedule of opposing run defenses it increases in toughness by about sixty five percent thought yeah that'll make things a little tougher but hey if you wanna take a joe flacco deep ball ability denver's home to where he probably completed the most important deep ball of visit tyres grew here plc's. He's playing at the planet elevation who knows maybe he can throw the ball hundred yards. I'll be that's a positive. We'll see what he can pull off and you mentioned questions on the offensive line for denver mike mon- check it talked about how big a loss for the steelers obviously a huge get for the denver. Broncos goes but the defensive line you know didn't live up to expectations especially against the run a season ago. I mean this was a team. That really struggled to get off the field. Allow guys like von miller and bradley chubb to tee off. I mean they did put together seven and a half percent zachary. They get vic fangio. We know what you did for the bears as their defensive coordinator. How do we see denver's defense grading out. Did you did well there so there's not a lot of need to spend time. I think obviously vic fangio's a brilliant defensive mine. He's inheriting a really really really good defense with with fantastic parts. I you know the broncos. Defense didn't regress nearly as much as i think people thought thought they did. They ended up finishing fifth defensive efficiency despite facing the seventh toughest schedule. I do think fangio can probably help denver improve on getting to the quarterback a little bit more. They're only twenty-first in pressure rate. If you do some reading on this side of the ball all the players are loving life everyone on the same page geyser back the bonding the top guys is brought into fangio immediately. It's all about the offense improving. If denver's gonna make poured they're going to have to because when you look at the other teams that they're going to have to outscore within the division one of them would be the high flying kansas chiefs where pain is not only the president of the patrick mahomes fan club. He's also a member and this is a franchise. It's put together consistent success. They've won ten plus games in four seasons and the numbers from a home. I know fantasy players and everybody else well aware five thousand nine hundred seventy yards passing fifty touchdown passes which puts them in a class with only brady and manning but paid man. He's the only other quarterback in n._f._l. History to put together a five thousand and fifty fifty season they led the league with thirty five plus points per game and over four hundred twenty yards per game and this stat pain just speaks to the level of consistency than andy reed's been able to achieve twenty five points in twenty. One straight games the longest streak in league history. Does this kansas city offense of juggernaut pick up right where they you know you would hope obviously obviously mahomes and read are are the dynamic duo. I'm excited to see you know what that combination has in store the season that challenge. I think it's a little bit tougher. Kansas city projects to face. It's the toughest schedule of defenses in the n._f._l. But you look last year it wasn't easy. It was a top ten schedule in you. See how they finish casey's offense overall was about forty thirty percent better in devi away than the second best ram so you know i think that's i don't know how much they can go down. I just think there's offenses so elite you'll look speaking strictly and i'm gonna make this apparent speaking strictly from a football perspective tyreek hill being available as massive <hes> you know he just opens up show much room right on average just for him it's over three yards of separation per route run and then what he does for the rest of the offense in the space that he provides for the other guys. It's massive miekel. Hardman was drafted to offset the potential henschel loss of of tyreek hill now. It's like a double dose of speed. He's a four three guy you add in sammy watkins in travis kelsey. It's a potent offense damian williams. He's gonna shoulder the load it's going to be the largest of his career never had more than fifty carries in an n._f._l. Season this off season. I know williams is training like a maniac. Did some stuff down here in miami. He's trying to put himself in better position. I know he's got a different eating regimen and so he's ready for the increased workload but already eddie. I hear he's dealing with a hamstring injury so that'll be interesting. I don't like carlos hyde so i think darwin thompson has a real shot to be a contributor this season and in the running back position is is really important in kansas city because of how read loves to use them right. He likes to throw to his backs. Especially on early. Downs chiefs running backs average roughly seven targets per game last season <hes> i think the offense is is really going to surprise some people how it's run by paddy mahomes he's going on podcasts and he's talking about like how he can't wait to get to mexico city this year in november to see if he can throw the ball hundred yards words in the air and warm ups and you have this idea that it's like all this big play offense and it's it's really not it's all about like down to down efficiency and that's the big thing mahomes actually only attempted deep passes on sixteen percent of his throws. You look nick mullins brock osweiler cody kessler those those were the only quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Here to have a lower aggressiveness rating than mahomes so i think even with the defensive schedule projected to be really tough. We're going to still see this chiefs offense at the top of the league and i i hate to say this because the schedule gets tougher so in the outperformed the metrics last year. I just have a tough time seen kansas city completely regress just because it's it's such a great head coach and it's such a great quarterback <hes>. I'm just really intrigued to see if they're going to get help from the defensive side of the ball boy you mentioned the defensive side of the ball and of course a lot of fresh rush faces. That'll be their new scheme. Gone are stalwarts justin houston d ford eric berry eric murray steven nelson the big trade of course they make during the off. I've seen they bring in frank clark from seattle. They pick up darren lee from the jets. Do you think the defense is headed in the right direction with steve spagnolo taking over for fired bob's up you know i don't minds spagnuola. We obviously know bob sought misfired. It was a tough move. Randy really didn't wanna do it but i think he knew it had to be done. You know you let up three third and longs in your defense disciplined enough to stay onsides. Those four plays prevented the chiefs from winning super bowl. All you had to do is make one of the four plays and they win the super liberal so i think it was time to let him go. Spagnolo obviously is coming in. He is a different scheme type guy so he brings any four the three defense so lots of the change on that side of the ball that you mentioned it may seen scary right when you think about the names loss but it wouldn't have been scheme fit guys simplified things once guys to play faster especially at linebacker. Chris jones is now at camp. Everyone knows i think he's like the most underrated defender in the n._f._l. Just a monster on the interior having him paired with frank clark and alex okafor and ogbeh. That's a nice little line. What i outlined twelve weeks go. I think still holds true. There's been this concerted effort by read and the defense and the cheese organization to get more speed on the defensive side of the ball to help and coverage so eric berry who was injured last year chief safeties allowed a one zero eight rating when being targeted that was fifth worse than the n._f._l. Incomes tyron matthew chiefs allowed a one fourteen rating when opposing quarterbacks targeted their linebackers fourth worst in the league so casey goes out lands a great cover linebacker and doron -ly it also appears like reggie latte. <unk> raglan has lost a significant amount of weight in his fully healthy. People are talking about how well moved around this year so if you put on the film from what i've seen especially in in the first preseason game all those things are true about reggie ragland as not going to go and be this elite linebacker but i think if he can improve. That's gonna help area of concern. The schedule of opposing offenses stays pretty neutral overall casey face the fourteenth tough schedule of offense as last year. It's about the same this year as i said the chiefs needed like one stop one thing to happen out of those four place and they would have made the super bowl and this was a defense that finished twenty fourth inefficiency overall if they get an improved to just below average this season and that's probably enough to get kansas city over the top so i i still like this team even though they feel like they're not being completely talked about in terms of competing for super bowl. It seemed like the browns team like the browns are getting more love than chiefs which is odd to me. I was i was gonna say. It almost feels like because of the way that a._f._c. championship unfolded at kansas city is a team not in the discussion when in reality i mean numbers wise <unk> hate to say it because it's hard for a favorite team price in my style fifty five to win. The division at the market actually may undervalue kansas city in the big picture. Maybe not necessarily week to week but but in the overall futures market in some of those other obviously i get it right. It's like incident extremely tough schedule in the names you lose on defense. You know you'll lose a d for a guy who had a tough time. Staying healthy san francisco is now witnessing that and you'll lose justin houston and it's a tough guy to lose but he's more of three or four guys not a four three guy so he wouldn't have been a great scheme fit there and i get it right. You know you're looking at a team that overachieved. I believe they're pie. Fagged <unk> said something to the effect of nine point nine wins and they won twelve twelve or you're looking for regression there but i really believe is a team that can still make a super bowl run. I really do well. A team that i think would love to have super bowl aspirations within division of course is the los angeles chargers their win total sits at ten flat at bet online a._g. And when you look at this chargers team return to the postseason for the first time since two thousand thirteen they still haven't won the division since two thousand nine and all the talk pain. All the time is about this being one of the league's most talented rosters the big story line of course the hold out of melvin gordon on the offensive side. You know when you look at philip rivers at this point in his career. He's accomplished an awful lot. What but still hasn't taken this team to where they wanna. Go buying you hit. This on the head will be like the national media here and the chargers preview is is quite simple. The team is loaded. I mean it's nuts right. I just think offensively there's a ton to like. There's weapons everywhere especially with the return of hunter henry hammond rivers. I have actually been working out together down here in florida this offseason so i think there's big things in store for hunter henry especially. If you look at who's left right you had like this big body guy and throw williams. He's gone gates finally moves on so henry's kind of that big body guy that rivers is gonna really like he's going to have massive production this year. If he remains healthy i think on paper the offensive line doesn't appear to be great again and they did allow a quarterback pressure rate that was eighth highest last season top the bottom you look there was like massive improvement from that offensive line. <hes> adjusted line yards jumped from twenty sixth in two thousand seventeen all the way to fifth last season so positive there you mentioned melvin gordon that situation figures itself out in honestly. It doesn't no big loss. I've i really believe that right like last year's first real real good season if you're a member prior to that everyone's talking about how underachieving underwhelming he was i. I like the combination the nation of ecuador in jackson. I think they'll fill in nicely. If you look in terms of rushing the football ecker delivered the same success rate is gordon in jackson. Awesome was even better last year in terms of catching the ball out of the backfield ecuador was better than gordon <hes>. I think another area that can improve <hes> is if philip rivers and ken whisenhunt in hunt get on the same page early in game so they aren't playing from behind and i think why that's massive is if you could build a handful of leads and the chargers <hes> can kind of not have rivers play every single down in you'll steal this this term from the n._b._a. Kind of manage his load. I think that'll be positive because we've seen some some breeze like effects towards the end of latte end of the season last few years that sentence for a man. That's got nine kids. It doesn't resonate at all and riversides. Let's beyond or you go. You're right. You're right. I i figured you gave me the giant. Call good call. I mean it was out there but i think a part of the reason like you mentioned for rivers to not be out there for every single snap and play with elite is because of what this defense brings and that's two elite russians on the defensive decide melvin ingram and joey bosa when they're both healthy. I mean this defense pain. I know they lose a few guys and they're not overly deep but there are superstars at every level and why give you a hard time about florida state and some of the ties you have to that program. We mentioned jalen ramsey. Derwin james appears to be an absolute stud if he's not already one race defense is loaded. Okay i to me. Gus bradley has like this treasure trove of talent on the side of the ball and you look in the chargers dealt the fifth most injuries last year on defense bosa missed nine games perriman mistake games. You get those guys back healthy. You add thomas davis from the panthers and free agency. Even at thirty six graded out a top twenty linebacker last season. I two picks on the defensive side of the ball jerry tillery necessarilly during james as you mentioned. I think he's already a top five safety fifty in this league only getting better. He's a perfect fit for how you know. Defenses and offenses rather are playing now so he can get out there and he can thump you in the box or or he can cover a tight end or wide receiver before all these additions and improvements los angeles finished eighth best in overall efficiency last year and they played in above average schedule of opposing offenses this year the schedule of offenses projects to be below average in candidate speaking. If you kind of remove the chiefs who you you play twice because they're in your own division. I think that's even distorting the projection of offenses that they're going to face the other fourteen games this season. It's not a great scheduling opposing offenses. I really liked this defense this year if they can stay healthy and it just seems like again. There's something in the water out there. It's going to go a long way jab at west coast softness again. Is that where you're going with this in a healthy. Something's going on there. I mean that's gotta usually be attributed at training staff right. I mean you have to start pointing the finger somewhere if you can't be it's it's something we will discuss with a certain team doctor zaveri. It's a very good point perfect segue to a guest who should be returning. You are so reluctant. There is is one last team that we have to talk about and everyone has been exposed to the oakland. Raiders released two episodes of hard knocks. You look at the raiders win total. It sits sits at six. You have to lay a dollar twenty to go under that particular number. Jon gruden enters his second season. This is a team schedule edgewise pain who the league did them absolutely no favors they start with back to back home dates in the division against denver and kansas city and don't return home after a game on september fifteenth until on november third. They'll play five straight games on the road. I guess you call the game against the bears in london a neutral so to speak with a bye week missed in their oguz. He's missed the playoffs in fifteen out of the last sixteen seasons. They've had a winning record. Just one time travel the most miles of any team in the league this season. I don't even know where you wanna go with the raiders so the floor one second. I was just finishing an email there no time for a snack. Do you wanna you know we're getting close to getting off and i think we've done great coverage here. We've covered these teams extensively. Let's wrap this up with the raiders tres i for me like they have a chance to be improved on the field right like i think it's pretty clear there's more talent on the roster right now than when the season ended last year i think there's some organization now within the organization like let grooten coach <hes> because he can still still do that a little bit. I think right schematically he's been pretty luke maye handle the scouting department the player selection because we know gruden cannot do that turned a great roster into a horrific one in tampa uh. He turned one of the youngest teams in the n._f._l. Into one of the oldest and one off season last year at the raiders like just coachman now the improvements the raiders make may not show in the standings because you know the raiders have one of the three toughest schedules in the n._f._l. Based on windows and both their offense and defense we project to face opposing teams <hes> that will rank both top seven and offensive and defensive efficiency and you mentioned this schedule that is something that i would would wish upon no team in the n._f._l. Oakland has to travel more than thirty two thousand miles this season the most in the league by far <hes> it's actually more than the bills giants and jets combined and by thirty percent like jon gruden has openly admitted publicly multiple the times that he hates traveling so that's going to be interesting you look oakland has six road games that all start at one p._m. Eastern right and if you look how they're spaced out there in sets of two so like week three and four are back to back one pm starts on the road week seven eight back to back road one pm games week twelve and thirteen thirteen back to back road one p._m. Game so <hes> you know despite more talent on the roster these are reasons why the window will open six and a half. We're now down to five point nine nine. If there's a slow start to the season to todd with oakland leaving town what will that fan support look like these games so it's something we're monitoring. If we're we're gonna have to tone down the the homefield advantage rating for some of these games. That's going to be something that you're gonna wanna monitor. Yeah i mean it's it's a team where there's so many questions more so than anything else and you have to wonder like you said about fan support and the oakland raiders have had a loyal fan base but but it's not exactly one that fills the building in the black hole. There's a reason that they have to tarp off the upper deck and a variety of other things that have held this so <music> this year. I know we probably didn't get to him and we should. What do you think there. I think it's a make or break year but can really see and you can see almost a little little bit of fracturing now with the way car relates to other players on the offense and i can tell you one thing antonio brown is the world's greatest front runner but if he's not getting the ball he has the potential to be one of the most divisive elements in the locker room and you hate to create parallels to what terrell owens did in philadelphia with don mcnabb but i can really see a scenario like that add playing out in oakland where you decide. Hey it's not gonna work with these guys. It's either cars team or browns. Yeah and you're heading today. That's true and i think you're gonna find out if he's the guy <hes> for me. It's like the combination of antonio brown. Entira williams gives you a better chance than having like an ageing jordy nelson seth roberts last year. Offensive line has to be better in pass protection. Dare car actually had the least amount of time to throw of any quarterback in the n._f._l. Some tough for me to say this but if you watch film derek carr needs to be a man is he's been a little shell shocked since the broken leg in the back injury. There's a lot of times where he's bailing out of throws. He won't take ahead is treating the ball like a hot potato. He needs to mentally get back to where he was at the beginning of his career in that regard but there's no doubt i think a lot of that falls on the horrific line coach tom cable to pile onto that oakland faces. A top five schedule of pass rushing defenses this season so the protection has to improve. I think hopefully within tony brown. You're going to see an offense that airs it out a little bit more derek carr never had more than twelve and a half percent of his passes in a season go deep. It's really a low rate and he's really great deep ball thrower. You look car are the third most accurate deep ball pass from the n._f._l. Last three seasons combined only wilson in burris have been better over that timeframe so open this offense up man and i. I think this is interesting because i believe gruden offensively still knows what he's doing right. I think he's got a clue in this may shock people to hear. There were four win team. Last season and oakland was still top twelve in both rushing and passing success rate so the offense has a chance. I just don't know about you know the rest of the things and how they're gonna unfold for oakland this year final thing on the raiders is car the starting quarterback when they play their first game here right across mandalay okay back. He's gotta be about a minus one favorite minus fifty favourite. I would think it would lead you to believe. I am very curious to see what happens with the oakland. There's optimism in vegas. But of course you have a number of fans when i say vegas that wanna see raiders. Raiders thrive not necessarily hot pick. It's it's probably too just for the the visual that you can take to an alabama guy right distorts some of that fan base to vegas and i think you know you're starting a fresh new organization effectively so i could see if there's opportunity to that that you're drafting him. If oakland's the first pick i don't know if they awfully interesting for the dolphins we're going to be premed two hours of gambling goodness here on the american football conference pain but before we close up shop of course one last thing to do as we do on all the preview pike gas we offer up at best bet. Do you see a division win. Total or future's really conscious. Here's years. I'm just i'm just verifying something really quick <hes> all right. Would i don't really love anyone in the a._f._c. We obviously have the colts to win the a division pending from the off season podcast. I don't love any of the remaining teams in the a._f._c. in terms of value i'm gonna i'm gonna just we're going to go off the rails here. Marina gave out an n._f._c. win total. I don't know if that's that's allowed that. This is why we need a quality. Listen it. It comes back to <hes> when you own things you can do. Everyone so that's that's the method we're going with here at the board. That's a very good. Let's go with the carolina panthers. <hes> let's go over on the carolina panthers. There's some seven and a half out there with the juice. It's more like seven point eight but i like going over seven and a half still the value add. It would just be a push so if you have eight. That's fine too but there's a lot of seven and a half still out there. <hes> uh yeah. Let's go with that when we got another one for next week. There is an n._f._c. win total. We like again for next week so we'll be back next thursday with the n._f._c. preview. We'll see what we can do to be able to make things stick around here. Want to thank all of you the loyal listeners for sticking around a full two hours pluses. We break down every single team in the a._f._c. a._f._c. You can follow on twitter at paine insider. You can follow me there at taught firm but most importantly follow the podcast app at the board pau for all our updates announcements and there will be plenty of them in the coming weeks as we finalize details on yet another campaign for the five k. football free role here up at the board the most prestigious hindi capping contest out there paying any final words of wisdom any tidbits nutrition advice workout agendas. Would you like to share. Let's get the hell out of here. I'm happy happy that you didn't use philip rivers in any weird type of analogies towards the end of your diatribe there with stickiness <hes> <hes> for pain insider. I am of course todd berman. 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The Chris and Joe Show: 2020 Draft prospects at all levels with Emory Hunt

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The Chris and Joe Show: 2020 Draft prospects at all levels with Emory Hunt

"This is Sean Ramos Firm. I'm the host of Ox Daily News. podcast today explained you know since late September. We've done probably close to a dozen shows on this impeachment inquiry from the sort of early rumors of a whistleblower complaint too Nancy Pelosi launching the formal impeachment inquiry to the whistleblower. Complaint coming out the so-called transcript coming out to the Republican counter narrative to the White House stone. We've done it. All all felt like it was leading up to this moment of love. Televised impeachment hearings and the event of that event was the testimony of Gordon Sunland and we wanted to make sure we've made an episode that properly showcased and explained the significance the historic significance of that testimony. And we did it and we want you to hear it. It's available in our feeds right now. Today explained episode is titled Impeachment TV. Mr Sunland goes to Washington. And it's a must-listen I wouldn't say so if it weren't go check it out and enjoy thanks you're listening to the Kristen Joe show presented by SP nation and big blue view. I'm Jodi joined by Chris Farm into continue our series of previewing and acknowledging in the NFL draft. We have yet another guest joining us to send. We have emery hunt who was a college football analyst in draft analyst for a number of different sources. And he's going to be taking some time to talk to us about some of the things that we didn't touch upon when we spoke to fend so lack in our previous episode on Tuesday. How're you doing today? I'm doing fine guys meal. Yeah we really appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule. We know we know how busy you are with all the different things that you do in the media so we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us about the NFL draft Kinda going right on into it. We we one of the things that we were we were wondering about. We wanted to take some more time to discuss because we know fans are definitely wondering about it is going in deep on this receiver class. Alas receiver is in need not a major pressing one. But there is a clear lack of playmakers at the receiver position for the giants Emory emory. How early do you think that they should approach taking one? You know that that's a good question. what I like that they have in place were great teacher at position anti-takeover who's a fantastic receivers tapping a best receivers coach in the NFL. So whomever they bring in. They're going to be able to get him up to speed right away. And so when you look at that as a I think they can wait a little bit before getting someone that you know to help them out. You know there's probably more pressing I need. Maybe on a defense side of all but you're right wide. Receiver is a huge area of concerns or the giants. Because you can't really depend on sterling shepard who who is fantastic but he has injury concerns and more importantly those concussions that you worry about you know. Golden State is is is a veteran but everywhere else there are some questions nations about receiving core. So it wouldn't surprise me to see them go. Maybe second round. They could legitimately look at a receiver unless a guy like jerry jewellery if he enters falls to them. That would be someone that you take or maybe a CD lamb bet someone. You can take those guys. I think would be ideal fit for New York because you have a quarterback Dan Jones who tends to hold football long and to help him get rid of football quickly. You WanNa get catching run guys and guys like Judaean lamp or in obviously some others but we initially to be. Jump Out of your quintessential catch and run guys do things after. Yet I'm right there with you emory. I thank. You can make an excellent argument for judy or lamb at the top of the draft if the giants decide to go there and we does have a history history of drafting skill position players highly. He drafted Kelvin. Kelvin Benjamin Devin funchess Christian. McCaffrey and SAQUON. Barkley Curtis Samuel. He is not afraid to go for skill position guys in the first or second round and to those two guys judy lamb. They definitely we stand out. I think you could also make the argument for guys at the second round Giants don't currently have a third round pick so it's either the second round or fourth round right now. It's very apparent that this draft class at the receiver position is super deep. There's a ton of guys that could spill into the third or fourth round that could be developed into contributors and good players. I it continues to swirl around that this might be one of the more talented wanted receiver classes that we've seen in the past five or so years emory. Are there any names that might come to mind Not so much in the first round but in that second or third round range that would be a nice fit. I mean if you look at the type of research that they tend to like Let's look at it. From the prism of Cody Latimer and Bennie. Any follow right these bigger receivers. That can definitely get doubt filled. I would look at Minnesota Wide Receiver Tyler Johnson. Being in that mole and he would it should be available in that second round area where they can have potentially him on board when they select take him so I like what he brings to the table. He's a big a guy that knows how to score football which is huge something that they definitely need so they give you a gives you a red zone threat Someone that can convert third downs. So Oh I think that player particular because he hits a mold in what they already have on the roster would be an ideal fit. Johnson is definitely an intriguing guy he should probably. It'll be there when they pick in the second round because the germs do like Dave cattleman definitely like bigger bodies pretty much everywhere. I'm kind of looking at guys. Like Colin Johnson out of Texas. ASEAN six six to twenty At least where. I'm seeing him listed as that definitely fits the big body mold. WHO's kind of the opposite of what the giants have in Sterling Rolling Shepherd and Golden Tate and to a certain extent dairy sleet in and then also? I'm a fan of Brian Edwards South Carolina. I loved Deebo. Samuel coming out. Last cheer and Edwards is a great complement to that kind of receiver. He has the ability to win contested catches but he also has the ability to get get himself open and again just a bigger by guy who can kind of bullying defensive backs. At the line of scrimmage I think another player and we're we've been all saying saying the same in thinking the same thing here is that Dave gettleman really likes selecting bigger receivers. He's had a tendency of drafting guys. Like that Kelvin Benjamin Endeavors Devin funchess or the two people that really come to mind But another kind of guy that fits that mold that will probably be in that third or fourth second round range would be chased Klay Pool from Notre Dame six foot four two hundred and twenty pounds or so. He's pretty fast. He's athletic overall. Well I think he does fit the criteria and he also might have a bit of a rise in his traff stock when the process is all said and done so another position group if it has shown a lot of weakness because they have some older players like Antoine Buffet at it is the safety position and also overall issues with the secondary. Do you think that they should make an investment in adding an additional piece to the secondary and the draft. That's that is definitely an area of concern concern especially when you factor in the youth around those guys so you bring in three corners Dispatched Rapper Balentine on love and and Baker. And I think they envisioned love being more of a safety. So maybe that's the transition. They wanted to get him up. Speed this kicker where he can play a lot but that hasn't been the case as the transition has been a little bit tougher him Because he'd never play safety always played predominantly in the slot on. So they're trying to find ways to get him some you know. Get them acclimated But I do think that opens the door outside for Balentine step in one starter. Were Baker being the other star and he loves Brian Haley. Maybe be that slot guy a longer than in up this past season and love can be that free safety so if they WANNA protect themselves by getting another guy back every seat the I think they probably will go more veteran than rookie. But you know if you look at the first round. Doping is a guy that could be mixed at that position you know we have. Some brains has some athleticism But I think for them going Veteran at that position will probably be where they go. Because you don't have too many guys on the back end especially one. Eddie since Leah quarterback position at Petra free eight yet the giants do seem into really want a safety of free safety. Who has that cornerback? SKILLSET They originally wanted Dominique Rodgers. Cromartie to transition into free safety also take a pay cut which objected to in. He was then cut. Tried the Curtis Riley experiment. That didn't didn't work out so well. They're trying to transition love to free safety. I sometimes wonder Brent. Haley might not be a good candidate. Play safety because was he is great going downhill especially for a corner. You never see him. Make a business decision or anything like that. Great Tackler gray coming downhill but that seems to be a skill set. They want at the position but they do also need a free safety. Who is a good functional free safety safety definitely at the top of the class? I I don't know that there's really any kind of any kind of dispute about that. There are are you. A few others mckinney from Alabama stands out Ashton Davis at California's kind of interesting guy. I'm kind of the air with emory. I'm not sure how much the giants have invested in Youth Movement at the secondary. Can they continue to do so yet. They do need at least some establish skies there. Who really know what they're doing and have done it at the? NFL level really looks like the best situation for them is to avoid drafting additional younger pieces early. In the secondary because of how much draft capital they spent last season and also if you include trading forge real peppers. The amount of moves was that they made to add to the secondary. I think that they're going to at least spend some time and see how it's going to develop before they make that decision to either move on from people or add had some additional pieces so up next we're going to discuss some of the lesser known guys that you might not be hearing about or be seeing as often in the primetime college coach Football Games but before we do that. We're going to take a very brief commercial break. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk Irk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full. Cast your avengers of college. Football podcast says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean. Is this already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot ascott fights announcers fleeing the early. And unfashionable. 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If this podcast are probably aware when in the opportunity arises we like to take a look at some aspects of the game that generally get as much don't get as much talk hawk In the media at large in particular we tend to go on special teams rant mostly because as long snapper. Joe is a special team specialist. If we happen to have with US emory hunt. Who does a lot of work looking at football at all levels and that includes a lot of Lesser Nurlan players? Guys is who don't get that kind of national buzz until maybe right before the draft. So now I just WANNA turn Jaren emory loose and let talk about guys who are maybe flying a little bit below the radar guys at the F. C. S. level. And maybe who could or should interest the Germans on the on the third day of the draft. Well I mean I know I know you play for Rhode Island's there's two out there the rams first of all Donald Trump is one of eight were interview. WHO's worked or he's being guy And I'm glad he had the success last year obviously guys struggled a little bit pissing them. But last year our happy her breakthrough in have `success with Rams but a lot of Morgan State Games. And I've always said this on every broadcasted I've been on for their games that they had the best linebacking core in in all their linebackers are built the same way the and look at the giants team. They definitely help inside back in my opinion and that's been a sore spot for them so they have guys that fit the mold of this new as linebacking core walkabout amick borough of Morgan State six to twenty five in talking about Rico Kennedy. WHO's one of the more polished guys at edition? Six to two thirty five. You also talk about Malachi Washington. Another guy is probably more along the lines of Tau Epa Pass rusher type but go some underrated linebackers. But if you're looking at receiver stand with Morgan State. Manashian Bailey has been a guy that has started to garner some some attention tension later on head back to back big games against James Madison also army that put the NFL on radar. They've been a ton of scouts hitting out the Baltimore to check him amount. He's the guy that plays all special teams also has a background in in Returning kicks he blocks punts as well in has been a touchdown maker in in the passing game and I think can play all receiver spots so those are some of the guys and that more team. But if you're looking at let's say an underrated You know under talked about player That could be in play for the giants. Let's say what they need a safety or someone like that or someone they can play Multiple spots how legit area snead. I know he's not a FCS player but he plays at La Tech. He's on the senior senior bowl. Watch lists but having watched him play last weekend at Marshall He's a free safety now but he he's a former corner. He's in his first here as a free safety. A plays that position really well so not only does he gives you diop. He gives you the opportunity to put out on a perimeter matchup one but he is is a technically a free safety so you talked about it earlier looking for a guy that you know please. The safety position like a corner which can be tricky because corners tend to fight on everything and you need to have a little bit of patients back there at free. Safety snead is one that could be an interesting target for the giants later on draft. So I think Another player that you you touched on a ton of guys but somebody. That's really starting to increase in notoriety. And when when we say some of the lesser known players I I guarantee by the time of the the. NFL season is over with. He will be very well known. And that's Kyle Duggar from Lindwall Rhine and he is really seeing a huge increase in his draft stock because of the rare Physical attributes that he has. He's six one to twenty extremely St Louis Fast. He's playing at a division two school but he fits the that need the. You'll have a in a safety that can play multiple positions if if you want to use them. I'm in a nickel or a dime package you can. Because he is that athletic and going along with a essentially filling along with the the Safety Discussion Jeremy Chin from southern Illinois Illinois another player. That's big and Rangy and quick. Who six to about two fifteen right now long bodied safety? You don't really see a lot of size. He's from safeties like that. Which is why a lot of talent evaluators consider him to be you know so useful and unique that they can use him in multiple situations because of his size but going in line with two people that I kind of have to talk about because of my connection with them is Erin Karen Parker and and Kyle Murphy from Rhode Island? You know this isn't me trying to Gas Up and provide a little bit of Of a nudge college in their direction. But they're seeing a huge increase in their draft stock. It continues to rise. And I'm sure you can attest to that. Emory Aaron Parker basically went from an undrafted undrafted guy. That didn't have a lot of attention around him to being on a draftable position in just recently Kyle Murphy who is in interior offense offensive lineman who's played every single position along the offensive line in his time at Rhode Island recently just accepted a shrine. Bowl invite so. That's that's really important. There's a lot of talk of him. If he has a really good shrine bowl week he could potentially get invited to the senior bowl if he doesn't end up getting outright invited to it. So somebody you like Murphy. Murphy is very key to keep an eye on because he is a depth developmental guy that can play multiple positions along the offensive offensive line. If you need them to come in and play center he can if you need him to play guard you can't and then even in a pinch he can also play offense of tackle. Yeah and you look at South Carolina say you too. I know Alex Taylor as the tackle has gone to the senior bowl of but his team. Mate you know has been has been outstanding and has call mckeever Uber now. mckeever is an interesting case because he was upfront defensively last year a lot and were disruptive this year he's playing a little bit both sometimes he'll play on the off side I sometimes. He'll play on a defense so they're trying to figure out if he's going to be you know Japan Hargreave or shock coward. You know as far as like being on what he's going to be a pro D.. Tackle or be appro offensive lineman but South Carolina. See Given props a buddy pupil what he has done with their program And you play in a CA Va.. I mean you you talk about a Robinson out there. James Madison the corner Got Their final football. You also talk about fiercer out there at a teamster. Dan Daniel Jones Out there at Richmond to bigger safety slash corner types of six four and six three respectively. That can get out there matchup but what are also very good in the run game so bears some talent at the F.. Cfo I mean to be completely honest. I'll be on the broadcast for The FCS National Bowl FC. He has low end also national bowl this December in down in Daytona beach. You'll get a good look at some more. FCS Town in addition to what. I'll see at the College Granada showcase case and also the trump bobble this January. So it's it's always fun this time of year as I'm making my broadcasting rounds and in ill compiling in my list of guys to start to dive into late December throughout January and February before formerly migrates. It's always good to see guys at That you see during the season starts to get on a list of of these You know pro evaluated in Become the talk of the the national snow landscape is always good to see. Yeah definitely to me. One of the best parts of the draft and draft. Prep is not so much looking at the top guys evaluating evaluating chase young. As easy guys of Freak. I am still not entirely sure. He is human but when you get down to the three guys. The guys who are playing at the the F. C. S. level guys not many people who have heard of but you get a chance to watch him. You're able to dig up some tape in. Wow they're actually really good these these are NFL players for me. Finding those guys is one of the best parts of all of this and were things that has really interested me. Just I stepping away from the draft in particular is how many of these jobs term long bodied safeties are starting to crop op. I think we talked about how the giants are looking for. Free safety with a cornerback skill. Set I think the NFL in general is starting to look four maybe dies blur the lines between strong safety weakside linebacker just all to try to counter the spread light concepts that are bubbling up from the college ranks. Yeah I think we look at the high school level. This is why you see what you see of the FCS level you you see guys coming out of high school than maybe tall skinny. Why receivers right But not as fast as the power or five b one guys so though guys end up transitioning into your tight ends and the girl into their bodies fill out their friends to become these athletic flex tidiness by giants have on roster in Isaiah. See Right you know and so you look at the corners. Maybe he's corners are a step. Slow guy has good instincts Decent rain would be can't run with these power. Five d one wide receivers so it moved with safety he goes to neff. CS program develops US and plays for the same coach for four years getting the same message for forty five years from the same coaching staff allowed to grow his body nutrition strengthening agenda the program develops into a player. You know and you see that a lot to be honest when I was in college my freshman year our freshman freshman class I Taylor and Charles two-minute and so I came in as a running back and was a tremendous trying to back to by the way we aren't until me was receiver. They moved him over to the cornerback. This and he slowly starts to Bella until lockdown corn to wear his sophomore season. They stop throwing his weight then. We had to put him back at safety so he can get around the football and he plays in that realm as well as a junior. So I think we look at how guys are going into into college and how they're developing Y. You starting to see this uptake in in type of player. You're starting to see a lot of cases this is for these players. You pointed out some of them come in a bit under sized and they're just need some more time to develop in the end up at these smaller schools even if it's not the FCC some of them might end up in the MAC and conference USA if they have a little bit more talent than those FCS guys but once they develop and they really hit that peak they start to dominate. And then eventually we'll see Rises and draft stock as as big as we saw with Titus Howard last year from Alabama state or comparative Darius Leonard who came from South Carolina State. So there's talent to be had in these smaller schools which was very important in us acknowledging in in digging up some of these lesser known. Names that eventually could develop into some seriously talented guys in the NFL. Yeah and the trip part is you see guys No let's say like off net. I forgot the kid's name. But he played at e pleaded grambling. He was a guy that came in as a defensive in and a move him over to receiver he became. You know a really good receiver and had a cup of coffee in some camps in now you know. He's in Canada. Same thing happened. Menasheh barely barely keen. He played basketball all through high school in his senior. In your play. Football came into Morgan state as a linebacker and now you know an NFL prospect as a wide receiver. So it happens man so as is he can tell those folks. There are a lot of guys that you might not be fully aware of now by the time the draft process is all said and done or even when it begins. You'll start to hear. Are these names more and more frequently from US and from other potential guests that we continue to have on. During that offseason process they queued emory for for taking the time to talk to us and giving his insight on some of these. FCS prospects and some of the lesser known guys. But that's going to be it from us. 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[041] Experience the free agency hangover with Ralph and Molly

Buccaneers Observer

26:32 min | 2 years ago

[041] Experience the free agency hangover with Ralph and Molly

"Welcome to the buccaneers observer podcast as raw Phillips says Molly bay today's March twelve seven fifteen pm. I wanted to mention that. We do not have any fact checks or follow ups from last episode everything we said last week was right. What can you believe it? I'll never happening again playing the lottery, you know, what it was last episode. You don't say anything. You can't be wrong. Truth has been spoken. Those are lies words. I want to tell you the story I told you before. But there was this guy knew I knew him for about two years. He was on the same committee board, Amazon he was the treasurer. And now when I look back on this it really freaks me out that we had him as treasurer. But I thought he was one of the smartest people ever knew. Because he he rarely talked. And when he did talk his stuff made sense. I mean, this guy hardly ever talk. And then when he talked it was be short brief, and it made sense. Anyhow, I started going out with him hanging out with him and come to find out the guy was dumb as a rock and he admitted to it. And he had said that his father had told him when he was younger, son, you're stupid. So here's what you have to do. Don't talk in. When you do say, something make sure you know what you're saying. So basically think about what you're gonna say for a long time. And when you say keep it short and sweet. And that probably is smart people in jail, it should it should apply. Unfortunately, it's smart people like to run their mouths too much. What's the whole saying, it's better to be quiet and thought smart and open your mouth and be proven role? So crap like that there's a quote about that somewhere. I know I just butchered it. In fact, tech next. I'm one of those people that need to keep more motion more, maybe. Bird's. Feather hashtag me to we're almost at the end of the team Breen phased s'mores big day to put it all in stone. Yeah. All the contracts will be signed all that they're still putting that can be done after that. But tomorrow at four PM is win players can actually signed contracts. So we're we got so far. We've got Sean Jackson has gone. He has gone to the eagles for two thousand nine hundred and sixth round pick. We get from the eagles. And they get our seventh round pick in twenty twenty. So we cleared up that cap space ten million let's suspect in but never confirmed. A lot of the fans are happy about that. We'll see how that turns out. I mean, I'm kind of indifferent. Going their way. Like, I get I didn't like the effort. He put on the field last season. The in the last season. I don't know what the reason was or the lots of stuff floating out there. I don't know how much of it's true. But there's one thing that you can definitively say, and that's he did not put it all on the field for the buccaneers last season. There was quite a few times where he looked like he did not even try to catch the ball. Couple times. The ball could have been caught feuded just stuck his arm down. What even do that? Right. There was tension between him and Winston adult. No. But I would have to say they were correct just on how he acted when Fitzpatrick with the ball. He would throw it perfectly to him and the Shaun Jackson would adjust as route to get up under the ball. He would not do that at all with Winston. And I don't know if it's because Winston throws more of a channel pass. It doesn't have as much arc to it. As Fitzpatrick because I think Sean Jackson really likes that big arc. So he can get up onto the ball. And have it land right in a floater? Right. Yes. But Wisden throws it with not as much arc. So it's a little harder to catch. I disappear city. So I just wanna be clear because we've talked a lot about the whole Sean Jackson thing in the media. Giving him a hard time. I don't doubt that disown Jackson can be an asshole. I mean, he probably can that's probably like the media doesn't like him. I just don't care. I care about Hong plays on the field to knock him for personality traits that you don't like I just don't care. I care about how he plays on the field. The locker room stuff is interesting. And it means something. But it kind of bothered me that we didn't get the locker room information until a year after it happened. Apparently the Sean Jackson. This is the reports from Rick Stroud had some issues in the locker room and kicking stuff over not showing up to meetings sleep in their practice through practice all in two thousand seventeen and we didn't find out about this until random number December two thousand eighteen right? So it just it wasn't the report wasn't timely. If we known about it a year ago. What would it changed? You know? I mean, why hold onto it for that long? Yeah. It seemed like they held onto it until they wanted to run him out of town. That's the impression. The media started bombarded with all of this stuff about the Sean Jackson. I wonder if that's kind of a scapegoat situation where the teams bad they're playing that. And everyone just wants to be mad at somebody throw him under the bus. Yeah. I mean, maybe I mean how much should we not get about that players getting Pissy or sleep during practices showing up? You know, probably happens quite often. We don't hear about it right team deals with an internally rather than Aaron that dirty laundry media. The media doesn't let us know if the team doesn't want to let us know. I don't know. I don't understand why didn't formation didn't come out for a whole year. Yeah. Gone Alexander's gone. He signed with the forty Niners. You know, or boy, John Lynch county. How do you feel about online? You know? I would rather kept him than Donaldson is about that. I just don't have that. He's played for it either. Like, I don't think he's bad. He's not he's not like Donald Smith. He's not essays a little above average. He does try to very fast. He's really fast. But he misses a lot. He does miss a lot of tackles eat launch himself quite a bit. He would take. Wrong hole to to make the play. It took a lot of chances. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But a lot of times it just seemed like it didn't work out. Yeah. Well, our whole tax. We gotta remember ever since he's been here. He's been under Mike Smith and the third tackling just atrocious and Mike Smith did not teach these guys he told them this this weird solid. And from what I can tell where they they launch guys and they launch at their waist and a lot of times they try to bring them down by aren't tackling. It just we just had Bantac technique cross the board saying he wasn't developed. Well, we'll see. Yeah. We'll say for tonight. So one thing John Lynch does not put up with bad tattling? I can say that. How much does he really going to have an input? Is he going to have on that, though don't know, but he couch, Richie Richardson. No, it's not so kind of seeing Hannah's that don't think now it's probably five years ago, and I'm gonna eat super embarrassed. When I look this up for once I was not talking on my ass, and it is Kyle Shanahan gummy. Yeah. So Kwan's contract. What were the numbers? We'll do know is that office guaranteed money is in the first year. He's getting a four point two five million guaranteed money. No, guaranteed money after that is base is one point seven five million in two thousand nineteen with an eight point five million roster bonus and a four million dollar signing. Bonus roster bonus counts towards the cab and the signing bonus might also count towards the count. Another Asser Venice, definitely does what we're putting Smith thirteen point five million and Kwan got fourteen point two five million. So basically we lost Alexander for Donaldson. It gets worse. Adam Humphries is go wait. I'm not done talking about Guan. He's making fifty four million tonight contract fourteen to five is guaranteed. Okay. That's okay. And it's four years. So if he doesn't perform in the first year, they can cut him releasing. It's funny that which are smoking forty Niners. You know with his injury. Right. It's funny that I don't know who was someone on Twitter. My Garoppolo I think or Garoppolo. Somebody. Was had tweeted that Kwan tone of his teammates goodbye, like ten sit on that morning and said that he wasn't going to be on the team anymore and private private messaging private group. Yeah. And quantum tobacco him onto say. Oh, that's not true. This was before we had even learned of the signing. That's not he didn't say that's not true between a back who told you that. He's trying to figure out who the rather. Yeah. So I was thinking about this whole signing and quantum particular. Because everybody said, you know, he's the heart of our defense. And I thought about I don't know if it's just in the last few years, or I've just been paying attention this free agency more than usual, but the players are getting there, and they're very open with each other about. Yeah. You get yours. That's fine. It's a business. You know, they have that whole. And it's just it's a business. You'll leave your friends you go to another team is not a big deal. Like, nobody cares. There's not that like come Ron arena. Stay together. There's no real sacrifice for the team that you're on except for. For the patriots. I think is the exception like well, and that might be a little outdated too. Because you know, Tom Brady years ago took a pay cut to stay with the you know to help the team with their caps situation. You just don't get that. And so I wondered we all kind of new quantum was going to get paid and thought about what if he decided to stay with the bucks because he had bought him. What kind of message would that show? That would have been also. Let's go I'm gonna forego millions of dollars. So that I can make this a winning team. You would love to have that on your team. It sounds and don't see it anymore another. It's all of them into businesses. This whole economy between the players and management slash ownership has turned into an us versus them. And there's no loyalty anymore to players go from team to team they bounce around all over the place. There's a saying that when you're a fan you're rooting for the name on the front of the jersey not on the back of the jersey. I'm not a big believer in that. I believe in you root for the team, which includes all the players, the coaches the GM ownership. I don't like to talk bad about anybody on the team. I don't like to talk about firing anybody on the team, you know, not see bad play like call it out make them accountable and give them the play better but anymore. It just I think it's between fantasy football free agency. Those have just ruined loyalty. Everybody want everybody plays fantasy football. And they think that the NFL is like that. Oh, if I get this tight end who had these stats boogeyman to my team this year. I'm going to have an awesome team. But it's like the perfect example is when we had Sean L and we had a terrible secondary. They spent all this money onto robbery events. The best cornerback available. Maybe the greatest of all time, probably not. But draft time Shawn golden we trade it for him. Right. I think we got him in a trade show such right? And so know, we sure it up at the second puddle lot into it. And we're. Yeah. The no fly zone and all that stuff. Right. And then it would just stack it up fell. It's not always just a plug and play. No never worked. I don't understand the mentality. It's it's been football is what caused that people. Just look at numbers and staff to go. This guy scored there's many touchdowns or yards. Whatever put them over here. He's going to help him score that many touchdowns and it never works ever. Yeah. We ever learn. I don't know. It just it just makes too much sense. Do merrily. Yeah. You think oh, this guy does great. So therefore, we get him on our team, and he's just going to continue doing great. But now, there's so many factors involved as the scheme. There's the coaching. There's locker room, the weather weather weather is a huge thing. You know, the tape is hot. Well, this John Jackson talked about that to come in from Philly. And then Washington he had had in the injury and wanna say in a C L. But I remember an interview when he was coming down in Tampa. I think it might have been Warren Sapp asked him about the knee. If it was going to be better in he said, yeah. Because he wasn't in the cold anymore. Makes a lot of sense. I wish the hot weather would keep a lot of our players from getting hurt. Yeah. But then the heat also that's kind of a double edged sword like Warren Sapp talked about you don't draft fat linemen and Tampa because it's too hot. Viva pick that line in Tampa. You didn't start coming onto the season. So cool down. Nice eighty-five degrees out after one hundred and three for Humphries gone. Went to the titans got a four year thirty six million dollars contract. Nine hundred million guaranteed twelve million fully at signing ten million which and signing bonus seven million guaranteed for injury, which you know. That's that's a I wouldn't know about injuries. I put that out there and got a little bit of crap dumped on me for that people saying, you don't know the players get paid for win their injured. Well, he's got seventy dollars guaranteed for injury. So explain that to me, and it becomes fully guaranteed. The fifth day of free agency twenty twenty they do that a lot of times when I was researching are free agent or are cap situation and our free sometimes by specific date a certain amount of money. We'll be guaranteed. So I've seen that before. I'll tell you what this line. I woke up this morning. Feeling of free agency hangover. It was weird. It was weird. Yeah. A little bit like long groggy. Not quite there. We lost. We lost three stores. This big players isn't harming the most. Yeah. Twenty million dollars the first two years. So I'm glad it's the titan of all places. I'm like, okay. That softens the blow a little bit. We don't have to play against him. We play the right? Not regularly sedation. Yeah, we play the forty Niners to this year. So we're gonna be playing against while. We're going to be playing against Humphries wants this year. Yeah. It's interesting hofers is going from James Winston to Marcus mariota. Right. So that really hasn't had a whole lot of wide receivers. They're so it'd be interesting to see how he Humphries mariota's. See they mentioned pool of his numbers. A little bit fat one hurt back. They're just hoped. I mean, we didn't even keep one of them. I think so we're still coming. Yeah. Well, Bryan anger was just like, oh, that's a tough one. You know, he was getting three million. He was due this year. And we let him go and picked up the forty Niners punter that where he came from rarely Pinon. Yes, we're trained players with the forty Niners in Bradley Pinon got a four year deal for year deal last year, he earned seven hundred five thousand so we might have saved about two two and a half million getting anger and opinions got about the same. Punt average as Ryan I think he's a yard and a half two yards less than anger, but I'm really liked Bryan anger, especially in two thousand sixteen. He was just killing it. But then we got rid of our a lot of our special teams dies. So the big tacklers and he fell off a little bit. But it still wasn't bad. I can't remember a single time when he got out on the field. And I went oh gosh. Here we go. You know, it was always like, yeah. So he's going to get us. Could you already distracted by our dismal kicker situation? Well, the the new Underwood got Bradley painting. He handles kickoff duties for San Francisco. So he might do. That here and leave car Santos if we keep him and don't get Matt Bryant car Saint can just focus on kicking field goals and extra point. Why would you get rid of a three million dollar punter? And then sign a three million dollar kicker. Right like Bryant, Matt Ryan. That's when he was making an Atlanta. Well, I guess kickers are more valuable score points. Other players are pretty valuable to talk and field position here. And especially they've been taught Brazilians has been talking about special team. Yeah, he's big on a special teams. He's want special teams to start popping. Although I'm not a big fan of bringing Bryant back. We know we talked about this on the podcast. I don't like bringing ex players back. I met right left on bad terms. I don't think he's coming back. It's just it doesn't make sense. He's old. Face the he's been dealing with injuries. He costs too much it just I don't see it happening. Interesting. I don't know just about everyone every free agent signing than I thought we were gonna get has fallen through a tire Matthew he's gone to the chiefs Honey badger. He got three year forty two million dollar contract. John Brown went to the bills three years twenty seven million dollars. And they're both what I was talking about like, they're they're jumping from team to team ever. It's all about money. So reminds me of Brent Grimes and his podcast when they were talking about all of ownership. It's all about money, and they're standing all that. And they break guards turn right around and said, well, they weren't paying me enough to cover them into. He's all about the money. They're all about the money now, which you know, grant it. That's okay. But not when it's all about the money go to the forty Niners. They suck. Yeah. It's going to be a few years before they're on their feet. Nextel rebellion. Right. There's spent the first four years of his career on rebuilding. And then he's going to a team. That's rebuilding. Right. It John Brown. Go into the bills. They suck have for years. All these teams, the only one the only one that has a lot of cap room, which I'm really surprised they haven't been pulling in a lot of people. It's the cult's ones that are that don't suck. I mean, they're not that great. But the rest of them are just horrible. I mean, look at the raiders. They've run out of money. They have no more cash. Got that. They got plenty of cap space level. They just don't have any money. Right. So we haven't talked about this on the podcast, but they signed Trump Brown from the patriots huge here. Too much like seventeen million two years. Like, the people are saying see what a good deal got on. Donovan Smith off Tony we could assigned. I'm just trying to get to again. We haven't talked about side went to she said that just wait for me. Hey, we got another side today. We resigned our backup quarterback Ryan Griffin the perennial backup. You got a two year deal. We're not sure what the money's like yet. He's earned four million in his career. But he's been a backup for six years four or five with us. It's since two thousand fifteen so this'll be a spit year with us what the saints for two thousand and thirteen two thousand fourteen but he's only been active for eleven games in that timespan six years and only one of those games with New Orleans. He's never thrown a pass or taking a snap in an NFL game other than in preseason. That's frightening. It is very scary. I mean, James west goes out, which you know, chances are he's going to get hurt. They year. He's always gotten hurt. Dafur? A couple of games veteran put in there. We're gonna have knock-kneed Ryan. I mean, he's a veteran. A veteran. Ran the bench bench warmer. I don't know anything about him. I mean, he's looked okay in preseason. But he's always been playing against third string defensive. So here's the thing with Bruce Arians coaching style. He's getting reps in practice all the time. So true. So that means Fitzpatrick's gone, which style is all but going to happen. They're all talking about James wisdom look over shoulder, which you know, I'm like. Competition. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah. Actually, we did sign a linebacker slash strong safety today day owned Buchanan, he was signed by the book, and here's for a one year deal. Don't have much details on that signing yet. He's been with the cardinal since two thousand fourteen Bruce Arians and the GM their Stein. They drafted him. He was a the first pick in the two thousand fourteen draft with Arizona and the twenty seven th pick overall. Yes. But don't get excited about that. Because stat wise got done anything just talked about stance. She got me. Fantasy football team. Pro-football spoke is has ranked eighty. Stop right now. Ahead. Oh, you're getting me. Good today. Eight out of ninety six linebackers with forty five point three overall grade in two thousand eighteen coming from football, focus that doesn't mean Diddley, but let me break for it. He's played in seventy games. Started in fifty six of those games. He's only got two interception. I got one touchdown that happened in two thousand fifteen on one of those two interceptions. He's got twelve past offenses seven forced fumbles five humble recovery's seven Saxo. That's pretty interesting four hundred and four combined tackles three hundred eleven solo tackles twenty seven tackles for losses fourteen quarterback kit in two thousand fourteen he was on the NFL rookie team and two thousand fifteen week fifteen. He was voted the NFC defensive player of the week. However, he was placed on injured reserve December thirteenth two thousand sixteen. And he missed the first three games of two thousand seventeen with injury. And he missed the first two games in two thousand eighteen with injury. But as I said, he's played both safety and linebacker. I do believe the bucks plan on playing at linebacker though. So the stats they don't jump out on the page at you. And I've watched plenty of Arizona games. I don't ever recall hearing. This guy's name. Maybe we're planning on draft on linebacker. Devon white has been projected to go to us at number five LSU linebacker. So we'll see. Well, it makes sense. Because a lot of our depth at linebacker is up for free agency. Darius Taylor Cameron. Lynch Beckwith were uncertain about. And we lost Kwan. We're pretty weak outline point. How do we go from heaven one of the strongest linebacker cores two years ago to this position where we're just linebacker deficit last year, we were hurting because everybody getting back with gone her long-gone hurt we were scrambling for love. That's why you never know. You never know you could think you're strong at one point at one position in midseason. You're scrambling to find players feel that vacancy when Alex like are wide receiver core. I like to our studs are gone, right? Yeah. Last year. I mean, we had cut more days. Now, we've just got Godwin Gavin's. Bye bye Wilson. So I wouldn't be shocked if we dropped a receiver. Interesting interesting. So tomorrow is the first thing that they can start inky and deals the chargers. Nine five players, man. Philip rivers. Melvin Gordon blue popping them all well, you had two of them on your fantasy to running back championship. I don't remember the backup. Pro pull up the roster because I won't know if you're right or not Antonio gates. All right. You got three big dogs. Right. He's one of their receiver one of them came from Jacksonville their receiver. Allen hearn. Oh, the other one. Oh, the other one. The words Robinson. I'm hung up on Allen Allen Robinson is. You're right Allen. Yes. But last night last name Allen. Okay. So I got four. Allen Keenan Allen. Okay. Who is there? Other running back. This is gonna drive me nuts. Yeah. Melvin Gordon, and I'm just drawing a complete blank. You're pulling all offense to I don't know anyone other event traffic from last year. You don't remember him safety? Everybody's mad. We didn't get him. No throwing James nothing. Denton ring a bell comedian hand on that stupid runningback Austin. This is first name last name starts with an E at cler. Okay. I did not know his first name. I thought it was like a sound like says Austin powers tower. Just give me the name outright. I was just flying. I was just flat out a word game. I watch a lot of game show. Yeah. You got a wide receiver tyrel William Expedia guy. Travis Benjamin that Robinson from Carolina. Kelvin Benjamin Travis Benjamin in Cleveland by Mike Wayan, speedy left tackle, Russell Kun. Nothing. Nothing. Dan, free any left guard, Mike pouncey center, maybe. We have really got his start breast Russian as we've seen from free agency. They're moving all over the place. So it would be pointless. Even learn any of them. I mean, there's only what twelve hundred players in the NFL three four hundred added a year. So I don't try to remember them. All just the ones that stand out to me. Okay. Are we going to do a podcast tomorrow night after free agencies start signing? We'll see we'll see if we give the Thursday if there's not too much going on Wednesday Thursday or Ronnie, so that's going to wrap. It does for us tonight. We will get back with you when we get back with you. Hopefully, the buccaneers will do some decent signings. Tomorrow all these that we have heard about so far does not mean, they're setting stone. As a matter of fact, there was two today who were talked about signing that with the buccaneers. But then they pulled out ended up signing back with their teams was bar with Minnesota. He said he was can't remember where it was going day when I was all excited about it. And then he ended up changing amount or whatever and signed back with Minnesota contingent of NFL fans to hate you. Oh, yeah. I could just imagine measuring lady on belts come into the buccaneers. And then balancing have now I'm signing back with the Steelers if every team in the league would hate him. He's he's looking to go to the jets or I want to say the ravens the to fighting it out right now. Oh, I would like to see him go to the rain along. But then if he got the snot beat out of him every time he played the Steelers would also kid backfiring. Their way. Fun to watch. It's a little hard for me to be a rate for this. Steelers talk for anybody to root for the Steelers again IQ over twelve oh, I'm spiting words. You can get a Steeler nation coming after he. Well, good. Maybe I can get Stephen of nation field about me the way I feel about Bill most obnoxious fans of the league. That's not true. Maybe the eagles are more noxious Feng New Orleans Saint own saints are definitely the whiny as fan by far. It comes from the leadership drew Brees and John eight people on the planet and drew Brees with intentional grounding crap on a hate him from three or four times a game every game he needs to be penalized for a grounding. And they just let it go. Because it's drew Brees. I guess they feel back because short and bald bald we're not gonna mention that thing on his face. All right. We need to get off here before we really offend somebody just to sum it up. A we signed the crap. I can't remember how to pronounce his name day own pecan Buchanan. We got rid of Adam Humphreys, quite Alexsandr in Sean Jackson. The Honey badger Tyrone Matthau is out of action for us. John Brown is out of action for us. They both gone to different teams. And we signed a kicker and released a kicker punter. I mean, well, punter slash kicker. We got a or slash ticker and released they punter. So we'll see how that works out backup quarterback. We got that nail until that's right back. Okay. How can we forget him? Such a vital piece. Six years in the league is never thrown NFL pass crazy is made four million dollars. I want that job. I've always told my I've always said I'm going to get my kid grow up to be a kicker in the league or punter because they make good money from the little that they do. And of course, is always like, oh, no way too much translates guys always under pressure. I'll take the pressure from the money. But I think I've changed my mind. I think I wanted to be a perennial backup quarterback. But you know, you didn't have to get hit some like in preseason and to get up to that point even get considered as a backup quarterback in college and high school, you probably have to start it as a quarterback at some point guess Brian Griffin. Overstock I don't know anything about the guy that check I could I could run into him at the store, and I wouldn't know who he was. I'd probably yell at him for getting them away or something. I tell you what it looks like a crazy crazy. It's magic. Knows what he's going around Griffin goes down by left which can always step in. Do this shape though that long lineup. He's got goof. I sure hope he doesn't train Winston and mechanics because bar left which had probably the worst mechanics. Many quarterback. We've ever had a long wind up anyway. Right. We don't need stretch any further. All right. We're out of here. If you wanna get in touch with Molly can Richard her Email address, Molly at Ma at the buccaneers observer dot com. I can be reached at Ralph at buccaneers observer dot com. Excuse me. I got to change that again. It's not Molly. Molly bay at booking. Here's observer dot com. I'm gonna have to change your Email address. Because I always say, Molly at buccaneers observer dot com change, then you're still going to be saying Molly bay in need to make two of them. So the either one yes, you can reach us on Twitter are handle is at buxom score. Observer or you can visit our website buccaneers observer dot com. It was a comment. Let us know. I were doing until then guys now get no biscuit.

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Top 3 Patriots That Benefit Most From Cam Newton Signing | Patriots Press Pass

New England Patriots Press Pass

05:25 min | 7 months ago

Top 3 Patriots That Benefit Most From Cam Newton Signing | Patriots Press Pass

"The New in signing has brought a lot more excitement to New England. I'm Sierra goodwill here with ever Lazar Czar in. We're not just talking about the fans. We saw the players reaction on social media, and subsequently these people especially on offense. These guys are jazzed up to now have a former NFL MVP, throwing the ball running the offense in. There's definitely some guys who benefit from this signing more than others. We're going to go through. Through the top three Evan. Who Do you have? Is your number three guy who benefits the most from new in laws? You're breaking down. Sierra actually changed my answer. I'm going to go with Muhammed's the new who has been out there already with Cam. Newton working on the practice field and biggest reason, why is because the news route running inability to create separation with his route running? He's healthy. Is exactly the type of offense and? And type of player that the Patriots need at that x receiver position. Are that outside receiver position because if you watch Cam Newton two rows that he loves to throw the slant and the comeback, and you need somebody that has the ability to get open on. Those types of routes on the type of concept's at the Patriots are probably going to install things, RPO's and things like that. There's a lot of slants involve in those. Those concepts and I think that's new might be the guy you look across the board, and you say okay. It could be Eshelman from inside the slot running slant, it could be some new from outside, running a slant, but his Nicole Harry really the slant Guy Jacoby Myers really the slant guy, probably not so they're going to have to get somebody that can run that route consistently, and I think it will be the new. Another wide receiver probably getting a lot from this signing is Nikki Harry. WHO's expected to make major strides in his second season? Can you help make those strides and yet there will I think the the big thing about Akil? Is that if you look at the type of receivers that Cam has worked at in the past seven funches, Kelvin Benjamin even Greg Olsen that tight end. He's had a lot of success with guys in the middle of the field, first of all but big bodied pass catchers, and I think the big reason. Why is that even though he doesn't have that pinpoint Brady accuracy. He's got a really great ability of throwing receivers open on back shoulders on high point beds throwing. Throwing away from defenders right and getting them into positions where they can just be athletes, and they can just box guys out, or they can just high point the ball and go up in attack, the football and fifty fifty situation, which is exactly why the Patriots drafted into Keel along with his abilities after the catch, and then on top of the abilities. After the catch you put cam in this offense now and you have a lot of misdirection you a lot of running capabilities and guys that are built for after the catch really usually thrive in that type of system so I, this is all bodes well for Nikiel Harry as long as his route. Running is continuing to progress this offseason. Benefits. The most from Newton signing in your opinion. WanNa Kinda. Go with to here because I wanted to get James White into this discussion as well because I'll just quickly put a point out with White Christian McCaffrey has led the NFL in both receptions and receiving yards since he entered the league in two thousand, seventeen, most of those throws coming from Cam Newton Cam realized later on in his career that checking the ball down to the running back isn't the worst thing in the world to do sometimes right so he. He realized that they got McCaffrey Super Involved in the passing game there in Carolina right away and I would assume that guys like James. White and REX burkhead will really thrive from that as well, but I think Sony Michelle's number one and the big reason. Why is because cam now evens the numbers in the running game. We talked about this in the video yesterday, but last year Sony Michelle ran thirty three point six percent of his runs against plus defenders in the box, and when you have a quarterback that is. Is Not holding a defender because he's not mobile, and Tom Brady and those eight defenders are all focused on one guy, and it's Sony Michelle the running back so now with Cam Newton in the mix of the Defense has eight guys in the box, and the offense has seven blockers plus Cam right. It's really eight on eight, and now Sony is GonNa have a lot more room to run a lot more running lanes because it's going to be even blockers across the board, so you're GonNa, have eight on eight with. With Cam which means seven on seven with the blockers really and should open up a lot of avenues for Sony. Michelle was guys you know. Getting pulled back out of the option. Read types of plays. You know they're going to be looking at camelot, and it's really gonNA. Free up a lot for Sony and it's going to even out the numbers with the blockers, and he shouldn't be facing as many stacked boxes at least in theory with Cam under center, versus with a guy like Tom Brady or did them. For All the rest of our New England patriots coverage. You can find it on website. It's media dot. com don't forget to subscribe to our Channel at Patriots Press Pass. There is no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner bet online sports slowly making its way back with the UFC NASCAR and soccer leading the way that online has all the best odds in lines for the upcoming matches this weekend. Need more. That online has simulated NFL NBA and UFC happening every day live for you to check out looking for something else. Other than sports bit online has hundreds of live. 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RTFF #311: Week 8 (Part 2)

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

31:47 min | 2 years ago

RTFF #311: Week 8 (Part 2)

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It's Atlanta Dallas the chargers and the Tennessee titans and Evan. It should also be known that while we were recording part one, which we just finished the jets put Blau Powell on. I r so any thoughts for you as to how ownership pick up what it means for Nigeria Crowell owner like me or anything else. Yeah. I mean, I think that it definitely raises the ceiling for Zia crow ELS workload potential. Cruel is still relatively limited player though. And I think they clearly want to keep him in nature bitty of some kind. We saw that last week trick Keaton stepping of mentioned on the first one I'm trying to get Trent Kane and off the waiver wire deep dynasty leagues already Elisha McGuire in that league. So I have the jets backup running back assing game specialists. Foreigner. And those are the two guys to think about behind is Ahah curl. Sure that they will add someone in the meantime, not sure what illegible wires. Status right now broke his foot before the season. So never want to see a running back with a broken foot. Yeah. Will be interesting to to keep an eye on that. Let's get into the games now. And we'll start with the colts and the raiders. Raiders are taking team, you know, taking is it thing. Now. NFL? So welcome to the new NFL. This is an actual teams are doing the raiders are trading away. Young Pro Bowl players. We saw early the season with Khalil Mack. We just saw with Mark Cooper, not that Amari Cooper has been great by any means, you know, he's been on a downward trajectory as opposed to upward trajectory, but trading Khalil Mack was the first sign of it. And they've been shopping coral Joseph, and we may see some more moves when when all is said done, but I think this team that the colts can really really beat up on Marlin back has been on fire recently seven yards per carry over the last two games. One thing that stood out to be about Marla MAC is how decisive has been between the tackles that was not a facet of his game at USS, and I was really high on coming out of college. But I always knew that he had these these. These aspects of his game that might not appeal to coaches and one of them was his tendency to bounce runs outside. He's just kind of an inconsistent player. But over the last two weeks, she has been decisive not dancing runs outside even last year. You know, he got buried behind at or behind the line of scrimmage at the second highest rate in the NFL the colts offensive line. This is awesome. Zero sacks allowed on one hundred twenty five straight pass attempts for you to luck the longest stretch of his career the colts offensive line in football, outsiders run blocking. Metrics are number five in the NFL. They hit Fiqh Chris Ballard as fix this offense of line. I mean, you got brame Smith, right? Tackle you got Martin Lewinsky who they got bricks with was the second round pick this year. Mark glue Inskeep. Who Chris Ballard claimed off waivers last December starting at right tat right right guard. Ryan Kelly healthy at center he was Ryan Grigson final first round pick left guard. Of course, this year's first round. Pick Quinn Nelson and the Costanzo back healthy pretty good offensive line, man. I mean, and they're getting it done. I think they're going to beat up on this terrible slow raiders team Marlin MAC should shred. Andrew luck has fifteen touchdowns over the last four games quietly. Making a run at Patrick Mahomes for the league lead touchdown passes. Love to see it. Andrew look back ball and to Hilton back. Bulling back from the hamstring injury last week actually plays. Fifty three percent of the snaps and was not really a big factor for the entire game other than catching a couple of short TD's of that bodes well against this just being out there and make it through the game healthy bodes well. Heading into this game against the raiders. Should not rush the passer hemorrhage big plays down the football field. All that is t y Hilton's game. Very very excited to see him racing past. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie. Darryl wurley for long touchdown bombs on Sunday. Do not expect Jack Doyle back this week at Eric soup suffered the injury last week. Don't think he's gonna play. So again, Eric Iran all-systems-go had a slower week last week looks past attempts were way down, but he still led the team in targets is a lucked in every week. Fantasy starter. You look at the splits within without TY L and don't really want any part of Chester Rogers, unless his t- wise going to miss time in the future. Hime Hines has been rendered obsolete by Marlin MAC playing so much on the other side. I actually don't think that Mark Cuban removing him from the offense changes a whole lot other than just frees up marshawn Lynch has been removed from offense to and together they were combining for nine targets game. But other than that. I don't think it really changes a whole lot losing marshawn extra. I think is a bigger blow to the offense that Mark Cooper Mark per had two. Good games at a six and the other ones under under twenty ours is out there occupying the quarterback. I think the Jordy Nelson becomes a much more interesting wide receiver three slash flex play. At Jared, cook, even though he had to slow weeks before their week seven bye. He is he's going to be good to go. Either way. He still ran the east most routes and NFL over the over that five and six span. Seth Roberts is gonna play more at Slough receiver. But that's not very interesting. Martavis Bryant was second on the team area arts behind Amari Cooper, who is leading the team areas. So I think Martavis Bryant as someone that the raiders kind of embarrassingly gave up a third round pick middle third round pick for. They're going to want to get something out of him just to you know, for for ego sake. Probably he's going to get big play chances. So he's he's in the mix like a DFS sort of play. And I think that he's in Mexico. Hi, variants wide receiver force lash flex, Doug. Martin is going to be the early down feature back in. Jalen Rashard is going to be the passing down back for the raiders. Which means that the guy that you want is Jalen Rashard. You know, because he's going to be playing a game where they fall behind and the raiders are going to be falling behind a lot as we move forward. Jalen Rashard immediate starter in PR Li ext Doug Martin stand dependent guy. Just really is not a fact it years as rusher to move onto the next one. The next game. It's the Niners who disappointing against the Rams against the cardinals. Who are just as appointing. Yeah. Just to pretty bad teams. I have not written this one up yet. Because there are a lot of injury concerned things especially like, Matt Brita. N even Josh Rosen. Although it looks like he's going to play by left which is going to take over as the cardinals offensive coordinator and replacing Mike McCoy, and he was hired by Bruce Arians. He was with Bruce Arians in Pittsburgh during Ben's big bend suspension. And was it was a backup there with Charlie batch. And Bruce Arians loved him. And of course, Brazilians was the coach of the cardinals. When David Johnson had is monster season in two thousand sixteen. So hopefully, you know, they're on the horn together. Bruce Arians is giving him ideas of better ways to use David Johnson. But the forty Niners have really struggled to they've been good in run defenses straightaway run defense, but they have struggled against running backs in the passing game. Like, they give free catches kinda like that. The the Dan Quinn scheme in Atlanta, but they defend them more poorly. So I think that you know, we we need to see David Johnson getting six to ten targets every game. And hopefully Byron left which agrees with that. Larry showed finally got in the end zone last week. That was good to see, you know, I think that his upside is clearly clearly is is floor in a ceiling are clearly not comfortable at all. But he's in the mix as a wide receiver three play. Forty Niners has been really weak against outside corner against outside receivers. And that's where Christian Kirk mainly plays. George Kittle one of the best three tight ends in football. I mean, I feel confident saying that right now, or at least one of the top four because we have not seen gronk at full speed this year, but I mean right there with with irt Saint Kelsey. George KENDALL is frigging. Awesome. Vols in the run in the past games. On the other side. So Rahima stare if not breed it is not play in that Brita seemingly overcomes the odds. Every single week ROY Hema stared. I think would be the forty Niners Lee back. I think it's pretty clear that he is a head of Alfred Morris at this point in time in Kyle Shanahan's mind he should be owned in all leagues. I mean. This is a great match up for any running backs. Not like the the cardinals are necessarily terrible and run defense. But because they cannot sustain drives offensively teams are just piling up rushing attempts against them every game running a ton of plays them. So that always bodes well for a rushing attack. Because what you want in rushing attack is vol you are the cardinals gonna trade Patrick Peterson. Just there are a lot of question marks in this game. That are difficult to answer. We can move onto the next one. Okay. The next one is the Packers at the Rams interesting to see what the line is for this game. The Rams is heavy favorites. Thinking for this one. Evan Rams are heavy favorites. And the total is pretty monstrous it was it opened at fifty six and immediately bets came in on though over and it's up to fifty seven and a half. Now. So love to see that Todd Gurley Amine. What what is there left to say? He is on pace to break ladainian Tomlinson's single season record for most all purpose touchdowns by running back. Packers not been good in run defense and his massive home favorite. Jared Goff has been more of a floor than feeling play in fantasy of the high scoring projection in this game. I think really, you know, bodes well for him. I don't my guess is that Cooper Cup won't be back. I'm not sure we're gonna have to figure that out as the week moves forward. Josh Reynolds was not a not a factor with. With Cooper Cup out last week one target titan. You know, we're not really factors either. And then. Rainy, cooks, and Barada woods really did the heavy lifting. In addition to Todd Gurley on the other side Aaron Rodgers I think that first of all he before the by week he had a thirty or more rushing yards in two of his final three starts before the week seven by then he was a top five fantasy quarterback in each of the two games leading into the by. Now, the Packers actually were chasing in both of those games. But it's entirely possible that they could be chasing here that, you know, would would make it a very fun bucks gore day for Aaron Rodgers. And I think that in terms of just sheer upside at the quarterback position it's Patrick Mahomes. And it's Aaron Rodgers in week eight. Although interlocked also deserves mention there if the the raiders can can do anything offensively. The receiver core is going to be interesting to see how shakes out. Markaz vowed scheduling the big slot receiver with four three seven speed is really giving them a new dimension on offense, which is size in his lengthy is jets and Randall Cobb and drama, Alison, we're just dropping passes and fumbling and making all kinds of mistakes before they got hurt. So. Are they going to go away from the impressive young rookie? I'm not, you know, that'd be very interesting to see. But it makes all those guys very risky investments. I think that of the three Toronto Allison is the safest back to come back with a big role because he's been playing outside whereas Cobb and volt out a scheduling been playing insight vantera Demonte, Adam should rip this open ten touchdowns overs last ten games. You know, and you want to attack Marcus Peters and Troy hill on outside for the Rams. They had been playing Sam shields on outside. But they want a benching him. For Troy hill. Former undrafted free agent. The Rams have given up the eighth most yards to opposing tight ends. George kiddle had a big game against them last week. Jimmy Graham comes off the bye in a pretty good spot here. I mean, he was he was doing well in weeks one through six top-five among tight ends in charge and area arts. Running back situations. Very frustrating. You know, we all know their Jones can can ball, but they don't use them in the passing game. They don't trust them to be a full-time player. And they continue us this three way running back rotation. I mean in week six before the by Jones had the few snaps out of all of them. Played nineteen snaps. Ten Montgomery played twenty three Jamal Williams by twenty seven. So until we see in actual change in that backfield distribution, we, you know, all we can say is that you know, we hope and we think that this should happen. And we just, you know, move forward with what the coaches are telling us we can move onto the next one. Next game. Did you do the Rams? Yes, sir. That was quick. Only I was focusing on the Packers involved as scantly. I know you love that dude. How about how about Sunday night? How about the rematch man saints? Vikings. Yep. The rematch these teams actually played twice last year. So this is gonna be their third game since week one. Remember that Sam Bradford game read just lit them up. I think it was on a Monday night. But in this will be the third quarterback for the Vikings during that span, but the know this game will be played indoors. It's got a pretty big total Kirk cousins balling. This will be there really their best opportunity to dial up a deeper passing game. They'd been a quick out offense as they should be their offense of line problems. Johnny Filipa your this coaching tree of Doug. Peterson is really starting to develop quickly def- Lippo in Frank right? Doing great jobs as former eagles assistance. But they have gotten the ball out of Kirk cousins hands quickly. Look like the average up target for Adam see you in and Stefan digs really really short on both under ten yards. So. These guys are not like being targeted on deep downfield passes of this. This will give them an opportunity to get the, you know, get those chances because the saints have been giving up a lot of big plays football field. Can't really rush the passer. On their quarterback situation is such that, you know, they went out and made the trade for you lie. Apple they know that they are in bad shape side for Marshon Lattimore, go back and watch the January divisional round game between these teams and Marshon Lattimore actually shadowed Adams, dealing not Stefan Dicks in that game. But any any held him to seventy four yards on nine targets? But I feel that game was playing through trains verse process fractures in his back. And he also was playing more outside receiver at that time. Then he is this year that she was a sixty two percent slot receiver. Marshon Lattimore has gone into the slot. Three percent of the time. So I think that of who's gonna have another big game. And you know, I think the Vikings are going to be trying to proactively trying to get him another big game. Because if it goes over one hundred yards again, he breaks the NFL record for most consecutive hundred plus yard games. I I still think that you know, we'll digs is gonna be inside twenty five percent of the time. So he's not going to be on. Marshon Lattimore the entire game. And you know, the the saints the high scoring nature of the game. I think bodes well for Stefan Dick's, so he's not like a wide receiver one this week. But I do think that he is a confident wide receiver to Stefan digs, of course, had a monster week one game against the same. Saints defense last week one in of course, scored that walk off sixty one yard touchdown in the divisional round. Kyle rudolph. You know, it's not a whole lot upside here that he is demonstrated. Just getting you know, but somewhere between four and six tar gets each week not really getting into the end zone. So you kind of know what you're dealing with lake on Treadwell has a bunch of targets outback Robinson's Keach keeps on catching touchdowns late while Lakewood treadwell's does nothing so. No interest in those complimentary receivers on the other side. Drew Brees started off that that game. Last January really slow through a couple of picks early saints gotten a whole they rallied back and drew Brees wound up having a monster game. As did Michael Thomas biking's have played better defense recently. But really have not been tested, and they are going to be tested here. I don't think Xavier roads is going to play. Everson Griffen likely to remain out. Do the personal matter. Indra Syndey ho their free safety has been banged up on the internet bar left. The game last week with a hamstring injury. Did not return in the fourth quarter. So they could be really oh ah Lindvall Joseph didn't play last week. I mean, they are really really banged up defensively. I think the drew Brees is fire the cannons in this indoor potential shootout. Michael Thomas, fire the cannons. Tree. Quant Smith has three and six targets in two games without Ted Ginn. I think that's what we should sit expect for him high variants deep threat just basically playing the same role that Ted game in did previously. Cameron. Meredith was a no-show in the last game. And I think that he's rule is just less consistent than trick on Smith camera marathon Rin tin routes in week seven or eleven routes in week seven zero targets. The backfield distribution between Alvin Kamara Mark Ingram. I think last week was more in line with what we should expect Alvin Kamara nineteen touches Mark Ingram. Fourteen. Touches Vikings have been very good in run defense. But again, they could be without a bunch of key players in this one Ben Watson, his his like routes run and his snaps and all that were about the same that they had been last week. But he caught a touchdown all six of his targets against the ravens of things are kind of similar to the ravens in that the best way to go after them is in the middle of the field with tight ends at least when when everybody's at full strength. Suben watson. I think makes some sense as a streamer in a potential high scoring game in weekend or no likings are need to talk about their running back. So I just don't know about the running back. Some fortunately dalvin cook. Hamstring injury. You know, he's gonna try to come back. This we guide. No, let's have you Mary his played really, really. Well. And even if Delvin comes back. I mean, let's say Murray has earned a role we can move onto the next one. The next one is the last one Evan. It's the patriots and the bills I will be there on the sideline Monday night. Trying not to freeze my butt off. It's still a pct threat shouldn't be that bed. And I'm not expecting the Bill to really score any points. Right, right. One thing that might clay of ESPN noted this week is that the bills have played seven games and in five of them. The defence facing them finish as top three defense in fantasy on the week, which is just absurd because these are very very high variance in fantasy. I mean, you defense in the best possible spots, and they won't come through. You know in some terrible defense would just go off in terms of fantasy points happens all the time. But you know, this this signals. Hey, let's you know, let's let's check out the patriots fantasy defense here against this this bills team because guess what? Derek Anderson at four turnovers three picks last week and. He should have had another pick. But Margus hunt dropped it. So. Near he Anderson. You know, this is like an expansion level team the Buffalo Bills with McCoy suffers a concussion don't know if he's gonna play Chris Chris ivory could end up with a bunch of carries in this game. He should be owned in all leagues and always not a sexy player by by any means. But any dude who is imposition? Maybe get a bunch of usage should be on fantasy rosters. One good thing. The Derek Anderson did do last week was get Kelvin Benjamin going little bit seventy one yards. That's big for Kelvin Benjamin these days now you look at the the stat lines. When Derek Anderson has started with Kelvin Benjamin going back to Carolina since a four-game sample at this point of quarter of a season Kella measurement is going over seventy yards in all four of them. With a couple of big games now is gonna have to face all Stefan Gilmore who has been legit lights out this season. You our Robinson last week? So Kelvin Benjamin. Shakey wide receiver three. But at least he's not a shaky wide receiver five like he was for the first six games, you know, dome really want any part of Charles clay, the Bella check has always had like his fear of Charles clay, double teamed him stuck a keep Toledo on them. One game back in the day. So no-one mess around with him on the other side. I think gronk is going to be back in historically ES smashed the bills. This is where he's from. So. You know, he just think he is not looked same this this year in a definitely wouldn't be surprised if it's because of the back that has been hindering him and obviously last week missed the game because of the back like a late edition to injury report. So certainly something to monitor, but it seems like the signs point to him returning this week. Josh Gordon is going to have to deal with Tadeusz white, Josh Gordon's but ball. Mate's the bunch of big plays last week. But this is going to be a little bit tougher of a matchup. I do think that based on how much he is playing based on how many how many targets he seeing based on his level of play that he we should consider him to be a matchup proof wide receiver to. But I think that this is a game where he might not reach ceiling. Chris HOGAN has started to come on a little bit. But you know, with gronk there that'll be Gordon James white going nuts. You know, just a bunch of mouths to feed in the passing Chris HOGAN, not a reliable play. This is revenge game for Chris HOGAN who famously or or not so famously earned the nickname seven eleven for always being open on the bills practice squad. Julian I don't you know, where we're rolling him every week. He's been excellent. And then you know, you know, the deal was Brady Sony. Michelle do not think we're gonna see this week. And so that actually positions Kenyan Barner to get some carries against buffalo. He could end up with a lot of carries. This is not a game where it's likely that to to be a back and forth affair, you know, it's it's likely to be a game where the patriots try to stop there. The bills throat early in the game. And then you know, play their backups late in the game. And that would be that would be Kenyon Barnard James white. Of course, unbelievable season really has made the leap in two thousand eighteen fantasy started regardless of PR or non PR that takes care of that one. That takes care of all of them have been that'll do it for episode number two of week eight we've wrapped up everything for you guys. Which means the only last thing to wrap up his bed, online dot AG. I told you about earlier I'll tell you about it again because they're giving you guys a fifty percent sign up bonus. When you use the code podcast one, which is amazing. So please, do it bet online dot AG. I know a lot of you like to place little something something on the games. There's a lot of other stuff going on baseball. 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Wide Receivers and Goodbyes

Big Blue View

37:27 min | 1 year ago

Wide Receivers and Goodbyes

"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about N._H._l.. Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York guyland scheme. If the answer's yes don't wait another minute pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts from espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts <music> are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans. Hello Welcome to the big review podcast I I am. Dan Pursued a joint here by Chris Flood Chris. How're you doing today? Honestly I'm a little bit sad. I'm a little bit sad and I'll tell everybody why this is Dan's. Last show is leaving us. This is his Swansong Swansong might be able to strong but yes. This is going to be my last official recording of the big blue view podcasts. If some of you might have seen on twitter I have started to write for warning sharps sharp football analysis. That's where I am going to be the season of going to be editing there. I'm going to be writing there. So that is something that is going coming to you. Take a pretty much all of my time so I will be shifting over to that officially. I've been writing there. You might have seen me tweet a couple stories that we've done there. We're so far but starting August first that's that's what I'm going to be doing so I will be ending my tenure at big review both writing on the site and doing this podcast so it just wants you quickly say thank you to everyone. Listening who has been listening since the beginning the first show was me and of Rivers McCowan talking about the Houston Texans game in week three because that was just kind of wear. The podcast was when we could get started. I think Chris wasn't available that week so we didn't officially start this podcast until the second week we were doing it so thank you for everyone who has been listening and has continued can you to listen as we grew from that point and doing all our draft shows and talking draft nonstop and going with us through not an easy season talk about West Year so thank you for everyone who has continued to listen the podcast is going to continue Chris or probably have more information formation on that at a later date. I know that's being worked on so there's going to be a Chris show. Ed is still going to be doing his show so this will still continue in some form. Just yes not with me so it's usually thank you everyone for listening. I would also like to thank Chris for doing this with me twice a week every week for the past what like like almost a year yeah actually yeah close yeah longer than six months probably would have shorter than a year but yeah so that is a news we are going to start at the top with and we are now going to continue with a regularly scheduled show where I think the only thing we can really talk about at this moment when it comes to the giants giants is what is going on at wide receiver you training camp has only been going on for a week and has the giants situation. Ah Wide Receiver changed drastically the first day of Training Camp Sterling Shepherd broke his thumb. He has been out at practice running routes. The one handed catches. He is expected to be back by week one but of course he won't be at full strength until at least week while we don't really know if that's going to it happened and then also later that day Corey Coleman Tours A._C._l.. is going to be out for the entire season and then we've found out over the weekend. Golden Golden Tate is going to be suspended or is facing a suspension for the first four games of the season for violating the N._F._L.'s P._d.. Policy that that was from what Tate said just a fertility drug that you know is an unfortunate thing but I think as we Chris. We talked about this over the weekend about just how rare it is for a case like this to be appealed and be successfully appealed and we were talking about that before we even knew what the situation was at you brought up to me that way free had something similar aware it was a fatuity drug and he appealed and the suspension was still upheld so even though tate was reportedly confident he had a good case a good reasoning. It doesn't seem like a per the N._F._L.'s precedent on subject matters like this that tastes suspension is going to be reversed so we are very likely to see him suspended for the first four dams yeah and the the N._F._l.'s stance on this is basically the players are responsible for what they put in their body and the N._F._l.. Really can't get into case by case judgment establishing any kind of precedent because was even if we do believe Golden Tate which we don't really have any reason not to believe him a lot of the compounds that are in the fertility drugs that trip the P._d.. Tests are also used as either masking agents or in post cycle <unk> therapy for actual eighties or steroids basically to help people who use them get their hormones is back in balance after being thrown way out of whack to supercharge their performance muscle growth or recovery and there are are unfortunately some unscrupulous doctors out there who will just take a check to write a prescription wish. That weren't the case but the N._F._l.. Can't really take a chance on somebody cheating like that getting a fraudulent prescription in saying well yet it it is for fertility and then them saying well okay yeah. That's what the prescription says so hopefully table either have his suspension reduced based or his appeal go his way but I don't think the giants can really plan on that happening and then just with the injury situation losing korey Coleman for the year the giants were hoping he would kind of break out having a full full offseason in their program really actually be able to play up to that first round pedigree sterling shepard breaking his thumb trying to haul in a low pass cost. That's just that's just kind of the giants right there and then Daria Slayton dealing with a hamstring and just all the other things that have happened. It's it's been a long or as a practice yet. The giants have gotten like a season's worth of news in the span of the first week and that's I think significantly going to shape what this offense starts to look like as we head into the rest of training camp and the preseason into the regular season Waikele said shepherd is expected to be healthy and he's targeting week one and the beginning of the regular season to be healthy and be able to be on the field and imitates tate's probably going to miss the first four games so the giants are going to have to figure out how to reassemble what they have at wide receiver when you look down what what is left at the depth chart can't be overly confident with what is there so before I think we get into the wide receivers and who who is left who they could Suspensions in everything happened basically a week ago Ingram and Barclay. were going to be the giants to most explosive players. I don't think there was really going to be anyone who could compete without in terms of just being able to make defenders miss take a pass and if they get a little bit of space turn a short pass into a long gain. Sterling Shepherd is a good reliable receiver. He can pick up yards when he has the chance but he doesn't have that just explosive athleticism to make a move and leave a defender in the dust like those two guys can golden tate is good in screen games. He's good after the catch but again he just doesn't have that same explosiveness that Angelman Barclay do so they might have been able to get a guy with that kind of potential adversaries slayton but again. He's he's a rookie and he's a late round rookie. You don't WanNa put that kind kind of you know. If our offense is going to be explosive you have to do it kid you don't want to put that on a rookie right and the importance of Barclay and Ingram it's going to be evident and I think that is what to watch for now going forward through the remainder of training camp. It's not going to be who stands out of this group at wide receiver. It's are they starting to move Barclay around more which like we said they did lash training camp and then once it got to the regular season that all went away so is Barkley going to be moved around a little more in the next few training camp practices. Are we going to see him lined up in the slot or be going to see him motion out to the outside or we're going to see Evan Ingram in different alignments it could he potentially wind up in the backfield is going to be in the slot more. Is he going to be on the outside more so this past week I was writing this before the injuries and the tate suspension happened. I wrote a post about Evan Ingram about how the giants should kind of go back to school on Evan Ingram and really look at what he did in college and what made him successful in college what made him a first round pick and one of that was using his athletic ability to use them as a mismatch in the passing game. I had two plays that highlighted one was just U._S.. Aid They seem pass right from the slot and he just dominated a smaller defensive back and that's exactly what you want to do and then I have a wheel route he had a wind up as a fullback h back kind but just slightly behind the offensive line and he ran a wheel route from the backfield and it it was just wide open down the sideline and it was there was a bad throw on the plate but it would have been a huge gain. It was still a pretty decent gain on the play so these are just things you could see Ingraham debord and it's something I think now a we would have liked to see him us more. I think now that's something he has to be used more in that way going forward and then went back and looked at the twenty eighteen season Ingram was targeted on only two seem routes to last year and both of the were big successful plays one came earlier in the season against Tampa Bay. We just got an opening against David David and had a huge run after the catch and then one was later in this season against Indianapolis all where he was able to beat Darius Leonard Down the field and and had to adjust a little bit for underthrown ball. If it was thrown a little better it's probably a touchdown but still a big that set the giants up at the goal line but those were the only two zebra out he was targeted on last year and I know some people were going to say oh well the offensive line there was not enough time to I think you're seriously the overestimating how much time it it takes up to set up a system that can just go ten yards down the field. That's all yes it'd be thrown and then when I went and looked at Ingram's usage and how often he was targeted really ten or more yards down the field we fourteen percent of his targets came ten or more yards down the field when you look at guys like you know the Travis Chelsea's Zach Ertz George Kills Kittles. Those guys are all around like thirty percent of their targets happened ten or more yards down the field so if you are going to use Evan Ingram correctly and I think now you have to you need to start using him more creatively in that way yeah absolutely that's like you said that's something we have been harping on for months now and really the giants need to change their tendencies a with both Barclay and Ingram because right right now. They're the guys for this offense and that could be a tremendous advantage for the giants if they allow it to be because was N._F._l.. Defense just are not set up to deal with players like Barkley and Ingram especially those positions the reason the tight end has become a nightmare mismatch of position is because defenses in the middle are either set up to deal with the the run and put seven guys in the box lay downfield play their run fix and deal with blockers which basically means big base packages big linebackers strong strong guys or they play a light package to deal with wide receivers which again there's the whole other side of that conversation with the run game that we have talked about plenty but with tight ends like Erz and Kelsey and especially guys like kindle and Ingram they are way too fast for linebackers is to really cover. I mean you just said he ran right past theories Leonard and he is basically one of the best off ball space linebackers backers in the N._F._l.. And that was as rookie and then when you get defensive backs like he did in college guys like Ingram and cattle are also too big for defensive backs to really effectively cover so you that is just I don't WanNa say it's free yardage but it is a built in mismatch that defense is don't really have a way to deal with and then again with Barclay. He is kind of the same kind of mismatch he is too fast for linebackers he he's too big for defensive backs and playing running back and if the giants would actually throw to him out of the slot defenders these are really going to be able to get their hands on him to disrupt the route and the timing so he's pretty much always going to be getting a free release and if the giants would throw to him down field field in stride he's going to have that many fewer defenders he have to make miss he will already be up to speed which as we have seen is damned damn fast that right now is the way forward for the giants and they could be surprisingly successful running an offense through those two guys problem is they at least tendencies from last year they had absolutely no desire to do so Evan Ingram had the second lowest average depths of target Barkley was targeted behind the line of scrimmage basically all the time the giants have to rethink how they use those two players players just completely from the ground up yeah that's exactly what to watch going forward and if the giants are not starting to figure out how to use Barclay and Ingram better that you have to really wonder what they're thinking offensively and whether this offense is going to progress throughout the season because those those of your two key guys now regardless of how healthy Sterling Shepherd is going to be or what might happen with Golden Gate suspension and even if anyone else in this wide receiver group steps up these are going to be your two guys and if they're not used more creatively or more effectively then you really have to start In Tuesday's I talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech execs like founder of lime scooters the C._E._o.. Beyond meat we must have been talking a lot of reporters academics. I'm expect a major pressing policy issues tech like facebook's content moderation doing great youtube harassment plan or lack thereof and whether or not the government rake up Amazon twitch. Maybe it should and then every Friday I sit down with executive editor bone and Paul Miller for chat show we cover the latest in tech news and product reviews agreeing our other reporters around the verge. That show is party party. Listen to it. You can hear all that more. If you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast love free to listen and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast. We'll see there okay so we are back so talking about giants wide receivers injuries suspensions. Everything has hit this group. That was not a very it deep group to begin with so let's just run down quickly who is on the giants roster so outside of Golden Tate and sterling shepherd the giants now have Ovando Russell Russell Shepard Bennie Fowler Britain Golden Cody Latimer put them all in a group together those are basically the the veteran options who also are going to contribute on special teams and they are all kind of like the same player they all play the same role. There's nothing outstanding about. They're receiving ability their biggest contributions before this were to have come on special teams and then you have the group of really the three rookies than in Daria slate and who wasn't a fifth round pick and then Reggie white junior undrafted free agent you also Alex Wesley who is currently on the published you start start training camp with an injury us. He has not been on the field yet but you have those three young players and then right now you have Ombu editorial and T._J.. Jones who they mentioned they he just signed in their workout after all the news broke of what was going to be happening with the giants wide receiver group so of those guys Chris. Does anyone really really stand out to you dot particularly now. I'll say we both really liked Ombu at a table last year so it's good to see him back T._J.. Jones is intriguing because he does he does bring some special teams upside which catch you know again. That's not super exciting but they did lose Corey Coleman who was a good kickoff returner and it would it would help the offense out a lot if they can get those hidden yards back Ritchie. Y junior does have intriguing upside athletically but undrafted free agent at monmouth dairy Slayton easy dealing with an injury and really even before all the the injuries are tight suspension. I don't think the giants receiving core was really going to be scaring too. Many secondary's my feeling was they. They might sneak up on a defense that just didn't respect them at all and said you know you know what we will give you the pass we are not going to let saquon Berkeley beat us. They might have some good games if the defense does that but they're not gonNA keep any defensive coordinator up at night so that's kind of where the giants are also you forgot Demari Scott who the giants claimed off of waivers just before camp started yeah you're right okay so add him to the group of young players <hes> in that in that Slayton White Wesley role where maybe maybe one or two or going to come out. I think we'll see I don't think we're GONNA make Rosser projection right now but Daria Slayton likely to make the roster as a fifth round pick and then possibly either white or sky. I I would say probably would be the most likely to like like you said he's he's someone I do like the traitor there even at this point in the off season and and you kind of look at what the giants Rosser has like why not why not let Reggie White get some more reps and see what he can do. I don't see the downside in keeping him over over someone like Ovando Russell Alonzo Russell Russell Shepherd you know what those guys are so so why not allow Reggie white to have some more run with with the offense in training camp and see if he can produce because really you you have nothing to lose at this point but I'll go back to the two guys they he did sign because I think right now they might be there to best receivers outside of Tate and shepherd so I have been very vocally the fan of Ombu editor since before he came out in the drought when I was first doing dress up for bid we've you I was doing some draft. Videos on editor was someone when I highlighted as a late round guy. I liked a lot. He someone target yards added like a lot. which if you've been listening to these podcasts in our draft podcasts especially metric had that separates college wide receiver from their offense and editor came out very well in that nice with the giants he's been on the practice squad? He's bounce around a little bit played in the AF last year but I think he's someone who has has good deep spe- I think he can get open an down the field I think he's a much better route runner than a deep threat label would give him credit for and to go back to last year and we were going in training camp. He had a real good training camp last year for the most part and we were all asked to as a big review staff to make a bold prediction for the twenty eight season have my prediction was that on the editorial finish the season as the giants number three wide receiver so that was a complete swinging Amiss yes. He didn't even make the fifty three coming out of training camp because so that was a huge swing and miss as it bold prediction but you can see 'em high on the editor so I think if he is able to stay healthy which has also been a problem in his career so far if he's able to stay healthy and you can get on the field I think he can he can eat. I mean he's not going to step in and be like a number one and number two but as that guy you could rotate third wide receiver. I think he can be there and then as we move to T._J.. Jones that's kind of been his role also far throughout his career with the lions. He is only twenty seven years old. He's been a productive wide receiver and we got twenty. Six targets last year. Fifteen Games started three but he's a d._v._d.. Way Per football outsiders was didn't qualify for the full list of qualified receivers but of what he had was is going to be around like the thirty third wide receiver by Devi away which is per play efficiency so that's not terrible in twenty seventeen when he had had forty nine targets he was thirty first in Devi away so he does have that ability. He is someone who can also get downfield and the problem is it's. It's another another slot receiver. Another guy who works his best out of the slot in twenty seventeen twenty two of his forty nine targets came from the slot per sports info solutions and fourteen of his twenty six targets last year a came from the slot so he's someone who has done his best work there if he's going to be playing without tate and shepherd than that works you can put someone in there but then if he's your number three once tate and shepherd come back now you do rotating three is is who do their best work from the slot. So that's another potential problem. You can have a come maybe five of but that's getting a little ahead of ourselves but that's just kind of projecting the type hypoc player T._J.. Jones is I think he has some ability. He has shown that he's been a productive receiver so far. He's been more of that number three option but I think those are those are two decent editions. I think especially when you look at the rest of the giants receiving core and when nothing else really pops off off the page so why not give those shot yeah absolutely we pretty much seen what the rest of they're veterans looked like and it was not really exciting. Cody Latimer can win fifty fifty balls down field but the idea it should be that your receivers creating a separation that they don't have to be winning fifty fifty balls then Fowler's kind of the same die Russell Shepard in Lonzo Russell. We'd we've seen them. They've got some size and athletic ability but they're not really the guys so if you're in this position why not just take the chance see see what you have avenue the young players see what you've got in the guy who just brought on. Maybe you can fit the pieces That to us and B. The X. receiver that the giants just don't have on their roster right now or at least they don't have that we can readily see <unk> dairy Slayton can't put that downfield speed to use and forced defenses to take a take a defender out of the tackle box and maybe lighten the load on Saquon Barkley just a little bit because I think we know the giants are not going to stop running Barclay into heavy boxes. It's at the point where you just say Oh. Why not I say give give guys like like Reggie White? The shot not give Darius Slayton a little more. He's been dealing with bit of a hamstring injury so you don't want to push him now because you feel like you have to with the wide receiver situation so you I definitely want to keep him in a controlled environment. You don't WanNa push a hamstring too early in training camp because that's something that could easily winger into the season but <music>. I'm definitely a fan of giving those guys. The shock giving someone like Edita was shot because like we said you know what Russell Russell Shepard Bennie Fowler you. You know what those guys are. You can keep maybe one or two of them. At this point. Maybe one maybe two who knows they're still going to have their role role as a receiver in contribute on special teams but if you're looking for something I mean this offense is probably going to start slow so having all these different different combinations in training camp <hes> you you you should just see what works and maybe something does and maybe doesn't but it trying to figure out what works is not going to make your offense any worse than what it could potentially be right now so they were going to end with some potential of free agents and I know the they did have a bit of a workout and they did sign the two guys but they're still kind of a group of veteran free agents out there. I'm just going to run through the list and again. We're we'll just see if anyone stands out so right now we have a camera meredith who was just recently released by the saints a Chris You you just read an article wondering if the giant shooting look at him then it's names like peer Garson of Michael Crabtree Terrance Williams Mike Wallace streeter and then there's the Kelvin Benjamin question it was widely reported the giants were going to reach out to him and invite him into that wide receiver workout apparently that that did not happen he it was not one of the procedures who worked out obviously Benjamin is a former first round pick of Dave Gettleman Kelvin Benjamin also not a very good wide receiver. He's one one of the worst separators in the League when you look at next Gen stats and wide receivers who have qualified for their full season as stats over the past three years ears. I think Kelvin Benjamin has three of the I think six lowest average separation numbers of those three seasons so not not great not the kind of receiver you want to put on an offense that should be creating space especially in the short and intermediate regions of the Field Kelvin Benjamin. I mean just doesn't have that the separation ability so I really don't think he should be an option and then you have that other group of potential wide receivers probably come with some some character concerns. I think we could say that's a group of Dez Bryant Martavis Bryant if he gets reinstated and then we aren't Karoo who was released by Miami. He's this guy who'd never really caught on with the dolphins. He had some deep potential when he was drafted. Never really caught on. I think there was some work ethic issues. There were some injury issues so I think that's a group of like three guys. Giants probably going to stay away from if they believe culture is as important as they have said so of that group. Does anyone even standout to you there because I I don't think anyone does for me. Yeah no not really I might take a look at somebody by like the Anthony Thomas even though he's he kinda straddles the line between wide receiver and running back <hes>. Maybe feel Riddick 'cause he's out there as you know. Maybe this is a bit of a <hes> extinct designation but as a slot back even though yes the giants do have a ton of slot receivers at this point they kind of have to cast their net wide and take any advantage they can get because we're well into <hes> Mick Mick Jagger territory with you can't always get what you want but if you try you might get what you need so him maybe Carlos Henderson it kind of the ultimate one year wonder her back in two thousand seventeen at Louisiana tech but maybe he still has that ability sammie coates is out there justin hunter two guys with size and a ton of athleticism but have just never put it together at the N._F._l.. Level it's not ideal yeah. It's not great and I think probably the best path forward for the giants right. Now is to keep the group that they had they brought in the two. You guys and now wouldn't cuts start to happen in training camp and maybe you can pick someone up off a roster that isn't going to make a team that you could could find useful to add to this group there. There might be a couple and that's probably going to be a better option than a group of veteran receivers like like what is is Michael crabtree going to add to the giants and someone not only just coming off an Achilles but someone of veteran wide receiver. I like what I don't. I'm not sure sure I understand the point. I know kind of said earlier like you can just say you know what why not for some of these guys but if you're looking for some of the older things like Michael Capture after your especially a Kelvin Benjamin. It's like what what's the point. Are they really going to add so much that bringing in a veteran guy and blocking someone like a a Slayton or reggie white is going to is going to make that much of a difference. I'm not sure it is so I don't see them going into the free agent market again I see them probably sticking with what they have and as underwhelming as a group as we've said it is hopefully you can maybe see if if someone is able to step up and if if it's able to get going and you do that on top of potentially a better usage of saquon Barkley in the passing game better uses of Evan Ingram than I think you can still work around and have have a passable offense but it's just it's just accepting what you have what is going to work best for you and then figuring out how to make that happen happen and I think that is going to be what we should be looking for. As the next couple of practices have been for giants during Training Camp Yeah I would even I project that forward is that that's the main thing we should be watching through week three of the preseason you know when teams start to play their starters for most of the game they start to game plan as if it was an actual game that matters that's I think will be when we get our clearest idea of just what the giants might be thinking how they might be looking at fitting all of these pieces together and and you know really whether or not this will be an Evan Ingram and saquon Barkley offense with receiving core moving to a secondary are- position almost like receiving running backs and tight ends. Were honestly worth them last year yeah. I think that's probably going to be the how this offense stays somewhat success. What words it's at least it's best path toward success this season so we will see if if that is the path they choose to take while everything else plays out so we are going to end this episode here? Thank you guys I of four listening. You can get this podcast wherever you get your podcast Pres Rate Review if you have not that helps this podcast <unk> out greatly and it's going to continue to help as training camp is going in the regular season comes and more episodes are going to be coming out on this field and that we have ed onsite he you will be coming out with with a bunch of podcasts from there. You can find big view at big view dot com you can find a twitter at big review can find big review on instagram at big underscore BLU underscore view. You can follow me on twitter at damp due to you fall Chris on twitter at Raptor M. K.. I thank thank you guys for listening. 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Episode 19: Week 3 AFC Team-by-Team Recap

Establish The Run

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Episode 19: Week 3 AFC Team-by-Team Recap

"I hello and welcome to episode so nineteen of the official established the run DOT COM podcast. My name is Adam Lebanon. I one of the CO founders here at established run as always. I'm joined by fellow co founded the man himself. The man who still has the nut F F P C team. I believe in second place it is of course Evan. Silva haven't what's going on. What's going on man coming off a it was not my best week from. DFS Played Way too much Chris Carson that that really hurt but had a great week for sports betting a nail the overs on the cardinals panthers and the steelers forty niners sealers forty niners came right down to the last minute again but had a really good week sports betting in doing really really well in the high stakes season-long still so looking forward to an exciting week for two teams on bias in week four and five and then we start to get a intellect four and sixteen byes of by little bit a little bit more relaxing with a cup just taking a couple teams off the slate helps a little bit for researching writing the match column and dealing with all the injuries we yep and we're GonNa talk about what happened to Chris Carson actually think Chris. I look back at it a lot and I've I thought about a lot I still think that Chris Carson was a really good play. WE'RE GONNA talk about that in the NFC version thankfully for me. I got bailed out by the Allan Boys Kyle and and Keenan. We're both awesome but anyway this episode. Episode Nineteen will be the AFC team by team and it will be free just a small sliver of the content slash information that we're putting out on a week to week basis on established the run episode twenty will cover the NFC and be behind the pay paywall so if you are not on a savage to run yet. We have a monthly option. We now have a weekly option which we just released last week. Get in there okay Evan. Let's let's get to it with the AFC and we'll start off with the Baltimore Ravens. You know I actually thought that it's tough for teams airhead and if you look at what teams going to Arrowhead have done on over the last couple of years. It's been a real struggle for them. And although the defense is not talented has scheme problems when teams to arrowhead the defense finds ways to rise up. I had a full fade going on Lamar Jackson Marquees Brown. Mark Andrews worked out well of course Mark Ingram ended up smashing but like I'm not going to sit here and kill Lamar. Mr Or Marquees Brown were under these guys for failing in Arrowhead. It's just something that happens. I'll just chalk it up and move on. Did you see anything interesting being out of Baltimore. Yeah so talked about this last week. In the match ups column it in the Week One game where they just absolutely blow blow torch the dolphins they were able to get ravens able to get all three hundred Baksh involved in week two Zulu bit closer and against the cardinals normals and we saw that was mark Ingram backfield and that was a good indicator that going on the road to Arrowhead where they were projected a plate from behind I think they wound up like six point or six and a half point dog and it was again the full monty for Mark Ingram and that wound up really really paying dividends he of course stole all the touchdowns and he was you end up being a a great contrarian play. I had positive takeaways from Marcus Brown because the dude had over two hundred areas he had and Lamar just didn't deliver on some of the throws and that's GonNa Happen. Sometimes Lamar is still will a developing passer. There's no question about it. with Markey's route I love the target share the Air Yard share and I think that he's going to be an excellent. A buyback option on the weak force like yeah agree. I mean markets. Brown was like to just misses away from a a monster week everybody would even. I'm really really excited about him so I'm certainly much higher going forward. Forget facet least in the week coming on Mark Brown than I was in the Kansas City game. let's go to Buffalo we know that Devon single payer's out icon expect him to miss again but we'll see either way. There's looked like a really good setup for Frank Gorman. They're fourteen nothing at halftime it still they gave not Yeltsin. Aide carries. Frank Gore got fourteen. It's just not a situation that interested in and then this week avenue the ultimate test I mean we've talked plenty about how I think and I think we think this is one one of if not the Best Patriots Defense we've seen in the Tom Brady era anything from Buffalo. They're going to have these kind of ofensive. You've Downer output games at times me. Josh Allen is pretty inconsistent but he's also they're also going to have spiked week games and we've seen a good combination of those in the first three games. This is getting a really tough test because there's almost no question I think in my mind that Stefan Gilmore is going to be on John. Brown and they're going to force worse the bills to work through guys like like Kobe's Louis and Dawson knocks a really interesting rookie rusher scored his first touchdown since high school. Oh Dawson Knox did not wear a single touchdown during his college career at Ole miss his first touchdown since high school last week but yeah I mean this is going to be a really interesting real life game. I think New England Buffalo and not necessarily the best fantasy YEP agree Let's move to Cincinnati non if you notice and I'm sure you did but a guy that I played in preseason I think once or twice in a guy that I know you liked in preseason. Auden tate ended up playing the AJ AJ green quote Unquote A. J. Green Role six catches for eighty eight yards on ten targets thirty four routes on thirty eight Andy Dalton dropbox. I don't see anybody talking about Austin. Tate on the waiver wire I don't know if you find anything interesting there with him whatsoever. He's a big dude who who can certainly physically dominate some opposing defensive backs yeah. He was kind of like the successor at Florida State to Kelvin Benjamin. Is that big a jump all receiver. I have not even looked at the Cincinnati the offense yet because this game on Monday night slate and we're doing this pretty early on Tuesday so I don't have any thoughts. I know that Joe Mix and just from having booked actually had a pretty good team but I don't have any definitive take takeaways to move onto the next one yeah yeah. I think it's I mean it's really tough sledding for the way. Cincinnati's offensive line is playing Joe Mixon right now CLEVELAND. I made a big move Evan. It's so funny like they go from thinking that dearest Johnson should should be their third down back to one week later not like mixing it in or whatever instead Nick Chubb in week three plays sixty seven snaps at the running back position. Everyone else plays zero zero. You know it's like they're just like so rash and Freddie Kitchens is coming under a lot of heat for his play calling not letting todd mahnken called the place Freddie Kitchens after the game comes down says now there's no question to keep calling the plays I don't know man. Cleveland offense does not look good right now and I was really high on them before the year Is there any hope I mean is Freddie Messing this whole thing up. I think there are team. That's GONNA look really bad for a while because their schedule is just absolutely brutal title for the next three or four games and then they wind up finishing pretty strong in the second half but that's not good enough season-long leagues like I'm just taking the L. on Baker Mayfield it dropping him and just streaming is another lesson. You know don't don't draft mid round quarterbacks in season law. Just I mean if you WANNA get nuts did did not take you know mahomes early. Take a watson relatively early or just wait until the double digit around don't mess around with the Baker Mayfield so just just dropping him that the offense is in absolute disarray right now. It's maybe the most discombobulated offense in the NFL Baker Mayfield does not trust. It's just protection one iota nor should he because he's dealing with as Brandon soreness pointed out since August fifteenth when we were July Fifteenth Eighteen twenty or whenever his article went up in late July. He's been pointing out with his bat offensive. I I thought they could work around it but they're doing the exact opposite things things that you do when you're trying to work around a bad offensive line there there route debts from their play calls are not even matching the down and distance like when they're on third and long thirty nine. They're having their receivers Ron. A twenty five or downfield routes and backer Mayfield is just constantly like scrambling to his right and delivering a throwaway or forcing pass it. It's an absolute disaster. I really don't and with Ray Kitchens Continua just being like Oh. It's all just take the boy. I'll just take the buying. I know that what he thinks. He thinks that he's doing something something like noble in sticking up for his players by doing that but you you also have to make changes. They are not helping their quarterback. They are you know they're they are not helping their quarterback in their quarterback needs help because of how bad is offensive line is and it's it's an absolute disaster oto back home is is going to be properly up and down. Jarvis Landry really really haven't seen anything from him. That's discouraging. They already lost David Giokoo. Yeah we'd have to really really really lower expectations for much the entirety of this offense yeah go into Baltimore in week. Four has ever mentioned schedule's not doing them any favors the Denver broncos showed up with their run game on Sunday Philip. Lindsay had a really game he was forty three hundred on draftkings and maybe should have considered him more I did not but still remains a pretty given timeshare Royce Freeman to get banged up in this game but did come back in. We had a really good fade. I many Sanders was owned and I think on both sides because he was really cheap and his box scores in week one and two. I was happy that we maintained in had a full fade on any senators in week three anything anything from the broncos trip to Green Bay Royce Freeman had an eighteen yard touchdown called back due to a holding Paneriai on Emmanuel Sanders Portland Southern Gotten. I think it has really started to quietly made a year to leak because the focus has so much been on Emmanuel Sanders and his comeback but coralline sudden has been pretty darn promising in early going Nova Fan continues to run a ton of routes and play a ton of snaps mistake prone to get strip for a fumble by Ajayi Alexander last week but I think that he is really an excellent tight end to hold for going forward especially in Titan in these f. f. e. c. elites like if you see him on the waiver wire grab him. I think that he is going to continue to get better as you know he came out is really really young. He's pretty raw but man their their feet and are putting a lot of opportunity on his plate his big playability and I think we're GONNA see him. Take advantage of that more as we move forward I had two notes is on the Houston Texans first of all Kenny stills severely out snap Kiki Kutai in that number three wide receiver spy believing that leading the Texans in receiving yards Kenny still did and then also man. I thought this was a reasonable spot for do Johnson. I mean they got down seven nothing early. They were down seventeen seven at the half and still do Johnson. Only two carries reason three targets on twenty-eight snaps man. It's tough for do Johnson's if he's not going to get involved in a big way in this setup. It's scary the thoughts on Duke steals in Texans Texans were behind you know pretty significantly in the first half and then entering a second half and Shawn Watson just you know Shawn Watson and trail mode like I'll take him over anyone except for probably like Patrick Mahomes and he winds up with a really really big week. He's been a top four finish back in two of the first three weeks with yet with Duke. Johnson just got a downgrade them to like an rb four stash at at this point. Bill O'Brien has fallen in love with Carlo side but you can't even use Carlos High. I mean his best game his best game so far in fantasy was week to get twenty carries for ninety yards zero catches he had nine fantasy points that you don't want to nine fantasy point so it's become you're still really really bad situation for fantasy because they're sitting down the guy that could be a solid fantasy producer. At least they're not shoveling touches on still a fifty fifty split in terms of snaps last week but they're not shoveling touches on Duke. Johnson's played a are under Carlos High. Recall was high is a bad fantasy player. Yeah Yeah I mean the commerce high thing reminds me of Gore and Peterson et Cetera et Cetera. It's like you know even if you get fifteen carries at a cheap price. It's not that good because you have to have a touching. They don't catch any passes. You don't have any explosive plays. Gore had like fourteen point five last week. I know I know not outcome for Gore. I mean home against the bengals. Any it's fourteen points. Okay the colts. I mean not only did they lose. Andrew luck to your retirement but they lose Devin funchess which whatever dump which is that good but you're still starting receiver for them. Now looks like they're gonNA lose. He's t y Hilton aggravated squad injury in that game they're very well coached. They're very good offensive line. There reasonable defensively Koby perset is better than people realize. It's getting hard for them to sustain any kind of offense especially without T. Y. Hilton was really mean so so so much I could see them going going back to a lot of twelve formations and using Eric Brown more DC Any value coming into light now assume that ty home's GonNa Miss Because they've just been using such a wide ranging rotation they they did let Jacoby percent open it up a little bit last week n. a. and you're right. They're so good at so well coached forty season forty percent of his attempts in week three came off play action on play action passes eleven fifteen eleven eleven fifteen for one hundred sixty three yards and a touchdown so you know they did start out just extremely extremely conservative and run heavy. Maybe we'll we'll see them. Open it up a little bit as the season progresses but without T. Y. Hilton I just I don't know I mean I guess the first guy that I would look at probably is Paris Campbell over Hebron. I mean Ebro and doyle genus. This makes that such an unreliable situation I think even dating back to last year. They are going to be facing the raiders this week. We'll talk about it on Friday. Show yeah okay the Jacksonville Jaguars man like if you just didn't watch the game on Thursday and you just showed up and look to the boxer you back Leonard Fournette at fifteen carries sixty six yards he had six catches. You know that's a reasonable game. What you would have missed is that on Leonard Fournette four hundred and four nights carries. He gained like negative six yards. I mean it was was ridiculous. I'm kind of getting to the point online for net. We're like yeah. He's touching the ball on ninety percent of The running back touches coaches. He's he's playing in the past game. He has it's amazing setup but for whatever reason it's just not clicking for him and I don't WanNa overrate like there. I you know all about opportunity but at the time I don't want to completely overrated and be blind to everything else I don't know what did you take away from Lennon for nets game in the Jacksonville on Thursday today yes. Scott Perry did a great tweet where it started off with like you wrote. The first run was negative. Six seven was negative for the third one was negative you know and then and then he was literally like you built up and finally he had like a long run of like six through like nineteen. Jerry's and then on the twentieth youth one you went for sixty eight yards body blows right body blows air stat establishing their own exactly that's exactly how you're established there but his touch counts have gone up each week. Leonard Fournette Seventeen in nineteen to twenty one week three three snap rates eighty six percent ninety seven percent one hundred percent. He is fourth among running backs in routes run and his fifth in Tar pits when you watch him play is like tip use a tip tone dancer right now who does not does not trust as blocks and again and this is not like criticizing him for not trusting his boxers or reason that he wouldn't trust is blocked because they're untrustworthy. I see I kind of think that he is a little bit of a by hi though because I do think that they can get this figured out in week five week four they face it the broncos without Derek Wolfe and then they face the Panther Panthers Without Cam Newton although they may be better with a Kyle Allen which is the way that looks so far and then they faced the same without drew brees and then they face the bengals so oh. I think they've got some positive James Script forthcoming in. I don't think this usage is going to go so I I actually would by the opportunity opportunity obviously would have to be for the right price not necessarily going out of my way but I there's no question that letter. Leonard Fournette fantasy owner in your league is frustrated because he has zero touchdowns. Yeah I mean Philly's frustrating and scare the other thing going on in Jacksonville Dj Shark is becoming a hot waiver wire pickup. Are you on board with that and we're gonNA compare some of these other waiver receivers here in a second when we get to fill door set but I'm just curious you can give if some people some background on DJ charge and what you think about him as a waiver pick up just a really really fast guy and has obviously developed a connection with Gardner Gardner Minzhu. You know he can make big plays. Gunderman shoe has been almost unsustainably effective on downfield on field throws He's only got six only six passes of twenty us yards and he's hit five of them but he's mainly a a short ball passer and when he's thrown short he's thrown into D. Westbrook who's been the worst player in the NFL through three games. You know him in. OJ Our so you know I mean just d-westbrook just a painful touchdown draw on Thursday night. He's got three drops over his last two games teams. lost a catch dude his own pass interference flag forty nine yards on fourteen targets over the last two in garden. Choose to start still leads the team in targets. Let's I mean the US has twenty targets as five more than DJ Shark from Gardner Menchu but the levels of play have just been totally different so it's a situation of organic continue to bet on the opportunity that you Westbrook is is getting or we're going to bet on the efficiency of Dj sharp because they've just been playing at different levels. Let's go to Kansas City. Damian Williams sat out this game with a knee contusion. I haven't heard anybody say that. It's serious we'll we'll see on his status with trauma. Koi came with an ankle injury seemed like he was playing at less than one hundred percent appeared to aggravate it late so Thera Williams actually led the way in this backfield Darwin Thomson Barely Played Now Daryl Williams has become a hot waiver. Adam and I get it right like anybody with a path to touches in this offense is someone that people should be excited about. I'm curious what you think of their Williams and how you would compare him to rex burkhead and Wayne Goldman on the waiver wire. I think I would go with Goldman and birkhead over him. Sierra Williams is still in a situation where in his touches are just so shaky week to week. I mean it's a good offense but there's I mean. I don't think he's going to run away with starting running back job. You know like I think that birkhead actually is to the point where you can envision him being the Patriots lead back here or at least sharing it with James Whitey for an extended period of time and then a Goldman certainly is going to be the lead back for as long as Saquon Barkley is out in an offense offense that mainly just predictably looks way way better as we were anticipating since you know since we started doing these odd gas with Daniel Johnston getting shell shell the corpse of Manning removing him from the offense and putting in some with some athleticism and willingness to throw the football downfield. We'll talk about that much more on NFC podcast us but just I would want to bet on a guy that has a chance to run away with the job rather than a guy like Williams did play okay well against the Ravens but I think he's just always to be committee back. In this offense yeah and stay tuned to the injuries you know we'll do the best we can to keep you you guys up to date on twitter about injuries. Damien Williams Trauma Koi because obviously that's important the chargers continued to just be one of the best fantasy fantasy spots in the league because they are so condensed and predictable right. They're compensating for bat offensive line. They're compensating for no hunter Henry by throwing short and quick to Keenan Allen in Austin cler a ton. I mean it's just awesome for full. PBR Like I've played Keenan an earlier every week. I don't have any takeaways here other than they're playing the dolphins this weekend. They're going to be popular and and I understand why it's just more of the same. I'm for the chargers yeah. I think this would be an interesting. GP Week for Justin Jackson. You know we kind of saw the effect last week with Tony Pollard already went off in the chargers are GonNa be incentivized this week to just you've Justin Jackson a whole lot more work talk about that in matchups in as we move forward this week on the Friday show all right you pooh-poohed Preston William's idea last week and it was close to really going off. I mean he had eighty six yards. I think on four catches but Josh Rosen going back to the preseason loves throwing depressing. Williams continued onto the regular season. I think you can call Preston Williams the number one wideout for the dolphins now of course that doesn't mean he's going to be effective or he's worth playing on a week to week. Basis just aren't out there though I don't really have much else on Miami. Yeah devante Parker continues to be among the league leaders in areas but Hermes Meyer is on the verge of redacting him right. Is that allowed how'd yeah yeah he did with Kelvin Benjamin last year 'cause Kelvin. Benjamin kept going into the Bilo model every week and he was just like redacted. You know we're not doing the same God Yeah Bilo Motto This past week by the way it was nice to obviously Mike Evans was obvious when I think people were on that but I Adele scheduling was one that piqued my insurance by being on the Bilo Model Chris Harris on Davante Adams so so yeah that was good anyways. We're not GONNA talk about Miami Lot. There is lots of talk about with New England's within the context of James. White getting hurt sorry with James. White not playing due due to his wife having baby join. Elvin getting hurt right before halftime within that context. I still think that Philip door sets is notable. you made a tweet about how James Devlin's injury effects Philip Door said I mean and and I would say that going back to last year. Tom Brady has been extremely streaming effective extremely comfortable throwing to Dorset. His catch. Rate is through the roof. He has eight touchdowns on his last sixty four targets. you know Tom. Brady likes during this guy and filter said I believe it was a former first round. Pick if I'm not mistaken of the colts like there's actually some talent here so I would really like Philip door set as a pick up to me. He's better than DJ charge. He's better than Agla. He's better than Preston Williams as pickups. I'm curious your take on this whole new New England situation yeah we got him in in on one of our F- F. E. C. main event teams. He scored six of these scored. A touchdown on six of the last is ten. Tom Brady touchdown passes as pretty amazing step shadow to Brian Paddick in on on our SEO crew team but yet he he's been super super efficient. He benefited obviously from his stock has just been BRECON skyrocket. Okay first of all we pointed out last week that there's no end in New England so the target distribution gets kind of narrow so that helps you also like the retirement of Rob Gronkowski helps the cutting Antonio Brown helps young stock was up a little bit more James Definitely goes on injured reserve now only two teams in the NFL that use a full back a lot the patriots in the forty niners for retirement US check and like that removes the ability of of the Patriots to use these fullback packages like twenty one personnel or I mean they did sign this international. Do Jacob Johnson last week off their practice squad only snaps. You played last week growing. You'll doubts so I mean they're not gonNA. They're not gonNA trust him like they did James Devlin so you're taking away like Alsan entire personnel packers that they use it like twenty thirty percent clip and now they're best personnel package. Is there eleven personnel package where you have doing element you have to set and you have Josh Gloria and you use Brian is or low cost as a blocker and you know you you you you are essentially you essentially become spread team. They may even start to use four receiver ten personnel with Jacoby Myers but either way Philip Morris set benefit also just their running game his stone and this is not a team that is going to continue to do things that are you know inefficient like they're going to self scout and they're going to put their best personnel on the field and Philip at this point is like a member of all old all of their best personnel packages so I I mean. I still think he's going to be a little bit up and down. You think you're still going to be kind of spiked week player but he's GonNa be you know in the mix as a wide receiver three flex every single week in tournament play every single week at Buffalo but he's definitely a guy that I would prioritize the waiver wire ars if he's available yeah and you mentioned the spot for Rex burkhead I mean I I agree that. It's it's surprising that Bella shake has a so infrequently been or so been imposed using Sony Michelle in the past game like all the off season rhetoric was also and he's so much better in the past game. I mean it's so ones mentioned when Sony comes in right now now. They're clearly better offense when REX burkhead is in there I don't know if it's because Bell Jack thinks that Sony incapable or whatever but for no matter what you saw it on a on Sunday even with the Patriots winning and crushing the whole game it was still rex burkhead more in the future goal now the Concern Ping expert Ken and blowing a lot of money on Rex burkhead doc is well James White's coming back and he's going to take a lot of Rexburg heads target projection but if you think that rex is GonNa continue to handle work inside the ten yard line at the expense of Sony and taste life. If an awful lot of that early down work will then we have a nice role for REX. I I don't know I haven't I know you're super biased on REX. He's like your favorite player in NFL history but do you have any any unbiased takes for the only player owns Jersey number. The trend man and I didn't listen to myself enough on this because I I've been on this train for a while. The trend in the Patriots backfield has been every year by the cheapest one and two dozen Sixteen League Garrett Blonde was an eleventh round pick for most of the off season and he went to lean. NFL in in the touchdown rushes in two thousand seventeen. No one wanted Dion Lewis. No I mean he went undrafted. You wound up being the league where later that year he needed todd Gurley or Dion Lewis or both to really win in the fantasy. Playoffs doesn't eighteen last year. No one wanted James. He wound up rex perk up like benefits six round pick James White was going in like the tent consistently you wound up scoring twelve touchdowns kinda faded down the stretch but he was he the League winner for the first ten or so weeks of the season and then this year there was a kind of a debate between who is is the cheapest one clearly wound up being expert you know because it was Damian Harris you know like the he was known like in the ninth or tenth and then burkhead was just kind of off the radar and birkhead now is looking like the running backs own in New England legitimate with the spread sets. That's going to hurt show me. Michelle and it's going to benefit rex haircut and James White Yep. Let's move onto the jets. I don't have much to say other than there's optimism that Sam darnold could be back in a couple of weeks until then. I don't see how I could pull the trigger on any jets. Anything different jets no but I will say that. I think that we should continue to Stash Robbie. I I I would say that. Chris Herndon is coming back in week six. It looks like Sam Darnold is going to be back in week five. I was talking with Aaron Schatz of football outsiders late late last week in there. SOS projections the jets have one one of the toughest schedules in the NFL to begin the year and have one of the softest going forward so I know it does not feel comfortable right now but a hanging onto system jets or you know like picking up some jets if you see him on the waiver wire. I don't think that's crazy forward looking decision at all. I think this is another offense offense. That just starts off poorly and kinda finishes fairly strong in the second half of the year the Oakland Raiders. I mean they're waller. I didn't think Dan Waller going to Minnesota really had that in him but he just continues to just be in his usage is out of control out of all tight ends in the league. I mean you can make a case that Darren Waller might actually have the best usage in terms of routes run per dropback in the slot red zone usage etcetera etcetera so that's about all I have to say about the raiders. Darren Waller's just straight baller yeah. His target right now is massive. I mean it's like almost forty percent just for in it'll probably come. I'm down but I don't know I. I think he might lead. NFL in all tight ends target's share like I think that this actually can keep up now gets Kohl's which is just one of the nut matchups for tightening solid super-g last week yep the colts. Just want you to throw your tight ended. Actually is and we'll talk about Arizona too when we get to the Friday show and we talk about matchups more but definitely Arizona cold. I look like to place and we WANNA use Titans against the steelers dealers madman. This one hurt Evan. James Washington played almost every snap Dante. MARKLE was inactive. Switzer barely played James Washington had a bomb like I think he would have caught it and maybe scored but it looks like a purposeful or we're almost purple pass interference that he drew but you know now no excuses the Sharon area failed down to Johnson out produced James Washington overall though I thought usage was good and there'd be better spots for Mason and Rudolf and Dante Johnson and Washington San Francisco and as crazy as that sounds like Richard Sherman continues to play at a high level this front four. We've talked a lot about how much draft capital they've invested in it. It's really good now. McDonald's her to which could in theory help James Washington and Deonte Johnson so disappointing overall but I think they'll find mind better spots what you see in Pittsburgh. Yeah just Rudolf with over in this game and I was squeak this one out big time because it was forty three. He landed on forty four and I'm watching. It lives with like two minutes. Three minutes left in the forty. Niners have the ball in the red zone deep in the steelers territory and you know I need. I need a touchdown extra point to get over and Garoppolo fumbles loses a fumble and then the steelers give it right back on a James Connor fumble and I'm just like Oh my God you know who here's our chance and Garoppolo sticks on in there to Dante feticide just erupt it was it was it was it was awesome but it was I mean I was literally sweating need this bad but yeah what a Rudolph stunk. I mean Rudolph was really bad. You know we talked about on I. I think it was on the Friday show. I was on the Tom Savage to nick foles spectrum because he's like kind of a kind of a slow footed but aggressive dude who oh you know might be kind of high variance with us on the Tom Savage side of that spectrum in week three really unimpressive in you know again. It wasn't the best match up. It wasn't the best spot but I definitely expected him to move the ball better than he did. You didn't wind up hitting a couple of long touchdown down. Passes Wants Johnson wanted you Smith Schuster but overall. It was not a It was not a promising effort from him. He goes back home in week four on Monday night against Cincinnati. He better look a lot better. You know it's a very similar situation like Mitchell trubisky like you need to be able to capitalize relies on the weak defenses and trubisky this past Monday night did enough We'll talk about that more on the show. Yep last team the AFC is the Tennessee titans written. I mean it's just like such boring football to watch and they're using this rotation at wide receiver and you know. I don't really have anything good to say about Tennessee whatsoever. I Dunno if if you had anything now I mean that week one game. Kinda gave some hope against Cleveland. Arthur Smith came out looking smartest first. I game has a no see this offense as given up four four nine sacks in their first games still a week away from Taylor. The one they're suspended spend a left tackle. A returning Derrick Henry at least has been a consistent so far. He's got twenty touches. Seventeen touches eighteen touches. He's got a touchdown in all three games not catching a lot of passes but it does draw the Falcons this week. Dion Lewis has not been a factor. Dr Delany Walker has been kind of okay but yeah I mean the receivers. It's IT'S A. It's a big rotate. Let's Davis is the clear one but but he certainly hasn't produced like through just Marcus Mariota has been train wreck and after that Thursday night game I wanted to Kinda you know like start writing about the titans for week. Four and I kind of pulled back is I was like man. Is He. GonNa get bench for Ryan Tannehill. Okay that's going to do it for this. AFC team by team podcast for the NFC version go savage to run DOT COM. If you're subscribe you'll be able to download it there. I know you guys are hoping and wanting us to find a way to get the pod onto onto itunes or another form that but also behind the pay wall surprisingly as I found out and we found out behind the scenes here that is actually more difficult than we realize so we're working on it. We're trying but anyways thank you for listening to this. AFC team my team version hope to see you guys for the NFC team by team version four Evan for Jerry for producer Luke. I am Adam good luck. Everybody uh-huh

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