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Devil's Bargain

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1:25:18 hr | 10 months ago

Devil's Bargain

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We didn't really have any idea who she was wall. She told us everything picking up things that were spotted. This woman knew about a murder covered up the things that were thrown into the fire by me were the belonging from healthy. How she could have stopped this from happening? He had a hold on her that he totally exploited in this whole thing is crazy. Took my breath away. Here's Andrea Canning win devils sparking Bomb chairs shared long cable. There's a hobby lobby thing. You're witnessing something highly unusual. A woman at the center of a murder investigation and reconstructing the scene of the gruesome crime. You only saw in here. What you cleaned up the her name is Christopher Lee Kenny former nurse and one time Rodeo queen a a mother of two small children were the key player in the murder case of another young mother? I also all the clothing that during watch carefully. is she a witness an accomplice or something else and was the sentence. She received last week Teheran. Just or just the opposite you call this making a deal with the double tonight. We'll take you inside the investigation instigation with new photos and video. You've never seen before. We'll hear from the investigators who cracked the case speaking publicly for the first time it was horrific and from family members living through it all giving their first ever interview. I still wait for the call. Healthy can't be gone. Our story begins with a most unremarkable seen in November twenty second two thousand eighteen. A mother with her baby was captured on security camera at a local store in Colorado. Buying last minute grocery groceries for Thanksgiving dinner but this video would go viral because it was the last time she was ever seen in public her name. Kelsey Berith MHM more than a week after that Thanksgiving Day. Chelsea's MOM Cheryl was home in Idaho with a nagging feeling. She last spoken to her daughter on the phone. Thanksgiving morning Kelsey was preparing to have dinner with her fiance Patrick phrasing and their daughter Kayleigh small. Basically she'd fixed kaley cinnamon rolls. Kind Kinda celebrate thanksgiving. And we didn't like them. She wanted the honey nut cheerios. Two days after that Cheryl received a text from Chelsea's phone saying I'll call you tomorrow But Kelsey didn't call at first. That wasn't surprising. Kelsey juggled motherhood as well as looking for a home so she and Patrick who lived on a ranch with his mom could move in together. She also had a demanding job as a flight instructor. She's a busy lady. She works long shifts. She spends a lot of time with Kalia picks alive to be a mom. A working. Mom Still Kelsey rarely went this long without calling so after about a week Cheryl called Chelsea's fiance Patrick Rick. He told her he'd last seen Kelsey on Thanksgiving Day when he'd picked up their daughter and then he said something that took Shero completely by surprise he told her Kelsey had called and had broken up with him and seemed to have taken off. I can't think of anywhere she's ever gone. She hasn't told me. This is the plan Dan. It's just not in her character. Just take off and begun. Shirl called to ask if we've heard from Kelsey and we hadn't Scott Kim more and more calcium aunt and uncle. The family was growing more anxious by the minute. I remember laying in bed just calling Kelsey phone leaving a message to have her call me. It was now ten days since Cheryl had last spoken with her daughter. She called the police what happened on day. One of this investigation December second was day. One show birth called in a missing person for Kelsey. Chris Adams is now with the Colorado Ratto Bureau of Investigation but back in December two thousand eighteen he was with the Woodland Park. PD and led the investigation into calcium disappearance. This this is his first time speaking out about the case and officers were dispatched. Initially went out to her house. Tried to make contact. Were unable to no one answers. Correct Cheryl's anxiety. Turn to panic. She and Chelsea's brother's set off for Colorado. She calls back and says Clinton I are flying down down prey. It's like chilling. Even just hearing you say that. Yeah as Chelsea's family agonized over her whereabouts. Investigators went back to her condo. We're just trying to find evidence where she may have gone. Did she leave behind her phone. Her purse anything that would be out of the ordinary. We never found her phone her purse or keys. Both vehicles were out in the driveway. She's got a black sedan and a Red Chevy truck also in the CONDO. Investigators instigators found Kelsey makeup bag. Something her family said she never travelled without him on the stove. Cold Cinnamon Buns. That evening realized certain things weren't add up the cars air but not the keys. She's a young mother. Kid Sort requested assistance from the FBI. And See Greg. That's when you enter the case. Yes Greg. Slater is also an agent with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. He's been in law enforcement for thirty five years. This too is his first time speaking about the investigation. And what are your initial thoughts. You Know I. You're thinking all right. We have a missing mom check inside the House to see if there's any type of struggle that may have taken place. We recommended that they start calling around to local hospitals to see if she was there by now. Investigators had found a grocery store receipt on calcium kitchen table. It was dated November. Twenty second Thanksgiving Thanksgiving Day. They pulled the security footage from the grocery store and there was Kelsey. They started to build a timeline of her whereabouts. Meanwhile Cheryl and Kelsey brother arrived in Woodland Park and stayed at Chelsea's Condo they spoke with investigators Cheryl recalling her last conversation with Kelsey thanksgiving morning. She's been happy. She's been wanting to decorate for Christmas and excited about that. She was planning her Christmas list. Her the job was going well. Investigators also spoke with Chelsea's fiance. Patrick was Patrick Cooperative. He was Patrick told investigators the same thing he he told Cheryl he had last. Seen Kelsey Thanksgiving Day. He said he picked up. Baby Kaley in the alley by calcium home. He also went to the local credit union and Walmart Walmart intended to his cattle in the afternoon. Sure enough security camera footage showed him at the Credit Union and Walmart. Patrick also gave the investigators has cell phone. What do you find on Patrick? Phrase's phone. Who for the text message exchange between Patrick and Kelsey investigators gators found texts? That backed up his story that Kelsey had broken up with him on the phone. Two days after Thanksgiving Patrick had messaged if this is truly what you want. Don't respect your wishes and give space. Let me know if you change your mind. I'll leave you alone now. You can call me when you decide what you WANNA do. Text messages passages the day after showed calcium distress one. Read do you even love me and Patrick replied. Why would I bend over backwards and stand behind you through everything thing? If I didn't so to answer your question yes I do. He told investigators that was the last time he heard from her Chelsea's manager at the flight. White School said he also received a text from Chelsea's phone. What did it say not to expecter in there? She's going to visit her grandmother and investigators had to consider calcium profession and pilot. Did you look at airports that maybe she had taken a plane somewhere to get away. Personally I did no flight. Plans were filed no sightings of Kelsey to find Kelsey. The investigators needed to know more about her they dug deeper and uncovered complicated life. Where was Kelsey? We're treating Kelsey disappearance as a missing persons case at this time. Kelsey we just want you home. mm-hmm we won't quit looking a mystery West just beginning and one woman would hold the key. We didn't know how vital she was going to be. She was smart enough to realize that. I can't hide this part of me. Wants to strangle pardon wants to hugger fearless list determined. Always up for a challenge. That's what Chelsea's mom Cheryl was telling investigators about her daughter. Who Vanished on Thanksgiving Day? She's a good person. She's very dedicated very loyal reliable. She loves God could ask for a better daughter. Kelsey grew up up on her family's farm near Moses Lake Washington about one hundred miles from spokane Kelsey was a light. She lit up a room. She's she lit up your heart. Kelsey uncle Scott is a pastor at the Holmdale friends community. Church near Boise Idaho. He and his wife. Kim had a very close respond with Kelsey. This is their first and only interview about the case she. She was smart if she was determined to do something she fought. She put it Paul and she. She's an incredible woman to watch. You wanted to be with Kelsey. You wanted to hang out with her. You wanted to hear what she had to to say. At some point she's going to make you laugh. Kelsey discovered her lifelong passion at a very young age. She loved thinking about about flying from watching crop dusters on the farm. She actually wanted to be a crop duster yes for a time she that would have been her dream. Job for a time was being a crop duster. You don't hear that every day that I'm a little girl. No I think it was exciting. She was fascinated with it. She loved a challenge. After high school Kelsey enrolled in a flying program at her local community. College Kelsey graduated and eventually landed a job as a flight instructor structure in Spokane. She also dipped her toe in the world of online dating around Christmas. Two Thousand Fifteen. Someone piqued her interest his name and was Patrick phrasing. We knew he was a rancher. We knew he was successful at the time we knew that he was a Farrier as a farrier Patrick trich trimmed and shoot horse hooves lived on his family's ranch more than eleven hundred miles from Kelsey in fluorescent Colorado. But the distance didn't seem to matter sadder over the next year their relationship flourished. I think they were online interactions. For months he came down and they met each other in in person It was a few months later. We found out that she was heading to Colorado. In two thousand Seventeen Kelsey found work with doss aviation flight school for. US Air Force trainees. She was sort of getting the best of both worlds being able to fly be able to have a ranch. She'd loved being outdoors. So this was this was good. This is good news so you must have been happy for her and there was more good news. Calcium Patrick learned they. They were expecting show always wanted to be. A mom. Show is wanted to family pilot and family that October. They welcomed daughter Kayleigh. As soon as Kelly was born. She was loved in. May Two thousand eighteen Kelsey moved into a condo in Woodland Park. It was a twenty minute drive from Patrick's family ranch and the flight school was about an hour in the opposite direction. It was a stressful situation. As the new parents took turns carrying Kaley. Patrick was a hands on dad often taking Kayleigh with him on barrier job. Small Kelsey was away at work here. Diesel wool socks that he put on top off of her other socks. Clinton Kline a longtime client of Patrick's saw firsthand. How Patrick doted on his daughter? He had this'll jumpsuit far and he kept her where he could see her and he very good care of that little girl while one was working the other one had her and vice versa. They seem to have that going pretty well. So everything's coming together for Kelsey. Perhaps not everything as investigators put together their timeline. They found that by Thanksgiving thanks. Giving Kelsey appeared run down the day after the holiday. Patrick received a text from Chelsea's phone saying actually. Do you mind keeping Kaley tonight night. Sorry I'm really tired and stressed out. Call me in the morning when you guys wakeup Patrick replied with concern. Sure I don't mind what's going on are you okay. Do you need anything or can I do anything. The response seemed to come from an exhausted. Kelsey no I'm fine just worn born out. Talk to you guys tomorrow. Not long after that those tax dried up and no one seemed to know where Kelsey was but Patrick's friend Clinton and had an idea. He said he knew another side of Kelsey altogether. Coming up new questions surrounding Kelsey. Had she vanished before she disappeared for some time frame disappeared. He didn't know where she was and where was her God. One does that concern you at all. But the guns missing it does. When dateline continues mm-hmm as police stepped up the hunt for missing mom Kelsey Berith her disappearance? It's made the news. We are treating Kelsey disappearance as a missing persons case at this time. I just like to talk to you a little bit about Kelsey. She's not the kind that runs off. This is completely out of character. Kelsey we just want you home. Plus if he can't we won't quit looking. Patrick Patrick did not attend the news conference about his missing fiancee. Four days later police served a search warrant at his ranch lot of development over the weekend in the search for for that young Colorado mother who vanished mysteriously more than three weeks ago now on Patrick's ranch they took these photos being shown on. TV for the first time including this one Patrick's list of what he did. The day Kelsey disappeared. He'd written down picked up. Kaley ranch went to Walmart that and he puts check handle has been home. Having Thanksgiving Dinner Day had come in to check displays and they didn't find anything they were moving on. Did he sound up. Sat at all shouted concern but Patrick's friend. Clint wasn't especially concerned. That Kelsey was missing. He says Patrick had already confided to him. Kelsey Chelsea had issues and sometimes just took off by herself. Leaving Patrick in the baby she disappeared for some time. Frame disappeared. Here here know where she was. She laughed and then the next thing he knew she had checked into a rehab. What did he think happened during those days he he didn't know he just said that after she got out of the Rehab that first time she went into Rehab a second time is what he told me alcohol drugs? What are gathered was circle hall? Lent believed maybe Chelsea's Thanksgiving disappearance was another relapse of some kind. When you first heard that Kelsey had disappeared? Heared did your mind go back to those times that Patrick had told you about the fact that she would disappear. That's what my first thought was. Well she's in Rehab Begin somewhere and she'll show up twenty days or so. Whatever the Rehab timeframes are that she'll show back up but Kelsey we didn't show back up? You don't know anything about this woman. So is that one possibility that you have to consider that. She willingly disappeared that she took her own life. It is as the investigators instigators delved into Kelsey past. They didn't find any evidence of drug or alcohol abuse but did find about three months before Thanksgiving Kelsey Halcion had been to a clinic that treats depression. It's a facility in California where clients pay to go to get over some depression Sleep deprivation Anxiety things of that nature and it was a ten day clinic so it's just more to give Kelsey opportunity to get back to a position. She felt that she could function better Both as a mom and as a pilot Kelsey is not in the best frame of mind. She's ever ever been to go away from your child to go to a like a facility like that you know says to me. She needed to clear her head. I think she was just worn out out and she's trying to figure out. Why am I tired? Why am I feeling you know? Maybe a little depressed. A thousand miles away near Boise. Idaho Idaho Chelsea's family knew. She had bouts of fatigue but said her problems weren't bad enough to make her run away. I don't think she suffered from depression. More than anyone else does. Especially when you're so tired and new New Baby Nubia I would say down day you know. There's time she was more tired and needed some rest I would never put her in that category of depressed. She's definitely had a lot on her plate. She did Patrick had already told police he and Kelsey broke up over Thanksgiving. He said in the days that followed they continued texting to tie up loose ends in Kelsey decided to in their relationship but other than him returning property that belonged to Kelsey her car. Keys her gun. That was the extent of it. The whereabouts of Chelsea's gun was a cause for alarm especially when investigators recalled one of the text messages from Chelsea's phone to her mom on Thanksgiving. It read we went. Shooting today was so much fun. Shooting my gun again. Patrick is going to let me keep it. But when police searched Chelsea's home there was no sign of it. There's no gun in the CONDO. Kurt does that concern you at all. The guns missing it does is one of the things we look for once we learned about it but that could also lead possible suicide scenario that she might have used used the gun on herself. Here you had to seriously consider that we did. Yes but then something completely unexpected happened. That would change the trajectory and tone of the investigation. Chelsea's brother's made a worrying discovery in calcium condo a smudge on the bottom of the toilet violet. That looked like blood. Police hadn't noticed it when they'd been in the condo because they hadn't been looking for forensic evidence if the initial search we are just looking search for evidence of disturbance obvious In any anything that could lead us to work. Elsie is at the moment now. We don't get on her hands and knees lift things up. Look at the bottom of a toilet. We don't do that after. Finding the smudge on the toilet Cheryl and calcium brother took a closer look at the rest of the condo and found suspicious smears on the furniture and appliances. Does this now spark a full blown search of a Condo yes they sprayed Chelsea's bathroom with Blue Star agent a substance that glows on contact with blood suffice to say the bathroom glowed pretty well so that bathroom kind of lit up like a Christmas tree. Correct Chelsea's home was now being treated as a crime scene. The experienced investigators began to suspect she'd been murdered and teams of local state and federal law enforcement agencies descended on the Condo then suddenly suddenly eight hundred miles away there was a baffling new development. That would break the case wide. Open coming up A startling clue from Kelsey cell phone. Chelsea's phone give a location near gooding. Idaho are you thinking. Maybe she's in Idaho right now. That's an intriguing new lead. Enter the Rodeo Queen of Magic Valley. You're really starting to connect dots now. Yes As police in Colorado continued to search for CALC- barrack the trail led unexpectedly to Idaho. Chelsea's phone you. Give a location near Gooding Idaho November twenty fifth at about five thirteen in the afternoon. Calcium phone had pinged off a cell phone tower near this Idaho Gorge George so even though her condo was being treated as a crime scene investigators how to consider the possibility that Kelsey might still be alive and on the move. Are you thinking. Maybe she's in Idaho right now. Maybe she decided to get away and didn't tell anybody any idea where she would have been going Sunni theories about what was in Idaho. Her parents live in. The News. Reached Chelsea's aunt and Uncle Kim and Scott. When you heard that Chelsea's phone had pinged in Idaho? Did that give you just even a glimmer of hope that maybe our instincts are wrong. Maybe she's okay. It did for just a minute. Yeah but it it pinged in the wrong part of Idaho. Chelsea's parents lived in northern Idaho. Her phone pinged in the southern part of the state. And when you leave Colorado and you head to northern Idaho you go through Montana. You don't go through southern Idaho. Kelsey had no reason to be in this part of the state. It just doesn't make sense. That was not the route. Took in the rout though investigators asked the local sheriff's department to check. Check out the location of the pain but they didn't find Kelsey so that dashed your hopes right there. But there was an Idaho connection and when Patrick turned over his cell phone to police they found in Idaho number in his call history and they learned the number belong to a woman. Why did she stick out out this woman in particular the timing of a phone call after the last thing on the twentieth it was? I WANNA say ten minutes gone by between when Chelsea's phone last pain in Idaho that Patrick's records showed this tool eight area code phone number. The woman's name was crystal Lee Kenny. So that it's just this this bizarre timing of and this Idaho connection correct correct and crystal lives in Idaho. Yes crystal and what she might know about. Calcium disappearance suddenly became the most important lead in the investigation. Gatien are you learning more about crystal. Who is she yes? We knew that she had a family that was about it. She didn't have a criminal history or anything like that. Active on social media to an extent into horses ranching that lifestyle. What was her personality like very loving very caring? Laura Stutzman is a friend of crystals and has known her since she was ten years old. She really is the type of girl who would give you with the sheriff of her back crystal worked at a local hospital as a senior registered nurse. She wasn't just a nurse she was good nurse anything crystal did she did it very well. In her early twenties she was even crowned Rodeo Queen of Magic Valley. A title awarded for Beauty. horsemanship chipped and good character. which made her something of a local celebrity? Is it like a really big deal. would she Julia Roberts in two thousand. I don't know my she would probably thicker Julia Roberts because everybody knew and loved crystal. Laura said Rodeo Queens means and body tradition and local people call the Cowboy Code Cowboy Code is living life correctly. It's helping your fellow man. It's helping your neighbor is just being downright and good person honesty integrity community. God You bet. In short crystals crystals seemed like the last person who'd be mixed up in the disappearance of Kelsey Berith nevertheless investigators had to check her out. Because of what they've found in Patrick's call history. What are you seeing between their two phones crystal and Patrick Phone calls? I couldn't put a number on it. Especially from that December twenty seven twenty fifth through December fourth critical critical areas. Yes you're really starting to connect dots now correct. What does that tell? Oh you right there. We need to talk to crystal and find out what's going on by now. The feds were involved in the case an FBI special agent was about to give crystal a call coming up. She says I have no idea who Kelsey Paradis Crystal tells her story Corey and one thing becomes crystal clear. She lied and we could refute. Those lies easily is crystal realizing she's in a whole lot of trouble. Yes when dateline continues. FBI special agent. John Grossing had joined the investigation into Kelsey barracks disappearance and was now dialing the number of the Idaho nurse named Christopher Lee Kenny. When he reached her she was with a group of friends in Las Vegas attending the National Finals Rodeo the Super Bowl of Rodeo identified myself as the FBI said we are looking for a person named Kelsey Peres? She says I have no idea who Kelsey Barrett this the FBI agent kept probing asking crystal if she knew anything about Kelsey cell phone that had pinged off a tower near an Idaho. Gorge I ask her. Are you you aware of the phone. And she says that she heard about it from the news and I said okay. We'll the gorge is only about twenty miles from your house from what we see and she quickly said No. I live at least an hour I don't live near any gorge crystal. was hiding something if you had nothing to do with this. Why are you distancing yourself from a Gord? Wanted any of that make any difference and so I asked again. Did you had no relationship with Kelsey. You didn't know who she was if you ever met her. It's absolutely not no the more they talked. The more suspicious he became. Her story was not solid to start out with first and then got worse as we went on the investigators wondered what crystal might be covering up. She initially said that she didn't know Patrick. But when confronted with well we saw your phone own number in his phone at that point where we have a business relationship and she said she had last talked to Patrick Month or month and a half ago. She couldn't be sure you're the agent asked of crystal had seen Patrick in person. She said well. They texted each other. Happy Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving and crystal stole decided that she would drive down from twin falls Christa told agent grossing. She made the trip because a few months prior she and Patrick had bought a horse horse together and crystal wanted Patrick to buy her out. They both paid four thousand dollars and crystal decided she wanted to use that four thousand dollars to find a new the home but when she arrived in Colorado. Patrick wasn't available so she said she went and slept gestation until he was ready to meet her. She told you'll be agent that in the early afternoon she finally met up with Patrick to talk business. They talked about her selling her half of the horse. He said it's not a good time because he hurt his back. So at five o'clock she gets back in her car and she drives thirteen hours back home. Gruesome put himself in that situation. Something about her story didn't add up. I would be very upset that I drove thirteen hours. He spends four hours with me and I have to drive. Thirteen back said. Why don't you upset about that absolutely not? I was just happy to see Patrick. And he sent a thank. You note to thank you taxed and everything's good between us. The agent wondered if crystals relationship with Patrick was more than just professional said okay. Do you have a personal relationship with Patrick absolutely not and I said okay. Investigators had also gathered cell phone data showing not just calls and texts but locations to we knew that there was a lot of communication education between crystal. And Patrick Leahy also knew that Chelsea's phone may have been also with crystal. Do you confront crystal. When do with what you know now? Now we do say you traveled the same time. Basically that Chelsea's phone winds up that I'm just having a hard time figuring out. I said Patrick ever get in your car. Maybe he dropped the phone in your car trying to give her a reason about this phone. She said that's highly unlikely. It looked like crystal had taken CALC- he's phone to Idaho but why the investigator pulled his net tighter. Said are your texts crystal between you and Patrick only dealing dealing with horses. What are they? She goes there only dealing with horses. I said good. Would you mind if we verified that on your phone. And she said now so at this point she felt uncomfortable. Wanted to end the interview. And that's about where we stopped by the time she finished her call with the FBI. Agent Crystal was the focus of the investigation. Investigators knew they had to confront her in person because she lied. And because we could refute those lies easily they traveled to Idaho so the FBI. I myself and twin falls police department. Go Up to crystal Dory we knock on the door and she comes to the door and deuce ourselves and said we want to talk to her and Crystal voluntarily says yeah come on in we we step inside and talk to her at the couches. Police officers are around and say we have a search warrant here and I said like to talk to see you again. I'm the one that talked to you on the phone. As they stood in crystals home the investigators realized they had leverage a storm remember. Her daughter with huge huge is looking to see what's going on. She was such a family person. She was a charge nurse head nurse their small town nice the house. She had so much to lose by lying and I tell her those things. You have a lot to lose. We know you lied. How she reacting to awesome? She's just sitting there very attentive Not saying much shaking her head agreeing. Uh At that point we just say to her. We know you have a story to provide and we want to hear your story in the end crystal decided to get herself a lawyer and the the investigators left is crystal realizing she's in a whole lot of trouble. Yes Crystal told friends about her situation and it wasn't long before word. Got Out thirty two year old crystal. Kenny you get word that. The police have zeroed in on a woman in Idaho who may have knowledge about what happened to Kelsey. This is a big moment in this case. What are you learning? We learned about her taking the phone. Transporting the phone finally clicked. Oh that makes sense. Why it's in Idaho? And so you know the first question is why. Why would you be involved in this soon? Crystal met again with investigators with her new lawyer present. It was confession time coming up. This is a very important. Don't interrogation Guess Crystal and Patrick. Patrick had some sort of hold on her love and secrets she learns. That Patrick has a daughter. She's kind of like dumbfounded by the whole thing crystal was incensed that Patrick had a baby that he didn't tell her about Crystal Elite Kenny knew. She'd been caught in a series of lies three weeks after Kelsey was reported missing crystal hired a lawyer and went to Colorado for another meeting meeting with investigators. We knew that there was some information that she was going to share with us. We didn't know the exact specifics. This is a very important interrogation to US juice. And that gave crystal some leverage before she talked crystal told them she wanted to make a deal with the local district attorney before before her statement. We didn't know anything. Jennifer vehement is one of the prosecutors who got the case she had to provide a full and complete statement Statement about what happened. Tell US everything. Tell the truth and and come back and testify. When it's needed crystal until promised to do all that and in return prosecutors offered a plea deal a charge carrying a maximum sentence of three years in prison? I think we didn't didn't know the extent of how vital she was going to be to the entire story about what happened to Kelsey birth but they were about to find out plea deal in place crystal started to spill. First of all she confessed her relationship with. Patrick swayze was about a lot more than buying horses and this has been an ongoing on again off again relationship since two thousand six crystal said she. I met Patrick at a dance. When she was twenty that he was her verse true love and she fell hard obsessed with them? Twitter paid it. I think was your term. What was it twitter paid it? I was a term she used. He's what does that mean. The world's great here I am. You know handsome guy. She says she says to us that he appreciated her. You know hey it's nice to have you out here her with me hurting. CATTLEMAN fixing fence crave has improved disapproval. She talked about that. He seemed real power for women. I think the women that he eh after shirt style he did the. Yeah they liked the cowboy. Life's ranching lifestyle as smitten is crystal was with Patrick Metric. He didn't reciprocate. They fell at a touch she got married and had two children but crystal said she never forgot her. First True Love in two thousand fifteen. She rekindled her relationship with Patrick and they started an affair. She got pregnant by him and ended the pregnancy after. She says he got angry at the news after another pause in their relationship crystal reconnected with him when she made a trip to Colorado in two thousand eighteen after she was divorced she she wanted to be with Patrick she wanted to him to totally have love for her. It's not even like she lived down the street. She's driving thirteen hours each time to do this one way. Patrick had some sort of hold on her. That it's rare to see it out there but Patrick had a secret mm-hmm crystal had no idea he was engaged and had a new baby. Crystal did not know about Kaley did not know about Kelsey. So there's no mention At all of Kelsey or Kelly. That all changed a couple of months later fast forward to June of two thousand eighteen when crystals having breakfast actress with some friends she learns. That Patrick has a daughter and she's kind of like dumbfounded by the whole thing but she plays it off by while you know didn't know anything about it and no big deal but about three months before Kelsey went missing in crystal lead onto Patrick that she knew and she simply tells them. I know about the baby Nobel. Kaley You don't have to tell me anything about it if you don't want to but you gotTa know that I know about her at first crystal was incensed that Patrick Cata baby that he didn't tell her about and then she came around to start giving him baby toys and baby clothes and she saw what a good dad he the And they talked about the baby. She said that's when Patrick can find it to her. That fiancee was a deeply troubled woman. You Tells Crystal Kelsey Scott all these problems. She's she's this alcoholic. She's a bad mother. She beats the baby he started telling crystal that Kelsey wasn't abusive mom that he had people watching Kelsey and that he was concerned that Kelsey was going to hurt the baby. If not worse crystal Plame. She told Patrick to report CALC- to the authorities. She said that Patrick said he did go to the police. But Calcium family is influential and the police won't do anything. He's filed complaints with Department of Human Services over. The abuse has gone to the hospital with her is tried to file police reports but nobody will take him seriously. Crystal said Patrick seemed beside himself. You know I can't trust her. She's a drunk she's not working. She's not doing anything she would tell us in the the interview no I I was trying to protect the baby. I didn't want her to hurt the baby. So that's how this whole plan hatches if you will with Crystal Killing Kelsey Chelsea to get rid of her to protect Kaley coming up poison coffee deadly plot to kill because and buys a caramel no Machi auto from starbucks and then she goes up to Kelsey store and knocks on the door. Some terrifying turns lie ahead SPOTTED WHEN dateline continues from Emmy winning filmmaker. Joe Berlinger comes comes a new season of wrong man. 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Correct Crystal told them it all began in the summer of two thousand eighteen when she became convinced that Kelsey Barrett was unstable cruel and a danger to her daughter. She said she was determined to help Patrick. So in September she traveled to Colorado and together. They hatched a plan plant to get rid of Kelsey. They talk about how people can die from. You know overdosing on drugs and whatnot their plan crystal will. The nurse would use prescription drugs to poison. Chelsea's coffee she says. I I can get some Valium Ambien. Maybe I can get those things. Jason Stir it in crystal went to starbucks and bought a Caramel macchiato for Kelsey. That's her favorite coffee drink. So that's what crystal does. She goes and buys as a CARAMEL macchiato from starbucks and parks in an alleyway and then she goes up to Kelsey door and knocks on the door she. She introduces herself as Cassie Johnson. She has she already has an alias. She goes. I'm new to the neighborhood and you put my dog back in the yard. I just wanted to thank you with this. This coffee Kelsey takes the coffee but says I didn't help with your dog She gives Crystal gives Kelsey her phone number and says I'd love to have a play date with you and I have a nephew and Kelsey Snell. My daughter's only ten months old. I don't think we're going to do a play date crystal Christa left but cousy didn't die. Patrick calls and says what happened. He was very angry. He said much angrier words in that and she says what are you talking about. He said she's fine. Did you not poison the coffee. And she says well. Maybe she didn't drink it crystal crystal set a guilt trip followed and so he said if you're going to let her kill the baby then that's on you but that wasn't the end of it. No there was a second attempt this time. A crystal said the plan involved beating Chelsea with a metal pipe to Hanser metal pipe and says this is not that hard when she comes out of the House you hit her in the back go ahead so there's not a lot of blood. She's to beat her and put her in a dumpster and push down. The road crystal takes the metal pipe. She drives to Kelsey place she. It tells us that she parks the car. She's getting out of your car Chelsea's place with the pipe and she hears a dog bark and she gets scared and jumps back in the car and goes and take snap at the CONACO and then Patrick calls her and she says I'm not the right person to do this. And then again he goes. Maybe you don't love the baby but this still isn't the end of it. No Crystal told them a third murder plot took shape when Kelsey returned to her condo after handing over Kaley to Patrick Crystal was supposed to ambush her the third attempt I can unfortunately still see my brain from crystal describing it so well because he tells her to use a baseball bat and quote. Just go to swinging so crystal takes an aluminum bat from her house. In twin falls she drives and she goes instance in Kelsey Front Yard with about in her hand waiting for Kelsey to come home from a baby exchange and she gets out of her car and she sitting on a planter sees a police car drive by. Here's some people and again please. This whole thing is crazy. Yeah just a picture. Her a head nurse sitting with a baseball bat waiting to hit someone in the back of the head. I just still have that image in my mind. I it just bizarre. She she saw. Patrick had this same angry reaction. After she failed on the third attempt he gave her a litany of reasons of why she failed putting more guilt on her crystal claimed she acted only because Patrick four-star to it was Patrick who devised the three schemes to murder Kelsey and she told the investigators she tried to push back. She claimed she asked Patrick if he wanted to kill Kelsey so badly why didn't he do it himself she asked why. Why aren't you taking care of this? And he said you kidding everybody would know. It's me if something happens to her. She said Patrick countered with threats against her and even her children. She said she was scared of patron. If she didn't do it if Patrick's willing to kill Kelsey what would happen to crystal. That's when the outlandish story filter down to Chelsea's family. They too were dumbfounded. The story is so crazy when you think about crystal driving to Woodland Park and I it's going to be. She shows up at the door with coffee than than it's a lead pipe. That's baseball bat. How do you wrap your head around that? I don't think we can. I'll never be able to understand it. Investigators believed they had an inkling. She was madly in love with Patrick and that overruled all her common sense in her judgment even so the FBI agent believed achieved crystal was still responsible. Each of us have that choice. Whether we decide do I have to do this. But according to crystal she didn't have the choice coming. The call basically is you need to come now. A horrifying discovery at Chelsea's Condo over the four. She just walks into this house in her own words. It was horrific And Kristie Kenney had given investigators the incredible account of how three times she had planned to kill Kelsey Barra as as bad as that all sounded. It was about to get even worse. She told them on Thanksgiving Day while at home in Idaho with her family her phone lit up with a message from Patrick. She waits until late in the day to finally call him and then the call basically is you need to come now. You have a mess to clean up. Does he explain what the message snow. No the following day crystal said she continue you to follow Patrick's orders just as she'd been doing all along she got ready. She brings supply cleaning supplies. He asks her to to supplies Fleiss. He doesn't specifically ask you to bring supplies. He just says come prepared in crystal gathered what she thought she'd need she brought A Cover all outfit that they would wear at the hospital to prevent blood borne pathogens and blood through uniforms. Booties a Hairnet In a box of gloves along with trash bags and some bleach. This sounds like it's out of an episode of Dexter. That's a good analogy. Yes so she thinks that I might be going to clean up a crime scene. She doesn't really say it. I mean you don't bring bleach and so that's what you're taking vacation crystal borrowed the friends Volkswagen Passat and once again drove the thirteen hours to Colorado. I don't think she was certain to Kelsey was dead because he had told her. I can't be the one to do this. And so he had her try to do it for three times. Then why would he go ahead and do it now. So she was very conflicted in her. Drive down there. But she told told the investigators when she got to Colorado Patrick removed all doubt. She said he confessed. He'd killed Kelsey and had hidden her body she said Patrick Patrick told her where to find. Keys to Chelsea's CONDO. She picked them up and went inside. What does she say that she saw in her Own Words as soon as she opens a door. It was horrific. And she didn't just tell the investigators. They brought her to Calcio Condo so she could show them on video wpro crystal stepping inside the condo again. This time dressed in a law enforcement hoodie and and Cap Crystal was transformed into the kind of witness. Investigators could only hope for a she led tour of the crime scene with agents. Slater talking over the Does she see body. No she doesn't see the body at that point doesn't work Kelsey. Is She just walks into this house that she again Says is just a horrific scene and then she said she got to work hanging towels over the kitchen window so she couldn't be seen by passersby. We serve I think she used a broom handle to show how high the blood blood splatter was on the walls at times. She seemed emotional apparently fighting back tears. I'm here I haven't seen here and it was all down here. I know that I didn't gets. She told investigators among the things she discovered she. He cleaned was a tooth remember. We're to close Around the school was and as she cleaned she said Patrick called with more instructions. Specifically saying make sure you pick up the stuff that stuff Tells he tells her to wash stuff if he if she can't. She can't do that that so she's got trash bags her own trash bags and the trash bags of Chelsea's to remove debris that's soaked in blood or has blood on if they can't clean Some of Keighley's stuffed animals had blood on them. I'm drapes the drapes. Several other items crystal said the cleanup took about four hours then. She drove to sonic and captured on security camera bought food for herself for Patrick and the baby doc. Per Day wasn't nearly done. There was much more dirty work ahead coming up. You also collected would input into the Birkett Crystal leads investigators to another crime scene more disturbing than the last. He's like we started at this. We're going to finish it. When Dateline Continues Crystal Lee County story was stranger than fiction here? The nurse from Idaho Oh had turned on her longtime boyfriend. Patrick swayze telling investigators. She cleaned the bloody condo after. Patrick Murdered Kelsey there. We're going to ship the the now. She would tell them what she and Patrick did with calcium body. She said he'd hidden it inside a black plastic tote box on a stack of Hay bales at a local ranch. They both drive out to the Nash. Ranch and recover Kelsey is remains. Bring it back to Patrick's place where they burn the body crystal took investigators on another video tour this one of Patrick's ranch where she and Patrick took the tote box. We brought the tope here. We unloaded the Toke Crystal. said she and Patrick Place the box into a makeshift burn pit. You also collected would input input into the burnt hit. At which time he uses. A gas can opens up the lid of the tote and pours gasoline and oil inside and then ignites the fire match. Is it a booking matches or a lighter a match. She said the fire reached with vicious intensity the flames leaping high as some of the trees crystal gathered the trash bags of bloody item. She taken from the Condo and they throw the trash bags in so they're very evidence conscious. I also all the parents shoes that I've been waiting I believe that all of that. I had Austria. Even some of Chelsea's most precious books were tossed into the flames. Do you remember what the books were just. A one of them was her She said that she stood there for hours. As Patrick was churning the fire and making it burn even so not everything everything burned. Investigators most chilling discovery at the burnside. Was this a tooth fragment as she stood with Patrick watching the flames crystal said she didn't want to be there. She kept wanting to go. She kept asking to go from there. I told him he's like no. We started this. We're going going to finish it. So obviously he's bring her in as partner in the homicide and their partnership continued. Patrick directed crystal to take some of calcium belongings mornings with her to Idaho and help create a false trail of evidence. What does he tell her to do with these? According to crystal he said well you're gonNA take the gun we're GONNA get rid of it. You're going to get rid of her phone. You're going to get rid of the purse crystal confessed. She took Halcion's phone and turned it on as she drove home. Aw that's why Kelsey phone pinged near the gorge in Idaho. She also sent text messages. Like the one saying. Do you even love me to make it. Appear Kelsey was in some kind of distress then. She burned the phone person content. Okay those were burned wear So that was crystal story driven by love and fear she cleaned the crime. Scene Helped Burn Chelsea's body and destroyed. Crucial she'll evidence but crystal wanted to make one thing clear she said it was Patrick. WHO murdered Kelsey? and to prove she was telling the truth she pointed to more evidence that would turn the tables on Patrick because as thoroughly as she mopped and wiped Chelsea's condo she told investigators she deliberately shortly left spots of blood for them to find where you did you. Oh you anywhere else after about about twelve hours of questioning. The investigators were astonished crystal had drawn in vivid detail. The anatomy of Kelsey births murder murder. Do you believe that that Patrick swayze was really the the mastermind that that he was the puppeteer. Yes Crystal yes. Patrick is the one who is manipulating. elating her the whole time Patrick's the one that wanted Kelsey killed Patrick's the one who actually killed Kelsey. I believe crystal was a fool. I believe Patrick Trick was the murderer about a month. After that Thanksgiving Day when Kelsey went missing Patrick swayze was arrested and charged with first degree murder solicitation Elissa tation to murder and tampering with the deceased body. Is this a big sigh of relief. Knowing that there had been interested. Yes it relief because there was hope that he wasn't going to get away with it at the same time sadness that her death was a little more real this is. It's kind of that moment that it really is starting to hit really isn't coming on in November. Almost one year after Kelsey went missing. Patrick swayze would go on trial for her murder and a jury would decide if crystal was is telling the truth or if she was lying coming up case rested on her shoulders the concern was she believable. What really happened? That day of the murder powerful new details from the prosecutor's star witness. He saw jurors crying. You saw people in the audience. Cry Nine took my breath. WHO WANT TO BE President? 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They assembled an arsenal of evidence against Patrick and dozens of witnesses including their star witness crystal Lee Kenny whom they recorded on video. Did you feel anything was weak in your case going in that you had to worry about personally. I think would probably be the biggest concern that we would have the whole case rested on her shoulders and phone records. So I think the concern was She believable they thought they could make crystal credible by explaining how Patrick manipulated her. For example crystal said Patrick Trick told. Her Kelsey was abusing their baby and he'd reported her to police. In fact there was no police report it was all a lie. He's he's claiming she was an alcoholic and abusive mother. She was showing up for work. All of that is untrue. Then they they would try to prove crystals story with hard evidence like threatens Ix and digital records starting with Calcio condo police photos showed smears where crystal said she wiped away blood from furniture and appliances. And it kind of gives you some include. Because you're seeing all kinds of blood in the floorboards of her wooden floor you a DNA expert testified it was a match to Chelsea's blood. CBI Agent Greg Slater took the stand crystal claims that she left complied on the baby gate and on the fireplace. Did you believe her well. I can't doubter because the evidence speaks for itself does show that that's his blood and without her telling us that we would never have known it. was there crystal also told law enforcement later that day. She met Patrick at a gas station when she tells us We met at the CONACO station in fluorescent. Let's go to the Conoco's station unless if we can find video lo and behold we find nvidia here in video seen for the first time on. TV crystal can be seen driving up in the Black Volkswagen twenty minutes later. Patrick pulled up to to a pump in his red pickup truck. He felt a canister with gasoline. Which Crystal told investigators he used to burn? Chelsea's body a gas canister just like the one in the video was found on Patrick's property things are matching. Things are matching up but things weren't matching up for Patrick's Thanksgiving Day Alibi. His story consistently was on the twenty second. I picked up Kailua around noon from Chelsea's apartment and I left and that's the last time I saw her consistently he says I never went into Chelsea's house his story was that he was tending to his cows. At the the time Kelsey was believed to have been murdered. He puts himself Out with the cattle that afternoon miles away from woodland part when the murder happened but prosecutors presented images that showed Patrick was lying. A security camera caught Patrick's truck passing by a furniture store near Chelsea's Condo Rondo around the time of the murder and shots from a neighbor security camera captured. Patrick had Chelsea's home multiple times also during that period he he is walking in and out because we have the photos from the next door neighbor from that seeing carrying Kaley several times is he's going on that same in one frame Kelsey is visible visible her hair tied in a neat bun and carrying a point set of plant the last image of her alive as the prosecutors continue to oppress their case. They told the jury Patrick Cellphone also placed him near Chelsea's Condo at the time. She was murdered. Patrick may two phone calls around four thirty on the afternoon of the twenty second when he was supposedly not even there and those phone calls are being made on the tower that served the cell phone tower. That services Kelsey. I'll see Barrett's house cellphone records from the following day exposed more of Patrick phrases lies consistently all day on the twenty third Kelsey Barris Cell Phone and Patrick Phrase's cellphone. We're together and remember. He said he hasn't even seen her. Further cellphone. Analysis Bore Out Crystal Story that Patrick had given her Chelsea's phone and it's only when crystal Lee comes to town and Patrick swayze provides crystalise with Kelsey cell phone. Do you see see the patterns. Then change and Kelsey cellphone travels along with crystalline back to Idaho where she ultimately destroys it on November twenty fifth wing. She's she's telling us that yes. I turned Chelsea's phone off. I turned it on at this point on my trip back. I turned it on at this point on my trip back doc. I sent a text message at this point I sent a Patrick called me. At this point that matches all the information that we have as for where Kristal said. Patrick stored Chelsea's body after murdering her a cadaver dog trained to sit. When it's scented human death did exactly that Crystals Walkthrough of Patrick's ranch was also played in court in graphic detail. She testified how they burned. Calcio Body did that. Yield any clues that you I felt were really important. Crystal go straight. who were that? Burn area was and says this is where she was burnt and they essentially essentially excavate that area and remove all the dirt in and there. You see what I would almost describe as a burn scar. There's melted melted plastic in the ground as for the murder itself. The courtroom fell silent as crystal describe what Patrick told her about. Kelsey barest horrific thank last moments once inside her condo on Thanksgiving Day according to crystal. Patrick told Kelsey he wanted to play a game with some scented candles so he comes up with. This ploy smell the candles. And tell me which one is which sent on the candles. And then he blindfolds or with one of our own sweaters so she's now bent Dover smelling those candles when he pulls the bat out a baseball bat. I'll bet he thought that would knock her out on the first blow in it didn't He is beating her and be ear and beating her prosecutors played the video of crystal pointing out the blood splattering all the jury understood. These little spots are her bat blows to her head and each time he's pulling the back the back above him. It is throwing spots of blood all the way back into the kitchen is. He's coming back down for another blow. The courtroom was getting sadly a real visual real visual to have what happened in this condominium. A blood spattered expert witness confirmed the worst first and then I asked him. How many times do you think you'd better with that Bat? And he said His estimate would be ten to fifteen times or more another another sickening moment in the trial came when the prosecution showed the jury the Tooth fragment found at the burn site and crystal added one more heart rending in detail she said Patrick described her. The hardest part of the tire time watching crystal testify. Here's the question do you know what Chelsea's last words were in tears. Crystals said the words. Please stop that was that that was the below that rocked my world again so to hear that those were the words that he continued took my breath away. I don't know that I'm breathing yet. All during the murder crystal crystal testified baby Kaley was in the condo that just torn everybody. There were times that you saw jurors crying. There were times you saw people in the audience audience crying. I know we were times. The prosecution's case was clear. Patrick frizzy had killed Kelsey in the most sadistic manner torched her body so that her remains would never be found and then covered it up. At least that was crystal story. Now the stage was set for Patrick's defense. Vince team to go after her. Coming up this is a woman who has admitted to covering up a murder. We didn't ask the jury to like her. We just ask them to listen to her would they. I just could not believe that. She was persuaded sir. MANIPULATE dateline continues The Colorado courtroom had heard shocking evidence. Patrick swayze had bludgeoned to death. His Fiancee Kelsey Z.. Berith and burned her body now. It was the defensive. Turn to try and shred the prosecution's case by targeting crystal the more guilty she appeared to to a jury the less guilty Patrick might appear if you believe crystal story than the evidence is overwhelming. If you don't buy off crystal story than the evidence is not overwhelming plain simple. Done Patrick. Phrase's friend Clint client attended the trial. The only time crystal finally so-called told the truth was when she was approached by the FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and told that they had enough on her that she was going to go away for for probably the rest of her locks. He says crystal told her story to investigators only after law enforcement caught her lying. She got honest after sure. She got called under tough cross examination crystal again admitted how three times she drove. Eight hundred miles from Idaho to Colorado Colorado and back with plans to kill Kelsey. If Crystal was telling the truth. The defense team said it was an outrage that she had never wants to law enforcement about about the murder plans. She was part of not once until she was caught. How long neither did she tell a soul about the pools of blood? She had cleaned up the spattered wall. She bleached the blood-soaked soaked evidence. She got rid of Patrick's defense pointed out. How callous crystal was laying a false text? Message trail and taking Chelsea's phone to Idaho. Hope where she burned it. You sat in court every day. You heard all the evidence. If Patrick swayze didn't kill Kelsey than did income income to your own conclusion on that you either bought crystal story or you didn't Buy Crystal Story and you didn't have. I didn't crystals credibility had been the main concern sern of the prosecution team. This is a woman who's lied before this woman who has admitted to covering up murder. She's done done a lot of bad things so it would be easy for the jury to not like crassly term. And maybe not trust her within a surgery to like her We just asked them to listen to her. And in the matchup what she says with the other pieces of evidence that we had Bob Christie and Dennis who want us to use only their first names sat on the jury as crystal described. How Patrick instructed her three times to murder Kelsey some some of the things that went through my mind when crystal was testifying was I was thinking she could've stopped us? What were you thinking thinking? I just could not believe that she was persuaded or manipulate. She seemed like a very intelligent person. It's unconceivable out. He can get into that position. This is hard to understand Everything about this is hard to understand understand. The jurors also blamed crystal for covering up the murder instead of calling the police. How chilling was it to see the video of crystal in Chelsea's Condo during that? Walk through. I think her saying she is. She put towels over. The kitchen. Window was probably probably one of the harder things for me. Because you know that's really you know what you're doing you know you're hiding showed me. She was complicit. Yeah when and she walked in that condo she could have called the police. Right that to summon court crystal artfully minimized her own role to make sure all the blame would fall on. Patrick swayze do you think crystal told the whole story No I just didn't buy that. I think that she was not completely honest with her. How complicit she was? This is a woman who came potentially came close to killing Kelsey herself three times three three times senior pipe baseball bat. She talked about being afraid of him but then she said after she went ended the Condo. She said that she she didn't believe that he could actually do it. So those two statements didn't Mash to me. The defense argued crystal story was shaky and so with some of the prosecution's evidence. They argued the security camera. Images is showing Patrick. Entering and leaving Chelsea's Condo on Thanksgiving Day didn't necessarily match the time they were saved to the security system and that apparently apparently damning tooth regiment. Not so fast. Were you able to match that tooth to Kelsey. No It's examined by forensic anthropologists us. They could determine that it was female N. A. But they couldn't develop a profile sue. The tooth evidence wasn't the slam dunk. They had hoped for but as the jurors rustled Russell with the evidence and crystals testimony. They weren't prepared for what came next. The trial was about to reach. Its climax with a new witness. Who would stunned the courtroom coming up from behind? Prison walls perhaps the most sinister plot of all there were threats very specific threats and the verdict does. Your Heart's are beating really. I couldn't breathe. I remember checking my pulse on a chilly November day one year to the week after Kelsey Berith went missing after a meticulous investigation from Colorado to Idaho and and after the damning testimony of his former girlfriend Christie Lee. Kenny thirty-three-year-old Patrick swayze would soon learn if he would spend the rest of his life behind bars for a monstrous premeditated murder. I was dreading like what. If how how our family going to handle if they they say not guilty there could be one person on that jury who maybe didn't believe he was capable of that as nervous as Chelsea's family was As the trial came to a close there was something. They hadn't counted on a new witness for the prosecution right before trolley calls actually for me Eh. He was Jacob Bentley. He'd been housed next. Patrick frizzy in jail and they became buddies after he got out. Bentley came forward with a mind blowing story about some notes. Razi slipped to him. The substance of this note some written on Jail Napkins some written on paper or essentially essentially asking to assist Patrick and killing a number of witnesses. That are set to testify against him in this trial. It was a hit list with Patrick swayze offering to to pay Bentley for arranging to kill those named most of the notes. Seen here for the first time on. TV came with instructions to flush them. At the top of Patrick's list was Christie. Lee Kenny followed by her family and friends. They all need to disappear. Read one note at least until after the trial. Another note instructed Bentley to use a gun to make crystals ex-husband talk then dumped him out in the desert. I think what what was shocking in this case was usually when we get that information. It's the word of one informant without corroborating evidence but this particular informant had add the letters and they were clearly in Patrick's handwriting and they contained information. That only Patrick swayze would no. No one was too high up the food chain for Patrick frizzy lead investigator Greg Slater and even the DA himself were on the kill list and perhaps even more shocking Chelsea's mom too. There were threats to kill sheriff's Berith very specific threats. The hit list Cheryl was on it crazy crazy. 'cause just so insane that he has this hitlist in jail. It showed his character. It showed his His guilt the jail notes and Bentley's testimony stunned the courtroom and seemed to be a big blow to Patrick frasier crazies defense. The prosecution said Frizzy hand to only murdered Kelsey Barret. He had sought to kill those set to testify against him. We wanted the jury to hear this evidence so they could really understand the mindset. We were dealing with in terms of Patrick swayze. He's a very troubled per said. After three hours of deliberation the jury reached a decision. You walked back into that courtroom to deliver the verdict. Are you feeling to death the weight of no yes. Definitely it was. It was hard. It was a lot of tension knowing that her family's out there his family has out there. He's right there. Does your heart start beating really fast. I couldn't breathe those our hearts beating. I remember checking my pulse. We're holding him holding hands in such anticipation praying that a fast verdict. It was a good verdict for calcium family. All those prayers were answered. Soon as up I guilty came in then we could exhale that was the first degree murder charge and then when they just kept coming everything was just icing guilty guilty yep yep praising God praising God a lot of answered prayer hugs lot of tears a lot of relief. The the prosecutors welled up to seeing Chelsea's father Daryl. I heard the verdict and I I got choked up and then I looked back at Daryll and just nodding at him Of thank you for being with us and get going going through this and being behind us a hundred percent the the whole time amid all the emotion in the courthouse a swift verdict was followed by a swift sentence. Patrick Fraser got everything. He deserved coming to life sentence. Plus one hundred and fifty six years about three months went by and it was a very different set of emotions when crystalise. Kenny was sentenced just last week. The judge called her actions cold calculated and cruel but of all the things crystal admitted to in her deal with prosecutors. She pleaded guilty to only one one thing tampering with evidence by moving Chelsea's phone. The judge gave her the maximum sentence three years in prison. Do I think she should have gotten a lot more time. You you Betcha but the. Da Laments she may serve a lot less time. It's not unusual for someone to serve eighty five percent of their sentence on a crime no matter what it is so crystal could end up serving just nine months the. Da said to convict Patrick swayze. He was forced into a devil's bargain with crystal We did a deal with the devil. You call this making a deal with the double. That was absolutely a deal with the devil. I'm not proud of it. I'm not a tiny it's justice for crystal. It's not just as easily but it got justice for Kelsey in the end. You said something to me. That was really powerful about your feelings toward Krystal. Lee Part of me wants to strangler. Pardon me wants to hug her. That's a very complex statement right there. She she could have stopped this from happening all together. And for that I WANNA choker. But she finally fessed up confer that I want to hug her. And thank you for that. We have closure as Kelsey family tries to move on. Little Kaley is living with Chelsea's mom and dad who are seeking legal custody if Keighley watches the someday when she's older older what would you say right now about her mom. Her Mom loved her. Her Mom was fearless. Louis her mom love the Lord and the the best thing in the world good to see her daughter committed to the Lord is will and the communities where Kelsey lived in worked are also doing what they can to ensure she is remembered. The local furniture store placed a memorial bench near Chelsea's Condo. You Kelsey family has set up an aviation scholarship and even some of the jurors are supporting it. They are all testaments to the young mother whose life was so cruelly taken but whose spirit continues to uplift if Kelly does get to watch this at some point then it would be her mom telling her. Don't back down dream. Big Dream in big run hard sore. Go get them. You've got the support of this family behind you. That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at nine eight central at of of course I'll see you each weeknight for NBC nightly news. I'm Lester Holt for all of us at NBC News. Good night in the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid the conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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"Space some regions fast an empty other areas we call closets? Fortunately, Kevin from the container store has answers. Right. Kevin. What gives you the power over space? I'd say alpha, customizable, closets with free, design and Elvis adjustable shelving. And drawers, I can create space in any size closet. Kevin master of space and closets or just Kevin. Plus, you can save thirty percent on alpha and professional installation at the container store where space comes from. Where's that music coming from? Trial. Hey, P radio news. I'm Tim Maguire. Police in the Houston area. Looking for a man in a red pickup truck who drove up to and then shot into a family car yesterday morning, killing a seven year old girl and wounding her mother Harris County sheriff Ed Gonzales. I hope is that every passing moment that is conscience is eating away at him every passing minute. And I hope it's that case forever. We're gonna find you. We're going to search for you and our communities behind us. As will a Colorado man is accused of murder and solicitation to commit murder in the death of his missing theon say Colorado man, arrested December twenty first in connection with the disappearance of his fiancee. Kelsey Barrett has been charged with murder at a brief court appearance in cripple creek, Colorado. A charging documents says at Patrick phrase's work to find someone to kill Kelsey Berith between September and November and then caused her death honor around thanksgiving, Dan, may is a district. Attorney for Colorado's fourth district, obviously everybody I it was hopeful how this would end. Unfortunately, we are filing to council I murder today and solicitation first degree murder. Investigators recovered at number of items that made them suspicious the crime occurred at barris residents. I'm Jennifer Kane is already twenty nineteen across much of the globe. That's the sound of the celebration in Bangkok. Hundreds of thousands of people are gathered in the heavy rain right now in New York's Times Square, this woman za`z how she's going to make it so long without restrooms and other comforts. We don't have food water or bathrooms, but you can't move. Fine, snoop Dogg sting and Christina Aguilera are among the entertainers. Tokyo. Police have arrested a man in his twenties accusing him of intentionally driving a van into a crowd, injuring eight. This is a P radio. News North Korea's leader says he wants to meet again with President Trump AP's. Jackie Quinn report North Korean leader, Kim Jong Hoon says for twenty nineteen he hopes to extend the nuclear summitry already started with President Trump last June. That's when the two leaders met in Singapore and announced they were in agreement over creating a nuclear-free Korean peninsula. Although there were no specifics on how and when that might occur. Then the talks seemed to stall in his new year speech, Kim, also warned the US not to test North Korea's patients with sanctions and pressure. Also calling for a continued halt of military exercises with South Korea. Jackie Quinn, Washington. Humane society says the fatal mauling of a North Carolina zoo intern by a lion that escape. From a lock pen illustrates a need. For state regulators to crackdown on unaccredited zip exhibitors of dangerous animals twenty two year old Alexandra black was was killed in the attack. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news space, some regions of vast and empty other areas. We call closets. Fortunately, Kevin from the container store has answers. Right. Kevin. What gives you the power over space? I'd say alpha, customizable, closets with free, design and Elvis adjustable shelving. And drawers, I can create space in any size closet. Kevin master of space and closets or just Kevin. Plus, you can save thirty percent on alpha and professional installation at the container store where space comes from. Where's that coming from?

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The LadyGang's BIG 2018 New Year Wrap Up!

LadyGang

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

The LadyGang's BIG 2018 New Year Wrap Up!

"Hey, guys. It's your lady gang Jack Vanik Kelsey night. And Becca Tobin. Thank you so much for subscribing on itunes, and thanks for supporting the great sponsors who make it possible for us to have this much fun with you every single week for for ru. I think this is the moment that we've officially made it because one of my favorite makeup brands and one of the sheikh's makeup brands like in the game right now, hourglass cosmetics is officially on board. As a lady gang sponsor, I've been buying hourglass cosmetics for a while now because number one they're packaging is so on point. It's insane. It's super powerful and sexy looking and all of their shapes and colors are just so amazing that I'm just drawn to it as a packaging freak to begin with. But they're also cruelty free, and they have innovative formulas, which makes me feel really good. 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Do you know that this is the last year that will ever be a teen in our lifetime because it's going to be twenty and then twenty thirty eight or he will say things like that. It makes me feel sad. When people say new year, new me hate it. I mean, not a new meet, I just continue. I continue part of my Evelyn of Kelsey. I love a new year. Don't love New Year's. It's like always. I don't like New Year's Eve. Oh, you just but like a new fresh year fresh planner new Penn set a clean closet. I mean, thanks show. It is a nice way to separate your life. Tofu Angus gone. It's nice to be like feel like people get quite optimistic around the new year. Yeah. Are you optimistic Jack? Ooh. No becca. Yeah. I am. You are. Yeah. It's going to be our best year. This is the year. We're going to launch into worldwide fame who I think it's going to be a good year for us. And I think that like for the first time in my life. I don't feel anxious about like what's ahead because it's kind of nice that we know that we have like ten episodes of television ahead of us. And we have a lot of projects rolling a lot of projects in like five hundred bucks baskets. Okay. Yeah. It's going to be good year guys Goodyear on that note. Should we get into it? Let's do it's time for good. We yes, it is bad. We. No, I who wants to go first. Well, while you find yours. Okay. So I have a good week bad week is all one I want to. Okay. So I gotta D M on Instagram bad week. I and they basically was like an acquaintance barely like someone that I know socially, do not have their phone number wouldn't be able to spell their last name. If I saw them at a restaurant. I would like maybe wave, but probably wouldn't go over to the table or I would pretend I didn't see them that level of acquaintance. Okay. I get this message out of the blue. Hey, how are you? I have a feeling there's a bun in the oven. Congrats. I'm sorry. When did we start doing that? Maybe I'm bloated. Maybe I like the not from the beginning op Assode. No, it was like from my Instagram pictures. I got this before that episode as person it's just like a social media person that I've known from like around Hollywood. I have a feeling you have a bun in the oven. Yes, sir. Trying to like. And then I didn't respond for like twenty four hours because I was so flabbergasted that someone would just come out and do that to me all of them. Like, did they see these all message? I have no idea, and then they wrote no pressure. I just had a feeling go yourself. That's ball in my gut is very inflamed because I have been eating terrible food for six months. I eat gluten and I've been eating donuts every day. I'm a little chubby having more working out. Go yourself. I'm so mad that you looked have unit picture, which you don't that's. That's out. They're like they're trying to do a psychic thing went to predict. That's what I think they're trying to push that on me like, oh you've been married five years. Whereas the baby watched the episode with the Lia thing. No. It was the before that so weird. Yeah. It's so messed up. So anyway, my good week is I didn't respond because normally my first inclination would be to go fight kill and be like, no, ha ha ha ha. But instead, I'm just like me cut you out of my life. I'm follow that by you know, what anyone that's not on my train or makes me feel bad myself at twenty nineteen you're out absolute, don't quote me back. Oh my God. I was tense. I think it is so rude to like because I I literally will not ask someone about a pregnancy. They could be standing in front of me and be nine months pregnant, and unless they've told you can't let's they've told me they're pregnant. I'm like cool. We all we all just living our lives. Yeah. No. You shouldn't if I'm at the baby shower, I'll ask you about it leave me and my daughter Salone, stop shaming me for not having children at this point in my thirties. I'm only thirty one. I have lots of time who's next track wanna go. I'll go my good week bad because also in one because I can't figure out if this is a good or a bad week. So one of her posted this post and it says finish the sentence one time during sex dot dot dot and. Is that we got on this post were amazing. Yes. Going to read a couple of them. Okay. Gone. Okay. One of them was one time during sixty nine the guy farted really loudly at the same time. He came we were sixteen poor guy. I could not stop laughing. So gross one time I was having car sex in a parking lot. And we got interrupted by the police who told us you're too old for this. Go. Goo one time during sex when the guy was coming. He just screamed over and over really fast, and when he finished and we're going to pull out he goes three to one lost off. I didn't want to. But I had to have him when we were sober just to make sure it wasn't a fluke. It wasn't. He did it again one time during sex. It was Halloween and she met a Batman. She took him back. This is her front, obviously, she took him back to her room. And he insisted he keep the mask on for tax. She said, no. But he continued to talk in the Batman voice as soon as he finished. He said autumn calls and left. No, you're kidding. This is the worst one one time during sex he asked if I was ready for that white hot liquid. Now, are you for real when term during sex sexy directly quoted, Harry Potter and killed the mood. I would do that. What was the quote? I don't know. That's just what one of the girls said one time during sex with my now husband. He was going down on me asking in the air and my dog licked his ass. They're so good. They're all so good. I think Orly's cotton linked close to genitalia during our course. Yours are Zack's Zack's. It really made him feel like a lick. I think she just got very close to his balls. She just like wanted to be involved. Yeah. Shoe in like, you know, she wanted to get up in their dog does gusting. I mean, I don't have good week bad week. I think he needs to you can't just give up. It's twenty nineteen. This is a new year. You don't have anything possible back. We're almost two Ramazzotti two I combined it into one. And it was not utilized. Don't give up on the podcast. I love you can't think of it. I was blacked out. Most of it this week you were. Yeah. Whatever it's fine. No, it's not what day is this airing. This is airing right in the new year like what date years, I think, it's generally. I know my God. This is the worst episode ever. We're not starting on tons back in. I'm sorry. This is literally airing on New Year's day. Becca is starting twenty nine hundred off with a real bang. You guys. She knew we were doing this today. Not one thing written down. No, I can't remember. It's very sorry world. It's only gonna get better from here. I really feel like we'll live would do you think we'll survive? I think we will talk about. Well, my bad week was probably today when I came in early to get a bunch of work done to really kick off my new year, really at my 'cause I procrastinate a lot of things, and I was like I'm gonna get this these two things done then it gets Kelty's office in CBS is like Fort Knox. And they changed their wifi password. Every. Seven days. So I can't get on the wifi Kelty's in the middle of shooting. I have to sit in her office by myself just thinking about all the work that I need to get done without having the wifi to be on. And I don't even know the WI fi. And I was texting healthy and shoes sending me like incoherent. I'm closing. Came the dogs out there. Feisty and twenty nine Hughes, though, is that Kelly has a toy and like they're stealing it from each other. But by by Kelly like takes it and puts it right up on Orleans face like you want this. You want this bitch? She does anyway. Okay. That's a bad. Astronaut Mike is feeling really good about this year. That's all right. I think we're gonna kick some asks I did make a list last year of the things I wanted to have accomplished on how to go pretty good. I mean, most of it was like stupid things not a stupid as yours Kelty like wrote grow mermaid hair, but it was nothing. Doc, and I definitely did a lot of things like financial as a couple. We had a lot of financial goes last year, we had to like paths some debt 'cause like, you know, he took a job that he had zero salary for about a year. And so yeah, just getting very real here we paid off a lot of debt in two thousand eighteen girl pay off that day Ruutel. You should be a part. I'm late again gets out of debt Facebook group. I know if I can't go back there, though, it lays don't go back to that. I mean, I don't think I possibly could and less Zach just drop dead. Yeah. Okay. I right. When we when we come back. It's time to wrap up twenty eighteen with a Bo we're gonna allegedly what's happening. The top stories of twenty eighteen remember when we did this in the summer, and you were like it's too soon. It was like September. Now, it is officially time for us to talk about our favorite stories of the year. When we come back, my favorite thing in the world. You know this. I've said this million times is when we get a sponsor that I've used. Before it's just like, it's almost like Christmas when they come on board. And that's how I feel about Rx bar anytime. I go into my local whole foods back in the day. I'd always grab some of these because number one. They're packaging is amazing. You've seen them. They're the ones with all of their ingredients on the front like Ed white s- dates nuts and other things like that like chocolate chips or whatever. They're so cute. 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This is Heather Dubrow from Heather do grows world fish devolves from Steve Jobs. Hey, rob Riggle, Sarah Tian from wriggles picks. This is Caitlin bristowe from off the vine. This is Kelsey from the lady gang. Happy new year from podcast. So, you know, something that I don't know how to do it all and thirty one years old. This is pretty embarrassing. But I don't know how to do my taxes. I hate it. It stresses me out. And you know, the APRIL's coming up soon. So we're all going to be probably like outer computers trying to scuffle everything together. But with one of our new sponsors, maybe it can be a lot easier. Turbo tax live is a new way to do your taxes. It combines tech with on demand tax pros who can answer all of your questions and offer personalized advice. That's right. Real CPA's. And e as which I don't even know what those are. But you definitely need them can help you with your return and find all the doctrines that apply to you. So you know, that you're getting all the money back that you should be. So they're tax experts are there when you need them. So you can file with complete peace of mind. Turbo tax live with CPA's. And e as on-demand are the best. So if you want to go check him out get your details at. Turbo tax dot com. Again. That's turbo. Tax dot com. Okay. What's going on? Now Hughes the lady getting. First of all, I have titled this and gone through all of my favorite big big big things. I want you guys to get popped. I'm psyched, okay. Harry and Meghan got married and had a baby have a baby a baby coming. It's so exciting going to the Royal wedding was one you didn't go to the Royal wedding. You were outside of the Royal wedding being outside the raw wedding for eight hours waiting for Meghan to drive by in her carriage was honestly, they're really throw. Their courtship is been a let down from the dress. The dress does a letdown air at every event since then I know her Harry make here. Okay. It's not even just her. Let me just take this back. Why can the royals not get like Sheikh stylists to dress them do their hair and their makeup their hair and their makeup, Kate and Meghan? I'm like, it's literally what somebody would give me at the blow dry bar and also if I just walked into a Sephora and asked for a face of makeup like granted, it's fine. It's doable. But you're royalty. But do do you think they do that on? Purpose. Like, you think they they don't wanna make come to? They wanna go kart ash in. But it's too much. Yeah. But there's a balance between Kardashian and what they're doing. We also think it's funny because I see all these posts about the like, ooh, Keith gone, Boateng's and filler. It's like, whatever. Like, so are people are outraged. Maybe they just want them modern things to make them. You know, what everybody else because the hemlines are so long that it's like everything looks a little doubts so because they can wear Midi dresses, and they both look great in those silhouettes, it's just really fitted one it's really bad what they're choosing. And like the hair and makeup is really what upset rose you the most. I know Kate has the same hair. I have free tea where they curl it all the way to the bottom and also like. She had like Kate. Joe flat iron wave. Yeah. Oh, she like, a cool or even just a hair blow out like give them clean chic blow out even if she had like the Becca haircut or something something like why does she have they must? Hey, something on them, or they're just like, I think you think every single outfit and every look they have to go through whoever. I don't think the Queen like approves that probably because Kate had an update you the other day. The litter looked like a croissant on her half was the worst thing ever in they're beautiful girls. So I'm just here's the thing. That's why can't get behind the royals. There's no glamour. I know there is really no doubt. Right. Okay. Now. Breaking rules. Jennifer Aniston and Justin throw split up this. They are thorough. They are the ro ro Justin throws hot in person you guys. He doesn't photograph as well. He's hot. I can see why she got married time question. Why did the break up? Do they say never said? But jen's just like when it's not working. It's not working. And there doesn't have to be anything bad like that happens. And I was like cable people don't break up when nothing bad happens. But that means something. I don't know. I think gender feels like me over. I think that if you don't need a man if you don't wanna have children, then you don't feel the urge to like hang onto that person for dear life for the rest of your life. C I N v that mindset a little bit because there is no like your clock is ticking away where no you have to find it, and you have to and you have to leave your thinking about this time line. And if you're a little bit behind like so anxiety ridden, probably very liberating. Yeah. To just be able to like one of my girlfriends is like an our older thirties. And she doesn't care about any of that is single, and it's just dating casually and his chill on my dot must be so nice not have to worry about it. Do you think Jennifer Aniston knows that she's too good for like all the men on the planet who's John Aniston gonna date? You know what? I mean. I mean jaylo found a man that's true. Finally that really was on her level. I'm pretty sure Jennifer Aniston still smoke cigarettes. That's true. I'm reading the Obama book aren't I discussed now? Like, she's not too good for everyone. She still smokes. Don't just mean. She says she. Yes, she's really sweet. And she her hair so beautiful and her skin is amazing. She really is kind of dreamy like I have a crush on her. I can see why people I can see why she has what do you call? It like surpassed the fame of friends because like most people that are on that kinda show that such hit fade off Tim security and then go on dancing with the stars. And she's still like such a powerful. She was so good. Did you guys? See dumpling? No oh shit. She's dreamy. She's she's such a good actress, she always gets talked about for her hair. But she's doing good too. Okay. Next, Channing and Jenna splits Ville hoof. House. Really? Yeah. I mean. It was time. They'd been together a long time they like had different faces. Yeah. I mean, it's a long time to be together before fame time years. Yeah. But like they were together before they are they're going to sound terrible. This is just everyone judge me. I know I deserve it. But here's what I say. I always predict a divorce when a couple is married has one child who gets to that age where it's like great. They're having one child, and that's one child. That's great, whatever. But most of the time that child gets to be like six or seven, and they haven't done it again together usually trying there's a break. See, maybe they maybe they wanted just the one child like there's nothing wrong with that. Couldn't have another kid or that. But I doubt it. I mean, we're in Hollywood. I mean, you can have another kid if you want to have. Yeah. But like the fact that they stop making babies there's another couple that did this. And I'm actually just kind of waiting for a tappan. So that I can say I told you. I just always noticed that. It's hard his rich. People hate having just one child rich people love having Mulcair, Dan because you have a nanny and you don't not easy easier. Yeah. You can barely shoes. What you wanna do? Yeah. Where they both not famous when they started dating. Yes. They were equally. They were equally not going nuts. And we're both just dancers. It's going to be a really hard Benadryl like rise together and then like break change together. Yeah. You're not going to change together. They went from the step up movie franchise to like the carpet at the Oscars because there was a minute. When Channing was like the hot guy in Hollywood when he was doing all those catch twenty two or a no, I wonder street. He yeah. No. The like serious ones like the, oh, the my weather wasn't he in like a Coen brothers bombed? What's happ dance? I thought he was like one of those chick flick ones. He's always always in that. Like, I think he thought that was going to be like his. Yeah. The best thing about award season. This year is all the regular people who kind of you can tell the actors that do projects because they want to be in the Oscar race. But like a lot of them that went in for those kind of projects this year are not getting nominated, and I can't tell you about loud. But anyway, it's kind of nice because I did all the lead up to award season. Where everyone was like, oh, I don't even think about the awards when I signed on for a project bullshit, all they think about one hundred year agents sense, you the scripting. This is your Oscar like, right? Yeah. For sure a hundred percent, they're like, I don't even think about that. I just loved the script and it releases right yourself. Anyway. It's really nice when that didn't happen. Okay. Those watch Roseanne got kicked off Roseanne. Yeah. Yeah. It was a baby. So I mean, there was a lot of come to Jesus moments for celebrities this year, so many. Yeah, it's do you think the tides are going to change like no live in this super PC world where anyone can get. By anything at time. She did was so extreme yet. It's like not even that's not like, you know, you're I think that the sensitivity not with her with other things it might calm down. But I don't think that you're ever going to be able to get away with that sort of rhetoric Yang moving forward and be able to know like that was like beyond. Yeah. As much as like the tweeting with with Kevin Hart, and like the Oscars. There's so much contra there's there was so much controversy. I do think it's nice that you're being held accountable for things that you say always granted things have changed and things that were PC back when they whatever. But I do think that it is a nice thing to be like, you can't just say, whatever you're feeling yet within the rubber trees, you're a celebrity, and then if you say something, and it hurts people's feelings, or whatever you could always be like, no, I don't think there's anyone on the planet that says things just to piss people off, you know, what I mean. I think Jack is to shock sharp people not to piss off its to shock also blaming. Ambient on your racist. Comment is really how it works. But okay. Okay. Michelle Williams actress earned a small fraction of what Mark Wahlberg was paid for their all the money in the world re-shoots. Remember this on January ninth of last year? This was one of the big stories that kicked off twenty eighteen us this on the leggings. I know this is the year attract show life change different. Actually, they were had completely different made eighty dollars a day. And he got one point five million. She made eighty dollars a day for ten day reshoot. Eighty dollars Rier to the reshoot the way that they were contracted was different. Right. So they're agents up. Yeah. It's not Mark Walberg s- fall now. But weren't they trying to pin it on Mark Wahlberg humorously? Of course, they are agents aren't going to blame themselves hate agents. Okay. Do you want to say anything? Nice about Anthony, Anthony, ho ordain. I love him be boarding. It was hard for you. It was I thought he was like one of the most amazing trailblazers of his generation he was such a wonderful human. And I think it really that whole situation brought so much light onto depression because it was like he was depressed like despite having the most incredible life and having everything that he could have ever wanted. Inexperienced experiencing humanity in such an wonderful way, and such a deep way and like stall. I mean, it's really I don't know that I'd do think sometimes when you are depressed, and you go out and you see the world. Like, it's almost better to be myopic in his moments because it gets very overwhelming, and you do sort of realize when you travel like that the are just like a little spec on the planet. It's like reacts, very existential. So I do think that in a way that is also like he did have the greatest life to so many people are like the greatest opportunity, but like I know for me personally, I would not do well in that lifestyle one. It's like he was also experiencing so many people. It wasn't like hissing, Brits everywhere. He went like he was experiencing like the it's lonely to the the depths of it too. Slowly, for sure I read that article, and he is an interview that had come out after he passed away. And he had said, you know, like doing the show is like very lonely. I could really relate to that. Because I'm alone a lot by choice because I'm not like a social person. But just being like, you know, you're in the car, and then you're at the airport alone, and then you're in the plane alone. And then you're in another car loan. And he gets a hotel in your loan, and even when you're working with people are surrounded or if a call time the next morning, it's like there's just something very what's why Rockstars and people that go out and do this kind of life and are on tour and stuff they have so many problems with codependency and drugs because you kinda get by yourself, and then you get on a sad. And there's a lot of weird time zones. And I don't know I think a lot. Yeah. And a lot of it's too. It's like, even if you have those intense connections. It's like, they are so fleeting. And it's like they're taken away from you. So there's no like Daniel son, not substance but stability within that like at all. It's hard. I had that one. I went to row Onda this summer because I was like usually when I go in these big trips and go out into nature and experience things, I come back feeling really inspired. And like, oh the world is so great. But when I came back from Rwanda, I was so depressed because I was like earth and the world is just like so unfair and like were such assholes the shit that we think is important. And these people are living in mud huts without running water. Like, I just felt so guilty for my existence. And I felt so sad that like people the world have to live like it was just awful, it was so horrible. And so I can imagine he went to a lot of those faraway places like that. And I was like well anyway, okay. But we're probably the most unhappy society. So who's laughing? You know, it is true. No. It is true. It was getting worse. It is getting it was crazy in Rwanda. They were talking about the genocide which happened like only in the nineties a million people died, it was so horrible. And then I was talking to like, my taxi driver. And he was like I was like how do people move forward? Because there's so people that are alive that went through that. And he is oh, well when you choose to forgive someone you just forgive them. And like you can't move forward unless you just forgive and we can all be happy. And I was like that's what that entire place believes it has like they that's what they do. We can't forgive things that happened fifty years ago. Like, it's crazy anyway. Well, there's a whole like thing about the holocaust survivors. It's the same thing. They were like there's the group of people that decided to live afterwards and the group of people that didn't. Yeah. No. They were alive. Right. I love that. Let's decide to live this year. I mean, I'm trying twenty nineteen we're going to live and you'd alcohol to live. Okay. Richard Gere who is sixty eight years old secretly married. His girlfriend Alejandra Silva whose eight thirty five what happened to Callisto Flockhart? What is he is Richard Gere close to Flockhart boyfriend? I don't know who's her boyfriend. I don't know guys Google, but Richard Gere is with his girlfriend Alejandra. She's thirty five Jack would you date a sixty eight year old man? Harrison for. Oh, yeah. That's an old ball. Can you? Imagine that ball. I mean, I've tried to date like fifteen years older. And I feel like I'm dating my grandpa. Yeah. Like, it is you're not going to be someone that ends up with an older guy. No, I need somebody. That's what I really realized eating older. It's like I really do need somebody that like understands my jokes. I can send memes to that. They'll like, then they'll think is funny like the most important thing when I'm looking for a date is do you get? I mean, just another reason why Jack twenty nineteen is a year. You're going to have a real relationship though. Although I did read your horoscope, and it wasn't in there. But we'll talk about that. What? Okay, Konya west he revealed that he became addicted to opioids after having liposuction I hear this Dave is this recent. It's new I mean, it's not recent. And this is this happened in two thousand eighteen but he had like a couple years ago. And then he got addicted to opioids from the liposuction to have happened. I just didn't realize kinda just didn't seem like a liposuction kinda guy get Doug men get liposuction again. I guess when you're that rich. You don't like a lot a lot of like actor men that do it really to get like, the six pack or just to get the little side pops. We'll now like with the technology on it is so crazy that you can like contour ads and shit. I saw Grahn botched who literally had hers abdomen sculpted like car wash. Dan, like, you do not if you have enough money you don't have to work out anymore diet thanksgiving such a copy our goal for twenty nineteen to make enough money. So we've just got a new body. I like my body body. And I don't care about my body to be honest. Yeah. I'd rather have I don't wear better fares. And I just don't let clothing over sucks. I think twenty nineteen is a one piece year for me for sure I yeah. I went to why more that bikini. And then I was like it's not. I really would like to be able to bring back the swimming costume. With a hat and a long skirt. I'm gonna try I'm going to Hawaii actually this year. And I'm going to do that. I have a feeling if you could come back, I'm in general because it's so against the grain. Yeah. Maybe like swimsuits that are one piece with the long sleeves that are yet. But I want to cover rash guard. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to cover like, my lower knees. Yeah. So it's like a unitards yelich a wet suit. I like those who've lake zip up onesies on Amazon, you can exhibit all the way to your face. That's what I need and just cover up your face, and they just have sunglasses. I can't wait till we wanna beach vacation. And we call the pop rats ourselves. Haven't absolute never not we cuddle each other and romantic and racist fucking cellulite and 'paparazzi photo. Oh my God. Never know we're going to be you're gonna be in a maxi skirt with no shoes on holding your sandals walking at sunset with a glass of walling or fun. That's amazing. Okay. Now, John CENA and Nikki Bella split for good, Jack. There was a really weird clip. This is probably errand by the episode on total Bellas of Nikki Bella going out with one of the dues from the vast. Yeah. I know what happened. I don't know is the oddest nicoting Nancy just like he Nikki, Nikki aim higher aim so high you're so hot, I know all the rich nerds in the world love what you do. Look at tech guy, tech guy, tech guy. What's his name from sap? Chaz nap chat. The the bachelor is just an it's ruining our lives. It's ruining society. And he wasn't even like other worst thing. Yeah. He wasn't even he wasn't even a good bachelor character, he was fine. But like he doesn't have a job. Yeah. Nikki I've seen your closet just because you have all those shoes doesn't mean you don't need to get more shoe. Use aim higher. I wouldn't even do that guy. Ari and Lauren are getting married on TV and guess who's officiating Chris Harrison. Obviously on TV TV. It will definitely be on TV. Can't imagine Chris Harrison is going to officiate if it's not on TV. He's not working for free. Honey, he's come to your wedding free. I feel like he would I feel like he seems like he'd Ari I feel like Chris Harrison is going to get revolted because this is like the anti wetting. No, they're the nobody's happy for you. They're the worst if they did air, it would have no views, but I feel like they would because people were still watch a wedding. Why do people hate them? Well, he was at huge bag and he picked somebody else. But someone else did that remember. Yeah. And they hated to they're still together, and they have kids, but he was likable than Ari was Ari. He's Janine cringe and weird, gene. And then you did the ultimate like boy thing where he picked the girl. And then after the show was basically over then went back. Yeah. We made him like he proposed to the girl, and they were like we're together. They gave him an extra million dollars to. Probably because the ratings were so a hundred percent Hughes kind of boring, but he kissed everyone. It was like h apparently HP what do you have to take? When you have herpes Valtrex Valtrex. It was like Valtrex season on the bachelor on the bachelor. They do kiss everybody. That's what every bachelor, but he was extra. Do you know that when I was on the bachelor, they give everyone Valtrex, no matter if you have we'll sort of like, you go do they have to I'm probably gonna get sued for saying this. But like in the three days before the I get out of the limo. They hole you up in this hotel with no TV, and you just sit there and go crazy. It's like such a weird thing anyway. And then they take you up and you get like a psych evaluation. And then they shucks. They must did you do a blood test. I think you did do a blood test. They probably have got to anyway, it would be. I remember seeing a doctor and then them being like, oh, and here's your and I was like, I don't I never have gotten Colston my life. And they're like note everyone you're about to. Yeah. And you'll have to they give you like the pills one today. Like, you're like a weird do. Yeah. And also, you're not allowed to have any books or magazines. So we want to make you go nuts yet. It's all it's such a good so wild anyway. Okay. Next. David foster is engaged to cat McPhee eight thirty four I love all of their like Instagram banter, when they to on me to with Sarah Aron, Aaron I know it's so funny because it's so weird. If I were them I'd just be so mad because like all I could think about is money. Like if my dad kept getting remarried, I'd be like stop giving away. My inheritance. I know, but he's so rich. It's still. He's been married like five times that you need to get. It's really making the well shallow. And I would just I mean, listen, I have nothing against probably signs like a rock hard. I wonder if they do, but I don't think that they do because I I've heard that his ex wives keep all the houses, and that's like millions of dollars state, and after that many divorces like as I would get married. No, I wouldn't want to get like what's like literally. What's the main when she wants kids? She did kind of when I asked her about a interview at some point. They were like, oh, we're just like enjoying being together. So I kind of feel like this could be like, we're engaged. So you know, we're serious and stop making fun of us. But like we're never going to get married. I feel like she's gonna want kids though. I think she's gonna have his kids more kids. Yeah. He's got a lot of kids is he the data of Gijon Bella. No, no longer. He'd oh, gosh, we make a flow chart fair. Confusing. Got it. I didn't even realize that connection twenty eighteen the year of Haley Bieber. Muzzled hop girl. Get show Bank account. Do you think they signed a pre NUP? I don't think. So did they I'm for that? They didn't always I just make everything you read. I don't. I was like Ron is not like. Now. I mean, even so she's going to be so sad. Yeah. I saw that raise when I was on drop the mic I saw her ring in person. And I thought it was fake it so big. No. Yeah. It's huge. Does she have a skinny finger? Yeah. Like extra big. Yeah. Damn it. It looks like a cocktail ring. Like, geez. You know, where they go bring know where they go all the time or Jones on fifth. Yes. Yeah. That's on their ET send someone over there to eat lunch. Every day just going all the time. Really? They they must live up here in the hills somewhere. They're always there do anything that they never had sex before they got married is that why I think so rarely because they're sort of like into the usage born again Christian. I dunno importing on. But like he was supervision Nick Jonas how he was like celibate. Do you think that when he's like making out with their? He's like pay. They follow like I want some new Justin Bieber music to record was amazed. I b. I love the story was incredible baby brain, I hate to say this to but I really liked Nick Jonas's last album is good. He's very talented. Yeah. Orlean needs to shut her mouth. What is doing? It's because when we don't shut the curtain. She sees everyone walking by Hoffa attacks loves it so much. Okay. I'll go shut the curtain read. The next headline Jack here it is the last one on the page. I can't read. It Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's divorce got messy in two thousand eighteen really period messy. I don't know anything about their divorce. I had heard I feel like I just hear so many rumors that I don't know what's true about Brad. And angelina. Let's see bring him in here. Oh my God. Jesus God, we can never have children you guys. How are we going to do late again? If you have a kid, I we can't we can't you're going to have to quit probably baby gang. I don't still have to do this when I'm just kidding. No Angelina Brad, remember allegedly. He was on the private plane. Yeah. Not unlike nasty and weird and then with the kids, and then they they've had the Messier divorce. But you know, what serves them, right? What happens with our wine because my question, we mean wind he's sober now Mira all MIR vol's, there's this. Yeah. No. It's like one of the best results on the market true. Oh, well, they probably split that. That's all like contract Tual. He still has the plan. B production company with Jennifer Aniston Brad ever tried to get back with Jen. Wouldn't that be just like everybody is it too late now to say, so I I think Jen feels the way about Brad Pitt this way and that Jack feels about her axe. But can you really think Brad Pitt is disgusting? No, he's looking so good. These days to. Oh, I thought you meant when she said he was missing a chip God, she say, no, it was sensitivity chip because you know, that he probably is a psychopath. I that was like the nicest allegedly I think I think that's the nicest way of putting like somebody doesn't have any empathy and his like divorce he cheated on his wife during a movie, and then when they're promoting the movie did that like big Vanity Fair spread where they were like homemakers together. Right. That would have killed me. You're like, grieving your marriage, and then you have to look at and it was like news everywhere. And it was Angela hottest time. I was just going to say it was the hottest worst case scenario. Worst-case could who's hotter than her at that? Well, yeah, if it, but I knew they weren't going to last when she had the wedding dress with their children's drawings on it those longtime ago, wasn't it. Yes. But like to me that was like they lasted a long know. Last a long time. But then when they they were like, we're never getting married. We're just having all these kids, and they were so happy, and then they had the wedding. And she had the children's drawings all over the Valentino wedding dress on I was like something is a strike here. Read that they had a family bed where it was just like a whole giant room like a shack size bed. Yeah. All of them for the whole family. Sounds very colty to me. I just I can't get behind a marriage that lets seven children sleep in the bed with them, but grown children a lot more grown children are c- bring their parents than you think though. I know I have a lot of friends, and I'm like what they're like. Yeah. My kid. That's like in fifth grade comes in and sleeps with us. And I'm like, not okay. So you're not going to raise your children as a cast sleeper. No, not okay. For me. I mean, I'm saying it's not okay in society. I'm just saying it's not okay. For not for you like go to your room a ten pound dog. Like makes me sleep worse in my bed. Okay. I have two more for you guys. Geoffrey Owens, the greatest story of all time. He's working at trader Joe's, you know. He was on the Cosby show. Do you know the story at all Geoffrey Owens is this guy? He was the boyfriend on the Cosby show and was in that show. And then member all this stuff went down with book. Cosby, and then they took Cosby show off the air. So his residuals from that show went away and someone saw him working the checkout at a trader Joe's and was like making fun of him on Instagram, and it went viral, and then all of a sudden key wrote back and was like, hey, you do what you have to do. And then everyone was like. Yeah. You do what you have to Tyler Perry. Put him in a movie and then Tyler Perry put him in a movie, and he's back in Hollywood. And he was like, but I will never be above it and Vicky Manashe gave him twenty thousand dollars. Yeah. So he is like this just happened in two thousand eighteen oh, well, this is the year wrap up. It was like in the fall that is so sweet that is like the sweetest story of ever heard it where people were making fun of him. And then he was like you do what you have to do to provide for your family. Awesome, sleet, what a guy what a guy. So wait. So as 'cause they pulled the show off the air. He just wasn't making any money yet. Because that was like his kind of that. Sure. Yeah. They're playing that. Like, that's my head. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So oh, the poor guy. But that's great. I feel like that's really good karma. Because it's like he didn't do any makes to go aren't gonna Starbucks in spotted. I think it would be great for rare. So some people would really get behind you. You know, should we try it for a day and see what happened? No, do you think anyone around horrible, Starbucks barista? I can barely make coffee. Yeah. I'd get fired. But you'd look cute. You get healthcare to don't you get healthcare? If you're going to. I think it's like a pretty good job. Okay. Last Joji dice doodoo Giudice. He's getting cut out of the country deported. Yeah. Deported. The real housewives of New Jersey star. He's in jail right now to ask you some things off topic. Kind of do you have now that you're married? You are a citizen. No I've green card. I never became a citizen of the United States. Q everyone yelling and writing mean things why don't you rush? Well, there was many reasons first of all in Canada. I believe they do not recognize or in the US one of the two they do not recognize a dual citizen hangs Canada. Yeah. So you have to like give up your Canadian citizen to become an American citizen. And to me, I always felt like there's definitely an atomic bomb in our lifetime. And there's probably going to be a time. We're all gone, though, Canada's not safe they share borders. Yeah. But hopefully, you're not gonna know when that happened. Yes. True. You're not gonna I'm not gonna give you the Keynesians ahead. You'll be living in LA true. I just think that like sometimes Marica gets it self in some. Mm trouble. And there might be a possibility that I'll want to retire or go back to Canada at one point. So what a great marriage I have one American one Canadian we can go to both try I can take him up or he can pull me down. And right now, we're pulled down sounds like a metaphor. The thing is that we could go to British Columbia and get a house for like sixty thousand dollars and retire, and why will watch every day. How do I know? That's not my future. I suppose sixty thousand dollars not really re realistic. But when I shot in, Victoria. Yeah, you were like I gotta be expensive there. But well, that's because it's a good city. But I was like I wouldn't hundred percent could live here. Yeah. Beautiful beautiful. Yes. So that's why I never got my SIS. And also you have to take a big test very busy with my career. I don't have time to take the test citizenship somewhere other than the shitty country. I feel little bit like I would like to learn Spanish before becomes citizen because I feel like that's Lincoln another language, and it's been on my. So confused. Okay. Another thing. I just haven't got around to it yet. I mean, I could and just don't it because we're going to need to come like seek guys wanna come into my bunker, Canada and Albert. My behind car. Okay. Well, that's the end of the show. It is twenty nineteen year wrap wrap up in general how you felt about this year. No it rate. Huff one you're asking listeners know, I was actually asking the host of the show. But if you guys have some high highs and some lows. We worked our butts off we did work our butts and we'd cross a couple of goals off of your list. I'm sure we did we hundred percent there's only well there's only a couple of things on my list that I didn't get to this year. I didn't eat something green every day. I did not. I did not read one hundred books. I did not become a New York Times bestselling author. Maybe nicer looks is unrealistic. That's a book every three days is that not? Okay. Yes. You skim books probably now. But I read a lot of like a speed reader. But like, you can't retain the I read every night for at least half an hour, though, you guys. So it's not really that. Like crazy like what like sixty pages. But he's sixty pages. Whatever, you know, very small six pages. Okay. But anyway, I read really meaty books this year, I read shelter terrarium. I read knows amount of shadow post this. Okay, anyway. And then proud of you, okay. On the last thing I didn't do. I didn't make my signature didn't make my own signature segment on entertainment tonight that was on my goal. But I couldn't think of anything good. So hopefully in two thousand nineteen I can't think of like day the Celts night segment, but if you like night bites and it's like food now, this is not a show about food entertainment tonight. Because Cam Matheson had can Cam, and he went around with celebrities and did like wild things like race cars, which extra mail and stuff. So I need like a Kelty can. But I don't know anyway. Okay. All right. Happy new year everyone. Follow us at the lady gang at Kelty at beca at Jack Vanik and head on over to late again dot com to sign up for our newsletter. And also, we will see an. Joining the lady gang it returns day at I tunes and guest one dot com. That's podcast only dot com. Thanks for listening. New years less than three hours away on the east coast. I'm Tim Maguire, the AP news minute, it may be raining and hundreds of thousands of people are packed into the pens on Times Square having no access to restrooms or backpacks or umbrellas, even so they're readying to ring in twenty nineteen. It's like the icon place to be on New Year's Eve, the world's watching. So I think it's the best place to be uneasy. So yeah, that's why vendors gouge the prepare charging up to ten bucks for ponchos at orderly for to the biggest cheers early on events workers handing out foam, hats and blue gloves party includes performers such as Christina Aguilera sting and snoop Dogg in a brief court appearance. Patrick Swayze was charged today with murder and solicitation to commit murder in the death of Kelsey Berith is theon say who's been missing since thanksgiving district attorney, Dan may cannot comment on who it is. It's being solicited. But at there are three separate counts of solicitation in the charges. I'm. I'm Tim McGuire.

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AP Headline News Jan 01 2019 08:00 (EST)

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04:30 min | 2 years ago

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"You can watch if he versus Liverpool a not for just tenure. So what's stopping you going shopping again, you're already on first name basis with the sales assistant a family party? You're unmarried senior four times this week already. This is a cracking fixture. Don't anything get in your way to treat yourself to a no TV skysports day pass. I'm watch the games that mattered to you for just ten euros. Search no TV football today. Content stream by internet full terms that no TV dot com. AP radio news. I'm Rita Foley. Millions welcomed in the new year. Around the world. Twenty nine thousand has been welcomed with celebration. Green couldn't keep crowds away from the traditional crystal ball drop in New York City's Times Square in Rio de Janeiro more than two million people celebrated the fireworks on Brazil's Copacabana beach in Britain's ushered in the new year with chimes of London's Big Ben I met small. As the new year begins. Hundreds of thousands of federal workers are still off the job caught in the middle of a battle between the president and congress President Trump wants five billion dollars for a border wall. The Democrats don't wanna give it to him. We have no choice we have to have border security and a wall is part of border security. You know, I hear so much about the wall is all fashioned. Now, the wall is not all fashioned. The wall is one hundred percent foolproof, President Trump talking the Fox News channel Democrats in the house of now come up with a plan to reopen the government, but it doesn't give the president the money. He wants for that border wall. A suspected terror attack in Manchester England three people stabbed on new years eve all survived. A witness says the suspect was chanting his logic slogans during the attacks. He's been arrested a NASA spacecraft celebrated the new year at the most distant world ever explored a billion miles beyond plu. To- spacecraft is supposed to flown by tiny object called ultimate Tuli. They'll know a little more about all of this later this morning. Don't look at your 4._0._1._K. Stocks finished the year twenty eighteen with the worst showing in a decade. This is a P radio news. Audio of a Louis C K comedy routine leaked out has a making fun of high school shooting victims several media outlets posted audio of Louis C K set said to have been recorded at a suburban New York City comedy club two weeks ago. Among the jokes riff, mocking the activism of students at parkland high school, you're not interesting because you went to high school where kids got shot he says why does that mean I have to listen to you among those not laughing? Fred Gutemberg, who's fourteen year old daughter was among the seventeen dead Guttenberger tweeted, why don't you come to my house and try out your new pathetic jokes Louis C K, mostly banished sin sex assault? Charges responded to negative reactions to some jokes by telling the club audience. What are you going to do take away? My birthday my life is over Warren Levinson, New York. A Colorado man has been charged with murder and solicitation to commit murder in the death of his missing fiancee as police try to find out what happened to her Patrick Frasier accused of trying to find someone to kill Kelsey Berith. Rita Foley, AP radio news. You can watch months if he versus Liverpool a not for just tenure. So what's stopping you going shopping again, you're already on first name basis with the sales assistant a family party? You're unmarried senior four times this week already. This is cracking fixture. Don't let anything get in your way to treat yourself to a no TV sports day poss-. I'm watch the games up mater to you for just ten euros. Search no TV football today. Content stream by internet full terms that not dot com.

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AP Headline News Feb 19 2019 16:00 (EST)

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04:00 min | 1 year ago

AP Headline News Feb 19 2019 16:00 (EST)

"I hate you with the rhinestone collar between us dogs. I just convinced my human of grade to a new home with the twelve hundred square foot bathroom. I think she called it a yard with Wells Fargo's three percent down payment on a fixed rate loan. My Uman realized new home was within reach learn more at wellsfargo dot com slash. Wells Fargo home mortgage down payments as low as three percent on a fixed rate loan require mortgage insurance. Ask a home mortgage consultant about loan requirements. Wells Fargo home mortgage is a division of Wells Fargo Bank NA equal housing lender. MLS three thousand nine hundred one. Now's the time to discover why Irish mosier is of made high undying Arlyn's bestselling car brand in January twenty nineteen the high on die. Tucson is Ireland's by selling car. We I ten is Ireland's bestselling school city car. The Kona is Ireland's bestselling compact SUV and the Kona electric is now orlands bestselling electric car. Visit high on I e to find out more Hyeon die. Discover why. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, President Trump says he will succeed in court against the lawsuits filed by sixteen states to try to stop his declaration of national emergency. And he says he has an absolute right to do it. The Democrats want to take out all walls along the southern border. And if they do that, you can have a very different country, but they're not gonna do that. They wouldn't first of all they won't do it because they know it's wrong. They know walls necessary maybe more than we do. The president also said he is looking forward to a summit next week with North Korea's Kim Jong UN. Ultimately de nuclearization of North Korea. I think we will see that. Ultimately, I have no pressing time schedule. The president is also reacting to the newest democrat in the race. For president Bernie Sanders. Here's the AP soccer megani? The president says Sanders was taken advantage of after running a great race in two thousand sixteen. He was not treated with respect by Clinton. You says he wishes Sanders. Well, but I think he missed his time and figures the other Democrats in the race are wasting their time. You got a lot of people running. But only one person's going to win. I hope you know, who that person is goodbye everybody. Saga megani at the White House. Police searching the home of a missing Colorado woman initially found no evidence of foul play. But later discovered traces of blood belonging to Kelsey Berith. The information was revealed in court today. Berith Spion say Patrick phrase is charged with murder. A body has not been found. A judge is giving the go-ahead to a lawsuit filed by a parks advocacy group to try to stop for good. That delayed construction of former President Obama's five hundred million dollar presidential center in Chicago. The West Virginia house of delegates effectively killed a complex education Bill that sent state teachers to the picket lines it involved charter schools. It's not clear if the teachers strike is over no injuries have been reported in central Oklahoma from a three point zero magnitude earthquake. This is AP radio news. Baseball pitcher, Don Newcombe has died. Dodgers confirmed. Don Newcombe died Tuesday morning after a long illness. Nukem was a hard. Throwing right hander who joined the team in Brooklyn in nineteen forty nine becoming the first black star pitcher in the National League. He was rookie of the year that season and both most valuable player and Cy Young award winner in nineteen fifty six at six foot four and two hundred twenty five pounds nuke was an imposing presence on the mound. He was a four time all star and pitched for three pennant winning Brooklyn dodger teams, including the nineteen fifty five World Series champion, Don Newcombe, part of the dodgers groundbreaking star trio that included Jackie Robinson, and ROY Campanella was ninety two. Warren Levinson, New York. Former dodger is moving south with the much bigger. Paycheck, a source as many Machado has agreed to the biggest free agent contracts. So far ten years three hundred million dollars. It's with the San Diego Padres, the Padres lost ninety six games last year and haven't had a winning season since two thousand nine haven't been to the playoffs since two thousand six Ed Donahue, AP radio news.

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Kelley Stage

Murder Minute

28:21 min | 1 year ago

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"Hi I'm Dan Dan. The host of what we're drinking with Dan done to show that mixes history culture famous people in Booze and strains at through the cognitive mesh of myself hold gray matter on the latest episode. We blow the dust off an old jim of an interview. I did with Rob mcilhenny Glenn Howard Tan and Caitlyn Olson. It's always sunny in Philadelphia to gang. An I discuss a whole range of topics from Rob's love casts caitlyn's amazing beer-chugging skills and hangover avoidance tips from Glenn. The secret really is drinking of top shelf. Liquor occur and mixing it with tons of water. The best drunk is to drink Tequila all night top-shelf skew all night and do it in shots and drink water will your that America near that American. Ah Top shelf top shelf sleeping hyperbolic birth also on the show. Cecilia Betselem A- Holland. Still thank the L. A.. Based Foods brand owned by actor Walton Guardians Sicilian. I will fill you in on everything. You didn't know you ought to know about one of the world's most popular cocktails than groaning ninety per instance did you know the Negroni was invented by an Italian count as long to be a Rodeo clown in America's maybe that's true maybe not you'll have to tune in to find out so check out what the stars ars of it's always sunny in Philadelphia to say on the latest episode of what we're drinking with. Dan Done always remember the words of Sonny's residents age. Charlie Kelley blue is for often often dude. Welcome to murder minute on today's as episode the story of Kelly Stage but I your true crime headlines a Colorado jury jurors deliberated for three and a half hours before finding Patrick swayze guilty of the murder of his fiancee. Kelsey Berith on Thanksgiving Day of Twenty 2018. Berith was last seen on supermarket surveillance video from the day. She disappeared shopping with the one year old daughter that she shared with bracy. It is believed that she was murdered in her home later. That day by frizzy as their daughter sat in a playpen in another room. The prosecution's in star witness was sprays longtime mistress. krystal Lee Kenny. Kenny testified that frizzy had asked her on several occasions to help him murder murder Berith and who admitted to driving from her home in Idaho. Two Berths Condo in Colorado to help frizzy clean up the crime scene two days after the murder. Kenny stated that Frizzy told her that he had beaten birth to death with a baseball bat and that she watched as frizzy burned her body on his Colorado ranch. A partial tooth was discovered on freeze property at the site where Kenny testified that the body had been burned but it did did not contain enough DNA to determine who belonged to Kelsey births body has never been found. Patrick frizzy was sentenced to life in prison. There's and without the possibility of parole plus one hundred and fifty six years crystal Lee. Kenny pleaded guilty to a charge of tampering with evidence and avoided needed more serious charges through her cooperation with prosecutors. She faces a maximum of three years in prison. A Pennsylvania man has confessed to killing his girlfriend in Nevada after driving her there for what he told her was a vacation then impersonating her are in text messages and on social media for nearly two months after the killing thirty nine year old John. Matthew Chapman is in custody and facing facing charges of kidnapping obstructing administration of law and criminal use of a communication facility. He is being held without bail. In the allegany the county jail Pennsylvania lacks jurisdiction to file a murder charge in the case a forty say. The Chapman killed his girlfriend. thirty-three-year-old Jamie Fed on September twenty fifth after convincing the woman to take part in a bondage themed photo shoot in the desert. Chapman tied. Feddans hands to a signpost with ZIP ties and put duct tape over her mouth and nose causing her to suffocate after she died he removed her clothing along along with the ZIP ties and duct tape and left her body in the desert. Chapman spent the next several weeks impersonating fed and on social media And in text messages with the woman's family and friends who grew suspicious after receiving wrong answers to questions that felton would have been able to correctly the answer. They reported her missing and Chapman confessed during questioning the following day authorities from Nevada planned to travel to Pennsylvania to meet with investigators regarding the case it will be up to Nevada to decide whether or not to file homicide charges in the case a mistrial has been declared in the murder trial of three people accused of killing a pizza delivery driver in twenty seventeen and a computer. Glitch is apparently to blame a judge in East STROUDSBURG. Pennsylvania declared the mistrial during the second week of testimony against the three defendants. Who who are accused of luring Domino's pizza deliveryman Richard Labar to the campus of East Stroudsburg University? Before shooting and killing him. The fifty eight year old grandfather was shot in the face and robbed of one hundred dollars after being ambushed during a pizza delivery on December eleventh. Twenty seventeen a new trial will be scheduled for defendants Salvador Roberts Carolina Carmona and Israel Barrios officials at the Monroe County. Not Courthouse said there were two other mistrials because of the computer glitch and that each of those cases we also have to be retried. Those are your true crime headlines up next the story of Kelly stage but first a quick break. So do you hear that sound. That is is the sound of my mental break. 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The jackals soon after in Vegas Agass Kelly met and fell in love. With one of its star players. Fifteen years later she would be embedded in MIRA's history in the worst of ways as a victim of murder. Andreas Bayrock a longtime friend of Kelly told reporters that it seemed like love of it for sites when Kelly met Tom Clinton Kelly noticed him while watching a game then at a bar afterward where she walked up to him and asked him if he was single. All this wasn't unusual behavior for Kelly who was known for her straightforward honesty. Even her obituary talks about it. Anyone who came in contact with Kelly always knew where they stood with her. It says she was never want to mince words or hold backer. Thoughts Clayton was single. At the time he was also conventionally handsome and charming with a bit of a bad boy reputation one of his teammates. Jeff Antonovich told the daily beast that Clayton played like any other hard-nosed hockey guy one who was scrappy. Tough and got into fights. He wasn't the biggest guy but he played like he was. He said he would do whatever it took to win. Clayton didn't have have to work hard to win. Kelly's affections or vice versa. He was also immediately drawn to the bullying young woman. The romance between the pair took off quickly two years after meeting. They were married and Kelly became the quintessential hockey wife bringing her sweet. It outgoing spirit to jackals games where she cheered from the stands in two thousand seven though a leg. Injury brought Clayton's athletic career to a full all stop so he and Kelly decided to focus on building a family and moved to North Carolina. They had two kids first daughter Charlie then and three years later a son they named Colin Clayton purchased properties to rent out and started a taxi business for intoxicated. Folks who needed a ride at home. Five years later they moved back to New York. Not far from Kelly's childhood home. Once they resettled in and Kelly waited tables and Clayton opened a branch of a restoration and emergency service franchise before opening a similar business of his own with a colleague. Once a couple of made enough money they purchased more properties to rent out and things were looking good really good for their family at at least on the surface a Toronto Sun article described Kellyanne Clayton as a small town golden couple who had cash a beautiful home in the country. Two lovely children and that intoxicating elixir of local celebrity. But cracks were accumulating seemingly perfect vic facade friends of Clayton recall him describing Kelly as lazy and ungrateful. He even told. Kelly's close friend Andrea Andrea at a birthday party for Kelly about. They're falling apart marriage. He said he wasn't satisfied sexually was tired of Kelly complaining that she wasn't Happy Clayton wanted to have sex with other women whenever he wished which didn't bode well for their monogamous relationship. Could all of this have led head to the final and most horrific night of Kelly's life Clayton would be the first and lead suspect when her body was found. But how could it be him. He alleged when he wasn't even home when it happened that evening. September twenty eighth two thousand fifteen started out seemingly normal Clayton left for his weekly poker game at the home of the nearby couple. Lucky and Greg Miller Kelly. Kelly remained home with their kids. That dinner got them ready for bed. Then within hours the peaceful night gave way to horror just after midnight a nine one one operator received a phone call from Clayton in a panicked voice. He said helped me. My wife's dead police arrived home to find a gruesome scene. Thirty five year old. Kelly had bludgeoned to death. Her bloody lifeless body laid on the kitchen floor in portions of a police tape released by. ABC News Deputy Dean Swan. Who who was first to arrive to the scene said I've got a female mid thirties? Her face is completely beaten. Kids are home husband's claiming he was out playing poker. OCHRE came home and daughter Said Daddy. There was a robbery swan immediately. Wondered if this was a case of domestic violence there there were no signs of forced entry. Nothing appeared to have been stolen. Photos had been knocked off the walls and the hallway. One of numerous signs. Kelly fought to the and to survive. Clayton seemed suspiciously eager to share his whereabouts. Making sure police knew he had an alibi before he was even asked but his claim checked out he had been at a poker game according to his. GPS and the couple who hosted the poker game could vouch for his story. He also didn't appear to have any blood on his body. No signs of defense wounds. It was raining when Kelly Sister Kim Kim drove to the home after receiving a phone. Call Kelly's dead. She was told Kelly was murdered. Rain pounded on her car windows. She she rushed to the scene as crying along with her when Kim spotted an ambulance shock and maybe hopeful denial led her to believe leave. Kelly was still alive surely they were working on her saving her life inside the emergency vehicle upon realizing this wasn't the case the Kelley wasn't only deceased but had been brutally beaten to death. She screamed sobbed and vomited. Investigators did have a witness while that was undoubtedly helpful. It was also hurt breaking the couples seven year old daughter. Charlie saw the attack she told sheriff. Jim Allard that quote a masked man was killing mommy when he asked her how she knew. The person was a he. Charlie responded because his eyes looked just like daddy's. The official official questioning took place in an interrogation room designed for kids complete with a table full of toys like adults. Kids have the right to refuse to be the interviewed and authorities have to be careful not to pressure them into responding and Charlie seemed very willing to share what she saw. She wanted to help her. Mommy army investigators asked her questions to make sure she knew the difference between the truth and lies she did then recorded the little girl's account account asking her plentiful questions about the night of the murder. The man who attacked her mother wore jeans a black long sleeved shirt shirt and a mask. Charlie said adding quote. He looked like my dad. He had on a mask like what daddy wears when he's hunting when asked about his. Hi Ci offered tall like the size of my dad. Virtually everything related to her dad but she said it couldn't have been daddy because he would have taken care of them the last words Charlie said she heard from her mom. Where run Charlie run? Charlie said she hugged her mom's leg then headed to her brother's room to protect him before the interview ended she had a question for the investigators leaders to where is my mommy at as the investigation continued. Family members pointed the team to another man man. Michael Beard Beard had worked for Clayton had recently been fired and was described by some as Clinton's longtime friend beards girlfriend told police that Clayton had offered him ten thousand dollars to burned the Clayton. Family's house down when police questioned beard about this. He confessed according to transcripts from the confession. He said this he meaning Clayton. Wanted me to go to the house. Kill Kelly then light the house on fire. He said the kids would be his sister's house. There was also gas in the garage. He wanted the cars to burn also so he could collect insurance money when officers asked beard why he had agreed to commit these heinous acts. He said he just really needed needed. The money having been fired he was desperate to make ends meet after killing Kelly. He said he was too scared to set the house on fire. Beard guided police to the weapon. Used to end Kelly's life to a sledgehammer. He said he tossed out of his car window. While driving away from the home in a nearby swamp the team found beards clothing from that night it was covered in Kelly's blood at first. Many of Kelly's loved ones were shocked to hear that Clayton may have been involved in some way. The couple had seemed happy. They thought and even with Clayton's history of fights on the ice and the comments a few people had heard about marital dissatisfaction. The bad boy athlete turned family. Man hadn't raised any major red flags especially not anything that lead anyone to believe. He wanted his wife dead or would take steps to make that happen and so far. Investigators only had beards words stating that he'd been hired by Clayton as a hitman. No physical proof or corroborating stories. aures phone records suggested another story. Lucky Miller one of the house of the Poker Game Clayton had played the night night of the murder recalled. The Clayton asked to use her cell phone during the game bizarrely when she checked her call history. No outgoing calls appeared at the time she recalled it happening. She and her stepdaughter logged into the phones account online and saw that indeed a call had gone out to Michael Michael Beards. Phone Clayton must have deleted it from her history. Clayton also stop by the Millers home and made a call from their landline the afternoon afternoon before the murder again calling beard both Clayton and beard were arrested for the murder of Kelly. Stage at at the trials. More darkness was revealed. According to court records from Clayton's trial he had been breaking his agreements with Kelly. Pretty heavily early he'd been sexually involved with at least three other women including a close friend of Kelly's who admitted to participating in a threesome with Clayton on the stand. She said Clayton often complained about Kelly calling her a bitch and saying he wouldn't consider divorce because she would quote. Take everything UH Clayton had also taken out a life insurance policy and Kelly's name and considered increasing at two one million dollars just a year before for her murder. He pleaded not guilty to one count of first degree murder and two counts of second degree murder in his defense. Clinton's attorney argued. That first responders assumed this was a domestic violence case upon arrival then gathered evidence to support that rather than let evidence lead them to the right perpetrator. He said this wasn't a question of whether or not Clayton had affairs. But if whether or not he killed kills Kelly and that there was no physical evidence of an agreement with beard to have her killed. He pointed to beard as the killer and instigator saying the two men were never personally connected. Never friends and that beard new Clayton had money. If that was the case why would beard kill Kelly and take literally nothing from the home. Kelly's sister Kim said she believed Clayton a powerful white man. Dan used the far less privileged beard. A jobless black man to get what he wanted Clayton a powerful convincing man and beard. I would have done anything to help his own family at his trial which happened. I beard recanted his guilty. Plea claiming that Clayton paid hate him to burn down his home to get insurance money. He denied killing Kelly stating he had backed out of the plan when he saw that a robbery had taken place Clayton had told him the house will be empty but when beard found Kelly's dead body he fled the scene in shock to Kelly's family. He said I'm sorry for your loss. I know you mourn but I- Michael Beard did not kill Kelly Clayton. May God rest her soul DNA evidence linked beard with Kelly's murder and at the trials and he was convicted of all charges and sentenced to life in prison without parole at Clayton's trial. Two months after beard was convicted. The prosecution depicted beard as Pansy and Clayton as the mastermind remind Clinton's defense argued that while he wasn't the best husband he was completely uninvolved with the murder. The testimony of former more police officers Sira who runs a firm that combines data to trace cellphone locations helped the prosecution side showing that Clayton's claim that he hadn't been in much contact with beard was false using cell phone data. He created a very convincing map that placed beard and Clayton near each other on on multiple occasions leading up to Kelly's murder after a nearly seven week trial. A jury found Clayton guilty of first and second degree murder after he was sentenced to life in prison without parole Clinton's defense team filed to appeal the verdict more than once since his initial sentencing in two thousand sixteen. A third suspect was arrested. A man named Mark Blandford was taken into custody and charged I with second degree murder. First degree burglary and fourth degree conspiracy prosecutors said he plotted with beard to murder Kelly. Clayton's attorney said this of the third bands involvement this new defendant. Highlights the lack of connection between Thomas Clayton and the death of his his wife. The prosecution is based on demonstrably false statements especially by beard now learned that beard acted in concert with a second defendant. It's time for the prosecution of Thomas Clayton to end. That appeal was denied. As was Clayton's latest attempt in two thousand nineteen eighteen. New York's highest court made it impossible for him to ever get out of prison. He'll spend his remaining days there with no chances for parole. Kelly's loved ones field. This is the least that can be done. Given their life was cut so tragically short. Nearly everyone who talks about Kelly's memory mentions her big hearts outgoing spirits. She was a devoted mother who looked out for her kids until her final moments when she told her her daughter Charlie to run her spirit lives on in Charlie Colin who went to live with. Kelly's sister Kim. After the Murder Kelly was their world reeds. Her Obituary and Kelly's children were hurt world in a follow up interview with ABC ABC. Kim and Kelly's mother Elizabeth are shown walking through one of Kelly's favorite parks beside bench stands a plaque with her name. That reads forever loved and missed as bright as the sun. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. 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Full Episode: Monday, November 18, 2019

"We're following two deadly shootings the scene at another Wolmar today the chaos of the Walmart parking lot the gunman firing a man and woman in their car. And what happens. There's been another man with a gun approaches. The gunman also the urgent hunt white now. It another horrific shooting. At least four people killed six wounded family and friends gathered children into would police say the gunman got into the backyard at began firing sephardic just in tonight breaking news. The man accused of killing his fiancee. A young mom last seen with her daughter on Thanksgiving what year ago. The jury taking just three hours to deliberate tonight their verdict in the impeachment showdown tonight president trump now suggesting he might answer questions in the impeachment. Inquiry critics say that is very unlikely and tonight all eyes soon of the witnesses who were listening in on that that call with the president of Ukraine. Set to testify before the American people in the morning also late today. The passenger jet evacuated when a passenger had a backpack. Pack that was smoking flight attendants jumping into action overseas tonight. The tense Jennifer Right now. Is it the last stand in Hong Kong. Our correspondent is there the Gore research here at home moving up the East Coast Rain Snow and ice right into the northeast. We tied down the Queen Tonight. Stand behind present drew after what some are calling a disastrous interview interview about Jeffrey Epstein. Saying he found epsteins conduct unbecoming come coming. He was a sex offender heart pounding moment tonight. The eight year old girl saved from her kidnapper. This is ABC News. Tonight with David Muir anything and it's great to have you with us here as we start another week and we're following two developing stories to deadly shootings. The urgent hunt underway at this hour and the other deadly shooting at another Walmart this time in Oklahoma in the parking lot. The gunman targeting a man and a woman in a car riddling the windshield with bullet holes in a bystander with a gun approaching the suspect in the parking lot the the gunman would then turn the weapon on himself. At least nine shots fired family members rushing to the scene. ABC's Marcus Morris also on the tonight from Duncan Oklahoma. The calls came in just before ten o'clock this morning. Report for shots fired at police racing to this Walmart eighty miles south of Oklahoma City. This is a very sad tale. That's unfolding here in Dunkin. Oklahoma schools placed on lock down. We know that two people were inside of this red car. You're seeing right here with the bullet holes in the windshield and she old three people including the alleged shooter debt a handgun found at the scene. Breath two white males and white female to the victims are inside a vehicle. One is outside the vehicle a witness telling station Kale. CEO that before the gunman took his own life and armed citizen approached the man he don't mm stop and then after that The the shoot it is stop and then in turn the gun on himself. Police say this was an isolated incident outside the store but the shooting shooting comes just days after the Walmart in El Paso reopened where a gunman killed twenty two people in August or the history in the last several years. It has a lot of impact it makes people very fearful. It makes people wonder what's going on. So let's get right to marcus more tonight as live from Dunkin Oklahoma in any word on a motive tonight. Marcus Casse. David policemen not commenting on a motive. But they do say that the victims and the alleged shooter all knew each other tonight. Investigators are looking at surveillance images. Trying trying to get a better picture of what happened in this parking lot. David Marcus more. Thanks to you tonight. Also developing just before we came on the air verdict in a case that has made national headlines in Colorado Arado a jury finding Patrick swayze guilty on all counts in the death of his fiancee. Young MOM Kelsey Berith. Free was accused of bludgeoning birth to death while they're one year. Old Daughter daughter was in a nearby room. Birth was last seen with their daughter at a supermarket on Thanksgiving Day. A year ago her body was never found the jury taking just three hours to determine guilty on all counts. ABC's Clayton's handle on this breaking story. He's at the courthouse tonight. How Tonight Patrick phrase is a convicted murderer? The jury taking just three and a half powers to determine he killed his fiancee Kelsey Berith. It was a sweet day in the sense that justice was brought to Patrick Crazy for this. Brutal gruesome awesome senseless murder. Berith was last seen shopping. With the couple's daughter last Thanksgiving Patrick wanted to talk in a trial that lasted just over. Two weeks phrase's phrase his former mistress. krystal Lee testified. Frazee won a Berith out of his life. Admitting he went to her condo trigger into putting on a blindfold beat her to death with a baseball bat then burned her body. Li admitted she cleaned up the bloody crime scene and destroyed barest phone cutting deal to become the prosecution's star witness art the prosecution's final witness one of phrase's fellow inmates in County jail who claims frizzy asked for his help. Hope to kill all of the witnesses who were set to testify against him. Claims with US live tonight. He's outside the courthouse. Clayton not only did the jury combat fast but phrasing was also sentenced. David had happened fast. Just moments ago. Phrasing was sentenced to the maximum life in prison. No parole an additional one hundred fifty six years David David Clayton thank you and now to the search underway at this hour the other deadly shooting. We're following tonight and that urgent manhunt playing out right. Now in California families and their children were gathered to watch watch Sunday night football when two gunmen got onto. The property ended a backyard and began firing at least four. Were killed several more shot mothers and their children grieving tonight in in California community and beyond they are searching for the suspects. Matchup minutes there tonight tonight. An all out manhunt for a hit squad that filled this Fresno St with gurneys. They may be having event group of thirty family and friends watching football. Ten people people were shot. Four of them would die. They came through unlocked gate. They walked into the backyard and began immediately firing into the crowd. Doc Police say the group in the backyard of that watch party were unaware they were about to be gunned down. Police say the two gunmen were reportedly armed with semi automatic pistols. And there were so many victims that every first responder in Fresno was called out inside inside the House itself about twenty others including women and children thankfully the children were inside the house at the time but they could have just as easily been injured or killed. The gunman left behind was grizzly and traumatizing. I had two of my officers that were covered in blood and actually had to be decontaminated. The police say it appears to have been a targeted attack in the community. Predominated Bite Southeast Asians. But that no one at the party seemed to have gang affiliations. We're coming for you. This is not going to be tolerated. Dave another surviving victims have told police that they could not identify that pair of shooters because all they saw were those muzzle flashes. Now police have been going door to door looking for witnesses or even surveillance video that could help identify those killer so far no leads David. Nunan this story all day for thank you map. In the meantime we move on to other news this Monday night. The impeachment showdown televised hearings. First thing in the morning at this week nine witnesses. This is a major difference. Some of these witnesses were actually a on listening on that phone call between president trump and the president of Ukraine and one witness the ambassadors of the EU Gordon. Sahlin spoke oke with President trump about what he wanted in Ukraine. It all comes as our new. ABC News Ipsos Poll shows seventy percent of Americans believe the president's request to a foreign leader to investigate the political rival is wrong. ABC's Mary Bruce Tonight on the new offer from President trump that he might now answer questions in the inquiry skeptics say. That's unlikely Mary's on the bill tonight. President trump is adjusting. He may take the house speaker up on her offer to testify in the impeachment inquiry. President could come back before where the committee and talk speak all the truth that he wants. Pelosi saying trump could even do it in writing the president's response. Even though I did nothing wrong I like the idea And we'll strongly consider it but that seems unlikely. Trump is currently blocking White House officials from testifying and he's attacked those who have he. You should not frivolously throughout insult. But that's what he does. I think part of it is his own insecurity as an impostor the president has dismissed the public testimony so far as hearsay but that changes tomorrow when Congress is set to hear from three officials who were on that call between between trump and the Ukrainian president Jennifer Williams a special advisor to the vice president called it unusual and inappropriate and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vitamin Atop Ukraine expert on the National Security Council told investigators I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a US citizen but the most anticipated witness of the week. Is Gordon Sunland. The trump mega donors turned. US Ambassador to the EU Sunland has already revised his testimony. Ramona wants admitting he personally told the Ukrainians that if they wanted. Nearly four hundred million dollars in military aid they would have to publicly. Commit to investigate the Biden's Addi- trump has tried to distance himself. I hardly know the gentleman diplomat. David Holmes testified. He overheard one of their phone calls from a restaurant. On in Kiev trump asking whether Ukrainian president was GonNa do the investigation home says ambassador Sunland replied that he's GonNa do it. Adding that presidents Vince. Alinsky will do anything you ask him to be recall. Conversation recalled no not at all not even a little bit home said Solomon told him when it comes to Ukraine. I mean trump only cares about big stuff big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden investigation tonight. Democrats announced homes to will testify if I in public on Thursday. So let's get right to Mary Bruce. She's live up on the hill to begin another weekend. Mary David Holmes as you just reported there. He'll testify Thursday and we all know. That's one day after Gordon. Insulin and Solomon is perhaps the most anticipated witness of this entire impeachment inquiry. David Sandlin has been acting as a middleman between president trump and Ukraine. He testified lied that he told the Ukrainians at that military aid was contingent on them announcing these investigations but salmon claims he didn't know these were investigations into the Biden's he he has already revised his testimony ones though the big question here now will he change it again David. We'll be watching right there with you. Mary thank you ABC News. We'll have live coverage the hearings on Tuesday whose day Wednesday and Thursday begins tomorrow morning nine. Am Eastern right here on ABC. Meantime President Trump's unannounced visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center on Saturday still raising in questions tonight. The White House now explaining that the president had a free weekend so he went for a quote quick examined labs the first part of his annual physical. They say his first two physical since taking office were scheduled and announced to this one was not the last physical was in February overseas tonight at Hong Kong. Police are tightening the noose around the university campus. Where protesters are holed up tonight? Their supplies now running out police firing pepper spray to try to get them to leave a resting protesters who then escaped the situation. Asian growing more desperate by the hour. ABC Senior Foreign Correspondent Ian Panel. Right there on the scene tonight tonight. The David Versus Goliath battle some cooling this the last stand in the fights between pro democracy protests employee's now in six months police firing rubber bullets water cannon. I and tear gas surrounding combs Poly University with five hundred students and now trapped inside. Protesters responding with bricks bows and arrows and Molotov cocktails once again. The fleet is is not bullets. I think university drinks all around but now many protesters are trapped unable or unwilling to leave their only way out arrest overnight. Those under sixteen have been allowed to leave along with the injured. Though it's it's not clear whether or not they'll still be charged leaving just a few hundred trapped inside who also wants to leave but still refused to surrender David in panel tonight. Thank you and from London this evening. Queen Elizabeth reportedly approving of the interview that her son Prince Andrew gave to the BBC breaking his silence about his friendship with accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and claims that he had sex with a teenager years ago but many are now calling the interview a disaster. And here's even pilgrim tonight. Prince Andrew facing growing backlash after speaking publicly for the first time about his relationship with accused sex trafficker. Jeffrey Epstein. Do I regret the he any has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming yes. I'm the coming. He was a sex offender. I'm sorry I'm being polite the sense that he was the prince telling. BBC's Newsnight he has no regrets about his friendship with Epstein before he was convicted in two thousand eight of soliciting prostitution from a minor but just months after obscene sentence ended. The prince was seen in this video obtained by the Mail on Sunday appearing in the doorway of Epstein's Newark home. He says he came to in their friendship but admits he stayed for four days. That you were staying at. The house was convicted sex offender. It was a convenient place to stay there. Is I mean I've gone through this in my mind so many times at the end of the day A with the benefit of all hindsight that one could have It was definitely the wrong thing to do. The prince insists he never saw any unlawful conduct involving underage girls and has no memory of the seventeen year old in that infamous photo. Don't remember missing. Virginia Robert Giuffra says she was one of Epstein's teenage sex slaves claiming in court filings. He ordered her to have sex with Andrew on three occasions. The prince flatly denies nine. The allegations suggesting the photo could be a fake. I'm not one to visit well. How public displays of affection friction on not some things that I do Andrew claiming he never really party but British media now running a string of photos showing the prince getting cozy busy with multiple women? This after he insisted you phrase account was impossible. She was very specific about that night. She described dancing talking with you. And you profusely sweating and but she went on to have ball possibly slight problem with with with with with the sweating. I said Because I have a peculiar multiple vision which is don't sweat Why didn't sweat at the time I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline? And the Falcons war. When I shot at other friends did say he would be willing? Lean to cooperate and answer questions about obscene if advised to do so by his lawyers but says he wouldn't have much to offer because he claims to have not seen any sort of behavior Epstein has been accused. David even pilgrim. Thank you there is still much more. I'm going to have one more story before we go to break. The Supreme Court issuing a brief stay halting the release of President Trump's tax returns for now the Supreme Court issuing that state of the President and Congress giving both sides ten days to submit arguments. Lower courts have ruled. The President's accountants must turn over over his financial records. The president continues to appeal that decision. And now we move on tonight much more ahead on world news tonight this Monday breaking news. The passenger jet evacuated tonight a passenger passenger with a backpack that was smoking flight attendants jumping into action. When they saw this coming from that bag the heart pounding moment tonight police banging on the door and eight-year-old? The girl saved from the kidnapper who had just been taken from her mother. There in the street in broad daylight and the nor'easter moving up the East Coast Tonight Rain Snow and ice right into to the northeast. We're going to take it out for you a lot more ahead you may have heard about a VPN that was recently breached. Hackers compromised the very thing that Wifi if I users relied on to help keep them private online. Thankfully there's a VPN you can choose. It comes from the trusted leader in Consumer Cybersecurity Norden Secure VPN it uses uses bank grade encryption to help block hackers from stealing the Info you send and receive over Wifi. It's part of the all in one protection. You get with Norton three sixty with lifelock. It includes Norton Secure Secure. VPN device security identity theft protection and more. 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May the MOM fighting for the child pushed out of the suspect's car. One of the most disturbing things about this incident was the randomness of it. Six hours later police call to this hotel seven miles from the abduction induction after a report of a suspicious man with the child. They talk their way in but leave. After a brief search the child is right there buried under close in in this laundry basket two hours later. A family friend helping police search identifies a suspect's car in the parking lot of that same hotel. Fort Worth police racing racing to the scene tactical teams force their way in. Somebody's sitting. Your Hands Pat. Here's apprehending the suspect. But where is the child for a few gut wrenching moments. There's no sign of her but then we got her she pops up right there in the laundry basket David. The kidnapper was was sentenced to life in prison late last week. We're told that brave little girl is doing remarkably well. She's being described as resilient David. We're just glad she's okay. Pierre Thank you to be index of other news scare on Boorda's southwest flooded. CHICAGO'S MIDWAY AIRPORT. Smoke coming from a backpack as passengers were boarding. The plane was evacuated flight attendants putting the backpack back into a fire. Containment bag bomb squads on the scene and overheating battery though could be to blame the nor'easter moving up the coast tonight. The storm battering the Carolinas over the weekend wave. They've smashing through the dunes. In the outer banks fog and icy roads blamed for multi vehicle accident. This is I sixty four and a Gusta County Virginia. More than twenty people heard rain stone ice from New York to Boston. All the way up through Maine through tomorrow and the jeopardy dream match after winning the Tournament of Champions Jeopardy James will now face famous names himself former Champs Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter and the greatest of all time tournament. That's in January in prime time here on. ABC finally to America. Strong the American rescuers in the Bahamas after Hurricane Doreen they discovered a dog trapped for weeks a miracle. It was just last month here. We all learned about the dog named miracle trapped for weeks after Hurricane Dorian ravaged Bahamas. Let's get you baby. Big Dog ranch rescue from Loch to Hatschi Groves Florida finding the dog and you could see how thin he was looking at aware feeding him talking to clearing bring the debris the Acu he was pinned under the dog was hungry but okay rescued him nursed him back named him. Miracle Survived This American. The Mirror Mirror more than ten thousand families responded saying they would adopt him tonight. Miracle has found a new home media on your daughters and someone else in my miracle. Little heavier now healthier and happier all that exercise is all that love today. The family telling us he's gained sixteen pounds and a family makes makes it a great night now miracle and his new home. 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AP Headline News Feb 19 2019 20:00 (EST)

"Brexit hard or soft. No one knows. But if you are an SME or small mid cap likely to be affected by Brexit and are looking to innovate or prepare the Brexit loan scheme could help be prepared for every eventuality and find out how your business could benefit from the Brexit loan scheme loans range from twenty thousand to one and a half million euro with a maximum interest rate of four percent and our unsecured of the half a million euro, terms and conditions apply. This government of Ireland initiative delivered by the SPCA. I find out more at SPCA dot gov dot e or call one eight hundred eight four four eight two. AP radio news. I'm Tim McGuire. President Trump is confident he will prevail. An illegal fight over states that are suing to overturn his declaration of a national emergency at the border with Mexico. Soccer megani reports from the White House sixteen states are suing calling the declaration unconstitutional. The president says he figured legal action was coming and predicts he'll beat it. We have absolute right to do that. I have an absolute right to call national security. We need strong borders. But Democrats say it's executive overreach and want Republicans to stand with them against what? House speaker Nancy Pelosi calls. A brazen assault on the constitution. A top adviser. Here has said the president's prepared to issue. His first veto if congress votes to disapprove of the declaration saga megani at the White House. The president was asked about if it report is true that he talked with then attacting acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker about putting Trump ally. And. Charge of the investigation of his former personal attorney Michael Cohen. I don't know gave you that. This more fake news. Trump will be meeting soon with North Korea's Kim Jong Hoon very exciting. It's going to be the second summit. I think a lot can come from it at least I hope so the denuclearization. Ultimately, the president says he is in no rush to actually make that happen. Colorado. Judge orders project Patrick frac- to stand trial for the motor murder of fiancee's last thanksgiving. The body of Kelsey Berith has yet to be found dramatic testimony was at a pretrial hearing today which relied heavily on what crystal Jean Lee. Kenny said that she and Frasier we're having a relationship, and he wanted her to kill the mother of his one year old daughter Karl Lagerfeld the designer whose work at Chanel and Fendi have had an unprecedented impact on the fashion industry has died in France. This is AP radio news. Annella? Bama woman who left home the join with ISIS in Syria now wants to come back home Twenty-four-year-old Hoda Mathon a who's who married to ISIS fighters both of whom were killed in combat shell so has an eighteen month old child and a staying in a refugee camp, she's written a letter released by attorney in the US that she made a big mistake by running to Syria in two thousand fourteen during her time there, she also used social media to call for violence against the United States State department spokesman Robert palladino says Mathon case in the cases of other Americans in Syria are difficulty. Situation. The American citizens or possible American citizens in Syria is by definition of extremely complicated, president of the Birmingham Islam society says returning her to the US could prove to be valuable in teaching young people about the dangers of being radicalized online. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio feet you with the rhinestone dot collar between us dogs. I just convinced my human of great to a new home with the twelve hundred square foot bathroom. I think she called it a yard with Wells Fargo's three percent down payment on a fixed rate loan. My human realized new home was within reach learn more at wellsfargo dot com slash Wells Fargo home mortgage down payments as low as three percent on a fixed rate loan require mortgage insurance. Ask a home mortgage consultant about loan requirements. Wells Fargo home mortgage is a division of Wells Fargo Bank NA equal housing lender. MLS RIT three nine nine hundred one.

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Nov 19, 2019

Sword and Scale Daily

14:38 min | 1 year ago

Nov 19, 2019

"Hello and welcome to sword and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Tuesday November nineteenth. And this this is your daily true crime report coming up. On sort and scale daily California authorities have arrested five suspects and the Halloween shooting at Arinda airbnb Mansion Party which left five people dead retired. Lumber executive is charged with the murder of his wife who died horrific accident to the head thirty seven years ago. Finally law enforcement agencies arrested a seventy three year old retired Arizona plumber and charged him with the nineteen seventy-nine nine sexual assault and murder of a woman in Nevada. He is suspected in multiple other homicide investigations. And it's considered a possible serial killer all this and more coming up on sword and scaled daily on on Thursday November fourteenth. Five suspects in the October thirty. First Arinda California shooting were arrested in a joint effort by multiple law enforcement agencies. He's the so-called Mansion Party at an AIRBNB rental Arinda California was promoted on social media and in order to attend the event the organizer Needed be contacted to get the address. According to neighbors and police the houses been used as a party. Venue many times in the past two months despite multiple noise always complaints at ten fifty pm on Halloween. Police were already out the address responding to noise complaints when the shooting erupted from inside of the party around one hundred people rushed the officers trying to escape the shooting. Four men died that night. twenty-three-year-old Tom Farley. Twenty four year old Omar Taylor her twenty-three-year-old Ramon Hill and twenty nine year. Old Job in county nineteen-year-old. Osceola Tomkins died in the hospital the following day for others. There's were wounded. These were the first homicides in Orinda since two thousand twelve four of the arrested suspects twenty-eight-year-old Lebron tyree Wallace twenty year. Old jock has to Sean Sweeney. Twenty year old. Jason Aisles and thirty year olds Shammar and Joshua Mitchell were arrested for murder and conspiracy to commit murder. They are currently being held without bail. Another suspect twenty one year old Kevin Williamson. The party's promoter is charged with being an accessory and his bail is set at five hundred thousand dollars in a news conference on Friday the Sheriff of Contra Costa County disclosed that the shooting may have been gang related and through of the victims were gang affiliated Ramon Hill with a San Francisco Page street gang and Javan County with the Marin city's jungle gang many of the partygoers were or carrying weapons and law enforcement have cell phone videos showing them hiding guns. Once they enter the party they believed some of the victims may have also been armed and may have taken part in the shooting. An accusation attempted theft may have also contributed to the eruption of gunfire the owner of the house. Where the party took place told the San Francisco Chronicle goal that they had rented the house to a man who claimed he would be hosting a small family reunion by Orenda ordinance short term? Rentals are allowed only two groups of thirteen people or less AIRBNB has responded to the shooting by Banning Quote Party Mansions and creating a new rapid response team to deal with reports of Party. Houses in our next story brings us to the state of New York on November twelfth. A New York grand jury unsealed second degree murder indictment against sixty seven year. Old Tames Cross Nick Junior for the nineteen eighty two murder of his first wife. Kathleen Cross neck. Who was twenty nine years old at the time of her death? Kathleen Cross neck was was found dead in her bed on February. Nineteenth nineteen eighty two in the Brighton. New York home she shared with her husband James and their three year old daughter. Sarah Kathleen gleaning James. Both from Michigan met in high school and started dating in College. James studied for a PhD economics at Colorado State University and then taught taught at Lynchburg College in Virginia. Before deciding to leave teaching and go into the economic industry they moved to Brighton only six months earlier for his new job at Kodak. Hello James Cross neck raised the alarm on the evening of February nineteenth. When as he told police he arrived home from work and found his wife deceased? He said that when he left the house to go to work at six thirty that morning his wife and daughter were well alive and well asleep. Kathleen was found lying in bed on her right side with her hands. Pulled torch her chest and her head on the pillow she'd been struck in the head with a two and a half foot. Long would shopping acts which was left embedded in her skull three year old. Sara was unharmed in her room. One of the windows had been broken. And what and Mallet used to break. The window had been left outside of the home. Police suspected husband. I'm from the start. The timeline established by the medical examiner did not seem to match his story. Kathleen was estimated to have died sometime between two. AM and ten am on on February nineteenth. This would put her possible time of death for hours before James left for work none of the neighbors saw or heard anything. The Accent Mallet had both come from the cross next garage where police also found a recently washed carpet from the bathroom hanging to dry. The handles from both the acts and in the mallet had been wiped clean on the bedroom floor. Investigators found silverware placed beside a plastic bag. Kathleen's handbag was also on the floor. However the crime scene looked less like a robbery and more like a stage robbery? The House was neat and undisturbed and nothing of value was missing after calling calling the police. James spent five or six hours being interviewed. His parents drove from Michigan and got a hotel room so they could be near and help take care of Sarah. After after midnight. James Cross Nick. Junior went to spend the night with his family promising he would be back at eight thirty the following morning. He never showed up and in fact it would be years years before he would be interviewed again. When police went to the hotel they discover the entire family checked out during the night and headed back to Michigan? Once they're Krause Alsina junior hired an attorney and would only speak to the police under the condition that nothing he said could be used against him in court. He also refused to allow his daughter who was at the house during the murder to be interviewed. The questions police had wanted to ask James were about his academic background. They had learned that. Although James had completed his coursework I work for his PhD Program and had written his dissertation. It had not been accepted thus he never graduated nor attained his doctorate nonetheless. US Cross Nick. Junior had lied to Lynchburg College and Kodak about his credentials they also found that on February nineteenth representatives of Kodak called Colorado State State University to check on his credentials. Initially Kaplan's family supported James completely and supported him to the extent that per detectives. They were not cooperating fully with the investigation however over the years their views have changed and they became certain he was involved the net Schlosser Kathleen sister. You're told the Democrat Chronicle. She believed her sister. Confronted Cross Nick about his lie and this was the reason for the murder immediately following the murder crossing. ossining moved to Michigan where he stayed for a few years working at his father's store. He then moved to Gig harbor in Washington where he enjoyed a successful career as a director actor of sales for a large lumber manufacturer James and his wife recently relocated from Washington to Arizona in two thousand sixteen. The case was submitted it to the FBI cold case unit for analysis. In this particular case. It's not the presence of physical evidence but rather it's absence that per police tied crossing rosny junior to the crime no DNA from anyone other than family was discovered at the scene. He is free on a one hundred thousand dollars bail and his trial is scheduled to begin in June. After the break. A seventy-three old Arizona man is charged with an unsolved nineteen seventy nine murder. Police say he is also being investigated in connection with multiple other homicides in two states now for our final story on Fridays. Seventy three year. Old Charles Gary Sullivan was extradited from Arizona to Nevada to face trial for the nineteen seventy nine murder of twenty one year old. Julia Woodward Sullivan. A retired. Plumber is also believed to be connected to the nineteen seventy eight murder of Jeanie Smith and police say he a suspected in several other homicide investigations in Nevada and Arizona. Julia Woodward was last seen on February. First Nineteen seventy-nine at San Francisco Cisco Airport intending to get on a plane to South Lake Tahoe. where she was relocating her body was discovered on March? Twenty fifth nineteen seventy nine in a shallow grave in hungry angry valley a desolate stretch of Nevada desert just north west of sparks. She was lying face down for ice covered with elastic bandages. And her legs secured occurred with plastic ties. A scarf around her neck that had been used as a gag she'd been bludgeoned to death with rocks that were left at the scene. There was evidence of of sexual assault and police told the Reno Gazette Journal. She may have been walked into the desert blindfolded. She'd been dead for about one week when her body was discovered. Police cannot find records of where Woodward had spent the nearly two months between when she left California and win her body was found however before leaving. California Woodward worked as is a waitress in November of nineteen seventy-nine hunters discovered a second set. A female remains in a shallow grave. Roughly fifteen miles away from where Woodward's body had had been found the bones which were visible to the hunters because wildlife had dragged them out of the ground. Were determined to be those of seventeen year old Genie Smith a resident of Reno. I know the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. Smith worked as a waitress at the circus. Circus Casino in Reno. Genie had been reported missing. And the last last time she was seen alive was October. Twenty seventh nineteen seventy eight. She had stopped by the Casino even though it was her day off to talk to friends. A Co worker at the casino. Oh Patti bown told. Police man had come in the restaurant that night to ask for Smith. She was busy so he sat and talked to Patti for twenty minutes until genie came the two then left the casino together hugging. She described the man to police as a white man. Five seven five eight about one hundred and seventy five pounds with Wavy Sandy. The hair who looked like a construction worker in two thousand eight was shoe. County Sheriff's Detectives told the Reno Gazette Journal. They believe the same perpetrator may have murdered both women and because of the many similarities between them both young and pretty both were waitresses. They were both discovered in shallow graves in the same area and both died from blunt force trauma to the head. The case evidence was recently re-submitted for analysis hoping the advancements forensic science may yield new clues they recover for DNA which led them to Sullivan. Who worked as a locksmith and a plumber? Before retiring in Arizona he and his wife lived in a secluded cabin in an area that had no paved roads. It must have been quite the shock for neighbors when armed units from agencies including the FBI the US marshals and multiple sheriff's departments from both Nevada and Arizona. Sony arrived police then conduct a thorough search of the house and property with cadaver dogs. Police confirmed he is suspected in multiple other homicide site. Investigations Sullivan is due to be arraigned in Nevada. Today before we go. We have an update on the manhunt of marine deserter. Michael Alexander Brown who is still at large in Virginia Brown. A deserter from Camp Lejeune is suspected in the killing of his mother's boyfriend. Rodney Brown Rodney. Brown was shot to death in his home in heart. Virginia near Roanoke on November Ninth Brown is an experienced camper and navigator who knows the area well and maybe a be hiding in the wilderness. He has been seen several times near Roanoke at four. Am Thursday November fourteenth. A man police believed to be Brown with seeing Mir. His grandmother's Mother's house due to safety concerns all schools in Ronan were closed on Thursday the FBI and US marshals are involved in the manhunt another another update that came in as we were recording the show tonight. There is a verdict and sentence in the case of Patrick swayze frizzy face to murder charges three charges of soliciting to commit a murder and one of tampering with the deceased body in connection with the two thousand eighteen murder of his fiancee. Kelsey Berith yesterday November eighteenth. Colorado jury found Patrick swayze guilty on all charges. The prosecution argues that phrase had planned births murder for months before killing her on Thanksgiving Day a two thousand eighteen crystal Lee raises on and off. Girlfriend testified against him during trial telling the jury he admitted beating birth to death with a baseball ball bat she also told the jury how crazy demanded she helped him clean the crime scene and how he later burned Barrett's body and the murder weapon on his Colorado Farm Phrases defense claimed that the prosecution's case was made up of nothing but circumstantial evidence following the guilty verdict. Frasier was sentenced to life without the possibility of of parole with an additional one. Hundred fifty six years. That's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow and until then stay safe. The sword and scale daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Hagar Barack executive producer. Mike if you like to show subscribe and leave us a review. 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Full Episode: Thursday, September 5, 2019

Nightline

19:47 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Thursday, September 5, 2019

"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you. Connect with your professional counselor l. slur in a private online environment scheduled secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get ten percent off your first month by going to better better help dot com slash nightline. This is nightline tonight twists and turns connecticut mom missing for more than three months her estranged husband and his girlfriend the object of police interest exhausting fight. I love the children. That's about it now. The surveillance images tracking incriminating details after her disappearance shedding new light on the mystery and virtual v._i._p. Getting the party started with frog no access from the comfort of your couch tapping into virtual reality like you've <music> never seen before the live music app bringing users onstage good evening. Thank you for joining us. Jennifer delos dropped off her five children at school all in may and was never seen again now the trail of clues and a second round of arrests shedding light on who's being targeted in the investigation into her disappearance. Here's a._b._c.'s which johnson a case of truth lies in connecticut jennifer dula of loving mother of five children initially for more than one hundred days palm considered a crime scene or disappearance. A mystery police think they are close to solving the main players in the disappearance of jennifer delos have been arrested again. They surrendered to face new charges. Yesterday not stools jennifer's this range husband husband taken into custody for a second time and again charged with tampering with evidence in her disappearance and there's not much here that we hadn't heard before and i questioned the wisdom some of these charges at this late date. We intend to plead not guilty to these charges. It's an exhausting fight. I love my children seem very interested they do but where's the murder charge today his girlfriend michelle tra- conus also arrested facing that same tampering charge remember that michelle is presumed the senate should police released detailed thirty eight page warrants complete with surveillance images cellphone data and dna analysis showing a trail of suspicious activity in the days following jennifer dulas disappearance critical new evidence includes toconas admitting that she had not been truthful full during previous questioning. The detectives have slowly built what appears to be a circumstantial case against fotoula. They clearly think that he committed the murder but they wanna wanna put all the pieces together before officially charging him with that crime the mystery started in the wealthy rely suburb of new canaan connecticut you all the rich people in new york city leave in the afternoons and go to new canaan. That's where they live. It's quite the enclave long story short short. There are not a lot of murders kidnaps going down in the main streets of new canaan. It was a friday morning and late may almost the end of the academic year when jennifer dulas dropped off her five children for school surveillance cameras show. She returned her rented home around eight. O'clock then vanished we love you and we are doing everything we can to bring you home hours. Later worried friends called the police after she missed several appointments. Disappearance sparked an intense search stretching across all state lines making headlines in the national news new developments in the case of that missing mother of five overnight her estranged husband speaking in a new interview her estranged husband and his live in girlfriend appearing in court cops immediately start with a time line and trying to figure out if she left on her own but then then they discover her s._u._v. seemingly abandoned drones canines and a helicopter scoured the area per vehicle found near wooded park but he evidence discovered inside her rented home. I'll police affidavit released back in june revealed that authorities found numerous bloodstains on the garage floor multiple areas of suspected blood spattered and evidence of attempts to clean the crime scene the affidavit. It says blood spat turn stadler. That's significant that affidavit showing that jennifer was the suspected victim of serious physical assault jennifer info tease had been in the midst of a bitter divorce battle and court documents. Jennifer seemed to fear for her safety claiming in twenty seventeen. I am afraid of my husband. I know that filing for divorce and filing this motion will enrage him. I know he will retaliate by trying to harm me. In some way photos dula strongly denied any threatening being behavior calling his wife incapable of parenting because she allegedly was taking antipsychotic and anti anxiety medication. I've seen it so many times every time it's heartbreaking jennifer said at the time the split started. She was afraid she was afraid to file for divorce. She was afraid her husband would seek vengeance on her little more than a week. After jennifer's disappearance the first arrest of husband folks choose and his live in girlfriend michelle that police affidavit in june found clothing and sponges stained with what appeared to be blood found in the trash investigators say surveillance cameras captured a man appearing to be delos discarding more than thirty garbage bags delos his cellphone records showing pains in that area the time the blood confirmed to be jennifer's whereas delos conan's appeared in court on charges of tampering with evidence evidence and hindering prosecution bree months later a similar scene the new detail police arrest warrants complete with timestamps surveillance images spell out how police say toconas lied to them about potential alabaman's the authorities now say that he actually had an alibi script the he and his girlfriend had been rehearsing she had told police she and delos took a shower together the morning jennifer disappear providing an alibi for him now. She admits she did not see him that morning. Instead police believe deluxe was jennifer's house lying in wait. What's so significant isn't just that she's talking to police but it sounds like she's offering incriminating evidence the minute he loses her as is his alibi witness. A lot of his defense gets much much weaker. Investigators also say delos borrowed a co workers red toyota tecoma d._n._a. Found this seat of that truck was matched to jennifer's something. The police brought up when they questioned recode us last month. She also was asked about why that truck was taken to be washed in detailed and she told the police well. You told me there was blood there so it must be because jennifer's <unk> body was inside that truck this tragedy just the latest in a string of cases what were once romantic relationships turned violent in august two thousand eighteen eighteen police in colorado were conducting an investigation into the disappearance of shoe non watts and her two little daughters her husband chris initially lied to police before confessing they want said he buried his two daughters in oil tanks and their pregnant mother in a shallow grave pleading guilty to murder in exchange for no death the penalty his description of how he killed them for a fox so she went into the tank and bellows. Oh still in the back of the truck live sampling that happened to me as i can over to said no daddy what's is now serving life in prison without the possibility of parole another torius case in colorado class december patrick swayze was arrested a month after his fiancee vanished frazee in twenty nine year old kelsey berith shared daughter this surveillance video inside side of woodland park safeway captured the last known images of berith shopping with the baby ten days later her mother not her fiance reported her missing so he's not the kind that runs off frizzy and berith didn't live together and according to police frasier told officers. He hadn't seen his fiancee's. I'd say since thanksgiving when he picked up their daughter kayleigh frazee remains in custody and has pleaded not guilty to murder back in connecticut connecticut. The disappearance of jennifer delos remains unsolved the five children living with her grandparents dulas fighting for custody for now how conus or out of jail fitted with ankle monitors law enforcement watching their every move what they don't wanna get accused of is rushing to judgment and so they're taking their time putting the case together but it's clear that they think that he committed a murder for nightline. I'm we're johnson in norwalk. Connecticut delos is due in court next week up next imagine a front rosie to imagine dragons the new virtual reality app that lets you see concerts up-close from your living room. Ah tied down at work. Don't let your search for software. Kill some revive's ditch the office overtime and find options for your business in minutes with capterra read hundreds and thousands of reviews and make finding the right software a breeze. 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If if you wanna rock out with a band like a magic dragon hardy with wiz khalifa or hang with kelly clarkson all without getting out of your pajamas well you're in luck. There's a new frontier here in virtual reality a multibillion dollar industry now a pioneering live music app called melody v._r. is allowing fans to go from from couch potato to virtual v._i._p. With a touch of your screen literally you can watch my entire meaning of life tore for v._r. Everyone's here is my whole. Tour is on v._r. Place at the wrong marshmallow and country restart came brown rocks stage jamais summer concert with their hit one thing right and viewers everywhere on their phones were able to get that immersive experience to we win behind the scenes where for the first time melody v._r. Live streamed and a live televised concert marshmallow. Are you excited others awesome <hes>. I've been trying to really for awhile the gamer. No mill is a big gamer damer. It'd be cool. There's all these cameras that are on stage that give people like three sixty view of all these different angles yes so you're you're you're under like complete surveillance all over the place if you won't who jumps with different locations or different jumps but we simply precedent here and it will take hugh to the other location on the other side of the stage melody c._e._o. Anthony match it was an audio engineer when he began again developing the app when i saw the first early prototype gripped thought. Wouldn't it be amazing if you put me on stage the rolling stones and charge me ten dollars to do that. It'd be something i i would love to do and do the cameras rotate. They get everything around us today. He's showing us how it works without the glasses required for most b. r. i think when people people think of the are they normally think of the glasses so if you haven't oculus down did our app on their news it unusual oculus device but for so many people that don't have inoculate is really impresses impresses well. It'll be on mobile. We're going to go on the stage right now. Let's see how it works. You don't feel like your ride hair out of the ban so that that camera is for the band of the camera on its right hand. Virtual concerts are just the latest in this fast growing industry v._r. Is moving beyond entertainment. It's now l. being studied as a tool for pain management at cedars sinai medical center in los angeles. They'll come usually say like. I feel really peaceful. I feel really calm. I'm now and i'll say how's your pain and sometimes they'll say oh my god i forgot about that. Guy's going to put the headsets back on in chicago kogo. The chicago p._d. Launched a pilot program that uses v._r. To train police officers on how to interact with people experiencing mental health crisis isis but most are still using virtual reality for pure entertainment. We decided to experience it firsthand at v._r. World in new york city. You must be adam kimberlin nice v._r. World i'm excited atom. Louder is my tour guide and teacher v._r. World is a virtual reality playground with three floors of insane virtual reality experiences stuff. You can do alone selector weapon for this this round games you can play impairs and ventures that require a whole group. It's all happening so get warmed up on an experience for artists. We we start with controllers. Then of course the goggles called the oculus. Look okay great then. I'm off painting my own rainbow masterpiece trapeze that i can walk through under and around offer on the other side who are in and then it's it's time for v._r. 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A little fan simulates the wind that makes it so much harder than at the end of the plank step of fate. It's just one inch in real life with so much more in virtual reality. We're the ground a little bit a little bit more richer foot out. What's happening the okay. I'm standing there safe and sound. I feel like i'm falling in my head. Wow guys. I don't uneven have back in central park. The marshmallow and kane brown concert is in full swing and fans around the world. See the duo whoa perform marshmallows hit song happier the shoe to the <hes> after the show a sense of relief mixed with excitement for the team. That's like a a live concert from their their living selling their couch and and literally see everything on the stage. There's another thing i could say. I did berkeley mellow for nightline. I'm kimberly brooks in new york now finally tonight. A record insight looks like tennis superstar. Serena williams is on the way to breaking her u._s. 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Full Episode: Friday, November 5, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:10 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Friday, November 5, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then. Zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. The impeachment hearings and the stunning moment live television submit. The hearing was was interrupted with the tweet from president trump as the former ambassador to Ukraine testified about the smear campaign against her then the tweet from the president targeting her as she testified late today the president is asked was it witness intimidation also breaking tonight two planes colliding the images just coming in now one on top of the other emergency crews on the scene at this hour the possible fuelling just in tonight the major decision in the case of Rodney Reed who was facing execution within days what we have just learned guilty on all counts the president's longtime associate Roger Stone found guilty. How much time does he face in federal prison? Also tonight nyc Prince Andrew talking about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. The interview in which he's asked about the young woman in this photograph who says she was forced to have sex with him when she was a teenager. Ager what he says about her tonight. News on the deadly school shooting the terror. Sixteen seconds long. And what we've now learned about the gunman the punishment is in tonight right after the NFL brawl overnight the player who's now been suspended indefinitely and the FDA warning tonight involving common over the counter medications. What you you need to know and the epic rematch? Millions will watch tonight this is ABC news tonight with David Muir anything. It's great to have you with us here at a very busy Friday. We do have several breaking headlines. If we're going to begin with that stunning moment that played out today during the impeachment hearings on live television in front of millions aliens of Americans former ambassador to Ukraine Maria. Vich who joined the Foreign Service under President Reagan was testifying about the smear campaign against her before she was then ousted did from her job and then describing her shock when she learned president trump brought up her name with the president of Ukraine on that infamous phone call saying she was bad news and that she's going to go through some things she described how that was threatening unsettling and then today the tweet from president trump right in the middle of it all. They read it to her on live TV. She was stunned again. Democrats and Republicans taken aback and ABC's Mary Bruce Lee off tonight from the hill. The ousted ambassador to Ukraine Maria von a- Vich came to tell her story story of being targeted by the president's allies. Not knowing that she would soon be targeted again. I come before you. As an American citizen who has devoted voted the majority of my life thirty three years to service to the country that all of us love as ambassador. She says she came under attack. By the president's personal personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. Who saw her as an obstacle to the politically motivated investigations? Trump was hoping for that. She was smeared by the president's son and host on Fox News looking to save her job. She reached out for advice from the president's mega donor in US ambassador to the EU. Gordon Samland. He suggested that that I needed to go big or go home. And he said that The best thing to do would be to Send out a tweet. Praise the president that sort of thing. And what was your reaction to that advice. Well well my reaction was that I'm sure he meant well. But it was not advice that I could really follow. It felt it felt partisan felt political but then in April in the middle of the night. A call from an official at the State Department. She said that There were great concerns is There were concerns up the street and she Said I needed to get on home. Come home immediately get on the next plane To the US. And I asked her why and she said she wasn't sure but there were concerns about my security. There were concerns up the street. What did you understand that to me? The White House out of that make you feel terrible honestly back in the US. She said a top State Department official told her she had done nothing wrong. Then in September Ivanovich stunned as you read the transcript of the president's phone call with Ukrainian leader trump calling her quote bad news adding she's going to go through some things. I was shocked absolutely shocked and devastated. Frankly it was the terrible moment on a person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color drains from my face. I think I even had a physical reaction I think even now we're kind of family. Did you feel threatened then. That's stunning moment. As you. Von Vich testified about this smear campaign against her. She was being smeared again in real time time by the president as we sit here testifying. The president is attacking you on twitter. And I like to give you a chance to respond. I'll read part of one of his tweets everywhere. Marie Ivanovich went turn bad. She started off Somalia. How did that go but would you? I'd like to respond to the president's attack that everywhere you went turn bad I I mean I don't think I have such powers not Mogadishu's Somali smaller not in other places. I actually think that Where I've served over the years I and others have demonstrably made things better with a stark warning. The president real time is attacking you you. What effect do you think that has on other witnesses? Willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing. Well it's very intimidating. Well I want to let you know that some of us here take witness intimidation. Asian varies very seriously after the trump tweet even Republicans applauding the ambassador your toughest nails. And you're smart as Hell I. You're a a great example of what our ambassadors are should be like. We are lucky to have you in foreign service and I wanNA thank you for your tremendous public service but Republicans Republicans argued that Uganda testimony is not relevant to impeachment that she returned from her post well before the president withheld nearly four hundred million dollars in military terry assistance to Ukraine. As he was asking them to investigate the Biden's do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States h has been involved with at all again and again Republicans said the president has a right to remove any ambassador he wants. What's your Banovic agreed but added this question? What I'd like to say is I obviously? Don't dispute that. The president has the right to to withdrawn ambassador at at at any time for any reason but what I do wonder is why it was necessary. Sorry to smear my reputation and after five hours of testimony Ivanovich exiting applause. The so. Let's get to Mary. Bruce live on the hill tonight. And there's still more unfolding. We know Mary at this hour earlier this week as we were watching the first day of televised hearings. US diplomat the top diplomat in Ukraine. Revealing staffer overheard president trump through the phone. Call the day after that infamous call with the president of Ukraine and That he was checking in on the investigations. That was the word used in testimony. This week has been backed up tonight. Well that David. Holmes was sitting in a restaurant in Kiev when he overheard the president on a phone. Call Call with embassador sunland now according to home as opening statement obtained by. CNN home says that the president was talking so loudly that basalt had to hold the phone away from his ear home. Who says he heard the president? Ask about those investigations and afterwards homes reportedly says that Sunland told him. The president only cares about quote. Big stuff big stuff. The benefits the president like the Biden investigation. David Mary Bruce. A Long Day on the hill you were with us every step of the way thank you. President trump was pressed. I late today about that. Tweet in the middle of testimony from Maria Vich he was asked was it. Witness intimidation witness tampering. Here's what he told our GIANCARL. Mr President Oh what do you say to Democrats say you were witness tampering. This morning when you a made that tweet attack transparency well talk about transparency see I like transparency here and I'm the most transparent president in history and I'll tell you about what tampering is tampering when a guy like shifty shift doesn't let us have lawyers lawyers tampering is when shift doesn't let us have witnesses doesn't let us speak. I've been watching their questions really sad. When you see eh? People not allowed to ask questions. There was no due process. I think there has never been a disgrace. Like what's going on right now. So you know what what I I have the right to speak. I have freedom of speech just as other people do. Let's get to Giancarlo. He's live at the White House tonight and John. The President says he has the right to speak. We just heard him say that there and the Democratic Chair Adam Schiff said today with millions watching that they will take witness intimidation very seriously John even blindsided a some Republicans were blindsided by this tweet. Republicans were blindsided David and unhappy about it Republican congresswoman Liz. Cheney said the president was wrong saying quote Ivanovich is somebody somebody who's been a public servant to the United States for decades. I don't think the president should have said that White House officials were caught by surprise as well one official hoteling ABC News. They were quote flabbergasted. by the tweet calling an avoidable error that said officials here insisting that this was not not witness tampering. They point out that the president tweeted after he had already started her testimony and wouldn't have known about it if Schiff had mentioned it During the testimony Simoni Giancarlo live at the White House. John and Mary thanks to you. Our coverage of the impeachment hearing for tonight and we are also following another developing story two planes colliding at the airport in San Antonio Tonia one plane ending up on top of the other right next to the runway. ABC's David Curly with images coming in now. Investigators tonight want to know exactly how these two private jets. That's ended up in a tangled mess. One Cessna on top of another in San Antonio Airport emergency crews responded worried about three hundred gallons of fuel which leaked from one of the aircraft. One of the jets had been parked on the ramp for more than a week. A source tells. ABC News that second aircraft arriving from San Jose was taxing on the ramp when it accidentally thrusted and careened into the parked aircraft. There was only one person involved in this accident. The pilot of the jet the digest landed that pilot was not injured and the emergency crews were able to contain that fuel spill. David David curly with us. Live David thank you another late. Developing have been tonight involving that high profile death row inmate. Rodney Reed who was just days away from execution tonight. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals Issuing read an indefinite stay of execution for murder conviction. twenty-three years ago putting execution on hold his case has been taken up by the innocence project and by some famous names including Kim Kardashian and Briana retelling retelling. ABC's Deborah Roberts in an interview saw right here that he is innocent that he's always maintained that his lawyers say they continue to focus on new evidence in the case now to the verdict Arctic tonight involving Roger Stone guilty on all counts the president's longtime associate guilty of lying to Congress and witness tampering and obstruction. Now facing what could be significant perfect time in federal prison. Here's chief justice correspondent Pierre Thomas Tonight so called dirty trickster. Roger Stone and political disciple of Richard Nixon emerging from the courthouse moments after he was found guilty on all seven counts of witness tampering obstruction and lying to Congress Donald Trump's longtime friend and one of his first political advisors now facing years in prison described. His turning beat. Red As the jury's verdict was read prosecutors argued stone obstructed instructed congressional probe into how Russia funnel stolen democratic emails to wikileaks to interfere with the two thousand sixteen election former trump campaign. Chief Steve Bannon testifying stone was the unofficial access point to wikileaks wikileaks. I love wikileaks. Stone denied he ever had conversation with Donald Trump about Russia at trial phone records that had been redacted from the Public Muller Report Reveals Stone repeatedly spoke with candidate trump during during the summer of two thousand sixteen at the same time he was chasing those stolen emails from wikileaks David Stone. Joyce never the presence advisors associates who have have been convicted ranging from its former national security advisor to his personal determining the charges amount to a maximum of decades in prison other. He will likely face. Far less incarceration ratio. But we don't yet know is whether stone will be pardoned and never see prison David Pierre Thomas Tonight as well thank you. Peer we turn next to the interview. Britain's is Prince Andrew Breaking his silence on his relationship with accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. What he said about a young woman who claims he was forced to have sex with him when she was a teenager? Here's ABC's ABC's even pilgrim tonight tonight. Prince Andrew Breaking his silence about the teenager in this two thousand one photo who says she was forced by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with the prince the prince claiming an exclusive interview with the BBC. He doesn't remember meeting her. One of Epstein's accuses Virginia Roberts Diaz made allegations Gatien's against you. She says she met you in two thousand and one. She says she dined with you. Danced with you at trump nightclub in London. She she went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Garland Maxwell your friend your response. I have no recollection of F. You don't remember. Virginia Roberts dupree now a thirty five year. Old Mother says British Socialite Lynn. Maxwell recruited her at age sixteen then groomed her to become Epstein teenage sex slave in court filings in a defamation case against Maxwell jofre claimed Epstein ordered her to have sex with some of his powerful friends including on three occasions Prince Andrew in London. Ah epsteins home in New York and on his private Caribbean island. He knows exactly what he's done and I hope he comes clean about as Galician Maxwell. She has not been charged with any crime and has insisted that all ju- phrase allegations including those about Prince Andrew our faults but tonight the prince addressing his long relationship with Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor in two thousand eight and became listed as a registered sex offender the prince seen in this video obtained by the Daily Mail appearing. In the doorway of Epstein's home problem was that once he had been convicted state. But that's that's that's the bit that that as it were. I kick myself O on a daily basis because it was not something that was becoming amendment royal family and we try uphold the highest standards of on prices and let some present Epstein died of an apparent suicide in jail awaiting trial for child sex trafficking charges still jofre and dozens. Of ABC's accusers are vowing to get answers. I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced until these people are brought to justice basis and prosecutors are looking into whether anyone else participated in or facilitated abuse as for the palace they have released statements denying Prince Andrew had any he sexual contact with you fray and say he never witnessed any behavior of the sort Epstein was accused and convicted of David pilgrim tonight beaver. Thank you we. We are also following news tonight involving deadly school shooting in Santa Clarita California. They are still trying to find some sort of a motive. The sixteen year old suspect accused of killing two students wounding several others. Firing six shots in just sixteen seconds. The suspect is in critical condition tonight after shooting himself to police just today saying they know of no warning thing signs. That might have come in before that shooting. There is still much more ahead on world news tonight. This Friday the bombshell testimony. Today you'll remember seeing the mother with her baby at that store on Thanksgiving having the surveillance will tonight the major development in that murder trial also the FDA warning tonight involving common over the counter. Medications what you need to know and and major temperature change on the way yet again and the storm system coming this weekend. More news ahead here on a Friday night. I'll be right back. Hey I'm Dan Harris from ABC News. And I have a podcast and you should listen to it. It's called ten percent happier. It's all about how to stay sane in our increasingly insane insane world. We talked to everybody from the Dalai Lama signs. Vidi born June. Two rupaul. You have to explore this life. It's fun on interesting. May Even Change Your Life. You can listen to it for free on apple podcasts. or on your favorite podcasts. At the bombshell testimony the trial the man accused of murdering his fiancee. That young mother last seen on Thanksgiving what we learned just today. And here's Clayton Sandell tonight. An inmate who spent time with Patrick swayze crazy in county jail testified that just weeks before phrase. He went on trial for murder. He tried to hire a prison gang to kill witnesses. Set to testify against him. You you see him. He's in cuffs. FRAC- is accused of beating fiance. Kelsey Berith to death last Thanksgiving using a baseball bat. A prosecution expert testifying today. Frazee likely likely hit Berith. Ten to fifteen times phrase's former mistress. krystal Lee is one of a dozen witnesses who appear on phrase's alleged hitlist. She admitted to cleaning leaning up a devastating crime scene. Climbing on Barrett's kitchen counters to wipe down the blood splattered walls prosecutors say FRAC- pass those names to his fellow. Inmate allegedly writing. They all need to disappear and I'd really like to see crystal with a bullet in her head. Frazee allegedly wanted the notes flushed but the inmate hoping for a lighter sentence on his own charges. Turn them over to investigators. Frasier has pleaded not guilty. The jury will begin deciding his fate on Monday. David Clean. Thank you to the index of other news tonight the punishments now handed down after that. NFL brawl the Browns myles Garrett suspended indefinitely for hitting steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph with his own helmet. Talk to other players also suspended tonight both teams fine two hundred fifty thousand dollars the FDA warning tonight to dollar tree and family tree stores about selling possibly unsafe over to count drugs cosmetics and acne pads from overseas companies that violate federal standards. Their parent company is cooperating. And here comes the cold again. After a brief reprieve wind chills in the northeast will plummet overnight as low as the single digits and a storm off the Carolina coast rain high winds in the east up into the northeast ice by the end of the weekend. Funny Tonight Willoughby's jeopardy James or m the librarian tonight's the night jeopardy James in the final game and the rematch young librarian who took them out. Last time. Amateur Emma Becher from Chicago laughing but who will be laughing when it's over so Emma it's up to you and the last time breaking James's thirty two game winning streak any that two point four million dollar run again. How my last night? The battle began some kind of a jeopardy fantasy league. Did your three selections wind up being Emma James Francois James off to a good start James with Jack The ripper. Yeah James. What is Sri Lanka? Emma Close James. What does Westminster grabby? No Emma say all all comes down to tonight we shall see. I'm Dave you'll have a great and safe weekend. I'll see you Monday. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then. Zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started. 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Full Episode: Thursday, November 08, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:44 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Thursday, November 08, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then. Zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Breaking news is former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg preparing to jump into the race for president the news coming in now former mayor and billionaire businessman and the major step tonight stickling. He could soon be in the race. What this could mean for Joe Biden Elizabeth with Warren and what Bloomberg famously said about then candidate Donald Trump? Also tonight the deadly plane crash right into a home of father and baby inside the home barely escaping the flames. The images coming in late today. Sage was driving tonight. The major storm icy roads. Rain snow black ice from Texas all the way up to the northeast. We're watching this tonight. Up to a half of snow in some parts Rob Marciano appeared time it out late developments in the search for missing college student last seen being non-surveillance at a convenience store news tonight of a suspect and the mother of Natalie Holloway now helping the family the major bus tonight involving the US military Harry Federal Authorities Rating Technology Company accused of selling the US military surveillance at security equipment made in China but labeling it made the USA chilling testimony tonight number case that made national headlines. You'll remember the mother last seen on Thanksgiving child tonight. Her fiance charged at his hidden hidden girlfriend. Now a star witness for the prosecution at what she said were the final words from the victim. Scare the water to boats flipping at high speed side-by-side at news tonight of recall involving two million pounds of chicken. This is ABC news tonight with David View. Good evening it's great to have you with a Thursday night and we begin tonight with that developing headline a potential shakeup in the race for president tonight former New York City mayor. Michael Bloomberg is is he about to run this evening the billionaire businessman and the major signal. He might soon be in filing to run in at least one state's presidential primary just before an approaching deadline deadline if he runs what could this mean for front runners Joe Biden and Elizabeth. Warren and Michael Bloomberg has a long history with his fellow New York businessman President Trump. ABC's Mary Bruce Leading US off tonight tonight. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is sending a jolt through the presidential race. ABC News has confirmed. The billionaire. Plans style paperwork tomorrow putting his name on the Democratic primary ballot in Alabama Bloomberg a centrist who has become an active proponent of gun reform is an outspoken critic critic of president trump. I'm a New Yorker and I know a con when I see one. Top Bloomberg advisers says the former mayor considers the president an unprecedented threat to our nation. But Bloomberg's possible plan to enter. The campaign comes amid mounting questions about whether the leading Democratic candidates Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren have what it takes to defeat Donald Trump. Well if true. This certainly would be a shakeup. Mary Bruce Live in Washington tonight and Mary. We know Michael Bloomberg Eric has laid the groundwork here for presidential campaign with this initial paperwork just before this deadline but tonight he hasn't officially decided whether he's GonNa run well David Bloomberg Bloomberg aides tell us he is simply keeping his options. Open here filing this paperwork that would allow him to run if he decides to but we are already getting reaction from the campaign trail tonight Bernie Sanders Sanders is campaign saying quote more billionaire seeking more political power. Surely isn't the change. America needs David. The first reaction already coming in Mary. Thank you and to the other news this Thursday night and the deadly plane crash in California right into a home of father. Baby barely escaping the flames. They were inside plunging into this home. That crowded suburban suburban neighborhood fire quickly spreading at father and his baby getting out alive. The plane was bound for an airport about a half mile away from that location at. ABC's chief national correspondent. Matt Gutman at the scene tonight tonight the disaster in a heavily populated neighborhood a single engine plane slamming into a home combining an inferno. I spoke at the end of the runway to four airplanes. In order down I was leaving. Go doing it went up to the boom. It was miraculously accurately a father and his eighteen month old baby boy in the home when the planes struck escaping alive. It's unbelievably lucky away. This plane went down and where they were able to escape and it landed right into their living room. The pilot though killed on impact the plane equipped with a giant parachute system designed to save the plane from catastrophic crashes that parachute visible in the burning debris it's unknown if the pilot deploy the parachute or if it opened on impact. I can't speak to whether or not he did. I will tell you that it was fully involved and that parents you can burned up quickly the first emergency calls coming in just before eleven. AM multiple homes catching fire emergency crews scrambling to put it out incredible pictures. Let's get to Mac and he joins US live from the scene of the crash tonight. Matt you've learn more about that fathers miraculous escape from his home with his baby boy especially given the impact. You're the neighbor right behind me. said that she was feet away. When that plane hit it sounded like a massive bomb going off and that Father David he was in the backyard racing in scooping up his son and running back out incredibly both of them unscathed? David Murray matchup tonight. Thank you next to the major storm in the Arctic blast I stretching from Texas all the way up through New York and Maine dangerous driving tonight up to a half a foot of snow already in some places and snowy buffalo tonight. A man was rescued from the Niagara River after two hours in the icy water tonight. Rain and snow stretching across the northeast. We time it out for you in. ABC's Alex Perez from the storm zone tonight that white knuckle ride on snow. Covered roads in Flint Michigan icy overpasses. A freezing much faster than the highway below and in New York not far from the famous Niagara Falls a first responders making a daring rescue. They have a rope attached and they have been trying to get him out. Oh man in the raging fifty one degree Niagara River for more than two hours. I just kept on hell common. I gotcha got you. We're not going anywhere bystanders. Vice standards cheering as he's pulled to safety. The massive storm stretching across more than two thousand miles from Maine to Texas all this after a deadly day on the roads in Wisconsin Wednesday. The driver of this car did not survive after hitting a disabled semi on the shoulder of Interstate. Forty three and David here in traverse city Michigan. They'll be dealing with lake effect snow through tomorrow and then comes the coldest air of the season. It'll feel like fifteen degrees here in the morning. David We knew it was coming out of things to you. Let's get right to senior meteorologist. Rob Marciano live here in New York City on the west side highway tonight tracking it all. Hey Rob Hi. Hi David ran ahead of this very potent cold front as Alex mentioned another wave of coal behind it look at this on the radar huge stretch of rain from Texas across the South and all the way up into Maine where it turns to snow inland. That's where the cold air seeping. We've got the lake. Effect of course The rain moves off the coast tonight. Maybe an ancient some of the areas north and west of I ninety five but it's the cold air. That's a big story below freezing in the big cities tomorrow morning. Hope your home is winner. Is Boston New York City and that cold air gets all the way into the deep south. Saturday freeze watches. Posted teens and twenties for wind chills and here comes next. Arctic blast for Monday Tuesday. We're talking wind chills. That will be below zero in this sort of Colt setup. Some folks will be seeing some snow. David All right Rob Marciano. Thanks to you as well tonight like now to other news and president trump and has been ordered to pay two million dollars as part of a settlement over his one time charitable foundation a civil lawsuit alleged the president and his three eldest children use the foundation for business campaign interests. Tonight the president has agreed to pay the money. Where will it go? ABC's Terry Moran now from the White House that trump foundation condition was once a source of good publicity for Donald Trump but in today's court settlement the president admits he repeatedly used the charity for his own personal purposes paying fines and legal expenses at his mar-a-lago resort in Florida. And it has golf course in New York and the president now admits two point eight million dollars. There's raised for veterans at this trump foundation charitable fundraiser. In Iowa in two thousand sixteen was then given over to the trump presidential campaign to disperse before. The I ALWA- caucuses vets. And you gotta like it because we raised over five million dollars in one day. The trump foundation also spent thirty thousand dollars was on two portraits of Donald Trump himself and twelve thousand dollars for a sign. Football Helmet former quarterback. Tim Tebow the foundation has now folded and today. The judge judge ordered the president to pay two million dollars to charity in a statement at trump foundation spokesman said it was pleased to donate the two million dollars to worthy organizations nations. So let's get the Terry Moran. He's at the White House tonight. Because Terry there's also news tonight in the impeachment showdown sources now telling ABC News. The president trump wanted his attorney. General William Bar to hold a press conference to say that there was nothing illegal in that phone call with the president of Ukraine and bar declined. That's right David. ABC News has confirmed that the president told eight to tell bar he needed to get in front of television cameras and declared that the president had broken no laws when he told the president of Ukraine to investigate his political rival bars. Or as you say wouldn't do it. He did put out a statement saying no campaign. Finance laws were broken. The president is infuriated by this whole story. He says it's pure fiction. David Terry Morente night. Thanks Terry next this evening. A possible break in the hunt for a missing Alabama college student. Anaya blanchard police have identified a suspect tonight. The student was last last seen a convenience store the night she vanished two weeks ago and police are now releasing these images tonight a man at that same store that same night and they warn tonight he is considered dangerous impossibly armed. Here's Davis an all out search tonight for this man. Ebrahim yezid the thirty year old named a suspect in the case of Anaya Blanchard the Nineteen Year Old Alabama college student missing now for more than two weeks. He should be considered dangerous. And we'll be potentially armed late today. Police announced an arrest warrant for House aide for First Degree Kidnapping Allburn. Police released these two surveillance photos earlier. They say he was at the same convenience store were blanchard was last seen alive two days after her disappearance her black SUV was discovered damaged and parked here apartment complex about fifty miles away. Police say they believe there were signs of foul play. What what they're telling us is that they? They know that she was harmed in the car. BLANCHARD's parents even meeting with the mother of Natalie Holloway vanished on high school graduation trip to Aruba in two thousand five and his never been found bureau. So I'm GONNA fight or by nature is not as proficient. I've been battling all my life and I'm not gonNA Scott Balan for her right now. Police say additional charges and arrests are anticipated. There's now one hundred five thousand dollar reward for any information leading to an arrest David et Lori. Lindsay Davis tonight. Lindsey thank you. We move on now into the heartbreaking images from Mexico tonight as the victims in that deadly ambush American families there are laid to rest three reema others and six of their children gunned down in outpouring of grief today for the fallen members of an extended Mormon family and we are also hearing for the first time tonight the messages they shared ear to let family members know what had just happened. Thomas from Mexico again tonight. They came by the hundreds to mourn than watched in silence. As the coffins came out forty-three-year-old Donna Rate Langford her eleven year old son Trevor. And two year old boy Rogan Barry. Every today victims in that ambush in Mexico one of the Pallbearers Donaldson Devon Langford in that Maroon shirt the hero boy who walked fourteen miles to get help help after their families. SUV came under attack. This is devastating tonight. An up. Close Look at that vehicle. Incredible anyone survived Lou. The the shot down on it from the top. We're also hearing the moments relatives. Were I informed what had happened. None of their loved ones killed in a brutal attack. There's five kids sitting on the side of the road. Got Shot in the mouth shot on the shot in the leg. We have the oldest. Boy Loyd Donnas with us right here and he's going to show us where they are. The family sharing the voice memos from a WHATSAPP text thread candy up and many of those family members driving to the funeral services in a massive convoy protected by police. No longer taking any chances. The family tells me they're not sure if anyone will ever pay for these crimes because the drug cartels run this area but at the funeral I spoke with the governor. Here she tells me there will be justice. David just an awful story but we appreciate your reporting all week long. Tom Thank you in next tonight to the US military and a major busted a technology company accused of selling surveillance insecurity equipment made in China to the US military but instead labeled it made in the USA. Here's ABC's chief. Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas Tonight Evan. Tura Technologies promoted itself as the all American security firm many of its products sold to the military labeled made in America. But tonight tonight the F. B. I. Rating its corporate headquarters amid allegations that the company put national security at risk and that his products were actually made in China. The owners there's an operations of insurer grew rich trading our national security for personal profit. Evan touro surveillance systems including cameras x ray scanners insecurity software to military installations even aircraft carriers but prosecutors say the products made the military vulnerable to Chinese hackers reckers foreign adversaries in other actors could potentially access some of our governments more sensitive facilities according to investigators scheme involved placing releasing false made in America labels on goods sometimes before shipping in China and sometimes after they arrived in reality. The only thing made the United Tate's victims. Let's get Pierre Thomas. He's live in Washington following this for us in peer. You've learned tonight that some of his surveillance equipment Made in China data still could be on some US military installations David. That's exactly right. Authorities said today. They're in the process of trying to find and remove all the surveillance equipment. That's vulnerable the hacking David Air. Thomas Tonight Pierre Thank you. We are also following an amber alert from Jacksonville Florida's tonight and late today authorities. They're reporting the mother of a missing five year. Old Girl is no longer cooperating with investigators Taylor Williams reported missing yesterday morning. Her mother said She found her bid empty. The back door unlocked. Police officers firefighters search dogs in dive teams looking to find her. The Sheriff says they do hope to find her alive. There is still much more ahead on world news tonight this Thursday at major recall tonight involving two million Liam pounds of chicken also tonight chilling testimony in the murder case making national headlines. The mother last seen on Thanksgiving with her child tonight her fiance charged and his secret girlfriend. Now a star witness for the prosecution and what she now says were the victims final words also tonight that video to scare the water to boats accepting and high speeds right next to each other. We do have news tonight on folks on board and then the man accused of faking a fall in the cafeteria where he worked. We reported on this video before he did it. Allegedly to collect insurance well we just learned the punishment tonight a lot. More news ahead. I'll be right back. You may have heard about a VPN that was recently breached. Hackers compromised the very thing that WIFI users relied on to help keep them private online. Thankfully there's a VPN you can choose that comes from the trusted leader and Consumer Cyber Abor Security Norton Secure VPN it uses bank grade. Encryption to help block hackers from stealing the Info you send and receive over Wifi. It's part of the all in one protection. You get with Norton three sixty with lifelock. It includes Norton secure. VPN device security identity theft protection and more. Don't risk compromising your online privacy with the wrong. VPN Get the VPN. That's part of the all in one protection you need for today's connected world. 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He's in cuffs phrases accused of murdering his fiancee. Kelsey Berith last seen shopping Thanksgiving Day with the couple's daughter Lee testifying. He wanted her not to be a problem anymore. Investigators allege he tricked. Barris Paris into wearing a blindfold to smell scented candles. Then beat her to death with a baseball bat. Lease says phrase. He told her barris. Last words were please Stop Liam admits she destroyed birth cell phone and cleaned up the grisly crime scene testifying. If she didn't help frizzy she feared she'd be next defense. Attorney Adam Steiger walled grilled Louis about the deal. Prosecutors gave her to testify against Tracy all these times in the last that year. Plus that you have not told the truth so everything in the last ten hours is the truth just happens to be what you need to say to keep you out of prison. Lee said it's the truth. frizzy has pleaded not guilty. Lee has pleaded guilty to destroying evidence and her deal with prosecutors. means she could be sentenced to anything from probation ovation to three years in prison. David Clayton Sandell. WHO's been covering this case from the start to the index of other news tonight? The scare on the water in key west to racing boats side-by-side flipping flipping simultaneously the landing upside down there to teammates on each boat. They were not seriously hurt. But there's no word tonight would cause them to flip it nearly the same time tonight. News on that employee sentenced for faking a fall on the job in Woodbridge Township New Jersey Alexander Golden Ski Receiving Two Years Probation and community service surveillance shows. Him throwing thing is on the floor lying down at authorities say pretending that he heard his head to collect insurance he also paid restitution of five hundred sixty three dollars amid growing concern over vaping in this country. A major decision tonight from jewel the company stopping sales of its popular mint flavoured pods in the US jewel CEO. Tonight saying the decision is in response to a report showing teens. He was meant more than any other flavor and news tonight on that a major chicken recall more than two million pounds of chicken possibly contaminated with pieces of Metal Simmons prepared foods recalling some ready to cook chicken products including chicken legs and wings. The recall involves eight states including California Georgia and Pennsylvania and yet many of the products are sold the restaurant schools and hospitals. And we do have more on our website for you tonight here. America strong high school cheerleader. and her very very very proud. Dad knew this dad warming up fourth quarter. Your versus wore. He'll high Yorktown Virginia. Jinya his favorite cheerleader is daughter. Taking the field and data's watched so many times he does your cheer that Dad Hickey Holland and his daughter Mackenzie. She's fifteen and when she looks up on the stand she sees him at his every move he knows when the pom-poms go up and you can kick and eastern mich ears leading the crowd to go felker's and it turns out daughter. Mackenzie taught him to routine. When the Falcons score touchdown keep practicing for weeks now tonight taking a break from that practice rush go foul as we couldn't help but notice? His sweatshirt says everything hurts those workouts. And what does Mackenzie makeup at. All she she says despite what you might think he's not embarrassing telling us his moves sometimes sharper than Peres by the way that night. In the stands the Falcons one. Certainly Dad go falcons. Thanks for watching your on Thursday. I'm David Muir. I hope to see right back here. 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Full Episode: Saturday, February 16, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Saturday, February 16, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash David m that's indeed dot com slash David m. Breaking news. The major twist into the alleged attack on actor Jesse small Ed police Nell sane they urgently want to speak to the actor. That new information has shifted the trajectory of their probe police leading to men go who were earlier called potential suspects. Also breaking tonight panic at the airport, the attempted breach at a security, checkpoint panic travelers and their children taking covering stairwells heading for exits fears. The suspect was armed what police are now saying factory massacre. The gunman about to be fired bringing his Smith and Wesson to a work meeting killing five colleagues the police chief now saying he should have never had that gun deadly winner Powell up car after car truck after truck plowing into each other on that slick highway in the heartland and the big new snow maker tonight. They're rolling from the midwest through New England motive for murder. The case of the missing Colorado mother, the fiance. Accused of killing her do court documents shed light on why he may have done it. Plus the fight for the last ISIS stronghold in Syria, the devastating human toll our team taking us through the scarred. Towns that make up this battlefield eating seen. This is ABC news tonight and good evening. Thanks for joining us on this Saturday. I'm Tom yomas. And we begin tonight with the breaking news as we come on the air the major developments in the alleged attack on actor Jesse small at police now saying they urgently want to speak to him. Investigators saying new information has quote shifted the trajectory of their probe officials today letting go of those two men I spy on surveillance images saying they are no longer potential suspects. Here's ABC's aerial Russia with a new details. Just coming in tonight. A major development in the investigation into the alleged attack on empire star jussie smollet police saying they want to speak with him urgently this after the two men in this Dr. Surveillance image were released from custody. Chicago police saying information obtained from these two brothers during their interrogation has shifted the trajectory of the investigation. Those men no longer considered suspects. Set this up in. There's there's still a lot of moving parts to this. So I'm here for my clients, and I had a job to do specifically for them. So I'm not part of jesse's defense high profile criminal defense attorney, Michael Monaco, saying he's been hired by Sma. Let Monaco has also represented Michael Cohen, President Trump's former fixer that with people need to hear. It's just the truth. Those brothers in the surveillance video arrested Wednesday upon landing at O'Hare airport from Nigeria questioned by detectives as their home was raided computers and cell phones seized authorities looking at their phone records to figure out if they spoke to or sauce bullet the night of the alleged incident. Police saying the men have a relationship with Millette one of them appearing as an extra on empire. Detectives telling ABC they have not found video evidence of anyone else at the scene. The latest twist in the case comes weeks after. Reported. He was a victim of a vicious homophobic, assault in an interview with our Robin Roberts this week smollet. Slamming those casting doubt on his story who make something like this up or add something to it. Or or whatever it may be. I can't I can't even I'm an advocate. All right, Ariel. Rush joins us now live on set. Now. Areo small had told her Robin Roberts that he believed that people know surveillance images were his attackers. Those two men have now been released. What are police saying about their attempt to talk to small it now? Well, Tom this information is just now coming in Chicago police say after the interrogation of those two men they contacted smell that's attorneys for a meeting. They tell us, quote, we made our intentions clear they say they're now waiting to hear back from smell. Let's attorneys or Russia with that new reporting tonight area. Thank you. We do turn out to the panic at Orlando airport the images just coming in as well. Police say the chaos rubbed rupture during an arrest at a security checkpoint fears that the suspect had a weapon travelers and their children look at this running for their lives racing for the exits. Here's ABC's Stephanie Ramos. Here refine moment at Campbell's international airport. When police say thirty two year old Brian mills tried to breach a security checkpoint. Passengers waiting to go through security instead taking off running the ring he has a gun. Carrots, grabbing their babies out of schoolers head knocking down barriers running and hiding their lives. There's a stampede of people running. Me and Andrea hop to counter. Sick fillet PSA officers ushering people to safety. So everyone just takes flight and everyone's jumping over each other on China like grandparents grab kids are telling people to just go go go they say when they detained the suspect. He reached into his pocket causing panic. Got a grenade or something. Got a grenade. The pair police say the suspect was unarmed but taken into custody chaotic times there at the airport. Stephanie Ramos joins us live now seventy this all unfolding during one of the busiest screening times of the day impacting operations at that airport. But police they still know why the suspect allegedly tried to breach security. That's exactly right, Tom. The suspect is being detained under Florida's Baker act. It allows emotionally disturbed people to be held under observation for three days at a mental health treatment facility, Tom. Stephanie Ramos us tonight. Stephanie thank you next to that massacre. In Illinois police releasing the image of an alleged gunman. Gary Martin they say he bought brought his weapon to the meeting that a rural warehouse likely knowing he was going to be let go opening fire at the meeting killing five co workers and injuring five others and police tonight saying he was not supposed to be in possession of a firearm that a background check failed. And what we're learning now about the victims tonight the intern on his first day at work at that plan ABC's Zachary quiche on the scene. In Illinois community is in anguish tonight. As we're learning new details about this senseless workplace shooting that left five dead. Plus the gunman police say it all began around one thirty Friday afternoon. Situation when officers reported down at this time exit shots being fired. Employee was called into a meeting to be fired by HR understanding from the witnesses as that he opened fire right at after the termination police say he likely knew he was losing his job pulling out a Smith and Wesson handgun outfitted with a laser and in five minutes. Terrorizing the factory as staple in this Chicago suburb for years police rushing to the factory taking on almost immediate gunfire. Five officers hit all of the injuries are considered non life-threatening authorities eventually pinning Martin found dead hours later, he was in a back machine. Shop at the very back corner of the building farthest from the area that we made entering the building. He's probably waiting for us to get to him there. Among the victims Trevor Wenham a college intern killed on his first day at the job. Authorities revealing the names of all those whose lives ended too soon. Clayton parks of Elgin, Illinois, Trevor Wehner of DeKalb, Illinois, Russell buyer of York. Ville Illinois Vincennes day warez of us. We go Illinois. Josh pinker of us. We go. Recused joins us. Now live and police now investigating how Martin who had six prior arrests was able to get a gun. Tom. He passed initial background check which allowed him to have that gun. But just days later he tied for a concealed weapon permit something that requires a fingerprint in that's what flagged his prior felony conviction, which no longer allowed him to own that gun. Tom still a lot of questions here tonight, Zachary cage. Fra sacree, thank you. We know sort of that massive pile up on Missouri highway first snowstorm, and then these incredible cell phone images coming in that deadly chain reaction crash just outside of Kansas City parts of the heartland hammered by snow and ice making travel as you can see very treacherous. And now a new blast of snow targeting millions from the midwest to New England, here's ABC's senior meteorologist, rob Marciano. Oh, my Lord. Isn't that we can do. A truck driver, capturing these terrifying moment, east of Kansas City. A chain reaction crash unfolding on interstate seventy Missouri. Amidst near whiteout conditions Friday or mass casualty. Big drivers. And passengers. Helpless, and there'd be a goal to stay in a Trump to Rica KENDALL caught in the middle as she headed home from work. Couldn't really say until you got up close up on everything. I don't even know how made it out of it shaken, but okay tonight. Art, explain. There's no words to what does happen in all forty seven vehicles involved multiple people injure and tragically one person did not survive troopers responding to more than seven hundred crashes across the state at the storm moved through rob Marciano joins us now live from New York central park with the forecast ahead. Hey, rob. I Thomas next time Comey's not going to bring us feet of snow, but he saw that video. It does not take much on the roads to cause some damage in Missouri. Once again, look at this under the gun as far as advisories go in NAT state Iowa's. Well, when you're storm warnings across parts of the Dakotas and here comes the snow developing south of Minneapolis by tomorrow morning, and through Madison, Wisconsin and west of Chicago going through to Choi during the day and a little wintry mix through Pittsburgh getting through Pennsylvania. Philadelphia New York City by tomorrow night Binghamton across parts of New England by Monday morning with some plow Ables. No, they're anywhere from two to four inches heftier amounts across the northern plains. And we do have a heftier storm. That's coming for the east with maybe some flooding for the southeast committed week, Tom. Okay. We'll stay tracking that storm through the weekend. Rob thank you. In this headline on the twenty twenty presidential race political reporting. Bernie Sanders Senator Bernie Sanders has recorded a campaign video announcing he's jumping into the growing democratic field. This would be Sanders. Second run no word yet on when or whether that video will be released next to the growing fallout over president. Trump's emergency declaration regarding the Mexican border the president heading to his Florida resort after making that announcement the move may allow them to access billions of dollars. Congress refused to give him for his wall. The action setting a wide reaching legal showdown in motion ABC's White House. Correspondent Terry Paul Mary with the latest from West Palm Beach tonight. President Trump facing growing backlash over its decision to declare a national emergency many lawmakers calling it a power grab. So I'm going to be signing a national emergency lawsuits piling up since the order was signed Friday ACLU Public Citizen and the state of California suing the administration for an overreach of executive power, California's prepared to call this what this is which is theater of the absurd. California's prepared to continue to remind the American people, this is a manufactured crisis. Something the presence own words, undermine his argument. I didn't need to do this. But I'd rather do it much faster after only getting a fraction of what he wanted. Trump. Rationalizing his decision to tap into nearly six billion dollars unappropriated funds from the defense and treasury departments to bypass congress and build the wall himself now claiming declaring a national emergency within authority gave the president's power. There's rarely been a problem they signed it. Nobody cares house. Democrats drumming up support for a resolution that terminates the action in the Senate ten Republicans already voiced their disapproval. Their judiciary committee is going to do an investigation the framers of the constitution or rolling the graves right now during the campaign, Trump, criticized Obama for using an executive order to give legal protection to those undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children there is no leadership at the top signing. Executive orders is not the way our country was supposed to be run. Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan just told reporters that he still hasn't decided if Bill building a border wall is a necessity. He also hasn't decided how much military funding. He's willing to give up to pay for the wall. Tom, terry. Thank you, and this programming note, the latest reaction to the president's emergency declaration tomorrow on this week with ABC's Martha Raddatz overseas next to the desperate fight for the latest. Isis stronghold in Syria, the human toll high and the images coming in foreign correspondent, James Longman, taking us through the scarred. Towns that make up this battlefield rubble and dust the ISIS legacy. It one spend two countries and attracted thousands of extremists from all corners of the globe. Tonight. The so-called caliphate is reduced to about seven thousand square feet of freezing mud in south and Syria where thousand also ISIS fighters are in a standoff with coalition forces today, we drove out to the towns nearest the front line. We saw a why victory Conti cold just yet you can hear her overhead now about is the sound of aircraft approaching because they think that ISIS bike. So now on the horizon when we did arrive, the coast was clear every building destroyed Musset craters from USS strikes every few hundred meters, there's no life here over fifteen thousand coalition bombs were dropped on Syria during this anti ISIS campaign, and you have to ask have these places been liberated or eliminate it in the next town. Life is creeping back families try to rebuild what they once had. But this will take years ISIS may be gone, but not much else is left either. When US troops do go home. As President Trump has promised, the so-called caliphate will have been defeated, but large parts of this country have been so badly destroyed that the roots of extremism may easily take hold once again, Tom James Longman reporting from eastern Syria tonight, James thank you now to the historic move by pope Francis. Defrocking former cardinal Theodore McCarrick. For sex crimes against minors and adults even soliciting sex during confessions McCarrick is the highest ranking church official to be stripped of the priesthood in that scandal. The announcement coming five days before the pope leads the global gathering at the Vatican to address the abuse crisis and systematic cover-ups by the hierarchy, and there is much more had a world news tonight this Saturday, the stoning car crash surveillance a driver speeding through the light his tesla slamming so hard it newly cuts a car in half the case of that. Michigan Colorado mother, her fiance accused of killing her and tonight new clues may point to a motive and an incredible rescue the moment of man collapses in the snow one woman running into help. And the one thing she remembered that saved his life. Stay with us. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Get started today at indeed dot com slash David m that's indeed dot com slash David m Bucknell with developments in the case of that missing mother from Colorado, her fiance already charged with murder, but tonight, we have new court filings that may point to a possible motive here's ABC's Morgan solace tonight, a possible motive revealed in the case of missing Colorado mother, Kelsey Berith births parents filing a wrongful death lawsuit against her fiance. Patrick phrase's alleging newly filed court documents. He murdered Gareth over custody of their one year old daughter the complaint claims Frasier told bear smother. They broke up on thanksgiving. The last day she was seen publicly shopping with her daughter Kayleigh at the supermarket. The civil suit alleges Frasier later killed the twenty nine year old because he wanted full custody. Cady of Keighley and or Kelsey to leave. Kaley with him and Kelsey would not agree phrase's friend crystalline Kenny admitting to disposing of Berith cell phone, which was found three days later, seven hundred miles away in Idaho. Investigators arresting Frasier December twenty first you see him. He's in cuffs charging him with first degree murder. Even though bear spotty hasn't been found. Phrasing has not yet entered a plea. He's expected in court this week. Tom Marsha Gonzalez first MARCY, thank you for index in the stoning crash in Miami Beach, Florida caught on surveillance the stop light turning red. And then a white tesla barreling right through their the driver slamming straight into a turning SUV police say just seconds before impact that driver was going more than one hundred twenty miles per hour. That impact nearly cutting the SUV and half seriously, injuring all three inside the driver has been charged with reckless endangerment. A scare in the sky for Jennifer Aniston and friends coast are Courtney Cox their private jet taking off Kabo San Lucas, twelve friends on board. When it loses a wheel the plane forced to circle and then make an emergency landing back in Los Angeles. That trip apparently a surprise for innocence fiftieth birthday. News from the PGA tour professional golfer, Matt Kuchar now apologizing to his caddy Kuchar facing major backlash for paying the local caddy David Ortiz just five thousand bucks for a tournament where he won more than one point two million dollars tonight Kuchar meeting he was wrong saying in a statement golf as a game where we call penalties on ourselves. I should have done that long ago. Kuchar now agreeing to pay Ortiz and additional forty five thousand back here at home to a saving moment in Candia New Hampshire all caught on camera here. It is a man collapsing in front of his truck having a heart attack at a Dunkin donuts rest. Stop witnesses calling nine one one one employee running out pulling in from the snow and onto a blanket starting CPR right there that man now recovering his rescuer says her college CPR class, luckily, kicked in Dr Saint her quick action. Save the day finally tonight America strong. We don't have to tell you about the importance of grandparents, but now something new schools. Making sure the young meet the wise, here's ABC's. Karen travers. I love low Taylor elementary school in Washington. DC clementine Bates is called grandma. You know, how much eighty five warm funny and incredibly energetic Bates's beloved by her four year old friends prominent moaning, I haven't had a hub all day and become run into me to the foster. Grandparent program is nationwide. People like clementine who has ninety five fifty nine going on either back. They bring a little something extra to the classroom. Something special. I think. Only one of the most important thing. I think she's spoiled from a little more than I do. I'm the tough one in the bud. But she against that, you know, that nurturing touch good time and coaster grandparents are placed in schools in their own neighborhood, often see students in labor ahead. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. And sometime basing their rebound this grandma, the more role models that are scenes have both in this building. And when they leave this building more competent, they are in moving forward, this seniors get a small stipend, but the connection they say they make with the students the energy they get. That's priceless. The five of them villainous. I will just be lost. And she says lonely without her preschool friends. Karen Travers, ABC news, Washington. So tonight, we salute those foster grandparents and all the grandparents out there. We think Karen for that story. We thank you for watching. I'm Tom yomas in New York GMA this week in the morning. I'll see you right back here. Tomorrow night. Have a great evening. 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Family Massacre Murder Trial-Part 2: FL v. Henry Segura

Court TV Podcast

43:37 min | 1 year ago

Family Massacre Murder Trial-Part 2: FL v. Henry Segura

"The views and opinions expressed in. This podcast are simply that opinions. All are presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law sensitive live topics are discussed. Discretion is advised On this week's court. TV podcast the family massacre. Murder Trial continues with Henry. SA- girl taking the stand in his own defense is the defense convincing the jury. It was actually a drug cartel that murdered Randy Randy. Peters and her three children will break it all down and give you an update on the Colorado murder trial of Patrick freezing this ask the court. TV podcast with vinny politics and Seema is you're welcome to the court TV podcast. I'm I'M CICI MY IRA here with the lead anchor of court. TV vinnie politician. Who My mother affectionately refers to as the Vince foster but say the way she says it? I love the Winstar. He's Judas Man on television. He really is so lucky to work with him. Every day I say and I say Yeah Ma. It's a gift. Listen listen to your mother do you like evinced or do we like that. No that's wrong venstre for years you have inman. Yeah all that. Love the Vince data advisory. We'll give my regards to your mother. Say Hi as you're going home for the holidays. You're going to be with her. I will. I will definitely be alright. That's good so let's talk about Henry Sequeira because he's on trial and takes the stand in his own defense. This is a man accused of murdering his girlfriend. His girlfriend's twin daughters his age six and a third child named Devante who was just three years old. Who the couple shared now? He was married to someone else but had a child with another one of his just girlfriends and was a total player. Total players player right and rate of women through the courtroom but now he's on trial for this murder which dates back to twenty ten. Then yes he's been in jail not prison but jail waiting for his day in court. He had one trial in two thousand seventeen eight to four for acquittal but the jury was wrong they could not come to unanimous verdict so it was a mistrial so this is the retrial of that case and Henry Sager and his defense team say not only are they not guilty. Yes right that the state can't prove it but he's factually innocent and they know who did it. It was the cartel led by James Carlo. Santos elway get into Santa's self-proclaimed drug kingpin who has spent many years behind bars but never for drugs. Ironically I'm glad you mentioned how long security's been in because right now. I think we are close to three thousand days. That's a long time. But there's many reasons for it and I don't WanNa get into that right now. What I I want to get into is Henry Segarra and his testimony and stories and he testified? I for the defense. What did you think of that choice to call him so early early in the defense case but I thought it was great because they kind of buried him in the middle so people forget about them? I think that's why they did it. That's a great point. We always used to say in the courthouse. When the defendant testifies the entire hire trial becomes about the defendant? It's like you have Amnesia about everything else. It's just the defense closes on the defendant. The prosecution close on the defendant and now now I completely forgot that. He's about so much more because the defense has said we know who did it. We know who committed this horrific horrific crime down in Tallahassee. And we're GONNA prove it to you and and they've put on testimony and evidence and they got this man who's admitting to it and they're bringing all these other pieces of evidence that they believe points in a completely different direction but Henry Cigarette testified and this is amazing because I the jury got to see and hear his interrogation video right where he's lying line through escape. Ed Wait about his second cell phone on lying about his so-called Alabama when you lie about one thing it doesn't mean you're lying through your teeth number one. It doesn't mean you throw on on video lied about one or maybe two and a half things he didn't lie is half way way. Can I make the argument for Ladies and gentlemen the the client merely lied about where he was at the time of the murder. One little lie lakes gentleman but you need to believe him because his he promised his wife he would stop shopping around and he was stopping so he had to lie about it and just to also just so everyone understands. There were two interviews by the police. One One was on November twentieth twenty ten which was the day after the crime I discovered child was dead. Okay allegedly okay. Okay and then. Ten days later November thirtieth that right when they confronted him about his second cell phone which he completely denied so now he the jury knows he's Aligarh. They saw him first hand on video lying through his teeth about the second cell phone that he denied having he told him that. Oh check my cellphone. Because I was home all day. They checked the cell phone and that cell phone was home but that cell phone was home alone okay so now cigarette testifies and the prosecutor gets to cross examine this liar. Let's listen you lied to your wife repeatedly you light your the rest of your family. You Lie to your girlfriends. You lied to the Police Multiple Times over the course of interviews and I mean you lied to God to right when you made all of your promises to him and yet you're asking this jury to believe everything you have to say. Yes because in in the process of me line always line. I had a whole lot of time to sit down and think about all the mistakes. I've made My wife and my girlfriend in other girlfriends competed on all the key is ahead outside of marriage and A. I've learned how to write maroons in your so. You're doing this completely to right wrongs not to take not to escape accountability for anything that you did. I don't feel like needs to escape accountability. If anything I think the evidence thanks to the evidence is is everything itself. Did you hear him go. Sh Sh the way down. The transcript of the trial helps come on and now the sudden he's had time to think about and he's a much better man today really a much better man who who almost picked a flight with the judge in the middle of all this injury. I didn't like that either. Okay I did not like that but you and I were essentially raised in courtroom so we treat judges judges a certain way but I asked people around the newsroom because a lot of people were on actually Henry severe aside saying that the judge should not have spoken to to him like that because not all of us feel that way about judges. I'm with you. I completely agree. Wait a minute wait a minute. You're accused of quadruple murder. You're in a courtroom and a death penalty case then the judge presiding over as you'd be quiet and you continue to talk Vinnie if he's being wrongfully prosecuted if he's innocent and he's been sitting in jail for about three thousand as in. This case is going on a decade. You'd be a little testy to my friend or did it reveal who who he really is that he has quite a temper which he admitted to understand that he had a temper nap randy well shy. Jr is equivalent. Oh End to this. Perhaps one of the most vicious crimes that we have ever reported on exactly if you cannot control yourself south in a courtroom. What is the man who's obviously in charge the judge and your own death penalty case? How do you think you're going to control yourself self with the woman who's threatened? Throw you in jail because you have your child support and it was busting your chops. He's just had sex with her. There is no impetus on that night. Says he had sex with her. Okay fine but still. There's nothing that the prosecution has put into. Evidence that shows an impetus for such rage. Nothing give me one reason why the jury should believe Henry Sager why anyone should believe Henry Cigar. I mean he just lies he casually lie no he. The house about some things only marriage doesn't lie about other stuff lies about where he is at the time of a brutal murder because of the sex happening in the house. That's why thinks series. Just look at the guys demeanor. There is nothing. There's nothing about him. He's full of himself itself. No he's he's he's into women he's listen. I absolutely hate vinny not calling people magazine to make him boyfriend or husband of the year. It's not about women was and to me that someone who's like I am not going to get pushed around by a woman. A woman is not going. Put me in jail. I absolutely I think that he is way too dumb. And I think he's almost. I don't WanNa say softspoken DOC. In but he was just too simple simple minded. There was no rage in him. He didn't have that vitriol to even think about doing something like this rage each came out in a split self. Why why because he was not in control of a situation okay? He didn't want to be controlled by the judge. Just like he didn't want to be controlled by Brandy Peters who had control of him because she had his child and she was busting his chops. Saying it's not your baby but you still gotta pay for this baby. That's what she was doing. Okay she absolutely was doing is clear. I understand that you are saying this but I don't think there was enough evidence to support support that she was busting his chops as she was writing. He not answer him to kill it would rage. He can't control it think about. He's so outraged at the system. That you're talking about here. Being falsely accused. He is now. This woman is making him pay tens tens of thousands of dollars preventing him from going overseas to make hundreds of thousands of dollars is a contract. Worker can't do anything because of her and she is saying he's not not even your baby you don't think it's going to cost some rage on a guy with this big of now. Now listen I think. Why did he park his car around the corner because he was worried maybe he was worried his wife was falling on or maybe he was worried? So one of those waivers car in the Vinnie. If you're GONNA kill someone someone take an uber. He wouldn't have parked anywhere around. Make any sense. I'm not sure if uber was around back. Then one I think just in San Francisco but number two on the uber issues. Two thousand ten on the issue that that would give you a digital footprint of where you work. He tried to erase the digital footprint by leaving his phone at home and telling police I was home. Check my phone. That's my alibi and they checked it. It was his alibi but he had a second phone that he would not admit to and that second phone put him at. The scene of the crime at the time of the crime autobody was waiting his car driveway because he parked around the corner around. The corner is still too close to commit a murder around. The corner makes sense. Because you're just sleeping around and Oh you know what listen. The bottom line is a lot more evidence. Points to the defense's theory of the case and that is we've heard it before in other cases and we heard it again in this case the cartel didn't we're GonNa talk about that next uh cross base is a true crime and mystery podcast hosted by the creators of missing more. Murray crawlspace runs the gamut of the crime. I'm John Rudd with hosts who apply their deep dive investigative technique into cold cases and missing person cases. Like Brianna Maitland and Brandon Lawson. They discussed the mysteries mysteries of suitcase. Jane doe the Colonial Parkway Murders and Daniel sleepers disappearance with people close to the cases Tim and Lance also converse with experts in the fields builds of criminal psychology law enforcement and crime media. Want to know how to catch a liar or what. It's like to wear a wire and get a confession from a juror in your son's wrongful awful murder conviction. Crawlspace has it checkout crawlspace on your favorite podcast. You're now Henry cigars defense in this case. Is that the drug cartel in fact killed Brandy Peters and her three kids now usually when I hear this Mexican cartel did it. I don't believe it but in this case I am buying into this theory. No see you have to Giggle at the end because your face. The absurdity of all of this bringing the Mexican cartel into this is based upon what the words of a man who calls himself a Carlos Santos Jane's Carlo Santos who doesn't speak a lick of Spanish but gives himself a Spanish surname to make himself look like the Guy No hold on. I had a lot of Spanish friends in New York. WHO had Spanish names? You don't speak Spanish rush. Third Fourth Generation. Okay that's why the hell was actually his name. He he's not saying he was part of the Loza. The defense theory is that James Carlo Santos worked for gang member of the Vice Lords Gang now the vice lords gang I I believe was buying drugs from the Mexican drug cartel lows Ato's according to them. According to the defense is not about Carlos Santos okay a lot of people. Think this. It's not just James Carlo. Santos wait hold on of Carlo. Santos not just him remember Washington. Okay so remember Washington this guy. Washington Gregory Washington. He was supposed to come and testify and he said in the prior trial that he signed up as a confidential informant for the Police Department apartment wore a wire spoke to some guy named power more power more was also part of this drug group team number drug. No no the team that killed brandy and the kids okay so there are other people that are pointing this out. It's not just James Carlo Santos however James Carlos Sentas Allegedly send a threatening letter to Brandy Peters the night or the day before the murder so about November eighteenth twenty ten and James Carlo Santos came to court and said that Brandy Peters worked for him as a drug mule drug runner and that the reason she was is killed was because she stole money approximately one hundred thousand dollars and drugs one hundred thousand dollars right. which which really isn't a lot of money for James Carlos Santos because he testified under oath that he can go to a strip club and drop ninety grand in a night and he talked about going to a strip club called follies on conferred Buford Highway area? I've spoken to people in the Atlanta area about this so-called follies they said for ninety thousand dollars you could buy the whole place okay redrawn nine folly and Atlanta and we take a pause who speak to are these like frenzies full people. That'd be sitting at this table but I'm not sure okay. Let's listen to. This is how convincing Santos was. Let's listen to a little bit of him on direct at some point. Did you end up. directing associates of yours to kill Brandy Peter's yes and why was that She has stolen stolen money and drugs. Okay without going into the nature of any communications how was it that you found that out. I was Kinda tight that we contacted the associate of mine informed so listen to him. He is concise. He answers the questions. He doesn't flinch. She's Com. He sounds like a board member of the Vice Lords. That's how board member in my mind would portray themselves right now if I was producing this podcast. When we played any soundbites from James Carlos Santos I would put the Benny Hill theme underneath it as the soundtrack? What is that sound? I think people at home. No no no no people people know what I'm talking about because this guy is ridiculous. His story is not credible. It is is absurd. He's making it up on the fly Ed's facts like any other delusional dater person or with delusions of I enjoy which is what he's diagnosed with for. Okay listen frigging track trapper John. MD calmed down trapper John Jd. That's what I should call you. Okay I just don't Z.. That he besides some medical record that he was questioned on. There is no other evidence that points to him having any mental instability reading his own words in the green letters in the letters he is able to talk about angel. Violette Kenya's whose DNA was found and in the bedroom. There's some argument about the from the experts whether the DNA was found but at the time of the first trial there was DNA found in the bedroom. Angel Kabila Kenyan as a Colombian national and a former member of the Los Altos. And he also points out to the Twenty Thousand Thousand Dollar Act child support motive regarding the killing of Brandy. Peters and he also mentioned Eliza so how does Carlos know all these things. Thank the Tallahassee Democrat which is a great publication with some good journalists who reported on everything that was happening here. Here's the thing you have not proved to me that Santa's Santa's some voracious reader okay. Well here's the thing and it's not like Santos suddenly appears in the defense finds them or he surrenders himself self before this first trial. Twenty seventy back in twenty ten twenty ten investigators talk to him okay. This was not a rush to judgment against Henry Segarra Boura. This was an investigation. They spoke to cigar. Who lied about his alibi? Okay and they track that doubt. They talked to Santos who they knew. Very quickly quickly was bonkers okay. This is a man who has confessed to killing two people who aren't dead as well as Atlanta police officer while he was on house arrest in Las Loss Vegas another case where he was not charged for the murder because he didn't commit because he's delusional with delusions of grandeur and injects himself. Into all these cases somehow elevate his status. It says a jury he just likes to exaggerate. I honestly I keep forgetting members. Killing people is like AAC for US trying cases we just like to say oh. I've tried so many cases on judge lawyer. It's the same thing but hold on what Santos had and what the defense had was the driest of all experts that I have ever seen Dr Delacruz that brings the defence case some credibility. Let's listen listen to the gang expert. Dr delacruz testified everything that every viewed points directly towards those at us and and the Spain the way it was placed against the wall It didn't have any blood it was used in the murder. It was a clear message. Pige right so it was all by itself. According to the pictures that I that I reviewed next tool the lady's body right on the wall then have no blood and so to me. It indicated that it was used in the murder itself the basis of the way children were killed And and the way the victims of the mother was killed. You know beaten shot stabs. I mean you know the visions of the crime itself so indicates to me and I've done a lot of cases and they're vicious as well but not like this and now we're they have children Wahdat. That was Dr Jesse Delacruz and from now on. I'd like to be referred to as Jesse's girl it's got a great stash. He's so he's like I love that type of guy who is like street and science mixed together and I thought he was very compelling. He said the data's did it. So I get it's over. You're you're wrong. I'm right. The Spectra wise rewind now rematch a little bit earlier in the podcast and ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Which is the folks listening out there? uh-huh seem ir earlier. In this podcast my recollection referred to Carlo Santos as a member of the device lords. Not the Zeta 's Carlos Santos ordered the hit. He is a Vice Lord. So what do the Zeta 's and and how they kill. Someone have to do with this murder because according to the defense and Seema this was vice. Lords hit not as Asia's hit so so as much as I love Dr Cruise. His testimony irrelevant. Okay but hold on a second first of all. We know it's relevant because he was proffered so the judge deemed deemed it appropriate testimony. Come into this case now. How it's connected is the vice lords worked under or in connection with our in tandem is is that right the lows Asia's because you have to buy drugs from somewhere you don't just go to? CVS and say. Hey I have four bricks of cocaine because the vice floors have to buy their drugs a from the lows as does and then when the vice lords are you falling asleep when Vice Lords can't pay back the Loza does because Brandy Peter's stealing money and stealing the drugs they have to account for it so Santo is probably secretary. Because you know he has. A secretary told US secretary. A Salina. Salina Hey can you get low. Saito's on the line. So maybe we do a conference call and they put it on their outlook calendar and they had a little call and they explained what happened with Brandy. Peters and then Lizzie to say okay. We're going to help you. We're going to get some of our team members and where to put a team together and Santa said it was seven people. Seven people had to put this team together together. And that's how it works. Are we done. We Convinced Ladies and gentlemen you understand why is ridiculous because Seema just proved our point point in this explanation like a huge problem. I think it's a real problem in this case because I'm concerned about one thing the truth what really happened here and and it was not Santos. This guy did not direct any hit of anyone. And that's what the defense is is is trying to sell the world that Carlos Santos is some sort of drug kingpin ordered this hit and it looks like a Zeta hit but he's vice lord but don't worry about it. This case went from the defense with a very specific theory eerie that they were going to prove right to classic defense attorney. Let's boil the Spaghetti ready and then report out throw throat up against the wall and whatever sticks. That's reasonable doubt. Lee absolutely use that. Okay all right well listen. There was one witness that came in that supports your your theory of the case and I know you loved him. I know how much you have switches. So we're GonNa talk about do you. SNITCH is get stitches or do they help help. That's next follow court. TV Live live over the air uninterrupted. If you're watching television with an antenna just scan your channels now to add court. TV and go to Kotei DOT COM to see the exact channel position Komo ways to watch court TV in your area. They say snitch is get stitches. How ever there have been a parade of SNITCH? Is that have come into the Subaru trial. Some decided not to testify. We had Mr Washington Shing Tin. He came in he got on the stand. Jury was in the room. He testified in the first trial back in two thousand seventeen and he just said. I'm not testify on testify. And he looks scared. Let's Scan Cernan. Something happened after he testified last time. Now I don't know I've never spent time in the joint so I don't know what happens if word gets out that you are someone who is testifying or agreeing to testify for the state. Just as a general rule of thumb. It may not make you a very popular opulent inmate. No I'm glad you're bringing this up because I think let's talk about the practicality of someone like Mr Washington coming to testify the logistics. Okay so you you could end up going from maybe whatever prisoner another jail you are. You're being transferred usually by bus so in that transfer you may be alone but but at some point you are in a jail and you could be housed with someone like James Carlo Santos or perhaps another witness because there were other jail. Witnesses is that we expected to testify. That haven't testified. And you're in this like big room in. The jail is like large type of cell where they can kind of run around and there's vending machine so that's one area. The other issue is that when you're transported to court so of James Carlo Los Santos in Washington could have been on the same bus from the jail where they're being held to testify to the courthouse then it gets worse if the courthouse the holding cells for people to testify. Our usual are usually much smaller. So these are all these opportunities where either Santos or or someone else could have gotten them maybe even sequeira or or perhaps what happened is that the word gets out that this is some guy who testifies on behalf of the state and then when he's an inmate he kind of has a reputation and people stay away from them because as you said off the top stitches get stitches so you know the reputation. Is that if you are one who cooperates and becomes a jailhouse informant. No one is going to trust you gonNa like you. Your life might be a little bit rough on the inside aside and depending upon who you're testifying against involved it could impact your family on the outside the especially if you're little you have said to me so so you you always dismiss niches. I yeah and you can call them snitch. Is You can calm informants whatever you are I take all their testimony with a huge grain of salt. I presume that what what they are saying is not true. I need independent corroboration of everything. They say which is why Santos is a problem in this case. Washington is a problem in this case as well as as there's one that was called by the prosecution Kelsey okay before it gets Kelsey can art. I'm GonNa tell you something this is. I was shocked. I had a few guests on yesterday court. TV I had a few guests both former prosecutors actually three former prosecutors three criminal defense attorneys they all said juries love snatches niches really surprised me and the funny thing is these these the gas on the set. They were saying in unison. They're like they'll all of the love. SNITCH is why do they live switching. I don't get it. Why every time they say something in some form of? It's going going to help them in some way. It's not just yourself their hearts I think. Maybe it's that jurors get fascinated with this idea of having someone who was in the cell with the defendant and and giving us this behind the conversation so we can talk about the the SNITCH snitched. Testified this was Kelsey Canard and Kelsey Canard Testified for the prosecution and his claim was he was incarcerated widsom Gora in Oklahoma or Oklahoma City or some something like that and they knew each other for a week for one week And after after one week after one week Sequeira says hey btw. I killed my ex girlfriend and three children it. It is what it is. I you know all this stuff is possible. Wait was anybody I please. Id Corroboration. Is anyone going to believe that in one week I I got so close to you that I said this well. I don't know how you argue it. Maybe he's such a vulnerable place being in in prison and he's reaching out out to a fellow criminal dude I. I have had friends for like three or four years. And they don't even know if I like girls or boys. Yeah I look privacy. People keep it to yourself. Okay if you're gonNA kill someone anyone who thinks I'm going to do a follow up question to that statement your wrong. I will not okay so moving on and the other the other I think and tell me what you think Kelsey Canard. His testimony came in his prior. Your testimony from the two thousand seventeen trial. Doesn't that leave jurors wondering hey where are you dude. Why aren't you here? Live in person. Yeah of course. They're all going to wonder it but again they're going to consider it and they'll listen to whatever. The judge instructs them what to think about it but at the end of the day I mean for me personally and for me as a prosecutor for me to go forward in a case. I'm not going to rely upon jailhouse informants slash snitch. SNITCH is unless something they give me can be independently corroborated. Okay so was it a bad idea for the prosecution to call Kelsey Canard Canard and call him through his prior testimony. Go I think what they're trying to do is neutralize the impact of the other informants. That are that are shown up in this courtroom including Santos who is an inmate. He's just another inmate. That's who this guy is. So I think it part of that is to neutralize all of that and if in fact this guy came forward and they believed him and they found him credible than they put him up there but at the end of day for me personally personally to believe these people criminals who are spending time Jalen perhaps looking for something on the back. They're always looking for something okay right. So that's my that's my final question to you is that if Kelsey Canard was getting nothing out of this no plea deal nothing. Because let's not forget James Santos get anything out of this. James Santos his delusional rancher. Got This out of your soul of his heart because he is a changed man on and you just don't want to recognize feeding just don't want to recognize that so bottom line Kelsey Canard that I mean that was like the real quintessential snitch of this trial. Would you have found him more credible. If he got no plea deal he just came in seventy said. This guy admitted to killing this family. I knew for a week on my grain of salt would have been a little bit smaller. Okay I still need it. And using the criminals. WHY DO I? Why would I believe criminals? I I think that's a horrible thing to say because my reporting don't follow the rule. Nine boyfriend jocks. Jello cruise was a criminal and now he's is a doctor and you're not a doctor. Well he didn't follow the rules in the beginning. Okay but now I love him and do you love him. Do you love to. You would believe him. I just love the mustache. I do love the mustache. Full Moustache all right folks coming up next another case that we have been following a big verdict in Colorado this also involving a cooperating witness. This is the missing mom murder trial. Patrick phrase convicted but to do so the prosecutor had to do something that it none of us like to do. We did a deal with the devil and I'm not proud of them for more court. TV Watch it on cable over the Air Roku or go to court TV dot com and stream live gavel to gavel coverage. Catch up on the big moments moments from our current cases and relive some of court. TV's most historic trials court. TV your front row seat to justice. ooh The missing mom murder trial in Colorado is over Kelsey Berith brutally brutally murdered but her body never recovered. She had a thirteen month old child Kaley. Ironically Little Kailua was thirteen months old when her mom went missing she's never been found her fiance. The father of that child. Patrick Fraser was the man charged and now convicted of this murder. And we've got a few things to unravel with this case I. You didn't see it on court. TV because cameras were prohibited from being inside the courtroom but obviously we followed every step of this trial all through the way. So Patrick Frady is a rancher out in Colorado has a relationship with Kelsey Barrett. They have this child and they live. Separately differed homes uh-huh but shared custody of this little angel. Radar Bomb Kelly. So it's around Thanksgiving twenty eighteen and we're almost at a year anniversary. Yeah and she is last seen on video with Little Kelly at the supermarket doing some shopping. And then there's an an apparent exchange where she brings the baby over to Patrick. Phrase's they still dating at the time. That's it's very confusing on many different levels. What the nature feature? The relationship was officially they were fiance and fiance right but there are living separately. She's giving the baby to take care of the baby and sharing custody. It is a little strange looking at what would be the motive here like you know. What is the motive? have anything to do with. He doesn't want to be with you. Just have to be with Kelsey birth. But they're sharing custody. So what exactly is going on fiance together. But apparently What happens is Kelsey birth? Goes missing her cell phone pinged in. I'd Aho right hundreds of miles away in Idaho and this leads to an investigation where they tracked down a woman. She's a nurse. Her name is Krystal Crystal. Lee Kenny okay. She subsequently I think. Drop the Kenny part of her name but she is. Someone who's had a long relationship with Patrick swayze knew him before she knew Kelsey Berith and they were together then they broke up. And it's complicated. Okay this is the best way to put it. It's overlapped crystalline. Kenny's relationship overlapped. Patrick phrase's with CALC- Barrett absolutely and at some point crystal Lee is pregnant signet with Patrick Child. But she testifies that he doesn't want to have a child out of wedlock which is strange. Because Little Kelly was born out of wedlock. It's it's bizarre bazaar. So but there's this triangle going on between Crystalline Kenny. The RODEO NURSE CY caller from Idaho Patrick swayze and Kelsey birth. Kelsey Beth goes missing investigators tracker phone and connect it to crystal Lee Kenny. She gets wrapped up in all of this. They charge her but she cuts a deal. Okay she cuts a deal. Saved your life by cutting deal to cooperate. Okay I want you to take take a listen because that's what we heard a little piece of before I want you to listen to the DA talking about the role of Crystal League Kenny. In all of this and how the relationship relationship and deal they cut with her relates to prosecuting. The man they believe murdered Kelsey Birth Patrick swayze none of us wanted to give a deal to crystal She deserves every day that the judge may or may not sentence. He'll decide that sentence but she deserves every single day that she gets the so part of our job. I don't like did like in this case. Ultimately it was my decision I can tell you. We spoke with miles young with the Woodland Park Police Department. We spoke to the agents who were involved in this case to get their opinions. I spoke with my team actually spoke with a number of other prosecutors We did a deal with the devil. There's no way fans or buts about that and I'm not proud of that but there's no question that Kelsey wouldn't have had the sure justice today without without making that deal with the devil so the calling her the devil and I agree. And here's the back story. This is the tragedy of all this. Her testimony is is that Patrick swayze solicited suited her to murder Kelsey birth on his behalf more than once and she did nothing to stop the murder of of this mall which is why she deserved to spend some serious time in prison. Listen cooperating is great you get you some time off. We've seen that in other cases and and there's surely should be some incentive for someone to cooperate but she could have saved a life yeah to me. That's the the the tragedy here and this little little Kaley who is now you know with twenty five months old she just. She's lost her mother. Her her father has been convicted. He's got life plus one hundred fifty six years. We're never going to hear from him again. Patrick swayze he's out of her life and now this little girl has to grow up and and the people who are raising our have to figure out what to tell her but the fact I don't know how can a human being not do something when you know. Oh someone wants someone else murdered is because she's scared she's GonNa be murdered. I don't understand how you can. Just sit there and do nothing thing and then what she did. She testified battle. This is she went and she was called after. The murder is what she says and goes in. Cleans everything up cleans up this scene. This horrific scene where woman was being to death with a baseball bat. Wasn't she isn't crystal Lee. Kenny a nurse. Yes can you believe this. I don't understand. She testified that phrase. He told her to give birth drugged coffee. So we can end this with those words so we can end this sh sh it just demonstrates that phrase easy is completely ruthless cold and days later. He gave her a pipe and told Chris Kelly Kenny to hit Berith on ahead and to make sure there wasn't a lot of blood which as a nurse you may able. You may be able to to do that right because a nurse you know. Basic things like anatomy. You know how to kill someone and then not produce a lot of blood hopefully as a nurse. You haven't thought about that a lot but yeah there's something you would know now. The the description of this murder is horrific. De What what a crystal. And here's the thing. They had to make this steal because she gave information to prosecutors that or else him. No body has been recovered to this day. And it may have been impossible to prosecute Hugh Patrick right here without her well and this is what you were saying you know. We were talking about different type of jailhouse niches right earlier in this podcast but this is a little bit of a different situation in more of a cooperator. It's not a snitch. But you do always at least the defense says for the jury. Hey you have to evaluate that this person is getting a deal and does she have incentive to lie and with Krista lead the added component. Is this woman scorned type of situation right but I think ultimately what this jury looked at was hey the fact that crystal Lee is a is a is not a great human being the fact. That Crystal Lee lied to investigators initially about all of this The only it doesn't make him not guilty. It just makes her well well absolutely and you know what I mean so I think in looking at her cooperation I hate the fact that they had to cut a deal because she could have prevented the murder of this woman. But at the end of the day you needed to convict Patrick swayze because this man is absolutely evil and I don't want him anywhere near that child. If he wasn't convicted right he may have raised. That is true. I mean listen. The evidence was overwhelming in the opening statements or at some point The prosecutor she said this is one of the most brutal murders that she had ever seen in eighteen years of practicing law. Eighteen years is a long time. Here's what she testified that he did he. He said he put a sweater. told her to put a sweater over her head and to smell some candles that he had had purchased to tell what. What what flavor? These kanter's handers candles were. What's the sweater overhead grabs a baseball bat horrific? But he's gone he's gone ever ever any Type of testimony or anything that came out that he was mentally ill in terms of being a sociopath but there was testimony that while he was locked up he was trying to get some other people to take out the prosecutor under the investigator and crucially. Maybe sociopath I think he's a sociopath he's gone gone okay so next week we we are going to be able to give you think. Oh he think really knows. We think we're going to give you a verdict update on Florida versus Agoura. Yeah Yeah Yeah because as as we are speaking we are in a verdict. Watch in the cigarette case so next week we'll be able to give you a complete analysis of what the jury it does in this case whether there's a verdict whether it's something else we will bring that to you also happening right now. A jury is being seated in the case against Mark Sievers. That is the husband accused of orchestrating the murder of his wife. Dr Theresa Cevers this. This is an incredible case. 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The house will come to order new clash of lawmakers taking their seats on Capitol Hill marking a major political shift as Democrats take control of the house and named Nancy Pelosi as their new speakers gather, let it be known that this house will truly be the people's house Pelosi picking up the gavel for the second time remaining the only woman to ever hold the position as a pink way. Wave comes to Capitol Hill. ABC's Terry Moran explains this freshman class in the one hundred sixteenth congress is the most diverse in US history. Among their ranks, the first Muslim and native American congresswoman, some of the thirty six freshman women elected bringing the total number of women in the house to a hundred to Oetzi Pelosi is the first person in nearly sixty years to reclaim the speaker's gavel. After becoming the first female speaker of the house in two thousand seven Representative Abigail span burger, the first woman to represent Virginia's mostly suburban and rural seventh district. It feels amazing to be of the main of so many incoming members particularly tremendous backgrounds. Tremendous perspective. So I'm excited to see what we can contribute and bring to the house. She's a former CIA agent and she flipped her historically Republican district by running as a moderate a tactic that appealed to many women voters in her district. Representative Mikey Cheryl from New Jersey also found support among women we first met Cheryl last year at the second women's March where she was campaigning with their daughter running as the antithesis to President Trump and his policies, we're taking on for the very soul in this country. She's got four kids, and she coaches, their soccer and lacrosse teams. She's also former navy pilot and federal prosecutor who decided to run she says after becoming disenchanted with her districts twenty two year, Republican incumbent serving my country for my entire adult life to to be here and have a congress person who wouldn't meet with his constituents that just offended my sense of democracy shirl officially requested. Her congressional pay be withheld until the government shutdown is over speaker Pelosi declared the shutdown the first order of business for House Democrats and within hours of replacement. They voted and passed bills that would end the two weeks stalemate. President Trump threatened veto the plan because it doesn't include money for his border wall and lawmakers once again met at the White House to try and strike a deal President Trump after the shutdown meeting. We're all on the same path in terms of wanting to get government open Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer said that. Not. So fact, he said he'd keep the government closed for a very long period of time months or even years resident Trump's saying they've agreed to keep talking over the weekend as the shutdown enters week three Andy Field ABC news, Washington. This is the first time in his presidency. Mr. Trump is dealing with the divided congress and Democrats are starting to either White House for twenty twenty Senator Elizabeth Warren announced cheese put together a presidential exploratory committee. You've got to build a grassroots campaign. ABC's deputy political director, maryalice parks has more on Warren's big Facebook announcements he doesn't talk much about being in the United States Senate perhaps because she's read that's not going to distinguish her from potentially six other democratic senators. There's going to be some people that go in and say, I don't want us Senator just out of the gate. I want a democratic governor or mayor someone with more executive experience. Instead, she's leading really into some of these big issues and big themes start of twenty nine teen marched to. Major departures from the Trump administration, including chief-of-staff John Kelly ABC's, Kenneth moten has more darn Kelly. Stunning. Parting words as chief of staff telling the LA times, the White House has given up on President Trump's signature campaign promise of a concrete barrier on the southern border saying to be honest is not a wall. The president still says wall oftentimes, frankly, he'll say barrier fencing now he's tended towards still slats going to have tremendous voter security that will include the wall Kelly did say the president was right to make border security at top priority. We do have an immigration problem if we don't fix the laws than they will keep coming. He said they have known, and they do know that if they can get here, they can generally speaking, stay general Kelly described his eighteen month tenure as a bone crushing hard job once saying this ingest, but I did something wrong and God punishment. I guess. Kelly sane his time at the White House is best measured by what the president did not do claiming last year. He talked the president out of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Check with of defense James Mattis, also leaving the administration over the president's decision to pull troops out of Syria. Defense Secretary James Mattis says in a farewell letter to defense department employees that the Pentagon's leadership civilian and military remains in the best hands Mattis who resigned in heart over the president's decision to withdraw US troops from Syria writes that he's confident DOD will remain quote undistracted from our sworn mission to support and defend the constitution while protecting our way of life. He urges the department to keep faith in the US into hold fast alongside allies against foes. Karen Travers ABC news, the White House rose another clash at the border this week border patrol agents say it was two o'clock in the morning when around one hundred fifty migrants in mass came at the trying to breach the border and on the Tijuana side began collecting rocks and throwing them at agents Chee. Patrol agent. Rodney Scott says gas and pepper spray. We're needing agents responded with the least amount of force possibly could protect themselves in the border and did actually secure the border in this area. Five of the migrants including two teenagers were arrested. Alex stone ABC news, Mexico is now demanding the US government investigate the incident. Meanwhile, new information came to light this week about an American being held in Russia on charges of spying reports. Russia officially bringing espionage charges against Paul Whalen, accusing the former marine of being an American spy. We now held in isolation in a notorious Moscow prison. His lawyer calling the charges baseless still he believes we will be convicted to facilitate a prisoner exchange Haas ably for Maria patina now lock in Virginia detention center after pleading guilty to being a Russian agent a Russian news site with ties to the. Purity services claims Wieland was caught with a classified list of Russian operatives saying that we had been spine for the US for ten years trying to recruit Russians through internet chat, rooms and social media. Whelan's warriors speculating that surveillance began long before Maria Bettina pleaded guilty. But it certainly seems more than a coincidence that they arrested we Lanao with some American officials believing this is strictly retaliation. And that we win with an easy target because of his travels to Russia. Meanwhile, in Italy, it looks like a top North Korean diplomat may have defected South Korea's main daily newspaper has reported that acting North Korean ambassador to Rome Joe song and his family have applied to an unnamed western country for asylum. The June on paper quoted one source of saying the application was made late last year and not Italian authorities have placed the diplomat and his family in a safe place while the decided next steps, but here in Rome sources at the foreign ministry. Say Italy knows nothing about the reports and has no record of Joe seeking asylum. Joe stepped into role of acting embassador in Rome in October two thousand seventeen that was after Italy expelled, then embassador moon Jong-Nam to protest North Korea's nuclear testing a month earlier that had violated u n resolutions the paper reported that Joe is renowned as a high ranking official in the North Korean regime, and unlike most diplomats from the country was allowed to bring his family with him to Rome. Most other diplomats are obliged to leave family members at home to reduce risk of defection, Meghan Williams. ABC news Rome back at home. The search continues for a killer after a seven year old Texas girl was shot and killed as she wrote in the car with her family ABC's will car reports from Houston. Jasmine Barnes a life ripped from her family far too soon. The search for killer. Now intensify that we're not ruling anything out. We take very serious car. We we're not tone deaf to some of the concerns in our community where they could be potentially race related. Authorities say Jasmine's mother was driving in west Houston to get coffee with her four daughters in their car Sunday morning when unprovoked a man in a red pickup truck pulled up and started shooting into their car. Tinsley cuma tau for no reason the suspect described as a white male in his forties with a beard last seen wearing a red hoodie. Tips. Pouring in police say they're wrapping up patrols in the area, the devastation affecting more than just the local community celebrities now pleading for help actress Gabrielle union tweeting find him this evil monster must be stopped now Livia wild, please help find his murderer. If you can there's a new development in the case of the missing, Colorado mom last seen on thanksgiving. Police arrested Kelsey Berith fiance. And now they're investigating a woman now, multiple sources, tell ABC news thirties are looking at a thirty two year old nurse from twin falls, Idaho. Who police believe may have tried to dispose? Barris phone sources say the woman has known barris fiance. Patrick Swayze for years. They once worked together in Colorado. We are not using her name because she has not been charged with a crime phrasing now charged with first degree murder anything to say. Berith was last seen Thanksgiving Day shopping with the couple's fourteen month old daughter, prosecutors will not say if they believe Frazee had any accomplices, but court documents reveal in the three months before his fiancee vanished. He allegedly tried to find someone to kill her three separate times. Barris body has not been found phrase has not entered a plea and his public defender is not commenting ABC's Clayton Sandell where now getting a look at the chaotic scene in North Carolina wildlife center after a lion tech twenty two year old intern ABC's Stephanie Ramos has the story. A newly released sheriff's report details chaotic moments at the conservator center in Burlington North Carolina impacts the general manager making that nine one one call from the centers property on her way to the deadly seen the person that was a tag how bad are they hurt? They can have stayed. Investigators say this line named MCI broke through a locked enclosure during a routine cleaning. Killing twenty two year old Alex block. So I can tell you. You. Lon is contained. Okay, good police report obtained by ABC news describes workers at the center as unprepared for the sudden and violent attack. Despite being told the nine one one call that the lion had been contained in the report. Michael griggs? The first sheriff's deputy on the scene says Huron to find staffers chasing, the lion Rowley and running free near the enclosure with blocks still laying on the ground unclear if she was still alive firefighters using water hoses to contain the animal while staffers waited for tranquilizers to be delivered from a home on the property on the first attempt Griggs writes, the dart appeared to break he then says a staffer grabbed a blow gun shooting, multiple darts. But the lion showed no signs of going to sleep deputies ultimately firing eight shotgun blasts, killing the lion just days after the attack moments of panic at zoo in Florida, a terrifying scene when a two year old girl slipped into this rhino exhibit at a Florida's zoo and the snow of at least one of the rhinocerous is made contact with the child. Father can. Over what he is. Says the little girl stumbled and fell through steel poles during the popular rhino experience build by the zoo as educational where guests young and old are able to interact with the white rhinos and even touch them the toddler airlifted as a trauma alert her mother taken to a hospital as well. With an injury arm a million what you met with is is is frantic parents severely. Enter child wouldn't say chaos, but can control chaos. The girl's father saying his statement. Our daughter is in good care and is doing well. My wife was also treated for her injury and has been released from the hospital. White rhinos are massive weighing between two and four tons and capable of charging at speeds of thirty miles per hour, Florida fish and wildlife officials quickly onsite beginning their investigation. It was another turbulent week. On Wall Street, the Dow swinging between negative and positive territory one of the biggest drops happening Thursday after apple CEO, Tim cook announced iphone sales were down in China. Because of the country's slowing economy. ABC's with Johnson has more from Wall Street a grim outlook for tech giant apple their stock. Plummeting ten percent a racing more than seventy four billion dollars in value. The drop roiling markets helping drag down the Dow by six hundred sixty points. It all started. When CEO Tim cook announced apple expects to miss its first quarter revenue projections by five billion dollars. The first time in sixteen years, blaming poor iphone sales in China. What I believed to be the case is the trade tensions between the United States and China. Put additional pressure on their Konami, President Trump not acknowledging tensions with China. Instead projecting confidence a little glitch in. The stock market last month, but it's still up. I guess around thirty percent from the time I got elected, and it's going to go up once we settled trade issues a rebound on Friday. Erased thursdays. Heavy losses following a strong jobs report showing three hundred twelve thousand positions were added last month and word interest rate hikes may be on hold bed term into Rome. Paolo promise to watch how the US Connie evolves before setting policy, we will be prepared to adjust policy quickly and flexibly and to use all of our tools to support the economy should that be appropriate Powell told the American economic association, he is mindful of how turbulent financial markets have been over concerned, the fed is on course to aggressively raise interest rates. We're listening with sensitively to the message that that markets are sending Pablo also said he would not resign. If asked to do so by President Trump was blamed the fed for weighing on the economy. Aaron Katersky, ABC news, New York. There's a new warning about computer generated videos known as deep fakes that are targeting women ABC's, Amy, ROY. Bog explains our enemies can make it look like anyone is saying anything at any point in time. Comedian Jordan Peele masquerading as President Obama in this PSA, see I would never say these things at least not in the public address. But someone else would someone like Jordan Peele actor Nicolas Cage singing in the sound of music. News. Videos, like fees called deep fakes made with artificial intelligence, tools that are easily found online and enable users who can find enough images of someone to take that person's face and put it on someone else's body. Now that digital magic is being used to prey on some women. Media critic Anita Sarkisian was shocked when her face was inserted into a pornographic video viewed more than thirty thousand times the way to attack women is to humiliate us and porn is one of the best ways to do it. It can be so degrading the Washington Post reporting that these types of videos are popping up on pornographic websites. More and more frequently actress, Scarlett Johansson has been targeted Johannesen telling the post nothing can stop someone from cutting and pasting my image or anyone else's onto a different body and making it look as early realistic as desired she goes on to warn that this can happen to anybody. It just depends on whether or not someone has the desire to target you while many of the videos are clearly. Fake. The technology used to make them is always improving and a laws about making and sharing. These videos is unclear so for victims like Sarkisian options are limited when these videos surface, something comedian Louis CK said about survivors of a school shooting have landed him in hot water interesting. Does he went to high school work kids? Got shots listening to you. 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Stolen Lives: The Skelton Brothers

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Stolen Lives: The Skelton Brothers

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime fine and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised We'll come to true crime brewery. I'm Jill on Dick on the day after Thanksgiving in two thousand ten ten years. Zuber's reported her Three young sons missing from her home in Miranshah Michigan. Her husband was supposed to bring the boys back to her on Friday morning but he never did. The couple had been living apart in plan to divorce Andrew. Nine Alexander. Seven and tanner just five years. Old had spent thanksgiving Thanksgiving Day with their father. John Skelton Win Tan. You tried to get them back the next morning. John told her that they were with a friend of his. John then turned up at a hospital. Following an apparent suicide attempt in the years since family and authorities have searched for the skeleton. Boys is without success. John Skeleton has refused to disclose their whereabouts. As time passes the chances that the boys will be found alive continued. Can you to dwindle today. The quiet end. We're discussing the details of the Skelton case and the possibilities of what happened to these three young boys in stolen lives. The skeleton brothers will go over family history and the timeline of events in an effort to better understand what happened and if anything can be done to bring these boys home. So we've got a Nice Michigan Beer for you today. From one of my favorite breweries. This is is K B S Espresso. KCBS stands for Kentucky Breakfast Stout and it's got coffee in it hence the Espresso. This beer is is an American imperial stout clocks in at twelve percent alcohol by volume. So you and I will be splitting our twelve ounce serving the beer is from founders. Brewers I said located in grand rapids. It's a black coloured beer little tiny tan head but did leave a little bit of lace on the side it is a glass and when you get the aroma. It's boom coffee just smacks you in the face. Ladda coffee little bit of chocolate taste. I follows the nose big hits of Espresso followed by some chocolate and the end of the SIP. You can get a little bit of Vanilla. This is a big bodied beer. Little bit on the dry side which is fine with me very nice beer. Let's open it up. Then you got it and off. We go to the quiet end where it's pretty quiet all right. That's descriptive descriptive. Well why don't you go ahead and start the story. I mean it's it's a difficult one it is and you would like to think that the kids are you're still around somehow and all their father has to do is tell us where they are exactly. That's the frustrating part. But I don't think they're around anymore. The skeleton family lived in Marinsky Michigan in two thousand ten and Miranshah small town populations about three thousand as located near. You're the Ohio border. The father John Skelton was raised in Jacksonville and he is thirty nine years old when his three sons went missing when he finished high school John joined the army a move several times he lived in Washington. DC worked at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda Maryland it also spent some time in Alaska and California and eventually he became a truck driver. He and Tania Nia married in two thousand and two actually Tan Ya. I know that doesn't seem right. But that's how she is said that she wants pronounced. Excuse me we'll start over John. Tanya married in two two thousand and two now they had both been married and divorced was previously tenuous first husband filed for divorce from her after she is charged with criminal the Middle Sexual conduct more on that later. According to many people including Tanya John knew about this conviction now John worked for several years and Tanya stayed home with the three kids according to tenure the problems in their marriage began after John Lewis is job job following a Dui yes so Tanya filed for divorce from John Skeleton Back in September of twenty ten before that attenuates say that their relationship was pretty good but Tang you did have history. Tanya had two older daughters from her previous marriage and and she did have a large support system of friends and family nearby but she was far from perfect years before her sons went missing before she even knew John Skeleton. TANU had sex with a fourteen year old boy and she was convicted of fourth degree. Criminal misconduct for this in the late. Nineteen he nineties. But it's believed they. John knew all about her past before he became involved with her but still he would end up using this as ammunition against Hanya claiming naming that she had been sexually abusing his sons when he abducted them. And that's where he took them. He wanted him out of the house right. That was his claim. It's very difficult to believe John. Skelton will find out because he has an ever changing narrative. Yes he does so in September of two thousand ten and John Thiel Tanya that he wanted to move the family to Florida. His parents still lived in Jacksonville where he had been born and had recently gone to his high school reunion there so he had as we said lost his job in Michigan after his Dui conviction and in Florida he told Tanya he could get a job. Bob and the boys could get to know his family now. Tanny didn't WanNa live in Florida and she also had that felony conviction on her record. which meant that? You'd have to fulfil oh specific requirements with the state of Michigan before she would be allowed to move. It was Monday September thirteenth. Twenty ten when John said that he he was leaving for work but that afternoon he signed the three boys out of school. The school called and left a message on Tanis home phone and the school schools secretary had called because she was confused. Tenure had brought the voice to school that morning and dropped off their medicines and lunches and everything but John came in that afternoon said that the family was going on a vacation to Florida and sign them all out of school early. So tenuous confused. She called John After after speaking with the school secretary but he was very vague claiming that he discussed with her taking a family trip to Florida and she had said she didn't want to go with them but Tanja said wait a minute. We talked about maybe moving to Florida and I was looking into it. There was no talk of a family vacation. So it's not really making sense. Let's not sure doesn't bear we've got two divergent reports here. So a friend of ten is called the Miranshah police and spoke with chief Larry weeks weeks offered to mediate between Tan. Yan John so he contacted John and he learned to John and the boys were still in Morandi. John had also set up a meeting with an attorney. This didn't make any sense at all right. And if you supposedly going on vacation in Florida why is he doing all this stuff. Exactly exactly. He's up to something joined told chief weeks at. He is taking the boys with him to see the beach and they were being Florida for three to four weeks so this just this wasn't right. Tanya s John he was taking the boys out of school when the school year had just begun then. He said that he would enroll them in school down there which was even even more confusing. I mean the entire situation was raising some red flags. If this was a vacation why would the boys be getting enrolled in the Florida schools. Also she knew. He couldn't enroll them without their birth certificates and she had those so she tried stalling him for time as her adult daughter's met with an attorney on her behalf and the attorney told her daughters that the only way for tenure to stop John from taking the boys to Florida would be for her to file for divorce divorce from him and ask for emergency custody of the children so things escalated quickly. Where the sure did could it would sound to me? Like he was planning Dan taken into Florida and staying Florida absolutely now. He's going to enroll in school and stuff so share. That's the worry very much so so at this point. John's been driving around town with the three boys. Tenuous stalling him and she said I'm going to look for the boys birth certificates so Johndroe back to the house. Once he's at the House tanny pretended to be looking for the birth certificates. You know she knew where they were and she was stalling until daughters could return with the legal paperwork and then an officer was prepared to serve John with the papers which would make it illegal for him to leave the stay with the kids. Yeah but coincidentally it ended up that both Tan Yan John had met with the same attorney. But because Tanya's daughters had met personally finally with the attorney and paid him before John did Tanisha was the one who retained his services so unfortunately the attorney's office called John and told told them that they couldn't keep their appointment with him because Tanya had hired him and this set John Off. I mean he was furious now he felt like she was trying to trick cam so John left the house angry of course but he did leave without tanner the youngest boy because tanner had come into the house and was kind of hiding behind behind Tania's legs so John Yelled at him to get in the car because his mother was lying to him but he just cried and didn't go to his father Tian her friend protected checked tanner from being taken by John but the two older boys Alexander and Andrew were outside playing and John was able to order the older two boys into his van Tangy told him he couldn't take the boys but he ignored her. The papers for custody were prepared. But you know John hadn't been served with them yet so. John sped out of the driveway in his van. With Alexander and Andrew tenuous sister happened to be walking up the street toward the House and John Nearly hitter hitter with van but fortunately she was able to jump out of his way but John Actually left just minutes before Tana's daughters arrived with the divorce papers in hand the end so John was able to escape Michigan with his two oldest boys and he drove all the way to Florida. The next day he allowed the boys to call their mother. It was her birthday. They actually and they told her that they were swimming. And staying at their daddies friend's House Hillary but ten. You didn't know who Hillary was. She was actually one one of John's friends from his class reunion which he had recently attended down in Florida and he talked to Tanya About Hillary after he'd returned from that trip so Tanya was able to find Hillary's address and contacted her attorney and he gave her papers which gave her exclusive. Custody of the voice Tania Tania's mother intangible. Two daughters drove to Jacksonville to pick up Alexander Andrew and to bring them back home so by that Friday they met with a sheriff's deputy to accompany them to Hillary's apartment complex and the deputy was able to serve papers to John and take custody the two boys the local district court and the sheriff's office were involved so they had to meet with the judge before they could return to Michigan with the boys. What a mess? Yes so they actually had to hang out in Florida for a bit. She's so the following Monday tanny and her mother hired an attorney in Florida and John also also hired an attorney so in front of the judge at the hearing. John immediately brought up tenuous previous conviction for having sex with a fourteen year old now. This was quite a shock for Tanya because John had never indicated any problem with her past admitted that he had known about tennis history since before they were married he had married her and had a family with her and had never before raised any issues about it. So the judge called the court back in Michigan and this is a court familiar with the scouting's uh-huh case and it was determined. The TANNIN would return to Michigan with her sons. Then was the crossed. The line in Michigan tanny would have full custody rights so finally things seemed to work out correctly and after returning to Michigan the boys were back with their mother. John asked Hanyu if there was any chance that they could could work things out and stay together now. Tanja would later say she felt she was really done with the marriage but she agreed to counseling in order to help with co-parenting the boys and keep John Happy so to keep John from becoming angry. She did pretend that she was still interested. In repairing the marriage to John they were working on the marriage when he was anxious for things to get back to the way they were but Tanja felt she'd never be able to trust John Again. She and her attorney made the decision that that it would appear more favourable though to judge if she allowed John to have some time with his kids so instead of maintaining the exclusive custody that she did have a right to you and keeping the boys away from their Father Kanye decided the best thing to do would be to allow him some time with them and she said at this point she really really didn't fear that John would take off with them again because when he'd done it before she'd followed him to Florida and brought them home so he should have known that she wasn't GonNa to let them get away with it again. I guess she also kind of rationalized that he wouldn't leave with them because she had kept him under the impression that they were going to get back together as a couple but she was wrong. You're really concede that line of thinking. Oh sure and I think you know she did give it a lot of the thought and consideration discussed it with her attorney. She wasn't making rash decisions now. Sutan John at this point are living separately but mostly mostly getting along. John was living in the family home. Ten in the boys were living in her daughter's unoccupied house. Just down the street. He I guess it turned out that her daughter was trying to sell a house that she wasn't living in anymore and it was very close by so it ended up being a convenient place for Tonya and the boys so even though they are living apart in separate homes the houses were just a couple of blocks apart so that is a lot of proximity there. Yes they they can really see each other from just out on the sidewalk. Yeah but his tenure of kind of rationalize this part of it was the kids. Were still doing your old neighborhood and they could play with different right so it was kind of a good thing for them in that way even though John could see when they were coming and going. You know it's winter so the leaves are off the trees and he had a pretty good view to what was going on at the house but they're getting along in. The kids are in in the familiar neighborhood. So Yeah I could see why she'd be okay with that at least as a temporary situation. Yeah and this worked well for a while. We've through October and into November November. Things seem to be working pretty well. Tanny and John had worked out a schedule for the boys over the Thanksgiving holidays it. It was determined that the boys would spend time at Tanis Parents House on Wednesday Jon would take them from their keep him until Friday. Three o'clock John wanted to keep. The boys is longer but upset Tanny of the weekend before and at this time he told the boys that D'Amato have been in prison and he told him all about conviction so then they came home from their father's house they're asking are always questions and seemed to be understandably upset and confused used he hasn't seen. This wasn't a cool thing to do. You don't tell your little kids these things especially not in a vengeful way like that here. And here's where we start to see. The John did have a very vengeful narcissistic side to US personality. I mean Tania said he was very selfish but I think it ran deeper than that I think so so Tanya had to explain to her sons. You know that what had happened. It happened a long time before they were born and they didn't have to worry about Her going to prison again like they didn't already have enough to worry about your nest. The main thing that she was going to be with them right and we're going to take her away but she's still allowed John to have his Thanksgiving visit even though he done that. Yeah well she. She told him I'm GonNa Curtail visit. You can't have them for the whole weekend. weekender anything right but yeah he was still going to have them yet. So that Wednesday Tanya left the three boys with their parents and at that time she had no idea that she's never we're gonna see them again then on Wednesday November twenty fourth. Two thousand ten John picked up the boys from Tana's Parents House and then on either Wednesday tonight or Thanksgiving Day. Tenny couldn't remember for certain John Colton and was very persistent about wanted to know if they would ever be back together again. Tanya said she didn't know because at this point she's still pissed off at him for betraying her and broke her. Trust the you know. She's she's a little gun shy right now pushes not really ready to get back with him. Anyway oh I think she'd pretty much made up her mind. That wasn't going to happen. She's just trying to keep the peace for the kids sake and work work things out as best she could. And that's the way I see it. You're so he picked them up from the parents house Wednesday night and he had them for Thanksgiving Day Eh and they were supposed to go back on Friday so on Friday. Tanya sent Jonah text message in the morning because they'd agreed on a three p. m. pickup time but Tanya wondered if she could pick them up a bit earlier if they were just hanging around the house like maybe around noon John said he would love to but then he said that the boys weren't home home but Tanya had looked out and she could see the van down in the driveway but John said that a friend had picked him in the boys up and taken them to her house. He said that they were visiting this friend. Joanne Taylor and her husband and children but then John said that he wasn't with the boys. He said that. The Boise voiced state at the Taylor House but he had returned back home then he changed the story again and said that Joanne had picked up the boys and he had stayed home the whole time so there are a lot of discrepancies here. Antennas beginning to see some real red flags in John's behaviour. Yemenis changed the story three times in two minutes. Yeah and he said that the boys were spending time with Joanna and her family and Joanne would bring them back to Morenz. See that afternoon at three pm but but Tanya's not really happy about this. She's worried she'd never met. Anyone named Joann Taylor but John had mentioned the name before. And they're also so had been a Joann Taylor who had friend Tanya on cafe mom which is a social media site for mothers but this would turn out to be John John Skelton had created that account and was using this false identity. I don't know if it was a way to communicate with Tanya or try and get secret information. He was kind of losing his grip on reality so neighbors said that. They saw the kids playing in skeletons. Front Yard at about two thirty PM on Thanksgiving Giving Day Tanner. The five year old was wearing Cammo. Pajama Pants and a scooby. Doo t-shirt Alex. The seven year old were or a gray t shirt and dark Pajama Pants and Andrew. The oldest at nine was wearing brown pajamas with orange trim he has so entailing ACOG. John John Back. He said that he was on his way to the hospital in Toledo Ohio. He told her he'd injured his foot and she would find out later that he told the hospital hospital staff that he had tried to hang himself so Tanya tried to find out from John where the boys were but he was continuing to be very vague and he was saying saying that they were with Joann Taylor. Family Tanja finally contacted her attorney because she was getting really worried and her attorney advised her to wait until after after three P. M. to call the police. You know maybe wait till three thirty four o'clock but according to Tanya as soon as it hit three o'clock at three o one she she was talking to the police and of course you know looking back she would regret even waiting that long. So chief weeks of the Miranda Police Talk Tanna who was understandably getting pretty frantic and he drove to Toledo to the hospital to talk with John Skelton. Skelton told weeks there are that Joann Taylor and her husband were these very nice people. He had met them on the road. A couple of years earlier when he had stopped his truck to help them out and according to John they'd been friends ever since mostly on the Internet. facebook friends and they exchanged occasional emails. Skeleton told chief weeks that things weren't going length well for him on Thanksgiving night and he decided to kill himself that evening and that's when he had called Joann Taylor to take his boys away from the House. Joann Joann was going to pick up his sons and take them back down to Florida. He said so. Joanne didn't know the kids or the grandparents but according to John She'd readily agreed to drive this fifteen hour trip with three children to a stranger's house on Thanksgiving evening. It's really a very very very long bridge to cross. Its chooser yes so. She apparently made no effort to talk him out of hurting himself and she didn't call all any relatives or nine. One one this Joanne Person. She just took the kids and said okay. You know go ahead and kill yourself. I'm leaving with the kids. Just picking picking up the boys and leaving his request it so chief. Weeks didn't believe Skeleton Story of course and he issued an amber alert immediately Now the day after Thanksgiving good old black Friday in the early morning John Cellphone registered on a tower close to his house Marinsky. It was four twenty nine in the morning that his phone was registering as moving in Ohio. And at that time is about three miles from his home and around five. The phone went salad either because it went dead always turned off and the last Hour Ping before that was near holiday city. Ohio and at six forty six his back at his house so if we assume that John had the phone with him he drove down now Ohio and then returned home and this would be an important window of time for investigators because this would be the time period when he probably. We did something with his three sons because it was black Friday and we know how crowded things get to be that day. Police are hopeful that witnesses would have been out early to shop and they would remember seeing skeletons blue van so this two hour seventeen minute period of time was critical but no witnesses came forward. Nobody reported seeing this van now. Not really they were planning if people who called in but nothing really panned out and you could tell his blue van pretty easily because it was missing a gas cap and that was pretty notable. He saw that side of the van so after John Returned home from holiday city city that would have been around six forty five. Am You have to wonder what he was doing. Then so he did taxed an email some family members another frightening thing he did. Is he packed up some of his clothing and belongings and drove them to a family member's house and he was vague but he said he wouldn't be around any wanted. This certain relative to get his belongings so it really seems like there was a plan for a suicide and I think it's pretty. I think a murder suicide was the plan here. Don't you think yeah. Although I'm not sure. He was really contemplating suicide. Well it sounds good. I mean I guess he's planning on disappearing right. If we wanted to think that everything was okay yeah or maybe he was planning it but but he just couldn't go through with it as a possibility. Sure maybe it was an attention getting thing because he was very narcissistic at that point in his life at least although people polite that usually don't change unfortunately no they don't so Morandi fire chief quickly brought together about twenty five volunteers and they began searching shing parks empty plots of land and wooded areas. County sheriff's deputies searched North and south of the Ohio state line. Chief weeks got a warrant to search John Skeletons House and he seized his computer and cell phone so they got right on this didn't he. Well they did yeah. They definitely did but once they saw the condition of the House that really escalated their worries and got the search going because it was very disturbing how they found the house. Yes kanye is pretty panicked by this time so she met the police at the House with her keys to John's house right. That was the family house but he had. I've been the one living there. Roy Yeah but the doors were boarded up from the inside. Yes so Tanya's at this point thinking you know. Are My kids lying in there. It's a horrible horrible thing. So they had to break down the front door to get into the house and inside the house just trashed broken furniture scattered shards of glasses and dishes personal items tossed all over the place and it basically interior have been destroyed. Even the mattresses -Chusetts have been cut open with a knife and courts to the appliances. Were Cut. Now this this is overkill well this sounds like a psychotic person who says nuts well and it scared. Thank you know where the kids there when this was going on what happened fighting the house and the condition was really disturbing to say the released and this along with John's appearance suicide attempt really increased overall concern of course for the wellbeing of the boys. Something bad bad had happened in that house so had the boys still been in the house when their father was raging and destroying their home or had he already done something with them. Tom Had they been alive or heady already killed them. We really don't know the only one that knows is John. Well if you believe his story Eh. They're on their way to Florida with Joann Taylor. There's no reason to believe that. No that's bull. It is so in the following Monday November twenty twenty-ninth the boys still hadn't been found and chief weeks held a press conference to share what they knew he couldn't say that Joann Taylor was not a real person but the police had been unable to find any evidence that John Skeleton had known her. Been in touch with anyone by that name and the only facebook activity by John on skeleton had been found on his own facebook wall and it was super disturbing late on the evening of Thanksgiving John. Skelton had posted. Did may God and Tanja forgive me and that just is an ominous statement. Sound good makes me think something really horrible had already happened happened. Half the press conference room was filled with friends neighbors and volunteers they all stood solemnly behind the television cameras and reporters chief weeks announced the skeletons. Minivan the Blue Dodge Caravan. The missing gas cap was known to have driven from the Ohio turnpike through holiday. They city and West Unity Thursday evening so he said the search was going to be moved to that area right the FBI put two planes in the air. There were search and rescue dogs on the ground and they even had a team of profiles working together at the police station. More volunteers were joining the search each day as well. How and they went door to door? And they posted flyers on telephone poles and storefront windows. CER- pretty much. The whole community is involved in this. Remember it's a town of three thousand people so pretty much. Everyone knew each other but nobody seemed to really know what was in the mind of John Skeleton and and that would hold the key to what happened. There would so during this time John Skelton still in the hospital. You're is now saying that he couldn't remember what had happened into the kids. That's a scary thing Yeah I mean he's he's got to realize that Joann Taylor his fictitious and people are going to figure that Out Pretty quickly. So he's GonNa come up with something well in the story changes constantly. Yeah he told chief we extent. He had a dream about the boys being in an Bandon schoolhouse in Ohio and he added that he remembered seeing a dumpster in the Ramada Inn. Parking lot in holiday city and this is is important according to John Because back in two thousand seven he wrote a poem about a little boy who has abandoned in Dunster so things are just getting creepy career and weirder the FBI Senate Cadaver dog team to the county landfill where they sifted through the most recently of garbage and they all searched searched. The O'CONNELL schoolhouse. There was no trace of the skeleton voice. Now nothing I mean not even a piece of clothing toy nothing so it super frustrating trading so after the press conference there were two hundred volunteers lined up inside the fire station in they each were signing up for different search parties chief weeks wanted five teams to walk through the Lazy River Campground which was north of holiday city and this was an area that John Skelton was very familiar with they'd camped at the Lazy River Campground and he'd been to holiday city quite a bit. I think mostly in his job as a truck driver so those who didn't go to the campground and stood outside watching the FBI plane circling around town and it took a while to get everything organized but it was also the first day of deer season in Ohio and everybody knew somebody who was out in the woods hunting so that really complicated. The search plan because police were really worried that someone was going to be accidentally shot by hunter hunter they had the orange vests. But still. You've gotta worry when there's a bunch of people out there with shotguns. It would were rifles. Whatever they use rifles else so search teams also walked south along Ohio? Fifteen towards holiday city in case Skelton dumped the boy's somewhere along the route they're able to cover about seven miles that Monday afternoon before it got dark. Still no sign of the boys was found. Yes so that fucking guy. I don't know oh how the police could even put up with him. Wouldn't you just WanNa hit them or strangle him or waterboarding or something. Torture sounds good. It does I mean you really have have to have self control to be one of these detectives who are trying to talk to him. Because I just don't know if I could do it. He was arrested as soon as he was released from the hospital. spittle that was December second and he had to appear in the Lucas County court for common pleas and that was for an extradition hearing to go back to Michigan Shiberghan and at this point he was in a wheelchair and wearing a soft shoe cast but there was a lot of talk about his injury because if if he felt like he said there were two or three doctors who agreed he should have been wearing a hard plaster. Cast not the soft shoe cast. He was wearing and that was also backed up by the emergency department director. The soft shoe casts indicated that he had a hairline fracture. So that's just is like a crack through the bone not a full break displacement but he claimed to have fallen from a height of ten feet while attempting to hang himself. Now I know European Eighty attrition. But what do you think about that. Well it at ten feet. You normally expect of fracture and not just a hairline crack so a fracture fractured be something. Where basically it's through the entire bone so it's in two pieces and the ends of the bones fractured parts? Don't line up with each other. Like the should the other thing. If he fell from that height of ten feet you would expect. Maybe some vertebrae would be involved in terms like a compression fracture particularly the lower wins the lumbar vertebrae so like the backbones. Yeah so and then a hairline fracture when that does occur. The type that John had they usually involve twisting a rolling. So what do you mean twisting a rolling so maybe he'd been working on uneven ground and turned his ankle or something like that. Okay well now would suggest maybe he got that injury walking in an uneven terrain like in the woods or something right well whatever. Whatever actually happened that Friday morning evidence really indicated? That things did not happen the way that John Skelton was saying they did. That's the one thing you can be sure of perfectly. We did not like I said he changed the story many times. Yeah I mean now. It wasn't Joann Taylor who had the boys it was a guy named Niles and a woman named sue or maybe it was a guy named Elijah and then John Eventually decided he didn't know the name at all. It was just a man in a van. Dan from a secret organization dedicated to protecting kids like his from mothers lake. Tanya with just gets weirder and Weirder it sounds very farfetched fetched but I guess there was a special on. I'm going to say twenty twenty. Pretty sure that was the show. On these secret groups that would take kids to protect them from abusers it may be. That's John got this idea. Maybe he saw that program but some people who did back up John and believe him at least in the the beginning would refer to that show about those secret organizations. Although I think it's very far fetched to think that were again again. He keeps changing his story. So why should I believe this story anymore than the half dozen other stories. He's told well and if his kids were being abused and he got them them somewhere safe why would he want to then hang himself. Yep you think he would have been happier with chief. Weeks announced the John Skelton was going to be charged with parental kidnapping kidnapping. The chief wasn't feeling all optimistic about the fate of the skeleton boys. Well I'm not either. We don't anticipate a positive suspending. The chief said in a television station broke the story about Tanya being a registered sex offender and this story aired on November twenty ninth two thousand ten and in nineteen ninety eight during a first marriage. Tenure had plead guilty to a fourth degree misdemeanor charge of criminal sexual conduct because she he had an affair with a fourteen year old boy. This is a kid. Her husband had hired to help take care of a rental property they owned. Yeah so that's a disturbing thing that she did that very and I think if that was a man who had had sex with a fourteen year old girl it might have been taken a little more seriously. I hate to say. I don't have any doubt now. She had said she had a felony. And that's why she would have to check into things before moving to Florida. But when you look at the record hurted is actually a fourth degree misdemeanor charge so I don't know if that was just a miss she misspoke or what that was about but she actually got off pretty easy except she did have to be on the sex offenders registry which has to be pretty bad to have to admit that or sure. You're so on Thursday morning. December second chief weeks wanted the search to be focused back on that Lisi river campground and by now they ahead. Five hundred volunteers twelve buses went to the campground and volunteers. Were able to cover pretty much. Every inch of land firefighters with engines. There were boats and divers and they were all focused on these three fishing ponds on the Saint Joseph River. The divers in boats were and they they did have a piece of equipment like a sonar but it was very not a great one kind of the cheap version that you might use for fishing or something so they didn't really think it was. This is helpful as it might sound and they did find nothing but they were really focused on that area because of John Skelton cell phone triangulation and also there had been a witness who came forward and said that he'd seen skeletons van. Exit the Turnpike in holiday city. That morning ED chief we didn't expect to find the boys alive but he put off calling to search a homicide investigation until mid February and he actually waited for Snow Day to make sure that the kids knew the brothers would be home with their families when the story came out. Well and that's a nice thing. I don't know if that would have occurred to me although although I guess that would be part of your experience or training as police officer or probably again. It's a small town and kids knew each other right so it has to be really scary Gary for the other kids in town so your heart breaks for these three boys but then you also have to consider how many people this affected a lot of people. You've got this small town. Everybody knows each other. The kids all play together and then all the sudden three boys are gone. It's very traumatic doc. So now there's a homicide investigation but they couldn't charge John Skelton with murder so in July of twenty eleven he took a plea of no contest. Two three counts of unlawful imprisonment. Unlawful imprisonments defined by the Michigan Penal Code as knowingly restraining. A person to keep the location Haitian of confinement a secret so he was given a fifteen year prison sentence five years for each child and the judge said that taking them from their mother there and all they've ever known is the cruelest form of imprisonment imaginable. So she gave him pretty much the longest sentence she could with the five years for each child. eld maximum yes no that she said that the judge had to release more information than they wanted in order to justify this harsh sentence. So he's worried that they might impact the case a little bit. Yeah right and well well. Volunteers were out searching for the boys. Skelton told investigators through gators just awful things and one of them. Particular was though hibernate until they graduate. Yes so I don't understand that right because because if these children have died. How's he going to explain when they're adults why they never come back? Yeah although you could also take that I think of you're dead and they won't be found until they're older that's awful for years and years. He would never admit they were dead. Ever know he'd never admit to hurting them at all. Aw but how can you give your kids to strangers. And assume they're going to be safer than they would be with their own mother. How do you know that these strangers wouldn't abuse the voice? You don't just defies belief. It does because there's really no proof of him. Having any contact with people like that right. They went through his computer in his phone records. There's no trail leading to anything like that. So even if you were going to believe it there's no way to back that up with any evidence he he would have had to contact them somehow. When would think yes now? Investigators were looking into the search history on skeletons computer. They founded the Google things like how to break neck and does rat poison kill people and this was on the night before the boys disappeared so all WTO so. That was a serious fine. That was very alarming. Because here's the first true sign of violence being thought about at least the only really graphic evidence of that they have now. Skelton said the the police that the boys at Aston these questions and he was helping them out by searching for the answers Sousse cheese which is really a low blow but you know he said they were watching a karate movie or something and the kids had asked these questions which makes no sense. Even if you gave the next thing a pass rat poison wouldn't make any sense no not in a karate movie now not at all. It's really horrible. That he was using his own children like that to say that to as if he was helping them when he was probably murdering them awful. But you know this was really the first evidence pointing being specifically to a murder by skeleton throat. Even though that's what everyone's already thinking of course brochure. So Skelton had given the boys coats in toothbrushes to a family family member and said he never wanted Tandja to have them or anything else to remember the boys by so these actions and words all point to a real act of revenge against Tanya like he really wanted to hurt her by taking away her children and you know her strength and ability to talk about this case has been really criticized and when I first saw her speaking I thought wow she seems kind of cold but in the beginning of this nightmare she was very emotional. There are many interviews of her where she just can't stop crying. She was actually hospitalized for a period of time and got extensive counselling and according to Tanna. She's very very strong now because she wants to move forward and do what her son's would expect of her psych and kind of understand it after seeing some of the older interviews and and thinking about what her philosophy of the whole thing is right and then according to tenure John may have been planning to take away the kids for a while the months. Even 'cause if you made up the false identity of Joann Taylor online and then he purposely got into contact with Tanya through cafe mom. It sounds like he's planning to get revenge on her. Yeah or he at least was trying to keep an eye on her and find out things right but he was like losing grip with reality ability and a lot of ways losing his grip. According to John John had become obsessed with video games in the months leading up to the boys disappearances yeah he kind of created more of a life online than in reality after he lost his job as a truck driver but none of his online gaming context had any analogy of what had happened to the boys. Either no high in skeletons described as intelligent but from what we've been reading in learning about him. He seems somewhat disconnected from reality already yet. He was really into those online role playing games. I mean play in for ten or twelve hours now overall though tanny believed that John had been a good father father in the past and spend a lot of time with his boys teaching them things but he'd been retreating into his own world and spending hours alone for a while before this happened and he was just kind of an odd duck from the beginning tanna would attribute much of this to his upbringing. His relationship with his parents was pretty awed. His parents had visited other family members in Michigan driving up from Florida and one time they'd already returned back to Florida before board drawn even knew that they'd been in Michigan. So they'd go to Michigan and not even contact him or see their grandkids. That's strange. Yeah and then. One time time. John's mother Roxanne was angry with him about something and she ripped up all of her pictures of their only son at the time. Andrew and mailed held them to Tanya and John. Why would you rip up your grandchild's pictures? That's just bizarre. While they sound bizarre yeah no John's ends parents haven't talked much about their missing grandkids but they have supported John Right but after these kids went missing. They didn't even come up to Michigan to help with the search or anything you know then. In one instance his parents spoke to the media and said that they believe the boys are fine and in good hands they claim the media was only listening to Tanna side of the story but her story was the same John Story Changed Day to day and then just wasn't believable. Right yeah play now. Well I guess they only visited him a couple times in prison or jail. Whatever so I don't I think the relationship there was good clearly to begin with crew but they definitely back him up and say that he would never do anything to hurt his children and they believe the kids are just fine which makes no sense none at all? So John Walsh. America's most wanted he got involved in the skeleton case in in two thousand twelve and had an hour long documentary called abduction in the heartland so this resulted in many calls coming in but nothing actually help absolve the case in two thousand thirteen. The case was actually handed over to the Michigan State. Police and what they did is just kind of started from scratch. Approach going over Olive John Skeletons interviews and stories and any leads to wear. The boys could be. John still wasn't charged with murder but he does is remain in prison for unlawful imprisonment. But still he really shows no interest in helping to locate his sons if his sons really were alive and turned over over to someone he would only make sense that he would want to help find them to get out of prison and to be able to see them. I mean at this point the oldest child would be of of age. He'd be like nineteen so skeleton just continues to lie to police and the police do maintain periodic contact with him in prison prison but he hasn't revealed anything new no once. Abduction in the heartland was aired the center for Missing and Exploited Children released age age progression photos. Skeleton continued to change his story just to remind people know woman named Joanne. Taylor has ever been found. He he said he turned his kids over to a group called United Foster outreach and underground sanctuary to protect them from Tanna no group by this name has ever have been identified right but he can always explain that by saying while they're underground. Yeah top secret right. So is there any chance that John Skelton was is telling the truth about Tanya abusing her sons. I mean it is possible. It is no evidence no indication at all now. So if is really protecting technics boys in Tanzania. The police have offered that. If they can get the location of the boys they would work to put the boys in the custody of a third party while they investigate the claims Skelton shown no interest at all in this. He has shown no interest in seeing a sense again either. So isn't that weird. I mean if he supposedly loved his children want to protect them. He wouldn't care about seeing them or knowing that they're okay worlds because her dead. Well I know that but I'm just trying to go over my mind to give any plausibility. There is a chance WHO's no plausibility. Yeah Right No. There really isn't but there are some people who maintain pain that it's plausible. Well sure because they've never found a trace of them so until they they get some definitive evidence to the contrary sorry there could still be alive. Yes but like you said the chances of that are pretty much non existent swimming so you know. He's not the first man to be accused accused of murdering his children. It certainly does happen unfortunately does now. The official name for killing your kids is Phil aside and there are five common motives for parental child killers. altruistic phyllis side is based on the belief that the parent is relieving the child of real imagine suffering lots of times that has like a religious component. Yes it does. Yeah then the spousal revenge Philip side which includes children killed to retaliate against her punish the other parent and I would definitely put John Skeleton in that category. Yes acute psychosis. This is Phil. Aside includes murder under the influence of severe mental illness. Right like an Andrea Yates and then unwanted child. Phyllis side this. The one that's usually committed by mothers involving their newborns right lots of times that's a teenager and in his accidental Philip side. This is something that you might see in domestic silence of child abuse and that sometimes happens with Munchausen Syndrome by proxy child abuse. That's right because they stopped their child from breathing and rescue their child and and then some day. It just doesn't happen. Their luck runs out and the child dies but you know skeleton claimed these altruistic motives to protect his children learn from their parents. He sent them away any told police that his wife was this registered sex offender. I mean that was something he had to say all the time so he said he took the kids away to keep them safe but you know transcripts from his sentencing hearing in June two thousand eleven. Really show someone who is out for revenge and in retaliation in. That's the way I saw it. How about you under questioning? He said things like they're going to hibernate until they graduate eight and I didn't really think of how gruesome that is until you gave me your interpretation of that. He also said they won't be coming back until Tangent I get back together which sounds like a psychotic stocker revenge killer guy you're Kazoo knockin back together. No but to even say they won't be back until they get back together when he'd just said she was a child abuser. Come on doesn't even make sense. The transcript also showed how he turned over those toothbrushes brushes and winter coats to a relative and gave the relative instructions not to give them back to Tanya because he didn't want to allow Tan you to have any memories of the voice race so if that's not vengeful or cruel. I don't know what is tennis. said that John might have acted this way out of fear because he lost a daughter and a custody battle with his first wife They live in Massachusetts so he rarely saw the child now. If that's the the case and a skeleton one possession of his sons he should be dead too right. You should be lying right next to his kids bodies absolutely yes And also I mean if he's afraid of not seeing his sons again and he murdered them. That's the old if I can't have. Nobody can narcissistic quality well. Police believe that Skelton disposed of the bodies of his sons by dumping them somewhere and not telling anyone and to stay in control. Disposing of the bodies wasn't enough for him. So he most likely drove into Williams county from Miranda without stopping spent some time time there and went back home the holiday city cell phone tower had ping. So you'd probably spent what ended up to seventy six minutes within three and a half miles of that tower but his van wasn't dirty or scratched so investigators believe that he had parked somewhere secluded and carried the boys bodies into the woods. Let's or out into an area so they don't think that he drove through any brush or mud at the same time most investigators. I don't believe that he buried his kids because he just didn't have enough time to do and he didn't have any tools or shovels that we sit were found in the van. That's true so one possibility which I think is very reasonable city. Put his voice bodies into a dumpster and holiday city and the Dunster his empty before were they researched. Well yes I mean. Even if he had prepared an area to take the boys bodies if it was all planned out I think they would have been found remains would have been found found because there were massive searches done in the landfills can be tough well. Yeah that's why the dumpster ideas probably more likely right but you know. He denies hurting his children. So the explanations are confusing. He said that he met four people in Niles Michigan in September of twenty any ten and they didn't give him their real names. It was then. He said that he began the process of handing the boys over to them and this was his most recent version and he said that he gave the group his home address and they came to see the boys in his home and he said that the group took the boys to spend the night at their house on Thanksgiving Night Eh. He called the group the underground sanctuary when this version. He says that this was supposed to be a trial run but then he never saw his sons again but he said that the organization knew what they were doing and he trusted them. He'd also suggested that the group were amish or Mennonite or reorganized Mormons and he would say later that he hadn't really tried to hang himself at all. That wasn't true so talking to him just like pointless really. You're unless you can. Can you know get some bits of truth in there somehow. What's the likelihood of that you could talk to him? And then an hour later go the same stuff you get a different story. Exactly we'll because he doesn't seem to have any regret or any feelings of needing to say what happened right scary guy and the police really looked into that amish theory as well because it was feasible. Although very unlikely in the Amish aren't underground and they wouldn't hide children just because the man requested it. Most of the Amish are pretty integrated into modern society even though they live differently but they're definitely going to follow the law. They're not going to kidnap children children just because someone asks them to and the boys were old enough. They knew where they came from. They'd be asking questions but according to John his his not knowing exactly where the children are living was part of the whole plan because if he didn't know where they were it was easier to keep their location from Tanna so even though the case has become a murder investigation. He has said that he doesn't want to lose faith in finding the boys one day and I would think that would make her. Just go nuts to hear that. I'd want to jump across the table motherfucker. Know what a terrible human being an even has the nerve to call himself a victim in this case poor John by September twentieth. Two thousand seventeen a cleaning crew in Missoula Montana found a box with human remains in a shed behind and a house and called the police. They'd been sent to clean up the place after tenants had been evicted. The box held teeth. A lower jaw bone several smaller unspecified bones and some rocks Montana state crime lab forensic analysts and a University of Montana believed that the remains. We're from three children and were likely modern archaeological. So estimated ages of the children were two to four five to eight and six to ten when they he died. Yeah so this made people think of the skeletons. Even though they were you know far across the country no other evidence was found on the property so the remains are sent into the University of North Texas. DNA testing that it was determined at the bone samples. Were over ninety nine years old and had been buried for some time prior to being uncovered so that turned out to be a dead end. Yeah so that got a lot of people excited for nothing. On January tenth of twenty eighteen. The Associated Press ran a story worry about those bones found in Montana and now they knew that the dental records didn't match the boys either and additional tests done at the University of North Texas determined that the remains were actually from an American Indian child between two and five and two others between five and nine years old so tests indicated the the remains had probably been buried at an earlier date and later dug up. And I guess that's what gave them the impression that they may have been more recent sure but obviously no uh-huh connection there at all no so John Skeleton has been described us in narcissist and detectives who interviewed him believe. He's very sensitive to what other people think of him so he's probably never gonNa tell anyone if he did actually kill his kids. It's unlikely that anyone knows what he did with So it seems like unless a witness comes forward or skelton speaks. We might never know the truth about what happened. Certainly keeping a secret gives it was John Power and control over Tannin investigators and he definitely likes having control. Yeah I think that's true absolutely and I don't I think he'll ever admit what he did he just doesn't have it in him to be that decent her and the only thing admit to as he gave them to the underground railroad or whatever serve right exactly so John was interviewed for. WD IV TV in Detroit in two thousand eighteen and he said at this point that he did regret giving his boys away he talked about his last evening with his son saying that he made them fried chicken. They watched a karate movie and even had a cake for Andrew's birthday. He he said he had already made arrangements with the underground sanctuary to take his sons by that point and at ten pm Thanksgiving night. John said that two women and in a man in his sixties pulled up to the house in a van and they took the boys away. Johns said that he told the boys they were going to have a better life living on an amish farm arm so new spiel of bullshit similar but a little different but as you said and unless there's new evidence or a witness comes comes forward or or skeleton themself says what happened whenever you're going to know what happened now probably not unless remains turn up somehow so this is is truly a case where we're just left not knowing it may be unsolvable her think so so to prepare. For this episode we listened to to a podcast titled Shattered Black Friday and that was done by producer Jeremy Allen from WD TV. It's a twelve episode. podcast cast as some good interviews and outtakes. You might WANNA listen to. If you're interested I also read a book about this case written by Lynn Thompson titled Seventy six minutes. 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We weren't a lot of people aren't an I said. Can you renege on it but Jahic. WHO's an attorney We've communicate okay with him. Before he's been very helpful he said that generally once a plea deal signed and the defendant adheres to the terms in terms of cooperating trading or testifying against the CO defendant CETERA. The State cannot retract or change the terms of the agreement. It's an enforceable contract between the parties. Yes so she got away with helping in a murder. Basically she did and as as the prosecutor in that incident said we made a deal with the devil. And that's something they often have to do right in terms. You have to do it. Yeah Okay Sir thank you Yannick. I knew someone would have the answer to that. Yeah thanks for sending that in so we have a case suggestion from Joe and Joe Rights. I came across this story in an unusual way. I belong to a mini Cooper facebook group group and a member posted a picture of his cooper alongside a memorial. In pembroke New Hampshire. I googled it and learned about this tragedy that had occurred in eighteen. Seventy five in October. Eighteen seventy five. Joe See. Lang made was taking a shortcut through the forest to get to school when she was abducted strangled and and mutilated her killer turned out to be a man named Joseph Lepage. Who was a serial rapist and killer? The pages story is told in an excellent book titled Cold North Killers Canadian serial murder written by Lee Miller. Yeah I just thought an interesting case to study since six hundred fifty years or almost one hundred fifty years old yeah. We haven't really done anything historical in a while. No so definitely will look into that and this guy who who abducted and killed Josie has quite a story. So we'll see about doing okay and then we have another case suggestion. Yes this is a suggestion from anonymous. So she says hello to you both. I listen to you all the time. I'm such a huge fan. Thank you as a recommendation. Look into Loretta Boroughs. She's known to families aunt cookie. This the show snap did a short episode honor and uh-huh. Mg what a story. She is from the Jersey shore area so looking things up on her Loretta boroughs was grandma. Lived lived on the Jersey shore in two thousand seven. She reported her husband missing. She said he had run off to Florida with a much younger woman as six years later acting on an anonymous tip which I haven't figured out what the tip was but anyway we'll police searched her home and in a closet. They found two boxes. Fox's that contained the remains of her husband and a handbag with a skull inside surprised and she apparently had made a couple of moves with the stuff. Oh yikes no he think the odor would have been really bad row. She had the boxes packed with whole series. It was something something here krause to cut down on the odor so no one had even been looking for him. Ha apparently not look like they took her word for it or or just didn't have any evidence that was different from what she said. Wow so that's amazing that it went on for that long. Who for ember okay? Then we have another other case suggestion from Jerry and Jerry writes. I'd really like to hear some podcast focused on victims. Who aren't just pretty white women or cute white children? These demographics already get more coverage and attention than minority groups black women and kids who go missing. Don't usually get the same kind of attention and this is actually. He called missing White Woman Syndrome and there are articles about it. Their lives are not any less valuable. Indigenous people are often much more overlooked. Looked when missing or murdered there. Many instances of serial murderers who preyed upon young gay men as well and sadly there aren't a shortage of brutal deaths of gay men either. Do hate crimes. transgender people are among the highest in the population at risk for suicide or being murdered as a trans man. I would like to see some of these people given attention as well specifically I can suggest the rape and murder of Brandon Teena. He was gang raped and murdered along with the two friends in front of the murderers toddler because he was transgender. He was twenty one since his mother didn't recognize his gender. He was buried with a gravestone. Gravestone that said daughter sister friend. I think it's important that we don't forget to look at minorities and I think it's also important that brandon and others can be remembered remembered by some people as the man he was since he sadly did not have the support of his family. The crime took place on December thirty first nineteen ninety three in Nebraska Nebraska and he gave us a link to the wiki page also. There was a movie made based on Brandon's murder called boys. Don't cry along with the documentary entitled the Brandon. Teena story when speaking to him in the podcast. If you're interested in doing it it would be appropriate to refer to him as his chosen name. Same Brandon Teena and with male pronouns even though he was assigned female at birth while of course we do that certainly so this is a very very true email. Glad you included it. Because it's something we've discussed before and I've read several articles lately on indigenous people and the horrible we'll crimes mostly to young indigenous women. That really don't get the attention. I mean it's absolutely true. And that's kind of the catch twenty two because if if we want to do an episode we need data we need information and as Jerry says too often. There isn't any or capacity of it so you you just can't really make it a story out of share. Yeah but it sounds like we definitely do the story of Brandon Teena now. There's plenty out there on that. I didn't realize that boys don't cry was based on a true life story. I hate to admit good movie. I know. Know if you've seen it I've seen it. Who Link won an Oscar? Yeah I've heard of it. Sure I think we'll we won't be doing that. I think so and just you know a little shout out for help to who are listeners. If you know of a good case involves the minority then definitely send us the recommendation because a lot of our episodes are based on listener recommendations conditions. That's a big part of it for sure you got it. Yeah okay well. Thank you to everyone for your feedback. Now I have to say there have been a shortage of voice smell so if you feel like sending a voice mail that would be much appreciate it. Let's go let's get some voices on here. Yes we definitely want to do that. Then we need to start thinking about out having some kind of contest. We haven't had one in a while so if anyone has any recommendations for that would be great as well sounds. 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Hunger: The Starvation Heights Murders

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Hunger: The Starvation Heights Murders

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener. Discretion is advised. Hey Welcome to true crime brewery. I'm Gel and I'm Dick with little medical training and no scientific basis for her treatments. Dr Linda Hazzard was able to attract many wealthy clients to her institute of Natural Therapeutics in Lalla Washington. Dorothea and Claire Williamson wealthy sisters from England. Read Dr Hazards Book Fasting. For the cure to disease and they believe that this was their path to true health two months after starting the treatment. Dorothea and Claire. Each weighed about seventy pounds by the time family members were summoned to the institute. Claire was dead and Dorothea weighed fifty pounds. She was unable to care for herself anymore. As she endured starvation daily animas and beatings. In addition Dr Hazard had been appointed the executor of Clare State and the legal guardian of Dorothea investigations revealed that Dr Hazard was responsible for the deaths of many of her patients. Join US at the quiet end for a story of greed and sadism in time when pseudoscience and questionable medical practices went virtually unchecked. In today's episode hunger. We will try to understand the mentality that led these otherwise sensible people to believe intact hazard even as she slowly killed them. So this case is just infuriating to me. I think we're GonNa have a good discussion so I hope you brought a tasty beer. I did even bought a beer from the same area. This is space dust from elision brewing company in Seattle space just as an American Ip. A eight point two percent alcohol by volume the spears clear gold. Big Huge Whitehead little bit. Lacing Aroma of pine mostly little bit citrus and a lot of sweet malt. This had a mostly piney taste little bit a grapefruit and very good caramel background. In fact this is pretty much of a mob forward I. TA is not that hoppy all right. It sounds good. Let's open it up. Okay okay dickey. Let's take this beer down to the quiet end of our spare bedroom. Okay now I was thinking when people listen to these podcasts years from now if anybody does they're going to say oh yeah. That was back in the corner of twenty twenty. Let's say Yeah Living History going on here yet. This is what our third or fourth episode we've done since being under the quarantine. Yes I know. It's very different. Her sure is. Yeah but I like these historic crimes. And I'm going to really enjoy this conversation. Although you know like I said it pushes some buttons for me. It really makes me angry. I'm sure it does you too as a physician right group or person portraying herself as a physician that always gets your goat. I it's just. She's a horrible person. Yeah just a mean bitch really absolutely. Yeah okay well. Why don't you go ahead and get started as you said? Joe This is an old case is from over one hundred years ago. I now amazing. It is so Linda. Burr field was born in carver. County Minnesota in eighteen sixty eight. She was the oldest of seven kids. Her mother Susan was a Canadian. After Linda's father died in the civil war. Susan married a man named Montgomery Burford. Linda was an energetic girl. She was known as a tomboy showing more interest in outdoor activities than in the activities more suitable for a proper young woman in the year of the late eighteen. Hundreds right yeah Yup. Linda believed that her early. Criticisms of the medical establishment were developed by the mistaken beliefs of a medical doctor who visited on the birth field children whence a year. So this doctor convinced the Burchfield parents that their children were silent victims of dangerous intestinal parasites till's were prescribed and these broad. I'm painful episodes vomiting and diarrhea as she grew into an adult. Linda claimed the pills had done irreparable damage to her gastrointestinal tract and these required her to give herself daily unanmous. And that's bad right. Can't you set your electrolytes just off doing that? That's bad to do that. And certainly kind of best thing that can happen. As you get dependent on the enemies you not able to have a bowel movement on your on your depending on the Animus to do it but depending on what fluid is in their waters. The simplest right. Yeah that's usually what it was from what I read. So what'll happen is you'll get some fluid absorbed into the body kind of dilutes things out causing problems. Yeah so this was a big thing with her though. Yes she was a real believer in these animus. Yes so Linda married a man named Edwin Perry when she was just eighteen and the couple settled in Fergus. Falls and had two kids. Her son. Roland was born in Eighteen. Eighty nine and her daughter. Nina Floyd was born in eighteen ninety one. According to court records in Hennepin County Minnesota Edwin Perry had abandoned Linda and their children in Eighteen. Ninety eight leaving her with no support so a divorce was finalized in nineteen. Oh two Linda using her maiden name and her son and daughter she just sent off to live with their grandmother Susan Burr Field. Her Dad Montgomery had died in a logging accident years earlier. So it seems that the children were just kind of in the way of Linda's ambitions for a career as a fasting specialist while her son would return later to be with her. Her daughter held a grudge against her mother and they never reconciled. Many people who Linda also believed that it was she who left Edwin once she had a family she just decided it wasn't what she wanted. She had a higher calling and she was going to be this fasting specialist so she began by studying osteopathy with plans to work as a nurse but then a book written by Dr Edward. Dewey changed everything for her in it. The doctor promoted the therapeutic benefits of fasting back to do he had treated a typhoid fever. Case where the routine treatment had failed then he decided to let nature take course and prescribed a fast after thirty four days without really any significant nourishment just fluids the patient recovered so this was extended dewey scientific research. Exactly one patient. Do we wrote. What would become famous essay unhealthy Diet titled The? No breakfast plan. Linda contacted the doctor and she convinced him somehow that she would be the best person to carry on his legacy. Oh I think she was good at convincing people of things. She was very charming manipulative. Able to do that and we'll find out a lot more about that. As she gets older we will the Linden. Dewey were closely together. They had one area of disagreement. Net was the use of enemies as nate internal bath to cleanse the bowels. Do we thought that the bowels should be allowed to function naturally but Linda was a strong proponent of venomous now after he died Linda opened her own practice in Minneapolis. According to Linda people a serious diseases that medical doctors couldn't cure recovered under her care. And she cured people have such things as diabetes infectious diseases and even paralysis. Well I mean. She's pretty much claiming she could care anything right. Sure you name it. I can fix it. Yes everything came from. Food was the whole theory that she was practicing by. Yeah yeah but I mean her education like I said was very limited. It was just a few words about how she started calling herself a doctor. She essentially has grandfathered in his back in the day over one hundred years ago. There wasn't any regulation if you wanted to be your doctor. You just called Yourself Dr. These really hard to imagine. Hasn't it. Yeah so over time years and years it got to be where you needed to have a medical degree from an accredited medical school. And you needed to take a test in the state that you wanted to practice in now. Somehow Lindo is grandfathered in as Dr on the basis of her osteopathic training in becoming a nurse or to become a nurse. And I have no idea how that happened just that she was granted a medical license. Well I mean regulations were just completely inadequate. It was a real shit. Show just wasn't wasn't organize. Well there there were regulations just that they weren't followed. Well care were they. Were overlooked right. Well sure but she was. She call myself doctor even though she had no degree and she had a presence. She carried herself as if she knew everything and a lot of people believed her. Sure I mean. Half of life is convincing people of something that you are uh-huh so in nineteen. Oh three Linda's future husband. Sam hardgrave was engaged to a young lady named and Sam had agreed to take a position in the Minneapolis Office of American credit. The plan was that Viva would join him as soon as he was financially settled so he told fever that her patience would be rewarded with a wedding and a life of love and happiness so she stayed back home in the country. And this Sam was charmer. He sent Viva love letters almost every day of the week and that March. He wrote to her asking her to travel to Minneapolis. He said that he regretted that he was unable to send her any money for her trip but he professed his love for her and his desire for the two of them to spend their lives together so much like Linda. Sam Can convince just about anybody of anything so vivas madly in love with him and when she arrived in Minneapolis he was there. He had asked his boss for an afternoon off to meet some friends and not mentioned that Viva was coming or that. They had wedding plans but they marry that day in the courthouse. After Sam the justice of peace. He better make it quick. 'cause he was in a hurry but viva just had waited so long to marry Sam that she was just happy. She was happy to be a new bride and she overlooked. That and the couple rented a nice apartment. They furnished it with vivas savings because she came from a wealthy family and she was making plans to start a family but his months went by and Sam was around. Less and less viva was becoming suspicious. He traveled off tin and although he continued to send her love letters. Viva just couldn't help but notice that he spent a lot of time with Linda. Burr field this female doctor who specialized in the fasting treatment so sam was frequently seen in Linda's offices downtown and he told Viva that he planned to go into business with Burr. Field Firm didn't have any medical training right US just a businessman. Yes so in the fall of nineteen o three Sam introduced the two women and he did introduce Viva as his wife but soon after that Viva began receiving horrible letters telling her that Linden her husband were having a romance and when she confronted her husband he just kind of brushed it off he told Eva that he and Linda just had a professional relationship so viva finally begged her husband to stop seeing the fasting doctor and he agreed he wrote a letter to Lindbergh field explaining that nothing but unhappiness could result from them having a business or personal relationship and for the sake of his marriage and on the advice of his father-in-law. Sam would no longer spend time with the fasting doctor but apparently this just didn't influence Linda at all know that November under the name Samuel Hazard Not Hargrave Saint. Mary Linda Burr Field. So they married in office with a friend of Linda's as a witness. But then Sam Smith the next four nights with his other wife Viva as say otherwise because he hadn't divorced her no spires. She knows everything slang with them. He's just the Marian kind he. I guess so. So in the fifth day after his marriage to Linda Sam as Viva to meet him at his office for a four o'clock meeting when she arrived. Sam Wasn't there but he had left a note for he said it. He had been detained by a business matter. But it's your later that evening Sep from one thing. He never came home that night so he is awake all night. Worrying and praying for her husband safe return so the next morning Sam showed up along with his father. Yes so that was weird. I'm sure that set off some alarms in her head. Po. Yeah Yeah. They both looked really serious and they were just leading her to believe that they had bad news but offering no apologies. Explanation for being away overnight. Sam told Viva that she wasn't his wife. She was just a common law. Wife he explained in there was no record of a legal marriage between the two of them. So this was quite a shock. Wasn't it yeah? It's been some time that they'd been married. Yes and then Sam told Viva that he was actually married to Lynda Bird Field. So she's crushed and her father's angry he had really believed that. Sam held some promises a son in law and as you know a good husband to his daughter he remembered how he had sent two hundred dollars to Sam to set up house for Viva himself in Minneapolis but SAM had just selfishly. Spent the money on himself. You know and he thought that was not a good sign but he was giving Sam another chance but now he wished that he had paid more attention to signs. The third was a really dishonest man. Here not someone. His daughter should have married but still sam showed no remorse for his actions and he was moving on to bigger and better things he was going to help. Start a health and treatment center with Dr Linda. Burr field now hazard you're no of Salmon. Linda thought that Viva which is quietly. Walk away from what had been done to her. They were dead wrong. She is planning to fight for her marriage and with her father's political. Wait the Hennepin. County Attorney's Office soon filed Bigamy Charges Against Samuel C. Hargrave Aka Hazard. The case began after Thanksgiving of that year and it was a quite as sensational story for the Minneapolis papers. Linda hazzard went to the press and told on. There is no proof of a marriage between salmon. Viva wasn't enough to win the case. Either Linda also wanted Viva indicted for perjury. She claimed that Viva had fabricated her marriage to Sam. When she was in fact an illicit relations with Linda's husband she claimed that Viva had deceived her parents right so the prosecution argued that there really could be no doubt. Linda knew that Sam was married to Viva Hargrave. When she married him and Vivas family in the prosecutors felt that if they could not prove a wedding it was just because the records had been deleted. Linda hazzard was becoming powerful and they knew that she was trying to ruin viva so she could have validity for her own marriage to Sam but then a woman from New York wrote letters claiming that she was Sam's first wife. She had received telegrams threatening her not to come to. Minneapolis to testify against Sam but her divorce to Sam Hazard had not been final at the time when Sam married Viva so he actually three wives now. Yeah so he done. Bigamy twice never divorced either of them yeah so in the end it was the many letters written by Salmon. Viva that convinced the court that harm had been done by SAM. His marriage to Linda is not a mistake it was a crime against Viva right so they looked back at all. These love letters that Sam had exchanged with Leva and clearly he was lying absolu- so it took the jury five hours to return the verdict of guilty and Sam just showed no emotion but Linda. She just went crazy. She said there was no wedding on March. The seven Samuel was free to marry me. I am his wife but of course the verdict said she wasn't Sam remained calm and Linda continued to go off about the injustice of it all but then vivas seemed to feel sorry for Sam so while he was responsible for what he had done. She believed he had been misled and manipulated by this evil woman. Linda hazzard. While Sam was in jail he was visited by both Linda and Viva after a few weeks of. This SAM's Linda not to visit anymore. It was viva who he loved and who he would return to once he got out of prison. He told Linda when is released. In October of Nineteen Five Sam was expected to return to viva she after all had supported him through his time in prison. Sent him letters sent him money reading material. In Viva's opinion Sam's wrongdoing had been a result of his weakness and he was forgiven but when he got out of prison Sam immediately went to the apartments and offices of Dr Linda Burchfield. Although she had announced to the world their love affair is over and she never wanted to see him again. She was with no one else while he was away. So obviously she hadn't given up on him right so these two just seem like they're made for each other slime ball he is they both are and they really are. Super Con Artists. They're just willing to say anything to anyone and then just turn around and just brush it right off their back. Yep So sam did have oh out of potential at least on paper. Lonnie looked great. Yeah good looking guy together. Smart US even a graduate of West Point but he didn't take responsibility for any single thing. He had a history of leaving debts behind any wrote bad checks to buy nice clothes or whatever else he thought he needed and he wasn't faithful so he cheated on his first wife then abandoned her for another woman because she had loaned him five thousand dollars then he moved on to Viva and then he and Linda hooked up with just goes on and on right but when even when he was with each of these women he was having sex with other women he just couldn't resist world of course mark so salmon. Linda moved to Seattle Washington in Nineteen O seven and they lived under the names Linda and Samuel Hazard in Nineteen. Oh Eight. She self published her book. Fasting for the cure to disease the path to true health. She wrote was to periodically. Let the digestive system. Rest Room near. Total fasts of many many days and during the fast patients were given small servings of vegetable broth and their systems were flushed. Daily with animus. They were also given vigorous massages. Which nurses would later describe as being more like beatings? Now despite these treatments being unproven pretty horrible to go through Dr Hazard lured in many patients. Many of them were wealthy Norwegian immigrant. Daisy Maud Haglund died. Nineteen O eight after fasting for fifty days under Dr Hazard Supervision as believed that Dr Hazard killed at least fourteen patients and possibly as many as fifty right so this is a prolonged miserable way to die. Fifty days are absolutely yeah. It's not only going without food. It's these animas which were horrendous. And these beatings which the nurses would describe as just terrible bone chilling but in September of nineteen ten to a Doctor. Linda hazards most notable patients. Were staying in Victoria. British Columbia and these are two of her patients. That we're GONNA talk about the most because they're the ones we know the most about and I always like to focus on particular victims so we can get a feel for who they were so these victims were Dorothea unclear Williamson and they were orphaned daughters of a wealthy English officer. They had been raised in well attending schools in Switzerland England and France and although they were well educated and well travelled. They did have an innocence about them. That often made them the target of con artists and people just trying to get their money from them and these two young women had been together since childhood and neither of them had ever married so they're both just over thirty and they didn't consider themselves old maids which was kind of what a. Lotta people did back then but I think the wealth gave them a lot of freedom that they didn't even really worry about that. They were enjoying their lives together and really didn't feel like they were missing anything as you said. They're both over thirty. So yeah you're old maids. Yeah but I guess. In their circumstances they weren't dependent. I mean if you look at women who don't have any money I mean back then you really needed a man just to survive right throws hard to support yourself so they were really fortunate to have this money and to have each other. You're they were Dora. Head Auburn colored hair and Claire. Had DARKEN wavy hair? Claire was the younger sister by just four years now. Neither sister had been sleeping well although they were tired from Dui while the traveling they had come from England onto Quebec then Toronto before making their way West across to the Pacific coast so in as they travelled they visited family their father had died a short time after Claire had been born and their mother died when they were still teenagers. They had family left. But these were aunts. Uncles cousins and Childhood Governess Margaret Conway. Yeah they're Scottish. Born grandfather Charles Williamson had left the sisters of fortune and this was worth more than a million American dollars including some landholdings in Canada the US England and Australia and it was really unusual for two women to control so much money in the early nineteen hundreds. I don't know what a million dollars would be worth today if you change the money over but I would think a million dollars in the early nineteen. Hundreds was at least multimillions. Lots of money a lot of money more than they would ever need. But at the time there were these institutions for natural healing popping up all over the United States and Europe and while visiting North America. The sisters visited several health institutes and they were really into trying health fads in had become kind of a way of life for them searching for the secret to perfect health and a feeling of well being now. They really weren't sickly at all but they did have some minor complaints and they just seemed to enjoy this while traveling. That fall of nineteen ten claire. Saad intriguing newspaper Ad in a Seattle newspaper and she responded to the AD on September. Second of nineteen ten clear wrote a letter to Dr Linda. Hazzard requesting her book fasting for the cure of disease and the note. She exaggerated doors illness. It was true that Dora is clear. Calder had some mild aches and pains but overall she was fairly young and well Clare was known to kind of embellish obit. Andorra didn't mind because whatever Claire Wanted. Dora was pretty happy to go along with her so in her letter. Deductor hazard Claire. Wrote the Dora had been on a partial fast since August twenty six. She had eaten mostly fruit since then. She had swollen glands and knee pain and she added in the letter. That Doris is. Were Very bloodshot. Anderson discharge. Yes Oh just like five days later. Package arrived from Dr Hazards Office and the sisters shared some tea in their sweet as Dora. Read Dr Hazards Book. Allowed to clear. Dr Hazards. Main idea was to rest the digestive system and allow the impurities to pass out of the body. The natural cleansing process she wrote would strengthen the body over time now like I said clear. Dora had been believers in natural healing. And they really didn't trust modern medicine. They were already eating a vegetarian diet. Which was unusual back then and they rejected corsets which were really popular still is they went through. Dr Hazards Book. They talked about undergoing treatment. The treatment could really be their answer for a lifetime of good health. They thought a brochure tucked into the book described Hazards Institute of Natural Therapeutics that was located in the country outside of Seattle and the address was in the village of Allala across from puget sound. It sounded like a paradise of tall trees. Salt WATER FRESH AIR. Just a great place to get well and get some rest kind of vacation. Really SPA yeah right. That's what we'd call it nowadays sisters. Obviously they had a lot of time on their hands and Pretty close to unlimited funds treatment was a medical necessity but also a reason for the vacation. Dora believed Sherry had swollen. Glands and acute rheumatic pains internees in support of Clair's misconception. As she also native treatment a London osteopath had told her that her uterus had dropped back on her spine and she had inflamed overseas and before receiving that diagnosis cleared believed. She had a sensitive stomach. None of these sound like Earth shattering things you know. None of them are now so although they did consider several different treatment centers. They read that. Dr Hazard was the only licensed fasting specialist in the world. Whenever that meant means nothing. You haven't okay true so Dr Hazard claim that she alone had discovered the cure for all ailments mental physical even moral which. I don't know how that works. But she wrote that. Overeating is the vice of the whole human race so she was fattest. She was a fattest with a D. Fattest with a t yup so therapy in the country sounded like the right thing for Claire and Dora the after visiting North America. They did have plans to go back to Australia and London. Both places where they had family homes Claire Plan to leave for London. Eighteenth nineteen eleven. She had signed up for kindergarten. Teaching course and while Claire was in London Dora plan to visit an aunt in Australia. Dora knew she couldn't stay with Clare during the training and she preferred not to spend any huge length of time alone. Satyagraha of nineteen ten. They made their plans. They would not tell any of their relatives about the institute because they tended to judge them for following. The latest health fit so they've obviously been ridiculed a little bit before. Yeah yeah sounds like it. So under the advice of an osteopathic physician. They had seen while in Victoria. They decided to spend the winter in California and then see Dr Hazard the following spring when the weather in the northwest would be warmer. Claire wrote a letter telling the doctor. That door was not well enough to make the trip to Seattle get she needed sunshine and rest before signing off. She told the doctor that Dora had been taking nightly animus and how that improved but she wasn't yet well enough for a trip to Seattle which wasn't really a true. They just didn't want to go there until it was warmer right. Yes so it's more like a fun trip for them. Kinda like Comic Con Health. Con- that type of deal. It sounds like it doesn't sound like that serious now about knows kind of like. Oh this sounds like a lark was. Try It right well because they done other things in. It never really caused any harm before and Claire had never had a serious illness but she did believe that since childhood she'd had a delicate constitution but a cousin once told others in the family being rich is the cause of all their problems cleared. Dora are ill because they can afford to be ill and that seems like a wise cousin. Europe a he went unheeded share so Dr Hazard responded to Clare in a letter December of nineteen ten. She told her that the sanitarium wasn't ready yet. But it would be open for patients in just a few weeks. She instructed both sisters to keep using the animus and to consume diet of vegetable broth and corn bread. Only in an enclosing. She assured that both that they would have excellent results. Wednesday read her sanitarium in Iowa right so they didn't really stick to that Diet. They didn't really lose weight before they went and one of the reasons. Was you know they were traveling in with family? They had all these great foods being put in front of them constantly but as they plan their travels they did agree that when they took Dr Hazards treatment they were GonNa follow it to the tea and they weren't gonNa tell anyone they were there. They wanted to be in Seattle by March first. And in mid April. Dora plan to sail to Australia while. Claire went to England for her class so on January fourteenth of nineteen eleven. The girl sent another letter to Dr Hazard. Andorra was feeling great. She said Claire and she were following the corn bread and Broth Diet Dr Hazard Ropati that the sanitarium was still not ready for patients. But then she said it was possible for transfer to be made to. Allala after starting their treatment in Seattle. So what she said she do. Is She charged? Sixty dollars per patient per month and more would be charged if extra consultation was needed and arrangements were made for the sisters to stay in a furnished department that was near the doctor hazards offices and then the ideas they can move to the country soon after so in February twenty seventh nineteen eleven the Williamson Sisters were in Dr Hazards Office which is located in the northern bank and Trust Building Clarin. Dora Williamson were impressed with the way the doctor carried herself. She just had that confidence. She wore a white dress. Look like a nurse's uniform and shook the sisters hands in a rough firm gesture that they just weren't used to having done to them now. I mean anything. I've read about this woman is she was intimidating and she even ran sam around. She was in charge. She was so she was. I did nurse. She said and since eighteen ninety eight she had been an osteopath. She gave the women a brochure which promoted this revolutionary treatment. The list of things. The treatment could cure was very long. Which should have given them a clue that this was just all too good to be true but it didn't and Dr Hazard claimed that she had cured cancer. Two weeks psoriasis heart trouble tuberculosis epilepsy. Even insanity on the list went on and on but you know she had no scientific backing. I'll she had were some testimonials from former patients. Euros are always worthwhile. Well I think they work on a lot of people though I mean even now if you have someone say I went here and I was cured. A lot of people believe it the only thing for this day and age you you still want a little more proof but yeah you're right. People are always making claims absolutely so one case that Dr Hazard shared with the sisters was this case of misses J. B. Barnett. This was a sixty five year old woman from Kansas City. Missouri and Miss Barnett had never been well. She'd suffered from chronic constipation and aggravated bilious attacks. Since childhood until she had Dr Hazards Fasting Treatment. She also had debilitating melancholy a- resulting in mild suicidal tendencies. Now I know the word melancholy but I've never heard that before melancholy. Ah You're the man for depression on K. One hundred years ago but according to Dr Hazard on the second week of her fast Mrs Barnet's mental state improved greatly and by the third week. She was writing along cheerful note to her daughter. Something she had done years on the forty third day Dr Hazzard said hunger manifested itself. And Mrs Barnet's tongue showed clean on the forty fourth day so this was a term that hazard used showed clean so once people started fasting. They would show her their tongue and when the fast could end was when she declared that the tongue was clean. Green is an uncoated. I don't know I mean you can on code it by brushing it right so I dunno just seems like Gobbledygook really but anyway. She said that they waited until the morning of the forty sixth day so three more days and started back with some bean broth and when Mrs Barnett Left Seattle. She'd completely recovered both mentally and physically. So she's telling him a story of success. Yeah now if the sisters thought that it was odd that the doctor did no physical exams and asked no questions about their health that didn't say so and since the Sanitarium and allowance still wasn't ready. The sisters were put up in an apartment in Seattle and then in the next few days sisters heard more about Dr Hazards Miracle Treatment. She told them about a boy she had treated in nineteen zero five named Edward Anderson. Edward was just seventeen when a doctor told his mother that there was no hope he was dying. His mother contacted the fasting specialist and she found the boy suffering from inflammatory rheumatism. He'd been bedridden for five weeks and his left arm wrist and hand were swollen his ankles and other joints were inflamed. His face was flushed in his breathing was labored so Edward was immediately. Put on a fast Dr Hazard. Besides the boy and gave him internal Beth that is animus to eliminate toxic matter from the lower bow amazingly within an hour. He was better as he got stronger. The amount of food he was given was slowly increased. Edward was a miracle because he'd been told he's going to die and his savior was Dr Hazard. She had saved him from certain death. So this impressed the sisters boy. Yeah this kid is near death. She brought him back so even though the sanitarium wasn't ready for them yet they were thrilled to have the fasting specialist carrying for them. They visited the doctor's office five days a week for consults and their apartment was a lot less fancy than they were used to but it was clean and adequate and every day. They asked each other if that would be the day when they would be cured because they knew it was just a matter of time. And they were gonNA feel great world. You're listening to Dr Hazard. And they're really convinced by her own. So in the beginning Dora was just going along with the treatment to police her sister but then as time passed she too became convinced that this treatment was going to work. I mean it's really all they had time to think about do. There was nothing else to do there and it was almost as if the doctor had hypnotized them so Dr Hazards treatment was referred to as the beautiful treatment and she promised both of the sisters perfect health if they just followed the fast but from early on at the Seattle apartment. Both sisters started fainting daily. It became so common that no one seemed to think it was a big deal. Dora heard clear fall in the kitchen but she was to weaken lightheaded to get up. Go to her so people did come to the apartment but it was no one who the sisters new before these were people who were sent over by Dr Hazard. One young nurse named Sarah Robinson cared for them for a while but as soon as she could. She came up with an excuse and left for another job. Another visitor to the sisters was a friend of the doctor was a young friendly guy named James Watson Webb and James would come by with books on spiritualism and the sisters drifted in and out of consciousness he would just read passages aloud to them. So what's happening with these two is they're getting more dehydrated the not eating their fasting but there getting some fluids but they're also getting the enemies so their net is. I mean besides losing weight from lack of calories. They're losing water because they're taking in less water than they're giving out certain. Take long for them to feel weak no so they began sleeping away. Most of their days and walking finally became really hard for them. Without fainting they were actually given analysts of six courts of warm water as they curled up in the fetal position in the bathtub and at the beginning of the fast the animas only took about half an hour but then as days pass the length of time increased and became this horrible experience. That would last three to four hours. Sometimes longer after Dora fainted in the middle of one of her animas canvas material was stretched over the edges of the top like a Hammock to support. Her Winkler. Did dare to complain. Dr Hazard insisted that without the Ternal Bath. They would not achieve their desired results. So even though this doctor hazard was only about ten years older than the sisters she seemed to just have this amazing authority over them then. They would do whatever she said. Basically shooed promised them right. But there's also this thing about doctors were people kind of think they know everything some people and they'll do whatever they're told me that does exist. Yeah well you're also getting to the point where they're weak enough that they can't really resist. Do Anything Yeah. I think that was the plan. And the technique to just keep weakening them and then you can start taking over things more and more as they can't really speak up for themselves right so the apartment was weren't soundproof. And neighbors could hear disturbing noises coming from the Williamson sister's apartment. They sounded like they're in real pain distress and whenever they saw the sisters they were just totally shocked by their appearance. They had these dark lines around their mouths. Their Eyes were sunken into their head. Their hands were so bony that they look just like thin skin over the knuckles and hand. Bones Claire Smell disturbed the neighbors because her lips were so thin they no longer covered or teeth so she's walking around with a permanent grimace on her face. Is that horrific? I mean at this point. The sisters couldn't even make it to the doctor's office and she was coming to the apartment to do what she called her osteopathic manipulations but according to the nurses who saw these. The doctor would slam her fists on the girl's thighs stomachs backs even their heads and she beat on their torsos which had less muscle and fat on them as time went by and they got intern thinner so these girls became pretty helpless. Pretty quickly Hersher did so in one nurse clear. Corrigan said to the doctor that the treatment seemed harsh. She said non sets. It helps the circulation. Clara the doctor talking to an older nurse about a patient who had died at the Allala sanitarium and she talked about her. She had done the autopsy herself and complain that she didn't have a large enough container to hold the remains and the nurse. Her doctor hazard say that she would need to get a larger kettle for the remains and this was quite shocking to the nurses. You can imagine right. No kidding so Clara. The nurse told a friend about the Williamson sisters shocking condition. She said their skin was so tight over their abdomens that it was his heart as like a wooden chair and she would try and get the sisters to take more broth or fruit juice but they insisted that they needed to follow Dr Hazards Instructions. So they could have perfect health dorey was given a teaspoon of orange juice every hour and then each sister was given tomato or asparagus broth twice a day and the whole idea was that these were pure and they were grown there but nothing was grown there the vegetables that they boiled in meat broth from were from cans. But you know the sisters have no idea at this point. They're pretty totally dependent. They need nurses to bathe them and even help them walk from their bed to a chair. They're just getting weaker and weaker. Yes it's just horrific now. A neighbor told one of the nurses that she had never heard. The sisters used the kitchen and the nurse explained that they would not eat. By mid-march. Dr Hazard was starting to ask the sisters about their finances. She would ask some questions such as who is in charge of the finances and who managed the money and stuff when they told her that they took care of their own finances. The doctor told them that they shouldn't be thinking about or talking about money as it would negatively affect their treatment so that's not even subtle but they had total trust in her at seems and after about two months in the Seattle apartment. Dr Hazard told the sisters that she wanted to store their valuables for them. She said she had a safe in her office. And I guess they totally trusted her because they agreed. Dr Hazard also took their land deeds their cash and she even removed some of the rings from their fingers. 'cause you know they're so thin now the rings will just fall on and fall off anyway. Yeah so was Claire. Who Lost the most weight and appeared to be the weaker of the two sisters but then Dora started showing signs of mental weakness and confusion. Her mind began to wander in confusion and she just drifted in and out of being conscious and that would be the dehydration absolutely by later April. Clear endure re put on stretchers to be taken to the Alaa Sanitarium -tarian by ambulance so the sanitarium is up and running actually had been but they were in Seattle so they waited in two separate ambulances wrapped in blankets. Because they're always cold and while they were waiting. Doctor has brought her attorney. John Arthur to Claire. He was preparing. Kat assaulted her will at the attorneys direction. Claire wrote a letter to her longtime nurse and friend Margaret Conway in Brunswick Victoria Australia. Yes so the sisters were carried into the hazard home through the back door and on the right side of the house. There was salmon lenders room and inside of that there was a little bathroom. They went down a hallway where there was a narrow staircase leading to an unfinished attic and at one end was clair's room was just a small sleeping area with a window. And then there was a wooden divider setup outside the landing and that's where doors bed was set up so they're paying to go to this country spa type of deal choose and she's just putting them up in her attic. Your but you know at this point there. Too weak to argue a really say anything. Plus Dr Hazard always had an answer. It seems yeah There were still following her right along. Yeah so the day after the sisters got to allow. Sam showed up declares bedside. He said his wife thought it was a good idea for him to come and assist them with any correspondence that they needed to have done. Dora was still out of it. The clearest strong enough entrusting enough to see his visit as a genuine offer of help and once they were settled in Allowuah. Dr Hazard insisted the Clarin Dora were to be kept apart. The nurses were told that the system is needed to focus all their attention on their treatments. If they did speak to one another they would be distracted and distraction could impede their recovery so she already seems to have kind of an ammo here like she's done it before they seems like there's a real plan here right. She's just taking more and more control moving them up into an attic where they're no neighbors like there. Were at the apartment building right. So there's really no witnesses and then not even letting them be with each other so it's much easier to brainwash someone when they have no contact with anyone but you and you're the one telling him everything or your roof lake. You're in solitary confinement. Right and Dora was told that Claire was too weak to see any visitors including her at the same time. Clare was told that Dora had become completely insane. So this terrified Claire. Dr Hazzard said that once the poisons left Dora's body her mind could heal but of course neither sister knew what had been told to the other one so she's playing a game here then one afternoon when the house seemed quiet. Dora did push yourself onto the floor and crawl declares bed and she would say that. Claire looked like a skeleton. She was just shocked but Claire was just terrified when she saw. Dora told her she had to leave his. They'd be in trouble if they were seen together. So it's just ridiculous. They seem to have given over all their power to this woman. I mean it's still to me when I read through this to mazing the gut to this point without starting against suspicious but I guess they just believe so thoroughly in Dr Hazard that they weren't going to question anything I don't know it's all it's kind of cult-like really it is. Isn't it like she thinks she's the all powerful one and her patient seemed to believe it too? She did so Margaret Conway. This is the woman who is the governess nanny. Whatever you WANNA call her for the the two sisters. She was in Melbourne with her sisters. When she received a letter written by Clare and Margaret had never married she had been hired by the Williamson family to care for Dora when she was a one year old just before she arrived in England doors younger sister. Gertrude was born Garry Trudeau sickly from the beginning and at age three. She died from scarlet. Fever and Claire was born shortly thereafter. Their father died while Claire was still a baby. And as you said their mother died when they were teens When that happened Claire was afraid of most everything with time. She outgrew shyness and she had Margaret to thank for it because of the death of their parents. Margaret was more important than clear and doors lives than she would have been otherwise yet. I mean she really was like a mother to these sisters. She was he from Early Childhood. They had a little nickname for. They called her tutti sweet. Yeah so that. Winter letters came to Margaret in Australia from Claire Andorra and they wrote to her about their relatives in California and that they plan to return to British Columbia for short time and then sail for England and Australia. But they didn't say anything to Margaret About Seattle or Ola or Dr. Linda hazzard nothing. They're keeping that a secret from everyone. But then on April thirtieth nineteen eleven a cable Graham arrived for Margaret and it read come s. Maroma may eight first-class Claire. So it's just a few words. Margaret didn't make much of it at first but the more she thought it over she realized it was really an odd request from Claire so one week later she took the union steamship companies S. S. Marama to go to Claire and Dora and the more she thought about the cable. The more certain she was that the girls needed her. You know she called them the girls. They were really like her own children to her so she felt like they needed her help. So that's a strong feeling to get from just to censor to insurers bur. No Judas essentially raised them yes. She knew knew them. So well. Margaret had to step in Hawaii honor trip and on May twenty third. She received a letter that had been written by Claire that was dated may second saw about three weeks. Yeah so the return address was in the care of a person. Margaret had never heard of before and that was Linda Hazzard Ola kitsap county Washington USA. The letter was clear handwriting but it was much less neat than usual and her sentences seemed to run together. Margaret was beginning to freak out a bit after that because Claire was an educated young woman who knew how to write a hell of a letter. But this letter. That just didn't seem quite right. Went on for an entire page and in it. Clear road about Lyndon Sam Hazard and what remarkable people they were. She told Margaret about fasting treatment to at this point and Margaret had never heard of this before but she was Kinda used to the sisters seeking out. These health fads near the letter mention at the hazards were building cabins for them had allowed. La. They were GonNa have front porches where they could sleep outside in the fresh night. Air Clarice Margaret to keep an open mind about the local people in their views. So after arriving in Vancouver Margaret was met by Sam Hazard Sam said he had reserved to rooms at a nearby hotel and after they slept for the night he would ride with her on the four hour boat trip to Seattle then once in Seattle. They'd take a launch to allow la. Sam seemed like a real gentleman to Margaret. But then he told her that Claire was dead and Dora was insane and he said it just very matter of fact. So Margaret was shocked. Of course she took the boat in the launch to allow with him the next day but he hardly said anything to her. He didn't express any sympathy or concern. It's just like any other day. So he was definitely a cold man and certainly was rosemary to Linda. True true story so once they arrived in Allah Margaret met Linda. She was definitely an Abrasive woman and she explained that the sisters had come to her either for a cure or to die but she said they were too far. Gone to be saved by treatment she explained Clears Oregon's have been dried out and hardened she also explained that she had done the autopsy and she had embalmed class body but when Margaret saw the body. It didn't look like Claire. In fact it was a different person. Claire had been so skeletal that Linda Hazzard didn't want anyone to see the condition of her body but she insisted that the embalmed body was clear. Right and what's Margaret GonNa say? She's kind of been a serving all her life in. This woman is very intimidating and plus. She's heartbroken like her daughter she's lost. She's devastated now one thing. She couldn't believe that they had told her also was the door was insane. Dora had never shown any problems mentally when she was finally allowed to go out to Doris. Cabinet Allala. She couldn't believe how Dora looked now. Dora and Claire had been moved out to little cabins on the property which were really pretty dumpy and these are wealthy women who are paying a lot of money but I mean that's the least of the problems here because Dora was skin and bones and her skin just had a bluish hue and her voice was also very horse in week and much of that beautiful thick auburn hair. She'd had had fallen out so she just looked like hell. Now Ed for his door big Margaret to take her away but she was still somewhat under the power of Dr Hazard so she was afraid to go against her and she was in deep grief over. Clarence Death Claire had been her last living immediate family member and the tour extremely close now. Margaret had always followed the plan so the wealthy people she served but in this case. She made a quick decision that she would have to make decisions for door to save her life. Yeah that's a really kind of a fun. Part of the story is Margaret Conway. And how she became so much more confident and assertive because she had to deal with. This made her a stronger person. Which I find interesting because she was definitely a repressed situation or your Early nineteen hundreds yet wasn't good not for women. No not at all so Dora and Clair's uncle John. Herbert received a cable from Dr Hazard on. May Twenty. Second with this really harsh message. Your niece Claire Williamson is dead. Would you like to come to Seattle and attend the funeral on Thursday? Dora is with me now. You have to remember here. The last job heard from his nieces was just a couple months ago. In March and everything it sounded fine. He believed that Clara. Dora were supposed to be traveling to Europe in Australia. And he had no idea why they'd gone to Seattle so John went there and when he met Linda Hazzard. She told him that. Clara died on. May Twenty first and she showed him the same body that she would show Margaret so he to didn't believe it was clear but she told him that Claire had died of cirrhosis of the liver and she even showed him some small dry out organs that she claimed were Clair's because she did autopsies on site there and he was disgusted. She had these organs wrapped in an old cloth inside her office. Euch in course he really didn't have any medical knowledge but these were just it was ridiculous. These dried out hardened organs so-called who knows what it was whatever. Yeah so concerning Dora. Linda Hazzard told John that she was insane and was beyond being saved. She took him to see her and he was both shocked and heartbroken by her condition. Dora and John were told. The door was in no condition to travel. I that Dora had decided to live out the rest of her life in a Laleh. Then both sisters would be cremated and their ashes buried there so this is crazy. Yeah I mean these are two young healthy women and she's acting like this was a hospice or something so salmon. Linda lead John Herbert into the dining room. Where Sam showed him a document and this was two sheets of paper and Sam told him that Claire had written it. It was addressed to her relations and friends and it was dated back on April. Twenty Third Sam explained that the first part had been written by Clare but then she had become too tired to continue drafting it by herself so she hadn't signed it and he explained that Claire had dictated part of it to him and then he promised he would look for the original which he claimed had been signed by Claire. So very vague weird stories going on here in John. Herbert wasn't an idiot. He was actually businessman so he knew a little something about documents and this document basically cleared the doctor of any responsibility and claim that all of their financials were handled because Claire knew of her death a week before she died and Sam told John Herbert the John Arthur in Seattle was a good friend to the sisters and he was there attorney who was handling everything yes so before. Herbert Leifer is home in Portland Oregon. He stopped at the Attorney's office. The attorney was friendly with Herbert and said that he was handling all their affairs. The whole situation was just so shocking to John. Herbert he also believed that. Dora was quite lucid and nine insane. She is just heartbroken over her sister's death and she was obviously physically unwell right. But one thing. I don't understand why he left wrote. I don't know I mean. Was he just believing everything he was told and I guess. Daura told him that she wanted to be there. I don't know I just can't imagine leaving her in that situation but he did so endorse assign nurse. Left Ola in June Margaret Conway insisted that she was going to take over. Doris Care and Dr Hazard did reluctantly agree. Dora was only allowed two meals a day of broth. Water and a tiny serving of mashed vegetables. Margaret tried to get her to eat more than the two meals. Dora refused the idea that she must not eat more than these two meals. A day just seemed ingrained in her by Dr Hazard and the doctor had talked about it so much that she just seemed to accept it as true. Margaret had tried to add cream or butter into doors. Broths to give her some more calories but at this point her stomach couldn't handle it and she would vomited up and then when she got inside. The main house found documents that Dora had given power of attorney to Sam Hazard. She stuck it in her pocket and took it to door. Andorra said I don't know what that is your remembered that Sam hazarded told her that she was too ill to draw checks herself and that if she gave him power of attorney he could handle anything she wanted done. Says she hadn't been far too trusting even though you of course she was misled. Dora and Margaret soon found. More people were showing. The hazards had taken hundreds of dollars from Doris accounts without her consent. So Dora Margaret wrote letters to the bank but for some reason they never heard back from the bank and it turned out that the hazard squirt mailing. Dora's letters and they'd had the mailbox at Allala locked so that Margaret couldn't collect the mail so during your stay Margaret also saw hazard and some other staff wearing glares clothing. So that's really creepy. Dora recalled to Margaret the couple days. After Clair's death. Linda hazzard opened up her trunks. The tiny bedwar Claire had died was covered with her gowns and dresses and other personal items. Dora could hear noise and laughter coming from the Attic Room. But she didn't know what was going on until Dr Hazard showed up hazard tried on evening dresses and showed herself to door her dead sister's clothing and whatever thinks she didn't want has you gave to some of the staff. It's just an amazing sisters getting worse and worse isn't it? Yeah but one. Fortunately Margaret ran into the mail carrier and asked if there was anything for door her. She was surprised to be given to envelopes because they hadn't gotten any meal in weeks and the day she happens to ask. They have two letters her so a former nurse of Dora. And Claire. Return to Allala to warn Margaret. That door needed to leave or soon. She'd be dead too and this was Sarah Robinson. The young nurse who had left earlier the only reason she returned was because she was worried about. Dora and her conscience had really gotten to her so she pulled Margaret Aside to talk to her and she told her about something that had happened in the spring of nineteen ten and this was when the doctor called her to assist in the care of another patient. It was the case of a man named Erdman and he had starved to death. Earl Edward Erdman had been a civil engineer who came to Seattle after working on a project on the Columbia River. He had complaints of indigestion and after seeing multiple doctors he hadn't gotten any relief so he decided to try Dr Hazard and he went to see her at her downtown office after three weeks without food getting the daily Animas and being massaged by the fasting specialist. This twenty four year old man was just wasted away. Friend ordered an ambulance to take him to the city hospital but doctors there decided the only way to possibly save him would be a blood transfusion but he died before he could get the transfusion. But Sarah had been one of his nurses and she said she'd never forget it. She could count his ribs. His eyes were sunken so much that he looked like an old man and she didn't want the same thing to happen to Dora. March Twenty Ninth Nineteen Ten Seattle Daily Times headline was woman. Md The MD's parentheses kills another patient. He and I think the only way that Url Erdman got into the paper was because he'd been transferred to a hospital. I mean if you died on her land people probably really wouldn't have known but still there wasn't anything done. The county coroner claimed. He was powerless to intervene. He called it one of many cases which came up frequently and highlighted the need for more stringent laws in regard to so-called doctors chiller. It's true words. I don't know how powerless he was though who chose to be powerless. Well on the day after that. She was back in the newspaper because she was immediately vindicated. And the headline was Dr Hazard gets license. So coincidentally the day after Earl Erdman died. The State Board of Medical Examiners announced that the fasting specialist was legally entitled to Practice Twenty eight others. Were also granted medical licenses and these doctors practiced hot air therapy. Mcconnell therapy and electro therapeutics maybe ever heard of those those things argus Sir if things. They're not therapeutic things now so there was just a whole rise of quacks because there was nothing being done well. This is just a continuation of the state of affairs. Right right so it's it's not. All of a sudden it happened is how it was. Things have changed obviously since then. Yeah so Margaret was unable to convince Dr Hazard to let her take door away and finally she snuck off and sent a cable to doors uncle John Herbert and then in July the traveled back to allow La and the hazards told him. They weren't going to release door to him. They insisted that she had signed over her care to them. Finally he was able to convince the hazards to releases niece and the only way to save her from them was to pay them a lot of money and Linda. Hazzard said this was her normal charge for services rendered. She said she was a healer and she could charge whatever she wanted so Linda. Hazzard had given clair's diary to Margaret Conway. But before she left with John Herbert Dora she was asking for the diary Beck. Margaret pretended not to know where it was but she was keeping it because she thought there must be something in there that the doctor is worried about and in the diary there was something she read the suspicious entry from Friday may nineteenth. That would be right before Claire had died so the entry praised Linda Hazard but the sentence that really caught Margaret's attention was this. My diamonds shall go to Dr Hazard. That Claire gave to me and at my death shall go to Dora if she is alive so the wording and the sentence suggested that Claire hadn't written the entry at all. She wouldn't call herself Claire. Right unless you wouldn't the handwriting didn't look like hearse. And plus it's already laying the groundwork for Dora being dead sure is if she is alive right. He added usually say that about someone in their thirties. No so Dora was carried away from doctor had sued sanitarium on the morning of July. Twenty second it had been fifty two days. Since Margaret's arrival at Ala Dora had spent nearly a hundred days at the sanitarium and as she was loaded onto the learn to Seattle people looked at her in horror nets when they first heard the locals nickname for Dr Hazards Place. Starvation Heights. Yes so one of the amazing and upsetting things about this whole story is that people knew the locals had actually grown use to the starving people most of them women at starvation heights which I guess was originally wilderness heights but women were seen crawling to the road into town like skeletons begging for food or a ride into town and they really looked like pictures of people in Nazi. Concentration camps Margaret remembered that if she pressed doors abdomen she could feel her vertebrae her backbones so when she finally left. Dora weighed fifty pounds. Just amazing that she was even alive. Sure is fifty pounds. Mustn't half of her typical wait. Yes she started out at about one hundred and ten pounds which is already slender so just horrific so working with the nearby British Vice Consul Lucian. Gacy's Johnny Herbert was able to find Linda hazards connection to the deaths of other people. He learned that she had actually been starving people and stealing their money for years they had even taken the gold fillings from the corpses and sold them to a local dentist. Go this is just getting more and more gruesome. Yeah I mean it's really great. It's the greed knows no bounds. It's just amazing. So there is also the case of Eugene Stanley Waco and he died from a gunshot to the head when he was on the hazards property in nineteen nine. It's not known. If Linda Hazzard was so in a shot and killed him he had come from New Zealand to take the fast cure and he allegedly shot himself now. When suspicious part of the story is that they didn't find his decomposed body for three weeks after his death and this was despite. Dr Hazard Doing Daily Treatments on them. So something's not right there. It's a big chink in the chain who lives. I think that's more than just something suspicious. I think that's evidence. Yes it is so Margaret Conway had changed into this much more assertive person since being around Dr Hazard. So she firmly told a gossips that Dr Hazard and had imprisoned the sisters and stolen their money. She had also forged in cash their personal checks. She had taken their jewelry. Much of family heirlooms her guardianship over. Dora was another crime. She had gained control of the sisters money and take just as much as she could. So if Margaret or their uncle John had not shown up Dora would definitely have been dead. Two there's no doubt mean if no one had showed up for the sisters they would have just died. All their money would be gone and nobody would know any better. That's right so an arrest warrant was obtained and Lynda Bird field hazard was charged with the wilful murder of British heiress. Claire Williamson the complaint stated that Claire had been intentionally starved to death. Then on August fifteenth. Dr Hazard was arrested and the trial began the following January nurses and other staff testified about the starvation of the sisters the hours-long Animus the painful massages. The prosecution called the financial crimes financial starvation and the evidence for that included letters fraudulent documents and forged checks they were insinuation at the Butterfield. Mortuary was working with the hazards and that they had switched. Clair's body with a healthy looking body. So no one would know how skeletal Claire was when she died though in her book. Fasting for the cure for disease hazard road death in the fast never results from the deprivation of food but it is the inevitable consequence of vitality sap to the last degree by organic imperfection in other words. If a patient died during the fast they already had something that was gonNa Kill Them Anyway. Win Win Situation. Right for her. It is right but just like many quacks who are still around today. Linda said that she was persecuted by conventional medicine for using her more natural methods gets in. There were others in the natural health field who supported her Henry as tanner. A doctor who had fasted publicly for forty days in eighteen. Eighty offered to testify for Dr Hazard but the jury in hazards trial wasn't buying into her claims of being persecuted and they returned with a verdict of guilty of manslaughter and she was sentenced to twenty years of hard labor and her medical license was revoked. But it's just infuriating that she served only two years two years. And why was it even manslaughter? Why wasn't it murder? Her Dunno seemed like she got away with a hell of a lot whom she yes paint. It gets worse six months after she returned to Seattle. The governor granted her a pardon with the condition that she leave America so she moved to New Zealand where she had a lot of supporters and over the next several years she lived in Auckland and had two suites of offices in New Zealand. Insurance buildings and business was really good for her in New Zealand. She even had another book published. Diet in disease and systemic cleansing then in nineteen twenty. She was allowed to return to allow and what they did was they rebuilt and she called her business a school for health. Which I guess was some kind of loophole because she didn't have a medical license anymore but in New Zealand she and Sam had been so financially successful that they were able to resume ownership of starvation heights and even build the sanitarium of her dreams so even though she wasn't allowed to practice medicine. She was still identifying herself as a physician. Still doing the same kind of stuff. She was nowhere. People weren't keep an eye on this good question. So Linden Sam Hazard became involved with the allow. A school and they awarded academic scholarships and they respected for that even despite one of their scholarship checks bouncing no-expenses-spared on the sanitarium it became famous locally. And Outta town is visited and at the time. It seemed that no one had anything bad to say about Dr Hazard back. She never did become a law-abiding citizen in April. Nineteen twenty two. She took over the care of a patient in Los Angeles and she was arrested for violating California's Medical Practice Act. That is practicing medicine without a license then three years later she is arrested again for the same thing in connection with the death of a man named Leonard Ritter Ritter has sold his farm to pay for treatment at the School of Health and after an eighty four day fest. His weight went from one hundred. Sixty eight pounds to one hundred pounds and he died so for this. She was convicted received. No jail sentence and was fined. One hundred dollars you kidding me. I know right and this is years later after. She had killed Claire. So the hazards were continuing to supervise fast. Allala all the way until nineteen thirty five three years after that Linda Hazzard gave herself the fasting treatment for some illness she had and she died. So a lot of people have said maybe that justice but it really isn't Earth Perner Karma Karma but certainly not enough. She's still got away for years with these things repeatedly. Yeah where we go like. Well obviously no respect for human life right an incredible Hubris and incredible greed. Your store those. Yeah it's really difficult for me to understand how her patients continued to believe in her even as they were dying from this treatment very cult like really a strange power over these people. But you know there are still quacks out there. It's not as bad now. But there are plenty of people who will believe in false unscientific. Claims in one example is people who have incurable illnesses. Like cancers in resort to some so called natural method. It's it's a bit easier to understand if it's someone who's tried everything and there's no hope and they're just desperate for a cure or something to just extend their lives little more difficult to understand people like the Williamson sisters who would just Kinda there on a lark really but really bought into it and there are some people who still believe in fasting and there are these breathe Iranians who think they can survive on air and sunlight group work with that but there are some valid studies of like you know an intermittent fasting or taking fewer calories can give you better health and weight loss. But that's totally different. That is I mean. We're not talking about no caloric intake anything like that. And there are a host of studies that this show reducing calorie intake and achieving weight loss without significant weight loss can be beneficial well. And that's what we all want but it's so hard not to eat where here it is now. There are still people quacks for one of a better word that they're getting away with taking advantage of desperate where. Nice people and as one example. That's the Brzezinski case. Yeah that is a big example. That's a really unbelievable thing. He's been involved in cancer. Quackery since the nineteen seventies. This guy left. Baylor University set up his own private practice and manufacturing facility or he makes an administers his ANP's which he calls Anti Neo Plasti- Mrs anticancer drugs. They turned out to be mostly modified amino acids and peptides so they really did nothing now. I mean they're not going to hurt anything but they're not GONNA do anything that they do heard is. Some people put off real treatment to do that. Sure and then it really does. 'cause a Lotta harm. Yeah and not only that. He wasn't doing this for altruistic reasons. He is charging huge amounts of money charging desperate cancer patients that people have terminal cancers and. He's just soaking him down. Yeah the Texas Medical Board and the FDA have been trying to shut him down for years but they've only had some small temporary successes. There's been a lot written about him and it's fascinating but also infuriating but it's definitely something worth reading about if you're interested but I do think these Williamson sisters did have some responsibility for what happened to them just some. It's really not their fault. It's Dr Hazards fought. Let's be real but then there are also many people who let them down. Who could have helped out? I mean the one obvious. One is the State Licensing Board. But you've also got the nurses the funeral home The whole community of allow. Who saw what was going on the governor for whatever crazy reason who pardoned her and the coroner who didn't do anything said his hands were tied. I'd even say the post office. Let them down because they let the doctor intercept letters from the sisters and I'm sure other patients as well so there's definitely a lesson to be learned here. Don't you think I mean? Do you think part of it could be just that people in general have a poor understanding of science because I mean you see it. Everywhere drugstores all kinds of so-called cures. Most of them are harmless but a lot of them. Aren't you know there's still too many people that are skeptical of science or don't believe in scient- yeah which is crazy so our sources for this episode are some magazine? Articles Online magazine articles. One is the doctor who starved her patience to death by best love joy and that's Smithsonian MAG DOT COM from October of twenty fourteen also from science based medicine in December twenty. Sixteen an article by Harriet Hall titled Natural Medicine Starvation and murder. The story of Linda Hazzard. Another interesting thing on the side like I mentioned is this Dr Brzezinski and I read a great article about him and it's titled Personalized Gene Targeted. Cancer therapy can he do what he claimed? For Cancer by David Gorski. That was written back. In December of twenty eleven and then a big source was starvation heights a book written by Greg Olsen Beck in nineteen ninety seven. Now that gave us a lot of our details. Tcp's music was written and produced by Tristen Capelle. And I'll just take a minute here for some housekeeping issues are Bir Review contest is winding down. And we'll be announcing a winner in May so it's not too late to entry Silva couple weeks. All you need to do is record yourself reviewing a beer. 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I just received my bottle opener and all my guy not only is it beautiful but it is so well made it is just so classy looking in I'd love it. Love the stickers of it love it love it in a love listening to you guys so much There is a case that happened here. Close to Fort Worth Christina Morris in twenty fourteen went missing after being out with friends and Plano. In shops legacies shops in Plano. She was having drinks with friends. She left one of the guys and guess she knew him very well said he would walk her to her car. His name is in a rookie. Rotc HI and she is Christina Morris so this was two thousand fourteen and anyway they did not end up finding her remains until twenty eighteen. I think he's been charged with the murder. But this was a big deal here in Fort Worth. She was from Fort. 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M. in two thousand sixteen a Roach E was convicted of aggravated kidnapping and this was based on closed circuit. Tv footage cellphone data and DNA evidence. Her DNA was in the trunk of his car so he was sentenced to life in prison for that. So That's interesting for kidnapping but not for murder. Because they never found her. They hadn't found her two years later in two thousand eighteen. They did find her remains. Okay so that's the sequence said. Does that mean that they would then prosecute him for murder now? Don't think so. I mean they might but be sentenced to life in prison. So what else they're going to do but his life mead life though because sometimes it doesn't well so that might be a different thing they'd Resentenced him okay. You life in prison without parole. That's definitely worth taking a closer look at sunset could get suggestion. Yeah that's where I picked it. I thought good okay so we have an email from Lisa. With a case suggestion we do lease is quite succinct. 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proposal phase right now so proposal phase means basically companies the nasa and they propose something to nasa or nasa is proposing to congress and saying hey we need x amount of millions of dollars because we need to go to the moon again we need all this stuff that will get us to the moon and then you know we need x amount of millions of dollars to do it a billion dollars whatever they're gonna take from so the fact that it's in the proposal stage in twenty twenty four is one they're gonna go it's twenty nineteen this halfway through twenty nineteen now we have five years if the lunar lander is in the proposal face now they have around five years to make a lunar lander now that being said blue origin jeff visas company already has a lunar lander they have built in blue moon is the name of it and this is might be part of the proposal so there might be a lunar lander goes down to the moon and ferries people back and forth should be a lunar gateway which would be really interesting so if blue origins blue moon can actually do that then it's already done in the proposal from nasa is just like okay we're gonna propose that we used a blue moon in we send people to and from the moon with that thing i mean x amount of dollars to pay blue origin to use their craft that's it you know it doesn't have the nasa doesn't have to make their own lander biggest private companies do it now which is great like that's what we need we need that 'em so that being said if it's in the proposal stage they may be looking for money maybe looking for money from congress and then gnp nine eighty nine said how many humans are planted go on the rocket will they set up a permanent lunar base deal ryan crew module is designed for astronauts instruments astronaut on deep space missions are twenty twenty four mission to the moon there'll be two astronauts said alex flanagan okay so this is where it gets weird your ryan crew module holds for people the spacex dragon capsule holds seven people why not use the spacex module it's not quite ready for a deep space yet they didn't plan while the crew dragon built for deep space but it's not quite ready yet or ryan is specifically built from moon and mars missions so it goes through all the phase is all the planning phase is of everything that needs to be done from the hall to worthy astronaut sit basically what these instruments are all that stuff with designed from the beginning to be a lunar module true dragon is a crew module where they can serious people from earth to the giants like that's their major thing right now that's how they're gonna make a bunch of money from it so it's designed for that first if it's going to be a mission module they have to kind of wrap put up a little bit after beef it up in they will do that overtime but you know something like you're dragging breaking all seven people imagine sending seven people to like how cool would that be a bunch of people like a like a small bus it's like people in a van people in a van in fairness to the moon so that's pretty cool for astronaut neil ryan crew module would be pretty cool to because usually we get you know we we get to people going to the moon at once been there done that you know why haven't we got better technology since then because we already know this stuff in the way they do it again then just to do the same thing again in once they do the same thing and then they can build on that they could go okay we got to people there we don't wanna basically we don't wanna kill for people if the mission goes wrong if to if it horribly wrong to people you know his life but it's for astronauts loser lived in these missions it's way worse than to people so that's why they gonna do to people they begin with if they wanna test it they wanna make sure it works works andy wanna make sure that it's okay to land on the moon again we know how to do it so will send these two people that the first woman to step foot on the moon in the next step foot on the moon and then they'll do their tests they'll do everything they said everything's gotta go in the next people give up and more than likely you know a couple of missions down the line there'll be for people in that module there'll be testing it for people and then for people go to the moon at the same time so the blue origin blue moon hold for people that can make ferry for people at once down to the surface how cool would it be if we should know ryan capsule to the lunar orbit her end transfer them from their you know it's basically admitting space station so they go hang out at the space station you know do whatever they dock and they you're ready to go under the moon's surface they do the project would surface for people land for people get out of the lander how crazy is that then they go set up camp you know wherever they're gonna be doing their project where's it gonna be doing the works in the thing about that is that you could send a bunch of people up there once you don't have to just into leading some for people and then another orion capsule could go up and have eight twelve people up there once pretty quickly 'em so that's that's gonna be really interesting to see how it all pans out if they're gonna work on only two people for awhile how long they're gonna do the two people thing so salty marmot fifty eight nineteen said what's the best thing about a ryan compared to other alternatives and we got this basic stuff you ever get to the moon and beyond requires a team or ryan is specifically designed as a human rated deep space vehicle that could withstand the tough deep space environment it'll go through oh ryan will take her instrument astronaut to the leader of a city bus successful exploration requires commercial partners at will deliver other important elements involved with exploration such as the lunar gateway you know they're also working on not just the lunar gateway they're working on rovers and they're working on you know people some make moon base so it's not just rovers in this orion capsule is gonna ferry people to and from the moon but commercial partners will be working on technology to get them there whether it be part of their spacesuit you know maybe somebody makes boots you know and i'm just throwing these things out there i'm not sure exactly what the commercial partners will be making at this point there there are some will be making a parts for upcoming missions and they don't have them handy with me but i do know that they have always use commercial partners to send people to the since day one man says been eighty a hope for commercial partners to make money from the government and also to send people to be a booth there were times so the crew systems integration leads for or ryan said we've got to safety systems integration of the design that are different than other spacecraft it's a capsule can no longer hold their pressure we've device and approached it will allow astronaut so they've inside a spacesuit up just six days enough time to return home from some lunar orbit it will be unpleasant but it will keep cruel lived in otherwise deadly situation in addition we have a more robust radiation shelter kip capability built into the hearts of the capsule that is designed to protect the crew and high solar particle events while all space trap provide some radiation protection around designed for protection beyond the van ellen bells yeah that's crazy man that's crazy this thing it's like that's what i was saying before it's human rated furlong spaceflights like the iss isn't that long it takes you know they go right up there it doesn't take long at all but this takes a couple of days skits and fly up to run over to the the transfer station basically 'em but yeah if something happens they have they have these things in place which is really great a let's see what's the next one out is a person go about trying to be an astronaut i'm really interested if they just sound like you're here it is a if you're interested you wanna be an astronaut you check that out to find a way the chat on everything at once i also have to get some new icons for my followers here on twitch have my old ones which is pretty cool but i gotta we gotta figure figure that one out that's pretty cool back there again how much additional g force with a human undergo during a real ascent abort you wouldn't blackout from the airport would you a bad wins guide the capsule to land recovery how much damage what happened versus a water landing that's pretty cool so these things that are important when you start out with these kind of projects right so you gotta figure out like okay if something does go what do i do in my people be safe and nasa went on to say the worst scenario for about four seconds astronomical experienced approximately fourteen jeez just make caused a blackout put a board is a fit her is fully automated so if they do blackout for a few moments nothing will happen to them what the heck fourteen jeez that's crazy for four seconds to get hit with fourteen jeez you'll pass out like there's no you just have to let you whatever you're not gonna fight that a category one which included parachutes we've done a land in the crew measurable was unharmed in addition all drop tests done ron land main reason for water landing is it a cushion landing more landing on land with your ryan parachutes survivable in fact arraigned conceivably laid with two of its three parachutes on land crews safety is a priority arraigned design which is why you see redundancy like this just alex flanagan that's crazy the thing is really beefed up for m g for a very tough vehicle so this one is pretty pretty funny hey jacob how's it going spacex is proven the liability and affordability of recycling rockets the technology has been around since the nineties why hasn't nasa invested in its own reusable rocket 'em nasa has invested in reusable rockets through space x basically that's what they said they're investing in their private partners so they can continue sending people into space here is my twitch twitch channel i'm just miss out tonight this is just the test for my twitch channel and i'm just kind of messing around with a so if you have twitch go check it out so there you go that's just foray a quick quick look at my new office a not audio i don't believe i think it's video only yeah i was i was talking to be a an admin couple of days ago and they said oh yeah streaming audio is fine so i'm good to go a let's see here let's see i'm gonna scrawled on the words they actually answered what can the average person do to promote space travel a you had you had great info on another show about this stuff oh thanks man appreciate that a what could ever do person do to promote space travel nasa said it's a great question if they are already aware tell people about nasa social media accounts the follow them for information about all the space program by the way yeah follow every nasa program that you like which is pretty awesome like all their social media is really cool and you could see some really cool stuff and i follow all of them in you get like i get overwhelmed by so much stuff like all this stuff on the nasa channels i follow pretty much every nasa a social media channel some kind of have a crossover some don't but there are places where you know there's basically just tons and tons of stuff sometimes it does crossover but there are tons and tons of things that go on in i might switch by stream over to my youtube channel and a second just because 'cause i wanna test it so i'm gonna stop my twitch channel so i wanna wanna test my youtuber stream to give me one second to do that ever again and then i'm gonna switch over to my youtube channel which i believe there should just works let's do this let's see what happens let's see if my youtube channel actually works yeah thanks for hanging out guys by the way it's really fun just do this in hang up let me see here i think my let me let me try this there we go okay so you to should be good all right let me look it up for you just so you have actual channel here is it works let's see do do do do yeah thanks for hanging out while i'm doing this to be extreme should go let me let me do one more thing of x dp i in paris go hello periscope youtubers still being weird but here's the periscope channel this might mean nothing about the users periscope but there's periscope channel if you're interested you are thank you for checking that out to chicken which i don't know why you choose being weird recommended one twentyfive that's weird that's really weird so anyway this nasa thing out and about in the book has dude how clear both houses by the way i'm just saying that's a pretty cool deliver on so what i usually do as i do periscope andrei do twist at the same time to to restrict or a youtuber the same type through restricting but for some reason it's not working out quite well we'll see a youtuber underway just checking it out making sure that everything's good but it seems to be okay you to is we got here there you go that's a long one for you right that seems to be working fine so basically gonna go back to the topic of a space and stuff the memphis that follows all their social media channels i can't really list amount because that's a lot of channels tillis down if i were to do a list of all nasa social media channels periscopes working sweet thanks jimmy in that would take forever forever definable and i'm pretty sure you know nasa probably hasn't somewhere say deceptive looking look adam or look for them somewhere got a nasa oregon a spot the station dot nasa dot gov is one of which is really cool somebody said washing the nasa tv stream the launch of bore systems seemed to fire sooner than he announcer expected it to what's that a nominal one of are requirements says nasa but he sent a port to task was to initiate ford motor when the maximum aerodynamic pressures humidity yesterday caused the vehicle hit maximum pressure sooner than anticipated everything worked as a supposed postive cool so everything's good everything's good with your ryan spacecraft so far and somebody asked hey it's bug bite fourteen to after this hey i'm working are currently studying mathematics and was curious if there's a need for mathematicians and miss and if so what do you need us for a nasa says absolutely there are many opportunities for math majors in the industry you could be involved research helping the two right algorithms analyzing huge amounts of data signal processing cetera there's a long list of what you could do with math degree so you just have to determine what interests you so yeah man if you're a mathematician there's no better place to work the nasa how cool is it totally cool but what kind of stepping stowed would that be if you don't decide does work at nasa forever like if you wanna go and ask for a little bit and then go someplace else how cool is that on you're resin me like that's the coolest thing any reza me one of the best things you could ever have any rasmi is oh yeah i worked at nasa so anybody who the who the mathematician petition out there in his wondering if now is a good place where you go for it even if you're not a mathematician seriously nasa could use anybody they have a place where everybody they do a lot of different things it's not just you don't you don't have to be a nerd or anything like that in order to work at nasa you could work and ask you could do something like i like you could just talk to people that would be a great thing to do it now so they have people at nasa so that are broadcasters and they teach people stuff so that's part of the thing you know they're science communicators they have to talk to people in spread the message of science to people so yeah that's what would be really cool right like that's a really really cool job dream job i would say so you know sometimes you know you could you could look at the things i've looked into a bunch of dream jobs my life like i know a lot of things at us passionate about a lot of things and i'm really happy about in another stepping stone in my life another achievement in my life would be the work at nassar work with nasa i work with him a little bit through this podcast it work with them a i'm basically a journalist talk to him you know and work with their their media outlets so like that's a pretty cool thing i don't get any money for it like nasa doesn't pay me for it but how cool is that did i get invited to 'em like press things like even if it's just a call it like that so freaking coolest thing ever just saying i cannot complain can't complain nothing to complain about their thanks for that follow appreciate it yeah and if you like stuff like this if you like space science and tech stuff make sure to follow the channel because they do it every single day my doing it more live on youtube now to which i'm really stoked about doing it more on twitch do like the singer says the tests and i i wasn't sure if i wanna do it or not so i'm kind of leaning towards giving youtuber going because you chew and i'm just gonna be honest with you got you to makes me personally more money than whichever it is a twitch made a little bit when i was playing games on it but you to continuously makes money and i don't do this from us like furry i don't do this money i do this because i love the do it if i did it for money 'em i would be broke i do it for a living this this is what i do i do this and the regular podcast reliving but they don't make enough to let's see don't make enough to thrive i guess you know like how how some people are like oh yeah i make you know like joe rogan get somebody like that makes a million downloads per episode of whatever and then five hundred thousand views to a million views on youtube holy crap it's making bank but yeah give make enough money to survive do something you love that's why you need to teach me 'em just do it man like that it's like anything else if you're passionate about it and if you really love it go for it just cranking out get so much content out there good quality content that nobody can deny you what you orange so me i kind of looked into this i did this because i was passionate about it and i wanna have fun doing i was a web developer refer fifteen years something like that in fortunately from me i had a really good job last year and i put a little bit of money away and then at the end of last year like i'm just concerned this see what happens if i could make enough money to survive that's all i need shoestring budget like this might just make right here it is it's it's because of patriotic patrons it's because my ads you that's why i got that kind of stuff i had my gaming pc for my other job so that works after the stream so that's great but the fact that you know if if you wanna do doing something you love just go for it you know do it whenever you can however you can make great episodes work on it you know work on your technique after each of you talk about stuff i'm just a dude literally like dude i've just just like everybody else i just happened to have a passion for everything that i'm doing job ending taking a chance yeah dude totally jimmy yeah that's that's what it was it was my job was coming to a close my contract was up in like you know what i'm going for it thanks mason appreciate it man i will follow this fall this through in november there's going to be eight launch from a nasa in florida spacex launch and i'm going to go to it because why pf not it's one of the things that i've been dreaming about since i was a little kid i used to this literally isolating in orlando and i never went to a rocket launch never went to a shuttle launch never would any of that stuff so why wouldn't do it now it's gonna cost a lot of money in because i'm doing this for you know a little bit a little bit of cash and how much a i i asked you don't like hey if you like the show make sure the you know make sure the hit me up on patriotic or even just watch videos listen to the podcast you'll podcast really helps like every single at the plays on the podcast makes me like just a little bit of money which will help the gas when did you get there and you know that kind stuff so that's pretty much all i ask from anybody oh you saw launch in orlando nice that's cool man that's cool yeah you still lives ashley not in orlando do i lifted a pop i just say oh orlando because it's closer like everyone knows where orlando is so you know i it was close but he never got the chance to go down there which is silly like that's just dumb it looked at west palm beach you know that's a little bit further away but i could have made the drive i made the dry from tampa from west palm so i could have made it from west palm down to speeds coast in seeing a rocket launched but i didn't know is one of those things relative to invest it in my career and doing other things so you know it just didn't do it but now is the time my it's well got nothing to lose nothing to lose so yeah the the fact that like all this stuff's kind of happening what's really great is all sort of coming together a let's see mess a let's see one second here let me go back to the nasa thread has lockheed martin designed built any components that will be used in the mission on the moon if so you have dreams of it blew the starlink okay let me let me answer this question real quick let's give it a startling for a second so heads lockheed martin made anything that's going to be used on the actual surface of the moon nasa said nashes nasa is mission to the moon are currently in the proposal fades several companies working through their proposals right now lockheed at the prime contractor on a ryan of course they're always the contract the stuff they were ryan vehicle will be used to take astronauts to the lunar gateway he says alex flint again now spacex is startling constellation starlink is he space satellite constellation a bunch of satellites in space will be leaving internet from the sky to a pizza box size piece of hardware highspeed super high speed internet for rural areas you might be able to get it in cities in a congested areas but they're gonna be focusing on rural areas to begin with and they're they're going to work on a you know getting bigger and better so starlink there's thousands satellites little kind of like briefcase science satellites that will be be me this internet in their kind of cluttering up the sky now spacex has been working with strong numbers in professionals to kind of shields the satellites so you can't really see them when they to buy because when the low like they all start pretty low and then they shoot themselves up into a higher orbit you could see them from the ground you could see them if they fly overhead 'em you could look on a what is this thing called it's star one star walk the apps are walk you could look on it in you can see where the spacex consolation is 'em but you know something like you know you're if you have a telescope in your backyard in you're trying to do some astro photography where you're out in the desert somewhere and you're trying to photograph jupiter in hunter satellites fly over your head at once big swath of satellites blanket the sky where you're taking the photo where you take the video everyone's you're shot the ruins everything and that's just a very brief recap what's gonna do it's called star watch justice star walk to is the newest one i believe that's the one i use star watch i have it on i o s i believe it's available on android as well so yeah so these constantly this constellation of satellites will locked out a big portion of the sky if they don't have been improperly oriented properly when they're in orbit and they're working hard to get the satellites to a place where they won't be able to be seen now that's gotta be tough because there's a lot of them in the other you know right now there's really not a waste of kind of judge how many will be seen at once because there's only there's only sixty right now something like that i can't remember exactly the the number of somewhere on there but it's it's a decent amount right now so imagine if there's twelve thousand or twenty thousand of them and they ship it up in orbit twenty thousand satellites flying overhead not all at once they're gonna be space depart of course but it's still like you'll see when jim over you could see big satellites in orbit if you look up you know if it's a dark knight and there's no interference no caused or anything you could see satellites you gotta go to a dark sky you know go to someplace where there's no street lights the city lights a lay down a a blank he showed a well i just look up you'll see little tiny dots moving every once in a while to move across the sky then you'll notice that lesbians they're not blinking like a like an aircraft in their kind of small and they go like one trajectory they don't have blinky lights or anything just one solid light like one little white dot and it goes across the sky very faint a lot more very faint but if it's really dark you could see them pretty well once you guys get adjusted to now if there's a thousand of those going across once you know one right after another in the same orbit possibly that's gonna be a weird weird things in this guy could that's never happened before in human history oh yeah that's man it's amazing the just recently i checked out sponsor station from nasa a search for that by the way if you wanna look for the space station search for a spot the station and you can see where stations are when the season's she's gonna fly over your head is pretty amazing but there's people out there don't even think to the space station still things i've talked talked to a couple of people in like oh that's still up there and like yeah where what do you think happened to it they're like oh we thought it you know we thought it'd be orbited or whatever or blew up or you know burnt up or whatever like no no no they still work on it it's just that the new doesn't care anymore so it's unfortunate that thing kind of happens but that's what i'm here for it they help people that are interested in those kind of thing even if they're not interested oh i insist detector for android that's cool off the check that out whatever it's brio us but yeah people that are interested or or or just have like a very basic interest in like science and tech you know maybe maybe somebody is gonna be out there that would be interested in this kind of stuff so yeah that's that's why we do this kind of thing that's what you have these jets that's my run you to ban raw so on a her scope and every place else right now to so i'm really pumped for doing really well on these platforms in specially on live cast man this is great i love this place so i'm a big fan big big fan and i'm working on more live show those could do it last night and then i was like man this is the fourth of july 'cause i got all this stuff done yesterday like all this stuff behind me you can't see it on the radio show of course run the live show but on the video on youtube you can see it's like there's this little in their holding up that's a studio stuff behind me but i'm working on getting it properly posted up just kind of like figuring out as i go what the big deal is you know what they a house should be putting like there's a spot right over here to my left said i should definitely puts more pads on some more to stick treatments and you know some more or suffer the studio but that's just kind of one of those things it's gonna happen over time now let's go back to some nason is i'd these conversations you have to like open conversations and i like when you guys ask questions so you have any questions make sure to let me know and also a if you haven't followed in europe like these kind of conversations make sure the fallacy get notifications when i go live so you can come in here and chat and hang out is it possible at the future for nasa to collaborate with other private organizations also attempted go to the moon and mars i eat nasa and spacex working together nasa said plans for returning to the moon do include partnering with private organizations for example the lunar gateway the gate lander using commercial rockets alliance gateway components logistical support and then somebody said underneath a nice comment was you guys are just dead set on his gateway boondoggle which i think the gateway is a weird thing i think it's really cool and i think there's specific thing is they could do with that they wouldn't be able to do if they just launched people to them the gateway is a way for us to have a presence near the moon at all times the gateway is basically a space station at orbits the man in the gateway will harbor people on their way to the moon in from the moved back to earth is experiments that'll be done there to help astronauts lives in works on the surface so the gateway support and it's a weird thing and it's kinda strange that you know nasa is really pushing for it they know the importance of us working on new projects that have never been done before for so i think it's really important that they get this done but it's also like we've never done that before we've only sent people to the moon we vote if we had lunar orbiters rain as astronauts are done litter surface they doc with a ship in orbit and then he lost back to earth cool now we're gonna have a permanent but this is really cool so we could have people working up there for an extended amount of time as opposed to just one moon mission at a time so that's really interesting i'm pretty pumped about that i know go onto the next one which is let me get here what the vehicle being ejected be violent what would you expect to go through physically i could imagine european incredibly brutal experienced the city orion capsule on the board scenario the indy orion capsule is the one that's gotta be sending for about four seconds astronauts will experience approximately fourteen jeez astronaut seats and restraining systems were designed with this in mind though that is a lot of forced astronaut fulfill it is what's necessary in nereo wendy abort system needs to get them away from the space launch system as quickly as possible the space launch system rocket is huge huge let's see a comparison let's see how big this thing's gonna be in comparison looking it up there's a comparison the thing here there is okay space launch system and so it's a block one ninety eight one ninety eight point one meters tall falcon heavy which is a spacex is big rocket right now seventy meters tall so it's gonna be ninety eight when one meters twenty eight point one meters bigger than the falcon heavy that's a huge rocket the new glenn which is blue origins rocket just gets bigger than against the us a this is what's blocked one by the way new glenn is ninety nine meters see black one as the lessons ninety eight point one point nine meters bigger damn celeste uss are in one rocket though is bigger than me and so that's blocked one saturn five is bigger than that which is a hundred and ten meters ending sls blocked to cargo is a hundred and eleven point three meters they're all very close and then spacex the bf are hunter niki meters huge huge rocket the biggest the biggest rocket only the best yeah so it's absolutely immense humongous humongous rocket so yeah it's it's gonna be gigantic launch system so the answer is when they go into the moon something were to happen so something worked a break if something were to go weird on the launch they need to get away from that thing it's part of it starts blowing up on its way out of the launch system on its way out of earth something has trigger sensors so launch these people pull away from the rockets so they don't get hurt right so if the if the rocket explodes if something happens if if one of the boosters malfunctions in the sensors pick it up and they got the sensors go alert of crap we gotta get these guys away from here and then they they launch these people the way from the rocket for four seconds they'll be in fourteen geez it's fourteen times the normal gravity that's on her in the blackout the you can't resist that fourteen jeeves and it's gonna happen instantaneously so you won't even really know what's gonna happen may get some alert like a a a degenerate alarm real quick and then you're gonna get popped out of their rocket then they're gonna blackout they're not gonna they're not gonna be awake you know definitely gonna blackout lando yeah it's kind of like you're right 'em you can't fight it it's just gonna happen so that's pretty cool though man in when you they're gonna come to it's all automated system their escape system is all automated so when they do blackouts they'll come to you know be safely landed on the surface but parachutes that's the plan you know that's the whole plan is like hey man it's like what is he fighter just the dudes poll either you know you their crotch around yet their head they pulled that you jackson thing right but this gonna do it automatically sometime this it's gonna it's gonna work on its own they astronaut don't have to do anything 'cause they won't be able to have the time they do oh you've been space and science your whole life yours that's awesome good could get get yeah same here man i've been interested in this stuff since since i was born i think you know ever since i was a little kid i've always been into this kind of stuff really cool a high team thanks for doing this this is another question for nasa tim pip doesn't and pip don't squeak ass high team thanks for doing this in for your hard work on this project where do you went to speak difficulties but the test flight hosea ryan support system differ from prior spacecraft a nasa said he sent a port to tests what's conducted successfully yesterday in rain incorporates a launch system works at some polls the caps away from the rocket using engines at the top of the lds this pulsars amount of rain utilizes heritage design firm apollo's launch escape system so basically they're using old tech from apollo from the sixties seventies 'em which you know it works if it works don't you don't need anything else appall system can deliver the trust and speed needed to run the powerful sls rocket and get the crew safety in the event of an emergency during much or ryan's lds eliminates on what a mess on the way to the moon they jettison entire l e s when it is no longer needed every successful in safe launch so basically 'em these astronauts going to a are going to be very very safe it's just launch a sudden the worst planet right so what you're saying is look that up by the way i i want the sound cool i just looked it up said as a direct playing on the far outer reaches of the solar system sudden is a solar system body that is one of the most distant bodies found in our solar system i've heard of it but i wasn't familiar with it a object close the first of the sun is far greater than pluto's distance away from earth in a spot where the sun is so tiny according to nasa you could blotted out without him it's that far away i think the ufo's navy's reporting on fox news in the hours of people see a lot of weird things you know and i know navy pilots her 'em in you know people are trained to see specific things you know we see we see jets all the time we see satellites it's all the time we see weird anomaly sometimes you know i was i was literally driving down the highway near my house driving to the store and then i saw bright flashlight in this guy knows like that's not normal and i also saw in i don't believe in ufo's they don't believe they okay so why would ufo's aliens come to her stupid little plant right why would they come to our planet probe us why would they keep it a secret why is this a big you know why is it all the big secret that's the thing that i don't get just say like she man were here that's it is possible that some of the future and if that's the case one of those people say he were here just come out like come forward and say hey hey were here were from the future we can help you you wanna get messed up okay these things you could do not mess it up but if their future travelers that'll ruin the timeline the the time line that were in right now if the future travelers comeback and they say okay let's diverge this path around right now we do this other thing so the panther run now it's changed what is that the right path if the future travelers comeback year it change the future what is that supposed to be the time if the future travelers come back and change it is that the way it's supposed to be does that make the future travelers because they changed the timeline or the future travelers never come into existence because they changed the time what happens when they give the train are timeline it's a training the difference onto another track where does it go where does it end up the future people might be in i i'm just saying hypothetically time travel we don't know if it exists according to her physics right now possibly we could go back in time it's already happened so there's a time line but future hasn't happened yet so we they don't know what's going on in that so i'm just saying the tape pathetically what is the future people come back you steer us in a direction that will destroy the world right future hasn't happened and yet so we don't even know who these people are what happens when when future people tell us or when they when they meet are leaders why would they meet the leaders made dear leader like that was the nineteen fifties trophy whatever nineteen forties leader get they just be like hey were really highly advanced were gonna make her presence known you don't need the hide behind the shadows of all these governments you know the leaders yeah landed on the white house lawn land on the kremlin's you know these things have been happening aliens in spacecraft has been happening forever there's been a i believe there's been quote sightings of them in the bible you know what people think are aliens but it's you know it think about this when did aliens quote aliens the ones that we know of now become a thing is it only after science fiction movie started that when people started seeing aliens instead of reporting them is it after i got stuck in their heads at these little green men in these shiny robots come to attack us do it in how crazy is that shouldn't be there on this gigantic heavy or but the spinning around it vast amounts of speed orbiting the sun it'll be have a moon it's orbiting us and we don't feel it we don't feel any of it it's just what it is like we we know it happens but it's just so huge such a huge thought that we don't really realize it at all times like you don't walk outside you're like whoa you're at the spin in you know yeah innocent orbits yeah exactly were all orbiting orbiting the center of the galaxy everything is wall spinning around the galaxy and then the galaxy there's other galaxies out there there's other galaxies have billions of planets there's billions of planets out there billions of stars we do we only know about a certain amount of because we haven't even checked him out we haven't even seen numbers are with their instruments so if you wanna blue you're damn mind just look up in the sky at night every star but you see has planets around it probably this imaginary certainly is he has five plants even to plants around it just you planets that could possibly harbor life now what i'm saying that there's no ufo's out there i think ufo's the ones that people thinker ufo's people you know i think they got they have something wrong with their heads but i'm not saying that it's not possible you gotta keep it open you gotta keep it up and even though i i can't say say that there's no such thing as a creator because even though i don't believe that there's you know a a christian god or any sort of god like that you don't know what happened before the big bang we don't know we can't look back that far be observable beginning of our universe is in observable like pass that that's it that's it jimmy a planet for every human yeah that'd be sweet a western star trek jimmy that's awesome yeah man watch somebody enterprise but that sweet intro music it's been a row the worst star trek music ever worst star trek music that's all i gotta say but it's a great show help on jimmy enjoy star trek great yeah that's gonna be in your head for like three days now big of a reality being a type of holographic universe model 'em you only thing i can think about that may do is if i think are are universe is a polygraph when when did that the idea of how the crash start becoming a thing it's possible i'm never gonna say something's not possible right but this highly grafting it's pretty recent because people are like oh hologram sure thing now maybe you're universes allographs my dog just wine is one buddy you know so yeah the idea that you know it's a polygraph is pretty recent in it's only because we have the technology of like holograms and e r and things like that the people were like oh by the way could this be how are we not here is this all the weird thing is some other alien species with better technology are we like the dem's are we a computer are we a game just somebody because people please freaking video games all the time myself included how cool would it be if there were if you were controlling the universe that's all it is is people were like oh cool i gotta universe simulator now that's what people think so those kind of things or or weird are weird a idea what's up brandon to how you doing man biologically simulated right yeah run the cast box right now to brandon brandon a were checking out the livestream over there so welcome to the show brendan appreciate it first this is the first live show that i've actually done on them on you to put my came running a while so they protect it out so if we do have a simulated universe if it is a video game when did that start like wednesday idea of a video game come on it's because all of us my age were brought up on video games come out doesn't make any sense there you go there's a link for you buddy we it's because we only know what you know about video games like how cool would it be like you could just control all these people because we all play those games like you know like the sims reserve red alert ersan command cocker games where you could build a civilization you know when we were kids so in adult now so i still play them but it's like that's where we that's where the idea came from i think that's where the idea came from consciousness is still a mystery until we crack a complete we can't prove anything yeah exactly we can't prove it a hunter percent i agree and it's a friend and by the way that's only audio on cast box it's just it's a regular podcast is alive cast if you wanna see my beautiful fades among youtuber 'em so the also here's the here's a live for you to if anybody's interested checking that out i'm gonna be doing that every night to a youtuber end on cass box in on periscope every day because i think it's cool be on you to i just made the school studio and you know i might as well use it right missile using i've got a camera whatever i got the light here that brings up my seats makes me look really good cool thanks man yeah so the fact that all these weird things happen like how a graph hologram okay new technology or near like we've seen that in in the movies right we've seen it in shows hologram video game it's technology were scared of technology so what if we are technology people are like okay we're gonna were gonna make things worse river used to so we don't be is so were not as weirded out by it basically runners weirded out by something the were familiar with you know what a fucking being controlled by something interview game how cool would that be would suck it would suck i'd be part of video game what a breakout this thing oh we don't have yard in vr is awesome but i don't have any they are set up quite yet i plan on getting what eventually but they're kind of expensive and they don't have playstation rex box so i'd have to look it up to my pc rate break out of the matrix dude that's all you gotta do you gotta break out of the matrix 'em you know i'm gonna start so what i'm gonna do from this passport this is what i what i'm noticing right now is it on the video on my youtube channel nobody sees where you guys are saying on life cast so on my video i'm gonna make sure that everybody sees what's going on life cast so brandon if you're watching on you to anybody else's washington you to tomorrow i'll have that set up 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Vanished: Kelsey Berreth

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Vanished: Kelsey Berreth

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted reported as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime brewery. I'm Jill and I'm Dick. Young mom and skilled pilot Kelsey. Berith was last seen on Thanksgiving Day. Day Two thousand eighteen after not hearing from her daughter for over a week. Her Mother Cheryl Berith reported Kelsey missing. Authorities contacted Kelsey. Fiance Patrick Frizzy. But he said the two had recently broken up as the search for Kelsey began. Police investigated Frasier and learned about another woman in his life. Crystal Lee Kenny. The story eventually told by Kenny exposed. A MONTHS-LONG PLOT leading up to a horrific crime mm-hmm join us at the quiet and today for a closer look into the disappearance of twenty nine year old. Kelsey Barra the details of this crime along with its is planning and its cover up has left her family heartbroken in many of us wondering if there is any true justice for Kelsey so this is a Colorado case. Of course I have a Colorado Beer but when I chose today is Maharaja from Avery Brewing Company in Boulder it's Serb big old IP A and. This isn't the first time that we've been drinking avery. No we've had some other evers okay but this is this is the IP Ta said. Mary nice wind amber coloured beer big huge head very sticky lacy appearance a nice aroma of Malt. Some some floral hops some herbal hops and the taste is mostly pine let a hobby pine taste and a little bit of bread very nice big Big Big hoppy beer. I don't know what this says about me. But whenever you say big big head and sticky lace there's some kind of sexual nece to it. Well you must have a mind that works that way. I guess I'm in the Gutter. Well let's open it up and give it a try. We will okay. It's twenty twenty. Let's go down to the quiet end for our first podcast of the year here. First of the year quiet end looks quiet just getting ready. Okay why don't you go ahead and start our story. I will. So it was Kelsey. Mom Cheryl contacted the police to report. Kelsey missing MRS on December. Second two thousand Eighteen Cheryl hadn't spoken to. Her daughter are in over a week. Kelsey infant daughter Kayleigh had been in the custody of her father and Kelsey Fiance Patrick swayze since Thanksgiving giving day and I wasn't like Kelsey to be out of touch without explanation right so right away alarm bells were ringing. Yeah this just isn't the Kelsey now. Oh very responsible. Smart Young Woman and Kelsey actually grew up on a farm in Washington state. She had a younger brother Clinton and loved. Horses is and she always had dreams of becoming a commercial pilot according to her mother and she she went to aviation school in Washington and then began working professionally as a flight instructor. So I'm very impressed by that. Yes pretty cool and everybody can do that in two thousand sixteen. She met Patrick swayze in on an online dating site. Type of thing yeah. She moved to Colorado to be near him so things heated up pretty quickly. Yes she really liked. Kim She thought he was a keeper and he could be the one group her list. She was well enough into him that she made a big move right. Yeah that shows something doesn't it. I mean and you have to be fairly committed to do that when we think frazee worked and lived on his mother's ranch where he trained cattle dogs and he also worked safari her. Now for those of you. Who Don't know like me? A farrier is a specialist in equine hoof care includes the trimming and balancing of horses hooves. WHO's and putting shoes on their hooves? Right and NASHES horses. I guess donkeys as well. He had a friend with donkey's who he is to take care of. Their hooves chargers officer who Friday I think so. So Kelsey worked. As a flight instructor at Falcon Air Force Base before she accepted the position. DOSS aviation Russian in Pueblo Colorado. Her boss Daas said that Kelsey was diligent and committed she commuted from her condo in Woodland Park to her job in Pueblo. Blow several days a week. People who flew with her remembered her as a very positive force in their lives and a someone that they could really trust when her students graduated graduated. They left some glowing reviews of her large knowledge base and her very helpful teaching techniques so she was really well regarded there so it seems and she had moved into her own condo in the town of Woodland Park and that's not far from phrase's ranch. The two became engaged and they had a baby girl in the fall of two thousand seventeen. They named her Kaley crazy. Seemed happy to be a father and seemed to take good care of Keighley but calcium calcium. Patrick didn't live together however in Kelsey family felt the relationship was a good one. The parents shared custody making plans to be together as a family. We at some point right so I kind of see right from the beginning here. A lack of commitment on his part that they weren't living together after they had a baby. Seems a little little strange to me. Yeah if you're co-parenting and you're engaged to be married. Why wouldn't you live together right? So that's just kind of a red flag that I noticed noticed right away and the beginning of this story. You're was it more. His decision not live together. Well we don't know you know. Her mother had said it was financial. He'll things which I think it was mostly him because he was the one who had financial problems which will get into. But let's go ahead and talk a little bit about the missing missing persons report and what I happened. Okay so the first police officer who showed up to do a welfare check on Kelsey was Corporal Beth Huber and Ed after entering information into the local and national databases. She contacted Patrick swayze so right away. They're going to contact the fiance well. Of course frizzy claimed that the last time he had seen Kelsey was Thanksgiving Day. That was November. Twenty second when they had exchanged custody of Keighley in the alley behind Chelsea's condo a frizzy said their romantic relationship was over during the the custody exchange. She returned items that belonged to Kelsey this included her handgun. Somehow Munition Car Keys House keys and some other personal items right so so custody. Exchange in the alley is another weird thing here. Yeah and also saying that their relationship was over nobody else knew of that UH and there was no evidence to show that and will notice that when we look at their conversations around this time Chelsea's family reported to police that it was highly unusual for her her to go away without telling anyone her mom Cheryl had spoken to Kelsey twice on the phone on November twenty second and two her Kelsey seemed like her normal. Happy yourself she talked excitedly about the upcoming Christmas holiday with Kaley. What kind of presence? They would have for stuff like that then after talking to her mom Kelsey Chelsea went shopping with Kaley. She was caught on video surveillance at a Safeway store and Woodland Park and she entered the store at twelve. Oh five everything looks. It's normal and exited the Safeway at twelve twenty seven pm and this would also be verified by receipts from the store so after leaving the store door Kelsey sent frasier text and she offered to make him a sweet potato casserole. That doesn't really sound like someone who's broken up. Her sure doesn't sounds like a good relationship. Yeah at least one that she's you know invested in for sure right then between twelve fifty four and when seventeen eighteen that same day frazee was captured on a Walmart surveillance camera at the Woodland Park Walmart. He had a baby carrier with a blanket that looked like the blankets. Seen with Kelsey and Kaley at the Safeway Okay we couldn't be seen but it's probable issues with frizzy because he had the carrier. Sure I think that's a pretty safe assumption. But Kelsey wasn't seen again after Thanksgiving Day even though her cellphone continued to send messages on November. Twenty four th Cheryl got a text from Chelsea's phone saying that she would call her later but then Kelsey never called her. The next day there was a text from Chelsea's phone to her supervisor at doss aviation it said she was planning to take a trip and would be away for a week. There were also messages to Patrick. swayze eight on the twenty four th at four. PM FRAC- sent a text to calcium phone. Saying if this is truly what you want respect your wishes and give you space the leave you alone now. Then the next day there was a text from Chelsea's phone to phrase's phone saying do you even love me. And he answered that text swith. Why would I bend over backwards and stand by you through everything if I didn't so the answer to your question is yes I do so so after about a week of not hearing from her daughter Cheryl Berith called free just to see you know what's going on? Frasier told Cheryl that he and Kelsey Elsie had an argument in calcium. Broken up with him and giving Kaley to him he suggested to share Kelsey may have flown somewhere with a CO worker. But Kelsey hadn't told Cheryl better trip or breaking up with Razi so mom Cheryl is getting more and more concerned and that's when she called the voice so at the welfare check of Chelsea's Condo. Her keys in purse were gone but both of her cars were parked outside. They didn't find any signs of foul. Oh play on this visit but her makeup in toothbrush. Were still in the bathroom and there were some mostly uneaten cinnamon rolls sitting on the stove. There was also also a candle on a warmer nearby in the heat was up higher than usual so these are all very strange things. She wouldn't leave for a trip without her makeup makeup in her toothbrush. Leaving food on the counter were turning the thermostat down right so by this time ten days had passed since Kelsey she had last been seen. Remember Cheryl got a text from Kelsey but we don't believe that that last one was from Kelsey because she was already missing right. Your impression is that it's doctored. Kind of thing. Yeah just to throw people off right and even Cheryl would say that. The texting wasn't like her daughters texting. So there were some red flags right away on the whole thing. There was a press conference held on December four and the case was still being treated as. There's a missing persons case. Police announced that Kelsey phone had pinged on a tower in gooding Idaho on November twenty fifth. This was a long way from aware. CALC- lived I think it was eight hundred. Two thousand miles so Cheryl spoke about her daughter being a reliable person and she asked for help in locating eating her but notably. Patrick Frasier did not attend this press conference and of course everybody noticed that or sure. So December sixth. which is there's two weeks after Kelsey had last been seen Cheryl and Clinton Berith? We're staying at Kelsey. Scandal Clinton was cleaning the Condo and he noticed a blood that spot on the toilet bowl though crime scene analysts from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation went to the Condo and confirmed that the spot was in fact led chemical is used on the rest of the bathroom and they're tested positive for blood pretty much all over the room toilet bathtub towel racks door handle floor floor walls even the ceiling. So that's very alarming. It sure has someone had worked to try and remove all the blood but there. It was a residue that had been left behind Cheryl. Berith also told police that had Beth raccoons missing from the bathroom so these are all bad signs us. Don't look good do they eh now. So December thirteenth police obtained a search warrant for phrase's cattle ranch and during the search by La Bleach and a swiffer mop were found which tested positive for blood. They also found documented oldest of five people who could provide medical care for Kalian his absence this was dated December. Twelve two thousand eighteen and Kelce. His name was not on that list. Right that's strange there. They I found it strange. I mean they really took that to mean that he knew Kelsey was gone right. Yeah proves why. Wouldn't you have the mother of the Child on the world exactly exactly and why was the list even created at that point. I'm not sure. Yeah but it was alarming. The whole thing so phrase he was Kinda trying to set setup stories about Kelsey. That weren't true kind of presenting her as an unstable person yet. He told people that he knew Kelsey. L. C. had substance abuse issues and. She sometimes just took off on her own. He also said that she had left before and checked into Rehab then he suggested suggested that she might have even be suicidal. Her Gun was missing from our home. A FRAC- city had taken the gun from her before because he is afraid shoot hurt herself right now. There were no records of her ever being in Rehab or having a drinking issue I would think for one thing if you go into Rehab for substance abuse. You're not going to be a flight instructor unless you're under strict supervision for that. You're probably not right now. There was a time awhile back where if she had gone to like a weekend. Retreat for therapy and you know for being anxious but nothing about substance abuse and nothing about being suicidal. Police searched through cell phone communication records between Kelsey and Patrick phases cellphone. Frazee had reported that he was in cell phone contact with Kelsey through the twenty fifth of November and nothing since yes. Let's look at these records a little bit November twenty second between one am and four. Am there were ten contacts between calcium phrase's phones in one of these contacts was a four four minute phone call. That was about one. Forty a M. There were five texts between the phones on November Twenty Third One on the twenty fourth and three more on the twenty twenty fifth and there were also several calls between the two during that timeframe so the analysis of the cellphone data showed that calcium frizzy cellular phones were both connecting to the same Verizon Tower in Woodland Park at twelve thirty three. PM November twenty second when Kelsey cellphone on return to miscall from phrase -I that had come into her phone just two minutes before that then. Both phones pinged at the same towers on the evening of the twenty second doc. Id traveling in the same direction. And this according to frazee would be after they had already broken up and he had left with Kaley but this told the police that these two phones wants had been traveling together so this is a little difference of fact here right. Yes he said we were done. Were with broken up up here. We have the cellphones traveling together. Well basically it's telling them that he's being deceitful. Then on the twenty third of November both the cell phones use the same cell tower near phrase's ranch when Frasier Chelsea's phone that morning later that day. Both phones travelled together the other from his residence to area in the West before returning to his residence. So what do you think about these cell tower. Ping's I mean I know we've done other cases where they weren't completely accurate like people would be in one place and their phone would use the tower ten or twelve miles away even though there was a tower closer but from what I could read about. It seems like it's better now laying this twenty eighteen so I think that they were more believable more accurate. Well there's dead and it's also you looking at both phones kind of together. Well sure I think that's a pretty accurate way of looking at it. Not Not that one and was in one place and one was at another place right and you know this cell phone. Data plays a big role in this case huge. Certainly I think it's is one of the cases that has the most cell phone data being evidence that of anything we've ever covered because we have information you know about Kelsey and Frac- Z.. And then we're going to have a third party pretty soon right so November. Twenty fourth both Kelsey and phrase's phones use the Verizon Cell Tower near near his ranch in one to the west of the ranch at the same times. Further analysis showed that Kelsey cellphone traveled from Colorado. Oh by I seventy into Utah and I fifteen going through Salt Lake City. And then into Idaho on the evening of the twenty forth into the morning of the twenty fifth so the last activity for Kelsey phone was on the twenty fifth at five thirteen pm. But but it was coming from a tower in gooding Idaho. Now there's no way her phone in Woodland Park is going to Ping in Idaho. No now now. So the good in county. Sheriff's office searched. The area. Couldn't find the phone. Then as they're looking at phrase's phone records. They learned that frazee had been communicating with the phone with an Idaho area code very interesting. They found out that the Idaho cell number belong to a thirty thirty two year old mother of two. She's a registered nurse. Name Crystal Lee Kenny. Yes of course this is important. Why is he communicating with this person and so much and could be involved? LLOSA's opening up a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah we'll Kenny. Hit actually known as easy for about twelve of years they dated way back in two thousand six and after they broke up and he got married she married a guy named Chad Lea but according to friends and people who knew her really well. Kenny was still in love with FRAC- when she got married to Lee and she would admit that later on so Kenny and FRAC- reconnected in two thousand fifteen and that's when they began having an affair which I believe was kind of an on again off again affair in March trip twenty sixteen Kennedy said she found out she was pregnant with phrase's child and my now she's already got two children of her own with her husband so so she ended that pregnancy but she lied untold frazee. She'd had a miscarriage then. She filed for divorce from her husband in May of twenty sixteen. Definitely that divorce was related to her feelings for phrase I mean. There's no doubt in my mind about that or sure now. She continued to see Frasier easy on occasion. Even continuing after phrasing calcium baby was born. She continued to say and continue to be sexually active with them. Yes he asked. So the thing is that phrase. He never went and visited Halcion her condo. According to her friends she always went to him and it seems to be similar with his relationship with penny so he seemed to have some kind of power over these women and he was very controlling of them. I mean definitely seemed to have the upper he end in these relationships and ships. I'm not sure why maybe just because he's an abusive jerk could be yeah so F. B. I. Agents it's called Kenny and December fourteenth and interviewed her by telephone now doing the interview. She gave false information false. And misleading information information during the interview shoes ass. When the last time was she communicated with Frasier? She said she wasn't sure I she'd have to look through her phone now when pressed for an answer she said between a month in a month and a half ago but then she turned around and said well. I was at phrase's ranch on Saturday November twenty fourth two thousand eighteen. She said she had been there for about nine in the morning to five in the evening to look at a horse. She said she returned home Sunday morning after driving through the night. So it took eight hours To look at a horse. That's exactly what I was just going to ask. How how long does it take to look at a horse? I wouldn't think more than an hour wouldn't victory long. No but that's GONNA turn out to be another lie anyway. Kenny also said she had had never met Kelsey and had no idea who she was until she saw the news about Chelsea's disappearance online. But the thing is she was well aware era. That frazee had a daughter so wouldn't it be strange for her to know that he had a daughter but no nothing about the mother. I mean I could believe. Maybe she never met the mother but you think she'd at least know her name right. Yeah plus I think if you see on the news she's missing. You're going to see that connection. Although I guess she wasn't denying knowing doing at that point no but I still think it's really weird that she would spend all day with him know about his daughter and claimed to know nothing thing about the mother of his baby. I see you have a baby. Come you know yeah. Somebody gave birth to that baby now that they were call records between Frazee and Kenny on the twenty fourth of November several times seven twenty three. Am Ten forty seven am eleven eleven thirty nine am one oh six PM and five twenty one PM. Now this is when Kennedy was claiming to be at phrase's ranch so that doesn't make any sense. Why would she be calling him and talking on the phone with him issues there with him looking at horse so now we have two people who are lying to the police and the police are well aware of that? So of course they're putting this together Further analysis showed that Kenny's phone was connecting to not only tower that serviced Chelsea's residents but a specific sector of that tower on November twenty fourth. So that's is pretty strong evidence that she was around Chelsea's place that tower didn't even service phrase's ranch so this led. Investigators is to believe that Kenny was lying about being at that ranch that day. At least she had been there all day but she denied that frazee had asked her to take eight calcium's phone and destroy it. Yeah then investigators did know. Thick Kenny's phone had traveled back to Idaho on the twenty fourth and twenty fifth of November. Her phone is connected to the exact same tower and sector in a remote area of the Colorado Utah border on the morning of the twenty fifth at four thirteen thirteen. Four Sixteen and four twenty. Three A M Chelsea's phone was connected for eleven and four sixteen. The this showed the Kenny was probably probably in possession of Chelsea's phone also on her recent trip to Idaho. Kenny had been communicating with frizzy. Right after the last activity of Kelsey Song. Yeah so this is almost like a puzzle that they're putting together but it's pretty simple. Actually yeah it is. This is cell phone phone data of the towers and all that very very interesting stuff. Well tells them a lot Hertfordshire doing that. They probably wouldn't have found out otherwise which leads me to. I think were these people that stupid that you don't think they're going to be able to tell that you're texting the phones in the same place they don't know about towers and Ping's at all they don't watch enough crime shows. That could be the problem. Yeah but really I mean everybody kind of knows nowadays about about your phone's GonNa you know. Your phone is pretty much tracking you constantly. Where you are you don't even have to use it right right? So Crystalline Kenny was interviewed interviewed by FBI and CIA agents in person on December seventeenth. She said that she'd be happy to cooperate but she wanted on an attorney with her which happened. They got a lawyer. He ad saw telephone interview. She lied and her husband or ex husband would tell police that she had lied the things that she had told him where lies as well and then you know I hate to say she was kind of smart about it because I hate her but she was kind of smart and that she got an attorney and she got herself a plea deal before she would give them any information so. That's another thing to think. Think about do we really need her to tell us the information or could she have been prosecuted for bigger crimes without getting a deal. So that's just something something I'd like you to think about as we get further into this. No Kenny was living with her ex husband. Chad in Idaho with their two kids. She lied to him where she was where she had been on. November twenty fourth and Twenty Fifth I. She told him she is going to birthday. Party at a friend's house in Idaho but then she changed her story saying she's going to help her friend. Megan Move Megan lived in Idaho. Also so Kenny drove her friend. Megan Garrisons two thousand thousand. Twelve Black Volkswagen Jetta to Colorado. Megan is interviewed stated that she wanted to borrow Kenny's truck so they switched cars. She had known the candy plan to drive to Colorado but claimed not to know the reason for that right so I'm not so sure if Meghan was telling the whole truth because I think she she might have known a little more than she was saying. There was a possibility. Yeah in the December Seventeenth Interview Kenney said that phrase. He was talking about killing Kelsey for months as early as September of two thousand eighteen. He had approached Kenny with some plans to murder. Kelsey and according to Kenny frazee had told her that Kelsey was an abusive mother who had physically harmed their baby multiple times including saying that she burned. Keighley's hands with her curling iron. But there's not any evidence of any abuse by Kelsey and everyone who knew her in pretty much everyone who phrase. He thinks. It's highly unlikely now. She also told the police that between September first and November Twenty Second Frizzy had solicited her to murder Kelsey at least three times and she said she had taken some steps to do. This bird hadn't followed through. She couldn't do it or yeah. Well I guess US Frasier had told her to get a burner phone to conceal her involvement. But she hadn't done that and then he was discussing drugging Chelsea's coffee and hitting Kelsey in the head head with a metal bar but Ken had drove out to Kelsey place. She admitted to going to starbucks. And Buying Chelsea's favourite drink a caramel macchiato and taking it to Chelsea's Condo. One day. Frasier had wanted her to put Valium Ambien in the coffee to overdose Kelsey but she said she didn't put anything in the coffee. She had gone to Chelsea's door and pretended to be a friendly neighbor and had given her the coffee. Saying we'll thanks for putting my dog Beck in the yard or something like that. So according to Kenny Kelsey did take the coffee inside but she wasn't very friendly or open to Kenny. Being there and Kenny any said she hadn't put any medications in that coffee now she called it poisoning the coffee. I don't know if that would actually technically be poisoning nar. You're probably not if the purpose of it was to sedate her. Well now I think the purpose was to kill her not just sedate her it. I think they would have had a hard time. I'm doing that with Ambien and Valium for one thing. It would take an awful lot and you tasted in the coffee but you know this just aside. Thought it's not really pertinent. Either way but but she did say she did go to the Condo and she did bring her the coffee but she didn't put anything in it. Kenny then said that phrase. He was angry at her that she didn't didn't go through with it. Then he got a metal pipe and told her to go to Kelsen hitter in the head with it basically beat her death but Kenny backed out again and in return the pipe after driving out to Kelsey S Condo a second time so I do believe that she didn't want to murder anyone no I mean. The Edison coffees. One thing. Telling you your girlfriend your lover. Here's a pipe. Go Wacker in the head with it. A little tough to do. I think both are pretty tough to do. I don't really see a big difference between the two methods I guess more one is more upfront and you know bloody but either way to do that to someone I would hope would be tough for most people now crystal Kenny's friend. Megan new above frazee trying to get candidate. Kill Kelsey Kenya. Can you come to her and told her the phrase he wanted her to kill his baby. Mama Megan Story Match Kenny Story Right. So Crystal. Kenny had said that He was asking her to kill Kelsey. I Dunno she's kind of asking advice about what do I do. Because according to Megan she was upset. But I don't know why Meghan didn't call the police right then to me. That seems like a on ethical thing to do to not call the police when you hear something like that. Where would be a good idea to do that? Wouldn't it absolutely yes So beca November twenty second FRAC- called Crystalline Kenny and told her to come to Colorado He. He told her that she had a mess to clean up. And this is where the story just becomes unbelievable to me. Well she certainly knew were frizzy. He meant by that right. She did. Which is really scary? Because I would think most people if they thought that a murder had happened would be pretty freaked out and wouldn't want want to have anything to do with it where I guess you could say that this showed the amount of control that frazee had over her. Yeah I suppose it does is but does that. Excuse her I don't think so. No no especially once she gets there right well think again. In retrospect was pretty smart of her to get their plea deal. Oh absolutely so. She had told him she couldn't get to Chelsea's until November twenty four th and then when she did finally go to Kelsey she brought gloves this leach. A hairnet disposable coveralls shoe covers in a bunch of cleaning supplies cellphone records support. That phrasing Kenny head communicated on the twenty second so her story is checking out. You know this time. She did lie the first time remember she did so i. I just feel like if police hadn't called her out and found out things from these phone records she probably never would have spoken. I don't feel like it's something she wanted to do. which is really creepy right? Because if she knows that he killed the woman he was with before her. How could you ever be comfortable being with someone like that? That I mean even if you're cold blooded and junk shit about anyone but yourself wouldn't you have some concern for yourself being with such violent person. Does that make sense to you. Well it's a senseless thing anyway. I don't I don't see how she could do which she did right. I don't either so according to Kenny. Chelsea's Condo is a washing bled. When she arrived there Chelsea's body wasn't there but there was blood on curtains pillows? He'll those Chelsea's purse the walls the ceiling the floor many of our baby Kelly's things books and toys had bled on them so some some some. She's able to clean some. She had to dispose of and as she cleaned. She filled trash bags with things to get rid of and she spent hours cleaning. So so what's going through her mind at this point. Dick you're a smart guy so she's in this condo and she's cleaning up the blood of a woman on young mother. I mean. Remember Crystal Kenny's a mother of two so you think she'd have some empathy for another mother but no I guess not. And what's going through her mind is she's doing this. Yes I mean something is telling her. It's okay I know so I don't get it. I don't have any special insight into. Yeah because I don't believe that she was afraid of him and that's why she did it. If she was afraid of him. You call the police immediately. They find the blood. He's locked up. There's nothing to fear right so I just try and imagine her going through for hours cleaning this. It's just horrifies me I mean just terrific and she really cleaned and hit us not like she just gave a cursory brushoff of stuff she she. was there for hours. Yes that shows real effort to me right so she is going to say later something like she purposely left some drops of blood here and there for the police. I don't buy that for a moment. No I think this was a tough seemed to clean and you know she probably did a pretty good job because when the police first came into the welfare check they didn't notice anything Amiss S. so she did a pretty good job because usually when you hear of something like this they go in to check the place and there's either the strong smell of bleach you know or there's blood and door frame. There's usually something obvious. Yeah and even when Chelsea's mother and brother were cleaning the place they didn't didn't notice stuff right away now wasn't like an obvious thing. It was kind of fortuitous thing that they saw the blood where he saw the blood on the toilet. Yeah so here's the other thing that that gets me. She grabbed the bloody items the bags of bloody items and put them in her car and left and she went to sonic for some much and and then went out to phrase's ranch so she spent hours cleaning up. This lead fieldhouse knowing that a young woman died there a horrible death. Burke gotTA get some food. You'd choose well you know people get hungry regardless so. I don't know what to say about that. But the fact that she goes up to freeze ranch afterward shows more complicity. Listen to me. I mean that shows me. She's very complicit plus. Let's remember there was a lot of talking back and forth between these two but it was and how many the opportunities did she have to tell. The police are worn calcio something. She absolutely had the power to prevent this horrible crime from happening. Absolutely absolutely she did so she goes back to phrase's ranch spent three or four hours and then back to Chelsea's condo because she was going to send a text from Kelsey else is fun to Chelsea's mother right so she super involved where she's deep into the she's very deep into it. Yeah that's what I'm saying. I just her getting that. A plea deal doesn't settle. Well makes my stomach kind of hurt. I don't like it so it must imagine how Kelsey family and friends feel about it. It would be really hard hard to know that this woman's around after being so deeply involved and having the power to stop it and doing nothing while I remember one of the documentaries we watched judge the prosecutor was in tears. Discussing that This was a horrible horrible death and it was such a betrayal. Aw something about making a deal with the devil. Yeah so I mean if you hit someone in the head. It's difficult to kill them right. You just don't hit someone in the head with a bad and that's sit pummeled. She was hit multiple times. So it's very very violent. Yeah Breezy had told Kenny the the details to so there's another reason I just can't stand her. He used a baseball bat to kill Kelsey in the living room of her condo. He said he tight. A sweater around. Kelsey is is and was having her guests the sense of different candles and while she was blindfolded he just came up behind her and hitter in the head and he said something like he went to swinging something awful like that Noor so he was concerned that he had left one of Chelsea's teeth in the condo. He had told that to crystal Kenny because as he was bludgeoning her he had knocked several of her teeth out. And this is just heart wrenching. He destroyed this pretty young woman here. Kenny said that she did find a tooth but she had disposed of it. She told investigators that she had purposely left if traces of blood in the Condo for the police defined so they could solve the crime. I don't believe that for an instant I don't either. I think that's total horsh. It now Kayla was in the Condo when her mother was murdered. Frasier Toll Kenny. That Kaley had been inside a playpen in a bedroom. Phrase's phone was confirmed by horizon. Isan Tower to be in the location of Chelsea's home between one and four thirty in the afternoon on the twenty second yes. He'd spent a considerable amount of time. There Yup so frazee said. He first took Chelsea's body in his truck and started in a black plastic tote. He hit it at the Nash Ranch on the twenty second. The tote was lifted in a barn on top of a haystack after he has detracted lifted up high on the stack furniture. Store Surveillance Alice. Camera cut images of FRAC- traveling back and forth between Chelsea's Condo and the ranch and he later took the tote from the Nash ranch to his own ranch on the afternoon of the twenty fourth and Kenny went with frizzy to Nash Ranch to get the body so there's another thing that she was very involved. I don't mean to be a broken record but come on. She was so involved in this so when they got to freeze ranch. He put the black tote in a trough on his ranch. Along with some items from Chelsea's Condo that crystal had brought also the bat that he had used to kill Kelsey the trough was around aluminum structure. That could hold. Hold one hundred gallons and Kenny. said he used motor oil gasoline and kept adding would keep the fire hot and going. She said that he he used at least five gallons of gas burning. Chelsea's body frizzy had one and Kenny to take calcium body back to Idaho but she refused nice to do that. She said that she didn't seek Halcion's body prior to the fire because it was in the tote but then at one point as the tote was melting she saw human woman body on fire this is just surreal to me. Horrifying isn't it horrifying. Stevens said that at one point phrase's mother came out on the porch or something and saw the fire. Of course she probably didn't see what was burning. I'm not implying that but it's just horrific that they're standing there having this fire so late on the evening of November twenty fourth frizzy gave Kenny Kelsey cell. Phone and Chelsea's gun. He wanted calcium gun to be missing to encourage the idea that she'd gone off and possibly killed herself. Kenny put Chelsea's purse and its contents into the fire. Kenny admitted not using Kelsey cell phone in Woodland Park Grand Junction. Utah and Idaho and she said she was in love with Patrick and she was afraid of him now. Police record supported Kenny's new version of events. Surveillance footage was found a freezing outside of calcium condo between queen. One thirty and four thirty on the day she killed. There's also a video of him at Conoco Station filling gas container on the twenty fourth. Now frizzy he was arrested for first degree murder. On the twenty first of December even though Chelsea's body had not been found when considering a mode of the idea that Kelsey was abusing Kaley was dismissed came out frizzy had some financial issues and the motive could have been to get custody of Keighley and got out of paying child support. Yeah Frac- also had seventy two thousand dollar loan. That he was late on payments he'd been paying Kelsey seven hundred dollars a month in child support but but his last payment had been one hundred and fifty dollars short. So that shows you that. He was having difficulty Frasier and his siblings were in a legal dispute. Also over their a father's four hundred thousand dollar a state their father had just died in August of twenty eighteen so according to his brother Sean Frizzy who's the Colorado Springs police officer. He and Patrick had really been close for two to three years. They hadn't had a falling out or anything they just hadn't been close Shannon had met calcium. Kaley wants just a short time. After Kelly was born he thought Kelsey seem like a nice young lady and Kelly was adorable and he thought everything was going well so on Thanksgiving the day of the murders Sean and his wife and children went to their mother's house for dinner. They arrived at two thirty. Patrick wasn't there. According to Sean Patrick called around four thirty two cities on his way and he showed up at five o'clock with Kaley but then he spent half of that evening outside doing chores right so remember. Patrick lived there with his mother his home as well so we don't know what he was out there doing doing well. He wasn't inside with his daughter. No so phrase he told Sean. On December third that Kelsey was missing. So that's like ten days. After he said that Cheryl Gareth had contacted the police and she had filed the missing. Person's report SEAN. Also said that Patrick could explain that. Chelsea's grandmother was sick and she may have been off visiting her. He also told Sean that they had separated but he didn't say win in that had happened because he told the police that had happened on the twenty second but he didn't say that to his brother and that's probably because when he showed up for Thanksgiving dinner he had mentioned that at all directly so there was a big search done looking for Chelsea's body lean more than one investigators. Investigators searched the midway landfill from February to April for Chelsea's body or any evidence related to her death but nothing pertinent was found. They're still. They went ahead with the trial. I mean they certainly had enough. So do you think they had enough without crystal Kenny. Or do you think they really needed her because prosecution. You should seem to think. They needed her testimony. Well Yeah Hindsight's so good. They probably didn't need her. 'cause I think if you look at all the evidence genesis circumstantial and otherwise. It's pretty clear what had happened. I think so but there were things that they didn't know about when they gave her that deal so I guess they kind of gave it to her prematurely but they felt like there was no other choice because her attorney said she wasn't going to talk at all unless she got that deal feel so phrase. Trial began this past November. The jury was initially five women and seven men but then with the alternates and and everything it ended up being six of each there. Were eight charges including first degree murder tampering with the deceased body and solicitation and and he pled not guilty to the charges Kenney took her plea deal and what that involved was just pleading guilty to tampering charge and agreeing to testify. So it's a golden deal certainly is although I don't know how she can live with herself and I would imagine she needs needs to leave town and change your name. I would think how moves up in Idaho Right. Maybe she'll just disappear someplace. Yeah I just if it was a cousin of mine or a friend of mine and I heard what she did. I wouldn't have anything to do with their. I mean it's really pretty fucking scary it is. I don't care if she committed the murder or not. Just someone cold hearted enough to clean the Condo to be there for the burning delighted. The police not a good per said said no not at all. So some of the first witnesses in the trial were Chelsea's mother and the police had been involved in Investigation Patricia Key who is manager of the EMT Credit Union in Woodland Park testify. The Patrick swayze came into the bank on December eighth and asked if he could see her surveillance footage from the banks. ATM from Thanksgiving Day. Yeah right so I'm thinking. He was worried that they'd be able to see the container. Or something in the footage. While he's worried that there is some incriminating stuff on the footed right. Yeah enduring her conversation conversation with him. She said she could access the surveillance video from his trip to the bank on Thanksgiving but according to her phrase. He said he was needing to have a time line for that day because he and his fiancee had broken up the day before so he was getting together with her to see about custody of their child. He said any. We need to set a timeline for where he was today before and then later on he added that she was missing so he just had a bad feeling about him. And you know she'd heard about got it kind of a bullshit story to begin with yes and people. Now she's missing. Yeah Yeah it's well known. I mean it was national news. Now that same day key said she had talked to police who had asked her to look up. Chelsea's debit card. History now the last transaction was November. Twenty twenty second two thousand eighteen. And that's the only day she said Frazee as surveillance footage showing his where about yes so the whole time line. The idea makes no sense so she said that frazee asked for his bank history that day as well and looked at surveillance video and photos this is showed him at the ATM with his one year. Old Daughter in the car sue kice Edwin frazee left the bank. She contacted the company's legal team and they told her to write Ada Synopsis of the Interaction and call the police some of the conversation she have. Phrase's truckers vary. I'd Oh yeah more than and she said. He has very abrupt and he never showed any concern for Kelsey or where she could be. Yeah well because the cellphone data was a big part of the evidence of horizon is in store. Employees testified and he testified about an interaction with FRAC- before phrase's Arrest His name was David Felice and and he said Frazee came to the Woodland Park Verizon store on December eleventh with his one year old daughter and when he came in he seemed very nervous. And a bit sketchy Philly. Police said police also said that frizzy seemed particularly concerned about the security of his cell phone account and asked if it was possible to get information from phone phone if it was destroyed. Now none of this is suspicious No no so fully said frazee kept asking about the other phone on his account and and tried to change the pin on that device so he could access it's data so of course that was Kelsey Song right so he starting to worry a little bit about his phone records now too late. So district attorney's investigator Chedda might injure testified about the surveillance photos from Chelsea's neighbors motion triggered surveillance cameras. One of these was pointed to Kelsey front door so on November twenty second she was the last Kelsey had been seen alive. The surveillance cameras triggered twenty. Seven Times. Frasier was in eleven of surveillance photos including one taken around around four thirty in the afternoon. Yes so basically. He was coming and going Yoshi was he had previously said he didn't go into Kelsey. Is Kinda that day at all right. They just exchanged Kelly in the Alex. So in surveillance photos phrase's and carrying anything out of the home except for Keighley that they can see but his back was often to the camera and and miniature testified that the last image recorded of Kelsey was taken as she went into her apartment at one twenty three pm she was never seen leaving the apartment or the Condo so the police officer who called freeze e after Kelsey was first reported missing said there were two things that seem to miss to her during their fifteen minute phone conversation one was the lack of concern and the other is that he wouldn't give a date on the exchange of Keighley at that point. It's interesting hosting it is yeah Kelsey. Mother Cheryl testified that after her conversation with frizzy on December second and that's the day she had called the police police in reported her daughter missing. She never heard from him again. She said he never went to the candlelight vigil for her daughter and didn't reach you talked to any member of the family ever so that's always such a bad sign. I mean if he can't even face the family he knows he's guilty right. You're yeah yeah so I just can't imagine what the family would go through in that situation. It had to be just such a horror and Cheryl also described strange things about bowed text messages. She'd received from Chelsea's phone remember. I said the texting just didn't seem like the way Chelsea texted. Everybody kind of has their own style of texting sting. Ray didn't fit the syntax right. So Kelsey is texting style was also an issue for her boss at Doss Aviation Raymond Raymond C bring whenever supervisors said. He was somewhat taken aback to receive a text from his normally dependable employees on November twenty fifth saying she needed to take a week off to visit her grandmother. She'd never done anything like that before. Also Chelsea's mother hadn't heard anything about going to the grandmother's in which she certainly would've seabourn showed a list of audience or text he'd sent Chelsea's phone asking wind she'd returned to work and if she'd like to take paid take off for the unexpected week off. But you know we never heard back from her. Of course after the twenty fifth the phone had been destroyed or thrown in the water or something thank it was never recovered so I guess one of the biggest witnesses of course was crystal Lee Kenny. I mean she was the one that they were waiting for breath to really put everything together. Yup and she did. She testified basically what she already told police including what Frasier told her were calcium. Last words were pleased. Stop yes so. She didn't just get hit once in. Pass out no now. She was awake for this horrible beating her conscious us for it. So Kenny was on the stand for over four hours. Also the prosecutors submitted to videos from a body camera to show the court and EH in a video. Kenny was talking with police. She was wearing a police jacket and sunglasses and frazee watched this video from his seat in the courtroom crystal looked down and didn't watch herself in the video. An agent asked Kenny to describe the black tote which she did including some details about the clasps esps and the hinged lid when asked were freezing burned it. She said it was in around aluminum water trough. That didn't have a bottom to it so it was on the dirt. She pointed out to them where she I parked when she got to phrase's ranch on November twenty four noting that she got out and talked with him for at least an hour and he told older he needed to do chores. And take care of Keighley so these people are just freaks right. These are cold-blooded freaks Absolu- this is just so awful. All I mean there's no way that Kelsey could have imagined he was capable of this. She just couldn't have I mean I think he did have a pretty dark side but I don't know if she'd seen it. Aw At least not until her death also in the video Kenney said that frazee had given her calcium phone before she drove to Woodland Park then back to a conical station she described how she and Frasier drove between Nash Ranch Woodland Park and the frazee ranch in the video. They also so walk toward where Kenny had parked that day and she pointed out the area where Chelsea's body had been burned. There were some marks on the dirt from burning so when she was asked if the discolored dirt had changed since she last saw it she didn't really see a major difference and she pointed out in nearby container and said that it was identical to the black tote that Chelsea's body was burned in so this evidence this testimony is extremely damning too frizzy. It certainly certainly was so Kenny. Also said that she brought the trash bags from Kelsey Psalm. The bloody items and stuff to add to the fire fire. She said she was present. When frazee I started the fire and in the video she was seen showing authorities where frizzy got the would to add to the fire so in addition to the would Kennedy said Frasier also had guests and Motorola already? She took authorities to where frazee had them sitting out that day. She said she had only such. You only saw one red gas. Can she said the frazee used just a single match too late the trust contents on fire. Yes so the second video video. She described everything she took from. Chelsea's home during the cleanup and detailed what she'd been wearing when she did that. Also she talked about what she'd put in trash bags including her clothing. The defense worked in the cross examination to show that Kenny had several opportunities to tell police about phrase's plans to murder order Kelsey and how she'd been able to plead guilty to tampering with evidence before even giving a formal statement to the authorities he noted she hadn't pled guilty realty for the cleanup for sending the messages from Chelsea's phone or for destroying evidence. She wasn't charged with being an accessory to the murder. Either which which of course would carry a much more severe penalty he continued grilling her about how prosecutors allowed her to plead guilty to tampering charge. Only and how she could end ended up with just probation after this then. He pushed her on her claims that she felt afraid of frequency. Even though she lived like a thousand miles away in Idaho and she was going to his place all the time. I know so what the defense was really trying to say that she had done it. That was really. His only defense was to blame. Blame it on her. But it's not gonNA work now. So Kenny said that during an October visit she told frazee she has not going to commit the murder. She added that after not hearing from fritzy between October. Twenty first and November third. She hoped that he had given up on his plan. But the defense attorney Got Kenny to admit that she spoke with phrasing again the day before Thanksgiving and that she had willingly going to clean up Kelsey condo after thanksgiving. So phrase's close friend. Joe More testified. The phrase IOS acting strangely in early two thousand eighteen this months before Chelsea's murder and he'd reported that he it was so concerned he started taking notes about phrase's behavior. He testified that on April. Twenty six two thousand eighteen. He asked frizzy about Oh Kelsey and phrase he replied. I figured out a way to kill her adding if there's no body there's no crime so he took notes but he didn't go to anyone either. Yeah so what's with this guy. I don't know I mean I guess just not thinking it'll really happen. It's the only thing I can think of. But you know he was also saying that after after the murder frazee had said things like we'll find known it was going to be such a big deal. I wouldn't have done it. You know. So basically he thought he was just going to get away with this. It wasn't gonNA Make the National News. He seems surprised about the publicity. And what a big thing it had become so it just shows me someone who really doesn't respect life especially the life of a woman. I mean basically this nobody no crime. He thought well as long as they get rid of the body. I'm free and clear your throat anyway. He Yeah but there was a big surprise when a former teller county jail inmate testified. I mean this was as the. ANC grace would say a bombshell. It was in this this inmate. Who is we've been in the same plot as phrase from September twenty six to October twelfth of Twenty nineteen testified a phrase? He tried to hire him to murder. Witnesses wow yeah so. This inmate turned over seventeen letters to the prosecution of of what he says. Our correspondence between him and phrasing. These letters include frasier asking inmate more than once to murder crystal Lee so she had a right to be afraid of 'em frazee also asked if the men knew where to find crystal her best friend her ex-husband her siblings or her children and other people expected to testify against him. Yes so yes she could be afraid of them but wouldn't it be better to have him walked up and prevent him from killing another other young woman. I mean didn't she see that Chelsea's life was just as valuable as her own. That's what gets me. Yeah in one letter. frizzy suggested gestured where Kenny could be found someone who tells FBI. She came three times to kill Kelsey. Because I said so as bs a thousand miles away on your you're dying leaving family job at Cetera. Then another note read they all need to disappear unseen until November twenty second after trial and then another one said I am not the monster they say I am while the one that really got to me. It's the one that said Do you have funds or resources to go to Idaho and back was thinking if you could keep them in the desert then you could head home crystal Leeann Michelle the BFF so pretty much saying shoot them in the desert leave him. There are still in her friend and just the fact that he's asking if he has funds and resources means this isn't just daydreaming. This is a concrete plan and he's trying to set into action he also wrote flush on some of the notes. You know saying that the other inmates should flush these letters down the toilet but the inmate kept the the letters. He said that he did this. Because he thought a phrase he ever became famous he could sell the letters on ebay yards. Good for right. Yeah so so. Not The greatest motivation to keep them but he did keep them. Yeah I mean only only because he thought he could score some money off of them. Yeah I I know I know. That's the sad part. So Greg Slater. Who is an investigator for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation testified that he recognized phrases his handwriting based on other pieces of evidence collected phrases? Defense was Kenny Killed Kelsey and lied to the police to save herself. Yep that pretty much fell apart. Yeah Yeah I don't think anyone liked her and she cried on the stand but it certainly didn't exonerate him at all. No and he didn't testify. You know that's no surprise and the jury deliberated for less than four hours before reaching their verdict. So He's a bad signed nine for defense when it's quick yet is isn't it. I think so so he was found guilty on all charges. Two counts of murder three counts of solicitation listen to commit murder and tampering with a deceased human body. He was sentenced to life without parole for first degree murder. Plus an additional hundred fifty six years. Yes so he's not going anywhere. No no thank God. Because he's a scary guy right. Terrible being one of the prosecutors on the case Beth Reed said that she never witnessed crazy express anything other than this emotionless state that he showed in court just a blank face ace and she believes he's associate path now. She's not a psychiatrist but he sure seems like one. I'll agree with her there so we did in a little background about him and they had a little bit on the dateline episode. Yeah they had a former girlfriend of phrase's WHO's interviewed on the Dateline episode and his girlfriend said he'd like to play mind games with her and threatened her she also city is cruel to his animals and frequently talked about killing people. Girlfriend's name is Vanessa Curry and she said if Rosie had severe anger issues which he blamed on a difficult childhood now it certainly does appear that he emotionally manipulated crystalline Kenny. Yeah but she's still responsible for Action as you said yes. She's going to be sentenced later this month but the maximum. She's going to get his three years. If she had taken a plea for accessory to murder she could have got a sentence of life in prison right but I guess the prosecution wasn't sure that they could get a conviction without her cooperation nation. But looking back I think they probably could up or giving her a plea deal. That wasn't quite. You know such a easy one with such a low sentence right such such a late sentence. Are you allowed. If you've made this agreement who this plea deal. Can you go back on it or is it engraved in stone. I don't know I know that the prosecution can if she lied and didn't follow through. It could be cancelled right right but suppose they decided and trial or after trial that she was much more involved than she claimed to be. So they say okay. We're revoking are plea deal you know we're going to charge you with accessory to murder or something like that but that's a moot point. Well it seems unlikely. I don't know if it's moot because if it were thing maybe it could happen happened. But we'd have to hear from one of our lawyer friends to be sure but I'm pretty sure it's almost written in stone right because there are plenty of people who've appeal healed after making a plea and have never seen that work right now. Chelsea's parents filed a civil suit against FRAC- for wrongful death negligence civil civil conspiracy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. So that's ongoing. Right now. Kaley is in the custody of Chelsea's parents parts. They plan to adopt her. Yeah sad case. Oh horrendous it really is I mean. It's brutal isn't it. It's awful. I'm just so glad that he'll never be out. I mean and then the whole planning to kill people from prison that just shows you. He really is horribly evil here. You know just doesn't think twice about taking someone's life which of course you know. He took away his daughter's mother so if he's willing to do that he would be willing to kill anyone some references for this case where state of Colorado documents including search warrants Phrase's arrest warrant and other attachments catchments. We also got a great deal of information from Denver. Seven from Dateline NBC. They had an episode season. Twenty seven episode twenty. Three forty eight hours had two episodes season thirty two episode. Three and episode twelve episode twelve was after the trial kind of an update episode. assode which I think is kind of cheating because half of that episode is old stuff from the first episode and they do a lot of rehashing. Not My favorite are intro. An an ultra music was written and produced by Tristen Capelle. So thank you trysted. If you haven't joined team Tigr ever I just like to say it's worth considering. We recently tackled. 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The dogs were telling me all about it earlier. So what have we got. I got a few emails today. Okay why don't you read the first one. So this is from Jerry who has a case suggestion and a beer suggestion. So he says I'm a new listener listener. So very glad I found your channel as a criminology major. I of course find true crime very interesting. I watch a ton of true crime documentaries. My case suggestion is to discuss the crimes of serial killer. Larry Eyler he's also known as the interstate killer or the highway killer. He's believed to have killed at least twenty one teenage boys and young men between nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty four in the midwestern United States mostly Indiana Illinois and. There's a book co freed to kill the true story of Larry Eyler very interesting the Sad fact is that he was once arrested on charges but then was released because Indiana law enforcement illegally detained him and this caused all the evidence collected by Illinois law enforcement to be thrown out so he's released only to continue his horrible crimes that was until he tortured and murdered a sixteen year. Old boy named Daniel Bridges that he is arrested for a second time. So that sounds like an interesting case. He goes on. He wants wants to have a beer from Tara. Brewing company been in operation since eighteen thirty seven. So it's one of the original nine commercial breweries. He's in the United States and the second oldest operating brewery in the United States. So He's got of your Code Madam Brown which is a British Brown Ale. English brownell thinks it's very good so I'm all set. I've got a case and a beer ready to go now. I know that you just edited the hell out of that but it seems like he does Abi Review like you right. He's got some stuff in there about bready toasty multi so he seems like he might might be a bit of a beer expert he does yes so you guys would probably like to talk. You guys would get along great well if we talk about beer. It's always a fun subject. Well for you not for everybody but for you and probably for Jerry. So thanks Jerry. You're thanks a lot so the next email is from Christine esteem with a case suggestion. Love and admiration for a well presented. podcast not to mention your fabulous banter just watched the Theresa ciphers murder trial while she was a Florida doctor of holistic medicine. Three horrible killings for Insurance Money Mark. Her husband orchestrated the whole thing. His is two best friends hammered her to death so that sentence was a little weird. But you get the gist. Yeah so she's Practitioner of holistic medication. Theresa Theresa Iverson Receivers Right. She was found bludgeoned to death in her Florida home. She had been in New York with her husband and children over the weekend and she had come home alone own because she's due to work the next day now. Her husband was not a suspect initially but as they were investigating the murder they found evidence that she in her husband had what would be considered an open marriage and he had a four million dollar life insurance policies on her so little motive there he into friends of his charged with the murder as Christine said. The trial is ongoing so was he. Dr No sounds brutal. So we'll definitely look into that. Thanks Christine I WANNA see how much information I can get on that because the initial look up I did didn't have too much much series if we can find some more. Okay so we have a case suggestion from Marianne Jilin Dick and contacting you about a case from two thousand thousand six known as the Richmond spree murderers or the Harvey family and Baskerville family. Murders as I am from Richmond. I've been aware of this case since the the beginning however I've never found any television media and virtually no internet media about them which seems so odd since these murders were quite sensational on on January. First of two thousand six as the Harvey family was getting ready for New Year's Day party. Ricky Gray and Ray Dandridge uncle and nephew but close in age judge got into the Harvey home and murdered them all including their four year old and nine year old daughters parents. Kathy and Bryan were well known in Richmond. And as he was a local musician. Some notoriety and she owned a popular shop called world of Mirth Ashley Baskerville was for a short time. Ray Dandridge girlfriend the men stayed with the Best Greville family around the time of the harvey murders days later they murdered the Baskerville family including Ashley early. There are many more details to this case. That are fascinating. As an aside Kathy Harvey was half sister to actor Steven culp well known from the TV. He's show desperate housewives. I really hope you will choose to do this on your podcast and bring it the attention it deserves. Thank you Marianne. Well thanks Marianne. I am really shocked. I haven't heard of this. This is really crazy. It has wiped out to families and the other thing. Some of the research is doing one of them either. Ricky Gray Gray Oray Dander. Jackie remember which is also thought to have murdered his mother. Wow so these are two nuts two psychopaths absolutely but interesting to know another one that I wanna see how much information I can get. Yeah let's do that. We'll look okay. So why don't you read our final email for today I will woah missile beer quicken. This is from Trina case suggestion. Hey from Compton California. 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It's just too gross. It's gross and the randomness. The Minister of it. I don't feel it gives us a lot to discuss because we really liked to discuss people's history motivations at least idea that's how I feel about it in the randomness of this sociopath just really didn't appeal to me. I mean we'll keep it on the back burner. Trina but it's not one. That's really a priority for us right now. At least it certainly isn't. It might not ever be. It might not be but we appreciate your email and if you have any other cases we'd love to hear about what you think we should do for another case case. We're always open case suggestions. Absolutely Yep we can never have too many to go through a men sometimes. There are a lot that don't appeal. You're right Yup. Okay Finish your beer. Let's hit okay. Well thank you. Everyone for listening. We'll see you next week at the quiet end by by by. Hi The the

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In His Own Home: The Ted Ammon Story

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In His Own Home: The Ted Ammon Story

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted connecticut advice or treatment listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime. Brewery I'm Jill Burke when handsome wealthy investment I anchor Ted Almond Mr Monday morning business meeting and then failed to pick up. His children from school. Friends were concerned. Ted was nothing if not reliable reliable. He'd spent the weekend at his East Hampton home so his business partner took a helicopter ride to his estate to see what Ted was up to tended headed really stood out as an athletic guy who loved his kids and his three dogs. But Ted had been going through a lengthy nasty divorce and child custody battle addle. His wife was universally believed to be a difficult woman and she'd been dating a man with a criminal history. Join us at the quiet and today Eh for in his own home the Ted Almond Story. This story really shows us. How even the most perfect looking among us has struggles and even unexpected the dangerous in their lives so today's beer is from Queens New York it's called fin-back p from Finn Beck Brewery? It's a New England when I say this is one of the neater looking beers. It looks like a cream sickle when you pour it. It's got that light orange color. Big Huge Whitehead had a ton of lace the beautiful looking beer nice aroma of fruit. And there's some floral innumerable hops mixed in there mostly Mellon taste a little bit of pine and a good background of Caramel. This is a medium bodied beer very easy to drink very nice beer. I'm sure the by an end is going to like this. One sounds lovely. Let's open it up and have a look. Okay all right. Let's take these cream. sickles down to the quiet end okay. It is quiet again today and always busy over the weekend. Everyone is here watching super bowl. Well we kind of need it quiet to do the show. Super Bowl would not work with true crime brewery. I'm afraid no one is hardly anybody hero. You you guys back there. Can you be quiet place all right thank you. Oh you're in the grumpy old man where we're trying to get this thing going all right. Well why don't you start at then. Okay Robert Theodore Ammon was born in Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania to Steal Executive Bob Ammon and his wife Betty Lee he news. The first son was born two years after his big sister Sandy. His parents called him teddy and in his got older Ted. The Ammon family had that collect nineteen fifties upper middle class lifestyle. Betty Lee stayed home with sandy and Teddy Betty Lee was an intelligent strong woman who encouraged the two children to be competitive and work hard in school. A school turned out to be pretty easy for Ted who is a pretty bright guy but he also had a photographic memory so so steadying was very easy for him when he was in the eighth grade. His father was transferred East Aurora New York to be in charge of a steel plant. Yes so this was the ideal family. This is how I picture your childhood. The almonds had their family dinner every night followed by homework and they'd go to their various sporting events. Let's Boban was Ted's Little League Baseball coach to Ted was also on the swimming team and he grew up to be very athletic reaching an adult height of six six foot. Four so very tall in high school. Of course Ted was on the football team but he was different than a lot of the jokes because he played the piano quite well and he got excellent grates. He did have several girlfriends throughout his teen years being both a jock in academic he was widely Popular Sandy. His sister would say that she and Ted had wonderful childhoods and as adults they did remain. Close here a bit. He did pretty well in high school. uh-huh here he is an athlete and a break. Y- Y yeah. He had a lot going for him but he heard let girlfriends well. I don't know about a Ladda. He he had several. Okay yeah her nose a lot more than several several more than a lot a lot more than several several psych a handful allot what is dozens. Okay that's the way it is in my brain her think you're embellishing a little bit. But that's okay. It's just how I see it. Subjective now now the other half of this equation that will be talking about his generous rand. Her upbringing was far more complicated than Ted's generous his mother. Marie was born to a California farmer and his wife. Maria is acute moody little girl. She did actually join a convent for a year and then decided it wasn't working for her to during World War. Two Marie was a pretty much a party girl. She went out dancing and drinking. Sometimes Nice flighty. Sometimes the slug some family members who were worried that she might be suffering from some mental illness like manic depression but Marie had no desire to seek mental until health. Help Murray's father died just a few years before her mother died of cancer and that left Marie dependent on her older brother. So Marie married a soldier. They had two children but she was negligent. Mother and her children were taken from her and she got divorced she then Mary Clearance Rand. Who is another soldier and this is a few years later? Right submarine clearance had a daughter named Dally but Marie went back to partying while Dolly was still a toddler so oh Dolly was left with family members while Marie would drink and dance and meet new men she met an Italian man named Generoso and had a short lived affair with him mm-hmm in her long beach apartment and after about a week of hooking up Generoso was out of marine life went back to Italy but then she found out that she was pregnant agnete and it wasn't by her husband so Marie wrote to general so and told him about her pregnancy but he never responded so her fourth child who she did give. Her husband's last name was named Jennifer Rosa after her father but Maria didn't take long to return to her partying ways family members didn't call generosity by her given name either because a lot of them knew that this child had been named after this Italian guy they called her gen or Joe she became very close with her older sister. Dolly after Marie began to leave the two home alone to go out and have fun again. So Generoso was four and Allie was seven when they moved to oceanside California with their mother. Their uncle Al was also divorced by then he lived in a ground floor apartment in a three family house that he had purchased. There were tenants on the third floor and Marie and her two daughters were allowed to live on the second floor without paying rent summary even hired in English housekeeper who acted as a baby sitter for her. Two girls in the housekeeper was kind signed to the girls as time went on they really began to prefer the housekeeper to their own mother. But things didn't go well. The childhood just continued to be problematic. Matic Little Generoso was sexually molested as a child by a man who were mother had trusted as a family friend and then the English housekeeper was fired by her. HYUNG-CHOL AL for having men to the House so quite a mess it sure is and it gets messier. Two years after all this Murray felt a lump in her breast within a couple of years she had metastatic breast cancer which had reached her name. Anne Marie died when Generoso is just ten years old so chandelier she and Dolly. Her older sister went to live with her uncle. Al In the meantime he had remarried he lived in an exclusive Laguna Beach neighborhood. Dolly show general. Sir Sir Photo for biologic father. WHO's a sailor named Generoso? Now this is the first time generosity knew that her mother had not been married to her father and she. She resented her mother for lying to her for failing to protect her while sure but they said that from that time forward generoso was a different girl she it was determined to be strong and to be rich. She didn't ever want to have children of her own either. She decided that her mother's death had been a good thing and now she it was free to live a better life. Uncle Al's new wife on March was a smart and financially well off woman generosity admired her her and ended up having kind of special friendship with her March said that she wanted generosity to live with them but the house was really full and there was a a lot of friction between Genera and her cousins Generoso was prone to temper tantrums and she could be very jealous devious and manipulative in her mind. It was her way or no way in Dolly had been a fairly troubled teen also maybe not to the extent that China Rosa's but eventually Dolly was sent to live with her older half sister. Terry Terry's husband and their two kids and Santa Clara California an aunt. Marge had a rich friend who lived in Laguna beach with her husband and their two children. These folks had an eight bedroom house on a horse ranch so jane the woman who was living in house offer to adopt generosity and generous moved in with Jane and the family. She became very good at horseriding more than good actually. She competed shows and she even one ribbons. She also began to do well in school so seems like she's coming out of her Funchal Obita. She seemed to really thrive there. She learned to play the piano. She got braces to fix her teeth and she seemed to have things going pretty well. She had money she. Her loving parents foster parents appearance. Whatever and in a state with their own horace right? So you'd think everything was great and she could be quite charming coming but she was continuing to have a frightening temper big tantrums to whenever anything wasn't going her way and as generous entered late adolescence she had really changed from the sweet girl to a really rebellious troublemaker. In nineteen sixty seven. Jane Call generalises half sister Terry and told her that Generoso was causing trouble with the other. Kids generous was demanding jealous and she just seemed like she could never have enough material possessions. Jane and her husband couldn't controller. They were really tired and kind of desperate to be relieved of her. Terry was well aware of how it felt to be abandoned. She'd had a similar childhood and she felt sympathy for her little sister so she agreed to take her in and and remember Terry was already parenting Dali. Her husband was a high school English teacher. who was very patient and good with the kids? Terry and her husband had two kids of their own two daughters Julian. Amy and their house was pretty comfortable. They had four bedrooms and two baths but it wasn't anything like the estate that generosity was coming from and it wasn't good enough for her. She was really unhappy about being there and became came angry and very resentful. She no longer lived on the estate and she had to leave her horse behind. That really pissed her off. Life wasn't fair to her. She she said and she was just kind of angry at the whole world. When Dolly was eighteen she got her own apartment in San Jose? She moved out of the House the Teri and her husband had Dolly soon became promiscuous and got herself into drugs. terrier also been sexually abused as a child and when Dolly moved out Terry became very depressed and as she sent deeper and deeper into depression. She generosity butted heads almost seemed like generous new. The Terry has some weaknesses and was using against her and then Terry's husband began Genaro says that influence on the younger daughters. They sire getting away with do things and they themselves got into trouble right so this is just difficult. And it ended up being really heartbreaking for Terry who had only wanted to help her sisters sisters but she and her husband finally had decide that they just couldn't handle generosity and terry wasn't feeling well. The house was just kind of getting out of control. They told generous that the situation wasn't working finally and she was given one month's notice to find a new place to live generosity. Orosa cried but Terry promise that they would continue to help her however they could and generosity finally said she understood but you know this was her fourth big rejection. She'd been abandoned by her mother. Her uncle Jane Reagan who owned The estate and now tearing her husband so she was sad but you know really building. This deep seated anger so generous ended up living with another family who were friends with her aunt and this family had two teenage daughters others of their own and they lived in Los Angeles so things are okay at this house for a while. The family found generous to be very creative and pretty talented anted artistically. But she was Moody's Hell. She was expelled from the Catholic schools. She is told to straighten up relief. So Jenner Rosa figured wrote the shoes running out of options and she actually changed her attitude and her behavior. She played tennis and continued with her artwork. Yes that was one year later win. Generosity learned that her sister Dolly had been killed in a car accident and of course she was devastated she stayed with that family in La for four years until she graduated from high school and then she began her freshman year at the University of California at Irvine her uncle l. legally adopted her and paid her expenses. She graduated in nineteen eighty one and moved to Manhattan to start a career in the art world. Once there though she just cut herself off from everyone on lake she wanted nothing to do with her. Past and Terry wrote her letter after letter but Generoso return them unopened and even wrote a note saying she didn't want anything to to do with any of them. Sushi cut all ties with family back home. He at least for a while she did talk to some people later but yes she just decided she was starting offer a new life and New York. That's it now after he graduated High School Ted Ammon went to Bucknell University in central Pennsylvania. He played Lacrosse pledged to fraternity. He changed majors more than once and finally decided on a double major in art and economics. He signed up with the Air Force to become a pilot choir but had to drop out because he failed an eye exam yes so after he finished college. Ted followed a girlfriend out to San Francisco. Her Dad was an executive for big department store and he actually gave Ted job in shipping and receiving after several months of that Ted Ed applied to a training program for international banking and he learned about international finance and fell in love with a fellow trainee named Randy Day. Hey Randy was a petite athletic blonde. She was a year older than Ted. They both completed the program and Randy got a job in England so Ted so follow her and they shared an apartment in London and they ended up getting married in nineteen seventy four once in London. Ted made this decision that he wanted I to be a lawyer. Of course he hadn't gone to law school but he hired himself a tutor and was able to pass the English law test without ever going to law. Uh School. So that's quite amazing sir. Amir's so after that. He got a position with a British law firm specializing in maritime law but Randy. Andy was soon transferred to New York and Ted returned with her to the. US back there. He studied and passed the bar exam on the first try. Ted and Randy spent the holidays with his family and his older sister. Sandy she'd married a doctor from Alabama his name was Bob Williams so these two couples got along great and they played board games together and Ted's favourite was monopoly. He was very competitive with it. So Ted and Randy. He both worked very long hours and were financially successful but over the years they were really just spending too little time together and they grew apart so they ended up getting divorced in nineteen eighty three but they remained friendly. No in Ted Bet. Divorced Generoso was working as an artist in New York too is a painter enter sculptor and photographer. She had some talent but really never managed to get any of her work shown. Well you know it's interesting is a lot of people had had said that her art never had people in it and it was kind of awful because it was just so desolate. Her sculptures and paintings and photography was mostly of of buildings and like hard things not nature human beings or animals. So I just find that kind of interesting but it is now in order to pay her. Bills Jenner Russa worked for a real estate firm selling and renting high end properties and. She reinvented herself as a wealthy trust. Fund Brat right from the West Coast and she acted as she only worked for the fun of it now. Ted was looking for New York apartment since he was single again and he made an appointment ended up having generous showing him in advertise property on the day of his appointment though. He got busy at work and he missed. The shelling the very next day Jinro so-called and angrily told him off for blowing off the showing. She said that she had waited for him and he had wasted her valuable time. You're yes I guess. Ted Felt a little bit guilty but also he found the agents. Tough response kind of intriguing. He apologized and set up another showing knowing and promised that he would be there and when he met her he was attracted to her. She was smart tough and pretty sexy. He asked her out for coffee and they began dating. Ted Really appreciated her artistic talent and her blatant ambition. Because you know she really wanted someone with money and she wasn't afraid to admit that and within one month they'd moved in together so went really quickly hurts sure did and then within a year generosity gave Ted and ultimatum he ther- they get married or they break up and Ted said he really wasn't ready to get married again and he broke up with her so she was pretty hurt and angry reported recorded. Work did it now. She called his family to complain. That Ted had led her on and dumped her but months later Ted bumped into Generoso at the Metropolitan Politics Museum of art and they began seeing one another again and this time Generoso insisted on an engagement ring right away or she wouldn't even get back together with him and Ted must have really loved her because he agreed to that so they were married in nineteen eighty six. It became a power couple and lived in a townhouse off a fifth avenue early in the relationship. Ted found generous sarcastic. Tough attitude amusing the spider of skill lifestyle. She insisted that she he wasn't shallow rich wife. She saw herself as an artist. She entertained at the townhouse often but she went through quickly as she had a habit of getting an arguments arguments throwing people out of her home. We're continuing or reverting back to the my way or no way with generosity. Well I don't think ever changed ensure that I think it was that all along but the beginning Ted thought it was kind of charming she submerged it for a while. Yeah maybe but not an easy woman and I mean even her close family members would say that and is tense. Income Climbed Generoso threw herself into remodeling their townhouse. When that was finished she found a summer home in Bedford gutted that and hired contractors to make it just the way she wanted it? Money was no object and she spent spent months decorating it so that was kind of a fulltime job. She wasn't really doing art very much. She boarded horses at the Summer House. And an inner trained a lot of guests. She was a competitive jumper in horse shows all along the East Coast and throughout the rest of the nineteen eighties. Ted Had leveraged several big business. Takeovers this included a two point five billion dollar deal for storer communications a Florida Broadcasting and cable ATV group. He was also involved in the one point. Two five billion dollar deal to take over world color press Ted was really seen as creative of and is a good problem solver and business. His biggest transaction was for twenty five billion dollars this was a takeover of RJR NABISCO in nineteen eighteen. Eighty eight so so ted is becoming an extremely wealthy person. Yes he is and while he continued to grow his career. Generoso is busy Z.. Running the House and planning social events. She also continued with her horse riding enter photography head. Butter big loft in Soho for her to use. This is an art studio. He was really proud of her artistic ability and generous had tried to get pregnant but had not been successful. She herself never really unwanted kids but Ted did and she felt terrible that she wasn't able to have a baby so after over a year for Tila treatments they decided to adopt two friends. Generosity claim that she decided not to get pregnant because it would interfere with horseriding yes. Ted Generous flew to Ukraine on several occasions agents and they ended up adopting a set of Ukrainian twins. A boy and a girl these kids had been placed in a state orphanage by their mother who just couldn't afford to take take care of them so by this time the almonds are worth over fifty million dollars so they've got their choice of whatever kid they want which is kind of sad to say like their property but it's true and they like these twins mostly because the little girl looked like generous had when she was a little girl but you know of course. They're cute kids. The boy's name was Greco in the girl was Alexa. The almonds brought them home in the spring of Nineteen Ninety two and that Easter they took them to meet their aunt. Sandy and Uncle Bob and they participated in their first Easter egg hunt and for awhile. Children became generous 's focus. She hired a nanny and she hired more housekeeping and cooking staff. The kids were very well behaved and really love these new lives. They were enrolled in the best private. I haven't schools in Manhattan. Then Ted started his own company a printing business which he named big flower press and his income just continued to to increase. He was in on the ground floor of the Internet and telecommunications boom so his stocks really took off these are pretty good times for the Amens kids were happy. They had fun trips when I adventures. They build a dream house in the hamptons which generous help design decorate. She hired a young architect detect and paid him more than his firm would ever pay him over a several year period. This small house only six thousand square feet. Which generous wanted to look like an English country estate? The children had their own wing had had his own wine cellar. Generoso insisted on a secure secret safe room where the family could hide if the homos ever invaded right so like a panic room. That's pretty intriguing. I mean it shows a little paranoia I guess to yours but I kinda like the idea. The home project in the Hampton seemed to really bring out the worst in generous though she had this daily battle with her architect and her contractors when the project twist finally completed. She insisted that the architect not tell anyone that he designed the house and she told everyone that she had designed the house on her own. Then she she also refused to pay the full amount to contractors claiming they were trying to rip off so this was pretty embarrassing for Ted and really anybody around her. Her behavior behavior was kind of despicable. But Ted always supported his wife inner conflicts even when he didn't agree with her and she seemed to be getting meaner as they got wealthier. The money wasn't making her happier. That was for sure former friends would have nothing to do with them. Because of generous behavior her confidence had really turned into this strange strange bullying behavior. And your sense of humor had devolved into just plain old cruel sarcasm just to joy to be around. She sounds horrible so not not. Surprisingly Ted and generosity relationship began to suffer. How could it not ted was a health nut and very opposed to smoking and generosity began smoking more no more sneaking outside to hide it from the only thing that seemed to make her happy was tearing down and rebuilding things redoing and redesigning the house and the apartment in the the city but every time of a project to complete her mood worsened and she fell into an angry depression? So Ted suggested therapy generosity refused. She is incapable of trusting anyone and she had cut herself off from everyone. In her past she began having temper tantrums in public and he was even having outbursts with the kids when she managed to make a friend she would inevitably cut them off for some perceived slight against her. Yes so in nineteen ninety. Six Jenner. Santa Rosa was really branching out and trying to control. Ted's business as well as their personal lives. Ted called his sister Sandy and told her that he was thinking. Being of leaving Generoso he described his wife as a manic depressive personality who was just driving him crazy there was no pleasing her and she wasn't willing to change wjr but Generoso also called Sandy and she complained that Ted was becoming very distant and cold. She felt like she had been the perfect wife. And he just didn't appreciator gator. Also she was becoming very jealous of any interactions that Ted had with other women and that might have been reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised if he I had seen some women because of the state of his marriage state of his marriage and he liked women and he was he was out there attractive busy they were a part you. You know he's traveling. I just wouldn't be surprised or could be in nineteen ninety eight. Ted told a friend. That generous was out of her mind. She is threatening him in moments of anger. She threatened to hire Hitman to kill him and he didn't WanNa put the children through a divorce but the marriage wasn't working and it turned out that he was is going overseas on business trips more and more just in order to avoid confronting Generoso right but finally she did agree to some marriage counselling and poor a short time things improved. They decided that a change of environment might help the marriage so the couple took a trip to London where Ted interviewed for an international banking job. They made a down payment on a ten thousand square foot. Manor House in Surrey. This had ten bedrooms and art studio. Tennis courts stables else and big greenhouse but then Ted didn't accept the job there even though they had the house generosity believed that leaving. New York was the solution to their problems. alums but Ted decided he didn't want to move to England. He wanted to keep working in New York but in the end he did agree to move and for about three months the family was was pretty happy there. Ted was with the most of the time but he flew to the US for work still. This wasn't good enough for Generoso. She wanted him with turn England with the children all the time and she thought you know you have plenty of money. Why not retire? Her were indeed. Well Ted preferred to be New York and it turned out. He was secretly seeing woman named Mary. Bell Cap when day in Surrey generosity. Look through Ted's desk drawers and found out that he had bought a new apartment on on Fifth Avenue and he had hired a London divorce attorney. She was shocked. She had absolutely no idea that he had been seeing another woman so she confronted Ted and and he admitted to sing an attorney but he said that he had decided against a divorce. Generosity didn't believe him she consulted an attorney herself and learned that a divorce divorce and custody determination would turn out better for her. She was in New York so before Ted could file for divorce. Generous flew back to New York and FAU preemptively actively right so by this time. They're townhouse and their Soho Properties had been sold and Ted agreed to buy an upper east side townhouse for generosity to renovate and as these renovations were being done. She and the kids moved into the Stanhope Hotel which is very nice hotel across from the Metropolitan Museum of Art District. And they're living there. You're the separation was mostly civil. At this point. Ted had become resigned to giving generoso very generous settlement just to avoid any problems. He felt like he had plenty of money and he wanted the kids to have everything they needed but unknown to Tad Ted generosity had hired a private detective and she had found out about his mistress so after that she began to be very controlling about the terms of win Ted could see the children. She often changed plans at the last minute. which would result in less time or not even seeing their father then she also found her own new relationship and that was with a guy named Daniel Pelosi? He was an electrical contractor who was working on her renovation project he was seven years younger in her and a pretty rough guy he too was going through a divorce at the time. So let's take a quick break for sponsors and then we'll learn about the third main character in this crime. Danny Pelosi emotional pain and oppression can indicate that someone may be at risk for suicide at the signs aren't always easy to see or discuss most people who take their lives exhibit one or more warning signs often. The signs minds are subtle changes in mood. What they say or how they act learn to recognize the warning? Signs suicide is preventable. Recognize it talk about it. They act on it. Learn more at recognized talk. Act Dot Org a message from the Virginia Department of Health. Aw Danny Pelosi was born to a banker and Korean. War veteran in flushing Queens. He was the fourth of six siblings. Wchs when he was eleven. His parents Janet in Bob who the family to a safer neighborhood long island because of being bullied in school Danny was taught to protect himself but he thought of himself as a tough guy and he tended to overdo it in schoolyard fights so Danny's father signing up for boxing lessons and he is good at this took hits and he didn't quit but he also got into some trouble for petty crimes in his teenage years. Mostly shoplifting beer and cigarettes. When he turned seventeen his his parents divorced they had been having marital problems for some time? His father remarried colleague in his bank and Danny was pissed off about this. Yeah he he ended up with quite a chip on his shoulder in nineteen eighty. Two days girlfriend Tammy got pregnant and they got married and Danny got a tattoo of a heart with Tammy's name written in the middle of it on his left. Bicep Danny started working at a local gas station and they lived in her parent's seller but within a year. Danny lost his job and he was arrested this time for unauthorized use of a vehicle. His father bailed him out as he had before and that summer he went to work on a commercial Marshall Construction site but he had a serious injury so he had a back injury and concussion from lake a ceiling falling on him and he was given meds for the pain but he became addicted really using an excess of the pills along with large amounts of alcohol. So Danny Tammy had to go on welfare for a while then Danny was arrested again for d you I am had. His driver's license suspended his arrest. Record of course made it tough to to get a job and after another Dui Arrest Danny's dad put them in Rehab but he was kicked out for being disruptive and disobedience so that didn't work no he went on to get into trouble more and more with La from everything from assault to burglary he and tammy still had sex and they had two more kids and they had trouble paying their bills. They fight a lot and even when he was sober he cheated on. Tammy Danny had civil suit. Pending for years that was related to his work injury injury because he tended to blame all his problems misfortunes on the injury when the civil case did finally go to court then he was awarded zero. Nothing and this was a big disappointment because he had this idea that once he got that settlement he'd be rich but he did get off the drugs and alcohol and managed to stay off until April role of ninety eight then he was arrested for. Dui again he got six months in jail and five years probation and Tammy had had enough. She filed for divorce us. Danny then had this fantasy that he would be supported by a rich woman. He saw himself as a real ladies man and he told friends that he would find. Find a gorgeous rich woman to take care of him that And there she is generosity now when Ted learned the generosity had a new boyfriend at first he was is thrilled. Take some pressure off him. Giver someone else to control but after Danny moved in generous and the children she became even more rational rational. So Ted hired a private investigator to look into Danny's history and what he found wasn't real rate wasn't encouraging at all. Oh Danny had multiple pull arrest for drunk driving and saw. He had a revoked driver's license. And it even done jail time. Yeah and top of being upset about generous 's choice of a partner partner. He was pretty stunned when he got the monthly bills from the Stanhope Hotel. Generoso was spending in excess of one hundred thousand dollars per month there. She taken a suite for her. And Danny another room for the two kids and then she take other rooms for the pair assistance and some of Danny's relatives would come and go so Ted till Genera- you know I need to see an accounting of these expenses. They're pretty out of control any also wanted to see the contractor plans for for the town house 'cause that was costing a lot and when she refused he cut off her funds so that she danny had to leave the stanhope and that didn't go over well with her. He also cut off the funds for the Special Corporation that he had set up for the townhouses renovation project this corporation was is being run by Danny Pelosi and he'd made many non-related purchases that had nothing to do with the renovation including buying himself a brand new Ford explorer explorer so pretty outrageous or making. Good use of Ted's money absolutely now. Generosity told family and friends that they had to choose sides. She talked tuck badly about Ted to the kids trying to turn them against him and his work. They became estranged from Ted so generous it Danny and the children moved to the Hampton plays as for the summer dead agreed she would have sole use of it while the attorneys worked out the finances. Ted got his own place. In the Hamptons to visit the kids and in a judge mandated a temporary custody arrangement while a permanent arrangement was being determined so generosity she hired an armed bodyguard for fifty thousand dollars a year and then she had a Butler and a cook who were paid one hundred thousand dollars a year in the divorce settlement. She wanted one hundred eighty thousand dollars a month just for basic. I'm living expenses. She also wanted the English estate. The Hampton House the London apartment. And the new town house in Manhattan. She had her nanny in your personal assistant taking care of the kids pretty much signing all their school papers and even attending parent teacher conferences and then she went through manic periods send periods of deep depression but continued to refuse treatment and these twins are just completely pulled into the divorce and custody battle and they are her to tell their mother repeatedly that they're on her side completely generous encourage them to read the divorce papers and she took them with her for meetings with her lawyer. She also told the kids stood Ted was going to have her killed and kidnapped him. So that's encouraging thing for a kid to hear. This is not great for these poor kids. No wonder that they were pretty emotionally spent from this entire situation. The generosity refused to take them to therapy when a family court judge ordered her to get help for her children. She delayed it then. Put it off indefinitely. He I mean she pretty much said she was just too busy to do that. Ah But this is a woman without a job. No financial concerns I mean most of us just can't relate to the ridiculousness of this. No it's tough. Yeah and then. She reneged on an agreement for joint custody and she filed for sole custody. In the meantime she didn't follow the temporary agreement for Ted to spend spend time with the children when Ted expected them she might just not bring him and then sometimes when he wasn't expecting them she dropped them off with his door man or his Secretary Terry and say here you go so obviously. She has a lot of anger against him. So in the fall of two thousand one final papers they pursue the divorce were being put together but had not been signed who did appear though to be a light. At the end of the tunnel the lawyers had managed to convince Generoso it was actually worth less than she believed and she agreed to take twenty to twenty five million through total. Share yes I guess he'd been worth like a hundred million and it had gone gone down quite a bit in the nineties after the big boom and also she'd spent a shit ton. Now Generoso would get the Manhattan townhouse but the other homes we're going to be sold told. Her demands for full custody had been rejected by the court and custody would be shared. Equally generous. Wasn't happy about this. But according to to her attorney shoes resigned to that fact but despite all the trauma friends who say that Ted seemed happier in the fall of two thousand one then he really had a long longtime he'd realized that having more and more money wouldn't buy him happiness and he'd actually donated fifteen million dollars to his Alma Mater Bucknell now on October twentieth Saturday Ted drove himself to East Hampton for some relaxation. He liked to visit alone on the weekends. Sometimes just to a clear as mine in a few days he planned to sign divorce papers and put this whole ugly mess behind him. This was a warm day almost as if summer had ended except that the trees had yellow and red leaves the only way you could tell that it was October. He carried his groceries inside after punching in the burglar alarm code and and then he led us three dogs out to run free on the property so his girlfriend or mistress. Whatever you WANNA call her came by that afternoon and she and Ted had sex six? She left that night though because she had a boyfriend Beck in New York who didn't know that she was seeing Ted so they were both cheating. She and Matt Evening. Ted went to dinner alone at a local restaurant then. He went for a walk on the beach and while he was walking on the sand he had called Mary and left a voicemail male. He told her he was on two Mile Hollow beach which was known as a gay beach where men would pick each other up so he said he was afraid of some men. Their newest is going back home but according to Mary this was just Ted Making a joke. Ted didn't lock your doors before it went up to bed and he went to bed naked as has he always did. He was alone in the House with just the three ducks now. One thing we know is that at two. Am someone logged onto the security camera system with a laptop up computer and this allowed them to see what was happening inside of the House after twenty one minutes of watching the house. The person logged off so Middle Lane. Where the Almond House was had no street lights so once the house lights were turned off? It was super dark. You might might have a little light from the stars and the Moon. That's IT and so Mary. Listen to Ted's voicemail. Message Sunday morning she called but couldn't reach him on the house phone or on his cell fund so Sunday afternoon. She and a friend of hers drove out there and walked by the House. They saw his car but nothing else is going on there. She called the house phone again again. Got No answer and went back home that afternoon. A man driving Dante Street noticed too suspicious looking men when who is in camouflage clothing remember walking down the driveway. Danny Pelosi went to Tammy's house Sunday morning for his son's birthday and at two pm he it was at a family wedding that night he went back to generous townhouse in the city and Generoso would later claim that she and Danny had been there all weekend. Ted's house and cell phones actually rang several times on Sunday. Both his sister sandy and his business partner Mark Angel San an called repeatedly and got no answer. Mark Angels Sin was concerned. Winter didn't return from the Hamptons on Monday morning. He missed a meeting that morning that he he had arranged and was looking forward to so mark called. Sandy who lived in Alabama but she had also been trying to reach Ted without success. Ted's Ed's assistant also called him in Manhattan in Hampton and honest cellphone. He also had this special Internet beeper to send and receive emails House with her but he was totally unreachable. So then I guess the final Straw was when Mark learned that Ted hadn't shown to pick up his children from school. That made him really worried. He was so worried that he got a helicopter and he flew from Manhattan to Easthampton to check on his friend. So after landing landing in the Hamptons mark got a cab to pick him up the heliport and driving. Ted's house as he pulled into the long gravel driveway. He saw tedd silver Porsche parked in front one of the House. So Ted driven anywhere mark flood. Either Ted was off on a walker. He was dead. He parked behind the portion went to the front door which he knew. Ted Ted usually left unlocked because he was already concerned that someone killed his friend. Put on gloves before opening the door. The door was unlocked as mark. Let himself often and he called out. Ted's name no reply as he walked in further he submitted at the foot of the wide central staircase. He followed a trail of blood up the stairs to the master bedroom where he found. Ted's nude lifeless body on the bed. His head was obviously bludgeoned. Ted's three friendly dogs two goldens in a chocolate lab. Were downstairs looking nervous and confused so it was five. Nineteen that Monday when Mark Adelson called the East Hampton village. Police Andy told the operator he was reporting a murder. Ted's murder was actually the first in Easthampton. Since nineteen eighty two and the previous murder had been a drunken bar fight which led to a fatal stabbing so it was pretty open and shut the only other murder in the residence. Memories had occurred ten years before that one this time a reclusive theatre set designer had died in an arson fire but that case wasn't proven to be a murder. Investigators believed it could have suicide and the fire could actually have been set by the victim himself so anyway. The East Hampton village police are not experienced in murder investigations. They called in the Suffolk county homicide squad and they roped off the entire block. Officers were posted outside of the House as they waited for the homicide squad to arrive and take over. All of the doors of the house were found unlock. The burglar alarm had been shut off prior to the murder pending autopsy results. Ted's cause of death was repeated blunt force trauma to the head. He had defensive wounds to his hands and arms as well as cuts. What's the killer would have been covered in blood? The Rug and the wall beside the bed were soaked with blood. There was also that trail of drips of blood on the stairs stairs to the base of the stairs and even some on the living room rug then they even found a few drops on the rear patio which led investigators to wonder if the killer had exited through the rear of the House. Ted's body was room temperature. So this meant that he had probably been dead for an extended period of time. No murder Peter Weapon was found but the black red iron stand beside the fireplace was missing all the tools. So it's possible that one or more of these tools were the murder weapon right the blowpipe. The police also considered the possibility that there was more than one killer so the first canvassing. The neighborhood brought forth no witnesses. No one had seen anything or heard anything that whole weekend. No one had even heard the dogs barking. Why you know those goldens are sweet but no one ever called them? Good Guard dogs folks. No they just soon look your hand and face exactly although we did have one golden who could be vicious. Yeah mostly the other dogs that's tre. He likes people he did like people so the only reason criminal events in the area had been a series of indecent exposures by Amanda Locus called the Wiberg Org wanker hitmen senior Whiteboard beach flashing women masturbating and running away. He had been seen Friday morning around the corner from Ted's home. This was something suspicious but pretty unlikely that a flasher was responsible for the murder right. Crime scene experts collected evidence and dusted stood for fingerprints and later tests would show that there was a blood sample that did not belong to Ted. As well as several sets of unidentified fingerprints by Tuesday the house was swarming with TV crews and reporters Middle Lane where the house was was in one of the wealthiest areas of the Hamptons neighbors neighbors included Jerry Seinfeld and an exclusive. Golf course was less than a mile away. So this just wasn't a place where murders happened. The press release on Tuesday morning really gave up very little information but police did ask for the public's help to report anything suspicious. They may have seen that weekend in the area area then at eleven. Am Tuesday Danny. Pelosi was told about. Ted's death by Hampton contractor. He knew Danny asked the contractor. How Ted died but he didn't know lots rumor so one rumor was Ted had overdosed other rumors? Were there have been a crime of passion emitted by someone who'd been having sex x with Ted Otherwise. How could a stranger enter the house without setting off the alarm or without the dogs barking? Then there was the rumor that Ted had been a closeted homosexual taken someone rough home had been robbed and murdered two mile. Beach is known as a place where men looked for other men have sex with the to the people who knew Ted. The the homosexual story just didn't seem believable. He just did always seemed to be very into women and had never shown any interest in men sexually didn't mean it was impossible impossible but it seemed very unlikely a naked man had been reported seen running down the road nearby but remember that had been on Friday. That was before Ted ahead even arrived there and the naked man was believed to be the guy who had been exposing himself her whiteboard winker. That's his name so at two PM on Tuesday Newsday detective showed up at Generous Manhattan apartment and Danny was living there with her. Danny told the police that they couldn't talk to Jenna Rosa because because she didn't know yet the Ted was debt also. He said generosity divorce attorney had told him to get criminal lawyers before either of them spoke with the police. Now I believe in getting a lawyer but that seems a little quick. This is really preemptive. Isn't it yeah so by later that day generosity clearly knew the Ted was dead. She picked up the children. Were at Ted's apartment with his housekeeper and told them that their father had taken too much medicine and drank too much over the weekend and that he had died at the the Hampton House. Of course the kids cried. Generosity didn't appear to be very upset when it became public knowledge that Ted had been murdered. She told the kids may be one of of your father's boyfriends killed him yes. She's really kind of snot bag. Mr Pruitt wife and mother so you know. Investigators really couldn't immediately rule out that TED head hadn't been killed by a burglar even though nothing appeared to be missing when they learned about the rapid is security system in the house. They contacted the burglar alarm mm-hmm contractor to help them out in the investigation so rapid I was the secret video surveillance system and each camera ran on a ninety day. Loop so someone could watch the interior of the home remotely at any time. The system was actually hidden behind a wall in the safe room. And it worked off of Ted's Fax Line so when detectives went to find it in the safe room they found the entire video system had been ripped out and was just gone so of course. It was likely that Ted's killer had known about this system and had taken it on the night of the murder. which kind of whittle's the suspects down to someone that was working working on the house or someone that lived there? You know close friends. Someone had to know about it emerges stumble on that right so in addition to the contractor and the workmen who installed the system. Danny Pelosi knew about the system generosity and her lawyers also knew about it because she had been using using it to try and get dirt on Ted to help out with the divorce for awhile now. Generosity divorce lawyer refused to speak with the police about the divorce negotiations ends. She and Danny Hired Manhattan lawyer. Mike Shaw and he released a statement saying that generous denied any involvement in Ted's murder Generoso then fired Shah after he made the mistake of saying. The house was in Westhampton. Not Easthampton generosity said. That Westhampton was not really part of the Hamptons at all that was more for middle-class people in Beecham's. She said it was a place where she wouldn't be caught dead so he was fired. ooh Dear he yeah and then after that she was represented by his associate Michael Dowd and she paid for another attorney named Paul Bergman to represent. Danny you know the police investigated pretty much. Anyone who had anything to do with Ted his entire adult life the kept coming back to his angry wife and and her boyfriend they had a lot of money. So it's possible. They could have hired a hitman. Danny had a lengthy criminal. History may have been familiar with people who had killed for money. Yeah now this is really annoying. Generous Ahead Ted's dogs sent to the local animal shelter. Didn't even let the kids have them. Fortunately a police officer officer adopted one of them in the other two were adopted quickly to two families. I mean these are nice dogs sweet well trained and these new owners were thrilled to have them but it was sad for the kids who weren't given the option by their mother to keep them. They just lost their father. It might have been some comfort to them to keep those dogs crewmember. Just just you know. It seems very selfish like the kids weren't being thought of it all well author night but they probably have never been so. Ted's nineteen ninety nine. Audi was dropped off at a Manhattan Auto Body Shop with the keys left in the night dropbox carbon dropped there by Danny Pelosi's nephew. The shop manager was informed. That Danny wanted the car detailed inside out so this would include cleaning vacuuming shampooing and a chemical treatment on the interior surfaces and the following following week. Danny had another tense. 'cause detailed Danny had also given a Taser stun gun to his wife. Tammy he called his younger brother. Jim who was a policeman men and asked if it was a violation of his probation to own a Taser will of course it was and Jim said that he would get rid of it for Danny by dropping it in the dropbox doc. So the police station so in case you don't know the dropbox is a metal tube at police precincts were anyone who has an illegal weapon can drop a gun inside and no questions are asked after these weapons are checked to see if they're associated with any crimes. They're melted down then after about a week. The police were finished processing processing. Ted's house in generosity hired a cleaning company and had the rugs replaced I November. Sixth Danny was approached by a reporter porter and he was asked if he was involved in. Ted's murder he said to the reporter. Call my lawyer. which wasn't the best answer? Then he made a deal with the reporters if they wouldn't take pictures of the children or Generoso he would meet them at a convenience store and allow them to take his picture so the journalists agreed read and waited for Danny outside of that store but when Danny arrived he suddenly turned away and sped off and reporter was able to get the license plate number from this this vehicle and they learned that the car was still registered in. Ted's name so the next day that paper ran the headline latest sleigh. Twist other there man drives dead moguls car so that looked pretty trashy does doesn't it. It's not good so November fourteenth. Ted's will was read in the will. He left nearly his entire fortune generosity. She received all his financial assets with the exception of six hundred. Seventy seventy five thousand dollar tax exempt gift for his kids. The will is dated back in August. Nineteen ninety-five throughout the entire divorce proceedings. Ted Pet hadn't rewritten his will. This seemed like a pretty odd thing for someone with Ted Financial Knowledge to overlook. It's US I guess he was just waiting for the divorce first and then he was going to do it but it's kind of weird that he didn't think to do it sooner and nobody is worried that it was a forgery or something now because this was an old will you know Belk early in their marriage that had been written and so on January tenth of two thousand and two one day after Danny's divorce from Tammy was finalized I he and generosity got married in Queens afterwards. They flew with the children to her English estate. They had moved there to get away from the publicity the according to Danny but his past just kept catching up with him. In February he had to return to the US to go to court on September two thousand one Dui charge. He was ordered to surrender his passport and at the arraignment his psychiatric evaluations were red and they showed little promise for criminal rehabilitation. He was released on twenty five thousand dollars bail but he did remain the primary suspect in Ted almonds murder then generoso returned to the US with the twins so that they could be with Danny and his children and in the spring of two thousand two she was actually living with Danny in a pretty modest home in his home town on Long Island back before generosity had met Danny back when she and Ted were still relatively happy she. She had felt a lump in her left breast a recall that her mother died of metastatic breast cancer so this must have been pretty terrifying for her now. Her doctor had ordered a mammogram but she refused any follow. The doctor spoke with Ted about his concerns that the lump was malignant but when he tried to discuss it with generous she went ballistic. She would not discuss it but she told Ted that she would see another doctor. However there's absolutely no evidence she ever we did get any follow Medicare so in June two thousand and two she became ill with chest congestion and fever Danny took her to the doctor x Ray shadows shadows and her breasts lungs and kidneys so the cancer had spread throughout her chest and abdomen? Her lymph system had been invaded and the cancer was in a brain as as well. She's forty six years old pretty sad although I don't know why someone wouldn't get treatment or seek out some kind of worker. Yeah pretty not weird prefiguring. If she's that worried because of her family history you'd think she'd follow up. Well yeah even before feeling alum right. Yeah her grandmother also had died of cancer so there was definitely a strong history so of course this cancer was not curable noted the stage. No I know but she could have some radiation and chemotherapy. That would extend her life but she was still very resistant to that. She told Danny and her children that had had conspired to keep her illness from her so that she would die so it was all Ted's fault her when she finally did agree to get chemo as she also also made up a new will and in his will she left everything to Danny and excluded the kids from the will amazing when Dani learned about got the new well. He told her that it just wasn't right not to take care of her kids and also he thought they would give the police a motive for Ted's murder so generous went back to her lawyer. Change the will again. This time. She left one third of her estate to Danny and two-thirds to her kids yes so in July generous and the children moved back to the house. In Hampton were Ted had been murdered there British Nanny Katherine Main. Who went by K.? was designated as their Guardian and she had been hired originally early as a housekeeper back in nineteen ninety nine but she generosity had become pretty close. She was kind of like a mother to Genera- Danny spent time with the children. Any also took care of Generoso but then he had to spend more time working on preparations to defend himself against a potential murder. Charge for Ted Amun because that was pretty much becoming inevitable. So it's looking more and more like he's GonNa get charged. Yes so K.. Took over more responsibilities in helping generous in the kids. Generoso is often confused partly from the cancer that had spread and parley from the large amounts of pain medication and alcohol. She is consuming consuming and Danny has served time in jail for Dui charges and for larceny charge that he got for rewiring his house in order to steal power from the Electric Electric Company. So once Danny Generous weren't living together generosity relied more and more on K.. And she decided that her children should get most of her money and she didn't want to leave money to Danny anymore so she had a new will drawn up. And that didn't mention Danny. Her lawyers also told her that she shouldn't leave a convict to take care of her kids. And also Danny had been asking for money and he about cars with money for at least two of his relatives. He went to Las Vegas for a long weekend. Kende and Generoso heard from a friend that he has seen with another woman so she's getting abandoned again. Yes but her illness and the pressure from Ted's murder order investigation of course took a toll on that relationship and they were the prime suspects. Generous did love Danny but she said she couldn't live with him he was just you know not honest and there are a lot of problems so she spent her final weeks in the East Hampton House with K and with her children and she became very isolated. She and Danny eventually were estranged. She had found out that he also gambled away a lot of her money and she didn't trust Justin with the children anymore. So in Ted Sisters Sandy offered to take care of the twins. Generosity said no way so she chose K to take custody of her children after her death but the problem was the kids didn't really like K- when they learned that she would be there fulltime Guardian. They were upset about it. I guess she was pretty tough. Tough on them like when they had a bad grade or they misbehaved. She'd make them do chores around the house and take away their TV and their computers also the children NFL like they could never talk to their mother without K.. Being they're kind of hovering around in controlling things but generous wanted K to have the children but she also wanted the money to be controlled by her attorney so she arranged for that. Sandy tried to contact Greg. Who went by Greg now so greg and Alexa for two years? After Ted's murder she sent them birthday and Christmas gifts but generous sent them all back so as far as the children new their aunt. Sandy and uncle. Bob Didn't care about them. Sandy had an attorney and she was trying to have the children come live with her after generous. 's death so they we're able to get the children's passports seized and held to prevent K.. From taking them back to England at least and generous died in the hospital on August. Twenty second two thousand three. She's forty seven years old Danny heard about her death from generous attorney now he believed that K- hit assisted deter to kill herself. He went to the funeral home and viewed her body he was upset because there is no autopsy to document the amount of drugs in her system. He was certain unclear. Wanted her dead before she could change your will again. Well Danny Kaye did not get along and he really thought that cages wanted generous it to die plus. He was mad that Kay was going to get the kids in the money. I'm sure Berkeley so Danny went out to the funeral home and claimed generous ashes and he took them with him to the Stanhope Hotel and had a drink at the bar with her ashes and this was something she had asked him to do before she died apparently but he the order beer in a cosmopolitan and he sat there with the box of ashes. Now there in a cardboard box so in some kind of effort to show respect he draped a white Napkin over the bucks. were very respectful right but generosity lawyer was pretty angry when he heard what Danny had done. According according to Danny he was just following his wife's final wishes but then picture of Danny at the bar with her ashes ended up in. The newspaper looked pretty bad. The headline it line read Pelosi Toast ashes of wife in a bar where they met raw lemon. If that's what she wanted. I say whatever. It is a little weird Ed especially considering the circumstances are guess right. Yeah so the court made k the permanent guardian of the ammon twins she. She didn't allow them to go to the memorial service that had been arranged by Danny and his family Greg was sent away to boarding school and Alexa remain in East Hampton with K.. And and went to an exclusive private school. The kids wrote a letter to the judge in the custody case saying that they disliked gay and did not want to live in the house where their father had have been killed. So there is a hearing to determine whether K would maintain custody or whether sandy and Bob Williams would become the children's guardians generosity had left nothing to Danny. She set up a life estate for K which gave her the right to live in the Hampton House for the rest of her life. Both of the kids said that they would rather uh-huh Danny Pelosi He. That's the funny thing. is they really liked. Danny Allot he was good with the kids. And that seems kind of like to Danny was he could be quite charming. Kids liked him but he was kind of a scumbag on the other end of things and probably not above killing Ted. The way I see it. Your your root beer. So generous estate totaled thirty. Five million Danny had gotten two million Ted's money which he was using to defend himself and his friends as suspects intends. Ted's murder which is very strange. He had also hired attorneys for a lawsuit. To overturn a post nuptial agreement and generous 's final will so as a result hated and get her one million dollars at least not right then then a grand jury was held. Ted's murder and K testified. That Danny ahead confessed to her that he did kill Ted. So as the pressure was stepping up in the media Danny began to go on network. TV shows and announce his innocence. Yes and you know he came across this kind of a clown and very cavalier about the whole situation. That's not a surprise now so j. p. Morgan Chase filed a twenty million dollar wrongful death suit against Danny claiming that he had murdered Ted. This case was held in abeyance until the criminal trial could be completed. Danny claimed he was broke. He spent his whole two million dollar post-nuptial payment on attorney's fees. Well I mean just is the fact that he's using money that Ted earn to defend himself for killing. Ted is tough to swallow so even though Danny's claiming to to be poor he was still living the life. He found a pretty new girlfriend and took her in a whole group of friends to Hawaii in January of two thousand four the day. After are they checked into the Maui. Mariot an eighteen year old girl fell off of a balcony in the hotel to her death but Danny seemed unfazed by this and he even made jokes folks that he might become a suspect in the girl's death. Your rooster comedian right. So in March of two thousand four Danny was arraigned for for the second degree murder of Ted Amun and he was held without bail and just before his trial began in September. Two thousand four the lead prosecutor Janet Albertson alleged that Pelosi had threatened her children that he tampered with a juror and that he admitted to committing the crime so the trial was delayed as they argued over. These new charges of attempting to intimidate witnesses influence a juror criminal solicitation and conspiracy Danny and he was charged with directing his now fiancee Jennifer to deliver five hundred dollars in cash to a woman at a McDonald's as part of the payment a down payment have witnesses assaulted and threatened and Jennifer had been caught on a prosecution videotape handing over that cash. Oh so then. Jennifer testified against Danny at the grand jury to get immunity from this so opening statements on the case began October thirteenth. Not The prosecutor said that generosity three million dollar townhouse building loan was about to come do right after Ted's murder so when Ted was was killed she was very desperate for money. The defense brought up the theory that a homosexual encounter was what actually led to Ted's murder and the forensic evidence just wasn't clear at didn't incriminate or exonerate Danny Prosecution. Witnesses were the focus of the trial and they held up to cross examination quite right well. Danny's father Bob actually testified and he said that daddy had asked him to get rid of something on the weekend of Ted's murder Bob hadn't asked him him what it was because he didn't want to know he said but he had declined but Danny had later told him that a friend of his had taken care of it for him then there was an old friend of Danny's who testified that about a year before. Ted's murder Danny got drunk and told him he is GonNa Kill Ted for his money. He said he was gonNA leave his wife Life Mary generosity and then go back to Tammy after he is rich. He said he's going to bash in Ted's brains while his sleeping then one of Danny's former girlfriends testified mystified that three days after Ted's murder Danny came to her apartment and asks her life for him because generosity was going to frame him for Ted's murder so this old girlfriend girlfriend agreed to give them a phony by 'cause she still in love with him but when she saw he was engaged degeneracy she changed her mind. She said she headed the Danny told her that generous zero at the time of the murder as well as a friend of Danny's and his nephew jeff who drove the getaway car so the defense claim. I'm that a pubic hair. Belonging to someone else had been found on Ted's body and it had mysteriously gone missing but then a forensic scientists testified the heron. Ted's shoulder was actually his own growing out of his own skin. So that was another thing one. Other big witness for the prosecution was K- The nanny. She testified that Danny had come home drunk one night and he had confessed to the murder telling her how touted begged for his life and how he had beaten him over and over supporting to K- Danny also threatened her life. Then there were jailhouse snitch. is who testified against Danny. Just as the case was wrapping up Danny decided to to testify in his own defense. This was kind of a shocker. But he seemed very confident. His lawyers were not confident. His attorney asked him just a few questions and Danny denied being the murderer and denied being an east Hampden. Then when cross examination came about he did not hold up well at all he he tried to turn on the charm even telling a few jokes as he testified and none of the jurors were amused most of them had looks of distaste and disgust on their faces sis. He admitted that generous had asked him to kill Ted but he said that he had refused so that was a bad decision. We'll usually it is usually yeah well enclosing. The prosecutor tore apart the defense's claim that all of the witnesses had conspired to frame Danny. After after the jurors began their deliberations. They asked that Danny's cross examination be read back to them and then the day after that they came back with their verdict so it was December thirteenth. Two Thousand Four. When Danny Pelosi was found guilty of murdering Ted Ammon and he was sentenced to twenty five years to life in in prison that same year? Ted Almond sister. Sandra Williams was awarded custody of the twins. The twins went to visit Sandy and Bob Williams and just I loved him they thought wow you know a house can be like this because these were you know normal happy people even a nice stable life in a reasonable house this none of this craziness and the kids loved it and actually ended up being very happy with sandy and Bob so it was nice that they got to stay in the family. Your was nice that they had competent parents. Yeah Right Ain't sandy had had children. She was also a grandmother and she said into the New York magazine at the time. The point is that we can provide the most loving stable home for them. No question and it's absolutely what their father would have wanted. and Danny Pelosi's friend and former employees. Christopher Perino plead guilty to win count of hindering the prosecution and one count of criminal facilitation for his part in Ted Amines murder. Yes I guess he'd been along with the nephew jeff and in the car but apparently didn't know anything about a murder happening at least not beforehand right that his own sentencing hearing in two thousand six Perino testified that he drove with Danny to Ted Amines home on the night of the murder. He he said Danny planned to confront Ted about the divorce. He also claimed he saw Danny run from the East Hampton home that night with blood on his clothes saying he got into a fight with Ted head and he thought Ted was dead. Parental was sentenced to just six months in jail. which is you know pretty crummy you know who are these people that participate Peyton murder and only get a few months? It's just like that woman. In the Kelsey Berith case that crystal was Husson plea deal worked out but the most she could get is a very short amount of time about this guy six months or did he work out a deal with the police for testify or something. Well Yeah I'm sure he did because he did testify. Okay so seven years after Danny Pelosi was convicted of murdering Ted Gregg Allman. Ted Sun produced a documentary which he titled Fifty Fifty Nine Middle Lane and this is basically about the kids going back to the Hamptons and back to the Ukraine and finding their family family from the Ukraine and they talk a little bit about Danny and missing their father and his kind of an interesting documentary. Danny has appealed his conviction shing and has claimed that his wife Genera- and former employees Christopher Perino are the ones who were really responsible for the murder but perino denies any involvement Waldman in the murder and he says that Pelosi is ruined his life. Some fascinating case so many twists and turns to it. The references for this case are forty eight hours of two episodes about the case. There's also an episode of Crimewatch daily. There's a book about the case titled Almost Paradise Thais by Kieran Crowley and then of course the documentary that Greg Almond made. That was made eight years. 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Onto feedback I have a couple of voicemails. I don't know two or three emails. So the first voicemail is from rob some comments that he wanted to make or high deck and Joel My Name's Robert Mug of retired position in Ontario and This is really directed deck. I just want to say that. I'm really impressed with with your ability to express the medical viewpoint on a number of these cases and I've listened to a lot of your podcast and I really find that your medical interpretations are right on the money and much much better than most. Let's say I can completely respect. Act What you say and I agree with what you say for the most part and I'm really pleased that a pediatrician on Hud cast is able to be so rational and disallowed and so much a you know a good member of the profession. So my sincere congratulations. You guys were putting out a good podcast and Dick for being a very rational a member of the profession thanks. I didn't pick that just because he was giving praise. I know you were kind of embarrassed but I think it's just nice to get some backup so people know that you are pretty on target while so it's nice to hear from fellow physician absolutely and I think some of my ability to communicate is because early in my career. I did a lot of teaching taught. Medical Students I taught interns and residents. I I have had a lot of opportunity back in the day as we say for interacting with people and trying to make sure that they had a good understanding of what ever knowledge is is trying to impart to them. Well I think that's just great and you deserve some nice feedback there so great you know. This is even though everything. I taught kids about genetics. Many years ago is false as new things have been discovered that you that may well. You can't help that progress. I'm I'm sure a lot of the things we believe now will be proven false as well. You Bet it's the way it works. So our next voicemail is from Jordan Jordan has a case suggestion. Hello my name is Jordan. I'm from Simi Valley California. I have a case suggestion for you. it's the case of Elliot Rodger. E. Was a twenty two year. Your old who opened fire on people and Santa Barbara he attended a SBC back in twenty fourteen and he was very lonely and shy kid and He grew up in well. His father was a second unit director for the First Hunger Games movie and he felt that he was privileged privileged to everything in life and when he didn't get what he wanted he would throw tantrums and eventually he threw a big temper. Tantrum on May Twenty third twenty fourteen eighteen by going on a mass shooting and Santa Barbara killing a six P pulled. The case was very interesting to me because it happened. Pretty close to me and the thing thing is that I had a friend of a friend who was friends with his sister Georgia and said that he was a very recluse of shy kid and yeah I do have a suggestion. I don't really drink beer. More of a Scotch guy myself but there's a popular beer. Were near where I live. It's eight Oh five. It's like a dark dark bureau. Believe my friend who lives in cameo is a huge fan of it. So that's my beard suggestion and again the case is About Elliot Elliot Rodger. He was a twenty two year old. He committed suicide after committing the massacre. It's one of the most least talked about school shootings in US history because the body count was so alot but his presence his is a whole presence was felt because you know he left behind a One hundred and forty one page manifesto. Oh you can find it online. It's called my twisted world. You look if you just type in my twisted World Google you will find a pdf of manifesto one hundred forty one pages going Rome. His childhood all the way to to his adulthood where it starts off nice and then he ends up becoming a deranged killer and eventually in between times recluse he gets addictive new Games and P pretty much isolates himself but he blames other people for a social isolation which makes a nonsense that character and the fact that he killed six people also makes it that to sell off. Those are my suggestions Hope you have a great day bye. So we've heard of this case I don't know if it's been suggested by someone else else before or we just remember the kind of the details as it's not that long ago five or six years ago he went on this killing spree in two thousand fourteen I. He stabbed his two college roommates to death in their apartment and also killed a friend of theirs. Who is visiting then? He hung out for a few hours then drove to a sorority house as he was planning on killing all the sorority girls in the house. I do remember this. And this was terrifying thing for parents especially the parents and students exactly but he never he couldn't enter the sorority so he hung outside. He shot three women outside the House and killed two of them then. He drove growth to a deli in town and shot and killed just a random person then he drove throughout the town shooting at random people. Finally he crashed into a parked car and killed himself while he was driving throughout the town. He didn't kill any any other people when he further people six is the body chemistry and said and I think it would definitely be interesting. Not just doing his case at had loved to read his manifesto. Well I mean this is like the story of school shooter pretty much. So it's a whole kind of psychological problem in personality in a lot of these cases. You're right yeah case. I think it might be worth talking about. So thank you very much Jordan. What about the beer here? The Beer Adl five is a nice beer. Firestone Walker Brewing Company does it. I'm not sure I don't think I've ever had any of eight. Oh five five. I've had a ton of firestone Walker Beer Snake di Dum Nice beers so might be a good beer to put in an episode. Oh look for that. Okay if I think if we do this episode I would definitely do eight. Oh five as the beer okay. Great so I have a youtube case suggestion from Bobby and Rhonda and Dan. This message is pleased. Review the case of Dr Dirk Grinder. I'm a true crime aficionado and this crime was riveting. He had it all but threw it away in order to free himself for a life of shocking lust and depravity may Greiner was beaten and nearly decapitated while walking with her husband in a park in nineteen ninety nine her husband a renowned was found guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison in two thousand eleven. So the motive was that may had discovered. Her husband was was having sex with prostitutes and that he was addicted to Internet pornography. Wound us a cross dresser. Okay so he had a lot of secrets she knew about them and he killed her and said that it was done by a random person. I guess you're he said that. She twisted her ankle or something so he worked on Hato to stay there. Go ahead and get some help and snuck back can killed her. Wow this was in broad daylight. This is pretty ballsy at it. Is it's horrific. So yeah definitely. That's A. That's a good suggestion. I think that could have a lot to talk about. With that case your we could be Russa Harvard. Harvard Medical School worked at Brigham and Women's Children's hospital is a big deal. That's amazing so we have a case suggestion from K.. Redo so K.. Okay says I love the show I have a case. I'd love to hear your opinion on to bit different than most of the cases you've done but I think it's very interesting. It also touches on some hut but N- issues in short a college student had a physical altercation with a group of other college students. And nobody's really badly injured and he walked across a large parking lot to his car. Where retrieved his gun he then returned to the group of students and shot them one died several were injured and one witness? This later killed himself and the question at trial was self defense and murder. Thanks for the consideration as in any good college under. Let's brewers in flagstaff I'll share. I'm sure you're familiar with some of us are think so I mean this kid was in attendance at I think it's northern Arizona University. Something like that. He was a freshman when this happened. He had a sounds familiar to me too. I think I heard about that in the news. Here this isn't too too old either. So thank you. That's a great suggestion. Yes John K yes. I think we'll look into that one or go to see how much info I get. Okay sounds good. Well thank you everyone for listening. We really appreciate appreciate it and we'll see you next time at the quiet end. We'll be waiting for you by by goes. 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