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Survivor 39 Episode 8 Recap with Kelley Wentworth

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Survivor 39 Episode 8 Recap with Kelley Wentworth

"Everyone's been on Rob Rob Cicirino here to talk about this merge episode of survivor and it's been a episode that has gotten atten national media attention really attention from all around the world and unfortunately not for the right reasons with that two hour episode. I I am very excited. That we have an amazing guests to talk about everything that's happening in the world of survive right now with and that would be the three time. AM At legend of the game. Kelly Wentworth is gonNA join us to talk about everything that she saw last night and help to make sense of where this game aim is right now and the real world implications of what we saw with that situation last night involving Kelly and Dan and Janet and and all the other players that were involved. So that's what we have coming up for you today. Last night I had the great joy to say it was July. It was a pleasure to get talk about the episode last night with Shannon Gates. Who was really incredible to have an expert? It's such a Shannon and somebody who was so articulate to be able to speak to it. I heard from a lot of people that Shannon really helped them feel better in terms of processing. What what we all saw on Wednesday night? So if you haven't had a chance to look at that. She did an incredible job of talking everything through with me from Wednesday night and no exit interviews yet. As I was told the other day we're going to have exit interviews coming on Monday or Tuesday of next week but we haven't nailed down that time and also have the feedback show coming up later on this weekend where I'm going to break format a little bit and I'm going to be joined by the first lady podcasting Nicole System. You know we're GONNA get into some of your feedback questions about the episode about this entire situation and then I'm also trying to align up A few other interviews with different experts that can speak to everything. That's going on so be on the lookout for the feedback show over the weekend. Last night I one of the things with everything on that I did not make clear was I brought up the wiggle. Go Room and the Wanda off. That had an announcement to make. But I was going to say that. We are not going to do a Wanda for this week. so He'd get some tweets about about how there was some confusion about that and we're there was josh were trading some ideas about like. There's something else we can do. That was not related to the episode. But I think that we're going to hold off on that and the wander off will resume next week that that would be the the Best idea and be on the lookout for the return of the wand off coming up on next week's wiggle room before we get into talking with Kelly. I do need to take care of one piece of business and so why don't want to take an interruption with Kelly and let me. Just thank our sponsor sponsor for this episode of the PODCAST. 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Please welcome Kelly Wentworth Kelly. How are you? I'm good. How are you just really singing? Half this is a big milestone ten seasons in San Juan del Sur. It's it's crazy. It feels like yesterday. Yeah Good Times at San Juan del. Seriously let me tell you a good time San Juan del Sur and Boy Kelly. Did you ever think that we would hear boy. Remember the good old days of survivor edge of extinction. No so happy doc in season yeah I I saw post on reddit today. That's like boy I just. I can't wait until Rick Devon's and Chris Underwood's show up comeback in the season. Wow Okay I'll take hair. Yeah so the people are saying saying that you know that you don't knock it because you don't know what's around the corner with survivor. Hey you never know I have seen I've seen a lot of tweets And I have seen a few kind of funny ones you know in between all the serious ones and yes some people are saying some some funny things like you know maybe maybe we should have slept on thirty nine. It's you know it's really not funny. Sure on because of everything that happened last night but sometimes you just need a a little humor in these tough moments. Yeah appreciate what Kelly. I really appreciate you being here to talk about all this stuff. That's going on in survivor. I know this isn't the I time to talk. Talk about the show but I just feel like that. You're such a great person to talk to because so much sort of people have respect for you and everything you've accomplished in the game and being such a strong woman that's been on the show and so many young women look up to you so I really appreciate you taking some time to talk about something. That's not a fun thing to talk about. Yeah I mean. We couldn't have predicted. This would be the episode You know I like to come on here and and joke and have fun and we laugh about things and it's unfortunate sometimes that these Tough issues come up but I do think it's also important talk about them and You know not always fun but we'll sort through some stuff tonight and I didn't go back and watch the episode today reluctantly. Currently I really it was. It was painful the first time and so going back again. It was Even tougher knowing what was coming. But I think we'll do our best to get through it and you just talk about some of those important things. Yeah I had the chance to talk about the episode on Wednesday night. I right after an air tonight. What what it seems like the hard part about this is it's really two fold or probably like tenfold? But there's has all the the unpleasant and terrible things that happened in the episode but then I think that also for so many of the of the women women listeners that I've heard from that many many people say this is also terrible because it reminded me of this thing that happened to me this time and that's why it was especially hard to watch somebody else going through a situation like the one that I went through. Yeah I think that's fair fair. I think in this. You know the time we're n people are feeling like they can come forward and talk about stuff we should want like people people should feel comfortable to be able to save something happened and You know I've had instances in my life where things have happened and I was even my husband and I were having a conversation not not super recently but in the time we've been together he's like hey like. Has Anything ever happened to you and I was like well actually there was this one time. It's one thing happened and It's just a really important topic and I am all about girl power whereas you know And so I just I think it's it's definitely interesting when we're watching survivor were thinking. It's just a television show. Oh but it is bigger than that. There are things that come up. And we've seen a lot about this season and There was some interesting gameplay in this episode as well and obviously Veasley some controversy controversy around how people played the game and we're going to get into that But at the end of the day yeah this is real life the real people and these are real issues that we are dealing with and it's just important to talk it through when you watch the episode of the second time. was there anything that jumped jumped out to you. The second time around that you weren't necessarily thinking on the first viewing well. There's a lot to unpack You know after the first episode like man that was really really brutal and then begin to the second one and I was like. Oh Oh wow this is the cisco really really bad I think when I was able to go back and watch the second time I was really kind of able to analyze and look like every single scene and how things happened happened the way they happen and and Look at the things that people were saying because I knew what happened source to really look at the conversations and I I was I think my first thing I wanna say is that I just am so proud of Janet. I mean a lot of people are proud of her but really she was is really one of the only people who made a decision based on the the moral decision. Nana game is not a selfish decision. You know and I think that that's really hard to do and survivor. And I think that's even hard to do in life. Sometimes they're La Times. We see things happening or we hear about something. And we don't talk about it and we don't know what to say and so. I was just so impressed with her and just applauding her. And I felt so bad for her and and When I watched the second time it was even worse because it just was like just felt so wrong and upsetting and felt like it was going to cry for her when she was at tribal in like? I just don't know if I want to. I really tried to do the right thing. People were telling me and it backfired and she was isolated. And that's it's awful. It's terrible feeling really terrible herbal John and I think the second thing which we'll talk about is just kind of the The game play of In particular regular Missy and Elizabeth and the strategy. I guess they're Just upsetting but one thing I do want to say. I think it's important like we are all people We all make mistakes. I'm not perfect. I am done things to hurt people in the past I think that we all you know. We don't have to accept the behavior but I think we have to just Try and work through. Let you know it's like when you say sorry for something you can truly be sorry. That doesn't make the behavior okay. But I think it's just important. I've seen a lot of stuff online. That's really really negative and understandably people are charged up right like it is a really hot topic and there were a lot of things that were wrong But I think we just need to have have an open mind and and Just understand that. I'm sure every person. Listen every person in the world has made a mistake some are larger than others. But we just You know have to look at look at every angle. Yeah it's a very tricky situation and we've seen Social media posts from a lot of the different players today some of them The some apologies and then also with that specifically Kelly and also Jamal and Janet you know ask that You know please please. Don't make personal attacks about the other people that are in the game and you know just be mindful painful. These are also people that are going through this experience. And I know that's something that has been a part of all all these different seasons that you've played on. It is easy to forget that we're dealing with real. Human beings throughout this whole process will no way defending anyone's actions nations. Because you know we'll we'll get into this whole thing and there was a lot. That was wrong but I do. You know like you're saying it's it's like just projecting hate on people doesn't get us anywhere her mom that doesn't create change and so we just need to figure out how to be better. We can all be better so apologies is a nice first step for people that probably need. Knowledge is after this week on the show. Telly the I I want to mention. You know your your fellow Kelly that this terrible night that she ended up having on the show the thing that jumped out to me on my second viewing was when she's sitting there and she's talking with the producer and she's talking about how she feels and and she's talking about that the similarity between the game and the workplace or real-life and she talks about how you know there are always as consequences for standing up as it's going to affect you and that was just so powerful for too here and then knowing she's going to get voted out of the game and that's directly because she was the person who stood up but I I'm I'm sure that it wasn't zero percent because of the things that she was talking about the other players. Yeah it's tough because when I went back on a reaction and you know I think that even just beginning scene where we have nohra back at Camp after tribal and Jamal saying you know who are you talking about what are you talking about. Why do you go jack and she mentions Kelly and so I feel like immediately from the jump of the episode? You know Kelly's got this target were seen as a strong player and then we go into the merge and We see again. You know Tommy and learner talking about her as this really smart strategic player and I do feel like that was separate from what was going on so I I. It's IT'S A. It's a tough balance to know. You know what she voted out because of this I don't think so But it was an interesting comment and yes of course with the result. It's Kinda like wow you know. That's it's really unfortunate right. Where it got really complicated was is that she was talking about that? We should go after missy to Tommy into Lauren and then that information got passed around on and then I I do wonder if there there was some confusion about like is is Kelly potentially manipulating uh-huh MRIs feelings about how she was feeling to try to as Lauren was saying that she's trying to make you feel comfortable so that she can vote you out and then I think that to the people that were voting against her which happens often on survivor that the person you're voting against does become vilified that I think that it was easier easier to get on board with voting her out. Yeah and I you make a good point. Nothing something that when I went back and watched it and we're talking about this. I think that that conversation. MM precision that Kellyanne missy had was genuine. I do think that they both were feeling that way. I do not not moment think that missy was looking at that as a gay move. I don't think Kelly was looking at that as a game moves people saw that I generally thought that was to people talking about something they both felt. And you know. I didn't in any way think that that had to do the game. I could be wrong. That was just my understanding of it as I was watching I I think what happened. When you know missy and Lauren are talking and Lauren finds out missy finds out that Kelly's targeting her It's like well now. You've had this really personal conversation and you just feel like you just get defensive like you're gonNa feel like wow like I really thought I was connecting with if someone I thought we were on the same page with this really tough topic now I do feel like maybe that wasn't real and it's just just hard that's just the human feeling like wow I feel like maybe I'm getting played so I think that it's understandable than that missy is wanting to target Kelly And it's just it's You know I I think I think we all would have liked to see like a clean sweep on a Dan. Vote like let's get on the same page and like there's just you know he's causing having so many kinds of issues here and people are feeling this way but because of all these other things going on with the target being put on people I think it just it was too much to overcome. And that's what was also so frustrating about everything that we saw aware that there was the opportunity to send out the person who who was at the root of all of this talk in the game and then not only that then Kelly ends up with all of those idols and not one two and she ends up going home with them. And you know he dan. I think also you know very difficult to watch. Dan's reactions actions to Kelly being voted out where a gut punch that was that was over. The top Yang really dislike like that a lot again. It was really uncomfortable right like he seemed to have a disdain for her. Yeah exactly knowing knowing everything that she had had gone through and talked about and then the idle thing on top of it it just it was not a good look also on the rewatch really elite jumped out to me the way that missy Elizabeth talked about what what they were going to do once it started to be. There was word that okay. Janet is getting very protective. Missy and Elizabeth talked about how. Hey when Janet talks to you make sure you play up how offended you are about how inappropriate Dan was and I feel like an episode. With many wrongs. This this was also a problem. This was this was bad this was bad and I will tell you on the I I watch I I didn't really catch it I was listening and watching but I didn't really notice it as much Watching really paying attention. This was a nod. Not a great scene Because obviously you see two people who are using a topic that is It's crossing a line. It's not appropriate to that. You know we we. We've seen survivor. You know people have have sworn their children or their their marriage or for now said that their grandmother died but this is just like a completely crossing the line. We just should not even be going here and so it was really uncomfortable. Comfortable to seek them talking together and strategizing about it as offering something to use the tool because it was very real to Kelly. And that's what matters okay like she felt this way and we saw flashbacks she. It was real and so to take somebody's truth the end and and what happened and to turn it into something to for your game it's it's not it's not okay. Yeah it was and yeah and it got worse later on as we know about but Yeah that was. That was a lot or play question from one of our listeners. Matthew you who has a question about the tribal council the Second Council of this week from Chicago I just finished watching the really heavy episode road and My question for you guys is considering that this is somewhat of an issue where women can be silenced When I know it breaks from survivor tradition? But you in. Kelly should've been allowed to tell her story in that second. Tribal Council from a jury It's really troubling that. She was made stay silent. Hello everybody was able to talk except for her and on top of that In that second driver council the person who could probably most eloquently speak about these issues in has spoken about these issues this is. Jamal was voted out In now assuming these issues continue of the people who can probably speak the best about it will be forced besides you special circumstance like this. Those roles should be broken or do you think they should stay the same just curious. Thanks Enjoy the show by Kelly. This was something that was really really jumped out at me. The second time I watched the episode that the Second Tribal Council which really turned into general everybody talking about whether what if Janet did something wrong and people really piling on Janet and then it turned into into a weather or not. Dan Actually did something if Janet is lying about about stuff that Dan did when other people would have seen it. If if if Dan had been doing something wrong that it really was very of upsetting that Kelly was right there and and I know that you've been a part of two different juries and I know it is against the Protocol of survivor. But do you feel like they should have let Kelly tell her story at that tribal council. This is a tough question. I know I. It's really question I should the answer. I think that I'm going to say yes. But I'm going to say that it's a slippery slope I think that yes. It should have been more of A. Hey did this happen. You know yes or no and a you know maybe a brief comment on it. I just I. It's hard because you don't want it to turn into a back and forth for thirty minutes minutes She is out of the game at this point. But it's a super important topic that goes beyond this game so it's like where do you step thin and and allow her to say something So my answer would be. Yes however there would have to be boundaries. I guess or how long or what you just couldn't take over. I guess maybe that's the wrong answer but it it that's really thinking on it right now and it's it's a tough one. You weren't such uncharted territory. And I just feel like that. So much is at stake with all of this. Where if Dan feels like he's being you know falsely accused? He should want you talk to Kelly. Please like tell tell tell them what happened. And if there's any question about this I feel like that. She should should be able to and not necessarily like be able to speak openly at the travel council but I feel like that. She's she's right there and then too because it got so ambiguous of well. Did something actually happen or not. And so many people defending Dan that I feel like that would have helped to have her be able to speak especially that the imagery of a woman being silenced. Also she's literally right there that that would've helped with how how this all ended up going down. Yeah I think if we're talking about Dan saying that hey. I didn't know I was doing this. I didn't do this and you. You know. If he felt that way men. Why would he not want her to say this or explain it? Because he's saying Oh and being. I'm being made out to me this person so that I'm not which I mean. That's a different topic. But then we've got this other side of people accusing using Janet of lying. Not Saying they didn't know Kelly side or I didn't know the magnitude of situation so yet does seem like had. This is a good time to just. Maybe you take five minutes and just figure out what's going on here and also that when this the confrontation that happens after the first tribal council where Dan ends up having the confrontation with with Janet. Hey this is what the the women told me and and he's kind of incredulous about that and they have that confrontation where they ended up getting everybody together I yeah. I don't know why Dan isn't more upset with missy and Elizabeth who basically tell him. Well we exaggerate it like. Why would you do that? Why would you why would you go? Why why are you telling saying that I that I was disease inappropriate things like? I don't want you to do that like we were just lying saying about it like no no no this still bad that entire that for me of all the uncomfortable parts of the episode that for me those five minutes or ten minutes of the episode were the roar the absolute worst. Because you have someone who is saying. I stood up for people bull. Even though it wasn't great for my game I was doing what I thought was the right thing to do. And then you have these other two people who now we have seen them say that it's a game play. Hey we're going to you know. Tell Janet that yeah we were on the same page feel uncomfortable you know go and Tallow Lane this and and let's just make sure that their story and we see that and then we see these as people go basically saying the Dan like. Oh we all did that because we wanted her off our back. We love the next in the shelter. It just the the real the problem is that this is just a step back for women like it's just so bad to to lie about something like this because we're we're this really does happen to people and it's not okay to turn this into something where we're like. Oh there's just a game move and You know we just anything to protect ourselves and now we're telling Dan like no. You're great we love you. It's all good like what Jif so it's chest so wrong. It's just the wrong and yeah as far as dance dance wanted you. Yeah why would he not like. He's Bazeley getting bought at Janet as you not looking at these other two people will like. Hey you Elizabeth. You just admitted that you said that Janet like even if it was gameplay. That's not gameplay that's okay with me they can't take my you know me and how I am. Yeah make me look like a bad guy. He's just like we just saying like. Yeah it's fine like I knew you guys like it's all good. It's all her. She's a bad person. Like why isn't falling on Janet more favorable. Yeah Oh aw it was a very hard like there was. This was so everything. Everything was so it was cringe-worthy and like we're kind of you know kind of we're not laughing you know we're GonNa like Oh God but it's just so true like how can you sit there and I don't know if it got to this point then we're talking about game side of it if you know missy thin or or Elizabeth then felt like well. Now we've got this big group and so I'm just GonNa go with the group open. Say that yeah like well against Janet now right. 'cause there's always that kind of group INC and you WANNA be with a larger groups voted out so it's like you kind of sit there and say we'll maybe you you know. Maybe they did it because they saw larger group and they didn't want to be on the outs Janet but it doesn't Mahbubur like it's still not okay so it it just doesn't matter. Yeah bad bad bad. Do you think that this type of an incident could potentially change the way that people people look at the game where the cliff future players see an incident like this and they see how Janet was trying to stand up for. What what she believes in and look Janet's probably not GonNa win the game and the million dollars would be nice? I think we would both agree with with that but at some point. Isn't it better to like make the right moral decision and and come in ninth then to like you know basically look like a not so great person on TV and coming fifth and guess it depends on who you ask I just just such a such a tough one I I do. I think even guess. We're guitar because even Kelly herself said. Hey you know. I despise Dan. But it's a game for a million bucks So I'm going to do it. I have to do. She had that mentality. Obviously other people had AH DOT mentality and I don't know if it's just the game itself where you get in this mindset where you're you know you're hungry and you're tired and you're just thinking about about all the suffering you have and you're looking at the in game and you're just in that like I would do anything mode But I would say that I would probably want to come mm-hmm and might be looked at as a person then come in near the end and look really bad But again we have to just just. This is like a teaching moment owning mobile APP to look and see and and Is recognize where you know for those people where they were wrong and hopefully hopefully genuinely apologetic for it. Because I do think that doing the right thing can also be a win win. I think you'd much much rather be Janet today who is sort of universally applauded for trying to stand up for the person person who was wrong here than any of the players that aren't necessarily In a better position yes one of them will get a million dollars and you know that with that will be nice but I think that in terms of there are other opportunities that data be invitations to play again and sort of the You know look at unless you're a mercenary in terms of like. Hey I just it. It's just you know about the money I don't care what cost you know for the rest of my life like I. I do feel like there is you. Can you can make the right moral all decision. I know this sounds a little little bit crazy now. I I I think what what would what we have to look at here is that I. I don't think in the moment that those people doing that. Thought about it I don't think they thought this. This is Ron Dude is not right but I think in survivor. You get so caught up in the end end winning and it's just this mentality so like I said earlier. Maybe it's the game itself that is the makes you. I can't imagine you if you could imagine I mean. Do you think any of those people would would not stick up for someone in real life. I hope the answer is that they would. We don't know what it it's like. I can't imagine that outside surviving would act like that. Not Saying it's okay and I'm not saying it's just I'm just trying to really understand. I I think that the answer probably for you know why. Why would the people who seem like we you know they were? They were fine people before this A. Why would they end up turning their backs on Kelly and Janet Win? It seemed like there was a real issue there. I just think that and we see this in real life. Where if somebody's not on our team whether it's like you know literally really like a like a sports team or aligned with our political beliefs like we give the person who's on our side the benefit of the doubt but if it's the same information there's somebody who's not working with us it's like it's like you believe the worst in people and I think that because of these tribal I belive that were there whereas like hey where the new this is our new group and any information? That's coming from the other side you know that they're they're trying to trick us. We're not believing it. We know that like let's just like not over. Think this and then you have the need to Vilnai's that person to be able to keep your group together. Yeah instead it you said it very well yes I think that's right and now there is a large group and and You know there was a scene in that episode where they were all standing there and they were talking about. You know splitting the votes on Krishnan Jamal and you you know at that point you WanNa be in big group. You know what you did to get there pretty dirty But now they're are there and it's like man. Where do we go from here and again? I don't I don't think they thought they were doing was wrong. No Long I don't think they thought that it seemed like they were more concerned. The players that are out there with like hey. I don't think that this is right. What we're doing to Dan's his reputation outside the Game I? It seemed like that they were that seem to be a concern for a lot of the players that they talked about like. Hey I just lawrence. I just don't think that this is right. The way that we're going about this like Aaron was very vocal at the tribal council. About how like. Hey this is you guys are. You're talking bad about Dan. This is gonNA affect him in real life but not as many people were worried about. You know how this was going to affect Kelly Right I think we can agree. That that Dan was inappropriate. Yeah I think we can all all agree on that and I think we can talk about Aaron a little bit. He that tribal council. Those comments were her not great. I don't think that calling Janet of victim What's correct you clearly did not have have the whole story and claiming that someone is a victim and not scenario is just a really nasty and I know that? He had Dan's back but he did not. It was not good right not look at and I know he apologized. Yes yes again. It is very important. He had apology very heartfelt. US crying. Kelly accepted his apology listening to what he said at the council again and for the second time it was somewhat laughable that he said like hey if there was a problem I would have known about it. Tommy would have known about it. They known would've notre take all my God dean. Oh wow killing would know album while yet dean ethical ethical different ones detect timeline. Detective Killer diener there. Yeah Wow I'm actually surprised. Let's talk about Dean for. I'm actually surprised when I saw it. That Tommy and learn were having that conversation with him I thought. Oh Wow okay. He's GonNa go tell Kelly elite were going to get an idol play. Tonight you someone else's going home. I was really surprised that he didn't and and it. You know going back to the episode. You have to wonder if you can't predict the future but it it. When I was watching episode last week I liked the move Mike Kelly? I thought it was really creative and pretty ballsy but I did feel like man i. I'm not sure if this is the right move. Now move into this week and we see so you know deen's over here with anybody but me attitude and you can't fault him for that but I was. I was surprised I was like Dang. Like she's saved this dude and stone cold killer like not only do not tell her voted her out like. Wow Yeah it's I think that unless this the person you know I I guess there are circumstances where you know it does make sense but if you save a person on survivor and AH I don't know from first hand experience but I feel like that it doesn't mean as much like the person is very grateful that night but I I think that by the light of day sort of like you know there's no big deal true. I'm just still even after Washington the second time. I'm still kind of trying to route at around. Why I know that a lot happened with like MRIs naming brought up Kelly's name being brought up but I still feel like even though Elizabeth and Missy were saying that they were playing up this uncomfortable situation to Get Kelly out. I still feel like you know we still know that missy wasn't comfortable. She had conversation with Kelly. We do know that Warren with uncomfortable we saw las episode. We do know people were feeling uncomfortable and we knew the Jamaluddin like can I still trying to figure out why sometimes the merge you just do the easy but okay well. You're still getting your footing. I still think that grew that new group that had formed would still have the numbers of thousands they were worried about. I could just seems like when someone's having show many many problems like want band together and just eliminate it. I'm still trying to figure that out. Maybe we'll never have that answer but I just it just seems not even just to defend Kelly but just in general like if he's bothering so many people like why not just go for carrying on the next one. Yeah I hear you was Kelly such a threat threat that she needed to be dealt with immediately from a part of the original foci and they're down in the numbers ars and if you're Tommy Lauren. You're in that group of seven which they are the minority of that there are four low old liar. Oh people and there were three old foci that I feel like that I would be on board with that plan of like. Hey let's let's go after Tommy was saying originally really. Hey let's go after a dean but I think that they could come up with somebody who was not a key cog or even if you wanted to out of okay person okay. Let's get rid of Nora. Who is kind of a little bit more of a person who is on the outs with the with the bigger group? But Yeah I did Zedong understand why Tommy was incredibly threatened by a by Kelly. Yeah it just I just. Sometimes I know everybody wants to make a big move. That's like the survivor of of twenty nine thousand nine hundred and nine years her make a big move gotta make a big move and yes but I feel you like sometimes just getting everyone in a comfortable place and just kind of doing that clean sweep it just is is good too as you're getting your footing figuring out where people are and I you know from Thomas Perspective wit. He's not. He's not that close to Dan. A lot of those people aren't like I just it doesn't matter like you'd still have been numbers in this new group. You WanNa work with so I'm just I'm still trying to figure that out and I wish I had an answer but Joe I think that would have been the right move not just and again not just for Kelly to to show loyalty to her tour to defend her but just in general like a lot of those people. I think were genuinely uncomfortable. Even Nora talked about Hayes making people feel weird like why not just be like hey. y'All like we're done with them over and then figured out Kelly on the next one and she had dinner at out yet. Kill you mentioned about how you know. Everybody wants to make a big move. I do agree with you. I think that this is sort of like a byproduct of that where that okay well. Let's let's keep around all of the people who have flaws and then vote out all of the people all who are the people that are potentially you know And nothing wrong with them where that's going to disqualify them from final three. Vote such an interesting time that we're living in isn't a writer. Yeah I just think that so. Many people have their own agenda. That that's where the real real problem is Even Jamal said it like hey when he came to Tommy like hey I wanNA and get out Dan because it's best for me that's not the way to approach it and I do have to wonder if Jamal had had approach. Approach that conversation in a different way if he could have convinced Tommy to vote out Dan. You know I we talk to people and try and navigate things but it's it's interesting John. Big Move China. Everybody wants to do it. Everybody wants recognition. Everybody wants to feel like when they get to the end and they were the ones who who were you know the puppet Master Se. We'll say which is a term from uh season or before and there worst seemingly a lot of big moves a lot of blindsides in your season last season. Did you find that that was something in your five year journey through survivor. Did you feel like that it would. That's something that has really become a part of every single vote. Oh Yeah I think so. I definitely think so. I think sometimes when you bring up this easy vote. It's people don't really WANNA do. It is fun which sounds terrible. I like boating. Someone out is fun but people want to feel like I agree with you not fun. Ars creuse is fun. Yeah not survivor. No Way Not Dumping Rain and all these other things yeah. It's just how people people feel that old school thought of let's all stick together till the end and it's going to be us. It's just not how it is anymore do you. Do you feel like Kelly that the players who were involved in all of this last night. Did you feel like that. They all like understood the gravity gravity of what was going on and how it was going to be perceived obviously obviously not but did they think that it was going to be as big of a story read today or do you think that thought is even in their minds. When they're out there in the moment were Athens? Season was over. I think I would have to imagine for the people that were on game. Changers that I think that in the moment the Zekan Varner situation I think think they would feel the people that were there probably felt like this is going to be a really big deal. I don't know about if the players from last night felt that that was going to be the case where things it seems like that. Very few people there. Maybe with the exception of Janet and Jamal kind of got the gravity of what they were going through. Yeah I think that's fair to say I mean that's why I was percent earlier. Like did those girls realize what they were doing. And that's not to give them an excuse. It just feels like if if you knew how how. It's just such a tough topic if he really felt like this was something that was going to be You know could affect people's lives like why would you do it so I don't think when they were out there they felt like it was going to be anything I mean I think you can even look like when they're all altogether and they're telling like it's like it's all good no we're fine with you this is. We just told her that to you. Know to make her happy in. Everyone's kind of against Janet now and and she's sleeping by herself and like nobody cared cared about that like they thought. I'll yeah Janet making stuff up like cheese. Whenever like? She's fine fine. Well I don't think I don't think they thought that it was going to be that big deal especially from Elizabeth and Missy who are both Advocates in in various degrees I would feel like that you know You know this is not my area of expertise but I feel like from news stories. He's about Women athletes where there's if it's inappropriate issues with different coaches Che's or doctors that I would feel like that. People who are from the world of athletics would be very tapped into any sort of sense and so like this is not right in any way and so that was doubly surprising. I think anyone would be. I don't think it matters if you're an athlete leader now I think this is a human would know that. That's the wrong approach. I think that if they wanted to get Kelly out I think there were other ways to go about it I don't think that talking about it and and playing it up and going I mean Elizabeth even went to Kelly herself and was like hey like yeah girl like I feel you touching my leg in the shelter like literally went to the person is upset about it it and made her feel like yeah. I feel that to own like wow. That's not even just going to other people to try and if if an onboard that's like going straight to the source like A. I feel you might men later on. She like no no. I've always felt comfortable like ooh Yup and and the thing that I think that is the worst part of all of this is that I think that in the way that there was either either ally ally or a misrepresentation of how she felt and who knows if she actually if this actually happened in this was something she was uncomfortable with or if this was something but now she's misrepresenting that I think that there are certain some viewers that got the takeaway of say. You don't have to believe people because because people are GonNa make this stuff up so I think that was especially hurtful for a lot of women who are not not going to be as believed when these types of things get brought up absolutely as the backs of the major problem here is that we you have to like. If someone says this happened. Who are we to say like? Oh No it didn't you know and then you've got the people like this Elizabeth thing where she's like even just kind of messing with it and making it something that can just be thrown around like like it's fine like all this use this strategy and it's all good like no let's it's just not because this they're real people out in the real the world outside and survivor inside of survivor Mao then do have these true stories and there are people out there that say like all that didn't happen it's not real. I didn't see it. Oh Oh this exaggerating and you know now. We've got somebody who really did exaggerate it and it's like it's not fair. It's not fair the people that are actually been through something. That's really the problem. It's not fair not okay and just you add to that the impact the ripple effect which I'm sure is not something that is going through the minds of Elizabeth A- An MRI at the time but there are new stories. He's about this incident that have been picked up and news stories and I'm not GonNa name the publication but there are headlines Headlines that are out there that are widely circulated survivor. Contestants admit they exaggerated claims of inappropriate touching to win the game so the headline is see. Women women lied about inappropriate touching to get ahead on on survivor and then people say oh see see I told you this happens afterwards. Because I'm just we're sitting here talking about it and it's just really it's just really disappointing. Especially you know. I feel like women like we. Should you know we a lot of do have stories or situations and it's just like why you know why Macaws or say something that would then make someone else not be believed like it's just sad. I'm not saying you you don't have to be friends with everyone. You meet right like you know. I'm not going to be friends with everybody but I do. Feel a lot of women and I am about like girl power and so it's just really sad. See that because it makes you feel it just feel really bad. I don't know how to say it just makes you feel slick sat inside right and you're like man you don't ever want people to feel afraid to be able to talk and a lot of people have been a lot of people still are and and this is not something like this does not help and there was a lot of ugliness on the show I do believe though a lot of the conversation nation. That's come out of this that not that. This was a good thing in any stretch of the imagination of what happened but I do think that a lot of the conversation. That's come matt of this. I think has been a very positive thing for That a lot of people in this community and I I also think this is going to be a learning experience for the show as well because I think that that in any future scenario where anything anything and I hope that this is not a part of any future season but I have to think that the response to any sort of similar situations is going to be a five alarm fire compared to the how it was handled here I would think so. Yeah A and not just on survivor. I would think on the hopefully on a lot of these shows that are out there where of these types of situations are going to be taken even even more seriously as they should be Kelly. Do you think that this season could get back on track. All Man in worlds apart ever get back on track. That's a good way joking aside. I think that's that's I feel like that this that this is not to compare apples and oranges wake like that but that was a season where there was a very ugly and stay emmy and game changers. I think that you could talk about it in the same conversation. Where after the merge urge you know something something very ugly happened and no? I don't think people didn't forget about it. No it's it's still comes up and I don't think you know we're talking about in this season be salvager be better. I think we're at this point. Unfortunately we have a lot of folks where it's hard. Answer me to want to see someone do well or win when I feel upset by what they've done and I think it's it's it's not a situation where one person it's a large group of people and so for me at sitting here like man like I literally only want Janet Swing but I love Janet in and actually funny this may sound like I actually Nor last night when they were talking she was talking. Wichita Mall about voting out Dan. Her reasoning was also. Because you know she said my sole reason is because he's made people feel uncomfortable and it's just we're not gonNA address this later on. We're going to get rid of this now and and I was like okay like yeah you know we have somebody else who is seeing this and wants to just be done with it but it is hard. I think you know we're at the mergers a lot of the season left but it's really difficult but now I turn my TV on. And I'm not gonNA forget what happened. Did regardless of where it goes from here right like now. It's like okay we've got on the bottom. We discussed gemologist went out you. I also really liked. We've got you know Krishna's on the bottom and we've got this large group. That's kind of running things. Everyone in the large group for the most part art. I'm really turned off by and so when I I'm still gonNa Watch because I like survivor and I'm going to watch and I want to see what happens and I wanna see how this all plays out and where it goes but if not a fun joyful season like they're definitely seen as we watch and it's funny and they just like really great momentous and where this all you know just watching a show to kind of escape reality for an hour or whatever it may be a now this season even just talking this episode like sometimes I feel like I struggle for for the right words because it's just it was just so achey feeling through and through that like you just almost wanna almost wanna put this season the bed and just move on to national then. We can't do that. We don't we also don't want to avoid shoes right like we do need to talk about then Tom if they send US seasons canceled I might be okay with it. He just just told me the winner on social media will be good So you're a weird spot right now. I'm not sure that we can. This can be salvaged and it certainly will this season. We'll be talked about how many years to come and probably not for the right reasons. Yeah if this was the binge we could skip the last episode certainly yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I know it's really hard. I mean I don't know how you go back to watching the episodes and then seeing that you we saw what happened. I've been with Kelly and with the things with with with missy in her feet and and especially in the in the shelter and sleeping. I think that that's probably the most damning of all. It's almost like that. You're watching the show and you're worried about these people that are that are still out there like every every every week. I think you're going to be watching and saying like oh I hope nothing. Nothing bad happens to these people. Yeah I think even in episode so last night when after all that stuff had happened and we have this conversation on the beach and Janet slept by herself and those girls were telling Dan you know. It's a Eddie. Let Sleeping next to you and we kind of go into the individual immunity challenge and I found myself not even being able to focus on it job as my head was still. I'm trying to process what had just happened. And then we go straight into this really bad tribal council and so it was like how do I now watch next week and not ought keep thinking about that You Know How am I going to enjoy the season as I normally would when I'm when I'm you know kind of rooting for people and in wanting to see the strategy I'm just like Ooh like and right. Now we see Kelly on the jury and we send Jamal and the jury really lights. I know we have four. Janet Awkward Position who was just trying to do the right thing. And I've got to sit here and like look at Dan strategize and be involved in people who like only Hunky Dory like it's everything's Okay and like it's not okay and yet so I'm not sure also keep watching rob because you know I have to not gonNA give up on it for them. I'm not superstar. We're not we're not super still. That's a great way of of of putting it not going to get my little popcorn and my wind and be like ooh yeah. Shut some full stuff now now. I'm just like doc on the season that you were able to go back and do that. We why you were on your on the last a season. Yeah she just ruined watches a fan like enjoy. It should be funny. What the Heck Yeah And even to say like Oh after route for Dan to get voted out well lead this is what are they gonNA do at Ponderosa. They that Kelly GonNa WanNa be there with him man. I haven't even thought about that Well it was something to you because I do think we need to kind of touch on Dan and a little more detail. There was something that he said the second tribal where he was he was talking about ultimate. Anyone feel uncomfortable. I feel bad about that. And he did say no if I've he turned his one thing where he's like if I've ever you know in a tight space on a small shelter as I'm passing you by and I'm kind of like he's like completely you confused like he doesn't. It's not about bats. Listen we we both went on survivor. Rob There have been instances I know when extinction I think it was around. You know d three or four. Whatever it was it was raining so hard and we were all huddled like literally like I was like huddling winglike Kristen Lauren and everyone was closed in like that's different? We're literally trying not to die. Okay super him to be like like. I was only doing this in situations where I couldn't help it. It's like no we're talking about here so that not too was just for me. Also situation where I didn't into I don't know if he doesn't get what what they're we're talking about here or if he truly doesn't believe in doing anything but I just thought was really weird thing for me when he was talking about everything. Yeah I the. I don't even want to try to defend it. I think we had a couple of. We're not no no no no not at all yeah I. It was also damning when last week we saw the women all talking about like. Oh you know what it's like you know with with with. Dan and Kelly was not there. Kelly was not part of that conversation she was. She was on the other tribe and the women independently of Kelly independently of Janet. Were all having that conversation with Lauren and missy and Elizabeth so and in the episode last night that there was some talk about how that there was a conversation about how you know Tommy like hill his arm around me and it's like whatever but Kelly said but he's not like grabbing me around the ribcage that that there there's you bump into the other survivors if you are. You are in close quarters. But it's the you know that there are. There are certain things that you know. You know it's something is wrong. I would imagine that equal not all things are equal Kelly I want to bring in some questions from the listeners. Amanda Rabinowitz wants to ask US so glad Kelly's back on on Rha a lot of women and girls look up to Kelly as a player. I was wondering if she could speak to the experience for these women who are playing for first time how conscious they may be the example. They're setting for young girls. Who are watching this show? I also wonder if in terms of being a first time player versus a return journey. Ernie whether or not you would feel more comfortable talking about something like this on the show I think that well the first time I played was obviously unique and I've admitted that my knowledge of How show worked and speaking with producers and you know the INS and outs I did not know anything about it? I had recently just like watch survivor as a fan. I didn't know any any anything about what happened. Is I speaking to them or anything like that. And so For me on my first season I just was trying to figure out what the hell was going on one And so I do think that there is as you've been on the show a few times there is a little more wisdom and understanding. And you know I I would hope that in any situation. This had come up that I would say something I think that again for me. The thing that is is really trouble song and just people using as a game move engineered. That's where I just have a really big big big problem with it and I I think if I soften like that like I on Janet shoes I would feel the same way I I think people have a responsibility to to not be not be assholes essentially trying to say I just you know. Am I apologize for using that word but there is a right and wrong and I don't know I would hope is wisdom with playing a couple of times but without being in this situation I certainly would not go to somebody and use their feelings and their discomfort against them. uh-huh we have not talked a lot about Jamal today who I was very sad to lose that I I've just I've loved Jamal so much this season just I I feel like that. He was such a great character on the show and he had highs and lows and we had we had every different type of the Jamaa. We had cocky Jamal in the beginning of the season and we we had the great conversations at tribal council and how great great he was in that moment with Jack this season so he was he had so many great moments He was great on the island of the idols last night. Although didn't he get totally hosed. Terrible fellas absolutely terrible what. He had a good night last night. Oh so bad bluish last night so bad I mean if I run jurmala shoes you have to know how bad that was like. If they're giving you a pencil and paper and telling you to write it down you have to know going back into camp that no one's GonNa believe. I believe that I think the best thing to do would have been to give that advantage to one of his allies which was say charisma and then held her. I mean I guess you would have opened opened in front of everybody. I don't know what to tell her. Hey like this is literally fake. Like we're done here. I just don't think I just seem to put a target on his back and it wasn't believable and and he lost his boat and then the lesson behind. It was just stupid dom I this was a fail for me I. It's like yeah. They took vote away and they told him he had to give this advances way. Is there anything that he could have done. Kelly I'm saying oh you should have literally like I don't even think he should have used. It was stupid like or I. I don't know what he was. Twenty could or couldn't do but I will come back Commu like you're like this is nothing like why the handwritten advantage in his excuse was it. Oh there was the no and I had to copy down the note like I was going to believe that it was just like a death sentence for him like it was terrible which we really touched on you know island of the idols us us and I have been overall up until this point. been enjoying the season I've not so much been enjoying the island of the title portion of it and I do feel like a lot of people say that but for me it's just introducing a lot of advantages or I guess now disadvantages into the game and it does affect people like you already have so many things you're working with against a in survivor and so oh to really be offering people an advantage or the now and Jamaal space a disadvantage. I just think that we should look the game. Play out. Nelson find an idol on the beach. That's different but to go somewhere and be singled out like that's an automatic automatic. We've seen a few people that see events like one of the reasons. He was targeted because he went to island the idols. And I know we've had redemption island in the past and things like that but I've always felt like it's just not really fair and so I don't really like it and I also feel like Robin Sandra thing. I really enjoy Robin Zander. Both of them but it doesn't feel authentic. It doesn't feel Let's just doesn't feel like it's her. I don't even know how to put it. I don't I'm not loving it. That way. Last night was the worst out of anything I everywhere but it wasn't even like you know Jamal found the note and the note said go to the island of the idols and everybody else got a choice of. Hey do you WANNA play the game or not and if you lose the game then there's a penalty if you take a bad deal and there are some knowledge in that in terms of you know you get offers ars in people want to work with you in some small way that it's supposed to be like a teachable moment. But what was the teachable moment for Jamal. It's like nope. Sorry Jamal you're screwed. And here's how we're GONNA double screw you where we're going to give you an assignment. It was. It's like that this was Jim. Jamal just totally totally. Oh totally totally hose. And the thing is that it was such a it was really whoever walked along the path and saw that little thing like dangling there and the the thing that was really frustrating is that if you see that of worst you're gonNA open it of course so the lesson of like you know you can't just us not easy in near should have at least something we're like you read it and then you could make a decision or like you said you go to island of the idols and you can make a decision. It shouldn't be like the first person his fingers touch. It is totally screwed up like anyone down. Not you're not going to not see something in seizing and not open it. You're going to open it. Can't I think he got Tripoli's screwed because he was walking with charisma and then he found the thing and then go right to the island of the idol so either she went back and told everybody like. Hey you guys. Jamal just got taken to the island of the idols or everyone else is like. Hey where's Jamal. And then he found something and they took him to the like. It's not like like everybody else. Like a note comes where it's like all right Jamal. Please report to the island. Like oh what can I do. I WANNA go. I'm scared to go that I wish they pick somebody else like. Yeah God like Oh. He was looking for an idol and he found him and he was looking for something. Yeah now l.. And then he has to do the stupid thing and they were so mad at him for giving Dean the legacy advantage that they're like that he just put but he just put a bull's eye on Dean's back. It's a death sentence for Dean there were we. We are so mad at your mall. I just feel like you would have been better off off not even coming back with something you know. I have a feeling that wasn't an option for them so perhaps APPs he had to do it but I didn't like it feel bad for him and then he went home and I was starting to Jamal as well and I thought that his comments at tribal council where fantastic. Yeah Yeah. This was very very difficult night that we we lost Kelly and Joe and it was only a week ago Kelly that we were talking about with such a nice conversation about women and you know whether whether whether or not it's it is it's sexist to assume that women have a women's Alliance and it was like okay. Well here's my viewpoint on that. Well here's an. Here's Janet's viewpoint on that it was like a like a whole intelligent conversation and we went from that to this. Are we took fifty thousand stepping back. Sweet uh-huh Twenty back checking ball. I think we shared because we have been talking about the you know Really dark stuff but I do think we should probably talk about why Kellie did not play an idol. When she had to we'll? That is a great question that I would and I have the listeners. I think are very interested to hear from you on this subject because I wonder the same thing of that. Did you feel like that Kelly having to idols Sort of paralyzed her. A little bit more in terms of of playing an idol at tribal council. Now there is no reason that should have been the case. I think when you have one. It's really hard because you're like you know you get greeting greeding with it like you know in my head that I'm thinking money of votes like I don't WanNa wasted. I don't want to be the person that looks like an idiot that the you know that plays it and didn't need need to know what had one we have to like. Screw it yes plan. You've got one more even if people are terrified of you it's like well okay. Another one I can get through one more vote and maybe she didn't know she was getting votes but she even said that she felt uncomfortable. But I will say in her defense as someone going going out with. I an idol. In my bucket it is hard. It is hard you a lot of times in survivor. You know to trust your gut and you don't because you the trick yourself into thinking that what you're feeling is is not right and that's really what it comes down to so I don't I don't think she followed her gut and it was bad though is better and it just sucks because of everything else that happened. You're like Oh crap which to go on with you. Idols of this. Just not not a good night around. I would be like Janet if I ever if I ever played found an idol that I would like. I'm going home Mike. I'll play the I. I got to play my idol and I would end up spending it at the first tribal council that I went to because I would be I would be afraid now. Jeremy that You know having to idols is nice that he would even waste one trying to say Stephen Fishbach so co-chair Gossiping Jeremy's a stand up guy. I you know he's a good one so that's why you're trying to do what he thought was in his best interest. So that'd be Real Kelly Kelly. I don't know if you want to give away all your secrets today. I don't know that if you I don't think I've gotten to ask you this question but are you. Are you retired from survivor survivor. We would you. Would you play a fourth time. No I don't WanNa go back survivor. Okay Oh good good so good. Yeah Yeah UH which is funny. Because I knew we spoke in the past and you know after my first season I was like I would die and he goes back and I just feel like my survivor journey. It's besides when it's just it's it's everything I've done everything really and my third season didn't end great but I feel like that journey was different for me as well and I know I listened to the cast podcast and I was not Sierra podcast and you were talking Nevada about where it was brought up would you have said yes to a certain season or maybe should awaited and I really feel like you know everything. Everything happens to read at least for me and the way that all worked out ya worked out that way and happy with everything. I'm really just I'm like I'm guard. Yeah Okay Yeah okay. Well very happy to hear that you're that you're good and we talked about you know with with both cast and Sierra Sierra had said that she wished that she they both said they wished that they had waited. It didn't go back as soon as they did and I was I. It was as surprised at the time that you waited as long as you did to go back. Wow I just thought that you were. You were so eager to play again after the first time time and then you were so you did so well the second time and that it was obvious that everybody wanted you to come back again that I thought that that you were chomping at the bit to go back and I was surprised that you weren't on game changers while I was asked And that's everyone knows that right now. Yeah and I said no and that was because I had to do what was right for me at the time and It was just going to be too much in such a short short period of time and I have to tell you for education. I I initially did not want to go Because I was like man like I feel like I besides when I really feel like I'm I'm good and I just don't know I for my personal journey. What they're left to accomplish rush and then you know I talked to some family members like whatever elise nine one now? No actually my mom mom. Yeah we had a conversation and she was like you know like when you're you know when you're you're eighty and you look back you're going to say like I wish I would have and fair point okay. And so that's how that all came about in media saying yes and I think I think something too is that you know you touched on this. I think it was with tasks where there is this fear of always like what if I don't go one if I don't get to go back again on. I think that always pop into your mind but at this point. Yeah I'm I'm I'm good. I'm happy to let other people do their thing. How Fun with it? It's not that I don't appreciate experience. I'm so glad like how lucky I got to do it three times. That's that's just crazy crazy. I mean people died and do it once. I'm forever grateful for that. Really die to do it a second time I did. I was the second time. If you ingram I am And the funny thing too is i. It's just something that I you know kind of trouble with as well as if people are like. Oh well you were so so you you're interacting so much you're perceiving in your second season and now kind of feels like you're just like over the fans over the experience you you know you think you're better whatever and people can think what they want but for me like after doing it three times I really just needed a break from it And so for me. I just had to do that for myself. And I am still to this day forever. Grateful for the second chance I could never I would say it over and over again every single day like every every person that I ever had been contact with or anything like that like I will always be grateful and Just because like where I'm at in my life now is a little different than where I was before doesn't mean that I don't appreciate every single person and even after I was voted out. Sorry I feel like I'm going off on a tangent. Tangent after voted off last season had this huge fear that people would be so mean to me because of high went Out and people will be like Oh like she see she is like a bad game player. She's not as good as you know everyone claimed she is. And so I had this big fear of the people not understanding me or like my game and everyone was like so gracious and so nice and so supportive and just go to the show this fan base although there are a few negative people in the bunch for the most part everyone is really great and understanding and does realize that we're all just people and and and Just wants the best for folks so I'm very appreciative of this. Entire experience is what I'm trying to say. Well I ended up bringing the subject to ask you that. Since you're not going back that can you tell us what is the secret of knowing when to play the idol. Oh well well. I don't know because have played a few correctly and then I've played one wrong but it really does come down to trust in your gut. It's like that's it like literally that is it like huge half and now they're just those times in Cambodia. I just don't like I'm getting both tonight. I just felt weird like it. Sounds really Lee stupid but in Extinction you're all sitting there at the tribal and I got the psych almost like it's like chill through my I body when I was sitting by the fire and I was like. Oh just something feels weird but then I sat there and I went. No no no. There's no way that word I would turn on me. There's no reason that this group that I am together that we're we're all working together. It doesn't make sense right now and I should just digging and that is my own fault and I own that. It's all good and it was a great play and it doesn't mean that you were wrong. It doesn't make sense right now. You could be right. Well sure sure. Her is eyeing so devastated that so many women have not played. Idol's it's just so upsetting because or gone home like you know with Aubrey and then with the Ideologue Aubrey Knight. Oh I went home with an idol. We had even Chelsea at home with an idol and now we have telling home with two idols. Who am I missing anyone? It is so did you say Chelsea yeah okay so depressing because I feel like up until now it's always been like so many guys found idols and now we have this crazy. We knew thing where like the women are finding Ireland so proud and so happy and yet we're just failing on the execution it's really it's it's not like I just like being it like why. Why is job? Well the good news is women are finding the idols. The bad the bad news is that there misplacing them as much as the men do. So it's easier to find the idol maybe then to play correctly. Yeah plenty correctly is hard it is easy. Yeah Elaine got the easy one of just cancel. Somebody's vote from the other side that it's the only specific time when it works. Expunge it when it's when it's time for it to work. It works one hundred percent of the time. Yeah exactly I also think to having an expiration date on an idol is actually better. Yeah you know you only have to. You're like okay. Well the next one right now like you're not going to sit on it and be like. Oh well maybe you know five boats from now all ooh wow it's pretty straightforward. You GotTa do it now or the next one Kelly just going back to your survivor career. And now that it's in the rear view mirror. What's your favorite part about survivor? What was the appeal about doing it these three times when you think back to the? What's what's the part that really gets your adrenaline going? Well I'm very competitive Like if if you play board games with me. It's not fun unless you're on my team because I like I'm very focused on like stop having conversations outside in the game because we're trying to win scattergories or whatever we've got going on here okay So that aspect of it. I obviously loved the competition. I think the obvious answer would be that. I want to win a million dollars which sounds cheesy but it's true Um I think I just like the second time that I went back. I just like I had so much to prove and I had a lot to prove not only to myself but just kind kind of to the world which I send this before. It seems silly to care about other people. Think of you but I just wanted to do it and be like I can do this and I'm better than what what what happened last time you know and then the third time I went back because I went back a third time because I I wanted to win the adventure you know. I've done the starvation thing. It was just to win the million dollars. That's it funding real uh-huh yeah I wonder. Is there something to it like. If if the only way that it's a win that it's a successful trip is to go back and win in if if that's the reason why people shouldn't go back that if if if it's the second thing then if y just WanNa prove the people that I can that I can can do it and I can go far then you should go back and then if the only thing that's going to be a positive outcome if I win the chances are against you well well. Yes yeah. It's really hard. It is when an easy. Yeah it's it's very hard well. I had a l.. Not Fun for me. I know there was a Lotta a Lotta situations where people were not enjoying my personality as much and I accept the WHO on the island or the fans Kelly. No on the island I I was just miserable which I think there is this element when you're returning player and you go back. You kind of know what's going to happen. And so when I was on the tribal we just kept losing using. I just felt like this big loser and I was so hungry so depressed like I could not. I could not put on a happy face. I I know that came across in the episodes and Yeah it wasn't my best season in that Uh in that way but yeah that's all I got TA. It wasn't fun for probably a lot of people true. Yeah and then I had my breakdown edge of extinction montrose very real but anyway here we did. We see that on the show yen very emotional and you know it's I think the crazy thing is that it's really. It's really hard for me. I'm just not an emotional person and I really went into edge of extinction feeling like okay like you half let your guard down. You have to be close to people. That's not easy for me and so when I do that and then when I I got burned by war dog and with an idol in my pocket I absolutely devastated because always put this like wall up and don't want ought to be hurt by people which is not. It's not a great quality. I'm not saying that you know there are other people. I I envy people. My husband is very open and very emotional and empathetic and understands people and like she's that's really hard for me And so I think that season I just got so upset because because I felt like I tried to do that and still failed. And that's kind of a fear for me. It did seem like you came away with an incredible friend in Lauren. That from the outside it seems like that you guys have an incredible friendship. I love her. Oh my God I love her. So much and Lauren is wise beyond her years. Like you e- You know you wouldn't think that she is as young as she is She has such a good header folder. She's so smart and and I just get along with her. I just really I feel protective over her. Like she is like a little sister to me which is what I call her. Sometimes that an oh she likes that or not but Yeah I just I just really really Like her a lot and we had a strong bond and we still do so and You know appreciate I do appreciate that. Let me ask you a question here from Mike Edwards who says for me Kelly in Cambodia brought back a strong young woman archetype she was a strategist a threat title finder and go to challenges. What does Kelly think about the evolution of Young Women in survivor? Do you give any the question on. I guess so. They're saying they brought it back from White Lake the poverty and I don't know where it went away but I I do feel like that. You know the show is going on twenty years old and I think that young people have been watching it all through its run and I think that different people were certain ages like grew up looking up to certain people and I feel like that in terms of you know iconic `young women on the show I feel like sure I'm leaving a party certainly made Made a big impression Shane and Andrea Andrea. And I feel like that that you were you know another one that really. That really emerged over through in the thirties. I think that you know the young women that watched the show and little girls. I think that they grew up. Idolizing I'd allies in you so crazy to me. Yeah since I have a voicemail from one of your fans who had called in and left this tyrod Kellyn calling from Chicago first time caller so oh my family does a top ten survivor pool every year and not one of us put Kelly Wentworth in the top three. Have we been underestimating. Her and she have a chance to win. This whole thing sneaky sneaky. I've heard that voice okay. Playing can't let go and then I didn't play it and then she called back back in like two weeks later. Hi Rob Kelvin from Chicago. My family does a survivor every year. One of US put Kelly Wentworth in the top three. She has an idol and now she started winning challenges and no one seems to be talking about her. Does she have a chance to win. This whole thing sneaks it. Is that the same script if it ain't broke. Kelly don't fix it. Hey you know you gotta try until you get their way ingredient. That's so funny. I have heard that before but I didn't remember that she did it twice. He's like dig it rob like you. You are going to play this eventually. Eventually you'll get you'll get to it so you don't want to play anymore. But what if this island into the idols ends up being thing and they say okay. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do this again we're going to. We're going to do this again. And now all right we've got either. Uh Joe and Kelly Island teach you. You teach lessons to the survivors would you. Would you do something like that. Yes I think that that would be on. Yeah when you take away the pressures of the game sure I think that would be fun. Yeah but but I mean that they'll never ask me so I hear you get to know pointing even talking about it. We will never ask because one of the congrats no. I think there are many other people that that would should be in that spot before me speaking of Joe Theresa Johnson's No are you going going to Joe and Sierras wedding. He wow good question I am not going to the wedding. I was invited which is very sweet and I appreciate that and I am so happy for both of them But my husband and I have a vacation plan in December and then what we have a couple of different vacation December along with the holidays and so it was just a little bit difficult to Take the time and be away from the dogs in the House for an additional weekend. But I'm very happy for them and you know what a crazy world we live in is all came full circle for them. Yeah excited by the way. Congratulations I saw that. You are a new homeowner by the way yeah commoner. Wow that's a lot of work a lot of work. Yeah it's fun but it's You know we my head right. We've only had a few disagreements mostly on Nino Furniture Choice says but Making it work you know. Do you own a home long. I do not survive. Stay on the air for many more years. Well I'm here to tell you. Just forget about an now you talked to the first lady of podcasting. Yeah I think there's a lot of headaches come along with it you know. We moved in and we he loved it but there are a lot of things he wanted to change which I hadn't added to the Price Tag when we purchased this House so Yeah but it's cool. I like it. It's a work in progress. Edward Morris wants to know what would you have done if you drop the idle at the challenge like Elaine did. Of course you know a all time survivor. Every moment was when in second chances you got the clue to. Hey there's an idol that's hidden in the challenge L. Inge and you had to go back and awhile would. They were doing a puzzle right yet. Or is it rings or something young Yup so we had to drop this raft onto the platform essentially and then there was the Matt right in in front of it and then yes there was a it was a ring toss onto. You'll have to put the poll together with the string and pieces of wood and stick it through the gate eaten. Lift up the key. That's what it was Yeah and you found the idol. The first time that anybody's ever done that and Elaine had a similar opportunity this season where she had defined the advantage but she dropped it on the ground. Kelly were you nervous for her. I wouldn't laughing honestly like Ooh doing mostly because she tried to put it in the back of her pants and it didn't work out because there was in the way and it could be. I could feel her panic through the TV. Like oh no No it's kind of funny funny moment. I enjoyed it. I always liked that better than the traditional additional idle fines where it's just like a in a tree in the woods. Whatever like it's way more interesting for viewer when you have to watch them in wonder if they're actually going to do it or not? Kill really. Are you surprised that they haven't done that more. It was such a big when you did it and then Jeremy did it and then I think they've only done it to other times. I think Troy Zan fan wanting game changers injures like that and then Elaine this season yeah I wish they would do it more. What what other crazy idol that they tried since then they did Remember when Thai climate tree or something remember that that was kind of funny and then what what other crazy stuff is done. Oh the she was with the shell look like a show Adam not one that was like okay. They had in millennials versus Gen X.. Wear that was the idol l.. Look like things that were objects around there like there were painted coconuts and stuff stuff like that so they've done also like you you know it's hard because they want to mix it up but they also want people to find them so it's it's true it's tricky but I feel that the doing it in the challenge is as you make a clue easy to find than what it's like to people both got a clue for the challenge. I think that would be exciting. People independently of each other are going for the same thing and they don't they don't realize it and then they get to it at the same time or are they the other person who's doing it. I think that would be a very fun way to go now fun. Yeah let's switch it up here. Let's not let's not like the idols. Yeah Hum so fully patient wanted this. Kelly have any new home depot esque story because as a new homeowner like the toilet one from a couple of years ago. Do you remember. Remember that embarrassing embarrassing. Did you know about but my toilet fiasco with the credit card. I know about it because you told that Tori on the podcast that you that you had you had a phone case and it also made him cast of some of the you're you're a rha highlights way before thirty eight came out and you had you had a phone case that held your credit cards and then you dropped it in the toilet take take the toilet apart to get the credit card out. Yeah that happened. I've I've I've switched phone cases Aspin's thumb don't don't do the just just gonNA phone cases. Get a wallet. It's just better separate Don't do that so yeah I had alleys where it has like a secret compartment that you can put your credit card in and I put a when I was in New York. I put my train ticket for the Long Island Railroad in there and then when the guy the conductor came by I went to go take it out of that thing and I couldn't get it out and it was stuck and then I liked the conductor waiting and I was like finally I was GonNa like snap. Snap the phone case in half because the guy thought I was like messing with him and like like. Oh where's my wallet. It's around here somewhere and I was. I was so Embarrassed it is America thing and when you get flustered it gets harder to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish this trying to get a train ticket out. Here benign feeling really uncomfortable and embarrassed and Saddam's. Just making me more flustered. Yeah that's what did you get it out. Ordinary finally finally finally got. It came very close to break half. I say. Sometimes it's what you have to do. Yeah Yeah but if you're able to replace toilet are you handy No so when I had to replace the toilet I went to Home Depot and I called old my dad And I said hey had a little incident needs to take the toilet off and and look in there. And what do I need and so he walked me through. You know you need the ring and you have to take it off and and we have a situation where We we didn't turn so. How did this workout? Well it was. It was funny. I may not do a good job of explaining it but basically we had to remove the hose in the back of the toilet in the toilet by coked into like where the water sources and will we. Didn't we ton the water off before we unhooked it so we were just this like really really strong free of water like plastering us and I had this Sober Bowl that I tried to put up to block the water and then the water water hit the ball and it was like a fountain just flying all over we were soaking wet like Arlen and I were absolutely soaked and So we learned the hard way. So if you're asking me if I'm handy around the House the answer is no absolutely not but I'm doing my best. Yeah Okay I'm doing the my best over here. It's a lot. It's a Lotta work a lot right. Speaking of farm sixty nine. How is your dad doing? Ah good finale do you remember I told you. Do you remember what you said that what I talk. Talk to your dad taping that was unfortunately. I'm sorry aw I was so excited to see him. Yeah no he's great. We just give each other a hard time which we think is the way you have to do it really. I can't believe I said that I'd probably had one too. Many glasses of wine is what happened. Yeah I mean you can you can tell me good. I have too many one two minibuses what that night. Yeah you seems very fun that like you definitely weren't like a mask ask like you know. Sometimes you see people that are over served at these things. But it's definitely not the case. No I always keep my composure. More yeah let's she's not a good look not too yeah but they had those free bracelets now the braids or you could like get drinks for everybody So that was probably a blessing and the curse and your dad was such a big defender of you on a season and I probably. Nobody loves like their parents being on and so the same social networks that there but did that make you a little bit. We were like my dad really loves me. He's like a yelling at people on twitter order from our behalf mall. What one thing you know about? Dale is that He don't have much of a filter. which is which is which is good for me Probably bad for other folks but I think about it like I think about for example my my I sister my little sister. Her name is Victoria and I feel like if she were ever on a reality show. I would probably be an absolute crazy person if people were talking about her because I just and so protective of her so I appreciate my dad's sometimes a little over the top which we know which is very tough. Hand Mundell Martin always has hot dates. Yes he does bad giving it to you real jess that. How do you feel about there being a new survivor missy? Year in good time really throwing it back there. Shout dark as remembering the rice battle. Wow I really not going to play the Dell Wentworth clubs because that would be okay good okay. We just need to remember. That never was something. Hey what do you. I really have to be harder to last night. A comeback for missy pain maybe Well they won't say another car careening. Do You keep in touch with anybody from the first season. Listen I think you can answer that. I probably probably Germany. Oh I do I do Jeremy and Aboul occasionally just through social media because they're such a fantastic couple. I love them and I don't I don't talk to Natalie but I wiscon- follow what she's doing on instagram. For Super Like I really liked both of them and I you know again I think just going back to what I said before like I ate No didn't really have great relationships have been my first time out and not necessarily my second either so kinda wish. I would have at this point because I see a lot of people are really close. And it's kind of a bummer for me but yeah Jeremy in bell there's been thus they are the best and then last week. We got a voicemail that somebody called in and they thought that Jack was the the spitting image of Alec Christie. Do you see that. No no no. Oh Wow also throw it so basically. It's clear I'm a bad ass back and rewatch that season. I re watched it like a year after throw-in Josh and I did the thirty season and rewatch. We watched it but it was. I mean that that was on in the fall of twenty fourteen. I and I think we watched it like in the summer of two thousand fifteen so I I have not really watched it recently. But that's one of my bigger regrets with the way that we did that at thirty season because we were trying to hurry to get it out before second chances so we really had to Russia the end and then basically like I think we did a good job on Kagi on and and then twenty nine and thirty was just a blur and it was so close to when it actually aired that we had enough distance to really be able to do justice. Yeah I've heard a lot of people say that they've gone back and watched it and they they actually love this. I think there are a lot of great moments and it And I drew Christie way character dot one right there sure. Yeah Yeah I don't know what else to say you know. We're trying to work on trying to. I'm trying to be really nice See now I don't want it tonight. Yeah well that's all right now I'm trying to just you know. Keep my mouth shut so yeah I'll tell you what I did did. Did you recently way. And if you heard the cast podcast I talked about. This was that I went back and watched an episode of second chances and that was so much fun I really I really did. Enjoy going back to the second chance season. I love that season maybe by Ryan but I really go back and watch you know obviously and I just that season was I think fun. I hope that it was fun for viewers. 'CAUSE I just like watching it back but it was really fun. A Lotta the great moments then good cast overall like I really liked everybody for the most part. It seemed like you had no problem with eating the bugs Kelly. Yes I think you were good at faking it I thought you were you. Were you were too. I think I would be so bad at that. I'm surprised that I was okay on it because I am really picky with my food. Like I can't stand mayonnaise. I think it is gusting costing thing ever created like ratified by into a sandwich. And like Manning's squeeze into my mouth so grossed out like you know what I mean like. I like my sandwiches with cheese and meat or whatever else it is the mustard Okay so mustard is okay sometimes on family. Jazz is the only thing I put on hotdogs. Absolutely will not run a burger or anything else and catch up. Forget about a hey catch up okay. Only forget it even with French fries like. How do you get French fries and a catch up now? Wow this is you should have been in the hot take off I guess. So what else do I like those. The only thing like I don't like I don't like condiments although I love buffalo sauce okay wings wings. Because they don't like wings on the bone. Aw I don't like to eat meat off the bone so anyway batch challenge. I decide to mind over matter. Scorpion was easier than the except that for me was really really disgusting. So Gross Shogo like would you know I think I could do the pig snap because I think I would be like. Oh that's like meet but it wasn't like me wrong wasn't doing now. It had hard bits in it. Oh okay do you know when you eat a piece of meat and there's like the the gristle or whatever it is you bite into and you're like Oh yeah. It was like that all the way through in the Amazon. We had a gross food eating challenge and I competed in it. I it was individual so I was like well. I'm just going to go up until like I. I don't embarrass myself myself. But I'm just like but I think that the way that they had in second chances where it was a team challenge. There was a lot of pressure on all of you a a lot of pressure especially from the sidelines too because I remember Tasha chanting like go like okay. I got the choice the thing that was fun lifetime ago. Well when I was watching it though I thought it was so funny because the episode that I watched that you know you were you were swapped with Joe and ask you. There's there's Kelly and Joe and I know from like the end of that season that maybe you guys were in a great place but it seemed like that by the end of this past season it seems like that you joe became very close. Yeah I really I really do like Joe I can key has such a pure soul like he really just wants the best for people And so yes I really do the Joe I think in the game we never ever GonNa work out But yeah I really liked Joe and like I said earlier super super happy for him in Sierra. What a great story? They're going to have beautiful children here. Like six feet tall and probably athletes. And you know what good on that very luxurious hair. Oh great hair. Oh my God yeah ridiculous. That's beautiful together. I can't take it posted on on instagram and really look with models message. Sarah like and you literally stop like I'm feeling bad about myself. Not Really I always. I'm telling them they're great because they are but Kellyanne. I'm glad we're able to have some some fun talking about your your survivor. Experience at the after twenty. Four hours straight of of All the unpleasantness with the current state of survivor Yep Sometimes you just need to. You're find a little humor tough time. So how about thirty gopher hepatitis. Let me let me ask you. What what what other things do you have any good Rim daily stories. Or did you. I know in the game that you guys did not get off on the right foot but did you guys everb- serve patch things up on the edge of extinction. Did Patch things up. I think she really really lack green because such a beautiful moment in the show to when she was like you know what and she was mad and she was mad at you but then you were out in the sun and Chagas. Aw She's like you know you you you made me mad and I but I don't WanNa get some bird. It wasn't really free. Yeah no we're we're all good. I think we did passionate up there. I think really bonded over You know we're getting voted out for both of us. I don't know if anyone saw the secrecy and rammed his peacefully sleeping. Ause you you know. Basically telling him all the things he did wrong Those great but can't good earlier some funny moments in las despite it also being awful. I wanted to call our call. Ream to get her take on on Dan. I feel like there's no way. Yeah Salau I talked to her after the first episode and she didn't love him then it was like you know what this guy and he's a as a put his head on Kelly and she doesn't want that like knock it off. We wanted to tell it. Newsradio doesn't think we'll give it to you the way that she thinks it is. She's is really funny. Yeah she sent me messages on INSTAGRAM responding to some of the stuff I posted. It's always. It's always quite funny. Because they can imagine her saying it that makes it. That makes it better when I can think about how she would be saying. It'd be if we were in person so do you have any sense of of WHO's GonNa win this season. Oh Wow okay so I do feel like there were a couple of people last night. Who didn't really get hit any negative? They weren't shown in a negative light at high in. I mean yes I hear what you're saying and I think one people Tommy Tommy was a little villainous for really the for the first time last night that he see I just thought that he came across very aggressive in terms of that like why we have to go after Kelly and then I just thought that he came off not super negative thought he came off somewhat negative for the first time. Hey in comparison yes Easter and saying he was the ninety negative. Yeah I do think also nothing. The D. wasn't really look like he wasn't really involved in anything. I don't know the Dean can win. I'm recently saying hey hold Kelly heads up. Sure I I I know I agree with that And then he well obviously Janet. I love. I'm sure glad I don't think Jackie win. They'll well no I don't think so either. Which is which is really frustrating? Because she even fed herself she was in such a great spot and then immediately now is in a terrible spot which is funded the swing coming up survivor. But it's unfortunate that it happened but just in terms of who came away unscathed from this. I really feel like and I feel like that. She was is a right now. No I'm not gonna say that she was. She was unstained by Ab- -centia in Elaine Gene. That I feel like that Elaine was totally purple in this episode sword. Yeah so when it was I mean she was the one that told. Damn Hey. Hey Dan everybody's GONNA everybody's but we didn't hear any Elaine editorializing anything that was is going on which maybe that's like. Hey we still want you to like away. The only seen where she was seen in my opinion Dan negative negatively was the scene where Dan and Elizabeth Miss Your Ambi- Aaron Rolls Up and then Elaine pulls up and the five of them and Elaine says something About you know we like you screw Janet or whatever there was something like that. Yeah she says we're not going to let anybody get in between We got a good thing going. We're not let anybody screw this up right like like they're just trying to make things up about you. Short on to like cause a cause issues. The only thing that was a little negative apart pardon conversation but I do see what you're saying that she wasn't like involved in the conversation at tribal or anything like that right right I think thank you think. I don't know I feel like that. Well coming into this episode. I felt that we had a lot of contenders and I felt like that Jamal and Kelly I feel like world people that were in the mix and I kind of feel out of it so I do think that Tommy has a has a strong chance I think that Lauren is somebody also who has a A. Ah A shot at it yeah. I don't think that she's like it. Did Not go great for Lauren. Last night on the episode but in terms of her position I think is very good because I think that she still has the closer tie with missy thing MRIs also in a good spot as as Elizabeth and Erin so I feel like that for me. I think it's down to like six of the not a Lane Elizabeth Missy Lauren. Tommy Aaron. Think think that's I think that's it unless I'm forgetting anybody. If a tough one. It's kind of hard to sit here and say who I think because I'm still a little bit charged urged from last night so short. We're not there yet difficult to be all like no way cool like I'm thinking about who it's like. ooh Anyway not want their in that one. That's an easier question. Yeah we'll Kelly. I really appreciate you coming on and talking talking about. We've been planning this for a while. This wasn't the you know. The week didn't go as we expected originally but I I really appreciate I think listeners also really appreciate you being there to talk about all this. Yeah I appreciate you having me and we have been planning planning this. And it's unfortunate that it was on this week and I hope again that it's if this I hope people understand. Obviously this is tough Stuff to talk about and so You know appreciate everyone listening and I hope that I hope that we can just enjoy the rest of the season in and move forward and then everyone involved is okay And Yeah it really means a lot that you come on and do this like like Under any circumstances because that it's you know I feel this is a long long time that we've been talking on the PODCAST. I mean it is wild of five years of your survivor career. I it goes goes by fast but then it's also like boy. That's a lot of time. I feel like we've had a lot of fun now over the years. Yeah we don't really know the survivor days. We'll talk about about Intend to second chance chance and podcast and recap and really fun even longer than five years to be honest it does it does but I just it from the bottom of my heart. I just really appreciate you coming on and and chatting with me for all these years. Thanks rob I appreciate it and I only. I only accept positive twitter feedback. So that's a good rule. Nothing good will anything nice to say. Don't say anything at all Yeah that's that's that's not bad. You won't be blocked. Yeah and I know you don't you don't tweet a ton now. This is not like back. It's not like way back when but if people still follow you in case the tweets are coming. Hey you never know. I'm going to get back into it never now like I said I've been taking a little break a little a little break away from it all if the lot recharging the battery recharging mattering sometimes you have to. I think people recently talking about deleting their social media and all this it's like wow that's that's good. I don't think I could actually do that. But I'm impressed with people who can people that just say I'm out. Well Yeah because you know what it probably is not good for a lot of US gives us a great platform. Talk about things like this but there is so much negativity sometimes. That doesn't make you question. Mike you know what is what am I doing here. What is good in this? I definitely understand saying that I feel like I'm so attached to it because also what I do with the podcast and all the feedback that I get which is ninety eight percent and lovely. I do get a lot of feedback with the podcast and I and I feel like the part of the podcast is like having that sort of conversation but yeah I do think about like if this was. If I didn't have to do the podcast I think I would. I would never turn it on you. Think so that's good and I will one thing I do. It probably would check it just as much. That'd be bored. Yeah that's what I mean. It's so stupid like I should read a book. Like why am I to spending three hours on instagram or twitter. So don looking the people's lives but I will say I did appreciate your response the other day to a certain tweet and you know what I'm talking. Yes okay. How look? It's not necessary. It's not necessary from a because the not the not the first tweet that that that some and and I just like for me it means a lot for me that that people come on and talk to me about this stuff and you have other things that you could be doing and I want you to have a nice experience and I want you get hate from anybody. You're like why do you have to get in negative comments. Cast I now now I was. It was more Humor for me and I did appreciate the people who are like well. I'm going to listen and I don't claim to be everyone's cup of tea and and that's fine right like there's people that I am not interested in that you talk to as well like just absolutely have to listen like half. Listen that I love person. Listen there's other people will not as being a fan of but there's just no reason to go online and try and bash people because it's just not. It's just not helpful. It's not like it's not constructive. It's just kind of being mean to be mean and I do appreciate that it was. It was done in great taste and it was quite funny l. i.. Nobody has to announce what movie they're not gonNA see. Nobody's announced like. Hey Jimmy Fallon. I will not be watching the show tonight because I don't like this guest and adding them it's unnecessary the podcast. The Nice thing about Rha JP. It's like it's like the bus if you missed one. There's another one coming so you're fine. You're fine I know I'm finding was really funny so created. Yeah well I didn't. I didn't even know that you I guess so if you're not if you're not tweeting a lot you're out of sight out of mind. No more of an observer at this point so yeah I see a lot of things that just. Don't respond Joe. Did you get the Disney plus. Oh No I am too many other things I had cable Hulu. We Have H. B. O.. which is a separate thank What else do we pay for in net flix? Yeah we've got a family one because apparently the whole family uses it so we've got the upgraded one Maybe adding another business person. No no now not really Now what's what's now own. I saw that you had gone for your anniversary to Disney his knee recently. Well I doubt that okay. That was more a part of the survivor. Finales trip MHM. That wasn't on our own. That was like when in Rome. Let me give Disney. Yeah no if I'M GONNA go somewhere out of my way and take a flight smarts it's GonNa be can sit by and do nothing fina X.. Like a relaxing vacation to me is not Phoenix going to Disney. Were all screaming in kids and enjoy enjoy if you can go siblings that they don't have screaming kid. Yeah go ahead my time yes all right well let me let you get back to your time but again thank you. Thank you so much for all your time but then then also all of your incredibly thoughtful and well-spoken thoughts about this a crazy week in survivor. Well I don't know if it was well-spoken because I was still cross us saying everything but I appreciate you chatting with me and Yeah yeah hopefully we can do it again. Thanks for biting all right Kelly. Thank you so much okay I already there you have it. The Great Kelly Wentworth really enjoyed getting adding to catch up with Kelly tonight that we had a lot of stuff from this week. Important stuff that we needed to talk about greater catch up about some old times to as well we have one of the all time greats. Kelly Wentworth aright. I have another podcast coming up. I am working on putting together for for over the weekend. I have several interviews that I'm working on lining up with different people. Who have some expertise talking about this subject matter from this week and survivor plus I will also be talking with Nicole and the way it's GonNa work? I'll end up. Probably answering feedback questions with Nicole and then doing some interviews with a few different people. So it's GonNa be a little bit of a different format for the feedback act show so that's coming up this weekend so be on the lookout for that and then I'll talk with Josh wake lawyer and then we'll even play this week in in survivor history quiz with Jordan. Our special guest nick I A- Danza. Who talked to you in a little bit so looking forward to catching up with him again? Thank you guys so much for listening listening to all of this hope that you enjoyed hearing from Kelley today and hope you're doing great take care bye.

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Kimmi Kappenberg Recaps the Premiere of Survivor: Edge of Extinction

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Kimmi Kappenberg Recaps the Premiere of Survivor: Edge of Extinction

"Kerm new apartment. It's rob has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who always has a wide variety on the podcast menu. I am rob sister. Nino liberty. Welcome to rob. As a podcast here. Talking about the F of extinction season premiere. We've got a great guest for you today here on the podcast Kimmy cap. Berg will be joining me to talk about everything from the premiere. Of course, she played with Joe and Kelly ins of Ivor Cambodia tell you about everything from last night with Kelly Wentworth, of course, if you miss it last night, the survivor know, it alls Kimmy cap Berg's, work spouse, Stephen fish back and I went over everything on our live season premiere of the survivor note. All's that is up on rob as a website dot com. No exit press this seasons of you're looking for an. Interview refreshing, your feet sorry to say that we are not going to be getting exit interviews with the survivors. Because who knows if and when they're coming out of the game. So sorry about that. 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For twenty percent off your first purchase. If you want the perfect fitting shirt, regardless of your shape or size. Try the original untucked shirt and remember use the promo code, rob. For twenty percent off your first purchase at untuckit dot com. Art, everybody. I'm very excited to bring in our guest today to talk about the survivor edge of extinction premier is a my pleasure to welcome back with us, the two-time survivor icon Kimmy cabin Berg Kimmy. How are you? I am great. I'm doing very well. Thank you little bit jelly. I didn't get third shot still waiting not yet. Not yet. Timmy, not yet. What table fourteen years or so? You know, what I have another Levin years? If you went back now you'd be a head of schedule. Yes. I know. What? So Kimmy I was so happy that you reached out before the season started said that you wanted to talk about this season. And which makes me thrilled. When when anybody does that especially you and that you wanted to come on and talk about this. What was the appeal about this season? Was it that Joe and Kelly? We're going to be back. Yes. Yes. It was. Having a chance to play with both of them and seeing them in past seasons. It's just great to see players growth. And that it's also, you know with the second season that we all played on together. It was all returning players. So it's going to be very different challenge for them. And I wanna see how far they can get David Aubrey. Playing against new players because that's a whole nother challenge for returning players. That's for sure my opinion. Okay. Can you enough about them right now? Let's let's let's get back to you that what what are you up to these days? Now, let's see I moved after my season ended in aired. What was that like rears ago in December? Joan I think it was twenty fifteen I think yell so so yeah. Those three years I've had a lot go on. I moved from Texas to Florida. Unfortunately, I lost my brother my brother died two months after that season. Avia? It was terrible. But it made me wanna get closer to family. I moved to Florida to be with my mom and dad and six six weeks later, I met and fell in love with love, Molly and got married nine months after seven married. No over a year now and we relocated, South Carolina. And so now, I have family New York family down in Florida that I can go back and forth and see. You know? Being a housewife a huge different thing for me. Yes. Yes. Well, congratulations on the. The romance Kimmy. Yes. And then. Yeah, that's nice. At least you're on the east coast again. And so you're able to not as difficult to travel around. No. And it makes it a lack of a lot easier being in the same time zone. I mean, just being our time zone off it just really screws you up when he want to visit or even make a dang phone call. Yeah. It's rough. It's rough and your boys are doing good. Gosh. My boys are great. They both made AB honor. Roll my twelve year old six foot one. Walk around and like these giant Hooker heels shoes. So that way I can be taller than him. And even those aren't working right now. Like, he's like, mommy. All right. Mark cam. He's he's six foot one and he's twelve. Yes. Wow. Bottomless pit I can't stop feeding him. There's just not enough food. And you talked to right. Yeah. I'm about five ten Joe, I'm striking out of existence. That's going right Orion. When I gotta look up to my twelve year bowls. And he was told her than me when he was eleven Dane, you know, I still wanna be the mommy figure. Well, he me happy to hear. Everybody's doing good. Yes. Doing greats. Okay. Kimmy? Let's let's talk about this from last night. Of course, you played with Joe and Kelly Kelly was more in the middle of things last night where Joe's try was able to avoid going to tribal council for this first week. How did you think that Kelly fared in the first night back? Kelly was smart because right from the beginning. She said, you know, she's a little bit of a closed off person. But she realized the importance of making an alliance. So I know that he she does wanna get on the lines right away. And I think it was her in the Lauren. By NO. They were bonding over volleyball sessions and stuff. I think I think that was good that she found somebody that has a commonality so that she can go and do things. But then of course, Wendy seeing them as a power couple. So damned if you do damned if you don't. But I think it's very important that Kelly does make an alliance, and she she seems to be doing that I felt badly for her on the challenge though when she fell and whacked her head. She has such a strong player. You know, I it's it's one of those things where. Survivor equalizer and even when you're on top of your game. And you know, she's a great player. She's great is player. And she's a very smart player, but he will saw her full and she had the the wounds from the from the challenge to prove it, what was your relationship like with Kelly on second chance because I remember I remember that you were anti the witches Kovin. Right. But then, but then you guys me working together. When you guys went to that type vote between when you tried to get Jeremy out at the final six. So did you have a good friendship with Kelly? Kellyanne I she'd income ender and one of the tribes swaps. So of course, she was an outsider because we were all very much by on strong. So Kelly in our book, you know, the outsiders from from the other tribe. It was easier to go in vote them off. So some course, I was staying with my core the beginning, especially Wigglesworth than fish back in Jeremy in them. But after a while, you know, you gotta use people they're using you too. So how would I I mean I like Halloween killing. I we had a lot of times when there is a word challenge is me and her sitting in we the only thing that we ate that day was handful of dry rice, not even handful literally windfall. And we were just talking and talking about her dad's in our families and stuff. And so we really got to get close. I mean, you know, how it is. When you're out there. There's only so much that you can talk about the people that have been with for ten twenty days. And then when you get, you know, person to talk to you find out that they're not always the enemy, and that commonality is something that can bring onto your side to to help you in the vote. Unfortunately, when it came down to my tribal that I got voted off on my ten year old candidates ill holding a grudge. He's like I don't like her. He saw her last night. And he's like I want her to get voted out. Mommy 'cause she voted you out. She told them to let you to let you go that night. I was like being. Wow. Little bitter. Yeah. Was seven after times. Now, he's like, no mom. You can't you can't root for her. I don't remember. With all due respect. I don't remember the exact circumstances of how that all went down. And I know that there was that. So you had wanted to make the flip. And then you were going to vote with Kelly and with with Keith and try to vote out Jeremy so how how did it end up coming back on you? It was very Keith nail said he would've gone to the house, right? Yes. Well, because Jeremy Spencer had demanded yes, Jeremy went and played the hidden, immunity idol and then Kelly played a hidden immunity idol, so tasha Spencer. Jeremy had voted out, you know, put down Kelly's name, and then telling me Keith poten- Jeremiah's name and came down to it was it was like a tiebreaker of some sorts of zero zero right? And then my original alliance with Jeremy they felt so be. Trey that they put my name down. And we were all gonna put down Tosh is name, and it just it just spirals out of there. Because had we had no one wanted to break that tie. Keith what went home? And then it was like, okay. We'll keep really didn't do anything. So. Try. It was about two hours reading the fine print of the rules of Tiber thirty never come up before. Do you feel like if you would have somehow been able to stay instead of Keith that that you could have either gotten back with the Jeremy Spencer and tasha or just would've been a matter of moving up one place. I don't know. This game because anybody can take somebody off out there, and you can start opening of somebody's is maybe maybe a, you know, Germany, could I talked to him maybe Tosh. I could've got hurt a flip and been like, look we can have the three girls at the end because there was no way that keeping Spencer breaking up. Jeremy was so smart because he knew just because of the dynamics of the group that nobody was gonna put down keep Spencer's name to win. You know, I had a chance of somebody put my name down to win sorted Wentworth. So you bring the people that aren't gonna win. I mean at the bottom line is everybody wants the million dollars to bring home to your family. Jeremy was very smart. And my biggest problem is I should have known that. Jeremy had another idle because he played the one for fish back throughout the game writers, no way that man that loves his family so much go in ways that idol on somebody of all people, right, right? But at that point, you just leery with thinking, and I should have. We should have said let's vote off tasha guts really going billing because that came up last season to where we saw that Dan played an idol on Angelina. And if somebody is playing idols for people, then it's it's a good sign that maybe they have another one. Yes. And you know, hindsight is twenty twenty. But when you're out there with the food deprivation and the exhaustion and sleep deprivation because you're not getting very good sleep out there. I mean, you just there and honestly like at the one challenge Keith could mean, but remember tasha native? You know what I mean? But that's that's how it yet. Probably asked me what my phone number was the phone number that I've had for sixteen years. Probably couldn't tell you. You know, what I think about it? And you know, it just gets the point where you're just okay. We'll let me get out the threat, not realizing that sometimes when you take out the support system that hurts threat just as much commu said that Keith had no chance to win. The I've every likes Keith nail. Likes key. That's not a he didn't have a chance. But you said he would have got it in votes at the end. I mean, I don't know that he would have got no votes. But I think me and went worth and Jeremy had better chances. I mean when you look at my final tribal council, you had six players that were there and of those fix he Jeremy and went worse. They had not only played grievously within a couple of years, but they played together on the same season. And then you had tasha Spencer played together on a season. And then you have me who played what fourteen fifteen years prior. And I came a long way with learning the new rules of the game because the Hain has changed so much with hidden a'munity idols and finding these alliances right away. I mean, it was it's been a very different dynamic from the first couple of seasons to the ladder. Then had you kept in touch with Kelly's since then to now. Now. I mean every once in a while, you know, how it is. After the first everybody does and you know. Send messages once in a while and back and forth in the end. It just something that fades out, you know, you might get on Facebook send him about what not it's just, you know, your immediate life takes over, you know, just like people they lose touch with some college friends Rozier wish him a Facebook Abeille wish or something. But yeah. It's not like, we're buddies. But I mean alum the girl, I know that you have your real life. But is there one survivor in particular that you keep up with the most? I mean fish back in time. I mean, I love my husband ever again life just happens. But it's like every once in a while, you shoot a random message like Jeremy, and I I message Jeremy like, oh, I'm thinking about you. And it we do that a couple times a year just because like, okay survivor coming back, and it made me think of by on beach, and I was on my on beach with Jeremy thirty six days. So you remember those things. Okay. I wanna talk with you about the woman that we saw get voted out last night. And that was Reema who I thought I thought was a lot of fun. I I sort of I didn't love the idea of this twist where we're gonna keep people around. But then I was happy that like, okay, I'm good. We don't have to say goodbye to re-met. What was your opinion on ream? Well, first of all, I don't like she says, I wasn't going to tell people. How old I was in that. I'm a mom. She's forty seven. It's not like, she's seventy seven forty seven. You're still very healthy fit capable individual. Lots of women that played survivor. You know, probably like a quarter two third have gone up there as moms, you know. And they're just as many dads out there too. I think that she's. A lot of brain. And her personality is definitely one that you wanna see because she doesn't back down any Jeff even sadder. You a confrontational person over at tribal council. But I didn't understand gona taking other people's stuff that were like, you know, wet clothes that were drawing on trees in lying down in the sand. The sand is not going to dry it. Make you itchy and. Attract more bugs, the trees the open breeze. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that was a common question when I asked the listeners to what are the kinds of things you want to hear Kimmy talk about and the the idea that reimbursed up about how a, hey, they were this was age bias that this was because I was a mom that they wanted to vote me out that is very common that we see a woman who is a mom end up being the first person voted out, you think that ream was a victim of that stigma, or do you think that it was what renamed did that got her voted out? What did billeted out? I mean. She had advantages. I mean, even Wendy's said that she appreciates the mom figure in her. She's lonely. So did Keith he said, you know, he's a nineteen year old mama's boy, so you have that comfort and advantage. I think the problem was that he couldn't swim Wendy. She even admitted that she's a little bit socially awkward with her to reds. And I think that it was a natural draw for rain to go to them and teach Keith how to swim and whatnot. Well, when you three people that may be perceived as weaker and. It's just an easier. Target for anyone of Ray to be having their name written down. I and I think with ring clashing. I mean even trauma council when she was talking Wentworth. She's like, what do I have to do show you strong? You want me to have a wrestling match with light worth not me like she's she's feisty a good personality to to watch think the arguments, and I think her taking people's clothes, and they can't find stuff it. It's just, you know, everybody wants to come together and isolating those three people made it a lot easier for the other seven to be like, okay. You know, what the first three tribal councils this is gonna be an easy in easy pick. And just you know, just having to be reined up. More votes was the idea of there being any sort of like bias against the mom type something that was in your head. When you went back to play a second time or any. Thing that you tried to change while you were there. No. I mean, I wanted to not be like a mom. I wanted to be more like the cool. No one is going to have your cover story when you're sneaking out. Yeah. I mean, you either you have a maternal instinct or you don't at especially when you do have kids, you have you tend to have that nurturing vibe in new, but I just think that you know, Reims she was clumsy. She. She was a lot of fine. But when I was out there, I made sure I pulled my we I didn't try to draw any attention to me and in my head when I was playing I'm gonna do everything I can to just kind of blend in give my opinions on things and get the hell out and let everybody else decide. So I wasn't a doormat. And I was actively participating, but I wasn't gonna go and smother everyone. And that was different than what you did the first time that you went out there with that. Some was that something that you change consciously or with something that you know, with fourteen fifteen years. You're not the same person that went to go play in the outback. Now. I mean, the first time I've played I was single twenty something New Yorker, you know, made it on my own did everything on my own. And I knew it all well in my forties. You kinda learn they don't know a damn thing. So it was a completely different perspective. And know, they know how the game was the first time. I went out there with the mindset of hey, I'm going on in adventure. The second time was I'm getting some redemption. I wanna push myself in being example to my kids to show them that you know, what second chance do happen. You might not have gotten, you know, the resulting wanted the first time the something, but you adapt to the environment in the rules of the game. So to speak. And you go with it. And that's what I found works for me. You know, I had some really good connections out there. So. I felt that Remo was really big personality to go out on this. I vote and I was talking with somebody last night about the mount Rushmore of first people off of survivor and on my mount Rushmore of the first people off. I said, okay. I think I would have Sonia. But I think I would also have Deb from back in the trillion out. And and Deb is another person who is a woman who I think she was was she and her forties. When you guys played. Yes. Golly. I feel bad about the whole damn dead vote. I really do. But for for me. Again, when I get out there. It was kinda like, okay. Well, she was a little bit awkward with some of the conversations that we had first night. Like when everybody was kind of goofing off in the in the tent that we made in the camp. So it was kinda like, okay. I don't wanna be the first one voted off. Everybody's voting for her will then I'm not voting for her. I will I'm not I'm gonna vote for her because exceeds my ass, and my ass from there isn't rates. I think it's it's the easy. It's just the easy target. And I feel so bad debt is so sweet. And she's so nice. You know, when you go back in hindsight, it's always should have done a little bit more change my ways, but what a coulda shoulda. But that's what happens on these first votes where you know. Name gets out there. And then it just sort of snowballs where then. Like, I think that you know, Reema hadn't done anything that was too bad. But then once she heard that her name was out there, then it really spun out of control for her with that the same for Deb. Well, there's a big difference with Deb's bullet out and rains out because Raim didn't even get the majority of the votes, she only or votes and five five other votes distribute distributed between three other eight. Yes. You know what I mean dead? It was a unanimous vote. So that kind of tends to hit your heart a little bit harder. It's like, you know. Okay. Everybody needed me like even remotely over in in the conversation at tribal council. You know, Warhol was like, okay, we all like everybody. But one person and she's like, okay. We'll everybody hates me. And he's like, no that's not even in word on didn't even put Reims name down. He put Wendy's name now. So you can't sit there when only four people voted for you and take it as a giant attack. When other names were written down. You know, it wasn't a unanimous thing. So it's not quite as humiliating. I would suppose we're you scared that it was going to be you because I remember from that I f Assode from your first season. You know, you guys are all talking and flayed at night. And like Jeff Varner is like oh my God. Go to sleep. She keeps talking. So it seemed like that. It seemed like that. Potential votes coming your way. Well, the first night it was a little bit dramatic. But everybody was having a conversation a little bit and appropriate. But I think it was just like that anxious nervous energy. Everybody was feeding off of each other. I mean, everybody was talking about forty or seventy Varner foreign aid or something and and Deb's like, well, I don't do that. And then it came the conversation of well, everybody. Everybody needs to let one out you won't be so tight. I made it was just it was just silly juvenile stuff. But I think it's at anxious nervous energy with anticipation that just culminated. And then once you're out there showing your abilities capabilities. I didn't think that I was gonna get votes out, you know, at tribal council because unfortunately, dab wasn't quite a what wasn't meshing quite as well with everybody else. So it was kinda like, you know, just let her go because it was an easier vote will listen to Deb stories all day, but let me get back through seasoning, thirty eight. So they ended up giving us this edge of extinction twist this season. And I love to know your thoughts on how you thought it landed last night. You know, whenever you have an opportunity to come back like get voted off. I think that it's that was that. It's been twist on the trying to change it because it's been going on for a while. But I mean, obviously, I was playing out there, and I got voted off. It's like, okay, I want I want to chance to redeem myself. So I mean that was I mean that was kinda cool especially with a personality like reengage voted off because you know, that she's got. Should be interesting person to watch. So so having the edge of extension the opportunity to bring that drama back. You know, I think it's I think it's great. I mean, there's sometimes a works out. Sometimes it doesn't. But I I'm I'm excited now because I did like rings personality. His it isn't entertaining value. But when you be scared where the oh, okay. Sure. Let me go get a chance to get back into the game. But then they bring you in that boat. And there's like nothing there. It's like, okay. Get off in in the middle of the night. Like, I don't know if you're scared. They drop you off in the daytime. But I mean, I remember when we when I played in Amazon like we got to where we were going to play and it was like almost night. And like the first time the good like it turned nighttime when we were there. I was petrified and the game didn't even start. And we were with everybody. Yes. Well, we'll be a little bit of comfort as far as at least by yourself. You know that when you're out there. They don't have to worry about anybody stabbing in the back. I mean, truly are you ever exactly really alone? Because you do have a camera. I guess I guess with pretty dark. Yes. But I do think it was funny though, because when she left tribal council, you know, she's mumbling under her breath. I hope it pours rain down on these people. Well, then it starts raining. And now here she is not only going to this edge of extinction. Now is in the middle of the night. Like, you said she doesn't know where she is. And it's pouring rain on her. So she had to really go and figure it out with the elements not in her favor. But you know, I think that point she's probably so exhausted. That should probably have a better sleep there than everybody trying to snuggle up on the shelter. Oh, you think so fire there? Well, she had a little torch. I guess so I guess you're right. I didn't think about that. There next to you or whatever try to find some dry wood. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like that. Once they get it set up. I feel like maybe it might not be so bad. But I feel like that that would be very rough to be sitting there, and you still board. Anyway, it's not like we have these seasons where okay go to redemption island for or go to exile island for a day. And then you come back. I mean, this could be set up here for a couple of weeks ream, we have no idea. I mean the longer that she stays the longer that she's in the game. So I mean, it's it's a fun. Little twist opportunity. I think I just hope that she every single person that shows up there that she's there just like chew them out. That's what I would really like on. I mean, I would imagine that they would have to either give her some rice or fishing gear. I mean, maybe nothing. But I mean, there's got to be coconut on the island. I mean, it's almost like, okay. All your supplies. Now are yours. Do what you want? And you don't have to worry about people sabotaging hoarding, and I mean, maybe she'll do better off there for a little bit. Just don't maybe just the worry about moving anybody's close like this. Get good. For ream. Right. There's no laundromat that needs to be taken care of. And. Yeah. Still still do well there. Yeah. I mean, I I think that I I would know that I would do well there. I mean, especially since she is among you know, you want that peace in quiet. You never get peace and quiet. So now, she can go and appreciate the stillness of her Lila and the other returnee with with Kelly's David do you have any feelings about about David? David is being optimistic. I think that David is perceived as such a threat. So I don't I don't I don't know. David is smart. And he has the attitude that he wants to go out there and be a friend for people. I think that's you know, that's good. He wants to be a friend and people are coming to him. He's not being bossing showing off your coming to him and asking opinions. So I think that he may last a little bit longer until strategy comes in then they're gonna want him to go. I saw that. There was some talk online that people felt like that Kelly came off like a villain a little bit last night. Did you get that at all? I don't know if I saw her as a villain, but I saw her probably feeling more comfortable that she was with the majority of her tribe. You know, the seven that we're kind of seeing a, you know, Wendy Riemann Keith together. So I feel like she felt a little bit more secure. Maybe not maybe a little bit of comfort ability gut to her. But I don't know so much about being a villain. It's funny. These shows where you know, Kelly is presented as an underdog through. You know, certainly, the, you know, the second chance season, and she's the most unlikely of underdogs there as somebody who came from her first season, and then came back, and then nobody was expecting her to play the game that she played the second time around but the audience they they root for. The dog. And now all the sudden Kelly is not seen as the underdog. She's part of the big alliance. That's picking who's going to go home. And all of a sudden she could be doing the exact same stuff. But now she's in the majority, and it's like, hey, we're rooting for scrappy underdog ream to, you know, stick up for herself against the the people that are trying to knock her out of the game. Yeah. I think that people are also. Going for reams little alliance. Wendy, that's the girl via Wendy and Keith. Well, I mean, Wendy, I think because she showed her loyalty from the beginning. And that she likes her being a mom and said that, you know, she's my alliance because the two people ward along I think it was David that went to her and said, hey, we want to write down rooms name, and then because of her loyalty they saw that as a threat every hurting name down at travel council. So I think that her being an underdog just with her sweet nature and showing her loyalty, and and that was already perceived as a threat by some big guys in the game that people are gonna root for Wendy also can be isn't it crazy? How far survivor has gone where then like two people like, Wendy and reim-, and they go talk to Wendy. And they're saying we're gonna vote out reams. I won't do that. She's my friend. And it's like what what is like what is what is wrong with this psychopath? Why should he? Bush's. She won't vote her Brenda. What is she's crazy? We can't work with a person like this. Well, you've gotta find those next. Then you never know. I mean in the back of her head. She may be thinking I mean, she she might be Wendy might be sweet and innocent on the outside. But she might be thinking on the inside. Okay. I already know that they don't like her. Let me keep her because then she'll be an easy vote off later on. You're just don't know what's in somebody's head. I mean, you can't think that everybody's as naive as they appear to be or their decisions seemed to be because there's a lot of time to think in value. Wait reevaluate while you're out there. So I mean when you may have an ulterior motive for having reams back, but the beautiful thing about survivor when you're out there is that you're bringing people live such diverse backgrounds. They are g geographic backgrounds. Their age is such wealthy. Their religions intelligence and people who would not were narrowly cross cross paths in life. They're coming together. And they're finding a connection. I mean when would Wendy and Reema ever meet in the real world, most likely wouldn't. But there because they were kind of outcasted even though they were both coming. To common bond to help. He they found a connection that in the normal world, you wouldn't. And that's a beautiful thing about survivor. No, that's a really great point. I saw a article that was written yesterday about that. And it talks about survivor being a very unique show where you have all these different people from all these different backgrounds and. In a perfect world. You know, anybody can win survivor receive all these all these different people from all these different walks of life. Come in. And win this show. And you know, it is a unique thing in that way. Yes. It definitely brings everybody into an even playing ground and things that you think would be assets can sometimes hurt you. I mean, Joey amazing. I mean, he's a physical asset. But the things that make him strong. He's really super nice guy. But that also is your weakness out there because people target you for your strength. I mean, just as easily as they target somebody their visible weaknesses as well. Talk to me about Joe, by the way that article that I'm talking about is from the observer dot com Weiss survivor. Our last middle-brow cultural artifact is more vital than ever before. Was if anybody I'll I'll link to it in the in the show notes if anybody wants to read that. But yes, Joe, Joey amazing is back. Kimmy talk to me about your you lose with with Joe on by on beach. What what was your takeaway about your time with Joe? I mean, Joe is just a good natured guy. I mean, he's just a nice guy. He's not arrogant, he his family's beautiful family. And he brings that family values and cores with him, and that's being helpful and kind and doing what he can. And that's why like last night Humaid fire. It's you know, he's his family is very nurturing family, and that is what he brings into the show, plus his strength need. He he's got what three or four sisters. So he's always been the taking care of the only boy kind of thing and look out. And I think that's what he brings out on survivor too. Do you feel like the Joe is set up? Well, where you can see a scenario where Joe goes on to win this thing now. Okay. Why? Already last night had two people. You had a firefighter. He was talking to the kid in the pineapple shirt Gavin. And you know, they were they were talking and Eric specifically said that he does not want to rely on Joe and Aubrey because they had their chances and they want someone new to win. So I think you have again to diverse people that have a common thought like that's why I think the season is so hard whenever you bring returning player with new players. You do have that target that challenge and a lot of Moby like, okay? Well, let's use him for what I can do. I mean, I think it was the lawyer girl was of were wrong. She even said let him make the fire I'm cheering for him. But how long is she gonna chew just enough? Get those comforts in this. First couple challenges until either merger tribe. Swap. And get out and you make your own connections because they want an opportunity to play the game. You know? It. It's he's already had his chance and Joey said he's like, oh, I've got a good feeling about all this. Good vibe. Well, yeah, everybody's working and communicating. But again like we're as. David. He was sitting there. I'm saying, okay. I'm going to be their friends and they were coming him approaching him. Joe still takes on a little bit of a lead by making the fire and stuff. And so people have expectations of Joe yet. That's a really good point. With the Joe thing that you know, it always starts. Good for Joe. I remember in the second chances. You know, oh, Joey amazing Stevens said he's survivor. Macgyver. Andrew savage was gushing wanna. Oh. A guy what? Every loves into start in second chances Joe and fish back did not get along wanting to other I had a sit down. And I said listen to me you to swallow your egos, nobody would expect if we hadn't alliance of me Kelly Wigglesworth. Joe and fish back, and we voted together and got out somebody like Jeremy would expect it. I said, you know, you to coming together for a common cause you need to do that. But you know, couldn't get them to play together in the same day. I'm play pet. You know, I understand the Stephen part of this. Because we we've talked about this a bunch, and I really think it's that that he it's not that he dislikes Joe. But Joe is going to win if you if you leave him out there. What was Joe's issue with Steven? I think it was a trust thing. He's like this guy. I don't wanna work with him. He's trying to vote me out all the time. Yeah. I if you comes a trust thing. And the end he liked having the. I love my island husband. I think he liked having the bigger stronger dies around him because then it was more. Joe Joe Joe did that way. There was more of a chance of somebody else that was more physical threatened challenges to to go ahead and be another possibility to be voted off where eve, you know. See you just it what he didn't have that physical threat. Mel on the other hand with David you know, who is not exactly the same. As Joe angle. Maybe more of like a Stephen that. He seems like that he's trying to get set up being like sort of like a key person in terms of the votes. Maybe and so eventually people are going to learn how to provide for themselves, maybe a little quicker, but if they're relying on like, you know, the returning returning player for, you know, being central to what are we going to do for the plan, and what's gonna happen with the vote like that seems like a harder thing to get rid of. Absolutely. Returning players have a shorter shelf life on the show because you can use their wisdom for starting the fire for suggestions on building the shelter for doing those kind of things. But when it all comes down to it once you're out there playing challenge. I mean, it just depends on what kind of challenge it is. I mean, even Kelly went worth who was so big and strong. She's the only one that got wacked was visibly bruised it it becomes more of a level playing ground and in the beginning. Everybody's still has all their strength for few days because you still have a lot more food in your body from before you left. So once everybody else starts getting weaker. Then it's like, okay. I don't need him to fish. I don't need anybody to do anything because depending on the weather depending on what resources you have out there. Just because he's a great fishermen. If you can't find any fish out, there don't have fishing gear. It's really not gonna matter. I mean, there was plenty times. Joe would go out fishing and wasn't catching anything, you know. So it's just anybody can do that a lot of it's luck. And coconuts. I mean, anybody can open up a full, but let the big guy is open them up because some of those suckers. I mean, you can take forty minutes just trying to rip through all the husking everything. Well, let Joey amazing do it. And let me save my strength for the challenge. Do you feel like that a returning player can win in the end if they're they're with new players because we when you look at these scenarios where people have come back and played yet, rob one when it was him versus Russell, and he was up against Philip and Natalie, but we've seen coach lose to a new player your old, buddy. Mike scooping loss to a new player. Like, do you think there's anything that? Maybe the jury would give the money to a new player as opposed to a returnee in a season. Like this. I mean, if somebody makes it far enough along or they're making those relationships and not burning bridges and anybody could win because I mean, anything changes out there daily. I mean. I think that if you make the right? Choices. And at the beginning, a lot of it is the first couple of votes are very strategic and at the end, I think that sometimes at the end there's strategy, but there's also you have comfortable with your alliance as long as you make relationships, and I think it's anybody's game. I think that a return player could win. But it's I getting over those first initial hurdles of how you're perceived. I think that there's more of an idea of like, oh if you leave the returning players in the game, they're they're going to win. But really, it's not necessarily the case. I guess Cochran one in the fans versus favorites season up against dawn, Sherry. So I guess. Yeah. Relationships in copper, and he had he had a passion and an underdog quality about him. And I mean, he's a likable guy. So in the end, I think it comes down to just what you think I love Jeremy in my second in my second season. Okay. And I it couldn't be mean winning. I wanna man who loves his wife and his family and is all about that. I want him to win. I'm not saying that tasha or Spencer, you know, weren't worthy. But I didn't have as many commonalities with them. So it was like I think it has to do a lot with the personal relationships. And it could be something very simple. You know, it could be as simple as picking number from one to ten. We saw Aubrey also probably the returnee that we saw the least from last night other than we saw where Eric was talking about all we need to keep Joe around. But what if we got rid of Aubrey aubrey's endanger Kimmy? I think so I think that there comes a time where I mean, even just set it at the beginning that oh Aubrey she's she's been out here. What seventy six or seventy eight days. Whatever it was. You know, I think that some people that are new are like look she had seventy something days to play this game. Get her chance we should be at least able to play ten fifteen eighteen gain eighteen days. You know, she already did. She couldn't cut it. Then get around now. I mean, I just I think that there is that animal city sometimes, you know, everyone's use the the the returning players as much as they're gonna use you. That's just the nature of the game. Can we do you think it's an easier on David that it's his second time out as opposed to the third time for Kellyanne for Joe and Aubrey probably like, okay? Well, he's cool. He's only playing his second time. But those guys they're on their third time. That's enough. Well, I mean, there could be a lot of that. But also, I think that David's nature. I I mean, he's not an in your face kind of player, you know, in Kelly's there, you know, when Joe is there, you know, they're Staples. I mean, again, people saw the evolution of both. Aubrey end David is being kind of timid in coming into themselves. You know, so he's a likable person. So I don't think they'd be. An initial threat to get out. But I mean, but Aubrey she smart, but I think that with the difference with Aubrey versus David is. Yes, she has played twice and gone. Very far. So, you know, the returning players like, okay, I the new players like, okay, she she's been out here. A lot get the hell out. I mean, she's been on that island more than people that have been out there, you know, three times. Can you tell me about if Kelly enjo- get to the merge based on your experiencing the second chances, and do you feel like that they will be working together or feel like okay, you do? Yes. I absolutely they will work together. Because when Kelly I merged onto by on each. By on. We were by on strong. Yes. When Kelly first came out our beach right before the swap, right? Yeah. Joe I think had been with her for the merge, I'm sorry. After the swamp seconds for different. So Joe off by on beach and was with Kelly, and then Kelly came back to buy on beach was with Joe those two by on the original by on people that were there were like, okay. What the hell's going on with gel in Wentworth because they did have a connection. I it's they're very similar players. You have the male version in the female version, but did that relationship sour at all. As the game went on. Because I I could be a false memory. I feel like that. After the game was over. I feel like that that Kelly did not love Joe. Well, when you get when the votes are out there, and what people tell you. I mean, I don't know all the dynamics, and I don't honestly just don't remember that. I just think that there's there's a lot of emotional hurt that goes on because you think that you can trust somebody because you did have a bond, but I think that Joe Kelly would be natural alliance at emerge. Do you know, I feel like the two of them would be like, okay. We gotta go find a hidden immunity idol. Let's go and look together and did come together. I just I just feel like like they would. I don't know if they will with the other players, but just from what they were doing together. What what I saw on by on? I think that they would work together the situation where it's the devil. You know is better than, you know, working with these unknowns, absolutely. Okay. I mean, they have the same mission. And you gotta remember when we had the reward challenge, you know, Kelly Kelly was there with her dad Joe is there with his dad once you bring your family into it. It just makes it a little bit more of a bond. Okay. Can be. I know what you took very detailed notes during the last night. Do you have anything from your notes that you wanna make sure we hit? Now, I think that we got you know, what I do wanna talk about as the advantage menu talk about advantage menu. Yes advantage menu. I that I thought that was great twist to be to be able to use that as you see fit. That it's unique unique thing what I did not think was mart guy's name that got that. Ron and Ron. Yes. Funny though because when he found the note. Any add to go digging for it? He's like, oh, I'm gonna go get some water because advantage on the boat when they left the boat initially. Let me go get some water goes out there, and that is rolling around in the dirt and is completely covered in dirt. And then he's gonna come back. Oh, yeah. Just went to the well and got some water that I was just not a smart. You don't want people think digging or? Like rolling around in the dirt. Also. You had a bench full of hundred dollar bills. Made it rain. It was just very silly. Because. It was a little bit more blatantly obvious. But I do like that he can either steal the reward or get an extra vote or get the individual immunity, and that you can only use it for three tribal. So it could be completely mood advantage. Right. I mean, I like that it has the tensile Jimmy. Did you feel like that? There was one advantage in particular that you think was the best of the advantage menu. Well, of course that individual immunity. I think. I I don't know about getting an extra vote if that's going to be really I've just that early on because there's so many votes and like like you saw last night for people had their name written down. So I just think that it's too all over the place. But I think the stealing the reward is a nice advantage. You know to play boost them around of your tribe yet that I know it's a little counterintuitive, but I do feel like that especially with this group because I really feel like that they're going to win a lot where if you could bring back a reward for your tribe. If you if you didn't win it like that you'd be really celebrated for that. Right. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Especially when they were initial, especially if it's a reward or or I mean, well happen the beginning any reward, but when they were on the boat, initially, and they were getting off their supplies. I mean, obviously, there was a lot of food. I didn't I didn't happen to notice. There was a lot of like pots and pans new tenfold, but all the perishable stuff. They were throwing over like the bananas and my book the bananas the complete waste of time because being cumbersome they bruise so easily in the transport, and they rot so quickly. When you're on the beach. Bananas in the first couple of days. They're just they all they do attract bugs. I mean. The pineapples are the better idea my book because they they stayed a little bit longer and they don't get bruised as easily. But I remember when we were over in Cambodia, those Brecon bananas, you got them there. I mean, literally ninety percent of them will bruised and you had to eat them. Right. Then while this is good stuff that nobody. Nobody's ever broken down the survivor produce before here on the podcast. You say all right. We'll give you the shopping list here. Okay. So you're on so somebody who's listening to this that they're going to go play survivor thirty nine there's all of them. So what is the leave the bananas? What should they what's on the shopping list pineapple? I think that the pineapple me personally, I never wanna see mango again. But. I mean, but the even the coconuts then go when they have on the boats. Those are okay to take because they have a longer shelf life than the bananas. What was it was dragging fruit that lasted longer? Yeah. It is. But it didn't bruises easily because the outside of it was firm. What's the dragon fruit? Look like, I don't think they have that on Long Island Kimmy. It looks like last night's and unity dragon ice. Little spikes around the outside of it. All right. So we may see survivor season Kimmy where everybody just leaves all the bananas on the boat. You're welcome. Survivor production. It's going to have going to be up to their eyeballs in bananas. A lot less border for them. You know, because obviously they're not getting bruised. But I mean, that's just my observation Kimmy, what did you think about Reema teaching kief to swim? Do you feel like that she should have done that? Or you think that she should have said, can you believe this guy doesn't even know how to swim? Now every season. There seems to be somebody that doesn't how to swim Jervis on the first one Roger on our. A lot of people that don't how to swim. I think that you wanna you wanna make your team strong because you don't know how long to be with them. So I mean, even as I will who was it was a mean Abby that was teaching tasha because Tosh is not a swimmer Jing on my seat. I mean, so you definitely want to have people that are going to be on your on your tribe. No win. I mean, it's not a water challenges. Right. I remember that you didn't want to get in the water in Australia. But it wasn't as you couldn't swim. Right. You thought the water was gross. Well, Mike had killed the pig. And it was washing the pig right along our beach little leeches, they are. And you know, just like you. We grew up on island. We have ocean oceanward round out water is that thirty grows lake water. That freaks me out. I would rather be shark bait. My chances they are than be crocodile chum. I just I had no desire, and we were in there. But you know, I was also doing firewood and water and everything else. So. Yes. Dirt on me. It's not like any of us walk out of those places clean for crying out loud. I mean when when I was in Cambodia was a fish. I was mermaid everywhere I could be it's just the different environment. I mean, I just I've something about lake water. I don't know if you feel the same way growing up surrounded by a different thing. Just like there's a lot of people that do lakes and rivers that are terrified of the. Shen? There are a lot of crocodiles near where you guys were set up in the. In the outback. Store that they live there. I just didn't run into any. But it's it's just knowing that there. I mean, we're in their waters. I mean, anything can happen. Yeah. Of course, everybody remembers that you were in the ocean. Because that's how you knew where all the giant clams were. Yes. Well, I'm new and I went out, and I would go and collect the clams and then like I made like a little area to put them. So he just go back and forth to the to the clam area. Designated clam spot. I make sure that the ocean wouldn't ever run out of them. Oh my God. I was the ignorance, yes. Because of because of us ten people camping on the beach. We're going to deplete the entire ocean of clams. I mean, it was I mean, it was just silly. She. No, pumpkin. Now. That's right. Okay. Let's bring on some questions from the listeners. David wisher wants to know were there any no, pumpkin. No moments in this episode. Was there anything that you were saying that to the survivors? No. Yes. I guess when the guy was out. Immunity thing after he found his little immunity flu. I mean, why would you roll around and make it more blatantly obvious, no, pumpkin. No. That was definitely a no, pumpkin. No moment. I mean, it just it just made it very obvious that you went more. You went to do more. Go failure flask from the well. Yeah. Was that the way that Ron did that he was like I'm gonna go get some more water? I mean, would you announce it like that on survivor that suspicious the way that he did that or we just go get water? This different ways. I mean, it could be just okay, I'm gonna go get some water. But we all know that when we're out there usually going at what are you saying, hey is anybody else needs some water you on? Kimmy? This is good stuff. I mean, that's just the way you think about it. But it was also the first day. So people really don't know what to expect. It's very different when you're watching it on TV versus when you're when you're out there is those little ops for vacations that you just start picking on right away Kelly when she was talking to David because the one guy the newscaster, right? Yes. He was over by the food and Kelly was watching him going. What is he doing? She's like so suspicious of everybody she suspicious because she's played the game before we while. He's just like, oh, look at the food that we have so much laugh at I look at you and all your Bruce bananas that are gonna be dead tomorrow. We'll do you feel like that that Rick was just like doing sort of like an inventory or do you feel like that? Do you look at it the way Kelly was looking at it like, oh, he's looking for a clue in the stuff that we got from the ship. Now. I don't think he was looking for clo not at all. Well, I mean stuff was all floating around all over the place to win. I think he was definitely doing an inventory. He he looks like a bigger looks like a bigger guy. I'm not saying that as jerk off. But I mean, it's kind of like. But he actually they're like, oh my gosh. It's so much food. It's crazy. And I'm laughing my ass off, our my you have ten people and perishables. Brought out an accelerated rate because they're all ripped up and brew. Living at that that that pilots reading as going. There's nothing here. Maybe they can make some mash out of it and get drunk Kimmy. Were you happy that after a couple of seasons ago when SIA got involved they no longer have these chickens in the marooning? Well, I got I got involved long before. Real sia. What started showing up to those survivor finales is a long time ago? You got some money out of this. Maybe. I mean, I think it's good because there's a lot of times when those chickens I always felt bad for them. Especially being on the boat and getting thrown over. I mean, you can really damage those little guys. There were some chickens that even on our season. They weren't going the wrong way. I'm like these are not flight birds, though, if he stranded out in the ocean, I'm in poor thing. I mean, heavy shark bait. Chickens and sharpie. And the irony is of all things my husband when I married. My husband, his family were chicken farmers. Giant commercial, poultry chicken houses. And I'm sitting there going oh my God. This is going against everything. Are you still a vegetarian Kimmy yet cell has patera Pesca -tarian? Yes. And and the great clams of the sea. But no. Yes. Okay. Felipe? A once did you see any similarities between Deb and rim. I don't think. So I mean, I think the both smart I think that Debs personalities weighed her toned down. So I mean, I think it's maybe that isolated nece. But, but I I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think that Deb was way more quiet. Very smart. But she was just quiet. We're Reno obviously, she had a very dominant personality. She's she's just going to be a character to say. Yeah. That I thought that Deb was like an introvert probably had no business going out and being on television that she seemed like she was very shy and didn't want to necessarily or maybe had a different idea of what this all was going to be about where ream is very big personality. Well, I also think that when you think of survivor Dem's thinking bringing her survival skills and doing stuff like that not dealing with the social aspect of the game. And then also you're looking at the second season versus thirty eight where you know, mixed backs. I mean deficit out there thinking, okay. Well, yes, I live in the northeast. I can hunt. I can fish. I can start fire. I can do these things to survive. It's not that whole school yard picking sides bullying. Being pulling their hair the girl next year kind of atmosphere that. Edward Mars wants to do you think that the extinction island will be a throwback to the early seasons? A lot of people talk about how there's not enough that we get to see the survivors really surviving out there. Do you feel like that the extinction island will satisfy that for people? I think that a well on it's also because there's two less cast members. This these eight others eighteen of the twenty when I played there was only sixteen of us. Yeah. You got to see more of the individual personalities earlier on there were there were people that played last night. I mean, I don't even know like I wrote down their name, and they didn't do anything. Yeah. It's harder to see that. So people wanna see the surviving and whatnot. I mean, I think ream it opened up her eyes when she got out there. And then when he was showing the previews for next week. She's like, oh my gosh. How long I gonna be here. Whatever as well. You sign up for this. You got to be as you. I mean, it's. You know, it's not going to be more than thirty nine days figure it out. Big girl panties and get through Kimmy. Don't read too much into if people we didn't hear from them. Because in the Australian outback Tina did not even get a confessional in. The first episode ruins she won the whole thing. Sometimes you're watching and it's like, okay. Well, they're playing the getting this person a lot of their time the access down. Say they were there. It could go either way. Mike christianson has a good question. Cambodia was a brand new location for everybody playing second chance how much did advantage? Do you think it is for David and Aubrey that they already played on these same beaches in Fiji compared to Kelly? Joe do you think that that is an advantage? And. Depending on if it was like the same time of year like actually the same month that it was Phil films. You'd have more on advantage that way because they know the weather and you'll see no like food sources and stuff into this. I can answer this. So that that Aubrey played in an even numbered season in a game changers, which was thirty four, and this isn't even number Aubrey played in Fiji at the same time David Wright played in the rainier season in Fiji because he played in season. Thirty three. Right. Well, then well, then I went off a better chance. I think it's just then you have the depletion of natural resources outta there too. I mean, I just I don't know how big of a of a radius that they that they get to go explore in whatnot. So. Obviously with the weather in the rain season. You're not fishing as much. So he if he was there, and then Aubrey came during the rainy season, I think that David would have more on advantage because he'd be like, okay. This is what when you have to go when the weather's like this. But because it's a little bit better a little bit drier. I mean, I just think that it's going to be in the even playing field. I mean, you know, everything changes out there. I think that there's a little bit of learning curve of turns of like, okay, this stuff that you could eat this way or you can eat this type of plan. So they have this year. So I think you have this kind of stuff everybody knows like by five or six days there. So just to get started. Maybe maybe a little bit of an advantage to be there before this is from Ian rice. How do you feel about survivor no longer changing locations when filming Kimmy do you care about that stuff? No. I mean, I think that it's easier for productions. So I totally understand it from mama Tarrant standpoint of it. And honestly, the frigging woods in a beach. It doesn't matter really what the location it all the same to us. When you're watching it. It's not like you're going there something here that signifies this. It's not like you're playing Egypt, and you see the pyramids behind you to differentiate, Dr occasion along that. You're yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's sand and water and some trees young it really doesn't matter. I mean, I think it makes more economical sense. The only thing I'm gonna hate whatever they call me back for a third time. And I got to go on another one of those long s flights. I keep putting that survivor. God's third time three times a charm. Okay. So you definitely would play. It was a flight. You don't like flying Kimmy? No assist a damn long flight. And it's just that coming home with anticipation. I mean by the time that we left. Coal wrong. You had to take a boat you had to take a bus yet Tate multiple flights. I mean, it was literally forty eight hours of traveling before I got to the airport. My parents pick me up. In uh there. There were some locations that it's like, okay. You know, it's not quite that that long Kimmy and anything else that you want to talk about from last night survivor premier or survivor Cambodia or survivor. The Australian outback. No. I'm just excited to see. You know, what happens? I mean. It's just it's always fun to see the people the first day and how excited they are. And how clean they are. And how positive they are. And then after a couple of rounds of rain and sleepless nights empty bellies. I love watching the change. It's fun to watch with your boys. Yes. My husband, and I and the boys we all watch every into it. Yes. Well, my husband kinda has no choice. Yeah. My husband was married to somebody else. All the Asli the first time that I played on survivor and his ex wife loved the show, and he's like, that's that's stupid loud. Mouth New Yorker. Oh, I can't stand. That was a good old Georgia white. Well, now here he is married to that big loud mouth. So he watched the show, and he and he had a negative impression of you from the first time around. Well, yeah. Because you know, I was just a big mouth. You a lot of people had. You know, he didn't you know, if you're from not New York. Yes. You have a twenty seven year olds know it all girl. I mean, I can be a little bit overwhelming. You know, obviously changed grownup. And I was like he didn't know it was me when we met, you know, but then one CU once he found out once I told him, it's like, okay. Well, yeah. Was survivor. He's like, oh my God. You're that loud mouth New Yorker girl that I didn't like. Strong impression for fifteen years for remember that. He my husband just said that's about the only time that he agreed with Jeff Horner when? Big. Wow. Now New Yorker and he wants to joke me. Do you feel like that the per trail of you on the show was not accurate or do or do you feel like that? They got it. Right. And you're just a different person. Now. This is what I try to tell people that are on survivor every one of us have moments out there where you shine. Okay. Where you're great and happy sad. Or you could be Debbie Downer for five minutes. And it's just it just goes with the flow of what they're reading. I mean, everything that they show. We did do say it may not quite be, you know, at that time, or they don't show you the surrounding you know, video around it. You know what I mean? So I think that they show it, but I was just disappointed that there was a lot of things that went on in this last season that people that I was on my tribe with were surprised that they didn't show more of like trying to do the planning and. Votes and how much input that I did have a certain thing. They were like, oh, I even there was a funny thing where ninety percent of the time. I was making fire out there for the fire pit and Keith you have Keat sitting there going all you can't make any fire. This isn't this isn't working and same with Jeremy, oh, we can't make fire and that I'd go back, and I'd sit there and make the fire. And then when you know what I'm doing my little confessional sitting there. I guess both firemen and used to putting fires out. They don't outta start them. And here I am gonna fire, but they don't show that this simple little things that show that you play too early. People are now. Now, you now you need to know how to make a fire Kimmy because that's the final four challenge. Well, should have been my damn challenge. I would beaten any one of their butts making a fire towns day, I got voted in Cambodia. How how'd you get so good at that? Because I have a fire pit in my backyard time, I was a single, mama. And it was I don't go out at night. I have my fire pit glass of wine. I had a spare room for any of my friends that might have candidate or the night. And you just stay at my house and drink, and I'll feed you, and I I love my firepit. Did you do it with Flint? Okay. Not at home. You know, what would you still know how to get the kindling going in the junior, and there are some people that. You know, they don't know the difference between something green or they're like, oh, the drift woods. Wet driftwood is great burn. Let it drives fun for a little bit very dense. Would you know bonfires happen all the time with driftwood, you know, so. But but some people they just like I give up a car. All right. So when Kimmy cap Vert plays a third time that we that everybody can note as she key wanna keep her around. She knows what what fruit to eat in. What order what's gonna make good fire? Where the lambs are. Okay. That's right. And I got pretty good at making -vivor coconut popcorn, you know. And if you get a chicken is going to be more for you. If you leave Kimmy Cabourg alone if she's on your tribe. Okay. Right. That's the same thing with the pay. But Mike made the pig. I'm like, look there's more protein for you guys. Whenever word challenge that has burgers more burgers for you. Yeah. We'll now the they do like veggie burgers. This is like the golden era. I know I know at the at the reward barbecue with my daddy. It was cheaper. It was so funny because when we did the one the loved ones visit. Cambodia. My dad who was turning seventy a month later after we did that my dad was at the grill and cooking and they had beers. And somebody gave my dad beer, and that was the first time in my life that I had ever seen my dad. Drink a beer. I was like who gives us man that came to Cambodia like just doing what the locals are doing in Rome when room that was that was a funny in a great moment. Shares my dad well Kimmy thank you so much for making some time to talk to us about all this stuff going on here after the premier anything else. You want to let people know. If they ever go and get to vote people that vote for Kimmy Bertha candidate. The did it once you remember how to do it again people? Okay. It's not rocket tying all just give them more mom, pumpkin. Kimmy? Thank you again. So nice to get the catch up with you. Whenever we get to do one of these. Yes. Well, thank you very much. And yeah, I'm looking forward to next week. Okay. Thanks kimmy. All right. 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Survivor 38 Episode 3 Feedback with Jonny Fairplay

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Survivor 38 Episode 3 Feedback with Jonny Fairplay

"Before we get to our podcast with Jonny fairplay today. People may not know that rob has a podcast has its own apparel store to check out. Our H AP store dot com to get your hands on RH AP, apparel, posters, stickers and more. And we've even got a limited edition saved by the bell. RA J P T shirt available Kersey of our designer Brian Molloy available through this weekend. All at RJ p store dot com. Governor you live from my apartment. It's rob has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who just ordered a new T shirt, and it is about to get his reward. I am rob sister. Nino everybody welcome back to rob as podcast, and we are going to be getting into everything from episode number three season thirty five or the edge of extinction today with a longtime friend a person who was the first guest in the history of rob podcast who's here with me on the line. The great podcast, host of the survivor NS FW podcast survivor hall of Famer the great Jonny fairplay, Johnny. How are you? Wow. Quite the introduction. I just called to say, you have excellent taste and t shirts, and you should expect it and the next two to three weeks. So Johnny fairplay is wearing the shirt, the one that says what does Richard, and rob, and Johnny and Russell, and I always feel like that this shirt is contentious to me because I think it's very unclear which rob the, and I feel like that you leave this intentionally vague, which which are you talking about. Yeah. That's purposely done. I like when people ask me, I reply which one do you think it is who do you want it to be who do you want? Because you say to me like, oh, it's look look, I already have a rob shirt. This is this is you on the shirt, but I feel like that really behind closed doors. I think he's come on. It's Boston, rob. No, honestly at say, spilling error, and it skater up. Okay. The only thing that makes me feel like maybe it is me is that I know you don't care for Boston. Ron and you're not you're not animosity with my friend. Brought marianna. Oh, sure. Always. I I didn't know you guys were friends. So because I watched survivor all stars and didn't appear as though he cared about you or anyone. But you know, what does? But that's I mean, I that's that's a really long time ago in that. I feel like that. I I'm not best friends with with rob. But in the in the many years that have come since then that I feel like that. I don't think of like, I blew me. I used to says about that a lot. I always enjoy my interactions when I'm when I see him. I get to go out to Reno from time to time and hang out with in there. So I always have fun with with rob Marianna. And so I don't mind him. I don't know what your beef is with him. That is I mean. You know, it's. He's not he's not a I don't think he's a nice guy when he plays survivor and people can say the same about me. But neither do I know. I said people can say the same about me. But I just feel that he's he's so agree GIS like the season that he won his eighteenth attempt at planes driver. You love lex too much to forgive forgive. Rob. That's what it is. Right. Yeah. Maybe too much. Yes, there's lex. There's a problem there. But even his last season that guy grant the NFL player seem like a pre legit, dude. Like like was every season, we care grant Mattos for big sitting there, and this guy just seems like okay? Like, a cool dude in Rob's like he he uses confessional to just to just make this guy selling the biggest loser ever. And it's just like why why does this theory? You know, it's just like like this guy this guy, you do the same thing. Not to. Icon. I if you were here with grant Mattos. Yeah. I mean, I just feel there's there's more of a playfulness to what I do versus. I think there's more of a maliciousness to to to his game play and gang. Good on him. I told he's probably a better player than me because I don't feel that like if I don't like you. Yes, I'm equally as malicious. But if I don't have a problem with you on not so so maybe that's the difference between him, and I and maybe he's better. Maybe I'm jealous that he's better. Look, that's what makes it an interesting game. Is that you have these human connections that you end up making out there, and we would kill somebody. If they were on the show when we're like, well, I knew this person was going to win, but they were my friend, and I couldn't back stab them. So that's why I lost. We would we would bury that person on podcast. So that be hypocritical. Jonny fairplay, I'm very hypocritical. Yeah. Well, let's look look I was you know, I didn't love rob for for a long time. But I mean, this is a long time. I think maybe it was twenty twelve when he came on the podcast. And I felt like, you know, one wants that happen bygones are bygones, and I always have fun whenever I see him. But I don't even know how we got into talking about the other shirt shirt. I mean, you should at least have some clarity there. Don't be offensive -fensive ten with these shirts. Okay. Well, I. It's one cert- that there there's that's open to interpretation purposely. I mean, I could I could I could have, you know, multiple shirts that look exactly the same and the description say that this one is what rob cicirino and doesn't and it'd be the same shirt. Yes. Why don't you have one? That says Richard and Boston, rob, and Johnny and Russell. And frankly, I don't know if it doesn't say Russell swan. It is wrote that that part. I thought every are we need to talk about survivor. What are you talking about survivor? That's what we brought in an expert podcast or Jonny fairplay in to talk about survivor. I know a lot of people enjoyed at my podcast with Spencer. But a lot of people felt like that the podcast with Spencer was not for them because they were ready for some survivor talk. And so I knew we had Johnny fairplay on deck. So we were able to really take deep dive into everything that's Spencer wanted to talk about yesterday with Spencer Bledsoe. If you're interested in hearing more about his personal journey and his feelings on things like mental health again. This is not a podcast for everybody. Go ahead and check out that interview a really really open raw interview with Spencer Bledsoe. But today, we are going to be more true to form here talking with Jonny fairplay. And with the first guest we ever had on this podcast. That's that's a throwback. Cool. I'm happy to be here. I'm very invested in the season not loving it yet. I I'm a little work. Worried that we're treading into survivor triple h waters. Hopefully this switch next week. We'll we'll we'll call them the storm there. So but I will peak behind the curtain. I had dinner with Gavin the night before the premiere in Johnson city. Tennessee, myself, Gavin, his wife and Tanny Vance and her husband and great kid when he sat down he is like, I'm not telling you know, spoilers. So if you if you're looking for looking that direction, buddy, look the other way, and I was just like if you give me spoilers, I'm leaving this table. So p people think that I that I want to know spoilers. But once again, my podcast, if I go on survivor, and if w and I know what's going to happen. And I just say it, I think it's a pretty boring podcast if I'm an idiot. I think people like it more does does. The podcast. I'm trying to give you the Johnny play. Is is hopefully, right, but probably an idiot podcast, right? There's no fun in hearing somebody profess the spoilers, and I know that happens with a lot of other shows in the I don't get it. I don't care. Why you why why you want to listen to anybody? Who is like like, all right? Let me tell you, exactly. What's going to happen? You don't have to watch the show. Yeah. I I don't get. I mean, like, you know, did reality Steve. He's a really nice guy on joy the podcast. But you know, he's just like and bad slurs. It's got to be bad because this happens, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no stop. I don't even know don't watch it. I'm just like, I don't think I would know this, right? Okay. Talk to me about this season. You said it's going to go into h h territory, and in your mind that's the worst season survivor thirty five it's up there. It's bad. It's bad. David versus Goliath, a ghost island wasn't much better. They were just they were kind of like I. I find myself enjoying the show when the characters are more relatable. I thought David versus Goliath did an incredible job. When you watch the show. You're just like oh my God. That reminds me of my best friend that reminds me of my boss that reminds me of those girl used to date that reminds me of this kid, I went to high school with that. You know, like when there's when there's this connection between the viewer and the audience, this is just like, you know, that that you can just relate ability factor, you know, versus ghost island. There were so many MAC, I mean that that could have been easily the most beautiful cast in history survivor, and then you know, like have I dated beautiful women. Sure. But like, you know, but I didn't sit there going, you know, it was time ago, right? Thank you. So it's another relate ability wasn't there? I mean, I met those guys in Florida and Hartson reality. And I'm just like, wow. I'm like, you're all giants. You're you're also in the greatest physical specimens I've ever seen in my life. And and mostly guys were not super friendly. Who are we talking about? He's talking about. I'm talking about a ghost. I won so fast forward to this. He's no one's really like like like, well, I'm sorry. Fast forwards David frisk lineup. There were so many characters Nick and Davey and even Christian. I was a Christian fan. But I got that character. And I'm not like, you know this season. There's been so much attention to the returnees dominating the airtime and a lot of which I'm not a huge fan. Don't don't extremely dislike. But it's not a huge fan of. And then with the one tribe losing every time, you know, the the monitored tribe is also dominating dumping the airtime that away as well. Okay. Do you not like seeing the returnees back out there because you feel like you should have been one of the people? They brought back out here that they have people that were from season or may today thirty eight in David and with Kelly wall, why not bring back Johnny fairplay for this idea of people that got right up to the edge of extinction. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't it could secretly be. I don't think that's the reason. I I've never really liked any of these seasons where they bring back a couple or four people. I don't like. Throughout the history of the show. Oh, it's those have never been really great seasons. What about fans versus favorites? That's one of your least favorites. Right. Both of them over to enjoy. I'm watching I do. A. Do do a thing called the castaway watch long on the patriot side of things for for survivor, and if w myself and Matt Bischoff, and we're actually we did we watched every episode approach, and we had guests like savage and Sandra, and I didn't have to pay Sandra. We'll get to that later. But a Burton and Darren it was a fun reward. But we're watching Keira Mohan nail. And I'm watching it for the first time. So I think I'd made it like three or three or four episodes in tapped out. So so it's it's new to me you gave up on it. Oh, yes. You gave up it in the first time. But you're you're making it through this rewatch. Okay. Absolutely. I mean, well, it's my it's my co you're in for a treat. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. With all due respect to two met that I think that the post merger that season is a lot better than the pre March. Okay. Well, I having a problem with like the Reynolds, and the I don't, you know, once again, I'm not a huge fan of those Makhtur characters. Well, let's bring it to survivor thirty eight and Johnny. I was going through all of this this morning looking over my notes, you know, the thing that I thought was we've got this twist now where we have the edge of extinction. And in my mind, I thought that this is actually very similar to what you dealt with in survivor Pearl islands. Oh with the outcasts. Do you think that this is a similar idea? I think it's almost I think it correlates more to the parole in the pro outcast twist than it does. What was that elimination island redemption island Dempsey Nazari eliminate all stars is what I was confusing it with the Burton rhinos number one show claim to fame, but eliminate all stars. Yes. Yes. Are you real quick? Are you watching tation island? No, I watched it the first time around and remember the kayak from. Tony parents hotel channel. Sorry apologize. Love crooked. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. We'll temptation island. I watched one episode Tuesday night because I was doing a podcast with Wade Keller downs. Oh, yeah. Right. So so so I the TV stayed on. I was watching and Roger lodge is the host. I think he's missing teeth. Boy is he Canadian. I don't I don't know. But like his S's. There are a lot of talk about that on big brother Canada right now. About Roger lodge? Sorry. I don't mean to I don't mean to divert you go ahead. Yeah. Well, we'll Roger lodge. He I think he's missed like he used to be a no as the host of blind date, and I feel like he was there for a limited as well. Maybe not. But anyway, he his SS or very tough to digest viewer. Because I there appears to be extra space. That was never there before you've Todd casting temptation island. No, if I had known it was this good. I would've I'm only on episode. And I think there's only two episodes left. But now, I am not I think Matt Bischoff told me like slivered giving brother I almost ruined the our podcast marriage. Okay. All right. So all right back back to temptation island. Let's talk about extinction islands here. And so do you just like with the outcasts more the outcasts had no clue that they the possibility of reenter. The game is the similarity that I see and according to Burton Roberts who once again, I had on the castaway watch long. Kind of digest what we didn't see with with the with the outcast tribe. They were given a small ration of rice each day. And he said that that was it, you know, and they would not give them a Hawaiian sling to go fishing. He's he lost more weight. As an outcast. Then he did knowing the game. That's always been a point of contention of how well the outcasts were treated while they were outside of the game of where they lived where they slept. That's really hasn't been talked about in about ten years. Fifteen years. I think they should have shown it. I think like I just a little I mean, I guess the drama here. Here's here's a I would do it. Production wise, we have the reveal you know, they come around the corner. It's like, oh my God. And then you do like a flashback thing to show where they have been. Yeah. So in your mind that you feel like this must be better. Because where if you're if you're a complaint is that we didn't get to see what the outcasts were doing in my mind. I think that they were just like, you know, I understand that they had a meager rations. But I I think that they were staying at the Ponderosa, right? They were staying at the Ponderosa they had their own lodging. And they. As I said, they were given just a small daily supply of rice. And basically they were they were told there would be a challenge in which you could potentially reenter. The game Burton was under the impression that it'd be a water base challenged. So he was like, okay who here has difficulty swimming, and like pretty much everyone raise, I think the exception but Cole and and and Michelle everyone raise in. So Burton said he was giving swimming lessons like all day every day like they were having difficulty in four feet of water. And he was he said it was the worst worst ten days on his li-. Like is just like it was worth. It was like being a camp counselor for the very mentally frustrating. People. Yeah. I can see. Yes. All right. So that do you feel like the den is this an improvement on the outcast twist the edge of extinction where we're gonna bring people back into the game. We're seeing them. We're seeing what's going on. They're living out there on a beach. This is better. Right. Thus far. I thus far does far if so I don't know if I'm just feeling it. Or if I'm dreaming it or or if this I don't remember redemption. I okay, you're the expert. That's why I'm here. I have questions. Okay. So on redemption island is someone come back at like at the merge, and then someone come back day thirty seven. Yes. On both counts. Okay. S twice two different times. Somebody came back into the game. Okay. So I did not dream that that that. Okay. So so I'm thinking that's kind of I feel like that's saying the precedent for what we may see here on edge of extinction. And if that's the case I feel like I don't like the second half. I you come back date thirty seven into the game. You you don't win the game. I just don't like I like the idea of they don't know. They don't they're they're leaving. Or they don't know the game is over. They choose the edge of extinction. They're they're they have some kind of challenge and more than likely joy amazing comes back, and that's extinction. Just like we had with Ozzy. And and I'm cool with that at the merge. I'm not cool with that on day thirty seven. Yeah. I agree with you. I've said for years that I'm okay with even like the idea of redemption island when people come back at the merge, and I think that maybe the outcast. Twist was perfect where two people came back at the merge in your season. It was like made it a little bit different where it's like. Okay. Well, now, we can't get rid of both of these people. And I think that they weren't able to be voted off at that first tribal council when they wreck also that that's correct. So that's fine. With me if you wanted to every season, that's that's funny. We were explained that and Drake drivers like, okay? Whoever comes back. They come with open arms and then savage explained to the Borgen's. I don't care who it is. We're voting them out. We're not making them feel welcome. And then I believe in one that explains to seven. They can't be voted out the person, and savage is still like you have it. We're still going to make them feel like crap. And let them know that they're not a part of this tribe. Possibly a strategic blunder on the part of the Andrew savage. Can you tell me that when Andrew came back and went through everything with second chances, and we talked to him, you know, he he talked about with me in a lot of his interviews. It was the most controversial thing the show had ever done in the past that they had these outcasts come back into the game. And it was so polarizing and people hated it. And they've never done it since because it's people hated this idea so much, but I don't remember that in the in the real time of it. And again, I was. Had a lot of stuff going on my on my own plate at that period in time. But was that the case was the fan outrage when the outcasts came back? No, it's revisionist history at the time. It's true. I mean, I talked about on my podcast this week with Tommy smokes from barstool sports. All right. So at the time it happened. You see the outcasts come around the corner. You see, you know, like Rupert's, furious, and savage is furious. And then, you know, we find out what what the criteria is. There's going to be a challenge, and they can win their way back in and ripper goes, we're gonna beat them. And I'm like, no, we're not they're gonna to Burton personally is gonna kill us. You're not. And also you see like when they round that corner. I'm smiling because I'm looking at it as as you know, like as a fan, I'm just like, wow. This is going to be really good TV like how awesome is this. Like someone came back in the game. Like now. Cool. This is awesome. So no when it happened. I would say the majority of the people watching. I mean like almost one hundred percent was like, wow, this is cool. I'm sure you had a small minority of the of the the the sticklers that that were like, I don't I don't know if I like this. But just I mean, like, we're honestly talking possibly less than five percent of the of these survivor fandom, and then tell ward fest fast forward that snowballed into possibly twenty percent. And then that twenty percent is now taken as oh, yeah. People hated it it it's like, I don't think they did. Okay. So you guys were playing in the in the Pearl islands this pirate theme. And then ultimately, then they blindsided you with this twist. But the name of the season is the edge of extinction has not really been explained to the players. Let me play voicemail for you. This is from Victoria from Baltimore, Jonny fairplay. Hey, guys from both more side note kind kinda mad that I'm not going to be the first degree on provider. Anyway, I. What are your thoughts about the players thinking about the female? We haven't really seen them talk about it at all or eight about it. Compare having conversation that anybody is actually really thinking. Well, what the edge extension or are. They kind of just go run your thoughts. I okay. Jonny fairplay? Is there any chance that people have figured out that this theme could have some sort of a redemption island outcasts type twist? We haven't seen them discuss it. So they're means absolutely nothing. This seems like a really smart cast like that damn heart. I do like I watched all the entertainment tonight, Canada interviews, and you know, there was this one of the. Yeah. This is one of those where in previous seasons. Like, you know, you had the Koran brutal cast assessment I had the ran. He can't take her cast. I don't know once that was no mosh to you and Koreans amazing work throughout the years. And thank you. But. Typically, we we've had these these pre pre game interviews and your contestants will be like my favorite Kaga on or fans versus favorites. To like earn fans was favorites will like whatever the. Whoever the Makhtur has been cast would ever two or three seasons that production told or casting told them to watch was their answer every single time, you know, and if you were a person of of ethnic background, you know, you were told to watch a Michaela season or Jeremy season is really I mean, I don't you know, I think a black girl could could play like Kim Spradlin. And and she could do that. No problem. I think she could also play like the iceman if she really wanted to I don't I know that they want to to you know, you don't have labels on people. Well, I I hate that. They that that they're looking to do this part two of those carry. I mean, I think it was obvious Chris they're just like we want another Cochran here's Christian. Yeah. I gotta be honest. I'm a little confused of what we're talking about right now. Okay. Well, so watching the pre game interviews these people were named they're just like my my favorite season was Africa. My favorite season was their fans Hokkien chance. These guys known the so you would think with with with that amount of knowledge going out there that someone has to be like, they gotta be calling edge of extinction for reason. Even though they have to call it something just to not leave Fiji. Yeah. But even the name edge of extinction, though. I don't think necessarily apply. What what it is right now. Oh edge of extinction. Of course. Yes. I agree. But I mean, but so is going to be like, why are they why are they calling it this? Yeah. Even though even though the signs don't lead. You the treasure map in the bottle doesn't lead you to the answer. Like, let's break it down. It. Does it lead you there whatsoever? But you have to be thinking why is it called? I mean because the Goliath there reminded about every eighteen minutes, you're a date. How does that impact your regular like doesn't it didn't Elvin? It's when Jeff brought out the players that the returning players. He was like, you know, this game is hard and it gets harder every season to win. And then, you know, there are great players who have in one and their players that got right up to the edge. And let's bring in some returning. So I really think that most of the players are they're really thinking about it. This probably think it's the returning players are the edge of the. Yeah, they got to the edge. And they didn't alternately win the game. Can they do it on this time? I can't speak for anyone or or revealing thing because you know, it's not it's not fair to them. But. Some players would guess that. They were cast because of the players that they said they loved. Yeah. Okay. I I could see that. We don't have the exit interviews this season. So we can't ask people. How much were people talking about what the theme might have been? They'll they'll do anything possible. Rob not not to let me do. Sex interviews. Even though even prohibit you there. There's so against Johnny and his unauthorized podcast having any kind of credibility whatsoever. That the even pulled exit interviews for immu to be is see it's it's. They went they got rid of exit interviews this season just to spite you, well, just because I'm unauthorized. So you. We can we can we can we explain the unauthorised Asian because yes, I'm getting I'm getting message is of people that that there's a there's probably what ten survivor podcasts out there where there might be more. But there's tends to podcast. Two thousand I believe. Okay. Sure. So but people are just like, hey, do you listen to all the fixings? And I was just like, no. Because I heard that they stopped talking about survivor just Carinthia aiding show, which is cool. That sounds great. But if I'm going to listen to survivor podcast, that's supposedly not the one I should listen to. But I heard she's thrown out the last couple of days just like unauthorized off, the you make listen, I am the only unauthorized like CBS contacted me and said, hey, we want everyone to know that you are in no way of -ffiliated with survivor and CBS to any extent in his none. It's not a bad thing. It's you know, my my my podcast is called survivor innocent w because I use bad words. They don't want someone to randomly. Listen to the podcast is say the F word eighteen times. And then go, hey, survivors, putting out a podcast says the F word eighteen times. Saint just won't multiple deniability are just like, hey, call your show the unauthorized survivor podcast. So no one confuses the back that you're with us. And it's not a bad thing because they're like you can call it. Unofficial. You can call it. And I'm like, okay. So, you know, but but but Korean throw in shade. This is like, oh, you're. So talk to talk about let's talk about me. And you and let's leave leave Karinna out of this. I don't know what what beef. You guys have what now is not heat. But but but but she she was like, how do you know, you're the number one. I'm the only unauthorized like they don't have a problem with any other podcast. But mine, okay. So you say you guys are fighting over the who's more unauthorized. No, I'd like what she she. I think she she thinks that I'm saying that I have more numbered. Listen, the only one in the category of who cares. Who cares? Mysteriously? Here's what here's where the I got annoyed with us. If if I may speak, frankly, so that where you come in and talk about how hey I'm on authorized, I get to say whatever I want. I feel like that you imply that this this podcast is somehow is authorized where that this podcast is produced or put out by the same people who make survivor, which I feel like a tax my journalistic credibility where nobody asked me to make this podcast. Nobody authorized this podcast or sign off on it where it's like, hey, we'll tell you what's really going on. Because that there's other podcasts that are authorized, and I'm the only unauthorized podcast, which is definitely not true. And I enjoy a great relationship with the network, and I've been very respectful of them. But. They do not authorize anything that. I do like I won't send this podcast over to some publicists who will clear it. No. But they're not worried about you. I mean, like, you're you're you're they're worried about me. It is not an. Well, we'll on in one way or another. So. So then I I I didn't like that. And then I also was annoyed when you were dealing with your battles with the legal department. And I was listening to the podcast. I do I do listen to you you in. And any number of the mats that you talked to and I listened and you were like, hey, why don't they care where rob is doing? Why don't they rob? And I was like, well, this is like now, you know, using a Mike get leave me out of it. Yeah. If you're getting pulled over by the police, and you're like, hey, my friend is ways drunker than I am play over four. I was like, oh, that's not a good friend. No. There's not no not at all. I apologize. So that's not a that. Was I think it was irresponsible on behalf of both me and Matt Kuhn at the time to to throw throw anyone else in into our spotlight. So and for that. So. I just know podgy necessarily. I just wanted to be up fraudulent you about why was annoyed with when in your in your battles with the network. Yeah. There is far as their the copyright stuff. And all their biggest issue with me was a they wanna plausible deniability that I was not a part of survivor any way. Right. As far as the bucket. That's you know, and variant just because the language and be they don't like when you use images from CBS dot com on your T shirts that you sell that. That is also something that they do not like, right? I don't know if you needed the legal degree to be able to put that one together. Well, I mean. All right. We're losing people listening people. No, I don't think anybody cares about survivor podcasters care about this which is probably like thirty percent of the audience, but other than that, Jonny fairplay. Let's let's come back and talk about some of the strategy from this week because we have a great strategist here with us. And I want to get your take on the decision this week to vote Chris out of the game. Because that we talked about it on the know it alls that I think it's a really fascinating decision where you have a couple of different ways to look at it. Where you have David Wright has been waiting to take out. Kelly went worth he has his shot brings in Chris. You're the fourth vote. Let's do this. Whatever you do. Don't tell war dog. Don't tell Lauren Chris goes Intel's war dog who then realizes out. It's Chris Chris is the guy who wants to take out Kelly. Okay. I let's look at it from the start with David, right? Move wrong. Move to target Kelly Wentworth. Before a swamp. Okay. Well, according to rumor and innuendo this whole David Wentworth feud started with her appearance on your podcast saying that she was not a fan allegedly allegedly. Okay. So well, I mean if. And let me just let me just put again before these rumors spin out of control. Let me just put a fine only on it that they gave it. She didn't say she was not a fan of David bright. She just didn't say she was a fan of David Ryan. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, all right. So say you're say come on who I hate David, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean say you're going to do a say, they call you to go back and do survivor, and they do the finals at the secret hotel, or whatever and you see other players there. If if you're someone like myself, or even you you would probably listen to podcast that those players have done to see where their head is like what what kind of players they like what kind of players. They don't let you know stuff like that. So if I'm David Wright, and I happen to see what worth at the finals casting. I'm going to seek out podcast that she's done, you know. And and if she's she does. Doesn't appear to be a fan of mine. I'm putting a target on her. So you like the move go after Kelly. Well, she she goes after she goes after players like like like David or even even stronger player like like like a like a war. I don't understand war dog here dogs supposedly knows the game. But like she would be something he would go. If you're if you had to assemble the entire roster and pick the closest person to Andrew savage of mass war dog is the closest to Andrew Sach. Okay. Wh why are we comparing people to Andrew savage using that that's how war shoot she was responsible for the Andrew, savage savage. Yes. Fan of him wasn't a fan. Okay. Well, his okay. So let's move on from. Let's move on from from David, right? I think we're on the same page that yet or he's probably it's a it's a good move for him to take out Kelly feels like that he can't ultimately work with her. So Chris goes and tells more dog and David rights is please whatever you do. Don't tell war dog. Don't tell don't tell them. Chris does it anyway. And he goes and tells war dog and exactly like with David David Wright, really should have been like, you know, how many times I'd had whatever you do don't tell more dog did it anyway. And that really karma comes back to bite him. Because war dog says, hey, we have to get rid of Chris. Now, here's something that I that. I think ended up happening where I went back. I watched the previous episode again, also 'cause I want to that conversation between Chris and with with ward, I really think that Chris should've voted out Kelly at the previous vote he should have gone along with that. And kept kept Keith in the game. So now, this is the second time that war dog gets approached by Chris about it. Should vote out Kelly win where I really think that the chickens did a lot to hurt Chris. Because the the two people who wanted to kill the chickens the most were war dog and Kelly Wentworth, and they were completely in lockstep about the chickens, and I think that that made them feel like that they were completely in lockstep about the game. Yeah. And I mean, you'd think so we have repeated multiple times the last person to have the Flint was Chris. So you think that you know, maybe they're like Krizan? Chris lost the Flint. I don't think that. I don't think he was that. I don't think it was. Okay. But I feel like today, you know, I want some of the dogs secret scenes. He's like talking about how him and Kelly that completely agree. They wanna eat the chickens they won. So I think that that brought those two closer together. And I think that he really looks at Kelly as as a tighter allied in Chris. So it was a really bad move on Chris's part to not only talk to dog about voting on Kelly when worth the first time. But then to bring it up a second time and for him to miss just how tight war dog and Kelly Wentworth had gotten. So I think that that's really the big mistake, and then to be completely blindsided by the fact that war dog return around in the boat out, Chris and go to Kelly Wentworth with that. I just reading body language for last week's episode. And this week's episode us. I saw and I felt anyone paying attention that chemistry between war dog. And went was air. I mean, I'm not saying they're going to fall in love and get married make babies, but they just. Filing, which wise that was so wrong. It also Kelly is in single also. Yeah. So and no one would you know procreate with war dog. So that's fine. Okay. All right. So if for war dog and try to be I know you have. Sort of a of a. Okay. We'll we'll we'll let let's just set up. Why why are you in a rivalry with war dog? I hate him. I hate him. Rob. I hate it. Like, why did he what does he do? What does he do bothering? You are. Sorry. I wa- he calls himself the war dog. I mean, there's nothing I hate more than people that give themselves a fake name. Writes, obviously, obviously, okay. And then, you know, to Reno to to watch his pre-game stuff, the arrogance and bravado is like, oh, God, I'm gonna I'm gonna hate. I mean, like he it was it was the parts that I hate most about the specialists Philip shepherd. I saw rearing just like, oh, no, no. I mean, 'cause I you know, I hated bands versus favorites too. I hated redemption island or redemption. It was which one was the first rob rob Bosa Rob's win every generation island. Yeah. Yeah. Hated that. I mean, so I just I saw him also as I said I'm prepping for the season. So I watched so much stuff in and you know, he came across it like every like eventually Jomon, and I became friendly. You know, he's not on the Christmas card list or anything. But but he became we eventually we became friendly with one another. But everything that I initially hated about. Joe mena. I see in the war dog. And and then he is Twitter arrogance is so through the roof. So it was like, okay. I was like I don't like him I've established. I don't like him. Let's see what this guy does. And so I make the war dogs sucks. X t shirt, and and and in honor of teary dogs, sucks eggs. Okay. Back in the seventies. Terry funk was feuding with dusty Rhodes. And he anterior fuck man shirt that said dusty sucks eggs, so he's like two. Dusty Rhodes, you suck eggs and said that was my Terry Hong so say so in honor Terry funk in I think we're dogs. I made a Warnock's shirts. It's orange and white available. Johnny pure play dot com. When you order shirt, you get a phone call from me, so but but I'm sitting there more, Doug sucks. Eggs shirt selling pretty good. Brent Lebel bought one. You'll be on the podcast next week Brett Lebel. So. So let's get about his feud with with doc. Okay. Well, he's calling Warnock's calling in all these legends. He's he's got the Twitter fingers all these legends on on on on Twitter. And he's just very disrespectful. So anyway, I watched the show and he does nothing. I mean, he he's all this was a bad move. He made it he made a bad move this week to target Chris. I mean, okay. So getting to that move. Yeah. I think I think I think Chris by Chris going to him and saying, hey, Christmas, showing loyalty Chris's also another guy that's equal in size, if not bigger, so when we come threat wise, he's a guy that better, you know. Bigger. But I think he's a better shield in Whitworth as. So I I just think like if someone's coming to you with moves going. Hey, here's what other people are saying here, you know. And we're dog out, you know, who said this. He goes, well, you know, these people approach me, so you're getting why is that someone you get rid of? I feel like that the getting rid of Wendy. I think is the better move for you. You know war dog and for Kelly. But I guess that they felt like that. He was the threat. He was the one talking about taking Kelly. I mean, I get it from Kelley somebody saying your name you got to go after them. But for war dog. He talked Chris down from the ledge in the previous vote. I don't know why he couldn't potentially do it again that move only benefits Wentworth. I think that's the only person I see that move benefiting. Yeah. I think that he's clear that Kelly one where is his number one. And he wants to stand by her side the whole game, John if you have a lot of you know, hot takes about these different players in this season. And you know, a lot of people do really love it. But you are not without your critics either. We got somebody who was critical of you. And some of the takes that you have about this season called in. Let me this is a voicemail. This is from one of our listeners, Dan. So I wanted to call and leave a message call John v play you serious. But this guy, I mean, I can't even believe that you would have this guy. Oh, you podcasts because he is a loser. He is the one who's opposed to the end of the day. He just jealous new survive with totally overshadowing Scott picking hater and a bloody hypocrite Johnny play here chicken, eat you alive. Doesn't matter. I won't listen to you at all that other people also unsubscribe from the Johnny fifthly podcasts. And rob I think that you should consider blocking Johnny v from ever coming back on our JP or I'm going to consider locking out this podcast for my life. Thank you. All right. Giants airplay. How do you onto that criticism? How how do you respond? I mean, I feel that the the honest is on you as well. This is really serious stuff. Look. That I have known Jonny fairplay for how many years now, what is this thirty years and. You know that he is you know, he's polarizing, but I have to we're having a great podcast today. And I think that more often than we have more hits the MRs. And so you may not agree with what he has to say. But you you know, you can't argue with his resume. Yeah. From being on the podcasts. Hey, it's a party. So that's all waiting for it. So as far as unsubscribe ING, I would if you don't like the free weekly podcast available on I tunes Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you podcast survivor innocent w I say, go take it a step further and go to patriotic dot com slash survival in except w and give that a try because you get the video version of the weekly podcast, it is you watch a long. Yeah. The that's what Dan should do. A I think I think that's probably the issue. So I would go that direction give it a shot just try per month. Okay. Let's talk about the we have the tribes. Swap coming up fair-play. Do you feel like it's time for a tribe? Swap you pumped up for tribe swamp. Yeah. I mean, I if I'm a player. If I'm a newbie, and I have the opportunity to get rid of returning player. I feel like the better move to do that is prior to try swap. And I think if you know the game and studied the game that you know, the tribe. Swap is coming up either day nine or day twelve and it looks like it's named nine. And I really think they I think is a newbie. The correct move was to eliminate one of those returnees going into that into that. Swap. Right. So let me just bring this these last two things that we're talking about back together. So then David pump the brakes on the move to get rid of Kelly Wentworth, Wayne in war dawn came to Devon since it. Hey, let's vote out. Chris do you feel like that that David should have still gone through with it because of him in Rick still vote for Kelly got Chris, and you've got big, Wendy, then Kelly one, we're still goes home. So do you feel like that was was it a mistake to then pull out of that move? I think it was. So I mean because I think you have to know once again swap is more than likely going to happen. It's day nine two eight twelve. Once again, repeating history sometimes things happen sooner rather than later to protect a player. And it seems I know like, you know, you can you can talk to production, and they'll tell you they go. Here's the January of events. It doesn't change. No matter what. And and that's probably the case. You know, who am I I don't know. But I could be lately it tends to work out for, you know, a lot of times for pursuit of your more dynamic personalities. So you're saying that the swap is coming in time to save Kelly Wentworth potential think so I think I think so I I think I think at the swap doesn't happen mono loses again. And I think next to go should be Kelly. Okay. Let's let's just say it's either going to be killing Wentworth or windy two of your bigger analogy is on the season thus far if I'm production. I wanted to save them. Both. Yeah. I see I reject that. Because the way that you can tell is that they're going to three tribes. You know, there's a a third buff that they have to have ready. There's a third beach. They have to have ready and so are going to be at fifteen so you have three tribes of five. So I'm not saying that it's never happened that way in survivor history. But in this, particular, instance, you know, it makes all the sense in the world. The advantage menu said that you're going to have it only for three tribal councils we're going to go to three tribes of five here. So I think that this one seems like that this was definitely something that they had in the schedule from the jump, and then that's how it's going to ultimately plant, but to go back to this idea of taking out Kris versus taking out Kelly. I think that we're Chris went wrong. I don't mean to harp on this about that Chris should have gone and taken out Kelly Wentworth at previous vote. And I think that David and Rick have gotten a little a very lucky with this. Win a plan is out there that you're going to take somebody out. It's almost as the same as if you actually did it because that that information comes back to you. Then you know, that's sort of your death born in the game. So if you put that thought out there like it better damn well, go through so for Chris he had this hanging out there this, and you know, it's probably hard for him than to not have this thing hanging out there. But he needed to keep it more covered up or just go through with it. I just you know, we we hear Chris tell us that you know. Hey, I'm not the kind of person in my real life to to keep secrets like, I don't think survivors the game for you. Then dude. When you like. Personal connections. Yeah. I look at Chris. And I see. Titan games or the mirror the million dollar mile or like, those seem more in Chris and any probably Brian great. What no no, no either the little broad show or the rock show. But I would I would not be sucked to hear that. He applied for the LeBron show. And they just like a Tyler from big brother where he did that, you know. TKO? So that's where they found him. He could be another TKO or. So you think that Chris applied for TKO and they pulled him out of TKO put them on survivor. I think he applied for LeBron's miracle mile show. Yeah. Or millionaire mile whatever. Yeah. But I do think that there is this history on survivor where so you know, like, I I like to talk about it. It's like a mob hit where you know. Once once it sort of like, okay? All right. You said at the hotel. All right. You got to you can't call it off. It's almost it's too low. You got it. Because ultimately, it's gonna get found out about an ultimately that for David and four Rick that they were lucky that that it was Chris that got to pay the price for this plan being out there. The good thing is it looks like all cope ability fill on Chris's head and no one else's. Yeah. From from current appearance. So even though Wentworth seemed unimpressed with David at the tribal. Yeah. Yeah. That was very funny moment where it was like, wait. What what did you mean? But nothing. That like apt after the bonus. Like, you know, you see Dave it's kind of like a c-. Everything's cool. Like, I do, and you know, and she kind of gave him to look like I don't care like we're still not in any way. Like, I don't if you call it, rob sees podcast. But I don't like you. And it's fun. Say that. So this is where things are going to get really interesting now. So Chris is not out of the game. He's now going to the edge of extinction, and he's there and now if somebody's gonna come back into the game. And so if David Wright stays in the game, the whole time, let's say Kelly win worth does go out of the game and goes to the extinction or let's wore dog or somebody some somebody who was Kelly Allah Lauren and they go out of the game. And they're the person who comes back into the game. They're going to get that story of. Hey, I didn't come up with the idea. Devote Kelly Wentworth, David Wright told me the vote Kelly worth any told me that the saving thing. That's true. Yeah. I mean, I just want this edge of extinction to die at the merge, though. Like, I hate the back of it just continuing on and on date thirties. I mean, it just I. You as a player could you reward someone coming back into the game date thirty seven million dollars? I think that that is an impossible question to answer because you have to look at who who they're sitting there at the end with. I mean, I think there's going to be people that you would say never, and there's going to be I mean, if Burton had gotten to the end of Pearl islands wouldn't people have voted for him. He would have gotten to. I think I beat Burton in a final battle jury. That was my client. I I was thinking a straight from my plan of upholding my end of the deal with Burton. So we got involved. He's right. Yeah. But I think he would have got an I think just just stressing to the jury vote she got one. So, but I think just just just stressing to the jury outwit outlasts outplay, you don't outlast by taking a twelve day vacation. Yeah. Unless it will it's going to happen. One day somebody's going to win one of these shows that it's been it's been, but speaking of Lille is there anything okay with you in Lil a couple of weeks ago, a hope brouhaha on Facebook and Lil never post anything. And then that she you and she were like cats and dogs. She just trolled me. I mean, I don't know more once. Yeah, she's friends with one survived. Thank you. One survivor. On on the planet and not Sandra. And so two. Yeah. And so, you know, so Detroit my Facebook feed and be like, hey and use expletives, and it's just like, okay. Great. I so let me just if I were somebody getting this story wrong that you that you would posted that you were friends with Sandra on Facebook for nine years. I believe it was just like the it's been nine years. I on the podcast. Yes. Sure. And said, hey, I gave you a million dollars. And you gave me nine years of friendship on Facebook something to that extent. And then repaired rail comes in. Oh my God. It's Lil Morris's music. It's big little Morris. She comes in. And ultimately, she says I thought I was the one that gave Sandra the million dollars. Not you. Who went off on Lil? Yeah. I did unprofessional on cool. And then and then and then you felt bad then you felt bad about it. I mean. Yeah, I'm just. I'm sorry. Go away. I apologize. Go away. I mean, I don't need to be in my life versus why did you have to see those things? You told me you were the new man. Now was the old Johnny fairplay. So there. Yeah. Different. Maybe you change. I I think I think it's best that we live in two separate universes. I think I think it's okay. It's very, okay. Do I love a good little Russian? I unfortunately can only do said you let me know when you were different. Okay. All right. All right. So I I digress Petrin. Yeah. I felt like she was in the room it, really. Okay. So for for David that I he's kind of screwed by this edge of extinction where he had the perfect getaway. Maybe a. Not not necessarily true. Because Chris doesn't strike me. As the smartest player. He might not throw shade anywhere else. He might might just go on. It's like Edgar Allan Poe story of like it was the perfect crime. He thought he got away with it. But then Chris can still spill the beans about this. What have spilled? East of can you explain that? I don't get. We're done with that. I'm not I'm not asking. Spilled the teas a phrase that was coined on. Rob has a podcast. And I it means it means like when people are going to knock over a big Cup of secrets and we've been saying that for a couple of for a couple of years. We started. Rich. What was the original drop of that phrase is what I think I'm pretty sure it was Josh wiggle that first Senate, and they just really caught on. Okay. And then we don't like to we like to use that. Yes. Yes. Would you like to use the phrase spill, the t shirt would you like to do that? Ooh, I do like I think we've found I think we've found our hashtag. Jonny fairplay is ready to spill the t shirt. You. Yeah. Film teaser everywhere. We would you ever make a collect call to one of the listeners. I why would I have to? I don't know. I would would you just a mess with him? If you call. I would I would dial middle. One eight hundred call ATT dial down the middle. That's how I would do it. Okay. Let me ask you about this advantage that Ron Clark has in. I try I tried to avoid the Twitter like you kind of been baited my Twitter space last night. Which is thank you. I I got I got a lot of. Yeah. Well, I mean, you just said, hey, giants can be on here giving questions with. I didn't. Your Twitter space. Well, no, I mean, I just had all these people like, you know, asking questions like you, and I tried to respond. I'm just like, ooh, that's not like, you know, save it like it's not it wasn't a question that I should it was a question for the show. And so I'm trying to actually stay off of just like I don't want to ruin the surprise. But this is one that I happened to see. And I was just like, ooh. Very like. So I'm glad I saw it because I wanted to process it in my head before answered. So this one I'm glad I did. I apologize for any others that I probably should have taken time to process so because but a lot of them see like more reactionary, and I wanted to save my reaction for just hearing them on spot. Okay. So all right. So go ahead. Because. Oh, I just wanted to ask you about this this advantage menu. That that Ron Clark has because he had the opportunity could could've used it to steal the reward on this week where his tribe is one these three immunities, but he ultimately didn't do that. And so in the secret scenes from this week. So I feel you don't care for the secret scenes, right? I don't I don't I don't think about him. It'd be like, yeah. I probably would if I saw like in the history of secret scenes, most of them are just worthless. So they'll be one year and there there's something to it. But I typically don't think about it because I've just been let down so many times if I had known the secret seen existed, I would have sought it out. So because I was going to ask you would you or so he had the first three tribals to us the secret menu. But but I was like, okay. Is that the first three over? Overall. Or is it the first retrials that comma would go to? No, I I three I three votes and is the advantage secret menu. Like the secret menu at in and out burger sure of it. Well, there's the bible verses on the underneath of the Cup. There's animal animal style, or double double double animal style. There's protein style with with the lettuce instead of the I'm sorry. Phil Ron Ron tells us in a secret seen this week. It's very interesting stuff what he is planning to do with the now expired advantage menu. And I wanted to get your take on this as a legendary survivor trickster. Sure, maybe I should use this to help someone else, but it's a game. And I want to keep power as much as I can. And so the way I think this would be most beneficial to be now is if I use it as a trick. Because if I cut the part that says you can't use neverthe- third travel council and someone finds this. They're going to think they have all this power. But they really don't. And that can mean to my vantage because I'll be the one that knows what they don't know. Okay. What do you think about tricky? Ron Clark is going to basically rip the expiration date off the of of this vantage menu and have to give credit to one of our listeners and curriculum from. I believe it was Jason weather hall to called in with this with this exact idea of like, hey, do you think that Ron Clark could just rip the bottom up? Like, I'm pretty sure you can't just do that. I'm pretty sure they won't let him just rip up the part of the clue that says when this expires. But that's exactly what Ron Clark is thinking. This. This reminds me of David strategy going into the game with the homes omit the ultimate advantage. Yes. We're David Wright is thinking about making up a fake advantage. Yes. Isn't this kind of calm? I mean like. I mean, like the premise behind David vantage, David writes, the ultimate advantage that you know, the fake when he was going to create was basically just blow up your game in front of you. And that is kinda with this is doing so you like this trick you feel like on could use this. Okay. But. I'm wondering now if nothing comes from this because why isn't this on the actual show versus a secret scene? But they showed him finding it on the show and it's expired. So it doesn't mean that it's going to happen in that episode. But maybe you know, will it happen in three episodes could happen after the merger. I just don't know when you plant it and somebody randomly finds it. I don't know how you can certainly control that chaos. I just I think is. I think he'd be do it spy Shak style. If you planted or like, like David Wright did with Jay, you kind of know where that what that person does each day like they're kind of daily route along the island and kind of planet like that that way like like like Angelina did with with Allison. And and like David that didn't work out. Great, right. At did for one of the two. Well, who did it worked out? Great for. We're doing great for David. Like, the whole J thing was was amazing television, though. You know, they Angelina it was it was amazing it. Yeah. It was amazing television. But ultimately, you know, it didn't it didn't really do anything in terms of the his his game. Well, this potentially could. I mean, I don't know. I we'll see I I like. Disruption and chaos chaos casts before she called me unprofessional is one of my favorite players. You're not a fan that's much next time. Next time don't be unprofessional. Do. I have a layer. Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the returnees at the tribe. Swap. Let me play another question for you is the question from Chris Arab Jonny fairplay. This is Christopher Pittsburgh. I know rankings are arbitrary. But in terms of exciting gameplay, I'm curious as to how you'd rank the following tribes. Spot possibilities won all four returnees on one tribe to any combo three returnees on one tribe three to returnees on each tribe, and one tribe of no return, he's or for a one one to split with two returnees on one tribe and one on each other to thanks. We don't need to get into a ranking of all of that. But how do you think it will play out on the tribe that has multiple returnees on it that if we got to scenario where say three of the four returnees ended up on one tribe? How do you think that would play out? No one. So there would be math. Rob. This is. Unfair. Renew ernie. Returnees are on a tribe in which they have the majority they are not voting out their own. I think that that's going to be really fascinating to watch every returnee has figured out with the exception of David because he's he's every other returnee is figure out that the people are after them the there's blood in the water, and they're they're coming for the kill shot. So whereas does integrated nice. I mean, like people asked me would you think of like a returning season of like four returnees not return as you know? How do you think you would do? And I'm just like, I don't think I'd typically like it. But I kinda see myself as a David like I've met him my Peng gala team, I need you more of a if. Thank you. Studied David, right? Okay. Thank you. Wait a second. You mean to tell me that you tell jokes on this podcast. Plains of strategic accuracy. And we're supposed to listen to those rob see I don't think. So we tried to do it all try to cover it all so you feel like you're David David Wright. Like, I feel like I am maybe I'm wrong. Maybe maybe it's how I want to perceive myself. But I so like seeing that is like, wow, I think I might do. Okay. But we're only three episodes in. We could we could get episode four's. Just like, you know, it all David crash and burns this is like, I guess I wouldn't do. Well at all. I don't know. So, but no, I think there's the target is on their back. I think everyone is not just them thinking that they're knowing because the target is there so any situation in which the returnees have the advantage there sticking together. They're getting rid of Newby. Okay. All right. We're going to talk a little bit more about the returning players here in just let me take a moment. And thank a sponsor, Jonny fairplay. If that's okay with you. You're you're good with this. 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So you were telling me before we got on this podcast that you had to go to court, and that you know, that I took a lot with Spencer yesterday about his personal journey, but you know, back in the old days if I heard you had to go to court. You were the defendant. Not so much anymore. Bob, see, I'm a real. Bill to to court. I do I go I go every month. I have about four hundred fifty properties that I manage different owners. Whether they be. Houses or apartments or lofts, or what have you and people don't pay rent a lot of people catch up around this time? So we had a lot of continuances today. I I was feeling nice and generous, and as result, we're going to let people slide into April get that tax money at show up, and then we'll be right back in court again tonight. Boom. In fact, you, and I even did a podcast when you were about to go be on judge Joe Brown. One hundred bullet judge Joe Brown courtroom. That was on that you were being were you being were you the defendant or the plaintiff and judge Joe Brown courtroom? Now, I had a friend of mine this guy Derrick who's passed away. Now, Derrick Derrick. Dear on me up. He was like, hey, I'm going to be on judge. Joe brown. Can you come on and sit in I was in and the two guys that were that were suing one enough witness. I I was brought in as a character witness. And so. Like, I you are a character. Yes. Yes. I just put me on the on the phone with with the producer. And I'm like do not speak for me. And so I talked with the producer. I was just like, hey, I'm pretty sure these guys are suing each other over a drug deal, gone bad. I know that there. I'm like, I have no idea. How you guys are portraying this. I'm not gonna pretend to know anything. So if you ask me any specifics, I'm going to say, no, I think I kind of get where you're going in that this is a sweeps week deal. You know, like, you know, this guy Jonny fairplay. So anyway, so judge Joe Brown goes it goes, you're you're this. You're this gentleman's character witness serious. You are on the TV show survivor. I go. Yes goes, and you lied about your grandmother dying now. Yes, sir. And he goes, well, how's your house? She doing now ago actually she passed away two weeks ago. He goes, oh, are you seriously go, no, sir? I'm lying. He goes. And this is who you bring care to witness begin. Courts that was it. It was fun. Worst character witness ever. Okay. Yeah. Fair play. Let me play you another voicemail elbow. How this season is going to progress? This is one from one of our listeners Kieran Arab and fairplay. It's cure from Florida. So the pass I believe eight seasons out of new base name or attorney has made to the end every single time. They're play. My question to you is expect or attorney to make it today. And again or not disobey the first mixed gas as in where return attorney doesn't make it to the end. Okay. We'll ever attorney be in the final three fair play. Worth the final fifteen still foreign the game. Sure extinction. If the edge of extinction ends and the person voted back in from edge of extinction goes to the final three and the answers. I think Joe, and I was voted out. And conservation at date. Yeah. I just don't. I mean, like you you've seen the I mean, they call him Joey amazing for a reason I'm not a huge fan. And I don't have to be it's okay, I'm more. I like a like a David player better than than Joe player. And if everyone felt the save as me this show would be like there's somebody for everybody. It's okay. So, but I but watching him compete in challenges. I've I think he's one of the greatest challenge players ever in the history of the game. No contest. And you think that that's what this jury will reward. Because I I really feel like that this this season is really I see all these new players talking about how it's not fair that these players are here again, this is not their time. Why does a winning? I just see him. Like if I see him winning his way back like if if the person that comes back from the edge of extinction is put into the final three I feel that Joe wins. Whatever that is to get back is in the final three, but does not win. No way. Let me ask you question. This is from one of our listeners Lindell from Australia, which is a wonderful lists. And our she wants to know why did Riemann Keith receive separate bottles. With identical maps are they hoping that people will steal each other's maps and race to the rice. Or is it easier for production to put x marks the spot on Joe's map reading that. Joe? Some Joe Shane. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I'm wondering if she had a map sitting there the whole time, see hers. You think that that's that's possible? I think I think her bottle was from day three or whenever she woke up the next morning, and she never saw it. I mean, because she's like scoured the whole I I'm just like, how do you not see Luke Skywalker last jet? I steps and using our the island. Ream. I'm pretty sure that your map has been there since you got there. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I think you missed it. I think. Sorry. Yikes. Yeah. Get along well at Jones either. So she got kicked out of the gym. Do you like reading? No. Know why why not why don't you agreem-? I I don't want. People miss it with my stuff. This you touch this stuff. She does not a fan fatal fairplay before the season started. You took Twitter and said that you would like to see survivor institute of ban of all players younger than twenty five years old. Do you feel like that you say that you did not say that? I don't think you. Let me I guess. I I remember you you were not in somebody else's conversations about that. If I look up Jad Jonny fairplay twenty-five years old. Sure, please. Maybe like disagree with people. I thought you said that no because you have been long you don't like millennials. You don't think the people should be on survivor? I I mean, I think there should be a vast or cross section that will then what we've seen the last few. I like like, I like, you know. I like to win would watch. There would be like a big, Tom or or Rudy. But I you can't just have one. I think there has to be, you know, a couple old people, and then some slightly old and then middle, and then, you know, just just some some of each. Yeah. I would try to scroll the back through your your Twitter feed. It'd be able to get through all of them auctions. And yeah, yes. Yes. If you're looking for some vinyl just put up some new Konya, west Jesus, spinal. Okay. Okay. Sure to check that out. Maybe was was that one. It was that you said that that nobody under the age of twenty five should be participating in any of your EBay vinyl auctions that could have been it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a I have a. Have an issue with heath? No, I feel you. Keats will actually be at my birthday next next. Winston depend upon when the straps is coming Wednesday Wednesday March thirteenth. It's the survivor innocent w Jonny fairplay, forty fifth birthday bash at the dirty bull brewing company in Durham, North Carolina journal missile wing five is only seventy five dollars. I will be joined by Keith from the season. Allison from David versus Goliath, Chiro Maya from John and Jane from survivor, Nicaragua insane night will be there. Oh, wow. Now, and you don't have beef with Zane night anymore. No means cool. So he he invited him to my last last Durham, North Carolina, live survivor, and w viewing deal and here arrived. I believe four hours early. He was so excited. He personally to me later that night in confidence. I I love the night who doesn't who does. He's he's is such a a happy. Great. You know, there's there's there's a purity at two two as compassion for for the game, and others that that very few survivors exhibit to the degree that he does. I think Donovan is cast same mold, and I got a chance to take a pickup Jonathan from the WalMart parking lot and Pineville Kentucky and bring up along to my survivor w Cincinnati premier viewing party. But yeah, Donald Jones. Don athans. Guardians were. Okay with you just picking him up and driving him across state lines. Yes, we will. We his mom dropped him off. And then afterwards myself attaining, and we we did the the group pick with with mom. She was she was sweetheart mama is the problem here. We we asked on it. Then about the snake bite on on his feet, and we're like Woody exactly happen. And you know Donaldson and bought the new house and he had stepped off his front porch. And he was like step down bad gaffe me or maybe stepped on it like like a electrical cord or something, you know, the plug end of it. But but then jumped onto the other putting in the got hit again and go inside my feet don't swollen up about three times regular size house. Like, I think this is bad and mom says we should go to the hospital, but mama, and I'm tired. It's forty five minutes. I just wanted to go to sleep. So she won't take me. But then we went, and I was an ICU for four days. Okay. He's cry love him. I like I have my top ten nicest survivors on the planet done at the top ten. I almo God. I just want to hug him. If I had an x four Jonathan. Yeah. Yes. So, but I I would I would give dot than fourteen thousand extra dollars. If I had it as well. I love him. I love saying, I'm I'm I'm glad you brought you brought that up because I have a question for you about that prize package that Donovan was the recipient of from SIA. We found out that Davey recently has wanted. This is an Email or voicemail from Casey Arab Nate, Johnny. This is case from Columbus. I think I know see his next move. She's going to start with stays in one doer rewatch every season. She's going to give some money. What are your thoughts? Johnny fairplay. Are you anticipating a going back through the seasons? Well, she do a rewatch and then award the award fourteen thousand dollars to one contestant from each season. Wow. I will recommend using the castaway watch long feature to help her energy Ernie available patriot dot com slash survivor. And w I don't think she's going to go. I wish she would you don't think so. Yeah. But I would like to see I have a sort of able Johnny played dot com. GI set. Oh, PG is that would make sense. Yeah. Yeah. See? Oh. There we go. See a GI. But yeah, I was sure available. Join dot com. That says I'm not gay, but fourteen k as fourteen in K, and I mean, I don't know what that means. Well, I thought I thought you had to be gay to get the poor team thousand no now see that's just dunked on you with that. She gave it today. I know. So no the rules have changed. So he's still. That we don't know for sure yet. Well, she like, I she was hanging out with Angelina prior to the finale so thought Angelenos a lock, but. Angelina. Have got hosed. Yeah. I thought I thought it was hers. But but because he did secretary by its. You know for rice where her tribe I thought that was enough. Yes, I recall so who is going to get the money from survivor Pearl islands. Is it going to be Rupert? Oh, who's getting? Silence. Yes. We asked you bunch or is the person who's going to be the recipient. Is it going to be rhino for saving pelican Pete from Austin? And from all those people that wanted to harm pelican Pete in saving him from Austin who wanted to cut his head off with a machete. Yeah. It's it's definitely it's pelican Pete. That's a done deal. You're right should rhino. Start the campaign for SIA to go back and watch survivor proline. Yes. He should that would be you know, who will not receive it bride Heidrick. You will not get it. He will not get the CEA fourteen thousand that is. Mark that right. On as we we go through all of the season would get. Yeah. We're we we can do that that that is definitely patriot material. Rob okay, fair. Now, you have a real up and down relationship with so many of the different alumni. And so. It's no surprise that. Another alumni has a message for you here today. Here's here's somebody one of your good, friends, Mikey b is calling. And he was Mikey b. Your old pal. I decided I know what we had. Don't we all? I to know from you play, but you you'll pay day in that the did forty of survival is going to be legend in and is going to be a fan phone, and I've started up a ransom barbecue for years to get ready for a couple of set. But I have clotted ways with my co host. Yeah. And I'm just wanting to know from you if you feel and by all you eaters, and if I can't be getting the Barassie thought fired back up in forty of they eat or that for he is coming back downtown Chinatown, if you know what I mean sample by calling me back, so we can three gin. I. Mikey wants to know. Are you still there? Pretty sure that's that qualifies as a Mike EP. For every. Barassie wants to know. Do you stand by your theories survivor forties coming legends season? It's happening and the fans are gonna vote in the legends. You Russell for years. I've been talking this up and it's around the corner. Nope. Okay. So you saying no people should not be standing by their computers ready to vote. No. They should not nothing. Okay. All right. What what went wrong? I don't know. Okay. All right. Okay. So I would I would not I would not be waiting for. Barassie should not fire up the Barassie barbecue and start a new survivor podcast called the survivors. Greenest? Yeah. Chances are great. But you like. That that idea that Barassie was thinking about rebranding to the survivor checklist. This is new podcast. I do not a fan of checklists. Are you pro checklists or anti checklist? I felt that checklist. And that that's act like you've been there. You know? You know, that's that's rookie rookie stuff. I I lost a little bit of respect for Aubrey with that. Yeah. Should survivors. Have maybe more of a pond Orosa lists of things that you need to do before you go to Ponderosa like a bucket list. In what way we'll like a, well, I gotta do this. You know? Got a skinny dip before it's all my Ponderosa list of things that I wish I did before I go to Ponderosa. No, I don't like that. I just I just don't like the check. I I don't I don't like it. I don't I mean, I get it. I did like the ROY motion from Aubrey for finding the unity idle. I'm cool with all that. I just don't know. It was like, well, I got the check I'm like do the checklist. So I still a little pet. Peace of mind. It's nothing needs like nothing. I mean, I I still think breeze cute and all that I still think she's a great player. So I just thought she was better than the checklist. That would mean something to you to go out there and find the idol that you were so close. Well, a finding that with you know, off on the check I just I just hate that. I just hate the phrasing. Just just a personal pet peeve. Nothing. Nothing more. You wouldn't if you were able to find the idol if you were back out there. You're like I was so close in season sixteen Micronesia to getting the individual immunity idol and then man through my head onto the boat. And now this all these years later, I am so close to having that individual immunity that I coveted. I didn't want it. Then I was gonna throw it in the ocean. I hate. That's exactly it's always gonna do. You have it. Does he one hundred percent would I was going to do with that idol? If I got it throw it in the ocean can't stand it. Who are some of the other new players that you're keeping an eye on this season. Was I met Gavin. I got I got a big time. Nick Wilson vibe from him meeting him in person. So yes, he is definitely jumped up to the forefront of my winter picks. I've spoken with with Rick the anchorman. He is from Blacksburg Virginia home of Virginia Tech. We're I went to school we chatted. He's he's a funny dude is he's he's got that. I see your local anchor. No now 'cause he he grew up in Blacksburg. He went to Virginia Tech, and then he moved to Georgia. So he is a is a Georgia CBS affiliate anchor. Okay. So, but but the likability that's the type of player that you know, as I was a little worried that. His comedy might not be like I was scared. He was going to be more annoying than likeable, and he fill on this side of the equator of likeable, and I'm very excited for that. I I I have him going for. He's actually my winner pick. Okay, brick Devon's winner pick for Jonny fairplay. You'll love Gavin. Any of the the first time women on the season that you are a fan of so far. Yeah. Victoria, victoria. She she's got the freckles. Like my my daughter piper. We're a big fan. We we like when she would ever airtime she gets sheets, she takes advantage of and it's tough. When you're when you're tribe is undefeated. But I sees a player for me personally that I look at and she we. We we occasionally DM and she is like on the cast assessment. I made fun of her her gerbil that she's paid for multiple surgeries for an in her her boyfriend, that's an actor who I feel. She's probably self supporting and she she told me she really appreciated. The kind words I said about her and both are gerbil and her boyfriend's few. So I thought that was spicy. I like vic-. You go back and look at the women that have been in my life over the years. She she's she she checked she checks off a lot of boxes on my checklist. They arrived. Okay. All right. Thank you Jonny fairplay, host of survivor NSF w what else about this season. Do you wanna talk about? Well, I want to talk about if you'd like to join me and a window and Bryce April tenth you can find me at the brass tap at the FitzGerald that's Wednesday, April tenth and once again to get sore vailable at survivor ticks, what city is that. Baltimore maryland. I'm sorry. Not say Baltimore. I'm sorry. April tented brass tap. I didn't get the city the brass FitzGerald in Baltimore, Maryland. I'll be joined by window and Bryce and tickets available at survivor calm, but April twenty four th all be at zanies Nashville be joined by Taj from SWAT. We'll be singing January you're going to be you're going to be a Zane nights house. No zanies nightclub zanies comedy club Zing, Zane nights club. No, not not even close. Rob see, but tickets for that April twenty four I'm very honored to be on that stage tickets for that event or at survivor after hours dot com and last week. So why are you guys? Sure kosh. You're blowing through all this. I wanna I want to try to absorb what you're saying. So Taj from from. S W Enzi, right? This is grant you winner is is playing Zane nights club. Yes. Yes. One hundred percent bar. She's going to be at zanies comedy club in Nashville with me watching survivor Wednesday, April twenty four tickets available survivor after our suck up. Okay. All right. So you're all over the place. Yes. Yeah. No, not that not not done one. Last one. Winston bay. First survivor innocent w going west coast invasion, first time, ever Busby's, west Santa Monica, California. Rob see I'm here right now to ask. Would you be my special guest Wednesday? I at Busby's well. Well, kind of have my own thing going on during these survivor episodes. What are you doing? Kind of I kind of like do do a podcast with Stephen fishbach. It talk about what happens on the episodes. Oh, yeah. You do it. Like you. Do it. Right after don't you. Yeah. Okay. Never mind. See see? We'll see. Okay. So I mean, I mean, don't you sometimes watch we don't watch that watch the west don't you watch the east coast feed? Yeah. All right. We'll see let me see if I can let me see what I can do. Let me see if I can work out the logistics. Yeah. You'll be done. Okay. So anyway does Wednesday. Yeah. I know I'm joined by j and j from millennials verse genetics and Nina so ship. It should be a fun time once again throw worlds apart one of one of the greatest seasons ever off. I remember we did a live show during her boot episode. I she has a special place in my heart, Johnny Johnny AAA actually this podcast came up when so I was I was minding my own business. And I went on Facebook one day, and I saw Johnny fair-play, and you make you are a master of social media that you a your regular Gary vein or Chuck on the social media with all of your campaigns and minded my own business. I'm on Facebook. And I see the so here you are in chiefs jersey talking about how hey, let's make a bet. Rob sister, Nino, we've got a bit podcast for podcast cheese patriots. And I've got the chiefs. And if I win what was it? So is this the chiefs one I had to do your podcast and is giving you the patriots Browder? Why I'm not a patriots fan? I the patriots. I understand that. But I had the chiefs jersey. Work. I had. Yeah. If anything I would think that you would be the patriots fan. I heard that you were a recent convert to the patriots. Oh. Do you do have some good prices on scenes, and and so like a podcast versus podcast pay the chiefs win I'm like and so the if the chiefs I the like, oh, okay. So that he wanted the chiefs win he you wanna be on this podcast. And then the patriots one then I had to go on your podcast and then. So so they. Oh, yeah. You own you. Now own my podcast. We were putting up. Yeah. Keys. I never said like, hey like it's on and then so then the patriots won the football game. And then you'll hey, you lost the or. I bet or I lost you. You want the pet you now nail survivor intercept w is are you going to rebrand Ditz? Or are you going to keep me off? It's now called the survivor the survivor checklist. And Barack Barack sees the third man in the booth. Oh well. Man this. Listen learn I'm not throwing about throwing out open challenges like this ever again. Rob. This is the worst news since since the season forty tobacco. All right. All right. Johnny fairplay. Did you have a hashtag for today? Yeah. Yeah. Spill the t shirts hashtag spilled a t shirts jumping in on the original phrase spill the tea that started on rob has a podcast Jonny fairplay is riding. The spill the T coat-tails for spill the t shirts. Yes. Are you are you? Okay. With with Randy coming coming onto my podcast and doing a gas assessment. Yes. Yes. I am. Okay. I think people think that there's animosity between the two of us, and I kind of wanted to clear the we didn't wasn't trying to rip off Koreans like, you know, I I feel that in preparation for season. You you should you know, should do your do your your homework. And you know, I think it's more fun to bring in outside. Because I don't do the weekly guest thing. It was just me. And Matt talking about the about the show and then in the off season, we talk to a previous survivor, but we do the entire interview. And not even mentioned the word survivor there, actually, I I just I try to do something different. So I if you are looking for similarities between our two podcasts is. Podcast. There has been that, you know, I had, you know, allies on and Troy Zan and cast and this this is Randy. So, but as I said, you know, I felt in my heart that it was done as no mosh, and I just wanted to make sure that there's no no beef brassy stay out of this. King of beef. But I knew issue it does it does not bother me. Now does does does Korean? How does she feel that that I don't know that I I can't speak for I can't speak for anybody else. But for myself, but I I love Randy. We're going to talk to him in a couple of weeks. And absolutely, you know. Like hand to guide, and you are a godly, man. No, no issue whatsoever. Okay. We're. You know, there's there's only so many things. But I I do feel that we do something completely different. I I love what you do. I think you're the best at what you do. You've been doing this for so many years, I think you're credible. And when people when there is the go-to destination for survivor podcast. You're it. You're you an well-deserved if you're looking for an alternative companion piece. Feel free to give me and Matt Bischoff. Try we do try hard. We. As I mentioned, I believe is like the survivor fan jury Facebook group, or whatever, you know. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna get names wrong. I'm gonna I'm gonna get. I don't you know. Talking about the survivor fan jury Facebook group what what is that? Face for people. Like, you know, it's just like. What do you look forward to podcast? It's just like, well, you know, I love you, rob, Robin and fish back. They know the game so much better. You know, Johnny Till's, bad dad jokes and look. Yeah. That's it. That's my gimmick. So. So you were. The the favorite podcast of the survivor fan. Jerry Facebook group, I do not think I was. I think you were. Oh, okay. We're gonna can we run that the? Everybody. Welcome back to rob has a podcast the official podcast the authorized podcast the survivor fan jury Facebook Rubik shoutout to all of our listeners in the survivor fan jury. Look it up on Facebook. Facebook dot com slash group slash survivor fan jury. Go ahead and check out what they have to say survivor fan jury on Facebook. Jeez. I remember one podcast. Wow. Thank you and your and your authorized way to go. Took literally seconds to be all I mean, how long have been fighting for that authorization. Those one could have been authorized in. No, do you. Do you get a lot of pushback on your social media posting because there I talked to you, and I talked to Spencer both of you that are tied for the most social media posts in the last couple of days, but you have a longer track record. Sure. Yeah. No, people hate that. I mean, like, here's the thing. If I thought the word was out there in anyone and everyone that was going to listen to my podcast or go patriarch or by a t shirt, if everyone that that was going that could possibly do it knew about it at stop. But every single day. I like I'll sell a t shirt and someone's just like I just heard your podcast for the first time. I just found out about your podcast today. I just found out that if you buy a t-shirt you actually, call them and thank them for their purchase. I didn't think that was true like. So this is happening every day. So I feel that keeps saying it. And then you know, like I watch number like yesterday. I was number sixty eight on the I tunes top two hundred TV and film podcasts. I I almost cried it missed so much cluster sixty nine so close, but I check every I see your face every day. And I and I'm not mad. I can learn from just like this. This is my goal. Like, you know, I want to be like, rob see, you are a master. Not just good not just pretty good an absolute master it. What you do? And I look to you as as a as a mentor, and and also is a friend, and I see these Satan. I'm just like man, this is really so yesterday was a big deal for the survivor innocent w podcast. And today is is just as big is really great to be back on, you know, I have so many people that come up to me a real life. You know? Hearts reality or the other charities, and they're just like, well, I'm team rob as a podcast, and I'm like, so am I so. So. Thank you. This is not a competition is as I said, we're we're we're a friendly or maybe not so friendly alternative companion piece. So thank you for everything. You do. Yes. It's only a competition. If people decide I can only listen to one podcast, if I only have you know, one one hour or ninety minutes a week to listen to podcasts. Then then it's a competition. But that's not how people listen to podcasts people when they people love something they want as much as they can take about a subject, and that's podcasting work. So it's not it's not competitive. Is that shirt now, actually, Richard, and rob and Johnny and Russell is. It actually shirt of the the the podcasting greats in your mind. Ooh. See? Richard hatch. I guess he was on with with evil dick for a while. Right. Or was it Richard is is dick. I I'm guessing. Shoot to not. I guess I I'm guessing us Richard Tanada. All right. So then. This as the podcast, the podcasting greats. Well, yeah, there you go. Well, hopefully, people will be buying the podcast in grades shirt. Now available at joint dot com. Good looking out rob g's wherever you when we're having a marketing meeting. All right. Johnny fairplay. So great to catch up anything else. I feel like that. There's there must be something else that we didn't get to plug. No. I think we did an amazing. We thank you. We covered is. This is really really fun as I said, I just. I just wanted to catch up. So man, I love Matt Bischoff. Also, by the way, me to top ten nicest survivors of all time. Matt Mets been down with the flu. Get well buddy will catching up next week. So yeah. Well, Matt Bischoff. And then of course, we still have a lot to do here this week. I'm going to talk with Meghan Zee on our newly minted this week instaflex ever podcast beyond the look that we're going to record that over the weekend, and that should be up probably sometime on Sunday, and then the wiggle room with Tyler Wichert is going to be back on the Monday get into everything from the wand off in Josh Wigley will spill the T as he's been known to do. And so we will get into that all on Monday. So very much looking forward to that. And of course, that hey, look, we aren't doing. You know that I'm not I'm not calling people up on the phone, but we do have a patriot onto bribe's website dot com slash patriot. If people if people want to check that out if they have some they have some time left for more about survivor and everything else going on Rob's website accomplish patron to become a part of the robbers podcast patron community, Jonny fairplay. Thank you so much follow Jonny fairplay on Twitter at Jonny fairplay anything else thinks he ended up. 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Survivor 38 Episode 10 Feedback with Hannah Shapiro

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Survivor 38 Episode 10 Feedback with Hannah Shapiro

"Before we get to this week survivor feedback show with Hannah Shapiro wanting moment and thank one of our sponsors here today on the podcast and those are friends over at truecar every car comes with sheriff stories that thing in your bumper. When you nervously picked up a first date at luxury package, you got after a big promotion or the mileage is eight by riding your bike all summer long while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar at least you can find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell it or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch your car's details pop up then answer a few questions navigation and moon roof watches, they bump up your car's value, high mileage earned, it was gonna cost you. But now, you know, how much it's going to ding your wallet. So you can plan ahead at once. You're finished. You'll get a true cash offer Sinden minutes, which he thinks to a local certified dealer to cash out or Detroit in radio experience a better way to sell or trade in your car. Check out truecar today. True cash offer not available in all areas. You. From my apartment. It's rob has a podcast in. Now. Here's a guy who is about the make history with our guest appearance today. I am rob sister. Nino. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to a rob has a podcast here. I am back in the studio or another podcast. And I believe this is the first time here in season thirty eight that we have a guest with me here in the studio here, and if everything works, you can also watch the video on our YouTube channel here, she is with her historic appearance back here on the podcast as she becomes. I believe the first person to podcast five seasons in a row with me here in the studio here is the record-setting star of millennials versus gen-x the. Great Hanish Shapiro had our you. I'm so excited five-time club. You did it. I did it. You did it. They said I couldn't it couldn't be done. But here I have. Yes, here is here's here, you are and very excited to have you with us back in the studio four time number five amazing. It is. It's really a really exciting thing. I remember the first time I was in here. And I did apologize for everything and ask you if anything I said made sense. And now we're at time five, and so we've had so much fun. Yes. So much fun. So many opinions that I've got into read on the internet. And I realized I think I'm going to set a challenge for myself this podcast. I am going to try no matter how off the rails. This gets to not apologize because I realized the same reason some fans dig this podcast is why the same reason other people don't like it. So let's just do it unapologetically. Day. You can't have lovers without also having haters. Yes. Even though I've tried desperately to get everyone. Who hates me to like me. Nope. Can't do it. You can't ignore them ignore the haters where here. Yes. And it's a celebration of you here today as we talk about if you can believe it the departure of your dear friend, David, right? Yeah. Season from the thing. Extinction. I didn't know this was the episode. I'd be coming in for no idea and people are going to say see rob knows the spoilers because Hannah is here when David Reich voted out. No, I chose this date because I thought it'd be funny to come in on four twenty. I didn't know I didn't know that the day of we'd would be the day. David was picked off like a weed. Yes. The day that David Wright stands would need it most. Yes. And then Kelly Wentworth also goes home this week. I double returnee Avik Shen in one episode. It was pretty wild. Right. Well, this is a celebration of you here today as well. We're going to talk about everything from survivor, but I do have some some gifts for you here. Elebrate? It's a celebrate your your fifth time here on the podcast. We what is going on. So I have I have some presence for I'd like to. I'd like to present you with some some. Some gifts. My god. Okay. I I'd like to start off by presenting you with an R H AP buff like the kind that the route of the podcast patrons. Get. There you go. The are getting present for you know, you're already wearing a buff of some birthday party that you do not a real survivor bath. This is the birthday party. Buff of Mark who this and it says outlast outright out sweat. Yes. This is amazing is an RHA p buff for hand. I'm taking amazing. I also have for you. This is a very coveted. This is a. A gift certificate. This is a money in the Bank pass for Hannah Shapiro that you could appear as a guest on any episode of Robin. Akiva, Anita podcast. This is non transferable. Oh my God. They want to appear on an episode of Robin. Akiva, Nita podcast. No matter what the topic you just have to turn that in. And you can go ahead and share that with us. And then we will get you on Robin. Akiva, Nita podcast that week this on the wheel. And then also here is the coup de gras. I and now I know that you were asking for a jacket that was what you wanted. But I hope you don't mind, I took some creative liberty. I am so excited to see what's going to come out of the bag. So this is of course, your five time your appearance. Yeah. And a studio survivor loser feel like a real winner or real winner. Because you give us so many, great podcasts and. I'm sure today will be no different. No. You should've saved the guest for the end. Just in case. This was the worst. I'm gonna start with this. What is I have for you year in in this bag? And so this is of course, a very sad day that we have to talk about what went wrong or your deal Ren, David Wright. Of course, this is also your fifth time. So I made a custom. David Wright with the number five for you has nothing to do with the baseball player baseball player. And this is why is number five on it. Wait this almost amaze as is your fifth time. And he I'm I have this custom-made sh. Mets jersey for you. Of David for David Wright, this is friend, and I had a number five put on for your fifth appearance. Rob. This is how winters feel when they get their million dollar. Check from Jeff is the same thing. Good. All right. Well Hannah, I'm so happy that you're here to talk with us with this number five for your fifth appearance with David Wright, also name on the back of this picture. We'll take a picture. I know I keep him to the I keep posing to the video. It makes no sense. It makes sense. We're recording video. So all right. Thank you. Can. I just say, thank you. I said this before it started. But I always get very nervous before these podcasts. And I always feel like if I go off the rails will happen. But you are an fantastic interviewer. Thank you. It's like getting a hug every question because you know, you're very you're very good at taking a rambling answer and turning it into something beautiful. And I wouldn't keep coming back. If I didn't genuinely enjoy coming on. Well, it's a pleasure to have you here. It's so nice to have you in the studio because I do think that does add some energy to these podcasts when you could be there. With person not everybody wants to make the schlep out to where I live in the valley. So should I give the address in case anyone wants to? He's anybody wants to pop in then go go right ahead lie Kaelin Herman did a couple of weeks ago. That is now you like you'd like her. Well, let's get into some of the survivor stuff before we start to your your hate on social media only continues to grow and so. You will were not caught up on the season. But then as you have historically done, you binged bunch of the episodes to come in and talk to me, right. Yes. I don't know why. But every season I decided to make a big challenge for myself and give myself like four or five episodes to catch up on. And now people could think, oh, that's a bad way to watch it. But I think I watch it like a movie it's like a five episode movie. And so the protagonist the antagonise the side characters become more clear when you're watching it all at once I this week to week. I think the story is clear, and I'm not talking about like, hyper looks into the edit. I'm just talking about who stands out as the main narrators of the season. Okay. So who is standing out in this story of the season. I think Rick has Rick Devon's has evolved into a just a main story. Teller feels like if feels sometimes like we're watching Rick story from the first episode that I- rewatch for this podcast where he says he's the Kool aid man, and he's running in to him his emotional exit in which he didn't look stupid. It was just sad days. Big return to now being on the bottom. But some sort of power player. I think we may be watching Rick story. Okay. You think that the season could be it is the extinction? Yes. The edge of extinction. I will say has made it very difficult for me to fully tell who story we're watching. And I'm not saying, oh, I put all my I bet all my gifts on Rick winning. I just think it seems to be more and more his season. I think there are some other people, and we'll talk about it. I think there are some other people who stories it could be and there's some comeback kids. I sorta have my main island predictions and then my edge of extinction returner predictions. I think you have to separate it or talk to me about David, right? I will. Yeah. Sure. You, and I I last saw you back after the first episode, and you said to me David rights gonna win. I think Dave is Dave right? Is the winner of the season. I put all my money on it. I I bet Josh Wigley at your birthday party about twenty bucks because all the odds days. Okay. And I don't think he's out for the count. I don't I I just thought in a in a newbie returning combo. Dave has a way with words and away with storage Hallyg that I felt like could make him a potential winner. He I thought he could humble himself enough to not scare everyone right off the bat. But also boasts. Himself up enough to create a path, and I'm not I don't think he's out of it of my extinction island potential returnees. Dave is on the top of that list. Why does you feel like that? He seems so confident going back in. I just think we've seen a full story of his experience out there. I think he I think it I think there is a thing to of the longer on extinction. It seems the more hopeless and exhausted. You feel I think the newer extinction people we saw this with Rick. Rick got back in the game after just tapping his butt on extinction island. He came right back because I think there is something about your still in game mode. You're still energized. I mean, David said, I'm still enga- mode. All these other people are tired and bored and exhausted. I wouldn't be shocked if Dave was the one to pop back in. Okay. All right. So what was your reaction watching him the other night? I you prepared for this. I didn't know I was shocked. I was really tone. Obviously, I'm not a an unbiased podcast or I am friends with David Wright. And I was really rooting for him. I felt like while his line at tribal got a big Dave laugh. The my brand is loyalty, I did think he has some very good lines throughout the episode where even though they weren't working. He was making some very valid arguments and points, I think the best thing he kept saying was there's always a conversation when you leave the island that you regret that you remember that sticks in your head. And as all losers of survivor will attest to that is true. I think he was saying very true statements but trying to put them on every situation. And I think he did the best. He could I don't I don't know. What more he could have done? Done. I do think it was ironic. The big irony of this episode was that Kelly didn't play her idol when she should've and Dave played his advantage too soon. Like, I think we had two examples of returnees on both ends of the spectrum doing it wrong and to no fault of their own because it's a gamble either way. But we saw both ends of that. I felt like did you feel like there was anything that you saw from David this season that you felt like that he was making a wrong move or something that knowing ham? That was not the right call for him as a player. I think that all the returnees were difficult situation. It seems like this is the first fan versus favorite type season where the fans were like we're going to take back the night, we're gonna take back our season. So if anything it seems like I mean, and this is listen, this is vaccine quarterbacking that's not a phrase, but. If feels like him and Kelly should've maybe. You know, sat down and said neither of us are going to get to the end in less. We sort of berry this machete. And I think that looking back. I'm sure I'm sure there were valid reasons why Dave and Kelly wanted to go after each other. They were both threatened by each other. Because they both knew that the other person was a big interesting returnee. But at some point, I think it would have benefited them to maybe try to mend some fences. Because I think they were up against a group of fans that didn't want the store it'll be a returning. It seemed like coming out of that tribal council where Julia got voted out where it was the. Hi, remember me? Yeah. It felt like okay. Finally, David in Kelly. You're going to work together. It's it's going to work out, and we're going to see them and now less who is going to get back together. They're going to pick off the Gavin's in the auroras, and Victoria's and now here we go, and this could be an all less who final five, and then we came into the next episode. And at that started around the play were David went home. It was like, okay. The new six is Kelly dog Lauren Gavin, Ron and Julie and how did David and Devon's not get back in with less sue after that tribal council. You'll like the answer is worth dogs war. Doug was Rick Devon's like after that tribal council where it seems like that. He was so impressed with David and Devon's then the next episode started and war dog was like. Okay. Right. Well, this is what I think. But I think I'd say war dogs because there seemed to be an very intense rivalry between war dogs, and Dave. And I feel like we maybe didn't see all the details of why these two maybe they just looked at each other. And it was like looking into a mirror physically. And they were like, I can't let you go. With me. There were just like worse where intense bald men we can't do this. But I don't know. I feel like I feel like it was in other players best interests to not let a bridge form between Kellyanne, Dave. And if you're sitting on the couch, which is a lot easier than sitting on the island. I mean, I think the next I mean, the couch opinion is probably the only way for Kellyanne Dave to have. You know, moved forward is to both play their advantages correctly and link up at some point and that was impossible both because they for for very smart reasons didn't trust each other. But also because you had fans making sure that didn't happen. I don't think it's a coincidence that as soon as David Wright went out of the game Kelly went right after I don't think so either. Yeah. I mean, and you know, if we're if we're talking about potentially who story this is even though it does it starting to feel more and more like Rick story. I do think were dogs has emerged as you know, a real. Mind trigger to be reckon with did you like the move that he made? And this was another of discussion. Stephen an I all season long have been on opposite sides of almost every single thing that's happened in this season. And so I I liked what war dog did Stephen dense. Stephen did not he felt like that. It was of a too hasty of a move. He gave a Ron the fishy. I think just because that because that Ron went along with a plan that was bad for war dog. I don't know Ron excluding Julie would take away for me. That's that's how I felt the Billy Julius seems to be big into inclusion. Yeah. Aurora so much hates Aurora. And was Julie really seemed like, you know, in bed with Ron Ron said in bed at one point some using its own. And so I don't know that that was the best thing for Ron sorry. Can you owe more docile about from Wardag on? Okay. I think. Listen, if he if he doesn't make it to the end, I think it's going to be the thing that people throw at him. Like, why did you sort of eliminate your close ally shield is is going to be what people say at the same time. I think were dogs whole thing is that he feels like he can mentally stay at like ten steps ahead of everyone. And I feel like Kelly we've seen it earlier in the season picks up on what we're dogs is doing and is someone who could maybe see through some of his were dog Dogori that I think eliminating someone who is. Ahead of your own mind tricks is not the worst thing. But again, I don't know what his path is where he had this shield that people didn't want to go to the end with and that less u-3 was talked about as a very powerful force, and he sort of deep Howard his own less three. And now what does Lauren think of war dogs? Well, that's going to be a great thing to watch. And we'll find out where Lauren goes, and if she can trust wore dog after this, but I kind of have faith that he's going to be able to heal some of these wounds and great yet there was safety there. If Kelly was in the game, but I'm pretty convinced that if we're dog got to the final three with Kelly. I don't that's not what I'm saying though. I don't think he would have tried to get there with Kelly. But my question is does he try to get to four with her or five her, and then he has other people that don't want Kelly in the end, and then it propels him forward. Sometimes. And I know I got a lot of shift for keeping our own David right around too long. But sometimes you keep the shield around to a dangerously close position of the three. And then eliminate them at the last minute and get yourself into the three and that was at a time. When there wasn't a final four fire making, right? Of course, you know, you could sort of end up in the scenario where if you wait too long, absolutely the move and wore dog didn't even know Kelly Wentworth had an idol she's a threat to win unity her closest ally has an idol might be able to make fire. I mean who knows? So if you don't do it now, or at least soon, you may not be able to do it. And I really do have faith that war dog is going to be able to make more connections. Yeah. The person that we've seen be able to we saw in this episode with those flashbacks within thirty seconds. He was able to get a Rick Devon's onboard Aurora, Victoria, and just and these are some of these people are not his close allies where he has. Yeah. Uh-huh. In says in thirty seconds. Okay. This is the vote. It's when worth tonight, don't say anything. Okay. Bye. And that's it. And they and they did. Yeah. I mean, he did pick up desperate people to be to be fair. I mean, he's on the bottom. No. He did a great job. And I realized now I've continued to call them war dogs which to his face. I called him when I met him as well. Dogs with Z. It's with an S. It's not with Z. I know that would have been cooler rephrase of this. I think war dogs thrives in the survivor environment. I think some people like, I don't know Don Mahan, for instance, it was against every instinct it was against every instinct on her body to betray someone to play a mind game on them. And this isn't a diss aura compliment, but I just feel like this is worth dogs best environment. Like, I think he's really loves doing this. And it's thriving off of it. So I'm not sure I mean. Yeah. Maybe he can. I'm just saying that if for some reason, he gets axed sooner rather than later, people are gonna wonder why his close ally slash threat was eliminated by him. But didn't you see in the jury where Aubrey was like? Oh, yeah. I mean people like the journal like the people on the extinction island that's going to be all. The buzz like, wow. Can you believe the war dog? I love what. I'll of course. I feel like that out of all the players that are in the game. Yeah. If he gets to the final three right now, I think he's the winner. I don't want percent agree with that. Why who do you feel like is somebody who is if they get there? So right now. Oh, who's the person that you feel like has a better case than war dog? It's not so much better case. But if you're looking at your jury reactions, which just brought up every time Rick speaks we we are shown jury member smiling. Julius smiles, Dave, smiles, I'm not saying this for certain that I could see war dog sitting with Rick and losing. I will say that if you know, the people that were anti Rick Devon's with people that were pro war dog, but by making this move war dog does potentially cut off his constituency jury if Rick is there with war dog in the end now, maybe Kelly is like, well, I don't care for Rick Devon's. But you know, screw you wore dog. Listen, maybe feels the same way. And there's a lot of pro Rick Devon's people. So I I definitely do think that that probably would be the person that I feel like that might have more votes in their pocket in the end. And I'm not saying that one has a better case over the other. I'm just saying you asked me if there's anyone who could wore Daunton final three. And I'm saying if there is anyone I think is Rick Devon's you wanna talk about stories. I mean, the whole season is extinction island. And you we hire all these. I mean, the big reason for voting off, Dave. And I thought it was a great. Line by war dogs. The attorneys have too good a story. It's too much of a story rip. Devon's was voted out and went to extinction came back and is now a power player mid mid to late merge. I mean, that's the story. Does a story. That's a great story knows about breaking stories. This sucks. Yeah. There are there are a couple. I don't know why I side like that. But I'm not gonna apologize. No. I won't so apologetic. Alright war dog is in the driver seat right now. Fair to say, yeah. He's what's the next move. Are we going to use a he's a? And we're the flight attendant serving the passengers food come back to that. We'll come back to that. Let's let's let's be serious for a little bit more before we let this thing. Go off the rails. Yeah. Let's do that. So what was the question again? So what's the next move for war dog? Where does where does it go next? So that was the final nine vote now we're down to eight. So if you're war dog, what is the next piece to take off is it do you go to Lauren next because that's sort of where do you feel like that you can pick Lauren up now and go somewhere else? Well, we saw the preview sort of way where his next move might be which he tells. Ron and Rick. Let's were the three biggest threats. Now, we need to get together. So it seems like his next move was shown in the preview which is going to get the threats together. And they're going to try to pull in other people. My question is how emotional it depends. How emotional some of these people are because Julie being blindsided? It is possible. He she explodes in wants him out. We don't know what's going to happen next. But I think it's going to be to to as the next move is going to be like cleanup. Right. Well, how do you mean clean up? Trying to vote out whatever rival emerges from the emotional aftermath that was this vote. So if Lauren whoever is extremely antiwar dogs because they're pissed that they weren't apart of the Kelly vote might be the next target. Do you disagree? So say one more time. So I think because we've seen people react in big emotional ways. It is possible that someone who is blindsided Julie or Lauren is very angry. And decides to go on an antiwar dog tirade. I think is next move would be to get the people. He made the move with which we see in the preview, Rick and Ron together and try to target someone who is emotional and mad at him after this cleanup. I don't know. Maybe maybe Gavin. I actually maybe Gavin lost. He's the one in the preview talking about how he's really mad at war dog. I mean Gavin has been very under edited this season. A we have no idea how him in Kelly Wentworth got close if he all the sudden told us he has a good relationship with Kelly. He wanted to go after David he was the person that he was talking about being a writer die with that with that six then even after that tribal council where his closer. Ally in our mind. Julia went out he came away from that tribal council starting a new six with Kelly and Lauren war dogs and Iran, Julie. And but now he's he's going to be pissed. He loves Kelly Wentworth. Let's Kelly went worth I think I knew it could be a Gavin vote. What I'm saying is my gosh, I hit this your. What I'm saying is. Yeah, I think it could be a Gavin vote. I think it's going to be whoever is the most emotional and angry against war dogs, which it sounds like in a preview might be Gavin. I think war dogs is going to try to get someone out before they get him out. And I think the person who emerges. We'll be someone who is the aftermath of the Kelly vote. That would be my prediction. What's your prediction? It's interesting. I don't feel like it'll be Lauren. No. I don't think. So either I wonder could it be could it be Aurora? Now could it be Aurora now to get Julie back on board potentially? Yeah. That's smart. If war dog, and Ron and Devon's come to Julie and say, okay, let's take our Aurora this time around. Oh, that's I think the people it. It isn't going to be. I don't think it's going to be Julie. I don't think Ron wants Julie gone. I don't think we're dogs is going to turn on Rick, Iran. I don't think the toria would make any sense. So the though the votes left, then I guess our Gavin Aurora because what we're Wardag has left himself vulnerable here. If after all, this somehow comma could come back together, and we know Ron Clark, he loves comma, if he does the dance thing if he could get back. On board with a with with Julie, I they'd have to work with Aurora to or at least him Julie, Victoria, Gavin and pissed Lauren. That's five now to go after the people who are the anti went worth faction of less sue, which would be wore dog Devon's at this point. I think that wouldn't even need Aurora in that case, I think that this season. Usually we see one alliance who dominates become dysfunctional. And then we see another alliance band together. Every alliance seems like a mess hall. Susan this mental right? I feel like there's not a group of people. That there's no group of people that's a happy family. So the idea of karma coming back together seems a little farfetched to me, really. I mean, that's just as likely to happen, as you know, the first thing that we talked about the. Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen. This season really is just completely random. I I was saying last night that it's like a brand steal season. You don't know. What that is. Right. Yeah. It's just like a like a random survivor simulator of like, oh, the war dog voted out. Kelly win worth. Oh, that's a big shock. And there was nothing indicating prior to that that that was a possibility, but it happened, and it's very hard to make a prediction from week to week when the season this is I think the most fluid survivor season, you know, it's like picking name out of the hat, and that's just as likely to be the person that goes home as anything else, we're doing with studying the show. I agree with large parts of that. I think I think some of the groundwork was laid for Kellyanne war dogs not getting along. Like, I do things that the storytelling is not quite as sporadic. Is that makes it seem? I just think that if you look at David versus Goliath the last season. Yes. Some of the David's turned on each other. Gabby took Christian yada, yada, yada or try to take okay Christian. But I think for the most part you you had people being loyal to each other this season. I think it's just so dysfunctional. There's no alliance that everyone loves each other alliance. Give me two people still in the game right now that are loyal to each other. I would have said Julian Ron, but no hold on. I mean Lawrence who told me to names tune into names of people that get along in the game. Could you say Gavin in Victoria hill? They know because they gas in was in the six there's eight people left in the game. There's not two of them that are on the same page. I agree. I'm just saying I agree with you. I'm just saying that I think things are we're shown tidbits of. What's important? We're seeing. What's what's important? Well, we saw that Kelly didn't fully trust war dogs to tell who he was. And so it wasn't so shocking. No. I mean in the reemerge that there was those conversations, but they've been in lockstep the entire post merge. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why it doesn't feel crazy that someone on the bottom like Rick could end up winning because there's just there's not even the war dogs is controlling so much. It's not through any place of like power or loyalty. It is. It is kind of an bunker season deal blame the metaphors what blame the metaphors of in. What way like like, do you think this talk of passengers and pilots may everyone feel like staying loyal makes you a passenger? Well, we've talked about this a little bit on the podcast this season. Where that I think that the ghost? East of ghost island is really weighing heavily on this season. And in the way that laurel got dragged all through the end of that season in the show. I think that the last thing they saw was the the ghost island. Finale. I think they might have rewatch it at ponder Rosa. Also and everybody is just drilled into their head. Hey, don't be laurel don't be the law. You're being a real laurel right now. And and I love laurel. Yeah. I like, I'm laurel stand. Okay. But I feel like that everybody is out there. Hey, gotta make a move can't sit there and the end loose Dominic and Wendell gotta vote. Those guys out gotta have these these. You know, I'm trying to think what's what's the right thing that that you would if you were like hunter pelts health, you're asking me about king. Like, these are all the these are all my kills you need like the the has done spikes on y'all's taxidermy. Dino put heads spikes. It's definitely like on the wall game of thrones. Okay. Yeah. No. I think yes, I'm sure they watched ghost island and were afraid I also just think something about having returning players. You have these people come in. And I know is a superfan for some reason because of the colors I was told to wear I freaked out for a couple of days thinking, it was a fans versus favorite season why why based on colors because the coloring of our season mirror the fan versus favorites color where I was told to wear those orange yellows. And then the I knew the other team would be like the purples of the Ling. And there were there was no evidence that this was a fans versus favorite season. No one thought. So. But there was a couple of days. I remember calling my mom and being like, oh, no it's going to be fans versus favorite and the feeling of that as a superfan was the stories of this season are going to have nothing to do with the new people. It's going to all be we're all just going to become obstacles to these returning players. Just like in the most of the fans versus favorite seasons. It's oh this fan was the one who loved par forty or this fan was like Cochran's, bro. Like, there's just never we're not gonna be real people were just going to be. And I think were dogs. Best line was going back into the history books and being like, they're going to be the story. We saw Victoria earlier in the season when she was justifying one into photo Aubrey saying I don't want this to just be Aubrey story. And so it's the combination of ghost island. But also from the get-go, you know, the show is like this could potentially be the third and second acts of your favorite players. It's going to have nothing to do with you. And I think this last episode. It's people not wanting to be a passenger or a someone in ghost island who was a passenger or it any, and it's also I don't want to be a passenger to the returning players stories. And I think that's why a lot of alliances were broken up. I mean, a lot of the breaking points where the Joe vote and now the Dave haute in the Kelly vote. It's all you know, you don't want to be a passenger to returning players story. 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And a thirty two year old. He's not agents. Yes. He's all over the place. Okay. Here's the phone back. All right. Sorry. Let's all right. Talk to me about these metaphors because I on your Twitter profile that you are very taken with the metaphors in this season. I'd I like to say I think that the biggest one of the biggest losses of David being on extinction. Now is that love them or hate them? Or I don't know who's hating on. Don't don't do. He was a great for. Does she hate it? I don't think so she's been very quiet during the season. We don't know he was a great tribal talker. But who did introduce a very prominent metaphor, which was sharks and minnows Shari's, minnows, passengers and pilots. He did a passenger and pilot went to a couple of trouble councils ago where he said like right now everybody is a passenger here. And they could be the pilot if they want to and now Julie's on a single pilot play into Julie's flying her own plane, Julie extend the metaphor to say, she she parachuted out of the the commercial airline and flying her own plane now. Yeah. Which is yes. Quite the image. Now, you said you came up with your own metaphor recently for this survivor season. And I wanna I wanna find it. So I can quote you correctly here on this tweet. Yes. Okay. So you said on. Honestly, the only reason I'd ever go back is to introduce new metaphors into the mix. Hashtag survivor lines is they're not airplanes. They are all butthole. You have stuff constantly coming out. And you just hope that the butthole is hairy enough that you'll anything said shit coming out. You're just hope that the butthole is hairy enough that you're able to hang in there. And then Abby Maria poop emoji for you. Yes. And then Stephen fishbach said trust clusters, and I said, no, but clusters close. All right. All right. All right. So I thought that we. Okay. Now, you're giving me disgusted looks you. Brought this up just. Pretty graphic. Right. So I have a game for you here on. Okay. And so you played with David, right? I did you. I love to our a master of the metaphor yourself as demonstrated by the last week. And so what I have here today is let me grab this. This is so fun. Let me just say it. See I I am retired. But I do think if I ever went back it would be just to trolls survivor with with really graphic thirty metaphors. Right. So I heard here a wig lers wombats hat that is filled with potential survivor metaphors. This is so fun. So what I'd like to do. Here is go back and forth. Yeah. And then you take take a paper. Okay. This beautiful wig lers wombats hat. It's fine. And then you have have a subject, and let's see how good you are. Can you metaphor what comes up? Well, see, and let's go back and forth. Really fun. Okay. Here you go. I guess I don't need to close my eyes. There's no to that. You take one take just one take one. And then and then I'll and I'll take one. Okay. All right. I have not seen this before open it up on. All right. So here's fan. Being at Starbucks. All right. Okay. All right. Jeff props fellow players. Do you want your game to be waiting in a long line waiting to get your coffee? You could spend your whole line behind an angry mother who has not yet had our coffee just to at the last minute realize, you forgotten your wallet? And you don't even end up with coffee or do you want to storm to the front of the line and tell that barista I want the war dogs special double Expresso, it's your choice. But at the end of the day, we'll fans think of you as caffeinated or just putting them to sleep. Well done. Thank you so much. That was fun. I liked this guy. All right here. I it's mine is oh salad. Okay. Salad. Okay. You know, Jeff. Survivor is like a salad. You. Going to help you lose weight. You're gonna get tossed around. And at the end of the day. You're gonna get chop. I love it. That was great. I really felt there so fun. Okay. All right. You go again. Okay. Oh, are we not supposed to go? Again, this fun game. This is a bunch of in the air. Okay. This is going to be the next four hours of. All right. Keep going I'm next. Okay. What do you have being at Chucky cheese? Oh, he ending of. All right. Jeff probes survivor is like being Chucky cheese. There's always a mom crying. That would be Julie. There's always a redhead Chucky cheese, Victoria structures. Redhead? I believe Chucky cheese is a red had or maybe giant mouse. Oh, no, I'm confusing him with Ronald McDonald. There's always an eclectic group of characters just like here. But at the end of the day this challenge this week was about balancing balls on a plate. Just like the ball pit Chucky. Jeez. Those balls were dirty. But the one who can jump into the pit the best is the one who will go home safely and the pizzas. Terrible. Yeah. Just like in Fiji. That was great, man. That was fun. Oh, yeah. going to Coachella. Oh, tell me rob Hester Nino. How is survivor going to Coachella? Jeff survivors a lot like going to Coachella. Everybody's really dirty. There's a lot of Dushi millennials. And in the end. You you really wonder what the hell you thinking? Plus for some people going just like going to Coachella survivor is just about the Instagram followers. Okay. All right. I'm having a blast doing this. As opposed to being like, this is what David should regret about his game. Okay. Let's see. What do you got? I got playing monopoly playing monopoly. A quick thing about me. I once played monopoly twenty six times, I won every time. And the one time I wasn't going to win. I through the board across the room. Your metaphor. I wish it was. Survivor. It's it's just like playing monopoly. Because at the end of the day. The board game has a lot of property on it. But you don't really own anything to any. I think this is my worst one. I think my last one needs to be a redemption one. Yeah. I I, you know, I it's funny because you would think that the board game one would be the easiest one to do. Here. Let me let me here. Let me say. Yeah. You do the seal you show them. How it's done. I'm not going to apologize though. Jeff. Yeah. Playing survivor is a lot like playing the game of monopoly house, my grab everybody's making a lot of moves. Some of the players have trouble staying out of jail. Oh, and there's a dog piece in monopoly, and in the end one person's going to end up with all the money and everybody else is probably going to be broke. I love that. Well, this makes sense. What'd you got? Jeff playing through survivor. It's sort of like game. Yes. How so. Everyone is fighting to get on a giant metal thrown. But at the end of the day, the white walkers a man who never ages Jeff Probst is the real winner and kill everyone. Playing survivors like playing game of thrones. Because there I could list I could game thrones characters everyone. That's not the game. We're playing with. Game of thrones for everybody. Well, I think I think Victoria has to be egret degree. Okay. Know nothing. Jon snow, and Jon snow would be in this situation. Aubrey no Aubrey do not allow the Joe is probably the Jon snow. Jon snow. Well, Victoria has to be great because they both have red hair. This is a really deep reason us go on who is who are you into game of thrones. Yeah. Okay. I loved Sunday's episode. Those very exciting. The real night. Let's say. The faceless. The faceless aria who kills everyone. Is that were jokes is war dog? The faceless aria who kills everyone. I mean, people out left and Ryan, I wouldn't think so you wouldn't either. Or is that Kelly? You know, what I thought I could do this. And now, I'm realizing how hard maybe you start with the person Kelly is. Yes. Oh, yes. Because she's got blonde hair. I like how people listening aren't going to oh, they're gonna take very deep insight into why each person is a game of thrones character. And so far the two we've solidified are eager has red hair. So Victoria, denarius has blond hair. So she must be Kelly. Playing by this isn't there? There's the Sarah's would be four dogs because he's bald. Because at this point. We're only going by hair-color Lauren is Ari. The war dog tweeted a memoir, he was maybe maybe Victoria is the lady Melania, Sandra. No lady of winter fell Sansa Sansa. She is subtle. But she is smart now, this makes more sense. I think victorious Sansa this whole question is just me in which redhead, Victoria. It's not actually what you've gotta be. All right. That game started off fun and went off the rails. All right. Maybe we'll come back to it at the this is a question from Gregory mcbean. A lot of people wanted to hear you talk about. This can talk about Kelly told everyone on the edge of extinction. That Lauren has an idol. Now. Whoever returns to the gain knows that Kelly's best girl has an idol isn't that harmful to her future game? Okay. So we saw in the episode seeing back I had an idol on one of these people. And so and then she said Lauren has the money to idle Lauren has the mon- for first off. Let me just say that I feel like that. We. We did make a lot of progress this season with women finding the idols. Yeah. I feel like this one check women are fun. That's the good news. That goodness is. They've two of them have walked out with leaving with the idols. Yes, it is. Really, good news, bad news. I mean this season films before last season. So they were setting us up for this whole shadowing. It was all for shadowing. Yes. Before this season only. Andrea was the only woman who had left with an idol. And now we have we have tripled. That is a true. The only woman non man is that read that online probably well Lorimer, hey, half of an idol, Dr Mike through the full normal. Idle full normal idol did any other woman ever voted out with? I don't know. You're the expert frying thing that is that's possible. But the to to get to what is his name Gregory's question. You get to Gregory's question. I did go. Kelly. But I do think that was your reaction was when you're watching. Oh, get with the idol when she said about Lauren. No when she was like Lauren has the mahu idle. I what I girl don't do that. Laura ju but I do think I mean, correct. Hell, no. That was my reaction. But I. I do wonder though, I believe, and I don't know. But my guess would be similar to redemption island that someone from extinction comes back at five. So with that in mind would matter comes back at five to make it then six right? That would be my guess. So then oh, wait. Then it gets it wouldn't matter. The telling would wonder if was Chekhov's slip of the tongue. I mean at that point is Kelly. Just so mad that she doesn't. I assume if feels extinction extinction feels like Ponderosa where you go, and you unload is Kelly just not also wonder that she is telling you, the David I wonder if David Wright and Kelly Wentworth have talked about this a lot and oh, man. Can you believe you think there's any more idols in this game? And then Kelly's like, Nope. I don't think so. Like could have had the same ha- with just saying she had an idol. She didn't need to throw learn underlying. She was like maybe David Wright, though, you know, what they write looks bridles. And was he either I can't I are there even idols in this game that there's no idols here that I've looked everywhere on both camps. There's no idols. And then maybe they talked about this a ton. And she's like just so, you know, I had the idol Lauren had the other one. So all the same feeling would have been communicated had. She said I found an like, yeah. I don't know. I if if someone comes back at six and Lauren decides not to play her idol to save it. And they know she has I mean, potentially it could be a huge thing or it could just be an off handed comment. She made because she had just gotten photos. They showed it to us which makes me feel like that. It's rob ably gonna be thing. Well, let me ask you in this. But I don't think it was the thing. I don't think it was intentional. I don't think it was a militias thing. Oh, I don't think it was malicious. I think she just got voted off with an idol, and she was pissed and she was like this is what happened Alana says Alana a lot of wants to on Twitter will Lawley underscore Alexandria, one of the great Twitter handles. Yes. I mean, you hate mine. So I I don't know where the little Nessin comes from little Nessin is my middle name. I literally your middle name. Now, the whole internet. I literally no Twitter handle is the most straightforward thing. It's my first three means. But Lally Alexandra underscore Alexandra's. Okay. With you. That's I mean, that's that's as good as you can get. I don't understand your rally underscore, Alexandra. Okay. I mean, what is the question about Lally? We'll Lally underscore Alexandra the able to you. That's that's Lauren. I know. Yes. Be able to use her insight of being the only one in the game who knew Kelly had an idol to go out and look for it being re hidden and wind up with two idols. Now, this I think is a great question. I think it is too. Because now that Lauren new Kelly had the idol. Yes. She knew that Kelly's voted out and probably will be the only person with the information that an idol is now related is it possible that Kelly Wentworth game had to die. So that Lauren's gain can live. Yes. Okay. I think also everyone's wrote Rhodesia everyone's convinced that the only way you get advantages is through the extinction island telephone port home. And so not only is she the only one who knows that Kelly guided with an idol, she's the only one who knows that idols are normal and hidden, they usually are Aubrey Aubrey new, but she's Chilin with the. Linked people. Yes, I think absolutely Lauren could find a second idol that would be great could Lauren win. I think Lauren has a path. Yes. Okay. Tell me her path. I think there has to be a lot of fireworks in this last part of the game. Because I think, you know, the preview suggested this is just based on the storytelling. The preview suggested that the three people considered the most intense and powerful are Rick war dogs, and Ron and and that preview makes me think. No, no. I think Lauren has a bigger chance then Ron of Ron winning. But that Phoebe suggests that out there. That's how people viewed things that everyone else weren't as weren't seen as as powerful. So I think Warren would have to do a very flashy last part of her game. But I think that if Lauren is able to control her emotions and get back in with some of the people that burned her use an idol or idols correctly. And then we've also seen how strong she is. She could potentially win things if she does some combo of forgiving people playing idols correctly and winning. I think she could definitely win are feeling that she's like the heir-apparent Kelly Wentworth where now that she was Kelly protege. She could get the NFL that she sort of like inherits the Kelly Wentworth story to some degree in the final for also. I mean rewatching the season when she passes out on the challenge and her confessional is. I'm just mad. I lost. What a bad ass that girl is. I mean, I just think that's so awesome. I mean here I'm having panic attacks without even being in the challenge. Lauren almost dies and doesn't care about that. She's just like I fell. I would have been appropriate it or would it have been appropriate. If other survivor players were strategizing about the challenge while you were having a panic attack. Would you would you have been upset about that? I wouldn't have personally been upset. Now. I understand that. It wasn't Aurora's. Best luck only because it was very scary to watch that at washing at home because Lauren I don't even know that were a realized Lauren was not moving for a second. So it wasn't like Lauren passed out and was sort of breathing heavy but talking was out cold. And it was very frightening. And that juxtaposed with Aurora's because it wasn't just that arose. Was negotiating Aurora was like, whoa is me. I got excluded from vote and so. Whoa. Is me. I got excluded in. I'm not being cheer for cut with lower is auroras defense that that attack you. I'm just saying it wasn't a it wasn't think that she had the peripheral vision. See what was going on? I don't either. That's why I'm saying she didn't realize that Lauren. What I was trying to say was she didn't realize Lauren was not even vocal for a while. Like her head was stuck. I'm just saying it wasn't edited together. It wasn't the best especially with Julia weeping. Do I agree with you? I'm not anti Aurora. I'm just it. Wasn't her shining moment, of empathy? Let's take this question. Natty from Israel. Ooh. Aunts to ask you another one of the Email players this season hero VIN Hannah, nothing Israel here. So I wanted to ask is has seen the Lara's between herself in Victoria, Victoria, keeping a low profile enough threatening anyone savings Hanna because always able to be on the right side of the vote in everyone believes he is on their side against his hand. So we've been thirty makes it to the end is going to have the same problem. Had had making the jury. Appreciate that type of player love to be your answer aid that you lost thirty three and would love to see again ninety so nice, all if Israel. Thank you for sending in a question every time. I get a voicemail. I'm just like this is so cool. Yeah. That that because we were on survivor. We get to talk to people from all over the world. I've I've seen this type of question on the internet to just do you see Victoria as somebody who is a similar player to the type of game that you played at millennials versa. Gen-x? It's interesting because people I don't think we could be more different. Like, I think Victoria's the pit ame- of cool. Like, she is. She reminds me a little bit of corny from China. She's just like she's so cool. Like, I almost like she'd be the person that sleep wake camp. I would want to hang out with me. And I'm like, I don't I think she's just so cool like effortlessly, and I think the reason people were drawn to her was because she was just like she's from New York, right? She was just like, so personality wise, I think. We're on pretty different waves. I think that she does not seem to care much what people think of her. And that's and that's your goal. Listen after this podcast is done. Even though I said, I wouldn't I will track down anyone who doesn't like it and beg them to love. That's just a key part of how I deal with. That's just how I feel. I care a lot. I try not to. But I think that Victoria, somehow, I don't know if it's a facade or what it is. But she doesn't seem to care what everyone thinks which makes her just like. An enigma to me. She's so interesting in that way. She's just like I don't care if I heard Aubrey I'm doing this thing. She had the tweet recently where what was it like where Lawrenceville down and she tweeted a like, luckily, I'm not that emotionally invested in these people. So I think she's hilarious. Like, I think she's her Twitter's really funny. This is not the question. So personality wise, I would say we're coming from different perspectives. I do I I could see Victoria, losing at the end. So in an I, and I think she might I there are a couple of people that feel like potentially losing finalists her and Julie both feel like and not because of the games they're playing, but just because of how the stories being told where I could see a jury not quite seeing she she's just not as flashy as Rick or award dogs or even a Lauren and the. The only time the jury has to understand what's going on is at tribal or what people are telling them. And I'm not sure that her game play is as flashy. And so I do I do see the similarities, I think she she's way cooler than me, which we've already gone over. But. Yeah. I see her intelligently seeing everything, but maybe not being as performance in the way, she's approaching like tribal council. I mean, I think a big problem. I had wasn't even that I was quieter game. It's that I didn't think about the stories. I was telling to people that were gonna then go on the jury, and I wasn't performing for the jury, and I could see that being a similarity. I disagree. I think that she has a case that she can make. But I think that she needs to be able to articulate it where that she's played this game where I believe that she's voted for the right person every single time and this has been the wildest season yet. And it's up is down down is up and every week different. I it goes home. She's somehow been on the right side of the numbers every single time. And so if she can get to a final trouble council and pound the table. And say, hey, wherever this crazy game was going. I was there. I'm the only person I voted for the right person every single time like like damn it. Like like, I just like I deserve this like you can be quiet. I think in the in the lead up to that final Trump council, but I think she needs to then be loud. And you know, and play on like, a really, you know, pound her chest about the accomplishments that she had because I think she's playing the perfect, Sandra game brilliant. Let me just be clear to the inevitable comments. I'm about to get by just responding to this. This person's question. I did not. I do not think I played as good a game as Victoria. I think she's great. I think she's playing great game. I'm not like you think you're going to give comments of like kinda you are. No, Victoria bay did on Twitter. I already saw comment that was like, no, you're where you were to motion. You're not as great as Victoria. So to those sending. I'm just trying to to to to compare it. And I do think listen, I tried to pound my fist. I final tribal. There's only so much Turner on. You can do it if final tribal do I think Victoria could win. Yeah. I think she's one of the couple of people that if she sat with if she sits with the right people she could win if I sat with the right people despite with haters are going to say, I think I could have had a decent chance as well. But the question is is she going to sit next to someone who was louder and flashier and not be able to communicate everything at one final tribal, right? And Sandra in her seasons where she wants. She said next to Lil people did not love wrong with me, but people were not to fund of Lil. And then she sat next to Russell. And people thought that poverty was an enabler. Sandra was sort of like the opposition party to that. So I do think that in addition to being on the right side of the numbers. I think that also the toria. Needs to at least stand four something in the game of I think that if I'm a person on the jury, I think I might say, well, what did you do? Well, I voted the right way every single time. Yeah. But like, what was I think if I'm a jury person and Victoria does loose at the end hypothetically, I think I'm watching the season back saying, oh, I totally get what I miss. The problem that might occur is that a lot of the reasons I like, Victoria, and we can all agree. She's playing a pretty great game is we're seeing her nary shin throughout the season. She was one of the few com of people that we heard from other than Aubrey and Joe in the early part of the season. And I think we understand what her game is. And I think that's because of confessionals and the jury should trust me. The jury doesn't hear your confessionals. So I think as of you were at home it is possible. She goes to the in a wins. It's possible. She goes to the end and loses. It's possible. She's a bit of a carrot cake. And she, you know, people really like her and she ends up fourth or fifth. I think all the possibilities are there. In terms of comparing her to me, I think a thing I didn't quite take into account was the performance of nature for both people at camp whom about to send to the jury and then tribal council itself, and I wonder if Victoria looks back. On it. And sees a similar thing. So what does she do differently? Same thing. I could go to hand with the right people. And also wink at the jury the whole time. She needs to have like an antagonists where does she need to you know, sort of be seen like a like, the she need a move in the she needed person where even like Sandra who never got Russell out of the game that she was seen as the person who was the opposition to to Russell by the people on the jury, and the she needs to sort of like, you know, take on a war dog or somebody like that perception is reality. So whether or not you succeed or fail. If you're seeing as trying to do the big thing, you're gonna gain some respect. I mean, if you look at Nick last season, he did not do everything perfectly. But he looked like he was swinging even when it he's missed. I mean, I think the problem is it is the perception is reality. So if if what the jury is seeing is a more subtle person. They might not pick up on the fact that she made some big moves. And I think she did. I mean, her the whole Aubrey move, and Aubrey was went home was an idol in her pocket and aubrey's non a dome player. She's smart. She's perceptive. She's done it twice before. And victoria. I felt like got the credit for getting Aubrey out. So, but I'm not sure that that the jury even saw that like, I'm not even sure that Aubrey sitting at extinction island understanding fully that it was Victoria, like, I don't even know. That's the problem. So yeah, I think she if accordia wants to there are a couple of people, Victoria, Lauren who could win, but it needs to be fireworks this last couple ramp ups. Okay. Do you disagree does for? Yeah. Does she does? She need to have fireworks needs to put on a bit of a show. I think coming down the stretch, I don't know necessarily if this far back. I don't think she can get that far away from herself. But I also feel like that she could be the person that the jury's. Well, what did you do? Right. And it not being enough for her to say why voted the right way every single time survivor is a tricky game because for many reasons because it's sort of like phenomenally you wanna throw the board up. No, it is this thing. And this is what's so funny. Is we talk about or we don't talk about I come in here talking about the hate or the love I receive online. It's like. I'm not saying there aren't general opinions about me or what he did. But it's like it's hard to fully. Have a concrete opinion on. Anything one hundred percent because it is such a gray area in so many cases. I mean, it's at the end there's three people, and there's a jury of people trying to decide who played the best game. And maybe this is me as a bitter angry losing finalist. But I don't believe that you can concrete almost any season. Be like this person played the because it just depends. What did you value? What did you see? It's hard to be like there's a right answer. This isn't a multiple this isn't to push to his four. This is what's your opinion on what constitutes good game play? And then did you see it from these people you think that this season with a jury of people that are living on the edge extinction? Yeah. We'll be better able to answer these questions, or do you think that the pond Orosa system is a better way for the jurors to be absorbing all this information? Well, the Dow. Downside. I mean, listen, and this is all that's a backhanded BRAC. I've never been candid what a backhanded brag O'Brien abroad thing either. I've never been on a jury humble brag a humble brag. I've never been on a jury. I've never sat at Ponderosa and felt with that's life. But I did feel like by the time we got to final tribal because my season was filled with people who liked each other. When they got to Ponderosa, a one group mind started to form so that people's opinions in the game, not just lies. They would say their actual opinions and viewpoints had morphed into one giant amorphous viewpoint and that happened because people had lost and they knew officially they lost. They breathed it out. They drank together they ate together. And they formed a group opinion. That's not really happening on extinction. People are still playing people are still hungry. They're still crazy. So they're not sort of coming together in that same way. So in that way. Yes. But in we're wonder if. Gal season where we get, you know, people voting for you know, all three people all over the place me. I mean, obviously there are lots of seasons of ponder. So where people vote for all three. But I think those casts are a little more split, personality wise. Maybe I just think I mean, there are also this jury is going to be pooped. You don't even know. Okay. You're confused. I'm always fused. What are you saying that my impressions are lame? Who is this impression? Ream, your you're feeling selling my impression do a one more time. All we know it's over now, you don't get it anymore. I mean, also like these these poetry members some poor ream. I mean. I mean, not poor Raymond the fact that in a normal season she'd be a first, but we never thought of again. And now, she's the Queen of the extinction island, but poor Raymond the fact that your body, and your mind just goes through so much when you start for them any days, and Lord, I wasn't. They're all there to begin with on day one how I should fashion. Let me give you a question from your friend, my friend Angelina Cardona Keeley. She's great. When I when we were hanging out at Dave's from here. She kept coming up tweeting going. We both lost at the end. Yes. It was very funny Dave's premiere party Angelina will be my guest on Wednesday night. Oh, and Stephen fishbach is going to be having some minor surgery. I who am I to say it's my but he's he's having Dr firms. Not a big deal that he's going to having a shoulder surgery on Tuesday this week. So also covering Stephen fishbach, people blocks tech check it out so Angelina we'll be on until we filling in for Stephen fishbach this Wednesday night on the nodal. She just kept calling us third place. Loser girls. It was a very funny. She listen, I'm like third place. Loser guy. In a different scenario different scenario. Right. I didn't hear this fallen angel. Holidays on angel right there. Third-place loser guy. Yeah. We all drank and how to maritime just fun fun girl. Yes. And Angela question. Sorry. When the Hannah predicts will be the next time someone will have a chance to reenter from the edge of extinction. Who does she think we'll get back into the game? And what does she think that their prospects are of winning? I love you Queen. I love Angelina to. Yes, I think Angeline is great. Yes. I was holding this out this five up because I think someone's coming back at five five for the, you know, it's the redemption island time. So I would assume into similar thing. I predict that we are going to get down to the final five. I believe just looking at the calendar. We have the way that the season I think is going to be squared away. So we have three more regular weeks. And then the finale, and so I think that the, you know, eight oh. Five in finale night on may fifteenth. We are watching the edge of extinction challenge where somebody's going back. So that would mean on the twenty fourth this Wednesday. We'll get down to seven then on may first we'll get down to six and then on may eighth at the end of that episode. We'll get down to five which is very exciting that we'll get the have a the pacing in this season where we will get to have a final six episode, which I feel like the historically the final six has been one of the most interesting votes of the entire season. And that has been the first part of the finale in most of the seasons. Yeah. In the thirties. And so that is going to be fun to watch on may eighth. But then we will go from the finale is going to be nuts where we got the edge of extinction challenge where that person's gonna come back. Now, we're gonna have a final travel council. Very pretty yes. Gussied up. Then the jury gets to go to Ponderosa, and then we'll have the final four fire making challenge. Then we will have the final three question. Join a five minute reunion. Do we have? I love my favorite part of overseas. In are these Ponderosa videos that we don't get this? Do we get an entire jury going to punt road? So one giant onerous the big Ponderosa video. Yeah. Did they do everyone? Slow MO my favorite part was Libya's Ponderosa video where they had her slow MO in the shower liberties on gross video on Libby from what season was that the ghost island goes island. They had her crying naked slow MO a shower. Yes. I I get her confused with Jessica from last season. Just got just got married. Okay. Oh, congratulations to Jessica just just a picot Mary is that her last name now. I don't I don't know what it was before Jessica's. Married, and she had all the healers there with her. Oh, no. That's just a Johnson. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Just oh shit around season. David versus Goliath, Jessica Pete. She was early on. Right. She was the young the young lady, anyways, we're talking with the lip Stor the lip Stor. Yes. So the first part of the question if you like we answered we think it's going to be five to six and the second part was who do I think we'll come back. I think we have some options here. I think that the only person that could come back and win is David right? Because I just don't know that I see the storytelling being there to support any other winner from extent. And I don't mean that any of them are not brilliant and could win if they got to the end, I just I think that survivor this isn't me obsessing about the edit, but I do think survivor storytellers, the people work on the show are really good about giving the winner a full story in some regard. Other than maybe like wrong. And I think it would I feel like this season that has been so sporadic we wanna know how the winner got from point a to point b two point see. And so I feel like the person from extinction that most supports a full story. Arc would be David. I feel like. Yeah. And I'm just rooting for Dave. So I think if Dave comes back he might have a chance at taken it who'd Rick Devon's get voted out and come back for a third time in the season. Ooh. Wait a second. Yes. Someone could get voted out currently in pop back in you're so right. That could absolutely happen. I can't remember if it came up on the podcast with Alli Lascher and Jordan or came up in the drink spoke Friday yesterday, but somebody planted that in my head about what Rick Devon's coming back twice twice in one season. Getting a third shot up. Anybody currently in the game. There are people that could pop in and out, and Rick would be a very exciting story. I also think it was interesting that we saw David being like, I'm giving this terrific for future favors. That minded makes me believe we see something I think there are also people that are currently on extinction. I think you know, our break Kelly who could pop in. I think an Eric if he did get back in it would be more of an obstacle for whoever one. Just because I don't think we got enough from them. How it's does really interesting Rick popping off and on extinction. King of extinction. Do you think anyone? I mean, I just don't Keith in Wendy. You're ponderosa. They can they're the only two under us. Do you think they took them on a trip or do they come under Rossetto of their discipline? Derosa? Drinkin- maybe Keith's nineteen. So he's not drilling. Try doing Ponderosa dry for a lot of days. Yeah. And not getting to be on the jury and like popping in and out. Yes. Yes. Krizner's? Yes. Maybe Wendy and Keith had a love story in Ponderosa. I think when he has a boyfriend. Oh, I'm so sorry, never mind. Otherwise, I was a full. Concept. Thing too. I mean, come on come on God, my my favorite part about kief was when he run he scurries off to try to find a clue, and then everyone's like, oh, man, he left, and then he goes God gives this to me and then Chris called him. And then Chris God did not want. But then he touched the box. There was a lot of drama. I just I know I Keith is the missing element from the edge of extinction because it hasn't been as good without him. No. He was sort of the like it was like a weird comic relief. It was sort of like, everyone he triggered everyone, especially ream just well, he was renamed friend. But then also that he that Chris the antagonized him, and it was like. I should drop kick. You leave keep alone being lame and create a lot of friction. Honestly, it was I sort of felt like sometimes they just production gives extinction. Islanders like the bottles and the map. It's just all feels like please stay alive and alert. And it just like I feel like Keith took it very seriously because some of these I mean, we have to remember to when we talk about to finish Angelenos question. Who's coming back Aubrey has the challenge advantage. That's just something to remember every other advantage that they find on extinction is for someone in the game. Except these challenges manages. You could you see Aubrey coming back? I don't see it. Could you see Erica Chris kung back? I don't care them together because they blend together. I don't see that. Could you see a Rura coming back? Oh interesting leaving incoming potentially. I mean, her whole story seems to be I'm going to give it out. And I saved myself, that's sort of MO. There are a lot of strong females too. But also everyone was like this. This season's built for Joe. But I don't know necessarily that these extinction island the first challenge wasn't necessarily. Like, oh, Joe will be the one to nail. Then. It'd be interesting to see when Joe was really, you know, dominating these challenges after the merge in terms of the Cambodia and the worlds apart. I do think that the survivor challenges have changed a bit in that they are much more of alright stand on this beam, and then hold out this stick, and then whoever can keep this ball on their stick for the longest amount of time is the winner. I think the challenges favors a wide range of skills. I think the biggest. Gill? And the reason why something only reason why I was bad at the challenges. But I think staying calm and just believing you can do it. I think like I mean, I'm not I'm retired. But I do think that like I wouldn't be shocking to me if I could actually do them. Now, I think I was so convinced myself couldn't and I think that's what it is. It's confidence more than like any Joe type skill. Brian Williams wants to know has an animal, including spiders and butterflies wrong. Right that butterfly ever interfered with either of you while doing a survivor challenge. What do you say is is is a spider an animal? He. Confident. No. You. I was not and people are dragging me. People are dragging you. Yeah. We're on Twitter. Like, oh, I'm so stupid. I'm so stupid spider isn't animal when did you? When did you have time to be dragged yesterday? I'm so sorry, am I gonna get dragged for small don't think? So. No, I don't think. So what do you think so far? What would you drag me for what what are the parts podcast so far that I've been horrible? What are the parts? Are you going to be dragged for probably everything? Yeah. Let's answer the question animal or a bug ever interfere with your I know a bug is an animal allegedly. I'm going to say for myself personally, there were other things that interfere. But a bug was not one of them. Yeah. The butterfly thing was really interesting. I was funny of all the people for butterfly to call home. It shows dogs war dog. I've never seen that before where like a huge. Butterfly Lynn uniform we've seen with like a flies on somebody zooming in on the men's crotches when there's a bug. They're I think that's a very popular thing happened to Ken it happened having multiple times if there's any bug on a guy during an individual challenge on his excuse crotch camera. People are like show, the dick and you are against this. I'm your neutral. I'm neutral about it. I think it's funny. Would in was a millennials versus genetics was Ken was getting bitten by ants. Yes. Desire aunt situation. I'm getting totally. But and right now that was a perfect Ken impression. I I was transported to Colorado. I was like I can hear him. I his daughter. Yeah. Mister robot Taryn wants to say Hannah, happy Passover and happy for twenty. Thank you still perform in UCB. Rob. Would you ever watch Hannah perform? I've wrapped up my three year sketch team years. Yeah. I spent three years writing sketches for a mod team. That's what is called uh. So there were six of us writers, and there were six actors, and so I have a full sketch packet from my time writing sketches on UCB. In fact, eh go from our sketch team is now an SNL star. Oh, yeah. I go is on us and L and everyone should go. Check out. She was sketch team. But I've wrapped up doing that. And yet now for the most part I in terms of I host with some friends this diversity jam which is just a fun versity. Jim. It's a fun. Casual improv jam. And yeah, I don't. Yeah. I'm not a full member. I guess anymore of UCB. I mean, I it was sort of like my grad school. I I didn't want to stay there for the rest of my line. And of course, I would go see Hannah perform. Oh, yes. Thank god. Yes. I would think you that. I like seeing improv comedy. I would I would next time. I ever have a show. I will let me let me know especially if it's not during survivor season. I think what was hard about my sketch team was we had a show once a month. But it was the first Wednesday of every month. Oh, not probably not. Not a great day for me. Okay. So let's bring into question from a one of our listeners, and why don't we talk to? Out this question from a grace has a question for Hannah. Hi, Robyn Hannah. This is my first time calling in for years a big fan. And I just wanted to know if you will hand are watching the amazing race this year. And if you are who what you think of the survivor teams that they chose. And if you would have been on the amazing race this year, if you would have been asked who would your partner have been? I'm excited to hear the podcast love you both by it's your first time calling in her name. Grace grace. Thanks for calling in for the first time. I'm of course, watching the amazing race because Brett well, it was a tough night for your millennial friends on Wednesday night. My gen X friends tax. Probably that too. Yes. I for me. It was not a tough night. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Brett head to tone spandex climate inflatable mountain, and then slide back down to they go back up. It was so much fun bread. Was so funny already. I think he's going to be hilarious. I think him and Chris are great duo. And I'm rooting for them. Both. I got an article I I am writing for men's health about the survivor teams currently on the amazing race is coming out hopefully Wednesday. I actually got to interview Bredon Chris allies in Crin, and Rupert and Laura. So let's talk to everybody. They were all really, nice and. I think the amazing race teams definitely have the upper hand just because they've done the show. They know what to do. They know what to look for. And we saw it episode one when Rupert and Laura were sort of digging through a gas station for the clue box. Did you watch? It do you know what I'm talking about horse. So I they were digging around gas station, and it was it's not a hidden immunity idol, it's somewhere in the open. I think amazing race teams might have picked up on that. But yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait to watch brand Chris around the world. Thus. If you did the amazing race who would your partner be first of all I would forget, my passport at home and be the team that lost leg one. My passport was in Boston or or LA or something. Who in my partner be? I think I mean, I think I'd want to refer you're gonna go with Brett also he's cheat on Chris heavens. I wanna Brett to cheat on Chris or Adam. And I were too much like brother and sister. I don't want to yell at me. When I forgot my passport. She'd be right, but he would yell at me. I think I can't believe you for God, your passport. I told you perfect Adam impression. Well, how was spot on things entering? Now, you're pandering, I think Gabby and I would. We would just freak each other out. I'd forget, my passport and Gabby would cry and I would panic and that wouldn't be good. I guess maybe my family, my mom recently skied seven million vertical miles in one ski season. She just broke the record. Seven million vertical miles. Yes, my mom is a tracker of how many vertical miles. She skis. Millions of miles sounds very far. She skis a lot. Is that a factually, correct? Yeah. It is seven million mile. That's like from here to the sun. No, it's she skilled skied seven million vertical miles the ski season. Well, so she's a very athletic woman. So actually, you know, what I might replace Brad with my mom. Are you looking up? If this is possible, I can look at the or thirty eight thousand miles to the moon. No, she listen. I'm gonna say this more and more comedy seven million look. Two million miles to the sun. So that's the part of the way it's not part of the seven million version ninety two the seven million is part of the way to ninety two million. I make choosing my mom and people are gonna look up if it's possible for those skied seventy million vertical miles Mars is thirty three point nine million miles away. So you your mom's skied a quarter of the way to Mars. Yes. This this past season. Yes. Skiing Basseterre, she works on the mountain my mom's skied tomorrow. So I choose my mom and answer. Nobel ogies? I mean, that's I mean that's back and forth to the moon. Like, she we call my mom and make sure. I look I could drag all the time for not being having the right information. So. Maybe I'm wrong on this one. Go confidently just believe what my mom's. Okay. Okay. All right. So then move with seven million feet. That's because that possibly I'm texting my parents in. This might have been seven million mom, did you did you ski seven million for tickle miles. This ski season question, Mark. We will get the answer or we won't. And this will be a dead. End. Sounds like a lot. All right. Let me play another voicemail question for you. And this is from one of our callers, Victoria. Okay this season. No. Hey, girl, the football two more was more satisfying fraternities voted out twice but night for Rupert and Laura sitting liberty. Victoria's a hater. Wow. Wow. That was a very interestingly prese question wasn't more satisfying to see my good friend sense to extinction island or for sweet popular survivor. Couple lost at a gas station. What was better for you? Well, it was better. I'm going to say because Rupert and Laura were not eliminated. I did find it funny that they were searching around a gas station. I did not enjoy watching clever friend, David Wright, voted out. I mean, where are the metaphor is gonna come from now? I guess this had should we go back to the hat. Sure. Okay. Go back to hat. All right for David David. Okay. All right here, we go. All right. All right. Survivor. I like, I'm not thinking just go right into right into it. Jeff survivor is like diet soda. Oh, you think of vote is going to be satisfying? But it doesn't taste as good as you feel it should because it's not soda. It's diet soda. And so you just crave the next blindside? But ultimately it gives you know calories until you're able to get some real food. That might be your best one. Thank you so much those incredible. All right. Let me go. Right here. We go. Jeff. The game right now is a lot like going to the apple store. There's a lot of people here who think they're geniuses and they're not. And everybody's got something. That's broken. And we're all getting screwed. I think that was your best yet. I really enjoyed that one. One more one more. I really liked this hat game. Thank you. Oh, my love bagasse fall. If you didn't know there was a bag. That's love on it. Sounded very weird. All right, go right into it. Jeff Probst survivor. It's like being at a bar mitzvah. So we all start this game as pre puke Bessant kids who has never who have never so much kissed another person. But this is a coming of age story every season. And the question is who at the end will read their Torah portion most beautifully and have the rabbis say you are the sole multiple. Flames. Also, there are flames the candle handles it. You know, I missed a lot of that. Should I should I again? Okay. All right. Oh, okay. All right. Excited already are gay glow. People need to realize that this game right now is a lot like Facebook. Oh, how well first off. None of us have any privacy. Now. Everybody is looking for people that they're trying to block. And in a little bit of time. None of us are going to be in here anymore. We're going to get. Oh, you were right. Have. You have an update I have enough date at a bare update us vertical feet feet seven million vertical feet seven point one Myrtle vertical feet a world record just. No, my mom, nothing to, you know, not brag about my dad continued vertical miles would be skiing around the circumference of the earth. Two hundred eighty one times or fourteen round trips to the moon, essentially, my father is us. Not the first time that has been said to me this week. My mom is still broken a world record. And I would still have her as my amazing race partner. So there you go. Congratulations. Tell us what happened next. Curtis wants to know, what is Hannah's brand. David writes, brand, of course, is loyalty. Oh, yes. Of course. My brand is tracking down any internet hater and begging them to love me. And I would say poorly, rob. If someone doesn't like you begging them to love, you is not gonna change it. Yeah. Probably not. You know, I do feel like I care less than I did. Me. Address. Well, I mean, there's there's you have a couple of options. Right. You give feedback about who you are a person when you are let's say on reality television or a five-time podcast or and you can either attempt to change everything about you. And then more people will find the new things bad or you can say the same reason some people like me as why some people don't and you can. Sort of accept yourself for who you are. And I think self acceptance is the way to go I think that there is like a fine line because I think you don't you don't wanna live in a bubble where you get no negative actually because I think there's there's no chance for growth about the negative feedback. And a lot of the other survivors, they're very quick block. I that that's not really the way that I handle my social media. If people are saying stuff, I usually do want to see it. I will you know, read my mentions and see what people are saying about the shows on ready and stuff like that. Because I want to know I want I want that feedback. And I was like that. That's how I get better. What you can't start. And this this something that I read from Seth Godin from long time ago. You know, you're one star reviews and your five star reviews are hard to where it's like a Hannah. You're the best enhance your the worst. There's not a lot that you can take this not really actionable information there. It's everything else in between. I I feel like that was my experience when on the shows like these extreme opinions. I also would say though, we're maybe we see differently is. Yes. I would love the feedback is the wrong word opportunities for growth from people who know me well in love me and have my best interests at heart. I think if I'm reading a message board and see a comment. I'm not sure that that person knows me aren't astounds me. I will say I did learn a lot from just watching you and myself back on the show. I remember getting a lot of hate for the episode in which I argued with Zeke atom, and I watched that argument back and thought why do argue like that? And that is really annoying when I do that. I wish I hadn't learned the lesson on national television. But it if you can be opened if your first defense is in. Oh, that's just the edit or that's not fair the new sort of take a step back, and you go, oh, I see how I can grow. But at the same time, you know, you're not going to be everyone's Cup of tea, and I think it's okay to both grow. But also just accept things about yourself spicy with Saab says bass it was Sabi. How was your? Experience meeting the war dogs, I met. Yes. I met the war dogs. So speaking of people who have on occasion blocked people. You know, as many on Twitter note, there was a journey with me in the wardrobe similar to his journey on survivor where we. Didn't get off on the best footing. I was blocked by the war dogs and made some jokes about it, which he did not appreciate, and we I went to his viewing party is in law school in Los Angeles on blocked when you went to the view important. Yes, I had already been on blocked. Okay. I didn't know what was really putting the best foot forward. The somebody who had recently blocked you. Then you went to go see them in person. Well, I I I apologize through other channels, and, but also, you know, was making jokes because I thought a lot of it was really funny. And he did on block me. And then I was reached out to by a different person and told war dogs would like would like you to know. You're welcome at is viewed murder. There was an intermediary who will remain unnamed and Soleman views wore summoned me. And I thought it was really nice of him after our you know, because I was offended by what he did. He was offended by how I reacted. So there was mutual. You know, I thought it was a big it was a high road to invite me. And I was just so curious and I brought him sour gummy. Or I brought him Gumy's a fish, and he was absolutely lovely in welcoming fish. Because gummy fish are kind of like survivor there chewy, they're tasty. And when you're done you realize you'd rather have some real sushi. Yes. So he was he is just as mind game dynamic as you see on the show. I really believe that we're dogs on the island is like his best environment. Like, I think he's a big personality who loves chatting and doing that. And I can see why he thrived in Fiji. I had a great time. And I'm thankful he invited me. And I hope to see him were dogs again it any finale events there are all right Hannah. What else do we need to talk about? I talked about all of those. How long have we gone? I'm so curious what is a shade under two hours? This is short for us shorter. Aren't we usually at like two and a half? I guess so but. The quality. How now the people are going to be like oh Hannah's on again. They're going be like this five minute podcast. Flew by. Well, I've been writing for men's health. Oh, yes. No. How did this open though? So you tell me about how this came to be that you write for men's health, which you know, the Hannes Shapiro. I think of you know. Vince, fitness magazines. I would like to show right now. Look, I have been working out. People are like there's nothing there. No, I've been where I feel very strong. I've been doing hit classes, and yoga, and boxing and cardio and cycling. I mean, I feel like I'm in very good shape. But that is not how I got the job of mental or you going to be appearing on a survivor season. So I'm very retired. At the moment. I'm like the person eating applesauce and judging the youth in the back of the retirement home. So, but I raised for mental. Author bio on men's health. So you wrote an article what the bachelor can teach you about the worst things to say on a first date, let's chill on the virginity talk everyone. So you're saying that if a lady is on a date with a guy that she should not ask him. If he's a virgin, I'm gonna put this in a little bit of context, I was talking about the bachelor season with Colton Underwood in which the word virginity was mentioned probably seven million vertical miles. They they kept calling him a virgin every date. He went on. It was like all about why he's a virgin. And so I think I was trying to say there are more interesting things about this man than the fact that his war dog has never seen David Wright. I did it. I've broken the podcast. Please keep that in stand by that. That's what that was about. I though the articles. I write for David Wright is the oh, God don't bring this down. All right. I was not. There was nothing behind that. Other than me being a lot of the articles. I'm writing for men's health are slightly comedic and weird. And I'm working with a great editor Jordan Taylor. And what should you do that? So if this comes up on the first date how people approach this. I would just say if if you're asking someone intrusive questions about their experience in a bedroom. Maybe let them be the one to bring it up. Could you just throw the subject out there like the word fraternity at them and see if they flinch right or the lake do you mind? If I ask you intrusive questions, and if they say, yes, go for it. Yeah. And doors open open. Okay. All right. Then you have an article who would the game of thrones characters be if they went to the gym. So what happened here, you you? So you you matched up the game of thrones characters with a types of people that you see at the gym yet. You wanna just read one just to give podcasters taste this'll make so weird. No sense out of context. Choose your favorite one. All right. So let's see a lot of fun writing this, by the way, it was a little bit more detailed and more fun than when we tried to match them to players and all we can think of is Victoria saw or egret. So again dri is the only guy who uses that Janki old role. Machine. Because for many seasons of game of thrones. He was just rowing around the seven kingdoms. I think my description of that goes a little farther than that. But basically I paired game of thrones people with Jim stereotypes because it's men's health. Deniro says the show off in hot yoga, if you keep going the joke make sense. Yes. I get it. Yeah. She's the one who can't feel the heat in the hot yoga room because she is a true target carrion. Yes. Okay. And then eight survivor contestants reveal the best behind the scenes moments. You never saw on TV. What's what's this about? So I wrote a couple articles. I the first one I wrote was about gross things that happened near bodies. And this is the second thing which was downtime on survivor. It's basically, I've I've started writing articles that are just collecting stories from former players that gave you a bit of a behind the scenes peek this one was about all the downtime like my favorite memory from survivor is probably right after the Mari vote. We all had a lot of steamed lead off, and we played a dirty charades on the beach. So we we made a big bonfire and had a lot of fun. And those are the kind of moments that don't make the show what we're. Some of the gross moments. Oh, men the stories. I got were really intense Sunday got a bug bite that got infected and ended up having multiple surgeries on her elbow. Andrea ended up in the hospital as well. I'm trying to think, oh, I mean, I just basically I collected stories from people about what happens to your body when you leave the show because it can be very, intense and gross. There was a. Yeah. There were a bunch of hospital visits. I talked to Neil who famously had his meadow medevac, and what that was like being in a Cambodian hospital. Yeah. I basically just collected behind the scenes ashington against are the no men's health had so much survivor coverage. Apparently, these survivors articles have been doing well. And so my art my editor says bring on the survivor. Close. Yeah. Men tells the other kind of articles men's health has her very different than this. There was a hilarious article recently about a penis enlargement surgery. And it was. Who's really fun? Okay. Was it was it pro or against it? Oh, no. It was penis enlargement if a certain kind of exercise could enlarge peanuts, and scientifically it couldn't was the conclusion it was written by a woman, and it was it was quite graphic. I did not write that one though. Right. But you're you you would consider a follow up. I love the sorta articles men men's health rights. I'm having a lot of fun gearing articles towards jimbo's will you we write anything for women's health. I know less about. No. My editors connected to men's health. So I'll probably stick to that for now. Okay. With a hashtag here for your fifth time out in the studio. I mean, I feel like five time or club five timer club. We didn't really say that though today thinking about war dogs. Let me think I feel like I always struggle with the hashtags throw all the motion. I don't put pressure on you. How about? I always this is the one thing I can pull away from it. Let's get away for inlets. Okay. We're getting better. Well, we'll give you after this tonight. Tonight specifically, I working on a friend's project tomorrow. And so I have to read through the script for that. Yeah. That's sounds pretty lame. But I just to work on your friends script. No, my friend asked if I would be in her friends project. So I haven't read with the the is Roger I'm going to read about it in my Email tonight, actually our morning apparently. Apparently that's a perfect Ken impression Europe to say that every time figuring. No it was. Great can impression that was the sound. I don't do impressions any impression. I don't do voice. I my brother's really good at doing like accents. I can't you can't do any impression of any celebrity. This never came up in any improv. I've never been out. How I can't. You can't do any impression come on. I don't know. Who would I be able to impress or impression? I don't know who you could impress. This. Nobody. Never happened before. Weirdly feeling. I wish I had a story. But I don't I there was a time in high school where I did like short form improv gains. There is this game where you had to guess celebrities. And I was really bad at it. I did I have a chocolate bar the Hannah brought me also so creepy look at this kid on it. I got it. Because the kid on the boxers super vacant creepy kid on there. That's good creepy child. Yes. I know. I'm just I've been good and busy and sorry. My Saturday night plans or not exciting. But I feel like. What are your plans? My wife is going to work, and I'm going to be watching my kids. That's drilling. Yeah. No life is how really I could put them to bed. So I could do whatever I want. Ooh. Yeah. What do you do when the I can't ask that? Read men's health articles perfect. Yeah. All right. We need a hashtag doorway don't need one. No. We need a hashtag car. I don't know why every time I have so much fun. And then I get to the hashtag. And I think what did we even talk about? Okay. I should we go back to the hat. Yeah. Let's go back to that. All right here, we go. All right. What do you got? Survivor is like. Brunch brunch. Okay. It's all just like brunch. It's all about the timing. Oh, if you have brunch. Too late. You think why am I eating pancakes? If you have brunch too early. You think I can't get a rapper a drink with this? It doesn't make any sense. But if you hit that perfect eleven AM brunch. You of your pink aches, your eg and your, mama. And you think this feels like a million dollars? I thought that we have to stop on that one. I think the hash tags should be hashtag survivor is like barbers like, okay. Great. Gained. And then people can give us there. So you had hash Rex drivers like, and then you space, so the hashtag links, and then you say what you think reiver's like, I love this hacking. Okay. Good. What we can do. We can do it. Another time. This is been five podcasts in a row. Every season started with game changers. Then h h h ghost island, then millennia versus Goliath? Yes. And then we have this this currencies and of the edge of extinction. And I keep continuing. Yes. Do you think? Certain members of other seasons comes and murders me. No. I don't think. So they will look you've got a lot going for you that you're somebody that I've invited back. You are somebody who isn't like on a high horse about like, oh, am I on the recap and my on the feedback show? You misinterpreted. I am always on high horse. And also, the, you know. To make the trip to come out here. I am. We'll so I am I'm the most willing to be here. So just suck it. This has been a dynasty of Hannah Shapiro on. Thank you for having me so many times. You're still having fun. You still enjoy it? I still I I have fun despite you now, you're winning earn a keen mind for the game. But you also can have fun. There's not that many people that can do both. Thank you. And there's not a lot of the the guests can do. You know, a ten out of ten in one. But there's very few people that can, you know, be that song of fire and ice has gonna say ice and fire is going to say, they're all and there's not many house that could could turn my apologies into brilliance. Okay. All right. This has been fun job. You know, I talked to your northwestern, buddy. Al Lascher on this weekend survivor this week. She was great. I started to listen, everyone should go. Listen tally. Be sure to check that out. Also, we had our live show in Philly. If anybody missed it, I thought that was one of the best live shows we've ever done. You had so many great people. There is a fantastic show on the lives of every node. All's I said that you didn't in Ken. He's he's welcome to come. He's welcome to join us. That's what he wants you to think Ken Ken is definitely listened to all two hours this podcast. And then we still have to go this week of live survey Inge Alina, well, that's live snow would alls with Stephen fish back. We do a live recap and talk. We don't talk about where his minor surgery. Rob is cited theory, minor doctor. What do I know? But like, you know, I think he's going to be out for a week. So. You know, just know it alls and then sorry interesting. Roles live after game of thrones. Then we will have on Monday. I will get into the wiggle room with Josh wig ler. Oh, I know him. Yes. And then I'm gonna talk to mama. See some bonus podcasting. Yeah. Baby. Yeah. Baby. And we'll see what she has to say. Hashtag herself. She branded her if someone asks what's your brand? She would immediately you baby her her brand is. Yeah, baby. I don't know that I could self brand as persistently a she does. Well, she's got she's got a catchphrase. And that's great jazz probes has said that she would be invited to a future Susan at whole thing. Yes. We'll see mama. Soc- game changers to dreams. Come true. Yes. We mean, he has a whole thing. Why he said he said that on a finale he said it on some article remember when Gavin's reference game changers. A game really game changers. Game train. Someone else said we're going to be future healer. We said we're not we're not doing that hash to Gavin how shy game changer. Okay. All right. 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Teresa T-Bird Cooper Recaps Episode 9 of Survivor: Edge of Extinction

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Teresa T-Bird Cooper Recaps Episode 9 of Survivor: Edge of Extinction

"Germany you from my apartment. It's rob has podcasts at now. Here's the guy who has piloted roughly about between three or four thousand podcasts. I am. Rob sister Nino. Hello, everybody. And welcome back to rob has a podcast here to talk about a wild week on survivor. Crazy episode last night with our extended live tribal council. We're going to talk about it all today with the great T bird Cooper, who's going to be on with us here in just a couple of moments last night, broke it all down with Stephen fishbach. I hit tweeted this out earlier on Wednesday night. But it's a night like this that these -vivor know, it alls was really made for and luckily, we have the opportunity to come on right after the episode and talk about all of this craziness with. You and a lot of fun last night as Stephen and I did not exactly see things on the same age. I said last night we kind of things on the same page. But probably the reasons that we got there were still we're not necessarily in sync on that. But you can watch that podcast. If you missed it, then getting very excited man that I'm always on the same page with the great Eric Stein will be my guest on this week's feedback show looking forward to catching up with my rider die, and we are going to hopefully be crushing it. So go ahead. Get your feedback questions in for Eric. That is at a website. Accomplish why smell or three two three two. Eight two are HP can also Email the show survivor at rob is a website dot com for anything you want to say on the podcast, and then cart Clark will be my guest on this weekend survivor, and of course, wiggle room coming up on Monday before. Or we get the t-bird. Let me take a moment. And thank of sponsor, a new sponsor on the podcast. 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What you please take your seat due to unexpected turbulence and travel council ways remain seated until the captain turns off the Fez's belt side LeicesteR this rom t-bird what a bumpy ride. I know what about the rod? But it was it was I gotta be honest with you. I had to watch travel council. I think I watched it like ten or fifteen times. Because like, okay, I gotta talk to rob Turner. I talk to rob tomorrow. Okay. Maybe maybe not that. Well, I watched it quite a few times because I was trying to figure out what is who's on first and who's doing this what's happening here. So it was definitely I love trouble. Absolutely. Also. I've got let you know here. I've got my popcorn. So if it gets crunchy. I've got my popcorn because we've got a habit for this podcast. So all your listeners get your popcorn, and let's have some fun. All right. So why do you have popcorn because this is going to be so much fun? Are you kidding me? Obviously, you forgot the great Joe angle who said last night where if the popcorn. Watching this Algo, where's the popcorn? And I thought to myself good point Joe. So I got me popcorn here. Okay. All right t-bird. So here we are back again to talk about everything from this crazy night. But let's just do the quick catch up with you. I know that you were out at survivor viewing parties in Atlanta has everything going. It was it's great had a great time last week. I have met out with Davey, and Wendell and sharia, and it was wonderful. It's wonderful to meet the fans. Of course. It's great to be with survivor family, always. But to be out there with the fans, I had the right right pleasure of meeting some of your patrons the Browns. I got to meet the Browns. They were awesome. I did a little Instagram video of the grams. You know, they send you more money than they do. Netflix every month. That was so cool. So they were absolute alive. So some people at this point do I play the Mets. That you sent me. This is my one of my wreath. From t-bird. We we have better stuff than Netflix. Does. Well, absolutely. But making your patriots because now because you have done this awhile now when I'm meet people, and they come up and say, you know, I'm a patriot. It's like, okay. Wow. So that's like you're the secret ID card to get in somewhere. Patrons. Just like, okay. For we appreciate it. So all right. So here we are we talking about the edge the edge of extinction and very excited to hear your take. Do you have any updates from the people that follow you on Twitter? What are they thinking? Well, I think everybody this this point all over the place. I've got a friend of mine that actually this is kind of fun. I've got a friend of mine that has had watched survivor back in the early days and just started watching again, so for all the listeners and the and the viewers that just started watching last night. I kinda got Bill sorry for you. Because I can imagine new watching that travel council back in the day. Nobody jumped up and was doing all the talking and the trying to figure things out. So this poor gal. I don't know how she's going to figure out what's going on by jumping in. But again, this might not this might not be the show last night. If you watched it awhile. So so I was wondering how mom was holding up with this episode because you know, she is not always on top of everything going on with strategy. And she she. Says she was she was lily say about the follow along with what was happening. Well, let's just say this extra mom, and my mom exact same way believe it or not. But your mom's coming off a ha- with Joe. And Sierra getting a gauge we've got that for one four. Yes. She's so happy and by the way, congratulations to those beautiful people. Yes. Okay. So big big news in the survivor world this week. Okay. So we had this. So rob, I was just gonna Thais issued referenced your mom. I was going to reference my mom who I watched with last night. So it seemed like, and I don't know the exact timeframe but the same like like twenty twenty five minutes into it. They were going to travel council, and my mama said what she so why are they going to travel councils at double limitation night, and I don't know mob. It must be it must be double the nation. I no rewards. So who knew that the whole last half was going to be alive travel, which was great. So nothing that a lot of people in just house bit and went to wonder in is do you think they actually had a reward challenge and just left out? Footage of Howell council. I really I don't think so at this point because Jeff Probst he does the interview every week with Dalton Ross, and he said that next week is going to be to tribal council. So I think that what happened was this was only one day. I think that this was planned out to be that. This was going to be an episode where there were two people were going to be voted out. I think that this was going to be the first part of a to boot episode, and then this one just spiraled so far out of control that they had to just make this into its own episode. So I think that next week is going to be then we'll have another like one day cycle and the first person will be voted out. And then we'll also then have a second driver council. So to tribal councils coming up in next week's episode, or at least two people are being voted out. I don't know what the mechanism is going to be. Well, that's exciting. I guess Jeff Probst I've never seen. Jeff so quiet at a travel counsel. They just took it and ran with it. So yeah, it was kind of interesting and fun to at the very beginning. I think I remember war dog saying to Julia. As one of the opening final seven is not going to be all of you. Well through words, never spoken dog. So who knows who knows who knows? Julia, mike. I mean, she could easily get back in which is why love edge of extinction. Because who knows what's going to happen here thought, it was interesting that were that in so. Because you don't have to say goodbye to any of your favorites. I love it. You know, what that is? So funny. So I'm already it's so funny that you say that because artists missing windy and Kate. But I what I think about the players that are all in the game, which everybody except winning cake. I just think those two all at the Ponderosa hamburger that just having a great time. I don't think they're upset that they're not still in the game. So I'm happy about that. And then I love Edrich station because I'm not sure who the underdogs are at this point are the returnees underdogs are that. I don't even know the underdogs are, but yes, absolutely loving it. And I wanna make sure since we've got so much to talk about about this live travel that I do not forget to mention my girl. Aubrey nuts. Crazy gonna try not to say love. I'm nuts. Crazy over Aubrey win. When Eric was over there who appears to be. I mean, he's a firefighter. He's a tough tough. Guy. And when it was going through, you know, how how many times I think you said how many times going to have to talk myself out of not pulling that sale. And I'm thinking what? No. And then when he was talking about staying straw, being example for his kids. But then of course, I flash over to Aubrey. You know, as she goes. Nah, I'll stick it out. It's she looks like to me. She looks like she's having more fun that anybody out there either Edrich station or in the game. She's always smiling and happy, and how can you not pull for her because just her attitude and her never say, die attitude? I'm crazy about her bird. You would never raise the masks on the edge of extinction, right? Oh, no way. I thought about this. I thought about what I watched Wendy and Kaethe go out and do it. I'm afraid if I had been out there with them in Saint them going over there, even though I know we're all playing together together. I really think I would have tried my best to talk them out of it. Psychos come on just hanging give it one more day. See how you feel only because what hate for them to regret it lighter? But again, I think win the case are happy happy where they on. So no, I would not absolutely not pull that same or t-bird. Let's talk about this tribal council that you've watched over and over and over again. So. What are your big takeaways after watching this all play out last night? Oh, gosh. Okay. So I don't know if this is the time to mention. My winner. Pick from the very very start has been I'm going to try my best not to say Devon's holding him in Shokhin all this popcorn. I'm not kidding birds. Spit out the popcorn popcorn popcorn might have been a bad idea. Generally. Okay. That was a bad idea. Okay. Now. Right from the. I've got I've got a huge thing of water here. Hi, listen. This is so funny. I had another little run in with popcorn in Africa. You know, we had some popcorn that they gave us that. We could pop over the fire to you know, cracked Mak Tuesday, though, one of the Harlow colonels because we were so hungry. I was listening eight had to come back. I don't know what it was chicken. Or maybe. By austrailia. Popped them in. And then I was just chewing on the heart colonels and broke too. So when I came back I had to get a crown on that tooth. So that's kind of that's my survivor Africa story, I didn't come back with a million dollars came back with a crown. So there's that orchids. So so this is a tear wasn't from Carl's. Dr Karl didn't do it. And unfortunately for Dr Karl he wasn't there to fix it. Because he had already been voted out. Now, if edge of extinction had been in place when I was voted out day thirty six and gone extinction. Allen, Dr Carl would have still been there. I don't think he would have pulled the sale either he could have done something about it. But we did we didn't have that back. Right. So this is a good time to say this my winter pick from the very very very beginning has been Rick Devon's. Now, I'm gonna trauma best not to say Devon's Devon's Jevons like Probst us, but it's going to be hard because he's a friend. I'm gonna call him writ jump in and calling Devon's. On first name basis with Rick. Well, you know, what outwit to the premier had a little premium party hate lives about forty minutes from the farm here in Jackson down in Macon, Georgia choking on the pop. Okay. Get it together. Okay. I'm better now. Eight in the popcorn now. So yes, I'm at Rick his wife. His wife's mother and father and step dad, delight Devon's go. Devon's wife is a door -able their son. He's a very he's Becca. Rick is very very very just you just like him. And you don't feel threatened by him at all. So you know, and you saw the generosity had last night when him and Dave David or trying to figure out about their their their ideal. It was so sweet when I thought when Rick's at I think you need it as far as just even protect themselves. So custody of the kid where to went to Rick last night. And I was so happy about that. So, you know, it's funny from the very beginning. When I first started looking at the bios, and I've told Rick at the. Ramiro set. I got a feeling I know you David start out together. I said, I think you guys are going to be really really work well together. So I hated to see what happened last week. But I feel like they pulled it back together this week, and they're together and they're strong. And I let it Sieber is Rick Devon's your local newscaster or is he in a different part of Georgia. He's in he's in the next couple of counties down. So I'm in the Atlanta market by literally not very much. So, but he is not in the district that I so no, I don't get to watch them on my screen every some sort of a bootleg cable. So you could watch Rick Devon's every day as your newscaster. Bootleg cable. Well, I guess I could I've never thought about that. So that's certainly something. I can think about. Definitely t-bird. But I'll say, so rob. So rob this is kind of important. So last week when Devon's was talking to David right at the at the waterhole, the water will I'm like ONA, Rick. No, no, no. No. No, no. It wasn't Devon's. It was it wasn't David. What was knighted? But it was also wore dog. And I thought when when Rick did that I was a little concerned. Okay. A lot a lot concerned about that. But it's so funny when he was talking today at the same thing, and they were looked like they were fighting over the custody of their kid there at the will this shouldn't happen say this stuff even happens to good people fighting over the kids. So when when this week, I don't think if that had happened if Devon's hadn't been voted out put on edge station comeback in a target again. I don't think we would have seen Devon's doing what he did last night, which oddly. Was a huge huge game changer for Devon excuse me. There. I go props. Got me calling Dan. A huge. I know I know, but I like him. I just feel more respectful to say Rick. Okay, devon's. So I'm this a game changers. Rick. Rick Devon, okay. I think it was a huge game changer for wick because if some people think that if you're voted out, and you go to extinction. You're voted out. You shouldn't win. I don't feel that way. I feel like the game is played from day. One today. Thirty six however, you get there you get there. And if it means you're voted out, you come back in that to me almost gives you more of a resume if you will which people like to talk about that when you get to the very end. So if all this stuff happen to Rick these last few episodes. I don't think he would have done what he did last night that turned the game up side down this going to give him a lot of power at the end when he's talking to the jury. So I still I'm going to go with Rick as my winner choice to win. He was the star of that tribal council last night after he was the one who really turned things on their head last night. And so I just want to start off with talking about somebody who came at a really old school survivor in a way. Do you feel like was this almost unrecognizable to the game that you were a part of all those years ago? Yeah. It's so different as so many ways. I mean, this was different in so many ways that you can get out of the game comeback in. But we didn't have back in season. Three the idols. We didn't have any of that stuff. We didn't even have water to go get fish or to do anything. So because it was an Africa. So for me the game play from from every season Centene has really been three hundred sixty degree turn. So I just think, you know, people people say how would you like to play now with immunity idols, and I would absolutely love it just. Pro. Howdy. Brave words. About my poor husband. God love him. Okay. So yeah, I would love to be able to even in Africa. We were in a foam. So we couldn't even get out to talk about, you know, our strategy or what we're gonna do. But hey, the guy mcginnis come full circle. I guess you don't need to get away from people. You just go to travel council and talk about jump up and down and rob a little bit of concern loved I loved how. I love this onto ninety of how it was last night at tribal council. I love that. But on the flip side of on the flip side of that. Rob I kind of worry about the future of travel councils with people watching it. Because are we going to continue to see this type of behavior from the passengers on these flights because it's a little bit? I think it's a little bit much. I think there's got to be a little something or it's going to change the it's going to change the people strategy. And I I don't know that I want to see it like this. I think is a good question. A fair point to bring up because this is the kind of stuff that we were talking about back when Malcolm God voted out a couple of years ago where this was exciting. But you know, what cost where I one point said maybe doing seatbelts at the tribal council where you sit down you strapped in because I. I'm wondering because last night was a great example of this. We saw no talking at camp. But then all of the strategizing ended up taking place at tribal council, which was fun. But if that turns into the show where people sit around all day, don't say anything to anybody and all of the strategizing happens like in the last two minutes before they actually vote. I'm not sure that that's necessarily good for the show. No. I don't think it is. Although it was so awkward in our -taining in a really awkward way to watch. The I gotta fill same might. They were having their their last meal if you will. And it was it was like did silence and just the expression Kelly Wentworth expressions throughout this whole time. She's been out there have been priceless. And by the way, I love Wentworth to how can you not like her? So I like her a lot of she's she's hanging in and she's filling the stress of this. But she still hanging in there. You're hurt. Kelly wentworth. Lover. Oh gosh there. Yeah. I can't help it. I like our lot a like months. Crazy more or less than like. Oh, no, no. It's love. But I told you I was going to come off the little bit. I love Aubrey. I love went worth. I love these returning players. Joe, david. However that being said the other players to our right up there with them. That's why you know, it's fun to be able to watch all these characters and their character materialize. And bass what extinctions done. For all these people that are voted out so early that have all these magnetic magnetic wonderful personalities like look at Chris poor, Chris I mean, look what he's doing over the edge of extinction. When he pulled the big Stingray out. And it it kind of brought them all back together on the excitement and proceeded to see that I loved it. So there thanksgiving meal was very happy and fun. And then you cut back over to the last meal over here at the at the campsite where they're just sitting there basically looking at each other with a very awkward silence. And you know, Kelly has saying that Aurora sleeping Gavin won't even look at her joyous, given these all these awkward signs it was, but and then of course, Victoria, cleanup patrol with the cleanup here on the pot clean up. All that was fantastic. Especially what a great segue ride into trouble council. Perfect Dalton Ross. Wrote about this today. How great that scene was. But to me, I just feel like that. That was a great encapsulation of what it's like to be out there. Yeah. I think as a former player in rob. You know, you think you'll probably relate to this as well. The stress of this game the emotional stress of this game is terrible. It is absolutely terrible. So when people say how was it to play with no food, no showers. No hygiene products. No toothbrush. DOD, mike. All at that was so secondary all of it no food in we even had to walk for our water. The water was so bad at all of it was secondary. No worst, most difficult part of survivor is the psychological part. It is. And you saw what happened to Julie last night? How she started cracking a little bit under the pressure of of just I don't want to say she's paranoid because. Well, she is we all are paranoid out there as you should be. Because you really don't know you you wanna reach out you wanna trust. But you can't in this. It's very difficult to be pulled away from everything and she referenced being away from her family and wanted to get back, but the psychological part of this game is so difficult, and you can see it, especially you could see it early own with Kelly and with David and with with the people that are on the bottom that people are targeting now, the comet tribe, you know, it's kind of when you think back the first few episodes of the comet trap in Ron and the whole group doing the happy dance. Happy dance they were having had happy happy dance. And now come back to this episode last night, and you see the stress Ron's face because he is under a lot of stress. It look what is do. To Aurora was she sleeping, and I think Aurora sleeping is the stress of the game. I think pony down because Aurora is a very vibrant, vibrant person. Very smart person in do you see the toll? It's taken on hers. So I think if nothing else people that the viewers that have not played or can't imagine what it would be like, the psychological part is absolutely terrible. And even for me and Africa. I was course on the bottom and the way we were treated it's like, I said, it's just psychologically pulls you down in a big big way. Going back to what you're talking about. With the people that were sleeping, the people that were not looking at Kelly Wentworth, I thought that that was such a great job by Kelly to sort of like pick up on all of the cues of what was happening with the people in the tribe, where even though that they were telling her what she wanted to hear that these actions of the other players really spoke louder than words and that as a person who is now played the game three times. You've really got to see the divide of what it means to have played so much versus people that are playing for their first time, especially these people who have only been to a couple of tribal councils. That's right in the comet people. Have it had to be paranoid where Kelly Wentworth has been paranoid since the start of this game. No when she's coming in as a third time player, but I still I mean, that's that's still. That's right. It absolutely is default setting. But also, even though she's she so she so smart as far as like, you said reading the queues and paying attention to everything. And I noticed by the way Aubrey was doing that too. Over on the jury when the jury was cutting up lap kind of laugh at Aubrey was when I watched it back. She was real listen real hard and trying to figure out like, you know, how the social cues from the ones that were still in the game because she's always playing the game and with Kelly even Kelly given Aurora enjoy and Gavin. Second chance travel council when everybody jumped up and started talking about what they were doing Kelly still said, I don't wanna leave y'all is everything the same. So you've gotta hand it to her because she was trying to stick with the loyalty, even though they were after clearly they were after her. So, you know, Kelly really sharp and think that she's been basically a threat every week. She still has her idol. She's not played at nano. Some people may say, well, that's not necessarily a smart thing. Well, she still got the idol. She's still in the game. So it worked out that it has been a smart thing. She's she's she's Kane, and she's smart, even though she's you know, you can tell she's under a lot of stress with the way things are playing out. Oh, another thing toss goes save now about her and Lauren from the very beginning thought, Rick and David what have great relationship. I gotta tell you thought that Kelly and Lauren would not. Be on each other side. I thought they might be so similar that they might not be work that they might not work together. But it looks like from what I see on their Twitter and things that they are saying about each other. They are great friends, and I love to see that Lawrence is strong character to although we didn't see much at all last night. But she's she's quite a contender to and she's they're tough women all the women out there. Tough every one of them to bird. I wanna go back to that tribal council though. I wanna know what did the come people do wrong in your mind last night? I think what the comma people did wrong was they didn't have a really set plan or I think they're so used to be in kinda cocky that they didn't realize that they weren't making everybody else around them feel comfortable unless sue were feeling comfortable, David and Rick aren't feeling comfortable. And then all of a sudden Kili what and feeling comfortable. So there goes Rick the turn it upside down. So I think. Again, I think comma, especially Gavin Julia in Victoria, by the way last week. I thought they did I know this is kind of things people have talked about. I thought they made that move last week to early because things were going so well, and this is before last night happened before last night happened thought they could at least get one or two more votes at least before breaking up before breaking up. So I thought that was especially I mean, they were all sitting so pretty, but once again trying to build a resume, I think that was a little too soon as we've seen now. But then I think again, you know, Joya thinks smart girl, I think are trying to make Kelly feel so comfortable obviously made everybody else Bill uncomfortable. And then for whatever reason, I'm not sure I guess the stretch of the game took over with Gioia, and she started making those comments to to Rick and then that slipped. What she said the war dog and what she said that to war dog. I might soon as she said it, Mike. That's it. That's it. And that's it seems like when everybody pretty much decided to ship because everybody jumped ship except for a Rura Aurora was still being true to that to the numbers there. So so what? Julia do wrong specifically, and if people are throwing Arora's name, should she have been one of the people piling on? Yes. Yes aurora. Thank you. Thank you war dog. Honestly, I really don't know why they were mentioning Arora's name. But who cares? Who cares? If it's like, I kind of feel like when when things are going sideways like this. Maybe you should just be like like we saw Victoria do where she's like in the in the huddle. Like, hey, like, I'm I'm with you guys, Victoria, savvy, seventy seventy player. Yes. She jumped up and went over there. That's what I don't understand. Why roy? Or didn't do something. I wasn't sure why they were targeting her. But then I wasn't sure at all why she wasn't doing anything to say anything enjoying what and say much of anything either. But I think by the the comments that Joya had made to Rick and then to ward off and then to Kelly not making Kelly feel like the plan was the way they had discussed earlier think all that was joyous demise. And then once they pull joy, I guess, you know, Gavin in victorious at high. We gotta go with this. Now, I'm still don't understand why they didn't bring Aurora into that. I guess she was kind of off to the side. I don't know. All I know was all I was from Aurora that she's not Kaine last night own soccer. Moms. Yes. T-bird? Do you consider yourself Asaka? Mom. Oh, gosh. Oh, rob. Well, I guess I guess I'll h that by what I saw her Aurora say that I tweeted to Aurora. Hey, can you know, this might be a bad time to ask? But could we get we get another chance? So I guess that would be a yes, I guess that would be. Yes. Okay. Okay. I guess. Yes. That's a yes. All right. What you consider Rame? Okay. Let's bring Raymond at this. What you consider Ramos chrome? Do the mom, you know, she's. I think she probably. I how can you? How can you not love, Raymond? That's another thing. You know? She's over there at she's not going anywhere. And who would've thought from the very beginning? If we had talked about this and said, you know, Rame her first three days look breath. She had a rough and there she is. She still there kunas Tarim. Yes. Yes. Kudos kudos Tarim. I wanna stay with this with this tribal council and how it all ended up playing out. So when you were watching this over and over again, what what we're some of the things that really caught your attention. Well, I noticed that. I guess I noticed more. What was being said that what what and being said? But as we talk about it, you know, how Victoria got up and kind of jumped in there. Oh, gosh. I noticed how Rick took charge. It turned everything upside down, which again, I think it's going to help him in the very end a note. Okay. Absolutely. I'll tell you what. I noticed more than anything. I noticed. There are more one liners last night that I think I've ever ever heard that were priceless from everybody about that one line. Oh, okay. Here we go. So I'll try to think of a couple of one liners, and you try to remember it. Tell me who set him. Okay. How out that let's say one liner. Somebody said this to Probst one of the players. I was on the wrong side of the blond side. The wrong side of the blind side. I don't know who who who did say that Aurora. Nope. Julie said Mattingly, Julie. Yeah. Julie said at all, right. Here's another. Here's another one liner. This is this is going to be easy. You're such a passenger Rick Julius that said, that's right. All right. Here's another one. Who said this? I'm in the pilot's seat. I'm trying to drive. Rick. Devon said that that's right Rik devastated. Okay. Who said this? How your US for the one line or two? Uh-huh. Who said this? You're spilling the beans. Julius to Aurora -at's. Right. Like with Jordan Taylor. Hi, that's. That's. Are who said this? I've seen the looks. I've seen the look I've seen the looks. I've seen the looks. At Saint with. Julia again. That's right. Julie. Let's just do a couple more. Let's talk more. Who said let's vote Jeff Probst. No, I think that was it Wardag dog. That's right, right. Then how about this after let's vote shut up. That was Julia again. That's right. That's right. All right. Probably about one one more. Oh my God. She lost her damn mind. Oh my God. She lost her damn mind. That comes in the jury. Nope. Who said that? Victoria. Yes. Julie about Julie. You know, I think that that's interesting. Julia ends up being the one who's voted out. And she ends up. Also being the person who was the most like, oh, Rick. You're such a passenger shut up war dog. Rick, your this is a bunch of plans that you're being left out of I wonder if if that type of situation comes up again on survivor, should you be more of the Victoria and be going along with whatever is happening. Then you're also on board because I. Just in terms of of this is my experience as a dad. I know the more I say, hey, I don't want that do not do this do not touch that. Hey, shut up war dog. I don't say. Mike is this sense of like, no, no not that anything. But that hey, no. That's a terrible idea. I feel like people feel like ooh this. I struck a nerve here. Like when teapot had a crack tooth from the popcorn. Well, I think there comes a time. When you've got to save yourself. You got to save yourself. And by the way, you might have understood that very last one liner about God, she lost her her. A man was Victoria, saying that about Julie, not Julia. Okay. Job wasn't sure. Because the Julie and Julia Julia. Julia. Julie Julie jumped up and show a sign. I'm Jeff is ship. I'm Jeff and I'm hitting the bass when Victoria said, but she was over there. Trying to. I understand that not so much from the emotional outburst. But from that, it looked like the come of people were going to vote with Julian Ron so Julie kind of inadvertently blew up the comic six now, maybe this is going to be better path for her to be working with like a bigger group of people. But it looked like the common group was gonna come back together for a vote, and then they ended on blowing up. I thought they weren't gonna come back together. One hundred percent. So yeah, you you were asking about the best position to try to be an and and I guess looking back at Sandra. Sandra's gameplay who's the only course person to win survivor twice. What is saved or site? Just you know, she'll just follow the vote. What's her her? Big her big hash tag line. Which is what she's how she's comedy. Wasn't me. Any body? But me, so you know, I thought about that. Because for me, I'm I'm a loyal person. And I played a loyal game. Now, you know the way it's played. Now the way it's you know, you almost have to go into it. Why Cassandra then tally anybody, but me, so it kind of makes it interesting as far as you know, it's nice to see when you see Lauren and Kelly stay true to each other. David and Rick staying true to each other. It looks like Ron and Julie possibly stay intrude each other because you don't see that in war galled and Kelly and Lawrence day intrude each other. It's a like to see that. I think I think the viewers to see that because you want to feel that these people have some kind of bond and that it's not just to get to the end of the game and win a million dollars at all cost made. So it's nice to say these relationships. That are built and that stay through the game now T bird. There was a lot of talk about which tribe is more dysfunctional. Is it the comet tribe, or is it the less tribe which used to be the minute tribe? And now, they only are called the less Sioux tribe. So t-bird once a month. I'm you were part of a very dysfunctional tribe. Am I correct with that? Yeah. It was real dysfunctional. It was really bad. Situation. Very stressful. Maybe the most dysfunctional tribe. I think survivor had ever seen the Samburu charge. It was it was that. It didn't have the thing about is. It didn't have to be that way. It started out from the very beginning split between the the younger players and the more mature players and it just split in. It shouldn't have happened. It didn't it didn't need to happen. Because at that point when you're working together. This was before the day when the tribes mixed up and all that until ours got mixed up. But you know, the seasons prior you never saw that. So my thinking was always you stay strong strong strong until the merge, then you figure out your next game plan. But certainly don't divide your tribe from the beginning when there's no need for it. But again, that's that power. When when people in his interesting the power when you have a little bit of power, how some people personality totally. Changes from when their own the bottom are have no power. And that's what happened to the young people in Africa. And that may be a little bit of what we saw last night with Joya. I don't maybe more joy than Gavin emit toria just a little bit of power. And you you cannot at all think you've ever got this game wrapped up not day one. And not at the till the till you actually are hearing your name read by probes at the finale because things change every single minute. And I have to reference back to something that Julie said was she was so upset when she was talking to. I think it was David Rick and Ron something that she said that Aubrey had said. She said sometimes the game is let's say the came is is so strategic but the game is played in three day chunks, three hour chunks and three minutes chunks. And that's the mindset you have to have when you go out there, even especially especially now, you have to row with each change that happens. Are you going to be left out? So you know, again, it's really changed a lot since season three up to now it season thirty eight. Tibo talking about the problem with these dysfunctional tribes. And we saw with comma tried to get back together last night, and they were not able to stay on the same page and we've seen less sue talk about getting back on the same page. There was a point where your dysfunctional tribe was going to potentially get back together for a vote and tell me if I have anything wrong, but when it came down to that there was an opportunity similar point in the game. When there was nine people left to maybe go ahead and take a shot at lex after he was getting he was very riled up about who made the vote for him. We know it was you, right? Right now. It was you. Well, right and. Sam borough could've come back together this function try, but what happened grand in didn't want to vote with Frankie Gan, right? Now, I think I think he would have. But what happens is is what shoe create that mistrust or once you create that you're jumping around and this is a perfect analogy. With what Rick Devon's did said his whole name. What Rick did last night? What's you don't have that trust anymore? You can't really get that back, and we'd already already lost trust with Brandon and Brandon had already been in with lex. So I still feel like if I had told anybody at that time what my plan was I would have been gone because Brandon was going to lex and feeding him stuff trying to get in with singer. So what a passenger. So even funny. I didn't even know I always amazed. When people tell people sometimes you just gotta keep things to yourself and mix it up and the same thing with the idols, and I've really been. Impressed with that people holding close to their idols and not telling each other about them because I always was confused the past seasons why anybody would ever let that out of the bag. So I say they're keeping that kind of close to the cuff now. But but again, you saw Rick and now I wouldn't have done. I didn't do what Rick did. And would not have done. What Rick did however that being said it worked out for him beautifully last night because he turned travel council upside down, and even Julie did the same thing showing your emotions when you get a vote. You can see what it happened. What happened to lex because of his how he reacted once? He got that vote. His whole game changed because I think lex was pretty much on target to win. But what's he showed that side of him? I think it brought kind of an awareness. You you kinda can't take this stuff personal. You've got to kind of carry out each day without taking personal and just figure out your next strategy are your next plan of attack take it at two personal. That's really good point. Because Julie has played this game from the front the hallway where she was in the big alliance, a comma, and then they came into the merge, and she was calling the shots and Kelly. And she's like, no, we're not doing Kelly one where its plan we're doing my plan. And we're going ahead and comma where we're doing we're doing great. And then all of a sudden twenty three days in you have the rug pulled out from under you. And now all of a sudden you went from you're at the top for twenty seven days. Now, you're at the bottom. And now, you still have to keep your composure during this time when you're at the Madame to you can't just spin out of control. Yeah. Unfortunately, she did. I think though, like I said the emotional part of the game and Herbie an exhausted and hungry and just everything that takes over when you're out there all that had a part in her just kind of breaking down a little bit from what I looks like I saw from last week. I mean skews me from this week this coming up. She looks like she's gained her composure and she's back. So I don't wanna say that. There's anything wrong with having emotional moments on survivor, but you just need to be able to ride out. The storm is if you want alternately be successful in winning the game. You could let it get the best of you. And right, and I've got a friend of mine. That's just finished tradition. Type to send in and we were talking about. And I think she's I mean, she's a young girl. She looks got a lot going for. But she said, I I know what happened though if. Got a vote. I cried go off at crying. I'm like. Oh, no. You can't do that. You you. You can't show your weakness. Like that. You just have. No, she goes by herself. Then we did talk about that. We did talk about that. So yes. But you just what I do. Again, you have to put it expected you often cry by yourself. We're nobody can see me. Okay. Then that's okay. Too. Okay. Oh, hey, listen. What don't not let me forget. This wasn't a great great moment last night because I've been confused with this from the very beginning. Maybe you can set this, right? For me. I thought that David Kelly would be buddies from the start, and they they never were a never understood that at all. And it was just just absolutely priceless. Last night when Kelly turned around today it and what did she say? He's remember me glaring. Going back and forth on like, what was the plan tonight? Come on tell me. All right. It was we were voting you out like come on Kelly. I know. There were you going to vote me out? Yes. That that little exchange between them was was great. I loved it. And I'd like to see them pulled together. I like them both so much. I'm hoping that they'll pull together we'll see should be a fun stretch run of this to see if these people can go on ever work together. Or if they just keep going after each other the whole game cheaper. I've got a lot of questions for you from the listeners that I wanna get into a lot to get through. But let me take a moment. Thank one of our sponsors here today on the podcasts and t-bird. Those are the people who make the new dating app ship now T bird, do you know, what this is you do the dining? Okay. I do not know exactly what it's about. But go ahead because I've got a little story all about all about this. Because what ship does is that everybody knows about these dating apps rights swipe left swipe, right? You know about that stuff? Right. It is. Yes. Okay. So yes. So I left twice right? Right. So what ship does is allows people who are looking for love to bring in people that they get vice from their confidants who may or may not also be in relationships to join their crew. 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Could you imagine that t-bird? Well, I'm trying to think I'm trying to say, I I'm trying to think of the very first ones that got voted out. And again, I love edge of extinction because the first group of people that got voted out where people from the other tribe that I never got to know our spend much anytime with because fortunately for me I made it way into the game. Unfortunately for them they didn't. So they were gone, and I really had no more contact with them. So I would have gotten to know the other tribe. Definitely. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Would you go through an adventure? Like this with eighteen other people again, it would be nice to get to know him. Now, did I wanna get to normal Edrich think shin like that? No at rather get to know him during the game. But if it didn't work out that way in that lace, you get to spend more time and have and have a shot at getting back in the game. Then bid fantastic jebron. Did did you ever get to know the first boot from your season? The first boot from my season as lady Di she would call her lay diet is Diane. But we call her lady. So I didn't spend any time with her actually remember seeing her at the the interview process, and I remember looking at her. There was no conversation. There was nothing because there was a lot of other people there. I remember when I saw on like, oh, dear Lord. She is gonna she's going to hurt me has. She just looked like she was just really a tough woman lady. Which of course, she is. But I did get to know her once the season was over. She's she's a wonderful wonderful lady. So that was a that was a good question. Jennifer. Thank you for that. T-bird? We know that you are working on some big things behind the scenes at rob is a podcast. Are you ready for some Tuesday with t-bird action? I can't wait. Are you ready for some timber Tuesday action? That's the question. All right. Let's let's get an answer to the questions. Affirmative. Okay. I am ready. Okay. Right. Okay. To cheaper. Thursday, technically. Okay. How is this? Diane. Ores? I like this as I like to say is this lady. All right, Diane. How this is. Rob sister Nino, and I have the great t-bird Cooper here with us. And we wanted to reach out and say hi to you today. I yeah. Now, I'm good. I'm good. Doc, taking your time with us. Thanks for take it. Thanks for taking your time to talk with us today because I know a lot of people wanna hear from you, especially Lucy's this edge this edge of extinction. So so light, it would it be okay or made just to give a little brief synopsis here. What it be okay? For me to say that you're. All right. Okay. Gruesome granted. So okay. Lady was one of the any characters that played on season three survivor Africa sixteen so that team. Oh, good birdie. Thank you. Help. Thank you. That's why we have you here. Get me Frank did. All right. So the wonderful thing is lady Di we know how hard it was to be cast to get on survivor. Right. We also know we also know that was way we've made the cast. Way different. But we also know when fortunately somebody has to be the first one voted out. It unfortunately for season of Africa. It was you. But if you're if you're tribe had not have gone if you all had not gone to travel council. It would have probably been me on the other side. So I don't know if that makes you feel any better or not. Keys now, you would you would make it past. I phone. I'm sure so, but the most interesting thing we want to ask about lady Di was are. Are you first are you watching edge of extinction? Yes. Okay. Did you did you watch last night? Yes. Twice twice. Okay. Kiss. Know because. And sane. I wasn't. It wasn't sane and Mike. Why did we do that basking season tree's been awesome? You know? Goes up a good my strength that feed me and give me some water, you know, and not being. But you know, I think I'll put a little bit better that it happened. So so what if you had if when Jeff that out your torch, and you walk down the walkway if you hit seen the signed said, go, right? If you want your your adventure to end or pick up the torch, go lift get on the boat if you wanna resume the adventure and stay on. What would you have done? I would've gone back in the day. I would have done lashed. I would've taken the torch. And of course, we had we had no water. And hopefully, no line was waiting there that I would. Well, real, you know. Gone either take an torch, and I would have stayed do you think you would have stayed the whole time the whole time even the first three days by yourself like Rame did? Yeah. Yeah. Because I was pretty pretty cocky back. Then, you know. I mean when I was younger, and I'm like, you know, what good? I'm away from everybody. And I can collect my thoughts. And and and you know, just reevaluate that's probably what I would've done. And you know, that would have been okay with me to be by myself just to kind of gather my bearings. Again, improv isn't that interesting? An interesting spin that lady puts on it that you could leave the just to get away in recruitment or I mean, that's a really yeah. That's a really good point. So lady, do you see similarities, you know? You're a mom you have you have two children, son and daughter and two you see similarities between you and. Name that was the first one sent to extinction. Yes. Yes. I do. And and I actually liked I liked her. You know, and that you know, when she picked that up, and she March that land like that have been that way. And you know, I mean, it's it's, you know, since I spent most of my time, you know, with my kids, you know, raising without a significant other so to speak. You know, I'm very independent, and I'm very aggressive, and I think those are good qualities and sometimes they don't come off. Hey, that, you know, you know, people, you know, think people should you know, it's, but it's like that's just how we are. I don't know anything about bream. You know, what her like, she's married or not or whatever that I know what I like things my way. And usually my way is the correct way that I've found in my life, and right, but then I can see me stepping back, and like, well, maybe I was kind of jackass, you know, sometimes or you know, or at this. But yeah, I think that I would know I know I would have gone to the left at that time that point in time. Now, I don't know that would that be a tough call because to Dame's change so much, you know, and. You still have that adventurous side to you. I feel like for sure you would definitely go left. Oh, I see similarities between you and Rame just as talkin. That's it's really interesting because she has. I think you have people that have would never have gotten to know her if she hadn't been out there. So. I see like I said her she's got that side. That's a little bit rough the way she delivers things, but you can she's got a really big heart. And she's she's determined to stay out there. And you're you're that way. I'm. Well, I've had to be that way. And that's just part of who. I am. I guess so I I can relate Tarim, and and it's just it's just to an inner strength and strong type of and. Yeah, we maybe a little ref around. The is a big deal. You know, it's like people can't and bad. You know, then they just need to you know, of you know, giving. You know? Rama said Senate. But I didn't about my. What are you saying? What do you? What do you think about somebody? That's own this own edge of extinction coming back and winning the game which you pay for that or against that. If you were the game the whole time and somebody came back that had. Okay. So you lie. You like twist. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's grown on me. You know, because they have another one similar to that redemption. Yeah. And and I forget that that person didn't win. Did they did they did the person that came back didn't win the game? So so they what if Reims came back in one the the whole game, son. Hot sun. That'd be that'd be totally cool. I don't know if you know. She had. I mean, she has a chance, you know, she has a chance back in. You know, I I don't know how the other people that are playing the game and not on extinction would feel about that. But you never know. I mean, there's always hope. I highlight. Or you know, I do like, right? I I think she's she's very strong very determined. I like that those qualities, you know, and she's a fighter. So also. Yeah. A college that I like so we have to fight I up women like. I'm not trying to label like women like this. But I've I've, you know, I have fought all the time in you know, in in life, and and I think that's a good quality. And so we're, you know, little, you know. Big deal. You know, get over it. You know, everybody just has to get over. And you know, not always like that. But and I'm sure she's not either would. Yeah. That would be kinda cool. Diane. Let me let me ask you. So if a future season we see characters like yourself or like a rim play. How should they approach the beginning of the game differently? That up. Oh, keep quiet. You know, until you get to know people. And and I get frustrated when I see something, you know, that should be done. And I'm going to just do it. And maybe not ask somebody trying to hold that back that, you know. And I know it's not very nature to do that. But I would probably have spent a little less, you know, quiet and not as you know. I didn't try to get to know people because I like to watch people first. And then I I I mean, I my first impression of people at sound like based might and I'm usually correct. You know, I. I don't know. It's. I gotta say this right now what he's I've known you for how many years nineteen years. I could tell you right now to not have gotten quiet. I said, you not you not have gotten quiets, you Pam, you built your stamina and strength, and you to come out swinging that about you girl one thousand percent if I if I got the Benneton, and it was in a situation like that. I'm sure revenge would drive me. It would be really wait. Stay there mighty no in love. What should they call it? Spite island on an island spite islands that call it spite island. My. I think revenge island letter. Revenge islands with kind of cool because then you could you know, how you know Steph. They're on the island that they they have to do. And he's back there. Yeah. So it's so funny because a lot of times once people play, and they talk about people ask if he played again what you do anything differently. And people say start out saying what you did. Well, I wouldn't do this. But you get out there. And you're just going to be who you are. You can't help it. That's just how how are so it's so this so cute that you said that now you gotta tell us who is your who. Are you pulling to who are you pulling to win this season? Winner pig. Joe Joe, my friend. I love him. Joe's your friend. Yeah. He actually texted me today about my arts 'cause we talk arts. Oh, I knew I see in the survivor Facebook group, all of your art. I didn't know that you enjo- are both as artists have a friendship. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. A lot eight great. I am and. And we'll share each other. You know, they'll send me a picture in picture, and and just sent him the hands a day or two maybe yesterday or the day before. And then he came back and owns gorgeous and much winning. And all this, and yeah, he's a good guy. He's a break night Kim to win. But it's they're playing on the game the person I like that Rick guy. The the glasses. I like him to do, you know, will you be invited to Joe and Sierras wedding. When they announced the day. I don't know. Maybe you know, I back and step ury. Something said come down in February for something forget when it was. And and I didn't go I don't like to fly anymore. I like like the train, you know, taking the train like that mode better. But I you know, I mean, I she didn't like us. That would be great. I'll probably make them. You know, you're gonna fend her. She loves to fly. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Forgot about that. Jerry. Winston. Very miss feet. That's hey. Last night. That was great. So we're pulling for the same person. I'm pulling for Rik as well. He lives about thirty forty five minutes down the road here in where I live in Georgia. Really? Walking Dead, Georgia. Oh my God. Why are you being one dead fan, Dan? Oh god. Yes. Oh, yeah. Olds. My man. My man. Oh, yes. Actually have a t shirt. Wearing a Walking Dead t-shirt right now. Yeah. It's it's okay. To look down. It says I have a Daryl Dixon, and then it's got angel wings on the back. Okay. Yeah. My man. Day. And if people want to check out your art is anywhere online where people can go look at it. I did actually post something on Twitter yesterday. Okay. And it's at. Let's see the at sign or whatever that is Ogden O G D E N, Diane. Okay. So okay. So it's like and Facebook. All right. You know? So check it out there. I'm looking at the hands right now. They're like zebra prints the ass. So beautiful. It's supposed to be like a fingerprint of. That child that died. Oh that people that sponsored me. I mean, kind kinda see it. But my my are kind of tends towards Africa influence, and but on the back the back because that's pretty cool too. But it's kind of the same mind the fingers are all white. So it's you know, it's different. But it's cool. But yeah, I got a lot of people like guess, so. Good. And you know for fundraiser for campus life in. Tuber I believe and. That'll be that'll be cool. I get to that auction price, and I hope it goes high. So they get centered. So okay. So y'all get told you look at lady does Twitter Twitter, you could say the artwork, and like she said, they're gonna be auctioning off in the fall, and it is absolutely beautiful. You'll when you see it you'll know what we're talking about. So. All right, Dan. Thank you so much for coming on and talking with us today. I haven't heard from you forever. Rod. I know. I I I'm gonna last. Muhammad last say all the all those years ago, but I remember, yeah, we had a burger somewhere, and my hair was really short. Right after I played my season. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. The summer after. Yes. Yeah. Back in the day when the fundraisers were they were awesome back then. I mean, they're awesome now to you know, but yeah, that was early days when we didn't know what we're doing. You know? No, no. Ladies light it up to you know, that that help crack me on this. If I get it wrong. Rob do you know that rob Jeff probably said about rob that he's the smartest player to never have one. Did I say it right Rops as far as player who who who never one? But he said that a long time ago. So I think yeah. Always very that. That I, you know, I'd love to hear narrative back, then thank, you know, need to keep keep that guy around not win. You know? Yeah. So rob, you might wanna think about continuing to do some some podcasts and talk to people if you thought about that. I'm thinking about it. I'm going to consider it. There's quite a good work out there. I'm sure. Oh, good. Diane. Thank you so much. This was so nice to get to catch up a little bit. Yes. Yes. And thank you for asking me miss teed. You know, it's. I see guys on my well, our seasons on my wall giant picture. My son's already claimed it after die. Mike, and I had a right out on the tax. Told him. He can't sell it. You know? Yeah. Crazy kids, you know. Well, you guys have day. Thank you. Diane care. Eighty hour of you to darling. Dairy guy t-bird you did it. Hey, rob is Tom, Tom. Okay. Good. That's Tbirds bell. There you go. T-bird that none your kids aren't asking you for any of your memorabilia when you pass, right? Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? Right now. No. They're not good. Absolutely. As a matter of fat. This is so funny. They did even I don't I'm not sure I even watch my season. That's kind of funny. I think they know what happened but other than that. No. No. So let me ask you this question from Jenny autumn. There are pilots and there are passengers. But the flight attendants have a level of control enact as the connectors between the pilots and the passengers who do you think are the full light attendance of this season. I love you t bird. God ginny. Okay. Judy. That is a wonderful wonderful wonderful question. All right. I would say the flight attendants are going to be. Okay. So my first one to say, and I'm looking at my list here. Say Julie so Jennings. Julie now, let me say let me let me clarify. I know Julie got a little upset, and we saw her have a weak moment. But she's gonna come back. But before she had the weak moment. I definitely sue Julie. As a flight attendant at pulling people together because she looks like she's really gotten along with everybody people together. And again until she had that wake moment. Julie Aubrey Aubrey Jeff one thousand million percent flight attendant when they show her over there at the jury you see how she's got all her arms are raptor. She's in the center. She's got everybody wrapped around her. She looks like she's she's kind of pulling that group up and she's energy fruit, operate definitely a flight attendant. Let's see the. I'm going to just say right now. Julie an operator. I hope I hadn't. I'm just look. That's that's what I'm saying. Ryan Patterson wants to know T bird. Did you have any pre-game alliances with Joe or Kelly? Let me let me talk to Ryan right now. How many times do we have to be a over? This. Ryan t-bird did not have pre-game alliances. Okay. Ryan forget, rob what he's talking about right now. So I think I mentioned this. I know I did not talk with Kelly. And Joe at all matter of fact, I've never talked to Kelly Joe ever over ever. No. I've never even second chances. We we were totally kept from talking or. H ever. I've not not voice to voice now, we send each other messages, but I have never face to face voice voice metter like that we second chances together. But we never had a chance to talk at all. So for for second chances. Remember, I said, Monica and pagey. We had kind of reached out to each other. But that I think that was kind of last thing when all this stuff was going crazy. I don't know. I didn't know there was all this stuff going on. But anyway, I think pray alliance things are kind of kind of comical because you can see how the game is turned upside down. As with with David right before second chances. It right. What second chances? Was it wasn't. He up for the VAR. No, not David Wright. He wasn't on the vote for second chances. But I the same thing I've never met, David face-to-face voice voice. But we message private message. A like him a lot David Ryan Kelly work, live, David. Yes. Yes. Yes. About daily nice. No not about March. Just you know from the beginning. Good luck. Poland for I mean, just like messages like that. Nothing anything, you know. And then like I said, I may have mentioned that that Rick Devon's lives down the road. And I have really good feeling about them. But he wouldn't have said anything about anything other than thanks a lot. Thanks for the well wishes. But no, what made you think David Wright, what's happening to you. Do you take a break? Thank you, David Wright was on the second chance thinking of worried about you right now don't make me have to take don't make me have to take this podcast over because I will. All right, then. Horrific. Chris. Okay. No. Can we talk about the extended edge of extinction seen with Erica that felt suspiciously long? Why did we need that in the story? What did you think about that to your bird Christa Christa Christa? Awesome question. I was listening to this. Because you know, I watched the show more than once twice three times. Because I wanted to be ready for rob Kristen for some reason when I saw that a part of me thought, I wonder if he wins only because of that long should not shut quit should I pull the sale. Should I do? I gotta say here for my kids. Kristin one thousand million trillion percent, I thought the same exact thing why are they showing this so long, and then I thought opener if he goes on it comes back in and wins with that be crazy or what Kristen great question and tasks what do you think I thought really, oh, let's like Eric is going to quit. I thought Eric. Was about to raise that mast. That's the point. He didn't. I know. But who was the last person was really going to debate raising the mass and thought about it for a long time, and he did. He ultimately, raise the mast. You wouldn't expect to thing about it is. I'd never expected Eric for it to even be thought not to be thought it would it. It was thought. And then it was more than thought. And they kept going on with the thoughts. I thought was kinda weird. Does it, you know? So that I'm serious. I really thought that I wonder if he goes in wins. Now, of course, I mean, I don't know. That's that's a great question. Why would they stay on that so long may they did say on that a long time? Does you know, he was saying that, you know, he was saying they went from a million went from a million zero talking about how many times, you know, he has to stay away for pulling the sail, and he wants to say how much gritties really got him. And just a no not thought. Okay. Let me give a hack for anybody. Any future players that are going to be on an extinction island season. Okay. This is how you get more. This is called airtime hack for the edge of extinction. What you do is go sit right under the mast and talk about how. Pull the mass today. I'm gonna do it. I think I'm going to do it. I think I'm gonna ask. And then that's how you get like Chris Underwood. You forgot he was on the show for three weeks. I know. Exactly. That's what you do you sit under the mask, and you just keep talking to the mass. It's kinda like it's like it's like it's like a castaway when he's keeps talking to hit keeps talking to Wilson. So we're going to matter of fact, that's probably going to say we're going to say Eric he's going to be talking to the sale. Every week about what should it go back in should he not? And then he's gotta go back in and win. What a story. I don't know. But my winter pick it my winter picking still Devon's Rix, Devon's, okay? He's a bird. Jessica sterling wants to know what's the best move for Julie and Ron moving forward as seems that either way they're on the bottom of an alliance. They're still in the game. It should be. They should be happy about that. But where does this go from here Julian Ron, what do you do? Now. Okay. I think what I would do. Okay. You got drip. And you've got David. I think I would probably gravitate over to Kelly the less sue Kelly, the three less sue Kelly, Lauren and Wardag because you figure their kinda sort on the bottom, but everybody's still going to be trying to go after probably, unfortunately, Kelly and David even though he's kind of outside a lawsuit. And then just kind of hope to win a munity or hope things you can restructure things again because it's got to change up again mean go into so I probably grab onto ward and Lauren bless her heart. I keep worrying about her as far as not getting enough nutrition, and which she passed out during the the immunity challenge, by the way, even as she passed out, even she was laying there on the ground. She looked like a Princess. She is stunning. I could imagine if outta passed out. How that how that would look. But I kept looking thinking. Oh my God. She's she's beautiful. But anyway, Jessica, that's what I would do. I would hop on with the less suit three dog Kelly and Lauren. One hundred percent, we're this is going to go t bird. I think that we're gonna see this big group of people this block that voted to that came together in sort of like this big tribal council with the less sue five end-july, and Ron I think they're going to vote together for a couple of rounds. And I wouldn't be surprised if Gavin and Aurora get knocked out next. Yeah. I think you're right. That would make the most sense. And that's what course hindsight. One hundred percent. We know now, that's what the comet tribe should've done. I should've stayed strong for the next couple of oats. 'cause you know that family visits coming up. We had mentioned that family. Visit here about that me dollars that family. Visit. So. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Think that's what's going to happen. I think you're right about that t-bird question. Jessica, Shannon, James wants to know. Can we talk about the war dog? I've done a complete one eighty on him recently. And I really do think he's one of the top contenders to win ever since hearing. Josh talk about his execution of his pre-game strategy. I'm so impressed by him per we haven't really talked about war dog. Yeah. I was really impressed Shanna. I was really impressed with out last week when he went I mean, never say die. I mean, he went and tried to mix it up and and get things go which he did which he did do. And I know people talk about his in challenges that he's not one hundred percent of the challenges, which is not a bad thing. Ward. All that's a good thing. Because if you come in like Angouleme or one of those or like, Chris to do if he were to get back in and your strong these challenges you're gonna be a target. So the good thing is I know you're good at challenges. You're just toning down beautiful strategy. I love it. Yeah. And you say he's got some and you say how he was head gone to Rick trying to pull Rick into come back in with them. Even though of course, he didn't or didn't want to at the time. You can say those Scottish social skills kicking in. So yeah, I feel the same way. Sean, I think more has has is doing a great job. Would you say that you're nuts? Crazy for war dog. Oh god. Rob. I'm telling you right now. I'm looking at all these players on this cast, and I feel like I've gotten to know him in my living room every Thursday not excuse me Quincy night, and I love. Yes. I love I love I love all these players. Yes. Is there any you have? A little bit less of a of a favoritism for. Oh, gosh. Okay. This is my right now, I'm looking at my list and. No. Because again before returnees are already loved before I loved them because I just did. And now that they're the underdogs, especially love them. And then I'm looking at these other, you know. Fourteen there's eighteen players, right. Fourteen players and. And now that I've got to know them more than I ever have before because they're on extinction island. I'm crazy about them as well. So I mean, how I guess you could always find something not to like about somebody. But why what's the bothering that? I guess when I when I watch them and see I think things that I really liked were exemple. You know, look how Rehm has grown all of us in a thick. She again is a little bit rough around the edges, but she's turned into somebody that think we all can admire and like, so, you know. That's what I love about edge of extinction. How we get to see bird players before the season starts you always tweet about. That now I lay my head down to sleep. And I all day. That there will be no quitters in this season. And this season we've seen Keith. And big Wendy raise the mast to go out of the game. Are they people that are not as much of your favorites as the people who did not raise the mast? Okay. This is how it goes dare survivor gods. Now, I lay me down to sleep. I pray. No quitters this season. We'll make if I should die before I wake please last idols for goodness sake. No. You know what? How can you not like how can you not like windy, and how can you not like key? I mean, how could you not like, for example, let me just tell you. This is nineteen years. Nineteen years old. And Wendy it. Wendy's twenty-five there are kids my kids age what they've done in for them to go out. And do what they did. And they did stay on extinction. For awhile now. Now, granted let me just make this point. I would not pull that sale. No way unless they have to pull me off of there. But with that being said, I can tell you right now, I'm gonna edge extinction. And I'm looking around and I'm seeing Chris I'm looking around. And I'm seeing Joe and I'm thinking to myself. Oh, lordy. I'm not probably pretty much one hundred percent sure not going to be a strong on these challenges and the shot and be getting back in is probably going to be a little bit more challenging for me than it is these others of still not quitting. But you know, I've played before now Keith and win have never played whether or not that makes a difference. I really don't think it does. I think it's just never say die attitude. That I'm going, and I'm not gonna drop out. No matter what. But I don't think you can. I can't that nineteen years old or Wendy twenty-five for how far they've come in. What they did. So no, I don't fault them one thousand do not this is one from lamb you'll Pinto when you played by Africa. Did you ever have that breakdown moment that happened to Julia tribal council, and what advice would you give future players to avoid having that breakdown moment? Hey lambeau. We're friends Twitter. So hi sweetheart. You're asking me a question, and I'm gonna answer it for you. I had a breakdown moment, you know, Africa was a really special season. Because of course, I got to play on. It was also imported because survivor Jeff Probst and the highlight of the aids epidemic in Africa. Around the world and a map brother had passed away of eight back in nineteen eighty nine. So when we did the challenge that lex one, and he got to take all the aid supplies to the children's hospital. While they were showing that shot and the the truck pulled up, and they were showing the supplies tears were pouring whoring down my face. So again, it wasn't for you know, because I knew I was on the bottom. It wasn't because I was hungry or thirsty. Just the emotions of being out there NPS touched by that in no one what my brother had gone through. That was a very very emotional moment for me wasn't included orchard trained, right? I think they did show. Lex won the truck. It was back when lex when the truck, but in the truck all the supplies that we're going to the hospital the hospital with the children. I don't really remember believe it or not I have not gone back to watch my season. I just remember standing in the background. And nobody knew my story the story of about my brother, Steve. And so. It was just a really really emotional moment. Of course, you can see it still is now. So anyway, that's the only time that I remember getting really really emotional. And what would I tell other people if you have to like, rob like we talked about earlier like what you do now rob golfing your own, and you cry do what you need to do. But try to stay where you look like, you're I wanna use the word stable because you want like David Wright did to Julie when they were at the will he was comforting her and he's to two or you could make it which was very endearing moment. Again. Here's David who's been targeted a return player being targeted. And he was given Julie. These uplifting words, so I would say just try your best to keep it together. It when you feel like you're going to have an emotional moment. Kind of go off and just put yourself together come back in two brand will thank you for that question. And thank you for sharing that with us that I'm very sorry to hear that story. I had no idea. And I think it's such an amazing testament that you're such a positive person to have that kind of tragedy in your pass. Well, I think you look things kinda come full circle. You know as a flight attendant been able to fly like lots of places because that's my job but had never been to Africa. And I always wanted to go and to be able to play -vivor in Africa in after the show being able to give so Matt so much back to to eights found different aids foundation's has been God set, and you know, back in the day. I know they still do it. You know, all of our torches and all the survivor paraphernalia was auctioned off. And what at the time was hours all the money that was rice from the auction of all of our torches and everything else went to the Elizabeth Glaser pediatric aids foundation. So again, I believe everything happens for a reason. So for me to be cast on that and be able to give back to the Elizabeth Glaser aids foundation. And the Elizabeth Taylor foundation through the years has been a. Blessing at. It's been it's helped me as far as what I can do for Stevie and keeping Steve's memory alive. So yeah, thank you for than that, Robin Lim. Well, thank you so much weight heart for asking that. T-bird? Lemme ask you this question from John who says these players are placing tremendous priority on strategy and making big moves. It seems like that this is coming at the expense of a strong social game giving your friendly in vibrant personality. Do you think any of these players can win in the absence of strong social game can play like Joe or Aubrey swoop in at the end with better emotional connections to the jurors and grab up the vote at tribal council. Are you seeing anybody playing a great social game t-bird? All right. Aubrey one thousand million Trillium percent again. I've mentioned already in the podcast how she's bonded with that group over there. The jury in if the juries voting and the jury's been in watching all this drama play out that's going to their vote in the people in the jury our own education. They know how rough it is. So if Aubrey were to get back in the game, and I really think her social pull her in. And again, I do reference David Wright of skis. Well, David Wright. I'm Rick Devon's as well. I think Rick has had some powerful emotional moments, but they have made sense for the game play and how he was voted out but backyard, so I think the jury also that have been edge of extinction. If it's not pre that gets back in. I think those votes would go to Rick because they know what Rick spin through to get back out there. And then they've watched him trying to survive. Again through these juries, which is probably a reason why I've got Rick. So how my list, oh, that's right. Not so high. He's number one on my list. Okay. All right t-bird. John Tinkham wants to know can you please bring back worm Wednesday. John. I can't do that. Because what happened? I posted that picture in. I got real personal with this. Because girl said if you ever post anything like that again, I'm going to. Disconnect you what she's going to not just wipe left swats, white, right? She's gonna turn me on she going to block me. And I thought I didn't I thought that worm picture obviously, upset her. I didn't want to do that. I didn't hurt the worm John probably won't snot going to happen because I kind of promised it HAMAs the promises a promise. But what if you're you find out that your true fans want worm Wednesday to come back? Her to appeal to the true t-bird fans, and sort of just weed out the people who are just sort of casual t-bird fans. Rob your so, I guess I try to be diplomat about it. So John, what are probably do is our probably I live on a farm. I love to fish. I use worms because they're worms. Oh, this probably gonna go over. Well, I'd probably have a warm bed. And I was show my worm bed at that. Be my way a worm in for warm Wednesday, a worm you don't know what it work. Matt is. It's full of work. That's what it is. You make a worm bed and you put so much stuff you Google. It tells you how to make a world band. So you've got to do like dark. Yeah. Do it. Do it. Do it. Bit river. So didn't you bet your own worms when you go fishing because when people go fishing mail where they do they run by the bait store, they get some worms but down by the lake on the form. There's ways to have a worm bed, and you just fill it up with all kinds of stuff, and then you have your own worms. So I would probably get by with the have a worm bed for my fans that wanna be know worm Wednesday. Do it. You've never heard of a warm, but you're not from the country. Are you? No, I'm not. Well, warm band. Okay. I'm saying maybe you take a picture of the worm bed. Yes. What I mean? That's kind of how probably throw it in. Morris wants to know T bird who's complaining about you on Twitter now besides the worm girl. Well, her back from her in a while. I hope thanks go. And you don't have any haters on Twitter. Right. Let me thank. Well. I'm a little annoying. Get it. I get it. No. Yeah. No. I and I get it. Imac kids. I know I just I know it. So it is like I know that if somebody my first two two of my friends that I met Josh. Dan that I met because they said I turned it on for thirty seconds. I couldn't hit listen to revoke anymore. Take. I do. I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna know. It's true. But I understand it. So that's why I think it's the same way in the game. And I think it's true with anything all these players when you said of all these eighteen players who do you have something negative say about you could find something negative to say about eighty body anytime anytime or you can choose to go the other way in find that one thing or those two or three or how everything's that. Make you really respect and love and think this person's really cool. And I've always for whatever reason try to do that. So anyway, I think we just lost a few on that one. Didn't we know that people are jumping ahead to this part? Okay. Skip to the sparred. Okay. Then Lawson Campbell know who's living rent-free in bird's. Head anybody. Art say who's this? Mawson wants know is anybody is anybody living rent free in your head. Once you are right Dale because I'm trying to figure out what exactly that means. It means it's so so who's living. I guess I guess that Mays. Who are you thinking about wouldn't that mean who you're thinking about does that time to the does that time the name or? Well, and I'm a mom. So of course, my kid's always live Raham ahead on your house. And yeah. Yeah. And there you have that too. So, but I don't think that's I thinking that's not what he means. So I'm trying to come up with something a little bit better for loss in on that one. Up on it. Okay. This is from pleasant man on Twitter teacher think this season is going to end in event winning or we'll somebody else Wayne, what do you think new player or that wins? If layer or from this is from pleasant, man. Pleasant man pleasant, man. Oh, God pleasant, man. I'm going to have to say, I think it's gonna be a new player. Oh, did I mention I think it might be Rick Devon's Rick? I think it's to be. Yeah. I think it's going to be a new player. A let me think let's say Joe, I don't think Joe. I don't think I don't. I'm not sure Joe's sh- coming out with that. He's very likable. He makes no enemies. Everybody loves Joan. But I don't know that he has the look at how he is an it's just a different personalities compared to Aubrey in of course. And I feel the same way about David Wright in with Kelly Whitworth. You know, even though they're threats. You know, you've gotta have that social game. Also that goes with it. I think. I'm still going. Okay. Pleasant man. Oh, Twitter new player new player. Okay. You go. All right. Then what do you think Rob Fisher? Nick said, I'll take their returning players still. Oh, really? I got an extra patient returning. Draft. Richt Evans had a strong night coming back last night. But I feel David and Kelly. You're still out there. So you don't think returnee you don't think operator Joe own stink tion comeback winner. Pickle. Jab to the game. And a good chance. He could win. Okay. And get the vote just because he okay, still happen. But this season is a very hard one to Prague NAS to Kate. Okay. So you're saying Kelly David are still in the game. But Josiah when pick Joe has been my winner pick from the start of the season. Yes. Okay. All right. So I like that you've stayed strong with that one and mine's been beat up a little bit. But still stay with Rick. So it's going to be interesting to see where we go with this game too. No, he's really been beat up. But he got mines months back in back in to get back in yet. Your yours is sitting under the sale looking at it trying to get screen time trance to get back in he'd be back in. Alrighty. He's waiting for the bus on extinction island had any can't. That's right. He hadn't had a chance yet. Now, I can't get near the sale because Erickson under it. Get his green, Tom. Yeah. Blocking nobody can pull it up won't let them. Okay. T-bird? Let me see what else. What did you see any questions on Twitter from the listeners that you want to make sure that we answer? I didn't let's say people, how do you? The amazing race coming up who's your winner pick for the spicy copy? I haven't looked no call. I hadn't looked at about. I tell you who I'm excited about saying is. JJ? Well who? Who tell me? Cry a like Karan? Korean and I can say your face her name, you know, LIZA because they're so crazy good way. So I like them. Rupert. His wife course, saying how people react to Rupert around the world because everybody knows him around the world is going to be interesting. I think Karenin allies are just gonna be playing good entertainment value. What about like right for somebody those guys there? Yeah. I know brenten Chris. Yeah. I'd be pulling for them as well. Yeah. To be pulling for the survivor players. Just feels right? You're just feels like the right thing to do t-bird who would be your amazing race partner from survivor. Okay. So from my season. That's you talking about from survivor Africa. That's a no brainer from anything allies it and Karinna earned from the same season. Well. If I did it from my season, it one hundred thousand million percent have to be legs one hundred percent just because we have such a bond we had the little thing going on when we played together. And he's extremely intelligent, and I have no sense of direction. So, you know, okay. So lexin team. If I had played second chances and had a whole new group to get familiar with it might be different. But you know, but now I'm gonna go be let David Wright. No wasn't no second chances. Okay. I'm sorry. If I'd been what some with this David Wright thing second. I'm gonna have to dig a little deeper bigger. This Rick Devon's. Yes. It be Rick. Well, he wasn't. No secondhand. He doesn't have to be from secretary answers. Okay. Then this. It'd be Rick Devon's or Hello is going to be Davey. Oh, Davie Rickenbacker scummy DIVY Rickenbacker for a hundred percent. Sure. Also. Haney Diana didn't talk about the Walking Dead. Yeah. That's yeah. That would be that. Would Davis tight is your tied with Davie. Well, I've been to Davy came down to Rick's premier. Now is the first time that I met him face to face, and he is talk about likable likable person. And he his you know, how he got his far as he did. And then when I got to see him again last week when we did the when I got to meet all your patrons. If I didn't mention that. So in listen Davies, so the way he is what the fans he so endearing an and takes time with all of them. He's a great great guy. So I'd either at either do it with lex lex what available do it with Davy. An or Rick. Those. All right t-bird anything else. You wanna say on the edge of extinction? The season the island the social media. I guess nutshell because I know a lot of people friend of mine on Twitter was say, she didn't like epic station once they're out they should be out and it's over with. But again, I've enjoyed being able to get to know all the characters they come you come back in and win good for them. So I actually I like it. I don't have are actually don't have anything negative to say about it. Okay. How do you feel? How do you feel about the season? I mean, I think that the season has been underrated. I feel like I hear people are down on it. But I feel like that. We've had some exciting episodes really for the last four or five weeks. Yeah. I think it's coming back guidance staying, but you know, what the problem is is that came off of this last season. And the last season was so good that characters were all Fant tastic every one of them fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. So when you come off that I remember thinking when that one was over like hate to see what how they're going to pull off another stays like, you know, as good as that was. But I think the extinction was a good time to introduce it coming off of that season. Okay. T-bird? Of course, we did a little Tuesdays with t-bird today that you and I are working on talking to more and. More survivor players that bird. Can I talk about the assignment that you gave me? Yes, placed it. Okay. So when we first started talking about Tuesday's with T bird. Where are we going to do we were going back and forth about I was like, all right? Well, who do you know? And then she table who do you want? I said well who do you know, what will who do you want? We went back and forth and so t birds at hey, I want a challenge. And so t bird said write down for me a list of ten people that you want me to track down. I love a challenge t birds like a private investigator. And t-bird is a working working on her list of I gave her a list of names of people that I will I want to talk to a T bird is working on that list. And so as t-bird bird tracks them down we help to bring you more and more Tuesday with t-bird interviews. Yes. Took the list. There's anybody you haven't heard or haven't heard in a long time that are kind of out of the picture. I'm the girl I'm on it. So get us the name get the name to rob get rubble Adam to the list, and we're gonna we're gonna get them. Right. Rob just Diane was was not on my top ten was a top fifteen. She would've been in the top fifteen, but that does not count as a fishery one one name checked off. But we we might be crossing a name soon. Yes. And the lady died it was so great. We just figured lady Di's perfects that she was the very first boot in Africa, how paper to have her view because at the white this season is we thought we had to have her. So it was perfect. So maybe she might be mad because since Ahah, hey, how come that? I wasn't on the show the whole time like ring. Well, she did seem to be I guess after eighteen nineteen she's had time to settle down a little bit. She's she's room. Yeah. She was saying, but I'm telling you, I have a lot of common. We're the more. You're with them the more you get to know you love them because I've got a day because I got a field range the same way, Diane's got Haruko. She'll do anything for anybody. Lots of volunteer stuff with our artwork. And she's a remarkable girl. All right. So t-bird, of course is on Twitter. You can follow. What is it at t-bird Cooper? Hebron. You didn't you didn't talk as much about your followers today. Well, because I know I get carried away with them. You know? You know? Of. Stories about a couple of you kind of said, okay? We gotta move on along here now. So it was so fun. Talk to me about what everybody was saying on Twitter. And I was so confused by I think back fondly. Yes. Yes. But today, I think we've got to we've got to talk about worm beds. I think that's you know. Kind of been a good distraction. Yes. Yes. Okay. And all of the great one liners, I feel you didn't really do a lot of tweeting about the episode last night because you were gonna come on with me. You didn't want to waste everything that you were going to say, no, no, I can't multitask. So I was trying to watch it. No one I had to make sense as much as I can make sense of it. So I was trying to tweet, and I was trying to watch it. But then the last thirty minutes was travel council. I couldn't tweet about that. Because I couldn't figure out. What was happening? I'm like, okay. I don't even know what's happening on have to watch a few times watching it down at my mom's, my mom, and my husband and some other people. So a lot was happening. Okay. Here's a lot happening or I t Birdwell job well done once again. Thanks, rob. And you know, the only. To talk to. I love talking to you. I really enjoy it. A lot of fun when we call up of the survivors. Yes. To that too. All right t-bird anything else you want to tell people to check out. Instagram. I did a little video Instagram right before we were doing are doing our talk. Oh, you I don't Instagram. Yeah. I mean, literally trying to get a picture or video digital video because I was trying to finish my workout in in kind of get energized. So I was trying to think about what happened. And so I did that right with our literally ran in. So is this. Let me see let me look at. Okay. So t-bird t-bird Cooper. Okay. I'm looking at a let me see what this is what this is from. It's just this is this is you on the on the treadmill? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Hold on. Let me see if I can get from the beginning. Okay. Right talk. Have a great day. Or the best way to describe it. I'm getting ready to talk to my friend. Rob sensory about last time. Unpredictable problem council. Join we've got a lot of talk. Now. Have a great. Is looks dangerous. What you how you doing this? It was because I did before that. I was because you've got to hold the phone. And then I learned that you can't hold the phone and you got to hold the button the whole time. So I almost wiped out. To run. And and then I realized rob seriously. I looked at the clock, and it was about ten till when we were supposed to hook. And so then I got. Yeah. It is. So careful careful careful to her. In her own home. Okay. All right t-bird. Well, this was so nice to get to catch up. We have our feedback show coming up with Eric Stein. From big brother and the winter of Stein in summer of cyber take your feedback questions on that show, then degrade per Clark will join us on this weekend survivor, and then we'll do it all again with Josh ler on this week wiggle room before Stephen fish back, and I are going to be live with a cast of thousands in Philadelphia Pennsylvania for our next live event t-bird. I fat sounds like a lot of fun. Give give Josh. And at a big hug for me. I don't know the summer of that the sei's of Eric Stein. But I look forward to him too. Okay. Well, t-bird so nice to get to catch up. I hope that you had fun. Yeah. About the popcorn for any list or that witting popcorn. I hope they're doing. Ok. And and not choked out right now bad suggestion. One time. But so be careful what the popcorn when you're doing a podcast and be careful running on the treadmill and trying to videotape at yourself to things to learn today. I. You know? People get mad at me about my takes about food. But I, you know, I'm anti snacking and eating on podcasts. Also for the most part people don't like it. Honor at. In honor of Joe angle, I had to had to head to have the pop gross just fit just bit. Yes. All right. Of course. Bike so much to the patrons of rob podcast. Even if you don't want to be a patron for more than you pay for net flicks that we still appreciate your support. Over at rob has a website dot com slash patron access to our patron only podcast feed and everything else going on in our rubs podcast patriot community at rob has a website com slash patron t-bird. What else we say? I was gonna say left into co dominant and Anthony, and I love the story. It was. Wasn't Dominic that you had to drive the school the other day when we were trying to talk because he had stayed home. And then all of a sudden they wanna play video guy. You were you were trying to get a hold of me and Dominick woke up first thing in the morning. And he was like I think I'm gonna throw up. I can't go to school today. Okay. Fine. And dad, can we go to trampoline park? Dad? Can I go play video games? Was he he was in school by nine o'clock. That was we sorta through this one real quick. March Dominic ride onto the schoolhouse. Yeah. Listen, this is not ferris Buehler's day off. You're going to school, buddy. I wonder how from. Kohl because I'm thinking my dad. Thank. Deterring? 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Survivor 38 Episode 12 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 12 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Just for our listeners, you can go to common comfort black. Ranking dot com. Use promo code rob at checkout to get fifteen dollars off the displayed price again that's calming comfort Elanca dot com, promo code, rob. And because it can't put a price on a great night's sleep. Go online now at calming comfort blanket dot com. Use promo code, rob. For your special discount today. Josh. Learn. Learn. Lurk. Learn. Oh, yeah. That's a right wiggle room. Episode number twelve here with the great Josh Wigley. Josh how you holding up. I was at a wedding this weekend, and the wiggle room seems on played and I've forgotten that it was from an actual song. And I forgot that it comes at the end of of that the song the one that the that the wiggle room theme is from the name of it. But it came on. And I was like I was like scared on the dance floor is like, they know. I'm here. I suddenly felt like Josh weightless music. I know as nervous as scared. Yeah. I was watching on the Instagram story that you and Emily FOX like you had a great time. Emily, FOX had a really great time. I'll I'll say that rush the dance crying this. You're so happy. Yeah. The loved ones. Visit it really was it was the Star Wars wedding. Was on may the fourth be with you in may the fourth be with Mike and Angelo bloom. The proud new parents of a new young Ling Asher of the patio on. Yes. I didn't exciting times here in the AP community. Okay. Busy Saturday for people. What were you doing on Saturday? Just podcasting. So as a party for everyone podcasting way. So yeah, lots of stuff going on. All right. Of course, Josh wake ler taking some time away from all the work that he's putting in with the final season of game of thrones coverage. So we're happy to have him here. I have no idea his thoughts on the latest week of survivor. So that makes two of us. Yes. Okay. Josh did you have any big picture thoughts for where we stand now as we're down to the final six where it's really become a season of Devon's versus the field. Yeah. So I was able to listen to a little bit of not nearly as much as I would like the podcasts at you are doing with rice this week. I got us are as I forget the loved one that he plans to open a pizza joint with. But. But was Lawrence dead, Joey. Yeah. Yes. So Bryson Joe era. Joey's pizzas a thing. That sounds very exciting. But you guys were talking about sort of comparisons. He had like the shocking take of comparing Rick Devon's. So Wilson, I still don't get that one. I don't I don't really get it either to be perfectly honest, but your comparison of Rick Devon's to Mike Holloway was kind of it was like a little bit of a Kobayashi mug moment for me. We're suddenly felt like the season is starting to fall into place that we are in like some sort of bizarre worlds apart universe where it yields like it was like somehow Devon's asked to run this thing. It just doesn't feel like there's there's a ton of other options on the table that make a lot of narrative sense. But how he's able to do that is a little murky to me. So it's like dream Bergen Holloway ask. But the way that this episode laid out really really had me leaning in that direction as well. So when you when you compare them to Mike that made a made a lot of sense like something finally kind of kind of quick in place for me. What hundred and fifty thousand percent? Yes. Okay. Well, Josh I been inspired by your coverage of game of thrones incredibly thorough and hard working, but I can tell that maybe you're starting to lose it a little bit. And I noticed that when the second week in a row, you filed an interview with yourself about the latest episode of game of thrones. And I would love to give you the opportunity to have another exclusive interview with yourself if you wouldn't mind about the latest episode of survivor, so I have to interview myself about. What happened on survivor this past week, or where your head is at you know, where I I don't want to confine where the interview can go, but I feel like that Josh Wigley interviewing Josh wig ller. I think is a mood. Josh Winkler interviewing Josh wave. There is a mood. The way that tends to work is Monday morning rolls around him running on three hours of sleep. And I need to get a game of thrones article up very quickly. And I just end up. There's there's a lot of people that I'd like to interview, I'm I've got requests out. I don't necessarily have anything lined up right away. But somebody's gotta talk about the show. So I just interviewed myself and the loopy antics of a wig on three hours of sleep tends to produce decent results. So what you have now as we are recording this on a Monday at around six fifteen pm eastern standard time is Josh Wigley past the end of the natural work day still on three hours of sleep and several days almost all week removed from having watched the latest episode of survivor the edge of extinction. So I guess the. First question, I would have for Josh is what happened this past week on survivor edge of extinction. My answer to that would be well if the if the question is specifically about the edge of extinction the physical location. I don't know. I don't think any of us know, unless you're watching the secret scenes because it wasn't even there. It didn't show up. It didn't buy didn't bother to do his job sort of like how you're not showing up for your own podcast all season long with any unique takes whatsoever because seven hundred hours of podcasts have already occurred. And you can't listen to all of them. And you can't spit out your own unique takes and process. Everything that everybody else is saying because you're stuck in west roast. I guess that I would say that the fact that the war dog was not each heard on edge of extinction at all in this episode rules him out completely for me Wardag zero point zero percent chance of winning this game. This man is. Is a man who is not gonna win his way back in with a physical challenge of any capacity in the fact that he is completely unrepresented on the edge of extinction without any kind of sappy edge of extinction story suggests to me that a no shot to win and be potentially. No capacity for a sentimental edge of extinction. Sob story for this, man. So he's out of it for me, man. I need I need you to filibuster for me just a little bit. Rob while I'm trying to think of the next question. Then I'm going to ask myself. Okay. Josh wig ler here. Giving us an exclusive interview with the Hollywood reporter's game of thrones and survivor correspondent, Josh Winkler. If you're joining us late here in the podcast. Yes. Josh wailer. What did you think of Rick Devon's being very stealthy and physically spry enough to climb a tree in the middle of the night? And sneak an. Title away from camp with only a couple of people waking up ever since lightly. Just the gentlest of alertness from I believe that was on their Rura and Gavin could rob verifier those the people who woke up. Yeah. I don't think anybody really woke up. I mean, nobody mild mildly mildly woken up. Well, I think that that was impressive. I think that there's a lot of reasons to feel like maybe the Rick Devon strain little over hyped. This is a man who got voted out already is the guy who has voted incorrectly. Several times. So to to come out and say that this is a legendary player he has rarely voted correctly. Somebody who is just like the strategic mastermind of the season to come out with that take. I think is ridiculous. I don't I I don't think there's any universe in which that is the case. And this is somebody coming from both the interviewer and the interviewee in this case or both big fans of Rick Devon's the human being and enjoy him greatly as a narrator and certainly enjoy him greatly as a tribal council performer. I think that his tribe. Will council performances have been spectacular thus far. And I think an underrated skill of his is apparently activating ninja stealth mode borrowing. Couple of moves from from Wugang. Who was a was a big sign up the hedgehog fan. I believe and I imagine. Woo terrified like the rest of us about this current design of Sinek, the hedgehog. Yeah. With the realistic human teeth in the eyes, and the and the the legs and must be excited to hear that the creators of the upcoming science the hedgehog movie which had an incredible trailer released this past week with 'gangstas paradise by Coolio playing as the what was the connection there? There wasn't one as far as I can tell I think Amish paradise would have been just as valid as the actual straight up gangster's paradise. There's literally no universe in which gangster's paradise and sonic. The hedgehog have anything in common. So I think we would probably be psyched to know that they are going to redesign the sonic movie. That's what the director. I asked my wife about that. She said, well, they're both from the ninety s I guess that I guess that works at this is going to be like a movie that takes place in the nineties should have been set in the nine new. So what I really liked the end of the trailer when James Marsden goes into the lobby of some building that he and sonic need to sneak into and he has sonic locked up in a duffel bag and sonic is making noises inside alphabet and the person next to James Morrison says is that your child and their James versus and says, no, no, well, it's not my child. And so like the joke is that like he has a child in duffel bag, but it's actually just Sinek the hedge on is he just the go-to guy for working with like CGI creations. I think I think so it's hard to know if that's actually James Marsden, or if that is teddy flood the robot from Westworld, I think it's it's not impossible that they have least an animatronic a James Marsden. All right. I think we're. Let's get back. But I got this. I got this. I can come back. So so Josh you're clearly big fan at the sonic, the hedgehog movie trailer, your big and of Rick Devon's ninja standpoint. You also said that you are a fan. You will fan of Rick Devon's is tribal council performances and the answer is. Yes, I do not think that deserves a poop emoji. I think that Rick Devon's is performing rather well at tribal council as evidenced by the fact that people are laughing like lunatics on the jury, and I'm looking specifically at Kelly Wentworth, and here's a hot take. Josh. What's that? Joshua. What's the take take is that the way my laugh during the wand off is received by some people in the RA JP community. That's how I react to hearing Kelly Wentworth laugh, I think that Kelly Wentworth has the single greatest laugh in survivor history. This this is a take that I was reserving or the evolution of strategy volume. Four because I would definitely absolutely I've already forgotten, but you get a huge dose of Wentworth laughter in survivor. Bodey during the whole tuk tuk. The TOTO debacle with Keith nail. And she's just cracking up throughout the entire scene which. Alarming. There's three of us now. But her cracking up is underlying the entire tuk-tuks. And it's very very funny. And I encourage everybody to go back and watch those scenes if you have not already but hearing her laugh from the jury bench while potentially a line too far for jury interactively with the players, especially when the jurors themselves may be future players, at least one of them will be it's just so funny. It's very very funny to see Kelly Wentworth laughing, and if Kelly Wentworth ever goes back to survivor for or th time my advice to the people playing against her is to vote her out very early in the jury phase of the game. So she can be the mayor of Ponderosa and your goal from then sport should be to make Kelly Wentworth laugh a lot because if you become Kelly Wentworth favorite comedian in the game. She is the foreperson of the jury may be inclined to really sell you hard to the rest of the jury and that laugh is infectious and maybe everybody else will laugh as well. Need to take a breath. If you if you've got any thoughts that you can help me out. All right. Just to go back to Rick Devon's and his votes here in the post merge. Joshua. There have been seven votes a post merge. How many times has a Rick Devon's voted for the person who went home? Okay. So he got it wrong on can we do it vote by vote. It'd be more fun. If you just guessed the number, and then we. Oh, man. Okay. So there are seven Rick. Devon's nailed. It nailed it. I think that he voted in correctly at Joe. I think he did he vote right at Eric. I don't know, man. Let's just say three let's say three times got it. Right. Three times. Yeah. I don't know. Bad time with wiser -vivor Weiss Weiss, Rick Devon's has voted for the person who went home at the post merge. Trouble council, but he that in his favor. He is not made a lot of enemies, sending into the Jerry. You know, a lot of people have compared me to Rick Devon's in the recent past pin? Yes, your children, your children believe that Rick Devon's. And I are the same person. I feel like the Rick Devon's of podcasting right now, there's there's people who really liked the wiggle room. There's people who really liked the wand off often there's people who really don't and much like Rick Devon's I feel like somewhere earlier in the season. Like, I got voted out and came back into the podcast, and it's very hit or miss rate. Now, it's a journey. Yeah. Well, we spent so much time talking about Rick. I just feel like that. The the Rick backlash. I do think it's it's unfair. Because that Rick Devon's is not in a post production booth, and is not editing, these episodes. So I I also don't think that I got into a conversation on Twitter about this. Where that I think there's a thing the thinking that oh, the the other characters have great stuff and survivor is in giving it to us because they want us to like, Rick Devon's so much. And I find the mentally disagree with that. I don't think that if the show had great stuff great lines from the other players. I don't think that they I think survivor wants you to root for as many different people as possible. I don't think that they hold back the good stuff from people. So that you to try to make you root for one person. I think I think that this is such a complicated season. Obviously for a large amount of reasons that there is a fundamental format twist in the edge of extinction that to say that it's just like, you know, it's the equivalent of an exile island or redemption island. I think really doesn't do Justice to the weight of how much the edge of extinction changes survivor ream daily remains an active Orse in the season. And she was voted out three days into the season. She was voted out weeks and weeks ago, and she's the breakout character of the season level. On being an active part of the season. I think that between that being out there. There's you know, eighteen people who went out and played in sixteen of them in some capacity remain in the hunt for a million dollars. You have somebody in Rick Devon's who clearly there's a lot of story investment in. So there's a reason for that. Who knows what the reason is for that? Whether he he makes it all the way and wins this thing somehow improbably or he gets really close or he's going to get voted back out. And he's gonna get he's going to win his way back into the game. These are all options on the table. There's so many different masters that need to be served this season of survivor with such a limited amount of time with such a complex high concept idea that people who you like and want to see more of our just by design going to be seen less than maybe they would on a normal season. And maybe they have gold on the floor. Look. I saw gold happen in person when I was out there I witnessed, and it's a Rick Devon's moment eyewitness the moment where the war on the boat at the marooning identifies himself as the war dog and Rick Devon's immediately when asked for his name identify himself. He says awkwardly enough. I am also the war dog is the one of the funniest things I've ever seen in person witnessing any moment of survivor, and I've been lucky to win a few moments. There's gold on the floor. I do believe that. But it's hard to it's hard to blame. Well, it's it's hard to figure out where the blame lies. Could it be on some players just not really bringing it and confessional? I think in several cases, that's absolutely something that you can you can you can you can lay that at the of certain players, especially if they play in a way where they're not going to have massive impact on the overall story. They're just by necessity gonna need to get cut. But there are these other bigger picture ideas as well where the format has been changed. It's not a format change that. I really like. And this is a big reason why because. I think that by having so many different people still in the mix. You would think that means that you really know all of them like it means we'd know all of them a lot less than we would in a season where people are just getting naturally voted out on. So I don't know. I feel like Rick is is clearly he's a great narrator. He's he's he's a television personality by trade that's his job. So he knows how to speak to the camera, and he is currently the avatar of the season with the fact that he has been voted out already and came back in and is now in this underdog position within the context of the game. If not in the context of the story, so he's going to get a lot of heat naturally. And obviously he's catching a lot of heat online. And I will say that because I am so scattered brain with what I'm covering for work right now, I'm not able to pay as much attention to what's going on online right now as I normally do seems like on dodging a few bullets here because it seems fairly. Asti out there survived it. I mean, it's divided yet. But some of the just what I have seen some of the divisiveness seems like really really nasty. So if there's a season of survivor that I am admittedly half baked on and a little bit checked out on. I'm not mad that it's this one to be perfectly candid. Okay. So we saw Ron go home this week. Josh Ron was one of the better defined characters on this season. And I would love to get your take on eulogy presuming. He does not become the person to return from the edge of extinction on the Ron Clark story. Part two. I loved Ron, obviously, I was once again super wrong last week saying that I thought that Ron was actually in a pretty good position. I really enjoyed watching Ron on the season. I think of the people on the edge of extinction. I don't I don't know. I kind of like his shot to get back in both. Because I think that he still has some story left to be told. And I think that he is he's a talented. Challenge performer. He he had said to me in the preseason that he like memorized every single puzzle survivor has ever done. I don't know how true that is or not. But if there's like a major puzzle component to whatever mechanism to get back into the game. Lies ahead. I think especially run being early fresh off of getting voted out with a relatively full belly of food compared to other people's like being energized relatively recently, maybe as a little more fresh than some of the people out on extinction. So I don't know I could I could see us having Ron back in the game in a couple of weeks. He would definitely be on like the upper half of people to come back in. But I loved him. I loved I've loved seeing Ron play especially once he was kind of free from Mike the comma stuff and was able to play a little bit more loose. I definitely I definitely did. Enjoy a more, okay? Of the other five people, and there are still a five other people on this. Season in the active game. Besides Rick Devon's who are you most fascinated with with in terms of which one of these people has the most interesting story to you. Josh most interesting story to me is is hard to say, I I mean, I still really love the idea of Warren doing it for Wentworth being out there and kind of engine her friend, but the fact that she still has that immunity idol, and nobody seems to know about it, and the fact that she is fairly under the radar as far as threat goes makes me excited about like the prospect of how she can play that moment later on down the line, assuming she doesn't get caught. Which is another story point that could potentially be interesting depending on who comes back into the game. If Lauren is still there if that idol remains unplayed Wentworth, let the cat out of the bag that Lauren has an idol when she went over to extinction. She that's one of the first thing she says in that scene when she comes back. So I wonder if that's gonna play. So I think like the idol of it all surrounding Lauren. I'm very excited to see how that goes. If that goes off, that's a great point. And another person who am fascinated with as I said it before that I loved Aurora in the preseason and was very bummed that we weren't seeing her at all in the early stages of the season. And I have been very happy that we've been getting as much Rura as we have been getting in these past several episodes. I still wonder about like why did we not see her early on? Maybe there just was no story to tell there. But she has emerged as sort of the type of player that she kind of said she would be sort of like the I don't care. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I don't need. Any permission from anybody to play the way that I play her like not like doing any shame whatsoever about having gone through Rick's bag. I thought that was great a big gamble. The way that the extra vote was played that paid off that worked out. So I really like Aurora allot. She's one of the people on the show right now. Now that I'm I'm most amused by. I will also say that I really did enjoy the loved ones. Visit this time out. Why even I loved seeing the return of that challenge? The Donald Zain classic is is great. I really I loved Devon's and Becca Devon's as well. Shut up to the great wound off artists coming out and making her survivor debut, and Rick basically, knowing like, yeah, we're probably not gonna win this one. So maybe let's just like go, really, slowly and low key have family. Visit right now, I feel like I feel like that's that's that's probably a good way to play one of these family visits. You don't necessarily want to win. And you know, it'd be nice to get picked. But if you're not going to stand a great chance at getting picked, and if you don't want to win it, and you can kind of just like slow play the challenge, and you can kind of hang out with your left one. Do it that way that seemed like these deal? Yeah. I don't know. And also, obviously a loved ones was great for as much of the Bryce podcast. Yeah. I have a big treat waiting for me when I'm able to finish the rest. I was happy. They did something with the loved ones. And then went back to doing this challenge. But I felt like overall that without Colby fighting with his brother I felt like this was pretty uneventful in terms of what we're doing with the lodge ones. Well, I mean, it's existence is the ward knocks aside like the the existence of this huge sprawling loved ones visit alongside the fact that the edge of existence the edge of extinction rather also exists the edge of existence is what I am on. Currently I'm somewhere between existence and extinction. The fact that these things both exist on the same season. I think is a huge part of the reason why we don't automatically see edge of extinction this week because it's you know, there's just too much like you have to introduce all the all the different loved ones. You have to give everybody a moment you have to have this big challenge play out. And then you've got everything with Rick story about how he's going to, you know, get the idol how he is initially going to get played with the advantage menu. Which itself is going to get laid. And there's just no time for this other massive segment of the story, which is the edge of extinction. That's just not going to be able to be featured at all. So I think I think the edge of extinction. Just again, like, I think it's just it's too big concept. For survivor to be able to deftly execute in forty two minutes. It's not like Rick Devon's climbing up a tree in the middle of the night. It's not that limber. It's not that agile. I think the edge of extinct at the edge of extinction is a little weightier in that. And when you have something that is of that size narrative -ly, it's just it's going to be impossible to really do that Justice alongside speaking of loved ones to do to sister to do the do something sprawling as the loved ones challenge as well. Plus how how complex the game has just become anyway with all the advantages to keep track of and an underdog story having to be told. So there's just a even on a good day. Which clearly this is not for me. Even on a good day. I think that this season of survivors is really really hard to track for so many different reasons. Okay. Josh this week. We are going to get down from six to five presumably with the edge of extinction twist looming in the finale, at least that's how I see. Do you agree with all that we think that someone's going to come back this week? So I think that we are going to they're going to get word that the somebody's gonna come back next time out. And I think that we're going to open the finale same way we opened the merge episode. Yeah. That makes sense to me. It makes sense to me which means like could the winner not even be like inactive play until the finale is that possible. The winner of the finale not be the winner of the season. Is it possible that the winner of the season if that person is out at the edge of extinction right now and just numbers wise. The odds are in that favor. Would we not even see the winner until finale night like in the actual game proper? I suspect then this is my thinking if it's not Rick Devon's who goes out and comes back in. I think whoever goes out in this episode. We'll be the person that comes back in. I don't think that the person that comes back from the edge of extinction is currently on the edge of extinction. Interesting. Okay. Well, I think that's why I think Ron is somebody that I could see coming back from the edge of extinction, especially depending on how this next week ands out. You know, if he goes the way of war dog, and we don't see anything of Ron on the edge of extinction. Maybe I'm I'm not dealing so high on that chance, but if we get like a meaningful scene with Ron out on the edge of extinction than we had more than enough story from from Ron for him to be able to hop right back in without it feeling. To forced you know, what I mean, like he'll still be pretty fresh on the mind. But I do think that whoever else it could possibly be like it's got to be someone who is either relatively recent or somebody who was already a known quantity. Which is. I think a real argument in favour over returning player. Coming back like David has seemingly just like left. Yes. I could seem as David did. He raise sale. I mean, I don't know Dave when he really he really digits like find a cave out there and the rock somewhere, and he's like Tom Hanks like trying to like ice skate a tooth out or something like out with Wilson star DVD shelf. That's he learned that. Listen castaway was was filmed in that area. So I think that he he's hard for me to see Joe has been a little quiet lately as well. But he's just like that challenge favorite. And I feel like we've gotten a lot of really great Aubrey story. So I'm not out on Aubrey it. I still think that Aubrey has a shot here and Wentworth was eliminated recently enough and had a really big edge of extinction storyline a couple of weeks ago that you and I talked about at length that was really really nice and great, and I could see that coming into being more than enough. Plus like, the legendary quality of Kelly as a survivor player being enough that if she were to come back into the finale, you wouldn't blink like, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be thing. And then of course, the Queen rim daily who has been the star of the season. Should she come back that just works itself right out? Okay. All right. John. I agree with you. I think that will leave this week someone gets out voted out. And then the finale will probably open with the person from excision coming back into the game. We are going to head to the wand of anything else. You wanna say about the last week? Of survivor or as we head into the penultimate episode of the season on Wednesday. No, I apologize for being a little punchy and the tired slash wired version of of where I'm really just trying to survive. Here's what's going on. Okay. You're on the edge of extinction the edge of existence, and we appreciate you being here. Of course, some wand off. They're about to be getting played coming up here in a moment. But first, let me thank our sponsor for this edition of the wand off here in the wiggle room mother's day is coming up. It's on Sunday may twelfth. Have you gotten your mom something special? Yet, your mom is understanding about the whole game of thrones thing. Yes, she's been. 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Okay. Here we go. Josh. It's time for some one-off. Oh my God. This is this is what I have been. Yes, I'm deeply this is the errant Starbucks Cup that you've been looking for. I still can't believe that I believe that there is a coffee Cup. I'm game of thrones. All that money money. And you couldn't catch a fricking coming. Are you kidding? They need Stacy's mom on the set of game of thrones. Make sure coffee is getting not supposed to be there. Southern become and in in the Kombi Dorn. Yeah. Okay. I believe HBO officially said that it was it was an herbal tea that venereal areas. Yes. The barista the bold got the order. Okay. All right. Let's get into the wand off for this week. But first we have to look backwards to last week to see who was the big winner of last week's one in third place with the Bryce is Asia in spires one. It was mad from Waterloo with eleven percent of haute. Congratulations to. Met on a third place finish in second place. Alex g comes in with twenty four percent of the vote. And we have a new first time winner of Leo blue one bat tat, which is great because we're very short on the black one-off hats here is extremely yes. Here is the winner of the week number eleven at eleven one off, and it is Robin from Rochester talking about Rick Devon's. Then asking Google just what is the Leche Serie? Why would you yell? She's. As a super fan strategy is what I love. I'm not saying that golf's not agape people watch. But it's not one that I've find fun. Rochester. Congratulations of first time. One-off winter for episode number eleven course, Josh this week is the second to last week that people can win a spot into the coveted final wand off. It's come and tag for the jacket for the jacket. Yes. Everything for the Jack. It just stabbed that one off with a dagger and render the whole competition pointless. It is it is happening. We we're getting very very close to the final one off. And I can't wait to year which you got. Okay. It's gonna be exciting. All right. Very good. Let's bring in the host of the one-off who's had a bumpy ride this season. Hopefully, no problems today with this man the radio. Hall of Famer Casey Kasem him, rob. It's a pleasure to be back here with Josh Wigley on the wand off AC. It's great to see you. How are you? Josh. I've been inspired by your work. Am I Casey Kasem happy to be here? I absolutely am. Casey. Do we have some great one offs to play? Yes. We absolutely do. Where can we hear more about the wand off? Thanks, casey. We hear more on the robbers podcasts. Soundcloud, playlist compile by a great Randy nubile and available to the patrons of rob is a podcast at rob has a website dot com slash patron late Monday night. Definitely think of going insane. Think losing my mind. Josh you're talked about the agile Rick Devon's climbing up a tree, and that was a subject that many of the Wanda of artists were thinking about as well as we get into the episode number twelve one off we're going to kick things off here with Kyrie and Alex talking about what Rick Devon's had to do to get an idol. Yes. He's a news. His bag loves. Tony Kornheiser to he's a fun guy has clip. Freddie shirks in men. While he might be the pill. Now, he's. Two. With his. That was a classic from big, Tom petty. Nice. I thought that there is about to be a lyric about farm guy sixty-nine, and I misheard. Josh next up is big Irene and big. Irene was also talking about where the hidden immunity idol is found this week. Was. Everyone's hoping. I can't believe. Exaggerate. That was a duet from Kenny Rogers Sexton and Dahlie Neely pardon. That's a very unlikely. Humans extremely. Josh more on Rick Devon's and his hidden immunity idol and the two sides of Rick Devon's from Jason Lee. To the to lead to be secret. I'll go get it right now. Yes, I will. Yes. I will. People think maybe that I found the idol. I. Relation right now. I can. But I won't but I won't. All the peop- in consumer baggage. Or some kind of I'll play the menu that give into but it doesn't work because the big jerk. Did you just want to dry nicotinic stupid? So that my kids see this. Eighty. The idol for myself gyms. That was from the hit musical. Annie, get your cow ski gun. Get your cows. Not my Caskey. No, you're Caskey, always yours. Never mind. That was great. This is off to nominal start. Like a lot of. -vivor very good. They'll wand off is very heavily weighted about Rick Devon's. Yes. Next up on not sure why we got this wand off this week. But it's about some of my favorite quotes from the season. Here's Jacob and Liz. Play. All around the edge day bound down to clean rain. Those. Guide. Still camp is actually the king. Thirty three years old speaks throat. I. Bye. I. Kogel? Getting. Played. That was the group Sugar Ray, what was the lyric that was the refrain in the chorus icon EQ vocal fry. Vocal fry. Decide. I don't know why this week we got it. But we played it. It was getting played. It was getting played. I think that's that's probably your your your turn key right now, you wanna get played on the one, you're increasing. Your odds by dropping that you're getting play. Seems to seems to really tickle. Both Robin case. Next up. Here is rub Ekka from Seattle. And she's got a song all about the people on the edge of extinction. We. It's the. We got nowhere. Fill them treadmill. I can't show my friends. I'm attractive yet. When something occurs. Anything? League. Fine. Two. That was from the group chaos Kkesko. This is been a phenomenal honorable mentions. Not like, the wander off isn't always lit. But like any one of these songs it's been delayed so far could easily be a top five in another universe. This is tremendous Josh stuff. It makes my job as Casey Casom so difficult every week. I know I'm sure I I don't mean to set you up for for dragging. Get enough dragons right now at pineapple boy. That's right. But you're all marvelous this has been so or so far truly it's not often that we get a wand off that was collaborated on by a couple that's engaged. But that's exactly how we're going to close out the honorable mentions this week here is a long distance dedication from just east and will a all about the Queen extinction. Handful baby. And now that I'm just like and the kind of guy then no one Yang. On. Started out on the Joe now you with Joni clone I'm gonna MFN Jin with. Remember when they're close act like a mother that does not to get a macabre war dog. You will quickly discovered that you'll never win against them. One. What? Michelle never win a against. I don't have the energy to deal with fake. Gotta be with you about it. I feel about the season. Directly daily is a mood. She's an angel. That was Stocker swift. Man. All right. Josh, let's get ready for the top five songs here in one bats nation. Of course, you can vote all week long at rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda? That's before the tabulated comes in and council vote. And let us know who won the episode number twelve one off. Okay. Let's kick things off with the number one song here in one bats nation. It comes to us from DJ Figueroa macnichol, and it's all about the loved ones. Visit and how Jeff Probst response to it. Okay. Probst seem to know. What does that feel? We'll see Mary you ready. Trigger you at all when she drinks your son. And that he doesn't know where you are. In the form of. Their sister. Dynamic. As a wider. No. They care the dishes like it's blatantly obvious with love is. Siddeley? What is? Crew. Not see. See this not see. Relationship. Take. Armed with your partner. Knowing. That was from the croup Mike had away. Just very fun. When you. When you put it that way. Jeff seems to really does seem to understand the love as about as well as the understands mood, which is to say not well considering that he thought that the plate of nachos from day versus is it was the world's biggest plate of dodgers ever. Spectacular. Very very funny pizza does not assemble that way as a mountain. No. It's only one mountain that I've got my on right? It's coming always known. Josh next up is the number two song here in combat's nation. And it's another duet coming to us from Sarah and Lindell from Australia. God Lindell in the hunt, and it's all about what went on in the shelter in last episode. Thanks. She is. The. That was beautiful and powerful to wet from Saimaa, neca. Ed, Garfunkel, classics classic always has been. Great acoustic rock do next up. Here comes Justin all the way from Washington heights with a question. That's on every survivor fans. Mine this week. There's so Betty. About devon. Like him. Thought you were with. And. Then he made. What? Do like rig. Credit does. I know. Good. It to be secret. I'm gonna get right now. No. That was a beautiful song from Kurt Mitchelson. Brought the frog. Very all frog. The big frog that is one big frog. It's very dull frog next up. We've got one from Lara AD. And she's got a question that's on her mind after Aurora used her advantage this week. She she she. Sarah. Great question from the artist Gavin Whitson Houston. Good plight side, like a key. Good. Because it was stupid that transferable before so they fix your saying. They changed the rule. Yeah. Because they've because they go crap. That was stupid. We ruined season. It ruined. The and we have to change the narrative and CEO. But it was cool. Right. Because that was school that that happened. But it wasn't and it was stupid and fix the rule. Surrey got beat by a bunch of rules. Really one dumb one. I mean, it was the rule. So it counts and good for Troyes pointing it out. But like, no one narc, you know, I. But it was stupid. It was a dumb role fixed the rule. Good on survivor for fixing the rule. That's the way it should be transfer everything. Everything's transferable. Everything is transferable. It's the circle of life. Oh is that a setup? Kuna Matata now, just guessing. Okay. Next up the number five song in while bats nation comes to us from Graham from the day. And he's ready to talk about the family. Visit this week as seven six five four three two one ten nine eight seven six five four. Morning fifth one attended only for mature audiences for the safety protection of all year old around you. With discretion advised. Rob. It was nothing out there. The call the price chill. Spee. He wants the rock to down with spray. Saddens? Aw. No. Hey. No, I listened to the podcast fully understand fully. That was from the weather girls that work on Rick. Devon's news. I mean, I'm having a great time. And that's the top five songs here in one bats nation. Oh, gosh. If you want to vote head on over to rob has a website dot com slash vote Wanda. And if you wanna hear all thirty of the tracks from this week, you can listen to them on our soundcloud playlist at rob has a website dot com slash patron, uploaded by Randy new poll, and of course, check out the music videos later this week from Jason Curtis Rivera. Oh, man. I can't wait. I can't wait for those those are it'd be epic videos. They should be Josh. It's been a pleasure. Hope you're doing better next week where we get to our final regular week of the one off. Thanks, casey. I won't be. I'll be doing worse would be my expectation. Josh until next time. Remember Cape your feet on the ground and keep your hands off. I got it. I got it. Uh-huh. Oh my God. Well that was perfect. Good to be honest with everyone. I thought that that was well good happy happy. You enjoyed it. Just being completely can't thought. It was great. Okay. We got to let you get back to everything going on in west arrose. Yes. No. I'm having a great time. I'm mostly just I'm having a really good time doing doing that stuff. It's just it's just a little a little fried. So you're getting me a little loosey goosey today. But this is a blast a great welcome. Welcome. Welcome break from all things fantasy murder land. Okay. Of course, Josh not going to be back together. Talking about game of thrones on our game. Thrones feedback show coming up this week over on post show. Recaps Stephen fish back and myself, we had the recap on the snow. It alls live if the if you want to hear what Stephen fish back and I had to say about game of thrones episode number four, Josh. Have you done a series regular podcast yet? No, not yet. I'm going to be recording that tomorrow as well. I will I will quickly say a little light on the game of thrones feedback right now. So if you are listening to this you probably have some time to send if you're listening to this. I'm like a Tuesday morning. 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And if I was Tyson I would be concerned that someday my record for longest appearance would be surp-. It could be in jeopardy. It could be in jeopardy. It's really using. I would say like you're the one that's standing in the way of that happening. Well, we'll see that. We still have a news af on Tuesday, so Tyson. Could be a loaded news af on Tuesday, and you might end up pushing the record further out before we get to Christian on Thursday. And then we've got a jam packed weekend as well. So as of right now, Mike bloom is scheduled to new dad. Mike bloom is scheduled to join us on the feedback show this week, and then Shannon gates is going to join us on this week survivor, but based on schedules if Mike can do the shorter podcast. We might switch things around. Shannon gates is ready to jump in on the feedback show. If necessary. Yeah. I mean, it's if so win-win nothing's gonna stand in the way of my bloom on the outcast. Let's just go in as the highest praise. Yes. Okay. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 11 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 11 Recap

"The smartest guys. Good down. Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all. Vada? Angelina. Being game. Yes. That is a right. The survivor know it all are here. But a little bit of a new look tonight. I am rob cicirino here with Angelina Keeley Angelina. How are you? Hello, rob gang. Great happy to be here. A little nervous to fill in for Stephen. But I'm ready. Okay. This is a major upgrade very excited to have you. Of course, seem fish back as recovering from shoulder surgery. He is he is tweeting of venom as we speak. So he seems like that he is absolutely find very excited to be alive with you here tonight. Thank you for joining us, Angelina, my pleasure. Thanks for having me. And hopefully, Stephen is also updating his resume because he's going to be out of a job. Pretty oh. Hey, look from what I understand on these days that you don't wanna have to good of a resume you have a resume. And then they kick you right out of there. So that would that would be. True to form. That is true. That's you're just okay. So Angelina very excited to have you here with us live here on a Wednesday night after episode number eleven back in the studio after our trip to Philadelphia last week, lots of fun in Philly. We all the fans out there. But we have to talk about war dog going home in big swing. He made his big move. It's swung back on him this week. And we'll talk about all that. Of course, we've got so much still coming up here in these big week on the podcast as as per usual. Angelina PG law is going to be here with me in the studio on Thursday. The mayo the mayo jar Nick Myer on have you ever met him? I haven't. Okay. All right. Well, you're in front of. Yes. Nick Meyer, ano-, he will be my guest on Friday for the feedback show in the studio in AJ mass will be our guest on this week and survivor before we get back to Josh in the wiggle room coming up this week. And then after this show tonight, I'm going to be live on fan credit on the fan credit app. Fan cred dot com with the purple pants bed as price is ten fifteen pm eastern time. So jam packed. I said, hi, I'm Dina meet him. I will he is. He is the best. And we had a great time with him in Philly as well. But Angeline, okay. First off before we get to war dogs and everything with him. So how are you doing? I'm doing great. Yeah. Life up survivor has been very peaceful. Good. Yeah. No, Mer Twitter trolls and just getting back to normal working on my nonprofit, my husband just got home last week. So life is great right now. Okay. Happy to hear it. I get trolled by Stephen fish back on Twitter. So. You know, I'm still dealing with it. But happy to hear that everything is going good for you. All right, man. Yes. Okay. He's he's pushing it tonight. All right. So let's talk about what happened here tonight. So war dog ultimately goes home after he took out Kelly Wentworth. So in your mind was this was this the smoking gun that it was too early to take out Kelly Wentworth, or do you think that war dog screwed the pooch here after the in the damage control following Kelly worth going home? Absolutely think it's the latter. I think the move could have been okay if it weren't for his lack of. Gentleness with his cleanup. Yeah. His approach with Gavin his approach with many let me back up and say that I met were dog a few weeks ago. He's awesome, really like the guy insurance. And so don't mean to drag them through the mud, but you know, and we all make mistakes up there. And that's why I love to talk to people that just came off the show because you guys have it. So you one foot in both worlds where that you were most recently that you were the person that was out there and people were talking about what what a great move. What a dumb move. And so and you're also able to have that really fresh perspective of of just doing it. Unlike Stephen, and I who have done it long longer ago. So that go so, but but I think we got it was his approach. It was his clean up afterwards that really shot him in the foot and put the nail in his coffin tonight. Yeah, I agree. I thought that he made a good move last week to get rid of Kelly Wentworth. And now that we saw a little bit more. About it. You know, I think that as a viewer we said, oh, okay. Well, Kelly Lauren Wardag that's a final three. But now, it seems like that we heard from more dog that Gavin was really tight with Kelly. And maybe the Gavin was somebody that was in her final three. And also that it was Julie with somebody else that that war dog said to Julie in the episode. I couldn't believe that. He's like you were closer we kill even I was. So I couldn't tell you about the play. Like what Julie was closer with Kelly than war dog was this is a shock to me. So it did seem like that war dog wasn't maybe in Kelly's final plan. So I understand why he had to make the move, but he had been so good all season long at working with everybody. He was the person that we saw last week. He had all the thirty second conversations that back in the episode where Eric went home where he was the person in Gavin's here. He was the person in Julius here where he was the person who could be making a plan with anybody at any time. And then all of a sudden tonight, it just seemed like that he really was boxed into a corner where. That all the sudden he was like the new David Wright. And the only person that he could count on was Rick Devon's, I agree. And I I think one of his mistakes she was putting the target on Aurora. I think that if he had taken a step back from the game for a minute and said, okay, he recognized. He was the biggest threat after Devon's. Then the third would have been Ron. And so if he was really thinking through it, I think he would've put the target on wron and said, hey, you know, Ron's calling you all puppets. He's calling you goats. I don't play that kind of game or whatever he needed to say to kind of sway the others for him. I think that would have been potentially a better move than just going for quote, unquote, the easy vote and Aurora which again, we can talk about tonight too. But I hate this whole concept of easy vote. I hate the concept of goats, and I also really don't like when people start thinking a we're the only three players agency from everyone will let's we'll we'll talk all of that through. Say with more dog for a couple more moments. And I think that for for him that the thing that I've seen so many times this season. There's been so many big swings in the game. It seems that the same group never votes together twice. And so for war dog I feel like that either. The move had to be for him to either a stick with the people that voted out Kelly Wentworth last week. And then try to come up with another target on that side. Whether it was Gavin or potentially a Lauren and try to keep that group together that he voted with last time or then try to rekindle some of the bonds, and then go after somebody on the other side, but this to me to go after Aurora who was somebody who voted within last week seemed like that there's enough people in the game to go after somebody who worked with you on the previous vote, exactly. And I think especially at this time in the game, you know, his reasons for targeting Aurora were that he felt like she. She I think I think you said she like ran her mouth a bit and was good in challenges. And that her name had come up a lot. And I just don't think that's strong enough reasoning for anyone to get on board that right now. Yeah. Now, I wanted to ask you about Ron Clarke here who was shown in the episode to be somebody who was in the middle who really had to decide which way he wanted to go, and it's hard to tell because there were only two votes that were going against Aurora. So maybe Ron might have wanted to stick with dog. But just Julie said, hey, no way, I'm not doing this. And he didn't have the numbers. But for Ron I don't like the way that things have gone here. Because to me, I don't see any way. How Ron's not the next person that gets voted out of the game. If Devon's is for whatever reason unavailable to get voted out. Yeah. No, I have the I think next week is absolutely either Ron or Evans. Neither of them have idols right now only one of them, obviously can have date. So as long as the producers, don't put another idol or. Title and anyone's bag, I think it's absolutely one of those two that being said, I think Ron made a good move this week in the sense that he did build some trust with the people who felt on the outs from the threats. And so I think that does count for something in terms of gaining their respect and their trust for next week. Right. He was able to distance himself from more dog, even though he was having those flirtations, and he was getting into it with a roar. And ultimately did a good job of not letting her know that that she was really getting under his skin. So that was good. But to go back to Ron from last week. I didn't love that. He went along with the move with war dogs plan to vote out Kelly because I felt like that if you would've gotten rid of Lora he could have kept that extra vote that ends up coming up tonight where he ends up giving it back to her. And then he ends up voting out war dog in this tribal council. But I thought last week that he was gonna have a major problem with. Julie but Jews like the problem. I get it. Ron Julie was an OG like, honestly, I in looking back at this soda, and my geeky notes that I took Julie just jumped out to me this up Assode, and it's having really subtle strong gameplay, the first was her reaction to Ron being so calm, cool and collected when he didn't include her, and that's her rider died and was like, you know, what I'm it's cool. I understand the game. And then the second was when she was in the water with Lauren during the a'munity or the challenge win. And she's like, hey, I don't like that. They're calling all these women out as just someone to take to the end. So Julie to me like why'd awoke, and she is playing that gentle soft settled game that oftentimes doesn't get as much credit. But I think should Julie was a real key in everything because I think that she was somebody that she was insisting war dog where Lauren was saying like, no, it's going to be Devon's Devon's. And they seem like that. Maybe they weren't going to be able to come to an. About who to vote for. And then once Devon's won, the immunity, then I wonder if Julie ended up being the person to be able to flip Ron also against the idea of voting out war dog or against voting on Aurora at this. My sense of it is that I really felt like from what we saw that Julian Gavin where the real voices in terms of staying strong dog train this whole sewed. And after the war dog did a really bad job with Gavin in this episode where then they had basically that disagreement and then didn't talk to each other the whole rest of the episode, and it ends up working out for Gavin. I thought the Gavin was gonna be the one who got voted out once they kept showing Gavin talking about how hey I'm going to get my revenge. I'm going to get out war dog, and this is going to be so sweet like if they're telling us it's going to happen. It's not going to happen. And this was one where it was hidden in plain sight where we Gavin did get Wardag out in this episode. But we didn't see Gavin very much involved in any of the planning. We just knew he was mad at war dog and wanted to get him out. Yeah. So then I would just assume that he had agency along with Julie and others were wanting him out. But I I mean Gavin made a good point. It's and this is what I was kind of saying few minutes. Go it's like, it's not just what you do. It's how you do it. And unfortunately for war dog, you know, he did have a very kind of tag, stick and aggressive approach with Gavin. And a lot of people who were speaking out against him. And you just have to have a light touch with people, especially at this point of the game when everyone's wrong, everyone kind of how you react to things. Really? What can differentiate a good player? Great player. Yeah. It's hard to be adversarial. When you're the person who ends up making a move like that we saw in your season where when Cebu got voted out where after that move happened. I remember when Nick and Christian were getting into it and Christian was completely the opposite. He's like, hey, I wanted let me just explain and. It's not like that. There is like one thing that actually all will always work because Nick was didn't matter what Christian had to say to him. But I do feel like that being so confrontational about it. I'm not talking to you. Now seems seems like that that is hasty. It is it is hasty. You never wanna burn bridges, and we saw we saw Rick kind of do this too. If you weeks ago, obviously him and more dog. Yeah. Men's but you you just never deny. And I know Stephen citizen, it's blog. It's like you never deny an offer in the game. Even if it's like, okay, not at smile, and hold your tongue Totta hold your tongue. Even if it's really hard to deal. Let's talk about one of the things you brought up earlier the idea of hey, we are the people who are the pilots where the people who are making moves and the other people in the game. Those are the goats and we need to take them out. Yes, we are all our own biggest competition, but we're also the people that we need to to get through. Through this. It turns out that other than Ron ended up getting away. But two of the three people in that conversation ended up being the people that were left out of the vote this ram. Yeah. That's right. I mean, so go going to what I was saying about that. Honestly, like nothing offends me more than when someone call someone to go in this game like especially so far from the end. I know what feels close to them. But it's not, you know, they're still so much gameplay to happen. And that's what tonight there's still so much game left that you can't turn and say, okay this person's winning right now. Or this person's the sure thing, I really truly believe that as soon as you start underestimating other people and thinking that they have no power have no voice. Have no agency is the second that your ego and your power trip gets so big that it's your demise. And so I think again, I think this is gonna be so true in the coming weeks. Again, I think we saw tonight with your dog. You know, I I just have this feeling that Devon's is going to vote it out and maybe rancher the game. But time will tell ya. I could see that. And it came up so much trouble council, also where every single person that was voted out was, you know, a, quote, unquote, big threat in one way or another. And then at some point it starts to turn on its head. Where the biggest threat is the person who is a threat at all. Exactly. And you it's funny because if you look at the final three sometimes it's not always the strongest player the best player the strategic player like look at our seizing. Christian was probably the smartest like all. The big guys and girls were taken out like me, Nick and Mike were not the strongest in any sense of the word, but we made it to the end because you kind of you have to kind of finagle your way, you have to be a little bit of a sleeper to get to the end. And I think right now, we're getting these big egos speaking so loudly almost pretending like each tribal is final tribal, and you just can't jump the gun. Right. Like that. 'cause then you're going to be gone. Tonight was like a preview of final tribal felt kind of final tribally. And it's like no can't do that. It's so interesting to me, Lena because there's so much jury pandering that's happening right now people saying, well, this is what I'm doing for this person on the jury, and they're almost like talking directly to the jury, and it's and it's wild because this isn't just the jury one of these people is coming back into the game. And so there's almost like alliances that are being formed a frost tribal council with somebody that's gonna come back into the game. And somebody's gonna come back and say, hey, I want to work with you. Because I I liked what you've been saying these tribal councils. Yeah. And this miles and the winks, and it was no obvious tonight. People were working the room, and you have to but at the same time, you don't want to do too much. They get caught on. Yeah. That can happen. So let's talk a little bit. I want to ask you about this. Do you see this? As that the women are. Our potentially getting together and are about to do their own thing here in this game. Because it was presented tonight as sort of like the people that are making moves versus the people that are the goats. But basically, it's a Ron and Gavin, and then all the women that are left in the game. Do you see potentially this coalescing into the women coming together? And then just making an end run at this. I mean, I hope so I think that would be a dream scenario for a lot of people we've been dying not I can't speak for everyone. But I think a lot of fans have been dying for another female winter. It's been a hot minute Nutley. And I mean, I would love to see that. I think we have some really smart and strong women left. I mean, look at Lauren Aurora, Victoria, Julie, they are all really talented players. And I think that they're all smart enough to know that they do need to be making moves, and I think they are making moves I think it's just done in a little bit of acquired away and. Fortunately, the game does reward being loud and being kind of front and center. And so, yeah, I think that between those four ladies that I just mentioned plus gap. Then I see those five potentially retake control of the scame and saying to hell with you guys who tried to kind of like write us off as goats and having like a little rebellion. I would love to see that tonight was big night for Lauren, and we had Kelly Wentworth voted out last week who she said, it was a big sister her, and she was in a focus for a lot of the episode talking about that she wanted to get Rick Devon's. And then we had a on a night where Rick Devon's one immunity a bad moment when he was like, hey, the women here. They're just here for the for a relaxed. They're not players in the game. And you know, they the hidden word I walk away and talking about like, okay? Well, let's work together on this vote, and ultimately ends up being the undoing for war dog. Who and Devon's who was the other person left out of that vote? But I thought that this was the first night that I could start to start to squint my eyes and see Lauren as a potential person who could win the game. I love that. I I've I've respected Lawrence since the beginning of the game. You know, she found that idol early on. She's been competitor. She fainted and that Chalus I'm she's made good relationships. Like, I think. Yeah. I think potentially Lauren could be a sleeper winner. I could see maybe even Gavin being a sleeper winner. You know, I feel like Gavin. I feel like it says not yet in the conversation for me. Lauren for sure. Yeah. I would be incredible. I think it's a big uphill road to that point. I think I think right now, I think the front runners right now are definitely Ron and Devon's and then potentially. Well, yeah. I think it's one of those two right now. Okay. What about Julie? Did you feel like that? She somebody who could now, you know, she had like her lo- moment at that tribal council where Julia got voted out could she be on Iraq is. Yeah. Yeah. What's what's question? Julie could be on the on the rise here and making a run. I I would I would also love to see that. I feel like Julie has kind of the same mind as me and a lot of ways a lot of the confessionals. I'm like, oh my gosh. Like that's me talking in, you know, ten or fifteen years, and I do think that I think the hard part with Julius that we've seen a lot of human moments from her where she struggles with hurting people's struggles with lying to people. She didn't want to go at the merge has had just gone back in the game. That's emotional response to have and again, it shows her heart. But when you're playing survivor kind of what like Victoria said you've got to put your heart out of it to be cut throat, and I don't see that cutthroat nature in Julie, unfortunately. And so I don't see her being a winner. But I do see her going far, and then we have Victoria again. Again, who this is the eleventh episode and every travel council that she's been to she somehow gets on the right side of the numbers. That's impressive. Yeah. But girl, she's I mean, she is she's doing her thing. I'm having but Feeny on. Yeah. But we haven't Simba well other than that. We don't see a lot from her in terms of you know, the the planning of the vote we heard her her name thrown about. But she didn't seem to be somebody who was super active in terms of targeting war dog this time. Yeah, I agree. And you know, coming just straight off of a season and to call it out. I we can never think spans that that doesn't mean that she wasn't doing right because there are so many episodes that I watched and it was showing someone leading vote, and I was like I was super active in within those votes do and then it was completely not there. And so I think we just have to always keep that in the back of our heads as we are watching these episodes is that it is really condemn. Dense and we're not seeing what everyone's doing. And so I would venture to say that I think Victoria's during a lot more behind the scenes that were getting to see Angelina. I would be remiss if I did not ask you about the feud over the rice tonight in this episode IV was so I was so happy when I was watching the episode. I said what what a perfect night to talk to Angelina about what was going on. And we got to see a similar situation where that I know from your season, you know, you people win reward the people at home. What are they going to do? They're going to eat all the rice. Yeah. This okay. This was absolutely Porsche doing. I think they are going to run out, right? Ponant now. Rob prediction right now. They're gonna run out of rice just like we did just like ghost island did. But it wasn't shown. They were going to have to figure out what to do figure out. What to do? Yeah. Gonna get as good a deal as we did tell you that. Right. Well, they didn't get to see your season either. So that when they ran out of goes to rice on ghost island. They didn't show that either. So they're going to be sort of like back the square one. If that's going to be what day is it? Now is it twenty seven or thirty twenty nine was the night of tribal. So I think the rice situation was day twenty eight for us for David versus Goliath on the day that I talked to Jeff about our REIs was day is eleven days before the end. So it was day twenty eight when I asked him we weren't completely out yet we had about a day and a half left. So if things are lining up Ritchie closely what happened with us. And it also looks like they're not catching much Fisher or anything either. From what we've seen on camera on the edge of extinction. Yeah. Yeah. Because they've got you know, Joe and Chris candy over there on the. So I put it was so interesting with Iran and Aurora, and they were arguing over how much rice to make Ron Ron to make a lot Aurora. He calls the run of the rice Nazi? No rice for you run. It's hard. So I mean, okay. So I I was sort of in a little bit of this role to because I would take an active role in cooking along with a lot of people like some germ bubble. You know, how it goes division of labor. But I was oftentimes the person who was pouring the rice and as it kinda got lower. No at lower you start to realize like oh shit. But what I would do after reward losses because I don't know if you recall, but I was on like remember, my scrape losing losing was winning. I'd be a winner. So anyway, I remember I would ask folks like how many should we do? I wouldn't make the decision myself. And a lot of times people do wanna eat a little extra when other people are officing and sure there's some of that tragedy of the comments for sure. And so anyway, so that's kind of how you get in that precarious situation. But yeah, so it's a tough spot to be. And I never told people know because that's not a good look. And so I was never call. Old rice Nazi no those. I mean, those are words. No. I think it's a Seinfeld reference that I think it's Germany rapper. Well, the soup Nazi was the famous character from Seinfeld. So I think that I think that that's more. I don't think that he's calling her literal Nazi. I don't think. So I don't think so I don't think so I think it's definitely using Houston. Ron we'll find out if Ron is assigned is assigned, but we know he's a friends fan. We'll find out if he's a Seinfeld fan. But I thought that was such a funny line that he said about how that it's like living with auroras like if I have to live with a roar of thirty nine days, then they need to give two million dollars. It's not worth it for one. Yeah. That was pretty good. How about on the edge of extinction tonight Angelina where we got to see Kelly went worth going through a hard time. That was a nice moment. Where Joe was there to cheer her up the two of them had been through the second chance season together? And that was nice. Yeah. And they really didn't have a lot of time together in the game of sort of like three days at the merge. And then a nice moment and Kelly's at her weakest and here comes reams like. I've been waiting for Kelly to get Vernon of since day three. And like, I'm like what it took you. So long vote her out voices. You rule. You've ruined my survivor game. You know? Okay. So a few things, I I I cried when Kelly cried it just it just struck a chord. I mean, I think I relate a lot to Kelly. So to see her kind of breakdown, I was like I just felt it, you know, I was also sad because I did feel like it was a bit of a close out her Kelly. And so it kind of made me lose hope that she would go. It was you know, a bit sad. And I was still wanting to see some augury because I felt like maybe reentry, but we didn't hear from her tonight. So I'm kind of leading that flame die as well twin it was Joe and Kelly and Aubrey altogether. I don't know where they let David Wright. Hang out with them. You can't sit with us. David. Ream, david. No, I do love watching. Ed. I think it is. So fascinating. Because it does give you a glimpse into the kind of picking up the pieces that happens after the show, whether it's Ponderosa Australia or back, you know, after the game these conversations happen and feelings are legitimately hurt. Even though you know, it's a game. You still have to pick up the pieces. And so I I appreciate that Ramos because the sooner Europe front with like, hey, a mad at you, the sooner you can get over it. Right. And these are awkward conversations that happen in in real life where you know, and not that I know from experience, but if you are somebody who goes into the you make the merge and you go far into the game. You don't see the person who got voted off on day three until the finale, and it's many months later and some person still has an axe cigarette. We've you and has has things to say that you have to listen to get their number. And you you sit on the number for a little bit too long couple months, and they get upset number reach out. So I do like that we get to see that on the edge of extinction. Yeah. I think it's I think it's really interesting dimension to the game. But it's very fun. What else from your notes tonight that you talked that you wanted to touch on from this episode? Let's see I gave my props to Julie. We talked about the rise. Still no bathing suits the bathing. Suits are. Not coming tight Tyler Perry. Put it in order of no bathing suits for the whole year. I think I hope that he has a special place place. I'm gonna say because being out of bathing suit is absolute torture. Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, let's start to bring in some of the questions that we have from from the listeners of the podcast. And of course, if there's any if there's anything that you remember from your notes or you see feel free to jump in. Okay. So let's go ahead and bring in a question, this is from survivor Brent at this point other than winning immunity. What is Rick Devon's path to the end? Do you think that Rick Devon's could potentially of figure this out and come up with anybody that wants to work with him? I think Rick's only path to the end is re entry at the next re entry point. I think he's absolutely going to get boated off the only chance at the winning this game getting back by winning his way back up. So you think he has to leave? So that he could come back, and Rick Devon's has proven to be a fierce competitor in these challenges. I think that nobody really gives them a lot of credit early on the season Bod can move. Jay, Pieta, dad, Bach and move. He can do puzzles. That we saw him last week with balancing, the balls this week with and he got he got everything through the obstacle course. And then of course, with the getting the thing up the snake? So Rick Rick Kevin's has done. Well, and maybe you know, he is the person that could be in one of these. You know, if he has to go back he's been through this experience before he's now participated in a lot of challenges. So I guess that you wouldn't think of him as a front runner, it's a potentially come back in if he goes out, but watch up Rick Devon's he's hot he is. And I don't see him going on like an immunity streak. Even though he is heating up right now. He's got two in a row, which is great. But I don't see him like winning his way to the end with immunities. Again. I think he's gonna lose a name unless unless he finds an idler he'd gets another idol handed to him by production. Then I only see way for him to to win and get the end is to be kicked out come back. And then sitting the end he does have a very strong story. He's he's played a good game. Angelino? You surprised how few immunity idols? We've seen found in this season. We basically had the one that we had one that was and look the women found the idol that hasn't been the problem. But two of the women have been voted out with the idols. They still have them and Lauren has the. One, but nobody else. No other idol has been found in the season. I am. Let's get to that. But actually have a question for you. Rob go for win win these idols Noce edge with. Yes. Say Arbor Kelly where to get back into the game. Would there? I'd still be with them and have power. So I do know they would not have power that's been explained. What I don't know. Is would they physically get to keep them? And could they then sort of either hide them or put them out as a fake idol? That's the what has not been explained. Maybe we'll get to find out that answer from Kelley your Aubrey after the season. But I do know that the idols themselves once you're voted out. They don't have any more power, man. Okay. But yet could be trickery. But okay, I really thought that we were gonna see Lauren potentially find another idle because she was the person that knew Kelly had herreid will she saw Kelly get voted out and had to have been thinking. Okay. Well, now Kelly's idol is going to be. Hidden in the game. And I thought that she had a chance to come away with two idols. Yeah. That's a really good point. We didn't see anyone searching for idols. Of course. I'm sure it's happening. But. Well, maybe maybe next up sewed someone. We'll finally find it. I think not I think I know that the kosher you get to the end the more difficult production makes it to find them. And so perhaps people are looking and just it hasn't been discovered yet. I'm super proud to see so many women crushing on idol front this. I cannot take credit for it. Because they were out there before they thought you put it into you manifest. I spoke it into the universe energy. Just so good job. You did it. Okay. All right. All right. Let's talk about this question from THEO would've been better for Ron to get a raw and get her advantage. So going back to last week's council. I liked the idea of Ron voting out Aurora. And then it would have really sent, you know, Kelly and more dog would have been fighting with each other afterward tried to voter out Aurora would have been gone, Ron what had the extra vote Julie would have been still even though she wasn't unhappy with. Ron, but I like the idea of raw raw not having to vote against his ally. There then it's seemed like in this episode that we had a little bit of like that they were dangling the idea of that Ron was going to potentially not give the advantage back to Aurora. He would've solidified his place on villains trimbe. He didn't take the bait. I I think it was the right move not to do it. I could see how tempting it would be. But I look at some of his closest allies, right? Like, I think Julie would have really taken it personally. I think she wouldn't have like that. I think Gavin one like that. I think maybe toria what have. But I think that he did the calculation. I don't think it would have thought well with anyone maybe with a few but not many. But then like you're saying it does keep Kelly in the game. So there's trade offs. But. I don't know. I think he made the right move in terms of keeping her around having her trust him for a little longer. I was so surprised when I was watching the episode, and then it said Ron one extra vote on like underneath him. And I was like wait when did wrong, get an extra. Oh, wait is this still because he's holding roar advantage that he gets lower third as one extra vote. Yeah. Yes. So I guess it seems that if the owner kind of verbally gives ownership then that other person gets which is pretty wild Roro wasn't like right after tropic. Hey, ron. Get that extra vote BAC. She didn't seem to be forcing the issue too much. No. I mean, this is where her lawyer brain is really apparent like she is very aware. She's very calculated. You know, even though she's claims that she can't hold her tongue. Sometimes I think she has more control than she gives herself credit for. Okay. Let's take this question from the great Tupi lunchbox who says let a name our juries normally this vocal. Or are. They just showing the jury's. Reactions more this season off and to keep us invested in the edge of extinction players Angelino when you were sitting there in Fiji was was the jury this vocal do they have as animated reactions as this jury has having. There was one night when the jury was super animated. It might have been a little buzzed and yell. Oh, shut it down shut them down. It was like basically shut the F up. And so they were pretty well in line after that weren't as animated as they what was going on was they were whispering a lot. There's a difference between the jury talking too much versus the jury having big expressions, and I see big expressions from this jury, which is awesome know what they're thinking. And how they're reacting, but it's kind of a no no to be talking too much during tribal. It's also a big group. I mean, I think this point how many people are on that jury is it like we had nine people eight or nine people on the on the jury so far we're still going to add more to it. I believe because. Yeah. 'cause we were on eight and then to quit, so yeah, I think nine now with dodgers so nine with war dog. I mean, that's almost like a fully constituted jury in a normal season. And so usually it's tens give the fact that they just keep it's I'm I am holding my breath for that final tribal because a. They're all starving as many people have called out on this show. So that's unique and be it's going to be a big rowdy crew. And you got re-met the hell, so I am I'm ready for that. It's going to be a raucous final tribal council excited for that. Okay. Let's take this question. This is from David on Twitter. So war dog thinks he's only going to stay at the edge for a few days. It can only mean that he quits because have you seen him in these challenges war dog not a prohibitive favorite to return from the edge of extinction. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's it's it's crazy to me because he's he looks so fit, you know, physically defies logic that he's so bad and challenges because he looks fit and then you got. And then he's killing it. So I don't know judge a book by its cover judge. We're love him. But I think this is science for him. Yeah. It was so funny. When war dog showed up at the edge of extinction, and we got ream at the end of the episode like Jude you are in for it tomorrow. If you're going to get it. That's the worst. Just tell me. Now don't make me sleep on it to not going to sleep. You're gonna get a rear getting remake daily the whole rest of the way. Oh, my God room that was like thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventy in the game even conversation Jude. I don't care. I've been thinking about it this whole way. No, no. It's a lot of podcasts. Okay. Let's just sir. Dunston checks in says was war dog a false flag that ultimately covered up the real Tony clone Ron Clark or is my wlac comet. Or broken is Ron Clark the real Tony clone this season. I don't think bronze at Tony clone. I don't think bronzes kind of sporadic and crazy is Tony. I wouldn't give the extra vote back. No, heck, no. You wouldn't know Ron actually? Reminds me a little bit of Mike white. Playing both sides being really good at doing it and just being really calculated. And and also like a puppet master, so. Yeah, that's why would relate him to more way more than Tony. No, I think Iran is great. But I don't think he's a tone anything that's a little bit of let let war dog have that. He can be the tone doesn't feel like he's Tony either. So who knows? Yeah. I think he well I in the criticisms of war dog tonight. I feel like that was Tony ask where they felt like that war dog wasn't letting other people be heard he was just talking at them Gavin. I learned one thing tonight. Angela he does not like it. When you talk to him like a dog. He does not like care for that. I wish I had my dog right here. So I give them a little polo. But had a dog. Do you have a Frenchie a Frenchie? Okay. All right. All right. Angelina is moving into position and bringing bringing in a dog. This is a very pet friendly podcast. And we love to hear from pets anytime that we can of course, right after this show tonight. I'm going to be live with Bryce Isaiah on fan. Credit at ten fifteen pm. There's Frenchie the French bulldog Franklin. Okay. Sorry, Franklin the French bulldog. Licking the microphone. Okay. All right. Let's do a couple more questions here before we start to wrap up with the great Angelina. Okay. What what buff is that is that your your merged buff Angelina merged back? Yeah. This Callow Callo. Okay. All right. Let's take this question from Patrick to any of the players have any idea that somebody from the jury could come back if they do are they playing if they know I mean when they're getting voted out there talking about how they're going to be back. So I think that they. I think everybody gets it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they know Patrick. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure this from Tara. This is the third week in a row that Jeff has an issue. The jury what's up with that? We don't have enough time. Yeah. It's just that. They're just trying to squeeze everything and we don't have time. Okay. At least says what did Devon's yell Wayne? He won immunity, and why Angelina do you have a take on this? I actually asked that same question. I don't know what a chaser is that like so that I was not aware of this prior to tonight. But that what he yelled out was an inside joke for the Tony Kornheiser radio show. I used to listen to the Tony Kornheiser radio show a whole way a ways back, but Rick Evans, a faithful listener and giving shout out to Mr Tony. It's really nice of him. I mean, it's like the equivalent of like yelling a Bob UI. I really was surprised at the show. It's normally frowns upon this type of thing. And I think that that was the name of the episode. Yeah. Oh, it was. I think it was so very that could be fake news that I just don't don't drag me if I'm wrong about that. But I usually the show does not steer into something like that. But I feel like it doesn't hurt the publicity. Okay. Darren wants to know ask Angelina if she was on this season. Who would you have aligned with from the beginning or for right now? Either or. All right. So from the beginning people that I gravitated towards or who I would wanna gravitate towards would be Heli Aubrey Lauren. Wore dog. Yeah. I think that would probably be my main crew if again, if it was just like a free for all like, everyone some of the people that I would have loved to play with from who's left out. Definitely like Aurora. Julie. Yeah. The underdog crew Gavin, Victoria. I'm like, I would I would be at their helm, hopefully, or not I don't wanna say at their home because I think again going back to this whole idea of pilot. I hate that. I they didn't show it in my final tribal. But I said that I think as the game of what we're seeing is many leaders, not just leaders and followers, which is more of the old school concept. I think everyone's leader in their own right? And it's about co leading and collaborating rather than being led. Janis era says what's up with Kelly's idol that wasn't played last week. Do you think it was replanted? We never saw Lauren consider looking for it. Look, this is the kind of thing where Lauren might have been looking for this idol from. Dawn till dusk. And we just didn't see it in the episode. So it's hard to know damn her or praise her for idle haunting here Angelina. I agree was aubrey's idle replanted. So I don't think it. I mean, if it was nobody found it. But that was the I think the pre merge is a little bit different where it's also it was unusual circumstance where it was the come idol, but she had swopped to a different tribe in lost the idol. So in those instances, I don't know if they. I think it's who knows who knows you have to get mapping wagon to answer that question. David wants brabin. Stephen it's Angelina here tonight on bring out my answer. This like, Stephen. We we know the war dog is no Tony wlac goes. But how do you think he would have avoided being voted out after making such a big move? Hashtag speaking llama speaking long. That's tony. That's what's one of his things. The I'm not a know it all know at some. So so, hey, David, this is Stephen here. I think that you know, wore dog really could have avoided this by by not being. So so war doggy. That's pretty good. Golden retrievers, also little known fact. He's a big old golden retriever golden retriever puppies, especially. Okay. All right. Let's let's do one or two more questions. Scott gluco says these players are really working the jury. Do you feel like everybody's chances or anybody changes improved when they do that? I that Gavin won some points this tribal council. Yeah. I think that when it seems like that you are a person who is then avenging the person who just went out. I think that you do score points with the jury Angelina. I think you absolutely do. I mean, we saw that with Nick, I think David really appreciated that Nick how strong emotional reaction after he was blindsided with his vote and David loyal to him to the end. So I think that it can work, and I do think that Gavin was kinda working Kelly a little bit tonight, and I'm sure Cebu appreciated when you guys voted out. Gabby after he went out who Siebu chiampou DRO. You don't know CBO, I know Carl. I know I know I know the godfather his his good friends. Call him CBO Angelina. Dang. Well. Jeff stumps for that. No the CBA game. But yeah, no. I think I think it helped gabbing a little bit. But it's a fine line between doing too much. So you can't work at too much. Okay. Jesse says would extinction island even be hard. I mean, she is it is great that not only extinction island hard. But it's also like, you know, you're sort of the person who's like a, you know, throwing softballs, and she's like standing there and the dunk tank like that the best to you. You throw like war dog bro throws are lane. You can't even hit that bullseyes. You had one hundred. I want to know I the only thing that would make extinction better would be if keep the still there cream and then God come on. God that prayer circle got ream yelling. It's like a one happy family Angelina. Let me talk about a little bit of what's what's coming up here on rob. As a podcast got a brand new shirt in the RHA store dot com. Do you follow the game of thrones huge band? Okay. All right. We have a brand new shirt designed by Brian Molloy. And here it is the RJ. Dire. Wolf bell shirt. Banter is coming. That's available at our AJ store dot com. If if that is your thing that's a Brian Molloy original for our H A RJ. RG store dot com. Philadelphia. No, it all shirt we were last week. They can get that banter is coming all the different versions of that. Rha store dot com for that news af myself Tyson Danny Bryson got together today for our weekly check in on the internet's most interesting new stories, Mark Zuckerberg has a new podcast. Angela. Will you be checking that out? I'm good said everybody in the entire world about that announcement of Mark zuckerberg's new podcast by that possums breaking into people's houses. In more on news. Af Thursday, oh, we got another Vic shin coming up on big brother, Canada, Taryn Armstrong, and the l f c will be live on Thursday night to check that out. Of course live feed updates coming as well on Thursday. So be on the lookout for vats. The amazing race episode two. Recap after I get done on fan cred tonight. Be watching the amazing race. I will have an exit interview with the next team eliminated from the amazing race. And then myself, Jessica Leeson, Mike bloom. We'll recap episode number two of the major are you following the reality star mazing race. I watched a little bit of the intro last week. But couldn't I couldn't get hooked. I might go back and read struggle up that mound. That would be worth it who would be your partner on reality amazing race. Oh my gosh. Mike, and I have talked about maybe making a triumphant. It would be a third time appearance. Right. Did he very twice? Right. He tries to this dad. He did. So I keep I try try to keep tabs on everything. Mike does as much as possible. Have you seen the emoji movie? We're not talking about that Angelina go. Give me don't get me in trouble. PG law is going to be here. Tomorrow questions in for PG, voicemail or survivor at rob has a website dot com. Excited PG back with us. And then oh, the great Meghan Z is going to be on the arch EP BNB this week engine. We did so many podcasts a week you work your. But these aren't all these aren't all making. We have a great team here on rob podcasts in the Rahat ups. And of course, the mayo jar Nick Meyer ano- is going to be here with lots of surprises coming up on our episode eleven feedback show get your feedback questions. In for the mayo jar jar. That's that's what they call them. And find out why war dog lost. I'm sure a podcast. We'll get a lot of feedback from the war dog David Bloomberg. Jessica Lewis coming up this weekend as well on our wrap ups feed and we've got AJ mass on this week in survivor as well. So looking forward to that with Jordan Kashmir myself in the wiggle room coming up with Josh wig. That's the rundown for the weekend. Delina? Okay. Of course, all of this pilot, and you're piloting the plane. Okay. If you want to get on board be a pilot on your own small one person plane that's all flying in the same direction and become part of our Robbins podcast, patriot community, get access to our patron podcast feed and more shit head on over to rob has a website dot com slash patron. For more information Angelina, I can't thank you enough for doing the. You were really fantastic. You were so well prepared. I was telling you right before you that your your presentation is so wonderful that nobody ever has had their their outfit in the room and the microphone all match. Thank you up know, this is just my office. It's all much all perfect. Would you consider taking over the position fulltime from Stephen fish back? You know, I think we could sit down and look at the numbers and negotiate a little make you a low ball offer. Just. Yes. Okay. You know? Yes. Would you like to be paid in retweets? We could we could talk. We talk Angelino. I know you are super busy. Thank you for making time for us. Is there anything that you want the listeners to check out your up to, you know, just like last time always wanted to plug my nonprofit that I'm working hard on ready to run we are working on preparing the next generation of leaders nonpartisan and essentially trying to get every high school and college girl to see themselves as political candidates by getting them to run for Shing. So the website is she is ready to run dot org. Very early days. And so would love any and also port for us. I don't mean to put you on the spot. But I was thinking about this today as I was getting ready Angelino one day. Do you think that we will see you potentially run for elected office? I think thank you. Rob. I think after my my billon life on fiber. That may not be. I guess I guess you have a point. Because once somebody does a reality TV show. They're probably out of out of consideration for any elected office reality set. No. I mean, we'll we'll see I'm not counting it out. But I think there's a lot of I might not to. Built. It's not about me. It's about all of us. So time will tell hashtag she's running. Okay. All right. All right Angeline. If this was so this is so much fun to get the catch up, and really and you were a natural for this. Oh, no. You give me too much credit? I really appreciate it. This is so much fun. I'm happy to do it anytime. And are you doing running up bring this year, by the way? So that they just had the one for this past season. And then I've not heard I have not heard anything yet about Octo. But that's a ways away. Okay. Well, you know, if you're ever going to my hometown, I'm the first one there. So let me now. Okay. All right Angelina, thank you so much. Thank Scott saint-pierre behind the scenes if you want to join myself and the purple pants bad ass on fan cred tonight coming up in a couple of minutes to fan cred dot com to get the app, we will see tomorrow with the PG law. Take everybody a good one by. Game.

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Survivor 39 Episodes 8 & 9 Feedback with Nicole Cesternino, Dr. Amanda Rabinowitz, and Sarah Channon

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Survivor 39 Episodes 8 & 9 Feedback with Nicole Cesternino, Dr. Amanda Rabinowitz, and Sarah Channon

"Everybody what's going on Rob Cicirino here ear with our survivor feedback. Show here for the merge episode and this is going to be a little bit of a different feedback. Show show here today as we're going to talk to a few different smart women on this podcast starting with none other than and the first lady of podcasting here she is Nicole Sister Nicole. How are you? I'm good good. Okay how are you. I'm all right all right. It's been a it's been a week all right so we have a lot to talk about here with this survivor episode. I also want to mention who else we're going to talk about. We're going to talk to great friend of the PODCAST. Dr Amanda Rabinowitz is going to join us to join me actually so just a little inside died baseball on the podcast kicked out. Nicole isn't getting kicked out but Nicole works on the weekends and so that Nicole and I originally planned to do you. Were feedback show on Friday night. which is when we were recording? This but I WANNA expand the conversation a bit more so going to talk with Nicole all and get her takes from the week in survivor. And then Dr a matter of Benowitz coming up next. And then we're GonNa talk with longtime longtime rob has a website dot com blogger. Sarah Shannon who has been very outspoken about. A number of issues is concerning survivor over the years and I know she has a lot to say as well so we will talk to her as well. All in this podcast. So I have a couple of interviews lined up on Saturday. So we're GONNA talk with Nicole tonight. I wish Nicole could be with me for the other interviews but Doodoo Nicole's work obligations. We were not able to make that work Nicole. I got to talk about a couple of times Already this week on the no one else right after the episode with Shannon Gates who was really incredible and then I had had a chance to talk about this with Kelly Wentworth who also did outstanding job. If you missed that podcast with Kelly Wentworth be sure to check. Check that out if you want to hear her talk about this subject. But we haven't heard from you about all of this and you've been a few episodes behind you binge binge. You did a lot of binging so you took in a lot of survivor over the course of the last few days to get ready for this podcast and and of course Last night you ended up watching the double episode but you kind of had known what was coming due to the reaction already from social social media. So did the episode. Was it what you thought. It was going to be based on the social media reaction. I didn't know what to expect. It's really when I watched it and it lived up to it. It certainly did was it was really really hard to watch. What were some of the hardest parts for you watching Kelly watching Kelly like in in pain like that was hard to watch and then watching the women the way they had treated her and I was also triggered by Aaron and his reaction to it? Yeah that's got one of the bigger reactions from you where that Aaron spoken. Its Second Tribal Council. I was watching your were getting really angry for the first time. And you like jumped up out of your seat What was it that he said that bother author do so much that because he knows women and has women in his life he would know if this was a problem and I feel like that is the problem with men in that is that that is the problem with them like they? He was in a position of power so he should know everything. And if it's if he doesn't doesn't know then it's not true Yeah that makes sense in fairness to Aaron did come out with a you know seemingly very heartfelt to part apology he was crying. I watched the apology at first. I wasn't buying it. I think I was still mad at him. uh-huh you're still mad but I have come around to say you know what I think that they had a long time to from. Where when when this all happened to win this aired to really think about the thing about this whole thing and then watching it? I would hope really open their eyes to their behaviors behaviors and how it was handled. That's a good question that we haven't really talked about. Do you think that the players involved were like. I'm sure they thought it was going going to be bad. And I'm not talking about the the Dan's of the world. What what he's thinking? He has not shown up in any sort of the the one person who has not given any sort of apology or statement or anything like that So nobody knows where his head is at or where it ever was but yeah for the other contestants for the errands and the MRIs and the Elizabeth's who were sort of tangentially involved with us. Do you think that they know how bad this was going. The be on Wednesday night. I don't I don't think you can be prepared for that. Yeah I don't think they knew it was going to be bad Not Get to this level to the point where they're getting all this hate on social media. Yeah and you know watching it. uh-huh triggers people. Well that was such a big part of all of this where that people you know. This was uncomfortable to watch but in being so up close with it with this community of people who love survivor. I've heard a lot of stories from people over the last couple of days of that. What happened on the show was really emotional for me? Because it reminded me of Blah Blah Blah Blah. You were you and I were talking about this a little bit. You said that every woman has to some degree maybe not every women woman but many many women have had this to some degree and I can think of some things where and what Kelly had said really like. I felt it when she was like she felt better when the women were like. Yeah I feel that way too because sometimes you do think these as things are in your head and like you're making a big deal out of it is this true is a big deal you know and when you have someone say yeah. I felt that way. That really invalidates your feelings and that really really mean something and then to have them not really mean it That's awful. Yeah Yeah and you know. This is all really convoluted because it's taking place. Also in survivor into into people are trying to trick people. But I think the varying degrees of you know that there could be elements of workplace dynamics where people are vying lying for different promotions and stuff like that so survivor is it's not like it's a totally unique situation I wanted to ask you. Is that what you're talking about is that is that common in real life where women will have a conversation in with one another life for sure. Okay here's that this this guy is Blah Blah Blah and then there will be you know conversations among the women and then you get like Oh my God yes. He did that to me too. That's so disgusting. That's so gross. I don't like that and then you feel better better knowing that you feel better knowing that you're not the only one but you're you're validated And maybe you can take a stand because you have your believed saved Nicole I want to play a question for you. That was from one of our listeners. And this is a question about whether or not people were ready for the episode of survivor that we saw the other night and let me play you this question. This is Fran Amy From Virginia. Hey Robin Nicole. This is amy from Virginia. As Para yourselves do you feel survivor is still about quote unquote family show. I have mixed feelings of this. I started letting my eight year old daughter watches me and she really enjoys the show. I was happy to watching in discuss the do rag incident together. In general though some of the more adult stuff goes over her head. So it's fine but this episode was not not something that I would see as even though it was a very real portrayal. The messages were quite mixed and not easily processed by an eight year old. I I wish that somehow I had a heads up that this episode was going to take such a dark turn. What are your thoughts? Okay Nicole let let me hear your thoughts about this. Well I know as parents. We try to shield our kids from as much as possible but sometimes like things happen and things happened in the world where we have to talk to them about things that we don't WanNa talk about and I guess this is. This is now one of them because many people are in a position where they have to. They have to talk about now right. There was a disclaimer at the top of the episode. That basically was like this is there's mature content apprentice discretion is like okay. Kids time for bed. Yeah and unless you had the presence of mind to say okay. You know what I'm going to watch this episode first and then I'll tell you guys and this is of course. This is for parents who might have the presence of mind to say okay. I don't know what's going to happen so let me pause this as you guys watch it tomorrow. I really think that they did a bad job with that. And I think that I've had a couple of days to reflect about this. I think that what they should have done here. Was I think that they should have started with at the jeff or I don't know if they wanted to have a scroll I think that the best version of this would have been in Jeff probst coming on and saying hey. Tonight's episode is going to deal with the subject of inappropriate retouching from one of the players. And how that affects the other players. Yeah that are in the game because I think it wasn't just for parents but I've taught triggered a lot. I've heard from different from different people who have been through an experience this people that have have gone through other other terrible situations. That isn't this. has a bra has stirred up feelings and emotions. That were are not related to watching survivor. There watching survivor to have a nice time to escape and parents of Young of young children. And I don't want to say like hey this doesn't this doesn't belong in my show. Look it it happened and they should show it happened but I think that people did not not get the chance to opt in or opt out of of what that was going to be and I think that to have something that was so emotionally emotionally jarring for people with whether they were watching with children who they wanted to you know not not expose them. I'm to this story or whether it was a personal experience that they've been through. I just don't think that this show got you into the episode so let you know what was what was coming in the right way. It was like a blindside to the audience. It was a blind set for the audience. And you didn't and you didn't know where it was going and and and you know you ended up seeing Kelly become uncomfortable and everything with the producer and I just think that there. It was a better way to brace people for what was coming that nothing about the episode the way it was marketed was. Hey It's a two hour episode Commercial Mercia and it was. It was very much like hey business as usual and then you ended up getting this episode. which is this unforgettable survivor episodes and not in a positive way And I just think that they could have done more to let you know something like what were are they worried about either. It was that. Hey we don't want to spoil what's going to happen you know. We don't want to hear that people from every spoiled anything it's like okay. The game is not as important as this is or it was like. Hey we don't want to call more attention to this which is probably the case where that it was something that was going to happen but I think that you ended up getting a lot of people upset. Yeah yeah so I think that in the future if anything if an and hopefully there will be nothing like this ever ever ever ever again and I don't remember what they he did. In the in the Zeke and Jeff Arner incident. But you know if some if there's some sort of a bad behavior incident that should ever happen on the show or somebody is is is You know hurt in a violent way or something something terrible that. I just think that they should be a little give. Give you that sorta heads up where this is. This is what we're getting into any sort of trigger warning is That would be. I think a better way to get into stuff like this to call. Let me get your take on Dan and A. Let me give you a couple of Dan questions so I kissed. Let me start with this. One's a question from Randy and Randi ask so. What do you think of Dan's reaction the accusations against him could he really be that clueless or was he just acting surprise to try to keep from being targeted? It seems like that after the producers spoke with everyone and gave Dan a warning. There'd be no way that he could be unaware about what was going on. Could it or could the producers have been so vague about the issue that Dan didn't understand what it yeah. I'm confused by the whole thing. Randy Nicole did you feel like that Dan Seemed surprised that this was coming up. I don't know how I don't know what his reaction was. All about what I do know that stuck out to me was when they were calling them out at tribal council he was was a who was behind. was that Elizabeth. He was behind Nora and he was I. I don't WanNa say imitating but he was. I guess giving an example of what he's Judas. Jesus string oh I might be walking past you in the shelter. Ah Grab you like. This really took her and caressed her And you have no self awareness whatsoever whatsoever like like that was just like it. Did he take that of his another opportunity to touch a woman or did he not know what he was doing is he just does he think that they want this. I don't know don't make me get inside the head in terms of what he's thinking struck me like he has he. He's clueless Louis. He's he's clueless so I don't know if he's a he knows what he's doing so like but he's clueless as to like like they're onto him Based on what we were told by the cards on the screen. And you know we don't have a reason to doubt what was said at at this point what they what they shared with us was okay. They spoke to all the players individually or as as a group and Dan was singled out and he was like okay. Hey like your this is this is what this is. What's going on and so if you you got the message assuming that he did I really think that he thought okay well like I got the message but this isn't going to be in the show show like this isn't this isn't part of the show? Okay I got. I got this and so he took it seriously. When it came up at the tribal council and he got was getting very upset? Like we're we're like I don't know what you're talking about. And Jeff kept pushing the issue. Yeah and the job is like I'm not gonNA stop. Yeah I can see. You're obviously not gonNa let this go. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm not going to let this go And and they got into it but I really just think that Dan was trying to pretend like there was not anything going on in. You Know I. I don't think it's like a Like I'm oblivious. He's like I'm just going to act like nothing is wrong. And then Predator Stu I dunno no no. That's not it's not my area of expertise. Yeah it's not mine either. When I say that he's clueless? I mean that he's clueless in in realizing that his behavior is is unacceptable And I just feel like that. I think he was under the impression that it was going to. Just okay thing all right like that's it and we're not gonNA continue to talk about it. But then when Janet was so upset at the tribal council because so how it got brought up than it was a part of that conversation. And you can't put the toothpaste back in two. Yeah I've you know everybody needs a Janet. Yeah everybody needs to Janet Janet really. was you talk about Janet Nicole. I mean Janet was friends with him and she saw both sides to it but she said you know I gotta support these girls. These girls are hurting. And I can't can't turn my back on these girls and she didn't because she felt morally responsible to taking care of these girls And then she you pay the price for it. Yeah yeah well. She's on the bottom of the numbers and she's at the top of everybody else's number. Yes I feel like that would be like you what I feel like that you would go to bat for people I would. Yeah I like to stand up for people people like she likes to stand up for people and you like to stand up against people. Well people people who are or lake what we saw today or not today. But what we're talking about today would really make my blood bullies. No no I'm not. I'm very caring underneath this tough exterior Nicole so leaky this question this is from. I'm Michael and Michael Question. Giving last night's events If Dan gets eliminated what do you think are the ramifications for his place on the jury jury. Do you believe it will depend on. Whether he's voted out bows out or is removed. I don't well with the jury. We're talking about I mean I think it depends on the circumstances right. If you quit. You're you're not on the jury right quick. Well I I honestly. I don't remember if this if somebody has quick quit since Purple Kelly and been on the jury so I'm not not in the survivor Trivia. Jury very they were they were and I thought they changed the rule but I'm not sure if they've been forced it since then if anybody else has has everybody else has been like medically evacuated After the merge but I've gone back and forth about this and I think this ties into you know Dan staying in the game that I really. I think that they should have taken him out of the game. I don't think he should be allowed to continue. And I have been thinking about this a lot. The last last couple of days where he I was thinking like if he gets voted out. They can't let him stay at Ponderosa. No you should send. They should send him help. Yeah and I'm like well. If they should send them home from the jury from Ponderosa like they probably should send them home from the game and this is a good point and so I'm thinking about it and I'm like but in the game that I I really think that he should have been the one to say you know what not GonNa have. My name dragged through the mud. I I'm I'm not here for this. It's like I'm about that. I'm not for this. You guys are slandering me. And if he really was that that adamant that there there's nothing there was nothing wrong here you know I'm not GonNa be you know talked about in this way that at this is my this is my life and you know and and I think that there would have been like some digging in their right to walk to walk away from it uh-huh and I really feel like in terms of him the game player to leave this man in the game he is. Now the G- Proteus goat of all time right and and there's no reason to vote him out for the other for the game players right so now already don't believe I've what happened. He is unlikable He is he. has this terrible. Black cloud of stigma of like you know. He did what he did. And whether or not the players agree like okay. Well we're we okay with it or not. No one's GonNa give a million dollars and he's also a person person who is a person of means who nobody in the. There's not one person in a million survivor. Juries that would give this man of. Oh why would anybody vote him out. And so now that if I feel that the producers would we would see this and say to him. Dan Look why. Are you still hear that what. What's the better outcome? You go home. Go like leave the game. Leave the game. You take some take some dignity with you and just people are saying these things about you and and you should go like this the longer you stay the worst this is for everybody. You don't need this money that you're not gonNA win. You'RE NOT GONNA win and if by some mere you know that if by some miracle other players Greg your lifeless a car gifts to the final three this jury is going to destroy GonNa Destroy you. What's the upside to stay uh-huh and so I just think that there was. There's no reason why he should still be there I I really. I've really come back down to that. They've there was no there was no upside for for anybody involved to to keep him there. I don't know do you think that maybe this is a guy who was always in a position of power who always had to not worry about his name whether whether he did this in in his real life or not there was never any consequences. So why would there be consequences here. You know. This is not my place to speculate about what was going on in in the. I'm barely qualified. Talk about survivor and I I. It just seems like a guy that never had any consequences I don't know L. Neon. Oh I if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just has boundary issues. That I don't know this is this is not my area of expertise. Does he definitely was making people very uncomfortable. And it's just a matter of whether or not that they were able all to live with them like the people in question were able to live with it and overlook it to advance themselves in the game or not so oh Nicole. They're still playing a game well. And that's the the issue here where everybody is still very motivated by. HOW DO I? How do I advance further other into the game? And how do I use every piece of information at my disposal. People are playing hard people playing hard and we're deep into the game here rights. Right's right and it's it's the merge it's ver- it's I voted the merge You know it's very very tense. Situation Nicole Lenny bringing bring in another voice mail question. This was one that we actually got from. That was left for the podcast with Kelly. This is from one of our listeners. Claire but I didn't get to it with Kelly but I think it's actually a really good question and let me play this question. Claire Hi Robin Kelly. This is clam Cooley from Oxford in the UK. I don't know if it's Lakos. Marcy have a women on this week route. But it's appreciated that we can had vital contributions Shannon and the call unpack especially Kelly close to beating the Alpha manned in second chances production won't players hungry entire so they make bad judgment goes that makes good TV. So why did they leave it to the players to deal with something as serious systems behavior. Can shed any light in this very dark place. This is is my first time contributing within this community and it's because of how upset double upset me. Thanks have providing an outlet Nicole. You've been any thoughts on you. Who should make this decision about the WHO who should go home? I've watched the episode three times and we see that conversation Kelly with the producer and Kelly is talking about what the what the issue is with Dan. She also says during that conversation and you know it's just like in real life with a you know if the person that says something there's always repercussions and that's what happens in the real world so Kelly's talking about this and the producers are asking her. Hey like that shouldn't happen. That's not right. Let us know if you want us to do something. And she says says well. I think it's GonNa be okay because Janet is here and like well. You shouldn't have to deal with that and she's like no it's it's it's okay. So she's she's telling being the producer that now. I don't need the assistance yet. They have a meeting with everybody and it sounds like while the warning was given everybody else I mean nobody came out and said hey this is something that you know. This is somebody that we want to have a removed from the game. So let me bring in a comment from maybe an unlikely source the the Mayo Jar Nick. Marrano Kelly woolworth hates Mayo But shoots the Mayo Jar so hello. Nick had a tweet today that he said a third party. Authority is crucial for players entire wellbeing. Despite Medevac players players telling producers that they're fine. The doctor has the Authority on physical health. Psychologists should have an authority on mental health. If just the cause would be removed so I thought that was an interesting point where we see all the time survivor as the prize. For having. Yeah we've moved so we see this all the time with people that get hurt. I'm fine. I'm fine the rub some dirt dirt and it's fine. I think this is getting better offering me. I'M GONNA I'm good. I'm good and the they're willing to do anything to stay in the game and not affect their position position and not let the other players signal. I'm I'm I'm I'm leaving the game and so I- one it's the same thing like in the NFL where there was people get concussions. And then the teams couldn't be trusted to like the guy got his bell wrong and they put him right right back out there and they have to have a third party saying okay. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA put this person into the into the tent to have them looked at and should. Should there be mobile. I think there were arriving in an answer here but I feel like there should be somebody who's on the lookout for this type going forward there will be for sure. I mean this is something that is never that we know of happened on on survivor. And you know I was watching when I bet some may maybe not up to this degree where everybody we're all. The women are in agreement of like. Hey this is like this is definitely messed up. But I'm sure it's not the first time that somebody somebody who's been inappropriate with another player on survivor But when Kelly was talking to the producer and he was like you know I forget exactly what he said and she's like no no it's okay and I'm sure she was worried about the repercussions of what was going to happen if they spoke with him. And I'm sure she was very very concerned when they did when they did speak with him. Because there's always repercussions and if he was removed from the game then what was going to happen with her like is is everybody else GonNa be gonNA be mad Yeah that's a good point. So yeah they take they're gonNA take it out on her. That's just the way that it works out of the game and then it's her fault. That's that's why that's why in these situations people don't speak. I remember when I was nineteen years old. I worked in a bar and one of the bartenders would say like really inappropriate things to me and the owner. I was having a conversation with the owner and I just slipped out of my mouth. I was like yeah. He's really creepy and he's he's like what what do you mean. And then I froze like I can't say anything else because I don't want to get back to this guy and then him you know be mean to me okay or whatever it turned out that they fired him right on the spot but maybe that's what should have happened here. I don't know but there's always the repercussions that you're worried about. But I think you make a really good point that I haven't heard before of that if you don't Kelly says something and then. Dan gets removed from the gaming. Yes Dan Dow yes Dan. Dan is safe but you know one. He seems to be somewhat powerful person outside of who knows if that's on on her mind but also on top of that now you have that his whole alliance to you is coming. You know leave you. We saw how people came after Janet at that Second Tribal Council I would have to imagine well free at the trump accounts like oh it. We know it was you who said something about Dan and you did it just because you wanted you. Wanted him voted out. So you could get the numbers. At least she would've used her. I mean Nicklaus though that's why these idle because I think she would know at that point like Oh crap joke maybe maybe at that point. Yeah so but that's a really good point where then but I wonder. Is that even solves way through if we have like this third party. The WHO's there who is no you know what will solve this personal space. Keep your hands off other people if someone says they don't touch don't touch them if someone doesn't want to cuddle with you at night don't cuddle with them. Don't put your leg on them if you're married definitely don't do these things because now you're also disrespecting your wife so yeah you number number one. Don't be don't be horrible. Don't be horrible and they'll be gross and and and don't you know the violate other people in any way shape or form. We had to say these things to say this but if it does come up and and there is You know four I want to say a whistle blower but whatever you know the person. That's that's calling out like actually you. We've overheard this and it sounds like based on what this what does saying in her confessionals than we need to. We need to make a call here uh-huh and that's not it's not on Kelly right. You violated the rules you're out Yeah and especially where you steal something from somebody. You're outright. I don't know if you steal you back to them but if you hit somebody that's the rule and so especially at the point where we have the the footage where you know we we have the video evidence we have video evidence and I feel feel like that the mo the most damning of video evidence even though it was Kelly. That was the most uncomfortable was that I think that scene in the shelter where we saw where he's putting his hand on the on on the leg of MRI when she's sleeping. which seems like the most looks like this young girl you should know? That's not okay that is gross. Gross why are you playing with our toes. I don't know I don't know Nicole Alright. Alright kicked him in the face. Okay how about this one Nicole. Let me play you this question from McKenna Kenna from La wants to talk about Dan's a pseudo apology that tribal council. Hey Rod this is McKenna from Los Angeles. And I'm sure you're getting a lot of thoughts on this most recent episode but I'm just listening to the know it alls episode road with Shannon And you mentioned Dan Talking about how he's contrite he seems contrived at the tribal council and Dan Just for a different perspective. I was screaming. No at the TV during the entire Fake apology because is anyone who's ever been therapy can tell you that saying if you felt that way at least genuine apologies you can ever and non apology it completely removes you from being an actor who actually made the person feel that outweigh and it puts it on them. It puts it on the victim making them feel blamed for the way that they feel so that was already terrible and many negates. That whole thing by saying yeah you know. Because we're in such close quarters in the campaign Blah Blah and it was just I just in the so mad so so anyway I just wanted to put that out there. I'm really not looking forward to having to see him on the rest of this season and I'm all for all these deep conversations under seasons that we've been having the survivor season. It sucks that. We don't have Jamal to be the voice of reason anymore. I just hope Janet can make it through and win because she is Queen Thanks Rob McKenna. Okay there was a lot there yeah McKenna was the very very hey good. It wasn't even a question but it was a very good observation Nicole. Would you make of Dan's. I mean that's it's gas lighting rain. Guess lighting is when you you know. You're bad behavior is you're doing something bad. And you're making the other person think that they're crazy because like what I'm doing is normal. Yeah so it's just the non apology. Yeah I mean he just took zero responsibility like it was so insincere And it was. It was like an obvious annoyance to him to keep talking about it a a couple of times throughout the episode that when he talked with missy and Elizabeth and then at the tribal council he like that if I if I did anything that that made you still this last thing I would want so I if if I did anything I'm so I'm like my soul is broken in half. I if if if something happened that that if I did something that made you feel that way you there's a lot of fs. That was hard to watch. I know it's the non apology. The non not not taking responsibility for anything like he's he's gross Nicole how do we move forward now with the this. It's hard to move forward from this with Jeff. Arner and Zeke that it was kind of self contained it was not like that throughout throughout the whole season there was this looming threat or Jeff. Arner talking about how I'm going to have out zeke wages. Wait until it was all it. It was all in one show. I still don't understand why he did that. It's I don't know but that's a whole nother. That's a whole `nother thing and it happens and at least I like the the the the outing happened. And then there was like conversation about why this was bad and why this was wrong and that jeff kind of left like in like someone of of an okay. Okay no it was pretty hard on them at tribal council he was and then it was like. Oh my God what are they like. It was like that then. Unlike his head was down Jeff knew the severity of what was happening owner or probst probst at that time. No this time this this time around. What do you mean like a tribal council did you? Do you think Jeff really knew the severity of like the accusations in terms. uh-huh of what had actually happened. Yeah I think that he had he had been debris on on on all that. I mean I said this on the PODCAST podcast with Kelly in case you haven't heard it but I really felt like that. They did a real disservice by not letting Kelly Tribal Council because as the voice mailer who had called him with the original suggestion that it was just such a bad visual also also about to not to not let her speak where that this this whole situation is about women who are being silenced and and you really silence stirred relly had her sitting right there and she could have given a statement she could have said that must take an everything in her to not say anything. I don't think I could have done that. I don't know how she's wasn't you know because that somehow we went. I'm from the talking about you. Know the the man had gotten a warning and it seemed like Second Council it had it had evolved back back to well if it happened if if Kelly said something then you know if if if if I'm sure it didn't help that Elizabeth was like nope totally cool totally cool. You did nothing wrong. I'm good. I'm fine like that fed into his. If I did anything you know what I mean So so. She really did a disservice by by doing that. Yeah yeah so it was you know it did. It did feed into his fantasy. It's like Oh they say they say I was doing nothing wrong. Yeah they say it was it was it was good and so But they're also trying to protect their number. I saw that knew that their swap tribe of that like you know. Hey it's not. Don't go back to your two year old group Stick with the the With with the new group so they're like incentivized to protect him. Also because of this crazy game much like in real life that they get protected who gets protected the creep hands while the the yeah lots of different variants institutions and different and different like real life alliances and mix and stuff like that so yeah. It's it's not totally out of hand but Go back to the Varner and Zeke. I'm sorry that you off on that but that was over one night and it was over and now Dan is still is still there and now how how do you go. So how do we continue on with the season and then we still have if if this happened and he got removed. Say but like okay. This was this was terrible herbal. Did they handle it. Okay we'd have a lot of the same questions but it would be okay now every time we move on from him. This is what we see. We see nothing else but that how do we watch him if he has a family visit. I don't you know what every time he's on the screen. How do you think of anything else? Besides that that and it's just going to be really rough. And how does he get voted. I don't see how he gets out. I don't see how oh he doesn't get to the final three. This is a gross story. It's not it's like bring me back to the they should just just take. They should just take him out. There was no that for a variety of reasons that I don't know how how to get there and wool. I'm sure it'll come up in these conversations later on the podcast. Maybe Karma will come back and he'll trip over a twig crack his head open wish bodily harm removed. hangnail could be could come. I'm in Handy. Yes yeah they should have at that point said like Hey Looks like getting infected. Dan Poss Yeah. I think we might have to x-ray evacuated mainland. Looks like it's not gonNA work out. We're just get him out of there. Yeah because that I that why what what. What was the reason? Why for any person involved with this? Why they they wanted and I know that there are some people that feel like oh the production of data they wanted? They wanted me to story why. That's why this is all happening. I don't think so and I know that that's that that is an opinion. That's out there but I cannot imagine in a post Les Moonves race. CBS That anybody any any executive with the show or at the network mark would have been like Oh yes dear into the sexual harassment storyline. Make sure make sure you really we get our money's worth out of sexual harassment on survivor survivor. This is the last thing that they would that they would have wanted on the show. I'm going to believe they want what's best for their contestants has since I'm really going to believe that and I think that they just didn't know what to do the conversation from last week about hey is it. Is it sexist exist to assume that. The women have a women's Alliance and by the way Spoiler alert there is no women's Alliance. Okay the women do not have each other's backs mess but just in like that conversation. Yeah that's the kind of stuff they they want they want gotTa have that in in the show and they want the do rag Jesse Jackson Jamal. Yes that you know. People are people are having conversations. People people are learning a and and I do think that they're you know they tried to get to that. In that second driver counsel I do think that they were trying to south but it in no way did they. Did they want this to be the case and I don't think they want lawsuits either right of course they they don't want look i. I really believe and the whole legal team working on this stuff. This is not what they want. People people the attack me for being too pro survivor I love survivor. Survivor has given me everything in in my life I have. I don't work for survivor. I gave you your children. Yes but survivor gave you to me. I love the long story that that you know I. I don't mean to say that that that I have you know that that I don't i. Don't don't get me in trouble this week. Nicole WanNa know what I'm saying. Is that Nicole. Knew me for several years. It's before it was on survivor and it wasn't until I went on survivor. That Nicole started talking to me so true story. Yes okay so in a way when you put it like that all of the positive things in my life in somehow have been born out of a out of this show so I have a A. I love for the game the game of survivor. I do believe that the people that make the show do how have the that. I have the best interests of the contestants. They want they. They want everybody to come out and have a good experience that and they don't want to put what people in bad situations they the they would not want Kelly to be harassed that did they do a good job up with this. I think they got caught. I think they did A. I think that they did not do a good job with this but I don't feel like that. They are bad people who make the show that makes it that I I know that it's like faceless producers they're evil and there and I don't think it's the it's the case I believe the people that make the show also loves survivor and they love the contestants that play survivor and they're trying. They're trying to do the right thing. Even though they screwed this up yeah what a unit what are you GonNa do. Okay Nicole this it is true. I didn't I didn't even talk to you until survivor gave me to you. You have you know you are my possession Nicole. You're also very say about Jamal this week. I loved your Ma. Everybody needs Jamal to right. We need everybody needs a Janet and Jamal the JJ's yeah so Wendell had tweeted cast more Jamal. Jamal is one of a kind for real. The only there's only one Jamal. He is like a piece of gold. Yeah he's a he. He was incredible. Can you come over here. I don't I yeah. I don't know where he lives. I'm hoping that we have an interview coming up early next week. And now it's like the other double Gut Punch. Also that just real quick on on Kelly. Also that I forget this who looks like my guy no okay not we talked about this we did. Yes I on the cast assessment. Okay I said I have to like her. She looks exactly like my gynecologist. Okay but that being said that forget all the a harassment storyline that I was down on. Kelly's move from a week ago but knowing that she was going to get voted off at the merge she made the right move she made the right move movie hanging out when she played idle for Dean. Remember deem yes. I know a Lotta happened in survivor and cal. Kelly Kim is is also an all star. She will her end Jamal they they will both be back. They will be the new Boston. Robin Sandra both their faces an the key. Kelly will be back not because of what happened with Dan L. E. Kelly is an all-star based on the her accomplishments from before any of this happen and Janet to even Boston Rob gave her gave her some problems on Yup. Yeah I really I really wish that that Boston rob and Sandra Coulda had a word with Dan. What do you think is Sandra? Could've baby straighten this outright standard of shut down and smarten up. Yeah Yeah boss. Rob Has four four daughters that he's not gonNa have any time for this. I really feel like that instead of screwing over Jamal Coulda done something productive with Robin Sandra during all this and we didn't really see much of them in the in their booth during this whole thing. Yeah yeah they didn't cut to too see much. They're actually. They probably tried to sneak out while this was all going on. All right Nicole anything else that you want to say about this a very emotional week of survivor. I'm glad that we can have a discussion about this because it needs. These things need to be Said said we women need voices and people need to hear us So I think this is. This is really great and this is giving people you you know a platform to speak and I think that's really really important. Okay Nicole did you see a lot of coverage about this outside of the normal survivor channels. No okay all right. I know you're avid consumer of all news. Actually no I have given up costs of magazines. I do do not read any of that stuff right and then Nicole before we let you go free. Kick me out kicking. You're you're you're welcome to to stay for the other interviews. LemMe thank one of our sponsors. I know this is one of your favorites Nicole key week. Oh of course. Kiwi Co is the a subscription box. That's for parents to get for their kids. which are super cool hands on projects for kids to make learning about steam fun? That science technology engineering our math Nicole. You're on the Kiwi Co boxes before they were even sponsor says is that is a true story. What do you like about the Kiwi Co boxes? I like that it gives me an hour of them. Not Bothering me. 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Every day counts when it comes to making a difference. Don't miss out on this amazing opportunity. GO TO KIKO DOT dot com slash rob and get your first month for free. That's it Ki- week okay. I W I C O Dot Com Slash Rob Nicole Nicole thank you for bringing all of your insight and experience and feelings into this conversation. Real really appreciated. She aided you talking about all this. Well thank you for inviting me to call you know. Thank the survivor. God's for bringing bringing me into your life because of this this of the thirty nine seasons of the show that is on the top of my list God all right Nicole thank you so much later are switching hanging gears a little bit. I WANNA welcome in another guest to this conversation and very excited to talk to this woman who has been a recurring occurring guests on the podcast. We've also heard from her on Robin Akiva need a podcast as well that you know her. As Dr Amanda Rabinowitz she is a psychologist and also a member of the survivor. PHILADELPHIA CAST. Amanda how are you. Oh I'm great. Thank you so much for having me on to talk about this and coming off of the Premier Night of survivor Philadelphia and I just had a big party with the cast last night so this is a timely opportunity for an appearance and I saw you post on facebook that survivor Philadelphia. Adelphia Nice Pallet cleanser from where we are right now in survivor island of the idols. Right right highly recommended if you want some just you now good old fashioned survivor with no content warnings in you need a little break to check out survivor Philadelphia on Youtube. Yeah made it. Could you take us through your reaction to how this all went down on Wednesday as Nicole and I were talking about that. I think like the show did a great job of letting viewers know that this is what they were getting into. Yeah yeah think some for asking I need. I think we had the content warning at the beginning and and I don't know I can't draw to mind historically how many other three times that happened so I did have the sense that this was going to be. You know a more sensitive episode in some scenes were going to come up that might be A little bit challenging and then as we started to see and I think that that prepared me for what we saw in the first half of the episode assode that we saw you know that Kelly is becoming more uncomfortable. She's talking to the producer we sort of break the third wall. All in the producer gets involved The first tribal council happens in voted out in that you know and that was all hard to watch. I think in terms of my first person experience going through it When Janet at the point that Janet Decides to Change Your vote in that she wants to vote out Dan to to protect the younger women? I actually got choked up at that point in the episode. Because I think that you know there I could definitely think of times in my life where I wish that there had been a woman like Janet from that generation. Who could you step in protect a me e so that was a really moving piece? But I didn't feel prepared for what happened in the second part of the episode. Where you know the be the whole issue goes from being something where we saw Kelly's reaction to something that was happening with Dan and then to to getting head of manipulated into something else in seeing the rest of the tribes sort of gas? Lay that Janet's experience back with the piece where I didn't didn't feel like I was fully prepared for the show is delaying so as a person who was watching this all unfold. A Oh where. Where was your anger directed? So I think it's interesting because I see the in some of the reactions from the Fan Community and people have a lot of anger and that's really understandable reaction. I think that you know what what we saw. In terms of Dan's oblivious to the way that he was affecting Kelly and what we saw from the other members of the cast and what we saw from the way. CBS handled it. I think that there is blame to go around. If you'd like to be angry but I I didn't feel as angry as I was watching it as I felt bad because nothing that I saw in that episode Shocking or struck me as surprisingly rare I think that those are dynamics. That are really really common. So I think it's easy to be angry at any piece of that Lincoln that chain with CBS. Or if it's the cast or or if you know any individuals behavior but I felt a little bit more just disappointed and aware of how much more how much further we have to go more. Somebody like the situation like that will actually be the widely as unacceptable in that show like survivor would be equipped to handle it. Because I don't think that they were equipped to handle it. Yeah I agree. What's interesting is As we get a few more days away from this that I do feel like that this was a completely Lee unique experience for us. You know culturally to be able to see this unfold because I know that we you know. It's been so much in the news over the last couple of years of me to all stories of sexual harassment. But I can't think of another time where we've seen it sort of unfold not necessarily in real time but we see the person being uncomfortable. I see somebody like a pushing the boundaries and we see how that unfolds unfolds. And then we see you know the complaint and also the The woman you know talking to her peers about this and how this how the reactions wins unfolded and it sort of is. I think kind of interesting that we've I can't recall a time that we would have seen in this kind of scenario. Play out where it's a scenario. That's not unfamiliar to people but to see almost every part of it is i. I think kind of unique to this right right. I think that's an excellent point rob and I think that that's link you know as as tough as it is in as much as I think. Think there's fair criticism to be placed. CBS survivors feet here. I mean the reason that I think that this show has power that these social moments moments can be. impactful is because it is a unique opportunity where you know. Of course. We don't have complete information but because it's a show on there's cameras we actually actually are able to see all these different sides and one of the things that I was struck by. is you know you see Aaron's reaction at Tribal Council Council to saying that he doesn't believe the legitimacy of the of of the complaints about Dan and that if there was something he would have known and I think that from his perspective a we know as the viewers because we see the footage we see the tape. We have Kelly's one-on-one confessionals we see how how hurtful and how invalidating in how insensitive of errands comments are and I think Erin saw that too when he saw the show and you can see in his apology You know how how devastated he is that he was in that role but I think that the the the real introspective thing that we can do as viewers. This is think about how in a situation where I don't have complete information where maybe the incentives lineup. So that I would. I don't want to think the I about Dan. You know either because it's something strategic or because there's it's uncomfortable for me. Socially we can be easily lulled into thinking that into minimizing the legitimacy of this type of a complaint because it is uncomfortable to acknowledge it and it is even more uncomfortable comfortable to stick your neck out and do something about it particularly if it could put either your career at risk or in the game in survivor could put your game in risk. And I think we've probably find ourselves in those situations a lot more than we are aware of that we would like to admit no mandated from a psychological G- logical perspective that. I do think that we see this a lot. In real life where people tend to believe a claim. Amy More likely if the person who's making the claim is aligned with Whatever their causes or whatever their beliefs are do you? You think that that had any part to do with this where that it was. Kelly was coming from the sort of a minority alliance of the people that were her. Numerous in the minority Where the people that were on her side where the people that were from the tribe that she had just come from from whereas the people that were working against our were the people that were very much you know not so much believing her intentions or her claim right right right yet? This is a phenomenon that is called cognitive dissonance. And it's basically it's a state state arises whenever your attitudes your behaviors or your beliefs are not all in line. So if for example I'm You know let's say I'm Laurin in this situation and I know that I've seen Dan. Do you know I've north seen Dan back in a creepy way unwelcome way to women. I've experienced But I believe that keeping Dan in the game is better better for my long term prospects and behavior is I know that I'm GonNa Vote Kelly out that night. You're you're in a state of tension where those three three things don't line up and so what people do when they find themselves in these situations is they end up shifting on to minimize that discomfort art by either changing their beliefs or changing Their behavior in some way and so we see a lot. It's been studied in politics. Politics like if somebody for example votes for a politician lines up in their interest in one way but not another way. Then they'll say something like Oh oh will they don't really believe that or they're saying this for some other reason you try to create something that makes the story okay and I think that what these players found themselves in a situation relation was where they were playing the game of survivor. They were doing something for strategic reasons and that choice was probably conflicting with what what their moral feeling was about the right thing to do And in order to ameliorate that discomfort they had to find a way of saying well. This probably isn't as bad as it seems like. It is Um you know the either Kelly was just misrepresenting her her true feelings because he was manipulating me in the game or maybe I didn't feel as uncomfortable in this situation as I had thought I was before. So it's this kind kind of mental gymnastics that we do too so we can do ourselves as consistent people with a consistent set of beliefs and it's not something that only weak people do not something that only bad people do. It's something that everybody is susceptible to some degree and it happens a lot in our you know real lives and just you know. Politics is very polarizing but Just in terms of if I if I pretty much would believe You know any lead story. You told me about the New York Yankees. I think I'd be very very much by the same news about a player on the Mat. Well no you have to give them the benefit of the doubt and I think that's right man being being. That's being grossly exaggerated no. Nobody uses performance enhancing substances exactly. Yeah I mean and this is the the and this is where I think you hear some of the discussion around how like it's And Jeff says this in tribal council that you know that the things that we do in our real life conflict with the game of survivor and I think that that's true to some degree because survivor is really the heightened version of this sort of zero some social game that we find ourselves in in real life but I think it's probably a over-simplification to say that the that survivor pushes people outside of their general moral framework. Because you know the truth is like sometimes you know there is only one person is going to get that promotion or there is only one person who's going to get this kind of opportunity and or or you know or we're competing for Somebody's attention we're competing or something in terms of our careers are our financial stability. So we're constantly in these circumstances where we have intended to behave a certain way But we also have to recognize that we are part of a larger society and make those decisions according to something that we feel. Oh comfortable with. Survivor is certainly a heightened version of that and so many ways. But I don't think that it's a totally different kind of a scenario that we would never encounter in real life. So what do you think that survivor needs to do differently. From the way that this this particular scenario was handled. So I've been thinking a lot about this and I think that survived. Her has certainly learned learned a lot. So I I WANNA start by giving them some credit because you know this this recent episode is not the first time beats kind of themes have come up on the show that we've seen and I'm sure it's not the first time that these teams have come up in things that we haven't seen so if I if we look to the historical examples of things like Sue Hawk in Richard Hatch or Ted in Gambia. I think that this was an improvement comment above and beyond that in that I think this show did take some care in supporting Kelly's story on on. And we saw that the producers were willing to intervene but this is not good enough and I think that I. I'm hopeful that this will be a wakeup call for survivor. There needs to be a very very clear set of conditions for removal from the game and and it needs to be considered the same way that I think I haven't played Rob. Maybe you can speak to this but if there's physical violence between players. I'm sure were that. Survivor has a protocol in place. That it's like okay. This is how we handle this. This is how we ensure safety And I think that this has to have the same kind of guidelines of people are aware of and then the second that this comes up and we saw evidence of this in the first episode. That's the point which you know a warning would be appropriate and then anything beyond that I think has to have consequences. That have already been made clear to Dan. End made clear that this is the protocol if we see this again right I feel like that on the violence. Front of the the way that Brandon hance dance was removed from the game in survivor. Care Moen and a lengthy reddit thread about this topic Beck which References the the brand hands Thing that I was reading yesterday. I think that that's probably the closest we've seen to a player who is okay. Brands didn't punch anybody but he was becoming increasingly violent and the players were it to a person on that on that group they were sort of united and like. Hey we're we're all we're all scared and you know that in this instance and so like the there did not seem to be like there was not that consensus where I think. It's a little more complicated. Where had had all the women said like? Hey we're we're actually really creeped out by Dan and you know we think we think you know something needs to be done. Then I think that they would. They would have pulled him in that. An instance but right it just was murky where they had these. They had these complaints but based on what what we saw from that conversation from Kelley and what it seems like how the other players were feeling that there was not the consensus where that the women have gotten together. Were any of the players that hey we are uncomfortable with what's going on here whereas with Brandon hands like there definitely was that consensus right. I mean and it can't be done run by consensus because I mean everybody is going to have a different experience. It could be one person is targeted people at different comfort levels. And all of that is okay. A it seems like an. I think that this is probably harshly a On Dan but it seems like there was room that whatever warning happened was ambiguous enough in. Maybe he just didn't WanNa hear and so it didn't sink in the warning probably didn't also didn't come at the right. Hi Hi So I mean but I would have to think like you know if somebody was only a physical threat You know in terms of some other type of aggressive act against one person. I don't think that the consensus rule like is is uh Is a necessary component of like. We gotta get this person out of the game. uh-huh yeah yes. Of course you know I think it would be like more like in in in that one to one and this is like it's it's definitely it's definitely not the same thing but if there was like somebody had pushed somebody but then they said I don't like when they pushed me but don't leave the don't leave the game. I think it it would be a similar sort of you know. We don't know what to do. I think survivor was probably prepared for in as much as they've ever talked talked about this like. Hey somebody. Blatantly is a committing a sexual misconduct we. Yeah we'll personality here but this was a situation where there were two seemingly a number of small infractions that were making a number of people uncomfortable and I think that they did not know be prepared for that situation and this is like just and this is I think one of the Challenging Ellen James Things about this topic in general and when I see people getting very concerned about like how will well I mean you know so. Is it okay to shake. Somebody's hands and okay to give somebody like I did this thing one time. Is that okay and people start worrying that. There's you know that because any kind kind of Of Sexual Innuendo or physical contact could be construed as as unwanted that all of a sudden in this. Is this minefield out there where people are unwittingly going to be sexually assaulting in and harassing people You know Adams unknown oblivious way But I think that if we look at this particular example we can see that. That's that that's it's probably not as much of a concern as some people may worry about You know this resistance where you know. Kelly seems like she. I mean mean and these other women to the extent that they also had complaints. They were comfortable with the idea that they're honest survivor. There sleeping next to people. I'm sure that other people people were kind of brushing up against them. Or you're in close quarters at those things happen. Kelly specifically told Dan things. Like I don't like it when you you touch my hair. He's sticking on me right double your so I think there was. I think anybody who is actually being conscious of listening coming to be trying to be respectful of other. People isn't going to repeatedly walk into accidentally sexually assaulting people. I I think this this is an example where you can see the tape that you know she said I don't like that. I don't like that and I think that you know most people would get the message at that point nine and for whatever reason he didn't So while I think it can be a murky line you know Kelly. I think that one of the other things that was actually you know like I said. I don't think anything that we saw was especially rare or uncommon with the exception of the fact that Kelly on and also Jamal were extremely courageous in articulate in the way that they shed light on these issues in Kelly's case I she talked directly to Dan. About how what you're doing makes me uncomfortable. So that was an opportunity for him to change his behavior. This way. Jamal had had a conversation with Jack about. You said something to me that I if it affected me this way and make an sticking taking out your neck and doing that especially in the context of a social game is is really risky and I I was just so impressed S. with the poise and the eloquence with which they both were able to talk about the issues. That were personal Tamminen. Jamal being able to stand up and explain to Aaron you know what how how how this cycle of of uh-huh continued. A you know how this cycle can continue when people mistrust. Somebody's Report of their experience. So I'll you know. I think that they did a great job in doing that. But in terms of house survivors should pick up from here. I think that there have to you know as part of preparing for the game and there has to be a clear mechanism by which somebody can report anything that makes them physically uncomfortable and that production action than has a protocol they step into. The behavior isn't adjusted immediately. Then it's a survivors decision. It's not a player's players decision When somebody gets removed from the game so the first warning should be at the point where you know? He's putting his head John Kelly in the beginning of the game and Molly's uncomfortable and they're talking to Janet and that conversation sort of like okay. That's that's the first flag and it has that comes up the second time around later on at the merge or when he's with missy and Elisabeth even before we get to the merge that's when we're going to see then okay that's that's it I think so I mean I think it was. I think it was. It was impressive that Kelly wanted to handle it herself with Dan. I think that showed A lot of maturity and poise and respect for her. You Know Bello try made and she talked about it with Dan but then I think that production also steps in and says says okay. This is going to be treated as a formal complaint That you're being inappropriate and if we see this behavior repeated Ben removal from the game as a consequence consequence and that it becomes I think the Dan was allowed to sort of excuse his behavior that there were there were opportunities -tunities for him to you know say that okay. Well it's not that big a deal or you know maybe not take Kelly seriously And then and so at the point where it comes up I mean he he. He's would seemingly shocked that it was as big of an issue as it was and I think that that that is something that can happen in a. He said she said type of situation. Which is why there needed to be greater authority? That was in there that was is backing up Kelly story and that was saying you know this is something that we take seriously And this is the consequence Yeah I do think that there were where some viewers who came away from the episode the other night thinking that day and Governor raw deal that not a lot of people in our community but I would say that in terms of like the overall you know Six million seven million people who watched the episode like. I'm sure there there were some some people who came away with thinking like that. Dan Did get railroaded right. I don't doubt it and thankfully didn't seek it out good on I mean. I'm sure I'm sure that that is I mean this is I think that this is And I think that that is extremely telling N. Y.. You know survivor went through the pains of trying to back up. Each one of Kelly's complaints complaints with the footage that supports it. But I think that because We live in. I mean we live in a culture that not too long ago. I think that you know the probably the majority of the viewership in the head in Gonda incident or in the Hawk or Richard Hatch incident then had came away with somewhat of a negative opinion of the women who brought complaints Yom. So so we you know that. And that's still there. That still exists. That element is not completely cleanse from our culture but thankfully I think we've moved to a point ain't where the you know. There is at least a large portion of the viewership is completely supportive of where Where Kelly was coming from? But let you know that and this is why that like that all of those claims when it's when it's one players word against another there needs to be a greater authorities stepping in to say that you know we are. We are in no uncertain words condemning this behavior. And we're not going to allow it to happen. Amish Al Yeah Eight. It's the two historical examples that you cited like the Ted in Gandhi thing is probably the closer example and that was treated as like. Oh God is being crazy that this is this wacky thing that ended up happening and and I believe it was referred to as grind gate at the time where I was not treated in a serious manner in two thousand as an three and then the Sue Hawk thing I think was kind of a weird one where it took kind of a few days to play Out where there was the moment where Su Su was trying to pass rich on obstacle course and of course he was doing the obstacle cores naked and then there was like an attack zone and he like rubbed against her to try to humiliate her in some way because yes they had been rivals from their former season and so at the time and she was sort of like laughing about it as it happened where then she went back to the camp and then had a shift a how she was processing. It and I think that at the time there was a lot of talk of like. Oh they're assu she's trying to you. She wants a settlement. She's this is her payday. She can't win the game so she's trying to get money out of this whole thing and that's that's how it was reported at the time and I think that would I do not think it would be reported the same way in two thousand nineteen eighteen as it was in two thousand and four but it took it took like it was a whole episode later. Where then it Richard? A got a voted got it out and then in the next episode. That's when Sue Hawk was really trying to process it and because it wasn't like she didn't like recoil like in the real real time a lot of people don't like that was oh that that's so weird but you don't know what what's going on in her life where that she would have that reaction days later you know why. She acted the way she did right. I mean absolutely and Jamal even mentioned this when he speaks speaks at tribal council. That like you know it's it's not always the case that you would you that these assumptions that like Oh if somebody's victimhood hud is legitimate than they would have reported it right away. They would have behaved a certain way. In the immediate aftermath these people would have known this is this is a sequence winsome events that happens when people are telling the truth and you know that's not true. I mean people use humor as a defense mechanism in the moment of challenge challenge. When something is happening maybe she laughs it off? But you know I think it's it's not There's nothing to me. It's incredulous about having the feeling of like completely naked person rubbing up against you for the purpose of the mill being Y-y-you for that to sink in over time time and to have an emotion At a true like a completely valid emotional effect so the fact that the fact that we at least come to the place where I think that we have more of a maturity and nuance and empathy for women and an inclination to. They treat their experiences as valid. I think that I think that I can say that. We have at least come that far and I can say for the show that they at at least seem to understand that they were dealing with something in this episode. That was very sensitive. I don't know if they were. I don't know if they were prepared for the reaction to the episode that they got in. I don't I don't know I can't really speak eight to that but I'm told me so I I. I don't know if they knew how to prepare for this right because because I think that to me the the most discouraging thing would be if they feel if they leave this episode thinking well we did everything we he could we you know. We showed the production interfere. Like I I think some of what they some of what they tried to accomplish in the episode was probably self serving in terms of Chicago showing that we covered this. We were aware that we took it seriously. But I think the people. We're having a reaction that that wasn't enough so I'm hoping that a art in the take something away from that. I think that they needed to pull him him. In in terms of like you to present this story and then to and and into not pull him at the end of this two hour episode I think that put them. I'm in a much more precarious position to be able to talk about this moving forward. Where hey this thing happened? We dealt with it and we took him. We took these measures and we took Dan out of the game but costs that we couldn't. We couldn't continue on with this but the fact that it just lingers that is this cloud over whatever happens moving forward that he's still there that I think that it's it's very hard to be able to get out in front of this and that this issue is still lingering. Yeah he's still there and it it also putts you know and it's also put I think Elizabeth and Missy in a position where they're really going to bear air the brunt of the viewer outrage over this which I think is unfortunate and while you know I don't you know again. I don't think we he can condemn the behavior in no uncertain terms. I think that we can be unhappy with them and disappointed in the way they handled the situation. But to the extent that it's pulling it to the extent that it's that it's taking away the Some of the some of the focus from what actually happened between Kelly and Dan which I think is a real problem and to the extent that you know that that that it's that it's that it's creating this sense sense that well there were false accusations in that this is one dimension of how these things happen. I think that's unfortunate that that that that's become an aspect of this And like I said I think that it's fine to be angry but I think that the greater point that we can glean from this is that you know when we don't have complete information and we never do. It's easy for people to WHO You know to behave in a way that you know that that that minimizes how impactful in serious situations can be Yeah and we've seen you know missy and Elizabeth both post lengthy apologies as well in addition to The apology allergy. That came from air and No apology from Dan. Nobody's no mess. No word from Dan. They'll statement yeah and I mean I I don't know if there's I don't know if there's anything that we that we want or need from Dan and I I'm personally a happy for him to just go away hung but it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be rough that he's that he's still on the show. Yeah I don't I just I don't like I understand that the you know there's an integrity of of the game issue and it would be unprecedented unprecedented but for for what reason what. Why why? Why are we keeping him? What what what is he bringing to the table table in? It's like I can't see there being a voice in the room In production in terms of like. Yeah but he's The star of the show we here you know. What would we do without him I he is there? Are there these issues. It's so it's so much ugliness. Ns like the the the the show even if they mishandled it to this point. Had you know Jeff probst then Dan you know. Oh Dan you know what. Get the Hell Outta my tribal council. You know I feel like the show would have gotten some definitely that would have been Cathartic to see him removed. In that way. I I just. I don't know what the what the defense offense was to. We have to keep them in the game. Because hey it's survivor and that and unless you're voted out or Medevac and you know you get the stay right now the Integra the integrity of the game thing I mean this is what has come up and you know and people get removed from the game for different reasons. I I think that that should have been the move. The point in tribal council where he gets up in uses Nora as a prop to show the way that he touches women. It's like it's clear at that point that he didn't get it and you know it's always easier not to act and do something like that than it is to do that. But I think it's another illustrative point that You know the Integrity of survivor was held on a pedestal. As this thing that's more important than than women's his physical safety. You see this a lot. You know that. The the example of a man's reputation. We need to be more careful with that than we. You need to be careful with women's physical safety or we need to be more careful with the integrity of a game show. We need to be careful with a woman's physical safety You see the thin like when we talk about you know. This is part of how these situations are rampant in in. You know in you know you you mentioned sports or academia or these silos where there's a greater thing that we're doing this in service of and that that the reputation of of that That broader institution is more important than the the safety and comfort of the women who are part of it. So you know I I totally. You don't have empathy for how difficult it is to make these calls in real time time for a variety of reasons but you know I hope that this is something that You know at least survivor can learn from. Maybe it's something that more of us can learn from and because these things can be so murky in real time Being extremely thought fall in preemptive breath and having clear protocols in place because when people are put in these difficult situations it it. It's very easy to be lulled into doing the easier. More comfortable thing and that is exactly the type of thing that just perpetuates this type of behavior but Amanda the the integrity of the game is so important right now and Survivor because I mean also were also. Jamal can find a string in the far now. Jamal you lose your vote. But here's a Crayon and give it to somebody else I I mean we have. The game is of the utmost importance. Yeah at this point it's hegarty three bring in Underwood on a helicopter and have him beat everybody in a fire making twist and then he can be the winner of survivor. Thirty nine Please please that has to be this way. We cannot deviate from this the integrity integrity of the game. So yeah I just like the with more we get out from this. I just like more dumbfounded that you now now what I. What was the argument to to keep him? Yeah it was a bad call it really was and I think that the and I think that they did it probably because they wanted to take their cues from Kelly you know and I think think this is why. I think this really illustrates why that model that it should be incumbent on the complainants to make the decision and I think that it that it that it makes it really really clear how that model is insufficient. I can see it. Being a common sense thing that they would have felt comfortable with but Um but for all of the reasons that we're talking about it's it's not the right way to handle it okay. Amanda any other thoughts about everything that's going on with the show right right now. We'll yeah now. I think that that's Eh. I mean Janet Janet for the win now. I think that that's why we have so for four. But yeah we'll make it. Maybe we'll just do more Robin Sandra spend more time on island. Idols watching them. Build the shelter Out there that would be That'd be good at like. They have like a break at the island of the idols. Dell's that they could send Dan off to could he go. Let's go be in solitary for the rest of the show along scene where we go from here on. We'll we'll see where we go from here. Okay that you're a part of the survivor Philadelphia if anybody wants to check Could you give us the quick pitch on why people should check out survivor Philadelphia. Here's why people to check it out because if you're a fan of the wand off off were the survivor Philadelphia's produced and hosted and created an always here by the grace of the Great Alex G If I'm not a big enough draw we also have a Bryce Isaiah and Wendell Holland Competing in survivor Philadelphia of lots severe weather luminaries from the H. J. P. Community like the Jason Curtis Rivera. Oh No it's yeah it's really fun. 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I'll just ignore it so that's kind of that's kind of where that comes. Perhaps okay all right well thank you for joining us and Sharing your wisdom on a very difficult conversation but I think that these conversations are are definitely helpful right now I I appreciate. All you're doing to have does tough conversations and to bring in different voices in years even a great job covering this rob all right. Well thank you so much and all the best take care of our thank you Dr Amanda Rabinowitz to join us to talk about everything. That's going on next up. We're going to talk with Sarah Channon about her thoughts on everything from survivor this week but before we get to that got one other piece of business that we need to take care of. I want to thank our sponsors over her. At Society Six society six is a brand new sponsor and is perfect for people that are looking for thoughtful. Unique gifts this holiday season. You should check out society six available online go to F. 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Listen that Sarah is going to talk about some personal experiences that she had in the interview and so I know a lot of people are very raw and emotional right now and so just putting you in the right head space. Sarah is going to talk about a personal experience that she had in my conversation ashamed with her which she does a really great job so just giving you a heads up about what's to come all right everybody. Let's talk up to another guest here today about this situation going on with survivor. She is a longtime contributor to you. Rob Has a website dot com the great survivor blogger. Please welcome in Sarah Chattan. Sarah how are a you know great but yet for a number of reasons right you are kind of under the weather also yes. I am very much channeling my Stephen Fishbach and not quitting despite the gastrointestinal distress. Yeah okay. Well sorry let's see here as we were writing back and forth about its stomach bug going around at your house but that I had said Hey. Do you want to your your purses back and you said No. I feel very strongly a really. WanNa talk about this and you are. You're one of the first people that I thought of when I said who can I get a to talk about everything that happened this week on survivor. And you have been so vocal in the past just about talking about different issues whether they are dealing with a women and different minorities and how they've been treated on survivor and also a very long time strategy blogger in terms of the show. So I felt like that you were able all to cover this from every single angle. You I know for me. That's a very personal angle to this as well. Which I'm sure is the case for the women out there So it was very important to me too. I'm very appreciative. This platform that phone this week. Because it's GonNa be quite Cathodic me to get to talk about Louis. Thank you so Sarah. What was it that was was top of mind that you wanted to talk about most okay so I think one of the things that really strikes likes me about this particular form of sexual harassment than is it's of what I describe? Describe US than nothing happened does arise so this isn't like grab them by the Pussy kind of thing use language uh-huh There's no obvious ministration occurring no hands a wandering to private Tre It's it's it's just a series of touches over time and it is very possible that he doesn't do it as anything wrong. I believe too many episode where he was totally baffled. Why and this was coming up? I may be great actor but I do believe he genuinely doesn't perceive what he's doing wrong. I also think this is going to come up. Alison cast interviews that out Dan. He wasn't doing anything bad. It just made some people uncomfortable so yes so when one touching women without crossing and different line is very difficult to handle in a consistent way of senior ought to people saying of production You know they have the footage they could see this happening. Why didn't they just remove them from the game as well when maybe they did? Do not see this happening until they went back and looked in light of what the lie in light of. Kelly's confessional everything I I think it kind of crept up on them without fully realizing so yet I want to make it clear it is sexual harassment when were even if he didn't intend it even if he was being completely innocent tinsmith to patients with touching these women. If we're going to look at what's ethical. We consider our intentions but our impact on others. So yeah it's it's definitely sexual harassment. Even if he's not touching breasts or whatever yeah and so then we were talking about the question of is he just being touchy feely. which is Qalat honest affectionate guy? He likes to touch people all. Is he creating excuses to touch women. perhaps without fully realizing what he's doing this. I want to talk about my own experience with this. So this happened. When I was fifteen and invoked a man it would have been wildly inappropriate for him to do anything with me so he didn't do anything with me He he just created excuses to touch me full body contact and I said no I protested and I was Burbot Louis verbally and physically coerced into playing along. And you get nothing happened. There was nothing I could point to to say this definitively wrong but it felt wrong and I was uncomfortable and but I remember from that. Time was both baffled old that he was doing this but baffled by his behavior why is he doing this and just utterly confused just as to how to stop it. Because I couldn't I couldn't say anything. There was nothing I could point to saying. You shouldn't be doing this and yeah and looking back on it. I always have a lot of anger over it that he was so caught up in. You know finding excuses of in these legitimate ways to indulge. Whatever he wanted to indulge without considering me at all you know I was very much objectified And Yeah it's it's the kind of thing I never. I didn't really think he was ever going to do you. Anything to me so never felt in danger but I did not enjoy it and it was extremely stressful for me to try and figure figure out how to do with an and you know most angry though people who could have intervened and they didn't and perhaps that was. Because I wasn't an expert was saying I don't know I don't know why it worked out the way it did. And you know the long term effect the fat was that I would. I was never again myself in a room alone. Sir Thank you for sharing all that with us and Really appreciate you being so open and Telling your story Roy D do You. Do you feel like that. You wish you would have handled it differently at that time. I think when you're fifteen and this is is really one of the first instances. I had somebody being physically attracted to me intrigue me that way. I don't know what what I could have done differently I wish in retrospect that had been somebody. I could talk to about it because I didn't feel able to talk about tip because you know nothing but it's it was tremendously difficult on. It was why I I was so glad in the premiere episode to see Janet. Talk to Kelly about what she was going through an coverage coverage her just tool to Dan about tell him which of course node did. Although Dan said taking it on board he did not seem to stop again. I think that points. Dan Not realizing what he's doing but the main problem I have with Dan's behavior is does very much focus on the young woman And we watch the episode. I noticed that when Kelly and missy with talking about Tim talked about how he put his surround Mr Twin Tommy puts his arm around them. Because Dan does ease touching your rib-cage. When John was talking about Dan she goes only likes to put your from around your shoulder so it sounds like Donnez differentiating between the young woman the elderly woman and he's probably not rubbing Tommy's led the way he rubbing Mris? I think the Dan if he does think he's not crossing a boundary. He should and sit. Did you should really take a long hard look and think about whether he does touch attractive. Young unmarried women differently to two other people in his life. You know. It's I think the problem again with this gray area is that it encourages. The victims is to minimize that problem. I'm we saw that happen in a whole host of ways season Taliban repeatedly so uh not wanting to make a fuss is equivalent of you know when she did talk about sexism she was kept apologizing. And it's the same thing She doesn't want to make an issue of it she so when when her initial talk with. Dan doesn't pay off she. Just this listen to the story about why didn't like being touched. And she doesn't address it again and we we just reduce here. Have this moment in the episode Yeah women don't want to be seen as drama Queens. We don't want me seeing mediaweek because that's the stereotypes that talked about. How standing up doesn't often often just put some negative impacts on you? So she doesn't she doesn't feel like she has an obvious case against on. It's Tautou for her to stand up for himself The IT came up this episode about how you know. It's a dangerous thing to make these accusations against men books out will affect them for the rest of their lives which is true but this is trust me we have as women we have internalized us the because we see it all the time in the media because the media goes mouse back tiff and it choke slaughter. How damaging is to the men to have these accusations We don't because of that. We don't want to to make the accusations unless we're really sure what was saying so then I want to talk a little bit about the attitude of of Foci off the tribe swap Where they sort of made it a running joke you know we still multiple CLA scenes of missy and Elizabeth and Lauren laughing about how done was touching them but they used very graphic traffic language? They used the word violated. And the sort of of okay. If this isn't a big deal why do you keep bringing up you know. I feel that they are deluding themselves. In a way Janet Senate this episode so death. She wanted the young girls were lying to themselves. the joking about it because it's not a big deal joking about. It's a coping mechanism An- rewatching the episode. I was particularly struck by missing. It's been getting a lot of hate but the impression I get is that she is probably just as much of Victims Kelly here she mosquito-borne on new and you're GONNA go trend. Mris only twenty four. She is the youngest player in this left in the game and she she is the one who seem to bring it up up too late that was Elizabeth said to how was last night which suggests this is a conversation a half every morning regarding how down was not I'm an MRI spoke to Kelly. For the first time she was getting somebody who was taking dance behavior seriously rather than making a joke out a bit and that seemed to really affect her. She seemed like she needed to vent about it. It And then of course when Lauren came to her and told her that No the Kelly's targeting you. She's make she just trying to many feel comfortable. Missy was really taken aback by that much more than you would expect it to be really hard to believe. Because she's tuned from learn was that Kelly had been completely insincere. Which of course isn't true? That mean Kelly how to genuine human moment out there on unfortunately it became misconstrued as Gameplay I don't know how much that informed Mrs later. Behavior where she sort of cited to Okay this isn't a big deal this is this. Is We have salacious ignoring ignoring the foot. But it's it's it's it's wrong for people to make light of it ear if they should if this is happening every night you know by making a joke normalizing it. You're saying men are entitled to touch you just because they want to just because they're attracted to your beautiful And I'm sort of angry with Aaron's suggested Tribal Council. OC Amman into the I knew it wasn't brought to me. I didn't hear about it because Erin you did hear about it. You were there at some of these conversations on Boakye when people were laughing. Aaron told me with that and for those two I hope they take away from. This is sometimes. Don't just fall back on leading women set tongue. Sometimes you can look and you can say okay. I know you're joking. Talking about this is is a real problem because you don't have to live with this and just make jokes about it. You heard would we can't change us. We can't change what's happening Yeah it's it's frustrating waiting to me and again Nouveau Kai was for T- young. got that that sort of customer friends for And and they didn't seem to figure it out the best way. But it's sad because it's sort of again normalizing it just enables actual sexual predators and people who Deluding themselves and not doing anything wrong. Because they're the note crossing whatever aligned. They decided they come across so yet. it's important anybody area area. Compensation is that no matter how joking it is to take initiative and see if you can create a climate weather woman can address the problem. He has in just about not having it all. Sarah what how did you think about the way that the show handled this whole situation other hollow is happy. Gone back to what I said about. You know it would have been Nice Torment Arun initiative of very happy with producer who took the initiative with Kelly. Saying you know it's it's not a K.. Apparently that producer Nick Maryland which is outside. Didn't know how actor he is This name was buying Bossaso. Weldon you And I'm glad that He. He a said that to Kelly pointed out that you know production was there to help her and that when she she said no I think we can handle ourselves. He still went and colden taught the other Jesus told Jeff and basically trickett cricket the offense which unfortunately did not sufficiently address the problem Turn production I think needed to do more But they did. There was so much better than they have. I've been advocating for Kelly for John it and for trying to address the problem with down even though Dan Don wasn't taking in which in part is the responsibility of the players but where production I think went wrong in stay. Weren't show where you know. Where does is this? Come with an imitation of the game discussed with Kelly. Do you want to have a voice at the tribal council and it appears that they agreed with her that she wouldn't buy do wonder the way things went not Shabbir. Proconsul should Jefferson coach notable said to Kelly. Would you like to say something. She might not have wanted to at the second council. Yeah the second one when she was the juror right. I think it would have been nice if jeff could have cooled inaudible. I feel Dan needed to be pulled aside again under. Listen you told. Dan Needed to be told what it was. He was doing I was I was very a very frustrated at the point when he was trying to talk to missy and Elizabeth and a a just denied ever having problems with him on. I don't know if they were convincing themselves. That or I just panicked and they couldn't. They couldn't tell him to Myspace But that you know they should be talking down and one thing. Dan did sort of that right. This episode was he said some the Tony used when approaching them. Was You know if I've ever done anything. He was very own. EST about that. I really wish it could have told addressed directly with him because I would have been interested to see how he reacted when actually given and that information Let's yeah I think all of us have you've had on all of us. It's not uncommon these days to have a situation where you have a friend and then that friend it does something they get drunk tonight. Hey wildly inappropriate. I know going back a few years. My husband had a friend get drunk behaved reprehensibly and then the following moaning text attempts. What did I do last night He didn't remember that he could tell he'd done something bad from the feedback he was did he from some people. I'm my husband sort of looked to me and said how do I respond to this. You know how can what can I tell him and I said you have to give him a blow by blow account exactly what he did because Perpetrators need to know exactly what's wrong every great that they knew themselves wrong. It'd be great. They didn't get drunk and do these things in first US place but by telling them you can. Maybe if you're lucky that they are gonNA make genuine attempts to improve themselves host and you can maybe stop that happening. Somebody else You know And yes now. But they didn't and now will you know that going to be stopped dealing with Dan for the rest of the for as long as they're on the island together you know missy who was you seem you did seem to be struggling with. It is going to be sharing to shelter with Dan the next two weeks. I don't know yeah. Yeah it's it's really difficult. I think we saw a lot of people recurring theme with the women that they were going to the lake. They could separate their emotions from the game. And then we're going to put this aside and focus on the game as if this was a positive thing to do and I disagree with that. I think John had it right. This transcends the game and it was time to You know addressed us this problem then play the game. Yeah But I on I. I was really upset with Jeff. The Tribal Council when he was like okay back to the game now despite the fact that Dan clearly we haven't figured out what happened and Everybody everybody in the majority appeared it to think that these accusations had been trumped up by Kelly. And maybe Janet as well as Gameplay move and so so when Lauren has speech at the end the way she was talking to Janet it sounded like she was reassuring. Don't worry when when people see this on TV that no plane you again to see that you a genuine pass and no this is this. Explains you the reactions of the cost since the episode Ed But it it does lead me disquieted. For how the season is going to proceed with sites. I just don't think this will ever be fully addressed and Janet herself is now doubting. What really happened? I do think production needed to have something where they To to Kelly talk to Dan. I'm made it very clear to the cost that this is not a false issue. This is a genuine issue. Gen genuine upset straighten Kelly though and I don't know how much that she was up for it. You know I don't want to think about. I'd rather just worry about the game. Rob Lynch wellness. I do feel it. It needed addressing missing in that away. What happened may need to think about going forward? And this isn't a new thing on survivor. Arriva you know. We've heard often you know rooms to the fly offseason. Oh so and so it was actually very Hansie We specifically saw on screen in China. When courtney AIDS was complaining about Genre Wisconsin Wisconsin up to her and Amanda? She was genuinely unhappy about the issue. But young male allies told an Aaron Carton who was specifically said. But they said you. Yeah but we need to vote. So you've just going to have to deal with it and that's always really hard for me to watch China my show China to make us right then. No that's a good one I I I kind of forgot about that. I mean what what I do. Remember is when Todd and courtney are overhearing that Jonrowe Aaron in James Talking about the coordination very centralized way and they overhear what they're saying. It's yeah and you know. Women have been dealing with this on survivor for a long time. I do think it's probably worth production. Fresh needs more giants on that. You know the person who can be an advocate. The Whitman the person who's the women can go to. You know we talked about Ryan talking to Kelly but that was a guy would have been nice. I don't know if they did did create space to Kelly. They he might have done. It would have been nice if Kelley could have shared her concerns of the female for GSA. And Yeah it's it's difficult because everybody does get very cuddly in the shelter but you need. I think production needs to pay he closer attention to just watch. The girls are putting up and to make it clear. Ah The full the game that if are any issues they can come to produce rhinos and make the men you know if the women say. They're uncomfortable they're comfortable. Yeah I've been in those shelters and it's it's not like you are like right up against people like they were definitely like. I played with people who were cuddling. And then people who were not coddling and you know there's definitely a difference in how people are sleeping next to each other. It's not like you are sleeping in like every scenario is that you are sleeping just like a pile of people like that. That's not the normal situation and I always hear about people saying well. It was cold at night so I called up to this big guy because he was the woman from right. Yeah I see you have a much clearer version us. I know you do have some choices. Might also be an issue there and also maybe be an argument. Why survivor should give players more? Close to sleep in at nighttime because that that may be the reason why missiles missiles with slept next to Dan is because he's a you know a big guy who probably does give off heat. Yeah not see. I think they were telling the the truth when they said to down that we felt safe with you. But there's a difference between thinking as never having to cross the line and also dealing with the line he's already crossed Um But yeah and it's you know women should feel free to be able to stay boundaries and half the land. Yeah Yeah I really think that. They missed the shot to take him out of the game when Kelly missed her when I really feel like that they missed a shot to take him out of the game when Kelly voiced as chur concern and they stop things down because that without Kelly in the game. Now who's going to lie unless Salaam Elizabeth or MRI like comes forward with a complaint. Our yeah attitude based on all of this like I think they've made it allow very difficult that you know there there will be another strike against him by one of the players. Yeah I don't think I don't know how much the story line it's going to be going forward. I don't think he's he's going to get in dame repercussions now and It will be interesting to see how how it is discussed in the media Having by again I do think the lesson that production needs to lands plus lessons to cost need to learn from this but the lesson production land from this is that they they need system the dealing with this and for intervening and in this case where everyone fell back to showroom down that it was fine. That wasn't appropriate and it was all lies is Production should have intervened They should not have let that particular storyline full. Would Yeah Dan Dan you know as a human being done respect Danis entitled to. He is untitled to know what he's doing wrong so he has the chance to address it. Whether that would have happened we will never know I I do think he did know what he's done wrong. And I think that he did not want it part of the show and I think that he was feigning meaning ignorance about a lot of stuff. Now I think I mean yeah. Everyone's going to have their own interpretation. I think I think he definitely retouched. The younger women different needs the way he touched old women. But I also think he's pressing Golota Losing their and he he he I think he genuinely has this self image that he is a awoke guy. He's he's a he's a good guy for women and he needs to look at himself more honestly but it was very easy for him to just cling to this. Oh said and that was that that was something that enabled by the cost. who well they did that in? Good faith suppose but by production who knew it was was wrong. Sar You tweet a lot about survivor with kids. I is this an episode of survivor. That you would feel comfortable showing your kids or where would you skip this one. I watched it with my kids and I think about my kids are eighteen tents. That little bit older. I know for me I because I do watch it with my kids. I always embrace these difficult episodes more than other people do Like I thought. The von Outing Zeke is terrible. That was it was a very good things. My kids to see what the reaction I don't know how much they don't tell was sick so she was bad folks but my son was like oh this is a life lesson this is a life lesson episode email. We know yeah he he was again. I don't know how much he got out of it. We're going to be discussing. Gene wants to go well but I I always say it's important to remember. Remember that survivor is a mirror of society in many ways. And this is one of these episodes where it is and it's difficult to watch but if you can watch it then what Shit and take your own lessons from it. Ubani other thoughts about the season between what you've seen so far and or where it might go. I'm I will finish finish watching the season. I think it's a good cast It's obviously become extremely problematic. This episode episode especially with the majority just getting completely respond wrong perspective on things which is making it now very difficult to root for a a lot of people who were formerly signed favorites. But I I think it's been there's been steph and so many people who can speak to issues like Jamal was tonight. Jamal has been a very mixed bag. He was brilliant tonight. I I do like Amal is like seeing. The's I liked it. When people are shown to have flows us well as a one dimensional two dimensional characters? I like my three dimensional very fast and I I think it's it's a it's a hope it's difficult to see how the season will ever be not be affected. Took this but I want to see how it plays out and see if there are more things that we can get out of the season as as we you did you know with the Jackson. Jamal seen the tribal council about women's alliances. I would i. I'd like to think that there was still more of stop. Sort of social learning ahead Well it's going to be. We've we've lost. We've Lost Kelly and we've lost Jamal Jamal and Jack. I don't know you know lead that conversation. Yeah we we still Nora. Who I'm sure is making many great? Sandra still go Jonah. No Not Janet looks like she doesn't really won't talk out anymore. I I was. It was so hard to us. Janet being treated the way she was. Yeah uh it hasn't been talked about much with Nora. But she was so excited about. Hey we're GONNA vote out. I don't like the way Dan's been. He's been inappropriate with the women out here. We're vote now Dan. I'm so excited. And then she just had to go back to all right. I gotTa go you know. Go go with the flow again. You know I guess says I guess it's not happening about knowing donor Nora. She was probably just laughing about anyway. She she never seems unhappy. I mean she didn't seem thrilled when Dan grabbed her at the tribal council. She loved when that happened but it was. Yeah that was weird. I noticed when he grabbed one hundred the shoulder one hundred in the arm and then that Han moved down to her knees like okay But it's like what you're talking about with that that she's laughing about it because it's uncomfortable laughter. I don't think she thought that that was genuinely hilarious. That that happened yet. Yeah but that's the trouble with Moore. It's very difficult to have. Emotional Range is quite narrow in some ways. Very very exuberant don't Yeah but in that scenario where she's in the minority if she if she instead like recoils and is like. Hey could you not do that. then it's like. Oh Hey what. What's your problem because you're going to be the next to go? Yeah that's true so yeah no no nobody can really speak up against down because it will be seen this laying into this thing. This already. been condemned The Christmas still there. I think commissioner can probably give us a few inciteful things who is now suddenly reds heroin. Okay she's the best after this episode of somehow. Yeah but yeah. I think I'm always optimistic. There are still good moments ahead had. It's it's just a tough episode to get through Yeah I am curious as to how it will be handled by production going forward. But that's that I'll wait and see servers up. My thinking is that they just completely don't show us any unless Dan is being voted out. I think that they hide him. AM is much as they possibly can. I mean he's been given a very invisible too anyway It it does seem from the past couple of episodes is actually quite while light by lots of people out there. You know Steph friend richest by they don't want to leave something going against him see push-back on that a little bit. Because that I think he's a number for them. The people that were the most vocal about keeping him were the four four original. Lyra where it was you know missy Elizabeth Elaine and Aaron and they were the people that gained the most by how these he's last votes went where two people from old Boakye who they never worked with went out and I I. I'm frankly was confused. Why were Tommy and Lauren? So so gung Ho about going with the swap tribe and going with that configuration. When it's the two of them and Dan and in all of the old Liar Oh people honestly I suspect Danzon easily beat the person I was particularly thinking of? Was Elaine a few different occasions. Did seem to be very close to Dan Yeah maybe some elaine protecting not going on there yet. Yeah she seemed very passionate about like. Hey they're they're just trying to break us up Dan you we're not GonNa let we're not going to let anything come between us this group so she seemed like really pushing hard and and I feel like that there was. She must have had a lot more to say about these accusations against Dan. Yeah and also Elaine and the interaction between down the merge is they they seem to be good friends and thus pose they're older than the rest of people swapped tribes so it would be natural for them to said leaned together a bit. Yeah I I also felt like it was very uncomfortable on the rewatch where they kick off the merge feast and Dan Makes Toast. And he's like I. I just want to say to everybody here in this group. Let's get lit like all right. This is this is also a comfortable. Yeah let's let's not and say we did Dan. Yeah Okay Sarah any other thoughts on any of this there anything. You haven't seen talked about out anywhere. I didn't think so. I think I said I wanted to say about the issue of the I welcome feedback and other questions. I'm I just I just want people to learn from this. You know we. There's already been comments comments about how certain news outlets have taken their interpretation of dissing. Oh look women do lie about men know missy missy and Elizabeth weren't actually making it up because I think effervescing they said about what Donna done to them was accurate art I think I think they just certainly for Elizabeth. She completely lied about how it may defend comfortable. Listen very excited about that as well but that does not make Elizabeth feel uncomfortable is like you don't have to put up with this this is this isn't something you should. You should be comfortable with the job but yeah well. That's quest. Has the set me too movement back in the widest. We can still take lessons from this. I think about how we would handle these sorts of situations Senator Elizabeth set was. That bothered me. I would say something but he doesn't always work by easily. Yeah Yeah just just creat create an and virement well. Women are allowed to speak up and be honest about their feelings without being cold. That the accused of creating chopper. Sarah thank you for all of of the eloquent words about this whole situation and again you know. Thank you for sharing your personal story as well that I. I've really found around that over these last couple of days. That a lot of people in our community have been saying that this really stirred up this experience and have been sharing on their own experiences so while this was not a great thing to have happened that I do feel like that there have been a lot of people who have been able to Cher things about themselves or that. The experiences that it'd have to happen in ways that they would not have had been able to without this happening. Yeah I mean these conversations we need to have. I would love for us to move towards a while all to society where he pull understand the difference between she and the potatoes touches. which if you're GONNA date with somebody touches a fine if you're trying to get their attention hair like you can go into this but when you're doing the flirtatious touches touches because you will not allow to do anything else with them? That's wrong. It's not on any level and Sarah. Thank you again really appreciate appreciate your time especially when you are not feeling so great. Hope you're feeling better soon. Thank you. It's it's been a nice distraction. Okay on Sarah. Of course Sarah of course is on twitter at Channon. Sarah C. H. A. And oh N. S. A. R. A. H.. How are you doing with the survivor? legos abyss survival leg this this week. I bit slow with that you can you can find my survive. Allegra re-creations on twitter just sometimes and also on instagram with Names Adventures in Lega I will try and get back to it soon. I think I've just hype hi. It's time to build stuff and I the the scenes I don't have any good ideas to deliver era. Yeah Well Sara. Since we've last talked on a podcast that my boys are very into the LEGO. So I think that what you're doing is really amazing. And because I know how hard it is to keep track of all these mini figures. Oh it's actually one thing. It is a great way to get your kids into survivor and to keep track of the cost. Kids always know who's on the costs. Five being pretty casual agents of funds we have action figures every. Yeah okay well thank you again and all the best. Okay thank thank you so much wealth already have it Sarah Chana in here on the podcast to tell her story and everything that's going on with with survivor. I thank you guys so much for listening to this. Very special episode of the survivor feedback. Show I I hope that Doing a good job talking about all of this stuff. This is definitely not in my wheelhouse but I am trying to do my best to to cover this in the best possible way. We're going to have some more coverage coming up on Monday with Josh regular. And we're going to do a special edition of the Wiggle Room no wand off this week. I am going to talk with Jordan Kayla on this week in survivor history. We're going to be joined joined by Nick. We're going to still have that podcast for you on Monday. Some more tecom covering this survivor episodes. So so thank you again for listening to a good one bye

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Survivor 38 Week 6 TWIS with Scott Chernoff

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Survivor 38 Week 6 TWIS with Scott Chernoff

"The. Stock about. Take quiz. So we can. The smartest one. Sarabhai? You are thank you will from America. Of course, one of the mount Rushmore faces of twitch and also Facebook Friday fame will from America there. And of course, I am rob cicirino here on this week and survivor where we're gonna talk about everything going on throughout this wild week of the survivor merge with us as always is the inventor of the this week in survivor history quiz who just got back recently from the reality takeover event where he was appearing last night, Mr. Jordan Kayla. Yes. Still still recovering from the reality TV takeover. It's the it's the event that Andrea Belkin Neg Malley put on in New York City. They they missed the year. They had a little bit of a yacht twos. Last. Get it on the west coast last year. They did they did on the west coast. But it was it was. True true. But I it was back. I was very appreciative. At a lot of funds are H AP favorites. A lot of members of the pizza and bureau lions were there. Some wand offers were there it was a great night. Okay. Jordan. When will they get you on the flyer? Most likely never I think I would probably have to apply survivor get on the show do relatively well. And then maybe they put me on the on the flyer. Okay. All right. So maybe Jordan we'll have some tales along the way from the reality takeover event. But we have a lot to get to with our guest this week. He is no stranger to podcasting about survivor that he is podcast about many seasons of the show with our good friend. Ryan elder, the snakes rats and go podcast. Please welcome. I believe this is is this an RJ debut for Scott chernoff. Yes. The bell is right. I wasn't sure. Have you done the BNB? No, okay. I did your podcast. You were so kind to do our podcast, and I've just been waiting by the phone ever since. Well, I had seen on social media that when we follow social media very closely on the show that you had been in. Enjoying this week in saviour. So we said go get come on in guys love it. Love it thrilled and honored to be here. Thank you. Okay. All right now, much like, David, right? You are also a TV writer by trade. Is that correct Scott? That is correct. When they let me. Scott. Could you give us any of your credits for the people at home to get even more familiar with your work? Sure, I've been a staff writer on Conan on TBS not the barbarian though. I've written for Bo Jack horseman on net flex and school of rock. The o- version. Version. Went from we ever BoJ, which is a cartoon my children can't watch. Because I also know somebody who wrote for school of rock do. Yes. Do you know might white? Are you a fan of Mike hats? Yes. Yes. Yes. You you've you've talked to him. I believe huge fan of yours. Yes. Yeah. He loves everything about you. And the. You know, he just wants to talk emoji after emoji with the Jess, I, you know, I've never met Mike white. Oh, he created. He wrote the movie school of rock. And so Thus I own for my employment for two seasons. But the he I mean, he was technically a producer of the TV series in work on the show. Okay. Jordan, see Mike white for the this weekend survivor history quiz later this season. Mike white the TV writer and former reality TV contestant or are we talking Mike white Florida's coach in the March madness tournament either. Thank you. Both very unlike they might both be equally as unlikely to come on this weekend survivor history. Okay. Scott. Let's talk about the weekend survivor, of course, big merge week always sort of like the unofficial halfway point of our survivor season. So great time or a check in and we had our big edge of extinction. Twist this week where we had somebody come back from extinction island. I why don't you tell us about how you felt about extinction island about the F rea- this season. I mean like so many I was not looking forward to it. I was not a big fan of redemption island. I was really not a fan of the outcast twist. But I gotta say like many, I'm enjoying what's going on there. I mean, we've got ream. And I don't know if I'd like it as much without Reema. But I do enjoy seeing. It's sort of this parallel dimension. It's like another level of the game going on. And I think it's working better than say the outcasts did because we didn't see what was going on with them. We're a lot more invested now in these people coming back, and I feel more invested that I did with redemption island. Yeah. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. Why that is though I think maybe the weekly duels just grew tiresome. Whereas now, there was this sort of just endless wait that was kind of fascinating. How long can these people just exist? Right. If that's interesting. I wonder maybe it's because that the time the things were seeing on the extinction island are more of like the camp life stuff as opposed to where we were just going to extinction island each week for a challenge than that doesn't seem as interesting. To anybody who's listening for those? I'm no great fan of the challenges. So more challenges is not as up tising as like, hey, oh, let's see like more fighting. That's happening. Okay. I'm in right? The other thing I think that that distinguishes is just that. We're now thirty eight seasons in when this first happened in Pearl islands. I was such a purist of the game. And I was just like this is an outrage is this completely, you know, cheapens the whole season puts an asterisk next to ever wins. It's just you know, this is the worst thing that could ever happen. It's so unfair the players didn't know, you know, the whole thing this is awful. Now, they're essentially doing the same thing to the players. I'm sitting there as as a superfan going. This is awesome. This is just like per alliance. Just like the thing. That upset me so much all those years ago. And now, I'm excited about it. And maybe it's just because so much time has passed. It's come we've come a long way. We've come a very long one hundred eighty degree turn on seeing people come back from the game. Scott. Are you ready to say you want to see this every season? No, no, okay. You like this one and done. I don't know about one in done. But I think part of its power was the surprise. And the novelty of it could be right. I mean, maybe they every season. It's great. Maybe we just keep adding islands. You know, maybe what other islands he likes his C N B sale off. And they find it nother on Rosa island. Ponder asylun. Maybe you know, Gilligan's island is involved lost island, whatever just hard to find. Right. That's true. But if you do you could forever, I guess so. Yeah. So which was loved to see more more levels to it. That's kind of interesting. But I think if it's every season then people are going to work it into their strategy. You know, I'm not a fan of the Ozzy strategy of I'll just get voted out and win my way back in. And then win the game. Do you feel like that? Joe is. Thinking that in terms of once he hears there is the edge of extinction. Does Joe's brain go. There. I'm not sure where Joe's brain goes. I'm not saying, he's not a smart guy. But he doesn't seem to from what we've seen. I know Stephen says differently. That we don't see a lot of strategy out of him. But I would think that this that this would be so obvious to him. And it seemed to be when he was leaving like, okay, I'll just win my way back in. Now, they open the door. But there's a lot of obvious things that Joe should do that. He doesn't seem to do. What do you think you think that he's as soon as he heard? There was an extinction island is like great. I'm ready to roll. I feel like that it probably was comfort to him. Like, okay. Well, even if I go out there, then I'll have another shot to potentially get back in. But I don't think that he where Ozzy sort of one point in our South Pacific, he engineered to like, hey, send me to survivor redemption island because I need to make sure Christine Markowski doesn't get back in the game because that can ruin everything. That would've upended the whole plan. Yeah. There hasn't been such a crazy plan since on game of thrones. When they needed to go north of the wall to bring back. Oh, white Walker to have an armistice with sir c. Absolute look, we're all getting hyped up. Yeah. But that's what I don't really wanna see whether he thought it or not. I mean, this is the scenario we all picture this is the season engineered for Joe or whatever. But now that they know about it anybody could make that plan and say, I'm just going to opt out of the main game and go chill out on stink tion island. Come back at the end, Scott. Do you think that now the players will say well now we got to send all of the people that are good in the challenges out of the game. So they can beat Joe and not have Joe comeback. I think that's a that would be a wise strategy at this point. But is it? I mean, I feel like okay. So we have to knock somebody out of the game who's good challenges to beat them. So Joe doesn't come back. But then somebody who's better in challenges than Joe just came back into the about. That's also it's too much to think about it. You just gotta play the game and people on their merry way. Yeah. I just wanna know what I can't wait to see the three of them on extinction island when Joe arrives. Yeah. Is it just going to be like, oh, hell, no? Is it just because do you is there a part of you that feels like now you're are a lot longer. Oh so Joe arrive. Yes, you're Audrey who I feel like has a good shot to return just because I feel like narrative -ly her story seems to be pushing in that direction. I could be totally wrong. Could just be because she's a fan favourite. So they're giving us a lot of Agri. And I love Aubrey. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I feel like the story seems to be pushing her as a strong contender to come back in the end. But if I'm sitting there on extinction island. I am really depressed when I see Joe. Yeah. But then when Joe comes back with like, you know, four pounds of flounder, then then you're feeling better flounder specific. I almost think that the other players on extinction island have to start almost forming in the lions against against Joe because we've already seen that they're willing to put disadvantages out there that could be given to somebody in the challenge to get back in like, that's what's happened to Chris. I almost think the rest of the people on extinction island have to band together and say anytime, we get a disadvantage this needs to go on Joe because if not he has the best chance by far of beating us to get back into the game. And I kind of think that the players in the game are gonna take that into account too. Where even though Joe is such a challenge beast if he if so many disadvantages are put on him. There is a chance he could lose the challenge to get back in do Aubrey. And and Reema earn Aubrey and Chris are need to tell ream if she sees it just don't pointed out to Jones. Yeah. Don't just go ahead. And yeah. Scott. Do you think that I really don't know what to do with an advantage? Do I have complete idiot written on my forehead pro? I'm just saying, you know, you point to you showed Keith where it was room. He gave it to. Why did you have a question for ream? Yeah. I am a fan of Sester Remo. Sorry. I am. I am. I wanna know what? Ream feels about Randy saying she does not deserve to be on the jury. Due. Randy that I just hate guys that are like these big math complete jerks that are so negative to and everything that comes out of their mouth is like a complaint, bro. Win over. It. Sounds like you. Sheriff to planning. Did you just say that I'm thinking I have a problem with everything, bro? I heard you have a few problems, dude. I can't even if you Jordan where did you find this guy pro arena? I agree. I agree with you, look I like Randy. I think he's on the podcast. But he did once say that I should be should be banned from the podcast for asking. A question about cookies, you know, what I like about Jordan that I feel like that. He's like my kid, and I'm here, and I have to protect him and deal with all of these jackasses like this, Scott guy, bro. Remiss if Jordan leaves the podcast the way, Keith left. Will you stay? Here. I am here on the podcast until the end of days, bro. Renew could potentially be on extinction island for like thirty days. Rob is going to be long gone. And it's gonna be me and Casey fricking Casom running this place, bro. You know, I do think that Randy was wrong renowned tell you Reema to Robin Jordan, like I think it's totally appropriate that she's on the jury. There's no better person to be on jury. Oh, abso from a fan perspective. Absolutely. But also as a for entertainment. Yes. But as a fan has been watching from day one, it's so crazy to see a first boot sitting on the jury, but that said. Although we lost Scott. Scotty back. Scott. He he he loves, you know. Moves let that hold on wealth. He he lobby lost him mid sentence. He was saying that forgot the beginning of a sense. Re- being on the jury. Let me use the bathroom real quick. All right. Hold on. Hold on can. Yes. Hold on sky. We got you back, but these school ish needs a bathroom break minutes into this podcast. I told you to go before we started, bro. I love your reading do. I don't know. I haven't had no contact with her. I don't know if she's going to just chew me out, or if she's going to be a big big fan way to hear that interview way. It'll be good. If she just like goes, full, Mike white. It'll be great. You know, why do you think Mike was like was I think he meant everything he said of? But he also was like, you know, having having fun because he's saying had sent me like an Email a couple of weeks earlier where basically said all of the same gripes, and I wrote back to him, and I never heard back anything and then. So I don't think he was like he might he was like laughing at the Senate. But I think he meant everything you said. Yeah, I think that's about right. Yeah. You're talking about how rematch, you know, a great ju- person to be on the jury. So from an entertainment standpoint, absolutely. I want her on the jury. I wanna hear that speech. I'm I've got real sue hawk level high hopes for that for her on the jury, but as as a fan who's been watching the show the whole time from day one. It's so crazy in in a fun way to see a first boot sitting on the jury and at the same time, contrary to what Randy was telling you, and I I love Randy. But I think it's totally appropriate that she's there because like it or not Edrich extinction is a part of the game this season. She was voted out. But she opted to remain in the game that the, you know, the show stat up the rule she's still there. She's on the on an island. Yeah. Fees participating. So I think it it makes it really interesting. I feel like it's the right thing to do. Yeah. Can I call my shot on something? This is kind of out there take I predict that rematch gets a standing ovation at the final tribal council as being the person who was out there on the edge for thirty some odd days. And I think they'll recognize that at the final job counsel, and she will get a big ovation. She'll deserve it. I mean, what can it do? Do you? Thank god. She is to go to the jury gets to go to trample councils every couple of days to have a change of scenery. Because what's duty your mind to be on that extinction island for thirty plus days? You know, it's fine. But reading is the Holiday Inn, the this aint mill holiday, bro. Stay a Holiday Inn for that long. They will kick you the F out, bro. There's no like free breakfast in the morning. This. Okay. The WI fi code WI fi. All right three, no Rifai either. How many bars? No, there ain't bars. Okay. I had a good people. You. Go ahead, Scott. I have a question for you. Rob. Yeah. I was listening to you talk to Haley strong delightful feedback feedback show with strong. Yes. Absolutely. And you guys were talking about this this theory that I think you had this Mike Kelly Wentworth theory. I don't know if you you could probably describe it a little bit better and more succinctly. And then I have a question about let me set this all up because there has been a lot of buzz on social media about a clip where was re edited. And this is not something that is necessarily new. This is certainly not the first time that it's ever happened history of reality TV, but sometimes the editors of a reality show will need a certain quote and two for the sake of the audience sometimes like two different quotes could be put together or. Word from here ends up getting put together. Now, you for the most part hope that it happens for the sake of clarifying something that is oh I wish we had this person saying this because then that would help better explain this. Sometimes it's also done sort of like that the story is getting too complicated. And we need to sort of a way to simplify this. And then also that there are people that complain. Hey, completely misconstrued something that was not my intention at all. So we have seen this week. Some pushback coming from Kelley went worth over a clip where she talked about Rick Devon's coming back, and in the clip that was in the episode. She says this on faith. I saw doing that challen. Devon's was the one person I thought. Like. I don't want it back here. Okay. Now, again, she does say I don't want him back here. Like, why are you back here? I looked at Devon's. But when we hear this clip, you can tell where they took the oh hell no part of it from ream, Chris he just like one by one here, they come like giving me the death stare, and I'm like. Hell, no my worst nightmare. Couldn't get any worse like mardi minority. Now here come these people like so in the secret seeing that they posted she's talking about hell, no in the context of that. She was not happy to have Ville returnees coming back into the game. And I talked about this with Haley strong in the feedback show in in greater detail. The theory that I had and it seems like, you know, Kelly seems annoyed about how this was portrayed on the episode. And I wondered if maybe we were shown things in the wrong order to some degree. We're maybe Devon's came back from the edged and Julie got a hold of him. He was one hundred percent with the new players with the calm of people going to vote with the calm, and then Kelly to try to save herself after Devon's and David are not talking to her and Lauren. Than she's like, oh, eight David and Devon's have flipped. I need to get. Joe? We need to vote out Devon's. And then it turns into a bit of a Han solo greet. Oh situations and much much like in the twentieth anniversary edition of the original Star Wars, some re editing perhaps of who shot I greet o or Han solo. You're hitting nerve that is still. Still very, rob. And I find that that theory, very plausible. So this is now, obviously speculating we don't know. But if you're correct about that, my question is why do you think we're being shown to that specific thing in the wrong order what narrative purpose for the story. Is that telling why are we meant to see Kelly as coming after David and Devon's if the opposite is true whose characters sort of being protected or shaped toward the end game. Does that make any sense, right? Well, I think that the person who has the, you know, a positive outcome on that. I think is that I think it looks better on Devon's where that he is sort of like the victim of Kelly's target as opposed to him coming back and saying, hey, I don't want nothing. To do with these people that voted me out. And I'm going to throw my lot in with the commerce six, right? So this to me, and I don't wanna get into the edit. But I just look at sort of the story in the the way people are presented, and I feel like this bodes very well for Devon's I do too. I think that Devon's I think is coming back. Now has this idol in his pocket. And I think is, you know, set up pretty well here because I don't imagine that he's going to be targeted by the comma six or targeted again die the people who were part of the former mono less group. And why ultimately do you think Kelly in Lauren voted for David and not Devon's do you think that's just who they were told to vote for? Well, I think that they were trying to get this votes. Split going between. And I don't know. What who was told what it looked like in the episode? We saw Kelly and Lauren talking with the women. And maybe that they thought it was going to be okay. The comma women with went worth and Lauren. We're splitting the votes. Plus Joe and Aurora they were going to be splitting the votes between. David and Devon's again, I think that this makes sense. I would not say that I feel like one hundred percent, right. Certain about sting. It's an interesting road to go down. Yeah. And I have one more going I want to jump the gun on social media. But according to the war dog on social media at I am the war dog who's really stirring things up this week, and who's your Kelly Wentworth she posted on social media. Those two confessionals back to back with hashtag receipts. And then tweeted survivor community coming through on this one. And I am the war dog said. This feel like us told me that I all the people you were so upset it was at Rick Devon's that was the one to come back, and we need to take him out. No, which still could be possible that the war dog could be right last and know that okay? Well dog it's possible. He saying that that she said, oh, Devon's is the last person I wanted to have come back. Maybe Kelly was being a little dramatic in saying, oh, that's the land. And she would have said the same thing of ream came back. If big Wendy came back, Chris came back, anybody other than operate only wanted a gun. Right. So maybe she did say that. I think it's I think that we will hear more about this story, Scott. Wow. Well, I can't wait. Yes. I had one last question. This is for either of you. And maybe I know you recently learned a lot of lingo of the young people. Oh, yeah. I listen to I get around. Yes. I get around what? What's an art? Is that this name is? That's a good question for manure. So okay. Let me play that clip. This is when when Ron Clark talks to Joe, buddy. What's the plane? You go. Follow those nartz make sure not on the chocolate. Okay. So it's me. I feel like that there either two interpretations and Jordan limb. Let me hear what you think on this as well. But I think that either he could have been putting some sort of an affect on the word nerds. Or I also have heard in my time the word narves as a colloquialism for testicles. Oh. I've I don't think he was going. I don't think he was calling them nerves. It doesn't. I don't know. Nar NAR nerds. Even though it's only one letter off. I think it's I don't know. It didn't seem like he was calling them nerdy. And I don't think he was calling them testicles either. Even though we did have a lot of ball talk during the edge of extinction challenge. The only the only the only thing that I thought during this. I have a friend named Bernard who often went by the Narda dog. So maybe he was talking about war, doc. I don't think any sense you think that he was referencing your friend Bernard. He's very very unlikely. But that is where my head went. And then he was also talking about his was it his tingles during a tribal council. So I don't know what language Joe is speaking. So I mean Spencer talked about speaking joing, which maybe Spencer we'd ever really hear enough from Joe, I think now we maybe we know why? Yeah. I also, you know, give Joe a little bit of the benefit of the doubt in maybe he was already in on a different plan. And then just did not have a lie prep, which he should for what the tell Ron Clark who maybe he felt like that. He was snowing run and Ron then the person, you know, let let me let's out you said, he's not giving me a straight answer here. And did like runs approach to him while the. Yeah. Little silly. But the asking I like when when the players go up announcer who vote for what do I what do I do? Yeah. When you know, Ron has very specific ideas of what he wants to do. So it's a good point. Because I think that the answer is, you know, we're on survivor. You asked me. Well, what do you want me to do and the answers either like have you been paying attention? Like, we talked about this. We know what the plan is. You know, or the answer is then some sort of a spin like, I don't know. I didn't even think about it. What do you want to do? And that means that person is lying to you. Right. Why not just say somebody from original mono, who do you think? Well, I think everybody's so afraid to throw a name out. And then it goes, and it's like, oh, hey war dog. Did you hear Joe said we're gonna vote you out tonight? But he asked Joe, so I'm saying couldn't Joe said to Ron, Well, I I think it should be somebody from the original Madhu, you'd think it should be wrong. Yeah. That sounds like an answer that someone who's very good at the survivor, social and strategy, and we give. But he's played three times. He should be better than me. Should should be better. I wanna talk about something which came into play this week. I was sort of into nihil that this was going to happen. But the student viewers and listeners of this podcast. We're able to catch up on it. And so Scott, did you notice anything different with the chirons on the screen this week? Yes. I did. I'd account. Yes. So turn to my wife. I said I said, look, I rewound is. I don't know when they started doing that. And she just kind of gave me that look like all right, Honey. Keep watching your show. I'm with you. But I don't care to that degree about the chirons. But I was blown away. This is a brand new development that is I believe as of this week, and it became out of a tweet to Jeff Probst who was unusually super responsive to this Lynn on Twitter at Lynn underscore, thirteen said, hey at Jeff ropes. Can we get an idol icon next to the lower third of players currently in possession of an idol, my memory sucks. I l y I believe that stands for I love you. Okay. I think our yes. Jeff Probst response. That's a great idea. Thanks, then goes on to say, your idea will begin in upcoming episodes and continued that thought thanks again for helping hashtag survivor anytime, you see it come up on the screen. Brag to your friends that. Was my frigging idea. And then he signs off JP. So, wow, I Scott is that a little bit redundant to sign off your tweets. Yes. I've always wondered about that. If it makes me wonder about the ones that from the same person that aren't signed right wrote that who wrote that one thirteen right that one. And while we're on the subject of redundancy skied, tell me if you feel like that this is redundant on the part of joy England. It's like I feel like we're like this second chance to point out. This is second chances two point. Oh, that seems it's thirty four point. First chances three point zero right or third chances. Yeah. They'll war dog when it comes to mind. Pretty also. I mean, was it. I I guess if you were the situation felt very different from what was going on in Cambodia. But maybe to them it felt the same. Yeah. I think that from Kelly and she wasn't there. She's like, oh my God. Joe is in the you know, the big alliance, and I'm in the small lions just like it's just like second chances. Well, I don't know why Joe's perspective like second chances to point out. No, I I think he just sometimes doesn't know what to say. Well, he's got all those Nord's like fish, BAC and Spencer his life. Now, what context are you using that? I don't know. I'm trying to figure out how Joe uses it. Maybe an artist just someone in your alliance. He wants to vote you out. Yeah. Like, it's second chances NAR point. Oh, yeah. We know that Jeff does not use the same for Nacuer because it's free. Definitely open the floodgates now. Can we all just start tweeting and be like, Jeff how about some funky music during when you start describing how the challenge is going to work. We all start. Maybe like a. 'bout one of those bouncy balls with that goes over with the subtitles when you have to subtitle. It can you put a bouncy ball on? So I know. Yeah. Which word is being said when yeah Jeff is a little bit like when people used to write letters to Wendy, the Snapple lady that he's ready to jump in and take the suggestion and put it into action. But you know, I don't mind that it's kind of fun. Yeah. That have that idol can't have like, you know, holding a second vote next to their name is it possible that when he signed JP at the end of the tweet it wasn't Jeff probes. He was actually referencing JP hills back because it used to be when you we're trying to find out who has an idol, Alan Ball and make you pull your pants. I'm like, we don't want anymore. Yeah. He's referencing that catch. It was now do you think that they started at this week? And then they were like well now, we don't need a previously on. Yeah. Now, they don't need to set up information. It'll be like on the screen say like David and instead of house half an idol say last week received to vote is perhaps mad at Kellyanne Lawrence. Yeah. Scott this the best way to do this in the lower. I would not have ever noticed that they put this in that had not been called to my attention, including that they have Rick Devon's listed as half an idol also on the lower. Yes, it does say a half an idol. That's true. Maybe it's deeds to be more noticeable. You're saying, well, I'm just wondering maybe like at tribal council, should it come up of, you know, when maybe when they come with like, a when they go to vote when maybe we could just see it on the bottom of the screen like like Kelly has an idol like, I don't know if we need to know the idol count like ten minutes into the episode, but sort of right before it's about to happen. Like, I don't know if necessarily like football game if it's like super relevant. How many time outs? Do you have in like with seven minutes left in the first quarter two minute. Warning. You know, it becomes something. That's sort of like, oh, wait have who has time outs. Okay. What what are we doing here? It's going to start making the players who don't have advantages feel very naked on their chirons. Yes. It's just my heirs. You know, San Antonio. That's just where I'm from. Yeah. I only played in one previous season. Okay. Yeah. Another thing that happened on. This week's episode of survivor was Jeff Probst set up. What was going to happen with the edge of extinction twist and put a lot of hyperbole behind what we were about to see and let me play that clip some moments take years to become iconic. Others become iconic the moment, they happen. This might be one of. Now, I was gonna give Jeff a lot of grief for that. But then Scott, I thought that then I might be myself a hypocrite because I think I did basically the same exact thing a couple of weeks ago when Rupert responded to the doing. No, no, no, wait a minute. You did hype that, but you're right. I mean that was the most iconic survivor. Sometimes we have a tweet that it takes years for to be conic. Toy cases, this case a case that is that's that's how 'pro-stocks you can say, Casey Kasem them. Listen some moments take years to become iconic. Others become iconic the moment, they happen. This is Mike. Spent five weeks number eight. I mean to be fair it is it is going to be a memorable moment. I mean, it's the first time they've ever done edging extinction. But is it going to live up there with with like this su-, snake-, snakes, and rats speech or like, Mike falling in the fire or the bait? Blake strategy. I don't think so. Down from those announcing it that way, kind of kind of undermines it. Right. You you're telling say that something is about to be icon IQ. I think you just let let it be iconic one more question for you. I know you've got a full agenda. So I don't wanna derail. But we talked. We even you know, a lot of talk about the returning players. And I've listened to you talk about maybe things have been up ended now now it's no longer unfair. Because you know, we've always seen one returning player make it to the end in these kinds of seasons. But so maybe now it's different now that the newbies are targeting them. But don't you think maybe the jury's still out on that? Because we've still got to in the game. It's still possible for one or two of them to make close to the end in these past seasons. We've had there's also been while. Well, one or two of made it to the end one hasn't won. You know, oth Russell's were pre merge Penner did about as well as he did the first time. So and also if I still feel it's unfair even if it's now unfair in the other direction, it's still just like this uneven playing field. No matter whether it advantages, the returnees or or the new players, I do think that there is room for the new players to be undone. But I feel like that. If it does happen. I feel like it will be on account of the idols. I feel like that they have really outflanked the new players so far almost every single turn. And I feel like that the idols though with three idols now on the side of the original Monetro. I feel like the calmest six I think could run into an idle land mine. Here there which could really shake things up. I I think we could still see one of those returning players in the final three. Okay. All right. So I'm so glad that you brought up the new players because I have a game for you that I feel like that people at home can play along with and Jordan that I think that you might you might be very close to this. Just don't don't blurt out any answers. Okay. So we have a number of new players that are in this game. And of course, Devon's who returned from extinction island has famously got knee last name treatment. We also know Ron Clark who is often mentioned in tandem with his last name. But sky, let's see we're at the merge. I feel like that. We should have a pretty good sense of these new players at this point. I will give you the last name other survivor. Test in here that has now made the merge, and you will simply have to tell me the first name of that survivor contestant. Okay. Okay. Fun. I'm up for this. Now, I also. Will. At least one time give you a last name that is not someone who is in the survivor cast. Right. And this would not be multiple choice. You will not be able to call your voice enable the system so on the bottom of your screen. It says Scott zero advantages is out to call Cowan Bechtel's brother, no zero advantages. Can I call him afterward just to? Yes, that's fine. Fair enough. That's fine. Okay. All right here, we go. Let's see. Let's see how. Well, we're paying attention. Okay. All right. Paying attention to center. They really talk about on the show. Okay. All right. Okay. Yes. I r I don't wanna say I last name because that's very confusing. Okay. Last name number one is O'Connell. Oh, o Connell o Connell. Who? Okay. I I was I was thinking. Well, I may know some of these I don't know that locate I'm going to take a guess. Okay. I'm I'm closing that when I was gonna look at a picture of the players don't look last names, but I closed it. I didn't see any scenario. I'm just looking under these people who these are all who've made the merch. Well, the these are all players that we've seen now through the merge. So I may I may go. They could be on extinction. It could be six. Yes. Got it. Okay. I'm going to guess, Lauren. That's right. You got to lead total wild swing? Okay. All right, Jordan. You knew that one. I didn't know that like to that. I know I knew it wasn't those two. Okay. Okay. All right. All right next one is when worth all, right. To round two, okay? Within. Whitsun? It's sin. I feel like I might know that one. I'll. Go with Julia. Julia whitson. Hell. No, no, no, no. It's like a Whitsun. Sorry is Gavin Whitson Javan Whitson. All right. Okay. Okay. All right fair enough. Okay. All right here, we go. I could listen to Kelly went was no. Oh, no. Every day for the rest of my life. Is that going to be the no, pumpkin? Let's see you play here. Okay. Rosenberg? I know that one. Okay. Julie Julie, Julie Rosenberg that is rents that one. All right Alonso. I do not know when Alon sound so Alonso alone. So. On so, okay. It's not words. I'm gonna go with Aurora. I'm hoping sorry. Can I no that is the last name of National League rookie of here? First baseman, Pete Alonso. That is not a survivor contestants did. I had already forgotten. There was going to be a fake name, and our in my mind for survivors. Okay. Rob always accuses me of trick questions. I think that's more of a trick than anything that. I've ever given him. I don't I was warned. Yeah. Yeah. Change up the questions based on. All right. What about Carter? He was great in the Philippines. Made a big impression harder. Well, then I'm then going to. Again. Who are you saying I'm just sticking with? Julia smart plan. Right. Yes. Yes. Okay. So L. So well. It's not really. Marines. Last name, I know Victoria's last name. So don't ask that one. I. I. Think it's I'm between Keith in Kris. Okay. I'm gonna say Chris. Hello. No, come on, Scott, come on, Scott, come on, Scott. Was a key with ki ki. All right last one McCreary. Okay. This one I'm doing it for Sierra. That's a Rura. Okay. Joing person that Kathy right? Yes. Okay. So these new players, and sometimes I see them like on Twitter like their first name last name that doesn't sound right. Is that right? That's right. That's. Even even me. It's still weird that we still have. They're not fully formed yet in my mind. Okay. I kind of see a future twists death match or some sort of tiebreaker where I get like last names from survivor history that nobody remembers. Okay. All right. We'll say all right before we get to our this week in social media segment. Let me take a moment. Thank one of our sponsors here today. Those are friends over ad ship. Now, Scott, you're not on any dating apps, right? I just don't tell my wife, but I'm all. 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They can or they they can do whatever they want. They don't have to do. It doesn't have to be honest. Client is I think on it a on a show he is on a ship, but he is not shipped yet. This is blowing my mind going to say the ship like Debbie and Cochran that's dream day. Yes. That's a sure at their Jordan. Are you on it? I'm not on the ship. But maybe I should get on the on their come on. Gosh, take one for the team. Okay. All right. So let's talk about the week of survivor social media. And we have a one of our listeners who has picked up the mantle of where Ryan elder once upon a time started us with these survivor tweets jingle. And that man is Jacob Sager Weinstein who has point himself to make these jingles for us every week. Here is Jacob treats day, the tweets kinds of my leg on extinction. They would not be flying. Boy, this by the way, you know, Ryan's tweets jingles, what brought us together for podcasting. Yeah. It's all brought together. It's all happening. And I think this was a game changing tweets baby tweets. Let's let's stay tweets kinds of my bag on extinction. They would not flying tweets. So I think this is the first time that we've rhymed with the word that wasn't tweets. Oh, let's find out right. Ryan is listening. Tell find out if that's if this is canon, he better be listening. All right. Let's talk about what's going on. We have Victoria bay Monday. She tweeted this week, Scott. I love math. Sometimes six is the majority of thirteen just like your Kaelin. She loves loves math. It was pretty masterful. They made six the majority. They did it was like beyond the the three to one in Panama. Yes. What they did this week. Yeah. They got the would you call them the circular firing squad. I called the other group circular farm saw people voting in three different blocks against each other was pretty amazing. Yeah. We saw Keith leave the game this week. He posted a message to the survivor fans. I have not heard this yet. Do you wanna listen to little bit of this? Sure. It's two minutes. I dunno. How much we're going to get through. Okay. All right. Here's what here's what Keith had to say talking about his exit from the game. Hello winners hope to watch the amazing episode and the amazing challenge. Why is the only winners? All right. I guess I can't listen. So he's he's talking to potentially everyone on his season. Besides him Linden. Okay. Happen last night. Fortunately, they weren't able to show enough or shed as much as I had hoped on the two to three hours that led up to making the big decision in the middle of the game. But I also understand 'cause they don't have as much time. And they want to the whole negative connotation that's on the edge of extinction. Intact was negative. Like is there a positive connotation on the edge of extinction? They were missing you grow person. Okay. But of course, I have people ask me like what happened. Why did you leave? Why did you hit the game? But thing you have to realize that survivor the game edge of extinction. They're two completely different dimension. So is to give you everything the complexity of the challenges of a war as the tribal councils, the strategy edge Vic station is owned. I mentioned it's meant to abstract and meant to be what shoe can get out of the and everything that you need to get out of the I didn't know that extinction was tone. Dimension. Yes. It's doctor strange is involved in this situation semitic fried or another dimension. Dimension on the edge. It's a it's a mirror. Did do do do do. Reading what's it like living in another dimension rim lame. The twilight ream spinoff, I feel I Keith really feels a need to justify his decision. Yeah. I that. Look, I know some people some people are down on him Darnell Hamilton said I'll put it like this any passer -vivor who is played and was voted pre marriage. If they were gifted this opportunity if they would raise the flag, it's week eight f to me, and I don't care what anybody says. Whoa. Yeah. Now, technically, it was my winner. Pick by the. Wrong and journal. He's gonna be in Philadelphia with us. He's he's super Jackson. But that being said now to be fair to keep he did raise the flag post merch. Yes. So I mean, why is why is that better? I mean, I did I did watch this whole two minute video. And I kind of get his point. Yes. It's a different game. I kind of see it as I understand his situation. Like, he's he probably sees how bad he was at the challenges when he was in the game. He wasn't very good. I mean, actually, I was actually pretty close in the challenge to get back in. I mean, he had the ball pretty far up the snake at one point. But still come on. I'm describing what happened in the challenge. But anyway, I mean, look it's still you still have a chance to get back in the game and potentially win. Yes. It's a long shot. But to me if you have a chance, you're still you're still in the game. You're not eating cheeseburger yet, which is the the Bush Kaos Casse threshold. I forgot about that track. Eating cheeseburger. On the game. Yeah. That's a good point. I don't I don't see it along the lines of like a New Yorker or purple Kelly who quit with a couple of days left in the game. Seemingly for no reason. I do understand it as extinction seems really hard. But he's still quit the game. He still had a chance to get back in and potentially win. Is there something to him basically saying just to play devil's advocate here? He's saying like I wanted the strategy. I wanted the challenges that isn't what's happening here. And now he has no chance. Well, I mean, you know, he didn't have much. No, I agree with that. I agree with it. Even when he was in the game. He didn't have much chance of engaging in an I file it under a nineteen year olds do crazy stuff all the time. Keeps fine. He's fine. I think as I look I don't take away from him as a person. I don't think this means that just because he quit survivor. He's going to like quit things in real life. No, I understand it. Which is why I don't think it's as bad as other quits and survivor history. But I would guess that the great majority. This is no don't put that on the list. Yeah. Also, it also makes it I think it strengthens the show it shows that fiction is hard. I mean, so that's like that makes it more. Like if he went the whole season, you might feel like it wasn't that hard over. But Wendy was the bigger the bigger surprise, right? Yes. She was just like that. You know, she said in the episode. I didn't pull this clip like everything that could go wrong to me. Did it's like, well, I'm a lot of this stuff was kind of the things that fell on her ankle that happened. But right. A lot of the other things were sort of self made on buddy made me release the. Still the Flint somebody to any alliance or work with anybody and constructive way. Okay. Let me go to this tweet. Here's Abby Maria the Abby Maria and she said at official survivor underscore CBS. Hashtag survivor hashtag family representing and supporting at million dollar mile CBS at King James hashtag premier hashtag million dollar miles. Wow. She's hyped up. Very very hyped up for million dollar mile. Scott were US pumped up as Abby Maria was for the million dollar mile. Oh, I couldn't stop feeling excited about it. So excited I forgot to watch it. Hey, Abby Maria break. She's just excited about a brand new show. That's on CVS. That's a great point Tim Tibo that Maria is very excitable, and I can't begrudge her for being excited rea-, Tim. And now look Timothy's significantly slower than the start of this race. Little give a break. Bitcoin. Let's see what he decides to do. Up to watch. What is going on? I'll be honest. I'm I'm way we're excited for to listen to your your recap with Kirk Clark than I am to watch shows, which I think is is I could probably say about most shows that you and Kurt Clark cover past. If she had posted that clip, I might have watched. Hey, get Abby Maria break that she turned her ACL in one of the early challenges in the game. That's why she can't sitting out. That's a fair point. Tim Tibo did not even consider that. When we talked about Abby Maria continuously sitting out of do. I am corrected. That's my favorite clip of Tim. Tebow money. Spent also Abby Maria will be my guest this Thursday on the podcast. We get into get your million dollar mile questions in for Abby Maria now just going to be million mile or so now we're talking about survivor. I I'm gonna go meet up with Abby Maria in-person this Thursday on our recap show. Dr Mike on next week. Feedback show. Nice. Well, how did he feel about million dollar mile? Ask him. I talked to him this morning, and he was running. I don't know if he was training for the million dollar mile. I would love to see a lot of stuff that we have to get into Dr Mike. To my he had a he had an interesting video on social media this week. I don't know. I tweeted. Sneak preview about that about about different about very much. It was about nartz. That's what he was talking about. Yeah. I don't know if it really counts survivor social media. But it was social media from survivor that I found enter -taining. Okay. T-bird she Tibor every season for the starting season. She ends up tweeting out like some something along the lines of. More now Laima head to sleep. And I hope that there's no quitters this season. Like, she is she's very much. He's always hoping there's no quitters this season. And then so this kinda took her by surprise this week. She said the sale going up, no feeling so emotional right now. But love you guys know shame at big Wendy sick that church. Boy underscore sixteen. Hashtag adventure hashtag personal growth. Hashtag survivor edge of extinction probes. They won't bring her back to play again. We'll at least let her come be a cheerleader challenges. Now. Hold on. Here's another tweet from from t-bird. She says tough hashtag immunity shell in forty plus minutes at J angle. Twenty-one drops wind picks up at loudly. Underscore Alexandra drops at Jay Rosenberg to twelve wins, individual immunity, hash survivor, whose Lally Alexandra. That's lauren. Oh, what did we find out her last name as O'Connell? Why is she Lally Alexandra? Maybe that's middleman list of Twitter handles that. I don't get. Ideally, what you want you want your Twitter handle to be names that are completely not yours underscores. Take two words that have nothing that are not neither are your name. And then and then put it underscore in the middle. And then maybe numbers is it Lally Alexander or at BG low which one is. Fan fan of the guests. Jordan is shame. Maybe I is Lally nickname is Alexandra middle name who knows? But if you're looking for her, you, certainly don't I'm kidding. I love your Twitter account first person to ever call in on the on the patron casts, actually. No. That's not true Geordie. We're losing people people you're in the weeds. Okay. Authored Rocco, she tweeted. Edge of extinction life hack when it's cold at night in a holy tarp. Not not one like come on. God like H O L E Y, tarp ain't cutting it one put a rock in the fire. This sounds like the like dick in the box instructions one. Put a rock in the fire. Number two when warm enough put it on your chest. Wow. And then wallah in a few minutes your core warms up. So you can sleep over ten before someone Stokes the fire. An accident pushes burning logs your way. Wow. That's very specific endings very dangerous. Yes. Okay. Well, first off. I mean, I've never heard this of put the make the rocks get hot. And then you. Rock massages. I don't I don't know stone thing. I don't know what it is. I've never I've seen this before though. But it sounds like I don't think putting it in fire step about edge rock the fire. You have time to innovate. Yeah. So don't put your junk in them dumb. Don't don't keep at least wait until Dr Mike is on the podcasts. Okay. Victoria says. Hey, remember that time we caught on fire at Magno? And Aubrey said I thought about today. Protect don't put the fire pit in the middle of your bamboo shelter and a fan wrote in and said where was this? How does not make the edit and Victoria said it was in the middle of the night and our blanket fell into the fire pit was a calming comfort weighted blanket, and it caught on fire and somehow Wendy saw and screamed guys, and we bolted and she says cameraman, I guess we're dead. Victoria sent. And big Wendy says, I was up all hours of the night, not doing chicken related things. Of course. Mark Burnett is told the cameraman if a blanket falls in the fire, you do not stop filming. Yeah. Let it burn burn. So that's crazy story. Big Wendy say the day Scott here is Elizabeth Olsen from lessees. And somebody who also worked with the chickens was working on the sleeping situation as well. Sure. Tweeted upon arriving back home from a morning excursion. I had to go to the bathroom quite badly survivors, always talking about on Twitter going to the bathroom and sometimes on the show. Yes. While trying to quickly Rangel three children. I'm explaining that. I really have to go potty. My oldest says mom, just go outside. You didn't even have toilet paper on survivor. Well, that's true. So Natalie Cole responded. This is so funny. Someone asked me the other day, and I get this question quite often. What do you use for toilet paper? And I get a kick out of asking them in return. What's wrong with you? And. Number one question. I get asked is it really hard food. But yeah, how do you go to the bathroom? People people. Do love people are fascinated with that. I love the Natalie thinks that that's just that question is disqualifying. Well, I just loved it. Somebody like asking questions just like what is wrong with you? As you problem. I would love to Abby able to ask her questions. I love Natalie. Yes, I'm hoping to get Natalie Cole interview this season. But I do wonder now that will be in the back of my head that I will ask her something, and she will just respond. What is wrong with you with that will be all the better? Yes. For us for for us listeners. Okay. I'm seeing if we have anything else from the week in tweets, oh, here's one between Julie Rosenberg that we now know and also she's having an exchange with Ron Clark. And so here is Julie Rosenberg. She says living out my dream of playing survivor is pretty damn amazing. But winning the first individual immunity challenges the season takes it to another level watching with family and friends last night was beyond special. Hashtag survivor hash tag team. Julie hashtag edge of extinction. Hashtag vodka hashtag strong women. We need the merged tribe. Hashtag now, how many how many people? Do you think use the hashtag vodka Scott? Well, I think now that Julie's used it. It's gonna like wild like a blanket at the minute Cam back. Now, I believe that the word vodka is being used a lot as a hashtag. But I don't think one other person used it in connotation with the survivor like I think it was used outside of. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's some sort of a mineral that people are using like like, it seems like there's a lot of like a beauty tweets or like it's like an ingredient in recipes. Herb maybe that's what. The secret is a beautiful woman. She got so hot and has guns. That's yes. Do you agree really like terrible. Strive name. I think one of the worst. I think it is a replacement level merge. Striping generic? Yeah. This grabbed it off the shelf. Right, right. That is out of the box off the rack merge tribe. Name I prefer my merge tribe names to be named after stuffed animals. Yeah. Memorable america. Like you. Don't forget that one. The vodka is going to be the answer to some this week in survivor history quiz four years ago that I'm not gonna have any recollection. In there at some point. Yeah. Okay. Ara- from Iran. So Ron Clark replies. Those guns and Julie says, thanks, rob those eyebrow raises. Thanks, rob. Yeah. And Ron Ron Clark said damn Julie, focus. She said, why did I say, rob I was typing fast and didn't have on my glasses unless your name is really, rob. And I had it wrong. The whole time. Why is Ron policing type of onto? It was his name. And I love karma loves commas. Yes. Red pen now commas. That's why I'm I'm a teacher. I prefer a semi colon. I will circle it. If you don't have it is that one of the Ron Clark rules. Always correct. Somebody's punctuation. Well, listen, he even gave Joel a quiz, buddy. What's the plane? You go follow those arts, make sure not tonight. Hope not. Then he said Joe made a mistake. Correct. Joe's I circled that more that was wrong to frowny face. Joe you fail. All right. We're going to get into finally the this week in survivor history quiz, but let me take. And thank our other sponsor here today. Now, Scott, are you a big sports fan? Oh, I mean, I'm one of the big. Yes, I'm superman Lee and macho so much that I don't follow any sport. You don't need to. You're busy playing right with my DVD's. All right. Well, the March madness is. Reaching a Christian DOE here. And of course, we are part of the hashtag s- podcast one sports net. Barack it where I had Jordan Kayla fill out. My Barack it of all of the other podcast one hosts that are competing and Jordan. You have any guesses on how we're doing. I would say based on the fact that we're like fifty six point fifth percentile on ESPN right now, I'm gonna guess we're right in the middle. Maybe a little bit higher than the middle. 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So you have a one one week winning streak your I believe what four and one on the season, so far so you're doing well, rob. But Scott is coming in. He's coming in hot. He says he thinks he's going to be. So the rules of the quiz. I was making according to last week. I I do sometimes make up the order of the question. So it's it's yeah. We found out last week that the fixes in against me, Scott. Yeah. I heard that against you not against you. It's just it's just I don't want to give you too many Amazon, but I have questions and you've got questions wrong before. So maybe I shouldn't be. I need to get some quick motivation from Keith so well Hello winners. Thank you. Thank you. I will say no Amazon this week. So nothing nothing. Crazy nothing fishy going on. So there are four multiple choice questions as always you'll each get to answer these questions if you hear the multiple choice, and you're right. You get two points. If you try to go for two and you're wrong your opponent could steal appoint with the correct answer. If you hear the multiple choice options, and you're right. You get one point your opponent can't steal. If you only go for one. And then we'll have a death match at the end which in which both of you can receive points. So our categories this week. We have the president. We have exiled an immune. We have the four horsemen and survivor trivia. Wow, survivor street trivia is very okay. All right. Come on. God. Am I supposed to choose a category you go? You're the guest. Go. I I admit that I sometimes zone out during the same way zone out win. Jeff explains a challenge. The thing is so rob. I. I don't have to explain the rules. Like, I mean, I think most of the people listening probably know them at this point. I if there is like. One of the rare listeners whose tooting in week six into into twists. Maybe they confused, you know. You know, it's fine. All right. So Scott which which category. Do you want? For which season where the four horsemen I'm going to go Africa. So fall season. Rob. Quantum on the question. Which is too bad. Because I. The Randy Bailey world like I need seasons. One through ten and I'm really tight because that's that's that's my sweet spot. Let's see. I wanna stay loyal to bow Jack. But I'm really intrigued by survivor history trivia, which is the most generic sounding category. So I'm gonna go with that. Okay. Survivor history trivia, which is technically what would you for for all the questions on this quiz? But we're going to survivor all stars mad scramble and broken hearts from April April first two thousand four that is fifteen years ago Monday in these survivors in may Monday. So they teen years ago bay Monday in the all-star survivor trivia, immunity challenge, the Shapira and Mogo tribes went to tiebreaker in which they had to name as many I boots as possible from the previous seven seasons. Mogo Mogo got all seven while Shapiro got only six prompting the infamous deal between Boston Robin, lex, which I did they forget who that's a good question. I am which tribe was it that lost Mogo Mogo lost. Shapiro lusts allies got six out of seven. I'm thinking it's either between Thailand, Amazon, I. Or maybe it was her. Okay. Let me go to. Let me go to multiple choice. Okay. So for one point was eight Diane Ogden be John Raymond see Nicole Delma de Ryan Aken. I'm going to say, it was this is a total. Guess john? John Raymond is. Unfortunately, incorrect so four. Hell. Before before the Shapira tribe went to the challenge they were actually having a conversation. I believe it was I think it was cave yoke Kathy fabric O'Brien who was talking about that. She couldn't remember the name of the girl in the blue dress from survivor Pearl islands, which I would guess only a couple of weeks before. Film survivor all stars. But it was Nicole Delma. So Scott you start s my wife. Could you forget? Nicole, Nicole Palmeri at the time. Now, Nicole sister, Nina was she was she mad that these Shapira tribe. Forgot her namesake furious. If if you know my wife often. Completely furious. So Scott, unfortunately, you have zero points and rob turn pick the next category. We have the president exiled immune and the horse for resident or precedent. The president. Spelled like, okay got it of the United States. And then what is Jack four horsemen? What's the other one and exiled an immune? Okay. I will take the president. Okay. So we're going to go to survivor Kagi on head of the snake from April. Second two thousand fourteen that is five years ago Tuesday this week in survivor history. Sarah Lassina became the merge boot of survivor Kagi on. However, that's not the only facts relevant to the president who won her vote steel which evolved into an extra vote on survivor ghost island. I kind of gave you the wrong season for the this week permission to me on its way. That's why so Sarah sina. So this is a ghost island question. I actually I messed up here on the on the date information. I can get that for you. You're working question. Wow. A rare a rare mistake here. Yeah. Survivor goes style. And I could give you the data that up not like. Now like it's going to help you figure it out. So this episode just say the question again. Sarala schism who got Sarah CENA's votes steel in survi- survived ghost island. Yeah. But was it was it? Okay. So the episode is risky four. So we're talking about Sarah seena that she got she got voted out in survivor Kagi on. And then we're asking a question about when she played in survivor game changers. She got a vote steel and then who got it in a completely third season in this one. So the fact that I brought up Kagi on it was it was just it was a coincidence that to Sarah with things happen relevant this week. But yeah, she's why did she get the and which advantage was that? This was the only relevant part of this question. Forget the whole thing about. Who won who won Sarel CENA's votes steel, which evolved into an extra vote on survivor style. And this is go styling question from the episode got the biscuit. Okay. Wow. I will say that it was kellyn who had the votes steel on ghost island. That is correct. So you get there goes Thailand question, not a question. I I kind of tricked myself without. Sort of the inception of this week in survivor history questions season within a season within a season. Okay. So young two zero good job. Cal kellyn did get the get the extra vote, which it evolved into an extra vote as I said during the question. So bit of a poorly worded question. I'll agree with you on that one. That's I. Reas-? I will agree with that one. Got a little bit nuts. Okay. Got we'll tell you a lot of nuts in this episode. By the way, enough we have two two more questions immune or the beau Jack four horsemen. I will I'll go with beau Jack for go to survivor Fiji. So you think you can mecca from April fifty thousand seven twelve years ago Friday, we're actually going to be talking about survivor Fiji one question for this the whole time so due primarily to Earl Kohl's leadership Emoto won the mecca dance challenge which of the four horses backflip at the end of robbers losing mecca. Oh, all right. So let me think this out. I know who the four horsemen were which one of them was capable of doing a backflip. I don't remember seeing it happened. I will go with I'm gonna go with Gardo at Gardo is incorrect since you didn't hear choice. Rob. You have a chance you can still. I believe it's dreams. Dreams is correct. Rob you show. Yeah, they lost. But very backfoot there by by dreams. Unfortunately, their whole mecca was a little bit. Getting killed three zero. And rob. Here's here's you wanna raise the mast, Scott. No, never I'm digging deep. Just because it's a long shot doesn't mean that you should leave the game. So rob you're up three zero. Also your question here. So if you. Actually, if you get this question is I've never done this before I believe we still play it. We'll still play the final. It's fun. It's fun. But rob if you get this one, right? Whether you go for one or two you clinch it here. So the last question is exiled immune. We're going to survive Micronesia a loss puppy dog from April third two thousand eleven years ago Wednesday in the episode directly before the merge, which member of the molecule try was exiled and subsequent subsequently given individual immunity at tribal council. Can you hear the question? One more time sure in the episode directly before the merge, which member of emol tribe. It was exiled and subsequently given individual immunity at tribal council. Okay. I would like to hear the choices short. Was it? A Amanda Amanda Kimmel be Amy Kusak. See Sirri fields de Ozzy. I really have very little recollection of this. I will say it was Ali is correct. So rob four point lead going into the final round, which we're okay? So what we'll do you bone? This is J T style. Embarrassed. That's all right. And this is I don't know if this happened before, but we are we are going to do one round. We went to the whole fire on the questions. Let's let's thing. The thing. I like this game. I liked this game to the death matches called true or false. I will read a short paragraph about emerged tribal from survivor history. You must tell me if the paragraph is true or false. If anything in the paragraph is not true. The answer will be false. If everything is accurate. The answer will be true for answers will be given during actually read this right now. So how much do you trust that you got things? Right. You're completely and you are not going to get tweets from people like I think they'd for the sake of you George Kayla. I think that you should punt on even doing this game because you know. That is going to be something. That you gotta risk it to get the biscuit, I'm gonna I'm gonna put my my credibility on the line here. So I will give each one. It's not gonna be point. It's going to be for fun. But so I'll have you Scott, you you could go first pick it up for. For okay at the worlds apart merge. The minority alliance of Jenn Haley Joe and Serena got one over on the bigger group. Jen played her idol negating the eight votes against her. The only four votes that counted were those against Kelly Remington sending her out of the game. The only for votes that counted. I mean, there's so much in that statement, I'll say false then false is correct. And the reason why Wilson's voted for Halley. They they didn't want to tell him the plan. Just in case he was still working with the no, collars and only seven gen votes were negated, rob. I was great on the feedback show this week. I I thought it was rushing. She had showed that personality on the show. Yeah. And rob you could you could put a cherry on top of your victory here. If you get this one, right, but Scott, at least you get to walk away saying that you got a question on this weekend survivor history. Rob here's the last question the quiz Sarala Lassina thought that she this is this is cocky on. Sarala thought that she was in these. Sarlis Yuna thought that she was in the swing. Why is this in this wing vote? Let me start those over Sarah. This was in the wing vote position and sided with the alliance that included the former brains tribe members at tribal council worried that they were in the minority Tony plead his idol on himself, followed by Eljay doing the same this proved to be unnecessary as the opposing alliance voted for jeffer-. Furthermore, cast felt disrespected by her all the lions became the actual swing vote and help the Tony L J side vote out officer, Sarah. I believe there is a falsehood in that statement the false. It is. I don't think Tony play the idol on himself. Tell yes, Tony L J L Eljay played on Tony. So you are both correct there. They were both false. And I liked that game. I that games coming back. Okay. Good goody. My JT level embarrassment. I'm still thrilled to played Twiss. Yes. You got you got your final question. Right. And look if rob had gotten his last question wrong, you were right there. Who knows what would have happened in the phone who knows winners? Thank you got who who's who's the who's the first -vivor? You follow followed on Twitter. This is another question. I know you actually save face. And and get a question right here. I don't really care about getting this one, right? To be honest. But it would be interesting to find out. I guess rob. I mean, I don't know. I join Twitter like a long time ago. So rob was third. The first one you followed was Jerry, man. And the second one is real Cole. If you got that Fiji question wrong, though, I know, well, you know, it wasn't a dream. Scott. We also like to check the voice mail in box for anything that we didn't get to in the earlier podcast from the week. Here's one from Corey rob Gorby here had a question for you. Sorry. Hold on a second night garage door isn't going down. Come on garage. Come on. Sorry. I'm going to have to call. You back. Is this Corey be my my wand off ops this week? Yes. Yeah. Most weeks most weeks. Let's see anything else that was. Really subpar. Are we see what crazy Dave had to say? Hi, Robyn Haley. This is crazy Dave from West Virginia just wanted to call and ask about the individual immunity necklace for this season. It look like when they first revealed it before the challenge, they zoomed in on the centerpiece, and that looked early similar to the idol that Rick found in his bag after coming back from extinction. So my question is survivor really be that bold to put an individual immunity idol on the immunity necklace. And who do you think remaining in the game would notice that? I love to hear thoughts. Thanks. What do you think about the turn Ducan immunity, necklace a? A. There's a hidden idol on the the front of the necklace does seem to have like a circle medallion. Do you think that you could take that piece off of the immunity necklace, and it would be a hidden immunity idol. Well, it's certainly worth a try. But I I think it would be really fun. But I think if that was really what was happening. The camera would have lingered a lot on that. Right. I feel like we would have given a hint the way in David versus Goliath. There was that picture up at the feast or something, and they kind of kept going back to it. Right. I think it sets up a potentially awkward moment at one of the media challenges where Jeffs like all right? First things first gonna need back. That nNcholas what happened to that nNcholas? Why did you defaced the unity necklace Neidl? I did actually like crazy. Dave, I didn't notice that the center of this idol does look like the the half idol that Devon's guide where you give the other half to to David. But I think crazy Dave might be reading a little bit too much into this. I think that you know, like to keep the art consistent throughout the season. I think just sort of fits the and actually a magazine had a similar theory a couple of weeks ago, where I believe the dragon had this little like Golden Ball when that when it was tribal immunity, and that never came to anything. So I don't think that's what's happening. But on my second viewing of the show. I did notice that his idol did look like the center of the individual nudity necklace, the idea. All right. This is a cool idea. I just don't think that's what's going on the season. No, okay. Got what do you think is going to happen next week? Well, clearly, I based on my performance on the quiz. No. Wiz is looking backwards. Now, we're asking you to look forward forward. I'm very hopeful that the other six will figure out a way or combine their idols. I don't know how they can work together. I mean, I think the most likely person goes going to be either Kelly, or if the alliance of six turns on each other, or if the if an idol is played successfully, I think Ron is on thin ice. Yeah. Randy pointed to Ron being set up as a bit of a mastermind early for that. Yeah. I don't know if it's earlier not I just I feel like he is a ring leader. So he may be targeted as a leader of that six. But you know, your guess is good as mine. I don't know. What do you think's gonna happen? I think Kelly if they're smart they should aim for Kelly. Yeah. Did you feel like that? That was the right? Call to go after Joe this week instead of Kelly. Do you want to weigh in on that? You know, I've heard both arguments I could have gone either way I feel like this way. They have successfully turned the. The circular firing squad is yeah. Each other. There is an argument to me made for getting rid of Joe as soon as you have the opportunity I feel like if they would have kept Joe, though, maybe one more vote he would have stopped. He would have been a vote for them. Like he in Aurora are now Aurora is now a bit more up for grabs. Maybe they would have stayed calm a strong. You know, if they were able to kind of a love, comma, you know, if they could have kept the I love comma, going a little bit longer than there'd be less likely comma of the mon- who's pulling pulling Joe Aurora in and they could still blindside Joe. Okay. I just can't I can't imagine like on paper. I could see the argument against voting out. Joe here just from a numbers perspective. But you have to look at the, you know, the events of the season you have to look at the people are David. David Kellyanne, Lauren really gonna come together and tell each other that they have idols obviously learning Kelly know that they have idols, but I can't see these two sides, trusting each other. It's fractured, and I really think based on that. I think the convicts made the right move. But eventually, of course, they're going to have to turn on each other and go going forward. I could really see the comic saying, look, there's a good chance just based on their past history that either Kelly David has an idol, and I kind of see potentially either like Lauren if she doesn't play hers, or maybe a Devon's going home doesn't really seem like anyone's talking about were dog which. Doc for him could be good for him going forward. What are the mathematical chances of being the war dog? Twelve twelve thirteen fourteen twelve. Listen ten percent. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. All right. Scott chernoff. Why does it say in your? Twitter bio TV's, three's company, twin peaks, and those are your favorite shows. I think those are among those are pretty Representative of what I love twin aches, I still love three's company. And obviously a survivor super nerd. If there was more room. I think I was doing threes. I had listed some credits in threes. So I could probably list about two hundred of my favorite shots who wants to hear that. Do you know that Ron Clark also loves three's company? Really when now I'm rooting for Ron comma knock on my door. Okay. You got. Huge fan of three's company. Scott, would you rather be stuck on the edge of extinction or in the red room? Oh, that's a good question. I think the red room is a lot harder to get out of. So take a day in the red room, and then transfer over to the edge of extinction by the rich is or how would you like to be in red Rimon? I could stay there all all year. That's it. All right. As long as she reams me Taylor. Verbally remained hourly, bro. You can follow Scott on Twitter. He is at Scott chernoff. Is there any hopes? Yes. Yeah. I was gonna say is that a rod approved your name. That's good. There you go. I know not everybody not everybody can get their name. You have to be more creative. If that's if that's the, but you know, your Twitter handle is in Jimmy underscore. Tommy. No, no. It's not. Yeah. Not yet. So there you go Scott is that could be can't that be JT's Twitter account. Be a JT silent. Barris ING Twitter handle. Okay. So Scott is there any hope for the listeners that the snakes rats goats podcasts could come back. There is hope there is hope I I've we're just, you know, we don't have our act together. Like, you do rob for us. It was just an excuse to talk to each other and friends about survivor, but the scheduling is is very difficult because we're both very important men in the media, right? I do wanna thank you for bringing us together. Because I was listening to you. And you played some of his music of Ryan's music. Why didn't I thought that you you and Ryan elder? We're friends we were, but we knew each other through, you know, show biz and through I think I'll channel one or comedy. Comedy. I love comma the. And we knew each other. But I was listening to rob has a podcast, and it was probably a tweet song. And he said, thanks to Ryan elder. Wait a minute. And I know a Ryan elder who does music. It's gotta be him. Yeah. So I messaged him. And we discover that unbeknownst to one another where both huge survivor super fans. We started talking about survivor constantly and. One thing led to another and snakes rats goats was born is a lot of fun with it. And we would often you were great to do it. Most of our guests were people from showbiz ever seen survivor. Well, I was going to say that I feel like that. This would be such a great season to ring in a friend. Who has never seen an episode of survivor has not watched it in twenty years. And now watch this like. Always confused island where they live. Also are the people on the island are they but they're out of the game. Like how do the game for now? They're still they might be back. We've got a lot. We would get a lot of questions like that. Then Natalie would not approve of rob. I actually do have a friend who I think the last season. He watched was like maybe Africa and he did come back the season. And he's had that reaction. A lot is also his main take on the season. He's a vegetarian and I asked him. What would you do in one spot? And he would be like I would eat them chickens. That'd be hungry. We would get people who had never seen the show, and we're just plunged into a random episode midway through that they'd have to watch midway through season. We'd get the most basic questions. Not where do they go to the bathroom? We get questions. Like is there a prize? Like, why are they they're my favorite being? So these challenges is always just people running through multicolored lanes. That's an actual question. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I had Natalie. What is wrong with you? As a sound drop. I know I can get her to record it with me when we talked to her you will probably naturally drop. Ask a question to get her to say that have lead the witness. Okay. All right scotch and a great job here today. We still have the wiggle room to come this week stuff to get the Josh Wigley everything that he's thinking here at the merge this week's wand off as well. And then we, of course, have Rene coming up as well just drop that already a kiva, and I solved a murder this week. We tried our hands at fictional crime. Podcasting as we watched season three episode seven of CSI, New York and reported back after each act break on the most recent development. So instead of. Instead of watching a show the hallway through and talking about it. We take you the audience on a ride through each act of a New York episode and all the developments at recording one episode of that are you happy that it is not your you'll have your way. You'll have to. Whole podcast we dodged a bullet. Yes. Big bullet was dodged at least by us. Okay. I love were an app is right now. I love having the new topic every week. Yes. Of course, then be back with Stephen fish back. This Wednesday night Abby Maria on the feedback show. Everybody on the recap show next week Dr Mike on the feedback show. And then Jenny autumn will be our guest on this week in survivor coming up next week. Of course, you could follow Jordan Kayla on Twitter as well. The very straightforward at Jordan Kayla. Yes. Yes. Very very basic. But I know you like basic look straightforward not complicated. Confusing. That's I that's deal. That's what you want. I don't think my Twitter handle. I I wasn't saying basically is about thing. I think that it is the way to go. Okay. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 2 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 2 Recap

"Smartest guys. Break it down. Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all. Vada? Game. Yes. That is a right. The survivor know it alls are back here after a number two. Of extinction. I wanted choice. What a crazy choice Keith is left with this. He plays -vivor or does he quit survivor? What hanger? Okay. We have a real cliffhanger on our hands cliffhanger. I'm curious. I wanna analyze this is a real cliffhanger because I mean, it seems to be some kind of some kind of hanger little bit little bit of a cliffhanger. We're left with the decision tonight of whether or not Keith is going to join ream on extinction island, even fish back. What do you think? I mean, I'm trying to figure out like is there any way he doesn't take it. Like, what is the scenario where Keith doesn't take? And question. Do they leave us with the cliffhanger? If he doesn't take it wouldn't that be like a crazy way to end the episode with him, not taking it, right? I would say that. I think it's very unlikely. He doesn't go. Oh, but you know, can I paint the scenario where he doesn't go yet? He's nineteen. You can't predict what nineteen year old will do it any given moment. Well, that's the thing. And it's such an emotional thing. He's just gone through to be voted out of survivor. You're like in this blackout state. You know, I think that in World War. Yeah. And we're only joking about what? Why God look this guy houses decision at all? Like just think about like his mental state at that moment. I've been voted out of server, rob. You've been voted out as forever many many years ago when you played. But you're just sitting in this total totally spaced out like many, people don't even remember the experience. They don't remember the walk out of trouble council. So. Imagine that. And then you're confronted with something that feels like a choice, even if it's not really a choice. Suddenly, you're like whole brain explodes. Look, I think it's probably ninety nine percent. He's gonna go to extinction island, right? Yeah. No. I think he's he's going. He's gonna he's gonna join rim. My thought on it is that he might be the only person who really ends up looking at that. As like, what do I do? I got a decision to make where every other persons like oh back in the game. Okay. Let me get right on the boat. But it's probably just shocking because like, yeah, he had this reaction. Like, it's just like such an incredible strange thing that it has to be real, you know. All right. We'll talk about everything going on tonight and much more. I really enjoyed the Sepah sewed the second episode of survivor season. I think is underrated because you had the load in. Already in the premier and you never get a reward challenge, which I don't love love reward challenges. So you're going to get an episode and a lot of camp life in a second episode of survivor. I think a second episode survivor is a very underrated thing. How much of survivor though, especially the second episode is now driven by contestants desire to make gifts. Oh, there's a camera five feet away. I didn't even notice I was doing my wacky dance. You think Ron Clark is looking for gifts. Stephen Ron Clark is a viral star. Right. Didn't he all of them? They're all thinking like what's my wacky gift for the wacky? Not just Ron. I don't wanna call any one person out. I'm calling out a culture of gift making what's your wacky gif? I mean, that's the problem. That's why I'm like old school survivor. I was not ready in fish back. Gif probably hitting the wrong target in the slingshot, you crying. Well, it's all seating. Survivor. If is a top one that come that comes up. Let's this one. This is the one that I get a lot is. It's just me at the. I season just turning around smiling and giving the thumbs up after I won the chicken hearts in the tweet me, you're the number one Stephen fish back. We don't need that. We don't need to go down that road. But at least we're on the same page of gift versus Jeff, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So we're off to a good start are already already in agreement about everything going on here. So a lot to do here tonight. Of course, tomorrow morning, Stephen talks to another one of your friends. This is like the I'm going through this. This is your life because last week I talked to Kimmy Cap'n Berg today. I'm talking to or tomorrow morning. I'm talking to another one of your great, friends, Mr. coach. Oh exciting. Yeah. First time in a long time since I had coaches, the recap guest gonna talk to coach tomorrow morning gonna have Lear on the voice mails this week as well. So should be very fun week of survivor. Recaps even back. Yeah. Coach great person to ask about the captain scenario. Cuts reach out to him. I said, okay talk about this. And what is it like, you know, how do you wrangle these first time players when you're three timer? You should try to get one of the coach was like a pretty successful catch and you need like Russ swan. Well, we're going to talk to him live show this season. So you get a gym, really? Of course, the fill the Philly community. That's awesome. That's exciting. I forgot about that. We're gonna cover this from all the angles, Stephen. All right. So, of course, hashtag aren't JP to get your questions into the show when we will hear what the listeners have to say like we do every single week Steven. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I really liked this. You know, I my problem with as I've mentioned, and I will continue talking about my problems with with their attorney the captain season is that sold at the new players end up being defined by the relationship to the vets. So it's you know, we. We learn a lot about are. They on team newbie are the team I'm vet. You know, you've got Eric and Gavin who they want to take out a Aubrey Joe, meanwhile, you've Lauren and she's wants to be went with best friend. But what I thought was a really fun wrinkle was focusing on the vets perspective of holy crap. These newbies are coming for me. And what does Aubrey do in that situation apparently, not the right thing? But it was interesting as we continue this dialogue here tonight. Yeah. I thought that this season is shaping up to be very interesting for me. Because that we're seeing the veterans seemed to be struggling where the new players seem United in. We're not having it. We're we're not we're not just going to roll over and die and follow the the veterans, and we saw that in both the camps that the players were talking about this that we're not just going to go after and it really did feel like that the threat level for Kelly Wentworth was real do you feel like that? We were sold a good season was Kelly went really on the hot seat tonight. I mean, it sure looked like I'm really I really wanted to. I'm curious to talk to you about David decision. Yes. To target her because I see both sides, you know, and I'm curious I really I want to I want to talk through with you. Let's do whatever you say. I know is wrong. I'll go with the opposite perspective come on. Stephen. I think it's really interesting that David Wright says I am totally on board with a blindside of Kelly Wentworth. I feel like that. I come down more. More on the war dog side of things that I think it's too premature and I liked where war dog was coming from. I'm not sure if it's war Doug the war dog either he referred to himself as the war dog. So I feel like that. That's probably correct. So you're clear cleaning the camera and the real glory smudged smudged it. That was very surreal. But so the war dogs says look Kelly is not as is not we're not going to take our eyes off her. We know where she is. She's a shield in front of us. We're gonna keep her out in front, and she's always going to be a bigger target than than we are in the game. So let's keep Kelly Wentworth around. It's it's shortsighted David is coming at it. As that. I know Kelly win worth doesn't wanna work with me. So it's like a prisoner's dilemma for David of Kelly isn't coming for me now, but I need to come for her now before she's coming for me. I think there's that element of he's gotta get Kelly out. I also wanna make the argument that David has done a really great job of kind of fading back integrating himself into the tribe. You know, in a way that seems like he's got his really solid relationship with Rick. He's got his main ally. But he's also in most conversations are happening with him or around him. People are coming to him. You see him in all these all these conversations agreeing to things I think David's game is served by not having Kelly there. Because yet granted it makes him a bigger target on the one hand. But on the other hand, it also makes there's less of a threat. There's fed of the returnees if there are fewer returnees, you know, he has a chance to just be David. If he's the only return either when there are four returnees in the game. They're a group in their scary. Yes. Yes. I think it's fascinating to think about and I think it's also very interesting that we I don't even think we saw tonight a conversation between David and Kelly. What are they talking about when when they get together? And I thought it was really interesting tribal council where there was a lot of talk about is there blindside is you're going to be a blindside tonight. Everybody was in agreement about there being a blindside. So like it ended up being a blindside of Keefe. I think that he thought it was going to be a blindside of Kelly, but did was Kelly under the impression that hey key thinks we're blindsiding you tonight. I would imagine. So right. I mean, I think that she clearly. These. My guess is that they all sort of the the got on the same page. Right. And I think you can tell that largely because of the Wendy vote in the Wendy vote is the we're just gonna cast one vote for Wendy just to make sure in case by some fluke chance Keith has an idol. So given that Wendy vote. My thought is the whole tribe got on the same page about let's get rid of kief. Some people were doing it because they thought Keith was a week challenge performer some people were doing it because they just didn't have traction for a different plan. But I think I think that was sort of the overall tribe consensus, so if you're David and now there's all this talk that you are on board with this plan to take out Kelly Wentworth, and then you did not take out Kelly Wentworth, isn't that really dangerous? Isn't that really dangerous? A lot of people Chris knows about this plan war dog knows about this plan. That isn't that they're very high danger of detection that word is going to get back to. Kelly Wentworth about this. But it's all people who already want her out like why would the people who are plotting to take her out go tell her that that they're people. I mean, this is the danger always on surviving. Right. Is that your plan is going to get back to the person that you're plotting against? But I think David has like pretty good plausible deniability here. You know? And that's what's so awesome. Is that he didn't approach anyone about this plan? Right people. Keep coming to him. It's like he says in this confessional. This plan is going to happen without me having to even dooney where Wendy comes to him and pitches voting out Wentworth Chris comes to him in pitches. Come voting out went worth, you know, he doesn't really need to go into the driver. So he just needs to kind of agree seen. What do you think you've played with Kelly Wentworth? Do you think that if you were coming at it from David's position? Do you think that that's the right move to takeout Kelly? Well earlier I think what on this vote. I think what is happening is perfect for David Wright where Kelly is a target people are talking about taking her out, but people aren't actually voting route. So I think to have Kelly in the game as this giant distraction that focuses people's attention is really really useful to him in the fact that she doesn't get eliminated. And then they kind of think of who's the next one is also really useful to him. And I don't so. Right. Would you agree with that? You know, I just feel like it's early. I mean, I think that the way that I that I would play this as that. I would wanna keep Kelly around for as long as I possibly could. I mean, just because you'll always be a target. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think like she's always a target. I mean, I do think that there's a chance like I was in before that having Kellyanne Mogamed hurts David's game because it inhibits him from really blending into the rest of the trip while there are multiple returnees. He's never gonna be able to sort of get out from that mantle. Can he ever get out from that mantle? Anyway, I mean people have done it, right Penner. I mean, maybe maybe maybe scooping. Did it did what? Was able to be more of just a player in the game. And not a like, this is the huge threat return eve that we have to get out. Yeah. You know, Kelly's reputation has really preceded her. It does not seem like David writes, reputation. Whatever it is with this growth possible, though, like how how are people sleeping on David? That's why I think that that David Wright just came from a season where there were so many big personalities between your, you know, Hannah Zeke and Jay and Adam bread in a big season. And I think that there was like the cast was moral on samba all than a cast like survivor second chances which had basically, you know, Jeremy and Kelly as like the big stars that people cared about in the I got more confessionals than I think either justify. Yeah. But she came up that season. And I think that she was like one of the big stories. She was like the you should have one person. And I think that really ended up sticking in people's minds more so than David which is crazy because you know, there's there's an argument to be made that Kelly might have won if she'd gotten to the end, David definitely would have one. Yeah. Well forever. David David set up really well with this group that we saw him bond with with Rick Evans with Devon's that made a big deal with him to have Devon's Kim vote him out at the final four a really funnel. That's a really fun alliance. Yeah, they're very they're very fun. And that Dave did a good job of identifying Wendy. He was he had that conversation last week where she's never vote against ream and David. Hey, keep somebody like this around. Yeah. Yeah. So do you think thou ended up paying off dividends for Wendy? I do think that there is something there. I mean, she's nobody's looking at her. She's not scheming that she wasn't even really on the table tonight. She was still their default. Whatever. Default Winward still pushing the when the Wendy narrative, but that basically the whole David side and then war dog ultimately came around on her. She's good in the challenges. Yeah. I mean, she was still other name that they wrote down. Yeah. I mean, one it shows she's very disposable to try the the the safety the safety vote is not someone who you value. What can Kelly Wentworth do here now? Stephen. Yeah. That's that's I mean, it's really really curious. I'm so curious to hear exit interviews to find out what she is doing. Why is she in this position where I know? I know it's terrible. It's so sad. Where everyone kind of wants out the only people are either going to keep her because she's a shield or they want her out because she's a threat, but other than Lauren, we don't see people who actually wanna work with her. You don't I thought was so interesting was weighing win worth said. Okay. Look Wendy's the target we need to go out and all form an idol search party because she's going to go out there, and she's going to find the idol, and then she's going to get the jump on us. So we need to go out there and prevent that. And I just think it's such an interesting like human reversal that, you know, you basically like accused people of the kind of thing that you would go. Yeah. She's really like projecting like her own survivor backstory onto Wendy of I've been in her position. If that was me, I would go find the idol. I would go, you know, right down savage his name, and then be able to pull off a complete blind side on the trip. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And then it ends up being her young protege who who actually pulls. And I thought that was so interesting. She's like, I'm not going to share this with Kelli. Kelli Kelli, wouldn't do it Kelly is my idol, but she will not get my idol. Yeah. But she's playing it as Kelly would play it by not telling Kelly. Yeah. Yes. She's the student has become the teacher or just still the student doing the things the teacher taught her to do. Yeah. Do you think that she will reverse course on that? I don't know my not. No, no. No, no. Yeah. Okay. 'cause you do. It's early. It's early. It's hard to keep a secret for a long time on survivor, easy secret the day of, but you know, sometimes you get bored. Kelli Kelli well worth it. She did a probably what like thirteen days. Let's talk a little bit about Keith. Do you feel like that? He was unfairly targeted by the group, Stephen eighteen days. No. I mean, I think he was probably the right choice. Right. Like, he was he was already sort of on the outs with them. He did do really badly in the challenges. I think there is a case to be made for that tribe that we're getting smoked the challenges. The other tribe has Joe we have there's got to be some deference paid to challenge strength and. You know, he was never really with that that major major group to begin with. And I think that that. I think that the idea of keeping went worth around as a shield as good one. So I I think he is probably and keeping Wendy around is a good idea because because the only person who really hurts from Keith getting voted out is Chris just because purple Chris, I think you call him purple Chris which because he is the only one who has pledged loyalty to any decision is good for some people in bad for other people the key. I mean, do you think that it was unfair? No, I don't that. He reminded me of you tonight in the episode when he said they asked him about like. Hey, boy, Keith that performance that was a disaster and said a line. I believe you've said, hey, no ring toss will not define my survivor game. Yeah. No one's getting voted out. Because of the ring toss he said, I was I was I was fainting. A total total confusion when you said he was like me. Because of course, of course, I have had my share of of challenge believe that you've had that as an exact quote. Yeah. Yeah. But it turned out. He was wrong. The ring us. Yeah. I thought that was so odd though that he got put into the ring toss. I get that he struggled with the swimming. But I thought that that was such a crazy choice of. Okay. Chris you come out. And it didn't seem like it was the kind of thing where you if you land one then you have to to come out because Joe took multiple tosses. It seemed like Chris made. Multiple tosses was really bizarre that Keith ended up being put in the spotlight there. My thought, you know, those challenges such a mess of confusion. Right. Everyone is shouting do this. Let me put me in now. Like, it's like I want. I thought maybe maybe we Christmas a couple that. We didn't see Keith wanted to step up. That was my thought was he wanted to make said, yes. Because like, maybe he felt bad about the swimming. And he was like, this is the way I can redeem myself, and obviously he didn't redeem himself. But that was my thought was that he was trying to step into a hero position. The one thing that crossed my mind. Is there any? Ability did anybody on that tribe? Want to go to tribal council that night was there any like was the went were like voting out Wentworth talk heating up. Was there anybody that might have wanted to go home? And we saw this ghost island where there was the the challenge that Dominic, and I think it also ended with a ring with a ring toss. Also where? I think that it was a Dominic was actually like like like doing really bad and Donovan was actually good at it. But it you do you think this any possibility that that was going on that somebody was like you get in there? I don't see really who that would benefit, you know. I mean Kelly's worried right that when he's going to pull them together. And it's gonna be her. Wendy's get worried, you know, I don't really see Dave intentional thing. I don't know. I don't think so who's who's who's making that play on that tribe. Like, you know. You know, the war dog or dog. I do not see the war dog does that benefit the war dog that does not benefit the dog. Yeah. At the end of that challenge we ever talked about comma yet, which I know you such a big fan of punctuation. So that must be one of your all time favorite tribes dead. Joe was hitting the rings. And then they got down to the last one Joe took himself out had Eric do it. And I'm not sure if we have this this tweet tonight, but that somebody on my Twitter feed asked do you think that Joe pulled himself out because then let Eric hit the last shot that as a way to defuse the target on Joe? I do not. Nobody's thinking like, oh who hit the exact last shot that person won the challenge for where the tread looks over like, oh, man. The Joe did it again like when they look over the did somebody else in the last shot, you're blind until the last five seconds of the challenge. You see Joe if Joe really didn't want to put himself in position, then he wouldn't have made the other seven of eight of eight of them. You know, I mean, maybe he would have done two or three my smart, maybe. Well, well, you don't wanna give Joe credit or you don't think he'll always wanna give Joe credit? That's why I'm second. I'm hedging here. I wanna give Joe credit. I don't know. I mean, it feels like a little thing that he could do it looks like they're definitely gonna win. Why not let the why not let the other guy take the last shot? It's like if you like me, and you are playing pool and not winning and not in all the balls. And I'm like, all right. Let me let Stephen hit the eight ball in. So they don't think that I'm that. Good. Yeah. You could be right. I mean, you could you could be right. Like, let's let's have someone else kind of be in that hero spot. So that it's not as much about me. And you be like Joe Joe wins at for Mecom again, Joey possible. I mean, that's interesting. I was dead set against that interpretation when we started this conversation. And now now you've some looking let's talk about that group because it's Aubrey got a rough go of it. I thought tonight where you know, Aubrey I was doing anything wrong. Like, I think she kinda got like the dodo edit tonight of look at Aubrey. She's given the same spiel to everybody. But I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that. I think just that these players happen to be pretty, you know, sharp for these first time players. Well, what I'll say that. I think there were two things that she did wrong. Right. The first is that I think when you're a new player playing with other new players, or when you're vet playing with other vets you're not going to be necessarily the topic of conversation in the same way that you're gonna be when you are captain playing with almost all new players. And so just she needs to should know that give. She is this in this captain position. She is going to they're going to be talking about her. They're going to be comparing notes about her just inevitably and as a result. I I do think that using some of the same lines and the same tactics. I think I think what makes really effective survivor bonds is trying to find a unique relationship with each person. Right is trying to connect with each person on what on the thing that connects the two of you, and I do think that. Something a little bit pitchy about saying to the same person each each different person the exact same thing. Remind me of me. I mean, the dialogue thing like, whatever. Like people have their idioms people have their word choices, you know, like say like, let's keep dialogue open to multiple people. Like that doesn't seem that crazy to me. But you remind me of me thing like like stuck out a little bit. Yeah. I felt like it was a little unfair to Aubrey way. Oh, yeah. Said that if she said that each person wants over the first six days like it's a good opener. I can't I can't come down that hard on her. I felt like that, you know, with the way it was presented the super cut super entertaining. Really well done by the show. But I she wasn't like having the thing where she's like. Okay. Here's the plan. Okay. This is our final four, and we're we're voting on this person this person the sheet really was just like opening up a literal literal light of. Blog with everybody in the group. You know, I think that Joe by comparison is doing better because it's he seemingly doing nothing strategic base. Like not that we've seen basically nothing. I mean, I will say that less might be more with the returning players. Yeah. I think that's the case. I mean, but to Victoria, how to confessional like aubrey's trying hard and doing a great job. But we see through it. I I didn't think it was such a damning. Yes, it was like very funny. You know, a little bit like at it. But I think yeah. On the fundamentals it wasn't necessarily that damning someone has a confessional saying that she's she's playing smart game. And until everyone compares notes about you about her. She seemed to be she to be doing. Okay. Do you think that Aubrey is a little desperate because there does not seem to be a natural connection? No. No, no. An obvious boot here in this growth, where that you had you had Riemann and you had Wendy Keith. And there were people that were like obvious targets in that group because of the way that they were not really assimilating to the group as a whole. But the really that person who is that we're we're at least seeing boy, that's that person's not pulling their weight that person's not fitting in it anything. We have not spent a lot of time with this group and in both episodes we've seen players talking about how aubrey's the person they wanna get rid of. What about Julie, Julie seems like an obvious person? Who might not be fitting in she's. I mean, she seems she. I feel like you know, you could you could slice and dice it many ways. So you feel Julie's fitting in why? No, I think Julia is fitting, and I'm just saying that like we've seen so little of that tribe. There are people who are who are going to be outliers that we're just not aware of. And you know, you can always find a way target someone you know with. Right. Like, I mean, I guess was was more extreme than than than others. I think you're right. I think I think having someone. Who everyone could agree with sort of a clear first boot really helped returning players on the blue tribe. Get him. Well, getting good with their with their tribe mates and gave him a paternity for some bonds thing is a lot of it just seems like who these people are fans up. You know, Lauren started the game a Kelly fan. I'm assuming Rick was a David fan. Rick Rick is a survivor fan. He's he's tweeted about liking the nerdy players. I'm assuming he was a fan of David's. I'm sure you know, we we had Aurora on comma tried talking about how dreamy Joe it everyone talking about how. How they're such Joe fan. And it's possible that Aubrey just got unlucky that there's no opera fans on that trial that they put a bunch of Michelle fans on the company. What you're saying? Yeah. It's interesting that the just, you know, only give us a couple of minutes, but what we have to operate under the assumption that they're showing us the most important minutes that have happened in that three day episode cycle. It's a lot of talk about Aubrey. Now. Again, the thing in her favor. Is that her tribe is strong? They're going to sit out to people out of the next challenge. And these things can snowball so that I think that she may not have to go to tribal council in the near future. Yeah. And things change so fast to it's like the tribe hits like some at arbitrary consensus in the first couple of days three days later. That's totally shifted. Someone does something stupid. Someone screws up in challenge. Someone says something route the whole thing is different. So I really is just sort of like looking for those moments. What do you think what is operatives move here? Let's say she can sense. She sees she sees Ron. The water with Julia and Victoria, and indigo they're probably comparing notes. What does she do? There's a lot of questions that I have like what is the status of Aubrey? And Joe I mean, I talked about how we haven't seen David Kelly are Aubrey in Joe on the same page right now. That's that's really interesting. You know, we really saw almost nothing from Joe tonight. I I'm not sure Joe got a confessional in the episode tonight. So we have no idea what he's thinking in terms of the game. So if they're on the same page, maybe they could work together that we don't know if if if every could be everybody against Aubrey or maybe she has like a couple people so to work with it's it's it's tricky. Yeah. Yeah. Doing too much. I think that that's the message that were that we're seeing right now. And it seems like by comparison Joe who's doing almost no strategizing that the conversation that Aubrey is having it's coming up is more threatening. Right. And I always going to be the danger for Aubrey is because she's known as this strategic player. She really has to sort of correct for that. And maybe like you're saying what she was doing. Like, let's have a conversation. I really like you, you know, let's let's keep it delaying dialogue open. You're like me is a little bit is a little bit much. But but even even that is like, you know, you're trying to find common with someone like me. So. Yeah. I don't know. Some you know, a lot of it is just you play the play the game and bad things happened. Okay. We got to check in with reams tonight. She doesn't seem like she's holding up to great on extinction island. Yeah. Brutal. I did this make you this really sold this this brief grief thirty second clip of reim- really sold me on extinction island into it. I like it because it's a different take. You know, I liked the seeing the person really struggling, you know, and I don't think I'd want every survivor to have extinction island. But I like this one having sixteen. I'm not mad at yet. It's nothing has happened with extinction island at I've thrown anything at my television yet. So I'm fine with it. I love rim. I'm very happy to see rear like annoyed rain there at extinction island. So it was fine. Hope she's doing. Okay. I am curious to see what happens. You know? We don't really know what's going to happen when someone else's voted off like presumably they're going to extinction island. The same place. They're gonna live with Reims. I think that will actually be less fun sort of like the the individuals struggling along. Obviously, you need this sort of this sort of endless you need multiple people to create some some drama. I was getting a little tickled by the idea that if Kelly was going to be voted out, which it looked like the story was leaning that way with just Kelly and Reema on extinction island together. I think that that would have been high comedy. Yeah. How close do you think? That was do you think that was really, you know, me near miss it seems like that Chris was the swing and we haven't talked about him. I thought he had a really really good episode. Chris we saw that conversation where Keith comes to him. Hey on ever on never turn against Chris like, oh, man. I gotta keep that. And you had the five votes. You had David Devon's you had Wendy you had. David Devon's Wendy, Keith. And then Chris would have been five. And I think that Chris was really the person who ultimately did not want to turn his key with a war dog got to him and said, hey, we got to we got to like don't worry about Kelly. She's not going anywhere. She's going to keep us safe. And I think that that was enough for Chris to back out of the plan. It didn't happen because Chris. Yeah. I think that's that's probably likely I think that is probably aware where came down. So you know, fishy for Wardag fishy for the war dog. Yeah. I think that it was interesting. How the episode ultimately presented a Keith was going to go home. We didn't really see anything about Keith up until the challenge. And then after the challenge we got the confessional. Which is you know, I don't know what the percentage is. But it's high that it's the red herring of like, oh, we lost the challenge. So I guess that's it for Wendy tonight. We got exactly war dog laid out like well. I'm tired of Wentworth or war dog or went worth or Wendy too, many ws on this drive that how about plan c I'm ordering off the menu. How about Keith is the person that he's home? Well, it was it was it was it was smart. You know, this is what we expect from the war dogs out of the box. Thank you. Yes. Yes. They don't call him the war dog for nothing. The art of war. Okay. And he got the fishy tonight. Yeah. Okay. Good for the good for the war dog who gets the Cestic really even thing. I know there's very rigorous rules. And if you don't abide by the correct Jesse rules, turning the internet Moslem, but this is like the that. I don't really do that an award. And you're saying that I have to that's the way I feel you're saying I have to give it to a real person on an animate object or a force of will do you do whatever you want. That's all I wanted to tell I want my life give it to extinction island into the ring toss. Whatever you want. I just like to hear why that's all all right? Let's get to the question is this. It's the word on this Kelly Campbell wants to know, why do you think the Wentworth blindside? Ville win worth now. When we're why do you think the blind side of the Wentworth fell apart? I wanted to see the Wentworth and reams stuck on that island together. As we were discussing that. I think could war dog the war dog convinces Chris that we need to keep her. We need to keep her around that she's going to be a shield for us down the road. Do you think Stephen that is that thinking sand or is it faulty of that? Hey, there's going to be a swap, and maybe she gets voted out instead of us. Well, episode three is often when there's a swab. I do not think there's going to be a swab, and they don't know that there's the island of extinction in my in my mind, they want to show viewers. What's happening at the end of extinction. That's gonna take airtime that you wouldn't necessarily give to that would otherwise be taken with a swap. And establishing these New Tribes, and he's relationships, my guess is it will not be as well on the next episode or even at at fifteen which would be the other time that there could be swap. I do think that they will. There will be a swab at fifteen. Yeah. I was gonna take about fifteen is possible. There will be a swab fifteen. As you point that we talked about this on the this weekend survivor podcast. We that you went back, and you looked at that clue that Ron Clarke had correct? And you said that the council of was the was the certificate. So it's not like she gets it. And then he will have a choice. And if he doesn't use it this week. It's moot. Right. Yeah. Coming last time. Yeah. Right. So I mean, there actually have been no rewards to steal. So except I guess the I'm sorry. They've won rewards with challenges. So so, yeah, I think swap fifteen is actually very possible. So I will take that back, but but not next. But anyway, it's reasonable for them to swap is up coming to think about how they're coming. Swing episode number three not not this upcoming week. That's I think it's reasonable for them to think that there will be a swap possibly even in the next episode. I think that there will be probably swap episode four or later on. Yeah. It's it's. Always always there is their line of thinking. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot of liberty to it. I mean, if you really guy like or dog and big like, Chris you want someone like like the one where then the game. I'm trying to think like if you end up with it would be a very specific scenario where that like you'd have to be swapped somewhere in the mine in the minority and like basically like try to five it's like war dog end. Kelly Wentworth gets swapped to a tribe of three of the of the comma people. Well, the other thing, and you hope her before that you're you. Yeah. I mean, having Keith around doesn't doesn't help them? Really, really? I mean, it helps Chris again like it helps Chris, but because we eat someone who's going to super Chris, but abstractly having Kelly as a way to take attention off of them and even just like generally focusing attention on the vets, right? The longer Kelly's in the game. The more Joe is the threat the moral reason. That I think I think is positive for for all of those people. Yeah. If I was one of the new players, though, I'm not sure that if I'm David I think I would try to keep Kelly around as long as long as I could because that's a shield for me. But as far as it is not a new player. But if I was a new player, I think I would wanna get that avalanche going. Let's get out the returnees because I feel that buys me some time. Right, right. That's interesting. That's that's sort of. So the cat the counterargument is you take out Kelly. And then it becomes like an all stars when they're voting out the winners, and that becomes like a kind of defining ethos of the season. Like, we're getting out these people now, that's that's that's an interesting wrinkle. The thing is that, you know, for war dog, and Chris I think that they're also looking at it from the challenge strength where it's like, hey, we gotta stop the bleeding, and we can't go we're going to get Pagon tier? If we end up going to all these tribal councils the other side is so strong. We're gonna get all picked off because we don't know the returning players. We don't know the other people. They're just going to knock us out if we don't take Keith out this week. So keep writing I really just think they're hoping for the marginal decision, right? If there's a swap swapped with Kelly, then Kelly is going to be a bigger target than they are if there's a swap and there's walk with Keith instead of Kelly. I think that's that's so crazy like if you're hear someone who like the war dog is going to be a big. Tiger character. You know, you're a large guy you're going to be maybe a bigger target. It makes sense to keep threats in the game. I think that's pretty pretty decently established now post meets shield Jeremy post, Tony keeping Spencer around. So that seems like a not not a bad decision on his part. Okay. This is a question from Elias. Does Keith maybe think it's a trick question. Do you think that Keith is reading too much into this? Stephen, I kind of thought maybe he was that was my thought to allies that you know, again, like your your brain is frazzled you're presented with this either. Or and you're like either or either or like, you're not even necessarily thinking, it's really is a riddle. If I leave out by say, I want to quit the game. I actually get the stay if I say they actually leaving. I thought the exact same thought that he's like clearly thinks there's more to this question. Then there is which is just like go left for your second chance like the go right thing. Don't even think about that. We shouldn't have we did it. We made a mistake in putting that sign there. Okay. From wyatt. Why it wants to my main man Rick Devon's guaranteed to win since Jeff is calling him by his last name. Devon's thing kind of came out of nowhere. I mean that Bligh because Cochran one and called him the last name is like a great history of if you get called by your last name, you win got fish back went with his went worth a lot of people. A lot of the last name is we don't make it. We don't Colby. Donaldson. Donelson the classic one. He didn't win three times. Yeah. I do think it's a thing that more common with a return. I mean Cochran asked for it his first time out, but in terms of Donaldson was Donaldson's only played the second time. I don't think Wentworth became to Wentworth first time around. Wigglesworth and Weller to two hours. Right. Dale, Dale, and okay. This from Darren why don't they show us who voted for who at the end, she'll be who voted for whom Stephen? Would. Yeah. Invalid question daring. Yeah. I didn't notice that I hadn't gone back in looked for it. But you know, we get a little bit of a different format this season where we follow the POV of the person who ends up being voted out. And I do kinda like that. You know, you know, you Keith like walking off. It's like gang date. That's kinda unique. We haven't really gotten that all the seasons of the show. And you know, it's a it's a lonely walk down that path after your torch, get snuffed. Yeah. It really it really is. It's actually not that bad. It's actually kind of fun. You know, that's like the you're still in in your mind. You're still in the game. Like, everyone your exit interview, you're getting your medical check. It's still all about you that lonely. Firm the next the next day is really lonely because we don't even get Jeff saying like all right? Well, whenever it's a blind side. Like, it's not of somebody's going to be on the business end of it. I'll see you guys tomorrow where we talk about case. Parting words, which were good luck winning challenges yet. Like, oh, like, you're gonna win challenges now without me like guys stink. Yeah. And it was funny like. Like, I really like. Yeah. I felt like gave him the fishy last week. I really I really enjoyed him. I was hoping he would go far. Maybe he still will. But he needs to work on his singers. Well, he's got plenty of time to work on his swimming with rematch. If he oh, yeah. You extinction island? They could practice that, you know, swimming. And then it would be a swimming challenge. Maybe to get back in the game. And he could win that would be a great. That would be a real. I want to address something I on this on Twitter address, something I see a lot of people criticizing kief for not being a better swimmer. But they're like, oh, you know, you're going on survivor like how could you not learn to swim? It's not like you have three years to become a good swimmer. When you learn, you know, you could just be a couple of months, you know, some people have a day or a couple of weeks from when they learned they're going on over when they're actually on survivor, and even if you learn to swim, and you didn't learn as a kid, you may not be a natural. I mean, maybe he did take swimming lessons. Okay. All right. Yeah. On a big swimming thread. No, I just I just want kief being unjustly criticized as though like he didn't prepare accurate as someone I tried. When I when I was when I was in the mix for second chances to learn balance, I went I went like every day to Dave and Buster's to practice. My my hoops. My hoops were terrible. I could there was nothing. I could do about my hoops. But I tried I practice you went to like the Archady and was like shooting biscuits. Yes. I was that's like the appropriate training. Right. Because they're all arcade games. It's all. Yeah. That sounds really fun. It's not fun stressful. Sapele the fun out of fun. Yeah. Boy, did you get a lot of tickets. No point. Okay. If I was winning tickets. I wouldn't needed to go to Dave and Buster's. Okay. All right. See what about well wills question. I will also considering comma hasn't been to tribal council yet and Ron's idle menus is only good for one more tribal. Do you think this idol menu will be put back out and play? If comma wins the next immunity challenge. I don't think so. But would we have even seen it? If it was just going to be a total bust. I don't know probably because it's like something that happened at the thing there's a little bit of drama too. I mean, he'll use it for something. Right. Like he'll actually this question. Let's say comma wins the next immunity challenge. Okay. Does it behoove Ron to at that point play for? Let's say there's no there's a reward at the immunity challenge. Like, this should Ron play it to steal that reward with knowledge because then they won. Yeah. Say let's say let's say comma loses the next reward. I guess it. Should he throw the advantage? The question. I guess I'm trying to ask is is it a big is it worse for on to play this reward challenge and make himself. Look ski me like oh, you hid this from us to play the rewards steal than it is for him to actually steal the reward for Trump. The question is are we going to have a reward challenge this week? We might end up with the. Just the double immunity N reward, by the way, what a false choice you want fishing gear. Spices. Stephen I disagree. I actually think that spices. So here's the thing about fishing survivor. If you've got someone like Ozzy out there, you know, maybe he'll catch enough fish to make it worthwhile. But there are very few people who who are going to do that. I wanna try with Joe, and I did not like eat them any fish, occasionally, you'll have like a fish. I actually think the spices might be might be better in this situation. Unless you really have a great fisherman. Drivers spice kit. What's so great turmeric anti inflammatory? Guys. I think we should go with spice kid, if there's Tim Arik in it. I'm just saying like, I don't think it no-brainer. Yeah. Like, you're not getting that much. Devon's. Little I'm saying, it's not such a gimme it's not such a layup. Like, Dave and Buster's. Okay. All right, then hoodie monsters. How is David manage to stay so far on three or up to this point is Kelly that much of a bigger target than he is? I do think that David has done a really good job of being inconspicuous. Where David is. He's not a big guy. He doesn't take up a lot of real estate. He sort of like, you know, doesn't carry himself in like away. That's like like craving attention. He's mild-mannered and can be quiet. And so I think that he he's very approachable. Yeah. And you know, you see him in strategic strategy conversation. Just nodding agreeing doesn't ever like really force. It doesn't really even rarely see him proposing his own opinions. What am I favor moments in the episode was when Wendy was talking to I think Devon's and David and Wendy's like we've got to get out or else. Those guys are going to take over the game and David standing right there. Like she's talking about him. He just kinda like gives gives it like a double take doesn't say anything. And I think it's that speaks to what we're talking about. Yeah. Oh, totally. Okay. That's why that's why I share that anecdote was that spoke to what we're talking about. Okay. Jazz jubilee wants to how close were we to an actual Wentworth blindside tonight, also rip kief, but when will these Veivers start taking swimming lessons before they play jazz? Drag her Stephen. Good question. But we've we've already answered it. Yeah. Okay. Let's see let's go to the leap, a how do you feel about the cliffhanger ending that Keith is going to pass a second chance? I ninety nine percent. He's gonna go to extinction island over under. I take the over. I think it's ninety nine point one percent, Bob. All right. Johnny very what? Good. Does it do David rights game to target Kelly? So early doesn't he realize it without her as his meat shield. The other rookies will soon target him as the last returnee if she was voted out. I do think that this is a cl- a classic survivor fable there where you know, you target the other returnees target the other winners, the other people that you feel like, okay, if I just get rid of this person, then it'd be then I'll clear, and then it always ends up where then the people that are now coming for you. I mean, it didn't really right with Tony. And sandra. I know. Everyone's like, well, you know, they took out. Tony winners weren't gonna turn on each other than they voted out Tony because Tony started targeting, Sandra. Sandra lasted quite a bit. After that. I mean. Yeah. But that start going after the the winners. Yeah. Eventually not really didn't seem like, you know. Now. I don't know. Maybe I mean, I hear you. I hear you. Yeah. I look my philosophy on it is like, you know, threats need to keep the threats around as long as long as possible. Laying the groundwork for rob his Russell's. How many? To Russell's couple odds are up. Yeah. I would I would go after the ponds. I would I would go after all of the people who are not the threats. Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's right. I I think keeping keeping Kelly in the game is good for David ultimately. Yeah. But you know, David's philosophy and Shannon gates. Brought this up into such a good job with this in the preseason where she went back and did a whole profile David Wright and talked about how the way that David views the game. The key word for David Wright is trust where David Wright looks at the game as people I trust versus people. I don't trust. And we see David trusts trust Devon's. Now, he trusts Wendy. He doesn't trust Kelly. And so that's an enemy for him. Even though that she has not come for him. He doesn't trust her. So she asked to go. And so that's interesting the way that that he's looking at this. Now, do you think there's any equity for David also in just being part of a plan to get out Kelly? He's like open shows that he's willing to scheme with the new players to make a big move. Again, down approachable. But it also shows like he's more on their side than he is on her side. Right. I'm sure like there's an inherent fear that the returning players are going to be together. But if he's like, yeah, I'm about to take it. Yeah. I'm about to take a boy, I'm worthless plan signed. Wow. Or like, let's let's see. Let's see where it goes. Then he is building that trust. Yeah. I really do hope that we get some secret scenes tomorrow. I'd love to hear more about what Kelly is thinking about David. And also what David is specifically thinking about Kelly, and if we have maybe even I can pray to the survivor gods that we get a secret seen of them talking to each other. Okay. Let's see. Let's go to John dense furred are John Denver Watson. I was at a total misdirect or should war dog at credit for moving the vote back to Keith. What do you think? I thought everything was presented in a very logical sense. I mean did. Was anything more who knows? But it seemed like that it was going. It was going one way. And then we saw that conversation between Chris and the war dog that changed everything. Yeah. This is an interesting question rob from page, who do you think is playing the best outgoing game? And who's playing the best under the greater game under the radar game to this point. How about Ron house Ron doing? Would you say he is he out going? He's good. Yeah. He's outgoing. How Stephen I like, Eric. Is he under the radar outgoing outgoing? I it's a little. Do you have to dance to be outgoing? Yeah. The comet tribe. We don't really know a ton about I think it bears noting that it's interesting because that these players did not see season thirty seven of survivor, and I had a lot of the same conversations that we had in diverse client about women looking for the idols and Julie kind of put a finer point on it. It was actually Lauren found that I found the idol of air like her hero Kelly win worth. And although we saw the women of Kama talking about. Hey, let's let's stop talking about the let's go find the idol. Yeah. Lot of misdirection also with who's gonna find the idol. I thought I really liked that scene because it was such a good reminder of how much real labor, you know. I think a lot of the times I think I think the survivor producers in the last couple of seasons sort of dispelled this sort of sense of like someone walks into the woods, they're going hunting. And find the idol. Why doesn't anybody else? Go idle hunting ever. And I think this really showed just how much work and lock goes into goes into Virginia Virginia Virginia had a really good quote about it. It's it's like like every tree out here. Looks the same every story. What's her name? Sorry, okapi toria shoot. Sorry. It's late. It's late. Toria had a great quote aware. What is Muffin critically where? Where? She's like every out here looks the same. And every tree out here looks like it could be unique. You know? So it's like everything out here looks like another funky tree. So it's impossible to guess. I remember that very distinctly thing. Like well. That's a clump of three palm trees. But that's like a bent over palm seed difference, and sameness and everything. Okay. All right. I think that we're good. If you want let's let's wrap things up. Our it's a Scott saint-pierre the birthday guy. Scott, Scott, Saint a whole conversation earlier. No, one said anything so happy birthday. I've you're this. So I think that I'm not sure it was Scott's researched. This is the number one Stephen fish back gif been crying. Actually, I know this one Stephen looking looking. What are you looking? Yeah. Wh-what's the tweet we use this one Stephen where you just turn your head. And look, I don't know. That the eagles. I'm telling you. Terrible. L my nose. That's funny. One great mission with the slingshot is the one that. I see the most. That's a good one. Yeah. I'm breaking Arthur note Martha's knows. Yeah. Marsha more. My God Virginia. Okay. Rupaul drag race happening up on a rob has a website dot com. The cast preview for the rupaul drag race eleven is happening bang out those rupaul drag race seasons like nobody's business. There's like a day in between them a bachelor twenty three. That's cult in. What's he gonna do next? Nobody knows go. Check it out with Amien hailing our bachelor wrap up, of course, another one of Stephen's friends. 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So the next the latest episode of paraphrase, which is which is up now is a really interesting book that I think actually I'll a lot of my like called American spy Lauren Wilkinson, and it's an updating of the spy novel it set in the nineteen eighties. And it follows this black female FBI agent whose career has kind of stalled out at the FBI because of some of the bigotry and trench bigotry there. So she joins this shadowy operation to infiltrate government of Thomas Sankara in Burkina Foucault, and it's really fantastic book. It's it's it's it's it's fast moving it's super thrilling. I mean, the very beginning literally star. With a bang. So check check that out on paraphrase podcast dot com. This up for a second. You rushed right right into the Stephen case anybody who wasn't paying attention last week. What is paraphrase podcast? Oh, that's very nice. You'd ask. It is a podcast that I I've recently started where I interview novelists about the openings of their books. I I'm an aspiring writer myself. And I noticed that. There was no real podcasts. They kind of like talked about books both medically, and then also talked about some of the craft that goes into those those opening few pages and also getting kind of into how the author has got their start, and they're they're back story. So since I figured like if it doesn't exist incredibly in two thousand nineteen there was still a podcast idea that didn't seem to exist. I might as well start start at myself because what people are clamming clamoring for our more podcast. So I've had I've had some really incredible guests on first one was with a. Real hero of mine. Jeff vandermeer. So I was I was really thrilled about that. And Lawrence was a really fantastic guest and had some some really wonderful insight. Okay, paraphrase, podcasts dot com. Yes. Okay. All right. So that's for more for more, Stephen fish, BAC, paraphrase, podcast dot com. 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I do the more respect I have for for you just for how good you are at keeping interesting conversations going on at listening to people asking the great great questions. I mean, you're so good at this. And you're doing like sixty a week. I'm doing one every two weeks, and it's like draining. I mean, the good way like I love doing it. But it's still a lot. It's hard. Well, the good like anything, Stephen the more the more you do it. The more secondhand gets and congratulations on passing a big milestone. I saw on Twitter that you got past seven. Episodes, which they say in podcasting. That's really like the there's a line in the sand that like seven is the number that people quit a lot of people. Start a podcast around seven when it's like this fun. There's a lot of work. There's a lot of I didn't think it was going to be so much work. If anybody still listening. I'm just gonna quit. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, it's it's, but it just like continually just reminds me of how good you are at it. You know? Appreciate appreciate you. See? Okay. All right. Great work here tonight. Good episode. Yeah. We'll be back in the first week of March have something and we never talked about that Seagal. What's seagull? Oh, you miss the Siegel. God. It was the best part of the episode were Julie's giving confessional about how she's she can't find the idol and wall she's talking in the background a goal swoops out of the air. And finally is a fish. Yeah. It was crazy right in the middle of this confessional. Stephen this might be meta. But will the new number one Stephen fish back gif of all time be Stephen fish BAC cleaning the camera lens. By dream anything to replace anything from Cambodia. All right. Thanks so much to Scott saint-pierre. Happy birthday. Take care, buddy. Have a good one. Bye. Bye. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 9 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 9 Recap

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Episode of survivor, Stephen fish, BAC while what a crazy episode what a fun phenomenal wild tribal council so much happened the game shifted upside down and most importantly, rob. I just wanna take a moment here at the start of the podcast to marinate in my extravagant last time. I do good marinated tonight. It's so rare in this life that we take a stance. We are shouted by our whatever you are. And literally the next week. We are completely one hundred you're so predictable. You're so predictable. You're such a petty results oriented man about results. This is not about result. Will we'll talk about it all here tonight really excited for this one Steven really excited to have you here with us live, or if you're listening to the podcast, we're happy that you're checking us out as well. It's going to be a very fun show tonight. Get your questions in hashtag R H A pay another jampacked week T bird is going to be my guest on the recap. Hide gets Eric Stein this weekend on the voice mails. And then I'll check in with Kurt Clark on this week and survivor before we get to the wiggle room coming up later, and then this is get ready for this. But we are going to have bonus coverage tonight for the first time ever, we are going to do a live survivor know at all after shell is already a survivor after show we're going to know it alls after show on an app called fan credit. We're going to give this a shot, and you the viewer are going to have the opportunity to call in and talk, the Stephen, and I live that is not part of this podcast that will get off the ground around ten fifteen tonight. Go to fan cred dot com to get the app and watch us live. And then what you need to do is go to the on air section and click on the show. All right. Look for survivor added as a team on fan, tread dot com. When you get the app. Okay. This is a great week for two. I mean, this this was this was promoted as like a big episode. But really it was the right week to have. Extra extra time here because there's so much to talk about it was quite confusing. And as I said, it will be really fun for all of us together to marinate and how wrong, you're okay. And as you talk about the your marinating. Let's also give a special congratulations to the manual originally marinated in stealing his vote. Joe Angouleme he now he and Sierra, Don Thomas are engaged. Congratulations. I'm so happy for Joe. He says thrilled my mom is texting me this morning. Did you hear about Joe? And sierra. Yeah. Does some part of you sort of some part of you said that we missed an incredibly rare opportunity for a full Murphy the full Murphy when Joe ultimately ends up, then he will then stumped for somebody in the final travel council and and propose. Yeah. Full Murphy, perhaps. But when when Joe's winning the season, then I guess this would be loses the season, I guess, that's the rob Marianna to lose and then propose. It's you know, I mean. For not doing that. Like, I knew the temptation would have been there for anyone who was about to get married to be like the survivor finale so close so good on him for not doing that. However, full Murphy, something something to consider all players. Yes. Okay. For another time. Let's explore that more. But let let me turn the floor over to you to give your stump speech of why everything that happened tonight was a direct result of last week's blunder. So basically, I mean, this is sort of the core issue of why when you're in that majority alliance, and if you turn on them this early in the game, you become incredibly vulnerable because you're old allies. Not only do they not trust you anymore. But they're furious at you, they want revenge, and I think Julie is the best example of that, you know, she's running up and down tribal council saying I want to jump ship. I want to jump ship, and I don't think that just like one erratic lady being kind of crazy. I think that is the. The core emotional response from everyone who's in that in that who has that experience mile alliance. Just turned on me, they pull the wool out from under me. I don't feel safe anymore in this game. You know, the people who are my enemies are still enemies, but the people who were my allies, I don't trust anything that they're saying like let me not only like seek out safety. Elsewhere. Let me screw you over by by going against you like there's nothing that I think betrayal, nothing stings harder than betrayal. And then on the on the other side of the that's like Julian the Ron of it all and on the other side of it. You have the less who three who they they no longer need, you your new allies, they don't necessarily need you anymore. And they don't trust you either. Because they know that you're untrustworthy. So you have all of the like Kelly is the perfect example of that. I'm really curious to think what you think that the common plan actually was but Kelly an every glance. She's like, I think that to give me I think they had to give him Gavin is looking the wrong way. I think he's had to give me. Julius smiles too big at her. And she's like I had to give me. And my my read on it is that they actually were not out to get her that they were on her side. But because of the paranoia of the situation that they created. Now every ignobly trust them anymore and everyone wants them out. That's interesting. My my read on what was going to happen. Had the vote on his scheduled was that I had thought that comma had gotten back together and was going to vote out Kelly Wentworth that was my presumption in terms of how the vote would have unfolded had things gone, according to plan at that trial. So I'm totally not sure if it would have been keleaf it. Would it be the only argument? This is interesting. I hadn't even considered that maybe that they were going with a different plan. The only I mean, I'm I assumed Kelly to and I I'm not even sure it matters which one it is. But. Then when Julia kind of like us that opportunity at tribal to reassure Kelly. Like, hey, I'm just telling Kelly that we're with her. It's possible that was misdirection. But if that was misdirection that was really dumb because it just made everyone else freak out. Yeah. I think it was an attentiveness direction. I think it was an attempt at no Kelly. Everything is good, relax. You're fine. You're fine tonight. Don't worry. Yeah. Okay. So I believe that Steven you, you may you make a lot of good points about why comma should have stuck together. Which is why last week? I was not like, I I love this move. But also, there's there's no safe moves here in survivor, thirty eight sure certainly in the middle ages of survivor in the early days -vivor stick with your numbers their safety there. But we're in a wearing a time in a place where the cut the comma six were down to we're down to eleven. Now auroras got an extra vote that the numbers are very fickle in terms of. Yeah. I don't wanna religious late last week. So. Oh, what a what I want to say here tonight. Is that throw last week at the window? I think that these people who made this move tonight or people who made that move last week played this round poorly. None necessarily that what they did last week was bad. Now, I think what they did last week was still fine. I think that they really mishandled this round of owning. Because what they ended up doing was that they made the move last week. But then they could not get back on the same page about what they wanted to do this week. So even if you make the right move last week, but don't follow it up with the next right move. Then it doesn't matter because the whole thing ended up collapsing back in on it self and the game as Dr Mike pointed out in my podcast within this week you as the father of voting blocks should now certainly be able to see where this game is right now where we totally. Ended up in voting blocks -vivor where you had the four people from comma that flip last week the less SU three David Devon's. And then Ron and Julie. And the problem was that you had this group that flipped that. They ultimately did not make either Raanan Julie field. Great and they did not make the lesser three field grade. So it set up this position where this is almost like a super size version of what happened with Christy Smith of all the voting blocks got together and said, hey, let's vote out the swing alliance. Not the swing vote and had they been able to get on the same page, those four people and make the compelling case either to the less who three or to run and Julie where I really believe that they were they were planning on voting with Ron and Julie, but because of that betrayal, and then also because they. They were not on the right the right page with them or could could not make them feel good enough about what they were doing the whole thing ended up falling apart. And they also did not include Devon's or David Wright in anything that they were planning. So you had Rick Devon's who had a great episode this week being the person who was really stirring up trouble council. Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't wanna get and let us like last week. I guess my my my fundamental feeling about that is that that that was an essential issue of last of last week's move is that that by doing that, they basically had inevitably laid these seeds, and that's why we see the same thing happened again. And again, I mean, it's one of the very few reliable principles of survivor that this is the whole idea philosophical basis behind the idea of an intentional thing is that when you have a giant group. A big try that didn't go. It doesn't really go travel council before the Mertz in any significant way. They inevitably turn on each other, and it inevitably leads to the entire collapse. So. I don't I I hear you that there were better ways to play this. And I agree. I think we should talk about how they screwed up and how they could have maybe maybe saved themselves, but I also think that that level of betrayal mistrust. It would just is something that was inevitable based on their based on their decision last week. That said, you know, maybe there was a different path. You know, maybe there was a different path for for them here. And I'm curious like, what do you think? How should they play that? How what Gavin? Julia do. So we came into the episode and Gavin says, hey, I've got my three of. Okay. So it's myself and Julia and Victoria, and I think we should stick with the three people we voted with in in last week. That's that's the move. I think that we should do that. And I think that had they stayed. The course I think that that less three would have stuck with this three. And that was the plan to ultimately take out David Wright, and ultimately David Wright is gonna play an idol in this episode of television. So again there maybe there is no perfect plan for this group in terms of this. Choose your own adventure story. But that that would I do think that that's six would would have held going into this vote of eleven I think that. Laura haltingly is going to stick with that group of three that she voted with at last week's tribal council. But then there is this talk where we're seeing. Julia saying, hey, well, this group of three now, I don't know if I I don't know if I trust them, and I think that they need to pick a lane in terms of are we picking off the picking up the comma people are now. Now, we're going to turn on the people that we just voted with at the last vote to me, I think that's a little too all over the place now to go back to Tony wlac goes can pull it off. But I think that that was too much to flip to go and vote with less sue and now go away from them, and then vote out less sue where I think that if they would have stuck with Kelli ward, and Lauren, and we even saw that compensated where they would have been up to vote together again and vote out Ron. Clark in this episode. There's a part where Laurence says, hey, well, David has no allies. But Ron is connected to a lot of people. What do you say the six of us vote out Ron, and they sort of they had and they just they're going back and forth this group, they don't make up their mind. They don't make either side feel great. And I think that's what open them up to be vulnerable tribal council. But so you're saying like when the less threes. Like, hey, let's vote out raw should be like all in favor of that. But I think this is like the fundamental problem here is that they have put themself in this position where they don't have a numerical advantage here. Right. Like there's four of them. There's five less who they have ever. I mean, we the viewer right? We see it as it's three lessons, and it's too less is but like from their perspective. Like, hey, these guys were together for a long time. They vary. They vote together. Just as easily as we voted together last week. So, you know, so when the lessons are saying to them like, hey, why don't we get takeout? Ron instead of David. I would be nervous if I were them to now that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to. Flip. But. It's not a crazy idea for them to kind of try to pull back the comments. I actually think that might have been the stronger move where if they go to the calm and say something like, hey, we are all have always been together. Eric was squirrelly. Like, he was the problem. We knew he was plotting too much. Where tight this wasn't about you. I just don't think they did that sort of damage control. The you know, you saw that with with conversation between Ron and Gavin where Ron is like, you know, what the heck and Gavin's like, yeah. I took a I did it. He didn't. He that move. That move would be. Okay, also. But they could not execute on that either because they're all the pies they had too many plans going on where they're trying to. Now, they're flirting with the less SU three and they and we believe that they were going to vote with Ron and Julie. But but Julie that Julie was so upset from the previous vote that nobody was able to the Julie whisper. And get her back to feeling good enough that she was ready to vote with them to the point that she just explode the Trump accounts. Like, I'm ready to jump ship. Gavin was trying to talk to her one point. She's like, oh, you're not swearing. You're not gonna vote me out. And so they yes they made her upset by flipping against her last week. But nobody did a good job of reeling them back in and assuring them. And also this whole group does a really bad job. Even if that was their plan. Let's Kelly where worth there's that great scene. The pot scraping scene. Where Horia is cleaning the pot and there's no score. And we're sort of like a Kelly Wentworth POV inside of Kelly. What words head and Julia's like giving her like like thumbs up tonight. Like wives giving me a signal and Gavin's not looking at her and everybody's acting weird. And so I think there's probably a pretty good chance that Kelly Wentworth goes on to play her idol at this tribal council. So even if we see comma become reconstituted here, and then they voted for Kelly Wentworth, she ends up playing her idol. And this is like a just just to all over the place. I also feel like that the debate between Gavin and Kelly win at Gavin and Julia over should we vote out Kelly Wentworth or should we vote out? David Wright, also contributes to some of the problems for this group because I think that that also prevents them from being more all in with any particular side because amongst themselves. They're not on the same page about who their target is going to be. But this is this isn't like some random thing. It's always it's always the case, right? Some. Someone who has not had power before gets power. And then immediately squabbles breakout. You know, it's like it's like a historical precedent, nauseous survivor, but in like history, right where people who like newly come into power, suddenly like strife breaks out between that group and factions develop and they have trouble executing on power. You know, it's it's interesting to think about the tribal council that might have been because we know for sure that David was planning for. Sure, right. We know the David and Rick were planning on playing their idol on David. I think no matter what Kelly's feeling when she sees David plane idol she hundred percent has to play an idol mean she did it in Cambodia with Jeremy. But I think in this case she knows. And so then I think we were I think we were in store for a crazy travel council. No matter what. But let's talk about the actual tribal itself. Because this was really all hell broke loose tonight. And that I feel like that this was tribal council that was coming from back from the combined travel council, Malcolm God voted out, and I said at the time. Well, I was okay with this. But at some point down the road, are we just having everybody is walking around like I feel like that. Do we need to confine people to the chairs, and I think that tonight? It was ultimately, I don't know what this was. And I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it. I thought it was great TV. But in my mind, this was the craziest tribal council in the history of the show in that. It was just into like if you ever see like one of these like like a fight that breaks out like an parliament somewhere. Was. Yeah. Totally total. It's we've seen crazy tribals breakout. I don't think we've ever seen like the game totally reform in this crazy way. I mean, maybe it didn't totally reform. I don't know it was like the floor of the new York Stock Exchange. Yeah. It was it was like people were like going over here that they were going over there. You know who wasn't going anywhere though. Which was the the wildest would be able to be right? Julia and Gavin we're just in their seats. Now that was because. Julia. Julia Julia was in a rural who was all the way on the left. Ohio aurora. Kelly Wentworth did not did not get up. And I feel like that the Kelly win were thing really contributed to the confusion. And there's this great conversation with with David ripe, but Kelly Winward seen like she wanted to still make it work with with comma, which I think sort of prevented them from being able to really jump it like because they were like, oh, no Kelly, you're on board with us. Okay. Well, we're we're cool. We're cool. And this other group was still was you know, mounting against comma. The Rick Devon's pilot. Group. And we saw Kelly seem like she was still on board. And it wasn't until her David hab that conversation that she ends up going back to less sue. That's a really great observation that the fact that Kelly did seem to want to work with them ended up kind of screwing com over because they were sort of trying to salvage that relationship rather than you know, deal with all the chaos that was breaking out over here. And that's a real. That's a really good observation. I mean, it's go ahead. I was talking about Kelly and David right? Because this was the Kelly and David Wright is so much fun to me that somehow we are nine episodes into this season. These two I we've seen in most of the pre merger. It was David Wright talking about Kelly, and we need to give it a Kelly. Most of the post merge has been Kelly talking about we need to get rid of Devon's we need to get rid of David Wright and somehow. That this on again off again on again off again, ends up. We end the episode. They are back on again and working together. Somehow. It's great. And it really is. I mean, what's it gonna test them into like why these people should have been voted out a long time ago? It's like two reasons one they're very aware of the of the politics around them. I mean, we saw how incredibly hyper attune them all of them. Yes. I thought there. They're returning player advantages really showed up in this episode tonight. Both of them talked about how they could read the writing on the wall be new players were not getting anything over on them tonight. Yeah. I think I think on Twitter Heather said said. That Kelly has like basically been the vote target four times. So she knows we sort of idle should have voted out four times. So she knows what if feels like when she's about to be the vote target. I think that's a really smart like you don't know what it feels like Intel it is you then like it's a feeling that once you've had it like you like you will never forget. This is a really great point. Because I was thinking about this. Because to me the third returning player in the game is Rick Devon's because. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He totally has a he has been that person who has known. It was him. He was voted out. He had time to think about it. And now here he is he has his he's returned to the game. And then at this tribal council things are not going in his favor, and he has the presence of mind to really turn this whole vote around and some one of these other, you know, first time players who has not yet been voted out of the game. I don't think that any of them could have pulled something like this off. Yeah. I agree. I agree. And I again like. These people should have been voted out. But it's also really fun to see and that just kind of like self possession. You know, when like all of this chaos is happening around them. And all of them are able to really turn turn that vote. I mean, you know, Rick's back and forth with Julia was been nominal. Just the way that everything's. She said he turned it around. It was like, yes. And that is the reason why we need to ally. I also wanna talk about how pretty Julia was uniquely bad. And I do think that she had a lot a couple maybe not a couple of opportunities at that tribal council was she could have righted the ship, and she just sort of made her her situation worse. It seemed like every time Rick specifically challenged her. We got these commas over here. They're running the show, we can all ally. Together. Juliet had a couple of opportunities where she could have said like Rick like what she could've. Instead it rather than like denigrating. Rake and sort of dismissing him she could have said something really positive to her ally. She could have been like, I'm with the people I'm with and we have a plan and we're moving forward, and like I have trust with those people I have loyalty. And instead she kind of like wave finger at rake and kind of insulted him. And it just showed more of the air again's that our allies already worried about. Well, I think that Rick was was really good. She did try to say a one point like this is a lot of plans that you're not involved in which sort of like only motivated more like, well, there's a lot of plans involved in. Maybe this is all the more reason I need to be this. But when she's the worst was when she said to him that Rick. You're such a passenger Europe has he's our Devon's the pilot right now, I just put in the GPS. Julia really tried to go after Aurora's at roars spilled the beans, and I don't know if something got cut out because also Rick mentioned like. I think roaring just told us, but I was with war dog. I'm like I have no idea where where is talking about. When when she spoke like, I don't know how that was the inciting incident. I didn't. I mean, she was more like it seemed like more being like, you auroras said like you guys are really disjointed auroras point was like we are nervous just as you are nervous about the commas. We are nervous about the. She also said about like, and she's like there's a shark in mill. But maybe there's a lot of other factors that are going on that are contributing into that. And it seems that that was what Rick that doesn't mean. Anything to me? Yeah. No. I didn't. I also had trouble parsing that I was gonna say. Go with you. What's going on right now? Jeff immediately posited. He was like Jeff Jeff had no response. Let someone else take this. The one thing I want to say, you know, you mentioned how Julia said there are many plans. I actually thought that was really bad. You know, that wasn't a good way of being like there are many plans say there are many plans like that makes everyone nervous because for everyone else. There's one plan, and she's like other are many plan. If if one of my allies says there are many plans, I'm like, I know about one all your other plans. Like that makes me worry. I did feel like the Julia was going out in this episode. I wrote it in my notes when I was watching that there's a point like ten minutes in the timing is all often. But yeah, Julie mentions that she's like, well Julia is the one that's running everything. And I think that that's a that's a survivor tell that we should be on the lookout for when a person from out of nowhere. We are suddenly everything happened last week with Eric. It was like Ron, and Eric Eric what I mean if we come out. Next week. And somebody's like, well Lauren is running the show. Mark my words, Carl Carl Carl's the godfather show somebody who is completely. It's completely out of left field that somebody is running the show that person is going home. Yeah. Yeah. Probably so. But it probably in the case of Gavin. Like, you did make sense that there would be this perception, they were they were running things. I was surprised that are Laura was the initial target. I think war dog brought up roar. Why do you think why do you think they did? That was the case. I think that she was somebody who was on the outs into in some ways. I think that this crazy vote tonight sort of ended up just defaulting to what we talked about with these merge votes of the person that everybody is just willing to sacrifice much like big Wendy. I think that Julia did not alternately have a tight ally left, and maybe maybe Julie and Ron were her tightest allies prior to this. And so after making that slip. She was somebody who is deemed expendable and ultimately Gavin in Victoria. I believe also were people that voted against Juliet tribal council. Yeah. And that makes and actually Victoria's. Already tweeted about this just to say, no spoilers here. Like. Wasn't. It was pretty clear that this was my only opportunity flip. And you know, I have to give Victoria credit here at this right over there. She was she was she was right over there. And I will say to her credit one of the things that she is done. Really well, and she had that confessional earlier in the season where she said like nobody should trust me. You know? I am not. I am not loyal. Nobody should trust me. She has moved herself to wherever the numbers are going. She is a person who is like. Okay. Number going here numbers going here. She ends up getting back on the right side of the vote. And I think is probably going to be the person who's going to be able to get away from this car wreck the easiest I was surprised that no-one considered. I mean, I think she's playing the best game of all the commas. I guess at this point. It's like that's all of our. But you know. Yeah. Yeah. The kid comic crew. It was the probably peaked at voting gel. Yeah. Although you could argue that voting how Joe kind of lay the seeds of voting out, you know. Eric last week, which what's more seeds tonight. So. Really I still stand by if they just voted for Kelly at to merge. Everything would have been fine for the comments like that's where it all went wrong. That was that's where they were the words of James like that's where they took the apple. Yeah. And also. Yeah, I I will give you that. You know, what I loved the circular firing squad from from that one. But you know. Kelly probably the bigger threat than jail. Yeah. No, it was really fun to watch. And but but ended up sort of I think sowing distrust among that alliance. Yeah. I wanted to little bit more about Gavin tonight because we saw the, yeah, he was somebody who I think that he was too inflexible about his plan. It was almost like that. He had the he he wanted unity this round. But he had his sights set on David rights, so bad. He was so dug in on being the hero of being the person to slay the dragon that was David Wright. And I think I've been there. Yes. I think that that was costly. Yeah. I I agree because it created like some, you know. There was that that moment way. Are I think it was somewhat? Maybe it was Julia was saying, hey, no one ever came and talked to me or does Rick was saying we were waiting to hear from Gavin. We never heard from him. And he was like I was running. I had one hundred other things like my schedule was packed. And I think that I think that it's like to your point at the very start of this show like they're not being able to kind of really get on the same page ended up kind of having a ripple effect as a result. They were just so many different plans that they were not able to finesse and I agree like. You think they should have stuck with Wentworth and Lauren Wardag, so they should have gone for David like avenues, right? I think that he was just very dug in on that to the point where then I think that opened the doors for either either that's the plan. But I think that also then that sort of contributed to the wishy-washiness of what was going on that basically if his allies on board with that, you know, he's got to either give that up organs allies on board with it. Because then I think that created a dynamic where? David and Devon's really felt isolated. We saw them even though David voted with less. Sue, it seemed like that David was back more with Devon's this week and with Ron and with Julie this week than he was last week when voted against them. Yeah. Just got confirmation from that Victorian Juliette confirmed that Kelly was the original target. Yes. You're you're right about that. And then that makes sense to believe. Yeah. And maybe for Julia. You know that where Gavin was like envisioning himself as the person who took down David writing the same Victoria was the person that took down Aubrey where? Julia felt like okay. I will be the one to slay Kelly win worth on. Sure. That was ever. I will have that head on a pike. Yeah. I think everyone is really into their like getting the credit for their big move game hunting. Yeah. It really is. It really is. And it makes sense that that would cause some conflict between between between Gavin and Julia because obviously there now thinking of themselves this new voting block or alliance they have to compete against each other at the same time, they're competing against the bigger group. So and that's also why you wanted to. That moment when your group takes power is because you don't want to compete against your group until right at the end. Okay. So this was a interestingly formatted episode also because we ended up where we had the immunity challenge about ten minutes into the episode. Yeah. Then we were at tribal council going into. Usually we go Trump council after the fourth act break around like you go into commercial eight forty five and we end up having just the one segment at tribal council two segments at tribal council tonight. Did you enjoy the change in the format? And I think correct me if I'm wrong, but was this just a day of of island time? So I don't know maybe we will find out that answer. If there was a reward challenge did they skip it or did. They just happen to have no. No, no reward challenge on this cycle. And maybe that's one of the reasons why we had such a crazy Trump accountable where if this is like the next day or two days after the last tribal council, maybe that there was still so much fallout after the previous big move that was made. Yeah. I mean that makes a lot of sense that there's so many like unresolved things it does it actually if it is just a day of time. It makes sense why these guys would not have had the chance to and I think that's something. We don't talk about a is just the logistics of this. They don't have an opportunity to get Ron and Julia starring Julie to be feel feel better about things because there's no time. There's just no time if you come back from tribal council the next morning, you have an immunity challenge. Then suddenly tribal council again, you don't have the time to to reassure your allies to get on the same page of the plans. And if that was the case, I'm sure that's a lot of why this crazy has happened tonight. What wanted to? Talking about the long term impact of what we saw tonight. Do you think that moving forward? Now, I don't know if in time for season thirty nine perhaps in time for season forty will tonight's travel council be one that changes the paradigm, Stephen well, first of all we have stuck with a history of tonight's travel council, and we can't do that without talking about J T Thomas the first person to ever get up and cross the room and survivor game changers. Really revolutionizing survivor tribal councils nobody had ever done that before nobody ever cross party lines. Well, no one had ever gotten out of their seat and walked across the room before of course, whispering had broken out there'd been leaning, but but no one had ever like stood up and walked across the room. And with those bold steps J T Thomas laid out an entire trajectory of survivor history. So really, you know, hats off as always to J T Thomas. Okay. And so now here we are in the okay, everybody. I get up and you are now free to move about the cabin for whether you're pilot or a passenger. So do you think that that was that was really good? Yeah. Do you think that we will see more of this in survivors future? I know you have speculated that like at some point they're going to have to reel it in a little bit. I'm sure that it's like it's like when you're the third person asking for a nickname Jeff is going to be like, no more nicknames. And I think that it's probably a point maybe in every season when he'll be like guys back in back in the seats. Yeah. Well, what do they do? I mean, I feel like that they do like the live tribal council. And this was the live is. So is this is this a problem is this an issue? What is the downside to this? Yeah. I don't. I mean, I think the downside is if it happens all the time it starts to feel formulaic. I would guess that just because of how survivor works that contestants for the most part will not want this to happen. You want your plans pretty much locked up before you go to tribal council. So I think it will always be a little bit of an anomaly, which will always make it a little bit more fun. Of course. I think the players were, you know, we're all the players are becoming more and more camera. And so I think that everyone sees the huge response. These things I've gotten I would imagine that some future, you know, big flamboyant. Character person. Whatever we call them contestant will will do this in the future. Now, what about you? What about Europe, I know that you are not a huge fan of this as a rule, you worry that. There's too much whispering. Yeah. I do think that it is confusing. I really would love to get the opinion of somebody like, my mom who I know Shazad just really just thrown for a loop this week with Joe and Sierra. For somebody who does not follow this as closely as we do in our listeners. Do are. They just like, I don't even know what I watched tonight. Yeah. That's the thing. It's just like it's like part of this like confusion era of survivor where like so much going on. It's just like digs are coming at me on the screen, and it's exciting. But like do I actually can actually like track the logic of it? And I think tonight you pretty much could. But I do think that's that's the day. Or is there enough there that the person who is sort of a barely following what's going on on the show to? Oh, I guess. Julia Blewett and everybody everybody voted her out. I think that's probably like I say, I think it's exciting in the moment. And you like your big takeaway is like Rick turn things around. Julia Blewett and Julia went home. Yeah. Wikipedia apparently is confirmed. The Erik went out on day twenty two. Julia went out on day twenty three that means a was one day. That's crazy. That's not a lot of time to fix things after a big move. Okay. All right. We're going to take your questions as we. Yes. We have talked about exile or extinction. Okay. I didn't know there was much talk about they're not really Eric almost quit. I mean, I guess he's making his kids proud was gonna make kids. Probably it's about time that Chris. Stingray. I did love when he was talking about you know, he he was like doing his his monologue about how hard it is. And in the midst of it really was like, you don't even know how hard it was the only one here. It was like only one, dude. I I did love that. Nobody. Nobody's had a hard time on extinction rain. Yeah. And she'll never raise that mass. No now. Yeah. Okay. All right. We're going to take your questions here. Tonight live hashtag RHA as we talk through this. But Stephen tonight, we saw David Wright, and Rick Devon's come together and play the hidden Amedee idol David Wright, said upon playing the media like, hey, nothing like a little bit of insurance at a tribal council. And of course, nobody knows that better than our friends over at AI, ask the auto insurance specialists who can help you or somebody that drives a car rather somebody is paying too much in car insurance and make sure that they're not bowl owing it like some of the common members did at this tribal council, and they could be saving a lot of money on their car insurance using these smart, quote technology from a s all. Oh, you need to do is head on over to AS insurance dot com slash rob. And you will just give them the your driving information. Your vehicle information, and they will go to work on all the different carriers and the coverage that you want, and you may just find out that your insurance company has been jacking up the rates on you. You had the plane on autopilot? They were jacking up the rates take back control of your insurance payments. Don't make another payment until you talk to a s call one eight hundred seven seven seven four or go to a s insurance dot com super easy way to start saving a lot of money potentially on your car insurance. Stephen that sounds like a great deal. Could be good really impressed with how you are able to weave the metaphors. It's really is it on the fly or do you think about it in advance? And think about it a little bit in advance. Yeah. If this is a gray with the insurance, David with the idol and the insurance, I listen, I listen for like, okay. All right. Let's let's take our first question here from Twitter. Our funeral wants to know what ways to returning players not on extinction island succeed compared to those. Who are this is a great question. We talked about it a little bit. What do you think Rupp? So I really think that the biggest thing that has worked for David Wright and Kelly Wentworth, and I do not think that this was by design the fact that they have not seen United where Cal we're Joe and Aubrey were looked at as a big threat because they were sort of a United front where that Kelly and David have both appeared vulnerable. And now, I think it would be great. We found out that after the season, David Brancaccio. Like, oh my God. We're best friends. We're going to be on the amazing race together. But that would be something here for that team by the race. If you're listening like that is a reason to do another reality season. Yes. So, but the fact that they have both been on each other's radar and both sort of have been opportunities and the dysfunction of less. Sue was brought up quite a bit tonight that hey, it looks like they're vulnerable. It looks like you could take a shot on David Wright looks like you could take a shot on Kelly Winward. It's very appetizing. But then sometimes they get back together and vote together. Yeah. If they were together, and they were working together. The threat would be so huge that there's no question that they would have been voted out. But the fact that it's like there's a debate between them and like each each has its different merits, and that itself causes and we saw that tonight. You know, there were strife caused in that calm alliance because they couldn't decide which of these two threats. To take out if they were together, it would be a no brainer and PS. Now, the five less sues. Have the same number as the five compass? Okay. All right. Let's take one from Bhopal, David and Devon's user idol. Do you think that this was a good idea? Because in the end, it will stop any tension in the future that might have rose David and Devon's both having happened idle. They can be free agents down. Okay. So for David and Devon's it was compared to the baby this as. Many of us speculated or made that analogy before David Wright does it on the show. So you're saying David stolen material saying we were all on the same page with that. So do you think does the relationship with David and Devon's gross stronger without this idle tying them together? Or do you think that now they could potentially go their separate s-? I thought it was really cool the episode when David was like, I think it's me. And I I think every one of us probably had to Devon's is going to be like, no, I think it's me. But actually, you that's such a rare thing for someone to to be. So both aware of the tenor and also generous with the superpower. And I do think that I think like having played it on David we'll make make them. So I don't think the Serra like being free from the idol will make them younger. Idle force them to work together. Even when they were sort of disagreeing. But I think now they've played it together. That's really healed. Whatever rift there was it was nice to then see an idol played on David, right? Yeah. It was great. I write see someone who's played them on others. You're right. And of course, it didn't matter. But I think we can both agree that if you're gonna plan idol, this is the tribal council to do it. Okay. We spent Kelly didn't play her idol. Crowley. They've got of steel. Okay. David Oakley, David Oakley, where should gaveling in Victoria, go from here. Victoria, gonna go with the numbers are pretty convinced to that Gavin could be in trouble gathered at Aurora, I think are two people that I'd be worried about next. But you know, it's the same. It's like the ping pong effect. Right. Like the people this survivor thirty eight very late in the game. The people who people go for are the people who have power, and that's why last week after the communist took power. Suddenly they were the targets. Now, we see Julia going home. So who who's I would actually be surprised if it were someone, you know, in an alliance that now no longer has power who are the power players now who are going to be the new targets. Well, I just wonder if the group that came together on this vote, ultimately, you know, where's that thing going to fracture again? So I mean, could they go. Evo? I don't think that Gavin end Aurora go out back to back, but I could see a one of them going avenue actually Aurora coming often immunity way in Aurora immunity win the week before. So I could definitely see it being one of the two. Yeah. I feel good about Julie no one's gonna vote for Juliette right now. Now that said that she'll be gone all have that. But I feel good about that. He'll good about Julius as the next booth or to win. Just not be the next. Okay. Yeah. All right. Think you're saying that she's the one person that will not get voted up next. I see her as being pretty safe the next vote. But again now that I've said that really nervous. Okay. Yeah. I think she's I think she's safe. I don't see people looking at her as one of the bigger targets right now. It's gonna Tiffany Tiffany wants to know, you guys think Jeff should let them talk for that long tribal. I feel like no, no, I feel like no. Despite being entertaining, especially if the vote was not going to be. On Julia beforehand. No. I mean, I think you should let them keep talking until it stops being interesting or exciting. I just think that you know, we are on that slippery slope. I don't know what the bottom looks like. Yeah. I think that's it. It's only a problem when it does become repetitive. And so far it's been really exciting. I think everyone was super excited about the tribal tonight Everett tribal council just become a scrum from they sit down Jeff says all right tribal council, and everybody's just like, you know. Just a melee. Yeah. Yeah. That would be that wouldn't be fun. And but again, it's fun when it's like rare. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Stephen, let's take one from Thomas. All right. You should read this. Go ahead. I don't wanna take all the questions. Devon's just get the less sue gang back together. Tribal was a huge three sixty for him the three sixty now take a lesson. Remember coach coach Wade says it's one eighty one Haiti it was a one eighty for him. So did direct Evans get the fishy tonight. Oh, yeah. Rick Devon's got the fishy. Okay. Good for Rick Devon's. I almost gave another Fisher JT. But I thought I thought. You're owning your haters at that point. Okay. Stephen, let's do a call more questions here. John Marsala wants to know people are talking best tribal ever, not even close the best tribals have been when everyone stays on their stumps. And we get to hear all the interactions instead of watching John. I I don't think this is the best travel council ever. But this I think they in my mind. This was the most out of control trouble council ever. Yeah. It's not necessarily best. It's exciting. And there's something where for most tribals everyone is kind of being evasive with their. Yes. Right. And here it's just like you're really seeing that raw strategy. I think that's let me make an analogy here for you as a huge sports fan for you. Stephen. It's almost like the fighting in hockey. I think if this know if it turns into all fighting, that's bad. And so they don't want to get rid of fighting. So they got a sort of like figure out a way to have there. Be fire. Fights breakout sometimes in the hockey game. But it's just enough to you know, like, oh fight. Okay. Somebody got up. Okay. All right. What about smash Phil they have or they had to have a reward. John's right. Has ever not had a reward? Yeah. It seems like that. There was no reward Johns. It seems like that based on the information that we have it looks like that there was tribals on back to back days. Yeah. And if that's the case the immunity challenge in the morning presumably early afternoon, and then the tribal at night in say wanna give people time to strategize. So. Yeah. I mean, really again for the like not much time for poor Gavin and Julia, and it does make me feel a little bit worse for them. The fact that they really were not in a position to kind of solidify their plan, and I would say kudos to the producers if they cut her award challenge to because we had such good stuff. But it sounds like they just lucked out. There wasn't one there. Jack says what did Rick Kelly and David mean by we'll talk after the vote doesn't that toes? Totally isolate the commish sheep of who voted with them. I mean, I don't think that that will talk was necessarily so exclusive. Yeah. And also, I mean, you can really tell that. Julia was not making a strategic choice here. She was just angry. Right. And she was like, I don't feel safe. I wanna screw you guys. Like, it was also think you wanted to feel safe. Oh, yeah. Right. But it wasn't necessarily like this is my optimal move. Who? Do you think is in the best bot here? Like if you had to pay based on this group a winner. I mean, obviously Raymond in in. Hi, Rick Devon's this week. Yeah. I like Rick. I kind of think Kelly's in a great spot though. Like, I never is the first time I was like Kelly could really win this thing. I know I started feeling that way after last week too. And you know, she's still has an idle stills Neidl, she stills an idol, she's Greeley strong immunity challenge. But not so strong that she issue. I had this in my head that she strong immunity challenges. But I don't think he's ever won one. I think if it's the right to in Cambodia right by STI. Yeah. So sorry. So so I think Kelly like and she's got Lauren in her pocket. If this less group if this less manages to stick together, she's kind of in the captured ac- because she's she's kind of at that. She's at the center of the dominant groups, right? She's the link between dog and Lauren, and she's got an idol and she's good challenges and word August terrible in challenges. So I think that. And she'll win in that final three. Yeah. Unless Joe comes back, right? And then and then Joe wouldn't that be something? If it's like this whole all this craziness plays out. Then Joe just like walks in sits down and wins the game. So yeah. Yeah. Oh, my Joe who did it. Okay. It'd be the greatest testament ever just how random like how the winner is. Yeah. It's just one big microcosm of the world Seeven. That's it. You you struggle every day make amazing decisions along the way and some beautiful guy with his gorgeous ponytail, just walks. And all the, you know. Okay. All right. Let's talk about what's coming up here on the rob has a podcast. Of course. News af talking about Kranj, Stephen inter on Kranj. Wow. This is the first I'm hearing about really excited about it on news. Af this week with Danny and Tyson amazing race thirty one Steven did you know that they were doing the reality star mazing race. You know, what I actually had heard about it? Rob it at some point. Yeah. So cast preview is up where just chill. I'm just going to say it. Okay. Okay. We were asked I couldn't do it because of my wedding. And rob also was very busy. But we were asked that we had to say, no. So you're welcome. And chris. Amazing race thirty one cast preview of Jessica lease, Dan Heaton. Mike bloom. Check it out over on Rob's website dot com. No regrets. Right. Steven. I know no regret. God. Right. Kevin Martin was on with Taryn talk in big brother, Canada, seven checkout. What the big brother Canada five champ had to say about what's going on always great to hear from that. Kevin Robert Martin Thursday morning update with Taryn coming up so beyond the lookout for that as well. Eleven eastern eight Pacific and then Thursday fiction recap who's going home next on big brother, Canada, seven check that out. And I'm scheduled to be they're scheduled to be there, and it's cool early. So Stephen treat for you tomorrow night on the big brother Canada fiction recap t-bird will be my guest tomorrow survivor at Rob's website at com get your questions in for t-bird coming up. Oh, Shannon gates is going to be on the BNB this week. We're all in for a treat. What does Shannon gates think about this wild week in survivor? She'll be there with. With Mike in Liana. And then why did Julia lose? I'm sure it'll be a good one again with David and Jessica on why blank lost and Eric Stein. Let's get. 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Survivor 38 Episode 7 Feedback with Haley Strong

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Survivor 38 Episode 7 Feedback with Haley Strong

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Comedy you live from my apartment ED's rob has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who wants to know what happens to the people that call up Reema when she's trying to watch survivor. I am rob sister. Nino everybody. Welcome back to our feedback show for this week our merge episode episode number seven of survivor edge of extinction, and I'm very excited to have this a guest of back on the podcast with me. The last time I spoke to her we were working on setting up people to go on blind dates on Robin. Akiva, need a podcast. Of course. She is the co host of the legendary bachelor wrap up with Amy here. She is the great Haley strong Haley. How are you? Hi, robert. I am doing great. I'm so excited to be here. I haven't been able to talk about survivor, a very very very long time. I'd say the last time we did this. It was. Oh, gosh. I can't even remember his name now in millennials versus gen-x crazy guy. Paul Walker's Wachter. Wow. Walker? I hardly know. Yes. Okay. Well, Haley very excited to have you back here. One of the most popular personalities in all of our H AP here to talk about everything going on with survivor talk about love talk about snacks talk about sports. Stop. I'm flattered wherever wherever you want to go today. All right. Let's do this. Yes. I do have to say I think there is a a slight bit of confusion though, today Haley. Yeah. This is interesting actually a lot of confusion. Yeah. I think people are going to be really disappointed when they download this podcast and realize that me only strong Malkin just never played survivor. Have I been to a tropical locale before? Yes. Have I ever purposely starved, myself or money? Absolutely not. Ok okay. Yes. Earlier today, we got a question from Twitter from a from a listener, and I won't embarrass them by saying their name for for being confused, but they wanted to know Haley in worlds apart you and Joe won the chickens as a reward joke. Killed and cook the chickens did these survivor, chickens taste good. Do you think? The Joe will teach ream how to meditate practice yoga and find inner peace joke. Yeah. I can only imagine the tickets were tasty. After a couple of weeks of survey Shen, but I was not there to taste them. I'm very sorry hails appoint once again Haley, what about when you were at the combined tribal council with Aubrey in game changers. Did that remind you of what was going on last week on survivor? Yeah. It was a lot of confusion Hawkeye with long hair got voted out. You know, it was really upsetting for all of us. In this in this situation. I wasn't sitting beside Mike bloom who is cheering emphatically and also. Didn't Allie Lascher get some questions for you on this podcast dead? Yeah. You know? That's that's something that has I'd say plagues the RJ P universe for very long time. And I came up the podcasting ranks at this very similar time. And we both happened to be females in our I won't give it away. I'll just say twenty ish. So people have confused us for a while or set to us. Hey, I love you both. I can't pick who's my favorite and our answer to that is always don't pick. You can love us. Equal. But yes, but now people are confused is it that like my name's Hayley and alleys kind of like in that name sort of a little bit. Like, I I'm not sure sure either, you know, maybe it's also that they haven't placed the face. They just have a voice to go off of. So, but we look at will. We'll get it. Right. Eventually. Yeah. Please. Pick a cute photo of me for the whatever we're this is feedback show. We're just using whatever you put on Twitter that's going to be. That's what we're doing with these. Yeah. The picture. Okay. So I did watch the very end of know it alls. Who how you're announcing that I was being on the show. I just like hearing my own name on things, obviously who doesn't and the photo that was chosen was very interesting, and it was kind of out of context because this is going to be very small audience of people who even when I'm talking about sort of neat pointing on something. But what was like cut out? It was like a phone booths in London. So the picture makes no sense. And she's like pointing out like Kelly Wentworth or something. I don't know. Okay. Do you want us to change the photo full when we post the actual podcast? Yeah. Can you just use like my Facebook profile photo? Okay. I will I will Email Alex who makes the the pictures for this. And I will I will tell him what to use my instructors. Is it just use a person's Twitter photo? They're picking it out. And then we'll go from there. All right, but let's get into everything going on. Oh, you don't wanna talk more about my photo preference. I feel like that we can come back to that. If you're. If you want to talk about it more, but people are going to they want to hear some survivor talk at least in the beginning. And then we'll pretend it's a survivor podcast. And then we can talk about whatever later on but Haley, so let's talk a little bit about the of extinction. How are you feeling about this season here at the merge, you know? I would I listen to these podcasts I tend to be little higher on seasons than other people. I think it's more that I just don't have emotional availability to care as much as like at like the to how the twist or screwing things up and whatever, but I will say I am not completely in love with the season in. I've thought about why. And I think part of the reason is I'm very over bringing back a couple returnees and putting this season of newbies. Because then we lose a lot of those new characters, and that's the best part. I love seeing the new characters and sure I love some of these old people. I love Kelly. I love Aubrey. I love David. But. Pregnant pause. Yeah. But I'd like to see them on an all stars. I'd like to see them interact, but they just have such a leg up in the game that it just it just doesn't feel fair. Nido in this reality TV. Nothing's fair. Whatever I get it. But it just takes up a lot of screen time. And I think we have some really awesome characters in the season. We're just not getting Julia didn't get confessional toll last week. And it's like a month and a half. And you know, Aurora hasn't gotten a whole lot. And like I literally had to pull up a cast list for this podcast. So I can put names to faces and, you know, give names to people. So I just wish that wasn't really an aspect of it the extent extinction like my favorite thing in the world. But I'm fine with them trying to mess with the format of bitch just to live and things up. And I like being able to see the people who were voted out see them a little bit more. That's a lot of fun. I don't think the season is gonna fall high on my rankings a favourite seasons. But it's just hasn't quite grabbed me, you don't have literally have like an Alexsandr, Chester style. Ranking of the season's do, you know, I'm not a nurse. Okay. He's not gonna listen to this. He doesn't follow me on Twitter. And you've appeared on his podcast before as well. Multiple time times. Yeah. Okay. Maybe you don't fit in on the spreadsheet. But when you said it's unfair to have these returning players versus the new players nonetheless. The new players are running circles around the returning players at this point where you talking about just from the airtime perspective that and you know, coming into the game having three people who played three times played two full games before. That's just they don't have that learning curve that everyone else does yet. But it's not doing them any good that we saw Aubrey go out. And now Johnson so results based right? Look, I think that we've Finally I think crossed the threshold on reality TV we're for years that I think the argument was like well, don't do seasons that are mixed because the new players are going to just, you know, get served, but this time around that the returning players are really on the ropes where two of them are out and another one or two could go out in the next couple of weeks. I guess so I could be on extinction soon. I guess that's true. Why am I even complaining about now gal, maybe the reason why we're seeing so much from the returning players is because they're like the big primer characters, and they're not gonna be around for much longer. Possible that could be. Yeah. Anything can happen. Although if David almost feels like not quite a returning because the only played twice. Yeah. It's only the second time. So he's all he's almost a first time player almost rookie. Yeah. He's basically a rookie no sophomore slump so far for he's gonna be a third base for a very long time before and a hip injury. What does it back injury back? We'll do will knock you ask Pat about that. Because I am you know, a David Wright Mets fan girl is that why you keep having me on during David Wright seasons. Yes. Yes. Every time. TV's right plays. I know you're a big fan of you saw the picture of you with a cut out of David Wright. Right. No. That's Jose bautisa. But in my head it was right? I do have a mini stuffed doll of David Wright, though. Okay. Maybe that's okay. I wanna talk to you about Kelly Wentworth. Because as the co host of the bachelor wrap up you and Amy have had Kelly Wentworth on as a guest on multiple occasions to talk about your shared love for the bachelor. And you may have some insight into what Kelly Wentworth is thinking that the layman may not have. Yes. So I want to I want everyone to know that I was very hood on the Kelly Wentworth bandwagon. Just she was my winner pick and San Juan del sur that didn't work out super well for me. But because I showed that love for her followed each other and Twitter got to talking, you know, big fan of the bachelor we invited her to come on. I believe we are the last podcast. She was on before she went on second chances. She came on a campaign stop for second chances and did the bachelor happe- podcast. And then we had her in this week's other guests. Randy Bailey, come on and do a bachelor draft with us one year too. So Kelly, she is a very forward thinker, and she will do whatever it takes to win which was proved in the bachelor draft when her and Randy kicked Amy is asses from here to Fiji. No, are you saying? That they looked at the spoilers and did their draft that way is that what you're saying anything to win picked Lauren beef. I the most boring human on the face the planet. So to win you thought that there that was suspicious? You know? I don't know. Yeah. No. I know I'm gonna put my faith. In fact, they didn't look spoilers and he gives me. Yeah. They did try and pull a trick in which they were talking up. What was her name? Jasmine, I think she ended up being on like bachelor in paradise and ex on the beach years later tried to like talk her up in. So that any and I would choose her for our team. And then after we're like go we didn't like her. We made you pick her, you know, so they do have tricks up their sleeve. What are you guys like babies that if they talk about how good something looks? Then that makes you take it. I guess so I don't know. Okay. All right. So I have been trying to think about this all week long because based on what I saw on Wednesday night. I thought something happened in the episode that didn't make sense from Kelly's perspective, I could not wrap my head around. Why did she come into the merge? And then here comes Rick Devon's. She's not excited for him to come back. And then that turns into, hey, why don't we all target the people that are from our own tribe. So that we lose the numbers. So that we end up getting picked off when. If they could have kept their tribe together and pulled in Joe and pulled in Aurora than they would have had seven going into this tribal council. I wanted to if you had any thoughts on all of this. I feel like this episode really could have been ninety minute episode. There was a lot of weird little editing quirks. At didn't totally make sense to me one of them was I thought my DVR started late. But no, we really don't of you slam previously on later on when Wendy and Keith relieving edge of extinction island. I thought I'd like missed them. But it was really just like a weird jump cut and again with Kelly just as soon as Rick walks in. She's just like, okay. He like he's out like you said when they were trying so hard to keep everyone together. Just there's a lot of things that didn't quite make a whole lot of sense to me. So I think the problem is that the blue team the previous blue team turn green teams have no experience. Not voting each other. They didn't realize there was any other options habits, die hard. Yeah. Yeah. So I have been thinking about this. And you know, there has been some threads on Reddit talking about this today about how the clip that. We saw in the episode of Kelly talking about Rick coming back from extinction doesn't line up with a clip of Kelly that was in this week's secret seen so I wanna talk about that. And then use as supporting evidence for maybe another theory of how this all when you tell me if I'm ceasing to make sense at any point now, or when did I start going to play this themes? I may at some point maybe okay at some point. Okay. So here is the clip that is from the episode of Kelly. Talking about how she is not excited to see Rick Devon's return from extinction all the faces that I saw doing that challen. Devon's was the one person I thought. No like. I don't want him back here. Okay. So that was what Kelly said in the episode and a lot of us, you know, especially on the note. All also like, well, why didn't you want Devon's back at a edit anybody? Yeah. I thought Wendy was her new sworn enemy and regime and Chris who she thought was targeting her. And that was another person that she probably would not have wanted his Keith she has any love for key. But Devon's was they had that lovey-dovey tribal council. And now here he is back in the game. But here is Kelly's confessional from the secret scene, which is a little bit different talking about her watching this edge of extinction returning challenge. I read he just like one by one here, they come like giving me the death stare, and I'm like. Hell, no my worst nightmare. Couldn't get any worse like mardi minority. And now here come these people like, okay? So unless Kelly win worth's new favorite expression is. Hell, no. It's it seemed like that this quote was cut up a little bit. And maybe taken out of context. Now, I will say in the clip at airs in the episode. She does say she doesn't want him back. And so I think that this is that she is talking about Devon's on faith, and I saw doing that challen. Devon's was the one person I thought. No. I don't want him back here. So I think it is possible that she had a couple of different sentences in different interviews where she's talking about that. She doesn't want Devon's back, and they combined it with the best moment of Ohio. No this happens on reality. Tv I think that's probably more likely than she didn't want Devon's gone, and they completely manufactured this out of nothing. Yeah. This is still pretty crazy though. Like, this feels like a complete Franken by yell. Interesting. It's interesting and people caught it on Reddit. And there's been a lot of chatter about this today. But wondering on Twitter any earnings that I believe, and I don't have my social media segment in front of me. I think that the only thing that Kelly had said back on Twitter was that she had said something about like, you guys don't get to see everything. But I'm wondering if maybe an alternate view of the events that happened at the merge because again Kelly is a great player. I that if she's doing something that doesn't make sense. You know, we need to think about what what is she thinking? And I'm wondering maybe does Devon's come back from extinction island. And is he wants Julie talks to him and says, hey, we're not going to send you back is Devon's on board with the comma people and. Proxy David is going to jump ship and vote with them whatever they wanna do. And then are we seeing Kelly and Lauren scramble after the fact of knowing that Devon's is not with them anymore, and is Kelly trying to bring Joe onboard to vote out Devon's to save herself or Lauren or war dog after she sort of realizes that Devon's and David have already jumped ship. Yeah. That makes sense to me because the sewed sort of does it in the opposite order the episode. We see I like Kelly is like, hey, I gotta go after Devon's I take Devon's out of the game. I don't trust him. And I don't trust David. But I wonder if maybe if it was the other way around that maybe that could make more sense. And why then Kelly is is then instead of saying like, hey instead of voting out me or Lauren or war dog. Why don't we do a safe vote? Why don't we why don't we not Devon's out of the game? Because that's somebody that we can all agree on, and then at least Kelly feels like okay. Well, let me just vote out. Like, basically, the swing vote here that person that nobody is with sort of just like big Wendy at the last tribal council and Kelly feels good enough about that. And that's why she doesn't play her idol. Oh my gosh. Okay. My brain is hurting it. Okay. This episode just hands. It makes no sense to me. Yeah. I guess that. But I still just don't get why. Kellie, would try and go for Rick in this point? I don't know if she thinks he's already with comma. He's he's a number four the other side, she can at least open up a line of dialogue with with with Joe and Aurora, basically if she's going to sub out Devon's and David for Joe and Aurora as people that she's working with she and Lauren we're going to hold onto their idols vote vote. Devon's out vote David out here next. And then potentially get in good graces with Julie and the women of Kama maybe than she could get something going. I just think that maybe that's a alternative view of this that actually makes more sense from Kelly's perspective that she is not the person who is break. Being up the less sue slash monarch group. She's responding to the fact Devon's comes back from extinction and says, hey, I'm going to vote I'm going to work with the new people rather than go back with the group that voted me out. Okay. Yeah. That that makes total sense in Kelly is kind of been head to head with David through the season. And she has played with Joe before. And Joe has a bit more of a shallow game than David does. So I can understand why she'd rather go with him than David. So that's again. Maybe maybe that's what happened. Maybe that's not what happened by just think that that was a interesting way to look at it to at least try to make it try to make sense. A we have Kelly, you know, talking about Devon's that she does she does want him out. But then it's not that she he's not the main person that she's targeting. I don't think that she looked at that group from extinction. Ireland said that is the one person. I don't want back in the game. Right. Okay. Yeah. That makes more sense. Because the way it's presented in the episode. It just doesn't really come together. And maybe it will come together in other episodes. But a lot of this episode just just didn't really seem to quite fit. Now. Also, we've got a lot of extenuating circumstances here in this episode because not only do we have everything going on. We had this big edge of extinction competition, we don't normally have a competition in the merge episode. Then we go back to extinction island again later on in the episode, and then we have sort of all of the hysteria around demerge where Stephen going back to when he played in. The chances has talked about how like at the merge and that season he said, there's all these conversations going around like so little of what's actually being said is even being captured by the cameras, let alone shown on the actual TV show. So to try to now, you know, forty two minutes show, this is cut down to all right now. Explain everything that happened in this three days in a total of between the challenges and extinction island and tribal council. Take all that out of the equation. It's like you got about eleven minutes to tell me story. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a test of the tough sell. It's a lot. So sometimes they're shortcuts sometimes things that are out of order. And I think that you know, we're trying then just to do forensics to try to make sense of everything that's going on. Let me play a question for you. This one is for you from Patrick from Michigan has a question for you Haley. Hi, Robyn Haley. This is Patrick from Michigan. I wanted to know who made the dumbest decision this week. Was it the commerce six deciding devote out Joe over Kelly Wentworth was it. Kelly went worse, and Lauren deciding to target Rick Devon's or was it rob and kiva who somehow decided that the Batman theme song was better than the Scooby. Doo theme. Song will love to hear your thoughts. Thanks haley. Do you have any thoughts on who made the dumbest decision this week? I think it was you choosing me for this time. I'm just kidding. I did not love learning Kelly's bid to get David or Rick. I am a hardcore leli STAN. But I just don't think that was the right decision for them. I think instead of trying to make the plan themselves. They should have been trying to get in on the other plan. Just show that you know, I'm willing to work with you, whatever you want. We can work together we can make a plan together. Instead of just being like, hey, let's vote Rick. And then that kind of looks sketchy because it's like, oh, well, why are you trying to vote a somebody who was originally on your on your try? So you're saying they should go to come. We saw them doing the episode and say, hey, what do you guys want to do tonight? We are on board for whatever you guys wanted as opposed to. Hey, why don't we take out Devon's? Yeah. I think when you're in the minority you don't wanna try and call too many shots because then. Then the majority is gonna look at you. And be like who do they think? They're. Yeah, you're right. That is a classic survivor mistake when somebody who does not have that much power tries to, you know, push an idea that they do not have the goodwill to be able to get across. Yeah. And it's not like they prove themselves as like challenge beasts, really, and you know, in the past in as good as I think Kelly and Lorne both going to be an individual challenges. Like. Really want? Somebody like this on our team who doesn't really have a whole lot of power anyway. So if they're not super willing tour with us, and what's the point in having them along right that Kelly Lauren come into that situation. And they really are not bringing anything to the table in terms of like, they don't have the numbers that they're saying like, hey, let's just vote out. A maybe had they said, hey, let's vote out David. Maybe that's something. Like, hey that they want to get out a returning player. Maybe that's a little bit more exciting. But Julie did seem to be very much against the idea of sending Devon's back to extinction island. Yeah. I really think it's just like not the best move to go into a situation when you're down on the numbers. It'd be like here are all my cards. Will you want to you you want to know what the other people are thinking like do they want to get somebody out from your tribe or do they want to get some the somebody from their tribe, which they did? So it's like they almost. Made it worse for themselves. Because now they weren't even on the right side the numbers, and they expose their issues with their former tribe, and it kind of just, you know, exasperates exacerbates exasperates. That they don't have anyone else. Haley. I'd love to get your take on the person that teed go home in this episode. And that was Mr. Joe and glum how do you feel that Joey amazing is out here again at the survivor merge? I am bored with Joe board with Joe listen. We had four seasons of Ozzy. We had three seasons of Malcolm. Who is a better more exciting version of Ozzy three seasons of Joe who's just like another Ozzy? So that's never been my favorite player. The challenge. Beast don't totally interest me. I love the people who are really good at the social game. Her really good at making friends, and we're Joe just like it's like he doesn't even attempt to play the social game. Like, he's only cares about the challenges. I think he kind of proved that in this episode when and his tribe member who definitely has a name that is run came. Came and asked them. Hey, what are you thinking tonight? Joe's like mono. I'm pretty busy painting flagrant now. Play that clip from episode because I really did enjoy it. Here is Joe working on his art project. And here comes wrong, buddy. What's the plan? You go follow those and make sure not on the chuckling. Follow those Nord's. Like. Okay. I loved hey, buddy. There's a lot of gold in this tiny little clip is there. Nobody. And then Joe. He doesn't even have a word. He just literally is just a sound. Yeah. And then let me play the part where Ron feels like the Joe mayday big mistake. Make sure not tonight. Okay. Hope not. Yeah. Just like, whatever you think, you know, I truly could not screaming word of when I was saying, and I get mad at my long term boyfriend Ethan often for mumbling through sentences, and I feel like I would just get home. I'm going to start. That's a great one. That's a great weird insult. Yeah. Hey, I wonder if Joe perhaps, and I said the same thing about Wendy last week when Aubrey said to her like, hey, so what do you think about working with us and Wendy was sort of like a giving her a what what do you mean work together? You know, do you feel like is Joe perhaps a not great lion? Not great liar. Not great liar. And that Joe is already been approached by Kelly win worth. And so he's already on board with the plan to that. They're going to split votes between devons and David. And so that they're not telling the comma people about this, or at least the that the maybe they think that the comma women are on this with Julie and Julia and Victoria, perhaps. And so they think that they're part of something some other plan that Ron is not involved in is job just giving Rana brush off. Off if he is that's the worst brushoff ever. It's not a good brushing who's go phone. Moon beach. I think we're thinking someone on what's what's the tribe? What's Kelly and less sewer or former money former Monaco current lessees rights? Why wouldn't you just say, hey, we're seeing someone from there who would be your choice those four. Yeah. Yeah. Back on him. You always want to turn it back on the other person. You never want to be like, hey, definitely this person. You always want other people to say that to you just go with the flow, everyone just needs to chill out and go with the flow and present some option. Hey, what about those minority for easy to pick off? And then we can go through to Cam. No champ. What am I don't care? What? Comet. There's a lot of words. Comma. Stephen dish back. I love comma, even just beggar they could turn back into college. And be like, well, let's just wait and get those four who do you think we should start with with those four? Do you think anyone would have an Idaho? Do you think Rick should you know, should we give him another chance or you more freight of Cal just kind of like say that rather than one? And maybe Joe Joe wants to be a straight shooter with everybody. But the thing on survivor age played two times, and that has not worked for you. You gotta dry you. Stop painting the sign for fifteen minutes and I dunno play survivor instead of project runway do you like the pain Haley. I don't like painting. My home. Was the worst experience of my life? I'd have to say why because I'm very impatient. And it just takes longtime do doddle in arts and crafts, occasionally, my mom didn't like for me to have paint because I was a messy child. I know that's shocking for money. I'm more of gosh. I don't know. I'm not that great thing. So I never really got super into painting. Okay. Let me play another voicemail for you. And this is another question about Joe, let's go to Bobby. You'll rub yo this is AVI and williamsport, and I just wanted to Bill if by any chance that though if you get an update on how you Bob is feeling after four chill. We got a live sided as the other night. Thanks a lot. Look the podcast for. Don't worry about my mom, Bobby. Okay. He's worried about your mom. But that is a good question. Because as anybody who's a longtime listener, the podcast knows my mom is a huge, Joey amazing. Stan her all time favorite survivor and Haley, I thought that it might be fun. If we could do a check in with Roseanne sister. You know, it's see how Joey amazing nation is holding up at this hour. I would love nothing more. Okay. We're gonna we're gonna do this live. Okay. Here we go. All right. We're calling calling my mom's house is she going to answer is she see your name pop up on the screen, actually answer. Okay. Captaining? Hello, mom. You are on rob has a podcast with rob sister. Nino and Haley strong. I am had low Haley so nice to meet you as well tickled pink. I am tickled pink. The honor is all mine. Okay. I got a text from my mom yesterday that she was very sad yesterday morning, and I called her up, and I said, I don't want to hear anything about your thoughts. Let's let's do it on the podcast. Let's go ahead. And let's let's talk about it. And they kind of a voicemail that people want to know how you're feeling so mom, we're talking about Joe Anglo, and as the voice of Joey amazing nation. What's going on in the background? The humidifier kind. I'm in you are temporary office. Okay. All right as as the voice of Joey amazing nation. Can you can you tell us how you're feeling at this hour? Well, do you say it was a tough blow kudos to the survivor team for the for the editing. They did on the vote itself on showing the opening votes. It's like, oh, this is amazing. Nobody voted for him. And you know, you know, how gullible I am. So I almost choked on my dinner has the Joe votes finally came to be and it was it was devastating to me. Because I thought I'm watching him say, I blew it. Yes. So and then as as he was walking off on the beach headed for godforsaken extinction island. I said, wait tried. He's gonna come back. So that that is the shred of hope that I'm hanging onto. Okay. Overall better. I'm feeling better. How do you feel like Joe has done this season up until this point? Well, he's he's physically. He can't help it play a great game. I mean super competitive, you know, he's got he's got all the right moves. That's exactly what he talked about was going to make him for target. Do you feel like the Joe did anything wrong as a as a Joe fan? You feel was there anything that? He was doing this season. You felt like I think he's making the wrong move. I think he was he was so afraid of stepping out into the limelight. And you know. He he said, I don't I don't want to be a coach they're asking me for advice. But I don't I'm afraid to give I think he just instead of living in the moment. He he was held back by his fears from his past two seasons. Mom, who do you? Hold responsible for getting Joe out of the game. It seems like everybody. Seems like everybody are you going to rate them? All emails saying how mad you are. You just gonna comment. I know we as as big fans of rob has a podcast. I know I know. We like to keep things politically, correct. And no mean-spiritedness. Okay. You won't go on Twitter and go after all these people, right? Not even under burner account. That would be probably I, you know, I'm forgetting his name right now, the guy that was, you know, talking to him and assuring him that Ron I would tell you. If it was you Ron Clark. Thank you that one. Okay. That's son of a gun that day for Ron Clark. Tough tough afternoon for a Ron Clark said it was it was inconceivable that they had this would have this opportunity and not take advantage of it. But I I'm sure you know, the editing was was done to hold us in suspense. And and they had me. So that you don't fault them for making this move. Like, you think it was the right thing for them to do no matter how broken your heart is I I don't think, you know, we're past the merge and now he's got to go. I hear that. I hear that. And if he was in one of my favorite players, I'd be saying them. Don't you can't you know, you never know when you'll have the opportunity it was it was he was he was in the in the. The challenge to you know, just to wonder last few and then that costs the wind came. So. Yes, you the other players were were doing their thing. Mom, what is it about? Joe that you've seen, you know, five hundred some odd people play the game. What is it about? Joe that has really spoken to you. Is it that he represents everything that rob is not? Yes now. Absolutely. Not. I absolutely not. He's just I don't know. He just seems to be he just seems to be we'll heart. He wants to win, but he wants to win fairly and squarely. He's very physical. And he knows it, but he wants to he just want. He wants to win on his own merits. He doesn't wanna trip anybody to get to the finish line. I know he cares about his family, and he's just a pretty much every season. There's that you know, there's one person that just touches my heart. No, Joe is dating another survivor alumni. Sierra Sierra, Don, Tom. Yes. Yes. And you know, who that is. I do. Okay. You remember? And you think they're a good couple on. Yes. I I don't know. She I you know from the game that she played. She seems a lot a lot a lot different from him. But I'm to question him. Okay. That was just you know, sometimes I understand that people are on the show that that take on on an identity. That's not true of their character. I right sometimes. Yeah. So all right. So what is your confidence level that Joe will be able to return from extinction island? Oh, I am. I'm going to say I am ninety nine percent. Certain will and fell to comeback. Listen, they come back, and they do another challenge who's going to beat them. Okay. So you're really just putting all your hope that Joe is going to come back from you're not leaving any room. To be disappointed because what happens if he doesn't come back. I'm not I gotta put the good karma out there. Yeah. And now he he's gonna come back with an ax to grind. We we'll see a different side of him. Maybe they've pushed him. Okay. If he has some sort of a villain turn if he's if he starts breaking bed. Will you still like him? Yeah. I'm gonna sing because I'm going to. I'm just going to assume. He's saying now, he's playing a bad guy part? But he's not he's not going to. He's not gonna do anything that his family's not going to be proud of him for in the end. Okay. I think even he realizes he's he's got a he's got to get just a little bit tougher hill. Did you know this whole Joe Beck story, which one about how he's does it all for his family? I didn't really, but I could only soom about this character type loves doing stuff for their family. So story check. So he does it for Sierra doesn't for Sierra. Mom. How do you think Joe is going to hold up on the edge of extinction with reams? I think he I think he's going to be charming. Okay. He can win remover. It's going to be step one is to ingratiate. Everybody with him there. He's going to be it's going to be a new day. Yeah. Okay. So he's going to win over everybody on the edge of extinction. Then he's going to come back. And do you think the Joe will come back and win the game? I I'm going to have to say, okay. 'cause I gotta believe. Yeah. I have to. I mean, it's it will be a herculean effort of, you know, could could somebody win every challenge or, you know. Yes. I I mean, if if he goes to tribal again. Yeah, he's out. And would you say then Joe's win would have an asterisk on it because he has been voted out went to the edge of extinction before he won. Would you think any less of that win now? No, I would I would think I would think he's a true champion. Okay. Haley, do you have any questions for Roseanne sister, Nina about the edge of extinction? I don't think so I just wanted to say what a big fan. I am of you Roseanne. A long time. And every time you come on the podcast gets so excited. Oh, we thank you so much. I enjoy I really I really do. I mean, of course, I've got I've got a vested interest in this. But I truly am. A fan of the game. And I I learned so much more from listening to the podcast because this is sue survivor know, it all meet survivor knows nothing. No, listen to every podcast. No. I listen to the recaps. No, no, no. I can't listen to every podcast does. Yes. Okay. My mom. My mom often asks where she could listen to my bachelor podcasts, and I just say, please mom, just don't I'd rather. You know, listen to my bachelor podcasts. Oh, you don't have the same. You don't have the same guidelines as rob nothing. No prefers prefers to keep it PG at best. I guess that could be one of the reasons why no I do enjoy. I do. Enjoy listening. To you know, if there's something special interest all tune in. But when I'm on a long walk. I like to listen to the. The show from the night before the know it alls. Yeah. I missing a missing the executive you after podcast. Yes. But it it's kind of like he's walking with me. So it serves two purposes for me. Okay. Mom, is there anybody that's really getting under your skin on this season. Anybody? That's that's really getting on your nerves like Troy Zan. I'm not to that. Because I feel like there's still so many people. Yeah. There's a lot like when when Trump was reading the boats. It was really the people. No. I don't think I don't think we see any one person. That one I tell you. There were times Wendy is getting with getting on my nerves. But I think she has she's really extended herself lift the last few shows. Okay. Mom, is there anything else you wanna say about Joe Angouleme or the edge of extinction or rob is podcast. Rob rob has a podcast is always. Well, we phenomenal entertaining. One of the best. The season is has been. This twist is on is a good one. I mean, it's why survivor so great that it just keeps reinventing itself and you never feel like oh this again. So I I am enjoying the twist, and I don't know. I I'm not sure if I got voted out I wouldn't be right on that boat. That's taking me back home. Everybody is so brave. Mom, how many hours would you like a postseason interview with Joe anglin to be what are you don't want to wear them out? Stephen interview would be of an oven. Our would be one just one hour. Yes. Because you know what? I'm sure he doesn't like to talk about himself ad nauseam. Okay. All right. We'll see if he can do it. I've never gotten into, you know, sit down for an interview other than when he called in when he got boated out. I maybe shine. Maybe maybe exactly what I say. You know, it's I for somebody somebody like that who's you know, a little he'd rather be physical than than chatty. Yes. Maybe he maybe he's avoiding that. Okay. It may you gotta take it easy on them. All right. We have to get back to all of these feedback questions. But could you just give one one last piece of support to all the other Joe fans that are out there? Let's not give up hope keep smiling and he's coming back into work. All right. Mom. Thank you so much so nice to talk to you. I appreciate you making some time to Chad. Afternoon. And I love you. Mom, you too, sweetie. Take care. All right. Bye. Bye. All right. Hailey there, you have it Roseanne sister Nino. And yes. Taking a very well. I thought she's ninety nine percent. Sure. He's coming back. He's win. Yeah. That's fair. That was a preseason thing. Right. Like, oh, they built this the season for Joel happen. And you know, what story's feeling like is checking out here. I don't know. I don't feel like I made you my winter pick because of that. But I don't feel like that. We are on the trajectory now that I mean based on the story we've seen so far. I mean did Joe really get like the falling hero. Ed that Joe was very under ended for the first seven hours of the show. I completely agree with you there. Are you? Sure, you want the editing people to be mad at you. Do I want the people to mid me like the people who edit the show I'm saying like the people who get mad when he talked about the ETA. Well, I'm just saying that I feel like that this it doesn't worry wise this season doesn't feel like that. This is season. Is Joe's story now maybe that could change where maybe the focus of the show starts to shift a little bit when he's on the edge of extinction. But I feel like that. But is that because his tribe literally, not a single time went to tribal council. So we didn't really get that post challenge. Condo with him. Okay. I wanna talk through a couple of other quick things about Joe angle Lum and this week's episode. Let me play you another question, which is the little conspiratorial about Joe in the challenge. And this is one from Jill in Detroit Joe from Detroit here, I had a question about just performance in the immunity challenge. I review the tape a few times. And I think that he threw the challenge you see him look at that jazz. Make a big side shrug his shoulders and then do a berry community theatre type wobble. Like, he's going to lose his balance and his statue falls. I would love to hear what you think about this theory. Rob was Joe stupid enough to throw this shell. Enj-? He did say that he wanted to do something different this season. They okay. Haley. What do you think of it is this crazy talk is their legs to this? I love a conspiracy theory. Here's the thing. I just don't think Joe has it in him to not try and win everything. Humanly possible would feel like he thinks that throw a challenge is, you know. Not noble, or you know, not how you should play things anything. Joe? I don't want to give them a whole lot of credit. But I feel like he is smart enough to know that if he loses a challenge his name is going to just be out there. No matter what. So it could be bad khama and Joe. So I don't know. I so I went back, and I did look at this after we got this phone call from Jill and listen to Jeff describe the action of Joe ultimately going out Joe is been very steady. Aren't no signs of a problem. Now now. Trump's nowhere. Daddy, and we're down to okay now. It's possible joke could have just been absolutely no problem in drop. Suddenly but Haley varied about passing out, maybe. But I also want to add that David Wright when out right before Joe. So I think that David ends up getting two there were four people left and then David goes out. And now if Joe is on this plan of okay, we're going to split the votes between devons and David Wright. It's possible. He could have just been waiting out David Wright in the challenge. And then say, okay, David Wright is not going to win immunity. So let me give it to somebody else to keep that target off of me. I do love this theory. A now I'm being convinced. I'm very easily invincible. I like it. But I just interested anyone else. Yes. But Joe just he just doesn't give off the vibe that he would ever throw challenge for any reason whatsoever. Yeah. It would be out of character. But we did see earlier this season, and Stephen, and I talked about it where Joe and Eric trading off in terms of like throwing rings in one of the challenge. And Joe had it set up where he wasn't gonna hit the winning shot where I think that he was at least thinking about these things where he didn't want to be the person. Who is like Joe does it. Oh my God. Joe? So I think that he may been thinking in those terms, but it does seem a little bit of a stretch to think that he's throwing challenges. But maybe when we had that one hour interview at the end of the season. This is a good question to remember to ask him. Yeah. I do let this theory. Okay. I'm just not not totally sure. If I buy into it yet me neither. But I think it's fun to talk about. All right. Let me play a question. From Meghan was a question about Joe. Hi, Robyn Haley, this is Megan from wealth on -tario Canada. I have a question for you Haley. What are your thoughts on Joe's spectacular hair in that tribal council? I feel like. I should come up with some island haircare program and make millions or maybe Joe for the next bachelor. Thanks, okay. So Haley, what do you think about Joe's hair and Joe's look overall the hair is getting a little long little. Yeah. Men or women. I don't always love like super super long hair. And maybe because I'm very lazy, and the upkeep seems like a lot and because his hair so curly. I would think that that would be very hard for him to keep. Not a complete rat's nest like my hair's Mary street, and my hair always ends up like knock great by the end of day, or if not washing my hair, so Joe is working some Urals out there. I don't know what he's doing. But his hair is beautiful. It's shiny. It's long. It's luxurious. I would absolutely buy some sort of hair care product. If Joe advertised at what would they call it? Oh my gosh. What a what a trying to think of some sort of fun. Can we come up with some sort of a marketing campaign for the Joe Angouleme hair care products? Yeah. It's a lot of obviously, it's very coconut oil base. Product. You know, are you looking for an amazing hair day? That really holds up to any competition. It faces. Maybe a could it be some sort of like anti dandruff as well? Where maybe you could have like some sort of like menthol to it. I now have to have you know, my little little Tingler is going off you will. Yeah. That's how you feel it working that was a strength. Give me a job here product that I can get behind. Okay. Look, I think that this could be a really a good jump for Joey amazing after survivor and shadow to southwestern Ontario. Okay. All right, then let's segue and talk about a question you want to talk a little bit about the people that were on the edge of extinction who ended up walking off this week. We saw up to when Wendy and Keith who ultimately left. They will not be a part of the survivor jury. Haley, did you blame them at all for raising the mast? No, I think this whole like every part of this little situation is super funny to me like they were so excited that they got a chance to get back into accent extinction. But when they got to the island there like, you know, what never mind. Wind and like, do they get to go on a jury trip by themselves or because no one's no one else is really like going to to live in Ponderosa. Like do. They just stay up Ponderosa the whole time. Like, I just have. I think they'll say upon Rosa. Yeah. It was funny. When I went back in watched the episode again before we did this that Jeff talk to Keith on after the edge of extinction challenge loss and wanted to know how how you was feeling about everything king. How do you get through extinction? Oh, like you live by moment by moment. You take step by step in that masked becomes everything that you wanted. It becomes the food that you want it becomes a bed. And I'm so proud that. I did not give. The one takeaway just the one thing that Keith is super proud of deadlock didn't give he did not give up like I think that that keep Jeff really screwed Keith up by giving him the chance to go back. My favorite part. Was that Wendy wasn't even there for like, twelve hours total? Yeah. And then she was like, you know, what not for me? Michael. I've made a terrible mistake. And they just wanted out. They called it buyer's remorse. Yeah. Fair and reasonable. If I got back there to be like, you know, not for me. I wouldn't go and survivor to begin with because I'm very delicate. But do you consider this acquit? Or is it just a function of what this version of survivor is I don't think it's a quit. But I think it's sort of like a tap out. If there's any sort of like, I I've had enough. Thank you. I it's not a quit voted out. But like instead of like, you know, struggling for some chance like they're they're not going to get back in the game. They're like what's the point here? Yeah. So I don't say I think it's different than a Quaid. I'm not mad at these guys. But it just was funny that that was the one thing that keeps you could hang on just so much of this whole extension extinction island thing is so amazing to me like reim- is on the jury like how how wonderful is that you want a renewed type character on a jury because you get those whole areas like subtitles of comments they made, you know, and we lost so much. When we when ream one out I and so to have this extra remiss to the season. Oh, it's wonderful. You know, love rim. Yes. Of course. Not I love him. How how do you think? Green felt I would like to hear an impression of ream realizing that she made the jury even though she got voted out for. Due to find out that I made the jury after like, I've watched this show like all the time. And now I go from being the first boot to being on jury. Like, are you kidding me? Man. Are you kidding me? How do you feel about Joey amazing getting voted late? So why won't kid Kelly brick in wet worth get voted out? Dude. Do you think she says dude more than that guy from Guatemala says man? Oh, judd. She could have a dude man off. It was men. He said, right? Or was it? He said man, she says she says, dude, nobody says sentence and ends a sentence with dude. It's beautiful Jeff s ream how she's feeling after her time on the edge. Watching this for eighteen years my favorite show. This is a no talking don't call me. This is the kids come watch this. It's family time. Like, this is the dream and voted out. And then I end up in how and I get sucked. But I couldn't raise that mass. I'm proud of myself. Yeah. She's doing dude in one man. So. And probably I think like six or seven lanes in this episode. Sadly, it was wonderful. I'm fine with these people getting voted out and just being on the jury give me an entire season with the jury like I I don't care. I don't let's do it with mazing. Let's do it. So Haley were you on the edge of your seat during the return of the edge of extinction challenge? I was I I was trying to be like cool and tell me like whoever comes back. It's fine. Whatever no big deal. But then when Wendy was so close to winning. I was oh my God. And then when Christmas close to winning. I was oh my gosh. And then when Rick was so close to winning. And then that music started. It was like oh my gosh. Yes. Amazing. Like, I was so excited. I was glad Rick came back. I feel like we didn't get quite enough of him in the in the pre merge, we didn't get a lot of character moments, which I feel like Rick could have a lot of so excited to see him. I'm back, obviously, I would have loved to see Aubrey bag re would have been a lot of fun when he would've been a lot of fun. Chris is there too. Did you think that Chris had a shot and it looked like he got his knots done? He was right there. No. Because if we're, you know playing the well like has Joey we really had a story at the season. Like, not really neither is Chris. No, Chris got held up that he had to untie thirty nuts that were given to him by Keith. But he was able to make short work of those not taily. I know has his all three he can get you on this. Whoa. Wonder why has its moments? Yes. And then yes after that, one of the female survivors said. Haley, which female survivor said that. Julia. Julia final answer. Yeah. Aurora Aurora Rohrer called Chris wonder boy wonder boy has his balls because she didn't know what Chris his name was. Yes, I think she probably knew she probably knew wonder, boys. Real name also Keith needed to assign his disadvantage to somebody. And Jeff asked him who are you going to give that this advantage to who did you decide to give those knots too? I'm going to find this terrific Hawaii over you. How did Chris get the nickname, Mr. Goliath? Have you seen those photos, Florida? Fresno has this three he can get you on this. They were free. That's for sure. Mr goliath. I am. Oh boy. Oh, Chris a fun and exciting time you're having here. We play you. Another question about Chris. This comes to us from one of our listeners this is from Kathy from Canada. Hi, Robyn Haley, this is Cassie from kin. I just wanted to know what you think the percentage chances that we see Chris Underwood on a future season of bachelor in paradise. Thanks love the show. Okay. Wonder what is right would would crispy good for bachelor imperative does he bachelor in paradise material? Yes. He is amazing bachelor material get him on the bachelor make him the bachelor the next season bring him on background paradise. When relationship inevitably fails perfect or the bachelor one why he's hot. Yeah. That's the only criteria. He's kind of planned. Right. So you can. Put any sort of like personality on him that you want really. And he hasn't had any racist or homophobic tweets coming out that I know of which is not always the case for back testi-. So with the bachelor in paradise analogy that I've seen people compare like is the edge of extinction. The bachelor in paradise to what's happening on the main house of the bachelor on survivor proper. I would say not because people actively want to go to bachelor in paradise. I don't think people really want to go to edge of extinction that bad. It's actually I'm paradise is for the people who didn't make a super far and their season. But they still want fab fit fun box sponsor, shed, sitter, Instagram. So they go there, right? I don't really feel like on edge of extinction. You're going to get fit tummy sponsorship or anything like that. What would you think of the edges of extinction as some sort of like survivor off season programming, Allah, a bachelor imperative like the person who survived the edge of extinction? They will cast the they'll stay in Fiji. And they'll be on the next season of survivor. Kind of like on repulse drag raise like Vanessa vandy Matteo got kicked off the first person last season. And now she's back on this season. Sure. You know, what I'm talking definitely for. Sure. I want like a side show of edge of extinction like top chefs gosh, pop chef has last chance kitchen. So I feel like we can have a nice little web series of how do you say it so many times extinction? I mostly say extinction island or the edge. Yoi? Can I call the? Yoi? He'll you off on the edge. We're saying I'm saying because obviously can't say extinction. Okay. Let's see that edge. All right. Yeah. Give me the show. All right. Then let me give you another question about the people on the edge. Here is one from Heather g Iran. This is Heather Jeep from Tempe. As e I was hoping you could clarify the rules of the jury this season. So no matter what are we going to end up with a thirteen person jury, even if someone raises the mast or multiple people raise the mast. So if Keith and Wendy had just stuck it out an extra day or two and extinction. Ireland would we have had pre single cast member either be in the finals or on the jury dude of crazy. This room. So I would say yes, I think everybody would be on the jury. Yeah. I know a lot of people coming into the season and were mad and or upset and or confused as to like how is the jury going to work. So the people of extinction never gonna go to tribal council and see what's going on. So I love that. They solve that problem with everyone. Who was there? It gets to go on to be on the jury. I love it. I love it. It's so great, and yeah, sure people are going to come to me and be like, well, you know, remember playing with anyone else in the game. I don't care a truly do not care. We get ream jury shots be happy about that. Should be great with everyone being on the jury. And if you if you leave if your, you know, your come year, the fifth person left you put up the white flag will then you're on the jury. That is the crazy part where you could go like thirty two days in the game. And then you get voted out. And then because you don't want to stay on the extinction island. Then you're off the jury. Yeah. It means is Rian going to get more money or she's still going to get like, I like, I personnel money. I will say that for ream that this was another tough blow in a season of tough blows for ream that the two lockdown jury votes. She had just quit the game this week. That is pretty lame. That is pretty lame that if anything I've really got to the final three village. All right. Well, she's got Keith. She's got big, Wendy and those two Philp sailed away with reams only to jury votes. Just so amazing. Like, this is hilarious. Like, it's great comedy. I love comedy. Me too. And this is it's just really really funny to me. And I just love that. 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Yeah. I wanted to be there, please. All right. Here's a question that we got for you. Let's go to our listeners out in Saint Louis question for hill. Install who robinhood since the mercenaries was not featured in tonight's episode. We're going to focus on food today. Wednesday March twenty-seven Saint Louis, Missouri has come under national scrutiny for slicing bagels into thin strips called bread. Slicing people are tweeting that they're outraged. It's seventy and at Saint Louis is cancelled we lose residents of biased as a culinary expert. Do you think you could weigh in on the pros? And cons of having to bagel haves versus dinner slices of bagel would Paul Hollywood in Mary berry, say things. Okay. Haley as one of the co hosts of the top chef RA hap- up chefs roundtable, what do you make of all of this bagel? Slicing that's happening. So I- in answer to this question. And I just want to say I love the Saint Louis mine she's club so much, and they know that and I love them. I'm so glad they called in. I want to read to you a question. Akiva, Winokur sent us. Yes. So he says here's my question. Healy's the most famous bagel hater on the internet would slicing bagels, make her more or less likely to enjoy them. Now, why are you a bagel hater? So I I would say that. I don't like bagels is my hottest food take. And I'm pretty open to trying pretty much any food food. A lot of being that made that pretty clear over the last couple of years, but bagels have just never been my thing. I find them too heavy. I don't find that. They. Comes at a west coast. Don't have enough. Okay. Well, we'll maybe I'll try that. But I find that. They don't always like toast evenly. I'm not like super toast to begin with like rather? Just eat plain bread. The texture of bagels. Just like isn't really my jam it just not for me. Okay. So I would say that. Yes. If somebody were to slice bagels, and I can just have a tiny slice of a bagel. I would enjoy it much more. So it sounds like slicing bagels is perfect for people who don't like bagels. Yeah. So it just makes it until a tiny little bread pieces. And so when people were outraged about this on the internet. I was like, oh, this seems perfect for me. Some I saw some like you talk about like, oh, well, these are the same people who like cut up donuts in an office in like just take one little piece. That's amazing because then you get a little piece of a bunch of different donuts. You get like one full Dona of every Donut that would be fine for you. That'd be great for me. 'cause I always want to try like a little bit of everything, you know. Because I always get food remorse where I get my thing. I see someone else's thing. And I want to try their thing is as well as my thing. So I love going to restaurant and getting like three apps in one main to share with whoever I'm with or by myself. Okay. All right. So you say cut those bagels right up cut the Bengals. Okay. Okay. Sure, this has cut the bagels on it. Please. So okay, we'll work on that. Jon Jonny fairplay is going to work on that one kick. Cool. Yes, we need to get a puja on to get the response. What is the bagel industry in Canada thinking? Yeah, I bet Montreal would not be happy with that. Okay. All right. Let me give you another question from our listeners, and this is one for you Haley, and this is from Trent, really, rob. So this season Rick Devon's got the honor of being called by his last name. Jeff. So my question for Haley is would you rather be called Haley? Or would you rather be called strong? And how do you think your game would play out differently? If you were called strong. Okay. Haley Canadians can play survivor now. So if you were to go out on survivor, would you want the last name treatment? I don't think so I I think I'm more of like a first name last name person. So like Kelly gets a lot of Kelly went words like I think I would get a lotta Haley Strong's just 'cause it flows while I think that a three syllable name is really good for her first name last name person. But I wouldn't want to go by strong because I feel like a lot of times people don't know what you're saying. When you say strong, it could sound like something else, or you know, that's the case with Haley to you know, how many times I've said, yeah. My name's Halen people. Like Kaley bailing Kelly, Shelley Shelly. Yeah. Come chili before too. So I think I'd rather just go by Haley just in general, especially. Yeah. Because my last name is strong. So people would automatically assume I am strong, which is just truly not the case whatsoever. We'll are you worried about that on survivor where if you end up going by the last name strong or Haley, strong, then people are going to say like, oh, well, she's a she's Haley strong that she's a strong competitor. We got her out. I mean, I guess, but then they'd see me and be like, oh like she hasn't looked like she's lifted await since like ninety eight. Shoot a survivor go on with a fake last name. I Haley Hoban kogo boom for right or. You know, some some sort of last name that really inspires like a lack of confidence. Where people think that you are just like, hi, my name is rob moron. Hey, I'm Haley depression. Nice to meet you, right? And then people wouldn't would not consider you with threat because maybe your last name, you would get that sort of like. Thrown around where people could think less of you. Yeah. I think people would see me and automatically be like she is not a threat. You know, what we should vote because she's so bad at this. I don't think anyone's ever going to have to worry about me being too. Good of a competitor. Haley, do you have any other takes on these first time players from this season. We haven't we barely touched on them. I always get the short end of the stick. Let me pull up their faces. And I'll go one by one. Yes, tony. I'm obsessed with her. I love her didn't think I would like her. But she is amazing. I'm so excited that she is thinking hard playing hard. I like her social game. It seems like no one's looking to her to vote out. Everyone seems to be asking her opinion in want them on one her on their side. I'd love her a Julia. We haven't seen a lot from her would really like to see more Ron Clark. He's unsettling to me. I'd say why I don't know you just like if that vibe of like the puppet master, oh, I'm in control of next week. Oh, we amazing. A love combo. I don't know think run would be a good person have on your side. But when probably annoy the f out of Haley, what do you think of Ron's eyebrow? What about it? He's got like a Dirac thing going on where the Ron's eyebrow is like the nineteenth castaway. Interesting. Do that's for sure. Ream. We haven't seen more gifts of Ron's eyebrow raises a accountable, and maybe it's because like no one knows what search when they go and survivor 'cause we can't remember his name. Me and your duchess. You you in my mom. I think that Ron has been really fun on this show. I think that he is like always bringing it every time. But he's in confessional. I think that he is going to be great to watch a tribal council. So I very much in here for the Ron Clark story fair fair reasonable reim- Imus asked obviously who isn't were dog. Talking about war dog. He's not for me. I would say not my person. Dogs. I do. But the thing about dogs is I like them. But I don't want them in my home. Same with war. You would not invite him over, you know, probably would have guilt. But like, I just don't he would probably like come in and start rearranging things. Even though like I didn't ask him to. So can coach over there? Let me help you move those thing over here going to over over here. I've been thinking about all these ideas for your apartment and go to move this chair. Be trust me. Trust me. I got to do any work to do it. Right. Like, I would just have to do it. Oh, I don't want to wast