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So we just invited all of them. If you have a favorite they'll be here. And if there's one you hate, well, wait a minute. We'll swap them out for somebody else. It's a party with all our friends, and that includes you so give us a call the numbers one triple eight, wait, wait that's one eight eight eight nine two four eight nine two four now. Let's welcome. Our first listener contestant high. You are on wait. Wait, don't tell me. Hey, this is Dorothy New York City New York City, and what do you do there actor and a check tutor for kids. He chess tutor for kids in Gilead, more, interesting of the two, isn't it? Do you? Do you chest who to support your acting? Yeah. Lutely. Yeah. Yeah. And what do you do to support your Jesse tutoring? Well, welcome to the show. Jasmine, you're going to be playing who's Bill this time joining us for the game our panelists ROY blunt junior, Peter gross, and Paula Poundstone. Twenty years. I'm pretty sure you knew how this works. Bill Curtis is going to recreate for you three quotations from this week's news if you can correctly identify, explain just two of them, you will win our prize, the voice of your choice from our show and you'll hear all of them on your voicemail. You ready to play jazzman? Your first, quote is from former White House communications director, Anthony Scaramucci, he's an intentional lighter. It's very different than just being a liar. Liar. That was Mr. Scaramucci trying to defend yes. Defend whom? Hm? President trump. Amazing wild guess. You have to give Donald Trump credit. He is to lying. What Charles Lindbergh was to flying. Nobody else would dare go that far. According to the people whose job it is to keep track of the president's lies their life is a living hell, and they pray for the sweet release of death. Also, the president is lying far more in the run-up to the midterms than he ever has before. For example, just in the last week. He claimed congress was doing a ten percent tax cut before the election when they are not even in session. He said the Saudi arms deal so excited about we'll create one million jobs and that his children would love him. Even if he was not paying them. Picky picky picky. Go out, and we'll give speech and be like, I am Ronald Reagan. Please vote for me. And maybe the best Trump lie yet in reaction to the New York Times saying that he was sharing classified information on unsecured iphones. Trump tweeted that was a lie from an iphone. It's like who you're gonna believe me or me. I'll be honest. I've been listening to his call really. What's he been saying Paula, God, the Chinese must be so bored? I also they were like a Russian and Chinese spies are listening in. And I thought I literally felt like, oh, he's probably just calling Russian spies like listen. Easy to listen to a phone call that you're on the other end, if us just say, whatever comes to mind, it doesn't matter. Whether nobody believes it's truth. You don't have to deny its Arkansas quickly. My plausible deniability song lease. So you've been cheating on your diet. Or you went out and started a riot. All you have to do is just deny deny ability. You don't have to have. No humility if you've got deny ability and remember, you didn't hear it from the. Jasmine, jasmine, your next, quote is from a comment or a New York Times dot com. If I was going to have my life ruin I would prefer it to be done by one point six billion dollars. Thank you. That was somebody hoping in vain they would win. What lottery? Yes. The mega millions lottery that happened this week. Somebody in South Carolina bought a lottery ticket and one one point six billion dollars. And all we can say is please please do not let it be Lindsey Graham. It's the largest lottery prize everyone by single person. And if that person is listening have I ever told you you look fantastic. That person would be listening to the radio person is flown off in his or her private plane there at a beach now where you don't get the radio. Really? That is a very quick purchase was about to say. I believe they won it on Tuesday night. Yes. Well, Tuesday, win Wednesday private plane Thursday beach. What they had done is they already they had a good feeling. So they had already gone to the airplane store. I have it right now on Tuesday. I should have over billion. Watering works. How how do he how does the pot built up and how do they decide like when they go? No, we're picking it now. Well, it's a lottery the more people buy tickets the bigger the pod comes in. If nobody wins it on a given week. They just roll over all the money. So the pot gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger pick each week. Oh, the big twice a week. Nobody wants nobody wants. Like a big pile of money is like one dollars goes in then another dollar does. And then that happens to one point six. Did you guys buy tickets? I did my son forced me to buy several tickets because he thought it was like very possible. Yeah. Sure. I bought a ticket. And then I went straight to an airplane store, and I said. Now, you're stuck with an airport. Yeah. I did that they were like we don't have any left. The guy came. Jasmine here is your last quote. And it's about somebody who got let go by NBC this week. Who could have seen this coming? Except for anyone to do anything about her career. That was the New York Times James Ponta waza asking the tough question after NBC announced it was letting go of whom nagging Megan Kelly. Yes. It was just last year that Megan Kelly left Fox News where she was known as a fierce interviewer with a strong personality who was only occasionally racist. And she joined NBC were they hope that maybe she would dial it down to never racist. But no this week she casually commented that she didn't see anything wrong with white people putting on black face for Halloween because they're trying to be accurate. And as we all know accuracy is the most important aspect of your Halloween costume. No sexy, nurses, without at least a bachelor of science in nursing. Masters in sexiness. I also like she definitely knew what she was saying because she said it, and then couched it with like or why people wearing white face problem that like on ugly spoken about it. So for years. Yeah. She's being removed from the air, but due to her contracts, you'll still be paid sixty nine million dollars. So now, there are two ways to do nothing and get rich win mega millions or go in NBC and give a shout out to minstrel, see. Wow. That sounds like get sixty nine million. How doing for the last seventeen years? I mean, you have to feel a little bad for her because she of course, alienated conservatives when by leaving Fox News and bad terms of the president. And of course, she's incense liberals. What do you do if you're a broadcaster, and nobody wants to hear from you, Megan Kelly. Congratulations on your new podcast. Just Breitbart have a morning show. The morning zoo with eight dollars. Bill jasmine do in our quiz three though. She did very well. Congratulations desma. Thank you so much. The voice of anyone, you know. Thanks for Brian. Right now, it's time for some questions about the week's news, and the panel we're playing with now is MAs job. Brawny Roxanne Roberts and Tom bodak. Question for you, Tom. If everything goes, according to plan in twenty twenty two you'll be able to book a luxury cruise on what new ship. God I was going to say like the Disneyland. But I think that's already at sea. Right. Yeah. That ship has sailed. I just thought of that too. Twenty years of practice thirteen in my bring me out of new panelist, right? It's gotta be something special. I need so special experienced I need to hit its well. This this ship will take you near far wherever you are. Oh my God. Titanic. Although technically, it's the Titanic to. If you've always wanted to prove there really was enough room for Jack on that door. Shipping company. Blue star line is planning to take passengers on the newly built Titanic to in. It will recreate the originals journey from Southampton to the bottom of the ocean. City will go to New York City. And then what's next the Hindenburg slide? The entrepreneur who wants to do this got off to a really good start. When he hired a project manager for the ships, building person maimed, and I swear this is true. Clive men sink. No. And what's amazing because this guy's planning it. So you know, what Clive men sink is doing right now as we speak. He is a ranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Would you would you get on that? We would you think? The odds are down wouldn't that sucked? Though. If you're on that. And then it starts thinking you're like come on. There's an adequate lifeboats and they go where sorry totally accurate recreation. Coming up our panelists blind you with science. At our bluff, the listener game called one triple eight, wait wait to play. We'll be back in a minute with more. Wait, wait, don't tell me from NPR. Support for this podcast. And the following message comes from Netflix bringing you a new weekly series Patriot Act with Hossan Minna in this topical weekly show. The comedian daily show alum dives deep and covers everything from politics to pump culture with the fresh point of view each episode uses comedy to cut through the noise taking an in-depth look into issues and backed by research at him to your watch list, Patriot Act with Hassan Manashe, premiers October twenty eighth every Sunday only on Netflix. Hi, it's Terry gross. The host a fresh air. I just interviewed Melissa McCarthy. This is what happens when you corner. A rat. You corner me I will shoot through you you. Thank goodness. She's not that way in person you can find our interview in the fresh air feed. From NPR WBZ, Chicago. This is wait. Wait, don't tell me the PR news quiz. I'm Bill Curtis. Here. Again, is your host at the Chicago theatre in Chicago. Right now, it's time for our bluef- listener game. We'll we'll be playing with our next panel is Amy Dickinson, faith, Sailly and male rock. Wait the player game in the air. Hi, you're wait. Wait, don't tell me. Hey, Peter Taylor. Hey, how are things in Madison Taylor? Our great. What do you do there in Madison picking up some doctoral research? Pilot actually, really flying. Or are you like smuggling drugs over the border? What are you doing where I can't tell you that? But what I can't unlike some basis airline carriers. We time. Airplane burn airplane? Welcome to the show Taylor. You're going to play the game. You must try to tell truth from fiction Bill. What is Taylor's topic way to go on Stein? Every now, and then there is a terrible scandal in the world of science. Our panelists are going to tell you about one of those scandals that popped up this week pick the one who's telling the truth and you'll win the voice of the weight waiter of your choice on your voicemail. You're ready to play. All right. All right Taylor. Let's hear first from faith Sailly, Dr Charlotte climber and her husband, Dr Peter Curren have for decades been known as the sexiest couple of care cytology. They've always weren't lab. Coats, say his and hers, and because their primary focus is on rectal parasites. They love to brag that the more crap they go through together the stronger their marriage. But when Charlotte shockingly ran off with a hot young research assistant named Chad teeter wanted revenge and his revenge has rocked the world of micro biology with a macro court case, you see when the cuckolded Peter recently discovered. Two new parasites he decided to name them in honor of his wife's lover the first is a tape worm called Sista here. Suty Daba, Chad, which of course is Latin for hairy us. Chad. This second is a whip worm that causes rectal prolapse, but only live spur thirty seconds heater named this species. Trike curious premature is- Advani, Chad, which means early arrival, Chad. Which is why Chad suit Peter for defamation in Baltimore County, Circuit Court in order for the organisms name to be legally considered liable. The habitual prematurity of the actual CHAD'S arrival had to be explicitly argued in front of a judge. Four of CHAD'S former girlfriends testified to the fact that his shall we say personal biological studies often ran out of funding before they could reach a satisfying conclusion. The judge dismissed the lawsuit as frivolous. But a great reminder of the benefits of studying Latin. Lawsuit in with two new species parasite named for vengeance. By spurned lover, your next story of a science screw up comes from Amy Dickinson. Scientists in England have their British knickers in a twist over recent articles published by the British journal of sports medicine that they say show a distinct and slimy pro butter bias these articles and opinion pieces encourage urge people to stop eating their nutritious bowls of fresh kale and cabbage. Or the journal suggests if you must your salad at the very least you should top it off with the stick of creamy full fat butter. No, according to their studies. Fatty fat is good for you. The medical journal is edited by pro butter cardiologists named Dr. Theme Mel Horta and his stance on fat is so controversial that one hundred and sixty eight British scientists have now published an open letter attacking these studies accusing them of being nothing more than butter baked baloney. Doc Damola Horta declined to respond to the criticism directly. But he did quote, George Bernard Shaw, I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. He said you get dirty and besides the pig likes. It the doctor might have added. You could also put your that pig render its fat into lard and spread it onto your morning cupcake. Bias the accusation at a British nutrition journal and your last year of trouble in the lab comes from MO Rocca if you're going to play with fire use your own fire. That's the message from the national institutes of health to research. Ted Firth by day Firth works as a chemist with top of the line Bunsen burners in an NIH laboratory. But by night Firth is an aspiring flamboyant concert pianist, the problem is I can't get a Ford candelabra day rigeur for flamboyant concert, piano. And so he's been using NIH Bunsen burners grouping three of them together for his candelabra, hence, his stage name Labra cheap. Funston verners have long been used for variety of purposes. Young Robert Oppenheimer's family famously connected. Nine of them for a make shift minora during one Hannukah. Great depression. The NIH burners are government property not to be used for anything other than whatever it is. You used on sin burners four Firth has been suspended without pay. Labra Chee has started a gofundme page for real candelabra. All right. Something scandalous happened. In science circles this week was it from faith salia man sued for naming to ugly parasites after his ex wife and her lover from Amy Dickinson. Accusations of pro butter bias at a prestigious produce science journal or from more Raka Munson burners being misused by the concert pianist level. Which these is the real story of scientific scandal. Think the answer is the answer is from Amy the story. British journal with butter Taylor. It's our twentieth. Anniversary. Also, Amy's MO. All right. Well, we actually spoke believe it or not to one of the scientists involved with this real controversy. We pay. As much as you want. That was Dr Nicole guests from King's College London. One of the scientists to accused the journal of having a pro butter bias, congratulations Taylor. You got it, right. The point just to the truth. You wanna try the voice of your choice from anyone on our show for your voicemail. Thank you so much playing with us today. Thank you, take your daily. And now the game which for twenty years has confused hundreds of guests by asking them about things. They don't know anything about it's called not my job twenty years ago. NPR took a big risk by launching our show. They were known for their serious journalism. What would we do to their reputation? I mean Walter Cronkite had a great run, but he never had to say. And that's the way it is. And now a man who stuff thirty five sausages down. So we thought we'd bring on two of those legends of journalism and ask how they handled it Robert Siegel and Nina totenberg, welcome back to Waco. Thank you. So welcome back. You both been on our show before Robert you have you retired from after a long career. Retired in January. And and how you doing? I'm doing whatever I wanna do. And it's a lot of fun will how are you spending your time? I listened to radio I do aniversary twentieth. Anniversaries thirtieth anniversary, weddings. For you need right now that you're listening to at home you like to write in and correct people's grammar. I know I just talked to the radio all those people were shouting at radios when I was inside the radio one of them. Nina, you're still at it. And you you still enjoying yourself after this this many years of doing most of the time. Yes. When I got a great story. Yes. Yeah. About the our eighteen that I'm on the air. And there have been a lot of those lately. It gets a little old. Yeah. Well, I do know the one thing you've been covering the supreme court for many years, but the party scene there is about to get lit. It's been. I do want to ask you so twenty years ago. NPR started this show this humor show, and you guys were I don't know the backbone of NPR's series reputation. What did you think of it? Just great. I loved it. And I love to be invited. And that we have all these great people here. And you know, if the listening public knows this, but everybody NPR most especially Nina in Robert, but not only them actually have tremendous senses of humor and kind of. I know this you wish you could indulge it more on the air. So we wanted to ask you now to go back to some stories and see does anything you wish you'd been able to say how many people have a job to keep us from saying what we might seem. That's profession. I want you once right. I was hosting all things considered. And I somebody handed me live on the air. What I was supposed to stay the intro to Robert Crowe which piece and their hands had moved on the typewriter. And so that the it was chip rish. The only thing wrong with the copy is recall. Gibberish mistake. I looked at it. And I had not at that point down a lot of hosting and I looked in the booth, and I said, I can't read this and pointed the booth to play the piece, right? He was thin. The news director vice president for news, or whatever bloody titled they gave you in those days, and he called me to his office. Yes. And he could barely conduct my reprimand because he was laughing so hard. And I I do well, what should I have done? And he said, you could have said we're having technical. I have ever since use that few have hear me say we're having technical difficulties. That means I don't know what the freakin hell is going. You too. You too are so famous to too many people, but very specific group of people, and you're also you're also not recognizable. Like you. We have to close her eyes to be like, oh, they're those famous people, right? What what is the funniest or most memorable fan encounter? You've had. I remember. There was a period when the typical Washington cabdriver had a graduate degree from university somewhere in east Africa horn-of-africa and drove around all day, and they all listen to NPR on stop and Mr. head in the course of couple of months three different cab drivers with them my head the following conversation. Just to call castle. No, no, I'm on the Scott Simon. I'm Robert Siegel. Your your coverage. Avera tree is not very good. Nina, totenberg rear delighted to have you here. But you know, the drill we have asked you here to play a game. We're calling Robert Siegel. Actual seagull. They know totenberg meet actual tote bag. You too have been subject to terrible puns about your names for your entire career. So why not make a game out of the? Two three questions correctly. You win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of their choice on their voice mail Bill who are Nina and Robert playing Gail Nicholson of Westland. Michigan. All right seagulls seem like a nuisance, but some groups over the years of made use of them how fishermen in Nicaragua tied them to their boats like flying sled dogs, the Inuit. People used to stuff at dead seagull in a bottle of water and let it for men to making seagull wine or see Polynesians used to train them to race with each other. And they did it by making them. Chase a fake herring tied to a kite. Harry. Not only Polynesians people across the street from my elementary school. I'll go with that one. We're going for herring. You're going. It really was he go one. Segel line was terrible. But apparently. Egos race around. No, no, okay. Here's your next question. Other attempts to make use of seagulls have failed though such as which of these aid World War One the British navy. Tried to teach goals to poop on submarine periscopes blinding the crew. Be Amazon tried to train seagulls to deliver light packages to ships at sea. Or C buddy movie starring seagull and Steven Seagal stop shooting. When Stephen sexually harassed. Well. Hey. They think it's the poop. Always. Okay. All right. The food the person that's the right? Trainees seagull by coating fake periscope with food and the idea is the seals and then see one swarm at poop about it in that would end the German threat it worked with my windshield. Your last question if you get it you win is, of course, now about tote bag good. You still have to try to answer. Everybody loves tote bags, of course. Well, people did not like a certain tote bag that was put out by Georgia company last year. Why it was a quote security tote made of lead with a lock on it. So it weighed forty three pounds. Be it was the talking tote program to say amusing things when you put stuff in it like a rubella again. See sank to an error. It praised Hitler on the side. It's the third one. It's the Hitler one. It is in fact. Tote bag was supposed to say, my favorite color is glitter spelled in glitter, but do. Poor choice of a cursive font. The word glitter. Really looked like the word Hitler. It seemed to say my favorite color is. Glitter. Robert Amina donor. Anita NPR legends. Robert is now walking into people's home listening to them. Polishing her breath cabinet impression, Robert Anina. Thank you. In just a minute. Wedding bells ringing in our listener Limerick challenge. Call one triple eight wait wait to join us on the air. 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In just a minute Bill thinks back in those twenty years and all the good rhymes. We've had together. It's our listener Limerick geolog- game. If he liked to play give us a call triple eight, wait, wait that's one eight eight eight nine two four eight nine two four. Now, it's time for some more questions from this week's news and the panel playing with right now is Adam Burke, Nagin far Saad and Adam Felber colo-. Warm up the jump right in. We've never been on a panel together. Eater. These. I've never. Differentiate atom before fresh panel smell. Yes. Adam Burke, the success of the game poke among goes inspired a number of knockoff versions where players can go around trying to catch things other than poke Amman this week, what group released their version of a virtual reality hunting game. So things you would go out and hunt. Will you know, put him on kgo works phone, you see monsters, captain them. Yeah. Isn't that just called LSD? By the way, back in all backstage. It's mad if you've never never been on NPR part of people using library cards to cut up lines of Claritin. So wet cardigan competition. It's man. Yeah. No ideal. Eloquently, popey mongo. Oh, is it to find saints? Is that the Catholic church? No. Well, yes. The the big Catholic church the Vatican. They're they're playing Pokemon go their own version. It's just like Pokemon go without all the false idols. The. The Vatican has tried to use video games for education and tourism before like disastrous version of tetris, which every shape was across. Hard to play. Walk around the Vatican. And it's like if you turn on your phone and look through it. You can see like a bleeding dying Saint or so. No. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Walk around, and they're like, you can see holy figures from church history in the in the saints and bear blessings around from the pope, you can check out a little ball. Yeah. No. The exactly go to heaven. If you win. Like, what are you get? You got a cat to mall. Is available of course on prey station. Xbox three sixteen. The geen after a number of complaints Kleenex is announced it will stop marketing their extra large tissues as tissues for whom. Oh like like people who do cocaine, and they have a lot of like run off. That's reasonable bring that bell. Scarface. Too far perceived that this was sexist market large size. Tissues in what way to women? Try the other. We got to their game. They're called they were called man size. Tissues, which was a problem. You cry? Other designations of tissue, mainly like extra absorbent, widow strength tissue. Real thick. No there were called man-sized tissues, and they'd really wants for really insecure man magnum tissues. Like for real masculine banned. For proud boys is just an empty bucks. Your face. You. Picture of your dad looking at you disapprove. Great. Coming up. It's lightning fill in the blank with a special all star addition. But I it's the game where you have to listen for the rhyme, and we'll be playing right now with Tara Clancy. Luke, Burbank, and Brian Babylon. If you'd like to play on air caller, leave a message at one triple eight wait that's one eight eight eight nine two four eight nine two four high. You are on. Wait, don't tell me. This is Kimberly Chicago, Chicago. Chicago. Do you wanna come on down? We'll wait. A few blocks away. From the merchandise mart in my office. You're only what do you do you do here? Traded to nonprofit organization. That's good. Great. It's very good to have. You kimberly. Bill Curtis is going to read you three news related limericks for the last word or phrase missing from each if you can fill in that last word or phrase correctly to the lyrics. You will be a winner. You ready to play? Here's a first Limerick since I can't get my gut to get flatter. I'm feeding my bridesmaids raw batter. Oh, make no mistake. That's no diet, shake, I need all those girls to look. Essay the publication women. Details of brides sinister, but we are told very real plot to look amazing and be the center of attention on her big day plan. Make sure the bridesmaids looked terrible. I she selected neon yellow bridesmaid dresses that made them quote washed out in slightly ill. But she also regularly fed them breakfast shakes that she would spike with a protein powder for people to want to bulk up. She's being shakes. Bad. We read the story and presumably it was presented as true. I did this. And you know, they forgiving me they lost the way she said, but we were could not believe that a even the worst bridezilla would actually sabotage bridesmaids. Tara you had a wedding one point. Did you have bridesmaids at this wedding? I did not have any bridesmaids at the wedding. But if I did I just wanna made them with suits. You know, one of them to look like me you Butch out for. More empowering than being like year. I'm gonna like, you know, fat. And yup. Here is your next Limerick. Some this when my feelings are hurt by man's laundry. I'll briefly divert for feel relieved what I'm sniffing his sleeves. I start smelling his whole dirty. Sure. Researchers Stockholm university released a new study showing that women distress by smelling their partner's dirty shirts to either it was it was the result of an experiment, which thirty four women repeatedly given electric shocks to stress them out. And then given stuff to smell science. Gotta love straight women. They're like I need to be de-stress. I don't want the man himself. Here is your last Limor you humans with snorkels and the small fins quit bugging us. Go take up golfing when you're lurking above we don't want to make love you have ruined the sex lives of. According to a new study dolphins at spend time around humans have less interest in mating. The researchers examined spinner dolphins swim in Hawaii near terrorists and noted there declining sex lives, so not only are we ruining the ocean with our garbage. We're also blowhole blocking the dolphins. Now the question is it because she was like she has seen a human Speedo, and she's lake that is what I now want to have. Or is it because she saw German tourists in the Speedo, and she's like I can never have sex with anything. Yeah. Pretty much again for the rest of my line. We're just we're just not good for dolphins in the mood. Kimberly do in our quiz. What a champion. She nailed. It got him. All right. Imagine you've won our game is voice of anyone who. Support for this podcast. 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Combining all. Their weaknesses into three powerful teams. We've selected team captains congratulations to the panelists with the most ever losses in the history of this show that would be Brian Babylon, Astro brawny, and Paula Poundstone. All right. I Brian your team. What is your team name, Brian? We are the aluminum. All right here we go fill in the blank Brian on Thursday. The Pentagon announced it was sending eight hundred agents to the border response to the blank the horde of immigrants that was walking to our nation. Like zombies. Rock San on Monday. A Russian man was charged with conspiring to interfere with blank the elections. Right. Mo after being released from prison in Kansas, man. Celebrated his freedom by blanking in the parking lot after sorry sorry after a man was released from the parking lot, and Kansas he celebrated his freedom. He was released from prison. He was released from prison. He was released from prison. 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Support for this American life comes from squarespace, providing designer crafted templates mobile friendly and commerce ready for a free trial of your new website. Visit squarespace dot com slash American and enter American think it dream it make it with squarespace. Hamad Salim's thirty three his parents wanted to call his cousins on the phone. He has a more. No, he doesn't like to have to say I'm with him. He's got a really good excuse. I grew up never knowing them for for me. I need to to spend time with them to us to start to be attached to them. Now. I understand they're they're like strangers to you. Yes. Exactly. He never got to know any of those relatives because Morocco though to wall seventeen hundred miles long across the desert. It's actually several walls of piled up sand plus ditches in between the walls, plus barbed wire. Plus reportedly seven million landmines, plus one hundred twenty thousand soldiers separating the rest of his family who were in Western Sahara. The place where Mohammed Salam was born and still lives today. A massive refugee settlement with an estimated one hundred sixty five thousand people in it on the other side of the wall. So we have all these cousins from eight aunts and uncles, and I never met them. There is nothing common. We haven't heard anything. I knew that names. I knew why have a relative. But that must be so frustrating for your parents. All the time. They tried to get me to call them and talk to them. But what should we talk about? And what do we have in common that we can't talk about if we like finish and this greeting, and that's I I like I feel guilty about the ten bad about it. But it was just you know, I don't know what to do now that his parents get this. They are mad par. Of the plane the lung to the to the fact that we documentation and the symbol separation. And I shouldn't be totally like. Tikka that responsibility for everything. You're saying dumpling, there's an entire international situation here. I am not this. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't use to leave away from them. If anti have the outlaw to like to be with them and get to know them at the wall between the refugee camp where he's live this life and the area where his family's from says, they belong that walls. The central fact of his life the rock on which everything else is built while weren't there instead of his current life spends his days doing politics tried to draw the world's attention to the situation as people are in. I I sure would have nothing to do with politics. And I wish I had the option and the choice to care about silly things that that stuff to people. I love swimming. And I have done it just like the four times once who knows child. And there's no place to swim in the refugee camp. No, no, no. No. No. No, no. That isn't is seventeen hundred mile wall between him and the ocean. And somebody bills wall, we readjust their lives around that wall. So just tell us what you're doing here. Just just losing. Get told tomorrow morning. What's his? Stale with big spikes in the talk in Belfast Northern Ireland. He's been twenty years since peace was declared between Protestants and Catholics. But there still these tall walls, some of them fifty feet high that separate through neighborhoods, but if you gates at allow traffic and pedestrians through six thirty at night, the guard is closing the Northumberland gave for the evening it'll reopen. It's six thirty in the morning producer Connor Garrett talked to him people through you can see people are rushing before before the gas. I actually timing. I could actually tell them even what time they're going gonna come through. Yeah. People so used to having the walls and so nervous about the violence might break out. If they were torn down the two decades after the conflict officially ended when there was a modest proposal, not to tear the walls down, but to simply replace the sheet of steel that was the gate of the workman avenue crossing with a gate that is still bars that you can see through to the other side that took eighteen months to convince local residents of in macguffin is one of the organizers push for that change. It was a very long and drawn protests because you have to take into kind people's fears the vast majority at the ask which occurred during the conflict occurred where they structures were built. And the point I make is that primarily for some of our elderly residents who live Lebanese neighborhoods at the F of a family member that may have happened. I don't know thirty or forty years ago. It's as what happened thirty days ago. So AMI conversation or any suggestion of of, you know, a removal of that structure it actually to this day trauma tasers as families. I think you have to realize and people's main sets if you have lived in the same neighborhood for forty years and every single day when you wake up the first thing you see when you're draw your blames is this structure at the bottom of your your garden or your your your alleyway. You know, if you economic one morning, and that structure is gone. Hi, hi. Would you fade once in a while is up? It seems hard to down and more going up. These days around the world, India's building a twenty five hundred mile barb wire fence on the border with Bangladesh Kenya's, built just few miles. What it hopes will be hundreds of miles of wall on smiley border is your head three hundred miles of walls between it self in the West Bank, and then added another two hundred forty five miles on the border with Egypt twenty thirteen. The main reason walls are growing up around the world right now, this is stop unwanted immigrants that the reason for the wall that was just finished between Turkey and Syria, which is. Nearly five hundred miles along is about terrorists Syrian refugees generalists my oath. Void talked me from kill us. We are at the border gate every Syrian who you speak to who has managed to cross the ball speaks about having been shot at. Either with rubber bullets or with real bullets and series having killed. Yes. Stopping immigrants. Of course is the reason for the wall that President Trump wants to build on the Mexican border when he shut down the government or look at all. All of the countries that have walls, and they work one hundred percent. A wall is a wall that was that his cabinet meeting this week. It's in the last year. He inspected prototypes. Different walls for the border. The round piece is she up here or you see more clearly back there the larger it is the better it is because it's very hard to get over the top. There's a like professional mountain climbers very credible climbers. They can't climb some of these worlds some of them. They can those are the wolves. We're not using. So the reason that Norway just build a wall that is a measly six hundred fifty feet long the very tippy top of Norway the Russian border. I talked to the mayor of the town on the Norwegian side of that border mayor Rafael sin of the town of Kirkenes. Can you see Russia from your house or not for my whole snow, but? Zero just talk to the liberals in our audience or a second. I know when you guys think of the Scandinavian governments they seem so competent and functional with their, you know, universal healthcare and their broad social safety nets. And I just wanna say perhaps it will be comforting to you to hear that this particular project was just as bumbling as anything we do here in the United States. They built the fence a full year after migrants had already stopped trying to cross that particular border. So there were no magazines to stop accidentally started construction too close to the Russian border, then tear it down and move back a foot and a half and they bought their friends right next to a fence that Russia already had at the very same border away more effective fence stretches one hundred twenty miles. Remember, the Norwegian fences only six hundred fifty feet long as the mayor pointed out refugees would be able to simply walk around offense. That is that short. So why build it because? Because. Something say that are building ball. Maybe was inspired by Mr. from the wolf says Mexican, I don't know. So it's it's it's just a symbol Idris no effects regarding protecting normally from refugees at all. So people are laughing. I still feel confused if there's already a fence on the Russian side. Why would there need to be a second fence? Yeah. Agree. You have to jobs the reason prime minister vote, then I I don't understand why they are been defense. It's it's. Very very hot very comic. Well, apparently, just as its own gravitational pull that warps the logic of the world around it once in a while is up into the fact on the landscape, it alters the human behavior on either side of it that point it's like we accommodate the wall and definitely not the other way around. We are the Ivy that grows on it. It is the movable object today on our program as our government fights ever whether or not to build a big beautiful wall. The parents Mexico is not going to pay for we have stories about people in walls all over the globe. We hear about kids who use a border wall is a tool in their family relationships people who devote themselves to conquering walls, and all that supposedly can only be seen from one side and not the other no kidding from WBZ Chicago to this American life. I'm Eric glass. Stay with us. Glenn just another kind of outdoor game. So we're looking at border walls and fences around the world when in particular stood out to us because like if there were ever a place where you think you can build a physical barrier between two places and have it work. This would be the place the fences around the Spanish cities of Malaysia and South Asia. Now, the interesting thing about these Spanish cities is they're actually in Africa right on the coast of Africa right there in the mainland right on the edge of the water. And what would otherwise be the country of Morocco there? These two little dots to cities that are officially part of Spain South to Emily or both very small south does about seven square miles Molina's listened five square miles, and if you can make it into either of these cities from the rest of Africa, you're on European soil try to claim a Silom find some other way to stay and live in Europe, by the Spanish government, with the assistance of the Moroccan government as a very impressive barrier around south to there are two layers of fencing. I'm twenty feet high with razor wire. On the top Ramle of there are four fences and trench basically a moat without water in it. It's two meters. Deep also infrared cameras, and of course guards and what has happened is. This is created a verse and pretty dangerous. Obstacle course. Because of course, people tried to storm the barrier and huge groups trying to get through it all at once any way they can. Producer David Casten. Bam talked to one man who thought he could make Debbie from Cameroon. And when I asked him to say is full name, just so I didn't mess it up. He gives us surprisingly long answer. Bingo, bingo on Billy top. I Salman Sombor boy era. I couldn't tell what was going on because we were doing the interview through an interpreter. But it turns out he was explaining how he would introduce himself as an African BankE LA gampel names of his grandparents and their parents. And there's so nice debate into dress. Ranier us unis on will lose those are the twenty three generations of my grandparents he says twenty three generations of names and yet despite all that history in September of two thousand thirteen dovey decided to leave Cameroon and try to make it to Europe. He was twenty five years old the V describes the whole thing almost as if you were a kid heading out on an adventure in some old novel. Unlike a lot of people trying to get from Africa Europe, he said, he wasn't persecuted back home. He wasn't starving. Ng? He wasn't fleeing violence. Here's just curious about the world and excited to see it. He wanted to live in a place with more opportunity. So he threw some stuff and little backpack. And he hit the road. He was well into his journey in Algiers when he first heard about the fences around, south and. The almost accessible I internet there. We had internet access. And we could see how people were trying to jump this fence and all that low Fignon kid to be getting my opinion was well, you know, I'm a pretty brave guy. And when I see something like that, I like challenges I thought I would do it in one try I'm gonna take it on with a lot of optimism because that's the type of person. I am going to give up our best. I usually do things the first time. I try them. I don't do them two or three times. So I thought this was going to be the case with this fence. I've watched some of these videos. There's some brutal ones people with their hands sliced open from the razor wire sometimes being hit by guards. But there are ones that if you are preparing try something like this might give you hope. This one starts at a tense moment. There bunch of men sitting on top of the last of the fences below them is Spanish soil, but also the Spanish police in theory. The guy should be able to drop down and apply for asylum there, lots of reports of Spanish border guards grabbing people unlocking gate defense and returning them to the other side. So the men on the fence wanna get down somehow avoid the guards in run into town. Suddenly one man drops down off the fence, then another it's like they've got some plan. And apparently, they do because the two of them link arms, then another guy joins them in another linking up. Like, it's a rugby scrub at this point, the police move it. They're wearing vests and helmets. Some have those transparent. Shields UC in crowd control situations. And you can see the police are now in kind of a bind it's gonna be hard to pry these guys apart. Now, they've become this giant organism? So the police do this thing that also seems smart they form a human ring around the men to contain them. And for a moment. It seems like a stalemate, but then the scrums starts to rotate which makes them harder to contain and a gap opens up in the ring of police, then one guy from this breaks off. Starts sprinting then another spins off in another. They run across this open field into town and finally to the official immigration center where they celebrate like a team that's just captured the flag. I don't know. How many of these people were granted asylum are allowed to stay just say there is something crazy about a system where countries build super tall multi-layer razor wire fences. They were definitely not supposed to cross. But if you do cross them, well, maybe you can stay. It's a Spain is saying this is who we want to immigrate people who are really good at climbing fences. W figured he had a pretty good chance of getting over the fences. He was young he felt strong. He saw them close soon after he got to Morocco made his way to this forest. Reheard people camped out for attempting to cross you could see me from there. This piece of Europe surrounded by fencing to me look over there. That's me. E S Mila almost noon Boesky in the woods. There was this whole community of people. They organize themselves by country. There's a group from Mali Gambia Guinea in one from his country Cameroon he slept with them that night. That's donald. Ubuntu grand Euboea on that night. It really rained. And since I was new I didn't have any place to sleep. And I didn't have any place to hide from all the water that was falling out of the sky the next night the Vienna. Small group he'd been traveling with went to check out the fences. But davita they didn't really know what they were doing when they got there. They saw Moroccan border guards davita and the others figured, well, we'll just wait 'til they move. But ours went they waited until two AM. But always there were guards. One of the tricks that people in the forest told him to go in large groups, if you've got the numbers, they can't catch all of you. So this time defeat goes with the big group of two hundred or three hundred other people it was early in the morning four or five AM they run toward the fences. The first obstacle before you can even get to the fences. Is that trench? It's pretty deep doses. He dropped down into it. Okay. But getting out his heart. It's like six or seven feet straight up. He says everyone kind of helps each other one person gets up and pulls the next one Midi. I e I tried to get out of there. And there were a Moroccan notary. People were throwing stones. And there was a lot of noise and people were moving around, and there was blood, and it was difficult to get out. MP? Sarah's be after eat Notre lotto, and then I was climbing up the other side. And then I climbed up the first barrier, and I got to the second barrier. And then I said, okay, I finished that I'm gonna go to the third vary. Komo's recital Pirro. I don't know how to express it. But it was it was something strange. I was thinking I'm going to do it. Then I thought I can't do it. And then I was doing it. So I said, well, this is how it's done. I'm doing I'm doing it. But I don't know how to express it. That's the truth. Did you feel like a crazy sport? Exactly. That's exactly what it is the way you put it into the to. It was a weird sport. I usually think of a border Waller offense is this thing that's supposed to stop somewhere. But as davita is discovering that's not how these things are actually designed his opponents had a strategy to the media border is an example of something called defense in depth in the US it's used around nuclear facilities. The ideas have many layers each can be beat. But they slow you down enough. So that before you can get to the other side, the guards are there in this case to pick you up and send you back to start. That's what happened to divide that day. The guards got him before he could clear the final fence, and they sent him back to Morocco. He was frustrated but also felt kind of good he'd made it to the third fence on his first try davita returned to the camps in the forest. What she says is okay. But I think it's not what a lot of people would call. Okay had to dig around and trash cans for food and sometimes after they'd gone to sleep the Moroccan police would come and chase them out destroy what they'd set up. When there was downtime would sometimes sit all facing the same direction and just kinda stare out and talk about how to get past the damn fences. There were rules that have been passed down people who've gone before them the goal of not making things harder for the next people. Tried to cross one of the rules was no weapons. Another no cutting the fence yucky notice when I started here we decided that it wasn't a good strategy. Because at the end of the day our goal was to be accepted by the Spaniards on the other side. Kotaro we didn't wanna use knives. And we couldn't cut the fence we tried over and over. But it seemed impossible to beat the guards. They had cameras that could see at night and helicopters. The bead met people who have been living in the forest for four or five years who still had never made it to Europe the checked out the fences around south the other city, but again, no work. He tried twenty times thirty times a year passed. At some point. It started feel kind of crazy that this is what is life had become trying to get over this barrier to this little piece of land ties when it did appear absurd to me, why am I doing this? What good is this, especially when experienced a failure? And I thought about just abandoning everything. And I cry bureau to discuss Diaz. The rest up two or three days. And once again, you think in optimistic fashion, and I got my my energy back. I wonder real this look like from the other side of the fence to live in one of these cities five or seven square miles and size with fences around it or in some years, you get people rushing up every few weeks. This whole mass of people outside trying to get in. There's this one photo from Spanish side of two people playing golf. They're standing on this lush green, fairway home. Trees. One of them woman is teeing off in a breakway golf outfit. And right behind them. There's the fence and on top of the fence. But a dozen people straddling it. I couldn't find any surveys in how people in the towns felt about the fences. But one journalist who lives in Mulia told me that photo is kind of the way it is for a lot of people. They're used to it. Now when the fences started being built in the nineties, some people thought they were ugly or sad. But then the fences became something else. They became invisible. Esta as musk it will not something more than offense. I know may seem silly. But now that basket, Unicom Ouaga mystical. There is something mystical in this fence I've seen people who when they get in front of the fence. They can't move me. My he no Cassie. I'll pass their Moondog or I imagine that if they're people from throughout the world to get together to make offense. There must be. A spirit inside the fence that tries to prevent things s I'll go move. What I'm it's really something very powerful. It's not just offense. Even fence spirit still offense. And as it a lot offenses. If he fall them far enough, there is a place where they end and south are not totally surrounded there on the coast, and we're the fences hit the water, they stop they go out of ways into the water. But then stop these places, of course, are very heavily guarded. And in the previous year, a bunch of people had died trying to cross this way, the Spanish police used tear gas and rubber bullets at least fifteen people drown and Venkat swim. But one day in the forest around south that he runs into a group of people who want to try this place where the fence ends by this time he's been at it for a while. He knows the way he helps lead them there. There's no trench here and only a single fence. And so when it's dark out davita group sneak up to it through this wooded area there over one hundred of them, and they start running along the fence trying to get to the beach and finally were. It extends into the water when they reached the beach some people start trying to climb the fence guards are gathering, but if he'd notices they aren't doing the thing that he's had problems with in the past. They aren't hitting people's fingers as they caught him so up he goes Bongo Bongo otros pogo, Bronco one thing Ron, and I put one hand on then I put one way up, and I got up to the point where there were the knives. He means the razor wire at the top. And then to even Arab, and I tried to get higher up, but these knives were grabbing at my clothes, and I had a backpack on so I had to go down, but not all the way down even the other stay on the fence there just below the very top maybe eighteen feet off the ground, and they start clambering sideways horizontally, along the fence trying to get to the water does because they were two kids in front of us. One of them was really young. He was like thirteen or fourteen they're moving very slowly took the trust. The behind me said hurry up hurry up. And I said look voice in front of us cannot go fast. We've gotta go step by step in Thomas in. If we make the water will be okay. They get to the end of the Fens people ahead of Vidh. The first one jumps down. And I want he fell into the water on the Moroccan side. And he was immediately picked up by the Moroccan soldiers. They picked them up and put them in a boat, which seem bad Moroccan guard would keep them in. The next guy is the kid in front of dovey, he jumps down onto the rocks at the base of the fence up you under and very quickly hit the ground and soon as he hit the ground civil guard picked him up and put him a side devito next in line, the third detri- and then memento Kayla. Does he the moment that I saw the civil guard people moving two or three steps away? I went down immediately just like the kid did. But as soon as I hit the ground. I went right into the water. Then others make it into the water. They sit on this big rock big in you guada- up yet the little kid who the police the civil guard had picked up and already had his hands tied behind his back. Tried to. Escape and make it into the water going done by leeann t I not know sutras and just to show. One of us was brave enough to go into the water, and he saved him and brought him over to the stone does. So then we work singing and shouting what Jesse Aalborg civil guard was saying I need one opus another get out of the water come out of the water. Nothing's going to happen to you do moocher Nichols. And there were many negotiations to get us out of the water Nokia most. And we didn't want to get out. This goes on for hours, they're cold but singing shouting, waiting for the city to hoping someone will come in help them the Red Cross journalists eventually they do get out of the water. They're taken to a police station and fingerprinted defeat figured he'd be sent back to Morocco. Like all the other times, the police station was right there on the border, but it didn't happen. Instead. Someone got him some food and a place to sleep. After two years of attempts. He'd made it. He felt joy like is this really happening for a couple of days. And then he felt something else not Duckie considerable when I realized that I had made it it was like a vacuum. That's the truth most miracles and Morocco Morocco. We think that whenever I managed to get there. I'm going to be very happy Bittel best. Consider once you make it. No cintas. Nada. You don't feel anything eskimo. Jesse akaba? The feeling ends. Vida. In Madrid in a little bit. He'll be able to apply for residency. So he can work after almost two years thinking about the fence. He doesn't. It was just a barrier. One among many. David castell. It's one of the producers of our program the way down. On DVD from that story is trying to make it as musician. He wrote the song about the border fence new ungrand, gnome brew volun- veneer, a new rope melamine near connote to Mark remand. It only on the mound. Monje mapra quavo. No minna. See nouveau long atrial libra quavo. News them pitchy. Deputy initially Deb are the police LA LA O'neil. Deborah, the police LA by analogy, Deborah the police coming up while there is one hundred fifty miles long and completely invisible. From one of its sides that minute Gog radio when a program continues. Support for this. American. Life comes from squarespace, make your new website stand out with squarespace, providing designer crafted templates that are mobile friendly and commerce ready all with award-winning customer service and squarespace offers. A new way to buy domains and choose from over two hundred domain extensions. Start your free trial and receive a special offer on your first purchase at squarespace dot com slash American and use promo code American dream is just a great idea that doesn't have a website yet. Squarespace think dream it make it. Tis American life Myra glass. Today's program the walls, we have stories from around the globe. Looking at the way the life Morrison adapts around any wall that gets built anywhere version of today's program was first broadcast last year. But we thought we would update and bring it back with our government shutdown over a wall and one thing that families have thinking about a lot these last few weeks, it's been the president's promise to have Mexico pay for the wall. And I think a lot of people don't remember that that just wasn't a thing that was said in rallies like there was an actual step by step plan on how to do it and have wondered like whatever happened to that. It's the it's so long forgotten plan from the Trump campaign, we talk now like this plan never even existed is Robert Costa national political reporter for the Washington Post. He says that when he and Bob Woodward asked then candidate Trump in two thousand sixteen for details about exactly how he would pay for his wall to this apprise two days later, they got this step-by-step memo. Oh, outlining how it would happen. Written says by Stephen Miller now one of the president's top aides. This is something that the Trump campaign was under intense pressure during the primary season to prove that in some way. It had a serious proposal for getting Mexico to pay for the wall. And this is what they came up with his the plan. They say that under the Patriot Act. The president has powers to do all kinds of things including if he wants to he can make it impossible for undocumented Mexicans living here to wire money home to Mexico, and it's a lot of money. The memo says twenty four billion dollars a year, the actual numbers probably much smaller than that. But still in the billions significant to the Mexican economy Mexico as the member notes would not like this. And so the memo says we would tell the Mexican government that it could avoid all this pleasantness if it would just send us five to ten billion dollars for the wall. And then we won't make the change store regulations. We will let people wire money home to Mexico. It said in typical language by President Trump. It's quote, an easy decision for Mexico to make and that all they need to do is make quote, one time payment of five to ten billion for the wall. And then they could walk away that didn't work the memo list other threats that we could make trade tariffs, we could cancel work and tourist visas charge, higher visa fees. Now with the idea that this would force Mexico to cough up billions for the wall. Do enough. They tried to do any of this. Once they got into office. We're we're actually poking around about that at the Washington Post. It seems like. John Kelly when he was head of D H S and Kirsten Nielsen now head of DHS, they have not pursued this kind of policy to an extent. But the idea that it's floating around and Trump circles remains Bannon always would help her out there in twenty seventeen when he was in the White House or something that would maybe be brought up, and it could still be brought up and he believes he has sweeping executive authority to do this sort of thing. They've in building congress to do it more straightforward version of this by just taxing the money. They wired to Mexico and do some of the other things that the memo suggests there's a Bill in two thousand seventeen another in twenty eighteen neither picked up many co-sponsors. I've ever got to vote on Friday. The president said that he might occur state of emergency to pay for his border wall. Would you give bunch of options bunch of powers? None of them apparently related this memo or Mexico paying for the wall, presumably members still sits there somewhere in the White House. Untouched ready for action plan. A two known is seen the mid or heard the mid. While the walls all over the world that we learned about for today's program. This next one is the most mysterious while the may or may not even exist. Bryan reboot into it. I read about this possible wall in a blog post. It's a travel blog by no straying guy. And he tells the story of a bizarre tour he took in North Korea. The post is titled North Korea's Loch Ness, monster the concrete wall for decades. The North Korean government has complained about the huge concrete wall that divides north and South Korea a wall it claims that South Korea put up at the urging of the United States as a permanent barrier to reunification. A while that's been a source of anger for the North Koreans for years for them. It's a symbol of the diplomacy and bad will of South Korea. One peculiar thing about this wall, though, North Korea says it can only be seen from the northern side. But you can't see it from the south. It also doesn't show up on Google earth or satellite images. But in North Korea. There's a place where tourists can go. See it. That's where the blogger WAM, according to the post, he arrived at a small bunker. Where North Korean Colonel delivers a whole lecture about the concrete wall. He stands there in uniform with a pointer, stick there's a photo of this on the blog with a big mural behind him of the wall snaking along the border, though. Curiously it's not a photograph of the wall. It's a painting. The Colonel runs the walls dimensions, which are listed on the mural as well as geometric diagrams demonstrating, the ingenious engineering that makes it only visible from the north. It's built into a hill. So from the south it just looks like Greenland, it's invisible which the Colonel explains allow South Korea and the United States to claim that there isn't a wall between north and South Korea. Which is exactly what those countries say. And then the kernel invites the tour group outside to see themselves, the bloggers handed a pair of binoculars, the bug A writes that he half expects her to be a stencil of a wall taped on the lenses when he looked through there isn't. But as he stares out from the survey shin deck into the DMZ or demilitarize zone. The four kilometer wide stretch of land that buffers North Korea from south. He does see something. He includes a photo. He took of it. Could this be with the North Koreans were talking about? He writes, Leinen and see what you make that. I did lean in. And honestly, I could not tell what the hell was going on in this photo. It's super blurry taken from Colombia's away on a hazy looking day. There are shrubs and hills in the DMZ and yes, some type of brownish structure on top of the hills. But it's really hard to make out. It is like one of those Loch Ness photos. This blog posts confused me. Was there a wall between north and South Korea or not the news media seemed unequivocal on this question? The reports I read said the walls, not real one headline from Reuters North Korea has south to tear down imaginary wall, the blogger didn't want to be interviewed. So I ended up on the phone instead with a tour guide named Simon cockerel who runs one of the most popular tour companies or takes people into North Korea says he's been in North Korea more than one hundred sixty times. So I've been even nearly to the concrete wall at self. You've been nearly to the concrete wall it self. Yes. That's right. So it is it is it is a wall. It is a thing. It exists. You're talking about as if it exists it, in some way entirely does exist. Simon says he's done that whole tore the stray Lian blogger did how many times have you seen this wall? I would have to guess maybe forty or fifty times. Did you ever any of those viewings question? Whether what you were looking at a wall. I honestly don't think did. I mean, it's not a hologram. I mean, that's probably a semantic case to be made that it's not hoebel because on the southern side of it. It's a hill on the northern side of it. It's a wool. So it has the characteristics of a wool if you'll looking at it from the north which after release the only side from which you can see it. What are the characteristics of a wall as you see them? It rises at a ninety degree angle from the ground and. Creates a barrier between way you are in the place on the side of the wool. That's what exists in the DMZ. It's at the very least Awal object. There's a headline. I want to read you from journalist John herskowitz, who's based in Seoul for years and followed North Korea. I know Joan has done. Okay. He wrote this article, I believe this is back in two thousand seven in Reuters. The headline is one of the greatest hindrances deterring on the wall is that it doesn't exist. What do you make of that headline? It's poetic is sounds good. Is just not true. Really? So it's just straight up not true in your eyes. It's not really in my eyes sort of manifestly untrue, yet Joan is one hundred percent wrong about that. He said something to the effect of John one hundred percent wrong. That is Reuters journalist reporter in Korea for five years and author of the article with that headline John herskowitz, and he sticks to his guns. No wall. How do you know? There's no wall been to the border numerous times and also have crossed through the DMZ four times. And did you have to traverse a wall at any point? No, the Ed to go through some razor wire and boom gates. But there was no wall to traverse, and when you look left and right as you were crossing juicy a wall anywhere like tied. Didn't didn't see well here? He's the wall. All that said John may have been to the border bunch of times. But he has not been to the observation point in the north that the blogger and Simon went to he hasn't tried to the wall from North Korea, which is convenient. So the fact that North Korea says, you can't see the wall from the south, which is where you were looking for the wall that doesn't make you wonder if maybe there's a wall. No, it doesn't because they are very specific about what they have described the describe it very distinctly as five to eight liters toll nineteen meters thick and stretches from one end of the peninsula to the other John says, it'd be hard to miss giant concrete barrier that sixty two feet thick several stories high running for more than one hundred fifty miles across the Korean peninsula in the decades this wall, supposedly been around someone would have bumped into it or glimpsed it on satellite. I told John I'd actually just talked to someone who says they've glimpsed it with their own eyes forty or more times the tour guide Simon I'm guessing probably sold one of these tank barriers tank barriers or tank barriers. John admits that these do exist in the DMZ between north and South Korea, South Korea's also cop to this. They're tall. They're big. You can't walk through them. They may even be made concrete, but they do not come close to spanning the entire length of the peninsula like North Korea claims. Simon the tour guide admits he's only ever seen the wall from one spot. He doesn't know it stretches the entire peninsula. He only knows what he knows which is claiming. There's no wall to him is absurd. It's probably a tank barrier as well. I mean, what's the purpose of a will keep something out? Okay. Something in and. Yeah, tanks are thing. I think a antitank Barry can also be described as being a wool is like one of the great wall of China anti invading forces barrier. Hadrian's wall is a wall not just an empty Scott's barrier. I mean, what's the difference? It might seem silly to get into a semantic debate over the meaning of the word wall. But that's where we are when it comes to walls. Apparently semantics matter John pointed out to meet the demilitarized zone between north and South Korea is probably the most fortified border in the world. There's razor wire fence on either side of it that does stretch across the entire peninsula there. Landmines everywhere inside north and South Korea have about two million troops on either edge with artillery and missiles and air forces at the ready this border does not need a concrete wall to stop people from crossing it or attacking and yet the North Koreans felt the need to invent one. Anyway, it needed to be a wall. Even if it doesn't do much to actually stop people, even if it's imaginary calling it a wall makes a difference. I'm Reid is the senior producer program and the host of podcast s town. He has all pine an IM apple which. An extra takes place at the border between Pakistan and India nearly two thousand miles the border is heavily patrolled it at night fenced in parts border between two countries that have gone to four times nineteen forty seven nineteen sixty five nineteen seventy-one nineteen ninety nine it is still tense between India and Pakistan. He has nuclear weapons and there's only one road on that long border where you can cross from one country into the other. And that's a town called Ouaga at a place called the Berlin Wall of Asia, Mary careers, you grew up in Pakistan and the thing that she knew about while. They do this flag going ceremony. There happens every day at sundown so just both sides of the border. Do this elaborate stylized choreographed performance. Here's Mario as a kid. I only knew the bare bones of what happened at Waga. I knew there was some kind of marching fives being lowered a handshake. It's the handshake. The idea of the handshake that got me an Indian soldier walks right up to the border and shakes pocket. Tiny soldiers hand, I loved it. It seemed so sweet. I know liked it whenever there was anything on TV showing our two countries getting along there'd be news reports of soldiers exchanging traits during religious holidays standing across from one another with their comical lacks mustaches raised in a smile. I saw commercial in which border security officers stationed at Waga shared a soda across the border. I like the idea these soldiers friends aboard or everyone was chummy and spent a lot of time together. I never actually went there as a kid my family, and I moved to Texas when I was eleven and I lived in the US on and off since then. Last year, my mother, and I went to Waga for the first time. It was not what I expected. I knew the stuffing. But if you've never seen goosestep nothing can really prepare you for formation of tall, Pakistani. Men a dozen of them implacability uniforms handlebar mustaches and turbans top with large Pete at fans swinging their legs up in unison without bending the knee and without missing a beat quickly doing it again on the other. And again, it's a March. It's impressive. Knots. The crap of soldiers heels based ranked the ground then these which disguise high kicks their arms aggressively swinging to this exaggerated marching looking a little like willful frustrated toddlers someone on a PA leads the group in a series of channel. The gates of the Indian side were closed, but over there, I know the Indian soldiers were doing the same choreography same goosteps same hikes. The also look nearly identical to postures military uniforms and shiny black boots. The turban hats. The two sides rehearsed together, I like to picture that them learning. Stop one Indian soldier asking Pakistan soldier to go over the ending one. More time another showing up new stretchy learned to loosen up. His boots a frustrated stage manager counting angrily five six seven eight months cheese thought. The ceremony started in nineteen Fifty-nine as an active brotherhood and friendship between the two countries and before visiting I assumed that people came here to celebrate that but in reality, the petty rivalries between the countries play out right in front of you. Kasan quits, their tallest brawny, est men soldiers that are six feet or taller in a country where the average height is five pockets on pays their soldiers extra for staying in shape. India just doesn't seem to care that much. They're soldiers look scrawny by comparison at the same time. India seems like a can't resist join off that it's the wealthier country. They built a majestic stadium that seats fifteen thousand it towers over everything the whole ceremony. No matter which side, you are sitting on on the Pakistan side, it's way. Smaller? Rosa little plastic seats surrounded by concrete steps. But what surprised me most while ago? There was an aggression. I had an expected. It seemed like everyone was there to hate on. India the energy was frantic and hostile peoples shook their fists at the Indians across from them. The crowd is intense shouting things like a lot is great in long live, Pakistan. Few weeks ago, I returned to and everyone I spoke to seem to really really hate. India the mom whose kids wanted ice cream, the teenager dressed in pink, the axe military, man. And by the told me they'd come out to their national pride and to teach their kids about this day. But they also went on in great detail with these crackpot conspiracy theories like dolla Bonner actually Indians or that India continues to attack pockets on across the Kashmir border on provoked or that India was working stealthily to destabilize the government from the inside. I felt dumb. I hadn't realized the extent of the hate in hostility that people still feel towards India. I told people personally, I don't feel deeply about India. And I definitely don't think of India's an enemy almost everyone said that's because I'm to western, and I didn't really know how it was in Pakistan. I couldn't possibly understand. Here at the border felt like Mike country Pakistan underdog was giving the middle finger to our neighboring country. And maybe India was no better, Apopka Saini friend who visited the India side of the ceremony said he cried when he realize just how much the Indians hit at the box Tani's. What's rape their sisters? He overheard an Indian spectator yelling. It's like if people from all over the United States in Mexico full of anger more travel to the border between El Paso and Horace to sit in some bleachers face off, both shouting insults. Screaming I'm better than you. At the stadium. The moment comes when the gates open between the two sides, and we can finally see the Indian soldiers the Pakistani and Indian troops stare each other down. Pause then hike their legs up into the air like a competition between manly Mark ads. The crowd howls in two thousand six before some peace talks in the slightly lowered the height of their kicks. It was a gesture of goodwill meant to show how sincere India was about improving relations between the two nuclear-armed countries. They thought Pakistan would reciprocate we not. Finally an Indian lower their respective flags for the night bugles play. All the soldiers fall back except for one Pakistani and one Indian based debase feet apart the each to a single beautifully executed high kick in the other space and then as promised they shake cans Woodley before marching back to their troops. The ceremony is done. It will say. I was glad I found it surprisingly moving in spite of my surroundings. I wondered if I was the only one who felt that way. In the weeks since I went I thought a lot about how much motion I saw pour out of people at walk. There's lots to be frustrated about in Pakistan, their sectarian violence almost every single day. Politicians are nickname for how corrupt they are waters. Increasingly scares police often don't follow up on crimes the rich avoid paying taxes. You can't fight injustice the legal system at Waga the single spot on the giant line that made Pakistan exist as country, you can at least yell with some Frosini. Maybe it is a way to show your love for Pakistan. But I suspect a lot of the Piel is simply that you can yell. Crunchy. At four we keep the wall between us as we go the very first official border wall between the United States and Mexico actually just a fence in nineteen eighteen on the border between two cities with the same name Nogales, Mexico and gala Sarah's ONA since the US has installed a much bigger fence thick rust colored steel rods and every day that spot at the border in Gallas white buses from homeland security roll up full of people with deportation orders are sent across the border into Mexico from the United States. Lots of them are parents with kids who are still in the states. Then just take residents right on the other side of the wall. There's no facial estimate of how many it's probably in the thousands one of the saddest premises for community. You can imagine these parents separated from their own children who are US citizens. Stay behind sometimes the parents approval and best wishes. Sometimes not report oppressor was curious about how these parents and kids remake their family lives around all this. One family in particular, many of the parents get dropped off. Don't exactly decide to stay on the Mexican side of Nogales. It's more that they never make the decision to leave. They have no friends or family here. Their original hometowns in Mexico are hundreds of miles away. But nNcholas is the closest they can be to their kids who aren't that far away in places? Like, Arizona, Nevada are Utah. Local officials told me that this population of deported. Parents is new one started showing up under President Obama their numbers picked up even more under President Trump. We hear about kids who get left behind in the states. But in no Gallas, it's the parents who are orphaned. You can find these parents all over town. I meant manual outside of Jim he got deported two years ago. Why did you stick around on here because I'm close to my son, you know, his little so he's to is walking. Just don't forget about me. You know, so and then spot of this woman on the street, wearing Arizona Wildcats t shirt stopped her working on a story on parents who have been deported to Nogales. Yeah. That's exacly me got deported a year ago. This Nossa her kids are in Mesa. Arizona. I'm gonna get you have three and howled eighteen sixteen in six tarred. You know? Missing a lot of things. Certain times of the day that you miss your kids. Most night and night when pictures my son just went homecoming wasn't there. She's cross through our kids. Facebook pages every night before bed. I talked to another mom said she sometimes spent hours Google earth, tracing the streets in our own neighborhood in Phoenix. I met parents all over the city. They work all day in factories in call centers, and then come home to rooms decorated for their kids who aren't there. One dad with a two year old still in Phoenix told me he installed a TV in his room decked out with Tonka trucks and Hot Wheels. When friends come over shuts the door to keep the room clean. But when I asked him the last time of sun came to visit he said it was more than a year ago. Sometimes it's a really long wait for kids across over from the states. The mama spent the most time with is Gloria marine you need to cook. She Lakota this is her early one morning last fall. She talked to our kids on the phone and it sounded like they were coming today. So gory was making her son angels favorite dish Chile. Colorado a red Sashi mixed with beef and cactus. I've known glory on her family for a year and gotten close to them. She used to live in Phoenix with her four kids raising their as a single mom now she lives in a small room ended friend's house. A couple extra beds propped up against her wall and got a Chihuahua far daughters. Like a lot of the other deported. Parents in town. She always wants to be ready for her kids. Glory has been in August more than five years. She short with black hair. She's quiet kind of wistful when she talks she wasn't expecting her kids until lunch, but she woke up at five AM to get ready. She wanted to look nice I knew Gloria saying, but I showered I got dressed guy brushed my hair. I cleaned the house I made the food been. Been would. And I wait for them. That's all. Glenn her kids spend all their time together when they were in Phoenix they did Friday movie nights to camping trips so toys together at a spot on the weekends to make extra money and then one day back in twenty ten glory got arrested while her kids were at school. She'd been working as a housekeeper for a couple months when her boss got charged with running drop houses places where undocumented immigrants the night after crossing the border. The prosecutors charged Goya's in accomplice, she says he knew nothing about her bosses work, but she spent two years in prison. And then since she wasn't documented she was deported during that time her kids live started to unravel the youngest was seven and the oldest fifteen her kids were split up and put into foster care. They could rarely talk to their mom or do we? Other. Glorious spent her first year Nogales trying to regain custody of her kids. But by the time, she could convince eras family court only glorious youngest to ten ended up joining her for a little the others had been through hell, and they felt a strange from their mom in been three years since they all live together. Also, they didn't know Mexico, and they were scared to move there. They were US citizens whose lives were in Phoenix three hours away, which Oklahoma them who many musical stomach to keep those your Penza Cajon up. It'd be seen. Use Gloria told me I was young. And my kids were little I thought that I can never live without them and ever thought that one day they'd grow up, and I'd be far away from them. It'll Dennis kick up in there. Vida SE, but you have to learn how to live like this is. Bush suspend unsightly. It's like a hope it's the hope that any moment. They'll say mom, I'm going over. And I'll be here waiting for them to implement view. I'm always just sitting around nervously just waiting. They. Always wait their visits like thinking that at any minute. They'll come glint get nominee, but never really plan. Anything up on us. today. They said they'd visit Laura didn't know was that they weren't planning on coming across the border to our house and eating her Chile, Colorado. They only wanted to come as far as the wall. There's a small visitor section where the walls just a mesh fence where people from the two sides to talk. I wanna stay on this side this glorious daughter. Yes, e- she's twenty two and she's bringing her two young children one of whom has never met Gloria. And she just couldn't bring herself to tell her mom that she doesn't want to cross over into Mexico today. No, my own hair is gonna be side being something wrong with her. I don't make excuses. I don't know. What's wrong with me? Like skews updates accuse. Making those excuses there. I get super depress not being able to her. She says it's really painful to see your mom, gorgeous houses, apply would shed and she's working at a factory making fifteen dollars a day. Her health is in great. She has diabetes. Sometimes she starts crying. And yes, he feels like there's nothing she can do to help her situation in messes up to see your mom that way. I don't think she understands like the fact of a seeing her like that, you know, choice called me and tells me why are you ignore me? Domine mother unique to seem you need to talk to me. You know, wanna cook? For us tells me like all these things, then what do you say? I just always be busier I got stuff to do. But I don't do anything. I'm just here in my room. When was the last time Cy? I can't even remember think it was December of last year gets been alone. And that was at the wall. Yes, he hasn't crossed over to visit her mother's house since two thousand fourteen it's not that she doesn't love her mom. They talk on the phone text, send each other cute emojis. But in the past when yes, he's gone to see her mom, she's left her idea at home on purpose, then told her mama was an accident that way crossing wasn't an option. She can only meek glory at the wall and talk there would have to see your at her house. It just wasn't as intense the Wallace helpful for SE. It helps keeps them emotional distance. Staying on the US out of the wall helps Jesse another way last time she crossed over to visit Gloria and her home for years ago. She only planned to visit for a few days, but she almost didn't come back. She ended up living there for four months with her daughter who just a toddler she hadn't felt that comfortable in years. She and Gloria talked about how yes he could get a job on the US side of the border commute there during the day and stay in Mexico with Gloria at night and for months. Yes. He let herself believe it was possible. But then real life caught up with her. She couldn't keep putting off school her kids dad who was an Arizona. She had too many responsibilities and ever since seeing her mom just reminded her of what she couldn't have your nervous that. If you go you won't come back. Because that's what I want. You know, like I wanna be with her. Yes. I have no self control. Like, that's I don't like going over there. But have you ever thought about just saying to her like it's hard for me to come because I miss you too much. Adia tell the person that you love the most in this world like I don't wanna see you because I come home and. Not the same. Because of you. You know, like, you don't want to tell her that her little brother angel is also Embiid fluent about seeing their mom and today, he plans to stay on the US side of the fence with. Yes, e- butterflies. I feel nervous. It's like a meaning a whole different person. Even though I know her I just I I don't know. I just sometimes feel like sometimes like I'm a stranger to her. And sometimes she's a stranger to me. Angels eighteen now, he was ten gory was picked up in those eight years glorious changed. A lot in prison. Gore became really religious. Now, she goes to mass three times tweak, and she's always talking angel. And yes, he about God reading them past from the bible. She used the stolen to school to pick them up and ripped guess jeans and a big Perm at home, she'd blast Madonna and Michael Jackson while I cleaned the house together. Now, she wears long dresses in church, lady shoes, she's reserved. Angels kind of goof, and he used to crack his mom up all the time. But now he says she's lost her sense of humor. He feels like he can't be himself around her. I'll make fun of people say, oh that guy abode you can see your future in lease like magic bowl. And should will don't make fun of the person. They have issues too. I'm a mom trying to make you love. But okay, it is going to continue to be like that with me than like, why should we even speak late 'cause I don't wanna feel the vibe with own mother. Is part of you think? So. Yes. Engelen? Yes. He both can't let go of the way their mom used to be back in Phoenix. Yes. He wanted to act more like a mom to fake that she's happy when she's not to tell her what to do. Of course, they have practical reasons for not visiting. They don't have much money for bus tickets. Yes. He's kids need her attention. It's easy to blame it on that stuff. And not talk about the rest of it though. It's hard not to feel guilty. The moment foods, we don't love her. Do you feel like your love for your mom now is the same as it was before she left? During. Mom. She told me she loves me. Nothing. Scary. Sister feeling that you feel when you're just too deep into something that you just can't get out of or you feel you can get out of. N does not completely disconnected from Gloria though, he's this cover that. She has a very specific physical effect on him that no one else has after Gloria was arrested angel stop being able to sleep through the night. But when he visited her at her home in Nogales for the first time Goya lay down next to him at the time, he was just fourteen instantly sleep because usually rubbing my head. I just knocked out Kuwait. Had you not had that since she had been arrested. Those are the best decency plate. I would compare it to the last time. I was like in the feet is brought late Chilean. Just going this sleeping adult. Thoughts known negative does. And I didn't have to worry about bills. No, nothing. Good sleep today. The US into visit more often sepia news news told me. Yes. But I don't know the they may because of time and money. I don't know. Nobody must say they can't come so much. I don't know up in sick gay. So I never thought that like by what happened you'll see if they make the decision to not come. This seam in knee any before basic at angry because they didn't come. And I used to ask myself why ask myself if they'd lost their love for their mom and all that. So it now I just I just want them to feel good. So that they wanna come again. Sink them being needle. So these days that's his entire strategy. She tries to play it quo. When she's on the phone with them. She doesn't want to have needy or talk about how hard things are for her. In the morning back in Phoenix. Yes, he put on full makeup free set the youngest kid braided angels hair. The three of them packed into the car around seven AM with the SEC kids and headed south to stand on the air Zona side of the border and talk to their mom through offense. In Gallup's Gorka, finished cooking, and then sat on her bed watching the clock still unaware that our kids weren't planning to cross over. When it hit ten AM Goya left her house gotten her car and started driving to the border to pick them up. Ten minutes away. Suddenly her cell phone rang. It was her kids. Yes. The night or you're saying you guys coming I used mabley, wait, you're there. I'm on my way. Love her kids at all crossed. I don't think it was because I was with them recording. It had a massive change of heart. Brisa the youngest had been telling her siblings Gloria was doing fine and they needed to chill out and stop making such a big deal out of visiting her house. And so when they got to the border, the siblings didn't talk about it. Nobody said anything angel look down and SaaS feet walking across the border. They push through a metal gate. Suddenly they were in Mexico Goria pulled up and Hong. Yes. He first time here in three years. I know it's been a while. Yes. Even to hug, she told her mom that our hair smells, good, everyone kissed each other in piled into the car. Glorious house the kids immediately sat down to start eating. They only had an hour angel had to get back to Phoenix for work that night for all their talk about their hangups with their mom. They got casual really fast. Yes, he's bodysuit was bothering her. So she unsnapped flap saying loose into trying to learn how to say burp in Spanish. Gloria wasn't eating. She was just watching them to the streaming smile interface. This was the first time that all sat around a table together since two thousand and ten after lunch. They all climbed into Gloria's bed insisting they had food. Komo's but really they just want an excuse to cuddle with their mom angel curled up. He's about five feet ninety pounds. He'd insisted on wearing a baggy sweatshirt that day. So we didn't look too skinny gorgeous started rubbing his head. It was like a magic trick. Ngelos's is. And then it was time to leave. Yes. The kids stayed behind with Gloria just for three extra days this time. They talked again about living together in Mexico. Yes, he told her should move down there in a month or so she'd by Gloria plot of land with a small house just big enough for the whole family. Yes. He told me it made them both happy to saying all those things even though she knew and her mom knew that it wasn't going to happen. And the first time that was okay. The story got a grant from the international women's media foundation as an adult day fellow sheers put it by the investigative find at the nation institute. Anything? The wall came down. Speech today by David Kestler. 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Walk through the wire doodo. Why Yano? We're like three days a week. Then we'll get some media debuted like three days away from like actual NBA basketball. It is preseason is something hold us nothing nothing to watch. I I haven't been inside of a media. I was really like into looking at teams. I'm not a fan of job now. Yeah, to do that. I guess I mean long way. Yup. They know wrong with looking forward to work. You've Deandra Russell do so much here are watched j media day and was like windy. His his crazy. This is way off talk. My step mom asked what you were doing with Joe hair, and that's my step mom's. I watched the show and I just look at them every episode. What is he? What is this playing? No, because I know if I cut it instantly regretted braid braided that's my final say, but yesterday was NBA media day new players, New Jersey's and everything. I'm gonna ask our after top. What was the best moment for y'all in this media day? Old thing was? Yeah. Okay. I don't know. That's it. That's the obvious answer. You know, we were listening to that in the party, and I think maybe it was Tyler or somebody who's like, is that Derek laughing? They thought that was, you'll laugh. Guy got spill. I gotta say he never laughed his sentence o.'neil. So the fact that he laughed means he's realizing so forced didn't know think it was his that was his Mattru land. Opposite because he wanted land. We're never humid again at the weight. Immediate thing was a for some reason. To me, it might just be me. He looked normal. I, I would like to really rapid. The same eats. He, he look good in red like you've been this whole Iraq. So. So what I did was pick some of the biggest headlines or just some of the more interesting things on media day, and I'm gonna give you out headlining I'll tell me if it's worth talking about an I do that's not restart. And I started as we were. Because you gave an answer, but you know what else was another thing, but I'm pretty sure ain't no your list. Jordan Carson. What happened? The three amigos food. What did that come from him? He did a good job high, and he got one pitcher where you can see the neck, but like the rest. I don't. I don't know. They don't know what's going. Clocks headed out like he's moved him JR Smith today, who is the king. Jor Taylor. They were just sitting next to it was like tattooed on round. Yeah, I haven't. We. Where do you be on XBox on Twitter too? It was on Twitter, follow the right people. I don't think he follow people in like the NBA media world. I think he follow us. That's. Tweet, tweet it in. So you don't watch much now. Follow me on Instagram. I, I just never followed you because you don't. Back. Maybe following bay and consider it go. This pays zero. You just want me. You just want to say that Bryant, but let's get to media day media day sums came to my mind, but it went away. Okay. Let's Klay Thompson. Okay. He was interview. He said these exact words. I'll tell me if it's worth stopping the break, shut out to Jalen. Jin. Jacoby. Oh, when I was going to say is sat out. Our slash NBA for like getting everything in the place rock and pick my favorite. They set out to read it Klay Thompson when God wants a free agency, they're looking for situated like mine. I am content when he was asked about upcoming Koch IBM. What's out thinking about Klay Thompson, say he's content as of right now. Also Klay Thompson, Cam, just like the people around all of this conversation. Is this a hard? We ain't gonna know until it literally comes his ASA gonna retire war. Your Dan his day. Say Klay should be with the Lakers because pip perfect. But I think we learned in history. Don't listen to the dad, dad the hell. He talk. The hell. He talked to this day because he's saying both times the the, but he's gonna retire. Like what are you talking about? And clay is definitely not gonna come out and say any, right, right. The right thing to say at least looking at his like, but I keep going. No, he's basically what you're gonna miss the league because if you go to another team, they do terrible announced reflect on him as a character is a basketball player and everything like that. He just probably cooler yet. I know what that is the right thing to say, but I felt for him. I feel like he legitimately believes this. He's like a very low maintenance guy. He comes into work. He does his job and he goes home. He doesn't need my own team this, he'll need any of that only time will tell contract is up at the end of the season. But I, I feel this once the time comes the first day of free agency, you're going to get the notification from wolves, say Klay Thompson resigned, and I'll be like, yeah, that makes sense. That's why we banking on America's cousins coming back and being hard for them to let walkaway so they can. Some drama can stir up because. Came bringing back all five clay. And I mean, Stephan Katie. Nieman Nata debate. Okay. The Katie the same. He. So I got some stuff about Kadian is lists need. We need that. Validation. So he might try to because he made us all mad. He might try to go somewhere else and do some to get our hearts bet as much as I love Clayton love to see Klay Thompson on his own team. I gotta say that if he did side someone else, I'm gonna miss him, Steph curry in the same backward. Let's like one of the best backwards ever. They play like the night in night out. I wanna bigger role the I mean, if one of them is they're more likely to explode because ain't got the other one on any given night. Breath like Klay compliments. Also, he takes extra. You can't help. You can't help off. They show. One of the best. Exactly. You don't know how doesn't play without him. I mean, easy to find another shooting. You're not gonna. Shoot it like clay, but you definitely find shooter to get both. Space. Second thing LeBron James names the bench unit of land Stevenson's avail McGee Rondo when Michael Beasley Mahmud stands for misunderstood underappreciated and determined were talking about or not. Right words. No, that was. He tried to. You can tell the guide like being China, sprit some light on this because. What you expect them to you? Gotta let the fans do that. Then they, they don't come up with some better natural. Call them the jesters jokers and clowns king determine that come on. I kinda like digestion gestures, but it's kind of disrespectful. They are clowns. Let's be real. They are clouds. I mean, I guess Rondos. Because he's like the hardest put into. Right, right. Easy wash wanna say yes, even we deal with Vail mcgee's and and against. Yeah, yeah. Tabet will give as crazy as he's, he's absent become an better. Yeah, it was a point where like he was out of his way he was his way out of the league and then he gets the Golden State and he comes a productive NBA player. And I wonder if that's going to carry on LA plan them Gant. Next Jaanus beats Kobe to the gym. So if you don't know Janas and Kobe working out together this off season and say, he showed up to the gym, three hours three total hours before Koby Gada to determination. He's willing to be better. I like to be rather trying to be better than who. Buyer Kobi's higher. Tire did you? I don't even think Kelly Bryant was working out. He was there to help him work out? No, I don't think he's actually getting shots. He's telling us what to do about. They're supposed to beat the guy that training, but I think the big the big thing here is like three hours early, especially when Kobe has reputation of being the first one. Again, I know he's retired and he's not getting shots or anything, but I believe in what they're saying is well shows the determination to be. He said, he's trying to be one of the greatest of all time and getting there three hours early to normal workout. He said he got up shots. He gets drenched out. He got up shots and gas stretched out those three hours and then Koby walk there. He's Mark. This is very different character. Whenever I watch interview with him, we learn so much more. He said, he's got this little book that when new things happen to him in his experience in life, or he gets some advice from anybody, he writes down in this little book. Some of the things I rose susceptible as little interview was like, are you planning on selling this once you retire? In honest like, no, I can't sell it because it's not just positive things. It's negative things too, and I don't want everybody to see that. But like I just such a genuine, he's very genuine, very appreciative to number games, four. Listen me and my talk about this often. Victoria depot watches the same for movies every night to go to bed home alone, one home alone to Milan, and then the last one was Shrek. Let me and my talk about this every night. I watch family guy futurama or to Simpson's or one of those get myself to sleep victory. But what is those same for movies? I can't do my is too repetitive. My sister's two years old. Watch the same every day. And when I walk at the TV and I see the same movie too. She's too it is, but this is all man. Oh, man. The person I just cannot watch the same things. I really do what I'm saying. Now what I'm saying you when you were to you were saying idea? My mom in the ocean. I'm twenty two. Almost two. Travels with these movies, these movies every night. You're the glow. That's also like enough. He's sadism. This came out of his mouth during media, all of moving. Not think he picks one of the four to watch to get to sleep. I can't say exageration because, hey, home loan mom was. A good movie straight, but is so good that you watching times a week? No, it's not. Got the get any movie wanting. He picked those. He got the funds to get over exaggeration. I mean, I feel me probably watches the most right, but I but even when you say that I keep thinking about myself, I watched these same show as you say. Saying, please show the because different episodes of movies aimed at the same thing every every Mex camello when he was asked about potentially coming off the bench, whatever I have to do to help to see when a championship that's going to be done. I love the change of love it like he, but he doesn't have to come. He doesn't writing, but I love that. He flip the switch. You realize that now he has to do is best for the team. Yes, yes, season realize that he couldn't do. Yeah. I love. I love this respond by the best season in. Okay, see made him realize it like I can't be. I'm not the guy really no more. Was he isn't. He's not no thinking dot. I think he did you think when he went to thunder, he thought he was going to be the guy. You still the guy the game from the New York situation where hail he thought he was going to the tunder. No, not the guy at a team where he thought he was still like an all star caliber forward. I still think that he thinks that. Regardless the whole idea of him coming off the bench, and I say he's going to have to this year, but like the willingness to shows improvement show step in the right direction. You remember last year same time last year, like Pete, they want me to come off the bench. You know, they might anytime is better is going to translate on the best court. Hopefully. I think he's won't be. That's what I think, because it's just too much of a big deal, but nothing really, to be honest with you. Be will be way I got going to the warriors and saying, there was no reason the business, but the. Thunder, no, legitimate reason to me clearly to them and the rockets don't even go. I think their arguments that you should've came off the bench and. Okay, see, I think we talked about that and pass Seau's. That's another two. Next career says, the current Celtics are the most talented team he's ever played for agree or disagree with that statement. Agree. Repair on into what ship cast championship Cavs. LeBron's the most talented players play whip out. Look at Jason Tatum Jalen Brown, our hor- for an organ Hayward themselves, even taros year, Marcus smart touch point guard zero zero, golly, yellow say. So y'all pick him with the mask on the scream, odyssey scary, Terry report, put them on their page this. I'll also settled to Bleacher report in h. Next DeWayne case, it gives Andre German the green light to shoot threes this season. So far this career, he is five thirty from the three, but a lot of history pointed tips, half court shots at the end of the quarter. Maybe not last year, but he doesn't solid reputation hitting those full court shots showing enough. The always gonna be over. So he had between because if I'm going. You shoot there, and that's why they need him to shoot the ball what they want him to shoot the ball more because. Jumped threes. One, I'd go to like fifteen photos. I well, maybe as a fifty footer. He may get a little bit more of a contest because no, nobody's guarding him at the three point line at all. So if he makes a couple, if he makes literally just one game that's enough for disease gaming, like a corner breathing on man for real guard top Gibson last year, right? So I guess they had a couple of corner threes if you like, we really got to gory about there and then they started to guard him. It's not like, you know they were smothering them right? Is that he's making one three again, I don't think noise garden still wonder game is enough to change a lot. Real one three gave is enough to change a lot. So for them not to what do you say? Four threes the game. He may one. Do you think people are still going to garden? I think they will not sick off to the pain on the difference between does the conversation just have won't smother, but they're not gonna have to feeding lane. Defense, right? Joel is capable three point shooter. He just shoot the ball away last year from three, but she people respect him enough to guard him out there. You know. You know. So I think that's probably the direction at trying to go. Why not the case? It's not a live on Detroit right now. They need some changing because that that wing situation, they got going on need some help best. Shoot the whole shoot and on the roster, some help. So of dramas, the guy to do it for you, let it be Kanar step up. Got this shot. Kevin Durant is really looking forward to the warriors preseason game and Seattle. He said is devastating how to sign it's left in the middle of the night lash last year years ago, and he's looking forward to the energy and the build in upcoming exhibition game. So there's obstinate preseason game, Seattle and people are speculating that the way to get Kevin Durant out of Golden State is to move back to Seattle. Is it a lot to save the league. Now that you put in there for sector? No, I'm joking. I was joking about the league elitist fire, but I'll think would get out of you. So I was on. He did of, you'll be Simmons a couple of months ago, and he was raving about how much the Seattle fans is like the best group fancies ever played in front of, and then he was as if Seattle has another team, would you think about going back? And of course think about it. But like. Seattle fans deserve a team that is retained the way to people from Seattle. They talk about their Seattle fans. They love you Jamal coffee saying a whole bunch of that of Hebrew supported the community and everything got a lot of ballers. See, I've got a lot of ballers. Gets it is ESPN's power, rankings, preseason power, rankings. I'm gonna say it seems to agree to disagree and then we can move to the next thing. Number one don't say warriors. There's no argument. Got it. Now. Number two, the Boston Celtics. Number three, the Houston Rockets. Number four, it's raptors had this, what's savings higher? Would you lesson. Well, you don't be very disappointed with this stops in if you think the Lakers is to be number four accords. This is this is ESPN so we can talk bad about. I would put the RAB house. I'll put the rub just hired in the rockets are they should be flopped. The reason I wanted to. I'm just going off on paper with some of these things. We don't have no gauge, but rice training camp. Power ranking Brock is become a little bit more about them number five. Okay. See thunder. Solid. Let's hard to low to her. I don't need best team in a Li. You put about. The jazz jazz number six. The Lakers. Let's see what other things that was. I mean, the Sixers of the Sixers, they are. Oh, the Celtics. Okay. Sixers. Okay. Okay. Argue. K. argue it's maybe the Spurs Spurs to. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go to the Spurs is such a weird. I can't gauge their by the beef. Fair number six saves Utah. Jazz number seven. The seventy Sixers number eight. The Pacers looking. I'm surprised nobody had a reaction to the Pacers be a number eight. I'm gonna go. I don't know what they expect laugh at that. Nine, the Lakers pays over the Lakers and number ten is their favorite team. Portland trailblazers. Oh, you gotta look Tingler film is like he's surprised that they made. I wouldn't put the top two because you said that they may not even make the playoffs this year. The fact that they're top tier very positive Bill possibility, but like there's also a chance to be. Yes. They can either they don't make some people look stupid, eat, they words, it's real fun, but they above the Spurs which is crying crazy. The lakes, didn't they right below the Lakers. So that's interesting. ESPN what we got an x. peop-. Cat for no care. That's all we get. The top team in here with a nuggets. We only got tops here are only have the top say, graphic, I'm sure they have the four list somewhere out there. I can look it up real quick to nuggets team. You can start your capital cap while we wait capital Kathy's hose for the people that don't on his. No, because we do have new viewers. The house highlights and I knew in devas to get us on a big platform, capital cabinets, basically a situation where I'm going to ask my fellow Kohl's some questions around a couple of topics, and they're going to say cap, which means they don't agree, and it's a lie or no cap was massachu- so instance, I will say the bulls are going to be the first seed in east and you say noca-, can you believe it? It's one hundred percent. Okay. We go. We go. Okay. So number eleven. We had the Milwaukee Bucks nuggets. Number twelve. Pelicans for the nuggets aside, not those wash fourteen exactly where they were last year fifteen. We got the Spurs middle of the pack. Again, I don't know how to gauge the Spurs this year paces in the big at the pace is about the wizards like they do. Pretty Minnesota Timberwolves at sixteen. That's gonna change depending on what they get out. Cold team. Yeah, for sure. Without Jimmy were pretty bad without they, they don't get something for cool like fun to watch. Like winning games. What they get back. We don't know whether they're going back air gourd. Erik Gordon, we've got update Rondo is going to start at a Lakers at the beginning of the season. Right. To put it out. What I was reading the same. During the on. Because if you if you see me or us checking our phone during the show because we like laugh tweets, Mike Sheahan Justa, Jimmy Butler still on the market baby. If it happened, you don't get like Lavery action for us. You said, if they get area or you take. He doesn't. He doesn't impact a game like Jimmy Butler. Do. I still he fit after he fit eleven better than the offense. But who cares. I one for capital cab. This is Greek fees. You Evy. No cap. You can't. I'm going you give me a reason why ya'll thing, because there's a Kuwadzana better situation for his things going to be better. He's gonna elevate his team war neurons. LeBron's also on a team, what he's going to elevate them more them in a better situation to Cinderella stories. These Brian Kovach LeBron even going out west Cohen, new situation, we never seen him before they put up the Nari numbers, but basically there's but Greek free. When been real good, what if they they? They were supposed to be real good lesson. He started off high. They supposed to be real good. He, yes, he was. Have at they rank right here. Baby injury. Yeah, but he also started off on. They had last year. They were ranked sixteenth, getting in the season. So they were half a little less than average right there. Then they ended up in the middle of this season. And they finish the barely. No, that's that's. That's exactly what sixteen is right? The sixteenth team will be the eight seed and had a coach, fire firing of the coach was always plays the park. So. Booting whole. He's just my VP big for this year as of right now. So that's what I'm saying. No cap. Understandable. Like top twenty. In the west top, who owe you cap cast would then this the top twenty? Yeah. No chance with the second season, the list, there's a chance. Lebron. That's gonna be in VP's seasonal Brunton. He's gonna win, VP of to seize. So you agree or happened. Okay, I agree. There's a chance. So as a cap? No, if the camper. No cat. Okay. You cap him. Yesterday was Anthony Davis, last media as. Oh. You kept him. I think he. Because they're going to have to trade him in order to get rid of because. But the reason I XE because we've seen a lot of guys and he just wouldn't management do the. I got one year left and let me flick my muscles to have leverage the pre agency. Jimmy, the pond, do we see like the reason I'm saying that he's just takes me as the loyal type. The fact like they took a chance to me at the first overall pick when there really wasn't the best player in the draft class. The fan, the fans are cool. So I wanna I wanna build here when reality like dog there. Anything he went to class because they don't play it. They, they signed guys to move them. They about who have these nine whose is like Paul, Carl, Carl, pope, yet on the agency's Simmons Thompson, got his bag. They own. De ngelo Russell what the end that I mean takes a big jump to see capital cab. I'll be waiting. You can't capping opening both of them. I said, or, oh, I'm thinking cap because that will be both jump is very rare in this league. So that's why I say you cat. I did video actually not being a definitely do it. I think he has the pieces around him where he can actually be productive, twenty point plus score. See, I think that the has Russell has higher change because of his situation under the chance to break us don't say, even if we don't say on the job because he'd be become in this position and play up right chance to be an also, they might even they might not be there and the conversation. In that case, you're not capping because I mean, Easter conference and the conference kinda sucks. But for these dues, these common got out of that. Yeah. Hey, was back. Be Simmons Correa's healthy. I made a video yesterday Bill, John all like I made a video yesterday satellite the player on each team that could have the breakout season and he ends Russell was number one on my list. Like he just sold sue of his people that were drafting Saint draft class guard, and it sounds Devon Booker get that bag. And he still be able to tip on his shoulder. Like I deserve big money too. So let me play like I deserve big because I think his career is that unfair star, even or life isn't fair, but rookie your head, Colby with the farewell tour. And then the Nick young thing happened. And then he was playing on the Byron, Scott who hates rookies in a second year, brain coaching them and a new staff who didn't draft him, then h traded. And so they can go get the guy Lonzo. And so he kind of playing catch up, opposed his peers like car on the town's Devon Booker. Jason Tatum makes the Celtics his team. This year cap capping, Gavin Kyrie's thing. Doesn't. There's no question. I read the best player on that carried you anything to that knee heel? Oh, well, yeah, carries hurt the NIA and not even like like any signs of like. Unassured. Then as they plan them games days, Jason Tatum I think it's still a bit too early for it to be his team. Maybe it's three, maybe four. But I mean, he surprises because he's a prize me last year. So I'm gonna say you cap and as of right now, but who knows what's going to happen? Did you say banning stocking Kimmel, walk vendors season on? I know we all this. We, I think we access whether you'd be trading, but like is this crazy. He will be hornet. He will be a horn Schwann signs of trading, no, no rumors. Nothing for that contract. He will be a hornet this last year. This last year, he will be a horn at the end of the season and you'll probably resign if he resigned. I'm probably Asian if you sign. Yeah, new everything. Already said like he moved his whole family to Charlotte and he don't wanna move that again. I know he does. But honestly, that will be the situation I gave him the most money. So if he was chasing that bag Charlotte way to resign to like what team out there is going to give him good, good, good money that really need a point guard. I mean, Orlando, Magic. I don't know if they even have good money to offer at. No air promise future. Their future looks brighter. I like them like some of this consented with in again who go money, there's no money there saying the minimum you can continue. Jimmy bothers traded to a contender cap or no cap, meaning rafters. The rockets blazers. I, I haven't. Talk. Not even in the heat out onto say, he makes them that much, but I think he makes a lot of teams every team that much better. Because it has reading the eggs because it's list wasn't contender team right clippers Knicks, but the most aggressive teams have been contended, air Curran county, conceive of the heat ain't a contender, but playoff team. So. Lauren into a last year playoff team. I would say no cap. Yeah, I think that's it. No Kip. Yeah. I think the Miami Heat are. I think he's going to be a heat. I think he's going to be hito or. No. I can't say that because I was LeBron tame really, I think he's going to be a part of the Miami Lucy. That just makes them so good. The pieces to tree they do. I think they really do, but they give up one of their best assets. Was that depth that they have in Toronto. Outrage anybody and Coa again, Larry and you give them, as you said about Lori on this podcast. He's never done it though. 'cause like last week I asked him, why are you ask them? Say he said, no, I'm not saying that. Gobi at all thirty one all star weekend car. Larry on a boating. Him though, don't buy back this, whatever, bro, you don't know smoke those next. Digging is big account lowered. So. I know he acts by Greek, forgive me. Yeah. Well, we have a new MVP this year. A new guy was never wanted like we did last year hard and. I'm still no no cap because I got Coa. Okay. I'm gonna go say no care sound the, but that's my VP Emiko where so we care what you say, knowing what would prefer to see is the stone. Okay. Prefer Coa quasi muga always been seeing. I really for me, it doesn't really matter. 'cause every year could be LeBron little yard. It is this Brian this year. I'm not going to be upset. I don't care who wins. I just won't be right person to win deserved it the most no matter what he has to me. Well, we got koala returns to MVP candidacy and leaves the riper almost. No cap. No new cabin. So he's MVP pig, but not. It's yourself. The bit overall team, but that's not what seat is about. But I'm saying that in the regular season, they're going to be better team. Let's be real brass. He was wanting to carry just because he say, you know, you know, he'll saw and lose that game to goes off. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I still think that the Toronto asked me to see that don't necessarily mean I go win at all just because you're the number one number two number two. But the raptors team not? No. I'm not saying capital cap, see Land Day in finishing they will. They will know Cam, they're going to finish as much as we unless they treat CJ, Jim less less less nor that dream Derek. What like they have the guard that the wolves will like to have your. I agree with you. There will be a good trade for both sides, but realistically, I don't know if that's going to happen, they can. They can, but I don't think Mavericks are playoff team, captain Hart hill. You already tense. You already, you said earlier that you did their playoff team, they can make it, but. Any team can make the playoffs? Yeah, they have the possibility to guess. Two percent chance? No, I'm not going to go out and fully say like, yeah, d- are guaranteed playoff guarantees. The often often Gandhi, yes. You can't hear the stream to make the playoffs. There is more made. The playoffs goes on a final. There's like twelve teams that are better than Eastern Conference, so we can silence his critics would have bounceback season cab burned. Okay. What. Bounceback season before twenty points to sixteen on saying shots. So I mean down stacked will go back to them to twentieth Jimmy go, he most leaving. He's got to get the. New naked, you'd like. But I think that a lot of criticism is that he doesn't help CB better. So even if he jumps up to twenty points per game, but the team, this is the play offs. I don't think that's a bounce back season because they still trash is him going back, but he will be balanced by Z's having a better season last year while of course hoping the team, like if he is. You know twenty five is still the same problems and it's not really about seeing. I'm rooting for him, but I don't think that's gonna happen. So I'm saying mankind glasses going to be on him. We don't want to be on this year. So I want I would love for that to happen, but I don't believe it will. So I'm gonna say you cap magnifying asking you to Jin presents assists out the entire year capital cat. He's still is not out the window. That's why. So is still a possibility because if he's open to it himself and I think it can happen no cap. No cap. Let's go tank. Go get another hot pack draft pick, but and there's cancer said the players make nipples hard. So maybe they wanna content. At some point this season. Okay. Noca- they going. I think they're experiment with it a couple of times, see how Apax there. There will taste and stuff. So they're gonna put jewelry in the star James, and it's probably PJ Tucker at the four. Because I mean they got need that wing defense. James Innes is a better definitive mellow for sure. Tatum or coups takes a step back this either capital cat. I think who's moves the more likely candidate because he's gonna be coming off the bench and most likely. But step back statistically, don't really mean that's how bad thing you're talking about points per game. Maybe it'll cool move a step back and game. We step back again because I mean coups obscene state of right James. Then the next thing I think you, I think all three players will continue to follow it. Still going to have the opportunities probably go down to near. NIA happen out of a miserable. Donald Michie elevate not the. He's an his team. He he has confidence and skill to really opportunity to bet that he'll out of Asher or say like saying, stay the same. Yeah, he's really good, twenty two, five and five. So. Twenty twenty five now. You can get up to the twenty three. Kevin love season as a cavalier, we got loud, it's going to be a lot of move. Eight is getting under saying no cap. I'm gonna go, no cat. You're not getting. He probably will. They got him locked up for like four years. Yeah, that's right. Next year I have anything because you can't. You'll have have the buying. Local you don't worry about and signing with them. Marquel folks shot is fixed and he plays like a lottery pick for the seventy six. Happen, bro. Happy about all the Marquel fold stock by the way I'm high Omarosa say or not say it's gonna be a star obviously, but like any production is gonna help that team you and I'm going to say you're not, how'd you know this cabinet right? Define what you mean by lottery? Pig. Just take that assets can be productive. Productive. To get your not didn't boast about stuck like a month ago, June behavior, Dan stock bowling. I watched him in washed. I'd have lots of. You'll catch the myth is play thing. You capping hard to. That's a big camp. I liked it. Stay healthy. Could be really good to what stared vein depth like though, like their bins is not. It's not going to be very good one, two punch mortgage slow, and I got a bunch of guys like, do they like to do? Maybe they, they definitely Bill into their culture as I would. Devan and market soul jeering Jackson cow end singer temple. The reason I say you cap, and again, there's ten teams that are fighting for eight seeds right now, and I don't think they're one of the ten teams. We know what the served. I don't even think they have their pick this year either. It's not going to be not m- has AC's, and that's one hundred percent health so long as they stay, especially the Memphis grizzlies definitely never got one hundred percent. Two. Stay on course, somebody drop. You know what I'm saying? And they have an eight team. I really do you gonna be watching them this year. No, no, there's no. There's no reason to channel partners to would even mentioned Salem. To be my guy Charron Parsons play very well in the town that he played. Unless you go do some research. Y'all got suppressing the reason I get as as he Super Bowl paid. When when he was playing. I don't even know if that's true. They paid him like he's a well. It was two thousand sixteen. It was a minute ago. I guess the most for watching this episode of the wire, if you didn't enjoy, sits, leave it a like and subscribe to house highlights tone on a little bail. So you can know when the episodes of me much media day, we immediately wounded media for what team. He's gonna be dating be taken. He probably leave me day in one room. What. No, but like super did sit now some of the writers to different places like Taylor rooks was in Toronto. I want to be. Anywhere for the first time I will be in the worst team in the league semi to Orlando of you need. I don't have a lot of fun and them on over to send me got the Knicks sorts on right now. Fresh off practice, unique. We own. Meal ear. Starlight lounge presents an evening progressive box. What a great honor stem. The lights for this next one too much there. It is got to get things just right. Like progressives name your price tool. Tell us what you want to pay and we help you find coverage options that your budget and now the movies, right. Wait, the lights are back on again, tree can you? And now it's completely dark, progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law.
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