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Southwest vs American - The Darling of Deregulation | 4

Business Wars

29:36 min | 2 years ago

Southwest vs American - The Darling of Deregulation | 4

"June twenty seven nineteen seventy seven. It's a banner day, Southwest Airlines trading on the new York Stock Exchange. For the first time it's listed under the symbol, l UV a nod to its home airport code for Dallas's love. Veal spirits are high and rising. Why shouldn't they be the airline is debt free and profitable. It's got nine planes cruising the skies of Texas. And as of this day, five million passengers aboard, south west, south west, still only operates inside Texas where it doesn't have to worry about federal regulations that govern other airlines flying between states. But now Washington is looking to deregulate the industry and the other airlines are sensing downdraft without regulation that protects big carriers, high fares upstarts like southwest could be a threat. Still southwest airline CEO, Lamar muse isn't popping. Champagne instead veins are popping out on his forehead. He squabbling with rollin king southwest spout, her board member and chief pilot. They fight over the growth and direction of company, and it intensifies for a year. Finally on March twenty fourth nineteen, seventy eight. It boils over Southwest's corporate attorney. Herb Kelleher gets a call from king her Lamar's a frigging nightmare. He wants to double out west split to fourteen plane, just insane, and he wants to start a subsidiary in Chicago that he wants to call mid way southwest and he wants his son, Mike, his son to run it. This will over stretches and jeopardise southwest. Herb. You gotta stop him. Rollin Lamar's looking to do some aggressive things. I know Kelleher secretary walks into Keller's office, but I heard hang on a second Kelleher, puts his hand over the phone as he waits to learn why the secretaries interrupting Lamar muse is on the other line. Kelleher, smacks is for hit. He's been the go-between in nearly all of the squabbles between king and muse for eighteen months now and Keller is reaching his limit look around and we'll take care of this at the next board meeting. Okay. Sorry, I'm gonna have to call you back. After trying to talk both muse and king off the ledge Kelleher, this exhausted, he sits at his desk for a moment, his shoulders hunched and his eyes closed. He gets up and walks to a secretary's desk. I can't be the referee in nonstop sparring match anymore. I love this airline Baronne and Lamar gonna destroy it from within. I can't stop. I give up. Kelleher worked like a dog with these two men to get southwest aloft, but it just feels like too much. Now he was a deep sigh and look sadly to a secretary. Let's draft a letter to the board. That afternoon. Each member of the board receives a telegram from Kelleher informing them that he is resigning. He is ready to move on. Kelleher heads to the airport to catch a flight to Houston to work on a case for another client as he's boarding, he's unaware that Lamar muse has drafted his own letter to the board that same afternoon, it reads, I hear with offer my resignation as an employee of Southwest Airlines, just when the sky appears to be the limit for southwest two of the three men most responsible for its success have quit, and it's not like southwest can continue to ascend on autopilot. Someone has to take over the controls, but who. We're well into the summer months now. And if you're feeling stressed because you waited too long to book that vacation that I have great news for you hotel tonight is an app that partners with awesome top rated hotels to help them sell their on, sold rooms, which means you get incredible deals and they only work with hotels. They think you'll love my friends found out what I did. They're saving hundreds on their trips and finding a great selection of rooms with hotel tonight. If you can save all this money, why use anything else hotel tonight is great for booking last minute. But if you're a planner, the mishap is for you to because even though the name is hotel tonight, you can actually book in advance whether you're booking your summer vacation a place to hang out by the pool, spontaneous weekend getaways stations road trips, business trips. Well, this is the place to do it. You can book a room intense. Seconds. All it takes his three taps and swipe. So to start getting really great deals at great hotels for this summer and beyond. Check out the hotel tonight app right now and with promo code biz wars, you can get twenty five dollars off. Your first eligible booking. That's promo code biz wars be is e. w. a. r. s. to get twenty five dollars off your first eligible booking. From wondering, I'm David Brown, and this is business. You're listening to the fourth installment in our Southwest Airlines versus American Airlines series. The darling of deregulation in our last episode, American Airlines best its rivals by rolling out the first industry-wide computerized reservation system and terminal a system. Other carriers will have to pay American to join. Southwest Airlines won a huge victory to a legal won a federal grand jury indicted. It's two chief rivals on charges of conspiring to put south west out of business. Southwest should be gliding, but the infighting is creating a drag on the airline things are moving so quickly that the board doesn't even realize both Lamar muse and herb Keller have resigned. Get Kelleher telegram. I and their first reaction is to send a letter to muse instructing him not to. Except Keller his resignation until they've had a chance to talk to him muses confused. What about my resignation? He thinks his notice was actually a thinly veiled ultimatum. Either you fire rollin rile walk. When news, here's of Keller's resignation, he interprets it as a ploy. He thinks that Kelleher must be supporting his effort to force the board cut Rawling king loose. The board calls for a special meeting at rollin kings office at love field. It's a small room with a lot of people in it, including news, they get down to business, no chitchat. First up, John merkin a part owner of the Super Bowl champion, Dallas Cowboys and one of Southwest's first investors. The first thing we need to do is to accept Lamar's, resignation, music, shocked. He's thinking, wait what the board is letting me go instead of king fury in heard overwhelm us. He suddenly realizes that king has swayed the board members to his point of view that muse is leading southwest in the wrong direction. Views gets up suddenly. Oh yeah. This is the way you feel you don't need me in here anymore. After moose storms out aboard, member grabs a phone. I need to speak with herb Kelleher Arado way. Oh, he's in Houston. Okay, fine. Patch me through to Gela here herb. We have a real emergency. You better get up here right away. There's a one pm board meeting. We need you. The airline needs you'd be at the meeting John. This is a bit awkward. Didn't you get my resignation? We did and we don't accept it. Now Keller has got a pretty good idea what this is all about, but he has no clue how it will unfold. He's only brought one extra suit with him to Houston, and he figures he'll need to keep it pressed if this emergency drags on for a few days. So he heads to the crew closet in the back of the seven thirty seven quietly hangs up his suit a southwest hostess spots. Him, sir. You can't hang that here. That's for crew only. Oh, it's okay. I'm I'm actually the corporate council for south west airlines. Oh, sure you are. And on the king of Siam. Now you gotta store that somewhere else, sir. Back at love field days, Lamar muse calls his wife after leaving the board meeting, Honey, you need to come down to the office and pick me up. I can't drive the company car anymore bore. Just let me go when Kelleher arrives in Dallas, the board reconvenes. But before they go any further, there's some business he wants to take care of now, listen everyone. Why in God's name would you let the Margot he's done a terrific job. Look, let me talk to him. I think we can resolve this somehow. The board reluctantly agrees, but Keller can't find Mu's. His wife is already picked him up. He's gone. The directors take his departure as a final gesture that he wants out. The unanimously vote to oust muse Kelleher abstains. Now there's the question of succession. Assuming he's about to be offered. The helm of the company and excited king begins to stand up ready to accept the role as he gets to his feet. One board member doesn't even glance at king. Instead, he turns to herb Kelleher her, you have to be the chairman and CEO. King sits back down crestfallen. He knows how warmly the board regards competent and personable Keller. Frankly, he just can't bring himself to start another fight. Kelleher, we'll Kelleher is also caught off guard way me. I've barely worked on internal operations here a flight attendant today didn't even recognize me. I'm a lawyer. He pauses for a moment and thinks well, yes, maybe could be chairman, but at least for awhile we're going to need to bring in a professional airline executive CEO. Okay. All in favor of her becoming chairman. Southwest Airlines is now in herbs hands. At American Airlines CEO Al Casey is meeting with his top executives, including Bob Crandall. His director of marketing Casey explains that the company is in a dire situation. American Airlines revenues arising. That's the end of the good news. American has sunk one hundred million dollars into its computerized saber reservation at work in terminal system in the offices of more than one hundred thirty top travel agents. It'll take years to recover that investment. An American doesn't have that kind of time as bleak as it is. That's not even the biggest problem that would be deregulation. Like the other regulated carriers American competes by flying routes that other carriers don't. The big carriers just stay out of each other's way. American might say, fly more direct flights between New York and Los Angeles than United, for instance, or offer a class of service. Maybe a lobster dinner on board or piano lounge in coach class on seven forty seven jets, and it charges premium fares for all this all permitted under regulation. But deregulation threatens to reduce the distinctions between carriers to one common denominator, price, whoever can afford to charge the least will win. And that's just the killer scenario that worries, Casey, David, -regulation we're going to have to cut fares to compete and if that wasn't bad enough. Well, to be Frank, we're out of money and we're in debt. So if we're gonna. Survive. We need to raise money. Yeah. Yes. The situation is that dire. The board leaves the meeting, worried. Casey is desperate to find ways to save money. And then he has an idea. He heads to the airport at Dallas Fort Worth or DFW to meet with an airport official. They shake hands cordially, and then retreat to an office. The sound of jets taking off the distance. Listen, I'm thinking of moving some of Americans operations from New York to a new office building. DFW might save some money for sure. I'll when y'all gonna move all of Americans operations to DFW. Casey snaps, his briefcase shut and stands to leave. Tell you what? Why don't you just make me an offer or the next hour? Casey and the official haggle over relocation terms, the cities of Dallas Fort Worth, as well as the DFW airport. Authority will issue. One hundred forty, seven million dollars worth of bonds to build Americans new headquarters. They've agreed to lease the facility to the airline tax free at a rate just high enough to pay off the bonds. Casey does some calculations on the spot. All right, so that, yeah, that'll save us about two hundred million over the next twenty years. Yeah, this is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Yes, sir. We've got a deal. In the summer of nineteen seventy eight. The Senate passes the airline deregulation Bill as it makes its way through the house, the news of American Airlines impending move to DFW leaks to the press. Just as Casey is in Dallas touring potential headquarters sites in Texas. He's hailed as a hero when he returns to Manhattan. His secretary warns him that a different kind of greeting await simp-. The mayor of New York is called six times. He urgently wants to meet with you. He's very angry about us leaving the city a day later, New York Mayor Ed Koch, and New York City's entire congressional delegation cram into Casey's e side office. Casey New York will match DFW's financial incentives. We can also offer deeply discounted prime office space in the World Trade Center Koch leans back in his chair, confident that he will bring Casey. Around Mr Mayor that's generous, but there's something you can't offer that Texas can deregulation is clearly coming and in a deregulated world, we're going to need this kind of political clout to protect us. Texas has that and New York doesn't consider this. The majority leader of the house has a congressional district that includes DFW airport, Mr., Casey, then you're telling me you're just going to abandon New York for a few dollars and a few political points. If so, you're also betraying this city. Maybe conscious purposely missing the point. Doesn't matter. Casey has had enough. He walks to his office door and hold it. Open gentlemen. This meeting is over. American package bags American will fly into the deregulated skies from Dallas that puts them right into the flight path of the airline that is best prepared for deregulation. Southwest Airlines. When was the last time you used net flicks or another streaming service, thousands of movies and TV shows at your fingertips twenty years ago. It took a lot more work to watch a movie. But today, convenience is king. We choose convenient businesses daily, and they're some of the world's most dominant brands with podium. You don't have to be an app or online business to be a convenient business. Podium helps all kinds of companies big and small become easy to find choose and connect with. Here's how it works through podium. Customers can get in touch with your business. Ask questions, schedule appointments, leave online reviews, and more all via text. 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Thirtieth twenty eight teen that number again one eight eight eight two one zero zero two, three, seven, and don't forget to mention business wars. It's just before midnight on October nineteenth nineteen Seventy-eight in Washington. At this late hour rowdy bar crawlers cruising through the streets music blaring, but traffic slows to a crawl at the inexplicable side of about two dozen people dressed in business attire lined up on the sidewalk outside the civil aeronautics board. In five days president, Jimmy Carter is expected to sign the airline deregulation act of nineteen seventy eight, which has passed the Senate and house with bipartisan support. One day later, the c. a. b. the regulatory body that has governed the airline industry for four decades. We'll take applications from airlines for new routes. They wanna serve routes where they'll face open competition on price. For the first time, the applications will be taken on a first come for serve basis. That's why tonight almost two dozen airline representatives have essentially camped out on the streets of DC their place holders, others dress, just like them. We'll take their place many times in the days before they actually hand the c. a. b. they're requested routes. Some try to Chit chat to pass the time from braniff you wit American more routes you guys trying to get why. Rates. I'm not telling you anything that's a trade secret pal. When the doors do finally open, there's a mad confused. Gold rush for routes the airlines claim. One thousand two hundred ninety two routes most of which are not currently served by any carrier. Braniff alone claims the right to serve six hundred different routes across the country. Deregulation has certainly arrived, but no one is exactly sure what it'll mean. Even southwest. The so-called darling of deregulation is cautious about expansion. Southwest's new CEO Howard Putnam a former United executive hired Keller her suggestion after Kelleher refused to be both CEO and chairman after Musa's resignation decides to apply for a single new route Putnam also shelves, Lamar muses plan to double the size of the airline by opening a subsidiary flying for midway airport in Chicago. Putnam's less concerned about the regulators. Then he is about over expansion his thinking just because southwest can fly anywhere it wants. Doesn't mean it should. Other airlines are still grabbing up as many routes as they can January of nineteen seventy nine, but southwest applies for an additional new route Dallas to New Orleans. Then something odd happens Representative. Jim Wright, the house majority leader begins hearings aimed at creating Bill, banning all interstate service from one airport in the whole country. Southwest's home base of love field. It's suspicious on the face of it Putnam as blindsided. He huddles with Keller herb helped me understand the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth who owned DFW airport still want to force us to move to DFT. W, right? Yeah. The FW is in Jim Reich's district. So he's going to protect DFW interests and braniff, and American Airlines are headquartered at DFW, so they're going to be beneficiaries. If we by law can't fly anywhere in the country out of love. We can't fully compete with flights out of DFW. They can go everywhere. So we're servicing eight cities in Texas and it's no problem. But if we operate out of love field somehow that violates the law, this stinks, we're not lying down for this herb. Let's go beat them in congress. Kelleher gets on a flight. An American Airlines flight out of BF WLS and heads to Washington to have lunch with Oregon Senator Bob Packwood. They go way back. He's a friend and former classmate from NYU law school. Bob, this is so wrong. You know that the competition has been suing for nine years to get us out of love field, right? We've always want now we have to fight to be able to fly out of state from love field. Hell this isn't just anticompetitive. It's legal harassment. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. I'll tell you what her, I'll do everything I can to help you. I didn't vote to deregulate the airlines just so we can start regulating individual airports. I can promise you her by can promise you right now all block every piece of aviation legislation coming out of the house until we get this settle. I'm going to be a thorn in Jim right side and he is sure enough rights Bill languishes as the standoff between the two chambers goes on Arizona's no nonsense Senator Barry Goldwater Wade's in. I think we're acting like a bunch of yoyos. Why can't people just fly to the air. They want to fly to what the hell is going on. Eventually Kelleher himself, it's down with right and hammers out a compromise. Southwest can fly nonstop from love field to cities within Texas and within the four states contiguous to Texas. But before the deal is sealed, right, asks herb for a pledge hard. Once this law is in place, I have to know that you won't sued undo it. You understand congressman, I promise you that Southwest Airlines will remain forever passionately neutral on this issue. I understand that we're politically outgunned on this and I won't sue on February fifteenth. President Carter signs the compromise into law. It's called the Wright amendment. Southwest has lost some of its edge at love field, but just as it's competitors, start working their advantage at the. FW airport, southwest deploys a new weapon that surprisingly powerful against the competition. The once resigned then re conscripted herb Kelleher as incredibly effective brand spokesman in the next episode of south west versus American Airlines Americans, Bob Crandall devises a strategy to snuff out rivals, but like some kind of zombie airline that refuses to die. Southwest keeps coming at American and makes it bleed. From wondering, this is business wars. We hope you enjoyed this episode. Please subscribe on apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcasts, Stitcher. I heart radio over ever. You listen to podcasts, you'll find a link on the episode notes, just tap or swipe over the cover art. You'll also see some offers from our sponsors and we hope you can support our show by supporting them if you like what you've heard, we'd love it. If you could give us a five star rating until your friends, how to subscribe to another way to support us is answer a short survey at wondering dot com slash survey and tell us what business war stories you'd like to hear. 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WorkLife with Adam Grant

03:05 min | 1 year ago

Teaser: WorkLife Season 2

"I'm Adam grant, I'm an organizational psychologist. No, don't organiz closets. And definitely can't cure your OCD. I studied how to make work not suck. And I love learning from people who are especially good at them. Like this guy. This is herb Kelleher the founder and longtime CEO Southwest Airlines. And this recording is from the floor of boxing ring. A few years ago, south west got into a legal tangle with another airline over a slogan. They shared they didn't go to court. There was no loss of. Herman is rival CEO decided to arm wrestle for the rights to the tagline. The winner. What followed was a giant arena? Smackdown that you tons of press and raise money for charity, very much, not business as usual. But herb wasn't just a guy with a good nose for flashy photo ops. He had a lot of heart. He even wants the time to call a young, nobody an unknown. Professor says a grant is a herb Kelleher Southwest Airlines. Would you please give me a call to let me know his colleague was too sick to send me a minor Email? She owed me look forward to talking to you. Herb Kelleher was living proof that you don't have to check your heart or your sense of humor at the office door. Sadly her passed away at the beginning of the year to honor his legacy this season. I'm exploring ways to make work more, creative and more fun. What if you had more of that in your work life? This is season two of work life, my podcast with Ted inviting myself inside the minds of some truly unusual people who've mastered something I wish everyone knew about work like people who excel at making connections. Even when we all know networking can be a little awkward, a friend of mine thought, she was putting abundant appetizer in her mouth only to realize that it was a piece of their art to close friends who also happen to be ferocious Olympic rivals. We finished and I hear Chalene go was hard IT's blood. And then she goes, so awesome. As like, you know, what I'm going to find out. Exactly what I made sure like an Oscar winning director who deliberately recruits disgruntled people and turns them into innovation machines. I want racing cars that are spinning their wheels in a garage rather than racing you open that garage. And man, those people take you somewhere, and we'll search for the holy grail of workplaces the office without. Tolls. There's some evidence that it's a contagious disease that spreads don't work with them. And don't work for them work life season two launches March fifth. Subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you know, the drill. Podcast. What's the podcast?

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Southwest vs American - The Cult of Herb | 5

Business Wars

27:26 min | 2 years ago

Southwest vs American - The Cult of Herb | 5

"It's the morning of June eleventh nineteen. Eighty-one. Sixteen polished, aluminum, red, white, and blue jets shimmer in the Texas son as they fly in a line of Dallas Fort Worth international airport. The squadron descends one by one. Seven forty, seven maintained one seventy or eighty one seventy or knots American fifty, seven forty, seven. One eight clear to land American fifty. Nine eighty six eight left the morning. This is an unprecedented invasion. No airline has ever sent this many planes from this many different locations to one airport in such quick succession. Concourse, all traveling on American will to New York. LaGuardia. Your flight is ready for boarding to passengers get off the plane. It'd be back in the air and just a couple of hours headed for new destinations. The future of American Airlines has just derived in Dallas. It's a future summit. American didn't believe could happen just four months ago when company president, Bob Crandall executive team told Americans ground crews. They would bring the fleet in and send it back up multiple times a day, a revolt nearly broke out. It's a big shift airlines. Normally, scuba passengers from small markets and much like a commuter train, make multiple stops for passengers to get on. And off as the plane makes its way across the country. Grandma is keen on the hub and spoke model. He and his team believe it's more cost effective to bring passengers from smaller markets to a hub where passengers can be consolidated into fuller flights headed for other markets. Delta does that in Atlanta American wants that in Dallas, but with a much tighter Turner out window American is looking over its shoulder at delta, but it's real target is braniff the other airline based at Dallas Fort Worth or DFW. Under deregulation. Braniff expanded its roots exponentially, but Crandall knows they're critically strapped for cash and Volna Rable to direct competition. So when Crandall gathers his lieutenants, he makes his scorched earth mission crystal clear. I wanna crush braniff I wanna crush all the competition. That's what competition is all about. But Crandall has overlooked. One thing flying to those small Texas cities has put American directly in the flight path of another carrier, the highly profitable Southwest Airlines. The insurgent airline is always competed in unconventional ways. But at this point, southwest hasn't figured out how to grapple with America. It doesn't know yet, but it's about to weaponize her. We're well into the summer months now. And if you're feeling stressed because you waited too long to book that vacation that I have great news for you hotel tonight is an app that partners with awesome top rated hotels to help them sell their unsold rooms, which means you get incredible deals and they only worked with hotels. They think you'll love my friends found out what I did. They're saving hundreds on their trips and finding a great selection of rooms with hotel night. If you can save all this money. Why use anything else hotel tonight is great for booking last minute. But if you're a planner, the mishap is for you to because even though the name is hotel tonight, you can actually book in advance whether you're booking your summer vacation a place to hang out by the pool, spontaneous weekend getaways stations road trips, business trips. Well, this is the place to do it. You can book a room in ten seconds. All it takes his three taps and swipe. So to start getting really great deals at great hotels for this summer and beyond. Check out the hotel tonight app right now and with promo code biz wars, you can get twenty five dollars off. Your first eligible booking. That's promo code biz wars be is e w ARS to get twenty five dollars off your first eligible booking. From wondering, I'm David Brown, and this is business wars. You're listening to the fifth installment in our south west versus American airline series. The cult of herb. A quick warning that this episode contains some adult language. No. In our last episode, American Airlines decamp from its former headquarters in New York for Dallas to keep from going broke, and it's used powerful political allies to clip Southwest's wings. Southwest is confined to flying from its home base of love field just outside Dallas destinations within Texas and surrounding states American. Meanwhile, is free to fly anywhere and it benefits from the industry reservation system designed that no surprise favors American Airlines. These are mighty headwinds for southwest. It's June nineteen. Eighty-one just a few weeks after American has debuted its DFW hub. In a ballroom behind hotel. Southwest is celebrating the purchase of three brand new state of the art, Boeing, seven, thirty seven three hundred jets tomorrow moment. Herb Kelleher, southwest chairman steps up to a podium. Hello, everybody. This is a big deal for south west airlines. These new planes will save on fuel costs, making our already highly efficient airline, even more efficient than three hundred series is also seventy three percent. Quieter. I say quieter than the seven thirty seven two hundred series that southwest is flown since its inception. The audiences chuckling because Kelleher is alluding to grumbling by residents around love field who are unhappy with Southwest's increasingly busy noisy operation there takeoffs and landings at love have more than triple just nineteen seventy-four across town. DFW American Airlines gets complaints too, but in a television interview Crandall deflects the criticism, many takeoffs that produce the most noise come from runway. Thirteen alad DFW a plane. Taking off. There has to make a hard left turn. Iron Nause left turn to avoid getting into the airspace of flights from love field. If we didn't have this one airline operating flights love when everyone else is operating DFW that turned wouldn't be necessary. And the noise could be abated. But on August third nineteen Eighty-one the noisy skies over Dallas full quiet, not because of resident protests are new jet engines. No, because more than twelve thousand air traffic controllers have just gone on strike across the country. Seven thousand flights are canceled in Washington President, Reagan issues and ultimate them. It is for this reason that I'm tell those who failed to report for duty this morning. They are in violation of the law. And if they do not report for work within forty eight hours, they have forfeited their jobs and will be terminated two days. Later Reagan makes good on his threat. Commercial air traffic slows to a crawl, but within days thousands of air traffic supervisors and unionized controllers who did not strike get planes into the air. Again, traffic returns to something just short of normal. The difference the FAA is now issuing what it calls slots, the slots system rations takeoffs and landings, and that limits air traffic. But those lots are being doled out in a way that Kelleher considers arbitrary. The system limits, southwest and benefits American. He looks for a way to work the system and lands on a pretty crazy idea which it southwest means it's totally worth considering. He shares it with southwest CEO Howard Putnam lesson. Howard back in nineteen seventy seven. Before you got here, we incorporated a company called midway Southwest Airlines that was supposed to operate out of midway airport in Chicago and the n we'd bailed on the idea. But here's the thing. It's still a registered airline where the FAA. Now, what if we can resurrect midway southwest to get more slots for ourselves Putnam is a forty four year old straight talking. Iowa new grew up on a farm. He used to fly his father's j. three piper cub over the family fields. He thrives on competition and he loves the audacity of this idea does not waste time file the paperwork today, but the f.. AA tells Kelleher, if he's going to use midway southwest to get extra slots, the Chicago concern has to actually have flights there. Midway southwest is operational, but just barely. It consists of a man flying. Single Learjet Kelleher makes him an offer. I like to sell you are subsidiary company called midway southwest for a nominal fee. Now in return, you'll agree to Lisa's whatever slots the FAA gives you a midway airport, the operator nabs Keller's offer and the FAA issues slots to midway southwest which Kelleher snaps up. But within weeks, the ploy is discovered. Kelleher is summoned to Washington. He's busted. Lynn Helms. The administrator of the FAA closes the door of his office behind Kelleher. Listen, her Mike general counsel's office is really peeved about this. Midway thing I'm supposed to be telling you off right now, but honestly. I think this is Larry's. You've just taken advantage of the rules. Brilliant, but her don't get me in trouble when you walk out of here, I want you look like, I've just cleaned your clock. All right. As Kelleher leaves the office. He scowls in his jaw muscles, tents wants out of the building. He bursts out. Laughing is boy has been foiled, but he's had a good time trying to pull it off. Days. Later back in Dallas Kelleher is in a funk Putnam Southwest's CEO who was hired just three years ago has quit. He has a new job and not just any sky high executive job. But in the movie, the new CEO of braniff airlines company wants convicted along with its rivals of trying to legally four southwest out of business Putnam's betrayal hits Kelleher harder than he'd liked to admit. It's the morning of February first nineteen eighty-two before dawn. Granules running on his home, treadmill. He's cranked up hall and oats on his walkman. Crandall may be three package smoker, but he rarely misses his morning run. Granville wraps up his workout and heads to his kitchen. For breakfast, he opens the paper is stopped short by braniff ad. It's an attack on American. One of many braniff has launched in recent weeks. The two Dallas carriers are locked in a brutal fair war with deregulation. Braniff has entered dozens of new markets over extending itself. In the process. Deregulation also has allowed American to enter many brands markets using low fares to undercut braniff everywhere. The two airlines compete today, though brands at isn't touting lower fares. It's claiming to have a better on time record. Then American Crandall throws the paper to the floor. Bullshit. This is bullshit. They can't touch us on on time performance wanna give that cinema bitch, peace of mind. Crandall puts on a gray suit slips back his hair with Palmer. And races from his home to his office at DFW. He gets Howard Putnam on the phone. Howard I think is dumb as hell for Christ's sake. All right, to sit here and pound the shit out of each other. And neither one of us making a fucking dime. I mean, you know, God, damn what the hell is a point of it. Look Bob. Nobody asked her American to serve Harlingen. Nobody asked American to serve Kansas City and we were killing each other with low fares there too. You know about Howard DFW hub complex here and going to change their right. As no reason I can see put both American and braniff out of business, but we can both live here if we can squeeze out delta. There's a pause in the line, but in wonders, if Crandall is suggesting that they collude to drive other competitors out of business. Finally, putting them puts it to Crandall Robert. You have a suggestion for me. Yeah. Give braniff to raise God damn fares, twenty percent. I'll raise mine the next morning, Robert. You'll make more money and I will to Robert. We can't talk about pricing. You know that. Oh, bullshit. Howard we can talk about any goddamn thing we want to, but quickly ends the call and stops the recording. He secretly made of the conversation. Crandall has just suggested collusion with this tape. Putnam is locked and loaded, but he hesitates to pull the trigger and that will prove fatal. Braniff is seven hundred million dollars in debt and his laid off one quarter of its workforce. But instead of teaming up with American Putnam decides to attack his competitor, even harder he has sorely over estimated his hand. Two weeks later button, Amazon a flight from New York to Dallas, sitting in first class talking to brands lead adman. I'm getting damn sick of American making it seem like they've got the lowest fares. When do our commercials go on the air tomorrow and all the markets here. Listen to this radio spot. People's out walkman and hits play. Normally, American only gives you low and restricted fares when they face low-fare competition. And that's usually competition from breath. The ads help, but braniff is still bleeding money. So it enlists a cadre of well-known Dallas executives and celebrities in one TV spot, Tom Landry coach of the Dallas Cowboys looks into the camera. So join the fight five Ranna the Cowboys due on may twelve Crandall learns that Putnam has turned over a recording of their February call to federal antitrust officials. Crandall boards a flight to Los Angeles to meet with his attorneys. This could be bad, really bad for American. But powerful thunderstorms delay, takeoff while the plane remains grounded, the pilot walks back to Crandall first class seat. Mister Crandall just got a call from headquarters. Braniff is pushed back all its planes from the gate. They're telling employees to go home. Looks like they're shutting down lack. Dan open this door. I'm getting all eighteen months into deregulation. Braniff becomes the first major airline in America to declare bankruptcy. After braniff nosedive American Airlines hikes fares on every route where at once competed with braniff. Crandall has shot one competitor out of the sky, but if he's now going to take aim at Southwest Airlines and other low-fare competitors, he'll need an even more powerful weapon. And yes, he's already got something in the works. Long before southwestern American Airlines were battling it out in the business world Wilbur and Orville Wright, two brothers from Ohio dreamt of being the first aviators to successfully fly airplane on December seventeenth nineteen. Oh three. They made that dream a reality with a fifty nine second flight in Kitty Hawk North Carolina, that would change the course of history for ever. If you've got a dream, it's time to make it a reality. The easiest and quickest way to get started is by showcasing your work with a beautiful website from squarespace with squarespace, you can customize look and feel settings and more with just a few clicks. And if you get stuck or just need a little help square spaces, twenty four, seven customer support is there for you. 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After dust up with company, founder rollin, king muses, son, Mike started news air, but Lamar muse joined the carrier as fulltime CEO in late nineteen. Eighty four. The company was headed into a financial tailspin after years of mismanagement and price war on half a dozen routes with muses al-matar south west. He tried but ultimately couldn't navigate the company to calmer skies. Kelleher gets word that Muser which is known around southwest as revenge air has up a for sale. Sign and Kelleher wants to buy it. He invites Lamar muse over to his house for breakfast to see if he can strike a deal. God sakes her your terrible cook. You're a hell of a lot better. Make it got tails. They're right, Lamar, but let me ask you this. Would you rather be spending your time retired on your boat fishing for salmon off the Bank Hoover coast and seventy degree weather or being stuck here in hot as blazes Dallas running muse air. Honestly, I prefer the boat then the mar- let's talk numbers. They strike deal southwest will acquire it smaller rival, including its fleet of state of the art MD jets. It's valuable gates at Houston's hobby airport, and it's complete staff for seventy six million dollars for Kelleher, a lawyer with no business training. It's defining moment as CEO. He's made peace with an aggrieved former employees and he's executed a key transaction. The company's brief history, its first Akwa. -sition, but Kelleher starting to make an even deeper impression on south west personal one apart from his legal skills and his newfound business acumen Kelleher is well just plain likeable. So he's pressed into service to connect with the public. Kelleher appears TV ads for south west as the airline expands across the country folks warm up to her and his homespun irresistible charm. In one add, he's facing the camera while behind him, passengers are filling up the plane fast. When he hears the flight attendants closed the doors. He turns around and starts knocking on them calling out, hey, Kelleher here, the doors don't open. Now, Kelleher delights in the limelight and being playful. In fact, a lot of the employee's enjoy their moment in the spotlight with a hostage audience on board. Welcome aboard, Southwest Airlines to properly. Fasten your seatbelts slide, the flat end into the buckle and release lift up on the buckle position seatbelt tied and low on your hip. Just like by grandmother wears her support bra. If you are seated in an exit row, you must be able to handle the functions noted on the card and your seat back pocket in order to assist the crew in the event of an emergency. If you cannot perform these functions, please advise a crew member and they will receipt you. And if you simply do not give function, please let the crew member. No, and they will receipt you to onboard is Keller at the back of the plane where he prefers to sit. He turns to his seat mate. DNR flight attendants have been doing those kinds of Hannigan since nineteen seventy-one. It just happened one day on Southwest's first flight just after takeoff Kelleher asks flight attendant. If he can pass out peanuts to passengers as he goes through the cabin, some passenger starstruck. Ladies and gentlemen, we have an intern on board today who is going to help us with the inflight service, just call them herb because he won't answer to anything else. Kelleher walks down the aisle, stopping to chat with the Lubbock businessman now, sir. Would you care for peanuts Herve? I'd love some peanuts, but I gotta tell you are the ugliest flight attendant, I ever laid my eyes. A few days later when he's back in his Dallas office Kelleher recounts his in-flight fund. The company's corporate secretary, Colleen Barrett. She laughs and suddenly stopped short. You know her. I've been thinking, we've got something really special here with his culture of ours. We have to protect it. Now, neither of them realize it at the moment, but southwest is about to do more than protect its freewheeling culture. It's about to weaponize all those comedic flight announcements and other uniquely southwest personality quirks in ways its rivals will struggle and fail to match. In the next episode of southwest versus American Airlines, Bob Crandall bills the largest fleet in history and rolls out the biggest gun. The airline industry has ever seen a tech weapon that he uses to blast away low-fare competitors and southwest of southwest responds by unleashing the power of its people. From wondering, this is business wars. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Please subscribe on apple podcasts, Spotify Google podcast, Stitcher, iheart radio, or wherever you listen to podcasts, you find the link on the episode notes, just tap a swipe over the cover art. You'll also see some offers from our sponsors, and we hope you can support our show by supporting them. 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Southwest vs American - Free LUV | 6

"It's fall. Nine hundred eighty five. Thanks to deregulation. No frills knockoffs of southwest. Take to the skies, like crows new carriers start service from coast to coast, but some have trouble staying aloft about one hundred. Twenty airlines have gone out of business or filed for bankruptcy since the industry was deregulated in nineteen seventy eight. Among those successfully rising above the flock, his people express, it's buying plane's cheap, like secondhand clothes from bankrupt. Competitors like granite. It's an airline where mostly young employees own stock share jobs and manage themselves. If southwest is the author shucks airline people express seems like an airline run by new age hippies. The adult at the helm of the youthful airline is Donald. Ver a Harvard educated preppy. And it's no frills airline. Make southwest look posh by comparison passengers pay for luggage, even coughing fifty cents a Cup. They pay for their dirt cheap tickets in flight blue cost airline becomes the greyhound bus of the sky. In fact, it's tickets are cheaper than bus fares flights are packed, but the CEO of people express is about to get a wakeup call from an unexpected source. Hi, mom, what's up, we'll thanksgiving is coming up, so I just wanted to let you know I'm visiting your brother this year. I actually just booked my airplane ticket to go see him. I'm flying on American Airlines way. Mom, you what you booked a flight on American. Yes, they've got a great sale right now. It's all over the news, seventy percent off mom. You can fly free on people express when Burr hangs up. He feel sick. Yeah. His own mother is defecting to American. The airline has been growing explosively moving from second tier two airports in highly competitive markets, but to survive on such thin margins planes need to fly nearly full. And things have been getting ugly airports, people express customers are angry about chronic delays. Cancellations. Some began calling the airline people distress. American smells blood and circles. People express like it's a wounded bird. It aims to knock the star airline and others like it right out of the sky with low fares and dependable flights, and American has a huge technological edge. It's saber reservation system can accurately predict how many seats will be sold on any flight on any given day. Some seat sell for full price, but when Sabre's algorithms detected seats go unsold American quickly offered discounted fares to fill those spots. They dubbed the discounts ultimate super savers American CEO Bob Crandall is moving on another front to he's building new hub terminals at airports around the country at breathtaking speed. Adding on average one new plane thousand new workers to American every week. In early nineteen eighty-seven. Crandall and Southwest Airlines CEO herb Kelleher our in Washington for an industry conference. Someone asks Kelleher what it's like competing with Crandall. Well, I'll tell you being a Dallas right now with what's happening with American. It's not unlike being Finland in the shadow of Russia. Crandall smirks. He's not looking for a detente with southwest just yet as one important difference there. Unlike the Soviets right now, I reduce my arse all those hubs. All those planes. All important weapons to have when the economy is right side up for when things go, south Franco will face a frightening question, will the things that give the company strength suddenly become a liability. We're well into the summer months now. 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American charts, of course, to becoming the biggest smartest carrier in the sky, and they're both headed toward a final resolution in a fight for hometown air rights. It's eight. Oh five AM on August night. Nineteen eighty-seven. A Royal blue McDonald Douglas MDA is performing a low altitude fly by the terminal at Houston's hobby air the plane circles back then touches down, gently and taxis toward its gate. A flight attendant makes an announcement, the seventeen passengers on board ladies and gentlemen on trans star flight. Five, four, seven, welcome to Houston. This is the termination of our flight today and our airline. Thank you. Trans star is or was a subsidiary of Southwest Airlines. It was formed out of Muser. The airline begun by former southwest CEO Lamar muse Kelleher bought Musar in one thousand nine hundred five. It's been losing two million dollars a month with trans star, weighing on its books, southwest posts, its first money losing quarter since nineteen, seventy three southwest sells most of trans stars eighteen planes to Texas Air, thirteen hundred, trans star workers lose their jobs. Those who get offered jobs at southwest are in for a bit of a culture shock. They're shown a southwest orientation video for new employees. This show, but without. On the ground. Strange. Yeah, that's her doing a funky little rap. Who else? Southwest is now banking on fun rather than its early days of sex appeal. In the video flight attendants have ditched hot pants in favor of khaki shorts, where flights in nineteen seventy-one had a Las Vegas lounge vibe today. Southwest is more like a backyard barbecue in the air except with peanuts instead of brisket. By April nineteen Eighty-eight. Southwest decides to play up fun while it pushes down prices for years. Southwest kept its fair structures, simple. So as not to confuse passengers. But now southwest bows to the market pressures created by Americans ultimate super savers southwest introduces advanced purchase seats called funfairs. It looked like another boring month. He was going to rearrange his sock drawer. She thought they'd fixed the cat. Then they discovered Southwest Airlines funfairs soon. They were getting away from just nineteen dollars to all sorts of exciting cities. Seeing things their mothers had warned them about eating food. They couldn't pronounce laughing out loud for no apparent reason. Southwest Airlines, funfairs. If you've got nineteen dollars, they're available. Now, if not never. Crandall may have lowered the bar with his high tech fares, but southwest has just limbo right under it offering rock bottom rates that are half the price of Americans lowest fare. It's may twenty third nineteen eighty eight and Kelleher demonstrates he's not above a bit of huxterism. One of the Airlines, Boeing, seven, thirty-seven. Three hundred touches down in San Antonio. It's painted like Shamu the killer whale a top attraction at SeaWorld and it's named Shamu. One southwest is signed paid promotional partnership with the marine mammal part. The plane taxis to a set of air stairs on a corner of the tarmac, getting off the plane or five people wearing penguin suits. One is Keller. The others are the chairman of SeaWorld of Texas and the mayors of San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. They stand in their penguin suits in front of the seven thirty seven, which has just made its inaugural flight. They reinforce its image as the carrier that doesn't take itself too seriously. No kidding. The next day Bob Crandall the gruff Rhode Island, born CEO of American calls Keller. Her nice gimmick, but I do have one question for you. What are you gonna do with all the whale crap. Well, Bob, I'm gonna turn it into chocolate mousse and spoon feed it. All you Damn Yankees in Rhode Island. If you days later package arrives Crandall office, it's a three foot wide plastic tub filled with chocolate mousse in the middle of tub. There's a spoon in the shape of shampoo. The whale. Crandall laps and calls in his staff to eat up Keller's offering. He thinks to himself this crazy herb guys and half bad. At the moment. Crandall has plenty to smile about American is poised to become the number one air carrier in the country best in United in total domestic market share. It also has the biggest fleet and the most employees of any airline eighty thousand workers. It's late in nine hundred nine in calling Barrett, the corporate secretary of southwest and keeper of Kelleher schedule. He's notoriously disorganized is in her office with a team of her direct reports. The writing responses to letters from customers. One part of Barrett's work to reinforce the company's friendly culture. Today. A couple of hundred letters are stacked up on Barrett's desk. She's a chain smoker, like our boss, and she takes a long drag on barklay while reading one of the letters. Oh my gosh. Well, you look at this one. This is from a customer and V-neck. She was on a plane recently and says, this grey haired man got up from his seat and ask the flight attendant. If he could help her pass out peanuts, she's talking about her. She has no idea. Look, she writes, I just think it is so nice that Southwest Airlines is giving work opportunities to elderly people. American may have it size algorithms, but Southwest's corporate culture has definitely created something unique. As the decade rolls on Southwest's competitors. Also try to give that loving feeling to passengers and that would be all well and good if it weren't for the turbulence in the new decade ahead. America awakes to the drumbeats of war, sending oil and gas prices up and markets down. 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My heart desires and then switch over to pretty much anything else I want because with apple music, I get over fifty million songs ad free and get this. If you go to apple music dot com, slash BW, you can get your first three months for free. There's no obligation and you can cancel at anytime. So find your next album to put on repeat by visiting apple music dot com. Slash BW and get your first three months, free apple music dot com. Slash BW. January sixteenth nineteen Ninety-one. The United States has begun an aerial bombardment of arrived five months ago Sadam Assane started this cruel war against Kuwait. Tonight the battle has been joined. The Gulf war has already rattled markets in sent the price of crude oil skyrocketing. A global recession is underway, but Southwest's loyal employees come to the company's rescue agreeing to have money withdrawn from their paychecks to help the company cover rising fuel costs, the gestures big, but its impact on the bottom line is not steal. Southwest's leadership manages planning for two major economic shocks per decade. When this one arrives, they've already Inc long term contracts to buy fuel at locked in prices price. Is lower than those found during the Gulf war that helps southwest become the only big airline that makes money in these years. For most other major airlines, the economic crisis is financially crushing. The biggest carriers have followed American Airlines lead in recent years by investing in new planes hiring new workers and building new hub terminals at airports around the country. Now with all that new capacity available planes are flying empty. Reading start spilling across the big carriers balance sheets and bad blood rises among them. On June tenth nineteen Ninety-two Bob Crandall appears before a Senate committee. He's been summoned to respond to accusations that he's been trying to put competitors out of business by pricing. His airlines fares below its costs that same day shareholders of continental and American west filed suit against American making the same accusations Crandall who's been called the bully of the skies and the Attila the hun of airlines is relishing the coming confrontation as cameras role in a bit of showmanship. He tells the Senate committee that if it really wants to make a difference issued reform, the bankruptcy laws so that air carriers in chapter eleven can't break union contracts. The laws flexibility currently allows broke airlines to us bankruptcy court to reduce their operating costs and beat competitors prices. Senators. The problem with America West is that its management has failed. Some of these airlines are Wheeler dealers noted the balance sheet with dead. You allow the market to finish the painful process of eliminating surplus capacity. Don't prop- bad operators up in bankruptcy courts where they're free to change their cost structures and lonely bankrupt. All of us and this business is already intensely vigorously bitterly savagely competitive. Nearly a year later in April of nineteen Ninety-three Crandall boards in American Airlines flight from DFW to San Jose, California. He's heading out to address the corporate troops amid an intense fair war going on in California between southwest and United Airlines. United has launched a low cost airline within an airline called shuttle by United much like southwest. And now the battle between shuttle and southwest is drawing blood at American. When Crandall reaches the conference hall in San Jose, the troops are waiting, but they are completely unprepared for the bomb. He's about to drop. Our losses in San Jose have been significant. They amount to fifty million dollars annually and more competition is on the way. Southwest Airlines announced it will substantially expand service in California, more specifically in San Jose, then he delivers the kicker. So with regret, I inform you that we are closing our hub in San Jose, and we'll begin an immediate draw down of flights in service here. Southwest is coming and Tila Bihan is in full retreat. June. Third nineteen Ninety-three is a beautiful breezy seventy three degree day in Washington DC, but a commission created by congress is locked away inside the Eisenhower executive office building. Wise cracking Kelleher is they're being as usual affable self, turning around in his seat to glad-hand folks at the hearing. Well, the commission please come to order including Mr. Keller. Yes. Mr chairman, he's appearing before a committee, looking for solutions to the ongoing airline industry. Crisis airlines have been dropping from the sky like crazy from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen Ninety-three airlines have lost a collective, thirteen billion dollars that wipes out every dollar airlines have made since the Wright brothers. I took off from Kitty Hawk in nineteen. Oh, three. The commission is considering everything from bankruptcy reform to outright reregulation of the industry. Its members include consultants, travel agents, labor officials, ex congressman and exactly one airline executive herb Kelleher. But for today's hearings, the CEO's of almost every other major airline have come to testify. One Commissioner directs a pointed question at the CEO's have plenty of bankruptcy since deregulation. Braniff America, West continental frontier eastern. We've also recently seen the emergence of multiple southwest clones like ValuJet and Kiwi international and more apparently are on their way. And then there's there's theirself west, which has a twenty year track record of success. So my question to the four of you is, why can't you be more like herb her grins? Like a madman Bob Crandall sitting across the room from Keller speaks up members of the commission and his most excellent Kelleher southwest has the world's finest peanuts, but they have no other food costs. Now herb is done a splendid job, but to get where he is. American would have to go back in Terre our company up and some very significant ways in order to match his prices, we'd have to dramatically row back. Compensation benefits. The committee doesn't call reregulation, but it does tell c. e. o.'s to save themselves even if it means tearing up the business models. It seems that one thing is clear to everyone Southwest's model of low fares and officiant. Friendly service now defines the US airline industry. Actually, all kinds of companies are looking to southwest for inspiration. Nineteen ninety six and the Macher rano is a hit song dancing sation. Southwest love field headquarters. Dozens of executives from other companies are required to do the dance too. Southwest quirky, kinetic cultures become so legendary that company now puts on south west days. Several times a year executives from all kinds of industries pay one hundred dollars a head to come to love field for day-long sessions that oil down to this have fun and be nice, especially to employ ease as with many of southwest airline competitors, though, not everyone seems to grasp that simple message at the end of today's session, Kelleher walks up to an executive from Austria to thank him for attending great. Having you here today. When you bring anything you learn back to your company, the executive answers in Swiss German accent. Yeah, going to tell everybody is a half to do the Macarena every day. Well, actually, I think you might miss the point. He might have, but others have gotten the southwest message loud and clear today. Both American and south west still sail the skies there. Fierce competition has both toughened and change them. Southwest has been profitable every year since nineteen seventy three and its business model is mimicked across the globe. American fought several bruising union revolts before going bankrupt and absorbing the failing US Airways in twenty thirteen financially they're both doing quite well. Thank you. American has forty three billion dollars in annual revenues, southwest as twenty one billion. Tober thirteenth twenty fourteen. Love field employees are celebrating Southwest's two year PR battle that ended with local politicians brokering a compromise that free southwest from the Wright amendment. That's the law that kept the Texas airline from flying freely beyond Texas and its contiguous states. Kilgore arrange your sedans team known for the cowboy hats, white boots. High kicks are performing to a rendition of Gary decarlo. So. They're dressed in outfits. Reminiscent of the nineteen seventy-one orange, hot pants, gogo boots, hostess, look, Sir. Richard Branson of virgin America's in the house and band call the why not place outside the terminal banner reads goodbye right amendment. Hello America. Southwest fought hard and long to fly out of love field instead of DFW, and it struggled almost as long to be able to fly from love field to anywhere in America, like other airlines. Now for the first time in its history, Southwest Airlines is finally free to move about the country. The from wondering, this is business wars. Enjoyed this episode. Please subscribe on apple podcasts, Spotify, Google guest Stitcher iheartradio, or where ever you listen to podcasts, you'll find a link on the episode notes, all you have to tap Skype over the cover art, and you'll also see some offers from our sponsors. Please support our show by supporting them, aren't, you know if you like what you heard, we'd love it. 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Remembering Herb Kelleher

How I Built This

31:27 min | 1 year ago

Remembering Herb Kelleher

"Hey, it's guy here. And by now, you may have heard that herb Kelleher the co founder of Southwest Airlines died on Thursday, her was eighty seven and in honor of her. We wanted to release this interview I did with him back in November of two thousand sixteen. It is still one of my favorite all-time episodes of how I built this because his story and the way he tells it is delightful and funny and also it truly inspiring account of sticking with an idea when the odds are stacked against you. So here it is here's to herb. And enjoy. You were basically introducing these really low fares were these airlines trying to match your prices. Yes. In some cases. They were we told the public of Texas that you could fly the lower fair. But if you paid the higher fair, we'll give you a free bottle of whiskey and so for a couple of months, we became the largest liquor distributor in the state of Texas. From NPR. It's how I built this show that innovators entrepreneurs idealists and the stories behind the movements. They go. I'm guy Roz and on today's show. How an eccentric Texas lawyer turned a crazy idea into Southwest Airlines. Now one of the biggest airlines in world. Could you could you start by introducing yourself, Mr. Keller registered herb, if you would her, please. Okay. Herb I can you just say your full name. This is herb Kelleher and your best known as the founder of Southwest Airlines. Great. How how old are you? Now. Eighty five. Okay. Great perfect. Okay. We are very excited. Talk to you about your story. I'm just going to jump in here for like to mention that before we really started our interview I had some time to just Chit chat with her. And I learned some interesting things about him like like what he eats for breakfast. Normally for breakfast. I have choose crackers and what he likes to drink while Turkey bourbon. And that he's been a smoker for pretty much his entire life. I just enjoy the magical mystical aroma and site of smoke. So how soon after you wake up? Do you have a cigarette? Well, it's a nanosecond tobacco king. With your crackers. Even before by cheese crackers for the story of how herb launched Southwest Airlines yet to go back about fifty years nineteen sixty six to be exact herb was a young lawyer. He's living in San Antonio, Texas, where he had started his own law firm, helping clients to start companies and one day one of herbs clients guy named rollin king calls him up. And he says he I heard about this airline called Pacific southwest at flies only in California. And I have an idea. Let's let's me for a drink rollin came to me with the idea of setting up a similar operation in Texas. And how soon after he sort of floated this idea to use saying? Yep. Let's do it. Let's start a company. It was a very short period of time. Maybe you know, like a minute. That fast. No it was longer than that. I was just joking, but within a very short days within days within days. Well, I I was very skeptical. But then I did some research and discovered that PSA was very successful in California that Texas supplied all the requisites for an intrastate airline because it was a big state that had large metropolitan areas far enough apart to justify flying. And so Houston, Dallas and San Antonio will the obvious first targets because they were the three largest cities in Texas. What did you know about airlines at the time? Well, I knew nothing about airlines, which I think made me imminently qualified to start one. Because what we tried to do it south west was get away from the traditional way that airlines had done business. So I started with the tabula Rasa blank slate. And I think that was very helpful. So at this point in how old are you, by the way at that point in your life? I was. Thirty five thirty five. Okay. So you had a family. Yes. Right for children for children. And you you've got this successful often by late was he was the airline industry profitable at that time. No. It was not notably profitable. As a matter of fact, Warren Buffett reportedly joked about it at one time and said if a capitalist had shot down the right brothers that Kitty Hawk in nineteen zero three the economy would probably be better off. And so it didn't have very great returns. It was constantly in difficulty. So why did you even think that this was a plausible idea? Well, I think it was the allure of doing something different doing something. That was exciting. I really always have had a great deal of curiosity. And then I thought to myself, well, you know, most the adults in the United States of America haven't been able to fly because of the cost. Barrier is too expensive is too expensive. They just thought it was business people long expensive counts. And so what I'm saying is that in terms of market analysis. There was a huge untapped market for flying out there. Okay. So you decided with rollin to start a company whose at right I actually incorporated in March of nineteen sixty seven. But of course, that was just a piece of paper, and we start to raise seed money to Dixon of about five hundred thousand dollars and said was quite a lot of money to raise. I guess it was at that time. It certainly was and we were set to go, and what was the competition like at the time. Like were there. Other airlines that were doing these Texas lifelike for like between Houston, Dallas, and these other places. Oh, yeah. They proved a beer biggest adversaries because they were not exactly warm welcoming and hospitable. And we didn't get kisses on both cheeks when we announced that we intended to create an intrastate carrier so braniff continental and transects us later, Texas international really took out after us, and they kept us involved in political fights and and fights in the. Courts, and they just thought that they would apply their incumbency and their financial strength the to bleed Southwest Airlines to death before could ever fly. So they were they were suing Southwest Airlines. Correct. I mean, what was their argument? Why were they saying you shouldn't operate? Well, you know, the arguments that they made in court for actually all kind of species, and this is one instruction of where people attempt to use to manipulate the government to prevent competition. That's what they were up to. So how long did it take you to fight these these legal challenges? Well between the time when I started working on forming south west and the time we flew our first flight it was four and a half years. Wow. It took a little pert nasty. Yeah. And during that time, the company ran out of money and in nineteen sixty nine the board of directors that a beating and talked about shutting. The airline down shutting the company down. And I said, well, how about if I lose gate for nothing and pay all the court costs out of my own pocket. Would you be willing to continue under those circumstances? And they said, oh, sure. So so what motivated you to fight for four years to to to launch this airline? Well, first of all, I was idealistic about it. Because I figured if they can prevent Southwest Airlines from introducing what Southwest Airlines proposes to provide to the consumer. Then that is a sign that the free enterprise system is failing and one of the things that motivated me was to in effect validate, the free enterprise system and another one was of course, that was very hot competition and I like to win. But what what's not like what I don't get. It was such a huge gamble anyway. Because you you could have spent those four and a half years fighting and then winning and then Southwest Airlines might have fizzled out. Anyway, I'll tell you what guy you put your finger on something because if you had taken a poll. In the state of Texas after we filed our application, I can assure you that ninety nine point nine percent of the population of the state of Texas would say this thing will never come to anything. I'm very serious about that. Several people told that they said they were cleared to see how how much the fight energize me. And that I was enjoying it. But her don't get yourself. It'll never make a dime. Did you ever get sadder? Depress me how did you? Keep your spirits up while Turkey helped. May provide. Hey guy may provide a little boost. But frankly, my spirit's just don't get down. I don't stress very easily. I'll give you an example only they had stressed glasses at Southwest Airlines years ago many years ago, and they invited me to come over and speak. You know, the fella that was running classes, and he said to the class, he said, well, you know, her undergoes a lot of stress all the time her tell the class how you handle it. And I said, I don't handle it. I like it that was the last time I was asked back to the class. So so you I mean you were going in and out of courtrooms for four years. How are you making a living at that time? Well, I was still practicing law may not doing a lot of other things during that time. What's led to very long weeks on one occasion? I was in the law this for two full days and at the end of those two full days. I've went home shaved and one to a fundraising dinner for. South west airlines. But that's kind of the the perseverance that at the mandated to help get Southwest Airlines started while still practicing law and doing many other things. So what happened in the courts with the with the south west case, it went through the United States Supreme court and through the Texas supreme court twice before we could fly and the Texas supreme court handed down an order nineteen hours. Prior to our first flight when was that that was the nineteen June of nineteen seventy-one we start flying on June eighteenth nineteen seventy-one what was the flight where did it go? The first flight want from Dallas or San Antonio. But the one that received all the publicity went from Dallas to Houston, and we were the underdog it was sort of David versus Goliath s you know, not just one but three of them. So there was a lot of news coverage about it. And that's the reason people paid a lot of attention. To it's finally getting underway. So were you on that first light, by the way? No, I wasn't. I was busy work to make sure there was a second flight. Do you? Remember that day that that I took off? And do you remember how you felt that you feel like finally this is done? Oh, it was wonderful. I'll tell you the experience I had when the first airplane game in it was over in Fort Worth Americans hanger. So I went over there nears this airplane after four and a half years. I wound up stuck my head in the back of one of the engines and mechanic, grabbed me pulled me back. And he said, you realize that frustrate I or goes off it will decapitate you. And I said at this moment, I don't give a damn. So at this point southwestern lines, what starts advertising it starts flying. Many. What was the was it flying more than one route was at flying multiple routes? Whoa. Was Dallas Houston, Houston, San Antonio and San Antonio Dallas. And what was what was the what does it cost to go to do one of those legs well on some flights? We had fares lowest ten dollars on those. We had there's as low as fifteen or twenty dollars. We were about forty five percent lower than the other carriers. So how were you able to do that? How were you able to charge so much such a lower fare than the other airlines in Texas through enormous productivity? But but how I mean, I'm assuming you said a few planes at the time will we start out with three. And then we got a fourth one we had to get rid of one airplane in order to meet our payroll right after southwest start flying. And so we decided that we would fly a four planes. Schedule with three airplane. How do you do that ten minute turns at the gate we bring that airplane in and ten minutes after it stopped at the gate. You know, it would be pushing back again, and we had airplanes that Univer operating twelve hours a day. Sometimes so each one of those additional flights Representative the revenue generation opportunity that the other Cavs didn't have okay. But even so I mean those other carriers like braniff and Texas international rate, and they were charging much much higher fares. And couldn't it couldn't have just been that you turn to planes around faster knows a whole contra thing, you're you're right about that. I was just giving, you example, with the ten minute turn because it's vivid one in addition to that they were by definition monopolises. They had been under forty years of federal government supervision through the C A B that the civil aeronautics board. Yes. Right. And during that time if they had a little financial problem of the c a b would just give them a fare increase. And so that's how their fares got so high as compared to what we were doing since we won't regulated by the CAP. Okay. So you weren't regulated in the same way. But what were you doing other things like like, paying your employees less? Well, it depended initially. We were paying them less as the years went on. We were paying them more their total compensation was superior to the other carriers. And in addition when we turned our first very slim profit in nineteen Seventy-three, we set up the first profit sharing plan in the American airline industry. And I think we made a profit of I don't know under thousand dollars a year something like that. But that went on, of course, to pour billions interim -ployees pockets and your employees were were unionized as well. Yeah, we were the most heavily. Unionized carrier in the United States are low costs were not due to being a nonunion carrier since we were more unionized than our competitors were. So you were basically introducing these really low fares would these airlines trying to match your prices. Yes. In some cases. They were there's no question about this. A matter of fact braniff at one point put in a lower fare than heirs would say cold an introductory fare. Course they've been serving Texas, you know, for forty years by that time, but in any event one of the things that came out of that was we maintained our full fares. And we told the public of Texas that if you paid the higher fair, we would give you a free bottle of whiskey and so for a couple of months, we became the largest liquor distributor in the state of Texas. So her if I think about flying at that time, like I'm thinking like madmen, and you know, tumblers with scotch and like a glamorous experience, but southwest was competing on price. I mean, you were not you were not doing in-flight cocktail. So like, what do people think of your service versus the competition? I gotta store detail. It was giving of nineteen seventy-one member. We've been in business since June yet, and my sister-in-law delightful lady called me my law this, and then she said her she said, I just flew from Houston to send Antonio and Southwest Airlines. And I've traveled most of the world's airlines, which was true. You know, she was a world traveler, and she said, I know you're going to be a big success. You've got the best in-flight service that I ever experienced any airline. And I said boy am I glad to hear that. How many passengers role Nair plan? She said just me. In just a minute southwest goes, national and herb convinces, travelers airlines do not have to serve inflate meals. And you're listening to how I built this from NPR. It's how I built this from NPR. I'm guy Roz. So throughout the nineteen seventies southwestern lines still only fly within the state of Texas. But then in nineteen seventy eight something really important happens congress decides to completely deregulate the airline industry and for Southwest Airlines. That means they could now start flying to new cities outside of Texas. Her at this point. You southwest is expanding and your competitors are no longer. Just Texas airlines, you're competing was like American and and and and Pan Am and TWA, right. Like, the national major international carrier start to become your competitors. Yeah. So we're we're people skeptical that southwest would be able to compete in the big leagues. Oh, yes. We were described as Texas airline that could only be successful in the state of Texas. Okay. Yeah. Then we were. Then we were described as a sunbelt airline that could not be successful outside the sunbelt. There was a press conference for went into Baltimore. Where one of the reporters there said, well, you know, Mr. Keller, he said, I know you've been very successful out west. But now you're coming to east the most competitive part of the country as far as airline services concerned. And I said, yeah, it's so competitive that when we start out here, we're reducing your existing fares by sixty percent how competitive does that sound. I mean with south west at that time were you guys already sort of no frills what we were. No frills. We're in the sense that we were short hole then that kind of restricts what you can do. You have relatively short flight. Tell like, peanuts and drinks. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then pretzels, and that sort of thing, but you know, when we start flying longer haul like from San Antonio to Los Angeles. We had a press conference, you know, to nounce a new service and one of the reporters there said, well, you going to serve meals on those flights, and I said, no, we're not we're going to charge you four hundred dollars less per trip. Right. And I understand you can get a pretty good sandwich at Chasen's for four hundred dollars. So when at what point did you give up your lap practice, actually that was at the request the board of directors in nineteen eighty one. So you were still you still had your own law practice that you are doing other work for throughout the entire nineteen seventies. Oh, yes. Yell, and I'll tell you the truth, you know, I didn't really hanger to be part of corporate life because you know, lawyers have a lot more freedom to do their own thing when where they want to. But we heard a very excellent FILA name Lamar muse. It was a real battler to get the company off the ground and operational. He has substantial airline experience, and he did a wonderful job. And so, you know, finally in nineteen Eighty-one we'd lost assessor to Lamar and the board director said to me you've got to do it. And and did you want to do it while I felt had to do? And I'll tell you why. Because the start of the nineteen eighties. You had unemployment of ten point eight percent. You had a double dip recession. You had the air traffic controller strike, then Lamar muse the guy we hired to get the company off the ground. He launched competitor against us called Muser. He's he left southwest, and then launched a competitor. Yup. Says three years after he left gold music. How did you feel about that? Well, I thought it was somewhat immodest on his part. But because he called him us air after himself. But were you were you like what are you doing? I mean, I what we work together all these years. And now, you're I mean. No. We bought them later. You bought him later when they're on the verge of bankruptcy. Yeah. We bought news there. But it was there in nineteen Eighty-one. So I figured I'd better do what the board asked me to do. And come to Southwest Airlines fulltime was was what's your lines making money at the time? Yes, we've been profitable every single year for forty three years. I guess now. It must be the other airlines crazy because they were a lot of them have had good years and bad years. But it seems like southwest has just has never had a bad year while we've had years when you know, earnings were down, but we've never had a loss for full year since nineteen seventy two and we've never folow an employee at Southwest Airlines when the rest of the industry during that period up until now as probably thurlowe, I don't know a million and a half employees throughout the world. Basically, we looked at history and said, this is a very dicey business to be in the airline business. Yeah. So we may be flamboyant from the marketing standpoint, but we're going to be very conservative from the fiscal standpoint. And I established a rule of thumb that we're going to pay eighty percent of the cost of all of our new airplanes, internally generated funds and actually. Around up paying one hundred percent for most of our airplanes. So we had the largest percentage in our fleet of owned airplanes of any carrier of any size. So so what does that mean? Well, I mean, you're not taking on that. Right. When you do that. So when you get into bad times, you're not threatened by the debt payments, which is put carriers into bankruptcy out of bankruptcy and back into bankruptcy. You know for thirty five years, you know, her from from outside from listening to stories the airline industry seems so brutal. Is it do you think it's more savage than than other industries? I think that it's more competitive than other industries and one of the reasons for that is that our principal capital assets. The airplanes move at five hundred and forty miles an hour. And you know, if you have a shoe factory that that fails in Seattle as an example, you can't within hours transport that shoe factory to Chattanooga Tennessee to compete there. But if you're Seattle air service fails, you can have your airplanes in San Antonio where Chattanooga within a matter of hours. So the very mobility of your capital assets breeds a lot of competition like that competition. Like did you like being an airline CEO and in managing all that stuff? Was it fun for you? Well, I had to adapt myself. Yeah, I love being with the people that Southwest Airlines that was like a fountain of youth for me. They were so wonderful and entertaining, and you know, great to be with that part of it. But when you're practicing law, you're pretty much do your own thing. And it's a swift pace. Well, things didn't move swiftly at first. When I came to Southwest Airlines fulltime, and I'm we're swiftly compared to the rest of the airline industry. But not compared to my experience who you pushing for expansion and growth and all those things during your tenure. Oh, yes. I mean, Southwest Airlines expanded enormously, you know, from a very small base. But I soon realize it was a speech that I went to here. Where a guru said if you can improve corporation five percent a year, that's a miracle. I said, oh, okay. I was trying to do twenty five percent. Maybe that's why I was feeling a little frustrated. So it really brought my thinking, you know, more in line. You know, I'm thinking, even if it might have seemed like it was a slow process for you. The fact that southwest was growing and can prevailed in this industries is pretty remarkable. And it's pretty unbelievable given that you know, so many of those early competitors. Don't even exist anymore and some of the great conic airlines TWA Pan, Am they're gone exactly many of them. They're very few left. What mistakes did they make that do seem not to have made? Well, we just did things differently. Like market share, you know, shibboleth supposedly. And I told anybody that they mentioned market share. I punch him in the nose because here all these big companies fighting over their market share and losing money in furloughing employees. Yeah, let's focus on profitability. And if we have four percent of the market, we're profitable. That's better than having ninety percent of the market and being unprofitable. What's the value of south west today overall? Yeah. Oh, probably twenty billion dollars something like that. So we're talking about one of the biggest airlines in the United States easily in the world in terms of passengers carried son believable. Yeah. It really is. It's like I've had too much wild Turkey and fantasizing. When you started the company how much how much did you invest personally invested ten thousand dollars, which must be worth quite a bit today. I imagine we'll it's gone up some since then. But at the company is what I thought was a requirement of good leadership. I always turned down pay increases bonus increases to set a good example. I thought for all of our people, of course, the stock that I got Rosenbaum Asli in value. But that was in lieu of cash compensation. See were you mainly paid with with stock options? Yeah. Basically was talk. I got the biggest kick out just to give an exemplar when I did a stock option deal in lieu of pay raises with our pilots. So they get Southwest Airlines stock options in lieu of the pay increase. I took no pay increase along with them. And I'm not trying to single anybody out. But there is a the. The head of an airline that was more than Southwest Airlines and on the verge of going out of business who salary and bonus for three times what mine were Southwest Airlines. And that's the way I wanted it probably like are you worried that some, you know, some young, you know, her Keller type characters gonna come around and put up some upstart airline and knock southwest west off. It's thrown I'm concerned about it. All the time. I vote to let her employee's. And it was about my ten foremost concerns for the next decade of Southwest Airlines. Okay. Yeah. And number one was us that we ignore competition that we get complacent that we get cocky, and I used to line think small and axe mall, and we'll get bigger think they enact big, and we'll get smaller. So can happen. One day. Oh, it's possible. You know, I'm a history buff. And if you look at the largest companies in United States. As the nineteenth century turned into the twentieth. Most of them are gone. The central leather company in nineteen hundred nineteen o one was a seventeenth largest company in the United States. But it didn't anticipate what the advent of the Ford automobile with going to mean, you know, what it did. It made buggy whips and saddles and never stopped doing it until it was gone. And if you look at countries or look at companies, they perish, and if you have any sense of history, you realize that and you know, try to avoid it in a hearing the story of how you made this happen and all the work you put into it. I wonder if you think you're just wired differently to be able to put up with all that stuff for so many years. Well, I yeah, I probably I'm wired a little bit differently from from many people nerve probably very happy about that difference themselves. But one of the things is that I never looked back. You know, I don't spend a lot of time regretting things that went wrong. And Furthermore, I think that I've always had a great deal of fun out of what I was doing. And you know, people would say to me, why don't you? Why don't you burned out? You know, I was working one hundred hours a week love Lanta, very simply. Well, it's easy. When you have a passionate joy in what you're doing. You. Don't burn out. Her Kelleher co-founded Southwest Airlines fifty years ago, and he served as CEO. And then Ford before retiring in two thousand eight by the way, herb Kelleher once result a trademark dispute with a rival airline both using the slogan plane smart, he resolved this not in court, but by challenging the other CEO to a public arm wrestling match, which herb Kelleher washed. You can see that entire arm. Wrestling match just go to Google and type in the malice in Dallas.

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UF238: Brian Kelleher and Revisiting 2018 Champions Predictions

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

1:10:24 hr | 1 year ago

UF238: Brian Kelleher and Revisiting 2018 Champions Predictions

"Hello, welcome to USC unfiltered, Matt, and I are back together. Brian Kelleher calls in, we do a Matt movie minute, and then I give a movie in the Matt gives another one action packed at Jimmy's office diet kind of. What he is sitting chase in that finish. Late in the Baden. This is UFC on filtered and now your hosts, Jim Norton and mad, Sarah. Welcome. The team is back together. I was not. I was away the last couple I called in. I had some comments of Connor and could be people get up. Hey, shitheads. Yeah. Oh, you're going to be? No shit had occurs. So yes, people people who line up so much on one side because your book unity. Shut up. I when the issue, your opinion that you tell them, we'll see. We win. All happy could be. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see at all. Now what are we enemies wanna fuck you. Even asking me. I don't wanna talk to you. Honor. Look, the guy was honor is I'm sorry. It's not an excuse to jump over the fucking back into this. Yes, for a second. Yeah. Then why did give I don't get it, but it's not an excuse for jumping over the cage. Honor. People use to justify a lot of stuff that you're not supposed to do in line, but some people do that just to promote shit. So I mean, I, I mean, Khanna did that with Jose Aldo. Just they use that all the time hunt do one hundred, whatever. Conard I'm gonna seasonal. Connor did the whole bus thing. Everybody killed him for that and they should have. That's the other thing where people go like what Connor did. Yeah. What did wasn't right? Either wrongs bash. Connor four, two? Yeah. But you know when they it is a weird, weird situation that's going on a lot of drama. But I hate drama, but you know, we all love it. It is on the talk about on now. They're like making a thing where I mean, listen that bustings the worst thing that ever happened, but somebody could have literally killed. But I don't like that. I mean, you know, listen in this whole thing. I was always more full Kabaeva obviously is what it is, but you know, I'm off with somebody get hit the back of the fucking head. I mean, blindsided house out honorable. Connor punch. The other guy. I, he punched him when the guys come straight out. No wasn't the guy jumped on the cake. It looked like the guy do jumping one guy jumped up and was looking over the fence away. Khabib jumped ahead. I'm like Honda ahead of me. There's a video Connor punching him version. I think the other guy might have hit. Connor. I sent me that kinda is more excusable though because once that guy gets on anything can happen at that point, Connor has a right to defend himself. He's trapped in the cave guy was going up older. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. He hit that guy, and that's what set off the whole thing, but still hitting from behind what is that? Yeah, you know, let's not good. I just think but. Amen. I mean, hopefully the they just get past all this shit. Yeah, but I do know that could be a fucking b.'s. He he is awesome. They both got the mandatory ten days pension or whatever, and they're talk in Jimmy. They're talking about possibly a rematch and I don't know personally, I don't like that at all. I here we go look now. I think Tony Ferguson. I mean, it makes sense. Obviously for the size of that fight, if they rematch earned that a hundred percent. Well, we're watching the scramble right now. I would rather see Ferguson Habib. Jap- different like this show. This somebody's con is over there and let me see this guy. Now's are already happened. The guy just hidden behind now, the guy just punching from behind. Yeah, go back to part one more time. The guy hit him from. I don't care what team mate. He hit him from a high Connor facing that. Well, that's the problem now because guy jumps defense. Yes, any hits is that the guy he hit going over or. No? No. That was a different guy who just hit him is out when it was supposed to fight Artem. Yes. So that is a beer. I believe it's pronounced Barrett to golf, and that's like, could be guys and can be saying he's kinda threatened that he'll leave if they fired this guy, just the cage and hit Connor who just lost. But the other guy Connor hit. Listen, not and I don't have. I don't agree with that at all. This is this is the problem. You know Artem was there when they when the attack that attack the bus. He was there for that wasn't he also to be thrown. They cut his fight that night, but they didn't. Yeah, they didn't use mystified. Bruce LeRoy. Thank should have been a really fun. But the the fact that he's not right cut is I think could be point. This guy still the card still on the on the roster roster roster roster, let's call the whole thing, but I think that that is the major problem. It's like, all right, look, you, you, you put out a message like Amy, listen, oh, if he got away with that and we could at least do this and it's setting the sport in a in a rough way here always pointed that and say all, but look what he did, not that it makes it right. I'm not saying Lobov did was right. He was on that and whatever punishment they gave him would have been fine with me. But I do see a difference between that and somebody jumping into the octagon and punching a guy who just lost a fight in the back of the head. Listen, that was totally wrong. And then he was bragging about it too. So that's not great. I mean, it's, I wonder what's going to happen. We're gonna have to see my more annoying was how people lying. And get so crazy about it. It's like they get so angry if your opinion doesn't sink with, there's right. That's like most things though is not yet, but they don't. They don't realize that there's two sides to it and you're gonna feel one way or the people who defended Connor or many. But for the bus, I didn't hate them. So they were wrong. Well, also at a certain point, like this type of stuff is more about the sport as a whole. You know what I mean? It's not just on team can be right, whatever. That's what the fights for this stuff is like, you know, it can make a sport that we all love look bad to people that don't know what is fucking riot breaks out. Of course, if a riot breaks out, then the you have seen Dana looked terrible, just awful. I mean, hopefully we just move forward and get some positive shit. I'm gonna Brian, Kelly part away. My one of my one of our surreal Longo. Up and comers at his pro debut over the weekend in Long Island, and he won Dennis bazooka. I wanna give him a shout-out. He did good this kid right twenty one year old kid. He laid this dude out and he did. He eat a great ally. Quintas taken this kid under his wing and kinda bonded with this kidding. And that's that's a good guy. And that's a good people are gonna say, good role model for if you're gonna be a cage fighter. Yes, fucking ranging out is is a fine role model of if you're going to be getting ready to fight in the cage. Yes, hang out with rage you now and and get some of that. Let that warriors spirit Siebel seep into you and by the way, raging does of a fight lineup now think so. Officially Kevin Li, I was there for the first one. I remember was a good fight back then. I think that's gonna be a great fight. I like me some regional his. We both of these guys out a fundraiser the other day for my, my buddy Frank span was, is his eleven month. Year old son has Frankie has leukemia brutal. So we all went to this. Fundraiser and at one a raffle thing. But all these charms and dignity gave to my kids and stuff. He's a nice guy, man. He's a good dude. What's up. We have Bryan on the phone was on, hey, Brian, how are you? We have to talk to you through this this thing. This kind of rigged up because Time Warner's phone say stink. So how are you? I'm good. I'm good. Can you hear me? We can't hear yet. Chris, Chris kind of figured out a way to hook it up through his iphone so we are able to do the call. Where are you now? I'm actually driving right now, but I got you guys on speaker, so we'll get to go. Okay. Where where are you driving to the gym or from? No, I, I left the gym earlier. I'm driving towards the mall now over here. Okay. By the way I was watching some of your rap, it's really good, man. I literally thought that you were doing that thing. People do where they listen to rap in they mouth it's. But that was actually you talkin man. Yeah. Jim, I'm asking Jimmy what he's talking about. He's just point that you. What is he talking about? How does Tyron Woodley get a record deal? You know what I mean? I gotta get myself in one Brian ramps on his Twitter, you wrap rat. I'm trying to provide on my downside, right? A lot of stuff. And then I just wrapped her son, but I've been people been telling me to take it into the studio. So do take ticket serious taking into the UFC on filters studio. Yeah, man. I mean, listen, a lot of people listening right now. Now, imagine saying clear my throat. I'm just getting the right kind of beat. Yeah, I to go, but I can't. Is there anything you can break into if we, if we play the music to, albeit ya you could sing that. Could you just get this verb, the musical version. I don't know if he's gonna be able to hear it actually because the way we set up in. This view. That come into studio with you guys in the city. I'll have something prepared. I'll I'll spend something on the Mike live. How long have you been writing rap lyrics and rap songs? I've been writing for a while. I, I would say since I was probably like eighteen nineteen just for fun. I did. I used to my my dad plays guitar and he sing. So I've been around music my whole life and I used to make music. Like in the basement, he had a little recording studio down there, but it wasn't produced official, you know? No, broin. Now with Jimmy heard, we listen to we, it's on it's on Twitter and what is it? It was just Brian in into kind of his cell phone camera, whatever. We're just kind of, you know, like thirty or forty six long out Christopher deuces getting it. He's getting it. I heard this, so these I do it on my Instagram stories, and I also do like, I'll throw it up on Twitter too. So have you recorded any songs? I've recorded full thongs, like back in the day, nothing as of recent because I'm looking to try to get with a legit producer that can make it sound more quality. You know, you know, I'll tell you, I heard platinum. Mike Perry do something to the Tyron Woodley so long. I was very impressed. Great. Yeah, man, I saw that. Yeah, that was good on a story that was pretty freestyle on this. You know, you can't freestyle. You're not like be rabbit. I could do it, but it's hard to do on the spot. You gotta really be short. Well, that's the whole thing with the Freestone. I'm listen. I can't say that I can't show. Did you ever see that video? Drake free styling, but he didn't know there was a camera on him reading off paper series. Yeah. He, I think it was on sways radio show on Sirius. I believe it was reading off paper. Yeah, that's fucking great man. A lot of these guys freestyle day like they've, they actually wrote that stuff in remembered it, and then they just freestyle it when they get a chance, you know. So who free styles. Okay. Does Eminem freestyle for real, or do you think it's pre written. I think most of it's pre written to be honest. I can tell when someone's three thousand like it's not as perfect, you know, listen, I have a question. Everybody wants to know about this one verse that one and I wanna ask you em g k machine gun Kelly, your Eminem go. I think I'm gonna fight. Not in the fight. I'm talking about wrapping. No, I am for sure. I, I think both were really good. I think MGK as good lines. I like rap double Eminem just like lyrical genius. He is. I like I like rap double and I like kill shot. I like them both. Jimmy. I listened to both of them on the way here. You believe that. I do believe this. I listen to that because I'm like, oh, I listen to Queen live on the pressure, has nothing to do with the story. No. Third thing I listen to, I didn't know you were you were into rap so much all what. Oh, how Brian? I'll be yours. I'll be I all I got brought back in August as that one book and I got nothing. So I'm not a good rapper, but I used to listen before you were born, there was a show called yo MTV raps fab five, FREDDY, yes. And then it was Dr dre the other, Dr dre and and love. That's right. Yes, it was a man. So I, you call an OG in the rap game, not really to listening. I used to like to listen to it, and I still do I listen to what the kids listen to. Have you ever done in front of an audience? Who may have your, have you rapid front of an audience now I've never performed or anything like that. I feel like that's the hard part. That's what makes a legit a legit artist, you know, you're gonna say, legitim- see. So like if you're going to really do shows and make money, that's how you do it. You gotta get in front of a crowd and get a fan base, man that listen. I mean, it's hard enough to fight in the cage Brian. I don't know if you should be able to listen. It's good to have a side job. You never know. Yeah, I'm trying to figure. Out what's after fighting. You know what I mean? That's the scary part. How do you now, Brian? I'm thirty to do it. I got it. Listen, I know another guy on the fucking five, seven from Long Island that had a great year thirty two fucking me. Yeah, I the time some of that good juju. Right. Listen, listen, man, you took out Barral which is the former champion, and then you had a, you know, a little bit of a tough time with Lineker around was at third around third round. So you in the fight, man. I had a fucking minute and a half or so. You know, I really wish I would have made it out of there. It was. It was. It was a fun one though. Enough enough, you know, it's not like it was a good experience. It was a learning experience that guy hits harder than anybody. I fought. You know, I've had a lot of fights that never felt that before I listen man, that you could definitely take that with you. Tell us about what's next. We heard you find on the golden wanna talk about that. Yeah, I'm fighting at the garden. Originally. I had an opponent from the contender series Domingo's felarca he, he got hurt. And pulled out. So now Mantell Jackson, who's also from the contender series filled in kind of similar opponent. You know, taller guy, south ball, and you know primarily a striker, but he has some wrestling too. Yeah, just I'm excited to be back home fighting at home. It's a lot easier to to deal with the way cut like that and everything else. So. Where were you raised? Obvious, raised in Selden New York on Long Island. All right. You'll handling I didn't realize no, where where are you training now? Brian. Because I kind of. Kind of balancing around everywhere. You know, I'm like there's ten planets you get you and Smithtown. I'm also at Long Island. Emma may and I actually, I just went over this long goes Jim, the other day and got a little a couple rounds in with Matt for Volta and Murrah was over there, so very good. Well, for you very good work, Moraga energy machine. I remember l. Joe, if there's less fight, he says, people want to know what I do for cardio and he took a picture of him in morale. Blake Merav through people. He's tired when he spars. It's like how he fights. I mean, he just does not stop. He doesn't start it. You don't. You don't need cardio if you're doing round. It's something else to watch. Man, I love it. You know that, man, I have such a good time with that dude. So listen, you used to fighting tola guys though. Brian, you like me. I mean, you have to guy out. I'm always the shorter guy. You know what I mean? I'm used to it. How happy are you to be fighting at the garden? I'm happy, you know, but I don't get crazy excited about like where it is because it's just another fight to me really. I mean, it's it's, it just makes it easier. Like I said, just being able to stay home through the way cut and and not have to deal with the travel or the time differences or anything like that. He had the problem with fighting at home knows you got so much family and they all start bugging for tickets, and they all want to be around you and talk to you the day of the fight. Do you find that's difficult like you just kinda wanna be about yourself and everybody's bugging you for something? Well, the good thing is I don't have too many fans yet, so I'm pretty good with not true Brian. It's not too bad. I guess everyone around me kind of understand how it is. We don't get tickets really to sell. You know, we get four tickets for our family and everyone else wants to buy tickets. You know, the normal, lay, whatever, TicketMaster on UFC dot com. So it's not too bad. Oh, you get four tickets for your family? Yeah, that's what they give us. Every fight was gift, four tickets pretty much to give to whoever we want. And who you giving you four tickets to New York. Oh my God, my girlfriend, I got my mom. I got my brother. My older brother, Keith, and then I think his wife knows or anybody that's being left out. There might be like one person left out. I'm not sure because I still have to figure out my third corner. Usually my dad's in my corner, but if he's not and someone's gotta pay up. Would you like to do when you ache like training? Tell us something about you in the off hours here? Just chilling at home. Netflix that you run in fucking hills. What are you doing? You're not. Yeah, I do a lot of extra work. Like if I, if I have a lot of time in between my sessions, usually it's two sessions per day. I'll go for like a run or something like that just to break up today just to add a couple extra things. But if not, I'm doing a lot of writing or I'm listening to podcasts whether it's like some Joey or kill Tony or Brennan child's podcast below the belt or Rogan. I'm just like, I'm what there's so much stuff to watch out there. You know some keeping up with that Jimmy. You mentioned you see unfiltered. Well, he likes. Yeah, I knew that was coming. I was wait. I'm like, wait, like Jimmy sick. Looking at Jimmy about the I five him, and then all of us I was waiting. And then all of a sudden. Joey, Joe Rogan printed Isla likes to kill Tony, likes those guys from from Rogan's crew. Do you like Bert, Kreischer as well for questioning funny, I watch. I watch his Instagram stories a lot too. He's pretty funny. He is good on those. It's hard to be consistently inst-. Interesting on Instagram stories. There's a lot of pressure, Joey, what he fucking takes too many edibles and totally passed out this out. YouTube, he'll do show he Joey, Joey. He'll start eating edibles in his an eyesore, an episode where he just passed out and he's totally pissed. Now he's sleeping. He's people. They accidentally eat one of those stars at death, and that's what my list the do joy DA show. I'm sure you're not. I know, Joey. I hung out with him before that. That's gonna. That's gonna make that happy. Like I feel like I wanna do show, but I'm kind of scared because I feel like he's gonna let slip me. One of those stars at death slip it to me. I'll walk walk, walk on my hands over that fucking thing. Does he play? I think he played Sabbath. I've done it once and I think he played Sabbath. Did it last year. The doesn't play music and you shouldn't play music on your podcast because they could they could yank it. Yeah, he puts in like the old school records sometimes before he starts the podcast. Oh, maybe it's before here. Okay. So him in that guy lead funny dynamic, you know, he seems like a nice guy to that guy. He's a good side kick. You know, it's funny nowadays with the TV like I don't even watch the majorly channel two, four and seven and you don't watch the. You watched growing up. I hold even on TV. I just watch movies and stuff hate booking commercials. I just watch Netflix and YouTube. Jimmy. You Brian use aim Shipman nephew, U2.. U2.'s my thing. I I never watch TV anymore. I literally turn my TV on just to like have it on in the background. I hit mute, and then I just go to YouTube. Watch the podcast. You know who, who's it ever. The last from house of pain and from the Whitey Ford. He was in here recently and he told me about the black Mira show before, and he told me about season for the Star Trek episode. I, you know what I'm talking about? No, no, that black mirror I, I was the first season one episode of it and it was. It didn't really. I didn't like it didn't grabby. Oh, then I saw another one and it was fucking phenomenal. Star Trek. That was awesome. Yeah, that was awesome one. And then I saw nother one like the video game on. I thought I'd really love it. It was so depressing. That one I've seen whole thing. Good. He is like a TV show. It's on Netflix twilight zone. It's like the twilight zone, but I get but has a lot to do with technology. It's fucking cool, man, black Mira yet a great show it, but it's all just there's no ghosts or demons. It's all it's all set in the future and has something to do with technology, and it's all believable because you're like, yeah, I could see technology being there in ten years or thirty years, whatever it is all. It's all fairly believable speculation. Interesting. Yeah, I would definitely check something like that. I just there's just so much to wash that. It's hard to get around to everything. You know it's true and also you're getting ready to fight in a cage Brian. When you think about what's next, what is what do you think about what's next? Because I'll tell you a lot of it's nice that you thinking about it because a lot of guys don't think about it until it's too late. You know, they're like, oh, the time my life fighting travelling in them fighting traveling. It's over the do now. So it's hard man because you're like, like you say, you're trying to live in the moment as best as you can, but it's scary thinking about what's next for me because I truly don't know much of anything else, but fighting, you know. So I'm here. This you're out like what the hell could I do? Because for me, I got into fighting because I was afraid to have a Boston haven't job and be stock. I wanted to be free. I wanted to do something. I love and that I was really truly passionate about. And this is the only fucking thing. We'll try training and train people in a school that type of thing or no, you don't think that's for you. You know, I see a future in that you take. I'm passionate about showing other people with my skills and things that I know. And I do like to get creative with pad work and stuff like that. But it's tough, you know? I mean, I guess I guess the opening Jim and I would like it to be a little different than than every everyone else's Jim, you know. How would you do that? 'cause I'm gonna write down these ideas and put them at some JJ shoot. What do you think? Can you need? You need a Kyle therapy tank. You need a massage therapist. Maybe an infrared sauna Nair. Hey, cryotherapy. I've done that because know Joe recommended me, try it. I couldn't tell the Disney thing or not. Has it helped you? Yeah, it's one of those things like I feel it instantly right after I leave there. I feel like the inflammation kinda drains out, but then I go train again that night. And then it's it's right back pretty much. So it's a temporary fix? Yeah, it's pretty temporary. I feel like it's not. It's just good to do frequently, I guess, throughout training camp to try to drain the inflammation as you go through it. Okay. Now, Montella's only Jackson one fighting you got seven. Overall, is it a kind of challenge to get up for a fight against the unranked because you fought some highly ranked guys before like Lineker. And I'll counter Aachen Tara. A little. Kind of weird going from Barral Lineker and then like someone who who nobody really knows about. But honestly, the goal is just to get a win and get a new deal. This is the third fight on my contract, so I gotta get a win and make your good impression renegotiate for the next deal. So that's really what's important here. That's a lot of you. Don't wanna be fighting guy on the last fight of his contract. You never gonna have to deal with a guy who's got who's on the last five is contract because that guy wants to make a good impression. Yeah, that's true. But you know what for him and it goes the other way like he lost his debut. So he's he's got his back against the French to feel like, yeah, guy come his first fight loss. Yeah, you know, he doesn't wanna go onto. Yeah, so he's trying to redeem that loss and I'm trying to get the new deal. So while I recommend. Yeah, listen, I I know you train hawed and you've been on the dog in other. I'm not sure what. What is this one? But you've been the other do before you went to Brazil. You kicked. S. you kicked ass when people you know, had you count it out, you took out a former champ you're around my hype, my psyche you up Yemen. Good psych myself about Trump on Christa produce hidden shitty thermos. It really is Brian, listen, mid eight best. The luck. Keep a work, a lot with Murrah. That's not gonna. Go bad for you if you keep doing that. Yeah, no, he was. He was over a Long Island a couple of times in the pro practice leading up to his fight. So I got work within then two and he's really good at work with. I love working up so. All right. Well, it's good talking to you, Brian and good luck bam, and try to be at that at that card. The car from top to bottom is incredible. It'd be I hope to see you guys there and maybe Szeroka share star star of death. Dude, I'm down with that body would lock nice talking to you, take care of Ryan. Gotta get on that joy. DA show. Yeah, to cool show. And you know what I mean? I have a good time. What's up Christopher, do sir. I don't know. This is Dwayne Johnson, and I'm excited to let you know that seven bucks productions and cadence. Thirteen are back with a brand new season of America's favorite podcasts. What really happened with Andrew Jenks who doesn't love a Royal wedding, future kings and queens. It's just brilliant. The what if I told you that sometime during the middle ages, there exists a king that history has forgotten a king of France who decided in the midst of war. He'd abandoned his own country and hang out, drink wine and collect clocks in enemy territory. I found this king hanging out in England, meet King John, the lost in the name of all that is Royal what really happened now vailable on apple podcasts and wherever you listen, it's time to ask yourself what really happened. Can we ask you question? Yeah, Jimmy. Any have you guys talked about the fact that Jones Gustafsen to or that was after that happened? Like two hours after we wrapped up talking about l. let me ask you didn't. I speculate that that was going to happen and they were gonna either fight for an interim belt or the belt and museum state heavyweight. And Dana told me I was wrong. I bet he's telling me I was wrong, but the heavyweight because I said the corner is fighting Brock. I had no idea that Derek Lewis was coming. Kind of through that together. I'm shocked to call Cormie is taking that fight shock. Yeah, that's I agree with you on that. Edgar move. I was saying when that got announced like obviously cornea is the favourite going into that, he'll he'll probably win that fight, but they're Lewis is a dangerous guy. Everybody knows he's gonna throw that right in and he landed on everyone. Now call me the Korea will try to put him on the ground immediately and have a huge vantage on the ground and it can take a punch and Cormie can fight standing. Sure. But I, I don't know why you are taking the risk with Jones is coming back and Brock is there and you're taking defining the garden that and also to make that shadow to make that they probably say, listen, you wanna fight. He's probably listen. I actually want to wait. We're going to offer you this much. Well, pretty much. Probably Jones is a big money fight and so is Brock both are much big money fights in Jones's coming back to fight ones Jones fighting the December twenty ninth. As fighting like, you know, a month and a half later, but you know what? The the champion. I mean Cormie. Probably thought highest height of popularity, his own Derek Lewis. That's an exciting. It's a good car. Talked about this fight. I'm just surprised. Sure. Oh, yeah. I got something to say what. It's about John Jones and. Yeah, I think that Jon Jones has hands full. He does. He absolutely when he came back after a layoff and he went to a twenty four p with business. Costas Gus, Gus, Gus, fucked up. Alexander Gustafsen Gustafsen Alexander, I like to call h. e. h. e. h. e.. You know his fight with gloves there to Shera along Glover. Was an amazing thing the watch and I know gloves different fighter, you know than Jones. But he's just been looking better and better. He hasn't fought in a hot minute with since that fight, which. Glover let me. Let's see. I mean, that's that's a tough fight. Man and tough fight when Jones was being active and kicking ass. And so I mean, man, we'll guess since given Jones and Cormie who are, you know, two of the best ever one and two in the light heavyweight division. Basically other than gusts he's giving them both the hardest fights of their career which they've said that fight was may twenty seventeen. So it's over a year. The hardest fight of career couldn't have been Gustafsen. It's got to be the Jones who beat them twice. Well. I mean, arguably, obviously got knocked out, but the gusts of fight was a grueling fight. You know that arguably gossips in could one that and the one against Jones Jones. When was your incredible fight? Yeah, they're fighting for the light heavyweight. Dana told me I was wrong about that. But then maybe he meant the heavyweight at that point that the Derek Lewis thing didn't happen yet. So it's like you know, stuff kind of falls into place. Tell me what's going on with this drama with with Daniel cormier and former champ steep a little back and forth on Twitter, nothing crazy. I wanna hear about it deep as pissed off, of course because he's not getting the shot. And I don't blame debate for being pissed off. Didn't even set the record for defenses with four and he wants. He wants a rematch, but again, get knocked out in the first. It's gonna be a little harder to sell that than an exciting Derek Lewis fight. Right. Well, Steve is saying that he offered to fight on this card and I, you know, who knows what the. What are you -ccomplish at that heavyweight alone though? I know he got caught in that first round, but before he got caught, they will going, you know. And I can't blame him be impeached what? What? What's going on? What the fuck did they steep? It was a longer video, but then the comment under the video that steep posted said nine times out of ten IB everybody knows it. DC knows it. No heavyweight has ever -ccomplish where I have hashtag heavyweight goat DC responded. He said, damn, seems like I've knocked my guy steamy. It silly come on guy. Don't be thirsty. We're still good. You got next Brock doesn't make it. And then Steve said, you beat me that night. I respect that, but it would never happen again. I carry the torch in this division for a long time. I've been staying up all night with my newborn, newborn daughter, and I still offered to fight Univer third with zero camp weeks ago. That'd be a bad move by steeper. One hundred percent fighting no camp. Well, I'm saying to map last week that I, you know, I don't know if it played into it a little bit, but rock hold is fighting November. Third against Wiedeman you fight DC. You're going to assume training with him during that. So DC's already working a bit with rockets. He's already start preparing. I wonder if that was a bit of a factor in him. You know, taking this fight on short notice in Suming. I'm assuming assuming you don't assume, you know, listen, you know what? I'm assuming guys, what's that. I don't want to be all Jimmy. I'm assuming Jimmy's his diet here. How dare you wrong. Got wrong. I see goldfish. I see pretzels. We'll see Gopez I see pretzels. I snacks snacks couple of sexual outside because this stupid facility we do. I do the gym and I was after the gym Hungary and get a piece of salmon or something. Hunch. There was no time to do it today. So I came here just to eat something. I had these two little snack. They're not big. It's not a competition. No, it's not being so good and you're being so big holding, what is this? What is look like? Nude picture of a man. Is Saturday night. Free bar. They're not sponsor me jerky. Fuck and. Just visit appropriate payment. What I'm trying to say is in how I'm being an asshole is what I'm being and it's okay. It's okay to ask you love again wrong, and I tell feel fat. I mean, I'm doing it because I'm guilty Jimmy because you don't want normally I'm worried about you just want to worry about not really worried because you're right, but you starting your other radio gig. You're an hour earlier earlier. So when I used to work all night security, Jimmy way, way, way back way back before becoming champion and hall of Famer. I were all night security. I told you this before midnight? Eight. Twenty. And when I'm tired, really, I eat bed. I'm tired. I'm gonna. You know quantum off in the truck. They get the and I'm going to drive home that. So what I'm worried about my friend Jimmy is that now your little tired. I never this not listen. That's not that it's a little teeny mega goldfish little teeny, weeny small fund size bags. You know, there's nothing fun about getting dia Jimmy. I don't mind excited like a pig for a week, but I'm just hungry. I didn't have any food after I worked out. You gotta eat something after the gym. Of course we had some sound effects. Jim is not. Oh, shit, Jimmy. I wanna hear one that you're very familiar. I wanna hear how your weekend went this weekend. I want to. I can't wait. Wait for it. I want to. I want you to tell me I want to. It was. Okay. All right. It's a little. All right. Another one is. Anyway, I flew here from Long Island and boys. My owns. Terrible. Cricket, sound effect. Fast here that again, that sucks. Horrible. Gotta change the curriculum. We'll tell my God. I know you thought you liked it and all of a sudden. The car car-crash the with that one, Jim feel being Anthony's show. Mile. Sure. Jimmy, you that about, will you on the show when they started doing? Don't remember, probably. Okay. I probably then I feel like it's okay because I believe. It was before me any w. I don't know what I don't want is the biting off any of the show. It's okay. What have we Jimmy two car crash. It's a. It's Chris. Well, that's it right. Yeah, we just had others. I just wanna your original ready Jimmy. You know. By the way we were talking before the show you actually gave him a call, Ryan, la- flare you have to message for me. Now he announce he's retiring from that loss. I'm like, you know, I saw that on the air and I'm like, you know, why don't we just give me an era talk about it. So he left me a message. I will listen to it afterwards. I'm sure he saying that I want to come in and hang out. 'cause I like Ryan do feel like, listen, he got caught there that last way back to the head, you know, and he got stopped and his last. Though he won his last one before this, and then he lost the one prior to that and both of those stoppages which is kinda scary the no the one before Allah. Very, yeah, but it was a decision win over this decision he won, yes. And then he lost his last one just the other day to to twenty Martin twenty thirty Ritchie's. He's the the, the guy does the straight conditioning along the fucking might talking about. But anyway. I, I always felt like I mean, the guy only before that he went five rounds Damian Maya, and you lost. And then he had a couple of tough fights. But man, I always thought he was like one dark horse division. So any listen at a really good career, but here's a school among island. Oh, I'd like to have many have proper goodbye a lot. He's a good. He's got a good sense of humor. He's funny. By the way, the co main at the garden. Another amazing fight is cyborg AMAN newness. That's what she's thirty two December charge. I meant Joe, you're right in front of me two-thirds. That's an amazing Komen. That's for Jones. Gus in which is Vegas something in December twenty ninth that's been New Year's Eve card or the New Year's Eve. Two night before then, what's the Coleman in the garden. The official owner hasn't been set. So I'm not sure actually. Okay. But that was supposed to be. I think it was supposed to be called Nate Diaz and but that for years. But that for a hip injury. Yeah. And he had to tell a specialist and then of course wanted to be pulled. I guess he wants to fight could be. I know. I mean, that's, that's frustrating because it doesn't make sense. She's not going to happen really gives us a what is going on with this, what the is stupid. It's probably rock holding could be. Uh-huh. What's up with the poli- mileage? Unagi you. Let's go. What does that? What am I seeing? Obviously from after two twenty nine. He put out a. You know he was giving an interview or tweeted that like Connor's here. Why muscle read it and said, when when you're pussy, it's always going to come out when you're in combat sports. You can only hide that factor so long because you're going to get to the point. We have to show some balls. This guy I've been saying for while is going to go down as the most overrated guy and mixed martial arts history. He continually signed checks and his asking cash. He had an over hyped record on the come up. This is the most over hyped guy in combat sports history, forget mixed martial arts, which I think is nuts. What do you think about that. I think he's listen. I mean, I'm not going to say overrated. I like his skill set. I think when you go verse Khabib. He he's outgun. That's why he didn't anything in that fight is show me deserves a rematch. I think you should go out last other ground little more than I thought he would know. I do some good stuff I, I'm on the record saying that I'm impressed with his ground defense. I think he did great that first round, but excuse me, Khabib does. He's just getting better as it goes along. Not that that Khan is always shown a problem, what isn't there, but he's showing some signs of some fights got the Teague and with Diaz and. And also would Floyd and it's a different scenario with the boxing. But you know, there was some some problems with his endurance. So I mean, that's the worst guy to fight could be, but a lot of the guys that division I t matches a phenomenal wit because he's got such good hands. And again, he's not that Eddie Alvarez look what he did, the dust Emporia. So overrated, no bobbing I is going to be by very much doubt it. But that's the thing though. I mean he, he obviously paulie has a history with Connor. He like them sparring, but I don't think people I don't think anybody was saying that CONNER was definitely going to go in there and beat could be. Say over, say in that kind of, but we weren't going to be surprised what happened happened. I, I don't think anybody thought that by the way, a fight that I'm besides a branch and jock array, which I'm really it's gonna be a good fight. Jerry Brunson against Israel at of Sonya. I am really looking forward to who were probably gonna talk to both of them, but definitely Israel at assigned before that. Good, good. Yeah. He's fourteen in and Brunson is is a very tough guy. So that's an interesting fight. That's not who I would have picked for him. I'm glad he's taking the fight. I wanna talk about that. I really enjoyed that quick tent quartet thing tending with with the grappling that you're a thaw. Those those fun who won. They had a draw him in soccer rabble, but I watched. I watched it in different times. I watched Eddie Bravo's team versus the Polaris team, and that was fun. I soar Gregor Gracie gets nice fucking 'camorra. He took out like two guys in a row, and then if you keep staying in this tournament until like, so if you beat one guy that you gotta go with, you stay in the fresh guy comes in from the team. So you go over his guy. So then you'd be dad guy. You got another fresh guys, so it's a pretty cool format. And I, I enjoyed that. All right. Let's get back to Derek Brunson. I didn't want to forget that boy. Not only did I enjoy watching it. I picked up some techniques watch Gordon. ROY was taking a certain armlock which was very nice. Gordon Ryan destroyed nothing by the way. He's gonna John downers, and also. Who else Gordon Ryan, Craig Jones men such really, really, really good. You jitsu that. And normally some of the grappling stuff I could just I even I loved your jitsu tournaments doing get bored with dano, but right, Derek. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. I think it's going to be a great fun. Derek came off fight with Chaka rhino. I think that was probably the last one let me said he has. And let's tell me about Israel's last night. It was. We were there. It was. He's undefeated. Oh my God. Don't brag diverse. He brought to our side by decision. Right? It was decision. Yeah, and he'd beat him very decisively though methodical. That's the thing that's interesting about this because Brunson is a guy that you know he just comes out towards that big left. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he comes out real hard early and it'll be interesting to see what what is you'll does with that real show. Some some houses ground game could be some. I mean, I don't remember if he got taken down against Vars, but I, I know he has pretty good grappling defense. He doesn't get taken down as easily as you think, and it'll be it'll be tested probably in this fight. No, he showed some pretty good defenses. Well, this looks he'll enter. It is very interesting. Jacques one picks yet. No, it's just an interesting. What's talk about. Give me something else. I like Darren till it's moving up to middleweight. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. As he saying the weight cut is what hurt him and that fight what he's here, we'll. So he said, I'm a big dude for welterweight to be honest, that's probably going to be my last fight at that weight versus Woodley to twenty eight welterweight is in fully God for me, but I'm happy to be going up to middleweight now and I'll be strong. Wait, not having to cut as much weight. I'll have a few fights at middleweight and you never know down the line of woodley's still the champ. I can have another go for him. That's a rematch. I want the future's bright, how tolls he. I don't know. Let's say he wasn't saying that that's why he lost the way. Cut isn't even taller than Woodley if he has an inch taller, not no longer arms and pretty sure how much he'll six foot. And let's see what Woodley as well. You know what's interesting, maybe at least five, nine, but the well, the the reaches. The leg the leg diff. But you know, what's interesting is that a lot of guys, man, rob Whitaker, Calvin gas, Loom. I mean, look at these guys when they they fought up away Klis. What more more than actual weight defunct doing great. Yeah. This might be one of those cases, Philly saying that in assigned this one of those. Be we'll wait worse on field ever fucking. I'm giving this good. What are the man. With the strong going to sell the internet or whatever. Whatever's going on here, it's through bluetooth. So if there's something going on, who knows? I don't know. Maybe it's being blocked. I moved. Now try the crickets again. Panel stinks too fast, fast crickets on cocaine over. It should just be. Yeah, they should just be. Ramsbottom rap devil, man. Let's talk about it. What else we got. So tell you sure. That I watched, Tom, we got his whatever time you want movie minute, Jimmy. Wow. Jenny wants to do a movie meta. Jamie won't do the breakup shore because we got to talk about. Absolutely. And we'll talk about it, hit it. On that on that. Hi, everybody. We're taking it back. Jimmy, Jimmy. We take you back. Back way back Jimmy where taking it way back way back to when did hot tub time machine come out, you know on nineteen eighty something. No, we're really not. I I've never seen it fucking eighties. What did you twenty ten. What if you never seen it such a fun movie if you watch my if anybody's followed by Instagram? Mets, ever, BJ j I put a clip of it on very funny clip, wasn't it. That's when they went back in time and they will go down with the double diamond at the ski resort. They used to go to kids and they really like younger, even though they look older, that's why they don't really took a wipe out and they feel they feel great. That's like, I feel fantastic. What's the, what's his name? Who's the big leg? Patricia. Neal, your around Jeff bridges. Guy was a bad guess Craig Robinson, love Craig Robinson, I feel I feel crazy, and it was the other guy, the ball guy at it. Oh. Jimmy stopped. Cordray thinks he's taking anyone. They feel great, yell stuff. Look about Instagram, you see the clip, but I watched this the other day and I'll tell you right now as far as comedies go top notch, I watched don't the applause, that's long. That's not top. It deserves a wide applause. Hot tub time machine. It's got laughs. It's one of those. It's almost so perfect that I could watch was every time it comes on Jimmy. I have never seen it. It's fun. It's just fun. You know, got a little like a still a little politically, correct, but it's it's, it's when you watch comedies from ten years ago and you're like, oh, they wouldn't say that now, but said, and they wouldn't do that, you know. But let me sum it up really quick in about a guy. I don't want to give it away. What do you want me to say about it? Whatever won't give it away is about friends like they got a friend that supposedly tried to kill himself. I know it's a comedy, but you can't really prove the kilter. But anyway, they want to get together. Wanna cheer them up. So they bring them to a ski resort that they used to go to when they were youngsters, and it was the best time of their lives and they wanted to capture it and then they bring their John Cusack who's in it l. of junk who Zack. He's things say anything yields the stereo on, but he brings his nephew along doing nothing to playing video games and this and that, and he's got that kid's name. He's a, he's a good actor too, but anybody go up there to please turn to shit. They hop tub and they spilled Russian fucking red bull that they had any fucked it up. And anyway, it became a time machine, hence hot tub time machine. I'm not getting all, but Chevy Chase's like their little. Guide in all this because he goes to work on the Jim chasing Chevy Chase, I sure have apparently really pleasant guy to be around. I already thought. Silly with that. Did you really hear he's around shame because he's funny and she is he fouled play. That's another movie minute. I just seems like old times. Sure. Does Jimmy time machines. Popularity is up four hundred twenty three points this week according to I gotta think that's the Matt Serra. What did you say? Popularity's up like over four hundred points this week, Jimmy. Whoa. People like what? I like. You've a lot of power. Thank you. I, they, they have to kinda like relive like, they're, they have to do everything exactly how it went down so they don't do one of those butterfly effects. You know, shit, fun, fun. Wait for Jimmy. Wait for it. Fun. Okay. I'll give it was listen. Watch hot tub time machine. I notice the sequel and it looked like shit. What's funny about that is on my Instagram, somebody I put that little clip with their Bruce buffer further. My Bruce sponsor him. He chimes, he's like, oh, I love the movie too, and make sure you check out the sequel for a surprise. I heard he's in the sequel but no offense or the sequel shit guys spruce. That's great. But I think Bruce place himself this equals at the same guys. It's the same guys except for John Cusack because he's probably like, look, man, I'm going from say anything which was great. Not only let's. He was also a lot of the movies. How old is Louie tenures. No, it's twenty ten. Okay. Yeah. Close to it, but I'll tell you what a fucking movie. I can't say anything about the second one. I watched a little bit of it and I was I can't. He didn't care for. I mean, what was wrong? The hangovers I can't get. I mean, they were okay, but sure they almost ruin it. You know, it's not like dog that was excellent predator to Howdy shack to better than the original. I what better Cecchi Mason that was. The original God, so bad, Jimmy, so bad, but nothing like the original. So I say everybody, hey, you'll do a lot worse than getting hot tub time machine from the red box. I don't know what they get it on, but I don't know where you to see it. I watched it. I caught on cable the other day and I fuck. I watch that thing every time. It comes on one. It's in my top ten comedies. Top five, maybe that's all I gotta say about hot tub time machine zero pissed breaks, go see it would I go see my wife the other day while we're talking about movies, I saw a movie. Keep of clean Jimmy. What are you gonna saying? The none. Did you say I went and saw the nuns? Scary movie, yeah, it was about the, you know, the people that did the conjuring and whatever the other one movies this was was there's there's a painting creepy. None. Very creepy. Nine, that's a horrifying moment is painting in this movie and they made a movie about the non in the painting where it's about. There's a non who kills herself haunted convent in the woods takes place like fifty years ago. And these, this guy, this priest in this new, none have to go up there and figure out what's going on and painting. You know, there's a character stop thinking. You're putting funny characters fucking movies with or not needed. A character named Frenchie in this stupid movie, Fred, she always the same one from Greece. No, this was not the same French offered her. I liked it as a kid. It was a friend of kidney Livia. Newton. I like soccer Channing. I had no idea. She was fifty eight when she did that movie. Rhys. She was a whore Hickey from Kennedy. She was a whore. She said this guy friend, she plays the sidekick. Oh, I hope he gets it from the none. I hate fucking witty line. Really. I'd kicks they ruin every movie. Their dialogue is never funny what he line side kicks. It took me out of the fucking movie every time he was very good actor, but I didn't need the shitty dialogue, the snippy dialogue. I don't know about side kicks, which should he lines, but I'm not into fucking horror movies, so I'm gonna have none of it. Jimmy. Oh, was that a pun? I just really. I didn't joys that before. I don't think it was. I had to put up the energy to touch me. I said the people at home do joke again. Could you said about sidekicks even kind of calls? I don't think I'm a psychic, but Jimmy kicks having about having psychics having shitty lines you talking about the not the horror movie. I said, I don't like movies we got. I said, I don't like our movies. So I say. I'll have none of it. We don't like harm movies. What would you? I'll have none of it when I, when I said none of it, I mean, and you end the movie, I saw good. I just wanted to. The seller with that joke. I can't go for the well. I think they would enjoy it. Did not gonna join Comoran. It comes on that fucking Boonmee it. They would have that shit. It was a moderately scary film watching not amazing. No, I'm not gonna stop with the snippy fucking dialogue in a horror movie. It's like an example. I can't think of it, but I just did one like what was the snippy law light that his name is Frenchie like he's shows up with a gun at one point during a really scary moment and says something like you needed the help, like one of those type of Dushi lines. It's like shut the, you're talking about a non hunger sell. This is a gate to hell, snappy lines. This isn't lethal weapon. Fuck. Oh, wasn't really bug me. It wishes it was. I hated that part of it. Did you that part of it? We'll be tells us, okay, it was all right. Yeah, I went to my wife deal. Day jimmy. What I saw venom. Fuck that. I very. Very Jimmy, Jimmy that I heard it was terrible. Blasphemy, jimmy. Fuck you, Jimmy. Oh, my. Yeah, I just heard. Producer, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I heard Jimmy. I listen, you know, me and my movies, Jimmy. I have to talk about this really quick. We're extending the movie minute. We'll get right back up. I may love action in a second, but really quick about venom. I enjoyed it. I fuck you to join it. Man. What the fuck with these critics. I'll tell you some stuff with the plot. Can I say one part though? It's Tom Hardy's. Fucking great. Tom, what he was great, and he plays almost like a. Like one of those journalists is that you know like not TMZ type kinda like that. Like, you know what I mean? One of those journalists like many other word. So he's like. Like the male, lowest lane type thing. So he's, you know, whatever it is corporation and yada yada. They took some stuff, some space, and they're doing experiments anyway, the symbol light, something like that. I might as fucked it a symbiotic. Thank you. See, I read about it, but I'm not a fucking moron. That's like thing. The Symbian. Okay, Benham's. So anyway, he needs a host and it has the connect to the right host or us fucking just make killing people right off the bat. He gets hooked up with venom sores, long story short. The only thing I don't like, what? What through you all is I the beginning vintage just like, you know, taking control a woman doing all sorts of shit, say, listen, I'll do whatever we, we're going to do whatever we want to do and you do what I want to do and you might survive this thing and then some point and then there's another bad simulate, what is it? Symbiotic Simba's. Somebody. And he went into another guy who was a bad guy that guy's really killing everything. And all sudden goes, look, Tom already, which is Brock and he goes, hey, this venoms says, only look, I change my mind. I want to. We're going to bring up. We're gonna take over this planet and eat everybody because people he goes. I'm just, you know why he was to tell you true daddy back at my planet. I'm kinda like a loser like you. He was so I wanna kinda stay here, you know, and be a winner thing. What the fuck. So in other words, he's somebody here because he's big fucking Venemen, you know, and that's it. So he changed his mind. He's wanted to stay because he's a loser on his own planet. So then he went any team Zoli super villain who got bullied on his home planet put it was done, but it was done in a there was a lot of good moments that it was fun and three day. No, I thought it. I maxed though. MRs we saw that thing max, I'm active. What was it available? Three d or no. Might have been. Maybe they didn't make it that way. I'm ex sometimes wanna go to big. I love. I would watch a courtroom drama on. I wouldn't anything. You know, let's get back to solicit venom. Go see it hot tub. Time machine. Go get it wherever you can get. It sounds like venom at a couple of people though. Let me say about p. breaks take one in the maybe break, but I did enjoy it. I heard it was shit from from critics and. They gotta relax. Watchos nerdy shows. I watched like their nerdy things on the internet with the internet. I watched the show called collider. It's all like, and it's a, it's a podcast thing, and they're talking about Kiko the ski should that I'm into. So one of the fucking guys name, but one of the main guys, I was watching a little thing and he was talking. And he brought my name about he was talking about the thing is he talking about he brought up how he made money off of Gators scrappy kid from Long Island, he was going, I only fuck who's this? I forgot his name. It really, really rudes story. I've got his name, but I do watch that show a lot. Shows the light, a lighter collider, show me the pictures of the guys. I know I'll know the guy's name right away because he mentioned me and I'm gonna hit. I'm gonna hit them up on Instagram, something. I'm gonna tell me, dude, I want a geek if you do the show from LA. But if you do this show here in the strong island, a stroke, I if you do it as a New York, I will fuck in on the show and I'll be a guest guests don't make rabbit for that's him. Who's that guy? What's his name? Click on him. Gonna play done. We're gonna get shut off now. What's his name? Because I like him and John schnatter schlep who died, a guy died did like the behind the scenes on the superman movie that Christian Karloff as a Christian or Mark Ellis. Mark Ellis. I don't think who that guy with the hat on. I'll tell you right now. Let's see, and it'll introduce himself. Can you skip the gun. We can't play power behind power. You appreciate that thing Jimmy. I was, yeah, sale though. Then kill you to the right his, what's that guy's name. Let's see if his this is live right now. So I don't know. All right. Can we get to the bottom of this anyway? I like when nerds like me because I'm a nerd or a geek because I'm not book smart here. Here's the names. You already Christian Rockies the girls Riley Riley, Cobb, Stor, Riley's girl to Cody, not on the Ryan. I know I just like to show because I like the day. Don't they talk about like Star Wars to talk about? They talk about all the the item about Jimmy except all like they all like it. It's like fucking somebody just like pitching Jimmy's nipples, I don't mind it. I'm not a big fan of it. Like I like some Star Wars Jimmy, but I think overall, George Lucas stinks, I think the fuck any walks stunk and he's if he had his way you don't look that Christmas special. The stores Christmas special that to me is George Lucas. Did you ever see it? That to me is his doing. Was doing it for the kids. It's horrible, right? Yeah. But like Kubrick wouldn't have done that. Last time we were talking about the that it lasts hand solo one, and that's a fun movie. I still think stand by being a fun movie didn't do. Although a little weird when you have the fuck female robot going, what do you want? Equal rights? And it gets a little nutty with that shit. I go, fuck yourself, calm down. Was it a joke? No, it's stupid. I don't like when they get too much like that. It's like stuff stuff down, Kim, two thousand. You're really, you're freeing all the droids, the droid Jeffrey. The droids go, fuck yourself please. But other than that, she had a crush on Landau that it was kinda made her like walking on a regular robots, kind of big. Anyway, I enjoy the movie. I look past some shit, Jimmy. Yeah. Back to Derek Brunson Israel. I was just gonna say just something that we could wrap up with. Let's rap. All we did predictions at the end of last year for who would be the champions at the end of this year. So we'll do that again a couple of months, but figure maybe we revisit them and kind of see where we are doing some time. Yeah. So for the flyweight division, we all had mighty mouse to be the champion at the end of the trash. Obviously, that's not going to happen. That's probably the whole the belt bantamweight division. Jimmy, Jimmy Rivera to be the champion at the end of this year. Okay. Mad you a dominant cruise, but unfortunately crews hasn't had a fight this whole, you know, this whole time I could pick them at t. j. dillashaw. So it seems like that might end up being the case unless they put together, so who toe or whatever, but featherweight. Jim and should hudo Jamaica. For further. Wait me and Jim, both had Brian Ortega, Matt. You had Frankie Edgar. So what about Frankie? Edgar any word on Holly or take when that is right when that's December eighth. Okay. All right. So we know that I could still be right, correct. Yes. We're taking the chance. Frankie obviously gave up his shot title so mad. You could have been in it, but it's probably not going to happen. They're lightweight. This probably not a lot's going to change here. Me and Jim, both had Tony Ferguson, Matt, you had Khabib and could be looks like he's going to be the champion for me. Welterweight you guys both at wonderboy Thompson, which I don't think he's gonna know probably not going to be up for grabs by the end of the year, and I had tired Woodley. Okay. Middleweight we all have Chris wideman across the board. By not going to get a title shot of the no fighting, definitely earn one with a win over Rockall word light-heavyweight Jim. You had Gustafsen. Matt, you have DC and IDC as well. Well, let's see what happens. So I have a shot at that one. Yeah, and I have a shot at Ortega's, correct. Okay. Well, actually, yeah, me and matter both. Gonna lose one because going to lose light heavyweight title. When these second Jeff. Jeff heavyweight, Jim, you at Franson Gado doesn't seem like that's going to happen. Matt. You had steep doesn't seem like sleep is going to get a shot. And I had came to Alaska who I thought was it was kind of rumor that he was coming back, but. Women Stroh Jessica on drudge. There's no word you had just gone dry Jim, no word, whether she's getting the next job, but it's like she's kind of in line probably won't happen for the year. It doesn't seem and me and map both had rose. And then for flyway we all have Valentina shift chanko which we, she is definitely getting flyweight title shot December eighth. So we'll see what happens there bantamweight being Jim, both have Amanda noon as Matt. You had cats in Ghana. Oh yeah. Cat which she's always she's always kind of in contention, but it doesn't seem like she's gonna get the title shot before the end of the year, like Cadillac. And then me and Jim, both have cyborg as the featherweight champion were mad has Holly home, but I like Holly home a lot too. Hey, love she. She can kick ass, but she also danced the whole on MandA is not going to lose the. She's going the fighting the find the funding, correct? Yeah. So it seems. So that when I got and you got to, right? Yeah, I had that one. I had that one is fascinating, but little, you know, we don't want that. Yep. Yeah. Good. Thank God listening. Why? Because because I saw something I don't wanna say them and. Old on show? Yes, fighting fucking Comorros. Mun. Yeah, they mentioned that what he did you mention that today? I've we, we Jim talked about it, but you were late that episodes, I think, oh, came back up. So that's why I left it on. The train was late Jimmy word, but a child you work with a child Hooker. I know how do we deal with this guy Christopher, get your act together anyway, listen guys, gals, what do you think about that are great. I think it's a nominal fight, and I think it's. It's a, it's a, it's a man. It's a tough one for the main event of the ultimate fighter. Finale e that that's not announced, but I would assume that that would be the main event of. Yeah, I've got to be. Yeah, if it's like Paris Israel, was that a tough alley fight? Yes. If who's been who's been wins? Man, he should be. They should really be talked about. It depends on how that fight goes, but that's that that that could mean a long for tomorrow when he takes if he is up taking out one hundred percent. I mean, that could be a similar problem for RDA the same way. Coley was right. I mean, present similar problems. No, it does. It really. It really does, but this is three round fight. Was that other? Well, no end, it would be a five oceans. Not officially yet, but it seems like it would what I like about RDA at this way is that we get to see a lot of jujitsu. He has some the SIM slick transitions and escapes and whatnot. So at tax, I mean the the Neil Magny. I mean, you know, I, I'm excited for that fight. I really am. I really, really, really more excited than that than to see the none. None was not particularly this type of two between RDA's number three, Mars number six. When people talk about, you know fighters just that there's no rhyme or reason to the rankings and this and that this is a fight that proves that there really is though most of the time Comorros Muslim workings way up. RDA just comes off the tough loss against another tough. Whereas Derek Lewis ranked before this last night. Let's see. Let's check taking off his pants. Santa's balls, a hot, really got him that and that rank to me it just one. He wins a big fight in the third round. I understand why why they give him the shot. Lewis was actually because this is updated after the two Twenty-nine cards. I think he was probably five or six. Probably five. That low before will. Yeah, because I just switched with Volk of who's number two. So. So. I'm gonna end is going to be performing this weekend in San Antonio. Also going to be in Houston to go to Jim Norton dot com for tickets. Also, if you wanna come see me in Seattle the following week, I'll be Jimmy, don't judge me. I like machine gun Kelly and Eminem, but then I can listen to. That soon as teenage dirtbag I don't know it. It's such a nice on Jimmy. I it, you know, and it's just so mellow. I like everybody. Listen, tree, tree, jujitsu. It was a great day at serving j. morning. I was practicing my Ashi Grammy to x. card to reverse x. into inside he'll of Jin. My wife was on the other side pad. Workers will travel sell there. It's a great way to start your day. You know, serve JJ dot com. That and Henry. Thank you. Everybody we all back in a couple of days we will start. Right. Okay. All right. Good. Bye. Bye.

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Ravenscourt: Chapter Three: A Twist of Fate

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Ravenscourt: Chapter Three: A Twist of Fate

"Epic Productions Presents Ravens Course an original limited series podcast created by David. Horgan chapter three a twist of fate. My colleagues say that it's unethical for me to share a patient sessions but in my heart. I know that Alicia would want her story to be heard. She was so desperate for anyone to believe her. I didn't at the time in a twister fate. She's the only person that can lend credence to my story. Because I'm not even certain that I believe it my serve in the first half of my life. I accumulated things an education money career partner. The place to call home now in the last half of my life. Some of these slipped away things. I couldn't hold onto some losses. We have to accept even if they are failing health and loneliness but there are things that I refuse to accept lies and the destruction of innocent. I have to help. I have to try. The nurses Tummy stopped eating. This is a hospita. We have ways of making you eat. Don't want to push it through the. I know you're upset about Alex but I promise you. It is not your fault patients. Safety is our top priority. But this isn't a prison. If someone is determined to leave can find a way out no it was a very selfish thing for him to people who care about are worried sick like you and his parents. They don't care. I'm sure they still love him don't they. Don't you'll turn up no key won't what do you think happened to him? This place this place. What is a him? It's just a building become tortue. We discuss this. The medication is just a crutch. You have to realize that these thoughts aren't real voices and other scenery. You have to have the insights to see that they are not. They can't be tired. I have a glass of water. I'm looking to increase your medication. Lucidity has decreased since last week. I'll have you been sleeping. I just lay there and forget I'm awake. I know it's difficult to you but you should try to do some activity during the day. I'm active all day activity. That is in smoking yes doctor. What about voter? Have you had any contact with Boda? Yes the camera. Hasn't seen we see him. He lives in the shadow behind the mirror. Only oilman he says I'm special also. He wants to be incite me to even want to get out of here. I do want to get better more than anything. My sister said she take me out. Windsurfing West or the ocean. And there's so much salt in the air you can taste it. She promised to teach me to win surf. When I get better and this time stay better. I miss her. You don't have a sister you're an only child. You don't have an older sister or brother who died when you were child. Liar Liar. Liar pants on fire. Reality is here is right in front of you. You just have to reach out and grab it off. We would like to go back to our room now. She is very tired. Who Am I speaking? No-one Boda yes. Listen to me pulled up. I need to ask a question. It's very important that I speak to her. He's afraid there's no need for her to be a free there is. She needs to go to the bathroom. Answer my question. I warn you at this point. I saw that leash had soiled herself called for female nurses to take her to the bathroom. Not too sure how it happened. But I failed to notice that she had simply empty glass of water into the pocket of addressing gun and took it with her. She attacked the nurse slashing her face. The poor woman needed nineteen stitches. She locked herself one of the stalls and opened her wrists thighs. She had almost search accuracy but fortunately for her the nurse was to raise the alarm and unleashes. Life was spared that day she was moved to Saint Kevin's more secure hospital for the violently disturb. Shortly after this incident I began drinking. I never let it affect my work until I did. My inner analyst told me I was drinking to wash away my guilt for failing my patient but the unfortunate reality is that over the years. I've had many patients whose treatment was unsuccessful. I drank to drown out the dreams. I've been sober for three hundred sixty one days and every night of dreamt of the same same Ravens Court. It's been calling to me and then this mysterious letter show to end this story and finally get answers. I'm going to return to where all this started back to the beginning. Ravens course stars. Mark Dalton and Irene Kelleher produced an edited by epic productions distributed by Cornucopia Radio.

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Kirk Minihane Gets the Rich Kelleher Experience

The Kirk Minihane Show

2:44:39 hr | 11 months ago

Kirk Minihane Gets the Rich Kelleher Experience

"Yeah yeah yeah fuck you pittsburgh's suck it right football's back yeah i'm echoey echoey sound fun to me i sound okay yeah it sounds weird to me whatever yeah fuck you willie cologne fuck you snooze yeah i wish i was there last night hangouts bros. barstool excited yesterday was really football do you watch ninety more <hes> i watched a little bit lot not a lot i thought so well yeah it was i went to halftime just because it was late all right united and ask about your viewing habits for the game okay i'm just just US mine that was going to answer but then interestingly gave yours as a football l. expert like to hear your answers on football is hard to have a lock of the week so be raw site off by thirty seven points is that right right was it six and a half and they lost six six thirty something that you're off i thirty six points and four for that next thursday on the show you're going to we're gonna have to i'm working on the right now we have a nice clean line for you to lay out for we're gonna tease it for it makes it better for the event every gosh i think every week all right like your kids city over it was a win though yes people forget about that which people all the people they do people to kill myself got my head in the oven yesterday like what am i gonna do i picked again well i mean look it's you should take it seriously paid for them i'm just saying i'm much better reason to kill myself i think if somebody took your advice maybe they should consider that if they're really thinking hey why mike knows talking at seventy one year old guy omaha misguided yeah but you fell into the browns hype class move she's look here's what line okay and i'm happy to talk sports we can talk all morning six months seven seven seven nine seven nine three seven one those lines is loaded cooking please <hes> you can't make any judgments after we call on no i agree that's it's funny you say that because i was just thinking in the the thing is it's a marathon sprint and i think people forget that is often people yes <hes> <hes> does this mean that the patriots are in control in the AFC right now your oh but it's it's let me check the calendar here took only september so i mean history is filled with teams that got off to fast starts and finishes but the thing about the patriots is they do this year after year after after year after year i can't believe i'm putting on the television two thousand nineteen tom brady's doing this i mean is it gonna time machine he's forty two years old there's twenty two years old who knows at this point six one seven seven and eh trent dilfer nine o'clock i just think that it's when i'm watching right now is unusual when you factor in we seem brown around yet magic this team and is that mr gronkowski checking in maybe a couple of months now interesting getting theory you play the nineteen in though card i play the nineteen o card but we don't know nothing till the weather changes in this team faced some adversity six one seven seven seven nine seven 93.7 those guys ever in the room with someone else because that would be infuriating to have a conversation with like i i didn't know when you were done by yourself as a joke at somebody keep stepping in do i think dice clay would have been great as vinnie yes i do yes i do szekler that was a good question i have to say we're not going to do a lot of sports here i am so endlessly fascinated this is why it's probably best for everyone first of all i'm happy to be here i'm here with mike and with steve and some friends come along later here one woman actually terrified of the other actually generally terrified of i think it's a good what percentage chance that we all died today i asked with seriousness of steve would bring his weapon we're okay why are you saying that we're okay so much you texted me yesterday i think we'll be fine you're actually nervous i go be fine why do you act speak like this would you hide nothing think think we're going to be okay that's all i'm saying t's related don't fuck with this guy make new air of danger in the air for people who may be listening to him that's no good <hes> <hes> the patriot whatever the pictures are great we know that they're going to do the greatest team whatever they have a lot to say about that i wouldn't have a lot to say about that that was on the air to them i don't know what to say on the air about about brown on the nothing ambi also saying i am so endlessly fascinated i can do this before care of right yeah i'm so endlessly fascinated by the machinations and evil that permeates through the boston red sox organization really that you know if anybody thinks so so they fired their their president last night dave dombrowski after the game they're they're nineteen and a half games behind the yankees is that right somebody is such pleasure sexual chill pleasure from that <hes> watching team crumble they fired their essentially the general manager with two weeks three weeks ago whatever in a meaningless like there's nothing nothing general manager can do at this point i mean he's not gonna make any moves so if you think they just did that because the team stinks you know nothing about the red sox the globe the entire organization they're going to start digging under brosky get ready for the polar smear piece interesting what i can't think of anything that will come out yeah well yeah but that's fine but it's stuff they they knew the whole time of course you know the right thing in the play some moral high ground when they were aware in enabling if stuff comes out that's where you get somebody who's been the subject of smear stuff from the globe that's work it's disgusting to me and they buried this guy who won the world series whether but they fire him and now they're going to ruin this guy's life yeah just just wait it's going to happen i fucking fucking guaranteed and they do it at midnight on patriots opening night so that no one really you know they try anhydride as much but also just shows you particularly in boston you know ten fifteen years ago if they fired the red sox fired their general manager of the after world series when the matter the patriots game would have been w gives a shit the run over by the patriots don't even care about the who gives a fuck they're assholes kennedy's asshole linda's an asshole john henry's an asshole buchan go away but just just wait just just wait and see what they do see what watch how this evil buck in the organization works from the top to the bottom just wait maybe not today maybe not next month but just just wait there was something there we'll be something good we're gonna say is gonna say they did they do whatever they do with terry francona who is essentially a pretty nice guy count and there was no need to like everyone agreed that they should get rid of them correct so they'll do with anyone they don't give they're just kinda terrible people simply safe is i what's wrong with you they fucks wrong with you what is your issue the wrong with you you're annoying me what's going on why you have energy users coming in he's nervous about his job was your issue there's no issue at all you're just as other okay so i knew that that was the first one that you're supposed to be simply safe i don't wanna i don't want to anger our overlords at barstool grow we'll get that later on did you listen to the d. c. recap yes it was good yes good job good job yeah she listen to it or no no i didn't get that one why wouldn't you better fucking fucking show i listened to the full show okay was it a full one minutes redoing yesterday it was a recap a funny thing where it's called the steve robinson segment crashing of thing where you did you destroy a segment of the there's a moment the <hes> audiobook which is pretty tall laughing would you like yeah you can just read the whole book if people read the whole book we're like what the fuck are you talk to be fair there's also steve creates a segment like with the two days out of fucking hot dogs and the whole thing did you see this guy twitter who's claiming that you're not you did not finish the second places hot dog contest yeah he says in the two thousand sixteen one obviously i never said i was in two thousand sixteen which year was it i was like two thousand thirteen thousand thirty nine wonderful what year was it we need oh did you for the second the hot dog contest lost chance because this guy digging i finished second if we have to all get harlan akerson to come on here about for for me the guy the guy messaged me and started it with something to the effect of like i've been sitting on this for a bit as a bombshell of true when you say i would say so this changes everything simplisafe changes everything on average a burglary happens every twenty three seconds the united states that's from the FBI to burglaries reported a year in US census insist eighty three percent of the burglars admit they specifically look to see if there's an alarm twenty thousand households will burglarize in two thousand seventeen she's actually a lot and what's crazy most home security simply safe will take care of it for you they protect every window in room at twenty four seven professional monitoring simplisafe is my my top choice hands down on the wards all over the place prices are always fair and honest honestly could probably use simply safe in the studio today about forty five minutes when you don't make somebody uh-huh getting shot and he's like friendly fire thing if we once we let them in can simply safe still help us that's a good i mean i've never willingly once you opening our doors for this for simply choice as if they're willing to do this we'll have one of these guys shoot mike on the head or anything and then we'll we'll see how quickly simplisafe gets done a men's that seem reasonable i think is more than reasonable reasonable good where would you mind shooting the high does that even matter at that point that would assume i think we should go for lower lower extremities good point it wouldn't affect your vision though no i guess you wish you would affect my vision i can still see which you see worse out of my right eye well she'll write either hidden all right <hes> all right so simplisafe dot com we'll do that simplisafe dot com slash kirk i get free shipping shipping any money back guarantee today for the listeners for the fans simplisafe dot com slash kirk <hes> free shipping any money back guarantee that simplisafe dot com slash kirk today simplisafe save dot com slash k. i r. k. so there you go all right thanks for the people that simply safe we love them what do we so what what times uh-huh it here so we got some time before these lunatics come in twenty five minutes assuming closer her doesn't wanna call your family's yeah well i just wanna it's been fun thanks for having me in i want great my got killed hired what what are we am i doing care every yeah you we'll be doing a carefree but nari now you're going to a little bit i have care of yes so explain i have two things i want to get to here before these guys get here but can you explain explain what is going on and why these two men are coming into they can anybody in the world first of all the return of colony on its own is is a big is big news yes because he refused last time he did but now he's back you know nobody's bitch and he's nobody's pain and nobody's deck yeah he's got he's gonna reputation to protect i think think of pain in my read of the situation is that cullen came in here negotiated for the instagram and for some vague sales role clearly wanted to be a part of the world kelleher are also wants to be a part of the world reaches out to colonnade tries to work through culinary into get in here right and then when coney has his breakdown and refuses to come in right after his kid it is born kelleher seizes opportunity and he makes a move is there so i've seen a lot of back and forth though and then kelleher went after boy this gets complicated did i mean this gets so insanely complicated in i mean i can't imagine anybody understands it no but kelleher is mad i can't these sentences to me kelleher gets it's mad DC about something and i like what what is going on i get weird because <hes> stephen ford me an email and i'll read it and i'll think oh there's there's something wrong with me because i'm not so i'll text what does email and steve's like i don't know i just figured everyone should have it just forever kelleher the craziest person we've come across so far no no okay steve my know better than me but i would no i don't i don't think so there's one i have in mind that i would say crazier well i mean who's in our world i'm saying oh in our word colonel yeah maybe steve you seem to me that you think he's crazy now i send those emails and you said oh that's those are me want you sent me one that's a good email it was really interesting but it seems like he's lost his mind no no it seems like he's very very interested in kirkman and i don't like i don't like the red red hair and the weird look i'm concerned mary implicated kirkman i'll admit i'll admit i'm concerned would you say mike i said what can you do about the point but but that he looks he looks crazy allergic yeah i believe that may be used the word unhinged yes it is sent some weird video so are they gonna fight today or is this because it seems like it seems like he hates colony it'd be good video the language he uses his like actually fight that'd be good that'd be great he says things like <hes> you know i i if i'm going to defend myself properly against the accusations dave cohen is like he speaks very passionately about this right so also compared it to the cold war yes yes well i mean yeah so i guess we'll find out i i saw somebody messages one of these worlds i don't know what's the one where the what's the one that i know nothing about discord rent some of the other message the other day <hes> i have all my notifications off if it's by the way this guy's name is v. l. s. k. m. s. and it's the picture of mike with the tin foil you know that one okay yes if you've seen this or no i have all my notifications off because as i like to shut the app and walk away and pretend i'm not in the message board app run by a parody account of the host of a parody real estate podcast produced in reality by the four producer of a podcast podcast who runs that podcast instagram for free while interacting with the host of the podcast about the original podcasts which is about that podcast bad radio and brandy love that's pretty very much says it all i think it's very well ticket and who is this sang the hell no fucking discord between going on so kelleher kelleher kills culinary does he get that's how it works yeah so classics be any fourteenth century we pay our people fourteenth century salaries fourteenth century battles bizarre we'll colonnade step up because you know when in big moments he gets very you're right you're right yeah i think of it that way or is he gonna get in keller's face i don't know because i don't know what kelleher is capable of i think that's what we're all wondering is their kids kill her gets the whole we give all the keys to the castle thing coney walks out empty broken nothing loser leaves is that possible i think it's very is calling a life loser i don't know does he join the selective me i mean i could i think you lose his today that's a big that's a bad side avenue you you you you you gotta it's like prison you gotta fuck and take this guy out right now like there's no if you give kelleher life today and he has some good moments and people because right now the world is all right now right but if keller has his moments today he's wackier of course could be propeller can happen just like that z. kelleher kelleher apparently offered to bring dave food while he was in the delivery room very classy my seems like a nice guy no what's that yeah so why does colin hay keller her i don't think he hates him okay why is he wanted envy's he wants to be what is the killer d. c. made some comment i guess color reached out to d. easy to help run the fan instagram thing about our shows it's it's like if you just always safe putting on right now oh it's real easy to figure righted when the guy who everyone everyone is like life is about me i don't understand any of it yeah i can't imagine you know again the seventy one year old and his seventy four year old buddy you're going for breakfast every free go every monday morning getting a car oh yeah here's this boston station this guy's on boston boy luck going on the sports there maybe maybe he's gonna talk about some of the easiest way to understand the national store radio we need sorry one second we need one of the fan people to essentially on twitter put together other chart to explain everything family tree the whole thing don't you think yes for me i don't care about anybody else because i don't understand we'll make it easy yeah sees the world trump is going to be if they're part of this world chris so much shorter health but go ahead steve i think the best way to understand it is that there's a hardcore group group of fans of kirkman han who all want to be close to kirkman a hand and they do unusual things in order to get close to kirkman a hand well we know that steve but i'm just i'm just giving the the bird's eye view of the situation really put it all together we thank you steve it's nice to have you here today he does seem a little doc what's going on i think i know what it is oh is rattled well we'll get we'll get there to blow esa ninety seven whatever eighty-six fucking tweets pictures those fucking red hot dogs this weekend hungry enough i get it like a red snapper nats you drive up there this weekend nelson do grab a couple of red snappers why didn't you oh i see where this is going what what do you mean just in your question and we're going i was at a red sox game this weekend you're i don't know the fucking talking about dropped dropped i dropped a foul ball in my immediate thought was did he goes to fuck yeah that's right this who fuckers are going to come up with some video of it with red snapper yeah i'll really rent the steve how did you not catch that red snappers how did you you're saying this weekend you're amazing to me how do you go from how do you go from that to oh i know i know you <music> you've done it now why didn't you drive up this weekend she make you fucking horny for those red hot dogs dogs on friday i don't know why did you get your car drive the hour and a half to get to where you can get muscle hori for me i'm gonna drive all the way through boston traffic you can go saturday morning as opposed wasn't gonna fucking red sox game who'd you go with my mother oh ballgame i i can't it and i'm trying to think i can't do a joke to mike why did you bring your mom she brought me actually was your birthday now she's one of the take you the red sox game yeah caboodle except as a huge fan so three of you went to why did you say your mom took them because she's about the tickets okay do you guys have fun the america's greatest ballpark yeah we won it was great love it all american pastime i like the idea that i would somehow obtained footage already DC's segment for the week i'll say like the idea that i would obtain footage of steve dropping off elbaum they like one eighty so what happened there was an actual foul ball yes and you just just dropped us or maybe it was it was one of the players like tossing it out into the audience and it came right from you just like maybe three or four feet to the left i went for the crowd a lot of things wrong with that wait a minute you can call it with stories so you'll remember it was a foul ball orphan players throwing the ball situation it was the player just tossing the ball the sporting event in your life i watched the age you understood when we kinda missed when we were doing the golf tournament yeah <hes> steve put up a tweet that said something illegal wasn't big enough to ever bring up but he said like <hes> how many PGA tours like that and it was just like slightly slightly miss worded but i could tell he wasn't all familiar with golf i don't think it'd be sports i didn't miss that i trust me i didn't it so i don't understand that was the foul ball or not it was throwing the ball you just have foul ball we'll know because usually when it all comes out to where we were saying foul balls but might have major moves she stole it from a five year old sitting behind psychopath i mean how jeff at the game to to how do they compare the narrates napperstat et imagine the amount of time they were never there oh god anyway should we all right let's see this other stuff before we get to <hes> so basically we have no clarification these guys are coming in because they're insane we'll say it's fine by me works for me so what hap- why no it happened but what is going on with us in this k- marco guy steve's got an enemy he does have an enemy he hates you yeah i think he doesn't like me because of the albright stopped weird yes yes it is weird i mean it's yeah i mean he seemed like he didn't he had no issue with you at the albright stuff until a porno did right yeah and the other thing is <hes> first of all the guy all right has apologized and we were right steve vindicated every claim we made about the guy shithead portnoy was gonna told me he was gonna be bigger than because he's a fucking dummy should stop fucking suck in the fucking boogie boogie sheboygan's fucking face focus on running a company for chrissakes jesus sitting on a couch with fat willie cologne giggling jock sniffing jesus christ based on the company's going to the ground jesus doing all right you'd be surprised so we saw the dice clay which did really well by the way could just you know seem the people seem to like i wonder we've been better off trimming trimming the beginning of the dice cleaner maybe yeah i thought about that yeah yeah that's me did you think about that lawmakers i thought about going into it like i didn't know if that would muddy muddy the waters a show yeah so <hes> so you reach o gaz that right now mike reach route two gas we talked about it but my guess at five will promote it no problem yeah he's just send us the clips you'll get it okay so we do that whenever and it's it doesn't happen for awhile pretty early in the morning we sent everything okay so you do a recap or a blog post for the show with dice clay and the headline is do we have the actual i don't know if i took a picture of it but it would basically summarized some of the more controversial things andrew dice clay like andrew dice clay calls jerry seinfeld horsey defends defends might <hes> defense michael jackson defense days shits on bill cosby headliners michael jackson wasn't in the headline it was defense dave chapelle and shits on bill cosby colin kirkman dan show and the blog post itself was maybe two hundred and fifty words and it said i just basically summarized what andrew dice clay this famous comedian said one of the things was it was michael jackson andrew dice clay says jerry seinfeld's a pussy michael jackson is innocent and bill cosby deserves to be in jail the fuck did you just say what did you steve robinson just say you think michael jackson's so so that gets so steve text me friday early afternoon yeah yeah it was around like one or two PM i'm sitting here like an asshole trying to figure out when the blog post is going to go up so i send it to dyson people maybe he tweeted out his higher thousand people or instagrams about two hundred thousand people so that happens and so it sounds like then you text me and say that kay marco says that he spiked the post and you said why he said i i shouldn't have to tell you right yes yes well i steve sat around with me and steve texting hypothesizing because we couldn't steve couldn't get a hold of steve knowing he was looking for his number he had no idea work yeah yeah so so i so so i don't know anything so he takes him like there has to be another reason because steve's just missing something but the post was not the we think michael jackson's innocent and by way also who gives a fire by michael jackson's innocent right like why don't you understand where where's the controversy in that you stop saying kazan triggers me like i think there's the chance michael jackson did molest those kids i happen to think he did but i can understand the other side like i think it's a real reasonable argument you son of a bench i understand so <hes> and so i so it's it's whatever so he you know you you talk a little bit and then i call them are texan i get his number from KFC or somebody and <hes> and so i call him and he's like kind of a dick to me like i like cold and well i don't know him at all i've never spoken to anything but i've just from seeing on the run down or whatever he's very dry d there's not a lot of <hes> and they just seem a dick and which is fine and that was actually trying to be polite the first time yeah just like help me out here we want to get this thing up so he can promote it what don't you like about this and he said steve should know better we've talked about this a lot never not true okay okay never had a fucking i o care i have no use for money he's a fucking cut i mean i really do and i called him at the second just really told the country the second time yeah <hes> <hes> <hes> so i just said you know whatever you need us to do like we're here we want some understanding i don't know i've never done this i have no fucking idea india and he's like what we can't do things that give <hes> the enemy essentially ammunition the dead spins of the world i guess whoever where he said you know if you write michael oh jackson's innocent i said well we're saying it wasn't even the headline a and we're not saying that a comedian saying that who was on the show an indirect quote right and he sang it doesn't matter so you know that you know the way they can take things and i'm thinking this summer thinking worried about what the first of all the fuck is deadspin gonna write it injured as klay on my podcast is that michael jackson gives a shit but also doesn't barstool kind of thrive on that like if deadspin roles i don't think they do anymore with you if deadspin rights barstool says michael jackson is think totally taken out of context i don't think that's the way they operate any more real to be honest with you i mean i just avenue i seems like it but i just thought that's kinda how same idiot by the way that like francis put posts thing right i mean it was i don't know why he has a job should be fired for if if you're going to be you know if that's his job and it happened on his watch if you take it seriously and seems like this idiot should be gone too but anyway so i'm so he said to me we want these headlines to be as vanilla as possible why said well i just told you i in their minds because they you don't wanna get in any trouble barstools sports doesn't wanna get any trouble that should be that should be like new bumper sticker shirt or something barstool sports get in trouble and yet under stays in the idea to get clicks looks like isn't that the idea that title i mean you know i don't know i mean look up his post in the past i don't know if he's ever tweeted or posted anybody like erin andrews whoever whatever look it up see certified <hes> so anyway so i sell i tell steve i give you the direction right i see you say make a vanilla vanilla as possible so as headline was andrew dice klay goes on kirkman ancho right kirkman hand interviews andrew whatever fine so then he goes back at stevens says why are you being so then i said steve you know what i'll all handle this now i call them and again i was played at first but then it got bad i call them kante said he was being a fucking asshole we're trying we're trying to do our fucking jobs here and you're being fucking fucking dick basically like what what you want to do and he said the only element takeout michael jackson thing and i said okay i don't really give a shit fine why don't you just tell also originally so you don't care they'll be called jerry seinfeld the pussy okay fine i don't even care about the legal jackson thing like on its own it to me is is symbolic of a bigger issue maybe eighty but i don't give it doesn't really matter that part visiting is edited out of the podcast and it was just saying like we don't care what you say in the podcast i'm thanked linked him well we can't promote what we say look what does it matter with android what is it what does it matter what does it matter if i don't think michael jackson by the way i think think just be clear i mean michael jackson kids okay but let me just say what if i don't think he molested kids hosts a podcast and i said michael jackson here's here here we're here and here's why it steve camp post as a fucking like what that's what i was gonna ask when that documentary came out so it's topical the next day if someone watched that documentary and in a funny away can articulate why they think michael jackson is innocent why wouldn't want to post in a serious way like yeah whatever you just think that yeah so i now i mean i just think i think this guy's dick whatever i mean he's a bar so he's been there forever they love him these new york there's also that to like new york that crowd there's a crowd there click there's the hates me he could be in a for all i know he said steve's done a great job most of the time but i'm sitting there thinking why am i arguing with his dummy like this fucking idiot whatever the thing that pisses me off is when i asked asked him did did our posts get spiked he said yes i said why can you give me something to go on and he was like do i really need to tell you know you need to tell me that k- marco's new rule is that you can't quote quote someone who by the way when we ask them to come on today and he said no like a little fucking bitch he said no because he couldn't handle any of those would kick the shit out of them if you just can't handle it so fuck him and we'll do our worth things and he'll be an asshole above that whatever it doesn't doesn't we can't worry about him he hates us already we ate him fuck him on friday at moved from a lack of promotion to actually smothering a. b. c. they don't want to promote us they don't there are people there that don't want to promote us so that's fine we don't but my thing is i haven't asked for it i've said we don't care about it so you can't sit there and be upset when they give it to us that's fine that's the deal you know did he give a reason he wouldn't come on as i think yes push to betters and oh yeah i mean i just think he's a christ he's a little pussy that's all that's something he should be forced to come up like he should have to explain it it's not going to happen thing they're too busy fucking and i don't even mean like fuck you used to have to come i just mean like to explain your so that's good content now their argument college football season i mean come on let's go get drinks to sell in college college football the pump up rather watch games like couch who can beat that whatever we do our thing and that's fine i'm just i don't even under i didn't understand it and i was again i wasn't mad at first and i was like this surprisingly calm on friday because i didn't really understand it <hes> it was like there must be something missing other this fucking motherfucker like is as you know like hurting our show is hurting our show right like this is a good interview barstool people would like it and he's purposely not doing it because he's a fucking asshole yeah i mean that could have been newsworthy could've gone attention to the show maybe not but the who knows you know maybe he should have been paying more attention fucking francis posted that fucking thing about that girl you know to the sitting around fucking jerking off talking fucking whatever with his buddies in the office you know maybe the better job that wouldn't happen so i wonder it say hypothetically tomorrow donald trump trump says michael jackson is innocent nope can't cam which could definitely worth watching the documentary could easily happen what if donald trump came on this podcast and and said michael jackson is innocent can can i do an indirect quotes that right this you won't believe it will happen if this deadspin might take it might take that and run a story on it now some may say that when they do that it's actually good for bars to point out how fucking pathetic deadspin is you could shit on them but we we don't do that anymore here it helps it sorry barstool that's not how it works does that mean that deadspin is the editor in chief of barstool yes and k. mark was a proxy for them yes us yeah the other thing i think this might be steve's bigger issue is that it's so he's better by won't do anything about this because he hasn't given fuck about us but like if if i'm him i'd be like why are you doing what the fuck is wrong with you worry about other stuff and you look at some of these headlines on barstool and they're pretty still incendiary which is great i- i- awesome but i don't know why this individually i mean how other than the fact that he hates you in hates the show which is okay but it'd be fine i mean i don't even really care hair but like don't even know what he does and he's meaningless but it's just a weird it's a weird instinct have i i dunno such dick on the phone like not cooperative with all not professional of all that was like fuck you you're fucking nothing yet seems like a personal thing again is he's a fucking douche he's a fucking do it was very like high school early yeah a very clear way he handled very immature dealing with that so i i i like the people i deal with they help us with the show they give the let's do we want to deal with these fucking amateurs you know again look up his history because i'm the shit he's posted its snuck great so which i would also defense offense so would i care it doesn't matter but then they'll be the guy wagons finger zarbano my old doctor who sent a cake during the when he he produce the midday show they were playing the blackhawks in the stanley cup finals lebron's whatever he sent some cake to radio stations your kogyo the midday show did that was like a penis cake aac in those like vaginas on there and shit like that and it was but i mean it was like somewhat the heroine writing writing about it and they were gonna get in trouble the midday guys and then later on when when he's a program like you can't do stuff they'll give us any trouble i hate when people become that marco guy maybe a nice whatever but upi used to file a fucking douche what a dick yeah and will not not to speak stephen i think his problem was also that like he says you can't say the words <unk> says michael jackson is innocent so my point or steve's point i guess was why dumping the trash if you're the editor why not just change it to defend michael watson he said to do was take out and i said so well first of all i disagree with taking anything out but if you take a problem with it so he said the music i did that you happy now basically that's a car that was trying overly to be nice and cooperative even like after five but you just didn't he doesn't you know so whatever he's like that's why you're shows that's why by people like your show so much as you get to say what you want you like getting in trouble i'm like well saying to me almost like accusatory but that's really wasn't trying to get in trouble this was just explaining what what a famous guy said on the podcast if i said again i don't think if i said michael jackson is innocent i we can any trouble i defended louis CK on here we know we're we're no but i'm saying what i'm saying there's no you know pitchforks unfortunately serve open mic for that show isn't mike to send the meet someone even suggested the title that i like to no apologies necessary l. like what what are you promoting you doc promote i am i missing anything in this story no and that's why i'm asking steve like so we went back and forth you're leaving anything out right no oh i actually when i got that response from k. marco i went back to read the blog posts because it i was like if it's really self evident why they shouldn't be posted like accidentally put a picture of like tits on it or something what what what is going on even know what yeah i don't even understand it and he's like also i don't think that would be a problem also drew is just like the you know better than nat unless like what i guess i don't what would put this way like if andrew dice clay didn't interview with us over my old station the regular terrestrial restroom radio came in he was doing a show in medford right came in friday morning and said he thought michael jackson was innocent i sorta got they wouldn't but like you could put that on the blog post your dot com and it would be on there there's nobody that would actually happen you have to you have to ignore the rules of english language to try and take it out of context and make it look like kirkman hanner steve robinson is defending michael jackson sentences were even then it wouldn't matter though what where's the fucking like what does it so i think so if i thought what wade robson is that when i saw that cuba's lying i would say it what would then happen you <hes> deadspin it's been would read an article about them what would happen the dead you know nothing people say okay dead it's been hates and then i do something at ted spin and that would be there would be no was like the fucking in albright thing i was telling porn on the phone nothing is going to happen from this i'm telling you nothing well you just said kay marco is said to you like you know i yeah no i understand that that's what people like about your show you like getting into trouble and countries where am i would barstool that to understand these editor there are so by some definition there has to be some editing and look he's the guy who has to make sure things are whatever i get that he didn't edit the story through he he added the headline they didn't edit anything he had be rewrite it he he he ended the he took the michael jackson part oh we didn't i didn't he deleted that sentence and clicked publish but he had you do instead he's instead he deleted the story didn't tell me about it and so i'm sitting around like an asshole waiting for it to post before i discover it's in the trash finding jump into it what would have happened it would move back and forth emailing with him to understand that you can't indirect quote a public figure who says that he knows that but the intellectually knows that but that's not what he's saying look he knows that she knows it we're not saying he knows it is clay saying oh of course i mean it's not like he thinks we're we're saying the whatever i think it was a fuck you to steve robinson so i don't think it's alright fuck you for whatever reason he found that to be the opportunity to be like fuck you steve frightened by the way i defend him all day for i think francis francis published it on his own yes i defend that story i defend france's right to do i don't agree with the story i guess or whatever i i think he should've been suspended not fired but i would agree with if k mark levin do it like i don't you know i know and then you have the argument after so the other thing that i've heard is that since francis this it has been she's been a complaint of people like our boy large from the breakfast show appel yeah has said that he's noticed blogs getting edited and certain she's getting taken out a lot more friends with francis thing <hes> rico bosco i don't know if this lines up with the francis thing if it was before or after his death rico bosco i'm not familiar with him and he's been around okay <hes> <hes> but he had like publishing powers taken away from without any announcement no-one said anything to him and he went off on k. marco about a similar type of thing so it's been it's been kind of issue for a couple of people i guess okay there you go me and rico bosco enlarge my crew my guys are galvanizing moment with the morning it's called them coma although they're probably friends that's probably part of it to rise i hope fucking thing and i think they all hate steve and they hate me you know sure at least willie cologne or the whole thing just put again you're spiking spiking stories over that schilling where are we with the fortieth fucking sweet valley high like what the fuck i mean really riverdale it's weird like i mean i i don't even get it i don't the understand i don't know so that that annoyed me and that leads to like bigger and bigger issues like this is gonna be stuff going forward like today is k. mart was personal garage going to hurt the kirk is going to be so in less <hes> you know kelleher shoots me in in ten minutes then maybe the most title worthy thing think of this or headline worthy thing is kirk k. mart or something like that really post that who knows and thinks kmart goes account yeah i gotta work kirkman handsome nike taxes and is innocent and k markle's i do think michael jackson's innocent absolutely pursue pouting about its steam jesus i mean he's probably younger than you are i know i think he's right around that telling you fuck you so fucking conduct what a dick fuck off why why is he what does he do does he adds to the company he edits great anybody can do that fucking fire him i would say jesus they love him he's been around fervor he's a <hes> he's a long time well wonderful fantastic a lot of good these done for the company money for the company came marco jesus christ all right so these guys here konate knocking on the door out there get minute with keller is late i don't know he doesn't have my phone number so he in the two of them might be sitting on your car next to mind in the back there today is it no okay who's used cars i i read thirteen where i i park my car straight always get here after i go to the wall is a car next to me there's the filthiest inside car ever seen in my fucking life it's disgusting i don't understand it interesting but you'll see my dirty car guy now is he might even in runs a tight ship okay good the concern me so <hes> i do care i care of these boys then i i'm just imagining the two of them standing out there in icy swallow a little bit showing please don't want to talk to anybody flicked it well it's not like i don't want to meet anybody kirke closer here ah i mean he understands like he's he understands he's been brought in here to dance right i don't think i think he thinks he's in on the joke i know which is one of the game which is more concerned well i'm worried what happens if he thinks otherwise at some point in the next hour what do you mean oh the worm turns so you're concerned yeah i am concerned thank you bring your pepper spray like you said or no we're fine you pepper spray no i get what steve is armed to the teeth so that audience you'll that last night for the game yeah the audience audience's unbelievable it was like what does he the outfits they were very cute i like al michaels tells us on the i i i would love to have al michaels on the podcast by the way it was a great stern guest you know between i'm getting a little worried about the NBC crew oh really i'll get a little worried now why do you say it just it at some point you're getting too old you think a little bit michael store i agree at these the best ever but i don't want you know and when he leaves thereto which were that's what i'm saying yeah and then we're stuck with anka ladies <hes> pocket when you drive it here mike it's the michael promoting i noticed you fold me here that's weird right now in my right hand i have my i have today's care of which i take every morning and they give you a question on there as well here's a thought for you when you pop these in your mouth we'd rather be famous for winning the nobel prize for heroically saving someone's life saving someone's life wouldn't argue won the nobel prize you've done that in some form or fashion the nobel prize money to is like one hundred grand it's quite a bit of money well it'll be pills i have to take every day now at this unbelievable i get some some fish oil so magnesium vitamin c some calcium plus so you go you go to care of right which i love we've been the sponsor for awhile <hes> <hes> summers done now so it's false now it's time to get you know listen fella shape drinking a lot even like mike lose weight again make health awhile side priority once again care of to ease the upgrade your health routine i took the 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low boys so my understanding is my understanding is that is you guys are just steve said yeah just fighting out first of all dave congratulations thank you do we have a name for the boy turned up just a tiny we have we'll get the second would suits catch up with colin who was a complete bitch like a week i still have you apologize for that i don't think to you directly a text chain even for us unbelievable yeah i mean i was telling me we could talk about when we get into rich it was just this weird energy not energy around the show like i'm a part the show but i'm not part of the show that's exactly right no i know there's no i hear you understand that it's it's just a personal thing this is subjective argument it's a weird thing for me to be were so happy i'm just listening to actually make subjective what dave it's just it's i'm working hard for the show behind the scenes how's that going well honestly which is fine but then here you guys ever worked <music> i'm actually it was a good learning lesson for me last week but why don't you have to learn you if you're a fan you listen to your part of that he was just going into that stuff too he's he's right closing you called me a liar i thought your tone was a little bit different than just your traditional ball bust i don't think we need to play the stuff that we cut out then from the watch what you're saying that i'm not calling people for sale christ it really i think i know but it just it rubbed rubbed me the wrong way here but so i fired off a few tweets we own it and i agree but don i understand stand text when you're saying that we were rough on you than anybody ever that was crazy addict but also my point was it wasn't necessarily that i would come in here and defend myself against what you guys say on the show and be in the room and said i'm not literally in the room with you guys all the time i'm not a colleague with you guys that camaraderie correct trek so it's weird to then take it to that level what level the level i am i that's just my opinion that level of ball busting when i'm so far behind the scenes yeah like no we would never make i know but it's just it was weird for me which is not calling advertisers and he's not i know he he does some of the twitter but he's not yet we would see you're saying we wouldn't make fun of someone like stephen moore someone like that we wouldn't make fun okay marco cologne or it's just a little different basically everyone who first of all i said i was wrong so you can do it i learned a lesson in it but how is okay okay okay what's his son's name chase chase chase colony chase like an order you can bring that to the bank as a everything's good everything's good good excellent well that's great okay so so all right so what is what is first of all i don't which does rich kelleher <unk> her right yes rich closer closer okay what can i start first of all that i tried to shake your hand and he looked like what are you doing right and that was a mistake okay that was a mistake of energy he's a baller i look why don't you just relax okay i'm i'm on on your side <hes> this guy so first of all you two were arguing out is the argument you're screaming screaming dramatically yes we're you're arguing data call me dramatic let's not come on 'cause you're changing tension is used correct this is the end i'm comfortable here this is the energy so what is so what is going on explain to me so dave you run the kirkman hand instagram graham accounts still yes did you ever lose control of that never never never you ever heard of a razor the simplest solution probably is so back in your e e days as you would've looked at curtis and said did you did you read it right right but i know steve smart guy and all that i'm alex on the hold on the ivy league history were you going what to red snapper universe you read on air that i have control of the fan account minna fan account and the other thing that was just unfunny believable which kirk again your team kellogg i AM team and ahead on starting to waver on hold on hold on it's you guys not upset about we talked about albright right what's in that first of all what's in that bag that's what makes me nervous because see from providence thinks i'm going to come in here and okay it was not fun to joke backtracking on a whiff of humor intact backdoor can we backtrack for one second i'm backtrack to my car so no sudden movement so rich reaches out to be on read it okay that that's one pitch anything for culinary okay they we always get sales books for going back on algebra machiavelli the prince okay okay so <hes> he reaches out to me like the senior voice of reason this hour i'm just kind enough enough enough digging around let's slits let me let me just let's say is going let's let's do you have there there's a lot of what's that mance stickers oh great look at that see you told me not to do that because it might not be a good idea i told you not to make the <hes> say sundays are for open houses because it didn't have a kirkman ancho logo on kirkwood one son relationship that's that's what dad does a banner bene- christmas that year the bender house create go ahead so he reaches out out on reddit says he can help me with ideas on instagram right i being the dumb idiot that i am do you want me to do you want me to rich hold on okay shots here so why did you not reach out to me but don't let me put into dc don't lie about it let me me fucking talk i told dc should be wary of you out of your body that is the last voice it's all right here john kate harry chase so he reaches out read it says he wants to help with instagram says he can be of help hold on real quick rich you should have lunch after no i can't spend the discount okay so he reaches out you say that again so i can hear it clearly just in case go ahead please let me handle it reaches out respond to and say sure i'd love some ideas he said he was in digital marketing right are you still in digital marketing correct okay so he's in digital marketing so my thought primarily i was looking more for the institutional the ideas kind of like a good word good things so i was looking more of the these are the best times the post this is what oh you do to grow the followers by x. he became very quickly a content guy which was fine you integrate content ideas and i used a good amount of member that walkout thing oh yeah yeah yeah thank kirk tweet i forget which is idea i thought it was good nothing it doesn't really move the needle that much four thousand fucking followers on right that's your fault but yeah go ahead well there's a little bit of you in that little promotion so that's where our relationship started and we texted what you didn't understand understand and kirk said it on air was by not promoting it yes and not talking about it correct he is promoting it and talking about it when ten followers ozone i can get some of that like when nothing comes of it you eventually have to figure out which how can the show one of our biggest contention points was just keep posting so you took my my my idea of the j. k. p. s. key posts but on t. shirt tattoo you took my idea of let's have this combative nature and amplified it by a million percent which i just wanted to re tweet out of them to see okay maybe that can we talk show i hold on buddy i would just talk show i don't i just you and talk shit all the time you tweet stuff dave you trust me you tweet stuff okay captain awkward over here what's calm down it's just this guy walking stop talking you were the one with all these aggressive ideas about you shut up what i what i said to you what what what i said led to you was if what is this fight about do you know michael i about one thousand people on instagram that's what it is apparent i i mean rich homie piece of paper there when the when dc that rat fuck who i don't like it and none of us do not when when when when he went on the show show which who dc dc hold on hold on when he went on rich rich rich rich rich rich rich when he would show is this the minivan she didn't know what show is this <music> this is the kirkman case of shut up per second how many pieces of paper do you have what what what are the papers what what are we doing on fascinated by this i can't i can't help sort so much more fascinating than anything with tony brown i can't i can't help there's probably why you know did you hear ken laird state earlier anyway so i i have i have i up screen shots here because i thought this whole okay may see them please can you hand over to dave by the way is leaned over towards me like like very very very awkward and take a look at these pages what we texted thousand times a day it's so the joyner stand hold on mike mike era do you understand any of this is okay so my understanding what i believe believe is happening is that dave ran instagram and was making sales kelleher was not making sales silly make <music> advertising agencies that was a smart idea good sales instinct there buddy so kelleher is infringing on that territory i think no i don't have any retract track so don show your best friends with DC he really likes him he's told me that friends with some of these pages make no sense by the way out of context but i printed grain of tweets from filo birds and stuff that's not true could be or tweet from erica yeah i i took erica's one thing about the bitch it's kashmir and i said that that's the kind of attitude i wanted to bring here okay go ahead so chuck the show we may one moment if the people in this room have no audience is it possible that anyone is understanding <music> i e mails you this morning or saturday morning the breakdown of what i would like to here on the fan shells because that rat fluffy lied and had a source i wonder who source would be and that's when i realized that this day that's when i realized that this isn't he's clearly really not joking so i was like there's only way for me to prove this is to tweet or so print-out to prove what that he was lying what he said he was lying that i'm super aggressive i'm you seem super aggressive you see more i mean i am i am read that comes okay aggressive also so he wasn't lying about that no he was lying about that i i there's something i said to be weary of the aggressiveness in the content was say we're gonna in order is that what i said on first of all when i had my breakdown right when we had our text exchange yes i was just in a bad spot in terms of which is dramatic i get get it it's stupid that i took it that seriously and this kid the entire time is being like don't let the instagram account fall because you're having a mental breakdown about that'll keep yeah you guys are all saying why the fuck are you doing it to begin with because you're in find hold on 'cause i'm in the hospital having a child why are you doing it he's he's saying i told him to shut the fuck up because i was just like shut the fuck up if i don't wanna post i'm not gonna fucking christ and tole painting on that's what happened and i also said respect i said shut the fuck up next respectfully after that i think is when i texted steve and i said steve don't worry i'm done with instagram the dude i'm working with rich good a good guy but aggressive steve his conan ever you've ever understood anything he's ever said about food i love break it down that was wrong with so i just don't i don't i don't understand i don't understand the whole stories from this little pockets of the whole thing is confusing okay here's michael why do you hate each other have you ever met is the for yelling about so so so hold on hold on so we're here see you thirteen <hes> read their CEO's dot dot com thirteen cis dot com make sure to go under armor tom brady under armor zoning so you walk in there steve can you see the door from there or no so yeah the ring the doorbell the way offsets this screaming each other outside what was that fight about that was basically what we're doing right now got pretty much somebody said something about the p. one or something yeah he's going into one of them i asked him if he ever listened or paid attention to canc- show because in my opinion which again colony gene on air in the character verse off air to same thing he would text me and be like i can't fucking believe these guys said that didn't did you listen today what did they say yes and i'll be like i'll one day i would hope to you considered your friend i would be pissed at this part and it was about when the whose kid and it was just like oh that's stuff just didn't bother me if if i was in a delivery room well the guy was deliver content soprano bronco here's my problem with that that fuck DC which seems like we've got a real theme i have i have never i've never i've living cares all i wanted to help which i said i understand over again so you had no selfish motives at all part of the show part of the world does during after colonies meltdown when i sent you that email because those is jesus christ the is a killer i did i did i say mine three or the show did did i say i wanted to now deal steve he's a microphone good instinct he's not all right carpet didn't know that at the time well he's staking his head no i i don't want to be part of the show i said i don't wanna make any deals i do have some advertising experience i did working to radio by for massage envy that you did reach four during deflategate great i i do know jim hackett he's a great guy wonderful ornamental but my when i were overwhelmed by this wasn't i didn't want to be character didn't want to make money i accomplish that you are definitely not a character well done in DC tries to say that i'm i'm like you know there's something there's some that fuck DC right there's something off in there's there is something to us he was to give dave was about to give access to the instagram but he's he did i don't don't know why he's actually happening i like you there's something though oh absolutely so what are you mad at him for he said there's something off easy which he was kind of like i don't know it just came off is so so weird and it was weird you're off i like you but that's why like if you're a regular give him credit DC just didn't like the fact these are by the way we have two guys fighting that we can make one point and they both i don't have have that much of a problem between between screaming wrench parking all of my shit and steve's darkness i'm i think i'm the least crazy person in this room i've been fucking it's i'm trying to think that this this is the case and i did i did say when i got my video and thanks for tweeting that out for me that's exactly exactly what i wanted twenty thousand views and up ad that i do have i do have meant i do i do have mental illness where it's clearly obvious right yes <hes> you're sober yeah twenty one months congratulations i also said to that <hes> we should start drinking people by lima guzzled people say as people nowadays cold-blood mike last words you'll have people say used to use a drink because i'm your interview with charlie angle the running man yup that was about two months right before i hit rock bottom in november of seventeen out today in april of nineteen that we were to hell august september time stanstill that was the best that was the best interview and i listened to it every time i ran because not the david realized or not if you want and then you can ask chris courteous because in december seventeen i sent him fine i sent him a note saying i'm partly because of you to your party sober no no i'm i'm sober partly does better hardly sober doesn't work and okay so my my are there any other names no one will know that we can get out of the way mike your thoughts your so far i'm uncomfortable you are sort look like when i said just the way he kind of looks at me you see him just kidding around he's got a two-part combo with me i told him to shut the fuck up space respectfully and then he's got that apparently was the source for dc on the minivan show which all i did was tell him he's aggressive and to be wary what's the issue with that and well and then he's like well he almost gave him the instagram password dummy i was trying to get always looking at the camera now no i'm not mark i was i was trying to people who are trying to labor did i did i or did i not yes offer offer to either bring food or i thought that was very strange said no i'm not a dick rare kony's <music> thanks we're all set here and then i even said like just keeping think of instagram ideas from weird but i just wanted to ask me did i ever say you were a weird but you know i wanted to check the stitches on your wife's vagina after having described me on the show as aggressive i would say so i don't think that's put down i mean i am aggressive with that comes i will say rich you've never met him before right correct so you would go into into the delivery room like where his wife had a baby and bring like <unk> or something before i just i- subway or four she wasn't right after i washington does something right now i'm hearing bring you food i want to say one thing about this food that's fucking d. e. c. motherfucker is a fucking liar you fucking bring him down i i think one of the things you yeah i admit that might be weird but i don't know i wanted to help the guy i like i like i like the guy the shit on you for it i understand that but then it comes out that you know i'm i'm trying to warm my way in here and it was almost like you wanna give if you're using somebody else's his words and then making hold handy i said aggressive and that's bullshit that's just stay that's it's fucking bullshit man seriously i'm with mets fucking bullshit fuck you for that what are we talking about so i so i the interpretation i had is that kelleher was trying to take over the account that's what i thought too do you want the account no you don't want to help the account okay and the one thing that i did say was can i please please help posting you don't have to tell them i just want to help her do it and i would never have given the i don't even own that's that's still shows account i dunno shit which i understand i i think he should access to it during during that bother you dave or no it's not that it would bother me i would stop doing it i would not my hands both both i just don't want to be part of it like if p one to to the old show you know that it's not personal it's a show i i just don't want you take things so seriously as if it's oh my god they said that i'm going to rewrite not gonna smell no oh not gonna post now i'm not gonna potion the show i'm not gonna post anymore looking you're holding the instrument of right now dave right now you gotta stop being so fucking serious 'cause seriously fucking show european fucking show looks through your so go back to get access why which by the way these d. c. you gave this this whole like he almost almost gave him the access that fucking boomer idiot gave me access to his personal instagram account which i a hat what do you think of that personal shots he didn't do eat and connect it right so his personal instagram accounts in DC not only to me was just talking more sports fucking new year go home don't be just you just nobody tails you might have but so what do you know hold on kennedy a couple of times a year swallow your pride just go home and they believe they fired dave dombrowski russkies middle of the new york down credit great move gray organization now i've got somebody talking about somebody's what what is any any anybody crystallizes forming i can i think we misunderstood and the fight is even more irrelevant than we thought it was a fight about our instagram account DC i count my problem was that the minimum right from red bolts who has called the minivan show pope does it doesn't episode on friday night before we're supposed to have our little summit here was best would you think do you think that was deliberate i don't i don't sense so DEC said all fairness which might call me i was surprised friday eighty nine like well it's saturday morning two thirty in the morning is like can you fucking believe i woke up in a sweat i was like oh my gosh souls why would they on friday night of all nights it was obvious that was it was so obvious oh to paint me set the dialogue right right and what i did is DC is kinda like me in the sense of he reacts a little bit more passionately than he should in certain situations yeah we all like DC yeah i think he's gonna these some of us i think he's getting a little too much pudgier in this make fucking EC audrey tells me that the the text message that i posted that on i said to you about friday saying you're gonna hate me now yes and that was the line DC you haven't done anything relevant you had the the the first thing when kerr came on <hes> came on the show when he said he just talks about the show it's an after show so why you think critique his show fucking snug contracted dave dave what do you care if he makes a DC was fucking adults i don't want to defend him i don't think he's doing anything wrong in the situation let's keller's making love a sense you'll continue can you shut up so he does the in konan tie shut up bitch in the last couple of months is is DC guy <hes> sure let me let me get here's come i evidence finally is manifest i gave this to you because i had so much information but wait there's more printed full-page nice how how many parody kelleher a council it'd be at the end of oh in st from providence don't get me started he wants to live we won't get you started david so so deep he says the when i posted the text message of colony which didn't have any of his words by the way didn't have any even though the site i texted him listening to this or no i'm i'm hearing it right so do you have any idea what he's about to say you know what he's talking about when he talks about well i don't know how you got involved what are you texting texting colony and colony both one after this show as friday show okay when you you know the whole i flipped you over and use my the dice clay yes okay go ahead he he he he sent me an email practically saying thing that i'm i'm removing access from you practicing what did you say i need to say oh he said i need to take care of and protect kirk show and my show in my point was you haven't done anything relevant in three months so true so just just and i'm just shut up because it's not funny speaking you're speaking dave dave on the show said had this guy can still prove himself to be a part of his world which why would i want to do that okay that's your fuck didn't you help them with the show or something yes yes yes he helps scrimped it those are so what's the d- she does a great job with those what he said this is this is excellent can i can i attribute your your name on air what did i say to that not i i don't you don't need to do anything it's your broadcast all i wanna do with help this show and be part of it and work with you down the road yes and now he's trying to say that i'm trying to climb the ladder and then this weekend you just all you do is chirp the fact of DC said this i i didn't want credit but i got credit ballo by credit you won't be a part of the world read this you fucking idiot yourself locking the northern part of the world just say it i already am a part of the world i've done more for this show than you have i have people bending i'm bending my willow around them yeah oh absolutely you've done the way i haven't done anything i haven't sold anything there's four thousand here's here's the best part here's the best part you thought that this won't give have you i would give you this lead just after yes thank you go into something rich finally he closes yeah so there was i'm guessing massage envy then or no no no it's not okay well you mentioned earlier okay so whatever company acts will say yes you tell you really no no i don't i don't know any you talked about it but i didn't name the company into company do you really not know the company why is it interesting no i why why would i why would i want to know that if it's close fuck do i wanna know for just interesting that you don't do your job kirk trying to do is show here no i understand that i just thought he i would say after the air and so that's a good question which is to me i'm sorry kirk thank you there we go so they see i like this guy better than you call give you one one more stroke for oh trying to think what the time was what that was supposed to rush you stared into my eyes coward mike i don't know what's going so these guys have never met tape along the way so you want this can i give the sale do you mind just do you know that that particular he didn't like all right bill i love jokes jokes nor is it good week that's who it is by the way okay i spill i've spoken those people already right so fine okay so there's this company so great we liked him <hes> and it's rich all the legwork and dave one all the credit no that's not how okay okay that's actually so actually yes calling calling this a national treasure quality becoming that he can't lie like if you get he's like dershowitz the one guy like you that's what my that's what my dad says said he goes if if you lose to a guy who tried to lie to alan dershowitz yeah we'll edit that part of all right they've got so we just we obviously we texted look we've texted a lot about the show mike have you seen those pages pages and it looks like a lot all right okay so we salat a lot of ideas i think you'll see the power of rich keller this is interesting stuff i leave all my belongs alongside rich kelleher library so we question fucking let let him talk cricket okay you can stroke me later so we techs about mike for a second clues so he talks about a lot of things and he just starts like we texted about sales sales idea you only imagine he's got to be great can we just cut the fucking chase about it though can we show him kirk and you kind of just swept me off but i'm saying fuck you so we start we talk about sales he mentions he has an in 'cause he's a past client of the one he gotcha so he had been working them i believe in the pass what a what a what about the hold on what about the other one let's see other who my best friend my best friend works at a place she's he's one of the managers and i said i i did that yes that four grown whatever you weren't you weren't doing doing employer though i don't even point for us you you just said you talked to a client for me but why would you be just like wait for me wait wait why would you said the spider to power-pitch and someone somebody one client correct one that one the business and i said my best friend works there let me let me see if we can get an inside a couple of DC you were just trying to come back right okay okay so that's it yes so why when this other closer to colin and this other recordings i've never see mike looks comfortable why isn't an intimidation is other comes out it's not think you're not trying to help let me on that other client if you were trying to help me on the one you just mentioned because it's my client my situation my business relationship came to new clients when you told me that i said go to town practice right did i not oh what's what what bothered me what bothered me was the yes so i'm going going to by the way i i asked steve to explain it's nobody's capable of anything we'll get this fucking fucking clown what hold on i said other getting that i'm going in cozy netflix i'm going in that that one client so hopefully hopefully it'll go well okay and then i will reach out to steve with next details and then you said with me and i went what are you talking with me i i will admit to that question is my question is maybe a good answer for why do you need to be closed us something i don't need to be in that situation it was in its early stages in my mind why are you working this involved in that though no we were always talking about sales i thought he was he was helping me on all the shit that i was working on i was i was wrong when he wanted to commission on it i told him i was wrong go to say that rich in say i wanted to commission i just didn't want you to get any that's fine but did i in fact i will be happy if you only want to do good for the show them what do you care watchers close it i will close it but i didn't i didn't trust him handling one another because this argument when when he did his mercedes thing and he was like yeah book and bugging that's literally how he talks and talks i know my relationship with said client or with personal because yes i do like them it's a family business i am a client i m a client of theirs and the professional relationship i thought you were gonna fuck it up okay honest god kelleher is don't trust you i don't like you i know you don't okay so then one more thing if you said that i need to be weary of you all this stuff and everything why would you trust you with this lee right why did you why did you how did i trust you with your own lead it was your fucking me why would you trust me to be like yeah okay now i trust this guy it's one way culinary i talked the first one buck on lake on this performance is i i can't i can't even enter to what i mean the the act that you're putting on right now you're fucking nuts that's no act i don't we did you see my post yes i know okay what ADD ADHD ADHD say we made fun of his when he was in the studio i never thought he would actually do anything about it just just practicing my interview with the news yeah you'll be all the warning signs were there and then by the massacre they figured we got really gotten to the bottom so where are we well DC is a fuck we know that yes yes yes he is yes this relationship between you two repairable won't oh here here's the best thing he's done the whole the making sure we're all right we're good anthrax all of your hand did you pat me down when i no never be really sure go ahead i don't understand why what am i missing here why can't you guys get along i ah getting closer calling conan what did i say to you out there is smitty and nate at bars you wanna be they're better irrelevant in this world rowdy think rough and rowdy there's they think i'm relevant in the i don't think anyone to try and get dave portnoy to listen to this oh sure yeah you'll find it rough the the entire the entire minivan world hates me i have no allies one man army abets it's not gonna happen ah you didn't care about yourself yeah the show for the show i already am hated i mean steve from providence literally i but nobody really like you're you're kind of do it will take some time i totally understand the right things take time as we know and also this is the first people were hearing they're gonna hate you more have this have we have we ever heard of someone in radio radio just coming in are nowhere not not getting earning their stripes paying their dues and just coming right now your opponent occur no i didn't say that when did i say they want to be clear about hypothetically was there someone whoever did that but you're but you're but nothing you say make sense like some points to make sense in the sentence i i don't think you think everything they don't tell you what i think colony in and i together could make content that fans would care about okay competition here's the thing i want to beat him in everything that we could do we could do a rock says right now let's go okay i don't think we need to really terrific i don't want to let me let me let me just hand handled yeah so i mean it's up to dave dave ramsey instagram accounts debut or not you're not letting him on the instagram account no okay that's fine he runs he runs his world that's fine i think we should give him whatever he wants until he gets out of this the mic please recap or give me some thoughts here so wasn't with a metaphor the where the fans of the show enjoy the last half hour oh oh yes hardcore don't try and get anyone on board miss episode i'm this is a big recommend a tough ask the fans all i want them to do one of them please transcribed the whole thing please make sense of it that's all i'm asking you to do so difficult doesn't know what he's doing with this video radio this is evidence steve this video can seek grab grab rich gift steve your mic for second steve steve robs the producer of the show has been give me some some some of your thoughts well i mean it's clear that russia's learned from willie cologne that the closer you get somebody that more physically intended yeah just for you may go pee pee break boss says good now it's locked the door give back backorder yeah let's instincts oh really know that he's gone i'll even know anyone else incredibly uncover i've learned a lot of lessons in the last week to be a bitch first of all first of all he's he's in he's part of the family they knew more about this than anybody and as a new father showed up for this first of all you break amended this guy i did that's true yeah he he's basically snapped this week he's playing a character because he just said he thinks his enemies because he was he was he played character before selling you being a regular person right that's probably sure but i i will say this he's part like he's wandering around we can't find the bathroom he is part of the family and the mike no wait just going to be part of the world there's no he's not going to be right the the only thing i think it has to end somehow certainly will what's that like i just wonder if he's you know all there that's been a question i've wanted i haven't really yeah i think it's fine yeah i think so too i'm just making sure everyone's on board with that so he's not gonna party instagram just fine i don't care z. okay with that you'd say he said he was okay with it okay i mean he was like is phase that what he said i gathered at this was like shaking news okay with it by the way he is a six percent chance he's going bathroom blowing his brains yeah which would be up which will be unbelievable the gun is taped under the toilet uh-huh looks in his bag i feel like calling safe i think DC needs to be working steve province these two guys are are in physically yes in the ICU says getting a bad rap he didn't this is shit on that podcast i think he's the dc aspect may have been blown out of proportion so where are you at odds steve i agree i think he's part of the world okay good i thought i thought he put on a great performance something terrific it yes thanks we'll wrap it up because i don't even know don't even know what to say so the instagram you you hate him davor no i don't hate anybody it's close really close how close was that i don't know i wouldn't do it what do you what do you do you what are you what do you do for a living what is your existence it's being your friend what do you they play golf seriously what is your what is your what is your what do you do project managing advertising okay so you have an actual company when you work for you work for yourself or myself family money didn't say that you do guys who are choosing stocks that have family joke doc about the shoes and socks i got these in it says actually no just say say it what does it say hello i was talking walking just remember that humor is actually these just remember everyone will remember the name rich i got him at newbury comics and then tweeted it out and said like which one should i wear i tax you on that i didn't see it i talk show and i did a lot of good promotion for the incident for this conversation conversation by the way i did it was like the most care about the conversation so care about you what would you do you have a girlfriend no i believe that jacques do you have <hes> what do you do what's your day what's my day guess what do you do every day like what do you do when you get up not today but tomorrow last thursday what's the rich kelleher day tetons the one o'clock i'm with you you're not funny other than we actually being serious like what do you do god you scared the shit out say that i i i i work currently right now i'd say that i just finished a three month contract that accompany sentenced to the facility doing some side stuff i'm actually looking for for a new job and i'm gonna say something right side stuff i'd like to delve more into that i would not say right now i think you call nine to five million dollars there's not a lot of money nick so any questions you have for us rich none at all nothing now what what's your what do you do now for the show going forward i guess nothing instagram i mean well you sound keyboard incense what are you doing i mean what are you part of the family all that would be completely up to you we don't disqualify people because at crazy bring them in i mean so what are you gonna do what what do you want me to do with mike area with eric i was in that it's a loser that was awful <hes> of the two of us yes yes how i already reached out to a few other companies about potential advertising yeah oh jesus great good to our outside has representatives for dave cohen enrich that's that's who the world to see the company we bring the sane one colon well what what will your commission be rich if you make a so i have whatever it is like the sound that i don't know whatever whatever we whatever we want was that mean your your sales guy would you want would you like you care about the show so i mean it shouldn't matter it no it doesn't matter actually i mean so zero it could be good whatever whatever i can tell you dave right they're screwed negotiation no like i i i honestly don't i don't care it's not why i'm doing this it's not why why are you why are you doing this i have no idea like this show means a lot to me it means a lot the last seven months when you were off air honest to god was awful and this the fact that this is backed the fact that this the fact that steve from providence has a new lease on life that he can go after me which he did say did you get your question will be no i did not see anything he he said that <hes> it looks like that my my pubic hairs covered with cheeto dust because i'm a redhead and then my video i told him that i i used landscape dot com slash kirk and got twenty percent often i'm very happy down there so squeeze sewn this guy steve steve listen you're listening to see from providence i thought you were going to come to read thirteenth studio said you wanted to punch me in the face started go fund me five grand what is if you get fans can contribute five grand i will let you hit me in the face of red thirteen studios whenever you want get the five grand jurors fine do you see steve from providence in the room with us it's just well played i i know percentage wise why is it here oh he's he's been thomasson bigger funk fro the relevancy they're both shuji relevant figures in our lives DC or st from province a bigger fuck because he's he literally lied on on on on the air and what was the oh shit head clerk in the beach fucking dummy wh what he did was he took he took colonies bullshit right because he's a culinary guy <hes> in tried to smear me and who would ask your serious when i went on read it when i went on read it and started posting your three accounts and every post you i made because i don't need to be on it fucking not i don't wanna have interaction with the fans now i know what i am do you worry don't have interaction with fans but you just challenged stephen no no no i want i want him to hit me in the face because he said that's what he wanted to considering taking legal action against the ec- hearing you know slander oh i think it's either give balch honestly health case but what i wanna do is prove that i would go there and go go where if if somebody wanna go rich i wanna go off with you they're telling you to go to mclane if i listen to this <hes> it really your family yeah parents my mom is a huge kirkman fan suit to literally love you and my neighbor kim i can she she wanted to tell you that she thinks your your sound very good you sound very healthy he's a huge fan of you come jesus christ mike how day komo like i said it's been nice thank you for having me i'd say the real winners in this heater patricia mcgahan to live to the slow the boy was in broadcasting worked for a reputable station made a lot of money who can i get my final final final thing here <hes> i don't know what that means final solution i won't be my final pitch oh yeah what what i think thank dave wouldn't do would would be and that's why i went to the i believe chevrolet theater andrew dice clay going to be there seven PM thanks again for that for me yeah that's exactly what i wanted so everyone says that that blinds that blind mike got his start by selling portnoy that he was gonna get while it's thrown at him but that's not the truth now he started after the deflategate protests that NFL headquarters and you took a train woodrow drove whatever all the way down there and said hey guys like i'm here and that was the funniest thing and everyone everyone really everyone of the universe said that blind mike gets it by mike understands stands it it's funny of course he didn't end job as a as a as someone with and this is this is one hundred percent true as someone with a family with with RPG when you did that one podcast on on trash-talk <hes> talking about it as what are we doing here this is your wrap up i'm gonna mike i know but nobody could this shit don't i pity party podcast know what what mike has his you know his blindness fuck we know so my my point was is that i'd be willing to drive go to NFL headquarters and get wallets thrown in my face for this show and make money off of it i don't think they've where's the value in that evaluation you drive your face metaphorically if that's what you do for this show to make money let's do it aspiring to be the great blind mike saying i'm not i thought i thought i i didn't say you weren't mike uh-huh confused breaking compulsively starts a great it's quiet guys making a lot of point nine it wasn't done yet oh thanks accept your apology <hes> world we're gonna till noon today one of the things one of the things you always said the era that drove you nuts was that no one cared about their shows correct all the people on air no one cared you couldn't understand that i don't understand no trust me i don't get it either because you are constantly thinking about it constantly your own show podcast to promote no not at all should i don't well you should maybe you know when mike vacation philip forms can can dave calling in and yeah i do a podcast if there's money there's money that was the name of it i mean one way conan no featuring news konate thanks so do you have do you have i saw this on read it to maybe it was on the discord do you have <hes> godparent yet the god do not thanks and in that moment the proper life insurance i chance keller maybe the most hated figure the university after this and that's that's fine listen listen listen you imagine being HP did a podcast for eight months nine months talking about kirkman hannah's hero bleeds out on air you know i think i i really think that kirk is mike and i i i come out of nowhere no twitter account he posted twenty twenty thousand views thanks thanks a lot appreciate appreciate that i also retweeted beat the major part of that no one no one come the no contact very close you're looking to move i would love to move out the door versus rich move away from day okay flip the let's say thank you breathe a little bit staring them down the oh boy you'll really clones to two calls thing an issue the act like i can't talking game this into yourself you don't get the show you're not a p one book that's that's okay given the scream account don't want want i wanted to fail now approved approved i was better than you want to show the fail yes i'm kinda a fuck out of here then get the fuck out get you want the single failed get the fuck out i said i want the take i'm telling you right now we'll call security those headphones on here you back the fuck outta here don't get the fuck outta here that ended poorly oh get the fuck out go the fuck outta here go l. like disloyalty get those fucking headphones off get your papers get your fat ass out of here you fucking fuck him fuck your mom go actually i don't wanna do that don't cost charity go we'll call you you bet big forgiveness right now go kirk yes i would take that back i wanna have steve edited obam i'll give them a twenty thank you and you know what that was that was wrong i shouldn't have said i i wanna scream to fail i can guarantee you that the fans who hate me will now follow it because i they know deep down i apologize your masterminded <music> thank you i'm sorry to kim in your mom i apologize and the dc industry i realize we're never leaving this room right situationally played that security i almost thought what does face there's going to be that would be rough and rowdy with thrill ride okay that's that will get out get it out of your mind telling that's the way of your mind it's diverse nate were better we can make money together let's let's do like a challenge where you know we have to fly to chicago and find our way home no phone there's one see how long it takes yeah i know who smitty and nato i still don't know who either you know the only fair that it's medium nate together make great content wouldn't you agree jerry yang poker stuff that was amazing but sm- way way way way if we start off track there's no track i would love to find a track right now on a train run off the ninety five or wer right now i think they're gonna listen to this so concerned about my concern sorta welcome stephen downloads you think why do you think you are the reason for getting downloads it kirk invite the reason of course he is it's part of the game baby play with this guy people are tuning in ready to go hello her colony is amazing and best night you care you care what people think about you or you wouldn't respond all day with your wife nine months pregnant to every say running an instagram account when you're playing a reaction to to all that stuff though that was a reaction to you you have no humanity he said to me <hes> you have not have you know soul but i have no humanity whether yeah no i was just like you went on a rant i felt it was over the line ball bustle heavily compassionate where we were i told you i took the al on it personally i now now okay but you're you're you're you're still part of the world right part of the world if you if you want me to what i don't understand that you have no radio instinct whatsoever what are you doing the child talking mike family does your family what do they do with you the confused by you have you ever had a girlfriend yeah that's impossible you know doesn't you must be averts very this is very tough for me tougher i'll leave yeah it was a smart move for him to not take however now there's no way he's left us with no options all right how how can you have worked in radio dave in have no instincts at all and i feel like you'll be gut instinct you'll stay the fuck away from me dave okay okay any final any fight will go around the room we'll start with mike any final thoughts mike i think we accomplished a lot here we really got to the bottom of this and i think <hes> closer hers part of the team number one salesman and dave can report to him on any sales dave go ahead please i got nothing that was wild you're still gonna run instagram for us right here okay and you're still working on some sales us yeah pitching people confident shall we with rich keller <unk> ahead your final <hes> i would say tighted edited condensed thoughts everyone a socratic give picture of at the craziest person than ever seen before i mean in this way hold on ritual now if he's kidding easy almost crazier to to be able to play that kind of character no matter which way you play it he's insane which is why i like them i like you you understand that right absolutely you you love you i love you too we're best friends we said that yesterday i wanna hang out a lot that's fine good okay that's okay i mean i don't wanna i wanna get in the way me did you hear that okay i don't wanna get in the way you'll get busy day i don't want to the ask and call you and your cool excellent and cam in your mom and everybody absolutely my my mom invite you over for dinner she wants to come in i live i live fifteen actually barstool investigators is now on me he's like oh rich kelleher was what not seventy five pounds and then he went to two forty and this whole thing about his lifestyle change he's making up which certainly not fifteen minutes from here how many irrelevant seven people as he mentioned hold on the list is i live in holliston x. or or my parents from halston i live in brighton now excellent okay right by i mean we can carpool message you and asked you if you wanted to ride oh thank you i just what we have we have uh ah shut up please we have jim hackett h. b. e. c. <hes> kim his mom dave calling stephen providence providence my forgetting yemeni my mom really wants you in the family to come over for dinner can you end the family you may ask serious questions with caitlin swimming and stuff are you available available to babysit harry a couple of days a week yeah absolutely great that's that's fine we talk yeah good excellent we'll just drop them off the bryan sir okay so now once again that somehow led to <hes> bring mike home condensed final thoughts about where you're going to be in the world i can help the show with steve maybe a potential intern maybe steve can work more close together would you be okay with that steve bishop whatever whatever i would need to do to help this show i'm gonna do okay dip your okay shouldn't be doing i know that's bad at this point if i don't if i don't dip i'm gonna drink so it'd be dipped shouldn't be fat in-dipping at the same time though well maybe there's a potential sponsor out there that wants to help me lose weight okay because i i want to look at this look is always thinking sales on checkout this gut it's disgusting we got it all right i mean i mean literally steve's in front of my face recording accordingly i don't i don't know what he's doing he's doing what are you doing is recording you paris coping so go ahead good instincts there condensed i i apologize i will get five sales before you get one okay okay what happened but we all know dave's not going to get one the final fifteen years to do that if you need to make me listen to all the bad radio and in your stead in even to come in every day and turn sure why not i'll do what is it like a mid turn ship you intern as as a twenty nine hundred against is not okay no that's fine okay all right anything for this show whatever i can do nasima as many wallets i can take to the face or do i need to go to NFL HQ i'm down for it i liked the rich kelleher rich thanks so much we're gonna wrap things up with dave so thank you we appreciate that try to be better after i leave okay we'll do our best no cracking talking to you talknet that's okay say hello mom she's actually a about move soon soaking congratulations richard always good to see you putting cameo i'll say something now can i mentioned the doors closed and it's open and okay you may say that i am irrelevant heaven inspired anyone but i've inspired one one young man and is taking my lead i feel like one of those things he just came out with us and he'll be done with us for good don't you think he'll just move on to other stuff sure he's not walking back in right now komo cheeses horror movie what what are you looking for your phone that could have been all right now back to antonio brown go ahead deadbolt what these exit you have to have some of that stuff oh yeah of course how long was that seven hours it's thursday our the listeners of the kirkman dan show enjoy that yes okay maybe if you're a new listener you probably could have ended the k. marco stuff and then for the day holy shit i don't know what do you think steve it's a big baller crazy right there that is the craziest person i've dealt with some crazy people i've been in rooms of crazy people i've slept with crazy people that's that's the craziest person i've ever met in my life you put your finger on it when you were like all because fuck had colin brought him in i don't know why did you like if it's an an act crazy republican doesn't matter ways crazy other thing is <hes> colonies likability goes up ten thousand four oh i the percents cohen avatars are gonna go up a lot was obviously just so aggressive what happened like off the air last day or so he just started tweeting out shit and doing these videos like he didn't just all this shit and then deleting z. bothering you all the time no he was just like talking shit and tagging me in it and it i was just crazy i don't know how long game i just can't do it when he was like leaning india very uncomfortable what point he put that blanket on and like his sweaty anxious do you think he's do you think you've got in this car and drove away i actually asked the red thirteen people to make sure that he did really really i saw that interaction newswatch we don't have confirmation i legitimately was interested in searching his bag i'm not like forty-five minutes that interested you know some people see me like okay they're crazy keys but he's he's he's ours we're going to adopt him he's part of the family what are you gonna do turn your back on no certainly there's nobody who could actually couldn't i don't think what do we do with them i'm back in wednesday no i'd rather never see him again but is he less is he ever normal i thought he was moderately normal how did he was constantly texting me nonstop just caught and i just played the game too much and i never should have let it go that far it was completely my fault you can't even make fun of colony right now i'm like it's not even fun yeah i apologize i can't play it i just can't do it i was not comfortable there's money in him and i being enemies and were nobody's well there's there's there's interest interest in there being conflict on the show also you guys are both part of the show then yeah he's in a sense right but wouldn't it be better if there was something about the conflict wasn't dislike angry at fighting roughing rowdy i cannot tell you how delusional joy you can call me and five of us would watch and that'd be about you can clearly call me a bitch for my behavioral last last week i was a bitch i was a dorm painted dick as as as i'm going through that this guy is telling me to not let the instagram account suffer and to give him mm-hmm the password by the way going through dramatic no i thought you know what i mean you know what i mean it's just crazy you know you get lost in the whole thing with this insanity jesus christ well okay i mean i think we accomplished a lot mike sue i think we've so he's going to be a representative out to the world now selling stuff right and dave reports him a commission we got on the record yes i did you guys see the action over the weekend because a lot of people were reaching out to me being like did that action asian like what he was doing over the week graham read it on non image tweeted out video i didn't see a ton more on top of that and people were literally saying be careful in studio dead no that's that would be that would be terrifying why i think i'm going to see him i've no doubt see him in the parking lot there's no question yeah probably my car or something i have no doubt jesus he's fucking look like i've never seen it was a good one the first time was funny funnier each time holy shit well all right so i i think he's now going to be the most hated person in the world i was afraid when he said to you i was like oh shit that respond he i you just get so busy rich i'm sorry all right what else is going on anything else even talk about any what else do we have nothing else jumps out of you the first week of football season serpent turf is out is that right yes yes good would just micro no no steve said it was not even remarkable balance it was i'm sure it's great i'm sure it's wonderful it's awesome the play is just boring or no silence stephen chow and i'm here with super bowl champion willie cologne hey this is surf and turf podcast it's going to be a weekly NFL based on not show why there's going to be interviewed why does barstool allow those guys to work for radio dot com forget it i was going to elaborate got you sorry i it actually sounds good it sounds like honestly the way to do things show up and talk football and so you know i love the the nuttiness howard stern from one thousand nine hundred of love that last segment right yes i loved it i loved it but there was partying i thought you know to echo the gunman antonio the browns fan with the patriots they won last night and got fired can interview brady and boomer size and just go home right just be done that'd be it yeah you and jerry would have fun yeah hey you you wanna get some lunch manages giving some ship it so we'll finish fourth place cares really who cares when you're dead where you finishing some fucking ratings book instead instead of going into the day which keller with that with that blanket overs thing with his legs crossed sitting next to kalani coney putting his arm right around me so contact uh-huh contact what are the sound i would not i will go i will meet his family that seems fair yeah just go over for dinner you and your family the whole thing his mom's big fan of mine yeah she wants the whole family come over now i wonder if his mom is in fact a fan will i wonder if you listen into that and think like oh my my boy was on the did really well thank keller right there behind you mike in the window what are we going to get some standard bad radio we get a little bit of eae from this morning we've got to kamala harris is in trouble because she laughed he had some guys who called president retard i heard this heard this very bad very good that is not good you should never say never know which one so i don't buy that argument that impeachment does not make sense senate will acquit i don't buy that argument there needs to be accountable only going to do the knicks one year diminish the mentally retarded action of this well ed i plan to win this election i'll tell you that is there now she's saying she didn't hear the question can you believe that louis the laughed and said well set i will say like if i'm gonna defender wouldn't she she's she's so so politically correct wouldn't you correct the guide i if you would think if she heard him it's the thing that they do to trump to like if someone stands up his like obama's a muslim he's they want him to be like no he's not a muslim and you have to let her in the political dynamic you don't wanna lecture anybody there you're trying to get those people to vote for you i guess if she had a PC thought she's dead anyway i mean she tossed any jewish good good why is that good it's good for people who like freedom and not like over incarcerating young people okay sorry what are you laughing the people that like freedom waivers keller's ought to be free yeah freedom's not all it's cracked reevaluate that right certainly he has a job at actually paycheck that's what he said i understood project manager i've never talked to disagree with him he's a great guy i was reading i'm sure i'm busy today but yeah next time i think it's a lot of money in him to new york and having wallstrom this face metaphorically right not literally literally phone my lead baby just like oh there's like there's no humor with him at all either all it was the that was the show one day there was a guy my name mike and needed a podcast about is what's the PR what's your thing i don't know what he was he was a oh so i <hes> retinal pigmentosa is something i may we have our p yeah ok p is great and he was an inspiration i'm gonna drive down there and then chris curtis we throw his name to list of irrelevant i yeah it's an realize that metaphorically he's speaking on a higher level completely out of the folks that listen to this show how can i one day day achieve greatness that blind mike well i think it was after that in a bisi galaxy to clean shaven so he woke up early i picture shaving shaving this morning today's today's my work as you always get the shave on getting dressed these everything's everything's plan for him what did you make of the red bowl and ice coffee tvos aggressive grub didn't need some dead on i would say maybe on the war now i'm not i'm not i just had to confirm to my people that we're all alive dave dealt with this guy was like you know what let's bring them in because these guys might be a little you might be a little out there but you know hey let's what an arm's reach of the talent sabbatical she's shake my hand to sleep with a fire well now he's coming in and maybe a lot of people say i'm no good interviews maybe about when we do an interview and he gets to talk to you there is like if collin name willing to play ball oh no keller colony half hour podcast once a week where they just argument and i would listen to that i know short play ball with that you don't but you just just fight with them you follow them a couple of times i mean listen if you think it's a good idea i don't want you whatever you wanna talk about magic from that parking lot would you be willing to do this this week you do this can you guys fill in you and kelly her fill in tuesday on the what's up dummies on the show account listen up this is up optima flexible i feel like i need to process what just happened a little bit more so why not just fucking hate him to be moderated by blind mike mike mike moderator right sure good all right fine you're in what's go- tuesday night the keller also yes or no to that i think he'll say so mike because mike you are involved yes sure try and stay out of as much as i can go down for ten minutes and do it what i'll manage excellent what else do we have so we've got a little bit of audio from this morning we've got <hes> on w. e. some standard bad radio stuff out here what do we want this anything i i need to get my head cleanse the pedal there's a woman in british columbia who is complaining because she was told on hold on we'll give you context context so as i always say this our old show have you noticed the same thing i do so so i <hes> i'll show now is the greatest show in the morning whenever so this is one of these mornings where this going on if you're doing boston sports radio this morning like it's you know pretty easy i'm not saying you gotta break down the fucking game it was a blow hello but between the red sox gassing dombrowski and what that means and why they did it and all the politics of that the patriots bringing this fucking brown the brown guy fucking game last last night while this shit to get to now they go around the room for their lead kenan chris each do they centric thing involved with that and they oddly just daniel did you notice this the way late sound okay so you notice that it was like chatter it was around and then all of a sudden that starts so it's just like you and i talking doc in right now and then i'll add woman yes it's bizarre ten seconds before no okay because that's exactly the thing i i was like she taped it before it was weird yeah just came out of nowhere so almost your theory that kennedy just playing drops of them i don't know maybe true for like today is like whether that show successor not the end who knows does this will be their biggest listening audience until shore until the day if the patriots this i mean this day is people whether you like the shows or not <unk> are going to listen to the toucher and rich and greg hill now neither show as what you would call trish from sports show but that's all you got right now that's what you want in boston you'll listen to the radio so this is what you're going to get and if you put the put it on this morning say eight or nine minutes late you get in your car at six daniel coming this story steve it was no more abrupt than him just playing it right right now like it just bizarre and left them in a pile of ashes and nine hundred oh there's a woman british weirdly the he doesn't even say danielle your thoughts or anything like just out of nowhere the comedian guy whatever his name is <hes> fizi nineteen which would ever doesn't you know but that's is what people who listen to that stuff want to hear this morning right they want to hear about brown they want to hear about dombrowski getting fired they want to hear about the game last night they want to hear about brady they just do the mets small robinson people that are listening particularly morning i mean you know that i get i mean i wouldn't i'd be bored with it but i mean i get the people want to do it and and then she jumps to the story that nobody gives a fuck about what is the story with is the best team in the AFC last night and left them in a pile of ashes nine hundred oh there's a woman woman in british columbia who is complaining because she was told to cover up after she took her off at a hot yoga class to get to more of the hot yoga classes they didn't have a sports bra on her shirt that she was wearing was thicker than the normal fabric that she's used to and she said you know what it's going to take it off and blair your amount to the world like i wonder why she even listening to fizi talking before them or was it just like an alarm went off and now what are you doing i i might as well take pictures for instagram's if i'm here style also add to the conversation i'm just i didn't know if you want me to leave your a little exhausted you'll confuse i just fucking pick it i fucking fucking hate him i'm sorry it's in my brain you brought them in here i am dealing right now who is in sorry you guys are having a conversation what was that and no one's like what the where way take it easy again as you always say that's called the lead yes yeah that's the bleed story they've they've given up on that concept that that's why anybody nobody in the world even knows there is no way jesus what else anything else there's one thing i wanted to ask you well you got the center referred disease control has a message for hipsters everywhere stop vaping okay i don't care she has rice as gentlemen slightly blue older than me you might not get this reference i just didn't understand out of nowhere greg hill says that he got home at one AM from the game last night they say oh the game last night that's what he said she's got home at one AM yeah and then daniel says good lord batman is that a reference i should understand that would be like something that robin would say the batman adam west show oakley was on in the sixties okay right and in syndication when i was a kid but would have no i would not okay so use that as a topical reference unless missing something she said that to me i would say why would you ever say lord batman s so again this is why these guys keep their jobs greg that game last night hobnobbing and some sweet somewhere i have no doubt about that smart if that's i mean that's the way one of the play but you couldn't if thousand morning show you couldn't pay me fifty million dollars to go that game last one in the morning and i assume they get an five thirty or whatever i guess maybe drove maybe he stayed like place by brighton or something last the hotel or something but still lives way out yeah i mean it's like an hour out what the fuck jesus it's hope he's well rest holy moly moley bad lord jeez louise later years that's what she said yeah good lord batman what else do we have seen any else could a little bit of bob and tom radio couple of bob and tom a good one bob and tom dice dice two favorite guys are neal and bob and neil and bob is that what you guys do the feedback was good yeah i got a lot of feedback from the dice here about friday night the discord did you hear about this let's just say i didn't for forty five minute chat an organized chat discussing the dice interview only and the dude rich mandarin moderated it it was steve providence was there chris from wakefield i'm all the stars what is your point hundreds of people showed up you just talk about that interview in an organized fashion interest good show on discredited great community all of them would probably by one hundred discord shirts all of them are guaranteed that's not true you can't depends depends on price is all we can charge people money to join the discord stop stop now but i'm just saying i'm just saying that's that's how good that interview was but you enjoyed it there you go you enjoy it mike i enjoy listening to it yes we i listened to the cut it was not that bad it was for me it was it was funny if it was if i had asked to women that big of a deal but there's also tried like six times before you got to get a different i i i like three different questions i tried to get him to get moving right so yes yeah i mean i don't think history will not remember the michael mann story right that much sure the even like michael jackson accent thing was sort of a weird curveball even the <hes> the mohammed ali thing was kind of interesting just because it was mohammed ali ali didn't remember we start talking about his kids and whether you call it up and the juice we start talking like dice that was a big moment in the interview when these i like you guys like fifteen minutes and i was like okay good for more than ten minutes came right after his question right there you can see right you probably yeah maybe i can answer stupid question like that but i thought it was an interview with like you know special people talk oh <music> for that ice baths voice say do rich keller you can get over it you i can lost so who's as a bobbin who bought into <hes> another national hair so they're like opie and anthony if opie and anthony did nothing controversial it's almost like like light casino-like toucher and rich would be compared to you like there's sort of an edgy show i guess they're aware of they make fun of shit but not but now right yeah yeah that's touching richard be good compares hey marco was like them sure got your good man i don't know if you know this josh arnold former snake on owner yeah i didn't know you had a ponytail that's one of the snake stereotypes did not have but what kind of snake did you ball python life on us greenwood work i don't know my snowfall pilot because they've got it as a baby oh there's a one minute rest of around always i never took it out of the house it was always well apartment so we would go like this you would go home after her day at work yeah get get your snack out of the tank lay within the catch go sit on the couch and watch TV my brother drunkenly laid with it on the couch and we lost it for a week oh really yeah wow we wednesday is day johnny okay jesus christ i think these i forget if these are the guys pretty should they hate each other also kind of feel they all hate each other man today they're like the you know kirk and callahan of the midwest there the other big but they're syndicates they're all over the midwest i think as they get a lot of comedians and everything i hear from my community they go in there and they're kind of like what the fuck is this like it's very it's a weird environment but if you think about the comedian came in when jerry and i are doing the show they'd be like i was talking about either like jerry i i you know i don't know yeah who knows jesus that's bizarre but that's a good one that might be one to look into tom anything else you better you better know the more you better you bet do that now that nick costas like impression that'd be a bikes talked to mike voice why else are no i've got stephen chasing an ad read oh i would like to hear that because you do it very <hes> conversationally yeah which you know you get to some of you get to filthy mind like everyone i've ever spoken to anybody ever spoken to calling a sales guy dave what are you laughing at i'm sales guy i'm really not texting with color on i'm i'm still just thinking about if i just wish i hit him in the face i wouldn't have been good afternoon i'm in this dilemma where i think i was a pussy and we're not what are you gonna do jack up red bull he would have eaten your face that would be interesting i would have been the first line of defence in that i would have had to jumping it'd be the guy got killed by accident that's your that's your destiny you would you say the way i do sales reads are better way than just your traditional don't read the perfect yeah it makes people less masking set at too many russians netflix you say well how does dave say to these sales people mike when he says the fucking can passion that kirk brings to these reeds to boost you might as well be sending them for your candidate i'll tell you right now it feels like you're right now right getting your fucking knees i'm gonna jerk often come on your fucking face feels like a nice fucking hot low dripping on your fucking chest feels like all right let's go let's order i wanna stay let's go it'd be big fucking state so you're fucking paid for it to close medium i'm sorry do you remember back over here do you remember when i said medium rent let's go let's go do you fucking remember okay yeah no brita yes i want you you bring up a word is baked baked potato you stupid fuck to do your job it's fucking restaurant fuck you stay open this fucking qualities of quality these places it's so anyway the ninety second data but kirk gives you more so this is stephen kay who is in sales and has been critical of my work i'm doing it right so this is gonna be your stephen we'll say well not really not particularly critical voice he he reminded us does he voice to sent to the region he reminded us to keep the ads over sixty seconds but it's not even clear that there was ever a complaint about you correct there was not as a matter of factors we've learned in fact is told other people do more like me publicly so is it was dissent voiced about the res yes okay that's email to us so let me hear this guy who is a fucking he's a pro ball of fire this guy i've heard let me hear him to read <hes> in a similar tone <hes> upsets presented by fans faneuil sportsbook is now <hes> live in pennsylvania new jersey and most recently west virginia scientific bangles dot com slash stool and get a free five hundred dollar risk-free bet with us all season gambling problem call one eight hundred gambler or visit one hundred gambler dot net <hes> so upset steven my i like the falcons to go into minnesota they played last year affiliate got it wrong again so so boring as fuck and we'd like to handle yes well we love fan right shirt sponsor but why not combustion money so give them over the life fucking life into it for christ's sakes i mean so there are sales guy first of all it's typical sales game sri selling for other the people trying to help us fucking podcast go sell stuff idiots fan does good and interesting i get five ups fucking put a life in the drip fucking loser user jesus christ as alive data the fucking world is worse off go books jesus he'll be fucking dies puck and parents dying of his grandparents still alive up they die the two right sure yeah good and like the bucks i'm a grown man i like the buck seen i did see i wanna look at them yeah they're they're awesome awesome fucking asshole thick face fuck head she'll combat books podcast yeah yeah sure sure absolutely oh aw god that wasn't that bucks podcast day manga diagnose pancreatic cancer was a better day than listen fucking podcast would you rather do a show every day with a rich kelleher stevenson okay i'd rather do i love steve get confused twenty two hours a day podcast host the five minutes with keller once a week the studio sweat sweat i asked the idiot for the ACC to be turned off which by the way is a keller move it's like a hostage AC turned up there's no i we can never have him in here again i was gonna ask will there ever be an invite back you know he'll be back you'll be back you're shaking head no now i don't think he he joined by phone with if i want him back in here then he comes back right he didn't do anything we was all suspicion we we're very suspicious of him but he didn't technically do anything that that's true goes who's doing that bathroom p break boss he's in all the jokes like he's up he's a p wiki he's he you want the as people listen more than you dave oh he definitely lessons more than me yeah good good sales guy dave thanks a lot what else i'm reading this book by the way this the cavenaugh book yeah it was at the new york times reporters who no no no no no no mollie hemingway was she loath to the defense of him yeah i thought there were two competing there's one on the smear job in one trying to vindicate the allegations one of course the mainstream press loves that's the one in new york times did did supremacy halfway in obviously i pay fucking in obviously this is coming from people who are pro cavanaugh but one of the great smear campaigns the history of civilization it was almost not on the supreme court right if wasn't there susan collins you probably wouldn't have been and called a rapist like let's not forget that i mean he was an alcoholic gang rapist by somebody who has no recollection of one that was who it was where it was they'll put this into this headline jeez i'm just saying like you think just you think judge cavanaugh was innocent i think he is innocent yes i do it's cool it's cool you say that just don't put it in the head i happen to think he's tennyson yesterday i could be wrong yeah he's innocent don't you yes i do but i mean now the clip that out yeah oh you make sure you're just reading this book i'm always amazed this guy was almost not on the supreme court dave your thoughts on that to finish the book and then you can what are you reading right now i'm not reading anything you're gonna read the book that kelleher get they gave it to me oh you autographed too to pitch anything thanks for the memories thanks interning for you sucked to the interviews was an intern for you how did that come up i don't even know that that true interning for you so is that a joke that we're not getting i i don't i don't really understand yes probably anyway that's random book aside but i think it good steve moore cavenaugh thumbs for steve he's he's lighting up go ahead the campaign almost worked so just imagine what happens in a certain supreme court justice kicks the bucket and trump's president true and i'm saying it's going to be even worse this way from now on yes but i would argue that ruin someone's life and yes you get what you want i've our democrat democrat i would hate ruth ginsburg anybody for not retire under obama three years to go she said you know what who knows your second term it looks good but who the hell knows i think it's totally selfish she loves those documentary she'll have the movies made about say was that a good movie humidity or fucking her nephew wrote it yeah right everybody treats her like she's oh it she does yoga whatever like no she's she selfish she loved being famous and this is what you get now you're gonna get some forty two year old republican supreme court guy who's gonna be there for fifty years because of that he told alert great exercise it cholesterol completely and you'll probably esten guys but anyway sega my thoughts on that yes wonderful that'll be supreme court justices is are there mike you really don't know that seven once they worried it what's the right answer he's close steve off you move up a little bit move your number up a little bit nine c. c. that's good how many justice are on the supreme court changing no that i guess it was RB was the different socks in the gift shop what RPG socks in in the gift shop at the people of i'm just saying like supreme court justice arnaud day i suppose that's true no i think people would know now i guess i knew i mean i knew seven or nine i was pretty confident those gaps he knew it was an odd odd number yeah oh yes but that was on the show and he said eight i thought that would be difficult haven't even number mud because tying actually literally be nothing the country before republicans and four democrats probably always time books rocked by this by the way well i just i was gonna ask him more questions feel badly today is not that they don't feel bad about that i know we should know that do do make fun of my disability my family know that the fact that i don't know how many supreme court i don't know i know now known okay good over the next month will it be a globe smear story nebraska next month next month yes i'd say right when the season ends you've hinted around this but what is the what is the kernel of this mere restored gonna be say in trouble we now we don't know i don't know yeah i i i have no idea i know but it's like it's total basically based on okay so it's a perfect globe story based on rumor innuendo and speculation okay all right by the way the truth of it really hurts nobody good for them he was doing whatever when they wearing one hundred eight games last year it didn't have anything to do with his job stupid but the but they're capable of being slimy like that and cheap as we do no bob whole front page story and it has been you know the guy who owns the team owns the paper so it's just fucking unbelievable i i i think they may not even be that tone deaf to they might not do it because they know respects it with kona there was a huge outcry against it like nobody cares nebraska you got fired you know what i mean like they're not fighting back against anything but there was <hes> who was there someone else that left the no one really cared ellsbury very maybe you're someone i can't remember what it was but there's someone they kind of did the same thing like why are you doing this right he's gonna love it gives a shit like that and that's true hopefully sam kennedy gets fired great that would be great for the home end show what can you do we go we've got some standard bad radio we've got a <hes> war of roses from last this week we've got a young jeffrey's song from brooke and jubal which kinda he did he was such a high is hard to come back from you know where's kelleher right now do you think this hype behind that wall that was the best line the whole thing thing mike do you think he was he was decided to go a hell bent on dc which is not a great move you know go after me your mic or dave somebody who's still he respects us too much i guess we hate steve although he kinda tried doing that like like steve pointing the fucking camera at me and he tried to tough guy thing a little bit with steve i i honestly i kept saying to people keep using them just be wary of it because he's so clearly aggressive trying to like this is your fault breath it is my fault i know you keep trying to what are you saying because i feel bad if he's DC's taking shit about it now let me say this quickly about the before four were done so every week he does wrap up show right yes and it's really good very well excellent very good but i thought there being bitchy about us maybe doing a wrap up show but it's not the same thing at all now first of all the fucking invent it i get why they would be like well that already exists does exist ours wouldn't be like that we would be talking doc it'll be like a show first of all i did it in the old show with my producers stern every these guys didn't invent it and by the way their idea that do it came from me even if it's the same what does it matter right i'm sure i mentioned it at some point is said to do which is fine arts will be different will be mike recapping the show with somebody like it's not that it's not the same at all on the web getting mad about the fuck were they complaining complaining though just like but i guess that's true the knows but i but i think tweet a couple of times so against good he does a good job alba continues to do because it'll be different than what we're doing i think who the fuck knows what's call at the studio and we're still waiting on bids from contractors but we get some <hes> some acoustic treatments install this week get some painters lineup but whether the first painters was like oh yeah no all paint just for promotion on the show and then we get away from it and he was like oh i talked to my wife and i kind of need the cash to switch painters but i show a lot of people i know we're working over it going over to the suffolk downs tonight later today to go check out their space back to suffolk downs boston i treats too expensive believe call who gillette what does that say i haven't been there is at that big oh it's not that big it's only it's like perfect amount of seats thousand dollars an hour is it really thousand bucks our jesus christ so i don't know yeah people are asking about it we're going to do it but when when out of them i don't know yet who knows meets tober dates gonna happen is that that is is approaching very quickly okay how's that looking these concern is more more of the studio right now which is number one priority is the new studio yes it should it should be mike's doing nothing right now taking d you know okay well what are you doing today when the show's over now your fulltime all time whatever you need taking care of business what looking over my shoulder for rich kelly just trying to stay alive anyway i can what's what's the big takeaway going to be today kelleher more than k marco obviously obviously right from your from the fans you know what to do with this guy now it's going to hate him i think that the kelleher kind of overshadow the k. mark of probably oy probably in a way but is it well yeah minivans are because what can count it really sort of fans who saw it on periscope or not feeling what they saw what do you mean like it didn't like a german kelleher right now i don't know if they definitely did not like keller i don't think they're gonna like i think people are gonna hate keller doesn't come off as very likeable no no there's not a lot not a lot to like there you the whole thing no just bits and pieces there was fear like where i would make a comment and he'd darlie right over at me and look at me yeah and just kind of scary i crossed in the video there was real anger like i'd be all in on it i just i don't think it's i think it's real i think it's really yeah i think it's real for sure it's not anger at cullen it's angry its anger at the creator of these matter you okay so that's what's weird he's trying to make a thing out of him and i but he's not angry at me but all of his attention he was laser focused on me i think he's really crazy i don't think that's an act i don't think he's actually mad at dave for anything you're gonna quit last week was zone zone where you in i don't know when you called me a liar that i've been talking to people i just like i was being serious about that just hit me in a weird way but we don't look really correspond outside reach out to me and say hey why did you say that i guess i could ed i think i'm an asshole and i just like react to it on twitter like novel i know but you but you just said we don't communicate but you do that i do have an option yeah so that was part of our we last week as part of the lesson that i went and last week for sure but you're going to do this again no you own i really don't mind definitely two weeks mike's rants it's against you i loved it texas great i can't i reached out to mike first of all i was really just an into say congratulations basically to getting the job mike you very happy for sound we didn't play does that they don't know if you want to what is it that's all i obviously you've been looted to a thousand times how bad is it what's it about it's bad what's it about no reason because if on my on my family no not really because i don't i honestly don't care about the family no no no no no no i don't think it's how would you tied into his family you can't thank you steve or no no there's no way to really know i don't think so no i like so you so is this a is this a protecting dave or the thank thank you i wish i didn't mike went too far it was me way too far bad boy who'd you get that right there from thursday then you'll do you pick so you've got it already in congress <music> bad boy bad boy camiel business going blossom dried up the spiked your price at the thirty move move i disagree could move oh you want you anymore now that you're rich i mean i'll do it but you know what's the deal with this the ones that starting with the new studio new studio steve can you do it on instagram can you do it yeah well we can do it all social me think or did you think was going to be bull i i need to know about it if it's gonna be instagram yes sure well you guys couldn't instagram's instagram's different than the other places so it's just syndicated out there so sorry doing good to have you thanks keller was right well that sounds the there was one that should absolutely be adroitly he i forget what he said but like i was fucking speaking very very serious uh-huh shake shaker to there was some shaking big shaker yeah i was just staring at the computers over here and your body kept going this oh you almost dave guinea further away you micro essentially touch very strange <hes> yes so we'll start yeah i guess we'll start the post show so tomorrow night listen up dummies mike dave rich next big that's big now maybe we'll see if this works we we can we'll make no sense but that's okay yeah that's fine just down twitter no big deal we had read thirteen years right we've also got to do or no no i i think we're good jesus christ live to dine shows day of being longer now i would prefer the ninety minutes personally and then kirk and then kirk doing more content outside because now i know you're willing to go to an f. hours that means an hour of different types of kirk content what does that mean if you want to do videos yeah yup i do have more comfortable doing that why didn't say it'd be comfortable i just mean video opportunity because you're you're you're stretching your time that you're here sure that it means it's an opportunity to create something like do a ninety minute podcast here and then later do just a quick periscope about the ABC i don't even care don't care if you do oh yeah i've thoughts on that no one else says you see that funhouse had about francesa yes it's unbelievably great so great you couldn't really scripted better to have happened in steve or no i read i tweeted them both back toback yesterday i think so francesa was on friday so let's play that if you could find i was on friday in some guy called him up the antonio brown to which by the way if anybody had a fucking rock in their head the minute that was everybody was thinking just assumed he was going to patriots we're fuck else he's not gonna play this year he's going to go to the patriots that made all the sense in the world do we have better know ryan patrick what's up ryan a they mike how's it going call the other day so i figured i call today <hes> i just wanted to talk about antonio brown how could be a good fit the path but before we get started i just want to add <hes> you know what i don't think antonio brown line i think that's ridiculous that's it that was your dime that's-that's your point he's going through the pats i don't see it so matt process up on sunday right on his NFL show yeah yeah talking talking about antonio brown the do it on the app oh there's not one and wherever it is here he's talking about how made all the sense in the world for bronco player no how how out there no matter how much he's disruptive can affect the patriot culture the patriot culture is built it's rock rock-solid you come in and you do things their way or you don't do all you never impact them impact you or you leave so it's always the perfect place for the troubled player especially the clerk because like i said you never say oh he can ruin my locker room like if you're the jets right now with a young team on your quarterback this it's the greatest because he cares about that stuff so much wants you to believe that he gets every prediction right it's such a great quality i mean obviously i can get worked up game but the else but it's great to be able to say yeah you know i fucked that one up funny to be wrong like what like this is what he says find the audio financial defy right now by coming over here i told you the browns are gonna lose tells asia but that's the thing is like i don at the end of the day i don't really cares you don't know anything very wide and there's nobody knows anything right it's also funny they'll never admit he's wrong oh def f- if he said he was wrong where's the humor yet but even like sa- might do that he might go so wrong and then but then who kind of like walk that back and greg i mean i didn't really say that what i was saying was and just come with some bullshit answer to get not to talk about sports and all his fucking braiding in the plug this one hundred twenty five years old it is starting to his friend or foe into a false sense of security personnel sometimes you have to walk like i like the results sports socceroos news i don't like talking about sports that much anymore but i appreciate when something is fucking sane this is actually boarding he's forty two years old he's the best player in the league if you didn't know a better last night watching the game would you hold the note doesn't know yet again there are other places to listen to this but i just find that fucking believe it i i mean what what do you what do you think is performance last night says about the future of the TB twelve franchise saying again not everything has to be marketable you talk sports it's fucking the greatest football player of all time at age forty two is playing as well as it is madness and it's fucking madness radio mahomes MVP your thoughts created this monster so i can't even talk seriously what would you ask him questions today ask you nothing you fucking blow them and talk about brown did you did you really ask ask him to move in your house looks like you get some competition of melanin as quarterback visit you fucking play great like there's nothing i'd probably ask him about about kelleher i guess at some thoughts are you a twenty minute answer the guerrero things he's like you know what i'm happy about that i thought you were very insulting norwich keller redeemer just hangs up i will say this i was talking to jerry about this brady isuzu much happier curtis was telling me i talked to curtis last week <hes> when curtis was when we're talking about the show which curtis really likes mentioned <hes> he was like brady calls now six fifteen in the morning and say hey chris has got the point brady sakala mondays right for us but he blew us off all the time he would cost nine fifty on tuesday morning at the last possible minute before we get <unk> hated us really and now he's just like joking around brady likes getting his fucking knob rub loves doesn't he loves jim gray and fitzy and hillman and dan key likes that which to me is great as breezy as kind kind of a knock clay i like guys aren't afraid to fucking break balls and dick around like i don't know that seems to me these sort of a knock on radi curtis had what i thought was a veiled reference to this show this morning they always about the debris thing yeah and fitzy made some horrible joke and curtis goes yeah fall guy right kind kinda referencing the awful joke we made fun of him ryan could be could be yeah that sound i'm here this is the most predictable and pathetic thing from from your boston red sox yup i wait for the moment where the patriots are about to go nineteen antonio brown has now officially a member of the team they just raised their six banner and destroyed the the steelers on sunday night football in a game that will probably do like a forty five share when the red sox turning to the biggest one dumped car i thought it was interesting too that he he chris brings up like the legitimate newsworthy thing in greg hill's length nothing that is the contrast of the two worlds so so chris is still our child try way like like that's something jerry and i would dig in on maybe to our detriment like i think our audience would like it but maybe we'll go to in 'cause i wouldn't care there was a blow game last night i don't really give a fuck about the jerry jerry would be all in which makes it a new football it's good for ball is always good when i grow up my other harrelson you get nothing else to do right bird my advice now not do right brady people predicted that you're going to put any ken i predicted a big win for the patriots we jerry wear jersey get so worked up a weird things like would have can rig the sound and pick against the patriots he would fucking flip out in in one time it happened while brady was calling in and brady hurt it and jerry spent the first ninety seconds pollick wasn't true turn 'em like we're talking talking like what are you doing he's like the taxes are you crazy just so you know sock puppet layered perkins a character with us i tried give it to full back story we just twenty nine like everyone wants to hear in a move on it's not true like jerry your voice clearly clearly different like it's clearly we ended on purpose the sound bad joke the whole thing's a joke thirty three six would you pick and he's like steelers it makes no sense that's funny though wasn't something else i had to say shit i forget there's one other story oh i know what it was that is in isn't a big deal by texting you about this yesterday did you believe this tweet the tweet about the woman who said that she was oh my somebody was there for a loaf of bread i you know it's it's tough to tell there could be other there could be other factors like they stole brad and with a cop or something yeah no that story no woman who's a prosecutor or something i think right or not the public prosecutor she's a celebrity public defenders on survivors okay okay she said she's exhausted she got home from twelve hour shift and she saw a man you look at our accounts all crazy like that you saw man prosecuted for just stealing a loaf of bread that's it he was gonna i spent thirty days in rikers island lad yeah yeah read to save his family like is this really true and of course people on twitter where like you're you're unbelievable the other half were like this is fucking clearly bullshit thirty days in jail because you went into like stop and shop and stole wonder bread happened so if you're going to stop and shop today right <hes> you steal loaf of wonder bread or whatever and they catch you what do they do i think the nineteen year old sees you pretend they didn't go back played out like it's like some dick like some forty or whoever they are fucking like you get arrested you'll you'll i don't never be able to enter the store again it'd be something like that so there's a lot of it depends on who the cop is that shows up if they even call the cops right there's so much room for discretion i think most cops would probably be like kyi radio midnight with sandwich or something i mean thirty days in records is that seem anyway i offense shoplifting i don't think that thirty days in the hole all the sentence no i wouldn't think so i don't know anyway getting that weinstein's book that's coming out tomorrow to documentary i've seen it was not bad it was like you could shoot holes in it <hes> it didn't it didn't really nail your buddy winds into the florida didn't tell you what you didn't already know right yet you're looking more the other other side of the story about the good things fiction reservoir dogs out tarantino like for you when i say to you we'll do word association real quick before we go okay i'll give you some names i just want to hear what you through comes right to your mind kevin spacey american beauty harvey weinstein pulp fiction bill cosby hilarious charlie rose great interview matt lauer same interesting strange move no <hes> no other opinions on those what's what's the name fort where there's no apology necessary who's going to promote shot shaw sponsor kmart a tough time headline we certainly could find a high-powered defense attorney lisa bloom sponsor malcolm could sponsor answer EPSN on his win for that we're looking at the studio up and smell good good and you're afraid i mean anybody any random celebrities sure mike tariq OB goodwin for football season would be good darren sharper you could get all season gets it's max who's expert jesus mike tyson your molin chore buffoon by tyson's like cuddly now like again he's he doesn't really matter rape somebody with the jail for but that doesn't matter well not to play how high was isn't there some discrepancies there what do you mean about the case oh good for free to feel free to weigh in and slander raped uh-huh weird i mean joke around okinawa let's see but this is weird he he's very critical of certain subjects very strange a certain pack brings brings intense skepticism one that's that it's going to go where no idea it's the guy was like i don't know what the legal kiss only supreme court justices there are but he's running away in a legal case there's no a lot of these epstein oh yeah hillary clinton and killed him we personally there's no believe that district you believe the cleanse kill them sure you're actually better now i think there's a good chance as i always ask this how do the work okay that's good hillary clinton took some garrote wire rice slipped down over his fucking she knew somebody who knew somebody was the video uh-huh camera happened to be out in the security guards fell asleep at the exact i agree but now you're saying the hillary clinton murdered no i'm saying i don't know i just seems all seems a little fishy that's not the craziest he'll is open to ideas people have crazier hillary clinton theories my old buddy gary tanguay we're doing a show take take out of nowhere just conversation i hear about her a lot is shut it off but you take you off the plane grab two or three military bing boom bang swinger action and like she would have sex with four military guys at the same time she's like seventy years old the plane like libya like what are you talking i heard you hear it i audra draper our career mccoy talking about tanglewood come in here he's the greatest i would love to have it's possible not likely tang wish theory is that if he comes in here he's an old guy TV with arabia with if he comes in in here like this thing is i'm just come in here and hit the post gave us if you're going to do more than you try and get me in trouble that's ridiculous and he's doing TV doesn't want any trouble so it'd be fund come on fun for us but he doesn't want to be used as i get and i guess i don't know i think jerry we'll be on before tanguay all right i think jerry obiang goodness will you you'll be here for that or not allowed comes as get the same cases kelleher matzec making me we read papers do the farm to dc trying to fuck me over i block them on twitter that's showed him my fried cam loves you she said you're great anything else we hit three hours to these steve granola we've done it all now we're not quite three hours also a lot of the editing stuff left to come out you've ed kelleher thanks even possible able you wanna clip they're not really from today i don't think so i don't think there is i mean clean up clean up the entrance the grand entrance and the grand and i think if you play it backwards there's some anti-american stuff that we got scream each other out there i could hear you got pretty aggressive what i just think he's an enact clearly and he's trying to beat me into fighting with him and i just don't like him that's just staying here is better chance he might have left the smart with him probably not into the car keller OB the takeaway from today right i guess people

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Ravenscourt: Chapter Two: Death's Door

Ravenscourt

07:03 min | 4 months ago

Ravenscourt: Chapter Two: Death's Door

"Epic Productions Presents Ravens Course an original limited series podcast created by David. Horgan chapter to death store even lives in the walls of Raven scored. The building still stands like a rotten tooth on the smiling rise and looking over our beloved city. There is a reason. The State and Church refute ownership reason. Nothing grows there an reason? Why no one goes there when it's dark today. The treatment center is run by ineffectual. Bureaucrats under the title of Orsi Ward at the city. Hospital this acronym is said to stand for recovery center but only because those who remember Ravens Court can't bear to speak its name. We also can't forgive ourselves enough to forget it. I started smoking again. Like you suggested. I don't remember telling you to do that. You said I should socialize with other patients. All they do is smoke smoke and wait if I can't stick anything else in my mouth as well put a cigarette in their. Oh sorry I'm glad to see. Your sense of humor is returning blue as it is into weird. The things we ascribe. Callers to raiders anger. Sadness is blue and orange is the color of madness so swoop some painter. Can I ask you a question I saw we established boundaries? It's not personal. Just general okay then walks color. The Wall in the corridors white cream cream. I think strange. Isn't it if you try and remember details about this place? The specifics just slip away. Like it doesn't want you to remember I've taken so many wrong turns here trying to avoid that girl in radio or started walking. Someone then forgot where I was going and why it was going there. I told it was the pills but maybe something else using someone or something is taking your memories would be crazy. The walls where light green eroded in my notes later that day the strange thing is. I have a picture of my colleagues and me on my first day at Ravens. Court the walls of the corridors of cream in that photo but the thing is I don't ever remember seeing. The painting crew drew my whole time there. Whether ever being a smell of fresh paid come to think of it in a place. I worked in for over six years. I can't remember what it smells like at all. I want to ask you what you said at the end of our last session about Bota you. He wouldn't let you sleep. I was confused when I first got here. I was falling apart. But the pills are helping your helping me Doctor. I'm glad you're feeling more optimistic about your treatment. You were very upset. The people here aren't sick. We just think too much than our brains get overloaded with feelings. That's what Alex says Rusada. Ix He's my smoking but he he's real. He's got black hair with bits of grey and he wears the greenhouse coast. It's always walking circles the garden. I told him that he'd wear the ground down. So much. End Up in China. He is real seen him. He's under Dr. I believe he's a bit older than you know. Who's got the Blue Mind? Don't worry we just smoke. I'M NOT ALEX's type if you know what I mean I see he's gay. I understand it's apparent that you don't have Alex. I think you'd like him boat. It doesn't make him an old Buddha. Nothing you need to be honest with me. Who is Buddha? He said if I told anyone he'd hurt Alex. I think he's afraid of you a promise. Nothing bad is going to happen to you or to necks. I didn't know that that was a promise. I wouldn't be able to keep as I said. I have received a letter from what I believed to be a delusional voice. In the head of a former patient it refers to itself as Boda name a child but give to an imaginary friend or the letter reads as follows. Dear Mr Doctor. It's been awhile since I last saw you but your beard is long and grey. I miss my friends. Won't you come out and play a hope? You won't leave me to here. Are some jokes to make you stay. Doctor Doctor. What happened to the man who fell into the circular saw and how the whole left side of his body cut away. He's all right now. Doctor doctor and worried about my breathing soon. Put a stop to that doctor. Dr A dead store. Don't worry we'll soon pull you to your friend. Boca Ravens course. Stars Mark Dalton and Irene Kelleher produced an edited by epic productions distributed by Cornucopia Radio.

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NPR News: 01-17-2020 10AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 7 months ago

NPR News: 01-17-2020 10AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. Korva Coleman Senate lawmakers have been sworn in by chief justice. John Roberts ahead of president trump's impeachment trial trial NPR's Scott Neuman says opening statements will get underway next week. The biggest question that needs to be resolved whether to call witnesses many conservatives opposed opposed that but some more moderate Republicans. Such as Maine's Susan Collins say they might favorite. NPR's Scott Neuman reporting president. Trump is accused of abusing power by pressuring Ukraine's President to announce an investigation into Joe Biden. And his son and for holding. US military aid to Ukraine. The President says he didn't do anything wrong on Thursday. The Government Accountability Office found the president. Did break the law by suspending the aid for fifty five days the White House rejects the GAO report the FBI is investigating a trump donor from Connecticut. This is in connection with the president and Ukraine Crane. NPR's Bobby Allen reports on Robert hinde hides named grabbed headlines this week when House Democrats released a new batch of documents showing text messages between him. Him and love Parnasse the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani in the exchanges. Hide who used to be in the Marines claim to have been doing surveillance on former former. US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich before trump abruptly recalled her from her post. Hide is a bombastic and pretty obscure Republican candidate for Congress even here in Connecticut. His name is widely unknown. His state's own party asked him not to run for office. After he posted some offensive and misogynistic tweets tweets now. The FBI is boring into his background Bobby Allen NPR News Simsbury Connecticut in Syria. Russia and the Syrian regime. Continue you. They're bombing campaign on. The rebel held area of at least twenty. One civilians were killed on Wednesday. That's according to the White Helmets Rescue Group Group. NPR's Lum I'll Arjan has more activists. Tell impede that the Syrian regime and its allies have dropped over one hundred fifty bombs over it live in a single day. At least two children were among those who were killed. Rescue workers say they're still pulling bodies out from under the rubble and the death. Toll could rise a new ceasefire agreements midst between Russia and Turkey which supports opposing sides in Syria. Civil war began on Sunday but violence has continued the UN says three hundred and fifty thousand. Some people have moved from it lip to areas near the Turkish border. Since December first trying to escape the bombing activists telling pr those civilians are hungry and and sleeping on the streets lemon NPR news on Wall Street. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is up more than fifty three points at twenty nine thousand three hundred fifty one. One the Nasdaq is up. Nearly Twenty one points at ninety three hundred. Seventy eight the S. and P.. Five hundred is up six this is NPR. President trump has declared a major disaster area in Puerto Rico after the island has experienced hundreds of earthquakes. This comes as the federal government separately released leased more than eight billion dollars in aid. That's supposed to be for people hurt during devastating hurricanes that hammered Puerto Rico more than two years ago the former achieve of Puerto Rico's public school system has been indicted on federal corruption charges for the second time in six months. NPR's Anya cabinets reports. Julia Keller is now charged with bribery wire fraud and conspiracy. Julia Kelleher served as Puerto Rico Secretary of Education from Twenty Sixteen to Twenty nineteen eighteen after Hurricane Maria she oversaw the closure of hundreds of public schools and pushed for charter schools and voucher programs. Now she could face decades in prison. According to a federal indictment accusing her of nine counts of fraud and bribery. The includes living in a luxury apartment for several months for just one dollar the FBI also indicted Kelleher July of last year alleging a conspiracy to misdirect federal education funds to unqualified contractors with political connections on Aena Cabinets. NPR News Gun rights. Groups are asking the Virginia Supreme Court to Block Governor. Ralph northerns temporary ban on firearms next Monday at the Virginia. State Capitol in Richmond Richmond gun rights advocates are holding a rally there nor them says the state has received several credible threats of violence that includes reports of potential militia attacks ax gun rights groups. Say temporary ban will make people less safe. I'm Korva Coleman N._P._R.. News in Washington.

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1-800-Flowers Adds Venmo, Augmented Reality in Time for Valentines Day

Business Wars Daily

05:55 min | 6 months ago

1-800-Flowers Adds Venmo, Augmented Reality in Time for Valentines Day

"This episode of Business Wars Daily is sponsored by wealth front with well front. You can save plan invest and get financial advice all in one place and they make your money work harder for you learn more at well. Front DOT com slash. Vw daily from one. I'm David Brown. And this is business wars daily on this Thursday February thirteenth. Okay everyone here's my public service announcement. Tomorrow is Valentine's Day. Now you've got no excuse. I'm positive some of you forgot and some of you knew but aren't the best planners right we'll thankfully the multibillion dollar Valentine's Day industry that is flowers chocolate restaurants cards and so forth understand your inability to manage your time and gears up for a flurry of activity and money. It's one reason why one eight hundred flowers chose last week to announce it. It's added peer to peer Payments Service. Ben Mo is a checkout choice when you choose those tulips at the last minute for those of us with bad memories. It's not really about half fresh. The roses are it's all about how fast and how easily we can get them sent to where we need them right whale. It's also about attracting millennials who at least a few years ago. Were showing a distinct disinterest in sending flowers at more than a billion dollars in annual revenues. One eight hundred flowers is one of the biggest floral companies in the country. A member of a group that Katy Kelleher writing in the observer called quote the corporate behemoths that group includes giants like pro flowers and F- td and while one eight hundred flowers is doing. Just fine. Thank you. The industry does need younger buyers to pony up and send mom more flowers and send them to their lovers too by the way even though the National Retail Federation says. We're spending more overall valentines gifts this year fewer of US actually celebrate the holiday than we used to especially younger. People with folks getting married later. Twenty and thirty. Somethings may not be paired up. There are more inclined to splurge on themselves or hang out with groups of friends and buried in school loan debt and high rents. Well many can't afford seventy bucks to send a small bouquet across the country. So what is a floral behemoth to do? That's right tuneup. Not The flowers. But how the flowers look on a smartphone so along with enabling then mope payments the one eight hundred flowers folks also have added an augmented reality feature to its site. Not only can you view flower arrangements in three d you can view them as if they are in your apartment or on your desk at work pretty cool. The multibillion dollar floral industry is competitive. There are some sixty thousand independent floral businesses out there fighting with the behemoths for your business. By the way experts. Say local florists can be a great deal. You may get fresher flowers by choosing them over. Say One eight hundred flowers are at td. One eight hundred flowers is also fighting to other dangerous rivals. You can get flowers delivered through Amazon without any delivery fees if you're a member of Amazon prime and finally there's this e-commerce flower companies designed from the ground up to appeal to millennials one of the most notable. A company called the bucs which specializes in eco-friendly so-called farm. Fresh flowers the bucs pays a ton of attention to the social site. That you'd think every flourish would love instagram. The bucs has one hundred fifty six thousand instagram followers. And it's rich photos are mesmerizing. That wapping following dwarfs one eight hundred flowers. Twenty four thousand fans prompting the observers. Kelleher to ask can instagram save the flower industry. Well maybe but perhaps rather than trying in vain to catch up to the bucs on Instagram. Adding augmented reality to its mobile apposite shooter. 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Airbnb Hosts Built Mini-Empires. Now They're Crumbling.

The Journal.

17:45 min | 3 months ago

Airbnb Hosts Built Mini-Empires. Now They're Crumbling.

"For the past decade airbnb explosive growth made it a Silicon Valley Unicorn and a lot of that growth was fueled by the hosts. Who rented out properties on its platform. Our colleague trip medical has been talking to airbnb their experience. These past few years there was one phrase it came out of so many conversations and now as kind of the magic of airbnb the magical. Lor of some of the money that you can make on AIRBNB. One host described the feeling of excitement. She got every time. Her phone dinged with a new booking. It was the sound of magical money. The money would just continue to come in from airbnb no matter what since the corona virus pandemic that magic money has disappeared AIRBNB. The company says it expects revenue to fall by more than half this year hosts are on the frontlines of this right. People built businesses and many of them have expenses that they were using this airbnb income to cover and now vanished overnight Today on the show. How the global pandemic has left airbnb hosts high dry and expose fundamental cracks in the sharing economy. Welcome to the Journal. Our show about money business and power. I'm Caitlyn Baen. It's Thursday may seven our colleague pre-take around covers the sharing economy. And she says that when AIRBNB was founded. Back in. Two thousand eight reals looked way different from the fancy new apartments and beautifully renovated homes. That you see on the site today when Airbnb started out the concept was very simple. It was renting out an air mattress in your home. In fact they made it mandate fee. You rent out an air mattress so back in the day. You couldn't really rent out your bedroom or an entire home. The concept was someone comes. Sleeps on your mattress. You get them breakfast the next day. And then they're on their way. So the air of AIRBNB is for air. Mattress comes from the Air Mattress. Absolutely back then. The company was called air bed and breakfast for this new platform to work. It needed lots of people around the country to open up their homes and blow up their air mattresses for strangers and around that time. There were a lot of people ready to do that. This was in the aftermath of the two thousand eight financial crisis. This was a time when a lot of people had lost their jobs. The economy wasn't doing so great. People were looking for secondary income and when people bought in and when they saw this was steady income and this was passive income. People bought into that promise. Not only was the steady income. It was a way for people to make money on their own terms. Right AIRBNB started out. It positioned itself as giving outsized power to host stay said. Hey you're your own boss. Because these hosts weren't employees of AIRBNB. They could set their own hours. They chose who got to stay on their property not the company and they set their own house rules and pick their own cancellation policy flexible. Moderate or strict that arrangement appealed to a lot of people over the years. More and more HO- signed up for AIRBNB and AIRBNB started letting those hosts rent out way. More than just an air mattress. Over the years you would see a shift in listings. They went from. Hey renting out my spare one bedroom to now. Advertising standalone apartments standalone properties at its peak. There were more than seven million rental listings on AIRBNB and AIRBNB owned. None of them. Airbnb in a sense is a property manager with that. Any of the property risk the way that hotels do run their own properties. If anything goes wrong they are ultimately responsible and liable for that property. Airbnb can easily wash their hands off and say hey the just a tech platform. It's not our responsibility if something went wrong one person who started renting out properties on airbnb is Jen Kelleher hazlet. Who Lives in Clawson Michigan? Are you from Michigan? Originally from Michigan Northeast Detroit area. I used to live in Royal Oak. Okay that's one of my interviewees. Jen Works as a pharmacist at a hospital just outside of Detroit and her husband is an elementary school art teacher before they started renting on Airbnb. Jen says they were just planning on being normal landlords so we decided to buy a house as an investment property with an old house built in Nineteen. O eight originally. And it's really cute. How much was it? And how much was your mortgage? The House is two hundred and forty thousand dollars in. The mortgage was one hundred and eighty. We were originally going to make it a regular long term rental and get regular tenants and it's a duplex so there's two unit there but then one day one of Jen's neighbors recommended that she consider renting the house on airbnb instead so. Jen looked into it and decided it could be a good option and what was the appeal like. Why did you and your husband decide to do airbnb instead of a long term rental. Yeah there's a bunch of repealing factors to it obviously if you do get booked pretty consistently you can make more money but one of the biggest factors is that we're in there all the time so we have more control over what's going on in our investment and we travel. We Rent Airbnb all the time. We really liked the service so you know we kind of got excited about providing the service JEN and her husband borrowed thousands of dollars on top of their mortgage to renovate and furnish the house for short term rentals. They weren't sure how many people would be interested in renting a place in suburban Detroit but in the fall of two thousand eighteen. They took the leap and opened the duplex for rent on AIRBNB. Can you describe the first few weeks as an AIRBNB host? How did it go? It went well since we listed. I started getting bookings like immediately. So people would come for events and concerts. Visiting family weddings funerals graduations. Exciting to see people book and then you know when they make comments on your pictures. This place looks great in the locations. Awesome and all kinds of yet is it went so well with the first house the Jenin her husband borrowed more money and bought another house to put on Airbnb together. The two houses made them thousands of dollars a month. Some of that went to the loan payments but a lot of it went into their pockets so much. The Jen was thinking about quitting her job at the hospital. Over the years a lot of hosts have essentially done what Jen did and some have taken it even further. Here's trip. Some people started with one home then they added a second then they added a third and as we did research we found that some of these hosts have anywhere from two to more than twenty four properties. It just became a way for people to not just pad their income Ashley. It became their primary income for some people trip talked to a family. In Atlanta the land rooms who managed a lot of properties on airbnb started with a handful of apartments and eventually grew to where they were leasing about eighteen apartments. They owned an apartment and then they've managed apartment rentals for another twenty plus people who were also listening on Airbnb to manage these properties. They needed help. They built now the type of staffing support. That you would expect if you're a property manager right. They had maintenance workers and others help decorate these places. Hang the chandeliers. Then they'd photograph it listed. They'd have cleaners. Come in clean the place for the next person had landscapers at some of these properties. So really they build kind of this system that was dependent on a lot of local jobs in Atlanta. There were a lot of costs. The land rooms were on the hook for payroll maintenance furnishings. And because they were renting most of these properties they had to make their rent payments to but when times were good there airbnb business covered those expenses and turned a sizeable profit. This was a healthy and robust business. They were grossing about one point. Five million dollars a year off there AIRBNB business. It's a lot of money. I mean it was a really good business and then all of a sudden that good business vanished. That's after the break. I'm Josh Muccio. Host of the pitch normally on show entrepreneurs pitch investors for funding. But now nothing is normal. It is the worst timing ever. The current virus pandemic kit and everything got canceled and founders are coming to us with a lot of tough questions right now. Like what can I do? When sales have completely dried up. Do I picked it or stay. The course and our VC's investing in startups these days. Right now we're tackling those issues of head on on each new episode of the pitch from Gimblett. Listen for free on spotify. And welcome Benjamin Moore. As host built there AIRBNB businesses. Many of them took on debt to do it mortgages to buy new properties or loans to pay for furnishings. As long as the bookings kept coming many hosts could easily make those payments but when the corona virus brought travel to a halt worldwide bookings on airbnb dried up and hosts were still on the hook for all their debt. Hosts Jen in Michigan her bookings have slowed to a trickle. It's been really hard like we haven't really been able to pay the mortgage we have mortgages with chase and they've started the program for the furring payment so we signed up for that in March. I don't know where that's GONNA leave us like after the deferment times over. What do we do with what we over the last three or four months that they're letting US defer so we're kind of in limbo with them at the moment and in the early days of the pandemic AIRBNB. The company made a choice that made the financial pain for some hosts even worse. A lot of AIRBNB. Guests had reservations that they'd made before the pandemic and they wanted to know. When are we going to get our money back for years? Airbnb headlight hosts make that decision. Host could pick their own cancellation policies but in a pandemic that did not go over well with guests. Here's Preda so at first you had outrage from guests in the US in Europe. Who said Hey. Our airline has cancelled and is giving us a full refund. And here you have AIRBNB. That's not refunding are stay under pressure. Airbnb pulled rank on. Its host's AIRBNB said okay. You know what it doesn't matter. If a host has set their cancellation policy to not refund you we are going to give full refunds to guests as soon as they did that the host turned against them and they said. How can you just override our policies that we've set with the guests for some hosts it felt like airbnb was going back on? Its promise that hosts set the rules. The you control your business and for hosts who set strict cancellation policies. It meant they might be out a lot of money. In a case where you have a strict cancellation policy. And if I'm a guest I cancel. The host still gets fifty percent of that money. So a Lotta hosted. We spoke to said you know we had a conduit for at least fifty percent coming in and now we have nothing. And what does AIRBNB say about that? If you ask AIRBNB AIRBNB will say but we always had a policy where we had the final say and in a situation like a pandemic we had to take matters into our own hands and do what we felt was right by guests. Airbnb pointed out that hosts had agreed to an extenuating circumstances policy and a pandemic is an extenuating circumstance but after facing backlash from hosts AIRBNB announced a set of measures to help them out. The company. Promised it would send millions of dollars to host to help with mortgage payments and it set up a program where it gave hosts some of the money. Back from those cancelled bookings. Jen says she got some of that money. How it ended up being a really small amount and it was only like forty bucks but or two dollars. Yeah I but I lost like thousands and thousands and thousands in bookings JEN is still scrambling to figure out how she might make money off her properties. She has rented out one property to a nurse. Who's in town to help with the corona virus efforts? And she's had a few other bookings here and there. I have one place rented out to a guy whose wife won't let him come back into their house because he goes out and interact with society. Like you know. Oh why care business scores right thus but these are really really discounted rates to what we would normally got. Jen Isn't the only Ho struggling to stay afloat. Some host are getting so desperate that they're trying to sell their properties we have real estate brokers telling us. Hey we have airbnb hosts calling US seeing. I'm a month. Oh Two away from foreclosure. What is it gonNA take to get my property saw now and suddenly you now have property prices dropping? Because they're desperate to sell their properties. Airbnb has secured two billion dollars in loans to help it whether the pandemic but as its hosts start considering other options the future of the company and the economy had helped create appear unstable all industries have in some way or another been hit by the pandemic was the sharing economy particularly vulnerable. The sharing economy was vulnerable in the sense that it had the allure of big corporate names. The everybody has google lift AIRBNB and historically we always thought of big companies as kind of helping take care of the people who work for them but the GIG economy is predicated on this. Is Your Job. You get to choose your hours. You don't really work for anybody. And so while everybody signed up for that that means that in the midst of pandemic. There's no kind of corporate support if you will but in the interviews with hosts that you talked with people talked about the magical money and don't we all kind of know that magical money is dangerous like aren't these hosts. Didn't they sort of? They made their own bed here. Yeah and I think people recognize that. Some of these hosts overextended themselves. They put themselves in a risky situation in terms of assuming some debt and depending on Airbnb but then also you can look at the somewhat sympathetically. Right I mean. If AIRBNB didn't exist maybe fewer people would be participating and be just typical property owners as opposed to this kind of like mushrooming phenomenon around AIRBNB that we've seen and after this crisis. That's what Jen and her husband might end up being normal landlords. They've started talking about turning some of their airbnb. Units until long term rentals. But as they wait for things to clear up. Jen says she won't be quitting her job at the hospital anytime soon. That's all for today. Thursday may seventh. The Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. If you like our show follow us on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We come out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening see tomorrow.

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Ravenscourt: Chapter One: A Fragile Layer of Sanity

Ravenscourt

09:07 min | 4 months ago

Ravenscourt: Chapter One: A Fragile Layer of Sanity

"Epic Productions Presents Ravens Course an original limited series podcast created by David. Horgan chapter one a fraudulent layer of sanity. My name is Dr Mark Kennedy. I was ahead. Psychiatric consultants at the Ravens scored Mental Health Facility from nine hundred ninety three to two thousand and one the whole truth of what happened. There can never be known the dead. Keep their secrets. That is their privilege. Living are left looking for answers that bird. You could be forgiven for thinking that the trees around Ravens court are there to hide. Its modesty the privacy given to vulnerable patients and selfless staff but a darker reading is mother. Nature herself is trying to swallow this evil building from few trying to protect her naive inhabitants. We apparent covers. Their child's is disturbing images appear on the television. The horrors of my former place of employment earned secured behind a television screen. They're only held back from reality by a fragile layer of sanity a barrier which at knows away at from its own side. All of this begins with a young woman. Patient X I've redacted her name out of respect for the family I will refer to her as Alicia. It was September one thousand nine hundred nine. When I began recording our sessions it was a leashes second time under my care and unfortunately last September third mighty ninety nine. It's three minutes past two. So how have you been sleeping not bad but I had strangest dream? Last night I dreamt that I lived in a mirror and I only be seen other people looked at me. I scream and scream but known could hear me. I had to wait until they looked sounds very fitted what he said WHO. Nothing I misspoke. It's all these pills have me on scrambling my brain making words solid. Do you think we could reduce my medication. Even just lowered as Let's give it time to work. I we can discuss it next week. Why do we focus on this week today? How are you feeling that dream make you feel it made me feel it made me feel really horny? Is there any prescription? You can give me for that. Dr. Having a healthy sex life is an actual part of Nautilus food. But not here. This is a hospital a place for people to get better patient. Forbidden to engage in sexual activity with each other. If a male patient is making sexual advances you should notify member staff immediately. Pick as for me. You are under my care. Which is the responsibility. I take very seriously I would never take advantage of that. Trust by exploiting you Qisas hose. Only joke I think it's very funny. Look props he will be more comfortable under the care of this female consulted. Everyone has a pretty full patient list. But I'm sure we can arrange something please the other doctors here booking bitches please. I am sorry. Don't get rid of a matter of getting rid of you. Just want to make sure that you get the best care possible. And what's the point? You're just gonNA WATCH ME Open. Send me on my way. But I'm I'm just going to fall apart again and lend up in this creepy fucking hospital over and over again. I know it seems like that but the cycle can be broken. We dispose tell your current mood can affect your memory and your outlook on the future in your intake interview. You mentioned being upset about your brother. How do you feel about that now? I still miss him. You hear him no to hear any voice. That's why I stopped believing in God. God speak to you. I used to think keep it but God would have kept his promise. The voice didn't walk to say he said well I asked is if I could make a deal. I'll stop watching TV for a year. If he would save my brother. I kept my promise. You don't believe in God because he broke a promise. No I don't believe in God because God couldn't exist in the world with voices and voices that lie face isn't my area. Maybe you could talk to the chaplain about this. If you think it would help. He has his hands full with all the crazies in here. What does it say about faith if there are so many religious people in here? It means they needed. I WanNa talk about my brother anymore. I'm tired I before but what I haven't been sleeping at all. He won't let me who wasn't a dream of being trapped in America. He showed it to me. It's not like the voices he is re you. You have to believe me who Boda. His name is Buddha. He lives in the shadow behind the mirror. Wouldn't let me tell you. What does he say he said this? He said he likes it here and he wants to stay. I see you believe me you believe me. Don't do I believe that you believe it didn't believe her and lives could have been saved if I had. We tell ourselves that. We don't indulge the patient psychosis because it enables them it feeds into their delusion for the truth is that we are afraid to lean in because we looked too hard. We might see what they see. There was a certain comfort and madness because reality can be too much to bear the truth. I now have to face. Is that because of my actions or inactions back then. A patient went missing. Who still hasn't been found lives were ruined when I look for how they told me to go. I couldn't but I did keep quiet onto now. Why am I telling him I store? Why am I telling unleashes story? Because two days ago a gutter letter letter addressed from Boda Ravens court stars Mark Dalton and Irene Kelleher written and directed by David Morgan produced and edited by epic productions distributed by Cornucopia Radio.

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NPR News: 01-17-2020 1PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 7 months ago

NPR News: 01-17-2020 1PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Singh. The White House's enlisting more legal star power in president trump's impeachment trial they include former independent counsel Ken Starr who led the Whitewater investigation into former president. Bill Clinton former Florida torney General Pam. Bondi is on the team and former former Harvard University law. Professor Alan Dershowitz will be called to present his views at trial. The president stands accused of abuse of power and obstruction of congress in his dealings with Ukraine. A total of six suspected members of a neo-nazi group were now in federal custody. After three more men were picked up this week. This time in Georgia we have this update from. NPR's Hon allom. The Rome News Tribune a newspaper in North Georgia reports. That three local men were arrested in connection with a conspiracy to commit murder hand participation in a criminal gang arrest warrants obtained by the paper. Tie them into the base. It's a secret of white. Supremacist group known for advocating violence in hopes hopes of triggering a race war. There were no other details about the alleged plot or specific charges. The paper said the court documents were still under seal. The arrest occurred Wednesday the day before the FBI announced charges against three other men two Americans and a Canadian law enforcement official told PR those men had discussed attending a pro-gun rally rally in Virginia. That's becoming a magnet for some extremist factions Hanau lamb. NPR News in his first Friday prayer sermon in eight years. Iran's on Supreme Leader says Germany France and Britain our enemies that cannot be trusted. NPR's Peter Kenyon reports on the latest rebukes after Iran violated the terms terms of two thousand fifteen nuclear pact. The three European signatories to the deal invoked. It's dispute resolution mechanism in the wake of a series of violations of the deal by Iran Tehran onset violations were in response to President. Trump's move to pull the US out of the deal and returned to sanctioning Iran. I told Ali also said the. US had failed in its efforts efforts to pressure Iran and divide it from its neighbour Iraq. NPR's Peter Kenyon reporting warmer than usual weather in December gave a boost to homebuilders in the US but depressed oppressed demand for heating. NPR's Scott horsely reports housing starts surged last month while the utility business suffer. Housing starts jumped nearly seventeen percent in December led by a big increase Greece in apartment. Construction builders started work almost thirty percent more multifamily units the fastest pace in thirty three years construction of new single family homes. Holmes also increased by more than eleven percent. The housing industry has gotten a lift from low interest rates as well as higher than normal temperatures but the warm weather in December number put a dent in utilities business as furnaces didn't have to work so hard the drop in utility man dragged down overall industrial production last month offsetting modest gains gains in manufacturing and mining industrial production in December was down one percent from a year ago Scott horsely. NPR News Washington this is NPR. China's economic growth in two thousand nineteen was the slowest in decades came in at a growth of six point. One percent within the government's target the the former chief of Puerto Rico's public schools has been indicted on federal corruption charges for the second time in six months. NPR's five minutes report. Julia Kelleher is now charged with bribery. Wire fraud and conspiracy Julia. Kelleher served his Puerto Rico Secretary of Education From Two Thousand Sixteen to Twenty nineteen after hurricane. Maria she oversaw the closure of hundreds of public schools and pushed for charter schools and voucher programs now she could face decades in prison. According to a federal indictment accusing using her nine counts of fraud and bribery. This includes living in a luxury apartment for several months for just one dollar the FBI also indicted Kelleher and July live last year. Alleging a conspiracy to misdirect federal education funds to unqualified contractors with political connections on E. Cabinets. NPR News Recording Academy CEO. Debra do in is defending herself against misconduct allegations less than two weeks before the grammys dougans attorney issued a statement saying what what has been reported is not the full story. She was just six months into the job when she was placed on administrative leave after a senior member of the organization alleged alleged misconduct. US stocks trading higher with the Dow Jones industrial average up. twenty-nine points since the open. Twenty Nine Thousand Three Hundred Twenty six the MP's M._p.'s. Risen seven points. It's at thirty three. Twenty three Nasdaq is up. Five points at ninety three sixty two. I'm Lakshmi Singh N._p._R. News.

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Ravenscourt: Chapter Four: Physician Heal Thyself

Ravenscourt

09:21 min | 4 months ago

Ravenscourt: Chapter Four: Physician Heal Thyself

"Epic Productions Presents Ravens Course an original limited series podcast created by David. Horgan chapter four physician. Heal thyself. I'm embarrassed by other breath from the effort of climbing in the back window. I caught my leg slightly to more deep scratch than anything. But it would be a terrible irony after all of my mental spiritual battles with this place. It took me out with tetanus metallic taste in the air almost feels like getting drunk. I think it's just adrenaline. Hope it is. I've been thinking of going back to rain scores for so long. I hadn't really planned it all didn't bring any twos with may just to this recorder would make terrible cat. Burglar passed piece of graffiti on my way in that read about an all hope he who enter abandon stocks rock guess people are drawn to the darkness in the world and it seems the opposite is true to. I'm walking down. The corridor at the back of the kitchen is this is a horror movie would probably be rats. Scurrying around the cat would jump out at me at some stage but birds. Don't even fly overhead here. I've seen nothing living since crossing the treasury. The battery is on. My flashlight would probably run out. But I- intentionally came here early in the morning and far too old to be afraid of the dark. This place. I'm not sure what I was expecting that. The building has not aged as naturally as one would expect. I guess on natural things are resilient to organic decay at the same time as whilst over it does not what I remember and it is far from what I had been in my mind it does. The appearance of a dementia patient was still trapped in the amber of the glory days but there is a glimmer of recognition in its is in my recovery. I practiced mindfulness. Unfortunately it was not popular at the time I've seen patients. I truly believe it would have been immeasurably helpful to them. Some of them the best description. I've heard of it is that your thoughts are like water flow and the goal is to find a place behind the waterfall. We are not are so of course. This does remind me of Elisa's assertion that Boda existed in the shadow behind the Mirror. A kind of dark. Mindfulness a malevolent consciousness that exists beyond the perceptions of reality. Maybe there is more to this world than what is reflected back to us. It seems like the Sun is setting definitely getting darker. That's impossible time is couldn't have been here all day. Just got not just leave and come back another day but I fixed my coverage to this. I think I could stomach coming back here another day. In fact I don't know how many more days my stomach will allow me to have a waiting to hear back on some tests. The doctor is not optimistic. Was never a fan of medical doctors. Socially or professionally. I find them code. The old me would have question if this obsession with. Raven scored was a distraction from the microscopic battle. Going on inside me when I have little or no control over but assist on my colon. Didn't cause a patient to go missing twenty years ago it didn't drive Alicia craziness. Early didn't write me a fucking letter. Cheeses really have that warm white wine feeling in my stomach. My head is going this girl in a red tracer the end of the corridor to get her out. I'm standing outside the door of my office. I okay where's your mom? She's looking out the window giving me the silent treatment their tattoos all over her face. Who Do this to child? Do you want to come with me? I'll take you home. She shaking. Who did that to your face. She's just staring at me. I swear every time I look away. The tattoos seem to shift on her face. I'm a doctor. It's okay you can trust him. I'm not going to hurt you. I think I'm more afraid than you are. You are you alone. She shaking you border. She shaking her head shapes on our face shift signed to moving but I can hear words titled Rewards. She's holding her hand the voices they've it'll tell me everything. I've I go with her secrets. The truth answers to get out of here if I stay on. Never leave the amount of this place in open up and swallow me want to go home now. I want to go get away with the strangest dream. Last night I dreamt that I lived in a mirror. I could only be seen when other people looked at me. I scream and scream. What new could hear me? I had to waste until they looked ravens. Stars Mark Dalton and Irene. Kelleher produced an edited epic productions distributed by Cornucopia Radio.

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Episode 354: Skinwalker Ranch Part III - The Investigation

Last Podcast on the Left

1:37:08 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 354: Skinwalker Ranch Part III - The Investigation

"Everybody holding here, I'm Jake, and we're here to tell you about the wizard and the bruiser podcast pike, winch, take any subject in culture. And in fandom. We talk about comic books and movies on new may we explain just what all the fuss is about. And this isn't just white guys. Talk about the stuff they read on the internet this way. It's not just these are deep dives into the hidden histories of all these franchises that you think, you know, the story behind, but you have no idea how deep the hole gets we cover. Spawn. We cover wonder woman we cover dragon ball z. We cover the thing. We're talking about the film, the thin and not the secret that we must never met. So join us for was in the bruiser podcast on L P N. No place to escape to the loss on the left. That's one the cannibalism started. Wouldn't it be amazing to scam? The government for twenty two million dollars two million listeners rate because everyone's talking about rubber Bigalow? He scare the US government. Revel? Is you affoil research like yell? The US government in order to do his frivolous. You Afo research seriously. It's our tax dollars. I would love if more of those tax dollars went to alien research to I wouldn't spend most of my time turning our money into cash into valuable gems. In various locations, like my financial hor cruxes. This is the last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben Kissel with Marcus bugs good afternoon. Good afternoon and then beautiful and sunny, I'm extremely jealous of Henry's Abrazos game. Yeah. Feel in tan. This is the Tanna suppose. This is the Tange. This is the most Tammist tan. Yeah. The Mohand poll is person alive. Henry's brow gate, which means what I'm entirely fuchsia -solutely. I am very burnt today. Because I stood outside of an audition for fifteen minutes in direct. Sunlight, Chris, well, can you read the cue imagine that not only mine not paying the government any money? The government is giving me money to be me its welfare, but the for the very clever. Absolutely. I think that's wonderful. I supported wholeheartedly. Okay. Today. We are concluding our series on. I mean, honestly, this has been a hit. Yeah. This series has been. A mad that it's over. Well, you know, what we'll find another subject for you to chew on. And you're gonna love it. All right. We are onto skin Walker ranch part three. So when we last left the Gorman family the story that brought the skin Walker rant story to the world. Had just been published in the desert news and people had begun showing up at the ranch. It did the exact opposite of what the Gorman family wanted. Which is of course, it did. You just told the whole world what was happening over there. So everyone of these FOX and by these folks, I mean me showing up at the ranch will I mean once you get published in the desert news about the k-, the desert knows it's actually one of the biggest newspapers in Utah out of Salt Lake City. It is one off Vegas newspapers in Utah. You're liable. Chain judgmental Joan today about the Nevada. One of the biggest in Utah. I to UFO investigators came knocking at Tom's door of because Tom didn't like the cut of their Jim for whatever reason he turned him away. Hi, Tammy got an X to flat, south third Takhar. Oh, no, no, sign authors. That's that cannot meet your son. Oh. Oh my goodness. I mean, can you imagine the Cal? What is it a Calva Cade cavalcade cavalcade of people go into his door that would be fascinating. But others. Besides well-wishers. Had also started to arrive. A woman opened up the gates of skin Walker ranch herself and showed up at Tom's homestead unannounced one day incoherent and fully admitting that she was extremely mentally ill. Yeah. Let's start out of that. Doing great today. If you wearing a bathrobe, and I'm not at a spa. I like that though, she's with it. But as she was talking to Tom a nearby tree started violently shaking despite there being not a hint of wind in the air. The woman responded by pointing at the tree in screaming that it was filled with legions of demons and monsters until you what you crazy woman. You ain't. All it's either legions of demons and monsters or those cute. Squirrels from the Geico commercial reread the Geico commercials. I know the one we're the squirrel gets in front of the car and the car crashes, and they high five that's murder. My friends little squirrel really is. But can you imagine Tom doing the same cattleman move on this woman where he grabs her me? Like, you need a stop touching me or on you. His move poor, Tom. So it seemed that Tom needed help more than ever. But little did he know that there was a certain multi-millionaire paranormal enthusiasts named Bob. Bigelow trolling newspapers for hints at the big score. You know, Bobby Bigalow was getting newspapers from all over the world because of his far reach with the budget inns and suites. That's right, Bob, Bigelow made his money at the budget in sweets budget is sweets. I love the budget in sweets because in the elevator. They always have ads like recently, divorced. For you. Oh, yeah. He knows what to do, Tom. Gorman had given Bob exactly what he wanted out of everyone and the paranormal community Bigalow is without a doubt the man who over the years has pumped the most cash into nuts and bolts research, and as always goes this makes him a target for the conspiracy community. It's the UFO community who I love, and we'll defend as much as possible until they become a liability. Is that really true though, did you attempt to go to a UFO comedian? And then slowly walk out feeling was funny, welcoming scenario was in a very dark church. I was watching a man giving other a shoulder. Rub. And there was nobody else in there. This true. Just literally opened the door. I had like a UFO shirt on my NASA hat on. I was ready to be at and it was just like poorly lit weird little church and just two men in the back of it. And the meeting has supposed to start in five minutes. There was nobody there. And I was like let me just. A message. The problem with a UFO community is very similar to one of the parties that we deal with politically in this fucking country of ours. Where even the biggest heroes of the party are vilified destroyed by the entire community for the slightest little things and Robert Bigelow is he was so important, you apologize. And then we chased him out by conspiracy theories by using our own brains against him. Right. Leave Bigalow alone. It's been said that he's everything from a secret mobster to a government Schill to a naked opportunist to frontman for the church of Scientology will honestly, you cannot be a secret mobster, Noah mobster. They're very proud of being a mobster. And that's all that they are. No because they always say the same term a and Noah guy. I do know guy. Our estimation Bob Bigelow, just digs aliens heats raised. I watch him talk. I watch endless hours of him talking this everything I could find and he seems to be genuinely into you. And honestly in this in this country. Is there really anything wrong with being naked opportunist if you have pants on? Eagle. It's only legal. It's what our country is built upon. Tune in. Exactly. And now that we've come out in favour about Bigalow. Now, we're going to get called show. Our now. Now still. We've already been called shows before we've gotten quite a few emails about our twenty three and me sponsorship. View guys. Did it? I'm not the Schill. News emails. You as a true satanist? I don't give a fuck. What my Cologne is doing. Yeah. Put him to hard work. I'll tell you. What Henry could use a little hard worth hands a real soft? Yeah. Well, that's one of the major flaws, and they knew horror movie happy birthday to you. What's the other part of her doing cloned doing in the other dimension? I didn't even know there was a clone or another time travel's involved. I think it's one of those Symbian movies could be. Ashim that you sit on. And then if you're a lady makes you feel really good. Yeah. How was it Symbian movie? I'm saying that's the other woman is herald. Other parallel. One of those documentaries. Well, nothing I think about a movie theaters movie theaters are struggling to get butts in the seats. They're thinking about butts. They gotta think about fronts Scipion shares on dildo seat. Far out, man. So this coming up. We'll skin Walker ranch. Was by no means Bob Douglas first rodeo in nineteen Ninety-four Bigalow. Formed an alliance of three the biggest UFO organizations move on coup, folks and fo-for. Don't make fun. Fo-for? What does for stand for? Organizing reality. It gets the fun for UFO research. Okay. Coup for fo-for. All right. See it was Bigalow. Observations that the biggest problem behind you. If oh research was a lack of funding. Yeah. So Bigalow formed has new organization known as the UFO research coalition and gave millions in funding. He only had one condition work together. All of you fucking hurt. Get together and use my money. I don't know even officially call the Afo research coalition 'cause they're a little programs that he like we're kind of if your full on you apologised just fucking bear with us. We're trying to explain this to many people's humanly possible when it comes down to it. He really did try to unite the world of you afoul Aji insane. Fucking bunch of money y'all go put it where your mouth is. Let's do this actually don't put in your mouth 'cause money's dirty. Full of drugs, but guess what they did Marcus and Kissel. What do they do in the words of George Knapp as he said in the documentary hunt for the skin Walker? They fucked it up. Really did up because Bob Bigelow said like listen, I have a private jet. I have millions of dollars UFO citing happens. You guys can be on this private jet in an hour and a half be out there. You can research all the shit. All you gotta do is work together. But since nobody could agree on who would be in control in since none of their pride aside as it always is research Bigalow pulled out. Honestly, we could replace the words ufologist Ufology follow just you could replace the word Ufologists with libertarian. All makes total sense to me at world after they go after Bigelow, and they start saying big lows in the hands of the government. He's doing all this shit Bigalow. Taking money from the government and giving to you. You know, what you do as you have researcher and what I've learned from entertainment. You just go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, cover your eyes fingers in years ago. Well, i'll. And you go when you fund some fucking Yip. Well, there are people out there that you follow that completely deny any sort of government or military funding actually jot fillet one of Henry's favorites like is staunchly against taking any sort of government or military funding. Why the government is actually trying to give you something for something? Cool. No, I understand if you actually have principles. That's where comes down to that. You really want to question the source of your money. I am obviously being I am a nude opportunist in many ways and understand that there's maybe a means to the ends. And the means we're we had to do. But I do understand why they are reluctant to if government, especially if you believe that the government has been against disclosure that the government has been covering up their research on you, a foes, why would you fuck trust the government? Oh my God. I mean, if you don't take it's just going to go to Pat Roberts. Once again, the seven hundred club to keep them alive. Yeah. I mean, do you knew imagine how much government money that it takes to keep that poor skeleton alive? Well, back when Bigalow was doing this coalition. He did not have access to government funds. Just yet. This was still his own money Jin's money. Yeah. This is dad's. Yeah. And these guys were not they did not fuck this up because they didn't like where the money was coming from. They fucked it up because they could not work together. So instead of using stabbed UFO networks who clearly couldn't get their shit together. Care more about getting credit than discovering truth Bigalow. Created his own investigative body from scratch that was the National Institute for discovery science. Most commonly known as nibs good acronym. I'm gonna say this. Come to put money into you Afo group. The first thing is the acronym. Yeah. I wanna do something called like suds. When we have to work out. What it is sexy underdevelopment Dr sandwich. To do with you. Dip sounds like did with the Di knits sounds like humanoid creatures that kind of live in the sewers or disease that can kill your toddler. It is one of the doesn't if you're in the doctor's like, you've got knits. No way. It's like that means you have extra strong cement. It's like. You're guaranteed to be muscular and smart, the knits had some actual mainstream. Heavy hitters on their team. Science wise respected individuals in their field with real crit. Bigalow was totally done with dealing with straight up UFO nerves from what comb Kelleher author of the hunt for the skin Walker says or co author of haunt for the skin Walker. What he says is that they were field guys and board guys the field. Guys would go out collect data and present it to the guys on the board for review, but that was a problem here mainstream. Scientists don't like to attach their name to paranormal studies of any kind or studies that could even be remotely considered paranormal nets because the world of science is so Steffi that working on paranormal. Studies can turn to a huge black Mark on one's reputation. And the reason why I can't be an anesthesiologist. I really though that is confusing to me black holes parallel universes. All that. Stuff is kind of science based right? He's very science based what I'm saying this. If you're a scientist paranormal studies seems like it's a relatively, you know, it seems on the same footing to me. Oh, you are. You are if you read the differences between the way people believe in you, obviously, we already know a lot of just the all of this stuff wouldn't between cryptos and any sort of things in the relevant paranormal. If you're going to be pro it you have to be very passionate like four it. Right. You have to fight for the cause of the proof of the paranormal because what we're witnessing skin Walker ranch. A lot of it has to do with witness testimony a lot of it's circumstantial evidence. So a lot of it has to do with the fucking kind of blind faith that it's real. And that's the exact opposite of what's how scientists work. Scientists are supposed to in the work in the world of repeated experimental factors. She's supposed to be able to set the whole shit up and do it again, exactly the same way and get the same the same things out of the problem with studying all of his witty shit as it. No one can really figure out how to properly set up the experiments and actually get recordable results. So scientists plu play in this world. Yeah. Times become like comb Keller. Her where it's like where I think there's a lot of people like people said about j Allen Hynek when he was working on project blue book as that he the a lot of people kind of question. The fact that he switched into becoming a believer of UFO's over his time working with project. Blue book comb Kelleher is the same way soon as got involved in skin Walker ranch apiece started this hardcore scientists saying we are going fucking map the world of ghosts in UFO's. Ask him. What ranch we're going to do it for the fucking science papers? And we're going to do it legit. And as soon as you start showing up and all of a sudden, he's start seeing words like vibe. Scientists are out. And so this don't wanna touch it with a ten foot pole. Well, that's really interesting you say that because in happy birthday to you. It's actually like sophomores in in college team with the sheep. Are you getting paid by happy birthday to you know, I actually thought the kills could have been better. But it is interesting perspective when? No, there's there's an orb, and then there's going around it. And then there's time Trump's scary stories. Because the world of science frowns on even curiosity in paranormal studies, we don't actually know who most of the people on the knits board actually were and you might say how convenient and honestly I got nothing to refute that it is frustrating to not know who these people are in fact, even the conspiracy world has its suspicions about neds. Some think that it's part of a secret organization called the aviary. Complete Scott codenames like the hour and penguin and. And. Only purpose is to keep evidence of alien encounters a secret or at the very least controlled flow of information about control information because of every boob in the world can get it. Then the value of decreases. Sure. But regardless of who was involved with knits. There's no doubt that the men at the top was Bob Bigelow a few weeks after the desert news story hit Bob took his private jet from Las Vegas and made a visit to skin Walker ranch. Once there he spoke with Tom. Gorman heard the stories and made an offer on the spot to buy the ranch for two hundred thousand dollars. Good money. Tom who's losing his shirt on all these missing and cattle jumped at the chance and moved his family to another inch twenty five miles away. They just want shirts. Sure losing court. There was a very interesting interview with Eric Davis who ended up being revealed as one of the knits team after skin hunt for the skin. Walker was published. I he did his interview with this self-styled, like new female version of art bell or name is Erika Luke's that does a show at of Las Vegas. That's pretty fun. And she's trying to put a new hip spin. Newel follow g and all the research the paranormal, but Eric Davis talks about how he read a news paper ad in classified saying looking for scientists to research the paranormal, and he was a guy with a long list of like of credits. I don't know what the term is for scientists showed up credentials. They call them credential actors have credit scientists have no I lived in. And so Eric Eric Davis said that who is race stance in real life. He is he is him. So he sat down with with Bobby and Bobby was like, what are we gonna? They'll what are we doing? We'll zip zap full swing these wolves. We're gonna put them in a net and Eric Davis. There's many ways that we could. And he booked on spot. He's like you're in your my gay gay. And so they went to Vegas, and he said Eric Davis standing all happen within like three days. You got hired. He sat with Bob. Bigelow. He walked in. He heard the story. That's all I need to eat easy money him. Go single someone each one of them in this case. Now, they've put ghosts in the suit. That right. Wow. Thing was even though Tom sold the ranch. He wasn't ready to give up the mystery. Just yet even though he didn't cut and all that SAFA nonsense. This man had lost a lot of time. No lot of money and a lot of cows over the previous eighteen months, and he was going to be God damn if he was going to get out of the game without at least trying to figure out what had happened. That's the farmers trifecta. No want that. So Tom stayed on as the official nibs ranch manager because Bigelow purchased a few cows as baked. Oh, yeah. Have that one? And Tom he kept working the ranch. He even kept some of his own cows there and that might sound dumb. But it's very possible that his new ranch just didn't have the area necessary to handle his whole herd. Goes it's hard to handle the whole herd. I will say to this is where the time line in the book. It's pretty murky. They don't really kind of talk about this is the kinda shit. That's that's hard to track. If you're want to say that all this stuff's real because Tom Gorman like kind of stayed on even though he was really scared. Right. Like he came in he stayed into. But a part of it. I think I don't know. I'm not a rancher man feel a Kinman to their land. I think they do it. You can. But I think what it seems like to me if I was fired. I guess he probably moved to a smaller ranch that just wasn't big enough to handle all the cow every head Akao that he had. I mean, he must love ranch in two hundred K you got that in the Bank. Sell all of your cattle and just go and move into a nice, little condo. Yeah. He's he's a Catalans. All he knows. Oh, my good. What would you do? Someone told you to just give up on right? Here's two hundred thousand dollars give up on radio and everything one hundred thousand I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do two thousand loves the microphone too much the smell. He loves the feel of the cylinder and his hands. His lips. I love the way that the boom would the spit. Shields, smells, like ten years of talking. I got Ed Larssen was in here last night. So my speech shield, smells, like ham and beer. But regardless of what Tom's business was skin. Walker ranch was perfect for the purposes of Mid's these guys needed a full on laboratory for paranormal research a place where actively was guaranteed and now they had it. But here's the question. And it's a question that is played paranormal. Researchers both professional and amateur for decades is it what are women thinking. Just the first you g magazine, what are women thinking just several UFO guys with the map of a woman's mind that has. Here's the question is it possible to want it too bad. Furthermore, is it possible? That observation ruins the experience. This is where it's hard for scientists will according the Tom Gorman heavy-handedness might have sunk this thing from the beginning cosc- nibs plan to come to the property with a trailer. Command post observation decks cameras the whole nine yards. We wanted to hatch the wanted to catch when orbs attack they wanted to see the shit that was the whole point. But Tom he'd spent a lot of time rolling around in the hay watching these orbs. Remember that from last episode where literally discovered hiding in the hey allowed him to see the orbs better. So he became a looney tunes cartoon of. Pile watching things in the sky. Oh, he'd spent eighteen months trying to capture this thing on it. 'cause he said that there was one time where he did actually burrow into the hey with video camera trying to capture something on camera, but he could not do it. Because what his perspective was is that this thing needed to be haunted like a wild animal like intelligent game is one thing. We're gonna find out that this thing. Whatever it is it skittish when it comes to being recorded inits coming out with all this equipment. I mean, it's like building a cabin in the middle of the Seren Getty hope in a hotlines from your front porch. It's just not gonna work. Good luck with that. Yeah. Which pay guy to come drug the lions, right and bring them over to the house, and then you shoot him in the head in the living room. Real brave hero, he'll hunter. So they wanted it too much. Maybe just didn't understand you gotta be about this stuff. Tom. Gorman has developed a sort of personal relationship with whatever's happening on this ranch again, if you believe him so part of it is the is that which is what people have said time and time again about this type of phenomenon is that he believes he's developed this communication, and so when these guys will show up with the clipboards and video cameras. He's like we got a sneak, man. Yeah. I got a sneak and be real quiet and Eric Davis. Like I brought by photo Cameron. Oh my goodness. Gorman didn't like the technique. He just thought maybe they were going about it the wrong way. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that the experiences ended with the arrival of knits far from it. In fact, some of the stranger in more fascinating stories in the skin Walker ranch. Saga are still to come. And some were experienced by nibs, scientists themselves. I will give them credit because when the knit scientists I showed up these spent the I wanna say they said, they spent the first month with no equipment. Yeah. They came and just personal observation which is where a lot of these first stories start happening where they came and they wanted to get a lay of the land and Robert Bigelow was out there because Davis was like, you wouldn't even meet a more regular man than Bobby because Bobby, you know, he'd make you tuna sandwich. And you know, he's a he's a billionaire you'd come in there, and he'd say, you're hungry, and he'd poor you boneless cereals, I started thinking about like what man. Pours Bulla series. You gotta put the milk in with the cereal in the box. And pour it all out together. Do that. But no. But you know, I mean, it's just weird food to serve a friend. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But the fact remains that the knits field team was never able to capture proof that satisfied the review board or even themselves in a scientific sense. All we have is what these people saw with their own eyes. And it's up to you. If you believe them, so without further ado, let's explore some of the things those men saw during their eight years studying skin Walker ranch a study that was by far the most intensive and expensive private investigation into the paranormal that there's ever been that is eight year eight year been doing this show for nine ten years nine. Yeah. I think it'll be ten years next summer that is such a I think about that. It's so locked. Yes. So much work. And at least we can like have something to show for it. No. That for the just talked about the story. They didn't even get a single picture as far as we know because then we'll get into. To whether or not they're holding onto that. Oh, you they're holding not data. So in September of nineteen Ninety-six comb Kelleher and a physicist and a veterinarian who did not want to be named moved into an observation trailer on skin Walker ranch and started watching why wouldn't the veterinarian want to be named? No dog is going to be like, no, I want him up on me. Goes I think that better veterinarians or a little like, you know, I'm still a doctor. It's cute. Episode of last podcast on the left is brought to you by stamps dot com. Who really has time to go to the post office? I sure don't between all that traffic parking and lugging your mail and packages, it's a real hassle. That's why you need to dot com. One of the most popular time saving tools for small businesses. Samsa com eliminates trips to the post office and saves you money with discounts that you can't even get at the post office. 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It wasn't too long before the team spotted something Tom the two unnamed scientists and comb witnessed alight hovering in the distance moving. Unlike any craft any of them had ever seen frustratingly though, as it always is the object was too far away to be captured on video, and the photos only showed something that put out about as much light as a bright star combed described the citing quote mundane. Then a month later whole team of scientists witnessed a silent Gallo light. Fly a perfect circle about their heads than the thing headed north into the distance. But it all happened too fast for them to film it, and for those of you think again, how convenient think how often you've tried to just pull your phone out of your pocket and record something while it's happening and failed. Oh, absolutely. Every time. I see a celebrity just pull it out that say capture. T- t swift are you or your text? But now imagine you got to unpack a cumbersome shoulder mounted tape recorder in the same amount of time. In other words, capture in this stuff, isn't easy, and it absolutely was not easy in nineteen ninety five for a while. Those two sidings were the only things that happened months passed without the phenomena showing it self once it seemed that either the phenomenon had gone into hiding or Tom had been telling a few tall tales, small Thomas still opening doors with a gun. Millions in the bathroom team to even return to Las Vegas for the winner. As the UN to basin can reach temperatures of thirty below at its coldest. It is miserable out there. And there was a slight mutilation of three calves who received an ear injuries. But it wasn't enough to kill him. It wasn't really anything. Big. No. This is weird ship where they found a calf would look like a drill hole in. It's fucking. I, and they didn't know what the hell was. But they're still like Mamie foul on fans. Weird. Yeah. They brought a couple of vets out in one of them said like, I don't know what the fuck that is. And the other one was like ATs cat. That's yeah. Can't did that. Well, no, obviously, you're not a very good veterinarian. That's baby. Oh. You idiot. Everything's the cat. If you just think about it like, it's a cat. But then on March tenth the phenomenon returned with a vengeance on that day, Tom and Ellen were checking on the skin Walker cattle, which is they just kinda had small hurt out there, and that heard included a cow and her newborn calf a said they left the heard for about forty minutes to attend to other business only a few hundred yards away when they returned. They found a gruesome horrifying scene. The mother cow had been injured and was limping away. But the calf looked is if it had been ripped apart and scooped clean. Ooh. Three of its legs were splayed out on the grass as if in presentation while the fourth leg had been torn away and thrown clear, the torso had been completely opened up. And all that was left of the body. Cavity was a mangled cage of broken ribs. The most unnerving detail. However was that despite all this. There was not a drop of blood anywhere own my God creepy. They said that look like something had actually vacuumed out all of the blood pink can clean and all the guts were gone. Yeah. And it was splayed open. Like like, a one of again of a woman from one of those documentaries. Well, that's interesting now that'd be a great infomercial for the vacuum. They could hold a bowling ball. Okay. Buddy. Yes. I should've been open four Solis. Backs really really really a hell of H back right there in this story. Didn't just come from Tom the state of this calf was confirmed by comb Kelleher who upon receiving Tom's call made use of big lows resources and was on his way to skin Walker ranch in Bigalow. Jet within an hour and a half shoes. And of course, he couldn't help. But take jab at the researchers who missed out on big lows. Millions by writing this in the hunt for the skin Walker, quote, mo- Selva, scientists investigating the paranormal couldn't even afford to rent a cough for the weekend. Wow. What did this roast battle? What is happening? What they sing. Move money move. Pro. Wow. I killed my wife. Roasti scientists that needs to be a show, but combs smugness aside, he discovered even more upon examining the animal besides just being completely drained of blood and guts, the calf's left ear had been cleanly cut by something sharp in bit removed from the skull completely. It seems like this was the moment that the phenomenon decided to show itself to the knits team because that wasn't even close to the strangest thing that happened on March tenth at about eleven pm that night comb, the physicist and Tom were startled by the sound of Tom's dogs. How embarking the three hopped and Tom's truck which Tom had set up with the strong spotlight which strong spotlight essential tool for cattle, rancher right? So the three sped off into the darkness to see what they can find. And soon saw something large that appeared to maybe a cow standing in shadow and heath large tree. Ooh. If. That's that's my wife. Don't say. This is really, but this is very paranoid. Right. 'cause Tom Gorman has been saying this whole time in like, y'all still don't believe me gallon and believe me, and they're like, okay. So they're out there. And all of a sudden, you see this can shadow in the dark, and then these fucking Arabs come shooting out of it. Yeah. Right. Suddenly two orbs of yellow light appeared in the branches. And it's Tom and the other sped towards it. They saw a gigantic animal of some sort perched twenty feet up in the tree. So Tom who'd been itching for something flesh and blood to kill pulled out his rifle aimed and fired. Do not about three tree goes. The lights instantly went out upon the firing of the rifle. And Tom said that he saw the creature fall to the ground. But when they got back in the truck drove closer, they found nothing. No blood, nothing at all. No, big monster. No, big Monceau, man. Then Tom saw something else a different creature. He raised his rifle again and fired twice again, Tom. We sure he hit something they found nobody and no blood what they did. Find was a single oval track in bedded six inches into the snow and appeared to them that whatever it was had two claws protruding from the back of its foot like a bird of prey and another track of the exact same kind was found twenty feet away. And how is it? Com. Mad do shoot dysfunc-. Hate still orbs. He's, but he knows he can't shoot to orbs because he tried and knows that big wolf everybody early shot the wolf a couple times too. And it did nothing. So I don't know what he's expecting. Now. You know, and it said that they had a footprint, but it's in the snow. You can't keep it. You can't keep it took video that took pictures. Okay. That's right. My friend, Ben he is the most useless native American. I've ever. Well. You know, you can't keep foot tracks in the snow. Anyway, I was I did tell someone Henry's Bigfoot track story the other day when we were. One of the only ones left he had. He was talking to this guy for like ten minutes. Kabakov Henry was talking to the Bigfoot hunter. And the guys like this is the only one we have. From blue hill, citing its special, really. And and I got to tell you this last one I got and I'm like, all right? Sixty five dollars right for fucking plaster ballots bought it, and I was like I feel really good. I got up like, you know, Natalie you will love me mentally will love this turn around. And I want to look around and pull another one out of a big Tupperware. A great little plaster cast of big foot of book foot in looks cool. It looks nice on your mantle yet. Does look cool. Well, these two creatures were by no means the last one seen on the ranch further into the investigation, Tom and Ellen were out on the ranch when they noticed a cloud of dust coming from the chorale we're Tom kept couple horses even from a distance. They said they saw the cows weren't alone. But all they could make out was a reddish Brown blur. As they got closer a creature that defied explanation came into view. It was huge and heavily muscled with a red bushy tail like a FOX's it looked in move like hyena, but it had stubby little legs like a bore and the head of a dog every bowl vio- Bonko. The freaking gold. Honda scare you steam, David funk dogs. You could look we put God. Nice mine. I think you're a great dog. Okay. Bunko? Money is thing is we don't even have to sing today. Tuesdays. It's no singing Tuesdays. Tom was about forty yards away. Would he began to run towards the corral? But the moment Tom felony was sprint the creature. Noticed him jump through the metal bars and headed up a slope. And by the time, Tom got to the top the creature was gone. The only thing left behind was the smell of wet fervor and few scratches on his horses strangely. This was one of the few phenomena that seemed to repeat itself, and this is strange because one of the most frustrating things about skin Walker rent from a scientific research perspective is that events rarely repeated themselves which made measurement and comparison impossible. Another one of the scientists that got to be revealed as part of the knits team kind of John. Alexander. You sues? Also, he worked for the military and all this kind of shit. And he his thing. He always kept saying is when you're on skin rocker when you're on skin Walker ranch. You are not in charge. Yeah. Yet is in charge. They. Try to sit these things up, and they said, basically, they would see if anomymous and they're like, okay. So we gotta do we've got cameras over here. The only thing and then it would never happen ever again. And or it would happen just to the right of cameras are just to the left at the cameras, which is again, another how convenient moment. But what do you do if it is happening? What do you do if it is happening, and you're trying this fucking capture? It you go crazy. You wanna get that panoramic? View of it skin rocker ranch. That's just full of Iggy pop and Anthony Keita's. If your skin is just leather, Ian. Guardless to more people reported seeing the bushy tailed creature a ranch hand sought and another local side. And it wasn't just gigantic monsters that showed up on skin Walker ranch at one point dozens of tiny bright red almost tropical. Looking birds just showed up on this ranch in Utah? They stayed for a few days fluttered around the trees, then took off drew never to be seen again weird. Then there was the gigantic spider. Infestations I would much rather have the tropical bird back. Can I just say like if you have to choose one of these guys put your sandals on pinochle oughta fuel like you're in Florida for a second weekend? The spiders were there for a few days. And then they were gone and locals were seeing things as well. During this time things that sound a hell of a lot like the traditional skin Walker legend and Tober of nineteen ninety eight a couple were driving just a few miles outside of skin. Walker ranch at dusk. When they looked out their window and saw a human like figure sprinting across the field keeping pace with their car. And it was running straight towards the ranch. I got is said Kerry. Fear. What is it false appearance? False expectations. Appearing real yes is the best. But let's you say it was only non scientists who experienced the strangest phenomena when it comes to creatures take this encounter that happened right in front of comb Keller. He and a colleague were out on watch one night when they were faced with a silent brightly lit sphere about the size of a basketball. Glowing with bluish white light it hovered about fifteen feet off the ground right in front of him. But just as comb trained his camera on the object it disappeared. Like someone had purposely flipped a switch, of course, is like no not gonna get not gonna not gonna get it. Since is a really fun practical joke perhaps on the other side. So with their appetite whetted by this citing the pair kept searching the area. Another appetite is wetted. Me ten v telling me, my friend, my fellow scientists are you ready to be nude opportunity. Strip. Oh, interested of a colleague was using the night vision Benach years looking at the tree line about two hundred feet in front of him. When suddenly the colleague exclaimed, quote, Jesus when calm asked him what he was looking at the dude fearfully said that he was watching a huge black thing right in front of him moving north something so large that he wasn't sure if it was in the trees or behind them all he knew was that it was blocking out the stars. Holy sh- Nike that dude being revealed to be Eric Davis that so a lot of the activity is centered around Eric Davis. Specifically, you listen to anyone of his interviews. If you ever look them up on coast to coast or any other kind of shit. He had a history of of you Afo sightings in his own life. Also being a scientist, and they all said all of the people involved with needs. That would go to speak about the project later on said that the activities to show up when Eric. Was out observing things. So they're sitting watching this shit, and Eric was such a I mean, he such a nice, man. Yeah. And he was kind of I would say he was burdened with this having to see you all the time. I just feel like I wished that. It was now for them. Yeah. Because I don't think that people are as lambasted as they used to be. No, no, no. It'd be on some show or something. Yeah. Well, this story is it over just yet. As Eric was watching this thing he was attacked not physically, but psychically? Yeah. He started yelling. It's got me. It's yeah. Yeah. And it said that it was saying one thing directly news mind over and over again, we are watching you. We are watching you who are watching you. We are watching you technically you're talking to me. Then it was gone. You remember when this happened before in the Gulf breeze in it? Yeah. But we don't know if it's gonna that was the actor fake, but it was to watch him. Go. My that was the man who wore the underwear all the time. Yup. Yeah. Of course, now this is far from the only time that seemingly invisible forces had caused trouble on the ranch, Tom and Ellen said that one day eight seeing their cows being herded by completely unknown force. They said that they saw a cow approaching tasty salt lick I think I'll just have myself lick. Yeah. You might as well. Just go ahead and call me salt lick. Oh, what's suddenly the cow stopped and began backing away as if it saw or sent something threatening dead ahead. This wasn't the first time that Tom had encountered something like this. And he discovered that this particular phenomena could actually be tracked with a compass. So Tom pulled out his compass and found that it was pointing straight towards whatever the cow was seeing the cow then turned and ran towards the end of the pastor. But when he did this the remaining cattle in the heard suddenly split into with one group running east and the other going west as if something was moving through the middle and all the while the needle of the compass followed Tom and Allen sat there and watched the needle follow whatever it was until finally it began to point north again eleven minutes later trip, b what was really strange about. This force though, was that it was. Usually accompanied by a terrible, smell or farts. The move one time coma said he was out in the pasture. When he was overpowered by a musky stench. What does that smell? It looks over. Just Gerard Depardieu. Go anywhere comb spent enough time on the ranch by that time to know what various wild fauna smelt like you notice gong smelled. Like, you knew it a FOX mild by he the knows knows. The knows knows this pickup animals just start smelling lines. You can't use to the smells of you recognize smasher. Sure city boy. Yeah. But this smell wasn't common for many of those animals comb also felt that something was close. And that something was watching him. It is to me. Darod now turn awaat skiing. Leave. And yet even though comb saw nothing he said, this was one of the few times that he ever felt physically threatened while on the ranch and comb wasn't the only one who experienced this smell plus fear interest. Comes to smell. Then comes the fear. That's always. Oh, that's how it always is. This is one of those veered stories that I'm like, I know he's looking for shit. So they like them being tacked by smells one of the weakest defenses. I did. I think the smell plus fear thing is pretty good. I believe for me. That's a pretty it's a pretty strong. Thanks. Mel is a big sense. Yeah. Big sense. Well, Canadian investigator who'd come along. So that he had smelled it to build it to the fear as well. I tell you what there's a ward Canadian side, we have about it seems to be the person who smelt it. They seem to have. That's correct pretty much. Everyone smelled it as had habit showing up pretty much anywhere. Smell even showed up in the command center, you tell me how that got in their house ski smell in the command center, I got some Duke on my shoe. On. Well, the smell would show up it linger for a little while. And then it would go away. Honestly, the command center without that. Unique smell that must've had a fun. Little order to. Honestly you follow GIS? Are imagine a musky bunch just together. Sweating with fear. Wondering you the orbs? We're going to come. So you get spooky stories of an unknown fear wild animals appearing and cattle being torn to bits and one of these guys were on the job. They certainly were nut staying quiet. These guys started talking and pretty soon. Rumors about skin Walker ranch started to circulate around the internet. Eventually rumors started spreading that to nibs staffers had actually been found murdered on skin Walker ranch, and the Bigalow had covered it all and this is like baby internet. So you know, it's like green lettering on the black background when I was doing some of the following the money research knits, I set to Barca's there were several classic on black website. Oh, yeah. When I was checking it out like I clicked on the link and it came up green on black. And I just I felt comforted. You like my I was like well time to put on the glasses. Like, even though that that definitely happened. I still felt like the good times. Well, that's what I'm saying. You know, everyone says oh the internet is Google Google is just a search engine four. We had freedom. Duck duck. Go was supposedly have freedom. Ninety percent of the internet is encrypted. Oh. Well, supposedly the person who spread this rumor about the murders said they heard it straight from a nigga board member. But comb Kelleher assures us in hunt. There's no truth to this. And I couldn't find anything about murders on skinless ranch in particular oca- takes. I don't think anybody died. I think of somebody died it was from the flu. It'd be good. Be regardless. Weird shit kept happening on skin Walker ranch in April of nineteen Ninety-seven. Tom had called up comb to tell them that not only had another calf mysteriously disappeared. But another dog who gone missing as well. So comb hopped on a plane and headed on out. But when he arrived, he found that he'd missed one of the most bizarre incidents of the entire investigation by just a couple of hours, Tom and Ellen had been driving by chorale that held four of their prized bulls and Ellen had wistfully commented that she didn't know what she do if they lost a single one of them. Really? Yeah. Dude. That's a lot of fuckin- money. Okay. That's a lot of semen. So no my. Steer. That's a lot of steer. Come. Yeah. Oh, okay. Nobody Sears steers do not produce come. Yeah. Bulls bullet holes that's a strong marriage than no jealousy at the part by the part of the husband there. She is talking a lot about another man their cows. They're both. They're men. So they kept driving counting cows as you do every single day. Yeah. You gotta go out. You got to count the cows. And if there's not as many cows as there should be you gotta go out looking for the missing Cal. Where's the Cal? I don't know. Oh might be another hour might be another six and might be another nine, but you've gotta find the fucking cow. See this is why I just like my outlaw country music, but with the amenities of normal life your law country music on headphones in a delta comforts. This episode is also brought to you by frame bridge. If you've been listening to this show, you've heard me talk about frame bridge. 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You could you would not be able to get four huge bulls inside a tiny little trailer. And then get them to just sit there. It's impossible. No, absolutely. Not David Copperfield. Remember when he made the statue of liberty disappeared. They the thing went you literally just change the camera angle changed it back here. It was horrible. So Tom yelled for Ellen and banged on the side of the trailer. The cow suddenly came alive destroyed the interior the trailer kicked open the door and ran back outside. They were shaking, but otherwise completely unharmed. So when Tom told this story to comb upon his arrival they went to doing inspection. The trailer was indeed destroyed as Tom said, it was and coal knew that had been fine. The last time they were there because the command center is only about twenty yards away. The strangest thing was when comb brought out his magnetic field detector, he found that the metal bars of the chorale had become magnetized. That's a common phenomenon would on skin Walker ranch where these orbs show up and then things we get magnetized legitimately. He's like you could hold up a quarter or whatever it was. I don't know what can get magnetized all the piece of metal. And it would just be. It would just stick to the handle on. And it was especially magnetized in the region. The trailer. Really cool. I actually had a dream last night about magneto. Oh, cool from X men dream. And this is true. He was in like, I don't know Florida or something like that. He was just on the beach picking up all the coins with his hand. Yeah. It's texbook literally the most boring thing in the world to hear about somebody else's dream. Yeah. Forks and stuff I dream last night that I was frantically searching for a actual paranormal experience and actual haunting and failed dream that Natalie, and I were in Rome, and we were attacked by a gang of talian thieves with knives. And I beat one of the death. Cool vogue are things. Go. Here's the problem. What the fuck does the magnetized corral mean what does that what is there to test here? What is there to observe? What does this get you other than an opportunity to say? That's weird. It's so weird weird. It's literally that's all. That's all. That's all. It is go. Whoa. Okay. Wow. Cool. You get nothing after the incident with the bulls. Nothing was just what they got on the ranch for months on end. I mean, you could always put little funny magnets on their like. Demagnetize after after they sit about forty eight hours later, the MAG magnetism was barely detectable. It winnow it faded. Oh, yeah. The only thing that happened within the next few months. Was that a pulse? Gas kept opening the doors to the dog, pens, and that may seem small but comb claimed in hunt that this happened nine dozen times. Oh my God. That's a pain in the ass. And he knows because I guarantee you they wrote down every single time it happened. Yeah. This is this point the one thing say their observations at this point. Imagine are tuned all the way up that because they are scanning for whatever it is the day can pile together because number one Bobby big lows cameraderie money Jesus pan. The mold is doing whatever they are starting to get a little bit of the, hey, where's the proof? Right. And so they are. Desperate trying to cobble together. What they can. But it's all the fucking wackadoo. I mean, what does the poltergeist activity proof? I mean, nothing was ever seen on surveillance nor there any tracks. There was nothing. And since there was nothing all they had was the experience. And the thing is that's all that matters market. Does it really telling you? We're talking about this on the phone, right? Yeah. You can get a picture. I mean, you get proof you can have video of it. But when it comes down to do I need proof to tell you, I'm so happy to dance with my future daughter at her wedding. Do I need Peru. Right. Right. Well, I'm just happy. You think your daughter's going to get married? That's wonderful. No, that's but you do need some proof. No. You can't just you know, you gotta have cameras on. Yeah. You do need some proof, and is problem of experience versus evidence was probably most pronounced on the night of August twenty fifth when to investigators reported seeing one of the strangest incidents ever described by paranormal investigators that think there was a paranormal investigator kissing a girl. Pitcher. I will know so one of these guys I don't know of Jim or Mike. It's the guy on the infrared camera is Eric Davis. Okay. Oh, well that night two men known as Jim and Mike where about six hours into their watch sitting on a bluff overlooking a field on skin Walker ranch. And this was a night that they'd given. They're all one of them had started the watch with a meditation session. Eric was the one who did that that was air. Yes. Yeah. Because Tom remember that story from the last episode when the stranger came out and the predator beasts came and yelled at them. How could I forget, of course, these guys hoped that meditating might draw the phenomenon out of hiding, but by two thirty AM nothing was happening. So they sided to give up for the night. But as they were breaking down there quip -ment Jim noticed a faint track of dirty yellow light about one hundred fifty feet below. He pointed out to the other guy as they. Watched the light began to grow. So Jim, started unpacking. The camera again to see what he could capture while Mike crab, the night vision binoculars to get a better, look and still the light kept growing. Finally, Mike whispered one thing it's a tongue yet. Jim who didn't have the advantage of night vision? Only saw the light. But he did see the light was getting bigger and bigger. Yes. So he's watches it'd be like, okay. Whatever you only other guys third a fucking bug out. He's like. What can give man? Oh, it's going growing about two feet in height. But they're suffered happening man having with it. Yeah. Finally when the light and crawl knew about two feet in height. Mike saw something through the Benach killers. He said that he clearly watched as a black six foot tall creature with no face crawled out of the tunnel on its hands and knees stood up and walked away. It is literally the scene from ace Ventura nature. Pause with the big foot. Out. And he's just because apparently he's freaking Davis because he's going like new. The polls dilated boy. And coming through because the guy with the with the bananas like let me see two. Yeah. CDN for a camera. And he's like, no. Do we he's locked into see it? And it's fucking. Popped out of the whole. Just walked away and disappeared simultaneously. Yeah. Very cool. And then the light just blinked out of existence on the two of them. Immediately ran down to where the light had been. But all they found was the smell the musky scent. Smack. Another great practical paranormal joke. Yeah. And they tried taking readings they took out a machine, no shit. They used a machine called Nardolillo part. Check for radiation. That's an order does. Definitely going on because I accidentally I caught myself a little snip on my balls from trying to clean up some of my ball hair. I slipped and I cut a little bit. I'm I am dealing with the Nardo. More on that. You can listen to this week side stories Henry goes in depth, which I thought was really fun but script on that show. No scripted all the Nardolillo found nothing. And again, the pictures that Jim except he's putting it out himself. Keeps rose to. Again, the pictures that GM took showed only light that could have been anything. The frustration with surveillance continued after this, for example, take the story of the security cameras. This is my favorite story. I love this one. Because this story has been verified by several members of the team that came forward and said that they like this is this is legit. And it is weird. Yeah. Knits it set up a series of six surveillance cameras in the area. We're Tom acclaimed see the most mutilations orbs and the famous orange structures in the sky. The idea was that the cameras were sure to catch something of note. But they've been up for a year, and it caught nothing. Okay. Would they decide to do? Right. Was because of this problem they've been having right, which is this concept of which I that's part of me that makes me by a little bit is that they say they got so sick of happening just outside of frame. They're like you won't work in a fucking do. We're gonna take these cameras. We're. Point them at the other cameras literally in the most added cameras. So it's they'll see what spine these cameras. They'll see what's the sides of these cameras. This is like this was in the area, the homestead area were all of the worship was happening. Right. Have cameras watching the cameras I like it and the pattern of seeing nothing changed in July of nineteen ninety eight. But not quite in the way, they expected see Tom noticed that three of the cameras had stopped recording. So he walked out to the cameras to take a look see when he got there. He found that the wiring had been completely and meticulously ripped out. They see the way they look look that they were cut. They were also covered in duct tape, right? And the duct tape disappeared. And so they were like, okay. Somebody van will is this. But we got the camera. Watch your knees Faulk in cameras, and so it was like the Narda Lert was flicking blaring, very all hopped in the plane. The all just got done eating soup, or whatever you do. Down put down the left because we've go. Soup last night that good. Yeah. Very good. I was actually vegetable soup. I just I helped the show. But I actually mixed it with split pea. Good to be really tasting Lanny way, Dom called up the team in Vegas. They all hopped on the jet. And they came to survey the surveillance they found that all three cameras had lost power simultaneously at eight thirty PM the night before. But nothing was caught on the cameras in the lead up. That's realized we got them cameras pointed to camera. Yeah. We're definitely going to get it. And so the legitimately thought that they were going to just see like big foot with the ladder an open air with the everything dog. Oh, maybe we could show them a little. A little. No, no buckle. Dismantled its camera system any put up where screwdriver. Wave to the camera gave him the finger, honestly sasquatch in bunko. I would watch that if it was a series. Yeah. I would watch series over a movie and watch the movie. So would they catch Marcus? Nothing. Good. God almighty, come on the other cameras were about two hundred feet away. And they watched the footage eight thirty came and went nothing show showed up all they saw was at the red lights. The cameras were on prior to eight thirty pm eight thirty all three just blinked off at the exact same time. Were they on a timer? This is not a timer issue. This is not a power failed. Because remember the wiring been ripped from all three. That's what turn them on. A why are we have been ripped out? And it was ripped it was severed. Right. It's this thing where they don't know. So they caught none of that. It look like nothing had changed on the cameras on video. But in person, the cameras were had been physically fuck with that was the one where John Alexander that is the example, he keeps saying he's like, that's the only thing I truly saw that was like. What what is this? And it's technically the only proof that we have a something anomalous has happened. You know, the non evidence is also evidence though, because you don't see you don't see Gorman going up there. Risking his life cutting off the the power now. Non evidence is also evidence that they're nothing happened. Also, not you didn't see anybody going up there and sniffing the wire that is true. So that's good man is true. Well, after that things started a wind down the incident with the bushy tailed creature did happen after that. And there were a couple of minor incidents, but nothing of note and people had even started living on the Gorman homestead in nineteen ninety nine and they saw nothing. And by the time comb Kelleher left knits in two thousand and four. Nothing had really happened on skin Walker ranch for years, and it such that's the tale is told in hunt for the skin Walker ends, but that's not the end of skin Walker ranch. And this is when things get pretty goddamn complicated. Our best try to parse everything that's happened. Since Kelleher left, okay. Less sponsor today is calm stress is a worldwide epidemic. We're working longer hours. 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Bass was one of the first coordination's between Bigelow in the US government where they went and took some DIA money, and then continued their studies than they actually did. It's can walk ranch because they also had a spot and dole say or dull j I don't fuck. Yeah. But they had another place. They were also dumping some money into. Yeah. In multiple places in Biggles, new focus seems to suggest that he learned something from those eight years at skin Walker ranch. I would hope so public statement say that Bass's new methodology was based on the fact that you phenomenon was capable of manipulating and distorting human perception therefore making eye witness testimony, quote, increasingly untrustworthy, oh, that's not to say that I witness testimonies useless. They're just saying that as a tool for scientific study what we're seeing may not be what's actually there because you can't get booted from eight years on skin Walker ranch. You're not getting it anywhere while they're just a commercial for someone who had I think it's MS or Parkinson's, and they say that you start hallucinating with it. And then you take drugs to stop loosening or don't. Right. Yeah. Why not instead bass aimed to approach the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with UFO phenomenon because if cameras can't capture it, and if the UFO experience truly is a personal one the may be the answer is in the figurative eye of the beholder. Now this statement was leaked to George Knapp. Her wrote about this for the I team in Las Vegas writes, George Knapp, who's always had a personal relationship with Bob Bigelow, which is how we got the story in the first place, which is why he was allowed access to skin Walker ranch because Bigalow knew him and trusted him. So key gave him the statement from bath saying essentially, a part of it is to measure the human bodies reaction to anomalous phenomena because they also a part of it is straight up saying we don't trust the moods of the anomalous phenomena as well. Which is just a lot of paranoia one. Because it's don't try to. Eyeballs. Also, don't trust the UFO's dancing for the balls that we don't really know how they meant to go about researching that will yet it's tough not to trust anyone the other difference when it came to bass that unlike neds as we said bass was not a solely private enterprise. Remember, Bob, Bigelow Vegas, man, and all UFO enthusiasts might remember certain Senator from Nevada openly discussing UFO's a couple of years ago that man was Senate majority leader Harry Reid to make a long story short. Harry Reid was friends with George Knapp. Ooh. Harry reid. Read hump for the skin Walker. He met Bigalow. Big donated ten thousand dollars to reach reelection campaign and read brought Bigalow into the governmental Foale to work on eight tip. Now is interesting all this kind of interesting, and you wanna say, oh, he bought this image truth. This is what lobbyists do right? This is how move is how it works. But also if we're gonna have a lobbyist let it be for you if over he's. But, you know, atempts stands for the advanced aviation threat identification program, and it was a very real government effort that was outlined in an extensive article in the New York Times less than two years ago. I mean, this very fucking complex this read every fucking complicated. Because technically they say that eight tip was the fake name that Louis L Izawa was working under who released who basically leaked all this to Tom the long of to the stars academy. Technically, the real the real name of it. It's supposed to be all sap, which is the advance aerospace weapon system, applications programme. Now, they say is the reason why the the names are important was because in within the names with aerospace threat identification program, which is what aid to the Vance aerospace threat identification program, which is what eight tip stands for. It is this kind of ache concept that anything that's in the sky. That's not ours could be possibly a perceived threat. And we need to research what it is. But that's. Way more witty and way, more fucking Wigley in terms of trying to trying to validate while you're spending money, the Awsat this talking about it as we are going to take what we learned from studying these subjects and we can apply them to weapon systems. We can toss all that information over to ARIN in which in gets really fucking complicated because who's lying who is it. True. That Awsat went ahead, and essentially they were supposed to be kind of researching fallout science but supposed to be using it for weapons. But instead are they kind of doing you Afo studies on the side, which is what eight tip possibly what's eight tip might have been a more informal group within that group of just dudes looking at you Afo footage together at desks. We're not really sure, but it all this connected back to Tom too long with the to the stars academy who work with another guy herald off who was also maybe a member of knits who happened to be connected to project Stargate, which the program in order to create telekinesis who also happened. To be an OT eight and a church or Scientology, which is why they say Bob Bigelow is now a she'll for Scientology because the herald poodle said I learned how to get remote viewing OT eight. They're they're in. There is well regardless what? Aneurysm would ever interesting though, the government program stuff, they're very interesting, and whatever the truth is it was stated in the New York Times article that the biggest contributor to this program outside of the US government was Bigelow aerospace advanced space studies bass house in the New York Times, and Harry Reid himself said in an interview that skin Walker ranch was a part of this research effort, or at the very least skin Walker ranch. And it studies inspired this research effort skin, walk around was definitely tied into this. Okay. Harry Reid coming in hot. No. Yeah. I mean, he was Senate majority leader type deal. He did some bad stuff. He did some really shitty thing. Fifty one the supermajority. What? But just regardless high-ranking government official power and a lot of budget power. This is what what did they ended up delegating? To to financial twenty two twenty two million twenty two million. Yeah, it's six hundred billion dollar covert ops budget. It's really not that much. No. I know. But it's something anyway. Yeah. And they contributed black money to it. But a part of showing that the US government in some ways. So they are then trying disincentive saying, well, they either went rogue, and we're supposed to be doing research and UFO they were supposed to be doing more legit, quote, unquote, science and went rogue, and we're investigating UFO's, and we didn't want that they try to they try to distance themselves from which I think is really interesting because I think it shows they don't want really people do know that unsown level of the government. They are having one finger still uneven. I am sure that they do your of it. Well, again, nothing happened and the program died a slow death. Even though the man was at Lewis Allison does that his name. Yes. Yeah. Even Louis ELLs onto the guy in charge. He was extremely concerned that we were choosing to ignore what he thought were possible and credible threats to national security. He's also released we need to know what this shit is. And it is idiotic that we are choosing to not study it. But I still wonder if they are I think that they probably are they the problem is it just depends on mean who knows who really knows. Because then Il Tahoe was he really working for eight tip was atypically thing was eighteen the thing a bunch of nerds at the Pentagon, call themselves. Like is that true is all of this? Unofficial or is it so so so official that they have to sink it that they have to make sure that nobody thinks about it fucking tell me, you don't get you. Henry. No, absolutely. They they've probably with the military budget. I'm sure of it. Yeah. And it seems like Bigalow gave up on all this as well. A few years ago. He sold skim locker ranch to a mysterious company called adamant team real estate LLC had of anti of. So like, it's just so on the nose. Creepy. But thankfully, we do know that this buyer bought it for the explicit purpose of further paranormal research. Okay. We don't know for sure who this guy is. But the owner of the adamant you group who owns adamant him real estate is a Spaniard named mono Rueta will according to think it is. Well, he I mean, it's on the adamant him group side, that's like Manalo Reta. Like, this is he's the guy, and according to that website bio, he has a distinct interest in Kuzma legiti quantum mechanics energies and ancient civilization honestly distancing themselves from this project at the interesting because they don't want because he appeared in hunt for the skin Walker with his face blocked out. Yeah. Well, whoever it is. That actually owns it appeared and hunt for the skin Walker this Facebook dot and whoever and also had his voice disguise, and he did not sound like a Spaniard. Well, they had a disguise. Yeah. But it was one of those remarkable. Maybe it was a smoker, really careful. Well, this is what this guy actually said he has quote vast empire of business interested I cared about allow to be compromised, but disclosure of my involvement in this effort, but. That is the power of Spaniard obvious. That voice was was being covered up there. But he like now that Spaniards on the scene. I think that that you you so hot at six. Yes. He's out there. He's got his pupil. He's eating his drinking orange wind like with the scar. Like all gum and they'd go common goal. It's so cool. One thing we do know is that a trademark was filed for the words skin Walker ranch in a deal that was brokered by a lawyer named Berbick power. That is not a lawyer. That is not a real lawyer. No, I looked it up and brick power is a lawyer in Nevada. What does Rick me Greek brick Jeep power who he is? He's a he's a lawyer at Durham Jones and Penteker, of course. Okay. Brick G power. I mean, and he specializes in patents. He specializes in intellectual property rights. This guy exists, but as far as the identity of the buyer. We only have guesses some think it might even be British popstar Robbie Williams. Really? I haven't heard a robbing a longtime because Robbie Williams inexplicably and without warning shows up on skin Walker ranch itself in the documentary hunt for the skin Walker to talk about the paranormal makes no fucking sense. Literally old documentary goes, and like, whatever you wanna think about Jeremy corboy, he's a character sitting there. They're all smoking cigars. And it's like, it's it's George Knapp who's talking. I still like beer, you see German Corval is smoking a cigar. And then the camera just pans and just nonchalantly Robby, Robin Williams, just their doer, whatever. Yeah. Go Saul goes taught me to dance. And the people who now work on the ranch say that they do have evidence. All right. They're just not shown it to us or they say that they got it. But they've been sworn secrecy the people the evidence told the stories they can't tell because they've been. I think you swear. Because if it's a pinky swear, they can't break that will truth is, I doubt we'll ever really know. What's happening on skin Walker ranch in our lifetime? I mean, most likely we will remain as the pigeon standing on the newspaper for another few hundred or even another few thousand years before we really understand what's actually going on. But that doesn't mean we should stop trying and willing maybe one day we'll find money in our national budget once again for studies in the paranormal, and maybe we'll get a hint of what's going on at skin Walker ranch. You you say. I love it. I wish this story ended on more. Like, I wish we had a picture of a UFO. It's really sad there that is. It's definitely like. This whole thing where the spend all this money, and you're just hoping comes from. But then again, why are we looking for proof so hard? Why are we doing this? When we can really just you can just think it. Could you could just make it up Robbie Williams hit song? Maybe you guys will know it speaking of paranormal entities. Angels eight how does it go, Ben? It's joe. No. Good. I didn't ever knew. I know knows does. Joe disappointing. Yeah. But I have a fun time reading about it. I'd agree tem reading about it and talking about it like it's just it's so much fun getting a paranormal stuff, and it's so much fun to talk about this stuff. Again, so much fun to read about note time line, you never know what's going to happen here. Maybe they're sitting on a whole bunch of evidence. They might in their worst some pictures shown in the hunt for the skin Walker documentary that we're very compelling. Just just like. Wow. That is. That's fucking weird. That's cool. But you know, but it doesn't it doesn't prove any sums there. Some there. Something's there. Walker rich that concludes our series on skin Walker, Raj. That was very aluminum and exciting. Yes. Indeed. I very good work, Marcus. Oh, very good work. How to research into some thick asks yet? Yes, nice. I'm happy. I it just seems like everyone is happier than talking about Joseph mangle. Here. Mangle is out of my brain. Yeah. He's never not though. Now, it's like he's a permanent little spot somewhere in the back. No. I think about him whenever I see a traffic cop like going left going, right. Don't tell me where to go traffic. That's what I say. So the books with hunt for the skin Walker for this game. I read it the hump of the skin Walker is it by Dr Cohn Keller and George Knapp. It's a really fun book. It meanders at times there's a whole chapter on Bigfoot that doesn't really need to be there. But it's overall it's fucking great book and his section at the end on like theories possible theories is really fascinating. Really cool. He talks about some possible parallel universe stuff, and lays it all out scientifically and away that you can understand it. And it's it's really fun goal. I I would definitely definitely recommend reading and speaking of payroll. Universes and lane that theory up very well. Happy birthday to you. Now, they actually do. Paid to do. No. I'm just saying they do better to the first one. You did. I did. I like the first one much better. I really know. We laughed our ass. No. It is very fun. I just thought there. The kills better in the first one will. Yes. The kills better. But I felt like this was the better movie. I didn't even know you watched it. Yeah. Conversation because I'm trying to stick to the episode and all the research that we did all the work that we did. No, I know search we did all the war all the work that was under two. Tube. I was she Walker diamond for you or Dave to fuck. It had McGee. It's got fake science. It's think give it what it definitely tied into the episode. Very well. Like rope around a steak. No, right. When we got show's coming, don't we? Yeah. We got a lot of shows coming. Yeah. We do. Yeah. Who we absolutely have to travel again this year, I'm excited to travel this year. I'm really excited I've missed being out on the road. I'm excited to get back out there, and we're about to announce a gigantic gigantic slew of dates here, very soon. But until then we definitely have a few of these booked we are coming to Nashville on the nineteenth March that when sold out. Thank you, very much everyone for for buying tickets to that we can't wait to see you. We're also going to be in Cincinnati on March. Twentieth. Cleveland March twenty second and Pittsburgh on March twenty third in those shows are definite like, we got the take accounts. We're definitely going to sell out. 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"You're listening to vox media long as network. What's up guys Jose? On sale with terrible hair to start off the show serves pizza caroline. Of course not here. He's on vacation in Amsterdam. So I'll let you fill in the blanks but with us. I T's a little bit last week and we tease it on twitter all week. We'd asked him after his big win. Brian Kelleher one of the original members of Crystal Crew Brian. You're back back in the win. Column Fifty Thousand Dollars Richer from what everyone saw from data. Wake you and your Post Widodo. So how's life since Saturday. ooh Then life is great I'm feeling amazing. You know and Yeah made it Coulda gone any smoother luther this week so I'm happy to be home with victory and just feeling on cloud nine right now. Well for those of you who don't remember or haven't watch coffee talk Brian actually came to the official weigh INS to get his crystal and from what I told him he got pyrite. And there's a funny the story about this. I gave you pyrite and it was actually tigers. I which I had mistaken so the crystal we gave you as tigers. I and what Jessica the had given us a description of what tiger's eye and pyrite does tigers I will bring you good fortune and will lead you to greater riches ages monetary riches euros. Yeah you still here. We'll seems like Brian fell off. Uh We will try. Call him back. Hello Brian you still there. I'm here now. Something froze up completely. The it's all good my man. No one's complaining now now it smooth. Yeah now I now I can hear you crystal clear they go but I hope it's not me my wife. I looks good. I think it's just I think we're going known Senate commerce is but we're still alive but what was the last thing you heard. No I just responded to your question about winning my fight and then that was it right. Well here's the funniest story about that when you so for those of you. Who Don't know didn't watch coffee? Talk or anything. Brian came to the official weigh INS to get his is crystal which we told them was. Pirate which I told him was pirate after some research. It's actually tigers. I is the Christie. Tigers is so when Jessica whose pizza has declared the queen of the crystal crew gave us a breakdown of what these crystals do in that crystals description is brings good good luck. Basically luck flows out of you and leads to good monetary fortune. So I don't want to say I don't want to say your crystal but it was clearly off the crystal. How much do I owe? You is what for Yeah for so before we get to the questions. I do want to ask walk us through the process of going from official Wentz now all of a sudden fighting on the pay per view card conor McGregor main card for yeah all week I had great energy man and I think you know I got the crystal and I felt that just kind of pour out of me and I was. I was calm. Cool collected acted like I honestly you. It was amazing because with all the pressure that was on my shoulders leading up to this fight. Like I didn't feel any of it. You know and I was happy about that. Because does that can break you. You know that could that could slow you down but for me. I felt like it was my debut. I felt excited to fight. I felt no added pressure. And No oh jitters like that and I just went in there and I came out unscathed. I got the bonus. I couldn't win any Batman. Well that per we were going to save this question for last But for those of you who don't who are tuning into the first time. Maybe you're just a big fan of Brian and you've never watched the show. You can go onto dot com and you can drop any question you want about any any topic. It's usually about MMA we we've talked about some weird stuff on the show but the top question So with that what you just said you can of course go onto the comments section. Actually your question or you can go on Hashtag the on twitter and we'll get to them but from longtime comment loaded Vic Brian's fight and future I. Brian congrats on the great performance and exciting. Finish this week. What really caught my attention? Though was your post fight interview where you said you had your back against the wall after two losses and that you know nothing about fighting sounds pretty intense. I wonder I wonder whether this situation had an impact on your training camp however fell walking into the cage with this in mind and what we can expect from you next thank you so yes from what you just said no pressure this week your post fight interview. I guess struck a chord with some some fans. So what's next Brian. Boom Boom Kelleher going forward both in training camp and inside the Octagon. Yeah no thank you loaded Vic You know I it was crazy to go to Colorado and train with Mark Montoya. It made like a last second decision to stay home because I kind of figured out everything and put the pieces together. I was at Long Island may with the flair who was in my corner and You know Ten Planet Jitsu. Steve Cast in. We Got Rick Schaeffer. Over at no limits kick. Boxing was helping me out a lot of different. Gyms I was. Then you know was really getting me prepared for this fighting all different areas by Yemen loaded. Thank you for The congratulations I appreciate it. What's next for me is hopefully Brooklyn in April proteins in my backyard? So and you called out a sugar sean. o'malley in your post-flight scrum. How long you been sitting on that call out insist on that? Call out for a while but like it's one of those things where like I don't really have in my position right now. I'm just so happy I I'm probably going to get a new contract new deal you know. I imagine with winning a bonus and performance the night like that but shorter Malley has a fight book so I kind of felt like a little hesitant. You don't WanNa waste a call out. But if he gets a quick win he might be able to turn around in April. So we'll see we'll. There's looking at the schedule just off the top of my head. There's I think Nathaniel would fights. It's Dotson coming. Up at Rio Rancho that's in your division Sean o'malley like you said does have a fight I can't remember. There's a lot of bantamweight. Yeah he's fighting Jimmy Rivera Cheeto. Oh Wow yeah. So there's a lot the bantamweight division isn't hurting for fights moving forward but it's Brooklyn or bus for it doesn't really matter who you fight though now doesn't matter man but yeah that's that's the vision right now you know Right now I don't have much say you know it's not like I'm GonNa get a top fifteen guy unless I get really lucky with trump in but I don't expect that right now it's just whoever I we're moving on another question from low to Vicki's one more for me unrelated to Brian while Connors win it was very dominant. I wonder what side of the fence you guys are on. Some of us were skeptical about the opponents towards thinking cowboys. Pick for a great match up of others we're talking about quote unquote the second coming. Was this just good tuneup. Fight or did this version of connor fighting with a chip on a shoulder pun. Intended prove he deserved the next title shot so Bryan. You've got abetter view than obviously me. You were backstage. You probably saw connor. Maybe once or twice this week or wherever what did you make of his performance was is this truly the second coming of Carter McGregor or was this just a favorable matchup that the UFC booked opposite him. Cowboys Aronie. Well you know you can't take away from the performance. It was definitely a good performance to finish cowboy that quick. You know not not everybody does that so you know nothing to take away from that but obviously the UFC's business business and they want connor to win. They want set him up for big fights and they gave him a good match up to do. So you know Cars fast starter cowboys. Not so much. That's it's one thing that I knew going in and it was actually interesting because I was in Cowboys Locker Room and watching him. Warm up I like to read energies so I was like I. Just don't see a guy that wants to fight right now. You know cowboys talked about this. You know in the locker room. He sometimes he's on sometimes he's like why AM I. What Am I? I'm doing and I saw a guy that kinda looked like he didn't want to be there for some reason. I don't know if that's true. But that's what I felt and any lost quick. So conner got the job done and I'm sure they're trying to set him up either Mazal or if could be Tony Falls through. I know we don't want to mention that. But if that happens he'll slide right in. Well well I am on record saying Habib Twenty will never have him. Because I'm a big believer in a reverse psychology so it will never happen Someone will get hurts. I don't wish anyone to get hurt. So Moga hurt. There'll be a bad way cut or whatever that fight will never happen. I'm putting that out there if you're conner's camp. Who Do you want him to fight next? You Know Cavanaugh said something about gay chief for some reason. I don't know maybe because they can meet at a catchweight or something and not cut weight but five fifty five or again they you can do whatever they want at this point but I don't think H he's a smart fight to be honest. Oh but who knows me because I don't think Mazda does a good fight either. Yeah it's tough. I think miser Dole might be not be the best matchup or but I think it's the most exciting fighting for the fans and we'll draw the most money outside of a nature allergy but nate coming off a loss and connor coming off a win. Probably doesn't make sense that you would fight nate over the the guy who just beat nate but that will be there no matter what I think. Pete's naira both on record saying if conner had lost a cowboy. Nate made the most sense. Because they both become laws. Volume of see. I'm booking the MAS all fight ace at. That's the most money you can make. Habib historically doesn't like to fight in the summer because of Ramadan. So that's you have to wait even longer for that. Matt's Connor wants to active. I think conor the way to go maybe international fight week. Yeah you definitely don't want to lose that fight You know timing plays a big role in this right. Now that fights probably the biggest fight you can make and obviously where he wants that fight. Everyone wants to conor. McGregor fight conor Conor McGregor said something about Nate Diaz. Even after this fight you know. So we don't know we'll connors manager also said it could be Josie Aldo to which connors not find a one seventy and then finding someone that just lost a one third division one thirty five that's crazy. That's absolute chaos. What did you think of his shoulder strikes in the octagon? I thought thought that was real creative. Man That was something that when I saw that I was talking to my corner guys and I was like. You can't really do that in the gym. You know you don't want to do that to your trading partner bust up his nose you know. It's kind of dirty move but it was a really smart move and it was effective. You know through cowboy off and I I don't know if that's what broke his nose or whatnot but that was A. That was an interesting technique. Used a yeah our own Steven Morocco. We interviewed a couple of fighters coach. Greg Jackson Reinecke torn everyone. They said they've been using that for a long time. I remember Ricky Simone used it against Ronnie Ya in one. Yeah and Austrailia but it was like he stopped all of a sudden and just like bulldoze is through a he didn't like clinched up and use it so Seen it before. I think that's in Benson Henderson us at once or twice but not on. This scale never did that much damage. Am I been doing this you know. I think he's done it before. I'm sure every fighter has done at least. I'm sure there's been like fights in the school yard where people people have done it just to get someone off of them but it worked shattered. Shattered cowboys knows what did you think of. This isn't a question but cowboys voice fought in November Twenty S. eighteen. He fought Mike Perria welterweight and then he Alexander Hernandez in January and then ally keen to sometime in the spring five rounds and then got finished by Tony. June finished gauge in the fall and now gets finished by cowboys by Conor McGregor in January anywhere. So that's two welterweight fights book lab book and a lot of cuts to lightweight with three. TKO finishes in the last six seven months. Are you basically raining cowboy at this point saying no more fights Leeann twenty twenty man cowboy. You can't tell cowboy what to do not sure he's reckless reckless. Guy He He's he's living life on the edge but cowboys one of those guys that he he probably knows himself like he's never going to get cut from the UFC no matter how many times he loses so sometimes that can be demotivating. I feel like you know He. He's getting the money fights now but he seems like his demeanor is different. You know three losses like that is bad. But he'll just keep fighting and keep making money because I don't think he's ever going to have to worry about losing his job or anything like that. You know I don't know if he wants to go back to fifty fifty five or stay at seven. It really is up to him but maybe he needs to take a little bit of a break taking that damage in the last three three fights the damages which is why the damages the more concerning thing losing that many times that he broke his. I blew up against Tony. I like nose and orbital bone. And then he gets it finished by justification four minutes when it's finished my conor McGregor and four and forty seconds before that he finally came to for twenty five minutes after cutting down a lightweight so maybe pump the brakes. I'm on record saying I like the remastered against Anthony. Pettis at lightweight or welterweight. They both fight. They both fought at both weight classes. That the fight was supposedly supposed to happen on your on. That card before cowboy got bumped up to fight conor but I like that fight. But I'll watch either man fight anybody Moving down the big squish wants to add. You can't really take anything away from SARONIC four consecutive top five opponents in less than a year some champs. Don't even do that. Let alone one year so yeah. He's not wrong. I think. Five or four or five times like I said in twelve months against top five opponents. Nothing take away from cowboy but it from commenter LFM W. A. St Pavers DC DC. Three big time crossroads. Major implications at heavyweight heavyweight is hot need any time for a change but what will this fight sprout. DC winds retires vacates. The belt winner of big boy steep steep a wins back to back to back fights with DC probably fights Gano big boy but what about John Jones. What about for breezy over doomed coming back so I don't know how much you pay attention engine heavyweight but it's all of a sudden real interesting even though we've got a rubber match between DC and CPA? I can't imagine Dan McCormick fights much longer after that. Third if at all So I'll ask you as a fan as we saw you got that picture of Ariel at. USC WAS IT USC. Two zero two nate Diaz McGregor. Egger too. Yeah so you're clearly a fan of the sport. What do you make of the heavyweight division right? Yeah there's a lot of moving pieces you know I I wonder if DC wants to to fight. John Jones again. You know it's interesting to want to get that one back but I feel like if he beats TEPA he might just go out on top right there. Like why risk it. You know Everyone wants to see John's move up because he just runs through the division. But you can't blame him if he keeps defending his title. You know. That's legacy also Francis. Listen God is scary. I don't know who wants to deal with that. But if stevie woods I know has an eye injury right so he's trying to heal up from that but yeah man. I don't know it's interesting to see steeping get back after and who comes out on top. We'll know after that. What's what's coming up next? Well I think whoever whoever wins is that fight steep it is Soom Dana Cormet. This is me assuming retires regardless of the outcome win or lose. That's a wrap. He said he was going to tire actors fortieth birthday. That's already passed us but Dana formula also said that he doesn't have a problem waiting for stupid steepest champ. If Dana Carney does retire steep age should obviously fight he he could either be the champion defending or could be fighting for the vacant championship next wherever so whatever happens stupid fight for the championship. Next I will most likely be against the winner Francis in Ghana. Oh and Josh Rosen streak which that this this individual elephant W. Probably didn't WanNa try and spell so we kept calling him Biggie boy but Jersey no is a proud member team crystal. He wears this Chris. He'd knocked out Andrea Sub Minute on the New York City card and then he ripped ouster over in face open on the main event of watch of the Washington. DC Card on short notice after wall hairs has a pull out for unfortunate reasons. But I don't know who wins that fight but it's not going five rounds in Columbus. I gave you on that one. Yeah you can bet on that for sure. Where's the prop at? Who Do you think wins that fight? I think Francis wins it. I think he's a little faster you know he's he's a little bit bigger to Stronger teams like but you know Rosenstock has a big background in what kickboxing trains. Still trains. Retirement spong yes. So He's definitely got that experience advantage but I think Francis is just a little more dangerous. I would lean towards France's Casey live in our government has been saying that he thinks Francis the best heavyweight in the world. He has what we in the business. Call all the touch of death where it doesn't look like he touches you at all and all of a sudden you're on your back unconscious But then we got junior. Does Santa's coming back for do wants to fight Alexia Olympic Doc. I don't know if you saw that call out. One of the one of your fellow. Bonus winters at UC to forty six ovary wants to get back in there Andrea loss. He's always fallen around. Ben Rothwells back. I believe he's he's fighting. Who's he fighting John? John Volonte moved up to heavyweight and then illegally Taylor and then Ilir Latifi Fighting Dirk Lewis and the Houston car and so a lot of light. Heavyweights moving up to heavyweight. All of a sudden yeah wonder about them. Maybe the cutting wait is fading off on you know but but Francis is one of those guys that makes me happy to cut weight and not be a heavyweight right. Have you ever thought of moving up to one forty five. I know I saw. Are you Before the after the official winds that Waco. It's kind of rough. Yeah you know I've actually fought at one. Forty five a bunch of times on the regional. Seen before I I moved down but you know it was rough because I was heavier than usual like two weeks out but actually the actual process of cutting the weight went smoother. Then I imagined I I just I panic about the wake-up because usually I show up at one forty nine one forty eight and I'm like okay. This is good. This is where it goes smooth. 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So when you're fight when you're going through that you'd know what you put your body through and all of a sudden you hear your our fight. Your opponent is basically completely hydrated. Getting on the scale is that do you feel. It's an advantage for you like maybe I'll be bigger or you thinking. Wow this guy's already healthy and hydrated for this fight I think He definitely I had a strength advantage. I noticed that in the fight you know when I grabbed a hold of them. I took them down. I felt that I don't know if it's true that he didn't cut any weight but he definitely it seemed like a guy that was more fresh on the scale. So all right you know As long as I feel good in there I feel. I've never felt someone like really have a big strength strength advantage over me and also like all right. I'm going to grab a hold of this guy. And let's see how how he feels and I remember in the fight grab a hold of them. It was like uh-huh like like this. This is a big strength advantage here. I'm going to be able to hold this guy down you know and that's what it was so one of the comments section. Had a question Shen for you. Brian about fighters stepping on the scale. Why do fighters who badly miss way like Alexa? This week still stripped down to get on the scale knowing. There's no hope that's a good question. I think that's them trying to tell us like. Hey I tried by best and I'm as low as I possibly could have got. And maybe they think like some shot of luck you know maybe if she had a crystalline a damn pockets you woulda something crazy would happen. But what do you make of the Las Vegas ruling where I think it's three pound allowance like if it's in if you're three pounds away from thing they they they check you out to see if you can fight and then they ask your opponent like do you. You want to accept the fight by Alexa was five and a half over in that immediately. Scrapped the fight like there was no like even cloudy. All take the fight but Las Vegas like nope five and a half pounds. It's over now. I was curious about that right because me and my dad would talking about that. We saw that is it. Is it within three pounds of your opponent's weight or within three pounds. Sounds of the contract. WAIT THAT'S A. That's what I would. We were talking backstage to. I don't know the exact ruling. I'm sure someone watching this will let me know if was it. Would that mean if have cloudy had a sense like if you're weighing in you have a sense. Your opponent is struggling. Do you wait for them to wear I. So then you can space lead to stop cutting wait. Maybe like if you're struggling you see there. Oh they're twenty they're one forty pounds and then you guess you could see all look. They're five pounds. Sounds over. Maybe I just missed maybe. I talked to the commission. Can I come in at one thirty seven or something like that. I don't know the exact but would that. If you sense you're struggle to weigh in knowing that was going to be the case. Would you wait to watch them. WAY IN I. Yeah that's what I'm saying. Everyone wants to fight. You know I saw Claudia after. She was devastated waited. You know and and Grosso maybe if she would have communicated with the UFC a little earlier said hey I'm off by this much having trouble and maybe the UFC speaks to Claudia. Claudia Claudia says okay. That's fine I'll stop cutting weight and I'll weigh in within three pounds of of her weight. I don't know if that's the rule but if it was that's what I would do sure and a If that did happen she'd get some of her bonus for money anyway. So more. Probably get you get you get your your check. You get like twenty seven and thirty percent of your opponent's check and if you win a bonus like Brian it's fifty thousand dollars more and you get your window so bomb for cloudy but Dana White said he actually wanted to cloudy Klaudia. Pump the brakes a little bit because she cuts a lot of weight to make one hundred fifteen pounds. Didn't WanNa make her do it again. Someone in the comments section said Oday looked super-quick. A good idea to grab him Brian. Oh yeah hundred percent gotta it was funny man. 'cause like I did that Jorges thing. In the beginning of the right and I was I was plotting plotting plotting a flying kick or knee. Just like he did the aspirin and then like last second. I'm like now I'm Gonna I'M GONNA play it smart here because O'Day it looks like he's plotting something to side just kind of came out. He hit me with that Superman and now is it man. He was fast. He looks super fast. So a lot of people in the comments saying yeah. That guy looks real fast. Real hydrated didn't look like the way cut affected him at all or lack of weight cut. So get your hands on them and quote unquote big brother him into the fence. Yeah I once I got a hold of them I knew for sure that are you know this is where he's most uncomfortable. He likes to strike. I can see that I could feel that so once. I put him where he's uncomfortable. I felt I felt a lot safer and I felt like I can get a finish. So I'M GONNA in the comments section. What is more impressive? Passive in your mind's connor wins the lightweight title getting Redemption Against Habib or Connor Beating Osmond and winning a third world title. A third way class probably beating. Schmidt is more impressive because I had. That's scary fight right there. stylistically to I don't know man that's to me. It's winning the third belt. BOOZMAN is taller than Woodley lose. Men was bigger than colby just looking at them. Aesthetically saying height wise because Woodley's obviously a very thick guy. He's he's one of the smaller As he just doesn't he doesn't cut a whole lot so well actually cuts a lot. But he's just not the tallest guy so he looks bigger but yet beating would by far being the more impressive thirty three titles or three weight classes and then but I think that's outside of Gatesville. I think the worst possible matchup for for Conor McGregor yeah. I don't see the US feeding McGregor use McNair as dangerous. Someone says any crystals recommend we'll after Brian Performance. I would recommend tigers. I this one right here right. There had no other one from commenter the big squish dream scenario oh you own and operate the UFC. What changes do you make? Specific things not just pay the fighters more. That's a given personally. I would introduce once every five years. UFC Grand Prix Open weight probably somewhere in Asia. So Brian Dream scenario you are now the owner of the UFC. And what you say goes as he rubs ABC's hands together. What are some changes you make? Well I s today man I if I if your owner you're in a complete different position but as the owner now how who was once a fighter sore definitely given at least sixty forty percent forty two fighters sixty for the business be a little generous And then you know cutting out like no more weight coating Maybe maybe some pensions. Maybe a union you know. Start a Union for this sport. What year and I'm being completely pro fighter because that's a real sport attitude and that's how all the rest of the sports were so on on the US as a UFC fighter you we hear or as someone who covers the UFC and other promotions? Casey and Esther were in Tokyo for ballot or Tokyo. Tokyo and the rise in New Year's Eve and all of the ballot or fighters were saying wow fighting in Asia is so much different than finding the United States and fighting horizon. It was so much different like you. They use the word respect. The fans weren't booing them for grappling. The fans weren't booing them for pushing up against the fence. When you hear that are you all do you ever think like like wow fighting in Asia I really WanNa do that again Not Really I kind of like the. US Fans I like I like the rowdiness. I like the loudness. I feel like brings excitement to the sport. I respect both angles. I think it's cool that that it's like that over in Asia. You know it's different true respect for martial arts and really Fans of every aspect of the sport like that here in America. They don't hold any punches you know. They're they're saying it's crazy stuff out there but I I said it brings a lot of excitement and I feel like I could feed off of that in the fight. Chris Wineman when he would. He fought all these like Anderson twice and then he fought Machida and then he fought vitor like he fought all these Brazilians like back to back to back to back and by the time he veto he was like how come American fans don't travel like Brazilian fans like he fights these guys in Las Vegas and half. The crowd is from Brazil and they're chanting their holding up the flags you when you fight outside of the United States. Are you wondering the same thing like how come U s fans don't travel to these places to watch me fight. Yes one of those weird things man. We're like in other countries like that the whole nation Kinda gets behind their guy but Heads Conor McGregor. You know like if Qatar wasn't Irish like I don't know he would be the you know where he is exactly. It's kind of a weird thing America's just so mixed and they kind of Latch onto specific guys that they like Mike but they don't say oh he's an American fighter like I love that you know we're GonNa follow this guy just because of that. How often how you? We've you mentioned union. We've seen a lot of talk of unions like the like there. Was that weird scenario. Where like George Saint-pierre T. J. dillashaw cowboy like Kane in candidate are all up on the stage? We've seen random guitar Try to bring the ali-akbar we saw. I think it was the professional fighters union. I think what it was called. How closely lead you follow those? When those things get mentioned? I don't really follow along too much for me. It's like I just want to hear the good news. You know what I mean. Take if something happens. Please tell me and I'll be aesthetic. You know I'll be. I'll be grateful for that but I do look at other sports and the the numbers that they bring in and even like hockey player for example that sits on the bench that hardly plays the lowest salary is like I don't know six hundred thousand per year and like it's just like it brings this envy. You know where I'm like. I picked the wrong sport. Deny what am I doing here but I just hope that changes the sport you know. But I'm sure I'll be out of it before it does which sucks for for the future guys coming up. You know. I Hope Things Change Alina Moreira in the youtube comments comment section has questioned for Brian. Would you be ready for a big main event like Kelleher verses Mores on short notice. How soon do you think you could like turn into the octagon? I'm one of those guys that could fight short notice. I'll be honest. I don't really take breaks out of the gym too much. I don't get I don't usually get too heavy I don't like how it feels to be out of Germany. Just how I am. It's my lifestyle I eat pretty healthy. You know all year round and I could do five rounds rounds. I haven't done it. I've had five fights where I finished it quick and the first so I don't know what it's like but I believe my cardio is definitely one of my advantages. I could definitely do it. So if they called you say today and there was happened to be a bantamweight fight. Saturday could Brian. You have four days to fight in the main event. Would you be able to do that. Oh Jeez I mean if I can make the wait I think I'm only like one fifty three now so it's not too bad but it will definitely be rough. It would be rough but it depends on this obvious. They're bringing that monetary action if they're giving me the big pay raise. I'm GONNA do everything everything I can to make it happen. So someone in the comment section just a bunch of numbers goes what is the ideal number of fights you you like in a year. I like three or four. You know you can never say like how you're gonNA feel after our fight this one. I was blessed to come out like unscathed injuries. Nothing I'll be back in the gym. Probably you know so three or four is ideal. I don't want to crunch too many in a year but I also don't want to have only like two fights in a year I think three or four is perfect. So aren't going back to the comment section of questions about your division specifically we've for you thanks to that cringe guy. At Bantamweight the Bantamweight Division is messy. Could you provide a roadmap of what you expect in the Division for twenty twenty or at least is what would you like to see so I don't know if you saw but the Aban weight title fight between Henry Suto Josie Aldo of all people is supposedly being target target for UFC Sao Paulo. In May or I think it's in May so a I'll start with this. Did you score that fight. But you mammaries Josie Aldo. How did you score it I scored it for Aldo? I thought he squeaked out a decision. They're just forward pressure. Thought he landed just a little bit more frequently. I don't know what's going up. And it's weird because Dana White. I'll say one day he'll be like Oh. This is the fight that makes sense you know but then the next day he's booking Aldo and so who knows what do you mean what what makes sense you know. Nothing makes sense anymore so I don't know why they're doing that fine. I who does being stubborn himself. He has the power now. Oh He's trying to get the bigger fights. The bigger name guys at Joe Obviously had the injury. He's recovering from his wrist. I think it was. And then he got Peter Yanni's WHO's tearing through the Division Scary Guy. I think they're going to you know go the Aldo route and probably try to book Al Joe and Yang for a number one contender fight and see like who's true guy. Yeah I also scored for Alto. But I didn't think it was a robbery as our own Alex. Kelly says not all close lows Pfizer robbery. Sometimes just that razor thin I think those are the definition of ten nine rounds in there Dana White immediately immediately after five Henderson who tweeted I'd like I thought Aldo one I WANNA fight Aldo. Dana White said. He likes the album. This is in the post press conference after the fight so as someone in the Bantamweight Division region are you just like what are we doing here guys like l.. Those now lost like people forget he also lost to Vulcan the champion at featherweight. Right now he lost a him a three round fight. I lost him on the race in a two round. Three around five. So that's back to back losses and now supposedly finding hydrogen pseudo in his home in his home country. It's craziness easiness man. Sometimes you just wonder like what what's what's behind this decision making you know like why is why is it not more of legitimize sport where the guys that have worked so so hard to get to that number one contender spot actually get their shot. It's one of those things where like it's so hard to get a title fight in the sport like now what are you GonNa do. You GotTa Make Money Al Joe Peter. y'All like they gotta make money they gotta stay active. You know so. They're going to take the risk. They're gonNA fight each other or fight someone else. Just so they can make a paycheck and stay active. David stay stay keeping their momentum or whatever and now if you lose a fight you're never getting titled Reset and you've got to go back back to square one and work your way back up. It's like one of those things where what are you gonNA do. You can't sit out. No I'll just wait. I'll wait like five six seven months. See if I get my shot no like you gotta fight right so I think that's You know unfortunate that that happens to guys like that you know that really deserve their shot. But we'll see what happens like I said I think the UFC look for who has the most hype behind their name. Who who's the the bigger money fight? And that's what makes sense to them more than anything else. And then you have frank of your Corey San Hagans supposedly go down dominant crews always return at any point. So there's I thought thought they were GonNa go that route the dominant crews out but when is he coming back and then you have cody. GARBRANDT is fighting on the Columbus too. So you got a lot of former champions all of a sudden coming back doc. All around the same time really have to wonder. Even if Peterman sterling win that number one contender fight would pay even like would peter Yonhap to be Arousa mainstream with each other and then all of a sudden have to fight dominant cruise next for a number one contender spot. So it's like who knows we saw we see Yoel. Romero is fighting Israel out of sign and and actually lost. I think he's lost tuna row. I think three or four but I think you'll Romero is maybe a little different because people still kinda look at him as the Boogeyman of that division. Like if he gets a title shot. WHO's really complaining? Same as holly homemade she gets all these titles shots but like no one is overly complaining. Amy You are you like. I'm still going to watch. Maryland relies on. I don't know about you. That fight is thrilling. Yeah one hundred percent. I mean it's like a similar situation to an extent you know coming off the law and this and that but yeah that guys like you said the Boogeyman like scary gotta fight and props to Israel for wanting that fight in the first place. Yeah I don't know if you saw the whole me Casey where in New York and before before the the Mysore Diaz fight and I asked Mas Udal like what do you think about this fight and he got out real serious all of a sudden and was like Israel out of Sonya came up to me in a club and was like I have to fight your friend for my legacy and unlike shook elect shook or or. Hey Mazda doll he's like damn scary dude right now like no one else props for that fight but then again the polo cost fight with Romero. Like I I feel like that put Paulo Kostelic on that same playing field you know. I think he's hurt so he's out. Dana White says yes he could return but to pump the brakes and get one hundred on. He's like eighty percent healthy he got cleared but it's like he just got clear like yet back in shape and then we were supposed to have jared cannon air who is the founder of the team Crystal Movement. He was supposed post. If I Robert Whittaker Robert Whitaker pulled off for personal reasons we still don't know what that is and supposedly Darren till is going to take that fight. But then we hear Darren till my have an ankle injury Jack Hermansson still floating out there. But he just lost Jerry Cannon. They're answered Silva come back at any point. Chris Wyman dropdown Kevin. Gasoline's always out there so we were talking about bantamweight. Having a lot of questions in the middle of division has a lot of questions to take Robert Whitaker. Something with his kid needs. Some kind of what is a kid I was. I was seeing bone marrow transplant but I don't know if there's been no official word that's slava hearsay but nothing specifically from whitaker yet. Yeah Yeah because Dan away said it was something real unselfish of him to do so. Hopefully everything's alright on that end Nicholas Thompson in the comment section on Youtube. You said what it would be your game plans if you fought Aldo or pseudo. That's tough man. The both of those guys are real fast real sharp hard to take down down to. I mean you're dealing with an Olympic level wrestler. Who does so it's like? Do you even shoot in like you know. I think I think you try to tire him out a little bit. And just try to pressure and overpower a little bit. You know maybe I have a little bit of a size advantage of power advantage. But the fight with Mariah's was impressive because he dealt with a guy who has so much explosive power got through that and then finished him with essentially breaking him and showed displayed cardio and his durability and that Faisal. It's tough to say right now. I'd have to take weeks to come up with a specific plan but I'm not really a big game player. Anyway go in there and say let's get this done you you know. MMA orator on Youtube comments has BJ Penn successively removed himself from the goat discussions. If not how far of decline would dictate take a step down from. MMA royalty so we've had this conversation a few times over who is the greatest lightweight of all time. I think by default it was. BJ Penn for the the vast majority of the last decade he had the most consecutive title. Defenses I think three which just shows you how deep the lightweight division Ben for so long And he he would go up and down weight classes he fought George. He was like the original. He'd he'd fight anybody anytime maybe a detriment to his record. But at some point point he was deemed the the default grays lightweight ever most people that have been on the show seemed to agree the winner of Habib. Tony in April will determine in the greatest lightweight. Whoever lives so I'll ask you first is? BJ Penn still one of the goats in your eyes. And if not who is the greatest lightweight well well. That's always a controversial subject. You know I think back when. BJ was in his prime and he was doing his thing. You know you could consider him that for sure. it's unfortunate to see his downfalls unfolds. Play out the way they have because I was a big fan coming out I he was one of my favorite walkouts ever wia music and just the way he he. He got a blood on him and he would lick it like after the fight like he was alleged for all that stuff but nowadays you know I feel like the game is constantly evolving. So it's always harder and harder harder to do big things in the sport as time goes on so with that said I would give Khabib the edge right now. Tony Beats Them. The things can be based on the way he just dominates guys especially knowing Oh we know what he's going to do to us but he's still going to do it to us like that. That's amazing stuff. Yeah I think you hit it on the head out of like the. The sports always evolving at the end of the deck. We did like the greatest fighters for the twenty-five grades fighters the last twenty five years on fighting we do the top I five and there was like a debate whether Anderson Silva would be in the top five and based on like. I'm like what a weird like four years ago there would be one or two and now but now you have guys like GNP. George I mean. GSP John Rhonda you've got to include in their Aldo. And then all of a sudden we're finding like randy couture and chocolate onto your near like ten eleven twelve. It's very it's weird to think about what we think of raining a tour and I think of him as being for a long time. The light heavyweight who ever lived not would fight any if not the best fighter on the planet and now all of a sudden. He's not on the top ten. There's a weird thing to think about. I think it's more or less like you should word it differently differently. Like who's the best ever in their era in their time. Yeah thing Richard Services that the same thing when they were trying to do the greatest. NFL player the one hundred graves. NFL players like Aaron Rodgers. I didn't make the greatest one one hundred. NFL players and people are like well. What are we talking about here? Like giant night is played in the sixties. You can't really compare him to two thousand nineteen a complete different. Someone said a lot of people saying Habib's the best yard the whole comment section just Habib Time Habib one to five go someone goes Ken. SHAMROCK grays fight of all Tom. Well always says who would you like to interesting question. I had pondered a huge leg next. I personally think he's a fight as a beat necks and Koreans Om. We should get vulcanology. Yeah I'M GONNA agreement with that I think Korean Zombie deserves his shot with volcanoes stylistically. That's a great match up. We don't really know what's going. Automatics is head right now. So we're kind of waiting to hear back about that but yeah yeah year-old Rigas. His style really flashy guy Zubi vs here's a crazy fireworks fight right there so I would love this. I've said a few times. I think Mac should take the Ronda rousey approach not in the sense that he just disappears but when Rhonda Lost Holly She took that whole year off and then she fought Amanda because she just had the belt so I think should take some time off and then whoever has the belt Max fights nights when he returns could be Balkan it could be Korean Zombie it could be years of beat but he fought last five fights in the span twelve months so it takes time off. Don't rush back and then fight. Who are but then Volkan have surgery on his wrist or Dahmer Song? So he's going to be out for a minute to but I I like Zombie fight now I like that. I think what Max to like with the way the brutal way cuts he. He hasn't taken a crazy amount of damage or anything except for like the fight was pretty bad but his way cuts are brutal so yeah time moth might be a good thing. Yeah I think the way cut is. It's clearly not an easy one you saw. He had to pull out of that. Brian Ortega fight and then to go one forty five to one fifty five to one forty five at one forty five in a in a short amount of so we fought in July and then he fought in December to wait cuts down to one. Forty five doesn't always look the best but cupcakes. That's true storage. IRA going through the comments section more. We've talked a lot about connor but Hoy Mazda is customizable really that huge fight to make people think in his interview to forty six. He said he's just interested in finding connors for the money. That's it maybe it's just me but that interview wasn't enough to inspire me and I'm not all that excited for this potential fight. So that's the dog. WHO's one of our longest commenters? Did so we talked about this. A little bit in the media. Tent did Hor-. Hey Do enough to sell you on Conor McGregor versus Roy Mazda. Even think you have to do any. That's that's what I said you don't have to do much. Connor fights just sell themselves pretty much and it would be interesting to see if maybe the old connor comes back with his intensity. I wonder how long this whole like respectful quiet connors gonNA last It was it was refreshing to see it but I just wonder like how long can you keep his cool for you know. I think he was just doing that to kind of gain back his his people who maybe lost form but Hori verse Connors. You're such a huge fight. I think it's just so amazing. Using how Jorges career has just completely three sixty eight at how fast. It's amazing to see that you know because he's always been an exciting guy but now will the sun warming the biggest superstars in the sport. It's crazy to see how fast I can happen. Yeah that's a fight that I don't care if it's in front of twenty thousand people or that's Jim or they're fighting on the beach. I just liked that fight as a martial arts competition like that's too high level strikers with an exciting array of strikes that don't take steps backwards. I just like that fight as a fight. I don't care if it's for belt or not like I said the same thing about Ortega Holloway said this anything about Air Zombie. Assume say that a lot about a lot of one forty five to one seventy fights for connor probably winning the NFL is bigger than any other belt. L. Surprising to say but I feel like that's true and we pizza night interviewed whore. Hey I don't know if you saw the horror. Hey launched his own skull again and we said had like what would it take like like you said someone have to put up something for the. NFL what would I wanted to put up at propositions. What if you did ten percent in your mess call Paul for ten percent and the proper twelve? You're breaking out big time at home as you can see it thinking well Connors Roberts offers twelve supposedly worth a billion dollars. So obviously I'm going to do that. I was GONNA. I didn't get a chance as connor question but I think that'd be hilarious fight but I think what you said about the a the respect angle like. How long are we going to see this? I think that's one of the people on talking about this enough. You and I are both in agreement that the gates you fight is not a great match matchup for Connor stylistically. I don't think. AG IS GONNA play. The cowboy was very complimentary of Connor this week. Justin Gage is not not going to be complementary of Connor at all. I don't know if you've seen his tweets just completely rinse his him every chance he gets. I think that's a big reason. Mike Connors not gonNA fight just engaging nets yeah they probably WANNA keep this this shtick going for a little bit you know. Give him some time to gather himself up. And then you know what's going to happen if he ever fight again that's going to be a mess again you know. I feel like he's going to go right back to to his ways. Yeah that's one of the reasons. I don't want that fight immediately. I don't want to have to go through. Do One of those doesn't really like fighting in Las Vegas after the Las Vegas Commission like suppose. He was going to expand his teammates and they find him awesome. That I can't imagine connor fighting anywhere else outside of Las Vegas for the foreseeable future and I cannot imagine after the incident that the corners GonNa fight in New York anytime soon so at Raider Stadium right that that might be an opportunity. Supposedly he wants to box manny Pacquiao. In what is what do you think about all the zoo for boxing stuff. We keep hearing Dana White talking about. I don't know now he's bringing floyd into a kind kaieda. I feel like that might have something to do with you. Know his start to at all. But I don't know like I don't know what's going on there man i. I don't like that whole crossover stuff. Especially Ashley after we saw Floyd and connor do it already. It's all right. We got it out of the way. Let's stick to your sport and and keep things moving along here when Moslem dolls also trying to call out for a long time and canals. Like I'll do it for the money but money. Cannella has like a five hundred million dollar deal with design like I don't think he's hurting for money from a comments on Youtube. I cannot pronounce this. Do you think intentional pokes or as bad as taking steroids. DC steep needed Glatt studies these against the after fighting de steeping needs glasses now and pissing lost an eye. I polk's your thoughts. That's a good question question. Actually because you're actually affecting someone in the fight whereas steroids can do the same thing as far as you know the training goes to recovery goes. That's going to affect you know. Oh you in the fight or your opponent and the fight potentially the eye pokes might even be worse. Because you're taking away someone's vision you know it'd be now they can't even see you. So how are they going to beat you in the first place. Steroids afraid of someone taking steroids. Because I've heard you know taking a lot of testosterone sometimes affects your cardio in a negative way so I've never really worried about someone being on that kind of stuff I think. E P O is probably the worst thing to face because now you gotTa Terminator in front of you. That probably won't ever fade away. But Yeah I polk's are unfortunate. You know it's always been one of those things where it's like. Please don't happen to me in this fight because you know that's some serious stuff is our center. So what do you think of that. Oblique kick that Jackson. Wink team uses a lot. I know rampage is on record then many times you think it should be illegal because now he his his his knees messed up for the rest of his life after fighting John Jones. Well here's the thing about. It's a technique right shoulder strikes. The nose break. Someone's nose Tepe kick due to the break someone's knee I mean Head kick to the face break. Someone's orbital it's all part of the game I feel like so you can't really take away an opportunity for someone to caused caused damage. What do you think about soccer kicks? Geez I was a soccer player but whole life so maybe that would benefit me. I don't know I played soccer. She's like five years old so those are wild man and I don't know about whether if someone's heads he gets the cage I feel like that's a little something that seems to be the big argument against it. If you get pins get kicked in your head doesn't have anywhere to go. Yeah you can't avoid dodge it or anything like that. That's the only one thing I see from that otherwise like you're you're in a fight you know what I mean like. The A lot of bad things can happen in a fight. So how could you say like you know. You can't do this to cause damage and a fight. What do you think about headstones comprised? Everyone sees those those those photos and video highlights like Shogun like jumping up and just like head stopping his opponent. Well here's the thing about that. An up kick is a headstart in the opposite direction essentially. So it's like you can. You can move on the on the mat you can you. Can you know dodge it somehow slipping it if if you see it coming so I don't mind that either really junk mail once told me I did like video video of techniques fighters back and chuck wants needs to grounded opponents own. It's like you can like neom in the head side control. He can just like new ahead a bunch of times. He said. That's the one technique he wished he saw back on the UFC. Yeah I mean the thing about these techniques to like gotta imagine if you're going to need someone's head it's a big opportunity for them to get up you know you're not you're probably not controlling them in a positional national way so if you go for that kind of techniques at caused damage it leaves the door open for someone to escape and get up all right going through the. Let's hop over to where you can always use Hashtag Eisai if you have questions for us. Not a lot on. Most of the comments are about Connor. Of course I poked I poke is should I Sung Stephen S.. Should I be disqualification or should you get warned once it happens again. You're disqualified. No I don't think it should be a disqualification right away. Because who's to say what's intentional or not. It's really hard to tell you. No one I poke guys like to pull out their hands and Kinda gauge distance and stuff. That's the one thing man. These refs have such a harder job than people imagine. You know like you're dealing with split second timing me and someone gets I poked and you're supposed to decide. Oh you really meant to do that. You know like I know for sure so I find that a hard thing to judge I think you know they warn you. The back they warned me in the back before the fight that was good you know and they said listen if it happens the first time this is your heart warning here so you get a point taken. I think if it happens twice I don't know I mean another point take it. You're probably not GonNa win the fight but now. How much damage did you? 'cause on this guys I you know. That's the question. Have you ever WANNA prize gloves. Have I ever wanted or have you ever worn a pair. The one hand in. Yeah I I like the idea of that though. You know because you don't really need to like open your hand fully to like grab a hold things or or grapple. Yeah I think that could help. Prevent a little bit of the I poke for this show I think. Joe Joe Rogan talks about that every single time he has. He's always talking about fighting. A football field have pride gloves. All that stuff at the football field. They feel like people will start running away. MMA asthma duration on twitter. Who Do you like seeing fight? Dust Emporia next. I think he's looking to run it back with Connor himself who is in That's one option there Poor as in a situation Asia where he fought like everyone you know like he could probably run it back with many different people. But it's a tough position right now. I'm not really quite sure who I would want to see to see fight next. So there's a there's a lot of options well he wants one hundred and sixty five pound division. I like the idea like this is just something I thought of my head like if like. AKC light and things to be an F.. Belt just become one hundred sixty five pound belt if connor fought and they just had a gentlemen's agreement to one sixty five and just do it in spite of the UFC saying don't do it. I kind of like that idea. I think it'd be kind of funny. That if the fighters took it upon themselves to just call me to one sixty five yeah right just started up up without even saying anything. Just start cutting extra five pounds like one sixty five champ babe babe the NFL every division right was a man of Nunez. said the same I think so. Do you want to make female belt. I should've I should've went nuts on the post fight interview and called for a title fight for what thirty five because hey I'm I am a veteran in the sports I've had ups and downs in losses winds just like Jorges D.. As you know well you can use this oppor- Jorges has said all week like the read the quote unquote quote the resurrection starred with knocking. ow Dare until your resurrection starts with Bryant. Brian Calvert summating day Osborne. UNC to forty six January season season starts Someone goes what are your thoughts on using. CBD FOR RECOVERY UCD pretty frequently. It's hard to say whether it works or not to be artist It's not something that you take and you're like wow I feel great now but like with all the benefits that they say come along with it and it being a natural plant mismanaged Adam. I'm like hey why not. Let's take this and if it helps with C.. T. Sure I'm gonNA take you know. It's definitely interesting to see where they have smoking walking that. CBD Pan Up on the hearing that two zero two after losing the Connor and were freaking out whether he was smoking weed up there and all of a sudden the partnership with the CD Company. It is a very interesting time for me to say the least. Oh Yeah and then they introduced that oral thing right. I think they were running running some tests I spoke with someone at the Pi. They wanted they said it would take a year to see like results of something but that was in July. So I'm not I haven't followed up at all Someone says Dustin Pedroia versus the winner of Heavenly Charles Oliveira. Yeah it's a good fight right. There Cavalier was trying to fight Islam right now. He's from what and I want. Kevin Leah said is he wants to fight Islam in Russia which yeah Razi so he took the fight but that the Russia card was already booked because Kevin faulk Gregory Gillespie New York native in Madison Square Garden and then he wanted turn right around if i Islam in Russia with the fight already filled up so he said the deal was he fights Charles is only bear in his backyard. Beats and then. He gets a turnaround. Fight against Islam and rush. Kevin Lee is a madman. I'll tell you what respect to Kevin Lee because he's taking the opposite approach approach of every other fighter in this business like he's saying I wanNA fight the hardest fights with guys that don't have big names. You know what I mean. It's crazy in their backyards yards. No less like I'd Islam. I knows probably get struggling to get fights because I think he's the fifteenth-ranked fighter but one of the more dangerous and Charles Oliveira has been dying in for like a not just a top ten opponent like top fifteen opponent and he doesn't lose so Kevin Lee is taking a lot of five around fights and he he's now that he's with Farrah Rosza hobbies looking like a savage in there. Yeah for sure What it's Kevin Lee said something interesting? Where when he fought with when he be regulus he said it was the first time we really had a head coach that had direction since the raw loss of Robert Foulis? He said his fight against Barboza. He could still. Oh here's coach in his head in there so as I don't I don't know your situations with your coaches. Were not by. Has Your coach ever not been there during a fight. Is that more difficult. Google longtime coach maybe not corners. You know I've never faced a situation like that but I say like my brother Mac. He's been in my corner for every fight and like it's amazing. How crystal clear I hear his voice? You know he's my brother and he's he's a fighter. He was a fighter. He's trained with me day in and day out for years and years. He knows everything about my style. And what I looked to go for and certain positions so it's so important to have him in my corner hearing his voice guiding me through positions like he literally guided me like through that that. Pass sequence really guillotine. Yeah it's crazy man. So Edward Client on the Youtube comments as people won't jump to guard if they get soccer kicked her head stops and I mean they might second guessing. Unless they're a high level black belts that submitting everyone on their back. I mean Ryan Hall All Knight's still go down there. What do you think of Ryan Hall is? He's the most terrifying her hundred percent. I think guys are like I don't want to get my knee. Ripped the part you know and and honestly like it's not even that he's such a hard guy to fight because you're dealing with a guy that's flailing all over the place willing to fall down at any moment just roll around and Kinda snatch up your leg like it's hard to hurt him because when you go to hit him he sometimes like falls on purpose so that he can lower you into like a submission. It's wild yeah that Casey is probably the biggest Ryan Hall Fan I've ever met. I don't know but he has a computer. His all of his hard drive or names like fade or like right like Ryan Anderson Silver he has these legends is what he calls his hard drive the ad to make a new one and he named it Ryan Hall like. That's how big big of a fan. He's on record. Saying Ryan Hall is the most intimidating fighter on the UFC roster while some of us. I don't know if it was as manager coach Meta might have been Kenny Florian or something but someone was saying like nobody wants to fight this guy. He's he's been getting turned down left and right and even if you don't even if you don't get submitted like you saw the gray remaining fight that would like gray maynard was pissed at the end of that fight because like he's like I didn't even get into fight. The do just keep rolling around on his back a whole bunch of times. Yeah it's probably one of the most frustrating meeting fighter as well. Now we did it. Speak About U. OF C.. Rollie once this whole this whole time I mean I thought people are going to be asking. So what did you think of this car coming up. We got blades. J. D. S. WE GOT RDA on that card. I think Arnold Alan is still on that card. I got hurt but it's not a back card. No it's a pretty decent. I like the blades. Jd fight because I get all blades pretty much runs through guys with his wrestling and J. D. S. is known as a guy. That's it's hard to take down so I really intrigued with that fight. You know to see can blades control him. Keti get down and caught a hold them down and land that ground and pound or JD GONNA catch them on the feet. That's a really interesting fight Arnold Allen who who's he fighting again on he was supposed to fight Josh Emmett but think. Oh Yeah you're right you're right you're right yeah neck. Leads the Guillotine the other guillotine master out there He's an old school guy. You know an ARL Dallas new school. I think he's undefeated. Hasn't lost it like years ears. Arnold Dallas you just lost. He just beat a Gilbert Melendez in July. Yeah yes so. It's one of those things it seems like they're sticking to that trend like the old school guy versus the new school guy. I I like Arnold Alad a lot. He's got a funny personality his little thing with his dad and everything. It's funny but then we also have. Hannah ciphers Angela Hill. which is like low key? My favorite fight on that card. Angela Hill is one of the former INVICTA champ and one of the most fights in the. US You Straw Division. And Hannah CIPHERS. Is We talked about Ryan Hall being like an oddball. Quirky guy like hand. CIPHERS is one of my favorite interviews of all time. Because she's personality I know she's taken photos voters with fighters but then it gets so nervous when the camera's turned on I love interviewing her That fight that fight carver supposed to have frank. Edgar Corey San Hagen but that got bombs because Frank Eggert took the featherweight fight also this weekend though Bells Baladora to thirty eight Chris cyborg making her debut against Julia. Budd what is it. What do you expect out of her? Yeah I think I think cyborgs take it you know Julia. Buds are good fighters. You've got a lot of experience but CYBORG. I feel like beats anybody outside outside the UFC outside at Nunez. Essentially right now You know I think I've seen Julia fight. I just don't think she packs that same kind of power CYBORG. I'm leading inside boy for sure also on that card in your weight class. Sergio Pettis making his debut. Yes Sergio's a savage man. He's got really good technique sneak. I've seen him in videos before he's real flashy real unpredictable. I'm excited to see his his debut over Beltran easily. Do big data. He's probably going to put himself the title contention pretty fast over there and I don't know how to pronounce his opponents last name but it's Alfred fearless. He's he's the guy that Sean o'malley knocked out on the contender series. He's he's only lost. He's lost his Sean. o'malley Ricardo Rama's one archer. LEDA and Mike Hansen. So not losing a bums as PDF not bad losses. That's for sure no. It's actually his debut to also on that car to Daring Call Adam boards in that featherweight Grand Prix went as someone in the UFC when you see ballot or doing doing these Grand Prix. Are you jealous at all. Stephen Wonderboy Thompson is so jealous of them. I mean it would be cool to switch things up. You know get creative I feel like the. UFC gets creative different ways but like they're not willing to go outside the box in tournament style. It would be fun for sure. You know. Give opportunity for fighters to kind of build their their reputation. Asiana build their names and become something bigger than they are they are but yeah. I just don't see it happening with Dana. I feel like he's a little stubborn towards that kind of stuff. Yeah Stephen Thompson said the reason he wanted because you can't argue with the tournament like there's always an argument over like who's next in line who's next on you can't argue if it's prebuilt rebuilt it does itself. And I liked that Darren called. We'll former bantamweight champion. Who Lost Horiguchi on that Madison Square Garden car? Going up to featherweight Also on that Card Raymond Daniels Returns Avon night. We were talking about boxers. Making the transition over Henry Corrales one arts Aleta Pico returning on the prelims card and the Asia Aga's Gazon fighting on the second fight of the night and Curtis melander former U. of C.. Vet Jumping up to a catchweight fight at one eighty so lots of interesting fights on that card. So I'm GONNA goes Brian. What would you say if someone made cauliflower ear friendly headphones I would? I would take us about buys not that bad man. I got like regular ears pretty pretty much by right years a little bit worse the only like earphones. That don't work for me like the IPHONE. The original iphone. You can't get them in there. Yeah and like if they're for in sometimes they start to slowly slide out like I don't want to deal with that during this Kinda situation you know. I'm because these look goofy Sir I was uh-huh Interviewing Roxy at Media Day and Roxy had made her debut in two thousand and two thousand and three may soon barbara was five and Roxanne modifier. It does not have like you would like. Hey you would have no. She was a fighter. Anyway because she was like the nicest human being in the world has no cauliflower ear. I was GONNA asking like have you been fighting for two thousand three I have no cauliflower. She's too nice. There's no bad Karma for her you shirt Anderson Silva doesn't really have it either. Is it true that if you mess it up draining at once or just screwed for life. I've never drained it man. I've just held pride and just kept going and honestly like once it hardens up. It's really a heart for it to erupt again. Like you'd have to get punched really solid like right in the area for to start to bubble again. Or if you have that giant bubble like Moses name. The guy that Kim Bo punched in the air and erupted. Thomson I think is. I can't remember off Josh Thompson. Nah I wasn't Josh. I can't quite remember but it was like when it was the very next vice when kimball loss to set the Patriots Elliott Elliott and like the world's shutdown. Someone says Nose Ring Gang. Yes proud proud. Support the nose. Run Game Maurice Green wants to join by the way interviewed him today and he said I like that idea and I said put the study and I so your nose doesn't get all infected did they. I've been switching it up. I got the study now but I think the loop is a little bit better look. I've never taken my now. It stayed in their sense. Got It back Nicholas Thompson. You're in the comment section last question your known as the Best Rapper in the AFC one. Are you cutting that tyron. Woodley distract across the entire road should go back and forth with a little bit of a battle. You know. It's not really my style to throw this out there. Plus what am I going to say to Tyron Woodley. He's GonNa bring up the fact that nobody he's been a world champ and this and that so it's Kinda hard to do that but making let's see who can make the better song better track down for that. What if a fighter like Leon Edwards called out time Woodley for like? He's like for his rap game if someone did that to you. Would you try and make distract distract on an opponent psych amount. Yeah that's an option. That's that's a good. That's a good look right there. I think that I would definitely look to do that if he was really talking. Trash about the rap game. Maybe I would walk out to that song to. That's what I was GONNA say. Would you ever try to walk out to one your songs. Yeah I gotTa do that for sure. Man I don't know why haven't done that yet. Because I feel like the announcers would probably say like hey telezapper. He's walking out to his old music now. And that would help build my rap game. I think it would. I would be interested in if the UC cuts any of it. Because I don't know if Darren Stewart fought Doron win in Boston and he walked out out to a song by English rapper called bonkers. And as the song's called Habib time and the Intro to the song is like Habib saying like Sand Location Brooklyn Las Vegas Posco. Whatever and he did that because drawn win is Habib's teammate? And the UC cut that out of the INTRO. They didn't play it. That's weird that Darren Stewart's like they just hate aide Englishman. That was his only response. Yeah it would have been there last thing. Ryan Chan joins us. Yeah boy. This man's guillotine is sick. Made him tap with his feet. We made a tap dance baby. That's the first time that's happening. Yeah that was the first time. It was bizarre because I I didn't realize trapped his arm with my leg legs and the other was in there. Too stuck you know what I mean so I felt like Psalm. The Matt and I was like what is that what Sean on. The only the only the other time I'd seen that is when Bellavia has tapped. Tim Elliott in Baltimore that's when he's had the Anaconda and he'd made Tim Elliott Hands. We're stuck but they were. He was was like flat on his back so he was like flying. Low around like a kid throwing a Tantrum but we are out of time and of course Promo Time Brian. The floor is yours. Whatever you I wanna say what could I say other than team crystal? Oh No. It's not pirate monetary benefits and and I go in. I win the FI. Finish I get to get the bonus. I I find out my contract which only puts me in a position to make more monetary on a terry income to renegotiate so shout out to team Crystal Jose P Carroll much love. I'm sure pizza. Cal is taking some time away from his lovely expedition through Amsterdam to watch this. It was an absolute pleasure to have you on my promo. I'll just plug. My Co.. Co Co workers. Work Casey Nassar be in at the ballot or card. I think we're GONNA have someone in Raleigh. I'm not one hundred percent for fight night. But that's those are two awesome cards and then who knows where all ended up after. Hopefully hopefully I'll be at the Brooklyn card and maybe we can do one of these in person. Or if you're not on the Brooklyn car which I hope we can do one of these in person. Yeah I'm down man. Let's do it well for Jose. That's Brian on this side. I would say shutout your instagram and stuff. But it's in the lower third below you already so you could follow Brian in his instagram is below. I think it's Brian Boom one thirty five right. Correct Jose right there stick around on the page. You can watch all all of our fun things. We actually had a really long twenty minute interview with Joseph. Ben Evita's talking about the Oscars of all things so you can watch that later on but we'll see you next week maybe pizza carols back. I'm sure Brian will be back. He's back in the win. Column hopefully gets that fat new contract but for Jose. That's Bryan out.

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UFC 250 Preview Show

The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani

14:29 min | 2 months ago

UFC 250 Preview Show

"You're listening to medium on network. UFC is right back at it right back to the UFC apex tomorrow night for UFC two fifty headline by Amanda Nunez. Who looks to make some more history in her story? As she defense featherweight title against the number one contender Felicia Spencer. What's going on? Everybody might hear FEMA FIGHTING DOT com. This is the official you have C. Two fifty preview show virtually alongside Jose Young's who is in Las, Vegas Jose. You've gone from. Jacksonville the Las Vegas I believe this will be your fifth event covered since the UFC is return to action during this cove nineteen pandemic, we got a title in the. The main event tomorrow night featuring the greatest women's fighter of all time against a gritty tough contender, the Bantamweight Division is going to be showcased. We have some fascinating story lines. This is one of those events Jose. At least in my opinion that early on the feeling was. This card was sort of an but I feel that people are starting to realize that there's a lot to like on. This card is or not. I love this card I, mean people complaining comment sections and online social media, and in parts of me like. This sucks. I'm like y'all crazy like the greatest female of all time is fighting in the main event looking to make history, and then there's a lot of uh, specifically a lot of really high level bantamweight fights against former champions, former title challengers future tiled title challengers, so yeah I I really like this fight card as a whole. People complaining about last week or I. Get talking about next week I. Get like this fight. I I really liked this. Five people are just awesome like you start off used to forty nine on the greatest guards ever put together, and then you got a couple of fights. People offset complaining. The next pay per view is not on the same level to forty nine, because that's almost impossible to do month-to-month but I. I've thoroughly like this card. Type of thing happens every year by the way endemic or not, but let's start with the main event for tomorrow night. We got pretty in depth on this fight on the debut episode between the links on Tuesday which you can go, check out on this page or wherever you're listening to this right now, but let's talk into dude as Jose. She's done it all to this point. Point but she has the chance to do something that no other fighter in UFC history as ever done, and that's successfully defend multiple titles in multiple weight classes while holding those titles simultaneously, and just saying that seems like a lot to process, but she has a tougher test in front of her. The most people are giving credit to your thoughts. J. Before this women's featherweight title fight. I. Mean I'm still picking a man to win was the greatest female fight of all time I know our own case. Delight in his on record saying he thinks Spencer. We'll win but I think Amanda. Her Media Day when she's like everyone has holes I'm human so she is fully aware of what her weaknesses are, and the fact that she's like her cancer very structured towards her opponent so especially down there at att so fact when I heard that I was like she knows. That, there are weaknesses. She knows Spencer strengths by into those weaknesses I would have to imagine. Because she was supposed to fight. What lasts like last month? And now she gets another month to train I would imagine she's worked a lot on filling those those gaps in her. I would have to favor man as If wins I, that's. The Background mixed with some very heavy topics, excellent ground pound, and some some some some great grappling I, she has more than just a punchers chance against the greatest fighter of all time we talk about a man and Nunez silly. We about pound for pound list, and I'm generally not a big fan of these conversations, because it's so subjective, and you can look at it and so many different ways, but if a man of Nunez does defeat Felicia Spencer tomorrow night retains the title, and an adds to that legacy. Where does that put her on that list? In your opinion, it's it would depend on how she does it if she squeaks out like. A lackluster decision which I don't think GonNa Happen then. That's a conversation that we're GONNA have to. She just goes out there and acts kicks fleeces. Spencer knocks her dead. In the first thirty seconds could be another conversation, but then again probably know you get like Gusta John Jones where she looks. She looks human in the first two rows, and then guts it out and pulls out the big win at the end, and then we're talking about one of the great, the greatest fighters of all time, not just male or female so I. She's already in my mind. The grays female fight of all time I think. There's a very clear argument that she's top ten ever in USC, history. especially considering, she's being an, she's beating them, but she's a cam coming off a decision against remainder random, and you said it yourself or very like immediate thoughts on fighters like she. She's she she didn't. She knocked out I home. She knocked out Kris Cyborg and she's fought remainder enemy to. Like nuts. Ugali nuts. If that's how you're thinking, so it depends on how she wants after Saturday. What I did want to add about this fight because people complain about the main event, but I did have someone message me on Instagram the other day, and this individual told me that it's not the fight itself. He's looking at negatively. It's the fact that Felicia Spencer is in this spot so early in her career, and if she goes out and gets beat or Scott like you said. We're finished like this. Will stunt her evolution and growth in a big way before it really gets going. Do you subscribe to that theory at all? No, well. How many fights is dominic? Right has had. His career. How well look what he did it against John? Jones, like come on like this. It's I. Don't Comorros man has far less fights than horror Mazal and look at. He's champing. Already become within doesn't have a ton of fights under He's been fighting in the OC for a long time, but he debuted fairly early answers, Chris or no I don't subscribe to that like Phillies. Spencer is the rightful number who else would get this title shot at one forty five. Five Begin Anderson's the only other one and Phillies Spencer beat her, and not only just beat. Her stopped her like Felicia Spencer, Falker. cyborgs decisions like sued you want. That's bad for your health and she. She came out Not She wants. Yes, she got beat up. She wasn't she got Lotta fans from that a lot of momentum, so no, I. Don't subscribe to that whatsoever. Thought it was a different question in a different theory. That I've seen in regards to this fight throughout this process, but we moved to the CO main event, which has a lot of people still scratching their heads. You have cody Garbrandt. The former UFC bantamweight champion is returning after fifteen months away from the octagon to take on. Now the reason people aren't thrilled. This is the Co main abandoned because of the before it Algerian Sterling Corey San Hagan. That's definitely a number one contender fight I have to say. Zeh and I'm not sure how you feel about it but wall. I agree at sterling versus San Hagan should absolutely get that shine. Cody Garbrandt had to tell me and other members of the media yesterday at the virtual media. Day. I'm much more in on this than I was maybe a week or so. I mean honestly to if. There a ball Pfizer, three rounds. I don't think matters where they their place on the card yet on paper and optically you being the Co main event is a bigger deal you on the poster in everything about you take Algebra, Sterling Corey San hanging care. They're going to win and the winner will fight for a title that is much more porn whether they fight the first or the event still three rounds still core saying hey, sterling's depends on when they fight so. Sure I'm. Honestly. I would rather have San, Diegan, sterling headline next week, and then I, could be the Coleman event, so I get it. But cody. GARBRANDT. Former champion is very popular of the four stirling San Hagen Garbrandt and a son so I would comfortably say cody garbrandt is the most recognizable most popular amongst the fan so about deserving undeserving. I. I don't think it doesn't. It's not as big of a deal to me as other people are making it. Here's one thing. People are concerned about because the UFC can sometimes do you have see things and you and I we talk about this all time. We don't like to look into the future, but I feel. How has the top five of this division for a long long time? He is fought pretty much. Everybody at this point, cody Garbrandt. Like you said is one of the big stars as division still has the potential to beat even bigger star I'm not asking for specific matchups, per se, but where does the winner go from here in the grand scheme of things at one thirty five, and is there any chance back to the concern that the winner can jump the queue with an impressive performance? Jump the queue I would say. No. As Dana was pretty adamant at the scrummage, just had with him that he was like as a number contender. He's like yeah, now, contender. Yana Aldo and fight, but then like you've got Moore as like. The winner could find Marlin or Cruz, all centre-back, frank yet or supposedly back so literally take any one of those bands I just named whoever's not fighting, fight the winner of the Communist or cody Garbrandt even dropping onto flyway, so it doesn't even it wouldn't even matter at that point who he fights a one thirty five so like you're telling me you would wanNA. Watch our renaissance out or like cody. Cody garbrandt Tom Cruise part two the headline of a fight night or our color Garbrandt Marla mores like all those fights, so the Bantamweight Division is so so excellent right now that I don't. It's I. It's one of the most top heavy divisions right now in terms of clutter, but I kinda like many tournament. We're having a not to mention like I'm sure we'll talk later. There's a lot of other high level bands may on the lear on the night to. Yeah. Of course we have to talk about sterling versus an Hague and this is the fight that everyone has seemed a circle. Everyone seems to have their on and for good reason. Obviously, there's a lot on the line here. Despite sells itself. You don't need us to to sell four you, but asides all that this is a really interesting fight what sticks out to you the most when you hear Algebra, sterling versus Corey San Diego. This is of course. Higgins is basically a prototype. Next evolution, a dominant crews like his foot work is striking. His is overall fight. IQ is so sharp he's. Cat So Directly Mild, but he's. He's made a note. was his favorite fighter to watch and. Sterling has been in the AFC for a long long time, and he always wanted one of those those big title fight so I'm viewing this as Adema unbelievable on the ground like he has some of the NASTIEST. Oaks in the world, elite, wrestling, and yeah, he's been dead by model, but Corey San Hagen versus. I take out title implications takeout. Coleman vans made events. Whatever all watch these two spar. This is just a high level. Martial arts competition that happens to be inside of an. I don't care if it's for the title or call main event number one contender whatever I just WanNa. See these guys fight, 'cause. It's so high level. I love this fight a lot as everybody watching. Listening to this loves this fight as well. There's a lot of fights on the car that are really really good, so for the for the sake of time Jose because they're going to get kicked out of there shortly. Let's dive a little bit deeper per usual. It's time for the under the radar fight of the night heading into tomorrow. Well going into this I would have to say the sugar. Sean and Eddie. Wild card but fight, but because sugar Shawn's by tablets, like one of those future, not just like big deals like superstar that the US's putting the machine behind the Conor McGregor is the arouses and everything for instance guidance, but I mean. Ryan Keller has has to be the everyone's talking about renowned Mya Kelleher. This is the second fight and a handful of weeks is obviously for a long time coast, the of side it's. Me and him share affinity for the Tigers I crystal then stamen story of the passing of his brother, and deciding to fight through it has really. Like. I was really into this fight before, but now. That is a lot of emotion in bags to carry into into professional. Kelleher name kind of made this fight on twitter before. Keller's last go after I get through. Azure I'll fight you next and LO and behold. That's what happened so. Yeah, it's it's gotta be a little emotional when that fight happened. I'm going to have to circle that one as if people looking for storyline to attach to and latch onto stamen. Kelleher is has has all the makings of like waterworks. After that one. Yeah, I, definitely agree with you on Stayman, obviously coming in with a very heavy heart against Brian Kelleher, who is on a roll right now plus share in the car with Sean o'malley, which makes things. Things more interesting I know with with the matchup. o'malley's is a little more intrigued a little more fascinated with how it goes down. Maybe Kelleher is on his radar after all if he can keep the street going but to me juicier for Megan versus Alex Perez, what an awesome fight! That is one hundred twenty five year old. That is completely under the radar buried on the prelims as their own, Casey lied, and said during the way show and. With everything that happened yesterday and I was looking forward to this fight anyways Ian I was on the card off the card and replaced by Anthony Ivy, then as their own demon Martin reported last night. He's back on the card against Gerald near Chartres I. Don't remember ever seeing something like this happened forty eight hours before if I were a guy was in out and back in especially with with with cove, nineteen pandemic, going on in fact I'm going to be speaking with Jaromir shot in a in a little while to see where his head is that after all this mayhem? This is such a such a wild story Jose. Is Welcome to twenty twenty. People talking about like like quality of video and people getting in the way the cameras on like this is this is twenty twenty. This is the the UFC amidst pandemic and a movement that is is as much more is above and beyond sports at this point so Yeah, welcome to the welcome to the world. Jose I assume another. Kobe test in isolation away you right? Yes, I got to get there I. Think six forty five am tomorrow. Take my I think it would be my fifth Cova test. Last month's covering Yo. See Fights and then. Quarantine inside a hotel room. You named it. Well we appreciate all of your hard work is always sir. We will have obviously to fifty coverage throughout the event, and after the event with our post fight coverage, we'll have you covered across the board over here at fighting DOT com. That's sad. We're putting a bow. Another preview show for Jose I m Mike. Appreciate Avi. Guys watching this and we will see you tomorrow night. You're listening to me on network.

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Stacy Kelleher: Philadelphia Eagles Director of Production  Work In Sports Podcast

The Work in Sports Podcast - Insider Advice for Sports Careers

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Stacy Kelleher: Philadelphia Eagles Director of Production Work In Sports Podcast

"Prior Hey everybody I'm Brian Glad. VP of content and engage learning working sports dot com. And this is the work in sports podcast. It's it's funny. I've spent my entire career creating sports content. When you create someone else is always the focus the athlete interview subject to school the team? Your focus is away from you. That's the way it's supposed to be and that is the way I was taught coming up at it. CNN All of our reporters and anchors were true journalists. Who knew the story was never about them? It was always about their subject. You'll see see this difference sometimes when you watch your local network sports. They so often inject themselves into the stories. You know. Watch me. Play a game a horse with Chris Paul coming up but eleven. Check me out trying to throw discus with gold medal winner. Christoph harding coming up at six. This always drove me nuts. The story is never supposed was to be about you. That's my personal belief and the one that I have held near and dear as I was the news director at Fox sports northwest when my anchor asked one night can we do a live poll on tonight. Show asking what the fans think of my new haircut and yes this did actually happen. I had to initiate emergency deep breathing breathing techniques before calmly saying I don't think that's in the best interest of the audience. The reason I bring this up is because I ask so many of my guests to step out of their comfort zone and become the focus when they are so often trained to think otherwise. You know when I speak to somebody like a NFL NFL super agent. Lee Steinberg well. He's polished he's used to being in front of the microphone talking about himself. But when I grab the BUSA FROM ESPN or Bryan Killingsworth CMO August Golden Knights or tr Brown manager of social responsibility for the Charlotte Hornets. They aren't used to this questioning. And this focus. Which is why I really appreciate appreciate their honesty and insight so much? Today's guest is a lot like me. Stacey Kelleher is director of production for the Philadelphia Eagles. She's paid to create analyze and critique content. It is literally her job to think nope not good enough not up to our standards. We need to do better so when the spotlight is on her. It's a little different. But Stacy's a pro's pro. She nailed it despite telling me often. How uncomfortable comfortable? She was prior to come into the eagles. She spent six years with Ohio state. Athletics as the big ten production manager meeting. She hired a ton of student interns and volunteers volunteers to help run their event production. She knows a lot about resumes. Cover letters interviewing and the incredible life of working in sports television production. She nailed it. Let's get into it. I want you to hear all this great insight and information here. She is Philadelphia Eagles Director of production. Stacey Kelleher Hi Stacy how are you doing today. I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you. So thank you for coming on the show. It's a cool world of sports industry that you're a part of especially early with your background at Ohio State and now with the Philadelphia Eagles so I some of the pond before we get into all that before we get into your career at some of the things you've done. I stumbled mold upon an article. You wrote a couple years ago on cover letters and I found myself agreeing with everything. You're saying Oh yes totally. I'm with you death awesome So let's start with that. You've reviewed a lot of resumes over your career. Why do you think the cover letter is so important? And why so many young inexperienced people mess up up this process. Yeah so I wrote that during a time of frustration while I was at Ohio seat working in the Athletic Department I was managing changing the big ten network student. You program so You know hiring four or five students at a time like three times a year Even more than that sometimes died. Because there's so much turnover students graduating So we really worked hard to get. We wanted to get the best talent new talent in there and I was frustrated because because I didn't care about their resumes at that point because they didn't have any very at so I was looking for a cover letter to kind of show me their potential not not necessarily what they've already done And some people wouldn't have one or some people would just mail it in and send me like this outline So I just I. I thought it was like the most important thing for them to do and they weren't doing it Just you know. I wanted to give people a chance. And if they didn't take the time to apply to the job and time into a cover letter hard for me to see their potential. Yeah totally so what were some of those cover letters that you did see that. They helped they stood not like what did you what made you read one. Go okay. This person they've got it right and I'm noticing them stealing their vibe. What could somebody take away from that what did you what did you pick up? I think it's a lot of like telling me why they want the job without explicitly saying you know seeing that they're a good writer because everything and sports basically you have to be a good the writer Just being able to articulate to me why they wanted the job and even there are a lot of students hired. That didn't even WANNA go into. Sports is a career career. They just wanted this job in college and they did a good job of telling me why like maybe there was nothing on their resume that led them down this this you know path breath of sports journalism or anything like that but they told me like I'm really into I was part of the team in high school and I really WanNa feel that you know adrenaline rush again of live sports production so just not like little touch of Bragging about their their themselves and what they can do you for our teams. I loved one line. You had in the article about about hiring. It's being exciting but also grueling. I think that's a really important. The thing for people to realize is that I know when I was a news director at Fox sports northwest. I had the very same experience. You'd start out like all pumped up. I'm going to get a new person in here. They're going to change our culture going to bring in this skill set. It's going to be awesome and then by the twenty-fifth resume or phone call. You're like oh my gosh. Everybody sounds exactly the same and so I've always kind of felt felt like people in their cover letter. That was really opportunity to tell me a story to to sell me something about them outside of their resume at a time. They overcame an issue or handle injection degree. Those kind of things that kind of stand out to you or do you like it to be a little bit more buttoned up in professional. Now I agree I definitely thank shine. A little bit of personality is important I think it is keep in mind. What a cover letter is supposed to do? And what it is a tool then you get a good cover letter I you know. I don't definitely don't like a template Biden professionalism but also if you go a little bit too far the other way it kind of becomes something that I I don't need but if you keep in mind what it's for then you kind of end up with a really good you know picture into who you could be. As as a not member for them I think like thinking about one time I wrote a cover letter and it just felt really good after I wrote it and I read it back and like it's because I'm talking about want to work in sports not necessarily You know just trying to be creative for the sake of of being creative that being said I do think it's very important to keep it business letter style and you know. Give me all the information I need in there as well for sure. it's awesome. It's great advice advice and I love to have actionable advice. That comes out of this. I know we're off to a good start because that's going to be the kind of thing that everybody can listen to and put to work changed their cover letter technique little bit so thank you. I'm sure we'll get into that subject again. We'll get into that so with some depth. But let's get into you a little bit. You went to release small school wheeling Jesuit University. But you've also worked at a really large school in Ohio state. What are you kind of see as the pluses and minuses of each experience? If you had to go back again would you stay small. Aw Or do you like that That big size for your education camp interesting I I've worked at a lot of small schools And my husband is actually college college. Football coach Division schools and been involved with those and then like you said being Ohio State. So I think I've I've seen like the best of both worlds and for me coming out of a very very very small high school. I didn't think I could handle the overwhelming nature of big school That being said a lot if people from my class did go onto big schools At wheeling Jesuit I was able to have very small class sizes and feel that kind of family environment. Airman you get from the small school Good bad or indifferent. It's it is what it is or your family And Ohio State. It was big overwhelming overwhelming. And I think they're kind of more than they are different in that. When I was at wheeling Jesuit I had friends from many different majors background? Because you know you really don't have a choice there. There's a limited amount of people around you and it took me a little bit of time to find you know where I belong on campus and where I belonged. I found that that place Athletic Department and I met a couple of other people who you know are just it's like me In that aspect and I see about at Ohio state when I would hire students then who had their group maybe it was people. They met freshman year and their sorority or fraternity But when they came into our group and started working with us they felt at home and they found their their small pot. If you will you know so it's it's it's definitely different Obvious part of you know being in a big school and a small school. But I think they're more like and I think that it's the people at Ohio states that make it feel small So the the cons to a small school you might not have the benefits of selecting saying different a diverse amount of classes in your major. Because there's just not that many offerings In Ohio state maybe your classes are too big league but it Ohio state they have those really awesome professors and people in the Athletic Department that can kind of bring in small groups of people together there and and make you feel like you've found your place in life you know. Oh so true. And I think it's a good message for everybody to remember is that it always comes down to you as a person like it's not about about school big small opportunity no opportunity. It's about you it's about the drive that you put into it. You're going to get a great internship and experience whether you go to a small school or a big school if you put the F.. Yes internships are are super important. As I'm sure you guys talk about all the time on this podcast but also I think to the point of your your last question what I do it differently Being unwilling Jesuit has made me unique candidate for jobs On their philosophy of education and the judge has always been a well rounded individuals also took a lot of different classes. Outside of my major and our Education philosophy was always to serve others so I have kind of based my leadership philosophy on during others which makes me different? I think than than another candidate which may be a better fit. You know somebody who went to a giant school and had a ton up different opportunities. You know they made it makes it better in a different role that I wouldn't cut it so it's just like you said before making yourself stand out in a different way. I love this okay. Let's leaning into into this a little bit more one of the things. I hear all the time when I talked to people on this podcast people that are in charge of hiring people that are at sea level people that are mid mid managers. Whatever it is you ask them the question say so what do you look for? If you're if you have three hundred people applying for a job. How do you find the right people? And they'll always list off these soft skills work ethic passion Blah Blah Blah and. I'm always like well. How do you find that in a resume and cover letter and we keep going round and round in certain ways but you you hit on a keyword there talking about leadership and what you were able to learn wheeling Jesuit? How has that kind of transcribed itself into your career that ability to feel like you're a leader and and how have you been able to sell yourself in that way so I think it took me a very long time to find my leadership philosophy if you will Maybe I always kind of knew it was hard to formalize it and that really came I actually got my master's from Gonzaga. Different Jesuit school I I took a class on servant leadership and that kind of clicked for me and then working with the students that Ohio state and thinking about you know why am I. Why am I doing what I'm doing? Who is it for? What's my motivation? And I can't always the answer was always the people working for me to make them better better so that our products better so that I can go and say we have the best in the big ten It's the student athletes performing giving them a good product. Their parents at home So really it always came back to serving and then a quick for me like I learned that it willing Jesuit So I think being able to articulate articulate. You know the way you are as a leader is super important to employers as well because it's something that people don't typically sit and think about before they ah go into an interview it's so true and what a great perspective to think that way. I know that when I was first graduating. I didn't think that big so Kudos to you. For Looking at trying to analyze digest what is leadership mean. And how can I exemplify this and kind of tracking it all back together. That's impressive your major. Let's get into you. A little deeper are your major wasn't communications same May and early on in your career. You're in media relations sports information before getting into the video production world when and how did would you kind of figure out okay. This is my lane. This is where I want to push further in my career. Well I don't know about you but I went to college thinking I was going to be the on air. I think communications and I'M GONNA be the next Tamraz next Erin Andrews You L. Like yeah I'm really horrible on Camera Learned very fast not to be on camera. That's for sure But yeah I I really liked like I said when I was involved in the athletic department I really liked the stats and the game. Note So I wanted to kind kind of dive more into the the the nerdy fight of it After I realized I didn't want to be on camera. And I got an internship with the wheeling Naylor's there in wheeling ailing and did some work there and then with the pirates and their media relations department. I I really loved the work. I was doing And I just kept saying involved solved athletic department. I was streaming Basketball Volleyball What else did we do any any indoor sport really we would stream dream for our fans and my professor Don Watson? He taught a bunch of classes and volunteered on the weekends to do that. That's streaming so when I left and took a job at a another small school provide co- college in North Carolina I kept in touch with him. Because because you don't make a lot of money in sports when you first get out sorry to soak him listen her thinking they're gonNA. Yeah so I. It was a very very entry level position so I knew that I wouldn't be there long. It was just the nature of it so I told him if anything opened up. And what do you know he called me and had a job opening back at my alma mater so I I took it because it just seemed like a natural next DAB. I felt comfortable there already and I guess during those three years I really realized that my skills were more Video Oh then then the writing or PR media relations side so it was a fun jury. I I can't take credit for figuring it out myself or give anyone any advice rather than other than just you know dealing doing what you're interested in and having a lot of networking contact that can give you opportunities and diverse field. The video thing kind of just happened happened to me and I fell in love with it. That's the thing is being. That's the the exact power of internships and entry level jobs and staying open minded to them all and that you're gonna get exposed to different things and figure out where you fit so it's really cool okay. So for six years you were the big ten networks production manager based in Ohio state as we kinda referenced earlier their tone of events each year. What was the thrust of your role while? You're a big ten network. So yeah we had a lot of events I don't even remember the exact numbers but we had thirty six sports that We've covered in in some way and our department and I was specifically in charge of the big ten network Bt and plus streaming so oh we had Students who ran all of that so I hired the students and train them organized He's is known brand point of contact for every every sport we would be streaming and I really grew in that role And that I became a leader. It's like we talked about earlier and it opened my eyes to like a lot of different jobs in sports just being at Ohio state. How you know the? There's a job for everybody buddy in the athletic department there there's lawyers there's Athletic trainer whose play just I had exposure to a lot of different different things. There it really I was Yeah managing managing the TV production side of things for the Athletic Department. So you mentioned you mentioned that you managed a lot of students and I have to imagine that being a huge challenge because we all know students no offense to anybody listening but students aren't always the most responsible you know. I'm sure that we're more than a a few occasions. Where somebody maybe he didn't show up or any of those kind of things you know when you're depending on them was kind of the biggest thing though as you that you learned about not only hiring and identifying to find people who were serious and had attention to detail and all that but then also managing them through a process as robust television production? There's a lot of nuance. There's a lot of intricacies Kasese. That's not an easy thing to get people from zero to one hundred ready to produce a broadcast. Yeah I definitely learned patience during my time there and I love every single student. That came through During my time there but they will admit that they also taught me. Patience I I really think the biggest thing was like letting them go. And Trust that your process that you laid in place will survive survive even if they mess up. Let them make their mistakes No one to speak up and step in to make sure they don't make a mistake but let them make that the steak and in a good way so that they learn from it I think in hiring those students we had a lot of that. Didn't that didn't work out. And that that was the one benefit of being able to hire a lot and just see who kind of who kind of worked out And who maybe it doesn't stay very long So in looking at those candidates like I said the cover letter insurance and personality and then you talk to some students that you just you just got it. They knew what working in sports says about say weren't showing up just because they were a fan and wanted to go to a football game for free. They understood you know what we're trying to do for our fans and for the student athlete and You know the maturity. It was always something we would look for as well. Well Yeah for sure. That's hard thing to measure but you figure out pretty quickly at imagine last year you join the Philadelphia Eagles as director of production. How would you character? Is the differences between working for a pro sports team and a college athletic program. Is there a great difference. Yeah there's a lot less of that is I as I mentioned You know but it's there's a lot less events but with the NFL in the tent. Pole events like the draft after and OTA's. I'm training camp. There's the stakes are higher. So while I might not have twelve events this weekend for for Softball Baseball Cross. During the spring I may have the draft and the shows were going to put on the content. We're GONNA bring the stakes are a lot hire. Our fans are you know a lot. More passionate I sniff shouldn't say that they're not more passionate than Ohio state fans. They are looking to us for different things In Ohio State your number one viewer is always the potential recruit or student athlete. I always have that in the forefront of my mind ochre and everything we did because that's really what keeps. That's the lifeline for your program is getting the best curtain for all of those thirty six sports to my audience was recruits and then the current student athletes families. And then it would be our fanned and In the pros your fans are your audience. And that's whom you're trying to appeal to so I think it's really a different completely different audience dance and it's also different. A different tastes where colleges more constant you know August through Oriole May and NFL is very big events that you want to be very diligent and thorough in covering. How long did it take? So you've been with the Eagles for about a year now. How long did it take you to really understand the fan base? And what makes them tick and what they're most interested in or really diagnosed. How best to speak feet to them? Yeah I turned on. I was still living in Columbus and I turned on the tune in or something and listen to some philly. Talk Radio Silent. I went totally. They're they're very passionate fans Very tough and you don't fight against thought you kind of just embrace it and You you go with that. A lot of our our best numbers for our post game shows for the eagles are after a big loss. Lost Because People Wanna come somewhere and found off and here when other people are saying about it but the upside to that is at the end of the season when our team started doing amazing things they were. I mean the most amazing fan base getting behind the team and being football savvy enough to know everything that was going on And we just try to. We just try to feed them the content that they want. They can't get enough We put out podcast almost every day a week. And they don't want more so we're and our goal is just get them as much how much off content XS and OS content on. Can't anything really but again would want we want to be there. One popper that the eagles obviously have a massive following super bowl champions and it still pains me to say that because I'm from Boston game still echoes in my memory. But what are your goals. How would you identify your goals as you develop the production and entertainment plans for the future? For how how does this brand look to you in the future. How do you engage with the fans? How does all this come together for you and your goals for the future? Yeah so our senior vice president John Cavanaugh. She's been really big on pushing us to be more progressive and what we do as Eagles Entertainment. Amen and Eric Wong who's our VP of content and production. My boss. He is great with kind of Putting putting a plan together are for us and helping us all together under him. We have So I'm I'm under Eric. And then we have a director of digital and social else. who also under Eric and the director of digital technology? Though all three of us are kind of working together to be on the forefront of the NFL NFL and what kind of content we're putting out for for my position in particular in the production side of things. We are finding like podcast to be a really big AAC emphasis. Because it's as as you know I'm preaching to the choir school. I love this part. Yeah Yeah Yeah it just you know. It's it's being open minded to to new things and not just Sticking with the cookie cutter Things we used to do in the past it because things are obviously changing so while we have our fan base that will always be there for us no matter what our big goal right now is to what happened to eagles fans everywhere not just Philadelphia and not just you know our current fan base but we offer content that brings people in who. Maybe don't have an allegiance and the NFL or maybe don't like football at all. And they see how much off feature on one of our players are alumni and they've become eagles fan Because of something might be without okay so I love that and I wanna I WANNA ask a follow up. Their fans are definitely everywhere. which in a way is kind of this double edged sword there everywhere physically and they're everywhere digitally no matter where you are in the country? You're gonNA find an eagles fan no matter what platform you're on. You're going to find an eagles fan. You know summer on twitter on instagram. There's on youtube watching broadcast channels. How do you make sure you're touching all those fans where they are and you're tailoring the content towards each platform and away but you're also exposing the brand new fans and building more people? I mean that seems like a pretty daunting challenge. How do you go about that? Yeah like I mentioned before. Our other directors Thursday. Help a lot with that Sam In on social team and on ten may there's like our digital technology APP website They they all help with like getting our content out. There in different ways for APP is very progressive And how we're offering that up and I think just just just being able to work together. The three of us we put together a really good plan and workflow to get things to the right platform. Because I might put together my team I put together a really really great video feature that we think is awesome. It's great content but if we put it around platform Might not get too many eyeballs on it so we really work together in the onset of a project to make sure that we're putting out out something that makes sense for every part of that process So Sam works with us on how long things should be worried. They'll get posted What players were using for certain things you know? They're on our social channels all the time gauging the the climate of our fan and base and the town that we should be putting out so just being able to rely on on other people and not thinking I have all the answers working with others. It has been really important partner to US getting the right contact to the right people at the right time. I like how you talked about content. That was helmets off. You know. I love that phraseology to say like no we want to understand the human underneath the helmet which I love. It's true fans are more connected to the athletes than ever before. Like you can tweet somebody. WHO's a professional athlete and get them to respond? Then that's crazy. I mean we never had that kind of accessibility before. How important is it for you? Guys as a production team to into that part to lead into the athletes personalities and humanize humanize them for the crowd and make them into real people rather than just objects. How important is that? I mean that's the number one thing we tried to do. We try to serve up as much of that content. AH WE CAN Dance can't get enough of it. It's I mean we do podcasts interviews. We'll do features that are more in depth will Trying try to Sam and her team. We'll try to tap into more Easy social media ways of of tapping into that. These guys are sharing stuff on on their own you know Carson wentz charity baby announcement. That was one of our top posts of the year. We shared that You know Jason Kelsey. His wife had a baby and they shared that and we share that on our channels as well and that was one of our top performing Posts as well. So it's just it's it's amazing That we hadn't had this in the past you know growing as you mentioned growing up. I had some favorite players and I I would. I'd love to know this stuff about them that we can offer fans now it. It's a very social media is an amazing tool to be able to do that. And we'll offer that stuff up as much if we can. That's our number one goal opportunities for sure. You also mentioned in there which I appreciate. Is that you you work with your team. And the other people that are in your department and you're thinking ahead I think a lot of people think of content and even production as reacting in the moment and yet it sounds like you guys put a a Lotta strategy into. How long should be? What platform should we put it on? How do we want to approach this athlete? How much thinking strategizing? You put into mapping things out for the a year versus kind of reacting in the moment is something happens always we always have a roadmap for everything in that always changes But it's important to be ahead of things and have you know. There are some things that are gonNA happen that we can't predict like I don't know if you notice this year but are most of our roster Develop some sort of injury or throughout the year so we had practice squad guys playing in the playoffs for us which was amazing and we we leaned into that a little bit We wouldn't it definitely changed from the beginning of the year but having that roadmap already you know in mind and is essential in developing Things on the fly. So you know we we may be able to predict half of what is GonNa Happen. And you know it's like we know The Hall of fame and outfit last week. We knew that was coming. We didn't know if our guy was going to bake it. He was on the list. So we're prepared for that the and you know other pieces that maybe he doesn't make the hall of fame. Harold Carmichael When in last week maybe he doesn't make it but then we saw these really cool pieces put out an another time But he did make it and we had all of this content. You know ready to go on the shelf And men during the season we have interviews. We do on a weekly basis with coach Peterson. Who maybe if it's a loss it's not you can't use like a at the same interview needed last week after he won but we know we're getting him we now we have to plan it so thinking ahead as much as possible always important? This is so great and I appreciate you giving us so much time. I want to finish up with this as you progress in your career and as you kind of look back on what you've accomplished what advice would you give to someone who's really thinking about a career in sports production. Are there certain things that you've picked up from mentors along the way or just things that you've learned that have really setting you apart. There are certain things that come to mind I think just being open minded and working really hard is is kind of where where I see myself. where I got lucky and where I worked hard definitely obvious to me and when I say I got lucky I would open minded to different different opportunities like we talked about before Worked really hard so that people at Ohio state or willing jesuits all my work ethic and would recommend commend me to somebody And I think just not feeling entitled to anything is is really big as well. Because you're there's a good chance you're going to start out working working really hard in the minor leagues or in a small market Not Making a lot of money and you may think your skill set should be used at a bigger and better place place but that doesn't come right away so being willing to do the work and People will start to respect you. Just be ready to work a lot of hours. I and You know giving up some of your holidays and sometimes friends wedding because sports are three sixty five. That is for sure will thank you so much for coming on the show Stacey and I'll even give you a fly. Eagles fly in there. Just even though that came to me a little bit too because I do live in the Philadelphia area myself so I have to hear it all the time and my kids are Dipa Mbarga with it so I might as well just embrace a little bit of thank you for coming on and talking to us more about your career with the eagles. Thank you thank you so much big. Thanks to Stacey for coming on the show and putting the spotlight on herself. I know it can be an awkward feeling. Sometimes when you're the one receiving the questions rather than giving them so thanks again to Stacey for coming on and sharing her insight insight. I really love what she had to say about. Cover letters as a missed opportunity by so many people and just herb. Her journey through sports television production. Such it's such an insightful. Viewpoint point that she shared so thank you for listening. Thanks for being on the show please. Rate and review US wherever you listen to subscribe share talk about it be a part the show we love having you and we love the community. So thanks again for listening and everybody yeah.

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