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NXIVM Pt. 2: The Parasite and the Producer

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NXIVM Pt. 2: The Parasite and the Producer

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse, suicide and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was midnight in Albany New York when forty year old Barbara Shea woke up to the sound of somebody frantically knocking on her door. According to CBC, journalist, Josh Block Barbara was stunned to see forty year old. Keith Raniry on the other side. He was crying his words coming in broken fragments as he told her that there was a problem. He'd lost it all fifty thousand dollars. His foolproof investment plan had failed Barbara didn't see how that could be possible. She had joined nexium because Keith was the smartest man in the world still despite her alarm. Tempered her nerves. Fifty thousand dollars was a significant sum, but it wouldn't ruin her, but Keith shook his head. It was more than that they owed the commodities broker. Six hundred thousand dollars Barbara was in shock. They yes Keith said they owed the money because the accounts were in her name, she was the one on the hook for six hundred. Grand Barbara had come from nothing she put. Put herself through college and decades of arduous work. Six hundred thousand dollars was almost half of her life savings, but there was nothing to be done for it. So Barbara ponied up the funds and hoped that would be the end. It wasn't by the time Keith was finished. He bed and lost all one point six million dollars of the money. Barbara worked her entire life to earn. Hi I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa Richardson? And this is colts. Original every Tuesday we look at cults, practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all of the podcast originals for free on spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream cults for free on spotify just open the APP and type colts in the search bar. This is our second episode in a deep dive into A. Cult called nexium. Group made headlines for reportedly physically branding it celebrity, late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves, all to satisfy its narcissistic leader, Keith Rene early in this episode will explore the early days of nexium will detail how and why Keith Ranieri Convinced to billionaire heiresses to join the growing group finally will cover how he manipulated them into spending their fortune on him over the course of the next two episodes will cover. Actress Allison Mack's rise as Keith Ranieri's right hand, woman, and finally will detail Nexia GMS notorious collapse. We've got all this and more coming up. Stay with us. By nineteen, ninety, nine, thirty nine year, old Keith Ranieri had shuttered his first company consumers byline after it was hounded with. Of fraud and his longtime girlfriend forty one year old Tony Tally had finally broken off their relationship for good fed up with abuse, Keith had already moved on. He had a different business game in mind and a brand new woman in his life, Nancy Saltzman with her input. Keith was able to craft executive success, programs or ESP like consumers bind line. ESPN was a multilevel. multilevel marketing company except instead of selling discounted household products Keith. New Venture Sold self-improvement Classes Keith claimed that ESP's technology could coach actresses into delivering Oscar worthy performances athletes into meddling at the Olympics and filmmakers into producing Alfred Hitchcock esque masterpieces. Though Keith wasn't trained in any of these fields, he was the smartest man in the world with a to forty. IQ Furthermore He. He, had Nancy when Nancy met Keith she was already respected in the corporate world for her. supposed- psychological expertise. Her rolodex boasted executives from blue chip companies like CON Edison and American Express Keith was well aware of this when he convinced Nancy to open a business with him. It's likely he expected that. Her deep pool of corporate clients would become ESP's primary user base. Base his hopes were quickly dashed while Nancy's clients respected her insights, one look at Keith's track record of pyramid schemes, and they decided that they wanted nothing to do with the smartest man in the world, fortunately for Keith he was the king of the pivot. He decided that if he couldn't offer high powered executives is self-improvement technology. Then he just go after the combat. The pitch was simple. Everybody wanted something better. Everyone wanted more more success more happiness more of a sense that they were on the right path, doing all the right things Keith provided the promise of this. If people just signed up for his classes, he would offer them the hope of more according to Tony Tallies Book the program Keith. Seductive pitch meant that ESP's first class drew seekers often at a crossroads in their lives and thirsty for exactly the type of knowledge. He seemed to have in spades. They were not easy marks. They were smart. People, whose desire for self improvement was sincere, Keith took their sincerity and charged them up to seven thousand five hundred dollars for his self-improvement, intensive 's which lasted anywhere from five to sixteen days after he had their money safe in hand, class was in session. The very first lesson that ESPN students learned was how to refer to Keith a Nazi. She was called prefect and he vanguard. Journalists Rebecca's son and Scott Johnson road for the Hollywood reporter that Keith adopted the title vanguard from an arcade game, in which the destruction of one's enemies increased ones power in other words, the name functioned as an act of dominance. Once that was accepted, Esp. Students were primed for another type of dominion. It came in the form of colored sashes. Keith impressed upon his students, the importance of hierarchy like Scientology's tea or operating fate and levels ESP's ranking system was set in stone where a student fell in the group was immutable defined by the sashes. Members wore around their necks. A White Sash meant beginner student. Yellow sashes went to students who had paid for enough courses to ascend to coaching level orange sashes went to proctors green to senior proctors all the way up the hierarchy to the so called ethereal Sash, only one ESPN member. Member had improved his character enough to warrant it Keith nearly however he promised his students that with enough lessons day to could progress up the hierarchy to move from one color ranked to the next a student I had earned or stripes on their sash, so where scientology offered its members, the Bridge to clear vanguard gave the students the stripe path to a serial. However, the sash ranking system didn't only provide students with a visual reminder of where they were in their journey to ethereal. Immediately showed them where they stood relative to each other, this was important because I had several rules governing how a lower ranked student was to interact with higher-ups i. there was the special handshake. Normally. Handshakes occur on a lateral plane. The hands are at equal height, but Keith dictated that ESP students or SPN says they sometimes referred to themselves had to put their hand beneath that of a higher rank student whenever there to poems might meet. Secondly there was the idea of paying tribute journalist Michael Friedman wrote for Forbes in two thousand three that when a higher ranking SPN and here's the room lower ranked. SPN's must stand to show respect. They taught to bow to one another and to vanguard. All of Keith's mandated rituals and insignias of rank played a very important role. Vanessa's going to take over unless psychology here and throughout the episode, please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. According to a study led by researcher, non-pki cowed Enberg a sense of an us can emerge in the background of specific actions that individuals performed together by giving his students, a uniform system of dressing and interacting with each other Keith created a sense of an. In other words, he crafted a new group identity. Once students accepted their position as new members of an insular group Keith set about reconstructing their worldview. Keith taught SBN's that the world was divided into two groups of people, parasites and producers. He explained that why all human beings were born parasitic dependent on others for their survival. Some humans remained in the stunted state. They were perennial parasites forever, feeding off the success of others to sustain themselves on the other side of binary. Was the self sufficient producer these? These people were independent and driven enough to earn their success as opposed to leaching it from others as vanguard. The man with the the`Real Sash Keith held himself up as the ultimate producer is, students wanted to leave behind their parasitic state. They would have to throw themselves into ESPN curriculum, wholeheartedly, the core mechanism of this curriculum were explorations of meaning or EM's. During em sessions coach would take a student through an analysis of thought or behavior to find the root cause of the students negative emotional responses once the origin was located usually in a childhood memory or some other formative experience, the coach would help the student diffuse the power of the moment by asking them targeted questions in this way, explorations of meaning were very similar to scientology's auditing sessions. Keith promise that with enough explorations of meaning students. Students would destroy the root cause of the negative emotions holding them back from success in other words, em's would give them effective producer like mindsets. Keith believed that. If everybody had such a mindset, the world would be a better place to that end. He also strongly encouraged students to recruit in fact, recruitment, not self-improvement through explorations of meaning, was the main requirement to move up the stripe path and students were willing to do all of it. They went along with a strict hierarchy, the coerced explorations of oftentimes painful memories and the pressure to recruit all in the hopes that it would help them achieve their wildest dreams. They wanted to be Academy Award winning actresses. They wanted to be successful entrepreneurs. They wanted to be ethereal, so they handed over their time their money and their minds, and just like that thirty nine year old. Keith Rainier as new business was booming. Up Next, ESPN students discover the dark side of self improvement. If, you're a fan of puzzles like me. You will absolutely love the fantastic five-star rated mobile puzzle game best means while it's a casual game. It has thousands of unique puzzles that challenged by brain I really enjoy playing my way through the world of MINUTIAE and like that requires some strategy I prefer gains right need to focus and think and I can do that with best means. I started playing recently, and I'm already up to level thirty three. 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During these classes students we're taught how to resolve their negative emotional impulses to become happier more successful people. They were also strongly encouraged to go out and recruit new students into the fold since he was their vanguard. Keith students did exactly as he asked none more effectively than prefixed herself. In Nineteen, Ninety Nine Nancy encouraged her daughter's nineteen year old. Michelle and twenty year old Lauryn, to try the classes, according to journalist EJ Dixon for Rolling Stone magazine a few years after the SP, Lauren began a sexual relationship with Keith. It's unclear whether her mother was immediately aware of this after seamlessly pulling your family members into ESP. She moved on to recruiting her friends. Nancy convinced acquaintance Barbara Shade to join the group in two thousand. According to an Barbara Bouchet later wrote for Frank Report Dot Com. When the forty year old took her first workshop, she was managing ninety million dollars and grossing nine hundred thousand dollars annually in her job as a financial planner, despite her enviable success Barbara like so many of Esp's early recruits was going through a difficult time in her life Barbara Road for Frank report that at the time her best friend had committed suicide and she had just asked. Asked her husband for a divorce. It's no wonder then that she jumped at the chance to learn how to be happier from the smartest man in the world after taking a couple of ESP classes. Barbara was hooked six months after joining ESP. She had entered into a romantic relationship with Keith. Ranieri however her intimacy with Keith wasn't her sole drought, Esp. She was truly impressed with material and believed that it could change her life. Barbara wasn't alone. In this regard. Several other new recruits felt similarly passionate about Keith's curriculum and soon he was offering intensive in Alaska. Manhattan Seattle, Boston and even Mexico. Edgar boom the son of a wealthy Mexican family I heard of executive success programs while taking a similar self-improvement course called life skills, perhaps seduced by Keith's purported credentials. Edgar decided to give the new program a try according to Tony Tallies book, he quickly took to the classes in part because he was in love with Nancy Salzman Daughter Michelle Thereafter Edgar became one of ESPN recruiters south of the border. He brought in Ana Cristina Fox the daughter of Mexican President v Sentate Fox Emiliano Salinas the son of former Mexican President Carlos Salinas. Dig or Atari and Russell Lara, whom co the daughter of the Mexican newspaper Magnate Alejandro. Despite the rapid expansion and recruitment by two thousand, two trouble was brewing, an ESP and Keith's aggressive tactics began to catch up with him. Journalist Michael Friedman wrote that after sleepless nights and seventeen our days of ESP courses, a twenty eight year, old woman from prominent Mexican family began to have hallucinations. Then she had a mental breakdown. Her experience wasn't an outlier in Alaska. Environmental Consultant Kristen Snyder. Suffered an even worse fate Tony to tell. He wrote that while taking a Multi Day Esp Course Chris began strange. She interrupted the classes with bizarre statements. She stopped sleeping because she believed Keith didn't need sleep and she wanted to emulate him. Kristen even called your parents and claimed responsibility for the Columbia space shuttle explosion. After days of this erotic behavior, one of ESP's proctors came to a decision. They didn't try to remedy Kristen's outbursts. They didn't integrate her negative emotional responses through their patented exploration of meaning technology. No, they simply ordered her to go away. According to the Alaska, State Police Christian paddled a Kayak into the middle of Resurrection Bay. And then she drowned, though the police never found her body, they discovered a suicide note in it. Kristen wrote. I attended a course called executive success programs my emotional center, the brain was killed. I still have feeling in my external skin, but my internal organs are rotting. If you find me or this note I, am sorry life I didn't. Didn't know I was already dead. The disturbing contents of Kristen suicide note seemed to suggest that she was suffering some sort of psychosis. This might have been caused by our unwillingness to sleep. According to researchers, fluffy waters and Vivian Hsu prolonged sleep. Deprivation can cause psychotic symptoms from simple visual somatic sensory misperceptions to hallucinations and delusions, ending in a condition resembling acute psychosis, maybe lack of sleep. Did 'cause Christian symptoms, but it's important. Important to note that the twenty eight year old woman in Mexico also suffered a mental break, and there was no evidence. She stop sleeping in a bid to emulate Keith this suggest that perhaps there was something baked into Esp's courses. That caused these episodes after all ESP's explorations of meaning made students hyper focused on their most negative emotions and memories in the hopes that they could rid them of their power, perhaps this fixation. Fixation had the opposite effect causing those emotions to feel all encompassing to the point of agony if there was something dangerous about Esp's methodology, Keith Ranieri didn't care to rooted out according to the program, Keith claim that Kristen Snyder faked her suicide because she was involved in drug smuggling ring. Needless to say this conspiracy theory had no basis in fact, neither did some of the new stories that Keith began to spin about himself. In the early two thousands Keith, started to claim he was a renunciation who was shooed all sexual and romantic attachments, however, nothing could be further from the truth after all his sexual appetite was so voracious that a few years earlier Tony Tally had to barricade herself in the closet to stop him from raping her Keith's habits didn't suddenly change overnight in her book. The program Tony the tally wrote that Keith was having sex with everyone in his inner circle he was. was having sex with Pam K., Fritz Kristen Kief and Karen Unto Reiner his former roommates and Barbara Shea. He was having sex with Prefix Nancy. Salzman and her daughter Lauren Saltzman in addition to sexual gluttony Keith continued his penchant of preying on teenage girls. In early two thousand sixteen year old Danielle Yellow Flora's parents gifted, her and ESP class. They were vanguard converts, and they wanted. They're smart, young daughter to benefit from the teachings that had so resonated with them. Before the sixteen day intensive class, Daniela had dreams of attending Harvard University and becoming a scientist so that she could change the world during the intensive according to Journalists Emanuel Grinberg and Sonia Mogi Daniele was taught a mathematical equation that purported to prove that the world was going to end in ten to fifteen years as a result. She was told that her efforts to better. The world were pointless because the only way to change the planet was through Esp. This likely demoralized Daniele so that when Lauren Saltzman asked her to forsake the rest of her formal education and be tutored by vanguard instead she agreed. But when Danielle arrived in Albany Keith didn't do much teaching. In fact, he largely ignored her so according to Grinberg and Mogi article, the brilliant student cleaned offices to stay busy. One year later, the smartest man in the world's attention finely honed in on her, but it wasn't a teacher science instead forty two year old. Keith kissed seventeen year old Daniele for the first time while he brought up the prospect of having sex. He allowed that she was too young. However a few days after she turned eighteen Keith, apparently decided that they're over twenty year age. Difference was no big deal so Grinberg. And Mogi wrote he performed oral sex on the eighteen year old on a dirty mattress in an empty office, according to the program Daniele, the brilliant student with dreams of Harvard, spent the next couple of years doing data entry cleaning houses of high ranking, spn's and performing oral sex on command for vanguard. In part one we covered how Keith embodied several traits on Robert Hare's psychopathy checklist, he demonstrated a grandiose sense of self, manipulative tendencies, a lack of empathy and a pension for pathological, lying Keith's comfort with preying on a teenage Daniele, as well as his rotating roster of sexual partners, further works to reinforce this hypothesis and according to clinical psychologist Seth Meyers psychopaths don't. Don't gauge promiscuous intercourse because they love sex so much. It's more about boosting their ego obtaining power or defending against the boredom that psychopaths often feel this suggest that perhaps Keith pursued predatory sexual relationships to feed his bottomless need for adoration and entertainment, not just to satisfy his lust, even worse during his numerous sexual encounters Keith refused to wear a condom. He defended. Defended his proclivity by alleging that sex was a form of energy exchange, his agenda relations acting as some sort of heavenly gift to the women who received them back on earth, his refusal to wear protection meant that some of his partners got pregnant as a solution to this problem. Tony Tally wrote that Pam K. Fritz one of Keith's former roommates and most loyal. Loyal acolytes shepherded so many women to planned parenthood for an abortion that the staff recognized her despite the abortions the ESPN. PSYCHOTIC breaks and keeps habit of preying on his barely legal students in the early two thousands ESPN had a respectable public face. Perhaps it was this sheen of respectability that helped Lauren Sara Bronfman the billionaire heiress to the Seagram Alcohol Empire. In Two thousand two twenty five year, old Sarah Bronfman's four-month marriage to Irish horse Jockey ronin. Clark was already on the rocks. Maybe her fast-failing union was what caused the usually bubbly party girl to engage in some introspection. Whatever the reason when Bronfman family friend Susan White recommended ESP. Sarah agreed to give the self improvement classes try. In the past Sarah had been somewhat nomadic in her career pursuits. She conceded to a brief undergraduate stint at nyu and then opened a skydiving business in the Caribbean, but after so many Wayward Years Sarah found her rock in ESP. She was so passionate about the curriculum that she encouraged her sister Claire to give the classes. Try where Sarah was blonde and bubbly. Her sister Claire was dark, haired and serious where Sarah flitted from country to country in search of a passion in two thousand and two Clare was already a grand prix winning equestrian. Their differences were perhaps why Claire didn't take to ESPN as easily as Sarah had according to Vanity Fair journalist Susanna Andrews during her i. e S P class. Clare had a defiant. Defiant airport her. She was angry at the world. She would tell people she had decided to spend the rest of her life with horses, because she didn't like human beings, and not just wouldn't do for Keith because Sarah and Clare weren't just rich day were filthy rich. Their Father Edgar Bronfman had an estimated net worth of two point. Six billion dollars, and each of the girls boasted Multimillion Dollar Trust Fund. Balances. Keith wasn't going to let either one of them. Slip through his fingers so easily. Early on in her time with the S P Keith convened a series of one on one meetings with the recalcitrant Clare. We don't know what they discussed during these private sessions, but the end result was clear Clare was just as enthusiastic about ESP, as her sister was perhaps more so because according to several former members of the group clear apparently fell in love with Keith. With both minnows on his hook forty three year old Keith set his sights on the white whale in two thousand three, he pushed Clare and Sarah to set up a meeting with their father Edgar. This was a difficult ask after Edgar's divorced from their mother Sarah and Claire had spent the bulk of their childhood Ling part from the Bronfman riches. They hadn't grown up in new. York society like their older siblings, nor had they attended fancy private schools, and while they did have access to impressive trust funds of their own, they likely resented their father for his early absence from their lives. So when keyes asked them to reach out to Edgar they hesitated, but Keith was nothing, if not persuasive, and eventually he got the girls to agree. Eager to fix his strained relationship with his daughters. Edgard jumped at the chance to participate in their passion. He signed up for one of ESPN specially designed VIP classes. The course was taught by prefix yourself and carry a price tag of ten thousand dollars. Fortunately, that was chump change to a billionaire. Not only did edgar hand over his money easily. He loved the classes so much so that he began flying Nancy out to his estate in Virginia, so she could give him one on one esp. Therapy sessions for Keith. The future couldn't have looked brighter. Not only did he now have a billionaire amongst his clientele, but in two thousand three executive success programs boasted an impressive three thousand seven hundred members, however, there was one downside to Keith's fortune, but taxman came calling. According to the program, the profits of ESP were such that Keith began strategizing how to avoid paying taxes on his wealth. To that end, he decided to fold the company into an umbrella corporation to shield himself from direct ownership Keith called his new venture nexium. With a new name and a fast growing business forty three year old Keith received yet another piece of good news when he discovered that Forbes magazine wanted to do a feature on him. He eagerly anticipated the article likely believing that it would usher in more stratospheric. Yes, he was wrong the Forbes. Article was a disaster of such magnitude. It threatened his relationship with a billionaire pudding Keith's whole empire at stake. Up Next Keith Ranieri Fields accusations that he's running a cult. High Listeners Vanessa. We all know that navigating young adulthood can be a wild ride for Social Media Star Addison Ray. 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He turned to self-improvement Business Esp into a financial success boasting thousands of members and in the process he'd managed to attract an elite clientele with a billionaire amongst its ranks, so when Keith learned that Forbes magazine wanted to do a feature on him. He likely viewed it as a just reward, but in his excitement he made a grievous mistake in the mid two, thousand Keith was juggling intense, sexual and. And emotional relationships with multiple women. This was no easy feat. Each keeps girls require their own special touch. Fortunately, he was Predator naturally adept at sensing and meeting their needs, however in the excitement of granting the Forbes journalist access to his inner circle Keith failed to adequately manage the feelings of Clare. Bronfman according to Tony. Tally Clare had always been overshadowed by her bubbler. Prettier older sister Sarah Nexium was supposed to be different. It was supposed to be the one place where Clare was at the forefront. She believed in Nexium so hardly that she'd given up her dreams of being a champion equestrian to focus on the group full-time. Despite her sacrifices, it seemed to Clare. That Keith Nancy were making a big fuss of her older sister to the Forbes journalist. Feeling overlooked and underappreciated. Clare decided to do something about it. In a reported acts of retaliation, she called her father Edgar and told him that Keith had borrowed two million dollars from her with that piece of information. The wool was officially yanked off of Edgar. Bronfman is. Perhaps he'd wanted to believe that Keith was the ethical guru. He presented himself to be perhaps in desiring a deeper connection with his daughters Edgar had even convinced himself that he was getting something invaluable from the ten thousand dollar classes. However, once he heard about the two million dollar loan. Edgar had his own comment for the Forbes journalist. He said I think it's a cult, and that wasn't. All the Forbes feature was rotten with damaging information about Keith one section discussed the collapse of his alleged pyramid scheme. Consumers byline. Another part featured details about the psychotic break. Certain SPN's had suffered after taking his courses. However it was the Forbes journalist. Michael Friedman who delivered the death knell. He branded Keith, a corporate. Sven Gali who's impenetrable jargon, filled teachings were either pure genius or sheer horse manure, instead of addressing the parts of the article that called his behavior into question Keith honed in on Edgar Bronfman's quote or rather he on Clare Bronfman. He was furious. She told her father about the loan perhaps by Keith Demand Both Clare and Sarah stopped talking to their father, but that wasn't enough for Keith. He accused Clare of committing an ethical breach of violating nexium mission statement allegedly in love with Keith, Clare was desperate to get back into his good graces in other words. She was exactly where Keith wanted her. In late, two, thousand, three Keith, Convinced Clare, and Sarah to turn over the management of their assets to fellow nexium member Barbara Shea eager to please Keith both Clare and her sister agreed after all. Barbara was a successful financial planner, so she certainly had the skills to manage their account. However, the sisters didn't know that the person who was supposed to be looking out for their best fiduciary interests was sleeping with their guru. Perhaps this conflict of interest was why Barbara didn't raise any alarms when Keith, convinced the girls to start spending their money at a startling rate. Their expenses ran the gamut. There was the one million dollars. The girls shout to refurbish prefects mansion. Then they paid one point seven million dollars for next see'ums, headquarters and two point three million dollars for a nexium horse farm, the girls, even purchaser, private jet, and made available to next higher ups, but one of their most outrageous expenses by far was the twenty million dollar check. The girls donated. No questions asked to a nexium controlled foundation. Despite this gigantic outlay Keith wasn't satisfied largely because he didn't just see. Clare Bronfman as a Piggy Bank for pleasurable pursuits. He also viewed her as a human war chest. According to New York, times journalist Berry. Meyer Clare Bronfman was Keith's greatest legal weapon. She financed and aggressively pursued long-running lawsuits against nexium enemies. She filed criminal complaints against defectors from the group and even US lawyers to threaten its critics. More ominous Keith reportedly used Clare's money to buy opposition research on his enemies. Keep paid for dossiers of extensive, sometimes incriminating information on everyone from local politicians to his ex girlfriend tonita tally. However weaponising Clare Bronfman's money was far from the worst thing Keith Renee did with her millions. The worst thing he did was disguised as an amazing opportunity. In two thousand, five forty four year, old Keith, told Sarah and Claire that he devised an ingenious mathematical formula that would allow him to make millions in the commodities market. Since Keith was the smartest man in the world, the Bronfman sisters readily allowed him to make commodity trades with their funds. What followed was a bloodbath. Keith burn through sixty five million dollars of their money, losing it all on extreme ill-thought-out trades in the commodities market when questioned. Keith had a ready explanation for his losses he blamed their father Edgar. Keith claimed that Edgar was in cahoots. With the commodities clearing firm to steal the girls inheritance money. He said that Edgar was the root cause of his massive losses both Sarah Anne Clare believed him. They needed to believe him Sarah had been directionless before joining nexium. Even her friends viewed her as an airhead nexium gave her substance it gave her purpose, and as for Clare, she was allegedly in love with Keith with those incentives. It's understandable why the Bronfman sisters swallowed their gurus improbable tale. However. They might not have been so easy to convince. Had they been aware that this wasn't the first time Keith had lost millions in the commodities market. In fact, just a few years earlier, he blown. Barbara Shays entire life savings on similarly speculative trades Keith's decision to essentially gamble with his followers. Funds might have been yet another demonstration of his psychopathic traits, according to Hare's checklist. Psychopaths have a persistent need for stimulation, poor behavioral controls and impulsively these three factors help to explain why. Why, there's oftentimes a correlation between psychopathy and gambling addictions strangely enough, there's another trade on hairs listed that psychopaths unilaterally share namely they're known to live parasitic lifestyles. Keith warned his students at the world was comprised of producers and parasites, though he held himself up. As an exemplary producer is conduct proves he was nothing but a parasite he had sex with several of the women in his inner circle to satiate his need for adoration, and he blew both Barbara and the bump into. In the commodities market to feed his hunger for stimulation. Despite the predatory nature of his actions, the female members of Nexium. Keith's thrall that they couldn't see him for the parasite, he was furthermore, whereas Leeches fell off their victim's bodies when they were seated with blood Keith was insatiable, and soon he decided to expand his feeding pool to grow nexium footprint. Keith did this by creating a new program specifically devoted to female empowerment called. S. According to Scott Johnson and Rebecca. Sons article for the Hollywood reporter. In late, two thousand six several dozen people filed into a hotel conference room in Vancouver, Canada for a two day introduction to Janice. The program was billed as a women's movement within nexium. Though nexium had maintained a Vancouver outpost for a few months. There had been no Canadian gathering as deemed as this one in attendance that day were the members of next seems elite both Sarah and Clare Bronfman had flown into town on their private jet, furthermore, Prefect Nancy, Salzman and her daughter Lauren. Saltzman were also in attendance. Though the weekend intensive was supposedly about teaching nexium ideas about female empowerment in reality there were other motives at play. The upper echelons of Nexium had descended upon the unremarkable conference room in Vancouver because of one specific person. Allison Mack when forty-six year old Keith. Ranieri that the FAN FAVORITES CW actress plan to attend the program. He'd sent his shrewdest and most impressive members to lure her into the fold, after all Keith's enterprises had always benefited from the incorporation of talented women. Nexium curriculum was built off of Nancy Salts. Men's life work. The organization's operations were funded by the Bronfman sisters, millions and in Allison Mack Keith saw. Saw Celebrity spokesperson according to an interview given to the Hollywood reporter journalist by former nexium member celebrity recruitment might have been another cue. Keith took from Scientology Alison would be there. Tom Cruise figure, a recognizable face that lent credibility to the cult, a promise of the success to be found by following ESP, in two thousand, six twenty-three-year-old Allison Mack was unaware of any of these machinations. All she saw was a group of young creative people who seemed to welcome her with open arms. It's no surprise then that at the end of the weekend session when Lawrence saltzman invited Alison back to Albany to meet Keith, she eagerly agreed. As. She climbed into the Bronfman's private jet to fly to new. York Alison had no idea that the decision would center down a dark path from which there would be no return. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back next Tuesday with the third episode of our four part special will cover keith toxic relationship with Allison Mack, which culminated in the Hollywood actress, allegedly branding women for his satisfaction for more information on Keith Raniry amongst the many sources we used. We found the program inside the mind of Keith Raniry and the rise and And fall of nexium by toning tally with Chet Harden extremely helpful to our research, you can find all sorts of cults and all of the podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast. Originals Lake Colts for free from your phone. Or Smart Speaker to stream cults on spotify just open the APP and type cults in the search bar will see you next time. Cults was created by Max Cutler as a podcast studios, original executive producers include Maxon, Ron Cutler, sound designed by Mike Romo's with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carlee Madden and Joshua Kern this episode of cults was written by Abi Geli. Who with writing assistance by Abigail, cannon and stars, Greg Poulsen and Vanessa Richardson. High again is Vanessa before we go. 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"Do to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse suicide and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was midnight in Albany, New York when forty year old Barbara. Shea. Woke up to the sound of somebody frantically knocking on her door. According to CBC journalist Josh Block Barbara was stunned to see forty year old Keith Raniry on the other side. He was crying his words coming in broken fragments as he told her that there was a problem. He'd lost it all fifty thousand dollars, his foolproof investment plan had failed. Barbara didn't see how that could be possible. She had joined nexium because Keith was the smartest man in the world still despite her alarm. Tempered her nerves, fifty thousand dollars was a significant sum, but it wouldn't ruin her. But Keith. Shook his head. It was more than that. They owed the commodities broker six, hundred, thousand dollars Barbara was in shock they. Yes. Keith. said they owed the money because the accounts were in her name. She was the one on the hook for six, hundred grand, Barbara had come from nothing she put. Put herself through college and decades of arduous work. Six, hundred, thousand dollars was almost half of her life savings, but there was nothing to be done for it. So Barbara ponied up the funds and hoped that would be the end. It wasn't by the time. Keith was finished he bed and lost all one point, six, million dollars of the money Barbara worked her entire life to earn. Hi I'm Greg. Paulson and I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is colts. Original. Every Tuesday, we look at cults practices, their leader, and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all of the podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream cults for free on spotify, just open the APP and type colts in the search bar. This is our second episode in a deep dive into A. Cult called Nexium the group made. For reportedly physically branding it celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves all to satisfy its narcissistic leader. Keith Rene early in this episode will explore the early days of nexium will detail how and why Keith Ranieri. Convinced. To billionaire heiresses to join the growing group. Finally will cover how he manipulated them into spending their fortune on him over the course of the next two episodes will cover actress, Allison Mack's rise. As Keith, Ranieri's right hand woman and finally will detail Nexia GMS notorious collapse. We've got all this and more coming up stay with us. By nineteen, ninety, nine, thirty, nine, year, old Keith Ranieri had shuttered his first company consumers byline after it was hounded with. Of fraud and his longtime girlfriend forty, one year, old Tony. Tally had finally broken off their relationship for good fed up with abuse Keith had already moved on. He had a different business game in mind and a brand new woman in his life, Nancy Saltzman with her input. Keith was able to craft executive success programs or ESP like consumers bind line ESPN was a multilevel. multilevel marketing company except instead of selling discounted household products, keith new venture sold self-improvement Classes Keith claimed that ESP's technology could coach actresses into delivering Oscar worthy performances, athletes into meddling at the Olympics and filmmakers into producing Alfred Hitchcock esque masterpieces though Keith wasn't trained in any of these fields, he was the smartest man in the world with a to forty IQ furthermore he. He had nancy when Nancy met Keith. She was already respected in the corporate world for her supposed- psychological expertise. Her rolodex boasted executives from blue chip companies like CON Edison and American. Express Keith was well aware of this. When he convinced Nancy to open a business with him, it's likely. He expected that her deep pool of corporate clients would become ESP's primary user base. Base his hopes were quickly dashed while Nancy's clients respected her insights, one look at Keith's track record of pyramid schemes, and they decided that they wanted nothing to do with the smartest man in the world. Fortunately for Keith. He was the king of the pivot. He decided that if he couldn't offer high powered executives is self-improvement technology, then he just go after the combat. The pitch was simple. Everybody wanted something better. Everyone wanted more more success, more happiness, more of a sense that they were on the right path doing all the right things, Keith provided the promise of this. If people just signed up for his classes, he would offer them the hope of more according to Tony Tallies Book the Program Keith? Seductive. Pitch. Meant that ESP's first class drew seekers often at a crossroads in their lives, and for exactly the type of knowledge he seemed to have in spades. They were not easy marks, they were smart. People whose desire for self improvement was sincere. Keith took their sincerity and charged them up to seven thousand, five, hundred dollars for his self-improvement intensive 's which lasted anywhere from five to sixteen days after he had their money safe in hand class was in session. The very first lesson that ESPN students learned was how to refer to Keith, a Nazi she was called prefect and he vanguard. Journalists Rebecca's son and Scott Johnson road for the Hollywood reporter that Keith adopted the title vanguard from an arcade game in which the destruction of one's enemies increased ones power. In other words, the name functioned as an act of dominance. Once that was accepted, Esp, students were primed for another type of dominion, it came in the form of colored sashes. Keith impressed upon his students, the importance of hierarchy, like Scientology's ot or operating fate and levels. ESP's ranking system was set in stone where a student fell in. The group was immutable defined by the sashes. Members wore around their necks. A White Sash meant beginner student yellow sashes went to students who had paid for enough courses to ascend to coaching level orange sashes. Sashes went to proctors green to senior proctors all the way up the hierarchy to the so called ethereal sash. Only one ESPN member had improved his character enough to warrant it. Keith. neary. However, he promised his students that with enough lessons day to could progress up the hierarchy to move from one color ranked to the next a student I had earned or. Or stripes on their sash. So where scientology offered its members, the Bridge to clear vanguard gave the students the stripe path to a serial. However, the sash ranking system didn't only provide students with a visual reminder of where they were in their journey to ethereal. It also immediately showed them where they stood relative to each other. This was important because Keith had. Had several rules governing how a lower ranked student was to interact with higher-ups i. there was the special handshake. Normally handshakes occur on a lateral plane. The hands are at equal height, but Keith dictated that ESP students or SPN says they sometimes referred to themselves had to put their hand beneath that of a higher rank student whenever there to poems might meet. Secondly. There was the idea of paying tribute journalist. Michael Friedman wrote, for Forbes, in two thousand, three that when a higher ranking as one enters the room lower ranked. SPN's must stand to show respect. They're taught to bow to one another and to vanguard. All of Keith's mandated rituals and insignias of rank played a very important role. Vanessa's going to take over unless psychology here, and throughout the episode. Please note this is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. According to a study led by researcher, non-pki, cowed Enberg a sense of an us can emerge in the background of specific actions that individuals performed together by giving his students, a uniform system of dressing and interacting with each other Keith. Created a sense of an AAs. In other words, he crafted a new group identity. Once students accepted their position as new members of an insular group Keith set about reconstructing their worldview. Keith taught SBN's that the world was divided into two groups of people, parasites and producers. He explained that why all human beings were born parasitic dependent on others for their survival. Some humans remained in the stunted state. They were perennial parasites forever, feeding off the success of others to sustain themselves on the other side of binary was the self sufficient producer these. These people were independent and driven enough to earn their success as opposed to leaching it from others as vanguard. The man with the the`Real Sash Keith held himself up as the ultimate producer is students wanted to leave behind their parasitic state. They would have to throw themselves into ESPN, curriculum. Wholeheartedly, the core mechanism of this curriculum were explorations of meaning or EM's. During em sessions, coach would take a student through an analysis of thought or behavior to find the root cause of the students negative emotional responses once the origin was located, usually in a childhood memory or some other formative experience, the coach would help the student diffuse the power of the moment by asking them targeted questions. In this way, explorations of meaning were very similar to scientology's auditing sessions. Keith. Promise that with enough explorations of meaning students. Students would destroy the root cause of the negative emotions holding them back from success in other words. Em's would give them effective producer like mindsets. Keith. Believed that if everybody had such a mindset, the world would be a better place to that end. He also strongly encouraged students to recruit. In fact, recruitment, not self-improvement through explorations of meaning was the main requirement to move up the stripe path and students were willing to do all of it. They went along with a strict hierarchy, the coerced explorations of oftentimes painful memories and the pressure to recruit all in the hopes that it would help them achieve their wildest dreams. They wanted to be Academy Award winning actresses. They wanted to be successful entrepreneurs they wanted to be ethereal. So they handed over their time, their money and their minds, and just like that thirty nine year, old Keith Rainier as new business was coming. Up Next, ESPN students discover the dark side of self improvement now back to the story. In the late nineteen nineties after establishing -secutive success programs in Albany. New York Keith Ranieri and his business partner. Nancy. Salesman started teaching their patented self-improvement Curriculum. During. These classes students were taught how to resolve their negative emotional impulses to become happier more successful people. They were also strongly encouraged to go out and recruit new students into the fold since he was their vanguard, Keith students did exactly as he asked non more effectively than prefect herself. In. One, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, Nancy encouraged her daughter's nineteen year old Michelle and twenty two year old Lauryn to try the classes according to journalist Ej. Dixon. For Rolling Stone magazine a few years after joining ESP Lauren began a sexual relationship with Keith. It's unclear whether her mother was immediately aware of this after seamlessly pulling your family members into, Esp, she moved on to recruiting friends. Nancy, convinced acquaintance, Barbara Bouchet to join the group in two thousand. According to an article Barbara Bouchet later wrote for Frank Report Dot Com when the forty year old took her first workshop. She was managing ninety million dollars and grossing nine hundred thousand dollars annually in her job as a financial planner despite her enviable success Barbara like. So many of ESP's early recruits was going through a difficult time in her life, Barbara. Road, for Frank report that at the time, her best friend had committed suicide and she had. Had just asked her husband for a divorce. It's no wonder then that she jumped at the chance to learn how to be happier from the smartest man in the world. After taking a couple of ESP classes. Barbara was hooked six months after joining. Esp, she had entered into a romantic relationship with Keith remarry. However, her intimacy with Keith. Wasn't her sole drought. Esp. She was truly impressed with material and believed that it could change your life. Barbara wasn't alone in this regard. Several other new recruits felt similarly passionate about Keith's curriculum, and soon he was offering intensive Zinta lasca Manhattan Seattle Boston and even. Mexico. Edgar Boom, the son of a wealthy Mexican family. I heard of executive success programs while taking a similar self-improvement course called life skills. Perhaps seduced by Keith's purported credentials. Edgar decided to give the new program a try according to Tony Mattel Book. He quickly took to the classes in because he was in love with Nancy solvents, daughter Michelle thereafter. Edgar became one of ESP's best recruiters south. South of the border. He brought in Ana Cristina Fox, the daughter, then Mexican President Vicente Fox. Emiliano Salinas, the son of former Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gaulle Tari and Rosa. Laura whom co the daughter of the Mexican newspaper Magnate Alejandro despite the rapid expansion and recruitment by two thousand and two trouble was brewing in ESP, and Keith's aggressive tactics began to catch up with him. Journalist Michael Friedman wrote that after sleepless nights and seventeen, our days of ESP courses. A twenty eight year old woman from a prominent Mexican family began to have hallucinations. Then she had a mental breakdown, her experience wasn't an outlier in Alaska. Environmental. Consultant. Kristen Snyder suffered an even worse fate Tony to tally wrote that while taking a multiday esp course Christa began acting strange she the classes with bizarre statements she stopped sleeping because she believed Keith didn't need sleep and she wanted to emulate him kristen, even called your parents and claimed responsibility for the Columbia space shuttle explosion. After days of this erotic behavior. One of ESP's proctors came to a decision. They didn't try to remedy Kristen's outbursts. They didn't integrate her negative emotional responses through their patented exploration of meaning technology. No, they simply ordered her to go away. According to the Alaska State Police Christian paddle a Kayak into the middle of Resurrection Bay, and then she drowned though the police never found her body, they discovered a suicide note in it. Kristen wrote, I attended a course called executive success programs, my motion center, the brain was killed. I still have feeling in my external skin. But my internal organs are rotting. If you find me or this note I am sorry life I didn't know I was already dead. The disturbing contents kristen suicide note seemed to suggest that she was suffering some sort of psychosis. This might have been caused by our unwillingness to sleep according to researchers, fluffy waters, and Vivian. Hsu prolonged sleep deprivation can cause psychotic symptoms from simple visual somatic sensory misperceptions to hallucinations and delusions ending in a condition resembling acute psychosis. Maybe a lack of sleep did 'cause Christian symptoms, but it's important to note that the twenty eight year old woman in Mexico. Also suffered a mental break and there was no evidence she stop sleeping in a bid to emulate Keith. This suggests that perhaps there was something baked into ESPN courses that. That caused these episodes after all ESP's explorations of meaning made students hyper focused on their most negative emotions and memories in the hopes that they could rid them of their power. Perhaps, this fixation had the opposite effect, causing those emotions to feel all encompassing to the point of agony. If there was something dangerous about ESP's methodology, Keith Rainier didn't care to root it out according to the program Keith claim that Chris Snyder faked her suicide because she was involved in a drug smuggling ring needless to say, this conspiracy theory had no basis in fact, neither did some of the new stories that Keith began to spin about himself. In the early two thousands, Keith started to claim he was a renunciation. All sexual and romantic attachments. However, nothing could be further from the truth after all his sexual appetite was so voracious that a few years earlier Tony Tally had to barricade herself in the closet to stop him from raping her Keith's habits. Didn't suddenly change overnight in her book the program. Tony. The. Tally wrote that Keith was having sex with everyone in his inner circle. He was having sex with Pam K. Fritz Kristen Kief, and Karen UNTER. Einer his former roommates and Barbara Bouchet. was having sex with prefect, Nancy salesman and her daughter Lauren -ment in addition to the sexual gluttony. Keith, continued his penchant of praying teenage girls in early two, thousand, sixteen year old Danielle. Flora's parents gifted her an ESP class. They were vanguard converts and they wanted they're smart young daughter to benefit from the teachings that had so resonated with them. Before the sixteen day intensive class. Daniela had dreams of attending Harvard University and becoming a scientist so that she could change the world during the intensive according to journalists, Emmanuel Grinberg and Sonia Mogi Daniele was taught a mathematical equation that purported to prove that the world was going to end in ten to fifteen years. As a result, she was told that her efforts to better the world were pointless because the only way to change the planet was through. ESP, this likely demoralized Daniela so that when Lawrence Saltzman to forsake the rest of her formal education and be tutored by vanguard instead she agreed. But when Danielle arrived in Albany, Keith didn't do much teaching. In fact, he largely ignored her so according to Grinberg and Mogi article, the brilliant student cleaned offices to stay busy. One year. Later, the smartest man at the world's attention finely honed in on her, but it wasn't a teacher science. Instead forty, two year old keith kissed seventeen year old Daniele for the first time. While he brought up the prospect of having sex, he allowed that she was too young. However a few days after she turned eighteen keys apparently decided that they're over twenty year age difference was no big deal. So grinberg and Mogi wrote, he performed oral sex on the eighteen year old on a dirty mattress in an empty office according to the program. Daniele the brilliant student with dreams of Harford spent the next couple of years doing data entry cleaning houses of high ranking, SPN's and performing oral sex on command for vanguard. In part one, we covered how Keith embodied several traits on Robert. Hare psychopathy checklist. He demonstrated a grandiose sense of self manipulative tendencies, a lack of empathy and a pension for pathological lying Keith's. Preying on a teenage Daniela, as well as his rotating roster of sexual partners, further works to reinforce this hypothesis and according to clinical psychologist said Myers psychopaths don't engage in promiscuous intercourse because they love sex so much. It's more about boosting their ego obtaining power or defending against the boredom that psychopaths. Feel. This suggests that perhaps Keith pursued predatory sexual relationships to feed his bottomless need for adoration and entertainment, not just to satisfy his lust even worse during his numerous sexual encounters. Keith refused to wear a condom. He defended this proclivity by alleging that sex was a form of energy exchange. His ejaculation is acting as some sort of heavenly gift to the women who received them back on earth. His refusal to wear protection meant that some of his partners got pregnant as a solution to this problem. Tony. Tally. wrote that, Pam K. Fritz. One of Keith's former roommates and most loyal acolytes shepherded so many women to planned parenthood for an abortion that the staff recognized her. Despite, the abortions, the ESPN psychotic breaks and keeps habit of preying on his barely legal students. In the early two thousands. ESP had a respectable public face. Perhaps, it was this sheen of respectability that help Lauren Sara Bronfman, the billionaire heiress to the seagram alcohol. Empire. In Two and two, twenty, five year old Sarah. Bronfman's four-month marriage to Irish, horse. Jockey Ronin Clark was already on the rocks, maybe her fast-failing union was what caused the usually bubbly party girl to engage in some introspection whatever the reason when Bronfman friend, Susan White Recommended Esp Sarah agreed to give the self improvement classes. Try In the past Sarah had been somewhat nomadic in her career pursuits. She conceded to a brief undergraduate stint at nyu and then opened a skydiving business in the. Caribbean. But after so many wayward years, Sarah found her rock in ESP. She was so passionate about the curriculum that she encouraged her sister Claire to give the classes try where Sarah was blonde and bubbly. Her sister Claire was dark haired and serious where Sarah flitted from country to country in search of a passion in two thousand, two Clare was already a grand prix winning equestrian. Their differences were perhaps why Claire didn't take to ESPN easily as Sarah. had according to Vanity Fair journalist. Susanna Andrews during her first ESP class, Clare had a defiant air about. About her, she was angry at the world. She would tell people, she decided to spend the rest of her life with horses because she didn't like human beings and not just wouldn't do for. Keith because Sarah and Clare weren't just rich day were filthy rich their father. Edgar. Bronfman had an estimated net worth of two point, six billion dollars and each of the girls multimillion dollar. Trust Fund Balances Keith wasn't going to let either one of them slip through his fingers so easily. Early on in her time, the S P, Keith convened a series of one on one meetings with the recalcitrant. Clare, we don't know what they discussed during these private sessions, but the end result was clear. Clear was just as enthusiastic about ESP, sister was perhaps more. So because according to several former members of the group clear apparently fell in love with Keith with the minnows on his hook forty three year. Old Keith set his sights on the white whale in two thousand three, he pushed Clare and Sarah to set up a meeting with their father Edgar. This was a difficult ask after Edgar's divorced from their mother. Sarah. and Claire had spent the bulk of their childhood living apart from the Bronfman riches. They hadn't grown up in. New, York society like their older siblings nor had the attended fancy private schools. while. They did have access to impressive trust funds of their own. They likely resented their father for his early absence from their lives. So when Keith asked them to reach out to Edgar they hesitated but Keith was nothing if not persuasive and eventually he got the girls to agree. Eager to fix his strained relationship with daughters edgard jumped at the chance to participate in their passion, he signed up for ESP's specially designed VIP classes. The course was taught by prefix yourself at a carried, a price tag of ten thousand dollars. Fortunately, that was chump change to a billionaire. Not, only did Edgar handover his money easily, he loved the classes so much so that he began flying Nancy out to his estate in Virginia. So she could give him one on one ESP, therapy sessions for Keith, the future couldn't have looked brighter not only. Did you now have a billionaire amongst his clientele, but in two thousand and three executive success programs boasted an impressive three, thousand, seven, hundred members. However, there was one downside to Keats. Good Fortune, the tax man came calling. According to the program. The prophets of ESPN were such that Keith began strategizing how to avoid paying taxes on his wealth to that end, he decided to fold the company into an umbrella corporation to shield himself from direct ownership Keith called his new venture nexium. With a new name and a fast growing business. Old Keith received yet another piece of good news. When he discovered that Forbes magazine wanted to feature on him. He eagerly anticipated the article likely believing that it would usher in more stratospheric success. He was wrong. The Forbes article was a disaster of such magnitude. It threatened his relationship with a billionaire pudding. Keith's whole empire at stake. Up, next Keith Rainier fields accusations that he's running a cult now back to the story. In two, thousand, three, forty, three year, old Keith Ranieri was finally living up to his outsized expectations. He turned to self-improvement Business Esp into a financial success, boasting thousands of members, and in the process, he managed to attract an elite clientele with a billionaire amongst its ranks. So when Keith learned that Forbes magazine wanted to do a feature on him, he likely viewed it as a just reward. But in his excitement, he made a grievous mistake in the mid two thousands, Keith. Was Juggling intense sexual and emotional relationships with multiple women. This was no easy feat. Egypt, Keith's girls require their own special touch. Fortunately, he was Predator. Naturally adept at sensing and meeting their. Their needs however in the excitement of granting the Forbes journalist access to his inaugural circle, Keith failed to adequately manage the feelings of Clare Bronfman according to Tony Tally. Clare had always been overshadowed by her bubbler prettier older sister Sarah Nexium was supposed to be different. It was supposed to be the one place where Clare was out the forefront. She believed in Nexium. So heartily that she'd given up her dreams of being a champion equestrian to focus on the group full-time despite her sacrifices, it seemed to Clare that Keith and Nancy were making a big fuss of her older sister to the Forbes journalist feeling overlooked and underappreciated. Clare. decided to do something about it. In a reported act of retaliation, she called her father Edgar and told him that Keith had borrowed two million dollars from her with that piece of information. The wool was officially yanked off. Of Edgar, Bronfman is. Perhaps he'd wanted to believe that Keith was the ethical guru. He presented himself to be perhaps desiring a deeper connection with his daughters. Had even convinced himself that he was getting something invaluable from the ten thousand dollar classes. However, once he heard about the two million dollar loan, Edgar had his own comment for the Forbes journalist. He said I, think it's a cult and that wasn't all the Forbes feature was rotten with damaging information about Keith one section discussed the collapse of his alleged pyramid scheme consumers line. Another part featured details about the psychotic breaks certain. SBN had suffered after taking his courses. However. It was the Forbes journalist, Michael Friedman who delivered the death. Now, he branded kice of corporate. Sven Gali who's impenetrable jargon filled teachings were either pure genius or sheer horse manure. Instead of addressing the parts of the article that called his behavior into question Keith honed in on Edgar Bronfman's quote or rather he turned unclear Bronfman. He was furious that she told her father about the loan perhaps by Keith's demand both Clare and Sarah stopped talking to their father. But that wasn't enough for Keith. He accused clear of committing an ethical breach of violating nexium mission statement allegedly in love with Keith, Clare? was desperate to get back into his good graces. In other words. She was exactly where Keith wanted her. In late, two, thousand, three, Keith Convince Clare, and Sarah to turn over the management of their assets to fellow nexium member Barbara. Shea eager to please Keith both Clare Anderson sister agreed after all Barbara was the successful financial planner. So she certainly have the skills to manage their account. However, the sisters didn't know that the person who was supposed to be looking out for their best fiduciary interests was sleeping with their guru. Perhaps, this conflict of interest was why Barbara didn't raise any alarms when Keith convinced the girls to start spending their money at a startling rate. Their expenses ran the gamut. There was the one million dollars. The girls shelled out to refurbish prefects mansion. Then they paid one point, seven, million dollars for nexium headquarters and two point, three million dollars for a nexium horse farm. The girls even purchase a private jet and made it available to nexium higher ups. But one of their most outrageous expenses by far was the twenty million dollar check the girls donated. No questions asked to a nexium controlled foundation. Despite this gigantic outlay Keith wasn't satisfied largely because he didn't just see Clare Bronfman as a piggy bank for pleasurable pursuits. He also viewed her as a human war chest. According to New York. Times journalist Berry Meyer. Clare Bronfman was Keith's greatest legal weapon she financed and aggressively pursued long running lawsuits against nexium enemies. She filed criminal complaints against defectors from the group and even used lawyers to threaten its critics more ominous. Keith reportedly used Clare's money to buy opposition research on his enemies. He paid for dossiers of extensive, sometimes incriminating information on everyone from local politicians to his ex girlfriend Tony Tally. However, weaponising Clare Bronfman's money was far from the worst thing Keith. Ranieri, did with her millions. The worst thing he did was disguised as an amazing opportunity. In two, thousand, five, forty, four year, old Keith told Sarah and Claire that he devised an ingenious mathematical formula that would allow him to make millions in the commodities market. Since Keith was the smartest man in the world, the Bronfman sisters readily allowed him to make commodity trades with their funds. What followed was a bloodbath. Keith burn through sixty, five, million dollars of their money losing it all on extreme ill-thought-out trades in the commodities market. When questioned Keith had a ready explanation for his losses, he blamed their father Edgar. Keith, claimed that Edgar was in cahoots with the commodities clearing firm to steal the girls inheritance money. He said that Edgar was the root cause of massive losses both Sarah and Claire believe him. They needed to believe him. Sarah had been directionless before joining nexium. Even her friends viewed her as an airhead. Nexium gave her substance. It gave her purpose and as for Clare. She was allegedly in love with Keith with those incentives. It's understandable why the Bronfman, sisters. Followed their, gurus improbable tale. However they might not have been so easy to convince. Had they been aware that this wasn't the first time? Keith. Had lost millions in the commodities market. In fact, just a few years earlier, he'd blown Barbara. Boucher's entire life savings on similarly speculative trades. Keith's decision to essentially gamble with his followers. Funds might have been yet another demonstration of his psychopathic traits according to Hare's checklist. Psychopaths have a persistent need for stimulation, poor behavioral controls, and impulsively these three factors helped to explain why there's oftentimes a correlation between psychopathy and gambling? Addiction. Strangely. Enough. There's another trade on Hare's list that psychopaths unilaterally share. Namely, they're known to live parasitic lifestyles. Keith. warned his students at the world was comprised of producers and parasites though he held himself up as an exemplary producer is conduct proves he was nothing but a parasite, he had sex with several the women in his interest circle to satiate his need for adoration, and he blew both Barbara and the brahmins money and the commodities market to feed his hunger for stimulation. Despite the predatory nature of his actions, the female members of Nexium were. So in Keith's thrall that they couldn't see him for the parasite, he was furthermore whereas Leeches fell off their victim's bodies when they were sated with Blood Keith was insatiable, and soon, he decided to expand his feeding pool to grow nexium footprint. Keith did this by creating a new program specifically devoted to female empowerment called gymnasts. According to Scott Johnson and Rebecca sons article for the Hollywood reporter in late two, thousand, six, several dozen people filed into a hotel conference room in Vancouver Canada for a two day introduction to John s the program was billed as a women's movement within nexium. Though nexium had maintained Vancouver outpost for a few months, there had been no Canadian gathering as deemed as this one in attendance. That day were the members of next seems elite both Sarah and Clare. Bronfman. Had flown into town their private jet, furthermore, Prefect Nancy, Salzman and her daughter Lauren Saltzman were also in attendance. Though the weekend intensive was supposedly about teaching nexium ideas about female empowerment. In reality, there were other motives at play. The upper echelons of Nexium had descended upon the unremarkable conference room in Vancouver, because of one specific person Allison Mack, when forty six year old Keith Ranieri Land that the Fan Favorites CW actress plan to attend the program. He'd sent his shrewdest and most impressive members to lure her into the fold after all Keith's prices had always benefited from the incorporation of. Of talented women, next see'ums curriculum was built off of Nancy. Salts. Men's life work. The organization's operations were funded by the Bronfman sisters millions, and in Allison Mack, Keith saw celebrity spokesperson according to an interview given to the Hollywood reporter journalist by a former nexium member. Celebrity recruitment might have been another cue Keith took from. Scientology. Alison would be there. Tom. Cruise. figure a recognizable face that lent credibility to the cult, a promise of the success to be found by following ESP. In two, thousand, six twenty-three-year-old. Allison Mack was unaware of any of these machinations. All she saw was a group of young creative people who seemed to welcome her with open arms. It's no surprise. Then that at the end of the weekend session, when Lawrence, saltzman Ozmen invited Alison back to Albany to meet Keith, she eagerly agreed. As she climbed into the Bronfman's private jet to fly to new. York. Alison had no idea that the decision would her down a dark path from which there would be no return. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back next Tuesday with the third episode of our four part. Special will cover Keith's toxic relationship with Allison Mack, which culminated in the Hollywood actress allegedly branding women for his satisfaction for more information on Keith. Ranieri. Amongst the many sources we used, we found the program inside the mind of key raniry and the rise and fall of nexium by toning A. A tally with Chet Harden extremely helpful to our research. 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Keith Raniere: The End of A Cult Leader

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Keith Raniere: The End of A Cult Leader

"My Name is Danny Shapiro and I'm the host family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from US secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves CBS. Family secrets is show where you can hear powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope listen to season two family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts branding my sex slaves boy. That's a bad intro. Oh Oh my gosh he's not here. This gives off the rails so hard. I remembered most behind the bastards. We're talking about all the worst people in all of history my guest today on a Salinas on how are are you doing today. I'm doing great. I'm so excited to be here on a you are of course the the author slash artiste behind bad comics. Vianna anything else you WANNA plug up at the top. God yeah you know if you're in. La Come Out TV I I perform on teams and check him out. Well you see be about a year ago today. We we talk not today but about a year ago we talked about how how it's a little bit colty and we talked about in the context of a guy who is definitely a cult leader named. Keith motherfucking rainier dead they interesting because an article came out about UC be like two days ago that really hinted at its colty and we are checking checking in about a real cult yeah and it's one of those things like I do want to reiterate when I talk because I have a lot of friends who are in UC be considered what part of their lives lives in this episode could get pulled trash talk. It could could be pulled if I trash talk it. Thankfully that's never happened before. any really good things things going to have a couple of little colty elements to you know a big fan of burning man regional events. There's a little bit ban. Ki Ki is like no cult leader. You know the key is the things things that make a colt like love bombing and stuff like that if there's no purpose behind it if it's just a way to make people feel welcome then is not necessarily a toxic thing like there's all these things that that can be pieces of occult but if you don't have all of the pieces it can just be a bunch of buddies learning how to do. Improv together. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah which doesn't mean that there's not addictive aspects to that or they can't have problematic aspects to that and the pain aspects and the pain aspects you you pay more to be more in it. Yes that's always the thing that that's always that I think that's one of the keys in addition to like having co leaders potentially as like how how much money is being. I guess when it's like a full-on Colt Colt Keith Rainier Style Colt that cult leader is making all the money themselves yes and now that we're back to Keith Ranieri. Today's episode is of course say it wrong every time in eerie renewing green area right yeah it is yeah and I knew it when we did it last time but today we're talking about the end of Keith Ranieri Yeah because earlier this month June of two thousand thousand in Nineteen Keith Rainier was convicted of running a sex cult human trafficking racketeering trial pornography and child sexual abuse he faces as a twenty year to life sentence and although he plans to appeal his conviction right now it looks like vanguard will spend the rest of his life in a cold cell wowed yeah yeah that's good news. That is good news. That is good news. I'm not a prisons guy drew. I am not either but he is one of those. Usually I think that like even for like really bad people like the the folks behind the financial crash and whatnot. There's other things than prison that you could use to punish them or whatever a guy like. Keith does need to be locked away like he's too dangerous. Wherever wherever he is he's going to do this? which is what his career has shown? This is the only this making colts is the only thing he's capable. That's his life so yeah. Keep them away from people Now the six-week court case that led to his conviction has revealed a treasure trove of new information nation about how nexium which if you remember the name of his cold like in expelled so confused quicken asshole spells it yeah I look at it my brain in reads v. i. Xxx Nixon the Yeah Yeah and they to make it more confusing. I learned as I was reading through stuff about the court case that members of the cult called themselves Nixon's which is more like the president what what like Nick Richard Richard Nixon yeah that if they'd call themselves the Knicks Cents Yeah like a Nixon politics or something Nixon politics which is just yelling the inward while drinking heavily right yeah absolutely and then like throwing up peace signs Nixon you got. That's GonNa be a fun episode of the PODCAST. You haven't done him yeah. No it's one of those things like week. There's so many these have me for that episode because I'd love to learn about tricky. Dick Knicks yeah and I mean all I know about him. I learned on in that movie with Kirsten Dunst. I think that's got most of it deck. Dick Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah never seen it but I assume it's comprehensive. It's a delightful light full female driven comedy just like Richard Nixon's life now. This is kind of female driven but it is not a comedy although he could make a solid solid comedy at all my God this not to be callous but this deserves homage movie in the style of vice that that's who yeah yeah yeah that that would be really solid with allison mack playing probably the the secrets gear yeah which one of the things that came out during the court case is that next thing was almost entirely funded by the The vodka grew yeah like they were. They freely port a lot of money into that wow yeah that I mean Seagram's vodka are they okay are there Jin to. They're not good the like in terms of the quality of their liquor in terms of the business model though they seem to be fine. Oh the feeling I get of the Bronfman family wealth is that they could have given hundreds of modern Keith. It wouldn't have mattered. We're talking like L. Ron Hubbard pockets here wow I will say if you're an aspiring cult leader and you listen to to this podcast which is smart the absolute very smart. This is probably one of the biggest tips yeah you could get is is don't try to a bunch of people con one dumb rich kids absolutely really rich kid. Petofi defend yarded well. Yeah like could throw away passenger jets every month rich kid and out here. There's a lot of them yeah yeah. There's a lot of them and until we the starving masses eat them condom out of their money because I won't I will not write about someone who just cons rich kids out of their money. No that's Robin Hood figure and if Keith Rainier had just been conning the Brahmins out of tens of millions of dollars because with them and yeah if that's not yes none of the sex the sex cult stuff which we're GonNa talk about today so in March two thousand eighteen re and his followers acted in the best traditions of scammers throughout history extreme and fled the United States from Mexico. This was because numerous law enforcement agencies had begun investigating Keith and Nexium for their numerous crimes now as everyone listening knows moving as an and extremely stressful process whether you're heading a new apartment two blocks away or fleeing the country and always sucks and after getting settled into Puerto Vallarta Keith decided he and his followers needed the recommitment ceremony. GotTa settle back in a recommitment commitment ceremony. Yeah that's smart that's like. I've noticed morale dropping. I just WanNa Make Chevron Ron psyched. Yeah Yeah and these are he. You know he had gone from his his normal stable his Harem. I guess you might call it was like twenty twenty one twenty two different women and he was down to like seven hundred the Puerto Vallarta. It's the same thing you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA break a couple of knickknacks. When you move recently lost beautiful in table that you get more but you get you get more experience but once you settle down and that's what Keith was trying to do you lose dozen or so sex slaves but then you recommit commit to the ones you have and when we say lose. Were they like in the press. No I think talking about it or I think they just weren't quite loyal enough to move into Mexico was the co-leader slipped away yeah either that or it may have just been like his funding got a little tighter and you only afford to move so many out these women with them right. I don't know the exact reason one of the women who went along with him is Lauren Saltzman who is Keith's long term partner in nexium one of his first line slaves in the Women's Group D D. O. S. which of course translates in Latin like an acronym in Latin for women are submissive master. I think is like the rough translation so yeah yeah yeah can salesman claimed on the stand when she testified against Keith ceremony was meant to include group oral sex to who do something special for Keith quote honestly. I didn't want to do a recommitment ceremony. I didn't want to start. Dos again we had to believe that we were under possible indictment but I didn't feel like it was my option to not go forward with their ceremony so saltzman claims that she's starting to get cold feet at this point and she's been she's been with him for like years and years and years right well. They're about out to the arrested and I I wonder how much of her contrition in like expressed disgust here is legitimate because I could totally see or being fucking tired of this guy right. You never know never know she could. She's gone along this far. Yeah and I mean at this point you you get the sense that everyone feels yeah shadow of the law and it's it's sorta hard to tell how much of their continuing devotion to him as like in for a penny in for a found and how much of it is legitimately being taken in by the the gift but we'll talk a little bit more about this. Is this a long okay so where's the members of Keith Sex. Co prepared to engage age in their mass blowjob campaign. Federal agents with rifles posted up around the house. Saltzman and several slaves had been taking a priori nap with Keith. She says she went into the kitchen to make a smoothie when another another first line slave ran in from the front room and told her police are out the door and they are looking for keith quote. Honestly I went into one mode protect Keith. I closed all the doors all the blinds lines and I looked out the window and all I could see federal agents with machine guns surrounding the property in Keith refused to leave he wanted to stay. Wow yeah okay what she she really making a smoothie. She says she was like they had like a pre blowjob orgies and then she was gonna make a smoothie. I get it you need nutrients yeah and and I feel like you want a smoothie after you that with Keith Ranieri Yeah I mean that part doesn't add up from that doesn't add up till listening now dot keet insisted a salesman that he was the protector of all the women as cold but rather than taking action to protect the women in the compound ran guard hid in the bathroom and desperately begged his slaves not to tell the cops he was their main concern was to protect Keith. It was almost automatic. I chose love over everything just like we were taught by Keith now. SALTZMAN claims it was keats arrest arrest and the way he's selfishly fled and abandoned. His followers died in the bathroom. That was the thing that finally lifted the scales from her eyes and made her realize she'd been conned during the trial Yeah No. Maybe I mean this is truly a movie waiting to happen yeah. What is your climax right there McConnell. Hey would be great ki through near my God. Wouldn't you know he he would nail that fucking. Yes he would. He does such a good grafter. mcconaughey would also be a good guru of a sex cold. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah L. I hope he's not. He's not he's not. I like to think better of Matthew mcconaughey yeah only since the McConnell have I wanted to think better of Matthew mcconaughey Kasan start when he was on a true detect yeah absolutely I didn't see each bomb that harmony crime movie but you looked like he was good in it. I'm sure he was yeah. He's a good actor treat pre- pretty decent to mediocre Bourbon salesman to he's a he's a solid salesman of indifferent Bourbon. That's true cars look. I'm getting so off topic. We're we're getting very off topic. I feel bad because this original episode was like five hours. It was a lot of stuff we have. We have less here. We have is real fucked up. I'm staying on topic so Saltzman claims that it was Ki- arrest in you know the way he reacted that finally let her realize is what was going on during the trial we heard from many many other women other than solvent about their own journeys with Ranieri Prosecutors claim that he called himself the smartest most ethical person in the world world direct quote and compared himself to both Albert Einstein Mahatma Gandhi. They made the wise decision not to let him take the stand himself so he never testified which I think is a good call. All don't let the co-leader test wonder though do you think he could've like hypnotized the Jerry. I don't know I wonder if for guys power like that is broken if he's not one on one because Keith was never the Kinda Guru like you look at his videos on youtube never had huge like he wasn't the kind of person like range of people wanted to watch I think he he strikes me as the kind of person who had an intense one on one charisma and that's how he kind of worked everything just ways coat was pretty small right yeah yeah. He didn't start a giant Mega Church movement. He wasn't Hubbard type like he clearly wanted to be but like Hubbard had that ability to on on a scale didn't an aunt and given Ted Bundy you'd had bundy because he could do it from the stand yeah yeah exactly and I. I don't think Rainier could do that but I still think it's probably yeah good idea. Even if all you're saying like fuckers talked enough yeah yeah which he has he has among other things thanks the victims of key three talked about nexium most beloved tradition. Vanguard Week every August members of the group who call themselves Nixon's would spend roughly two thousand dollars to attend a birthday celebrations for Keith in Silver Bay New York. The center of the event were tribute ceremonies vanguard a witness explained in court there was always sort sort of entertainment or different kinds of tribute ceremonies to keep from the different centers whether it'd be like performances of singers but it was all kind of centered around the idea of a tribute to Keith and celebrating Keith's work sort of like a summer camp for adults. That sound doesn't sound like summer camp fine if your key yes summer camp for me was like learning how to start fires person. Kayak yeah. Where's the nature element yeah. We're why we weren't just celebrating a guy maybe like because you have different tribes at. Camp we'd like four tribes and they were the different centers they were the different tribes yeah yeah and like even that doesn't because that sounds like like like like fun in Kuki cultural appropriation as opposed to like yeah just tributing one guy out. What do they mean by performances so it'd be like someone would come and do like a song? Yemen against their songs about Keith his wisdom and important now that you said there was like this oral sex thing going on in my mind. I'm like Oh all the songs would just end with Keith getting a blowjob yeah. I I think like I think maybe it's like a whole week of watt skis going down but all seemed around Keith Ranieri. Oh Wow yeah creepy imagine getting. I assume it was an email in email. Invite to that birthday party probably get excited. Started started annual keeps burt. They you get to spend two thousand dollars and then come up and do a song about him. Yeah input on little skits about his wisdom skid. I bet there yeah yeah. The skit part does sound like now now. I'm thinking about it. It's like Camp Theater Yeah I. I mean I kinda. WanNa do of an guard week where we all make songs about Keith Ranieri just without him there would that people think two thousand bucks yes. We're only up to hell. All all of your listeners are GonNa want that to happen now. If we ever do see this is going to lead to me creating a cult. This is just going to lead to me. I I you gotta be aware of that slippery. It's a fine line line line and I am this close to starting a cold at any given moment. I can tell like right there. Thank you for that. I can feel you holding yourself back. it's like I don't know what it's like. I don't have a good similar but I am trying yeah. Yeah well good for you. I'll fail one day fail one day and they will run for resident no catch me in the adirondacks with seventy or eighty people wearing white sheets and like a cache cache of weapons that cell going to have. You'll have his long beard. You'll have been like hunting deer for sustenance. You'll have been there for seven weeks. Yeah my go is the branch Davidian compound with better drugs in no kids. Don't eight-man could happen. No okay no because has some one of the drugs there will be forty six well. I shouldn't joke about that because that's where this goes. I shouldn't joke about about that at all. Does this is where we can joke I think before it gets yeah before we get to the actual leader. Forcing women have abortion yeah we we. Dan Joke about that at all. I apologize deeply. If I have a Colt I won't do that. Well good it'll be it'll be a coat where women can choose to fend fend off the FBI in our mountain compound. Okay yeah okay but also men yeah. Oh yeah absolutely yeah. No I mean although well fuck whatever kind of cult members you know it takes you over. The spirit gets on. Ya Yeah is still the FBI ATF Burns down It sounds like a commune commune. Colton is fine line. You just have to keep your profile well. No I really I. I'm not sure if it's the ATF I want to provoke or mm maybe the FDA because no colts ever been murdered by the FDA and I do. They have that capacity. I feel they got some grenade. Launchers locked away to good. I think is like four people who work for big corporations or just meet twice a month then the move around some papers yeah. That's the uncharitable view. The charitable view is that it's two very tired. People trying to explain to everyone that like turmeric isn't medicine. Yes that's true also serve an important function boy okay so FBI Special Agent Michael Lever claimed in court that at its height the organization allowed Keith to maintain a staple of fifteen to twenty sex slaves at any given time time these women were forbidden from even touching another man in line with nexium teachings that men were fundamentally poly-amorous while women were monogamous again. This is just bigamy the most disturbing the story in the whole Nexium Saga is the Tail Danielle when she was sixteen her family moved to the US from Mexico after hearing about vanguard in his wonderful organization the six of the moved into a two bedroom mm-hmm condo in Albany and began taking self-help classes. We don't get many details on Danielle in the court documents but I'm GonNa Guess Her family is or was rather affluent now when she moved to the US US stand yellow had never been kissed or had any kind of sexual experience. She was introduced to Keith during his vanguard week. Celebrations in Keith clearly fell in love with this again literal child quote. I didn't see Keith that way but I could see in subtle ways that he was flirting with me now. I believe he was grooming me that were grooming grooming sixteen which you know if you remember from the other episodes. Keith did a couple of times yeah yeah. One of them committed suicide later yeah. Daniel claimed on the stand that their relationship quickly escalated escalated in a sexual way but did not immediately escalate to sex itself that would have been to pedestrian normal Crimea for a guy like raniry. Keith told her that they would consummate their love when she turned eighteen. It was nice and legal in the meantime. He told her she was too fat and needed to lose weight so they'd be able to bone when she was old enough no yeah this is such a tool of of sociopathic dudes controlling wait yeah. I wonder how much of it was even like what he was actually turned on by how much of it was just the need control over them. which just it's an easy lever to control yeah? I there was a screener. Who is not that recently outed but like reality yeah? Oh yeah yeah I mean we can. We eventually was saying fucking Max. Landis yes Max Landis thing he did yeah yeah would tell his girlfriend's a girl he was stating that they were too fat and they needed to get thin and they were anorexic. Yeah I shouldn't say I'm maybe they were but I feel like they talked about that like they already had issues with saying Bang. Yeah it's common. It's a thing for like controlling men to like because it's easy because like there's all these societal reinforce to we're like any woman in the world can be convince. Vince she's fat just because of the way that filial yeah exactly yeah renew or a Daniel on the stand quote. He said he could not share his sexual energy. She with someone overweight yeah. Keith okay yeah sure yeah so we're GonNa talk more about what Danielle said on stage and we will get to the horrifying revelations that make it so very inappropriate for me to joked about Are you forty six morning after pills but I this is maybe my worst lead into ads ever you know what's better than gas lighting women into believing they're fat and molesting children anything anything but also serves yeah please by by these things. My Name is Danny Shapiro and I'm the host of family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from from US secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Family secrets is more than just podcast audio experience. It's also so a community a place for people to share powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope in season two we hear from a woman whose father's descent sent into dementia revealed his deepest darkest secrets and we hear from a man who kept his wife's terminal illness a secret to protect their children listen to season to a family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Ooh Ooh we're back Jack. We're back and we're talking about. Dan Yellow one of Keith Ranieri's victims probably has like most hurt victim like of the people in the least the we're talking about today the one who got fucked over the worst by renee okay so once she turned eighteen and was presumably thin enough for Keith's Sexual Energy Vanguard Guard called Danielle at to tell her that it was time and in the tradition of all great romances. He took her to an office building storage room to know what that's what women would now. He's doing right there. He is so rich at this point isn't he. I won't know he lives a quiet. Church mounts like existence. If you remember Oh yeah yeah eh trail so okay storage term best doors. We'll that's what I consider myself a romantic and if I know one thing about women it's that all of you desire the sheer erotic intimacy of an office building storage room. Oh yeah you read erotic novels and they are front to back just storage boxes a hammer mill paper reams or like like like pallets of of Blue Pins. There's a whole series about those storage units. You pick up the what are those called. Oh yes the door's metal metal doors that slide open stack in the set the smell of printer cartridges. Oh that's why the most popular men's clothing brands answer printer ink cartridge to smell yet. No I'll rub but like one of those from a dot matrix before going out for a date. Oh haven't had at six years but unrelated yeah now so they had their storage room liaison and after this Dan yellow was expected to constantly give vanguard blowjob several times per day. She alleges that she and her sister were forced to have group sex with Keith several times saying we cried the whole time import yeah now. Danielle and two of her other sisters were impregnated by Keith Ranieri and he forced all three of them to have abortions which he paid for Daniela claims that after her abortion Keith tried to raise your spirit by telling her that the operation was a good opportunity to lose more weight abortion will make you Ben. You told her quote. Olympic athletes abortions as part of training. That's so crazy I can't I guess at this point. She's been groomed. She's like being dearly manipulated. She is brainwashed where where are her parents parents are in the Colt. Oh they mean for Mexico to the US thing so yeah they've they've they've clearly fallen for it and like you know by the time they made Keats Guy in his fifties she sixteen so like he's got two of her lifetimes of experience just manipulating violating people yeah and she's a fucking teenager yeah. She's a kit yeah yeah so keith clearly took pains to make sure his sexual liaisons with Daniela Inter sisters. I didn't start until they were of legal age but she did allege in authorities. Found child pornography taken the girls before they were of legal age. I'm sure yeah this whole idea that you waited exactly Glenville. They were eighteen adult by yeah. Yeah I he definitely at the very least he had illegal. Porn of. These girls started sleeping with them. It may have been one of those things where he convinced himself that if he waited to actually fuck until they were eighteen that he'd be safe but like I don't I wouldn't be surprised although probably sending dirty text messages ages. He was definitely doing a lot of that yeah yeah it was. I mean he was having her lose weight to be ready to fuck him for two years in child trail which I don't know if that's exactly a crime but it ought to be athletic that to the books so essentially Daniela at one point after like starting her relationship with Keith Ranieri expressed an interest in a man who was not keen eerie a she apparently kissed a male nexium member number and that made him furious He told her that she wasn't pure anymore. Then he threw her across the room and left her lying on the floor. She said the world closed in on me. Every degree of freedom I had was lost. Dan Yellow was imprisoned in a bedroom for two years locked outside of where her family was living but unlike like didn't see her family for two years. Even the living in the same house was locked in a bedroom. This is yeah I now. I see what you mean. Yeah that's fucked next level level. Keith Bill Daniela's imprisonment as a solution to her problem behavior. salesman testified to this quote. Keith told me that she was stealing in that she had said she was going to lose weight and instead gained forty pounds Dan Yellow. It's been days at a time in the room sitting in the wall trying not to scream. She count days and poor through her memories just to try and stay sane. Saltzman claims she hoped vanguard punish Danielle because she was convinced it would help her prove to him that she could be a good mother. We were incredibly abusive to Danielle everything she did. We shot down the thing she could do was the right thing of all the things. I did in this case in all the crimes that I admitted to this was the worst thing I did think she's accurate about yeah this candour you're like. She pleaded guilty. Yes she put guilty to racketeering is what they got her on so. I think she would be like I I did what I had to do but she's being so frank. She is being franken. You know it is entirely possible. People do come to realizations that they did fucked up things and feel legitimately bad about them and maybe that happened. Installments case Kinda sounds. I get the feeling with that with her more than I do with Allison Mack. We'll talk about more absolutely but at the same time it is important to remember Saltzman. Saltzman was an integral part of nexium leadership for a long time right because she might feel some contrition doesn't mean it wasn't fucked up yet it. It was very fucked up does seem very possible. She feels some real contrition. I don't know the person while Danielle seems to have gotten the very worst of vanguard every member of the DOS women's group the so-called slaves were victims canary as well as in many cases perpetrators in their own right members were expected to provide their mentors higher level slaves with collateral ranging from naked pictures of themselves to in at least one case a false confession of prostitution addressed to the slaves mother makes the he they needed collateral so that if these people like left the group or spoke about it to the press you know it would be re released to control law in a lot of cases was naked photos. At least one woman said he'd had her write out a confession to like working. King is a prostitute that would be like sent to her mom. She said I think I mean you would never think that in the moment but like stepping back those does things seem not that powerful of blackmail because it's like once you escaped. You'd be like that was blackmail. I had to get out of a cult also so naked pictures is less of a this is one of the things that I think might get better about society after we get used to deep fakes like it's GonNa be rough couple years at the start initially. It's like who cares. If you've got her naked pictures like anyone you can have anyone's naked pictures at any point seven seconds pictures video not not just pictures videos and maybe we all just stop committee. Just starts stops wearing clothing. Maybe we're just hanging out our genitals for the rest of the time. You're kind of proposing that I I am. What I'm proposing is that the next set of presidential debates everybody's naked. Oh my God little. AOL everybody's naked level the playing field so much it would it would donald trump would not have made it far absolutely not not. I mean I don't know how peach would have done a lot better. Believe that you gotta see the guys ads like a fucking cheese. Grater believe poor guy. He probably works out at the gym mad gain. He's got a lot of add regret that he's working at. He's got a he's just listening to to fort minor in doing crunches for hours. I will say the idea of all reviews. People naked is making me slightly. Nasha do trip. It should but it would be for the greater good of democracy so so we have to do it. and also cops should always be naked tat. Would we crave a different that world would be no. I feel like it would lead to maybe more sexual assault it might. I feel like it would lead to less shootings though because less cops are gonna Po People over because they're exactly exactly so yeah. I feel like you might get a net good out of that but some more more sexual assault. You don't have to bring it yeah. Maybe now shouldn't they analyze analyze this theory of mind. These are supposed to be the moment of levity yeah. These are the moments of levity so this dropbox folder collateral was kept organized by small smallville actress Allison Mack the slaves who sexually service Mr Ranieri were all put on extreme weight loss plans in order to make themselves into vanguards idea of a perfect woman they started on one thousand calorie diets gradually restricted down to just five hundred calories per. Thank God it's not enough to survive victims would be ordered to send photos of their meals to mentors and ask permission before being allowed to eat but of course Keith himself was not required to abide by his own rules for his slaves according to the BBC while he demanded demanded the women around him remain excruciatingly thin the vanguard reportedly ate pizza around the clock in cakes Galore picking out on potato chips and hot sauce flown in from his devotees around the world uh-huh she wouldn't he eat stuff yeah flown. Oh my God at least you fucking crunches if you're gonNA sorry I don't want to say that you. I should be more like Jeb Bush but maybe he should he. Should you know what Jeb Bush all things considered. Nice Guy Mary to a Latina speak Spanish then then again a lot of people speak Spanish these days breath Spanish these days. That's the big thing in presidency yeah yeah. It'd be fucking awesome. If Elizabeth Warren just dropped Blake at ten minute speech at the next debate just go with it cool and then like cory booker starts arguing in Klingon and it just like what the fuck is happening it gives her that Sassy and he gave Tobago Start speaking yeah fuck yeah now in our prior episodes we talked about the branding routines also also required for DOS members through oppression in large group settings to spend half an hour naked being filmed while economizing pen was used to scar a stylized brand of Keith Ranieri's initials into their pelvises. The court testimony revealed that victims were told the brand stood for the four elements air earth and water and the pin represented fire a recording was played in court of Keith discussing how how to arrange the branding procedure with one of his high level followers according to CNN he asked at one point. Do you think the person who's being branch. Be completely nude or sort of help to the table like a sort sort of almost like a sacrifice. That's cool. He had lost his mind. Hid lost his goddamn mind. Yeah I think it started out as normal after but then became an insane person it always like you can't live that way and not lose your fucking skull people worshipping. You is a cancer I think that's true power in general yeah yeah absolutely sussman testified that branding victims were required to submit photos of themselves after the procedure in which allison. Mack dutifully added to their dropbox files. The photo had to be fully frontal naked. Our brands had to show and we had to look happy in uniform victim reported according to the the daily beast quote. If any slave displeased rainier he would kick or whip them before threatening to release their collateral photo saved under a dropbox brands and also testified on Monday. There nearly hit plans to jail women in Dungeon as a form of punishment. I said the jail cell was for people most committed to growth. They would get locked in a cage. She said on Monday I I was a slave with Keith is my master salesman said adding that she was forced to keep the role of Rainier who they had to call grandmaster. A secret in the society demanded a lifetime of obedience to your master. This is the worst case scenario fifty shades of Grey Yeah Yeah Yeah it's like I think it's hard to say maybe he got off on the idea of torturing these women because the dungeon. Oh you're envisioning like a medieval dungeon in that is delighting you for most committed to growth yeah yeah that's crazy that is fucking nuts how the group would meet three times a week week. In a Sorority House and whenever iria tended the women had to strip naked get on the floor and look up to him while he delivered lectures on matters ranging from his vision for dos to write a book to recruitment to his intent it to create a dungeon where slaves would totally surrendered themselves. Cool stuff sounds like fun meetings. I can't imagine it going back. I mean that's that's how these things work. I just can't imagine being in the room when all of a sudden it's like we're all branded. Yeah someone just got whipped and he's talking about the dungeon. He's about to build. It's it's all these little steps that lead up to it. You know like that thing like that's how it happens. You get sucked up in a call. I'm probably involved in like four different almost call to if I look around closely. Do whip a lot of people and talk to you about a lot of to carry one around around with me. Yeah Yeah like Hitler. You're right YEP YEP on no. I've gotta get rid of that. You really gotta you gotTa with one day a week. Take whip out. Yeah it goodwill goodwill. La Has a really vibrant whip sections. They do oh yeah next to like. There's five thousand different forks goodwill kitchen stuff and whips and other nearly victim who took the stand is known in court documents as has j. she took her first nexium class on August two thousand sixteen and it was a five day intensive in Albany. J. found the scores helpful so she got more involved with the Colt before long she wound up in. Dos US forced to handover collateral pictures with sexy pictures of herself on the first every month which she described as being like rent for membership in the cult Mark Agni Leo Ranieri's The nearest attorney insisted that all of this the mind games punishments and collateral photos were part of Keith Self Improvement Program. He claimed people signed up for it willingly. They were not there to go shopping topping. They are there to make their lives better yeah. I guess if you want to convince people to do all these awful awful things and have awful things done to them. You say it's for self growth yeah. Hey classic rift. I'm doing the artist's way right now. It's all about creative growth and self reflection and growth and you're bringing up some of these buzzwords than I am uncomfortable comfortable about how much there hasn't it with me. There's certain phrases that are like shortcuts to a tricking tricking people into taking extreme action and it's why I worry about the use of certain very specific words. growth is one of them really yeah. I've been using that word so much. Since I started reading the artist's way yeah it's it's just said it sixteen eighteen times trying to pitch someone on the buck yeah. I it just always like it doesn't mean don't listen to anything that has that that phrase in talks about it but like be really careful when people start talking to a lot of thing because like that's your you wonder like how will these women got into a point where they're letting someone brand them as like sacrifice victims it was because like it was all framed as growth growth and like it didn't start there but started his period of growth means paying you want to grow into a more fit healthy person. Jim and that hurts in dieting hurts and you want to build a career as a Hollywood or whatever and you have to make a lot of sacrifices and those hurt like right yeah but you know that that's how all of these people get oh. You suggest like it it everyone talking about growth. Every self-help plan isn't a Colt but be really puck and careful when you start waiting into those waters the sharks in their exactly yeah cool you know where there's not sharks products and services products and services not sharks sharks Dick Pills are which is one of our sponsors. Now Bill Lives Bird in again. This is a free add for them. You know I don't know it could be a Microsoft. Ed could be cocoa. Berry enthusiastic about Dick Pills. They don't promise you they promised growth but in a way that is very predictable right scientific growth era fireball yeah. That's great products not a scam not a scam yeah. We are living in complicated times. I'm seventy rule. MSNBC ANCHOR AND NBC News correspondent in my new podcast modern rules. I'm going to be spending time unpacking. Some of the hairiest of today's top decided. I was going to be a survivor survivor fights back he would board they want new. It's America listen and subscribe to my new podcast modern rules on apple podcast the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. Oh we're back. We're talking about things that are in fact scams so we were talking about Jay who took the stage age to talk about her time. In Keith rainiers Colt a quote from Forbes here her perspective changed after her master invited her into a shared dropbox account where all the slaves in her group submitted nude photos of themselves and other compromising information each month. It got scary. Jay said explaining how she would eventually realize that the photos could be used to blackmail her J. Jay testified that she I considered allison mack carrying a good person who would help her with her acting career but soon found to be emotionally abusive vindictive manipulative now. Mac seems to have been one of the a key members of this group and was like the one of the top level slaves so she must slipped Ranieri mastered. All of these women was responsible for keeping them in line again. Dan You know Keith is abusing these women but he's also using them to abuse each other in sort of like this tiered system because he just doesn't have all the time to do that or not. Yeah yeah it's eh herbal life of sex clubs theory of sex colts yeah down lines and shit eventually ordered to move from Los Angeles to a house near Albany Canarian his inner circle on the surface. It was so that Keith can help her launch a t-shirt brand delightful delightful but when she arrived she found herself trapped in a weird sex school to women who are clearly being ordered to starve themselves. J. Noticed that many of them were losing their hair so she joined them sending in her weight to renew each morning restricting herself to the same five hundred calorie diet how yeah J. testified. That volleyball was very favorite sport and true narcissistic fashion. He required everyone to watch him play. DOS members would dress in their best clothes and put on makeup to watch keith playful volleyball against him. I I you know I don't know I guess whoever had our men in the group was probably some of them during breaks in the play the women of Dos with lineup so rainier could kiss them each on the lips and takes walks with them one on one to talk about their progress. We're the so again allison was the person managing Jay and eventually told her that she had been tasked with seducing Keith Rainier. She insisted this was an honor honor and a privilege she was asked to Keith until he took a naked photo of her and sent it to allison. Mack is proof. This seems to be what finally shook Jay out of her involvement. In the cult. Everything was crumbling crumbling. It was my worst nightmare. Come to life that it would be a colt and someone who would want to sleep with me and that's what it was yeah yeah. The somebody would wanNA sleep with me was sort of the fundamental yeah. You're starving ourselves. I didn't know that was a Colt but yes. There's a fucking I guess everybody has that in a coal that moment like Russia this cold right yeah you're right and you know everybody gets sucked into things. I I guess I can see if everyone around. You is doing this stupid. Five hundred calorie literally wasting away diet the pressure. 'cause I even feel it. I mean I feel it when I hang out with like skinny friends and stuff and they're like I'm just going to get a salad. They don't need did arm like I feel like such a cow ordering my fried. Whatever pickle yeah I feel that way anytime I go to a gym in Los Los Angeles. Everybody looks like they were poured into place to go to JD. It's heartbreaking literal fitness models go to the gym going to Oregon again for gyms great going to a gym in Los Angeles where it's like nothing but fitness models works yeah. I'm on a treadmill on. Both sides of me are beautiful the full gorgeous hall models yeah. That doesn't make me WANNA keep calling yeah where there's there's guys just like casually bench pressing three hundred pounds and like look like a they walked out of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie John Wick. Really yes great and and they probably do yeah and they literally fight John. Yeah so Jay managed to escape the coat without out ever actually completing her assignment to Seduce Keith Ranieri on the stand for Near East defense attorney clarified. The job was only asked Seduce Keith not sleep with him because that makes it better okay okay. That's good defense to prosecution what I don't believe it. You don't believe I don't buy I think it was I I mean maybe he was like really into edging yeah. Maybe he was really into edging. I'll give it some water then like sure. Can you say that phrase like that water. I'll give it some water. Give it a little bit of water. It'll hold it now. There are many other horrific details. One thirty one year old woman who took the stand claim that Ranieri Blindfolded Line folded her tied her up and made her lie in cold table. William another slave went down on her against her will this woman claimed that she did not fight obeying Allison Mack's order to be a good slave. Save the part where it's like lots of Papin together. There was definitely a lot of really happened yet. Saltzman and Mac both eventually plead guilty to charges of racketeering tearing conspiracy both seem to have turned against their guru during her testimony saltzman went into brutal detail about the things she air force people to do she told stories of women forced to stand barefoot in the snow or locked in a cage she admitting to forcing valium on a slave who had what she described as a psychotic break which I'm going to guess was actually just a woman racking totally reasonably to the fucked. Thanks Keith Ranieri. was someone like finally yeah. You did not medicate someone having a mental health issue you drug someone in who realized they were put in a horrible position or I mean look if I'm to believe her fine then you drove someone to to a mental break which is possible yeah after hearing this the Brooklyn Jerry tasked with deciding vanguards fate did not need a lot of time to make their decision after four and a half hours they returned a four page age verdict finding Ranieri guilty of seven charges according to the New York Times celebration ensued prosecutors on the case hugged and kissed cheeks former nexium detail what a weird detail former next followers who would later turned on their leader pushed into the hallway to continue the jubilee mark Leo One of mysteries defense lawyers later told news media that when Mr Ranieri learned end of the quick turnaround he remarked. That's not justice. Oh yeah that's that's feels. This feels a little bit like justice to me yeah. Of course they were. GonNa walk away from that yeah think he was guilty. Yeah a bit details are so damning horrible and specific yeah like Doc. You can't make that shit up. No no and there's like phone conversations and text messages like dropbox. There's a drop box full. All of evidence of people like a full of Blackmail Mitch Twenty nine thousand nine crime very two thousand nineteen. They're using dropbox for blackmail and social meade's cuts both ways it can help you maintain your coat but why you would use dropbox when you can just use google email google drive. I oh I do have dropbox advice. I'm not getting funded by dropbox but I'm an advice my listeners. If you start a sex cult and you need a place to keep your blackmail dropbox really well you it has that desktop feature where you can use your desktop to move a file so if you have a big nude photograph that takes a lot of space you want that feature. You want that feature. I convinced myself into using dropbox for your sex cult for my tags. Call Yeah some. I won't be a bad one. It won't be like the yeah good non consensual yeah mine will be good sex colt until the. FDA starts firing grenades in right yeah man. What are you have to do to anger. I really WANNA piss the. FDA offline often around selling bootleg medicine. Are you comfortable. A lot of people do that in the FDA doesn't do anything that's true. I it's GonNa be hard to push him that far but I'm GONNA try. I think he I think you could could yeah. I just I wanna see what it looks like when they militarize. That's the goal that's the goal is to get the FDA pills at you or like certified meat products through something like that. I feel like if I really play Mike Cards right. I could get the FDA to assault ATF headquarters and then like right okay well. You know so you told me earlier. You wanted to run for president at some point. It sounds like after all this unfolds is the time to run for president after I've gotten the FDA to take down the ATF yeah yeah I think so because there's like a vacuum at that point so much infighting you just swoop right in. Y'All have been in the ADIRONDACKS for seven weeks. You'll be strong. He'll be full of natural foods. We and I feel like like if I if I attack the FDA enough that I make them. Come after me like there's a way to do that is like nagging eventually just like crave my approval and like Keith right now. It's not ineffective you just have to get get it to a positive goal like turning the FDA into a second Ryan Nag the ripe for me to improve my ability to Nag the right people. We all do and that's GonNa Start. My Colt is just teaching other people how to Nag. sounds like you're describing the game it shit. I keep doing that. you're going to be what's his name mystery and teach young virgin men how to neg women in bed but in my the case it's going to be held in the FDA into arming charming same these are small semantic detail well Ana Anna. That's the story Keith Ranieri. He's going to appeal but I think there's probably ninety. Five percent. Chance Motherfucker dies in cell definitely well which is great fucking. What an interesting thing. Have I guess some semblance of a happy ending to one of your story. It does seem like that. It seems like he got a thorough amount of obviously who has led to continue for too long and he really fucked up a lot of people's lives like as much justice could be gotten after this point seems to have been gotten like hey hey. He's never going to get out of prison. his crimes have been exhaustively detailed his victims have gotten their day in court looking at him in the face of him sentenced. That's about as good as it gets them. One of these cases yeah yeah. Is there any I mean I wonder. Is there any. This seems too good to be true. Is there any aftermath any followers of nexium that are going out and spreading his good word well. The one kind of downside downside is that Cunanan has really embraced this convinced themselves law ties between Keith Airey and Hillary Clinton which there aren't you just aren't that would be insane. Yeah how would those connections and there's a bunch of people like like a bunch of talk and qn on boards about about like the mainstream media is ignoring the verdict and it's like no dude the New York Times published a bunch of front page of the daily beast has covered care to people care. I do agree. We're doing a third episode on play. No no one's covering this up. It just has nothing to do with global politics so they think it's connected but to the whole all democrats are pedophile ray this. Oh here's one more reason the Democrats are pedophile. Wow that's picking and choosing witching and choose as a whole leaders you wanNA use his AMMO. This fucked up enough without like pretending it's other things can know lot of time on those huge spend much time on this message chilling. Yeah it's unsettling 'cause I read your tweets where you talk about like just so you guys. You know what's going on in Japan right definitely don't. Hsen four Chan is here right after read it and then Hsen is even have to prove yourself to get on Chan. No anyone can view it like. It's one of those things if you start posting there and you haven't looked for a long time. They'll they'll pick you out. They'll be like get out of here. They'll make fun of you until you to lurk more like it's it's one of those. Just things like it's essentially the same thing as a foreign language if you walk if you're a payroll work and you start talking in Spanish into debate people will know like okay. This isn't a guy who grew up speaking Spanish. It's like that like like with with these link goes but the chunks talk about Cunanan are a lot different because their goal is to get a lot of older people in boomers and stuff to keep posting and like draw them in further and further they actually have a lot of conversations about like how to welcome older people who are getting sucked into Q. and on and stop so like it's weird like these chunks of eight Chan that are like literal neo-nazis who are so online that it's broken their brains and then you've got like grandma's like pouring poring over q drops and stuff. It's everything's so weirding. Poor pulled in more and more yeah and those people believe that Keith Ranieri is a front of the Democratic Party are are you just a lurker yeah. I just I don't post right. What would you post woodhaven drive yeah. There's nothing to gain from it right yeah. Do you think I know this is a little off topic but do you think that this is a growing problem toe for sure. It's like they've killed getting more and more fifty two people have been killed this year and that get's fostered on the Bart's church shooting in the shooting in the in the poll boards and the Acumen on. There's been a two shootings in two murders in the last year so yeah wow so. I guess fifty four dead you could tighter soldier in the Message Board Army. That's really dumb war. If that's the case it's going on and it's on your Leagues Really Stupid War. The boy bet real no no just really dumb and frustrating yeah I don't. I don't know how you have the patience for it. I can't even like go to Breitbart and yeah remain sane. No you know we all pick our own private hells keefer near. He's picked his private. Hell right I picked mine and it's it's browsing eight Chan until the. FDA finally comes for me and you've picked Improv you know and what a private hell what the private hell in the public over. You throw yourself in front of. BMI suffering is both private and public. 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Ep. 42 The Nxivm Cult | Hollywood Sex Cults

Hollyweird Paranormal

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Ep. 42 The Nxivm Cult | Hollywood Sex Cults

"When I first came to ESPN I had on the surface something that seemed to be like the perfect life for a pretty good life like superficially materialistically. I was very successful. Oh I have the job I have the dog. I have the car I have the boyfriend I had the BOB above above about the clothes everything that I thought I needed in order to be okay and yet I couldn't stand and my family for more than two hours at a time and the idea of being honest with even my best friend was something that was so far outside the realm of possibility that I just Kinda thought you always look through life in authentically intimately and when I came to esp and I started to do the work in the coal slap do the work in the classes. I started to transform in a way that I never never expected like I literally didn't know that you could spend time with someone and not be nervous. I literally didn't know that it was possible to have a week with your family where you didn't feel like leaving. I just thought that that wasn't really possible. I thought it happened in the movies and now out that's my life. That's my reality. I haven't experienced with my family. That is nothing but joy and it's astounding Um It was supposed to to be a self improvement self empowerment group to help those find answers to their questions to find power and enlightment mint. This was a self-described American multilevel marketing company that was called Nexium that was founded by Keith Ranieri however however Gardner national attention in two thousand seventeen when multiple outlets exposed it's as a pyramid scheme and cult that forced is females recruits into sexual slavery and branding in year since ordinary and various members including former smallville actress allison mack were arrested and then later indicted on federal charges with the founder convicted of racketeering and sex trafficking it was finally made eight known that this was twenty-first-century sex colt join Hollywood paranormal as we take a deeper dive into the sex colts Hollywood and how the nexium cult shook not only Hollywood but the world the paranormal aftermath Allison Mack's Co Star. John Snyder of smallville has a little ghost story of his own of a little haunted house in the Hollywood hills so join us as we learn how to escape keep the nexium sex cult Hey guys welcome to another juicy episode of Hollywood. Paranormal fresh squeezed yes. Where are we talking about. Sex Colts. Yes sexual cults. I don't know what it says about that. I'm so obsessed with them. I am so obsessed with them called her sex. It's called any anything cult like I'm here for wearing across fit shirt. Though they're gonNA talk about me talk about the cross well guys we just recovered from a very busy weekend we had we were at the outlier fest we. Eh couple of amazing podcasters we hung out with two girls on a bench in we were of their panel or CFF podcasters others them invite only really really really sweet and it was an amazing event there a ton of link podcasters and we got to meet Todd Cochran nor hosting site blueberry mastermind behind blueberry the reason why we have a podcast host he's the guy so we got to hang out with them and then we got to hang out with coca. Flies is another podcast that we met we hung out with those two girls got to meet them very briefly and then of course the magic quest boy. They are amazing guys. They are a dungeons and dragons podcast and we got to meet Noah from the group and he was really really sweet and we we've been back and forth so we're going to be doing something then eventually maybe a part for our haunted. Hollywood bars bars because they wanted to do across over where they had you know they were. GonNa share some ghost stories Possibly you know record from Hollywood bar a hundred Hollywood bar. That's so funny because they are doing like a dungeons and dragons type podcast which is like you know when things start popping up and like you start seeing the number sixty everywhere in your life or whatever it actually dungeons and dragons. Is that thing for me right now. We're like everywhere I look. It's like popping up and I'm ironically getting ready to play my first game. One of my friends is getting ready to like hosts his own game ever since I was like yeah sure that sounds fun like it's all my favorite people like all join. I don't know anything about it. Whatever and then it's like started popping up so when he said he's like we do the Dungeons Asian dramas a big thing. It's always been a huge huge following. I think it's just like come into light with now with this like whole. Geek Ecus all surfacing yeah it is. It's really weird because like my history with it is that we were very much a part of the like satanic panic camp and I think even my dad had like the old like metal die cast dungeons and dragons like yeah like literal like thousands of them had locked them away in the basement so that like we wouldn't play with them. They were like forbidden to us. Of course we're trying to them and there was like little blake. Griffin's and Unicorns like these are really quick. No you can't play with in touch that tannock panic soups alive in our house how well that worked the two of seen him so extra but yeah let's see who else a shadow to Justin from the cut away podcast. She was also part of the panel. It was just a really cool festival to be a part of them and of course afterwards we hung out with L. A. Not so confidential at the universal city walk I but it was so funny because me Dr Shiloh in her sister. We're going to go in and do the Halloween. Horror Nights and Bryce wasn't but we had a bit of a horror ride prior to the Har. I genuinely of solid like we're never going to get out of this left. Ever Long. Story Short we get back to my apartment from out there. FESSEL wanted to change feed me at Walker and we were just going to catch a lift together. Universal Studios is only like ten minutes away from my from where we live close so we get this lift and it's a really nice woman. I I red flag is like she just was coming the opposite way and she did this illegal U. Turn and almost hit a car and then picks us up but then she made up for for it with the snacks and they were delicious cookies that she begged amazing amazing so her side hustle is you know her little bakery and and they were like Vegan veggies yeah they were amazing chocolate chip cookies and then she got on this whole train of explaining to us what she she does and she has. This bakery called Amazing Grace Bakery. She just signed a deal with the dispensary. She's GonNa make CBD cookies and throughout this time like we're driving with her she she is like driving. A little missing turns missing entrances and exit. S- and there's a point where Bryce was like we're not gonNA make get in here. That's fine look ten at a time when recommend those cookies they were in saint so if by some chance here's accuser fire not a huge fan of the lift right here and it was fine by one point. I was more anxious fueling the cookie in the car. Get a Texas Bryce ex to me. He's like we're going to and I said well. Let's find we'RE GONNA die. At least we have these delicious chocolate chip cookies that were devouring. I mean what way to go. One day Jesse these cookies and then we met up with Shiloh Dr Scott was in vegas so of course like he got to miss out on the fun fine but not enough liquor was one of my coworkers was like what would you do if I just drugged you. I'm in the middle of the maze and you had to find your way on the honestly. I just killed myself this year like I can. There's just no world in which I would be okay. No Oh it was amazing. It was a great great display of this mazes. I mean did the US the cabinet of curiosities and then we we did stranger things they didn't amish to two and three and then we did the ghostbusters which was phenomenal and then I left. I dipped out near yeah because my plantar terse fasciitis was like killing me and like shallow like my foot has a I I gotta leave my foot. It's killing me to have to go yeah so and sleep and yeah. It was a really good night. I really dig Universal Studios. Yeah even our office they they advertised on the radio and like our rep from the radio. gave us like free tickets to not scary farm and I was like thank you. That's so sweet but like I'm not GonNa in the Nice tickets. They're like the VIP ones get into not scary farm. One of my coworkers took them so they didn't go two ways but thank you so much so presented to me on a cheese tray that is handed to me by Merrill Street. No actually that would not be enough if it was like Justin Trudeau. Maybe naming let's keep our options but the bars Justin Trudeau shirtless or with the cheese tray either way either way garbage guys will moving forward reviews. Yeah I know ten cult els later so we are going to be talking about one of the most infamous and very popular colts that pretty much shook Hollywood recently in the nexium call and to open up as a little pre says we're GONNA talk about sex sex colts that have taken over Hollywood in the past. I don't think that nexium was the only one home trust me. There were some really bad ones prior before nexium and we're going to be just dishing a couple of those little details beforehand then we're going to cut to the chase and talk about Keith renew hairy. We're going to talk about his little early childhood and his early not so great professional life and how nexium start in. Oh Yes yes. Bryce has a Full Ledger Book on receipts on that guys and then of course the allison mack allegations when happen with the dose else sisterhood the sorority connected to nexium branding slaves everything you don't WanNa miss this out and then of course a moment. You all been waiting for ghosts. It's no there's no nexium ghost but there is a paranormal association so one of the stars from small built John Snyder from the infamous show. Oh dukes of Hazzard has a go story of his own so we're going to share that towards the end so let's just jump into this whole world of sex colts now. If you guys remembered in season two episode fourteen of the Buddha field we gave a really wonderful description of what a cult is and why cult was such a big thing especially in the late I would say late sixties early seventies. Y California was the setting of cults because California was a place of mysticism. wellness and people wanted to gravitate towards that another great episode to listen to as well just to get a good idea of cults in general is Our podcast friends Elliott's confidential season one. They do a really great episode on Hall so they are. They really really smart. They're released Martin. We are not just forewarning. We're really cute. We are at least yeah we have great hair all right guy so according according to Natalie Men's article on E. Online how cults take hold in Hollywood the myth of Manson and beyond now sex culture different to doomsday evil evil or other religious cults in one aspect but the leader of a church generally sleeps with as many of his flock as possible an surprising number of sex cult had been founded in the US. Maybe because of the freedom of religion in rich in the First Amendment of course and in nineteen sixty eight seems to have been a very popular thing being to have gurus to have free love and this was the whole ethos of the time free love almost all the leaders were male and and none were classically attractive Charles Manson but all exercises stronghold over their followers so the first one we're going to go over is the famous one so famous that they were even in a woody. Allen film the source so the source family were a rock and roll loving utopian community centered around continuingly involving list of new age believes it was led by Los Angeles Food Restaurant tycoon Jim Baker better known as Father Code and Yoda was a charismatic former marine and Hollywood stuntman with a long white beard and a yearning for spiritual enlightenment he enlisted fourteen wise out of those fourteen wives he birth forty two sheldon will they did and the cult move from. La To San Francisco and then to Hawaii between one thousand nine hundred seventy two to nineteen seventy seven the group was short lived dispersing racing in seventy seven two years after Yo- died unexpectedly a hang gliding accident. They were able to receive funds from a cafe cult. The source off of the notorious sunset strip which is now Cavuto Cantina. The source was so famous that it made a an appearance in one of the I think I can't remember the name of the film but it was a woody Allen Film and it's a scene where he goes into the source and he orders a bowl of yeast and then of course snl back in the seventies did a skit it over the source that starred John Belushi Jamila. She think it's John Belushi Belushi Belushi was part of that skit was rehoused any US which one was from was abused by both well. They're both it was Aykroyd and Belushi. They were both now. They created at skit and then getting me so mad at me. They go way to go. She loves US IS A show big big historical trivia nap now in Lafayette California the Purple People is a group that lives in Peop- purple houses and travels and Purple Limousines the highly controversial community officially called Lafayette morehouse formed in Nineteen nineteen sixty eight and has since been labeled a sex cult the members of this cooperative community engaged in experimental sexual and I say this with finger quotes research and believe in a life of pleasure the Lafayette Morehouse members teach sex practices and techniques and the group even used to offer offer college degrees on the subject some claimed residents of the hedonistic coop or free to come and go as they please and that the Lafayette Morehouse is a simple little community that encourages pleasurable living other say that the group uses intimidation tactics to keep members closed in behind their purple doors the free love commune faced public criticism back in ninety four when authorities arrested founder Dr Victor Bronco and his wife for possession of LSD LSD the arrest led credence to former allegations that the morehouse founder course students into taking illegal drugs and having free love under under the substances now Lafayette Morehouse which employs its own security guards to protect the property reportedly has ties to the alleged pyramid scheme. I mean of course and cult one taste a San Francisco business. The offers orgasmic meditation for Women Now since two thousand and one one case has set up locations across the world including London and Melbourne then we moved to one of the worst six colts and I one point. I had to shut my computer after reading the reports of what does this. Sob did who led this cult but this cult makes nexium look pretty small and that is the children of God a family international on obsess with children. I I'm still disgusted with them and we got the children of Guy. Guys was started in California in nineteen sixty eight by David Berg who's also known as Moses David who was the son of a preacher man but Burg became a minister for the children know for the Christian and Missionary Alliance but was expelled for you guessed it alleged sexual misconduct and alleged sexual misconduct with underage men and women. Yes not good not good. Originally the children of God church lived a communal life mesmerizing passages from the Bible in preaching in the streets it mirrored the free love movement of the nineteen sixties and the idea being. Everyone was married to everyone else. Orgies were highly encouraged but weirdly enough that it's still like hid behind the Christian bar women in the false were encouraged to have sex with strangers to try and get more people into the cult with the practice that David Berg termed flirty flirty fishing many men were convinced to join but three hundred babies were born as a result and most of whom never knew their fathers homosexuality homosexuality was condemned but not lesbianism and Berg also preached that sex this is where it gets very twisted guys but this is this is the reality of the whole thing and he believed that sex between children and adults was holy that it was beautiful and that was seen as a beautiful thing in the eyes of God so in Nineteen Seventy two hundred and thirty communities around the world at its height the cult had about ten thousand thousand numbers celebrity members have included the Phoenix Family Including River Phoenix and Joaquin Phoenix another one is rose McGowan but burke fled the US due due to allegations of you GUSTA pedophilia he communicated with his flock through Mo letters basically pornographic comic book messages and these continued it until his death in nineteen ninety four. The group officially denounced sex with children in nineteen eighty six shows. This was a really messed messed up sex cult there even reports of how David Burr described getting fillet show by four year old girl like like this is how disturbing this hallway so now we move forward to you guessed it. The nexium calms now the thing that was so interesting about the cult with that it involved Hollywood members and you'll eat so it shook Hollywood of course a wonderful podcast to to learn more about the cult is uncover with Josh Bloch who interviewed one of the women she is the ex member of nexium and of the Sorority Freddie dose in that Sarah Edmonson. I'm so obsessed with her. Yes is also ominous. There's this series. This is kind of how this we talked about this lassoed. There's a series on in amy e called extreme belief in calls and all of these calls come up so they talk a lot about that. There's there's all these survivors that they then are interviewing interviewing so there's like this woman who escaped the family of God and Sarah Edmonson is on the next episode got himself says with her because she just got out. I I mean the article in the New York. Times came out in like twenty seventeen so she's like the freshest out yeah a lot of the other survivors of course at the end of the season they do like survivor roundtable roundtable essentially just sort of talk about like the similarities and because at the at the end of the day it's about control and so like the things that are being done against these people are very similar even though like they might manifest in different ways but the woman who is the interviewee for the family of God call. It's it's just so heartbreaking. I mean really is 'cause they have like a really really high rate of suicide among ex-members because it's like all these children who were being blink child bride did to either the leader members optic separated from their families and they're getting married at like eight nine ten and then they finally escape deep and they're ruined essentially in like there's a really high suicide rate. There was that really famous video that came out in like two thousand six and it was like the grandson of the leader yes. I think it was Louise Mendosa. Yes yes loo- I if I get it wrong so sorry but I know first name is Louise. It was his video manifesto and he threw everyone under the bus before he committed suicide and then he killed his nanny as well who had like allegedly raped him and she was a call and it was this whole thing and so yeah and then like you're saying this podcast is so good. I'm so obsessed with Sir. I'm all the seasons are amazing. In the first season Nexium Siyam because Josh blocked went to school with Sarah Edmonson reporter of this series not only interviews her but interviews all all of the other ex-members even some of Keith's you know ex-girlfriends that you know he had in the past and they all had one thing in common they were all vulnerable under Keith's command. You know which is really really sad but this leads me to pretty much over this quote that we mentioned and in our cult episode and a dislike gives it such a great tone for what we're going to talk about so this is by author George Karl Heisman and she wants quoted worshipping the devil is no more insane than worshiping God. It is precisely at the moment when positive ISM is at its high water mark that mysticism stirs into life and the Foams of cultism begin which is one hundred percent true now in order to learn about next him we need to learn more about its founder and go all the way back to his childhood where we can get a glimpse on where the cracks of the founding. Shin started so key and Rene was born nineteen sixty two father jeans jeans Ranieri a New York City advertiser and his wife Bureau. She was a ballroom dancing instructor. So Bureau was an alcoholic to which is why. We think you know Mrs Pretty much starting ground of white. Keith is has his hatred. Let's say hatred towards women so according to James Vera drank a lot and drinking in front of Keith and even Keith at one time at one point describes his mom is just being an alcoholic Hollick. The age of five the family relocated from Brooklyn to suffer New York. When he was around eight years old his parents finally separated and from the nineteen sixties exceed to the early Seventies Rainier attended a word off school? According to a two thousand Eighteen Article Epoch Times Dot Com by Bowen Choi Oy Ranieri's classmates remembered him as a kind of loner who possibly only had one friend ingredients and it was a boy name Ronald and he was similarly unpopular blur in high school and didn't seem to belong to any particular social group. He's a sociopath a narcissist. Everything was always about him. He was always bragging about about how smart he was. How much better at math he was. He walked around like he had amid. He was a miniature professor said L. M. who was in the class above Rainier but road the school bus with him for many many years Mark Jackson an epoch times writer who sat next to Rainier during fifth grade and spent time with him outside headed the school said it was obvious that remarries need to be special had reached new heights when Rene came back to visit their school for one day in grade twelve now we fast forward to nineteen seventy eight rainier. His mother dies an easy to renew graduates from I think it's red renison layer earlier. Renton Layer Polytechnic Institute with a two point two GPA and during his time at RPI Rene met Karen onto to Reiner and she would remain among his inner circle for the next four decades. It's now in his earlier adulthood. According to reporting by The Times Union in Nineteen eighty-four the twenty four year old Ranieri became yes. It's sexually involved with an underage girl fifteen year old Gina Melita after the two met in theater group and according to Heidi Hutchinson Rainier he was also sexually involved with her sister Gina Hutchinson. Who Was it's also sixteen years old in Nineteen Eighty-four. When Gina was sixteen of age she later died from suicide. Narendra Ranieri worked as has a computer programmer for the State of division of Parole and in June of Nineteen eighty-eight. The Times Union profiled renewing reporting on his membership in the Mega Society which is a high Q. Society open to people who have scored at the one in a million a level on a test of general intelligence now after having achieved a high score on founder Ronald K Huffman's mega test a forty-eight question unsupervised vise touched test which had been published in April of one thousand nine hundred five and all of the mega test has been widely criticized as not having been properly early validated renew his name was listed in a nineteen eighty nine Australian edition of the Guinness Book of World Records. Now we fast forward to eighty nine to to Keats next downfall and that is the consumers byline so renew he founded the multilevel marketing company for consumers byline and within a year he ends up getting involved with This woman told me Natalie and at this point Tony Natalie is involved involved with another man. She's married and she has a son and both her and her husband or working as sales people on consumers byline but somehow somehow Ranieri comes between them she ends up having an affair with Roy neary leaves her husband and then soon grabs her son and moves to Clifton Park to be near where neary three so shortly after her marriage ends she ends up being with renewed for eight coal years Jim in Nineteen ninety-three Ranieri's Business Consumers byline shuts down after being investigated by twenty states that year new your filed suit alleging the organization was you guessed it guys appear mid. Scheme Gosh ask and ninety six or nearly signed a consent order permanently barring him from promoting offering or granting participation in an change this chain distribution scheme and ordering him to pay close to forty thousand dollars of fines and in Nineteen ninety-four Rainier created the National Health Health Network a multilevel pyramid. I mean a seller of vitamins. Ha Now that business surprise fails in nineteen ninety nine and then the mid nineties were neary and partner. Tony Natalie operated health product store in nineteen ninety nine Ranieri. Mary Meets Nancy Saul's men. Oh underlined that name because you're GONNA be hearing that other than that a former psychiatric nurse Orinary and Saltzman they pretty much funded the Executive Success Program or ESP which is a personal development company offering a range of techniques aimed at self-improvement improvement a few years later. The program was rebranded under the name Nexium an ex IBM now for nearly a DOPP did the title Vanguard Guard from a favourite arcade game in which the destruction of one's enemies increased ones power much of nexium was influenced by the teachings of of an rand one of Keith's favourite authors but eventually Keith and Natalie and breaking up and soon allegations of that break-up Cup come forward as Natalie describes that he was becoming a little too abusive now what is nexium and Bryce you have the receipts on the sign so technically nexium is branded like you said as an executive success program and what that means and I think one one of the reasons that this company worked as opposed to his other multi level marketing companies is that it was sort of this like business this seminar it was sort of how brands and so they would do this thing especially in the very early days where like you would go and there is the seminar obviously paid and they would tell you you know and I guess I should say this. Whole episode is like a giant allegedly allegedly because he has been convicted like last month ray but the things that he was convicted for come out like we're going to talk about the minute? Um mm so all of the things that have to do with like nexium itself technically is not why he's in prison so fine allegedly yes ah according to Edmonson than I trust her so I'm going to kind of take her side while trying to present it non-bias Lee because she was so involved in the call Elliott and so I think you know we can kind of trust. What she says was happening was happening because she was so involved but all that to say essentially there'd be like a weekend retreat that you would then go to like a hotel and they would have these seminars and they would essentially get you pay and then you would finish the seminar the big and now like if you want to continue like this amount of money so that's sort of like the very loose structure of this executive program? I and that you're like releasing your potential through these ways the first level is that like when you start feeling uncomfortable during this weekend a a fight that urge step one red flags but that was sort of the whole thing is like you're going to be here for this weekend through these very long sessions we the very short lunch break. You're going all day when you like get that urge to get up and go and leave this like we're going to challenge you to fight that and so they basically have all of these people and by the end so that was in nineteen ninety nine by the early two thousands roughly two thousand three they have like thirty or three thousand members essentially who are all paying twenty five hundred or more per weekend so they're generating a lot of money in a very short amount of time and they start getting people who are like semi famous. I would say or at least notorious right who are now members so they sort of have these like dignitaries children and and be list actors and like these sort of names who are now a part of it. AALIYAH heiresses yes and so it a they're rolling in money and bean gene. It's sort of getting this like like no not what I'm looking for that. It's like working essentially but I can't think of that word and so it starts getting more like reputable. Maybe and there's like Enron executives that start enrolling and there's lake government officials who were now how part of it and it's all being branded as this way to lake essentially manipulate your way into business success by like doing these things things and you'll be like the happy ever been and the most successful you've ever been so that's like the early two thousands and they essentially explode explode like it goes from nothing in the early nineties to over three thousand members like less than ten years later right so the first allegations thousands that it is a cult start happening around this time to two thousand four issue two thousand three two thousand four and they basically forced all of their members to sign in. DA's second red flag and people start like reporters essentially start investigating and they start suing. Anyone who lakes are to investigate the business and and they also they sue a reporter. I'm sorry I have his name somewhere. He's a call investigator in his name is Rick Allen Ross Awesome and he posts sections of their manual on his website and so they sue him for libel essentially and so that's like the first unreal like peek behind the curtain because there's actual copy of the texts now and this is again in two thousand three two thousand four and so that's the first like major major allegation that this is not a business seminar for executives that it's actually called and like you can see that basically the tax write. These people are in a call all and based on that initial posting people's like family members also start alleging like we haven't been able to contact our children we we are there like taking lines of credit out to like help. Pay For like these seminars like it starts like the family now starts involved make yeah our kids are like in Ecall essentially as you do so then late in two thousand three there are two articles that then come out one in Forbes magazine and then a series of articles in Vanity Fair. Oh yeah the expose s which are like huge at the time and again like they sue them immediately really as you do and the way that they kind of get around it is that a lot of the members alleged that they thought that the Forbes article it was like a positive lake free promo kind of thing that they were like doing a piece about the success of Nexium so they ended ended up talking to them kind of like cart launch and giving away like kind of these red flags secrets yeah and then when the article actually actually comes out there like pissed because it's like they said it painted them in a bad lay rhianna twisted their words and then again they sued them for libel and and they basically they like gave all the secrets about Ranieri and Salesman and and that they felt like tricked by Forbes essentially which like I just didn't give to be smarter than that but whatever their investigators. What are you going to do so now now? Where's the name Sara Bronfman. WHO's like the number three in command? She is like in this article predominantly gently and they do another article in Forbes in two thousand six specifically about the Bronfman's and their involvement mint in nexium and so they are the ones that like they have the financial records they've taken out like all these lines of credit and they've given like almost the second like two or three million dollars is more like it away more in sync like who has that kind of money and the people of course which means bowl and so they do like an expose on them and their father comes out and he's like yeah. My daughters are definitely call so it's like this very wealthy family now embroiled in this and again. It's a very it's like the second hit I would say for nexium but they're still growing like this really incredible rain in part because they just have so much money so like it doesn't really matter for them. Fast forward there is a final Forbes article at the in the two thousand ten can and it basically goes back to now the like problems at the Bronfman's are having and they have like a series of failed real estate deals and they have have a series of failed satellite nexium. 's and it's sort of starting to show like the unraveling that's happening and so that that sort of like the first wave of nexium allegations are these like very expose articles that they then of course like countersue but nothing really happens. That's the thing that's so crazy like up through two thousand ten but I noticed too they were all these articles all these investigations and it just like wasn't like nothing was budging yeah and I wonder part of that is like as a society. We kind of did that back then. Oh yeah like I it was really going to try and avoid a hero. Feminists rent income there's this one interview and Courtney love is on on this red carpet interview and because she's kind of crazy and because she's like wild girl and because like people blame her first so many things that she whatever like I get it she she has a lot of stigma around her interview and they ask her and there's a point of the story I swear swear they ask her. What's like advice that you would give to young people trying to make it in Hollywood and she stares the camera dead in the eye and she says don't go into a hotel room with Harvey Weinstein and this isn't like two thousand four out is true. Remember that and the interviewing just kinda laughs at Corny okay yeah and because commercial kind of crazy because she's like a party child because she probably probably wasn't that sober right. We just like brush it off and the reason I even bring up a because Winston but be because in general now I think we are a little bit more prone to believe victims now because we sort of see the scope of Osha it literally is everybody very few people are taking advantage of everyone and then tricking them into silence and so these articles that were coming out in the mid to thousands thousands especially it wasn't that long ago but in a lot of ways it really was and so I think that's part of it. Is that like yeah. These really damning articles came out but like nothing happened because it's just easy to be like well if they're dumb enough to join a goal then like they get what they deserve and now now. I think as a society were a little bit better not really but getting better hopefully at being like. Oh Shit they were manipulated. They are victims victims leaning Tillich believe them when I I listen to the first couple of episodes of uncover. I was like what the Fuck Sarah era come on. What was what was wrong with you but then learning more about it since that Keith. He's not a cult leader. He's a salesman men. That's what I was just totally is one of the best salesman in the world in the world because get this guy's this guy can honestly sell an open packet of ketchup to a woman in a white dress white shoes and white gloves but at the same time he can sell an empty water bottle to a man dying of thirst. This says how great this guy was into all these women he was selling this beautiful wrapped piece of candy with all of his bullshit in narcissism awesome inside wrapped in philosophical rapper and I think part of what he did that was very clever was that he got women to recruit through other women and I think that's disarming so let's talk about the mid two thousand since we brought it asked let's talk about this. Is I guess sort of like the second wave of Nexium essentially essentially an yeah when it really starts to get really hyper sexual and really fucked up honestly so like in the first wave there were for sure sure elements that are big red flags but I think mostly. It's just that people are getting swindled out of their money. unfortunately. I'm not trying to diminish that at all but here we DR and so in the mid to thousands salesman and her daughter they go go to British Columbia to Vancouver and essentially start the west coast campus of nexium and as such they they start recruiting bigger Hollywood names as we talk about the beginning of the episode most notably Allison Mack who at the time was on Smallville and a bunch of other things right and so she essentially becomes like this this major recruitment tool for the West Coast nexium campus branch. I don't really know what they call themselves for. I guess caught mean the exactly and so in two thousand eleven she basically wraps her time with smallville Allison Mack sorry and opens her home up as like a retreat center specifically geared towards this like as you said Sorority female branch of Nexium and this is sort of where the master and slave relationship starts being introduced into the culture of this Kalt yes and so you know these women are you know there's these people people in there in the next scene just the regular part and they're moving up and they're becoming enlightened and they're recruiting people and people are Sarah Edmonson. Sarah is a huge huge player in this so she joins the nexium call and is then recruited into dos yes which is dumb annus obsequious and cerebrum which roughly translates to like get the fuck out yeah yes. I believe that's the old old Latin version yes and so what happens is that they're assigned these like mentors and the mentor masters the Masters yes and they do they use that language but that you know they kind of downplayed what we say master and slave but it's it's like a mentor meant don't worry about that but then to be a part of this they essentially do what they call collateral and the genius of this is that there's collateral. Atarot the idea of collateral through all phases of Nexium so the way that Sarah explains it is that they would have you put up like a sum of money. Let's say one hundred dollars and if you you didn't go to the gym every day for that month you would lose your collateral but if you did you got it back or like you could roll it into the next one right so it it was like this very physical tangible way of like holding yourself accountable which is actually quite common in a lot of fitness kind of challenge. ENJ- type like you pay amount of money. If you like lose the percentage of we you get a percentage of the pie back so it's pretty common ray doesn't seems kind of innocuous. What excuse me keep chugging as you start moving up? They get like more and more now than just money now. They're having you know these women specifically who are wanting to join. Dos they're being told in case you need to write a letter letter saying horrible things about every member of your family and if you don't do we want you. If you don't do what you need to do to achieve enlightenment I think is Hollywood word it but like if you don't do what we tell you to do will send that letter and you need to take graphic revealing photos of yourself and like we will hold onto those news and if you don't do what we tell you to do what you need to do to achieve enlightenment will release those needs and so so a lot of these women. Sarah Edmonson included are like up and coming actors. They're trying to make it as we are and so you know I there's part of me. That does look like fuck. There's so many pictures of my Dick all over the Internet like just fucking release it. I don't care but at the same time again if you think about where we were in two thousand eleven think about how much Shit Jennifer Lawrence Scott when her nudes relieved ain't that she sent to her boyfriend like she was sort of this weird vilification like she's supposed to be good girl. How dare she take nudes. That were ripped off. Her cloud allowed for her boyfriend. We were not that far removed from that yet. So it's this thing where like looking at it now. I'm like okay but who who cares of scientology knows that you're gay just be free of that church call like it doesn't matter John Travolta. I mean like Oh yeah. It's like these secrets that they hold over you and and you're like yeah but that doesn't matter anymore like nobody cares who's gay. Nobody cares that you have nudes but in the early two thousands as an upcoming actor their career ruin irs and so they had these you know Sarah's one specific example but all of these women these like up and coming executives up and coming actors up and coming like entertainers Yup and they have shit on them and they're doing it in the name of like so that like I can help you achieve your most enlightened self and what they would do. Is that that if they didn't it was all a trickle down so the woman above you as your men team mentor. Excuse me she would like if you didn't do something that will now now. I'm going to get punished by my mentor Keith renewing but she never said that's who it was ranked. So then the women below her would be like we'll we'll punish ourselves doubly so that like you don't have to be punished as much like we will make make up for it in a way so so to say weirdly vicious cycle enter. Allison mack with her home as like the retreat for Dos S. are the home from ghetto exactly right and so you know this is now the late twenty teens and they're telling these women. I'm in like we're GONNA brand you like with this. Khader izing knife and it's like what you need to do to reach enlightenment. Titan men like the pain will help you be enlightened if you can get through this you can get through anything is kind of I think with the mindset was and so they like brand all these women and so that essentially triggers like that's I guess that the book end of the mid era yeah and also also that simultaneously the trigger for the final third era of Nexium which is that Sarah Edmonson gets out and she's like fuck this you just fucking brand handed me and I'm done it was the way that they were. Brandon has according to Sarah to it was it they made it sound like it was just going to be this little thing they're gonNA do. They're just it was just going to be this little symbol. little like probably a nickel size like symbol and and it was. GonNa be quick and painless you know but it was horrific like when you listen to episodes of her describing how they would led into this house that they had to be blindfolded disrobed laid on the table and seven women had to hold her down while they use the code rising knife on on her lower hip and the symbol was. I'm not even kidding guys. You could see this even on her book. It's like three to four inches away from curva. Jj It's really an ugly symbol. It was very very painful. She said it was worse than childbirth and also in the one episode of extremely talks about. She's like yeah they had all these things like each linemen something but then you look at it on its side and it's just his fucking initials initials shoals is it's a k. r. and then if you flip it another way is a. m. and again alison is essentially the head of DOS and so we'll surrogate sal and the New York Times article comes out she goes to the New York Times and if you remember it's like her on the front page and she's holding holding her pants down and you can see the brand on the front cover really bad brutal and then it's like this thing and because of her coming out hundreds of people leave nexium. Essentially I think it just took that. One person being like this is not okay. We keep being told like we're we're going to do these things and it's GonNa make us better people but they're branding is like it's not normal and I think it literally switches that Light Bob on and people's brain and they're like Oh fuck we're in a call and they start leaving mass exodus and so the hundreds of people even call overnight and it essentially as the the first domino in now the modern era of nexium downfall thank goodness as all cult- should be dismantled because has of her coming out and then starts opening up other investigations and there's now all these other women who start coming forward yeah and they're full on they've been coerced into sleeping with and being essentially like sex slaves and forced labor for for Keith Ranieri and so again earlier in this episode. That's why I said you know. The problem isn't that Nexium was a pyramid scheme because that's also illegal but it it is a problem. The problem is that he actually then is charged with sex trafficking and forced labor and all of these allegations winds and so he is arrested in Mexico because cowards run as Atman guard is now van gone yet Mutlu burn and so he's arrested in. I believe it's two thousand and seven. Ti least a Vallarta Mexico two thousand seventeen because because you know for men that's pleading not guilty. He's escaping to Mexico. I mean come on. I mean it was like what Tacos are that good over. There are Dr. I mean let's be real but like you're escaping your you did something wrong. Sex trafficking allegations against you don't go to Mexico. Just gotTa talk about they. Suck it out so he is arrested and charged with sex trafficking sex trafficking conspiracy and conspiracy to commit Mitt forced labor he was arrested in Mexico and then held in New York and arraigned in Fort Worth Texas so he then then plead not guilty as you said and the Attorney General Essentially States that Richard I'm sorry Keith Rainier he had created a a secret society of women whom he had sex with and branded with his initials course in them with the threat of releasing their highly personal information and taking their assets so all the things that they had like done to be like enlightened through nexium was being used against them essentially as all leaders do they. We're being told like you need to sleep with him to achieve the ultimate enlightenment which isn't that how it always fucking is it always is like. Thapa was very shocking to were the allegations and the statements by these men and women Can we talk about the requirements what's that these women had to add here in order to be in. Dos and the type of women that Keith Rainier he was attracted to so. I researched this That part of the next teachings also touted the need for men to have multiple sex partners but for women to be monogamous monogamous short. That's specifying assignments required the women Ted here an extremely low calorie diet a healthy calorie diet. Hi is usually between eighteen hundred two thousand calories. They were required to have an eight hundred calorie diet. They were supposed to look very rail thin because that was the type of woman that Keith Rainier was attracted to he wanted them to physically and not only feel oh but physically look vulnerable no offense to the Olsen twins but make him look like he wanted them skinny as a rail so he can sleep with them. That's how fucked up it is. If you see allison mack leg when she was present during his arrest she looks Hor horrific -ly Fen yeah there you go another thing too that came forward with that that whole branding was allison mack's idea so she's actually she was also arrested. Oh of course where she needs to and so that's the whole thing too. Is that like we talked about. Rocking Hollywood is now. Here's this woman who's like being accused of being essentially essentially the number two in a cold lane Hollywood starlets. Don't join calls. Do you know what I mean. It's that whole thing but she's a co-defendant of the DOS lawsuit because it was at her home and she was recruiting women and she brand human tool. She was holding them down branded. It's like God God. Can we have gotten like a tramp stamp instead like like that. It was so horrible. She's got attacked because someone me to commonly. Can we do tattoos like are you kidding me. Tat Is is what you do in your drunk. Let's be brand because that's what we do. When we're in a cult yeah you know of course don't get branded. y'All do not and she was trying to recruit some big name's Emma Stone Kelly Clarkson through some cryptic tweets that was being you know hidden behind a feminist bar of Moore's law well that was the whole thing is like they're strong like feminist women. It was a great power yeah but they're being manipulated coerced by a man you love that he asked so his. Federal Trial Keith Ramirez was actually this past May and he was convicted in June and for racketeering and sex trafficking so a little justice. Yes sucker guy but a little bit of justice a little bit of justice. It is very disappointing pointing to hear a lot of the people that are still nearly fans. They're still his followers. They're trying to lean existed. Yes exists. I'm sorry it's still exists you. Can still take classes. If you know someone. That was another thing though if I found interesting too is that it was like like a karate class that you all all of a sudden like I think when you took certain amount of losses you're given like different colored sashes yeah that was another thing that was like pretty interesting it while doing this research to that in order to get to the enlighten level you had to go through like a certain level on color sashes apparently were nearly had the belong majestic white sash one inches funny that those things coincide with like the amount of money you donate yeah funny how that Works Thunder so now here we are and like you said they still exists technically not in the same manifestation and hopefully the people you know at the end of the day like if people get something out of it. I hope that the people that like only lost money and again not diminish diminish their suffering but I hope that they genuinely did get what they felt that they paid their money for because a lot of people swear by like No. I really did really it helped in business. It helped me in my marriage. I really hope that that's true that like some good can come out of this and then like the women who are victims of this man's like psychosis like get the healing deserving sirven. I mean there are a lot of famous people that felt like they were able to overcome a lot. things that held them back and I mean this is like people would they have to understand unless you guys have to understand that this was just a self help group. This is how it was presented and there were a lot of people that came forward and said no this group really helped and I think the people that got really he got involved in the crevices of this group got sucked in deeper and deeper into that dark hole and they couldn't get out you know they're brainwashed and Sarah Sara Edmondson even says she's like I was absolutely one hundred percent brainwashed and so funny because she and this is very very common and the I watched the yoga sex call that was here in. La Buddha fell. Thank you my brain. Just fallen blink. I too was brainwash but it's funny because in a lot of these cults there's things that echo each other yeah because like I said earlier it ultimately is just about control and the way that one person can exert control over their their followers and so those things might manifest in different ways but the root cause is the same so there are echoes of each other and it's really funny because a lot of the members of the beautiful when they talk about it they would say well. We used to joke like Jabba. If we're in a call at least we're in a good call and Sarah Edmonson said the same nee they know you're right and so she's talking about and she's like we used to joke in. We would say y'all are in a call. At least it's a good call. At least it's helping us like be successful successful in like. We're not having to do anything that we wouldn't. WanNa do anyway until you are. Yes and that's one of the things so again. I know I keep talking about it but on this episode of extreme beliefs colts they have like a round table discussion in this one woman from I forget what you call it. She was in shoot the family maybe the source. I might have to look it up. I'm sorry but she talks about it and she's like nobody thinks they're in a call until they are and there's unfortunately nothing you can do to protect yourself because you think it won't happen to you and that the best thing you can do is to like listen to the red flags in your heart when they start arising but that's the things that like colts are really good. Leaders are good at what they do. They're narcissistic sister young charismatic at the same time. It's like getting involved in the very very hadn't toxic relation showroom so with a man that likes to read and rent. Maybe just chapter teams live yeah dating a narcissist. It's a real bitch. It really is I dated a guy in Grad school who I knew in middle school and he found me on facebook we started talking and and he was a huge he was big in the beauty community because him and his family. I'm not GonNa say where and what kind of company but this is a huge beauty company and they created created something that leak blew up in the beauty community and they're like millionaires right and while dating him I really really didn't understand what it was like dating nurses until I dated him in the one thing red flag of dating and narcissists when they keep bringing up fucking the atlas shrugged by an Randall off. It's like you gotta read this read it. Yes jungle wannabe. Yes I've read. I've read it. The love that book but the one thing that an ran couldn't overcome and cannot debate is depression. That was something that even her biggest idol John Gold her character. You know she couldn't explain how he would have like overcome that so there are a a lot of things to that can bring down you know especially a leader like key three will ultimately. I think with a lot of leaders it's their own Hubris to ask that. They're invincible but in the end of the day they think with the wrong heading not talking about the one on their shoulders sex sex sex cult not all of his ex call. Now I know well that is our discussion of nexium cult. Bodas know what you think and now we can go and transition into ooh the paranormal aftermath but before we do that here's a little promo from our friends at stitcher pro. Hey Boo. Hey it's bryce mature. Williams we are from Holly Weird Paranormal and we just wanted to take a second to recommend some great other podcasts that are available now on stitcher premium. If you're looking for some new true crime then check out true crime garage judge off the record. The latest project from the guys of true crime garage hosts. 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What does the Paranormal Association between Allison Mack and John Snyder later well both of them were in Smallville show and according to John Schneider in his interview with celebrity ghost stories he has a a personal ghost story of his own so according to John Snyder Star of Smallville and Dukes of hazzard him and his wife end up buying a little old house in the Hollywood hills and they did some renovations so you know where this is leading right so oh him and his wife make some renovations because it's a house that was built in the thirties and forties already has history and the first night that they're sleeping in this house they were awoken by what sounded like shuffling like someone was trying to look for something in a set of drawers so it's not only John on but him and his wife both wake up to the sound of somebody rummaging through drawers and look up and there's this man in Fedora and trenchcoat. That's what's the scariest part and trenchcoats might be like a streaker or something how right and he you know kind of motion suicide wife like are you seeing this. Is this really happening. An out of nowhere the man who is rummaging through the drawers ferns Aroun- down and looks at them acknowledges them but then looks around as though he's lost so John. Things it's a dream. It's a weird but the way that this man was dressed was definitely out of the ordinary was definitely out of the decade. He looked like he belonged in the forty s so he goes back to asleep. She thinks honestly this is a dream so he and his wife wake up the next morning and they simultaneously tell each other away. We had a weird. I had a weird dream last night and John's lightweight. You just dreamt the same thing I dreamt so that's when they realized it really wasn't a wild dream that this may have actually happens happen so the wife ends up finding this woman in I guess in their little community of friends to come in. She's sensitive and a psychic so she tells them she asks him. I like did you do any renovations on the house and the woman you know his wife tells them yeah like we just renovated the house upstairs our master bedroom. We turned it into one large room. It was two rooms. We knocked down a wall all and now it's just a large bedroom. She's like that's what it is odd. So your house came with an energy. It came with one of its owners and when you disturb something in a house that old your awakening something in there that you know was connected to the property so it turned out that there there was a man who owned the House and they don't know if he died in the house or maybe he died somewhere else but he was very much connected to it and when he when John said you know he when he turned around looked at us and then kind of look lost it was as though he was trying to figure out where he was and he he said it made sense because we renovated a majority of the house. So of course it didn't look like the original plan and that kind of echoes what we mentioned time and in timing again with haunting when there's a ridge residual or this common occurrence of a figure walking through a wall or walking into a closet or through a window it's like what was the original plan of House or what was there. Originally you know those are things that we always bring up. You know sometimes energies connected took place in when that energy is disrupted it you know. Lord knows what it can do. Go through your doors three doors. Go through your underwear drawer to not go through. Ya Aw I love the instinct of like someone on a house. Let's just go back to sleep right but I was thinking like okay. They're living in the Hollywood hills. They have to have a good security system so I I think he probably would have thought lake way if someone would have broken and the alarms would have gotten off right no offense vineyard afford to buy a house in Hollywood hills. there's a man in our room. We should go back to bed. Hon Go to sleep. We're fine okay. It's all right his three piece suite yeah. He's an help I needed to do to Rob Hollywood hills homes. Where do you look like a blues brother's. Train really creepy isn't it but I was trying to find like some sort of paranormal association a and then I remembered like waiter remember watching episode which Snyder and then I went back to it and like yes. I forgot that he was in Smallville. Yes Oh he is his he was on that show and he was in smallville alongside Allison Mack interesting part of me. Though I rent bring earlier I wonder if down the road more paranormal type things will come out because it's still such a fresh called still so new. Do I mean these women were just getting out two or less years ago but in the the one episode on extreme beliefs and colts they talk about one of the things that Keith Rainier would do is called the fear experiments. That's right it would show these Komo women but these new younger members this video of the Mexican drug cartel beheading Group of women from from the early two thousands and they would like do it quote in the name of science note show it to them over and over and over again and the reason I bring that up a just to show how audrain to this whole thing was but being that energy that like unleashing of people's fear will have effects. You know what I mean. There will be ripples of that yeah. I think we might be a little close to the epicenter to really know what that trauma will look like but but I wouldn't be surprised if down the road people start saying like this kind of thing is like starting to show a pattern because all of these people people were releasing so much fear. I wouldn't be too lies. You know maybe it could create what we've mentioned. In the past of Topa own yeah I had a really good discussion with this amazing beautiful individual that we're going to have on our podcast but I met him at the Dell the Dell L. he marcus shop in that Zachariah the rich and we met at the shop and we had this amazing discussion he was like telling me we're talking about the jeans house and now that's going to be a new thing. Thanks but he did something by Jane's House he said Yeah Yeah. I don't think places are haunted. I believe people are haunted because they carry a lot of energy with them and you know I've gone to places where it was originally haunted but the people that visit these places constantly leave something behind us and I and I just mentioned you think like Topa. He's like Oh absolutely oh oh stugotz hopeless crazy yeah just like a manifestation of people's energies like can you know pretty much conjure up something otherworldly one hundred percent. Maybe one day you know someone moves into Allison. Mack's house and there's something weird. They're they're gonNA go into that area where they did the brown branding and they're gonna say something like Oh. Oh it's a weird vibe in there is very weird. It's other Hassi Tori. I just feel so uncomfortable. You never know you never know I think gorgeous. I don't think there's been enough time for us to really understand or have to have heard if those things are happening but I would not be surprised like in ten years. If some of that stuff starts coming out oh yeah wouldn't be surprised at all either heard it here first. Everything is even by David Omen Taus when you go up up that drive you know people feel a sense of being watched and they feel a sense of dread but I don't know if that's to contributing to the fact of what they already know occurred heard in that property what they're bringing bringing to it. That's another thing but also that's another thing too that Benedict Canyon can be another entity itself because after doing another investigation with Craig Owens at the David Omen House Craig brought up a really good point. I don't think it might be just David's house. I think is just all of Benedict Canada yeah and it's true because there's been a lot of council psychics incentive sensitives that and when they first set foot in Benedict Canyon it's beget a wave of emotion motion sensations but that Canyon that Kenyan speaks beyond beyond words like it's there's something there yeah MHM because in the basement room with the exposed dirt like Oh yeah I really competing with the Earth as much as anything and wine just saying well guys that is our episode of Nexium. Yes we escape. Did we did look at someone. Who's probably let me just tell you I really do think that like if it came out with the crossword call call I wouldn't be surprised checks all the boxes I just happen open to be like a low level member ray like in the pyramid of it but like there's a leader his name's Greg Glassman. There's a number to his name is Dave Castro and there are people who are in the inner sanctum there the Cross for athletes who compete every year and they're like the elite and and they have privilege and access that normal members really don't have like I paid dues essentially like you have to pay like I've had a membership of course but like the gym itself pays. You can't just open gym and say it's across with Jim. You Pay Crawford each queue. Wow so like the structure is there. There's a lingo literally wearing Shirley's shirt when we were working. I'm talking about yeah and it's like it's really good. Colt right but it is able say. At least it's fitness but like you know there are certain red flags not to drag episode out but there's like one time last year where there was like this specific workout that was really infuriating for like a lot of people who are skilled athletes athletes sorry this is very boring and I like commented on the cross page before they like deleted all of their social media which is like a thing it happened this past year again the super radic behaviors and someone said you should be careful commenting on my comment and being like you should be careful or hell ban you aw and I was like you're telling me I can't question this leader. That's a fucking red flag. If you can't question the leader that's a call. You know what I mean yeah so I'm showing a cow. Oh really like all your dad my favorite murder call your dad so don't be in a call kids. I mean can we agree agree that maybe cross fit is like the white claw of colts yeah and I don't think it actually as a call in the sense. I think that if it came out that like the elite athletes fleets yeah were in cahoots with like and we're having things done to them that were much more call like are they not surprised do. I think that's actually happening no do. I think that cross fit fit all the boxes of a call yes. I do think that you change your diet. You Change Your schedule. Change overnight culinary change a clothing change your friend group it. It takes the boxes but again. Lots of things do so just be careful friends. Don't call don't let anybody brand you. Don't and just do some yoga. You'll be fine. Go Yoga's so cute. Arzi linked to poop on you. That's the that is a dream. I'd rather be shot by go. Oh then literally all right guys so before we leave you have some shadow shutouts to book of lies shout out to two girls on the bench L. A. Confidential and show and the magic quest boys of the DND world and of course shadow to our friends at the cut away podcast Ashley and just steamed lady squad US obsessive course guys and here's a shot to a new little organization a little group that is actually starting towards worse in downtown. Los Angeles not a cult. Don't worry but one of our listeners. Christina started a little walking haunted tour of haunted bachelors in downtown. Los Angeles she was inspired by our haunted bar episode and she has a group hold booze and booze so follow them on instagram guys so she helps coordinate these walking bar tours through these haunted locations and you get indulge in some alcohol indulge in some ghost stories and you get to walk home with a little like failure to protect you from all these negotiations that might follow you home. I'm I'm a need some more sin. Maximum need some more. I'm GonNa need some more thing of backpack second guys October fifth. If you live in and around the San Fernando area then there's a huge little screening sixtieth anniversary screening of plan nine from outer space yes one night only Saturday October fifth starting at seven pm tickets or thirteen dollars. It's going going to be screened at the San Fernando Pioneer Memorial cemetery and I was just at that cemetery last night with Craig. Owens and we didn't investigation. We think there's something there there's a tale of an Edwardian woman that walks around the cemetery the woman and Brown and there's even tales sales of things in my belly but while we were there we collected some interesting evidence every time we made a comment about like the people that were buried there. The history of the cemetery read out loud. The peoples tune stones are okay to go off amazing. It was amazing. We felt some interesting cold spots and it was a bit of a warm night so it was pretty interesting night. 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The downfall of NXIVMs Keith Raniere

"Come journey across the globe in an immersive storytelling podcast with film maker Salim Russian Walla on pin-drop from tat this season checkout musicians trying to save an indigenous language in Lima. What happens to the Tourism Paradise Rapanui also known as Easter Island when people stopped showing up and explore what it means to start a black utopia you can listen to pin-drop wherever you get your podcasts. This is. PODCAST. Hello I'm. So three years ago if you were one of the women who had been victimized by Keith Ranieri the man seemed untouchable Rainier was the leader of the cult Blake and nominally self help group Nexium. Now, that's all changed in a US federal courtroom on Tuesday. Keith. Ranieri was sentenced to one hundred and twenty years having been convicted of a slew of crimes including turning some of his followers into sex slaves and branding them with his initials. Tourney me to explain how renew his house of cards finally fell down as Josh Block. He's a familiar voice on this show and he's also the host of uncover escaping nexium. This is from Brown. Hi Josh thank you so much for coming on the podcast again. So soon, hey, Jamie it's good to be back on the show I didn't think. I'd be back this soon. Look I know you've spent years looking at organization one hundred and twenty years. Rene got today Did you expect this to happen? I you know I was thinking back to when I first ran into Sarah Edmonson who was my childhood friend who I ran into in two thousand seventeen. Sarah Edmonson. We met when mover to. We went to the same daycare. Last. Summer Ranch on Hornby island British Columbia. I hadn't seen her in about fifteen years and we have one of those disjointed conversations you have as run after small children. I told her I work at the CBC. And she replied. I left to call. And at that time, you know nexium was in full operation they had centers across North America they were looking to expand into Europe he people were signing up for the self help workshops and today you know the the sentencing. Is the remarkable end of this dramatic unraveling of the organization that's happened so quickly, so you know perhaps. More recently I perhaps less surprised. But when I think back to starting to look into this organization, it is quite remarkable and and remind us what Raniry was being sentenced for today right so so last year in the same courthouse Keith Ranieri had a six week trial and he was facing seven counts which was found guilty on all of them and they range from sex trafficking to child pornography to racketeering, which is this this charge that's usually reserved for you know Mafia and criminal organizations but the prosecution made this case that there was a pattern of illegal activity happening in Nexium and that Keith was essentially a crime boss that was using nexium for his personal gain for For financial gain to procure sexual partners and you know a big chunk of their investigation focused on dos on the secret women's group inside the organization that women joined thinking they were joining a women's empowerment group and they handed over collateral in the form of of nude photos and explicit videos, and once they were handed over, they talked about how they were essentially blackmailed to Some of them were many of them were branded on their body with the initials of Keith Ranieri Remember you think. The Person Who's being brandon should be completely nude and sort of held to the table like A. Sort of almost like a sacrifice. And that that's a feeling of submission. some of them were instructed to have sexual encounters with Keith. And they felt that if they did not comply with those demands, they would have their collateral released and that their lives will be destroyed i. mean that's where the kind of sex trafficking charges come from, and so the judge having founder neary guilty of the sex trafficking and of essentially being the head of this criminal organization. What did he have to say today when he sentenced him to one hundred, twenty years? I mean he he first of all in addition to sentencing him also slapped him with a significant fine. I believe it was one point, seven, five, million dollars. He also instructed Keith Ranieri to have zero contact with any nexium associates which is very important for people who have left the group that WANNA see next meal completely collapsed and he was. Very clear that he was unimpressed with Keith Mary's lack of remorse in this case and and certainly that has played into the significant Just just how long this prison sentence is right and I want to get to his lack of remorse in a moment. But first, if we could spend a little bit of time talking but survivors here, there are fifteen victim impact statements that were read on Tuesday some pretty intense statements about how our nearly left many women traumatized and can. We start with the first woman to give a victim impact statement woman named Camilla. Who is she right? Yeah. She was just identified as as Camilla in the courtroom and her testimony. So heartbreaking, she was fifteen years old. She says, when Keith Barry I began sexual relationship with her and that relationship went on for twelve years and she says that she was She just had her her childhood and youth robbed from her that she said quote he he used my to do whatever he wanted with me not just sexually. But also psychologically, he manipulated me into what he wanted for his own reasons for his own pleasure and and you know I it is very remarkable to hear her case because it's it's her case that is the basis for the child pornography charges that Keith Rainier faces I, mean they the FBI found nude photos of her when she was fifteen on his hard drive So very heartbreaking to hear, and obviously I, I presume very dramatic for her to provide this testimony directly to. Him Right. I saw the New York Times was reporting that she was advised not to participate in the trial and then This was the first time that she actually decided to speak out on Tuesday I know her whole family is entangled in this as well. Right and her sister also spoke on Tuesday and her sister had been ordered to be confined to a room for almost two years because she apparently kissed another man. Yeah, that's right I. Mean it's a the the story of this family. So bizarre and so tragic and this came out in the trial as well that she was you know keeps manure he had sexual relationships with three. people in that family and this woman committed what they call an ethical breach, which was that you know if you're in a relationship with Keith Rainier, you're supposed to be entirely devoted for him. You may not be with other people and she had admitted that she had a crush on another boy and she was confined to a room for almost two years and actually comp the next. took away her passport. She's a Mexican national so she really couldn't leave. And was stuck there and that was. Her story was very powerfully recounted in by her in the trial last year written I understand the whole family has been torn apart by this Rainier apparently had a sexual relationship with all three daughters in this family and the oldest daughter and the father. are still supporters for nearly This is such a tragic story. I WanNa talk about another. One of the survivors here millions of people have heard your podcast and are familiar sick boy podcast is now part of the CBC family. Each week we tackle health taboos with people who have experienced them firsthand. We're determined to break down the stigma associated with illness and disease while still making some jokes and having fun along the way because laughter is the best medicine right find new episodes of sick boy each week on BBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. You know you're smart funny friends who always seemed to have the best celebrity gossip I'm talking about. The ones who always know we should be watching or reading or listening to a what if you could pick their brains every week pop chat is a brand new podcast, but does exactly that and feels like spending time with your best friends. So join me L. Lavina mood and a panel of the smartest culture critics that I know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing it. They are Sarah Edmonson a former high ranking leader in this group. She's a Canadian. She ran the Vancouver chapter as she is branded with Keith initials and what did she have to say today? So. She provided a victim impact statement actually buy videos. You're not my coach or guru or a leader you're a parasite griffin and a liar and I hope those words impacted him interesting. She used a lot of the nexium language I mean those those ideas obviously have colloquial use but I have a particular significance within nexium we use that language to attack Keith Rainier and call him out you. Know saying that you professed all this personal growth and and and you know challenged us to grow but you pied none of it to yourself. It was a contradiction. It was kind of hypocrisy that that he claimed to be this. You know enlightened leader in Lightman Guru and someone that she was committed to and followed for so long and presumably wants to wait on the line. Let them know that? He's not what he espoused. To us too many of us and. There's a mixture of of happiness and sadness and I hope that everyone can heal and move on with their lives. You mentioned earlier how renewing has gained his innocence throughout this trial and he has supporters who were in the courtroom on Tuesday I understand and what do they all have to say about this? Is So interesting that despite everything that's come out about this group, I mean in the early days find you understand why some people took a long time to leave wrap their head around what was happening the organization. But now there's been so much media covered so many documentaries on the. Very extensive investigation by the FBI and yet there were more than a dozen people that are supporters of Keith Rainier that were at the courtroom today who believe that he is innocent who believed that he has not received a fair trial and they stand by him and it seems like nothing would shake them. I mean I wonder I'm curious to know because one of the claims they make is that that the hard that keeps me Mary's hard drive was tampered with after it was confiscated and claim to have some kind of evidence forensic evidence that That these photos, nude photos were planted on the hard drive and yet today you have Camilla coming forward and victim impact statement saying that was me. It happened like there's no question that it happened and I can't help but wonder if that's not gonNA. Shake some people out of their loyalty a wave away from Keith I. Understand he's also recently started recording his own podcast from prison this college. An inmate end a federal corden. Good Morning. Did I wake you was. Up. Already. Could. Again just GONNA free wheel a little sixty outlets goes to express a few things. Can you tell me more of that? Yeah. It was earlier this week I got tagged in a tweet. By, I assume it was one of his loyal followers that said, you know Keith Ranieri is actually releasing his own podcast. He wants to tell his side of the story, check it out and sure enough. I. Hit the link I mean it's a podcast sort of an air quotes. It is essentially like a monologue from a prison phone He is telling his side of the story and and it is that same story saying look you might think I'm a saint. You might think I'm the devil but like everyone should be interested in this case because it is a case of the failure of the Criminal Justice System Prosecution lied to the court. The prosecution hampered with evidence. The prosecution suborned perjury and they're more and more points. And he still claims to be innocent of all the charges that that he's been found guilty of right I I know he has said that he plans to appeal the conviction I want to back up a little bit. A lot had to happen to even get to this trial right Can you take me through some of the major domino's that foul before? This trial even began yea. It's interesting to see because a lot of stuff going on and the piece that I knew about initially was that he I had run into Sarah Edmonson. She had just left the group. She was part of that secret women's group DOS and she'd been branded on her body with his initials and she went to New York Times, and it was on the heels of that story in fact, the FBI. Said explicitly that they launched an investigation into nexium because of the New York Times article. Now, even to get to the New York Times article, as you know if people have have been watching the HBO series, the vow. Would and they have incredible access to this period of time especially, of the kind of you know unraveling the organization but there was a lot of stuff going on other high level people like the person who recruited Sarah Edmonson mark for Santa also left the organization and so you had all these. People trying to drum up attention trying to strategize what they could do, and there was a lot of fear at that time because if you came forward and people who had come forward in the past had paid a huge price. Next thing would go after the detractors and defectors very aggressively and even their previous attempts to the FBI and say like there's something not right here. WHOA. Didn't lead anywhere I mean the I didn't do anything until that article came out and then the FBI launches an investigation. Keith. Manure he leaves the country. He goes to Mexico and A few months. Later, he's arrested in Mexico along with five other co-accused five other in the organization right and these co-accused include Clare Bronfman, the heiress to the Seagram's liquor fortune right and allison mack whose an actress in the in the television show Smallville. Yes and Clare has been sentence was sentenced last month but allison mack and The other co-accused have not yet been sentenced I mean their sentence will be sentencing will be coming up soon. Essentially. As as you just went through all of these people ended up pleading guilty and Rene. They'll alone it was just him and you know we talked about a cumulus story in the story of Camilla and her family but but can you take me through some of the? Big revelations that came out at the trial it it it strikes me when I was listening to your podcast and seeing the original. Initial reporting on this. The New York Times piece I it was crazy right. The stuff that was coming out Sarah Story how she was blackmailed for the collateral that she handed over and then physically branded but but things got much darker it felt like. As the trial. Went on one of the things that we discovered was just the extent to which people were kind of operating in these silos in the organization. So even for people like Sarah who had been part of it for twelve years, I mean there were stuff coming out in the trial that she did not know about and and the keys were neary and and and the real inner circle dinner very good job of managing information managing who do you want who was running what part of the organization? So in some innocuous things and some really egregious things and I think some of the most shocking stuff for people was just how many. People Keith was was in a sexual relationship with I, mean he had a Harem of of ten to fifteen women and we discovered that he was forcing many of them to have abortions on his direction. We discovered a lot of manipulation and coercion. We discovered that that that this kind of front facing side of Keith Ranieri that you know sometimes he was even even claim to be like celebrate and a renunciation, the renunciation material goods what's behind the scenes something very very different was going on yeah. Was it was really difficult today to read some of these victim impact statements I'm one of the women India Oxygen Berg. She she said flat out like he he raped her I, want to ask you hearing so much about this this abusive behavior. How is it that you think renee was able to draw so many people. Into his web into his orbit. Yeah. That's a great question and is one that we kind of grappled with a lot as we were. Investigating, the organization and trying to figure out who he is because he's really dorky like he really is. And if you've watched the HBO documentary, you kind of see a whole they have credible access to he is and he he plays volleyball and he has this like terrible haircut and he instructs. His followers to come watch to play volleyball. You know late at night twice a week and he's kind of awkward. So what is it about him that that made people come to him and I and I think there's a few things we discovered one was that. He. Had this really remarkable ability to build report with people to connect with people and people felt like when he talked to you, he got you he kind of he made. You feel like you're the only person in room and he really was able to very quickly understand what made you tick? The other thing that made the organization powerful was the people he surrounded himself with and it was really having this group of of charismatic women around him predominantly women that. Propped up. So there was a lot of of building up as what a veneration of him and that became infectious and the last thing I would say that there was so smart or effective with his organization was their ability to attract powerful people and successful people. So you had allison mack you had actors that that that has some degree of fame. You had the Bronfman sisters that are these billionaire. You Know S.'s you had the sons of the former president of Mexico and so when Sarah Edmonson. And other people were going around and and try to recruit members to nexium inconceivable. To take the course, they could point to them and say look part of this like these are not just schmos that are part of this organization. These are very successful powerful people that are coming here because they believe in Keefer neary and probably the biggest coup I mean the the biggest win for them was the Dalai. Lama. Coming to Albany and you have you know in two thousand and nine you have keys Monari. And Nancy Salzman sitting on stage with the Dalai Lama and essentially the the Dalai Lama. The perception is the Dalai Lamas endorsing this organization it kind of provided such incredible legitimacy to this organization, and that again is just a huge win for it. It's so interesting to hear you talk about all of these well known figures that essentially gave this a veneer of legitimacy I I know the even covering this nonstop and I. I imagine you haven't necessarily had a chance to talk with the survivors with Sarah with other survivors here. How do you think though that they would react to this? This one hundred twenty year sentence which is. For all intents and purposes a life sentence final question for today. Yeah I mean I think for many people there's just a huge amount of relief. And partly because you know an I spoke to many people who felt they were afraid of what of next even though they might have left decades ago they felt that their lives have been destroyed by Keith Ranieri Nexium they. They'd been dragged through courts they had been forced into bankruptcy and to know that he's finally behind bars that this chapter in their life is closed and that they can move on I think is A. Is a huge amount of relief for for many people but there's also people who? have. We it in in these victim impact statements today who have experienced a huge amount of trauma and you know. I talked to call to experts who talk about really the lifelong experience for anyone that is part of coercive a high control organization like nexium that. It's very difficult. You know after you make that initial step out of the organization after you break free and leave, you then have to grapple with. Having been a part of it having been complicit in that organization even if he didn't know what was going on, but you had devoted your life to it and you had propped up this man and that can be really difficult it can be really difficult to extricate yourself again I imagine that seeing him behind bars provide some closure but I think for many people it will take a long time to fully reckon with with. Their role in this organization Josh Park thank you for all your reporting on this end. For coming back onto the podcast is such a pleasure. Thank, you. All right. So before we go today earlier this week, we did an episode on evictions basically how renters are being disproportionately affected by the COVID. Downturn you can find that episode in our feet since it ran though some news Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced the launch of a new rapid housing initiative that invest one billion dollars to create up to three thousand new permanent affordable housing units across the country. The initiative will provide five hundred million immediate support for predetermined municipalities and five hundred million for projects from applicants from across the country. That's it. For today, I'm Jay Poussin much for listening to front burner and talk to you tomorrow. For more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In Two Thousand Sixteen Nicole lay naked on a table. She was blindfolded and bound at the ankles and wrists. And she shivered from the cold. Nicole. Probably wondered how she got there. She just wanted to be a successful actress. That's why she trusted Allison Mack months earlier thirty four year, old ALLYSON had invited to call to join a women's empowerment group thrilled better. Not Be veteran would take an interest in her Nicole accepted. Then came the demands. I Allison told Nicole to call her master. Then she insisted that Nicole remained celebrate for three months, but it was allison's final request that led to Nicole, lying naked blindfolded and bound with only fifty six year old key through a neary at her side. All Nicole was immobilized. Someone began performing oral sex on her at first. She assumed it was Keith. But then he started talking to her even as the act continued. That's when Cole realized with horror that she didn't know who was going down on her and bound. She was there was nothing she could do to stop them. After the oral sex she hadn't consented to Nicole returned to. Show talk however when she told the actress what had transpired with, Keith. Ellison didn't seem surprised instead. She told Nicole that she was brave and she had earned the privilege of working more with Keith. Hi. I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa. Richardson. Then this is colts apar-. CAST original. Every Tuesday. We look at cults practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just dream cults for free on spotify, just open the APP and type cults in the search bar. This marks the second week of our deep dive into nexium. The group made headlines for physically branding celebrity. Celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves all to satisfy its narcissistic leader Keith remarry in this episode will explore Keith's relationship with actress. Allison, mack then will detail the role alison played in his predatory sorority. Finally will cover some of the horrifying practices Keith inflicted upon Dos. Members in Thursday's final episode will delve into the unmasking of dos for what it really was. A sex ring will follow Keith's desperate flight to Mexico and his eventual capture and downfall. We've got all this and more coming up. Stay with us. In two, thousand, six, forty, six year, old Keith Ranieri was a man completely in charge of his kingdom. He built nexium up from nothing, and though the corporate clients initially coveted had rejected him keith more than made up for it by securing billionaire heiresses, Clarence Sara, Bronfman as members. However, the shiny is and Keith's crown was his newest recruit. Allison. Mack. Five years earlier in two, thousand, one, nine, thousand, nine, year, old allison, mack was cast to play Super Man's best friend in the hit teen soap smallville in addition to being a superheroes. POW She worked for the SMALLVILLE newspaper as a result, her main driving impulse was the search for truth liker character. Elson to was motivated by a search for Truth and purpose in an interview with journalists. Coronel. A friend described her as someone who was constantly searching for something that. That was missing at her life in two, thousand, six, perhaps twenty, four year, old allyson believed. She would find that missing thing in nexium. Maybe that's why she climbed into the Bronfman's private jet and flew to Albany New York to meet the vanguard key through neary Ellison's initial meeting with the smartest man, the world must have been successful because according to journalists, Rebecca son in. Scott. Johnson. She was still in Albany surrounded by vanguards inner circle a few weeks later. Allison, wasn't the only actress drawn in by nexium fellow smallville Co Star Kristin cruch. WHO, why? Five? Oh. Actress Grace Park and Battle Star GALACTICA actress. Nikki Klein were all reported members. Actresses might have flocked nexium because of Keith's claimed that he could coach anyone to do anything, even win an academy award. However, there may have been another reason they felt drawn to the group research suggests that artists. Susceptible to charismatic cults. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks. Greg. In, an interview with journalist Scott Johnson and Rebecca Son Jodie wild a documentary film director and cults expert stated that Hollywood is filled with vulnerable artists, many of whom are lost or damaged. You get a Predator in the mix whether it's Harvey Weinstein or the leader of nexium they're going to go for it. Those leaders might offer other forms of support that they can't get from their agent or manager Alison like all actresses was subject to the many rejections that are part of every acting career. So a desire for a more stable form of acceptance and support might explain why she was. So tied to the group, did might also explain why her attachment sustained even in the face of some of next seems more regressive teachings more specifically, the beliefs Keith espoused in his intensive seminar called Janice. Genus posed as a female empowerment class, but it's subject. Matter was almost comically misogynistic during genetics. Intensive 's Keith taught female next. Sean's that women were naturally more submissive and prone to monogamous relationships while men were dominant and genetically predisposed to poly-amorous. According to journalist Ej, Dixon Keith also preached that men inherently had more character in fortitude and women were more prone to flightiness and game-playing the women who signed up for genetics were searching for self empowerment, therefore exposing their current lack of power and self esteem their insecurity made them easy marks for Keith's misogynistic indoctrination and allison mack was no different in a two, thousand, seven blog. The actress wrote I. Have a tendency to say, I'm stupid. I have become very comfortable. Talking things up to the fact that I don't have a proper education. These negative personal feelings go some way towards explaining why Alison didn't immediately recoil from suggestions. Suggestions that women were flighty creatures lacking in character and fortitude. In essence geneticists. Philosophy was just reinforcing her own low opinion about herself. However, nexium wasn't all misogynistic seminars about the sexes. Ellison might have also been drawn to the cult for young creative community and its many recreational events by two thousand, six Barbara, Bouchet one of Keith's girlfriends head already created vanguard week or V. Week though she'd invented be week to be a business conference to promote Nexium, it turned into a ten day celebration of Keith's birth during the week, next scenes from all over the United States Europe, Canada and Mexico descended on the compound in Clifton Park. Filmmaker Mark B sent a former next-gen, likened the proceedings to a summer camp for adults where you had all these things you could choose from that. You wanted to do drumming dancing singing, even poetry. All of it was done as a tribute to Keith, recognizing him as the creator of a philosophical movement. The veneration of Keith wasn't restricted to V. Week, either it featured in every single facet of Naxi in life especially amongst the groups female members. In an interview with ABC's twenty, twenty Mark B sent taste stated that when Keith played volleyball at the compound, which he did almost daily rows of women would wait for him on the sidelines and then the minute there was a break between plays. They would rush him like he was a Rockstar all of them eager to ask him their deep pressing questions. Their education was why Keith despite claiming to be Selah was able to continue sexual relationships with several of his female students according to an F. B. I. Report, he had between fifteen and twenty sexual partners simultaneously in the early two thousands. Allison Mack didn't know this. All she saw was the rampant deification of Keith. According, to Social Psychologist Robert, Zion's human beings are subject to a phenomenon called the exposure affect Zairians found that the more a person is exposed to an object or an idea, the more likely they are to believe it early on analysis introduction to nexium. She saw Keith being celebrated as an enlightened better during the week, she witnessed followers flocking to him after his volleyball games in line with the exposure effect. It's possible Alison to began to view Keith as a deity, the addition of a Hollywood actress to his coterie of admirers likely filled Keith with joy, and yet even as he was enjoying the fruits of the kingdom, he had built trouble was brewing within his ranks. Barbara Bouchet, the woman who invented the week that venerated his birth was beginning to challenge his authority. By the late two, thousand, forty, nine, year, old Barbara. Bouchet had been a member. Of nexium. For nine years. She dated Keith Rene for almost the entirety of that time, and after nearly a decade with Nexium, she had grievous concerns about the way. The group was being run Barbara wasn't alone in her feelings. She was backed up by eight other women including fellow upper level next in Susan donors bolstered by their number. The next nine confronted Keith in an article for Frank Lotto's website art voice, Susan donuts detailed. The group's main points. She called key thought for his sexual exploitation of female students for borrowing large amounts of money from members and finally for his. His refusal to pay state or federal taxes in response Keith was simultaneously dismissive and threatening using needlessly technical jargon. He told the women that they didn't have the data to fully understand the true reality of the situation. They didn't have his of leadership or the experience of preserving people's lives at that. One of the women pushed back. She said that Keith didn't have leadership experience, either since his company consumers byline had fallen apart within a few years, her accurate synopsis of his CBI failure caused a flicker in Keith's previously calm demeanor, his voice soft yet. Furious. He told the women that he'd had people killed because of his beliefs and because of their beliefs. It's unclear how the confrontation ended after that. However, we know that ultimately the meetings accomplished nothing. Keith, refused to admit any wrongdoing. So all nine women defected, it was the largest exodus of upper level members. Keith had suffered to date. He didn't take it well, when Tony Natoli dumped Keith, he attacked her with a series of retaliatory lawsuits Barbara Bouchet suffered the same fate. Keith had already squandered the bulk of her savings in speculative commodity trades, Barbara spent the rest of our coffers. Coffers battling his lawsuits all while knowing that Keith's Bronfman stuffed pockets were practically bottomless attacking a woman who abandoned him in court likely gave Keith some satisfaction, but it didn't erase the significance of the nexium nines defection. Perhaps the exodus of so many crucial members made Keith fear. He was losing control of his empire. If that was the case, it certainly would explain why he reacted with such ir when it seemed, he was losing his hold over one of his young female members. Up Next Keith. Raniry exerts absolute power over one young woman's life now back to the story. In two, thousand, nine, forty, nine, year, old Keith Rainier was reeling from the defection of Barbara Shea Susan. Donnez. And seven other upper level. Next sins, their sudden exodus likely made him question whether his hold over his empire was as absolute as he believed perhaps driven by a desire to maintain control. Keith reacted with fury when he started losing his hold over a twenty six year old next in named. Named Danielle Flores by two, thousand, ten, Daniele had been a nexen for ten years after moving to Albany at age sixteen Keith had started grooming her shortly before she turned eighteen as a promising student with dreams of Harvard. She'd been excited to learn from the smartest man in the world in the decades since her arrival. However, all that taught her was how to clean offices and pleasure him sexually. Significant Age difference and unequal power dynamic of their relationship was concerning enough. However would made kice affair with Daniela. Even more disturbing was the fact that he was also having sex with her sisters, Mariana and La. Daniela may have been able to ignore this unnatural set up however on one occasion, Keith attempted to coerce her and whatever sisters into having a threesome with him. The traumatizing interlude only came to an end when both sisters broke down crying. That wasn't the worst of Keith's behavior at different points in time hit impregnated all three sisters and insisted they get abortions in the aftermath of Danielle as abortion Keith presented the traumatized girl with silver lining. He told her, the procedure would help her lose weight claiming that Olympic athletes often got abortions as part of their training in light of Keith's cruelty. It's no surprise that in two, thousand, ten, twenty, six year. Old Down Yellow looked for affection elsewhere. She developed crush on fellow nexium member. Ben Myers although Keith was having sex with two of her sisters and countless others. When he found out, Dan Yellow was romantically interested in someone else he lost it according to journalist. EJ? Dixon Keith became enraged by the supposed ethical breach and sent his other girlfriends including prefect to encourage down to apologize ultimately. However, he decided that an apology was too small price to pay instead keith commanded that Daniele remained locked in her small bedroom as a form of penance for the next two years Daniele was. was trapped in the room with only a mattress, a pen and paper her parents. Fervent Nexans who had also emigrated to Albany would bring her food. But under orders from Keith Day, refused to speak to her in her isolation, Daniele grew hopeless and suicidal. She wrote letters to Keith daily apologizing to him and begging him to enter confinement Keith. Didn't. Redan. Yellow desperate letters and he refused to release her from her prison. If he couldn't control the actions of the nexium nine, he could at least dictate the entirety of one girl's life. In addition to imprisoning Daniele Keith enjoyed other victories in two, thousand, ten, allegedly. That's the year. He added Allison Mack to his roster of sexual partners in the four years since she joined the group Twenty eight-year-old Allison. Mack. Had Become A full-fledged nexium evangelist. Preached to family members and friends alike regaling them with tales of Nexium 's brilliance. It's unparalleled ethics. She also consistently returned to the well of her fellow artists according to Scott Johnson and Rebecca sons article for the Hollywood reporter at different points. Alison attempted to recruit seventh Heaven Alum Beverley, Mitchell, and grammy winning singer Kelly Clarkson however, Allison's most disturbing overtures were her attempts to recruit Harry Potter actress Emma Watson in a series. Series of tweets, Alison implored Emma to participate in a unique human development and women's movement Emma didn't respond to her missives and that was for the best because by two thousand, ten Allison's involvement with nexium was already taking a toll on her health according to a former nexium member who bumped into the actress at a Yoga Studio in two, thousand ten. She could tell that Alison had already started a sexual relationship with Keith. A gray pallor that was common to Keats women as they all started to get a little sickly. Keith was attracted to unnaturally skinny women and likely manipulated them into extreme weight loss as a result. The former member stated that his girls looked scary. They all dropped weight. Is, getting too big for their bodies. So they became bobbleheads yet despite the fact that Keith was bad for her twenty nine year. Old Alison committed to the group further when her hit show Smallville came to an end after ten seasons. With the role of Clark Kent's closest confidante behind her ellison decided to audition for that same position and Keith Ranieri's life to that. End, the actress bought a house in Albany and transplanted her life, they're committing yourself to furthering the movement full-time. Keith might have read Allison's move as a sign. He wasn't losing his grip on his followers. He had done yellow in chains at a Hollywood actress warming his bed, his control over his kingdom was unshakable. But keeps feelings of certainty soon, shattered against a series of punishing events. I came the articles in November of two, thousand, ten vanity. Fair published a piece, called the heiresses and the cult in it journalists Susannah Andrews. Dubbed next occult. She also detailed the fact that by two thousand, ten Keith had blown one, hundred, fifty, million dollars of the Bronfman's fortune. That, same year, New York Post journalist Jean McIntosh reported on the bizarre claims Keith made during his meeting with the nexium nine. She specifically focused on his assertion that he'd had people killed. Keith second wave of attacks came from his ex girlfriend Tony Tally, in two thousand eleven, she filed a lawsuit against him, accusing him of repeatedly raping her during their nine year relationship and to tell these claims seemingly bolstered. But in two thousand, twelve, the Times Union's incisive piece in binary shadows dropped in the article journalist James Emo, dotto Jennifer. Gish. Detailed years of statutory rape. Rape allegations from Keith's underage victims despite this deluge of bad press and lawsuits, Keith was able to keep the fallout from penetrating his Clifton Park fortress according to Tony Metallica's book the program next scenes wrote all of it off as a coordinated media vendetta demonizing the press is a common tactic cult leaders use. However the cops played right into keats hands, they reinforced his narrative by promptly pressing any charges. Their hands were tied in many cases. The statute of limitations had elapsed while Keith. Had managed to contain the fallout from without he never anticipated the massive. Would soon suffer from within. Kristen. Was, one of Keith's earliest acolytes in addition unbeknownst to most next INS Kristen was the mother of Keith Son Gaylon since Keith claiming to be celebrate the to hit galeone's paternity. By pretending he was the adopted son of an entirely different woman. However, in two thousand, fourteen, Kristen dropped the pretense when she fled Clifton Park with her child in tow according to Times Union journalist, James, Mo Dotto, kristen ran because she was concerned about her son's welfare in an email. The scared mother allegedly wrote Keith was experimenting on Gaylon I had to get him away. Kristen wasn't specific about what form Keith's experimentation took. However, she might have been referring to his insistence that gala. Rainbow Cultural Gardens or are CG, R. CG, was a childhood development program. Keith created shortly after galeone's birth, all enrolled children were spoken to in five different languages by five different nannies. This might have been the experimentation kristen was talking about however, she may have also been hinting at something far more sinister. According to the program a year before Kristen Escape investigative journalist Chet. Harden received a letter from a woman given the pseudonym Inez like Daniele. Inez. was from Mexico unlike the former student. However, she was heavily involved in Keith's childhood initiative, Rainbow Cultural Gardens in the email, you Nez sent. She stated that she wanted out of nexium. She was beginning to suspect Keith created our cg not to teach children how to speak different languages but rather to groom. Groom them into having sex with adults, Inez alleged that Keith openly claimed that he wanted to use the school to teach children that sex was beautiful and should be practiced openly, we can't say for sure whether Christon was privy declaims of such tenor from Keith. But if she was, it certainly would explain why she left him. So suddenly taking their son with her kristen's departure might have also been motivated by her fears for her own life. A week after leaving. Keith Kristen reached out to nexium nine defector Barbara Bush. Journalist Sarah Berman reported that Kristen told Boucher that she was in hiding with her son. She was afraid for her life because of the things she'd seen Keith to the worst of which was his attempt to pull off what she termed a Mexican plot in this Gambit Kristen claimed that Keith bribed a judge in Mexico to issue an indictment against Barbara Tony, and Susan. Donnez, they were going to be lured south of the border, and once they got their Keith's upper level, Mexican contacts were going to put them in prison. When a Shock Barbara. Asked how serious Keith was kristen responded that the plot had been three years in the making more chilling. Kristen stated that she'd long realized that Keith was not trying to succeed. He was trying to enslave as we covered last week Keith exhibited several traits consistent with a diagnosis of psychopathy in accordance with psychologist Robert. Hare's checklist Keith showed signs of manipulative nece, sexual promiscuity, pathological lying, and a lack of empathy behavioral analysis agents at the F. B.. I. Denna Fide One more characteristic endemic amongst psychopaths, namely, their need to maintain absolute control over others at all. All costs given this desire Christians defection might have been the most painful one keith suffered yet. She'd been with him since almost the very beginning, thus departure would've acted as the final blow shattering any illusions he held about being in control. The first time Keith was reeling from a loss of control. He reacted by confining Daniele to a tiny room with Kristen's defection. Keith would go even further than that. It was no longer enough for him to control one young woman to restore his sense of order and his hold over his empire. Keith decided to enslave scores of women. Up Next Keith crafts a secret sorority to enslave his female members now back to the story. By two, thousand, fourteen, fifty, four, year, old Keith, Raniry had weathered a slew of rapid fire attacks on his credibility I. There were the critical articles that branded him as a cult leader and sexual predator. Then his ex girlfriend tonia tally sued him for raping her during their eight year relationship. However, it was Kristen Kief. One of his most loyal subjects that dealt Keith, the most grievous blow. She left him taking his son with her. But much worse than that. Kristen forced Keith to realize that his hold over nexium membership wasn't absolute and that was unacceptable Keith taught his students that he could control technology and the weather. How would it look if he couldn't even keep his own house in order? In two thousand, fifteen, fifty, five, year, old. Keith. Found the solution to the mutiny in his ranks. He decided to create a secret society of female slaves. He called the group Dos. Dos stood for Domino's obsequious use sorority them. Latin, which they reportedly translated as master over the slave women like both consumers byline and nexium Keith crafted the group to have a pyramid structure. However, DOS didn't sell discount consumer products like CBI nor self-improvement classes nexium. In fact, joining the group was completely free, but that didn't mean that there wasn't a price to pay. In order to gain access to the secret society. Next in women were forced into sexual slavery. However, Keith knew that he couldn't enslave his female members outright. Instead, he needed someone to put a glossy veneer on his heart darkest desires in the past, Keith would have likely turned to bubbly Pam K. Fritz to act as doses unthreatening face as a member of Keats. Original three woman Harem Pam was the cult leaders main Capo procuring him beautiful women to sleep with on demand. However, in two thousand, fifteen, Pam was dying of cancer. So Keith turned to allison mack instead. By two, thousand, fifteen, thirty, three year, old Allyson was more number of Keith than ever. The depth of her feelings were evident when she sang Donny Hathaway I, love you more than you'll ever know at fifty-six birthday celebration with tears in her eyes. The emaciated actress crooned I'm only flesh and blood, but I can be. That you demand. Sentiments of that nature, we're also conveyed in an e mail allison sent to Keith according to journalist e j Dixon in the missive. Alison explained how grateful she was to be deep in Keith's thrall, how disappointing her own strides towards self empowerment had been and how nothing made her feel. So powerful as to be made by him to feel power less in other words, ellison and Keith were perfectly matched. He wanted power and she longed to be powerless. Unfortunately, controlling one willing woman wasn't enough to satisfy Keith desires to gain access to the scores of women. He coveted he convinced allison to be one of DOS. Is I blind slaves? In addition, to Allison, Keith directly recruited seven other slaves including prefects, daughter, Lauren, saltzman. These first line slaves were unique because they knew that Keith was their master. He convinced them that being enslaved to him would help them in turn become masters of their own lives once they bought into this paradox, Keith encourage them to recruit slaves of their own, thus becoming masters in their own, right. According to the program unlike the women directly recruited by Keith, the second line slaves had no idea about his role in the group they joined under the false pretense. The DOS was an exclusively female organization. Nothing could be further from the truth as the sole man top the whole sado-masochistic Pyramid Keith was the grand master. and. He had big plans for dos according to Vice journalist several Berman Keith told Lauren that he envisioned the sorority amassing thousands of members to that end. He told her to work towards recruiting one hundred slaves. According to the program, the recruitment process went like this alison. Lauren or one of the other first line slaves would approach nexium member and asked them if they wanted to be part of the. Secret. Society of bad ass women who were dedicated to the empowerment of other women. This pitch was deductive because it was always delivered by an upper level next-gen wanting to be considered one of the elite. The recruit usually said, yes, it was at that point that they were asked to provide collateral a sort of insurance policy that would make sure they kept the group a secret journalists. EJ Dixon wrote that collateral often took the form of sexually explicit material such as videos of a recruit, masturbating or postmarked false confessions that relatives or loved ones had sexually abused them. The implicit threat was that the women told anyone about dos, their collateral would be released unbeknownst to the women. Even if they did keep the secret there, incriminating items were usually shared with. Keith. Once they provided material for their own future blackmail. Their recruit was officially a slave. This designation came with a whole new set of rules. First. Slaves had to carry out their master's commands. No matter what in order to prove this allegiance, they participated in readiness drills. This meant that slaves had to respond to texts from their masters within sixty seconds. No matter what our. Even if it was the middle of the night, if they failed, they had to submit to punishment recrimination took many forms. Sometimes underperforming slaves were forced to take cold showers or made to stand barefoot in the snow. Other Times they were paddled or whipped journalists cullen. Moynahan reported that on one occasion Keith even called in during a beating to tell the women to make sure that they snap their wrists in a particular way to inflict maximum pain on the. The slave in addition to occasionally taking beatings, slaves were also required to meet three times a week with their masters at the start of each of these sessions both slave and master alike were required to pose for a naked family photo. In these pictures, Keith insisted that women's legs be widely spread and their vaginas prominently angled towards the camera as this weren't intrusive. Enough. Slaves also had to follow a set of rules that dictated specifics about their personal appearance. Some slaves were required to adhere to a punishing five, hundred calorie a day diet. They also were under strict orders not to groom their pubic hair. Lastly, slaves had to commit to remaining celebrate, they weren't even allowed to. Masturbate. The purpose of this particular set of rules was twofold I. IT ensured that the Slaves Fit Keith Sexual Preference for emaciated women who didn't lacks secondly, it kept all their sexual energies in tight reserve. However as mentioned, initially, none of the second line slaves had any idea about Keith's involvement. They were told that they were doing all of it. The cold showers, the graphic pictures, the restrictive diets for their own empowerment. while. It's difficult to understand how they bought into this justification. Their compliance was likely due to societal messaging. We've all been subject to concepts like no pain, no gain. You have to break a couple of bags to make an Omelet sure getting paddled hurt. But if it made a person mentally tough enough to pursue the things they wanted, wasn't it worth it? In. That same vein, a five hundred Calorie Diet was punishing. But at the taught person discipline and delayed gratification weren't those good lessons to learn. It was all in the name of becoming a bad ass like they've been promised. The second thing that might have made doses extreme path to empowerment seem acceptable was the larger self-improvement climate at the time in two thousand, ten's wellness enthusiasts were stuffing jade eggs into their vaginas. Silicon Valley Titans were injecting the blood. Blood of the young into their veins in light of that, taking a cold shower and submitting to a paddling might not have seemed. So strange however like the frog in the pot of water, once the second line slaves had accepted that toss approach was a little off the wall, but temperature was turned up eventually. One of the first line slaves like allison mack would give a second liner. The assignment also known as the order to Seduce Keith Ranieri. It was this task that upper level next year Monica Duran assigned to her slave. Sylvie according to journalist Amanda Arnold to fulfil her assignment. Sylvie was at first only required to send Keith explicit pictures and text messages eventually, however, she was subjected to physical sexual encounters. Arnold. Reported that in one incident, Keith performed oral sex on. Sylvie. After the encounter he told her that he was her grandmaster. Sylvie later stated that at the time she felt so much shame she felt everything was just lies and secrets and darkness. If Keith was aware of Sylvia's despair, it didn't bother him her experience married how several keys interludes with a slaves transpired. Once they were given the assignment by their masters, they proposition him sexually. Keith would either down on them or have sex with them. However. Intercourse wasn't always possible as Keith neared his sixties. Erectile dysfunction became a frequent problem according to journalists Rebecca Son and Scott Johnson. A former Nexen said that if Keith had difficulty getting an erection, which was often he blamed it on her weight despite Kate's callous treatment. The members of DOS couldn't just leave the group they were trapped there. Bondage was threefold first as longtime nexans. Many of them had been indoctrinated by the precepts of genetics to view men as being inherently poly-amorous while women were monogamous. Monogamous. So in essence they'd been groomed to somewhat accept the setup of several women sleeping with one man. Secondly, Keith was revered as a deity within the group. So refusing his advances might not have seemed like an option. Lastly, members of DOS feared that if they did try to leave their incriminating collateral would be released out into the world. However, if the combination this threat and their religious indoctrination didn't prove deterrent enough Keats, most devoted slave, allison mack was always there to bring disobedient members to heal. According to Scott. Johnson and Rebecca sons reporting to Alison. Slaves said the actress was incredibly intimidating, cruel and punitive when a balked at having sex with Keith. Allison. Allegedly screamed at them. You made a lifetime vow. Then she berated them and told them. They were worth nothing that they were weak and couldn't uphold their word. She also told them that if they refused her orders dated other men left the group or refused sex with Keith Day would be destroyed, but while ellison may have seemed unfeeling on. On the outside internally, she was breaking down Johnson and son reported that around this time, the actress penned a veritable cry for help on her blog writing cold sweats. Constantly, the anxiety of being caught makes my heart thrum like a hummingbird. Someday, I will be discovered. I will be found out and yet alison spheres didn't prevent her from engaging in the worst violation Dawson inflicted on its members on the contrary acting on Keith's orders. Alison insisted that are slaves performed one more active loyalty physical branding. When they screamed in agony over the hot cauterize ink pen searing their skin, Alison instructed them to feel the pain and think of their master perhaps during these ceremonies, allison was doing the same in lieu of smelling the singed flesh. Maybe she cast her mind to Keith as for fifty five year old Keith, his thoughts as always were on himself. He was smart enough never to attend the branding ceremonies. However, he received pictures of his handiwork and the site likely filled him with Choi. After all the brands were permanent proof that he still had control over his empire. He was the grand master. However, none of it would have been possible without his most loyal slave and for that Keith sought to reward, Alison? UNBEKNOWNST to the women getting branded. The symbol being burned into their flesh was a combination of the letters, a. m and K R, Allison Mack and Keith Ranieri. are linked initials forever spelled out in blood, the brands might have been absolute, but Keith's Pyramid of Sado masochism was not already cracks. A doubt were beginning to form in the women who made up its foundation, and soon, the whole thing would come crumbling down. Thanks again for tuning into colts. We'll be back Thursday with the final episode of Our foreparts. Special will cover how news about nexium hit the tabloids leading to Keith's imprisonment for more information on key through neary amongst the many sources we used, we found the program inside the mind of Keith Ranieri by toning tally with Chet Hardin, extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of. 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The downfall of NXIVM's Keith Raniere: A conversation with Josh Bloch

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23:05 min | 3 months ago

The downfall of NXIVM's Keith Raniere: A conversation with Josh Bloch

"From CBC Park and the Fifth Estate brainwashed is a multi part investigation into the CIA experiments in mind control from the Cold War and M. K., ultra to the so-called war on terror. We learn about a psychiatrist who used his patients as human guinea pigs and what happens when the military and medicine collide listen to brainwashed on the CBC listen up or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hey. What's nurse is Josh. Block here since we launched the podcast in two thousand eighteen I haven't stopped following the case around nexium and Keith Ranieri and now keys were near he has been sentenced to one hundred twenty years in prison. I unpacked that with Jamie she's the host of the CBC Daily News Podcast Front Burner Front burner breaks down one important story every weekday morning. It's definitely part of my daily routine and you can subscribe to that podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Here's our conversation. hello. So, three years ago. If you one of the women who had been victimized by Keith renewing the man seemed untouchable Rene was the leader of the cult lake and nominally self help group Nexium. Now. That's all changed in a US federal courtroom on Tuesday Keith Raniry was sentenced to one hundred and twenty years having been convicted of a slew of crimes including turning some of his followers into sex slaves and branding them with his initials. Joining me to explain how his house of cards finally fell down his Josh Block. He's a familiar voice on this show and he's also the host of uncover escaping nexium. This is from burner. Hi, Josh thank you so much for coming on the podcast again. So soon, hey, Jamie it's good to be back on the show I didn't think I'd be back this soon. Look I know you've spent years looking at this organization one hundred and twenty years for nearly got did you expect this to happen? I. You know I was thinking back to when I first ran into Sarah Edmonson who was my childhood friend who I ran into in two thousand, Seventeen Sarah Edmonson. We met when we were to. We went to daycare. Last summer I ran into her on Hornby island British. Columbia. I hadn't seen her in about fifteen years and we have one of those disjointed conversations you have as run after small children. I told her. I work at the CBC. And she replied. I just left a cult. And at that time, the nexium was in full operation. They had centers across North America they were looking to expand into Europe people were signing up for the self help workshops and today you know the sentencing. Is the remarkable end of this dramatic unraveling of the organization that's happened. So quickly so more recently I perhaps a less surprise when I think back to starting to look into this organization, it is quite remarkable and and remind us what Raniry was being sentenced for today, right so so last year in the same court house key through neary had week trial, and he was facing seven counts which he was found guilty on all of them, and they range from sex trafficking to child pornography to racketeering, which is this charge that's usually reserved for Mafia and criminal organizations. But the prosecution made this case that there was a pattern of illegal activity happening and Nexium and that. Keeps Manera was essentially a crime boss that was using nexium for his personal gain for you know to to to for his financial gain to procure sexual partners and you know a big chunk of their investigation focused on dos on the secret women's group inside the organization that women joined thinking they were joining a women's empowerment group and they handed over collateral in the form of of nude photos and explicit videos, and once they were handed over, they talked about how they were essentially blackmailed. Some of them were many of them were branded on their body with the initials of Keith remarry. The Person Who's being branded should be completely nude and sort of held to the table like A. Sort of almost like a sacrifice. And that that's a feeling of submission. You know. Some of them were instructed to have sexual encounters with Keith remarry and they felt that if they did not comply with those demands, they would have their collateral released and that their lives will be destroyed. I mean that's where the kind of sex trafficking charges come from, and so the judge having found airy guilty of the sex trafficking and of essentially being the head of this criminal organization. What did he have to say today when he sentenced him to one hundred, twenty years? I mean, he he first of all I in addition to sentencing him also slapped him with a significant fine I. believe it was one point, seven, five, million dollars. He also instructed Keith Raniry to have zero contact with any nexium associates which is very important for people who have left the group that WANNA see next meal completely collapsed and he was very clear that he was unimpressed with Keith Mary's lack of remorse in this case, and certainly that has played into the significant just how long this prison sentence is right and I. Want to get to his lack of remorse in a moment. But first, if we can spend a little bit of time talking but the survivors here, there are fifteen victim impact statements that were read on. Tuesday some pretty intense statements about however nearly laugh many women traumatized and can we start with the first woman to give a victim impact statement a woman named Camilla? Who is she right? Yes. She was just identified as as Camilla in the courtroom and her testimony is so heartbreaking. She was fifteen years old. She says when Keith Neary I. Began a sexual relationship with her and that relationship went on for twelve years and she says that she just had her childhood and youth robbed from her. She said quote he he used my innocence to do whatever he wanted with me not just sexually but also psychologically manipulated me into what he wanted for his own reasons and for his own pleasure and you know it is very remarkable to hear her case because it's her case is the basis for the child pornography charges that key winner he faces I mean he the FBI found nude photos of her when she was fifteen on his hard drive. So very heartbreaking to hear, and obviously I'm presuming very. Dramatic for her to provide this testimony directly to him right? Right I i. Saw The New York Times was reporting that she was advised not to participate in the trial and then This was the first time that she actually decided to speak out on Tuesday I know her whole family is entangled in this as well. Right and her sister also spoke on Tuesday and her sister had been in order to be confined to a room for almost two years because she apparently kissed another man. Yeah, that's right I. mean the story of family is so bizarre and so tragic and this came out in the trial as well that Kenya had sexual relationships with three. People in that family and this woman committed what they call an ethical breach, which was that you know if your relationship with Catherine area, you're supposed to be entirely devoted for him. You may not be with other people and she had admitted that she had a crush on another boy and she was confined to a room for almost two years and actually calm the nexium took away. Her passport, she's a Mexican nationals so she really couldn't leave and was stuck there and that was her story was very powerfully recounted in by her in the trial last year, right? Right. Right and I understand the whole family has been torn apart by this Ranieri apparently had a sexual relationship with all three of the daughters in this family and the oldest daughter in the father. Are Still, supporters of renewed This is it's such a tragic story. I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm Jeff Turner and this is recall it's a series about history, not the ancient past but history that still hot to the touch. In this first season I explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how start a revolution on the CBC listen APP or wherever you get your podcasts. From CBC PODCASTS and the Fifth Estate brainwashed is a multiparty investigation into the CIA experiments in mind control from the Cold War and M. K. Ultra to the so-called war on terror. We learn about a psychiatrist who used his patients as human guinea pigs and what happens when the military and medicine collide listen to brainwashed the CBC listen up or wherever you get your podcasts. I WanNa talk about another one of the survivors year millions of people have heard your podcast and are familiar with Sarah Edmonson a former high ranking leader in this group she's a Canadian she ran the Vancouver chapter as she is branded with Keith initials and what did she have to say today? So she provided a victim impact statement, actually buy video, not my coach or a guru or a leader you're a parasite. In, Aligarh and help those words impacted him interesting. She used a lot of the nexium language. I mean those those ideas obviously the have colloquial use but have a particular significance within nexium, which we use that language to attack Keith Ranieri and call him out. You know saying that you professed all this personal growth and challenged us to grow you plight none of. It to yourself it was a contradiction. It was kind of hypocrisy that he claimed to be this. You know enlightened leader in Lightman grew and someone that she was committed to and followed for so long and presumably wants to late on the line and let them know that he's not what he espoused to be. He lied to us too many of us and. There's a mixture of of happiness and sadness and help the everyone can heal and move on with their lives. You mentioned earlier how renewing has maintained his innocence throughout this trial and he has supporters who were in the courtroom on Tuesday. I understand and what do they all have to say about this? Yeah I mean. So interesting that despite everything that's come out about this group I, mean in the early days find you understand why some people took a long time to leave wrap their head around what was happening the organization. But now there's been so much media coverage. So many documentaries these very extensive investigation by the FBI and yet there were more than a dozen people that are supporters of Keith Rainier that we're at that courtroom today who believe that he is innocent who believed that he has not received a fair trial and and they stand by him and it seems like nothing would shake them. I mean I wonder I'm curious to know because one of the claims they make is that keeps me hard drive was tampered with after it was confiscated and claim to have some kind of evidence forensic evidence that that these photos nude photos were planted on the hard drive and yet today you have Camilla coming forward and victim impact statement saying that was me. It happened like there's no question that it happened and I can't help. But wonder if that's not going to shake some people out of their loyalty a wave away from Keith I understand he's also recently started recording his own podcast from prison. Them. Ren airy an inmate at a federal court then. Could morning did I wake you? Know, I was up already. Again, I just GONNA free wheel a little stay out of this goes to express a few things. Can you tell me that it was earlier this week I got tagged in a tweet by assume it was one of his loyal followers that said, you know Keith Ranieri is actually releasing his own podcast. He wants to tell his side of the story, check it out and sure enough I hit the link I mean it's a podcast sort of an air. Quotes it is essentially a monologue from a prison phone where he is telling his side of the story and and it is that same story saying look you might think I'm saint you might think I'm the devil but like everyone should be interested in this case because it is a case of the failure of the Criminal Justice System Prosecution lied to the court. The prosecution hampered with evidence. The prosecution suborned perjury and they're more and more points, and he's still claims to be innocent of all the charges that he has been found guilty of right I I know he has said that he plans to appeal the conviction I wanna back up a little bit. A law had to happen to even get to this trial right? Can you take me through some of the major domino's that fell before this trial even began yeah. I mean, it's it's interesting to see a lot of stuff going on and and the piece that I knew about initially was that he as I said, I had run into Sarah Edmonson she had just left the group she was part of that secret. Women's group DOS and she'd been branded on her body with Keith, his initials, and she went to New York Times, and it was on the heels of that story. In fact, the FBI said explicitly that they launched an investigation into nexium because of that New York Times article. Now, even to get to the New York Times article as people have have been watching the HBO series the vow and they have incredible access to this period of time especially of the kind of unraveling of the organization. But there was a lot of stuff going on with other high level people like the person who recruited Sarah Edmonson mark for say also left the organization and so you had all these. People trying to drum up attention trying to strategize what they could do, and there was a lot of fear at that time because if you came forward and people who come forward in the past had paid a huge price, nexium would go after detractors and defectors very aggressively and even their previous attempts to go to the FBI and say like there's something not right. Here didn't lead anywhere I. mean the FBI didn't do anything until that article came out and then the FBI launches an investigation. Keith Manera leaves the country he goes to Mexico and a few months. Later he's arrested in Mexico along with five other co-accused five other leaders in the organization right and these co-accused include Clare Bronfman the heiress to the Seagram's liquor fortune right. and Mac is an actress in the television show. SMALLVILLE. Yes, and Clare has been sentenced. She was sentenced last month but allison mack and the other co-accused have not yet been sentenced I mean they're sentencing will be coming up Soon. Essentially as as you just went through all of these people ended up pleading guilty and Rainier he went to trial alone it was just him and we talked about Cumulus story in the story of Camilla and her family. But can you take me through some of the other big revelations that came out at the trial it strikes me when I was listening to a podcast and see me original initial reporting on this like the New York Times piece I. It was crazy right the stuff that was coming out Sarah Story how she was blackmailed for the collateral that she handed over and then physically branded but things got much darker. It felt like as the trial went on. One of the things that we discovered was just the extent to which people were kind of operating in these silos in the organization. So even for people like Sarah who had been part of it for twelve years, I mean there were stuff coming out in the trial that she did not know about and keys were nearly and the and the real inner circle done a very good job of managing information managing, who you, what who was running, what part of the organization in some innocuous things and some really egregious things. And I think some of the most shocking stuff for people was just how many people Keith was in a sexual relationship with I mean he he had a Harem of of ten to fifteen women and we discovered that he was forcing many of them to have abortions on his direction. We discovered a lot of manipulation and coercion. We discovered that this kind of front facing side of Keith Ranieri. Sometimes, he was even even claim to be like a celebrate and a renunciation, the renunciation material goods what's behind the scenes something very, very different was going on. Yeah it was. It was really difficult today to read some of these victim impact statements. One of the women India Oxen Berg. She she said flat out like he he raped her I want to ask you hearing so much about this abusive behavior how is it that you think Ranieri was able to draw so many people. Into his web into his were bet. Yeah, it's a great question and as one that we kind of grappled with a lot as we were investigating the organization and trying to figure out who he is because he's really Dorky. You've watched the HBO documentary. You kind of see a whole. They have incredible access to he is and he he plays volleyball and he has this like terrible haircut and he instructs. His followers to come watch them play volleyball. You know late at night twice a week and he's kind of awkward. So what is it about him that people come to him and I think there's a few things we discovered one was that. He. Had this really remarkable ability to build rapport with people to connect with people and and people felt like when he talked to you, he got you. He made you feel like you were the only person in the room and he really was able to very quickly understand what made you tick? The other thing that made the organization powerful was the people he surrounded himself with and it was really having this group of charismatic women around him predominantly women that propped up. So there was a lot of building up what a veneration of him and that became. And the last thing I would say that that was so smart or effective with his organization was their ability to attract powerful people and successful people. So you had allison mack, you had actors that has some degree of fame. You had the Bronfman sisters that are these billionaire you know addresses you had his sons of the former president of Mexico and so when Sarah Edmonson and when other people were going around and and and trying to. Recruit members to next inconceivable to take the course, they could point to them and say look who's a part of this like these are not just schmos that are part of this organization. These are very successful powerful people that are coming here because they believe in keeper neary, and probably the biggest coup I mean the the biggest win for them was the Dalai Lama coming to Albany, and you have in two thousand nine, you have keys neary. And, Nancy Salzman sitting on stage with the Dalai Lama and essentially the Dalai Lama I mean the perception is the Dalai Lamas endorsing this organization kind provided such a incredible legitimacy to this organization, and that again is a huge win for it. It's so interesting to hear you talk about all of these well known figures that essentially gave this a veneer of legitimacy. I know even covering this nonstop and I imagine you haven't necessarily had a chance to talk with the survivors with Sarah with other survivors here, how do you think though that they would react to this this one hundred, twenty year sentence, which is you know for all intents and purposes a life sentence final question for today. Yeah. I mean I think for many people. There's just a huge amount of relief partly because you know an I spoke to many people who felt they were afraid of next even though they might have left decades ago they felt that their lives have been destroyed by Keith. Ranieri Nexium they they'd been dragged through courts they had been forced into bankruptcy and to know that he's finally behind bars that this chapter in their life is closed on that they can move on i. think is a is a huge amount of relief for many people but there's also people who and we heard it in in these victim impact statements today who have experienced a huge amount of trauma and you know. I talk to call to experts who talk about really the lifelong experience for anyone that is part of coercive a high control organization like nexium that it it's very difficult. You know after you make that initial step out of the organization after you break free and leave, you then have to grapple with. Having been a part of it having been complicit in that organization even if you didn't know what was going on, but they had devoted your to it and you had propped up this man and that can be really difficult. It can be really difficult extricate yourself again, I imagine that seeing him behind bars provide some closure but I think for many people it will take a long time to fully reckon with. Their role in this organization Tash Park. Thank you for all your reporting on this end. For coming back onto the podcast is such a pleasure. Thank you. That's it. For today I'm Jay thanks so much for listening to front burner and talk to you tomorrow. For more CBC original podcasts Goto CBC DOT CA slash original podcasts.

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S11: Infamous: NXIVM Pt. 1

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44:23 min | 5 months ago

S11: Infamous: NXIVM Pt. 1

"What started out as a modern, Day pyramid scheme made headlines for reportedly physically branding it celebrity laden membership and coercing them into being sex slaves. This is our special four part series on nexium. Learn more about what goes on inside the minds of people who join cults, then leaders and start them by following our cults podcast free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Due to the graphic nature of this cult's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. A. There must have been hundreds of phone calls before this one thousands of hours that Tony Tally spent with Keith Ranieri of the other end of the line. The two men in Nineteen ninety-one F. Seminar that thirty one year old. Keith. Through to extol the virtues of his multilevel marketing company consumers byline or CBI. Thirty three year old Tony was drawn in by Keith Vision is intellect. So she signed up and within a few months, she was one of CBI's bestsellers, and now after thousands of dollars, worth of sales and hundreds of phone calls. Keith. Wanted more. Yes. Tony to move to Albany to work for CBI full-time Tony Push back. Back on this, reminding him of her son, her husband, she couldn't just relocate at that. Keith responded I. Feel Like Your meant to help me change. The World Tony was confused. She was a high school dropout. A housewife Keith was the CEO of a million dollar company. He had an Iq higher than Einstein's, and yet he was picking her to help him change the world. Keith. Told Tony there were different types of intelligence he told her he needed her she was special. That refrain the insistence on an insecure women's uniqueness. One Keith had used time and time again in almost every instance, the phrase acted as a sort of open sesame, a magical incantation that made women give him their trust money and Russian Tony. Tally. would be no different. She'd become just one in a long line of women upon which Keith Ranieri Built His. Predatory. Empire. Hi. I'm Greg Paulson Vanessa Richardson, and this is cults a park cast original. Every Tuesday. We look at a cult practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream calls for free on spotify, just open. The APP and type calls in the search bar. For the next two weeks, we're taking a deep dive into a modern cult called nexium. The group made headlines for reportedly physically branding it celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves all to satisfy its narcissistic leader Keith. In this episode will explore how the seeds of Keith's deviance were planted in his childhood. Then we'll cover his allegedly abusive relationship with his girlfriend Tony Tally finally will detail the genesis of the South Improvement Company. That would go on to become nexium over the course of the next three episodes will track nexium is rise. It's early abuse of members and finally the cult's ignominious collapse. We've got all this and more coming up stay with us. Keith. Ranieri was always drawn to vulnerable women born in Brooklyn New York in nineteen sixty. Keith's affinity for damsels in distress began in childhood is first woman. He ever swooped into rescue was his mother. Vera. Vera was a dance teacher with a heart condition. Her illness made her the ultimate maiden in need of saving and Keith proved himself up to the challenge according to Keith. Veer was an alcoholic. He claimed he constantly had to take care of her as reported by Susanna entry was in vanity. Fair. Keith's father James and Advertising executive refuted his son's account. While he allowed bureau perhaps drank more than she should have. He didn't think she had a drinking problem. Whatever the situation in the Rainier household both Vera, and James tried their best to provide their son and only child with a good education suspecting he might be intellectually advanced. They had Keith tested sometime around age seven or eight after receiving the results Jamison Vera reportedly sat there sundown and told him that he was gifted. In an interview, with CBC, Radio, Canada's Josh Block for his investigative podcast series uncover escaping nexium, former longtime member and ex girlfriend of Keith Barbara. Bouchet recalled Keith's father saying it was almost like a switch went off and suddenly overnight. He turned into like Jesus Christ superior and better than everyone like he was a deity, this is going to take over on the psychology here, and throughout the episode please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. Greg researchers, Eddie Brahmin and Brad Bushman in a study on the development of narcissistic personality disorder found that when children are seen by their parents as being more special than other children, they may internalize the view that they're superior individuals of you. That is at the core of narcissism. This was certainly the case with Keith. After his parents told him, he was gifted. He believed that meant, he was better than everyone else. It wasn't long before Keith's arrogant attitude bled over into the way he interacted with his peers at school. In an interview with a Times reporter, Bowen Jau, a former classmate who attended grade school with Keith stated, he was always bragging about how smart he was. How much better at math he walked around like he was a miniature professor, another pierce seconded this opinion saying Keith was sort of a show off. He would always try to outdo someone. It's likely these displays of arrogance. We're byproducts of Keith's in his intellectual superiority. However, he might have also been acting out at school in response to trouble at home because in nineteen, sixty, eight, eight year, old Keith watched his parents get a divorce after their separation Keith moved into a house with his mother once it was just the two of them her. Her drinking escalated according to Barbara Boucher in her interview with block. Keith learned to become a nocturnal person because of his mother in his teenage years, he would kind of like need to watch your care for her in the evening because she would sometimes take medicine and drugs and drink. Perhaps, it was this unhealthy dynamic that caused Keith to escalate his antagonistic behavior at school whatever the reason according to interviews with his peers. By the time. Keith was nine or ten. He was no longer satisfied with just bragging. He'd graduated to outright taunting them a former classmate who only identified herself to John by the initials L. M told a disturbing story about Keith, she referred to it as the bottle incident. One day L. M. was sitting on the bus next to a young. Keith. When she lets slip a closely guarded secret about her sister. Initially, L. M. didn't worry after all. They were all friends. So she didn't think Keith would try to use the information against her she was wrong. Later that very same day. Keith approached L. A. AM and said, no, it's like I had this little bottle of poison like can hold over your head confused l. m. asked him what he meant. Keith explained, well, I don't know I. Just don't think your parents or your sister would be very happy if I told them, but M. couldn't figure out what he wanted. It wasn't like he was demanding anything. It wasn't blackmail. It just seemed like he enjoyed having something over her it. It was like he got off on the power according to l., M. Keith didn't stop there. He'd call her sometimes entirely out of the blue and repeat the same two words, little bottles just that over and over again little bottles with those words. Keith, reminded her that he knew something and he could use it against her at will the harassment reportedly continued until l. broke down and told her mother, it was only after her intervention that the phone calls finally came to an end. Despite the darkness hinted at by Keith's behavior, he did have another side softer and more solicitous. It was the side that emerged when he danced with his mother. When he took care of her late into the night, it was the site of himself that he began revealing to his peers when he entered his teenage years. Block explores this aspect of Keith's history in his series nexium according to Boucher. Vera had a front row seat to thirteen year old keats new way of interacting with his classmates more specifically the young girls of his class. But far from being glad her son was no longer antagonizing his peers bureau seemed worried one night. She apparently called her ex-husband James in a panic. Barbara recalled James telling her quote dozens of young girls were calling the house and she was overhearing his conversations with them where he was telling every single woman, every single girl. The same thing you're the special one, you're the important one in my life and I love you, and she says he's saying this two different girls. He's clearly lying because they're not all special vera was disturbed. Obviously, Keith couldn't love all those girls simultaneously, which meant her son was a liar, not only that, but he was a good liar. Renounce psychologist Dr Robert Hair created a twenty point checklist of traits that are endemic amongst psychopaths pathological lying manipulative nece, and a grandiose sense of self can all be found on the list and in Keith's character, his arrogant behavior after learning his I, Q results suggested an inflated sense of self, the little bottles incident hinted at a taste for power games. Lastly, his lies to dozens of teenage girls proved a capacity for deceitfulness. Still, it would have been premature to brand any thirteen year old as a psychopath. However, as he grew into adulthood, Keith continued to prove just how apt such a classification might have been. In nineteen, eighty-four, four keith was still seducing teenage girls except now he was much older. According to reporting by Times Union journalists, James Emo Dotto, and Jennifer? Gish. When Keith was twenty four, he met fifteen year old genome Melita and a community theater troupe in troy new. York Keith made a pass at the young girl during a trip with some friends from the theater running his hands over her face and legs. Despite her intelligence at fifteen. Gina. Didn't have the life experience to be disturbed by an adult man putting the moves on her in fact, according to Dotto and dishes article. She thought it was cool to be with an older smart guy. They started dating going to local arcades together and playing games, but Keith wasn't hanging out with Gina. So they could only indulge in age appropriate activities. You wanted something far more adult, and shortly after they started dating, Keith had sex with Gina in a dark room with a dead bolted door. The experience was painful. Gina left with flecks of blood on her t shirt was shocked by how much it hurt despite her discomfort twenty, four year. Old Keith insisted they do it again, he continued hounding the fifteen year old for sex despite the fact that the age of consent in New York state was seventeen and Keith was committing statutory rape. Ultimately suspecting there was something wrong with the relationship Gina broke things off Keith accepted her decision. But suggested that the to continue having sex according to Gish in O'Donoghue's article that was when realized that Keith didn't care about her at all. She was right with this predatory relationship. Keith checked off more box on hairs benchmark, a complete lack of empathy. At around the same time Gina, broke things off with Keith, he started working at the Multi Level Marketing Company. Amway. Keith's friend Eric, J rude and his interview with block shortly after his stint at Amway Keith began talking about founding company of his own that mirrored the MLM structure. It was also during this time that the first seeds of Keats cult following were planted. He started holding court at his town house in Clifton Park. New York. Keith. Lead long philosophical sessions transforming the state structure into a sort of hippy hang out. Dozens of young women showed up at the House to listen to him talk. In addition to vague dreams about improving amway structure. Keith also discussed the human potential movement block defined this philosophy as the idea of unlocking people's untapped abilities and how it can bring about positive change in the world. It was this topic that most appealed to the listening women especially because Keith claimed, he saw great potential in them. According to one of his friends from that time Keith often encouraged the women at these sessions to fulfill whatever their gifts and talents must be. It's no surprise then that the young women started to see Keith as a sort of Guru. Before long they were discussing how we might brand himself as such. Then Mary his goals of founding an MLM organization with his desires to help people reach their full potential. Eventually a consensus was reached, everybody agreed that Keith should take another Iq test. It's likely they believed that doing so would bolster his credibility allowing him to start the business of his dreams. Journalist Irene Gardner Keeney wrote for the Albany Times Union that in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, seven, twenty, seven, year, old Keith took a forty eight question. I Q test crafted by the Mega Society after turning it in Keith got forty, six out of forty eight questions. Right. This put is I q at an enviable one, seventy, eight for context. It's believed that Auburn Einstein had an I q of one sixty. Thus with a score of one, seventy, eight Keith proved himself smarter than the man who developed the theory of relativity as far as the test was concerned. However, even catapulting above such rarefied company wasn't enough for Keith. Keith, and soon, he claimed that he had an Iq in the stratospheric to forty range one year. Later, Keith was included in the Australian edition of the Guinness Book, of World Records as the man with the highest I q, the local Albany newspapers covered the unexpected discovery of genius within their midst with all the usual restraint of the press. In other words, they ran a headline calling Keith a one in ten million intellect. It didn't seem to matter to the breathless reporters that the test that supposedly proved kice intelligence was one of the UN timed take home variety nor did anyone bother to check the supposed? Geniuses? College. If they had, they would have discovered that Keith graduated from college with a GPA of two point, two six. But in nineteen, Eighty, eight, none of those snacks mattered twenty eight year old Keith, Ranieri. Leveraged the publicized Mega Society Test Results and his inclusion in the Guinness Book of World Records to brand himself. The smartest man in the world, it was this moniker allowed him to establish the first of his predatory enterprises. Next, Keith praise on a vulnerable woman in a bid to grow his first business now back to the story. In nineteen eighty eight after taking the Mega Society, Iq Test, twenty eight year, old Keith Ranieri was finally able to substantiate his claims of being a genius soon after he branded himself the smartest man in the world and said about figuring out how to capitalize on it. By nineteen ninety, thirty year, old Keith had landed on an angle or rather a brand new company. He called it. Consumers byline like Amway. Consumers byline was a multilevel marketing company. It promised to deliver deep discounts on household products to its members like other MLM's before it. The company also promised members financial incentives for recruiting new affiliates though Keith was passionate about consumers byline, it hardly seemed a lofty enough endeavor for the smartest man in the world, which is exactly what thirty two year old Tony Tally thought She sat in a stuffy ballroom at the Holiday Inn in Rochester New York. Tony had only agreed to attend the seminar because her husband rusty insisted ever since adopting their baby boy three years earlier, they'd been going through a rough patch. So she was loathe to disappoint him unseen Keith assumed the stage. The first thing she noticed was how short he was equally unimpressed Tony's husband snickered, but he looked like a geek. However as Keith began to pitch all, Tony's reservations faded away. was captivated to her Keith's intellect. His singularity was undeniable. After, the presentation Tony Approach Keith and asked you have to forty I Q. Why aren't you curing cancer? Why aren't you changing the world? Keith responded I. AM changing the world. Don't you WANNA come along. And Tony and her husband were hooked. They both signed up and got to work selling CBI, memberships at extolling its world, changing virtues to all who would listen. By the summer of Nineteen ninety-one Tony and her husband were so successful selling. CBI. Memberships that Keith awarded them with the company's top regional salesman prize along with clout. The award came with a sixteen thousand dollar cash grant. Curious about the inner workings of the company expended so much effort promoting Tony and her husband decided to fly to CBI's headquarters. In Clifton Park new. York, just see it for themselves. The outside of the CBI offices were uninspiring inside. However was a wonder. It was the early nineties and computers were still a rarity and yet tony marveled as dozens of CBI employees tapped away at multiple computer terminals. Everyone seemed excited to be there. Furthermore, twenty was pleasantly surprised to notice that. Keith, seemed to have more female employees than male ones. One of the women even had her daughter with her twelve years old with braces and blonde hair Tony watched as the young girl thumbed through an Algebra. Algebra Textbook. Tony learned that Keith was periodically taking time out of his busy schedule to tutor the girl in math before Tony could comment on Keith's magnanimity. The man himself burst out of his office. Keith's glasses were askew his shirt untucked and still tony was an off him. She was touched that a high powered CEO would take time to mentor girl unbeknownst to Tony Mentorship didn't at all explain the dynamic between thirty one year old Keith, and the twelve year old girl Tony met at his office. According to later court documents, Keith was a sexual Predator in Nineteen ninety-one. When Tony met the young blonde girl. He'd already been raping her for an entire year. He had indeed gained access to the child by offering to tutor her in Algebra and Latin instead behind her mother's back Keith, I taught the girl. How to hug? The way adults did pelvis to pull this, and then he took her virginity according to the Times. Union, Keith continued sexually. Sexually assaulting the young girl, not only in his townhouse, but an empty offices in an elevator and in a broom closet at the plaza that house consumers byline as Tony walked out of consumers by line and into the parking lot. She had no idea that Keith was the sexual Predator on the contrary. She considered him a new friend. That's why after the Clifton Park Visit Tony began spending hours at a time talking to Keith on the phone. Tony's husband rusty was bemused by the frequency of Keith's calls. But he wasn't threatened. Keith was short endorsed. However rusty didn't anticipate that. What Keith lacked height he made up for and his boundless ability to listen. Tony had never been listened to. So closely by anyone. So she talked she told Keith that rusty hadn't made love to her in two years. She confided in him her insecurities about being a high school dropout. Lastly, she trusted him enough to share that. She'd been sexually abused when she was four years old. Keith took all of her shame Oliver Insecurities and told Tony that she was special. It. Didn't matter that she was a high school dropout. She had emotional intelligence, and for that reason he needed. Keith Vaz Tony to move to Albany, worked for CBI FULL-TIME AND HELP him change, the world. Keith would later dub his method of soothing person's emotional triggers integration. It would serve as a key strategy for the acquisition of information under the guise of helping followers process trauma. But for now, he was still working out the kinks in his technique. Maybe that's why Tony initially refused Keith's alluring offer. A couple of months later, however, after her husband's business went belly up, she asked her CEO best friend for financial help. Keith claimed he couldn't sign off on any loans unless she met with his business manager in Clifton Park. Grateful for even the hope of financial aid Tony agreed. And just that Keith got exactly what he wanted Tony on a plane by herself and route to Clifton Park. When she got there. Tony found that Keith's house in Clifton Park was filthy. The trash cans were overflowing with garbage. The dishes boasted week old congealed food, and there seemed to be closed haphazardly strewn across the floors on taking in the foulness of the place. Tony was likely forced to conclude that the smartest man in the world apparently didn't know how to use soap. The second thing, Tony. Notice was Keith's female roommates. He's still lived with his ex girlfriend Karen. Karen UNTER, Einer, and of the year since college to more had joined her number Pam K. Fritz slightly ditzy Brunette who happened to be the daughter of influential DC socialites and Kristen Kief an audacious blonde with me. This is Tony, found the setup strange a grown man with a successful business living with three women. But she told herself Keith was a bit of an all besides women and men could be friends didn't her friendship with Keith prove as much. Shortly. After her arrival Keith took her to the meeting with his business partner George Weiss just as he promised. But he didn't sign off on a loan tony expected. Instead, he offered her a job running a new skin care business that Keith was hoping to add onto CBI, while the salary of the role was generous enough to allow Tony to pay off her husband's debt, there was a massive catch. It required her to permanently relocate to Clifton. Park, it seemed every single road kept leading back to that same demand. Though Tony was tempted by the money. She still wasn't sure. She could leave behind her life in Rochester? Sure. Her husband and son would move with her but her brother friends and business contacts, they would all remain back home. Wanting to buy herself some time to talk with their family Tony promised, she would seriously consider the job offer at that point. Keith generously offered to accompany her to her hotel. Inside that small room at the best Western, the real reason Keith. Ranieri. Had summoned Tony Clifton Park revealed itself the meeting with Weiss. It was over before it began. But Keith kept Tony in that hotel room for hours. She had no idea how much time had elapsed since they entered twelve hours thirteen. Time didn't exist. Tony? Didn't exist the only things that existed Keith's is and the questions he insisted she answer. He wanted her to tell him about the sexual abuse. She'd suffered as a child. So Tony told the story again, and again she told, Keith, she was four when her uncle assaulted her, she told him that it lasted for years and yet met her what she said or how she said it. The explanation was never enough. Keith. Always had another question. Tony begged him for break a moment to close her eyes gather her thoughts. She didn't even understand why they were doing this. Why he was making. You're talk about the worst thing that ever happened to her. Keith told her, he wanted to make it better to ease her pain. Then he asked her to tell him the painful story again from the top Tony, broke down crying. She couldn't do it. She couldn't relive it again. It hurt too much. She was exhausted. At the site of her tears, Keith went tour. He told her that he could help her. He would help her, but she had to take the job she had to move to Clifton Park. At, that point it just seemed easier to say, yes. So defeated Tony agreed, yes. She would take the job. Yes. She would move to Clifton. Park. It's not surprising that Tony capitulated to Keith's demands a study by researchers. Pam. Low Kathy Humphries and Simon Jay Williams found a connection between sleep deprivation and the establishment of a regime of power and control by one person over another in a follow up study, they also discovered that sleep deprivation was a direct strategy of abuse used by perpetrators to undermine the mental and physical resilience of women. This meant that though Keith wasn't physically abusing Tony, his emotional abuse was just as harmful. Unfortunately, Tony interpreted his malevolence as compassion. Over the next five months, Tony worked FULLTIME FOR CBI. She and Keith traveled the country giving seminars about the life changing virtues of the company. All the time spent away from her husband and child meant that, Tony. Felt closer to Keith than anyone else. Nevertheless, a relationship between them seemed impossible Tony was married. However, according to Tony's book the program one afternoon Keith look deep into her eyes and told her he was in love with her. In response to his declaration Tony Nearly gasped, she couldn't believe that the smartest man in the world was in love with her a high school dropout. Any doubts she had however were disabused when Keith kissed. Her. Not long after that first kiss Tony divorced rusty. The decision felt like it had been a long time coming. In mid nineteen, ninety-two after thirty-three-year-old. Tony left her husband. Kristen kief one of Keith's roommates helped Tony find a house in their neighborhood. Her new home was so close to Keith's that he could walk from his backyard into hers thirty, two year old Keith took advantage of their proximity. Immediately, the first night in Tony's new home the to made love unlike rusty who hadn't touched Tony and years Keith was insatiable. His desire for Tony, likely acted as a soothing balm after years of being ignored. In addition to the physical evidence of Kids, Love Tony was showered with verbal declarations. Keith, told her over and over again that he loved her, she completed him. She was special. The next morning in the parking, lot of CBI twenty was still basking in the afterglow she leaned over and kissed her new boyfriend on the cheek. Keith instantly pushed her away. Confused Tony asked him. What was wrong? Keith told her they had to hide their relationship. Otherwise, people would think she'd slept her way into the esteemed job she held at CBI. After all that did seem a more likely explanation given. The fact that she was just a high school dropout twenty received his words. Almost does a physical slab Keith had told her that or lack of official credentials didn't matter. He said she was special. Just when she felt confident insecure and his love, he yanked the rug out from under her. Tony, didn't know it yet, but this was just the beginning soon, Keith Raniry, which show her the entirety of his true face. Up Next Tony discovers the depth of Keith's depravity now back to the story. In, mid Nineteen ninety-two, thirty, two, year, old Keith Ranieri Convinced thirty-three-year-old Tony Natoli to leave her husband and moved to Clifton Park. New. York to work for his company consumers byline. However, the minute Tony did so keith changed the rules of their relationship. Namely, their romantic entanglement had remained a secret while Tony was still reeling from this development in her personal life things began to unravel in the professional sphere as well. On. May Twenty First Nineteen Ninety two the Albany Times Union released an article dubbing consumers bind. Line. Up, pyramid scheme the article alleged that CBI I was being investigated by authorities in New York and Maine and had been sued by the Arkansas Attorney General. Like. All true narcissists. Keith responded to this attack on his ego with rage. He called the Journalists Liars and the State Attorneys General Vindictive in her book. Tony wrote Keith even went as far as recording and disseminating a five minute message to all CBI members trumpeting his high ethical standards. Keith's employees believed him. But Keith, himself wasn't satisfied according to Tony's book. He became increasingly paranoid. He accused the government of spying on him of opening his mail and tapping phones. His behavior at home was even worse. Keith would let himself into Tony's house at all hours of the night. Then he'd shake her awake and demand quote physical comfort after months of the ceramic behavior Tony had enough. She was tired of outbursts, his demands and his continued refusal to acknowledge their relationship in public. However, Keith Ranieri didn't shake easily he convinced Tony to take him back by agreeing to claim her publicly. He even conceded to the two of them moving into their own house. Tony should have been thrilled after all. She was getting everything she wanted, and yet as she moved into a brand new home with her son and Keith, she couldn't shake the feeling that she was making a huge mistake. A few years later in nineteen ninety-seven, it looked as though Tony had made the right decision and staying with Keith sure CBI I had crumbled under the weight of the many lawsuits leveled against it, but thirty, seven year old Keith and Tony had started a successful new business selling nutritional supplements. Even more promising, the two, it purchased a beautiful home at a nice neighborhood where they raised Tony Son Michael together from the outside things. looked fantastic. The view from inside that beautiful house however was much darker after three years of living with. Keith. Tony was beginning to understand that there was something very wrong with. For starters he refused to do any chores whatsoever. He just sat around the House and expected Tony to wait on him. Secondly, he was practically nocturnal staying up all hours of the night and sleeping through the day. But that wasn't the worst of it. The worst of it was like that old parable of being careful what you wish for Tony's ex husband rusty hadn't touched her Keith on the other hand was insatiable and it was great. It was awesome until it wasn't according to Tony. Keith demanded sex every single day, and when she didn't want to Keith raped her, it got so bad that sometimes Tony resorted to barricading herself in the closet just to get away from him. She didn't know what to do. She had no one to talk to, and then she met. Nancy. Salzman. In nineteen ninety-seven after struggling with severe constipation Nancy salesman visited the nutritional supplements, Business Tony. Ran With Keith. After Tony prescribed her the perfect cocktail of supplements. Nancy wanted to return the favor offering her own area of expertise. According to an interview, toning the tally gave to the COT journalist, Katie Heaney Nancy build herself as the number two neuro linguistic programming expert in the world, and she presented herself as a therapist. In this capacity. She'd been sought out by executives from esteemed companies like con, Edison and American Express. Desperate to talk to someone about chief and reassured by. Nancy's impressive credentials. Tony agreed to meet with her. At their first session, Tony told Nancy about Keith's erotic behavior, his refusal to maintain normal sleeping hours though she left out his constant sexual assaults in response Nancy smiled and said Oh, that's easy. Your boyfriend is a psychopath. Then Nancy told Tony. She could help her and suggested that the to start having regular therapy sessions. However by their very next session Nancy had completely changed her tune instead of repeating her diagnosis of Keith being a psychopath. Nancy. Stated that the problems in Tony's relationship stemmed from Tony Herself, Nancy believed that Tony had intimacy issues due to the sexual abuse she'd suffered as a child. and. It was weird because Tony Never told Nancy about her childhood trauma, but she was so grateful when Nancy offered to help her deal with the trauma that it didn't occur to her to question where Nancy had gotten the information, it also didn't occur to. Tony to wonder where Nancy's complete one, eighty on Keith was coming from. had. She dug deeper. Tony might have realized that Nazis change of heart was due to Keith himself. In fact, by the time, she sat down with Nancy for her second session key already gotten his hooks into her. After Tony's first session with Nancy, she had made the mistake of telling Keith about it unbeknownst to hurt. He went behind her back and booked his own session with the neuro linguistic programmer. Three more sessions between Keith. Followed the first and throughout each session Keith, likely put his greatest strength to work he listened. If. That were the case he probably learned that Nancy was going through a difficult time in her life. Her first marriage had failed years prior, and now her second one was breaking down because her husband was leaving her for another man. Since vulnerable and insecure women were Keith's particular specialty. Maybe he provided Nancy with a shoulder to cry on. Maybe he reassured her perhaps even told Nancy that she was special. Whatever the case in her book, the program Tony Hypothesized that it was likely during these four sessions, they keith learned the other important detail about Nancy. Her qualifications were completely fabricated. Nancy's corporate clients saw her Polish incompetence. They assumed she was a psychologist like she claimed, but that was fiction. Nancy's only training was in hypnotherapy and neuro linguistic programming, which would later be disdained by the scientific community as pseudoscience akin to astrology on learning about her falsified credentials. Keith's arsenal of weapons would have been complete on the one hand. He had the carrot, his soothing tone, his listening ear, his insistence that Nancy was special. But should she step out of line? Keith had the stick at the ready like the little bottles he held over his friends head as a child. So to could he wheeled the threat of exposing Nancy's duplicity and ruining the credibility she'd worked so hard to build. In light of all that it's no surprise that Nancy fell completely under Keith Rainier as spell. In February of Nineteen Ninety eight three months after meeting Nancy. SALTZMAN thirty eight year old Keith, Raniry. Decided to start his next business venture with her. Tony. Didn't pushback on the bazaar development therapist going into business with her abusive boyfriend, likely because Nancy had adequately convinced Tony that the problems in her relationship with Keith were her fault that allowed both Keith and Nancy. To start drawing up plans for their new company executive success programs according to Tony's book Keith. Decided that saving consumers money was to pedestrian for a singular genius and to fraught with legal. Minefields Life Coaching Executive Success Self. Improvement. Hokum that was the way to go. Like consumers bylined before it, Keith. Decided executive success programs would also have a multilevel marketing structure. However, this time instead of having members Schill household products, they'd be selling self-improvement technology this. So called scientific coursework would be similar to the neuro linguistic programming that Nancy offered her corporate clients. However, as Keith built yet another new company, his relationship with Tony continued to unravel things finally came to a head in April nineteen, ninety nine. On an afternoon in April Keith. And Tony had a blow out argument over a shrunken sweater despite the frivolousness of the subject matter. The fight highlighted the main issues. Tony. Had with the entire relationship. Keith was dismissive, egotistical and cruel. She broke up with him for good. Keith retaliated by leveling a number of spurious lawsuits her way. But that was just as bruised ego talking truth thirty, nine year old Keith had already moved on Tony would remain sore spot a living reminder of the game. He didn't win the woman, he couldn't dominate, but the world had no shortage of vulnerable women and Keith understood the importance of picking his marks deliberately if his future goals were as nails before him in Nancy Keith had found his hammer. She was a corporate animal polished competent and like him, she had the ability to manipulate people to her ends with Nancy Keith knew. Knew, he could accomplish so much more than he had with all the others together. The two of them had already devised a new kind of self-improvement technology one. Then Keith would later claim could help people become Oscar winning actresses. Olympic medalling athletes and successful entrepreneurs with promises like that Keith knew they were going to turn executive success programs into a multi level marketing empire and like officers in the army were given titles as they progressed up the ranks so too did Keith seek to adorn his new right hand woman? He decided that Nancy's new name in the organization would be prefect. As for Keith himself, ESP's future members would call him then guard. Thanks again for tuning it to colts, we'll be back on Thursday with the second episode of our four-part special will cover how Keith used nexium to lure to billionaire heiresses and one Hollywood actress into was web for more information on Keith, Ranieri amongst the many sources we used, we found the program inside the mind of Keith, Raniry and the rise and fall of Nexium by Tony Tally with Chet. Harden, extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, not only spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like colts. From your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream pulse on spotify, just open the APP and type cults and a search bar will see you next time. Colts was created by Max Cutler and a podcast studios. 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Encore: The downfall of NXIVMs Keith Raniere

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Encore: The downfall of NXIVMs Keith Raniere

"I'm martin savage and is and we're back with a brand new season of seat at the table. The podcast where we have in depth conversations with notable guests from media sports and pop culture. But this time we're capturing personal stories about the power of the black lives matter movement the urgency of this moment and really what it will take to move forward seat at the table is available now on. Cbc listen on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast. Hi everybody alright. So this is the final encore episode. We're going to run this holiday season. It's my conversation with someone. You will probably be very familiar with josh block hosted while i was on maternity leave and you may also have heard his incredible. Podcast uncover escaping nexium. Josh and i spoke the day that keith renew the founder of nexium was convicted of a laundry list of crimes. We're back with a fresh episode tomorrow. And then of course. Five new shows a week starting the first week of the new year. Talk to you soon. Hello i'm jeannie so three years ago if you are one of the women who had been victimized by keith ranieri. The man seemed untouchable. Really was the leader of the cult lake and nominally self. Help group nexium now. That's all changed in a us. Federal courtroom on tuesday keith was sentenced to one hundred and twenty years having been convicted of a slew of crimes including turning some of his followers into sex slaves and branding them with his initials joining me to explain how rainier his house of cards finally fell down josh block. He's a familiar voice on the show and he's also the host of uncover escaping nexium. This is from peru. Hi josh thank you so much for coming on the podcast again so soon. Hey jamie it's good to be back on the show. I didn't think back this soon. Look i know you've spent years looking at this organization. One hundred and twenty years ranieri got today Did you expect this to happen. I was thinking back to when i first ran into sarah edmonson. Who was my childhood friend. Who i ran into in two thousand seventeen sarah edmonson. We met when were to. We went to the daycare last summer. I ran into her on hornby island. British columbia. I hadn't seen her in about fifteen years. And we have one of those disjointed conversations. You have as run after small children older. I work at the cbc and she replied. I just left cult and at that time the nexium was in full operation. They had centers across north america. They were looking to expand into europe. He people were signing up for the self help workshops and today you know the sentencing is the remarkable end of this dramatic unraveling of the organization. That's happened so quickly. So you know perhaps a more recently. I i perhaps less surprised but when i think back to starting to look into this organization it is quite remarkable and remind us what ranieri was being sentenced for today right so so last year in the same courthouse Keith rainier had a six week trial and he was facing seven counts which he was found guilty on all of them and they range from sex trafficking to child pornography to racketeering. Which is this this charge. That's usually reserved for you. Know mafia and criminal organizations but the prosecution made this case that there was a pattern of illegal activity happening in nexium and that was essentially a crime boss that was using nexium for his personal gain for You know to for his financial gain to procure sexual partners and you know a big chunk of their investigation focused on dos on the secret women's group inside the organization That women joined thinking they were joining a women's empowerment group and they handed over collateral in the form of of nude photos and explicit videos. And once they were handed over. They talked about how they were. Essentially blackmailed to some of them were many of them were branded on their body with the initials of key through neary. The person who's being branded should be completely nude and sort of held to the table. Like a sort of almost a sacrifice. And that's a feeling of submission you know Some of them were instructed to have sexual encounters with keith ranieri and they felt that if they did not comply with those demands they would have their collateral released and and that their lives will be destroyed. I mean that's where the kind of sex trafficking charges come from and so the judge having found guilty of the sex trafficking and of essentially being the head of this criminal organization. What did he have to say today when he sentenced him to one hundred twenty years i mean he he first of all in addition to sentencing him also slapped him with a significant fine. I believe it was one point. Seven five million dollars. He also instructed keith. Ranieri to have zero contact with any nexium associates Which is very important for people who have left the group that wanna see nexium. Leo completely collapsed and he was Very clear that he was unimpressed with keith. Mary's lack of remorse In this case and and certainly that has played into the significant You know just just how long this prison sentence is right. And i want to get to his Lack of remorse in a moment but first if we could spend a little bit of time talking but the survivors here. There are fifteen victim. Impact statements that were read on tuesday Some pretty intense statements about how ranieri left Many women traumatized. And can we start with the first woman to give a victim. Impact statement a woman named camilla. Who is she right yes. She was just identified as as camilla in the courtroom and her testimony is so heartbreaking. She was fifteen years old. She says when keith barry i began a sexual relationship with her and that relationship went on for twelve years and she says that she was she just had her childhood and youth robbed from her that she said quote he. He used my innocence to do whatever he wanted with me not just sexually but also psychologically manipulated me into what he wanted for his own reasons for his own pleasure And and you know i. It is very remarkable to hear her case. Because it's on it's her case. That is the basis for the child pornography. Charges that keith regnery faces i mean they the. Fbi found nude photos of her when she was fifteen on his hard drive So very heartbreaking. To hear and obviously i presume very dramatic for her to provide testimony directly to him right. I saw the new york. Times was reporting that she was advised not to participate in the trial and then This was the first time that she actually decided to speak out on tuesday. I know her whole family is entangled in this as well right and her sister also spoke on tuesday and her sister had been ordered to be confined to a room for almost two years because she apparently kissed another man. That's right i mean. It's the story of this. Family is so bizarre and so tragic and this came out in the trial as well that she was all you know. He had sexual relationships with three People in that family and this woman committed what they call an ethical breach. Which was that you know. If you're in a relationship with keith barry. You're supposed to be entirely devoted for him. You may not be with other people and she had admitted that she had a crush on another boy and she was confined to a room almost two years and actually comp. The nexium took away Her passport. she's a mexican national so she really couldn't leave And was stuck there and that was. Her story was very powerfully recounted in by her in the trial last year. Right right and i understand the whole family has been torn apart by this Rainier apparently had a sexual relationship with all three of the daughters in this family and the oldest daughter and the father are still supporters of for neri This is it's such a tragic story. 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Millions of people have heard your podcast and are familiar with sarah edmonson a former high ranking leader in this group. She's a she ran the vancouver chapter She has branded with keith initials. And what did she have to say today. So she provided a victim impact statement actually buy video coach or a guru or leader you're a parasite a griffin and a liar and i hope those words impacted him interesting. She used lot of the nexium language. I mean those those ideas obviously they have colloquial use but a particular significance within nexium. Because we use that language to attack keith. Neary call him out. You know saying that you professed all this personal growth and and and you know challenged us to grow but you applied none of it to yourself. It was a contradiction. It was kind of hypocrisy that that he claimed to be this. You know enlightened leader in the lightning grew and someone that she was committed to and followed for so long and presumably wants to late on the line and let them know that he's not what he espoused to be. He lied to us too many of us. And there's a mixture of of happiness and sadness. And i hope that everyone can heal and move on with their lives. You mentioned earlier. How renewing has maintained his innocence throughout the trial and he has supporters who were in the courtroom on tuesday. I understand and what do they all have to say about this. Yeah i mean so interesting that despite everything that's come out about this group i mean in the early days find. You can understand why people took a long time to leave or wrap their head around what was happening the organization but now there's been so much media covered so many documentaries off the these very extensive investigation by the fbi and yet there were more than a dozen people that are supporters of keith rainier. That were at that courtroom today. Who believed that. He is innocent. Who believed that. He has not received a fair trial and they stand by him and it seems like nothing would shake them. I mean i wonder. I'm curious to know because one of the claims they make is that that the hard that keeps me really hard drive was tampered with after it was confiscated and they claim to have some evidence forensic evidence that that these Photos nude photos were planted on the hard drive. And yet today you have camilla coming forward and our victim. Impact statements saying that was me. It happened like there's no question that happened. I can't help but wonder if that's not going to shake some people out of their loyalty. A wave away from keith. I understand. He's also recently started recording his own podcast from prison college from an inmate end. Etcetera could morning. Did i wake you. I know i was up already. Good again just gonna free wheel a little to stay. How this goes to express a few things. I can you tell me more about that. Yeah it was earlier. This week. I got tagged in a tweet By zoom it was one of his loyal followers. That said you know keith. Ranieri is actually releasing his own podcast. He wants to tell his side of the story. Check it out and sure enough. I hit i hit the link. I mean it's a podcast sort of in air quotes it is essentially like a monologue from a prison phone Where he is telling his side of the story and and it is that same story. Saying look you might think. I'm a saint. You might think. I'm the devil but like everyone should be interested in this case because it is a case of the failure of the criminal justice system prosecution lie to the court. The prosecution tampered with evidence. The prosecution suborned perjury. And they're more and more point and still claims to be innocent of all the charges that that he has been found guilty of right. I i know he has said that. He plans to appeal the conviction. I want to back up a little bit. A lot had to happen to even get to this trial right Can you take me through some of the major domino's that fell before this trial even began. Yeah i mean it's it's interesting to see because a lot of stuff going on and and the piece that i knew about Initially was that he. As i said i had run into sarah edmonson. She had just left the group part of that secret. Women's group dos and she'd been branded on her body with keith renews initials and she went to new york times and it was on the heels of that story in fact the fbi said explicitly that they launched an investigation into nexium. Because of that new york times article now even to get to that new york times article as people have have been watching the hbo series the vow would and they have incredible access to this period of time especially Of the kind of you know unraveling of the organization but there was a lot of stuff going on to other high level people like The person who recruited sarah edmonson mark also left the organization And so you had all these people trying to drum up attention trying to strategize what they could do. And there was a lot of fear at that time because if you came forward and people who had come forward in the past had paid a huge price nexium would go after the detroit Detractors defectors vary aggressively And even their previous administrations to go to the fbi and say like something not right. Here didn't lead anywhere. I mean the fbi didn't do anything until that article came out and then the fbi investigation keith. Near he leaves the country he goes to mexico and a few months later. He's arrested in mexico along with five other co-accused five other leaders in the organization. Right and these coaches include clare bronfman the heirs to the seagram's liquor fortune. Right and allison. Mack is an actress in the in the television. Show smallville yes. And claire has been sentenced. She was sentenced last month But allison mack and The other co-accused have not yet been sentenced. I mean they're sentence will be Sentencing will be coming up soon. Essentially as as you just went through. All of these people ended up pleading guilty and renew. He went to trial alone was just him. And we talked about Cumulus story in the story camilla and her family. But but can you take me through some of the other big revelations that came out at the trial it it strikes me when i was listening to your podcast and seeing the original initial reporting on this like the new york times piece i it was crazy right the stuff that was coming out. Sarah story how. She was blackmailed for the collateral that she handed over and then physically branded but things got much darker it felt like As trial went on one of the things that we discovered was just the extent to which people were kind of operating in these silos in the organization so even for people like sarah who had been part of it for twelve years. I mean there were stuff coming out in the trial that she did not know about And and the keys were nearly and the and inner circle very good job of managing information managing. Who do you want who was running. What part of the organization some innocuous things and some really egregious things. And i think some of the most shocking stuff for people was just How many people keith. Rene was was in a sexual relationship with i mean. He had a harem of of ten to fifteen women and we discovered that he was Forcing many of them to have abortions on on his direction we discovered A lot of manipulation and coercion. We discovered that that that this kind of front facing side of keith ranieri that you know. Sometimes he was even Even claim to be like a salad and a renunciation the renunciation material goods. You know behind the scenes. Something very very different was going on. Yeah it was. It was really difficult today to read some of these victim. Impact statements One of the women. India oxburg she. She said flat out like he raped her. I want to ask you hearing so much about this. This abusive behavior. How is it that you think rainier eat was able to draw so many people into his web into his orbit. Yeah that's a great question. And there's one that we kind of grappled with a lot as we were Investigating the organization and trying to figure out who he is because he's really dorky. Like he really is. And if you've watched the hbo documentary you kind of a whole. They have incredible access. he is and he. He plays volleyball and he. Has this like terrible haircut. And he instructs his followers to come watch to play volleyball. You know late at night twice a week and he's kinda awkward. What is it about him that that made people come to him. And i and. I think there's a few things we discovered was that he had this really remarkable ability to build report with people to connect with people and and people felt like when he talked to you. He got you he kind of he made you feel like you were the only person in the room and he really was able to very quickly understand what made you tick. The other thing that made the organization powerful was the people he surrounded himself with and it was really having this group of of charismatic women around him predominantly women that Propped him up so there was a lot of of building up is what a veneration of him and that became infectious. And the last thing. I would say that that was so smart or effective with his organization was their ability to attract powerful people and successful people. So you had allison mack. You had actors That that has some degree of fame. You had the bronfman sisters that are these billionaire. You know era s.'s. You had the sons of a former president of mexico and so when sarah edmonson and when other people were going around and and and trying to recruit members to nexium inconceivable to take the course they could point to them and say look. Who's a part of this. Like these are not just schmos that are part of this organization. These are very successful powerful. People that are coming here because they believe in keith. Neary and probably the biggest coup. I mean the biggest win for them. Was the dalai lama coming to albany. And you have you know in two thousand nine. You have keys monari. Ansi salesman sitting on stage with the dalai lama and essentially the dalai lama. I mean the perception is the dalai lamas endorsing this organization. It kind of provided such a incredible legitimacy to this organization and that again is just a huge win for it so interesting to hear you talk about all of these well-known figures that essentially gave this a veneer of legitimacy. I know that you've been covering this nonstop. And i imagine you haven't necessarily a chance to talk with the survivors with sarah with other survivors. Here how do you think though that they would react to this this one hundred and twenty year sentence which is you know for all intents and purposes a life sentence final question for today. Yeah i mean. I think for many people. There's just a huge amount of relief. A and partly because you know and i spoke to many people who felt they were afraid of what of next even though they might have left decades ago. They felt that Their lives have been destroyed by keith. Ranieri and nexium that they've been dragged through courts they had been forced into bankruptcy and to know that he's finally behind bars that this chapter in their life is closed and they can move on i think is a is a huge amount of relief for for many people But the there's also people who have and we heard it in in these victim impact statements. Today who have experienced a huge amount of trauma and you know talk to called experts. Who talk about really the lifelong experience for anyone that is part of coercive a high control organization like nexium that it. It's very difficult. You know after you make that initial step out of the organization after you break free and leave you then have to grapple with having been a part of it having been complicit in that organization even if he didn't know what was going on but they had devoted your life to it and you had propped up this man and that can be really difficult it can be really difficult to extricate yourself again. I imagine that seeing him behind bars provide some closure. But i think for many people. It will take a long time to fully reckon with with their role in this organization josh park. Thank you for all your reporting on this end for coming back onto the podcast is such a pleasure. Thank you all right so before we go today earlier this week we did an episode on evictions basically how renters are being disproportionately affected by the covid economic downturn. You can find that episode in our feet since it ran. Though some news. 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NXIVM Pt. 3: The Master and the Slave

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NXIVM Pt. 3: The Master and the Slave

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes, listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In Two Thousand Sixteen Nicole lay naked on a table. She was blindfolded and beyond at the ankles and wrists. And she shivered from the Cold Nicole. Probably wondered how she got there. She just wanted to be a successful actress. That's why she trusted. Allison Mack months earlier thirty four year old. allyson had invited to call to join a women's empowerment. Group thrilled better not be veteran would take an interest in her. Nicole accepted then came the demands. I Allison told Nicole to call her master. Then she insisted that Nicole remained celebrate for three months, but it was allison's final request that led to Nicole lying naked, blindfolded and bound with only fifty six year old key through a neary at her side. All! Nicole was immobilized. Someone began performing oral sex on her. At first. She assumed it was Keith, but then he started talking to her even as the act continued. That's when Cole realized with horror that she didn't know who was going down on her and bound. She was there was nothing she could do to stop them. After the oral sex she hadn't consented to Nicole returned to. Show talk, however when she told the actress what had transpired with Keith, ellison didn't seem surprised instead. She told Nicole that she was brave and she had earned the privilege of working more with Keith. Hi, I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa Richardson then. This is colts. Apar- cast original every Tuesday. We look at cults, practices, their leader and their followers. You can find all episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, just dream cults for free on spotify just open the APP and type cults in the search bar. This marks the second week of our deep dive into nexium. The group made headlines for physically branding celebrity. Celebrity late and membership, and coercing them into being sex slaves, all to satisfy its narcissistic leader. Keith remarry in this episode will explore Keith's relationship with actress Allison? Mack then will detail the role. Alison played in his predatory sorority. Finally will cover some of the horrifying practices. Keith inflicted upon DOS members in Thursday's final episode will delve into the unmasking of dos for what it really was. A sex ring will follow Keith's desperate flight to Mexico and his eventual capture and downfall. We've got all this and more coming up. Stay with us. In two thousand, six forty six year old Keith Ranieri was a man completely in charge of his kingdom, he built nexium up from nothing, and though the corporate clients initially coveted had rejected him. Keith more than made up for it. By securing billionaire heiresses, Clarence Sara Bronfman as members, however, the shiny is and Keith's crown was his newest recruit allison mack. Five years earlier in two thousand, one, nine thousand nine year old allison mack was cast to play super. Man's best friend in the hit teen soap smallville in addition to being a superheroes POW. She worked for the SMALLVILLE newspaper. As a result, her main driving impulse was the search for truth liker character. Elson to was motivated by a search for Truth and purpose in an interview with journalists coronel. A friend described her as someone who was constantly searching for something that. That was missing at her life in two thousand, six, perhaps twenty four year old. Allyson believed she would find that missing thing in nexium. Maybe that's why she climbed into the Bronfman's private jet and flew to Albany New York to meet the vanguard. Keith through neary Ellison's initial meeting with the smartest man. The world must have been successful because according to journalists. Rebecca son in Scott Johnson. She was still in Albany surrounded by vanguards inner circle a few weeks later. Allison wasn't the only actress drawn in by nexium fellow Smallville Co Star Kristin. Cruch who why five Oh actress Grace Park and Battle Star. GALACTICA actress Nikki, Klein were all reported members. Actresses might have flocked nexium because of Keith's claimed that he could coach anyone to do anything. Even win an academy award. However, there may have been another reason. They felt drawn to the group. Research suggests that artists. Are Susceptible to charismatic cults Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here throughout the episode, please note. Vanessa is not licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for the show thanks Greg. In an interview with journalist Scott Johnson and Rebecca son. Jodie Wild, a documentary film, Director and cults expert stated that Hollywood is filled with vulnerable artists, many of whom are lost or damaged, so if you get a Predator in the mix whether it's Harvey Weinstein or the leader of Nexium, they're going to go for it. Those leaders might offer other forms of support that they can't get from their agent or manager Alison like all actresses was subject to the many rejections that are part of every acting career, so a desire for a more stable form of acceptance and support might explain why she was so tied to the group did might also explain why her attachment sustained. In the face of some of next seems more regressive teachings more specifically. The beliefs keith is posed in his intensive seminar called Janice. Genus posed as a female empowerment class, but it's subject. Matter was almost comically misogynistic during genetics, intensive 's Keith taught female next Sean's that women were naturally more submissive and prone to monogamous relationships, while men were dominant and genetically predisposed to poly-amorous. According to journalist Dixon Keith also preached that men inherently had more character in fortitude, and women were more prone to flightiness and game-playing the women who signed up for genetics were searching for self empowerment, therefore exposing their current lack of power and self esteem. Their insecurity made them easy marks for Keith's misogynistic indoctrination and allison mack was no different in a two thousand seven blog. The actress wrote I have a tendency to say. I'm stupid. I have become very comfortable. Talking things up to the fact that I don't have a proper education. These negative personal feelings go some way towards explaining why Alison didn't immediately recoil from suggestions that. That women were flighty creatures, lacking in character and fortitude in essence geneticists, philosophy was just reinforcing her own low opinion about herself. However, nexium wasn't all misogynistic seminars about the sexes. Ellison might have also been drawn to the cult for young creative community, and its many recreational events by two thousand six Barbara, Bouchet one of Keith's girlfriends head already created vanguard week or V. Week though she'd invented be week to be a business conference to promote Nexium, it turned into a ten day celebration of Keith's birth during the week next scenes from all over the United States Europe Canada and Mexico descended on the compound in Clifton Park. Filmmaker Mark B sent. A former next-gen likened the proceedings to a summer camp for adults. Where you had all these things you could choose from that. You wanted to do drumming dancing singing, even poetry, all of it was done as a tribute to Keith recognizing him as the creator of a philosophical movement. The veneration of Keith wasn't restricted to V. Week, either it featured in every single facet of Naxi in life, especially amongst the groups female members. In an interview with ABC's Twenty Twenty Mark B sent taste, stated that when Keith played volleyball at the compound which he did. Almost daily rows of women would wait for him on the sidelines, and then the minute there was a break between plays. They would rush him like he was a Rockstar, all of them eager to ask him their deep pressing questions. Their education was why Keith despite claiming to be Selah was able to continue sexual relationships with several of his female students, according to an F.. B. I. Report, he had between fifteen and twenty sexual partners simultaneously in the early two thousands Allison Mack didn't know this. All she saw was the rampant deification of Keith. According to Social Psychologist Robert Zion's human beings are subject to a phenomenon called the exposure affect Zairians found that the more a person is exposed to an object or an idea, the more likely they are to believe it early on analysis introduction to nexium. She saw Keith being celebrated as an enlightened beginning during the week she witnessed followers flocking to him after his volleyball games in line with the exposure effect, it's possible Alison to began to view Keith as a deity, the addition of a Hollywood actress to his coterie of admirers, likely filled Keith with joy, and yet even as he was enjoying the fruits of the kingdom he had built trouble was brewing within his ranks. Barbara Bouchet the woman who invented the week that venerated his birth was beginning to challenge his authority. By the late two thousands forty nine year, old Barbara Bouchet had been a member of Nexium for nine years. She dated Keith Rene for almost the entirety of that time, and after nearly a decade with Nexium, she had grievous concerns about the way the group was being run Barbara wasn't alone in her feelings. She was backed up by eight other women, including fellow upper level next in Susan donors bolstered by their number. The next nine confronted Keith in an article for Frank. Frank Lotto's website art voice. Susan donuts detailed the group's main points. She called key thought for his sexual exploitation of female students for borrowing large amounts of money from members, and finally for his refusal to pay state or federal taxes in response, Keith was simultaneously dismissive and threatening, using needlessly technical jargon. He told the women that they didn't have the data to fully understand the true reality of the situation. They didn't have his of leadership or the experience of preserving. Lives at that one of the women pushed back. She said that Keith didn't have leadership experience. Either since his company consumers byline had fallen apart within a few years, her accurate synopsis of his CBI failure caused a flicker Keith's previously calm demeanor, his voice, soft yolk furious. He told the women that he'd had people killed because of his beliefs and because of their beliefs. It's unclear how the confrontation ended after that. However, we know that ultimately the meetings accomplished nothing Keith. Refuse to admit any wrongdoing so all nine women defected it was the largest exodus of upper level members. Keith had suffered to date. He didn't take it well. When Tony Tallied dumped Keith, he attacked her with a series of retaliatory lawsuits Barbara. Bouchet suffered the same fate. Keith had already squandered the bulk of her savings. In speculative commodity trades, Barbara spent the rest of our coffers. Coffers battling his lawsuits all while knowing that Keith's Bronfman stuffed pockets were practically bottomless, attacking a woman who abandoned him in court likely gave Keith some satisfaction, but it didn't erase. The significance of the nexium nines defection, perhaps the exodus of so many crucial members made Keith fear. He was losing control of his empire. If that was the case, it certainly would explain why. He reacted with such ir when it seemed, he was losing his hold over one of his young female members. Up Next Keith raniry exerts absolute power over one young woman's life. If. You're a fan of puzzles like me. You will absolutely love the fantastic five-star rated mobile puzzle game. Best beans while it's a casual game. 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In two thousand, nine forty nine year, old Keith Ranieri was reeling from the defection of Barbara Bouchet. Susan don't as and seven other upper level NEXANS, their sudden exodus likely made him question whether his hold over his empire was as absolute as he believed perhaps driven by a desire to maintain control Keith reacted with fury when he started losing his hold over twenty six year old next in named Danielle. Flores by two thousand ten, Daniela had been a next for ten years after moving to Albany at age sixteen Keith had started grooming her shortly before she turned eighteen as A. Student with dreams of Harvard shopping excited to learn from the smartest man in the world in the decades since her arrival, however, all Keith taught her was how to clean offices and pleasure him sexually the significant age, difference and unequal power dynamic of their relationship was concerning enough, however, what made kice affair with Daniele? Even more disturbing was the fact that he was also having sex with her sisters. Mariana and Camillo Daniele may have been able to ignore this unnatural setup, however, on one occasion Keith attempted to coerce her, and whatever sisters into having A. A threesome with him. The traumatizing interlude only came to an end when both sisters broke down crying. That wasn't the worst of Keith's behavior at different points. In time he had impregnated all three sisters and insisted they get abortions in the aftermath of Danielle is abortion Keith presented the traumatized girl with a silver lining. He told her the procedure would help her. Lose weight claiming that Olympic athletes often got abortions as part of their training in light of Keith's cruelty. It's no surprise that in two thousand, ten, twenty, old down, yellow looked for affection elsewhere. She developed a crush on fellow nexium member. Ben Myers although Keith was having sex with two of her sisters and countless others. When he found out Daniele was romantically interested in someone else, he lost it according to journalist EJ Dixon Keith became enraged by the supposed ethical breach and sent his other girlfriends including prefect to encourage Daniele to apologize ultimately, however, he decided that an apology was too small price to pay instead. Keith commanded that Daniele remained locked in her small bedroom as a form of penance for the next two years Danielle. Danielle was trapped in the room with only a mattress, upenn and paper, her parents fervent Nexans who had also emigrated to Albany would bring her food, but under orders from Keith, they refused to speak to her in her isolation Daniele grew hopeless and suicidal. She wrote letters to Keith daily, apologizing to him, and begging him to confine meant Keith didn't redone yellows, desperate letters, and he refused to release her from her prison. If he couldn't control the actions of the nexium nine, he could at least dictate the entirety of one girl's life. In addition to imprisoning Daniele Keith, enjoyed other victories in two thousand ten. allegedly. That's the year. He added Allison Mack to his roster of sexual partners. In the four years since she joined the group twenty eight year old allison mack had become a full-fledged nexium evangelist, she preached family members and friends alike regaling them with tons of nexium brilliance. It's unparalleled ethics. She also consistently returned to the well of her fellow artists according to. To Scott Johnson Rebecca sons article for the Hollywood reporter at different points, Alison attempted to recruit seventh heaven, Alum Beverley Mitchell and grammy winning singer Kelly Clarkson however Allison's most disturbing overtures were her attempts to recruit Harry Potter actress Emma Watson in a series of tweets. Alison implored Emma to participate in a unique human development and women's movement. Emma didn't respond to her missives, and that was for the best because by two thousand ten. Involvement with Nexium was already taking a toll on her health, according to a former nexium member who bumped into the actress at a Yoga Studio in two thousand ten, she could tell that Alison had already started a sexual relationship with Keith because the actress had a gray pallor that was common to Keith's women as they all started to get a little sickly. Keith was attracted to on natural skinny women and likely manipulated them into extreme weight loss. As a result, the former member stated that his girls looked scary. They all dropped. Wait their heads getting too big for their bodies, so they became bobbleheads yet despite the fact that Keith was bad for her twenty nine year old Alison committed to the group further when her hit show, Smallville came to an end after ten seasons. With the role of Clark Kent's closest confidante behind her ellison decided to audition for that same position and Keith Ranieri's life to that end. The actress bought a house in Albany and transplanted her life. They're committing herself to furthering the movement full-time. Keith might have read Allison's move as a sign. He wasn't losing his grip on his followers. He had done yellow in chains at a Hollywood actress, warming his bed, his control over his kingdom was unshakable, but keeps feelings of certainty soon shattered against a series of punishing events. I came the articles in November of two thousand ten Vanity Fair published a piece, called the heiresses and the cult in journalists Susannah Andrews not only dubbed Nexium occult. She also detailed the fact that by two thousand ten Keith had blown one hundred fifty million dollars of the Bronfman's fortune. That same year New York, post journalist John. Mackintosh reported on the bizarre claims Keith made during his meeting with the nexium nine. She specifically focused on his assertion that he'd had people killed, Keith second wave of attacks came from his ex girlfriend Tony Tally in two thousand eleven. She filed a lawsuit against him, accusing him of repeatedly raping her during their nine year relationship. To tell these claims were seemingly bolstered, but in two thousand twelve, The Times, union's incisive piece in binary shadows dropped in the article journalist James Emo, dotto and Jennifer Gish detailed years of statutory rape allegations from Keith's underage victims, despite this deluge of bad press and lawsuits, Keith was able to keep the fallout from penetrating his Clifton. Park fortress, according to Tony. Tallies book the program Nexans, wrote all. All of it off as a coordinated media vendetta, demonizing the press is a common tactic cult leader us. However, the cops played right into keats hands. They reinforced his narrative by not promptly pressing any charges, their hands were tied in many cases. The statute of limitations had elapsed while Keith had managed to contain the fallout from without he never anticipated the massive blow. He would soon suffer from within. Kristen KIEF was one of Keith's earliest acolytes in addition unbeknownst to most nexans. Kristen was the mother of Keith Son Gaylon. Since Keith was claiming to be celebrate the to hit galeone's paternity by pretending. He was the adopted son of an entirely different woman, however, in two thousand fourteen, Kristen dropped the pretense when she fled Clifton Park with her child in tow, according to Times Union journalist James Emo dotto. Kristen ran because she was concerned about her son's welfare in an email. Scared mother allegedly wrote Keith was experimenting on Gaylon. I had to get him away. Kristen wasn't specific about what form Keith's experimentation took. However, she might have been referring to his insistence that gala. Rainbow Cultural Gardens or are CG. C. CG was a childhood development program Keith created shortly after gallons birth all enroll children were spoken to in five different languages by five different nannies. This might have been the experimentation. Kristen was talking about. However, she may have also been hinting at something far more sinister. According to the program a year before Christie's escape, investigative journalist Chat Harden received a letter from a woman given the pseudonym Inez like Daniela Inez was for Mexico unlike the former student. However, she was heavily involved in. Keith's took initiative. Rainbow Cultural Gardens in the email you Nez sent. She stated that she wanted out of nexium. She was beginning to suspect the Keith created our cg not to teach children how to speak different languages, but rather to groom. Groom them into having sex with adults in alleged that Keith openly claimed that he wanted to use the school to teach children. That sex was beautiful and should be practiced openly. We can't say for sure. Whether Kristen was privy to claims of such tenor from Keith, but if she was, it certainly would explain why she left him so suddenly taking their son with her. Kristen's departure might have also been motivated by her fears for her own life. A week after leaving, Keith Kristen reached out to nexium ninety. Factor Barbara Bouchet journalist Sarah. Berman reported that Kristen. Told Boucher that she was in hiding with her son. She was afraid for her life. Because of the things she'd seen Keith. Do the worst of which was his attempt to pull off what she termed a Mexican plot in this gambit. Kristen claim that Keith bribed judge in Mexico. To issue an indictment against Barbara Tony and Susan donors. They were going to be lured south of the border, and once they got their Keith's upper level, Mexican contacts were going to put them in prison. When a Shock Barbara asked how serious keith was! Kristen responded that the plot had been three years in the making more chilling. Kristen stated that she'd long realized that Keith was not trying to succeed. He was trying to enslave as we covered last week Keith exhibited several traits consistent with a diagnosis of psychopathy in accordance with psychologist Robert Hare's checklist Keith showed signs of manipulative nece, sexual promiscuity, pathological, lying and a lack of empathy, behavioral analysis agents at the FBI identified one more characteristic endemic among psychopaths, namely their need to maintain absolute control over others at all costs given this desire Christians, defection might have been the most painful one keith at suffered yet. been with him, since almost the very beginning, thus her departure would've acted as the final blow shattering any illusions, he held about being in control. The first time Keith was reeling from a loss of control. He reacted by confining Daniela to a tiny room with Kristen's defection. Keith would go even further than that. It was no longer enough for him to control one young woman to restore his sense of order, and his hold over his empire Keith decided to enslave scores of women. Up Next Keith crafts a secret sorority to enslave his female members. High listeners, it's Vanessa. We all know that navigating young adulthood can be a wild ride for social. Media Star, Addison Ray. It's something she couldn't do without her. Mom Sheri Nicole in their entertaining new podcast original series. Mom knows best. Addison goes to her mom for advice on all things growing up one here more. Here's Addison and Sherry to fill you in. Hey I'm addison ray and her mom Sherry and every Monday on our new show. Mom knows best. We're going to get real about all the ups. And all the downs of growing up finding love and going viral, we have a bunch of topics signed up like living with your parents dating during a pandemic, and so much more, and since I know best y'all know have some advice to share. Okay, but do you really know best is the name of the show all right well I think we can let them be. The judge of that. New episodes of mom knows best every Monday exclusively on spotify so follow, and you can listen for free. Now back to the story. By two thousand, fourteen, fifty four year old Keith Raniry had weathered a slew of rapid fire attacks on his credibility I. There were the critical articles that branded him as a cult leader and sexual predator. Then his ex girlfriend Tony. Tally sued him for raping her during their eight year relationship. However, it was Christian Kief. His most loyal subjects that dealt keith the most grievous blow. She left him taking his son with her. But much worse than that. Kristen forced Keith to realize that his hold over nexium membership wasn't absolute, and that was unacceptable Keith taught students that he could control technology and the weather. How would it look if he couldn't even keep his own house in order? In two thousand, fifteen, fifty five year old Keith find the solution to the mutiny in his ranks, he decided to create a secret society of female slaves. He called the group Dos. Dos stood for Domino's obsequious sorority them Latin which they reportedly translated as master over the slave women like both consumers, line and nexium. Keith crafted the group to have a pyramid structure. However, DOS didn't sell discount consumer products like CBI nor self improvement classes like nexium. In fact, joining the group was completely free, but that didn't mean that there wasn't a price to pay. In order to gain access to the secret society next in women were forced into sexual slavery. However Keith knew that he couldn't enslave is female members outright instead he needed someone to put a glossy veneer on his heart's darkest desires in the past Keith would have likely turned to bubbly Pam K. Fritz to act as Dawson's unthreatening face as a member of Keith's original three woman Harem Pam was the cult leaders main Capo procuring him beautiful women to sleep with on demand, however, in two thousand fifteen. Pam was dying of cancer so Keith turn to Allison Mack instead. By two thousand, fifteen, thirty three year old Allyson was more numbered of Keith than ever. The depth of her feelings were evident when she sang Donny Hathaway I. Love You more than you'll ever know. At fifty-six birthday celebration with tears in her eyes, the emaciated actress crooned. I'm only flesh and blood, but I can be anything that you demand. Sentiments of that nature were also conveyed in an email. Allison sent to Keith according to journalist Ej. Dixon in the missive, Alison explained how grateful she was to be. Deepen Keith's thrall. How disappointing her own strides towards self empowerment had been, and how nothing made her feel so powerful has to be made by him to feel powerless in other words. Allison and Keith were perfectly matched. He wanted power, and she longed to be powerless. Unfortunately, controlling one willing woman wasn't enough to satisfy Keith desires to gain access to the scores of women. He coveted he convinced allison to be one of DOSES FIRST LINE SLAVES In addition to Allison Keith directly recruited seven other slaves, including prefect dot Lauren Saltzman these first line. Slaves were unique because they knew that Keith was their master, he convinced them that being enslaved to him would help them in turn become masters of their own lives once they bought into this paradox Keith encouraged them to recruit slaves of their own bus, becoming masters in their own right. According to the program unlike the women directly recruited by Keith the second line slaves had no idea about his role in the group they joined under the false pretense. The DOS was an exclusively female organization. Nothing could be further from the truth as the sole man atop the whole sado-masochistic Pyramid Keith was the grand master. And he had big plans for Dos according to Vice Journalist Sarah. Berman Keith, told Lauren that he envisioned the sorority amassing thousands of members to that end. He told her to work towards recruiting one hundred slaves. According to the program, the recruitment process went like this. Alison Lauren or one or the other first line. Slaves would approach a nexium member and asked them if they want it to be part of a secret society of bad ass, women who were dedicated to the empowerment of other women. This pitch was seductive, because it was always delivered by an upper level next-gen, wanting to be considered one of the elite. The recruit usually said yes. It was at that point that they were asked to provide collateral a sort of insurance policy. That would make sure. They kept the group a secret journalist EJ Dixon wrote that collateral often took the form of sexually explicit material, such as videos of recruit masturbating for postmarked false confessions that relatives or loved ones had sexually abused them. The implicit threat was that. If the women told anyone about DOS, their collateral would be released unbeknownst to the women. Even if they did keep the secret there. Incriminating items were usually shared with Keith. Once they provided material for their own future blackmail. Their recruit was officially a slave. This designation came with a whole new set of rules. First slaves had to carry out their master's commands. No matter what in order to prove this allegiance, they participated in readiness drills. This meant that slaves had responded texts from their masters within sixty seconds, no matter what our, even if it was the middle of the night, if they failed, they had to submit to punishment, recrimination took many forms, sometimes underperforming slaves were forced to take cold showers or made to stand barefoot in the snow other times they were puzzled or whipped journalist Colin Moynihan reported that on one occasion Keith even called in during a beating to tell. Tell the women to make sure that they snap their wrists in a particular way to inflict maximum pain on the slave, in addition to occasionally taking beatings, slaves were also required to meet three times a week with their masters at the start of these sessions both slave and female master alike were required to pose for a naked family photo in these pictures Keith insisted that women's legs be widely spread, and their vaginas prominently angled towards the camera as though this weren't intrusive. Enough slaves also had to follow a set of rules that dictated specifics about their personal appearance. Some slaves were required to adhere to a punishing five hundred calorie a day diet. They also were under strict orders not to groom their pubic care, lastly had to commit to remaining celebrate. They weren't even allowed to masturbate. The purpose of this particular set of rules was twofold I did ensure that the slaves fit Keith Sexual Preference for emaciated women who didn't lacks secondly it kept all their sexual energies in tight reserve, however, as mentioned initially, none of the second line. Slaves had any idea about Keith's involvement. They were told that they were doing all of it. The cold showers, the graphic pictures, the restrictive diets for their own empowerment. While it's difficult to understand how they bought into this justification. Their compliance was likely to societal messaging. We've all been subject to concepts like no pain. No gain you have to break a couple of eggs to make an Omelet. Sure getting paddled hurt, but if it made a person mentally tough enough to pursue the things they wanted wasn't worth it. In that same vein, a five hundred calorie diet was punishing, but at taught a person disciplined and delayed. Gratification weren't those good lessons to learn. It was all in the name of becoming a bad ass like they've been promised this second thing that might have made doses. Extreme path to empowerment seem acceptable was the larger self-improvement climate at the time in the two thousand ten's wellness enthusiasts were stuffing jade eggs into their vaginas. Silicon Valley Titans were injecting the. The blood of the young into their veins in light of that taking a cold shower and submitting to a paddling might not have seemed so strange, however like the frog in the pot of water once the second line, slaves had accepted Dasa's approach was a little off the wall, but temperature was turned up eventually one of the first line slaves like allison mack would give a second liner. The assignment also known as the order to Seduce Keith Ranieri. It was this task that upper level next year Monica Duran assigned to her slave, sylvie, according to journalist Amanda Arnold to fulfill her assignment. Sylvie was at first only required to send Keith explicit pictures and text messages eventually, however, she was subjected to physical sexual encounters. Arnold reported that in one incident. Keith performed oral sex on Sylvie after the encounter. He told her that he was her grandmaster sylvie. Later stated that at the time she felt so much. Much shame she felt everything was just lies and secrets and darkness. If Keith was aware of Sylvia's despair, it didn't bother him. Her Experience Mirrored House. Several of kice interludes with a slaves transpired once they were given the assignment by their masters. They'd proposition him sexually then Keith would either go down on them or have sex with them. However, intercourse wasn't always possible as Keith neared his sixties. Erectile dysfunction became a frequent problem according to journalists Rebecca Son. Son and Scott Johnson. A former next said that if Keith had difficulty getting an erection, which was often, he blamed it on her weight. Despite Kate's callous treatment, the members of DOS couldn't just leave the group. They were trapped there. Bondage was threefold first as longtime nexans, many of them had been indoctrinated by the precepts of genus to view men as being inherently poly-amorous, while women were monogamous, so in essence they'd been groomed to somewhat accept the setup. Setup of several women sleeping with one man. Secondly, Keith was revered as a deity within the group, so refusing his advances might not have seemed like an option. Lastly, members of DOS feared that if they did try to leave, their incriminating collateral would be released out into the world. How ever if the combination of this threat and their religious indoctrination didn't prove deterrent enough Keith's most devoted slave, allison mack was always there to bring disobedient members to heal. According to Scott Johnson and Rebecca sons reporting to analysis, slaves said the actress was incredibly intimidating, cruel and punitive when they balked at having with Keith. Allison allegedly screamed at them. You made a lifetime vow. Then she berated them and told them they were worth nothing that they were weak and couldn't uphold their word. She also told them that if they refused her orders dated, other men left the group or fused sex with Keith Day would be destroyed, but while at and may have seemed unfeeling on. On the outside internally, she was breaking down. Johnson, and son reported that around this time the actress panda veritable cry for help on her blog, writing cold sweats. Constantly, the anxiety of being caught makes my heart through from like a hummingbird someday I will be discovered I will be found out and yet ellison spheres is didn't prevent her. From engaging in the worst violation Dawson inflicted on its members on the contrary acting on Keith's orders Alison, insisted that slaves performed one more act of loyalty physical branding. When they screamed in agony over the hot cauterize ING pen, searing their skin, Alison instructed them to feel the pain and think of their master. Perhaps during these ceremonies, allison was doing the same in lieu of smelling the singed flesh. Maybe she cast her mind to Keith as for fifty five year old, Keith, his thoughts as always we're on himself. He was smart enough never to attend the branding ceremonies. However, he received pictures of his handiwork, and the site likely filled him with joy. After, all the brands were permanent proof that he still had control over his empire. He was the grand master. However, none of it would have been possible without his most loyal slave, and for that. Keith sought to reward alison. UNBEKNOWNST to the women, getting branded the symbol, being burned into their flesh, was a combination of the letters, A. Am and Kr Allison Mack and Keith Ranieri there are linked initials forever spelled out in blood. The brands might have been absolute, but Keith's Pyramid of Sado masochism was not already cracks. Doubt were beginning to form in the women who made up its foundation, and soon the whole thing would come crumbling down. Thanks again for tuning into colts, we'll be back Thursday with the final episode of our four part special will cover how news about nexium hit the tabloids leading to Keith's imprisonment for more information on Keith Rainier amongst the many sources we used. We found the program inside the mind of Keith. Ranieri by Tony Tally with Chet Hardin extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes. Episodes of cults and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, not only spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast. Originals liked cults for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream cults on spotify just opened the APP type cults in the search bar will see you next time. Colts was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios. 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Trash Pandas  Episode 22

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Trash Pandas Episode 22

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. visit www dot pastor, troy dot com before information. Hey what's up? What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of trash pandas. I'm one of your amazing hosts. Lauren and this is my beautiful co-host Lynn there and we are back with. Like the second part of HBO's The vow and finally we have documentary Dave. Of. Anything with electric blue automatically sounds like a great time in a world. Really Boring sex colts. It's like we we just agree because I did I'd like I just I wasn't feeling that last week and there was so much chaos. But like can we just agree that this was probably like four episodes too long platelets like let's let's just. Saying that I couldn't believe when you sent me that article that there was going to be a second season I was like about why? What? More. Is there. Was So who is it I'm the dumb ass that billy whatever his name is that was behind the fire festival and all that cash jail. So apparently he's now in solitary confinement if you miss that memo memo because he was recording a podcast Over his phone calls allegedly to his lawyers but to someone who is making this a podcast because he wanted to tell quote unquote his side of the story. Now, my question here is skippy. You were paid by Hulu to be a part of their job because there were dueling documentaries which Hulu Netflix Netflix would not pay him Hulu did. So you were paid by Hulu to tell your side of the story so. I'll wait I'm sorry I I. I just realized I was surprised I just know I just I just realized that I was I was surprised that someone convicted of fraud was convict committing fraud again i. I just I I love when I answer my questions that I love with. Who that's. Like on the last episode of Vows Season One. Keith areas like starts talking to somebody from jail. So what I can Infer is that season two is going to be some of his bullshit from jail. Talia Ya. His side of the story always have to have their side. I mean he's a classic nerd? Like. Don't be a victim Oh my God. So that was the that was the breaking news that hit. This week is he was sentenced to what one hundred hundred years. which is amazing. I like I do as I was talking with a couple of other people and I'm like you know there is a part of me that really regrets that I'm a decent human being and I don't have the capacity to actually start a cult. because. It seems like it's a really fun ride while it lasts like if you're. If. You're the guy like I feel I feel like David Koresh did got laid a lot. You know there's that you know so but but waco ended in fire and death. So you got to it's you take the good with the bat. Look at the rest of Israel is going to be in a jail cell like I would. Now I see that ride's not worth it for me. No not worth it for anybody but like a lot of people will go through with it because they're like I don't think I'll ever get call right and you know and he obviously thought that he wasn't going absolutely and he didn't think. He legitimately was just like I'm not doing anything wrong even if like you sit there and go like traveling women as fucking wrong, he's just like. Yeah like only in certain capacities. Like not what I was doing because this is all consensual and. Always refer to that the Uber Defense at one of the things I realized very quickly. is that Uber Pimps use the exact same defense strategy in court. They don't actually do anything wrong They just put two consenting adults together take a little cut off the top, and then whatever happens between those two consenting adults is up to them. Whatever It doesn't matter if you're murdered or anything or what. So insane about his the hundred and twenty years is that I mean there are people lake. Chris Chris Watts. That wasn't even honored and twenty and I'm not like I. Mean it's so hard to compare there's a million people but later early like this guy annihilated entire family and yeah, you didn't get a sentence first of all I'm I'm not trying to so I don't know if it's like sorry to cut you don't not I'm like is it so that he can't legally maneuver his way out in any way shape or form lake so I I think part of it when it comes to cases like this is. Reality is like with Watt you only had a certain number of charges that he could get hit with and and I mean and it's it technically speaking he is serving life with, and that's the difference is he's serving life with like an believe if I recall correctly, it is a natural life clause like so like you can still get parole from. Natural. Life do not you're you're there until you`re On so I think. So like part of this and you and you do see this a lot of cases and this has been one of the things that people have. Had, a problem with in in certain cases because you see charged hacking where they basically throw as much shit at you as humanly possible because you never know what a jury is GonNa do. and. So you know kind of like you know the whole thing about. You know the the police officers I in in the the George Floyd situation where you know there's a reason why they're not charging them with first degree murder because they know historically speaking juries will not convict on a first degree murder charge in those situations second but they are stacking second degree manslaughter reckless endangerment A. Debate of conduct on all that stuff. So they they are doing what they can. Knowing how Juries Act and react to things so In the George Floyd case, it's heart we're way off but like not really was. What wasn't that the What was his name show them? What he remember you can't spell chauvinistic without show read. Recently drop the second degree murder. Because they were going to pursue the first they actually the biggest development in that case I believe is granted him bail. And and then allowed him to leave the state as a condition of his bail because of his concerns about security. Well, Hey, here's an idea. Don't kill anybody. If, you don't kill anybody. You don't kill somebody that sparks a national movement. It's like the flip side of that is the especially. In a political pressures but lakes to speaking of political pressures the seventeen year. Old Kid. That went to Kenosha and shot and killed two people and injured one. Just got. It was a you know he ran and I didn't I didn't realize it was that close his hometown was only ten miles across the border and lived right there. So the I didn't realize it was like I knew I, knew he had crossed the border. And, we went to Kenosha all that I mean like he was literally ten miles away. And there was Wisconsin. Oct wants to extradite him back to. Wisconsin for his trial and of course, he was fighting it. Moore's lawyer was fighting it and so. I. I absolutely love when judges are just like judged. No like when when judges get kind of judge Judy Ish and they're and they're just like are you kidding me like like like 'cause like his lawyer was trying to say, Oh, well, it wasn't you know filed properly defacto fishy video like me when I know Babylon people well, you know the the TCP IP stack the firewall, and the it was a routing table issue with the BGP better it just hoping that somebody stops listening and it just agree with you no matter what I feel like. But if you're a lawyer talking to a judge, you should know that's not gonNa work. So his extradition got approved do to go from Illinois Back For the trial and so yeah waiting waiting see that's the one I'm waiting to see how that plays out because he is facing first degree charges well. That's great because he should thankfully because that was definitely premeditated in every sense of the word but also did you just read the news about one of the guys that was planning to Kidnap Governor WIT WHITMER AND Wants to be released only because he has diabetes and worried about. I wait. Of you being concerned about Cova De. I loved I loved the defense that the throwing out for and I might even be the same guy. That they were they were just talking like it was like it's like the plot was so absurd it was never going to happen. There's no way they were ever going to actually try to. Do Video. Taping them like driving down a track and then shooting at something randomly. They were as I love to call them. They were absolutely meal team six. and. And and they were a little branch. Davidians having their in celebrations. and. That's that's the best part is they have all of these videos and all like, and that's that's the beauty of it is I don't understand there's been so many documentaries and so many of these cases about these militia groups and or like wake like back to David Craig where there's there's Always someone on the inside there's always there's always an there's always an FBI informant there where Kat for. Well. Yeah. If they were, they were criminal masterminds they would be in a frigging militia Ocean's eleven. Brad Pitt and. They're more. They're more. Br. Oceans. thereby. Episode. It's but yeah, I mean it's just it makes me and literally I love that the defense they're coming up with is that basically they're saying they were too stupid to actually have carried through anything they were planning I. Love. I love that that's that's a phenomenal defense I'm I'm too dumb to actually carried out the crime. Could I was planning to? Love that that's actually like I'm I'm kind of like. Look. I do like I do I want to judge I. I want that Defense to get before a judge and the judge to go to just like kind of like laughing at you know what? That's absolutely brilliant and and I believe and I believe you are super. But the case is still moving. I would love for that to happen but I would love for them. Just be like you are too stupid I agree with you but you try and trying is what you're right. You're not. You're not charged with kidnapping charged with. plotting. Tenting to kidnaps someone. Will like. Manure her family through like psychological terror right like. I. Do I love and I am sorry I know we've completely sidetracked off the vow but I love that their plan was basically to kidnap her from her house and and and take her to Wisconsin. Knows somebody like I. Don't know him personally. I've met him personally. But I know somebody let's on my facebook and he is like a lawyer and he is like Super Anti. Whitmer and he is constantly trying to like get people off for like stupid bullshit. Okay and he is he was like going to her house with like. With like a weed whacker when when they weren't allowed to like have. Exactly he went to her house on the we'd Wagner like Oh. I'm weed whacking the front of Your House I'm like you're doing her labor anything. She's having a great time right now. Thank you. Don't have to worry about my lawn service. There were other people there with. Guns and Shit, and I'm sitting there going like, okay. She has like children and stuff and like how scary is that for them to be like there's somebody outside with fucking guys I'm not GonNa lie I really I really and I tried to pull this together but I did not have enough time or actually because I was too dumb to actually pull this off But what I really wanted to do was when they were doing the whole protest where they brought in like Barbara chairs and set them up outside the Capitol Building Lansing and they were cutting people's Air I really wanted like a bunch of friends with like pickup trucks to come out and bring Lake Aqua, net and sprayed. Leaf blowers. And I wanted to below the hair back on them and have it stick like make them all and make them all look like like that was. Like that would've been. Amazing like that. Yeah. Totally. Hair all. That would like that with Alexey that that's the thing that's my level of being a criminal mastermind like I I wanNA. Make you all look like like I've never I know cosmetologists gist that straight up like they do everything they're supposed to do they do contract tracing where they're fucking masks like how hard is it? Just you can still do your job. It's okay. Do that like why? Why is this like some big thing where? We herons and wanted to hear I know and we couldn't do. Only wait a couple of months like it's really not that big of a deal y'all first of all IAGO way longer than you should trim or when. I'm not. GonNa lie there's a reason why I'm not on camera right now I'm starting I'm starting to get back to like my one thousand nine, hundred, seventy s battle star. GALACTICA starbuck here. And I'm not. I'm not a big fan and it's and it's just because I just I keep forgetting. I it's fine. places are open. You can go if you wanted to. You know what I mean like it's not that big of a deal, but it's like these people are going crazy about like I just WanNa get my hair which and I'm like Holy Shit Dude. That and like and that's the thing like I do I get it. I've I've actually stopped arguing with a lot of people like I've gotten to the point in my life where. I just I don't have the energy to try to either a argue or educate and I just don't especially with especially now because I'm sorry like if we're almost eight months into this and you don't get the this is real again I, do I get quarantine fatigue I get. There is nobody who wishes that I could go around the key like we could wrap the show and we I could walk. We'd walk around the corner and go to temple bar and there'd be a hundred and fifty people on the dancefloor and we'd all be thrown our arms around each other and trading shots and being stupid and you nobody nobody nobody wants that more than me. But that's not the world, but it's not right. That's not where we are. And so it kind of gets into. I'm sorry nexium what. But now, this like people keep trying to put in place these short term stopgap solutions trying to get quote unquote back to normal when that that? No longer exists. I think I forget who the comedian was. There's a great comic that had a whole schtick about when you get divorced and the women's like, well, I need X. amount of dollars to maintain the lifestyle to which I was accustomed to music. Well, I was a custom to get laid twice a week like is, does that GONNA stay? So. But I mean it's it but you know that's that's not your life anymore and that just is what it is and and and that's that's the hard. So it again. But so now you have this cult leader jail who hopefully is learning that life is not what it was. Because, and that's the thing and I do I always wonder like I. I've always wondered because there's been very few documentaries like I've always wondered how like Manson did in prison and how like how these cult leaders really like when they're outside of that cult of personality. How do they fare on the and honestly like that may be the best part of a part two is getting the see like him getting his ass beat on a daily basis. Episodes of. SPF pay you ever watched in mind hunter Not. Flex say do like a an interview with man's and he is just as. I don't want to say like charming, but just says like. Oh, he has a gravity absolutely does and it's like. The FBI investigators were like he I get. Think. Also, and that's that's one of the that's the scary things like people make those comparisons. But like like with with trump and like like Manson Manson never killed anybody. He he never her technically speaking never did anything. Same thing it's like it's this idea that he's like Weli didn't do anything well, he. Remember this this is what happens in. This is a very good parallel. Today's World Hitler is what happened here was an art teacher. So when you piss off teachers bad things can happen. I believe that I've seen this morning and I do not want to make sure. that. Intimidating you're so intimidating right now I'm in Timothy. I love. Okay. So before we dive in one quick thing just reminded everybody dude get your ass out and vote. Vote votes already. Paul how Your chest. I was I was noticing the powerful message that was there. No, but it's like like I did I turn my ballot in I brought mine and this clerk gone gone I love that there was a staff came out today that said the early voting in Texas already exceeds the total number of ballots cast in the last week. Like seventy nine million people have voted already and I just wanted to say really quick I actually I actually volunteered to go and collect. Data and and send it back and everything. So I'm actually going to be at the polls in Ferndale an Farmington. To. Collect some data and send it to them and everything as soon as everything's done and I am so happy and so excited for how many young people are going out and voting right now, and if you are undecided on whether or not, you want to vote, please just do it. I don't care who you're running oracle sand I don't care. I don't come I do care. I do that's what I'm saying is I do care who vote for and I and I am judging you. Care more that you get your voice out they just want you to go. That's what I really care about and I'm excited to see that there are so many people out there that are going out and voting right now it's super important. So Yes young people please go please go have you watched So I guess what it it's another documentary Have you watched whose vote counts on Netflix? So it's it's it's a quick watch. I highly recommend it. It's only about twenty, four, twenty, five minutes long. I recall correctly and it has like a Oh cnn it has Arnold Schwarzenegger Ed has and it's phenomenal literally. The history in twenty five minutes of everything that rich white landowning males have done to try to keep everybody else from voting everything from poll tax at least like like. I was talking to this with an earlier show couple days ago like originally, you just had to be a landowner and then they realized that guys were dying and leaving property their wives. And and and women to vote and they were like, okay. Well, we can't have that. So they they. So then it was you had to be. You know to be a male landowner and then and then it was okay well, you had to have you had overtaken I it was money and then they realized that there were some guys out there that liked their black lives and like they're black whatever and we're leaving them money and so black women were showing up to vote and had money and and so then they had to change that rule and and. So and it's weird because you think about the fact and this really dives into this This is a federal election. So it is. It is something that should be pretty much universal across the entire country, but it isn't like every state has their own rules like so there are in the Pacific northwest. There's like three states Pacific northwest primarily where you automatically in the matinee if you are registered to vote, you automatically get an absentee ballot like it just happens places like Michigan and I think it's eight other states you have to request one. and. Then you can do it places like to, and this is the this is the really interesting thing about Texas to me with how much they've had in Texas technically speaking you have to a valid reason why you cannot go vote on election day in order to even requested that a ballot. So I mean, it's it's weird like how? The things like if you're a felon, can you vote depends on what state you live in? And that's like one of the really cool stories in there is a guy AH formerly convicted felon. Who Basically led the drive to get that overturned in Florida and the governor that vetoed it literally won the election by fewer votes than the number of felons that would have been allowed to vote. Had He not vetoed it? So then I think it was the Senate one of the legislatures then overrode his veto and so the next election they were able to vote and he was gone. So I mean. It's it's but it is. It is a fast like I said it's only twenty four, twenty five minutes long and it is just a fascinating look at. Either way at the end of the day, it's important to vote regardless of who you're voting. Just, vote I was looking at just a little bit of data that's already coming in and they're already which I was shocked at us like taxes looking like a swing right now. Like it might go. So you I mean that's honestly not a huge surprise you to look at. The Austin's the so rural Texas and city. Texas are two totally different. You know it's it's almost like like Michigan. Where do you live Dave mccomb county There there are political demographic there. Com County. There are there are four Trump signs in my little double called. Zach. Neighborhood that makes me very uncomfortable but SALITA, and that's that's the thing is you know you look at you know Oakland County and Detroit and that kind of stuff versus the mccomb counties or some of the further north counties. That's that's why. And here's egg and for the love of God here's the other thing. Folks do not get complacent I don't give a shit. How many polls come out that say, Biden's got a thirty point lead eighty point I don't I do not give a shit. Get your. Out, and vote even here's the thing you can walk into a city clerk's office right now. Ask for a ballot, check your ID that make sure matches up. You'RE GONNA, go and go ahead. You can vote today you do not have to wait for and that's and I think that's the thing is you want wants you realize like first off? Why the hell the first Tuesday in November like whether it's Shitty in vast majority of the country at the first duty. November It's a work day like why why isn't it a holiday? So and I think that's one of the great andrew seeing as with. I mean possibly one of the good side effects of Covid and the quarantine that we've been in is as people have you know my hey, you remove my barrier devoting and let me vote remotely in vote by mail and vote early and all of a sudden the numbers are going through the roof what a novel concept. What is happening and I? Feel like just add onto like one of the. Positive side of experts they're not a lot of donald trump but lake waking people the Fuck Blake like. We need. It's not just I mean Donald Trump. Yes. But like the judge is so that's the thing that this has been a this has been an awakening elections have consequences. Donald Trump. Yeah Donald Trump has appointed. Three. Supreme Court justices. and not to mention like all of the other like. All, the other federal appointments that have happened everything else. I mean it's terrifying. So and that's that's why I've. I've probably the only like arguments that I truly still get into anymore because I just I've stopped arguing that. But. Whenever I see a post that's like well without mentioning trump why are you voting for Biden I like I will immediately dive in on that and just say look that is a bullshit argument because hating and loading everything that someone stands for is a perfectly valid reason to vote against them. there. Why people would vote for trump is they could hey. Everything Hillary route. So it's just it's not fair for you to say that you one person can do at not another like everyone has the right to make a decision. and. You should be able to go and and vote for whoever you want to vote for. So just fucking do it I. Don't I don't care who you're voting for I. Just fucking I mean we. We all care. But at the same time, it's important for everyone to go vote because the reality is if you talk. To Bench. UTAH. I literally will not have. No and and I will I will I will end the dislike I the other conversation, I always dive into his with the third party voters Lidove vote shaming than at. No. So here's the deal There were two teams that were in the NBA finals If, you were rooting for a not one of those two teams it you did matter. Did. Teams. That's always going to happen if you want an end but I always but I'm always encouraging about look here's the deal if you truly believe that the because and I do the two party system is. It's horrible. So then Stop, talking about this only every four years and you should be making those third party candidates have to come from. Local actions they have you have. You have to have them gain strength all the way up through are serious about third party candidates and you want a true viable third party option get out there do the groundwork make it happen in local elections that's where it begins a grass roots. Its grassroots effort it's not gonNA happen with just. You know. Putting in your vote last minute for who was it in the land I don't even remember the last green. Party and I was like fucking kidding me Steinberg or something like that live whatever. anyways. So. Let's talk about love. Let's go. Okay. So we left off at the end of episode four or Episode Five and We're at a point where Sarah Has Sarah Edmonson. One of those key players has affected and sh-. They are basically doing everything they can to try to get her in trouble. For. Leaving the group they want they sent her things for like she's supposed to be She's should be arrested in Vancouver for theft and a bunch of other things, and we kind of find out that one of axioms One of their things just like scientology is when you leave the group, they basically harass you laughed an fucking right and. Mostly with lawsuits and and legalese, and they try to scare you into submission. suppressive persons. The is like a scientology term that like I mean I don't know if that's like obviously that's not where that came from but I'm just saying like. From all the years I've spent Was I spit on You From all the years. I've spent actual Li like. mean. She goes Kovin right up like. Bitch the all day night. So all the years that I've spent actually protesting scientology and going to scientology. Churches and trying to tell people fucking. Don't do it. It's not from being like I just don't like any other type of religion. It's that this is a cult and I know it's a call. Most definitely anywhere else in the world, there's a guy that I've been friends with for A. Long Time and all sudden he started posting like. On Hubbard. and. And I was like they got a mosaic dude like we we we need to talk. They got him. He's taken. And We and and it's funny. We had this whole and we got into this really heated exchange on his wall and he deleted everything. And then he hit me up with a message news they do look I respect your way too much for that to keep going on like here's the deal he's like it's He's I get it his I totally know where you're coming from I see it for what it is. He's like for me called. So any he's like for me it's. Basically psychology. But called but he's but I don't. He's like I'm not buying into the church, shed his it. I'm not going to the stupid meetings. He's like it's literally like a group of people that I hang out and talk with and I said, okay, that's fine. That's how they get. fucking call. So quick. So that's the thing is like when everyone's doing the shit like I'm like this is would just using the words defective or suppressive. It's like these are things that they use against you to be like. Everyone else that's also part of this called. Be Aware that this person is suppressive defected from a don't listen to don't listen to them. When they were off all contact you I mean it's it's guests lady. I mean, that's So. Basically. That's what they start doing the Sarah. Edmonson and there's the his woman in the group. Her name is kristen key be and she's like their legal liaison and they like show video of her from two thousand seven and basically she's saying like Anybody who speaks out against nexium anybody WHO's speaks L. against what we're trying to do like we're only in trying to do good. So you're going to come after you hard. We are going to score she. Uses words like we're going to scorch the earth. Like coming after you right like if you speak out against US grew. So. FAST FORWARD TO Password, to agree that was one of several women that were like in this cohort that lived with Keith Ranieri. Legal Liaison. Yeah That's what wrong. Well I. so Chris then was like living with Catherine airy and she was like one of several women sleeping with him and again. Other people. If you. Not that bad. You know other than you know should he behavior and sexual? The so She gets pregnant. And she ends up. Like running. and was up and leaving the group. So the same woman who saying we're GONNA scorched earth for Nexium ends up leaving. they show this really weird video of her and she's like on her laptop and she's like working on something in Crete and key the like in the background over her shoulder he's like. Some things in your body are GonNa Change you will have different sensations in your body and that's okay and you can feel these different sensations and you can do these different things and she looks at him and shaped like. Are you, GonNa let me get back to my work like you could just tell at that time. It was like I am going to fuck yet words like I'm done like I am running. I'm having sensations in my body of I'm GonNa Punch you in the face. and. So it's like there's really weird interaction that they have and she ends up. She ends up leaving a leaving the group and just going like M., i. a. and then we hear how Clare Bronfman? and she is basically she's the one of the two sisters. Clarence are bronze seagram of Seagram's, and they are the ones financing nexium, and so they are paying for all this litigation that is constantly happening in. In nexium against their enemies. So they basically have an endless fun to just go after people and dress ruin their lives. I mean people have historically bought a lot of Ginger Ale. But. It's there's there's a reason why they have all this no. Yeah. Absolutely, right it's true. Serums has a lot of different stuff. But I remember like the old seagram's golden wine cooler like like I remember those commercials and I'm like. I gave I can coolers they have line. I've given money to these bitches the. then. Places that have given them a Fox. And now I now. I. Feel Bad like I. Look I. I started this started nexium. Funding I. Exactly and and not getting laid by multiple women feel feel like there should have been. there. Are My women on the bottles of Seagram's it should have been hey, like with ten bottle purchase. You get your own washed bitch. Allison Mack right you get you get like you get like three hours a month when you get one hundred. megs one SEC session you. PUNCH PUNCH-CARD Seagram's carts like what? Where my nexium punchcards please thanks, Seagram. We learn is that nexium has been dealing with bad press a for a long time way before these people started like defecting because it started if I recall correctly and and again brain lag last week. It was like this all started as part of the asked the E. S. T. Movement way back in the day and so those not familiar with es t. like that was a thing in the sixties and it was, and then it was part of like the whole hippy hippy dippy be in touch with your feelings a little just drop it has it and get a groove on. And then it became a big thing it can be bigger thing in the seventies. So like the foundations of this, go back decades and so that's and honestly I. Think. That's why you hear things like you know the guy that just kind of hundred twenty years he's. Like. I'm not. I'm just the latest guy like I'm i. I was I I was told this was cool. Going on forever. Well so Bad press about axiom has been happening for a really long time. There's this specific there. There was the Times Union that was reporting on a lot of it, but not only the Times Union that was reporting on. The Frank? report. was reporting on a lot of it because this Guy Frank per loda or Pelota. I'm pronouncing his name. Wrong. But anyways, he was a publicist for Keith way back when. And they were publishing like all these articles about women that had like. Left the group and how their lives are being basically ruined my keith but it it was just the small publications so it wasn't like. You know was in New York Times reporting on it and so. So Keith always have like this way of like saying like, okay. This bad price is because of. You know there's ways to basically like talk yourself out of this bad press and whatever is happening. So eventually, Clare Bronfman sats up a meeting between Keith and the Dalai Lama. I old. Yeah you're right. Ganga. The first meaning is canceled because of this the negative press about the group. So right until the which. Yeah one would expect because. Okay. So the Dalai Lama supposed to be the reincarnation Buddha that it had all. These like that yet, you should. You should not want to be anywhere around any of that stuff like that's the second time I'm talking about the Dalai Lama. Like literally. Just being like fuck that guy. He has like I already sapling he has some really. Awful things about women but. So anyway I agree so that they decide to go to the Dalai, Lama. They're. GonNa fly out of the Dalai. Lama will not come to you. and. So they go there to convince the Dalai Lama. Of keats innocence and they win him over or. Not. And the funny part is like you don't actually see them winning him over like the like the Llama just like dilemma went from. Okay. Look. You'RE GONNA need to prove to me that all of these lawsuits falls that none of this is based in reality because it's the Llama and the Llama has the NPR voice. and. So that's that's how talks and but then all of a sudden alarm like God he just he looks innocent. Yeah, and that is what? Looks innocent looks. Fuck does that mean I just WanNa know what the fuck does that mean he looks innocent. So but the bad press keeps on comment after that because that's just keep her. Feet on the ground that Richard for the start then we come to find out that Keith Zeman. Oh you're drinking. Whiskey Eleusis. Are you drinking whisky? Know what the fuck me knowing? Are you sweating. All right. So bad price keeps coming come to find out that Keith has been having sex with underage girls. That's weird. Probably shouldn't do that. Call leader having sex with. Way Out. Gaffe. Allow me to clutch my pearls. Shows. I may need Julep I got the vapors. I can't. One of these girls. ENDS UP, committing? Suicide. But Keith. Stopped by no. Be Real. Answers for everything and he basically has all of this is just garbage and none of it is true That's when they established as group and axiom called the knife and this was basically a media company that analyzed news for objectivity or lack thereof and. E. L. Wow so are you? Are you telling the truth about as or not as what I'm hearing? But interestingly enough one of the guys that lake? who was like the head or like deeply involved in the knife he ends up going like, Fox News during like the trump election shan and one of these reporters is like, oh so basically when the president said this fake news fake news and he's like well. There's some truth to it, but you can exaggerate the truth or you can make the truth sound. Well. There are there. There's three different kinds of there are lies damn lies, and then there are statistics because because you can make statistics say anything you want. That's is a again not to sidebar but like my other big argument that me into the today's is people that are sharing the stupid mean. That's ever he's talking about like record numbers of Cova cases and Yeti data and percentages, Internet well, you know the first week of April it was an eighty percent positive rate. Now we're only at ten percent. Okay. We'll dip shits. That's because the first week of April the only people getting tested were the ones get admitted to the hospital. Right. With Open. Tat. Everyone getting tested had Kovac. Now, you can go to the little urgent care by Your House and get one every fifteen minutes if you want to. But Dave math is hard math is hard well and up well. Not even math that's just like comprehension an acronym. Hard context. Context is very hard triple. So. Thinking nexium basically on season desist orders to. Sarah Mark Mazzetti, Bonnie anybody who ends up leaving the Group they go to New York Times. With the story because remember Catherine Oxen Berg Dynasty she has some poll and is able to get. In touch with New, York, Times reporter, and basically this Noor time reporters. As you know, this is all finding nanny but you know what's really going to seal. This story is if we GET PEOPLE Heard, we need more people on the record. So. Also at the time that they're trying to go to New York Times with this article. It keeps getting pushed back because of the chaos of the world. At that time, it was two, thousand, sixteen we had a trump Had like all these natural disasters happening in the United States So your times was looking at this story as an evergreen kind of article like weaken release at this at any time. And as going to get processed and it's GonNa get like you know the kind of reaction that we're looking for however these natural disasters things happening with trump. This is what people wanna read about right. Right. So they're not wanting to read about your little weird sex call you keep telling us about. Keeps. So an n the guy that the journalists who they are talking to is Berry Meyer and is he so funny because he's so me he's talking about how he has immunity to nexium bullshit and I said same because he was like I couldn't help myself like I don't want to help myself like nobody's going to help me help myself like I am a creature of habit like there's no, I'm I'm Yun to this bullshit I thought that was really funny. So, then I don't know my moving too fast. No. Okay. So we're GONNA move into opposite-sex boom. All right. So this is one of the metoo movement happens. and. Sarah Edmonson decides to write her own me to tweet and basically it was like. You know this happened to me when I was in England has happened to me when I was a like a rave in Israel and then it happens me when I was in Albany. New York when I was held down on a table I was branded and Blah Blah And she's talking about her nexium brand and then does the Hashtag me to? Shortly, after. Your Times publishes front page. This story of Nexium high and they had held onto. The rationale was that it's a quote unquote. Evergreen. And so people those familiar with podcast know that you have topical and you have evergreen content to different kinds of things like so topical is what's going on right now evergreen is the kind of stuff that's relevant forever. So when you are dealing with and I kind of understand the rationale here where you're dealing with something that has been going on for decades. There's no real rush to publish. No sense of urgency. It's yeah there's no huge. There's no ticking time bomb. There's like shipping going on it's still going to be going on it. Yeah. So yes, it's a story. Yes. It's an important thing but there's other shit that has our attention right now right? Absolutely. But. so Then, we see Barbara Bouchet. So everyone's reaching out to Sarah in March is not from the waterboy just to. See I know, right. So, Barbara Boucher everyone is kind of like reacting to this front. This front page story and Barbara share reaches out to their Edmonson. Because she was kind of like her mentor in sales when she was in the group and was also like the top selling. A. Top of royal. Purse Salesperson at the at when she was in the group she was also part of a group that came out against her nearly years before. But he basically sued her into oblivion. So Sarah. Becomes. We see Sarah just kind of she becomes consumed with reading all these negative comments. One of the ways that we realize that he thinks that he can just get away with it because it's like if no matter what he's doing, it doesn't really matter and at the end of the day, he feels like he can just sue people into silent right and that's the sad reality of America is that that's true. Is there anybody and so this is like one of those. Reforms Look I truly believe there should be a panel of I'm going with five people because I think that's a reasonable where you have you have to conservatives to liberals and one like whatever or even like one one and three. I'm fine and every lawsuits filed anywhere like like an every county has to have this panel. Every lawsuit that gets filed has to go through that panel. It would drive down our new charon if you can't if you can't get a majority decision from that panel that has merit and should go forward. It's tossed. I completely agree with that I think that's a great idea actually why the fuck aren't we do. That's So, then we see Barbara's story. So borrow was in a relationship with Keith I'm. I feel like there are so many parents and. I don't think you guys touch like there are so many parallels to one of the things that kept coming up through the Epstein. Documentary. Is, so many of these people come from broken homes broken childhoods, danger those kind of situations and which leave them vulnerable to this kind of influence and this kind of situation I won't say, yes and no though because I think that Um Bonnie makes a really good point later on because Catherine Oxen birds talking about her daughter India and she's like you know I did everything to. Ensure that my child. My child had the best childhood and Bonnie is like how that? How about that's the people that they want. They want the people that are perfectly capable of ringling and people they want the people that trust implicitly they want the people that have that aren't broken right? You know they've had good good relationships there an IRA live I can see it from both angles. Sure you you want them, but they're not easy targets. Oh No sh-. Well, I don't know because it seems like India gotten rather easily in India was brought in because her mother. Of It so it's like i. feel like she was kind of like raised into it and like a different way than other people are are brought in. I mean and then what about Bonnie I mean like Bonny was like Mark Van Day was like five days and I'll change I'm not trying to say that that nobody has ever been convinced because I feel like ninety percent of people that are in there have been convinced. Yeah I mean these are all adults. Yeah. But then there are some people that are kind of just like not necessarily born into it but they've been raised into it and and I've seen in multiple of the shots that they've showed of people that were pregnant currently during these things and it's just like, okay we you have people that are literally going to be raising kids from infancy directly into this colts. And how are you going to convince those children that they're wrong with that? They were raised into? I'm just saying. So Barbara talks about how how her she has. She had this relationship with Keith and she didn't realize that when she got into this relationship that Keith was basically having sex with everyone. And he was living in this. House with four women. This cohort were about pressing keep. Kiki. Cafe? Cafe. Come. VP and she talked about how pack like okay. I would go over there. Every time I I went over there. It seems like all the women would like move off the couch. I was the one setting execute. So it seemed like it was like Keith living with four female roommates and like it was platonic and like whatever. Duck. Overdue. And so then they showed US weird party. They show this really weird party that they're all at and there's like these blow up penis. It looks like they're like a Bachelorette along the girls walking. Wearing they have like dudes walking. And they just show Keith like. Kissing. Gall, he's holding hands with every single girl. He's making these discussing actual in in Innuendos. You're just like Oh barf grows villa's ev it's so ski and. That she is so ski but that's where Barbara shake hunter realizes like, oh, he's fucking everyone. Yeah, and and. He is. GASP. Asks. Whiled. We had no clue. PRES. So. Barbara after that is she starts pulling away and people start coming to her within the group that are like, no these hierarchy issues and they're having some. They're having they have concerns about what is happening with Keith and these women that surround him. And then we go into at that point, his board consisted the board for nexium consisted of all women. That he was sleeping with. And Barbara Gasp. How convenient right isn't that interesting? Isn't that splash right? So Barbara Sides. So basically hold this forum with all the women. Not penthouse forum era. So Bergara hoses form with all the women in Keith and. I believe it was like nine of them and they had issues with the. troll strategies that he was using citing a conflict of interest caused by intimacy and secrecy perpetuating a circle around Keith. That they do not question Gore Authority so. How are you making the best decisions for Your Company and our? How is any? What is happening and what is happening at? What is happening at this place? Like this is not legitimate. This is something is fucking off so Keith. Does one of the classic. If it's true. It's true for you. Therefore, it is true to some degree. An base I wrote like basically, it was his version of I'm sorry you feel that way. Exactly. I'm sorry I made you upside Oh sorry that you're angry. fucking all these women and you don't like it. It is true to some degree like. From a certain point of view, right? But what a weird thing to say like. I mean, okay. We're GONNA say, Oh, it might be true to some degree and I'm just like if somebody is coming to you being like if this is true, that's fucked up. Yeah, and then you say this is true to some degree then I would be like. That's Fox but it's also like gas lighting because you're like if it's true. Iverson. then. It must be true to some degree like my like my truth isn't reality right but so that that also again kind of a parallel, the Epstein Lake. So this that. A lot of her comments and some of the stuff feed into that whole. It's not just that you get sucked in. It's that you get sucked in and then you in turn start sucking in others. Yeah, right yeah. Absolutely. You're bringing people into your shit and then he says something else that's really interesting he goes. She's asking for transparency with an accompanying. He goes transparency does not mean in front of everyone all the time like he and then he basically goes on to say like, yeah, there of course, there's people that. I am closer to and I tell my secrets to, of course, and not everything is going to be transparent with everyone all the time. But I'm just like, okay. Yes I agree with that statement. However. That's not what you seem to be preaching to the masses. Yeah. You're not exactly saying, Oh, this is just all the time rare. It's like this is sometimes if it sometimes and that's not okay because there's like a standard that you uphold way your four hours. Yeah and then Barbara brings up something really interesting. She is like Keith you told me. If I have any kind of motivational reaction. To anything this alters your health like I am not allowed to have an emotional reaction to anything because of how it affects you. Right, and that's just like he's allowed to have emotional reactions but you are not yet. Well, I? Don't even know like. Get more into that because remember like episode eight, sure eight or nine when he talks about like women and all that bullshit. So we'll talk about that. But anyway. So all of the nine women that were in this group in this forum, they all resign and they shut down their centers and they ask for their money back basically like any money that we've invested in the company or any money that was owed to us we want this money back and they wrote requests. They wrote these requests and they said, if you don't do this, we're going to contact the price. and. So then he decides to go to the rest of the people that are sold drinking the Kool aid and holds his own little conference and to save face basically with the members and he's like it was a meeting to receive feedback on myself. and. All of the feedback is valid by the way. It's just like all your sort steve like you're judge. Ajayi, you're just again being like. Yes I'm the most rational human being yes. It was all valid feedback bullshit bullshit. You didn't think it was bad because then after this, you go and file litigation after litigation after litigation against these women to the point where they are all in financial ruin to the point where like one of them is like I am working as like a DJ at a like little local pub on the weekends just to make ends meet because I've been sued into utter oblivion by Keith, Ranieri's so no don't tell me my point is valid. You don't think that. So anyways Clare Bronfman files civil and criminal charges. Saying Bergara. And blackmailed, and then this is where the Dalai Lama schedules a visit to. All right. All right. Episodes. Seven. Okay just say no, that's the only the last episode for night because we have to shut down half an hour. So we're GONNA do episode seven, and then next week we're GONNA finish up with eight and nine. Perfect. Okay. So episode seven Oxen Berg is talking to her mom who's Princess Elizabeth about contacting the Dalai Lama because she's like, Hey, if you have any, Hannibal maybe you want to let him know that he endorses sex cult maybe one a lot of news a little bit. Maybe you won't let them he might be aware. So. Catherine meets with Frank Parlato of the Frank. report. and. He is an investigative journalism and basically his whole goal in life is to expose nexium and. So she consult Franken his lawyers and they present a huge list of crying possible crimes against Keith and It ranges from slavery, kidnapping, medical malpractice, and human trafficking, and Basically, they just want to expose this because Catherine's like. The New York Times story didn't take it far enough. And they didn't right. It didn't. It's not didn't delve into. How deep. This story actually. So then Clare Bronfman we find out loan sixty, five million dollars to the company. But they can't repay it and basically They say that like nexium is cooking their books because they're saying like nexium doesn't bring in any money to be able to repay the sixty five million dollar loan. So that's another major thing that they wanna like present sixty, five, million dollar is a lot. Yeah. That's fucked. Anyone gets that kind of money. Well be the era. Ginger. I'll be the era of. Soda Water. And WISC Yan. Wish A. Everything basically. So So basically Abe Franks lawyers there as well. Because Frank I'm sure has been sued into oblivion just writing all of these stories right nexium. Love it. Brings lawyers there and he's like you know this sounds like a really good listening like what you need is you need an overwhelming amount of witnesses to testify that like These women that were in dos. None of this was a consensual relationship like this branding wasn't consensual masters leave thing was not consensual. You need you need to find witnesses. So she has she reaches out to a bunch of factors. So people who had left the group. And they WANNA, get at least a hundred ladders written to the FBI to. To anyone that will listen in lawn for spent and they're basically preparing a doc-. Which I love that word? I. Love The word dossier dossier hair archer to is archer's always liked to read the dossier. I've watched so many documentaries say docket. Documentary or document now does. Dossier Okay so then we Learn about Tony. Natalie. which is a former girlfriend and she basically explains to us Keith Ramirez former relationship with LM's So after he laughed, Amway. He started consumers byline. We've talked about MLM's. So consumers byline. Dude. You gotTa see if you had if you could just go and Youtube consumers bioline and look at Keith Rainier stupid fucking hair and commerce. It ally it is. Like dumb and dumber. The straight bangs like right across the board. It's literally like just. Like fangs. BANGS. So anyways. So. Basically, this is like an alum which. It sounds weird. Now living in the time of like online shopping and stuff but like it was a group of people who It sounds like they bought coupons. To people but they were basically. Coupons for your coupon and they were basically saying like if we come at them with like this buying power, you know we're going to get the better deal and it's just it's so weird. But what you're the weirdest thing is is this was the fastest growing MLM during the ever is. Is. so When Tony there? she noticed it's like a lot of young people working and there is energy in the room and they're making these calls and making these deals and doing all this great stuff and I wrote speed. Just that and then. Shortly after this and Enter Nancy's Houseman. So. Nancy thousand is a an LP neuro linguistic programming. That's what she does and. And Her match made in Hell and So sinister. So basically Nancy realizes like. Keith has like some sort of power, but Nancy can make it realized. Yeah and so she goes to him and has basically like a team up and like I feel like whatever you're doing I can help and make ten times better to ten times fucking worst. And so Tony Describes After, she ends up leaving the group we don't. Fully see their relationship but tony ends up after leaving the group unrelenting socking after she breaks up with Keith because for whatever reason she ends up breaking up with him. We'll get into that later and Keith says Sir her when she when she leaves Keith he says to her. I'll see you in jail or I'll see you dead. And legal. Seyran jail he cancels her credit cards. He cancels our health insurance. He files lawsuits he forced her to file bankruptcy. He had the FBI investigate her and then enter Pam Remember Pam Olea. Yes. Okay. So Pan she was tasked at the time of all this. To bring women into the family. Yeah Family the family what kind of cult does that? Remind you man Manson? Yeah, right. So Pam was tasked with bringing women into the family and Tony was one of those women and Tony describes a relationship where Pam was super loving and like always had our back and like they were it's just like when we think about. The last girl with Jackie. You know it's like there. The the relationship that they had was very like loving and caring and like sisterly. Yeah and it's like I'm confiding in this one because we have this like bond with other. Yeah, and then suddenly it's like. Give me the house and let me take videos. Like I don't know because from what I sounds like. From Tony, it doesn't sound like that Ham was even that's easy like it. Saying like. Relationship Yeah. where I trust you wholeheartedly. All right. Yeah. Absolutely. One hundred percent but this is the fucked up. So when Tony ends up leaving the group, Pan, never reaches out and she was like I thought I had a sisterhood with this woman like. Yeah, like I thought. This woman was my best friend. I can find it in her everything and when I laughed. Nothing, crickets like she had devoted her life. So thoroughly to Keith that was even no way that she was even GonNa speak to her after that. So then. Oh Tony reveals like this is the very end of episode seven. So we can wrap it up right after this, but Tony were wheels that Keith. Had sent her like a death time line. So yeah, he was hard pass. Yeah. He was basically like here you are and it was like sleep the most childish drawing you. I. Like, the most basic stupid graph in the world it was like. And here's. Like here's your, here's your death time line you leave the group your, dad it reminded me of back in the day I would I would take I was trying to explain like how bad the situation was to somebody while we were sitting in a bar because we were drinking after work because Chit was all screwed up and it took a bar Napkin and drew a little star on it and I said, this is the star named fucked. And then I drew a big line over and I said, this is where we are. We are so far beyond. That it takes the light from the star named, Fox? Hundred million years to reach us. Using suck. Dude. Okay. So basically, yes it yet in even more simplistic terms Keith Sends Tony this like death line where he's like here you are in here you are dead, right? Basically, this is going to be used in court of him like this against you. Yeah. Absolutely. One thousand percent shot at you fucking tried to terrify me US new made me claim bankruptcy child Ma you you canceled my health insurance child the lesser child molester. These things. So anyways Keith Sucks. So that's the end of. That's on. I know a so and we and we have two more episodes. So, like the never ending. Story we know that there's GonNa be a season to. Go like leads him. So over I can't like I can't. I have to say though. Like. I'm not just saying this because I want you to listen to our podcast but I'm saying episode eight and nine Certa box. The best like those could have been the. Exactly. Right. which again gets back to. This four episodes. This is probably like seven episodes to. Watch eight nine we're going to be back next we talk about them. We'll maybe talk about some other stuff. Now let's just say let's eight nine but I feel like next week they'll be a few things going on in the country. I think next week we're I will either be crying with like a bag of Whiskey Ivy League or I will be like Papin by. Great. Can you know it's going to be one of the other. So Jesus definitely come back next week. Listen to rails come back and let us know what's going on. If you have something, you want us to watch two or if you have something you want to say, please send us a message. Go on our facebook go on her instagram, go on her. G Mail come on and talk to us and let us know what the fuck you talking about. Yeah we want to hear about it Yep. So otherwise. This was a great episode I. Hope that you guys all enjoy to. Join US Again Watch eight nine for next week and go and vote.

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Ep. - 286 - THE VOW ON HBO UNSOLVED CELEBRITY DEATHS

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When you use code reality life ten at checkout is free delivery on select items, forty five dollars or more online only on homedepot dot com or homedepot dot com slash decor. Welcome back to another episode of Reality With Casey I hope that you've had a great week and that you have check out this new nine part series on Hbo called the vow it is about the self improvement group called Nexium. And it is fantastic. Nexium is this odd cold that I've been reading about for years. In fact, when my youngest was born, I would spend hours at night late into the night when I was feeding her perusing this incredible blog called the frank report because it had all of these insider accounts of what was going on within the organization. So I got little sleep not just because of my newborn but because I became so enthralled by how this self-improvement Group headquartered in all beat Albany New York of all places had grown. And not only grown, but to have so many female members that became so enamored by this very creepy man who was running the organization and had committed all these crimes as a result of their devotion to him. So, the vow again is the documentary series. It's follows a number of people that are deeply involved in this self-improvement group called nexium over the course of several years. So this series takes a very deep nuanced look at this organization, which was faced has face been faced with various charges including sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy against the highest members and most notably the founder Keith. Ranieri? Who was convicted in June of two, thousand, nine hundred, and is currently awaiting sentencing several other women who were high ranking executives are also facing sentencing and it is a. Transfixed seeing series about what happens when someone gets too much power and the people that are brainwashed under them. So amidst the claims by nexium participants of both profound transformation and devastating abuse, this is a series that seeks to reveal the issues behind the headlines explore the emotional toll of the unfolding events of these individuals. It started off with a bang where it really kind of gives you a window into how so many people educated people people with degrees in places like Harvard. Began taking courses and the courses began with a five day would be fifty, seven hundred dollars in would sign up for five days of courses from. Eight o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night with almost no breaks. Intensive and putting you in a position where you're revealing very personal information to someone a stranger with the notion that they will help you break through these mental barriers. But what they are in fact doing is gathering information on you and. Bill basically pounding you down until you are left to believe that they are the only people that can build you back up. So it opens with footage of Keith Rainier, the leader in this professionally shot video talking about this executive success program, which is a methodology which. Quote Unquote. People to optimize their experience and behavior he uses these. Oh, he uses big words to describe things that are quite simple but in such a way that people seem to skim over the fact that he's got this greasy Jesus looking hair and he's quite short, he's probably lied about all the details of his life because he is got the keys to their journey to success that they've that he can unlock the door to opportunity that they have been holding themselves for moving forward their whole life, and he's the only person that has the answers. He lied to all of his parishioners and many many members of the media to his financial backers. He said that he had earned multiple degrees from a very, very, well known school in the East. amongst those degrees were like computer science CETERA IT turns out the guy dropped out of school. He told people that he was a childhood champ. Jujitsu Jitsu doesn't pan out at all that he was a classical trained pianist not a fact. That he can sit he was considered one of the smartest men in the world that Guinness Book of World Records had had written that he had one of the highest IQ's I mean it was all bullshit. So because these were the days before Google when he really started this business which came out of a pyramid scheme that he had created you could fudge details like this and because of it. The people who the kind of the founding group of members they passed on these falsehoods as troops and people believed it again and again and again. So, as we go through, the episodes were learning about some of the people that were high ranking and how they became involved with the organization and this couple who are married talk about how they had inner struggles within their marriage because she began to see that the women who were involved in this organization, we're getting unbearably thin. And seemed to be so completely devoted to this creek bag and wanting to leave and the husband who had been very high in the organization in fact, Co running the Vancouver wing of. Organization. And he had pause like I. Don't know if I want to leave I, really believed the mission He this man was a sociopathic convinced all those people that he had their best interest in mind. So they're all these offshoots of the group and they're all doing crazy things like this one group I think it's the Rainbow Rainbow something. They tell have told people they told people that if they enlisted their children indoor. Admitted their children into this program, they could learn up to six languages but they really what they really did was they were taking these young girls who were from other countries brought them into the country had them workers like quasi nannies to try to teach these children to learn languages but? You can't teach children to learn six languages at one time. And those women were used to do basically slave work for the other women in the organization that this organised within the organizations confines, there was a group called Dos, which is a Latin acronym allegedly meaning Lord Master of the Obedient Female Companions and at the heart of this is Keith Ranieri the guy that's the creep bag at the top. And the Secret Group of women were bound to submission under near by high stakes, collateral blackmail basically. So the D. to their home or a letter where they have all these lies about a family member salting them. Also forced branding. They were taken into a room in like in the middle of the night disrobed, they put a blindfold on them. They had to take a vow and they were held down table and then a doctor who was also a member of the organization when use a cauterize in pen and carve out initials onto their flesh. They were required to basically starve themselves. They were on like a five hundred Calorie Diet. and. They had to stay up all nights of the hour to be awake to receive a text from their master, and if they didn't respond to the master within a certain amount of minutes than they were penalized, and the that penalization could be doing aggressive physical exercise or cutting even more calories down or hitting yourself, and so the whole system was set up that they were would be doing work for Keith and they also were required to sleep with them. So, one of the members came forward in New York Times article she showed a picture on the New York Times I believe it was on the cover showing the branding, and because of that story, it began to break open. and. This is a series that covers a lot of what what transpired after that New York Times article and the inner workings of the organizations, and this again was all group of people that were were really devoted to radical self improvement. So I am telling you. This is so weird to watch because you just can't believe that. So many people were involved in this and to think that this guy by the way, he's just a grease bag. He looks like five three, he grew on his hair to make them. Clearly, he is totally transfixed by women they seem to be transfixed by him. He has the parish nurse go to like a a gym every night at eleven pm to play volleyball anywheres, volleyball pads like he's some sort of Olympic volleyball player it's embarrassing. and. You're just going to be shaking your head like you've got to be kidding me but just rest assured that this guy is in jail now and will be there for the rest of his life. So I was able to get a very lucky to get an interview with Rick Ross? He is one of the country's probably the country's most preeminent cult expert. And I was able to ask him about his experience with next him because he was in litigation with them for like twelve years. And what the markers of Nexium Program are and who is culpable, and if the organization is still working and I asked Sarah Heron who is a senior writer at US weekly to help me kind of review the vow for you. And then also as an added bonus I asked Jonathan Mark to talk about some of the most famous unsolved celebrity deaths. So it's just like a great episode I hope that you enjoy this over like a nice glass of wine or a cup of coffee or long walk. And here we go. Rick Allen Ross is the executive director of the Cold Education Institute ce I, and is the author of the Book Colts inside out how people get in and can get out. He's a e programmer and a cult specialist is work throughout the US and internationally and lectures at more than thirty universities and colleges in the US China and Thailand. He is not only written and spoken extensively on Nexium, but was also subjected to a fourteen year legal battle with nexium than ended in two thousand seventeen he is a prolific writer and speaker I'm thrilled to tell you that he's with me today. Welcome to the show. Nice to be with you kate. So a little bit about when you first learned about nexium. I was hired by a family, in new, Jersey to do an intervention to get a their son and two daughters out of Nexia I, successfully exited the two daughters, but the sun stayed in. And that was around what? Two, thousand, one, two, thousand, two, and one of the daughters gave me the study notes to Nexium. Anti then gave them to to. Forensic psychiatrist and clinical psychologist. They evaluated the study material and concluded that it was a coercive persuasion and that it was cult like and they wrote each of them a paper well, actually three to by the clinical psychologist one by the psychiatrist which I published at Cult Education Dot Com and anyone interested can read them there. And then teeth rene decided to sue me he wanted to get an offline and so he sued me on claiming intellectual property rights. Doctors could not quote his study material in the purpose of crew critique and that lawsuit as you just said, drag on for fourteen years crazy but true well, he was known to be quite Lati- just, and then of course, they had the money of the Bronfman sisters. So that helps them. With all of these, the multitude of lawsuits, what was it about next and what were the most alarming aspects of the program to? You. Well, they would just run people into the ground. They had these intensive that would go on for days. People went in sleep enough they went enough. They were surrounded by adherents who nexium and they were. They were being subjected to this kind of Cathartic process of indoctrination where they bared their souls they confess their deepest secrets They cried, they broke them down a one woman was so broken down in an intensive that took place. In Alaska that she walked out and killed herself. And there. There was another woman who became psychotic had a psychotic break ran into the streets of Albany stripped or clothes often ended up in a mental hospital. Many of these people I would talk to after they were they were subjected to the training and they left. And they would call me they would talk to me It was really pretty brutal how the training would escalate to what for many was a breaking point. What were some of the markers? What were some of the markers of the next Sam six ESP education the the? What made them different than other similar programs? While, they weren't that different. In fact, he threw Neri was basically a copy. A copy of Ironically, he sued me for intellectual property violation, but he himself violated the intellectual properties of scientology on rand, a landmark education and neuro linguistic programming. So basically, it was a hodgepodge he he would put together things that he copied from other groups like for example, scientology will say if you are resistant to them or critical of them, you might be categorized as. As a suppressive person or in sp a key keith used that exact terminology suppressive person sap in his study notes and when I saw them I immediately immediately knew he ripped off of scientology. He would also talk about disintegration 's which was his way of describing the negative reactive mine and trauma in the mind which scientology would call n grams and then he was all about. Really Objectivism, which is the philosophy of Ayn, rand? Atlas shrugged and Fountainhead, and he would talk about you know the right of the individual to create and so on. And a rather randy in view of the world, and then the structure of the seminars he copied from landmark education, which was created by Werner Erhard previously called Erhard seminars training or the forum, and so the multiday scheduling of the intensive over a long weekend or some of them extended even fourteen days but it was all patterned after the kind of cave them in change them and lock them locked them into a new mindset. Process that Werner Erhard pioneered in the seventies, and then also this idea of the scarfs and the in the levels that seemed to be a rip off of several other programs. Well, yeah. That's a rip off of the Martial Arts community You know you're you have a karate a sash or you know something from martial arts that denotes where you're at. Are you a green belt? Are you a black belt? What else are you and Renee? Incorporated that but it also came from his days with Amway as a multilevel marketing distributor. He created a company called consumer byline that eventually was sued out of existence by Attorney General's from various states that said it was a pyramid game and so rene reincorporated multilevel marketing to be the way he structured appear amid or hierarchy of authority within nexium. And by the way he he became more than that because he took on this persona of vanguard that was what they called him Van Gogh. As. If he was the van of a new awareness in the world and they would actually celebrate his birthday during vanguard, week in upstate New York and he would gather people to live near him in the Albany New York area and the Bronfman Sisters. Clare Bronfman Sara Bronfman setup homes in the Albany area or mansions. So they could be near their. They're great. One Keith Ranieri Vanguard. So there were. Maybe one, hundred, hundred and fifty people or more that at one time lived in Albany enthralled and under the control of Keith Ranieri where you surprise some of the lies that he told about his history that he was this judo master that this absurd lie about how he was one of the smartest men that have ever lived is that surprising to you that that those lies continued for so long without some money. Actually providing the receipts that none of it was in fact. True. Well No. Because I've dealt with a cult leader since the nineteen eighties and and they're they're relentlessly narcissistic either driven individuals often described as sociopaths or even psychopaths You know think of Charles Manson thank of the Jim. Jones David. Koresh just to name three. So Keith Ranieri was like them. He had a grandiose narcissistic delusional view of himself and was he really that smart? Well, you know I'll leave it to you ease in federal holding. Now in jail he's facing life imprisonment at one time he controlled hundreds of millions of dollars but like many cult leaders in the past, he never knew when to. To, stop, he had to keep escalating his control his dominance and he had this thing about women about having power and control over women, and in my view he was very misogynistic very. Contemptuous of women and he he wanted to humiliate women and ultimately he branded them. He had them branded with a cod rising iron with his initials on their pelvis I mean how sick is that? You know? So no matter how much rene got no matter how much power he got no matter how much money he got it had to be more more more, and unfortunately he had these two Seagram's liquor heiresses the Bronfman sisters who each had hundreds of millions of dollars given to them by their families. By their family and So he had virtually limitless funds. He spent five million dollars suing me alone, and then there were many many other people that he sued and spent Bronfman money harassing. So my question as we go into further episodes at this, how after being involved with this lawsuit? Having contact with so many people that were associated with this group. How complicit do you believe were those that were in executive positions? Oh. I think there were totally complicit I think Nancy. Saltzman. certainly was very aware of what was going on she. She was a nurse. She studied hypnotism neuro linguistic programming LP, which is a form of manipulation, and she was totally cognizant of what she was doing and how she was aiding and abetting Keith. Ranieri a Lauren Saltzman her daughter who came in at a young age because of her mother I think was more of a victim than than a perpetrator but she did things that were criminal and so did allison mack the actress who was in Smallville who was at one time a great success and by all accounts that I've heard about her in in Los Angeles a very nice person good person to work with and she had a wonderful career and it was all destroyed by Keith Ranieri through his control of her life. And then of course. There was Clare Bronfman who was basically the bank she made it. All possible. If Eh, anytime Clare Bronfman her sister. Sarah. At walked away and said, you're not gonNA get another penny from us. The whole thing would have crashed. So they were his total enablers and Clare Bronfman. is of course facing. Prison, time herself and she's had a terrible difficulty. It seems in acknowledging what went wrong and how she was part of it and what kind of a human being Keith really really was in my opinion, he fits the profile of a psychopath but according to Clare Bronfman as recently as just this past month she praises him and still thinks he did her good even though he hurts so many people in and he was convicted of sex trafficking. Of terrible things, the wanton abuse and physical torture of women and yet Clare Bronfman. Still kind of has an attitude of well, it was good for me too bad. It wasn't good for the other women that he traumatized for the rest of their lives Is there any reason to believe that next team is still operating and in? Mexico specifically. Well the as you may know Emiliano, Salinas. The son of the former president of Mexico Carlos Salinas was a follower of Keith rain area, and there were many many prominent wealthy Mexican people from Santa Cruz from Guadalajara from Mexico City, that would come to the United States to do these intensive and gave Keith Ranieri, a lot of money and I have heard. Over and over again about how they persist in Mexico, even though they're largely disbanded in the US though there's a residue of these acolytes of remarries that they just can't let go. You know you have to realize they spent decades of their life totally committed to him, sacrificing their their financial, wellbeing, their their relationships of the often were estranged from families the Bronfman. Sisters were estranged from their Father Edgar Bronfman senior for quite some time and I would receive complaints from family after family about what they went through and how difficult it was. But when you're when you're invested in your all in in a group like the like this, it's difficult to acknowledge that it was all for naught and the leader was a phony fraud who who actually May. Not that good of a grade point average at rensselaer where he got a bachelors degree on. On a on a prolonged steady plans, shall we say so he was not the brilliant man that he said he was but what he was brilliant was drilling down and identifying people's vulnerabilities, manipulating them, and a lot of these people have had a hard time getting over it. In fact, there's a small group that actually meets in dances outside of the jail arena areas, elden Brooklyn in an effort to make him happy and to show him that they're thinking of him and the prosecutors have. Taped remarries, phone conversations from jail in which he he made himself look really bad previous sentencing and how smart is that someone who so stupid that they don't realize that they're being taped on jailhouse phone conversation I mean Rene. In my mind and I've met him and spent hours with them in court ordered mediation and in court proceedings. In my mind, he's not a very smart guy other than at conning people in manipulating them but in as far sustaining the group and not getting caught, he ended up being his own worst enemy. To, reason believe that Allison Mack has realized the error ways or is she still fully programmed? I think from what I'm hearing Allison Mack has has had a a wake-up. Okay. A process certainly, India oxen, Berg I work with her mother Catherine Oxen extensively marked Percentveay who I talked with at great length after he left Nexium a Sarah Edmonson who I met and spoke have spoken with other they all have gone through a process of reawakening their critical thinking and examining what happened to them and coming to a deeper understanding about their vulnerabilities and the vulnerability of all of us in in being subjected to manipulation of someone like remarry. I mean the sad thing is we're all vulnerable and the fragility of the human mind is something that we've really find great difficulty in getting our heads around but you know what? people are getting conned every day and there are thousands and thousands of these cult groups in the United States alone, and so we need to be aware that we can be vulnerable we can be conned. And I think most of Keith Ranieri's victims have come to that awareness. with I. Thank you enough for your time. Do you know what episode we will see you in? Davao. I don't I know it's in the first seven I start coming in. in conversations with mark and and with Catherine and. I know that I talked to people have. Seen the entire package of of series and I do appear of later in getting towards the time of his arrest and prosecution. Terrific will we can read your book cults inside out how people get in and can get out and find out more about you at your website that Colt Education Institute. Where else can they find more information about you and what you're working on? Well you can follow me on twitter rick. Allen Ross There's also facebook page for the Cult Education Institute where you can also follow There's a youtube channel where you can see more educational information via video, and there's also a message board attached to the cult education institute where anyone join for free and talk about their experiences or concerns related to. Him. Authoritarian groups. Terrific. 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Online only you can find exactly what you're looking for and more at homedepot dot com slash decor, and remember to use my code reality life ten for ten percent off. Sarah. How familiar were you with nexium before the vowel? Okay Dow I knew. Just enough about necessarily because I've been at us for almost three years and win the legal stuff happened I was at Austin we've been covering a little bit because of the House in math which I'm sure we'll get into. All the celebrity ties, but the colts I mean I will always have my hardest scientology and I spend most of my time trying to figure out how that's still. But nexium and VAL has been I've learned so much into the first you episode. So when the open up and they're showing the methodology were talking about the methodology and their excess executive success program there, they talk about how people can optimize their experience and behavior the he uses a word salad like a lot of optimization. self-criticism. Terms. Limited beliefs. Did you feel as confused as I was about the things that he was espousing wild smiley people sat across the table from him and acted like they had some idea what he was talking about. a hundred percent I actually took me until the second of those even understand what the court was trying to accomplish. Always, scientology we know we're clearing planet here I guess it's all about inner self help but when it came up to be talking about the fashion of mathematics or reaching ultimate wasteland but I would just laugh in their face like I can't. So when people enter this organization, they are told that vanguard Keith, Rainier, the leader, the one I mentioned looks like Jesus Christ that he is amongst the smartest men of the world that he was a Jew jitsu champion as a child classical pianist that he had multiple degrees from very, very, well known school in New York. Would that be a red flag she that someone had accomplished that much and still look like someone had not ever taken bath or would you find that compelling? You are so right with do you have the greasy haired and thinking that back his thing? It makes him so cool and hip I mean there's no way. I can never take this man here. I guess I would be intrigued by but the second you try to kiss me on the list or whatever they used to do I would be out. So that's the interesting thing too is that they all seem to have let go of personal boundaries. He insisted that they all kiss on the lips he seemed to be setting the tone for the group that you're sexual boundaries will will change that what I ask of you you have to accept as the new norm and that may include having you subside on a five hundred calorie diet rich and raisins and squash if you had to be part of a group that had to kiss your coworkers or your. Classmates and kissed them on the lips would that be an an over and out for you? Ben If I'd made it that far I mean the Diet would often out for me and saying that women are like being zombies potentially a good thing. I mean everything that I was saying it didn't even farm smart like a Lotta. Big Words can choke you but nothing this guy he didn't even have any weight to it like it just sounded like nonsense from the beginning agreed. So with the real kicker is as you get into episodes, is that there was this group called Dos, which is a Latin acronym allegedly meaning Lord Master of the obedient female companions at the heart of the operation. So the secret group were bound to submission under his high stakes collateral, which was blackmail forest branding starvation diets and enforce sex. So you had to fork over collateral, which could be the your house. It could be a a letter explaining that you were sexually assaulted by someone that never did it in in order for you to be dissuaded from leaving the group. And, of course, you had to be on alert throughout the night if your master text you and asked you to respond to them, you had a short period of time to respond, and if you did not that, you would be penalized with a form of pushups starvation or running laps around the neighborhood At the end of this you are brought to someone's weird department you are asked to robe you are brought to a table you were held down by others you may or may not be sexually assaulted by somebody, and then a cauterize iron is used to inscribed into your pelvis, the initials of what seems to be Keith and Allison mack forever into your skin. This is so barbaric and nuts, and yet all these women signed up for it because the the women that were sort of the cohort leaders. Encourage them by saying. Sacrifices an important part of self-improvement at what part in the process would you go on out? I mean listen I have a very small tattoo that I regret and it took four minutes and I acted like someone was stabbing me go rhino version. So if the branding like there's no way in hell, they would even get close enough to my skin like I would just it's insane. Would I want both I mean I wouldn't want anyone's initials brandon but keep and allison is so weird like it's like they're a couple and album after all really fascinates me because she had success on small bill and she was all those tweets that they found. If people are trying to recruit people after all this came out and we're trying to get like I think she'll tell you that like Kelly Clarkson trying to recruit celebrities casually on twitter and she really fascinates me and there's something about her that it makes me that front of our house will be scared of her. We can't really figure out like how culpable is because she does. Look at him. It's some of these videos, these promotional videos with the adoration of somebody who would go to like a one direction concert at the age of eleven. So you're really like uncertain of like why she so devoted to him, she told him that she wanted to have his baby and apparently he let her on for years. So all of the women signed these contracts saying they would not sleep with anybody else but only to him and they were all at the ripe ovulation age. So some of them have left and have realized that there clock is now over and that he would never have let them be the father of their child. So the problem is that one woman actually got pregnant by him and she refused to get the abortion that he had pushed for each of the others that had possibly gotten pregnant. To this day, no one knows the name of that child which I think is very, very odd. What do you think child's name is if you could guess it. Well, that is the question me like wasteland over. I don't know something along like some random letters put together like nexium sounds like a drug. Maybe that's a good point I was thinking it would be something having to do with volleyball. In the beginning episodes we hear the stories of former I don't know what you would call them parishioners mark the Santa and his wife Bonnie Bonnie was a singer mark was the filmmaker they had quite a bit of problems within their marriage because Bonnie I was the left the group I and mark took a longer time to leave. He was told by Nancy Salzman the prefect second in command she was told she told Mark Your interesting because you're keats only male friend. I mean clearly marked with craving some sort of companionship that he wasn't getting from body, which was really sad because they seem like a normal couple and it is just so weird to hear him on the phone with her because she would be like this is not good. We gotta get out and he would be like I. Don't know if I see it that way they felt like a brainwash thing. Okay. Last question. De Group used Allison Mack, and several other actors who had apparently all appeared in ballot battle. Stark ELECTA. To lure. In. New. Potential. Per Schnurr's like look, we have all these fantastic actresses I noticed. At the at the alert of someone else on Instagram that one of the women standing in line to meet him at a volleyball practice was none other than Linda Evans from. What celebrity current celebrity do you think would have been better face for nexium if they had been on posters and had been doing promotional videos on twitter and instagram would've probably led to many more people joining nexium. Wow. That's a good question for of all I just have to say up for me the shock was great park who plays Katherine in a million little things. But she I had no idea she was in it and so weird to see who gets I mean obviously also knocked was like the big the Okra she was still involved in like leader of it but I had no idea that he was into coal and now it's like a much more famous now than she was then but I that with brushed under the rug first of all so that off me and Oh, my God, who would be good who someone who's like so loved. That people would believe this be. That's to turn. That's what I think. Kept them up at night there like we gotta get someone from the Disney channel. I think they probably are looking. We're looking at the list of people that appeared on dancing with the stars because I think the same people that cast for dancing with the stars for the same people to look for people to join their Colt they're like this is who America this is the heartbeat of America. Throw in somebody who is on a reality show perhaps like a housewives Chris Shell from selling sunset. That would be a great fine I could fall. She would be great for a cold right now. Don't you think? One hundred percent or even like visit were hot hake but there's a colt of people who are not to call it. The group of people who are. So if that was bravo or fire and stuffy Schroeder that she. I think people would follow her and she's got that like Sassy whatever and they would think it's all funny and singled probably did stop the money until they're being branded with cauterize in pen on some bed. But not in Albany like they would have to move headquarters to someplace a little bit like a better temperature. I'm GONNA say Arizona because there's like more time outside especially if you want to but you got mixed up, it can't be volleyball it's gotTa be another sport like like Putt Putt Golf that has to be like the sport. Good called EPA much easier to be universally even at ball. Kind of like that gives me Jim Jim Flash I love that for my for my group, it's supposed to be lifting me up and not tearing me down agreed. Okay. So if people WANNA follow you, how can they do so? Okay well, I am at Serhan. Arlen on instagram twitter. The whole thing is a bachelor presenting Thera Heron. It's not me and she'll only be marketing misdemeanor, which is you know my cross to bear okay. Well, I can't love you enough and thank you for all your love and attention to all these reality docu series and documentaries that we love so much. Any time it's an honor. Jonathan Mark you are back with me. You are a psychic medium. You are dear friend and I am dying to ask you about these worlds. Greatest mysteries everybody loves to hear you channel people that have passed and these are things that have been boggling people's minds for a longtime ready. I'm so ready. Okay. I one. JFK. So the assassination of John Kennedy was on November twenty second nineteen sixty three. And the subsequent of prime suspect Lee Harvey. Oswald by nightclub owner, Jack Ruby have spurred numerous conspiracy theories. These include alleged involvement of the CIA the Mafia Vice President Lyndon Johnson Cuban Minister Prime Minister. Fidel. Castro the KGB or some combination of these entities of course the original FBI investigation and Warren Commission report as well as an alleged benign CIA cover up have led to the claim that the federal government deliberately covered up crucial information in the aftermath of the assassination. Who Do you think assassinated John F Kennedy Right, let's see. What I see Just, they actually are showing me. Which I obviously I hope I'm wrong but. The. Government it really seems like the government was a pretty big involvement but not only that they keep putting on is like the weirdest thing to say but. Looks like honestly. Kind of outside sources, I gang related like Lafayette and all that stuff. Were also connected. Jack Ruby kills Lee Harvey Oswald. Right afterwards. Was Jack Ruby hired by the CIA and the mafia to do that to keep Lee Harvey. Oswald quiet. Yeah it kind of seems they're all kind of intertwined with each other. So it all caused it. All kind of seems like. The government helped out, let's say it's the mafia or whatever, and they worked together heavily to kind of put this terrorist and kind of eliminate all key witnesses from what I see because it does seem like it's involved with the government like the government was very aware about what was happening, what was going on and Kinda helped the next steps of things. So will there be at any point where the truth is ever revealed or is this like too far in the past in too many people covered stuff up over time. I think it's GonNa be revealed. I definitely think it's going to be revealed I. Think it's going to be more done like I'm using this as an example like someone go on social media and showing that can be done in a very unconventional way but it's GonNa happen where it's it is gonNA. Happen it's definitely going to happen but not in a very conventional political type away. Okay. The second one Princess Diana in the early hours of August thirty first. Nineteen Ninety seven Princess Diana of Wales died in hospital after being injured in a motor vehicle accident in a road tunnel in Paris, her partner Dodie Fad, and the driver of the Mercedes Benz Hungry Paul were pronounced dead at the scene and their bodyguard Trevor Rees Jones survived with some serious injuries. Some media claimed the erratic behavior of `Paparazzi following the car as reported by the BBC had contributed to the crash in nineteen ninety nine if French investigation found that Paul. So that was the driver had lost control of the vehicle at high speed while intoxicated and under the effects of prescription drugs was solely responsible for the crash. He was the deputy head of security at the Hotel Ritz and had earlier goaded pop paparazzi waiting for Diana and Dodi. Fayed, outside the hotel. So who was responsible for the accident? It. My my honest from what I see, it seems the driver. The driver was drunk on medication and he's the reason for it. Also seems to like I know with like the Paparazzi and stuff even now today. By like people would be surprised of people who tipped them off whether it's a close friend or whatever, and it seems liked Paparazzi. In some type of way was tipped off about what car they were golden and. They're leaving and stuff. But it really has to do with the driver in a very big way not just because, yes the drugs and drinking like that's obviously a huge part of it but it also seems like money was involved with Paparazzi and stuff and like their whereabouts when they're leaving all that who is paying the or tipping off was doty Fiat. Or was it the driver or was it some other third party person maybe somebody affiliated with the hotel? It seems like someone who's affiliated with the hotel it doesn't seem like it's those people. And in the aftermath of her death, it costs caused an unprecedented outpouring of public grief in the UK and worldwide her funeral was watched by an estimated two point, five, billion people. The Royal Family was criticized in the press for the reaction to Princess Diana's death. What was your feeling or what what are you getting from I don't know if you can tap even into her but. How the reaction to her death and her her legacy. Why can't tell you the straight up from what I see come tapping in I'm kind of tapping in unfortunately to like one of the drivers and stuff. And she's there. She's very reserved. Very quiet about this, but I could definitely tell you like her reaction from her death is. Obviously shocked right. That was the last thing she thought I was going to be the cause of her death was. kind of due to Paparazzi but she is kind of over one. She's kind of. How her death created a huge shift within the Royal Fam like family and how things like transpired in in the UK. Like she didn't know that she was beloved I see. A sense is she what her feelings now about the way that her sons are always in world. Capturing the attention of the world, their relationship, their wives is she happy with it or wishing that she a private more private life? Will. That's about to say she seems like someone who's more private with things and she seems like someone who would prefer personal situations and stuff to be way more private this is a weird one but William Shakespeare. So the authorship question that's full of the English, Bard who wrote such renown plays as the merchant of Venice Julius Caesar and a midsummer night's dream continues to haunt scholars with many trying to figure out how a glover son from the countryside entered the literary world popular conspiracy theories. Suggest he was a ghostwriter or at the actual actually Francis Bacon Essayist. Edward declare the seventeenth earl of Oxford even Christopher Marlowe another playwright from the same era, it could've been a woman. Who is who was William? Shakespeare. Looks like a woman. Really Pretty dominant like creative. Amazing. Female was she part of the aristocracy was she sounds like she had to have been educated was she somebody who had she? Actually. Yes. So like this is what I see she someone who's educated I'm assuming had access as well. It just seems like they wanted a man to be the person to create all the stuff like they wanted a man's name. Oh my gosh she pissed off that she didn't get any recognition. To be honest, it doesn't really seem like that. Wow. Seems like it seems like that's all that she knew you know what? I mean. Like, it was something that like was engraved in her. And stuff is there younger? Is there a name that comes to you? I can't pronounce it but it has a cook in in like a CR. K like the cuss sound in it. That's that's that's that's like heavily involved in all that creation of the Willing Shakespeare stuff. Okay. All right. This is the last one. Marilyn. Monroe. died of overdose late in the evening on Saturday August fourth nineteen, sixty, two at her Halina drive home in La. Her body was discovered before dawn on Sunday August fifth. So the following morning, she was a major sex symbol on one of the most popular Hollywood stars during the fifties and sixties and she was top billed actress for a decade and her films gross two, hundred, million dollars by the time of her death. Now she had suffered from mental illness and substance abuse for several years prior to her death and had not completed to film since the misfits which was released in nineteen sixty one. Spent nine hundred sixty one preoccupied with their various health problems and in April of nine hundred, sixty two had begun filming. Something's gotTa. Give a Twentieth Century Fox but the studio fired her in early June. She spent the last day of her life. August, fourth at her home in Brentwood she was accompanied by various times by Publicists Patricia nukem Housekeeper Eunice Murray photographer Lawrence Schiller and the psychiatrist Ralph recent. At his request Murray stayed overnight to keep Monroe Company. But approximately three am on Sunday August fifth she noticed that Monroe had locked herself in her bedroom and appeared unresponsive when she looked into the bedroom through a window. So here's my question. was there foul play involved in the death of Marilyn Monroe? Yes and no like definitely yes. No and I'll tell you why from what I see because I've tapped into her before like people made me do this. It's yes. No in the sense of that. She had problems doing addictiveness in her, but not only that besides the substance abuse, the mental illness. She was easily manipulated. And it doesn't seem like they tried to help her get cleaned. So that's why I'm saying it's yes and no foul play. It doesn't seem like their intent was to do that but it doesn't seem like they were stopping her from doing what she was doing. So they knew what was going on. I, see that they were very much aware that she what she was doing there was drinking doing drugs who excessive amount they. Knew going on they wanted to keep a quote unquote I on her but they didn't like they didn't stop it. They didn't tell learn to stop. Date they figured if it was under a and they're watching her under supervision what's the harm type of thing? So that's what I'm saying yes to. No. So is it the people that are listed? As far with her in in the how home that day that were culpable or was there somebody that kind of showed up in the night and may have spoken to her or done something is it is the is the responsibility for this amongst the list of people that I listed. The House seamer, the psychiatrist, the publicist is one of them or was it some other person? Seems I. It's The people that were there Interesting. Wow, and you think about it they probably took so much joy from all the attention they got after her death. In the think of their. Response Yeah Wow it's the people that were there the APPS that people there Of all the celebrities that people ask you to tap into who is the person that you find most people are eager to tap into. She's definitely one of them by she's for shore like top like five like without question I get like Michael Jackson a lot. Now like recently Paul Walker. I didn't getting like it's like all varies a lot of people like like old athletes like Bruce. Like just like like. It it really depends on the person but a lot of people to be honest to our goal after studio heads that pass away. Why the? Part of the problem of the metoo stuff. Interesting. Wow. interesting, and are you finding that the information that you're getting shocking or it's kind of expected because clearly you know eight years ago movie studios were covering up quite a bit of transgression. do you ever come across a reading your shocked by what you hear? Yes and it has to do with typically with the people that are involved with the person that passed away their family member was part of this. You know studio or whatever, and then you start getting to the nitty gritty type of details because they can validate that for you and stuff versus people that can and they're speculating over like news what they read it does become shocking to some extent. Yeah. Because then it's like I, don't want to believe what I'm seeing type of thing I know I just thought of one last thing. I. Want to ask you a have you ever. Have you ever seen the movie poltergeist. God's sovereign poltergeist is this crazy movie it was directed by Steven. Spielberg Heather O'Rourke was the actress in it and she was up to tell you how old she was when she died. She was this little girl blonde haired. I can show you the picture. She was only twelve when she died. So she acts in this movie called Poltergeist, which was a movie about ghosts in the House. And she passed away I'll tell you about her duck. Okay. So she died she began exhibiting flu like symptoms and the following morning she collapsed in her home and was rushed to the Community Hospital in El Cajon. And wrote she suffered cardiac arrest but paramedics were were able to restart her heart at nine twenty five subsequently flown to the Children's Hospital San Diego where it was discovered she had intestinal stenosis and went into emergency surgery. She survived the surgery but then had another cardiac arrest. And then she eventually was pronounced dead. I'm going to show you her picture. I want you to tell me if this was really. It a health issue can you see that picture? 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"Welcome Fred so the how to heretic. Kamarck I'm Michael. Dan and I am Uncle Doug. And this is your user's guide to life on the outside that's leaving. Religion is the first step into a larger better world but it can also be a scary world. Things work differently now ever fair. That's why we're here and with help from good friends and experts and all sorts of fields. We're going to share the stories and seek the knowledge to build a great life after all only get one that we know. Better make the most of. Oh my gosh guys. Hello Oh i Hack Hick you have the best. Gosh and heck in the tri-state area that's Wyoming Utah. Idaho I take it. Yeah correct so and by the way when we do have to do is show one time segment. One time about. Mormons swears for sure do that. That would be Super Fun because I think a lot of people won't believe us in Rural Mormon country is Napoleon dynamite guys that has a literal true so anyway here. We are episode one thirty nine. We are getting much much closer to the legendary episode. One forty five six weeks away. I don't know how the math works. But but it's a great and I'm going to start with a little travelogue to La Belle France. Ooh that I'm going to add to our list of colts with one so utterly benign boring. That will all gone about by next week. Yeah I feel like there's some ladies with some interesting branding. There could be people who will be forgetting about it for sure. And I'm GonNa tell you all about whether or not you should believe in the Old Testament Spoiler. You should not. Yeah probably just. It would be best for everyone if you didn't yes. Indeed not believing in the Old Testament is like staying indoors until this all blows over. Just GonNa it's just GonNa make society a lot safer and don't people out there. Don't forget we got merch. Got All kinds of great merge you can go to the how out there dot com click on heretic and the world of retail. Joy will open up before you and and you know. We're on Youtube as well. So you start by. Like what the hell else do you have to do? Go Mark says you can. You can track down specific segments. We've done our our friend. Vernon has is working on that project of getting all our segments onto YouTube. So if you have a friend who's struggling with a particular issue or a particular subject or the like you can send them a segment rather than a whole show. We do this for you. Yes for out of love. Yes of some of some kind something. Yes so with that. Let us do the show uncle. Dan Miss Your listeners. you know it it does seem like a our current reality is shitty. David right exactly. We can be comforted by the fact that pretty much every other time in history was also shitty. Yeah that make you feel better? Possibly shittier possibly possibly. I feel like right now. Is Giving the olden times a run for its money but even even with all this it is we still live in the most peaceful time in human history so yeah just for the next at least a couple of days. We live in the most peaceful time. It does seem to be threatening to to to lose that title but a okay. We'll say that sunny with a chance of sunny with a chance of apocalypse right. We never know what's going to happen. Between the time we record this and you hear it so let. Let's let's explore a time long long ago shall we fellas and lease and you know. There's never been a bad time to be a Catholic like ever whether you were a woman or a queer person or an astronomer or just a peculiar old lady who lived alone and was fond of cats since Saint Paul formerly solid. Tarsus said to himself. There's got to be a way to monetize all this madness and use a political cudgel to crush my enemies. It's been one sunny summer day for more than two thousand years. Right fellas breezy well. It turns out. It's never been a bad time to be a Catholic even for wealthy privileged and connected Catholic clergy as well Well except for this one time. Follow me if you will to the tranquility of loon France in the sleepy fourth decade of the Seventeenth Century and by tranquility I mean a nation in turmoil with the Protestant huguenot revolts. The constant crisis in palace intrigues and instabilities of the Louise and a continent in the midst of the Thirty Years War tranquil. And Yeah and it is this provincial. Apparently quite nice little town of loon France in sixteen thirty to sixteen thirty four that is the stage for today's gruesome drama that of Father Urban Gronyea and the devils of Loon I. I became aware of this story when a friend showed a nineteen year. Old Me the very fucked up and conceptual nineteen seventy-one Ken Russell Film version of this dreadful moment in history and it rattled me. I was very sensitive young guy who was working on horror movies before I'd really seen any because I found too scary horror movie in the Classic Sense. It's very disturbing. And as far as I can tell it cleaves pretty damn close to the known facts of the incident. We watched this on Halloween one year. Guys that yeah there. Yeah Yeah Yeah there you were there anyway. You were there anyway. Born into a wealthy family in fifteen ninety urban grandia entered the priesthood at a young age and was appointed by his influential uncle to be the parish priest of Ludin and also he was appointed to a more powerful position as Canon of the collegiate Church of Saint Croix ahead of several more elder more qualified but less connected candidates. He was also learning. I want that position the position of Canon. What that means he was also something most priests were not young very good looking highly educated well-spoken and apparently fun in Irreverent Way. And also a social climber having replaced the grey cruel rickety old priests the people of the town excited by Grundy grudges and his wit most especially the ladies of the town with whom he flirted. Maybe a little too okay. In fact Grundy wrote an entire book inveighing against the UNNATURAL ENFORCE CELIBACY. The priests had to endure for their whole lives. This turned more than a few heads. Welby on Lewd on including in Rome and Paris one. Such headed turned was one. You wouldn't want to turn all the way round to notice you. That'd be logging. Cardinal Armand Joan diplomacies also known as Eminence Rouge but best known to history as cardinal richelieu. Yes he the villain of the Three Musketeers. Yeah if other ground was a cheeky monkey of a social climber. Cardinal Richelieu was King Kong by the years in question. He had not only achieved the rank of cardinal within the Catholic Church but it survived loads of attempts on his position and even his life in the stabby snake. Bit of the French Royal Court to rise not only to Chief Minister of King Louis Thirteenth but also First Minister of state governor of Brittany grandmaster of the Navigation Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and Secretary of war. I love these titles. I know grand master of the navigation. Which would be awesome because I get seasick. Looking at a picture of the ocean Quite the resume after the King Ritu was the most powerful person in France and some argue that he was indeed more powerful than the young king himself so richly looks around France sees overly powerful regional nobility with their armies and fortifications sees those pesky seditious heretics the Huguenot S- occupying some of those same fortifications sees. All of it is a threat to the crown to the Church and himself and decides. That's enough of that Shit. So the orders given to have the bulk of those walls and castles torn down centralizing the authority of the of the crown as the only legitimate legal military power in the country and obviously that of the church as well so among those that resisted disorder was father GRONYEA. He didn't join the Anti Protestant forever of most of his Co. religionists of the day and kind of radically wanted to get along and even protect the Hugo. Lots of Dong this greatly irked Rish Lou. Who made his displeasure known? Grungy as response was to write a satirical poem skewering the imperious rich Lou for his pretensions to power. This it turns out to be a terrible mistake. Ground as part. Yeah so it's like that's writing the that's like thinking that you can beat trump by by pissing him off. Yeah just don't want to get involved with that just going to make an enemy for life. And he's so dumb he might actually do. Some damage is right so in addition to being a little too arrogant for such a dangerous time to charming for his own good grundy went beyond the flirting mentioned above his believed to have fathered more than one child with different women including the daughter of one of his closest allies. Louis cont the public prosecutor of loon. this infuriated. His friend who joined the growing list of ground as enemies. He even approached the young daughter of a powerful local nobleman and convinced her to marry him. Infuriating not only the family but a guy named pierre-emmanuel who'd been willing her for years who also happen to be directly connected to King Louis the thirteenth personally so grandiose arrested this whole crazy proceeding took place. It look really bad for him. But when push came to shove the case fell apart when the accusations were recanted because the families of the unwed mothers decided the shame would be too great to come forward so he got lucky but he got cocky. His luck did not last. There was a small unimportant convent of Ursuline nuns in Don and from all evidence it seems the mother superior one gene. The agnes had become obsessed with the handsome dangerously transgressive GRONYEA. I remember just because priests and nuns take vows of celibacy doesn't mean they aren't sexual creatures with all sorts of fantasies and desires any passing familiarity with the Catholic Church in the past decades proves that in the worst possible way great so she asked him to become the confessor for small clutch of nuns. He declined abruptly saying he was too busy. Refusing to even visit the convent in person so spurned and jilted she smouldered it seems Agnes made her dreams and nightmares about ground. Da Known to the man who filled the post at the convent. Greg had refused one. Father Mignon himself one of the many local despisers of ground. Gay many undecided. It was witchcraft. Perpetrated by the philandering priest the young isolated and fearful nuns under agonises under agnes began admitting to their own. Nocturnal supernatural natural visits from gronyea in an increasing hysteria. Very much like the events that led up to the Salem witch trials roasting grundy as enemies pounced including richelieu of course and he dispatched one of his lieutenants and a relative of Mother Superior Mother Spiritual and Agnes. A guy called. I'm so sorry French people what's about to happen. I gotTA call Jean La Demo To. It's like forty words long forty letters long to investigate but really to railroad GRONYEA and rid him of that infernal priest so the ursuline sisters of became something of a public spectacle with each performance necessarily needing to top the last right a grenade. It's suddenly and Aronie. Asli seemed had fucked them all in person and in spirit with the help of and in the presence of demons. The poor man's goose was cooked. The cuisine. What really sucks about? That is that he didn't even get to actually fuck them. At least autumn actually gotten some some tale out of it. Some some sweet ursuline Tail Mersal Line so the inquisitor deliberate demo bore papers from richelieu barring anyone to appeal or any civil judge or authority from interfering with his kangaroo court has part of the proceedings mislead absurd document was produced called the diabolical pact written in Latin the stupid piece of superstitious garbage sealed grandiose fate but such where the standards of evidence in this benighted aid it reads as follows we the influential. Lucifer the young Satan be L. Shabib Leviathan. Leamy asked Esther off Together with others have today accepted the Covenant Pact of Obeying Gronyea who is ours and him do promise the love of women the flower of virgins the respective monarchs honors Lusts and powers. He will go whoring three days long the carousal to to him he offers this once. In the year. A seal of blood under the feet he will trample the holy things of the church. He will ask US many questions with this pact. He will live twenty years happy on the earth of men and will later join us to sin against God Bounden. Hell the Council of Demons signed Lucifer Beelzebub Satan Esther Roth Leviathan? The seals. Place the devil. The master of the Demons Princes of the Lord Balbir with writer. Okay Gilding the Lily. Just a little bit with this thing. It's love it while you were talking. I looked this this document picture. It's hilarious it's gorgeous. I love it. It's so stupid as a kid would write it for a Halloween paint with Crayon right the signatures hysterical. A picture of it so his sentence was read out and is recorded for history and that is as follows we have ordered and do order this set urban ground duly and convicted of the crime of Magic Melfi and of causing demoniacal possession of several ursuline nuns of this tone of Don as well as other secular women together with other charges and crimes resulting therefrom. Four atonement of which we have condemned and condemn. This said Gronyea to make how exactly you say. This amendment honorable his head bare a rope around his neck holding his hand. A burning taper weighing two pounds. That seems important. How much how? Much before the principal door of the Church of San Pierre Do Marseille and that of Saint Ursula of this town there on his knees to ask pardon of the king and the law. This done he has to be taken to the Public Square of Saint Croix and fastened to a steak on scaffold which shelby erected on the said place for this purpose and to be burned alive and his ashes scattered to the wind. We have ordered and do so order that each. And every article of movable property acquired in confiscated by the King of five hundred levers I being taken for buying a bronze plaque decorating on which will be engraved the abstract of this present trial to be set up in a prominent spot in the said Church of the URSA lines to remain there for all eternity and go ahead. Sorry of well. It's almost done. And before proceeding to the execution of the present sentence we order the said ground yet to be submitted to the first and the last degrees of torture concerning his accomplices. How'd you like to be standing before the judge here here? That guys will I love it. Goes on a little bit of a journey because the first third of it is like okay. You're going to have to get on your knees and say you're sorry you were a bad boy and you gotta you gotTa think he's like. Oh Okay I could do that. Yeah no problem and then it takes a turn. He probably knew what was coming. So this is way you don't feel very motivated to do the whole a get on your knees and ask forgiveness thing when you know what's coming afterwards regardless of what you do great at that point I would get I would never get. I would be like you get to see my middle fingers forever now. Yeah it's Kinda hard to get motivated after that sentence but so this is going to get gruesome be warned. He was fastened to a board with his legs. Laid in immovable. Planks Day Lombardo. His torturers carefully exercised all the implements of demons could not eat grundy pain although then set to work pounding wedges between the plankton. His legs shattering his leg bones. After each blow he was given the opportunity to confess which he would not after forty five minutes or so. Something called the Spanish boot was fastened to his ankle and foot. Think of it is like it's kind of an iron ski boot full of spikes that's also vice and after being made red hot in the fire. It's crackdown on the body until it totally shatters the bones and destroys the flash. He was then ordered to be put to what the court called. The extraordinary question were the mouth is wedged open and gallons of water forced down the throat. Think of waterboarding but with a fire hose so yeah despite these agonies. He never confessed because of course he couldn't he didn't use demons to possess these women. That's not a thing for fucks sake. So right and what would goodwood confessing him. They weren't going to let him off the hook. Exactly it might as well have that last bit of integrity before the Ray. So they dragged him in a donkey cart to the square where his enemies were seated in a VIP grandstand congratulating each other and celebrating with wine as his legs and feet were pulp. He was unable to stand so he was tied to the stake. Seated on an iron chair in the humane standards of the day he was going to be strangled prior to the fire. He gets to speak but the priests through water in his face and smashed them in the mouth with an iron crucifix so he couldn't as a last act of mean girl barbarity. The executioner found the inquisitors had tied the customary strangling rope nuts preventing him from administering a slightly more humane murder and then they lit the pyre before he could improvise another garage so a very conscious grounded screamed until the fire filled his lungs to the horror. Shock and delight of the thirty thousand assembled witnesses his enemies in the VIP Section Sang and toasted their success. Framing this problematic but ultimately innocent man. The appearance of a large black fly buzzing around the condemns head confirmed for his murderers that he was indeed guilty as it was surely Elza Bob Lord of the flies. That's his actual title. There you go. As gruesome an injustice horror was philosopher. Michelle de sertow believes it marked a key milestone for the emergence of Europe out of the Medieval period and toward the enlightenment. It was one of the last and certainly one of the most high profile trials for witchcraft in France. And even those that we're ambivalent about GRONYEA saw it as a farce and a miscarriage of justice. Add that that. Many of the nuns recanted during and after the trial including shockingly the mother superior and it's speculated now as as was even at the time that the silly diabolical pact. I read to You. A MINUTE. Ago was an agnes own very particular handwriting. So I haven't read the nineteen fifty two Aldous Huxley Nonfiction Novel About. This nightmare called the levels of Ludin but as I mentioned before the nineteen. Seventy one film. The Devil's based on Huxley's Book Is Pretty Bananas. And like I said seems to track with what's known about these events despite being a little conceptual and psychedelic not a family. Film just watching. So that's guys I guess. It's a cautionary tale about being two pretty pissed off powerful people and a reminder that church state separation and impartial non corrupt judicial systems are good things so we should try to keep those or or establish and feel like you've left. The main question unanswered which is is the plaque still around. I never I didn't think to look that up. It may may be. I don't know if the I don't know if the convent is still there. Yeah there you go I was. That was fun. Yeah so there you go everybody. I saw sister proctor with the devil. Let's move on. Hey Mark Yes. Yes uncle Dan Listen I I'm having a party over at my house. I hope you'll come to it. I'm going to be selling. I'm going to be teaching you how you can make a fortune selling a product that. I think you'll really believe in. Tell Me More I. There's no way you can lose. Because here's what you do you get you know five or six people selling under you. Sure they get people selling to them and the money just flows up. That's right shut up and take my freedom right executive triangle. Yeah it's like A. Yeah like a DOE deca Hebron. Yeah it's like a building that's fat on the bottom and skinny at the top. Something like kind of shape but more more straight lines exactly. You've you've heard of those right uncle Doug I have and I'm I'm here to talk to you about that today. Well dear uncles last week. We reviewed the many many cults. We have covered in the past few years searching for insights. That might help us. Guide help guide us through our current unpleasantness. I feel like we didn't really land where we needed to that. Which is just that. Donald Trump is trying to turn us all into the gang. Exactly didn't get there. I think that was one of the main takeaways. The editor takeaways from That were Don't be in a cult and man. There's a lot of cults and in fact we have covered so many damn colts that I have forgotten about cults that were my own segments. Yeah often share so many traits and trajectories so they can blend together and slide down the memory hole and such is the case with the Colt. I'm going to talk about today. Nexium that was cult of fighting heartburn. Yes exactly not to be confused with the Proton pump. Inhibitor used to treat heartburn nexium that spelled capital and capital X. Capital is capital V. Capital M. looks like the date of a football game or Or or one of Elon Musk's children U. You step mccown. You didn't tell me of. Ya not to be confused with Ilan Elon. Musk and grimes baby was ex- a EA dash one two. How do you? How do you say that name? Apparently it's pronounced ash because you don't have to be in a cult too stupid you don't think he'll on. Moscow's an occult. Well I think what if he could however if the alternative is being named Grimes Musk. This baby probably dodged the bullet. Nexium is really only notable. Because it's currently in the news and not for any good reasons mostly from a pair of New York Times articles. Chronicling the colts undoing other than that the twists and turns of the story or so predictable and familiar that I defy anyone to remember them next week. I'm looking forward to this now. I'm in so nexium and its founder. Keith Ranieri Def- definitely looked at the menu of past and present colts and borrowed heavily from mormonism in particular but especially from Scientology. Not so much the theology of scientology but the tactics in how to manage the their members so Born in Brooklyn in nineteen sixty Keith. Ranieri quickly got into the self-help and get rich quick schemes that abounded in the nineteen eighties and the nineties. In the early ninety s he created a business called consumers byline. I don't know if you guys you might remember. This was kind of big for a while. Know what was it? Extensively helped members find bargains. Like you became a member and they would put you on the scent of you know cheap this or cheap that this is pre internet days right but it turned out to be a pyramid scheme so egregious that. Ranieri was permanently banned from working in that field in New York undeterred. He founded nexium in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight near Albany. New York with Nancy Saltzman. It is one of the many staff positions of this podcast that one should always be weary of movements to get their start in upstate. New York The company was a personnel personal development company that offered executive success programs or which for a price were designed to help members take control of their lives and achieve. Success sound familiar. It feels like it should be merged with trump university trumpy. It didn't take long for certain cult like behavior to show up. Though in order to take the classes one had to be invited by a member. And then fill out an extensive questionnaire that next would use nexium people would use to pinpoint weaknesses and weed out skeptics. Sound familiar during these. Sp's members would put recruits through vigorous interviews drilling down hard on past experiences and TRAUMAS and recording this information for future blackmailing purposes. Yeah Gosh sound familiar. They're just scientologists. Essentially really really want to be scientologists. That's that's a bad place to be right right when you're when when you're like what business model should we emulate. I Dunno how about L. R. H. Up to sixteen thousand people enrolled in nexium classes over the years but the vast majority of whom took only a couple of glasses and moved on and among that population there were some scenic significant figures including former surgeon General Antonio Novello and reportedly Richard Branson took a couple nexium classes but Because what that guy really needs. Some business instruction appearance so many people in Olympic on for so long right a lot of people continued on with next to him and became became consumed by cutting themselves off from their families and turning over their life. Savings Nexium was particularly interested in recruiting recruiting trust funders and celebrities. Yeah he's among the celebrities. Recruited were some minor. Tv stars such as Linda. Evans Nikki Klein. Grace Park. Allison Mack. Did you know that Linda Evans also belongs to the Ramtha cult? No Shit to cope the yeah she was. She was yelling at during that drunk tirade. Oh that's right. Yeah Yeah and these are all pretty. Bela celebrities I mean Tom Cruise and John Travolta have very much been spoken for Allison Mack. The last mentioned was actually a star of a TV series called smallville. Yeah and she will factor pretty pretty prominently in what follows the color personality around founder Ranieri and Saltzman began to take shape during ESP's he was to be referred to as vanguard prefect. Why Prefect okay. Yeah whatever he started address and grow his hair out grew and he claimed that amongst his personal mythology. He claimed that he spoke in full sentences by the age of One mastered High School Mathematics by twelve and taught himself to play concert level piano by sixteen seventeen. Their belief system was pretty thin gruel. Mostly it was no Malcolm of New Age self-help Gobbledygook they recited a twelve step mission. Statement written by Ron Carey Era Sorry Vanguard in each esp. Here's just a couple of these twelve step points. Read them all ridiculous but these. Here's the bullet points. There are no ultimate victims therefore I will not choose to be a victim success in my own. Right is my earned success. What true success is never at the expense of others and it's a nice. Are we doing thing about Deepak Chopra now? I thought we were talking about vanguard. It's a derp circle yeah And then the last one will read is a world successful. People will be a better world indeed K. Wow thanks depth is really. It's not to be fathomed. It's real heavy scratchers. This was not a lot to this cult but as adherents continued to go deeper and deeper things started to get weird. Nexium began to gather intelligence on local politicians in case they ever needed to blackmail them. Governor Eliot Spitzer New Jersey attorney general and Milgram Senator Chuck Schumer and Roger Stone among others. it seems that they assume political mischief scientology's operation snowflake but never really got off the ground. So why not snowflake? Yeah WHATEVER WRECK. Air Jesus Christ you were. You were wrong to do. They were talking to prevent members from reading unapproved new sources or interacting with their families. San Familiar Rene even found that his own news organization to spread propaganda to his members which he humbly called the knife of Aristotle so as Ranieri developed his belief system under strange the mazing under his leadership. Some you know his up started doing some strange shit. One higher up member named Dr Brandon Porter would take the strapping women to a machine that recorded brainwave activity and showed them horribly. Violent films. Real people actually being murdered and dismembered and then mumbling recorded their brain activity. What's Weird Shit? Prediction I'll bet they didn't like it. Just it's pretty says he says before gets afraid that we might veer into Antioch Kids Territory. Don't worry What comes next is bad but not anywhere near that bad. Ranieri did start talking about past lives and he claimed that many of his higher up followers were reincarnated Nazis. Thank God he was a Nazi Hunter. What sense does that make a no no less a place in the in the history of than that he's GonNa tell me who wasn't a pastor Heinrich Himmler why I know it's strange hair. Garbo's is that you really. I think one of his higher ups was gurgles anyway. Fuck all of this cold cold lake behavior to fleece the hell out of the members and to groom women for Inari sexual appetites shocking and this really all got out of hand would in the early twenty teens. Actress ALLISON MARCH REMEMBER. Her started an organization within nexium called. Daas. Dos which stands for dominance obsequious Ceram which is supposed to be a Latin phrase meaning master over slave women wet. But isn't I know right Because dominance does mean master but a sequence in Latin means obsequious right at Sorority doesn't mean women so whatever but yeah there was this guy. Was You guys if you hear me Yell Bingo at any time my cult. Bingo card is lit checking all the boxes out. There was a lot of a slave slave master mentality in this cult. So once woman was sufficiently brainwashed an isolated she would be selected by MAC and others to be initiated into this cult within a cult and they would be naked held down a massage table and branded with the initials of Ranieri. This branding was just above the hip and was done with Qatar rising iron and can take up to thirty minutes. Oh my God excruciating pain. You need a better brander right. How about just a brand exactly fucking rising iron? It's like a soldering iron. Good with my hands. I could be in and out fifteen minutes. The scar that was left behind was grotesque and it further isolated these women from the outside world for fear of having the brand discovered now and these women of course would then be sex slaves for an eerie by two thousand sixteen and Seventeen. The pressure from enough former members and families of current members caused a federal investigation which led to the arrest of Gary in two thousand eighteen on several charges including sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit forced labor in that same year. Allison Mack was arrested on similar charges. And at this point the meagre house of cards fully collapsed in two thousand. Nineteen Nancy salesman. Who was one of the original? Founders pleaded guilty guilty to racketeering and criminal conspiracy. Dr Porter lost his medical license. Because of his experiments at this point at least fourteen other nexium leaders have been charged with crimes ranging from racketeering sex trafficking and their cases are winning their way through the legal system as we speak so as of today. Nexium has basically ceased to exist. The cult's assets have been seized. Its leaders imprisoned. It doesn't even have a website anymore and deer uncles. I wish that that sounded familiar right. Yeah Yeah I mean you're absolutely right. It's a little bit shocking to hear how the system actually work. Yeah they dismantled. This thing's soup to nuts so really so it is amazing. I mean there was obviously barbarity and and you know probably a a spectrum of sexual crimes but a cult came and went without a body count right. There appears not to have been any fatalities. I might be wrong. Conc- Any associated with this. I don't know suicides are directly linked. But I was. I was going to ring the big first time. Occult didn't end in in mass death bell that we have out here to heretic. But we don't have that bill. I forgot melt that bell. That's crazy a little bit about these guys but I just. It looked too much like you know. Just look too much like a Silicon Valley Story to me so I never really read truly was I mean it was. It was based out of New York Vancouver and parts of California but yet so long. Nexium all right. Well let's let's put them in the graveyard of the whatever. Yeah that's I I'm actually loving it. Let's let's move on a hopeful. It's a hopeful show today gentleman. Hello Hello feel the love pouring over you can who fled pancakes for sure. It's beautiful and it. Sticky sweet and a whole bunch of our our friends and listeners have decided they are going to contribute to the to the pouring. So we've got some folks to thank who have given us who decided to become patrons and give some of their money. So thanks so much to sky to Ashley to Claire. To motherfucking some ablaze motherfucker Jones. And let's see. I think it might be my turn to do a saint. We've got a saint. I needed to bestow uncle mark your turn you do are Saint Matthew Matthew again also the name of the Saint so this is just you just doubling up on on the on the Protection San Word and exactly you matthew. You are extremely deserving of protection and patronage of Saint Magnavox of three lakes Wisconsin two beautiful little town and she is the patron saint of the naturally of the nineteen sixty seven oldsmobile cutlass supreme in Sage Green. She's also the state of nervous Pancreas Syndrome. And and of course Iceland strongman. Magnus Magnusson good stuff. So congratulations I think you're completely covered so so if you ever have a problem with magnus you don't get on his bad side. Did you do that dead? Lift just the other day. No that wasn't him. That was the another guy that wasn't magnusson guy who plays the mountain. I will not have you correct me twice in one episode. Well you better not want go for a third here. Because I'm on a hot streak spit doug before before you to get into a fight. I am going to give you a job And that is the you need to give a heaven. That's right my dear friend Lucas. Who has earned his place in among the stars. Well Lucas many years from now when your tender heart finally gives out under the strain of several pounds of cocaine and an earth shattering or at the hands of a team of talented models in the grotto of your mansion. Darkness will surround you but as it does you will feel no no fear no pain and no regret you've lived a life you've lived a full and meaningful life except for that unfortunate incident with the soccer team after the plane crash. You have been good and kind and no you'll be rewarded Warm Green begins to resolve itself into your view and you realize that you were moving forward. The Green Blur focuses into a forest filled with tall rugged pine trees far off in the distance tall rugged granite mountains cat with stunningly white rugged glaciers. You're flying no plane. No Hang Glider just you majestic is an eagle gliding over the tree. Tops UP AHEAD. You see road sign parting the sea a road part in the forest and you swap right to follow it. You moving very fast. But if you're not mistaken. The road is full of potholes. No matter what need do you have a road anyway. A large sign appears on the horizon spanning the road. You slow down to read it and as you draw near large rugged letters it says L. Liberal area that's fucking weird you down to see the letters W. O. T. and an lying randomly in the street. It takes you a second but then you realize what the sinus supposed to say. Welcome to Libertarian. Heaven Okay Lucas. I'm not sure if you were a libertarian in real life but with a manly rugged name Lake Lucas. This is where you belong. You relied upon the ground and walk under the sign into a beautiful rugged mountain town at first glance. It's what's the word rugged. All the houses are log cabins with firewood. Stacked up next vegetable gardens manly men in lumberjack. Plaid strut around with axes slung over their shoulders. Heading off for a hard day's work you strong women and overalls and boots mingling. The town square each of them also has an ax over their shoulder. You definitely notice that everyone here is white. This is libertarian. Having after all but you soon start to notice the things that are a little bit off the log. Cabins are all in various states of disrepair nearly all have dirty or damaged pickup trucks on blocks in the driveway. The streets are indeed full of Potholes. And each of the people you see have faces that are in a word rugged most have long broken noses and large scars visible from yards away. You hit your head begins to swim and you want nothing more than to find your house and get a glass of water you ask the nearest gentlemen if you could help you when he responds here. Libertarian Heaven we help ourselves. This is a rugged town full of rugged individuals if I were to help you while. That'd be socialism you tell 'em you just trying to find out which houses yours and he responds while since you new here. I'm going to help you out just this once you see friend. Any one of these houses are yours. You just pick anyone you want. You look down the street at the Motley Collection of dilapidated structures and wonder what you should choose. The man ads as he starts to turn away. You're GonNa need an axe though. Excuse me you say well you can have any house you want. But you're going to have to kill whoever lives there. You really want an axe for that holy shit you think have to kill for a house. The man sentence you're surprised explains look for and this place is paradise. It's just that if you want something. You gots to kill the person what's got it take what's yours defend it. It's a lie. Free of tyranny of rules and government understand. You Stare blankly at him unsure. What COMES NEXT? He points his acts up up up to the soon to be setting sun and offers best getting act soon before the sun goes down. What happens then you ask the nightly purge of course? Somehow you must have the wherewithal to ask. Where can I get an axe? The man turns around as he walks away and says over shoulder. I'd find a feller with an accent. Kill him good luck so Lucas. There's no running water. No ELECTRICITY NO BASIC SERVICES. That road suck. There's no Internet. There are no people of color. And it's basically the final thirty minutes of the movie downfall but you are from any government overreach onerous rules and stifling regulation so enjoy your thirty of nightly acts warfare. Wow an internal GOLTZ Goltz. Congratulations Lucas. Sounds like joy that yeah. Listen if you dear listener. Who isn't Lucas are thinking yourself? Wow I could sure use a slice of whatever it was the Doug just gave Lucas. You can go to how to heretic. Dot Com and And follow the link to the Patriarch where you can start to donate to us. And that's a nice thing to do and if you can't afford to do that which a few of us can't because it's you know we we got this This pandemic on this depression on please feel more than free to give us five stars only five stars at any of your finer podcast purveyors and will sure appreciate you there. Doug here my you know. Sometimes there's an old expression which is out with the old and in with the new it was. What the Hell do you have to lose? What and what the hell they have to lose to throw out. The old and in with the new is how that works. So it's what I don't know as when to do that or if to do that right you know what I mean. That's my confusion now. I'm not a boomer. I'm almost a boomer. So some vices they vex me but maybe we maybe uncle. Dan can help us with some some tech support with the rules here. Sure have you ever tried to do tech support for boomer? It's the worst. Yeah Anyway I we'll see if you can figure out how to turn off the PODCAST ANYWAY. Out FULL OF WATER. Perfect timing did did you do not? I kept entirely into my nasal cavities. So Save the day all right. Well guys on this podcast. We have talked a lot about the bat shit buffoonery. That is the Old Testament of the Bible. Just last week I dove into the story of Saul seeking the wisdom of his enemy. Samuel with the help of a psychic medium. It's a gold mine of utter nonsense and we can plunder it for years and not be disappointed. But here's the problem as former members of a quasi Christian called we've been using these X. explications as bludgeons against Christianity. Look how stupid the Christians are they. They think there's a guy they are. They think a guy who tortures hundreds of Fox's for a personal vendetta is a hero in our arrogance look at Christian foolishness. They think that a god who drowns every person on earth except one family is good and moral we laugh from our imagined ivory tower look at their tasting. Close this week loudly in public pointing and snickering as they weep. Look I'm I'm I'm just kidding about the last one but I mean we say that. But we'd say quietly to each other when they can't hear anyways we're we're good people were good people. What I'm getting at is that we think of these stories into the madness. That is the Old Testament as a means of discrediting Christianity. What I'm wondering today is are we wrong about that? Is it possible that we're pointing the Were pointing the wrong. Ding dongs when we make fun of the Old Testament after all the Old Testament is the Jewish book. Is it not the first five books genesis through Deuteronomy Depend Tuke as it is known the Big Five? The pros constitute the basis for Jewish law. All of those verses in Leviticus that we've had so much fun with are still supposedly the foundations of all the Jewish code. They're the ones who at least on paper are still practicing all that stuff. So why all this time have we talked like we've been making fun of Christians? Wouldn't it be more proper to say we've been making fun of Jews over all along? Well yes and no on one hand yes. Jewish religious beliefs and practices are utterly ridiculous and the Torah. They love is stupid. As we've so often pointed out on the other hand picking on Jews historically led to the bad look things sector of listeners. There's a certain sector of listeners. We aren't trying to recruit to the show correct correct so yes but that still leaves us with a tricky question. Does the Old Testament actually apply to Christian pretty much all Christians included in their scriptures which would indicate that the totally applies. But then let me do a little calculating here carry the two over X. divided by Pi exactly zero percent of Christians actually live by the six hundred thirteen commandments of the Torah. Or even the three hundred sixty nine commandments that the Jewish people still professed to self apply fewer than that well. You didn't do the research I with that number to disagree on something anyway. As a matter of fact there are only ten old testament laws that you ever hear Christians talking about and if pressed the vast majority probably can't even name all of them. So what's the deal? They profess a whole series of books. Thirty nine if they're Protestant fortieth forty-six if Catholic and more of their Weirdos like the Orthodox Christians that they promptly ignore guys like can ham which I just realized sounds like a star. Wars name saying that all the answers are in genesis but then they totally disregard the laws of Lou Vikas Deuteronomy all. How's that okay right? Well it all comes down to Jesus. The whole idea of Christianity is that Judaism was correct but then the Messiah came and now we all follow him. He changed the game entirely. He said we could eat whatever we want. For example in mark seven he said quote. Don't you see that? Nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them for for. It doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach and then out of the body boom those are back on the menu. God I've been hankering for now right. I just I gotta say. I read a comment in a youtube video that I that I watched this and the guy was very adamant that what that scripture actually met was not that we could just eat. Whatever we wanted but it doesn't defile you when you eat the thing it's when it comes out of you as poop that you're defiant. Well then if you just never poof notify yeah I personally love that scripture because it marked you know in history of very very good day for breakfast but a very day for pigs one hundred percent absolutely anyway look Romans. Seven goes much further in terms of letting go of the old laws It somewhat confusingly us that when Christ died so did his followers connection to the old law quote but now by dying to what wants to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Oh Yeah we're maybe we're maybe we're not supposed to obey those old laws. Galatian chapter three versus twenty four and twenty five or a little less confusing and even more straightforward so. The law was our Guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come we are no longer under a guardian meaning the Law Right. Hebrews eight verse. Thirteen is even more explicit by calling this covenant new. He has made the old or sorry. He has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear will suck on that Moses. I wish yeah right. You're out of date you're done son. I mean if I were a Christian I'd be a little worried by the prediction that the mosaic law would quote soon disappeared ahead to the office. Moses boom I think you know considering the fact that there are still plenty of Jewish people around the world practicing those laws two thousand years later that that disappearing soon thing might be problematic but soon can mean a lot of things. So what are the new laws? What are the rules? Jesus is using to replace the hundreds of old laws laws that encompass everything from how you cut your hair to where you're supposed to stand when your friend goes to get something to secured a loan that you're giving him well. Christians are pleased to announce that they've boiled it all down to one law which is outlined in Galatian. Five for the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command. Love your neighbor as yourself Only law now instead of driving yourself bonkers trying to remember whether you can or can't eat squirrels or how many birds you're supposed to sacrifice every month for the sin of menstruating. There's only one to remember. It's so easy. Yeah so if the New Testament is so clear that everybody can disregard the old covenant then why do Christian still read the damn thing? Why why do they see it as anything but an outdated bunch of writing by theological primitives? It's the Bible silly. Obviously you can't say one thing very clearly without also presenting the exact opposite point just as clearly some sometimes on the same page indeed literally a few times. The New Testament constantly refers to the Old Testament as holy scripture. In Luke Chapter Twenty Four Jesus tells his followers about how important they are Which makes about how important they meaning the Old Testament? Laws are which makes sense considering. He's positioning himself to be the fulfillment of so many of the prophecies in right. You can't be the Messiah that the Old Testament has promised if the Old Testament is bullshit. Am I right it tracks so yeah so Paul says to his main man timothy quote all scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching rebuking correcting and Training and righteousness can now considering the fact that the Old Testament was kind of a work in progress. At that moment Paul could only have been referring to the old shit and then there's the coup de Gras the big. Daddy it's Jesus his very self just five chapters into the New Testament in bright red letters. Giving the most important sermon in the whole book. The sermon on the Mount. This is Matthew Chapter Five. Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them for truly I tell you until heaven. Unearth disappear not the smallest letter not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called in will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pretty conclusive yes me. Yeah have it straight from the horse's mouth it's clear as day? The old laws still apply. Yup of course it's the Bible so he spends the rest of the sermon talking about how obsolete the old laws think. Jesus was the perfect cult leader. He was dynamic and uplifting with radical ideas that were so simple that they barely meant anything at all. The only laws love sounds great. Until you try practicing it for a while and then suddenly realized that my version of loving you is bumping up against your version of loving me. And even when everybody's love loving everybody else disputes. Still pop up and somebody's got to sort it all out. That's why you have to have a second guy young to follow your Josephson's rights David Cabbage to follow your l Ron Hubbard monon she sheila to your Bhagwan Rajini hard-nosed asshole who lays down the law after the first guy sets up the pretend utopia well. That was Paul's job and it was impossible. There's too many circles to square. You can't just you just can't do it. The answer is always both so in his second letter. To current to the Corinthians Paul came up with the out that has fucked up Christianity. Ever since the concept that could very possibly be responsible for turning America into the dystopia on Shit Burning Don dumpster. Fire that it is today. The idea that everything is wrong and everything is right and a righteous person has all the tools they need to figure it out for themselves quote. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant. Not the letter of but the but not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life for La competent problem solve and now everybody thinks that they know better than the experts on everything. Yeah great thanks Paul. What an ASS. I don't think I've come to. I don't think I've come to any decent conclusions on whether or not the Christian should give up on the Old Testament. I think they'd be crazy crazy to hold onto it because it is as we've discussed many times stupid and terrible and terrible and yet they can't let go of it because Jesus told them up but they let go the thing is they let go of almost all of it right like the dietary restrictions. The you know the bylaws about how to treat slaves of the laws all of the law. Yeah let go of entirely except that top ten yep which are kind of meaningless because everybody understands that in just sort of by nature. Let's be honest. The only people who know the entirety of the ten commandments are atheists also. This is the problem with malleable ideology. If it can mean anything it also means nothing and and the Bible is is a perfect example of the meaninglessness of an ideology so I think the American Christian heart lies in the Old Testament not in the new even though they they've kind of have Jesus is this Potemkin village frontman but one hundred percent. Do they do love the Old Testament laws for other people ranking as a gay man my whole life heard what an abomination to the to the. Lord. I am right up there with oysters right. So you're almost as bad as an oyster mine. Bad Lesser Owl. But they're happy for those to apply to other people but never to themselves right and it's so interesting I literally. I read this amount for this piece in part because one of the one of the articles that I read was one. That sort of rocked. Christianity was written. I think last year by a guy. I don't remember his name but anyway it was it was it asked the question. Why are Christians trying to get the ten commandments up on you know in courthouses and whatever? Why aren't they trying to get the b the the sermon on the Mount Up? They're trying to get the beatitudes up there right. So I read through the sermon on the Mount. I you know what I would i. I can't imagine a modern American Christian actually believing that stuff all this love about turn the other cheek literally. It says if a guy hits you you're supposed to let him hit you again. Would that really is if you send it and hit him back. If you see someone in public wearing a mask you should spit in their face is. That's the meaning of that right. That's right that's the thing. Is that this fealty for the Old Testament By Christians over the new is. This is not what we're trying to talk about today but it helps explain Donald Trump because donald trump is nothing like the character of Jesus whatsoever. But he's always very much like several old testament characters including Raven. Yeah Yeah it's it's kind of it's kind of astounding when you realize that these quote unquote followers of Jesus have so little to do with what Jesus actually ever said. Yeah Eb if you're not if you're not in their group and you know going to their church and following the rules that their pastor has set down date fuck you can go to you and the fuck loving you. They'RE GONNA HATE I. I find that the more demonstrative Christian person is like when you see you know Christian in. Somebody's twitter bio they are borderline evil. They're it is the cruelty that is the entirety of the Old Testament. That they're spitting out into the world. Right they they they're Jesus is just window-dressing and right and I think he's partly at fault because of what he said. He allegedly said the alleged person. Yeshua on in the sermon on the mount that I am. I am the laws right right. I nothing changes so I just I just love the he said Love Everybody. Let them hit you if they want to give them everything. Give up everything. Don't be rich and then Paul said Yeah but you can discern for yourself and everybody was like cool. I'm GonNa hit people and be right. Yeah right exactly because it's you know it's to aspire to the the expectations Jesus put on. His followers is hard ride. Like it's give away everything you own for the Kingdom of God and follow me and all that shit but aspiring to King Cyrus or to David in the Old Testament is easy because terrible people and more emotionally satisfying because you don't deprive yourself of anything. You're just busy depriving other people of whatever you know you think is a problem right because you love them mark because you love the love of Jesus and and you know David is the perfect example of like an American Christian. You can be as long as you are quote chosen or as long as you are quote saved. Nothing else matters. None of your behavior matters. Look at King David. Right so I think it's a problem guys. I imagine I imagine the guy. The guys who marched into the Michigan State House with their guns screaming at these cops and whatever and then I imagined reading to them the passage where Jesus says yet. It's bad to murder but you know what it also is. It's bad to be mad at somebody right. It's bad to call somebody names and equates them he says it's just as bad. You're going to be judged for that too and you tell that to those guys they will not be able to hear you. I guarantee you know so I if if they truly want to believe that the the Old Testament still doesn't a effect every corner of their lives than they should stop selling as a match fucking set exactly exactly so get out there and go to your parents place in rip out the Old Testament for them just to take the new with it. That's problematic as well. So yeah I mean. That's a lot of good rolling papers for all you. 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Subscribe Today on the iheartradio APP Apple podcasts casts or wherever you get your podcast hi everybody. This is eastern engineer Here on wind down with Janet Kramer and Michael Costin working on this show has been an absolute dream dream. Come true for me personally. I am a huge Janner Kamer fan and this shows so much fun and it's such a joy to be a part of this. I want to thank everybody out. Author Listening Over the last year. We've really appreciated your support and We love having you guys come out to the live shows and and everything Everything guys do. He's just the best fans in the world So we're We're going into a New Year's going into twenty twenty so we thought we would take this opportunity to play One of the more popular episodes from the last year. I don't WanNa see. This is my favorite episode because it was It was ten. I don't WanNa say it was my favorite because I enjoyed The What happened in it but I think it's an important episode sewed and that's why we're gonNA play this one once Once it gets going you'll you'll know what I'm talking about. It's a it was a very Crucial episode for Janet and Michael and I think it gave us a lot of insight into their relationship and all the work that they do So I once again thank you so much for listening to the show. Oh and all your support we love you guys so please enjoy and this special episode of winedown Jana Kramer and have a happy and safe a new year wind down with Jana Kramer and Michael Casa and IHEART radio and people's choice award nominated podcast. Okay so I'm really excited because we have Catherine Oxen Berg in studio. Okay Catherine I. It's a fascinating story. How before we jump into it? Do you know Sarah Edmonson. I do New York and okay so we did a movie together about Gosh it was a year and a half ago no two years ago two years ago and I and it's it's so weird now thinking back to our conversation because I I remember her saying some kind of weird weird weird things but it was it was off and then all of a sudden I saw her on dateline and I was like Oh my God. I did a a hallmark movie with her a Christmas movie. Yeah and so I- i- instagram'd her and I was just like hey 'cause I know that she you know. She talked all about being in his nexium calls and she has her book that just came out. And so I just didn't know how big or small that world was and if you knew of her or you know if if because your daughter was the one that was in the nexium colts correct that is correct. Yeah I definitely met Sarah Through nexium when it was cold executive success program which was the humor or facing company that she was a coach for and so yeah in the beginning she was big recruiter and And I didn't really have anything to do with the organization. I stopped taking classes pearly in two thousand thirteen but my daughter stated and she remained to coach and became very involved and Sarah was quite high up and as far as owning a center in Vancouver and being responsible for bringing in I don't know maybe thousands of people but then that's kind of what I was like. I felt like she was trying to bring me into something so I remember being like it was just very strange and I was like no. I'm not really like I'm good. You know but and then I was just like oh my gosh. It's all all connected while. She's very charismatic. She's really sweet. Terrible person and I can see why she was a great recruiter and and I can see why she's a great whistle blow to she is the same passion And she's the one who when I I was told about what was really going on. which would have been April of two thousand seventeen in that? My daughter had probably been branded I met with Sarah and she showed me her brand an honor Blatt right no. It's not on on her. But it's like a on Earth Pelvic Area Helvig area that's GonNa Front and her to date is the only brand that I've actually seen. But she and I were in the first New York Times article that broke the story originally and got the attention of the government and then I went ballistic on a warpath with from one media outlet to the other until 'til okay. So let's just start over then so okay now that we got. Let's start from the beginning. So you you and your daughter went to this Class I'll let you kind of started off did it start Innocently it was a self help leadership program. My daughter's about start a business. Sarah Edmonson was one of the coaches roaches in that first clause It I've done a lot of self help. It didn't seem particularly original. My daughter loved it from the beginning. I think would hooked me a little bit was they did these emotional processes that UNHOOK creativity. Oh what they considered you know any limitations that you have and what's actually happening running as their unhooking your gut and they're starting to dismantle your personality but it feels good and a lot of these. Large Group Awareness. Trainings used very similar techniques. I think that that probably Keith Renewal. Though he says his material was proprietary and you'd sign and DA. I think most of it was plagiarized from other of these well-known well known trainings whether it be esther landmark or scientology. I think that he stole a lot of stuff. So the not you know but My my daughter got very involved and there was a huge emphasis on recruitment and they were making a lot of money. People are one point Catherine did you you kind of read between the lines and realize this isn't exactly what we signed up for and get yourself out and then like. Why was there such a discrepancy in time? Between when you you got yourself out and then getting your daughter Indio knows an interesting thing that you say get you know getting myself out. I never really considered myself in because I just took classes losses and there was a huge difference between somebody who was taking the occasional class versus somebody who signed up for the coach path which Sarah was a coach and they those people were taking this program seriously and they're the ones that they considered to be really dedicated to improving humanity Like there was a big emphasis on on the the doctrine and on on Keith Ranieri who they called the vanguard so I never really got in. I just took classes and then I'm like you know what this is. Where but the reason I wrote a book which came out actually last year was because those warning signs? If I'd recognize that they were dangerous. Voces just thinking okay. So these quirky people I would have run away. I would have never expose my daughter to anything as dangerous dangerous as this is just set. I I was naive. I didn't really understand how these groups work and I didn't understand the process of indoctrination on how easy it is to kind of hijacked. Somebody's these mind without you being aware. So was India. Branded India was brand new. I didn't intervention without which was made two thousand seventeen and I point blank off turf. She'd been branded and she didn't lie. which was strange because everyone within the organization is taught to light everybody on the outside so I think that she was getting? Were the things that you saw that were that was off. Okay so In the beginning she became a little more distant she she became a little bit more serious. She felt more burden to me. But it could have been you know okay. So one of the heads of the organization Nancy Saltzman who was higher than Sarah told me. We'll India's individualizing and so you I could I could. I could buy that. No she was a young woman and she was separating from me and her family and she was trying to find her own way so a lot of the symptoms that are like wow doesn't feel like my daughter anymore doesn't have that kind of brightness and that joyful spirit I didn't know that this these were symptoms of her actually having her personality dismantled and taking on a cult persona and that's what happened happened she slowly but surely started to change and it was so slow at such a slow drip that it wasn't until it was too late that I realized that they'd taken and that show. What are you taking her? What what what does that consist of well again steps? I becoming a coach in so isolating her creating a new family separating Ho from her loved ones how am in suggesting she break up with her boyfriend then involving her twenty four seven in the organization recruiting being people making it her life then moving to open a New York. which was the epicenter of the group so slowly but surely the years go by? She's living in Albany. She's given up pull her possessions in La. She's given up her friends. And she's leading this new life in service of Keith Ranieri. Suddenly she's Allison. Allison Mack's slave and you go. What the hell happened and It wasn't until like I. I'm apparent of several kids and really proud of the way that a parent is that I try and let my kids make their own mistakes. I try not interfere. TRY NOT TO BE HELICOPTER PARENT But it you know giving giving really really adhering to giving them the dignity of their own process of adulting but when I found out that she was actually in physical dangerous the moment that I like my maternal instincts just went haywire haywire. And I I did everything I could to get her out. What danger did you see? What danger do you know that she was in effect? A cold me up mid April two thousand seventeen and said you have to save her. And I'm like Okay from what. And she said well she's involved in this secretive slave Mazda group. That's supposed supposed to be a female leadership program within nexium. But actually it's a recruiting funnel for sex for Keith. It's based on a slave Mazda hierarchy and allison mack. DOC is her master and she's being forced to recruit slaves. She's probably branded. She's on a five hundred calorie a day diet. She sleep-deprived She signed a lifetime vow. Obedience obedience to Keith. And to the organization like she just she read off this list of things and I'm like how does self-help turned into sex trafficking. How does that even happen? And so the first thing that I did was I went to see a specialist in an intervention. I brought it back to la pretending. It was a birthday I felt horrible. I'd never been duplicitous with my daughter. I mean we have such that. We had such a great relationship found out from my daughter at the same time. Her hair was falling out. John had appeared in a year So I'm getting messages from her. That she's having physiological problems icon. Tell her that I know why because I don't want to kind of I don't want to expose my plan to bring her back because I was afraid she would come back. And then I fail at the intervention. And I see that. She's recruiting routing other young women and I'm able to stop them going back to Albany from being branded. Thank God so used. You stopped her like she. She saw it saw like she an intervention she. She saw what was happening. No quite the opposite. She thought I was crazy and overreacting in that she was doing something. Good and noble and Branding was character-building. She was completely brainwashed. At what point after the intervention like how long after that were you finally able to get through to her okay A year and two months so she just left and you didn't talk to her. They took her back and they started to We'll festival will. The hierarchy started to try and use her to find ways to sue me and compromise me in silence me. They told her that I was was suffering from Munchausen by proxy disease. That I was a psychopath that everything I was doing was trying. So they brainwashed her specifically against me so that I was enemy number one which made it very very hard because then everything that I did when I had to go and expose a publicly Just deepened the rift and made it harder for her to reconcile with me. Does she still have that Negative energy towards you or is she is she you know does she okay. Now what are you guys. Ok where more than okay and I think One of the first things that she said to me that I knew meant that she was healing off to thinking that I was like public enemy number one was. She told her best friend. My mom was willing to help. Everybody hate her and I knew when she said that that she understood that I was willing to go to any lengths to get back. That was the depth of my love. Absolutely let's take a break when we come back Catherine Oxen Burgers GonNa talk about signs. Means parents should look for in their kids things she saw and things. You should look for if you've got kids and are concerned. Your kids are going down bad paths. Are you in charge of the desert. But you can't Bake Hi. My name is Gina But yes you can serve smirnoff kiss Carmo on its own as a shot shot or a kiss Carmel cold group. That's two of kiss. 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Were predatory group like this and what to look full and what to avoid and a lot of those warning signs are actually like the. There's a road map in my book. That makes it very helpful to understand. Like if we expose what whether it's an r Kelly you now how these predators operate in plain sight. Once you expose their playbook which is pretty slim then our kids are not gonNA fall prey in the same way be a bit a group or an individual kinda work the same way absolutely and going off of that. Do you think you know because I feel like again. We're the parents of two young kids. You want everything to be like butterflies and rainbows right especially early on in your experience raising multiple children. What's that age that maybe you sit them down and have these discussions where look? There's bad people in this world. There are predators. There's people these are the consequences. This stuff actually exists in this world. At what age would you consider having those discussions going back again with your kids. That is another great question and I think that's personal choice because I think you start the minute that they interface with other people I was molested at age four. I I don't know if it's a personal decision like who your kids are GonNa be interacting with and what you tell them at what age and what they can comprehend comprehensive maybe in simple terms when they're younger and then when they're able to think cognitively which thoughts around the age of ten to twelve you can you know it's really hard that conversation because you don't want them to be suspicious or cynical and let's it's a very fine line but the world is not A safe place and people don't and have your best interest and that is tough to break that to your kids when you say this The sex slaves and slavery was adjusts sex trafficking and sex slavery. What other kind of? What else did that entail Oh multiple like abuses against women and what it means to be a woman a woman it was deeply embedded into the curriculum. The deeper for you got in the more misogyny was revealed till you have women like Lauren. Saltzman tells Sarah Edmonson only way a woman can build cell can bill self worth. Breath is through humiliation so I would say This was a very very dangerous organization because the level of self hatred that it was fostering that women were able to then hurt another woman. I mean they were desensitize to the point. That violence against women was was encouraged. That's very frightening. Yeah but it started not like that. So I'm just they just they just get in and they just totally brainwash Russia. Well you have to look at it from two standpoints. The epicenter of this cult the Keith Raniry harm and he was rotating twenty women. This is not how they present themselves. This is not what I was told when I walked in the door to take closet. Really the leader is having sex with twenty women and that potentially anybody he walks through. These doors is a is a recruit to become a sexual partner for him. You're not told that But that's really what was going on. This was all about his as about power control in his self-gratification everything that was designed. The whole program was to as a funneling system for him. That's how sick it was and he's obviously in jail now. He is definitely in jail without bail. He needs a windy awaiting sentencing. Has He owned up to any vet or is he that psychopathic just thinks that what he did was fine. You WanNa hear the thing. That's so gross. I was sitting in court during closing arguments and I know that he made his chief county. I say this to the jury. The he was basically saying that the first witness this woman sylvie who had accused him of rape basically he. He's like well he keith gave her her first orgasm. So and I'm sitting there going. Okay wait a minute. Are you really trying to say that. He's a good guy 'cause because he gave him gave her Jesus so that's the level of of self awareness. That this to me. He's like he's a lost cause and if he ever comes out of jail I mean he's a danger to society this guy so you have your book came out. Last year right Hardback came out last August. And then paperback came out this July within with an extended chapter about the trial and reconcile reconciling with my daughter and it's called Captive a mothers crusade to save her daughter from a terrifying kalt. It's available now and you're actually going to be on the Hollywood story to you. I think that's coming out this Saturday as has it been hard for you to be in the limelight. In this way like I'm sure it wasn't what you thought would ever happen. So why did you. Why did you want to write the book? Why did you WANNA come out and do the you know the story and is it to to raise awareness or is it a is it a coping mechanism and as of two originally? I wrote the book because I was afraid. The government was going to drop the ball because people had brought evidence for decades and nothing ever happened and so I thought what if what if my book is the only resource that collects information to expose Keith Ranieri on these crimes that was ultimately my first reason for doing it because he he hadn't been arrested when I was writing my book and as I'm writing the stories unfolding so it was happening in real time. Then I wrote it for India wrote it for my daughter because I figured if she she read it she would wake up and that did it helped her wake up. And then you know after that it's to help other family members who are going through or or what I went through. I hope nobody goes through what I went through and to prevent it from happening and yes to raise awareness because I think these these predators hide in plain sight and the more you you shine a light on their tactics the easy it is to save the safer. We are absolutely and do you. I know again. I'm just relating back to US having kids in our daughter like she doesn't complete sentences as well as maybe some her classmates right and so John and I put ourselves and like we feel guilt. Where we're like? Are we not doing enough. Are we not doing something right. where she's a little behind going through what you've been through with India? Did you have to overcome on those feelings of guilt. Did you put a lot on yourself initially like throughout all this stuff. My personality is immediately. Yes I felt bill that I had introduced to this program but I'm the way that ideal without is that I I'm I find actionable ways to to counteract contract that so I I went full force into getting her. I felt responsible forgetting around. I felt responsible for getting her out. And it's about being accountable as apparent like you're not can't be blamed for everything but wherever you can help you do. How is India doubt with the healing process zest through all of us? It's been them intensive I think for anybody. This is the thing that people don't understand. You can't leave a cult and move forward and you're still trapped like it's in your head as they've changed the way you think you're still under the influence of the doctrine. So it takes a lot of worked unravel what was done to you and to reclaim your ability to think critically and that is a process and this has been lots of therapy one thing that helped her the most. You think Gosh you'd have to ask her that I mean 'cause I'd like to think it you know it was me but I don't think it was. I think it was. It was a lot of things She she met a lot of people well who gave her a different perspective and that perspective sort of shattered the cult persona Like watching her blossom was really beautiful in coming back to herself. I mean I just appreciate you coming on here and sharing the story for being vulnerable. 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I just really want to talk about mark today. there's nothing. There's nothing interesting about me. I promise you honey nope I really don't want to be here right now. So I've Kinda gotten that vibe. Actually we were heart's on our sleeves can say the blessing blessing and occurs. I mean if you WANNA talk about it be my guest Michael. I know mark would love that when Mark I think I you know I just want what's best for all of us. What what you just talked to Mike and see how the waterfield? Here's a situation and this. I mean I'll tell you well we give these listeners. Yeah it's real good did my heart on the king floor is really good. I'm not saying that now. This is really good stuff. You Really WanNa talk about other. Amin go for it already out. There might as well keep it on a roll and I'm sure people deal with this so all right. Here's give the the gist of it on on Saturday on Saturday We had some friends in town. Brab go to go out for a date night. I received this text message from this number. I don't recognize open it up. It's a picture. Serve a female and like a message where large bids top off message. This is from female with. We'd writing underneath saying Oh. Let's try to meet up this time or something like that so this was a wrong number. This was an old fashion. Yeah but it wasn't anybody I knew you know and so I see I'm like okay. I know the right thing to do is to go get John pull her side and say hey. I don't see this I don't know what the hell it is but I just think that you know there's something like this has happened happened like a year ago when when we we're in La very similar situation nearly identical. And I brought it to John as said exactly pretty much that that he just got this. I don't know what the hell it is. I just need to bring it to you. And she handled it well. She really did. And and this situation Saturday. Even though I consciously dialogue with myself saying I know what I need to do here I was terrified to do so I started kind of rationalizing my head. I'm like me and we're about to go out to date night with like two other couples like like any other end on the other side. I'm like we've Jim. I have really had a good run recently. Like like not a lot of pass stuff coming up. We've been handling situations pretty well handled in triggers. Pretty well talking things out where it's like it really. I felt like we were building a lot of forward momentum and really majority of our conflicts were around day-today marital issues and so the part of me that one in this situation was like this is the past just coming back up. I don't want any part of this. This is not me I get out of here and delete block. Done it all with the intention in Genoa chime in after I'm done talking definitely about this is I need to bring this up now. I don't any Puerto Right now. Felt like a hot potato. I didn't even want my text messages. Curate of it. I talked to my sponsor usually every Monday morning because I know where he's going I know he'll be. I can get a hold of him. I WanNa talk to him and go from there with all intention of of branch. John Lenovo Situation Toner. Why deleted it? which was because I just didn't want any part of it? None of it and so then. Yesterday I dunno what inspired Gina but she looked. She saw my Apple Watch and saw the text message on there so when she compared to my phone she thought I was just being sneaky. And deleting reading it in I understand and I truly am empathetic to the fact that her seeing something that that was deleted. That wasn't brought to her attention by me. In a healthy way boundary is extremely triggering and yes boundary to not delete things. Something that we mutually discussing agreed on so a lot of stuff comes up for her. A lot of stuff comes up for me and it's where a couple session about it this morning and it's just it's it's one of those things that's just difficult navigate. You have no idea who this person was Komo none none at all and the only thing I can think of an how this person he even have. My number number was almost eighteen months ago when I had my relapse house reaching out to numbers of a plethora of numbers it and which again which is how the same situation happened like a year ago and so is just. It just sucks. Because it's he says as soon as we we feel like we're hitting a good a good you know patch. It's a slight my path behaviors. My past actions come come back to haunt me and then because I didn't handle it in the way I know I had to. It made it even worse. So thinking was we're going out for a date. It's going to be great. Things have been so good with US lately. I don't want to trigger her in any way. Yeah and I think this is so not me. You just don't want any part of this right now. I don't want our period. I don't want life. This isn't real life. I'm living now. It's a part of your life you want to bury in its rearing its. It's ugly head and you're psyched getaway getaway getaway. Yes which is understandable but not what John and I agreed on on how to discuss these things in handle these things and it's beyond hurtful to see Gina hurt and upset and fear things that she feels because of the things that I've done in the past Janney regularly go through texts notices doubt. I haven't yeah weed had gone to fight that morning or the afternoon or whatever and I just I don't know I saw as will watch thing on the counter in the bathroom and I just I always have this really weird intuition everytime I've had that intuition tells me to look and I always find something and when I looked out like God damn it I saw and I immediately started my heart. Just this fell as it's here it's happened again. I'm such a gang idiot and I immediately called my best friend and I just was like shaking crying outside and then I texted the number where called the number And then I texted it and it was like please. You know it's like it said like sorry Hon can't can't can't talk on the phone on like. Do you want me to come over and I was just like you texted my husband. I would love to know your correspondence like please from woman one woman to another and I'm I'm just like as I'm typing this. This is literally hours this happening again and then like the messages got like really weird then like it sent me the same message that sent Mike and so then it started to think. Okay maybe this is like one of those computer people like a body like computer because it was like. What kind of boobs do you like Mike? And I'm like okay. This isn't a real person so then I'm like yeah. They're not even reading their dislike. I'm coming to Nashville. Let's Hook up and I'm just like okay so then I like got to that point so then I'm like okay. So maybe he hasn't. This is an actual person. But maybe he like got on a site because usually when you sometimes go to sites those things can get on your phone and then then you're part of that spam thing but I'm like how would he get on porn sites because he's got coming in is on his things to not have the ability to go to those places and so then I call my sponsor or excuse Kinda my sponsor it's weird she's She's in the program as she's a sex addict and so I called her and I just was talking thorough in in the part. Is it's the deleting it's the 'cause I'm like if he didn't delete it like I like you said. Mike sounded like he came to me before and I was totally fine with. I was fine with BELZEC. Okay this sucks but thinks ring it to me. It's the the sneaky weakness of like feeling like he deleted it the Ed because I'm like I like he saw before I didn't freak out. I could understand if maybe I freaked out before and threw a fit it but I didn't. I was okay with it as okay as I was. So the part that like scared my sponsor was that you know that he deleted it and withheld health information. Especially since that's the boundary and you know and so they're like okay like this. Isn't the smoking gun. What would you know do you hire a Pi? And I'm just it's like. Oh my God like my whole my whole world is about to just king crumble again. And I'm like and I just started. I'm just like how like this. I know how but I I just so it's just been to feel. I'm just sick of finding things I feel like I'm constantly and it's like someone on says we'll look but then it's hard not to look when I have that intuition to look and from your standpoint the coincidence of the one time you look yeah you find something that's got to be tough but well yeah and it's every retirement. It's like the hard thing too is a lot of the times when I do find something. He'll say no. I'm sorry it was just I don't know but then there's always something after that and that's where I'm like okay now I'm like living in the lava again. When am I gonNA get completely covered via 'cause that's next and that's the part that's like that's the part that's like you know? I don't WanNa live this kind of life to to know win them. The like we just moved in this beautiful house and wait the second kid like we've fought so hard like why. Why is this is happening again? And that's what I'm so scared of because it's it's not whether he ends up meeting up with someone or not I mean that last relapse he almost did and I was going to signed the papers. So it's like he gets even close to the fire and I'm gone it's like does Anamika Zena know that and realize that in love love our family enough and I know it's on a family. It's not about me but that's just where but unfortunately we met or unfortunately we had a couple the last night I was like get out of the room out and this morning joining with the obvious that couples therapists and there was a new therapist. Poor guy just got for majorly baptized by fire. His But you know he's just like aac gave the opportunity to come forward and know that I'm going to start researching and looking into things on the phone bill. And he's like can you try not to go all the way down the rabbit hole you know. He's like do you need to look for a couple of weeks and see and that's hard parts now. I have to go okay. Was the site that out about was is just a fluke. Is He really. You know I'm like I love you Mike but like your good liar like you pass saliva detector test. You know what I mean lying. So you're you're charming is how people believe you you've applied to like I mean I've seen you look me in the eye and tell me the truth was but it wasn't your truth so it's like I'm kind of like this weird like what do I believe. How Was it just a fluke? I don't know and that's where I'm just like I kind of just like I'm like I've given enough signs. The Brigham University. I'm like do I keep asking for signs or these my sides to like get out of dodge just really fresh. Don't be sorry. Of course you know what I also. I'm like here with tears in my eyes the night that thing. That's it's hard is you're not looking at each other right now and you're not speaking to each other and your body. Language is really tough right now and you're talking about him but he's right next to you because I'm not ready to look at them yet because I don't know what I'm looking it's okay that's okay what would help you know the thing I can't I there's nothing that's I'm like I don't I don't know why can't you just like I didn't give a Areso. Did Not tell me the truth or to not just be like. Hey this came up like I just need like in moments like that because I I always ask McKay's anything inappropriate or given the opportunity to come to have a safe place and I like I want those Sobat. I WANNA see that. He's working his recovery and working the boundaries like that that stuff is so huge for me which is why I didn't freak out the last time when he came right. Well Michael. What scares you? What scares you to tell her? That's her said it's it's it's scary period. There's so much shame because in my mind yes even though I know the right thing to do. It's still a reminder of the things that I've done and so there's it's there's so much pain there's so much fear behind that that means just like I don't want her to have to think of that stuff. What about forgiving yourself? I Mike and and trying every day because you have so much tain and then because of that it is all over Janna and she has to carry so much. Because you won't forgive yourself self. She can't forgive you until you forgive yourself. I mean I've told him I forgave him. I know you have and Mike. You are a good person you are. You both are so beautiful and strong and open and I just don't know that that you guys know it so Janet. I read this article. It's really interesting. You bring this up about the need to know versus the fear fear of knowing and I think that that's something that that you should think about and talk to your sponsor therapist about because it seems that that's what you grapple with. You need to know but you're afraid to know and that becomes a painful conflict for someone and neither is necessarily. I need to know for safety. That's the thing like that's kind of what I've always when something comes up because I want to know that he's because it is hard for him to tell the truth that has been in the past So it's like to feel to know that I'm safe in this marriage and to know that he's not acting out like those are the things those landmines that land mines is that he gets for for me to be able to see and to know that he's doing what he's you know what people have told him in. How did you know how to tell me? And it's like in with me being empathetic and sitting in and knowing what he's doing that's that I I it's like it. It's it's so oh helpful. It shows me that he's on the right and it gives me as you're telling me the truth. and not just deleting things like the deleting eating things just images whether it's a fluke taxed sends me right back to him deleting all the messages that he did with his affairs. I understand that I understand and so it's just it's heavy because I'm like now I just I don't know I don't feel out of control. Yeah I just I feel like I'm I'm just like my anxiety. Level is just like through the roof and the therapist this morning. have any input on that about what to do now. to take space race we need and to rely on what we need to rely on an order to take care of ourselves that makes sense. I know I feel like Janna has defined the security in herself. That's the thing like I'm when you when I got upset last night like staring my house outside in our driveway it was. I'm I'm secure with me but like like our relationship and I thought we were. It's just I felt like it was like a slap in the face so I'm not secure in his recovery but it's not my recovery. Sorry so it's it's that's the. That's the hard part about living with an attic today. I'm not secure. You're a few days ago. I felt secure. I'm trying to process everything. It's it's really uncomplicated. It is it is but it's not you know in. That's that's honestly that's part part of the weight in the frustration and the pain of it all because when you look at it as you put it down on paper it's very simplistic just. All I had to do was come to her and say hey this happened. So what is your answer. Why you didn't first of all for me? Feeling safe in telling the truth is something that goes back since I was young like I have fear around even being honest because of how it was received in my upbringing. So that's a very big traumatic trigger here for me and has definitely been my biggest hurdle in living with integrity and being completely honest and transparent and in in everything in all accounts what else tell him more on. Why didn't in was? Because I wanNA run so far away from that life of getting that kind of text message of of of being reminded the pieces used to be that it's just it's a shame hit that kick in Dick and I just selfishly. I didn't want any part of it. And that's that's the part that's unfair. Because I took that opportunity away from myself and from Jonah because I wanted to spare myself and her but I feel like it was more of a selfish decision because I was scared so when I hear you call yourself a piece of used to be. It's you were hurt. But that's a but that's it that's how that's how I feel. That's how I felt. That's part of the work on that part and forgiving yourself and knowing then you will trust Janet. Janet is fiercely loyal to you Michael and you need to be willing to share with her. The worst parts of you. She will not leave well. Well yes but if you would have told her yeah and you are not a piece of my earnest. I'm not I never learned how to trust the truth. That's that's my drama. But it's not on her. She's shown you so much loyalty loyalty honor but I also want Janice when she hears us call yourself a piece of it breaks my heart. It must gut her Mamoru Guy Right right but you are a good guy hearing you say that about yourself and I would feel the same way. Janet criticize herself that way. Under sorry you can say that said to her. I am sorry that I didn't handle it the way that we agreed upon. Handle it the right way for myself for you and for both of us. I'm sorry that the damage that something like again that seems so simplistic in 'cause I hear you. I just having having a hard time with you saying that you were GonNa tell me because it's like you know how many times I've heard I was gonna tell you but so I'm like doc. You deleted it like just own that you weren't going to you. Don't want any part of it you just deleted it. Don't I just the the the saying that you were GonNa tell me about. It is the part that I'm just like I do not buy and I don't blame you for not wanting to tell me not one that life but I'm like I have a heart because I'm like times I've heard you say but I'm GonNA I. I was GonNa tell you about it so after twenty times a finding things. I don't believe that line anymore. I believe you deleting it and just being like I don't want this life I do believe that Yup I get that I totally would get that but the fact that you're trying to hide behind saying you were going to tell me I don't get I I will. I will will not believe you on that. I just don't and I can't really hear her really hear her because she's making a really really clear point there and I understand it like I'm totally giving the opportunity to be like you're right I you know even though I said it was going to tell you I you're right. That is a lie. Maybe my attention sure were but I probably wasn't. That would make more sense to me that that I can agree with before when when before when we talked about it it seemed black and white and I. I didn't want to challenge my own integrity thirty of just outright. Admitting that I wouldn't mind tension was absolutely to bring up because I know that was the right thing to do was David can your heart of hearts you were going to bring it up. I don't know now that's an honest answer bad I can actually like Martin more shooting my life. My intention and plan was too but like you said I guess I don't know. Do you know why you lied about now. Saying when you say I was GonNa tell you John Dockers believe occurs. I I believe that I do be because of the work worked at. I've been doing the work that I am trying to do. I I like to believed out defoe and do the right thing. I don't think there's I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that. Now it's a fairy really gonNA call perhaps on Monday. That was my attention absolutely that that was that was mind. Mind tension again but to answer it. I like to think so. That was my intention but I don't know I don't no no if outer woken up this morning and follow through. I don't know and it wouldn't have bothered. You would just outside admires deleted it. Whatever I can't speak for the situation I can't go through and say if this would have in fact we're having all I know is that when I deleted it because I didn't want any part of it now? This is where I feel like. You're trying to trap me into saying something see. I told you I told relied at night. 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Dominic West & Wife Break Silence After Lily James Photos, Bachelorette Premiere Tonight - Daily Pop 10/13/20

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Dominic West & Wife Break Silence After Lily James Photos, Bachelorette Premiere Tonight - Daily Pop 10/13/20

"Awesome Dude. Daily. Today the wild story everyone is talking about just after Dominic Cooper was caught Kissing Lily James. He's kissing his wife and telling reporters marriage strong. What is going on here? You can. No. Dominant Web. About him, right. Let's let's. Beginning Okay let me explain this full story here. First we have lilly dominic who appear to be kissing while sightseeing in Rome they're filming and many series together in England and took a weekend trip to Italy. So here's gets betsy dominic is married with four kids after the lily photos surface dominic and his wife Catherine, put on a united front kissing outside their home the even left a note for the photographers said our marriage is strong and we are very much still together. So i. mean the ball what's how my? That house at home I mean, that is a seventh century. Who honey she is on one hundred and seventy five acres. His wife is an Aristocrat. ARISTOCRAT. So this is a sprawling estate. I'm going to say something that's going to make my legal department. Okay vomit. Proper words. So I heard years ago. Yes. That when the wind fair was going on. allegedly. They had to shut down per dungeon the her dominic west with having a tryst with not one but two of their coastal. While shooting fair, he made been having an affair. Fair, he was apparently allegedly. So I have a feeling that this wife of his has gone through this before. He is away my source onset showtime show is one now. So I just feel like and what's sad to me is dominic west gets to go back to that castle. Have you know English Prada T with? Beds at his home and then Lily James Becomes a pariah in this whole no, that's not fair with the. Yeah. What is up with the photo op like they're not politicians I mean I don't understand the united front that they had to do the next day I mean put out the photo and she looked so uncomfortable and like. That and they put out the no, I just don't get like. You're you're celebrities, your actors, actor actors, actor we care about you but like you don't expect this from people in their position to do. I think I think because the British press is just so much more brutal than the American press I. Think they felt like this was the only way to sort of like dismantle this as quickly as possible and as bizarre as it is, and as strange as it feels and as uncomfortable as it is to watch I, mean also even just like an. Examination, by the way I am show big. You do not know what goes on in someone's home unless you are in that home. So even though there are these salacious scandalous photos of this man kissing this other woman and his wife and him are seeming like they're having a united front, you don't know what she's doing. You don't know what's going on between them. None of us do but I I just feel like. They feel that was the best way to just sort of quit the. Quickest? Wash. That to me was obviously. Chris you're in my. Opinion. When I read that when it said in the article, he added a jacket I said, no. Just add a jacket he's out of. Those shirts still smoke. You. Can you know why? She was like get yo ass home right now I don't want to hear native. It's our buts about it this. You're right. You don't know what goes on in other people's homes. Sandy understanding he's old school celebrity and sometimes osgood celebrities don't know that there's new ways of doing things like instagram just. Letting it slide or say they were the practicing is seen I don't know I mean there was. About the whole situation hiding anything either that was the thing that was so interesting that we didn't see them kissing on the lips, but they looked very much engaged. So maybe they for their new role, they felt that they were method acting. No it's because you're too comfortable like I would cheat on my spouse which I don't think could ever do. But if I did I feel like I would check into. Mental. Be On the seventy fifth floor away from everyone there and try to figure it out these people and maybe I'm speaking out of turn but it seems like they were comfortable with one another. This wasn't the first time but I will say that I'd just point about this whole story was that they were apparently there with their manager right literally and Dominic have the same manager and someone set could this be a PR stunt and I was like no, this is textbook elementary leg fooling around one on one you bring a friend. So you can say that was a group activity you're buyers. You're so right. makes. Hurt for this wife I mean. Like you said like Morgan said, we don't know what their relationship rules are. We don't know how it goes. They say their marriage is strong. They say they're adding on a united front will have to take them for their word for it. We wish them the best of luck. Living onto tonight's Bachelorette, premier, we have heard so much about it and it is finally here this season is going to be wild. These guys are total drama especially once it's clear that Claire Seemingly only into Dale check it out. Come on where my name is Dale. I couldn't be more excited to take this journey with you. See psychologist met my husband. I expected way more from the oldest Bachelorette. It's only a matter of time before. Clare. Realizes the truth that Dale's May. Who thinks she is. Crazy, let's get crazy. How about the fifteen of US walk out. And the eighteen years I've been doing this show. We've never dealt with anything like this. I don't know what that means like. Okay. Do we get a new bachelor I? Didn't hear what just happened. Oh my gosh this looks through. That, she met Dale those eyes were Google. Did you see this mile on her face? Depp. Gathered juicy tall. Daddy. He's so cute. It's true. That's really all you needed. It was less at first sight like I don't know why she was so quick to think that was her husband. He was just super hot what percentage and I already know best. Offer low I'm going back to work she about to put me to work all over again like he did. That's the problem whenever you need somebody for the first time you get confused about Lust and love, and sometimes when we're looking for love and we're ready to be a partnership, we sometimes let lust our minds but. I learned that lesson along you along the way I think you can tell a little bit of difference. You know what? She's been in many relationships before he's been on this show several times before. So I think she knows a little bit about like the Difference Between Lust, and love, but then then. She Chris, because she is still single that's the thing is obviously bachelorette now because she hasn't been able to find somebody so that definitely does mean that maybe she hasn't always made the best decisions relationships and I. Totally I understand that you know maybe she didn't want to settle and things we're not correct but you don't even if you do end up with the person that you thought was perfect. You know they're not perfect in the end either. You kind of you have to compromise there's not you don't love everything about China and you know, but you love him, he's your man he's the father of your children like at some point, you need to get off that SORTA fairytale horse. You're not gonna find your perfect person. No matter what. I mean. To make it. Kinda. Crazy. But yes, the impression I got to from the Super Ts to gain we'll have to watch and see if it really plays out. This way is that she literally didn't even want to date any of the other guys is that the impression? Know what I actually thought. It was sad because we were hearing this from people. But what I think actually happened at, you know down for conspiracy what I think happened is the producers can never in a reality show like this get involved. happened. Was Yeah. You can never get involved with. I think what truly was she fell for Dale Oliver attention went to jail. The guys may have found out that del was a fraud are that something sketchy was going on and they decided to let her know what's happening. I think at that point she had put all her eggs in Dallas basket re tout because Dell wasn't the person she thought he was. Way from this show, she was I need a break the producers were like we don't know if we can hold everybody for this long. Let's get. In here, the minute she saw that she in love with. The minute that she saw that to become through she was only no I can work. Now I'm back. I'm back. I'm ready to go. I think that they thought she was going to quit halfway through and the the guys were mad because they weren't going to be able to finish the season because she found out something about deal trust me. You don't think she's in love you don't think she's in a relationship with deal. Relationship. Less, the all came back apologize and brought nine carrots and some crazy eric within. Oh my you're talking to. And we're GONNA have on the show tomorrow sound like she asked her all the questions. All right filled account and Kelly Clarkson is revealing her big plans for the scene, the billboard music awards plus OC housewife Shannon but door is dishing to us about love and maybe marriage and up next pinks has been carry right or Carey. Heart is sparking new controversy with this photo of their daughter were digging into that when we come back. Welcome back to Daly Pop pink's husband Carey Hart is stirring up some controversy posted images of his fun morning shooting with his kids. Carey says Willow is getting seriously good and Jameson absolutely love shooting. He ended his caption with the hashtags if you don't like it scroll on. Poke the bear. So he clearly thought he was going to get a big reaction about this. Honestly, he really did it very few comments were against the idea, but it is getting a lot of pickup because of the controversial nature. So the question here though is your pink. He's gotten he about this before in the past. You know that it's going to be kind of some backlash would annoy you like your partner was posting stuff that you know is going to possibly get a rise out of people especially when it's involving your kids, you know that that's really tricky because I I'm quick to say, yes that would probably annoy me but I would have conversations with him privately and and just say look like this is something maybe that we enjoy doing is a family. Maybe this is something important to us that our children shoot firearms or familiar with guns and how to handle. Them I. Don't know that we need to share that with other people. But then again, you know their parents just because they're famous people doesn't mean that everybody gets to weigh in on it but like on the flip side. That is the reason why people are famous people do scrutinize them. So I mean look it's not my when I kid I'm probably not gonNA make it a priority to have her shoot a firearm is my baby Daddy GonNa think that's important when she's five years old I don't know but like I'll deal with then but I probably wouldn't Post something like that. It's kind of funny because there's been conversations Shannon I have had. Oh. This pictures. So Q. and then I'll say, oh but there's a beer bottle in it or whatever. He's drinking a beer bottle, but we were having a beer. And I just don't want to deal with it. So I'm not going to post it because I don't want to deal with people will be like why can't believe that you would do this? I mean yeah to my thought process it's not gonNA stop me from how I choose to raise my kid or however, but I do think about it because I'm like I just don't want to deal with it I don't WanNa. Hear about it but aren't you guys at us now like I feel like if I was a parent, I would just know that there's levels to parenting. The dietary infraction officers and then there's the Federal Bureau safety comes after your acid plug your kid right? Right. I just feel like it's part of growing up and being a parent now that you will always have people who don't agree with your parenting style and even put it out there. You. Know you're going to get criticism. So I think for parents I bet you can't be too sensitive the I never you're putting those things out there. That's true. I. Remember whenever I had. Zoe Do you guys remember I was GonNa turn leave and I posted A picture of the first beer I had had. Since, after having a brief. TM saying like you clearly are breastfeeding your child because you're having a beer and I'm like, okay, first off we're GONNA have a have to have a talk about breastfeeding one. You can have a beer but second of all, it's like people just have this right feel like they have this and that was a decision where I was like I don't care if I get backlash for this then they're just They can ridiculous. But he also anticipated that's why he said just keep on scrolling which then I think if you're gonNA, close it, own it and don't even like. Getting comment because it's not necessarily people make comments about everything I use the wrong accent on the word three days ago I've gotten no less than twelve comments about it. I literally was like how the to all of you know that who cares. Don't worry about it, but you can't be mad if you put it out there just like I can't be mad than I'm on live TV every day and criticism I put myself in this position you can't be mad at you put your instagram. You'RE GONNA get criticism. Criticism don't put them on the right and it really doesn't faze me but there are times when it does I do stop and think I feel carrying today. So I'm just going to keep that to myself today. We're going to get an inside look at the alleged sex Colt nexium India ox Berg is a former member of the daughter actress daughter, an skiing remember and the daughter of actress Catherine ox she was on ABC's Good Morning America where she says she was brainwashed raped and branded by the head of Nexium Keith Ranieri. Oof. At the time I thought. I was doing this empowering bonding moment with a group of friends that I considered my nearest and dearest and you had no idea that it was Keith's initials I remember that I mean that's the that's the real thing is that we were told that it was a symbol of the elements. And that this was going to be a bonding experience and we were sleep deprived we were starved. We were co worst. You don't just decide to be branded your co worst into being branded the relationship took a different turn and became sexual. When I was commanded to do seduction assignment that was the beginning of continual sexual abuse and I didn't see it as that at the time now that you can look back on it, I would you describe that sexual? I would describe that sexual relationship as raped. I had given collateral, which automatically removes my choice. So I did not have the option to say, no, saying, no, hurting my family or hurting my friends and I. Wasn't going to do that. I am not GonNa Lie Oh. Normally you have to wait years maybe decades to hear from someone who has been through something like this because it takes them a long time to process says. They have been through the only time. We really hear from victims is in court cases are transcripts. The fact that this woman is on that stage this morning using that platform to spread the word about this sex called. This is unbelievable in a to true tests of strength because I don't think that I could ever sit there confidently an like she had so much strength behind it was crazy. Remember and Catherine on the show last year. Pop she's just such a strong mother as well who's always always been fighting for her daughter never gave up for her so it is crazy and alarming to hear her story and she was very brave for sharing at the India. Also said, her mom helped rescue her, and her message to everyone is that you can reclaim your life and move on key through Nari was convicted of sex trafficking, racketeering and conspiracy. He'll be sentenced later this month and could face life in prison. We have reached out to his reps for comment on India story and have not heard back. Do you think we're going to hear from key? Not. No I think we're I think Keith is going to go away for a long time. Coming Up J., Lo is celebrating have. Special Anniversary today, we will explain what it is Nazi. Fly Girl. Attorney Season York around for years. No Really been happening girl you know. got. It together. As far as Everything. I saw them on TV the first season, which was three years ago. and. I said to myself. I. You. Know I'm sure like thousand other people said I can see that but I think much about at first it was It was a little hard for me. There were taking clues and. I. was like I came from New York to moved out here and stuff. Was Hard at first. It was hard to break the ice with everybody you know but after a while. Just started getting along stuck. Got Better. But it was hard I. Oh. Wow. So it was really hard. On. 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So it's not just all sort of blending together like I wouldn't necessarily have chosen maybe these colored benefit, but he's he's he's not all the way right but he's not all the way. Wrong so I yeah. Crucify me you being. Being Nice. Okay, and remember you can get any of these looks. I just gotTa online dot com slash show. Okay. After the break according to crash and a sinner Bray Take New York while twenty, would you match with your? BFF. Then our wedding bells and the near future for Shannon. But door, we're talking to her about love and how to survive as housewives stick around such cramping just want me to blood clot. All right. Let's get into a round of would you do? These courtney crashing and Addison Ray, we're twinning in New York City the coordinated do a war not one not two. Matching outfits. We know Kylie does this with her best seat all the time. So is this a Kardashian or would you guys want to cheer bff? Okay. Well, here's the thing. Kylie matches her bff in photos when they're like playing dress up at her house for thirty million bucks you know what I mean. It's not the same, and this is not necessarily is this twinning or is this kind of being in the same theme? Kind of like what are you wearing address with an yeah boots okay. Me Too one, hundred percent. I. Think Courtney sees that when Kylie turns our best friends into her. Its loyalty, like literally, they won't turn on themselves so they won't turn on her it's working for Kylie. She's never had an issue with somebody who looked exactly like her site. The cord is the same thing. He's never had an issue with the best friend. Who looked like? I got that. I don't really twin. We I definitely call my friends and ask like what? Are they going to wear? overdressed or under dressed. If my best friend was a a semi billionaire and wanted to buy the same clothes that she was wearing. Billionaire. I love it right when it comes to drama the real housewives of Orange County never disappoint Shannon Bator five filled me in on what it was like without the trace Amigas, the season, and we're her friendship currently stands with Kelly died. Shannon dougher and the house low. So excited to see you and I'm so happy to see that you're doing well, you and your daughters were all diagnosed with covert while filming how's everybody doing? How are you feeling now? We are great and I am so blessed and grateful that we didn't get it bad. I had lung damage in both my lungs. So I thought I'd be one of those people hospital so. Grateful, that we got through it it was about three weeks. We were really sick for seven to ten days. We got through it. So happy you guys are doing. Okay I do want to know we're all in lockdown. So we have to ask how's your love life. I still dating John? Johnson I've okay. It's almost about a year and a half and we're. We're doing great. He's really cute. He's very sweet and so supportive, and that's something that I'm really not used to having us right and I don't know I never thought that I could find tackiness at six. So I'm very, very grateful to have a young hot sexy fifty-six. Let's let's let's fix that. Thank you so a year and a half that's pretty good. So I mean, are we seeing like a ring in our future or my just need to slow my roll I just I wanna take everything slowly at this point because I do WanNa share my life with someone in and have a partner but you know you need to know that that is is the right relationship for you because I don't want to make another mistake. So I do WANNA things to Go slowly I'm in no rush for anything Vicki and TAMRA are not returning to season teen. So how has it been without? The of has it was it was a little bit awkward at the beginning of the season because I didn't really have that many close relationships with anyone on the cast and so. What's Nice? As. We finish and raptor season is now I have developed new bonds and have good relationships with some of that cast members that he didn't have the. So that's a positive. Oh, that's good. Well, last season you and Kelly didn't exactly see eye to eye. Didn't look like you were at her recent bridal shower I could be wrong. Where do you guys did I was I actually was out of town and then she did invite me to her wedding but my daughter surprised me and came home from college this weekend. So I wasn't able to go but you know things with Kelly are good right now you know what a lot of the viewers didn't see is what we weren't filming off camera when I was going through the really hard times my divorce she was there for me and we had. Forged a really good friendship and we spent a lot of time together. So when things happened last season, I was really sad and disappointed to not have that friendship anymore. So you know I'm I'm glad that we've worked through some things. She's now living in my neighborhood. So a see all the time did you have to reach out with her reach out to a recently because of the backlash that she got for sharing a picture that said drunk wives matter a habit she wore and lockable thought that was mocking the black. Lives Movement Kelly Kelly Dot. Time she does and says things without thinking about how they're going to be perceived by everyone I mean I would put that hat on for that being said Kelly Kelly and you know we kind of joke with her little bit about this season. So you'll see that I mean not. Joke but it takes some things you give her a hard time. Didn't. You didn't realize that maybe that wasn't the right thing to say or so. Well. After six seasons, you've experienced your fair share of drama and we want to know the secret to handling it all. So we have a little game called the housewife survival guide. If no one thing you should never do on camera is dot dot dot ly. Good the people that lie. Sometimes. They can't keep all the lies street. So I told my nearly when we first started one hundred percent no censorship, and if you're authentic, they need, you don't even need to worry your one piece of advice Elizabeth or a new house joining the group I'm going to say be authentic. You know. Just be yourself if you find out, someone is talking about you behind your back you. In front them, the one person to avoid getting into a fight with is. I would say Kelly died my biggest regret is. You always have hearts, rides and. Exposed a lot of my life on the show that you know that's hard to relive hard to rewatch. But in the end way out up up all the pros and cons, the pros always outweigh I'm just grateful to be a part of the show. I don't know that there. Billy Arnie regretted if I did you dumb things because I do them daily you know I, try and take responsibility for them because I'm humid and all of us. Well, you definitely are very important part of the show. We're so happy you're still there. Thank you so much for joining us. You guys we to catch the season premiere, the real housewives of or tomorrow night on Bravo. Thank you Shannon. Thank you. Are you guys coming up a pandemic is not stopping Kelly Clarkson from bringing a good time to the billboard music awards. She's revealing her big plans for the show plus her secret for dealing with her emotions nets. Kelly. Clarkson. Is Definitely not afraid of a challenge last year she had to get her pin Dick's surgery after host, the billboard music awards, and this year she is hosting in the middle of pandemic. But what if anyone can do it? It's Kelly. I feel like every year that I posted the billboard music awards something happening I'm having to navigate around and I feel like it's just that's what happens. There's always a hurdle So and I adapt rather easily and can kind of just keep going you know show must go on so. That you definitely got the right host for it. This show's obviously going to be different this this year because we're navigating all the nineteen. Precautions like we want everybody to feel safe and be safe and healthy here in we're definitely still doing live performances. Huge Arenas. So but it'll be like more intimate setting and and how he of the stage setup is pretty cool and we're just honestly trying to you know give everybody something a little normal. It doesn't matter what time of year it is. Music is generally my outlet for every emotion that I'm having and an added I'm lucky in that sense I do feel very fortunate because I have been writing a lot and and recording a lot and and and I love seeing our cover songs on Kelly Clarkson show. I'm really excited though this year because speaking of covering songs we're we're navigating this year's billboard music or a little different. It's GonNa. Be probably my favorite opening to make cryer be more depressed about twenty twenty. Then that enough it's more of like uniting people and connecting people and and you know music has a very healing power to it in a in a in the power to connects people, and that's really what we're focusing on the opening. All right. The Billboard Music Awards Air Tomorrow Night on NBC Today Is. Treat. Yourself. Day. Holiday inspired by an episode of NBC's parks and Recreation, and if you've never celebrated before, here's a quick tutorial from the ship. DONATELLA mobile. Rewards for you treat yourself. Treat yourself two thousand. Love him once a year. Don I spend a day treating ourselves when we treat ourselves to close treat yourself fragrance treat yourself massage treat yourself most freak yourself fine. Leather goods stretch yourself. It's the best day of the year the best year. We're going to treat ourselves to a game. We like to call barks and wreck. So we're going we can guess which dog belongs to witch parks and REC CAST member. Here's our first dog. He is Gilbert grape. 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And his new memoir plus what he's telling us about his relationship with his ex Lisa. Do Not Miss It. Lenny Kravitz sharing everything in his new memoir and he told me why writing the book changed his life and how he nearly blew it when he first met Lisa. Bonet check it out. Let's talk about this memoir first of all, congratulations. Amazing love. What was the hardest part about writing it and what was the easiest part about writing it? Hardest part. With starting I didn't know what my voice was. Right absolutely in writing a book and telling a story like that. This. Accepting it like I was quite surprised how I felt about it afterwards, and I'll tell you that it was the best therapy that I ever had in my life. Right. There was a lot of healing through writing. This is especially in relation to my father and the relationship that we had, which was difficult and challenging. But we love each other advertising. We spent some time talking about your father, your mother Roxie roker I watched the Jeffersons every day after school and Nick at Nite that theme song is embedded in my brain removing. When did you realize okay MOMS famous. Maybe my childhood is not like everybody else's child. It was definitely after the first season of Jefferson. So all of a sudden we were going to the grocery store like normal and people were chasing her and you know asking for autographs and. And I thought it was strange. But it was wonderful. It was a was a historic television show was was huge part of the culture. day interesting that in fact, she represented on television what her real-life was, which was being married to someone up another race to a white man. That she had the opportunity to represent staff another thing that I thought was kind of got kicked out of you mentioned the first time you saw Lisa Bonet you're obviously on the cover of TV guide and then you saw her then the the only thing he really said to her was like your hair. I choked. Little Bit. Else or admire. I guess it. You know we we went. We went. So I guess it was okay when we met at the new edition author, Back Stage Yeah I was I was mesmerized. I mean I did like it was beautiful and you mentioned that when w was born, it was the most beautiful moment how different name and I I gotTa tell you I have gone through three hundred names and it is very challenging to find the name of naming a person. You have any mess before what made you change it. So his mom is very intuitive and very spiritual, and so it's beautiful. All of our ego came out of it. You know we had. His name, we were happy with name excited and win and Wednesday was born her mother looked at her and said. That's not this being is that name is not this president's pool at Chelsea so we we observed. Her And I don't know if it was a week. Is Definitely. She didn't she didn't have a name and we were fine with that but when she revealed to us What her name was we listened and. Said, she looks like Zoey and instantly. I knew that that was. You know what? What's your sign I gotta I hate ending on that cheesy question. But what is it? Like. So Zendaya right now, I don't even need a drink of water. I'm a Gemini. Gemini are you junior May. May Twenty? Six. May Twenty second I should've. See. I liked it. I. Like it. I cannot thank you enough I. Appreciate the. Pleasure. To speak with you. Oh speaking me. Your ass flustered about that one. As memoir let love rule is available now. I'm pregnancy hot. It's hot and Jack Air Shirt that I thought was a good idea. Anyway. Okay. Still had the mystery behind who is accusing Jana Kramer's husband Mike of Cheating again. Diving into that after the break do we have to? If you're looking for new show to keep you entertained. While you're second home checkout. NBC's medical drama transplant. Here's a sneak peek of tonight's new episode. was going to die no matter what you did. What happened I don't know? What is going on? AM shooter passes nothing a man comes in a crossing guard. He's like. Show. Me He was gonNA come out and go. I get? These days this is good promo for the show because it was very long vision. Transplant is on tonight at ten PM on NBC. If you haven't been watching in, want to catch up on all of the action head over to the two peacocks, not that peacock to peak. Okay Janet Kramer and Mike Costin have just became best selling authors with a book on marriage advice. But now they're facing another test their relationship on their wind down podcast says she got into not an anonymous DM from a user that said, Mike. Cheated again, I'm sorry she went on to say that her default is not to assume it's a complete lie because Mike has a history of cheating has been treated for sex addiction and that's how sex addiction and that's how she found out the first time. So how would you feel if your Mike and your partner didn't fully trust you? First of all. I don't trust any thing anyone who has anonymous because it you didn't have the nuts to say it to my face I'm either going to think it didn't happen you looking for cloud. Afraid to say. So she even back to this person, they had no followers and they deleted their account immediately. Troll it's just a troll. Yes controlled. Message to receive. So uncomfortable all. Don't even look at them. Don't even look at the how could you not expressly what you've been through in your life and I think Mike is going to have to understand that just like when you go through trauma in your life if you were bid by dog when you're five years old, you're never going to trust a dog fully and he fell off a bike. When you were thirteen, you're not gonNA get on another one, forty five. So I think in a relationship. It's the same thing if you've been bit by your relationship before you're not going to truly feel one hundred percent and it and he probably has to understand that. Yeah. Absolutely that she talks about is pretty interesting as she says I you today and she deals with the sex addiction like you deal with other addictions like you focus on the day today is a good day to day I will not drink to Dale not do drugs today I won't have sex one hundred percents. Unless it's with my wife. Job. I loved that clarification. Carissa. All right. Well, movie on you guys. 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The Vow And Seduced: Two NXIVM Docuseries

Pop Culture Happy Hour

16:20 min | 2 months ago

The Vow And Seduced: Two NXIVM Docuseries

"The first time a lot of us heard of an organization called nexium. That's an ex-. Iv was when several high ranking members were charged with crimes including sex trafficking. The group called itself a self help organization while a lot of other people called it. A cult leader keith. Ranieri was just sentenced to one hundred and twenty years in prison. Hbo stars both have documentary. Series about nexium. Ember vote pretty shocking. I'm linda holmes and today we're talking about. Hbo's the bow in stars seduced on pop culture. Happy hour from npr. So don't go away. Support this podcast. And the following message come from marguerite casey foundation creating greater freedom for change makers to create a truly representative economy marguerite. Casey foundation believes working. People in their families should have the power to shape our institutions our democracy and our economy shifting power. Powering freedom learn more about the foundation at ww dot. Casey grants dot org and connect with the foundation on twitter at casey grants and on facebook on the next episode of louder than a riot. Bobby murders transition from the streets to superstardom and how viral fame led to infamy acts people from the her with. They got criminal activity going on. I know in hip-hop the battered a better listen now to louder than a riot from npr music. Welcome back joining us from her. Home in brooklyn is any loose. Who most recently hosted the nod. With britney and eric on qube. Hello it's always good to have you back to chat and we're going to talk today about these two series and before we get too deeply into this. I'm gonna go through a few of the basics we wanna make sure you understand them even though there are a little tricky to explain. Nexium is basically a multilevel marketing company of self help programs on what that means that while they do have seminars that people pay to attend their members also get paid for recruiting more people and what really made the nexium story. Take off in the media. Was that a subgroup of women in axiom. That subgroup is called dos turned out to be involved in some additional practices that some of them alleged involved being coerced into having sex with the group's leader. Keith neary he has always denied coercing anyone on top of that. Some of these women were branded to mark their inclusion in dos where they were assigned to higher ranking women as quote unquote slaves and one of the women. Who's been accused of being a key leader in dos. Is the actress allison mack. Who was on smallville. She's pleaded guilty to racketeering. She hasn't been sentenced yet. So the vow is a general documentary series about him that focuses on two couples who have left nexium and are now outspoken. Critics of their names are bonnie and mark and sarah and nip be. Seduced on the other hand is much narrower. it's the story mostly of india oxen. Berg who's a young woman who is deeply involved in. Nexium annan dos. Her mother is the actress catherine oxen berg and the show is really about the two of them coming to terms with what happened while india was in nexium and catherine was trying to get her out. that sort of a lot of information right at the top but as you can tell this is a very complicated story brittany. You have said that you don't think of yourself as a person who gravitates to stories about culture not somebody who has always closely followed Charles manson or anybody like that. But you have followed this really. You've you've watched the value of watched adduced as i have you have listened to. Cbc podcast called uncover which also deals with this story brittany. What do you think it is about this story. That has been interesting to you. I think what's most interesting to me about. The the nexium narrative is how this i guess sex cult basically that was really harming a lot women for a long time it was led by. This guy keeps green areas. You mentioned who is demonic. Is one of the only words that i can think of. That would describe his behavior. He wasn't out with it but it wasn't like a jonestown situation like with jim jones. It was it like charles. Manson situation where you had this guy who very obviously was into some other stuff and he had sort of like a quote unquote harem followers. The sort of like the headquarters of this entire operation were in a suburb of albany. New york in a cul de sac. That looks like so. Many suburban cul de sacs in this country in a lot of stuff was happening in. Like you know a regular strip mall office park typesetting. You get what i think when i think of a which is know a bunch of new twentysomethings with a charismatic but super out there leader people. Are you reading around barefoot or shouting on corner extreme corners trying to hand out pamphlets. This wasn't that it was a multilevel marketing scheme. That didn't seem on. Its face that different from any other multilevel marketing scheme but also it had like the next year. I'm sort of dos cult inside of it. The had the added edge of seeming like it was empowering to women so it was like this guy. Keith reno took this women's empowerment message. Switched it with some multilevel marketing And then start a sex call that kind of existed in plain sight for quite a few years. Think that's the thing that kinda got to me is it's like it. It didn't fit what i thought. Were the archetypes of occult story it. It was like something that could be happening right under your nose. Yeah and i think one of the things we wanted to talk about. Now that you know the vow has been concluded for a couple of weeks. Seduced is ongoing. I think one of the things we wanted to talk about to that when you get these different series at very much the same time about this same topic. You really see the different approaches. Because one of the things you and i've talked about. Is that the vow. One of the two directors took the classes at axiom went to one of their five day intensive things and got to know some of these people who are kind of the lead characters and the bow and one of the things i found so strange about the structure of the vow which may be is you know maybe some light is cast on it by that very fact is that for a story that wound up being really about the exploitation and abuse of women and girls. It spends a tremendous amount of time at the beginning talking about this guy. Mark visentin who was a kind of a an ally of keith ranieri. And saw himself was a pretty high up guy in the group was a documentary filmmaker himself so did a lot of filming and creation of sort of some of what i guess you would call the propaganda or marketing for the group. They spend a lot of time on mark and i. There's an interesting quote from the directors. Where they of say. They saw this as a story about a crisis of faith for bonnie his wife. And then sarah and nippy her husband this crisis of faith of these people and i was like i don't like i don't know if i care most about the crisis of faith for people who were highly placed in this organization versus the abuse that was happening in some cases people who they had recruited. What do you think. no. I agree. I remember i was actually only kind of like surface informed about what was what was really going on there. The vow was the one that is offered in full. And then i watched seduced on stars and the vowel was confusing to me because the first two or three episodes focused almost entirely on like marcus and his wife. Bonnie i know all this background information on him and i kept thinking that it was going somewhere. I kept thinking that it was going to eventually fill out. Some greater point about the abusive women suffered in dos. And it just never materialized to me. The story of nexium is how this man who seemed to really really hate women auni deep fundamental level. That so much he would create entire program where he could abuse them but also he could train them to abuse each other and continue to all make money for him. They don't really explain that they don't really explain what was going on. The daily functions are the life of dos. Member was like i get a lot of the information in the vow. When i watched seduced i was like. Oh this is happening right. It was just confusing to me. Because i was like. Oh the real story of nexium is. This guy is kind of evil guy who really hated. Women created an entire system so going to be us each other how he did all of that under the guise of a women's empowerment group. And i felt like we almost got scratching the surface of that. Like you said maybe seven eight episodes into the vow which was a nine episode series. Right and i the other thing. That's interesting to me. Is the vow. The whole story is this group wasn't what it seemed like. It was so they spend a lot of time. Establishing what it seemed like it was and the problem. Is you now know what it was and so to go. Back in sort of vague. What it seemed like it. Was i understand that people want to be able to understand how intelligent people get involved in cults. I get all of that but it felt to me ultimately like the reason there is so much focus on that was to sort of justify and apologized for how all these people you know like. Well obviously like anybody would have thought it was wonderful given all of these things whereas you know my reaction was like i think you still have to be a very specific kind of person to go into a meeting like this and have people be like well this guy. You have to call vanguard because everyone had to call keith. vanguard this woman. Nancy salzman you have to call her prefect from the beginning and they have all these rituals. You still are buying into a particular kind of thing and i don't know that they necessarily really got into what makes you vulnerable to that. Because they tell the story like what makes you. Vulnerable is how wonderful. It seemed like it was. And i looked at it was like it doesn't actually seen that wonderful to me but one of the other things that i want to talk about. 'cause you noted this on i clocked this also this does appear to have been not exclusively but like a super super white bunch of people. Yes very white bunch of people. It's so interesting because one of the things that comes up for. Sarah sarah was like a leading character of the vowel. And she also was like the focus of uncovered mention like it was created by somebody who grew up with her kind of knew her from way back when in warranted deeper. Burn her story. So sarah somebody who has spent a lot of time and something that comes up all the time so she wanted to be a force for good in the world. She says that constantly and she says it so frequently after a while it feels like it starts to lose meaning to a certain degree because my thought is that you're trying to be a force of good in the world and frequently. She says this in response to the election of donald trump in two thousand sixteen how much that rocked her to her core right she felt like donald trump got elected. I needed to go change things. So much of donald. Trump's win opened up. This festering wound about like the lack dearth conversations that people have been having real conversations about rates. So it's so interesting to me that she felt like for participating in this program where she was making so much money. Had this fancy condo in vancouver and new all of these you know connected people in los angeles or whatever and you know it was. It was spending time gaining this higher consciousness. She never looked around and wondered what exactly they were doing to sort of better society. If you're you know a rich white woman whose surrounded by a bunch of other wealthy white women or women who at least color is wealthy. That would say to me. Granted i have a different situation live but that would say to me sort of that. I'm not doing it. that's right. She was somebody who like when i started watching the bow. Obviously the bells very sympathetic to her as it is to bonnie and to mark and too nippy i just kind of gradually felt myself turn on her partly because she was someone who to me was a pretty high level person in this group. She made a lot of money. She recruited a lot of people. I think she comes closest in the podcast to kind of being asked to reckon with her actual role. And i think you know. There's so much. Talk about allison mack. Because she's an actress because she was famous and so the fact that or she was famous. Wish i guess. I wouldn't say there was so talk about her and she emerges of such a clear cut villain particularly in the vow and to me. It's really interesting to kind of game out. Like what is the big difference between allison mack and sarah. Something else that. I noticed you know seduced does a really good job of digging into and laying out the crimes that were committed during the existence of dos especially by keep ranieri and also to a somewhat lesser extent. Allison matt and a couple of other women who were sort of first line daas members who had that direct connection to keep remarry cavern oxen berg. It seems like throughout seduce as she's learning and starting to gain a clear understanding of how deeply involved it abusing other people. india was. Her concern is not that she raised a person who might treat other people certainly. That's not the concern that she lays out. She talks about how she's worried that if india had done xyz to another person when it came time for things to get with into go to court and for people to be arrested for the chips to fall she was concerned that she would be seen as a victim and that was like a big light bulb moment for me. Thinking back on both documentaries is how so much of how these people felt about themselves. And how participated in nexium. It felt less about a crisis of conscience on their part in a lot. More about how are other people going to see me. Like it's like okay so have cleared the bar not going to prison. How are other people going to feel about. People are gonna feel bad for me and a lot less about finding a way to really tone or to grapple with the guilt. Because that's the thing actually to me that's the most interesting and i feel like they spent the least amount of time expressing. Maybe they feel that way. And i didn't hear about it. Rafi like hours of interviews took place between seduced in the valid. I never heard that. What i wanted was more of a an exploration of the fact that of course. It is true that you can be both victim and perpetrator. And i think a lot of these. People are clearly both victim and perpetrator absolute. But instead of digging into that the way that i wanted them to they sort of began to like i think as you say everybody sort of got into a scramble of who's gonna wind up being a victim and who's gonna wind up being a perpetrator which simultaneously made you know took out the ways in which some of the perpetrators were also victims and took out some of the ways in which the victims were also perpetrators. They are. I think both really interesting. Just as studies of how we choose to tell stories and again the podcast. Cd's podcast is called uncover. You can find that wherever you get your podcasts. I believe it's the first season of something that now has several seasons. We do want to know what you think about the vow and seduced find us at facebook dot com slash pch on twitter a pch. That brings us to the end of our show. Thank you britney as always for being here thank you for joy. I mean not the topic i know up and of course thank you for listening to buckled your happy hour from npr. If you have a second subscribe to our newsletter it's over at npr dot org slash pop culture newsletter. We will see you all tomorrow.

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NXIVM Pt. 4: The Fall

Cults

47:21 min | 6 months ago

NXIVM Pt. 4: The Fall

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual abuse descriptions of sexual acts and child abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In April of Nineteen, ninety nine, thirty, eight year, old Keith Raniry told his ex girlfriend forty-one-year-old Tonia tally that the next time he saw her, she would be dead or in jail. But Tony Wasn't threatened. She was exhausted her eight year relationship with Keith had been debilitating according to her book, the program he had cheated on her repeatedly and raped her at will. But when Tony tried to walk away, Keith couldn't accept it among other damaging tactics. He deluge her with passages from John. Milton's famous epic Poem Paradise Lost. Milton's book was about the battle between God and the Devil in his Paradise Lost Letters. Keith, branded Tony asked the devil. He accused her allowing her pride to driver into committing evil acts. He warned her that like Lucifer's actions had led to A. A fall from Grace Tony's attempts to break up with him would culminate in the destruction of her soul when Tony still refuse to take him back. Keith abandoned poetry in favor of a blatant threat. He told her that the next time they met, she'd be dead or in prison as it turned out, the present guru was right the next time. He was face to face with his ex girlfriend toning tally. One of them was indeed in shackles. However, it wasn't the woman he characterized as a fallen angel on the contrary. It was the man who cast himself as an unimpeachable God. Boy. I'm Greg Paulson, and I'm Vanessa Richardson, and this is colts a podcast original. Every. Tuesday. We look at cults practices, their leader, and their followers. You can find all episodes of colts and all other park has originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream cults for free on spotify, just open. The APP, and type cults in the search bar today marks the last episode of our deep dive into nexium. The group made headlines for physically branding. It's celebrity late in membership and coercing them into being sex slaves all to satisfy its narcissistic leader Keith Rainier. In. This final episode, we'll cover the escalating abuse meted out on the women and Keith Sorority sex ring dos. Then we'll explore how actress Sara edmondson helped. DRAG DASA's horrors into the light finally will detailed Keith's flight to Mexico and his eventual capture. We've got all this and more coming up stay with us. By two, thousand, sixteen, Fifty, six, year, old Keith, Rene had risen to unimaginable heights. He had built nexium into a multi million dollar business that boasted a client base of billionaire heiresses and Hollywood. Actresses kice incredible success likely made him feel in people ended the glow of this power. He started doing more and more insidious things in the dark unbeknownst to some of his most senior nexium executives Keith had carved out a secret society within his already cloistered community. He called it dos like nexium. Daas was based on a pyramid structure. However wears next shelled up thousands of dollars to take classes DASA's price of. Of Entry was much higher in order to join the recruited women had to become slaves at the outset. Most of Dawson slaves believed that they were joining an all female sorority that would help them become empowered. It was only after willingly handing over damaging blackmail material as collateral that the true horror of the group was revealed I. Today were commanded to Seduce Keith, and then they were branded with his initials despite this inhumane treatment. Several of the women in Dos were afraid to leave the group, the ruinous collateral serving its exact intended purpose. They'd unknowingly locked themselves into an unbreakable sexual contract with Keith. Vanessa's going to take over unless psychology here, and throughout the episode please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks, Greg. In an interview with journalist Sarah. Berman? BEDIA. SM. Educator. Carlyle Jansen stated that kinky sexual relationships can take virtually any form, but the basic deal tends to center around submissive participants surrendering power to dominant partners. However, there should never be something hang over a submissive head where they have to do something or else that totally violates free will and consent Keith didn't care about free will or consent by restricting the information he gave to recruits until. Until, they handed over their own blackmail material, he was able to grow a robust pyramid of Sado masochism according to journalist. Colin Moynihan. The pyramid eventually boasted four levels, each slave reporting to her master on the level above as the sole man atop the pyramid, Keith was the grandmaster yet, even this vaulted designation didn't satisfy his ego. If anything does made Keith Crave more admiration, this was evident during his meetings with his eight first line slaves. During these sessions, Keith required that a slave sit completely nude on the floor around him. While he lectured, them fully clothed from a chair on one occasion. Keith. Didn't feel that one of his slaves was being deferential enough. So according to first line slave, Lauren, Saltzman, Keith accused the woman of being prideful and then he kicked her keys treatment of the women in Daas was abhorrent. However, the most disturbing sign of his darkening appetites was his plan to build a dungeon. According to Lawrence Saltzman Keith Convinced Rosa Laura Hanako a wealthy first line slave to purchase a sorority mansion with a roomy basement. It was there that Keith intended to build a dungeon but I he had to stock up on supplies. EJ Dixon reported that Daniele Padilla. Another of Keith's first line slaves ordered thousands of dollars, worth of Beady Sim sex toys likely at the Guru's command. These items included ball gags, shock collars, ankle shackles, and. And a steel cage, it was the cage in particular. That terrified Lauren, even before it arrived, she began worrying that Keith would one day ask her to climate side of it in a later testimony. She stated the idea was that of complete humiliation. You would just be in there until they let you out, it could be ten minutes. It could be an hour. It could be days in truth. Lauren didn't need to climb inside. Inside a cage, she was already trapped by her love for Keith and like the slave who would one day be locked inside of the steel contraption. Lauren had no idea how long her sentence would last. Learn had been a member of nexium for almost two decades. She was first recruited when she was twenty one, her mother Nancy. Salzman was the one who brought her into the fold though her mother was one of Keith's sexual partners. Partners a few years after she joined nexium Keith also began an intimate relationship with twenty four year old Lauryn, Keith's decision to sexually exploit both a mother and a daughter was twisted. However, it's unclear whether Lauren news about Keith and Nancy's relationship. But she did find out that her boyfriend was having sex with several other women in his inner circle according to journalist Colin. Moynihan Keith explain this by claiming that the sex was A. A hardship, he had to undergo in order to further the women's personal growth in addition to this of persuasion, Keith coerce, Lauren into having threesomes with the other women in his Harem. But when she asked him for permission to have a relationship with a man Keith refused instead he promised Lauren. The thing he knew she most wanted he told her, he would have a baby with her despite Keith's promises the baby never materialized when Lauren? Lauren pushed for time line. All He'd say was that they would have a baby in between one and five years however according to Ej Dixon Keith later revoked even this vague time line one day after a volleyball game, Lauren jumped on another man while celebrating their victory. Keith was furious. He told Laura. Her actions were disrespectful and they made him question having a baby with her at all in response Lauren wrote Keith, a letter. Letter in it, she apologized profusely, not just for letting him down. But also for disappointing their theoretical child who hadn't even been born yet. Her accidents weren't to sue Keith's wounded pride. He informed Lauren that he was going to have a baby with another of his many girlfriends in a later testimony lower said, the decision left devastated and yet she committed to stay with nothing. No relationship. No baby nothing around two, thousand, sixteen, Thirty, nine. Nine year, old Lauryn deepened her commitment to Keith further when she swore vow of slavery branded her body with his initials and began recruiting next women into dos in a later testimony. She stated that Keith hoped the group would one day grow big enough to have a DOS slave in political office lauren never convinced a politician to join dos. However, she did end up recruiting DOS game changer. She was an actress named. Sarah Edmonson. In early two, thousand Seventeen Lauren SALTZMAN SAT in thirty nine year old Sarah, Edmonson, Vancouver apartment, and excited note in her voice Lauren invited the Canadian actress to join a top secret international women's group called Dos. Sarah Trusted Lauren implicitly both women were upper level. Next Yen's each doing their part to grow the group's influence in their respective locales, even beyond Nexium Sarah considered Lauren, her best friend, not only Lord officiated her wedding, but she was also the Godmother to Sarah's young son for that reason when Lauren invited her dos, it was practically a no brainer. Sure. Sarah was a little disturbed by her best friends demands for collateral and she didn't enjoy making the videos falsely accusing her parents and husband of committing atrocious. But she trusted Lauren. That's why she also agreed to take a vow of obedience and even more bizarrely to call her friend. Master Lauren explained that the honorific was little more than a formality joking. It's not like you're going to live in a cage or anything the levity set Sarah's nerves at ease in addition like several of the other dos recruits Sarah had. had. Long. Been, indoctrinated by Janice, she had internalized ideas that women were weak flaky and lacking in follow-through. She enjoyed the thought of being part of a sisterhood of women who would help her become the strongest most ideal version of herself. But once Sarah handed over her collateral. Lauren. Changed Sarah was forced to answer texts from her master within sixty seconds. No. No matter, the our Lauren also badgered Sarah to recruit her own slaves so that she too could become a master. However, it wasn't the content of Lawrence demands that worried Sarah it was her tone. There was this new threat of condescension running through all of Lawrence requests, and though she had claimed that the title was little more than a formality Lauren had begun. Begun Treating Sarah like a master talking down to her slave, according to Sarah's book scarred while being enslaved to Lauren. Didn't require her to live in a cage. She nevertheless felt shackled by the collateral, her friend held over her head. That's why a few months after joining DOS when Lauren invited Sarah to Flight Albany to partake in an initiation ceremony Sarah agreed. According to Sarah's book on March Ninth, two, thousand, seventeen, she and four other women were blindfolded and herded into a house by Lauren. Saltzman. The learn refused to tell them where they were peaking through the little sliver of light at the bottom of her blindfold. Sarah was sure she was allison, Max House. She'd been there before and she recognized the furniture. However, the former CW actress was nowhere in sight after some time walking Lauren led the women into a room. Then she told them to take off their blindfolds and stripped down to their underwear. Underwear now that she could finally see Sarah recognized the other four women from events over the years at nexium. She also noticed that the room boasted a large massage table and that makes sense learn at told Sarah part of the DOS initiation ceremony would bomb getting a small dime sized tattoo of a symbol that represented before elements. Sarah had never gotten a tattoo and she didn't want one. She liked her smooth unblemished skin. However, her mind was somewhat said at ease when Danielle Roberts entered the room like Sarah Danielle was a longtime next. She was also a doctor. Sarah was relieved that at least a medical professional would be administering her tattoo. Any feelings of ease Sarah had instantly drained away when Lauren pulled down her jeans and showed the women, the area about her pelvis revealing the mark. They were all about to receive. Sarah was horrified by what she saw. It wasn't a tattoo. It was a brand, a horrible scar according to her book Lawrence. Mark was raised red and inflamed like a hunk of meat hanging from the most delicate place on her body. Body instantly, Sarah knew that she didn't want that thing anywhere on her skin, but she couldn't leave Lauren had her collateral. Those horrible things she'd said about her parents, her husband, all of it was hanging over her head. So when Sarah was given a face mask to where for hygiene reasons, she put it on when she was commanded to help hold down the legs of the First Slave Gabriela, Sarah, clamped her hands down, and then she watched with horror as Dr, Daniel? Roberts. Dragged a caught ing hand across Gabriella Skin. The process took forty five minutes for forty five minutes. Sarah, listen to Gabriella, screams of pain, and then when it was her turn Sarah climbed up on the table and lay down at Lauren's prompting. She said, the words Master, would you brand me? It would be an honor. Then Sarah Tried her best to lie still as Dr Roberts traced liquid fire across her skin. In the aftermath Sarah tried to make peace with what had happened. She told herself that it was what she had to do to be strong to be a bad ass to take charge of her own life and yet with a permanent mark on her body. Sarah didn't feel very much in charge at all a few weeks. Later as the brand began to heal Sarah was better able to discern the design. She didn't see a symbol for the four elements like Lauren had promised instead. Sarah. saw four years. I A M then a k.? R.. 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However, she needed to understand exactly what was happening despite. Lawrence, claims that daas was an all female sorority Sarah Suspected Keith was involved. She believed that the twisted directives about the collateral and the brandy were all coming from him. However, she needed something to confirm her suspicions so. So Sarah turned to mark Vincent, A and esteemed filmmaker. Mark had recruited Sarah into nexium more than a decade prior however after his many years in the called both mark and his wife decided to leave hoping to find an ally. Sarah called Mark on the phone during their long conversation. All of Mark Suspicions came pouring out. He told Sarah that he was disturbed about what was happening to the young women in Albany, he suspected that they had formed some sort of. Of extremist group, he heard rumors that some of the women in this group were being blackmailed into sleeping with Keith marks half formed suspicions proved the beauty of Keith's Kingdom of horrors. Every section of nexium operated an information silo, the right hand, never knowing what the left was doing. Even though mark was an upper level next year, he only had fragments, bits and pieces of the puzzle that was dos however keeps information silo depended on his members not speaking with each. Each Other when mark breached the silo by sharing his suspicions was Sarah, her eyes were opened according to her book scarred. In that moment, she realized that she'd been brought into Dasa's Lawrence slave not to join a sisterhood of empowered women. But to be one of the women forced to have sex with Keith or more likely to recruit pretty young women for Keith to have at his disposal, it was at that point that Sarah decided to go to the FBI. For an hour Sarah told an agent at the FBI would had been under her. She explained about her years in Nexium and she tried to break down the predatory Maher that was dos. Then according to journalist, Berry. Meyer Sarah filed a complaint with the New York, State Department of Health Against Daniel Roberts, the licensed osteopath who had performed the branding. Finally, Sarah took her story to the press. There was nothing she could do about the branding, but she'd be damned if she let anyone else be victimized like she was. So she contacted Frank. PARLATO. Frank was a journalist, but that didn't mean he was impartial on the contrary. He had an axe to grind with Keith Ranieri according to Vice Journalist Ellie Reeve ten years. Earlier. Keith had hired frank to go after next ziems enemies. However, the more digging frank did on next see'ums critics, the more questions he had about Keith Ranieri More specifically frank didn't understand how Keith had lost millions of the Bronfman, sisters fortune on commodity trades when frank started asking his two most lucrative cash cows, intrusive questions, Keith fired. Fired him. But as usual, Keith couldn't just break up with Frank. He had to obliterate the people who dared challenge him. So like you've done with Barbara, Bouchet and Tony, tally? Keith sued Frank. That was a mistake and added blogger frank had several online outlets to his name. But more importantly, he was relentless Keith claimed. He didn't sleep frank. Really didn't sleep. He stayed up all hours every day writing article after derogatory article about the smartest man in the world, and even after ten years, francs fury hadn't cooled. So in two thousand, seventeen when Sarah, Edmonson told him Keith had graduated from bilking heiresses to branding women. He jumped at the chance to publish the story. So he could watch his nemesis burn. Frank was the first journalist to report that a group Nexium was branding women, and yet articles did cause some people to leave the Croup. The bulk of Nexium members stayed labeling Sarah, week woman having a Tantrum, the responsive law enforcement officials was similarly disappointing. They initially did little to investigate Sarah's allegations. So she knew she had to ramp up her efforts while frank could be dismissed by next as. As nothing more than a disgruntled ex employee, it was hard to write off the New York Times for that reason, Sarah reached out to journalist Berry. Meyer, and told him her story ELEC Tober seventeenth two, thousand, Seventeen Myers article titled Inside a Secretive Group where women are branded ran on the front page of the new. York, times after the prestige outlet legitimized the mecom tail, the rest of. Of the mainstream media went wild. The story had everything celebrities, sex slaves, billionaires, and all of it revolving around us then Golly, ask, Guru. It was a click bait wet dream and all the outlets wanted their piece of the Juicy Pie ABC's twenty twenty covered the story interviewing mark. B. Sentate Tony to tally and Sarah. Edmonson. In the process vice did a piece featuring Frank PARLATO dynasty actress. Catherine. Catherine Oxen Berg, one on Meghan Kelly's morning show and told the world that she feared her. Daughter India was branded dos slave and at home everybody read and clicked and watched with bated breath waiting for the next more soul to drop the national attention. Finally spurred the FBI to formally open a criminal investigation into nexium according to scarred. They called Sarah back in and listen to her story. This time allotting her a full two and a half day period to tell her tale. As for fifty seven year old Keith, he must have watched everything with trepidation. He had always craved the spotlight, but now he found its glare unforgiving, even worse now exposed, he was bleeding members after all the bulk of Nazis had no idea about dos even prefixed daughter Lauren was a first line slave had been the dark journalist Ej Dixon reported that when she found out, she was furious her daughter and other women got initials branded next to their vaginas and yet she and much of Keith's inner circle chose to stay Keith tried to use their loyalty to save his empire from ruin. Journalist. EJ. Dixon. Reported that internally Keith scapegoated his inner circle. He told them to disavow his connections to dos and claim that they had branded themselves of their own volition. He also encouraged them to make a fake website with the Greek letters. Bar. Alpha my his rationale was that they could tell the authorities that those were the letters in the brand, not his initials. Externally Keith released a public statement denying all knowledge of Dos according to j Dixon. He accused the media of shaming the women for engaging in consensual activities and spearheading a campaign against the rights of women and alternative lifestyles at one point in the email. Keith, even compared DOS members to authors of the Declaration of independence despite his assertions of their independence. Keith's first line. Slaves were still wholly committed to his interests above their own. That's why in a later interview with New York Times journalist Vanessa Gregori Addis Allison Mack. Claimed that she came up with the brand stating people get drunk and tattooed on their ankle B F F for a tramp. Stamp. To Tattoos and they mean nothing according to Gregorian. Allison claimed that she wanted to do something more meaningful that took guts in the interview with Grigoriev. An interview that Keith arranged. Allison also assumed responsibility for the five hundred calorie diets. DOS members stuck to they weren't instituted. So women would fit Keith's sexual ideal. Instead, she claimed that she wanted to save women from the trap of emotional eating as for the requirement that DOS slaves refrained from orgasm that was. So they could quote he'll their negative sexual patterns. Lauren, Saltzman was equally protective, Keith. She told everybody that would listen that he knew nothing about dos according to EJ Dixon emboldened. Emboldened by Laurens Loyalty, Keith once again dangled the prospect of having a child with her even accompanying her to doctor's office visits. So she could receive fertility treatments at the time. Lauren was thrilled. But when Keith refused to get a blood test, she realized that his true intent was to keep her doing what she was doing better than anyone else at the time which was going out and legitimizing dos. And despite this realization. Lauren. Stayed nearly all of key's inner circle. Did this even though they had to know that taking credit for dos, a group that branded unwilling women could possibly land them in jail. This seemingly irrational behavior might have been due to the sunk cost effect-. According to Psychologist Hal are arcs. This phenomenon is manifested in greater tendency to continue an endeavor wants an investment in money effort or time has been. been made. This was certainly true of Keith's Inner Circle Allison. Mack had practically abandoned her acting career to further the goals of Nexium full-time by two thousand Seventeen Clare Bronfman had poured over one hundred, fifty, million dollars of her fortune into Keith's enterprises as for. Lauren, Saltzman, she had sacrificed her lifelong dream of becoming a mother during her best fertility years given everything. They'd lost. It might have seen too painful to walk. However despite his inner circles, best attempts to shield him from consequences. Their denials fell on cold and disbelieving ears, and in November two, thousand seventeen upon hearing that the FBI was interviewing witnesses and victims connected DOS fifty seven year old Keith fled to a villa near Puerto Vallarta Mexico. Keith's Mexican. Villa was in a luxury compound. Perhaps, it was the blatant opulence that set Keith at ease whatever the reason three months after arriving in Mexico, he sent for Alison, Lauren and three other frontline slaves. Keith believed that he needed to have a recommitment ceremony with his slaves. So they could prove their loyalty to him. According to Keith, loyalty, apparently consisted of five women jointly giving him a blowjob according to journalist. Michael Blackman Lauren wasn't looking forward to the event in a later testimony. She stated that she thought to herself at the time. Do I. Really have no way of growing except by participating in A. A group blowjob fortunately, for Lauren, the event never came to pass on March twenty, fifth two, thousand, eighteen, Mexican federales broke into fifty eight year old Keith. Ranieri's Little Slice of Paradise EJ Dixon reported that Lauren salesman was in the kitchen making smoothies when the armed federally stormed inside Lawrence I. Thought was to protect Keith. So she ran to his upstairs bedroom to try and help him escape instead she was barricaded inside the room with him as the federalize banged on the door as Keith hid, Lauren tried to stall the cops by asking them if they had a warrant, they responded by kicking the door in. Here instinctively crouch down to the floor cowering as they pointed, their loaded machine guns at her, all the while Keith, her master, the one who had counseled her in all the ways that men were stronger than women more rational. Made of Sturdier stuff did absolutely nothing to intervene. Finally. Terrified for her life Lauren, called out his name confirming his presence in the room for the authorities. It was only then that the smartest man in the world stepped out of the closet he had been hiding in. And finally Lawrence saw him for what he was the man whose initials she had branded into her body was no grandmaster at all. He was a coward. Up Next Keith is tried for his crimes. Listeners it's Vanessa. We all know that navigating young adulthood can be a wild ride for Social Media Star Addison Ray. It's something she couldn't do without her mom Sherry Nicole, in their entertaining new podcast, original series. Mama knows best addison goes to her mom for advice on all things growing up one here more. Here's Addison and Sherry to fill you in. Hey. All, I'm Addison Ray and I'm her mom. Sherry. And every Monday on our new show. Mom knows best. We're going to get real about all the ups and all the downs of growing up finding love and going viral. We have a bunch of awesome topic signed up like living with your parents dating during a pandemic and so much more, and since I know best, Yano ask some advice to share. Okay. But do you really know best is the name of the show? All right. Well, I think we can let them be the judge of that new episodes of Mama's best air every Monday exclusively on spotify. So follow and you can listen for free. Now back to the story. In March of two, thousand, eighteen, Fifty, eight year, old Keith Ranieri fled to Mexico after a deluge of damning press Mexican federales busted in arresting the cult leader on site shortly after his capture, the Mexican authorities extradited Keith back to New York. They're the cops charged him with among other things, racketeering forced labor, conspiracy, wire, fraud conspiracy, and sex trafficking. In other words, the federal authorities believed Keith Created dos. They accused him of coercing women into sleeping with him. Then branding them with his initials however, even though Keith was pulling the strings, he wouldn't have been able to build dos without his loyal army of accomplices. On April second two, thousand, nineteen, forty, two, year, old lawrence salesman pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering in court. She expressed her remorse stating, I'm very sorry for my decisions that resulted in harm to others and not just the victims in this case, but to hundreds of members of our community and their friends and families. Allison Mack was charged next on April eighth. The former CW actress pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy and one count of racketeering according to journalist demand. Arnold? In court. Alison admitted that she coerced women into giving her embarrassing information and photographs in order to blackmail them into going along with Keith's demands. Prefect Nancy Saltzman billionaire heiress, Clare Bronfman, and Nexium bookkeeper. Cathy Russell also pleaded guilty to crimes connected with nexium in court clare like Lauren and Allison. Before her expressed her regret stating I am truly remorseful I endeavoured to do good in the world and help people. However, I have made mistakes despite their expressions of remorse Keith's accomplices respectively face anywhere from two to forty. Forty year sentences behind bars. As of this recording, the court has not yet decided on their punishment. Naturally, the stakes for Keith were much higher. If found guilty, the grand master of DOS would spend the rest of his life in jail and on May. Seventh two, thousand, nineteen, a little over year after his capture. The cult leaders headline-grabbing trial was finally at hand. In Federal District Court. In Brooklyn, all the main players were in their places in obey sweater fifty, nine year. Old Keith sat by his lawyer, Mark Agnew Philo across the courtroom. The prosecutors deliberated in the Audience Section Tony, the tally sat taking it all in the last time. Tony saw, Keith he told her the next time they met. She would be dead or in jail. Yet there she sat a free woman as the rest of his life hung in the balance in her opening statement. Statement Assistant Prosecutor Tanya Jar characterize key. That's a charlatan and to scam artists to compare himself to Albert Einstein while quietly grooming many of his female followers to fulfill his sexual desires under the guise of spiritual empowerment mark. Agnes Philo Keith's high powered defense attorney naturally took the opposite tact. He claimed that all of Keith's actions were done in good faith. Agnew Philo asserted that Keith founded DOS as a sisterhood so that its members could make their lives better. Lastly, he focused on the fact. Fact that seventeen thousand people took nexium courses and many of them got something wonderful out of it. But the again -tarian picture of Keith Agnew Philip painted crumbled over the course of the six-week trial as the prosecution started calling witnesses to the stand over the course of a grueling three day testimony. Lawrence Saltzman took the jury through her relationship with vanguard. She told them how he promised her a baby. Then left her with nothing. Lauren also tried to explain the depth of her feelings for. For Keith saying he was my master, my most important person I respected and trusted him. I wanted to be like him according to Lauren. They had pet names for each other. She nicknamed Keith Dupe, and he called her Lorne slash forlorn because she was quote sad and suffering despite her suffering Lauren told the jury how her love for Keith led her to restrict her diet. Sent him up close pictures of her vagina three times a week and help him craft misogynistic rulebook for. Dos. However Lawrence stated that the worst thing she did at Keith's behest was aid in his imprisonment of Danielle. Flores Keith had confined Daniela to a small bedroom for two years. He did. So after the once promising Mexican student confessed that she had feelings for another man during her imprisonment. Lauren had been one of Daniela's only points of contact with the outside world however when Daniele Beg Lauren for her immigration papers so. So she could return to Mexico, learn denied her request she believed that doing. So would help keep see her as a responsible parent finally causing him to give the baby. He'd long promised her Lawrence sobbed as she explained her complicity to the jury while her testimony shed her actions in an unfavorable light it no doubt cast a harsher glare on Keith especially when the prosecution called Dan Yellow Flora's to the stand. Daniele confirmed that Keith had imprisoned her for two years while there was no lock on the door, the room is a cage in all. But name because as Daniele explained to the jury, her parents were staunch next sins. Keith told them that she had committed an ethical breach. However, he didn't tell her parents that her crime was developing feelings for another man instead according to journalist. Colin. Moynihan Keith, told them that Daniela's enforced solitude was to cure her of the sin of excessive. Pride? Daniela. Knew that if she walked out of the room without resolving her so-called sin, her nexium parents would abandon her. Eventually, however, even that fear wasn't enough to keep her with Keith so one day she walked out of a prison and went to confront the guru in person according to. Daniela. The smartest man in the world literally ran away from her and hid before she could pursue him. She was grabbed by a few of her fellow next NHS driven to the Mexican border and summarily dropped off. However, Daniela's is freedom was bittersweet after all her sister. Camila. was still in Keith's control. According to prosecutors Keith referred to Danielle as youngest sister as Burgeon, Camilla allegedly because he began a sexual relationship with her in two thousand five when she was only fifteen years old despite these claims, Keith treated, Camilo. With the same cruelty, he showed to all his partners. He harassed her to get her weight down to below one hundred pounds, and he pressure defined other virgins on tinder for him to have sex with WHATSAPP messages between the two also revealed that Camille up might have been. Keith's very first DOS slave in two, thousand, fifteen, he pushed twenty five year old come to find a slave of her own texting, I, think it would be. Be Good for you to own a slave for me that you could groom and use as a tool to pleasure me in an even more disturbing message. Key asked Camilo. If she agreed to take a brand, the young woman responded with horror writing. What do you mean branded like cattle? Keith sent back a flippant retort texting. Don't you WANNA burn for me. Camilla did not as a result Keith's initials were never branded into her skin however, the prosecution made sure to inform the jury of the many women within daas who had been branded. They also called witnesses to the stand to detail the many sexual abuses or stunned the women and Dos A struggling actress identified only by her first name Nicole had been recruited into DOS by Allison Mack. She told the jury about her harrowing experience being bound to a table and having an unknown person perform oral sex on her aspiring equestrian. Sylvie who had been recruited by Monica Duran burst into tears as she recounted being coerced into seducing Keith, and yet despite the Harrowing Tales conveyed by the Prosecution's many witnesses in his closing arguments. Keith's defense lawyer Mark. Agnew Philo. Insisted that all of the Gurus relationships were entirely consensual. Ultimately, it was up to the jury to decide and on June nineteenth two, thousand nineteen after listening to six weeks of testimony, they returned with their verdict, the twelve member jury of Keith Ranieri's peers unanimously. Guilty on all seven counts including racketeering forced labor, and sex trafficking. The. Decision was celebrated by several of Keith's victims according to times unions, reporting? Twenty. To tell he wore a striped jail shirt on the last day of her former tormentors trial of her outfit choice Tony said, I, wore this. So Keith would know what he would be looking at for the rest of his life despite her optimism. It's unclear how long Keith sentence will be at the time of this recording his sentencing hearing was pushed back due. Due to the coronavirus pandemic. What is clear? However is the utter degradation of Keith renew his empire. His Lucrative Company nexium was shuttered in two, thousand eighteen and well journalists prank PARLATO alleged that Dasa was still operational. The sado-masochistic Pyramid certainly, no longer boasts keith at its apex as for his right hand woman after posting bail of five million dollars, thirty-seven-year-old Allison Mack was fitted with an ankle bracelet and placed under house arrest where she awaits sentencing. Keith's accommodations are far less plush. He's confined to a six point, eight foot room behind bars even worse. He's known the world over as A. Criminal and Sexual Predator and yet despite the severity of his change circumstances, nothing about Keith's precipitous decline is especially shocking. When he was a little boy, his parents gave him. IQ. Test and told him that he was gifted. The act was akin to handing Keith a vial of poison from that moment on his inflated sense of self only grew to feed his insatiable ego Keith manipulated women into giving him their money, worshiping his brilliance at ignoring his many infidelities and yet even sleeping with scores of women in the lap of luxury wasn't enough to satisfy Keith, he needed to own them. So the self professed genius created dos a group in which he literally burned indelible evidence of his crime onto women's bodies in initialling dos recruits. He might as well have written the letter to the police saying I did it and yet Keith was blind to his folly. He wants compared to tally to Lucifer, warning her that our hubris would lead to her demise unbeknownst to the all knowing guru. He's describing Tony, he was talking about himself and like the fallen Angel in paradise, Lost Keith's actions landed him in a hell of his own making. Thanks again for tuning into cults, we'll be back next Tuesday with a new episode for more information on key through neary amongst the many sources we used. We found scarred the true story of how I escaped Nexium, the cult that bound my life by Sarah Edmondson with Christine Gas Bari. Extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of cults and all other. Other podcast originals for free on spotify, not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like calls for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker. Just dream cults on spotify, just open the APP and type cults in the search bar. We'll see you next time. Colts was created by Max, Cutler and as a par cast studios. Original executive producers include. Max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Mike Romo's with production assist, inspire on Shapiro, carly, Madden, and Joshua Kern. 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215 - NXIVM Cult

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

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215 - NXIVM Cult

"The nexium sex cult founded by keith creepy `super punishable face Rainier in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eight at its height. This nexium had nothing to do with acid reflux medication encountered thousands of members, including celebrities, airs, and heiresses who all paid thousands sometimes millions of dollars to attend a never ending stream of bullshit classes various nexium training centers line at the intersection of a multilevel marketing scheme, a self help group, and occasionally an adult summer camp. Next him was a true cult for a few die-hards. It kinda still is people started publicly worrying about how dangerous this cult might. Be All the way back in two thousand and three, but it wouldn't be until two thousand seventeen when the New York Times published an article about one of its former members being literally branded like cattle as part of an initiation into a secret sex cult within nexium that the group true terrible practices will be brought into the light and finally exposed we'll meet some people seemingly ordinary people that so desperately wanted someone to lead them to enlightenment. They allow themselves to be slowly manipulated into pain to participate in weirder and weirder exercises until he finally agreed to be actual slaves. And part of basically a Harem we'll meet. Keith. Ranieri the devious and perverted mastermind the center of all of this who used his experience at Amway of all places a Michigan based Multi Level Marketing Company and then borrowed a lot from scientology to make people think he was some kind of once in a Lifetime Guru Spiritual Djeddai who had the answer to all of your all of the world's problems. But he wasn't isn't guru. He didn't have any answers, not really Keith Rainier. He's just a man are really selfish sick bad man who convince people that doing what he wanted even if what he wanted was to sexually exploit degrade them was the only way for them to lead an ethical enlightened life. Now, he's in prison about to be sentenced possibly for the rest of his life. Managed to keep nexium going for almost twenty years who the hell is this guy how did next him and other multilevel marketing schemes keep manipulating people and taking their money what psychological processes lead to people getting into, and then to stain in dangerous Colt all of this and more on another Colt Colt Colt addition of time suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to time suck. Happy. Monday you. Beautiful Beautiful Bastards Pale Nimrod loose Safina praise bojangles and sing me triple M had one hell of a week. I'm Dan Cummings the Masters Sucker Cova slayer and you are listening to time suck. Past Week for me and the crew here at bad magic productions was all about Kobe nineteen tested positive was sick for a week. And still kind of dealing with some weird symptoms the queen of the Suck Lindsey tested positive. She's sick right now. In bed at this moment, Logan and Kate keys tested positive also sick. Zach script caper been staying home out of the office away from all virus carriers and the Reverend. Dr Gop while he already had it. And we've been safe around him. Just minimize a very small possibility that he could theoretically get again. Pretty sure. My daughter Roh has a right now she tested negative but has since started showing symptoms and I think my son Keiler is so far dodged it or a symtomatic, and I'm extremely grateful that none of us ended up in hospital we all skip suffering from any severe and scary respiratory symptoms for me most about a week of the worst body aches I've ever had and so many trips to the bathroom that continue. Just for the last one was about half an hour ago superfund. Pretty sure about McGill popped off my butthole several times. So much. Fun. All that toilet paper stocked up on months ago has been coming in real. Handy. So, gladys mostly behind me now thanks for the well wishes I hope you all. If you do get it and be careful I, hope you don't get any worse than. I. Had it. Kovic been spike in here in Quarterlane, the hospitals are currently basically it Max capacity. some are Max capacity shipping people over to Seattle 'cause they're just fucking beds Hope that changes soon. So everybody who needs medical treatment can it? In twenty twenty. Let's get you stuff now. been cracking up this morning at one. A Logan Keith art warlocks designs awesome. New Law Office of Camper y'all him. and Kroll shrubs let t in the store. Bad Magic MERCH DOT COM. And and I'm saying that wrong chase kemper. Kroll, the shrubs lead T. Very much better call Saul vibe check it out. It cracks me up very, very much. also happy. Halloween everybody I didn't didn't feel like doesn't feel excuse me Halloween right now are like Halloween's coming up. This year just feels so weird time just feels very odd. I don't think a lot of trick or treating going to happen, but you know what you can dress up at home and just eat your own candy I guess. Another nexium cold isn't necessarily a spooky topic creepy but not necessarily spooky but guess what have another podcast with nothing but spooky topics? You. Want some late October chills check US scared to death if you haven't done. So already almost sixty episodes now literally hundreds of paranormal horror stories that have now been told become a creeper people if you haven't done so already. And and that's it I feel a little scattered but I prepped into the last seconds some heavy stuff in this one I think I got it a clear I didn't spend as much time on the announcements as the actual narrative. That's where my focus was and I'm very excited. Tell you this story And crazy week recording this past Friday. And and hopefully calm week next week So let's get cold. You let sort of a cold at hung around for roughly twenty years occultist technically just barely still alive occultist. Linked to the bottom of Nexium ziems pyramid of fuck are- cult cult cult. Feel settled in. Now, we've covered lots of colts on time, but we've got to cover a cult quite like nexium the closes we've probably got into scientology. Only makes sense because nexium founder Keith Rainier borrowed some terminology and concepts from scientology when he was engineering his new Colt like scientology nexium posed as an organization providing a path to personal empowerment. An organization included notable celebrities who made huge donations to the causse as a posed past tense because while there are still a handful of followers, you can't really become a new follower because the MLM Colt that this this Cole is based in no longer open for business and it's leaders are either in jail or waiting to go to jail. Put on empowerment in corporate leadership retreats when you're behind bars. Like scientology nexium wasn't based on any existing religion or really religion at all. It's the rare Western. Colt. It didn't spring forth in some way from some form of Christianity. Unlike Scientology Nexium never able to become classified as the religion. On the surface, very corporate executive leadership seminars, but it wasn't really that. That's what it was supposed to be seem to be leadership training had been given more time to grow I. Do feel like eventually it would have morphed into some type of pseudo religion it certainly seemed to be evolving in that direction. The. Next thing called blended elements is self help programs, women's and men's groups, corporate leadership seminars, summer camps even thing the Keith borrowed the most from was multilevel marketing marketing strategy that actually has a lot of crossover with Colt tactics. And within his Weber fucker is secret group within a group called DOS formed that helped to offered excuse me to help women achieve their own power met goals by green to become slaves to a female master. A few master who demand that they have sex with their master vanguard. Aka neary weird way to become empowered toy story is so fucking weird. Some of these women even agreed to be branded human capital the rationalize this is just another exercise and expression of loyalty and empowerment exercise like many of nexium other strange exercises. These assholes asshole sold people on empowerment to do just the opposite by getting them to subjugate themselves to another's sick will. Pretty Amazing Mind Fuck to. PULL, off. The. Only thing next him ever had to do with empowerment which just saying that word over and over. Today in order to better understand the world nexium was born from, we're going to go over how multilevel marketing and pyramid schemes work. Clean some of the most famous schemes of all time. Then we'll dive into nexium specifically following the life and times of it's supposedly one of a kind genius really more of a typical master of lies leader. Keith. Ranieri Right Up to and then through the arrest of many of next fumes leadership two, thousand eighteen on a variety of charges gooding sex trafficking and child pornography. And as I record this, the group still lives on with Keith leading a few devoted just can't let go followers from prison. Find it especially interesting. How fresh all of this is most of the colts we've covered here existed long enough go for US possibly feel like, wow, can't believe we meet sex used to fall for that. Thank. God, we're smarter that now. Don't get to do that today. People people are still falling for this shit right now odds are there are other colts operating at this very moment that we will soon You know talking about here on time suck covering in future episodes, colts yet to be brought down. especially. Troubling about today's call how successful its members were and or are the people who fell for kice bullshit. Many of them very successful seemingly very intelligent people people. You wouldn't least. I wouldn't expect to fall into a cult least not really or at least not until you really dive into their story that it makes a little more sense. Your big time spiritual seeker be careful. You might find that enlightenment. Or you might really taken advantage of stays. Suck is a good reminder that you always have to keep your guard up no shortage of con artists out there in the world. Probably. Never will be. Seemingly, successful and confident folks pushing get rich quick schemes and hack your brain to solve all your life problems. Type Philosophies still attract a lot of interest. Such a sexier pitch than pitch of work really hard for a really long time and maybe you'll get ahead. Just doesn't seem to have quite the same appeal as it who wants to just put their head down and bust their ass for years and slowly grind forward when someone else's promising you that you can skip all that shit if you just listen to them and give them some of your money. Give them thousands to quickly earned millions. What are you waiting for start living in fear? Go for it Gimme all your fucking money. Per Se I, favor a more pragmatic approach I. Think Your Best Odds for career success for example, Lion I assessing where your talents are and second look at the job market figuring out where your career talents are most suited figuring out within that slice the economic pie what you will enjoy doing the most, what will fulfil you the most yards success always go up if you enjoy what you're doing because then you work that harder than third give that job everything you have don't live above your means spend only what you can afford make purchases based on need more often than want. Philosophy again, ashes not that sexy little pragmatism rewarding the patient time and time again. But who has time for patients we live in a give it to me now society let me post those status shots on socials today. My philosophy of personal fulfillment is to write down what you want. Pretty simple. What do you want a relationship right down power and seen it written in front of you what do you want? What do you WanNa live right? That's shutdown. What makes you happy right down You're lucky enough to make it to old age. What kind of life do you want to look back on what would fill you try what legacy do you wanna live or leave excuse me when you die right all that shit down hard to get what you want out of life. If you don't really know what you want is you know you can't just have to be vague concept and expect to achieve it. I read goes down specific goals all the time I write personal reminders put those words where I can see him I can see him every day where I can't escape from them. Do that to hold yourself accountable and that really is the gist of my philosophy I dig into little. Know. Some more intricate details that's basically it and I just gave it away for free like a fucking idiot. Damaged even try and make any you my sex slaves even try and charge a ten grand for seminar I. Don't even have one branded lady let alone a Harem. Shit co-leader. Forget everything I just said cold curious member. You'll never be happy or successful unless you bind to my secret esoteric knowledge. Okay. Motherfucker your dirty little inherent sad worm. You always will be until you by my secrets. Grits let me Fox them knowledge into you. My secrets are mostly conveyed through fucking. Do you WanNa keep struggling or do you want to be fucking success hail? Nimrod only Nimrod has the answers you seek. Only I am is horny profit. Really wondering what my neighbors in the. Complex thing right now, I start coming into work in my courtroom to really make them nervous but seriously real improvement regarding your life circumstances emotional or financial generally takes a lot of focused hard work. Right to make meaningful improvements always has always will and dirty birds kice Ranieri they know that they for sure know that. CO-LEADERS, leaders of the world they know that they're always going to be people who just hate to face that fact. It's going to be people, WANNA shortcut, and they're always going to be lurking around to take advantage of those people to manipulate the desire of those who want some guru to give them a magical shortcut. Speaking of taking shortcuts let's go over what a multilevel marketing scheme is. Right the promise of a shortcut more money more happiness faster than a traditional job. An MLM. That's what nexium started out as according to a two thousand seventeen report the World Federation of direct selling found that there were one hundred and sixteen million independent distributors in the world working under various MLM companies that number way higher than you thought it would be. Way Higher than I expected. MLM's are multilevel marketing companies or businesses that sell their products through distributors rather than through retailer online stores, pretty simple structure. In a normal or traditional business model, the product goes from the manufacturer to a wholesale distributor then to a store then to the buyer but in MLM's the manufacturer sends the merchandise directly to the distributor usually to one person. Where the multilevel part comes in based on the fact that the existing workers are paid a percentage of new workers, sales, new workers, they bring to the company, the more sales people you personally recruit to sell underneath you the more money you make, and you need to recruit people to ask you have a chance at making any real money in an MLM because even if you're able to sell your entire your entire inventory, you only make very small percentage of what you sell because the MLM company gets a cut in every every distributor up the ladder from you gets cut as well. No one's quite sure when these companies started you know a doing these tactics like when I showed up Avon seems to be the oldest MLM in the world at the very least. It's the oldest one is still in operation today probably heard of that infamous makeup company founded way back in eighteen sixty or eighteen, eighty, six, New York City the second MLM. I. Doubt. You can get that one. You really get a you really gotta know year MLM history to get this one MO sources point to walkers a weird California Vitamin Company founded in nineteen thirty two. Walkers like Avon, still around unlike Avon, not doing not doing well I. Think they're doing billions in annual worldwide. A. Selah Organic. See Products. Basically, they sell everything vitamins to dog food to cleaning supplies all of it made in some way shape or form from a seaweed. Then soon, be real popular. I'm amazed they're still around at all hard to build a gigantic business empire when your entire pitch is essentially that seaweed is super cool. Those little excerpt from one of their promo videos. Although there forms and uses are complex and diverse. We know them simply as Siwi. Early eighties promotional video is still embedded on their website not an indicator that the crushing it. And this type of business while not everyone thinks it's ethical is definitely legal. Nineteen seventy-nine the Federal Trade Commission ruled at MLM's were not illegal in the United States and in April two, thousand six the FTC ruled that as long as an MLM company provides appropriate information to prospective participants. So they can make an informed decision about whether or not to buy in this kosher. Of course, companies don't always do this and how much information is quote unquote appropriate that's pretty subjective. Probably, the most famous legal american-based Mlm, company currently is Amway. Company that primarily sells health beauty and home care products. Amway founded nineteen, fifty, nine, twelve miles east of grand rapids. Michigan in Asia. I performed a number of stand up comedy shows in grand rapids over the years and I've made a lot of jokes about Amway and they have never gone over well like at all. Create a lot of tension in the room. People in an MLM seemed to be very sensitive to being teased about it. Always. Gotten a vibe that folks around you know grand rapids real touchy about Amway being labeled as A. Marketing Scheme probably because that's exactly what the fuck it is. It's not a pyramid scheme, but it isn't MLM. How does amway work they make home beauty nutritional products like bleach dish, soap meal replacement bars, smoothies, lotions, toothpaste whips throwing knives, Satanic Altar candles, conquering spite bombs, robots, spider monkeys more. I might have made up those last few but the rest were legit. And they sell a lot of Shit. They do almost ten billion dollars a year in sales some years they have done ten billion in sales worldwide they're huge in each amway product is assigned certain point total and the more products you sell or those you've recruited the cellular neath you sell the more points you earn the more points you earn the more money you make simple, right? Now, really I would have to study. They're fucking point system for at least two or three days to my head mostly around it. It's a complicated in my opinion algorithm that factors in how many points each person beneath you cells also factor in how far those people are beneath you level wise. Also factoring in certain percentage of each sale, you make the changes based on the total volume of sales you and those beneath you make, and well, it makes my head hurt. Many pages of diagrams and equations are required to explain it all in their own company. Litter I downloaded some PDF's watched some of their tutorial videos and it still feels very confusing. But I'm sure the right charismatic. Amway. Seller break down and if I wasn't so skeptical having convinced not only is it easy to understand? It's also possible to make so much money. We. Do not make all the money I don't know. It all feels very less than honest to me just less than honest You know like just by shift from a store by directly it's more pure transaction to me but if it works for you fine I mean their products do look good. If you don't feel taken advantage of maybe you're not being taken advantage of just not for me I remember being approached about amway the brother of a girl I was dating right after high school in my immediate reaction. Then was I want the guy has and everyone I noted by fucking soap and vitamins still feel that way. Avon Amway and Walkers Weird Seaweed Shit vitamins just three of so many MLM's worldwide. So, many companies offering new recruits the opportunity to start their own business under parent company and these MLM's almost always make. Promises about how much people can earn just right away just a few months start making millions now don't miss out on a once in a lifetime wealth-building opportunity. these companies set you up with your own business for a small percentage of the profits, and in turn you get, you get to empower people to start their businesses. It's empowerment train church you all aboard empowerment train. MLM companies tend to really push perceived sense of autonomy in empowerment you're buying into a shady business model you're starting your own small business, your business owner Asterix. Your Business owner who has to sell their products. which on the surface is different than owning like a like a franchise like a Sonic drive-in or Accept here's the big difference with me. If you own a Taco Bell, you're not badgering your grant also own a Taco Bell. You're not telling her that. She should also open a Taco bell and then convinced her French Open more Taco. Bells underneath her Taco Bell. Started a pyramid of Mexican pizzas and locos, tacos, supremes. xanax. The ANC why a lot of people find MLM's very least you super fuck annoying. Not, you're not just trying to get new customers all the time like normal business owner you're trying to indoctrinate your customer into selling the same shit that you're selling and that way to me it feels colty. One newer Mlm I find especially shady is leroux founded in two thou- founded in two thousand, twelve in Corona California. They sell women's apparel unlike Amway, which is now require you to buy any inventory is direct people to Amway's website like it's like you have a little derivative slice of their websites points, all that Shit with Lulu. You have to buy their inventory and then sell it. So a lot more risk with their business model, and when they first hit the scene you by six thousand dollars worth of Shitty. Women's close to get started six thousand bucks as a big commitment right out the rip. Enough to really fuck over someone WHO's only getting into row in the first place because of low on cash. And then once you spent that money, you don't get to choose your inventory. You didn't the company sent you whatever was in stock, and then you are expected to sell it. A little road currently has more than a dozen big lawsuits against them from disgruntled former consultants out of bankruptcy them. Now. You only have to spend four, hundred, ninety, five dollars, and you get to pick your products products that are notoriously shitty, very low quality people signing up. Thanks mainly to the testimonials of a few members who have legitimately become millionaire Selma stuff, and you can't technically become a millionaire by joining an MLM. That's the big appeal that's the basic dream they. Sell you almost limitless financial ceiling, which is true. Technically, it's just really unlikely that you'll be the one to do that according to the Consumer Awareness Institute. Only one quarter of people who get involved in MLM's managed to actually ever make any money at all seventy five percent of the people who try the three or four will literally never ever make any money. None, at all. Of the twenty five percent who will make money fourteen percents we'll make less than five thousand dollars. Total six percent will make between five, thousand and ten thousand just three percent will make between ten, thousand and twenty, four, thousand another three percent will make twenty, five thousand and above that's a lifetime total. And just point zero five percent will ever make one, hundred thousand and above one in two thousand no figures for millionaires are listed, but I'm guessing it's way less than one in two thousand. As you can see you do have a chance. A better chance of getting rich than you do if you buy a lottery ticket, but the chances of making decent money from MLM's pretty slim and a lot of people lose money that they never recoup their initial investments twenty seven percent of respondents to an Aarp Foundation study said, the said they only broke even during their time in an MLM company and for those who do make a little bit of. Money off MLM, they generally have to work so hard for it a website magnify money dot com survey over one thousand multilevel marketing scheme participants from a variety of MLM's found most people when it was all said and done, we're making less than seventy cents an hour, and that's before deducting their business costs and sixty percent of participants said they had made less than five hundred dollars in the past five years. Not. Exactly. Enticing numbers when you look at the cold hard facts. So any company says you know you're GonNa make hundreds or thousands of dollars and just a few weeks. That's the exception to the rule not the rule good to keep that in mind. Are Now. We've gone over what a legal MLM looks like a place where you might make some money if you work really hard and even then you probably won't make much. Now let's over what an illegal Mlm looks like the infamous pyramid scheme. Sure. You've heard that term. A multilevel marketing company becomes an illegal pyramid scheme when the sales people encourage you to buy a small stake in one of Egypt's ancient pyramids pretense that you can turn around and sell that stake to someone else at appear profit. That's one form. Another form of a pyramid scheme is when you're sold a piece of sandstone brick from one of the pyramids and you're told to sell that to a museum at an enormous profit. another especially shady. Pyramid. Scheme will claim to sell you a timeshare apartment located inside of one of Egypt's Pyramids, and then your job is to find other people who will go stay in your timeshare for a profit, and then when those people realize they've been conned when they go to Egypt get there and get arrested for trying to break into a pyramid apartment the pyramid com ca comes crashing down and that is where the name pyramid scheme comes from. It's all about Egypt's Pyramids and lasting I really hope at least one person bought that bullshit. Then push positives episode and is currently trying to convince someone that pyramid schemes have everything to do with Egyptian pyramids 'cause that's crazy. Talk. Now a real pyramid scheme is an MLM that doesn't actually sell any products to customers. They simply just recruit new members, new members who have to pay to join who then turn around and recruit other members who then pay them. Let me illustrate with this with an example founder. Dave Dingle Berry sits atop of ship mountain represented by the number one even though he's a walking pile of number two. Mr Dingle Berry then recruits ten second tier turns to the level directly below him. Each new turn must issue him a cash payment for the privilege of standing on the slopes. Oh Shit Mountain. Not only do those by fees funneled directly into Dave's pocket but each of the ten new members must end recruit ten tier three words for their own for a total of one hundred dumps. And, these tier three thirds must pay fees to their tier, two recruiters who must then send a percentage of their take back up to Dave Dingle, Berry, and so on and so on and so on, and this is different from a multilevel marketing scheme because there's a negligible or non existent product, the main product sometimes the only product and a pyramid scheme is literally recruiting new investors in the mid two thousands of pyramid scheme scam swept through Ireland where people were asked to invest ten thousand euros around fourteen thousand dollars at the time. and also to entice. To Invest, the money was then paid to a fictitious headquarters in Germany. In Germany to get around Irish tax laws investors were told they get eighty thousand euros in profit when after a predetermined period of time, they hopped over to Germany to collect those prophets but no one collected shit because the money never went to any type type of investment people just got sent on a real expensive wild goose chase they just through their money away. Altogether before the Irish government, shut it all down the scammers behind the Shit Mountain costs those bottom Tier Pyramid turds almost thirty million dollars. Was Another pyramid scheme that ran in the US. In the mid eighties called United Sciences of America William Shatner Captain Kirk endorsed him. In while I couldn't find a video of him speaking to this searching for that video led me to William Shatner singing Elton John's rocket man, the nineteen seventy science fiction film awards, and I need to share a snippet of this because is one of the biggest what the fuck going on here clips I've come across in quite some time. Please listen to this. Touchdown. I'm not aligned Sake I am. A rock. What the fuck is going On that was a good idea. I have no other info to share about the United Sciences of America Pyramid Scheme I literally brought that one up just as an excuse to play part of that clip for you you walk. please. Listen to the rest of if you ever get a chance, the link is in the youtube earned the show notes. Now round out our understanding these type of scams by talking about another racket related to MLM's pyramid schemes, and then we'll move on This is the Ponzi scheme. With Ponzi schemes, investors money to a portfolio manager. Then when they want their money back, they're paid out with incoming funds contributed by other investors later investors so unlike a typical pyramid game. Two levels. There's the manager level. The manager makes all the money on the other level everyone risking being royally fucked over by said manager. Scheme is named after one Charles Ponzi in Italian man who a century ago in. Boston Massachusetts figured out that international reply coupons type document. You can send with a letter to pay postage for the reply could be exchanged for stamps. US Postal Service stop selling these two thousand thirteen because not enough people wanted them and because they're fucking confusing. I know scheme based on coupons and stamps sound stupid and boring stay with me. It only started out as being about that and then quickly became its own day. And places where the value of the currency was low like post World War One Italy. These IRC's could be bought in exchange for stamps in the US where they had a higher value. So basically, these coupons created a potential financial loophole. You could buy the equivalent of a US stamp with Italian money overseas pay a lot less than it was worth and then sell it in the US for an immediate profit. In theory, Ponzi quickly figured out how to sell the possibility of an almost immediate positive financial return on investment to a number of investors. He set up his own company, the Securities Exchange Company in January of Nineteen Twenty in Boston in the. First month eighteen people invested a total of eighteen hundred dollars and he paid them promptly the very next month, but he did not pay them with money. He made buying IRC's for less than they were worth back in Italy and then selling them for a profit in the US. No, he paid them with more investment money obtained from new investors and the Ponzi scheme was born as time moves forward Ponte. Realize it was actually way harder to change the season into cash and he I assumed it worked in theory but not in real life and the more IRC exchanges he sold the more impractical it became to cash them all in it became a logistical impossibility. For example for the initial eighteen investors of? Nineteen twenty for eighteen hundred dollar investment, it would've taken fifty three thousand postal coupons to realize the prophets he sold them on getting a lot of coupons. For the first eighteen investors for the subsequent fifteen, thousand investors, he would have had to fill several titanic sized ships with postal coupons, just ship them to the US from Europe, he needed transport millions upon millions of these couponites supplanting gave up on ever completing a coupon transaction. Once he got going, he realized he didn't need to do anything with him. He just needed to keep selling more and. More people on the money, they could make with coupons. So he can just keep know his house of cards scam from caving in on itself and for a little while this worked beautifully, investors kept investing and reinvesting especially after July Twenty Fourth Nineteen Twenty when the Boston post printed a favorable article on Ponzi scheme soon, Ponzi was making two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a day a day nineteen twenty. It was as if he had literally built a cash machine just printed money. But it, but it didn't last long by August authorities caught on on. August eleventh it all came crashing down I oppose came out with the front page story about some of his criminal activities in Montreal. They'd uncovered thirteen years earlier, which included a forgery conviction that sent a wave of investors to withdraw their funds and when more people started to withdraw than people were investing the Ponzi scheme fell apart real quick. That afternoon the Bank Commissioner where the ponds held his money froze funds do to numerous irregularities. The GIG was up after his money was frozen investigators had begun to examine his investment firm. The Pons knew he was going down, turned himself in and was imprisoned. And most of his investors Shit luck some lost all their money. Some got a little back and totally lost about twenty million, nineteen, twenty, approximately one, hundred, ninety, three, million in today's dollars. One More Ponzi scheme example just because it's interesting and more recent and fairly well known. Stuck about Bernie madoff. Bernie. Made Ponte's came collapsed in two, thousand eight and cost investors roughly eighteen billion dollar so much money. Made off was at one time the chairman of Nasdaq he knew all too. Well, what he was doing with investments he started his firm and nineteen sixty as a penny stock trader with Five Thousand Bucks money earned from working as a lifeguard and sprinkler installer. And the way made off claimed he was investing was complicated. We won't get into that here but he wasn't actually doing much investing. We just put money in a checking account. Investors who gained access to mate off typically did. So on word of mouth referral, believing that they had entered the inner circle of money-making genius and his scheme began to unravel in the fall of two thousand, eight market downturn accelerated with the real estate market collapse as the market's decline accelerated investors tried to withdraw seven billion dollars from his firm and to pay off those investors may need new money. From new investors but due to the market's decline, those were those people just weren't coming in by November of two thousand, eight the balance in his business account where he stored on his investment money drop to dangerously low levels he just had barely enough in the account to meet is payroll on November nineteenth by December he was stalling with investor she didn't have the money to pay all of their withdrawal. Requests on December tenth, he suggested to his sons Marken Andrew that their firm PAT over one hundred, seventy million in bonuses. Two months ahead of schedule from two, hundred, million in assets firm still had mark and Andrew confronted their father ask him like what are you fucking do and how can the firm paid bonuses if they can't even pay investors and at that point made asked us tons to follow. Him into his apartment where he admitted that he was quote finished and that the asset management arm of his firm was in fact, nothing more than a Ponzi scheme in his words. One Big Lie Market Andrew reported their dad to authorities. How sad for them to realize that their father's business a business he'd hired them you know to to help him with with giant con wasn't a financial guru fucking liar. On June twenty, nine, two, thousand, nine made off with sent two hundred and fifty years in prison. He's in prison right now. So Pyramid Scheme Ponzi Scheme MLM company why do these people do it? I think the simple answer is greed they do it because they want lot of fucking money. and this type of crime when you can get away with it pays a lot more than running a legitimate investment company. Also and I'm guessing a bit here power and control. And who else loves power control co-leaders loved to have godlike influence over the lives of their followers. Who Run these financial schemes love the con- itself as much as the money that comes with it or if they truly love to people. To prove themselves over and over and over and over again at they're smarter than all the people who've trusted them even if they're not smarter just less scrupulous. And what about the people who buy into these schemes they keep falling for too good to be true. Investment promises some MLM's or able to drag their profitless participants the ride for years how? Because MLM's often affects victims in psychological way similar to how a cult effects cult members according to Rick Allen. Ross. An expert cult de Programmer Colts, and MLM's are incredibly similar over the years. Ross has helped e program more than five hundred Colt victims. MLM's pop up. So frequently in his deprogramming temps, his line of work that an entire chapter of his book colts inside out devoted specifically to an amway intervention. An Amway. Is actually where next co-leader Keith Ranieri got his start. According to Ross most destructive cults and MLM share three defining characteristics. One a charismatic leader who is worshipped and revered to a culture of coercive persuasion or thought reform in which all members of the group are taught to think alike and isolate themselves from anyone who questions their devotion and three sexual economic or other forms of exploitation of group members by leaders obviously with MLM's expectation usually economic, not sexual. Like a CO leader, the MLM leader controls everything regarding how individual members operate within their group charm by the opportunity of making money have a community people suddenly find themselves under the control of a powerful institution like co-leaders. MLM's heavily promote the success of the distributors who do Prophet and they shame those who don't. If a cold you don't believe the leader is the one true. God. Or a prophet of the one true God right? That's that's not the the leaders problem. That's your problem. US Don't have enough faith you maggot. You don't make money in an MLM. That's not because the system is built for everyone to succeed is because you aren't trying hard enough to succeed. You're the problem not the system symptoms perfect. Maggots, worship, the system, civil vitamins you lazy fuck hail the Good God Amway. I just felt ten central. Michigan members lead to Costa curious. Once people began working for the company. MLM doesn't tolerate questions or criticism I do not defy the God Amway Hail. Amway. Take. Amway's probably the most harmless group by the way just cracks me up to tease him. Douglas and Brooks. In Attorney who represents victims of pyramid schemes describes what often happens when a distributor questions and MLM's authority says, you're trained to avoid people who questioned whether this is a viable business or not, which is exactly the same technique that cultures. They try to isolate you from people who question your belief system I've been contacted by number of people who deal with colts, survivors, and some of their clients are former MLM. People. As time goes on and participants lose money, their self esteem diminishes they feel at fault for their failures anytime the attempt to blame the MLM system the blame is shifted back on them by other distributors who are unwilling to accept criticism about their company like a cult. MLM's also tended target the desperate who to colts gopher often they go after people who are down on their luck and some people who are lonely spiritually hurting lost souls desperately looking for a home lonely souls looking for a sort of family MLM typically go after people who are financially hurting people who don't seem to have or at least feel like they have many other financial options. Now, let's talk about some very fascinating psychological principles. That we've talked about. To some degree here in the past and the suck I but were discussing here again. The key to why people throw more money away after initially Louis Money Shady lies in the psychological principle of doubling down when our brains try to prevent us from acknowledging that we've made a bad decision doubling down on a decision is the result of to psychological processes at work cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect I find all the so interesting and kind of a bit depressing but also interesting. the former involves the difficulty in reconciling to opposing ideas. In the nineteen fifty-six book when Prophecy Fails Psychologist Leon festinger and his co authors describe what happened to a UFO. Coat when the mothership failed to arrive at the appointed time instead of admitting error quote members of the group sought frantically to convince the world of their beliefs. They made a series of desperate attempts to erase their wrangling dissonance by making prediction after prediction in the hope that one would eventually come. True. This UFO Colt scenario is an example of cognitive dissonance. The stress we experienced when we hold two contradictory thoughts, beliefs, opinions, or attitudes. Cognizance is what we feel when the self concept I'm smart I'm kind I'm convinced belief is true is threatened by evidence that we did something that was not smart. The we did something that was not kind and hurt another person or ourselves that the belief is not true to get away from these uncomfortable feelings you either have to modify your view except a new evidence and come to terms with the fact that you fucked up and made some terrible choices or you can deny all incoming evidence, the points to you fucking up and if you choose the path of denial. You. Start walking down a real shitty path that has literally never made anyone a better person. when you refuse to admit your mistakes, you train yourself to be less open to constructive criticism, which is not good. If you care at all about evolving improving constructive criticism helps hone skills correct bad habits prove yourself overall ironically doubling down on a shady MLM company that claims to empower you. But does the exact opposite makes you stop growing as a person right when the whole reason you're there was to grow as a person. And I get it you know taking criticism it's not fun I struggle with it every week. Get Nice emails, good reviews, lots a blast right getting critical emails I. Definitely think sometimes and it's the most when I know the right. I got some emails regarding the American ride suck this this done. Now done because I realized I did get some things wrong and you know and that doesn't line up with how I'd like to see myself as someone who works really hard to try and get things right that I perhaps didn't analyze some evidence to the best of my ability that I used the wrong descriptive terms I you know kind of shorted a portion of the episode should've spent more time on it every balmy out because criticism was correct. After, beat myself up for what I had to remind myself that it's okay to be wrong as long as use that experience to motivate yourself to work harder to be right the next time to improve at remind myself. It's okay to feel stupid sometimes to be stupid okay to feel inadequate. That, I should use those feelings again to improve was not okay to brush off criticism just think fucking nailed it. They're wrong. Could you come into the best? That type of arrogance. Great Way to quickly become the worst and I only bring up myself. Here's an example because I'm amazed how hard admitting to be wrong as for so many people I feel like many people see a sign of weakness don't do that. It should be seen as a sign of strength be strong enough to admit that sometimes fucking week everybody fucks up. And the person who can't do that the person who never apologizes person can't handle criticism who has no humidity I watch out for them never trust that person as the kind of person who either runs or joins a coal to the runs or or join Shady Mlm. Right refusing to accept you messed up a great way for a member or follower to fall further into something like a cult or an MLM set cut your losses, realizing mates, decisions, and getting out. The other psychological process I mentioned he's people from throwing away more money or the keeps people skews me now from keeps people throwing away money after initial loss is the backfire affect. The backfire effect illustrates sadly how our brains in some ways they know work to. This describes as frustrating concept when being corrected actually make some people feel more correct in their original original faulty belief. This was originally proven this counterintuitive principle by to Grad Students Brendan Niane and Jason Ruler in two thousand, ten based on their research of a single survey item. They asked a bunch of people whether they believe that immediately before the US invasion Iraq had active of mass destruction. But before US forces arrived Saddam Hussein was able to hide or destroy them the people who responded. Yes. That's what happened were then presented with evidence to the contrary well documented evidence that Saddam had not hid or destroyed the weapons and then they were asked again did Saddam hide or destroy the weapons to the researchers surprise the participants said they still believe he did and many of them. Now believe this to an even greater degree than before after being presented with evidence to the contrary how fucking maddening is that? Interestingly, this concept may hold the key to why arguments online rarely get solved according to David mccranie and his book you are not so smart, which should be evident from the studies on the backfire effect is you can never win an argument online when you start to pull out facts and figures, hyper links and quotes you were actually making the opponent feel as though they are even more sure of their position than before you started debate as they match your. Fervor the same thing happened in your school. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs correct or not. How depressing right for some of us when our deeply held beliefs are challenged with contradictory facts not opinions facts instead of relenting to the new knowledge. We instead double down on our now proven to be incorrect beliefs and defend them even more instead of changing our minds while the fuck someone do that. So incredibly logical. So annoying. Unfortunately we do it because we're not cold emotionless robots and our brains aren't built on just logic according to researchers as human beings. Our brains love consistency more than logic. Sometimes, we WANNA stay consistent with our self image and we prioritize information that is consistent with our current beliefs over other information even when the other information is actually correct. The backfire effect helps to stay consistent with our previous beliefs patterns by strengthening those beliefs when they're threatened psychologically, it's easier more comforting to stay consistent than it is to be right. Change is stressful even when it's the right change and right there, that's why it's so hard to fucking argue about politics doesn't matter if you write some people will just never ever hear your truth or the truth, and this is also why it's so damn hard to get some people out of a cult or to get them out of an MLM. Right or in the case of the nexium cult, why was hard to get people to recognize they were in Mlm and in a cult, the more facts people through them about how shitty their Colt was the more they doubled down defended the more entrenched they became. This is why and I know this sounds crazy. Colt ever gets their hooks into one of my kids. It's going to be real hard for me not to just straight up fucking murder the leader. Feels like killing them, we'll be a lot easier than trying to deprogrammed followers right murder sometimes, I, am very much in favor of it not kidding. Too Bad. 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Keith's father James worked in advertising and his mom actually named any sources I can find taught ballroom dancing family moved to suffer in New York thirty miles north west of Manhattan plays once cry by the New York Times as small town America near the Big City Keith was five. Neither parents far as I can tell, seem to recognize that Keith, with some sorta once in a lifetime prodigy, a spiritual master he was not seems place in any kind of school for the gifted dad would tell one of his girlfriends later, a Barbara Bouchet Keith was super intelligent and apparently keys really ran with this. Barbara said that James is dad related to her when he told his son he was very intelligent. Maybe even gifted that with Keith it was almost like a switch went off suddenly overnight. He turned into like Jesus Christ's he was superior and better than everybody. He was a deity. He said it was that dramatic and profound he went. He said it went right to his head. SUPERFUND kit. Parents. Divorced when he was eight, his mom who is living with a heart condition and who keith references being somewhat of an alcoholic became his sole caretaker dad wasn't around much. Then he was sixteen his mysterious mother mysteriously dies co-leaders man so hard to dig into their backstory sometimes because they love to hide it right the more you know people know about their childhoods, the heart is for them to lie about their childhoods. and. He lied a lot is we're gonNA, find out. Around the same time Keith dropped out of high school moved to Albany where he enrolled in the Rensselaer Polytechnic. Institute. America's oldest technological. University. That actually is fairly impressive, not necessarily indicative of the genius. Keith would later claim but proof he was no dummy RPI alumni include the current president of Marvel. One of the founders of Silicon Valley the CO founder of nvidia Co founder of Texas instruments the founder of Garmon the founder of how stuff works the inventor of the fucking microprocessor a man known as the father of modern television astronauts, tons of professional hockey players, senators, military commanders on and on and on. It is a prestigious university, but you know who's not listed among the very long list of notable alumni boy genius, Keith. Raniry. Keith later claimed that he received three degrees from RPI math physics and biology. Claimed of also minor in psychology and philosophy but he did not that's nonsense records show him having just one degree a bachelor's of science biology if you majored in anything else was bullshit. He's claimed that he was a genius student but his transcripts say otherwise you maintain a two point two GPA at RPI on exactly genius. Level C. Student. Keith would convince followers. He spoke in full sentences at a year old red by two years old and taught himself to play Concert Piano at twelve. The same year he allegedly learned high school math, all of it and nineteen hours. Exactly Zero family members have come forward to validate these one hundred percent unsubstantiated claims. Keith also claimed to have won an East Coast Judo Championship at age twelve and set a record for the hundred yard. Dash? Is a teenage. He was smartest fastest kidding all of new. York. If only was possible to validate or invalidate these additional. it is. Rene Reborn in nineteen sixty became a teen in nineteen, seventy two, which means you stop being a teen in nineteen eighty. So if he set this record, it would have happened during eight year stretch, right? The New York Sports Writers Reference Website Lists All New York State High School State Champions from nineteen seventy two onward for outdoor track works out nicely for us here nineteen seventy seven was the last year the one hundred yard dash was run then became the hundred meter dash and no state champions also listed and Keith Ranieri not listed on this fucking website anywhere weird that the kid who set the state all time record never even. One St and what about his judo champion claim Rene was eleven and Nineteen seventy-one age he most often claimed he won that judo championship searching nineteen seventy-one and going every year for a decade on either side of seventy one, there is not a single news report of nearly winning any judo championship in any of the fifty one hundred newspapers archived by newspapers dot com including renew his hometown newspaper the White Plain Journal News White Plains. which might have thought it was newsworthy that an eleven year old hometown boy defeated the assembled judo masters of the fucking entire East. Coast another obvious lie the only proof that ever did this shit as key saying he did this shit. and. Big Things to investigative journalist Frank PARLATO A man who helped take down keys holt for that information. Frank used to be the publicist before then dedicated his life to destroy this group. Once he found out how terrible they were. So yea, Frank Hale Frank. Keith, also claimed to possess one of the top accused in the entire world. This is my favorite nonsense claiming his. This because it's so over the top. A Forbes article he was on the cover of Forbes in two thousand three when they were real suspicious about this guy they were talking about how he's just a weird executive coach. Stated that he claimed his IQ was two, hundred and forty. Two hundred forty is fucking absurd. Any score over one hundred and sixty is considered genius. The highest official score ever recorded Maryland Voss Sant Parade Magazine's ask Maryland Advice Columnists who logged a score to twenty eight as a kid? recorded. In the Guinness Book of World, records. So how did KI score over thirty points higher than that? The short answer of course is that he didn't Another lie he's with great success to get people to follow him his fake I q one of his biggest selling points. One of his most important recruiting weapons he commits follow after follower literally the smartest man in the fucking world. and. He had kind of proof for this kind of. Helped himself his life, he did get listed in the Australian nine thousand, nine, hundred, nine Guinness Book World Records for being one of the top three smartest people in the world according to this super q and part of the Super Iq group called Mega the Commence Alight Collection of supposed geniuses requiring a minimum one, million IQ level formed by philosopher Librarian Ronald K offline. But then this record was taken out of the book the very next year and it never showed up at any other countries editions in. Nineteen. Ninety Guinness Worldwide retired the highest category after concluding IQ. Tests were too unreliable to designate a single record. Weird coincidence almost seems like after reviewing keys record, they realized he'd con them. They should just get the shit out of the book. Is the people againist one except a record you know it's nonsense because they accept almost fucking everything. People with their names this book for most most toilet seats broken by the head in one minute forty, six by Kevin. Shelley most watermelons chopped on the stomach in one minute twenty, five Jim. Hunter write their names book Keith not so much kicked out. Keith did take the MEG IQ tests and at home I, Q tests, which means it was real easy to cheat on it and very few people took the test he took it was never peer reviewed. There's no way of knowing how tough this test was how rare key score is so safe to say like a lot of co-leaders Keith made up this crazy impressive backstory just to recruit people into his cult. Then at some point, the early eighties Keith worked for Amway. The MLM we mentioned earlier sources don't provide an exact date and amway. He would learn many of the tactics would later put into use when he creates. Hey lamb way blessed be the sacred vitamins and carpet cleaners. May, that may the Amway open and bestow quality organic protein bars among us. Nineteen eighty-four key the twenty, four We had the first known red flag appearing in regards to how truly monstrous the students. That year Keith Meets Gina Melita a fifteen year old who performed with him at an RPI theater group that included members of the community. After meeting, they started going to arcades together played pacman hanging out having Soda Keith describes himself as this genius judo champion She's impressed. She thought it was cool to hang out with an older accomplish smarter guy who might help her graduate from high school earlier early as he promises then he takes virginity and they have a four month relationship that she hides from her parents and that's how you know the you're operating on a higher spiritual level. How you know you're real guru when you're twenty four and you either can't get another adult to fuck you or worse you'd prefer not to fuck other adults. Also, in nine, hundred, eighty, four gene Melita introduces keys to another fifteen year old girl Gina Hutchinson guessing you probably can tell where this is going to go. Gene is older sister Heidi goes to the COPS accusing Keith having sex with underage sister after catching keys sneaking into her little sister's room one night through her bedroom window. Another indication of greatness. Old enough to be a doctor and her climbing into the bedroom of fifteen year old at night to bed genus. Dad Wasn't home man some twenty, four year old breaks into my daughter's fucking room. I'm GonNa take great pleasure and taken fucking batting practice swings against their skull. I'm GONNA, paint the wall with their fucking brains. Hate this guy so much. Have you seen pictures of and by the way he is so fucking punishable and he looks like the dude who would do this straight up just looks like a PTO and that's coming from a dude rock and roll creepy stash the moment. Out Keith get savagely beaten in prison. keys told Heidi, he was enlightened bean an enlightened excuse me and Gina was spiritually older than her physical age that's a new one. No I was not molest fifteen year old I was having sex with thirty year old she is older than me spiritually. He tells authorities that Gina is a Buddhist goddess that the two of them are meant to be together forever and then charges are never pre-. Pressed against him because he convinces Gina's parents, he's going to marry Gina. He does not years later. So sad genus thirty-three she goes to a Buddhist monastery in Woodstock New York and shoot yourself in the head killing yourself Hard not to wonder if Keith sent her down the path that eventually led to that sad and tragic conclusion dude his fucking poison. Row Nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight excuse me not ninety eight Keith moves to a townhouse in a middle class suburban development in half moon just a few miles from clifton-parks cluster of chain stores, Restaurants Albany years. Later when he starts nexium followers will flock to Albany in droves. But before before nexium other is consumers byline. This is the first MLM keys founded. He does this in nineteen ninety it sells groceries goods at a discount to those who sign up for memberships. A members are responsible for recruiting other members at its height. In the early nineties. Ranieri has two hundred and fifty thousand distributors nationwide and one hundred and seventy three direct employees. Local papers in Albany portrayed heat as an eccentric appealing genius noted that he only slept a few hours a night she's working. So hard he juggle he could ride a unicycle how people know he was a genius how the paper No he was sleeping a few hours night because he told them not proof. Also in Nineteen Ninety Keith the future Benevolent Guru. Rapes and other kid a kid much younger than the other kids as super geniuses are want to do He hires a twelve year old dog Walker who is unnamed in the paper that broke the story. The Albany County? Times Union Keith appears to have hired her to groom her and get close to her showering her with attention. Before he takes virginity, he's fucking thirty years old she's twelve. This guy is followers dancing and support him outside the prison where he's being held right now. So Fun. Why did they support him still? Cognitive dissonance backfire affect. Dublin down. According to the, Times Union this young woman, this girl said she had sex with Keith at least sixty times including in the office for his members only buying club consumers byline where her mom works. So he met her. She later grew so uncomfortable with their relationship she ran away from home. When did the police a nice ninety-three there wasn't enough evidence to charge based on her confession and she was too uncomfortable to wear a wire and get Keith to admit to it. So he gets away with again. Nineteen ninety-one Keith meets Tony Natalie an actual grown ass woman who would become his girlfriend for several years. They met at a Holiday Inn near the Rochester New York airport and ninety one Keith multilevel company consumers byline rapidly expanding. He's coming to the holiday into Pitch Natalie and her husband to become new members some cajoling from her then husband Natalie decides to hear Nereo despite being burnt previously by different MLM. Long. Self conscious about her own education having dropped out of high school in. Tenth. Grade not knowing when she dropped out that she was dyslexic when she heard key speak she was convinced he was the real deal was a genius he said so and he would make a rich he also said so. Now in her husband bought into consumers byline they. WanNa. Be They went on to become top sellers in the Rochester area often traveled to Clifton Park y'all when he suburb where he lived to visit Keith at the company headquarters first time they visited Reno's the smell of cigarettes on natalie she later said, yes if she wanted to stop smoking she told him. Yeah she did. He proceeded to lead her to a quiet room and they talked about what made her nervous about? What made her anxious he touched what he called her trigger points on our hands telling her to touch them when whenever she got the urge to smoke, she returned Natalie's husband asked what took them so long lost in conversation and something of a meditative state she thought had been about been about fifteen minutes. Now told her it was more than two hours because dude hypnotizing talk about that later within a year literally hypnotized. Within a year Natalie and her son now moved to Clifton Park after an nearly secures her job with the Skin Care Company that consumers byline had partner with. A long before Natalie's marriage ended and she took up with Keith man how fucking pissed her husband he talked her into joining keys Mlm, and then this dude seduces are away from him. How much this guy want to kill Keith I am continually surprised that more co-leaders murdered by the family members of their followers I. Truly. also, this little example shows how smooth Keith could be. How did he steal Natalie Away There's some hypnosis stuff we'll get into later but also he was a really good listener and some interviews. I. Watched with former members. They talked about how Keith could make you feel like you're the only person on earth. Right, they talked about how he has this gift it's ability to listen. So intensely to focus on you. So intensely, how could he make it seem like your problems with the only problem? Is that mattered in moments when focused on you? He made you think that he knew how to fix you. I've heard followers Jim, Jones, David Koresh, other co-leaders, talk about them in similar ways. He was able to do that. 'cause these guys know how to pray on people they know who to prey on. They know what people need attention just basic need to feel cared about attention. They know how important is to us? How many of us desperately want someone really really listened to really focus on us to have someone who really truly seems to care about our struggles with the human condition all of us want some form of that and a lot of sadly don't get it from our current friends or partners of families and these co-leaders fucking know that. It's like if we were all plans, they know how to recognize which one of us our, which of us are the driest which US need the most water, and then they just give us that water and it feels so good. We feel just you know so loved and understood really were just being manipulated fucking predators man narcissistic predators who have no problem knipling others to put them under their control. Nineteen ninety-three The New York, Attorney General Files. A lawsuit against consumers bioline accusing it of being a pyramid scheme because it is. Rene claims that his company does not require distributors to pay for the opportunity to sell memberships earn commissions on the sales of the people recruited below them. People who wanted to could pay separately for the membership in the buying club. He said the New York attorney general however is like fuck that. He torney general feels that the difference between people who pay for membership and those who don't is fictional. The state's complaint said, the emphasis in CBI is clearly not on the sale of a product but on recruiting new organizational rose to boost membership indeed the only product in CBI is the membership. CBI is a classic pyramid. Scheme? When serve with his lawsuit Rene attempts to or excuse me admits to no wrongdoing settled with the state for forty thousand dollars. HE MAKES CHANGES TRIES TO WALK Company back from being a pyramid game to a legal MLM, and then he closes shop in nineteen ninety seven when he can't do that and he closes under a mountain lawsuits. And then he starts another MLM. Ninety-seven the National Health Network were sold vitamins and never really got off the ground. It only lasted two years before collapsing ninety nine. But opening this company which did include a brick and mortar store health store did lead him to meeting his second in command more on that person in just a second. Also, ninety seven, Tony, Natalie, and keeps relationship begins to break down Natalie would later say and interviews. What he does is he elicits as much information as he can almost as a friend you're sharing with then he takes those things and he manipulates you with them far more troubling Natalie alleges that Ranieri raped her numerous times during their relationship. She said that he began to force himself on her against her will sometimes while her son slept next room is such a sexual deviant molesting kids raping adults. And two thousand eleven statement to the police. Natalie wrote prior to leaving him. I was raped repeatedly by Ranieri each time with him. Telling me it was harder on him than it was on me and that we needed to be together. So I could share in his energy. Gross. Malice in her son to live with his father and ninety eight left keys in ninety nine. A little over a year before Natalie, left in late ninety-seven Ranieri mets a psychiatric nurse. Nancy Saltzman at the health food store. He owned in Clifton one. He tried to launch that Mlm off Nancy will become his second in command. These two WACKO noodles really hit it off. Keys told her. He was an enlightened being a world class genius wanted to share his gift of enlightenment with humanity and Nancy buys US bullshit because she also crazy. Nancy is a con artist when she met Keith, she was super into hypnosis and neuro linguistic programming a method of change. Another person's thoughts do communication techniques awesome. Colt. Recruiting tool she was a trained hypnotist cult expert Steve Hassan thinks she taught case who was very interested in hypnosis at the time how to literally hypnotize people into following him in an interview. With Vice Assan said I've talked to more than a few ex-members now who talked about their first meetings with case, they have no memory of what happened. These are two or four hour meeting. Remember that meeting earlier within smoking. Day. As an expert who studied LP? I, think that's indicative of them being put into a hypnotic trance state and specifically giving a suggestion that they'll have no recollection of later when it's you know what was said or done how fucking scary being hypnotized into joining a cult being brainwashed that way and divine his bullshit do fucking evil wizard. Nineteen Ninety Eight saltzman incorporates the group that will become next Yemen. Delaware for tax purposes while a headquarter in it in upstate. New York saltzman wrote in a brochure. There was probably noticed goverry since writing as important for humankind as Mr Neri's technology high praise. What technology talking about nothing? He's Keaton have any taxis had ideas that he called deck? started the organization as a Self-improvement multilevel marketing company that offer executive success programs or es piece Corporate Leadership Coaching, and they were real successful. Roughly sixteen thousand people will enroll in these personal development classes and workshops to overcome psychological and emotional barriers. renee didn't just promise to unlock clients greater potential. He claimed that his methods do shit like cure ailments like syndrome even help kids speak up to thirteen languages. Let's look at nexium sane methods philosophy. This ESP Ranieri based nexium series of techniques or technology as he called it that he believed could heal individuals and transform the world. That's what he said. The courses taught that everyone was was responsible for their own reactions to the outside world and with enough integrations, you could reach unification in which you'd be happier better more meaningful. nexium featured a twelve point mission statement which participants recited pledging to purge themselves of all parasite and envy based habits to enroll in such courses and two ethically control as much of the money wealth and resources of the world is possible within my success plan classic Mlm Bullshit in order for this to work for you, you got to get others to join. You can't keep my incredible technology to yourself. The important technology the world has seen since the invention of writing that'll be too selfish selfish get others to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for me to hypnotize him with my bullshit. Getting. Help the world by getting so rich and then give me. Nexium conducted intensive classes for twelve hours a day for sixteen days with new members more classic culture where people down get him tired more tired. They are greater the odds they'll eventually just let go with their critical thinking just buy whatever you're selling. one-sided price for these workshops was seventy, five, hundred dollars. Classes were divided into modules in one module relationship sourcing students were instructed to explore the benefits they would receive in the event of partners death. The shady. Dell find out which money you'll get if your partner dies, you can give it to us take more modules. Another Module Dracula in his ghouls funding. Are. Reportedly discussed psychopaths and their followers how ironic? Other module titles included best people, perfect world and the heroic struggle. Next time also offered the Rainbow Cultural Guard. An attempt to raise super kids by immersing them in a different language. Each day of the week from Infancy Children's spent most of their time away from their parents in this module thus making them ripe for cult indoctrination. And not. Terrified at all that this is. A module run by fucking pedophile another group Janus claim to be about the empowerment of women with Multi Day training courses, using core next materials. But we'll see later it was breeding ground for a secret sex cult pervert keys was cooking up in the background. Photographs of Ranieri Nancy Salzman were displayed during all of these seminars which always concluded with participants having to show gratitude to the two leaders cult cult cult, this gratitude portion. So critical to turning from an MLM into a cult fine line between demanding gratitude and encouraging worship. These courses were tiered kind of like an scientology how you can pay to level up get you could buy more secret secret and sacred knowledge with next CMU paid thousands to take a series of initial courses and then you are offered the opportunity. To pay far more for advanced classes classes top by people with no teaching accreditation as members level up, they earned new funds, sashes that superfund you pay millions to get a sash. Each sash to noted different lightman status nexium classes rank was signify by the wearing of these colored sashes very similar to how color belts are used in various martial arts classes. You want to be a six degree spiritual enlightened blackouts. Cool. Just get down on your knees and suck his Dick. I mean pay thousands to take his classes and. Or if you're if you're lady preferably, no older than fifty. Each color, the hierarchy, not only a higher state of self awareness but also reflected members ability to recruit more members. The process for moving up rank was up to the leader Keith Rainier who wore white sash always claim to be a student for a forever student humble master. General involved taking more classes pay more money, and of course, recruiting new members. White sashes were for students who just joined anyone who paid to join gotTA white. Sash. White Belton. You know karate whatever yellow sashes were for coaches members who work for free for the organization teaching lower level classes members who still paid to take classes seem ethical. Orange sashes is that that's the next sash those were for proctors. These people were able to earn a small salary or commission for recruiting new members. However, you had to pour a lot of money into the organization to make back a small salary. Green sashes were for senior proctors Green Sash. This is insane to me a green sash cost around a million dollars. A lot of money for Greenpeace of fabric. I wonder if someone listing Green, Nexium Sash folded up in a drawer somewhere and I wonder how badly they want their million dollars back. Blue Sashes or for councillors and they cost five million dollars. The fuck. He's members could make salary with a blue sash, but allegedly was nothing compared to the money they just put in. Then there's goes even further purple sashes are for senior counselors no word on how much this one costs. But allegedly only three next members ever got a purple sash, those poor meisel bastards. I'm guessing what ten million bucks at least. For each those. Black sashes were reserved for pedophile who figured out how to molest twelve year old girls and not get caught case where his black sash under his white sash, and then he would wrap a second black sash around his heart evil tiny Dick. JK But probably about the tiny Dick Speculation. and then there was one more real sash. There was one gold sash and that was reserved for the prefect and the prefect was co founder Nancy Evil Wizard hypnotist. This rigid hierarchy pushed members to revere those with a higher level of sash to whom they were encouraged to pay tribute in words and deeds to worship worship. Worship the good God amway next. Along with other and classes nexium also had a bat shit personal dictionary. For example, elusive therion was nexium preferred term for type sociopath one with severe behavioral problems that are mass by good psychological adjustment who has described in a patent pending patent. Typically experiences pleasure or gratification in situations where normal people would be reposed disturbed. Another key tried to patent they used the word Lucifer in China Patent Luchino. Hey Elusive Fina great goddess of the suck. Did you know by way that if you pay me five million dollars? I'll give you fucking sash. And conjure up. The real is Athena and she'll say with you and bestowed Divine Sexual Conquest powers unto you that will make you able to seduce anyone at anytime. Then you can use your newfound sexual power energy to manipulate those around you gaining basically anything your heart desires and Luchino will even change gender. She gender fluid to appeal to whatever your sexual preferences she could be man she could be a woman You don't believe me. We'll just give me that five million dollars and I'll disappear and go live on a beach somewhere improve it. One. For next year member speaking on condition of anonymity learned about such a person Luthier, and of course, called the fall as in the fall Lucifer took in Milton's paradise lost. She said there are meant to understand that people who left nexium or Luciferians loss people for whom bad feels good and good feels bad. So basically, Keith nance stole a page at a scientologist playbook here. A luciferians is just the equivalent of a scientology suppressive person. In the next in program which. has claimed copyrighted also tried to patent renew describe some people as parasites a term usage. Wise. He borrowed from an rand. All parasitic strategies, lower self esteem, and therefore destroy value neary said in his patent application it is our intent to rid the of those things that destroy value. We can do this by modeling effort strategies with our own behavior and helping others learn to use them. This is spreading the mission. Piece of Shit Rene also borrowed the term suppressive from scientology just gave it a different meeting. They referred to an axiom those who impeded progress up the precious sash ladder. Sub Trying to try to stop me from session up you suppressive. He also came up with cool nicknames from Self Nancy. Renee was called ventured because he was the leader of the Philosophical Movement Saltzman is I didn't was prefect vanguard item it vanguard that nicknamed sounds more legitimate than any my nicknames like suck master or Bojangles Ball Washer. Okay. Keys bogus technology also played a huge role in convincing new members that they were doing the right thing by joining nexium. He's always talking a lot about technology nece patents this pants so weird to me. He never invented anything. He submitted a pans all the time, but he never actually made anything. He submitted a patent for a some kind of find my iphone type device that no one bought. He submitted a patent for sleep guidance system that was never made no shit. He submitted so many patents because it made him. Look cool. A genius genius patents shit to quote Vanity Fair Keith Ranieri exploited a common misconception about a tedious bureaucratic process to spread the gospel of his genius. And by this, they mean, you don't have to be genius to submit a patent for anything except to fill up paperwork. Rational inquiry the behavioral therapy at the center of next public facing work almost always described as patent pending technology and company literature. Winner Bio says that he has a one hundred and forty seven international patents including forty-seven in the US in a variety of technical fields. Claim is very debatable. Two thousand seventeen Vanity Fair investigation did find about forty US patent applications he'd filed. One former member said the patents were always a conversational piece amongst members. It were touted all the time as not just what he's working on but why he is great why he is so amazing he's still humanitarian. He's building all these things to help the world. A patent pending was a phrase used by those next highest ranks all the time a former follower recall that it was placed at the bottom of many of the ESP curriculum sheets unanimous former member explained we took it to mean that patent is in effect. That, it has been proven. This is his invention you know. Let's not. Pat Penny means the phrase simply means that a patent is in the process of reviewing anyone with any kind of know how of patent filing can just file an application and have something that's patent pending. And a lot of his pending patents were fucking nonsense one example the method apparatus for improving performance is apparently a way of increasing performance on a treadmill by increasing speed over time Lehman might recognize this approach as exercise. Do, try to patent walking on a treadmill. I should mitt a patent for methods apparatus for improving performance through Stationary Respite Aka sleep. Sometimes the Delusional Rene thought he really did invent something and he'd try to make money going after companies who use technology he claimed to have patented. Jackass, you went big. You went after Microsoft at and T. with the claim that he invented some type of teleconferencing tech and he didn't. He lost in two thousand fifteen when he couldn't prove you own the patent you can bring because he's delusional. Maniac is all smoke and mirrors has many patents were always a big talking point at Vanguard Week V. Week next week long celebration of keys birthday Before this dudes cult fell apart this motherfucker was making his followers celebrate his birthday for an entire week sometimes. This event began as a single day to honor the birthday of Ranieri, and it eventually expanded to eleven days. Members of next year would come from all across the country candidate in Europe to worship there idiot king hail the good God Amway Maker of Quality Multipurpose and affordable laundry detergent. Key celebration was held on various campground resort sometimes on the West. coast. Sometimes, Albany attendees would pay a up to thirty five hundred dollars to stay resort and attend V. Week. According to one former member, and this is on top of all the money to spend classes. According to one former member there was always some sort of entertainment or some different kind of tribute to Keith from the different centers. There'll be performances of singers directed Keith. It was all kind of centered around kice an idea of the to case celebrate piece work. Out. During. One V. Week one member testified an attorney stood on stage with Ranieri who held large plaques engraved with five to six patents. Remarry at all this fucking crazy padden talk. V. Week included areas of interest called objectives for members to work on like singing dancing drumming. Like a summer camp for adults. Him Feature. You Know Rene, onstage, you know talking about thanks for I don't know worshipping me. October two, thousand, three in a Forbes piece on next Edgar Bronfman senior. A Canadian American billionaire businessman tells reporters that he believes nexium is a cult. The seems to be the first time. Anyone had done this publicly. Bronfman's daughter Sara and Clare, were in the group and Clare had already given Keith a two million dollar loan that he would never pay back to help fund it. This is the first widely reported instance of someone again in the media labeling nexium Colt Michael Friedman the author of the Forbes piece wrote to keys followers described him as quote one of the smartest and most ethical people alive. A pedophile align pedophile the Forbes piece goes on to say they describe him as a soft spoken humble genius who can diagnose societal ills with remarkable clarity. They say his teaching as teaching as an inspirational executive coach can empower some of the most successful people in the world to attain ever higher levels of status and money why his program can cure ailments like diabetes and scoliosis. Oh, boy, the dude who never went to medical school current scoliosis now. Probably, submitted some kind of nonsensical spine straightening patent to Smith some series the pictures of someone laying on some table like medieval rack type contraption, pulling their feet and hands at the same time in opposite directions until pop that spine is straight baby. By the time Keith is amassing quite the follow including celebrities prompted by word of mouth network they include Sheila Johnston Co founder, of B., E. T. Antonio Novello, former US, surgeon general Stephen Cooper acting, chief executive Enron Seagram Fortunes Edgar Bronfman senior who took a course in inbound salves Colt but you know got his daughters Anna Christina Fox daughter of the Mexican president. Dude was straight hypnotized all these mother fuckers, intelligent people, successful people and ambitious people just desperate to become more intelligent and successful. In two thousand, five, Keith Sunk Nexium hoax and Sarah Edmonson. Let's see how he did this as a you know more in depth personal example of how this cult sucked in members. Sarah decides to attend a spirituality themed film festival with her husband good place to recruit called members people to new Spertzel ideas. Sarah like her life was a standstill as an actress, she was barely enough work to keep herself in a basement apartment. She done some beer commercials but felt to work with meaningless nothing like the artistic career she'd once imagined. At the film festival she meets a man named Mark. been. Seventy who'd made a movie called what the bleep do. We know a movie that looks fucking terrible Super Wackadoo. Thirty four percent approval on tomatoes. This is show what kind of films are Being Played This Festival Peter Hal from the Toronto, Star gave it the following review the film with the year's most unfortunate title also happen to be candidate for the year's worst film. Luminaries, from the New York Post more succinct saying two hours of New Age, Hui. Jack Mathews from the New York Daily News gave my favorite saying quantum bowl. BLEEP would be more apt title for the conclusions at this movie draws. WACKADOO nonsense. The movie describes itself as a film that takes viewers on a journey to unlock the secrets of life. How very ambitious snippet. From this pile of Shit's movie trailer. Real trick to light is not to be in the know. But being the mystery. Ponder that for a while. Your ponder that for a while mother fucker ponder that statement that sounds intelligent but means nothing. Pretentious assholes. Something kind of Shit someone says when they're three days into the first philosophy class and they're desperate to sound deep. Sarah, of course, loves a terrible movie tells mark. So you're applies if you'd like the movie, she might like a sixteen day empowerment program he recently took. Here we go. Oh coat coat coat. A group of people including Mark Sarah and Sarah's husband go out for dinner after the film. Festival I'm guessing having incredibly punishable conversation that would make me WanNa take my salad fork and jammed into either one of their mouths or one of my ears. Sarah was coughing badly this dinner trying to hide a cold. She'd had for weeks between hacking fits consent. They took her aside an astro bizarre question that you never heard before he said, what would you lose if you stop coughing? As in what would be the downside? If weren't sick? This is the kind of counter intuitive bullshit questions. People would ask next courses to spark a quote unquote epiphanies and it prompted a burst of self reflection Sarah. She realised her coughs when attempt to get her husband's attention, she had subconsciously believed that sickness would earn the care and love she's so craved. I remember thinking wow. Whatever mark from what the BLEEP is up to. I want to know that to Edmonson told a CBC of your sounds like market really lucky here. Philip. The I ninety nine times probably asked the question other people they said or at least self like are you talking about Aso of fucking cold? That's why I have a cough. and. Sarah did have a cold. That's what's so crazy. She just let him trick her into thinking some other bullshit to somebody hearing what they want to hear. Sarah decided to take the intensive course but skeptical at first her parents were therapists. So she taught there was nothing that these people teacher. That she didn't already know she found the group to be strange initially because it was. The end of the meeting they bowed and said, thank you vanguard. she thought that was strange but the facilitators explained that everyone has titles. Doctors are titles since he has a title. Can't have a title right He's the vanguard and he's earned his tile means he's the leader of philosophical. Movement. How did he earn it through the triple P. Method of Guru ship philosophy pats pedophilia Bo boom boom. Sarah also noticed that people were sashes. She figured that you know whatever people martial arts wear sashes you know everything she had an issue with was explained away. She was still little little weirded outs at the first day She Google the company called Mark said, what did you get into? Then Mark said, don't think what did you get me into think what did you get me out to ponder that for a while they hung up a justice man bun transition to new yoga posts and then mumbled to the air around himself on the wisest. He didn't do that stuff fill the kind of do she should he do He actually said anyone can write anything about anyone online. Of course, there are smear campaigns and haters and stuff like that classic defense anyone can use to defend anything. Sarah Decides to go back on the third day, she has some profound realizations with the Executive Success Program called integrations. Sir would later write the by the end of the fifth day. I. Had more clarity. I was making better decisions. I understood people better. I thought this was the key to success and happiness but there was also this nugget they left you with there was this problem with you you had to resolve, and of course to fix that problem that required more trainings. There's a momentum being committed to a group that you think is good and there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance to make your choice. Good Choice. When you spend three thousand dollars on a five day training, you want it to be good. You want it to be a good choice. Yeah. Something I got out of it or I got something out of it. Yeah it was amazing. Really good. Same thing. A psychological phenomenon you stick with it and I think there was a part of me wanting to be right that it was good. Yeah. When you spend, you know three thousand dollars on five. Deter you? WanNa make a good. Of course you do no one wants to feel like they threw away that money right doubling down. So crazy I've watched recent interviews with Sarah and she seems Nice but she does not seem like someone who has their shit together now spent all that money. She would go to these classes for years and she still seems like someone very unsure of how life works on a basic level classes didn't teach your shit probably smear more insecure are from two thousand, five to two, thousand, nine, zero travels back and forth between New York and Seattle where there's an axiom center to take all kinds of less than spend money on these fucking lessons goes into debt every three months or so the center takes a five day training program where people fly of new teacher. Training Sarah ends up taking on this. New, role managing five day programs after paying for a bunch of them by her own admission. She was good at it good at bringing people in she was working for free also pain for other classes feeling she's getting deal she would eventually make some money but probably not as much as he spent Sarah noticed the next GM was much more than classes. It was a community people who are in nexium had friends outside but increasingly found themselves getting closer and closer only two people inside the group obsessed with discussing nexium techniques coat coat cooked. Having a dinner party with next infringement constantly dissecting your fears insecurity sends annoying. On their plate, for example, other group members chime in with probing questions in an effort to overcome the block. What would you lose if you stop this behavior is refusing to share holding you back. Dear God I would have never lasted a day with is knowing lunatics hangers holding me back at Grady, Dick Wade's. If you want to some steadier meatballs or somers check, yourself could fuck off my plate. two, thousand, six, he takes a step further creates Janus a group focused on female members. Some of the teachings initially seemed reasonable enough. In the beginning of the course titled Raw men and women were encouraged talk about their genders, genuine experience of life and sex, and how the other sex often made them feel repressed denigrated ashamed by voicing these feelings which can be taboo to speak out loud men supposedly developed compassion for women and vice versa. Janus was priced at five thousand dollars each day workshop of which there were eleven. Chill fifty. Five K, to become a Janus fucking jet I what a deal. Thank you. Lord Amway Great God of quality reasonably priced cookware. The workshops progressed Ranieri retold followers that they must accept women and men are wired differently. Men are repressed and do not enjoy the same rich experience of existence as women, but they have an understanding of right and wrong. Women can be disloyal have tantrums and get away with whatever they prefer. Rene that introduced a theory about ancient men that he called. The primitive hypothesis emphasizes that men are naturally promiscuous and there's nothing you can do about it and women are monogamous and the grooming begins I'd bet my life us paying real close attention to which attractive women bumped on this, which didn't starting to pick out his harem. for men only nexium offered US club called the society of protectors. In this group introduced a concept called collateral or collateral collateralized in word which members understood to be adding extra leverage to your conscience. If a man didn't uphold his word about running, for example, perhaps the whole group would be punished and have to go the next mornings coffee. As, we'll see later collateral took a different approach for women. And two, thousand, six, actress Allison Mack attempts I next meeting. She's GonNa become a main figure and all of the ensuing insanity born July twenty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, and West Germany Mac live the first two years of her life in Germany before a family moved California her first acting job at a little toddler was for German chocolate company in a series of print ads and commercials she went onto appear in dozens of television movies and shows including the direct to video honey. We shrunk ourselves her childhood manager Diane hard later say she was just this great kid who seemed happy mature for her age very responsible. But she moved into her teens she was poised but lacks sophistication need help with their makeup style recalled her former agent judy savage also had touch of Naievety said former friend. The only thing I can think of doing thing I can think of is she so badly wanted to connect to something that she didn't see the rational side of things. The person I knew way back when was very curious about the world in relationships I. Think she was just constantly searching for something that was missing in her life friend set. Mac was eighteen when she was cast as Clark. Kent Sidekick chloe Sullivan on smallville addictive TV series about a young Superman and ran for ten seasons on Smallville chloe was clever. But grading best friend next to the theory Dream Girl Lane Alang played by Kristen Crook fans were cruel and contrasting the two young woman's looks and it was not lost on. Mac was sensitive to the criticism after high school, Mrs or Ms Mc. Move. From her family's home in Las Ellen Alameda California to North Hollywood had a group of industry friends including her co Star Kristin cruch and crew brought back to her first meeting of Janus that women's group under the umbrella of Nexium. The weekend. Seminar was held in Vancouver Hotel on Saturday morning and late two, thousand, six several dozen people filed into an unremarkable hotel conference room for the two day introduction to Janus maxine to bask in the attention from CO founder. Nancy Salzman. Saltzman Mrs. Osmond was teaching a workshop speaking about how men are genetically poly-amorous said Susan domes owner of Nexium Center. Who's there that day? Or I guess former owner by the end of the seminar. Allison had grown close to Ms Saltzman and her daughter. Lauren. she was she was excited. Sorry it was a mrs one doesn't Miss I rode wrong when he has missed not you guys are like, wait a minute. She misses her miss I need to know. She's missed. And by the end of the seminar. Closed Solvent and her daughter. Lauren. She was excited when Sara. Bronfman? Seagram's liquor fortune offered her a ride on a private jet to meet Keith for nearly back in Albany by the end of the weekend Mac had a new best friend Lawrence Osmond and the prospect of meeting with the Guru everyone at the seminar she said Yes to Albany and that decision led to other decisions that have her now home on bond awaiting a judge to sentence her to probably thirty to forty years in prison. After that weekend Mac returned home to her boyfriend. Check who would immediately tell her that she was thrilled who who could immediately tells me that she was thrilled about something. Crow. Chuck in not Mac had been living together for about three years seen a couple of actor friends already get involved with Nexium Mack told him. She wanted to share this powerful experience with them and even though Kortrijk check was a little uncomfortable he agreed to go to Albany to meet the nexium inner circle. That was the part that scares me the most Crocetta later said of his girlfriend sudden shift in perspective before we had conversations about it and we both thought it seemed Kinda weird and creepy. I don't necessarily know if she thought it was creepy but we agreed seem messed up now Mac was one hundred, ten percent on board which he still had reservations krawczyk one to himself if the tools were really so powerful in the leaders were such committed humanitarian. Why aren't they giving it away for free? Exactly they were running a sex cult. MAC was invited into next hume's inner circle very quickly croce tagged along in the beginning but soon realized, he didn't have the money to go further with course coursework for a while Mac paid for his courses. He tried to pay her back She eventually spent between twenty and thirty thousand dollars on his courses. Ye. December first two, thousand seven host Acapella Cappella innovations in Albany she then judge in Aqaba innovation competition took place from April fourth to April six, thousand, eight nexium attempts to attract college age recruits with Acapella innovations a festival for college a Cappella groups I'm guessing Keith was using this as a way to scope out young potential future sex slaves. In two thousand, nine mark. Ponder that for a while in Centurion Sarah Edmonson open an nexium center in Vancouver. Canada. Also in two thousand, nine. Barbara. Bouchet Financial Planner Confronts Keith about his secret sexual relationships with both clients and board members as well as other improper business practices. Barbara had been keith girlfriend until about ten months before the confrontation according to Barbara who we met earlier when talking about Kice Dad Keith pursued her from day one Nancy. And his inner circle continually saying he's praises tried to encourage Barbara Datum six months after they met ninety eight they did finally start relationship then about a year after the relationship began Barbara. Began to suspect a case with seeing multiple women at least three of them found later was seen at least nine other women while she was dating him before she left nexium when Keith disappear for days at a time. Barbara openly wondered where he'd gone a first. And then a high ranking nexium women pointed to her abandoned issues as the daughter of an alcoholic father as the root of her suspicions, her issues with problem not Ranieri perhaps he was absence because he was trying to teach her a great wonderful lesson about one's expectations of another being perhaps he was having other relationships for her benefit. Nice. Baby if you WANNA. Look at it like I'm fucking around on you and we. Train your trust and possibly giving you semester td's that's on you. That's your Shit right that's your perspective from my perspective. I'm taking my Dick and I'm using it to teach you to be more forgiving of others every time I put my lesson cock inside another teachable moment puss, you should be thanking me. Thank you Keith by helping me volve but fucking other women open leader. Now bow down before the good God amway. Guard environmentally friendly dish soap, and knock off energy drinks. Barbara ended the relationship a year before she left nexium says, Keith gave her the silent treatment told anyone who asked that Barbara had committed an ethical breach that was so bad couldn't talk to her again totally how dare she try and take his philandering and use it against him? After Barbara Confronts him eight other women leave with her which effectively closed down multiple training centers including the one in Seattle. Now instead of Vancouverites comedian south of the border coursework like they did in the early two thousands. American. CLIENTS START COMING TO EDMONDSON's thriving new center. Sarah's benefiting. Now by the time Barbara Left, she'd given Keith wants six million dollars for savings so much money money she gave him as a loan. This is pattern here. People fucking throw money this guy Money Barbara gave keys to cover some bad investments that genius made us know the money he was getting from his bullshit courses. Eventually Barbara asked to get the money back. He's refused he encouraged her to think of her loan as a humanitarian donation. She was upholding his great mission and to take it back would be incredibly selfish. And she never got that money back. She filed a lawsuit case was used to drag those out in court. Human pain a new class is offered at nexium centers beginning in two thousand eleven. The curriculum is an eight day level to training and starts with the concepts of collateral penance people are encouraged to put down collateral wait to their word for their commitments. If he didn't complete your goals or something you said you were going to do people were encouraged to sleep on the floor take cold showers for women. penance was all about calories according to Sarah Edmonson a woman who we've met earlier she was put on a three hundred calorie diet three, hundred calories a day. Because of some brief she committed she was only eating frozen do keeney and tomato stew, and this calorie punishment had nothing to do with self help and everything to do with Keith Liking women to be exceptionally thin. By this time, he's sleeping with God knows how many of his female followers February of two thousand twelve some experts publicly state that nexium is for sure a colt now, not just some MLM bullshit and times union piece some cold experts point out that the terms and rituals and nexium are very like one cult expert even lichens renewed to David Koresh of the branch Davidians claiming the leader directed one of the most extreme culture he'd ever studied. As far as Keith on a two, thousand, Fifteen Keith takes his Co. even further forms dos the secret group in a group that would lead to his downfall. Dos stood for dominance obsequious terrarium Latin, phrase which roughly translates to master of the obedient, sisterhood. This group is designed to the women would recruit other women and give them assignments as their quote masters all framed as an exercise in mentor ship. With group was really about with providing Keith with an endless supply of young women trained to do whatever they were told sexually. He now starts keeping a rotating group of around fifteen women for sex forcing them to eat highly restricted diets because he liked his women again to be exceptionally thin women are assigned periods of Celibacy while they wait for their turn for Kista, fuck them when it's not their turn, they're not even allowed to masturbate according to later F.. B.. I. Complaint Masters would give slaves assignments that either directly or implicitly required them to have sex with canary then did other assignments. Appeared designed to groom slave sexually for Rene down the road, it's getting crazier house all this rationalized. How can they still think of him as a benevolent ethical leader? He's convinces these women he sexually healing them now by literally fucking them that's how brainwashed they are. He's pushing them pass sexual trauma and empowering them sexually by demanding they performed sexual they're not comfortable with women in interviews. I watch wouldn't say what these acts were other than they were exceptionally demeaning and degrading. He's doing it for them, doing it to help them push pass issues. And two, thousand, seventeen next him continues to spiral downwards into further insanity. One member recalls that when she is diagnosed with breast cancer next him associates tell her that she has given herself breast cancer why it's a desperate attempt to get her husband's attention and then they do something even more gross. They tell her that instead of spending the money, she has raised online for her breast cancer treatment. She should give nexium that money and make the ethical decision to die cult cult cult. Give us your cancer money please the good. God Amway Lord of affordable. anti-wrinkle cream and multi-action fluoride toothpastes. I know by the way that next has nothing to do with Amway at this point. Just cracks me up to call their Amway fucking rally and way people even though they didn't even have a gun. Also, two thousand Seventeen Lauren saltzman travels to Vancouver to visit Sarah Edmonson catch up and visit though the women had previously been very close. Lauren had been the maid of honor at Sarah's wedding was Sarah Son's godmother lately, they drifted apart a bit Sarah was hopeful that this visit was going to bring them back together. And it would in a way she did not anticipate after a few days on the trip lauren take. Sarah Aside and tells you that she wants to invite her to something really amazing like the most amazing something that's going to change Sarah's life Lawrence says it had changed her life already completely but before she can tell Sarah about it Sarah has to give her something so it has to give Lawrence to prove she's not going to talk about it with anything with anybody else like what Sarah Lawrence. said it could be anything nude photo, family, secret nude photo, new video anything that would keep Sarah from talking about it. When Sarah says, makes her uncomfortable Lauren tells her that. That's a good sign. She should feel uncomfortable right? Uncomfortable is good. It. Means that you're pushing into new territory giving lauren nude blackmail photo would obviously be a good thing. Wake up and smell the Spread Eagle Crotch shot Sarah this year. Good. Sarah agrees drop down a list of bad things that she and members of her family have done. Laurence says not enough. So she writes another list she lies about things makes up bad shit. You know makes up stuff like her husband beaten their kids which wasn't even true that he was unfaithful. That wasn't true and then she gives Lawrence of nude photos. Should have still crazy lauren than tell sore with the big secret is it's an international women's group doesn't have anything to do with executive success programs enough do nexium doesn't have anything to do with keys. This is, of course, all lies has everything to do with Keith. says. It's a worldwide group of women bad, ass bitch camp as she described it, some women called the group the vow others referred to it by the solemn name. Dos Domini dominance obsequious sororities Dasa Lauren describes it as a sorority. The first step is a commitment to Lauren A, lifetime commitment Sarah as deep she already is with all this bullshit still finds us concerning, but she figures well, she's already made a lifetime commitment Lauren by being a best friend was so different about this. The second thing is a valve obedience Sarah would be the slave lauren would be the master the concepts especially how it's worded creeps out below and explained just an exercise come on guys. Thank except he's a weird just be my slave stepping weird about it match would help slaves count calories to save them from the trap emotional eating. MASHES dictate an act of self denial like cold showers or rousing yourself from bed at four am were told to do acts of care for masters perhaps bringing them coffee slaves also committed to abstain from orgasms for a period of time to help them heal their negative sexual patterns. Such weird shit. She told her that each master was supposed to bring in slaves and then to become masters, those slaves recruit more slaves of their own. An estimated one, hundred, fifty women with altima join. Some of the slaves call these other sisters. And Sarah agreed to be Lawrence life and then in March, of two thousand, seventeen, the infamous nexium branding goes down. Sarah flies to Albany for this kind of fucking slave master ceremony. She told is going to be a special initiation and it's GonNa have a tattoo element this worry. Sarah. Should have this. All insane. She doesn't have any tattoos. No piercings besides your lobes wasn't something she went on her body which he tells. Lauren. Lawrence says that they need to work to Sarah's fears together the tattoos meaningful says Lauren, it's just GonNa be mountains and water to symbolize inner strength. Lord Than Bring, Sarah to a guest room tells her to get naked and put on a blindfold as one does for a tattoo. Shut all my tattoos every single one of them I got I got naked blindfolded, and then the tattoo artist shove stuff my but is part of the process. That's how the ink cures the stuff shutting your but. Come on you got. Yours. So she goes this thing she's blindfolded gets naked. Sarah does this cheers movement in the House it's other slaves Lorne has more slaves they would all be gathering together for the First Time Sarah had actually been excited about this now. She thought I was going to be like a family reunion when we talked about it later this. She's brought to a living room blindfold taken off now she finds herself sitting there with four the women, all of whom she knew from next GM naked all the women are shy trying to cover themselves up Lorne tells them get over it get over your body issues, your sister's. Use Sisters be negative either you know how that works as with the rest of nexium anytime anyone has a concern. It's immediately pinned on their fears. Right is their issue. Dr Daniel Roberts enters the room lauren. Tells one of the women on the table the women now take turns holding each other down as Dr Roberts uses a cauterize device to series two and symbol below each woman's hip a procedure that took twenty to thirty minutes per person really painful women are crying and shaking at one point they put on surgical masks because of the smell of burning flesh the room. Each time new woman gets on the table Lauren and structures instructs her to say master please brand meet it will be an honor. Sarah wants to run, but you can't think of what to do. She's feels paralyzed. She's naked in a house in Albany. She didn't contact anyone and you can't talk contacting telling people about what she's already done, which gives collateral the nude pictures the video testimonials trash talking her family she feels committed. She listens watches two women receive brands then gets on the table herself later Sarah would realize the brand wasn't a mountain wasn't a river. It was fucking case initials K. on her hip. After realizing, she's been branded to be keith sex slave. She finally nexium turning over control the Vancouver Center to other next to members she urges Mark Mr Ponder and Sunday to leave with her which he does and the to spend the next several months cold calling other next to members and their families urging them to sever ties with the organization. One of the people contact actress Catherine. Oxburg. Mother of India Oxen Berg who joined next when she was just nineteen and two thousand eleven catherine it actually introduced her daughter India to the group figuring it help her daughter develop leadership skills few years later at Rainier his trial and ex nexium member known as Nicole would testify that allison mack forced India into a star starvation diet allowing her to eat only five hundred calories a day until she got down two hundred and seven pounds. In the also received a brand became part of Harem before she left the group in two thousand eighteen. Okay October seventeenth two, thousand, seventeen, the New York Times publishes a major expose about the organization and its branding ritual Keith has finally push it too far. Having these women literally branded turned out. That was the line that ends up bringing him down. Sarah. Edmonson speaks out about her experience about being dos being branded. She poses for picture for The New York Times where she shows the brand on her pelvic bone shocks readers shortly after the New York Times article appears for nearly bounces. He flees to Mexico where he spotted several times walk into a secured gate community in a suburb of Monterey. Many of his rich Mexican donors live nearby rumor starts to swirl about an FBI investigation to find him Rene Disappears March Twenty Six two thousand eighteen the FBI does find Ranieri. They find him in Mexico charging with sex trafficking and forced labor crimes. Finding neary was very difficult because he'd begun to use end to end encrypted emails. He had stopped using his phone. He wasn't using his own money down in Mexico federal authorities said that near did not hold bank accounts in his name at driver's license. For, more than a year, he had used a credit card account associated with a dead lover to make purchases. Prosecutors. wrote in the past year and a half the defendant and the mother of his child have access hundreds of thousands of dollars from a bank account in the same dead lovers name, which contains over eight million dollars that account belong to Pamela and Fritz. A NEXIA member who died in November of two thousand, Sixteen Rainier taken into custody after Mexican immigration officials help. Eight track him to a luxury ten thousand dollars a week villa near Puerto. Vallarta Mexico where he was staying with several of sex leaves I. Guess Yeah just one day after the F. B. I. Coronary News Start to speculate about what other people are involved. NEXIUM suspected criminal activities. Other arrests go down in April two, thousand, eighteen, The New York state licensing board charges brandon porter in Albany based doctor for moral unfitness to practice medicine negligence, gross incompetence and more for his role in the Colt. Also that April smallville actress Allison Mack is arrested charged with sex trafficking forced labor in Brooklyn Court. Assistant US Attorney Mora. Mora, of Penza, says, Ms Mack was one of the top members of a highly organized game designed to provide sex to remarry under the guise of female empowerment. She starved women until they fit her co-defendant Sexual Feminine Ideal. On May thirtieth. Two Thousand Eighteen Matt claims she came up with the infamous brandon ritual and at times interview she explains the inner workings of Dos. In order to join the alleged slave, a slave master Sorority, she says, members were ordered to adhere to low calorie diets, subject themselves to humiliation and undergo the branding ritual. On. July. Twenty Fourth Clare Bronfman. Nancy. Salzman. Lauren salesman and Cathy Russell or arrested and charged with racketeering. For their alleged involvement nexium prosecutors allege that the four defendants recruited in groomed sexual partners for area and used harassment coercion and abusive litigation to intimidate an attack perceived enemies and critics. On March thirteenth, two thousand and nineteen. Nancy Solomon Plead guilty confessing that she has tracked and monitored women within Nexium and other shady. She becomes the first person to take a guilty plea associated with nexium saying in core that she closely monitored suspected moles within the Colt an ordered people to destroy videotapes that documented some of Rene Shady, your teachings. She said, I want you to know I am pleading guilty because I am in fact guilty she said through sobs I accept that some of the things I did were not just wrong but criminal. On march fourteen two, thousand, nine, nineteen. Is Hit with additional child pornography charges federal prosecutors say the Rainier had sex with a fifteen year old girl who later became his first quote sex slave and then he documented the encounter he also is accused of possessing child pornography going back to two thousand. Two Thousand and five damn. During his trial will come out that he had more than one hundred slaves and that they were as young as fifteen and a messages shared with one young slave requested the follower find other virgins on tinder saying younger is fine younger and younger than fifteen. This piece of Shit. It was also alleged that if his slaves didn't do as as as he asked, he would punish them by putting them in a cage sometimes making them hit each other with leather straps. Why would he do that? Because it was what the Good God amway decreed wise Lord of water purifiers and empowered drinking water. On. April. Second Lawrence Solomon confesses to helping enslave for two years. She pleads guilty when the woman did not complete a request Saltzman confessed that she threatened to deport her back to Mexico. On April Eighteenth Allison Mack pleads guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy in one kind of racketeering. I've come to the conclusion that I must take full responsibility for my conduct and that's why I'm pleading guilty today maxine court. The next day on April nineteenth. Clare Bronfman pleads guilty to conspiracy to conceal and harbor illegal alien for financial gain as well as fraudulent use of identification. June, nineteenth two, thousand, nineteen after nearly six week trial. Rainier. Found guilty of seven charges including sex trafficking sex trafficking conspiracy racketeering conspiracy to commit forced labor dozens of women testified as trial about the abuse they suffered at his hands in the began for all of them by taking courses with nexium. One Young Woman Dan Yellow originally from a small town in Mexico testified that she was so inspired by Nexium, she decided to move to Albany for one year to be mentored by Ranieri Win Their Rene Punished Aniello by forcing her to stain room for nearly two years. She's lady was putting a fucking cage basically for two years unable to see anyone from her family. Danielle said she had a sexual relationship with Barry as did her two sisters and that they were forced to have abortions when they became pregnant. Nicole and actor who became involved in the group after taking courses testified that she was blindfolded tied to a table sexually assaulted by an unknown dude while Rainier stood nearby and Astra invasive questions about our sex life when the incident was over, she was told by Rene that she was brave and that nothing bad had happened. He claimed the exercise was helping her become sexually empowered Dole about empowerment industry way rationalize rape. Jay Actor and model told the court that the reason she joined us was because it was described to her as a program where women pushed one another to be better J. testified that she had confided and other DOS members about her experience being abused as a child she testified she was stunned when Mac instructed her to then Seduce Ranieri telling her it would heal her previous sexual abuse trauma. That's how you get over abuse by actually abuse more. January twenty twenty nexium faces a lawsuit big one plaintiffs. Some eighty individuals allege that they've been lured in by false scientific claims before before paying thousands if not millions of dollars becoming victims of a pyramid scheme in painstaking detail, the lawsuit explained how people with college degrees and white collar jobs got trapped up in. Nexium. Membership accent was by invitation only before the first class recruit recruits were required to fill out long questionnaires about their views on wealth religion children, other topics goal according to the lawsuit was to pinpoint their insecurities and weed out skeptics. One former participants said that next films recruiters look for trust. Fund babies in Hollywood actors and that many next members had been survivors of sexual assault their fears and abuse confessions would be used against them if they tried to leave nexium how fucking evil And speaking lawsuits I almost forgot about we do have one final sponsor time suck is brought to you today by the law office of Chase Kemper and Kroll. Have you been branded by fake genius. As your mind but melted by never ending patent talk. Have you paid thousands of dollars for months of useless psychobabble. Have you been tricked into bow before the Great God Amway If your life has been negatively impacted by Keith such punishable face Ranieri. Please call us today. Also we're currently still investigating claims that his colt may have been infested with shrubs looks. That did further damage to members destroying their relationships while Keith destroyed their minds. Keith. May himself be some kind of male shrubs sluts? SHRUB sluts. It's a Goddamn. Epidemic. 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Include Canadian actress Nikki Klein actress who played Kelly Henderson Tyrol on the SCIFI Channel Television Series Battle Star Galactica Brandon Dr Daniel Roberts Nikki just revealed revealed a few days ago that she was in a sexual relationship with Keith for a decade a Nikki also married to allison mack federal prosecutors have claimed Mac and Klein were wed at the behest of Keith Ranieri More Sex Slaves Shit. Just days ago, just a couple of days ago. October eighteenth fifty six members wrote letters to the judge that will be sentencing keyed soon, defending this pedophile they're still in. He was originally supposed to be sentenced back in September of two thousand, nineteen defense motions delayed in Cova delayed the sentencing further his sentencing hearing as I record this is set for October twenty seven, a set of ten am. He's being held at the Metropolitan Detention Center Brooklyn New York and US District Judge Nicholas. Garage. Office will hand down his sentence and he's expected to receive a license. Next Gym's website is no longer operation, and as far as I can tell, none of its centers are currently open odds are with the sentencing the Colt will be for all intent and purposes dead in the water. CO-FOUNDER NANCE is awaiting to date for her sentencing, which was postponed due to the pandemic as well. She faces up to twenty years in prison. and. With that being the latest Info let's head on out of today's time suck time line. Good job soldier. made it back. Before we wrap up, let's talk about next relates to scientology 'cause there's a big influence like good old l Ron Hubbard Rene re-based lives claims on him being such a smart man. Before, he introduced members to the more spiritual side of nexium. The two men both heavily fabricated their backgrounds. I guess it really wasn't a huge spiritual side, but you know it was it's felt felt like it was moving that direction. Other crazy talk like most Hubbard's exaggerated bullshit claims youngest ever Eagle Scout daredevil pilot blood brother to the black feet native American tribe. Ramirez Claims Ludicrous. Easily. Disproven. Nicknames in worship US another you know common denominator between the two Ranieri. Insisted that followers call him vanguard such as Hubbard. Wanted his minions to call him source. Sort of naming serves a very important purpose purpose in cult indoctrination causing believers to see the founder is more than human an infallible beware of people who force nicknames on. You. I like vanguard or their sucks a lot or profited Nimrod or suck master also. litigation Rene used the same scorched Earth litigation tactics. Opponents against opponents that scientology has one critic website suggests that Rene may have spent fifty million dollars in legal fees over the last twenty years most of attacking detractors such as suing journalists who tried to expose his. Colt. A tech and secrecy nexium scientology both claimed US revolutionary technology this fucking technology. The health people work out the trauma. Yeah. Live their best lives like the auditing bullshit of Scientology's ludicrous. Because they. They know their tickets. Ridiculous. They don't let the outside world it exposed for House buck stupid it is. Next. To materials have been subject to extraordinary secrecy just like scientology's before scientology's teachings became widely available over the Internet. For all new is a bunch of dumb shit about fictitious. Aliens. NEXIUM student signed extensive nondisclosure agreements, members of the inner circle gave leadership collateral intended to be used to keep them from either leaving or sharing secret teachings. Ethics Rainier followed the same playbook, a scientology in many colds claiming that he and his fellow higher up for the most ethical people on Earth that the common cold technique for engendering feelings of superiority amongst members or the best with the most ethical. For redefining members sense of morality to enable leaders to get members to engage in highly immoral amoral activities, following leaders dictates over their own consciousnesses. Yeah. So what does next class mean for the future of other cults like like scientology some have argued that X. collapses assigned that scientology is doomed to fail sooner or later but sadly Not, necessarily true scientology so much bigger for one thing. Next claimed to have enrolled sixteen thousand people's ninety eight it's training classes. Investigators have estimated. The number is probably less than five percent of the number of people who have actively pursued multiple training courses through scientology. And as far as we know scientology leader, David miscavige while he seems like a huge bag. He at least it's not fucking kids in branding. Harem that we know of. I one of the best ways for a cult leader to eventually incur a lot of backlash as we've learned over and over again on Pasco episodes is to start fucking everybody. But there's still some hope for the demise of Scientology. The more we expose he's Colton denounce them to greater. The odds new recruits will think a little harder about joining. And what should you think about when approached by a member of a group or person? Claiming, to have all the spirit lantern answers you are looking for well, look out for signs of courses and manipulative behaviour. Do they claim to be able to improve your life practically overnight or their followers only devoted to their group instead of having a wide variety of interest do followers give a lot of money and time to the group insisting they'll someday make it all back and more does leadership Steve Abusive if so stay the fuck away. Now, it's wrap up with went over lot today I all made sense is complicated topic in some some ways. I'm sure more info will come out going forward concerning next administrative practices. It's also fresh. I'm sure they'll be other shady pyramid schemes and MLM's that will ruin more lives as time rolls forward as well. Mabelle. Suck them to the lure of the get rich quick scheme always. So appealing got to be careful with that. Don't get sucked in. Don't let cognitive distance the backfire effect, pull you in further and further and destroy you odds are no one's GonNa, change your finance overnight there's no magic get rich pill I mean sure you could win the lottery but overwhelming odds are against that you can achieve personal empowerment and enlightenment, but you don't need to pay thousands of dollars for stupid woo mind fuck courses to do that. Real meaningful change requires a lot hard work I go into a licensed therapist really work on your shit for a long time going back to school better degree work in a ton of hours to start a small unsuccessful businesses to improve your financial lot is that's what I think without for longtime I've a hoped to get rich quick. You know many times in my life never worked out podcasting seems to be working out now very thankful. Just took over twenty years after starting on the path that led here. At my lowest points never jumped on the get rich quick bandwagon not complete not because of some genius because. You've listened to show them. I just watched too many others around me try that when I was younger and never sought workout. Right, like I'm lucky, my grandparents showed me a different way another way the right way grandma pop award they don't make Meat Saxony finer than these till never have never will pop ward. We're GONNA job. He hated his saw for over twenty years provide for his family grew up with nothing beat by an alcoholic father mom abandoned him dad stole from him and he doesn't complain about any of that Shit were construction other labor jobs y'all sit in life for another twenty years when the saw mill shutdown never made much in any given year ever but he works second job on the weekends bought cheap land slowly built Reynolds. Instead of watching TV you're going to the bar, my grandma never left. Little Riggins, Idaho ever life never went to college got a job at the post office taught herself. How to invest bought a couple of bucks worth the stocks a week for years didn't blower money at the bar or get rich quick on or on any get rich quick bullshit just always slow and steady with those two eating at home not out at restaurants planted a vegetable garden eating from it every year Canon, fruit checking out books in the library instead of buying them watching airwaves TV instead of getting cable never living above their means never got rich but made enough to always be there and help take care of their families when their families needed him and that's enough for them. Many look at their lives consider boring no big fancy vacations no fancy cars no fancy clothes nothing fancy ever. But for me though the blueprint pop award and Grandma Betty, those two should've started a cult a cult where no one gets fucked. Everyone's just told to put their head down now worry about what the Joneses have having. You don't complain less work harder and grind motherfucker grind. So grind you beautiful bastards. Predecessor because I love it. I love nothing more than to see all you listen you know get the success the most success you cannot alive and I truly believe the best way to do that is just to stay focused grind slow and steady course fuck shortcuts. Hail Nimrod Fuck nexium hope case Keith Ranieri gets fucked. Hope is new nicknaming prisoners. Rod bought faulk McGee. And Hello, top five takeaways I. Hope It pleases God Amway. Lord of Delicious Nutritious Weight Management Meal Replacement Bars. By. Taking away. Number One Xia Muse multilevel marketing to make millions and successful and have a successful run for just under twenty years. multilevel marketing legal tactic is ruled by the FTC is win instead of in a normal supply chain product goes from a manufacturer the wholesaler to retailer to consumer the product goes directly from the manufacturer to the distributor. Usually one individual that individual responsible for getting other people to sign up to sell for the manufacturer an MLM's can end up operating. A lot like Colt's instead of empowering you to start your own business as the advertise they often just take your money make you feel like you're not doing a good enough don't succeed in a business that literally almost no one succeeds in and then they shut down your complaints not right. It's not their fault, your fault and the isolate you further and further from your friends and family by being. So immersive most MLM's are bad news even if they're not illegal. Number two Keith for neary told his followers. He hit three degrees was a child prodigy and athlete learn calculus in an afternoon was the smartest man on earth basically had all of humanity figured out and reality he was a pedophile sex maniac who enjoyed manipulating people and right and really stupid patent claims including one for increasing heart rate over time AK exercise was not a genius was someone with a complete lack of morals who wanted to have sex a lot of women most of them underage and to be worshiped. Number three nexium borrowed from a lot of sources develop its executive success programs series of workshops to cost upwards of five thousand bucks a pop, and while we don't know to what extent Keith Ranieri was inspired by Scientology. The two of a lot in common scientology pushes supposed end goal of becoming clear the scientology term for achieving a state of total psychological perfection nexium term for this is unification get enough sashes in your fucking unified baby. Number four next human sister group Janus produced DOS a secret sex cult led by actress Allison Mack under Keith. Guidance told women, they become empowered by agreeing to be slaves for other women. No slaves would in turn become masters to other slaves and everyone eventually, we'll get fucked by. Slavery, consisted of providing collaterals. Make sure they couldn't tell anyone about the group check with their masters multiple. Times. A day ask him what food they could eat. You know getting punished for disobedience. Include receiving a brand of Keith Ranieri's Initials Sarah Edmonson along with four other women were Brandon January, two, thousand, seventeen, and service description of that experience to the new. York Times led to next gyms end. Number five new Info while in prison rainier instructed his followers to solicit the assistance of one Alan Dershowitz the attorney who successfully negotiated a non-prosecution agreement of Jeffrey. Epstein who is Alan Dershowitz? Why are we seeing him in the news? So Much Alan Dershowitz is an American lawyer legal scholar known for his scholarship of US constitutional, law in American criminal. Law He taught at Harvard law school from Nineteen, sixty, four, all the way till two, thousand thirteen, and he's known for taking on very unpopular clients. In one, thousand, nine, hundred Dershowitz served as an appellate advisor on the OJ Simpson murder trial part the legal dream team alongside Johnny Cochran and F Lee Bailey. Dershowitz. Also remember the defense team for Nasty Ass Harvey Weinstein in two thousand eighteen and then you know as I said before Jeffrey Epstein is he a terrible guy? UNNECESSARILY? He said many times that he just supports the constitution not any particular person or party or maybe terrible. In, December thirtieth two thousand, Fourteen, Florida Court Filing Virginia free allege she was sexually trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein who lent her to people for sex including? Dershowitz. The motion claimed Dershowitz was also an eyewitness to the sexual abuse of other miners in the week that followed the release of Jeffries Affadavit. Dershowitz. Deny the allegations sought disbar the lawyers filing the suit? There's also stated he plans to sue net flicks over including this allegation and their recent documentary Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich. Complicated figure Dershowitz Doodoo seems to have no moral qualms regarding defending dirtbags but even he chose not to defend keys for nearly that speaks to how defenseless Keith is based on the evidence against him or does even Alan Dershowitz, think Oh man fuck that guy. Can't represent that next dirtbag and still look at myself in the mirror. Time. By. The, nexium sex cult has been sucked very different type of call right now doomsday predictions real compound no messiah no profit. Turns out. You don't need to talk about God's it started cope and how to combine it with an MLM pulling from Amway said of the Bible. Also, never gonNA be able to look at Amway or any other MLM's than we again after de. Thank you the bad magic productions, team all the help and make time. So Queen About Magic Lindsey comments, she'll feel better and couple of days Reverend Dr Joe, Paisley Script, Keepers Act Flannery Billick Cer- Logan Kate keys in bad magic mercy, dot com, and social. Hope they feel better than few days. Thanks to all those who joined the cult of the curious private facebook group over twenty thousand members continue to make time suck more than a podcasts make an community thanks Hernandez, and are all seeing is running the cult of the curious Thanks to all the wonderful Weirdos having fun on discord. To excuse me thanks to all of you spaces are playing time trivia on the APP boaty to ten currently in the lead with four, thousand, seven, hundred and fifty eight points. New Round starts on November second three PM Pacific Time. Next week on time suck. We will feature yet another waste of carbon a wicked entitled Sociopath from World War Two era England named John Hey. Promise not always going to be back every week, but they are fascinating. Are They not? Besides, being a monster, hey, was a very intelligent dude who played piano love classical music great other smart dirtbag. John Haleiwa loved high living, but he definitely wasn't about to work for that was. So beneath him instead like a well adjusted meet sack does he decided to murder people just take their assets make their should his Even, appropriate one of his victims dogs. Because the odds may be clever but certainly gruesome way he disposed the multiple bodies he deprived of life. The tabloids gave him the nickname, the acid bath murderer. Also called him a vampire as he had quite the inappropriate relationship with other people's blood. spy growing up completely isolated by an extreme religious family. He became an outgoing conman, his gift of NIP relating others to increase social status in his bank account. least when he wasn't being thrown in jail for schemes, he soon graduated from Con Artistry to murder as he believed that as long as no bodies were found couldn't be charged with a crime it was not correct about. This spirit he filled forty gallon drums with acid and well, I'll have to come back next week to hear we're all that went. So next Monday we suck the acid bath murder on a very bloody bangers and Mash edition of time suck and now let's Yip Yip Yaw on over to this week's time sucker updates. Our. First Update is a collective one was brought to my attention via numerous social media in Youtube comments that Sergei. Sergei as far as ESI OUR GI. Sergei not surgery apologizes apology. Excuse me apologize apologies to the Russian name. now sharing a Boston Strangler update from Super Sucker. Mark Vallon just because it put a smile on my face. Mark wrote Goddamn Damn you coming firstly i. hope that you get to feeling better soon suck masters supreme. It's come. In there. So I'm outside cleaning up old MOWER and I've got the Boston Strangler episode on. Jesus. FUCKING Christ Fun Franks Base Shit. Anyway when he described his Dick as looking like a mangled snake on the road I flat out snort laughs and fell back onto the ground dude that is the best lack of had long longtime get well soon thanks for all the last. Thank you for making me smarter than a daily basis now. Thanks Nice Message Mark Glad, you fell down. No but seriously though it makes me really happy it's know that this should make you happy. I hope you keep enjoying it. Now, we'll move away from fluff get to some great constructive criticism. First. Piece coming in from equality minded meet sack Leeann. Taylor Leah writes hi there you podcasts bill on my favorites for years now as a female excuse me as a female identifying meet sack however I was wondering if you could stop noting whether or not a woman story you tell is or isn't attractive you always use descriptors like an attractive woman or pretty woman or note if they aren't attracted by your standards whenever you talk about females. This is cultural programming and likely don't even realize you're doing it but it would be really great if you consider. If you could consider that you're helping perpetuated cultural problem where the worth of a woman is based on her attractiveness I say this as a quote or as in quote attractive or myself who from entire life was told I was pretty not pretty enough thin and beautiful or not that enough. Am I bodies the constant subject of attention men don't have to deal with this and I'd love to see a world where women don't either. It takes nothing away from your stories. If you stop noting the attractiveness level of woman in your story, we are more than star looks and your word choices matter in either perpetuating this or leaving this moldy misogyny in the dustbin of history where deserves to go thanks Kylie for your consideration Halo Safina Leah will thank you Leah. I will work on that I will work on that going forward someone's attractiveness pertains to the story male or female I'll comment on it because I'm attracted to women I will reference from time to time being attracted to certain women conversational way I do realize women are much more than just sexual objects that said, I do find women sexy and I feel like I was holding back if I didn't let. That out from time to time. But I don't want to perpetuate this objectification. I don't want to just continually reduce female characters to being sexual objects when it doesn't have shit to do with narrative because you're right men don't have to deal with that like women do and You know I don't WanNa keep that pressure going on women. So Hail Nimrod and Hill is ffynnon. Thank you for that. A more constructive criticism coming in now from a Sucker, not afraid to call me on some Shit Jenny Taylor host Jenny wrote. A fan of enlisting since my boyfriend turned me onto your shit during the baby time suck days I think rather than talk shit about a bunch of poor oppressed Russians who believe in witchcraft 'cause have literally no other option to get medical care. You should leave them out of it and she talked the asshole and government exploited them shouldn't comedians punch up at the thing right? The whole ha ha look at those stupid pours trying to survive as low hanging fruit and lame I. Know You're busy because I listen to your other podcasts. I'm just used to you being the good funny kind of Dick, not the debate kind of Dick. Please feel free to school me and tell me how I'm wrong and how you didn't Shit on a bunch of poor people in a communist rule that that they probably hate or reflect on your statements I. Know You're good people. So do your your best sincerely, Jenny pm not rushing a mixed native Alaskan white lady and to my own detriment standup for anyone if I think something not cool because they know what it's like to get shit on letting you know because it gives context well, this message I'm GonNa. Admit this message pissed me off I I said A. Defensive Message Back to Jenny and that message led to a great back and forth with Jenny the other nights and I want to make clear I don't think Russians are stupid I do just fine the cold fascination and that episode very amusing but I don't want to come across as picking on people for making terrible choices because they're uneducated you know can't afford to do something else. I just wanted to point out how crazy these choices are and how they're not helping anyone's lives to me. The jokes were more about the wizard swindlers and the people seeking the Russian sources. I try to punch exploited or not the exploited and I appreciate you reminding me to make sure I'm doing a better job of making that clear Jenny and thank you for the conversation that we had too much to get into here but it ended very nicely and then a very nicely and yeah, made me think which is good again criticism. Good. Now. For some nice words from hard-working military suckers, Shelley Miller who writes hello, all the great names everyone gives you only Melissa for a short time. Thanks to my son Doug who said Oh mom you gotta listen to this one skin Walker ranch because I grew up in that area have been jumping around your past episodes ever since anyway, my reason for sending this is the thank you for getting me through my last event of my armie combat fit your Army combat fitness test the two mile run after rounding the corner of my last lap all I could hear my head was your voice saying how soldier you made it back and I laugh as I finished at mother also in your voice. 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Ep. - 303 - DIRECTORS OF SEDUCED: INSIDE THE NXIVM CULT FORMER MEMBER OF NXIVM

Reality Life with Kate Casey

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Ep. - 303 - DIRECTORS OF SEDUCED: INSIDE THE NXIVM CULT FORMER MEMBER OF NXIVM

"In candy crush saga. We're celebrating the greatest holiday of all national candy day with a gift of unlimited lives for twenty four hours. in fact we're so excited. We're celebrating for three weeks. Starting right now so join us for fun challenges and some sweet sweet rewards in game claim your gift of unlimited lives by playing candy crush saga nell downloaded from the app store. Google play or window store for free terms and conditions apply. Hey welcome back to another episode of reality life with casey. This episode is about seduced inside the nexium colt which is a four part documentary series on starz which follows the story of india oxen berg's perilous journey through the dark and criminal world of the notorious self. Help group turned sex slave culture. Nexium keith. ranieri was founder of nexium. Which was a multi level marketing company and colt base near albany. New york between one thousand nine hundred and twenty twenty nexium developed a following primarily through its personal development seminars and it recruited people in business and even socialites however the organization also faced multiple accusations of systemic sexual abuse of female members by rene and members of his inner circle leading to the arrest of rainier and other nexium members in early twenty eighteen on june nineteenth twenty nineteen rainier was convicted of federal crimes including sex trafficking of children conspiracy and conspiracy to commit forced labour all related to a secret society with the nexium known as dos or the vow on october twenty seven. Twenty twenty rainier was sentenced to one hundred and twenty years in prison india. Oxygen berg was a member of dos serving as a second line master. Her master was allison. Mack and actress who rose the organization's ranks. She was arrested in brooklyn by the fbi on april twentieth to eighteen on charges of sex trafficking sex trafficking conspiracy and forced labor conspiracy in relation to a role in the next organization. Allison mack pled guilty to racketeering charges. In april of two thousand nineteen and is currently awaiting sentencing during his trial. The first witness was a thirty two year old woman identified only a sylvie and she had spent nearly thirteen years in the organization so to give you some sort of insight. Keith ranieri exerted control over female followers on the most fundamental level and nexium were encouraged to enroll in gymnasts which was all female organization within nexium. The point of is sylvia understood. It was for women to work out what they were. So outside of the influence of men emission predicated on renewing his belief that women's actions were primarily intended to attract male attention so renew also taught that women were prone to object define men in a certain way meaning that women only assessed potential male partners based on whether they were good providers or caretakers. A common phrase and nexium was that women lived in a bubble meaning. Women didn't have to be responsible for anything. We live in a fantasy land and everything gets taken care of will. The following year rene taught a course led by society protectors which was the male equivalent of genus. So which sylvie said cost anywhere between five thousand eight thousand dollars. So it'd been presented. I think in genus specifically as she said that women locked character and the s. o. P. complete with teach us character so an sap complete one women were taught among other things that they were inherently more impulsive than men that the best way to curb their impulsivity would be to adhere to a strict diet. So sylvie who herself was in recovery from an eating disorder testified that this aligned with their first impressions of the groups female members who tended to be very very thin and adhere to extremely low calorie or restrictive diets such as the master cleanse or a raw vegan diet. the course also relied on humiliating gender-based exercises to encourage women to correct their behavior so for example during one exercise women were told they were showing too much cleavage and thus told to parade around like cows in a county fair and be awarded rosettes and prizes for others after years of absorbing these teachers. It's no surprise that the women would be drawn to dos. Perhaps the most explicit way the misogyny inherent in nexium was enacted so what drew women to dos was not the idea of becoming closer to raniry an assistant. Us attorney tanya hajar stated during her opening arguments and is sylvia's testimony later confirmed many of the women. Recruited a slave did not even know rene was behind the group in the first place. They thought they were joining a women's only group that was about helping other women hajar had said adding that dos was pitched as a women's empowerment group to make them happier to make them stronger and to make them more successful so informing dos renew exploited female followers desire to empower themselves to improve themselves to be happier better more fulfilled more as he allegedly coached. Sylvie when encouraging her to take explicit photos of her volva vulnerable with this misogynistic teachings rene spent years grooming his female followers for subjugation. To the point that many of them were persuaded to have his initials branded upon their very flash on the grounds their reasoning. That it was more bad ass which was air words than attached you and as the attorney said in the opening statements seemingly justice befuddled by this perverse masquerade of self empowerment as anyone else dr. John jalala sociologist. Who runs colt research dot org and has written about getting out of coal said of the nexium inner workings and how rainier build a culture of misogyny and abuse using the kind of misogyny was away to get the women to hate themselves in a way and behave in a subservient way. Which is what. Keith ranieri was promoting while the filmmakers cecilia. Pack in ball listener always saw seduced as a women's story particularly as it involved harrowing stories of sexual assault. It needed to be told in the voices of women by women and the greatest part is that women were prominent in all key areas of the production of the series so from cinematography to recording assistance. So many days during shootings there was an all women set and their goal in the series is not only to illustrate the dangerous and lack of regulation in the self help industry but to place the narrative in the hands of the women affected and help them turn their truth into activism. They knew that working on the story would require a deft amount of sensitivity to create an environment. That was safe and comfortable for the subjects to unburden themselves. For example a key element of filming was training the crew on how to handle the trauma victims that they would be interviewing. This is a superb series. And it really gives voices to those victims. And i'm telling you is a must watch it. It is much watch. And if you've watched the dow on hbo or if you have not you can watch both of these series and get so much out of it. And i think it's important to watch stories like this because we all know somebody who is a speaker and there they could very easily go down a rabbit hole like these other women think of the people that are suggesting to you a self help book now there someone that's ripe for targeting just like these women my guest in this episode are the filmmakers cecilia peck an involves ner and i also have a former nexium member kelly. The'll kelly is a speaker and author activist and featured introduced and she was a member of nexium from two thousand sixteen to two thousand eighteen. I'm really proud of the series of what they're doing to help other people who are in similar situations and again giving voice to victims and i'm honored to have the opportunity in this episode to interview them so here we go welcome to the show. Thanks so much. Tell me about how this project was developed. Well it started because an i'm cecilia. Speaking i was actually targeted unsuccessfully for recruitment by nexium by a former colleague and she in two thousand fourteen fifteen started sending me a very persistent series of emails inviting me to women's group and telling me it was the best thing she'd ever done and it would change my life and eventually that her friend. Allison mack wanted to meet me and I didn't reply. Wasn't sure what it was and was busy and just didn't fit into anything. I wanted to do at the time but she. She didn't stop. I finally had to tell her to you. Know i just say whatever that is. I'm happy for you. But i'm not interested in in two thousand seventeen. She end of seventeen she had emailed and said. I'm so sorry. I was in a cult and i didn't realize it and i was being forced to recruit you so that's how i found out about nexium. We sat down and she told me about the whole experience and ended up introducing us to some of the the women who are part of seduced. What was it about you did she explained was the reason that you were targeted. She never explained that. I mean i understood that people were targeted for a variety of reasons and probably what they would have been looking for in someone like me is access to a social network or i mean they targeted a lot of people who are from prominent families. My father was was an actor. I grew up in los angeles. I assume they wanted to connect to my my social or professional circles but they also targeted people who had computer skills who had designed skills who were organized. The colt found went after anybody. Who could help them build their organization. And so what was the time line is so she comes to you in late. twenty seventeen. how soon after did you start the project. And then how. Soon after into the project able to meet up with india oxen burke yes so we started working developing researching at the end of twenty seven at the end of two thousand eighteen and Started working with stars in twenty nineteen and then ended up In the beginning. I think we were really interested in exploring coercion of women in high control groups and next thing was just the lens through which we examined that and was one case. Study but we really wanted to look at this dynamics and how could an organization that advertised feminism female empowerment used all these key phrases to lure women in for self improvement for Bettering themselves really ends up. Being sort of a bait and switch tactic to subjugate them and to brainwash them into you know hating themselves. Hading their own femininity or womanhood. So i think we were looking. We have one survivor. In particular naomi who was born into one colt and was sexually traumatize there as a child and then found herself searching for a community later in life and got involved with nexium and so I think once we started covering the trial in brooklyn catherine near a trial and then definitely wants. India joined us in the fall of two thousand nineteen then the focus or the spine of the story became more about nexium. How difficult was it to get the women to come forward. You guys have a great track record of working on stories of women. women's empowerment. You're very familiar with the complexities of working with trauma survivors. How difficult was it for them. To come forward to open up and to agree to tell their stories. I think once the new york times story was published. Nexium was identified with the use of the term sex cult in the media. It made it very hard for anybody to speak up because of the shame that would be associated with being part of something like that. Most women didn't experienced sexual abuse. And that's certainly not the type of organization they joined so. I think it was hard for anybody to decide to go public about about this experience. But the women who did from kelley to naomi tabby ashley deb and india. All understood that it was. It was important to show that they as normal women could be anybody's friend daughter wife could be vulnerable to something like this and to talk about what the red flags are in order to help other young women hopefully recognize what these groups look like in these very insidious tactics the use and be able to help other people and prevent them from joining so so yeah i think was very hard and it's embarrassing and it takes a lot of courage but pretty much everyone we worked with including you know on our crews and our editors had seen our previous stone brave miss world and understood that we had a sensitivity toward victims of trauma and net. Our mission really is to tell the stories of people who turn that kind of trauma into into activism into hopefully education. Did any of the women participated. Get a lot of pushback from members that were had yet to leave the organization. And did that complicate the process of filming at all. I mean we only know about it secondhand so you should probably ask kelly when you talk to her. I yes it was true for. Kelly was true for others who were still in touch through secret facebook groups and what's up. Groups were still in touch with both former members and current members. That pressure them to stay silent to pressure them. That you know. Maybe they don't know enough because there were not in this in the center core of of the organization in albany. Maybe they were just genetic subgroup members in la and so day should be quiet. Because they're they're not really an authority to speak about next to him. But you know what we found out. Is that the was trauma on all levels. It was really sort of a collateral damage on all different. Both in the center of the organization on the peripheries. So no matter if it doesn't matter if you took one class or year long membership or you know really advanced to the coaching levels and all the weight and moved to albany. There's there was trauma and lingering psychological damage on all levels and so all these stories count. There were reportedly seventeen thousand members that went through next him and so we felt our seventeen thousand stories and all deserve to be told. Just the process get easier. Interviewing the subjects as time goes on Is it difficult in the beginning. Because they're still unraveling all of the language that they've been taught through the process of the tracks mean. I think our film is a linear journey. Following india's experience from the first time she walked through those doors up until she was branded dos victim. But there's another layer of her perspective that she has now and reviewing the events that happened to her through an understanding of of the brain washing. So i think we watched her go through a journey of it becoming more and more clear of what had happened to her and she you know when we met her we said how are you and she said well you know. I'm trying to understand the difference between what happened to me and what. I was indoctrinated to believe what was happening to me. So we felt like that is a very incredible journey that she could take us on if she's willing and she really did. She just opened up her experience to try to allow us and an audience to understand her peeling back the layers of that in tha indoctrination as she was trying to come to terms with it herself. The really that's really becomes the spine of the narratives india and the other women give you their first hand account of what they thought and felt at the time while the to experts. Say call psychologists. Logist explain to you. What is really going on. What are indoctrination tactics. What are the. What is the manipulation at play here and so tension. I think is what drives the narrative and helps the viewers could both relate to the main characters but also put what they're seeing in context and there's one more layer which is the mother and daughter story you know of how that of predatory alien nation. How nexium almost managed to completely sever the bond between catherine in india and how they find their way back to each other. I wondered in terms of catherine story. A how difficult it was for her during the course of filming to be in communication with so many former members and reconciling That they were at some point complicit in the abuse of her char child Was that something that was evident. Were filming. it's our view. And i think shared by catherine. The keith was the villain of this story. He was the mastermind. He was the serial predator and everyone and everyone to one degree or another was his was his victim and he was able to indoctrinate members of his inner circle enough that they victimized others and that was even true for india to some degree. But i catherine collaborated with members of that inner circle who were defecting from nexium in order to bring the organization down. She couldn't have done it on her own. She used her public profile to attract the attention of the media but it was really a group effort and a collaboration. Did you get two factors all the time contacting you as you continue to the filming process. Well i think we can say that we were in touch with more a lot more people who wouldn't come and camera than those who have so. Some of them became kind of behind the scenes consultants or helped us gain more better understanding and context of the story. But those who did come forward. It was difficult for them because of the pressure from former members. Both who were no longer loyal to keith. And those who are and we realized early on that we needed to give them a lot of support beyond what even what we can as sensitive filmmakers and we we set up a fund to provide therapy services for them before during and after filming and so we partnered with fact emily's against colty teachings which is a charity organizations that that fights colts and Fund to so that they feel supported and safe in sharing their stories and telling things that could be re triggering. How easy was it to get access to some of the footage it you say in the beginning of the film each week or the series that we're going to be privy to footage that has never been seen. How hard was it. Get to get access to that and to use it. A lot of the footage was formerly available online It's now been taken down but we were able to capture a certain amount of it from different sites and we had different sources who came forward and helped on the fbi had access to this footage. So we were able to accumulate enough footage that we needed To tell the story and provide one of the layers along with our firsthand accounts in our series is really told through the first person experiences of the victims of this call. What was the biggest challenge filming a series like this i. I think it was getting people to feel safe and comfortable enough to to come on camera and and feel that they would be protected and that their stories wouldn't be distorted. That takes a lot of trust. I think another challenge was that in the beginning star the network re partnered with dot. We could get this. You know filmed and edited and dan in less than a year and he was going to Be pretty straightforward. But the reality is once we've set in the courtroom and heard things that came out and were revealed for the first time and and then when india joined us we really the more we dug the more we found out than the more complex and layered the story become became and the more we felt it needed time and care a nuance to tell it then. So really grateful that they stuck with it and they let us see through and Tell it the way we felt. It should be told so you know we went Many months overheard when the show should have been wrapped in done and Just until we felt we had a story that felt complete filmmakers compartmentalize or unwind from such such complex information and material. I mean this stories of the survivors to just read through the testimonies. It has to weigh on you so heavily. How did you navigate filming series of this importance and and still separate yourself. Have you know your own full life. Thank you for asking the question. Because i do think that's a subjects. It's not talked about. Enough is the mental health of documentary. Filmmakers and what it takes of people working in this field to tell stories and work in this day after day and the same therapy services. We offered our subjects. We actually realize we need to make them available for crew for editing crew. We had people who logged this material and went through lectures of keith or nancy. That felt like something in their brain was not quite the same and they needed to go on a walk or clear their head or we started having weekly meetings where we would kind of try to process. This is a group as a team and really discuss for both of you. Tell me you're the most poignant moment for you maybe the most proud moment where you felt like this is it. This is the reason that this project needs to be needed to be made. And i'm honoring these women in the best way and this sort of encapsulates it. I guess for me one of my favorite moments in the series and because it touches on this predatory alien nation in the ability of a group like this to separate you from your loved ones and your family and your friends and anyone who can remind you of your pre coke persona and nexium was so successful at it and this doesn't just happen in high control groups it can happen in a in a one on one coat like relationship where you can suddenly be separated from your friends and family by somebody who wants to control you. But you know indian. Her mother didn't speak for nearly a year At in the worst of it when the cult has really gotten their hooks into india and it was very hard for her to recognize that how nexium in its upper leadership had convinced her that her mom didn't have a best interest at heart and there's a moment in the final episode when she speaks to a lawyer. And it's like a moment of recognition. What her mother was doing. Even though at the time it felt like her mother wanted to hurt her was actually trying to save her their moments like that for me that resonate emotionally that i think are about a bigger picture of of what can happen when you're under the control of a of a master predator and that's that's one of my favorites in india recognizes. My mom really what she wanted to do with help me. She loved me. Yes what about for you. And so many. I mean the worst. So many serendipitous moments onset. We're like okay we're doing. We're freezing or we're going really twenty. Four seven no sleep but we feel like we're onto something and doing the right thing. I mean the verdict. That was one of those where was so heightened emotion for everybody but one of the scenes. I think that wasn't easy and really paid off is when india goes back to the townhouse where daniella was imprisoned for two years and this is years before she moved to albany but she has this memory of having been in the house because she was friends with the other members of the family and she thinks about what it was like to be imprisoned in the room without lock and i think she makes the connection in real time to how she was a prisoner in albany. There was no lock the door you know. Nobody was forcing her chaining her to a bedroom. But for india like daniella. The wars the word is invisible chains which were all psychological. And you see on the screen. The stark parallels the the crazy parallels between the neal journals court exhibits there were trial exhibits and india's journals from the time were from the time. She was in albany all spinning in our head. And like something was terribly wrong with you and you had to keep working improving yourself. And they're just breaking you down and breaking you down and i think she realized that they had very similar journey that they have the very similar trauma. And i think that really clicks when you see that scene sam. i'm. I'm very proud of that and i can't wait to see what else you guys do. Because this is just been so well done so number one. I wanted to say thank you. People can catch it on demand or anywhere where you watch your favorite stars shows but you guys also have a great website if you could tell everybody about that well. The website really grew out of the desire for these women to become advocates for other girls. And it's called seduced documentary dot com. It was built by two of the former members who appear in our series naomi tabby they both have web design and coding skills and they created this incredible resource Which includes a questionnaire. Had you know if you're in a called and information on on all the books all the information from Dr young ilala stephen hasaan rick. Ross rachel bernstein. There's access to all those experts you can reach out directly to all the women who appearance seduced and it's there for anybody who needs help leaving or who may have left in is still experiencing trauma One of our friends hoyt richards. A former cult member. Says if you think it's hard to be in a cult you've no idea that the hardest part is coming out of one so we wanted to help our our. Our incredible brave survivors create this resource. And you know. I think we're also really excited about episode four in our series because episode three is very hard to take it goes into the worst abuses in crimes of nexium but in episode four. You're left with a belief that it's possible to recover and you can heal. It's full of hope. And and the stories of these women turning their their trauma into being able to speak out and help other women fantastic and then is there anywhere that they can follow the both of you and your work. Well we also. There's in this new website. Seduced documentary dot com. There's also filmmakers page with information about us. We also run another website together. Brave miss world dot com. Which is the number one website in the world as a global resource rape survivors who are seeking A forum to tell their stories and resources so were reachable for through those two sites. Thank you so much for your time and really well while done. Thanks so much for having us. Thank you kelly. Welcome to the show more. Thank you thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you. Because i feel like i've been in nexium scholar for a couple years now. I've been voraciously reading everything that has to do with. The colt watched everything. I think seduced has done an extraordinary job in really showing the grittier part of the story. Kind of spelling out the system of dos but also giving people a window into how so many educated thoughtful kind people were bamboozled by this. Really gross guy keith ranieri so i was hoping that you could kind of give us some insight into how you fell into the organization and what your experience was like so maybe if you could go back to the beginning and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you found out about nexium okay. Well i have always been a seeker as long as i can remember and Prior to Being reduced introduced to mix him. I had gone to the philippines. I've worked with a psychic surgeon. I had met the dalai lama. I had gone. Tommy pocket school looking for ways to help myself and others. And i got to a point. Two thousand sixteen where all my searching all my reading and all of my classes just didn't seem to be deferring me and i couldn't figure out what was wrong because i had this really great life. I had a great husband and kids. I went to college. Did all the right thing. But i still was feeling empty and thousand. Sixteen friend of mine mentioned something about some clashes. She was taking and they were Human potential classes that were just. They've changed her life and her her son's life and i kind of blew it off as on something. I really wasn't interested in. Because i believed i'd done everything and then one day it was in the shower and i just my life felt like it was imploding just so unhappy and in so much pain that i thought what was she talking about so i gave them a call into by the way. Come on to my house on sunday. And there's a guy there by the name of mark. Kelly it who's going to be talking about classes come on over so i went over to her house. And he gave a basically an introduction to the classes and it sounded really great because it sounded like a way to increase my human potential. A wage sort of reached my goal. I was a little bit hesitant because one of the first things that he said was there's been bad. Press out there about us but go ahead go ahead and read it anyway and You'll you'll see that it's just bad press. They're trying to shut us down. Because we're we're such an amazing organization. So i went ahead and jumped in took the classes and i found them to be quite amazing so I took a class in los angeles at someone palm and the first thing i thought was kinda weird that we're doing this in a home and not like a you know regular office or somewhere like that so the first five days i took and i just fell in love with them. I've started to feel after my first explanation of meaning. I e m. i started to feel like Life was going to be able to change my life for the better And i found a community of people that were All like minded. They'll had a mission to make the world a better place. And so i felt like i found my people in a way. So keeper excited. Did you get a feeling at the ed research researched you at all before you came or did that come later That came later for sure at the time. No i mean i really went into this fairly I wouldn't say blindly. But i went into it very open minded because like i said i had done so many different things so many different modalities trying to help myself and others that this seemed like another one and i was just ready to explore it so i never felt that intent at the time. How much did it cost for the first five day series. The first five days theory was about five thousand dollars and then over the course of the two years that you were involved with nexium. How much do you think that you had spent. I probably spoke personally around twenty five to thirty thousand About thirty thousand dollars together. Would you say that. That's the average that other people spend or kind of depends on if they are still working a job. Is it possible to have a real. You know fulltime job and also do this well. Most of the people. I saw the average. I think if you were involved in the community if you just took the classes The i sixteen day or even just the five days and left the community just across one about your life. That was kind of the end of it. But if you got involved. Like i did as a coach It was very easy to spend that kind of money over time because they were always telling you. This is the next question to take to reach your potential. So i'd say that's about average and how many people did you did. It seem wanted to go from just taking courses to becoming a coach was that a was that commonplace for people to become so consumed by the coursework that they wanted to become a coach. I say probably. Let's say the class of out of a class of twenty people going through a program. You would probably get two or three to agree to become a coach now. The proctors were higher than coach. And even the coaches themselves were always looking for people with that type of mindset. Who who would want to become a coach. So i was definitely targeted in that way and of the people that were in that group twenty. Was there a variety of industries that people came from or did you find that beyond just the seekers people that were like self help junkies that there. There was a typical person like somebody who is in education. Somebody who is in acting music. You're in southern california. So the industry here is more creative What was your experience. So my experience in my first sixteen day of course was in. La was surrounded by models and actors people in the movie industry. Because those are the people that were being recruited in enrolled in that area but there are also people who own businesses and we're most people were very successful because it's remember the or to pay for these classes. You had to have some amount of success in your life somewhere. So everybody around me was educated successful or in the arts in those types of industries. So you join you begin enrolling others orange county you. You're actually quite good at it. You're bringing a bunch of people in and then they encourage you to be a coach and you mentioned that you took a test to in order to be a coach that made no sense. There were no real answer is. I'd never heard that before. I tell me a little bit about that test. So this test went in In levels so the very first test would take was when you were trying to become a coach. And they were questions on their they redefine many definitions for example they redefined good and bad and so you had to be able to to recite that definition and explain that definition and it's very confusing because for for example at nixon good meant that were building value and bad was the destruction about you. And you'd have to try to explain how that works in real life and so many of the questions didn't make any sense whatsoever and there was no definite answer we were told that so we were evaluated on whether or not we passed the test and i did not ever pass and any be We were evaluated by the person the tests deciding whether or not basically if we were indoctrinated enough. Oh my gosh. My understanding Yeah isn't that crazy so they have you sign an nda and now that you're coach. You're taking trips to albany on one of these trips. They have you meet keith. Tell me a little bit about that. When i took my five day loved it so much that i jumped on an airplane to finish the six through sixteen days which were there was a day in between so basically did one through five in. La hopped on a plane and the following day started. They six in albany somewhere in there at the beginning of like maybe day. Eight or nine mark. Elliot said to me I really want you to meet keith. And he knew that. I was part of young presidents organization Why peo- and so he really wanted to find a way. i think. get into speaking that organization recruiting people. Of course. I didn't down at the red flag for me. That was my first read flag. Honestly was when he was pushing so hard for me to be. I was exhausted after twelve hour days. Fourteen hour day classes. I girl who uber sleep. So i was tired. I wanted to go back to my hotel and mark. Say no you. Can't you have to go and meet keep volleyball like eleven o'clock at night. And i said i'm about now and so he said you can't say no and i said well i'm not gonna do it tonight. So another person came in to jim dumb grow and he said you can't say none of this does not wanna meet just anybody. I mean this is really special. I mean tell. You can't turn down that. You just can't so i felt sort of like obligated to go and i told mark and said listen i go from fifteen minutes and after fifteen minutes. You need to drive me back to my hotel. I didn't have a car. And so he said okay done so we went and i met keith a volleyball and he was there waiting sort of on the side of the volleyball court when i walked in and he came up to me and he came to me and said are you a hugger like what I don't know i guess. And so that he just gives me this big hug. And i kind of freaked out i i just. I knew something was wrong. Why she's gonna wanna meet me was kinda creepy wherein volleyball gear. It's eleven o'clock at night. What the hell am i doing. So that was my experience meeting key and all the people around him are like. This is a big deal even in the volleyball court. Like oh my god it's vanguard and are are these women just like staring at him. They're hanging on every word here all dressed in shorts and and keep close and all kind of hanging around him and they're like ooh who is she like. Why why does he want to meet her and do an album coming up to me. you know. maybe maybe you've got to keep so early on in. This was only been here seven days or something like that while. It's still amazing. So impressed and i would didn't occur to me that this was a cult but it did occur to me that it was a very unusual situation and coming from california and beaming albany. I thought well maybe there's something they do. There's nothing to do in albany. No offence to anyone there but i mean it. It's very desolate there. There's nothing there. So i thought okay. Maybe this just the way they live. So i try not to judge. It and i was exhausted. So i didn't really think too much about it. After that. how many of the people that are in the organization live in albany mike. Are they encouraging people to move there. Who's living are. Just the high level coaches proctors. Most all of the high level of coaches in proctor's either live full time in albany or had an apartment and live part time in albany They many people especially after They started recruiting for or the vow. More people started moving to albany. And the i'd say. Almost all of the integral people in organization lives in albany including people from mexico as well so there's a lot of people who have second homes and albany who lived in mexico city. Were you ever invited to nancy's home. Or allison's home nancy thome yeah so few times alison home. No and keith have a home that people visited or did he keep his home really private. He kept us very private except for the people that were in his very inner circle. So as you're going to the program the three things that they had you work on were lack of measurability and accountability. Entitlement issues and lack of compassion. Were those things that they came up with or the entitlement part definitely clare bronfman was the person who pointed that out a very beginning which is so ironic if you know who their bosnia and you do. I mean seagram's harris and she sat down in a group with me very early on and just basically told me you're entitled just admit it and so when someone like that says that to you. I mean i started thinking. Maybe that's my problem. maybe i am entitled. I mean i have a very nice life. I i get to do a lot of things i travel. I'm very fortunate. So i thought well maybe maybe entitlement is my problem so i started to believe it and And then as far as the compassion goes. I think that's just sort of a throwaway for everyone. We're all trying to be more compassionate. So that one i really bought two and so i think over time when those things are repeated to and people start to see you in the organization as that that's her inner deficiency dr problems you've entitled. That's our problem. She blacks compassion. It was done nothing. I came up with myself. But something that i started boss after being told multiple times because i was working for an answer trying to figure out what was wrong with me. Did you know a lot about people. And what the what they were working on so in some in these core through these courses were people revealing so much about themselves like. Did you know enormous amount of about each person to the point where you ever felt like i think i'm privy to things that maybe i shouldn't be well. That's a good question In the group work that we did many people including myself become very comfortable talking about our personal things. We trusted the other coaches. We trust the proctors with our most intimate Things because those are the things that were working on and trying to get past so many people would reveal that they have been raped or abused or Sexually molested and it was a very sacred place to hear these things and we tried to keep it sacred but there are many times where i felt. Okay i'm out of my league here. We're out of our league This person needs real helping therapist they need were and i mentioned this many times to people and so what i would do in that case was moved them up to someone who i believe at the time. Could handle something like this. Which would be nancy. Did you ever see any correlation between the people that came forward with stories like that previous sexual assault who were targeted to be members of dos. no not that i can recall although it wouldn't surprise me but i'm trying to think i don't recall anybody specifically in the that. Yes actually that's not true. Yes i there. Were a few who had had especially from mexico who had Been involved in kidnapping or their family had been kidnapped Very things like that. So how were you. Approached to be in dos. You'd mentioned that a member name. Lisa spoke to you about dos in the beginning. Tell me a little bit about that. Yeah so i. I changed the name here But the person that will call lisa and she was a friend of mine reclose in the organization and she was a higher rank that myself and she approached me After an intensive that coaching at dinner and she said i wanna talk to you about something that i think he might be interested in and i'm part of a women's group That is outside of nixon. So there's no one in the espn nexium is involved in this group and working on accountability and measurability. And i really think this would help you. And she said I can't really tell you much more about this but If you wanna know more. I need for you to give me some kind of collateral. And she said the claro is going to be just to keep what. We're talking about confidential. So i said okay like what what are you talking about collateral and she said well we can come up with something that You know like you talk about your business or you talk about someone that you know and don't have anything that you can tell me. Then we can make something up and we'll record it or videotape it but we'll get to that later but first we just need to figure out. This is something you wanna do and i. I was sitting at dinner. And i was thinking. Oh my god. I i kinda wanna know what she's talking about because i admire her but the seems kind of weird to give claro so i said well i just think about this so we went our separate ways and over the course some probably three weeks or so she continued to meet with me or call me and keep asking me how they made up my mind and i started avoiding phone call because i was just at this point now in the game i was completely conflict too because i knew that i wanted to say yes to this. But they didn't want to disappoint her. I didn't want to Have it affect anything. I was doing an espn nicosiam as far as the coaching stripe path. But it my body and my intuition and everything about me with in turmoil and wanted to say no on run so in a huge complex for me at that time and then also at the same time you're asking mark elliott about rumors at one point. You said you asked as keith. Have him and his response. Which seems to mir a lot of the responses internally was. Where's your data. So if at any point someone in the organization step forward and ask questions the responses. You have to give me data that backs that up. How do you give data on rumors so because of that you sort of ignored a lot of the the rumors and you're also being told that people that don't kind of agree with the group's philosophy are are suppressive which is borrowed term from the church of scientology. So what were the other ways that they were. Suppressing you from getting information quicker about what was going on within the organization. Well the the the main ways the distance done was when i would ask a question about what's going on it would immediately be turned back around to me to first of all you have data and second of all. Why do you need to know what is so important over here. Meaning the question. That i was asking i. It's what's going on inside here. Why don't you work on yourself. What what is it in new. What the fishing you have that. You need to know what somebody's doing in their private life or what's going on behind closed doors over there So it's always re. They would always sent back to me was always redirecting back to me and my deficiencies. What began to trouble. You the most what began to trouble me. The most was genesis. I took genetics trucks which were eight day track. I took three of them in mexico city. And what when. I really started questioning things was. I grew up with a feminist mother. So i grew up in with you know wearing a small child. Era bracelet equal rights amendment bracelet. And my mother was always Pushing for anything in that area. And i found myself almost going back to like nineteen fifties values in my head. You know that women should not speak up and and that we're entitled princess of living in a bubble and all of these things that went totally against who. I wasn't how i grew up. So that was kind of my first sort of feeling. And then the other thing that was happening with the men in the organization around after being for about a year so started to be very controlling me they started to suppress me and start to control me and i'm starting to feel it and again i grew up. Nobody controlled me. You know nobody's gonna tell me what to do. You're not the boss of. And so. I found myself getting into arguments with a lotta the men and women and it were me defiance and i was like well. Yeah i guess. I am being defiant but i was pushing back to those two things in combination. Were really starting to to kinda wear way at me. How much did it cost to take gymnasts track. I think i'm trying to remember the genetrix for like fifteen thousand of or eight days rack over three out so for your three three tracks. Eight days. a twenty four days in total broken up into three different tracks times and about five thousand or six thousand each and do people take those tracks After one another or do they break them apart. You know a couple week break well. For example i took mine in two thousand sixteen took it november and then february of two thousand seventeen and then may two thousand seventeen. So right around the time dos broke. I was in mexico. Taking lustiest track. That i took and oh all of the tracks were were held in mexico. Not all of them. Some of the tracks are held in albany. But i think because the majority of the people taking the tracks at the time i did. We're from mexico. So we all went to mexico to take them. And which track included the part with the society protectors where they're flipping the script on you and making people do plant or women do planks. Which which track is that in the last one. I only took the first three tracks. I believe that track is further on like six or seven. Okay but but s. o. P. p. complete so s opinion was the men's organization and s o p brought the women in complete is where they started being on penance and things like planks punishment and reading. This calls and things like that. What was your experience with the others that are featured so heavily in the vow and then of course of course seduced. So how well did you know. Mark and sarah were they actively in albany all the time. Were they hillier to other members of nexium I believe they were pretty much familiar to anyone in the community Bonnie piece Marcus fantasia wife with my coach before she left and I had a pretty good relationship with them. I didn't know. Sarah admits that well. Mark was the head of the centre in los angeles. So i knew him. And of course bonding with my coach. I knew her. And i think everybody pretty much knew who they were with. An organization and mark was on the board so Did you go to v. Week people want to know if you had the chance to go to the week. Yes i did go through the weekend. Two thousand sixteen. And what was that experience like. Well actually a lot of fun It was we had these Group classes that you could take you can learn how to sing which took that one and or you can learn how to drum. I also took that one and we would meet throughout the week through the abuse like as altogether and we would meet throughout the week practicing with the people who are taking these classes and then we would perform at the end of the week. We performed for King's birthday and it was a lot of fun really point like do we have to celebrate with another cake or is this like another day exchange like it's almost like a toddler like we get it at your birthday but again it was a weekend event which is still alive but and then extended out to all of these days and one thing. I'll never forget this. The first night i was there. They had this Every night everybody would meet him and sometimes keith. when speak. sometimes he wouldn't and there was they. Were doing all the promotions. And i skipped that particular evening i was. I was tired. So i get it and i told the bunch of people know. Never skip that one again. This is the best one where everybody gets promoted and we can give tribute to everybody in tribute. In the most important thing we must give tribute in skip. Should be to everyone including heat. And so i think that idea of tribute was just ran through view weeks so i mean having a cake for keith. Every day would have been completely normal for a lot of people would have loved it. I know it sounds crazy. But what about allison performing. Because in the stars documentary they show and i've seen it several times online where she singing to him and clearly. She's in love with him but she's honestly like not that good of a singer and very melodramatic. Were you guys as uncomfortable as we were watching that or are you just like totally buying it hook line and sinker. I think there were probably abreu some people that were buying it hook line and sinker because everybody was in this mode of where all together crew by Everything's okay failures. Okay your okay. We love everybody as is and so seeing her do that. I remember watching it and going That's a little. But at the same time i i was kind of everyone around me like oh you know. Look at that and then i'm thinking to myself. Well you know. I guess if i were up there singing and i didn't sound so great. I would hope that everyone around me wouldn't be judging me. This feeling of everybody is no judgment. No criticism you can be. You are with very freeing actually so at. What point did you understand that. There were women sleeping with keith. Non until i actually heard from them like not until actually heard their story so it would have been after me. I'd heard the rumor. And i saw the way he was kissing. Everyone in you know. He kicked everyone on the lips when he saw them. So and everyone kissing everyone. Little bit honestly. Many people kissed each other on so it wasn't just keith. And i think. I started to realize there was something going on around the time that that dos broke open. You know when when. Thanks frank report. Came forward with that Yeah because you read a report and then you get a call from canada from a member that was encouraging you to read. Read frank report and told you that something was going on what. What was the message that she gave you. So i will I received a call from someone in canada and she said I need to talk to you. And i need to tell you about something it okay and she said i'm sending you a link to the frank report and i need you to erase it immediately. Not tell anyone that you got it for me. And i said okay so hung up the phone but lake red started reading this particular article on the frank report and i was reading it and didn't make any sense to me. It was like okay. They're talking about these women. And then i saw the word collateral All of a sudden a light bulb went off. And i thought lateral. Is that what she was talking about that. We'll be talking about so. I called her immediately and i said is this what you were talking about. I'm since they've yes. It's what i was talking about for her she. She didn't know everything that was going on. She didn't know the whole big picture so when she realized what was going on. She's like okay. Yeah that's that's what i was doing now. Hundred per phone with her. I called back from canada. And she said you gotta get out gotta get out and it was sitting on. Never forget this moment. I was sitting in a chair. And i had this wave. Come over me very strange like this door. This portal opened up. And all i could see and hear and feel evil and it would keep. Wow and it was the most amazing weird experience i've ever had and then the door shut and then i thought oh my god what was that i was feeling evil was so it's permeated my body and i thought to myself that can't be real. He can be level. there's no way he can be but he's created. This curriculum is helping people. Were all you know working on ourselves. We have this mission to help make the world a better place. He can't be evil. And so. That's when i started the cracking started at that point to me. Also you have a successful husband. You are around a lot of successful people when you talk about the organization and you mentioned. He's one of the most smartest men in the world most ethical man Converted the dalai lama helixsleep four hours a night. Did anybody outside. Say this just doesn't sound right. Yes so i- many of my close friends were questioning me But i was very the and they didn't want lose me as friends so they were very gentle with me. I have to look back that and in conversations that we've had since so i can tell in a very very quickly in the conversation if somebody going along with what i was saying or not and if i felt any push back at all i would either end the conversation or move onto something else so i was very very good at being. You know the orange county girl or the girl. So there are two of me kind of running around inside. So i could go to an event but say maybe presidents or dacian event or i could go to a fundraiser and i could be the orange county girl and not talk about the cold not behaving any interesting different ways or i could be very much involved with mixing them and and enrolling people so we were just kinda depend on my audience and depend on. Where i in communion. What what you think about now that all this information has come forward. Could you see the signs there that she was much more manipulative. That than people had a had thought. You had spent a lot of time with allison when you did the genus tracks. You're familiar with the women of genus is. All is all of this surprising to you or does it sort of. Is it like puzzle pieces clicking together. Well there's a lot of puzzle people's definitely clicking together. I remember my on the third track in mexico. She needed to around may two thousand seventeen. So this is they're recruiting mccreavy for like there's this huge push on it. Apparently and she was coming up to me in the classes. And things like you know you're smoking hot and you know you are right and it's like well you know she's like fifteen or twenty years younger than me and so i She would come up and she sort of stand next to me and sort of put our arms around me and sort of bump up against me and this is kind of strange behavior and so she started to Want go out to lunch and things like that. We're gonna have lunch one day. Oh i have to go now. Keeps calling me. And i had this Play that i want to do in san diego to act him. I if i can do it and i that's just where i think he should do the place with no no. I have to ask you so she ran. Phone call came back and she said i could do. I'm gonna go. I think that's a good call. And at that point i started thinking. There's something seriously wrong with her. Only wish we had lost a ton of weight. But she's behaving in ways that seemed not only erotic but almost like I don't even know the word for it was just a radic and not in her body So i don't. It's hard for me to make a judgment on that because on whether or not she who were her intent was mean. It looks like from everything we've seen you know. She was pretty very harsh on people. Obviously but i also know what it feels like to be indoctrinated and brainwash and you do start to blur the line between right and wrong It's very easy to do. And i think that happened to her. And i'm not saying that she doesn't deserve what's coming to her. I don't even know what that's going to be. She hasn't been sentenced yet But as a human being to another human being having experienced some of the things that she's experienced it's really hard for me to know where the line between good imbalance and right and wrong for her. What she did did they let you go easily. Was it hard for you to cut the cord. no it wasn't I had a lot of people calling me. Even when i started the documentary. I had a lot of people calling me and telling me to shut the f up. Keep my head down. And don't do the documentary. I people calling me when. I first left trying to talk me back into it. I mean at length for hours and hours constantly had those people tried to stay in contact with you of most of those people left Or are some of those people still in the organization. They're all still in or most of them are in the organization. And it's just heartbreaking. Because i care about these people still do. I'm still holding space for them to maybe someday see the light. But they're mostly still in part of the mixing five that are trying to help key. How many how many people do you think are still in well from what i can see about. Fifty six people wrote letters for key On behalf of keys before sentencing so at least we know fifty six I'm guessing mexico. There's quite a few not certain But i know there's some for sure and do you have any insight into the status of nancy saltzman i. I don't know how much communication she's allowed to have with anyone but you get a sense that she may have realized the error ways or do you think that she is still true. Nexium believer so hard to tell. I go back and forth and all the time nancy and i So nancy is not allowed to speak to anybody. That was on the coaches list of nexium. And i think they were frank report. Put that list up. I was on that list at the time So she's not allowed that any communication with anyone. So i have not spoken to her over two years so i do not know where she stands other than what she took responsibility for when she was sit her plea bargain but you still believe that there is something good in all of this so that tells me that she might still be conflicted. No is it hard for you to watch the series playback the vow and seduced. Is it hard for you to kind of listen to everybody else's story or have you kind of make peace with it like a. This was just a a moment of my life and and to see the good that came out of it. The daily the daily question to myself Watching the vowel and watching seduce is been very difficult at times. It can't not watch it you know but I watch it and it. It's it is hard. It's very very difficult to see. Because they're still you know. There's still some unanswered questions and It's very hard to see the damage that has happened to people. And it's very hard to see nancy's face because she gave me a billion em's so it it's hard to see her on screen. Because i realized oh my gosh. That's her looking at me. That's how she used to look at new and then knowing all the tactics that she used the the veiled hitlerism all the neuro linguistic strategy tactics. It must be enormously frustrating. And you're unlike the others because they didn't tell you to lose weight because you already a leaner person. But what is that like for you to watch the way that those women were counting their calories. You obviously saw a lot of them become quite thin What was the reason for him wanting them to be thin. Well there's a lot of theory on that. But the one that i think is probably the most truthful that he is a pedophile and he likes women to look like real girls. And if you're five foot five and a hundred pounds or something they're going to look like a have a little girl's body. I can have breasts. You're gonna everything's gonna be diminished though. That's that's the only thing i can think of that makes sense to me. What is the one thing you would love people to now as a former next member. We've seen all of the documentary episodes. We've read quite a bit for the layperson. Wouldn't you want people to know about being an axiom member and the other people that were part of axiom. I think what i would want people to know is that you know normal. People can get involved in the evening organizations like this and these organizations are everywhere. And i think that the one thing i want people to see or or actually and have compassion for people who get these organizations and understand that they're they're not stupid people that it can happen to anyone and you know when we have when when somebody is searching or just trying to be a better person and they get involved in this. It's like don't don't shame them. Try to understand and try to see them in yourself. Like where could you work at. This has happened to you. And you know. Gas lighting is with a huge component of nixon and it's also huge component of abusive relationships and our relationships. And things like that. So i think what i'd want people to really see. Educate yourself on these types of organizations and understand that these survivors and victims of something like mixing him need understanding and not shame. Where can they find. More information about you so I we have a a Website called seduced documentary dot com and first of all people who are called survivors are struggling with the culture and abusive relationship and resources. They can find all of the survivors that were introduced along. Filmmakers and people like co be programmers and therapists and I am on. That website is well. I also have mound web page called. Kelly teal dot com. And i do speaking and also Writing currently writing a book about my experience in them. But i'll which. I will point out many of the red flags about learning basins like this. But it's mostly about my journey back to myself and how easy it is to be influenced by the outside world and how we can easily take on someone else's belief system so it's really questioning those things and how as a culture we live in a influence or culture and how easy it is to to be influenced. Do you now feel like you see colts everywhere i do. I think there are level different levels of cults. There's like organizations they're cult organizations. They're abusive relationships. And i do see a lot of it out there. I mean any time we give away. We take on someone else's belief system without critically thinking about our take on any belief without critically doing our homework and thinking about what what actually is we're being influenced So it it's a very tricky thing. And i think most people don't do their homework and they don't think about things they just go. That sounds good. I'll take that in. And i'll make that part of who i am and that's where we get in trouble. I'm so grateful that you've come forward to tell your story. I can't thank you enough. This has been so helpful for me. And i'm sure for countless others to kind of understand the mindset of an axiom member and i'm degree for all of you for telling your story and it's it's undoubtedly will save a lot of people from heartache. Once they listen to this and they listen to your story. So i think you a million times. Well thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I want to thank my incredible gas. Cecilia in ball and kelly. And to remind you guys to go to i tunes and leave a five star review. You can jump in my facebook group. And i hope you do to talk about this episode and that group is called reality life with casey against facebook group. You can find me on twitter at cape casey. You can find my instagram. Which is casey c. A on twitter. I tweet about shows. Enduring shows all week long. And i'm going to be posted in my twitter and on my instagram. The must watch shows this week which you've got to check out. And also i the patriot page for bonus episodes. You can go to p. a. t. r. e. o. n. Dot com backslash. casey bonus bonus episodes. You love it. I'm grateful for your time It's a very nutty week this week in the united states with the elections. And i'm hoping that you all give yourself some time to just relax and to escape. And i hope that this was a part of that plan wishing you guys a great week and i'm thrilled to tell you that my guests on friday include one of the most hysterical people. I have ever seen on reality television. A woman who was on married at first sight australia her name is says and there are ample clips watch on youtube and i will also be posting listening to her. Most fantastic one liners but also somebody who is really open about the toll of your mental health. When you're on a reality show one that absolutely that becomes a big sensation in your country and that happened to her. So i'm really excited for you guys to hear that as well again wishing you guys greek and on check back with you on friday.

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S1 E3: Sex, Money and Nazis

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S1 E3: Sex, Money and Nazis

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Sometimes three times more likely you can find reveal on apple podcasts or wherever you get uncover, escaping Nexium, learn more at reveal news, dot org. Previously on escaping Nexium. As there's an and Ammon here. She's like, oh, my God is she turned her head to the side and she saw the k.. And then are now just like what the fuck. I'm I have 'cuse initial beside the. Sarah Edmonson connect the dots k. r. Keith neary a. m Allison Mack, everyone's freaking out like I should have been freaking out. How did they miss this. Sarah has Keith Ramirez initials burned onto her body. She gave devastating collateral to be part of what she thought was a women's only group in Nexium. Now, Sarah is pretty sure that group dos is run by Keith. What does the Upton. What kind of person would do this. To try to answer this. I'm going to cover a lot of ground what may feel like a wild ride, but stick with me. It's worth it. I'm Josh block. This is a scaping Nexium from CBC podcasts, uncover. Chapter three sex money and Nazis. Vanguard, happy, happy. Very, thank you for giving us the opportunity to build these. Just these great team, these amazing family this week. Thank you very much. We love you. Love the whole thing that because pitched as is it originally, it was Keith's. Birthday was create that day, then it turned into a weekend and then it turned to into a week when my last week was twelve days. It's almost half a fucking month. V. week is the big annual celebration of Vanguards birthday guard week was summer camp picture the Catskills in the dirty dancing held on the Catskills and upstate New York. The bus would pull up from the airport and like you'd get out and people be, they're welcoming us. Latin music playing and top forty hits. People leaving like like dance parties come a lot. Hundreds of Keith spa lowers gathered here cheer at night. They would congregate in an auditorium and take turns paying tribute to him. Sometimes song sometimes dance maybe is lying in the grass with the stars and the holding hands or v, we could be French and friendship or could be the people. Sara love to be week. She went to twelve of them all the best parts about Nexium. She was surrounded by people who felt the same commitment to personal growth. They were in the presence of Keith someone who they admired and loved someone. They were sure was leading them on a path to better themselves and the world. It was just like it was so great. So fun. I mean, honestly, Josh, like I learned to just assume that he all of these things that were weird were based on the foundation that he's this, the most ethical humanitarian man in the world, and he wouldn't do anything that wasn't within that framework. The FBI claims that Keith was using self improvement organization for darker purposes, Keith has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. And his lawyer say they have evidence that will exonerate him. Keith rarely does interviews nor to those who remained loyal to him. But I've tracked down former girlfriend's business partners and followers who are willing to speak. Most of them are women and through their perspectives. You can start to see that there was more to Keith than the person Sarah used to celebrate. Oh. Check tech one-two-one-two-one-two. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Standing outside the Roxy hotel in New York. Let's go. Fan, you want to sit in my hotel, acquire players. Became. Can you take us back to the first time you met him? Tell me about your first meeting with he said to me, you must be Barbara Bush and like, yeah, I am. Is that in you? And he said, I'm Keith Ranieri. And you know, when you meet Keith, their assists a boyish charm about him and this quiet intensity when Barbara Bouchet join Nexium. Back in two thousand, he's told her she was special that he had visions about her arrival. I need dropped the classic pickup line. Here's a copy of my favorite Ayn rand book. I want you to read it. Can you start reading it? He said, because your dad ni, you're the heroine, your Dag ni in the atlas shrugged and you have finally come here and I knew you're coming. He said, you're my dad. Acne an, I'm the book's hero. John Galt. It worked part of me felt flattered in complimented Barbara, moved to Knox woods the neighborhood where Keith lived near Albany New York near where Nexium has its headquarters, and she became Kice. Girlfriend heath would over the years. Reveal to me things himself about his childhood Barbara. Is tall and imposing she can talk about Keith for hours without coming up for air. And then he told me that his parents divorced when he was young and that he moved in with his mother and his mother was a severe alcohol, keeps dad. James was an advertising exac in the madman era. His mom VERA was a dance teacher. They lived in suffer New York, a couple of hours down the highway from Albany. And so he learned to become a nocturnal person because of his mother and that in his teenage years that he would kind of like need to watch her care for her in the evening because she would sometimes take medicine drugs and drink and in. So we had this kind of precarious relationship with his mom. That was unsupervised. Keith also told me that when he was thirteen years old, he believes that's when he had what he deems this. Transformation of himself. That's when he believed that he quote became enlightened and his last attachment, the outside world disappeared. Kice built up methology around his childhood. There's those claims. He was speaking in full sentences by age one and reading by two. He sells himself as someone who mastered college level math at age twelve. He says he was an east coast judo champion at eleven, and that he was a piano prodigy who turned down a scholarship to Juilliard in this father sent. He's barb when he was seven or eight. We had them tested any so intelligent. This was around the time, Barbara and Kice relationship was falling apart. And he said, what we did is we told Keith about how gifted and how intelligent he was. He's, it was almost like a switch off and suddenly overnight. He turned into like Jesus Christ, and then he was superior and better than everybody like he was a diet. He said it was that dramatic in that found, he said it went right to his head. His dad told Barbara that when Keith was thirteen, his mom called him in a panic because dozens of young girls were calling the house, and she was overhearing conversations with them where he was telling every single woman to say every single girl the same thing. I love you. Your special one, newer, the important. You're the one in my life, and I love you. And she says any saying this to different girls. He is clearly lying because they're all not special. I did not expect uncover such obvious links between this man portrayed as a womanizing grew and his childhood. But there it is. We haven't been able to verify Barbas accounts. Kice mom is no longer alive. She died when he was eighteen. We reached out to his dad. He hasn't responded. But what's fascinating is that if these stories are true at an early age, Keith was already experimenting with being a grew and playboy. I literally my first sight of Keith was his rear end either going through or coming into my sister's bedroom window. Heidi Hutchinson, and a younger sister. Gina hung out with Keith in the nineteen eighties. At this point, Keith is in his early twenties on Christmas Eve in nineteen Eighty-four Heidi says he wasn't like other guys. They knew he was an nonconformist and that was attractive. Gina was dating him. I was just, I Dina was very young. She was fifteen about to be sixteen. He was stuck in the window. But towards about germ door. Ho ho ho. It Santa Claus. They had some splaine into do so Keith tried to play it to me and to our family as if he did have serious intentions for Gina, and he did, you know, see her as his romantic interest, possibly future wife. So a long term committed relationship. Heidi says, even their mother bought it, but it wasn't true. Gina eventually found out that there were others and she was heartbroken. Was Usery. It was not right. Heidi. Gina would learn that Keith had multiple partners, including poly-amorous relationship with three women who became known as spiritual wives and would remain with him for decades. Years later poly-amorous became part of Keith teachings. Like when he told Sarah and nippy that men are inclined to have multiple partners. Keith does not sound like your typical casanovas. One of his friends of that time described him as pretty nerdy. Did mass puzzles stuff together for fun. We were good friends. We hung out all day every day launching around in sweat pants, and our hair messy. We haven't had a shower or Eric route is now a computer programmer in Philadelphia for nearly ten years. He was one of Keith's closest friends. He has always wanted to have some sort of money generating machine going on where he could focus on non business. Things eventually do some, you know, good with do something constructive with he was in the m by Keith worked briefly for the multi level marketing company and way something about the structure of it captured his imagination. He dreamed of starting a company like it. Keith was fresh out of college. He was into yoga and eastern philosophies, and his house became a kind of hippy hang out. There always seemed to be a group of people hanging around him like jeanane, Heidi. They were mostly young women. An Eric says, there was something about the way the women were acting. Around keith. I don't know. Some people just seem to have stars in their eyes, and a lot of these young women were were interested in the sort of thing. We're very attracted him dazzled with him or infatuated one week he's drew people to him was with talk of the human potential movement, the idea of unlocking people's untapped abilities and how can bring about positive change in the world. Hit. He's the word empower, but he would motivate them to fulfil whatever their gifts and talents might be to pursue those, but to pursue them in a way that Keith benefited from their successes in their pursuits. This is an idea I've heard again and again, Keith listens very carefully as part of his charm. He makes you feel like you're the only person in the room that you can accomplish anything, but that he also uses people around him for his own ends that he wanted his own money-making machine. Heidi was there when he was working on the first part of this plan? Pay me a picture of what what it was like to go over there. Everyone's feeling around djing around, you know, Keith, his gotta notebook. Arrese got a rubik's cube, and there was planning imploding and packaging of Keith as guru. As part of this packaging kief took something called the mega test if he did well, it would prove he had a super high q.. There was a take home exam. I was kind of sock that the IQ tests was an open book. Task key scored forty six at a forty eight in nineteen eighty nine. The Guinness Book of world records listed keys Munari as one of the smartest people in the world. This became a huge selling point. And he milked it. From the beginning of Erica have with the whole world. Opportunity. Opportunity to do more have more to. This promotional video is from nineteen Ninety-two. The venture Keith clan landed on was called consumers byline. It was a club that gave you access to discounted prices on everything from household appliances, to spa occasions in like Amway, it was a multi level marketing company. So members could also earn money by recruiting other members. It's fascinating the opportunities available in this country. I don't mean fancy investments. This video features the actor Eddie Albert of the popular nineteen sixty sitcom green acres and a chair faced key through neary central message. Keith is one of the smartest men in the world, and he's inviting you to realize your dreams by becoming a partner in his company to show you again. Yes, happy to see you too. It should amazing idea as well. Sometimes it even amazes me brought consumers. Byline is wonderful, and it's working. This is the version of Keith Tony tally fell in love with, oh yeah, I did. I did love him. I mean, he was funny. It was smart and he the first time they met. She was skeptical. God gifted, you all this brilliance, why aren't you cure cancer? Why aren't you doing something magnificent? And he said, oh, I will be, I'm going to change the world. Don't you wanna come along. She did. So she left her husband to be with Keith traveled the country pitching consumers, byline, Keith spoke to packed Dettori sometimes as many as five thousand people, he would light up. I mean, I think that need for that admiration of all those people, you know, chanting his name waiting for him to come on stage and he was good. He was engaging and people loved him, and he would do q NHL exhaustion. And he would go online if. Needed to just answering the questions. Tony has a theory about Keith that he uses women to prop himself up. He has systematically replaced each of the key women with someone with more connections, more accolades, more money. I say that he just keeps improving. The last model when consumers by line was shut down. After thority said it was a pyramid scheme. Key started looking for his next project and the next woman who entered his life with more accolades and more connections was Nancy. Saltzman Laurence's mom, Tony was the one who introduced them. The keys Nancy's ability to be able to manipulate people. They waited his whole life for her and that if she just listened to him and fouls him, they will create something better than the world has ever seen. Nancy was a personal development coach, a believer in the human potential movement and trained in hypnotherapy. He was moved by her now only her ability to to hypnotize but how well she could handle room. The way Tony tells it, Nancy and Keith have an epic meeting. This is nine hundred ninety eight. It spans four days and when it's over the executive success programs born a few years later, it would be rebranded as Nexium. We found this video of Keith talking about it online. When Nancy Solomon, I met me and I was demonstrating the technologies he's very well versed in many human performance technologies like consumers by line. It will have a multi level marketing structure, but selling personal growth instead of dishwashers, Nancy, Saltzman myself. We wanted to do these results without talent like machine, Keith will be the resident grew and be called vanguard. Nancy is named president. We'll get the decidedly less sexy title of prefect talent on top. We can do some things that are pretty fancy. In nineteen ninety eight as Keats were nearly takes on the role of vanguard. Sarah is training to be an actor at concordia university in Montreal. She has seven years away from meeting Keith, and in those years, he will work on his new persona. He will not only promote himself as one of the smartest people in the world, but that he's in lightened. He's not just an entrepreneur. He's now a grew. He claims to be a renunciation someone who has given up as tach meant to all material things. He doesn't own a cell phone and he's driven around by members of his inner circle. He sleeps most of the day and is up late into the night. He spends a lot of time filing patents for everything from rational inquiry in the sash system to a find my phone app. He greets women in Nexium with a kiss. On the lips. He crafts hundreds of personal growth workshops. He hires PR consultants and people with political connections. He wants a global reach that we seem remarkably little of the world. He spends most of his time with an few kilometers of his home, but he's able to bring the rich and powerful to him. One of his biggest successes in the early days of Nexium is enrolling Claire and Sara Bronfman heiresses too. The billion dollar Seagram liquor fortune. Can I say sisters. Ninety? Do I review to the Bruins rarely talk to the press, but in two thousand nine, Sara and Clare spoke with Paul Vandenberg thirteen hundred talk radio, a private radio station in Albany. Sarah described her love of next. I thought it was undoubtedly the coolest thing I've ever done the Bronfman's were huge, get for the organization. They brought money and prestige and some of their emissions dovetailed nicely with Keith. Had this calling this vision to find people who were humanitarian figures in the Wilton work with them. You know, saying to myself, I wanna meet the Dalai Lama and going on pursuing that goal and making it happen. I mean that really the tools of Nexium goal setting program in. That's really that year in two thousand nine, the Dalai Lama accepted an invitation to speak in Albany. Petition the Cup beat some new people. Sara and Clare were key to making this happen. Watching the video of the event. You can see Sarah and Claire sitting on stage with his holiness. They are beaming new friend have. Majority to share vanguard and prefect sit in the front row also beaming here is one of the most famous and respected spiritual leaders in the world acknowledging Keith. The next time there would be this much attention on Clare Bronfman was when she was arrested by the FBI in July of two thousand eighteen on charges, including racketeering conspiracy. She has pleaded not guilty. Her lawyer says Claire was charged because the government doesn't agree with her beliefs. To learn more about Keith. I've traveled to Clifton park where Nexium is headquartered, weird wires to ninety. I've been trying to get in touch with anyone from Nexium for months, but no one's responded. So my plan is to go undercover, walk in the front door and sign up for some Nexium courses. I hide a digital recorder, my breast pocket, and I leave my producers in the car. The offices are a one story, brick building with a cheap looking, Nexium, sign screwed to a bulletin board out front. There's a few reserved parking spots, one for Lawrence salesman and another for Nancy. Knock on a glass door. No one answers. I try a second door and it's unlocked. So I enter. Inside a large portrait of vanguard and another of prefect on the wall. There's a central meeting area with a number of joining offices, and there's a woman who seems very surprised to see. Hi. Yeah, I'm here. Is this the executive success program. I'm Josh. I was wanted to find out about some programs, a friend of mine taking some courses. This is not how invision things going. I've just wanted anyone that could tell me about some of the programs that you would need to be meeting somebody. How did you get it. But I knocked on that door. I had heard new recruits were love bombed showered with warmth and affection. When they signed up this supposed to be all kinds of excitement about bringing a new member into the next in family. This woman is not particularly enthused by presidents. Oh, I'm just leaving snowing around not know who do I contact? Well, you would need to. I think you would need to contact your friends who ever refer you and that they will give. They will give you contact someone here to me. It turns out Nexium does not take walk ins. Thank you. Are we sure. It really was always like your salvation is right around the corner with the next class. Like what, if the next, how many times a heard, what if the next class is the one that resolve this issue. He was not just the rich and powerful gravitated to Keith Scott star was one of the people who fell so hard for the next promise. He moved his whole family to the area. He still lives close by, but he's no longer a member of Nexium. We moved most recently from North Carolina appear to be a part of of the community into do more classes into invest in in personal development and really didn't be more humanitarian do something like that in the world, Scott and his wife spent over one hundred fifty thousand dollars on Nexium courses. We'll. So we're, we'll go is the what they call the sports Barnes. Scott is taking me and my producer Kathleen on drive. I mentioned it was one of the weirdest parts and caught the triathlete. He's wearing a perfectly fitted gingham button up shirt as well as best. He looks like he stepped out of an l.l bean catalog. I finally get the geography where in the suburb of Clifton park, which is just outside Albany, and within Clifton park, there's a little neighborhood called Knox woods where most people in Nexium live Scott drives us to a spot just ten minutes from Knox woods, and we stop outside what looks like a barn. It's a single story. Red building made of wood and surrounded by farmers fields, Scott doesn't want to get out of the car. He's nervous about being spotted Elvas. I caught like health court. They're like like no pun intended because it was literally on the volleyball court. If Scott wanted one on one guidance, he would come here at midnight to watch Keith, play volleyball every Tuesday and Thursday. This is how Keith made himself available to his followers. But so people would come to see him. And when I went, it was it was always a little awkward. I'm trying to picture this. It's fifteen sixteen in the ball game. And then suddenly someone comes up and it's like my inner deficiency is and I can't get through it. And so you pause the game and he starts talking to them, you know, in my experience more like, okay, you know ten people on the core. They just finished their fifth game and they always play seven. So, hey, go, go, ask your question real quick. Your coach or something might say, we'll come to volley ball and ask Keith all give him a heads up that you're gonna come. It's probably gonna be three minutes long and look for your opening. So it is. It does create this sense of fifteen people on the sidelines sitting there waiting for their chains. Okay. Yeah. Now is my chance at an excitement or at least a attention if you will of doing that. I mean, the sports barn is like barely heated and people come in and all hours. The nights, the parking lot would be full like, you know, one AM so it just again, it was a weird thing, but but kind of cool in that way. Cool at the time until he learned about another side of the company. You kill Duke. Yet duped and like what's the word? What's the opposite of naive? Like like more cynical. Close thera and let her know I'm here Knox woods. Hey, guys. Hey, I'm sending, oh house there in if you rented an apartment close by and spent at least a few months here every year. By the time they left Nexium, they in the process of finalizing plans to move here, like this is so weird that you're not would things creating. Okay. Okay. I. I'm trying to see the place through Sarah's is an imagine how she saw Keith. On first glance, nothing unusual stands out here in Knox woods homes that belong to Nexium members are scattered around the neighborhood. It's quaint, it's focus like any suburb. But this is definitely not your David Koresh hole up in a compound kinda group. So are you doing like a series of podcast, Lori, Christina lives here? She's a self appointed head of what she says is neighborhood watch and she's taking me on tour. There's a car in the driveway. Taus Lori thinks she spotted Karen under Wainer. One of Kice longest-standing girlfriends one of his spiritual wives. I have a million questions for Karen. Did Kice create dos? If so, why. Did she know women were being branded with Kice initials. So and there's someone in the car right now. Karen is about one hundred meters away. She gets into her car and searched the drive towards me. So I wave. She waves back and she rolls down her window. Hi, I'm with the CBC. What did you say a wave like legit way. Karen isn't the only member of Nexium. I was hoping to find here today. Kief. Last time I got Keith. We've heard rumors Kice left the area when they see him watching. We'll text me and say, hey, you know, keeps walking a week after we return home from this trip. He's arrested in Mexico. We're going to loop around this way. And that is apparently if what Sara remembers is where the branding may have taken place in his strange to be standing here. This is the home where Sarah says her and floor. Other dos slaves were led blindfolded. This is where the branding took place. How the other units, if they were home, didn't hear any kind of noise or screaming. It's kind of crazy, right? This is where they all come home to roost the mothership. The mothership is three drab grey row houses on curb street. It's ground zero of Keith harem. The library, I believe is his one of his man caves. The second floor of another townhouse is referred to by some as key sly berry and others as Sexton. It's got a hot tub and a loft bed and is a focus of the FBI's investigation. You can see there's cameras, the camera according to the FBI Keith's, harem extended beyond the women. He lived with the harem walk. I've seen the harem meet up happen right in front of my condo, won the girl or the woman coming from one direction key from the other. The FBI claims heath has a rotating group of fifteen to twenty women with whom he maintained sexual relationships, and these women agreed to keep it secret and agreed to have sex with no one else, but keep many of these women held important positions in the company. Sarah says she did not know about this part of keeps life. It wasn't until she left that she realized just how much she'd missed. What I now know is that of the twelve women, all of them, but me knew about each other. I was the only one it didn't know about all of them, but all of them knew about each other in knew about me. Barbara Bouchet says, she also missed a lot. She was Kice girlfriend for eight of the nine years. She was in Nexium. She was the woman who keeps the -duced by lending copy of our shrugged. Barbara is a financial planner. She says she was making a million dollars a year when she moved to Knox woods in two thousand to dedicate herself to Nexium. She Venturi held a senior position in the company and joined the board of directors. But when she found out she was not keys only girlfriend, she was upset over the next three days. Keith would not talk to me, but the whole army, his inner circle women are making visits. And now what they're doing is saying, you know, you came into this lifetime to do this. This is your calling. You're here to make a difference, your the Dag ni. Year, his soulmate news, you're his soul partner. Barbara was told she was the chosen one. She was special, Keith was so sensitive to her moods that even her diet could affect him even if they weren't in the same place. It had an effect on him almost like someone was having an argument in the room. It would drain of his energy. And he was an important man with a powerful mission. If Keith was in a bad mood, Barbara would be blamed would call and say. Keith told us that you're having an issue. And he's laid out flat on the couch. You just zap them of all of his energy. Don't you realize he's here to do bigger things. We also told her she needed to address issues around jealousy because they had a more important mission and they needed her on board. Okay, great. A couple of things. I came down with a really bad cold last night. So my boys has more questions for Barbara about what life was like inside this exclusive part of Nexium. She tells me that this group of women had a special role and making a positive difference in the world and that we found each other as often foles. And that's when she starts talking about Nazis. Aweso propagated done in our previous lifetime, that many of us have been during the Nazi type. That we have live previous past lives, and you know, we had reincarnated over the different centuries. You know. In different roles for different reasons. And that, you know, we came into this lifetime to try to repair some of the the, the previous lifetime. And when you say that that that you were the group was reincarnated from the Nazi era. Was he suggesting that you were in fact Nazis. Well, you know, some of us he did and some of us he did it. So, for example, with me. My name is boo shy than the word shy in French me, butcher. And a key leader. The doc- time was right hatred, Reinhard. And his nickname was the butcher approx. And so they decided that I was him at a previous paths lifetime. And is that something that you believed or continue to believe is true. That I do believe personally, but I've lived other lifetime. I'm one of those kind of people that subscribed to the philosophy that my soul has been reincarnated their things and places and times that are very familiar to me because I leave that I been there before. I know it and I do believe that our Foale reincarnate. Let's just take a moment to absorb this. So Barbara was hydrate, Reinhard one of the architects of the holocaust and then see salesman was Hitler. Keith was lucky enough to be the reincarnation of a leader of the partisans fighting to save the Jews. Part of their task was now to evolve their souls, and this would acquit them to do the humanitarian work necessary to atone for past Tross ities one way to evolve. Their souls was to have sex with Keith. Studied in the Buddhist religion and different kind of GU brew, you know, grew teachers who are all being believed that they could move an energy, the shock GRA energies within the person both by their words or energy their teachings in if you have sex, you can move the cool the weedy energy. I have to say this ranks is one of the most creative ways to convince someone to have sex with you. Barbara tells me there's another layer to keys him. He said, if a woman was in love with him, should be more loyal and committed the sixth ended beyond the inner circle to other women working in the company, having intimacy with his key women gave him these extra degrees of freedom. Control influence and the ability to manipulate because let's face it when you're in love with someone, you know it wasn't there, Amos thing that goes, what you won't do. You will do for love. I wanna be clear again, the vast majority of Nexia members were not privy to this talk of reincarnated Nazis nor Keith's harem. This was all kept under wraps as much as possible. Barbara says, Keith wanted to be publicly known as a scientist. So when word got out that Keith was talking about reincarnated Nazis, he was furious. Are you aware that Keith had a commodities account in my name in the first year? Okay. I've told you about the sex and the Nazis. Now I need to tell you the money. So he says me, he says, I have a formula to trade commodities, and I was wondering if you would experiment with me Barbara says she'd only known keys for five months when he made a proposal. And he says, if you put in twenty five thousand and I put in twenty five Bishop both put in twenty five thousand dollars to test out his formula to beat the commodities market. But I'm a conservative money manager and I had to think about it for a while. 'cause I don't gamble. I never bought penny stocks. Are you going to be surprised to hear she agreed. So once I agree to that, then he said, will then, hey, can I borrow my twenty five thousand from you? So now she was in for fifty grand. This is the method of the con artist. This is how they do it the shoe, long a month. Later key showed up at Barbara's house at midnight. He's crying, beat bread and sweating. He said something happened today that he had never thought could happen. They had made a risky bet, and the broker said, they know six hundred thousand dollars and they needed it in ten days and like non having a heart attack because he council my name. I don't know commodities. I don't know what's going on and I'm confused days. What do you mean? Hundred? And so I had to cover the six hundred thousand. It didn't come back. Two weeks later, they need three hundred thousand more. Week later. Another hundred fifty thousand more. It was like on a train was barreling down the track heading for crash with the station, and you couldn't get off the train, and I was like, sell the account, close it. I don't care. I'm gonna lock in the loss. I don't want to have anything to do with this. I'm Terry, my life savings. I'm forty years old. I had an Taylor suits at one pair of black shoes. I've never coats and diamonds. I saved my money. I worked my this league in its league. Leaking. It's linked back through my fingers. Barbara says she lost one point six million dollars, but like so many other women case life, she stuck around and keep didn't stop trading on the commodities market. If Barbara had a lot of money, Sarah and Claire had more. He turned to the Bronfman's. Barbara said he pitched them on a plan to expand the reach of the company by making a fortune on the commodities market. Barbara says, Keith borrowed sixty five million dollars from the Bronfman's and he lost it all. In an interview with the New York Times, kief denied the amount was that hi Barbara says, she doesn't know whether we ever paid it back, but she was in the room when he explained it was Clair's fault. He had lost the money. He said, Claire committed an ethical breach when she spoke with a reporter from Forbes magazine about Nexium, the two thousand and three article upset their dad, Edgar Bronfman senior, and Keith claimed as punishment. The billionaire manipulated the commodities market to ensure Keith would lose the money. What? What did you observe was clear response. My my impression was that they believe. I kid. Crock shit. And then there is this last allegation. Very gradually started with a hug. Kief taught me how to hug in two thousand twelve, the Albany times union allege that Keith had sex with underage girls. This was something Sarah Edmonson said members of Nexium were told not to believe because the media can say anything poll mine. Pelvic area close to the adult hugged like that. This woman spoke to the Albany times union newspaper in two thousand twelve. They agreed with Holter name. She said she was twelve. When she met Keith, he was thirty. This recording of our interview is posted online, Keith Ranieri shortly after moving to cook park around nineteen ninety. The woman said her mom was involved with consumers byline. I was looking to make some extra money. She got me jump stuffing envelopes, and then I got to meet Pam and Karen Christian key, and they offered me a job walking camps dog for five dollars a day twice a day, going to their house to walk the dog. MC welcome in the morning before school. And after school. During that time, I got to know heat. He offered to tutor me in algebra and Latin shortly after the tutoring started actual relationship began between Keith and might help. It happened racial mostly in office, WADA EMI elevator in empty business. Office in Rome, a broom closet, janitor closet, and also the housing where Cam Kristen and Karen lift with Keith that relationship continue from age of twelve till thirteen. When I ran away with Benchley point, the woman told the times union, she had around sixty sexual encounters with Keith two years later, she went to the police to file a complaint. The police did not pursue an investigation and charges were never laid. The f. b. i. claims Keith had sex with several teenage girls in the eighties and nineties, though Keith is not facing any criminal charges related to those claims. When Heidi Hudson caught Keith climbing into our sister Gina's bedroom, Gina was not yet seventeen under New York state law. This was statutory rape. Gina didn't go to the police. There was never an investigation. I have to rely on Heidi's accounts because Gina died by suicide years. Later Kice lawyer says these allegations of sex with underage girls are not true though Keith has not directly replied to organize a request to talk about any of this. It wasn't just the Albany times union that reported on these types of allegations. The losses on the commodities market and rumors about his harem over the years. These stories eventually surfaced. And for the most part, Keith followers stuck by. Including sarah. It's hard to pin down the exact moment. Sarah changed her view of Keith. I pictured there being a sudden awakening, we're all the allegations about Keith's snapped into focus, and she decided to leave, but a seem Sarah experienced it more like a slow burn over a couple months while she was in dos. If there was a decisive moment, a final push out the door. It came from Mark vicinty the man who I recruited her would become her business partner and friend, Mark vicinity. Got me in and got me out. He had an important piece of the puzzle and caught Sarah off guard. He told her that women in dos were being instructed to sleep with Keith, and that's what I was like, oh my God. What am I in? What is this. The certain things started to click. I was such a basket case. So this is what this is one stop sleeping. 'cause I the, you know, the rug has been pulled out from underneath me and I think it was it was. It was in the middle of I was running the middle five day as running a training in Vancouver at the center. I was in the middle of the training going in and having to EM people. To just to get through the training. I didn't know the magnitude of the situation. I just knew that I was. I was going to continue with anything. It's a new, our new that one out of dos. Now I recognized. Now, what made sense like Keith, Keith created this fo women's empowerment program within the structure of Nexium to maintain loyalty and to feed his sex addiction. That's just so not what I thought was a part of. Did you ever have sex with Okada? No, no. I've never had sex with Keith. Wanna barf, no fence the woman who did it was actually one of the things he said to people when they said, but look, what about all allegations of a harem. If you had a hair everything, I'd be. It says crazy, but I was like, like really if he was gonna hit on everybody, don't you think he would hit on me and he hasn't done that. He's been nothing but play what I didn't understand. I mean, I say that in jokey way like in a kind of narcissistic way, but I thought really if he was such a douchebag, he would have put it up there what I didn't understand and I can't prove this caveat my opinion. He doesn't put it out there on a traditional proposition away. He puts it out there by offering business opportunities. I've counted on a p. and I just can't at five different things that he offered to me over the years that I didn't take him up on it. It wouldn't be like, you know, hey, Keith wants to have sex with you is come to Albany, Keith, Keith is asking about you when you're in Albany come to volleyball, volleyball. So you think there was a was a moment testing you? I do. I do believe that was on the table and I missed it. You know, authenticity and creativity are an interesting match. We don't like to think of ourselves as his robots, and if you are coming office robotic, most people say that somehow in authentic there has to be there's a series of videos posted online called conversations with Keith. This one is with the actor Allison Mack. I can't be certain when this video was made, but according to the FBI timeline, when it's posted on YouTube, Allison, Mack is Keith rainier slave in dos. So when someone's being authentic, you get the feeling that. Not only that there's a person there in the moment, but somehow you, you reach into their very essence and you. You meet the unique individual. Allison, Keith are sitting across from each other. It looks like a dining room table. She's enraptured and hangs on his every word. I don't know why wannacry it's beautiful. I think. Among its claims. The f. b. i. says Keith was the one who created the secret women's group. The f. b. i. says some dos leaves believe their collateral would be released if they didn't follow instructions to seduce Keith, and it name's Allison Mack as co conspirator her charges include sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy and like heath. She has pleaded not guilty. Her lawyer tells us she disputes the alleged facts of the case and that she expects she'll be vindicated. I think these are all things that we strive for. You know, we strive as a as individuals. We strive to breakthrough type of existential isolation. We want to touch someone we want. We want to know that other people have souls. We want to experience this. We want to experience connection. So, but why? Why do you think that's seller show from the us? I don't know. I think his it seems like it said. Something that I just. I feel like I want it authenticity knife in. I. Silly way. It's like that's where love is. Like, that's like two souls came late, come together without any sort of barrier boundary and somehow there's completion or not aloneness or transcendence in some way. Professional athletes, eight years and all those always loved to sing. She's just recently, Jake voice more seriously. She's been seeing simply human under the guides the last five years. And now also. This is Mexican sisters. No. Kindle. No, messy. Sousse thinking about how what you went to twelve weeks, you celebrated his birthday twelve times. You were teaching curriculum. You were making him a ton of money. When things started to change when you start to realize that the organization was not what seemed to be hugely betrayed. I like everything. You know, over the twelve years, there were so many allegations in media reports about who he was and I went to bat for him and saying, that's not who he is and the stupidest logic. I mean, I still say stupid because people insiders still using this logic, my logic was I've never seen him do that. I've never seen him sleep with all these women. I've never seen him. Raping underage girl. I've never seen him the anything, but XYZ. The now I'm like, you know, that is not. That is not a logical premise for understanding or knowing someone I was live. I didn't live there. See his daily life. I trust the people around me that he was who said he was. I went to bat for him and put my face in my name out in the world. As a as a stamp of approval for Nexium, we'll. He's doing this behind the scenes. It's a huge betrayal. An incredibly embarrassing. For twelve years. Sarah got up on stage of e week and thanked vanguard. She sang happy birthday to him. It is possible that women Nexium created dos. That's the claim. Keith makes a court filing. But if the FBI allegations are true, Sarah is implicated in a group that didn't empower women. It entrapped them. Suddenly vanguard isn't the smartest man in the world with a plan to save humanity. Vanguard is just Keith agai. Albany likes to control women and Sarah is trapped. Were you afraid of him. That time. Yeah, yeah. That time I was rid of him. On the next escaping, Nexium, there's nothing you can really do to protect yourself against them coming after you other than giving them no reason to come after you. Next into Mexico. They were kind of. Shot up because of my beliefs I've had to make choices. Should I have bodyguard? Should I have armed or not? Accidents happen. I'm really careful. Escaping Nexium is produced written by Kathleen gold heart and need it. You lash me Josh block and Beka Anderson who also are audio producer, Heather Evans is our senior producer an off. Noorani is the executive producer, get the series for free wherever you get your podcasts, rest, CBC dot CA, slash cover. I