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I have two guests, but the main one is one of the greatest heavyweight boxing champions of all time, the great and powerful Lennox Lewis and his good friend, and my good friend as well. One of the best stand up comics on the planet earth. Russell peters. So please welcome Russell Peters and Lennox Lewis. Rogan experience Choi. Aw cast by. This time we're live, ladies and gentlemen. We are live with the great empower for Russell Peters. And one of the baddest motherfuckers ever get into the ring lettuce. Lewis don't mess with the best. That's a fact that you you're walking around on this earth. One of the baddest motherfuckers of all time verified hundred percent feel good about it too. It's kind of feel good don't get into new fights. But you know, what else you have your wits about you one hundred percent, you smoothie relaxed. You know, how did you do that? Oh, I started out that way. Is like, you know. Don't fall too far from the tree type of thing. I've always been that way cl- collective thinker soft-spoken. And what you don't know about me. What you don't know about me when you do know about meal, even more do you exercise at all anymore? Boxing wise, hit the bag and well, not not hit the bag. I'm more into like working out with the way. It was like it was hard for me when I retired. That was the worst part. What was the hardest? Just, you know, saying, okay, you know, eating more. So I need to exercise doing exercising. But when I start exercising. I'm training for a fight. Right. So it's like okay training trend doing this. I'm not gonna fight, but I'm still training for fight. So mentally I had to say to myself. Well, let me try the soft things then play tennis in all these different sports, which I can play and that kinda helped me a lot better. Yeah. That is an interesting thing with fighters a lot of times when they're done they're done. They get like Donald. Yeah. Well, he's apparently gone bashing training. He's got back in training camp. But my Donna gum. Why? Because he probably got an Instagram people started talking shit because kind of fat, and that's what made me wanna lose weight. Really? Yeah. People talk at yet. They were like holy fuck. You eat your whole cast. You do look like losing weight though. You look pretty slim. I lost twenty one pounds with our with our dear friend, John Jack Machado. Hey gypsy will peel that weight off yet? That's a fact. Yeah. Some strenuous shit you ever thought about Dungy jitsu lacks? He's scared of me. He won't do it. Oh, let me let me tell you. When I was growing up. I had I had friends that did wrestling at friends that kick box and all these different mediums. And you know, we would always practice with them with us wrestling, whether it's kickin, whether it's doing whatever play fighting, you did all that stuff because everybody always wants to test boxer right and say, well, you know, how does he feel up against the karate guy? Housi- fear up against a kick box housi- fear up against MMA guy. Yeah. They all bear financially better. So, you know, for for me, I didn't really throw my weight around like that. You know, it's like don't mess with me. Okay. If you missed with me something's going to happen. And then they don't really mess with kind of carry myself like that right because I'm so serious at sometimes like, you know, they can take they can sense the seriousness of it series, but still easy going. So I'm no reason to push you. Right. I'm silent. But violent, right. Silence. It is an interesting deal about about fighters is that your when you think of exercise he think of exercises you're preparing for a big violent event. Whereas for most people they just don't want to be fat. They wanna look good. They want to get in shape. And you know, it's a lot of people on Instagram that just working out really hard every day. But there's no reason. Right. You had a reason? Yes. Yeah. So when the reasons gone, so. Now, how do I maintain this shapeless and without maintaining that lifestyle? You think of another reason? Yeah. Like you. You know, you look good, by the way. Thanks, doesn't could not sustain me since I was one hundred and forty seven pounds really one hundred forty seven pounds at one point when I was first started boxing. I was one forty seven. How old were you fifteen? Okay. I met him probably going to sixteen a really known each of that long. Yeah. I know his parents. Yep. Wow. And his and his mom and his brothers wa L goes back. We're deep that's realized that it was like, you know, I see him as a big star now seen in movies and commercials. Rescuing people. And I'm like, oh, this is the kid. You know is growing up is I Z to sell a mix tapes in the nineties. He was already world champ. And I'd be playing to mix y'all some of that. And I'm like, I just made it. He's like give you twenty bucks. I'm like you just made one hundred dollars. Can you give me one hundred bucks? Yeah. Well, you know, everybody was making tapes back in those days where people are aggressively trying to sell tapes on the streets. I wasn't even trying to sell it just playing it in my car. And he's like, no. Yeah. The new going on you know, that was the. Yeah. The real shit. So I had to get a get it. I didn't I didn't have that contact to get the music. So he had the music context. A lot of people don't know Russel's legit DJ. Reluctantly gave mix tapes reluctantly. Yes. Good move. When you know when you see him wrestling with people on TMZ, you see that shit where the jewel trying to always see what happened after he didn't turn punches now. Coach. On his neck gets. If you watch it you see I went for his arm to down to get his neck, and then the other guy in front of them pulled him down. And I couldn't get the neck. Could you tell us? What happened? I mean. Explain that was a guy walking out and you grabbed him. No. If you're you're okay. So here's let me tell you. What happens? I'm they're looking at a ring. Right. And that guy sitting down earlier had checked to see if the door was open. He went out to spit. And now he really he thinks the doors open. So now he thinks he's just going to get up and walk away with this ring. Is where he makes his little move. And then they locked the doors. And then I'm standing like what's going on? And I'm like takes on my friend's father. And then I go nano tried to get his neck. And that guy pulls them you see there's a lot of opportunities yet the neck there. So no. But I'm trying he's a big strong fucking to. You gotta go over the top. I had three layers on a jacket a sweatshirt and a long sleeved shirt on that is an issue. And then so then I try to go for the arm, but everybody sees everybody's in my way. So I'm like giving the arm to somebody get the move dad. Moved ahead. Amazing. The. The only. That's david. And there again, I get the the backward base now pushed in the arm down and you'll see locked the wrist here. As soon as I locked the army says he says okay stops moving because. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I got the risks. You see them? Little wrist lock even Seagal style. That was my friends in shallow. There you go risks legit. He got up again. No, no, no. This is just different angle different. I wanna know how far we was gonna make with a ring you see see that warm. My cousin hiding. When he was trying to get out he wacked his head against that wall. No. And and he cut his he her open the thief. Yeah. So whatever happened him. Got arrested was this in Toronto. No, New York City. No shit right in the jewelry district. So it's funny. That's like ill planned out move that they know that people grab things and run away. We'll there's that. And he apparently this guy had been come to the store for six months. Goping scoping the place. That's hilarious. Sculpt it up poorly. That's hilarious. Yeah. The silly. Do you have to go to quarter or anything? I haven't heard anything since do you put him in all of us trying to do is hold on there. Because right all the doors were locked. I'm like, it doesn't make sense again to scrap with the guy if I could just put him in a chokehold or or lock then till the cops come, but the thing is like you could injure them if you enjoy him, then they do you believe it or not really? Yeah. Ridiculous. It sound work. We'll Russell's not really a law enforcement officer. I could see if you would have been dangerous everybody in the store if he was running wild true. Yeah. So I mean, look he's lucky didn't crack him. Yeah. You know? I just locked them up. And I said all right as soon as I locked up because. Okay. And I go kick good. And then he had one one knee down on one leg up and that kicked out. So he. We'd be blown both knee who get rid of his base. Yes. Right. I was trying to move his Bank the big question. Okay. Now, if the whole thing happened again, how would you do things different? I would've told everybody get out of my way. So I can get him in a choke. Would you just put them sleep? Yeah. It's put them asleep lamb, down lamb down and went back home. And obviously feel good about yourself. Did you kind of run the whole thing through mine? A couple of times like yo this could have happened or what could happen thinking after if he had a gun or if he had nine when I'm like if you had a gun he would have pulled it out right away. Yeah. You know, he's not here to surprise you with a gun here to scare you. What the well? There's all that many dudes on them to good luck pull that gun out. Yeah. Yeah. One of us would a guy, but they probably not probably not if you you've probably got real urgent if you some reaching for something. Yeah. Changed? I think needs to the head would have kicked everything everything. I know what to all the different things you could do like look he want to practice karate ever like want to do something different. That's why I was asking about your jitsu. When you're a world heavyweight champion boxer after why what other shit, can I learn I kept armlock in running kept hugging them putting them in. Like, you know, great Bruce Lee fan a love fighting movies. And you know, martial arts is always been a part of my life. And I say that because every fight I fought before I fought that fight. I watched the martial art movie. Really? Yeah. Like Chuck Norris. Bruce Lee that kind of shift chanted Lee venom all the real shit. Yeah. So, you know, those kind of move Carter Wong type stuff. You know? Yeah. I like that. And that just got me in that mental state like, you know, watch him I may today. Yeah. Do you do you ever watch it and go this was around when I was fighting would I do this? The only thing I think about that. Because you know, like I said I was in the wrestling in did wrestling when I was younger and boxing as well. So I didn't know they could combine them to got older. But you know, my focus was more on boxing. But you know, if they got paid a lot of money, I probably would have done it. You know? Yeah. That's how a lot of people feel. I think think like right now, the money's not quite they're not quite it's for some people at Conor McGregor, Ronda Rousey, but for the other folks, it's not it's not enough to get a guy like Earl Spencer's to jump over, you know. No. And then I see a lot of a scene. Awesome, boxers actually good boxing, actually, just win the fight on boxing because the so good with their hands. Yeah. And but you stance has to be different. You can't have your lead leg out in 'em. That's the problem. You can't stand the sideways. Yeah. Gotta you gotta. Got it. You got to square up you'll get lit up. I don't know. I stand sideways even in the fight because I know that I stick that leg out there for them to come come at. And obviously, you know, it's easy to grab a leg. But to me, I don't think fighting should start that way. Anyway, nobody when you start fighting usually punches thrown quick lasts a couple of seconds. Nobody really just goes through and legs unless they they say, okay. I'm going to go for his legs and take him down. Nobody kick your leg. Yeah. They tell you walk the leg kicks. Brutal. You've been kicked. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough a guy arm leg one time. And I was like I couldn't move on my thinking if we got in a fight kick in the leg, and it gave me a deadly like this. I'm not what I would do so. Yeah. And if it's a guy like your size like Rico Rosen whose glory world heavyweight kickboxing champion. They just keep their hands up to your legs up one or two shots your legs. And it's a horrible feeling. Doesn't move right. It just gives out right on the side of knee. Oh. You know, what you know? He's you you guys look like you've accepted that is like I go mad some kicks me Ligand. Like, yo you kick me in my leg. I don't think anybody's kicking in your leg. Did you ever see when Shannon akin try to us and kickboxing? No, Shannon, Briggs fought, Tom Erikson. No, no, he fucked up, Shannon, got leg kicked. Oh. And he said he chanted talks Larisa goes he goes hurt so bad. But I try to play it off champ. He got hit with one leg kick. You gotta hit with another one. But he touched him with like, a jab to the body and Tom Erikson got a little cocky here. It is right here. He he he fought when he was in like this transitionary period. And they offer them a lot of money. Like right there. You've got leg kicked by this guy. And the guy Tom Erickson that he thought is really more of a wrestler. He kicked him twice and then Shannon. He he actually broke it down for us on the podcast. But he said his leg was hurting so bad, and he tried to go the guy into thinking that he could punch with them. See you got hit again. He's like, oh Jesus. He's letting him. I would knock that guy out. Yeah. But he you think you would just let them do that. But once you get hit with one of those things like that. It's so crippling to your leg, you don't know. You're right. Because like I said, you know, I got hit there. And I was like my liquid move. The the thing is that this leaked up you put Shannon to sleep in sleeping. Great fight to Ericsson tried to box for some strange reason, he got into this crazy. Like right there clipped could night. Yeah. And that's it his two one. Shell champ chill kick. Boxing, kickboxing wearing gloves when shoes no shoes aren't. Yeah. Aren't you? Supposed isn't Shannon, Briggs supposes at least kick a couple of times. Well, you know, if he knew how to but I think he went into their thinking, I'll just crack him with the punch and knocked him out, which he did, you know, he ate a couple of leg kicks. But it's hilarious. When you hear him break down. He's how old are you? Now. Who me? Yeah. I'm under a hundred under hundred under one hundred but you can't be any more than like what he forty five forty seven hole. Thank you very much. Thank you very much older than that fifty say, you're a great guy. You're you don't want to say in people have internet out there. So they'll just look old is fifty three you look great. Thank you. You do write doesn't. He he's always look good. But when you were like, you you're one of those guys who did the smart you retired? And you've just retired. Yes. You know, which is I respect so much. We were just talking about Marvin Hagler the other day when Marvin Hagler retired. He's like good night. Take care of buddy lost a controversial decision to Sugar Ray. Leonard gonna go do some movies. And that was it. He just never came back. It is. So rare that fight or does that. Well, you know, Marvin was disheartened like a motherfucker with boxing, though. He hated it. He was like I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. You know, boxes go through so much. And it's like one day know when it's time when a box and says, it's time to quit. They know it's time because they've gone through so much, and they realized that it's a lot of hard work for me. I've been boxing since I've been fifteen so you know, in training, hundreds of hours training, hundreds of hours work now rest in working on technique, sparring, all these different things after a while. You know, you have to read you reach that height where you say, okay, that's enough. And sometimes. You know, people managers and trainers and promoters. They don't want to tell the box with us enough because that's how much they're making money off of that bucks. Every time he steps in the ring. Right. So did you have a conversation with the manual Stewart about it? Absolutely. An who who made the decision that you guys make it together? I made the decision. He wanted me actually go on really. Yeah. Because I wanted to you know, Tyson was my main nemesis. And you know, he's a box would definitely wanted to fight before retiring, and I didn't know if it was going to happen or not. So I actually stuck around for a couple more years for that fight to happen because one throughout history people with be saying, oh Tyson would've one Lewis with the one one of them to know who ran right? And then after that after the Tyson fight, you know, Manny said, listen close goes around. That's the new generation you can be the guys from this generation and the guys from the next generation. Yeah. That sounds good. So he kind of talked me into doing that fight because I wasn't really gonna do that fight. And then you know, that was a year after Tyson and I didn't really want to box him straightaway. I wanted to buck somebody else because the main never insist was Tyson. And you know, once I once I beat Tyson. You could relax a little bit a relaxed for year and then getting back into boxing box. Klitschko was my first vote which was a mistake to the fight seventeen seventeen days notice that my worst. I beat him at his best. Why why was that a short notice fight because the opponent? I actually picked to fight. Didn't didn't wanna fight me actually said no who was supposed to be Johnson from? Oh, yeah. Cur- John Johnson from Nova Scotia. We're doing him a favor. I think clinical felt that he was doing him a favor. Listen, take let me take the fight up in training for two years for this guy. Oh, I'm ready. And then we'll give you the first show after I win. That's what was promised to him battalion such a good style. Didn't he? Yeah. He did. And that's that kick box install coming into play a little bit because he would throw a punch and lean back like this. And that's the first time I've actually seen that style. Yeah. And you know, if I didn't reach out with my right hand as far as I did I would never caught him with that cut. And it was that long right hand that caught in just at the end of my punch when he leaned back couldn't lean back anymore that made his I cut. Yeah. He was a very strange fighter in terms of his style. Just the way a hands Rohe's down his very weird way of moving very unorthodox because he was such a big guy. Six foot seven. Yeah. There was it was probably the biggest guy you fought, right? Yeah. Take a how you never fought Gonzalez. Did you Michael grant was big Gonzales boxed in the Olympics Luiz Gonzalez? That was never. Yeah. Cuban guy. Yup. They are. Look, look how weird way fights. Is to such an awkward way of moving. Hit me. Good with a right hand held on me. Hold him around the neck on from Muhammed Ali. He said if you Hurley cola guy around the neck, you can tell when he's going to move. While he was he was good in the in the first few rounds after three rounds. What people don't realize about this fight? I wasn't fighting for twelve rounds. Oh, it's fine to knock this guy out. Because you had it in your mind. Yeah. This is the first time you ever see me going forward in the fight guys bigger than me. I'm coming forward. And I'm throwing punches he's catching me, but those were the early rounds, although he's two inches taller than you look bigger than him. This is a thousand physically your wider. You know, when when you look back on your career like do you have like a most satisfying victory? Yeah. What is it seem rock'n? I was gonna say that I was gonna say the remand the first or the second the second Christ. The guy when a guy beats you like that. And then you know, you could have beaten them or you should have beaten them is that what bothered you so much. No, you know, what really bothered me is the fact that I gave him an opportunity. I gave him a fight when I'm basically waiting for Tyson. And I have to keep busy. I'm looking down the list of who who to fight. He's number seven a realized that he's durable is not not one of these guys that get knocked Saudis e so I wanted to give my fans, you know, a proper fight box. The best guy out there, not bucks, easy guy. That's easy to get knocked out. I don't wanna go home in two rounds. So, and then another reason a lot of people don't know I went to Africa to fight because Mohammed Ali went to Africa bought enough. So I wanted to do that. I wanted to be I wanted to fight enough for life. You know, I say, I'm a world champion. So I need to find all around the world. So that's what made me go to Africa. The only thing about Africa is I didn't know that it was such a high altitude up. There and for me to have a fight. I should've got a lot earlier, but I was doing ocean's eleven at that time. Said you were doing the move wasn't doing the move sitting around half the time waiting for them to change the lights, then go out and go up there for two minutes. And then go back and sit there for another two hours while they changed the light. So you training at all with that was happening. Yeah. Always train. But it wasn't like it wasn't conditions of training. You know, needed a bag on sparring partners up there lot soon soon. You just kinda is. Yes, how many thousand feet was at above sea level higher than big bear caves down. Right. So more than six now. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. It was kind of weird because when I start working on. I was like throwing punches then I found myself going. So let's take two steps back. And I'm like, oh, non don't tell me this fight. It's going to be one of those fights have to take my time. So I basically went out there taking my time. I realize he's he's dealing with the same thing, I'm dealing with. Although he was there a lot earlier. But you know, I had a couple of things going wrong box at four in the morning. They couldn't find a big enough ring. Then they when they put the ring together it was like eighteen by nineteen. So and then the punch to actually hit me. I actually thought I I was going to block it. But it came around the side Apu my hand, I put my hand up to block it. But it came round hit me one of those things where a man through a terrific punch with my chin happened to be in the way of. What is it like when that's over? And you're sitting there, and you know, you lost. But you know, that under the right circumstances. This guy is not at your level. In fact, you know, my problem was solved before I got out of the ring a new what I did wrong. Which was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It's like. Another day. He wouldn't throw lucky punch like that. It wouldn't hit me. And he wouldn't have a ref that you know, was on his side as well. How's the ref on us on when I say the reps on his side? You know, a little early. I got knocked down in the second round. I'm the I'm the champion at least give me a chance not wave the fight straight. Right. Right. You know, you seen you seen the Tyson? Like, you know, if that was the refugee even accounted him out straight away. That's what it stopped at the press conference in twelve round that right left DRP landed. The fact that Tyson got up and then won the remainder of the round is crazy. I'm so frustrated that fights not happening again, man. You know, I'm looking at the heavyweight scene, and I'm looking of your sleep. Joshua Josh well from England, and we had the opportunity to fight the auntie and didn't take it. I'm like if that was me, I would have took that chance because you never know what happens down the road likes what's happening now. And you know to to me is being put on the shelf. Now, he has to buck somebody that nobody really wants him to boxy fighting next baby baby mill big baby Miller, big baby milk. You know, big baby. Millet haven't seen too much of him. I don't know too much about him. But you know, he's talks a good fight a new annoy, wait wait over three hundred pounds at one time. Maybe and. Yeah. And you know, now, he's got an opportunity to fight the Joshua. So he's taken full advantage of it like he should. But you know, I don't see anything in history to show me that he can beat Joshua move beacon. He can he can bang though. Ican bang to bang. Jess Joshua's got feed. He's gonna move not gonna stay there and bang boxer. He's going to be a small boxer in this fight allegedly. We'll see right. I mean, never know. Yeah. I mean this. This is one of those things where I think this is where Anthony has got gotta be extra careful because Miller is going to train twice as hard. And if Joshua doesn't train like he's fighting the onta-, right? He's going to. He may take it for granted make a mistake, and you can do that on of the and it's nothing. It's nothing that he's done on purpose. It's it's like, it's a mental thing. Yeah. It's a mental thing when you find Mavrovic that guy wouldn't go home wouldn't go home. Gave me a lot of trouble. It was at that. It gave me a lot of trouble Lennox guy, rendering for twelve rounds. Like literally the guy's head snapping back on. This guy's not going on. Yeah. It was going nowhere. That is. That's got to be a weird feeling too. When you know, how hard you punch, and you see a guy just eating them. Like some people just are built weird. They just take shot. I learned that coming up. I learned that like, you know, some guys that a tough to the head a week to the body. Some guys tough to the body a week to the head and some guys just made on Iraq's. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like a ignorant bliss. They don't know they're supposed to feel pain. I don't know. I mean, I really think it's physiological thing. I think some guys can just take a shot. They just they just built better sometimes of being in fights were of gone in the man's hit me on the chin first couple minutes. And it's like it. Just glanced off my chin is like aided our eight punch, and it didn't hurt me. And it was like what happens to punch. It was so hard hit you on the chin. Everybody was saying, oh, did you see that punch? You never felt in like, no. And when I look at tape of it. It's like Wow, Did get it. Is it because what are there a bunch of factors? Like how much you got hit in training. How well you feel coming into the fight. Yeah. Where you're at in your career, and there's a lot of factors. Like, for instance. Let me give you a good. We can factor. If you have them bucks for two years, and all of a sudden you step into the ring, and it's a title fight, and you box, you the I could hit you get is gonna concussed you really. Because you you haven't been getting those hits for that two years. Now this man hit you with two years, and you're getting used to it. And you have you felt it and you've gotten over it you need to get over that hill. Is it a mental hill? It is a mental hill because even for me for me when I've been fought for well, you know, I called there until I get hit once I get hit that wakes everything. I'm like, yo this is not supposed to go like that. You're not supposed to hit me. I'm supposed to hit you. I get going. So the Hocine Rochman fight after it was over where you worry that you were going to get we're not going to get a rematch. Yes. I was very worried. In fact, we chased him to three courts around the world. And he didn't wanna fight me. And I you know, if I was in this position, I wouldn't wanna fight me. Because you know, I'm coming back for revenge. Plus, there's a big money fight out. They were Tyson brench. He so so happened to say after the no more Lewis Tyson. No more Lewis Tyson, and he actually left South Africa without visiting Mandela. Like, why are you go African visit Mandela I did he just wanted to get out of there. Yeah. Just belt. Seven million dollars. He got off Don King. So the fight got made again because after the third courtroom the judge says who signatures this. How seem said it was his you signed it. Yes. Well, you gotta give them the rematch. This is you signed to give him a rematch. So you have to get Marie Massow. He didn't want to hear that. So I was happy. So how long did it take two years two years? And then all that all those brawls in the remember the ESPN studio when him and Rachmat got into a fight. The table and everything. Yeah. Was wearing his big Steve Harvey suit. Let me tell you wasn't Steve Harvey too because I had this how the slippery shoes in the world. I I didn't come to the fight. Right. Like, you know, do press slippy shoes the worst. If anything goes down those leather shoulder. Oh my God on carpet. You know? I went. That's what you gotta learn jitsu. Now when you were in that time period. I don't remember did you have fights in between. Yeah. Yeah. How many did you have after rock? Oh, no. It didn't have no fights fights trained for Rochman. Just waited. So took two years two years that must've been so frustrating. It was it was because you never know if you're going to get the fight or not or you know, these guys are running from you. They signed to fight a rematch because you know, now, they didn't want to sign it. I remember when that right hand landed. I remember I was watching it at home, and I threw my arms up in the air. I was like oh shit. Yeah. Went to sleep. Sleep hammer was check this out, man. I mean for a long time coming you waiting for it. In oh for this this firearm and couldn't cut catch me because my speed was different in South Africa was a lot slower. Now, he got kind of frustrated because he couldn't get his bomb. Yup. Oh, man over the top of the shoulder. Joe cortez? Let them count still. Oh that was a phenomenal. That was probably one of the most satisfying one punch knockouts I've ever watched. Yeah. Because I knew you had gone through. And I knew like everybody knew you were one of the greatest of all time, and to have you get Kayode like that first of all it made it endeared people to in a way because it showed your vulnerability, but also your character and your ability to come back, which is not easy man when you get stopped like that like, psychologically, it's gotta be fucking with your head. Let me tell you the first time I lost. Everybody was coming up and shaking my hand and said, well, what are you going to do? Now. Like, what do you mean? What am I gonna do? Now, you're going to know when we're gonna go back and win my championship. Okay. You know, they didn't think it was going to be possible. But I'm thinking Mohammad-Ali gain the championship three times. Yeah. So only lost it once I can do it again. A special person to do it. And I can do it. Do you feel like there was like two stages of your career like pre annual student post? Yeah. Absolutely two sizes of them to then if you look at like he went from like a skinny skinny kid to a man like just giant fuck man out of nowhere. Yeah. The pre the premium news to was obviously, you know, me learning how to be a professional learning to fight pro. And then once I got to Emmanuel we just like, yo he said, hey, you a great fighter, you know, used to move around. We've got to bring that back. I'm like. Okay. Cool. So the movement he brought back. He taught me a couple cronk tricks. You know that check Hokkien different things that the Krung fighters do which works well. And you know, he was easy to understand. And what well elect about him. What he said I can do I could accomplish. He just told me what to do. I'll do it. Yeah. If he said, Len we need to win this and I'll win that round. Yeah. You had that kind of relationship. He was really one of the great masters. You other. There's there's certain masters when it comes to like boxing training like when you would hear him discuss fighters like a really loved hearing him do commentary as well. Yeah. Because he would discuss fighters and what they need to do. And he was always just dead on. He just new things. He understood boxing, so comprehensively. He just knew what a fighter needed to do that was so excited when he started working with you because it was like, well, that's that's exactly what Lennox needs. So is HBO because you know, is funny. Do fight on HBO, and they will say, oh, he's doing this. He's not doing this. He needs to do more. And he's a tow the job more than Emmanuel start working for me. And it's like, oh, he's doing the job. He's doing. Well. Like, oh, this is what you need you need a great coach in time, you going on TV that the commentators respect, and they'll talk good about the boxer. What if you're not a good train is like what do they need to talk about? If they took a lot of shit in boxing commentary. Oh, yeah. And they they let you know who side there. Yeah. They always, you know, you could talk about how how they're guiding your brain to watch the fight. Well, they also they talk a little shit. It's more like sports commentary like mixed martial arts commentary. I don't I don't do that. I don't really talk shit ever. I mean, I occasionally if something's agreed bad. I'll talk about the real issues here. But I try to I try to just a very quickly. Try to and both of them are. I try hard at that. Because I wasn't always had. I learned how to do it on the job. Nobody really knew how to do. There wasn't a lot of people doing it before. I started doing it. But sucks for you. Because you're funds with all the fighters. Yeah. It's hard. When you watch a friend of yours. Fuck up another friend of yours. Yeah. That's hard with about a friend of you as a student something wrong that needs to do something. Right. Do you tell them? Tell them privately most scene for me. I would like to I wish I was like I wish I could do that. But, you know, people want more truth out of me chime bringing lacrosse in software and not make it too harsh. I would bring I would say there's issues like I see something if I see like a vulnerability oh of discuss that. But if there's something that someone needs to work on our do I'll try to pull my side, you know. But most of them know, you know, just there, you know, like MMA fighters, I'm sure a lot like, boxers, there's different kinds of humans and some of them are just fucking wild. And those wild ones. A lot of times they never become champion. But they're the most exciting people to watch like like Mickey ward like making words fights with Terrell guy. There some of the greatest because they were the way they matched up some of the I would never want one of my friends to fight like that to lunatics rain. Oh my God. Man. Those fights were chaos though, everybody knew that those guys were they're never going to be Mayweather, the never going to be the best guys. But God damn they were fun to watch some crazy generations prior are Guay almost almost except. They went back and forth and back and forth. You know, who was it that had an arm injury in still box was Micky ward. Now, it wasn't that Bernard Hopkins when he fought Antoine echoes. He I might I might be wrong. You mean, a Blick a permanent like a broken arm? Someone got their arm broke in or pulled out. That was it was Antwan Eccles might have been against Hopkins or was against somebody. But somebody the guy picked him up and slammed him just located a shorter. And then the rent was like like, no, no, no any knock the guy with the left after. But. Got slammed and they stopped the fight. And then he came back and won the rematch. Remember that? Yes, I recall I recall them guy would knocking them out in the next round with his left hand. Only was that Hopkins. It might have been Hopkins. Eccles if you know, I'll tell you what one of the hardest fights for me to watch was Hopkins versus Joe Smith that was knocked out and fell out of the ropes and landed on his head. I was like man that is just first of all the fact that there was no padding on the ground. This is God this is Bernard Hopkins. It's one of the greatest of all time. And this is how this is set up, you know, and they don't use. They don't put it on the ground. They need to have something. They're like Noli apron know that. Able to put more people writing the ring anybody's comes flying out. No, that's how they do in Japan. I can pry they would have guys like waiting by the side of the ring to stop guys for phone around the ring because they would use rings, which I don't recommend for this. This pros and cons of the pro is that the cage the cage kind of like you can kinda hold a guy against you can't really hold a guy very well against against ropes here it is right here. So he I mean like he fell though like right on his head, man. I mean, I think that's concrete yet is he went through somebody helps you up the fight over. Yeah. You you're not you get disqualified the minute somebody helps you back into the ring. Oh, really? Yeah. You have to get up on your own and get back in on your own at that. Oh, interesting detail. Ruined the fight for him. If he was okay. Yeah. Well, if he was okay if he fell, and then someone helps them get back up the techno. That's interesting. Yeah. Somebody shouting don't touch him to get up by. Nobody knows if he's all right or not right, especially when you see him land nature to running help. But it's also he's fifty or fit in one. It was fifty one. Hey was not young in that. When you see a guy like him like how the fuck does a guy like that defied the odds and defy time. I mean, it's just a skill level experience. Experience. Intelligence Hopkins is an intelligent like, you know, you watch him Feis smart doesn't spend one day out of shape. Yeah. Clean up dozen party. Yeah. He still to this day. I follows Instagram. He's always training. He's always exercising. Still look slim. Still looks good. He's got true focus. Yeah. It's interesting that he became that way. Like in his estimate because of prison time, you know, going to prison term. Turned him into a disciplined man, like realizing like like, this is rock bottom. I fucked up I need to need to get my life in order, and did and you know, imagine the people out there that commit a crime spend three or four years in jail because some stupid crime they could spend that time training and being the world champion at something. Yeah. Anything we'll just just develop use that time to develop yourself develop your mind. You know, when when Hopkins was they were already writing him off when he fought Felix Trinidad remember that? Everybody thought Trinidad was going to run him over the shitty pulled in Puerto Rico. Oh flack impart flag. The stadium. Had to make that like six or seven foot jump. Yeah. To the ground, and he was going to break his legs. Larry, I forgot about that. That was crazy. They chase them out of the stadium. Yeah. I'm sure Tito had so much on his mind in that fight so much motions. And then that was the mental warfare that Bernard brought into that one for sure. But then also he was just too good. He was too good. I mean, he was just any too big. He hit too hard. Like Trinidad really was a lighter weight fight. And that it was mental eight. Yeah. Brown did the same thing. Almost got done to. Yeah. Exactly throw it down. Oh, man. That was crazy. Yeah. That was crazy. And you know, this was Bernard was like thirty six at the time. They're all swinging at them and shit jump into. He's trying to get out of there for real. If he just turned it would've stopped return what they would probably want. Oh, what am I doing chasing a tiger? Chase it tiger. And you catch it. You got a real fucking problem? You know, did you ever have any thoughts at all? Once you've finally retired. Like, maybe one more. Did you ever have any thoughts like that? Well, you know, a toll people like take a take my pajamas off for hundred mil so. The serious come with the baby show me the paper, but will always have to be against AJ. Maybe no Tyson. But when you had beaten Tyson, you'd be Tyson that was kind of at the end of his stage to right. Yeah. Wasn't the same guy. Like, I I looked at Tyson's history. You know, he's coming from the same history. I'm coming from, you know, and he spent some time in incarceration, while he was incarceration, I'm still out there fighting and training heart. He didn't have that in that. So when when he came out, it's like, you know, he's trained again, he's doing what he would what he knows not what he loves. He knows dusk was going to make him some money that's going to put food on the table. So it's like I look at old time fighters and say what made them stay in boxing, so long. That's the only thing they knew right? They didn't they're not gonna be no singer, or dancer, whatever they only know box. And this is where they get their money from. So they that's what that's what forces and back into the ring, especially especially all days, and that's why they were called price fighters because they wouldn't make enough money to to make a living unless you're like a huge jacker emcee or rare Robin Ray Robinson Robinson fought way way way passes again because they were making good money at the time. But not the money that they would have been making. If it was today. Well, there was I mean, you know, you had to go see it live, you know, like how much did you get paid for the radio? Who was then is it fight on the radio? Was it Jack Dempsey gene tiny that was the first million dollar gate. I think so one of those Ray ourselves that that I think and that what is a million dollars back then as that's a lot of money back. Then it was in the nineteen twenties. Right. Yeah. Say gene Tunney Jacksonian does gene. Tony. Yeah. When when Tyson was in jail, he must have been doing something because he came out jacked like, he looked good like he came out looking different than ever looked like six pack really built when he Peter mcnew. Neely? He was terrifying. But like physically he looked really good to like, you look better than he ever looked more ripped than ever say when he went, and he was a little chubby. Yeah. You know, what is it doing there? Yes. Nothing waits. Yeah. So dudes. That's why. How many dudes before it's enough? Always time. You're in there for. Yeah. That was him when he came out. He was shredded it was and it was so much more muscular. So he's probably probably couldn't do any sparring doubt. They had a heavy bag, but they probably had a weight room, you know, but you can fight you can find in prison twenty eight twenty nine there. It depends on what prison right. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm saying even fight fight. Fight people. Yeah. Yeah. You know, somebody would have tried to start some shit. I'm sure I'm shaping even you know. Yeah. Bet I bet he had to listen to a lot of shitty. Things regard. It's funny when I seen them be arrested taken from the courtroom, and they got they must have got the biggest guy they could ever get to go put handcuffs on him or something like that. Anyway, situation that yeah, I hope a lot of people stay away from. Yeah. When he went away. Did you feel like damn it? Like, I'm going to miss out on that fight that I want. Yes straightaway. And he's like, oh, no, I'm gonna have to wait and delay my retirement ho-. So you were waiting you're considering retirement, even before he was incarcerated. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. But then placing the bow fight both fight chicken. Bo, you know, you figured that chicken, Bo. So we're all them ridiculous book over dick euless. She can go tried to pick a fight me with that. They didn't really the other day. He did where out fight is in LA where they called all the great ones on Jerry Cooney me Forman Spinks was there. What was he doing? He wanted stand beside me and take a picture. I'm like, dude. You can't stand beside me goes down where I wanna stand. You're gonna have to move. So Jerry community kind of helped us out there while save them. Because he on a rough time the difference between a guy like you who gets out who speaks perfect and a guy like him. He's he's the the warning. You know, let's the warning to the young fighter. You know? You see the the older guy who, you know. I saw an interview with him. And it was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. It was horrible. Because I go back, and I think about those fights with Holyfield fucking crazy wars and saying, and you know, you see he paid that price. Man, he paid that price and you can hear it when he's talking now. It's rough. It's the good news is now we're on the other side of fighters coming out that punchy I think with all the rules, and changes that have been made what you won't you won't meet as many punchy guys as you met from back in the day. Like, you listen Cornell, you listen ridicules and Meljak Taylor us guys pronounce bad. Now, he's a little an predominant even got hit that it was the best. But I think for knows is probably more from. You know, cocaine makes you slurry were. I don't know man, you know, do enough shit in your life. He drinks drinks drinking. I got drunk with pronounced once. One of the things that they say with older fighters is an even older football players is they become addicted to alcohol because like they're searching for something to try to like recalibrate their brain. You know? I mean, there's a scientific explanation to it. That people talk about people with traumatic brain injury often become alcoholics, it's like, they're they're trying to get some sort of a dopamine. Russia could also you could also use the alcohol as justification as to why you're slowing your speech. Well, I know it dude who's MMA fighter who has he's he's punchy. He's had a bunch of shots. And this motherfucker will have one drink, and you can't understand a word saying it gets so hard so hard. It's like, it's it's confusing. It's like how how that drunk, and then you realize, oh, this is both things. It's both things. It's the brain damage and now call combined just the wheels come off the carry it's bad. Yeah. It's awful. But you you you've made it out perfect, man. You nail. So far so far so far years. We'll tell. Yeah. You worry about that. Not really like a try and keep my mind active. I play chess. How often you play chess every day. Really? Yeah. Do you play online? I play online. Yeah. Whoever whoever jumps in the battle. How good are you pretty? Yeah. Pretty good. The bully deeply you. He is. No, I. Because I go to his house, and he like you wanna play chess. I go, I don't know just play. Beat me. Anyway, let's get out of here. Move bringing somebody to complain. You study chess not as much as I should just play often. And you know, when you play offering there's, you know, people come out with the same moves, and it's like off seen this movie. I know what to do. Right. But you know, it depends. There's people that use the ponds to to to wage war user the nights or the bishops in combination. So it really depends on what type of player there. I'm you're right. I'm a bully player like claim he is the Joe Rogan of pool. Well, listen, I in my defense Lennox challenged me he wants to play. Oh, I was layer just people don't challenge anybody on their own table and exchange. Joe pool before the podcast and Joe fuckin- cleared the table before Lennox could get one shot up. Yeah. It was. It was good. It was that was the warm up one the second game too. So yeah, he doesn't game as well. I'm still warming up. We'll back. He's got he's got time deficit. That's a crazy game though on that table because table that's four inch pockets. That's that's my practice table a foreign Puckett. Hey, wait a minute. Well, putting it I have a regular table at home will not a regular tape. It's a diamonds got four and a half inch pockets. It's still a little tight normal. Like if you go to a pool hall, they'll give you a five inch pocket or five and a half inch got pool too much, fucking luck. It's I got up the abyss this table. You can't miss and it's it's thirty right now too. So it's it's even it's even like the cloth slow so balls don't drop unless they go right through this off his up Blas Blas. Yes. That's that's the best one. Yeah. It's the best. It's a great table. That's a nineteen seventy-two pool. Table basement forever. And my friend Danni sold it to me. Yeah. The guy just had it sitting in his basement. It's in perfect condition. It's basement find. Yeah. Man, that's a hard table glare. Glare, you know, somewhere in California. I love about the table. What? Guess what what you don't have to walk around and take the buckets of balls out of the. Yeah, that's annoying. Yeah. It's like fall retiring. They're all their boom. Yeah. Those those holes when? And I got those knowing, but you probably have a decorative pool table fails. The house. You've been invited. Anytime. He's been to my house when I was with my parents he'd never to my house as a as a solo, man. Now when you play chess. Are you like do you get ranked you like? What is your your your points? Go up. So I'm out of eleven seven seven thousand seven hundred right now. So what is that? Like, well, Rankin said like if you know if you're up to fourteen your master, Fisher, your closing in on being a master. Well, I wouldn't call me a master yet. But you know, obviously, if I get that I'm I'm trying to get as high as poss-, but if someone talks shit, and they're like Lennox. I wanna please some not pull some chess. You'd be like. Oh, okay. Yeah straightaway. What's the most mentally intensive games? It's probably one reason. Why you stay so sharp? I would imagine. Yeah. There's a time restriction ten minutes till you played that that we hit the slap the clock on ten minutes for a move or ten minutes with the whole game for the whole game. Dane well on the on the fast game on the computer. Once you've made that move the time goes over resets. So it's good. Now. Do you ever go to Washington square park and play those dudes done, really? Yeah. That was that was fun. They talk a lot of shit. Oh, yeah. They're good to their good. The guy was playing was talking a lot of ship. Yeah. Yeah. Did you beat them? Wow. What did you have to ask that question? It was just fun playing him. Well, he's going to be a winner. All the time. Those guys are masters. Good. Well, I mean, that's all they wanna do when you get really good at chess, and I'm not really gonna chest. But I have friends that are they explained like it becomes your whole life. Like you start thinking like as you walk in on the street. You're thinking about chess just it becomes a thing where it's just everything. It's all it's. So it's such an intense game. I play like these four games day. Wow. On-line tam. Yeah. But your online name. Yes. I do real name. Right. I'm gonna get it right now. It's oh. I made this name long time ago. Washington square part of that playing some masters at MC supernatural. Those those dudes love that game. No, man. I mean, there's those guys who were there. If you go there, they'll be there every day they fucking live for it. You know, it's. You know, it's. It's one of those really admire. I really admire people that get get really really good at chess. Trying to two thousand inter two thousand what does that mean? Does will it was supposed to be into poll in two thousand? It's like the name into poll. It sounds official when when people playing plans into whole I think this is the government I'm playing right? SEI? So if you're out there, and you plan enter two thousand you're playing Lennox motherfucking Lewis. Yeah. I was gonna put my real name. But yeah, I don't want everybody to try and beat the champ. Well, now, they're gonna tell us retired. Ryan, though, let it be known that Lennox Lewis is one of those walks around with no case on his iphone to and it smashed smashed if I tell you what happens when. I was doing something in all of a sudden, you know, my wife said do this, and I went and flew out of your hand. But you have the biggest hands of any human being. I know. And and there's no there's no phone that's gonna be big enough as you carry an ipad. We let me tell you. I don't know who makes these iphones, but they may contest leap out of your hands. They do they really do like put something on that. That's grips have a case. That's the first thing. I did was put a case on. And then I forgot what to do if the take off the charge it up or something. Yes. I'm not wrong case, you have the wrong case case, we'll ever sold your cases an asshole, I guess doesn't have a thing. We could just stick a hole in it. Never run case. Look at these guys. They're all challenging me. Are they now? The game right now. They're gonna come after you now. Now, they find out they can play. I like doing it while we're doing the podcast life. Look he's gonna get obsessed. The wheels are spinning the competitive drive. Let me tell you my wife's gives me problems on this. He says, you know, he's playing chess. They women don't understand you playing chess and focusing I'm trying to tell her listen a month to the score point don't interrupt because affects my score. But I need you. Now, I need to do we need to do this just five minutes. Please five minutes. You know, she, but she's gotten better she's actually playing chess. So eventually, yeah, that's good. I think because I got mad a couple of times probably. Big bully with his wife, Chesapeake other than Lennox. Now. I can't play chess. I I can't either maybe you, and I play together, we should really learn the gap together. Joan on video this game have been flooded discussed. What you could coach the game. This is the first time. I was I was I would ever see a chess game tune into checkers. Oh, man. Like, I said, we're fighting how how do you play this game against how road all this coming from a man doesn't really know how to play pool? Oh, trots fired. You're right. You're right. I play billiards billiards, Puckett billions. Yes. You ever played three cushion billiards. You know, what that is one two three and getting the whole of the nose holes. Is that the the bumpers? Yeah. Well, the whole tape also taught Russian Russian, isn't it. No. But I mean, Russia's play it. It's a big it's real big in South America. Real big in Mexico. It's real big in parts of Europe real big in Asia. Yeah. So different game. There's two two different colored balls and like two white balls and a red ball or two red balls and a white ball. And you gotta or sometimes it's a yellow ball red ball and white ball in the ideas, you make contact with one ball, and then you have to hit three cushions and they may contact with the second ball. Well, it's very complicated. And is it good to watch? It's well if you know how to play it. It's good to watch. But if you don't know how to play it's to think about what I like about pools. I like when the balls disappear like you make a ball goes away goes in that whole by bitch. So you think the ball it's like it's got a finality to it. It feels good. But with that it just clicks. It's just ding ding. Ding click, but the people love it love it. It's a very intellectual game because it's all about geometry. It's all angles and spin. Not good at that. Either. It's it's tricky. It's a tricky game. I'm not good at it. I know it a little bit. We're about table tennis. I can't play that. We'll tense. I am coordination. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. One thing. I learned that you can't do too many things it will fuck you up. Like, I've a real problem with quake quake is on video game. Jamie's been fucked me up lately quake. Yeah, we played. We've got a computer room set up in the back. It gets tense. Yeah. We'll just quite what is this quake? What is the three d game where it's a computer game? You have all these weapons run around picking up weapons, and you're you're on a map. So it's just like every map is different. But you do this in real life too. I don't know why you're playing on. They're hunting in the forest. It's different. I'm looking for meat. That's a different kind of me hunting for elk mostly Elkin gear. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you do you cut it up same spot? Well, you butcher it. You you quarter it up while it's there so you can carry it out. But you don't really like you want to protect the meat. So you really want to get it out of the woods. I and cooled off. That's gonna do. Do you do with all the leftover leftover like leftover limbs? Leave him. I leave the bones. You don't you? Don't bury the animals will eat them. Okay. If you leave the bones behind the nothing goes to waste in the forest. I mean few shoot an animal in the forest and leave the bones behind something's gonna eat it. If they don't eat they'll eat most of it. You know, they they find it bears will find it. The ecosystem will take care of everything rats, everything they'll everything will take care of it. Now, how do you children feel about you doing those things? So this Hallam. Listen to Vegas. Eat meat way. You're a vegan. Yeah. Yeah. That my kids have used to it because I've been hunting since they were little so they've eaten bear and deer elk you cook. Yeah. All the time cased. Here's a question for good. Do you wash your meet the wash it? Shipmates d like my dick is. No. This is funny. A lot of people take it that way, you talk when you cook can like you taken the meat from the butchers. You don't know where it's been right? What kind of say rents the chicken, or whatever you rinse or put some vinegar over into like that. So that's what I mean by wash. Well, when you cooking it you're cooking outside anything that might be bacteria is going to get killed. The real issue is when you have an animal that has parasites that's the issue. So if you're like cooking, a deer, you don't have to worry about that. Because deers are of wars urban avoids don't really have parasites, but you can when they can get some this some worms that they do get. But most of the time some pork isn't. No, that's pork. Definitely can deport. You get trick analysis. That's pretty serious. That's pretty serious shit. And I do me some pork though. You heard me the devils beast Lennox. Is why and bridges wine? You don't eat the pork. No. He's still be arrested. Kendrick those right. Mill chicken jerk chicken all day, love jaw jerk chicken. It's hard oxtail outside. Find a real good Jamaican restaurant. Is there one in LA? None that I've found I've been your thirteen years, and I can't find it. No. They have good jerk chicken swingers. You know that that oh the camera d'or Beverly Beverly? Yeah. Check it again. Doc. Maybe you're just you're standards or higher because you're actually to make it right? But for me, it's tasty. Have you been to Jamaica? No, you need to go. Do I okay? I think they're very important to go to Jamaica. Because everybody always tells you different stories and stuff, but it's a paradise over there is it. Yeah. What do you like most about it? That you can see different colors, you know, 'cause I spent a long long time in London. And when I left London's go to Jamaica is like, wow, all these different vibrant colors, even in the water inlets and the trees, you know, when you're driving around London this gray, gray. Yeah. In different cities. They're gray. So I like I like contacts with contact with plants vibrant energy. Yeah. You know, the interesting thing, you know, a lot of people do forget that you were from England. Right. And that there was a stigma with English boxers for a long time. And you you broke that you were the man that because because I heard that was oh British boxers of horizontal yes. Well, they were more vertical. They would stand straight up, and they would have like that European style. But it was like Henry Cooper remember on Henry Cooper drop. Mohammed Ali, and then they cheated recovers gloves gloves. But I mean, he was sort of one of the last great English, boxers. Before you came along. And then for a long time. There was guys that were pretty good like Frank Bruno pretty good. But then they would get in there with guys like Tyson. They would always wind up losing. So everybody had these like, this is our guy. This is the one in Frank Bruno damned it he looked apart. Was there ever a man more jacked as a heavyweight boxing fan on Christ? It was a Goliath. He was carved granite. Nah. I mean, nobody is. There's never been a better built boxer. What you'd look at Frank Bruno, and you go how does he not kill everybody? He's so big let me tell you. You should see Frank Bruno now has still chisel really really phenomenal genetics must be phenomenal genetics even at the age sixty five. Wow, remember back. They we think Vander same thing. Yeah. Well, Vander, you know, people forget it started out as cruiserweight. He was a much smaller guy heavyweight really was he in the boxing any win the oh zone light heavyweight title from Dwight Muhammad now that was no those cruising. Yeah. Was a hell of a fight. That was a hell fight. That was his big fight like to to prove himself as a professional because Kali was tricky five seven two hundred pounds. It was weird fighter man. That was the American Olympic trials. Right. Well, no. Title fight that was that was for the cruiserweight title. Eddie davis. No, let me tell you. He had logged Frank Bruno's seem with his shirt off his still cut, but you could tell. Yeah. Skinny ass legs one leg kick. He's got a problem. Damn though. He does very good. I one time he had big legs. Yes. Maybe when I go to see Frank Bruno back when he was in his prime as a boxer who was drunk Antic, man. He was a sculpted as a boxer ever gets. He really he really wanted to not even a good picture now. It's done one of the best. Yeah. He was so jacked. Yeah. Colleague was a creed. The Camden buzzsaw he was such a crazy fight because he would pull his shorts up to laugh here. Right. And he was five backed down. It was super wide. And it would fight with that Philly shell and come in real low. You know, he was a very Archie almost very difficult to deal with those those anymore. No, no now when you watch boxing today who really stands out to you. You know, all the champions right now, they they didn't get to be champions for no reason. Yeah. And, you know, each each one of them have different qualities, you know, even Willis look at the heavyweights all the heavyweights the top three heavyweights right now. They're all over six feet five. Yeah. And they all have different style. Which is good. Because you know, reminds me of when me and the Holyfield and Tyson around we all had different styles, which makes great fights. Now, it's to guess, which thous gonna beat which style. You never know because they're all similar, you know, they're all all three of them have knockout attention, and you know, they're boxing to win. So what we wanna see we wanna see who would win outta them Deontay wilder to me is the most perplexing because he hit so hard. It's it's almost like he's got magic in his hands. He makes guys fly across the ring. But he's only nine pounds, and he does it off balance. Yeah. And he does it with legs in the air as the Olympic. Team and wanna go a bronze medal a year and a half into boxing. Oh, yeah. My problem with the new new division is that they don't have the amateur pedigree. But maybe. Teases great. But our is much older than he says he is is he say he is forty something like forty or forty one. How old is he? I'm hearing stories at Ortiz like forty nine. How do you know somebody told me about from the amateurs I remember seeing him in the amateurs in the eighties. And then like what they would say that about Cubans though, because they say that same shit about your American. He says it's thirty nine he just fought on the weekend or two weeks ago a couple of weeks ago in one stop it. Right. No. It was a decision was it for wasn't thought. It was a late round stoppage unless he just fought again, he just bought like last weekend to fight like two months ago to no, no, no that was a stoppage and this fi just happened. So he's very he's being very active. Yeah, he's trying to come back. What do you think about that? Like, how active boxer should be? What we're really comes down to. You know, this is goes if you're starting boxing, obviously, you want to have as many fights as possible to, you know, seasoning get that experience level. So as much as possible, it's usually four fights a year, and then as you get better jobs to three fights. And then when you're the champion that drops the two fights. So that's that's the progression of of fighting. You can't like for instance, how many fights did the anti have this year. Maybe two right, right? You know before when he was starting out. He would have like three to four. Yeah. He's very angry that there's rematch is not happening. And I had with him. It was Tyson pulled out Tyson. Gotta deal with the SPN. Yeah. Yeah. Well. And it's a it's a big deal because you know, talking about chestnuts. I think he's pulled off the greatest chess match move. There is. I he comes over from England. He wouldn't he takes the challenge with the Joshua. Didn't. He boxed had a great fight. Now. He's put himself right up with all all three of them on the same line to me. And then now for the rematch they want people want to see the entree, and they wanted to see Tyson fury again because the first fight was exciting. Joshua. Who's he fighting? You know, he's gonna fight big baby. Nobody knows him. Right. Everybody knows the on tape. Boxing fans, though, everybody knows Tyson everybody, and especially after that fight because it was such a spectacular fight fat Namik town. Oh my God. The first knockdown was great. The second knockdown was preposterous for the fact that he rose like Lazarus. I mean, it was crazy and then won the rest of the rare on me gets tagged a few times and starts boxing. And then even tag Deontay. I still had them winning that fight. It was close Tyson. I think. By around. I think boxing one that night every. Yeah. Both guys looked great and boxed well and made it exciting fight that the rematch of your sleep. Everybody wants to see the renewal again. So when the rematch happened that that put Anthony Joshua on the shelf. Yeah. In my is now is put him on the shelf a bit longer. Yeah. With this ESPN deal, and you know, Tyson fear is boxing in front of the public. Yeah. Anthony, Joshua and Deontay their pay per view. Right. Well, who are they gonna fight pay per view? Nobody wants to see no silly fight. They want us to fight. You know, it's it's a great move by Tyson fury. It's a great movie. The first fight the fight ended in a draw. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So in the draw Deontay keeps the title, but it least Tyson walks away like saying like look I won the decision. I feel like I should have won the decision. There's a dispute there's a debate about it. But everybody wants to see that fight. I mean a drowsy reasonable, but kaizen could lose somebody. Yeah. You know, while the mucking around saying or fight this all next year. Somebody might lose this happens. Now, none of them can fight each other. Because if Joshua fights fury and loses too feary Joshua's star goes down. If sure fights Deontay and beats Deontay, the Tyson Deontay fights, not that exciting Joshua wants real respect. He's got to fight either fury or Deontay fights. Those are the big obviously gets respect. He's a heavyweight champion the world. But split, you know, that's a weird thing to I'd like to see Joshua Ortiz. I've been interesting fight. It would be an interesting because Ortiz box and hit. That was what showed how goddamn powerful Deontay. Is that Ortiz was winning that fight? Yeah. And I think it was the tenth round the seventh or tenth. I don't remember. But I remember when he caught him was like God that guy even late in the fight. There carries power Ortiz past his prime. Let's listen down there Lewis. Prime is a good fighter. But you know, give him give give him like ten years. Yeah. And he would he would have beat these guys. He would have given them a good good fight. But right now, he's you know, he's obviously older, and he's an old fighter. Yeah. Well, they kind of doing some steroids a lot of times guys get older, they try to get you need it juice up the old body. Yeah. So when you reach that point where you need steroids, mentally affects you know, you go into the ring. And he's like, you know, you're missing something something that was there in the past. And it made me feel good now. I'm I don't feel as good, right? When you were fighting did anybody that you were finding did you suspect that they were on something? Yeah. Oh couple times. Yeah. But the good thing is that I know is I realized there are steroids can never get this a strong your chin chin. Yeah. So you can take as much as you want. But I'm gonna hitting you on the chin, right? You can't. Muscles on your face. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, these body punches you can't you can't protect around here. So they'll affect you as well. So that's where you you know, when when you hitting when you hit and guys around here body punches, and you hit him on the chin doesn't doesn't matter. But don't you think that it does makes them stronger physically gives them more vitality might make them able to absorb more punishment for a minute from minute just for a little bit. Yeah. For a little bit. Who'd you suspect was on something when you find them. I don't want to say you don't wanna let me say go ahead. Commander. I event it was the first guy as far as I'm concerned was the first guy. The fuck Incisa that guy in the in the late nineties, especially when he Lennox have you ever asked him if he's been on steroids? Now, I've never actually hung out with Vander. Okay. Might have might your victory party. He's he did hanging around with the guys that were like into it, then remark whatever his name was is. He was the first guy to have a strength and conditioning coach, and well and all that kind of stuff Spinks did when he fought when you fought Larry Holmes. He same guy Mackie Shilstone. Yeah. Mackie Shilstone got him and shape for Larry. When he was coming up from light heavyweight. Yeah. That's the same guy that Vander used and doing it was really interesting because at the time the conventional wisdom was a boxer should not lift weights and Avandia was lifting all kinds of weights or any put on all this muscle. But really it was only about two hundred two hundred and five pounds when he first thought traps. Oh, yeah. Jesus christ. It was built it was built. It was perfect body. Yeah. That's that's not steroids, steroids, buddy, necessarily you. You definitely can get that big without it. I mean, there are the words alleged alleged good word, but it's also possible to get that big with steroids. But it's not just steroids to its EP. Oh, there's a look at that one up there. Yeah. But this is in the eighties nineties this. The good stuff wasn't available back. Then wasn't. Oh, yeah. What are you kidding me? Man. Those Russians had everything back. Then man. I mean, the eastern bloc women they made world records. That was when he was a that was when he was a cruiserweight look any was. Yeah. But you can call them women if the most famous as fake fears and fat Dick's they were there. They set records that still to this day haven't been broken. Well, and because they really were not women. I mean, there were women with massive amounts of male hormones and their body flow. Joe? Yeah. Yeah. She's a thinks still sets the record right now for what whatever it was. And. She was also someone that was accused of doing things. Yeah. I mean, look track and field, according to Victor Kante who was the belco guy. I had him on my podcast. He was the guy that got the clear to Barry Bonds and all those guys undetected, supposedly undetectable steroids. He said track and field is just a dirty sport. Just like toward the France. Like, just like cycling like this dirty sport. You got trying to call out Hussein bolt. Now, right. What are you showing us James says the top one hundred meter times on the names crossed out? Oh, wow. Steroids. God damn well, that's like when Lance Armstrong won the tour de France. And they took his title way. If you had to give that title to someone who didn't test positive for anything you had to go back to eighteenth place while. Attorney sport, you know, Bill bursts at best. He's like ios are psycho was better than your psycho. You were all dirty. There's a dirty sport. He was just better at doing that sport while being dirty if everybody's dirty then it's fair. Well, he he won while everybody was cheating. And I mean, did he have? So is it still cheating? If everybody's doing it. It is. And it is. And I mean, it is definitely cheating, but everybody's cheating. Yes. Weird. It's not good. See, you know, they went off to the wrong thing. You know, people are looking for drugs to help them get stronger when it's natural food that makes you stronger, that's what you put into your system. So, you know, I know Jamaican food is great, you know, yams plantains everything believe bullied beef. You know, what's better than that? Let's steroids way better. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They work instantly much better. If you just stay on them like guys like, Lance Armstrong. I mean, they proved it when you almost can't do toward the France the way they were doing it without some sort of chemical help. Then I I've heard it argued physiologists they say it's actually better for your body to be on steroids, while you're doing something sort of France because you give your body a chance to recover because they're doing so much work over the course of this race that without having some sort of chemical enhancement of your ability to recover you. You just not going to be able to do it helps your body can't do down. You get that wrapped. Oh, my low ses that those cross fit people get, you know, that's when your body starts breaking down muscle tissue, and it becomes toxic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Pollutes you that they they work out so hard that people have died of it fighters have died from wrapped on my losses. It's it's from overtraining you over train, you know, like, some, you know, which is a big issue with fighters, right? Like. Some fighters can train too much and a good trainer knows how to pull you back. And so that you're peaking when you get into the ring. But sometimes people are so mentally strong. They push themselves through even when they're exhausted because I think that's the way to victory hard work. What's up shaming? Yeah. You're pissed comes out. Looking like coke comes out looking like Coca-Cola. That's what rubbed on Lewis is pissed exciting. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's that's a sign. Your body's breaking down. Your muscle is your your proteins and your body breaking down and your body's getting poisoned by it people die a lot of cross fit. People get it. What does your kidneys? What are you doing this situation? Do you take a rest, a leave of absence or do you go see the doctor, and they can give you some pills to put more things that you need in your system. I think you have to go to the doctor almost immediately. I think they have to do pretty much goes septic on your. Yeah. It's very dangerous and a lot of these Crawford people, you know, because it's a competition. And you competing. It's all these other people doing these massive repetitions and some of them are not really conditioned for it yet. So their bodies just the muscles not really acclimated to this kind of workload. And it's shit starts breaking down. Well, what do you do these days like exercise because you still look great? Yeah. I ran ten miles this morning. Well, man. Where'd you? Go. I mean, I went on the road. But would you run on the beach? Oh, okay. Woke up and took a shower. Nice. So you see that? Yeah. I don't know you anywhere else. Iran. You guys don't even catch the joke. I ran ten miles and I woke up and took a shower. Being. Supposed to know that. But listen, listen. All right. It's bad. I tell them tell them, you know, he's to dealership to me begging day. I'd be at his house. And I and I was like I'm in his basement ago it start to rain ago, lend I gotta go outside and close my son roof, and he's like no hold on a second story. I go let me just close. My fucking. Hold on. Let me just tell you story. I'm like, dude. It's raining. My son is open. You're gonna pay my fucking car to get fixed. Like, hold on know, there's this guy, right? Buck and long story and goes he's trying to get out his window. And and I'm pulling his leg in pulling his leg. And I go just the way I'm pulling your leg right now. Did you ever do yoga? Yes. You guys. Get into yoga actually, hurt myself doing yoga, really I'm much harder than Alex inflexible. Like if I stand up a and both my hands on the ground like that. Wow. With my legs straight. But somebody told me, oh, you know, what you got to move your bum. Cheeks a little back and the helps you get down a little more on my okay? Takes a little back and hopping. After a couple of days. It's like walking around fan. I hurt myself and it goes yoga. Yeah. So yeah, I haven't myself like I didn't know you can hurt yourself in yoga. You can hurt yourself in yoga. Yeah. My doctor told me a lot of people come to him with injuries back injuries from yoga what does that mentally saying that you can do it? When your body's saying you can't. Or just doing something wrong just doing something wrong. And especially if you do it too hard to quick like yoga's like anything else. I mean, it's exercise you you definitely can hurt yourself. Do you do the hot yoga or cold yoga? I haven't tried the hot one. I want to do do cO you'll I like hot because I feel. I think it's also torturous I like that aspect of it. And also, they there's a Harvard study that's going on right now or they're trying to find out if there's the same benefits that you get from the sauna you get from doing hot yoga when your body gets really overheated like that produces heat shock proteins. And it alleviates a lot of inflammation in the body. Wow. That's why the sauna so good for you. Because you're on. Yeah. Try sonnet your body. You get in there your body's like what the fuck is this. And so it produces these cytokines. He's he shocked proteins, and it's fantastic for people just for hands. Don't want him in the sauna. You should get one in your house. Man. I got one I got. Nice, right. Yeah. Damon to should be in there every especially because you're doing jitsu. Now, you know after training fantastic for you. With Epsom salt. That's good too. That's good too. I don't think that works Epsom salt makes it makes you feel good in the bed. Yeah. Come less relaxed. I go to sleep, you know, aromatherapy type of thing it, smells, good. But it's not that. It's there's magnesium minute. No Epsom salts your body absorb magnesium through your through your skin. It's one of the best ways for your body to get me magnesium is actually through Epsom salts. Yeah. Take more than. Yeah. I have a float tack ever do flow tank. Is that the cold water one? No, no, no. That's it's a tank of water that's heated to ninety four degrees, which is like the surface of your skin, and there's a thousand pounds of Epsom salts in there, and you lay in it. And you float you like like your body half your body's above the water. And then you close the door total silence. Total darkness it feels like you're flying through space. It's beautiful. You would love it. Because 'specially being about this one for years right here. I know anytime you want, but isn't kind of gross somebody else's. No, no. There's first of all. It's only me. I'm the only one, and I know. This this massive filtration system. It's like this commercial filtrations just drop in about jumps. Just text me. I'll have Jeff combined open it up for you. Or do it while we're doing a show when you do it? Yeah. Yeah. You got to be naked. Don't come afterwards. They'll be scared everything flowed. So anything that's in the before. Adding. Yeah. Show you the whole system, and there's a ozone system that purifies the water goes through this commercial filtration system. It's heavy duty stuff, man. It's pretty intense because they started these flotation tank centers. Now, they're everywhere. Yeah. They're talking about this for the past ten years more. Yeah. I had one to two thousand and two. I remember you when I went to your house back in the day when you were doing this podcast out of the house had one in the basement. Yeah. Yeah. What about the ice one? Oh, that's great. Yeah. Cryotherapy this. There's a place down the street from here about couple of miles away two hundred and fifty degrees below zero. I thought you would have had one of those two. No, that's like you have to get like, nitrogen, tanks, and shed. And I I worry about that stuff exploding, you know, some shit going wrong, and you get maimed, you know. So do you do enjoy doing commentary too? Yeah. I love I love giving my opinion, you know, people say I've got on. Unusual. Opinions. They've never heard that before I never heard it put that way. So I can give you from a Ford fighters point of view have been in boxing for so long different experiences have gone through. So I'm happy to share them, but you don't ever work out, boxing wise anymore. Yeah. Debate you hit a bag my son's fifteen and I know he he wants to balk. So any time we get a chance, you know? I'm always training him. How big is he now six feet Jesus. Yeah. It's told her the new Tyson son Tyson son is sixteen McGowan Tyson son was saying that he wants a box to Tyson's like lists and no Miguel bills like that. But he's also saying listen, you grew up soft, and the he's saying like, you don't want to meet someone like me, you know, like the way he was. You wanna meet some animal like me, you know, like when he was fighting like he like he thinks what he would have done to his own son. Learn don't do that. He was talking about it on the podcast and his son Miguel's, oh really talented kit like musician play like, seven different instruments Spanish. Oh, the kids really, really smart. Nice kid. Well, Tyson's a smart guy. He's not like he I think people mistake tied some dummy. He's just very very intelligent. Well, read the boxing is in at least, some levels of very, very intellectual pursuit. There's you have to have a strong mind to be able to dodge those punches get in and get yours in that you have to you have to be able to sort out that problem is a problem in front of you. The problem is another man who's the same way as you the same size as you. He's got gloves on just like you do and he's trying to do what you're trying to do to him. And you have to do that within seconds. Yeah. Boom. Yeah. Punches thrown at you. What do you do? What's what's the rebuttal? If people don't understand they think just because someone doesn't have the best vocabulary or because they don't have a comprehensive education that they're not intelligent. And that's a big mistake. No intelligent. I remember going to the Catskills. When I was a won the world junior championships. In Santo Domingo Dominican Republic. And I remembered that American team was saying, oh, well, you never fought the best buy the best. I thought Americans said the best team. Yeah. But one guy he doesn't like taking planes and his magic don't take planes either something like who's that? And he told me it was Mike Tyson customer model. So me and my trainer we left Canada. And we drove all the way up there. And while we were up there razor Ruddick was up there. And they said oh, raise really came to inspire with us to. Okay, I'll start with you. I'm here for four days. So first time Tyson actually met me, you know, he was nice guy. Really nice guy took me in his room showed me some old flicks never seen before of old time fighters would tell me about each fighter like he studied them. And then, you know, this is where he got his old star is his style of fighting from and. First day in the first thing the Jim bell went he came across. And he was trying to kill me. Like, you know, I did my Mohammad-Ali thing obviously stayed away from his power. But the first day was really hectic. And then the second day was lactic and got better as it went too long in the last day is I got actually the better of him the last day. And I remember customers and Mike you're gonna meet him someday. Don't you do that? And that always echoed in my mind that will we ever fight. Will we have a fight because cost the model said that we're gonna fight one did happen, and there's footage of it. Yeah. Lennox has the footage of it. Footage of the trains, barring how old was Tyson at the time Tyson was like a us about fifty to know how old was he at the time. Fifteen he was he was younger than me. I was on Sunday. He's about seventeen why house eighteen he was younger than that. That must have been was eighty four before the Empire State games. And everything could you were you went up there before you went to the eighty four Olympics. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it must have been crazy though, knowing that, you know, you you guys are going to be a part of boxing history, and knowing that all the way back then being teenager and standing here in customer scream that out. That must've been intense. It was intense because customer wasn't that loud. When he was winning all of a sudden, he became loud. And it's like everybody listened, you know, and then you know, there's certain ways that you get across the people and some some people take the after shot at them. Did you ever wish that you fought him in his prime innocence? I did fight him in his prime. And you know, when you say prime, I was in my prime too. You know? You're definitely in your prime. You were. But I feel like his enthusiasm had waned before. Then, you know. You know, this is my perception how I look at that whole thing is Mike Tyson was an early bloomer. I was late bloomer. So, you know, when when both of us meet, you know, there's never a perfect time. Perfect time for us is when we meet in the middle, right? Right. Right. And you know, Brian if he wanted maybe people would look at it differently because you beat him and beat him so soundly, right? That people look at it like, maybe his time it already been gone. Yeah. Lennox turn pro after Mike and handed defeat while no claims turned prone eighty nine. Wow. I never even thought of that. And Mike lost in January. This this is also in up cats. You could Kevin Rooney. Wow. That is crazy, man. God that's crazy built back then to you have big neck. Yeah. He will. He was always doing those neck bridges, but he also had freak genetics and mean just phenomenal genetic specimen, you know, I had teddy atlas in here and teddy. Atlas used to take Mike to the smokers when he was thirteen and Ted. He was joking around about it said everybody always lied about old people were they would tell you the kid was sixteen and really was twenty. They always did that. And he said he goes, so how old is Katie goes thirteen. He goes, what does he weigh goes one hundred ninety pounds? What the fuck teddy come on. He's like, I'm telling you, he's he's fucking thirteen. What do you want? So, you know, nobody would believe it because he was such a specimen. I watched that one. Teddy was great, man. Do you think he should have stayed with teddy stay with Kevin antennae? Well, he definitely how you know. He was so wild like how how could you tell him what to do back? Then that was part of the problem. I mean, he was never no one ever prepared him. And there's one of the things that we discussed on the podcast was that. He was a twelve year old thirteen year old boy, and he was getting hypnotized. He came from a terrible background. It was there was no love he was abandoned. And all of a sudden, he's getting love and attention for something. And this one thing was this man who was telling him, you're going to be a great fighter. You're going to be a world champion, and he would hypnotize me saying you don't exist the task exists. You know, you're going to work the body and destroy this, man. And he he would put these thoughts in his head and Mike couldn't wait to just get out there. Fuck people up because that's where he got the love as we got the attention from. But he never never told them. How to shut it off? He never. I mean, he didn't have time to work with them. Because he was he was on his way out. He was dying when he met, Mike. And so he only taught him how to destroy. He never taught him how to cope never taught him. How to understand that? There's going to be a lot of shit coming your way. And you gotta know what that is. And don't get caught up in that hype train. Don't just don't get wrapped up in Hollywood. And you know, he wound up marrying Robin givens, and you know, on cuss foresaw. All that other bullshit. No, how could he have no cost was around? Mike would be totally different. He would have been a different man if cuss lasted another fifteen years, even if Jimmy Jacobs had lasted another five years. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe they would have helped. But I mean, it's like once you once removed from cuss it's like Kevin Rooney was once removed from custom right? And then teddy atlas was way more of a hard liner. You know teddy. Atlas you couldn't put any bullshit with you know, and like those other guys just got to go got to Aaron snow'll and all those guys rich and Keti they just they just didn't they didn't. They could never brought Mike to the dance. Right. They got there when he was already. The dance and they're just trying to like maintain things. And he's not listening to anybody, Mike. They also weren't boxing people as far as I was concerned when he was up with 'cause he was he was in a good situation. You know, there was a lady in the house cooking meals. They had custody of being a father figure talked to him every day. And that's what young kids need. They need that you know, to be spoken with by older people. Yeah. And a lot of young people nowadays and not even respecting the older people, but they can gain a lot of information from an older person. You know, how do you deal with this situation? Yeah. You know, you hear from an older person, it kind of makes your mind thinking, and, you know, you're right. It works for him. So anytime, I get a chance to talk to kids about, you know, their life, and where they're going or is take that opportunity. Well, years such a great example of a guy who has done incredible things, but you've come out on the other end with with wisdom and lessons and honesty, and you can talk about things and people will listen to you. In a way that you know, a lot of kids. They don't want to listen to someone done shit right to talk to some guys some boring dude, he wants to give you advise like, hey, fuck face. Get your shit together. Tell me what to do. But when you're Lennox Lewis, you talked to go. Okay. Miss chessmaster world heavyweight champion. You got Jamaica. Now, you got a boxing school there now. Yeah. Lennox Lewis league of champions. Oh, yeah. It's for young kids that, you know, learning how the bucks teach. We teach them on the box will teach them life skills as well. Because what we realized that, you know, a lot of the kids just wanna talk. You know, there's nobody around them to talk. Nobody listens to them. Yeah. And when they hear other kids stories, they feel a lot better. It's like yo-, you know, I was going through that. And I like how he dealt with it. You know? It's like, yes. This is what what's missing nowadays. Yes. The relationship with kids, you know, talking to them, you know, has them out. They are. Yes, they're doing whether they want to be right. Right. Right. Yeah. And then have someplace where they can go in and have something that gives them a sense of value. You know? And that's what a lot of sports does do to children gives you you. You realize if you work hard, and you try something and you study it and you get better at it. You feel good like you accomplished? It you got through whatever the sport is a lot of a lot of the kids. Come boxing. I've never tried it before. But once they try it. It's like, wow. They learn new things about themselves even the training of boxing. Yeah. You know, the fact of let's run a mile they never ending their life. Now, the run half a mile didn't make the mile. But the next the next day. They wanna try the mile, and he just shows them that if you keep working something you'll accomplish it. You know, don't give up don't over southern you try to in this Han on it's not for me keep trying you don't know. It's not for you. And to keep trying and then realize it's not for your for you. What are you gonna do if you're someone to fight let him? Yeah. I think your perspective would be very different than Mike's from for me. You know, I'm not forcing my son to box. But if he wants to try let him trays father used to book. So why not not try something? His father. Did maybe has the gene for it. Yeah. You know right now. My my sons play plays basketball. He wants to be an actor. He loves box. And they can do anything. He wants. You know, all my kids are talented. I see the drive in them that I have and their mother has. So I know that they're going to be successful. You know, they're they're basically I'm trying to help them to become successful in the future. And given the tools to become successful in the future as well. Good for you man with a lucky young, man. I mean, you know, an young women to. Yeah. Well, but a great situation be your son and your daughters as well. But for sure, but I mean to be your son if you really do have a desire to box, would you start training? Oh shit. That's why I'm saying backed he's like, you know. You know, talking to George Foreman the other day and his one of his daughters were fighting was in her name, George everyone's as Georgina or something crazy shit. He's got like eight Georgia's in his house. Yeah. I said I'm watching files, but they know by the tone, apparently, which one it is those trae inflection on the on watching her fight, and I'm like, George he needs to tell us some stuff on. No, this some good things you can tell her or even get a proper coach or you know, help her. I don't want to fight. Wow. So you had to say, yeah. But if you don't want it to fight, and she's fighting you're not going to help she's going to get hurt. So I think she stopped to ready anyway, my approach to raising kids is I don't I don't have any input on what they do. I I want. I don't want would never tell my kid. I don't want you to do that. Because it's not my life their life. I give them guidance. If I can talk to them about what they're doing if I can. But they also have to go out and do it themselves. I really firmly believe in that like you gotta go do it yourself. But if you wanna do it, that's your thing. I try to convince my daughter to want to do it's really I said sweetheart, I'll get your pink gay if you might my kids were doing martial arts for a while. My middle daughter was doing ju jitsu and my youngest daughter was doing, but you got bored with it after a while which was cool to you know, ten in eight and who knows maybe they come back to it. But you know, I kind of whispered to my son right now you need to some wrestling. Then get him in jujitsu Tanya. Thank you fight 'em may. You know, I don't know what the future holds. He may fight MMA doesn't if he's going to fight shoebox what just because the money factor. Yeah. Honestly, I mean, if you're a heavyweight, you know, if you're heavyweight. Yeah. We certainly will have you met Lennox's brother dentist there. Nothing Lennox's bones. You know, God damn. But a heavy child holding a pretty big fist. But yours are gigantic. You know is huge choose human being, you know, here's going to be a heavyweight. Oh, it's going to be heavy. He's already. He's six foot. And he was fifteen shoes. He doesn't need to keep a pair of shoes by the front end. So I think he's he's going to outgrow me. That's like a puppy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's always going to be enormous. Great day. Why do kids grow the parents? I don't know. I think it's food. I think they get better food than us. Yeah. I think you know, you think about like how much protein children have now if you ever go back and look like how big men were during the civil war period or dining one hundred pounds. Yeah. They were tiny little people because nobody had good food. Like everybody was like barely surviving everyone's scraping bread and water times. Yeah. Like, the people that made it across the west you ever see photos of those folks skinny rickety looking people just tougher and tougher than we could ever be on my car. They were a little wolves. They're up in the early in the morning working. They had to survive. Yeah. It's just but now today kids are getting, you know, massive amounts of protein, and they get vitamins and vegetables, and you know, drinking all this milk and food's got shit. Oh, yeah. But this is that too. There's that too. But I just think it's just an abundance of. Nutrition. I mean when people are smaller a lot of it was because of mount attrition like look Asian, folks. Like a lot of Japanese folks used to be much smaller. Now, they're pretty fucking big. You're getting some really big Japanese fighters like their larger huge, they're eating better. You know, what I wanted to ask you please conspiracy theories. I know you have some. Yeah. I got some I thought I was listening to you about something about martians the other day that was president Jones, Alex. Amazing NASA shirt, I was going to buy for Eddie, Alex war and NASA. Yeah. Yeah. Any believes she had that even Alex thinks is ridiculous. What could spiracy theories to want to know about? No, I'm like, let me hear some. Well, I I believe less and less than I ever used to population control, you believe that. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe there's any concerted effort. Like where there's a bunch of really rich people that have decided to euthanize a bunch of people to keep the population low. I think that is that's paranoid. I think that there's probably some people that go, you know, what we would be a lot healthier. If there was less people. But there's no there's no obvious effort. The population keeps fucking growing imagine. If you're the all powerful all knowing people that are running the world, and you do in such a shitty job of population control. Yeah. I don't know if you're gonna control India and China, you're not you're not here. Neither getting these dirty villages and trying to stop it. You're not doing it anywhere. Even in this country. People are fucking like wild animals now coming next month three kids. Yeah. Like, look, it's just the way it is meant to fuck. They like to make in China you only let one kid. No. I think they've let lifted that because a lot of people are drowning their daughters. There was horrible shit were killing news. The this is the rumor is that people were they wanted us. Son. If they had a daughter, they would you know, like the the law the lose for you. Yeah. And to me daughters, a win because there's so much easier to deal with really I find with my daughter, and we're we're like this. Yeah. You know what man? I mean, just be happy. A boy come in. The union the Yang little Joseph Lennox Lewis. Peter's come in next month. Joseph next Rogan. It's amazing. I'm so happy that you gave him my name. Yeah. That's beautiful. I was gonna give me your middle name. But I didn't want to do that to them. So what's your middle name? Well, yes, my middle. Name is Claudius. Claudius sounds like a Roman emperor. Absolutely. Oh, beautiful. Hey, man. I know you you're supposed to get out of here to clock. Do you have a heart out? No, no. You can say absolutely beautiful. Let's keep talking. Yeah. So back to your question. I don't. Yeah. I think there's definitely some people that are influencing the way the world works for sure. But I don't think there's anybody that's a really trying to control population or what about this one? Okay. Do you think the Russians put Donald Trump in the presence here? I think the Russians absolutely want to Donald Trump to win. Absolutely. And I think they definitely undermined our democracy through various methods of manipulating people through social media. In fact, I have a woman coming on very soon winners Rene Directa this week next week she's on next week. And she actually studied it and wrote wrote this very comprehensive report about it was on Sam Harris's podcasts and detailed millions of interactions with Russian Botts and Russian fake accounts. And that these troll farms that we? Create memes, and they they did a bunch of different things. They didn't just try to pump Trump up, but they also tried to get people against each other and cause all sorts of civil arguments and all sorts of on rise. Yeah. All sorts of unrest online. They organize these meetings. Like, they were gonna as one protects us meeting across the street from a pro Muslim meeting I did didn't on per with that all through Facebook to get these people to fight with each other. They're doing these things to try to get people to take sides and to get people to be angry at the other side. They did a lot of shit like that real sneaky sneaky stuff that we probably do in foreign countries all the time. And we're mad that they're doing it to us. Because now they're doing it through social if you think about when we were growing up in the eighties seventies and eighties. All the imagery. We saw the USSR was very dark and grey. And it was very barren, and it was destitute and well some of it was true though. Yeah. When they were always side, and then all. All of a sudden that lifts and these hot fucking rushing chick. So this time. Time. Where was she propaganda? So true. You never saw the hot Russian some of the hottest women on a plan. They used to show us. These big manly women. We'll do. And now, you're like. Do that one. They were hiding. Yeah. Yeah. I have two friends and married a Russian ladies, they're very happy. Now the question 'cause because you're American everything I'm not American. So is this war ever going to get built or is listed situation? I don't think it was more of a campaign rhetoric thing, you know, build that wall build that always kind of staying with it wants to porter. Yeah. I think he's got a kind of do something. Right. Once you say that you're going to build a wall, you got to kind of do something. But ain't shit been built game. We're two years into the president. They built shit Mosey year left in the year and a half left in the prisoner is some wall. There's some wall that's up. But there's also some big as gaps and the the idea that they're going to stop drugs from coming over from that wall. Great now, the wall looks like Leon Spinks his mouth. I forgot about liens banks. I remember my parents were hippies. Right. But when Muhammad Ali lost Leon Spinks. And then there was a rematch. We watched it on television everybody. Everybody wanted to win people. Forget that Ali wasn't just a great boxer in the heavyweight champ at the world. He represented people that were against the war. He represented people that were against all of the all of the nation, all the racism that people had experience in the fifties. And sixties he was a different thing. He was he represented the hope of this new generation that this athlete would take a stand. And he said that no Viet Cong ever did anything to me. I'm not going over there and fighting anybody, and they took away his ability to earn a living for three fucking years primarily, and he was a hero a real socio. He could he could have given he could have given. He got a cushy job like Elvis or some shit, and you know. They would have had them go over there. And you know, just just to make it look like he was doing something. He's like, no no fucking chance. You know, he stood up for it. And my my parents were hippies wanted wanted him to win. I mean, my mom didn't give a fuck about boxing. But when I was for that was a little kid. I remember watching this on TV thinking, this is crazy. My parents want to watch a boxing match because what he stands for. My dad felt that way about Joe Louis traumas. And when Joe Louis beat MAC smelling. Oh, yeah. Thanks, very similar thing. He was beating max Schmeling for the world. Like it wasn't. I mean, I feel terrible for max smelling because I mean, he was probably just caught up and all that shit. But max even said he wasn't part of it. He was just he was just a upon the game. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure about Jack Johnson. That's my favorite. That's the craziest. I mean Lennox Lewis Jimmy Johnson face. That's the craziest of all stories, right? Came in credit. I must've experienced in the shit. He said back, then he would slick talk you bad, my favorite one. There's a mean a photo of him in his car as I don't even know if the is true the fifty s I'm coming back. Yeah. You get pulled over going fifty. He had to give the guy fifty dollars. That was the fee gave the guy one hundred because what's this for is. I'm gonna come back later that night now. Same speed. Then there's the story of him getting an taxi and getting back to the taxing the gug as I don't drive Niger's and any any reached over pulled the game to the backseat got in the front. Drove him software to where's my fair because I drove myself and he got out. I wonder if that's true, you know, he could throw in his book, you know, he wrestled there's video Jack Johnson wrestling, he'll get thirteen inch wrist. Here's a gigantic human being for the time. But I think he was only six to you know, but he was they call them the Galveston giant. Yeah. And people G Q magazine rated him as best dressed athlete of the century in two thousand it's wrong injury. Well, the twenty seven hundred all right, get it. Oh, yeah. In two thousand they did it for the. Yeah. The whole twentieth century backtrack. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, I don't think any of us could even imagine what it must've been like when he won the title and the kind of, hey. Hate that. He got all the people that wanted him to be killing the shit. He did was so gangster. Oh, yeah. He would hit you your knees. Buckling hold you up and say he would say things guys not yet. Not yet. You're gonna have a long night than this, which is torture. These you know, this guy knows boxing. Did you ever see his fight with Stanley? All. Yeah. Yeah. The boilermaker Stanley catch will drop them that was it was supposed to be a exhibition an exhibition about and Stanley was the middleweight. Yeah. Yeah. And then hit. Yeah. Okay. And then his teeth got stuck in his glove. I smash them. Wow. Yeah. Hit a fascinating style. When they had those little gloves. You guys don't realize that was going to say the little gloves horse hair different world gloves. Arc your fucking hands. Real easy to to more because they added yet hurt. Well, it's like him. I make gloves. Yeah. And I may fighters find out the hard way. Like, you can't just you can open up with boxing and not even worry as much. About what you're hitting. You cannot do that. If you're fighting bare knuckle this. Have you seen that bare knuckle boxing, say what is their knuckle resurgence? I think these guys are tough. Yeah. They told you got pro boxers going in it now. Yeah. Who went in at somebody a decent name was in recently. Well, a lot of UFC fighters over. Yeah. They've gone in. Rugby or football. You guys a tougher than the football players percent. Yeah. Yeah. The Italian guys in it too. I saw him doing the bare knuckle thing Italian guy. Italy. No, no, no, one Italian American. Phil Baroni, Phil Baroni uncle. Yeah. He did one. Yeah. Yeah. Quite a few women may fighters. Melvin Goulard did some. Yeah. It's you know, but it's sort of a last resort kind of thing. Trying to pick up a paycheck. You know, Chris Lytle did it. It's just a hard way to make a living someone about this guy. Not going to the door. He's just saying the time tell us motherfucker. It's your boy whom I guy he's not going to Eddie. Yeah. The mexican. Yeah. No. He's good fire him. He's trying to get into the other guys talking to him. So Lennox is fellow is talking to your fellow assistant. My sister knows better. Well, people get silly. It's like a good meal. You know, once you enjoying this meal. You just want to know, what are they doing after this? Just more interviews. They got me. Busy, boring ass interviews, or what are you promoting promoting the fights which fights? We haven't talked about any of them. You couldn't probably beating context about chess and get the fuck outta here. If you get the fuck outta here until your boy, you I'm good. I'm good at I've already told them. I don't have to be somewhere to four thirty. That's I'm gonna put some two way glass there. We could see out and they can't see in. That's a good idea. Yeah. Silly boy interrupt podcast. Jesus said Sean porter this weekend. Who's fighting you guys from? Cuba, or they said, you guess I'm like no who. Should be good for this is on the thumb FOX PPC. Oh nice. Yeah. Puertas the champion now. He won the title from Thurman. Didn't he? Yeah. And or did he want from Danny Garcia? Then because. Don't you boxing on? Yeah. Course, he's I'll tell you anything about the heavyweight. Are you doing commentary on? Yes. So you're doing commentary competition this for FOX nice should be good fight should be very good fight. Yeah. There's a there. It is right there. I agree with. Every every time Shawn porter. It's lennox. Every time. Shawn porter fights, he's always a a serious brawl. You know, this guy reminds me of the old time fight is the way this guy fides, you know, it gives you a lot of pressure is on you somebody, you know, title. He doesn't he doesn't mind taking the shot to to to punchy. So he mixes it up. That's this Saturday night. Yes. Nice. Yeah. There's a lot of great fights coming up the Mikey Garcia Earl Spencer junior excited. That's that's very good fight. It makes me. Great to see. It's a great fight. But as I'm I like, Mikey Garcia. But at to me, it's like I like both of those I like them both. I think Mikey's plus in this fight. Is that Spence hasn't had pressure? Like this and Mike doesn't tank out on anybody not gas out, and he's not afraid to mix it up with what about the size difference? That's what I'm worried about. It's the size difference the weight difference. I mean, I. One more fight before he fought, Spence. But no, he's they know what they're doing. He's ready whole families. I mean, he walks in specialists and trained with his brother before with with Robert have you really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. No shit. Yeah. Lookie here. Right. Jim so jitsu, John jock Machado, boxing, Robert Garcia. Lemon Janko was their training. Damn. Yeah. Teddy's up there right now working with that light-heavyweight Russian character. Oh, the the music kids phasing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I trained with trained over at Goossens Jim over the Christmas holiday. Did you really boxed in two years on my God? I suck fucking hands. Hurt. I'm like fuck this. So your your hands. My hands were hurting after that you did you wrap them I wrap them. I may reference too tight goes off hands. Domain square up here. Took it's been Julia. Like, I do this. Gotta do it slow. It was because he knew I used to train back in the day. So it was like I wanted to look good. And I'm like, okay. Hope you, you know, you do see this is where the martial arts comes in. But get this thing of sand. And you just start punching. San to toughen you up little bit toughened. You would sell son. When I say, my hands hurt I meant like the joints, my joints were hurting. Well, you know, what people do you ever see rice bags? They stick their hand rice bags. They do a lot of this rice bags that. Apparently is very good for your hands. I did that my mom got mad. I was fucking up harass. So what did you do about it? Yeah. Winnow and just so. If you just get back to doing little comeback. I figured that much. But I'm like a tennis ball everywhere. So I'm gonna stick with you to it doesn't hurt as much. Did you just it doesn't hurt your hands? No, my I wear those little Luda gear guards. What luta gear have you seen them? They got these little finger guards that they actually help. What are they strengthened gives? You say make a two finger and a three finger idea what the three finger. It's just like a little a little cutoff glove for your fingers. Really hold them together. Ninja thing. It's nice. It gives you more traction to necessarily. But it just it keeps you fingers together case from separating pop your finger out. That's probably good. If you're a tar assumption. Probably my mom uses some two for threat look at that. That's that's the two finger joint. I used the three I've never even fucked with those. Yeah, I'm old school pro. I just take my shit up, but you're also fucking gorilla strong. It's weird as a weird because it's like playing with the fucking silverback gorilla. If when I watch your. John Jack that doesn't go. You want him rolling? I go. No. I don't. I'll do it now. But then I'm like, no. But but doing it a long time, and I started you to ninety six rolling tomorrow. Right. Yeah. I'm calling them. Now, we're gonna probably rolled around eight thirty in the morning if that's cool with that works. Yeah. We could do that. What's different about jujitsu and wrestling? What's the what's the difference depending upon whether or not use the gay the Giza big factor because you could grab a hold of that. And it's it makes you more defensive minded because you can get caught and things can't cut and submissions easier submissions or the big thing, obviously. But I do a lot of Nogi. I have a black belt Nogi Jiu jitsu and Guizhou too. I actually prefer Nogi. It's I don't want to do them on. We do whatever we do gay. I don't care. I I just don't use it. I just don't use the, you know, I I let people grab mine, but I try to use arm bars and chokes and things that I would do Nogi. That's how I trained from Gita Nogi. So that I could do both. I just decided I'm just going to train in a ghee like I don't have one on like let people I'll be I'll be recognized that I have it on. So people can grab me. But I don't grab there's I just use over hooks and under hooks and okay. So I was trying to make a joke out a Nogi. Oh, somebody having the key Josie Gaylord. It is definitely a slower game. Like older dudes in particular. They seem to like the geek because they can kind of control you, and it's good for you. And it could also be used against you, which is bad. Well, it's if you have a winter coat on man, like I said that the worst thing to do is get in a fight with a judo blackout when you got a winter coat. Oh, yeah. Was great. Even the suit sweater. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. We're looking at you. It's all gravy. Yeah. You you got your blue belt now. Right. When you when you think you'd get a purple belt, and you're on your way, right? I gotta get some stripes. I talked to JJ about it ago. Did I'm trying to train more swearing destroy because due for a stripe. Go well, come. I gotta fucking train more. So I have to drive. I don't want the stripe. I want are in the strike. Are you doing things other than your training in terms of like physical training? Maybe a little dumbbells and yoga ball. It's about. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. She get a trainer kit. Someone like it'll it'll make a big difference. It's like think about your your body is like a race car. Right. If you could just lift weights and your race car will go faster, wouldn't you do that? Like if you as thing you could do you get dumbbells dumbbells, but my elbow Firkin hurts lately. So like this is quitting baby. This is the thing. I was talking about tennis elbow, right? I I was having a problem with my album, you hold it. Like that. Like, you twist it like this, and then you untwisted with your arms. So you hold it. Like this twist and then untwisted. Do it slowly and it works on these tendons, the same tendons that you get just so shitty. How I got it can sleeping could we have him. Try that right now. Let's see. Them. It's a lot ever. Then it looks. So you twisted and then untwisted. Yeah. Like like twist it like that. Right. And then level it out and then slowly untwisted. That's good. Yeah. Over and over and over again a little bit. It's far more dense than it looks. Yeah. It's great for tendons, it specifically works this part of your arm down in here may just look at your Jergen one. That's good to you know, what else is good a roller. You know, when you have one of those phone works. No accord with like a way to the bottom of it. And you got to roll it with ROY box the day. Those are grace and people just fabricate them in the gym. Yeah. Like a stick around. Those are great. Yeah. I haven't one of those out there too. It's just that's that's one of the best. Forums, right? Yeah. For your forms and gripping just have that kind of strength. Good, you'd be awesome. At you jitsu a guarantee because you're a chess player you very cerebral. You know, it's very it's like, it's it's boxing, obviously is very cerebral too. But the limited in your weapons, you don't have a certain amount of angles. You could punch from whereas you through this an endless combinations. You you get some time to think some insurgent positions. Yeah. Of a teacher that did a K Kito. Yeah. That's what he did to that. Do the choice. Advocate gave me he did something to me. And I realize okay. I gotta watch out for that. Swear, you know, the person manipulate your bone drops their whole weight on? Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. That she could break your hand. If you don't go with break your in Franson pressures, I should people. Yeah. Marcelo Garcia is tapped people out like high level people with Rhys locks jujitsu tournaments and John Jaguar showing me like how to wrist like a guy while you're I'm like damn like, it's not nice don't do it to people. But you can do this. If you want. Yeah, there's some nasty shit the things like there's no end to ju jitsu. There's no end. And and there's no like these are all the moves. And that's it and the people keep inventing move. I just found our new move yesterday. One rubber guard, assassins on Instagram, right? They've figured out some crazy 'camorra you do from close guard that leads to a triangle, my Quanta like you somebody has to let you do a lot of those things to some of them. Yeah. But sometimes people don't know what you're doing there. Don't even know you're letting them I'm always concerned about rubber guard with the knees. Fucking up your knee joints because you've got to be very flexible to get that rubber garden. Yeah. Just stretch. Yeah. Yeah. Stretched rubber guard. I don't know what that is. It's where you put somebody in between your legs when you describe it sounds. So you put a put somebody between your legs, and then you pull your leg over their head. But their head has the pop through. So you're now, you're controlling them. You can hold their head this way. It's a lot of fucking robbery nece this ability to it was invented by my friend, Eddie Bravo. But there was some guys would play high guard before that he just put it into their this. That's a good example of it. That's what it looks like. So he's pulling down using his his leg and his arms to control a guy and wraps up. And while he's down. Yeah. Well, yeah. So he's on the looks like a Gracie move gigs is well, it's a jujitsu move. So Bravo, move all digits essentially as Eddie right there. Yeah. There is. Eddie and joke him up under my teacher. And then Eddie took it to another level from there. Well, Eddie just branched out, and you know, went into Nogi. He's much more. He has black belt in the gears. Well, much more concerned with Nogi techniques because he wanted techniques that would work in mixed martial arts. So it makes martial arts. You don't have the collars to grab the sleeves to grab. So he wanted to invent a system that you could use. Especially your when you have the ability to fight off your back is very when you that's been Saunders who was like one of the best at it in MMA. And if you get wrapped up you're on top of duty wraps you up but his legs like that. It's very it's very demoralizing. You get so trapped in human nature tells you when you're on your back and has gone top. You're you're in trouble. But in jujitsu, you're that's fine. Yeah. If you've got a good guard like John jock. Yeah. Well, I have an interest in that. What do you live these days a live in Canada? You still live in Toronto. Yeah. Yeah. It was in Jamaica from. Yeah, you're living in Jamaica for. Yeah. That was fun. I love Toronto was one of my favorite places on three. I met him. I was telling him earlier the nightclub. Nightclub meet Lennox. And I remember that meeting though. Yeah, that's one. What's his name was playing scratch scratch was playing and everybody was there Toronto. You're such a perfect city is like the people are nice, but it's urban like, it's very populated. There's a lot of people, but they don't have that asshole vibe that like New York has its the fifth largest city North America is it. Yeah. Let me tell you. They're building like mad over there. Condos made out of glass. Renta's market but tiny little places, but there's so much cool shit there. And now the weeds legal, it's probably booming in Canada. But never really an issue there. If you got caught with like just give it it stop it. But now, it's like you'd go to the stores, you know, the stores on the street like is it that? Yeah. Yeah. I think there have been some stores they're opening like about twenty five or fifty in Toronto. So the government's gave him scrape place when I did that place that you do that the score Shannon to center Scotiabank Scotiabank. Now, I just did it in November. He came. And then you were there. I think a month before asked. Yeah. Yeah. That was there before my Netflix special came out, and they came out on October. So I think it was around that. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking love it up there, man. That's probably one of my favorite cities to visit come on back. Eleven Massey hall together. Yeah. That was fun, man. You me and big gen. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. That was a good time with the UFC's. They're always great to. Yeah. Good support. They love it up there. Yeah. Let's just Toronto. Just such a it's such an unusual city like Canada in general like I'll ask you this. Why people are so nice. There's so much nicer than America. Enes. It's I don't know. It's different. There's nice Americans. What you say nice. You're saying, they're more polite and more polite. Yeah, I find that too. I think Americans are nicer on as far as have you been to New York lately. Yeah. I love. Here's the thing. Canadians are polite, and but we'll talk shit about you. You're not. Take that. But take that over being rude and Canadians can also get freaked out by people being forward, which Americans are considered very forward. And you know, it's it's an outgoing thing. So where it whereas an American like, hey, I'm going to ask you something contains of like, oh, why why is this person so aggressive like, where's the Canadian be like excuse me? I'd like to ask you a question. That's true. It's very similar. But just different approaches. Why you know as far as like stand up comedy is there. How good is the the community in in Canada. Is it like the community in America where there's a lot of up and coming people or is there is a lot of comics in Canada. A lot of great ones come out of Canada. The problem is there's no the money's not there. So no matter around like like the clubs once you get you know, the clubs tap out. At like, maybe you'll make let's see what that's six shows on a weekend. I had a good headliner can make. Twelve hundred bucks. That's in. I mean, that's pretty fucking insane. Yeah. It's rough especially if they're selling out and making drink. That's the problem is that the club. I like an into the FCC almost to a certain degree. It's not about the comic. It's about the name of the club. We're like Yuk yuks about Yuk yuks. It doesn't matter. It's about Yuk yuks. You have about you have as a matter who the fuck and fighters they used to have that attitude at some of the clubs in LA. You know, that was one of the reasons why they had that big comic strike way back in the seventies. Yeah. Excuse people felt like the, you know, the comics were the ones who are providing the art form with the clubs the ones who making all the money, and they were like, hey, you know, you're you you're at the improv where you're at the comedy store, you know, the pay scale at these clubs is the same as it was in the eighties, which is fucking horrible. Like, I take people out on the road with me and the clubs will pay fifty bucks for an MC for the weekend and one hundred bucks for the feature. And I'm like that's fucking. That's what it was. I started in eighty nine. And that's what it was back. Then that's crazy. It's never. That's terrible. How these kids going to make a living? Well, in a way, it's a lot like boxing because like when people think that boxers make millions of dollars because Floyd Mayweather, make one hundred million dollars in the fight. And that is true. But if you look at the undercard like there's guys that are fighting for chump change I mean, and they are going through a long camp because I pay check was your first boxing paycheck five thousand. Wow. That's because I'm coming out of the Olympics. Yeah. Campion's even still that's five thousand dollars for a fucking professional fight. But you also signed milky million dollar deal. It's gonna add up after a while. Yeah. I mean, you're you're an exception. I mean, there's guys fight not there for like eight hundred bucks. Yeah. Try five hundred three hundred. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, another thing that disturbs me about Emma may as opposed to boxing is the win lose bonus. I don't like that fighter. I think a fighter should get paid. What they're supposed to get paid. No one's trying to lose. And if you're trying to lose you're never gonna be able to compete at the highest level. Anyway, these guys are pouring, their heart and soul. They're giving the body. They're literally sacrificing their health and they night get fucked out of a decision and because of that it was fifty percent of their money. So some incompetent judge which in boxing is everywhere. I mean, I delayed bird. How dare you? You just there's a there was even worse than her. There's people that don't even do it anymore because they stay out of the game. Every time. I listen to the, you know, you're a fan of the sport. When you hear the judges names, go fuck not that guy. There was a lot of them. And there's a lot of them. I mean, but imagine if fifty percent of your purse goes away because someone doesn't know what the fuck there. The win-lose bonus. They're guaranteed a certain amount the guaranteed a certain amount. But that's the show like say like say, maybe you would get ten and ten so you get ten thousand dollars to fight and ten thousand more if you win. But it's crazy. It's oftentimes fifty percent. And the ideas that you're gonna give these fighters and incentive to put on a better show. I think I don't lie then fight of the night. Yes. I don't like when people fight any different than the way, they're fighting when they're fighting the best and the smartest right? I think you should fight intelligently, you shouldn't engage in a wild brawl because you want some performance bonus, you know, because like they'll give out performance of the night or knockout of the night. Can you can you lose and still get the the fight of the night boat? Yeah. Sironi has got a ton of those got a ton of. But I mean that's him though. He would fight that way. If you gave them a guarantee. Oh, yes. Example, if he knew it was gonna make a half million dollars a fight. No matter what he would fight exactly that way. That's how he fights. And I think that's how that's how it should be an anomaly though, because he grew up with money. Didn't he like decent? He grew up a style terribly poor. He wasn't wealthy. I thought he had money if I a grip with with a decent amount of money. That's the way I was sold. It. I don't believe. So I don't want to speak at a school though. I mean either. But I have always been like, he's PJ Penn. Did you know BJ Penn is a legend BJ grew up with a wealthy family. They're wealthy. He just was a fighter. He finds to somewhere. He's fine. He's gonna fight Klaipeda. Yes. That's fucking odd. One retired. He did he got bored. So I still wants to do it. He actually looked very in his last fight up until they got very exciting fighter back in the day. He's still a wild man you still want, but he got leg. Locked by Ryan hall, who's this phenomenal jujitsu player, and he caught him with a he he did a. Minority role and Katamon a leg. Lock and just fucked his leg up and Monari row. Yeah. Talking sounds like something you eat it. Monaro minority is very famous Japanese fighter who is a phenomenal leg lock artist. And is actually to move to the Menara role as Iman Ari, which Monari comes from plot. An plot is a shoulder lock. I think it's a Portuguese were. I think that's what they call it. Almost get your from your leg. It's a. Yeah. It's shoulder. Lock. And then the minority is while you're locked up in the plot. You grab like a grip underneath the guy's chin. You ain't going back. It's a nasty now. I'll show you tomorrow. I hope not really hope. I just have a friendly roll weekend. But if you catch yourself a number plot it's coming. You know, what's funny is when a I'm a big fan of the in armed, choke, which I know is your favorite head and arm, and and then. Yeah. And then John Jack now causes the Joe HOGAN, someone do it can the Joe HOGAN, and that's your move. Actually. It's now your move at the gym. Well, you know, sometimes you have like techniques that you you hit so often that you just know when they're there, and you can close them up real quick now that was always my shit. That's what I've been I've ever since then I've actually been working on that. Well, you know, somebody guys did it to me, and it's such a suffocating feeling when someone's on top. And you got your arm pinned here next their arms across your neck, and you like it and you make that noise funding. It's a horrible way to get choked out of the esteem alike. Guys, get locks named after them get out of it doubt. You have to put your hand on your ear like you're answering the phone. That's that's one. The first thing is trying to create some space here. So that you don't go to sleep. You gotta you gotta give into the fact that this is choking this out of your neck for sure so the arms coming under here, and it's wrapping around here. And if you just go like that. And it's down or like that. It's going to get smushed. You're getting you're getting right? So you got to bring this thing in here. Trying to create a little bit of space, and you hope this motherfucker gets tired squeezing your neck, and then you try to get in here and create a little bit of space. Try to do just give me a little bit his face at times. Little bit of space. Get a little bit of space. It's all just a matter of little inches little tiny micro movements. But when someone has your arm wrapped up like that. And they have that arm across your neck and crushing you with their body weight. And then they get their knee on your solar plexus and flat you out and split. He's down. It's horrible are their fighters in other countries that don't go in, but they're unbelievable fighters. But they're not trying to show anybody that they're unbelievable voters. Oh, like kung FU guys? No, no, those guys all get fucked up, and they try to they think they do it because you start believing it, and you have your students may believe you're the master and. Sheldon guy tried entering punch to those video where the orange shell in suit. And he would win in like these really hokey fight. And then he get into the big ones and just get the shit beat out of him. Yeah. He was kickboxing. Yeah. He actually had some skills like he needs to watch his show. He had some he could do a little bit. But what I'm talking about? It's like these CI masters like a lot of those ones where you put seems real or those are so sad. Yeah. Mcdonagh joe. What is the make DOJ? Oh, life on Instagram has a shitload of those make me laugh, so sad. You put seems legit. Yeah. Well, a lot of they'll go and fight a real fighter. And they think they actually know how to fight and they just get concussed. They just get smashed open. Because you know, why once they don't get it. Yeah. They don't get. That's why that's why I love box you box and Spar all the time yet hit all the time. So you know in a real fight boxes of being hit. You know, guys do kung FU and all those things they don't get hit. So when they do get in the real fight. It's like a message them up. It's like I do see this coming. Yeah. Yeah. Practical application the difference between practicing and you know, thinking this so many of these. I haven't seen this one. This is a new one if picked one dot guy in the Blackie looks like he's gonna fuck this up. Very gay looks like the carpeting in my bedroom. Oh my God. What these guys are? Did you see that? I wonder whether whereas it's weird geeze and everybody everybody clapping their belts are in that class guy days. Silly FOX they really believe that. I bet that guy could get him suck dick same way. I know people who really believe that their teacher can do that stuff. So. They're called priests. How dare you? Yeah. It's it's weird that those people still around in the day of video cameras that you can still have this. But yeah, what you're saying. It's probably even when you were saying that if you hadn't fought in two years, and you would get in there and get hit you like, whoa. Okay. Okay. Let's see I seen Keith Thurman. Do that really his last fight? Yes, he Lopez isn't a banger by any means. He looked a little little off though. But key Thurman had to suffer through that one little concussion concussion say, and he was all right after that. If you hit him with that same shot, he would've took it even better because he got over the hump. I still tried to Lopez. Yeah. A lot of people did. Yeah. It was a close fight for you. And you know, it was Thurmond's big comeback fight. I mean, how long had he been out two years. At least was he injured. He was injured. He had some sort of rations elbow. Yeah. So, you know, but that's also one of the things that makes it so interesting. You know, I mean when when a guy does come back from a devastating loss, and you go, okay. Like like, Manny Pacquiao when Marquez knocked them out out who I mean crazy that was about one that was a bad that was a bad one. That's awesome slurring later. Maybe it's like, you know, you make a move would move. But then you've moved into the man's PowerPoint. And he hits you, and you know, there's no second chance with that one. Yeah. And marquez. I mean, he's a he's an interesting case. I mean, he's obviously a very very talented fighter. But as he got older, he got physically stronger, you got bigger and stronger, you know, Mexican supplements can meet lot involved. Glenn, Motorola, meet monkey do. There's a lot involved here. Right. I mean, and he actually was working with Manny pack, yells old strength and conditioning guy. And Manny was the guy was always accused of doing. We're talking about Alex a reason. Yeah. I mean, Manny went up eight as a me before. Yeah. When I was doing my special three years ago. Look at them jacked does he still fighting? No, he's retired. Mark has done for him. Is they're talking about Floyd. They're doing a they're talking about doing a Floyd pack, yo rematch. I'm not really excited about that. You know what I'm excited about? I want to see how much money Floyd Mayweather can make I'm excited. I mean, look the fucking defected. He talked everybody into that Conor McGregor fight and he made more than one hundred million dollars. Isn't that tension kid fighting again, he's fighting somebody else now? Now's zuccaro. Yeah. He's a he's a bad. Ask intimate supposed to be fighting another another boxer. Yeah. Oh, I think you're right. Probably one. But you know, tension is one hundred and twenty six pounds. Yes. We should find somebody that. I mean, the fact that he fought may whether at all and people like oh looks like it was a fake fight. No. That's what it looks like one hundred and twenty six pound fighter fights, one of the best boxers of all time. Yeah. That's what it looks like they don't look fake. He did full very dramatically because he got his fucking brain rattled, you know. Oh. Davis. Oh my God. Devante can't make that way anymore. Either. These at now, but they don't have a makeweight. That's the thing. They just have them fight. I mean Floyd didn't make any fucking wait. Did he what did you do you like the way one F C's doing their wait? Yes taught. Yeah. For people don't know. They don't let them cut. Wait, they they do hydration tests. So there's no dehydrating yourself. So if you weighed natural you walk around one hundred eighty five pounds, you're gonna fight it one hundred eighty five pounds. You're not gonna fight at one seventy or one sixty five a lot of these guys. Do. That's good. Yeah. I'd love us. Good. Because the hydration aspect of even in any sport taken that liquid way from the brain. Yeah. Your your body needs liquid. Yeah. He's survives on liquids makes your bones brittle. It's it's terrible. For you in every way. It's terrible for your performance, your internal organs guys have kidney failure. When they're cutting weight for weigh ins, that's the beautiful thing about you being heavyweight, right? Yes. Didn't have to take off my clothes. I can way whatever. But there was always that fighting way where. It would be perfect. Manny was good at that. Yeah. Okay. We don't move don't move from there. About two to forty two thirty five to thirty five was perfect new year on. Yup. Yeah. Now, what kind of what kind of nutrition? Did you follow when you're fighting? Did you did you take specific vitamins or specific things? No. Jamaican food Jamaican food antidote on the asked me that same question. Yeah. Said what he said, my mother's food. He said if it if it ain't broke don't fix it. It's a perfect Angela Dundee, quote, if he's another one man remember that in the with the sugary Leonard against Thomas turns your blowing it kid. He gets she should get fired up, and he goes out and stops in the next round. There was a lot of good trainers back Georgie Benton. How what you Benton you? Plus, it's all good for good train as well. It's still important for young fighter to get hooked up with the right trainer. Right. You know, we got on that for a second. I think part of the problem with a lot of the young kids right now they need to get good trainers. Yeah. Could train is really help your game. Because even helps you with the with the TV because I was saying today that when a man you came into my corner HBO started talking about me better before he was like oh doesn't throw the job enough. He looks like he's tired the fight. When I went with Manny, they were like praising me. He's doing good no matter manny's behind him. No. He's a trainer of champions. So trainer really helps you gain for you were you with. Are you with many when you fought Mercer? Yes. That was a war. That was actually no I wasn't wasn't that Mersa FAI actually taught Mercer helped me out because before that five dollars always fighting guys that hooked hooked around body shots and hooks. So I kept my hands like this at the side of my face then. And then I went into that fight got a fat lip hated a Hake. In fat lips in my fights. Like, you know. Hey, you did you win the fight. Yeah. It didn't look like you're good to go fat lip from you know. So I kept on walking around with a fat lip. Good picture of you me, and Lloyd and you've got a fat lip and right out from like ninety seven. And then then Manny said, you know, doing wrong he said you need to put your hand in front of your mouth. I'm like, okay. So even if a guy throws a punch, which slides doesn't slide through it's gonna hit you hand. And he said you can move your hand two inches to to protect yourself from. You know what I'm saying? Okay. You're right. No, more fat lips. Well, I used to take it and fat lips book. Everybody look at you funny. That's hilarious. Well, having a great trainers. It's so important in MMA as well. I mean, and there's not that many of them as like you really have to find the right ones trainers. Just former finders now. Well, there's that. But you know, someone has to be a real the can't just be a trainer or just be a former fighter rather you have to be a student to really understand the game. Like Emanuel was only an amateur fighter. Right. You've never fought professional, and he was one of the greatest of all time unquestionably like everybody respected him. And so soft spoken, you know, and just but just knew just knew how to raise fighters, and you think about all the guys Gerald McClellan. Tommy Hearns other great fighters it came out of that camp. And the only problem I have with, you know, old time fighters is like, you know, some some old time fighters were bad fighters. Now right now the training a young kid the same weight Ryan, it's not it's not positive. Yes. Like teaching them the bad tricks. Yeah. But then there's guys who are better as trainers than they were as. Hundred percent. Yeah. Freddy Rojas recognized one of the greatest trainers for sure alive, but as a fighter it was a journeyman. It was a good trainer and his down. Yeah. And he got knocked up by our quail and second round. Well, he was a good trainer with Tyson. But he never really developed town outside of tiny dilemma alcohol. Oh, so so, you know, hanging around with Mike and got tires on a leash. And then buddy had a good run for a minute, buddy. Mcgirt? He's still training fighters buddy before. Yeah. Yeah. He was a great fighter. But he was a great fighter. Yeah. Great, dude. You'll you haven't trained with me. 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Episode 249 - Ben Bailey
Okay, inappropriate Earl, we'd done three this week when I fucking around anymore. We're number one and I tunes comedy until Papa Rogan came back, took his rightful spot, but never to doesn't suck and awesome. I mean matures. All right. And you know there's a big article on. People hacking into the items charts and high tunes. Got rid of all this podcast and I'm still there. So I wasn't one of the hackers. That's awesome. Thank you very much today. I have someone who I literally just met two minutes ago, but thanks to the great Jonathan Branston I have the great Ben Bailey in the house. What is up man? How's it going to? I like your house. I like your place. It's. I mean, it's paid off. Oh, that's awesome. That's amazing. Good for you. You know, I wasn't sure what we're going to talk about. And then I saw that you have an affiliation with someone that I'm obsessed with. Because late night when I used to live in Beverly Hills, they had a great public access channel. Right? And there was a talk show that this old dude. With kind of like Carol Channing. And I'm not making fun of him. 'cause he's a legend in the certainly the Hollywood business, the great Skippy low Skippy low. Yeah. I remember Skippy. That's amazing. Of course. I remember he's the first one ever put me on stage. How did you guys cross paths? I was working to answering the phones at the store way back when. In the green room. And I ended up telling this crazy story of how I ended up out here in LA and a bunch of people listening. One of whom was Skippy low and he thought I was a comedian, everyone kind of thought as a comic I was away. I was telling this story I had told a bunch of times and kind of had a routine even though I didn't really realize it. But and he was like, how long have you been dying stand up and I was like a just started, you know, have had never done it before. He's a I. I put me on my show on Saturday, the valley ram, so I did. And then I was kind of instantly hooked. It is a drug. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Man, I just felt like I was home. I mean, I was nervous as hell, of course going up there. But as soon as I got a laugh I was like, this is this is me, man. This is where I live my spot writer. I tell people I get a sexual high from when it goes well. It doesn't go. We'll be weird if you got a sexual high from it when it didn't go, well, then have to bomb on purpose just to get off all I bomb non purposes, it's talent. Well, I, who are your stand up? Like when I started seeing my not mentors, but the people I looked up to like non comics like Archie bunker. Right? 'cause I loved how he would say that I'm not for what he was saying, but how he played this crazy racist, but you still kinda like them like, did you have traditional like people you gravitated to stand ups? Well, I had people in my family, my father's very sarcastic and very funny and my mother's dad was a great storyteller and just always making us laugh when we were kids, and you know some of that rubbed off on me. Right. And it was definitely like a coping mechanism. I would say I figured out how to be funny to alleviate. Painful stressful situations at home or school, or wherever. Were you bullied in school? Schorr. Yeah, but I was also a bully. I was like, I was both. I got bullied and then like as a retaliation for that, I bullied some people. 'cause you're pretty big dude. I wasn't though I am now by wasn't wasn't big as a kid. I was going to call like medium height, m super thin. I think it's more psychological to the polling you could. If if you figure out how to like really give someone a hard time, you can do it. Oh yeah. It feels like you're fighting for status. Like if you're getting bullied by people and you feel like you're at the bottom. But after that, I figured out if I could couple of people and it seals like I've kind of brought myself back up a little bit, you know? Oh, sure. Haven't for real, but it feels that way. So yeah, I kind of did. I got bullied plenty and I believed people some until I figured out that it left me feeling shit. He do so like. You know who won the fight, but his crying on the on the walk home. Anyway, it is a bad feeling, but sometimes people just deserve it. I feel bad saying that, like, what do you mean in what instances like, I think bully deserves to be bullied. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, you know, that's the only people I enjoy bowling or other bullies. 'cause I find when you bully a bully, they shut down. They do. They don't know. They don't deal. They're like, wait a minute. I don't play this role and I was bullied a lot as a kid because I've been the same size since the fourth grade. You are full grown pretty much. Wow. I told us before not a small guy, how tolerant I six to. Maybe we had a kid who was in my school who was like full grown when we were in fourth grade also, and he really had a rough time. Well, it's weird. You'd think you wouldn't be bullied because you're so much bigger than everyone. Yeah, but they would call me elephant man because I, you know, my head was like sides is. But of course grade and yeah, like I would just cry. Yeah, hearts, brutal man, you know, and I can imagine it's worse today with online, you know, Twitter and I, you know, I don't know if it is or not. I mean, it's been a dressed clearly more than it ever had been when we were kids on how old you were. You fifty near fifty old just a little bit older than him, but we're in the same right in the same spot when I was a kid, we, it wasn't even like a thing that had a name. It wasn't a problem that had a name was to be addressed. It was just it was like a fact of life. You're gonna get bullied when you go to school, everybody's gonna get. Yeah, to certain extent. And you know, what are you gonna do. Are you going to handle it? I, I don't know if it's worse than it was or if it's like not as bad as it was. I really don't know yet, but I think it's easier now like, you know. You can just I don't know what kids use the most. I'll soon Twitter and you could just say, you know, been Bailey's blockhead and I could just tweet it out. Right, right. And you think it's easier to bully? Yes days. Right. I know that'd be cyberbullying, wouldn't it? Yeah. Which I know the first lady just did a speech on today, which is crazy to me. What's her name again? Malania. I'll and like her husband's like pretty aggressive on Twitter. Yeah, he's a. He's a cyber bullying a little bit, isn't he? I mean, and so what did she say she? She was just endorsing it. Cyber bully. One day you'll be president. He was saying how she was the most bullied person on earth. I'll really, and I would. This is after they were married, this is today. So and then of course he's on Twitter. Our later after he gave the speech or after she gave the speech making fun of some democratic Senator. So the irony of the modern world, it's almost too much for me. I, I love him. He's just such a wild card. I was at the gym and I looked up and there's Connie west, yeah, talking Donald Trump in the Oval Office, and I was like. What has happened to the world. This is the news like idiotic rec- to me, like it's it's a parody of itself. It's it's, it's like, turned completely inside out, mind boggling. Do you find it easier to write material in this wekeend world? I know. Well, no, it's the same for me. I don't write about topical stuff at all. I don't talk about politics. I don't. I'm not motivated inspired to write about that stuff. I write about weird stuff. I write about like, why do people build birdhouses. Birds can build their own houses. Why do we take punter selves to provide free housing for them? That sort of weirdo kind of oddball stuff that I think is entertaining. That's what I read about, you know? So, I mean, I like. I mean, I like political, really? Right, right. I like weird, stuff like that because you know everyone talks about the same stuff for the most part relationships parents in upbringing, but you've had a while upbringing. I mean, Kentucky, do York LA you've you're almost no mad. I would say, yeah, we moved around a lot and I ended up with an and that's when I would get bullied when I was the new kid right being the new kid is tough man. At least it was back then. Like in the last time I moved to, I had to like the first day of school. I had to fight because I was tall. I wasn't big, but I was like as tall as the not the biggest kid, but who was also an outcast because of his size. But as like the same height as like the toughest kid or the toughest kids. So I had to fight them the first day of school had a fight like four kids in fourth grade. I mean, this is going to be rough, man. Wow. This is my life. Yeah, and it was, you know, it's the second time that had happened that I remember I had moved once earlier, but I was I was really little then so yet moving tough. Now we're back to bullying. Well, it's just so I don't think you back when we were kids like fighting was almost an accepted. You have promise somebody just fight three o'clock, man. Yeah, three o'clock high us. One of my favorite. I love that movie. 'cause I didn't if I so much. Casey Szymanski and Richard Tyson. That's a great movie. I met him once and I don't get star struck a lot, but I met him at Roddy piper memorial. Right? And I had no idea. He was a wrestling fan, right? And I just walked up to piper. I'm still surprised. I mean, he died like, how did that just came out? I was the coast to stand up, wasn't he was doing standup dates. Tell stories. Okay. Sure. If he was to stand up, he would tell stories and then like a, but he would come to the comedy, slam a suplex at the. He would do that too. If you ask because people are idiots at the comedy store, they it, can you put me in a chokehold and he would choke me, could you hit me with this chair? Eighty was awesome. Speaking of great movies from that era. They look what's right there. Autographs. They were from Roddy Roddy piper. That's amazing. I mean, he gave that to me and I felt like I was winning the Stanley Cup. I was like, oh, my God. This is, is that his hair on top? I don't. You know, I don't think so. Might be Keith. David's hair kind of looks. That's one of the best fights seems of all time. Oh, it's the longest fight guys need other in the balls like fourteen times each to get to Keith David. I mean, it was a sad. His memorial was very sad, you know, because we all loved him, but it was hard not to get star struck because there's Keith David again, front row and then a million things. She's always good. Oh, he was in roadhouse him in, you know, roadhouse if you're of our age range, you know, in the forties site, the Star Wars of action, movies, I, I loved that movie. Good in good. It's one of those like best worst movies of all time. Like it's a separate genre. You know? Like, yeah, it's so far fetched and silly, but it's just awesome. Mitch's works. It's over the top over the top yet, which is the, you know, Star Wars of arm wrestling move is I love it when the dude comes and he's got a little blade in his boot and the guy all the way on the other side of the bar notices it. Just goes right boot. Got it. I fucking love that movie, man. It never gets old. I've seen it. I'm Barisa say, probably a hundred times if it's on it's one of those. If it's on the leave it on, there's another moves to see the fact I say a polar bear. Philo me. It's just that guy's great to I had the bad guy on the spot cast the bat. The guy is a word whole Bill back. I okay. Marshall Teague is, is the actress name the one who's like the like the henchman battle at the end of the when Swayze keeps from ripping his throat out and he had the greatest live, right? Yes. Yeah. The man. He was a legit karate, you know, expert and we watch the movie. It was you guys sat right here watched road just commentated lets us it was little things like that are like, I'm glad I had this podcast do that's so cool. And then I had the bad guy from superman to on, oh, no way, but not. Terrence stamp? No. The big guy who didn't say, wow. Because I just tweeted, people go, hey, would you come on my podcast and most like no. Really obscure bit where I would say my girlfriend and I got an argument on FaceTime, and I got so mad. I through the ipad across the room and she looked like the bad guys from superman too. In the end when they're flipping through space. No one. Got it. But I thought it was fun. Well, that's the problem with my act. All I joke about things from the eighties. Your comic? I had no idea. Well, it's like we were talking about joking about bird houses. You know, I've never heard another comic joke about that. So you would all automats had me on board like, okay, I've never heard that birdhouse bit. Yeah, apparently there's another comic birdhouse bit. I've been told. Well, I mean, I guess it's possible. There's room for two, I guess that's why joke about like a ban like rat knowing jokes about, right? Yeah, no one has rat bits. Well, I mean, it sounds like you do probably a good thing. They don't to be honest round and round. I had to say on the podcast and I've never been so star struck in my life. But he was the perfect amount of bitterness and funny how nice 'cause he got better. He's not. He's wide to see feel like a respected or well, he's, you know, he was at the top of the mountain for a while, and then you know, once the eighties Bon Jovi came on and then you know, bigger bands kind of pass them by the nirvana net whole seeing came on just crushed every ban. I was like, eighties glam rock kind of got grunge d- well, you know what, I guess early to mid nineties nice run until ninety. One. I think when the cherry pie video came out that was like the the apex, where's that girl? Man. She's she's on the podcasts. Are you kidding me? But to anyone, how low on your list was I? Oh, you are. Hi. I'm just kidding. Kill Tony. I'm like, oh, yeah, kill. That was fun. Then I wonder if he would do the podcast McKay. He's probably too busy. I'm happy to do it right into a guy that you know that knows you at the at the gym here in we who do you go to ends with an axe? Yes, where you go. I go to horse ox gym, right? Y'all plug word equinoxes. Yeah, man, you just there today? I was. I think I saw. I think he's going to be on my podcast. Oh, that's our neither one of us at my house ready to do this thing just there before it came here. So it was nice, dude. I mean, I love equinoxes. That's a great do that. Jim, first of all, it looks like x. men training camp in there. I'm like, holy shit. Everyone in near is a superhero. I feel fat when I go there. Yeah. Like I'm like, normally I'm like, I feel like I can hang in there. I'm like, man, I better step it up. These people are in amazing shape, but it's it's a phenomenal. Jim, aside from the scene of being there, like just what they have there for you to utilize. It's very clean. It's super clean. It's huge. They have every piece of equipment I've ever even heard of or seen a trainer. I worked in a gym house a trainer when no one was a trainer in New York. In New York? Yeah. What you were like? No personal trainer is not a real thing. You know, that's never going to be a thing. It'll always be like the celebrities and whoever will have trainers. No one else. Little did we know is that like, oh, now like Tony little, there's like they're everywhere. There's there's. There's forty trainers employed at that Jim alone, you know, like it's, they're all actor. It's a real job. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. They're all trying to like there's one trainer equinoxes can plug his name's Clancy. He's the the black dude with dreadlocks. He's pro-trade. There's a couple of black with dreadlocks. There isn't. There are the one might be Ricky Williams. Okay. The football player who quit the NFL because he loved marijuana so much. That is dedication. That's good. Read that some good weed, but like most Lancy I think I know who you mean shorter. You know, but he's approaching like he's not an actor. He's there for twelve hours a day. Yeah, that's a good gig. Man. I love being a trainer. Jim all day was hanging is helping people like getting shape and feel good, and it does make you because I did it before I got into comedy, and I'm a certified like I was legit, but I think I had a tipping point moment where I saw trainer must have been in his sixties, and he just looked so sad. Oh. All right. I got it to something else. I don't wanna be this guy. Could have been totally unrelated to his work. Yeah. Maybe he had a bed fight with his wife or whatever. But I was just like I gotta start taking comedy seriously and hockey. Apparently hockey's the only non comedy thing. I do one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven everywhere. I look. There's more hockey trophies in here. Twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen. Sixteen seventeen. Those hockey guests eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one twenty two hockey trophies that I can see at probably another thirty upstairs. I have super hard shot. All those are leading scorer trophies. What do you got. What do you got a an amazing slapshot it's like a rain, man, Goldberg from the Mighty Ducks. Just I'm not the greatest can't handle the puck that well can't skate that well, but I'm like King Kong when I can get a slapshot. Awesome. I mean, still play now. I have to play to every Tuesday out here where you back east. I had to do something on comedy. Really? Yeah. An organized team sport is fucking great for you. Well, it's just it's bond in Yemen. You know, I don't know. Like for me, most of my friends are comics, actors, musicians, and I just have to be around someone who works at WalMart. Doesn't care about an addition. It's got a step away. 'cause it started a business started affected? Yeah. What what's your like. Non non comedy thing that you do you have. I hobby have a lot. I have a. I have a band, I play music. I play my my own original tunes and stuff, but so that's completely separate. I wanna keep them completely separate. I play hockey. I, I used to do triathlon triathlon for years. So voice had tried to have something healthy and completely separate from comedy to to turn to, you know. Oh, comedy business. It'll make you crazy. There's a lot of people that are in it exists only in that world like they just live and eat and breathe comedy. They don't have any any other outlet and that's fine if that works for them, that's fine. But that just doesn't work for me. I can't do that. It's too. Too narrow of perspective. All you see is the comedy business, and all you can like relate to is your hierarchy within that. And like it's just obsessive by nature anyway, and. I've always tried to have at least a good part of my life outside of that world. Yeah. I mean, you have to have some other form of release. This business make you fucking not. Yeah, no doubt about it. You know, and like hockey for whatever reason is an aggressive enough outlet for me too. It's it's all consuming starting to cut you off? No, no, it's it's consumes you enough that you can't think about? I'm never playing hockey in worrying about work thing about comedy. I'm just thinking about hockey. Nothing else. It's like that's part of what I love about it. Is it such a team sport and. Have to be present. Yeah, and I just it's there's a lot of layers to hockey, like there's such a lack on on there. It's a brotherhood bike. Yeah. And that's why even like watching hockey just because it's football, you'll see a quarterback at a late hit, and you might see a line lineman pushed the guy a little bit. But in hockey, if you cheap shot, said the kings on Jaco Petar you got three kings going after that guy like right away. You're not going to do that to argh. I, I just love that. Commod ary. Yeah. 'cause you don't see that in comedy? I play an old guys league. We don't hit. Yeah. Well, when you get to our. I love it. I'm not willing to sacrifice my living getting hurt. You can't make sense yet. You weren't too much. We can't do it, but that is a, you know, it's funny. I don't play as much as I used to because you know. If I'm on a TV show that week, I'm like, I can't take the risk of getting hurt. Yeah, that'd be brutal to miss out on a gig because of, well. I mean, when you're at my fame level, which is basically no fame. Hey, you're number two. Well, it's recent that just happened. But in terms of overall fame, I'm pretty. I, I'm pretty low on the totem pole a real list so that you know is guys can't play. I have to film Showtime thing tomorrow. I, I can't take the risk wrenching my back. Right, and they were so neither. Like why? No man. Well, well, it's a gig. Yeah. Something I'm working toward like if you were doing cash cab and like, you know, you got hurt and you said, hey, I can't come in. They asked me twenty mention the last time. We were shooting like a couple months back. They were like, could you just not play hockey. Until we're done shooting. Yeah. Like if you took a puck to the face. God forbid like lost seventeen or whatever they couldn't film you'd be maybe wouldn't be fired because you were you were the show I wouldn't be fired, but it would be it'd be terrible for a lot of people. I threw my back out one year shooting not playing hockey or anything, but we had to shut down production shutdown for nearly a month, and there was all lot of people out of temporarily out of work, but we need to keep them around for when we're starting again. So it was a little bit of a nightmare on the insurance side of things. I didn't realize about the doctor that I went to see who helped me allies. Great doctor osteopath which I recommend to people who have back problems always because people like they'll do an x. Ray and they'll go have two crushed disks cause of my pain. Not necessarily. I have two crushed disks and I have no back pain. Well, I had a whole totally different scenario on those causing my back pain, but that doctor was great. And I felt really badly because then he got into shit storm of like he got questioned by the insurance companies and like because there's a lot of money on the line for everyone to still be getting paid sure. While while they were waiting for me to be well enough to shoot again. So that kind of sucked. And that's what I was training for triathlon. And it was kind of ridiculous of me to be doing that while I was shooting show six days. Right? So let's kinda on me, but yeah, but I mean, you know, you were the show. You know, thanks, man. What's you know? They? They can't do Allieu. They'd have a hard time as we approve this last year. We just did. We just the last new one just aired we've made been making new cash cabs for the last two years again. And what's the future? Like we're back to the waiting game. You know, our last episode just aired and our like, all right, we're gonna re up. It is crazy when it's just the whole just TV man. Are you going? Are we gonna make more? Are we going to wait around? You know, it's like I was on a show time show that just got cancelled and that sucks. What shows that I'm dying up here? Oh, yeah, that's right. Man. I mean, it was sucks. Got cancelled. It was awesome, but it was like my first look into the other side of the business where it's like, well, good show. You know, it's Melissa. Leo's won an Oscar and in all the actors on amazing and they all work. And you know, just. You know, it just didn't really catch viewers, but still very critically acclaimed. Yeah, I thought it was great. And I know couple of guys, Angie, oh, sin, Ariel, and Erik Griffin, and how magical and Al and the actors on Jake lacy and are a house. This show getting canceled, but big brother's on its. Twenty season. What are you gonna do. I don't know, make a reality show and get in on that game. Would you feel all right with that though, or would you I would rather have a rather make show like cash cap? No, like I'm dying up here and feel great about what I'm doing. I'm happy to make more cash cats. I mean, as opposed to like big brother. I mean, it's tough. I. You know, that's a shame. I didn't know. It shows cancelled. Yeah, they just it's the word came last week and say, wow, this is. When you see what's out there on TV I just don't. I don't understand it. I mean you've been in the game along time like a while? Yeah, I mean order of a century. Good. Golly. I mean, not what? What's your secrets along Javadi in this business? Probably the the, the idea of having a life outside it. Having things to do that are not related to getting not existing completely in show business, but having a world of of other things where I can go and. Jeez year. Come back to it when when you have to. And I don't know. And like. Realizing that the only path you have to follow in this business is your own progress. Right? There's no hierarchy. There's no, if I get this, then I get that there's no. Oh, after this many years, I'll be promoted to whatever there's no path. There's only your path right in the only the only real path that you can create for yourself that will be reliable and consistent. Is your own progress as a performer as a comedian, or musician, or whatever, whatever it is that's the only. Realistic accurate path that you can go buy to be stick to that and you diligent and you keep an open mind any work hard. You can move along that path regardless of what's going on around you, which almost net needs to be that because you have zero control over what's going on around you and crazy shit's going to happen. You know, when I started in comedy, there was no, there's no such thing as reality TV. Right? And then like, oh, now now you have a TV show and I'm like, it's great. It's a little bit of a of a joke almost because it's like you have sodas, a sodas, the butcher, and the guy that makes cupcakes and the everybody every you've got your own TV show. But so does everyone else who never meant TV show, you know, it's, it's just changed so much as my point that you could never see that coming on. And if you were so focused on one aspect of the business or just the business it self than that could. The thing that change like that could just blindside you and you could feel like throwing on towel win, but if you're not completely zoned into that stuff and you're ready to kind of take the hits as they come roll with it and keep your eye on getting better as at what you do, then that stuff bounces off of you instead of instead of taking you down, you know? Oh yeah, that was my problem for a while. So why is this person get in this l. yeah. An exact same theory applies to that. People you like, how did that guy or whatever. Yeah, you can't think about that stuff. It's hard though. It wasn't necessarily a jalousie, but it was just to show what this person. Right, right. I'm not saying that was better, but I was on their level. I'm doing an open mic tonight and they're on. I don't know. Conan or what? Right? Yeah. See, I still feel that way. I'm twenty five years in pretty accomplished. I still feel the exact same way guys that I started with. I'm like, why am I at the improv club? Oh, sure. Great. But you know, my friends are at Carnegie Hall. The plane arenas. It's like, all right. So and even those guys among those guys, there's a, you know, nobody feels like they're right at the top and everybody wants to. Yeah. I mean, I guess. I still I'm probably close to twenty years and I still don't know what making it means right to an open mic or I've probably made it to me. You've made it right to you? Baby. Adam sandlers made it. Yeah. I'm sure to Russell Peters. I don't know who he would look up to, but I'm sure I think in bad for you might be right? Yeah. You never like he might. He's a fan. He's a big comedy fan. Russell? He he, I think he looks up to a lotta guys as performers. Yeah, ends up taking them out on the road to open for him, which is pretty funny and generous and cool of him. Oh my God is I met him once and we actually bonded over kiss. All right. He's a big, kiss fan, huge kiss fan, couple of weeks later, Paul Stanley was at the house of blues with his solo band. He just calls me up. I don't know how we got my number. I'm gonna take you to see Paul and I were with the same agency. Let me take you to dinner like I'm a horrible time except in things and they don't want help. Well, I'll take it, but I want to give something back if you said, hey, I know Gede Simmons. Let me take you to dinner or something Russell's. Now let me take you to dinner, and then we'll go to the laugh actor afterwards, get you in there but. And it's hard to ask. Right? But what do you need? Yeah, but I, I just love. I wish everyone like Russell. He's a good dude, man. Oh, he's just like he's successful and him. And like. People like David Spade or like there are good people in this business. Yeah. Hell, yeah. I don't know David Spade, but I've actually heard just recently somebody was talking about a good guy. He's very generous and I don't mean like giving people things like material things, but just like open for me on the road or you know, stuff like that. So you know, it's nice to. I've always heard good things about you. You know, it's too good to know. You know, oh, and it's nice to be lights. Another thing that you can get caught up in, is this feeling of of being left out or you. It's amazing what you can do in your own head. If you're obsessing about something about your status in the business or about, you know, it's easy to feel like you've been left behind when really, no one's thinking of it that way. I still deal with that stuff on some level, you know, like. People are are, you know, I got into this kind of by accident, although it was clearly my calling. I wanted to get into film. I wanna I moved out here to get into film. I wanted to make movies and act in visa, just always loved movies. And so now you know, I know people that are in the movies and I know people that are doing that. I'm not really doing that yet. I'm still trying to break into that and it just it can. It can be really frustrating as we were saying that goes through all the way to the top. Everybody, everyone feels that way. Why would say not working? Oh, yeah. And we're also like this might be a bit of a negative statement, but you know the business better than I do like we're almost in the worst category ever like older white guys, like I kind of just normal. We're normal looking guy. We're good looking guys, we're not. Yeah, we're not. Crazy out there in any category. Really. We're not like it almost pays to be like obese. You know. So you can play the wacky neighbor or like someone like Michael Richards with the hair. You know, the crazy hair, you know, it's funny. You're right. It's easier on the other side of this business. If the person the talent sort of fits into a category, right? Like if you and if if you're material fits with your look, I never thought about it that way. So we better. It's always, yeah, it. But to me, I always just been organic. I think this is funny. This thing occurred to me that I think is funny. So I'll talk about that. I was never. I never tried to package myself over or, you know, I guess some people do that. They're like, this is what I look like. So I'll try to build my act sort of around dad and and it makes them more Castell if if they have like a character that they are, you know, I mean, I looked probably like a weezer fan, but I'm talking about metal and as well. This isn't really add up. So you're not a weezer fan. I love love weezer. They get. I like bans comics band. Like I went to weezer couple of weeks ago at the form, and you know, buddy Holly's are big, hit. And they started the show with buddy Holly. Right. That's a great move. That's a great move. Everyone's in where the gate, here's a song you wanna hear. Now we're going to do what we wanna do. Right? And they have a lot of hits, but yeah, buddy Holly's their most iconic it and I just you could tell. They're like, we're metal heads were closeted metal fan, so we're going to do a Ozzy Osbourne cover. They didn't cover, you know that song take on take on me. I was gonna say it has to be that one. You have another. Greatest hits album. Just twenty versions of on me. Take on me take on me again. Yeah, take on me. Acoustic. Take on also. I would love to see kiss start off with rock and roll all night. And then now what right. So. That's interesting to like weezer. They knew what the crowd wanted that came out and did it. What do they play next? Did they? Well, their next song was in that sweater song they had that that was a few songs later. The second sign they go right into it was Beverly Hills, which is I that song it was if I heard it, I would. Yeah, yeah, it was, but it's kinda mocking the people from, you know, from Beverly Hills. Well, to do neighborhoods, it's like a ballsy to to make fun of rich people in basically the neighborhood that you know, there's a lot of people at this concert from Beverly Hills, probably, right. I don't care, right. You know, it's like I saw band called bowling for soup, which is kinda like the the nineties cheap trick. Like they should be bigger, but they're not right. Same. They're really funny and they're kinda just fun pop songs and about forty minutes in the whole crowd at the Rockies singing everywhere to every song. And then the singer, hey, we're going to do to new songs. So wanna take shit. Now it'd be the one of off to the bar. Some shit you don't care about. I love whether to comic. You know, ban like, I love that this is what we're gonna do this who we are like it great. I would've stayed. I would've at least been like, you've got me. I wanna hear this stuff. You know first song didn't. I mean that crowd was so hot for them. They could saying the phone book and the crowd left happy, but I maybe didn't get the the greatest response. These, like assume, as I told you, I told you guys go take shit. So we got one more song. If you still got to make a bowel movement. Do you find it hard when you're doing stand up because you're so known for cash cab. Is it almost it's probably. Torch bearer and and like does it, it's both. Yeah, it is it and I don't find it as hard now as I did at the time. Because what happened is my audience just changed. Suddenly I had a bigger audience because you know having cash cab put asses in the seats, but they were different audience too. And they weren't people that by and large, obviously there's exceptions, but they weren't people that were comedy. Watchers, they weren't people that went would go to stand up shows. Right? So they would come out to my show often be their first time at a comedy club or comedy show in theater or wherever. And they would just they wouldn't totally understand kind of what the I mean. It seems pretty simple and obvious to us. We've been in business for a long time, but they just like some of them thought I would be asking trivia questions like they thought he's going to do a live version of cash cab, you know, right. And, and I used to have this delivery where I would come out and I'd be like. Good evening do this like very deliberate, slow deliberate, almost announcer voice, which had evolved over twelve years of of hitting clubs in New York every single night. And it turned into this thing that works really well. When people that knew me as the cash cab guy would come out to the shows, they would kind of be like, what is he doing. You know if I was doing my act in that same old voice, they were like, they didn't get it. They didn't know why. Why is the guy on the TV talking differently? Right. And so I had it was really tough for a while. I would get angry at them like what's going on my my tried and true stuff isn't working like it's supposed to and there and they seem disappointed in. So there's definitely a struggle. In the long run, it made me a better performer because I could roll with like yet. Another scenario that's less than ideal, but but it's tough. It was tough time, you know, and there's not a lot of sympathy from people when you're like, yeah, all my fans from my show or coming out and it's fucking up my pencil. Did you have to you're selling out shows? We don't. We have no sympathy at all. Make us laugh. Monkey man. Yeah, totally. Well, I mean, and people in the business and everybody is I, they don't wanna hear your complaints when you're when you're kind of at the top there or at least feeling like that. You know when when the show was winning Emmys and I was selling all these shows and like everything was kinda great. There's not a lot of sympathy from people. You could get it from people who had experienced the same stuff. You know, a guy like Bob sagging who? Yeah, who dealt with, you know, he's supposed to be this father figure, but his standup is very smart, but also filthy. Put you in a tough spot. Oh, a lot of people sitting around waiting to console you over your of your problems. You know, he's probably the best example like he has pulse amendments, full house, the Olsen twins. And like I remember once I was on stage at the comedy store, I think I did an aids joke and I saw them in the crowd on whole man. I'm sorry, Mr.. Sagging. I don't really joke about aids. Yeah, I'm really sorry. And he pulled me aside after I loved it. He likes dark. Yeah, I saw Jay Leno wants her Bosa and kind of dirty for him. Right? Yeah, more than you'd expect. Right. And it was like, wow, and I guess, you know, when you're at your level and their level. Just fans want the guy on TV. What if that's not you, your stand up. Yeah, it's a weird little gap that I didn't see coming, you know, because you, you just have this clear idea in your head. You're like one day if all goes well, get a TV show and then I'll sell out shows and then I'll get everyone will love me get parts of movies and then then you get it and then you get the first part the show and it's not. It doesn't all fall into place quite like you had hoped that actually gets harder. Yeah, instead of kidding easier. That's the crazy thing is the more successful you get. I've experienced a tenth of what you have it. It's getting harder. You get harder? Yeah. When there's expectation, all of a sudden there's expectation when there was none before. Yeah, even when I'm on Twitter now I'm like, oh, well, been on a few TV shows recently. Maybe I shouldn't tweet this out. Do you have to censor yourself now like not that you are wile man on Twitter, but like you know, like, have you ever like? I'm not really a wild man or like a, I don't say, shocking things or offensive things generally anyway, you know, kind of a more tame person in that in general. So it's not like I'm policing my self, but I've been right where you were with that where I'm like, you know what? This is. This isn't in in reality. This isn't bad or offensive what I'm thinking about posting, but could it be sort of perverted into that? Could someone see at the wrong way or so? Yeah, I, you know, sometimes I don't post something because I'm, I think someone might take it the wrong way or through so many police out there now on Twitter or answer Graham. Whereas. Get the cash, cab guy. Yeah, get him. We can bring him down. Well, I find that people love taking people down who are successful? No, yeah, for sure, you know and they'll look up a tweet. You may air Nance reimposed or it's human nature to some extent like you're that movie phenomenon. Absolutely. Travolta plays guy who just becomes a super genius. Yeah. And there's a great scene where Robert divall. As his characters in the bar and everyone in the town is afraid of Travolta's character and what has happened to him in. And they're all just like talking shit about him and and. Robert Duvall his character. I can't remember the characters name gets really angry with them. I think he plays the sheriff for the mayor or something. And he's like smashes his glass against the wall. He's like, why you gotta tear him down, screams out of why are you gonna tear him down as just such human nature that someone's like, taking off, everybody wants to pull them down and not be left behind. When really, you know, especially in the scenario like that you should be celebrating other people's success. It's like we're all in the same boat should be happy if somebody's succeeding, not not fearful that you're not gonna make it or whatever. You know, I want my friends to succeed one because I like them for my friends and two, they can help. Totally. I mean, it's a little self serving guess, but like you know, that's, but that's a big difference. Some people, especially in comedy, their dream only include to them right there, like I'm going to be this. I'm going to be that and even their friends around them. They don't, you know, either they don't care or they don't imagine or envision that kind of success for their friends because it's about them excelling above the others as an individual, you know. But I was always like, man, if my friends that are comedians are doing better, that's better for me. Yeah, like there's room for everybody clearly. Now it's obvious. There's room for a thousand times as many communities as there were ten years ago or fifteen years ago. Oh my God. I mean, I mean, I'm fifteen years ago specialist like the biggest deal in the world. And now it's now Netflix just announced forty, seven new specials. All people that I haven't heard of which is partially because I keep myself sequestered from a lot of that stuff. Good for you. I don't, but also also just because they're they're new people and they're like, there's that many comedians out there that I know they wanna go international, but the point is what you were saying. It's a special, isn't what it used to be. There's, oh, no, they make a hundred of them a year or so. And that's just Netflix? Yeah. I mean, comedy central. I know my friend Sarah on just got a special. You know, and then the late night talk shows. I mean you've been on tonight show you've been on the Carson Daley. I mean, yeah, I never did Letterman which was what I wanted to do when I started out think everyone that was like everyone's goal at that time, it was the place to get to never made it seem to not coolest, but I, I would love to do just 'cause humor was appreciated, more just lonely. Dryer stand up arena. I think. You know? Yeah. Do what was your very first time on TV has a stand up. That's a good question. I think I did late Friday. Oh, wow. NBC late Friday, maybe or. No, I did. I can't remember the order of things I did star search. Star search was the first time I did stand up on TV. I think when our CEO is the. Oh, wow. Yeah. And what I mean, I made it to the end, but I didn't win who won John. Pensin no, John, John ROY. Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember I knocked John reap out and then I lost John ROY and then like twelve years later something I'd turn on the TV too, just randomly in a hotel just at the perfect moment to see John reap win last comic standing. I remember that guy from star search. John ribs is the best he's crate. I saw him here l. a. like probably a year ago now or something. We were laughing about way back when doing star search. It was their star search or or that late Friday. That I was on as a stand up. The first thing I ever did on TV. Period was acting and it was mad TV. Oh, just a guest role. I played a security guard at a casino. And we'll Sassa was doing Tom Jones. He's awesome. And he was like groping a woman at the casino and I came over to break it up. I was like, oh, it's you Mr. Jones. And that was the whole gag was like, he just got away with what everyone because he was Tom Jones. Oh my, I mean, while you couldn't do that sketch, I don't think you can do that one anymore. So home it was funny though is really funny. He was like super tan and had the curly wig in like these. Awesome. It was great. That's why it'll be interesting. I speak at a Netflix. I know they're doing a motley Crue movie. Oh, really ought to know that it's just like, how do you portray that band? Twenty teen to make sure movement. I mean, yeah, you know. But we'll say, I mean, I don't know who they got to play Vince Neal, but hopefully they got Vince Neal to play Vince Neal. I think I think they got Tara Reid. And Joyce to wiz, Mick Mars. That's pretty good casting. I have an eye for cast and I would have also had rec- Tommy Lee, I'd say Ashton Kutcher. Okay. Tommy Lee be very flattered by that? Yeah, good looking guy and or maybe you know, in a certain aspect John. Well, I mean, Ashton Kutcher should be pleased. Yes, he should of seen the porno. And then see, Johnny Knoxville is Nikki six that works and Paul giamati has doc McGhee their manager right. No, Paul giamati would be happy with that role, but it's done. You just finished? Well, if you just cast the whole thing, if I don't make up course, I'll put myself in the MO. You gotta put yourself in their. Yeah, I'll play Liberace when he saw Starwood guy. You look great. Now, do you find it hard? We talk about when you did stand up in fans of your show? Come on. He's not doing bits from the show, you know? Like, why is he asking trivia questions when you go into an audition for say movie or another TV show because you've been on law and order and shows like that. Do you find they look, oh, it's the cash camp? No, I find. I look at me and they go. He doesn't look like, I thought he looked right. They look, I began. It's partially just because like I have my head shaved on the show lighting. Knock rate in the cab? No makeup, no. You know. No, I just don't look like they thought I would be. Maybe I'd be going in for stuff for like heavyset guys, big heavyset bald guys, and that's just not what I look like in person. So they'd kind of be like, oh. I remember one was like, well, you great audition and I'm like, but she's like, you don't look. You don't look this part. So that's a gap that I need to. I've been working on figuring out how to fill that is like I need to at least look like the stuff I'm going in for right. If you don't look like the guy that they're picturing you don't have, you could hit it out of the park and one in a million times they might go, let's change the character. So you know, because this guy did it so well, is that more you're Agenor man, like you representational. Do you go to them and then go, y, you sending me out on back I or like no, I think, well, they would send me out on lots of different stuff, but the. And you know it was actually due in part to one on agent at the time. This was going back a while at this point, but. I haven't been auditioning for stuff much lately. I would imagine you wouldn't have to almost. It's like I would imagine a cast in drugs. We need this about him Bailey like you're so known that, I guess, in some ways it helps and hurts. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't really know. I don't. You know. I can only see it from my side and I don't understand the workings of the other side when it comes to me. But. Maybe. I mean, I've had, I offers to play me. Do you want or play a game show host or like a a mediator in a trivia competition, the college, right? But it's basically the, they're offering me a chance to play myself in a movie, and I'm like. I've turned down some of those because I'd I'm already seen as that guy that trivia host guy enough. I already feel like I'm fighting against that. I don't wanna like instill even more and people's minds by playing that same character in them. But and sometimes now I'm like, shit. I should have probably should've taken that. I haven't gotten another role since then or NFL m- at least, but I don't know. I still feel maybe that was the right call. Oh, sure. I mean, you never know like. I'm always been fascinated by roles. People turned down and then you know, later on they regret it was Burt rentals turned down Indiana Jones. You know, Tom Selleck turned on Indiana Jones and the thank God. They did right. I see Birt's take on Bert. Burtt would definitely fit in there. Either. One of them would have probably done a great job, but it wouldn't have been the same. It wouldn't have had the. You know, I always Ford pretty much. Oh, he killed. He couldn't. He couldn't have filled that role anymore. Any better than he did, but I have. I'm like, I loved Timothy, Dalton, his JAMES BOND. Virtually nobody did. Right? Yeah, you're on the shortlist there because he was too I to me, he was just too good of an actor and this guy, you know, you're not really like Roger Moore was doing schtick and the humor, right? Which I liked. You know, you could tell him Don was just like a classically trained, you know? Broadway thespian. And did he do to? He did too. And then I think he only got them because Pierce Brosnan was in Remington Steele in a contract. I really get out only couldn't get out crate show. I loved Remington Steele and it's I love stories like that because I know like ROY Scheider was in deer. Hunter? Yeah, for like two weeks. And then he, he wanted to get out of his contract so bad with universal. They said, we'll let you. Out, but you have to do jaws to right now. Oh, it got pulled from deer hunter to joss to which. You we talk about things. You wish you would've done. You wouldn't have done. Yeah, man. I mean, he had the DO so right. Imagine how different that film would have been. I love ROY. Scheider I love ROY. Scheider too. I mean, definitely. I mean, it's hard to argue how much do you love ROY. Scheider. I'm such a ROY Scheider fan helicopter blue steel thunder, blue thunder. My favorite movie of all time. Blue steals different blue seal was with Jamie Lee, Curtis and Ron silver on silver blue thunder. I have like a real. I really wish I could make money off the stupid knowledge in my head. Maybe I should go and cash. Yeah, you should come on my show. Yeah. If you have an eighties straight, he's movie episode. I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. I will keep your name on the shortlist for that. Go. I'm sure cash cab. We be great if we did like specific. You know, John, you know if we change it up a little bit, like I was walking to a move on episode where it's all about movies. Oh, it's all ports an episode where it's all about, you know, I mean, I saw I was walking on Hollywood Boulevard one day, and I saw the sky and we locked eyes. I just when he knew I knew he was and it was just speak Mun from that Jeff, speak Mun. He did like that. Karate Vic, the perfect weapon. Perfect weapon. IN. You're the perfect weapon, speak, man. I love that movie and he looks at me as you're about the only one. Is that what he said? He just roundhouse to you in the face. It's just walked away. You're about the only one that sucks because I get excited to meet someone like him. Like Tom Cruise could walk by me, man. It's Tom Cruise. I love seeing character actors on the street. It happens out here man. Well, yeah, equinoxes. Yeah, I'm not gonna out the members there because you know my place, say fob. Jogos there. I saw him there the other night. Yeah, I worked in on. He was hogging fifty pound dumbbells. That's all he does. I I've studied his routine. He's usually a little chair to see hawks number twenty, four, Seahawks jersey. I don't know who number twenty four is and he's got these cargo pants on. He'll do a set of fifty pound curls, and then he'll walk around talk to Horace for forty minutes. I wasn't watching them closely enough to know, but why just zone out sitting in that chair for a while and I had to twice I had to working with the dumbbells he was using equinoxes you're doing it right band, dude him. I love that. Jim. I zone out when I'm in there though, and I put my headphones on because if I listened to the music that they play on horrible. Well, I work out. I would throw myself from the window like I, it's cruel and unusual, man. Let's when I saw you today. They're like, I think that's been. I wanna say something, but you look pretty focused. I was I was in the zone trying to, you know. And if it wasn't you Rattigan I used to be a gym rat. You tell. So when I come out here, I'm like, I'm getting back into the gym rat. I'm gonna hit. I'm gonna go there every day while I'm here. Now. Are you primarily based in New York? Yeah, I I'm out here like maybe ten days a month, something like that. And when you're in New York, I find New York to be a better comedy city. More clubs, more rooms and they're closer together. Yeah, you could walk. Yeah. I mean, the last time I was there for comedy festival. I did like six spots and night. And you get paid for most? Yeah, out here. It's like we fought for that. We formed a coalition years ago fought for the for the pay to go up in the clubs in how do we want. Yeah, no, thank you. Awesome. It was so great. But I mean, that's kind of like what I'm dying up here was the, the plot was basically the comics fighting to get paid more in. Is that happened here at the store? What back in fact, in the seven, these we're talking like the Tom Driessen era. Yeah, you know, when I know Tom is a great. Oh Thomas, like I think my first year in comedy, I was pretty green and to be honest, pretty bad. I mean, I good gun. Oh, he was. I sent him a VHS tape of me bombing in a coffee house. I was horrible gotten doing the worst show on earth. I mean, literally, I think one of the jokes was I'm writing a book on astrology and Liberace. It's called how to find your anus. That's horrible. It's that what he said, no, that's what I'm saying. Okay. I sent on the tape. Watts it and the looks at me as. You haven't done this long. Have you. And it wasn't trying to be a dick? No, he's just keep writing. Keep writing keeping. Yeah, he was like one of the ones who are like to Mitzi and like, hey, we need to get paid and she was like, all the payment is the stage time. And yeah, that's kinda, you know how that whole thing started in the improv kind of like the bloods and the Crips. Is that what it was like a New York, like in New York? It was basically. We just kind of a one day. We were like, man, we're getting. We're working so hard and and clubs are packed and we're not making enough to cover our cat fair to get you know which we have to do because it's the only way to go and you have all these spots lined up, always different clubs. You can't drive nor to park. You can't take public transportation, you're not gonna make it so. It was like, we gotta take cabs and I can hardly can't even pay for my cat fair. Let alone like the end of the night. You haven't made any money very little hobby spent. If you have an if you're going to have a couple of drinks, you know, you end up spending money, but so he formed a coalition and we had two hundred some comics which at that time we were like, oh my God, I had no idea. There were so many aids. In New York. Now there's probably ten thousand people doing comedy in New York or something. You know it's crazy, but we basically said to the club owners, we're out, we got raise the pay or we're not. We're not doing shows. Was it intimidating like, wow, this, what if they call our bluff? What if the clubs do? Yeah. They kind of did, but they were trying to call our bluff, but we weren't bluffing as it turned out and they, they just found themselves with no one to do shows except a handful of people who are scabs who were like, no, we're gonna. We're gonna cross the line and we're gonna go do shows, but they were all people who hadn't really establish themselves or hadn't even hardly started. And so that didn't really work. And then it was getting close to. I think it was New Year's Eve, which is like the biggest night for them, and they started to cave and say, okay, okay. Okay. All along up until that point. It was like, no, no, we are. We're barely getting by, you know. And then slowly it was like, no nowhere. Okay, we'll we should be paying guys more than one of them agreed to pay, and then the others kind of fell in line. And we looked like five years later or something. We looked back and we, we added up the difference. Like how much more money comedians had been collectively paid in New York City because of that. And at that time it was already. More than two million dollars. That's crazy. And now this is going, you know, that was sixteen years ago or I'm not. I'm not sure exactly how long ago it was, but imagine the difference it's made in all the comedians lives at this point. Like we were like, well, I could. I could buy a sandwich. I could eat. It's not like we're, we're buying houses or penthouse apartments, but. I mean, it's the same out here. It's like, you know, a lot of these popular bar shows don't pay the comics and even out here, it's probably more expensive to get rise. You're gonna drive and you got valet your car. So you know, I, I tried to add up the other night my first fifteen years in comedy, how much money I basically paid to do comedy. Yeah, cost you money, man. Oh, I used to try to San Diego for ten minutes for free, and that's two and a half hour drive five hours total. Probably. For that ten minutes about probably one hundred dollars in gas and food, and it was happy to do it to be honest. Yeah. And did you get paid anything for that? No, nothing, but I'm not gonna store down there and the Hoya or the car. It sounds crazy, but like there was a coffee house and downstairs they had a basement that was like head a, you know, I've never performed at the seller New York, but it was like a seller tied vibe, whereas packed and I was happy to make that five hour round trip drive for ten minutes in front of an audience. Right for me at the time it was, you know, it's like I, I'm certainly not cocky because I don't think everyone the right to be cocky. Stage time is important at whatever point you are. Oh, for sure. But now it's like if you want me on your show, you got like gas money or something. Yeah, couple of bucks can't cost me money, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, eighteen nineteen years in, you know, to get like twenty bucks for gas. I'm not the greatest businessman. But when was now this. Next question. I I like to be mode of the bathing for comedy, listen. Okay. And you, how long did you struggle before you saw the light at the end of the tunnel. Still struggling? Oh. I mean, I don't know exactly what you mean by the light at the end of the like the realization that, okay, I can do this and I, I can make my living doing this for me. I was thirteen years in got on roast battle on comedy central as well. There that that was my light at the end of the tunnel like, oh shit, the struggle the the open mics shitty drives for no pay was worth it. Who's probably. I don't know when I was twelve years in. I ran into Louis CK at a pizza place in New York. And I was looking miserable and he's like, what's what's the matter with you? And I'm like, I don't know. I just feel like. Dissolve just pointless. I'm just running circles chasing my tail and I've been doing twelve years and you know, couple of little bites of this and that, but nothing that's making me feel secure and and like like, I've succeeded at all and he goes, he goes, I still feel exactly the same way. I've been doing this for eighteen years before he had his huge success, but still he had had some success. He had the lucky Louie by then which was his first Louis show. But that gave me that was a great thing for him to say to me because it gave me perspective and it made me understand that I might never really feel like I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. But I felt pretty secure and pretty solid in the business when when cash cab got picked up the second time, I think and. It was like, all right, I can sustain this. I can. I can still can be a headlining comic. I can work the good rooms and make a living in and becomes able and I don't have to like, I don't have to sweat my rent. For the first time in my life. I'm not shitting myself. Trying to figure it out, pay the bills at the end of the month. You don't have to go down to San Diego for ten minutes. Yeah, and I'm not well and for me. Well, for me it was like I would take road gigs to make the money and I would charge the travel because I didn't have the money to pay for the travel charged the travel and stuff to credit cards. And then by the time, the money from the gig came in, I had to use it to pay my bills and the credit card debt. So it was just mounting, right? I wasn't paying it. I couldn't. I like when the money from the gigs was not enough to pay my bills and to pay for travel and expenses for doing the gigs. So I was just slowly burying myself and. It wasn't until cash. Cab came along and was secure in and did a special deal for a special. I hosted some other shows and is probably around, then that I kind of was like, I'm going to be okay, you know what you did your special. I think so many people. 'cause I've had friends who've done specials and they just think the next day is going to be calling. Here's a movie deal. Here's here's a developed. Yeah. What you know, because I know we've all heard the story of David Brenner getting the tonight show, which is basically special back then that was the you're a made guy back. Yeah, was days. I think he said literally the next day he had fifty two weeks of gigs. You know, but how was it for you today if you got your special. Some bites. No, nothing. Nothing. I mean, I already had stuff in the works, but it wasn't like anybody called and said, congratulations. Here's what you've won. It was the king of Hollywood. Got a, yeah, exactly. Like scary Perry. Oh, let's scare an hour. Talk. Oh, I thought you were referencing windy city heat when he said. No, he's the president of show business right king of. I mean, I think fancy listen to this show are well-versed in the greatness of Wendy sitting shit is Larry, which is crazy. That's smart. So it's genius. Dom Barra says, who's the king of late night at the comedy store? But you know to twenty six, I've never seen a should say prying last twenty six years. Still going because every person who knows, I know Perry and like he doesn't really think it's real. Those absolute. He does one hundred percent doesn't he? Oh hundred percent like he's still thinks there's going to be a sequel and there might be, I think there should be. Oh, absolutely. I like to be in it me too. You're casting it. You've put us both in it. Maybe you and I could be the, you know, backstreet boy members down on their luck. We're forming a new boy band, a man band. Yeah. There you got Crockett and Tubbs with this material forming a man band. Well, what ultimate loser. Probably maybe that's the new show. He ultimate looser. Wait a minute. What listen I saw, you know, we talked when we first started about some of the shows that are on the air, and I don't understand like I saw the guy one night the comedy, Adam, Richmond, editing who host man vs food. Okay. I just jokingly said, hey, I've got an idea for a show that should go on right after man versus food. And he kinda tell to said, what is it? It's called man vs toilet. He didn't like blow me off right away. Once the idea like, well, you have twelve porta potties. You have a scale at the bottom of them. It's a competitive eating show where people just engorged themselves and the person shits lease gets kicked off that way. Hey, didn't really say no. No. Thought about it. Like when you're trying to get shows like I'm sumit you pitch shows, and yeah, and like. Couple in developing right now, but it isn't. I strayed into try and figure out what what executives want in this era. I try not to look at it that way. Still. I still want my ideas to be good or organic, like I'm inspired to to make them like if something occurs to me that it's a good idea that I'm like, all right, I want. I'm going to try this one. Maybe people are going to be like, we don't give a shit about that idea because we're more interested in this or that, but whatever that's not I can't. I can't try to force my creativity to suit what someone else might want. I just can't do it to me defeats the purpose of being of creating to begin with. That said, I'm in a position where I can pick and choose a little bit. So I'm fortunate in that in that way, but. Like what you're saying definitely speaks to the atmosphere. The landscape out there right now is people are are ready to look in the least likely places for this could be a great show. I was at a pitch meeting. I was pitching show. That's like people have made similar show since I'm not saying people stole it from me. Clearly a marketable shows about me being on the road as a comic and trying to eat healthy and like getting a writing different town and trying to find the good places to eat. And it is tough. It is hard man, especially at the end of the night. You're in the middle of nowhere. Like what the fuck him. I gonna eat its share stake in shake or Taco Bell a waffle house. I, it's like I drink vegetable juice and like I try to eat healthy and keep myself l because I like to feel good, you know, and it's very hard when you're in the middle of fucking nowhere like that. So I thought it was a pretty. This is going back several years. And at the time it was kind of a pretty. It was a new idea and a, I thought, a good one for show. But so before I get get to pitching the show in this meeting, we're talking about how everybody's gotta show, and I say to these guys that I'm pitching to. So yeah, I know. I mean, and I tell them the true story of how I was taking a bunch of stuff to the recycle bin, the recycle center, recycle bin. And while I'm there, this guy drives garbage truck is pitching me a show. Right? Which I thought it was hilarious that the garbage that guy, the garbage man's pitching show the people in the meeting they lit up. They want. They didn't want to hear my idea anymore. They wanted to hear. They thought I was there to pitch them. The show that this garbage man had pitched me and they were excited about that when I told him no, no, no, that's not the show I'm here to pitch. They're like. They were more interested in a show that a garbage man wanted to pitch them. Then the show that I been Bailey wanted to pitch them because that's where that's where they were looking. People were finding these little gems that turn into these big shows at cost next to nothing to produce. You know, that's where everybody's looking. I don't even know what the show was that he wanted to pitch. Probably this third season it might be they might. They might have gone out to the guy, you know? I mean, that was the first show I was on roast battle. Literally started in an empty belly room. Two comics wanted the fist fight each other and Brian Moses. Who was it was an open mic. There's no one, they're right and Brian Moses. You guys can't fight here once you guys insulted each other slam each other. Yeah, I'm not sure the exact word any said. And so they did. It is pretty funny next week to comics like, hey, can we do that too? And then the next week, that's how Ross battle started. Yeah. I mean, literally and now it's in its, I think, upcoming four season. It's now it's in Canada, Mexico on comedy central. Yeah. So it was like, that's why I never shit on anyone's idea for show. Yeah. Well, you never know what's going to what's gonna hit man. It's never been more true than it is now and so much of the end ustry on roast battle. I could tell, you know, because when it was starting to gain a little bit of steam and for you know, third week fifty people in the room, and then you know, fourth, we seventy people, and then it was standing room only for years still is, and you could tell the industry would come in and who's gonna watch to open mic and salty chiller. And then they kept coming back, kept home, maybe a lot of people everybody. Yeah. I mean, I had no idea. It was such a big thing. Roast battle. Yeah. I mean, I. It's done a lot for me. Cool. But you know, Tex Ross, right? Isn't it? Jeff Ross can't Jeff got on television. You know, it's, it's still going strong. Five, never in LA. Comedy show. Usually fizzles out seven. Eight months. Okay, let's that was fun. What's next? Yeah. I mean, it's LA I'm sure New York. It's similar. New York doesn't have as many maple. Maybe it does now and I don't know it, but in my experience doesn't have as many sort of off shoot. Not classic. Russ stand up kinda shows. There's there's a lot of those. There's not as many that are kind of. Spin offs. You know, I mean out here you have killed Tony, which is great, right and enrolls battles. Kinda. Not a sister show to that, but you know, similar type roasting show. And the funny thing to me about Ross battle was it started off as like an anti all show like all comics, shit on it, like that's not comedy. Right? And then once it got on television, you had all comics wanting to get and they wanna get on there. Oh yeah. Oh, show where we don't want to be alternative to success. Yeah, on television. Oh yeah. You know, to me, it's all comedy. Ben, I can't. Thank you enough. I apologize. I'm looking at my phone. I'm not trying to signal that. We know please just a message popped up there and do your thing. You got to make a call, make the call. I do not have to make a call because you didn't have to come down here and you dead, hey, I appreciate you having me. It's very last minute, man. Well, Jonathan brand Stein set this up, so thank you. Jonathan. Yeah, he's the one who's messaging me right now. Manager extraordinaire. Yeah. Could do. You know, I love you know people like, Jonathan, you just such a character phone with him. He's like, okay, okay. Hang hang, hang on. Hang hang on for one second. Just let me hold. I just wanna just hang on for one second for like for like five minutes. I'm like, okay, the first time I talked to him, I thought it was bad reception. So as John, let me call you back on a landline because I actually had so do I. I'm a big fan of the landline. I, I tell say, here's two numbers my cell phone, blah, blah, and here's my landline number their landline. What are you still on AOL. Yeah, actually, yeah, I've got mail, so thank you in all seriousness coming down. You bet. Thanks for having me. Man, credibly, busy you? Yeah, it's it's where I don't think I've ever done an episode where it's my introduction. Yeah, hi. How are you? Let's sit down and software to show. Let me ask you questions while I look at your Wikipedia page. Totally. Where had pro while my visions horrible. I, I take into equinoxes put it on the elliptical to really people look at me like in the biggest fucking loser because I'm basically watching the TV on my elliptical, but poor vision where what's in the future? What do you got coming. Where people can support you something that I can't think of right now. Surely something I have a bunch of stand up appearances coming up where New York now all over the place that's have a look here. How about this your website? Yeah, my website is the real Ben Bailey dot com. It go there for all bins tour dates info on his upcoming shows, answering my Email list. There's will on, yes, please support Ben and I do. I'm real Ben Bailey on all social media. So Twitter, Instagram, follow him cash, cabs, great show people about possible future seasons. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we kinda think so we're not. We just haven't heard yet learn in the waiting waiting phase. So. This is inappropriate. All sound cloud night tunes Lieber. Do you have your own podcast? I the podcast called tall, but true. We don't have new episodes coming, but right now, but we do in the next couple of months, but they can find Alder episodes on itunes. Yes, they can. Yeah. So please support that leave a review for that. I don't think people realize how important reviews are too. Yeah, yeah. They're big time in all kinds of. You know algorithms to crack the code. You don't have to hack into items, but it helps if people leave reviews. Absolutely. So bend, thank you again, very much. Say best of luck to you buddy. All NATO with my act, continue to win hockey trophies from, you know to come. I wish I had more Emmys like you. You've got Emmys. I'll trade you one EMMY for many of those. Do you have total? I'll tell you what it. That's how you get an EMMY. I'll give you those six right there. I don't think I can legally do that. I am a little bit envious of your hockey trophies for sure. Believe me. I'm more envious of your Emmys. Well, maybe all get one. Maybe Benepe Amanda show it could happen. Maybe we could do. I don't know a reboot of Miami vice. I'm in Crockett and Tubbs him in Philip, Michael Thomas, the work is how are you on the number one show all time and you don't work after maybe didn't want to or he he saved us money. Does you have a habit possible? Last time I saw on TV was doing. Diving with the stars. It was even worse than that. It was real showing. Oh, I don't doubt it to different networks. Had celebrity diving shows in the works at the Saint that psych when they what was like, it was nineteen eighty nine. You had three movies about submarines, right? Leviathan with Peter Weller. Karenna the s don't fuck with mother nature. I love richer Trente grabs a great movie Rambo guys, the first one you're sending that many men in there against John Rambo, one thing you better bring. What's that whole lot of bodybags over John. Over. More losses. Berry losses. Mine in Phnom didn't even know it cancer eight into the bone. John come on home, you've done a lot of damage here. Do I not me kingship cop, Brian Dennehy by the way, Dan, he's great an movie, love that guy, a Miami vice tie-in. His best friend was the chubby detective, swipe tech. Remember the bug guy who would always plan all the buzz. He literally had those guys were buddies. He and best friends after Miami vice. The only roles Michael Talbot could get would be the ones Bryant in Haywood give him well proof that there are good people, and then he had a move back to Idaho. So shame top business, then he's awesome. Yeah, he's still, I just saw something. He's like that new 'em it Walsh of this generation just I'm m Walsh Amine just the fact that he was in red scorpion with dolph longer, and thank you very much land. Scorpion I gotta get outta here. I could talk eighties when I was going to bring up Cobra. You brought me to Cobra with that. This podcast just got extended for. Do you remember the the, the robot photo, shoot, montage with Brigitte Nielsen Cobra. I remember the song that was playing in the row. Angel in the city, the city nice call. One of my remembers that part people remember the movie, but nobody remembers that. I'm an idiot. I remember it. That's right before she went downstairs in the elevator and then had to go back upstairs, get the purse and then the night slasher came in. Yeah, the dude who had like he's one of the best bad guys ever. They like stuff shit in his cheeks. No, that was natural was like. Brian Thompson. So over the top, which was awesome. There's an army of them. Clang say they would hit the knives together and that final scene. Yeah, that's right. Even have rights that's like almost. Almost streets of fire, like it's transpiring to be streets of fire. We might have to go another ten. We could just do another one where we talk about. We've rattle off for eighty smoothies. I love that scene streets of fire where he just knocks her out on the train nineteen Eighty-four Walter hill movie, Michael Paret, Michael parade. Maybe one of the most underrated leading men. Ever guy little of that guy man, but that's like, and we could probably have a podcast about comics who should have made it. I'm sure we both know comic sue male and female of wise in this person famous and this person is goes back to like when I would see someone on TV and like you look at Michael Paret in streets of fire, good looking, good actor Yemen, and then that movie was such a bomb, but it's so great, but Diane lane, survived, unscathed. It's so terrible. Awesome. Well, when I was working late night at the sports connection in Santa Monica, Seles job I had was at a gym right. Close to close in. I guess he was filming a movie nearby. He came and said, hey, can I use the jacuzzi like your Tom Cody? And he looked at me like what? My name's Michael. Let's not known this and it's either Tom or Eddie, Tom Cody from streets fire, and he kind of laughed like, can I use the fuckin- jacuzzi, you let them I did the same thing two nights later David Caruso came in and he was a big start, but he didn't mean the same to you though that Mike did because I'm a huge fan of the TV show. Crime story dice clay. I actually knew dice clay from crime story versus stand up originally. And David Caruso arcton same line can use the jacuzzi, I'm like. You're just a punk from the patch, O'Donnell. And he looked at me like what I see, I've done a similar things used to when I was first personal trainer. I worked at this place world gym in New York, and we've got it got to the point where all the trainers were like, we should be. We're making a third of what we're actually earning, you know, like like taking a big chunk. So I went and found another place to train a private place to train, brought my clients with me and stuff, and Laurence Fishburne was training with the guy there too. They were gonna do the second matrix movie, I think. And he was training stewing sword training with this guy. So he was there. Sometimes I, I did a similar thing pass on the stairs. Morpheus, you're live just rolled his eyes and shook his head. He's just like you. I can't help. Couldn't help it either. It just it just came out, you know, we'll see that you're fan of the movie. Cobra I once was at Ralph son. Olympic right outside. Knock Italy plaza. No shit. Yeah. And I'm in there and I see the bad guy from Cobra, no way names, Brian Thompson. He's turned me down three times for the podcast, but I'm not better and I just walk up to him as I check in watermelons or something. Any new. Like I'm literally standing an inch from him, and he just turns to me and I might. You won't kill me. Will you. Even I have rights and he's looking at me like, what are you talking about? I'm like, dude, Cobra he didn't. He didn't know you're no. And then Stallone says to you, this is with the law stops and start. And he just didn't even acknowledge me. Just kind of walked off if you had had a match stick in your mouth. Yeah, that might have done it and the overcoat the gun with the Cobra the Cobra Marion Marion co. And then I also saw the guy, the bad guy, typical eighties, bad guy in Cobra with the bad skin. They didn't really good dermatologist on coke who's in the supermarket, right actually saw him at a supermarket. If I remember that it's the talking about the first scene where I want the median here, man, I'm going to blow this place up. Good shop here right behind the Bud Light sign and Pepsi signed. They knew what they were doing for cash cab. They, they had the sponsors flowing placement, Ben Bailey. You're the best do. This was good fun. Thanks for having me. Please come back. We'll do a movie episode where we can talk about Lou diamond Phillips. In the power of one, the first power I power Jeff, Kober I know Lou. He's awesome. He's a great dude. A lot of love for we have a deal that I never bring that movie up. I'm just kidding, Tom Cruise that was losing it, what's lucid it? This is just the podcast keeps on giving. It's never been busy, but cancel your next appointment to do an hour on losing. We're talking about eighties movies. I believe it's his very first movie where him Jackie Earle Haley from right. Yeah, bad news bears. Yep, Kelly leak. Kelly voice Shak. The second bad news bears might be the most racist movie. It's unbelievable. The whole movie Ahmad the center fielder is I, we're going to the joint man. Black soul concern was going to prison. Jewish guy was handling the money. And of course angle, the fat catcher was just concerned with food, just eating candy bars the whole time. It's tough business because you know, I always thought, wow, he looks a little different than the the original bad news bears, and apparently the first catcher in the OG bad news bears grew four inches. So it wasn't as fat so they didn't want to kick them out. Oh, that's brutal. Hollywood. Engelbert in still played a shitty catcher even if he wasn't that fat, that's that's rough. Support been Bailey. Listen to podcasts. The podcast, please do new episodes coming, but you know, you can still listen to older episodes on I tunes. There's forty of them out there. Yeah. So Ben was very nice. He didn't have to do this. He's leaving to go back home tomorrow, so I appreciate that. And thank you guys for all the love and support, Jonathan Branston. Thank you for setting this up. He just me just getting in. Hang. I love you all.
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The AP Laboratory - Episode 11
Japan. Everybody thinks joining us today Swanson, I'm the lead filming draft aimless for head pride your listening to the laboratory where myself Craig stout. Matt Wayne all get together to talk about last week's game. Look ahead to next week's opponents, and we'll be looking ahead. Oh hot on this episode this week. Obviously the chiefs are about to play the Los Angeles Rams in a big Monday night football game that was supposed to be in Mexico City that game has been moved due to the field looking like my backyard, and they're going to go ahead and just play a regular road game in Los Angeles in the LA, call Siham. So it's it's still going to be a lot of fun. It's a Monday night game. Both teams are nine and one. I don't think I need to tell you that. But Matt and Craig both watching some Rams tape in preparation for this game. So I've got a lot of questions to ask them. And we'll we'll try to give you. You as much info as we can about this team and the task at hand trying to get to ten wins before their by week. And we'll see we'll see what happens. I we. I think we have to talk about Patrick Mahomes, right? He broke Len Dawson record thirty touchdown passes in a regular season broke that record broke it in great fashion. I I love the throw that that he actually broke it on the cardinals were playing a cover two chiefs were empty and Mahomes showed fantastic anticipation to throw to the back of Tyree kills head before he even broken back to the ball. And he was rewarded with his thirty first. Touchdown. It was it was a great ball. And it's just another kind of just a representation of all the stuff that we've we've seen to this point of this kid everything he does every week. He comes out and does some special and that was a great throw the throw couple plays before. It was great. I've got a write up going up on aero head prize should be up by the time. This podcast is up. Profiling both those place. It was just it was a fun day to to see those things. Happen wasn't perfect. There's still plenty of stuff that he needs to work on actually we'll just go ahead and answer a question from the mail bag now at sheaf hawks five asked it looked like Mahomes was holding onto the ball. Little bit longer looking for the big play yesterday while guys were opened in east any concerns. The sax go up moving forward. So I don't know if I'm concerned about the sax getting, you know, going up further, you know, as we move forward. But I did notice that there was a couple plays where I thought Mahomes just have worked down to the running back quicker. I think he was looking at some of the deeper options in wound up taking a couple of sacks on third downs that you know, he should've just probably found his outlet work down to the to the running back and and live to fight another down. Maybe in on a couple of he might have even converted the the first down. I think even you know, even throwing sure the sticks. I still think it was possible. You know, people kind of made fun of Alex Smith because he would always check down. Check down are not a bad thing. It's just how frequently you are throwing the check down is the problem. And that's something that in this case, I would have liked Mahomes to do on a couple of these plays. Because I think he could have got possibly positive yards of ended sacks and possibly even converted them. So, you know, I think that's just one of those things he seen it. He knows what he needs to do. No, I- -ticipant. You know, if there's a situation that presents itself. Similarly, he'll go and execute in in just do the right thing. Especially in a game where you know field position this week physicians gonna matter, and you know, every little bits gonna matter score points is gonna matter a lot too. So. You know, something to keep an eye on. I don't think it's going to become an epidemic. And I I think he'll fix it. He's been really quick to fix everything. We're going to bring on we're going to talk about the Rams defense. A lot of town on that side of the ball. And then we'll bring Craig on later talk about the offense. And then we will end the show with a giant bag. Time to bring on Matt lane. Find him on Twitter at chief in Carolina. What's going on man going pretty good? I'm just over. You're trying to figure out how to put Ron Parker pictures in our rundown. So we do. Mets I have strategically removed editor real rights from our Google documents from you because you keep ruining my attempt to like read questions, and you're adding your own narratives and stuff during I can't state. It is driving me up a wall, literally just testing your ability to adapt and overcome like that she's able to do against a cordless as cost weekend. Man. What a great transition. But yeah, I spoil it. I sound like Ron Berg. I'm basically Ron burgundy like I read for why reports on the prompter. So whenever you're throwing stuff like that like dry. I struggle immensely, a we're gonna somebody else through the rundown, but need privileges back now that I know that you're just going to say whatever I type in there. No this there's no way that ends badly. The last you're just gonna start. You're just gonna start editing every question in the mail bag to relate to the draft. I would never you literally last week. You were like. Try to like. No, let's let's pay ourselves. It's not even giving you actually let's let's go ahead and talk about the last game before thanksgiving. How about that the Los Angeles Rams they play it next week? And I wanted to ask you about a Marcus Peters to start this off what have you seen from him? So far this year Marcus has had himself very good year. Like, I know beginning of the year, we were having some funnel house having some fun on Twitter just kinda egging people on talking about. Oh, yeah. We definitely need him. As you saw give beat almost every single game for some big plays. But as the years go on like, it's not even worth going to Twitter to people about it any more because he's literally just been bad football this year. It doesn't make sense. Like, I mean, I know we've talked about like might be like just how he's being utilized. But like like, what do you think it is? That's a big part of it. I think since two leaves going down with his injury wave Phillips kinda switched over to have mortgage. Peter's play Wade Phillips considers his number one quarter, which is a press press on the outside occasionally kick inside to take a big X receiver stuff like that of the slot. And happening is Marcus just he doesn't have the best press technique in the world. He's not super strong with his hands. He's good at slow and someone down. But if they beat his jam quickly and cleanly he just doesn't have the lettuce isn't a play from trill technique against well-placed throws we saw with the chiefs kind of his rookie year. He was really feast or famine and a lot of his feast on passes that were poorly thrown or to a different receiver when his guy was targeted. He gave up a lot of big plays in your soul of a sudden the next year we started getting five eight ten yards off coverage that she's fans hated. But maybe there was something to it as you're starting to see what s the press for the majority of the game. He just hasn't quite as big as big of a playmaker for the Rams been unglued, actually. Okay. So marcus. I mean, do you think that they're gonna make any adjustments against the chiefs or they just gonna keep running them out there and making them do stuff? He's not great at actually this past week. They did flip and play a lot more zone. They still played plenty of man and asked him to press would even pull them up to the line and still drop them dissolve on. But they definitely played a lot more zone coverage as last week against the Seahawks part of that could have been because of the running quarterback. They don't wanna give band mid coverage and give Russell Wilson advantage. Just run around with nobody watching them in part of it could have been because they're kinda realizing Peters worked with his eyes on the quarterback in its night. Wade Phillips thing that just play soft off coverage. So maybe a little bit of a balance there. We could have already seen a change happening. But until we had comes back. He's still there clear cut number one corner. He's going to get the hardest matchups in at some point in time. You're gonna have to put them in man coverage on these other guys. And again, if he's not into that press scrimmage. He has a hard time. Keep it up. Cool that that's great stuff, man. How about Aaron Donald best probably one of the best interior defensive linemen and all but ball. Are you worried about him holding up against a piecemeal interior offensive line? So I don't get to talk about a much because we don't end up talking about the Rams a whole lot and stuff like that air, maybe one of the best interiors evens a lot of the football. He's it's not even does I would take Aaron Donald the way he's played this year last year over that peak JJ watt, and I understand great JJ watt was but he was getting like his choice of where to live up on the defensive line to attack. Weak spot. Get that he gets the played three tech. He's getting double teamed aid offense at line wants to. They will literally cross deepens tackles face to go. Send help it down. They will leave someone in terrible spot the block even sue to give extra attention Donald. And he literally doesn't care. He's been that good. He's that good at football. And it's. Sane to watch. What he does a his size just on the inside. So yet he's going to give us a lot of trouble. I think we kinda saw last week that interior offensive line. It's piece together start to struggle little bit with picking up some stunts and stuff like that. You may not see as many stunts, but they're going to have to be on their toes dot from completely destroying game. He can very easily have ten pressures by self again. Do you? Do you think we get in good in conceal this week? I'm not sure I think this is too big emotional games for the Rams one loss one way. Now, there's these travel mix ups and plans at the whole field situation. I don't know how much everybody's going to be one hundred percent in there. I don't chiefs have anybody in the organization or even specific players that really get sue riled up. So I think this just might be a a game check on game forum. But still a game. Check sues still a good player. Like, he's not bad. No matter what. So it's not gonna be a bad player. I don't know if you're going to get one of those crazy sue games where he's really out to completely destroy Sam Bradford. Right. Right. Okay. Last question. Just give me a prediction on who has a big game on offense for the chiefs this week. I think everybody thinks shootout. So no one person's going to be crazy. Good while everybody else's pretty average. I will say I would be surprised if the Rams are willing to let Marcus Peters go at kill one on one coverage. If I would I would bait them into China, get Peter's the press. I'd put up on the line of scrimmage Peters is the men on them. I would trust hill to beat that jam far more often than he does it. And there's no way Peter's keep it up. So if we can get that matchup if we can go them into it out say kill has a huge game. That would be a lot of fun. I think that's what everybody's looking forward to seeing Mattie. We'll bring you on back here in a few minutes for the mail bag. And now is time to bring on the credentialed media member of the aero had pride nerd squad. Craig stout. What is going on my man not much credential medium member? That's a big big statement about me there. I'm not sure I like that. You're big time. Now, you actually got to go on and be like, you know, with, you know, actual media members like instead of us pretending to be media just going out, and you know, grinded tape and all that stuff. You are legit Arrowhead. Yeah. I was legit at Arrowhead. But I don't know how legit of a media member there. Just because I got the turn around and see some people that I was like, oh, hey, it's star writers, and these guys that are radio people, and you know, the chiefs writers. Yeah. That doesn't that doesn't mean that I'm anywhere close to that. Sort of thing knows great experience went there with one of our fellow editors of airhead pride. Altro st- got to watch game got to see prese map alignments, and that was nice from a charter standpoint what have to wait for the broadcast cut to the formation right before the snap. And then. Yeah. Got to go down to the locker room and be part of the media scrum, and you guys are having fun with a picture of me in the background of Tyree. Kill right now. Yes, I am. And it is probably the the gift of the century. It's the gift that keeps on giving just trying to find ways to use happy Craig and angry Craig it's been. Like, probably the most fun. I've had the last couple of weeks. My favorite one is comparing you to the old man in home alone. I accept that comparison actually that's really good, and that's not even angry Craig that's just normal Craig face. So it's kind of my. My putting my anger level in perspective here. I would I would hate to see angry Craig then you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I kind of believe it, actually. So was there any reasons to be angry at the chiefs defense against the cardinals? We had two drives that if I really wanted to nitpick I could. But no defense was good this week. It was a bad offense that they were going up against and a bad offense line getting just in Houston back definitely helped but deformed Chris Jones. Justin, Houston, absolutely wrecked. Everything in the cardinals game plan this week. They were completely dominant. They just flat out ruined everything. And it was great to watch. Is there is there reasons for optimism then this unit getting into the biggest game of the year? I think we're seeing at this point that the identity that the chiefs defense truly has here isn't one of like a shutdown defense and to be fair. There's not really any shutdown defenses in the NFL right now every defense is poor. But I think what we're seeing is a defense that can really get after the quarterback with their edges and get into your your pressure. And then we're seeing them be a lot more opportunistic on the back end. All they really got to do is get to three stops with this with this defense and the offense group typically take care of the opposition. It's kind of nice to watch. Well, the the opposition is a daunting one this upcoming week. However, they will be without confer Cup wide receiver for the Los Angeles. Rams what kind of impact? Think the loss of Cooper Cup is on that unit. You know, if you listen to the Rams, they will try and convince you that Josh Reynolds is going to be able to step in and they're not going to be able to miss a beat. But if you look at the target share that they have especially in the red zone Cooper Cup is go go-to guy for them. He gets twenty percent of their targets. That's a big number for a wide receiver. Josh Reynolds win. He's been on the field implies of Cooper Cup has gotten under ten percent. So he's not even getting the same number of targets as Cooper Cup Cooper cups. Really smart receiver. He's a really sharp guy, and he sells routes Bruns routes. Well, he's a guy that can disguise kind of a run versus a pass getting off the line there. Throw DB's four a little bit of a loop. I think they lose a little bit of their dynamic nature out of their eleven personnel. Well, speaking personnel. Great help on that trans. Mission. There buddy of the Rams are heavily in eleven personnel. It's over like ninety percent, right. Yeah. It's ninety four percent of the time. They are in eleven personnel. The league average is sixty two percent. So while chiefs are the chief the Rams are just constantly with three wide receivers one tight end and typically Todd Gurley. So they are a team that will give you just about every look that they possibly can out of that they'll go empty, they'll they'll do a lot of type bunches lot of condense formations and the run out of kind of us trips to act as a shield they've got a trips to one side. They're they just have a lot of dynamic things that they do out of it. They run a lot of jets weaves a lot of into rounds with those wide receivers. It's very tough to keep track of those wide receivers in the way that Sean McVay us. Them. The chiefs are going to have their hands full this week with their corners. So okay, you've been charting all season. You have a pretty good feel for what the chiefs alike to do against eleven personnel. Do you have any like, maybe splits or any any kind of clear obvious approach? The chiefs use coverage wise against eleven personnel. Well, typically against eleven personnel there in their to four defense, they're nickel or they're in their dime. If it's a, you know, a third down or a second long situation in those. They tend to run more middle of the field closed. That's a cover one or a cover three shell back there. They have started to mix in a lot more cover to and especially this past week. We did see a fair amount of cover five as a two-man underneath there. So they're starting to bring some of those middle of the field open coverages into their schemes. But. For the most part it is cover one man or a cover three zone. Have they played pretty well against eleven personnel for most of the year. It's by far the best personnel grouping that they play against currently on the year. They're averaging five yards per play against eleven personnel. And they've seen it seventy percent of the year the rest of their major personnel that they group up against twelve personnel is over seven yards per play. Twenty-one personnel is six and a half yards per play. So they just they're much better against eleven personnel. Now that doesn't quite just stopping the Rams this week. They're completely different beast out of that. But it is a more favorable schematic matchup from a personnel standpoint for the chiefs this week. Then maybe the previous weeds like against the Broncos or against the patriots. Let's hope that let's hope that continues that Trink continues. Matt craig? We bring mad on and do a little bag. It sounds good. And we're all reunited again, as we are at the end of every episode ready to talk about whatever you guys wanna talk about got some mailbag questions here. We'll start with real Danny Bailey heading into the Ran's game. What do you think the plan is to contain Todd Gurley running backs have had massive success against us this year? How do we stifle one of the best running backs in the leak, you know, it's going to be near impossible to stifled Todd Gurley with the way that they run their misdirections get in ball and the ball and space. He's good pass catcher think that's the one spot that the chiefs are just going to have to realize that they're just going to give up yardage this week. They can they can try and do a little damage trank collapse. Upfront a little gap sound and make sure that they get some penetration to try and redirect him. So that he's not hitting the whole full speed. And then you've got to hope that Reggie Ragland who has stepped up and started playing better can fill gaps and they can try and contain him a little bit on early downs. But in the passing game, I think you're just trying to limit what you can get this week. Yeah. Girlies been an absolute animal this year, and he's kind of the perfect kinda running back to give a ton of problems. But the same thing so was David Johnson. And not that he didn't have a very good game against us. But if you wanna come back and say that you know girlie had that kind of game against us. I think I would almost be okay with it for sure. Yeah. Time was I like David Johnson's just destroying this game for us. So yeah, he can get his he's giving ten yards at a ton at best. So if we can do that we can rally to the ball, we can tackle better. Like we have these last few weeks and just make girly worked through more traffic than we did at the beginning of year. I think that's their best bet. I agree. N Biondi asks do you think that Eric fishers the weak link along the offense of line Chandler Jones make him look silly number of times on Sunday is so is this a problem going forward? So Ed Fisher definitely had his worst game of the year. I think we all know that. And like there's this feeling out there that okay channel Jones a really good pass rusher rusher, which is very true. But that doesn't excuse some of the losses that Fisher toke. He has his same issues before it's just the lack of consistency. He'll take a very short kick slide on a forty five degrees. And it just doesn't get enough death to handle a speed rush. Or when he reaches the go out and punch when he should probably just be catching the rusher. He'll forget the slightest feet and end up winning and the same issue. That's plagued him more than anything else. He still has no concept of what to do when a person long. I don't know how much Schwartz to get them out on the field and show him how to stop a long because Mitchell Schwartz with to the big dukes little align camp, they have hinted on Twitter multiple times. If you've watched Mitchell Schwartz you've seen him destroy people in the try to get them with the law by calming it down and pretty much just fallen about them. Somehow somebody needs to show Eric Fisher how to do this. So he quits getting long into the quarterback as far as being the weekly though, I still think that's interior line right now. This is Fisher's. I bad game of the year. And it came very good pass rusher. It's not acceptable. But he's still a better player overall that I would say everybody decide Mitchell shorts playing right now. Yeah. Absolutely. He's the number two offense lineman. He's headed fantastic year. This far he's actually looked really good run blocking as well. Especially in space. And he's he's shut down a couple of really good pass rushers. Chiefs played some really good pass rush tandems this year. And this is the first one that's really given him fit. So. Yeah. Gre- everything with everything that Mattie saying there. I don't know that it would be a problem going forward. I'm not necessarily worried about it. Now this week against a Rams pass rush on the outside. That's not as good if he sees some the same issues, then we can kind of start talking about it. But he owned up to it in the post game said that he had a really off game. And that he knows the things that he needs to go out and work and fix the. I'm not worried about them at all. I think you know, I think he's had a pretty good year. Honestly, I agree. And there's so many other problems that they're just trying to sort through on the line. They're trying to just hold everything together with duct tape in the middle. So I'm not stressed about. Eric Fisher right now at the chief's fan twenty four asks do you see that she's going all in on free agents and trades next off season? Like the Rams did this year in Goths third season. No, I don't I don't see them going the same Rams approach. The chiefs really value draft picks. The Rams are all about turning those ask. Fits into players that are established in trying to load up on his many dude as they can to create to maximize this rookie window. I think that she's still have some more of a long now that being said, I think some free agents are going to be attracted to Kansas City, and they'll make some moves there. But as far as really moving and being aggressive assets. I still think they wanna use them in the draft. That's the wildcard is visas wildly aggressive. So you're not a hundred percent share what to think about yet even this year during the season, he's making all these phone calls, but I agree with. I think you're going to see them go through at least one more off-season of trying to do that final set set of rebuilds on the defensive side of the ball and see what they go with into the year next year. Now, if you wanna tell me at the trade deadline during the season of something's up handing out or the following off season. They try to go for that last hurrah when you have somebody like Sammy walk into the last part of their deal. I think Eric fishers getting close to the point where you can cut him. Then some money's gonna come off the books you want to try to go for it in that twenty what twenty twenty season at that point in time. Maybe but this next offseason, I think they're going to use their assets. Still try to fill the team for the long-term. Totally agree. They got four picks in the top one hundred this year. I think they're going to use all of them probably on defense, and they're going to try and build it up. Have a nice young cheap. Nucleus. And then I think conversely in twenty twenty they may only have pick in the top one hundred if they are able to kind of wheel and deal and go all in if they hadn't won it yet under contract. Nice at Keith McLean. Seventy eight. Here. Question. Do you live in a city known worldwide for its barbecue you go to a barbecue restaurant with ribs brisket, burn ends on the menu and order aced smoked fried chicken sandwich. What kind of sociopath? Are you can't? Answer. You don't get to answer microphone. You are associated path. You don't get to answer. Don't listen to kids food takes for. I have nothing else. Ad that is one hundred. Oh, no. I do have something else that can't also hate sweet potato fries. So we can add that to the sociopath live. Okay. Next question. Oh, eight no. It's not the next question. I have my mic back on the smoke fried chicken sandwich is delightful. It Q thirty nine you can still surround yourself with good barbecue flavors. You can get per Ninh's as an appetizer. But the smoke fried chicken sandwich is sneakily one of the best treats in all of Kansas City. Try it sometime in conjunction with burnings in conjunction with whatever barbecue he wanted q thirty nine but at the smoke good Applebee's for two for twenty. Year old new not to order chicken at the barbecue. Restaurant. Can't come on. I still got plenty of delicious barbecue flavorings. You guys are haters. Next question, cutting you off at kennywood coke asks oh met draft question. Any chance we draft tied in in this deep tight end class. Oh, this is fantastic tied in class like off the gate go that's something that you have to know going in. Whether you're looking for a pure receiving tied in a little bit more traditional inline tied in. You're looking at minimum seven, but probably closer to ten guys that are quality prospects. That are good at one or both. I don't expect to be back next year. And we've seen the chiefs still use them a whole lot. So I would say there's a good chance. The tricky part comes in is what kind of value or the chiefs going to place on the second tight end at this point in time. I'm hoping they do somebody like TJ Hodkinson would be kind of my lead guy right now. He gives me serious. George KENDALL vibes. I love Alabama yet. I love George KENDALL coming out that tape in quite batch. What kills like athleticism profile dead TJ Hopkinson on the other hand? He he plays like that kind of athlete and still blocks. Just like George kid Iowa's like he's by top guy right now. He's obviously not that I tied in that. I'm going to have coming off the board probably belongs to his teammate Noah fit. But just I love his game. Herbs miss my number two guy that I'm hoping they look for a little under size, but coming outta Ella? Bama. You know, he knows how to block he spent most of the early part of his career in line blocking. And he's still fantastic athlete that again trying to use another same college tied in vibes that uniforms play trick. But he's very OJ Howard. Like in the way, he moves and has the ability to block that's kind of two guys that love the problem is are the chiefs gonna want to look for a tight end or another wide receiver to avenge. Eventually take over for Sammy Watkins and replace Chris Conley? And maybe pushed Marcus Robinson. I don't think you get both wide receiver anti-death. That's kind of what you're looking between. Yeah. And if I'm taking a tight end, it's probably going to be later in the draft a lot of those guys that that Mets talking about maybe not Irv Smith Hopkinson is definitely going early. So I think that's something. They'd have to actually commit a lot of assets to on looking at a guy like Caleb Wilson guy. That's a little smaller. But has a lot of the technical tools to be able to do it not a great blocker yet. But he he's a guy that I think could really contribute. The chiefs could bring him in and try and help him put on a little extra mass and become a better player. More of a project tight end later in the draft. I think any of the sexy names that tied in it's probably just going to be contingent on like, he's not a guy kinda like with Armani watch, they didn't expect Armani watts to be there. It'd be kind of have to be a similar situation where they didn't expect Hopkinson to be there. And maybe they pull the trigger earlier and be like one of those around picks. They didn't think he'd be there. They just pull it because of the value something like that. I don't think it's an early investment at Keith McLean. You guys are killing my dreams of having the tight ends. But that's okay. If we are looking for later tied in Missouri fans, probably got to be pretty used to them after this last week for span Nabil, but pygmy out of Vanderbilt guy, maybe not the best blocker for size. But he clearly has the frame to do it. And the man just tore up Missouri up and down the field to start the game. And he's been fantastic this year. So Jared Pinkney is another name to look out for later on the draft. At Keith McLean. Seventy eight try that again. This week Mahomes was pressured in the pocket and in doing so he looked hesitant and token. Number of sacks was the strictly no line issue. Or did have opportunity step up. Roll out throw the ball away or just froze. A single one of the above. But a little bit of everything he held the ball little long some someplace when he did have outlets, and he didn't take them. There were other plays when he dropped back in the same issue. We've seen before when Sammy Watkins doesn't play nobody's open. If the defense is paying extra attention to Travis Kelsey or tyreek hill, and that's kind of what we had again. Yeah. I was watching back to the game on often specifically just to see who's getting open the vast majority of stats, Chris Conley and DeMarcus round center blanketed when the ball's coming out or mom's getting pressured just simply wasn't guys to get the ball to. I do think Mahomes is still figuring out how to call the proper protections. All the time without more to help them. I think it's kind of been exasperated over these last few weeks now teams though and more exotic looks at them, but he's getting better. He just needs to settle down. Sometimes when he sees that pressure coming nowheres outlets. Yeah. I think one of the complaints that I could say about it is he needs to throw the ball away. A couple of times when he's when he is rolling out. There's been a couple of times a season where he has been in field goal range, and he's taken a sack that the drove him back a little bit one of them for sure I know they hit a field goal and two more. They gave a punt. But it's just a recognition thing at this point. Yeah. The interior of of line is a SIV right now. And since Eric Fisher getting destroyed by Chandler zones. He just didn't have a whole lot of places that he could go this week. Yeah. And I think Mahomes got a little bit greedy on some third downs too. Because there is specifically third downs. He had outlets, and he definitely could have just gotten down and given those guys at chance to to maybe convert and actually I think at least one of them probably does convert I think to Spencer where close to the red zone too. So, you know, it's just one of those things he's going to have to continue to get. Better at navigate actually writing about it on Thursday. So guys, we got a lot of questions about the Rams and L Tutut. And obviously that has changed. But there is one question. I kind of wanted to ask about what's been going on here with you know, the cheese in the Rams game moving from studio dicta to the Rose Bowl. Nice. Thank you, fellas. So the chiefs now basically have a normal week and the Rams are kind of in flux going to Colorado spring is getting ready to prep for that. And then coming back. Do you think that will have an effect on the Rams and we'll start with we'll start Matty? It will have a big affect. I'm more looking out for the fact that they're coming off to emotional games. They had that shootout with the saints who let's be real the chiefs of looking forward to this Rams game pretty much since we played New England. The Rams have that luxury. They had to look out for the saints. I that's a conference game. That's bigger deal them. They've been come back with a hard visual game against the second best team in their division so more so than their weekly up. They're coming off too much more taxing games, then they're going to go practice and stay in a high altitude place, which would give them a little bit. Maybe advantage. If you're going to go play in dude. But if you're playing back in LA, I'm not sure I see the benefit to practice and try to recover in the high altitude just to come back and play back home. I think they're just trying to escape all the buzz. But I don't think it's give them any advantage. Yeah. That's kind of thing. That's bizarre about all of this the moment. It was moved. They they committed to the bit essentially they wanted to stay there. They already had everything. There probably would have been logistically very difficult, and they might have even lost a day, you know, moving back to Los Angeles there. But it does mean that they're not in the comfort of their own homes. This is closer to on a way situation. This is closer to travelling to London being out of your element being out of your normalcy. It's not doesn't necessarily bode well for them which conversely for the chiefs, you have such a fast offense, and you have a number of guys on the defensive side of the ball that do have lower body injuries that even if they were willing to play this weekend. The chiefs might have held them out. I mean going long-term you don't wanna lose a guy like Justin Houston. You don't want to lose a guy like an increasingly better Reggie Ragland or dance orange enter jeopardizing your chances to go on here. So I think. That in reality this benefits the chiefs more than it benefits. The Rams to have them in Colorado Springs. Yeah. Good stuff guys. I don't have anything else to add David made a seven asks is going to one hindsight is twenty twenty if you are VH in a time machine travel back to two thousand eighteen but had to take picks for the same positions. D line inside land Beker in the same order, forty six seventy five one hundred who are you drafting example what Edgewood you take out forty seat forty six speaks or if it would be speaks. So I think one of our biggest issues, I know, I probably speak for Mattie was partially. The fact that they went edge D line and inside linebacker as far as you know, the players in the value of able for those specific players. So there is that element there. But if we are playing this game. For me one of that at forty six. I'd be looking at Gerard Avery has a guy likes kind of in that rage as an age and he's been productive. He's been pretty good. So far in Cleveland. What about you Matty's far as forty six seventy five at one hundred who you looking at all of mine, or are we just going to just just just go quick on three of them? Sweet. Because now I could have the best team Forty-six Arden key. He's somehow been made the number one pass rushers of third round draft pick for the raiders and well, not been great. He's very clearly showed that he was closer to what he was two years ago at LSU than what we saw last year with all the fluctuating weight he seems motivated at least for now give me a chance of Arden key to play edge. Over breeding speaks at this point in time seventy five this feels like cheating because he was clearly I John player, but mo- Hearst. And then ninety one percent level. He's been phenomenal this year and he's getting better, but Mohur has been even better pass rusher. Than Arden key. And he's doing it from the interior defensive line and one hundred linebacker. There wasn't a lot of good linebackers left at this point in time. So it's kind of a tricky pick. I think do I know Daniel I might go and stick with them. If force the status, my only qualm would be if I knew how much we're going to keep if I knew what you're going to keep struggling so hard at traditional linebacker roles. I would maybe consider someone like Josie jewel who I know can play a traditional mbacke or role and not a dime. Linebacker, but I think Dana's upside but still get to persuade towards well met my first two. So I'm mad about the order that. On an audible here. Just because I had a group second. If I had to pick another, you know, sorta edge linebacker type guy. Maybe Lorenzo Carter a little bit. He he's got a couple of sacks for the giants already this year defensive tackle deodorant Tonette has been pretty good for the falcons this year as well. And then I probably would stick with Doria. No Daniel, but guy that I love and just really love. And I know he hasn't been great this year. But I would take Chak ram Griffin nine times out of ten. I just love the way the guy plays ball meant. I I had where did I have very serious like top five or ten I loved marines. I if it wasn't for me to gosh me, Craig like we talked about like trying to like basically play like, would you? If if if I was sitting there before the drought before we knew about the heart condition stuff. Like if you sitting there, you know? You know, twenty five would you trade up for stuff like that? We just had all these we loved MAURICE Hurst. At hudson. Jima asks Rams have given up or gave up nearly three hundred yards rushing to Seattle third of the by third of them. By Russell Wilson. Why is that? And how can the chiefs best take advantage of their problems stopping the run? I mean in reality. The Rams are terrible defended the run a lot of the problems with the Rams have defending the run we see on week to week basis watching the chiefs. They're terrible. Tackling Ogle Tris been poor lamarcus Joyner can't tackle the save his life. And then they're just not being gap sound of front. You would think with guys like Aaron Donald sue being able to clog the middle little more and come up and defend the run that they'd have a little more success. But no, they just simply don't they allow more yards per carry and more yards per game than the chiefs do and they have a terrible terrible run defense. Yeah. That's the only not it's really been there for Donald is he's playing a single gap. Every single time at the speed. He plays is so fast that he will you can let him run himself out around plays. Right. Very often. So if you've just run at him, he's going to take a gap to one side of the other the line, and you just take a running back through the whole Sioux is quite the same player. He used to be to where he's going to be able to cover for that. And their linebacking core is just abysmal aids. A bunch of guys that I'm not sure should be on NFL teams. Definitely shouldn't be starters. Don't they roster room? Meek ruleson, they started Romy quilt some little starter. So that's what you do need to know about that. He's the king at the eight yard downfield tackle. So she's would take advantage of it. They can you just have to be running Donald either run at their edges even edges aren't that? Good. Don't just don't run at sue. Or don't give outside zone runs towards air Donald side. That's all you have to do. Just don't let dot will destroy the run game beating faster than your blockers, and you can pretty much run the ball wherever you want to. Good stuff at Darren de Piggott asks does K pass have tanto passenger. Okay. Pass have a mean long arm move. I thought a saw him use it a couple times thought it looked good rushing the passer on Sundays. And is he a better pass rusher than brilliant speaks? I do think that a very good long. Very good, maybe strong. He has a good long arm, especially for his level of development. He knows where to put it in there. He knows how to give get off at once. He has. He also has a good job using those long winds of his rebel rush to and purely as a pass rusher just straight up one on one. I think he's better than speaks. I do think you're starting to see speaks get a little bit better grasp on how to rush the passer differently for snap. Was I don't think you've seen enough of Cape has yet to say he understands that. So a one on one situation, I think leaving k- pass. But in the realm of clean games speaks might be starting to catch up. That's probably. Just do two reps. And yet, that's definitely part of it that ten of doesn't seem to have the same sort of plan. He doesn't seem like he's necessarily reacting to the offense of tackle not. That speaks is either. But I think that that's what you need to see out of Tanno for him to get on the field. Because right now speaks is understanding of where the plays going and where he needs to be is clearly higher than tanos. He may not be able to get there. But he does seem to understand what he needs to do a lot better. So if tunnel is going to get on the field, then he needs to have a clear plan and be able to win a lot more often for him to be seeing the field as pass rusher. Right. And I think the reason that you're not seeing tunnel pasta house because they trust Brill in speaks overall more. And he's not going to get those opportunities to develop as a pass rusher. Live because they trust Bruin speaks more. At P flung asks what do you think the plan is for cornerback after this season with Nelson Skander both free agents after this year? Do they lock Nelson up? Will there be a cornerback? There'd be a cornerback. We have a shot at in the draft. And would you give Orlando Skander another year to try and seems like he's improved enough going forward? Just a just jump off of this real quick throughout the preseason. We said multiple times at the chiefs as a whole we're going to have a better cornerback group this year than they have in previous years just because the overall level the overall ability to play within the scheme was definitely higher with this group. And I'm getting that out now before they get tortured by the Rams wide receivers this weekend. So I just wanted to point that out. But no, I do think that as the years going along. We're seeing Steven Nelson right now is very highly ranked. By pro football, focus. He seems to be very highly regarded by football outsiders as well as Orlando Scandic and kindle Fuller's really come on as of late. I think that they might try and float a low offer to Steven Nelson this year try and see if they keep him in house, but I don't think they're going to get in a bidding war with him. And as I said a couple of weeks ago, I think Orlando Scandic is showing his age a little bit think he's going to take a step back in the future years. I don't know that you want to hang your hat on that sort of thing. So I do think that they're going to try and rely on some of these younger guys who can play in the system when into this year, we weren't sure what we were going to get from the corners. A lot of people weren't sure what they were going to get from the corners. I think the chief might gamble roll the dice try and stick with some of the young options they have in house and make a small that move. Hey, Matty, I'm gonna have you just pivot to draft specifically on this part because I think cr-. Big john. So just pivot to two players. They might target in the draft at corner. First and second round here. Okay. Like, I agree with Craig Nelson is probably going to get an offer. And if he accepts it. I think it changes the draft last week wildly eighth. They bring Nelson back. I don't think you see an early like Brown walls around to quarterback going that way. I think that's still gives you a chance to let trombone Smith develop even vase war develop a little bit. If you have Nelson who they clearly like and fuller. If we don't get to bring one of them back, and we get a main too low tier free vet free agent cornerback. I still think drafts really option you're hoping it. That's your goal that of Byron Murphy type players slips down to the end of the first round. I think I don't think so the greedy William struggle against Alabama. People are starting to question some stuff about him by emerging might overtake that CB one spot. He's just a little smaller. So that was the only shot I think you had to start the year outside that you've got some big quarters. That's what you're into. You got some little guys like the big guys. You got Chris boy Bri. Hall. Both of them should be available at the end of the first round it. You wanna wait a we'll get somebody small like hill out of Michigan. Maybe. Julia love in the second round or into the first round. You get some guys that can make some plays on the ball. It all depends on what style corner you want. And I think right now, we're seeing the chiefs are bigger faster shiftier smaller corners, rather than the big guys. But you never know when that's going to change. So I think that I think Steve Nelson's going to be this year's Albert Wilson. And get priced out of Kansas City. So I don't think Seve Nelson's gonna come back. I think he's going to get a nice deal somewhere, and he's going to count on that compensatory formula, fellas. So. Has to. I do think I do think they'll probably go corner. I would imagine their second selection in the draft wherever it is. If it's trade up whenever it is is going to be a corner. That'd be my guest, probably edge and corner would be the order would would would be my guest right now. I could see maybe bringing back Orlando Scandic on a really like a small deal similar to what they get you know, one year that a little bit above that man, something like that just as depth. But and then maybe just going with like a like a mid tier free agent corners. Well, so that's kind of my thinking, there's there's there's a lot of ways they could go with this. And they're going to be just fine at the corner position. However, they approach it. I really do think they'll be all right guys. I wanted to ask real quick before we left give me one quick key to the game on both sides of the ball. All right. So often simply the key is going to be to attack, Marcus Peters. I don't think the Rams defense is set up in any way, shape or form to be able to help both quarterback at the same time. They can only provide help to one side of the other. If you're paying for more Peters, which isn't a lot. But if you brought him in and the stigma around him, you're not giving him the extra help. So whether tyreek hill or Sammy Watkins who I think is going to be super motivated, it could really have a huge game too. But attack more computers with whoever which whatever those two receivers you get on them go right at Marcus Peters. Make him play off the line of scrimmage make him run. With those guys down the field. He festively much better offense of line point against. But I want to see Justin kyu-son play on the right side of the defense again to help against the run and just paint battle Whitworth up and down the field. I don't even need him to win a ton. Just give me one or two good timely pass rushes before I won't plan off the left side. You looks better there. He's a better pass rusher. The Justin Houston anywhere on the field. But he's even better. Off that left side. Let him play off the left side. Let him go up haven Stein. And let Chris battle the middle. We get pressure on golf. He's much worse. Having to move off his spot in process game on the move. Then quick easy. Reads in the pocket offensively feed Kareem like we discussed earlier, they can't stop the run feed Kareem. Let him be your engine this week take let the passing game take a little bit of a backseat. You still can go after Marcus Peters. You can still throw the ball plenty Sammy at tyreek at Kelsey. But really this is a game for Kareem. Let him run hard given the by week to rest up and then on defense you have to switch. You have to match against their three by one formations. They weren't so many rub routes. They run so many route combinations out of their trips formations that she's had not switched enough for my liking this this year. I mean we saw last week couple of pick plays couple rub. As got guys open. They have to switch this week. It is paramount that they do that. Yeah. For me on offense. I think this game's obviously going to be a shootout. And I think it's gonna come down to they need to protect the football. And the offset offensive side of the ball. They cannot give up any opportunities to score. And I think that they just need to protect the football still do what they're doing. But they just can't have any turnovers and then. Yeah. On the defensive side of the football. They need to doff do do enough to affect the quarterback, hopefully, turn that into a turnover. And they do that they're going to be in good shape. I think I think there's going to be a lot of fun. It's gonna be the most fun. We're going to have watching a game all year that's going to do it for us today. Guys. We'll talk to you after Monday night football. Can't you late next week? Don't order a chicken finger sandwich at a barbecue restaurant. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another same smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an Pires room in a major league baseball park. Check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart.