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The Rise of Keith Lee - Thursday NOTSAM Thursday

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56:42 min | 1 year ago

The Rise of Keith Lee - Thursday NOTSAM Thursday

"Is Introducing your host from in New York. Here is real hers. Happy Thursday and welcomed a Thursday not Sam Camp Thursday not just on any Thursday Turkey Thursday here in the United States of America. It is Thanksgiving Thursday. And I tell you based on Anybody that knows. Their history is very high high-pressure time to do a wrestling podcast. Historically speaking Thanksgiving is some of the big. It used to be back in the day Thanksgiving night Christmas night. Those are big days for wrestling shows like territories would run wrestling shows even. WWE would run survivor series as for a period of time on Thanksgiving night. It was that theory that you know everybody was off work. Everybody was exhausted of seeing their family by the time the evening joining rolled around right. If it's Christmas you've already opened all your presence by the afternoon fits Thanksgiving. You're having Thanksgiving dinner early. So one seven seven. Eight o'clock rolls around. What are you doing where you gotTA head on down to the local arena and see the wrassling show right so now I feel like More and more more in the last. I don't know five years or so. Maybe thanksgiving is probably more than that. Maybe ten ten years but in the past several several years. We'll say Thanksgiving has become a time when wrestling podcasts. Drop started with you. Know the famous call Cabanas and PUNK podcast Hyde cash dropping on Thanksgiving and so on and so forth. There's always something noteworthy happening so there's a lot of pressure on yours truly the last professional broadcaster. But we'll find a way to get through it. We're coming off. Of course the Luke Hawks interview that was on Monday. Why you guys are off work if you're in the states if you're not in the states and I'm sitting here talking about Thanksgiving and people being off work and all this stuff and you're just getting upset come to the US baby it's great? 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King Baby I am the content king speaking of being the content king. I cannot believe I am flabbergasted that in this day and age as we start to draw close to twenty twenty nine thousand nine Right around Thanksgiving of all times. I cannot believe that people are still booing. Me Or Ah taking massive dumps on me on the Internet based on my takes on the kickoff shows because let me tell you something. I'm literally right every time I mean think about it. I had the weekend of a lifetime. I was hosting annex t war takeover wargames is pre show on Saturday with Pat McAfee. And Charlie Caruso on Sunday I was part of the survivor series kickoff golf show at ringside right along with Jbl and think about this stuff that I was criticized four. Okay the first thing that was criticized for I loved having the Mike's on for the Arena for the NFC takeover wargames pre show. Because I got an instantaneous reaction. What did I get an instantaneous reaction? For what do people booming for. What did people tweet about the fact that I should never be on? WWE TV. I Take Matt Riddle. I will not beat thin. He came into an X.. T. is all potential and is still simply potential. He is accomplished nothing since coming to annex. T he he lost defend valor. I was right next week. Dakota I talk about terrible. Pick her own team. Me didn't even bring her to smackdown what happens mere hours later. Dakota could not even an hour probably less than sixty minutes later Dakota Heard me remembered. Oh Yeah teague. Inox didn't bring me to smackdown. Oh Yeah when the team was first formed. Rea- Ripley was like. Hey Dakota kyw hit the bricks teague inox was just sitting there looking at me going. You heard the lady and allowed me to go. She's a terrible partner. Sam was right. Let me turn on her and let me steal nibras right offer or gangly legged. That's decoding said anyway. So I'm right across the board would take over Dakota one hundred percent the right thing. The first invasion show when the most of the smackdown roster was stuck overseas. And you know. All these annex t superstars showed up to really make an impact. The tag team that we saw was teagan. Knox six and Ria Ripley teague inox Dakota kyw literally were such attacked him. They had a name. They were team kick. They were just on TV two days before that. But still teague inox picks re Ripley. That's insulting so Dakota Kyw heard me she said you know what at this point point. I am a bottom of the barrel pick. I put myself in that position. Let me take myself out of that position so boom I was right there. Then you turn around then people are all over me. 'cause I went on survivor series kickoff show and what did I say Shayna Baiser is not going to get beat. She's better than Becky Lynch and Bailey really. NFC's Women Division Women's division right now is the best it's ever been. That means Shayna baseler being the best woman in the women's division. She's the champion is better than Becky and Bailey. Because becky and Bailey were both in a women's division that was inferior to the women's division that chain of bazars the champion of so. I said they're not going to beat her and what happens. They didn't beat her. Shane obeys won that match. I was right again. Then I get all kinds of crap because I go. You know rose and a lot of trouble because who knows where Owen loyalty lies and Seth rollins is a terrible leader. He's the worst team. Captain out there and the fans are giving him that reaction every time he walks out and boom. What happens team raw loses? And Seth rollins shows up on raw the next night and he's a terrible person. I was right again literally. Every take I had on these kickoff shows I was right but somehow I'm an evil man. Get a life get bent Willia- I even got a reference to call them myself. Scoops Roberts Okay Scoops Roberts was there. He was in effect and it was ready again. What can I tell you you can be mad about it? All you want began denied the facts. Kenya speaking Seth Rollins. You know It it was nice to see I thought raw in general this week a lot of stuff it was nice to see some movement you know. I thought that the the movement of the seth rounds character was exactly what it should be you know. He's that we've talked about it before but GREAT VILLAINS DON'T CONSIDER THEMSELVES VILLAINS GREAT VILLAINS are are fighting for what they think they think they're the heroes you know. They're not trying to break the rules. They're not trying to destroy anything. Their their their motive for what they're doing is in their opinion justified. Seth rollins as of Ross still considered himself the locker room leader and had to tell L. The rest of the roster that they sucked now to the rest of the roster. Seth rollins comes off like a toolbag legged jerk. I believe it was on this podcast that I said Siyam punk is wrong. When he says Seth Rollins shouldn't tweet? We should see the Seth rollins that we see on twitter on TV not the other way around. We shouldn't see more of the Seth rollins that we see on raw. We should see more of the settlements that we see on twitter. I said that. And that's what we're seeing. I'm very very happy about it. I think it's a really good decision. That that Seth rollins that sort of a defensive cocky competitive give slightly do she. Seth rollins is the one that we're seeing on TV now and he's there to help people that they suck when they suck money. That's great great so I thought that was good. I actually appreciated the movement in a lot of rousseff storyline and rousseff kind of losing his mind and beating the crap out of Lashley you know. I thought that was good. There's something about knocking over the set on Monday night raw. That is getting get people people every time it gets me everytime rousseff kicking over that pillar or that's cylinder or whatever it is just made the whole segment for me and you could hear you're the crowd. You can hear the crowd losing their minds when he did it. That's what made it work just that one. Little additional kick in that that metal tower thing tumbles tumbled over and all of a sudden. You're like Oh this is serious. I thought it was awesome. I thought that was great and I thought it was funny that it really goes to show. Oh how little details can change everything that that is it's usually usually. The problem. Doesn't lie within the concept. Usually the problem lies within the execution of the concept most concepts you can make work to some degree the execution can be tricky sometimes and I think the execution in a lot of the Roussev. Lana Lashley Story. Segments events has been poor leading to this one but I think the execution in this week segment where roots have knocked over. The Tower was good. I thought it was good execution. And Lana coming out and saying you know he's a he's a menace to society. He's a danger to everybody. You know I'm I guess I'm interested in seeing where it's going it's gotta go somewhere right. TLC's coming up. It seems like a pay per view like TLC would be a good place to have a grudge match between route seven. Lashley kneeling problem is all the paper user dual branded now so a lot of times. You don't don't end up. Getting those grudge matches a lot of times. You end up getting you know because of all the title matches because of all the stars you have. You wonder if there's going to keep pushing off route seven lashley in pushing off Rustaveli Rustavi. Lashley part of me was a little bit scared. That did they were just going to do the match on raw this week and cut their losses because at this point we got to see it through. You've made us suffer long enough. It's been two months of this. You have to see it through. I WanNa know where it's going now. For better or worse yes and I can make my prediction of which of those two. It'll be Mad Hardy coming back in during the J. O.. Beata Buddy Murphy. I think it's I think it's good on on all counts. I think it You Know Matt Hardy was trending. Everybody was talking about the fact that he came back. I think it's good for Buddy Murphy. Because he beat somebody with credibility. I think it's ultimately good for Matt Hardy because it's like. Okay where's Matt Hardy. Go after a loss like that I was happy I think you ray. Losing it survivors finally having this high profile rivalry it has paid off. I think that it's a good thing that ray mysterious now is the United States champion. Because it's like you have this high profile rivalry with brock listener and your son and like let's be honest. Brock listener has has now beaten up Ramos and his son and his son's Godfather who happens to became Velazquez. He became Velazquez in a minute. You you know. He beat Ramos Zero and his son at the same time. That story is over so you kind of have to take the gray right. Now that the spotlight is on him and let him shine. You know now that the spotlight is on Ray. If you you don't take advantage of that you run the risk of you know all that being for nothing and at the end of the day Ray looks worse. I think ray actually looks better for the whole story with brock listener and now that he's the United States champion. I think that they're really. They're utilizing Ramos Stereo. What I liked about the seth rollins segment to of have you back to that first second besides the fact that that you know he was showing more personality that I think is realistic? Realistic to have the audience is responding to him. I liked that it showed that there were some at least some ramifications vacations to survivor series. You know if you watched annex t this week last night You saw there were a lot of people. Were wearing t shirts you know. I think Beth Phoenix wearing anyone. I I li wearing one on twitter. I don't know if she wore to the ring or not. I don't remember but I think she went into the ring. I don't remember but it was the annex T it was survivor series and it had the score on it kind of just braggadocious t-shirt about how annex t mopped the floor with Ron smackdown I thought that was good. The fact that Ed rollins like the motivation for Seth Rollins to turn heel is what happened survivor series. I thought that was good. You know coming off of survivor series. Last year smackdown lost like every single match and we got to smackdown nobody cared. Nobody said anything about it. No I mean I guess they did. Shane McMahon did a thing if I remember correctly but it really wasn't. It didn't lead to anything huge. I don't think I kinda like so the AARP. Seth rollins things interesting because they're going to have to do it differently. The you know granted J. and J. Security Jamie Noble and Joey Mercury very different from the A. O. P. The AARP OPR. These big MANTRAS men in those guys are kind of playing the characters of corporate weasel so clearly very different but still. I think that they do have to walk a fine. Fine Line if you're GONNA do stuff with the AARP alongside seth rollins of making it different from what it was before. I think it's genius ends. It's a real subtle thing and I don't know how many people picked up on it but I noticed the when the authors are paying came to the ring on Monday night raw to mop the floor to destroy dismantle and embarrass Curt Hawkins Zack Ryder. Who by the way will never ever and should never get that title shot that they were supposed to get last week but when they came out to humiliate Curt Hawkins Zack Ryder successfully. They were not wearing thing. They're Kevlar vest that they wore before they started doing this current story they were not wearing. I mean you know they kind of had the padding on their legs the the tank tops on you know what I mean. They weren't wearing the Kevlar vest and I thought that was really smart. Because the Kevlar vests are very reminiscent Emily Nissen of the shield even when they wore them and then x t I was like okay. This is like the next version of the shield like it was very reminiscent of the shield. The fact that they joined Seth Rollins in that same night I feel like that decision was made purposely where they were like well. If they're gonNa these two are going to join South Rollins we don't want them wearing. Kevlar hoeveler because we don't want people thinking. This is the shield to point out. We want people thinking. This is something different and I don't think people are making comparisons to the shield. Just is because it's hypothetically three guys but other than that I don't think people are making that comparison so I think it was successful and I'm a fan of factions. I think factions are are very under utilized in this era. And I think when they're good they're great you know. Look at the shield look at undisputed era. You know I think that I. That's why I'm advocating advocating to do some kind of barren corden royal family faction bad guys specifically bad guy factions are really really really good. Historically you get stars out of him you know look at the nation of domination. I don't know if you want to dive. Deep into the disciples of apocalypse in Los Body. But you know you talk about the nation of domination you're talking about the w o you talk about. DX You talk about the free birds you talk about the horseman you talk about. You know everybody the Varsity Club for God's Sakes There's merit to all of these and and and even when you're doing like the Heenan family it just made guys that maybe didn't have that kind of buzz about them. All of a sudden people are talking talking about them. Because Oh we'd better pay attention. This guy is part of the Heenan family. I think the Brood even the brew while the Leader Gang Langrell didn't flush out. The Brood brought all the is to edge and Christian so I and the Ministry of Darkness The corporation and I think factions are great. I think factions are really really good and completely under utilized right now And hopefully we're gonNA see Moore also when you have factions and you have somebody who's not in one for instance yesterday annex t fin ballor knocking out with Tomas O.. Champa laid out and taking the victory over him still laying out Adam Cole. The fact that you have that faction where air if thin Baylor wanted to he could easily easily join the undisputed era and have four guys watching his back back but he doesn't want to. It makes even even bigger statement about being a lone wolf if there are factions that you could potentially join to be alone regardless of that I think is an even bigger statement than otherwise and now you got raw where hypothetically you've got the O. C.. See and you've got the Seth rollins authors have pain factions both going on. I think that there's room for lots of room for both of them and more and they're great. I mean there's so many guys is on the roster now anyway it can only help. You're not going to do a gallows and Anderson match on every episode of raw but you could do something with the OC on every episode of raw you have AJ styles wrestling Galveston or center on the outside. You have Anderson Wrestling Styles and gals are on the outside you know it gives gives tv time to everybody. There's just so many benefits to it. I think it's great but yeah so I thought it was. I thought it was a pretty decent raw. Aw You know we've been on a string of Roz where I don't think enough has been happening on those shows and would this one a lot was happening so I thought it was really good I'm speaking of really good when you talk about the whole annex t envisioning first of all I think the whole annex t invasion angle was success will no more I guess when we find out what the ratings for next he were this week I thought was a better show this week than W although i. NCAA WS whole show. Like I said that's why we don't talk about it too much on this podcast because you know I ended up watching so much. WWE staff that. I don't WanNa give half asked review of a show that I haven't really watched so I don't think that's fair to anybody involved. But the fact that Andy Williams from every time I die and Virgil or on that show makes me think that the old school Sam Robert show that I used to do you want Sirius. Xm Is the feeder system to that promotion. But I digress will no more as as to whether or not the invasion angle is successful for an xt and the survivor series. Wins were successful for annex. T there's no doubt in my mind that the reason annexed next t one so by by by such a large margin Talim large margin sent cha the reason annexed he won by such a large margin Arjun survivor series was because they're the lowest watched show and I think. WWe just wants to increase the visibility and the cachet of that brand right so they make them look like a million bucks the same way. They've been making him look like a million bucks throughout this invasion angle. So last week we had really great ratings for an X. T. but that was also an episode that had the invasion stuff going on Viking raiders revival. Becky Lynch Seth Rollins was a huge show. This week it only had the annex t guys on it but the guys are all bigger stars this week than they were last week because wargames wargames and survivors and more specifically survivor series. And you know I was thinking about and I talked about it a little bit at the top of the show on Monday Sunday but I was thinking about who really benefits from from the invasion and the month lead up to survivor series and really servive or series weekend. I think when you talk about who benefited the most throughout the entire month. Probably Adam Cole I am Cole probably comes out looking like the biggest star but when you look who benefited the most in just the weekend the wargame survivor series weekend and who moved the most you know I think Adam Cole might have benefited the most but he was starting in a position. That was already really really good in terms of who moved the most from starting to finish point this weekend was for all intents and purposes the birth of the next level of keithly. I mean gene. Keith Lee comes out of this whole thing looking like a hundred million dollars. I've we've talked on this podcast before I had a conversation with Adam Cole about it about how cool it was to have multiple main eventers in annex t right when Finn Mbala. I showed up and you're looking and tomato chop is demanding a title shot but Finn Baylor clearly can go straight to the main event but Johnny Gargano is always ready for the main event event. Adam Cole is the champion so right there you've got four main eventers good to go at any point. You could boost velveteen dream up there if you wanted to. But he's in the North American title picture after this weekend. You can add Keith lead to that I mean. I think that you know granted you're still in this position where both thin Baylor and Tomasz. Oh CIAMPA want title matches with Adam Cole. But you're next. Takeover they announced is February. I think February wrote it down February sixteenth in Portland. It's going to be a standalone event. It's not GonNa be Royal Rumble weekend. They're not doing a takeover royal rumble weekend. They're they're doing one as a standalone and I think there's a real argument there. The Keith Lee may be the Guy I who is in the main event match with Adam Cole on that show and are just looking at the discord room for all that all the Patriot members are in and WWe front row. Who is a huge advocate for women's wrestling which I love Says in his opinion rea- Ripley wasn't even a bigger win for survivor series. Weekend and I would kind of put her with Adam Cole. I think that really was already on this path to be the top female good guy in annex t before the invasion stuff ever started you. You know I think the minute. She was announced as a fulltime annex t roster member. Ria Ripley was okay. She's she's going to be the one. That challenges Shayna Baiser. I mean back in January Kan.. When people were asking me like after you said what you said about Bianca Bel Air on the kickoff show if Bianca Bel Air doesn't deserve kickoff match with Shane obeys lawyer who does Ria Ripley? Really at that point the Annex T U K women's champion was already the person that I was going. She is the one to go one on one with Shayna Baiser as real competition so to me shoes already there. I think there's more is on her but I don't think that her position has moved. Necessarily I think that what she has done is cemented herself at the top of the next women's division and with her help there are more is on the entire next women's division. I think Keith Lee is a guy that you didn't you certainly before survivor series before war. Games James you're not having conversations realistically about keithly being in the main event of annex t you might have had conversations about how you wanted to see that you might have had conversations about how you could see that happening at some point. But you're not sitting there if I told you the end of the survivor series. Men's ends match was Roman reigns and keithly shaking hands a month ago. You wouldn't believe me you'd go. I don't think so you know. Keithly was just in a rivalry dominic di Jakovic and it was just like these guys have good matches together. So we're going to have them wrestle a whole bunch and show everybody it keeps these always been popular and he's always been like potentially intially great but with all the stuff going on in that main event seen before Gargano injured within ballor back with riddle with Chapa. You know what I mean when you're when you're making that chart of who is Adam Cole. Going to face next at a takeover with his title on the line. You'RE GONNA CIAMPA. You're GONNA FIM Valor. You're going riddle. You're gone Gargano whenever he comes back. And that's that's kind of the list. I right now you could easily put keithly at the very top and I don't think you could put them lower than second place you know I think at this point. It's almost like you gotta say I think thank it goes chump and then Keith Lee and maybe in the other way maybe in the other direction and that's great because we finally have some blood now annexed were not only do we have all these different potential opponents for Adam Cole. But you've now got a guy who's never been in the main event of a takeover you know we've seen to Moscow so CIAMPA main event many takeovers all johnny wrestling was doing for two thousand eighteen dollar created the main event of NFC takeover as a big deal. Keith Lee has never had that opportunity. We've never seen keithly in that position and he's going to get there man. I mean it was magic survivor series. The moment survivor series was so good. That as much as there was excitement for the Shayna Baiser Becky Lynch Eh Baily match. That should not have gone on last. The men's elimination match should have absolutely gone on last. The men's elimination Manasian match was great. There were a couple of things that you know. Were kind of like Oh. I wish they hadn't done that. I wish they hadn't eliminated Walter so quickly. You know a couple of things like that but ultimately especially at the end the story that you start telling the fact that Seth rollins gets eliminated. I out of the last three guys when you got seth rollins lends Roman reigns and Keith Lee. You'd think it's going to be CIAMPA and it's Keith. Elite right chop is in there too. Do He gets eliminated. You're like what the hell is going on now. And then keithly pins. Seth Rollins keithly pinned seth rollins at survivor series. He's and then he's in there with Roman reigns and Roman reigns beats him and he should have because Roman reigns is the man nobody should ever beat him but Roman reigns beats him and people just love what they've seen and there's a handshake between the two of them and nobody's sitting there going like. Oh you know. Roman reigns is just trying to put a little bit of shine on onto Keith Lee. Everybody's going like I reckon I recognize these two equals. I'm ready to see a Roman reigns versus key match. Now you know. I've listened to people who are going like well. The rumor is any again into one of these like links that you find on facebook that you think is real gossip. I think somebody posted it in the discord room. The rumor is that keep lease GonNa Vincent Guide to take the title off broad Glasner. Let's let's let's all slow it down a sec you know. I've heard a lot of people. Advocating the key lease GonNa win the Royal Rumble. This year. which you know I? I don't think that crazy definitely have next. He representation in the Royal Rumble. This year. And I could see that happening. You know I did. The Royal Rumble is going to get much much more interesting than what the same way survivor series. Got Much more interesting because now whoever wins the royal rumble is going to get to pick the universal champion the WWe champion or the St Champion. You know so it's like are they going to have a match with with the fiend. Are they going to have the brock listener match match or they joining up with an X T. Like you know there's so many great possibilities for anybody that wins that match. I'm not ready to sit here and say keithly will win the royal rumble. So you know I I. I don't know that he should if he did. I'd be thrilled. I wouldn't be mad but I'd love to see him. Build a little bit more in annexed tea and get that takeover main event match because there is no takeover between now and the royal rumble next takeovers a month after the royal rumble. So you know and I think getting a title match with Adam Cole. Great anex television. But it's not the same Keith. Lee is going to go to raw or smackdown at some point and he is going to be a big star. I mean the think about the week not only does he bring the house down at war games. Not only is he one on one in the ring the final two at survivor series. He was one person away from being the actual sole survivor at survivor series. And he was in there with Roman reigns he pinned seth rollins and then you get to Wednesday. He has a tremendous tag title match and he gets one of the greatest his wrestling gifts of all time. Adam Cole. Running down that island catching the shoulder block. That sends him nine hundred thousand feet in the air careening into the first and second row at full sail university versity incredible. That gift is going to live forever. I already saw people saying you know me at the Thanksgiving table me reaching for the mashed potatoes me trying to get the stuffing before my brother me. You know what I mean like people are already meaning it for Thanksgiving and it just happened when they were doing that. Twenty minutes before it's it's memorable forever and it's one of those gifts that like you could show it to a non wrestling fan and they'd be like that's not real. That's amazing looking. Did that that powerhouse Keith. Lee and the abilities that he's got he has just hit. Hit a home run with every single opportunity. He has gotten and that to me is going to be the story ory of this weekend. This weekend was the rise of Keith Lee this weekend was the world getting to know. Oh keithly because the truth is there are not fans. The weren't that familiar with keithly. Not Everybody watched not every watches independent wrestling. You know not. Everybody was so familiar with keithly when he got to annex t and before next was on. USA keithly wasn't doing that much. I China next tea and even when he was on USA keithly was really just wrestling Dominic Cova and then he ends up somehow on this war wargames team and you go okay. I guess Keith Lee is there and Keith Lee goes oh no you're gonNA realize that keithly is there and he goes on and he gives the performance of a lifetime man. You know I I think that he just just totally crushed it. Just nailed sailed it on all levels and it's so cool to watch a star rise like that and to know that because of the way do things work in annex t we can have pretty good faith that that momentum is going to be built on you know I already felt the momentum being built upon based on what happened at survivor series. This Week on television I thought it was great. Thought it was really really good. Congratulations to keithly and to keithly fans because this is your all moment this is it's happening. It's happening for keithly and I don't think there's any anyway you can. You can deny what you saw especially at survivor series. I just don't think there's any way you can deny what you saw. And you know what he's a natural actual born good guy a guy that size. That's not normal. But he's a natural born. Good guy you look at his face. you believe him but you also Kinda WanNa hang with him. You don't look at him and go like Oh. I hope I don't ever have to fight that guy. You look at him going. I hope that guy has my back. I hope that that's going to be my body. That's going to be looking out for me. That's a great asset and keys got it in droves does he's doing great man he is doing absolutely great. This was to me no doubt about it. This was his weekend Speaking of the weekend And the weekday continued. Some people were surprised. Siham punk was not on Backstage and he tweeted tweeted. The dentist stamp mem- I was booked while I wasn't booked. Terry I've got other plans. I'm not going to be there because I wasn't booked. Somebody just come up to see him. Pumpkin I can ask him if you want to referee the main event I'd rather be in the main event breathe. See A punk not on backstage this week but I I think that was as the plan from the beginning you know. CNN punk is not a host renee. Young and Booker T.. Are the hosts of backstage. They're the ones that theoretically radically are going to be there every week. And everybody else kind of rotating you know I think. CMS PUNK is more official than Samoa. Joe Page or Christian in the sense sense that he's whatever he is a contributor. Whatever is deal is but I don't think it's anything anything more than that? I don't think he's anything suspicious. Che's It was interesting this week that they were. WWe was going out of their way to not make people feel like CNN. PUNK PUNK was on his way back into a ring. There were rumors that Seth rollins got in trouble backstage for bringing up. CNN punk in his opening promo on Monday night raw. Of course course if you Follow it along with the N.. T. Media call triple H said on the media call that that he was after takeover over that he was going out of his way nope no conversations had been had and of course everybody wants to see it he knows everybody wants to see if a no conversations were being head and he said that when everybody wants to see something they tend to say. So you're saying there's a chance But he said in the media call and this is true that he told me you that the when I announced that that the mystery shoppers mystery partner invitation that the person was in town was in Chicago but I didn't know who they were or if they had accepted that he told me that I told him. Roberts don't say Chicago because everybody will think it seeing Donkin. That's true. I said Hunter Scoops is going to go out there and let the world now this dude in Chicago the Champa the CIAMPA invited Vita Aaa. You looked at me. He said Sam as a yeah he said don't say Chicago. Just as here you got you got a boss. You got it Mr H.. As Pat Maggie calls him that Dope Pat McAfee but yeah so they are going out of their way to make it seem like it's not an inevitability and I think that they are hedging their bets with that. Did I in my opinion. I don't think that anything's official. It's just all hypothetical edical and wwe and the people that run things. WWE are smart enough to know that is probably going to do stuff with them. Yes you know I still stand by that. Firmly Siham punk is probably going to be doing stuff with. WWe wrestling. When I say doing stuff I mean wrestling being in matches? Inner Ring Probably Wrestlemainia. But I don't think that those commitments made. I don't think that that's official abet. Those conversations nations hasn't even happened yet and so instead of creating these rumors that it might happen. You look. There's always the chance that it won't happen and we don't want to make people think that that there's something going on here that there isn't so you know I think it's smart on their part to to not ought lead anybody on into thinking that this thing is happening because it's not happening until it's happening that just kind of the way it is I think that the best storylines going on and wwe right now are happening on twitter. The best storyline on twitter. Right now is the love story. That's blossoming between Dana Brooklyn Batista. It's actually making me not want to crap on Dana Brooke and boy did I. It's making me not want to bury Dana Brooke. You know you shouldn't be burying the talent. 'CAUSE I go you know what. I don't need any trouble from Batista teased. He's the animal for God's sake Earlier this week but East tweets out that he single again in kind of like AAC. Now the hell did this happen. You know he just tweets out. I'm officially single and I'm like OK Batista Getting back in there. Okay Petit Sta setting up a little thirst I trap for Yourself I see you. I see what you're doing. I respect the game. What I didn't expect was that he would start? tweeting shirt. tweeting not. DM tweeting shirtless pictures to Dana Brooke. Now dannebrog been playing it cool the whole time you know and she responds. It's in a very friendly way that she's looking forward to meeting up with him but it's not overly flirty whereas Batista is just shameless about it. I really respect. How Shameless Batista is? I think that if if you are after a woman if you want to date a woman you know I I think you have to be polite I think the chivalry is not dead. I think that you have to be chivalrous but I think you have to be shameless nameless too. I think that most people don't realize that women really respect for the most part in my experiences. I've found that women respect guys that are shameless. When I was pursuing my wife Jess I was shameless about it? I made it very clear what I was doing. It wasn't like you know that's how you when you're not not shameless. You kind of get trapped in the friend zone. Sometimes but when you're shameless when you're like oh no I'm looking at you and I do not want to be friends. Women kind of God like I find that they respect it unless they're not interested in which case you know. I'm not saying the B. Shameless but also be considerate. You know maybe take a walk. If they're not interested but Dana Brooks responding thing and it looks like you know. She said she's happy that wrestlemanias in Tampa petits design Tampa but Batista's trying to get Dana brought to his Jim. Now like Batista's trying to get Dana Brook to do a leg day at his gym. Batista wants to see Dana. Brooke do some squats at his gym. Batista is a big Fan of Dana Brooks squats and the results that those squats have yielded. Good for Dana Brooke. Good for Dave Batista. I respect it. I'm here for it and I want to be involved and be aware of every every piece of their information of their relationship. I want them to keep me up to date. I would watch a Dana Brooke petits to reality show ten times out of ten. I think it'd be great. You know who would have thought Dave Batista Has Been Eyeing Up Dana. Broke this whole time. Good good for her I mean she's obviously super into fitness. He's super into fitness. And I guess that's his thing I mean he's he's a Geeky he guy too but maybe you want somebody can lift with then you know do whatever else it is that we need to do. I know he can get some blue choose if he needs them. One of the things that one of the things that people have been buzzing about on the Internet has been What's going to happen tomorrow on smackdown down a new member has been advertised for the Firefly Fun House and I don't know exactly where this rumor started? But maybe it's maybe maybe I think live. Morgan tweeted something. Those kind of mysterious and then there was like advertisements being made that tomorrow. Our Friday on smackdown down. Now tomorrow there would be a third or new member a new face in the firefly funhouse tune into smackdown. Does he a new phase in the firefly funhouse people that along with live Morgan's tweet and started saying like. Oh maybe it's Morgan in the firefly funhouse then. There was a rumor going around based on a tweet that wound. That was even more heavy tweet. That went from a twitter account that was reportedly a wwe seamstress and she's sent out a tweet that was a video of her sketching gear for a female member of the firefly funhouse a female companion debris y line people are like. Oh my God there it is and I was like in that going like what seamstress is getting fired. Why would you tweet this out like this only to realize that the twitter account even though data verified I check was a fake twitter account? It was not a real twitter account it was not the seamstresses twitter account by any stretch of the imagination. It was a fake twitter account so the sketch was faked. The whole thing was faked right. Now that doesn't mean live Morgan. Rumor isn't true just means that that piece of evidence is not real evidence. I can only tell you what I hope because obviously I have no idea I don't want another human member. I want another puppet. I don't the need for there to be another human member of the Firefly House when you have a guy like fiend who's basically indestructible. Nobody can beat him. Nobody can keep him down. What does He? We need another person by his side for. I don't think the fiend ever needs to have anybody with him. The point of the Phoenix that he has no loyalties. You know I think the Bray Wyatt should exist in that firefly funhouse if you want to add another person to it. Make it in puppet form when you added the the boss Poppet Vincent Man Puppet. Everybody lost their minds. When you add you know people love this sister Abigail Doll people love the vulture doll? People they get so upset every time the Rambling Rabbit dies people. Love the puppets you can add as many puppets as you want. Keep adding puppets. But I don't think you should add had people you know the last thing you WanNa do is dilute this amazing story that we've been watching unfold and as much as bray. Wyatt keeps winning with no sign of stopping insight. It's still cool to see and I still get excited when he's on TV and I still WanNa watch his next match. So Oh you know that's what I would say. That's that's that's my gut although I'm ready to see whatever gets announced and to see if it's cool you know I'm ready for it to be equal. 'cause it other than the finish for Helena sell everything has been good to me with With the character other than the Helen South Finish And while we're talking about cool stuff to make sure that you tune on that. WWE network because that undertaker stone cold interview is something man. You just never see the undertaker like that and just to see him talk about stuff to see him talk about. WHO's nervous about his debuted? Seem talking about Coming out of the American bad asked to see him talk everything. Everything is just his relationship with Vince. McMahon to see you know all all this stuff it's really great see stone cold light up when when they talk about Buzz Sawyer you know I just thought I just thought it was so much fun to watch. I do before we get to emails. I do want to Senator shout out to the family. We we lost a very important listener to the show. This I guess we lost in this month we just. I just found out this week that he passed away. Mark in San Diego who has been a loyal listener of mine for years on the radio came over to the podcast. I was a big part of the of the discord room. Though we have for everybody who is a member of the Patriot page which is a big part of the Nazism Wrestling Community And he passed away Unfortunately which is a real. Bummer summer and I know that a lot of you guys are listening. Knew Him and you know our justice bummed out as the rest of us are He's just I straight up dude dude. One of the most supportive people as far as listeners. Go that I've ever hat around me. But at the same time. If he didn't like what I was doing he would just say flat out. And that's a quality that you don't see too often and you know and it was in him and he's just he's a good guy when this news came out everybody that knew him and I had no idea man the community that he had built with listeners. Both on the radio show and for this podcast so many people. He was talking to him on the phone on a regular basis. He would just you know. Get to uh-huh people online exchanged phone numbers with them and call them and have conversations with them and everything you know. NBC E touched a lot of lives so rest in peace to mark in San Diego. It just a great great dude and really a bummer. That he's left us and way way too soon Let's get into some of these emails before we wrap things up From Patriot page which you can be a part of Patriot dot com slash not sam wrestling For only less than dollar week. Four bucks a month you can get the podcasts early. You can get a mad free and you can get access to the discord room in bonus shows and the whole it's a it's a good deal. Joey says Sam. How do you think will remember November two thousand nineteen? When it's all said and done it might be the start of a new era and I'm excited that Awol it a fire under wwe because survivor shares was awesome? And I think we can expect more of that. You know I think that as I Said before I think that it will have keith lease stamps all over but I think I think that we will this. This will be the launch of Annex T. I think I think more than annex t coming to USA. I think that the energy that we feel about annex t based on what we've seen in November will kind of be attributed to annex t debuting on USA. But I think that this at the end of the day historically shortly speaking November twenty nine thousand nine. We'll be the month that made an x T. I think so you know and like I said it impacted raw too and I'm sure a lot will happen on smackdown but in terms of what was the biggest change. That's what I think Mitch emailed in if you WANNA email if you're not remember member of the Patriot on page. That's fine you can still contribute to our questions and whatnot you on email us. It's not sam wrestling at gmail.com. Just like that YouTube YouTube page YouTube dot com slash not sam wrestling Not Sam wrestling a g mail DOT COM. This is sent by Mitch. I'm a fan of Bray. Loved the new Gimmick but it has me thinking the When the time comes for why it's finally lose? He is going to get screwed over worse than any wrestler in history or his opponent will have to build an iron Tiran suit. I feel they have made him seem so invincible. The any clean loss will kill his character the NBA very unrealistic. How do you feel about that? You're killing it on the pre shows. You're the heat. You're getting reminds me of the nineties bobby. The Brain Heenan on commentary but with an edge. It's awesome awesome. Keep it up. I don't want to Put it up on a pedestal. Like that but I appreciate the compliment you know by your brain. Heenan his the goat You know I think okay I don't think there's any reason to be cynical about the Bray Wyatt character until there's a reason to be cynical about the bray white character. I think it just. I think it's just you right now. He's GONNA plow through everybody but eventually there will be somebody that can somehow figure out a way to get a victory over the feen and I talked about the horror movie analogy last week on the show that the fiend is a horror movie monster. You know horror movie monsters spend ninety minutes of the horror movie destroying everybody then somehow some girl find some way to kill that monster. But guess what they're ready to make a sequel and when they make the sequel ready for that monster to come back and spend another hour and a half killing everybody so if the scene follows the rules of horror movie movie monsters eventually he'll be able to take a loss and come back. Maybe not just as strong but still strong. There's some good horror movie sequels. You're probably thinking. Yeah I'll come back Jason X.. Jason Space now. WE'RE NOT GONNA go straight to ten drew checked in You didn't have a question or anything. But he's a youth pastor in Kansas and I helped bring him in closer on the same wavelength as the kids kids so I appreciate that drew. It's always great to hear stuff like that James sent an email to not sam wrestling G. DOT COM. Hey Sam have you heard this theory. The fiend causing a change in his opponents when he defeats them fim balanced rollins both turned heel and Daniel Bryan seems to be turning face again kind of makes sense with the he or heard gloves to do. You think there's something to that or just a coincidence. I think. Probably just a coincidence with Finn and with Sath because sets change was actually a month after he. He lost the feeling like those scenes. Those seeds weren't being planted until survivor series early in the night after survivor series. So that too much time had passed for me and Daniel Bryan was already kind of turning face before he faced the fiend and Jerry lawler's the same and he got attacked. So you know. I think that that's a really interesting concept. And I kind of enjoy that as a concept but I do think it just a coincidence and a lot of that is because that would be a very very difficult theme to maintain. Hey I appreciate you guys being part of the podcast this week. 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TRIPLE H RETURNS!! - Raw Review - 1/11/21

Fight Boyz: A Pro-Wrestling Podcast

29:32 min | 3 months ago

TRIPLE H RETURNS!! - Raw Review - 1/11/21

"Guess who's back on his bullshit that's right and it's time to review monday night raw so full disclosure. I was going to start back reviews last week. And then goldberg came out to the ring and i said fuck no. I'm not doing this. Because it wasn't good and after getting upset about stings debut in a w i didn't want to be the guy who hates. Wcw legends but this week's episode was actually good which is hard to admit it wasn't amazing but it was serviceable serviceable. The soda of raw. It opens with triple h coming out to the ring after. What's gotta be two years out like he's been gone for a while i can't remember. Did you wrestle it. Wrestlemainia thirty five. I do not remember but he comes out to the ring it basically like the. He's there as the office. At which point randall keith. Or a man whose entire gimmick has been ruined in the past week because he went from a set people on fire. And i'm an evil psycho to. I'm just to bully some old people in the back. All old randall comes out to the ring at basically challenges trips to a fight like full on. He's like you're either here for one to give me the title to to give me number thirty in the royal rumble. And if you're not either of those we're going to fight. And that was the introduction triple h did but triple h is always a great promo. He's talking about the fact that he was so proud of randy for setting the fiend on fire because the fiend was the one thing standing between randy and the wwe championship. I don't know how that math works. But apparently it's true so because of that he then goes on to say. But i don't understand why you're going after legends. Good is setting. The fiend on fire was helping your career move forward. You were ruthless and getting what you wanted in that. I respected but going after these legends isn't getting you anything which is a really nice dissection of the legend killer character like. Yeah it's cool to have the fact that you beat the undertaker whatever under your belt but what's it do for your career. It doesn't do anything really so yeah it was a nice little dissection randy challenges age to a fight triple h says no. He's there as the office. He's not there for a fight and then this is where it got rough because instead of having anything clever to say randy pulls up the same stephanie's got your balls in her purse. Doesn't she lime. That i think i think you're you're legally required to use promo against triple h at this point because everybody does it so he does that. And then triple h punches him in the face and then randy laughs and says i guess that's a yes and that was an opening statement it was actually a killer opening segment. I'd say that was probably segment of the night. In my opinion. I really enjoyed it. Then we get recap of lacey evans flirting with charlotte's dad last week and god. This story line. I'm happy. They got it out of the way early because this is the worst story line going and wwe right now. Charlotte cuts a promo where. I love the fact that she was like. It's twenty twenty one. Why are you asking me about my dad because like yes charlotte's a great performer on her own and yet for some reason. Wwe's trying to rehash the old. Oh everyone just calls me ric flair's daughter storyline which they don't so i don't know why they're bringing up. Lacey cuts a promo. She's the worst. And then we get a nice little message from drew mcintyre where he tells you to wear a fucking maske freak put on the mask on the mask be safe in public do social distancing because the wwe champion as kovin. And i hate it. So yeah where a mask fuck. You says drew mcintyre. Then we get lacey evans versus charlotte. And i loathed this match. Not because i hate the storyline either. It's the fact that the story line the wrestling was not consistent with the storyline. Because you would think after. What lacy did last week after flirting with rick after flirting with rick and after all of this that charlotte would be furious at her in fact her promo she even says. I'm going to go teach this woman how to be a lady which is a nice shot at lacey's gimmick the match began with charlotte smiling. And then they lock up which i understand. That's like the basic way to begin a match but that's not how this storyline needs to work. That's not how the story needed to work. Charlotte needed to come out. Like a house. Afire beatdown lacey evans. Show that you do not disrespect the name of charlotte flair pin her and all that and then like within another minute of the match. Charlotte goes for a roll up. And i'm like no that that's what ends de if you roll her up and get the victory. that means. you can't hurt her anymore. It made no sense. I really really didn't like it. The only moment of the match. I really enjoyed was charlotte. She so she has such good core strength that she just had lacy like a leg headlock which the leg scissors and she was just slinging her around the ring using her legs. It was really fun. But then rick flair comes out and they go to commercial immediately because apparently wwe thinks this is a two segment match. But i will say there are parts of these this show. I'm going to go a little bit. Easy on because they lost drew mcintyre. I'm sure the main event of this show was supposed to be a thirty minute. Classic between orton and mcintyre for the wwe championship but then mcintyre got pulled out so they knew triple agent and they weren't going to give triple h versus orton for thirty minutes so they started making up time during the show. And i guess this is one of the ways is by making this two segments long. So comes out. Charlotte comes out like a house. Afire beats down lacy. But at the very last minute much like last week rick flair trip charlotte allowing lacey to reverse. I think it was a suplex attempt. Maybe and land straight on top of her gets the one to three lacey evans has penned charlotte flair once again but now fully aligned with rick. We're like she's leaving wrapping her his tire around her. It was very uncomfortable. Let's move forward. We get a promo from keith lee and this was actually a very very fun segment because like i said ms and morris and work well when they get to play like dick dastardly mid carter's they're such cartoon characters and it worked really well in this segment where they come out Shameless initially comes out. Goes up to keith. Lee puts over his his match. Last week withdrew which was very very good then morrison come out and basically say googlers you and then they're like we'll fight you and they're like okay. There was a match tonight segments. There was actually wasn't exactly like that. But yeah that was the segment and then shock of the year for me and it's only january jeff. Hardy versus elias is still going. I thought that ended. I thought that in did win win. Scout electrocuted jeff cracked his head on steel steps. But apparently not so that's still happening and allies comes out to the ring. He's got his fingers wrapped up and says i can't wrestle. My hand is injured leading decks and reicher to take place in. What is like the fastest match. I've ever seen. Jeff gets a little bit of a comeback goes to the top rope goes for a swan but before he can hit it. Allies distracts him allowing jackson. Reicher the this massive beast. I yes i know. He's shit person but he's a massive man. He won by a roll up. Yeah that's how you do it. So he wins by a roll up because fuck it. Eliason jackson start to exit. And then hardy grabs a mike. Because we have to keep keep adding time into the show and says elias. I think the only reason you don't wanna fight tonight. You don't want to admit. Jackson reicher is better than you. And that's a nice way to get elias into another match. So now we have. Elias versus jeff hardy. The best part of this in my opinion was elias. Looking at jackson before the match and going. Hey don't interfere in this match wink. No matter what happens. Joe come in the ring weighing it was very good and then it was a it was a match. It was a basic match. I've seen these two russell so many times that i'm like. Yeah that's what these two can do and then at the end of the match. Jeff hits the swan. Todd give the pinfall. Jackson gets in the ring and allies looks at him and he goes. What didn't you l jackson which i hate. Because he's he's a mag idiot but he looks at him and he goes. You told me not to. It was a very good moment. Like i said ralph blah. It wasn't any of the bad stuff outside of the ric flair angle. None of it was offensive. Like even if the stuff that was bad was still pretty good. Then we get morrison and miz. Taking on keith lee in shameless in a match that was set up earlier in the night. Bawadi some big boys do a bunch of punches. Because that's what this was is was some vicious work from keithly and shameless and moment of the night has to come for when morrison is backed up into the corner. Keith lee charges him connects and then the whole ass. Turnbuckle gets ripped out of the ring post causing keith lee. To go from you know aggressive. Keith lee yeah to did i do like. He looked up with the best smile. It was great then. I got mad because they started to put the ring. The ring ropes back up. I'm like no let them wrestle with a mob. You can fix that later but yeah that was it was fucking great then. Lee gets the hot tag. Probably the best hot tag. I've seen a wild destroys morrison and miz and then right before he can hit his hit. The spirit bomb shameless blind tags gets in and hits a brogue kick. And i loved this because i believe it was last week or sometime recently. Where keith lee blind tag. Shame shameless was mad. This time keith was smiling like he just kind of looked at him like you son of a bitch. Why would you do that. And that was really cool. I enjoyed that. I really liked the chemistry. That shameless has with a lot of these guys. Because he's been around forever you can tell he's friends with everybody. And i like the chemistry between drew keith. Lee and shaimaa. That's a fun little trio there and then they go to commercial actually no no first thing triple h. He wants to fight there. There's a promo and then we'd come back shave keith. Lee are fighting for no apparent. Reason like you could have filmed an angle during commercial in showed it like showed keith. Lee like paul shaking his hand then pulling him in close like don't you dare blind tag on me ever again and then shameless pop them in the mouth. You could've done that but they're fighting now because we lost a thirty minute maid event and we gotta make up time somewhere and this is one of those times where something bullshit happens. And i'm okay with it. Because of what i get like. I'm like yeah for the sake of storyline. I don't like it. But i do. Get to see a fucking haas battle in. That's exactly what it was. It was just too big boys too. Big men slapping me going at it at one point. Keith just goes you think you tough. It's just beaten shit outta james. It was great Shameless has gotten so good in the last year. Honestly like he had that classic with riddle. He's had some really good matches. He's adopted a more technical style. Which i like a lot. And i love his new. Like i've said it before his new peaky blinders alcoholic irish died. That just wants to beat people up. I really dig that. I really really did that. keith gets the spirit bomb for the finish and yeah it was a good match after the match they look at each other and you can see that and then they just pull each other in for a hug. I do like this new thing. All the top baby faces on raw getting which is just. Yeah we'll fight. I don't care. I'll fight whoever. I'll find my best friend but afterwards we'll go have a pint. Yeah it's real cool. Then we get a recap of last week's main event and then goldberg goldberg. Fuck and mcintyre response to goldberg and this promo was essentially. Hey what the fuck. I grab the microphone. I wanted to thank all the legends at ringside and then so fucking bullshit happened. Just looks at him. He goes you. Let your legacy down. Bill and i went shit. That's very very good. He he was just maggie tired calling out goldberg for bullshit and basically says the only reason you want to do. This is because you've never had this the wwe championship. Which i i don't know if that's correct has goldberg had the wwe. Because i know he's had the world heavyweight. I'm actually googling this he's never had the wwe and he's never had the universal championship and he's had the universal championship. But i did is. He really never won the main championship this whole time. That's the other problem with having two world heavyweight championships on your show when you say something like you never had held the big title. I'm like well. Yeah but was it this big title or the other big title you know like that's the wow yeah. He has never held the wwe championship. That's interesting then. Matt riddle and noise lucia house party backstage. Because he's going to fight. Bobby lashley later that night and he just needs to annoy somebody. Then we examine your woods versus t bar which was fucking great now. We did come to caveat of the sad announcement that unfortunately kofi kingston is out with a jaw in. I believe right now but yeah. I'm excited to see singles woods. And he certainly put on a fuck in performance here like it started off as a bump and feed which is really what you have to do for t bar. He's such a massive force that to really build them up. You've just gotta let him do everything. Keep in keep feeding gets a massive comeback. But at the last minute he gets distracted by the rest of retribution. tibor picks them up. Feast your eyes. Which i think they renamed eyes wide shut or something like that which is fucking but yeah hits. Feast your eyes which is probably one of my favorite finishers. Wwe today tibor bar wins. And i just yeah make retribution. Baby faces like i know. It sounds bizarre because usually in the world of wrestling. it's like. How do we fix this. Make them he'll no. I think a baby face retribution. Stable could easily be the best she had ever like. Imagine baby face. Shield but coming with the added charisma of mustefa ali and like imagine if to shield and where they called the carney's what was the group with curb in and all them in it. The oddities yeah. That's that's who i'm thinking of. Yeah magic of like the shield and the oddities had a weird little baby. That's retribution could be and it can be really really fun. So now we get a promo from randy orton. Where he's just says he's we're gonna fight fight right later. I do love psycho randy where he's just like triple h knows everything about me but one thing he doesn't realize that change design ever a hatred for myself but i use that hate because i'm a spooky scary man and i'm like you bullied. People begs stayed. You little weirdo now. We get riddle versus lashley and this was a real kushida versus velveteen dream match for me because i just got to rebel and seeing a shitty person get the crap kicked out of him and yeah. That's exactly what happened bobby. Lashley decimated riddle like he destroyed them within the first minute of the match. Riddle had like a busted lip and that just added to the brutalities. Bobby kept beating him down beating him down and then after the match because yeah it ended quickly like riddled tried for that bullshit from last week where he kicked off the ropes distracted. The referee tapped out and then rolled up lashley. Because i guess they're trying to make him eddie guerrero or maybe orange cassidy. I don't know what they're doing with. This guy tries for that again but lashley keeps them away from the ropes and he is forced to tap out with both arms. So riddle has been absolutely destroyed. He's still grabs a microphone though and he still is like hey mvp. I couldn't beat. Bobby lashley but i can be you like okay. Yeah i got to see matt riddle more today. Cool and yeah. Mvp in plainclothes has a match against riddle and mvp looks pretty good. Coming out of this hits the ball and elbow but then the very last minute fuck it. Lashley just comes in spears riddle out of his nonexistent shoes and they lead a beatdown on matter. It'll and i loved this because the hurt business has gotten boring lately. It is kinda forgotten who it was. It's forgotten that they just come out and beat the living hell out of people. It's forgotten how violent it can be and this week was a nice reminder of that it was very very fun then we get a promo between. Aj styles and adam pearce. Who is the number one contender to the universal championship. And i know not. Everyone likes that. But i've seen what adam pearce could do and that makes me very fucking excited so. Aj sets up like. Hey if i win the royal rumble and you go on. And you somehow beat roman reigns. We could be event. Arrests appears like shut the fuck up. I've got us to buy job. Still an official at which point drew gulag comes out and says he wants to be in the royal rumble. And this is kinda weird. Because i've never seen. Wwe publicly outside of a few times be like all drew. you've got to earn your way into the rumble. Aj styles is in the rumble. Because he's a j styles. I'm like okay just blatantly. Show the double standard there but yeah it was really fun and then it sets up a match that could have been phenomenal pun intended. Aj styles vs drew gulick. If manages to win he gets put into the royal rumble. And i was excited for this. Because i was like i know how good drew dulack is and he was like this match. It was very short but it was very good but then drew gets tossed out of the ring and then almost scares him and he goes back into the ring and gets hit with a phenomenal forearm and gets pendant. I'm like no fan. No this needed to be in my opinion like remember before he joined Seth rollins and before the ray mysterious bullshit. When murphy was in that weird storyline where people thought he ran over roman reigns with a tractor whatever that storyline was he put on classics with roman with daniel bryan. I think he actually beat daniel bryan. That's what is needed to be. You could promote goulash a little bit builds him up put him on the level of possibly getting united states championship match and yeah put them in the rumble and then people see him as an underdog and the rumble someone to root for but no he just kind of gets kicked out at the last minute but yeah this is one of the moments where i'm like. I'm kind of glad. They had time to waste because they gave them more time than i think they were originally planning to this match. Maybe wasn't even playing. Yeah i liked. It was a really good match. It was really really fun. It was fun back and forth. Kara all over again so now they do a five minute video. Explaining who goldberg is in case. You've forgotten in the past two years and yeah. I just skipped that. I did not watch that and then i had a really cool moment. Where keith lee came up to triple h and was like you've had my back since i came here. Let me have your back. Let me take on award. And i fought him before i can do it again. I'm two matches in. I can go for three interpolate. Says no i have to do this. I have to what i started. And i like this. I like i like an xt guys showing us. How much triple h has done for them. Like i honestly wouldn't mind in the future. A stable of next guys led by triple h like running roughshod like that would be really fun. 'cause i like it shows more personable side to triple h because we either get the game or we get corporate age. We don't really get the personal side of him and this is a fun moment showing that then we get a tag match. Between nihay jackson shayna baszler versus mandy rose and dana brooke. And this. I love this rivalry. I love it for. I can't wait to see them win the tag titles. Oh wait. This isn't a fucking rivalry for the tag title. And this is where scotty gets on his soapbox again because all of this could be so much better if you made one small change back at tlc net change is charlotte flare turning heel kicking oskar in the face and allowing shayna baszler to pin her because now instead of this weird rick flair bullshit heading into the rumble. We get charlotte versus oscar. Which is oscar seeking revenge for all those years ago when charlotte ended her streak and then we get niane. Bay livers is mandy and dana. Who i surprisingly. Do not hate dana. Broke is okay has gotten so much better and you would have had to great storylines coming out of that. And like that's even better for mandated dana. Because imagine if they did win against bays learn an idea you can say they did. What oscar charlotte couldn't i mean. Yeah there would have been the. He'll turn bullshit in there but even still like. Yeah it was. It was a pretty good match. The end of it was okay. is backed up in the corner going for something shayna blind tags and then just full on chokes out like it was like she just clocked in for work at dunkin donuts. Use like ara. Tom to make doughnuts and she's dead and then jackson looks very very upset because of the blind tag which point i thought is going to be a match between them when we come back from commercial but instead we go to commercial and we we come back. It's randy orton vs triple h in a fight. And that's the thing they kept saying this entire match. This isn't a standard match. This is a fight. The fuck does that mean there's no stakes that this it's just watching dudes do some punches which i understand a lot of people that's all wrestling is but it's going towards something it's going towards in a last man standing match going towards making sure he stays down or towards making sure he says. I quit going towards a three count. It's always moving forward. This wasn't it was just kind of there and also because how long triple agent randy's orton's entrances dad like fucking seven minutes to do this whole thing so all night people have been waiting for randy orton and h to fight and they got seven minutes of it and orton quickly. Takes control beats triple h all the way around the ringside area but aaa traverses sends orton into the steel steps before rolling into the ring and sledges back. That's right the sledgehammer is here. He's pulling it out he's going into the ring and i loved this as he's starting to get into the ring. The lights start shutting out. Obviously showing the theme is here and triple eight sees it and then goes fuck it gets in the ring and then more light shutout and you see him go. Should i be worried. I'll be fine and then more light shut out and then he finally goes all right. Let's fuck it. Ended picks up the sledgehammer. Sledgehammers on fire was so good said okay. They're tearing them this around. This is fucking good. So then the light shutout and then i assume this part was pre taped. Couldn't see the screens in the thunderdome. So i assume they had done this earlier in the show and triple h is gone this. The entire owner of the arena is a lot darker and at that point i said are we about to get the cocoon opening the darker. Version of the fiend bliss. And i said okay. This is interesting and then she holds up her little glove. That says pain. Because i what is play in pain. I think on her gloves. I can't remember holds it up. Looks at randy. And i said oh he's about to turn around into a fucking sister abigail or a into anything the fiends hear no instead. She fucking shot a cane. It's faith and i was. You were doing so good. Wwe you were doing so good you blitz shoot a man in a face again and it intrudes. Wwe fashion raw went off the air with randy. Orton go and he's he's okay and sell those sound effects. Were the words my face like shit. They were doing. So great then fireball. I leveled at pindi in. I can use fireball. Now take that randall. Lyneham okay so yeah. Raw was actually good. I think i'm going to give this a medium. Well no medium well means bed this medium raw medium so i was like a four out of five. Basically it's not full on raw. Because i did still have to watch rick. Flair trip is own daughter in an attempt to maintain relevancy but Yeah outside of that. It was good now. I will say i was a little in all of my reviews. You do need to take with a grain of salt. Because i didn't watch this live meaning. I got to skip commercials and entrances and recaps and all that basically. I'm giving you the distilled version of raw and making sure leg and it sucks because if you watch it at one point five speed and skip entrances recaps and all that it takes you about forty five minutes to watch all overall. That's how much extra shit they pack in there so for the distilled good version of raw four out of five. It was actually pretty pretty good. But do you agree disagree. Let me know on twitter at scotty. Mo- y. m. o. n. Remember to donate to us on patriotic. We got extra videos over there. We got extra content and we have our exclusive discord where you can hang out chat and watch wrestling live with us every monday wednesday friday. Yeah that's shows and is always remember to follow us on twitter fight boy show because when you're a fight boy you're a fight boy for life.

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A Case of the Mondays | Featuring: Drew McIntyre and Keith Lee

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49:59 min | 1 year ago

A Case of the Mondays | Featuring: Drew McIntyre and Keith Lee

"So following program original W. W. E. podcast coming up. We're joined by two superstars that I'm a massive fan of here on the podcast. Odd cast drew McIntyre in keithly plus it's rumble season meaning we are almost on the road to Wrestlemainia and I'm in a bad mood starts now. Welcome welcome welcome to after the bell. I am still corey graves and let's talk about Monday night raw. Last night I wasted wasted three hours of my life enduring. What was an insufferable television show? I'm going a little hard in the paint but I mean Senate from a place of passion okay. Raw was not all bad but it left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. I watch Monday night raw from a very different perspective. Now for many years I called every minute of the action and I was kind of stuck in the bubble whereas now I'm sitting on my couch in Pittsburgh next to my girlfriend and my dog trying to enjoy Monday night raw as a fan. I don't watch it to pick it apart. Obviously I watch it so I have things to talk about here on after the bell because that's what I get paid to do but man oh man oh man. Last night was tough. Last night was hard last night physically made me angry. I tweeted something to the effect. And what really really set me off was the Lana rousseff bobby Lashley segment. I've beaten to death in. This is of no fault to the performance from from the hours of eight PM to eleven PM. It has nothing to do with any of the talent. We have gotten more talent then. We should even have the right to have. This is not their fault but the shows as a whole have just been lacking and this segment was what really set me off because I noticed they went to a wide shot and in the middle of a match in this heated rivalry rivalry that has been brewing for months and months in small eternity. The entire crowd was silent. Nobody was moving. Nobody was clapping lapping. It was complete apathy. which in this business is the worst thing you can have? You can be cheered. You can be sure not everything works but to have an entire arena. Full of people not reacting to anything that was happening is a problem. That's what piqued my attention. And then it got worse for weeks and weeks and weeks. You have been promoting live Morgan and this return and live. Morgan is set on this show in my opinion is a star waiting to be born. She has this unusual reveal in the Llano Lashley wedding which everybody had an opinion on right wrong or indifferent for the last week or so. She's been promoting emoting on social media. She's going to be in reuss corner for this match up. Lives abson until the very final moments where she comes to the ring and gets coke thrown interface face and beaten up by. Lana tell me why anyone in the WWe universe should pay attention or care about live Morgan. It's not lives fault. But we've been and told for weeks that she's important she's going to be a star in the first time we see her. Do Anything of consequence she gets beat up rather effortlessly by. Lana what's this going to lead a to roost. Seven live versus. Lana and Lashley. Whoever wins what does that do for anybody? It's just beating a dead horse. Let it go let it move on. You have have four talented superstars there. Let them be talented superstars. Because this isn't it. This is just another the latest example in a series as of sort of call backs to what was once the attitude era. I read the Internet. I know a lot of people have been clamoring for the good old days of the attitude era and there are times where I look back and go man that was the boom period that was the best period is being a wrestling fan. That's what really took my fan hood to the next level and made we WANNA be in. This business was the attitude era I. I'm off by saying a lot of people that listen to this podcast. Probably look back and go man. I wish wrestling ruling was like that. But the thing is the things about the attitude era that we miss are not cheesy Jerry Springer storylines in four letter words and and boobs. The attitude era was awesome because you had a bunch of superstars who were allowed to figure things out allowed to be themselves allowed to connect connect and work pigeonholed or forced into these garbage circumstances and every once in a while there was a terrible story line but people made at work. Because you could laugh at yourself. It was tongue young and cheek and the talent made each other better. It was a competition night after night. You Talk to stone cold you talked to triple h anybody who was on top. During that era you you had to figure out how to survive and it made everybody better. It made the product better. Yeah there were a ton of awful. Horrendous storylines may young gave birth to a hand. There was Katie Vick. I mean some of the worst storylines in the business's history took place in the attitude era but as a whole the business. This was on fire because everybody had to step up. Even if you were in a garbage circumstance in a terrible story you had the opportunity to make your own path and I think that's that's what we need. That's what we as fans miss from the attitude. Era Not Crude storylines not lewdness. Not You know puppies and jokes like that we need more action and guys who were bad asses allowed to be bad as is allowed to be entertaining which I think is the goal for ru seven this entire scenario to make rousseff be entertaining but also be a bad ass but give him somebody to fight. Give Him some circumstances that allow him to be a star and show what he's capable of. I mean the fistfight. The first ever. We are so enamored with the first time ever. It's a fistfight. It's frigging wrestling. That's what every wrestling match is in. WWe around the. It's a fistfight with cooler moves so to promote the first time ever a fistfight which is a rematch. By the way from the week prior and all six guys and again I have to say this to death. It is not the guy's fault. All six of those guys are top tier superstars. I am excited for what they're capable of. But walking into the end of Monday night raw looking like the LA. The fight scene in anchorman isn't it and since when did you bring weapons to fistfights. Who the hell made the rules for this? I'm as confused does anybody. And while I'm ranting pissed off what the hell's happening with the street profits had these guys on the show a few few weeks back there super talented. They've proven themselves. They were massive stars in Annex. T there too of if not V. Two most charismatic guys on Monday night raw. And they're doing backstage and then they're doing weekend update and then they're in a match and then they're not and now they're backstage yelling and doing promo at like I don't get it. Let Street province be the street prophets. Let them go let everybody be themselves. This micromanagement stuff has to stop. We our own worst enemies in this situation. I just I just want to be a fan. I want to enjoy it. I WANNA watch my friends be awesome stars and have great matches great matches like Buddy Murphy and Alastair Black. They had great matches. I'm looking at the big picture. If I don't know who buddy Murphy is. An all I see is two weeks in a row. Him Lose Alastair Black or two times in a row. Why do I care and again? I don't buddy Murphy's wildly talented. He's going to be a megastar. I'm just thinking out loud here because that's why have a podcast. I caught my breath. I've let some of the anger out of my compressor. I'm going to take another deep breath and drink some more coffee. I'm under arrested. Did an over caffeinated. We are in for a hell of a life is all about balance. GotTa gotTa take the positive with the negative got all the negativity out of my system breath with me. Okay good calm down. Let's talk about smackdown smackdown. I had actually intended on starting this show before Monday night. Raw talking about how much fun I've been having on Friday night smackdown on Fox. It's it's been a slow but steady improvement. Everybody's got a story everybody's involved in something. It feels fresh. It feels fun. Fun The whole kind of overarching vibe of Friday night smackdown to me is not overly intense. Not Everything is serious issues in blood a feud you've got the one got Corbin and Roman and all the moving parts surrounded and everything else is just fun. I don't know any better way to say it and I get paid to speak so I guess I'm pretty terrible. The one thing that did stand out while I you know vented on Monday night raw and this has been a wwe wide problem for years. I'm really really over the potential contender beating the champion prior to the championship match. I feel it happens all the time time because it does and it happened again. This past Friday Braun strowman beating the Intercontinental Championship game. Nakimora not only because I am a massive Nakimora Fan and I wanNA watch everything that he says Arlen. Sammy's do I think there's so much money in that trio. I love it everything about them. Sammy so obnoxious you just want to punch him in the face. which is what a good bad guy does and And I love Braun Strowman and bronze seemingly kind of been a man man without a country recently and he seems to have direction now and he's moving toward the Intercontinental Championship. which I am very okay with? I just kind of want to wait until the championship match to see the contender. beat the champion. I just feel like it makes it less than but again it's flavors of ice cream. Everybody likes different things. It's not a bad thing. I I just want a different thing. I feel like we see it all the time. I miss wanting to know man. Is there any way the champions GonNa lose to this guy. That's on fire this number one contender challenger. WHO's setting the world on fire? Can he finally knock off the champion. I missed that chase in that anticipation elsewhere. Swear on Friday night. smackdown we've got the Otis and Mandy rose drama which despite what I say about Otis on television. I'm a huge. which fan of I like heavy machinery as a unit Otis is something man? He's an attraction. I remember talking to to Daniel Bryan about it the other day. Daniel Bryan is encyclopedia about this business. And he realizes there's something there with Otis. The guy's a freak athlete and he's bizarre and so unusual and it's a lot of fun. I like to see where this is going personally. I feel as though it's a little bit more like an elementary school. Romance like Otis. This is GonNa put to Valentine's in Mandy Roses Valentine's box in class giving her a cake that his mother made seems a bit elementary to me. I would like to do you know growing up a little bit can be some romantic comedy stylings. But Hey I'll take it. It's not bad a lot of good stuff to get you. You want smackdown but I only have a limited amount of time. So I'm going to jump to annex t where it became more evidence. What a glut? An embarrassment minute of riches the winners division. Xt has in one segment. You've got the NFC women's champion Ria Ripley. You've got Tony Storm Bianca. Belair Kaley Ray Candice Laura Shirai not to mention the people that weren't even on the screen at the time you got. Shane Obeys Lured Dakota kyw teagan knocks me. A yelm Chelsea Chelsea Green. I remember once upon a time when Oscar was running roughshod over the next few women's division and everybody said there will never be another Oscar. I was one of those. The people then comes along this woman by the name of. Shane Obeys Ler who equals if not exceeds. What Oscar accomplished in annexed as women's champion? And then you think there's no way anyone's going to be as dominant as Shane obeys lower. And then you see all of these women in the ring at one time on on the same roster. The potential is limitless pun heavily intended because of my guest. Keithly and I would be remiss not to talk about an xt the UK takeover blackpool to an awesome show. If you haven't checked it out yet log onto w network check it out right now. It is worth the time. If you're fan of annexed next to UK you loved it if you're not familiar with an x t UK. This is a good show to watch. You're going to get is on a bunch of talent that maybe you aren't so familiar with but really stood out to me actually happened before the car even began. It was on the pre show. I was watching with Tom Phillips. And William Regal and Andy Sheppard who by the way shot Andy. He's doing an awesome job over there. I can't wait to see him stateside but regal said something that really struck me especially knowing him as well as I do and is highly respected acted as William Regal is in this business and this company Regal said that this is the best atmosphere in wrestling. It looked visually awesome awesome. But you could see the excitement on Regal's face and he's such a stoic quiet type that he never really puts things over over as far as excitement other than when he's doing you know onscreen character work so to see he was touched. He was tickled and excited about what Blackpool was going to be. That's his is hometown and I don't think anyone can disagree with him. If you watch the action mean Jordan Devon and Tyler Bay just tore the thing down triple h was putting it over on twitter afterwards and the other thing back to annex t that really on a personal note made me excited was the Internet in the announcement that the time splitters from new Japan would be reuniting INEX- t in the dusty Rhodes tag team classic Kushida has has been a staple in annexed t for some time. And what can I say about Alex Shelley. That anyone that knows him has already said what. A dude We've lost touch over the years just because that happens in this business. I remember working a lot with Alex Shelley on independence for years and years and years ago. the guy is is a tick a technician ignition in a just a really cool dude. I love Alex Shelley getting his just due under the wwe banner in any form. So welcome. Alex Alex hopefully I will bump into you sooner than later and the other thing that stood out to me while I'm being positive is a new exercise for me. I'm trying Austin theory. I caught the Guy Volvo when we did that. Co promoted event on the network a few months ago when he was the evolve. Champion Austin theory that dude is going to to be a megastar. You probably didn't hear it here first but if you did give me all the credit the guy's like twenty one twenty two years old built like a Ed brick house of you know what do can go right. Future for Austin Theory stamped double stamped prediction bold one after the bell support. For after the bell comes from Manscaping manscaping offers precision engineered engineered tools for your family jewels guys. I know some of you have had your fair share of manscaping mishaps now. I don't need to go and all the gory details. But you you need to know about manscaping. They've totally redesigned the electric trimmer to be safe to use their lawnmower. Two Point Oh has proprietary skin safe technology. She won't snag. Nick you're nuts. Finally manscaping accidents are thing of the past and trust me. 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I'm fantastic you don't have to say that just agree to to your podcast out of done it anyway. Oh wow well never mind. I take that back onto to win it as I keep seeing every week infested weeks you know have still not had my tape won't virginity. It's only been about see. When did I get signed twenty one? I'm thirty four now. Thirteen years do one. I'd say so I've been on here clamoring for it for weeks and I know I'm not the only one but let's let's take it back a few years. Obviously you mentioned you've been in. WWE for quite right some time but there was a long layoff in between and that I know we've had a conversation off. Camera really caused a metamorphosis in drew McIntyre not not only the performer. But as a man walked me through that. What really went through your mind when you were the chosen one to no longer under the WWF banner will basically? The children went started when I was about twenty three twenty four when no Vince. Endorse me on television. That's not something I knew was going to happen. I would just in guerrilla was aware of Promo and they told me is going to see a quick thing and then you just go out react. Okay and then he went out and television. Put Me over as a future world champion as listen you know. He didn't say when I mean it's still future. We're still happens. It can be true when it happens when it happened. It was right like always is. I didn't know that was gonNA happen and it was a huge moment for me when always asks not pillow pressure on your change. Anything absolutely not everything that's happened happened for a reason. This taking me on this journey was on and obviously things didn't work out with the Chosen One saying the. DNB thing happened and then obviously fired. I'M GONNA go at that call very surprising call the MB were on everything. I seem to recall him to tell me that I was booked on something else and they said No. In fact I your fire says okay. Okay and that moment. I sat down and thought to myself. Okay here's your opportunity even thinking to yourself you can do so much more than you're doing a lot of people that believed in you and asking. Aren't you stepping up your game and you know you're not giving it your all which is true and I told myself that day one hundred percent in every area from this day forward. I'm going to show the world. The Galileo after McIntyre really is and from that moment I started putting together my plan of the Hell is going to get out there within about three hours at arrangement. First appearance in Scotland they arose surprise appearance at the big show in Glasgow and thankfully that went. Well make fully put it over the phone goals podcast. The ball got rolling by first notch. Lindy evolve title gives posted. Really give me a huge platform an opportunity from that. It just kept steam Roman steamroll in thankfully you know people just kept giving me these opportunities. And I was able to prove that you know of his actual franchise player unable to carry a company on my back and more importantly like you said I went from from this boy. You're gonNA throw opportunity and extreme. Wasn't giving his all to finally growing up and becoming a man who was doing but it was close to do all along so that that point a lot of the stuff that you've said in interviews and on television about eliminating complacency that's something you truly believe I mean like I said we've talked a lot off camera and I and this is something that's not a. It's not a gimmick. It's not a character. It's not some some catchphrase. This is truly with drew. McIntyre has become one hundred percent. I am psychology. Not when it comes to that and my drive. You know didn't necessarily love this guy psychopath name. Because I wasn't necessarily doing entrance psychological television. Let the real drew Galloway as psychotic strive Dr always wanted to do. I did let that huge opportunity slip away and I don't regret like a safe all the ups and downs of into the man. I am today the position. I'm in not ready to take on every opportunity given to me but if you've seen over the past couple of months a few different things happened where I was doing. Eliminating complacency replaces which was me then. Suddenly I was just talking eating carcasses for a brief period buddies with a bunch of guys which wasn't the real drew and over the past couple of months I'll given the okay to hey show them the gallery. Show them dramatic there with no as things start to change. I heard your one of your ass. Let people be themselves what you're seeing right now on television Asian Extra Galloway dramatic and so noted. You've been doing the the countdown to the claymores. That's something that you came up with or was the purpose behind that. Yes just something. I've felt in a house show once I just did it. The crowd got involved. You know I've always like outside. The company was very interactive with the crowd. It'd be Metro Promos or Jeremie match. It was a big thing for me and coming back to raw was always ill so serious for alive because that's what they wanted to portray and finally only when I got the okay to just be yourself because all of us thinking the whole time and telling them the whole time was six thousand. Five hundred. Seventy Pound Harry Scotsman. no-one can relate to me. Yeah I need to let them in a little bit. Just let me be myself. Show them up a bit silly fun crack a few jokes when it comes to kick ass. I guess that's what's GonNa make your lethal thankfully that's what we're doing now and people are responding to as considered only three to one thing that just came out of nowhere that came out. And how did it and now if I feel it I do it. Now you'll see one hundred percent drew. Why not the real drew is a bit of a wrestling junkie? Like so many of us you eat sleep breathe this business and you or a lifelong fan. What would you credit if any particular match your superstar that kind of set you down this long winding path as a kid? I don't think it's name specifically. It's just always like what I was GONNA do. I can't remember exactly my brother and I started watching it and my cousins like as long as I can remember I was just overly obsessive. My brother night together are low match carts and we'd have the matches and played a part of Tressler but we wouldn't just fight like brothers where you're fighting ain't for real would work together to have the best possible matches for the news. Always very weird you know. Putting over the stuffed animals by age eleven that was sent to America for the NCAA secret pro wrestling volume went onto by desperate for spring and that we talked about the inside terms until to keep k favor as Coda time books in my briefcase locked away and play along with the guys at school. Who still didn't quite get worked and I was just not in my head said Yeah? I'm keeping Khusaibi right now. Let till like hotels always looking for a wrestling skill and it was nothing the UK the time as you know they used to travel the UK. All the time yourself. The scene was dead. There was no wrestling skills and it wasn't until I was age. Fourteen finally convinced my mom. Have you traveled to the F. W. which was twelve hours where we live in one of only two skills in the you get some Alex Shane. He ran the London branch and marks Lewin reports with Bryan. So I was mostly at Portsmouth. Alex health time since I was fourteen. Fifteen terrible influence future advice to those that have children when they're fourteen. Don't let them in the wrestling business. Otherwise they turn out like like me and drew you mentioned the UK seen being really dead when you were kind of breaking in nowadays. It's Quite the opposite we've got a T- UK making a lot of noise over there. You keep is on that. Keep an entire time. Since I was gone for number to be in combat to be I was blown away. You know when I got signed myself in shameless where the main feud across Europe feud across Scotland england-ireland. Dyrlund on when we got side again the scene which is nothing and it was all star wrestling. Brian Dixon's only fulltime place. Where I worked during my school holidays the when we need to? W W for eight years and coming back and seeing the level of talent that had grown and not just like in ring the characters and stuff and how different it wasn't how big it was getting. You know what we're just really something special and I saw an opportunity okay. I think I can really help here with experience. Obviously with icy W in Scotland Scottish. Oh so that we can really do some cool things here. It was the right time the right roster. Everybody was so boulevard and we took that first show that I returned with fifteen hundred people to my first big Schumer won the title. We got two thousand people and then the following year the big show radio four thousand people in the end of the biggest at the time independent. You know about thirty years. We got over seven two thousand people. I was just incredible three par of that been period and feel like no really made a difference of. WB The names. What Sales John Scenic Central? You'RE GONNA make a difference but but W W Tickets but being no somebody who's actually given tickets and seeing the difference in business as one of the biggest highlights of my career all very special not that I did it with my friends who had a name name stands out to you right now whether it's in the UK or beyond selenium right now around the world wrestling so many guys so talented got their opportunities accenture to win exactly and big names of the time the Rakish as well ospreys when when I wrestled damn I the heck is going on here. These people aren't human the things they can do even watch genetics to UK and see you know some of the guys like the Gallus you'll get an opportunity it to be on the UK takeovers and Tyler being Jordan match. Just unbelievable and big Walter that we would briefly survivor sears news. I know everyone was very upset with the clean more and I slow chip of late to revisit that when the times when I signed me up of fleet. Do that something that I get to call. 'cause Walter versus drew McIntyre. I'm here for it. What is on the horizon for drew McIntyre in twenty twenty as I mentioned at the beginning I think it's fairly tame to get the title shot a very interesting story? I hope we get opportunity to tell L. my rule story because we have so much each you know when I was a kid and wwe they'll have dark matches with Maga- before the useless were signed on a member for funny story quickly was enjoy this long before they were signed. Karen said with Dr Match with them. I don't think he was to help us in the dark match. But I think we'll see some of this guy match with them so he told Dan I'm GonNa mess with his kid. I didn't know I'm thinking. Oh my goodness this guy's crony so. He dodged me all day. I kept trying to find. Signed him chase him down to talk about the magic and you keep telling that this is like like kids so they can see me in the corner slim. Twenty two at a tatum. Agony darn is thinking easily GonNa Murder Rate Twenty minutes before came up to me and said this is what we're doing. Boom boom boom boom women out there easiest match my life back icon but we just have this wealth of food being a kid going into the chosen one saying the three MBA. We have footage from the independent places and just watch him by growth to where now. Aw On faintly getting that title shot. I think is a very interesting story. I think you know we're getting close. Actually telling the true story of dramatic anti-drug Galloway and the fans are going to really get to know me and finally relate to the big giant Scotsman. I can't wait man. I I would love to sit down and check out all that. The footage and Lord knows when our company puts their mind to something they make better video packages and twenty four and chronicle and all that so give me one of those on drew McIntyre Kintyre. I have no doubt in my mind. You'll have your championship opportunity. Hopefully sooner than later. But Hey if it doesn't happen for another three or four years. Mr McMahon. I just said in the future right so I guess he's technically not wrong but the thing is I've been saying refused to see them the future in TV anymore. It's one of the writers. I was like less than I haven't seen this for twelve of years one day. I'm just going to see him the Palestine it was never evangelist. Got To say I'm the president also here everybody with a broken James Chat mode theme music. S Yes I love it too but apparently like the one of so I just want to show that different cause I got messages a day. It's in bring back broken dreams. Maybe it would work that video package. We're talking about there. I can't wait to see it and I for one in all about the The current theme music. There's something ominous when when that Bagpipe hits it's like Oh something's is about to go down as warm as it got to a badge my opponents every time it comes on I feel like I'm marginal only William Trafford of everybody. Ah Right on all right drew. Good luck to you and good luck in the royal rumble. You're still my pick. Even if I said I changed my answer. And let's hope that there are some big shiny wrestlemainia lights in your future. Hopefully there's a big title on the line fingers crossed. Just GonNa keep doing what I do. It's all you can do all you can do. Thanks I appreciate dement. The magical time of year is rapidly the approaching no. I'm not talking about spring. I'm talking about signed pointing season. We all know that beginning the night of the royal rumble. Everybody everybody who steps in the ring and finds a camera in front of them will point to the big massive wrestlemainia sign. which hopefully this year will look like a big pirate ship because because it didn't Tampa and there's a pirate ship stadium and it's cool but yeah it's crazy to me? It feels like we just did Wrestlemainia last year and here we are approaching the royal rumble. which to me is regularly kind of my favorite pay per view of the year just for the unpredictability the surprises and the stories that can be told in the context? Most of the royal rumble matches Here's to hoping another successful year with some cool surprises about Nyah. Jax last year coming out and competing in the men's Roll Rumble L.. There's usually a return or two. I don't have anything to spoil for you because I like to be surprised on my own. So that's cool and then before you know it we will be at Wrestlemainia while King Corbin Kentucky. That's right it. It became a real thing. I was buzzed by our social media. Team on Friday before smackdown When I actually mentioned my sources on the show itself I wasn't lying for once I actually had sources that told me that Corbin Kentucky a city that apparently is large enough to host? WB Live. I don't know to my knowledge that I've ever you've been there but now I will make it a point. It is a destination thanks to you the. WWe universe forced the hand of the officials in Corbin Kentucky. Not to at least for the day. Rename it King Corbin Kentucky. I texted King Corbin to congratulate him and laugh at what a ridiculous situation scenario. Areo it is and he replied but I even got a plaque and everything so hats off to you. WWe Universe never underestimate people with a goal. I hope Kim Gordon has a massive role in wrestlemainia which I have a feeling he will and while we're talking wrestlemainia talking royal rumble. I am still still late to the party as I often am because I have little to no free time tried my best to check out new Japan Kingdom. Shout out to those guys. My Guy Juice Robinson Jason who I will never forget even though. He doesn't acknowledge us. And he is disowned us. The W family. I think it's really cool. That has gotten so big. They did it over two days. which doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility for Wrestlemainia? What do you think would you be in two due to four hour wrestlemanias or three hour and a four hour rather than a thirty one hour wrestlemainia likely we had for the last few years? I want to know what you think is the Hashtag after the bell. Shoot me a tweet let me know or you into the idea of a two day WRESTLEMAINIA. I think it'd be kind of cool. Make a whole weekend out of authority as a weekend out of it when you factor in takeover over in the hall of fame and everything but I'd be into two nights of action both nights being super important if you have the universal championship on one night and the wwe championship on the other. Two true main events over wrestlemainia. Weekend rather than trying to shuffle it all together might be kind of a cool idea not my idea just a cool idea. Let me know what you think. The New Year is here here and guess what listeners. It's time to get your priorities straight. If you're not protecting yourself and your family with home security here's my question. Why not simplisafe safe home? Security's like getting commercial grade. Enterprise level security for your home think about the type of security fortune five hundred companies have to us. They need to know. Oh police are going to be on the scene right away. This is exactly the kind of security you get with simplisafe. 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Greetings inside the -tations Things are quite well. Then how are you. I could always be worse so the WWe universe is pretty familiar with you and your work on an xt but It was a long journey to get there. So let's take a trip down memory lane rain shower. We how did Keith Lee come to be in. WWe unlike most people. I was inspired my grandmother rather than a wrestler and about three years in Some people would know him as Lance Archer. Some people that know him as Lance Hoyt take time he was in. WWE and S- Kinda said to somebody that. I wanted to look out for him then. I got invited to do some extra work I did. In my case. Get thrown into a barricade by one MR triple H and Also got poked in the eye by. Shane McMahon and punched in the face by Vince. Get the Holy Trinity. Yeah that was my introduction to the bosses that are of today so That was my experience. But at some point someone gained ain't interest in that first meeting and ended up with my first try out and I had one more that was in two thousand eight and I was turn down and then in two thousand eleven I did another little piece of extra work. And then I got asked to come back for another tryout and I was also turned down and I really wasn't sure sure what I would be doing wrestling wise going forward in two thousand thirteen when the performance center first opened up that fall. I was a part of that first. First Class and I was turned down a third time and so I really wasn't sure I was going to continue wrestling and Then I had a conversation with One Mr William Regal and dusty Rhodes and a brief few words with also Mr Jim Ross and I think that without those first two I probably would not have continued wrestling to be completely honest and I pursue the different dream. Wish was just making it on my own on the indies and uh-huh and building a name out of sheer willpower. And eventually I did enough good deeds and turned enough heads leads and shocked enough people that eventually they came looking for me and it was completely different at that time. So it took the Almost fourteen years to to get this very long journey. Yeah just a testament to keep on grinding all all the time and you You mentioned shocking enough people. I'm assuming you're referencing your skillset. Which is quite unique for man of your size? What really inspired you to you? Be Able to do these sort of things I mean. Let's be honest too. Many three hundred pounders. Who can move you? Do I think that that conversation with dusty and Regal was the point where I decided to just be myself. I spent a lot of time coming up in wrestling trying to be what everyone everyone thought that I should be in terms of what a air quotes big Guy But in my history from sports sports to martial arts. I've always been a very versatile type of athlete. I've never been stuck in one thing thing and how I felt like I should be in wrestling and a lot of people think that After that dog I decided to just listened listened to myself and bet on myself and at the end of the day. It was the greatest decision. I have made now. You mentioned what he three hundred pounder air quotes should do. I've been privy to some of those conversations I've seen come through the performance center Braun strowman immediately comes to mind a guy who's surprisingly agile agile for his size. Has that been anything that you've sort of been coached on or or they've tried to break or change about you since you've arrived in annex t was your style and your athleticism I wouldn't say that they've tried to break it or changes. I think that they wanted to when I first got the they wanted to see what else I was capable of or if that was all I brought to the table and it took a long time for them to. That's kind of attention to those things and see that there was more to me than just a guy. That's really athletic. And and I think that that may I don't know this for certain but I think that that may have had some. I'm sort of start. Stop scenario because no one knew exactly what keeps me was. They don't see something like me on the regular so. I think that I was a puzzle that people were trying to figure out and put together and once they manage to do so then uh there became some some sort of confidence maybe to get me more opportunity and then when they figured out that I could thrive then came more opportunities and so we found ourselves in our current scenario. We'll triple h was on the show not too long ago and he spoke of the importance of creating reading news stars and really just seeing who maximize the opportunity. And I think you definitely are one that stands out in that. I remember watching exte- and I had known of you and would bump bump bumped into each other in the past but to to you kind of came out of nowhere even next T- whereas you weren't really featured at the time and then next thing you know it's Keith Lee. Main event with dodger Kovac and whatnot really opened. A lot of people's is fast forward a few months and you find yourself at the survivor. Series opposite Roman reigns as the last two in the men's survivor series match. Definitely in the moment I was supremely focused and such as my nature when it comes to an opportunity I have every intention to smash it as his best. I possibly can in hindsight. That's probably the most bananas scenario that anyone could have ever thought of completely unexpected and Still hearing the effects of it To this day and I'm sure the little reverberate for a little while Get don't just find yourself in that situation you that takes some I think trust and a certain level of belief and maybe maybe just taking a chance to see what woody lose weight owes. You still have unfinished business in an xt. You've earned yourself North American championship opportunity with Roderick Strong Is there still a lot more business you wanNA take care of. And what are the odds. That Keith lease focused on making Arar smackdown appearance in the more recent future. I don't no what my future is in the next team. I know that right now. I have a great opportunity to earn my first piece of Golden. WWe Me and that's supremely important to me I think that it's something that can be a defining moment and everything that I've said about myself improving it and so My focus is there right now but I certainly wouldn't turn down any opportunities I Going forward for other places in terms of raw or smackdown. It'll just depend on how the for lack of better terminology. Cookie crumbles appreciate that outlook greatly. But I'm going to ask you to shift your focus totally break your concentration. There is no no way you can strategize what is about to happen to you. Keithly this is potentially the worst segment on after the bell but when it it is called the electric seat and I'm going to rapid fire some questions at you. Just give me an honest quick answer as fast as you can. You will have one minute to answer as many questions. as you possibly can if you win you get absolutely nothing wonderful whistle fantastic game so Keith Lee. Are you ready I am. AM prepared do your worst one minute on the clock Keith. What's the last thing you bought on Amazon? Get the body white with alcohol. Your Favorite Pok Mon childhood celebrity crush to Pango who good one favourite four four letter word darn secret hidden talent building computers. Actually Mario Mario or sonic sonic favorite song. Tennessee whiskey dragon. Ball Z or my hero academia my hero academia your go-to Karaoke Song. If I ever fall in I love by shy. Go favorite cheat meal favorite city to wake up in Darn that's a really good one. We're out of time so you win. That was looking for your Secret hidden talent to be your singing ability that I became privy to in Vancouver not too long ago but I promised I would not put that into the universe so I apologise. Maybe or maybe we won't brother right on well Keith. I'm having fun watching watching watching your journey and your growth here and wwe good luck with the North American championship match and big things on the horizon. I hope I think I made a prediction here on the show that I see you in the royal rumble match. But we'll see how that cookie crumbles fair enough. I am in agreement with you. I'm very hopeful right on and good luck. I'll talk to you soon. Dude thanks Last week on. ATB decided to try something. A A little different wanted to get you the listeners involved and you disappointed let's be perfectly honest. I wanted to have fun. I didn't WANNA fight on twitter for once I asked you guys who in the WWe universe would fit into the man delorean roles and I got a couple of good ones. My favorite game from a dude called Jake storms with Z.. That means extreme. It's like spelling extreme with an ex you end things with a Z.. Because you're dangerous He thinks maybe Yoda. It should be played by drake. Maverick I kind of agree. I kind of want to put drinking a little carton. Push him around even better if he could just float it himself and follow me around everywhere I go. Oh spud. You're so adorable and I asked what the hell was an Eric rollins cage. What's in the box again? You guys let me down. Someone was like. Oh maybe it's a Komodo dragon or maybe it's a lizard and I. Yeah I mean I guess so I was trying to get some outlandish fun out of you guys. But you're all disappointing. Shown a Agen agin aging something. If you write your name and I see it chances of mispronouncing it are hi Sean. Thanks Daniel Bryan's beard which I don't know what Planet Shannon lives on where beards can spew red mist or bite people's faces off. But thanks for playing. Sean you're the exception to the rule. You did not disappoint me this week instead of me asking you to do actual work involving evolving your thumbs. Because that's too much I'm going to give you some passive homework log onto ww network queue up the nineteen ninety two royal royal rumble. Get yourself prepared for the rumble. 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The Wrestling on a Corner with Keith Lee After Apologizing for Throwing Him Out of the Rumble Episode

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1:20:23 hr | 1 year ago

The Wrestling on a Corner with Keith Lee After Apologizing for Throwing Him Out of the Rumble Episode

"What up everybody? Welcome to another episode of the corner. podcasts cast by now you know that I'm your host kill. Dan's be here with the old man on dress hail today. The podcast is being brought to you by blue wire shoutout to the network work. We have a ton of talk about because last week we thought we ran through everything. That was everything that had to do with tests of Blanchard as someone on giving her the N.. Word past her using it at the wrong situation. We went in-depth on the topic. And then we pushed out the episode and Boone a second act and Tesla puts out an apology. That really wasn't an apology. And we're right back at this shit again and now everyone's had a week kind to digest calmed down and kind of see how they feel about it. I feel like you're emotionally reacted to. It'd be a different case but we kind of sat with this so now dre after a week. How do you feel about tests apology? A thing is bullshit. Yes I'm starting off the Patasse with a curse word after all the things that were saying no the people that talked to and everything else now comes out that she's basically saying she never said it and the apology reads like to me. In my opinion the apology reads. Like she's saying that she didn't say the racist term and may use the other like it's very coded language in there to me where she's denying she casino saying the word obviously but her denying the she's ever use that word racism and Blah Blah Blah. But that's from what we talked about last week. Racism wasn't the issue it was using the word and now that has been denied. You know she's making everybody look like an idiot he's trying to do. He's trying to make everybody look stupid. But but the reality is if there's this many people who know about this story I mean who's really looking stupid and on top of all this is like I mean and we all know. Social media is a short term memory. Unless you're raping little girls which then people never forget. Harvey Weinstein R Kelly. You can never get away. But like n word stuff people forget about it so I think tests hoping he goes away. We're not GonNa let this go away. This is not what we do care. We don't let things go away in the realm of race language and using N.. Words and stuff like that. Tessa we see you. We see you. I'm I don't even like Superman I I just I feel bad for everybody that was involved. Who has had her back? Because now you all have been made to look like a fool but as blanchet. That's the key to me now. All these people that kind of stood up for right. We talked about this last time. These people said directly out of their mouths. Some of these people said we spoke to her. It's handled now. She's saying been was nothing. I'm to be spoken about. which makes these people sound like liars? So did you speak to her about some if if you did. Then she's both face lying to all of you who are backing her so now she has other problems because a a lot of people came out on her side with this Scorpio hugging her. All this stuff if there wasn't anything to come out and do stuff four now. We're all in a web of lies and we don't know where it's coming from so she to me gave this more four legs with this apology in closing it down. And that's what happens when you don't get a sincere apology. And then in the second verse first. Second Verse of Holiday. She went and she seemed like she wanted to be the spearhead for chick racial change in the industry. Like I don't understand this. You're not sure is not your battle to fight issue. She pointed out how race in all the stuff place such a huge huge part and she wants to make sure that no one feels this way. Like what are you doing in our group Chat Someone Call Martin Luther Tessa like what are you talking about. Apologize Ev- move on now. She wants to be the opposite. I we made no sense. I'll be any sees deflecting. She's making sense by deflecting. The reality situation is this woman has been accused of using the N.. Word in a racist way originally then after me doing some digging and I'm sure other people were close to the situation where she didn't use it in a racist way. She using as determined determined endearment that why people should never use around black people and then that was what we are wrestling with last week. Now she's saying you know what I'm just going to deny everything because if I do that there's no nuance if I deny everything who's no new want. It's like if R R Kelly asking the question How are we talking about teenagers like? That's what test is avoiding. Because if she says well I use the anger the ER and she uses that language p the ride on there anyway so now does this now plausible deniability and she's basically telling everybody prove it. Do you ever recording. She is denying everything like a murderer. Like she's just denying everything so let's doing it. I just disagree with it because that was wet but the reality is who is going to say I fuck fuck with no more. That's really that's where the real thing manifest like who's really gonNA pleasure. I think the difference becomes. No one's GonNa say Fuck Tessa blanchet because everybody got make money right. They women who cares. Yeah but I mean they impact impact people still take indie shows. A Tesla will be somewhere wrestlemainia weekend. Right someone's going to book her. We shouldn't added to the panel. It'll really should should see wants to say while I did not do what was claimed. I stand ready to use my platform to support the fight against racism. However I can't know what Tessa you know how you can support the fight against racism however you can show up to our panel you come and sit down and speak and see and hear our voices and then tell us exactly what was said and what was done? That's great I start right however I can't example doing that but oh then she's a liar again. Don't put it out there in your statement. If you're not going to I will stay. I stand ready to use my platform her platform to support the fight against racism. However I can? They knew juror huge platform to come to our platform and let your voice be heard in front of a bunch of black people because there's an all black wrestling card before us does a panel which include black women and two black host. You come use your voice at that because that is where your platform platform will be heard the most you come and speak to the people you offended because I don't necessarily need Tessa Blanchard to speak to other white. The people about why. It's wrong to be racist. If you feel froggy you come and speak to the black people you offend vind. You always knew refs never gonNA show. I'm just saying says the right ear. I'm just taking it literally nonetheless. I I think because again we don't know we know some details. No one's discussing the spitting. I want to know about the spitting to like someone's face this person. Spend your face and it's twenty twenty. She did not do this image. She did not do this in practice. This was at a wrestling school. This was done. I believe Eddie Shimmer show. There's some software somehow somebody got audio audio video before after something of this. You can't tell me they don't. I just saw a man in basketball. Pick up a chair like he was in the middle title of a Jon. Moxley death match. And we'll this shit over his head and there was a million cameras out. I saw thirty angles of this man. Pick up a chair at a basketball game. Got To go one camera. One camera in that locker. I doubt it because I feel like the situation escalated so quickly that nobody has the audio or the footage of this I. I don't think anybody does. And if they are it's been three years. Nobody's GONNA come forward with everybody that's involved it's weird because everybody that's directly involved now indirectly involve of not people talk to Tessa not anybody from the outside anyway. Everybody seems like they were directly. Involved just wants it to go away. That's what's about to happen. It feels like Larosa. She he probably just wants to go away the women who are trying to use to throw dirt Tessa. CNN forgot who else Chelsea Green. Therefore therefore they'll find other ways for them. I just wanted to happens when they see your streets was popular. I WanNa see not on site. I mean he got twitter fingers. Maybe somebody's tough but again I don't know I think everybody just kind of wants us to go away and intestine wants us to go away to so by putting up this nonsensical apology because the vast majority of people that were made aware of the situation is saw it on twitter. They don't really know the details. Obviously there's a lot of people that didn't go as deep as I did. So they're just GonNa go well she apologized. It's over and it's not like more importantly it's not like tested this at like a hip hop show where she is now the minority the majority in all these people. Are you know coming after its wrestling. which is still this? The reason why we do wrestling with Stereo types. It's still not a huge minority demographic a Hughes African American demographic so she's only got to fend off a few haters in her mind. Everything else is collateral damage. So she's got to throw a few people like a Scorpio Sky under the bus US or wherever her friends are that are black or whatever so be it because it'd be the champion and impact still GonNa get the heavy push there's not gonna be any ramifications cases it's like Mike Perry saying the N.. Word and the UFC. There's nothing we can get mad about it but nobody at the top or nobody like nobody pushing them not to boycott whatever. It is. Nobody forcing them to do something about it. She Still GonNa work so yeah she's going tonight. And and we just gotTA deal with. That's why we have this show. And that's why this other African American podcasts. About pro wrestling. That's why the other African American wrestlers Yosemite a Civil Aviation Yucky and listeners. Fly Buzz of right now. It's kind of going away. That's the other question. Why is it so important for it to go away anyway? So she could is it because she is the top no not for her understand for her she wants to put her head in the hole like ostrich and just emerge after the noise is gone. I understand what she's doing. It boggles my mind. Doesn't I guess I I could see it. But it's Shitty why the other women are so quick outside of green and people who brought it up to bury her are so quick to say no. It's done hi. She were Rovic quiet. And that's because Tesla is the lead dog in that demographic I don't even think is that I think for for some people it is what's going to happen like it happened three years ago if we continue to have this conversation about it because like if anything if any of them are like me. I'm going to get idea real ruining someone's talking about race on twitter. They come out and attacked. I don't give a shit that's my thing I don't care I'm GonNa continue to do this to the day I die. That's why I put on this earth. That's how I'm gonNA leave this earth other people don't feel like dealing with it because they're not as as charged by converse about racist. I am so some people just want to go away. Because what good is it going to do for them. They don't see at the end of the tunnel. There is no fixing this. I don't think there's anything to do with tested for impact is just of course. They wanted to go away because the champion for testing. She wants to go away so she can work for some of the people that were involved they may not be as interested ingrates conversations and pro wrestling as we are and they're fine with like six or seven people on twitter calling him a races or or nothing done about it again. We're still kinda minority in this business so for them. It's like Washington keeps during the pot. Because if you don't have recording you if you don't have any evidence dude it's like the metoo move now versus then when women were getting sexually harass. It was like nothing's going to happen. So just let it go because you had evidence you had no video and you had no. You didn't have a groundswell else. Will people to support each other when this was happening so that shit just went away then when it happens later some people are like okay. I gotTA support group so now I can step forward and say you know what Russell Simmons is trash. He did all these things to me but back then. If you're the only one screaming out there about people like she lying and all he had to do contests doing is denied. Ninety late worse a lot of them. Just go. Who such that? You'd sexually assaulted her. Who's never heard of it tests? Who in were never heard of it? I do hate racism but never heard of it. That's how she's doing so until support system to allow these people to have voices and we support them or a vast majority of people supporting them. So Yo that's wrong. This continue attended happen or just go away it until it happens to that right. That's the next thing until someone expensive in their face and then says while she to them they call them the N.. Word and then it's arms again. That's my keep bike. I don't know Tessa from anything like in. She could be a lot better than she was. She may be reformed. So who knows I. I don't know her or people net nor I don't know where she's at right now but I can say if she was made an exam blow. It'd be completely completely different story. And maybe she'd have to be that example now I don't WanNa ruin the woman's career but I mean maybe this should be the groundswell or does it take. The six person say like we saw Hogan was going to be the example his ass back every other Saudi Arabia show exactly. He's too big. She is not too big yet. nope that's the point. If you can't say down overtired Asshole Cogan and he comes is back to work with a half apology and people are still going to cheer from like a lot of us here again. We are the minority. Me You guys. I Stack Greg or other people that are on on twitter. I'm not watching Hogan I'm not supporting this. The W. W. Spits in your faces. We don't care we're going to bring his ass right back. Yeah I mean. There's a possibility that Hogan Works Wrestlemainia. Above that and he and he horseshoe eating heart heart. Er did with hyperbole eight feet tall in words like yellow. And then I mean come on man he got away and nothing happened. Happened nothing happened. We are still the minority in this business. We still are clawing aggressing straws when it comes to get a bone thrown at us and we appreciate it you look at Kofi became champion. We up in ours. Does it took so long to get there. But there's still other issues in this industry that are troubling but there's not enough noise to make a change it really isn't and this test is situation. She just wants to go away in her apology in a statement which she's not going to react anybody do this is. This is what a lawyer would tell you to do. Shut up apologizing not even apologize for whatever and then so you never did it and then b because as an attorney. US Is there any proof. Does anybody have a video recording. No Ziemba volume known says your word against Yes. Her word versus like twenty who cares sees the bigger star and three years later. It's not like it happened. Yesterday is three years later and give it got brought up conveniently just before she supposed to win the title. He's a lot of sketchy things where people who are ardent tests supporters will say. I don't believe them easy. Twitter a lot of people look twitter and they go oh man she's getting killed on black twitter dot. How Small Black Shoe? Who really is it can? It can move mountains in some ways but like black wrestling twitter abuse. Nothing addictive a real life. It's just your own curated experience experience like most of the people that we follow on twitter are people that agree with us or shared the same ideas at us as we don't really go follow a bunch of trump's supporters orders on twitter so we curate our experience so when we see that our social media edged up in arms about that doesn't mean the vast majority of people are as well it just means are look human experience of black wrestling twitter which is really very small. We're not doing that like there's not enough this being done. It's just not and that's why why we haven't wrestling wrestling. Yes we're bringing it to A. I can't say bigger audience STAR CAST is huge but two different audios needs. I feel like star. CAST audience are people. They may not look like us. They may not be minorities or they may not be black. Maybe a different types of minority but they are still in their core hardcore wrestling fits so we have this unique. We're bringing this to a place where we're trying to get the casual wrestling fans to come out along with the hardcore wrestling. It's people who may believe it or not. There's a lot out there not even even know Hulk Hogan dropped hardy are they may have no clue. He's still the Easter vitamins. Guy Got to that so we're trying to bring it to their broader audience. It it's GonNa be it's GonNa be fun man that's what it is. It's going to be a fun time. Of course course. This is going to be a topic of conversation. So we're not getting everyone else may want it to go away. We are not going to let it. We WanNa pick everyone's brains on our panel about about this and other subjects. That have happened since our last wrestler stereotype. Show let's talk about what's going on in wrestling right now though because we have a packing act weekend a stuff to go over the first being. Aws on a boat this weekend Jericho cruise. They decided what we're not interrupting. The crews were willing to you know they have a stage wrestling matches. Anyway we're GONNA FILL MISS and put it on air taped and I thought it looked. Oh I thought that was cool again. It's a bunch of their hardcore wrestling. Fans I thought they pop for everyone. I liked the ambiance. I like the setup to me. They didn't need bash at the beach because this felt more like bashing at the beach old school than the show. They ranch weeks. It'll look one. I Enjoy Zoe best at the beach. I thought the graphics for best of the beach looked amazing. Like nothing out change though like the stage show all right but this time I saw someone get thrown pool. It was so first thing when they announced Gerehu crews. And it's like dude. I want to go on there then I thought about it and I was like dude. It's going to be a bunch so wrestling people are like me and if if you know anything there's nothing worse than like a whole bunch of light hardcore wrestling fans together like they don't shower like if you've been to APWG show like me and Marcus Vanenburg from Yahoo have been to a couple of you be like damn. They sent a message on a message. was like please shower before you come to this. If I don't go to something like it be cool to go with you on the wrestling cruise. The man I was looking at I was looking at energy but I don't know if this is necessarily for me but overall I thought it looks great. I think everything on a boat. I don't like it felt like those were hardcore wrestling things and they brought great energy that show and they cursed a lot. I A whole lot like they were chanting curse words all night but that was fun and I think that's that's what separates w right now from the. WWE is like those those fans look like. They're having fun. They're not coming like you would casually show up to like an NBA game for the Miami into show up and be like just to be there leave before the game as is this your like that Bra these days. These people aren't any there. In every match channing for everything looks like a great time. No I I definitely agree. The ambiance everything about it was good In terms of the aesthetics now the show itself. I have some questions for aid questions that some we talked about last week. Some I just don't see getting better. In the biggest biggest one is their lack of actual writers. Those guys might be good at or decent booking king matches or putting together feuds and they've been around long enough and it's a bunch of wrestlers or cody and the bucks and Omega Great Rape. You guys think you guys can do better than wwe or better than other promotions in terms of booking the right future and making sense cool but they have no clue how to get from point A.. which is making idea for the feud and booking net to point Z.? which is having the right person? Go in the middle. They have no clue right now how to tell those stories moccasins. I I the thing that's that's to me told me. Hey like it might give him a reason to lose but Jericho has you'll faction. What is Jack Swagger Dewey? Well that's that's that's different see. There's okay so you have writers who pushed the story lines the opposite you have booking agents for the matches you have an agent is like okay. This out of the Max is going to go. Here's WHO's evolvement. Like for me I thus far. I do like what they're doing with the Kenny Omega Adam page tax them tearing champions I think it was. I like that and I liked. How page address the young books afterwards? we got it before. I like that I don't need. WWe level of production and continuously. Even though there's not a lot of time but I don't need that for everything I do. Need it for some things and I've always thought about developing in this mid card. See there's for me. There's this weird balance because I don't ever expect a w to be able to tell stories like the WW. I just I want them to get a little bit better at it to this invested in weekly but when I watch a show like our awaits not now are we then when we really enjoyed it we think stories. We just WANNA see some good wrestling so I think if they can find a good balance in some of the stories like they do need a show runner they do do need a show runner. I don't they don't need a room of writers and I'm not going to be highly critical of what's going on at the top. I'm seeing the mid card just doesn't exist the Genera keeps Avian Cou. I'm actually cool with that. I'm fine with that. Little few they need more than the women's visit Sucks Turner. Br break. He'll good idea still sucks but I'm not I'm at the I get what you're saying but w w relied on that so heavily. We can't expect another promotion to do the same thing even when you watch them to go all that way. But I- impact tells better storylines than depending. Yes some of the storylines czar better right now but again like the stuff at the top doesn't bother me it's the non existent mid card. The bothers me. I don't mind cody few I. I don't mind the page Omega eventual. Split that's going to happen. I don't mind any of that. I don't like the absence of a true mid car. You're not heating anybody up in the middle like Jack Swagger Jack Swagger or Jake Hager whenever you want to call it whatever. The health piece served served no purpose. But he's like the bully in inner circle right and I watched him and then I go I say to myself what are really they want to do. I don't know the answer I look at them. I'm like man. He should be doing something else. I don't know I really don't know what he should do. Wardlow I look at him and he he should be beaten some as we know. We know who Jake Hager is that we look at them is like yeah. This is fine because if he starts wrestling like all invested like him versus Lucia source. And we're going to be super high. They need to do something with them. I just don't know what the hell it is and in for Awa the signing these guys and you go week to week and you haven't maxed is I just need a mid card establish I need a reason to watch the mid card. And that's that's that's what I want to care about guys disappear from week to week. That's what I have a problem with like the moxie storyline with inner circle. That's cool. I think they need the time television better. Sometimes it feels like the end of every show at the three minute mark somebody goes oh shit we gotta either ended or ended it too early to go shit. We got four minutes the whole borough or yeah they end early initials MOCCOLI in the ring. It's like every week. It feels like somebody communicates with the referee and the referee looks at him was. He's like you need to go home or don't go home yet. They just they have not been able to pin it down. And that's why I think raw put that fifteen minute buffer at the end of raw each week because they're like yeah if we go over what if not whatever but they have not been able to figure this part out and extend uses the hell out of that buffer to Hillians eleven twelve minutes. They don't even care this week. Went right up to fifteen perfect. So W W I just I feel like these past couple. Weeks have been good. Shows the women's divisions still sucks just women's division and the the card is still non existent but it feels like with like savings Danila. That's improving ob still giving it to. I don't have major problems with the show. Oh I thought it was. One thing I didn't think was funny. was watching all this shit on a boat and watching pack tried to do his finisher and clearly. They're on a boat in the boat is moving. He's trying to get his footing to do this. Do the Red Arrow. Whatever he tells it now? I thought that was funny. Like Z. Like the still. His finisher isn't isn't using the submission utter even no no no. He tried to hit it though that is signed calling the riddle isn't the blackout. Somebody's GonNa tell me but that is a super protective finishing nobody kick out of me if he hits it just like the one wing angel. Nobody kicks out of it. I like that. They protect certain finishers so so in summary. AWAC good this week. And I thought it was fun. A fun show even the shit with brick Baker. You're talking about Tony. She just likes to Savannah's facial expressions. I can't get past. Your body was hilarious. They're trying to turn a hill. Looks like they have to like you. Said you can't have a baby face. Dentist do all I think about Isaac Yankee. No one in this world likes going to the dentist so yes. She's a better he'll and they just got to figure out against the whole women's division needs. He's be figured out and I guess. I think we talked about it last week. I think the remedy for a lot of stuff is second show in. That's not the answer. The answer is is not a second. Show what you have but we'll see I'm still I still watch again. There's still a lot of talent that are just on a w dark right like they built this company to give everyone a chance but I feel like growing so give him time to learn grow but the basis of what a Lotta people thought it was like. Oh they're going to sign these people and they're not going after all these big names and they're giving all these younger ex time beyond television now all of a sudden it's like no you still have to treat it like television. You have to get your main storylines rides off. You still got to show you start. It's every week so people will come back into name and it leaves people out in the cold so you you still have the same name the same problems. WWe has in that regard. Like you'd have people who aren't on television or haven't been on television since you started three months ago four months ago just like I haven't seen Apollo crews in a decade. It's the fact of the matter right like you're always going to to have people who can't get on TV and they're running into that too. So what are you doing. The second show is that show for these people no is it. I don't know and then you have again you like. I understand planting the seeds. I guess for hangman an Omega. You gotta give Omega something to do. I don't know some reason. He still doesn't want to push himself whatever but want to give him in. Hangman's something to do. That's fine but they're not made card guys know what him in the tag champs and then it's like okay but you have have all these legit tag teams and your focus is on tag team wrestling and you side all these actual tag teams enhance tournament to then go into a wwe who we just two guys together though the belt on him to further their so low storylines that's wwe and not what you've said we're going to do. I disagree I disagree. I think you're nitpicking. Now because every pro wrestling promotion has done this every right now Thanh Hussy bushier tag team going after the tag team. Titles it happens and I don't think he's going to affect their taxiing. Not a division is horrible. I was begging for them to win the tag but I don't think the tag team division is going to get hurt by this. I think it helps. Because is there gonNA lose the tag titles and they're planning seats for feud. I'm fine with this. It's not the WB where there's like three tag teams and everybody else thrown together again. Not that that's this is pushing a storyline. They're using tax dollars. Push a story line and got teams like private party in LAX. Because I can't call them proud and powerful Lucia Bros. like they'll all still going to get their opportunities. I just think this is a good way to tell the story. especially if they're going to feud with the bucks folks because it's going to turn into one of those things where page is going to tell Omega like either you with me or against me with a chance. They're going to have to wrestle the bucks and then on top of that who doesn't WanNa see Omega page versus the bucks I want to see. I mean Shit Dude. We'll talk a good match you but we're GonNa Talk About Annex T. You don't enjoy Pete done in Matt Rental Right now. I think they're cool. I think they're going to win the whole tournament but I strongly dislike when when two people don't together when this tournament Mike. I I really like Samoa. Joe Ballard but I didn't need them to win the tournament when they did but you like no no. I like the matches. I don't like throwing them together and then letting them win no not. I don't like the brochure. Weight's going a link to win this tournament because they are grizzled. Young veterans are not going to beat them. Because there's actual tag teams that would benefit from winning this tournament so you you think these things are going to benefit. No it's a good match and then what the winters gets a tag title shot so I mean you have versus. Let's be honest. Who gave a shit about the decimals? Classic after Dusty Rhodes classic who won last year. I'm not sure exactly you don't you eat. Maybe I'm just saying you didn't want everyone center Joe Ballot One and then what happened few right. If you remember like it doesn't rose. Classic is cool is tournament and you see taxing Breslin excellent we care about the maximum. We'll shoot about who is to the Jain Memorial about a royal does foot. That's true I do care who the hell the tactic champions are and if you have six legit tag teams against six legit tag teams you put the belt on two random people so they can feud that really ready to go there. The elite short. You put the belt on them. They're not a real tag team. Great to single guy like Bell L. Horsemen further if the horsemen had interchangeable members but if the horsemen if flair was in there and one of the tag titles people complain. Oy I think not all over. Germany never happened because they had a legit team. Yeah they have a built in legit tag team so it never have to have. The history of pro wrestling has happened tag. Teams a break up right right and the teams that come together to thank you. Sting and Luger like you go down. The line of singles wrestlers using forward attacked. He won the title and feuded off of it. I'm fine with this as long as it's not the norm. I'm fine with this. This is this is. It's not a big deal you making this. A bigger deal is the same. Who aren't the Olympic? I think you hit the nail on the head as long. I'm not a pattern. Okay what rub you wrong way already. 'cause it's like there's twenty other texts he want. We don't need a hot potato with the belts so the Musha Bros.. They hold the next into the box. Hold it the exit getting the ship for two years private partying Ardian getting it for full like so you. You look at these things like if you're going to change hands and you don't need it to be a hot potato then then you know you. You're Kinda now delaying these other teams from getting. Tell Salvaging your argument because this bullshit. You're just really trying to salvage argument. 'cause I but it's cool if it's not a constant thing I just looked at it and say that's not really what you guys said we're going to be about wins. The lawsuit is losses are also posted matter and so far. I've seen a jungle boy. He never wins but he'd been whooping Chris Jericho's acts acts like this guy and a lot of offense after getting zero wins in eight offense wins. It's January it's the. It's the end of January relax. He's not getting a title opportunity. The Knicks preview ready have one. He didn't have time to hang with them for ten minutes. Was Eating Tile Opportunity calmed down. I just need that and if you're GONNA walk back to walk welcome back that's fine. I just watched sometimes now. We talked about the pace and everything else. Whatever they'll have time to fix that but there's these things it's like wardlow Nazi swagger? No it's true it's six. It's six to eight guys dream. Everything and everyone else doing now. He W star in October. Relax just how much time you give you. Give them a time. But I'M GONNA be honest meeting talk you have to. You can say things but I think you're nitpicking about some silly shit and it's like w w hangover stuff that you'd nitpicking about it is maybe. WWe fought it did because do ouro wage TNA before they became impact like news. Japan they all have everybody has issues. Nobody's going to be perfect and taxing stuff. If he became the norm after a year. Then I have an issue with it. I don't care right now. It's it's pushing a narrative especially the storyline fine with that young bucks may end the best attack team champions. Isn't that what a lot of people wanted to begin with correct. And then they end a few with lax. You can't blow your load immediately. We have to work to get some things. They gave us the ladder match already Eddie. So kinda gotta calm down a little bit surprised a party Batak Chevy's no they're not really made you co Puerto. But now I mean as a you. I don't know what the different as I thought. That was going somewhere when they became titanic and then Frankie came back the cool and then I thought they were going to push Scorpio in Nashik. Honda just ended abruptly. I mean look like it's going to compare it to anything like the Viking. Raiders had the most non memorable tag team champion runner. I can remember yes. They switch off them this week even to push a story line like they did it but I mean yeah. Something's don't don't work like some things you go. This'll work and then the fans go I'll give and that's the way. They sell the Vikings every week and they were like. I really. Don't give a shit about this I. I really don't know you have to call an audible because Monday night. Messiah Wesley Blake which is strange. You feel authors page attack chairs. Whatever exactly yeah exactly? Because they have a built in tactic. Note I gotcha. Yeah but I'm just saying the point. Is this new. Faction has a tire titles because they just can't carry this shit nobody gives them and they don't want to go in another direction. 'cause nobody's hot right now so you're GonNa put it on the heater. The heater is whatever whatever south Rawlins's calling this collective which I get into it but it's a good way to get Kevin on Samoa Joe Feuding for the tag team I'd get a bunch of non tag teams but I get to me at least get four talented people in that so I understand. Maybe I am picky. We touch all the bigger issues that you didn't get enough marshmallows in your lucky talk some shit calm down. It's all right. I prefer cinnamon toast crunch. Thank you very much. which is the number of all time? But that's that's fine. The crunch berries also has played an overture. You're not far off number two so target about annex or are we talking uh-huh about the duty but let's go to exceed because it's on the same night Wednesday. I thought again an extended the better overall show but this this is just what I come to expect. Now from extent they've settled into the two hour window to me. It is now as good or better than the one hour shows word weekly and I thought this was another example of that so we had the tag match which was a little bit too long the browser weights. But I thought that was a good tag match. We had You'll Shirai in a match which is cool always seem real and then we also had it all wrapped up with what Tiv Lee versus. He's righty strong which I thought was a great match to close out the show. Good show you said it was a great deal. That was good. I thought the chassis blackheart match. I didn't care for it. Get over. That were cool. Well I think this is like an it was a good show. I'm not saying it's bad show but it wasn't like Awa. I thought they were both been shows as we thought. The righty Keith League match was had was gray. Had A great finish. I think you know they put in in reality. The annex t go home so should be the better show than e w go home so let's also show your worst colossus weekend supposed to go home but they're takeovers February nineteenth. Don't okay this there's a there's a network special and they pushed narratives for UK versus an exceed on this show. Go Home Chill gone all right and it was a good show it it was it was it was not a batch of care about Chelsea black. Shane obeys I thought it was really disjointed. But everything else was perfectly fine. I think annexed knows what they're we're doing they have good shows the fiddler squash whatever pushing them along having a DJ Z.. See what was that had had done contraption some guys are going to have some guys just GonNa continue reading a DJ. I know some guys is going to be C.. Three all right. Say they're going to be three. They're not gonNA oh he may still be a DJ but now works like a marshmallow like weird as alien head. It doesn't translate well to go get a DJ Andy Solution but yeah good show you know what I was really stupid last week because I said we know the dust rose classic is going to happen and I said the wrong thing because I said it would be undisputed visit imperium. I should have thought what after I was like. Dude it's got to be a four on four massive both them have to lose but I think about it at the time was they made the right decisions here. We'll surprised that undisputed sputum loss clean. Didn't they clean she those prize by the undisputed but again Oh fuck everything else. The Walter Chuck was the best thing on television this week. People listen now. There have been people who I have been saying on social media and other places. Where's this big wall chopping? We've been talking about because a lot of the times from whatever reason lately. The Walter Chop has been banging like a use nice to. He's he's hit it and it's been like cool like the takeover blackpool he hit it a coup. But this the Adam Cole Chop that's Hokey so this week your whole the sound off with shop there is a camera angle going around twitter where someone is like the second row recording it. It sounded like he was shot at close range. That shit was incredible. And it's not like a soubriquet right. It's not like you can slap your thigh and make that loud house. No no that was all hand on chess and the so was amazing. Who who backflips? It's after a shop. I wouldn't be surprised Cole had welt Saturday. And we'll do inference to my my experience was I was in my kitchen not making myself something to eat while I was watching TV. And I happened to look down when imperium got in the ring and heard it and it startled me because I was like winding now it I was like Oh my God you could've. There's certain things in pro wrestling that you can convince me to take a lesson in German. I'm good I don't want to take action. He's just throws people on the head. I won't take that Walter. Chop is another thing. I want a partnership. That's ridiculous because there is no. You can't take that bump. I'm not like a flat backing it. Just taking a hand to the throat with upper chest area where your heart is just might die. I want any parts of that shit. I don't call nothing like a champ. He ran into motion behind. Like that's all I enjoy. Enjoy chiefly karate off the ring even though it was a little slot because I was like damn right about land on his head and I like that spot now because the visual is amazing this this is Adam Cole. Taking this bump. He took that but we from one to the crowd and he's just a gift machine like take deeply bump into the third row from that you had me tears. Do The keys Lee popping up on thin Baylor is the best creepiest gift on twitter. I'm Kief we coming into focus in anything is like the best you've ever comes up. And he just he gets. He's growing on camera camera and I think I loved it. I think that's that's great. Nothing but let real more. Because he's funny Matt Reynolds. Yeah yeah he's like he's high on. TV right yes like. They're not drug. There's no wellness program for Matt Riddle the band. But he that guy's gift whenever the he's one of those guys we we've been a guest. I WANNA say similar to Adam Cole. Because we had to wait for them to put put the title on coal metals. GotTa have the same issue we kinda cooled off and then now he's back in this dusty rose to the using this as a vehicle in a tag team seem situation to put him in vehicle to start strapping the rocket back to the kind of had do this and you see on television. You Watch him work you like. And he's really fucking fun. Good you kind of forget. Sometimes how good he is. Now all this to say because we're going to move on and talk about Royal Rumble and in worlds collide alive. I want Keith leader in the world. That's it rubble keithly listener wrestlemainia. Give it to me you never do. You can see them. But you'd see vic do strike while Irish hot but it just all out. How do you look at this guy like Keith Lee? How do you look at this man? Dan and say we're not going to have the rocket tool those American titles. Sky's the limit for keithly. If you're looking at a match of Brooklyn Max that would be believable for fans brock. Actually lose shit is Keith Lee. GimMe Gimme that just on a fun thing. Jimmy like Matt Riddle Eliminating Goldberg in the road. Mobile I just I really WanNa see I love that he has the throw hammer in his normal repertoire. In the riddle chant like just rumbles for moments like this is like I've been roaming watch also take matt riddle versus Brock Listener. Ah The I two as well as the woman killed but yeah I mean these doing royal rumble which are about to talk about the second. Do keithly winning. Don't that would pop the hell out of me now. I wouldn't trust them to do anything right by man. It's a match where he doesn't necessarily have to win. I guess because he already has a championship in NFC. Sorry it wouldn't hurt him too much much all right. Let's go two worlds collide. I'm just GONNA go down to match card. We have imperium of war versus the undisputed disputed era all four eight man tag. I feel like this is new Japan with eight man tag. I I like it. I A A undisputed errands had a tough time mill. And I think I'll walter has to look strong mismatch so give me imperium to beat undisputed era in a decent match opener up. It's a lot. It's very hard to have like a four and a half five star Stout match with eight people in red. But I think he's going to be entertaining an imperium once going back and forth about this because I feel like imperium kind of needs the rope because INEX- t- UK needs the road to losing. It's like okay. That's why I've been watching the first fucking place. That's what I feel like happens if they lose the undisputed era like when I'm watching NFC one. I'm watching the era lose. I'm like damn put him over but I will say maybe Walter gets the pin fall here. Maybe Pins Adam Cole. Maybe we somehow get that program. I know we're going to Joplin Cole. I know that's where we're heading. But champion versus champion match kind of here for it Cogan Pin by Walser. I just feel like Walzer is a guy that you look Eh. He's another guy who could wrestle. Brazil pass believable. He's the look at the Brooklyn are losing. I don't think I think Brooke will have it in this country. I'm not taking the issue but like I look at Walter as a guy who should legitimize an entire brand by himself for the record. I don't like imperium. Shares his interest in song. Just me I think. That's I'm just Walter nobody else fuck the rest of those guys that's Walsh's yet instill UK hinges on his shoulders because everybody else's cool but while says the guy so I think he should go over. I think he should destroy undisputed. Probably not going to happen but if you WANNA legitimize him and then do something with him at Wrestlemainia whether it be on the main roster in a match or next takeover. I think you need to plant the seeds of him beating shit out of people. Otherwise it'll be like Marceau bartell just eating a pin from Roddy Sean or some shit like that. But I hope imperium wings I would love to see him versus keithly at takeover takeover have you ever seen the maxim. PWG crazy right. They just market on nuts they shit. What go conquers you? Think those Dacha Cova matches with keithly great and because I've watched one of the PG and those are great. Yo Walter and Keith Lee for the title. PWG was like a it was like the fucking murder scene. They just were killed each other. Yeah I WANNA see that. Give me your. But you'll notice like my philosophy Durham worlds collide is much like what. I saw an annex t when they went out for survivor series. Is that exte- meeting the rug. More than the two main brands so an extreme one a lot a lot more than matches I think now is n exceeds time to do the same for you kit. So impairments I my opinion second match rea- Ripley versus Tony Storm. Ria Wins. Because you can't call Ria down there all right now so annexed. He gets this one but history. Tony Storm being the first champ Excuse me the second chance and extend can't beat Lebron. Yeah Yeah. There's no way we're going to lose this match. He's got a pro Bel air about into the NFC takeover takeover Portland has gotta get. This is like asking Becky Lynch Max match. Rea- couldn't beat Tony Storm Oscar continuously beat on Becky Lynn's most of them going to go over here so it'll be really improved so much. It should be a really good match crazy. The storm is super good too. So it's GonNa Be Really Fun Valor vs dragon off. I gotta go in again. Oddly enough even though I said it's it's GonNa be an extreme K. dominate paper. You but valor doesn't move here if he does is because now you know what. Give Me Dragon off to win. The only guy is Johnny Gargano caused valor about that. That's the only thing I could see happening. You drag one of those guys are trying to heat up in the UK as well and him just look. It's like a little muscle man. Look it's like a Daryl Williams complex. But he has crazy is like he is a bananas in two. Different colors makes faces. He looks like a hatchet face from crybaby. But so I think that's what they're gonNA do but ultimately I I think is going to go over. I don't think they're going to allow dragging going on. I don't know the interference angle but I think because the hasn't match it might keep Gargano out of it so I'm GonNa Take Ballet. is He still feels like a guy who's dot re loose to anybody unless crooked okay. Then I'm taking valor to interfere. Diy Somehow someone is costing an annex. T T T can't you know go away with all the ways The four way for the NFC clearly championship. This is going to be shocking. 'cause Angel Garza just one but I think this is a match it can be ran back at takeover. No harm no foul so little bit of a hot potato with the crew championship but who cares excuse not to a five of annex t cruiserweight championship. And I'm going to say Jordan. Devlin wins the belt. Well that it was my pick guys listen to me. I've been very high on Devlin in his match. Against Taliban takeover was probably one of the best matches the year in in. WWe Obviously Russell keenum like owns three of those matches but this match was just as good as any matches back. That match was just as any match inch. Devon's a guy who has the look the style but nothing exposure and him getting the cruiserweight title. Give him an opportunity to be seen. So I'm really in love swerve but each time. You Buddy Join Devlin picking him as the guy and I think in both cases it would be considered an upset because people look Garza's maintaining and going into things take over the Noman Devlin's the Guy Right. Where if you look at this cart art I know it's annex t UK versus exceed? Well there's like one two three four five six seven eight this is about twelve inex- you guys who could be UK including rear ripley infant ballot. Those guys but whatever but Devlin I feel like devilish you win this much greed then we have. Diy back again versus mustache. Mountain mustache mounting wings. Somebody's interfere I don't care if it's undisputed interference or in Ballard somehow some way johnny tomato are not getting out of this Mexican the now I'm GonNa pick DIY. And I think this might end up being matching the night. I think he's GonNa tear the roof off. I I think transcend was gonna ease the pain here. Feel like he's just the guy that each pins so that is his role. Yeah which kind of sucks. Because it's a big strong boy. Nobody even wants to be in him but yeah USA pins so I think the The reunion of DIY is going to be white guys. Tear the house down it. Just get a clean way if if this opening maximum. I don't think they're going to do any ding-dong Hokey shit running. This thing that this is one of those matches they it did because they wanted to do it. They wanted to tear the house down by the way. Do they come out separately or do they use the old D I. Aw Dude got a big music. You have to use the theme song questionable be deportable rebel. I think so too. That's going to get a pop though like immediately you're going to get a courtesy pop but they come out Pre show. I don't really touch on me. A Universe versus Kidney Rabia totally ruins all right. Let's move on. Yeah I mean she sees the champion. She's not she's not loses. They're getting that one but shall be getting anywhere on that card all right now. It's time for the Royal Rumble. Even have to go all over raw and smackdown anything. Can I say this. The go home shows are super weak. Like what a weird show this uses wrote rumble is usually to be interested in your season and we went last year's roll rumble and it was a good rumble. But like storylines built in this. This one is really really weird because I feel like there's only one person that could win which is Roman reigns any probably won't for whatever reason but I can't i. I have no idea who should win the role mobility him. I don't have a clue been. We're going to go down the list DOC and guess. That's what brought in early. Keynote talks out. Sooner or later earlier more than later Brock's going at our deep rumble. Do like seven minutes pre show I think show andrade versus Bertel Correo for the United States Championship driving. Just got it so he has to win. But that's GONNA be one hell. Yeah I mean the ladder match with gray was really weird lesson. 'cause it was felt like so many like good. I thought they were GONNA kill each other but they all. That's what I'm saying. That's what was weird about it. Felt like the with a lot of like barely misbegotten should look credible but they ended up being kind of sloppy. But it was crazy. Like you actually going to hurt each other like a good way relaxed like he doesn't kill each other but that being said I'm glad we believe in Andrade. You gotta be converted correal and it should be a good match. Shoutout to everyone who popped for me saying drought was going to become a flare laterally. Gladly I wholeheartedly read that so I appreciate all you. People call it that Mix snatch shortage versus shameless. This is it's got to be two minutes right. SHAMELESS IS GONNA win. Like I feel bad for for shortage e but come on. Okay thanks so dot between him by squashed by Siemens ricochets is getting kicked in the nuts by brock lesin. Some just feels like Vince is already giving giving up on and raking shades hanging around the mid card. That's nice me around using matches in like hey number. One percentage last here by the way but why give him a Mike. Hey Bronx fake. Oh come on get sense vacaville pressured by the way. I've tried so hard not to laugh because we can save my boy. But you had it down Pat Douggins Elizabeth as bad what should shut the hell of wrestler got damaged cell like a Saturday or the cartoon sounds like like he this Kentucky. He comes out like everything about him like. He's a phenomenal worker. Horrible on the might and this is awesome. Kills me but anyway yes getting squash you look. People were like. Yeah Man. Look with the newest shortage. Either give him something to do gays going to lose Jason Jordan back now. I think he's done. I think he's just working backstage. Produce in Asia role. Now he's done. Yeah I think he is but I mean we thought there was like shooter later juicy. Ah No it'd be great to have back because men American Alpha's needed in the tag team and to save shortage. Chad gave bless his heart that we have Bailey versus Lacey Evans care. ABC's Lacy Ah Bailey right now. This Sasha banks should be champion. Sasha banks is carrying Bailey. She got the belt. This feud Sucks Bailey. Fields miscast is lacy Evansville. miscast this is one of those things they booked themselves into a corner was like just making hand please. Yet they really like Lacey Evans for whatever reason that whole mom thing yeah. She's on socks. Some people get like we don't actually I really don't like a baby Fazli. Wow about this later. I'm changed by Lacy Ovens wins so sasha banks can take the belt over and media. We need the belt on soccer somehow. And they're not going to turn in Bailey face again that fast no prediction. Sasha Avengers Bailey. Be since he hasn't been made out just going to say really wins because whatever and the whole whole Bailey. He'll turn is tired already but let's get it over with. They thought they can have a double count out in. I'll clap. I don't give a shit as long as it's not a long Then we have Roman reigns versus King. Corporate falls count anywhere. This is why Romans Raines is not going mm to win the rumble. Could you cannot go through falls. Count anywhere match come out unscathed and then go through everyone in rumble. So he's not winning semi can't do any but he's not I he's GonNa win this match right if he loses uses. Who Cares but it's big dispute n please they dog? I feel like they've been going nowhere this next few days. They've been wrestling sling since Roman came back from cancer. Like the whole leukemia thing. They've been feuding since then made this in May stop. This is like like the song on an endless loop that I can't stand speaker stop so maybe Roma does loops in Roman loses. He's winning the rumble. He's absolutely winning. The rumble loses marriage. No he wins. He wins beat Ed Group. Yes Oh okay I. I don't know who's going to maybe keithly throws about stand with Keith leashes but figure to exist this is another I I just don't give a shit about in. This is false down anywhere that means like everybody is probably gonNA run into the show You the revival shows doll sigler. Bobby everyone it just makes it. And then we have becky Lynch versus Oscar a good match Beg Lynch retains of course. We often often that. I'm over her right now. You just want a good match. I have faith in Oscar show produce then the fiend versus Dan Bryant a strap match with. I don't understand why neither of them our country country what it is a strap match show. Look look why but WHO's trying to escape that's this is going to put the strap on the fiends. Let's say the fiend is magical mythical scariest walk who's strapping strapped to the fees and the Rep. The Rep should be scare. You should be crying like I don't know this news in the room. That was just like you know what we should do. What false comedy work? No Hell and sell. Oh a ladder batch know what the strap match Snoop Dogg meanness. It's it's that's a strap match usually matches go along with the theme like if there's the hell yeah hell no escape like false count. Anywhere is because you can't keep the shit in the race we're GONNA put on the asset two of three falls because he's guys are really competitive. There's always reason buried alive because there's a dead man walking or some shit like that a strap to strap match is because one guy always tries to get away from the other. That's why the match was created. This doesn't make any sense none at all like they actively WanNa go at each other trying to run run away from each other i. I don't understand the purpose of this at all. Right of course Nokia then. Brian will get some some offense in. Maybe the fiend is like. Maybe it's only a strap match 'cause somehow the fiend ends up lynching Daniel Bryan like he'd literally puts the shit around his neck like a noose and hangs over the rope and it gives like the most terrifying fucking vigil. Whoever like he's choking him to death all right? That's probably what's going to happen now. Right thank you. That's only logical reasoning for putting a giant along. Open the ring. He's going to choke and kill danube-rhine that's all I think it should have been buried alive because that makes sense scary creature burying. Mary do undertake looks cool talk. That should have been wait. Went then we have have the two royal rumble matches women's rumble. This is easy flick. So they're only five women announce for the women's rumble which means a bunch of women drop by. Yeah which means as they should Shayna. Basil's GonNa win the Saint Obeys Ler. Who just beat both champions at survivor series and doesn't can have a title should win the women's role rumble? Also because I'm looking at the list and I'm like Charlie can't win again. She hasn't won a road who's left. What Shit feels like she has? I don't want it needs to be a blood feud with Sasha she in different brands. I don't care fingers out seeing the business government that's it that's it. There goes my pay Charlotte flares winning the Humboldt being teased like a little. He'll turn by Charlotte the past couple of weeks. Why because Becky's a face and you can't have wrestlemainia without Charlotte arlit going for a title? She's not crossing brands. Charlotte is on the raw brand. She has to fight for the raw title at Wrestlemainia. Charlotte winds doable. Maybe the last two in it or Charlotte and Shayna Shannon lemonade. Charlotte we get a triple threat at me. I'll give you Dat Charlotte will be in the last two if she doesn't win it. All Shane eliminates are getting three women. No big chain straight up. Give me Cena because somebody's got somebody's title off barely. It'll probably be Charlotte. A I mean there's only five women now so there could what objects donuts join us out. There is that it's probably not keep saying Charlotte against being with separate brand. Who gives a shit show does what she wants? If you haven't noticed. Prince Putin barely plausible. Ronda Rousey came back then. Rhonda's the rubble and I'm all in for that shit revenge. Now that's just saying it's very possible. She could come back very possibly she comes. Back doesn't even win eliminates yourself eliminating Charlotte who knows but I just think sheena basil versus Becky. Lynch is the WRESTLEMAINIA match tomat- for the women. Because she has a victory but she didn't pin or choke out becky. That's what I say you can't have roughing it without sharp. You still have. She's still bears aware that you've got to find a tag team partner. Because she got tactic. Active built whatever. I just don't want her in. I don't want her to becky again. No no thanks doesn't mean it's not going to happen trick. Yeah Triple I. I don't WanNa wrestlemainia without the entrance. Don't we had a triple threat match last year. You think that's going to stop them. This is yeah. This is my next question to Bell's two best ends show becky beyond appreciate or Becky. Obey title wasn't issue. She says the title. I'm just tired of the men's royal rumble teeth. You see above island is go. No seriously for me is not going to be brought. If if it's not Roman reigns. There's only one other the person to me that makes sense that should get a gigantic push sooner than later. It's not gonNA happened. Drew McIntyre it should be true McIntyre not going you should write. Yeah that's that's the guy you look at him and said like that's money like he should have been printing money a long time ago but alas here we are no. That's not going to happen gene. We're going to get some weird like Roussev Bobby. Lashley angle in the middle of this Bush brought listening to throw people out early. Probably going to be in Brockton are truth in the beginning probably but oh yeah that should be dramatic is probably GONNA end up being Roman Goddamn rain so we can get to a fiend wrestlemainia mess. I just I don't know if the fans I use Os have heated up Roman. He's like feels really good. But I feel like the W is really excited when he think the fans are getting in behind Roman reigns and the daily pull the trigger again and the the footman. Can you just relax and let us joy this moment. Now they're they're gonNA do it again they're going to give them the roll rumble of people would like yea we. We didn't want that because Rome doesn't need to win the face. The theme Wrestlemainia. There's other ways they can get there. Are you ready for this fantasy. See booking with kill every year. There's favorite episode. So not only I'm GONNA fantasy book the winner of this of fantasy book. The whole Wrestlemainia Bill. Are you ready. No go ahead. But it's not gonNA stop so the winner of the Royal Rumble back to back years several Monday night. Messiah Wins Yes. I know. He's champ. It don't have a match wins the royal rumble. You're like Sev- versus versus brock again. No Rock is challenged at elimination chamber by Kevin Nolan's Kane Calls Brock that match Devon owns becomes champion him versus inset at Wrestlemainia for the title Brockton pissed and fights Kane at maybe Nobil that is my prediction. Oh by the way Roman reigns. Were months ahead wins the elimination chamber. He goes against the fiend of media. You did the right way to were there. In April initiative. Plays out like I called. I don't think so but since then I love it too to be honest with you the way I feel. I don't think they the. WWe really knows what to do for us. I feel this offer oil rumble to be honest and I feel like it's my book this shit on Saturday. I doc truly feel like because most years you start you head into the royal rumble. You you feel like certain things about to happen here. We might get a shot like Nakimora. Won't we okay going through his. Aj styles matched dramatic. Yuck oh we got this a heater here. This match feels like there's a lot of shit going on the not a lot of shit going on like the. The biggest on both shows is rue seven. Bobby Lashley Jesus Christ the Cold Golden Eagle. I don't know you gotta support got everyone black spot astrid. I'm not I'm not. I don't know this but I feel like lashes meg lessons Maga- I just feel I could be totally wrong. Somebody can correct me but I feel like he is feel like you're not far all and maybe it's just stuck with me because it was him and trump against this man wrestlemainia and he just I could never shake it and I also never say talks. It makes me feel like you. You wear on a Maggie had to sleep certainly like a bonnet aww Maga- Bonnie on his bio to bang out of them. Sorry it's just I feel but yeah this this is a weird as royal rumble. I really feel like this certain things that they think about. We're wrestlemainia like this whole agency. Styles and drew McIntyre thing but they all feel very half-baked wait. I don't feel like they really know whether your resume yet could be totally wrong. I think we're GONNA see Tyson fury and Cave Alaskans and somebody from the U. OF c-h-a-d Wrestlemainia. Maybe if DNC wallabies Tyson for ABC resume celebrity. I really don't think they know what they're gonNA do. Yup Okay no I agree But I like it being wide open. It's I mean it's super wide open right now If they give it to Roman reigns. That'd be the most obvious thing but I feel like they go in a different direction mentioning a style. I really like extensive. Just goes has to be him versus Broccoli us what. I don't think that's the direction to go but age as the coach Mike. If you need a champion eighteen thousand can be or someone in a picture like eight eight dollars worth it. But I feel like they have something with Kevin Owens Monday night. Messiah storyline so does not a tag team title match up. Wrestlemainia. It should be the main but I feel like it could be wants to just just for my own. Peace of mind has also black. Lost lost a match on Royat. Not all school all squash matches in the Buddy Murphy. Right Beaten Bird Murphy. Every time I can't remember it'd be okay. That's my door course. Also black fucking why not. I don't know what's going on. Fuck it was possible. COKIE leader we know for sure as we look at this list that we know who's not going to win Ricochet Corbin crews Tucker. He's booby in it. Easy vague courts buddy. Murphy's GonNa Lowly Time I'm a year we'll see it. Yes I look at all the people that are going to lose. I can't figure out who's been away. I really would like to see some Mojo really like see that not going to have what it's fucking awesome black hasn't lost match yet Feels like he's a guy has a lot going for them but they just haven't figured out what to do with them. It's just so we like isn't isn't that you want black versus the fiend but separate brands if you win the royal rumble. You do what you want. That's true it'd be a loophole. But I think Roman reigns is going to fight. Yeah no I know we yeah. I've just ready come to grips with that. I'm I'm going to be shocked. I already know it's not going to disappoint me. I know where we go. So yeah whatever I to me. I'm canceling everyone on smackdown winnings no one else like it's only people you'll why isn't a the Braun strowman since game Nakimora in a tunnel match. Rumble they just just fuck. It felt like they were going to feels like slow. Like feels like Nakimora had one of those icy tale runs that just. I don't remember him doing he's been in a tag team for half of it when I see the new title I'm like what I I see it every time. We'll see what the fuck is that. Oh I see title. Looks like twenty four seven title. Oh Yeah Damn it'd be great for Sammy's aim to win this shit though how crazy would be presented with a rumble. It'd be mad annoy between him. Elias right those final two. 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Who Will Win 2021? & Alicia Atout - Notsam Wrestling 324

Notsam Wrestling

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Who Will Win 2021? & Alicia Atout - Notsam Wrestling 324

"Today i'm not saying wrestling. I've got some thoughts on where we're headed going into twenty twenty one. The interview queen alicia to is on the show and we're just hours away from legends raw. This is not saying wrestling is free. Introducing your host from new york. Here is sam Welcome one the first show. Twenty twenty one. I not sam wrestling at twenty twenty one. Hope everybody's doing well. There's a lot to talk about today. As i said at least two. It's going to be on the show of you know she is. I'll tell you all about it in a few minutes but first we should make mention of the fact that as we're recording this show we're hours away from wrestle kingdom of course in the states wrestle kingdom starts monday morning at five. Am so that's the exact same time this podcast comes out five. Am eastern on monday morning. So technically yes. We don't know one hundred percent what's going on. We know that there's been a huge covert uptick in japan. So i think over the next twelve hours or so. It's less than twelve hours now at the time that i'm recording this but over the next several hours. They're going to have to figure out exactly how they're going to do things over there because while they are doing wrestle kingdom in in the tokyo dome again this year. I think the original plan was to hope to get like twenty thousand fans in there and what new japan has been doing for a lot of shows which is kind of genius is not only. Have they been separating fans and making them wear masks and everything. But you're not allowed to scream. You're not allowed to vocally cheer or boo anybody. You can clap and you can stop but you can't shout. You can't loudly speak. you can't do things with your mouth that would make globules of spit terrible disease carrying disgusting spit projectile out of your mouth and potentially onto the people around you. You're not allowed to do that anymore. So i think that's pretty genius actually But that they're not at no point were they doing twenty thousand. That was the initial goal. I think and then they. They settled on five. I think they were trying to get five thousand into tokyo dome. Which seats fifty you know. And that's where they do wrestle kingdom every year obviously But with this new uptick in the potential of of tokyo Getting a state of emergency declared as they're getting more cases of this a new version of covid then they even had with the original. I think i read somewhere. Like four thousand cases a day or something like that. There's a very real possibility. Kevin kelly their commentators said that the show is going to go on regardless but there is a real possibility that they may do it without fans. So it'll be interesting to see and by the time this comes out. I guess we'll know you could be listening to this and watching wrestle kingdom at the same time but within twenty four hours we will know but so we'll be talking more about that next week and also on thursday on the patriot exclusive podcast. This week on the patriot exclusive podcast thursday. Not sam thursday you can get access to it at patriotair dot com slash. Sam wrestling we spent most of the show talking about the luke harper tribute episode. That a w did a on wednesday this week if you're a wrestling fan. If you're a fan of luke harper and for some reason you haven't seen the show yet. I would go out of your way to see it. I mean it was. It was pretty remarkable what they did for this guy. There just aren't a lot of people that make an impact on their workers. The way that luke harbor did universally. Wwe has done some very nice staff. They put out a video over the weekend on their digital platforms Some of the superstars of the other people that work. Wwe giving heartfelt stories and things like that about luke harper tributes but Aws specifically the stuff they did would brody junior with his son in the multi person match with mj f. and the appearance of row in That really got me. The eddie kingston promo really got me And then the end of the show with harper or lease boots being put in the middle of the ring with a been dan at the purple bandanna being draped over the boots that that got me seeing the boots in the bandanna and then the tribute Montage that they did with it. Felt like there was not any company loyalty which was nice. It felt like it was just about brodie lee. And whose friends were. You saw all kinds of faces that you're familiar with from not only w but a ton of faces you're familiar with from wwe. They just basically scoured social media and just all the pictures that so many people in wrestling had put up about brody the they aired on their package. So if you have not seen that special. I would tell you to go out there and make sure that you do because it really was a fitting tribute to somebody like brodie lee. Who made such an incredible impact on the wrestling business and specifically on his coworkers and the people that that were around him The majority of the time so it really was a touching thing That they did on wednesday tonight. You got legends raw tonight. Monday night legends raw and this list of legends. That they've already put out. I think i've got like i've got like twenty five names. That i think are confirmed. The wwe has at one point or another set is going to be on the show. I'm always surprised you know. I should've asked him. We had bruce prichard on the wwe network show The came out on thursday a new episode on the wwe network this thursday. Not sam wrestling. But bruce prichard was on. We talked about santa claus and we talked about Brother love and we talked about monday night raw and you know i mean. Our time was limited. I couldn't believe that. I was able to get him to make time. This guy is so busy being the of of raw and of smackdown. I was flabbergasted and flattered that he was able to make the time and that you know he was just able to hang out for half hour thirty five minutes whatever it was and just and just tell stories. I it was awesome. It was an awesome interview. If you haven't checked that out yet. I would definitely go look not sam. Rustling on the free version of the wwe network. There's there's so i i did. I had a conversation with bruce prichard on the show this week. I did new year's resolutions for the did for wrestling and for wwe including from now on superstars do not wait for a tag in a no disqualification tag team match. Go ahead and jump in the match and save your partner so a bunch of a bunch of new year's resolutions hotdog me made a list of things that we wanted to keep going into. Twenty twenty one own kind of our way of saying as much negativity is there was about twenty twenty. Let's try to call through it and pull out the positive and we did that and a bunch more so check it out. If you haven't yet over on the wwe network. But i'm surprised that i was surprised that brother love and i wish i'd asked him wasn't a part of the undertaker farewell at survivor series. And i'm a little surprised that brother love is not listed on this list of legends for wwe legends night. And you might say well brother. Love wasn't really a part of night raw. You know he was on a few episodes of raw but really brother loved the legendary time of brother. Love was remmy. Five era like the eighty drinking before monday night raw. And while that's true you could say the same thing. There are people on this list. Michael hayes didn't do anything on monday night raw you know dok hendrix may be done a little bit. But they're a handful of people on this list that aren't necessarily raw legends but are just wrestling legends. And they're being celebrated jimmy. Hart for example jimmy. Hart didn't do a ton on monday. Ride a little bit. When hulk hogan returned and ninety three for that little snippet a time but after that he was gone again and he was in. Wcw with hogan so. I just think that as far as legends going. Wwe legends brother. Love is on that list. So it's interesting. I guess he's got so much to do behind the scenes. He doesn't have time to on all that red makeup and put that white suit on so we can just tell people that he loves them. A was actually a spot on impression. I must say But who they've announced. Of course the big names hulk hogan is going to be on raw rick. Flair is gonna beyond raw booker. T the big show tori wilson. Ron simmons for faruk. Jeff jarrett stidham slaughter. I wonder if sargent slaughter is going to try to extract any revenge from hall cogan. He's gonna try to get some revenge from hulk hogan for wrestlemainia seven. I wonder if i sargent slaughter. He really has seen the light. Maybe maybe he still is a little mad at hogan. Teddy long is going to be on raw as i said. Jimmy hart i would imagine if teddy long is going to be on raw at some point. He's going to turn something into a tag team match player. Irs is going to be on raw. I've seen people fantasy book that like he's going to be acknowledged as the father of the fiend. But this is what i. I hate that stuff i don't think. Irs should be acknowledged as the father of the fiend at all because irs is not the father of the fiend. Mike rotunda is the father of windham rotunda. But we're not seeing the return notes you know. We're seeing the feen and irwin r. Schyster irwin r. Schyster in canon is the father of the fiend bray white. That's insane they don't have the same last name. One is named shyster and the other is named wyatt. So no i don't think in the wwe universe irs embraer. Wyatt are related at all. So no. I don't think i read somewhere. That like You could have. Irs get involved in the randy orton. Alexa bliss thing. That'd be so stupid. It'd be so stupid because you'd basically be doing is you'd be sitting there and you've now built the fiend into this horror movie monster and he's a guy that is potentially going to survive being lit on fire and burned to a crisp. He's potentially going to survive that and what you're doing is you're going like this is not some mystical magical creature. This is a man in a mask playing a character. That's his dad. Right there pretending to be a tax man it would do nothing for the fiend. Unless irs comes out in some haunted taxman accountant mask. Maybe what's scarier than a monster the tax man but yet no that doesn't make any sense to tonka is going to be on raw. Yeah so like to target is a guy who i wouldn't say. He's a legend of monday night. Raw four ninety three. Yeah but after that not really but 'tatanka is going to be on russ and we're katie lennon dollars site mark henry coming back for raw the big show. I think i mentioned that already. Ivory coming back. Jacqueline molina. beth phoenix eve torres. Alicia fox candice michelle. You've got to imagine there's going to be something going on with all those diva era. An attitude era women that they'll all be couple together. I wonder if you know there were rumors that molina was coming back like a few months ago. Everybody was like yeah. No molina's coming back. Fulltime and i was like what i wonder if if any of these legends will be worked into coming back. Mvp was only supposed to be around for one pay per view an episode of raw in the ended up being a part of it. Maybe this is molina's big comeback. Who knows as i said michael. Ps hayes is going to be on the show. Kurt angle is going to be on the show when you talk about somebody returning the person that i'm really excited about who i think is extremely underrated and somebody who. I'm a huge fan of his carlito. I love carlito. I loved carlito when he was around. Carlito's favorite wrestler. They made a ruthless aggression era action figure of him with the shirt and the real feel afro. He's incredible i loved carlito. That's not cool. He spit apple in your face. Carlito is vastly vastly underrated. And i hope. I hope the reason he's coming back. Because you don't like carlito doesn't really fit in the same category as a lot of these legends. Like you don't think of carlito. He's not as old as some of them. He's not like a former world champion per se not to take anything away from what carlito didn't wwe but you wonder if maybe people like carlito. Maybe molina you know that. Was the rumor going around before. Maybe maybe they're coming back for legends nightmare going to stick around for a while. There's a hot rumor going around that this will be when Even marie comes back. If you listen to this podcast with any regularity if you listen to the exclusive stuff we do over unpatriotic you know. I'm a huge proponent of bringing eva marie back to wwe. I think she is a tremendous tremendous. He'll a great bad guy. And when you go through the roster right now you have such strong talent. You know the top of the women's division you're looking at charlotte oscar bailey. Sasha banks the potential of a ronda rousey coming back the potential of a becky lynch coming back like it is tough to penetrate that top seen just because all of those people are working at absolute peaks right now so i think he could be good to have even marie come in one. Be a bad guy that somebody like that can work with. Why carmella carmella is great. I think carmella is extremely underrated. Carmelo character work is great. I think are entering. Stuff is underrated too. But i think the reason that she's able to be in in main event. Level rivalries with sasha banks is she's a villain you know and and and you can. You can plug in there. I think even marie has the potential to do something like that and then also be able to work with people. Like whether it's a lacy evans whether it's Who know you know. Any of the various live morgan ruby riots. The people that are like can get there can get into that main event scene but in the meantime you know. I don't think you've such strong characters and such strong talent in the top tippety tippety tippety top of the women's division. That the risk that you run is if you're only doing one story involving women on a television show most of the roster is not going to get showcased because you're gonna do a storyline involving the tippety top of the talent. Because i mean there are among the biggest stars in wrestling in general regardless of gender. So i think bringing in more people like even marie who are character heavy. They can tell stories with women that aren't necessarily in the main main main event of the women's division could be really good. Then you're talking about being able to have enough talent and enough characters. Were you can tell multiple female centric stories per show. Because i think that's ex- that's what you should be doing. I would like to place where you're having pay per views that have a giant women championship match and then also giant female grudge match. Having three women's four women's matches on a pay per view shouldn't be that so far of the realm of possibility but in order to get there. You know you need those strong characters. So i hope Even marie does something look. You know i'm very hopeful with the amount of legends that you have on this show. I'm really hopeful that they get involved. You know i. I don't want this episode of rod is simply be a celebration of the legends. Because we've done that so many times the majority of the times i feel like the legends. Come in and it's a celebration of the legends and while yes we should celebrate them and yes. We should maintain the equity that you have in these massive brands that you've built the big show the holco rick. Flair booker t. I still think you know it's a little different with booker. T. because he's on the broadcast team. He's on every kickoff. Show he's you know he's he's kind of out there. Beth phoenix a little different. Because she's on the nfc commentary team but the people that are just coming in. Like how i would love to see hulk hogan involved with somebody not that we're gonna build towards a story with hogan and somebody else but just that at the end of the night you're talking about hogan's interaction with a with a current character. You know like. I've loved as he keep. We drop somebody like. How great would it be. If keith lee just turned heel in mark. Henry was like this. Is the guy right here. Keith lee is my guy keith. Lee just picked him up and world's strongest slammed mark henry right there. I'm not your guy. I'm not second to anybody. Okay you bask in my glory. Mark henry you do from down there on the mat. I think that'd be so strong. You know i. I i think that the legends don't get used often enough. I think there's enough legends here that you can do some cute segments and. I'm sure that they'll be surprises. You know. hopefully papa sean go pops up somewhere. Hopefully somebody slaps on that doing paint. I do kind of wish like bret hart was coming but who knows. Maybe international travel from canada's a little tough odd. The dax is not being advertised for the show. Since they literally have shawn. Michaels triple h and road dog. Not only under contract but in state they're not in tampa but they're all in orlando the right there in florida. They're doing annex t every week. I'm sure ex. Poc would come in you through a couple of shackles adam. Why wouldn't he. I would so interesting. The dax hasn't been advertised. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't be there. I think they should be there when you're doing the legends night but you know i hope there's some involvement you know you've got a championship match between drew mcintyre and keith lee again. I think it's a great night for keith lee to turn heel. You've got randy orton alexa bliss in whatever firefly funhouse alexa bliss playground. I don't know what they interview segment is called anymore but the bottom line is we're gonna find out of alexa. Bliss got burned to death or not last week. We ended raw with alexa bliss covering herself in gasoline and randy orton lighting a match. This we find out what she burned to death somehow on raw talk. They didn't know for sure for sure. If i were there i probably would've told charlie as an investigative journalist walk over to the ring and check and see if there's a burn mark there or like ashes of a skeleton like or like you know something that appears to be a an alexa bliss garment that maybe was burned as she was lit on fire. I feel like if we're in the room. Let's smell does it. Smell like burning flesh. I feel like if we're in the room where this could have potentially just happened moments ago. There will be clues that let us know. Did this happen or not. However we got no concrete answers so we will find out not only we have all these legends. We've got a big championship match. W championship match between keith lee and drew mcintyre but we will find out if alexa bliss was burned to death or not which is great. I the waiting all week to find out. It is a little bit. Jarring the keith. Lee drew mcintyre matches. Happening this quickly. that's why i would. I would vote to have either keith. Lee or shameless turn heel. You know. I personally my vote would be to turn keith lee. He'll in this match and start building that rivalry but if you have shame fully healed and what you can do is have shame as interfere and start a shameless keith. Lee rivalry which might be the point of all this either way. I don't think you get a clean victory nor should you yet you know. I think that this match should really be used as the first peace in the rivalry. That leads us to a keith lee main event program series of matches which drew mcintyre but again. I'd love to see keith lee. Slamma legend love to see randy. Orton arcadio all the legends. That beat him up in that ambulance match. Although honestly at this point i hope that. Keep randy orton away from the legends. I think they did that already. This year we've kind of done it. You know But there's still a lot you can do with them. I wouldn't mind seeing retribution. maybe beat up. A couple of them could be something for retribution. But if we know history. I'm gonna make a while prediction right now. There are people get over on the legends. Maybe keithly you'll get over on the legends. I think there'll be a group of legends. The probably beat up retribution. Retribution is gonna. They're retribution asses kicked by a bunch of legends on raw. We'll see we'll see it remains to be seen but i can't wait to check it out Speaking of predictions. I wanted to talk before we get to alicia toot last week on the show. We had wade keller on from the pow torch which i believed that his special hopefully still going on Where if you put in the code. And think it's roberts i don't remember for sure. Go back and listen to podcasts. Because you have the right code you can get The first month of pw torch for twenty one cents which is pretty good deal But we talked about twenty twenty and we kind of recap the year. I thought today. I would spend a little bit of time with what i think will happen. In two thousand and twenty one for certain superstars. -sarily some of this. I guess is what i want to happen. But this isn't fully fantasy booking right. This isn't like my daniel bryan roman reigns scenario. Necessarily where i'm like. This is what should happen. This is what i think. Probably some of the things that probably will happen in two thousand twenty one. I'm putting on my car neck. I'm putting on my psychic hat to figure out. Okay where are we going in. Two thousand twenty one I believe that in two twenty one is going to disappoint some people. I believe in two thousand twenty one roman reigns. We'll go back to being a good guy. I believe roman reigns. We'll go back to being a fan. Favourite so part of these predictions are contingent on the fact that there's a vaccine out there right now and that theoretically by the summer in america we should be getting some fans back into some buildings right by the end of the year. Certainly we should be able to be on. the road. wanted to be in the thunderdome anymore. Theoretically right hopefully fingers crossed. Maybe can't do another full year of this. Can we. But i feel like roman reigns character and his work is so strong that they're not gonna be able to keep them bad guy very long. It's also like we kind of know the way it goes. Roman reigns has not won one pay-per-view main event clean the since he returned. He doesn't win his matches clean anymore. So the first several times it works. Eventually we're going to get sick of it right eventually. He's going to have to start just laying people out and eventually the claims that he makes about himself are going to show themselves to be true and once we fully agree with what roman says about himself and once we're fully on board with the fact that he really is the head of the table that's when he's not a bad guy anymore and that's when we're going to start cheering him. I believe this transition will get made the summer slam of twenty twenty one right around summer slam. Twenty twenty one is when you will get your roman reigns. Good guy turn so. You've got a full year. Basically a full year of bad guy. Roman reigns summer slam. Twenty twenty two summer slam twenty twenty one however coming off of summer you'll be a bad guy should be great but either by the time we get to summer slam or coming right off of summer slim. I believe that roman reigns will be a good guy again and. I think that it'll be time. I think that it'll feel right. And i think we'll be ready to cheer for him to and i think that he doesn't have to change. He won't go back to the old roman reigns you know he won't he won't go back to suffering succotash roman reigns ever again. I don't think he will be this. Aversion evolution of the current roman reigns. It will just be one that we naturally cheer. It will basically be this character. Without paul heyman less braggadocious wins matches clean. Everything else will be about the same hill know his value. He'll know how good he is. He won't have false humility but he won't be such a jerk. He won't have paul heyman around and he'll win matches cleanly and reason to win matches cleanly because i believe the usos will stay. He'll i think the usos will remain a bad guy tag team. At least in the short term and that roman reigns will will will ditch them and go off and be a good guy. I think that that will probably happen sometime in the summer. Of twenty twenty one. I think we're roman reigns is going to be a good guy as i talked about on legends raw. Keith lee is going to be a villain this year. I think keith lee is actually gonna have a breakout year. And i'll be honest when keith lee the his first month or so on raw when he had the terrible theme music when his outfit was changing all the time when he wasn't doing a lot of the stuff that he does he wasn't looking particularly aggressive he wasn't doing a lot of the more Showy moves a lot of the stuff that he has the ability to do. I wasn't i was like god. I can't believe at keith lee. After everything is going to get ruined. When not going to get the real keith lee on the main roster i take that back entirely that thought process. I believe that we are going to get it. I think he really is finding himself on the main roster and i think that we're starting to catch the wave that he's a different wave and he was on an annex t which is tough because a lot of times when people come in from annex t we just expect all that momentum that they had on annex t to just travel through the raw or smackdown. And it doesn't happen like that you kind of you have to start from scratch to a certain extent. And that's a keith lee. Did i think the first month or so. He was kind of ridding himself of the keith lee. The you'd come to know an xt. And now he's telling this new story where he's surrounded by drew and he's surrounded by shame but i think the matches that he's had With shame have been great and you know by shameless. Aside and everything and i think he's coming into his own and i think twenty twenty one is going to be a very strong year for him. I think he's gonna be a. He'll my one thing about keith. Lee is i think he's gotta start talking like a human being. I think he can't talk like he's cutting a promo all the time. Sometimes he'll have to talk like a human being. It can't always be a professor giving a lecture to a group of students. That's how he talks and drives me crazy but i think that that way of talking will work if he's a bad guy i think he's going to have to kind of get himself out of talking like that. It's just a little pet peeve of mine. However i do think that when he turns and i think that is the alternate will be very soon. I think that he is going to be a villain soon. I think he will be a villain going into wrestlemainia this year. He may win the royal rumble and he may be. Drew mcintyre challenge at wrestlemainia. We may see a wrestlemainia withdrew vs keith. And roman versus brian. It's possible. I don't know all that for short but what i do know is that i believe that we will be building towards a big drew mcintyre keith lee match at a pay-per-view maybe wrestlemainia. And i believe that. Keith lee will will be one of the predominant villains in. Wwe and i believe will stay that way. You know this could be a thing where roman turns into a good guy at summer slam a month. Five six weeks after summerslam. We have the draft. A he'll keith. Lee gets drafted to smackdown and we start building. A roman reigns as a good guy vs keith. Lee is a bad guy story. I think that could be lot of fun. I believe and this is gonna hurt people. I believe that in twenty twenty one. Daniel bryan will retire from fulltime active competition. I don't think we'll see his last match in two thousand twenty one. But i think this will be his last year as a full time. Member of the active roster. I think he's going to have a real good run. I think that it may culminate with a main event at wrestlemania. But i think ultimately he is at some point in the year going to lose his career in a match and i think it will still see him popping up. I think you'll have maybe one off matches here and there. I think you'll have different roles in the company. I think you'll still be behind the scenes. Maybe they'll move onto talking smack. Who knows but. I do believe i do believe that. His wrestling days are over as of two thousand twenty one. His full-time wrestling days are over. This year. I believe this will be daniel bryan last year of active competition. Believe that both. Becky lynch an ronda rousey will be back in a wwe ring in two thousand twenty one especially as you get fans back. I think that that's a bigger deal for rhonda than it is for becky but i think it's a big deal for becky to look. Becky is the big star in professional wrestling right now. In twenty twenty two thousand twenty one. Becky lynch is wrestling's biggest star. And i think that their star power has grown since being gone and becoming a mom I think that people love that she went became a mom. I think people are really happy for people are genuinely happy for becky lynch. I think that it it leaving like that and announcing that you're becoming a mom and like very sort of while while maintaining our privacy there is this feeling of fans going on this personal journey with her. And i think that it's making her a more relatable person and that we're seeing kind of this this morphing of becky lynch and rebecca quinn coming in the fact that people know. She's engaged getting married to seth rollins and let people know stuff or maybe they're married. I don't know. I don't know but other people you know people people know they're attached to her as a human being and that's what happens to people that achieved that level of stardom. I mean i think. I believe becky lynch. We'll be back in a ring this year. Because i believe that as big as star as she became from being the man over the last couple of years. I think that this year. Becky lynn starts taking those steps to becoming the next scene level star. I believe the becky. Lynn could be that that defining generation defining star the you've got hogan then. You've got britain sean. You've got austin and rock. Then you've got sina. And i think the next name on that list as much as they tried to make it. Roman i think the next name on that list is becky lynch and i think those are the seeds that are going to get planted this year and i think the way. Those seeds are get planted. Is that this year. Becky lynch is gonna return. And ronda rousey is going to return and ronda rousey is gonna reminder that. She didn't her wrestlemainia that her shoulders were not down. And becky lynch is gonna reminder that. I don't think we ever had our singles match did we. And we're going to build towards. I don't know could be a wrestlemainia. You'd have to do a quick but it's going be a big match regardless so it might wait until summer slam summer slam is to me. Becky lynch's show because that's where becky lynch i turned heel which realistically made her the biggest baby in the company so i wouldn't be surprised if it happened at summer slam. It'd be a little bit poetic that way. But i mean. I i think summerslam this year is where you've got becky versus rhonda unless you're going to push all the way to wrestlemainia twenty twenty two if you're gonna push all the way to wrestlemainia thirty eight. You could do that too. But some are slam this year. Could be rhonda verses becky and the match. The turns roman reigns into a good guy again. either way. i think you're getting rhonda versus becky this year or at least the steps being made towards making that match a reality I think that That you're going to have real competition between charlotte becky. Sasha and bailey. The question inevitably comes up when you say why. Think becky lynn. She's coming back. And i think ronda rousey is coming back you go. Do you think we're gonna get the four horsemen and match the four horse women versus the four horsemen and the answer is no and i don't think we should to be honest. Look at the. Wwe's four horse women and look at how they've evolved becky lynch charlotte flare sasha banks and bailey. I think that i would probably argue that. In any order you can figure out the order. They may very well be the four greatest female superstars in the history of wwe. Anybody has achieved success on the level that they have doing what they do. Shane obeys ler has not come into our own on the main roster. She's not a main event level star the main roster and marina. Sha fear jesmyn. Duke are not on television at all. So i just don't buy that you've basically got ronda. Rousey shayna baszler. Who's good but hasn't won the big one and then there are two friends who i mean i guess we might remember them from raw underground versus the four best. Wwe female superstars of all time. You know. I don't think that's a realistic match to have i think you're you're much better off. Just having becky lynch versus ronda rousey. That's the match. You wanna have it. In the meantime i think charlotte becky i think really charlotte bailey and sasha banks are going to start getting very competitive you know what i it's interesting looking at that women's division because when you look at that women's division that's when you've got that feeling of you know they talk about in the attitude era. How everybody was going for that spot you know you had austin you'd the rock you'd triple h you'd shawn michaels didn't wanna give it up. You know in in at wrestlemania. When austin was on the come up yet mick foley over here poking through you just. It was fluctuating so much. There's so much movement because everybody was trying to get that spot. The undertaker is still there. You know and i feel like that is what's going to start happening now in the women's division in. Wwe the you're gonna have charlotte sasha banks bailey and becky lynch all kind of in the running together and all wanting to make their mark not only the number one person in wwe but make their mark on history. I think it's going to be very clear to them that we're now at a period of time where the number one person in company can be a woman you know if you look at becky lynch before she left hard to picture a bigger star than her if you look at. Wwe television before the thunderdome when it was just in the performance center. Sasha banks and bailey as a unit made that television. I mean sasha banks and bailey together where the hottest act on tv. I think that. I think that it's the that grouping. I think it's going to be a renaissance of what was happening in annex. T where you had this amazing kind of come up of those four. I think now they take that same journey on to the next level where you go not. Who's the best woman in st not. Who's going to be called up to the main roster. I but who's going to be the big superstar wwe. I think that's going to be the competition. I think drew is going to remain the top. Good guy in wwe. I don't think that that's a a stretch in terms of call ups we're talking about call in terms of call ups from an x t. I think a few people are going to get caught up. I think dana priest is going to get called up. Daime priest is gonna do pretty well but he's going to have to find himself. You know you would think that alastair black would've been a no brainer on the main roster and i haven't seen alastair black in a while you know there's no reason to think that anybody on the next he roster is a shoo-in for success on raw smackdown not that they shouldn't be not that they couldn't be but just that's the way things work out. So i think that. I think damian priest has. He's got the look he's got the personality he's got the size he's got the ability in the ring. You know he's got everything. I'm such a huge damian priest. Fan and i believe he can do very well and i can size up with a lot of guys. I just think it's gonna be a matter. Him finding himself on the main roster and i think that he will but i think this is the year he gets called up speaking of the ultra competitive women's division. I do think rhea ripley is finally gained. Finally going to get called up to the main roster. I don't know if she shows up on raw smackdown. I think the charlotte is the first target. She goes after looking for vengeance looking for a return on the wrestlemania match that she lost that she never got a one on one match back Or at least not on pay per view. So yeah i think i think rhea ripley. It's called up to the main roster and again gets thrown in the mix of that just tremendous amount of talent who knows maybe ripley shines through. And maybe rhea ripley gets thrown in conversation of top superstars. Wwe i also think the undisputed era is finally going to get called up. Not the david necessarily want them to. But really it's like it's time you know. I think kyle riley is going to have a great running annex t but i think ultimately. They've got to do it. I think for the undisputed our to work on the main roster. Adam cole has to at least start as a bad guy and the undisputed era just all have to be as heavies You know. I think it's gonna take changing the way. We look at factions on the main roster. Maybe they who knows. Maybe maybe they won't come in as bad guys. Maybe they'll come into challenge the the the hurt business. That's possible but i think i think they'll be on raw. I think i just something about. I think i think we're gonna see undisputed era on raw and it's going to be make or break and i think that everybody knows the risks involved but there's also you know competitive wrestling organizations now so things don't work out for the undisputed era on raw. Who knows how long the contracts are very interesting. I think over anex t. You're looking at shots. He's year shots. Blackheart is going to be the next women's champion this year and soon maybe wrestlemainia weekend. I don't know. But i think shotsie black art is next women's champion. This year ending shots he blackheart becomes the face of that women's division Going forward and twenty twenty one. I think In terms of rivalries a. I think you're looking at Kevin owens and sammy's ain't having another rivalry. I think almost they're just so good. But also like after kevin owens enrollment goes like after roman reigns. Goes through kevin owens and now. The biggie is gone through. Sammy's like where do we go with these guys. I think you're going to end up seeing a blood feud between kevin owens and same his aim. But i think it's it could potentially be the best one they've ever done. We could get magic out of them. And i think it'll happen and i think what the fiend i think what's going to happen is edge will come back. Edge will get his third match with randy. Orton and the fiend will. Help randy orton. I think i think that edges. I main roster rivalry is going to be with the fiend it should. I don't know why it just makes sense in my head. That randy orton. Maybe doesn't quite know. Why the fiend is helping him. But the fiend always does things for mysterious nefarious reasons. But i think it'll be. I think it'll be edge. And the fiend Pairing up and having some pretty classic matches. I think that'll be a really good spot for the fien too. I think some really good stories. We'll be able to be told between the fiend and edge I think biggie will end up in the main event of a pay per view. But i don't think it'll be one of the big four. I think that is going to have a slow ascension which is good you know i 'cause the last thing you want is for that that quick ascension and then basically have a repeat of what happened with kofi where you get knocked right back down and then big is going to have a slow build slow build but big is just the the way he's operating right now he's not gonna fail. You know i i think. I think that you're gonna slow build biggie. And by the end of the year he's gonna be undeniable completely undeniable by the end of the year. You're going to know this is the guy that that needs to be champion. I think brock listener will be back this year. I think as soon as fans come back brock listener. We'll come back. And maybe that'll be somebody i think we'll see a roman reigns brock leser match. Hopefully we see them as a tag team. I but i think we will see a brock listener. Roman reigns match And then i also think when seth rollins comes back that he'll come back still as a bad guy and i'd love to see maybe after summerslam. Maybe summerslam you do roman versus brock and then coming off of summer slam. You have you have a seth. Rollins roman reigns rivalry where rollins is. The bad guy and roman is the good guy although i think i mean kind of done it before but i just think they're in such different places now that it could get very interesting so there's some of my thoughts going to twenty twenty one. I'm sure if if the conversation expanded we continue to talk about it and then and continue to have ideas of course If you want to do that you should join us on patriot. Patriotic dot com slash. Not sam wrestling. You can join us in the discord room where we talk about stuff like this all the time and if you're at that upper upper tier you can even join me on sundays right before a record the podcast in a zoom room and brainstorm some of the ideas of the podcast with me. You know we always end up talking about stuff that that means some of the not sam shows talk about that zoom room here on the podcast But i gotta get this week. My guest is somebody who has a couple of years ago popped up on youtube and made quite an impact you know. There's a handful of people They're doing wrestling interviews. Doing wrestling interviews on. Youtube was one of the ways that i kind of started to get noticed by the the internet wrestling community before they all decided. I was a scumbag They liked my interviews. That i was doing But you know. We had chris van vliet on a few weeks ago on the show and right from that same. School of thought is one alicia to alicia She started a a blog called ambient music. Blog yeah And was interviewing bands and stuff and from there went to interviewing wrestler. She grew up watching wrestling and she started going to india shows and interviewing wrestlers and putting them on youtube and she was getting a great response to it so she just kept going You've seen her now become more and more part of of the industry you know she went from going to. Indy shows to just interview wrestlers for her youtube channel to actually being a part of the show. She would become a backstage interviewer. She became a ring announcer. Some of these shows For a period of time she was doing some Behind the scenes work at impact I believe She did some stuff at the first all out or all in pay per view the first all in pay per view before awa was official and now she works officially contracting talent for l w w which is all over the place you know you can see it You can see it on on. I think being sports you can see you can see it on many different hours. We'll talk about all of that With alicia Who also washes doing all this while. She's doing so much work with. Msw and has become such a big part of that tv product. She still keeping up her youtube channel to this girl's a hustler. She calls herself the internet queen. And she's my guest this week. I'm not saying rustling here. She is miss alicia a toot sam wrestling interview. Where i feel like it's been a long time coming here on not sam rustling the interview queen. Alicia a toot now. Alicia interview queen. Is this a crown that you were able to give yourself or did somebody actually crown you the interview queen. I i thank you so much for having me on. I'm so psyched about this. So thank you. I wish that i was that clever to have come with myself. And i could take credit but i have this fan. Who started using the hashtag. Wants to know while. And i just kept seeing it. Come up in my mentions and just occurred to me. Hey that really cool ring to it. I've done over. Four thousand interviews. I kind of feel like. I can coin that for myself so i just took it to the super happy about it next thing you know. What's on t shirts. Like being announced when i go down to the rating for stuff. So it's pretty cool being able to have someone give you that name and You know it's a fan that i've had since the beginning so it's really cool. It's better that you didn't think of it yourself to tell you the truth because like queen is what yes yes. That's one of those things that like. No no no my my fans crowned me the queen and then it's like all right. Well then i guess i can. I guess i can accept that you know because otherwise you know you've got a lot of Living up to do for the title. So i mean before we get into everything. Because you know you've been you've been on the wrestling scene for for years now. I mean i. I've been aware of you for so long but like a year ago. You get the dreamgig contract it right. You get a signed contract with a televised wrestling promotion. M l w makes you there interview person who knows what this is going to evolve into but the point is you're an onscreen personality for w which is huge and then two months later there's a global pandemic and everything shuts down when this thing i had a and this is different than just. Yeah exactly heartbreaking. Not just because. Oh my god. I was doing so much stuff but like it was. The wheels are just starting to spin like okay. The momentum is in the right direction. Do you go lake into a panic when that happens because who knows what is what w shuts down completely in this thing that you had envisioned in your head could come crashing down. There was so much running through my mind and the craziest part of it. All is all of the news about covid. Nineteen really started to come out around march. And we're all waiting for wrestlemainia weekend. We fight yet. So many bookings the next month and we're with them all w in tijuana mexico and we're all in the locker room we had this huge aaa co lab show and raw sitting. There were getting these alerts from all these promoters at twitter blowing up and really. Oh my gosh everything's crashing down around us are gonna make it back home. I made it home by two days of them. Shutting the border from mexico to here so it was just crazy. So yeah i was in a bit of a panic. I was worried you hear the severity of it. I'm worried about my family back home. I don't wanna contract anything out. It was just a lot i mean. The last thing i was almost thinking about was was my work. Just because all this craziness happening and then it stinks in. Oh yeah now. I don't travel now. I don't have a mole. W what's happening. But it was pretty cool because emel w we're actually able to make do with everything. We ended up promoting a weekly show on our youtube channel pulp fusion. That was great. Able to kind of keep the content. Rolling. the feuds out there the storylines going so Like i said we may do now. We're back back on. Tv people can watch us every wednesday night at seven pm. So it sucked. They were not going to sugarcoat it. It really sucked. But we're back. We have amazing stuff for everyone to watch so it. It feels not have worry as much. You just bring it up that weekend. Wild did that was months ago. That was less than a year ago and it seems like a lifetime ago. I think everybody in in wrestling like there's no way wrestlemainia weekend not just wrestlemainia but wrestlemainia weekend. And all the shows that we're planning on surrounding wrestlemainia they're like with. I mean you can't cancel all this stuff. There's no way this is all just going to go away. And then in an instant it was like well. No the whole world's gonna change for a period of time so that's actually starting right now. Okay all right yeah. It was definitely a shock to everyone. I feel like that. We can so many things lined up hosting hosting shows for a bunch of wrestling celebrities as a whole the second annual a bullet club each party which was huge for those guys. It's a crazy thing again so it just felt like your user getting crush. of course it's not just a payday exposure. It's you know how not weekend. It's the craziest week of the year in wrestling. So you just see all that going away and then you think okay are working to open the sol. For two months a year five years like you just don't know especially back then. We didn't know how long this is going to linger or we still doubt but at least a little bit clearer. So i i think a blow. Yeah it's like we still don't know how long this thing's going to linger for. But most people have figured out how to have some semblance of life and business and like okay this might linger for awhile even still but this is how we're going to progress right because that's part of it is is. You're right it's not. It's not about the paydays. It's not about necessarily the loss of of wages. Even though i mean for a lot of people it is but for somebody like you and your position it's about i don't know i feel like i'd be worried into some respect for myself. I was worried. About what if this stops the momentum like there's clearly a lot of momentum on your side and you're like that's that's the last thing in the world. I want so much i just signed like i remember the day i signed enough was just buzzing. I wasn't expecting it. And you're getting tweets from everyone's like vickie guerrero religious congratulating. You're like what is happening. And then you do. Two months of taping response is great. Every time you hit television you have that april coming up. It's going to be amazing at just came to a stop. So that's where we really had to try to reinvent ourselves and hey how can we still stay relevant and keep our face out there and be spoken about all the time without actually being at shows and being canadian i actually wasn't even allowed into the states so up until you know from about march until mid september i literally couldn't cross the border to even do a show. I had promoters emailing me all the time. And i just remember reading my emails everyday like stomach them. No because i literally legally get so. Luckily things are open now. So i can shake the odd thing after coaching for two weeks when i come back super fun but i get why it's been a lot of adapting but i like i said we have to make do and just take it as it comes to stay safe. So how did m l w come about like. How did that become your home. I feel like the reason that the internet was buzzing when it happened was because like i said i mean people have been aware of you for a long time and there was a i feel like people were waiting for you to pop up someplace like any announcement. Is this person you know you've done some things here and there with other promotions you popped up over here on impact and talking to the to the box of candy and you're like oh what's going on over there and then no official announcement was being made or it's like no. This is just a gig. This is just a gig. That's just a gig which is cool life but it's a different thing when a promotion goes no no. We're putting our faith in this person and this is our person moving forward. Yeah i mean it was a shock to me because once you get into this crazy world and i've been in it now for about four years. A goal of most people have had like to sign somewhere. You know gives you that stability awesome look forward to every month when you have tapings like it's a lot she just the excited for you kind of have this little family that you get to see on the road all the time and so i was thinking a couple of other companies and then got to the point where it's either you know To be blunt you know shit or get off the five that's down. That's the one industry works. And w quotient. I we have these savings in december have heard some really great things about you They knew that i had heard about them. Bring you kinda see if we like each other. So i went down. It was just flawless. I didn't have any technical issues. They treated me properly. I knew the locker from working. The indies returns. These greek is so like a good fit the first day of being there. I think i was maybe four hours into filming approached by one of the higher ups. And he's like. Hey you wanna lock you down like we want to signing talk numbers. Let's do this. And the fact that they wanted to snatch me up that quickly because they knew other people had their eyes on me and they kind of took that initiative and they respected my wishes when it came to signing kind of what i needed from them and vice versa. House like you know. Let's just do it. Like i'm i'm happy here. Things seem great. And i know they're only growing more and more like the boss court bauer. Every time i seek with him he has some crazy. New idea has something where he just wants to grow. We are on a new platform. We're on a new channel. So i just feel like we're going to really continue to grow and a company i'd like to grow with. Of course the pandemic put a little bit of kink and not for everyone But hey ron ron a great track and we're only going to get bigger. That is the thing about court bauer. I've known court for for a while. Now and i've never you know and You can never take anything for granted in wrestling especially but courts one of those people that you have a conversation with. And you're like. I'm really not worried about this guy. Failing this is a guy who just figures out how to get stuff done. They're going to be obstacles and there's going to be hurdles and there's but he's gonna figure this out. Yeah it's nice to have that kind of security because when it comes to wrestling. I'm sure some of your viewers know that some might not but it is an absolute mess when it comes to vine the senior people say they're going to grant you things half the time it comes through half the time they never intended on doing it in the first place. I've never had that issue once with anyone animal. W if it's something as simple as hayward flaming this promos year it gets done. Hey this is what's like it's just it's a well oiled machine. I love that. I've been places where it is chaotic. They say they're gonna give you chrome os you get one and you're just sitting on your holiday like it's frustrating. You know i. I go to work at by bear. I'd love i would love to do something so it's just a really good atmosphere and the other reason that i've honestly been super happy with them. Especially throughout twenty twenty is did our first tapings A few months back at a secret location they had tested for covert every single person in that building from crew talent to producers. Everyone tested negative. It was amazing. That's what you want so felt safe the whole time. You know this close to people. I spoke with more people than any of the wrestlers. So it's it was scary and then as soon as he got that okay of great so they really care about talent. It's a good family. I feel like it's a really good place for me to be. How did you or at. What point did it even occur to you that maybe getting involved in wrestling with something you wanted to do. Because you're you're a self starter like you had ambi going on and it was a music blog. Yeah and and then you start interviewing wrestlers and you you know you start to kind of draw attention from the wrestling community that way but how did the. How did the transition go from. Oh yeah just like. This is just part of what i do for for my my platform into know. Why don't you come to the show. And instead of you interviewing wrestlers. I mean you could still interview them. Do it for us instead of doing for you. Yeah so. I've been a wrestling fan since i was a kid. I was about two or three. When i remember watching my first match and i was just so into it and like any wrestling fan. Go through waves ups and downs. But it got to the point where i was wondering still many bands and they'd kind of be sliding in these wrestling references. Whether it was like a a macho man. Oh yeah or like they were stone cold wedding the all the time. And i'm just like i gue- references like they're kind of trust slighted and then nar music interviews with just turn into talking about wrestling was awesome so kind of was a light bulb like hey if all of these musicians were wrestling wrestlers gonna use it. Like who doesn't so. I started interviewing wrestlers. Response was great There was a local promotion here in toronto called smash wrestling and they're like hey are wrestlers just like really love talking to you. They wanna get on your show. I had that bill clinton crowd from the music already. So wasn't the guy was just starting from scratch. And next thing. I know i had a mic in my hand. I was interviewing the indy talent year in toronto and That company ended up drink co. pros with e. cw Which is about like three hours away from me at windsor. And so they had ties to impact. And then that kind of brought me to that platform and then you start interviewing a promotion Explodes from there so it was really organic. Never expected to happen was never necessarily like a dream of mine should be on. Tv with a company. But as soon as i. I had my foot in the door. I just wanted everything like one of those interesting light bulbs. Yeah yeah i mean sometimes like it's not a dream of yours because you wouldn't even fathom it right like you wouldn't occur to you to have that as a dream like i don't know what that is. I don't know how that job is. I don't know how anybody ends up there. But i'm over here doing this. Then all of a sudden you start to see this path against cleared away. And you're like oh. I could go down this path. Oh i'm actually. I'm actually really enjoying this. That was exactly how it unraveled. And i remember. Now you have. These dream interviews. You have the dream of signing you. Do have all these little milestones. Now that you wouldn't have even thought were possible. You know irving people you watched. When you're five years older working for them them hiring you to host shows just been a rural win over these last four years and i still host music. And i still have bodybuilding interviews honestly. Wrestling's ended up getting my heart at the end. Just being out there. I never thought of acting entertaining that way. But it's a whole other world that you just like you just fall into. Oh it's just a blast our love it. yeah i mean it just. There's nothing like wrestling because of because of the way the stories are told there there's so many different parts of the storytelling and you're like wait. There is this little part of telling these stories. That i could be involved in and i could maybe help out with and and and yeah i guess you don't really realize that until it starts to become a little bit more clear right absolutely. I mean i remember my first interviews Being with people like like as far as the character go like rosemary and j. f. and now within msw. W i got to do stuff with the guys in the dynasty. Alex hammerstein richard holiday. Or you know like we have filthy. Tom lawlor and they're all such characters and of course they're all they're all begs but when they try to destroy the engaged at me i can talk back. And that's actually one of my favorite things about working with emily. W they don't just have me there as the interviewer who holds the mike nod your head and they just walk away like i get to actually interact with them. I guess to talk back We curse like it's a really rauch gritty show. And i love that about it so the fact that i got to be me but you know final tap that and turn into eleven so much fun so yeah and it's also nice the fact that like you've built this platform right for lack of a better term you you've built this platform built in audience behind it and people know you so it's nice that if you're going to end up working for a promotion like msw that it's not just to fit this role that really anybody could do like they're not just bringing you on to like you said phone they're bringing you on to bring the same personality and the same kind of vibrancy. That would come from the stuff that that you do that. Got the attention of people in the first place right. It's pretty much. I sit down interviews with just like totally ramped up. And i love that about it. You just get to really interact with people and like i mentioned before. There's a whole acting element. I never even knew or thought of before you i had in me. So when that kinda gets to come out and you get to add live and just improvise on these ridiculous gimmicks that you wouldn't even imagine are possible your kid you know it's just It's just so much fun. And that's kind of what i love about like the future is open wide. You never know where angles can go. We have something that's going to. Shock stands on emel. W once it happens. I'm really excited about it. So yes we a lot of developments. It's very cool. It's also got to be great work to place like msw. 'cause there's so much talent that a lot of the world isn't quite aware of yet and you get to be there on the ground floor and you get to see these people who you know when the world does get to see them they go. Oh my god like it was hidden like this diamond in the rough was sitting right here like there there. There's this great wrestling and there. Are these amazingly talented performers and characters. Not just guys who can do a bunch of great moves but really entertaining characters then existing right over here that you didn't even know what's happening and you get to see it all right. Oh it's so fun. I mean i worked with so many of the guys before. There were some that i never got you. I mean we literally have on eric's part of our company that is such incredible wrestling history and we have cameos from kevin on our youtube channel. And it just blows your mind that you're working with these people and then Are champion jacob. Fatou again one of those names where you just. As soon as he goes into the ranger like how is this bigger. Do in all of this athletic incredibly aerial stunt at you just have such a wealth and such a diverse roster that as soon as you see agreement competing like whoa. This is magic. You know it's so different and for our whole restart. We had a bunch of people. Come in and he's still wrestling now with us like leo. A c. h. a. cruel core names coming through. I know that we're waiting to even share more. Who were at those tapings. I even saw someone backstage. I was like oh my gosh lonely. You know watching television. We fine geeking out. I can't imagine how excited fans must be in store for sure. Yeah as the kind of the wrestling. We're only because it what's going on. Wwe and smackdown and stuff as they talk about the samoan dynasty more and more and that simone family is becoming more of a talking point. I do end up like you can seem jacob fat to do you know that. There's you know about jake to like know how many how deep is this dynasty goes like. Do you understand that. There's this amazing stuff going on that you don't even know about yet. Because jacob. he's he's he's amazing. Oh my gosh. I remember seeing live for the first time. And you just don't expect that kind of stuff to come out of them and then as soon as it happens. He has this kind of cheesiness to him to. He knows he can pull it off. It's just as air of confidence but backed up like he can do everything in the ring and i feel like most our talents like that and it's just really really cool. Seeing everything comes together. We've had these ideas for months and months during the pandemic so when we were finally able to get together roll up. These matches storylines it. It was just a wonderful exciting thing. You know that you really love what you're doing when all the roster's actually watching the notches into that's what was that a chain right so yeah it's It was super fun. So when you've got like represented you got the von erich family there you got the the anti family representative like got real wrestling legacy. Do you feel like before you go to these shows. You'd have to brush up on your history just to make sure that like nothing's getting by you or do you have enough kind of stored in the vault that you'll be okay. Here's a good amount in the vault. Luckily especially because i grew up on wrestling and with my dad grew up with like he literally knows the history to a t. So that's kind. Something i've heard over the years it's awesome on but it's cool when you come face to face with and you get to be like wow. I've heard stories about your family's since we're both probably wrestling. The boys were just boys backstage. So it's It's really neat. When you come face to face them you have your stories. They have bears and humble. Everyone and i've never felt so safe and respected in the locker room. Before i have so many big and little brothers there and even have like selena. Aria back there like it. It's a good group of people as much as i hate. Selena sure never hurt. Never hurt me physically so i appreciate it. There's a certain level of respect. And like i said i've never felt that community so it's exciting and i can't wait until our next at achieving so we continue all this craziness so i feel like for me anyway. Like the interviews. Probably put you on the map like in a in a pretty big way on the internet and in terms of the wrestling community. Feel like your series of interviews with them. J. f. obviously and the scarlet interviews were both big for you and i feel like a big part of that is because they both where able to balance the sort of real life and character act really perfectly. Like you're you're talking to them in character and especially m j f you know you never catch. Mj nine and character so yeah so he's literally been here in my house in character. I like what he's lucky you. I know right but when you come from the world of talking to bands and stuff like that doesn't exist in music. There's what unquote cafe. Or or yeah. You're you're you're you're kind of in this weird space of sort of real life but sort of in character. And we're sorta taking jabs each other but it's also of real like. Was that a difficult transition for you to make where it's almost like okay. This becomes have interviewed but also have improv exercise or because you grown up with wrestling where you kind of like okay. This makes perfect sense. I'm always idolized megyn. Young so knowing kind how they handle those was definitely a guideline for me but in the music right. There isn't a lot like that unless you interview war right lordy and i had. I had interviewed those fans before. But even when you're entering them or someone like maxwell or scarlet they say stuff sometimes in your like bro you good. I just striking a chord. But it's fun because then you get to give it back like you know it is all kind of been away funding game even though it cuts deep so it's Those did so well. And i think it's because they came off a lot of it was know really. Anyway the you start bashing each other and you're like okay. I'm gonna wind up you now since you went there. I'll never forget when maxwell called me like a long necked draft or something. You're gonna live tv skit and i was like you. Sides at some things different harsh back and we were literally like this is how it works like and when you walk away from it at the end of the day you know. It's wrestling everyone. I've heard a bunch of respirators. The forward literally wrestling each other speedo Thousands of fads. Like that's what it comes down to the goofiest the best thing in the world so you can't take anything to heart you walk away and you're like oh my god people are going to eat a segment up and that's what it's all. Yeah yeah i mean. I think that the reason fans respond to that as well is because as much as as much as a lot of people want to believe that they really just want the inside dirt and they want to know what's going on behind the scenes. They want the real person if you're a wrestling fan. There is nothing that you will like. Better than watching somebody fully live that character in portray that character in a realistic way. And i think when you're interviewing them especially when you're not interviewing at that time like interview them as part of the show you're interviewing that character has has left the wrestling show and has entered your youtube universe. And it's like this weird like wait a minute. Batman just left the comic book and is now over here like talking to the actor. I'm talking to and when when you can convince the audience that's there to watch. You just have a conversation with a real person that this is the real person. I think it's like magic. It's gold my. My favorite comments are the ones for people right. Is this real. Like i love and i get those pretty much every day because those names we mentioned are some of my most watched interviews so anytime you know scarlets. Having a big event on wednesday night she comes up. Same with maximum. Stay night or any of those in gimmicks whatever that happens like my view spike trend. People are searching these names and it's just one of the first pop ups i always get. Is this real. And i'll never honestly admit whether it is or not because throughout my how many years of knowing all these characters there've been a lot of real moments and a lot of things that there is nothing scripted at all that you are watching whether it's a kick to the crowd or literally a slab like some of this stuff just happens and i feel like that's the best part i feel like i'm doing my job when people you know. See that person on the other side. They don't know it's a make or not because a lot of these people it isn't yeah also wrestling. This is what drives me. Crazy is that wrestling is not that cut and dry wrestling is not real or fake. It's just wrestling. So is this real or is this wrestling interviewing a wrestler and this is how it went this time like. Maybe he's going to say actually. My real name is this and i do that. And this and that okay. Or maybe he's going to say something completely rude about me or maybe she's going to call me a five or just wrestling. This is what it is. I mean i feel like. I get demonetized if i repeat some of the stuff that j. f. said to you but Harsh like he has said some of the most cutthroat. It's still hurts to this day. It has to. But it's but that's what i mean. It's it's there is no what's the but what what what's real what's not real what's like it's not one or the other. There's this ven diagram right and the middle is the biggest part. There's this little sliver of circle that says fake and this little sliver of circle this is real but the giant thing in the middle is just wrestling. yep i think that's the beauty of it. You come to watch video whether it is a wrestling. Show a promo sit down interview. And you have this preconceived notion of what you think's going to happen. And i love just turning that on their heads and making them leave wonder what what just happened. They're not falls into that little wrestling bubble exactly exactly. Yeah like if the ms comes on my show and starts yelling at me. Because he thinks disrespected him. Is he doing a wrestling thing. Yeah does he think. I disrespected him. Yeah it's all it's all there it's all it's all real and it's all not and it's all it's all wonderful wonderful wrestling. So who were you you know. Who are you looking to. Your dad grew up with wrestling in. I'm very glad i i. I try to get my kids to watch wrestling. I'm just just starting to get my boy kind of may be interested a little bit But i'm you know. I'm i'm trying to do it. The right Who who were the first characters that you latched onto her meet. La's edge the rock sina like anyone jericho. Anyone who is really amazing on a microphone and like captivating that way i loved and then As i got a little bit older by older. I knew like eight hundred nine. I started watching older stuff. And that's where people like gold dust and fully came in at again huge larger than life characters and those were some of my all time favorites and the fact that i think almost everyone i named like i've either hosted shows for them or those with like it is mild. It's my i geek out even thinking about it. You know it's crazy. But those are the ones i always looked up to your be like. Oh my god. I wanna watch their mash now. I loved it in your top. Four fifty percent are canadian. It's very brand for you edge in jericho and the rock okay. All right so what was so. Was the era that you really like started watching kind of regularly and became a fan of live was at the scene a edge kind of ruthless aggression any like towards the the beginning of the john cena build. Was that kind of your era. That really got you locked in. Yeah absolutely and then it was kind of when things started to get a little bit more open. Were they'd start saying things on the like. Oh i can't believe that this is happening like attitude. Era like whoa. This is next level. Like i remember being like twelve in washington and be like i can't believe she said that to him revise those those roger seatings you some of the stuff that rock with. I had no idea but he was talking about growing up like five ten years later. And you're like. I can't believe he was allowed to say that you know put on a t-shirt has that is crazy. Yeah those were definitely some of those times. I met a washing the most but then again like the first thing i actually vividly remember was the classic helena sell match. Because i just couldn't wrap my brain around how this man one fell off. The cage had his ear all messed up the tooth in his nose like to me that was just so gruesome and cruel. And i just remember thinking like this is the craziest television i've ever watched. I didn't know it was wrestling when i was five. Rows just and something on my tv. I think you guys each other's great show so that's kind word all started. Yeah i don't know if it's because you look at it in a different context like when you're looking at it historically or if it's just that you get older and you see things differently. But like i mean as a kid i sit there. And watch mick foley. Do the most insane things to his body and be like. Yep he's the man. This is the best entertainment money can buy. I love this. And i watch now some of this stuff and i'm like what are you doing buddy what he don't do this. Stop stop this. This is going to like you know he turns out okay and you still go back and look and like you watch that they the the i quit match royal rumble ninety nine with mankind and the rock. And you're looking at this chair shots. The dirac is just laying on to fully. And you're like rock. Leave him alone. Leave him alone. And it's hard. Because i remember he had me hostess twenty years of hell tour and we had a bunch of shows in canada and like on -tario and just seeing the way that he moves now and just how much those shots and those falls. Everything just takes a toll on these wrestlers. Like he's he's obviously okay time. Just it breaks your heart seeing what they do for entertainment but it's their passion and they love it and it's just i can't wrap my head around it but i'm thankful they do it and is just as you're older. Opens your eyes to everything how much they really do. Put their bodies on the line. I remember what people used to stay. Wrestling's fake i would just like brush it off and not think twice about especially as a kid but now since i'm like sounds were excited like since i'm in the business and industry journey time i hear it on like trust me. There's like nothing fake about this. When i see my friends coming backstage cut bruised her. I'm like this is as real as it gets. Yeah yeah i mean. I think that that yeah that whole thing. I'm kind of shocked that it's still even a narrative in two thousand and twenty because it's so like literally it's news from forty years ago and and it's this thing where it's like you don't if you're still saying that you don't understand what wrestling is it doesn't portray itself as anything. It's not if anything. The fakest part about wrestling is how badly it actually does hurt right like. That's the fake part like they want you to believe that it doesn't hurt nearly as bad as it actually does. That's so true and it's interesting to you. Because whenever i say oh yeah i post wrestling. They're like oh you mean like emma may like real fighting. They get hurt wrestling or like. Wwe wrestling was always the comparison. And of course. I save a ladder. And then they're like oh that's not like really wrestling and that i just kinda i feel like i almost have to defend it because they don't understand like severity of it and everything especially having so many people in this industry i love. You still get hurt. You know anytime. Someone's wrestling's at emel w on like please be ok. Please the okay. 'cause i can't tell they're telling really well or they're actually heard by the way it's supposed to be right but you're supposed to be as close as you can get and still like you. You've you've you know everybody you've interviewed everybody. You've worked for promotions and the fact that you still don't know that's how you know you're good at it. That's the magic of it. Yes yeah yeah. I mean nothing. Nothing will perk my ears up. They give i'm just in a regular social setting and somebody brings up a good wrestling reference. Or i start to start to get the sniff that oh you're you're a real wrestling fan the i'll be like okay. We're locked with me and you're going to be talking. Yeah yeah but on the on the opposite like if somebody were to be like like wrestling podcast. What are you talking about wrestling. I'm like i forget it. I don't i quit. It doesn't matter like there's no like i'm not having the conversation. I'm not here to educate you. I'm not like i'm not your. I'm not here for your amusement so that we can have this conversation. It's just not going to happen. People say yeah i totally. I totally know where you're coming from. Because i've had people say oh out of all things that like the silliest thing ever and they just don't understand all the parts that go behind it all the pieces of the puzzle that kind of make that end product and how fun it can be how crazy. It could be a travelling aspect. It's just there's so many different elements so anytime someone tries to throw that in my face. I'm just like shut up. You don't understand on the one percent of this right exactly exactly. There's like one hundred documentaries. You could watch. That would explain this for you and just go ahead. And they're on netflix. Easy to find any of them any of them. So when did you. I now that you're you've kind of got this dream job. That you didn't know was a dream job and your and you're and you're doing it. Do you think about the future differently. You think about goals differently like do you. Do you set goals. Because i find that when stuff like this happens. It's kind of a wake up. Call maybe setting specific. Goals is not the smartest thing in the world. Because it's actually limiting. I think no. I definitely know what you mean. You never know what's going to happen and just looking completely just shut and you'll be completely disappointed. I mean going back to what we said earlier. Like the whole mania week. That was a goal for many people to have all of those different bookings measures taken away from you. You know so. I i do try to set them for myself just starting to become complacent not anywhere. I ever want to be so. I mean just even in the close future A month ago. I wanted to set up a patriotic. How i just launched it. Yesterday i wanted to expand merced like these little goals. Kinda get yesterday but also helped with your your career getting your name out there even more so i definitely try to keep those going but as far as big big goals i mean are i'm signed. I locked down for a little while. I know where. They're hoping to take the company i know we have some exciting things on the horizon emel wbz so accolades kind of check as the biggest one. And i just really want to grow onto become that houseful name. When you think of interviewing i want you to associate at release to and i feel like i. I'm not where. I want to be definitely on the way so continues on that trajectory and give it a mean like yeah. Yeah and that's i think that's a really healthy perspective and that's the way you should look at it because i mean even like in a positive sense imagine if if you You know three years ago. We're like no. What i wanna do is wanna make like ambien household thing. I wanna make it amusing blah blah. And then like. You're so focused on that you go wait. I could have been a wrestling interviewer. I didn't know that that was even a possibility. I could've. that's what i could've doing. That would have been great totally. I definitely try to keep everything even when it comes to being in wrestling the first thing is just doing the youtube interviews than backstage promos than a promoters like. Hey are you cool to ring announced for us like yeah why not give it a go. Then they're asking you to do commentary and you're like y'all gonna try like hey. There's so many opportunities in this world for little w aired last night on fusion. I did my very first voiceover where aj to some chaotic and it was like a combination between a promo commentary and just like the standard voice. Override never done that before when things are going your way and you weren't expecting it wasn't a goal or a plan you have to at least. This is my kind of principle on it or view you take it as it comes your roll with it because you never know what it can turn into if i said no to that local promotion. Hey which me are backstage interviewer. I literally was still be just doing youtube interviews. Not on television like it would just be so narrow-minded writes i tried to take everything you've been looking like an ass give it a try and you find out what's great for you and what you might not like as much so. Is that like you kind of whatever you're presented you you see the opportunity in it and you're just like yeah. Let's yes the answer is always yes like you do commentary yup. Can you do ring announcing. I don't know yes shows in boston with them. W td and they're doing a pay per view or like live event. And yeah i remember the masking like hey at least you call commentary tonight. They had done it before. I never had and i told them i've never done it but i have confidence like i could pull it off. You know i can make through it and the next thing you know. I'm doing it for the first time. It went well. They asked me to do it again. So you just never know that commentary could have been saying if that were the case. You know the paid gig now. People know. I do this this this list. You get hired all these different things so just try to adjust everything within reason and hopefully i knock it out of the park and you know if you hit a if you hit half of them. That's still the hall of fame average. You're still good. So do you try to so when you do ring announcing are you conscious like do you go okay. I better try to cover up this canadian accent a mine or do you go. Nope they hired a leash you to the ring announcing a leashes. The one doing the ring announcing even a canadian accent is not the weirdest thing anytime. Someone pointed out a mike. I don't hear it whatsoever now. I just go in there with with my normal voice. Just like the promo. I don't try to like macho it up or anything or do you like a super crazy. Fake voice the first company. I did it for. They wanted me to do that. Cata fake voice input on. So i did what they wanted but i hated it and i felt embarrassed every time i went out there and then another company is kind of. Let me do it. How i wanted and i fell into asking. Oh this feels good. Like i actually do this whenever they wanted. So yeah i it's the you learn as you you really do. It's all trial. Did you really only try swedish fish like two years ago. Yeah it's that mind-blowing it's so weird canada. We have swedish berries. And there are these little raspberry looking. Dummies taste the exact same delicious. So when i went to the states. I just grabbed a big of swedish risks. Alex swedish Swedish title whatever. I tried him as a role. These better like so next thing you now. I sent one tweet out like these things are incredible. And then i'm doing signings a meet-and-greet fans Bringing me swedish fish as literally two years ago. I think i was in new york and i grabbed at the airport or a gas station delicious then. I ate too many saipan stocks for like six months. But when i'm there like next week yeah. Everything starts to kind of taste like swedish fish aftertaste. And you're like i can't i gotta i gotta stop. Tasting is good because you're so used to them need to be a treat becomes tobacco like it's like no. I don't even know if i'm enjoying this anymore. It's just something that i always do. Totally how. I'd imagine it except with except with swedish fish. You're just spitting like red spit into a bottle instead of disgusting. That's how you know you've had too much of something is when your tongues like completely coated or when you go to brush your teeth at night you do it twice and it still bears. Yeah you've gone too far. Are my gums bleeding. No no no no no. I had one hundred fifty swedish fish today. That's that's that's although i mean. I think that's how george the animal steele got his tongue. Green he had like one hundred green chocolates. Really he chu. Yeah yeah. I think so. I think so. Don't don't quote me on that. But i think it's true i mean it sounds good stories. You say thank you calls for this. Did you always have confidence like. Did you always have the confidence in your abilities to that. You could say yes to something and figure it out when you get there know. That's that's a new thing a definite no. I was the kid in school who disliked public speaking. I didn't have like a crazy amounts of friends. I didn't really like group projects. I just like keeping to myself not really having to rely on anything and just head down and moving forward and then it goes to the point where when i was sixteen i started writing album reviews while in school just to kind of like past time honestly no one was seeing them and i told my parents at dinner one night like. Hey yeah. i've just what i'm doing lately. And they're like brian. Just throw it on on a blog. So i did and next thing you know i was kinda thrown into doing these quick two minute interviews with fans go to so many concerts and then it just kinda starts to take up you start realizing. Oh people can be super superman but a lot of people like me. So that's good next thing. You know who separately yourself a little bit more. And i feel like the real confidence came. Honestly when cody and the bucks hired me to do one of their first really big pay per views and i was like okay if these three guys and omega and these guys who i look up to so much. Want me to be there like one backstage interviewer. I must be good at my job and that kind of a stamp of approval and then of course the emel w signing for someone to want to pay me to come to a show travel. Whatever have me as their face. Like i must be doing something right. So that's kind of what really gave you that confidence but yeah i did not have at all. I didn't even have facebook until i was like eighteen. Th and he did a fruitful offi group class on social media. Post photos of myself. I'd much phone. Yeah you're sitting there with no social media talking on the phone watching tapes of the von eric's like it's nineteen eighty-one just like yeah. This is awesome bike rides with friends. Do you like your life better with all because now you're like social media. I mean so much of what you do and so much of your career growth in your business. Growth has come from social media and your presence on the internet and everything. Do you like that or are there days where you're like man. I wish i could just go back to bike. Rides and phone calls. yeah miss. The bike rides the video games. The sort you need it. If it wasn't here. I would probably be doing something else like. There's no doubt in my mind. I wish i'd have to be on it so much but at the same time. If you don't have your phone on you constantly. I could miss that interview. Opportunity that response yet campaign coming my way so i have to have it which sucks because i never need it to but at the same time. It's just a part of my life. I chose it so i can't really complain about it at the same time. So and now. I have to imagine too that when you're like especially when you're trying to grow as an interviewer when you're trying to interview bands and professional wrestlers like the ability to. Dm people is insane like the fact that you could just have direct communication with this person without having to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody in uk like it's it's it's such your shortcut it blows my mind. I mean the funniest thing is my diet. Used to be in a band and they played a couple of gigs on. Mtv and they had like a really cool thing going for them and then he had me and you know i kinda derailed by family going for it a twice sitting there by the way. That's why he's sitting there. He's forcing you to be entertainment. Because he's got live like you ruined it for me. So now i have to live vicariously through you. Yeah no it came to the player like they were doing really well and i think you know my mom. We're like family so it worked out. I'm here with it wrestling idol. Like it's one of those things like he used to talk about how you can just email a dental. Like you'd literally have to copy a bunch of cassettes physical mail like you just hear how it used to be and now instead of having to write a letter to someone i to interview fail mail. I can literally just follow them. Unverified at comes up on their tablet they are. They're like okay. She must be like something. They clicked they respond. Like that's usually how it goes so it's amazing the other day missy elliott all of me. Oh my god. I interviewed Danny jordan and. She mentioned how much she loves her. And i take her 'cause like why not try take anyone it's their substantial and everything next thing you know we will get followed by our sound like i'm totally going to sign into missy elliott's young snake that interview like i i gave left on red eye. No shame those things made so much easier. Some of my biggest interviews. Gigs have come from someone. Damning near vice versa. So yeah i feel like if you use. Dmz properly weirdo about it. They can be a magical. Yes yes if you use them in a professional way. Yeah they're amazing yeah. There's a bunch of creeps going like. Dm's on you know right. Put that out there. Professional requests is where. We'll we'll we'll that. But i mean yeah the idea that you could just dm missy misdemeanor and go. Hey you wanna jump on zoom and do something that's so cool since mind-blowing yeah yeah now I saw a thing you said you were a big Buffy the vampire slayer fan fan of the series. And then i was thinking about you know ambien your your your love of music and everything the musical episode. Is this a game changer. For you do you love it. Yes once more feeling. I know the title of it is one of the best things i've ever watched. I don't know why joe sweden had this way. I think those created it. Yeah way of putting these characters over in a sense for you. You'll for them. You connect with them. And i don't really like musicals. I don't watch any of that stuff but when it happened they were translating this motion and all this stuff they were all going through in that episode and it just made sense you know. There was that long goofy with the There was one really goofy ridiculous line with one of the defense all. Never forget when she's singing in the graveyard or even when they're trying to duke it out over the bunnies like it just added so much to it. I love that episode so much whole series so badly time at night like why not right. I was actually okay. This is probably a good question for you. Might be offensively stereotypically canadian. I hope not but I was actually just a trying to figure out what my next rewatch was going to be. I try to have something going all the time. Did you grow up with degrassi. The next generation no actually It's a shame. Seen an episode in my life right. Well that's what you should watch. It's incredible unbelievable. Yeah goner isn't ever discovered what it was was because there's the street downtown off of queens recalled degrassi street and that's where they filmed some of it and remember like oh that sounds familiar and in the personnel is wish downtown was like drake was in it and i don't. I am a horrible canadian. 'cause i've never seen digression i don't drake for me like i don't care to watch it so nothing against i just never dove into it so yes her hat. I mean i can be my next. I kind of get like not watching it specifically because people expect that you have watched it. Just because you're from canada. Which is kind of noxious. So i i get your point staying away from it but i'll tell you that i mean i was a fan of this show way before i mean i was literally a fan of the show while it was on. It was not because drake was like this. Famous hip hop guy was like i knew i was. Drake started rapping. I was like jimmy brooks from degrassi has an album. That's incredible the opposite thing. Yes some of my friends love it. I guess i just had this thing growing up. Where if something was really popular. I was kind of that person who like never leave your towards it. I don't i guess. I was also like one of those like either tight knit group of friends like i was bullied for what i liked growing up so i always try to not like what was popular so i never really got into it but i mean hell now the tables of turned so why not give it a shot. Yeah i mean you've come out on the other side like you know winning all over the place so you don't really have to have your defenses up anymore right. Chai changes kinda crazy started doing it like very heavily. Nineteen you know getting like really focused on it twenty five now so it just feels like it's been a long a long road even though it hasn't been that long that makes sense that's crazy that you're only twenty five though because it's like you've got like you said you've got almost ten years experience under your belt with all this stuff and i mean you're you're barely in adult by most standards. I mean when you look at like you know the stuff that people are like. Oh i was forty and finally got this done or i was like i mean you got a lot of runway in front of you thank you. It's weird sometimes. I remember being that kid at the shows the concerts on eighteen. And they're like oh my gosh. You're so young and now not twenty five year old up shows or concerts. And i'm just like oh i feel old and the other day suspect you owe a the sons of like slash and Scott leland. Ed metallica mega super band and there are like fourteen. Nineteen and i'm like danna kids like i'd just feel so it's all it's all perspective you know and act. They've been doing this for forever but in reality it hasn't been that long. There's still so much room to grow. Yeah it's like just starting which makes sense why like you really picked up wrestling in the ruthless aggression era. Because you weren't alive for most of it like you you. You weren't alive for most of the stuff that happened before it so the fact that you this education of stuff that happened before then is is incredible. It goes back to yeah. is that. so how do you when you watch old wrestling or when you when you started to watch older wrestling did you just go like. Oh my god. This is great. I wanna watch some more. I want to watch the more you spend much time watching your house or were you watching it with a goal in mind or watching for specific reasons or it was pretty much nostalgia for my dad. He watched it with his dad. And so you know after playing basketball a bunch of his friends or whatever you would just tell him the basement with I've popped on the couch. And i would just watch it you know. It wasn't really like i. Choice biden choose to leave. So i was into it. I guess back then. Yeah i mean. I don't remember all vicks. I was so young. Maybe like four. Yeah maybe when. I start like the older stuff. But it's just one of those things where it sticks with you and then i feel that nostalgia watching it with him so i wanted to learn more and like it now the generations. You see a wrestlers coming out. You have to go back to know your knowledge so it in there and it's not all like coming to me instantly whenever i need you know what i mean. It's not something. I remember vividly. I was so young. But there's enough amid lingering in their someone brings up a name or something i'm like. Oh yeah i remember this matter. There is or whatever right. Yeah yeah we one of those things where yes. Yes and you don't remember specific things but then all of a sudden you hit somebody with this one little detail. No oh gee so you do know do you do you do you watch a bunch of wrestling in your free time. Now or do you Reserve that free time for other stuff and the point where before the pandemic was show after show after show every single weekend. I was in the states. And then weekdays i was working and hosting an inflight interviewing all wrestling stuff. So when i had down time at night the last thing i wanted to watch was wrestling and it wasn't for the lack of love of it it was just what i had watched twenty two hours. I mean that you know. Sometimes you go to these shows you land. You're surrounded by wrestlers. You talked about wrestling. You go the show using your watch. The show your little dog so i cut. It came to the point where i just binge-watch shows and play video games are just chill out and when it goes the now's since a little bit of times past from having so many live shows i do try to tune in or instead of watching it live. Actually if i hear about a really good match a watch on youtube because most places post so kind of keeping up with it that way. I always watch on w. on wednesdays i like seeing how it turns out super fun for me jeff but otherwise. Yeah it's it's not as much as it used to be. That's for sure. I mean look. It's not that dissimilar from eating swedish fish for six months straight and then all right. Let me take a breather. There's other foods to eat in the world. You get it absolutely well alesia. I'm glad that we finally had the chance to sit down and talk for awhile. m l. W of course is where people can find you every week. And where can people find. Msw yes so if you would like to tune into emo w holly advisor june. You can watch every wednesday night on subas sports or on our youtube channel which is simply youtube dot com slash major league wrestling and also actually every saturday night. We are on beyond sports. Do you out there and anytime anywhere on zone you haven't have bat or pluto. Tv so there's so many different places you can watch the easiest. One would definitely be youtube so check us out. We're doing something super different. Great talent so much fun. i'm there so yeah and like honestly like with so. Many options for you to not watch would be disrespectful. It seems like you have to go out of your way to not see it so like come on like you know we. We all love wrestling turn on am l. w. by gets great stuff. I appreciate it. Ali shah. Thanks a lot. Thank you so much phil. Thanks for listening. Follow not salem on twitter. Instagram facebook and you to rate review subscribe. This has been awesome.

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Update on Covid and elimination chamber predictions and more class ideals .

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What the one four The show must go on. That was the only one that has metaphor podcast movement. And i i copied information for that class and one's a opportunity for speakers open up pot thefts opened up. I'm going to submit that and then the two other classes. I'm gonna do the same thing a mistake. Voting information don't have to redo it and then put the theme information for part. Beth though so i have a much better shot this year than i did last year because the last year this pre pre corona that the one where i got the knife i begin at both in a really my those us was being but you know but now with kerala not too many people is going to be. You know wanted to travel. And some people might be watching the virtual. They're going to have it to way they're going to have it virtual and they also going to have it in person and i imagine the pot fest at the doon event is going to be the same way so and i've never been to nashville so it's going to be very interesting to see what music city is light though. If don't be very interesting and it's going to be at the largest hotel The gaylord oprey land hotel on. I'm talking about podcast movement and august so it in d. pod fest on june is going to be at the hilton. Orlando over there. The last one that. I believe that the maryanne i wanna say i want to say that the marriott i believe i forgot but i think marian then give the one that my first podcast. That win. Podcast for that windham. I know that i remember that. Go both when i went to the wind ham and the mary had the tranfer inbetween hotel. Tonight heated. I hated it. Because i had to leave early dark. Get to the venue. Go to either the class or the keynotes at stuff like that and well. I did let some of them and then one of them. I had the incident during the last almost next class. I was trying to state next lack cloud because there was a party that i wanted to go that they need me and english returned to the hotel room after the party but when i passed out because i'm idiot one of the best around with the fire drill arm there go my party and i passed out in a row never ever ever ever. I hope that that didn't happen again but nonetheless. Yeah so at least the only problem that i have with cremona as the cleveland scare so Yeah but if anything were to happen next week was posted a better way to go to a are. Because i think there's a couple of days as being the fifties coming we have been better chance to go the end but other than that craziness craziness craziness greatness elimination chamber. Now why are you gonna make limitation chamber a pay per view when you're not even have that many matches. I was looking at the match of started getting ready to Do the Petition and they only have one without the chamber chamber matt or elimination chamber man and then one to two matches within the eliminated chain. Imagine what he only has three matches in the main card now. I don't know well a there's usually going to be a pre show. But i don't see any matches that's gonna be pre show material. Okay i mean. There's no what america's did gonna talk through at the pre show with no matches. I mean three matches. Who's going to be the lowest prediction. That ever i had show matches the look. Clark why did even pay per view. Why did he pay per view and number two is only With the thunderdome. I don't know i i. I don't know what that man logic is in this one. 'cause usually they will have more magic than the pay-per-view usually i mean. Even when i did get her royal rumble. Which i'm still shot that i did that are in the world romo than i did at the at the super bowl. I am really shocked. I'm still in shock over there. That i did more got more correct in the where rumble even though i missed on women's one then on super bowl during the final. Nfl picked up a twenty twenty. One and hopefully next year will be better or nesty will be better. I'll probably when we are Slowdown with everything. I will probably go through the schedule of the Nfl okay. I might do ahead though that we will know which one will be Predicting so i might go to other schedules to give me something to talk about. What this program and his podcast. Give me something to talk about. But here we go with the production for the petition for the elimination champion Limitation chamber denies state championship. Bobby lashley verses little vs keith lee. though it's a triple threat match. Wow usually in a typical match. The champion does not have to be involved in the decision if somebody wins. don't they. For example bobby. Lee and impr- incapacitated an either not brought riddle and keith lee. One of them pindi dutta for the one. Two three less than you know bobby champion and it has happened as happened. A lot during the eliminates donate doing the triple threat match. So i'm going to have to do a. Oh god. I don't know if i want to use my I can't think there was a car. That i call it the last time when i was doing and nfl pickup. But anyway okay. So i'm gonna do a of couple of predictions here okay. So it's either going to be matt little or keith. Lee defeated bobby lashley or it could be bobby. Lashley retained the title somehow some way but my my main prediction is either gonna be matt riddle or keith lee. Becoming the new united states championship my second. Prediction is bobby lashley. I somehow became into jambi in his triple threat. Matt though they go all right now. The second match in a short card very surprised. Because i usually laid it to saturday but then i thought that was so exhausted and tired. I didn't even do the program doing too early. Now before galvanization chamber. I have all my petition then and only matches now. I feel like an idiot. Because i could've done it yesterday but i was still too tired shoes anyway. D first elimination. Matt's is evolving the wwe. Champion tip. I should say the wwe championship on the line. It is going to be between. Drew mcintyre cool to current. Champion sheriff versus. Aj style vani are in versus. Jeff hardy only got kofi kingston in there. Oh yeah he got. I mean he got screwed during the first smackdown on fox with brock less. Beat them in a few seconds or something like that. they screwed over kofi kingston. So you don't want to do. I'm gonna make some double of a triple triple to put this is almost being like the more rumble. My god my god is like the rumble. i'm gonna go kofi kingston also like jeff hardy in this one could go ran your but i could. Also predict drew mcintyre so once again do mcintyre retain or we have new champion in randy orton. Jeff hardy or hosted kofi kingston will be a time Wwe championship or time wwe champion. Defunct time to say the once again. One thing in my one two three four five. My five petitions are randy orton. Jeff hardy kofi kingston will be new champion or do mcintyre regain the first limitation team of math. Okay so the last match. And i still can't believe dana the last match because i don't want any more matches here on his cards five that i'll put everything in one. Shell when thank -ment whatever universal championship number one contender though those for being a number one contender for the universal championship. They'll how come they're not letting the person who become the universal champion to fight for the universal championship the night when they only had three deg on matches so that we have all of the wrestling shows of the vessel. Podcast tab. can't i don't understand it so this one only a universal championship. No more contempt tender number one contender. I think this should be a party. Pre show. i'll be surprised. Yeah i would be really surprised if the united states championship ended up in a pre show. But i think the none the number one contenders ship should be in the pre show. That's what i would think. That's what what i believe. And it's only a only a decoy match you on anyway. Universal number one championship animation chamber gold. My of perdition here. So here are the contender. India ended match. Kevin owens kanye buying j. ozone gain cesar all king corbin. I can tell you now. I don't like king corbin or dane in there's merit less cost them out light now. Let's cross them out right now. And i don't even know if daniel bryan is still a healer faith you know. I don't even know i don't know but i will tell you this. I do going to predict. Kevin owens j. also not necessarily in that order once again my petition. Kevin owens j also. Because i don't know a clue as buying a hail. He changed him faith in time. And i think king. Corporate have. Kim coleman danny things. I've always been he'll j. J. also have been detained back and forth too. But i think he the faith even can all of that team the thorough. I believe he's always been faced off this whole time at net. So but i still plea that if either gonna be. Kevin owens j. also arches daro i don't know about daniel binary but if i'm on egg happened known women though lengthy maybe they might on the twenty four seven jammed. Tim by just like they did in the woman's warren rumble. I don't know i know my dad. How are they going to do. The the twenty four seven in the illumination chamber. Open the cage and let them finding the cave while the adults are fighting to each one. Get a chance that the twenty four seven. I don't know oh co workers the storyline anyway. So it again. So yeah i had a lot of. I'll let me give you the the petitions again. I'll start backward though the contenders ship with number one. Contender ship for the university title was should be a pre show. Because it's not. As for the title the i think that Who's going to win. This could be kevin on it be jailed though and it could be the darlings. Okay the second mass just championship batch in the elimination chamber i had different other Believe i picked randy orton. Jeff hardy kofi kingston and any other possibilities pick that to mcintyre retain and for the triple threat match. I picked riddle versus Keith lee vs also voted the bobby. I picked riddle or keith lead to become the united states championship. The ultimately want the united states championship at the did then that then whoever went in the elimination chamber will be fighting for the united states championship. So well what's going on to nine after You know after the elimination chamber. Or tomorrow. When i get the information who win the elimination chamber and spring's finally common and i hope it stays though anyway. Let me tell kobe one more time. 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Competent Storytelling vs. the Greatest Roster in History, and TLC Preview

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Competent Storytelling vs. the Greatest Roster in History, and TLC Preview

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One hundred percent tried to build a snowman with the kids last night and it was to powder it was. The snow was too good in building. Those too good so my my fiance. What she did was I wanted to go record something. But right before this and as soon as i stepped out of my office she liked just called clocks with snowball in the middle. Oh so i gotta go. I gotta go get her back eventually. So yeah that's very mature here with our snow day in the. Yeah hang on to that one all right. We get a lot of talk about this week. We got a pay-per-view coming up. And we're going to preview that. I i just want to get in. I mean there's a we also had great annex t main event a lot of obviously a lot of aew and goings on. But that's kind of what. I wanna start off talking about. There was a quote They got a lot of traction. This week from bryan alvarez bryan alvarez the ratings god who says you know what a proven over the last year there are two options here the greatest roster in history or competent storytelling. We have learned in the past year. The competent storytelling trumping the greatest roster of all time. Now listen this is very specifically you know spurred by the story telling kenny omega and then going tna a aaa all these kind of hens now towards a bullet club and new japan. I guess and everything else which is not to diminish the point at all d. n. a. w. is telling to tells a lot of good stories. The reason why we're having this conversation. Is this bigger conversation about you know what they're doing with kenny omega. But but it's true man. I can't our producer. John was mentioning. Just not not with any like. There's no nothing loaded here but was mentioning shameless right before we hit record and rising had been enjoying the little. Shame drew mcintyre thing. They've been doing on raw And i understand that the reason why you had. Aj beating him with a chair this week. But at some point. I was watching that and i was just like three weeks. Funds storytelling with james and drew mcintyre solely so that shame could be the punching bag that we see in every single. Tlc few in a you know where you were. The bagai beats up to good guys friend. Like like i there was. Will you know. Feel like it's. It's the get back for winning his first title in the tlc matt so it was just a long running curse for shame as that you will give you this title run but every tlc from here on after. We're going to beat the snot out of you. Yeah it's true i mean listen. There's long-term storytelling wbz. But it does seem like at times. I would take time. It just seems like a lot of the time the best stories they tell they fall backwards into the long-term storytelling almost accidentally. I'll make and i'll be specific about it. Okay two of the things the two two of the two of the pieces of ww product. That i've enjoyed most over the past. Couple of months are the network specials with keith lee and live morgan and story that they tell in both of those things was. Wwe fucking up right. That is like the near. It's a it's a story of overcoming. The odds odds stacked against them are wwe. not signing. keith. Lee they should have signed him and live morgan's case the fact that they can't keep a coherent story going longer than fifteen minutes to let her succeed like that like these are the odds are stacked against in. Wwe's owned retailing and an event and and to to pile on top of that whether or not this was real or just a total gimmick or if they trying to work at work to shoot or whatever. There was this huge story over the past week. That vince got pissed. Off at apparently keith lee otis and deal mad. Maybe some other people the big guys. He was mad at work and sent them back to developmental to take wrestling classes to figure out how to work that. Of course they gave a matches on on. Ron smackdown this week. Maybe to prove wrong. The story maybe like i said to the work the shoot whatever but but they that just like icing on the cake he leaves finally getting shine and the only story. That's coming out about him while it's not the only story but one of the stories is coming out of adam is that vince doesn't get it. Now listen everybody needs work you can. Anyone can make the case. Yeah you could use a little bit of you. Just got landed on the main roster. Let's their main roster style down but like this is like the other big story back keithly. This week is that there is a far fetched but totally possible. Rumor that he's going be in the wrestlemainia. Main event drew mcintyre and brock listener in a triple threat. Now all the whole point of this is to say if keith lee gets there. I'll be happy as man in the world. But if keith lee gets there this story will be at least in the minds of all of fans the keithly got there despite like like in the face of the odds stacked against him by. Wwe in vince mcmahon. Am i crazy to say. Nah i don't think you're crazy to say that on top of it. I think the added caveat of the wwe network has made it really fun to kind of tell these stories throughout time because like you said like long term storylines have been hard to come by When it comes to. Wwe right not to say that. They don't do some good stuff not to say that they don't pay off some Some things here or there but Yeah it's been. It's been a little difficult to but i pushed back on a couple of thoughts that you just add right. There's a lot of those a lot to digest there. It's not the first time. Wwe has used Where kind of the company is against me or doesn't know what to do with me as storyline right. Like some of the biggest storylines. Have you know come from that. And anytime that happens wrestling fans and people like us who talk about wrestling and everyone who pays attention to these things always say. Oh well they kind of just fell into that one right. Turns turns out being one their biggest things ever so. I'm going to break that down even more right. Two of the biggest wrestlemainia moments of the past decade. Is what then. Bryan yussel mania. This underdog guy that we never thought would make a wwe talk to the top of the wwe and if they do make it to the top of the have no idea what to do with him and they absolutely smack a homerun give you an all time. Great wrestlemainia moment. Daniel bryan could die tomorrow. And god forbid dannebrog could die tomorrow. And he's etched in pro wrestling history of having one of the greatest moments in wrestling history and that is through not a people thinking not knowing what to do within at brian that they can use a top guy. The whole plus player stuff like that's all been played into by like stuff that we think secondly another big moment that happened second. Another big moment happened at wrestlemainia kofi mania right another thing that people thought at just an outside looking in all kind of fell into that one. We've been wanting to go for a long time. Kofi story is the company not believing in him the randy or stupid stupid stupid like they'll take these things that we say and work with it. This week is a perfect example of that because it proves to thinks it proves that one. The internet almost never knows what the hell. That's all right like as it. Is you all ears at one. Mike is carefully is not good. And i don't need him to go get training because by god i can't put them on. Tv or is he headlining. Wrestlemainia back is for the world title like it can't be two things at once like it can't be this guy so awful we don't know what to do with them or we believe in him so much that even though he's nowhere near the world title picture right now we're going with him. We're going with pretty pretty much throwing him into the the main event of last resume and it was just drew mcintyre breath lesson right so it kinda. It's kind of weird how you know the. Wwe specifically suffers from this ns because as wrestling fans and ask people who cover wrestling and knowing how much the rumor mill about. What's going on backstage kind of like drive so much of wrestling media. They will absolutely use that against this so not again. This is not me knowing what is going on back there or anything like that. This is again just an offset has many times and things have come true on tv. And i'm telling you this is purely speculation. And i'm absolutely you know just kind of using my wits to kind of put together but i would. It wouldn't surprise me if these things are being lisa specific medical professionals on purpose to help further things down the road that they can't get to ride away Right like it's no coincidence. That the two biggest rumors of the week is keith lee. he's gotta go down to the belt mental. Keith lee might be in the world title match wrestlemainia. Oh and by the way. Here's a chronicle of keith lee. On the network right now that you can check out. That's all about these type of things right and maybe i'm over thinking it. Maybe i'm giving people too much credit but we've seen an pass that it's been done before you've seen in the past that they've they've took something that might not have been their idea from the rudas at a tutor but have used to further something that ends up being fantastic and that we all love. They've seen it with with. They've done it with becky lynch gave done it with kofi they done it with daniel bryan. They've done it with seth rollins for for for for amount of time you know and now the sort of doing it with roman reigns you know what i mean like everybody for years. I said man. This guy's such a bad ass his don't such a bad ass hill. Can't wait and when you finally get it. It's some of the best stuff you'll see. Yeah okay well listen. I don't disagree with this. There's there's a tension here and maybe maybe we're in a world where okay in the attitude. Era then's mcmahon became onscreen owner vincent man and that and it became the big he'll in wrestling history basically and ever since. Then we've you know the the the you know general manager owner whatever the head the the figurehead role has kind of diminishing returns. Now really i mean regardless of whether or not they're doing it on purpose lemos potent. He'll in pro wrestling now. And probably forever is legitimately the decisions the owners at the the the the decisions that the owners are making backstage right right right whether or not. They're doing it on purpose. The perception that they're keeping daniel bryan or becky lynch or kofi kingston down is like the the most powerful. He'll thing that that the fans are now rallying against in wrestling way out there. But i mean. I remember very clearly during daniel bryan during the as movement. Right in the fall before His resume new win actual destroy before. But i was at barclays center the whole for monday night raw. The whole crowd was amped up for daniel bryan. They did not. Daniel bryan was backstage. He did not make an appearance. He was not merchant during the show and it turned and he was backstage and the word derives think the secondhand report from daniel bryan mouth. Why when asked why he wasn't back there. It was because they were trying. They were working the crowd. They're trying to get out there trying to get the crowds like getting pissed off that he wouldn't have but it wasn't like oh trump could've come out and said daniel bryan won't be here tonight because you don't deserve him or because like i hate you guys. Uh but they didn't do that they just didn't put on tv now. If did that. Make the wrestlemainia win that much sweeter. Yeah probably for me and probably for everybody else weren't even aware of that. But does it really work in your favor and lee in twenty twenty when you have when you actually have competition when there's another wrestling company competing and all and i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. All of the hard work. They've done making themselves the he'll over the past five years. The end result is now fans are saying. Why would i watch debbie their heels. I have something else. I can watch. You're actually trying to give me what i want like. Is it realized a what i said. I'm glad you said that. Because i have a great. What if sort of compare all right. So here's my what if right. What if stone cold. Steve austin came up in the arab social media. Let's think about let's let's take. Let's take the advent of social media and drop it into nineteen ninety six the end of nineteen ninety six. Okay here's the wwe face it. A company bret hart Shawn michaels baby phase. Boy toy sexy. Boy you're not. I mean it's still kind of in this like character. Based you know what i mean diesels truck driver and bam bam bigelow invader and the undertaker like there's only like there's still a bunch of characters and there's this two guys that are just guys that are top br shawn michaels right incomes. Cold steve austin right and again. We're imagining social. Media is is is is is an invention enzyme nine. Seventy six six fans would say about stone. Cold steve austin if he was rising right now in that current climate of wwf. There's competition right. Not only their competition. The competition is kicking their ass and taking the top talent. What would they say about. Still halsey boss at that time Man i love stone cold wire pushing them. This guy's the man all they would never do it this guy carson. He's doing all this stuff he doesn't have to look at black trunks bald head. They need guys with hair body guys like they need to be to to send folks on a on a richardson. Regis and kathy lee in the morning. Like you can't put snow quandaries catholic. The company will never get behind the stone. Cold steve austin and he ends up being the biggest dude ever right not saying that is completely the same sort of situation. But i feel like us as fans work ourselves so much into getting and keeping a conglomerate like the. wwe on top. They have they have done it so many times. I refuse to believe that they are that. Incompetent the most importantly the people at the top that incompetent that it's not on purpose at this point. Okay right like you. Mother fuckers lover. Keith lee love him and not just fans people backstage love him. People that work at the company level. The last time i was at an actual. Wwe event was before royal rumble. I was in chicago for australia to stores. I in chicago for survivors were keith. Lee broke out and was it was one of those moments where you're like that dude gonna headliner wrestlemainia. It may not be next year. He's absolutely to headline wrestlemainia. Everybody saw it. Everybody knew it and a few weeks later they were at the barclay center. I'm not gonna say who told it to me but this is still when it was christmas so i think annex t was was doing like you know there were there recording episodes of acce- after smackdown after raw. Whatever and keith lee was in a match and as he came out somebody leans over to me and says walk. That's the guy that's going to be the next couple of wrestlemanias like and this is what he's white hot So i sell that to say this. I'm not saying the next on. Hold steve austin. I'm not saying the next bryan danielson or kofi kingston. What i'm saying is these sort of stories have been used against us before to make us. Okay good to give them what they once you know. It's a hell of a lot of patience. And i know it's hard to have patients in these type of things but it takes a lot of patient. Listen i think we're gonna give. I have a lot of responses. I think that it's totally natural for fan a year from now. Okay for the next year. Neither awol wbz tells a coherent story. They're still doing all. These stories are beginning. And of course there's gonna be some fan saying give him the benefit of the doubt. I think it's a lot more. I think you can look at. You can look no further than the good brothers and say it's a reasonable to give a e w the benefit of the doubt and not show. Now i know that they're tna property. Whatever but all you have to do is look at kenny omega standing in front of those guys and in one second you're like this could be the best trio in professional wrestling today. And then you look back to eight to two. Aj standing sanding alongside those guys and being like vince couldn't see through passed a comedy. Act with these with this with his trio. Right right and there's a lot of other issues and blah blah blah but like benefit of the doubt is a real thing and i get it like these are long term stories. I just don't know. If there. I just don't i mean i've made this case i made this case for daniel bryan all the time. It was a really beautiful told story it was really well done and you know i don't wanna take that away but you but you but if they're going back to the well on that i think it's a little misguided. I don't think they're talking. I just think that they could tell stories in a different way in a more compelling way and listen to take your stone cold steve austin example. First of all. I say this. With all due respect social media existed back then everybody would be the entire twitter reaction every episode of the of raw would be. I can't believe they're doing this shit again. Because i wasn't as wonderful as those days word. They did the same gimmick for like forty five single week. It was the same big but we look back at it now. Rose colored glasses video. The video packages are amazing. The hardest thing about storytelling. And you know. I'm i've mentioned before that. I'm looking at watching tape for the vince documentary. One of the things that i always wanted. That are always major. Sounds very humble flex by the way but one of the things. I've always i appreciate it one of the things i'm always interested in and when i when i look back at this as we talk about the advent of the you know i it was. It was how it was wrestlemainia. Then you know. They started adding sit survive. I mean the the survivor series. Our summers that you know all these other shows and then the monday night. Wars era became seven pay per views. Ten pay per views twelve pay per views year. The most interesting thing for me is back when i was a little kid. 'cause i'm old. There was wrestlemainia and kind of nothing else and like hulk hogan vs king kong bundy that might have lasted nine months before they got into wrestlemainia. Right fight that they've had to change the tempo of storytelling over and over and over again. So now complain. If randy orton fights the same guy to pay per views in a row and sometimes gave us a three weeks apart like it's like storytelling tempo has changed so much but setting that aside. One of the biggest differences between stone goal was coming up. Wwf and now is that they didn't have a choice but to push him and push hpk. I mean they had an undertaker. Undertaker is obviously a superstar but like well. Yeah those definitely such circumstances that stone cold was the choice. Sean was going through his things. Brett was out the door. You know the undertaker. Not i mean when to push at the time the whole i guess this is to bring this whole thing. Full circle bryan alvarez was saying there is a that there are two options the greatest roster and the greatest storytelling ever and what we always hear. Wbz in their best in their best moments was that there there were roster limitations. I mean we talked about the competition. Push him but also the the limitations they were. I mean if you go back and watch. Those episode. Derive wasn't just the same stone gimmick they had. Dax out there four times the show like they were they were. They had to fill this time and then what time they had leftover they were like Let's see what like owen harkin deals with jeff. Jerry jeudy was entertaining. You know even if it was near and wild and we don't look back on it. It was crazy and i guess the point is this. Wwe whenever somebody called up. Keith lee whose looks like. He's on a trajectory to succeed or somebody who hasn't succeeded to the same degree. Look like alastair black. We always talk about whether or not the wwe is gonna mess these guys. Right right win. W has been most successful. It's when they didn't have a choice but to make the guys succeed right like outsor- black getting called up and you and i can talk all day about how much we love. How much like they. You know how we could fantasy book him like. Maybe they'd be better off if they if they didn't have an option other than ouster black is going to be in one of your top two maj wrestlemainia make it. Were you know it's like it's like a it's like a. It's like a sport man. It's like a sport because if all the resources in wwe which is sixteen segments of tv on monday. Twelve seconds tv on a friday. I'm talking about segments as in like spots available to see talent Of all those resources go into making the black guy. I'm sorry it's just the way wrestling is. It's going to have to take away from other people. Yeah so do we say do we. Give drew mcintyre recy- the we see less j. also the we see less roman reigns. Do we see who escaped lee. Do we see less the ms right. Tell give me any of those people. Just named south thrones any of those people name. Do they not deserve to be in the main event picture in some way shape or form. Of course they do. You may be bored with a little bit. But even somebody like the ms who is the vice for some people but even think now people are starting to kind of respect. That like you'll the. Mrs been here for a long time the future hall of famer this guy has made. Wwe palpable for a lot of folks. Who aren't necessarily big wrestling geeks. But no the ms another mean he is super important to the w roster. You gotta get him on tv. Yeah i listen i agree. I'm not saying. I'm not saying they're doing well. They are doing the wrong thing. I'm not saying this is the only thing that they could. That would fix what they're doing wrong being of wwe. But i'm just talking about in terms of i'm not talking about terms of the whole show in terms of alastair black. There's no urgency right. I mean for any of these guys coming up. There's no urgency for them to succeed. I mean we saw. We saw on inex- thi this week. I think this goes. This is one of. This is an obvious problem that it's just a waste of breath to say they call inex- developmental but developmental doesn't mean. Listen if the do use your sports example if the gm of your basketball team thinks that everybody that coming up through developmental system is trash and they don't care about anybody that didn't like that you know. They didn't draft themselves. Then you're never gonna get anything of developmental right and so it's st. We had a main event match this week. That was one of the best matches that i've seen no longtime kyle. What those those two bangers that night storm. Tony's former rhea ripley which yet has made invented a couple of takeovers yet and colorado impede done which was swedish. Just i'll just throw a massive your candidate on a random wednesday night. Or don't you you know but kyle riley is going to now apparently gonna fight fen ballor a new year's evil if k. Or and the prince have a have they literally have the greatest match. The history professional wrestling like everybody agrees. It's the first ten star match like this is the best match of all time that will that will probably amount to one or two throwaway michael cole. Lines when carla riley gets called up and then we'll and then it won't affect anything else in anybody's career like it's kinda crazy right. That is true that is that is okay i give you that is one thing the i really wish the. Wwe did a better job of And they cut it to a degree when you know an extra was part of our series last a couple years back now but the lack of continuity from the importance of an tebas to what happens when they get on. The main roster is mad frustrating. Like they'll touch on it like when oscar was debut wing right they may ask are pretty big deal up until she lost that wrestlemainia to charlotte about her being undefeated. Never losing the match. See santa was shayna baszler. They didn't really do enough of that. And you're you're right man. Like i'm looking at a guy like thin. Bela who is who's done everything that there is to do and wwe so him is not going to necessarily need that. In the event he ever goes back to the raw smackdown of the world. But a guy like collor rally can go and have a masterpiece within ballard new year's evil and it's they'll never be like oh man like remember that masterpiece that like it's gotta be as he ought to be shut. Sasha banks barely level like john redefining defining match for its ever be like cannon with with with with the main roster stuff you know what i mean like it's gotta be match that like sasha and and the reason why they talk about their relationship in that match takeover brooklyn so much is because it redefined what people thought women's wrestling could be if in ballard and colorado don't do that it's a throwaway line on raw when he debuts in like a year you wanna take the really pessimistic attitude. Which only i only do. Because i'm in the middle of this conversation. You could argue. You can pretty. You could probably argue that. The only reason why they made such a big deal about that was in bailey's because they didn't have any other store they wanted to tell you know if they had been invested in storytelling. On a deeper. I mean on if the full. Wwe machine had been behind that. And it's traditional way. I don't think they care that much avenue takeover be telling some other story you know i i dunno i is. This is a very pessimistic but the cool thing is the cool thing is to bring this thing to kind of push. This thing forward The other big news when it comes to aws versus wwe is the day wbz in the demographic in all in all three hours of raw authorize a raw lost eight w in the in the key demo this week which i mean listen. Wbz got contracts with the tv networks and everything else but if anything is going to kick them in the ass and maybe that's it and i'm not saying that you know i don't know i i don't know what the solution is i'll say it roseman unwatchable raw just been like really hard to watch and like especially when it gets that second third hour and again. It's not to say that they don't have extremely talented people on raw. It's just hard to watch like it's just not it's it's a laborious. It kind of feels. Like i guess i'll say this the one thing a. w. has over wwe n annex t is that dynamite feels like a living breathing show. It feels alive. I don't know if it's because it's outside. I don't know if it's because there. An actual people sharing era i. I don't know why but it just feels. More alive feels more unpredictable. Feels more like you can tell these guys. Aren't you know it. Just it just has a different vibe and watching raw not so much smackdown smackdown the really good stuff i. I've got nothing but good things to say about smackdown barajas kind of feels so laborious to watch at certain points. I'm dislike man. Wanna watch this little watch. Monday night football. I'll watch. I'll watch the last. I watched the last half of of lamar jackson and baker. Mayfield going nuts instead of. Yeah you know the fiends been doing stuff again. It's just how i watch tv. And i don't know. I'm not gonna say it's a. It's their victim of time slot because they've owned the monday nights for the past the however many years but just lately. It's just felt salt like those three hours to rag. And if it's not a live crowd in there to keep that place alive or you know just something to just a live. Nothing thing up it just doesn't it just doesn't feel live. Man doesn't feel doesn't have an air of unpredictability doesn't have air of of. I'm if i missed this. If i miss raw i'm gonna miss something big happening like nothing. None of that none of that. Yeah with the hurt business. Oh it seems like a how to say this. I'm going to differentiate to differentiate between a story. A storyline feud a few seems a little bit beneath the or an angle seems a little bit beneath them and my create. I mean. Like i. Like i like i feel like i'm all i'm interested in business for the kind of like the storyline with them forming with them like like and everything through ricochet was part of this form part of this origin story and it was really cool and really well done and beefing with with riddle is just sort of like all right like wha gimme more. I need something else there. You know it's like just like. I always say that the most important thing is we have to establish with every character that these are people who have decided to be professional Like cage fighters and that and their goal is being the best cage fighter right or their goal is making or whatever. The hurt business does a great job of that. They do that as well or better than anybody else. I just think that on some level it gets lost. When you're just sorta like having silly feud with somebody that doesn't really have any stakes rate. I mean it's i don't know i don't know maybe i'm not but anyway we've talked about this long enough we on. Wd long enough. Because i agree with what you just said the good part of this and we don't have a lotta time to touch on those. They're still doing with kenny omega. And we're only two weeks into this thing but the big the big thing. This news this week is that. He's headlining their next pay per view the at hard to kill. You're going to have the good brothers and kenny omega versus as the bou against the motor city machine guns and the tna champ rich swann. Now i mean that's cool. Maybe the bigger news is that they're actually referencing. The bullet club which is either like the most incredible game of corporate chicken possible. Where they're just like we're just gonna keep saying it until you let us sell shirts or or which is one would assume much more likely they've got this back pocket deal with new japan and whether or not this was a new thing that they've worked out or a main one wonders guy. Talk about giving him the benefit of the doubt. You have to wonder if this is long term storytelling. If there wasn't a little bit of like fake animosity between these two days just so that this moment would pay off all the more regardless and this is what we say with. Wb regardless of whether or not daniel bryan was was a that was the plan from the start or if they were calling on the fly until resume morning it was a good story regardless of whether or not new japan ain't been working together for two days or two years. This is a great great story. And i cannot wait to see where it goes anyway Until that happens we still have an endless stream of w pay per views that we have to cover this weekend on sunday we have. Tlc and we'll be the. I think broadcasting on sunday night. Assuming well there's a ninety five percent chance we podcasting on sunday night snow and weather in excitement permitting but we have we. Let's let's run through these matches because it's going to be a fun. It's going to be a good time. I mean there's just no doubt about it What's interesting is that. There's a lot of the people who i loved. The enjoyed watching the most. This week aren't even on the card and maybe that goes back to the conversation. We're having before but let's talk about the card as it exists right now at saint. We got her business versus your champion. The new day your champions new day kofi and xavier for the raw tag team championship as i could go either way on this one I've talked myself back and forth a hundred times if mvp and and lashley weren't otherwise occupied. If this were like all the hurt business is really angling for it would be a little bit would feel maybe a little bit more meaningful. I think the new day retained. Because i'm torn and that's the easy decision but i don't know what do you think there's a lot there because the new day have been the hurt business many times you know what i mean I feel like it might be. It might be the hurt business time man. I feel like. I might be the hurt business. Time you've really locked into Sh- centric alexander as sort of like. They're they're showstopper. he's which is just crazy to see like after all those guys all those accomplish dudes in the hurt business and they pretty much like they are ushering. Cedric alexander to the front. Like this is the dude out of the group. This is the dude that you know he. He's got clean winds over kofi kingston the former wwe champion kofi kingston singles competition. You know what i'm saying. So it's like. I could totally see the the the her business taken the doug and that's going to be my pick. Think the hurt business when the time team. Titles the sun. I think you'll be if you want to do do long-term storytelling. I think it'd be really great if the hurt. Business is concentrated on the tag belts and used the new days own free bird rule as all four guys in one tax. A yes yes. I could see that. I could see that man and they got golden. They got the united states title. They got the tag team. Titles i mean that seems like an important group. I might be kind of farfetched to see someone else from that. Go for the world title. But i could see that i could definitely see you know and and and you know. Please sort of like yeah. He's he's he's worked but he's more of a a manager in managerial roll right now. So i could see him kind of flaws in the greatness of what he's built and seeing all three guys kind of put together Alternative champions yeah. I think he talked me into it. I'm gonna stick with the new day just out of you know consistency but i think the hurt business might be the winner here. Okay the next next we have Let's see sasha banks your smackdown women's champion vs carmella. You know what i've had. I've been back and forth on this since it started really but not. I mean just a lot of a lot. I mean. i've always thought it was good. I just think that the the the bar was so high and smackdown or just in you know the sasha banks territory that you know. I didn't know if this was sort of like a soft reset. I didn't know quite how to read it. Friday was incredible man. I like everything they did on friday. And i'm excited. I'm excited to see this match I'm excited to see carmelo wrestle. I'm excited to see like i'm excited for all the parts. They did a good job. Getting me excited about this. I think sasha's gonna win when million percent. But i'm but now i'm invested in this shoot. It doesn't take smash wine bottle on somebody's ribs in i'm into it. Yeah yeah. I'm into a to immensity Sort of dichotomy. I'm into the feud Insa sasha banks not changing anything about herself but still being like the sympathetic baby face. That's the one thing. I'm more proud of my. Ira how are they going to turn this. Woman ensues something that or somebody. Everybody kinda cheers for almost to win and they've done a pretty well with carmella so Doesn't this comes from the department of no question is too stupid asking. I mean that with all seriousness. I'm just just asked why. None of the matches are using tlc stipulations. There are a couple of them. The the reigns vs ko match And ended mcintyre aj size match or both tlc flick full on tables ladders chairs nat matches previous years. They've had just like some tables matches. They had a chairs match. You know they've had whatever but it is a good question. And frankly the only reason why. I didn't ask that myself because i think i missed. I just assumed. I missed some sort of like pronouncement that we don't do it that way anymore and But i if that's if the if this is sort of like hal and the sort of the the decision has been made only. The top. Two or three matches are going to be full. Tlc no we're not. We're not you know slicing it up any further than that. I'm totally fine with that. And i mean it's just it does get a little bit watered down when like you know the eighth match on the card is a chairs match and they gotta figure out a new way to book a chairs match every year. I mean i don't mind them keeping it. You know keeping an with a book a lot of those matches. Aren't that great either. I've never been like that shares match. Anybody remember like a memorable chairs show had the giant share share and stairs. They had a stairs match to what that was about but never really memorable matches to begin with a one card. It told you it doesn't. There's no there's no. There's no narrative to the show. You know there's no there's no up and down So yeah this is definitely the way to go. I think yeah. I mean i it's weird. It's weird i i like it though. I think we all kind of quietly accepted as fans like you know what i don't need an entire pay per view of tables and ladders match insurance matches and stares matches just save it for the big stuff and i'm cool and i think we all kind of agreed as fans like. Yeah you know what this works. If that's what's going on where To stick with a non tlc category get these out of the way. We have nine jackson china versus oscar. Td one of the greatest wrestlers in wrestling history. Tvd interesting story. Because i don't know what the hell they're doing right now. It was supposed to be asking versus And lana versus these two. Lana apparently got knocked out by cafe. Brownstone by w. She's too injured to compete. Now i don't know if that's going to set up for paul pierce comeback during the match like we've seen in wrestling history or mandy. Rose was their trying about it. Looked like she was going to be the partner but then she was sort of out of it by the end. Yeah and now. There's rumors that maybe it's naomi met me. There's like there's all these all these other wrestlers are they could bring back in the spot and it'd be a pretty good spot for them Charlotte is You know putting out instagram pictures of herself with like hogan's arms photoshopped on her body I don't like there's there's a lot of there's a potential. I guess to me here. This this is what i'm thinking. Yeah if they're taking. Lana out as part of the story line. I'm a little bit confused if it would be anybody except lana making a surprise comeback. You know maybe they put mamiya rose in the spot in. Lana plays a role in it. If if the match at the stories about anybody but lana the only thing that makes sense is that charlotte got medically cleared two months early and a million and they're gonna toss allow story aside so they can come back. I have a hard time imagining anything else. But maybe i'm just not being imaginative enough. I don't know there's those feel like those are the only two will three this three options that make sense Lot of the paul pearson getting an coming out of the wheelchair and stealing a win at the very last second Injured and all. I could see that happening I can't see charlotte flare coming back for You know her crown and helping the women's champion on some like okay. I helped you out baba paths to keep you safe but now you know the queen's back i want my title and i could see naomi coming back like naomi. An oscar had very very brief partnership. Like you know On some rush hour shit back. I'm allowed to say that. Because i helped write this. The right the The partnership on tv when they were doing it together but soon i owe me an oscar so we haven't seen naomi on tv since she was drafted to raw. I don't think so You know and and again not to downplay any body else. Women's roster i do believe charlotte flare is a bigger deal than a mystery partner Not saying i is a big deal. But i just think storyline wise dow would make more sense because we've already established at ao men oscar. Our friends yeah. And she seems like somebody that will come to help her out whereas no oscar. Charlotte have a very well documented and rivalry whereas she's broker undefeated streak and they've gone back and forth so it would it. Would it would make some sense. But i think mayo makes the most sense. Unless we're just doing lana willis reed on us and coming back from injury. I think that makes sense to me too. I just. I just feel like it'd be weird to write. Lana out of this story. Line would come. i mean full. Stop so anyway. We'll see. I think that us getting. Td will win this match because the way it feels like it's got any follow match. I'm not. I'm not mistaken. Detectives automats. Yeah for yeah for the for the women's champion tag team belts so is so I mean maybe maybe you're right. I mean maybe it makes sense rosca to be holding two ballots. Maybe this is you know they win by q. Or something like that and nine hang onto. Titles that does make a little bit more sense but regardless I think oscar. Tvd will be celebrating at the end of this thing but who knows anything could happen. Okay now we get on. Oh no sorry one more non. Tlc match is The fiend vs randy orton in a singles match. I mean they've done a pretty good job of building. This feeling the stakes with the senior so high that if i'm not like the just based on the character it's like the undertaker. This is what this is. This is the bad that comes with the good. If i am not desperate to see this match it feels like a real loser of the match going in you know. I mean it's just like he's such a big character. That i feel like i need a big ball of desire in my heart to watch this and i'm not quite there with this. When although they've been doing they've they've had some interesting kind of twists in it. I guess yeah. Anyway i mean. I think that the field is going to win. I think that they have to. I mean despite the the rumors about resume any. I feel like they gotta get the scene and drew mcintyre in the same room at some point in the not too distant future but who knows i mean maybe maybe not Go with the fiend on this. And what do you think. I'm going to lock this one. In i think the fien Destroys randy or and Randy's had often quietly su. I'm not saying quietly because you know. I guess because of the situation quietly radio inside one of the best years of his career this year just from royal rumble to the story with edge to drew mcintyre to the world title match. I think we've done a lot with randy this year. And i don't think he loses anything by losing to a guy who doesn't really lose. Yeah so I got the fiend on this one I'm gonna lock that in it. It just seems like a no brainer over there then all right. That's locked in no reason to talk about it anymore. Okay we got to matches. One drew mcintyre vs. aj styles i just don't see drew losing this for one. I mean it's all it's all circumstantial. It's all you know second level stuff the fact that. Aj wasn't the you know the original plan that it was supposed to be strowman in the spot and he got her The fact that aj's been working basically as a comedy act Doesn't really seem like the moment. The moment for to push the button on him again The fact drew Finally figured out his look which is the black hills and nothing else like he. Looks like such a freaking bad ass right now And the fact that this is not that we're still you know Drew's gotten the drew's got in the past this long right with obviously or had the belt for a little while but drew's gotten Drew's gonna get some run. I think until they bring the fans back. What until something. A real obvious. Next option comes along. I think this is a million percent drew. But i'm excited. I gotta tell you. I'm excited to see what drew in. Aj with you know a ring full of plunder a think it's going to be an incredible match Aj styles all these years. Still is a guy. Get excited to see matches of consequence world title matches. Tlc matches all type of stuff. He sort of like an innovator when it comes to these sort of thing so i still get really excited to see him in these matches and Drew mcintyre hasn't had a bad match as as a world champion like going into the world like he he has he's legitimately has not had a bad match as world champion in the paper view this year Really interested into seeing if we get a lot more Almost giant almost here was starting to see him get physically involved. I'd like to see a little bit of that. I'd like to see some play. Where his big as aj sitting on his big ass soldiers and he's climbing up the ladder like as a race to the finish or something like that. Like i think there's there's some fun stuff that could be done there and But again i still think we gotta keep the you know. We gotta keep the prettiest horse in the stable and that prettiest source in stable when it comes to monday night. Raw is drew. mcintyre is the world. Wwe champion so i drew. I agree i agree I think the by the way. Almost i believe was on that list of big guys who don't events who is mad. They couldn't wrestle or whatever and the only we've ever seen we've never seen almost russell what's low angeles. The only reason that makes sense for him to be getting a refresher courses if he's about to have to you know if he's a business about to have to work your most valuable asset right like the only rea the reason why you might be like send him back to the mental as if you've already booked him like power bombing your champion through a table rate. Like just make sure he knows how to do that. In the end the royal rumbles. Coming up to you. Love to see him in there. It's always great. To see big is in the royal rumble because the eventual moment. Where like twenty people ganging up on a try and get him out in what i'm saying or you know you're going to have them look really good. So yeah i. I could see that i could definitely see that yes. So we're both in agreement there on drew. I mean whatever i'll all i will I'm not gonna lock that. So an end because i mean much more comfortable locking in the next match which roman reigns vs kevin owens There is a quote from keio. This week he was talking about goldberg or if it was on the the bumper on something else but he was just. It was like listen man if goldberg came and we actually got to cut promos on each other and and You know build the story and then we had a match like that would be fun. But that's not really what he does. It made me feel a little bit sad. And i'm gonna tell you why because kevin owens is one of the most incredible performance in the business. I mean just the full complement of skills. Top the top to bottom. He can do it all and yet. He deserves more than like one off matches. It makes me a little bit sad. If he said. I mean i know he doesn't really think this but it makes me a little bit sad the bar has moved from like a year of epic storytelling or whatever we want to say that the high water mark for storytelling is down to while i get a good month roman reigns and then i'm gonna lose. We all know. I'm gonna lose. But at least i got to cut some promos along the way i mean. Listen this is a fine way to like wasting time. If you're if you're if you're treading water moving onto the bigger and better thing was roman reigns. But i mean you could. You could do a lot. Worse than kevin owens but kevin owens and he said there's not enough spots the top for everybody in that truly. Ko deserves better than one month. They've done a great job with this. Tying kevin owens in the juice oh and everything else. I've had a lot of fun a lot of fun with food. And i just hope. It doesn't end on sunday now. Roman reigns is one million percent gonna win. I'll raise you one billion percent he's gonna win but On top of that. I couldn't agree more. I think having owns a supremely talented He's he's proof that some guys need to be on top all the time around. Yeah he is proof because he's so good. He took two weeks to reestablish himself as a credible threat to the top guy in the world. Which is roman reigns and It's just kind of goes back to strike the smackdown and the strength of the show. In the way that whole thing's kind of been structured. They have just been doing. They've been putting on excellent shows especially since summerslam especially since roman reigns. Came back on. That show has become done. A complete one eighty in automation and You know going. From sort of treading water with you. Know braun strowman and the fiend and doing all that stuff too now. Smackdown feels like a show. I can't miss. Yeah i wanna see. Were roman reigns is gonna do. And now you've got a guy like kevin owens who is You know a. We'd liking and so rapper. He's got critical acclaim everywhere. Nobody out who loves wrestling has a bad word to say about. Kevin owens so you get those suits at work each other for a couple of weeks or hopefully a couple of months and i'm all end so That being said. I do think there's a way that you keep kevin owens looking good and you kind of pushed us to the rumble But that's the way i'm looking at it. Unless roman reigns just completely destroys them and he just adds as like well ahead on his aac. But what you said. I totally agree with you said. Kevin owens may reestablish himself in two weeks and made himself a threat and it's true and what he's done so much more than what other people do. I wanna make this like super clear. It's not easy but it's also not super hard to make yourself a physical threat right. I mean you could take. You could take someone some third tier wrestler on the roster and come out and beat roman reigns the chair for twenty minutes. And you're like okay now. This is a match. I wanna see. But kevin owens is. Kevin owens is reestablish himself as like the conscience of the company like he's he's he's reestablished himself not as a threat but as a top guy and the fact that you can come from wherever he was and then be functionally like as if the top guy atop guy as if he never left is really really impressive. And that just speaks. Kevin owing to the writing on the show. Too but cao's just unsinkable. In so many ways but roman reigns is gonna win. Yes and he's showed one for as good as kevin. Owens is i'm i'm doubly instant him because of roman reigns so yes he shows. Yeah no no. That's true. And and i. My only concern was that they would sort of leave. The roman reigns storyline behind. Now that they've got they're kind of moving past jaso bit the vs j. Who so bit and they haven't done a good job of continuing it by the way so talking about long-term storytelling. We gotta gotta be remiss. If we didn't mention talking smack where Where romans advocate paul. Heyman gave a sort of pep. Talk to biggie cut a promo on. I'm less biggie. Speechless the big. He actually got a good himself. And then and then heyman came in and said. This is a biggie. We've all been waiting for and ended by saying. Let me ask you this question. When was the last time anybody when looking at win. Roman reigns in the ring with anybody. Even bothered to mention the shield. Obviously talking about how big he has to evolve beyond the new day And that's that's the story they're telling their to I don't know what the long term plan is there. But if it's i mean if the plan is that we're going to end up with with big iverson roman at wrestlemainia or some other time. I mean they're they're laying the groundwork and i'm excited already yeah You can't go wrong when the guy's got new music right so I think the one thing that paul heyman said that really stuck out to me was the things that you will accomplish in the future will pale in comparison to the already great things that you've done with a new day and it's been a slow. I say this every single week. I hope people are starting to catch onto this right the. Wwe will tell you what they're going to do each and every week as long as you pay attention and it kind of goes back to the beginning of my The beginning of this episode. And i'm kinda ghabra we're ending here because it's highs it all in a nice little nuts right the wwe will use your gripes to them as fans you to give you what you want if you pay attention right for the longest time. They've already put the seeds of doubt. And biggie. like you'll never be as big as the new day like you'll never be as pop as as when you were in this group. We can't take you seriously. can we take you seriously. It'd be a world champion. Can you cut the comedy stuff alone. Could you stand on your all. Know that type of stuff added to the fact. They kept him off. Tv now off tv. The kept him out of the ring for weeks. You'll catch him backstage. Doing stuff catching backstage talking to the street. Profits talked to apollo talking to you. Know just pop it in here and there and that's because when wwe dues that does that they want to make sure you're paying attention. They wanna make sure that even though he's not wrestling this guy has got to watch out for. It's alive vignette like if this is the eighties there will just be showing vignette becoming soon. Vignettes of biggie. What i'm saying like when before you know. The pat patterson invitation. We they'd be the new music brought chalk back all that type of stuff right there keeping you in the know the keeping you in the loop and saying this dude is important. Even though he's not wrestling we have to hear what he's talking about and see what's going through his mind because he just went through a lot of stuff were taken him in a new direction but not right now because we got other stuff to establish what we had to astonish is. That roman is the new dude. He's got his capo and juso. The new day has the leave and be successful on their own. They have to show that the new they are still a unit and they also have to cast a shadow of doubt on big e on if he can really performance survive without these guys That being said i loved what heyman sets him talking smack. I love talking smack turning into paul heyman to fix my life with with all these. If your patient wrestling fan a lot of times you will always get what you wants. You gotta be patient. You gotta take the ride with them and even if they they make a few wrong turns here there even if they hit a couple of potholes along the way more than likely more often than not they've proven to get to the destination runoff. Okay yeah and. I'm glad i'm glad to do. We ended up. Because i mean obviously the parallel is on. Aew where we're were over. The moon for the stories are telling not just with kenny omega but with hangman page with the bucks darby allin staying team ties. I mean the list goes on. Yeah you know. We had questions and complaints all along the way or a lot of fans did and a lot of the a lot of that boils down to. Why are you not pushing that guy right now. Why is kenny omega tag team. Why why why hangman page. Not wrestling in the main event. Why blah blah blah and the answer is you got to lay the groundwork you gotta sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta hold off for a minute so that it matters kenny omega matters now more because he beat jon moxley and also because he cheated to win up to be jon moxley but all that matters more than if they just give them the belts on day one and like work towards the he'll turn turn it whatever we all know that we can all look back with twenty twenty and say they made the right choices to get this year even though we are questioning him at the time and so i mean if this is maybe at the draft they just did this hard reset with smackdown. We're gonna tell a story between now or with roman reigns return until the story goes from now until wrestlemainia and whether or not it's who knows what it is but just hypothetically if it's roman versus big resume. They're actually telling it the right way you know. They're they're laying the groundwork. Having biggie headline every main event headland pay per view against roman reigns. We now in. Romania is not the answer to making us care about. Roman reigns vs biggie at wrestlemania. Right i mean you gotta be gotta do the work to get there now. Do we trust them to the work that your your mileage may vary but it's fun to think about and it's going to be and if we if we get to a good place as kenny omega showing us all right now if you get to a place that we can't help but talk about at the beginning of every show men man. The ride was fun. The right has always more fun. In retrospect of course how weeks ago are we talking about. Kenny omega overrated. When are we going to get the guy that we saw in new japan. Be like dude right and even if you ring wise entering wise he still hasn't gotten back to that place where certainly as hell. It's all about him again so sometimes it got to be a little patient. Wrestling fans have a little patience to take a time. Take your time. it's an enjoyable show. It's entertainment if the dragons showed up on the first episode of game of thrones. It wouldn't have meant nothing season whenever when it finally happened. You know what. I mean like if they came out. It's you know if i if the first adventures movie had thanos in it the link up with all the superheroes means nothing. You know what i'm saying. He gotta a let people tell stories. Even if certain things suck for sucked be incredible. Hulk sucked ironman three suck. It didn't make vengeance endgame any less enjoyable when we finally got them. Also link up. This happens all the time and entertainment. Have a little patience okay. It's okay to critical. It's okay to say okay. I wouldn't have went this way event. Nobody talks about vendors. Age of altron cares because eventually a got us to the greatest moment in comic book history. You know what i'm saying. So it's true patients wrestling fan patients patients patients. And we're all here watching these christmas movies now. I think we can all agree that you know if we hadn't had to tolerate the terrible films home alone one and two. We would have never gone to home alone. Four and the real payoffs there None of that is true. I agree but i'm glad that this is that we have podcast storytelling. Because that's what this degeneres genre so we have about wrestling. We love the stories. That's what it's all about storytelling with with with beating people up. It's great tony true. All right man. We gotta run. We'll be back on sunday. I believe for a Tlc post show until then policies is always john moxie. We'll see you back here on sunday. Humanoids tony shimada here on the bass man show. We are desperately every time tape. Machines are rolling. We'll see you next week on the mass man show.

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WWE NXT take over in your house predictions who will win?

The big d zone

12:39 min | 11 months ago

WWE NXT take over in your house predictions who will win?

"Right well. There's prestige DJ takeover with all the emotions that gone over what the the protests over the death of George Floyd and D-. All the triggers that's happening for the Marchesi. I have asthma and. Now there's some time can and cannot believe in all the triggers surrounding Nand And then also triggered after. Being locked down for so long. I mean it's really crazy. I haven't even done. A pay per view. I haven't even done a pay-per-view. Prediction I haven't done one of my petitions segment. Though by now I'm going to be attempting to do A. N.. S. T. takeover in your house petition? Right now one of the two main matches that is going to be an NFC takeover in your house and they've got cool shirts that almost makes you reminisce at the old in your house day. They did back in the. I say like. Only Ninety late ninety saw. In two thousand somebody that when they had the first in your house, and he tried to give up giveaway house and what they did, but Yeah, so this is the NFC takeover in your house, and I'm going to be doing d I had a dream of being asked by the man to work on In WWe! Knowing the now. And it don't take during the day. Wow so in the backdrop of that. Let me see if I could go. And, if I'm able to go to the the pay that then okay, I'm gonNA. Get to the matches. Tell you who I think that is going to win. So they have My My my may ING Teigen. No and settle blackheart versus the candies law, right the cold and the Kodo Kai and repel. Dollars! I'll go with the Edna that I could think of that I could say in this particular matches. I'm GonNa think that the colder guy and Gonzalez's is going to win this match up. At the end of the TAG team match up by the way probably GonNa put in the show. I'm not sure. That the show is going on now, and I'm still late with everything going on, but anyway Fin Bala further Damian Pres okay. GANGLION PRES. And I'm going to go ahead and say that fit. Ballard is going to win over Damian Pres that's what I say that that is going to win. That's what I think. Does tomorrow tomorrow soul. CHAPA. I was killer prod now everything, if all, above over killer across and the enters of killer cross. Though this is going to be worth predicting. And I think with all the bugs that's going on over killick-claw. He got to win. The match up told the birth would be streaming all over the play Cook Omaha Club. Throat Matt for. The first nine to nineteen to kill killer cloth has to win. This match over Charta killer Twat half to win this match over chopper. Okay now. The first of the two first of the placidly first of the three championship matches, that are in on the line and takeover. NS T north. American championship key flea versus Johnny Guard Ghana. Ghana. and. So Keith Lee is D-, incompetent, or he is the current Tida titleholder and dining Gargano. As the The challenger. And I think they're gonNA. Keep around key fleeing. I mean there might as well. They kept them out. People They kept around some people for a long while so. I think Keith. Lee is going to retain the champion. Over. Over Johnny there though we'll see, we'll see. The things have happened in the wwe lately, but anyway. So. W W E, NS? Women champion visit the big. This is one of the big ones. CHARLOTTE flair! versus low survive in a triple threat match up. And And Well. I think what I think It's GonNa be for me. I'M GONNA. Give you two for one. Now. The champion does not even have to lose. No, the champion even had to be involved to lose the math. That's running the tide of day. It's so hot him. Big county thought y'all at the hot. We've been a heatwave this whole weekend the whole weekend. And I'm not like couple of days to thin. Anyway though like I, said of these Charlotte versus the every plea for the survive. I like Ria Ripley and also long survived to possibly potentially take the title of the Flair Doll. Southern Flair, the need a title be name recognition play hat that name. She had the name recognition from father and everything like that. Everybody knows the flair in though, and everybody knows solid flair to do. They go! All right here's the other big one, the other big title that it on the line the An F. T. championship Anna coal versus fell between deem and a Glock Gal brawl. Blackout. Bra Isn't going to be like one of the matches that we've seen in Wrestlemainia with the Bonia match. In the firefly funhouse that we seen if they're going to be like that movie caliber style. We've back in Wrestlemainia. Well we'll. We'll put to find out tonight or to make the podcast. But. Let's see who the current title holder. and. The If an adult Coa, the championship though between dream is frightening for the title. To. Take, a lot going on the back Lot Bra? But I have a feeling backlog is in the movie. Okay? You're not in a movie on the back. Lot. So. I duNno I duNno. One side will say that Aniko win the championship in the back law. Backlog Bra but velveteen dream may have them tricks up his sleeve though. Wow! Fool F- I'm going to think that I'm going to think this through. I think that felt between dream will be a another entity championship surprising and I could be wrong in this one just had to wait to find out though whenever don't command. Eight tonight or tomorrow I'm going to be an on this league going to be getting the votes in death whole. Shebang, so there you go! That's who I think's GonNa. Win T in your house. Now. Unfortunately. leaky cross and And No longer tag team champions gate the title Batu Sasha. Bang and Also, bank than enter friend now. And while. My thoughts. The Now I think the iconic tie win the title again. They're going to try to try to snack the Connex to to win the title back. I mean there's GonNa. Be Crazy, literally going to be crazy in the women's division in the WWe Grade to grade. And now was not a dam county Geeta. Man But we'll find out what's going to happen. During the Ns t takeover and I will report who won and how idea did with by prediction. anti-takeover. By the way this. Still, not happy with the website, the way came out and everything like that and some things are not thinking right, so that's why haven't announced website. I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out some kinda way. But if you want to. Be a guest on the big D, don't. Interview Alan, not no, no, I'm you the Default Bakti own interview at Dot Com. Bake Dido Interview Edgy Mouth Dot Com or you could also use email. The Sharp Puerto Forty nine at mail dot, com. The Sean Porter Forty Nine D., E., S., H. 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John Morrison is Back & The Police Were Not Good - Thursday Notsam Thursday

Notsam Wrestling

51:25 min | 1 year ago

John Morrison is Back & The Police Were Not Good - Thursday Notsam Thursday

"Is Introducing your host from from New York. Here is rumors welcome Thursday. Not Sam Thursday. We've made it to Thursday folks one more day left in the week but plenty more wrestling as the thing about the time we live in. There's there's always more wrestling. There's always more content to consume. And that's exactly what we're here to do consume content I also create content. I'm sure some of you out. They're create content as well. We create we consume we create. We consume. It's a great relationship that we have in this year of twenty one thousand nine hundred wrapping it up by the way we'll have a couple year end shows coming up at the end of the month. I just Speaking of content filmed something really cool for. WWE that once it comes out I think you guys will be super into it. I don't know I mean. Hopefully it'll be good. I have a lot of faith that it'll be good. Though very unique thing that we just shot shot here in the studio for it. So I'm excited for you guys to see that hopefully pretty soon actually is when it will be coming and speaking of content. I also want to thank all all of you. Guys that went out and subscribe to YouTube dot com slash. Not Sam Wrestling of course All the PODCASTS. go up their videos from the podcast clips from you know. My my takes on Thursday night Sam Thursdays while a state of wrestling as well as all of the interviews that air on this podcast videos go go up at YouTube dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling. It's a new youtube channel. If you already subscribed to YouTube dot com slash not sam stay subscribe tons of content. Thank going there all the time but all the wrestling content goes to YouTube dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling. So if you're not already make sure you subscribe. Make sure you watch all the videos that we post over at Youtube Dot com slash not sam wrestling as twenty twenty rolls on. We hear not SAM. We're putting forth content initiative initiative. So that'll be a big part of it youtube dot com slash. Not Sam wrestling last week here on Thursday nights and Thursday. I was GONNA say Monday but it's actually last Thursday. Not Sam Thursday. The podcast was all about keithly. It wasn't all about keithly but it was enough about keithly that we retitled it the rise of keithly and I have to tell you based on what we saw this week on an xt. I gotta give myself the old key here. That Barry Horowitz Horowitz Pat on the back again because I was right how amazing I mean. Keithly had a great annex t last week when he you know memed Adam Cole into the Southern Hemisphere but this week I mean just the idea. I'm watching with my wife life and trying to kind of because you know she. She's in and out with wrestling. She doesn't watch the paper views. Because I'm not home to watch the pay per views and if I don't turn it on she she ain't turning it on. But I was like when Keith Lee pointed it came out I was like look looking keithly and she knows the undisputed era she knows Adam Cole because you know she's been around and when I've interviewed him many many times and she's AMCOL for a long time she went with me when I saw him. PWG there and received all those years ago but looking at keithly coming out and staring down. I staring down the undisputed era and you just saw just the way it was shot and the way he was sized up next to roddy strong. Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole. He looked like a giant. He looked like a mastodon he. He looked enormous with the three of those guys looking on and shout out to roderick strong for trying to hide his his United States. North American championship behind a Chi- Bobby fishes and x t tag team title that he was holding now. I don't know if you've noticed that. But when keithly staring down Roddy strongest covering his title with the second tag title that he's holding four bobby fish just because keithly sizing ising everybody up. Which title am I going to take? Hopefully if he doesn't see the North American championship he won't take it. I mean I love that. Whatever thinking is that I love it you you at that moment with him? And then you had the moment within Ballard. And that's the second. Keithly me Keith. Lee might be the most memorable talent in annex t right now a week ago. He's sending Adam Cole in Timbuktu. You no man's land this week. He's coming up like the monster from the deep lagoon jess hovering during up over from Baylor Shoulder. And you got fim valor. WHO's looked like nothing but a bad ass since he's returned an xt he's he's laid out Adam Cole? He's beaten Matt Riddle. He's taken Johnny Gargano Out of commission. Altogether what can stop in Ballard. And and then here's Keith Lee rising from the depths over Finn Ballard. If you guys haven't seen that Gif go ahead and look it up because it was another great one and and it's another one that I'm going to have to add to my folder because I'm going to be able to send it to people for all occasions fantastic. Keithly is a a superstar and I stand by what I said. If anybody was made over survivor series weekend it was keithly. And you will mark mark my words and you will watch the rise of this man going into two thousand twenty. He is going to be the superstar to watch. I think that right now. It's everything's timing right now as we enter into twenty twenty. Keith Lee is the guy to to keep your eye on clearly. The wwe was very successful in their survivor series. So I believe that the whole point of survivor series was number one to facilitate A. He'll turn for a atom for Seth rollins number two to make Roman Raines look like a million bucks because that's kind of the point of every pay per view and number three to alert people to the best show the the. WWe Is putting out right now which also happens to be the show at the least number of is on it. They did the very smart thing of taking. The show with the least number breath is on it and highlighting it putting the most light on it throughout that weekend in front of as many as they could and it worked. I mean you know. The ratings came out late for last week's Wednesday night and xt versus aws matchup and the ratings were up for an xt and they slaughtered a w you last week this week. We're basically even Stevens again. Awa made up everything they lost and and you know clearly. I think that you know we. They W view is a fluke that their ratings were as low as they were last week and probably has a lot to do with Thanksgiving but to me. The bigger point is the fact that I believe was very very effective in two ways number one. They were effective with the survivor series. In terms of getting is on the product and number two if you watch an X. T. now and this was something that I was observing as as I was watching the show this week they are really starting to find a groove for what a live two hour. Annex T television Asian show looks like feels like and moves like the pacing of the show. The feeling of this show. I absolutely love this week's episode. I absolutely love last week's episode and I think that is really finding a groove as to what that show is going to look like and I think the long term T. is going to be even better than people realize it. I think it's one of these shows that you now turn on and it's it's becoming undeniable very very quickly. And that's when he needs to be you know and see making stars but that's what they're doing they're making stars. I mean in terms of think about it you know the raw and smackdown have superstars. That are big enough. If you go to target if you go to Walmart you go wherever you can find a toy of this person on the shelves too big deal you can find an AJ styles you can find a Roman reigns. You can find a seth rollins you can find Braun strowman annexed. He has that infant Ballard. But that's it you know yes. The other guys are getting action figures. But I'm not getting into the specifics of action figure collecting. There are other podcasts. For that I've I've heard what I'm talking about is major major stars for Annex T. They're tasked with the With the with the task of making them and they're doing it but what they need to become you know as big as they possibly can. It's just to be a show that's undeniable if you turn that show on there's no point that you're gonna sit there and be like this is dumb this hoagie. This is whatever you're going to sit there and go you know. I may not know the guys that are on. TV right now or the ladies that are on TV right now but is it really good show. I think I'm GONNA keep watching. That would annexed he needs to be and that's what it's really evolving into more so than ever. Before in my personal and humble opinion they're also loading up the next two weeks leading into Christmas. I think all the wrestling shows are going to be doing that. You know everybody's talking about the eighteenth as the cutoff because you know Wednesday after the eighteenth is Christmas Day so you got to believe that. There's not gonNA be as many people watching wrestling on Christmas night. Although you never know I mean annex t if I were an x t I would put together a massive show for Christmas to just a great Christmas special. Because we've Christmas. I mean after all the toys have been opened wind after dinner has been had and ham has been cooked. What are you GonNa do sit around you turn on an xt? So I think they should put on on something great for Christmas. But it's just a weird time because the twenty fifth and then the first so new year's Day which again is a little wonky one so I think everything everything is leading up to the week before Christmas And when you look at annex t next week they have I think Angel Garza Versus Leo Rosh for the cruiserweight title which is GonNa be a barn burner. And then you've got a triple threat number one contender match between CIAMPA Keith. Keith Lee and Enfin Valor I with the winner going on to take on Adam Adam Cole on the eighteenth you'll also see on the eighteenth rea- Ripley versus Shane of Basil for the NFC Women's championship so the show on the eighteenth is going to be similar to what the show was when they premiered at two hours on the fourth of October it's going to be close to a takeover in my opinion it's going to be a a just a bring the house down. Show the eighteenth and I think that that's great. You know the better and then they can afford to do that because realistically they don't have a takeover royal rumble weekend the twenty fifth or the twenty four th whatever over that Saturday is their leading up to war. The world's I think is what it's called where it's going to be annexed versus antics to UK? And I think Chris Chris Hero is such a great representative to get that thing going. I loved the idea of him being the greatest British wrestler in the world because it makes him a bad guy over in England win but it makes them a bad guy in the states for two separate reasons in England. It's because stolen valor. He's not British in America. It's because we have loyalty to annex t here in the states and he's representing the UK. So you know I think it works on all cylinders plus we know. I'm sorry not Chris. Hero Cassius Ono. We know him well enough that he can get excited you know. I think that there's a lot you can do with war of the worlds. Where do where does Pete? Dunne's loyalty light Ria Ripley you know. She's not British Reddish but she was the UK annex t UK champion for periods of time. So you know where to those loyalties lie. Goes back to the Kevin's raw question from survivor series. So I think that'll it'll be a good show And then the next takeover isn't till February. But all that's to say they can do a TV show. That's basically you know seventy five percent of a takeover over show that just a a a barn burner of show and not take anything away from future takeovers because of the way everything's paste in terms was that triple threat match. I really hope keithly wins. And I don't think you'll win the title on the eighteenth but I think that it would to help to see keithly in a match with Adam Cole for people to really just go over the next hump and make him again. We use that word undeniable. Niable make him undeniably a main inventor in the title picture. I think if keithly has a match with Adam Cole and he gets screwed rude or it's highly highly competitive and he loses but only by an end you know there's there's many ways you could tell that story and save keithly and at that point and now you're looking because you know if you said the next takeover is Adam Cole versus to Moscow CIAMPA. Incredible if you said it's ankole versus Ballard incredible. I think that with a match a title match one title match between Keithly and Adam Cole. You put keithly on that same level. And and that's why I think they should do in annex t for the show on the eighteenth speaking of talent interesting announcement And even more interesting the way it's been announced. It was announced on backstage that John Morrison is officially returning to WWe he's re-signed with wwe. Me and there were a lot of people that don't like that backstage is being used to make announce this is the same thing with CNN. PUNK punk came back to you backstage. People said well this kills you know whatever hype. There was for a punk return because when called the personality plays in an arena It's not going to be nearly as exciting anymore. I think that's Malarkey to borrow a quote from mean Joe Biden. I think that's total BS. I think that if called a personality he played in any arena in the world right now and see punk walked out people would lose their minds. But there's the other thing if he kinda sucks on backstage any hasn't and I have no reason to think that he will but let's argument's sake that he's kind of lame on backstage that would spoil his return potentially but you'd have to be really really lame despoilers punk return you know. I think if it's he's already like if you look at betting odds for the royal rumble and I don't think he'll return at the royal rumble. But but if you look at betting odds for the Royal Rumble. I think he's the number two favorite right now to win the whole thing and he's not even technically signed to wwe But John Morrison is getting the same treatment from a lot of people that they wish that it would have been a scenario. John Morrison John Morrison's theme music just plays he's and he's shocked the world with a return. I kind of disagree with that too. I don't mind we know anyway like we all have have the Internet. It's very rare that somebody resigns and those rumors aren't out there. You know every time it will be will. John Morrison has cancelled his dates with impact act wrestling and with this independent promotion. And he's taking his stuff off pro wrestling teas. And there's all these little things that happen every single time where it's like really it's not a surprise it's pretty rare that when somebody for instance debuts at a takeover whether it's you know in the crowd or whether even Adam Cole doing that run in at the Barclay Center a few years back when he debuted in Annex T. He was heavily rumored to BE GOING TO ANNEX T. It's extreme extreme when AJ styles debuted on the main roster. Exactly how you wanted him to debut. It was a huge moment. But it was heavily rumored only almo- like ninety percent confirmed that he was going to. WWe right so. I don't think that this takes away that much. I think that if even though we know he signed if there is still a surprise unannounced appearance from John Morrison on wwe show. I think you'll get a similar if not identical reaction to if it wasn't announced on backstage you know there have been no discussions as to which brand is going to be on. There's been no discussions as to. What exactly is going to be doing or I mean public discussions? I'm sure there've been private discussions. Just sign a guy and then go. We'll figure it out in a couple of weeks. I will wait till after the holidays. What I do think is odd is that apparently I saw on twitter? They're putting them on the bump. Which is the Wednesday morning show on the? WWe The network which feels oddly competitive. There's a weird competition I feel like going on between the bump back stage the core grave. Show podcast after the bell. I feel like the Corey Graves. Show bump and backstage are all looking to report the scoops before the dirt sheets get them. They're all looking to be that like unfiltered opinion from. WWe people and they're all good and they're all super talented people on them but it's almost like they're all trying to get look. I guess there are people making money out there. I I scoop in everybody w might as well get that money for themselves. Go ahead get that bag. Get that bag. Go for it but I do wonder if corey graves is sitting there like trying to scoop Kayla Braxton or you know the producers at Fox are trying to see what the bump gets you know. All I found out that on Wednesday the bump is going to have an interview with John Morrison in Studio. We gotta get him in here on Tuesday and it's like I don't know I liked the idea of there being competition within the wwe wwe like it's all going towards the same goal. But I don't know maybe. Coup Corey Graves is sitting there trying to be like okay Morrison. Don't give all the scoops on the KAYLA. Braxton bump show wait until corey graves after the battle. Show give the scoops there. Look at the end of today. We all know. All the scoops are gonNA come from one day. The last professional broadcaster hack wrestling journalist. Scoops Roberts right here on not Sam wrassling Thursday nights and Thursday. But there's still a competition out there for scoops so it is weird to me that John Morrison is GonNa be in studio sitting in on the bump because now now you're talking about not just reporting. He's coming back with a full sit down interview which will be good. You know I think Kayla Braxton's really good interviewer so I like the idea of finding out what he's he's been up to finding out why he decided to return to wwe. But I don't remember a time that there's been this much exposure on a talent that was signed signed before they actually debuted. There's sometimes like you see photos of them in. You know Vince. McMahon's office you see uh Reports that they're going to be you know debuting reports that they've signed or whatever it is but it's rare that somebody's like Yep I'm coming back to wwe. And and I'M GONNA announce it on this show and I'm GonNa do an interview on that show and then at some point we'll figure out where I'm going I mean I'll be tuned in because I'm curious about what's going on with John Morrison couple of things I hope for John Morrison Number One. I would like to see him on smackdown back down. I think I'd like to see him on smackdown you know. I think that there's a lot of pressure on raw for somebody to step up and be that main good guy. I don't WanNa see on T.. Because I feel like he's to establish you know You know I think that Jon Morrison is established Davos enough that in order to maintain his sort of cachet he would have to go straight to the main event. Seen in annex t the main events seems getting very crowded. And I wouldn't WanNa see CIAMPA orphan baylor or keithly or Johnny Gargano or even Matt Riddle. Step back for John Morris person but I think they would have to. So that's why. I hope he doesn't go to annex T on raw with Seth rollins going through this. He'll turn there is sort of this. Figure it out process in finding out who's going to be the top good guy on raw because now you've got AJ styles and Seth rollins Andrew McIntyre and brock listener. All is bad guys. Kevin Owens is probably the top hop good guy on raw right now. Ramos Stereo is up there. They put the title on him. You know I guess I guess Randy Orton his turn. He's a good guy. I think that I think that they gotta turn drew McIntyre and make him a good guy and Kevin owns and drew McIntyre be the good guy faces of those news shows. I think it would be the best possibility I mean. How great would it be if they could tell a story? That leads to a drew McIntyre brock listener match at Wrestlemania. You talk about doing right by by drew McIntyre I think that would be my pick for raw But that's why he goes to smackdown because on smackdown like you're not going to be bigger than Roman reigns. You know you're not going to be bigger than Daniel. You don't have to be bigger than Roman reigns. You don't have to be bigger than Daniel. Brian you don't have to be bigger than the fiend like there are you. Can you can fit nicely in the lower upper card up her mid card. Hard range and kind of rebuild that following to the point where when you do end up in the main event it's because the fans of Twenty nineteen twenty twenty. Want to see you there not because okay. It's a guy returning and he's got credibility so we're GONNA put them right to the main event and that's a tough place to sink or swim from to go right to the top. Because where do you go from there you know. I WANNA see John Morris in a position where he's got a place to go you know the the starts with with his credibility intact but he has room to grow and I think the smackdown is that place where you'd have room to grow. Also I really enjoy smackdown. I think it's a very good show and I think that they would use John Morrison. Well you know I think annexed he has to my favorite show but smackdown is becoming coming a close second. And maybe it's just because it's fried in a good mood and I'm not exhausted from waking up early but I really have been enjoying smack down a couple of things I don't like you know I don't need people running around in dog log outfits need. ABM sounds over Roman reigns his song. But there's been a lot of good things you know everything with the fiend has been good everything with Daniel Bryan. It has been good. The stuff last week Roman reigns with good. I'm actually the stuff I liked the stuff last week. The Roman reigns so much and I know I'm Michelle like honestly I tweeted out. Yesterday annexed is great and I got people saying like oh you sold out ma'am. Yeah because you're right because anybody that says annex t is is really good clearly is in the pocket like it's undeniable. How good annexed is and to me? That Roman reigns segment. Last week was what I WANNA see how to Roman reigns every week. It's actually making me. Look forward to the match with Dolph Ziglar. You know the fact that. He's so angry that bobby rude tried to cave his skull in literally commit manslaughter attempted manslaughter that he had a tip. That whole heavy table over on them. It's making me excited to see what he's going to do to all sigler this week I also think did they should sign Jon. Morrison's wife Taya Valkyrie. I think she's great I think she's got her look is incredible. It's unlike anything the WWE has right now. I think she's very very skilled as a performer. You Know I. I don't even think she needs to come in as John. Morrison second or as John Morrison's wife but while we're talking to the Morrison family. Why not you know what I mean? I think that that his his wife could be a huge asset to wwe. And I think that you know I would add her. Probably the next women's division. I think it could be really interesting to see matches between her and Shane obeys. Ler hearn. Rea- Ripley her and you know maybe when teagan knocks finally returns to see what she does with me Yelm you know. See what she desperately Coda Kai. I think she'd be really good next to you but I think that she'd be good smackdown as well. Hey y'all you know sometimes when your brain is so preoccupied preoccupied with wrestling you forget to satisfy the ones that you love most. I'm talking about your partner or partners out there. I'm talking about physically. I'm talking about arousal. I'm talking about getting your brain off wrestling for two seconds. So you can put in a colloquial way. Get it up okay sometimes times. 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I liked having seth rollins on And I liked that. They talked about the fact that he was getting booed. I wish they'd gone on a step further. I wish number one rollins that just a little bit more attitude as this sort of new incarnation of Seth rollins develops and I wish. And I won't say who it could have been scoops scoops Roberts. I wish there had been somebody there to kind of hold. Hold sets feet to the Coles kind of you know take the guy wants to burn it down and put his feet to the fire you you know I was like I don't know why you know everybody's got this attitude. I'm the same guy leg. I was like Aitken as I was watching that to say we. You come across as inauthentic on television. That's why they're doing you because you come across authentic on television and I think people would love to have to watch that interaction. I backstage. That's the award anything doing on RAW. Aw If seth is going to sit there and say. I don't know what everybody's problem is. Have somebody there to say. Here's what everybody's problem. Is You know what I mean. I would've loved to see that because I think it puts seth rounds into this position where you can defend himself a lot better. You know what I mean and maybe do something that it turns people around on him as far as Ragas. I I really am enjoying. What's going on with Seth rollins? You know the nice slow potential turn and just dealing with reality dealing with the reality of the situation. That's in front of us. I really enjoying it a lot. I I also I like that. They're taking this new cotton crop of guys and bring back enhancement talent so. WWe tried something years ago and they still get criticized for this as if they were trying to create main eventers but in like one thousand nine hundred five and if you go back years back on this podcast and you can every episode. There's you know you can't all the Thursday nights Thursday shows three hundred podcast. You can go back and listen to all of them but years ago. I had alex the Pug Porto on this podcast and you. Maybe you remember Alex the Pug Porto. Maybe you don't you Google in ninety five. WWe announced a whole new talent initiative. It was alex the Pug Porto it was salvatore sincere way it was T. L. Hopper and of course You know outside Porta was Alex. Patel was -til hopper played by dirty the white boy Tony Anthony. I think This is all for memory. By the way Freddie Joe Floyd played by Tracy smothers of course Who else that was? When who came out played by Jim the Anvil Night Heart I think I said one more in there but they announced this. Oh Salvatore sincere of course played by Tom Brandy. They had this crop of talent debut and what they did was they took their old model and it was basically. WWe superstars the syndicated show show. That show was primarily squash matches with enhancement talent. And what they did was. They decided they wanted to give the enhancement talent personalities analogies so that maybe the matches just had a little bit more of a state to it. So when you know when Razor Ramon came amount and beat Freddie Joe Floyd it was a little better than raise Ramon coming out and beating the anonymous black tights man and that makes sense to me. It was executed so well because the characters were also ridiculous. They were a little bit too memorable and they didn't really get any offense and they still work like like enhancement talent basically. So they're really. I mean looked at as part of the kind of Isaac Sanctum re Bowman Silliness era of. WWe I think that they're doing a version of that. Now with some talent on raw specifically this week Eric Young appearances our Tony Niece last week. It was also Matt Hardy where you're bringing these people in who maybe don't have a ton of story going on right now and maybe. WWe Just doesn't see at the moment somebody who they're going to put in the main of a pay per view but have a name have a look have done stuff in wwe before and can and put on really great matches. I mean Eric Young and Andrey had a great match this week on raw. But at the end of the day it's enhancement talent at the end of the day is our Tony's and Eric Young we're all uses enhancement talent. Same Thing Matt. Hardy was used for last week. I like this version. You know I think enhancement talent matches are really good I think did it helps demonstrate talent. I I think that Alastair Black can only do so much asking people to knock on his door. We Gin and week out. I think he's got to have matches on. TV TV. But maybe you want to save something for a pay per view. Maybe you want to save some matches to be big matches. So how do we get him wrestling on. TV and get people excited enhancement. The talent matches however twenty nine hundred thousand people know enhancement. Talent matches are almost tongue-in-cheek. Now we give them to the war. The Viking raiders. I'm sorry the Viking raiders because we want them to be monsters we give them to Braun strowman. We want him to be a monster. You know what I mean. So what do we do for these other guys who we want to look dominant can't but we don't want them to look like Braun. Strowman or the Viking raiders. Well we take these established guys who are not doing anything with anyway and we turn them into very skilled enhancement talent. I think it's a good role for them to occur. Hawkins was doing for a while. I think it's a good role for them if they're not doing anything. Otherwise I mean maybe not with Matt Hardy Right. I think that Matt Harvey would argue that. He's still got a lot more to offer. And you could probably win that argument fairly easily but with some of the other guys. I mean Eric Young who hasn't been on TV. You know he did a main event match. I think it was like he had like two matches all year. I think it's better that he have great matches and lose lose on raw. Then just sit around not doing anything. Same thing for the cruiserweight. Same thing TAZAWA. Same thing for Tony Niece. That's the other people on twitter. That were like why Jerry lawler burying his our. She's a bad guy like get over it burying the talent all right. Put your wrestling vocabulary book down. Just watch the show relax. But that I did like I liked on raw seth that the the progression of the he'll turn and the new the new feel for enhancement talent. I like that. That's the way I look at it anyway. Maybe it's maybe it's insulting or just not accurate accurate. But that's how I see these guys and I think it's a positive. I think it's a good thing What I didn't like was the rousseff? Lana the thing. It was terrible terrible. You know I mean Rousseff is actually starting to look good. Because he's so nuts and he just beats people up and you WANNA see rousseff kind of crazy and kicking the crap out of people like I'm fine with that but it didn't make any sense whatsoever and that's been I mean you are my rant about two weeks ago. That's the issue. With the Lana rousseff bobby Lashley storyline. It doesn't make sense you know. I don't even know what Rousseff is mad at. I like seeing mad. I guess he's mad because they're insulting him but they divorced. It's over. She gets a restraining order. Alana gets a restraining order. rousseff gets into the building anyway. So third time you broke the restraining order including star cast by the way I said. Ah on the Monday podcast. Hopefully they don't actually have the Bobby Lashley rousseff matching they didn't it star cast. I think you know at the end of the day. That's a good thing because the match should be on on paper. You've they're going to devote time to it but he he keeps breaking this restraining order that she's getting taking I they got llamas. GotTa get to the building very early in the day. She's sure she got to be the billy my one or two o'clock in the afternoon she's GonNa wake up early sure. She goes to the gym. She's in great shape then she got to go down to the court. She got file a restraining order. Then she's got a imagine you know how annoying it is to do anything they're having to do with the government whether it's going to the DMV or the post office or jury duty or filing anything with the court. Imagine going to the trouble of of getting restraining orders filed every single show multiple times. A Week I was GONNA say once a week. But she got one for star cast too so she got one on Sunday on Monday restraining orders. Every time that's a lot of work to get to Tennessee and find out that apparently the police officers officers in Tennessee. If we believe what we've seen on television the police officers in Tennessee. Do not arrest people for breaking restraining orders. Even if they're specifically asked to please follow me to this show because this person that I have a restraining order against keeps disrupting me and and not following the restraining order. I told you this is going to happen when that does happen. Not only do they not follow the restraining order but they arrest. The person who the restraining order was filed on behalf of because they're a wwe fan and he's a bad guy so now he's going into jail because they do things a little differently in Nashville Tennessee. What what are you talking about? I mean Y skip details. Why why not sit there and go like well? We see. This is what you want to happen. That's fine but why not make like rousseff come out and then Bobby Lashley shoves one of the cops and goes arrest him and the cop goes you just shove me and bobby goes no no no no no no and then they arrest bobby because he shoved him why why not and make it so that it happens before they get a chance to arrest. Rousseff I mean they were literally just standing there watching him. They weren't aren't doing anything they weren't even trying to walk through the rain. It's like why are you guys out there. Like I think as soon as Rousseff came out. Bobby should've rolled out of the ring. RUSSA's starts to go after him. Bobby pushes the COP and goes arrest him before. The copy even has a chance to arrest rousseff. Now he's arresting Bobby Lashley for assault the other cop okay. Maybe I'll take care rousseff. That's when Lana comes out smacks him now. He's got a cuff. Lana now. The cops have to walk rousseff and Lana to the back. And nobody's there. I mean Bobby Lashley inland to the back. And nobody's there to arrest Rousseff you've now got the same result but the result make sense. Why like I start at just now? Five seconds you know what I mean drives me nuts take a pirate with the steering wheel. Pants drives me nuts. He used that joke on your uncle later. I also think that a Kevin Owens face turn super interesting. What I like about the Kevin's character? Is that it like you can't trust him still but you can share for him. So when somebody like Seth rollins goes like we. You know you don't have a great record as far ars being trustworthy Imbaba. Like that's true. Then you can go. Yeah he's right. Do I really trust Kevin Owens. I don't know do I like Kevin Owens. Yeah and you know. The fact that Kevin Owens Kevin Owens uses real life very well in these storylines the fact that like. He's so public about how much he loves his family. You go on his twitter account talking about his wife and kids all the time it works when he's a bag when he was a bad guy in annex t and the reason he was a bad bad guy was because he wasn't worried about making friends he just wanted to make money for his family then all of a sudden all his tweets about his family still makes sense for the character he's playing that also translates translates to if he's a good guy 'cause he just comes across a good guy on twitter so I love and I don't know if it's Kevin Owens or the people around him but but but I would give a lot of credit Kevin's on thing. I loved that he's able to turn his reality ability and the public image that he puts out there as a person. Is Kevin Steen Person. You know we think that we know based on what we see on the internet or based based on edges song you think you know me. D Doo Doo Doo. Doo Doo Doo Doo. Doo based on that guy. I think that He adds that in to add logic to his story. which I think is really good? I think logic is always good when you can make sense of what's going on. It's amazing now. We're still in the dark a little bit about what's going to happen at TLC. I think we will probably start to have that picture painted for us on smackdown Back Down Tomorrow Night Duh would appear that we're getting a fien Daniel Bryan match. I guess Becky Lynch and Charlotte are going to end up in a women's tag title L. Match with the Buki Warriors I would imagine you're going to have your Bobby Lashley rousseff match You know who knows. Maybe John Morrison go on the bump and challenge Ramos Stereo or something like that and he will end up on who knows it could happen But a lot of things could happen. I think it will start to get some confirmation because it's a week from Sunday Monday. Got One episode of raw left to really determine what the matches are going to be which I think you know in this case. I think it's okay because we just came off of the big pay per view we got to squeeze in another pay per view before the holidays and then start ramping up towards the next giant pay per view which is royal rumble so. This is kind of a strangely placed. Pay Purview but I you know there's no really other weekend you can do it without interrupting holiday stuff And I oh I think there are enough stories going on on Ron smackdown that you can kinda get you know so roman versus Barron Russa versus Lashley the Charlotte Mbeki verses The KABUKI warriors. You know I think you could do maybe Bailey versus Lacey Evans. Maybe Dan O'Brien versus fiend You know there are. There are a bunch of matches and I think that those those will start to kind of cement themselves tomorrow on smackdown in the Monday on right I think is where you're really gonna you really going to see that stuff happen happen. And then of course next Friday is going to be the last smackdown before the paper used. That's where they're really going to have to drive home. Hey here we go and then after. The paper used that last week before for the holidays you know the pay per view I think. It's the Fifteenth Rosza Sixteenth. Or maybe. It's not yes sixteenth. And then that big annex t is on the eighteenth smackdown smackdown being on the twentieth and then we go into the holiday week so I think we're going to have a couple very exciting weeks of professional wrestling television coming up as we move forward and we'll have all the content to bring you through everything that you see. Let's get to a couple emails and stuff. You've got PD on patriotic. If you've got a Patriot dot com slash not sam wrestling You get get all the episodes that we do early. You can get them ad free. You can join our discord room and all that for the introductory level four bucks a month less than a dollar a week. Thank you get all that stuff you can also watch these shows. 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And the lack of promo from Lucia grows and pretty much everyone else is starting to show Lucia source is gonNA break out. It was very popular this week. orange Cassidy's Uber. Cool thing works. But he's yet to do more than a couple. Moves is a promenade wwl. Am I missing something. Eleven weeks Santa should be able to know the product better than this. The Andy Marks Popping data ended. I keep the brilliant work Squire and everyone else go schill From PD. I think that's a good email. I think that aws you could make similar criticisms outlook I don't talk about. Aws Much. Because because I spent all my time watching. WWE and I have a built in tremendous WWe bias. So if anything positive at eight W then everybody goes like I would say I'm from W said about eighty W and they try to make a stupid headline of it on wrestling sites and if I say anything negative at W. They say like Oh. Vince is paying for Samsung. So you know you know. There's no way that could possibly win with that However I mean I think that there are some good points there I think some some of those guys are are are moreover than you're giving them credit for you know Orange Cassidy specifically but I do think that story is King and I think that you can't just have story with your main guys that know how to cut promos? Well I think you have to have story all around and if people can't cut promos and this goes for everybody you know annex t raw smackdown if people you don't trust somebody to cut a promo of just don't think they're that good of a promo and you've got to figure out new ways to tell stories whether you're making vignettes whether you're doing it through announcers serves whether you're doing it anywhere else. I just think that wrestling mat good matches are important but at the end of the day. It's always going to be about the stories and the stories are what's GonNa and get somebody you know if you tell somebody all there. Was this great match on T.. Last night you gotta see it. You're going to get wrestling fan too in tune in if you tell somebody. Oh you gotta see Keith. Lee Throw this guy across a room. That's more of a story thing on a wrestling thing. Everybody wants keithly throwing them call across the room. Everybody wants to you. See what Keith Lee is doing. Not just in the ring but leading up to it. Does that make sense. I think so but I'm the one that said it Let's go to due to an email that I got over here at not sam wrestling at gmail.com. All your questions. Comments concerns to not sam wrestling feeling edgy. Mail DOT COM. What are your thoughts? People that say the only reason W is because of the main roster superstars being on the show when aws top stars are ex WWe or new new Japan wrestlers. Thank you for the great content. That is from Kenny Omega. 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Keep Sounding: Thomas Davis Retirement Special

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Keep Sounding: Thomas Davis Retirement Special

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Because two of the biggest panthers icons in their franchise's history have chosen to retire as panther after both of them subsequently left to go to other teams after a very very long tenure with the team. thomas davis and greg olsen so on. Today's episode. We're going to discuss the history of thomas davis some of our own personal experiences favorite memories etc etc but man what a hell of a career guys like towards acl. Three times retired nine seasons later. That's just incredible. It's technically nine years to. But i when i wrote the piece for cat scratch reader about it. I intentionally use the word seasons. Because i didn't want somebody to be like well. It's been ten years 'cause it was two thousand eleven when it happened. And i just put nine seasons because it's been nine seasons but No matter what word you wanna use for it it is inhumanely unimaginable. That someone could do that by. It's crazy to think that a decade ago we were talking about. Whether or not thomas davis could ever play again because he tore his acl for the third time. Yeah i mean. There are a lot of players who tear their acl once and they're never the same again. Yeah i mean and he didn't he didn't just play like an end up being a special team guy for a couple of years. He was a fricken pro bowl. Or all pro leads. The team in tackles that kinda guy for a decade after the third one. It's insane when it's i. It's hard to put it into words that the the guts that it takes to be able to come back from something like that and have a borderline hall of fame career. I'll know i'm sure a lot of people have like. I've never had anything series by the amount of like frustration and dedication. Thanks like back to like when you sustain any sort of injury Like the surgery. Only fixes like the fact that ligament is missing. Whatever but the fact that you have to like actually the the hard part is rehabbing which is getting your strength back and all that stuff and it's not fun like it kind of hurts but more importantly it's really frustrating. Because things that you expecting to be able to do our hard and You know the. I think the first time you do. It isn't the isn't awful. Because it's it's a challenge right like you. Oh i need to regain this need to get back to our was before and it's like you can see as especially for someone who's a professional athlete that is kind of wired to be competitive that there's some challenge but when you get to the very end of that you're ready to go and you come to camp and it was like the second day of camp and you tear it in. It takes a lot of mental and then again the third time later afford to dislike. Start over from square one when you have absolutely nothing to show for. How much work you put in the previous time in the previous times really. Yeah i mean he was twenty eight. He was twenty six the first time he did at twenty seven the second time and twenty eight the third time. So that's the the so-called beginning of his time and he is marred by injury. And like i mentioned a minute ago and alluding to what you just said. I'm not rehab in my knee three times. Like i'm i'm built different than thomas davis like. I'm not gonna do it after the two thousand eleven three games into the year when he did it again. That's it for me. i'm like okay. Clearly whatever god is out there is telling me. Hey you're not supposed to play football because we keep trying to tell you. And you're not listening and i would just eventually just be like you know what fine i don't. I don't wanna do this anymore. So major props to him for continuing to do it. Yeah it's it it had to be super demoralizing for him. Because i remember the. I remember the year that he tore it the first time. He was playing extremely well at that time. Like he was definitely getting into the version of thomas davis that we have come to know and love and then like he had that setback and then he just had two more horrible setbacks at it was like most players who have that many injuries in a row and our miss that many years in a row. They don't come back and it's not it's not. It may not even be their fault k. One short for example. He's been out for the last two seasons with shoulder injuries which aren't even necessarily as theoretically career impacting as tearing. Acl three times. And he didn't last for for a third season like it's major props to him to continue working hard and showing the the team that he's willing to come back and play at a high level and obviously it's also it's also part partly something you can attribute to ron rivera and the panthers for not giving up on him granted they the third time around. They brought him back and it was a relatively less risky deal for them. They could have theoretically cut bait with men not had any problems But he had just signed a major a major contract when he had his first injury. So it's like he could have just cut bait and left took the guaranteed money retired lived a long happy life. You know and instead. He fought his way back and he managed to make it to the super bowl. Shame we didn't get him that ring but no god yes if there's an nfl player there's a. There's a handful of guys in the league that they deserve a super bowl ring. And thomas davis is on that list You know there's there's a couple of panthers that are on that list. But i mean thomas davis is up there with guys. Like larry fitzgerald that just they just they fucking deserve a super bowl ring and it's a shame and a crime that we couldn't give him once. He broke his arm in the nfc championship game and in two weeks later. He's got his arm is sewed up and it looks literally like a football the way they back together. And he's got a damn like a metal rod and plate in their holden shit together and he went out there and played in the super bowl. Yup that's dedication. I remember you guys talking about like and it's got the same thing we're talking about with like the toughness in the pain tolerance in like the mental strength to To be able to catalyze overcome all that stuff and like that desire to win. I think and i think now like the panthers would be any different position his here but i do think very contagious. And very especially when it comes from a player. Thomas davis who isn't like corny about it or cheesy about it with a whole like wanna win so bad he just kinda like does it. You can tell he really cares. And he he had seven tackles. Five solo tackles for loss with a broken arm in the super bowl at. I wanna say he was thirty. Three years old could be sounds like it could be right. That would make him. A son was starting to in two thousand fifteen well depending on his. Brady's thirty one is this march. So you so. He was thirty one he had he was thirty. He was right before he turned thirty three. So yeah yeah i mean. I'm older than that. But i'm within a decade of that. And i can not see myself seven years ago doing that i i just. I couldn't do. Even if i was a fleet like i could not see myself doing it. I think that was a no go ahead. I would say the other thing. That was really impressive about. It was not necessarily just like looking at stats. Because i mean as far as linebackers go. I mean he was a good linebacker in the league if you just look at his stats. But we watched him on the field goal and step for step with luke. Keith lee one of the greatest linebackers of this generation like he was going step for step with him. They were competing like they created like one of the greatest linebacker tandems maybe ever as far as just a to linebacker group like he was going. Step for step with luke. Keith lee who was born to play this fucking football game in every sense of the word and he was going step for step with him. Like keith lee had his high football. I q stuff the things that only he could do but man davis had plenty of the same tackles for loss that he did like i remember. I remember watching that ravens. Game after keith. Lee like knocked the crap out of the ravens linebacker or running back in a thomas davis picked it up and scored. Now this is going to be a really special duo. Sure enough they were. It was insane like just exciting to watch two two players that were that fucking good playing together on the defensive front just running around like crazy and not making tackles making plays like they the two of them probably single handedly beat the saints in two thousand thirteen. Yeah one of my favorite Random thomas davis facts and eric pointed this out to us in our slack. Chat and i believe he pointed out in in the article for see. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Because i read that earlier today and have forgotten it but Thomas davis never had a pick six in his entire career. You think being a linebacker and playing as long as he did he would have lucked into one. but he didn't he only had one touchdown. It was a scoop and score fumble recovery. He didn't have as many turnovers. Generalize i think you would think he only had thirteen interceptions for his career. In eleven fumble recoveries part of it is just the nature of the position. He played Middle middle linebackers tend to be the ones that get reads and stuff and get those picks because they're playing in the middle of the field which is typically right. Where the quarterbacks aiming if they're throwing anywhere around a running back where davis was typically covering a tight end maybe a slot receiver on the outside and even sometimes on the weak side of the formation when he played week outside linebacker so he wasn't even necessarily in the throwing window to make those plays so. Yeah but you would think that like in twelve years he would have gotten a this screen like you would have picked off a bubble screen unlike the fifteen yard line and ran it back or something funny that that he never did like. I not taking anything away from him. Obviously but it's it's bizarre. He always had his signature. Was those crazy interceptions. Like more so than the the interception where he cuts on it gets the ball and can run with it. He always had those link like the one that i always remember is when he lined up as a as a defensive end in two thousand thirteen against the saints and he fucking jumped to like the sky to go intercept. That pass from drew. Brees like there aren't many linebackers in the in the game could have made that play winston like that one time too i remember specifically that he jumped up and and i think that was in two thousand fifteen if i remember right but he made a play that you don't see linebackers make so. Yeah he does. He has several of those. It's funny that you brought up the saints interception. 'cause that was the first one i thought i was like. I remember when he jumped up really high to interceptor breeze to seal Back remember the year but back when it felt like it was impossible to beat the saints. Because we just never did that. That could be here. Yes it will. There was a time in the middle where it was like. Hey sometimes they beat the saints and it's always points with a total of seventy six for the gay but it was always either thirty eight to thirty five or forty one to thirty eight days before that and then after that it was just like. Oh no we The saints they're going to average exactly five yards of play. No more no less on any play and they will score forty points. We'll just slowly lose by thousand cuts. And then thomas remember that because it was like. Oh wow we actually won for once. Yup that was one of my favorite place by him. I think that He also did that again. In against the falcons a couple times to like game clinching. Interception that was his. Thing was the game clincher. He even had that sick one against the packers where he had to dive backwards and catch it in the playoffs now. It wasn't the playoffs. It was twenty fifteen during the regular season when they were on that real of winning news aaron rodgers throw the microsoft service. Yes yeah yeah when he yeah when he had a wide receiver as we were choking the game away he threw at. Thomas davis strikes. Tom davis yeah. That was that play. That happens sometimes. You know yeah apple to the best of them. Forget that a lot of like it's of sports that high of a level it just use have to mess up net less than your opponent. 'cause everybody's everyb- everybody's good everyb- everybody on the field as a professional athlete even the worst players in the nfl like there. The college superstars by the way. This is well. i don't want to get out. There's a little bit of a tangent kind of back to the injury thing Thomas davis tearing his acl packers. I was at that game. I think because it was the same game where He was the last game of nick collins that his safety because he injured his neck johnson. Stewart's legs or something. He liked dough for stewart and basic headbutted him in in head vitamin the fire. Or something like that. Yeah jonathan stewart is not someone who you want you wanna fuck around with us lower area. Because he's just like fucking truck so yeah yeah that was Is sustaining a neck injury while attempting to tackle down the sewer. And i remember like seeing it and being like almost. This is not about tom swimmer. That he's just. He's just pretending to be hurt because he had barest for. Getting stiff armed is no. He's never going to play. Football games. like yeah yeah but In that game because as a game. Thomas david stories. Acl and i think that was kind of where my like in my development as a sports fan. Was that a player. Walking off the field does not mean. They are not hurt because thomas davis tortoiseshell and he was just like well that sucks and he just walked off. The field. Vary like no limp. And you could tell. He was frustrated but there was no by other than the emotions on his face. You cannot tell he was injured. You just like walk off with the normal gate and like right back to the locker room. It's guys bobby fine you know. He's tore his. Acl again is the only out for an calendar year. Oh thank you. Yeah that one was really shitty. That was his third one to knows the last one yes campaign. What was the second day of training camp. The second one. I remember very vividly. Because i didn't actually get to see it That was when i used to work at old navy. And i would be were usually had to work on sundays and stuff like that and the date like during the time where north were like. Nowadays i can actually like pay attention to football. And i was really excited because i think that was the year where they had. Jon beason and james anderson's still. I want to say but i was pretty excited about the heaven three of them together and i remember my phone went off and i and this is what i learned that whenever. Espn alert kits. You and it's in the off season. It's because someone got cut or someone got injured and pretty much and i read it and was like all fuck love. Thomas davis i- i- specifically like really had liked him because i played with the panthers and madden and he always had the The made the big hit the big hit. The hit sting like talk. Wasn't that great. Yeah it was the big trait where where you can hit. Stick someone he would blow the fuck up. And i was like oh man. I wanted to watch him play again. I legitimately thought when he when he tore it the second time in training camp. I thought he was done because it was like right after he had missed over half the season before and he had just come back and it was literally like the second day of camp and he did it again. And i'm i'm sitting there and i'm like there is no way he will ever play again like he. He just won't be able to come back. And i'll be damned if he didn't if approved this all wrong. I mean he was damn good from two thousand twelve to two thousand and eighteen when we let him go. I mean he was legitimately consistent top half of the league statistically and a team leader you know on and off the field all of that stuff you know for six years and the he missed most of three seasons but right after that third. Acl when he came back in two thousand twelve he missed a combined. Total of six games until he left carolina and four. Those were in one season when he i think he hurt his hamstring county. He got suspended are actually. I think that might have been what that was. Actually now that you bring that up. I completely forgot about that day. He started the game suspension. So he missed two games to injury and six years and the stupid part was the suspension was one of those where they had just updated the The banned substances list and he didn't even know that that they had done that so he was kinda been taken for a long time. It was a supplement he had been taking for years. That was legal until it wasn't anymore. Which to me is bullshit. But that's a whole different story. Also have more news for you brad. I guess he didn't two games so he missed five games suspension because he also got suspended for that helen's alma hitting davante adams. Oh but he's still you but you're right so he had to That total he in those two seasons he missed five games but they're all suspension related so he missed two games. He was two thousand twelve and wanted to hundred fourteen Since coming back from all the knee injuries jesus christ. That's insane consistency. Well we were talking about. This guy is better than the other navy brought up jobbies especially like when you juxtapose that with jon beason. Who's of a similar age. He's even a little younger. Yeah he was weighing up. Yeah and we saw like us sixty four straight years where he didn't miss a game then he tore his achilles and then he just like basically never played football officially Effectively again i know. Torn achilles is different. I mean to be fair and achilles is a little bit different. But i mean it still. I think the bears is equal to one achilles tear. Yeah but like the just the the idea of like not being able to stay healthy like it wasn't like he just kept like ago. He's out with a hamstring strain. And now he's out with a groin strain and now he's got this other nagging injury. Just 'cause i know beason suffered a lot of those nagging injuries. Because he was trying to overcompensate to not put too much on the achilles yeah you get to this point where like you know especially like the amount of physical stress it you have to go under to like be your professional athlete and then when you get hurt and you basically go down you go from like training like a professional football player to not doing anything like it's really hard especially again with a give competitive drive of these players like get back to a level of like training at two training effectively enough to be an nfl athlete and not like overdoing it too quickly. Because and then getting to the point where you're just like hurting yourself over and over again because you're not you're doing stuff you're trying to get back into things too quickly. Yeah it's i forget who we were talking to in the slash. I don't remember who brought it up but a he's just a different generation of toughness that we're not going to see in the nfl anymore. Because eric yeah because he comes from an era. Where if you don't play you're leading your team down. So it's like he definitely played through being hurt but he still did it for how many years even after that and granted. You know it's just has to do with the general wear and tear on your body. It doesn't seem like davis had a whole lot of issues that nagged him aside from the which you eventually got over but as like players. Don't come in the nfl with that kind of toughness mindset. Because usually if something happens where they might have a long term injury happened. They don't play through it and it's not their fault. It's at the culture of football has changed like nowadays that coaches. Want you to sit out. If you're hurt like they will make you sit out Sometimes in the instances with people like ron rivera they sit out for a while saying they. They'll end up playing only for them to end up on. I are at some point. But it's one of those things where it's like. He's one of those guys. We probably won't see ever again because these players bodies aren't built to withstand that kind of punishment anymore at least not in the same sense that he was just mind blowing support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room sports fans dream. Come true it's alive audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial grits. Free throw. 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My favorite absolute favorite. Thomas davis memory. There are two. I've already talked about the first. One is the super bowl where he played football on his arm. Mad respect for that. I respect anyone who is willing to do that. But number two my favorite. Thomas davis memory is when he made jimmy graham his personal tackling dummy. I mean it would be. There would be plays where they weren't even really involved in the play and he would like jimmy grams asks on fire and i've never seen someone dislike another player as much as thomas davis disliked jimmy. Graham and i loved every single second of it. Yeah it's funny. I don't even remember. Thomas davis for jimmy. Graham ever really coming out and publicly like talk. Yeah we flight. There's no. He dissed me or whatever. They just did. Not like jimmy graham. I don't know if it's because it. It was a saints panthers thing or what but he had graham he really did and i think part of it was just having to do with setting the tone because when you a player like jimmy graham like jimmy. Graham was never known to be a blocker or at least not a high end blocker physical players. I think thomas davis was just getting his head and a little bit when he was like. I'm gonna declare you on this play when you're trying to block me. You know like that was those. Were always fucking amazing. I love those the gift of him. Like i don't know if it was an interception or whatever but it will be an interception. He was technically blocking him. Yeah fucking him on the ground so good so good job. What about you. What i do i just Agree that thomas davis just openly disliking jimmy. Graham that actually saying it but just like the kind of your point of the when he the way he plays just like me and you can just tell without knowing any sort of subject because we there was nothing like behind like for anybody to imply that they didn't like each other and just watching how he was like man he just clearly has a problem with them for some reason. Do that to anybody else. That's what made it so funny. It was just like whatever reason he was the bull and jimmy. Graham was the red kate like that was just. I don't know but i loved it up. But the other one would be popping his finger back in the middle of the play and then making. Oh god i remember the nfl top one hundred thing where they talked about that and i that made me uneasy just watching it on tv and he out there is doing that shit and i'm like didn't he. Like light up the running back to after he did that. Oh yeah up. Does like an perfect form tackle easily. Let me get my fingers or ear. And then i will use all of them to wrap them up and drive them into the ground. Wasn't it marshall on that. He tackled too. I don't remember. I honestly can't remember honestly can't remember like the game that it had happened until afterwards because it's not something you can really see in real time But yeah silent. And i don't remember for whatever reason i can picture like. I know exactly like the remember. The behind the end zone camera angle and everything but it was marshawn lynch. Okay yeah so. I'm just gonna tackle like the hardest running back to tackle. Yeah i mean it's always tackle marschall allege he did it. Yeah he did it while multitasking. Against tasked yeah. Yeah that's great man. Like if i dislocated my finger on injured reserve like i'm out and yeah i dislocated fingers twice playing football. And in both instances. I was like holy fuck. My hand hurts a lot. What's going on here. And then i look at my love and be like oh look at my finger and then i got off the field and didn't do anything about it. Where like he's just like. Oh he's fucking pops back in which is not which is not a pleasant feeling by the way when someone does that so and its own thing to do that like going back to the huddle. Hey whatever hey k. One or hey luke where you put my finger back in. That's one thing but he during the goddamn play like he does it. Yeah and then and then makes the tackle. That's it's just it's insanity it's just built different. Yeah it really is My two favorites are the hit against the forty niners in twenty thirteen. When like you didn't really know. If the panthers were legit yet so they are playing the niners and obviously the niners were pretty damn good football team and he just fucking blows up the running back in the whole enforces a fumble. That was like. I think i may seem someone host that either on twitter on an article but that was like that's what you should be showing linebackers when you're trying to teach them how to form tackle because he it was a beautiful perfectly. Formed tackle settled his hips down blasted him and like running back had no chance and it was just one of those things where it was like because of the context of the moment where it was like. Carolina was proving that they were a playoff contender. Fucking beautiful. I loved it i still. I still whatever i see that hit. I just smile because it was so good. The other one for me is actually. It was a hit on marshawn lynch. I don't think it was the dislocated finger. One but he hit marshawn lynch so hard that marshawn lynch rolled up an offensive lineman and you so he just took out two people in one play. It was like. I don't think that's the same play. Yeah he i think that was also in two thousand thirteen. Maybe not but he he ran up. Marshawn lynch had a full head of steam and he put marshawn lynch on. It's fucking back which you didn't see very often like marshawn lynch typically you hit him you both stop at the at the very least and then like you drag him down you wait for the forum. Tackle no fucked. Put him down and he hit a linebacker. He hit the hit him so hard that he flew back into an offensive. Lineman rolled up. Which i don't think the offensive linemen got hurt so that was good but yeah it was just like oh shit thomas right. I love that could go on forever. I mean i could literally all day about. Thomas davis he is my favorite. Nfl player ever on on a personal note The only thing i don't like about him is where he went to college. Yeah i'm sorry but we can't all be perfect so now we can't it's true it's flawed man would be perfect yes. Thomas davis went to literally any other school. He would be perfect. The one thing. I will share just on. A personal note is Back when i was early on writing for cssr. i remember this stuff. Came out about the comeback player of the year. I think this is two thousand thirteen And they were basically like yeah. It's gonna be peyton manning and like i was fucking pissed. 'cause you know obviously had just come back from three acl tear. So i got out on my computer. And just like kinda wrote up like a a personal Retrospect on his on what i had watched as a fan of his and read that re tweeted it and it was like it was like the most shared article. I've ever written like to this day. It was the biggest one ever. It's just it was always like a per like that personal touch that like he actually went in read it and shared it with his fans was just fucking awesome like because he never does that he doesn't do self promotion or anything like that so that was just like for me like that me on the thomas davis train wherever i was like. This guy is one of my favorite players of all time just because he did. Because i'm just some random dude on the internet who was like. Thomas davis. Look at all the stuff he did. You know that's the perfect segue brian. What's that like. That's the perfect segue. For what i was going to talk about guard. His wife re tweeted something. I wrote a couple years ago as well about his charity work. And i remember that yes. That's something that we haven't talked about yet. And i feel like we would be remiss if we did not discuss that. Thomas davis is the only player in panthers history to be the walter payton man of the year personal opinions on that aside His the only You'll find out more about that in a future episode of this podcast. But he's the only one from our team to ever be walter payton man of the year and it was in two thousand and fifteen when he was he won for his defending dreams foundation. And if you want to learn more about his charity you can go to defending dreams dot org. I will read the brief summary of what it is The foundation is built on the principle and of educate empower and defend and it strives to encourage students to develop essential life and social skills. That will make them the leaders of tomorrow through education leadership development and volunteerism. The thomas davis defending dreams foundation allow students to see the potential of their dreams in action. So if you'd like to support. Thomas davis charity. You can do so at defending drains dot or he does a lot of work with the charlotte community and the youth and building towards a better and more positive america. I am glad that he was recognized for that work. I know all thirty. Two teams have a representative and all thirty. Two players do great charity work. That's not taking anything away from any of them. But thomas davis invest in one of the most important things which is the young generations behind us. That are coming up into the future and building towards a better tomorrow so i think that's something that that's to me is one of the things that that always made me like him more than other players and not to say that other players aren't worthy charitable efforts aren't worthy but It just i like seeing these players give back and i like seeing them invest in our youth and it makes me proud to be associated with a team. That thomas davis place for or played for when i see things like that. So you know kudos for for all the work. He's off the field as as well as on it. I agree. i don't have a. Thomas davis charity story to share. But he did let. His son signed the nome for walker. We'll get. I have a walker gnome story for a future episode of this show to just just a caveat on that so one thing too about that kind of charity work is that kinda invests in the kind of things that are really important for our future generations because depending on your age. Whoever's listening to this podcast you might not. You might struggle with a lot of the things that he is specifically trying to get younger people to look at things like handling their money social issues like just an overall being successful adult in this day and age and that's something where a lot of kids don't get that training like basic school doesn't cover it's There's definitely volunteer work out there and educational programs that you can attend but a lot of that stuff where it's like. It's not put directly in front of them or encourage where someone with. Thomas davis you know background in his name and everything like that and the charlotte community. That's a really really important thing. And he he's done a very good a very good thing for those people because a lot of the people who benefit from those programs are also impoverished. So it's something where it's teaching them. You know the skills that they might need to try and be successful and pull themselves out of it so i think i've always really really really appreciated what he does in that community absolutely. Yeah it's easy to root for guys that give back. Yeah especially guys who give in the sense that he did words now just donations here. And they're like he set up a whole fucking foundation and he's career gordon. Yeah he gives the most important asset and that's his time anybody can write a check will not anybody but any athlete can write a check like they can all do that but he. He actually gives his time his effort and he builds a community like. That's yes that's a step above and that's just something that you just. He's being a mentor to these people. And he's showing people around the league how they conduct themselves and how they should act how they can really impact their communities. And i'm proud of him for it. I'm glad i'm glad that he took his career and his his story of fighting through adversity. He's gonna take it and use that to teach others how to fight through adversity. Because that's it's life's not easy and then everybody can teach people how to fight the versity. It's thomas davis like it definitely is absolutely. Yeah john you got anything to add. No i think that's a pretty good place to two in. The thomas davis special. Let's yes i'm worried about now right. I think that's a good place to end. The thomas davis special episode. I agree well. Hey thanks for tuning in. Thanks for checking out. Stay tuned on cssr for thursday's coverage on the retirement of thomas davis the retirement of greg olsen. We got plenty articles coming out We've had posted a few already on. Thomas davis we'll be posting a few on greg olsen posted on doing this for years. And you still don't understand how time works time is a time is a human a flat. Fumble yeah well yeah anyway. Thanks for tuning in and on checkout our next episode. We'll be talking to you all soon. Take care safe out there. Stay healthy and we'll we'll be here.

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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #568  12/31/20

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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #568 12/31/20

"I was just thinking like oh. It's literally been a little over nine months since this all happened. So there are babies that are being born at full term that were conceived in the early stages of this pandemic. That's how long it's been going on will come everybody. Welcome to this week's edition of the still real touch show episode number five hundred sixty eight december thirty first twenty twenty. This is thankfully the last show of the year twenty twenty. This is our annual s. rt. You award show special. I am one half of the show. I am jeff in my tuxedo. Joined as always my coast my partner in crime. The one only dr trae franklin in his tuxedo as well. Dr trae here we are again and we made it to the end of twenty twenty my friend yet you say that but you know we still got a few hours left. We do. Who knows what can happen in the next few hours. The pile onto this a dumpster fire of a year but thankfully Hope springs eternal. And here's to hoping that twenty twenty one is is. I don't know how twenty twenty one could be any worse than twenty twenty like an asteroid hits and takes out half the world see. It's funny you say that we may have talked about this on the show. We we may have even talked about this off air for all. I remember but because it's been such a blur but i've had this discussion a lot of friends right like for me when i look back at worst moments in my life so i'm thirty four Nine eleven two thousand one the worst day probably of most of our lives if not all but this year i mean by far. This is the worst year that we've ever had gone through in our lives. Yeah i mean you just look. I mean everybody wants to focus on the pandemic but you go back to last january and australia's on fire and then you know we just everything going on. Lost koby loss kobe. You've all the mudslinging in the election and everything else and Impeachment process and gave all the all the the the the social justice protesting violence going on. I mean it's just been a crazy crazy. That's why united about like not Last week a what had it feels like the year went flying by. Because i'm like man. We're only like four months from from wrestlemainia like it's right around the corner. But then you and i were talking about some of the matches from january february like mad. That seems like a lifetime ago. Like it just seems like forever. It's it's this weird mix of the years flown by but because so tragic and overbearing is also feels like it was five years role in the one. See it's funny that you say that because I feel similar way so usually when we do. These shows like anything before wrestlemainia. I always have a tough time like looking back in and and remember like what happened in february march so as the years have gone on. We keep track of of notes as best. We can like what we put down as a match of the night event rating for some of these shows and it just really helps out the process to look back but for some reason in this year of all years i. I remember like a lot of things from win. You know crap it the fan on like march eleventh two thousand and twenty this year. I remember a lot. In the world of professional wrestling. From that point forward. Like i tell you matches that took place at Like cody rhodes and cutie. Marshalls a wrestling factory. When they had what was it like six weeks of awa dynamite television taped like. I can't remember some of that stuff in years past i want to be able to. I guess it's because my my brain is filled with too many memories because outside of wrestling like i don't know how you felt dr trae and work I didn't get a chance to really do anything else. Didn't go to baseball games. I didn't go away on vacation After the month of march like it just was Like wash rinse repeat basically every single day. Yeah like i i have. I have like. I tried to like how they worded it in a in the tv. Show the flash off like fixed moments in time this year. That i can distinctly remember. There are other aspects of it because the days kind of blurred. For one into the other. That i don't really remember that much. And there's been there were gaps interesting where it kind of felt like everything was saying. But then there's other moments that i was like. Wow that was really credible. Since like you. I didn't really do a whole lot of stuff outside of work. Like those fixed moments kinda stand out to me a little bit more than be in years past but it to me at the end of the day is still feels like it. The year the year. That the fact that we're coming up on the rumble in wrestlemanias. Right around the corner and you go back and you look at the rumble from from last year. You're like man. That was right. Drew mcintyre limiting brock lizard. That seems like forever ago. He talked about last week. Show like drew. Mcintyre wasn't even on our wrestlemainia cards that we predicted at and you know he limits bar listener center going madison. A rocket ship right but it just does seem like drew's only on top of the card for like a year but it just seems like it's been longer because of how long twenty twenty drag on. Yeah i remember Like for me. I keep hearing about that date. It was it was wednesday night march eleventh like crap hit the fan like donald trump is talking to the united states We have Tom hanks we got cove nineteen the nba hit. Shut down like all in the same night. I remember watching like vividly. I remember watching annexed. He was doing their show. From performance center in awa was doing a show that was like two weeks out from blood and guts and i think it was like the inner circle they may have powerbombed someone from the elite throw table The end the show for awa was in utah where the jazz had just been like two nights earlier. Yeah yeah yeah you're right. And then i remember watching it and thinking to myself because at that point. I like that nine thirty. Ten o'clock hour like stuff was hitting the fan. I'm like this could be the last time i see fans in wrestling ring for awhile. I didn't think it was gonna be as long as it was. But it certainly had that chance of of being a a rather long time and and that's pretty surreal trae. We're coming up on. Let's say what twelve weeks from now. Essentially for the most part with the exception of light dailies place in some of the capitol wrestling center we have not had a full arena of wrestling fans and a major show in almost a year. I never thought that would happen now. I was just thinking. It's literally bad a little over nine months since this all happened. So there are babies that are being born at full term that were conceived in the early stages of this pandemic. how long has been going on. So it's it's remarkable The new normal and all the code word we've thrown in over the over the past nine months and we're still not quite out of the woods yet but it's it's an amazing year Not just in life in professional wrestling as well. So it's been it's been it's been a roller coaster man's but it's got the highs the lows in everything else in between so it's why are you award show because We get to celebrate the good. The bad the ugly is. Is there anything that you you You appreciate more now about professional wrestling after year. Like we had in two thousand twenty The passion that guys have for this. Like i've always been you know we. I'm a big. I've always been a big proponent of indy wrestling in because these guys will go out there and do it for breads. Nothing you know. But seeing the guys from a w. w w somehow some way figure out ways to put on shows during all this four the fans obviously also for revenue sakes but also because just because they've loved wrestling that much in guys from impact jump out and go hop on some independent shows and you know to help out their friends who are promotion. Booker's try to make a little bit more money this year like you really have to love wrestling to be willing to keep doing it in like right now like the state tennessee shutdown wrestling again. You know i got. All these guys are like man to wrestle. Just wanna get in a ring somewhere and russell and for a lot of Wrestler's wrestling is their sanctuaries. They're safe plays their stress relief so They do it for mental health reasons. There's a lot of things you went to but just the love for the sport that guys were willing to your kind of risk you there hell During this pandemic to put on shows with the fans and you know all the precautions and sometimes lack of precautions that were in place you know at the end. It came down to performers wanting to perform for their fans for what they do. Yeah for me. I I have a whole new appreciation I you know we talked about a pretty recently here without a doubt. This podcast help helped me get through this past year and just kind of have that normal that forty to fifty two an hour long block of dr train. i talking about professional wrestling from the week and Watching wrestling like i was more inundated than ever. I don't know what this year would have been like given a quote normal schedule and how difficult it would have been to watch se an impact wrestling on a tuesday night or keeping up with. Aws dynamite annexing on wednesday night even at times When real life gets in the way so it was It was definitely sanctuary. It was something that i really enjoyed helped me get through it and the nail on the head with with these girls and guys that You know we we know. They're normal sacrifices professional wrestlers but even more so during a pandemic outbreaks. and w we. I think there was an outbreak early. On in w Pretty recently impact wrestling had their issues as well so they were literally putting their health line just to give us some sort of normal and while it may not have been normal in the beginning with empty arena shows. It became the new normal that We we talk about now and that we are accustomed to currently as we We move forward in twenty twenty one With that said dr trae now it is time to get into our s. rt. You award show special a two categories. We'll be covering here. Is the new story of the year breakout star of the year moment. The year event of the year feud of the year match the year tag team of the year female wrestler of the year male wrestler of the year wrestling promotion of the year and s rt. You wrestler of the year. Dr trae are you ready to get into These award show categories my friend. You make me dress up every year for the last nine years to do this. Jam so Last week you made me listen to my own voice. Naggar making me dress up in a tuxedo for this. So yeah man. Let's let's and i feel like watching that subway commercial. Rebel check Rips off the guy. Sleeves i kinda wanna do that now. I don't want to strip opera sleeves and twenty twenty country-style style this thing outright so we can get this show on the road all right. Let's get to it to our very first category here on the two thousand and twenty s. rt workshop special. It is the news story of the year. Dr trae which new story reigns supreme over them all when we look back at the year that was in the world of professional wrestling. Dr trae i start with you. What was your pick for the twenty twenty news story of the year. I think this one's going to be basically. We're gonna agree on this. You know the impact that covid nineteen has had on the world of professional wrestling It's it's something that you'll wrestling's never dealt with. I mean i really think pro. Wrestling wasn't on the level in nineteen twenty four. When the spanish flu hits that it is now is not seen on a global scale by large entities like it was it was still territorial and got a you know sporadic throughout the country so watching these companies adapt And and do it in their different approaches on how they would handle it. You look you know. Basically new japan ring shut down like we really they just now getting shows back up and going here in the last couple of months for about know good five six months of this they were just shut down and then you look at you know how impacts handled it and how. Aew handle to how wwe handled changes and adjustments. They had to make not just to the product they were putting on. Tv but the presentation of the products they were putting on tv with the pandemic. You don't have the thunderdome you know. Without the pandemic eighty running out davies. Plays and having other wrestlers in the crowd which they also influences the show itself. Because it's easier to kind of do run ins and jumping spots if the rest are right around the ray and then you impact had to kind of go into focus. It's you wrestling shows kind of different areas. Because they didn't do any kind of crowd at all so they start doing more of the comedy stuff in the thinking outside the box stuff and you know try to get different ways of finding the is on the product and you know maybe without the pandemic. we don't get this new crossover with impacting. Aew as well so Covid nineteen has really changed how wrestling perceives itself in presents itself. Gift for me My new story of the year. Just like dr trays. The covid nineteen pandemic Pandemics impact on professional wrestling You know and you look at the history of like news stories that we've covered here now doctrine. We did this during the five hundred episode. Like basically did a ten year. It was the ten th anniversary episode earlier this year of like. What was the number one news story. I think this is the number one news story that we've ever covered here on the show. I cannot. I encourage people to go back and download those shows because you're like do it from super showdown like literally like i think. Without a doubt the lowest point i've ever been on in the show super showdown then two three weeks later. Dr train i are sitting here talking about real life stuff because there was a lot of fear of that time. And they're still fear out there obviously then the isolation of okay. How is this going to affect wrestling like this. Could put independent restaurant of business. This could put a w. and h. And maybe even w we had a business like people lost their jobs and it was a tough time. I mean those march april shows on this podcast were were difficult and i think we kind of found a groove and in a kind of got normal shortly and maybe june july time and then things started a pick up as we watch a lot of these pay per views and the normal that we saw on. Our television was normal to us. Now when it wasn't in the beginning so it is with added doubt the new story of the year the cove nineteen pandemics impact on professional wrestling. And i guess. Dr trae the only thing i hope is that This is not the same news story. Twenty twenty one either. Yeah i'm hoping we can get back to Is impact wrestling going out of business or something like something like that that we typically cover insert the year which which cable channel. Hose them back. You know it's at least now not that access your but then again. i mean. They're still rumors that tony kahn. Might by impact on boy and then what channel impact ended up on. You know like that. I just i kinda wanna get out of you. Know the real life drama and the fact that this thing is carried on for so long. Use your news through the year lasts. Maybe three months four was worth nine months with this one i really hope it doesn't dominate the headlines next year. Because i i'm looking. I'm really looking forward to seeing where we start getting the crowd back. How the integration of the changes that we've made for pandemic wrestling then now mixes with bringing back live crowds like that will be a really interesting mixes the other player like how. How will the thunder don't change We crowds in keep certain aspects of it or is it. Just go back to the way. It was pre covid. That's gonna be really nursing. The i mean a month from today is literally the royal rumble. And there's there's rumblings all pun intended. That fans may be there at tropicana field so we'll have to keep up on that and then also some of the points. Dr mentioning will be discussed on next week shows. We preview the world of professional wrestling for twenty twenty one on january the seventh so check that out on next week show. Because i'm sure we're going to get More in-depth on some of those cova nineteen discussions in the impact on wrestling next year as well Dr our next category here. This is always a tough one. It is the breakout star of the year when we look back at the world of professional wrestling in twenty twenty which superstar or wrestler stood out above the rest and broke through the glass ceiling in a position that they were not to begin the year. Twenty twenty dr troy. I will kick it off here since you went. I the last time for the news story of the year. My twenty twenty breakout star of the year. He was on t and now is mostly featured on monday night raw and that is the former. Nfc champion and north american champion. The one and only keith lee keith. lee closed out. Twenty nineteen on an extreme high where he was at the end of the survivor series. Match with roman reigns he face to face with rock lesser during the royal rumble match. That fans were just eating up and for unfortunately a very brief period of time. He was dominating. Annex t as dual champion defeated. Adam cole to win the nfc championship and winning the north american championship in late january over. Johnny gargano Keith lee to me had a break out year and i expect big things for him Starting in twenty twenty one as well. So dr troy might twenty twenty breakout star of the year is undeniable keithly a fantastic pick And if it hadn't been for how his run has gone in a saying this. Because i am not discredit. Because he's got to work with every top star on raw. It just kind of feels like since he came to raw he's kind of the site picked The buddy he's not really into featured roles yet I like the pick and that was probably my number. Two or number. Three selection. So for me i i i'm going with nj from. Aws might maxwell jacob freeman. He start off the year in a really good position. But you know the the match with moxley challenge title having the long run with really no no singles defeats up until the moxie match coming out of it. The stuff now is going through with jericho circle you go back to the dinner date with jericho which may be some of the most fantastic television. I have ever seen this. Like little snarky rivalry with sammy guevara. Like i think he's really endeared himself and put him in position to be that top he'll You know going forward at eight. I like this one of those things we talked about. Aws and you had to build your building. Blocks foundation blocks make young stars. You've got to carry the company when some of the older guys kind of take that step back and i think they've done that with mgm and you know he's actually help elevate. Wardlow helped elevate other juggle boy jack. Perry like he's helped elevate guys while he's being elevated himself and you don't really get into feature storylines with chris jericho in the inner circle. Unless they know you're ready for prime time and To be j. f. Has all the makings of being that next. Gotta chris jericho type guy or roddy piper type guy for the next ten to fifteen years is a w keeps us up so m j f and he was my breakout star of the year. Yeah that's a very strong pick and like jeff was number two on my list as well where we basically flip-flop our choices are breakout star of the year. You know i look at these. Two names keith. lee j. f. And i think these two guys could very well even in the year. Two thousand twenty one but Whether it be for half a decade and for the entire decade. I think there's a very good chance at some point both keith lee and jaffer world champions of their respective promotions yeah and. I think it's going to be sooner than later. I think this is not going to be a five six year thing. This is going to be a one to two year thing. I i fully expect to be in the mix of the world title. You know by not coming wrestlemainia but the following wrestlemainia. The j will be in the picture. He's already been in the picture But i think he's gonna be a much more viable threat. Once this inner circle storyline kind of takes us direction. All right folks. Let's get to our next category. Here is the moment of the year when you look back at twenty twenty. Which moment made you stand out of your seat. Pull your hair with exciting emotion or maybe even distress or one. That just completely made your jaw drop all things that make the world of professional wrestling so much fun. Dr trae lettuce. Let's start with you here. What was your twenty twenty. Pick for moment of the year like we talked about it because show because of the way the the world has gone their colleagues fixed moments in my mind. If i'm like. Hey what stood out to be in wrestling this year. They're you know four or five fixing moments and it was. It was kinda hard to pick for a little while. I really sat down and thought about my. You know there's only been one moment this year were i got choked up emotionally and you go all the way back to january in the royal rumble and it was edges returned to the rake like when you heard the music hits and you saw him come out like that entertain in me because i was probably hedge broke in the ears. I got a little emotional. A little choked up like this is one of my favorite restaurants of all time. We all know the story of you having to retire young because the neck injury seeing how hard he had worked to come back getting the clearance to comeback and then just not only the reaction of the fans For him in in in houston. I believe with for the for the rubble this year but seeing the emotion on his face as well. And there's just those moments in time where you wrestling fandom in real life emotion kind of mix into one beautiful little blend and you get the goosebumps and hit a little choked up but at the same time you're sharing like a crazy person and for me that was that was edges. Returned the rebels as by moment of the year this year. Yet you know it's funny To look at this category My moment of the year for twenty twenty as well as edge turning at the royal rumble Is like thinking about okay. What would be like the number two moment of the year. And i was trying to wrack my brain brain about. And i was like i guess maybe the bone yard match from wrestlemainia when completely got caught me off guard. But there's a massive gap in between there. I mean you hit on the head doctor. Try i mean there was watching My jaw dropped. I remember vividly watching it. Live and being like whoa what they still. What's cool about this entire thing. Is that there. Were rumblings about this back in the summer. Previous like when he did the spot with elias at summerslam two thousand and nineteen that he may be returning to the ring. He kept showing off. Shoot an often. And you'd hear intermittently you would hear like stories. That edge was coming back but you weren't necessarily to shore But there's no point you're like all these to return at the royal rumble. When he came out. I mean that pop and that's why i miss i to believe i never thought i would say this but i'm missing a live wrestling fan crowd like that was insane and the emotions that those people had In the arena. Tonight i always think of this one guy like grabbing his head and look it up to the sky and putting his hands up like thank saying thank you to ever. He believes in like that to me spoke volumes. That's one of those moments. Where you just kind of immerse yourself in professional wrestling dr trae and you let the moment dictate how you feel even though you know. This is a choreographed. Sports entertainment Gina that we all know in love. That's one of those things where they're a little bit more personal element because you never thought you would see this day. Come and you know the road that has been on in his entire career and the same emotions that he felt resonated through the television screen and resonated to all of us and rape back from our homes and in that arena to edge himself as. Well i mean what an amazing moment notre you know. I mentioned the impact that covid nineteen had on professional wrestling being one of those new stories. Maybe the best news story of the year for me. When i look at moments of the year i feel like the edge. Return is Maybe a step below the hardy's return wrestlemainia thirty three because that was another wild moment and that could just simply because it was like eighty. Three thousand people losing their minds. I was thinking about going mad between a the hardy's attorney wrestlemainia editor wrestlemainia which to me was more impactful and and to me. Maybe it's tainted because matt hardy left. Wbz for aid of you in the. He's never really had been a good little run the beginning of the return but after the kind of fell apart. You know the impact of seeing edge. I think it was more because you know the early retirement and everything else. That happened after that and i think to me i still put the edges return. I think emotionally higher but yet the different crowd size was was notable but still like just the reaction in that in that building. When edge came out. I still one of those moments that you're never gonna forget incredible moment moment of the year from dr train. I edges return at the royal rumble. Two thousand and twenty and now it is time for our event of the year which wrestling show. Our hearts made us want to rewatch it again and enjoy everything that was going on on our television screens whether it be Eight eight wwe impact wrestling. Nfc it what wrestling show made us enjoy all things that is professional wrestling Dr trae i will kick it off here and for me. I went back to our event. Ratings and i gave this event a sex it was the event rating. I gave The entire year and it took place back on february sixteenth in portland oregon and it was. Nfc takeover portland and show featured a phenomenal match. Were keith lee Retaining north american champion over. Dominik dijakovic dakota kyw defeating teague in streetfight fin ballard defeating. Johnny car- gano rhea ripley retain the nfc women's championship over bianca. Belair the browser way. It's matt riddle. And pete done to feed him the atmosphere era. Bobby fish colorado For the nfc tag team. Championship and adam cole. Retain the nfc champ over to moscow champa. After johnny gargano turned on him and That was my event of the year. It was the highest rated show that i had Second to the royal rumble was my second highest favorite show but Going back to the beginning of the year when when you look at the way that like wrestling worked for a little bit and and you can see it. In the way that the event rating went for for both dr train i There were really high moments in the early part of the year the royal rumble and xy takeover portland and it went like crashing down to earth a little bit during that money in the bank extreme rules era and then it picked itself back up shortly after. I wanna say all in and clash of champions from me was one of our favorite Post or during pandemic shows that we had enjoyed thus far. But for me dr turning my favorite show the year was annexed takeover portland a. What say you. What was your event of the year. Twenty twenty well like you come into my event ratings yet i had. Xt portland high on my list but My highest rated show that year was wb royal rumble. Back in january I think we've been doing this show for a very long time. And some were almost great memorable and some have been not so much i to me this still in my mind is the best actual rumble match. I've ever seen like the way it was put together where you have brock. Lessner running through. I think was thirteen guys or before ricochet came out and kind of you know clogged up a little bit for the drew mcintyre to make his entrance. And then you get the low blow for ricochet leading the clayborn kick on listener and what the end the reaction of the crowd to lessner. Getting eliminated is one of the biggest pops. I've ever heard during a royal rumble match like it was just incredible and then to see. Come down to the mcintyre range. You know the i who was fired and then rehired by wbz versus yo arguably the the golden boy of wwe and mcintyre getting. The victory is your plus. I mean the rest of the show. I mean this craziest. Jeff like i go back to that. Roman reigns vs king corbin. By like that seems like four years ago it seems forever ago but that was a fun match becky oscar. Because oscar was the only chink in becky's armor you know during her run In the becca hitting the winner that was that was a fantastic match as well. I mean there was some great matches. But i don't remember a high of a match being as big as back in tires. Victory in the rebel. This year yen can win. Can you recall that. A rumble match made somebody a star I think pretty recent rumble matches. That people really enjoyed was the one that shinsegei knock on more one but that never really panned out You know months later as well as we all thought was going to and this was kind of the rumble wanted to see from nakimora. Couple years back when he won the royal rumble match and we got it with drew mcintyre and it literally made him into a star made them into a baby face a amazing pops like the edge. Pop was phenomenal. As we've already covered but drew mcintyre claim more kicking brock lesser out of the royal rumble match was an insane shocking pop. And they got a right right at the end of the day. Dr trae like my second favorite show. The year was royal rumble like at the end of the day. They got it right with an entire match. That match was was pretty flawless. Yeah i mean it was designed to up wrestlemainia like we all day. They wanted to set up mcintyre against leser. So what you do is you have listener. Pierrepont stir and basically just eliminate guys left and rights. Establish it and you know the guy that you want to win win. The whole thing is the one that limits lesser but even those moments in that match leading up to it where you have the interaction between keith lee and brock listener you see like a big old boy you know just those those little moments a one off the one i want. Resonator versus random guys was great because it's dallas listener as the beast scared of anybody and then you get mcintyre getting the win and you know when you look at how this year is gone. I don't know of anybody else on that. Roster could've carried. W w the way. They have drew mcintyre. Has i think they picked the right guy at the right time to really for lodging point and and they didn't even know they were going to need. You mcintyre the way they end up needing. I think it was the oath. Just a fantastic choice for him. So that that pop when he eliminates listeners. Is you know right up there. Maybe the second second or third biggest pop of the year In in wrestling well there's not many from fortunately can can pop the sting pop from dailies place all twelve people freaking out all right now. It's time to get. You are year here on the s. Rt you two thousand and twenty awards show special which feud in the world of professional wrestling Made us enjoy the sport a hell of a lot more What rivalry took us to places that we never thought we would see in professional wrestling. Dr trae i start with you. What was your feud of the year for twenty twenty. This was kind of tricky. I've kind of gone back and forth on a few Like seth in ray in that being really good and i didn't know if it'd be good Bo i came down with overall enjoyment of the feud and it's one of the guys i've already mentioned. It's edge and randy orton. I really love that. Feud i hate that. It ended early because of injury. But you go back to. You know what happened right out the night after the royal rumble with randy laying taking edge out. You look at randy taken out. Beth phoenix edge. Coming back in those promos guys were cutting back and forth ranch hugging about edges kids. You know all that stuff like that stuff was so good leading into quote unquote the greatest wrestling match of all time which was really fantastic match. But maybe the worst tagline for anything since great balls of fire Like that was a great match and it. It really cuts talked on the heart strings. Because it's a few that has history because of their longevity company but still the same time it felt freshens edges returning. I don't know there's there's been a better villain in wrestling this year. Then randy orton But like a step that that rivalry kinda helped him. Elevate his game for the rest of the year Because i mean he had all your law with edge. Then drew mcintyre than you're currently the phoenix. It's been fantastic because of randy but early on those those promos. We'd edge in in radio. You like watching those two matches. I was cringing every time edge. Took a bump towards the back of his neck like just made it feel more real because you knew the history so to me that was my. That's my feud of the year. I loved it. Yeah i'm right there with you. So for the third year in a row. Dr trey and i have selected the same feud of the year in two thousand eighteen. We both selected to moscow champion. Johnny gargano for mexi last year was adam cole. And johnny gargano for maxime. This year is edge and randy or and it was hard to find a feud that was as equal to edge randy orton. I think you. You found a very close feuding in seth rollins and raymond stereo even though some some cringe moments at times with with people's eyes This viewed got very personal. Got very real. It had moments. That shocked. Fans from the arcade to beth phoenix the sex the segment the night after royal rumble. With edge orton wear looked like Edge randy orton head Ended edges career again It was the perfect feud to reintroduce to fans may never seen him wrestle or fans that may have forgotten. How damn good he was and on the other side of it. It made wrestling fans appreciate randy or and so much more like. There's there's just a handful of guys editor very strong. Twenty twenty and one of those people is is randy orton and where he falls on the list of male wrestler and s. rt wrestler of the year will be decided on Momentarily here between dr train. I definitely in my opinion in that discussion. And it's because of this viewed. Dr trae feet of the year also was edge and randy or in It was I don't know if it was a classic feud but it was definitely v best viewed from this past year. Yeah like. I say it was hard for me to find another few. They've had that pure emotion involved with it in a lot of his. They're playing off edges injury. We we all get that as an drives by me. Ironically enough You know the seth in race up with. I mean i think maybe if it wasn't for the the eyeball popping out incidents. Maybe it might have been able to hire. Because i kind of dampened a little bit but you look at all the stuff with you. How long feud ran. How personally guides the evolvement of not only race on dominik but raise daughters. It makes it was. It got close but at the end of the day for just pure enjoyment and emotional and rawness i. It was edging. Randy orton one. Amazing feud between these two guys Few the from both doctrine. I edge and randy orton from uh monday night raw over in on. Wb and now it is time to hand out our match of the year This is going to be a tough one. What was the best match from the world of professional wrestling in twenty twenty a personally speaking out to try i went back and forth between these two matches and It is a tough one to call it. This may have been one of the toughest matches call match the years to call ever in the entire history of doing the s. Rta award show for me. It came down to two matches. It came down to kenny omega and hangman page. Chicken on the young bucks for may w revolution for the awa tag team championship which some may regard as one of the greatest if not the greatest tag team match of all time at any undertaker versus aj in a bone yard match from wrestlemania. Thirty six and when it came down to my choice for the best match of the year i thought of what match took me out of The viewing seat. That i was in and put me in a place that made me really immersed into what was taking place on the television screen and while some may argue that this doesn't really fit the criteria of a match. I think it does and it is the undertaker versus aj styles in a bone yard mattress resume. Thirty six That period of time was very tough period of time it was the beginning of the pandemic. We had lost wrestlemainia that we know and love and it was in an empty arena. Data and i were joking around. About what exactly bone yard matches and i am going into being like that. The idea was that they would have to find dinosaur bones and then build a dinosaur and it'd be an an entire Competition throughout wrestlemainia. Then they closed out night one and it took like the twitter verse social media wrestling fan by storm. I mean people i wanted to give. I want to be of both. These matches a standing ovation. Dr trade but this match especially because when it when the undertaker rid off into the sunset i was like that's it. There's nothing more you could do with him. And essentially as it stands right now here on december thirty first two thousand twenty There is nothing more to do with him because he has quote unquote retired. But we know how that goes in professional wrestling. So for me dr trae. It was v. Best cinematic match in professional wrestling history and to me. It was the twenty twenty match the year the entertainer taken on. Aj styles in a bone yard match from wrestlemania thirty six. Yeah this one. I was really interested to hear your pick on. Because i knew it would come down to those two matches for you and i was waiting to see if you're go on pure wrestling you ability in the ring Or enjoyment factor because to me. That was the differentiating line for me. Which i loved the omega bucks match but when it came down to pure just losing yourself in the moments in liberals would you had like zero expectations of what it was gonna be because we had no idea what is going to be. Aj solid match was still incredible. Like i think. I've gone back and washed at least half a dozen times since resume just because i want to make sure i caught everything because just like in a movie. You want to see if they're leaving any easter eggs in there. Is there something else in there. He does something else going on that you know they might have thrown is a subtle is a subtlety to it. And then you go back and you're like may have you almost. Forget the game anderson. That was their last appearance in. Wwe was that match and then you know was aj going to be on television after he got buried. You got buried alive in how those holding was gonna play on the scene of taker. Writing off with metallica. Playing in the background. You're like man. This is if he doesn't come back. This is the perfect send-off so you have all these emotions involved in and you know this was what we wanted from. The promoter taker for his last match. We wanted that moment where the the man is. Go out on top and right away. Although we didn't get to have him in a ring in front of a live audience to do it. The twitter verse was his live. Audience and twitter and social media erupted with just basically social media standing ovation for that match so This might be the first time in a while. We've agreed of ear but my badge the year is there's the match with aj an undertaker. We did agree. On last year's match which was a classic. Johnny gargano adam cole for mannix takeover new york but This one i think was a surprise. Because i like you. I didn't know which way you were going to go. And i think it came down to those two matches. But i think we both summed it up in in in similar context. That like one worm. When it was over you wanted to give it a standing ovation because it was just incredible. It really liked blew your mind and for years. We've been waiting for a perfect way to save goodbye to the undertaker a perfect way for the particular to say farewell and that was the perfect way to talk to try. I don't. I don't think i don't know about you. But i i think if it was an actual entering match with taker. Aj it's still been a great match. But i think we're takers age and everything else like. It may not have lived up to what we wanted. That the the cinematic version With the ability to kind of you know. I do some editing. Do some cuts But even if you look at it from the from the aspect of a short film like it was a beautiful short film. Ed a beautiful wrestling match off for the tanker. Yeah could not agree more. It was Very poetic very fitting as dr train. I'm select the undertaker versus. Aj styles from in the bone yard match from wrestle mania. Thirty six all right. Dr trae now. It is time to hand out our tag team of the year award which tag team in. All of professional wrestling was v. Tag team in the year twenty twenty. Let's start with you. Dr troy when you look back at this past year. Which tag team was the best in all of professional wrestling in this awful year known as twenty twenty. It's a wild thing to of look at it. Because i'm like okay there's been basically to standouts in. Wwe there's been a couple of standouts in aws over the course of the year You know there's a lot of good tag teams but it didn't feel like that a whole lot wanted to jump up to the great category this year. There's it's like just a few And i might be different for you like to me. It came down to two teams. Came down to the street profits Just because of their longevity of their run but at the end of the day i went outside of the quote unquote big to My team of the year is from impact wrestling with even and josh alexander. The north is my tag team of the year Just the this tag team of these guys Coming together Layton or in mid twenty nineteen and how long of a run they had an impact. And you look at the list of teams. They took on and beat. I mean going back to l. x. Before they laughed. And you know all the way through and it elevated their stature in the company i mean pages kind of middling along And so josh alexander. When they came together it just it was the perfect mix of you know it was almost that perfect. Mix of the funny guy in the serious guy and you're the consummate pro wrestler versus the consummate entertainer. It was nice perfect blend and they have just been one of the most entertaining things An impact of watch made their their in ring stuff is phenomenal. Their promos are phenomenal Even the stuff. They're doing now z. Close out with ethan page doing karate man and you know with your argue with josh. About how the how. The work is just been a great run for them in twenty twenty and although like that mentioned the street profits. Run everything else to me. Just the north is that classic technical acting that you love to watch and just have a great match with really putting the ring with so either. Pay josh alexander. The north might hike team of the year for twenty twenty. I mean that's extremely solid. Pick and i think like for the first time in a long time dot traffic when you look at tag teams as a whole in professional wrestling like this is a very healthy division right now when you say i would say i would say it's healthy but i don't know i don't know if anybody really step up to the next level like maybe the north in the street profits makeup baby become a renewed as always been there but there's a lot of great depth at any point while he's tag teams can actually gonna break out of the mix. Yeah it's It's it's a good year. It's a good year for tag team wrestling. And it's funny because when you look at these picks that we're having right now like you're picking your one and then you're number two is my number one in vice versa My number one my tag team. The year is three profits from raw and smackdown w we They had an incredible year. I mean you look at the way that they were booked the way that they were carried through the entire time. These guys were just completely top. Notch throughout the entire Year i mean. They did not lose the raw tag team championship. They switched the titles at one point which i thought was very weak way to do it but nonetheless and they're still are raining smackdown tag team champions so they've nearly been tag team champions for an entire year and on the other side of it. Dr terry mentioning north very solid tag team has passed year New day had a good year. Ms morrison had a good year. A young talks had a good year. Revival fdr tr whatever. You wanna call them now. They had a good year a hangman. Page and kenny omega had a good year when they were attacked team But for me. Dr trae prophets i. I think there are some Like we could be a very big golden age of tag team wrestling. In general and all of the prussian wrestling i think angelo dawkins and montez ford could become are on the verge of potentially being a very classic tag team as the years. Go on here. I'm huge fans of the street profits. I went with street profits. You went with the north Those were our tag team of the year. Picks and now dr troy. It is time to hand out our female wrestler of the year which female star was v star in all of professional wrestling this past year in recent memory we had selected charlotte. Flare alexa bliss. Becky lynch actually dr train. I have selected the same winter year in and year out since we started handing this award out in two thousand sixteen so in two thousand sixteen. It was charlotte flare two thousand seventeen alexa bliss twenty eighteen and thousand nineteen becky lynch and now it's time to see if that tradition continues on here in twenty I will go first. Dr trae my female wrestler of the year held the smackdown women's championship for over a year. at one point the summer was named the summer of bailey and sasha banks This summer this year to me was dominated by bailey and even she closes out the year no longer than title picture still involved in some big matches defeating bianca or not too long ago on smackdown I don't think that there was a women star as good as bailey was this year. Dr trashy she really elevated a game. My female wrestler of the year was bailey from the smackdown brand lomas. Who is your number two number two. I mean that's a tough one Probably and things like. There's a big gap and i to me. My people is your number two like i to me. I i love bailey. Sasha did or summer but when i look at the totality of the year like from royal rumble on Osco was at the top of the card. And this is something that we've been wanting rosca says she came up for st. We wanted her to be featured more. We wanted to be in the spotlight more. You go back to january with the kabuki warriors her match with becky at the rumble becky announcing her pregnancy. Right after money in the bank which which osco one And in that actually becoming the with his talent and how you know those early days of the pandemic the oscar promos were the most entertaining thing on raw and she kinda carried the raw brand in the early stages of this pandemic and then you go through the rest of the year and and the stuff that she heard the matches she was when she was feud with sasha and and bailey and all this other than all the way through the end of the year where no now she's oscar to belts with the tag team titles had the raw women's. Jv ship offer consistency over the entirety of the year. I oscar the female wrestler of the year this year. Wow so it's the very first time. Dr trae that You and i have different Choices here in the female wrestling. I don't think. I thought there was a wide gap between an oscar but I think that's a very solid pick as well. I thought. I don't think you could go wrong with either. Bailing oscar being the female wrestler of the year. so dr trae goes oscar. I go bailey and now it is time for our male wrestler of the year As we handed out here on the s rt award shell Back in two thousand sixteen dr train. I am twenty seventeen doctrine. I both at aj styles in two thousand eighteen. I had kenny omega doctor. Tread to moscow champa and last year. We both had adam cole will. Our trend of having similar picks continue here as we hand out our twenty twenty male wrestler of the year Dr trae is start with you my friend. What is your who is your twenty twenty male wrestler of the year this. This is kind of like what we talked about it with baileigh late there a lot of good candidates for the year. But i think they're to me. There was a clear gap between number one and everybody else and Like we mentioned earlier you go back to the royal rumble. Go back to wrestlemainia to me. There was nobody better for the entirety of the year than the former scottish psychopath now. Scottish warrior with the giant oversized sword. Which i actually still eight By the way but drew mcintyre carry this company from january all the way through december. I mean there is nobody better. Nobody was better featured Be ascension that he had from you know the rumble all now like into the rump. Like heading into the rumble. Everybody was at afterthought and now he's featured in everything www He may be the quintessential golden boy. They want We still look at roman reigns for that spot but His personality came through this year. His wrestling ability came through this year. You know he's has some great. Feuds helped elevate other guys around him in those spots Just a fantastic year. Everything from you want that you want in your world chevy to be This year was was drew mcintyre. Yeah i mean this is going to continue on here. are trend of picking similar male. Rest of the years. It's it's drew mcintyre for me I think i don't know how you feel about this. But i did feel like randy orton and a very strong year as well. I felt like randy aren't would probably be. Would you say number. Two on this list by dramatic i had. I had moxley number two. Wow just for just for. I mean he basically carried a e w for an entire year. But randy orton. John moxie relate to you be like it was kind of splitting hairs between those two if randy orton closed out this year as world champion do you think that would have changed your pec. No because i still think setting a man on fire. Two years pretty spectacular as well But if randy had if if we were able to get that third match With randy and edge that might have done it But i don't but that also put edge in the running for wrestler of the year because i think he was fantastic as well so But i don't know if randy has the personality to kind of carry a company during dark days like this pandemic has produced drew mcintyre did. Yeah i mean. Drew mcintyre had an incredible year. And you were mentioning before. And i was gonna say something and then we. We kept going. But i felt like drew. Mcintyre wanted that responsibility this year to carry the company through this like you just it resonated off the television i felt like yeah i think once he got like the early days of pay. Don't forget like he got stuck in the uk for a little bit meetings wrestlemainia. So i think once he kinda saw words was going and knowing he was going to get the ball handed to them. I think he wanted that like you said. I think he wanted that responsibility. Let me take care of it. Put it all of my shoulders. I can handle. This is what i've been waiting. Nineteen years for basically. So i like i said i think he was the right guy at the right time. Unbeknownst what the time would need. So i think he was his the right place right time forever. He's been a fantastic world champion because not only does he do all the entering stuff but the out of the ring stuff to ease stepped into that john cena role of doing the maker a wish stuff and doing the commercials at doing the interviews stuff. He stepped into that role. You want your baby face world champion to be. Yeah he He's a leader. And you could tell a leader and I i'm a believer in what triple h said A couple months ago. That that reigns mcintyre may be the next awesome rock few. Dr try i if romans stays in that role that he's in right now. Andrew stays in his role. It's gonna be fantastic when they finally get on. The same brand is because you know they. They know their roles so perfectly right now and we got a glimpse of it At clash of champions. How these guys know their roles in where they're supposed to be at and can play off each other so It's not rock austin. In the sense of the charisma those have. Because i think those four guys are very different people but yet at contrast of drew being the fighting heart and spirits. And you know roller being that cold calculating villain like that's exactly what you want when you think of good guy perspective If roman reigns in this current character Was the same at the start of the year would roman reigns had overtaken drew mcintyre in your opinion as male wrestler of the year Possibly but i also read the ascension factor like romans positions. How the car has its ever. Since the shield broke up. You know the drew was a guy that you go by. I think i love is emotional. Attachment to the history of drew mcintyre with getting fired bouncing around reinventing himself. Coming back having a nice little rhody got cut short by injury you know and then coming up as dolph back which i think. That's actually the role that everybody wants to be as you gotta be dolph sidekick because eventually you get a push Talk about you biggie But you know you from where he was at to where he ended up. I think is just an incredible story. and maybe that emotional attachment has pushed over the edge. Romaine if romans run have been nine months instead of five months. Yeah he'd be in the conversation all right now. It's time to get to our next category here. We actually debuted this last year and it wasn't wrestling promotion of the year back in twenty nineteen we Debuted this new category and both. Dr train is selected w. e. n. t. as our wrestling promotion of the year. So now it's time to look back at the year which wrestling promotion dominated the game that was professional wrestling For me dr train. I'll go first here. It came down to three. Three wrestlers are at wrestling promotions. I should say And next day impact wrestling in a w those are the three brands that i enjoyed the most in all of professional wrestling. And when i looked back at the year That was this was really close. I felt like i felt like impact wrestling had an extremely strong year a year. From july onwards where it was a must see show every single week and i was on the precipice of no longer watching impact wrestling any longer than they added a whole bunch of those Former stars and it got really good and now we're closing out the year with impact wrestling and a w being involved with one another but for me the ones that defined the pandemic era professional wrestling. They literally made me change their hard camera. It is all elite wrestling aid. W and this is coming from a guy that when they first launched i was Very critical of. Because i didn't want to hear about them complaining and taking shots at toyota we all the time i wanted them to win me over with their professional wrestling when their product on the television each and every week. And that's what they've done. Dr trae for me. Aws the most enjoyable wrestling promotion. This year. i enjoyed all lee wrestling a lot. And i'm very excited to see where things go heading in two thousand twenty one. It's a damn shame. The pandemic happen. Because i think a w would have been completely on fire there around the time that the pandemic actually began with a blood and guts at the end of that month and then what was was planning ahead for them where they wanted to go to the uk and so much more so They took a really bad situation with the pandemic dr trae and really define themselves through it and continue to be popular and continue to put out a pretty good product each and every week so my wrestling promotion of the year for twenty twenty was eighty. W yeah for me. It kind of came down to those three as well and you know i. I kind of looked at it as for angle of a kind of came down to overall enjoyment versus consistency. And i think he was very very consistent all year. Like i don't think they had seen tremendous highs in tremendous lo i think they were just very very solid all year long. But you know. I i kinda went into this thing wise thing about it. I was like i was. I've been very hard on a eww entire year. Because i get so much enjoyment of one episode in the next one. Oh tick me off. And then the next one to make up for it. And so i look at it from the aspect of this is a show. That's been around for short time That a lot of moving parts dealing with a pandemic How they came out of handling it and everything else at the end of the day. I tune in live to eighty w every wednesday. I can't say that about any other brand in wrestling so For that reason right there. Aws my promotion. The years well They've want us over right now. I think we were honestly critical of them and didn't bend over and get on our knees and bow down to the throne. That was awa. I think we've been very fair to them. And they've They've won us over by just being a good wrestling promotion in the year. Twenty twenty and even before that go as close out twenty nine thousand nine. I think you'll have both have been you know. More critical of them at times they have been with any of the shows like you and i when they screw up. We're hard on them. I think a lot of is because we really want them to succeed and we really want to have that other promotion kind of stand out and changed the game and in a lot of ways. This year they did. You know there's been times. I have no idea what they're doing with their show. Like i have no idea where you storylines are going. I have no idea why this guy's wrestling this guy. When they're both bad guys are why this guy guy's this guy. They're both be baby. Faces are white cut. Cody rhodes runs headfirst into a wall to buses at open for no apparent reason during a match that being said i think that makes us love it more because we're so sensitive because we're so critical of the show that makes stayed up more to us. I think that's one of the reasons why we both put it as our promotion of the year. All right dr train now it is time for the kudarat the biggest award that we hand out here each and every year on the s. rt. You award soc pestle. That is the s rt wrestler of the year which wrestler male or female or even tag team dominated the year. That was for twenty twenty a year that we will never forget a year that had its ups and downs in the world of professional wrestling. And then some dr trae. I begin with you. Who is your twenty twenty s. rt hugh wrestler of the year. I got scared for you. Say we this is how we do. Our khuda gras and i'm jeff. I'm not jumping off the top rope. I'm way to come on. Come on you could do it. Plus i'm flat-footed. It'd probably break both my shins so that would be that'd be frowned upon about places but this one like in years past like maybe have been strong to me. When i looked at the entire landscape a wrestling to be this was this is pretty easy for me and and go back to the mail. Rest of the air force like to me. This was drew. Mcintyre is year Everything was as been built around druids. Twenty twenty he stepped up he's delivered. He's been fantastic on the mike. He's been fantastic in the ring. He's been fantastic outside the ring I mean he kinda did a character change when vince decided that he needed to be a scottish warrior. Which you see about. I still don't think he's that comfortable with the sword yet But i mean the guy has done everything the cubbies asked him. He's helped elevate talat. He's helped give the talent that's mean when they bring keith lee up they start putting them next to drew in that tells the casual fans. Hey this is a good guy. This guy that drew likes a you must like him as well you know. Or they'll put him in the ring with somebody who is a village in. This is why he's avila because drew hates them. So he's been the quintessential baby-faced for wwe during a time where we really needed a good guy to look up to cheer for with everything else in the world. And i don't know if there's anybody else in wrestling this year that you can say. I have to see what to do because i need to feel good about my day. I need to feel good about my week. I didn't feel good about this month. And i think drew's delivered on all of those accounts for world wrestling entertainment so drew mcintyre is Mike performer of the year. Yeah what else is there to say. my ass. Rt reservoir as well is drew mcintyre We've we've raised this guy of times here throughout the show already Once again my. I think the way that i would some drew mcintyre is. He's a guy that saw the challenge ahead as being given the ball. As w we champion embraced. It wanted utilize time to help Wrestling fans around the world get through the pandemic and continue to get through the pandemic and he wanted to lead. Wwe through this all and it is probably the most challenging time period for any wwe champion in. History is what drew mcintyre is doing right. Now you got to applaud what the guy has done. As w we champion and his Without a doubt both. Dr trey and i are s. Rt wrestler of the year. So -gratulations drew mcintyre congratulations to all of all all of our award winners and Let's recap our s. Rt awards here are new story of the year. dr train. I both had the kobe. Nineteen pandemic pandemics impact on professional wrestling. Breakout star of the year. I had keith. Lee trade 'em j. f. Moment of the year we both had edge return and at the royal rumble event of the year the nfc takeover portland show dot trade w royal rumble. Twenty twenty few the year. We both at edge vs randy orton match the year. We both had undertaker versus aj styles and a bone yard match from wrestlemainia. Thirty six title of the year is the street profits. Doctor had the north female wrestler of the year. I had bailey. Dr trade oscar male rest of the year. We both had drew mcintyre wrestling promotion. Here we both had a w and r s rt wrestler of the year. We both had drew mcintyre to close out the show. Dr trae your thoughts years. We look back at our award show winners for the year. Two thousand twenty Despite all the Grave ravens going on around us in the world It does go show that wrestling can really shine a light. And kinda make you feel good and kind of forget all the other stuff going on and and the good and bad like you. And i have sat here for nine months and you talked about wrestling. Being are are kind of our safe places are sanctuary But we have been overly positive about recipes. I this year we've also had our ties. Remain very negative about stuff But it just goes to show that at the end of the day wrestling is our escape because it allows us to think of something other than everything else going on in a crazy world right now and Just a chance for for people to grow step up take on challenges you know not just talking about how how much drew stepped up. But you know we talked about the summer of bailey and sasha and how oskar performance year street profits of the north like all these teams all. These people stepped up and elevator. Game to try to bring a little levity into the world this year. And i think they could be should be commended. Not just we're having to wrestling but just for being great performance. Great evils to help their fans through these dark games. You know i was gonna ask you at the end of the show to like close up the year. But i think he just did it. Perfectly right there dr try. I don't think there's anything else to say. It's a year will never forget but we want to. Twenty twenty is in the books. Tomorrow is literally twenty twenty one. Maybe by the time you're listening to it. It's new year's day or a couple days removed I just want to thank everybody for this year. For all the support that you've given us here on the surreal to show Thanks to dr trae for for doing this. Show weaken week out We hope that this was something that was able to get your mind off things for a little bit because it certainly was for us in a very very tough year. You know all the plugs and sponsors we do it every single week No sense in in throwing it out. There i i think this is just time to descend our thanks to everybody for their support that they've given us and like i said for forty minutes fifty minutes over an hour when you put on this podcast each and every thursday or the days that followed. We just hope that this was an escape for all of you. Because i said before it certainly was for us We kept going and felt like that We owed it all of the listeners. To get you through this as much as it was getting us through it as well. We'll be back next week for two thousand twenty one wrestling preview in bold prediction so on the seventh of january before we say goodbye dr trae any final thoughts on two thousand twenty s we Good bye to this awful year. All i m just happy that everybody's tuned in and listen to us and communicating with us. I wanna get this the same thing. I wish i hope for more interaction from the fans. no we we. We love topics. We love emails. All that stuff more from that from twenty twenty one We just got a few more hours until this. This year ends And hopefully twenty twenty one starts off. Great we don't have any. Ab murder hornets Assault donkeys Raped bunnies i. Don't want anymore crazy. I just want to have a normal year. That has highs and lows and nothing. I don't want t rex's showing up all the sudden and madagascar trying to take over africa. Just want a nice normal twenty twenty one that we could all in the year and go at least. It wasn't twenty twenty. I raise my glass to all of you Stay safe All the best in twenty twenty one and We'll be back next week. Thank you again for all the support. Thank you guys for everything. You've done throughout the year and hang dr trey and i and we do it all again next week for another year. here on the still real touch show so until then happy new year. Stay safe for dodger. Dre franklin object back. Thank you for a a very tough twenty twenty year and all the support you gave us. Thank you for being there and giving us The the ability to keep this going. And like i said hopefully it was a way for you to escape because it certainly was for us so until until next week and until next year for dr franklin. I'm jeff pack. This is the story of the show. And fuck you twenty twenty.

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What they're doing a Dexter Lewis surprised by the Finnish and a lot of people that Timothy Thatcher as their pick. What do you think of Dexter Lewis. Getting what I think would be on the higher end of what people would have expected us a few months ago in terms of a push and TV time. I'm underwhelmed I see him as a heel I. I'm I was open mic. Okay. Let's see how this goes and and maybe they can make this work as a baby it's been. Okay. Hey. At Best I. Just put him in the match in some other way I. Guess. I wouldn't have an issue with it. I think he's at about that level or North American championship know getting a shot feels fine. But he's admitted Timothy Thatcher. The Guy who ran matt riddle from an x t to smackdown they they've been featuring in these vignettes. This seems to be getting there has been mauling only lurking in good match I. I didn't get that I really don't understand. I was looking for to Timothy Timothy Thatcher in the ladder match refusing to climb a ladder because it doesn't have anything to do with his wrestling style. And just losing out of principle. I I'll say this. I. Am higher on Dexter Lewis in you're for sure I. Like him as baby face and I like just push but. I'm not saying that he would be my pick above others. I'm just saying I don't wash this going. Oh. My God what are they thinking? This is crazy because I think he's he's an interesting character. I think he plays a part really well I got a kick on. I think it was last week show where it's just like when he like does anything semi normal the fast speed the ring it's like it's sort of like orange cassidy you're like, Whoa? Oh. Wow. Okay. He doesn't just move this kind of slow pace and what I what I'm. But I don't have a high confidence interval in terms of endorsing it as much as I'm sort. Of amused by him and I think as a baby face messing with the heads of heels being so weird and creepy and sorta like dust. You know the idea was always messing with people's heads. He's weird but he's amplifying it because it's to his advantage. I'm for that and I think he's fun and I'm not I don't think I'm not against out you know kind of outlandish or outlier personalities a wrestling show I mean that's what what makes wrestling tick is not having a bunch of with all due respect roderick strong bunch of Roderick strong and Eddie Edward Types. Honor like that. Well, I was just GonNa. Say like there was a stretch of time a ring of it's just like it was a bunch of people who the mom the MOMS could tell the difference between them. But the average person on the street would be like mistaking them like Marco Rubio mistaken black black politicians for one another. You know were just sort of interchangeable in their own in people's minds so Distinctive you know now this but my the recent I don't have a high confidence interval is one his characters really out there but number two, there's no crowd feedback and I bring him up. I in today's show because. I'm curious. How different pushes of wrestlers would be. If there were crowds responding. the moment with Debbie Allen dive in off the tunnel last night on Awa dynamite and I was like Oh. That's that's the moment moments like that I think. Crowd pop like I just that's where I. Miss It. A match going on it's like watching a baseball game or there's the home of the crowd that they add. It's like Lose myself in the moment it's like you know it'd be weird in an NHL game. When welcome to the jungle playing before the puck drop on game seven in overtime when there's a power play in not having a criminal crazy that jumps out baseball game someone at Bat. It's you know two and one count. You're not really thinking about the lack of crowd. So with wrestling a lot of the time, I'm sort of in that baseball mode. But when Darby Allen does that leap I'm in hockey overtime powerplay boat like. The crowd pop same thing for when Orange Cassidy does something against Chris Jericho I'm like not only do I miss a crop. I want to see what the crop was in with Dexter loomis. In Orange Cassidy I keep bringing up because I think he's kind of they're very different but there's similarities in in that they are so distinct in the ring salad in the way they're presented. We just don't know how over either of them would be I know for March Cassidy. Pre late March he was over with extra lummus. I saw a house show. Was that earlier this year I guess last February and he was a heel and he was creepy and it was kind of weird had weird vibe but it felt like a mid card gimmick it wasn't really going to go much further I'm curious fans would be embracing him in a big way as a baby face. Or if it would just be dead silent and they would have to abandon it, and wwe doesn't get that that haptic feedback that help steer them. So it's left to sort of us to speculate if it's good or bad or look at minute by minute ratings, and then the final thing before throaty if your thoughts on this general. Some things in wrestling can work even if it won't listen a big crowd response and so I think some wrestlers might get a chance who deserve a chance even if would not in front of a live crowd, create a lot of energy because they're intriguing to watch on television do their thing. But the push would be cancelled or adjusted if there weren't wasn't crowd he and I wonder with Dexter maybe there won't be huge crowd heat from his baby face but maybe there would be when he speeds up and hits a series of moves are making a comeback I don't either way. But without the crowd you can sort of get away with pushing someone who went to surly get a crowd response if they're sort of like Oh man this guy's creepy but I need to watch. So I don't I, don't have confidence interval on whether they should be pushing this hard. But I'm on a personal level. I enjoy his act as a baby face messing with heels and I liked that his ring seems to be evolving a bit. So anyway over to you on on any of that. I agree with pretty much new shed I am enjoying the character even though again I looked at and thought, oh, he'll, and because that's how he was introduced to. But there is some fun and him being a baby I think for me the biggest issue isn't with him as much as it is too wide you sacrifice Timothy Thatcher for this. You could've put anyone else in the matching and accomplish the same thing. Maybe there will be something storyline wise where it will make sense but that that was my bigger issue. I do know that loomis had a big drop in viewership last week for his match against killing Dan the people have pointed to, and I've been quick to point out. Killian has been defined down so much that. You know it's it's one week for one thing and also he's in there were killing Dan who just if he's in there with a wrestler certain level, you know he's going to lose and so it really was there was nothing really intriguing about it So yeah, I always on W. opposite of that too I don't remember. Yeah. That's always interesting and the other thing I want to just say stipulate kind of stipulate to this I think there's an. Over simplification of audience drop analysis out there because if you look at minute by minutes that that is important but if an audience is if you're not accounting and a quarter hour if you're looking at quarter numbers, if you're not accounting for how many commercial breaks over the quarter hour in your averaging the viewership, if there's seven minutes of commercials in one quarter and there's only a half a commercial break for two minutes in the previous quarter our. The way the viewership works on quarter hours as they average every single minute. And when it commercials on, they lose a lot of yours. So if you have seven minutes of reduce viewership and then eight minutes of normal viewership. In one quarter and you have thirty minutes normal viewership in one quarter in two minutes of reduced viewership, and you average those two quarter hours. Just as many people are watching a wrestling match when there's eight minutes content versus thirteen but the average quarter hour gets pulled way down when you average in the commercial minutes and so if that's not accounted for, you can end up with a very distorted view of who isn't isn't retaining viewers. So that's to look at minute by minutes not just quarter our numbers and second of all, you gotta look at what's on the other channel because if there's a big match on the other channel and they haven't got commercials that quarter hour. That can change drastically. The perception of whether somebody is over pursue is perceived to be over or not. and. Is this and then like you said, is who Sarah opponent so to me like just purely looking at a drop off in numbers well, I, do it. And I think it's important piece of information it should never stand alone. And I think that goes even back to the Monday night war. When there Oh this segment lost two, hundred, thousand viewers, people take it as Gospel. That that happened it's like well, no, it didn't the actual content or the same viewership, but there was a commercial. There are two commercial breaks, pull the average down and made it look a lot worse so I'm not saying that's the case with Dexter. Necessary. Excited look at the minute by minutes for that match. But I just put an asterisk next to that analysis when you hear it because I hear some people just sort of take that as face value without thinking about the new. You know. that. So. Dexter Lewis, and Brunson read in the ladder match I thought last week's Bronson read performance was eye opening for me I. I looked at differently that. I yeah. He's been very impressive when they've given an opportunity to be more than the fall guy at a match and last week I mean let's keep them in there with roddy strong and Johnny Gargano can make pretty much everybody look good but I thought he really held up as well and I thought last night the profile piece they did on him. Made me look at him differently too because he goes by the name of thick boy which is sounds about as frat boy as it can get and he's at that age were okay is he's just you know what he is he's just Basically. WOULD BE FRAT boy. No I mean the guy's married and just it was very down to earth and I mean the the character profile piece I thought was really effective. It just made me look at him differently now kind of have a better understanding of who he is. So what is what is he talking about extra but the I like the North American title being a Secondary Title I'm by the way I'm aws doing with the t anti with cody because it's So. Different. Even though I was against cody winning the champ because I thought it should be somebody like Darby or kept saving secondary somebody who would really get a boost from it but cody is doing something very different than Jon Moxley doing with his title it feels cody has feels like a TV title being defended by somebody who who has a chip on a shoulder and wants to prove to triple h and Vince McMahon and a lot of quote. The doubters on the Internet. That he can go out there and have good matches and help elevate other people and not be the typical son of a promoter x slash executive vice president who's all about himself, and so I get the kind of the machines on storyline way and in a real life way, and I'm on board of that but to me the North American title. Should be utilized to help elevate somebody who can get a boost from it who they believe in and I think that happened with Keith Lee. And I think he's better off having been North American champion. Now that he's a champion and so I liked idea so. What do you think they're setting up though in terms of the final lineup? Who would you add to that match and then are you with what you just said about Brunson read? Do you think he might be someone worth giving a bell two or you're more intrigued probably not by Dexter Loomis north-american champion and just play that out and see where it goes and then who is that WHO's another candidate who hasn't officially qualified yet that you think should be considered a top candidate Oh man you're thrown at me there, I loomis wanted okay. I wouldn't be heartbroken or anything Bronson rate. I. Think the thing that works against him. Is. He's a big man who does a lot of power moves and if they're if they keep the title on Keith Lee. Two big men doing power moves in they're both your champion I. Don't know there may be too many similarities there. So that may work against him of keithly is going to drop his title to carry on Cross Okay I could see him read. As who else belongs in that mix. I do think we'll see. I think WBZ's going overboard with this second chance last chance qualifier stuff that they do it. It's it's different now like at first, it was like, okay I thought they were GonNa do a tournament for this by doing these three qualifiers. Having you can at least a matches matter which has been the benefit of all these tournaments we've had during the pandemic is just giving a little extra meaning to some television matches. The thing that's missing though is there's no finality to this because they don't tell you until the week before that over by the way every every person you've seen eliminated is giving getting another chance. Maybe they're not doing there's been no indication doing that, but I just think we've seen. Enough of it and wwe Lali that I think the assumption is there and I think people naturally then take the end result a little less seriously like they know somebody's qualified but it doesn't mean that the losers are actually out at I. Think they need to stop that I really think it would be smart to just not just say up front it's once you're out, you're out and of a tournament these days they're not going to be a second chance match. Wore this and so I don't know if there will be I I of soon there will be I still wouldn't be surprised if Thatcher in this I wouldn't be surprised if oh, Johnny Gargano. I don't mind the idea. Of Ridge Holland I haven't seen much of him I know Donald Staffer hidden cleared was not impressed with as an But if he's got anything I, kind of do like the idea of just going younger with this and but I need to see the guy in the ring a better feel for what he brings to the table and whether he's GonNa just be lost in a ladder match, which is another possibility So yeah, I mean if it's my first. Inclination would have been like Johnny, Gargano Damian, priest those types, and actually I I rather would see a peace corps of an unknown. You could certainly put cameron grimes in there. I'd like to see Jake Atlas in there but they don't seem to do much with him. Shane strict one I think they are viewing strickland and Jake, atlases cruiserweights and I. I'd love to see what just get rid of the cruiserweight title and merge it with North American Championship. Santos Escobar is bigger than Adam Cole was as the champion I just don't. They don't do anything with tool five live. There's there's not that big of a difference. It's a rare time with Keith being a true heavyweight more up in the not your heavyweight champion and most promotions I'm outside of maybe wwe roster are cursor whites it. They're just glorified cruiserweight. So I don't really see a benefit in having this championship. I. Almost feel like it brings escobar down a little bit. Oh, that's right. He is a cruiserweight more than it helps anything but. I mean young, just the type of talent that we don't see getting kind of meaningful wins I. IF THEY WANNA make cameron grimes with this I'd be all but he needs to quit playing the just false bravado. He'll. It's a little too. There's a happiness to it. We're just he feels like passed he'll, and I'm ready for him to be a real he'll. Yeah a lot there. To tell them to a Posi- at the table introduce ourselves. We'll get back to annex. Aws Summertime Talk To. 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So what that means is I haven't talked a lot about Awa yet for other than VIP members, you've got to hear me. Do a full review of the show last night for around thirty minutes. In thoughts on everything but not VIP members download the random. Blue. Wade Keller shows haven't gotten to hear my extended thoughts on aws so we'll get to that soon. Whatever I? Want to get back to the talk. You mentioned a Damian just sort of in passing like I'm fearful that he's just GonNa win the North American title bet that loomis and read our just sort of you know there to be bodies to take the match elevate them a little bit but ultimately It's just going to be the the stepping stone when you're a small step away from becoming the champion and it feels like Damian priest is on that trajectory. Keith was and it's going to feel sorta like you're. You're the almost co champion. Whoever the whoever the next champ is North American. Champ is almost interchangeable or just a small step away and I'd be more interested to me Damien. Pre should just be fighting for the NFC championship itself given the pussies had. I think a North American run would be a boost boost from I have nothing to gain from it. It's not like Johnny, Gargano who I think has nothing to gain from it. Other than a sense of a new sense of purpose and he he's entertaining and really good in the rings would be good matches, but he's not going to be a big star because of it. So to me, I would rather have. Someone. Else become North American Chiampou hasn't been in that spot before and that's where I'm more intrigued by dextra limits or. Brunson read not against aiming priest, but it sort of feels like a more obvious pick Yeltsin much cameron grimes and I I'm. Wavering on a little bit in terms of. Invest that in him. At this point you know you mentioned the way he kind of comes across. I still can't fully put my finger on it, but it it's sort of a retro. He'll. But I don't think it's a great retro execution of a retro. He'll. It feels a little put on. It feels a little almost patronizing in the over the top way. Way It's it feels like he's. Playing to a one, thousand, nine, hundred. Seventies southern territory audience who are getting all worked up at him being over the top heel and I don't think it's necessarily in step with what the audience is and where the growth potential is I think he's really good in the ring but. I just I don't know that he's a particularly good actor in this role it feels like it's put on and he's acting and so I see him a level below being someone you would put in there with American title situation right now I think he is a. Pest to keithly. I think he's fodder. He's a guy you put out there. He in theory generates he'll eat by being so annoying and then he does a job and then he just SORTA regenerates his mid card heat in past to get or not swashbuckling on TV again. So what's your assessment after I talked a little bit about him and Damian Priest your thoughts and both of them. I. Think you nailed it with grimes and I just keep hoping that there is a flip at this guy can switch on. You know when it comes time to be more than the past he'll because they it's like they're pushing him at something more than that. Right now there we get the occasional teas that they might, and then we get a segment like we did were keithly just destroys him and so for what they're asking him to do is this past he`ll The character the PROMOS FIT it just I feel like he's capable of being more than that and I'm hoping that he has it in him and it was good as he is in the ring. I hope he has it in him as as a talker as a promo to come off like a star rather than this mid card pest he'll a southern MS almost. There's still much talent there. So I would have him I think he is at that level. If Bronson reads at that level, then camera grime certainly is so I I would I would have no problem including him in that mix and then Damian priest I'm with you I probably going before they started doing the qualified well before read one and we kind of got a feel for how this is going to be a little different. We're we'RE GONNA. We're getting some of the the guys that don't get a haven't been featured prominently with read now. Help me out who won Louis mainland has been featured, but it's fairly new to this push. I would have been okay with Prese before that and now I am Kinda like I mean he can be in there as a guy that's in the match but I really yeah I I'm hoping it's not him I'm hoping it is somebody else that that kind of fits that description of whether it's read or Lou Mr just some of the others that we've mentioned as guys that. This can make them. This is in. Like a priest wins. Okay. It's it's expected. But if one of the other guys does like Oh you really do look at them differently like how they have plans for this guy. Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts will come join me out for over in the Progress Paradise Pier Torch Vip as we BOSC on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the great matches and chose from around the world. Be It the US, Japan Europe or Mexico. 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You can imagine if there's something going on in somebody's life smaller, but nevertheless, they aired on x T. so I'm just like saying. So now we see it for what it was for sure anybody who doubts it Although. There's still people who doubted going. Oh, they're taking advantage of cold showing a new side of himself. So what do you? What do you think they're doing here like what's a? WHAT'S THE END game? I wonder if this is leading to a match between the two, just kind of a would be wannabe celebrity against call because when when I think coal is kind of in no-man's-land just lost the championship I think they're turning all or part of undisputed era baby face. Now I don't think they're gonNA, look at McAfee baby if they actually go through with this match where see Mr biggest he'll they have in the entire company because he's so damn grading an annoying and I don't care about is Georgia. cutesy. Crafty. That's just me but it's so I. If you're looking at like, okay, we're going to bring in a celebrity type because I can't really call him celebrity a celebrity type to do this match. There's a few people you would feel comfortable in annexed t going the best match out of an inexperienced. Guy. Cole is certainly on that Short list along with roddy strong and Johnny, Gargano and there's probably some others but those would be you know the the the those would be the names I would look to and so yeah, I. Do wonder if that's where this is going many could also be McAfee is going to be being somebody's corner to I i. just I I. Hope they're not overestimating the appeal of Pat McAfee I. Think they do I I already this is pushing it but it doesn't mean it can't be a compelling story I'm the and and with no fans president. I mean, I think there were bands present. The audience would completely turn on. McAfee here for cold maybe maybe up. My hatred of Pat McAfee. No, I think that's another example of. There's good and bad about booking without a crowd response. Cruises example I think Capello crews deserved more of a push. Then he got, but he just couldn't win over fans but I don't think the instant reaction of fans to somebody who's at the beginning of trying to establish themselves should be the deciding factor. Pushing I think as the pilot of the plane as wrestling promoter and booker you should you should have more confidence that you can get somebody over even if they're not instantly over. But McAfee someone who it would be just delicious to watch him get booed and coca cheered. Like in in any in any building whether you know it's at full sail or take oversight or whatever. In that'd be fun and it would be a wakeup call I am I like you. Seem to be doing something. Now with undisputed era that's different and I think they're gonNA land in a different place that kind of played out what they're doing whether that means sending them to the main roster to be a heel faction terribly undersized co faction on a roster with big wrestlers or. Split them up or sort of some somewhat somewhat them up like have rodrick strong do his own thing while the others go somewhere else. But ultimately. The. Argument for Adam Cole Is. A baby face for the young male demographic that raw is just terrib- struggling with right now and the eighteen to thirty four year old audience with a baby face Adam Cole. I. Don't know that that's going to know how to feature but. In I don't know if that's what I don't give them a chance and that's what I've been saying forever about him is no matter how excited yard how high you're on the reality is is gonNA stand next to him. I've stood next add. Adam Cole is tiny. Compared to. Just about anybody else in this business has gotten a big push. As A. Smaller than Shawn Michaels. He'd just he's smaller than Daniel Bryan and we saw him wrestling O'Brien just kind of overall so. That doesn't bother me. You know I but the reality is it's almost a disqualifier from. which is why the sooner Vince McMahon is ends up in a wheelchair the sooner a lot of other wrestlers are going to get a push because he's going to be looking up at them doubt at them I said that for twenty five years, it's not an age thing. It's just like man was shorter in a wheelchair he would different restaurants would have gotten pushes over the years I just don't. Think. He can stand next to someone and look way down at them and take them seriously, and it's a flaw because wrestling fans in the front row seating chairs are looking up at a rain. They don't know how tall someone is unless they're standing right next to them when they come to ringside. So show if you're Adam Colon you meet Vinci least should always be no no, no, please please seated. It should yes. Yes or is it yeah. or You should always stand to Caleb Braxton. So at least there's something that makes him look tall by comparison. or Joe so. So, but here's the thing they're struggling for eighteen to thirty four year old audience right now. Aws doing well in that regard, a baby faced. Adam. Cole fighting from underneath as Brash cocky super talented. Full of confidence. Cool a cool baby face against a bunch of annoying larger heels. I think is a formula we're trying right now. And I think that would be ought to be experimenting with things right now different formulas having Braun strowman you know lumber around as a sort of universal champion who's not all who's not all all that into being champion compared to experimenting and Pushing, Hard Matt Riddle and Adam Cole who hasn't been defined down. Would be the way that I would go. So. Yeah. I'm intrigued by the fact that they showed that on annexed and then kind of seeing where everything goes in you're right after. Adam coal you lose a world title I. Think it's fine to disappear for a few weeks and then come back in a different context because it is unless you're doing an immediate rematch it just kind of defines you down to me the guy who lost, but you're still you're still just hanging around. I do have to. Shoot. You consider the person involved. Adam Cole is. Famous for being a pro's pro it I mean, you can't. Hear from EVAC or Shawn Michaels without them gushing about this guy, and just how professionally is in the ring out of the ring everything you really think he's never been called short before and he's GonNa Freak out and start dropping F bombs. Come on no no, but you can imagine if let's say coal. This is case you back Scenario where like you can imagine and don't abuse mind thinking some people might bite. He lost NFC title he's off TV. This is when he pulled up to the main roster, but you could imagine you could project that somebody might be telling him. Yeah. Vincent High, and you because you're short. Paul magazine McAfee's I. Really. Great. But you're also short and it would be like out of a trigger point for coal. If you didn't know everything, you've just about holding a professional as a fan. You're like, Oh, God you're sort of halfway in between. Being really smart to everything in not or w might be aiming at those people to say, oh. Yeah. You Know Adam Cole knows that men will push because of it and that set him off because he's having a bad day because he's got nowhere to go. Now he won that title now we lost it he's off TV and he has been called up and Matt Riddle has and Matt Reynolds Taller Than Him. So I think that's what they're going for but I don't I don't know the end game and I also think again, going back to the theme of the show with extra. If, we had crowds we'd have it. It would be more fun to see. The crowd react differently than Vincent man would imagine they would. Sure. The I have no problem with them doing the angle that they did it. It's And if they can convince some casual fans along like Oh, what happened here that great I'm just saying for that person who fancies themselves savvy fan that's you know full following things very closely. If you bid on that one, you got a little work. We're about to go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks wide deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member support the weight Keller pro wrestling podcasts Tiller progressing post shows the Peterlee torch daily casts and the entire team and everything that we do and get a ton of return for your membership. By becoming a VIP member, go to Torch V.. Info Dot Com for full details, thirty plus years of Archives of podcasts. 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We got our main events for the big show's coming up for AWS T and WWe summer slammed drew McIntyre against Randy Orton setup on Monday last night keithly carrying cross when you say anywhere any place. When Keith Lisa's pick anywhere place I assume we're looking at takeover thirty and then. M Jeff with this Promo last night. Setting up a match with Jon Moxley at all out. I read Jake's report. Hurt him last night he wasn't as high as I was I thought. I liked. Last. Night but I loved Promo I love the whole all the all the VIP treatment, all the latkes he had. Giving him the hand sanitizer sticking a piece of gum in his mouth and I mean, it was just I thought that was a great use of a TV break on the split screen and I love the political season Promo in the way that he mischaracterized Moxley in such an absurd way that no one buys it because there's no truth to it. You can tell that. Con Man that MGM stands for. That moxie stands for every nothing that Jeff just accused him of, which is where the he'll. He'd comes from and I thought that delivery was great and I went from not thinking of Jeff was really ready to be taken seriously as as a world title opponent for Moxley, to being really to see this few get built up for the next month plus So I guess we'll start there and then kind of work our way through the other matches. Jason, how do you feel about MGM Promo and if they're putting jeff in the spot a little too soon and how that match it? How excited for that much compared to the other two? Yeah they it's right now it's the. On the low. Point of the totem pole between the three but. It's mostly a testament to the other two matches and feeling like there's a real sense of. There's just not the predictability that we usually get from wwe matches lately I I don't know. I don't feel strongly about I. I lean McIntyre I. Don't know because Randy Orton has been built up in a huge way and then Saint Think-i carry on cross. Intriguing I don't know which way they go and I love that this one I mean, Hey, they could go with MJ APP but I think they go with Moxley retain. and M J F even though he's been unbeaten, they haven't been showcasing him in a way that made me feel like they were grooming him for this position for this pay per view where they're all of a sudden he's starting to get some big wins over some bigger names and it kind of wish that had taken place the Promo itself. I mean the delivery is outstanding the I mean this guy can just go and go and go. It's so impressive. What he can do on the Mike I didn't really feel the insider stuff was necessary. It was kind of distracting the presidential thing. Little. Quirky. We've seen it before in wrestling, but it was well done like you said, it's the hand sanitizer and things I if you're going to have the. There was a blonde woman in the ring with him kind of playing Florida, the presidential entourage whatever the heck it would be. Maybe you know don't where the Sandal she did. look very presidential that jumped out at you and I'm just being finicky over footwear this week but it. Yeah, I think he. I want to see him go kind of like on the same week Ron I wanNA. See Him go from being. Less, pest he'll in to disguise a player and I think with those two guys on the. They will be able to sell me on this. Completely by the time we get to Labor. Day weekend it's just are they gonNA sell me as well after real threat to beat Moxley? Because of wardlow or because of well, he's he can cheat to win or because they've managed to establish jeff is as a threat on his own because this guy's good. That's the part that's missing for me right now, and I just I don't know that there's enough time to really convince me that this is a show an can beat anyone in any given night without some level of. Cheating and you know, hey, it's okay if that's the approach they take because it may be the easiest path right now because again they haven't shut him up for this in a key way where he started to beat some people, you wouldn't expect him to. Yeah. So I'm with you on on like my criticism of 'em Jeff being moved into the main event, against Moxie at all out. Wasn't because I thought there was somebody better that they had set up. He's not displacing someone who I'm like Oh, they're totally missing out on something even better because they just haven't really set anybody else up to the point where we're like out WHO's MOXIE GONNA face. If you weren't if you weren't sold on Mj, you weren't sold on anybody in AWB ready to take on Moxie like they gotta do a lot of work in the next five weeks. The. Getting Pat, coming back. So yeah in even that it's like, can you really make that that interesting I mean I packs great wrestler and he's a good medicine he'll. But I he's not. He's not a headline, my top show of the year as a healed against someone right now that's how I feel about it but. So. With Jeff, they were not presenting him as a serious. He'll and I I was critical of that and I wasn't alone like you can't have him run. You know running away and scurrying away and playing the chicken. He'll. He's gotTa be more Roddy, Piper, bad ass and. And they just weren't in that spot like I. Compare Him Jeff Gilbert in the sense that eighty Gobert depending on the territory was in the context was either the manager who was being who is managing bigger guys or being or or had. was more of a pastor, not a threat or An another context he was the guy and he was more rick more ric flair Jerry lawler than than than than the annoying. He'll who hid behind somebody bigger. and. Jeff to compare stated Gilbert a lot. In terms of you know the way being a student of the game because I'm such a student of the game and like behind the scenes just like studying this business and and. Just all in. But. Also in a really smart guy and just eat sleep sprees and thinks about it the way overdid did but he's also a little bit of an undersized. And he's got to try to find a way to make that work and he's talented enough. He can make it work in different ways and he was doing different ways. In the last few months and at times I thought he was booked in a way that made me not take him seriously as a threat to Moxley and certainly not market pay per view of the year. He'll main inventor and I think they've improved the last couple of weeks on that I think there's been a recognition of that and but whatever. GAP THERE WAS was closed enough because of that Promo last night. I thought I don't even care people take seriously that MGM can beat boxer even belongs in the ring with Moxy as bad as I just thought that Promo was. So Alpha he'll and she was so in control of the moment and in the ring and I thought the material, I'm not a big guy on insider references but. Also, know the AWS since in two thousand twenty is more savvy to that and I think you can enjoy it and I wrote this in my report on torch? Dot Com last night I. Think you could appreciate and be affected by that. Promo. On two or three levels depending on whether you know that Hulk Hogan was up seen as a political games player behind the scenes out for himself and that you know Moxley has the opposite reputation and that that is where the heat comes from with Jeff accusing Moxley of it now if you don't know that It's still worked because of the way jeff came across and the other content I. Think. If you don't know that stuff, you're also going to buy in just WANNA see Moxie beat this guy up and shut him up. So I thought it worked. One of the keys is just make sure that wore those seems more like a bodyguard from for for. Jeff then I'm jeff seems like a manager of wardlow. TASR is for for Brian Cage and so. I? Think they've gotten better about that I think they made some mistakes with Jeff scurrying away. 'cause he's so good at scaring away and running away getting a shot in running I want him to seem like he sees himself and they need to sell us on it that he's actually a physical threat in the ring and that's where Roddy. Piper was it was so effective and very protective of that because he he. Never played the chicken shit. He'll. And yet, he could have gone down that road but he didn't, and he fiercely protected himself from two jobs almost to the detriment of some top programs that he might have been an otherwise so. Yeah I just I. AM, more optimistic more you know definitely more more. More I won't say all in all in on Jeff as a guy who is the right pick for this time I don't think you should become champion yet. Think. You stay with Moxy. But but there's a lot of things you can do to to tell that story. It really hope they just turn these guys loose as they did last night with them. Jeff. On the Mike and let them really sell this but I feel one area were Awa needs to improve is building up that next person for the title shot they you know they're they they keep filtering out word that you know this is they have so many shows booked in advance and yeah, they tweak them, which is understandable but they they're doing long-term booking. So they've known they were going to do this match for awhile. Now, we're was too big built from chaff where's that been and? We and WHO's next in line? Are they building up? Anybody wants to get through this assuming Moxley wins who's next then they've been getting by they bring in Brodie? Lee and they went right to that match. It felt rushed the kind of Russian to building Brian Cage. And had that match on television and it's worked but I think you need to be I think they can just do a better job of just start in a cert grooming process. Before, even if people see it coming so let the at least they're starting to look at that person is potentially being the the next guy is going after the your world champion. We haven't really seen that I saw i. do feel like that just an area of weakness they have. Right. Now. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk. Join Me Jason, Powell Post that three in pro wrestling Boone podcast each week he'll hear the latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling along with other wrestling media members plus the pro wrestling boom cast features, long-form interviews with notable names in the pro wrestling industry subscribing. I tuned stitcher downcast and all your favorite secondary APPS or visit us directly at pw boom dot com once again, that's pw. Dot Com. Yeah and I think we you know they're the pace of their shows and the pit what are what qualifies pay per views versus just you know Specials whatever. I haven't had a problem with who they've put up because I think. There's some heels who they just before they define them down or put them in the slot that they're going to be in. They want to get the there's. A question mark above their head. How good is Brian Cage? We'll. We'll find out when he goes against Jon Moxley. And then you you slide him into a different spot once you get that quick early world title challenge out of the way that sort of the monster heel we don't know how good he is. Is He a threat? And most people don't. The vast majority didn't think Moxley was. GonNa lose. To Cage I don't have a problem with shooting him kinda shooting to the top and then moving into a different different feud after that as long as you're building up to your big. Tent Pole pay-per-view main events and I think they would argue. Well. We can critique the the fact that Jeff was being the scurrying away chicken shit he'll at times. I think they look at the win loss record, they've given mg off and the push and how they protected him. Otherwise I would say they would argue we have built up to this moment and and we've had this in mind and we just don't run quote major pay per views every month. So we don't need to always have the next guy just. In the wings. Sure I and day may also be looking at. This is the best route to go with him is the past. He'll. We can convince people that he has a shot to win because he'll cheat or lows there and all sorts of things I just hope that like you it's they start to establish that he is a threat because he can cheat. But even if he doesn't, he's a threat because he's would, and hopefully that's what they have in mind. But yeah I mean. They don't have all the pay per views and and it's the one loss record thing in the rankings I'm. I don't know how many people really paying attention I- Dade don't seem to make a fuss over them on the television show I just don't know how many people are going to the aws site to find out. It seems like the only time they get mentioned or when they're trying to justify someone getting a title shot like last night at the end of the show telling us the Derby number five contender and he's getting the title shot I. It doesn't Take Long I don't know why they won't show those on television. How many people who neither viewers actually knew that evil to Grayson. We're the undefeated number, one contenders going into that title match. The presentation of that sucked that this is a company that prides itself on its tag team wrestling, and here you have your champions facing undefeated number one contenders, and it just kind of felt like it was thrown out there in the middle of the show it didn't feel important I. Never felt like the challenges were threat to win the title. So I I I don't even know where that came from and I. decided my system. No I. Think they lean too hard on the on the on the win loss record if they're not gonNA. They shouldn't in general just see that as a L. because I. Don't know how seriously people take it. That said they're doing it. So they if they're going to do it, they should put it on the show going in and out of a commercial break every week and show you know. Here. Here's the top I. Take Him rankings top five women's Ricky's the top men's rankings. And be consistent with that. So what's on people's minds? So if the promotion takes it seriously, then I think viewers are more apt to if it's just throwing out there. I mean. They mentioned cody's win loss record at the top of his match last night they mentioned here cure cheetahs impressive win loss record at the top of her. Showing that record. Yeah. Yeah, and mentioning commentary is good to do and they should continue to do that. and. But I think there's times to mention it when it's not a major storyline too so It doesn't seem like they're just sort of selectively bringing it up when it's really important to bring up. So yeah. So but nevertheless Moxley. and. I'm looking forward to more back and forth with them. I thought Moxley. It was short to the point, but I loved his Promo last night. Just. You know. People they don't bug me. But if you're bully I'm going to stand up because what kind of what kind of person would I be if I didn't and he put it way more cool than I did because he's Jon Moxley and He's a bad ass baby face who's anti-bullying unapologetically anti-bullying and he's also not going to get in your business unless you get in his or he sees you bullying somebody else and he does it in a way where he's a role model but he's not Bob backlit goody two shoes Bob Lender. I just think he knows his character and he striking a really good tone on promos and even though the whole thing was like thirty seconds last night I thought that was one of the highlights of the show because it's your world champion who knows who he is, and it's exactly the type of world champion or lead baby face for the Times. It was really good. Does he need at some point to just kind of quickly address and move on that? May Have Been. Guilty of some bullying myself, I, mean it was three on one beat downs left and right with the shield. Is So it does come off a little strange if you know his history but I'd be or do you feel like enough time has passed? It's fine I think enough time has passed I think there is a statute of limitations and then I also think you get to wipe the slate clean a little bit when you go to know company even if you're sure you know largely presenting yourself the same way I again, this kind of comes to you know is the Discussion Different in two thousand twenty than it would be in two, thousand, fifteen or twenty ten. How much of the audience is willing to just look at somebody fresh knowing that Vincent man is in charge of how someone is presented in pushed it wasn't their thing and they just go okay this is like a new movie it's the same actor but it's a new movie it's a similar role, but it's a new script director and the there's there's some history there but. You know you can sort of without even overtly thinking a lot about it go well, he was younger and in a different circumstance, and this is a new version of him, and so I'm just taking this new version into account with mostly a clean slate and I think people are willing to do that. If the presentation is solid, let's let's talk about the other two matches Karen Cross. Challenging Keith League. I. In in a couple of months or in about that might seem like I was wrong on this. Wrong word but worried for no reason. But I'm still not sold as much as I sense other people are uncaring cross I think. I'm not saying glacier, but there was this guy named glacier who had this elaborate ring entrance all this buildup all this costume and he'd get in the ring and it was just like. Oh that's all. There is one the bell rings and like last week, his match was just like. It, was just it was just wrestle. It was like he didn't seem. There was no sir urgency. There was no innovation filling time during the commercial break with long side headlock or whatever it was and facial expression. Wise. He seems like someone who's plant kind of cameron grimes playing the role of a really big star who's really hot has all this charisma. He's got this great ring entrance, the the the music, the pageantry of at all scarlet as a sidekick, the physical body that he has looks the part. But. In the face, it's sort of like Adam Pearce growling it just doesn't I just I'm not quite there yet on I'm not saying to push him but I feel like other people are twice as enthusiastic about him as I am as a guy just shot who should be shot to the top who's just so interesting and compelling as a heel one of my jason. I think, I'm three times more excited. I really, we talked a little bit about it on Tuesday. I. Really was impressed by his running impact. I think he. He I think he likes to be involved in the creative end of his character just reading some of his interviews or listening to them and just I appreciate that there's just a different even how he got I don't even remember the specifics but how he ended up with the name on based on something from a folklore or something I can't remember again what exactly it was but. There's a lot of attention to detail when it comes to his character and I like that in the ring I've seen him. Perform really well, and impact is GonNa be takeover main of that. Worthy. Only will tell you know Keith lease a pretty damn good wrestler himself. So I'm very optimistic but it is. You know he doesn't need to prove himself in that way I don't have an issue with the facials. I think that I work for me I. Thought He. Basically, played a role version of this persona is killer cross and I never the facials didn't stand out in a negative way to me I find him to be believable I find his promo work to be solid some of I think now he I assume he's being scripted more than he wants was. That maybe some of it and maybe they to turn him a little loose when it comes to the mic work but over I I, I think the overall act is strong and I just wonder looking at this match is one of them being elevated because I don't know why. They feel the need to rush to this match. This is something that. Thank you would have kept them apart and saved it until even mania weekend or something I mean it is summer slam weekends a big weekend for them but still it does feel it sooner. I would've expert than I expected it to be but I'm not complaining because I do suspect it may be one of them. Whoever loses is a ends up moving up quickly and I wouldn't be surprised if it's keithly I mean as much as I look at him being the face of the team ran in a good choice for that role as some success already in small doses on the main roster, they clearly like him and so maybe this is their way of writing him out and carry on cross becomes the champion. Aloha torch faithful. This is Kelly wells PWG talks and x t every Thursday you can hear me and Mike Gang of idiots, Tom Style share thoughts from the live tapings and torch recap limbered as well as a rotating cast of guests. Cover the matches and events in Annex. T live on USA network search, beat torching, and apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe or listen on demand and seeing the entire pw torch daily cast schedule at. Torch daily. CAST. Dot. com. Cheers. If, you're across comes next champion is Adam Cole in stay in annex as baby face chasing cross as an undersized. Legacy guy in the NFC like who who lines up against Cross if cross, beats Lee and Lee. Is GonNa say elevated but I don't WanNA upset played move to raw smackdown. I would say to champion still sitting out there. They've already had their match and cross beat him gives champion something to come back from very strange that there you know he's put it out there he's not injured. He's making it seem like they'd creatively, they don't have anything form that one. I. Have a hard time believing that's never really been an issue with INEX- T in their top talent So what what the real story is, they're they're just giving him a little downtime to to refresh what but. What he's one for sure I, think you can certainly do something with cross and Damian Priest But Yeah Cole. I. Think. Fits in there as well. I'm trying to think if I'm forgetting anyone obvious I think die Jack He's been on TV I still think he's going to raw just seems like the the start date has been kind of pushed back, but we'll see dodger Kovac. And and Keith Lea Collins. I H has the rights to that name WWe needs to get them. It's so much digest. It's just you can hear Vince screaming at and loving it compared to dominate Niger cove. Oh, Vince a guy have a great idea. This Cova Kid. Let's just call them digest for short. For. The long. Run through legal, we'll see what comes up. Okay. Yeah I. think that Jakovic is good for the main roster. I wonder if an exte- just since Keith Lee became the centerpiece baby-faced beating out coal and Awa just pulling ahead in the ratings if that is going to play a factor at all and in whether they have a ton of confidence in in Keith Lee. On the main roster, some people are just better fit for Vincent Man Style. Ron's don't show then for an X. T. but do you do tribute anything that's happened because we talked about minute by minutes and all that one of the reasons and exceeded as well against aws did. Say Limited. Commercial Interruptions Awa Din, and that just brings up the average and they had a much better leading that propped up that first quarter hour number in a huge way like the did a ton of details on this on the way Taylor hotline detailing it. But the minute by minute if you take away the first three minutes of of American bash one or both weeks. The it completely changes the complexion of the average viewership in the difference between the two shows because. USAA just gave an xt such a big Ledin and the way Nielsen works is if the channels on it, here's it. On its microphone that Nielsen Families Authorized to listen in on what channel you're watching and it just counted them as viewers for an xt. Even though just it was people who are watching whatever law and order or something, and they didn't turn the channel yet, and so if you take away the first three minutes at average out the shows, it was a lot closer. So I throw that out there that it wasn't as big of a lead for annex t because a limited commercials and the lead and giving them this huge deceptive boost but they still won in total viewership and they haven't since it does that fall on keithly or people just not that into or as a w doing something better what to that? I know I don't think it falls on Keithly I think it falls partially on there. I mean there's plenty of reasons I think Annex T. Did better this week they need to get better with what they advertise. I mean telling US last week that we're getting I think I don't even know if they advertised triple throughout it was like the loomis and Dane match and then one other match and that's about it and it's like, okay aws really good about telling you what's on the shelf better or worse and and thisiis needs to create some buzz with their lineups that that's been lacking on more. Often than not and then I just think aws is new a w is fresh and I think that's a big part of the reason why there's a lot of people that are watching that product I may have said this on Tuesday but I'll say it again I think that they are playing to a younger audience that wants something to call their own and they don't get you don't get that opportunity and wrestling all the time, but we are right now. With aws being startup this is something that they can ill, it's not their older brothers wrestling. It's not dad's wrestling. This is something new and fresh, and they're adopting it as their own wrestling. It doesn't mean they don't have time or interest in anything else but it sure seems like that younger dental is there for them and wwe should be very worried about that. It's I think the demo talk it's a little overplayed thanks to Tony Hanna Chris Jericho but but it is very important. I mean if I'm wwe I'm looking at that and thinking about the long-term going. Man and this isn't just some fly by night thing. Yeah. This is an NFL family that owns this and has more money than Vince McMahon does and they may not want to spend it all in pro wrestling but they don't have to because I think they have a good product and They should be worried right now that you know they're cool young an x t promotion is being beaten. It's slowing the growth they w by running opposite but Awa Demo. Wise. Yeah I mean it's a this isn't just an versus next thing. This is do they become this generation's favorite wrestling overall not just you know it's not just annex T it's also raw smackdown. It's a big win for them if they can continue to cater to that younger. Younger audiences as they have so far. Yeah. I mean you you see Eddie Kingston come out and do that Promo last week and you're just like, okay you just wouldn't see something like that. WWe The the it's kind of a cool thing even if it's hit or miss, you know with cody and the open challenge and different people coming in and the obscene variety of opinions on warhorse. That kind of sticking gimmick and some things work better on the scene than they do on national cable in a more serious setting. But you get a sense watching a w that there's just a greater authenticity and cool factor. To to what they're doing that is definitely more youth oriented where Vince McMahon and in what he and Kevin Don and Bruce Pitcher put out there. There's just sort of. A. Momentous Nursia to doing things a certain way that's worked really well for them in a lot of ways, and so they're like can justify messing with it. But at what point does raindrop drop enough that they go god okay. It's time to mess with it. You know I, get a business if businesses going well, you don't mess around even if even if. A new young guy right onto college might be like Oh, if you did this and this and this business eager person gets hired and they're like stop disrupting things things are going fine. We don't want to risk it. But then when business gets low enough, you're like Oh God we've got a risk it. We've gotta shake things up and do something different I. Wonder if that point comes for Vince McMahon or if he's just raking in the dough with the TV deal as the excuse of the pandemic and. He doesn't change things up. And, it's going to be exciting if he decides to change things up. And it could be good could be bad. But you know like impact wrestling wha- publicly talk about that in a bit. They got almost nothing to lose. So we get wrestler House you I mean. They're just filling out. You know TV time on access, TV, and and. Experiencing, and they've been like that for a while because they're seeing if they can just create a buzz same that's where Matt Hardy and Broken Matt came from. It's like let's let's just experiment. We're Vincent Massey's Broken Matt and Goes Oh my God this could ruin everything that we have going for us because I don't get it is crazy So anyway, Awa. Yes. has is grounded in Tony Kahn being a superfan during the money era being a student of the game bringing different voices in from bucks in cody and Kenny. Who all kind of have different different wrestler experiences for a very different experiences and this idea of everything is fresh. Everything is everything's on the table and let's work they have an idea of who they are but they're also willing to be nimble and flexible as they go along and you just don't get that watching. WWe Slash Annex, T that's then I'm a huge fan of the honesty product like I like it a lot. But I also understand why aws doing better in the demo but. I'm not in the eighteen to thirty four demo. But I? Really. Liked both products and I appreciate the differences between them. But if I'm an exte- if I'm triple H I'm. Trying to figure out what can we do? To attract that Demo and his is the answer keithly. Is it get keithly over to the main roster and is at Adam Cole as a baby face is is, is it finding a different types of female acts to to promote? than the ones that they are is, is Roger Roger Stone now Robert Stone easy to mix those two up. Is He helping the demo or hurting the DEMO You have to evaluate if you're annex t what can we do? To be more cool but. There's a lot that I really really like about the antics product and it's kind of a tough call with me between the two shows which my favorite one of the week is most weeks. Yea for this was the first time in. A while just like inex- t was the far superior show I. I, wasn't a big fan of dynamite this week. Compared to their usual it wasn't a terrible show just by their usual standards I. thought it was subpar and I thought annex t was kind of in line with what he normally is. It wasn't an annex he was a great show just was A. A. Good. Consistent product where this week just I didn't thought aws kind of all over the place. Yeah Your Your Paul has. Fifty four percent thumbs up seventeen percent thumbs down on a w with more people giving it a great great grade than any other rating but in exte- last I looked at your poll I guess I can click on here. Did even better. And I I was in the camp of thinking that Awa was like a really I was I. thought it was really control this week. Yeah. So Sixty five percent in your poll giving an xt. Thumbs up and twenty one percent thumbs down with everyone else in the thumbs in the middle by the way with even more people ratio-wise giving a great rating. So an he wins the pros dot net poll but both were good shows I thought he w was I. was a fan of a lot of what w Donna my did this week I felt I got a sense. I was more of a fan of it than than some of the other people who I kinda look around or listen to on social media websites and podcasting but but nevertheless let's up quickly the opener was I did and then the the match click the big ten man tag and then I thought the finish was like really bad hardy interferes. So we just had ten man tag for nothing. and. I thought the main event was rushed I. I. Don't know if there was if that was by design, they've been pretty damn good about not having timing issues I mean even you know every other week is tape these days because of the pandemic but still we haven't seen them have timing issues, but it did feel to me like that made event was rushed. I thought the women's match was nothing to write home about I thought they was clunky at times and I I don't know if I'm forgetting anything and then again you know the tag match was really well done the presentation like this is a tag title Mash make me feel like it's important and they didn't. Yeah by the way what did you think of Moore's? IF THEY WANNA. Put Him on dark fine. I don't need to see warhorse on dynamite on a regular basis I don't know that. I don't feel like I really get. Like he's another heavy metal guys like Bougainville Haugen. Is that what he has and you know it's it's I. Don't WanNa Judge is based because I'm not familiar with them from outside of this. But yeah, I didn't I thought the match was fine. It was simple. They told a good story recode targeting the knee and ultimately exploiting that to get the win but Find. It happened I. Don't mind them bring in somebody that may not be ready for this position because it still interesting you know just to kind of because you don't know this person maybe they're not ready but do they relief step up and rise to the occasions? That's that's kind of fun I worry a little bit just from an empathy standpoint ricky starks loved him too high signed him. Tony Kahn that night we got him he's onboard. We love him then Eddie Kingston great performance. Don't call us we'll call you. Warhorse that was fun for a one off like I feel I feel like I'm like the parents in the crowd at the spelling bee with some of these guys who were getting their like big moment in the sun and the announcers played up to biggest match might ever have. And so I've like, it's fun. To Watch but I feel for the restaurants who are like, oh I, it's like use the data reference Johnny Carson on the tonight show when a comedian would do their act. If Johnny said, thank you. That was nice. Good job. Thumbs up. He called you over to the desk to chat for segment afterwards. ooh, you made it. You really oppressed everything. Yeah. Everything and your crews define any your heart would sink. You could see it. If you watch tonight shows stand up Comedians who go out and they perform if Johnny mccollum over, you can just see them like forced to smile but like I wasn't good enough shoot and so I get that vibe a little bit. who? Gives Polski through that in our wage. Calf. The tour matches or there'd be trial matches and I remember being backstage at an H. O.. Mid-2000s, and there was a trial trial match and So happy like just hired both guys on the spot and it's right there when he delivered the news and it was like super like, can you guys come with us from Minneapolis? Saint Paul become us with a from. Saint. Paul the Chicago tomorrow. We want to see you again. and. So One of the way. And so that was like those moments are cool and it's fun. When is good news but I feel bad like did were show up going I'm going to garner job and you have a full-time job I'm going to be the next you know TNT champion and then We'll see you back in the one that starts up again. Yeah I think they should find something for. The guys allies firstly has lot to offer I think it would benefit him to hit the gym even though it's not as big of an issue in aws I think it would help but. Even. If it's a talking real I, mean this guy everywhere everyone I've seen him. He stood out in a good way. Yup Yup. Some of pro wrestling's best podcasts are the. 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Dropped in the aws grown, it's not a plus but I don't know that you. Blame him either and close the gap a little bit last night compared with the week before a w went from eight, hundred, forty, seven, thousand, seven, hundred, seventy, three, thousand, this week and t went from six hundred, seventeen thousand up to seven hundred, seven thousand. So a gap of less than seventy thousand last night. That's A. That's way less in the prior two weeks. So a little bit of a rebound and perhaps for the reasons that we spoke about but nevertheless. Ratings. Fair or not it's worth from our chair. Imagining that Vincent Man is reading into it. Is there any chance that he's looking at your McIntyre and saying yeah, he's not. He's not lighting things on fire as champion. Let's just go with the old the old standby Randy Orton and we could actually title change. It's summertime. That's the thing that makes summer slam phone that made event I should say on is I don't know I. Think there is. There was no mystery and drew McIntyre is going to be sigler course he as and I haven't felt any real suspense even the Seth rollins match mostly because to south match happened shortly after drew one. So it was more of a timing issue. This is the first time where it's like they're actually feels like there's a mystery regarding the outcome I hope they. Don't blow by foreshadowing anything is they've been known to do but I I think McIntyre retains I wouldn't blame him for their I mean, how do you blame anyone wrestler right now and that three hour nonsense that they do on Monday lake I mean unless it's going to be somebody just plastering all over the show when you're running into the ground I I mean. Look at the main events getting like tune in to see him beat doll sigler again, only this time he gets to pick the. He gets to pick the stipulation. So it's going to be even more of a of a one-sided Matt. there's been too much of that. I don't I don't think you can blame. As, much as they need to be blamed for just not creating compelling challenges for the guy. And it is on a three hour show. Can you really you know I am not advocating for blaming McIntyre for any of this? Any of what's happening I'm just acknowledging the possibility that Vincent Man is and. Again going with back to the beginning with Dexter and crowd reactions and not knowing what the crowd reactions are for certain guys. It's gotta be tougher Vince McMahon. You can look at minute by minute ratings and you know draw your own conclusions on that and just sort of evaluated as you would try out or whatever use your own judgment but. You just don't know dramatic Derby over or not with a live audience. You know there's even ticket sales to talk about and I don't think you can look at your McIntyre's tighter reign and say WB network subs should be based on that because I mean has he been the absolute focus of a pay-per-view yet? No. I mean, think of swamp matches greatest wrestling match ever. Feel I mean he's fought Ziegler and seth. rollins. Bob Unless you it's just not. He has it's not like it's not like he has not like a secondary champion has when pushed it's just they've been gimmicky about what they've been trying to sell during this pandemic era. They've been kind of gimmicky and cinematic about what they've been pushing to the top in drew sort of the just. Kind of. Centerpiece Standard World Champion doing his thing where this kind of circus that's going on around him? It. They who aren't who are the challenges once if he does get through Orton does anyone jump out to you is like Oh this must I mean you can go back to South But I that's why I keep wondering. ARE THEY GONNA call up Damian Priest and they're gonNA call up dodger Cova Control Rustam into something are they gonNa call up carry on cross? I mean that's you know we're looking at keithly being called up it could just as easily could see bench looking at those we need them he does have good size and we can kind of rush him into something even if it's on, you know roll or snap down to wonder if if that could be what they have in mind. Yeah. Well, we don't have long to go before there can be a superstar shakeup so. I think you have to kind of look roster wide at. Any options. For. Drew McIntyre and. I. When I look at the roster is not a ton of of fresh matchups period. That job out to me but when you look at at. Raw specifically as it stands right now I mean it's Seth Horton Aj. Murphy I mean I don't know and it's just like there's not not a deep roster. So you know we talk about eight W. Setting up future champions to me. WWe Is going to have to look elsewhere. Four challengers. That make a lot of sense and that's where you know carrion crow losing to Keith Leah takeover and being quickly promoted in the main roster. I wouldn't rule that out. You know that might be why they're rushing into that spot because Vince is already calling him up because he loves his ring entrance and some people just are better fit for the main roster that then than otherwise. I think it would make sense if they either way I could see one of those guys going up I mean it's there's there's a need that right now it's through ventures own creation because he's ruining. So many people there there should be challenges lined up for drew McIntyre plenty of exciting things going on that. It's just he is terrible at his job as head of creative I it's that simple. So as far as the rest of summer slam goes Braun and Bray. The fiend against Bron I guess. The universal title it again. The caveat is they didn't expect there wasn't a long term plan for Brown to be the guy going into Romania and then he had to put the belt and I'm not sure that they're doing anything different with Brian than they might have done otherwise except there happens to be a title that he either isn't defending but are you. Intrigued by that, and where do you see the universal title being like come October? Does you have a trajectory for that? Probably around the waist of the fiend again, just in no man's Land I. I'm not into this. I'm not into Baronne not into the fiend I don't even know who you go with on smackdown. That's the brand that really needs shake up I. It's just you know they felt the need to have riddell loose to Aj age as in the secondary champion role and he's consistent. He's he's good but there's there's not much to look forward to. When you sit there and Kinda, look down the road like what matches could be. So I do think we'll get the shake up because smackdown is there Asia because it's on Fox it'll end up being the show that Vince the thanks the he's created the better roster for, and of course every it's proven every time the one he thinks better the other shows actually better. I'm rich band host of the deep dive. With Richmond, a weekly part of the PW Torch Daily Cast Lennon Pictures Search Torch and apple podcasts or your podcast subscribe every. Saturday at six PM eastern I dive in with guests for an hour and anything in the world of wrestling or wrestling related one here about the influence of historical figures. Big Kettering. We got you want to hear about how crazed marine movies got we are on it. No topic is too big or too small. So if you want to dive in this call in live or listen on demand and see the entire POW towards daily schedule at POW TOWARDS DAILY CAST DOT COM. What are you intrigued by Biggie as a singles wrestler and do you think it's necessary? Do. You think he necessarily stays baby face or room for him to go singles get a big head and they really go a different direction with them. I haven't thought about that much I. Think he's GonNa do just fine as a baby face when if they're ready to move on from new day and seeing is believing on that. But if they are IBM to it I, would look forward to seeing what they could do with biggie either I mean face work he'll and I just think it's it's time it's time to do something with this guy as a single act they had something we colty they probably still could but they decided to. Have them feed him to brock listener for no good reason and eight seconds and So now yeah. I mean, it's it's too bad. It took to injuries in order for them to get to this point, but it's it's at least something fresh and exciting, which is more than I can say about anything with new quite some time. Yeah. I worry about what who the fresh opponents for big to if he gets a big push and I wouldn't rule out him being universal champion and Oct.. Or. You know finding a way to about to him as a baby face and just go with it. But if you even if you combine the Ross the Ron smackdown roster. There's not a ton of compelling. He'll matchups Seth Randy Orton against Biggie if big east champion, it feels fresh. You know those aren't guys that you've seen in tag matches against him constantly and their top guys. I don't think with big. You can take from a feature, take t MAC, and then put them against somebody who's not perceived as a top top guy without feeling like the universal title is a secondary title and it's Albert Oh del Rio type rain where it's the opening match on a pay per view I think you have to match biggie against either brand new people or top people like ordinances. You can't just biggie say with shameless if Biggie were to win the title. I don't want forget Otis's in the mix and I could see otis coming out of summer slam. As champion and then that leads to a variety of things that leads to kind of a reshuffling and every once in a while and they don't do this very often. It's very rare and for good reason but I'm not against wwe just doing like. Five tidal changes in eight weeks of the universe title like and don't do it again for fifteen years but. Just be like, wow, what a memorable time where you create some buzz Bunch of different people get todd rains. You don't know where the where the. The hot potatoes going to stop. WHO GETS WHO's WHO's sitting in the the winning chair on the cakewalk whatever analogy you WANNA use. But when the dust settles, Biggie can be your guy but in the meantime it bounces. From a I don't think you want to waste Matt Riddles I on a one week reign but you could do some rapid fire just kind of shake things up to the shakeup, and then there's sort of a last man standing and then you end up with fresh rosters but you kind of hot shot at a little bit. And just created some buzz in the meantime for up brand of show that doesn't have much of a buzz right now. They need to do something. So. Here's like here's a scenario like. Braun. The fiend I. Well, I don't know that you want Otis getting a fluke win over over the fiend, but you could. If, you could do something quote creative that doesn't really hurt the Fien, but if Otis came out of summertime with championship shamass. Runs all the fun two weeks end by beating Otis but then Biggie in a TV title shot or the September pay per view October pay per view beat shame. Rapid fire sequence where you kind of cash money in the bank get rid of that have some fun on TV host. A little bit elevate shame is through a title rain but also a big beat somewhat substantial. Do the superstar shakeup boom big your guy and then you've got challenges lined up like a carrying cross or Dominic di Jakovic where there's fresh opponents I because right now with the viewership I don't think you could make an argument against shaking things up with a lot of credibility and. So you don't have, it's sort of going back to the business model. You don't have a lot to lose by shaking things up you ship is right now and I think you can create some interest if you do and I still remember that Bill. Watts you US show where like changed every title on one show impact just did that last weekend change. Changed every title on one show. So, to me, I'm not I'm not against doing that and trying to let fans know we heard you it was stale and we've realized things and I think it's we're checking out because it will feel fresh. It it has to be my actual change. You know and I I agree with what you said but I just don't have any faith that anything is really going to change with Vince McMahon booking this that. We can change the titles, look everything's new and fresh. It's just going to be the same old bad booking and it's same lifeless booking a that's just gonNa put them right back in the same position in you know and quickly I mean how many I think back to that right before Christmas Saghir where we've heard you and it's this is your show your and nothing changed just. The ongoing issue would ww it. It's not going to change. This man is completely out of touch when it comes to his creative work, and so I mean we can hope for small moments here and there but I I don't have any long-term faith in anything they do as long as he's head of creative. I mean it doesn't mean you're going to get moments there. Maybe even an occasional good wrestlemainia. He can still book big events fairly well, but just the week to week booking no, I have no faith in any real improvement anytime soon. And I just counter argue that if we stipulate that. Isn't GonNa Change if we stipulate to that and everything you just said, is sort of yeah. Yeah. Resigned ourselves to that. I'd Rather Watch. Vince McMahon. Booking the way he books in September October November and beyond. After a period of six weeks of really shaking things up on the roster and bringing fresh faces and shaking up who's on top I would rather watch smackdown with Vincent Man in charge if we're stipulating to in a resigned to it with the situation I described or some other variation of that than just the same thing where with like. If. The fiendish champion, but he's not defending the title much bronze A. Lumbering top baby face. Matt, riddle still feuding with Darin Corbin and shameless is now feuding with Otis and it's just the same cast to in the same thing. I'm sort of saying if we are confined to the limitations offensively and booking I'm an advocate for making the best of it and I think making the best of it is really shaking up the roster. It's like you know when a basketball team or hockey team just does a big multi person trade because what they're doing isn't working yeah. You might still not like the coach and the GM. In the team philosophy and the arena they play in but you'd rather at shake things up with a bunch of new players because it's really boring watching a team. That's you know not gonNA. Make the playoffs but isn't so awful that they're going to be in the draft lottery and I sort of feel like smackdown. Is just sort of in a groove that is exciting. The group that it's in and I don't mean that in a good or bad way it just it's sort of a spot. That if there's no sense of changer excitement or the unexpected and unpredictable, I just don't see any change in they're gonNa just be stuck at this sub two million viewership most weeks. I it's. I mean something goes have to change. It's not that I'm not saying that they shouldn't change thing as just again, the lack of faith and Vince Yeah and I just I don't know. When is it going to get better I? Like you're semi yes. In in the short term, it would do him any hope that long-term. He's GonNa find the right person that's going to be able to. I mean. It was Bischoff it was. And now it's Pritchard it's just It's so lifeless. His product is so flat. I genuinely look forward to Wednesday nights and and it's not the you know every Ron's terrible most smackdown are just in terms really some are better than others but when you're done it just Kinda okay that was a show. You don't really feel anything watching it on. There's just not enough moments to make it work. So I. Mean, what is it going to take as it? Just seriously like we we have to wait for this man to age himself out or worse in order for things to truly get better in that company I do not know and isn't that the big question I mean I AAA churches in his fifties now as pointed out on twitter and Vince congratulates him on his birthday and He's fifteen years older roughly them when Vince took over for his dad like the idea of triple h is great young hope. Not. Everybody has to start at the same time but I don't know that t doing badly in the demos as it's doing against aws. Has Helped. Triple H causes. He's the guy who who should take over. Aws Night Point one, nine in the demo reel consistent with point to well the previous two weeks right on and their average annexed state appoint one one you know and that's right in line with their average almost two to one margin in the eighteen to thirty four male demo. And there had an every demo aws. In so Triple. If Insulin while you know I'm not doing. Well, let's hand torch Turrell h but then he goes and looks at antics stampings day W and it's not like ooh. I've got a guy who's got it all figured out. I'm going to give the reins triple H. I'm not saying it's a fair assessment but I'm saying I could even sick making that assessment which which answers your question we're not going to see Vince Change. You know anybody new. In, you know until until he can't do the job anymore because I don't know who he feels cont enough to hand it over to and plus I think somebody else's you would vince rather just. Stay in charge, even if it's not the best choice. Or hidden or handed over to somebody else to. Like would vince feel happier. If he handed the reins to someone else and it failed so they would show he was the genius all along or he handed the reins to someone else in its exceeded and he did what a lot of. People who run corporations do they take great pride and also handing the reins over successively to somebody else and having that work because that's part of their legacy? He's Jerry Jones He. Could. Easily Off To qualified people and let them an oversee but not meddle in any. Can he I think he clearly gets his the bulk of his pleasure from running this company comes from creative. I really believe that it's not that he doesn't enjoy their aspects of his job but yeah, I think this is the big one forum and if he's doing a terrible job at it, it still where he finds the most pleasure in being in charge of this, the whole creative approach and I think that's why he's so reluctant to turn things over to Hlavac or anyone else because that's that's just who he is. That's what wwe for him in. So many ways and Jerry. Jones is a guy, the owner of the DALLAS, cowboys Again, he could easily he built a pretty decent team, but there's so many things that people point too late. This is Jerry Jones pick. That was terrible. This was Jerry Jones move know you just can't get out of his own way and they're one in the same. You know there are some billionaires that like you said Kim successfully transition on beat and just sit back and enjoy the fact that they were able to do that. Just clearly not a person clearly I he I when he talks about dying in the chairs famously said. I think that's what he wants to do. Yeah. Yeah. No I do I do. Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on PW Torch Daily Dot Com hosted by me pw torch columnist Greg Parks each week I'll welcome a CO host the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling taking your calls and emails. You can listen live most weeks beginning at eight PM. Eastern on Sunday nights with a WWe or impacts patients view go on the air. At the conclusion of that pay per view you can listen live but of course, the full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly after it airs visit Pw Torch Daily Dot Com, click the livestream linked to find the next scheduled live show link search pw torch, an apple podcasts, or your podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday Twa Torch daily Dot Com. Let's let's talk for a minute about impact wrestling. SLAMMA bursary big change new name showing up the motor city machineguns Eric Young E. C. Three. Heath I wanted to get last name I'm not on like heath doesn't sound like a cool single name a single were named for a wrestler. Yeah but we still have FDR they never added like actually get a better name than that. I don't think so I think that's what it is. I? Don't like it. I'm not a fan either just call them. You know cashing dealer whatever what are their names now? I'm wisit Harwood, wheeler. Yeah and what's the first thing a data dash in cash. Cash and cash index yeah see. I don't know it's like at least they aren't doing problem powerful for Santana not much anymore. was really bad. Yeah, and I always like to Anderson and gallows better than good brothers. I don't think the good brothers was that ever even said I'm WWe TV it was like this nickname for the team now impact is called. Impacts calling them that but. It never felt like that was actually official team name but. No. But you know what? I'm okay. With just to get away from Gals Anderson I don't want to be reminded of their wwe run ever because he was just other than those first three weeks where we're looked like they might actually do something with it was just awful. Good brothers just sounds like some chummy clubhouse nicknamed not like a serious wrestling take also, and that's not it's not my favorite way to brand things is show me clubhouse stuff So. Anyway. Where was I? Oh, yeah, impact. So yeah. Anderson and gallows slash brothers. Eric Yang, heath c three, motor city machineguns. Who am I leaving out I think I'm not one other person who, oh, Gosh you would it be i? Think you are a guy. She said machine guns I got everybody. Own maybe there is one more, but I can't take whoever it is. You know it's not sack rider we should talk about him maybe we still follow it. It is his tagging partners there. Brian. Myers Aka Curt Hawkins Oh. Okay. Yep so so impact Eric. Eric just sort of back as if he never left, you know. He's a top kind of top spot. EC Three really compelling I think really compelling trying to rebrand himself and you know there's a little bit of. The cult leader Bray Wyatt Seth rollins stuff in the sense of he sang a lot of things but doesn't really add up to anything. You can listen to him in wonder because some things he says kind of contradictory but. Overall I'm like a really big fan of what he's done so far both online and on the show trying to say. There was three. There's all these accolades, all these accomplishments, and then in a roundabout way talking about what happened in it's sort of weird to say I'm not, GonNa. I'm not gonNA use that as a crutch dwell on it, but also referencing it but I do see him transitioning to something different. That is unlike Eric Young EC three is saying give me a fresh look because I'm a different person and I am choosing my destiny. The past is just A phrase, a sentence it doesn't define you. My future defines me I. think given that he was last seen sort of emasculated by running around chasing at twenty four seven title is a Goof. He's got more to give and so far like I think this is one of the best case scenarios in terms of having EC three back and impact in having him. Present himself in a new way, not all rebranding works of wrestlers and the EC three gimmick impact and TNA with Dixie Carter and all that was really well done but I think he has a chance to actually give people a reason to give them a fresh look and I think people do are willing in this era especially, the hundred sixty thousand who are watching impact right now on a w. I think they understand enough that sometimes people aren't just given a chance because of man and they take pride and giving people second chances especially if they put the time in that, EC three seems to have done to his character. So your thoughts on what you've seen with him so far. I think you see three could've walked back in the door played the all character baby face orchid when people would have given him the same chance. But I applaud him because that's just he could have done that it would have been easy form because people generally like that character were disappointed that they didn't do more of them and wwe and I think they would have been happy to see that character again but he's decided to do something completely different and I I really respect that it's one thing to reinvent yourself when you know the old hugh needs to go but this one. would be doing an impact didn't need to, but he's doing it anyway. So good for him Eric Young I'm a little bit. I'll be lighter on him only because when it comes to reinvent himself because the guys played everything there is to plan impact already. You know what? I mean. We've already kind of seen world-class maniac is it doesn't seem to be very different than world elite Eric Young. Maybe. He's just he's been so versatile comedy characters multiple. How many characters? Super Eric just all these different characters. So it's like what's left for him to do I like what they're doing with them so far so good I'm young agree. So on the motor city machineguns front and I Anderson and gallows wet act do you think is more valuable impact right now? Anderson and gallows. LONG-TERM I think the guns. It. It's cool to see them I. It's cool that they're. I don't even mind them putting them over as quickly as they did to kind of establish that things are fresh and things are different. Yeah. They tend to run out of steam quickly and maybe that's just I've seen him too much in ray of honor they just Oh, my God the blandest team I don't know what it is. They're they're fun impact they go to ring of honor and they are. freaking doll I just their characters in. It's not like they get a ton of Mike working impact that they don't get in ring of honor But yeah, there are just so much better. So I'm happy to see them but Anderson Gallon of really stood out in a good way so far away I didn't expect. Just a little bit of Mike. Work they've had they feel big time and impact they feel. Fitting of the, you know the position that they're in a and so I and believe me I would. So down on them coming out there, WWe, Ron. So it's kind of been a breath of fresh air I've been happy to see that for them. I like if you tell people Anderson and gallows or feuding with motor city machineguns on impact I, think that can add some viewers and some interest to the brand. I mean, just that's freshens up. The Tag, team division, and then you are able to use those two teams to try to elevate your existing teams create some new ones. If. You'd like to hear this show without ads and plugs interrupting. There's one thing you can do right now to make that happen and that has become a POW. 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Carter, super excited Oh, Erica I, remember interviewing her about Oh Eric's all these great ideas and stuff and it was still hard to like after so many years of Eric Young being. Eric Young to take him seriously trying to be that different I sort of feel with heath he is who he, and by the way I thought you were going to be a good job with it. A little more more mad dog buzz Sawyer And so I thought it was. Semi successful in terms of a transformation but with heath it almost like it's too late to do that given what he's done so far it feels pretty. Derivative of the same thing so far I think there's more that they can be doing with Heath Miller slater just yet come up with the last name this one name stuff it it works for so few people. Yes. Cody does it but everyone just in their head things cody Rhodes anyway and there's other some works for Heath. No. So totally with you give this guy last name but he Like I was it was thanks that the setup was on raw when he went there and delivered that parameter before the match with McIntyre. That's what made me excited to see what comes next for this guy and I didn't think it was going to be some retread version of his. You're not allowed back your free agent storyline from wwe and I'm guessing it's just well, the twist will be it has a different ending. No, how about we just don't do this how about you introduced him in a different way I don't WanNa see him teaming with Ryan again have their occasional tag partner spine but impact needs stars and I know he'd slater and wwe wasn't a star. Impact is pretty much embraced who they are. Now you know they're not competing with WWe as much as they wanted to think they were at one time They're not now realistically in any major way, and so it's okay to bring in their cast-offs and position that if you do it right they can be sorted for you and I think he's one of those guys that I don't know that you're ever GonNa make your world champion but I think he should mean more than they can't even get in the door without sneaking around I. It just feels a little. Too. Much like what they did with him and wwe. Yeah Yup I agree. So Wrestler House. Reality Television. Spoof. Who Snoring too loud. Let's go have a match is this Hey, it's a pandemic. Let's let's mess around. Let's try some things. Let's not take super seriously. Let's impact has a lot of you know kind of comedy. Rest. Mid Card wrestlers in Tommy Dreamer sort of plays well off of them as. My Best Property Gig, I don't know I mean is it is it kind of harmless fun different because what else is impact on a do or do you counter and you just sign all these acts like you got all these names coming in people are taking a fresh look and you know a third of your show is something that's going to be super polarizing and some people are going to get a kick out of it and kind of enjoyed as a break from empty arena wrestling and but. In other people are GonNa think this is like really different and fun and congratulations for doing something. So different and I've seen rally shows that are this bad and they're not taking them so seriously, and so this is a fun sidebar in between what we see in the ring, like where where are you on it so far Be a pro wrestling alternative quick doing sports entertainment Silliness A-. Again just as you said, they just introduced all these names. They had good buzz coming out of Slam bursary. They had good buzz coming out of the first impact after slam verse R-, and it's not because of their wacky sports entertainment crap that they just can't avoid. It's the undead realm. It's the Tree House with the rascals. Now it's this and in fairness we've seen one episode of it I maybe it will grow on me I doubt it. It's just not for me. I know there's an audience for it but like You said I think it's polarizing and I think this is their chance. Hey, we got a little interest here. People are buzzing about these new talents we bring in and rather than just give people a good strong pro wrestling show that they're capable of delivering right now they always have to be quirky and as much as I did enjoy the broken universe i. wish it never would have happened impact because they just can't avoid it. Now, they're always doing something along those lines during the recreate that magic and it never works. Yeah like had they not added. Machine. Anderson Gallows and three and Eric Young and heath. and. You know and they still there some decent other core wrestlers who now have fresh match ups you know and Division? Yes and yes I've absolutely on Abrazos as an addition and I, that's kind of turned into a feel good story with her and. I like. Either you do wrestler House in, you edit it way down. So people know if it's not your thing, it'll be over in two minutes. Because it like this we show it was that was a lot I. don't I didn't record how many minutes but I sort of felt like they broke away from impact to show up special preview of a new zany series coming to access TV. It didn't even feel like you're watching impact after a while. So wrestler covert. House I mean what do you think? Yeah. Yeah. Well. That's A legit a whole other topic as far as that goes. So I don't know I mean I I. Like sort of a guilty pleasure I mean, I, was actually kind of enjoying enjoying the. Enjoying it in that context, but I. I seriously questioned whether with everything that they have going for them. If that's the right thing to be doing now viewership held up this week they did one, hundred, fifty, seven, thousand viewers. They did one hundred, sixty, three thousand last week coming out of slammer bursary. But it wasn't really a big Jim because they did a high fifty six thousand going into slammer bursary that said the week before that they were one, hundred, thirty, five, thousand. Among total audience so It's not like there's been like this huge jump in the last week but it's not a bad number. It's still far and away the number one show on access. TV. In terms of your ship the. The. We tell me Eddie money and Sammy Hager and Ozzy Osbourne shows aren't doing bigger numbers exactly. Yes. And the eighteen to forty nine demo they were down to a point four last week they were at point five, the previous two weeks point three that probably keep them sure that keeps them out of the top one, hundred cable cable rankings this week if if those rankings are actually charting access TV, but because impacts the only show that even as a chance to make the top fifty, they're not even including them in their in their in their chart sometimes but. So I don't know. Yeah I mean I think it backs where check it out if you have access to if access to access. You know it's on some streaming networks are not others on on Pluto and Hulu TV and sling, but not on. Youtube TV and I don't know. It's like it's one of those networks that's on some and not others but. Anthem I never understood why access had so many problems getting on cable systems and everything else under prior ownership. You've had this a while. Now we haven't seen any movement how about you like trying to get your network on simplicity? Yeah. Yeah. A great. Anything else impact how about you WANNA mention? On. It's the when they focused on wrestling. True pro wrestling not the wacky sports entertainment crap it was fine. It's. I think they have I've been enjoying the product enjoyed limited. And last week show I and if I thought well, it's one week with this wrestler House I've just seen this story before they have date they will not walk back where even if there's like backlash on this day will run this into the ground I, just seen it with the dead realm. You know as I mentioned they just once they get going on one of these wacky ideas banned it doesn't matter who likes it who does they're just gonNa just drive you nuts with that. I hope it's not as much as we saw on this week show, but the this isn't going away anytime soon if their history is any indication. 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I would go on as Austin with gallows and Anderson as a his sidekicks and reminded people that Gallison Anderson were within valor. They were with AJ styles. They were with Kenny. Omega at now as Austin is just kind of frame him that next big thing Even if you don't know now direction if they really wanted to have the good brothers as baby fences, I Eddie Edwards just doesn't scream world champion to me he I'm hoping he's transitional and and I think he is I. think that we're getting these weekly title defenses is they just know this? is going to be a short term thing anyway he's just he's Eddie Edwards. There's definitely a place on the roster on he adds something I'm happy he's not doing the crazy eddie thing anymore but just looking at him like just every like now that's that's not your world champion twenty twenty I'm sorry just shouldn't be. He's you're boring neighbor mowing the lawn who doesn't strike up a conversation with you because it's going to be boring. Yeah I. Mean I you know any good worker at he's changed his look up but. Man. When he tries to be charismatic, it's such a struggle. I don't know. Yeah I. Mean It's it's I'm with you I'd rather I'd rather go with Austin something different. I like the idea of pairing them up and. Who Besides as Austin? Who Do you think should be the priority for impact to try to elevate now that they have Eric Young and Obviously, EC three, you can move in and a, he'll or face wherever lands and take the title from Eddie Edwards and then you know Eric Young confused with them, they can try to elevate heath like but. Who Do you? Who Do you look to actually elevate? And who would get a rub from some of these? More neighboring guys who are coming in. I started doing something with the rascals I don't call them the rascals anymore I don't do the tree silliness with them that seventy show. Even, if they enjoy doing it, which I know they do I, don't care it's limiting them and I. I'm not saying they should be world champions. Singles Act but they just haven't gotten enough out of those guys. Pushing trays the guy who just his main events, which is something but the other two are really talented well, and they don't do anything with them. They lose as much as they win So those are a couple of guys that I would do something with I would. Tell Moose. It's time to stop calling yourself Moose and it's time to stop. Playing dress up and hero worship worshiping Ultimate Warrior Randy savage in whoever else in his just let's make you sort of making you the the Quirky I. Let's make you a star because I think he has that potential and I just I just go with Quinn Janaki and make a I even give him a mouthpiece. Can kind of establish that that Moses dead that characters dad this this guy means business because I think there really is something there but every time that they start to do something with him, he just loses me but getting a little too again quarry with a, he can't help himself. Looking. At the rest I want for sure about outfit compared him to a young age styles. This week against Eddie Edwards is I mean he's he's one of the rascals I mean I would do something with him he almost needs to. He he loses all this high profile matches right now. So They're almost need to be a rebuild their with him because he already speeding with lost as mad as hell because he's going after his mom then as Austin wins. Title Mashed. Daddy Edwards. He loses before that slam adversity. He's in that Mash and these these the long shot but he's got a shot and this is great and then he's the first guy limited he's just. They they don't book him well and. But I think I. I'm three guys in the rascals believe it or not I actually think he's the least. He's the guy that I would be focused least on i. think there's something there with Lynch. As a singles. desma Xavier's guy that they've done some things with in the past it I just kind of cooled off on them for whatever reason but yeah I mean I think Willie. Mac is a good role player rich law now that he's healthy should be a real player in that company and then I think he will be I think that and then. You know that's kind of been. The problem there just isn't a lot beyond that I may be forgetting somebody but and for the love of God, get Katie. Forbes off my television. This is just trash. This is stupid I'm not easily offended and I'm not offended but I don't you want families kill children to watch your television show. What is this? All right. Let's let's shift to close out here with wwe. Since we recording are coming out with their financials. Neither of you have had a chance to do neither of US have had a chance to do a deep dive on it but I do see that they're touting that the wwe network average paid subscribers declined one point five percent. To one point six, six, million. While ending paid subscribers decreased six percent to one point six, nine, million. This is how they put it marking the first quarterly increase. Since the fourth quarter of two thousand eighteen. That's a lot to take it but the average subscribers up, but they lost enough during the quarter to actually be down six percent but they put that in between the one point, five percent of tiny increase. But an increase they throw the little nugget in that. Well, we ended up six percent down, but it's the first quarterly increase in terms of average since the fourth quarter of two thousand eighteen. Okay. Clever phrasing. Aside, you know whatever they're trying to do there I think that's actually like really good news for them because the idea that they haven't had a big drop in network subscribers compared to where they were. You know a year ago I mean to me I was bracing. For, something a lot worse than that. I mean, they have just dotted lines across north American ticket sales in two thousand twenty. It quarter to which is. Understandable. Consumer Product Licensing. down. Even, ECOMMERCE is up in two thousand, nineteen in the quarter to six point six. Million in at did twelve point six, million. So they're selling merchandise online and Parkas people aren't buying their stuff. How shows I guess. But to me like that trump's out is there wasn't this huge collapse in network subscriptions again, compared to same period last year. Yeah I. I was surprised to see that it's about as far as I've been able to make it in the reading the report so far. But Yeah I was surprised to see that as well. I thought they might be below the one point five mark or something but I, I never want to give them too much credit without doing a real deep dive into the numbers because they have been known to be able to create if Wade. So we'll see we'll have to see. No totally I mean you know they're they're touting their revenue at the top of the report. And touting the free network. And then touting average paid subscribers being with the decline when you get to the end of the end of the quarter. And again, a six percent drop by the end of the quarter. If the average was higher means that there was probably some curiosity for us a mania. And that led to increase the cinematic matches or whatever, and they didn't hold them and by the end of the three months later when pandemic reality really kicked on people's budgets and the empty arena atmosphere. Then, they're down six percent. So it's down to one point, six, nine, million that's not under one point five million that is not a complete collapse, and so you can see wwe looking at having access to this on a day to day week to week basis and thinking we gotta keep doing cinematic matches and being really creative whether it's climbing the corporate ladder money in the bank or the swamp match whatever they do with a fiend and Braun I think they're they're probably. Their belief internally is probably that's what's keeping us going and they talk about. In the press release from glancing at it, you know about being more crea- having to be more creative. Than they might otherwise because of. COVID, and that they're just running business a little differently creatively. So yeah, the company is continuing to adapt its business to the changing environment with a focus on enhancing the production of content in furthering fan engagement I don't know what furthering fan engagement means at all but certainly, they are enhancing the production of content. If we're to take that corporate, speak extrapolate anything from it, which is. Enhancing the production of content by having cinematic post produced matches. and. Over over time adding plexiglas and mass people banging on during shows. On that. Four. Minutes to call into this call the. Ban Put a spin on things that should be interesting I. Do you WanNa Finish plug for your stuff? I can do it quickly. Yes. Check out a pro wrestling dot net. That's the place to go. We're updating the site as often as possible live coverage of raw smackdown Awa dynamite annexed t and we have older shows covered in one form or another. 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MJF on AEW, Keith Lee on NXT + The Good Brothers

Busted Open

54:22 min | 9 months ago

MJF on AEW, Keith Lee on NXT + The Good Brothers

"You don't know siriusxm listen up commercial free music plus sports comedy talk and news they have it all a lot of people think you need a car to enjoy Sirius Xm but you don't you can listen outside the car right now you can get your first three months of Sirius Xm outside the car for free. Just go to Sirius Xm dot com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe you can listen on your phone at home and online that's Sirius Xm. Dot Com slash busted offer available to new Sirius Xm streaming subscribers series, xm no car required. This is the busted open. PODCAST, you can listen to the full show. Monday. Through Saturday from nine am to noon eastern on. Sirius. Xm. Channel One fifty six. Welcome to the busted open podcast. This is Dave. Greco on today's episode Wwe Hall of Famer Bully Ray and I talk aws. Especially to promos. A. E W with M J, F and a career defining Promo on dynamite last night, and then keithly your champion with some fire on St last night we talk about both. Directions that both MJ. F. And keithly are going also we have another amazing interview what a week of interviews that we've had busted open now we have gallows and Anderson the good brothers talking about their worst pay per view of the year coming up on Saturday all there right now on the busted open podcast. Right the bat. We don't have to talk about it right now, but I'm gonNA. Tell you last night the MVP of both shows is J F. and nobody is even close. Yeah. Let's. Let's start there because there's a lot first of all bully I mean I thought to news worthy shows from aws. There's a lot of things that went on and you're right. You know when you look at the things that went on aws, you could've started today's show anywhere and it would have been fine. But you mentioned them J. F. and I thought J F had the Promo of his career so far this guy has done some amazing things. We heal a few weeks back with with Tommy Dreamer and when people are giving their top five, a lot of people were mentioning 'em. As, not only one of the top heels right now. But one of the top heels in decades when it comes to the world to pro wrestling but man, did he have one hell of an MVP night last night for a w last last week when you were out moving I, don't know if it was on Wednesday or Thursday me and Tommy got into this discussion of heels based off of what you guys were talking about also, and Tommy's talking about how he believes. That Jericho is a great. He'll and I said, I'm sorry Tommy. I don't agree with that I said when Chris has to be a he'll. He's a good. He'll. But Chris is entirely too entertaining across the board for me to ever truly hate Chris Jericho I never come away saying man I. Hope Jericho gets his I. Hope Somebody Punches Jericho in the face I. Hope Somebody Makes Jericho bullied I never get that with Chris not that Chris doesn't do a great job. He's just he he's funny he's witty. He's goofy. He's grumpy all of these. Things about Chris Entertain me. So I could never sit there and just ride the one emotion of hatred with Chris and J F completely different story that little prick comes out and he is he oozes hatred from the minute. You see him until the minute he leaves he never deviates from the plan and the plan is go for the jugular and make people hate me every single second I am on television. That's why I sent out the tweet that I did last night. MJ. AF, makes me want to kick him in the face and I'm smart to what's going on Dave He's able to take. My knowledge. And Push it to the side and get under my skin. And that's that's an art form right there. At his age to be so good at what he does. We talk about he's got a great future how how you know how good of a job that he does. It's almost scary. I hope. I hope that we haven't become my concern for J. F.. Is I hope we haven't become too sensitive as wrestling community that MJ really can't put the pedal to the metal and do all of the things that we want him to do. But if last night is any indication. I mean, and coming off the coming off with Dean Ambrose John Moxie set on our show about scripted promos, and then what we get last night from from from J. F, listen that was scripted, but it was scripted in the mind of J, F. Yeah and you talk about his age MTA MTFG's his twenty four years old think about that. He's twenty four. So when MJ F is at that podium last night and he's like you know what I'm GonNa be here for another twenty five years. It's because bully he is going to be there for twenty five years when you're twenty four years old and you're able to I, mean it's unbelievable and part of that's part of the reason why I hate him so much as. A man who's forty nine years old and see the this condescending like you said Prick in front of me kind of taunting that the fact that hey, listen old man you're on your way out and I'm on my way in and I'm GonNa. Be here for a long long time truer words were never spoken when you listen to 'em J. F. and to be this good this early, I can just imagine what he's going to be like ten fifteen, twenty years from now Bali. In his in his situations with cody over there I see them last night m J. F never makes me laugh. He never makes me smile. There's yeah. I might laugh and smile and snicker in the back of my head because I'm saying this kid has it. So it's almost like. Being proud to see such a young guy who gets it because there aren't many twenty, four year olds in the wrestling business who get it in the ring like Mj does I don't know if he gets it outside of the ring I haven't been around them enough to know that but I know what I see on. TV. This guy gets it. You WanNa talk about your role. You WanNa talk about knowing that being a cool. He'll is not a smart idea. Dave how many? How many times over the past? Ten fifteen years do we see heels that WANNA be cool? Oh my God every he'll want to be cool. It's I there's more examples of that and then examples of heels that actually wanted to be hated or he'll supposed to be cool. Now no I mean that that might be very old school mentality. But when I wiggle when I will wrestling down to its bare minimum, it's about the good guys and the bad guys and it's about emotions. and. The two emotions that command pro wrestling our love and hate I wanNA love somebody I want to hate somebody I don't believe in shades of gray. Yeah. Good. Guys do bad things sometimes and bad guys do good things sometimes but I don't want my bad guy to ever do something good unless that good is leading to a monster baby face turn. I want my bad guy to be bad at all times and M J F is a Douche nozzle prick at all times. And it's working and it's clicking and I loved what he had to say because he was able to get under I think everyone skin listen eighty w we talk about a eighty w and things about eighty w that frustrate us right. But their fan base loves it. You know that eighteen to forty nine demographic that they're leading in and crushing it on Wednesday nights loves the way that E W. Does things and he took a shot at all those fans that love that e w style. He talked about the flip flop fly and omos die he talked about that like the the things that you love I'm going to turn that around on you. He was able in that Promo to get over my skin under my skin, your skin, and then also the eighteen year old that's watching at home. And the twenty four year old kid is speaking like a forty two year old veteran. He's basically calling everybody in in eighty w a bunch of spot monkeys who working for the pop and chase him a hug is any YEP. He's basically telling the entire roster to work. which is what you get from a lot of. When they look at the product. I believe I can look at that product objectively because I understand what they're trying to do, and if you go by a ratings point of view for the most part it's working. Because you're there winning the Wednesday night ratings thing aside from a couple of weeks but are they truly? Getting the rating that they should be getting right now. Well, we're going to see week after week after week. You know it's it's. They have a long road ahead of them when it comes to improving their rating. On the already decent rating that they're doing right now. But Man. When you listen to this kid talk he sounds like he's been he sounds like an old soul in wrestling. You know what I mean Dave Yeah. Yeah. People you know it sounds like he's been hanging around grizzled veterans for a long time smoking Marlboros drinking whisky and just just spitting hatred. And that's It's a gift right now like Randy Orton we talk about heels right now randy randy's a really good. He'll. Right yes. But do you want to see Randy you get punched in the face? Now because you've been, you're you've been with randy new taken this ride with Randy for decades. Now you feel a little bit. Rand your new almost like appreciate what he's doing weekly on TV and I think that's where the Jericho thing comes in. Also it's hard to hate Chris because you appreciate him so much. It's easy to hate 'em Jeff I don't have anything to appreciate. I. Haven't been on a ride with him from the day he stepped foot in e w he told you I'm better than you. I'm better than everybody I'm GonNa Talk Down to you cody I'm not going to respect you. I'm not going to respect your father. You're all a bunch of spot monkeys role working for the pop. This entire company is beneath me and when I get when I get that from the beginning. This, guy's set the table for everything. And this goes back to the discussion that we're having on Tuesday because you're not gonNA see. On social media say, Hey, that's just the role playing on Wednesday nights. But I'm really not like that you know you know he's not using his another moniker. His tag on social media he's not playing nice like you know, Hey, don't forget me on this book beyond that. He's not doing any of those things. The person that you get on w dynamite is the same person that you get on social media, which is the same person you get believe if you met him in person that star cast we Ataman Studio, I saw him at star cast. There was a bunch of people around including like Alex mets are former producer mother Marissa and I went up to him and I was like hey. How, are you man wanted to say thank you for coming in studio the other day. Appreciate it. He turned around he goes Fuck Ula Greco and walked away so that person that you see on Wednesday nights is the person that you get any time that you see 'em j. f. and now you're scratching your head about him because you're like, wow, I wonder if he truly is this much of a jerk and if you're confused and if you don't know whether or not he's that big of a jerk you're gonNA always hate him. And you're right. He's not gonNA take the social media or do any of those things. You. Know I almost tweeted last night after MJ FS Promo I. Wonder if he's GonNa wait. Three minutes to tweet that he was only kidding about everything he said it's. Time to start prepping for your fantasy football draft fantasy sports radio. This year it's also time for fantasy baseball players to do the same. Listen for expert advice to dominate your fantasy football and baseball traffic geared colby the first pitcher take involves strikeouts per. Dow Celebrating our Tenth Year bringing you the best fantasy sports radio on Sirius. Xm. eighty-seven Now keithly, not only is your champion on an xt but man. One thing that we've talked about with keithly is that he needed a little bit of fire when he was on the microphone last night bully, it sounded like, Keith. E keithly had a lot of fire behind his words on an xt last night he had more fire behind his words absolutely, and this is one of the points of contention for mark. Henry when it came to Lee, I've been saying the same thing and I think you've agreed with the both of us that we need to hear some base we need to hear some bodyman. We need to hear some fire some fury, some piss and vinegar what pisses keithly off. I thought last night was better. But I don't think he's there yet. Because I think he was still. I think he was just laid-back keithly. who was pissed off a little bit and cursed a couple of times. Dave when you're really really pissed off. Do you stand in one position and in one spot? You kind of flail and y around and come out of your your own self for minute right? You're only when you're really really mad think about it if you've ever been really mad at home or got into an argument with a friend or whatever you really mad. You're all over the place. I know I am. To See Keith just standing there with his chew feet planted and. Too composed for me. I want to know what keithly looks like in real life when he's mad like imagine Carrion Cross did what he did to a family member of keithly. And now I want key three to tease leader like that. I know you wanNA say some yeah. Because as you're talking and this is why I felt last night and I understand where you're coming from. But I think there's some there's certain degrees we know kief lay we interview Kifah he's he's laid back man he is definitely chill. and. That was not like what we saw last night from keithly Dornan Promo and as you're talking, you're right I'm wondering if we. Stop It. There's A. Promo Damn is freaking bear outside the House I got right. Now, I where did I move I mean I. I know but I'm I'm looking at a pair as I'm talking to you. I just got an alert on my ring doorbell that bear across the street and you got to bear cross street from Your House. No, it's not across the street. It's. Bright they're. Really bear outside to window. I beat it's not directly. He's not like he's on top of the window like this looking in but you know we have about an acre of woods and areas running around with two cubs. If you want to come on the show on June. And the Good Job Demi on bark is really gonNA scare to bear appreciate it. All right anyway. Anyway keithly. But like my dog like my dog's not going to go crazy just one second, my dogs lay back. So it's a little upset because the bear is far away. But at that bear was up closed, maybe my dog will be going nuts Keith Lee may be carrying cross was in the ring with keithly maybe we would have gotten that keithly that you're describing it's almost like it's like you just mentioned like if something happened to a friend of Keith lease or a family member of Keith lease like I, just happy that we got a little bit of fire at all from keithly and I know it's cursing but I didn't get it like he was cursing just for cursing sake like he. Is Very Une wwe like is to talk like people really do talk when they're in a real life situation you know Mustafa Ali Monday was not talking how Mustaf Ali with talk in a real life situation the pause he took his cadence that's not the way people talk but but Keith, Lee last night I was like you know what? That's the way keithly probably talks in real life situations it's. Amazing how on T. we're getting more personality and how people really do talk. Then what we see on Monday night raw and Friday night smackdown it's crazy because you know like beauty's in the eye of the beholder you heard one thing I heard another I think keithly was talking like a normal keithly just a little bit more pissed off I. Don't think that was the real life version of Keith League. That's what I like to see. I want things. So Real I want people talking to each other like they would be talking to each other in real life. Remember when edge and Orton I got off the ground with with their angle and I said I could see that same conversation happening in a car with them driving down the road. That's what I want to feel not just from keithly I wanNA feel that from every performer that's the level of realism I think pro wrestling needs and twenty twenty and moving forward if the curtain is so far pulled back well, then make me on poet back close it. People were bitching and moaning about the whole carry seen situation like, oh we know it was a week old and we know this we know that. People are entirely too smart to everything. So a fans just so smart to everything it's up to the performer. To make them on smart. It's up to the performer to make fans question what they're seeing is this. Show but man, he sounds. So he sounds so realistic like I'm not sure that's what you have to have fans doing scratching their head saying I'm not sure when you hear N. J.. F. Talk you're not quite sure because I could see him walking into Tony Kahn's office and saying everything that he said last night. To Tony Kahn's face you know and bully. This is where like you know again, the conversation that we had on Tuesday Kata said are we that far gone now as fans of pro wrestling that the curtains been pulled back so much that you can't go back either the toothpaste is out of the tube and you know what bully from what you're saying the answer is no, it's not. You could get back to that place maybe it won't be the same place it was thirty, five forty years ago but that doesn't matter you. Could still get to that place and I think the shows last night are in example that you mentioned Mj fs Promo but you know like the Bronx Vignette that we saw on xt, we're you're seeing the real life person you know he talked about his wife and what his wife did from the become a professional wrestler he talked about his road to get there. Hey, you know what? If that's the realism that we're getting from progressive than? Okay with it I'm I'm I'm completely fine with that as long as there's some realism. Watching Wednesday nights. There's some hope for the future when it comes to pro wrestling I, don't feel that way when I watch wrestling on Mondays and Friday, nights, here's my example of realism and how realism works when you see it from day one. When Eddie Kingston walked out last week with cody Rhodes was Eddie Real. Yes. Tomatoes you believe yes. Did he make you believe in everything? He said, yes. Did he make you believe everything that he did? Yes, and did you scratch your head for a minute and think to yourself Holy Shit Eddie? Kingston might actually beat cody. Yes did you ever scratch your head last night and think warhorse could win know and there there you have it. There's where real believe ability comes in. And we'll get to warhorse in cody whenever you decide you WanNa talk about that but Eddie is real. MJ. AF is real. You get this level of realism from the beginning where. Yes we know we're watching a wrestling show. Yes. We know where we're watching sports entertainment. But they make you take a step back with their words now with their fists with their words where you actually say to yourself holy crap this Eddie Kingston's bad son of a gun he might actually beat cody or holy crap. This MTA is a prick I hope John Moxie. Dumps him into a pool of barb. Wire. I could care less Jon Moxley backdropped. Kenny Omega into barbed wire. It's just a it's a crash and burn spot. That makes me go. ooh I would love to see. moxley backdrop MJ into a pool, a barbed wire because you want to see 'em get it. You want to see him get his ass kicked. You want to see him get his what he's got common. That's-that's the difference. Eddie Kingston. Is Somebody. LEGIT is a scary dude like he's a scary. He's a bad ass dude that you would not want to mess with MJ F is somebody that because he thinks he's so entitled anything says like a twenty four year old he knows as much as somebody who's been in the business for twenty five years and the way he could get under your skin. You hate him now you hate both guys for different reasons but that doesn't matter. But again it you're not. You're not saying I hate this person because I don't like his work rate or it's go away he and I'm tired of seeing this guy that's not the reason why you hate these guys. After watching annex t last night Bronson Reid is somebody that now I want to cheer for I want to get behind Princeton. Read I WanNa, I, WanNa watch him wrestle and I WANNA watch him sixty just from that two and a half minute vignette that they showed on annex t last night bully they made me care about boy. I want to see him, win I, WanNa see him just seed because I'm emotionally attached to him not his moves. That's the whole. That's where the whole conversation comes in about spots and moves, and this and that. You don't want fans emotionally connecting to a move. Anybody can do a move. We're learning more and more with Canadian destroyers. DT's diamond cutters anybody can do move and fans can pop for that move because it's just the move I want people to be able to pop for a wrestler who just stands in the middle of the ring and doesn't do a damn thing because now you're into that proformer, you're connected to them emotionally and when you're connected to a wrestler emotionally. You'll respond even better to any moves. They did last night I did respond better to keithly liked the edginess of keithly but I felt I still felt like it was in the scope of the performance. Now you just gave a great analogy Dave. Your dog walked in into your studio and Demi barked because she saw bare now the bear was across the street. If the bear was in a room in your room, Demi would probably be going crazy and in defensive dog mode right Yep. So you know what? In a way last night we got Keith lease. I bark. We've never heard keithly really barked before. Have we know we haven't? So that was I liked that that that comparison you made in that analogy last night was the first bark. Maybe I would have just seen a little bit more movement in the ring. Than just standing there stoically. But for the most part could step forward enjoyed it. I want to see that I wanNA see the bad ass that I know is brewing inside of Keithly the and show Mr Roy, Jones June and I and Mike Tyson are going to get it on. It seems like this is going to be a big big fight. Even know these guys are in their forties and fifties also these. Guys probably had the biggest eagles in boxing hands down those egos will come into play at some point throughout that exhibition. Now, all these guys mature enough to control themselves. That's a question that needs to be answered. They're going to have to answer it that night the Baruch show weekdays from twelve to one PM Eastern on Sirius Xm Fire Nation Channel One, fifty-six Saturday August I on Fight T. About this bully talking-shop a mania coming up, it's being billed as the worst pay per view ever. So right there, I'm intrigued to see what this is going to be like. So to come on to talk about nine, agonize GonNa, see Hello Sir not only not only going to talk about what we're going to see on Saturday August I on fight but also the podcast also their debut on impact wrestling this past Tuesday, let's bring in the good brothers Carl and the dock cows how are you guys doing? Great I love coming onto a show or you plug the worst pay per view ever talking-shop a mania right out of the gate. That's why out of the eighty media enquiries you've had this week we call you for the show because I knew it was going to kick ass I out the gate, and finally it wasn't the first question wasn't why did you get fired? What was it like getting fire wasn't embarrassing being fired publicly? Why didn't you guys leave in two, thousand, nine, hundred? Are you guys, idiots. I got I gotta be honest right off the bat and this may make this a little bit different. I could care less about any of those things. I just. WanNa talk about what's taking place Saturday log is for and here's why okay when you build it as the worst peop- if you ever and you had the That you've been posting on social media as well to get you intrigued about what's taking place on Saturday. So I really don't know what to expect on Saturday. So maybe I you call if you could just talk about what we can expect as fans on Saturday night live literally. Talking about the second we got released gallows called me and said guys, I'm running a pay per view in my backyard with or without you. Is. That is that your way of telling me I have to come and help you and it was and I and I go what do you mean? What are we going to do? He said well, I'll tell you one thing for sure we're GONNA. Do the main event is going to be a Boehner Yard match and it's going to be chat too bad versus sex Ferguson and it's going to be in a graveyard in my backyard I've got lighting and it's GonNa be amazing and it's going to be a complete parity pay per view and I went. On Down Bro and then he lost purse you've bought a three thousand dollars and he's got a her sitting in his front yard. He's trying to think of ways to get insurance on trying to explain. Get hers in his Front Yard. Bullies loaded from the great runs. He's had over the years you look into by users. Good brother. That's that's phenomenal. Just hearing about that idea right off the bat. I saw the coming attractions for it and you're right. It looks like the worst thing ever. But I, was partying for two minutes and twenty seconds watching the coming attractions. So I'm looking forward to seeing something that. So God awful. That entertains the hell out of us where did the idea come from like how long ago did you come up with this and how did it come to and how did it come to be? Sitting there in the Saad I get off the phone with Iran and I go you know you you can't come off of doing this great cinematic saying being a part of it at Komeda event with the undertake AJ styles because of the way the world is they have to cinematic match. It's going to go down in history I'm like mad if we don't stoop this, we're missing a hell of an opportunity because our podcast is lighthearted it's laughing it's all this bullshit all the time. So, this is a key opportunity for us to you know their social unrest going on in the world we're in the middle and a lot of people going through a lot of stuff you know as wrestlers as entertainers. That's what we love to do is to entertain people So then we started thinking of what else to put on this thing we gotta a social distancing battle royal we. Got a ninety s tribute segment. We have. We have a briefcase in a tree match it's ridiculous and I want everybody know this is to make you smile. It's not done out of disrespect. It's none of that. It's a parody of what we know in love professional wrestling. If you can't laugh at yourself, then I don't think you're great entertainer I hope everybody will enjoy it Saturday night. It's Like no proof wrestling spoof movies, right Exactly that's what Karl. Taking away cat we're we're losing the brother. Yes. I think what he's GonNa say. I I made a good point like I always do because i. I have to be the reason I have to be the reasoning of this y'all have a partner that is a businessman in this insane like madman and you got to have a guy, go hold on hold on pipe down but rather relaxed a second. So just Ju Ju just to be able to have guys like the flock me we got dealer Brown come down to the ring we've got teddy. Long hanging out at gallows at gallows this backyard man, the rock and Roll Express. Were there all day from eight am in like we didn't even ask them to be there until noon and they were there because they just want to see the brothers and Ricky Morton L. Holiday Man I'm telling you this is something big man. This is big and who's in who's telling us how great this thing is. Just sit back how a couple beers have some CBD oil whatever you do. Your brain door you want it to be and have a good time. Do you think like you Kinda through a swerve at because like I know for myself I'm like you know cows and Anderson the there from the wwe they're bad asses. So we're going to see the first time we see them it's going to be his hardcore new Japan strong style match, and instead we're GonNa see the worst pay per view of all time I mean was that the intention is to say listen fans there's more to us than just that. Yeah I think we needed a creative outlet that will give us some layers and I mean you know transferred into the talking about impact kind goes hand in hand because it's GonNa Breath of fresh air over there creatively. US to page script of lines of things we would say they Guan say what you guys would say and it's been a it's been a refreshing feeling. So I think talking-shop a mania was just US blowing off some steam and trying to make people smile at again what we all know and love and it's pro wrestling. Fully, I guess I guess a truly is a two page. Promo because everybody. Talks about the two page. Here's here's the thing you know we opened up and you know you guys talking about, wow. It's great to talk about our pay per view and not what happened over there and all this and that but it's crazy. This week on busted open opens been really interesting because we had eric young on we had. On we had mocks Leon. The running thread is the things that go wrong while you're in the wwe. And when you hear the same story from a bunch of different people you gotta start except in it for taking it for face value. Listen I never had a problem with it I have nothing but great things to say things went right sure for me and my partner they never really went wrong. But for you guys listen just talking to you now for five minutes I can already tell you're the you're the guys that I know and love not the miserable pricks you've been for the past years. So this has to be a that breath of fresh air it has to be refreshing. But when you leave, it's kind of like the way the world is off your shoulders. Man It is. We said we said the stuff that we were going to say in that shoot interview deal. Got It out there. No reason to harp on that. It's rear view mirror stuff now but say the way to the world's off our shoulders one, hundred percent bad we feel better I feel like we look better. We just a better place mentally you know. So it's been good. It's nice to know that like you know you don't have to see the meeting break and all of a sudden you hear the Michael Hayes is buried you five times in a meeting for some for no reason you don't even know why and it's what? What was the what was the reasoning for that? I thought we were cool with you Michael. What you got at least come tell me why you thought something sucked. So it's Toxic right. Now for me has been a really big threat, the fresh air and and and you know us Bubba man like we we are fun loving lighthearted guys that enjoy. Having Fun and being creative and being funny and having our own kind of comedy anyway. But like so just to be able to do that on top of being involved with impact right now and impact is us our is giving us our our wrestling. Just you know we we love to wrestle. So that's that gives us that. But on top of this, we get to do this ridiculous stuff with talking-shop Mania and hang out with the rock and roll express all day in have beards with them all day and produce a wrestling show in. It's just it's it's been really fun. Show, we're going to see obviously we we got your back in an impact. Are you guys also going to be working with Japan? That really important to you very important himself. So important, it's actually written into our contracts that we can go to Japan specifically for new Japan pro wrestling an impacts being so amazing that low even you know because they everything for them is basically taped besides live pay per views that they can. Even you know we can even finagle the the the dates around to ensure that we can get over there to new Japan when they are open and ready to rock and again. That was huge when Scott the more you know he was a sodas aggressively and that was that was a huge thing for. Just to be able to go to new Japan pro wrestling is is that's that's number one at the end of the day, but impact was so. Unbelievable with their offering and wanted to have us there that we had to go. So why were they able to lure you away this time as opposed to last time read the stories know about it. You Guys Aj dixies House Yada Yada you walked out you didn't feel it was like the right situation but now you said impact cordage you and you felt like they really wanted you what was different between the two situations I will you know what happened the last time is wwe called that was it w It. It was right right. After we had left dixies house wwe called maybe they got wind that we were there I don't know how that works but they called and they quoted us just as well and it was like man we've felt like at that time. We needed to go to the wwe and I think these last four years we built our name is as high as we could in the wwe in at and paid off. Yeah Oh, God go. It's no. No no no no. Please continue doc. All I was GonNa say was just you know just to reiterate once more was Scott just he came out of the way we knew the management was different. I had been in TNA before when Dixie was in charge and it was it was just a whole new group. We didn't know don callous our initial conversations with him talking about creative ideas and stuff like that. We got a great vibe from. Him. We went and met. Ed. So everybody's it just felt like the right move and then when we got there and right out of the gate, they honored their word to us You know I've talked huge for the fact they're dropping graphics for are ridiculous parody paper view on the television show. Then you know this past Tuesday night running commercial spot the day even helped chop to fit into the show. That just feels like you're playing on a team that you want to wear their hat because they're wearing your ad. It's it's been really good. So. It sounds like that. You know there's a big difference between the TNA that you are in before and the impact wrestling that there is now. So like with the wwe you were you had two stints with the WW was there much of a difference between the two stints or is it basically the same? I've said this publicly before we were sitting in a room at the Tokyo Dome Hotel which, which fully knows well and it was AJ in his wife is Me and my parents and and his mother we'd brought families over for our last Tokyo we ought to take a boat and really decide on this thing. Who says yes to go to W. W., who says no and I voted no got noted down to two one which was actually the right right move. But the WWE I remembered in the wwe I went back to were different I. think it was just. I was older more mature and it was just a different younger locker room and stuff that we had a lot of follow the boys there and eight enjoyed that part of it over the four years. Now Carlson with talking I just to ask I wanted to ask another question about talking shop mania so I almost got a feeling of like a lake seeing you guys do your own thing with this. Spoof wrestling kind of felt like with Matt Hardy with final deletion and all of the stuff that Matt Hardy did was so successful and one led to another which led to another. With, talking-shop Mania is it a one off thing or if it goes real, well real use spoof other things that are going on currently in the business or would you maybe take some things that happened in the past and spoof them also? Said Adly. Unquote. Hearing we're hearing word that the pre buys are starting to come in for me and I'm going oh no like this this this is going to be possibly successful gallows. WanNa have to do another one. Yes. He he literally rights and goes guys. It's going to be a success. So I'll give you a week off and then after that, we're starting planning and talking South Mania to on like I mean it's fun is appleby has been insane. Then he wrote back f you man and I was like, well, he'll get over it. I said, once you pay per view check, you'll be happy and we can play the next one young. Man I'm just one of the boys. I think it's fun to spoof current and past off you know and laugh along with it. That's that's part of the fun of what we do. So it's cool to be able to be serious objects amass new Japan to have a more serious layer on impact, and then you know it's almost like the trailer park boys a pro wrestling when you talk about talking shop. Well bully as as as I'm going to sound like a forty nine year old man here but it almost sounds like they're the Mel Brooks of wrestling like as soon as something successful, you come up with a parody of it I. I'd be fine with that Bali. Like I said the two minutes, twenty seconds I saw on social media. It looked like everything that I would absolutely despise and I was right the. Time I loved it. I was like I have to watch talking-shop a mania because I want to be entertained and I WANNA laugh. So all the boys that were there they were totally in on it they wanted to do anything that you wanted to do. They knew your vision and they were all on board. Yes. Clutter again, everybody was onboard with it and we actually you know you talk about Matt Hardy you I think it's kind of like the father, the cinematic stuff we sent. A copy before it was finally edited the Boehner Yard matching. He wrote back and just went boys. This is hilarious I feel like he wrote it for me and the boys to pop for and I was like well, that translates to the audience and the fans as well. Then we have something here so. I mean we we we we send a link to the to the young bucks and they they both wrote back. Just there's these guys. This is this is unbelievable. The losing it watching the watching the bone yard and there's so many inside just inside the boys get an in smart wrestling fans will understand. People booked to coming or come into the shuts come into his house and they had no idea. What do we need gear like what what do we need? What do we need and we're just going now you don't need anything we my minute Maria come and they they were there all day and we just needed for a couple of little things that we didn't need to bring gear that the just just be half fun be creative just just do anything you want Maria. Really cool things. She did great. Mike. Michael's amazing. Mike was able to you know laugh at himself a little bit. Through spoof what he's gone through two, which is really cold but I mean. I'll say they're added I. Don't know. I. Talked to over you you did. But it doesn't matter because talking-shop a mania on fight TV this Saturday August, I can preorder but make sure that you definitely watch it. Make sure you watch it because bully on Monday you and I are going to talk about it. So if you're listening to bus if you're listening to US Open nation and you're you're a member of the nation and you're listening, we're GonNa talk about this on Monday. So do your homework and watch him sorry shop a mania. Funny. I have a funny feeling. We're going to have a different critique and breakdown of talking shop mania that then we would on Monday night raw. One hundred percent. Like. Like the three of us me rocky and gallows are on were on commentary and freight train does a double clothesline and we start. fucking. More we're laughing so hard. We're laughing so hard just to set up man. It's Like I get a voicemail like every other month at the team three D Academy and God. Bless 'em. Fragrant. Hobby BUBBA. Freight train just won't let you know I'm doing well I. Love that. Guy. He's a big store to I the same one, but he's still thinks L. Fast this this. You know bullying it's funny. You said that it's going to be way different than a Monday night raw, but it's billed as the worst pay per view ever. So maybe it's going to be like a dream rules that we think it. Does these false advertising on this way I removed a man's eye on social media this week to prepare for the Boehner Yard batch. So anything's possible. Obviously. You Guys GonNa have a blast with this bone yard match. But how was it being involved in the bone yard match with Aj, and taker. Man It was it was epic. You know we felt bad out of the gate like man, these guys would have such an awesome match in front of seventy, five, eighty, thousand people what is this going to be like but then you have to of the greatest ever do it in Aj styles and undertaker. So what they created I thought was magic in for a situation where I don't know if there was a regular wrestlemainia and you show that on A. On a Titan Tron to eighty thousand people if they would have had the same reaction. But for the time that we're in I thought it was a masterpiece it was great to be involved in and we said this before but I'll toughest acre still to this day like he does that deal with the beginning and he smashes the window, the earth and his arm is just laid open and you know we're shooting this thing. Long and he does stop he doesn't receive real medical attention other than cleaning it up a little older towel on it. Go to the next shot. Do. The shot arms bleed everywhere again clean it up on a towel on it go to the next shot it was It was awesome. We had a lot of fun being out there it'd be a part of its sure I and I'm not saying that we earned undertaker's respect in the bone yard or whatever. But I think that he saw that we were there all night we will working hard. We were selling for stuff and we were allowed better than a couple of those druids almost. Time. Up. Just just the out there like. End of the day right it's it's it's being involved with the undertaker wrestlemainia and then being able to be involved with AJ styles as great as he is. It was nothing but awesome. Awesome both take her says at one point we cut and he goes I think some of those druids need to go back to summer school. Out of the bone yard was saying. I. Think I need the Druids were so terrible that they made gala zander's seemed like actually good workers. Guys. Mania to. Trust me what you see the social distancing royal you'll know that we flew. We we'd love to have. We'd love to have Bob on it. I. Just don't think we could afford it at this point that kind of budget we gotta work. We could talk. Through it has been fun. Are. If, you book me versus Legras I'm for free. Don't please don't tempt us with that because it's I'll tell you why if it's if it's a social distancing match, I'll tell you how. His ass. Booking gals, flack and gallows fly spirit like he did end zone. Hey Hey hey. You flew me stare at bro You. Thought I wouldn't notice. You Know Joe Takes a lot of ships guys alive. I've been Anti. Fan from day one you guys to them how entertaining is that little bastard? Mad, he couldn't have been better at this thing. It was It was hilarious when he has a great cameo not to give everything away. But a great cameo in the Boehner Yard that we didn't even really set up. Just happened that way and I laugh so hard we had to cut because. He's ends. Oh, he's entertaining his health and he just that's him. Yeah. You know in and honestly like we beat him up so many times on rolling on live events that like I mean we beat him. We really beat him badly a lot. He took it all. Always, took it all and took it in stride I remember one night he goes. About not so many bumps tonight in. My back a little sore. So of course, it's a four way tag and what are we all do SUPLEX SUPLEX Body Slam. Every gotTA SUPLEX. Stolen. Jersey accent. Yes. Absolutely. Let me ask you this. Do you have you ever heard of this Guy Sex Ferguson? Yes. I'm not quite sure who sex ferguson is DOC. WHO IS SEX FERGUSON SACK SAUGUS and Professional Wrestling Legend I can't use my colorful language their on busted open but you'll see this Saturday labs at talking shop many. Oh. Doesn't go out any better than that. I'm glad he kind of curved language even though the satellite radio and you could say anything that you want. But as my dad used to say you WANNA keep a little in the condom because you want walks. On Sad. I Love Your Dad's yeah. Out. I started out in Gloucester City New Jersey. So that's where I learned. The Jersey. Accent also worked with Enzo. So many times you just times you can't not talk why him after you've been around so much she's. All right. So I really WanNa talk about your guys relationship because I'm just guessing that as much as you're the same, you're very different as well. You know I could just tell from this interview because doc is continually stepped over you Carl when he tried to out and also dock is doing it from vehicle where you call, you're doing it from professional studio so About your. One respect and one doesn't I, digress so. So. So talk about your relationship how you're the same and how you're different and I'll start with you girl since you can answer. So doc won't step on you. Well, you know usually. It's funny because we will. He's talking over me here today but. Because he's driving and he's got his video recorder on he probably shouldn't be any probably shouldn't be on facetime while driving. The back of my own truck. Thank you. Of course, he has a camera crew thinks he's the. Rock. Star how I personally. Booking brother Dalo Gallo is one of the most fun. Loving sweet kind hearted is kind hearted guys in the whole world, but let's not ever get this twisted. He thinks he's the coolest motherfucker. As you can tell by as you could tell by debut and impact as we're walking down. So cool. He slipped at the bottom of the ramp because he's wearing fucking cowboy boots, all those those bastards off the red that was the debut of the no hand Crotch JOPPA and get it over. With though we're we're so much alike like people told us. We would. We would get along and literally put us together in New Japan. Hattori, a Tory put shows me video. You're the guy that books talent in new band goes amen this guy good worker what you think I watched and I go. Yeah. He looks like he pretty good dealers. Yeah. Maybe they make you tag team and I was like Whoa hold on a second. I'm doing pretty good on my own I'm good I. Have a big singles running in the future. They put us together and we realized we we had a good match cork and all in Tokyo, and then we went out for beers that night probably drank about a hundred of them and we laugh. So hard that that was it man that was December of two thousand thirteen. And we've been on the road together for seven straight years. That's the problem I. Think we're so much alike, it's that it's It's it's like what would the one good thing about him is he has such a such a quick trigger being the big guy is of the group that I'm able to come in and kind of like. Call the big brother down you know. What are you? Yeah. We're like an old married couple to be honest with you and takes one to balance out the other when I go off the rails. He's usually one really me back in but I'll see him, you know six times a year really lose it or do something really fucking stupid and when I have to step in and be the voice of reason, that's when we know there's a big issue because normally it's me. So when he stepped out allied, I have to become the enforcer or or step out of a sticky situation or whatever but it's very rare is pretty much. Of The duo I call them the straight man even though in a normal duo that would not be the case but in this wild ass pairing that we are, that's how it works out and it's it's good. Lee Keeps me balanced. Very. Well. Speaking of an old married couple, a serious question here. What was it like working with diamant as your producer? We. Love. We loved Yvonne Yes we all do and yeah. We just we love Yvonne I'm glad I'm glad he's not. He didn't get furloughed diddy. Now. He's going to be there holding he'll be. Easily there forever, he's going to be working until he's eighty. That's what I told him. He just won't stop having children the most. If you only knew as long. As loves having. Babies just babies. Can't. I. Can't get enough newborns. God bless I guess if he didn't get furloughed. Fixed the glitch yet. So we'll see what happens. A. Talking shop a mania August first Saturday fight TV. Make sure you order. Hey, listen I'm saying that right now it actually means something were to number one sports talk show here on Sirius. Xm. So we are GonNa talk about this on. Monday. So I want the nation to do their homework please watch talking-shop a mania on Saturday bully I are going to break it down Monday. We're GONNA talk about it. So if you want to be a part of the homework assignment definitely order and hopefully that gets me booked on talking-shop a mania to everything I. Touch turns to gold. So you definitely want a book me bully we'll be watching and I can't wait guys. Thank you so much for the time. We appreciate it and we'll be talking about Monday morning. Thanks. Man Be on Monday enjoy. Brothers please. Thanks brothers. Thanks for listening catches Monday through Saturday. I'm busted open from nine. Am To noon eastern on Sirius Xm by Nation Channel fifty six, the busted open. Odd. CAST.

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Keith Lee & Great American Bash vs. Fyter Fest

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Keith Lee & Great American Bash vs. Fyter Fest

"You don't know Siriusxm. Listen Up Commercial, free music plus sports comedy, talk and news. They have it. All a lot of people think you need a car to enjoy Sirius Xm, but you don't. You can listen outside the car right now. You can get your first three months of Sirius Xm outside the car for free just go to Sirius Xm dot com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe. You can listen on your phone at home and online. That's serious. EPSOM DOT com slash busted offer available to new Sirius Xm. Streaming subscribers series xm no car required. This is the busted open. podcast you can listen to the full show Monday through Saturday from nine am to noon eastern on Sirius Xm. Channel One fifty six. Welcome to the bus it open podcast. This is Dave Greco today's episode Wwe Hall of Famer the Greatest Tag team wrestler of all time bully Ray and I talk all about eighty w fire fest annex. T great American Bash night number two. We give our take pus. We also get the take of the busted open nation, and how about this the winner of the main event from great American Bash night number two. That's right, champion versus champion now you're North American champion and your annex. T heavyweight champion Keith. Lee joins US right now on the bus. It Open podcast. I think though when you look at what took place last night and what took place last week? Fighter Fast Great, American bash now it's all said and done. I think it's a win for both companies and I think it's a win for the fans because I think over the last two weeks, we got some really good professional wrestling bully. We got some exciting stuff. We got some stuff that had some good storytelling to it. We got some car crash. Stuff and Dave like we've been speaking about over. Over the past couple of weeks coming on the show during this you know during the corona era of pro wrestling, trying to extract all the good and all the positive. I wrote down a lot of stuff from last night, and there's some stuff that's questionable that I wanna get into you with you and the nation, but what I'd love to do is I always love hearing from wrestling fans about what they thought. We could sit here. Mean you and go back and forth about what we liked didn't like. I, honestly want to hear from them. We should do like our own little busted open ratings for the day. What do you think yeah? I like the idea. Eight, seven, seven, three, four, four, four, eight, nine, three, eight, seven, seven, five, ninety three boy I. Think you know you and I especially on Thursday mornings were like all right. Who won the night? Who had the better show I think? Think. You know we're going to give our opinions, but yeah, we really want to get the opinion from the bus. It open nation, so we have gabby and Andrei who are are in the house today for busted, open Gabby our producer Andrea AP, so I'm GonNa ask Andrea AP to kind of open up tally and I kind of want to hear from the busted open nation like which show. I think maybe even bully two questions for the nation. Who Do you think one last night and overall with fighter fest in great American Bash which event do you think one overall because I think more than ever bully that the ratings are meaning more and more especially right now, especially, since annexed is starting to get a taste of winning this ratings race, because for a long time for months it was a w and exte- was left in the dust. It's kind of taken a reversal of fortune here, but I wanna hear from our fans. I want to hear from the nation. Who Do you think one last night? And then with both of events? Who Do you think one overall? We talk about the ratings that will be coming out later today around four or five o'clock over the past couple of weeks. The ratings have been very interesting. To things went on with w last night. That told me that you know they were concerned with the ratings. Actually, there was one thing because I know the show was taped, but you can tell that they have a concern for this rating and annexed t pulling ahead. Did you notice anything different and it might not have necessarily been about the show. Did you notice anything different now? That thing really caught my mind. Lot of social media action last night from the W. Fan base I'm sorry. The eighty w locker room on social media during the events interest Tony. Kahn Cody Rhodes before the event. Lot of people constantly reminding fans that we're on, we're on now. Here's what's coming up next all great ideas because you always want to keep people engaged because people forget you know, but but they're. They're using their social media platforms to drive people to TNT. I haven't seen as much of that in. The past couple of months sore a lot of it last week, and you can't tell me that. Both of these companies are not concerned about the competition or not concerned about the ratings. Hell Hunter went on record about a week ago. To say that this is good competition, and I'll always go back to Jericho. Said when he came on the show with us about. About a year ago, he said it's not a war yet. It is a war. It really is because these two companies are vying for the other companies wrestling fan and doing whatever they have to do I mean look at both shows last night. Dave, especially a e W. They threw a lot of stuff up against the wall. Yeah, they really did and this is. is where a e w has the advantage when it comes to annex, T listen Monday nights. There is no competition. Friday nights for smackdown. There is no competition. You have competition with an X. T with a W, but a lot of things, and this is something we're GonNa get into as well today. Bully is that there always is the fear of who watching on. On a Wednesday night on annex. T might not be there the next week. You know because there is that main roster push of raw and smackdown case in point is the main event last night and we're going to talk to the winner, which is Keith way? He's going to be joining us at ten am eastern time, but now there's a lot of speculation. Is Adam Cole now moving to Roy or smackdown Awa doesn't have that problem there. Show is the show that you watch on Wednesdays. Their roster is the roster. You're going to see each and every Wednesday night. When it comes to annex T, there's a lot of moving parts now. There's the negative aspect where hey, a wrestler that you're watching. Today might not be there tomorrow, but as we saw last week with Sasha Banks, you could pluck somebody from that main roster. Put them on an xt and pop rating like they did last week. You know you just brought up Adam, Cole Baby. And just watching him last night. He's so damned good at what he does I. I love all of the in between stuff that he does I. Love His selling love. His registering I love his facials. I love it when Keith Lee hit the power bomb on him, and he grabbed the rope with one finger. Just little things might concern for Adam. Cole would be if he did move up to the main roster and Vince didn't see him and I and I'm talking about his size because we know how Vince feels about smaller guys at times. Yes, some smaller guys have been very successful under ventas is, but the majority is smaller guys just. Just fall by the wayside. I mean I think even when Gargano and CIAMPA. What were up there for a cup of coffee? They weren't really doing everything that they were doing down in annex. T I could be wrong, but my my my memory tells me they weren't you know if you if you remember that was right in the middle of their feud. Gargano and Champa, and then when they went to the main roster, put them together as a tag team. There you go without with which really didn't make any sense. And then they brought them back the next day, and they went back to their feud again. On like I think Adam, Cole could be. The Guy will be successful. No matter where he wrestles in the world, but on raw or smackdown he could get lost in the shuffle, maybe less on smackdown than on raw because sometimes. and. Listen anybody who's brutally honest and the wrestling business will admit this. Vents likes bigger guys always has. THAN IF YOU'RE A smaller guy you have to have this. You have to have that certain something special to catch his eye to make him more push you. We know that Adam Cole is a great wrestler. We know he can cut a hell of a promo. Is that going to be that something different? That's GONNA catch is I. I don't know I think as long as. Adam Cole is an Annex T. The sky's the limit, but I don't know I think in Annex T. There's a ceiling. I would agree with you. It has what you're saying makes a lot of sense because my wheels are turning a little bit. Because who are the champions in the WWe right now? Bronze Stroman and drew McIntyre I mean you talk about size. Both those guys have it, and then the two arguments that a lot of fans would say in what you're saying right now would be Siham punk and Daniel Bryan. And punk, even though at a time he was champion. He was never in the main event that was one of his big gripes right even at Wrestlemainia, even being a champion, he wasn't in the main event and Daniel Bryan. They had other plans for Daniel Bryan put the fans took over everything that was taking place, and they kind of in the last minute changed the plans for wrestlemainia thirty. Don't forget it was, Batista. That one the rumble their plans was all about Dave, petit STA and not about Daniel Bryan, and it quickly was changed because it was such a groundswell, so it took two things to really make a difference in the wwe. A in this world that we're living in right now in the wwe where it seems like once again size matters especially when it comes to Vince McMahon, I think Adam Cole could get lost on raw or smackdown with with Daniel Bryan. Massive tsunami of a fan base. Just saying this is the guy that we want and we're not. GonNa let you stop us from backing him punk. Has More Size Than Adam Cole right off the Bat. and. He's got an edginess to him. I just wanted to put it out there that I am a big Fan of Adam Cole's work. I think he's really great. But with a guy like that. I'm concerned when they get moved up to the main roster. Yeah, and I just don't want to see it. I Love Adam Cole I. I've said it I sat each and every week on social media I think he's the greatest annexed champion of all time, and really I don't WanNa. See Him move from annexed. t because especially like with what we got last night. The competition you WanNa see both shows at their. Their best annex t is a much better show with Adam. Cole Than They are without Adam, Cole and already they've got the ball rolling from what you watched in that main event once keithly won that championship is they showed carrying cross with scarlet. So you already know it's going in a certain direction, so I'm interested to see what happens to Adam Cole but I hope Adam Cole stays because it's not just about Adam. Cole bully. It's about undisputed. Undisputed era like Adam Cole was to move on to roar smackdown. Does that mean the entire undisputed era would move with him, or they would have a new leader I don't know, but no is that annexed is a much better show with him than without him two things when it comes to the undisputed Erin Adam Cole I could see the other three guys and undisputed are turning on Adam Cole and making Adam Cole a huge baby face, annex. Annex T I think that definitely could work secondly when we're talking about Adam Cole and the main roster. Let's take a look at who Adam coalface last night Keith Lee keithly. Now you're annexed champion and you North American Champion! We saw keithly at the royal rumble this year. Who did keep Lee heavy memorable moment with brock face to face with Brock lesnie right? Yep, you think brock would ever give that face to face moment with Adam Cole. Probably not definitely, not not probably it just ain't happening. So these are my concerns for him. I think there's still a lot of stuff, and plus if we ever got to Adam Cole versus at carrying, Cross, Adam Cole versus everybody in the industry. There's still a lot of good things for him to do within the next day, but it's funny. Now 'cause you're you. Look at your world. Champions in the WWe bronze. Stroman drew McIntyre and keithly. That's a lot size. When it comes to championship gold in the wwe right now Vince has always liked big men. You know that and the only time we see smaller guys with championships is Vince doesn't have that big guy that he feels that he can rely on. And guys like Stroman, and and and drew remind him of that old school. You know huge pro wrestler that he used to have in the eighties. But guys that can do a lot more than just go north South East West close on Body Slam. Especially, withdrew everyone. Nicole Auerbach and I want you inside. The coaches clubhouse the brand new podcast from Sirius Xm. That examines what drives coaches on and off the sidelines we talked to coaches from all different sports, and all walks of life about their passion for the profession, their mentors, philosophies and stories, and also what they care about. When they're outside spotlight, we'll give you you meet perspective on some of the greats in their. Their profession from Olympic coaches to super bowl, champions and everyone in between new episodes out Wednesday on Sirius Xm Pandora and Apple Podcasts, congratulations are in order for not only your North American champion. Put your annex t heavyweight champion. He is now at the top of the mountain in on an xt, and judging from our phone calls today. Bully the rest SORTA. Everyone is talking about the one and only keithly keithly congratulations buddy. Thank you so very very much greetings and salutations. How are you doing? We're doing great teeth. You must be feeling pretty good this morning being a double champion. Right off the bat, how does it feel for you? What's it like? Take us through your thought process being able to be. On top of the food chain in Annex Day. I would say that it's a little surreal asthma who really set in just yet It's cool it. Seems a little brighter, a little more vibrant. Colorful And not inasmuch players like expected to be but. Overall on feeling quite excellent. I may even get up and get a little workout after this and. I'll just. To see what's going on the future, and especially what is right now? And this future is bright. Mark Henry is wanted to host on this show as well. He talked a lot when you first entered annexed. About when you were going to get an opportunity, when were you gonNa be on TV more? And then you took the most of your opportunity to the point. Now that you're in that championship batch last night. You know talk about just the last year and what a ride! It's been for you with an X T. Oh. Yeah, talk a little bit about this yesterday so so. Smoothly I recurrent product me about since it's kind of interested to learn a little bit loose refreshes. It's it's an interesting to go from. I was basically just giving nice was sprinkled in appear in there. and. There's just one opportunity to shore up in the match that. Came, in the form or Versus Dodge who who's obviously another excellent competitor? And from there it just kind of exploded not only with the WWe universe itself Blah. maybe maybe some is opened and they decided to give me more opportunities and. My only thought processes that each time I an opportunity would rear its head. My job was just to smash especially as I can and I. It's all been trying to do each time one came. To my best to make the most of each one. Keys in the World W. WWe, we. We know that it's about moments. What kind of moments we can create? Sometimes? It's not about the match. which was a bigger moment for you? Being face to face with brock listener at the royal rumble in January, or being able to hold those two championship belts up last night. So I would even add. I wouldn't even have survivor series to this list of of moments. But at the end of the day I don't think anything screams a moment louder than come in the first ever singles doubles champion at that. computes you. First Time in history. When you're when you're making history, I feel like that outlet as many things And I've asked my name in the history books as the first ever going American an index teach champion at the same time. I. Give all the credit. Roll moment and brock when it comes to those moments. But this one, here's my moments like this is it's it's a big deal, not only because you. A champion champion for over four hundred days and guy that's been grinding like nobody's business. Get an opportunity and make the most of this opportunity as well but then. Create history then. Who knows what happens after this to mean this is this is momentum this. Mash, actresses. Fortuitous That's I. Hope for capital on in ways, but even I have found just yet. You know Keith you know. We played that clip from last night where Mora was talking about your victory and you being a double champion, and also mentioned your grandmother and your grandmother down at you with those two championship titles above your head. I know that she was a big influence. You for you becoming a fan in pro wrestling in the first place. So what were some of your thoughts that were going through your mind? Where are you thinking of your grandmother when you're holding those titles belts above your head. I would say my mind was absolutely arrays racing in that because. That was a battle. Let's start with my body was already in so many different locations. Those probably one of the first things that once things settled down and I realized this is done. It's this is completes the end of its. That time, it's like okay now. What's on my mind is the next to the whole, the locker room and my grandmother and my coach. It's past. Matter of fact sooner. Stay before and. All of it came together in a very powerful feeling, very powerful moment and I think the combination of all these things is what makes it so special for me personally. You, know Keith I'm for I'M GONNA turn forty nine next week, so I've been watching pro wrestling for about forty years, and you just mentioned you know your mentor in your coach and you know we just recently lost as you said Keno killer. Tim Brooks and he was such an influence in the territories How much of an influence was he for you? And what were some of the things that he taught you? You know leading to to this great moment from last night. Well, first of all I would say congratulations an early happy birthday to you, Sir were. Ciller someone that of them lead influence in my career. warned a lot from a lot of different people on. Some going to remember. Those things those said to me living in passing or Moments where I was an extra backstage back in two thousand eight hundred eleven, whatever it may be and I may. Meet somebody in. Their brain and St. if I can kind of finagle some information out of them, they might give me a little trinkets of knowledge. And they don't realize it, but I cherish those little bits of knowledge and things I donald onto my career. chiller! From the very first moment, that's essentially told me I would be. An anomaly in this sports. told me. Right. Up the, Gates. I would do something special if I stuck with it. And for all the time I wasn't sure Things to him and for the guy that. With killer to do something physically than I have to tax lunch trainers. They're not big dame's or anything, but I will name this guys because they deserve it because without them. I wouldn't have developed in the way that I did at the speed that I did their names Paul. Ingram. And the others names Craig their. And without that trio of gentleman. I! Don't think I have anything like I am. Because a lot of my training was also very mental, not just physical things. In the mixture of these things a lot, the grow at what I would consider to be an exponential rates because I was able to fashion within two months of training. and. Decent? Easy solid matches and percent myself in a matter that was expected of someone who's only trained for two months so I give a lot of credit to those three guys who yes say the very least. The influence the killer has been monumental, massive, enormous and. I cherish is still very much to this day. Just like I cherish his families to. Keith. Obviously you're talking about killer. Tim Brooks and all of the other people that have helped you out along the way. You're lucky enough. To be surrounded by a lot of great wrestling minds. Mine's triple H Road Dogg. Shawn Michaels when it comes to learning the psychology of pro wrestling and the art form that goes on in the middle of that ring. Who Have you found to be the biggest help in? Who've learned from the most. Difficult. I would assume you know it's a lot of different brains and set with a lot of different people, and even just had random conversations at lunch to just learn what I can sponge up all I can. because I wasn't around a lot of these stars coming up. Like it, but If I had to say that someone else feeds the most. That credit would absolutely go to Terry Taylor. and. He has shapes a lot of. What you see today and I feel like he has been an enormous help. In learning different subtleties of the sports and Hopefully you know I think that I mastered the ball just yet but I think. They will continue to work on them. and. Hopefully be a shining bright star who also represented as I continue on, because he's someone that I appreciate it greatly I express it too often but I. don't know if he knows I appreciate it. So I will say that for sure. You, know Keith. We had a caller is e earlier on in the show? That said that she felt like you. Champion could take an x t to another level. Adam Cole was a great representation of Annex. T, but you're the type of champion that you know you could be a nickelodeon awards show. You could be on a daytime talk show because you have that type of character and that type of personality. And, also you look like. That old school, quintessential pro wrestler. What your size! And then surprising people with their quickness. Are you ready for that like? Are you ready now to to show what it's like to be a champion and wwe because I'm sure you know that being a champion and wwe. Just what you can do in the ring, but also we can do outside of the ring. You know being a part of radio interviews being apart of TV. Are you ready for that? Now that you're champion? Is just now. I, think I've been ready for that And I look forward to doing those things on 'cause teams like that or things that I. Enjoy those things. Enjoy influencing others. I enjoy. Giving nominate others and inspiring others doing my best to the. Kind of leader that will make some decent human beings. Because you maximum clearly. So many young minds as I can help. Predict or bill. Or empower with knowledge. Yeah, absolutely without question that I'm. Excited to also keep those things so. That I see breaking off. Keys when I watch you against the guy against a guy like die Jakovic I'm really impressed by what the two men of your size can do and do well and do clean and do safely when I watch you versus a Adam Cole I'm impressed by the psychology of the match and the work rate. which talent in annexed t has brought the best out of you whether that's in the middle of the ring whereas challenged you mentally in the back? This one. I to. GO AND DODGER CODEX Toba pushes me. According. To realms that I don't typically need vision to make sense so. A lot of what I eat. In terms of opponents to adapt to. To the person I am across. Any Athletes can tell you it. Sometimes, there are opponents. Push, you to another level and make you reach. Points in your abilities, but you know you can reach and dodger code they. Ability. with me and it starts with Dow against me. Eight immediately. Waste me up and it creates almost a different level of drill. And then when you have a guy that's just absolutes the Greek. Athletes. Hyper athlete whatever you WANNA car them. Heating is not going. To reach a little bit, because not only is. Able to do all these. Things but He's also resilient issue. Really are, and if you don't step up, you eat you alive. If you let. And then on the other end of the stick. was clear there is. Completely different flexibility? But is so smart. In the ring. When we talk about people being ring savvy, and we talk about people being bring generals talk about bringing awareness to me. I'm cold. On Planet. And I give some. Even when. I'M GONNA to host that shows us seeking their macroeconomics because. Rat Guy is someone even with everything with these pass. Respect. Me Straight on now, but look at where he pushed me. The guy is cracking the guy's smart guy. And He's aware he knows what he's about. Eight knows how to carry them stuff that he knows how to bring in the. That's all they really matters to me because competition is everything for you. So you know both of those guys are on different sides of the spectrum you will. Okay, we'll stick with these guys you talked about. You know you mentioned the size differences so when I see a guy like Dominic Jakovic take you off your feet. It's completely understandable because that's a big man. Take another big man off his feet. One good clothesline, one good punch I. Get it. When I see a guy like Adam Cole, taking you off your feet, sometimes and I've been a little critical about this on the show I say I say I wish Keith would. His size a little bit more. Do you feel that you're a little too generous? And is this something that ever concerns you working? Having to bump. A little bit too much for guys that are considerably smaller than you. so yeah, some times as a bit of a concern, but I think that I do my best to work within the realms of before the given. And I don't know. I personally took a unlocks to get all five feet. You never wrestled on television, so that was our first batch and I know that I got kids so many times. So to me. Not only I protect myself in that match, and please go back and watch it back. Guys a chance. and. He's been the champ for a long time. If one does not respect the person ringway. How can you receive respect back? So yeah in some concern all day because there are so many situations where there are size differences. But I don't think that. Being generous in creating a competitive atmosphere is necessarily harmful. Circumstances of that mixes. Well keithly. We really thank you for your time. Congratulations, Mark Henry. Just who's listening to the interview, just tweeted out that you're the future of the WWE I agree, but I also think you are are the now of the WWe as well double champion on an xt, congratulations and thanks so much for the time, and and again we really appreciate everything you're doing in and out of the rank. Thank you so much keithly few so much for having me. I'm Jay. Query of the INDYCAR Radio Network for Sirius Xm Sports Scott Dixon made it to two the twenty twenty NTT indycar series, taking the checkered flag of the Geomar Grand Prix at the Indianapolis Motor speedway. The series next takes the green flag for a double header in the dairyland race. One of the REV group Grand Prix at Road America in Elkhart Lake Wisconsin begins Saturday at five pm Eastern and can be heard on Sirius Channel to eleven, Xm channel tool five and the Sirius Xm. Just talked to keithly. Very very interesting answers from Keith lay. In the most okay, she'll do chill. Chill dude very chill chiller tired. I'm going to go with chill. Enough and here's why because when you're tired, you give kind of short answers. He didn't give short answers. He gave some interesting lengthy answers that I think we definitely can piggyback from after that interview, so you said a lot of interesting answers. Which one did you find most interesting? I thought what really hit me. The most was when he was talking about killer Tim Brooks and here's why he talked about killer Tim, Brooks. He talked about. Terry Taylor. We talk a lot here on busted open bully about some of the younger wrestlers, maybe not taking advantage of some of the veterans that are in the back listening to keithly. You could tell and he said it. He likes to pick the brain of the people who have been there done that when he meets some of the veterans in the back, he takes nuggets from everything that they say and he uses them. Even even said like you know maybe even putting some some of it in his back pocket to use later. To me, listening to Keithly, he's respectful. He understands the importance of those veterans. Any uses what those veteran say in his game. Later on I thought that was a really good answer by keithly. Listening to Keith Talk. And listening to him, tell the story about how killer Tim. Brooks told him you're going to be an anomaly in this business, you can be very different. He re. Do you remember the movie blue chips with Nick, Nolte and Shack Yup? Remember when they found shack. And Shack was just this raw untapped insane potential that nobody had ever seen. Yeah, it's it's kind of like Lee reminds me of in the beginning of his career. Like you know it's there the size. Is there the athletic be ability as there? We gotta get this guy in front of the right people. We gotTA fill his mind with the right information the right psychology, and then he'll make it, so he kind of reminded me of that. What was his name? Nathan Budo in blue chips and going on to become a star. I liked his answer about the about the coming off of his feet too much, I, I could tell that it is on his mind, and he needs to be more protective of it. And if he ever went up to raw or smackdown, it would be instilled upon him to be more protective of it especially, if a guy like brock. Has Intentions of working with you. Let's say brock takes a look at Keith, and say you're Keith in six months or a year. It's going to be me and you. Brock is GONNA. Tell a guy like keithly. Protect Yourself. Keep yourself credible. Come off your feet when it's the right time to come off your feet. And that's what makes keithly a more credible opponent for Brock leser because of a guy like coal, and I understand that Cole chopped him down last night. I wasn't necessarily talking about last night's match. As opposed to all of the keithly matches, I've seen with smaller guys. The more keithly keeps himself credible, the bigger that matches with a guy like brock or a guy like Roman or a guy like true or a guy like Brun. Another thing I loved what he said was when you talked about that moment where brock, and what was more important that face to face with brock and that interaction, with Roman, or what we had last night, and he said how important those moments were, but this moment was my moment, I really like that and the fact that like. This is like a personal goal achieve, but those seeds have been planted whenever there is going to be a story where Brock Leser they can always go back to that, but I know like where he was, and we talked about that, too. Where you know for a while. He wasn't even on TV and knowing that he was signed to NFC. It's like where's Keith Lee. Where's keithly and then taking advantage of those moments and the wake up? Call was with Dominic. Di Jakovic and how you know that guy could hit you and it wakes you up. I really think that was the moment because I know it from our show. Those matches with Dominic died Jakovic took keithly to another level. Interesting tweet that just came over the the old twitter machine we were just talking about keithly, being sounding extremely laid back and chill. Vanessa in Ontario says he's Leah so soft spoken that he forces you to listen to every word. He is saying I'm invested every time. That's good. That's Jake. Ask Quality where you make. People WanNA listen to you. It's not over the top. It's not yelling and screaming. It's not forced so. He's resonating with certain people by the way he comes off and listen bully. We've had interviews with wrestlers where you know they like. As soon as you hear them talk, you'll like Oh boy, they're not into this. We've had a couple of examples of that will like this. And at first when I first heard Keith lease voice on like Oh. Boy, this this is this is. This isn't going to go well until he gave his first answer and they he gave his first answer Vanessa's right like he's soft spoken. He's chill, but he gave you gold with his answers. He took it. Again like if this was a get yourself over Monday, not that keithly needs to get himself over by any stretch imagination. Just watch what he did last night, and he's already got himself over in the ring, but it's different getting yourself over in the ring, and then starting the talk shows and starting to do radio and starting to do TV. He makes you listen. He gave you gold. I remember every answer that he gave that was a very memorable interview, and he didn't need to scream and shout to get what he said over. He did it by his answers and being detailed. And you know what I also love, but what Keith Lee said. He called pro wrestling a sport. He didn't call it. Sports Entertainment. He didn't say our business. He didn't say the show. He called it a sport. It's very rare on this show that is a guest has called professional, wrestling a sport and a lot of times with wwe guest. We hear sports entertainment. You know what guys in our business we need to do that. He called it a sport very unique in two thousand and twenty bully I mean I I can understand the point of view, but the only place professional wrestling will ever be a sport is in the back. Because then it's really me. Verse you out in the ring. It's us together in the back. It's very shoe. I understand some people like to call pro wrestling sport I. Know You love the idea of hearing pro wrestling being called a sport as opposed to sports entertainment, but we have to be very honest with ourselves. When we look at professional wrestling, it is entertainment and sports entertainment is is a perfectly acceptable word for the art form that is pro wrestling the experts of MLB network. Radio Watch how you're leaning. If you're pitching, you're not lying so. So now you're listening power. You lose a straight Ryan Spill Board. You're going to have arm side run. You're not be as accurate you're. GonNa lose power. You'RE GONNA, lose watts. That's where we're at. It's no longer feel we can actually take data from force plates. They can show you. You're costing yourself. Energy Baseball talk at the next level MLB network Radio Sirius to nine Xm eighty nine, and on this Siriusxm keithly holding both belts great. That stood doctor per baker stole tonight. I'm sorry her getting hit with the piece of paper and selling it like she got hit with a sledgehammer to me was amazing. She's amazing. She comes on TV. Knows all taped up slack and blues under her I. May. We. Need we need a doctor Britt Baker Parody Song with? Give me a dog somebody. Get me a doctor. Are you ready to get to the bus? It opened Asian. Oh Yeah. Let's go to Jaden in Illinois Jaden. What did you think annexed the great American Bash? EXC- was better than AWS fast to in my opinion. By a very close margin because. I think it was fifty fifty eight w one week one and I feel we we to, but I think and I see overall has a better to shows. All right, so Jaden y give us the reason why that you felt that? Especially in night, number to annex, T had the advantage. Well it started out with a really good streetfight that. To me, be private party and hangman page and Omegas match by just a little bit, but it was a really good match thing. Put it all out the line and then. Johnny Gargano and Isaiah Swerve. Scott had a great match. And a w has some good matches in the Middle Soda NFC TNA he. That double title match at the end and it was perfect. It was a perfect ending keithly. And I. think that is the reason that NFC with a w, just a snitch. I liked that. Everyone is saying whether they pick Awa. They pick an essay that it was very very very close I again I think top to bottom. I would give the advantage to eighty W on number one and number two, but at the same time I gotTa give the advantage to annex t when it came to the main events and I. I gotTA GIVE THE EDGE TO ANNEX T. when it came to big moments, it was very very very close. Bully between the two shows the last to last two weeks. It really was and that's why you know I'm enjoying coming on the show and talking about all the positives that are going on because you know much like we talked about on Tuesdays. Tuesdays we got three hours of entertainment on Monday. We had four hours of entertainment last night. No matter what show you watched I or whatever you dvr it if you watch them at the same time, whatever lots of great stuff I think. The majority of our conversation is based on both shows opening matches and their main events. You know what are the? The most important matches on the card, the last one and the first one match where seeming to talk about the, and there was a lot of good in the I think Gargano and swerve Scott is kind of getting lost in the conversation, because of all of the other pomp and circumstance going on whether it's the women's street, fight or keithly and And And Coal, talking about Jericho and cassidy and we're talking about that opening tag tasr. Lots of good stuff happened last night. Whether you want no matter what show you watched Isaiah. I Love Isaiah. Swerve Scott I was I was really hoping to get the win. Because that win would have been a lot ties as Scott moving forward. I don't think if Johnny Gargano would have lost I. Don't think it would hurt him at all. I think I kind of feel like that was a missed opportunity on annex t last night. Let's go out to Bruce in Connecticut. Bruce what you think fighter fast great American Bass. Did you choose? I'm going to have to go with great American. Bash by a hair because. Look at the two weeks combined I. Definitely seemed like I'd give it a w but last night. Just add matchup between keithly and Adam Kohl's. Sold me completely. And overall tonight in general amazing to. You know what Bruce. Bruce really quick. I wonder if a e W got hurt last night because they did not have that. Brian Cage Jon Moxley match for the championship. I completely agree with you on that I think the. Fact that we missed out on that match definitely took away some of the it factor for. In terms of audience wise people wanted to see. Sat Championship match even though Jerry Cone. Jericho put on a show and made people literally, I in my opinion made. People pay attention to cassidy MORNA. Serious like now after that performance, but. It just didn't have that. Much of a factor compared to that championship match. All right Bruce well. Thanks for the phone call and thanks for the racking. It sounds like a lot of our fans. Bully are saying that e w one last week and t one this week, and then combined an t one in just a hair. Overall you like w better though last night, didn't you? From top to bottom, yes. Listen Fair! Enough I. It's hard. You Know I. Think it just GonNa. Come down to brand loyalty when it comes to this week I. Don't think any W. Fan is going to say an. He had the better show or any. Fan going to say w had the better show I'm enjoying listening to all the fans call in and give their own personal takes, and they all have pretty good reasons. Yeah, let's go out to Vinnie and Staten Island. Vinnie. AWRO ANNEX T, my friend. With aws because. That's actually pretty funny. Go ahead appreciating. Just shoved right up my. Backside, go ahead, vide- DISRESPECTFULLY! Not Talking. A little out of line. A little bit. I DRINK! Drake's are on how? You put. When you put up the books together any I? Don't know if you heard but I don't shy shoes no more. W The reason why they w more. At senior championship title that match self leave I call. Any takeover to me. Put themselves in a little bit of a pickle could see what they do going further is the tidal vacated and you're GonNa see a twin. IS GOING TO BE A. Title because. To. Me I think he's leash drive theater look American title to somebody who could carry a little while and him JC coal for a little while because I felt like they were panicking, but Bringing to the table and they're just like, let's just go right now. Because we all at annex. T happened last night. Terry courses. Working in the in the rear view mirror, and he's the guy that's GonNa pt's Lee later on. So. I think they they talk the ball a little bit. Keithly Kovac was phenomenal but w have. Better. A call it. Why is going into this? All, right Fini really good phone call in a great point by Bennie, because now you have both those titles. For on Keithly the North American Championship and the heavyweight championship. They could do like we've seen with Becky Lynch. Where you know key fleet goes up against carrying cross. It's just for the North American. Championship and carrying Cross keeps the North American Champ keithly continues to be the heavyweight championship. You kinda paint yourself into a corner when you have a champion holding onto to championship belts Dave. I'm not a fan of North American Championship. It's it's an inconsequential annex. T should not have to championships in my in my opinion, there should be the. Should just be the next t championship heavyweight championship. Whatever you WANNA, call it. What's the difference between the NFC championship and the North American, championship the North American Championship. I guess is just like the US championship or the Intercontinental Championship. Second there. I I don't. Even I don't want to disrespect the I think they do a good job of trying to keep credibility on that championship, so I don't want to say that, but okay. Yeah, you're right. It is secondary it just. It doesn't mean anything to me. I want a championship to have a clear cut. Definitive meaning I know why tag team. Has Attacked Him Championship I. Know Why the Women's champion I know why cruiserweight champion! What's the difference? Between next in the North American zero? I could care less if they got rid of it tomorrow. That's why I don't WanNa. See Keith Lee. Lose one and hold onto the other, because that just tells me that he loses one and not the other. He could've lost both at the same time. Listening catches Monday through. Saturday I'm busted open from nine am to noon eastern on Sirius Xm by nation channel fifty six busted open. Odd Cast.

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Toolbox for Life // Living a Lordship Lifestyle (Part 8)

Celebrate Community Church

04:06 min | Last month

Toolbox for Life // Living a Lordship Lifestyle (Part 8)

"Everybody this is keith lee. I'm the founding senior pastor of celebrate church in sioux falls south dakota and this is our podcast i just wanna say thank you for joining us and it is my prayer that this week's message would truly encourage you enjoy your guests. Don't want to say welcome surely been awesome especially if you're repeating guest that you've shared in this if you will a toolbox for life if you're joining us online if you're a first time let me just really. It's an honor for me that you will join us if you've got your bibles and one invite you to go to first john as you do. I read this internet piece. That simply said the declaration of independence total thirteen hundred words the gettysburg address. Total two hundred and eighty six words the ten commandments. One hundred seventy nine words. The lord's prayer sixty six words. The famed john three sixteen god so loved the world five words. I forgive you three words. I love you. Three words and the united states government regulation on the sale of cabbage. Twenty six thousand nine hundred. Eleven words have you ever heard the words less is more whole there. You have it there you have. It seems you can say a whole lot more in less than you can ever say with a whole lot more and by the way a recent poll proves it they simply asked americans. What word or phrase would you most want to hear sincerely stated or uttered to you and less was more anybody know what the number one phrase would be. I love you this or a word that you truly would want to hear. First and foremost came back from the poll. Is i love you. The second was you are forgiven. And the third believe it or not supper is ready now. What you think about that for a moment. Talk about a great description of god's church or at least it should be. I love you. I forgive you and supper is ready. I love you no matter what i forgive you for. Whatever you've done and let's share a meal together. What a picture of god's church in fact. I want you to turn to someone right now and repeat after me. I love you. I forgive you suffers on me there. You go. you're welcome. We've been in a series toolbox for life and really talking about vision and values and once again ru quickly want to help you with it every day you get up. You carry a toolbox around that toolboxes. Your vision you haven't because therefore is how you live if you will and in it are your tools by which you make your decisions you've values we're all carrying around a vision. It's why you do what you do. That's why you get up every day. It's why you call certain people your friend. It's why you date or married to who you are. It's why you point your kids in the direction you point them. It's your toolbox and your values and it's why you make every decision you make now. You can argue all you want. You can say i don't buy it.

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WKPWP Thursday Flagship: Keller & Powell talk Keith Lee, Orange Cassidy, AEW vs. NXT ratings, Extreme Rules hype, Mailbag topics, more

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

2:01:58 hr | 9 months ago

WKPWP Thursday Flagship: Keller & Powell talk Keith Lee, Orange Cassidy, AEW vs. NXT ratings, Extreme Rules hype, Mailbag topics, more

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You can be VIP member. She'll support for us, and we'll give you a lot of return including a streamline listening experience on your iphone or android device with the ADS and plugs removed. Go check it out. Cw Torch. INFO DOT COM. Now pw torch and spreaker bring you. The Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast. It's time for the weekly flagship talking current events in pro wrestling. So Keith. Lee is now the North American champion and the champion beating. Adam Cole ending the longest title reign when they first made that match. I feel guilty I was like they're not gonNA. Pay This off and have so shortly after creating a North American title. They're to merge and have one guy. Hold both belts. It's going to be a screw. We all know it I was. I was just like you know pretty darn sure of it and instead Nope, they. They Crown Keith a champion. He's got both belts. Other. They did a great job of the presentation and execution the match. I love the even like the. The enhanced the sound for Keith Lease Intro, but in a way that wasn't just obvious fake and the walking the corridor behind the scenes in the celebration afterwards with Confetti I mean I just thought they made. It seem like as big a moment you can make. It seem like when you don't have when you're not in a building in their normal. Place with across several hundred fans or a big arena for a takeover I, thought from a production standpoint they made it seem like a moment for keithly. They definitely did I. Love that shot of carry on cross, scarlet, watching from the booth above whatever that was I thought that was great I on. maniacal laugh. That was a little much but I. Definitely love that. I don't even know where they were in the building, but it made. It seem like this is a big arena, and they're up in the sky box looking down so i. don't know what what whole they carved out of some catwalk, but it looked at that look good to it did yeah the you know it's funny. You said that you didn't think they were gonNA. Pay This off going into this I'd said like. If you're going to make that clear, and if you're like eighty, W, you probably don't have to, but there because annex t is run by WWE. And they get kind of tied in with. Minced McMahon's booking. A lot of people can separate, but you still have that lingering thought that there's probably going to be carrying across interfering or some sort of a secure job. Guys are walking with the respective title. So why not just outright say there must be a winner? If! You're going to do a title change. Just tell people if if. One I guess either way it'd be. You're not giving anything away by saying there must be a winner. I would think that they would perhaps fear that. If they started doing that, it would be like Oh i. don't know. I'll just pick a random person Paul Heyman every time. He's going to tell the truth telling somebody I'm serious I'm not. I'm not working you. This is a shoot. I'm telling you the truth like you'd be like I. Can I just assume that when you talk normally like? Do you need to actually emphasized with four four adjectives that this this time? You're really talking like in a way, it would be sort of like giving away. Sorry, Paul but. it would be. It would be like I'm hardly talking out of school, but. It would be yeah. It'd be like well okay so the next time there's a big match and you don't say that I have reason to know going in. You're not going to do it. That would be the only reason not to. Stipulation wise I guess they'd have to come up with a way to make that true because if you make. Does that mean then that that? If the rest of undisputed era run out and attack East Lee there still be finished and they can't like I. I just don't know how you do that. Unless you. Just absolutely unless you just put a spoiler outgoing, we pre-tape the match and there is a new combined champion, but we're not telling you why I think you could get to a pretty easy. Both guys just agree you know. They want the other championship, and because it's dual to. To you know to for both titles in this case, we're GONNA. Say you know there must be a winner and if you WanNa go so far, this may spoil it a little bit, but if you wanted to go so far as to say, absolutely, no outside interference will be tolerated. I think that may have tipped at that. Okay. Keithly is going to win, because I don't think people can expect Adam Cole beat keithly clean, but I think I really do think you could have done it. I know what you're saying about. Future matches. Yeah, but I mean. This is a big one. Was for both championships. I I think for this case this time around. They have done it and been okay. Yeah, yeah Keithly as as the dual champion, does he end up giving up the north? American title and we get a tournament. I haven't heard what the plan is, but it seems weird to create a new singles title, and then not bother to You know not bothered to actually have separate champion I. Mean that'd be like cody merging with Moxley in a couple of weeks. It's like what was the point of all that yeah. I would think that we will I think there will be a tournament. It's been a pretty big deal. Pretty consistent thing across the companies that are running to tournaments because it does give just some added meaning to other ways fairly random matches and so that. It's logical. You know you can go back to your your head to the title back in the day when he won the intercontinental in wwf championship, you know there. There's kind of long-term precedent for that If you want to take that approach and then yeah, you create some interesting television with an eight-man or a sixteen man tournament on moving forward, maybe around the new in North American champion. It takeover. Summertime weekend. Yes so if if keithly keeps the next title for a while and I think he probably will. Is there someone make sense to give the North American title to let's jump far enough ahead. Who would be who would benefit from kind of having an exceeds equivalent of the I C title as sort of a way of saying all right? They're not topped here. We're not ready to. But if you give somebody that Merican tight say, we're not going to feed it as champion and have losing move you down. We're going to kind of protect you. With another championship for Awhile which is essentially what they did with keithly in the North American title. WHO JUMPS OUT? WHO's on that shortlist for Annex? T in that regard, I would say cross, but it sure looks like their foreshadowing him going after keithly a so if it's not him. I don't know if there's a strong candidate. That's really popping off the page at me, I mean you can always go back to Johnny Gargano. Almost feels above the North American champion. You could go there I kind of like. A weird way it goes against what I said, but Gargano, which you just mentioned a kind kinda like because it's a way to kind of reestablish him because I mean that Promo, he did were what the power couple of various calling himself I mean he's so obnoxious right now that if you put a secondary title on him, and you've got keithly as a baby face dominant Lee champion Gargano was the obnoxious. WHO's just pestering? Everybody is kind of guy you would wanna see. Damian preacher whomever let go after and try to take the belt from him, and I think people would be behind it. I think him as easily obnoxious heel champion. WHO's acting like? He is this deal and then that can actually build eventually to Gargano if both stick around long enough. Yeah I liked that It'd be a little a little below, even though they're so tied together I wouldn't say put it on. Chiampou was kind of disappeared lately. Yeah! I mean you try to make someone you could try to make a cameron grimes I. Don't think they'd be ready to do that with Isaiah Scott. They seem to have him lose as much as he wins, but another guy that you could make so. There's some candidates there, but. Maybe maybe that's the foreshadowing. They were doing. It's not that he's going after Keith Lease GonNa Cross go out to the North America. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm not sure. So, let's. Actually let's pause introduce ourselves, and then we'll get to my next topic here. This is the way Keller pro wrestling podcast. Our Thursday flagship edition for July ninth, two, thousand and twenty. Jason, the heat, the heat wave in the air conditioner through schedule, but have here a week later will maybe time. It's your back in a couple of weeks and we get you. We'll see how it all fits into the schedule, but good to have ear after a after four weeks instead of three back on the flagship. It's good to be here. It's even better to have central arrogant. 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You interviewed him. obviously it's a famous name, Brian, pullman. Big History in this business kinda. Keep waiting. To see what Brian Coleman Juniors landing places going to be in this industry it. Is he going? Just kind of you know? Be Kind of an MSW guy. kind of floats floats around, but doesn't ever. He's I. Don't hear his name landing on the radar of why isn't he signed? A one of the national cable shows? What's your evaluation of of of what his strengths are, and if anything has held him back from? Being in a position like Damian Priest for instance, or you know somebody who just like came out of nowhere to end up being why should say no where he was in our waitress? But like taking that route that priests took, and now he's on one of the major shows. Is that the path? He's on I. I think he's on the Path I. Think he's still very green. When L. W. signed him, he was still very very early in his career. And he's worked a lot of indies in addition to M. L. W.. And they're still moments. I haven't seen the dark match yet. The Awa dark match with Shawn Spears. Somebody in the industry said it was pretty rough, so. Tipped Judge for myself when I finally getting around seeing that I, it's been hit or miss with him and MSW. As far as his match, quality is concerned. You know he's I. Think he's only what a couple years in and two three years in something like that and so naturally and especially now with. Not being able to work those India dates to gain that experience I'm sure there's there's a rough factor there. So I think he's improved as talker. I think he's finding himself as a personality. I do think there's upside and I think it is probably with a w because he did want out of his MSW deal but they declined. The the deal with him is. He's working on one of the original contracts He said to be the last of the original contract. Guys who hasn't re-signed the new. Contract with different language basically was in the older contract was drawn before Awa existed, and so there's nothing there's no language in there blocking anyone that had had that deal in his case him from working for Awa. The newer deals do prevent that, so it's kind of. I was told. It's not the same, but I don't know the specifics. It seems very similar to what M J F and I think even Jimmy Havoc. We're doing. Were they both had w deals, but they were working for eighty W, and really the only thing that the only. Issue was that if anyone W had a date on, they get I dip, so there's conflicting dates, and they'll w would be allowed to would have the right to say to work for us. Not For aws that night, but I know even in the past. I think there may have been a conflict there with M J. F. and believe Anil. W may have let him work I don't know it kind of depends on where the relationship stands between these two companies right now I am not sure that it's is in a good is a good places it as it once was. I was wondering if they were gonNA kind of partner up in some fashion aws such a deep talent roster. And they only run shows once a week in normal times, so we're all these younger wrestlers gonNA. Get an opportunity to work, and they'll W. know would seem to be a pretty good fit. Not that they're gonNA get a ton of extra time there, but it's something, but so far. That hasn't happened. I think there may have been some ruffled feathers over AWA making a playboy, or or or the perception, because I don't know if they did or if it was used as leverage but Richard Holiday and Alex Hammer Stone I think both were ended up getting new. M., l. w. deals because the perception. If nothing else was that eight e w came a calling. So again. I don't know that there's great feelings between aws. Mo W right now, but with pelmet. It's not gonNA matter for. W does everything planned until October at the earliest doesn't sound like they're interested in running any shows until the pandemic is behind us. Yeah, yeah I mean he's after about three years in the business with the Brian Pullman name I don't get. What you said. Things are kind of rough, and you know working on promos and all that, but it seems like there's enough there heating training with Lance Storm, initially that he still seems like someone to have your eye on, but from what I've seen and again just kind of the buzz. It just sort of feels like he's a guy to keep an eye on, but he's not there yet. The idea of W and H W, working together makes a lot of sense to me unless they run into a point where they're competing where there's no exclusivity with some international TV deal, or if I don't know I mean, it just seems like with aws, not running a full schedule. Mel W being able to give guys extra work. It would be a a good fit so hopefully if it makes sense for both parties that can that can continue and there won't be A. That there won't be a petty dispute or something that gets blown out of proportion that keeps those two promotions from doing what's best for the wrestlers right absolutely and with Pimm and. Let me, ask you what if his last name was Smith instead of film and you think he'd be getting these opportunities right now. What's interesting is I think he's probably at the level. He deserves to be at based on everything, but his name and yet it feels like there's still rob potential there, but it's it feels Ron. This is not a good time to get better at what you do. Unfortunately terms of entering work because there's just so little of it. Yeah I I. I don't think he would have had the W. deal. When he did because again, he was so early in his career, but I can see know about now if he was certain, make a name for himself on the. That you know he w isn't afraid to bring in some inexperienced talent, and and hope that they're gonNA improve under their wash so I could see that happening now, but no guarantee for. Their certainly I think a lot of work to be done for him, but but you know. Hopefully he's going to put that work in and live up to the potential yep. Yep I agree. I'm rich van host of the deep dive with Rich Fan. A weekly part of the POW Torch Valey cast lineup of shirts, search POW, torch, apple, podcasts or cast doubts. Subscribe every Saturday at six PM. Eastern I dive in with guests for an hour and anything in the world of wrestling or wrestling related want to hear about the influence of historical figures like big Cat Ernie Ladd. We got you WanNa hear about how crazy marine movies we are on it. No top is too big or too small, so if you want to dive in with this call in live or listen on demand and the entire PW torch daily cast schedule at pw towards daily Casper Dot Com. All right. Let's. Let's step back and look at the big picture of great. American Bash infighter fest. Did it live up to the? Going in who do you think? Deliver if it did one group deliver better than the other in terms of making it feel like a special four. Our two week to two pairs of two hour shows over two week four hour that I guess I feel like a w was more consistent from start to finish bolt weeks. If you WANNA, look at him as a two week Combo annexed. He had some kind of filler matches in their more than eight of you did. You know. Denial rose handicap match. Guess was to a point, but you know they just kind of threw Bronson. Read and Tony Niece out there. and Mercedes Martinez debut match review I guess but. So, but they x t also paid it off with the big. Two week closing main event that Awa was missing just because of the Moxley situation so. I think it was a good two weeks for both companies. I was I was more pressed by Annex. T than aws making it feel like a bigger event. I think that with fighter I. It was the announcers in Hawaiian shirts and the logo in the background, but otherwise it sort of felt like the early aws point camera the ring. I mean it did a little little bit of talk. You know the Tas- F. T. W.. F. T. W. title reveal the The the angle they did with with big swell, but for the most part it's Kinda. Points at the ring can do it like just when when Cassie and Chris Jericho came out last night. It was like. They didn't even talk about it. They didn't build it up. They didn't and I. Know they want it. You know there there's this. I think there's concern. If you run video package, we're going GONNA flip over to annex t because people tuning in already know that stuff, but just like Keith Lee walking the aisle in the back in showing that you can go in and out of commercial breaks and show something that gets people more excited whether. Whether, it's a live shot of Jericho overcast, or if it's a really short, but I'll packs a of punch in in seconds of something that gets excited about orange cassidy jerk, facing often to me, just sort of aimed camera at the ring and aired the the raw footage feel as produced to me and like we talked about the production value in again. They had a world title metric. Who knows what they plan for Brian Cage Moxie. They had an unfair advantage because I blame wwe because over Rene Young's working conditions. I I I'm more apt to blame doty than than aid W. it's ironic that WBZ. Sloppy ship is actually cost a w their main event for this big too weak ratings period more than that more than anything. So. Who knows what they had plan? But I just wanted a little more I mean. Yeah, the women and the bikinis at ringside or whatever but. I don't know to me. It felt like in terms of carrying out the theme of it being a big deal. I thought that exte- ultimately delivered. More big a more of a big show vibe moment more big show vibe moments, although like you said Bronson read trying to get a little little credibility back with a win. SORTA felt to me like okay. Would that really be on up show? Would that really be automatic big show? Yeah, and that's what aws just a little more consistent from start to finish with their shows and you're getting. To title to tag huddle matches on those episodes. And then the hot eight man tag. They had last night I. I enjoyed I. Think I just enjoyed a w start to finish more, but I would agree that annexed. Probably I'd definitely with the. Show closing angle on Wednesday or the show closing match had the bigger moment and even. A case can be made the week before for Kyrie say Kyri, but. not Cheetah and non bouncing all over the place with my Japanese female wrestlers, the EEOC Ryan and and Sasha Banks Mash. That felt pretty damn cool. See those to go at it, so yeah, they definitely did load up their main events. And with you when it comes to. Think just across the board Awa needs to improve there. They do a good job of it's a title match, but that week where everyone was so surprised that their number dropped and all this, I really wasn't for a couple of reasons. Number one the the three shows leading up to the week were annex. T finally passed them in viewership I just thought they were Kinda home shows. They were there. They were okay. But it was like we gotta pick it up a little bit here, guys and then that week. I didn't know the main event segment was and. Writing a Hitless watching this show. Maybe I missed something, but it was the week where there had the Jericho and Orange Cassidy confrontation and I when they went to match before which I think was Matt Hardy and it, Santana I looked at the clock I'm like is this. I had no idea that they were doing Jericho and cassidy and I just think they got. They need to improve when it comes to letting you know what our main event is, and so not just for fighter vested across the Board. And then when it comes to fire fest I, don't get the concept anymore. I got it last year, and the big felt a little late to do the spoof of the fire festival, and now here we are year later and we're. We're keeping the name why. Yeah I. Think they want to have an annual tradition, but they couldn't do anything. Outside of the normal dailies place, so they just kept the name of thought it would be a ratings boost if they featured a world title match. With Moxley as kind of a centerpiece of a two week event, and then he came in, and said well it's around the fourth of July we are. We like to rub in the face a cody. We've got the rights to the bash name We just did a in your house throwback, so we have plausible deniability that this is just what we do and so let's let's counter them. You know it's. I mean how to me. It's like I think that's fair. I mean honestly I mean. I, don't think like Oh. You should've let aws. This isn't like survivor series being predatory. Move knowing they. Would get bumped off. The cable pay per view providers in the leveraging a wrestlemainia inclusion with it. Didn't feel predatory. This felt like a spirited competition. Those totally fair game. Even going on Wednesday nights. Awa Wannabe on Wednesday, but the kind of had to be with the TNT deal, and yes, it was annexed east night, and the could moved to Tuesdays if they wanted to ensure they have. I mean if they can say hey. Wednesdays are night. We wanted to be on national cable. We liked the idea if we can spread the shows out so raw smackdown and annexed. He aren't on back-to-back nights to me. If you eat race Awa from the equation, you said hey annexed. He's going to have to our show on Wednesdays when smacked. On Fridays I'll be like. Oh, that's totally logical, not shocked. It just so happened that they started. Before W on that night, and it might have accelerated their plans, but I thought that was fair. I don't look at that as Oh, you know you're the industry I think that had competition in theory should make make the shows better in their much delayed viewing now people can catch up so. I looked at this as a fun midsummer two week head to head battle with a little bit of a letdown with the Moxley News. Having to delay things, but it just makes now turns it into three week event and annexed next week. They've already announced a couple of matches and it's feels like next week. Show next week's battle is pretty big already, although it does seem like a W, we'll have the advantage with so much hype for cage mocks. I think so too. I think they will have the advantage next week. Assuming actually can be there I. Guess we saw she. There was nothing announced this week which I take as good news, but. I the best single single-game accent because they did establish the name. So you're right. I just hope like this, is it if if you WANNA do kind of a phone spoof thing every year? Be Current with a great i. just don't think there's any real value in the fighter fest named going forward, and it's all you know. It was confusing last year when you go from fighter, festive fight to the fallen and they're doing it again this year. Scrap fighter fest, it just bash at the beach. Great American Bash Yeah. INEX- Teesside. I have no problem with them. Running the bash opposite I, don't, but you don't always want. Be The one that looks like you're reacting. You gotta be. You need to be the one holding a special show and let the other side react if they choose to. E can't just be the one. Oh, they're doing it, so we're GONNA. Do it, too, I think. It does look that. Yeah. I think that's I think that's very fair. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, join me Jason Powell hosted plea weekly Pro Wrestling Boone podcast each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members, plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the restaurant industry subscribe an it stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps or visit us directly at pw boom dot com once again. That's PWB DOT COM. I want to sleep for a minute. is where are you on on his performance personality? In what it means to be the first guy to hold both of these titles like. Is this grooming him for a glorious debut when they get back in front of live live fans at some point in two, thousand, twenty, twenty, twenty, one for wwe. What how do you? So? How do you frame what this means and how he's coming along? And really surprised. It's him in annex. T rather than Matt Riddle. They all counts events loved keithly when he worked was made those the rumble, and and I think there was another appearance, maybe survivor, series or something, and so I always thought he would beat riddle to the main roster and. I I. Really. I was optimistic that they were going to push him aggressively. But they they went with riddle and Lee is a great pick to be next champion. I think it's. I think he's ready for it I. He's a really intriguing personality. He's a different kind of a cat and I. Think it stands out like even when you hear his promos a little bit different, but it's unique to him. Culturally you know if given everything that's happened in the world. Let's not ignore that that's you know I. Think it's a good timing with that I. Think it would have happened anyway. Don't think they're doing it for that reason. Fly with everything going on with black matter, but I think it helps I it it. Certainly, it's a good look for them and. He wasn't the right guide. Say No, don't reach for something like that, but he is I. Think He's definitely the guy to build around and adult like it was time for Adam calls end. Yeah I do too Do you think Adam Cole up on the main roster? Because of this title us or Watching like Gargano. Regroup reset himself after being a main event guy in title matches and takeover matches, and now he's he's in a different role, and I think it's a good using them well, and I think it's fresh, frantic team, and not have them in the top top match is do undisputed era stick around and exterior. Do you think this is the time to give a shot in the arm Derartu MAC with New Hill Group? I fear. What would happen Cole if? He went to the main roster I just? It's only because of his height, and it's ridiculous. It shouldn't matter, but we've just seen it time and time again and I don't have faith in Vince, McMahon. To fully embrace Adam Cold, undisputed heir as a whole. I love to be proven wrong I think it's more likely that he stays. And maybe we get kind of a a fracture with undisputed air. Maybe it's time for an Adam. Cole baby-faced turn and I know there's going to be people out there I. Think People are looking at when he signed and assuming his deal is coming to an end, and that's part of the reason. They turned the title off him. I I've already has another year left on the deal I can't swear by it, but that's what I heard and so if he does. You know you a plan on coming up with something fresh for him and I think that's a a baby. Face. Prone is intriguing especially now that you do have. Carry on cross there to kind of become that top heel for the company and and if you WanNa, have some infighting amongst the undisputed era. That's cool I mean ideally Connell Riley able to wrestle as part of this but I. Don't think that's happening anytime soon. But yeah, that's the direction that I'm I'm kind of leaning toward as far as just kind of guessing where they go with him more so the main roster. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued with with the lay of the land going forward with them. I wanted to do an email here. and. What we're kind of talking about the Wednesday night battle This reminds Jason beat. Who Says I'M ON DAY? Five of being a POW torch VIP member I am loving it. Thank you Jason Very. Much appreciate it. He says I. Hope You're well. What are your thoughts on Tony Kahn's twitter hype? In the past few months, greatest empty arena match Christianism Orange Cassidy is one of the best meat events you'll ever see on. TV for free tasks will make an announcer that I guarantee will send shockwaves through the pro wrestling through the world pro wrestling now I agree you need to promote hyper shows, but is this getting a dixie Carter territory of over hyping and under delivery? Jason Yeah. What do you think of Tony Kahn that specifically in kind of his public image? Now that we're you know as far into him being A. Very significant figure in this industry. I think only needs to pull back when it comes to that sort of thing. The difference between him, and while there are many differences, but when it comes to this sort of thing, the difference between him and Dixie. I don't think Dixie new any better. I, don't think she was trying to pump something up our officially as much as she just thought it was I mean. She thought they had the greatest roster as he. Famously told you in an interview it. Did? She thought they had the best roster on the planet or something along those lines. That's at a time when they were wrestling third on. Third of national shows. Right and Tony. He knows better I mean. It doesn't mean he's not falling in love with what he's seeing I mean he made genuinely believe this. It's possible, but yeah. I kind of looked at it like they don't have a main event because of the democracy situation, and so they're probably over hyping this and they did. It was a good I. Think wasn't Jaregui. Even among part of this making it seem like it was one of the best match of his career and I started an audio on the after the. The show like if you put together like a compilation DVD or whatever you WanNa say, or Chris Jericho's twenty five greatest matches. That match wouldn't be on their. Come on, so I mean I think it's going to heavy into promoter mode. You want to save that for when it counts it. This wasn't an agreed is when they over hyped Moxley and Haggar I, thought man. It's all subjective may have meant it, but I watched that match in the over hype damaged it. I didn't feel like the the over hyping. Jerko and cassidy was damaging. Anyway this time around because I thought it was a good enough match, but it yeah damage other one and the announcement. I'm like that's it okay, great and kind of cool to see the old title, but I didn't even liked the title the first time around I guess I'm being open. Minded because I want to see what they do with the title, but I I was like when he introduced the F.. Twa Championship NCW's link. Whatever, it just never did anything for me, yeah! I sometimes think Tony Kahn's childhood so to speak. Is He's very focused on what was a big deal to him and I think there are times where he's over estimating. How much some things? That meant a lot to him. Mean to others, and this may have been. You know you had tasks to the and that was a big deal for Tasman. They're like this'll be great I'm all for you know having a surprise on a reveal, but I I think it was fine to do it. I'm not I'm no way against the title. I think I am the. That's that's the thing. Shock waves through the world of professional wrestling to me. That is you know he's coming out of retirement, or or even that might not be shockwaves, but and we know that's not happening or you know. Moxley is having to give up the title or something and and. They had a belt with interesting I. Know Yeah, so. Yeah and then, and then it also almost like a copy of not a copy, but. A Better version. Of what did with the title belt which was still? An would move is dealing with the TNA title. Yes. Yes, in what Nick blocking. Winkle did with with AWA title Stan Hansen right over the belt. That's right. Got That in our. Members We're about to go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks? Why deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member, support the weight Keller pro wrestling podcasts. Wait Tiller, progressing post shows the Peterlee torch daily cast in the entire team and everything that we do and get a ton of return for your membership by becoming VIP member. Go to PW TORCH VIP Info Dot Com for full details, thirty plus years of archives of podcast Retro Radio. Shows over sixteen hundred back issues of. Of the progressing towards weekly newsletter, a fascinating march through our coverage of wrestling history and so much more including ad free versions of the week podcast week both shows N. p. w.. Torch daily casts and several exclusive VIP podcast just about every day dozens of VIP exclusive podcast. You're not hearing because you're not a VIP member, so go VIP PW torch, VIP INFO, dot, com subscribe to our VIP, podcast feed, and listen in a streamlined way with no interruptions to Oliver podcasts again. That's torch VIP INFO DOT COM. All Right Kathy. Let me, go get setting aside the over hype. Those really good match I thought that orange yesterday. It didn't seem ridiculous. Lasted that long with him I thought George lasted too long with Land Sir. Even those good match in Joey played well. I think that pulled. Pulled Archer down more than it was able to uplift. Giannella. But with Orange Cassidy I. Don't think it pulled Jericho down. I think it. It gave it elevated Orange Cassidy as more than than a hapless. Gimmicky sidekick character, who's in over his head against Jericho. I thought they told the story well and gave a time to breathe. And Orange Cassidy played his part where you know when we talk about who could be a down the line because they've got a long way to go in terms of telling the story, but a t and t champion I, think words cassidy sort of a candidate for being at that level where I think people would see him now as someone who might eventually coach goes, healer drops the belt to throw in the mix in the cluster of people you might think would get a good elevation, and it would be worth having a sort of the equivalent of a TV champion, but there's other things you can do with them, too I thought that was a boost for. Definitely I am ready for that character to evolve I don't need as much of the hands in the pockets. It's fun and spurts during matches. Don't get me wrong. It's more so the attitude It's the. He's too cool for. And he may try and smash the May. Not Let let's let's make a little more serious now I because I think. When he was introduced, there was a carryover from the independent scene, and they did eliminate some of the things that were super indirect that we're on the indie scene, but you just you know the the people actually selling the the light kicks and slow motion. Stuff I'm happy that they didn't bring that with. Even though it was fine for when it was the DC, but I think this character has major potential people have really seemed to fall for this character. And I think they've convinced themselves. It's because of some of the aspects you know. The pockets thing and the pocketing is cute. And and it's the leg kids and it's just you know again so laid back and all this. I think would really react when it's time to for him to fire up and kind of abandoned some of this, you can still keep the the look. There's a coolness there to him. But I wanNA see him evolve. I think it's time. I I'm with you and I. I don't think he should when it's. He's at a thirty. He comes across guys. Mid Twenties got all the time in the world, but it's like I think this is you want to seize on on what he has and what he can bring and what he showed in Jericho match seize on that and tournament is something that people could take more seriously right away. Yeah I'm ready for it I. I I don't understand the backlash against a guy but I think if you do. Eliminate some of those things, and just to have that character evolve. You'RE GONNA. Take away some of the complaints that people do have and we'll find out in a hurry already complaining just to complain, or are they going to be content? When if there are some changes made, but yeah I think he's turned out to be in for a guy that I think. A lot of people were unsure like. Why are they bringing this guy and he's turned out to be a a real. Just key acquisition for them he he's I think he's over more than jungle. Boy Who I mean long-term jungle boy is going to be just fine. I think just some of the people. The younger talented people expected. To be a bigger deal. He surpassed a number of them I great. Her manager. I don't want it to be Vickie Guerrero I. No interest in that it just doesn't. Look if they use Vicky for something. That's great if they can find the right thing I, just don't think this, is it? I mentioned in my audio maybe an awesome. Kong! And it seems weird because she's going to be bigger NYLA and that may be a reason not to do it that you know you. You don't want your monster to be warped by her manager on, but I think people think of Awesome Kong as the the silent one who needs somebody to talk for her well. If you've ever watched glow, she actually held talker. She's a really good actress, but I don't know if that's if that's who it is I'm Jay Bornet my dining weekly co host? He mentioned Jake Roberts like he has kind of a monster factoring going like the old legion of doom or something with. archer, and then you know nylon on the women's side, and you kind of add to that I'd be okay with that, but I mean. Do you get a sense that somebody that's with the company, or they're introducing someone new I have no sense, so yeah, Yeah I. Don't know I'm I'm intrigued I think that's a good thing to throw out there. It was appointed camera at the ring and let the rest of their type show, but it gave us just enough talking points with F. T. Nyla rose, and then the big swollen goal. And by the way I'm getting inundated, but I did get messages from people telling me fax machines are still in use in under certain in under what circumstances so I thought that was a funny dated reference, and it turns out. I asked last night people to tell me if they actually have used a fax machine in the last year and a few people have so. We were laughing about that our audio. We figured like dealing with the government the US government. It is a more secure way. Sometimes decided document. Somebody had to do it recently and. Does something off going to their closet. I've still got it, I, I don't give away my fax machine. I assume it's to work. Plugged it in although if I don't have like a hardline. Phone than it, is, useless. Unless, there's a way to like attached to your Wifi or something I suppose yeah. Yeah Yeah! So I I still have my landline bridge over. We'll find out. Yes so Let's see here. Next week. Luce brose against? The. Former revived between now that we got the F. D.. W. Belt back that we got the revival need to update their name. What's what's the deal with that Jason? Already made their type on my hit list. I didn't even feel bad. I'm like this is just GonNa just got used to FDR. This is going to keep happening until they pay one or the other I know so I hope they do but That's of next week having that tag match and Moxley and Brian Cage. I mean just that as a one two punch. It feels like a fight for the fallen has a better top two matches in terms of kind of marquee. Matches then maybe the last two weeks did. I. Mean I'm not saying like that wasn't a great man tag match in Jericho Cassidy. Was a lot of fun in the title match, but even like Omega, paging is private party felt sort of you know felt didn't feel like pay per view felt like a match. You might see on TV anyway, but Next week lineup looks good FDR your thoughts. I can't wait for that match there's. The matches being sort of an olive wrestling right now the mashes and most looking forward to that one and carry on cross and keithly. Those are going to be outstanding and we're GONNA have to wait a while for one and obviously you know young box in FDR. There's a number of teams I wanNA. See FDR work with I'm really excited about them in a w, but this one. I don't know what to expect because they just were complete opposite styles so. FDR likes to traditional tag team wrestling clearly Penton Phoenix. Do not care. They just work a different style so just that alone, but I mean I think it has the potential to be outstanding. I can't wait for that, yeah. All right anything else from aws t jason. Oh Man! Let's see a W. trying to think if there is anything else on. The list in front of you. Of all the shows or on the show. Here I can pull it up just in case So with the couch, go eighty W I. I really thought Private Party delivered. I thought this was. A lot of its who they're in there with with Omega and page. I enjoyed that match a lot more than I did the main event of the previous show with best friend's private party of a lot more upside. That's team. Get them in there with FDR. I wish they could do like a three month. You know how to just set up how shows together? Because FDR would really help them when it comes to slowing down and making their spots count with what this match was too big spot fest great job. Cold Command. Thing was okay, but yet totally with you on. The Joey, genetic thing I. It seems like I mean I know. They're working singles, too, but it seems like they're putting. Annella Sony Kissed together as a tag team why you would have joey. Eleven minutes with Archer I. Just don't get and that's coming from somebody who didn't follow him. NBC W! I think there's probably some fans out there. Who did WHO PROBLEM WE? Thought this was right, but I think to the rest of the world, and there's probably a lot more people out there than that didn't see it. Just didn't make sense. It just didn't. It wasn't believable. They lost me on the big wall suspension kind of dumb. You can steal the FDR truck for week. But you can't kidnap someone for a few seconds I I don't know. But and then. She's. She drives three and a half hours to be there for the last fifty minutes of the show. Yeah, that's true. Yeah so I guess we're the main talking points from there and then annexed t. I mean I gave street fight a hit. Kind of over wwe hardcore way. Not I. Don't know what you think I think some of it. is seeing. The just more the bloodier brawls in aws. I'm not talking mock. Legionella Insanity, but just you know there's a little bit of blood there now. When I see wwe using this same usual list of weapons, they always use, and there's noble it. It looks Hokey to me. Yeah, yeah, that's A. That's a valid point and I think it's probably what aws kind of hoping happens. Yeah Shady's Martinez was flying or when Scott was fine. Yeah, I, I think that pretty much covers it I wish they'd repackage Tony. Nason give the guy haircut having trimmed beard, and he's a talented dude, but it's better graphics package coming into that just screams Bushley. Yeah, you can't be the premier athlete when you've lost seven hundred matches in a row shopping. Yeah, you become a parody. Self us. Unin self-aware parody is is what it comes across Yep Yep. 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Stephen from leaded Ontario was a planned for fighter fest and fight for the and always to have them as very special episodes of Donna might, or is this just Kobe thing, and they were going to be standing events on a Saturday night like last year. Also he's going to stick with the four pay per VCR. Thing doesn't seem odd to have these two random clash like events in July. Kind of touched on that earlier Jason a little bit, but having a back to back, you know with fight in the title of Bash at the beach in Bashes, a little weird, but I do I. Expect that they would have been. I could see fight for the fallen being a dynamite theme, and then fighter being weekend event under normal circumstances. What do you think are? What are you know? Okay so fight fighter fast was originally going to be a w's debut in England Tony. Kahn said that I think after the last media's grammar so. I think the online one that they did. Because Koby, couldn't they? Weren't doing the in person scrum, but yeah, that was original plan I assume London. He never said the venue, but they were GONNA do I. Don't know if it's GonNa, be a pay per view or it was gonna be another. Special Yeah, yeah thanks I think was probably going to be that, and then the I mean the bash was obviously just reactionary, but and then fight for the fall and I don't know I. Don't know why they if they just decided well, we can't have our main event right away. What let's try to make this next show feels like. Something bigger than just dynamite to because we're going to have that AWA title National I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm not either. But yeah, I I, Give Them A. Pass on all this you know I. Mean they're just trying to do what they do I hopefully we get. numbers I don't know what July fourth. Do you think we're going I? Think we'll be on time with getting numbers today. Oh Yeah. I, don't have them yet. So what? What do we? What do we? What do we see? I don't have any demos, but an xt wins seven hundred and fifty nine thousand viewers. Let again aws seven hundred. Fifteen Wow it's your don. I just I just got the email lamented going just I just checked again so brake job. Mole chills down. Yes so awa from seven fifty one down to fifteen in total viewership and ex team went from seven, hundred four to seven fifty nine. So, yeah, I mean actually gets the total viewership win, but then in the mail eighteen to thirty four demo with two one margin for eight W. which is bigger than the last one point two five for mail to thirty four compared to point one three for an t so eight. You grew quite a bit in the mail eighteen to thirty four demo. I don't. That's Orange Cassidy related or young bucks and F- tr or what? But that's that's a big jump. Because stayed steady at point one two last week, point one three last week in the demo that counts that really counts eighteen forty nine eight w point to wait and x t point two zero. That is almost the same as last week point two nine for Awa last week so down an insignificant one one hundred and annexed down insignificant to one hundred from point two to two point two. Oh, so I. Don't know I look at these at first glance and think this is about what I would have expected honestly. Not Show's going down, but in terms of annex t winning by a of know a little bit in terms of total viewership at eight, keeping the demographic lead. Because last week, it was nearly fifty thousand difference in this week, also nearly fifty thousand difference in total viewership. Would you I, mean you almost call it a tie when you factor in the total viewership compared to the demos. Yet is each side. I mean Saudi interests that art you know waiting need explain to people the total viewership number. Is Not relevant to TV, we buy because he's in that business like we by demographics and TNT is absolutely have happier than USA network because of their demographic strength now from a standpoint of Like being arrested promotion tried to sell tickets and sell pay per views, the total audience number matters, and so if you're on either side if you're on either extreme That's bad. You know what I mean. 'CAUSE, 'cause it both count, but both count differently. If you're arresting company you want. You want both to make to make your network partner happy. And if that's your main driving source, you want the demographic wind, but if you're trying to sell pay per views, merchandise sell tickets to events, people under eighteen and over forty nine count, and they help, and it helps to have them, so it is, it is in that sense. Okay yeah, that would be that I. think that's a very fair tick. By the way in the total viewership last week after three days Awa took the lead nine twenty five to nine eleven. So Awa grew more in into labor ship over the course of three days. Now? Has a disadvantage of twenty four hours later, being on WB NETWORK SO IF PEOPLE DELAY WHY ANNEX T. It doesn't show up. Those numbers 'cause. WB network is not tracked by Nielsen. WB doesn't share that data with them. Just isn't it's apples to oranges in most cases, but here there's a little bit of an offset however the previous week. And he kept its lead ninety seven to eight Oh nine. In terms of hundreds of thousands of people are seven thousand next he one. Oh, compared to eight, hundred, nine, thousand, so. W had a nice little comeback. So for whatever reason people chose to watch and st live last week. But instead of Awa, but then for whatever reason they caught up on W. afterwards in a pretty a pretty big way. So, there we have. There's our midshow ratings update. Jason, let's let's switch to some to be raw smackdown. Talk on the Monday are just kind of the build up to extreme rules, Hor show we can go any number of places, but the one of the talking points out Roy was high for stipulation and people Kinda. Yes, rolling their eyes at at that. Your thought on the story. They're telling South and ray and Dominic, and if that stipulation had even though people are kind again I, it sounds like a but rolling their eyes at it. Is it enough to maybe hope people to go? ooh, I wonder what that ultimately has, even though they're making fun of it. They kind of want to see what it means. A sure, but you know what so is going to drop crown in the middle of the rent I. Mean Come on. Where does this end? In terms of in terms of what The freakshow aspect and I'm not even talking freakshow in terms of there's going to be an eye plucked out. Yeah, just W- WWE's approach to this is. At some point, don't you just say? What we did really good storylines and really good matches and see what happens, but they don't. They go for this freak show. Stop Fights and greatest match ever. Come on this, and now I mean the comedy that. Vince Vince McMahon winds about blood and guts and he's doing this. I mean we haven't seen it yet. We don't know what it is, but they're telling you. If someone's GonNa have an eye gouged out, this is awful. Yes, yeah I. Don't get what they're. What they were implying what they want people to think, and then how they pay it off without it being just hokey. As far as just ray and seth goes as a feud. How do you grade the other aspects of this? Besides that stipulation in terms of SESPE? promos this usage of ray at the stage of his career in the involvement of of Dominic. I, give it a B. I've enjoyed that. It's not as bad as my frustration over what they did to Randy Orton Edge, because I think those two on their own did a hell job, and then they were saddled with that stupid gimmick, a of having the greatest match. Ever I'm this I'm not as in. This. It's a notch below that F delivered some amazing promos Randy Ordonez down some of the best work of his career I I think it's great that raise. Being position is a legend that they've been much better with that sets character. I kinda go back and forth. There's there's a repetitiveness to it and I just don't know how much more we can get out of this already running out of fresh promo material you know. What's IT GONNA be we still going to be hearing about the greater good of of raw eight months from now or something, but yeah, I mean I. I was generally looking forward to seth against Ray in a singles match, or at some tag match including Dominic but as soon as they. Someone's going to get an eye. Gouge down like this is dumb. Yeah. I think that was risky, and maybe they're going. After the nine to eleven year old demographic who aren't going to necessarily. See the the reality versus the hawkiness of it. So then a dramatic McIntyre sigler special stipulation dolf smartest he'll ever. Why should I tell you ahead of time? Yeah. That's true. But in terms of I mean the stipulation he picks. It's like if it's not eye for an eye. It's going to seem like why didn't like like. Why didn't you pick I? Get to bring a knife to the ring like. They should have a parameter that says if you get to pick the stipulation, it has to be a prior sanction. WWe stipulation like just say that, so we know that it isn't. Oh. I get to have six people with me. As partners in your hands are tied behind your back and you're blindfolded. And we're just GONNA. Make you barefoot, so the visit man can be fascinated by it and have a long form interview you talking about it. So. Nevertheless nevertheless. I would still assume that drew. McIntyre is going to beat him. Yes, that's true but I. Don't know what you can do. That would make that would make the stipulation. More intriguing than having it be missed because we're suckers for mysteries, mystery partners Mr. steps I'm fine with it and I think it's logical for to take that approach. I don't mind waiting I I can't say that. I'm sitting here on pins and needles waiting to find out. But. Yeah, I mean just kind of like the The national roasting. There's no reason to I. Am an avid manager and here he or she is like not make us wait a little bit. That's fine YEP YEP I agree. So. Let's see the bronze Roman bright. Bright White. Cinematic match swamp fight. I think this works for me. In terms of these two in a midsummer pay-per-view, non title playoff their history. You're not spending a fiend match. On a midsummer pay per view, I mean you certainly could call it or show certainly fit, but having a Swat match going back to the prior gimmick and their relationship I mean for the way he wants to tell the story with broad and Bray I think this is five. And I guess Bray doesn't want the title because I mean. This was bronze idea. You'd think he'd be like your ideal your title on the line we do it, but now it's just a non title match. Do you? Do you think the cinematic match is going back to that too soon? Or when you look at this lineup and try to keep that be network subscribers? It makes us try to throw what you can out there. And I thought this was. Just resigned myself to. We're going to have one of these cinematic matches. It's probably not going to be for me, but don't give it a chance you. It's like okay. It's the swamp fight. Worst case scenario, it's one match, but now we're getting the ever and I and God knows what they're going to come up with for the mash. This is just. Just stupid. This isn't wrestling. More Open minded to it. But I wouldn't be under normal circumstances but I just I get. I don't know if it's. Times call for desperate measures, but novel times call for novel approaches. I'm I'm open minded to see what they do with it. I, am! Again it was just like if it was just a swamp fight I'd be like you know I. Guess You. You need to have a hook, but when you start, it's going to be the swamp Ivor Ni- and again. God knows what Gimmick they come up with Sigler McIntyre. Where does it add? Can we just have some normal wrestling on these shows it out they they're thinking. We got to attract all these casualties. They're not watching. They're not ordering the network for your stuff in the pandemic. They're just not. You need to be happy with who you have realistically, and you need to please them before you lose more subscribers. That's fair. There I do watch and just think man imagine if they just look the. Portray themselves of. Portrayed what they did as the wrestling titles in the victory. Was Enough and if they just took more of a straight approach, you know what would happen How would they do and and with all the other assets that they have in terms of the talent and the production values and in the nursing, and and maybe you can have the best of both worlds, and it just seems like they aren't even trying as far as Ragas Post Heyman. Do Do. You think we would have thought. Wow, what a different show! Heyman really changed his philosophy. If News hadn't come out or does it, does it feel different? In what ways? It feels a little more hectic bid there, not like when you get a longer match, you can always count on personal break. We're not getting. It just they just seem to keep everything moving at a really quick pace, and I think the first couple of weeks like yeah, okay, yeah, something different. It feels easier to watch it, and there's not as much time to look at the clock, but I I hope that they were going to slow down because I. Don't think this is a pace. You can go at every week. Week, and I think the ratings are showing that I also noticed. It's hard not to that. Some of the people that Hammond seem to be working long term you know had long term plans live kind of been shoved aside, and it does like this is back to let's focus on the stars. Well, that's nice, but at some point the stores are going to go away and. I I don't know. They? Invest all this money and developmental and we have Matt Riddle to show for it right now. You know it's it's. That's the only guy they really seem to be getting behind. And then there's long gathers garlic strom, and there's there are other examples. Don't get me wrong, but it does feel like now. The people that Heyman was invested investing in don't seem to matter and it is. Let's let's focus on the regular. They usual suspects and I'd. For a couple of weeks, people are want Shavers Richard knows what he's doing. Look at these numbers like okay. Let's take the. No they hotshot at a those weeks and turns across promotion and stuff to inflate things to make it look good. It's like Paul. Eveque said about Wednesday nights. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Calm down you. Yes, yes. Aloha torch faithful. This Kelly wells host of twit talks and x t every Thursday you can hear me and my gang of idiots Tom Style share thoughts from the live tapings and torch recap limbered as well as a rotating cast of guests cover the matches and events in INEX-. T live on USA network search, VW, torturing, and Todd, cats, or your podcast APP to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch daily cast schedule at Pete of you torch daily tasks dot com cheers. Let's, let's grab an email here. Mixed. These in this comes from will from Essex England I'm listen every week, but I haven't emailed in a while. Welcome back a first point. I think there's an argument to be made that renee young as the best non commentary broadcaster WWe had since mean Jean Oakland. What are your thoughts on that first question? I think that's an easy. Yes. I'm trying to think of like who I might be disrespecting, not disrespecting that's that's being overly dramatic overlooking. Put it that way. When I when I say that, but I mean renate renee in Megyn very different so i. don't even if you compare the two and say one is better than the other. They both you know for what they were trying to do. We're really effective. The Oakland of the AWA was way better than the Oakland of WWe where which which you and I grow up watching So. Yeah, I think different, but rene young is is just fantastic, which does. By the way I don't think Charlie crusoes, bad or I mean there's some people but bad in terms of like over emoting I, don't trust. He's got this thing with Angel Guards. That can become embarrassing. Had some good interviewers and Others sometimes can be a little cartoonish in their reactions, but for the most part you want to add to the segment without drawing attention to themselves if that makes sense and I think grenades the master. She is and I think she's too good for wwe for what they ask her position. I think she's overqualified and what she was doing. WWe backstage as an example of that I I think if she wants a career outside of the wrestling industry. Hopefully she'd be able to find it because I think she could be doing. If she. Has You know the the passion knowledge of Pro, sports I think she'd fit in graded and ESPN and tsn I. Know Jim Ross kind of hinted at the last contract was up at. That was a possibility so i. don't know if that was. A ploy to help get her a little more money, or if there really were some aspirations, there I mean obviously you know whenever deals Awa think would be an option considering their husband works there. Yeah, but I think she's she's excellent. Yes, she's definitely are the cream of the crop and I you know. I wish wwe would find. Better ways to incorporate her into their weekly television shows. Make her the one that I mean. They do it a little bit where she's the one doing some of the special interviews and things, but I think there's a way to of brandit late loop. It's a new young interview something. To get something good out of this person and they really don't. They don't do that. Hurry Shawn Michaels on got stage month, or so back was the best interview I've ever seen. Michael's do and it was ingrained part because her. It was just it was like stunningly good and revealing, and she was so awesome and. She could take. Those skill sets outside of wrestling. And very good but you can also take him to aws and be very good Yeah, I'm. A Big Fan of hers and she's. She's so different than me gene, but I think those generation only those are the two best, but are you saying Jason if you went to aws that she'd be better than? No, of course not let's not be ridiculous would. Fly But yeah. I mean. It could be so much worse. We could be having to listening for two hours on commentary. Original plan seemed to be so at least they pulled back. Yes, yes, they have all right. We'll second question. Why is w trying so hard to make Sonia developed a? He'll only wwe land with the gay former EMI fighter who hangs a pride flag out of her tights, be the he'll, and then the blonde model who tells everyone they're ugly would be the face Sony credibility. She can wrestle. She's shown she can talk and she legitimately promotes a progressive message. Not In a way we're doing philanthropy is. Is a good marketing WB way. They just lost their top female, bad s and Becky I think Sony is the perfect replacement I'm so glad we'll wrote, wrote this and brought this into the show as a topic because that's all. I felt a few weeks ago about Saudi I thought she was shining in had emerged in was going to be the the breakout could have potential to be in contention with Orange Cassidy carrying cross like breakout star of the year, the the rising star of the year who seemed to be locked in at one level, and then broke free and move to another level. And and feels like that momentum has been lost in the last few weeks. She seemed to sort of phone in the interview. A couple of weeks ago, whatever it was where it was just renewing Mandy rose, and it was almost like she was deflated like God I thought we were GonNA. move onto something else, but your. You'll lose. BECKY ILLU CHARLOTTE YOU'LL lose Rhonda. My God I was, I think. Tell me if you disagree, but I was really surprised at Hutt. Sonya had inner in a good she was and to give her a push and to Turner baby face, and it is a great fit and to do that would be a way to tell fans once you think someone's at a certain level. Don't give up. They could get to that next level and they don't tell that story enough. And Sonia was an opportunity to do that. You're absolutely right. I will say she plays the. He'll roll really well to as so it's, but they don't. They obviously place more of an emphasis on babies in their company. For many reasons, I think she could play a top level, baby face role, and hopefully she'll get an opportunity someday, but yes, she's been outstanding I. Even I liked the the segment where they kind of went back. Back to her and Mandy. I thought they did a pretty good job. Going back and forth verbally so I like that a little bit more than you did, but I i. do think she's been really good and I wonder if there are surprise because it, everything seemed like this was a vehicle for Mandy and they may have kind of stumbled across something here going Oh, good, too. Yeah, yeah, well. Hopefully, it's not Hopefully. We're not frustrated two months from now that they haven't done anything with her. Because the women's I mean the women's division has some openings right now and. I just I mean with what they've done. What they haven't done with some of the women on that roster that a frustrated some people. I just don't want to add. To that list, right? Up Do expect the Bel Air to have a better second half of the year. Apparently there's no reason to. She just disappeared two main event for some reason I I know she must be injured or doesn't want to work during. Kovin Dan let defined as she sleep working main event on early. What are they thinking? And how about base? Same thing I mean there's two stars right there. You could build your division around both of them feuding with each other. And they're just being wasted. Because then she doesn't see it apparently. Go Away, please, it's time. All Right Related Topic Women's Division Jack From Swansea Wales. Says Hey. Wait a Jason Hope you're safe and well love listening to the podcast during lockdown period here in Wales. We just recorded our first day without a Kovic and death and pubs and restaurants reopening next week, so we are slowly getting there. We're right there. Never mind. Wow, no, we're. We're short on masks and gloves again because. You know we're America people are stupid. And you're united to say that I will. There's too many stupid people in this country. Stupid people in horrendous leadership I. Yes. I mean if if if this was a reality show on a president who was challenged to try to get zero votes when he ran for reelection I. Don't know if you could. Script. A president who should have lost every vote, he got more than what Donald. Trump has gone not just this year, but all along some of flew under the radar for people living their lives, but my God I just I mean I'm glad he's behind it. I'm glad as his. Approval rating's down and all that, but like wh-. Honestly what can anyone port didn't even get the Supreme Court that people wanted the you know they're turned out. You know there's enough moderates to to be stopping. You know I just I I know it's political signing, but honestly I I can't imagine paying close attention to Donald Trump and and not thinking he's trying to lose every single vote, and so to support him at this stage with what's going on it what he says on a any week. There's six reasons to think I couldn't possibly. Live with myself if I voted for this guy and yet I know people listen to me right now. Madam for saying it and some people are saying yeah, and I I I just I. Don't get how you can. Anyway I didn't mean to go there, but it's just when when people are dying, and it's and you know the headline on the screen is the rally in Arizona probably caused a surge. That's killing people right now. On and on and on I just I just flabbergasted. People come on. We can do better. We can be better. The Lincoln project videos with. Aim that you know put up by Republicans aimed at Republicans. Who? Should not be supporting. This, Madman this. Man. He's a conman. He's a madman. He's an imbecile and he's a fraud and it's should just come on. Let's can we please on and? Those numbers even more because it's what's happening out. It's not political. Being decent human being at this point to understand the thinks he's doing and not doing are killing people every single day, and what Jack says it's not inevitable, and if you think it's not bad, you gotta turn the channel or go to a different site because it's bad in your being lied to. And please don't send me any emails about. The mortality rate is there's people that are getting. Cova have long term effects. It's not just about the mortality rate. If the mortality rate is truly dropping, that's wonderful. That's something we can all celebrate learning how to treat it, but we shouldn't have this large sample size to learn to treat because exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's a nuanced complicated thing, but the fact is the world. Is doing way better outside of the United States and in Brazil. And those are just facts so. All Right Jack. I first of all congratulations on happy for you guys. We're going to be you know we're going to have state shutting down again because of I mean. What was it in Mississippi? They had like a multi week. Thing we're. All the politicians got together didn't wear masks, and because they didn't believe the people who they're talking about, and now a bunch of them. THEM COPE IT and they're having to. The governor's telling people. Yeah. If you know anyone in government, you might WanNa. Get yourself tested it because well. We were dumped. It's at screwed up and and now a bunch of habit. It's like at some point you got it just understand this is revealing who you shouldn't shouldn't be listening to for facts and science and. SHOULD BE I. don't want to rub it in where people resent it, but there should be a wakeup call for people in terms of who they believe in who they listen to because this isn't something sweep under the rug. It's actual deaths. It's actual overwhelmed hospitals and it's a chart. Of United States compared to the rest of the civilized world, and we absolutely are blowing it. Well said I couldn't agree more, but I. I think just in normal times. Even if you know someone in the government, here round them. Get tested I i. think that applies. There's good people in government, but they're not. They're not, they're not. 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Jason was last night I said how about how about how Bianca should be the face, the women's division and Becky's absence and well I think that'd be as keeping her off TV until Lee. Fans come back or until there's a hill champion on top of raw is Sasha banks the person to take this role in the months to come? Even though she's been around for a while I, don't think he's ever looked as motivated as now obviously props to Bailey as well because she's been phenomenal, but after the storyline. Storyline comes to a head and I'M ASSUMING SASHA TURNS FACE. What do you think the future is for? Sasha's facing wwe now I'm very biased I'm a huge fan of Sasha, but I've only just found and she's only twenty eight safe to say seeing TV two to three times. A week is a lot better than in Charlotte three times a week. Thanks, guys. Thanks for all you do. Yeah, Jason I mean I've been talking about. It's offshore breakout breakout your for her same with Bailey, Charlotte Becky Ronneby gone. Okay well yes, so your your thoughts. I break out. They need to pull the trigger on this soon and get away from and that may heat up daily, but. I Bailey. There's there's some weeks that are better than others. I just didn't need them to replace Charlotte player appearing on every show with Boring Bailey appearing on every show. She works hard. It's from a character standpoint. I just roll my eyes at a lot of the things. He does a heel. She looks like she's having fun. That's great. It's better than it was. It's still something I don't need to see three nights a week television. Yeah, I mean. I'm definitely higher on what Bailey's been doing. Then you are, but I think. There's a limited span of time where you can have have them on all three shows all the time. Yeah but I I I agree with on Sasha. I think there's. Real potential eight still would love I. Didn't exte-, T, the boss is a heel character engine. She was a really good. He'll champion I. Don't know why we can't ever get that on the main roster for more than a day, but hey, if it right now, if they if I think, she will click as as a baby facing, be fine, and then I. Guess it's usually you just have to hope. She stays healthy, which has been kind of an issue for her, but now she's been really good and. I, who is who do you say? They're keeping off television till fans are back up. Bianca Beller. I don't know if that's the case. I mean I talked about that today a little bit and Don Weekly. It's time to get away from that mentality because of what we were just talking about. We don't know when the health answer going to be back, so that shouldn't even be a concern right now because there's no way of knowing. Yeah I mean I can see going okay. There's a couple of things we might WANNA. HOLD OFF ON. We might not be able to. Let's keep that you know. Let's let's keep that card in our in our hand, but we do need to play some other cards in the meantime. Because, this is, this is unfortunately for reasons. We just talked about five minutes ago. This is not going to end as soon as it should have and and as soon as it is in other parts of the world I mean literally the world won't let us fly there. Mexico's building their own wall. It's insane. How absolutely horrendously this has been handled, and it's going to extend the period of time, and it's going to cause a lot of people with big money on the line of second guessing their their political contributions, I mean in terms of. How enthusiastically they want to support the continuation of this failed leadership as as it starts to turn into fiasco in mainstream sports and that kind of thing so waiting for Canada build a wall out of here. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, no, I agree. I could go on. What we're talking about, oh. Yeah! Yeah, paying so. Yeah I just I. Think you're there's I. Don't if you have two or three things that you're like. I want to We want to hold off because we think we have other things that are pretty good that we can do instead I. Mean I'm fine, but you can't hold off on everything right now. No. No I mean obviously you're going to do long term planning for your bigger events summer. Slam whatever that totally makes sense, but if the idea, we're going to keep so and so off TV until fans are back. You could be waiting a year. Maybe longer at the rate. We're gone unless you decide to become. You know Welsh wrestling entertainment. move the whole operation there. Although I don't even know how you I. Don't think they'd welcome you at this point. No Yeah? Jason the, speaking out movement were a few weeks past the the surge of just the overwhelming number of accusations in in fallout. What are do you think are of the top talking points this out now? The top stories WHO's? WHO's? You know which promotions have done well, which are there outrages in terms of anything at this point? Just yeah, what comes to mind when I say? Where are you right now on that? You know I'm going to combine with Cova I'm really disappointed. The mainstream media hasn't paid much of any attention to either story when it comes to pro wrestling speaking out wwe obviously having Cova outbreak. They're just they don't care I. Mean I know there's plenty of other things to worry about in the world, but the fact that wwe is able to get away with answering a question about the number of positive cases with some weird statement about how they're going to continue testing. Just wrong every other sports league out. There has no problem saying. Hey, we tested our players. Here's how many nobody's asking them to break hip laws. Nobody's. He's asking them to name names, but for them to be able to get away with nothing to see here. We're not gonNA. Tell you how many people have tested positive are watch to me. That's wrong and I. Really I mean. I think the big issue when it comes to. The speaking out movement because I did ask a friend. Who Works, in mainstream, media. Why isn't this being colored? And it really was just lack of a big name, and some of it is also. It's allegations. There's been there have not been police reports filed, and so it it will be interesting to see. If you know if somebody does I mean I can't believe. Joey Ryan's walking the street without charges at this point If there are charges filed that May. Change things for speaking out. I think impact is done a good job of saying. They stopped short of firing Michael Elegant, but they said he's not gonna be on their programming anymore, so so he's essentially gone on. They've got rid of Dave crist. They had no choice but to get rid of Joy Ryan. Obviously I think they've done a nice job. Rim on it. They're doing another one of their investigations and. Company does a lot of investigations that tend to the historically haven't lead to anything. So we'll see. I think they could do much better than they have with the allegations against Maurice Girl. They were the last I think of the major companies. Even issue a statement on speaking out. I, W W E and they've. Another one. They secretly fire people. They didn't issue any kind of Nelson that. I saw when it came to anyone other than Jack her are they didn't announce the trim nation. Of Garo I. Think they just kind of leak it out there, but they're not gonNA. Ask you any official statement because they don't want the media to pay attention to this story and it it to me, it's just it shouldn't work, but it is, and that's I. Guess That's what's so frustrating. Is this approach should not work for them? They should still whatever you know media attention. They deserve, but because they're nothing to see here, no comment. They're getting away with it and they shouldn't. Yeah yeah all right. Let's let's go. Can I show up in because you know if you don't mention every company, then you must have advised. Eight W, I mean to I believe me I, it caught me off guard when they open the show with the week after all this started with Mike Tyson in the opening montage, and then there's Justin Robert standing in the ring. Mike. Okay those are the some of the first shots of the show. I think they could be better about handling. Some of the things yesterday address Sammy. And I think the we don't know the length of the suspension, but it so far. I think the punishment fits the crime. I wasn't somebody who thought he needs to be fired I i. don't believe that unless there's more allegations based on what he said, there should have been A. I think if if there were accusations that came out that seem to back up that he brought that that what he said was reflective of actual actions he took. It changes it exponentially and I think what accelerated. It would have led to calls from to be fired and rightfully so so. Yeah and I think it's an. Determined suspension at this point I think they're. They're kind of playing it by ear, and I think a lot of a lot of companies. Reasons brought up our go ahead, Jason Sorry. Yeah so I think every I don't think i. have this perfectly I. think impact is probably done. The best job, their most visible names on it doesn't mean there's not other issues with impact wrestling but I think. Awa At least did do the suspension. I, there is some other allegations against their talent that I wish. Would be addressed. I. Don't know if it will be but. I don't think anyone's you know. Hit a home run with this it. It's an ugly thing, but it's. I I would say. Ring of honor's probably been worst with their delayed response to everything and then their usual. We're going to conduct an investigation like you just after a while like e shop leaving them. What are the really cool parts of being a VIP members? 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KGO VIP prices are as low as eight dollars and twenty five cents a month on average you subscribe for a year or check us out for a month for nine dollars ninety nine cents. Placed speaking of of Kobe Hauer. Starting next week when we get fresh tapings with the surgeon Florida. With a surgeon in Texas in Arizona and elsewhere, but especially Florida with these tapings take place. Is it time for both companies in various ways to to to step up and do more, both in terms of actual safety precautions and just looking like they're participating. In the optics in the visual of of of overtly doing it, like where what are the best ways both wwe slash annex? T and Awa could improve starting next week. For wwe acknowledging how many tests they've had where they went wrong by not doing actual covert testing I think that's the thing they want to avoid. Is The media picking up the fact of wit? You guys were deemed essential business. You're running in the state of Florida, and and until you had an outbreak. You didn't think you needed to do cova testing. You were taking temperatures and having your talent. Fill out a questionnaire. That's wrong. I E W. They have been doing the testing, but as I've said they I think they've let their peddle their foot off the pedal a little bit when it comes to having the couple of weeks ago. Ago People diving into the crowd and having a lumberjack Mash 'cause we know, and they know they dealt with this the UFC fighter sharing the same hotel. You can test negative and actually be a carrier, and so they're just taking that risk, and they've been way better about things and WWE has simply by testing from the beginning, but I think it is time for them to say. Why don't we have our wrestlers wearing masks when they're spectators in the crowd gas, it's open air, but it sends the right message even if they clearly don't think it's necessary, but I think it sends the right message and I have enjoyed Jim Ross. Just being openly, he's he's proud of what they're doing. And that's good. You don't get that from wwe. They're not even acknowledging that. Hey, look our talents wearing face masks, I mean they're not even marketing those like on their show. You think they would be I think aws a lot to be proud of, but I also think they could be doing better, and they could be doing more to to send the right message as well just again. Having those those spectator wrestlers where the mass. Not Doing lumberjack matches and some of the things they've done. I mean it's. I think wwe should seriously consider looking for an outdoor venue similar to what AWS HAS I. It. It's not going to be easy I. I don't know how many venues are going to be willing to work with you, but I think they need to look into it I absolutely I mean they if they found a parking, Watson built bleachers and set up an outdoor show. that it would be safer. And because I mean outdoor versus indoor, and it'll performance center isn't exactly a public bathroom. There isn't dissipation when you're at a building that large with a ceiling that high, but it's just a matter of taking whatever that's my along is take whatever steps you can to get as close to this being the lowest risk situation possible. If you're going to continue to run shows and provide television content, and if there are steps, you can take that you're not taking. That are feasible and I. Should be a budget matter to be well. That's too expensive. We can't like screw that like worry about making money twenty twenty to worry about saving lives in two thousand twenty mom, and just in avoiding catastrophe that could end up on. Unraveling a lot of new revenue in the short term, so yeah to me Yeah I've had that thought I'm glad you brought that up. WWe should have by now. Found a location. that. Whether it's in Florida or elsewhere where people can safely get there or hang out there. Even if it's just in Kansas somewhere. In build Wales. Yes. No one's going to get be able to get out of the United States. They're not gonNA. Let anybody in realistic. No, but otherwise yet whales and yeah, and build a really cool facility, and just you know in a warm weather climate where you can do it for for a while, and and then kind of see where you'll end and. Have still do plexiglass still masks? Still do testing, but you can have you know more people spread out and really you can have fun with it i. mean you can really re reimagined. What a live wrestling event looks like! And take the best of Daly's place and go watch some old nitro when they had the college settings and just and just figure out a way to do something fun and different and and get out of the. They've improved the performance center. A heck with Keith, Lee and stuff I was ring entrance with I think augmented crowd being added to the to the close of the people banging on the hockey the hockey. Boards Plexiglas I mean. I thought it felt it felt like a big deal and they turn the lights down so you don't see the back wall. If you're not thinking about it, they could be a big venue, and so it's fine in that sense, but it's not as safe as it could be. But I would like to see a w just visually go back to social space. Saying put XS on the floor I never thought that was a thing like i. didn't think that was like you know. You will stand here and this is punishment. You must stand. It's like no, that's. This they should spread people out and not have outsiders, friends and family and VIP's stop that they're gonNA use the same bathroom. They're not going to wear masks. You can't tell who came together. Who arrived together in a car and who didn't is just no way to control it. You don't want to contribute to people leaving and spreading it. You don't want you. Don't even WanNa doubt about that, so there are things both I hope that they both do starting next week. There's been. Like an in a lot of states in early exhale at a time when things are in in many ways worse than ever, we have more knowledge, and they use that knowledge to their benefit to send a message. They're confident and visually and verbally, and also keep people safer, and then also in other ways realized this this. We might have been worried about before. We don't have to be as worried about it. because we're learning more about what is likely to spread spread it and what isn't. And the love of God, Leave Rick Flair home, seriously. Yeah, I know. I know I've instant safer than shopping at Walmart will guess what don't go shopping at Walmart either Rick Yeah. That's yeah. With him that he feels this way at all, it's their job to save him from himself and story bench wants to be there and risk his own life. He's an idiot, but he can, but to actually be paying someone money that seventy one years old. That has his history of health issues. Come into your venue after you had a covert outbreak with reportedly more than thirty people testing positive. What are you thinking? You're trying to hide from the media as it is, but not putting out any of this information. But, you're going to run the risk that on the most legendary wrestlers of all time could die on your watch. You don't think that's going to get you bad publicity and it's not just being bear in front. It's not just being around a handful of people who have already been tested. It's the fact that he's traveling to the show and nobody W. W W. we know and saying here's what we're doing. Here's our protocol. Rick Flair is getting to the show this way and he's encountering nobody and he's in the back of a limousine on his own. Isolated with the windows open and there's his driver has been tested. Rick never leased the car when he shows up the only time he's ever within twenty feet of anybody is when he's on camera. And it's only with one or two people who have already been tested inner self isolate like they could do that, but I don't think that's actually what's happening, and but if they were doing all that, say so make people. People about product because there are ways for Rick, flair to be there, and it has to be reasonably safe actually, but it's it is a long checklist of things that Rick. flair and everybody involved would have to have the discipline to do if he's that important to be there. You can't be cavalier about it and go well. We've tested the accuracy rates pretty good. What about the bathrooms? He uses when he's not home. You know. The travel just to get there and the it's Ric Flair, is he? Really you know? See really probably going to be as careful. I don't know anyway moving on some here. Let's. Let's go to Dan Castro in Connecticut I know you're staunch supporters of promoting next week's made events or even more the lineup to build interest in upcoming shows meanwhile over on eighty three weeks eric. Bischoff is adamant supporting the direct opposite. Saying promoting what's GonNa time completely negates the benefit of live TV and having the ability to surprise, which is part of what you're of interesting. The Monday night wars I find this divergence and opinion incredibly interesting and I can see both sides. What do you think about the situation having such staunch differences in approach? So Jason. Although I would just say this. You can the best both worlds there you absolutely should announced big matches ahead of time because it makes it seem like a big deal. If you went out to match ahead of time, I can't imagine ordering pay per, and they're like. Hey, guess what folks! A dream is going to happen tonight. Of course you WANNA have weeks of hype you WANNA. Have you WANNA get people online social media chance to speculate and talk about it and podcast. Talk about it and friends have a chance to to. Think about it on car rides. When Red Light I wonder what's going to happen. That builds interest when you get one or two weeks or longer to think about a big match and it frames. It is a big deal so. Just like. It's not even I. don't even think it's like debatable. Of course there are matches you want to announce ahead of time in that. It's a crime not to. There's matches you absolutely should should announce ahead of time that said. There's A. What Eric is espousing has value the idea that when you tune in, there might be something that happens. That wasn't announced. That's a big deal and you WANNA. Have that feeling that anything can happen and that. There's going to be weeks when the rock shows up. And if the rock shows up and he's announced that sticks with you for a long time any week in something more than what's been advertised might happen. That's a big deal, so I think do both I, think as a rule, you announce big segments in big matches ahead of time, but you're always looking for something you can do on a semi regular basis, but not weekly where something big happens, and it's not advertised so that you do also have the best of both worlds. Fans go viewers go. Yeah, I don't always know what I'm going to get when the. When the show goes live at the top of the show, or there's a run or a big appearance later on the show so to me. I'm I I strongly disagree with Eric Eric Stances. Announced, madge ahead of time, but I don't think he's that extreme with it, and I actually think there's just a really common sense, middle ground but I do lean more towards. Plan ahead I also think by the way some people who don't want who say oh. The element of surprise is really valuable I think that that is. A philosophy born out of disorganization and lack of planning accurate, and so you know it's like the big wrestlers who say Oh, let's flip flops. Stuff is dumb. It's because they can't do it. And so they want to hold their position as what really counts of the big guys, the heavy hitters hitting each other so Jason over you on that. I think you covered it all I seriously feel the same way you can do both Yup Yup. I think there's instances where. If you have a surprise match and you don't announce it had a time. It makes sense, but you have to have a reason for it like because if you don't announce at that time, and you presented big time match. You need to explain to people why you didn't announce it at a time. You know why would there be a title match or to two matches? Too Big name wrestlers who are wrestling each other if it wasn't planned a week or two ahead I just think it defines it down to do that. Yeah. All, right? Let's go to let's see Albert. In New York Awa booking seems to be based on nepotism and cronyism priority w dynamite on TNT the two biggest region signings we're in Santana or teasing Luce Bros best friends. Private Parts. Ocalan censored the box. Have all been booked better so sensor data history being a pastime and they were booked as I take chance. Even the natural nightmares get pushed. They gotta take. Donald Shop based on meaningless wins over enhancement talent on Awa Dark Awa. Books Frankie Kazarian like he's new Japan Kenny Omega. Veterans like Matt Hardy Chris Daniels, Cochabamba Dustin Rhodes. They never put over younger talent. The only put over high ranked wrestlers totally mentor Shawn Spears Cody's friend. And Mentors Cutie Marshall Brandies, trainer, and Hardiman Tours private party. The Bucks Fritz instead of waving the white flag. W. Should assigned tests. She qualifies under the Friends and Family Plan. So I think there's something to what Alice saying in terms of nepotism and cronyism. Getting in the way of Awa doing some of the things they should be doing that said. The luce Bros.. Haven't gotten, even before Cova didn't quite get the push that envisioned. They should have but there's still limitations with their characters and they did put them in. That were they shined, and and when you look at what they've done with Kenny I think it's you look at Kenny's Bush and even lack of character development for for for the box. Good great for that, you can also say it's just a general. A some general faults in execution that happens to to line up in a way that looks like nepotism and cronyism, but there are some exceptions that show maybe just aren't as polished booking wise as as. Their biggest supporters might have you believe Jason Your thoughts on that. Hey yes, there's going to be some people hired. That are friends and I've said before I. would actually you know if you? Fall into a position like cody. The box and Kenny did and you didn't take care of any of your friends and actually look down on them for just. You it's we're not seeing Michael Nakazawa. TNT, champion or Q, t Marshall World Champ. It's not that I do I. Think it's fine. A lot of the the underlying types are doing their thing on dark and. The bucks hired not just friends, but people that they've worked with which is logical you're you know you're going to pretty much everybody at that? You've if you've worked for as many places as HAB so they've hired some people that they know and trust and feel a lot of upside I don't know where FDR fits in that. I don't know where Lance Archer fits, and there's plenty of people getting pushes that I don't think are just overt. It's overt case of nepotism I think that Omega and the buck should be doing more to push themselves. I don't think the box. Come off like huge deals to anybody who wasn't a fan of theirs before Awa. It's just they talk about them. Being the best tag team in the world, and then they lose probably fifty percent of the time. It feels like and so to me. That's a bigger issue. I really when I watched the show. I don't feel like. This is ridiculous. This person is being pushed only because they're friends with one of the. I don't see that? Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on W. Torch, daily Dot Com hosted by me. Pw Torch columnist Greg Parks each I'll welcome a co host from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling, taking your calls and emails you can listen live most weeks beginning at eight PM Eastern on Sunday nights with a wwe or impacts pay per view. We go on the air. Air At the conclusion of that pay per view, you can listen live. Of course. The full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly after it airs visit PW Torch Daily Cast Dot COM and click the livestream linked to find the next scheduled live show, link, pw, torch, and apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday pw torch daily cast dot com. I think that there have been opportunities to push others where they've come up short. They have pushed people over push. People who didn't deserve to be pushed and I think that has been enough of an issue I think that als- got a point. If you don't mind well I, think I think the TV. Time being given to. In the effort being given to brandy roads over and over and pulling and restarting I think Cutie Marshall with no character development is taking up spot on TV, sometimes that that. Shouldn't be. Part of it, too, is the lack of like I'm not. I'm not upset with Shawn Spears in his push. I was disappointed by. That's the thing I think they should have done a better job. In terms in terms of pushing him than they have that said there's a risk of him being over pushed once. You know there's a fine line with with him. In terms of what role I think you should have, but I don't think it's been real consistent. I think. So cal uncensored deserve. The viewers deserve to. Have, more, character, development with them than. Than, they've been given for the amount of TV time that they've had. The idea of this is the worst city we've ever been. In is a carryover from the indie scene. That means nothing to. I would argue the majority of people watching dynamite and they they don't establish it. There's two. There's still too much of what feels like cutesy clubhouse humor. That's fun for screwing around on Youtube or in front of a few hundred people that hasn't been. That the decision has been made. Is this worth investing time in on national television? If so do it? If not drop it. Don't have it just sort of hanging in there, so that's more of a critique of of booking than cronyism, but. I think the blue rose and Santana teas are good. Examples of people who deserve better more more serious pushes than they've gotten. Even best friends feels like there's an inside joke that the national audience hasn't been brought up to speed on so to me. Yeah I think there's some roster spots and time that's been given to people that had there been. full-fledged scouting of qualified people. That would have been better off having that TV time than that and I'm not saying cutie marshals over pushed and they see Nakazawa as as comedy relief although I think it's you know Channel Turning Stupidity yeah. A lot of the time, and so it does. It does feel like it's not friends who deserve a push who are getting the push? They deserve sometimes. It feels like there's hangers on. Who? Even Brandon Cutler where it's like that was even a Gig, and it's like I know they're not super pushing it, but with limited roster and limited TV time that you have you WanNa have the next wave of talent. You're developing and. Is Brandon Cutler guy that you should either. He's going to be there. Make better use of him than just doing a youtube story about emotional. It was that he got a Gig, but he's just kinda hanging around taking up a roster spot that could go to somebody like when you look at Annex, t annex, t i. just think has a better influx of of men and women that they are bringing in who you look at it and go. Oh, there's a real upside here. I WanNa see journey, and I don't think aws a good grade in that regard. I do think it's going to be interesting. When some of these contracts start to expire, I think they have way more talented than they needed this point. It will they make some tough calls on some of the the dark talent that is, they're basically him out of loyalty and friendship, and will they I mean I know the answer is we just need another television? Should No, you don't. It's you just need to stop signing so many people by all means sign key people, but at some point I would think they're gonNA. Be Working on a budget, and you're going to need to get rid of some people, and so I think that's when I'm really start judging them on. Some of this is who do they say? Hey, we tried. It just didn't work out. We are they going to be friends, or is it just going to be some others that aren't in the club I? I have. Thrown fits about best friends being nothing more than a hug in the middle of the match, I, I don't get it I think it's lame. I think there should be real cared for development there but I you know I don't know if that's completely on a friendship or they think they have something there in that. It's part of its Orange Cassidy, so yeah, I mean I think it would be a an interesting talking. Point I will add that so tony. Kahn taught the need to comment on the ratings weight, and if you've seen this. No I haven't. This is from Tony's twitter. If anyone thinks I consider being a top seven show on cable, anything a huge win the incorrect. A win in the demo is a win winning the business, and in, and this is a business I know. The industry was in talking about the Demo as much twenty years ago, but it's what drives our revenue today. I I'm fine with that. I mean it was number seven and I. It was because I. I hope Tony Can. Just. Cares but I think of the generation that Tony's part of the life that he's lived on social media and the accessibility that he has some good, and who's going to some good and bad comes from it, and I'm not saying this is either good or bad and sort of like. It's fine I think he gets frustrated by the idea that there that they have come up short on two weeks where they really wanted to come out strong and by pointing out that aws in Amman all cable shows finish number seven in the key demo. In annexed down twenty four is relevant now. Is there a way? He can put that in a more sort of dignified, I don't maybe dig. Yes a more a more professional, straightforward way, instead of seeming. Defensive Yes because I think people care in people know this who listen to me if I think people care way too much likes and hearts and pay more attention to comments on twitter than they should. You know news to People I. Don't look at what you say and if it's if it's negative. Negative critiquing lodge way, but of run across comment where it seems like you're just trolling mute you and you won't know it. You know when I just think it's good to go about life that way. Wade muted me like six months ago. Oh. Yeah, there's some people would be surprised to immune. Sometimes for other reasons, but Yeah I. Mean I, think that That that. You know sometimes you get wrapped up in the moment i. think what my my advice to people think about those the time you invested in in being emotionally worked up and what was said on twitter. And think about how much it mattered for days later because most cases you never thought about it again, and did you. Did it really matter four weeks later and even worse? Did it matter at all to the person who was just screwing with you other than they got a? They got a buzz from getting someone to respond to them. Because that's what they were looking for in made. Their life seem worthwhile for twenty seconds. It's just like it's just there's too many go enjoy. A nature walk read a book. do push-ups whatever got talked to a neighbor. WHO's lonely. Go do better things with your life than worrying about arguing with anonymous people on twitter, and so does that apply to a degree to Tony Kahn? Sherp but Tony Kahn also WanNa fight the perception than annexed. He's beating them. I think so. I think that's fine I. I like your Jason's better way to do it than the way he did it, but saying hey, wait a second. There's we didn't lose. You're looking at the wrong data. The TV industry thinks we won, and here's why I mean I think that's good to get out there. inasmuch as a company built to a degree on on social media following an loyalty. I think there's a better way. And I to him. That's what you know I'm I'm doing the show and I saw the tweet so I don't know if there's something that sparked this. But or if he just decided to go out there and do this. I just don't I think they're playing to a smaller audience. When it comes to all this ratings, talk I. I think there's definite interest in television, viewership and ratings amongst wrestling fans spark these days by this Wednesday night battle. But Yeah I. Just think there was a better way to put it. That doesn't come off. Just like your your antagonizing people. Who went the other way with that? There's. I mean is it worth? What do you what your message here in? And and if if your message is that? Hey, we're top seven. Showing proud of it. Say That rather than kind of taking I don't know I. Just I think there was a better way of handling this. Yeah Yep. Fair enough. All right. Well wrap up there Jason. Thank you so much. Pro Wrestling Dot net is his website. The pro wrestling boom podcast is his show. that. Just enter Promo boom in your podcast out. You've got your your membership or people. Who in here your top Tier immersive audio content so support that in your on twitter at pro wrestling dot net. What close blow admiral wrestling that yet twitter doesn't allow that many characters. At pro wrestling net. Follow follow whatever their Jason Anything I left out. where I'm asking everybody when you're public, please yes, please do. Thank, you and thanks for listening so twitter at the Wade Keller and follow our brand. Ask Me Torch and check out our website. Torch Dot Com. Thanks Jason. We'll talk to you maybe in two weeks. We'll work it out. Sounds great excellent. If, you'd like to hear this show without ads and plugs interrupting. There's one thing you can do right now. 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Toolbox For Life // Heaven is NOT For Everyone (Part 3)

Celebrate Community Church

58:26 min | 2 months ago

Toolbox For Life // Heaven is NOT For Everyone (Part 3)

"Everybody this is keith lee. I'm the founding senior pastor of celebrate church in sioux falls south dakota and this is our podcast i just want to say thank you for joining us and it is my prayer that this week's message would truly encourage you enjoy. Have your bibles one invite you go to john. The book of john chapter fourteen. And we've been in a series if you're a guest talking about a toolbox that we all carry around in life. It's a tool box. That is all about vision and values. And i'll say it again and again and again but everybody every day when you get up every moment all the time you're functioning out of this toolbox that you're carrying your all carrying one. The toolbox matters to you because the toolbox is the vision. Bhai which you live. It's why you carry it. It's what you believe and deemed to be important. The tools that you have within the box are your values hence again why you carry this toolbox you wanna keep it closed you because this is what you if you will make all your decisions all your choices. Everybody in this room has a vision for their life. Why you do what you do. It's why you go where you go and everybody has values by which those decisions are made. It's what you see is important if you will the death of your heart and so we're walking through if you will when it comes to this church this family this body that god so died four of which i believe with all my heart that god did not die for you individually even though individually your sins crucified on the cross for the moment that you give your life to jesus you become a part of something corporately known at his church and we may disagree. I'm okay with that. But as the pastor of this church. I will die for that. The local church is the hope of the world. The church matters and so when people come up to me and they say well listen. You know i. I don't need to go to church to be a christian biblical heresy from my standpoint. You do not believe. The word of god god's word and therefore you do not govern it accordingly and therefore. It's probably not in your toolbox something that you value because i hear all the churches full of sinners welcome. That may be the brightest smartest thing you've actually said yes. It is the difference is we're here because we're willing to admit it and we're trying to do something about it if if i could say in that simplistic way but for you to neglect god's bride pawn its people. You don't even understand who christ really is vision and values. We all have them and your life is being governed according accordingly and i want to help you understand what the vision and values of this church is and so we began to talk about who jesus was what it really means to be in the example of christ that he saw people and to have is that he sees and actually care about the things that god cares about and then to do something about it because to care not do is not even to care at all and then we talked about what really matters fundamental questions that we need to ask in her lies. I'm not gonna give you those again. But now i wanna talk about the fact that heaven is not for everyone. I wanna say again. Heaven is not for everyone greatly concerns me because it seems to be in the american tradition that we've bought into some miss. That aren't true. And you see it in the moment of death. But i want to help you understand something about it. I read about a michigan couple. Who decided to go to florida to get away from the winner. Obviously there were very wise people. They plan to stay at the exact same hotel where they had spent their honeymoon thirty five years prior but in light of their hectic schedules they wouldn't be able to travel together so he left on thursday while his wife would fly out the very next day when he checked into the hotel room he discovered that they now have computers in the room so he decided to wife and email however without realizing it he accidentally lead off let left off a letter in her email address and hit send meanwhile somewhere in texas a widow had just returned from her husband's funeral. You see he'd been he'd been a pastor and die suddenly of a heart attack when she got home. She decided to check her email expecting messages from her family and friends when she read this message. She screamed and fainted. Instantly your husband rushed. Her son rushed into the room. Found his mother on the floor looked up at the computer screen and he read the following to my loving wife. Subject i've arrived date january seventeenth. Two thousand four here was the message. I know you're surprised to hear from me. They have computers in the rooms. Now so. I thought i'd send you an email. I just arrived in checked in and found that everything has been prepared for your arrival tomorrow looking forward to seeing you hope. Your journey is is uneventful as mine was. Ps its stinking. Hot down here heard someone. Just say that's terrible for who i don't know if you've ever taken a word association test you know what i'm talking about. It's where you're given a word and then you're supposed to say the very next thing that comes to your mind like if i say the word hot you might say cold. If i say apple you might say pie. If i say house you might say home. If i say congress you privacy criminal but but but what word or words would come to your mind and this is important if i said the word heaven. What if i said the word hell. I want to think about that for a moment because the good news is that most people believe that there is a heaven. Most people believe it. Unfortunately the problem is most of it think of it like the widow. Douglas in mark twain's adventures of huckleberry finn who described heaven as all you do is go around all day with a harpen sing forever and ever and ever and then the movie world come along and may confuse us even more for example in the tv series the good place happens depicted as some sort of utopia where angel ted danson. It's now ready. Having a problem okay allows only the good people to come in which is very interesting. Because of the first season's final episode you discover will quickly that ted danson is not the angel leading the good people in he's actually of the devil and it's not even the utopia you think of in the first place. How about the movie. Defending your life have betrayed as an eternal fun factory where you're always happy have amazing superpowers and can do whatever you want when you want now. One of the good things is you can eat all the carbs you want. Because there's no calories in heaven and all of god's people said okay. I could go on and on. Tv in the movie world and and things that we subscribe through and the conversations. We have what heaven is that. There's a problem almost everything that i've heard from the lips of people displayed upon the television or a movie screen or even read in a book are not biblical. None of them are scriptural. And yet how many of us have bought into it. What heaven is not. And to that that i want to speak i think charles spurgeon has it best when he says the day when we meet in heaven and we shall see how little we actually knew about it on earth. There's a lot that we don't know about heaven. But i'm gonna tell you some things we better know right here. Now you're never going to experience it because heaven is not for everyone. I want to say that again. There's a lot of things we don't know. There's a lot of things that we bought into. There's a lot of lies miss. We've chose to believe none of them are true. There's a lot we don't know but there are some things we do know in. The bible is very clear. And i don't want to help you with your bibles i want you to go to john. Fourteen john fourteen and jesus is going to speak about heaven. He's going to talk about what forever really is. It's the opening line. I just find interesting. So if you've got your bibles again. John fourteen i'm beginning in the very first verse. Do not let your heart be troubled. Do not let your heart be troubled and yet if there is a subject the create so much disarray. Frustration confusion and concern i contend. It's the very word heaven. It's why played this word association. What comes to mind did. The two words can't wait. See death is an interesting thing when it comes to the human dilemma. Which i don't understand it. You start talking about death and people start to get very concerned but yet from the christian standpoint it's in death which is the final chapter in the page of sin turns and life now begins. Why do we fear the very gift. That god's gonna give it as heaven it's not earth. What is it about us that were so wanting to be about what we know. Rather than who we know which is really an issue of faith. Is it not that our faith is only good by what we see is always going to get us in trouble but that faith is the assurance of what we do not see what we know is true because god promised it to be. So what is it about heaven. what is it about life. what is it about death. And yet jesus said do not let your heart you travel do not let your heart be troubled. He goes on to say. Trust in god as you trust in me. My father's house has plenty of room if that were not so what. I've told you my house has plenty of room. If that were not so would. I have told you that. I'm going to prepare a place. Think about that. If you want to circle words circle this word. Prepare if i go and prepare place for you. I will come back in emphatic reality. If i go. I will come back and take you to be with me. That also may be where i am by the way. Do you know what he's saying. He's not compartmentalizing. What you and. I think sometimes heaven is that somehow and i've even poorly told you this and for that i ask for forgiveness that somehow when we get to heaven gabriel's going to be up there leading worship and we're going to somehow be sitting in a room like this and every now and then jesus is going to come out and preach that somehow god is got a place in heaven. That's unbelievable castle. Probably the largest of homes and every now and then we might be invited to have a feast at his table or at least we may be out in public and he'll come walking by. We're like oh god. But jesus said was this. Heaven is really cool place. I don't know why your heart is be troubled. If i go i will come back for you that you will be with me that where i am. You will also be which means that in heaven. Jesus isn't someone we're going to meet. He's here he's here he's here. He's here he's here he's here he's here he's everywhere but i think that's the problem see heaven doesn't contain god god contains heaven and i think that's partly the problem because we liked control so much even when we think we've surrendered the troll. We like a place forever that maybe there is a moment. I can be away from god and sorta be okay with me which means you never got him in the first place. I will have no other gods before me. This is an incredible moment fly. Would you let your heart be troubled. I'm going to place. And when i come back and get you. You will always be in my presence. And i will be in your presence. That's great news i four. He says you know the way to the place where i'm going. But the thomas one of his disciples as lord. We don't know where you're going. So how can we know the way. Jesus answered i am the way i am the truth i am the life. No one comes to the father except through me and this may be a moment that some of you may all of a sudden do which really always crazy which is now. You don't agree with what i say. So therefore you gotta get up and let everybody know that you don't and then you gotta leave the room. I am not a universalist meaning. Every other region religious religion does not serve the same. God i do me to say it again. I'm not a universalist other religions. Don't serve the same god. Despite the back of former president one said we all serve the same god. No we don't. I could go on and on and help you with this. There is but one god who gave us one savior and his name is jesus christ and no one gets to heaven outside of him. If that would be true than what we're doing right now is beyond foolishness. The gospel is very clear. I am the way the truth. No one no one gets to the father except through me. No one jesus as savior. And jesus wants to be lord look what he goes on to say verse seven. If you really know me you will know my father as well from now on you do not know him or you do know him and you have seen him and then fill up says the lord show is to father and that will be enough for us. Talk about a crisis of decision and jesus says. Don't you know me even after. I've been among you such a long time. And i think these are the words not only for for philip for thomas for the disciples that day. I believe it's for the church. Now you don't know me yet to not know me how many of us in this room have been to the church camp of setting the church have the word of god setting and right in front of us and we still don't even know him. Do you not know ownby. Heaven isn't for everyone. Anyone who seen me as seen the father. How can you say show us the father and then these three words don't you believe don't you believe i'm going to give you three truce about heaven but it's the third one i'm going to play with for a while and we're going to dig into and i want you catch this real quick. Write this down. Heaven is a place. Say that with me. Heaven is a place or as the title of the famed movie states. Heaven is for real. It is for real. But here's the deal. And i don't want you to miss this. There is eternal life after death but just as true there is an eternal death afterlife. You choose heaven isn't for everyone. Someone said. Why would god send anyone to hell. Good god doesn't he never has. Unfortunately there's just a bunch of his creation that choose to go to hell. The choice isn't god's it's yours. He gave you the gift. It just sickens me and saddens me that. So many don't want it. I just don't want it. Heaven is a place. Here's second heaven is prepared place. Heaven is not just a place to prepare place. Jesus says i'd go and prepare a place. And you know what paul says paul says in. I corinthians two and no mine can imagine what he has prepared. He's not trying to freak you out. He's trying if you will feel you up. Here's the deal again. There's a lot of things we don't know heaven but one thing is crystal clear for me. This is a profit of tommy. Boy moment. it's going to be off. It's going to be beyond anything you can imagine. That's why it hurts my heart when people try to tell me what heaven is and the illness. Say it with a sense of of regret or disgust like oh my goodness. I don't know what you think. But paul says what in fiji you let your mind. Just go and go and go and you won't even get to where god's going to begin when jesus is i'm going to prepare a place for you whole all. Come on someone. Wet your pants in the name of jesus but it's this third truth. I don't want you to miss. It's the third one have an is a place. heaven is a prepared place. The heaven is a prepare place for prepared people. Heaven is a place. It's a prepared place but it's only for those who are prepared. See i know when greece strikes. And i want everybody to hear this and and someone we loved. Is we want hope don't we. We somehow want the pastor to to tell us what maybe we know isn't true we want them to provide the just. Maybe but that's not hope. Hope is not ever to the child of god of just. Maybe hope is an emphatic reality. That's why i don't think so. Many people get hope so we want to hope assures us that we're going to be with them forever. I have to tell you something as your pastor. I cannot make certain for you. What someone you loved chose to disregard. I can't give you false. Hope when jesus said i'm the way the truth and the life. They didn't want that i can't do that. Let me tell what i can do for you as your pastor. I can tell you some god truce that if you really want to know with certainty where our loved ones will be after they die. Here's the first thing you need to know. Heaven is not for good people boy. Was that quiet. Good people will not be in heaven. Heaven is not for good people. Good people will not be in heaven see. It doesn't matter how good you might think you've been or how good you may believe you can become. It will never be good enough. And yet i hear those words but he was such a good father. She was such a good mother. He was such a great guy. Can i tell you what the bible says or we look appear. Hell good people. Don't go to heaven. Good people go to hell so we don't wanna hear that. Did we see. I can take you to i. Corinthians thirteen passes that we always subscribe to marriage which maybe if we actually listened to it. It might actually change marriage but paul says what. I don't care if you could fathom all mysteries if you have not love hell. I don't care if you burn your life or get burned at the stake for the sake of what you think is right but you have not that love. Hell you give all that you have to the poor that you have not that love hell. Heaven is not good people. Just not please hear this. God doesn't grade on a curve. He graded on the cross. And no one is that god could means nothing to god and yet if you ask someone right now if you were to die right now and stand before god and he asked me why let you into my heaven. You know what the most common answer i hear as well. I'm gonna pretty good person. I mean it's not. Like i was a murderer or something interesting which creates the illusion that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. It's what the rich young ruler fought. You know the guy who went to jesus and you know what he said. What good must i do to inherit eternal life. That was his question. You know what jesus says. No one's good enough. No one is only god is good and yet. According to a recent survey ninety percent of american christians believe that being good enough is good enough to get them into heaven. Ninety percent of american christians believe and remember the only say this because they don't know what the word says they believe. That good enough is good enough to get into heaven. Here's where it gets really scary. Fifty three percent of that ninety percent believe they've earned it and they deserve it. I read that ten percent of today's church members can't even be found ten percent of the people who signed their names that i want to be a member of that church. They just disappeared. they haven't died. We don't know where they're at. Twenty percent of church members in america. Don't even attend church anymore. Twenty five percent admit to never praying and thirty five percent. Say they don't even read the bible forty percent tell us they never contribute to the church and truth be told they go on to say and i don't plan on it. Sixty percent of never given to a mission seventy percent of never served anywhere eighty five percent of never invited anyone to church and ninety five percent. Have anyone to jesus christ and yet the hundred percent of them. Just ask them expect to go to heaven and almost every time it'll be because they'll point at me not look up here. Who are you to judge. I don't you may want to do this. Who are you to judge. Why am i. You're measuring stick. And yet paul stated in fact we're all sinners every one of us in the same sinking boat with everybody else. There is no one who does good enough. Not even one. You might want to write this down. Our good is not good enough. It never will be and we better get this. The bible says enrollments three. We've all fallen short. And paul tells us the wages of falling short is death. Even the prophet isaiah wrote. Is there any hope for us. Can anything save us. No we're all sin infected sin contaminated are. Good is not good enough. We're grease stained rags. That's it heaven's not for good people. This one might shock you you ready. Here's the second thing. I want to tell you about heaven. Heaven's for bad people who will admit it happens. Not for good people good is understood. It's this idea. But i was more realistic. I tried to i tried. I tried and yet the bible says you're saved by grace. None of your works so matter how hard you try you will never get you to heaven by the way just so you know in james chapter two. You know what. James tells us. Go ahead try. He literally says this he says you need to understand something okay. Good enough won't get you to heaven but let me let me tell you something about you. The slightest of sin is enough to keep you out. He literally says james chapter to get all the law but when you mess up on the slightest to one you're as guilty as getting them all wrong. Good people. don't go to heaven bad people do. My dad always says that there's only two types of people on planet earth centers and centers saved by grace. Good people we all deserve hell but we don't want to admit that but it's when we admit that the things change i just told you no one can go to heaven who's ever since it's only those who are perfect without sin who can dwell in the internal presence of god which means what no one's getting in. Which by the way is exactly what god wanted. Did you know that he had to remove anything. And everything of that which we think we can do so we finally give up and let jesus do it. Only jesus can do jesus who became what you and i couldn't become and in him. We can have life eternal. But i think this is going to be difficult for us especially in a country. That's so good. Is he some years ago in a small rural church in england. A pastor notice that a former thief was kneeling at the communion rail alongside one of england's finest a supreme court judge who just happened to be the judge a few years prior that sentenced this the to seven years in prison. Here they are at the alter together after the service. The judge and the pastor went walking the judge spoke. I did you see who was kneeling beside me today. At the communion rail sure did so the pasture they continue walking on. What a miracle of gray said the judge all yes. It is said the pastor at the judge stopped. to whom are you referring. He asked why. The thief said the pastor which the judge said no. I was referring to me. Confused the pastor asked what do you mean you have to understand that. That thief knew how much he needed. He's me for you see. I was taught from childhood to be a good man to live a good life to be a gentleman to keep my word to say my prayers and go to church so i went to oxford got law degree and was called by the bar where eventually became a judge that tears began to run down. His cheeks watch this nothing. But the grace of god in the midst of all my pride in self righteousness could have ever gotten to understand that. I am no better in the eyes of god. Then that thief of whom i had sent to prison. There's only two types of people bad ones and bad ones who will admit they need. God's grace see heaven begins when we get this when we admit this when we die to ourselves and we pick up the cross of jesus and led him crucify us there and we begin to follow him taking on a new nature which is not our nature which is his nature. Heaven's not for good people heavens for bad people who admit it. But there's a third that i want you to get heaviness to be now. Heaven is to be now heavens. Not something that's coming. Heaven is right here right now to be lived out and if we really got this. Our lives would change dramatically. I don't know if you've ever heard these words as someone ever said this in your presence man. They're so kingdom minded. They're no earthly good. You ever heard those words there so heavenly minded. They're just no good. I want you to think about that. As of spending time with god is a bad thing. I couldn't disagree more for me. The bible says the more time i spend with my heavenly father. The more of the earthly blessing i will become for kingdom mindset has a kingdom impact and an earthly mindset has an earthly one. But here's where. I think we struggle. It's in the classic hymn rock of ages. Maybe you've heard it. The words go rock of ages cleft for me. Let me hide myself in the let the water and the blood from the wounded side which flowed and here comes be of sin the double cure be of san of a cure. Here it is saved from wrath to make me pure see. I think it's the first one of the double cure we like save from wrath the god so loved that he gave his cries that we don't get what we deserve. What we get a gift. That's incredible called eternal life right. But it's the second part of the cure that i think we miss. And what heavens all about to make me pure to walk in the example of christ that a new nature not a nature that's to come but nature. That's supposed to be in us here and now i think that's the problem. See the word pure means living right now with a heart that wants to be fully devoted to god. It's a want to become watch this. It's the want to become. The person of which heaven is four. I think therein lies the problem. Jesus said blessed are the pure in heart for they will see god. Isn't that what we want. Why are we acting like we have to wait. He's not a distant god. he's a personal relation. No god and the god whose there you ready for this is the same god. Who's here right now. There's just something missing heavens in my heart. Jesus didn't come to get heaven or you ready for this. Jesus didn't come to get into heaven. Which by the way is a good deal. Jesus came to get heaven into is. Isn't that what he said. Disciple said teach us to pray and he said what he said. The kingdom come my will vie will be done on earth right now as it is in heaven. We don't have to wait and we shouldn't wait. I'd say this if you're waiting it's probably because you don't get it yet. The cross of jesus was never meant to be some sort of life insurance policy. So you're covered. The cross of christ was god's life transformational strategy that in jesus we can live right now. Heavenly expectantly passionately. heaven is in mahar. Look what david prayed. This is in psalm. One thirty nine. And i don't want you to message. Because so many people read it and they failed to finish it. He said search my heart. Oh god he's literally in prayer. Remember this is the guy in the book of acts. The bible said this is a man. After god's own heart. This is david who committed adultery. This is david if you will who murdered the husband so he could keep the wife. This is david who tried to play that game and cover things up but when the prophet came and said you're the man you need to make things right. David didn't justify point the finger nor hide behind his credentials. His prayer was god's search me. Search my heart test me. See if there's any offensive. Way in me david san got. I want to be right with you now. I don't want to live like me. i wanna live like you. But then he adds these words and then the most significant words as he praised and says god's search me he says this and then lead me in the way of everlasting. I'll confess the bible. Says we confess our sins. He's faithful in just to what forgive them in cleanse us from all unrighteousness but why would he do that. Not just to save us from wrath but then he would put heaven in her heart. Can i just say humorously. Can i tell you the difference between now and then is when i'm in heaven i don't have to deal with you anymore. Okay anyway i just. You don't have to deal with me. Actually you do because i'm going to be there anyway and we're probably roommates so because god has a sense of humor why you made me leave me. In the way of everlasting. I heard it said but for god to do this to get heaven into us. He often have to beat the hell out of us that hell is. Can i tell you what some of that hell is. Our bad thinking about heaven. Heaven is not for good people. That's wrong thinking thinking heaven for bad people. There's no good us and some. You're struggling right now. Because see you're so fearful of what is to come. You can't get your eyes off the one cooking. Give you everything that you can imagine. You're gonna you're gonna get up. You may not even come back. Because you're going to a all this stuff i did. As if god's gonna go whole michael jordan do the greatest player of all time which that's god saying anyway. Just want to end the debate. But that's the that's the greatest. Oh my goodness god's gonna say have time. My jesus jumped up. He even come down as some. How on shark pinks going to walk in and go home. I hope they invest in me. You bring all the goal. God's go great brought more pavement. Thanks brigade gain the whole world lose your soul and the only enter that seoul. Jesus christ it will not be you and they'll be nothing you can ever do this. Good enough you will never by the way. Here's a wrong question. We said it. We use these words in the wrong words. I need ask for forgiveness. Scott isn't gonna go. What did you do with my jesus because whatever we did is not good enough. you know. he's going to ask you when you stand before him. Who are you. And you know what jesus said in matthew many on that day. We'll say didn't we do these great miracles. Didn't we do all this. Great stuff. And jesus will depart from me. I never knew you all do is do do do do do. It's not what we do. It's who we are are better said who's we are. You don't have to agree with me. I just have to tell. You is the pastor of this church we believe the word of god makes crystal. I'm the way the truth and the life. Jesus said you can't be saved by works. it's nothing you will do. That's good enough but in me all things are made new and then fruit starts to happen. You can't fabricated. We're going to talk about that next week. But when you abide in him he abides in you and guess what happens. Fruit starts happening. Because it's not what you have created. It's what he does through us because of what he's doing in us heaven's not for good people heavens for bad people who will do the abc's admit who they're not believe who he is and commit their lives to him and when they really get that heaven starts today because heavens in your heart. And jesus said i came that you might have life now and life to the fall to the fall out. Invite the team out. But i want to ask a couple of questions do you really know in. Maybe the better question is is. Does he know you have. You surrendered your life. Damn have you just laid it down. Doesn't mean you always get it right in the moment you don't you want to sit. I'm saying like oh man. God reminded how much i just need. You just need you know one's good enough back in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy one led zeppelin performed a song called stairway to heaven in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. Acdc came out with a song entitled highway to hell. I don't know this person but someone took the two songs and made this incredible observation. The fact that there's a highway to heal and only a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic patterns. But that's what jesus said in matthew seven the highway to hell is broad and it's gate is wide and many will choose to go that way. I don't know why. I have no clue why i'm sorry. I'll just pause there that someone in the name of faith in christianity. Let you down. But what i'm more sorry about is you're gonna let them and their life justify yours. The church is full fully hypocrites. I'm probably the greatest churches full of centers. I'm probably the reason. I'm your pastor leaders because no one's probably done more than me. Welcome to the family of god. But i love the church because you. I'm here because i desperately need the who gave us the church and thinks. I'm one good-looking wife because that's what he says. My church is my bride. And i'll lay my life down for every day in every way. Jesus said i didn't say it. Wide is the gate that leads the hell why but the gateway to life is narrow and the road is difficult. I don't think it's difficult by the way we have to walk it. I think it's difficult that we're willing to admit it especially in this country when there's so much emphasis that success what you accomplish out about who you know. It's what we have as if somehow will make you secure. Yeah for a moment. You still die. You can't take any of it with you. Not a not a dime. There's no luggage and yet. I wonder how many cemeteries are full. Caskets full that if we could exhume it all. We could probably pay off the national debt. We just want mom or dad to take with them. They're not taking it with them. It's still a whole. Is that really what your mom and dad them for you to do is very in with something that can make an impact in someone else's life is that what they tell you got one shot. It's right now. Why look at a pandemic. it's going on. And i say it didn't change us at exposed us. We freaking out about. Let not your heart be troubled. Sinoe you wanna play encourage you. I'm okay if you disagree. And and i would encourage you to go to different church if you need a perfect pastor. I don't say that to justify who i am. Because i want to be perfect. I desperately want to be perfect. I'm reminded every morning when i get up and go walk who i'm not and i'm so thankful that in the midst of home not he really loves me but maybe the difference between you and i just have to say this when i get up in the morning and recognize who i'm not. I don't let that justify who i'm not gonna be. I'm going to do what paul said this. One thing i do know. I haven't gotten it right yet. But there's one thing i do know i'm going to press on to a much higher calling because greater is he is in me than anything in the world and laying my life down for jesus so worth it when he laid it down for me. Do you know him. Make that decision for you. And i don't know how you define ignorance ignorance to me would be if i get on a flight today and the pilots has welcome to united to fifty three. Glad you're on board just so you know i'm new at this about fifty percent of the time i don't land it okay so i got a parachute. But what the heck man. If might be that fifty cents to fifty percent of the time we get zero goods but come on. I know nobody would get on that plane and yet you will risk your eternal life for your pleasure today and a convenience of what you want and redefine the bible for what you think it is. And you'll give your life to your friends who use less than ten percent of the brain and you trust what man says who use less than ten percent of their brain and you will continue to forge risking one hundred percent of your life for the possibility that ninety percent if we could be opened up to it might be completely wrong. Just strange to me. I'd rather go to heaven friendless. Knowing i have one friend and go to hell and all of your my best friends. Do you know him to see now. You is not against you. He's not mad at you. he's not disappointed you. He has no expectations of you. He just wants to love you. Show you life. You could never imagine any other way. He knows you're anxious thoughts over your mayors. That might be struggling or maybe now offer. He knows the deepest concerns of your heart. When it comes to your children and their children's children he knows worries that you think about. How am i going to provide for my family. But even more he knows all those sins that you committed even last night thoughts you had. You shouldn't have had things you did. You shouldn't have done places you went. You shouldn't have been and he loves you so much. He doesn't condemn you or already condemned in ourselves. That's why the bible says there's no condemnation in him. He knew what we needed heaven. It is a place it's prepared place but it's for prepared people father. I risk here. Because i'm not capable of your love. I want to be consumed by it. I want to yield in ways. Never yielded before and i find quickly. Things are very parent in me but in those you. Don't show me those things to guilt me. You show me those things. So i was surrendered. There garden very aware of the fact that. How do i communicate to your creation. When i'm one itself home as you are how much you love us. You're not against us and you. You wanna give us life life to the full. We don't have to try. We don't have to work. We don't have to get up and rest in the guilt. Jesus free it. Changes begin to rest in. That heaven is in your heart and your will is that would come here on earth now. We don't have to wait for it. just receive it. I don't know where you're at right now. I don't even know if i've done a good enough job to explain things. You're because i'm very aware of who. I'm not but i'm trusting that every time i open my lips that even in my humanity god can do something that supernatural and he has spoken in your heart. Maybe there's a person you're gonna have to call the day and say listen. I need to ask forgiveness. Maybe there's someone that you judge them as a friend they were not instead you owning up the friend you need to be whatever. It is god. I just want to be obedient. I don't wanna live life in a rear view mirror. I want to look out the windshield of a highway that brings life and that can happen. Now i wanna be transformed breath that i stopped breathing. I'll be home with the father. I want in that same breath that that home right now is in me and people would see it. The people would know that and then my life would be accordingly. Tell you pray. I know that the bible says when the holy spirit moves maybe. We don't know how to pray but he'll show us how he'll give us the words whatever those are right now. I'm just saying what you pray him. Would you be as david and say god. Search me no me. Show me lead me in the way of everlasting. God may be our heart. Be our cry. It'd be are longing that the world would know you are lord. Thanks again for listening to hear more messages like this. Make sure to subscribe in. Check out our podcast channel for pass messages. And if you like what you're hearing consider rating evening sharing it with your friends. It helps so much you can click the share button. Take a screen shot and shared on your social stories antagonise at celebrate church for more content from celebrating to connect with us go to celebrate dot church. We love you and we believe in you god bless.

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That Hidden War // Making the Change (Part 2)

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59:50 min | 3 weeks ago

That Hidden War // Making the Change (Part 2)

"Everybody this is keith lee. I'm the founding senior pastor of celebrate church in sioux falls south dakota and this is our podcast i just want to say thank you for joining us and it is my prayer that this week's message would truly encourage you enjoy. God is good and all the time. You may be seated as you are. Want to invite you if you would in your bibles to go to fijian's four fijian's four. It'll take just a little bit to get there. But i i wanna just piggyback pastor. Tim shared with you. We're just a couple of weeks. Out of easter and easter is a game changer. Isn't it truly is as we sang. Reser rected king. He just didn't conquer death he is the king of life and it's him everything changes true and so i want to think about it. Come this may have been twenty two years since my wife and i pulled into a place called sioux falls in god began to do an amazing work and he is not finished and so as i shared with you get. These questions asked quite a bit. Will we add other services so we can kind of get back to normal. I just want to simply say we're not going back to anything. I have to keep saying that. I do not want to go back. We're going to press on and move forward so it's not about adding services and i wanna say this that's convenient to your world. We will add services as we're being the church in our city and then fill them up with people who need jesus christ. I want to say that again. I've had some people say literally. Say to me will pastor if we're not gonna saturday service. We're going to go to a church where they do. I just think that's sad to me. That hurts my heart. And i simply say i'm sorry to hear that we don't want you to go anywhere but to add a saturday service for you as a child of god to come where it's convenient schedule. Seems to really if you will seems to go in contradiction. What the word goddess about. We'll out of saturday service as long as you come and bring lost people with you because that's why we're here. I just want to think about somewhere we've got to. We've gotta start putting things in light of what the bible says. Why is christians. Do we save we surrender ourselves but then we keep fighting for what we like. And what's comfortable. That seems odd. That's like getting to heaven looking at god going. Listen i only want to be here. If they have a saturday service okay and jesus only preaches like like 'cause we got a few clouds and and i mean it just seems odd doesn't it jesus himself who we say a savior gave his life and across. Why would he expect anything less than for us. Jesus christ wash feet. He's the king of kings the lord of lords and you wash as your lord and savior wash u. fee. I didn't come to be i. I came to be last. And if you want to lead you need to be last because all the first will be last and all those who choose to be servant will be then what greatest of all. That's what it means to be a follower of jesus. It's not about us. And then jesus said what. Go and shine your light. Where did he ever say in. The bible is gonna be comfortable. Keep it to yourself because it's just personal. May everybody else go to hell. But thank god you're coming. They haven't said doesn't make sense. It doesn't even fit the narrative. What is the point of being a follower of jesus. If we're not going to follow. Jesus what is the word christian mean but to be christ like to give our lives away and so this is an i will tell you i say i always want to be if you will the hands and feet of jesus. I trust all of us. Really want to be that anytime i get up and preach. I don't want to say something. That that. I think i want to tell you the truth of what god wrote. That's always my heart. And so i'm very careful about saying these what i'm about to say because after all the years that i've been preaching i'm very aware of the fact that i'm still human and i can get it wrong but sometimes i think when i get it wrong is really the test if we're really going to be the church because any anybody can be a friend when we all agree true. Say anybody can do that. But but when we press in when we don't get it right. That's that's to me with the bible says you wanted to whom i my real followers aren't watch how they love one. Another love is always best. Testified when we're not in the same page but we keep loving the same person see. That's what it means to follow. Jesus and so but i will tell you i really believe that god is late in my heart that this easter this is a time. We are adding if you will sort of a test. Measure fate eight fifteen and we're doing that Because we don't want to change the ten we don't need to change anything. It's been way too much. Change in our world drew so we're keeping the ten o'clock partly so hopefully we can get out before noon. So you can beat the rush. And i will tell you i like that. Was it just me. Because i know he's watching wasn't pastor mike just a little too long. I mean i'm just. I'm just i love your brother. He wrote me and said he was. He was watching. He give hiding behind me. And i'm like what are you talking about. I still beat the line. So but but we're adding fifteen because what a time for your neighbors. Your friends people. That don't know christ to come. Because here's the deal is going to talk about. Jesus we're not going to talk about your typical easter if you will about jesus dying on a cross and rising from the grave. Here's here's what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the one who gave his only begotten son. It's a message. I've entitled father like son how the old adage goes and i want to talk about this for god so loved the world because i will tell you when you really get to know the father. Boy you really get to understand the sun. And i want to tell you about god. And i'm going to use the product story in because it really should be called the prodigal father not the prodigal son when you understand the word product means and i want i want to see a father how much he really loves broken loss people and how far he's willing to go. I'm excited about the message. Really felt god laid it on my heart and it's going to be an amazing an amazing easter this time. Let's pack this place out and any of you watching online. Bring him to your house. Pack your house out and it's gonna be great. Treat it like the super bowl you know. Have the snacks. All your d'oeuvres have him. Come over and get ready for the pre game because when the game starts god's going to win it's going to be awesome okay so i'm excited about that. If you've got your bibles we're going to an fijian's four. But i want to tell you a little story about legendary magician harry houdini. I'm sure you've heard of him. Most people don't know that when he would come into town new show he would often go to the local jail crowd of people along the way to create a buzz if you will for his upcoming performance is he once there he would ask the jailer to walk him in a sale in time after time jail after jail town. After around the great harry. Houdini would escape within minutes. Of course people will be impressed. They tell their neighbors more and they'd come to the show that evening until one local jailer. Who had heard that. Houdini was coming was ready. Thus one. houdini stepped inside the clo- and close the door of the jail sale. The jailer secretly. If you will turn the key the wrong way leaving the sale actually unlocked. everyone wash. Is houdini struggled to escape. Unknowingly locking himself in every time finally in frustration the great. Houdini admitted he could not escape. And it was at that. The jailer revealed his little secret. I don't want you to miss this. And i'll say it again. The great harry. Houdini have been lied to. Would you agree. But the lie wasn't his problem. I don't want to miss this. It was that he believed the lie and say well. He didn't know he was lied. And i can send the same problems in the church today. You and i have been lied to but the problem in the church isn't that someone lied to you. That doesn't surprise me. It's how many of god's quote followers believe the lie pastor. I'm not gifted like chris. Fickle lie zanu. Have nothing to really offer lie. Just just the way i am no. It's to lie and yet to many of the church. Those who claim to be a follower of christ that the greatest battle you have is not your spouse. It's not a wayward child. It's not your boss. It's not even the devil himself. Your greatest adversaries you and what you chose to believe. It's the greatest battle that we all have if you if you will. It's the battle of the minds. Is it not in fact henry. Ford one said whether you believe you can or you cannot. You're always right you're always right. It's crazy how it works progress. Twenty-three says this for as a man thinks watch in his heart. This is the issue. There are thoughts that the bible says. I need to take captive but i need to take captain as a lie not take them captive as in my heart as a belief and some of you. That's what you've done as a man thinks in his heart over time you've believed it to be true and it's a lie and the bible says for as a man thinks in his heart so he is you see every battle we face is lost or one right here. Every battle you phase is lost or one in our minds for as you think as you believe it shapes your life in fact the bible says it in providence for be careful how you think your life is shaped by thoughts shaped by your thoughts so if you want to win it life ready for this you got to change your thinking you've got to change your thinking and is to that that i wanna help you now. I don't know if you've ever heard these words. Anybody ever heard the words unavoidable excuse me. Unavoidable defect thank crazy. And yet you. And i are victims of all the time. Are you ready for this. Unavoidable defect is actually a term that the fda uses to refer to the amount of contamination that they will allow in your food. Let me let me say it another way. The fda says your foods contaminated. We're okay with that when it's at a certain level i'm trust me. You're going to change this. This is actual. Fda stuff ready for this pizza pizza. Be your last day. You like pizza. The fda allows thirty fly eggs per hundred grams of pizza sauce. Good how chocolate you don't want to know. The fda allows one hundred grams of chocolate sixty insect parts. See now. Dan just makes sense to me. That's why they actually take things like grasshoppers and now we haven't called chocolate covered. Grasshoppers can get bugs coverage why not in there how about in a canned citrus. Fruit juice mess with you. The fda will allow up to one magnet per two hundred and fifty milliliters about one cup of fruit juice. But here's good news. There's good news. If there is a container of juice that does not contain. It cannot have five or more flags. How about pasta pasta. I know some. you're thinking see. This is why we started meeting and it doesn't even matter if we get to lunch today. Does it. i get the word fast in the church. You know what i mean. Fda in pasta allows in six samples of pasta two hundred and twenty-five insect fragments. Now listen this is why from here on out. You can call me your excellency. You can call me reverend you. Do not call me pasta keith. Okay all right no more. How about some here going. How about peanut butter and jelly sandwich in most jams. And i'll just use cherry jam. There can be up to thirty percent mold in one hundred grams of peanut butter. They will allow twenty milligrams of dirt thirty insect fragments and to roden hair and in every kilogram of wheat they will allow nine milligrams of rat poop. That stinks. okay. Now you say why am i can go home now. Anyway you say why in the world am. I telling you this because i don't want to miss this. This is actually liberating you ready for this. Because some of you probably never gonna eat again. I'm not vegetarian. i'm like never. I'm dying game. The fda understands what g. o. d. says about life. Nothing is perfect. You say why. Do i say that. Because you know what's hurt in the church today thinking you are because you know why we can't forgive others because of this mindset because we don't want to give what we're not willing to admit when you understand the cross of christ that the perfect one took our imperfection it's easier to extend the same. Nothing's perfect nothing's perfect. I'm not trying to excuse who we are. Just trying to help you understand who he is and this whole battle that goes on within. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna help you with this but nothing is perfect. We need to deal with it just as our food is broken. We're all broken. Every relationship we've ever been or ever will be is broken. The economy is broken. Can someone give me an amen came. The weather is broken. The weather's broken the weather is broken. Is anybody seeing that. The bible tells us look at ecclesiastes seven. This is god's word there's not a single person in all the look at right now and say that includes you okay. There's not a single person who ready for this. Who is always good and never sins that you say. Why do i say that yet. Why is it when someone does quicker to walk away than we are to step in. Why is it that we read the scriptures and we're quicker to talk about someone else's failure into ever admit her own. The fda is a little more closer to go d. than maybe we're willing to understand see james goes on to say it this way. He's just crystal clear. No one is perfect and then he adds these words. Look at look at these words we get it wrong every time we open her mouth. Can someone give me a name. Ed absolutely folks. Every part of our life is broken and some of us have parts are personality. Broken parts in relationships are what broken and the older we get parts of our bodies all the older fever going. Yeah okay all right. Now he's gonna talk about me. I've shared this before. But i thought i'd shared again. You know it's about a little old couple man somewhere in their eighties. And and she had before she crawled into bed. She had just gotten out of the shower. She's not wearing anything she walks into the room. He's reading a newspaper in bed and she stands in front of a full length mirror and she just is really down so she's like look at me. Look at me. Everything in my body is falling apart. Look at me. Put my arms out. Just falls turnaround. It just falls. Everything's fall and she turns her husband says. Is there anything in my body. Tell me something good he says. Your eyesight is good. Listen listen listen. It's if there's one thing i want you to grasp. Was we walk about this battle in her mind and understand what it means to be in community with each other and experience. The love of christ the way it's supposed to be experienced. Please get this. As i just said everything is broken right. So here's the fact. None of us can be senlis correct but we can send less. That's what jesus came to help us understand and you ready for this. An sending less less becomes more more in how we live our lives in the world less we will beat ourselves down because in christ he's been what building us up less. Will we gossip. Because we understan- that our words can condemn us and he's already freed me less the fact that we will be more divisive or less about being divisive and more about being united and all of that happens when we understand this battle when jesus said this truth will set you free and i want to show you this because this is such a powerful powerful thing because you ready for this when we are in christ where it new creation and yet problem in the new creation is this ugly old keeps wanting to stick its face up and lift its voice up in that true come on. Is anybody ever gone through life. Goldman i'm trying to do the right thing. I'm trying to do the right thing. And then you get to the end. You're just exhausted. You just worn out anybody. Have you ever felt that. It's like dog gonnit. God i want to do what's right. You feel like what paul said don't you. When he says i want to do what's right. But i keep doing what's wrong and you just feel so beat up sometimes in. We're going to literally walk through that. The cycle of destruction and then how god flipped everything over and made it a cycle. You will of growth and of life phenomena literally pull out apart next week but man i wanna i wanna help you in this battle of the mind how we can win this thing over because it's not going to be easy. I'm just going to be front. And what you write these down real quick and then we're going to look at the answer right from god's word but there's a reason why it's not been easy and i want to show you how it happens. Here's the first one. It's not going to be easy to change the nature you know. Why because it's what we've been practicing. We've been practicing it. Are you're christians. Every time they leave the altar most of them go right out the door and instead of talking about what they now receive. They keep talking about where they've been. And as the old adage ago practice makes perfect by. Just say this when you keep practicing the old nature it becomes the pattern by which you try to live out. The new one practice makes patterns. You've heard the words. Familiarity breeds contempt. Will it's true and when something doesn't get addressed it becomes dress by which we walk in this world and that's not easy to change. Should be but i don't think we understand what it really means to surrender. Christ what we didn't get when we surrendered to christ the devil doesn't go away. There's a reason he's called the father of lies and he just keeps telling us doesn't he. He just keeps feeding it. And every time that we breathe it words condemn ourselves. I'm just nobody yes you are. You're somebody in christ could telling me about what you used to be. I've always been this way. No you have. It could tell me about where you've been. It doesn't matter where you've been where you are right now and where you're going that's why pulse it. I've put everything behind and impress onto what lies ahead. But you hear it in the church and then by then the church doesn't help you know he is well. It sounds like someone who loves god and loves the family of god. Why do you keep talking about the family of god in a way that god would never talk about you see. That's the stuff pulses. We have to take him captive. Because when you keep rehearsing it it becomes the pattern by what you live out. We need to quit living as the devil is telling us lies and when you start walking in the truth of what god says who we are and end of that but that doesn't happen now but again i'm going to show you how but it's hard to make the change when it's the way we've been practicing and then when it becomes practice you ready for this over time. It became our identity. That's why it's hard to change. It became who we are we. I just said it how many times you heard someone say. Maybe you just always been this way. My daddy was that way. My grandpa was that way near lord. They're all dead. Watch this you see what happens every time you talk like that you become your own self fulfilling prophecy you keep becoming exactly what you say and you start living the lie because you're believing the lie back to our first story. The doors unlock. Just push it open. Christianity isn't a magic trick. I don't care who the jailer is. The father of lies. I don't care which way he turns the lock in. Christ door's always open. Open it up. Just open it up. See we have to stop confusing our identities with our defects. I'd about you. I'm still gonna eat pizza. See if some you stop and go why would you. Why would you. Why would you do that. Why didn't know that it's it's the truth but it's a lie only in the sense is you've been eating pizza all these years. You're not dead yet. Why would you stop eating pizza. Just because it's something. I said and yet how many christians are going right along. And the devil says one little thing and it alters and changes their entire life. I'm free in jesus. I was free the day. I gave my life to christ and as i've grown. I'm still walking in that freedom. I'm not going back of what the cross did in that moment in time. I don't care what you say. I don't care what the world says. i don't give up my god. Who created all things says. You're my child and whom i love. I wrote your name in the book of life and nothing can snatch how eating pizza. I'm eating chocolate. White chocolate cake. Chocolate goes over that peanut butter. Okay you see how it works but when you keep practicing it it becomes your identity. But can i tell you another reason why it's going to be a little hard to change because there's this there's this satan who wants to destroy our lives and he's not gonna go away he's not going to if you don't want satan in your life than resign right now. I want to go to hell. And he'll leave you along and just make sure you enjoy the few little years that you have in the scratch of forever says all you're gonna get but i would rather have to fight a battle you ready for this in that little. Scratch knowing that i'm victorious and i'll half forever and all he has is the scratch. You see how that works and so we'll we'll battle will battle. There's a reason why. John eight that jesus said he's the father of lies that's what he does. He's been whispering in our ears lies and he's going to do it till the day you breathe your last by why because he wants you and i in are stuck nece ver- god says no. I got something better. And so if you've got your bibles a fiji's chapter four chapter four. And i'm reading from the new living translation and folks. This is good. News isn't it. This is good news. This is great news fat. in fact. I'm going to do something. I don't know if it's a prompting of god but if you're able to i wanted to stand in the of god as we read i want us to stay in the presence of god as we listened to his word and if you've got your bibles you put it right there in front of you have your pen in hand because i want you. Look what god's word says fijian's four versus fourteen of where. I'm going to begin and i'm reading from the bible app. Maybe you're following along with me. I love this thing. Then we will no longer be immature like children. Then he's talking about what it means to walk in crisis then we will no longer be immature like children. We won't be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever. They sound like the truth instead. We will speak the truth in love growing in every way more and more like christ who is the head of his body. The church he makes the whole body fit together perfectly as each part does its own special work. I love that it helps the other part. Scroll i need you. You named me so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love for seventeen with the lord's authority. I say this live no longer as the gentiles. Do what is he talking about. The unsaved for they are hopelessly confused. No kidding their minds watch us. Their minds are full of darkness. They wander from the life. God gives because they have closed their minds knows if you want to circle word circle that they closed their mines and thus they hardened their hearts against him. That's what happens when we're not in the word we will be in the world and the world will eventually take over. That's why said his sister that will set you free. They have no sense of shame. They live for lustful pleasures and they eagerly practice notice that practice becomes their pattern. They practice every kind of impurity. But that isn't what you learned. That isn't what you learned. When i talk about that in just a moment since you have heard about jesus and have learned the truth that comes from him. Throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life. It's time for it to die which is being corrupted by lust and deception instead. Let the spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes knows what the spirits can renew your thinking. Romans twelve says be transferred by the transformed by the renewing of your mind. We need a new mind. We need god's mind. I twenty four put on your new nature created to be like god truly righteous and holy. Stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors. The truth for we are all parts of the same body. You may be seated. Love god's word someone give me a name in. i want to give you four keys to effective change. Four keys the battling if you will this battle her my because we all know that our minds this mess us up don't they. They keep telling us the wrong things. I don't want you to have the wrong things. I don't want you have stinking thinking you're better than that. And according to god you're more valuable than that and satan is the father of lies and trust me. He's gonna keep speaking all these lies. That's why i'm not anti tv. But if you spend more time in front of the tv than you do in god's word guess what you're gonna start believing if you keep turning on c. n. n. you're going to be an s. i n. Why is it that we stop and go. What media just tells us lies but not fox. You know what i mean. Anybody ever heard sly as a fox. Okay i'm not trying to criticize him. Just telling you there are so many people that have the news. The problem is there's only one who has the good news and we need to decide what we're going to tune into. I'm not anti those things. I'm not anti going to a good game. I love a good game. I love watching talent in motion. I don't care where it is whether it's on a field or on a canvas of art or someone singing. I just love talent in motion everywhere you go. It's just the coolest thing to watch. But i wanna make sure i spend most of my time with the one who gave him the talent because we're all going to become like that which we hang around and satan knows that but god knows that too. So here's the first thing that paul tells us if we wanna make an effect effective change and we want to win in the battle of our minds. Here's the first one. We have to learn the truth. Say that with me. We need to learn the truth ready for this. Not just the truth about god but the truth about you and i both matter because no one in this room is going to experience freedom. Until they know god's truth about you what he knows about you and what he knows about himself. Look good verse. Twenty one says since you heard all about jesus circle back since you heard all about jesus but watch. He adds and have learned the truth. That is in him. See both are important because we all know you can hear something that you never heard it. See to hear something. It changes us. You know young people when mom comes. Can you go clean your room an hour later. You hadn't cleaned the room. You never heard her say you heard it should never heard and you don't wanna miss a mama because in our house you you saw my dad see. My mom was brilliant. You don't mess with mama mama daddy and i remember years ago. What am i was kind of having a match with mom and no kidding mom went to slap him and he goes grabbed her hands. As you think that'd be wise in. My mom is calm is i'm standing here goes. Let's ask your daddy. That was a game changer. And i loved every minute of so. It's not just in hearing. According to james chapter one it's about doing because that's what it means to really have learned something. I want you if you would if you got your bibles go to go to romans. Real quick just flip over to romans. There's a powerful passage here that we all maybe were familiar with. Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of god. But i think something gets missed your so often and i want you to watch this so versus teen says enrollments ten but not everyone welcomes the good news for isaiah the prophet lord who has believed our message so he adds that verse so faith comes from hearing and that is hearing the good news about christ but i ask have. The of israel actually heard the message. It's a great question. He says yes they have. The message is gone through years and the words to all the world. I wanna say it again. Romans one even says this when people stop and go what what about. Those people have never heard about god according to romans one that god has the power to show himself without unite even speaking about him because romans one says that no one is without excuse god his made himself known even through his creation. So i don't in atheists you'd have always i even said that wanna guy comes up goes well i am one of you were one and you really didn't believe in god. Why do you care what i said. Why he so defensive. See someone who doesn't believe in. Something isn't defensive. They have nothing to talk about because it doesn't exist in the first place the moment they let you know they're telling you what they really believe. They're just hurt. And that's what i've learned. I don't believe that people don't believe there's god there been hurt by god. They've been mad. They're upset might have lost a child say wolf there really a ago. That's a fair question. They might have gone through broken ship. That's a fair question i. I'm not offended by that. I get that question. I'm glad they're asking it but you see how this works. So he says yes they have. The message is going out to the earth in the words to all the world watched the very next question. But i ask the people of israel really understand. Did they really under stand see. I'm here to tell you if you don't get anything else. Get this the secret or personal changes not a pill a program or process. You can go to counseling you one. But there's a reason why he's called wonderful counselor mighty god prince of peace. Everything we need is right here in the word of god amen to that. It's right here in the word of god and is the great profit. Sean connery said in the untouchables. Thus ends the lesson but now listen. This book is not just god's truth about you it also reveals the lies. You believed about yourself and so as you read out goes the old and incomes the new. That's why we have to really if we wanna make a change. We not only have to face the truth of god but we need to face the truth about ourselves. That's where surrender comes in. We gotta know and face the truth about her relationships. The ones we shouldn't have been we've got an on face the truth about her past places and things that we've done we shouldn't have. We've got an on face. The truth about our habits are hurts in our hangups ready for this because behind every self defeating behavior was allow you chose to believe and the only way change comes is by confronting the lie with the bedrock of god's truth that's why jesus said in matthew seven anyone who hears my words and puts them into action is like a wise builder who built his house on the rock. So win the winds. Blow the rainfalls. That house will stan. He's the father of lies. Satan is always lying to us. But god never will. So what are the lies that you need to learn the truth out and admit them and in doing that. You learn the truth about what god really says about you. Amen simone name amen. Okay this is why we do these classes. This is why we curse you to be in a life group. Not a death or a life that opens. God's word is why we to bring your. Because jesus said what when you know the truth. The whole truth is truth. Nothing but that truth it will set you free and we'll help you make the change. Learn the truth amen. Here's number two but for that to happen. you have to make joys. You've got to make the choice because it doesn't happen by. It happens by choice. You can do all you want about wanting willing doing it but nothing happens until you choose it folks. I know a lot of people who think about change. I know a lot of people who even plan to change but they never change because they never make the choice. Empl the trigger. You gotta make the choi. It's like a trap artist on the circus. What do they do. What makes it so spectacular and you pay the big bucks. They come down and they let it go so they can grab hold of the other that takes him to the other side for an imagine if they just all of a sudden you know you'd you'd be glad you pay to see how long they can hold that data got a net. This is going to be good. You know. I think this is what a lot of people in god's churches christians look like. Are you ready for this. Do you know why for god's so the world gave us jesus he did this or you didn't have to let it go make the choice equations for look at verse twenty to throw off throw off here old evil nature. Throw it off. Let it go. You know that. Former way of life which is rotten through and through full of lust and deception as i said earlier. It's hard to make the change. And this is why paul said flipping to. He says this continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling with fear and trembling. It's like going to the gym. Why do you keep going to the gym. Because that's where most grows. You need to work out your salvation. You don't just walk up to the altar of god and surrender your life and then go back to what you think. Satan's roaring lion. He'll chew you up. He'll spit you out. He's a lion anybody seeing the lion. He's scar come on. But but we got moved. We got zimba and scars going to die. You gotta throw it off. Make the choice. You gotta work out your salvation. You gotta stay in the gym. That's why get up every morning this morning. Up early. a prayer walk. I love it and then in the word of god because nothing else matters more. Go to work out myself vacation but watch what he says for as you work it out. Look what happens for it is god who works in to will and to act according to his good purpose. He's changing our thinking. As i'm in the word working out he's working it in in that good word see the working out. As my part i gotta let go and the working in part where i grab hold and everybody applauds. It's pretty cool nicole. Which brings me to step three here. Step three so then you need to. What work the spirit. Okay you gotta work the spirit. This is such important stuff people. Don't miss this. You gotta work the spirit. Let me just process these through one more time. Okay learn the truth. Make the choice to work. The spirit put the word to in front romans. Eight six as this. The might the mind controlled by the sinful nature is death but the mind controlled by the spirit is life and peace. You just can't get up every morning. Go out and say well today. I'm going to be patient person. How's that working for you anyway. Like i say that every morning. And then i get in my truck and go out and traffic. And it's amazing. The mind of the flesh seems to show up anybody else with me. Oh put your hand up. I have seen you drive. Okay you see write this down. Willpower is not god's power. Willpower is not god's power fruit is an inside job. You can plant any tree you on out back. You can staple oranges do it right. It's not gonna farewell. I'd get out there and pick them as fast as she could okay. Don't count on oranges being there tomorrow. Fruit is an inside job. That's why paul says in a fijian's four look at throw off your evil nature your former way of life and instead here's the grabbing hold of let the spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes let the spirit put on your new nature created to be like a truly righteous and holy now. How does the spirit do this stuff. Right told you is is we can. We may not be able to be seamless but we can send less here. It is you know how spirit works. Gradually someone go. Thank you for telling me that. I'm saddened by churches. That say now you've arrived. Go and change the world. You have nothing between your ears could lock. You know what i mean. I mean it's what i love about god. You know why. Because of you. And i met jesus and he showed you everything about your life in that moment. There's not a person that could handle that. There's nobody in this room. Could handle it if he showed you. How wicked you are. And so like a little child. He applauds swimmer born. And then we start rolling then we roll over. And what do we do. We take our phone out and we take a fixture and we tell everybody and then when they take that first step so excited and then they learned to walk and then they turn ten and my little daughter doesn't want to sleep around this or nearest much anymore. And you realize doggone another chapter closed and so. I wrote my daughter's this weekend when that happened. And i broke jordan and jaden. Ed i gotta tell you your dad is is so grateful. But he's feeling sorry for himself right now. Because i wish i could turn back the clock and do it all over again. It's such a quick trip. But i didn't right but then you became teenagers. And now you're out on your own. You're such a moron. I don't tell them that. Some parents do and a lot of christians. That's exactly what they do. Why shouldn't they know better. They just found the lord a week ago. How could they call themselves a christian and do that. I don't know how can you call yourself a christian and talk like that see i. When do we stop it. And realize i can't change a life you can't change life but the holy spirit can and he will. He will do it gradually. That's why said doesn't that. Just feel he'll he'll do gradually because he loves you any shows us and we grow a little more and shows us with a little more. That's why we stay in the word we make the choice. We're learning about him see. That's what second corinthians three says as the spirit of the lord works notice as the spirit of the lord works within us notice the progression here comes. We become more and more like him. See when god wants to make a mushroom. He takes six hours when he wants to make an oak tree. He takes sixty years so the question. You need to ask yourself. Do you want to be a fungus foundation. You gotta decide by the way as your pastor. Can i just say something. I can help you get from here to here but can't do it for you overnight. There's no such thing as instant maturity and you can't microwave the work of the spirit. He's a crock pot. I'm an invited team out. Because here's number four and it's really important. I'll close this bingo stuff helpful. Here's number four belong to believers and what you look at some right now. Say i belong to you okay. Now by the way now turn to someone you're not married to because they know that okay turn out. Because they know that the noticed it's always turns to the wife and says i belong to you just like i know man you'd be doomed without buddy right but belong belong to believers see one of the great necessities and being a follower of jesus is our need of community. That's what he said in verse. Twenty five put away all the lies. Put away the falsehood. Tell your neighbors the truth because we belong to each other. Note the word belong. If you're a believer uraba longer see. I gotta help you this. If you're serious about changing your deepest hangups defects if you're serious about fighting this battle in winning you need others in your life. You cannot do it in isolation. That's why break smart. When i hear christians go know i don't need the church. Wow really what bible you read that in. Because that's not in there and get it. You probably were hurt someone in the name of jesus stab you in the back can. Can i just share this way. I i'm sorry for that. I really am especially if it was me. Because i'm very aware on capable of that. And i'm sorry but don't let that determine your incredible walk with christ and the need. His beautiful wife called the church see. I think it's in those times where we actually mess it up that we can really decide in grow the most and then show the world. How cool being a follower of jesus. That's when it happens. Sea change never happens in isolation. But when you choose to be there. That's exactly where the devil wants to get you because a wolf never attacks the sheep in a heard he tries to get a sheep in isolation. That's why the bible says. I'll leave the ninety nine for the one. I just gotta get him back in the herd so they can see how beautiful they really got it. It's a beautiful thing. We need each other proverbs. Twenty eight says you'll never succeed in life if you try to hide your sin confessed them to one another and give them up. Then god will show you mercy see. Here's what i think our biggest hurdle to holiness as we all wanna look good don't we. That's why it's so easy to play the game. We want everybody see how great we got it. We don't want him to be in our minds. Now remember the battles in the mind so we don't. We don't want him to know that we have those lustful thoughts that we shouldn't have had. We don't want him to know those murderous thoughts we had when we were driving and we laugh but they actually come up sometimes. Don't they just like what the heck was that. The bible says the mind of man is ugly. It's evil who can ever know the mind of christ but it's the mind of christ we need. We don't wanna talk about those we don't want to talk about those things that we might have struggles with because we wanna look good so we become image conscience rather than intimate conscience. But when you're in a group this is fun when you're in a group with healthy godly believers they already now. You don't have to look good because you know you don't look at it because they know they don't look good. That's why they just share. That's when you're talking saying listen man. I've been married for all these years. I've just got this lustful fought in and they're like what you're talking about been there and that's where the more you those people you just feel you can share anything. I have road rage in some time driving. It's terrible. I mean i'm i get so angry. They said like you want to kill him. Don't you and they're like you think i haven't thought that way. See and that's that iron sharpening iron. It's a whole different world when you're sitting with someone you say. Listen i got these thoughts and like harm hockey hall. Who would want to be a part of that church. I wouldn't. I wouldn't the only one in this room who's holy imperfect his name is. Jesus christ the power of the holy spirit because of all mighty got it. Ain't preacher kief. But i'm seeking that one and you need to seek him to. We need to be in life with others. Clinicians to six two says by helping each other with your troubles your now truly obeying the law of christ crisis love god and love one another. So here's my question that i pray. How serious are you about winning the battle. Because your lots are shaping your life. What you think is determining everything in paul said. I know whom. I believe if i'm convinced he's able to guard that which i've entrusted. You know that truth will set you. Free are you. Are you making the choice are you letting the holy spirit do it on the holy spirit can and are you doing it with others. You win every time father. Your word is so good. Wow it's so good. God thank you. I thank you for everyone in this room. I thank you that we get to do life together. It's not easy. I get it. That old keith. Wants to stick its head up and so many lies that i believe that i still get affected by today but we have the power of the spirits. Whoa whoa stop. That's not the truth. And we read the word and it's just like it washes it away tells us who we really are. We're a child of the king. maybe a product ones. But we're home with the father and you clothed with righteousness. You crown us with glory. You shot our feet with truth you give us a heart of righteousness that's who you are. You are a good father. And i say thanks god. I love the church. Pray everyone in their spirit right now and say i love the church. I love the bride of christ. Which i'm a part. Gotta thank you. May we walk in that today. Growing in the truth and who we are who you are. And jesus name says thanks again for listening to hear more messages like this one. Make sure to subscribe in. Check out our podcast channel for pass messages. And if you like would you hearing evening sharing it with your friends. It helps so much you can click the share button. Take a screen shot and shared on your social stories and at celebrate church for more content from celebrating to connect with us go to celebrate dot church. We love you and we believe in you god bless.

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