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Defining the role of strategy in your digital campaign.
"Thanks for joining us at the business growth cafe where each week we select from a menu of topics for a focused discussion with an industry expert to provide insights that can impact your. Business's growth with your host. Angelo Ponzi I am Angelo Ponzi your host here at the business. Growth Cafe and thank you for joining us. It's almost August first two, thousand twenty. Five nast once I have been asked a thousand times, maybe ten thousand times I might be graduating rating a little about SEO PPC facebook advertising landing pages websites social media except direct setup man I miss those days someone would say, Hey, let's do a radio and TV camping. Now The help solve and maybe address some of these questions and issues I have with me today at the Cafe Katie Wagner she is the founder and CEO K. W. SM a Digital Marketing Agency and congratulations celebrating your tenth year. But before Katie and I jump into this I'm GonNa take a quick break. A chief marketing officer has both the power and the responsibility to drive long term strategic growth that can ultimately lead to organizational prosperity and that growth starts with vision. What is your firm definition of success? Growth how you teach worked towards expansion for them. Equally, important, what is your customers perception of your firm and how well do you meet a need for delivered value? When you begin to align your vision without of your customer, you build a stronger lasting relationship with them. You see the whole picture realizing the lifetime. Of that customer as well as the lifetime value you provide a CMO must look at success with a strategic mindset looking beyond the transactional the CMO must understand the customer journey utilizing the competitive intelligence embracing and leveraging your unique market insights if your business is ready for growth and you need a Cmo but you're not quite ready for full-time person yet, I welcome the opportunity to explore the benefits of using factual CMO missed the positive group DOT COM to learn more. Mentioned, I have Katie Wagner Donder CEO of K.. W.. SMS Digital. Marketing Agency with me here at the cafe. To answer your questions and offer up some great advice on the importance of implementing an effective digital campaign for Your Business. Katie welcome. Unfathomable. I'm so happy you were able to join me today I. I know that you're a busy agency executive leader I, know that happens when you haven't please a lot of time your time is not your time. To to carve out some. Some time to share your knowledge and offer some advice to my listeners. I really appreciate that. Thanks but before we get started, why don't we? Review that week, you take a few minutes to talk about you and your agency and your services and all that good stuff. Sharon, happy to as you mentioned capably, SM is ten years old to twenty as our anniversary and before I started the agency I was actually a television anchor for fifteen years and like many of us I saw my industry changing when social media digital tools started to get big and so I retired from television in order to teach business owners, how to use digital tools to help tell their story and get in front of their target audiences, and that's really what KWS's is all about. We're a full service digital agency, but we really focus on messaging and story and how to get your. Story in front of the people that need to hear about you because Angeles. So often people think digital is about attack and it is to a certain extent, but you can have the most complicated lead generation funnel in the world, and if you can't get somebody into it with good content, then it's not worth anything. So we think that's really the first step in and we we are professional storytellers, rand journalists. That's how we think of ourselves, and then we help distribute that brand journalism on the tools that will get people into the funnel and into the sales flow or or lead generation flow. I love with way. You just described that because so many times it's about the tech. I. At least in the conversations I have they're so concerned with how it gets done I was. Talking to a prospect, I duNNo. About three weeks ago. And during the conversation, every a seemed like every every question it was like. So what are the tools you use for that? What are the tools you use her that I'm thinking who cares about the tools? We have to understand the messaging and the strategies in the content, right? Now to get it there because of it, no matter what we say if we if they're not coming to your site or whatever because we're not giving relevant information that that the tools are just tools while and that's what I say you know sending a tweet isn't hard. It's a Senate right sending an e blast. Most of us can figure that out. But knowing what to say in how that's GONNA fit into the overall story in messaging that's an art form and I really think that is the most important part of any campaign. And I think one of the shortcomings is that business owners get fooled by all the tech right? They they meet agencies or consultants that understand the tech can speak that language and business owners don't know they don't know and so they think, oh well, they can take care of this and then it comes to the message and there's nothing there. There's no. Fought behind that part and the whole thing falls flat and they wonder why? You and I talked about this before. Your experiences with with other digital firms Really it was about attack in a in a soon as we got into messaging was always I gotta go talk to somebody else because they couldn't answer it and and it was really about how to maximize and you know what those tools were and things like that it and so I I love your perspective on it and honestly that sure I've talked to many digital people he came at it that way and that's obviously how I come at it from a messaging standpoint and so to me that that's fantastic. I love that. Thank you. I like to ask some questions of all my guests before we can dig into the topic at hand. So when it now ten years again. And you have multiple offices you have offices in L., orange? County and San Diego in Las Vegas and Atlanta I believe. All right. My memory's not going yet. So during this process and obviously you have a machine them, you have an engine, you have with lots of employees what keeps you up at night when you think about growing Your Business Oh, that's an easy one. It's the same sticking point we've had for ten years finding the right people to hire to grow fast enough. So when the businesses there when the clients are there, it's finding the right people to add to the team to make sure that the standard of work on the quality of what we put out doesn't dip. And I think that's hard to come by right were really picky about who we add to the team. Most of our staff has a journalism background. Most of them are professional storytellers, but they also have to be the right culture is you know from your agency days that when you're working together. So collaboratively for a client and everybody has to brainstorm together and really be part of the same machines. The culture is important. The fit within the team is important and I think were so careful about choosing the people we. And we're not huge. We've got between thirty five and forty people on the team now. But. We're so careful that all of this people will get along and we eliminate the conflicts between them, and that makes us do better work. It's better I serving our clients that way, and so yeah. When I lie awake at night that's when thinking about where's my next higher? How am I going to find these people to to help serve glance while? And that was really well put because it isn't just about the body became a body can be so disruptive and cause more damage if you will 'cause. He goes or whatever it happens to be than finding the right people in the. Play, well in the sandbox together. Because your point, your sometimes, I, remember in my agency when. It might be seven, eight, nine, ten eleven o'clock at night and we've got four days together some campaign and you know everybody's tired. Angst and ready to jump on anybody says the slightest wrong thing. But ultimately, we have to all work for that common purpose in you have a another challenge in in the sense that not only have to find the right people. But you also find the right people within your various offices that could also play well with people in different offices at Trulia and as we've grown, we've we've really developed sort of separate cultures in all those offices. So sometimes we meet somebody in Atlanta and we say, Oh, they'd be great for San Diego, but we can't put them in Atlanta because of. The team there and and I think that's been hard. We've had to say no to a lot of employees who could probably do the work. But as you just said, if one person disrupts that culture that's bad for the clients, it's bad for the work we produce in. So we really have to guard that above all else and we do things like personality tests than men have extensive interviews and appear interviews in coffee dates before we hire them to make sure it's GonNa Mesh because the quality of our work is so much stronger when we can work as a common unit with. Common Vision in mind. I, remember my last corporate job, which is two thousand eleven. And So through the recruiter. met with a with who would have been my boss and then I went to the CEO then I went to the next person in charge, and then I had a peer meeting with like four people that would be working under me. Then I had to go back again and have another interview in what they did at which I thought was really interesting to the end of all that they said Okay S- between you and somebody else you've now been here. Interviewing whatever that was seven times and I think that Larry was the number. You've got five minutes to make a presentation. To tell us how to move forward at after all the things that you've learned in. It was like wow. Five yeah, it was really challenging. To to communicate what I heard and what I think you should do going forward and. An actually one that job and the interesting thing is when I when I got into it, the plan I laid out in that five minutes was the plan we actually ended up executing. So. That was really interesting. That never happened to me before. I like that because thinking on your feet is a big part of this job right being able to invade and put stuff out there sometimes we I shouldn't give away too much but sometimes in interviews will hand. The interviewee one products client products that we promote and we say tell us about a campaign for this and often it's so we work a lot in fitness a fitness product and they don't know what exactly it is or what it does explain it, and then they have to tell us who they're gonNA target what channels they're gonNA use to promote it and what the thought behind the campaign is and you Can tell a lot about whether somebody can do this job in those moments. You know not only can they innovate and come up with creativity but can they keep their calm and stress because it is is a high pressure job. It's a stressful job right and they have to be willing to stay calm and think straight in this instances right in betting on the on the role if they're an account person. In their stint sitting in front of the client and you're having those kinds of meetings and you can't think on your feet I remember I remember in my early days when if I did know something I'd say ought to get back up to get back to you because I was still learning ran I. Remember my boss told me and said you gotTa stop saying that the client doesn't want to know that. You have to go to somebody else they wanNA know you can do it and I was like really I, get it now and and the kind of change things the way I, approached business and and frankly started probably using more my research skills to understand what was going on. So when I get into those meetings I could I could have pivot and just the way I am now but yet it's It's it's interesting to see the personalities and how people. React in certain situations because to your point. Marketing it is stressful job. Sorry to disappoint you folks out there listening but yes, it is stressful. It is stressful. We all have couches in our offices. We can lay down and and have our weekly. Shrinks come in and doctor was. That's right. That's right. It's not just playing on social media all day sadly yeah. Yeah. I and I think sometimes I again, I go the back of my agency days people will just had this total misunderstanding about what we did. You know that we. Were in demand, right so they thought we were sitting around drinking Martinis and you know playing poker at night like now now that doesn't it's not works at all. However, I did have some alcoholic beverage clients and so we did do some drinking that's for sure. Next question is, what is the best business advice you've ever received? And door given the their different. A communist start with given. So the one of my tenants and business is to make decisions as the CEO for the company were going to be and not the company we are today. and. So when I started the agency ten years ago, it was just me in my sweatpants in my spare bedroom with a laptop right I thought it'd be a consultant I did not realize was growing agency but a few weeks. Then when determined I could turn this into a real company I decided that I would make decisions for the company. We would be five years down the road and not for just me and my bedroom. And that meant that as we brought on team members, they were employees right out of the gate and we gave them full benefits right out of the gate and back then I really couldn't afford that. But I knew that the company I wanted to be one day boost things were important and so I also know myself well, enough that I'm goal oriented I like a challenge, and if I put those things in place I would work up to the level where I could afford them rather than less people down. And and that's what happened. We grew sixty percent or better every year since then and and it's because I act like a company five years down the road from where we are. We make decisions and plans in place for that company, and then we grow into it. And that Maybe that's bold I am certainly not risk at first, but it has served us well over the years. So that's my best advice on the best advice at the gotten. On. Was was from my dad probably recently wrote an article about things. My Dad taught me about leadership and. One of them was. To stay true to who you are and your core values and what's important and when when I was growing up our family motto was never lied cheat or steal which seems simplistic but I know this was our family motto because my dad would drill it into my siblings in my head every time we left the house every time we had a tough decision to make you know you're McClellan that's my main McLellan's don't lie cheat or steal okay and and I really realized that my dad was an excellent leader because. He was straightforward and clear in the communication and it was consistent many days of my life and I think that's my business advice that that as a leader, you have to be clear in in the goals in the initiatives in the core values and have to communicate them consistently, you can't assume as you're growing a team or company that that people know that they remember those things are important or how we make decisions or integrity matters. Those are things that have to be communicated every step of the way and constantly reminded. Especially, if you expect people on the front line to make decisions with those things ingrained in them, because often in a my team interfaces with clients and I'm not there in those meetings, and so the problems they solve the responses they give in the moment have to reflect the stance of the agency, the core values of the agency, and they need to have a really ingrained understanding of that to be able to do that in an appendage. You know. I love what you said. Actually it's it's interesting. You Talk About Your Dad I'm actually in the process of writing a book about the lessons learned from my father. How they influenced Me As an entrepreneur and we won't get sidetracked on that but. It the other thing I I really love what you do is said in an I do this with my clients that we have to go out three five years whatever happens to be at work backwards were only looking what's tomorrow. Then we're already behind it and we can't really adjust in change we if we really don't have target out there but not necessarily want be but I am and let me work backwards to make that happen. The other thing you said that I think is really important as communications is I look at leadership and I, look at leaders. And I see him slightly different than and really providing leadership and empowering people to understand that the integrity the vet. Of Your Agency and how they need to adhere to. That was an above all the end of the day clients come and go. As as I've been told many times clients come and go that. You WanNa maintain your brand, the integrity of your agency because somebody else new will come along and. Shifting in in pivoting, based on who you're trying to attract. Right now I think it's it's basic branding or marketing. Right? You have to name war as a company in order to communicate that but I also have I think you have to know that that doesn't change even when times get tough or clients don't respond well, it's not the right fit and I think it really came into play for us during the pandemic because at the beginning of the pandemic people back on marketing, they get worried and we made the decision as an agency that we were going to. Be High. Integrity I and let anyone out of their contracts that needed to get out of their contract and we could have said No. Now you've signed something you owe US money but people didn't have the money they were scared and they were cutting expenses to keep from laying people off and we just made the decision that we would. We would hold to what we believed and let them out and that that hurt you know in the short term and it could have hurt a lot longer but it was the right thing to do and my staff knew that and they. They acted accordingly and I think it's served us well in the long run because we've now rebounded, which were lucky for but we never stopped being the company that we're proud of an acting in a way. We're proud of with our clients and I, think that resonates with the people that are the right fit for us. You know and I've been lecturing on that that that businesses shouldn't pivot to the point where they're hurting their brand right because when you do come back, you potentially are a different brand and now you've got bigger issues. while in the world eighty changing but. But you need to make pivots that makes sense right you can't become a different company overnight just to try to give people what they want because they're gonna want something different as the situation evolves and if you're constantly changing, then you don't have a story right you don't have a message to put out there that resonates with people because they can't pin you down. When so we start off talking a little. Betton. I think this'll be a different answer but manassas question anyway. So fit what I when I asked, you kept you up at night. You mentioned it was your people from the very beginning it was about your people clocks. So if you look at your ten years in growing your business, what was the kind of the biggest challenges I mean again, my listeners are startup small businesses, medium sized businesses, but you know what? It was some of the business challenges that you faced as you grew. I think the biggest challenge is that when you're a startup or an entrepreneur at the beginning, you do all the jobs, you wear all the hats you deliver the work, you sell the work, you analyze the work you're doing the invoicing, you're doing the customer service and that's the way all of a start and I think the hardest part for me with each time I. Had to give up one of those jobs. It's a great milestone in a business where you're hiring people to take on those responsibilities in your training them in. You're letting go of a piece of that but then it's also a transfer of trust right? A lot of trust to put in somebody to say okay. Now, I'm not going to do the sales or I'm not. Going to do invoicing or I'm not gonNA run this account trust people to do that and I think that was the moment for me or those many moments when I had to really make the decision over and over again am I going to be a consultant or am I growing accompany you know are you going to be really good at what you do or? You GonNa, grow a company that's bigger than than who you are and what you can do alone and I. They're different answers to that question. But I chose to grow a company and today I couldn't do half the work we do for clients at a tenth of the work by myself it really takes the team. So that was a hard thing for me to learn but. The. Other thing I think is when you get to that point, it's shifting from being the expert being the one who knows how to do the work to being the leader of people that do you know I? I was television Edgar as I mentioned before I started this company and I never been a CEO. I'd never really been the boss of anybody quite. Frankly and to learn how to leave now, a team of thirty, five forty people and give them what they need them in all the ways that allow them to be. Their best bet is a completely different skill set and I've had to do a lot of self development and a lot of on seeking the right answers to able to learn do that I think letting go for me was the the part went win when I started. My first business it was it actually in the film business. With this brilliant idea to bring. Television and commercial. Production to Orange County In and out nate months. So it didn't didn't quite work all our work ended up being Los Angeles, and is it's a long story, but it was a great education but when I started my my second business. And I was a consultant, a freelance strategic planner to advertising agencies, and so I did that for like four years maybe five years before I converted to becoming a full service agency and I was me and I today I opened I had me and somebody else, and then it was the third person than it was the fourth person and to the point that you were describing as okay I can't continue to do everything. What do I let go do I bring in that next person to do that job and so that? was that was hard because it was like I know I can do it better I know I can do it faster but I need them to come along and eventually I don't want to be able to do that anymore I want them to do it. So I appreciate that in the growth and in really for anybody listening I mean that is a milestone every time you hit that ceiling to make that decision. Do I go to the next level get more people will get an office building all those kinds of things That we all are faced with as we start to grow. You know Years ago years ago. Matt came out with a with a computer everybody in their brother became heart director, right? You ads online and all that kind of stuff. For me. Digital is a little bit like that. In the sense that everybody thinks because they have a phone where they have a social media account that they you know they can do this. and. So it whether it's traditional agency I actually talked publisher and they have a whole digital arm now, and so the kind of the competition essense is not just did other digital firms. It's s a lot of other folks. So it Kinda from a strategic standpoint in positioning H-. How you know those challenges Ben for you and and how do you in those kinds of interviews or meetings with potential prospects differentiate yourself. Your Business Well, I think you're exactly right that everybody has a a millennial niece who knows how to use INSTAGRAM, right? So she could probably run our Social Media Program, our digital marketing and I think part of that is just an education issue, right? It's not as easy as can we get post up there? It's it's everything from what should the Poe say when should they be posted? What are they driving towards? How do they fit into the larger ecosystem of what you're trying to accomplish and I think the way we approach it is is really from a strategic standpoint that there has to be a strategy behind what and when and how you're posting. And I think that that needs to educate people. It's also. Digital changes really quickly. What worked last week isn't going to work next week and as an agency, our job is to stay on top of all those changes and all those pivots in. Innovation, within the industry to keep getting results and I think it's hard to ask somebody who doesn't do this fulltime for a living to be aware of all this changes than often we get clients that have been running banks in house, and it's not that they're doing bad job is just that they're not completely up to date with best practices or the the new strategies that are working while now and. So I think that's that's one way we talk about it. The other way is that if you come on as a client of Katya Sam, you now have thirty five forty people who are working on your account and each have different strengths and. Areas of expertise. It is very hard to find one or two people in house who can cover that bandwidth of a things and do it well, man. So a lot of times it's an economy of scale, right? It's it's more cost effective to hire agency pay them. Maybe in some cases, what you would pay an employee depends on what employee makes but but you have a team of people whose job it is to keep up with the changing landscape. And really make sure that you're continuing to change in push forward and get the results. So often business owners just don't know what needs to happen and I think there isn't education gaffe and I knew that you know we do workshops for social, media at our office, and that's one of the reasons we still do those ten years later is that our clients deserved understand the platforms and the strategies behind them so that they know what? Questions to ask whether it's an internal team mourn agency they know how to quantify getting results in what we should be measuring and I think the more business owners and entrepreneurs can educate themselves on what a digital strategy should look like and how you tell if it's working I, think you'll make better decisions no matter who is in charge of that product. Yeah you know I I've seen your. Your emails about your your workshops and stuff, and I think that's brilliant because. To your point if you have an educated Kleiner. They understand frankly for what they don't want to do but never have have a point of being able to ask those right questions and I think part of it too. It also gives clarity that. is working with this company not too long ago and they were saying, what were you know were posted on social media nothing's happening as well. But what are you saying? Would you asking them to do? Just don't you can't just put a picture and a headline expect something to happen. So that was part of that expectation and I think that's probably part of your education and at least in dealing with clients. Yes, there's tons of different ways to approach this. Let's put the strategy in the messaging aside. Based on your industry might be one approach based on their industry. It might be a different approach not a one size fits. All right. So there there's at education and the expectations and and kind of setting those benchmarks. So is that part of that kind of conversation that whether they're working with you are listening to this podcast GonNa, they're gonna try it themselves before they call you but. The really they have to understand it isn't just posted and they will come. It's it. There's a lot to it. Yes. A lot more than you would think when we we start any engagement with a full digital strategy and that documents fifty five pages long right. It's not a one pager that says post on facebook post on Instagram runs some ads it's a really integrated. Intricate document that talks about here's what we're going to post. Here's why here's what it's intended to do. There's really a lot of strategy that goes into that. And I think also it's really about. Not only understanding what you want to accomplish but understanding how you can tell if it was accomplished what the expectation for the time line on that is a lot of people say, well, just WanNa did my toe in the water meant try digital thirty days? Please don't do that because nothing's going to happen in thirty days right and. We would be taking your money at that point and that's not fair. You need to really invest in digital strategy for six to twelve months to tell if it's GonNa producer result because digital is a long term strategy it really works with consistency in frequency. Over time, you have to be doing the right things in the right order for the right amount of time with the right cadence to really see that result and and a lot of business owners say well, I've tried posting posting for three or four weeks consistently nothing happened. That doesn't mean nothing is going to happen. It just means that you may not have gotten there yet or you may not have the right strategy to get there and and so you know then it might be worth hiring in your consultant to do some kind of audit. What are what are you doing? That's right when it's wrong. But I really think that education revolves around expectations need to be for the long term and you have to have the stomach to stick it out because you may be trying digital for a month or two without seeing the return. You want. You know maybe you're not seeing any sales or any lead generation yet, and that doesn't mean something's broken. It means you're building the system and that that system has to get traction and grow on itself to really deliver results long-term. Parts it is hard because there's there's Frankly digital has has changed the way we think right everything's instantaneous. So you had just your expectations. If I do this today, it's going to happen tomorrow and and I've had some clients a couple years ago that got into doing Seo thirty days into the scientist. Now working is a no, he's slowing at least five or six or seven months to go before it really starts to work as an investment in that also gets back to that kind of investment versus expense mentality. And again, I I need leads. Okay. Well, let's figure it out. Know that some of these things are going to take longer than the others we will make adjustments in in you had had mentioned we talked a little bit about technology and that's the other thing that really I believe enters into this as even when there's a strategy in place, everything seems to be working. Google could show up tomorrow and change something and and so by like your team in most companies don't have people that are constantly watching this. It's like they don't spend time watching competitors all the time right is that we'll do that once a quarter once every six months or a year, but the same thing with with the technology side something can change and now Your program is broken absolutely. We like to say we have the only job where the tools we use actively working against us because Google doesn't want you to rank right they're gonNA continue to change things that you don't facebook doesn't want your adds to be a huge success. They want you to spend more money rights at the Algorithm works against you a little bit. And it's you know it's playing that game. It's understanding how to tweak and test and iterating change and go again like it's the process and I think that process without guidance can be very frustrating for business owners who are trying to figure out on their own because things that should work may not be working and why and you know it's it's always iterative. I have never in ten years turned on a campaign and had it. Reach its full potential immediately right. You have to learn and analyze the data make tweaks tested again. That's part of the process. It's a very. It's a very intricate process of dialing it in over time and I think that's what's exciting about this industry. It's what's exciting about knowing how to do that constantly seeking better traction in better traction but it's also not to be taken lightly because if you think something should work and it doesn't it can be very frustrating. Make you wanna bail on the whole thing and sometimes that's not the best plan. Do what do you think if there's An I. I asked this question that what what do you think is the most misunderstood thing about digital marketing out from a business standpoint. I think, I, think that's really the people think as long as I'm posting on the social media channels as long as I've got an ad running as long as I quote unquote have Seo on my website should just work and they think they can set it up and then let it go and and that's not the case it requires constant attention and tweaking and and knowledge to know what you're doing in the back end of things of. You know and really, I, think, the most misunderstood thing is that if the end result you're looking for, let's say lead generation or sales doesn't happen immediately been quote unquote it's not working and that couldn't be further from the truth you know and you need to understand what metrics are you looking for a long way to know if it's showing signs of moving in the right direction you know is this working just slowly incrementally you know can you see? Is more traffic to your website are people staying on the website longer? Are you having more repeat visitors? Do you have more engagement with your social posts more people clicking on the ad and visual signs that something's going right and it's it's just the misunderstanding is, will I didn't reach the end goal? So it's all for not and that's that's very far from the truth will have to great point amid if you're driving people to your site, for example, but they're not converting. So you're getting in there but whatever may be on that landing page that needs to be tweaked and modified, and I know even like with this podcast I mean there's no monetization to it but I actually went into my google analytics and I I I made a conversion. So I look at when people come to the site and they spend a certain amount of time or whatever that I'll get a notice that you know that I had a conversion. And for me as a way to do measurement and and and I think so many times at look at kind of the Derg digital strategies is always about money right either lead jam, but eventually goes the money but that isn't necessarily always the case because you could be building awareness in different verticals or interest in trials whatever it happens to be. So there's a lot of different metrics I would imagine you can apply to particular campaign absolutely, and some of it's just getting your brand out there so that when the salesperson calls them, they're warmer tonight conversation right marketing a supportive role to so many of the activities that you do in your business that drive towards sales. In different pieces of a digital plan worked together for that. So maybe somebody saw your facebook ad and didn't click on it but then they saw your Google ad and they went to your website in bought. Does that mean the facebook ad didn't work? No because maybe the Google ad wouldn't have worked if they hadn't seen the facebook ad, right all of these things or he goes system together and And I, think it's really about learning along the way. What can you tell about along people are staying on your website you know what demographic is responding to your ads. There's a lot of data about who you're trying to reach what they really care about the you can collect in every step of that and and you said, what if they go to the website and they don't convert you yet that's maybe a problem with the website you need to look at how can you increase conversion natives? That your ads targeted to the wrong audience? They don't really want what you have. When they land on your website. They stay ten seconds because they go on. This isn't really what I thought. Maybe your ad messaging isn't in alignment with what they find on your website they click expecting something different and that's the part I get really passionate about Angela the detective work behind all of that you know if it's not working, how can we manipulate it until it is how can we learn and tweak things? Yeah. So let's we mentioned this word several times and I believe I I do this as well, but we're storytellers. So tell me tell me a story. Tell me a story about you don't have to name names but one of your clients that that near mine did it right? And then maybe a maybe next client that didn't do it. So Right The good bad and the ugly now. All right. All right. Well I mean I'll I'll tell you about a recent story. We were just in a meeting about this this morning. That's kind of near and dear to my heart, we had a client that's big logistics company forty, million dollar company super successful. You know things are going great and we did all their. Their digital. So Social Media, blogging marketing ads, that sort of thing we're generating leads it's a B. Two B. Client. And one of their major. Services is that they transport things, trade shes, and so covert hits, and they went from a forty million dollar company to struggling to stay in business overnight. And it was really hard because we worked from this company for years we've done all the right things. They've done all the right things and it just to have a blow like that was devastating, and so we put things on pause we pulled back and they regrouped, and then they called later and said, we're not going to go down without a fight. Can we come in and? You guys help us hit it and re strategize the story we're trying to tell the messaging is what we should be the clients we serve, and we agreed to do that they came in and we designed a brand new digital strategy to reach new target market that didn't have anything to do with trade shows, but still could need logistics and all their fleet of trucks could still be. Utilized and one of the places we decided to focus was. Hollywood studios and stuff where they're going to film ships they need to transport props and scenery and things like cars that require specialty transport, and we rebuilt the website. We redid the messaging we recalibrated all of our ads in our social to speak to this audience and. You know they're not out of the woods yet because we're a ever changing climate still, but they're back in business they've rehired a lot of the team that they. Furloughed. To rebuild and I think that's really. This is such a powerful time to marketing because that's the kind of in fact you can help business have when when they trust you to help tell that story right when they trust you to really help get in front of the right audience and. Help them convert those people into two leads that WANNA learn more. So that's been important The I mean there's a million companies that we've been able to help pivot during this particular time, and that's been really meaningful work. I think another one that that I'll tell you about is. A client that was a nonprofit. Big nonprofit and things are going great right before cove hit. This was not covid related. They had a a fire that burned down their headquarters and this was a thirty year nonprofit everything they had was inside that building and they were basically just leveled within an overnight fire. And we went to work helping them with with digital marketing from a crisis communication standpoint. How do we get the word out to our donors to our clients to the people they serve with this nonprofit and how do we tell them that this terrible thing happened we need their help, but we're not down for the count and we are gonNA rise from this and raised a million dollars in the next two weeks to help them rebuild. And that's the power of abusing these tools that do have the immediacy to them to really get into the conscience of the right audience of this isn't just putting a story in a newspaper. It's going to air next week and hopefully the right people see it. This is a proactive way to really be able to get in front of the people you need to hear your message and we able to really drive a lot of action in motivate them so. you know a lot of feel good stories for US lately. aright somebody who's doing it wrong. I will generalize this a little better. we have a client that is. A product like a consumer based product and it's a product in a very. Crowded Industry it's. A hot buzzword type product has to do with. Him and that sort of thing and so. Very crowded industry. And it's GonNa take a large budget and a lot of really aggressive marketing to get in front of the right audience and to get your brand known over brands in this industry that have been out for many many months ahead of you at this point and I think their biggest mistake is they wanted to start slow they wanted to experiment and when you're in a situation, like that's not the best move, you really need to have the budget to invest to get out ahead of your competitors and you'll really get the brand awareness and the the eyeballs that you need or else it. It ends up being wasted money in a lot of ways and You know as an agency, you try to advise and make those. Recommendations. But at the end of the day, it's up to the the business owner and the decision makers in that company about how they wanNA proceed it can be really frustrating watching somebody who's Not throwing money away but not getting the impact that they should be getting because they haven't really understood what it's GonNa take to get out in front and how long it's GonNa take. This was a client we worked with for just a few months because we came to the mutual understanding that I didn't want to take their money for not being able to produce results in a situation like that where it is upheld battle the crowded market you're pushing a new product you gotta go direct to. Consumer That's a twelve month proposition on on the short end and three or four months in you're not gonna see the traction you need, and so you need to have the budget to invest I'd like your word investment need of the budget to invest over time until you get to that tipping point, and in this case, they really didn't and and it was better to pull back and try to try other things rather than throwing a lot of money on advertising that wasn't GonNa make an impact. In I think to in particular case. Making, an assumption of the product category I mean it it's crowded and there's a lot of noise going on and at that point in time you're a challenger, you're not a market leader therefore, you're taking a different approach different messaging the way you communicate and the way you have to get out there and again taking it slow and taking it easy people passing you by new companies or passing you by and your father falling further behind, and of course, what typically happens least my agency days is when things went wrong they went will the agency no late in him out? Yes well, there there is some of that, right? There's a lot of hopes that it's going to go well out of the gate and I think that's circles back to. The conversation we're having about education is as a business owner you have to understand the the expectation in what it should and shouldn't be how long it's GonNa take how much budget it's going to involve, and really that if you're going into a market where there are strong competitors, that is an uphill climb and it's not impossible but it takes a certain amount of investment with time with resources with bandwidth to to make that climb, and as long as you've got the stomach for it, you know we're go but some people really hurt themselves with hope that it will go faster and I think that's A sad situation. You know when when the education isn't made clear. And we know hope not a strategy. So. I advise against that one the. You said this in part of your conversation about the people that. Were hurt by co it in the in the. Trade show world. In looking at adjacent markets, which is conversation I've had many times with votes. Can we take the products and services? You have look at a new market? But you you send one word in ice and I I want to highlight that because I think it's so important. Ns. Partnership now maybe you sat it but maybe I just dreamt it or was thinking about it. When you were talking, it's having a true partnership with you the Agency from a client standpoint and the agency with the client because there's a lot there's a trust factor in there and and that's adversary or or you're not believing I'm just like, why is it? Why have you not gonNA listen to us. Word everybody just wasting your time so I, I love that I really have enjoyed listening to you about your approach to to your agency and and brings me back to my days and sometimes I sit there and say, yeah, maybe I should have. Said of going fractional again, starting another firm. But then again, I don't think it really wanted to do that. So. Present cons, there are pros and cons been there done that, and so I, I we are coming to an end in I. Know we've got some. Kind of wrap this up a little bit. But I've kind of one other question and then I'm GonNa ask you for a piece of advice for my listeners. But what gets you out of bed at every day? What inspires you when you wake up in the morning I just gave my state of the company address yesterday to my staff for the the second half of this year and what our goals are and with getting out of bed. Is this notion that when we come out of this pandemic, no company is going to be the same right. Every company will have changed the world will have changed but in that change, there's an opportunity to be better. And what drives me more than anything right now is not wanting to be the same agency the same company we were when we entered this five months ago, I wanna be better and want to learn and grow and serve our clients and understand what they need a little bit better every single day, and that's really what I push for and You know it's It's like a digital strategy if you can be constantly learning and adjusting that's a win. That's a win for a company. I think as well. Beautiful I love that. So last last question is we covered a lot of topics here today and then very educational I. I know my listeners are gonNA find a lot of value in this and hopefully you've enjoyed this conversation. But if you could make one or two or three suggestions. For my listeners when it comes to kind of thinking about their digital strategy and could help grow their business but what might those be? So, I think the number one thing especially in this climate is you have to think in terms of your audience. So not just who are you trying to target but what are they going through in this time? You know how have they been affected? What are they feeling or or wanting because so much marketing I think we fall into this. We talked a lot about story messaging but we fall into this trap where we're only trying to get our message out and trying to talk about our features benefits, and especially in this pandemic post pandemic world, it can't be about you. So really think about where are your customers or your audience in this time and how are we going to speak to them about the things that are important to them that's the number one messaging point you need to really focus on right now is what do they need from us and how are we going to convey it? And then I think my number two tip is do some research. Take some classes really educate yourself on what digital can at n can't do what should you expect you know even if you have a consultation with an agency or consultant, just do some learning about why these tools are powerful and what you can expect if you were going to jump into this world and then be realistic with yourself about what you're willing to invest whether. It's time staff resources, bandwidth investment from a financial standpoint in what can you put into making this go and that'll help you answer a lot of questions about whether it's right for you and whether the timing's right because a lot of businesses are in a different place financially now than they were previously and a lot of its rebounding. But how fast are you going to be able to put the time and attention into a new marketing strategy? On. And then I think last it's it's that this is a long term strategy stay consistent over time and really. Commit to it this is not an overnight. If we could push switch and have it all worked for everybody I- billionaire but. Not. The way it works. So make sure that you are really in it for the long run that you haven't agency partner that you trust or a marketing partner that you trust because that relationship is GonNa make or break your your success through all of this you know I think that's can't be overestimated. That are underestimated that relationship. I agree with that one, hundred percent in any has been an interesting. Conversation for me because a lot of kind of your approaches, your thoughts are very reflective in similar. The Way I think is well so like. She's like in bed at an a mayor. Listen Katie you so much this has been fantastic. So why don't you tell the listeners how they can reach you your website you're linked and all that great information law I would love that. So my website is k. w. s., M. DIGITAL DOT COM. My e mail is Katie at capably digital dot com and Katie Wagner on Lincoln, but I think the actually url says K. W. Social media like. Lincoln Dot Com Slash W. Social media but yeah I would love to connect and you know we do a lot of free auditing and consulting for you know business owners who are in throes of trying to figure out if digital's them. So even if you just want a brainstorm session audit, we're happy to do that we've got lots of people on the team he'll love to talk about this stuff. I appreciate that offer for the listeners in. I'm sure that people will find that very valuable. It's there's a lot of confusion and to your point earlier, a lot of people are scared out there about the right way to go and should I invest that dollars that I put it back in my pockets should I save it for you know keeping the lights on whatever happens to be and I believe there's A An operator's balance of operations and investment in marketing and in. Overtime it is proven that folks to take that kind of approach come out of these kinds of recessions if you will not pick a recession as opposed to pandemic. Much, much stronger. So thank you and I. WanNa thank you my listeners for joining us at the cafe today. If Your Business needs a Cmo were senior level marketing person, but you're not quite ready for a full-time person connect with me to find out more about my fractional interim or consulting services or to find a variety of resources on my websites, blogs, videos, e books, and all that good stuff at the Ponzi group dot com or certainly. Connect with me on Lincoln and lastly please subscribe to the show, and if you're already a subscriber, I encourage you to tell others about the show. So they can benefit from this great content like we heard today, you can go to the business growth cafe dot com or subscribe on any major podcast platform that you like to listen to and don't to join me next week at the business growth. 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Part 2: AJ Benza on Dr. Fauci, Britney Spears, and Adele (ACS May 11)
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It's the name of the podcast list on Apple podcast spotify. Aj I I had Chris reach out to you to talk about Natalie Wood's Before you said you had plenty of Information. I don't have you seen the DOC on. Hbo I saw the dog. I know I know Natasha Wagner. I used to hang out with Katie Wagner and I actually studied acting. Well there's a number of things in the documentary that I find untrue because I you down hold on I forgot I forgot to play your show time for alleged. I with AJ Benza. Called that so we don't get soon all right. Sorry now you. You acted went to acting school with the dog. I study none of the daughters. My friends and I haven't seen him in a while back in the mid nineties. I did quite a bit but I studied acting in the eighties whistle woman. No one's ever heard of her but she was a terrific actress named Zora Lampert but she happened to play the Woman that Warren Beatty married in splendor in the grass. He loves Natalie Wood for this woman. She's a terrific actress and she told me a lot about that and over the years. I've been friends with Warne. And one of the things they say in that document is that there was no love affair between Natalie Wood and Warren Beatty. That's false there absolutely was and it's important to establish that that's true because that's the way it was with Natalie with nearly all of her co stars The only one that she didn't have an affair with for Steve McQueen. He wanted nothing to do with it because he was friendly Believe it or not was born. He don't WanNa mess with one but the way. This documentary portrays. I'm glad touched on her mother being crazy and her mother being this tragic figure in having. These fits are faking. Epileptic Fits Natalie's tragic personal life and I always felt that what happened that night on the boat was a woman who was drunk. Had pain pills system and a sedative and assistant and I don't think she liked the fact that Robert Wagner and Christopher Walken who she was co starting with brainstorm who I also believe she was messing around West. The two of the guys had a very bad argument as you saw on the documentary Robert Wagner goes short. He says Chris. Walking was interfering and saying Natalie she dad Laura she should be at movies more and RJ said. She needs to be a mother. But I think Natalie was having an affair with Chris or swing and she didn't like what happened on the night and Wagner. Look if you and I arguing about my wife's career I'm not gonNA break a bottle of on tape. I'M GONNA break a bottle of wine if I think you're fucking my wife. That's the broken. That's a big move to make over a little argument about a career. And they don't mention that that night the three of them were thrown out of two bars on Catalina. Up Rory ously loaded right well. Yeah they don't mention those things they they kind of allude to lots of stuff but they don't really drill down on it and had in the dock yes she was seen on the red carpet with Warren Beatty and that kind of stuff and I don't remember whether they said she didn't have an affair with him. I YOU ASSUME WHEN YOU WATCH. Doc You just assume she has an affair with every man cheap she brushes again. She bed she did. And of course when hug career took off Robert Wagner's career was standing still and he wanted to split to go to Europe because the rumors were out there that she was having with Warren and what she said. I don't WanNa go to Europe. That's basically hard telling him now. I'm having a good time here doing this stuff warm and he takes off and there was a five year gap before they got back together again. So I think it's plain to see you're also dealing with the AJC. Yeah all right little spotty on the Wifi there. But it's it's a compelling story she's a compelling person and yeah she was married to Robert Wagner when she was super young and then they broke it off after a few years of marriage and then one about their ways and then came back together in the seventies and started to start it over again. Aj's ceased up there. So we'll wait to that glitch various and I see all right. Well look it could. It could go no other way wait. He's getting himself now. I don't know why I always take my calls right in that spot and it's fine. Well maybe the videos with putting the strain on the system could be all right so let's talk about what Britney Spears what else you WanNa talk about. Fao She'd Dr Phil. What are we got? Well you know more about the Saudi Dr Phil and Dr Oz. Dr Drew Stuff because those guys all came out when this ten began. And they were against all this lockdown stop. They were making there saying that. It's not going to be as bad as you think. And it just remarkable that all three TV. Doctors almost like they were told. You gotta go back in reverse what you said. Because you're not you're not telling the lines and all three of them apologized and the more I read and listen. Have you seen this new documentary? A that taken off you to call ten plan now. Haven't been hearing some rumblings really. It's really interesting because this doctor. Judy Mike it's like this whistle blower who work without she during the AIDS vaccine days and she's got terrible things to say about him and a lot of stuff she says checks out and I do feel that they're kind of blown out of proportion with respect to the lockdown and the one thing she calls upon is that she stands to benefit. If if this vaccine gets you know gets rolling in and then they end up coming out everybody with the vaccine because his name is on a tat. I don't you think it's kind of ridiculous. Data scientist like him could have his name on a patent stand to make hundreds of millions of dollars. If it does is that right I I don't know I have heard and Aj your cameras. Sorta caddy compass. We liked the same the business. You're Dutch there. You go man so we've got your back. There was some stories about him being on a board and We're gave a lot of money to China and in China and the research facilities and I don't really I wouldn't say no to anything these days like you know you start. You start hearing about stuff. Like you take okay you take hydrochloric win hydrochloric when is essentially free right and it seems to be effective in many cases but there was a huge campaign against it and any doctor that brought it up and they really went after it hard now. There's plenty of evidence with a lot of doctors. We've had Dr Salenko on it. It does work it is effective with zinc and other other things but it's essentially free. It's eighty years old and there's no money to be made off of that right and then there are millions that are dumped into other drugs. And of course you would first off. I would put nothing past drug companies for sure. I don't I don't I don't think I'm glad for much of the work they do. But I don't think they're noble entities. They WANNA make money if there is a product where you can make a lot of money in another product. That's essentially out. No almost free then. You're a run a smear campaign against the product. That's out almost ray and try to get paid for your product. So I'm going on. Yes and of course the other thing and I'm not sure I've been reading. I'm sure you guys have to about Bill Gates being involved in this the patent for the vaccine and how he mentioned a corona in particular awhile back as if getting ready for this and how he's talking about worldwide vaccinations and I just. I don't understand how we've gotten to this point in a world where a man that nobody elected has no degrees in. Medicine is not a garage EST or an epidemiologist. How is it comes to the fastest? Because he has money. We just have to listen to this guy over and over again. Try to convince the world. That's talking about Dr drew that way from well luck drew a lot more than Bill Gates. I don't know I. I don't think that people are nefarious. But I do know people WANNA make money. And they certainly one who return on investment if they're put millions or billions in their research they wanna get paid or made whole at least the thing about and Dr is and I'm trying to think who else he he. There's a new thing that's going on in our society. It's Kinda Matt Damon thing where you point out something where you say. Hey what al. Franken did shouldn't be confused with what Harvey Weinstein did. I mean those two different crimes and then you get the shit beat out of you online and then you go fuck it. Life's too short and then you kind of shut up or before you talk you say to the people that kick the shit out of you. What do you to say again? Because I just don't really want to go through. So Yeah Dr Drew Dr Phil and Dr. Oz had their opinions but the mob is so fucking. Everyone's got a pitch work out and a torch and they're going everyone's house and they literally got threaten just to kind of shut up. So what does the mob no is it a mob or is it particular people in government that paid them visit and said You. GotTa take that all back. You're messing up a lot of Shit. We got lined. I talked to drew quite a bit. And he tells me quite a bit and I don't think that's it I think Y- human beings here's what human beings WanNa do human beings WanNa look at their phone and read Happy Shit About Them. Not shitty stuff about them. And that's all our default wiring 's except for James Woods and the only to the thrive and maybe Ben Shapiro but other than that. Everyone looks at their phone. And Goes I wanna read Happy Shit about me about me and it doesn't matter to certain point whether it's right or wrong. I don't WanNa read horrible shit about you and all those guys were probably reading horrible shit about them and they just backed off it so I think these guys even though they're doctors they're humans I and they just don't WanNa get pelted with tomatoes. Every time they leave their house. And that's the new world order. I guess so. I'm just starting to kind of adopt that attitude myself because I've been the policeman of the world for too Goddamn long and it doesn't pay anymore. It's just ridiculous arguments. I went to rouse dated a bottle of wine for the wife and Guy Proofs me I said. Hold on a second. Look he goes. I need idea said the ideas my hair. It's fucking white on fifty seven years old. I think nineteen and I I was talking to take my mask off a yelled guy. And he got so panic-stricken he couldn't back further in his little conveyor belt area and he said so. I can ask issue to leave. I said all right. I'll take my clock with. Let's go no no no no no no no please please people panicky. So you're right. It's better not even argue at. Just let shit go by. Maybe take these shallots out of my pocket and throw him yeah. I wasn't stealing that day. Which maybe why was so palsy? Because you're right to the of saffron I this. There's an unintended circumstance. All this panic stuff which is like Sunny and I were going to go the beach today and Natalia. Like WanNa know what we're doing and we said We go to the we go to Malibu. We go to the pavilions. I go into pavilions the Deli counter. I put my mask on. I get two sandwiches. We go outside and we eat it outside and the Talian getting agitated. And she's like where your gloves. You have no gloves. I said we went there last week. Nobody inside that store was wearing gloves. None of the customers were wearing gloves. Now they're all wore masks no gloves. The people cashiers wore gloves and she was like getting agitated and angry and I was going to go out. We're going to buy a sandwich. We're GONNA sit outside. We're GONNA eat this and she's like you film yourself in that store with your mask on your coming. And it's like she's agitated because she's dirt long. She's going on fourteen. She's been fed the slow drip of fucking and ringing poison and a not nonstop. You know we've hit the Morbid plateau another body count and this is creeping up on all the she's been ingesting all of it and now she's like a little look she has a little. Ptsd DO YOU WANNA give every thirteen year old just a dusting PTSD. You don't fucking bombs just make your little more susceptible to diet pills with booze. She seventeen because she's rattled like she's fucked up a little and steadily fucked us up a little like we have to live with her and she's pissed off and she doesn't WanNa talk to me or sunny because we left the house and Blah Blah Blah. Like thank you news. Thank you I appreciate it. It's scary but you know. Are these kids? The only good thing about the lockdown is that we we are able to take our kids out of the you know liberal teachings of of all the schools in California. So now they're at home. It's not quite as bad as being in a classroom. At least they can hear Mommy and daddy during the day instead of all the teachers. But I'm not look I'm not really an alarmist but the I wear the mask if I go shopping. I don't wear gloves. I took rock little play basketball at the park a few days ago. On every couple of days guys around the The first navy went there. There was tape up. He said Dad. We can't play us in. Yes we can. And then you know. Seven guys showed up. We didn't play. We didn't play bump bump and run basketball. We just took shots and had some fun. But you can't take that away from me to for Greis Sake. It's no beach no park. It's just it's so disgusting. What's going on now? I don't know what this next generation is going to feel like bars restaurants. Karaoke clubs. Comedy clubs you can speak to comedy clubs. When are you going to feel comfortable or people to go? Sit in a room with a hundred people and listen to jokes. Well you know my. I think that when I go to Houston to play the Improv. It's going to be half capacity is is the way they're going to do it. I think they started with twenty five percent. Then they're going to go up to fifty percent. I was telling August yesterday. I am used to playing half full room. I'm going to have an advantage whereas the other comedians are used to sold out another sold out. Show right passively fire marshal coming in there and bust in the manager. I am so dialed in to playing half-full rooms that is really going to. It's really going to pay dividends for COMEDIANS UP and coming. Comedians are certain. Comedians are the other real winners of cove in nineteen. Oh up my fault. There's only ten people they know they're gonNA show videos of them with a bad performance. Now I was talking nineteen nobody. He felt like laughing and three years ago. Now covered Adele was one of the stores. You WanNa talk about well. Look del Looks Great. Have you seen a picture dropped. One hundred looks fantastic. I mean she's always been pretty. Well let's face it. You couldn't see the bone structure in the face full of sack. And I I just I think she had a pretty. I think she always said very pretty face. It's just audio. It was big and now I don't know more you can't even you can't even complimentary if you go online and say something about Adele Looks Great All the White Knights attack you and the the the the the the Chevy Chase's attack you. She always looked right now. She didn't always look great. Her face looked good but she's now striking. You know what I mean. Yeah she was never striking that I think she had lap band surgery because I think if she was going through this through. Diet and exercise we would've seen stages of this. We would've seen. Maybe you know top. Razzi are everywhere. You can't Adele. Can't leave her house without somebody finding her. So what are you saying? She never had a trainer. Come over. She never went to a gym. I don't buy it. I think she disappeared for wall. Got The operation and recuperated at home and she did it perfectly. I don't care that she did. I've each looks fantastic. I totally agree with. Aj had the same conversation with one of my friends the other night and and this isn't something I usually you know. We don't and I'm John. About this but this came up. And I said Look. She has been one hundred percent out of the public eye and certainly emerges with this entirely new body. I think that's when you're on the mend after a gastric bypass or something of defend Gino as well normally her friends sit around and talk about Al Roker and allowed he. Is You just talk about Adele? So it is kind of interesting which is if you are for lack of a better number if you're a Dell and at some point when you're at the peak of your weight your it a hundred ninety pounds or two hundred pounds or whatever. It is the fattest version of You. And then you get down to this felt hundred eighteen pound version of Yo. We should see pictures of you at one. Eight if I guess Omega and maybe they exist but you're that's interesting point. How do you think if you're her ex husband? Put yourself in his shoes. You've been with Adele. She's been this. You know big big woman you leave and she just becomes this knockout. He's gotTa feel like shish revenge body right he's real. When I'm when I'm in charge she would have to throw him. One like my. My feeling is retroactively grandfather's Dick into her vagina. But we'd have to throw a you know if he'd been together they were like together for more than three years while she was above while she was coming in at cruiserweight. Now she's crying Straw way rancher actively thrown one. You gotta you gotTa hear him you. How do you look at her and go? All your friends are going. You got soccer again Walmart. Because he's had this big giant woman in bed. Now there's all positions to explore. I'm sure they never did reverse cowgirl. It's not my favorite but it's out there. I find it very uncomfortable. Even watching the reverse cowgirl. He's it's very hard. I've got a bad bad. I've got all the time in the world for reverse COWGIRLS Cup. It's too much work. Work that hard. I've been carving out time for a reverse cowgirl Franken my vacation days ago. Yeah well I I'm with you and I guess I guess we all kind of we do a thing all right. So let's just admit this when you see somebody. And they're overweight. We always say well. Don't discriminate like hire that person or that person don't discriminate but we all have this little thing in the back of our head. Which is that person may be a little bit lazier. They're not working hard enough. Not focused enough or they're not taking care of themselves like enough and you would be right. In many cases like that person is not exercising. You know an hour night watching the and so so far so forth like when I saw Christie. Put HER CINNAMON Buns Law Right. Raging acing looking. Have you had any of those? I have had a crumb this size. Awesomeness finger is about a half an inch apart right okay. So she made a beautiful iron cast iron skillet full of is from scratch from crush of a starter starter dough of of sticky behind Nice. That's the unbelievable and find the picture. It's crazy I I took some pictures on my phone. I Brian think you and I could have a car off because my house is fucking loaded with carbs right now and it's the same. It's the same thing but here's what I'm saying. I don't WanNa be a one upper but I got you beat. Christie is her star is growing. I can see it right there. Looking at two loves a Brioche Brioche bread branches giving you the neighbors. She's just came out of the oven all right. So let's let's drill down a little bit. Which is oh yeah. Utah Cinnamon Breakfast Sticky. Everyone can taste it in their mouth. Like everyone's mouth is watering right. Now are so. Brian has to live with that. Brian is honest Kito Diet. Brian taste just a piece the size of a marble or grape and then keeps walking. Okay that says something about his constitution. If Brian just got out a jug of goat milk and just ate that whole pan head. That would say something else about his constitution. You know yeah. And eventually his constitution would catch up to him and the size of his waistband and so we would kind of be right people at look. Yeah other people my wife. Lynette cannot get fat so she should get no credit for her diet because she doesn't tie it she just can't get fat. And then there are other people have Siro Roy problems and issues just predilection to but by and large we kind of will turn into what we eat. And if you keep walking past that delectable pan of cinnamon rolls then you will not get fat if you stop and graze you will so when we sort of judge people who are not taking care of themselves. Were partially correct to do that. Just the same way if a guy said hey I just. I'm an extreme marathoner. I did one hundred mile marathon training for one hundred mile marathon extreme. I'd go well that guy. That guy's tough. That guys assert himself. I'm not doing it but I admire that guy that Rut. That's a guy you you probably want on your team. And so as far as the surgery goes when you see someone go from two hundred pounds down to one fifteen through diet through exercise over the course of two years or whatever you have a certain respect for that person because you're like that person is working every day walking past that pan of ski bonds If you go in and get the surgery and just recoup in your penthouse and come out yeah. I'm glad you're down the weight but I don't look at you the same as that other person. I don't look down at you but why it's not fair to the other person to look at you the same way. Let's boob jobs and Gina Gina. Sorry yeah that's true. I I took so I took a picture on my phone Max Pad of just. I took all the carbs put on put on tap and I've been a bad boy. I've had a few I've been having I just got. I just got Chinese delivered from chin-chin Food I love Ray countdown Tara Reid. What's up about Britney Spears while Britney? Look if you've been senior on social media lately she's we all know she's on the conservative ship for a while and it's going to be continuing to August. Our fathers not involved anymore. He's involved in the money side but on the woman's involved in the personal side at least August but she's looking like she's losing her marbles even worse I mean there's a video of her talking about how. She burned her home gym down out and Salads and oaks. She says she will a it. And you said one thing led to another and I burned my gym down but very very matter of fact oops I. Did it again? Kind of shed. But I don't I I. I'm sure it was about a cigarette. Not About a candle. But that's not a fun story to tell but I heard that she wants to get pregnant. Was Her boyfriend Sam. And it's driving a father bad shit because he can't really control that aspect of her even though he liked to. But it's not the money aspect but you've got if I'm if I'm put myself in her shoes. How fucking boring is her life right now. She can't to a God damn saying everybody's in charge of it and she's got to just sit there and still be Britney Spears but not have any like the kind of benefits to be in Brittany Spears. Who what's up with her kids now? That's the weird thing you know. Federal law we always have shit on federal lines for so long. I gotTa Tell. Ya Not for nothing. This guy's shaping up to be a pretty good guy because if anybody could have told stories and told the world where the bodies of Berry. He could've sold her out and been set for life instead. He gets an amount of money every month. You takes care of the kids eighty percent of the Custody with him okay. So he's he's being a good guy who stepped up to the plate. Doctor always says Britney needs that conservative ship in the worst way he makes no bones about how bad she'd be without it but I just think that This little bit of her rebelling is going to be interesting in the next few months. She says she wants a baby. I like to see them. Stop Her from doing that. Then it's really then the ship's really GonNa hit the fan so the DADS got control the money but not of the Philippian tubing around for that you know she wants to get laid. Dad's not gonNA step in and and be in charge of that. It's not a good idea. The shapes us into having kid. But I'm gonNA crazy things of that but I'm going to flip the script pair for federal lines. Put on a lot of weight since he was with Britney. But he's doing elvis and she looks fantastic. Now he's doing a Helluva job kids Brittany. You GotTa Throw Kevin. One you gotta throw a nice idea. It's only fair and you know something you know if she was good in bed well when she made the video at the Catholic school skirt. Let's face it but now that she's got a lot of crazy in her head. She must be a lot about reverse cowgirl. There's things that no one's done before a crazy. I call this a Mickey Mouse Club. Wow yeah all right Max padded. You have my phone just uploading them right now and they'll be sick I don. It's excessive realize how many well what what happened on you go. We got the got the Hamas platter which comes with like eighteen pita bread's I'll I'll wack and no one's no one's even touched on sax and Sax French fries sunny you know doesn't finish his rise that the one on the upper left is basically the Panda Express. That's the that's fried rice with the camp orange chicken or chicken coop. On top of it is just a cavalcade in Ziplock. Freezer bag full of dinner rolls. Well that's all Paneira that comes along. Everyone orders tons of roles and fries and pita with everything and they just eat all the meat and put it back in the French just stare. That's why I said if if the world really is ending somebody let me know. I'M GONNA go sit on my front porch with a giant loaf of bread stick of butter. All I dream about. I Chris and I got to scroll through Christie's as Graham I gotta her for at least another couple of months so painful waffle so I'm looking at homemade salad waffles. Sour waffles again. Half INCH SO GOOD. GotTa try the salting out there. Yeah Yeah I know all right well. Do you like the Paleo. Diet you are the Keita Diet. Are you really into it? You like it. I've grown to love it. I Miss I miss bread. I Miss I miss bear more than anything pasta. All the stuff but it's for it's for health reasons live doesn't there's there's enough good stuff the bacon and eggs and all the enough as up good stuff. That's true. Yeah I literally today while Sahni went to the Deli counter pavilions in Malibu to get his Italian club are big hoagie grinder. I just walked over to the Deli section. I grabbed a thing cheese. A thing of like thing Italian sausage meat you know and and I bought a jar pickles and August. We just sat in the car eight Sandra Park the car so was oriented toward the ocean. We just sat in the car. Listen to a little like listen some forty music like some Guy Lombardo stout big and and he sat there sandwich while I've fished pickles out of this thing and wrapped it with the pursuit. What you eight. You eight exactly. What Vinnie gives his ultra marathon runners on the road? When he's running next with the van pickles cheese and Salami pickle juice is supposed to be good right yeah either. There's ways you can do it. That are less painful than others but at some point you just want that in and out. Burger with John. And you just want you just went those enchiladas with the with the corn. Tortilla Christie's local English. Muffins are homemade from scratch fantastic. Wow that's good stuff. That's I never thought she could do anything to make me say this. But I hate Chris. Absolutely Amazing Bacon. Baking say good stuff all right let me hit the DC universe the ultimate DC membership. You can watch DC series and films into read nearly twenty three thousand. 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Please gene the news with Gene Grad. I want to tell everyone I'm going to do a live unprepared. Sorta corentin unprepared on our youtube channel. I think Next week so you guys go to our Youtube Channel. Keep you posted if you subscribe alerts when we do our Monday morning. Got A couple of sad Semi breaking Although not not entirely breaking news at this point little Richard Passed away over the weekend. Eighty-seven his son Danny penman confirmed the death didn't disclose the 'cause he was born. Richard Panamanian Fifth Nineteen Thirty Two Macon Georgia inaugural rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductee Nineteen ninety-six and of course known for his a sort of over the top distinct style sexual ambiguity huge influence on the Beatles and many others And Brian. I couldn't help but think of you when I got this news. Because my first thought was little Richard was still he was he was he was the MVP EPA the All Star Team are. They're still alive all star team people years ago. Winsome bats because no one no one no Richard Richard. Saliva did his cause as a as a genius a musical genius and sorry Gina But a little little Dolly Parton ask where the character overshadowed the musicianship and people lines. Oh you're saying he was always that way though from the jump. The white pancake makeup. He's always been that way if it did it didn't stop. Guys like McCartney and Jagger and Bowie and all these people saying he's the reason why they do what they do so well. Yes and to your point of Bowie. I mean you put Elliott's powered and paint your face and nobody questions. I met Little Richard. Ten years ago I couldn't more teen went to Roscoe's chicken and waffles. What's on our man? I live not watching and he was in the back in pink suit with a bunch of bibles on the back table cooking. I maybe right about to run a sermon. But Yeah he looks just as insane as you could imagine. I didn't go up and talk to him but I believe he was sitting there in a suit with a bunch of bibles I of my father. Yeah he was he was a crazy person but I mean let's say one thing. Can we just say one thing? Willia- five songs. Tutti thirty more good. Golly Miss Molly can we get like twenty five songs but apparently five songs enough to be a legend forever? I don't know what. Aj that's an era when most people had one or two songs so the the litter Richard. What's influentials he was a crossover hit at the time? Yeah but to atoms point like once the Beatles kind of eclipsed him in popularity doing his music essentially yeah he did become more of a caricature to most. Leon known for being a little Richard than he was he. He was a car. Yeah I saw a clip of him playing and one song we forgot. Keep a knocking. But you can't come in on on. That was on full House. He was playing on full. That whole thing well so it's interesting because you brought a Bowie. So you think a Boeing. You go well. That guy's an innovator that guys on the Fan Guard whatever and so he gets points for the crazy makeup and the fumes and everything but you can also deduct points for two so what it's a constructive our own mind it's like Madonna points and Bowie. He gets points but little Richard. We deduct points because he I guess he didn't evolve didn't change or I don't know I don't know how our minds work. But either way he was who he was who he was from the beginning and he stayed that way he'd never wavered. He was just that way you know he never had a I mean I prince boy George Bruno Mars Jimi Hendrix played with him. A lot of people. Just give it up to him as the main guy architect a rock and roll all right. Well he shall be missed another sad death. Roy Horn of the famous. Las Vegas performance to siegfried and Roy has died of complications of the corona. Virus you seventy five German board entertainer along with Siegfried Fishbachur. Probably a lot of people don't know his last name became a top traction on the Vegas Strip many years of course known for the White Lions and the dazzling costumes and the Magic Horn was nearly killed. I'm sure you'll remember in two thousand three when his tiger monte-carlo attacked onstage incident. Put an end to the show. I I believe I don't believe it was ever performed again and horns manager says there will be no memorial service because of the corona virus Health threat so they're they're putting all that Postponing guys think the like tigers hanging out like hard hard guys do in prison. Kinda Brag like yeah I killed a cop killed that guy killed that gang banger. Whatever it is and so that Lion Tiger goes kill the man I killed this dude. Killjoy your eye and then some other Tigris he died seventeen years later he was compromised because of me and he was he was gay and he was a magician is not a gang bang so well. It's like Chris. Rock said about that incident. The tiger didn't go crazy. The Tiger Tiger Tiger put him on a UNICYCLE and funny hat also. He was did something wrong that day. If I remember the story did something wrong that they didn't do four and his on ramp stage apparently because he was kind of alarm. That what might happen. I forget but I read the story back then and it appeared that he may have done something a little bit too aggressive to the Tiger Tiger. Said enough of this shit. I said I dragged David Alan grier. I can't think of who else I for some reason. Don't remember if Jimmy came with us. I don't I don't remember. I don't think Jimmy came with us. I was in Vegas doing crank yankers and I was like we're going to see Crete and Roy and David Alan grier. Nowhere not who sows in this is two thousand and three like our two thousand and two hundred. This is six months before this thing. It could have been already months and I was like we are going to see Roy. He's like no. We're not we're going to a Strip club. Strip club after we. She sick right and he said he said like why. It's like it's so lame. I said you know there was a time in one thousand nine hundred seventy six when someone was talking about seeing Elvis and the other person was going come on. Let's see the loving spoonful like that's a real fan. You know what I mean. Elvis is so old and lame. You know an ice it. They will be glad. They're glad that they went and saw al. This and we'll be glad we saw six Green Ryan and I stand by you know. We'll never know what Roy felt about. Tiger King Terry crews the original original tiger king. I'm sorry you're absolutely right. And then to your point. We were talking about that on. Kfi The other night and thought you know. Will there be another siegfried and right type. Act and I said not after tiger can no way. Yeah people don't want to see that anymore. I don't WanNa see that over. There was there was a guy named bear. I think who had a Ranga tanks and he got busted for beating on him. Who's a big act back when people had a Ranga tanks like back back in the day Tony Saraceno or we've got a we've looked at? We've looked it up before but yeah sorry. My camera went out but We've looked up before where the guy is. A famous guy headed a rang a Tang Act. It's always very. They're beating on them or making sweet love to them. It's never a good thing reverse. Yeah reverser hangings and then Clint Eastwood. Every which way but loose yes. It probably was that era. Right where reineck where movies slobby barest. Seaney MASSA PAL how would be this dudes name in his in his tanks and it was they love. Everyone loved it but it never works out. Everyone's miserable look. Go ahead and do magic. Just minus the Rhino or the tiger. Whatever it is just two matches talk Penn and teller. It's not like I do comedy writing. Allama comedy comedy about. That does fine feels fine. Yeah doesn't make any sense but Seinfeld does well to tell a joke. The entertainment people that way Saracini. Yeah so eighty nine dancer videotape bear seaney grabbing slapping and shaking hands before going on stage of them. The dancer sent the tapes to pita. And you can't do that. You got in trouble can't slap in Ranga has the balls shaken arena. Ten slap them. Are you kidding me? But dangerous very soon be Seaney sued the Dancer. Pita and another animal rights group and a jury found in favor of basie in worded him. Three point one million dollars in damage. Wow beat an animal. Well he didn't initially get the money up front but later on paycheck. Sounds like a real piece of shit man. I could beat on pay. I sorry I go full so the lion here. I am outraged and disgusted. I know in this beat this. And what about the poor showgirl the whistle blower and listen? And don't do that thing. Don't call the rang a Tang blower or don't do any don't even go there and just keep it west. I know the act. Monkey Lower A or. She's a fine girl though. Not Going to get the picture in their head and then pita subsequently alleged alleged that bear seaney had moved more than two million dollars out of the country to avoid paying court cost so bear. Seaney impeded agreed to a settlement in which bear? Cd paid three hundred. Forty thousand dollars in court costs and interests and two years later was ordered to pay three law firms. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars for the time. They spent trying to find the two million dollars. I hate this guy. So he was a big seventies like show up on those variety shows. He probably be on like Sonny and Cher. Osmond's Bobby bare seen anything like Ellen. You know he was doing blow back into it was all jacked up around his and also we know we don't know the full story rang. Tang like eyeballing it was. Yeah was he giving him a hard time? I JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. So ninety three in an interview said that he and his wife had have received numerous death threats against themselves in their in their ratings for the middle of the night or in the middle of the night. Y'All said that. He had a shop at different different supermarket every day for several months up due to the threats note the tell was he always bought eighty pounds of Ross stopped. Forty seven bunches of bananas. There's a guy here buying locks and currents leave him alone. We look for the dam. You looking for the GRUB. That guy's got a fake moustache in a Satchel over shoulder. Let's get it wrong Baresi. And he's still alive. It doesn't say here's I'll find out he's part of a whole check family circus performance his brother. It looks like it was the fastest club Juggler in the world in the world without hold that same sense just an amazing juggler. So so tha Dogg. Donkey Kong is based on his life. So bear seeing this. That film exists that anyone ever put that up on the Internet and so love that so the showgirl sees that he's abusing these sound like she probably working the act with him. She thought five nights in a row and on the six nights she brought in a camcorder. Right this is an era before obviously cell phones and before anything smoke she had took some work points right down. Perations trust had a camera. Yeah it was. It was all camcorder back then. Well the ninety. What was it ninety three. Oh I thought it was. I thought you said seventy ninety three was the interview. Okay I found some video. Put it up. It's so what year was video from. Oh wow or that. The video is from eighty nine eighty. Just the beginning. He's the big VCR camera. Yeah Yeah when you wear the VCR on your back. Are you not watching that? Yeah it's just weird footage of dark footage of him. It's hard muscling up the why nobody tastes to control a bunch of Ryan the chance. Maybe you've got to smack around a little bit. We'll I know I got fat Nagham Anyway. His career was cut short but gave it to pita but then they sued and made money crazy world. Now Bobby his quote was Kapito. He said he's around the Times of banging cocktail waitresses three to. Tom Snuck around once in a while. Mo- Greens it's right. Great out all right. What else we. Gotcha sorry for that. The Aid Vice President Mike Pence who's tested positive for virus is his press secretary. Katie Miller Miller also have Stephen Miller. Who's a close advisor to president trump? Jared Kushner Ivanka trump no word on whether he's tested positive The president told reporters Friday. She's a wonderful young woman. He's not in very close contact with her and Vice-president says he has tested negative. Excuse me negative for Kobe. Nineteen But it sounds like a lot of people around that You know at least a few are Chen closer. You know the the reporters in the White House briefing room. Have their fingers crossed? That Stephen Miller is gonNA come down to. They can't stand in the can't stand like seems like good dude. Yes which one right speeches for trump. And he's a lot of trump is said Miller's been responsible for oh out of Houston example. Here's an example of people's like when when people are thinking evil thoughts their face looks evil. Yeah yeah he's like like holly shores bad cod very good. Yeah that's kind of what he looks like. Oh Yeah Yeah. He's thinking scare the hair. The hair incident was the best because he's obviously going bald and he full on painted on some hair for an interview. Bottom line now really oh crispell. He painted on some hair for a TV interview. It was so bad. That's Ron Paul. Appeal top coverage shoeing. Yeah he just doesn't ask. Trump trump said you look terrific keeping bad. I'm glad you said that. Aj because I don't know if anyone caught the finale the the season finale of SNL but there was a great bit where Baldwin came back to be trump giving an online commencement speech. Funny Clip regret if you want to see it. It's about a minute will incredible energy and feeling right now. My Valet got the virus to do my own makeup. I had to resort to a LIZA MINNELLI. Tick Tock honored to valid dictatorship. Today is not about me. It's about you although I should spend a little time. I because I've been treated very poorly even worse to make Lincoln wasn't linking assassinated. I'm not taking questions being Bob. I'm telling you the truth. Lincoln would agree. He's probably smiling up at me from Hell right now. Hey let's let's mute a lot of the steps great. You're actually lucky to be graduating right now. There are so many exciting new jobs out there like grocery store. Bouncer cam girl porch amateur nurse and coal. Don't forget about Colette's in the ground. Just dig down and grab it. I don't WanNa do that and I'm GonNa make sure colleges opened in the fall online college. It's a scam and I should know my online college was ranked number one craziest by US news every year. It was open. You look everyone loves vouching eight with this elite medical experts. Tell you what to do Excuse me good old invincibility juice a funny bench a good example of how you can take that format and make work. You know. It doesn't have to be a liability if you come up with something that works for that format and that worked perfectly. You know what's not working is the weekend update just does it never hits the mark the last few times. I haven't seen it in a while so I'm not at least. They got their green screen. I mean they're doing what they can remember. There was an episode where they let a few people into unloaded them so they could laugh just to see if you're doing their best. It's very tough. Yeah I I did stand up. Nobody at the laugh factory few weeks ago. Nobody in the room and it is damn weird. Tennis I went. I beat the shit out of my rang a Tang. I've so upset Bill Bill Marr. Go ahead good now. I'm just going to say no people look my instagram. And they love Duchess and she's she's a delight but I took it out on her that night. Sorry go ahead bill. Maher Omar is eight bill. Maher he's gotten it right so far with his real time shell because he uses Stock footage of audiences laughing in an in an arena from like the sixties. He's got people dressed in raincoats. 'cause they're watching gallagher so when they go to a go to laugh they throw it to this stock footage of an audience that to me works. It's Corny stupid. It makes you laugh watching it but when you got nothing and guys on. Weekend Update Tell. Jokes has no sound even foul in. Kimmel does okay. But Co bear and Myers look. It's awful I can't listen to it while the they're not their fault. It's just an hour. I agree we're so rhythmically trained speaking a Mar. I thought I saw a tweet earlier. That rose McGowan all. Eat meat like whispering something in her ear. Now he elaine. She during during a politically incorrect in the nineties. She says he leaned over to her and said in a commercial break. My parents didn't give me much in the face department. But I'm I'm hung like a Horse in so many words twenty some odd years later. I can't wait for Dunnigan to do it because bill. I've had the same girl friends over the years. He is hung like a horse. That's true really so rose. Most of mind he may have said that but I know he was joking because roses the wrong color for bill. Well also. There's a little bit of this. We're just kinda talking about Natalie Wood's having sex with her forty four year old director and God knows what Warren Beatty was up back in the day and everything else. It's hard to retroactively. Go back and do things like put it to you this way. You would be arrested if you lit a cigarette on a commercial airline flight in two thousand and twenty one hundred percent. What in the sixties and in the seventies and even into the eighties people smoked routinely. So it's like it'd be like finding a picture of you smoking on a flight from the eighties and then pulling it out and go. Oh my God. Can you believe what this guy did? It's like people did things people would refer to african-americans negroes. That's what they that's what they did in the sixties so it's like you fi- saying this guy called a black person in Negro like yeah within the context of the time when people were doing. Now that doesn't mean you're allowed to drop digits on people and that's enough doesn't mean you're allowed to grab them by the ear any of that but the stuff that people use to say was considered funding most of the time had a context to it and it was pretty pretty regular fair stuff that happened so the pulsed sure that was kind of a norm from the nineties and then twenty twenty. Some odd years later trotted out to me. That stuff does have an expiration date. Well and like what not care if he was still alive but think of how. Don rickles life would have been destroyed. You Played His. He wouldn't have a chance. I could not imagine. Oh this is out there. In roast the demon rose would have went to jail. Yeah that's right. Here's the rose McGowan tweet. We're looking at I guess we're oh here's a memory. I'd like to share with you. I bet you don't remember bill but I sure do I was so excited to be on your show get to flex my mind instead of my face. Here's what happened all I could say bill. You got the face you deserved. And she says I was on your show politically correct in the nineties as the show returned from a commercial. Break you lean over to me and whispered in my ear. My parents didn't give me a good face but they did. Give me a huge cock. I can afford your hot breath on my image of both hideous face and alleged BITCON flashed in my mind both turned my stomach. I've always wondered what you say and do to the girls. That aren't famous. I Wish Bill Maher has drew Eddie Bangor and making produced out truth. I would love that. I would watch that like a bear. Seaney monkey beating video over and over again number one right a monkey would get beaten and he may have. He may have a big cock but big enough to turn her stomach. That's that's a long way to go a girl that gated Marilyn Manson who is not exactly the Model man to be seen with if you find pictures of her from like the MTV music awards with Marilyn Manson like. I remember going. I think it was at the was a universal that year but I remember to ask that iconic sort of fish. Yeah yeah it was like a chainmail ask thing or whatever it is and one thousand nine hundred ninety eight via maze that withdrew as I recall universal studios or universal share it in whatever the whatever the venue for their but either way times of fucking there. Wow arose hot. She was hot shit. But you know like if anybody thought she'd be happy once Harvey Weinstein got put away. You're wrong she's still has some that bitch about 'cause she has no career no one's going to hire for a movie or a TV show. So what does she does? She sits home at night. And just decides she's GonNa keep outing people for their behavior twenty five years ago. It's fucking ridiculous. Well also when you look like that and address like that a lot of folks probably have said things to you over throughout twenties early Thirties and now your job is to sit home over glasses Chardonnay and see if you can summon some of those but also I don't know I P people have to. They have to bail some. Hey and go men defense and go go go patch a roof or something like people need to physically get out and go engage and do something. She's clearly just spending too much time with herself. Yeah wouldn't you be scared to have sex with her? Now would not years ago now. I would go Niro's well. That's for the best because traces of covert nineteen The virus of course have been found in semen of some severely. Oh man raising the possibility. The virus might be considered an S. Gd In some ways according to a new study researchers found evidence of the virus and six men out of a group of thirty eight so it's still relatively low at a hospital. It's not surprising. The virus was found in semen samples since it's also been found in school all That's according to the Cleveland Clinic. Who Whoever got that job to go? Sewage deadly semen guy and the stool guy in the same elevator. Guys I go. Oh Yeah you think you got A in a restaurant or supermarket or what are you? Whatever you're about to say I promise I can talk. Show man froze phone rings. We got a new dirty. Jerry know why just wear the one glove on my hand you know why because. I have to harvest samples man. There's a thing where they go. Can The guy self like a fraternity prepared Indiana Clinic? You know what I mean but but we got to prove it we got. We got a firefighter. So I gotTa All Right. So what else so? Yeah I wanted to say forgot to give a plug for. Aj over here. You can sign up for my monthly nut at Corolla drinks dot com. And you get a audio copy. This year are sorry this month. I mean we're going to include a copy. Aj's audiobook seventy four and Sunny. 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Apart and at the end of the day they took home six hundred ninety gallons of free beer which was good for the brewery because it allowed them to empty. That old stuff outfielder the tanks with the fresh stuff that the hopefully get to sell when things get back to normal. They had to get rid of the product so people just waited in line all day and took it home. I've seen this tape of people. They're dumping milk dumping produce like it's really getting sad. Yes right. Oil tankers just sitting in the middle of the ocean. Because you have to pump the oil out it can't it can't stay where it is right. I think I was literally walking around. Driving around. Malibu was sunny earlier Dane. He pointed out. It's a big boat way out there and it was a tanker just sort of. Yeah sitting there so I do now but whatever whatever the plan is we we should get we start executing it. Let's figure it out and back. I Don here. How about have you heard you know for a while? Maybe two weeks back. 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Smoke On The Water
"From workhouse connect in. Aj Benza vein. Walk on a leash and play really dirty. Kinky sex tapes is the GUY. Put the COP in the peacock network. Okay Bitch Hey everybody. Aj Benza here with fame bitch. This is your podcast for May Eleventh. Twenty twenty my voice is a little horse Yeah yesterday's paid today's Patriot. I must've cleared my throat sucking. I don't know what the yesterday was bad day. My throat today seems to be too late as I mentioned. We've been sleeping leaving don in bed late watching TV. Family mainly southbound. I don't know what kind of Kit we're on. We're laughing on balls off southbound. I've seen a lot of episodes but it's been years some. I haven't seen it all and I'm dying. The Shit they get away with. I can't believe the Eretz episode the amount of the words they get away with saying remarkable So it's like eleven forty Monday morning. Been giving you these shows late. I Apologize Normally. You guys like the wake up and get a new show. But I'll try to push it as best. I cab in busy ebb. Putting the last finishing touches on the book and I don't today's a tough day today. Just feels like another Monday. And where are we? What's going on with the world what the fucks happening. I'm tired of seeing people. Give us all these ideas and reasons new findings Blah Blah. I'm just tired of it. Don't you feel like you're fucking hamster on the wheel enough? I want something to come through and just change shit but this weekend or a couple days ago I caught. I think many of you may have caught the Natalie Wood documentary on HBO. I told you it was coming. I gave you some of my thoughts but now I have new thoughts having having seen the documentary it gave a lot of insight. A lot of good insight into into WHO? She was a woman as an actress. But more important. I like the fact that they showed what kind of woman she came from. Let me say her. Mother was a very unstable crazy. Russian lunatic I mean and obviously it's from her mom that I could see Natalie gets a tragic side. From tragic side is what I've maintained had a hand in her dying that night in the ocean off the coast of Catalina and any notion you had that Robert Wagner killed her. I think it should be out the window at this point. If you've seen the documentary nine no was done by her daughter and Obviously it's going to be a little slanted toward their way. But I think it was presented fairly well but you know Robert Wagner was the man who waited for her pine for her put her on a pedestal loved her mentally either when they split up In the early part of their relationship that was shown to be Natalie's choosing she her career taken off and Robert Wagner is really hadn't yet and she went to She went to go make splendor in the grass with Warren Beatty and They started to get very close as a couple okay. Onscreen and off. And that's just the way it was Warren Beatty back then. And that's the way it was for Natalie. Wood back then every leading man fell for like I said the other day the only beating man she wasn't lucky with was Steve McQueen. And that's only because he really respected Warren Beatty so much he didn't feel like you should go there. But I think People Natalie was game so Robert Wagon kind of had his hands full. Okay like I said. His career is not blown up and After much thought he's home getting all upset because you can't do shit now leads become this huge star three emmy three Oscar nominations. Before she's twenty five. He says you know I gotta get the Fuck Outta town. I just can't be here. I gotTA leave. There's all these reports doesn't affair with her and Warren. I can't take what I'm reading what I'm hearing. So he decides to go to Europe and he calls Ren says look. I'm thinking of getting. Outta town and going away for a while. Do you WANNA come. And she basically said now You Know I. I'd rather not so at that point. He knew it was kind of over so he left all sad of the jacket in nine and that her affair with Warren Beatty kept bone and getting bigger and bigger and then I heard he left her for Checker. Some restaurant like yeah. That's that's warrant. Just whatever comes his way if you want to get it you know the ultimate Predator So large as in Europe he met the woman he would later marry and have a daughter with That's Katie Katie Wagner and after Natalie and Warren Beatty broke up. She met the man she married and have a daughter was but eventually down the road. They get back together but then the documentary. You can see how he absolutely adored her. He moved move mountains for and he always loved to keep the family together with countless parties. And get togethers. And all the Hollywood elite with Eric. Had Benjamin Sir Laurence Olivier Sean Connery? I mean major stars would be there. Elizabeth Taylor maclaine and it also included a lot of weekends and Catalina. On the weekend. She died they were with Chris Walken. Who was her co Star in this film brainstorm which was Kinda Natalie Wood's comeback and Robert Wagner was anxious He wanted Natalie be home and be a mother to their children and she's getting a taste for acting again and she's liking. It and Christopher Walken was no help he was poking his nose where it shouldn't have been. He kept telling. Robert Wagner on the boat that night. Natalie's a great actress. She should be working more. She she be out of the House and Wagner was saying. Listen it's none of Your Business Chris. You know she's a mother. I want her home. I want her back with the family. Now they're drinking all night. They don't really say this too much. The documentary but actually they don't say it. At all that night the three of them had gotten thrown out of a couple of bars on Catalina. As I said that's very difficult to do that. That was a celebrity haven to throw out to throw out actress at bars for being loud and trunk must have been complete assholes so that went on. That didn't touch on that. Then they go back to the boat and the argument continues and at one point Raj. Rj makes no bones. Saying I had a few venos- was feeling pretty high You know now. The guy's ninety so you got to cut him a little slack. I'm not sure how much he remembers exactly but he seemed to be giving it his all in that interview with his with with With with them Natasha. But it won't point. Robert Wagner breaks a bottle of wine on the table in the boat and it crashes all over. He maintains the argument was strictly about walk in saying Natalie needs to work you know. And he's like fuck you Kristie it. Listen it's my contention by. I've been in love with many women. I've had those situations where you think she's cheating. You feel wronged the passion. Your blood boils over. You don't break a bottle on a table because one ear wives friends is saying she should work for you. Break The fucking bottle because you think the fucking or maybe you know the fucking and it's come to this you invite him on the boat to set him straight and it goes haywire guy. I don't I just don't think you go that far over a simple thing. I think should work more after all. She is fucking actress. She's an Oscar nominated actress an award. Winning actress alleged icon. Why is it so difficult to hear? Somebody say she should work more for FUCK SAKE. They had nannies back then. I mean the kids weren't babies back then. So that's a little weird aware dangle. I'm never sure we're going to hear the whole truth about that I think they were there because now would affairs with the leading man and this is also the night like I said tossed out a bar. So they're all fucked up and Natalie was drunk to they. Don't really mention that. But in the in the post mortem report the toxicology report. She had alcohol assistant. She had painkillers an assistant. She had a sedative and assistant to help her sleep. I bid on those things quite a bit. Nick comes a point in the night where you get a little irrational and if you have just the right amount of poisoning your blood you start to do things that that go against the norm and you always end up regretting the next day. I think that's exactly what happened here. So she goes off to bed so they say and apparently somebody said Robert Wagner said. Get the fuck off my boat. I don't know and maybe she made way to the dinghy and tried to leave on her own. That's what I think happened. I think she saw this fight between walking and Wagner getting so out of control that she said I'm Outta here and she went to take dinghy and take it to the to the coast and maybe find a slip and maybe going hotel that night which had been done in the past Wagner said and she slips and falls because they found bruises on her body post mortem in some people say Some some people who Medical Examiners may have said listen leslie well enough alone. Let's not go there. Whatever the thought I it could be celebrities. Always have things hidden that? Were not supposed to nobody. She has bruises on her body maybe Wagner was roughing her up in the boat. Maybe it got real nasty. Maybe smacked a few times. I don't know maybe. The bruises came from are falling against the guardrail. The boat and falling into the dinghy hitting. They're having a motor. I don't you know anything could have happened. But nobody saw it but it certainly sounds plausible. The thing I don't like is you know Dennis to her. The the guy that was captaining the ship. He always wants a year. Has these angles around the anniversary of death that say that suggested Wagner pushed her you know they killed or he killed her but these are people that need money and I'll get to her sister lanna wooden a second but the people need money always seem to be attracted to the tabloid TV shows and the Tablet magazine and they say these things so they can get paid off once a year. You know a nice twenty thousand dollar check wants you to say Natalie was killed. Dawn no foul. As far as they're concerned it's a dead issue. I'll tell you after seeing the way. Robert wagged cried and bubbled up during this documentary and also knowing that I didn't know this he has never once been back to Catalina Island since that fateful night. That says a lot to me. I'm more than convinced he didn't cover off the boat. And what's more is. How insane in need his mother was that to me is the biggest the biggest giveaway because I think the mother gives birth to a daughter who then sees the mothers Inclination to be crazy and tragic and I think nationally took off after that got no. She was in therapy for years. The mother threw fits the mother fake that she was having epileptic fits one time one. Time Natalie's personal secretary who lived with them watched Natalie's mother like fall down the floor and have this epileptic kind of seizure. And she ran to tell Natalie Natalie your mother's on the floor she's having some sort of fit and the secretary said Natalie didn't even look up from reading a magazine and said she'll be finding a few minutes because she'd seen it before that the kind of shut her mother did for retention. So you know should we find? The moment is such a horrible thing for child to save when their mother was apparently on the floor. Seizing up but it's from her over the top dramatic mother that I think Natalie got the sense of insecurity and this tragic side you know Natalie. Wood didn't study method acting. I learned this from what I took my acting class with that lady. Zohra Lampert the actress who portrayed Warren Beatty Wife and splendor in the grass. That's the woman that that Warren Beatty Leaves Natalie. Wood floor to have a family with Zora with tell me because we were studying method and Zora. Had Natalie never studied method? Natalie just took from years of her Freudian Analysis. Okay in therapy lot. Because of her mom and that Freudian analysis allowed him to go deep into her body and pull out these instances and these emotions that other people couldn't. If you look at our movies she tends to go crazy and a few of them that scene in the bathtub and splendour in the grass when she loses it. That's fucking dynamic that's tremendous that's 'cause she's pulling from real real issues in her life a lot of movies she has she cheat. She loses it and you know. She tried suicide several times. They didn't mentioned that. In the documentary. That goes a long way. Somebody who's tried suicide several times at that. More or less convinces me. She wanted to get off that boat and make make a statement and if she died during it. I don't think she particularly care because he's already tried suicide several times before that and I've had friends who've done it. Chico comes to mind. Chico didn't just kill himself that one night he had tried suicide two or three times before that so in these people end up being successful at suicide. You're not that shocked so I don't know you know I tend to think she was in charge of her own destiny that night. What are talking about a very stable person here. That's why I'm more than convinced that she got on that Dingy as an act of desperation and anger and she was feeling no pain as we know and I said she may be knocked yourself out and bought by the way the documentary also destroys this long rumor that Natalie Wood hated water and didn't like to swam and was fearful of swimming and dark water. That's a big lie. Since in the in the documentary you see many many moments where she's swimming in water with the family in the pool even dark water making movies you know. Obviously it's a pool In some studio but you know she wasn't afraid of water but we all heard Natalie couldn't swim. She would never get on that dinghy while bullshit. She could swim. She loves swimming. She loved having a hole in the back. It's all bullshit you really got got. The things were fed that we just tend to believe it's remarkable. I used to say many times. It was afraid of what she wanted to get now. We were wrong. What was uncovered? Is that her mom? The basis for this room was that her mom once saw a psychic. Who told her dark? Water is GonNa figure in her daughter's life that's where the rumor began and they do mention that in the documentary but there were several things in this show which recommend that dispel several rooms. That have always been out there. And I'm thrilled to say not. Once did they delve into the bullshit story? That a lot of you have put on the facebook podcast. Obsessed patient tend to believe it because empty it crazy days and nights put a blind item out there. A sensational blind item that Kirk. Douglas raped Natalie Wood when she was young. If there was ever a time to set the record straight what was also uncovered was just how much of a lunatic. Her sister lanna would was an is and how desperately she wanted the career that her sister Natalie hat and by the way her last name wasn't would natalie's mother changed it so Landau would have the same last name as her sister. Natalie a step sister half sister and then Hollywood would take notice. She got a couple of jobs. She got some work but she had not of the talent natalie ad so that creates that creates a dichotomy between the sisters too but every year around the time of her death. Lana would speak the tabloids and that are all willing to pay her and she brings up this bullshit rape story not to mention the fact that she says are Robert Wagner had a hand in killing her all bullshit. When you hear Natalie in Robert Wagner's say that as kids they were never close to aunt. Lana that tells me all. I need to know so. Check out the documentary. If you haven't already really above all else it shows you WANNA beauty natalie. Wood was and how she was one of the first actresses to really take the studio system To task and start to tell them. I'm not working again unless I choose my next movie because nobody wanted to do west side story. I mean there's a lot there that you haven't heard before it's fascinating. I recommended I also recommend. I can't get enough of the Michael Jordan Docu series. The last dance. It just takes me back to the nineties. Takes me back to my. Hey Day there's so many flashbacks to Michael playing the Knicks at Madison Square Garden. I was all those games every time Michael Jordan came to town. I got tickets to the game or I got press passed so I could walk around the arena the whole night fascinating just tremendous basketball I'm going to be so sad when it's over because this is that this is the one show. That's giving me my my dose of sports even when TV showing old games or classic moments. It doesn't it's not the same you can watch it for a few minutes but I need something that had never seen before and this last dance documentary definitely. Has It if you watching it you see? He's in different locations. Whenever we sitting down and he's being interviewed by the directories and all different locations. And there's a reason for that. Apparently Michael Jordan didn't WANNA have film crews in his home. You know his his quaint twenty eight Thousand Square Foot Palace in in the Bears Club Golf Resort in Jupiter Florida. God this fucking place. Apparently when your have friends in Florida who tell me when you when you go into Michael Jordan's development there's a stop light? And there's the bears club and the Ritz Golf Club. The Ritz Golf Club members drive straight and the bear golf members and also homeowners. Make a right. Turn into this magnificent gated stoned entry and his friend of mine said the difference between those two clubs is simple. Ritz homeowners are all millionaires but the bears homeowners are billionaires. Anyhow he didn't want to be filmed in any of his eleven bedrooms and six bathrooms and this gigantic media room and full size basketball court. He didn't want to be filmed on his private jetty. So the director acquiesced to those demands because Michael Jordan apparently didn't want people to see him and all that luxury instead. The director asked neighbors if they'd be so kind to rent out their homes and let their production shoot Michael Jordan interviews in their homes and people couldn't be happier to open the front door quicker so they shot the three interviews with Jordan and three different homes near his own home. Which I think is so fucking weird. I mean all we would see his one room in his house but he didn't want it very fascinating. Michael Jordan has has the world by the balls. How's everything I didn't even know he was a billionaire. Guys were billion. I know that for all the things. He has why he didn't let us see his home. I find fascinating I also find quite fascinating. They found this piece of footage. I never seen these. I've seen Michael Jordan crying when he held the The basketball trophy For the championship. But the First Championship. He won after his father died. I never saw the video of him laying on the floor face down holding a basketball and wailing crying. His eyes out game was on father's Day was the first time his father didn't see him play basketball game. Of course he won wins the championship. It's a fascinating piece of video to really get inside the head of Michael Jordan. How how much is father meant to him? I still can't get enough of this story. What happened a few days ago? Maybe almost a week ago is did nothing. Prince Harry wound due to keep princess. Rachel happy you know I call Megan Markle Rachel. Because that's her real name not gonNA call Megan Megan. She's Princess Rachel. Not only these two looking for their own piece of heaven in Beverly Hills or Malibu you know something in the fifteen to twenty million dollar range because you know any room. But in the meantime been staying at this ultra luxury beverly hills hideout that belongs to none other than Tyler Perry. Nothing fancy just eight bedroom twelve Tuscan style. Villa sits on top of a hill in a guarded gated community. Just your typical eighteen million dollar home with his own security force and grounds that are twenty two fucking acres. I didn't know anybody could have twenty two acres in Beverly Hills. Jesus Christ and Apparently Tyler. Perry expressed an emotional connection with the duchess when she admitted once during an interview that when she was in Africa that no one ever asks her house she's feeling. Remember that fucking interview will laughed while Tyler. Perry didn't laugh got. It hurt him. That princess would feel this way if you if you're still wondering if this Guy Cla made his fortune running around dressed in drag playing Medina if you still wondering if he's gay or not you need help no straight man has a soft spot for princess. Who's feeling down tyler? Perry having Princess Rachel stay at his estate is his way of showing the gay community. You see I did a good thing even though I can't admit I'm gay. I took an sad princess. Now do you forgive me. That's what this is all about tyler. Perry has always been and will always be petrified to say. He's gay because he fears losing the support of Black Church members even though he's got so many fucking millions he still nervous of what people think. I don't get it. I think people are girl. Poor always have this in their head that they could lose it all again in a second and go back to being poor it must be that because fuck if I had five million. I wouldn't worry about money again. I mean maybe you laughing at me I wouldn't I just wouldn't I know how to live. I just any on top of all this shit. Prince Harry has sold off his prized handmade rifles and made rifles worth a shitload. He's also quit hunting. Because Rachel doesn't like a Harry. Why the guns Harry Annoy? He'd killing animals Harry. There'll be no hunting in Malibu. Do you want to get thrown out of the Selo pub before we go the Harry? That's what the fuck he listens to all day. If you like hunting or not. Not The point. This is a guy who learned to hunt too big tradition with the royal family. He went hunting on hunting expeditions with family. It's undoubtedly something that brings him back wonderful memories of his childhood. His brothers father his mother all that Shit. I know I could never kill an animal on hunt. I just can't do it. But that's a big part of who he is but Rachel spoke up and put down the fucking law. You know it's one thing to say to your husband honey. No more hunting please. It's another thing to forbid him to have his prized rifles in the house. Get A fucking safe and put them on a safe and closed the door. Just how good is that pussy that he listens to every fucking thing she says? Oh my God I feel so bad for this kid. I still maintain with the way. She's being toward him. And this these fucking mandate she's laying down and the closer and closer they get to becoming full-fledged Los Angeles residents whether it's Beverly Hills or Malibu or Brentwood. This guy is going to become so miserable and the next two years that it's all been dissolve and he will back to. I mean he'll he'll live on both coasts to see his son but he's not completely done with the royal family. You can't convince me otherwise and I'm not completely these two idiots because the shit they're putting us through. The last. Few months is amazing. The only person happy with all their insanity is Prince Andrew because nobody's talking about his affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein and on top of that he hasn't helped out the FBI wants yet and he said he'd be there for interviews and they can't talk to him. What kind of world are we living in? Where the F. B. Fucking I can't narrow down the prince for fuck interview the even trying do care about the young girls at fifteen and an andrew a bunch of Weirdos had sex with they must not care otherwise they would have sat this guy down as anybody found d'alene Maxwell now g listen when I get a parking ticket outstanding. They come at me. Faster needs to motherfuckers. What is wrong with the world plenty? That's what I'm AJ Benza. That was your daily show. Wasn't your daily show. Was your free show. If you want the daily show you bet subscribe to patriotdepot dot com slash fame bitch and you will not be sorry. That's I'll talk to you tomorrow. Ag Benza famous bitch. Talk to you. Thank you for listening famous. A bitch is an AJ Benza. Workhouse connect production featuring the endless wisdom insightful commentary and sometimes fucked up perspective of a J Benza executive producer. Mike ACA vino technical producer Brian Vasquez.
NATALIE: BEVERLY HILLS CAPTIVE - EP9
"Rj didn't complain that was part of the problem. I I wished he had expressed his resentment but instead. He kept up a cheerful exterior. Sometimes I waited for him to complain plane or start a fight but his calm exterior remained intact his coolness drove me frantic because I was used to the emotional intensity of my parents. The happiest times in our marriage occurred when we were aboard. RJ's yacht usually on cruises to Catalina Island without other people hello and welcome to chapter nine a fighter voyage the mysterious death of naturally. I'm your host Dylan. How the day after Natalie Wood's tragic death Robert Agi Wagga was back home in Beverly Hills as the world mourns one of the most famous and beloved actresses to grace the Silverscreen. Rj remained isolated in his mansion focused on controlling the narrative surrounding Natalie's debt flanked by he's high powered Hollywood attorney and boat Captain Dennis Devon Agyei made sure that the rule telling the same story in an effort to keep suspicion of foul play away from him in this episode. We'll hear a stunning first person is an account from Dennis who claims it. Rj held him captive under the watch of bodyguards for over a year after Natalie's death. We'll also he knew details about how he moved on and quickly with yet another famous. Hollywood actress and finally we dissect the disturbing disturbing and extreme measures that Algi took against Natalie's aren't parents and sister Lana immediately following Natalie's funeral but first. Let's begin with Denisova the morning I got a Robert Wagner's house from being picked up the Long Beach Harbor. There were a lot of people at the house. I was taking right up to Robert Wagner's bedroom where his lawyer Paul dippers was there and he told me they call me directly face to face. This is GonNa be our story. Is this well. We're GONNA say you're going to be appointed to one of our lawyers and Mrs what are stories going to be. The story was that when when Natalie went missing that she must have gone outside her stateroom 'cause the dinghy was banging against the whole boat and and she she couldn't sleep leap so she tried to retie Dane and she must have slipped and fell in the water and maybe she bumped her head ahead on the swim platform and then wants to split water. Nobody knew anything she was gone. She was missing Dennis soon. Found out that sticking to a certain story was not all that would be required of him by Jay and he's entourage Dennis was asked and agreed to stay at the Wagner Hon and thinking he would be of comfort to R. J. and the girls as well and I was to stay living at the house there was because I felt like like maybe RJ myself. We needed each other. the housekeeper. Willie mays she was very very kind fine with me at all the way before that and at that time she was you know wants to make me as comfortable as possible and you know. I guess they felt like and they they needed me to have some kind of you. Know somebody around me while the girls and all those who love Natalie were in mourning. Rj made choices that many found odd choices included a stunning new love interest. It was shortly after the funeral one. Actually it was during the funeral. Joe Saint John was there and they they did spend a lot of time together. You'll say Johnston pretty quickly. She's Monte ruling CO author of Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendor him. I don't know if Robert Wagner was previously having a relationship with chill Saint John Before Natalie's death but I do know that one of the first people on the scene after Natalie's death at the home was Jill Saint John and did not stop. She was scare for Natalie's wake almost every day afterward. He moved on real fast after Natalie Staff he was seeing Joe Saint John Within two weeks after Natalie Staff. Their official date for dating was Valentine's Day nineteen eighteen eighty two so that's officially ten weeks after Natalie's death which is still quite soon after losing the supposed love. It'll be your life. It's hard to place judgment on anyone's actions. After losing a loved one that moving on from the love of you live just wake softer does beg the question. Just how much did Natalie really mean to Agyei J and Jill Saint John would eventually marry on May Twenty Sixth of of Nineteen Ninety and I remain married today but I can't help it. Wanda Eve Jill like Natalie and Barbara stanwyck before her is just another a woman who are Jay has used he's on gang ironically someone who has been repeatedly accused of using Agyei and the story of Natalie's death but there is strong evidence to suggest that like Natalie Dennis too was a victim of objects it was more or less like he knew that I was in his house and he knew that I couldn't go anywhere because there was people at the front door you know because there was a lot of media out there on cannon drive off seemingly wasn't taking any chances and kept Dennis away from a Ravenous S. press who will Hungary any additional details that could help explain what had happened to nationally and as a tactic Cape Dennis happy and quiet. Jay made sure there was plenty of alcohol listen about keeping me in their house if I don't get out to anybody and start talking to anybody. That's the bottom line was yeah. I mean that's what it was and and and to wake up in the morning dentist. You WanNa have a bloody Mary yeah that sounds good afternoon. Hey here I am. I'm GONNA Beautiful House. In Beverly Hills you know from a little one bedroom being shared by two other guys in marina a dollar rate. You know it's like you know it's like wow this is really bad. Rj attempted to Mike Dennis feel like an extended vacation and and although Dennis did enjoy the perks at first he didn't take long for him to feel trapped was dennis a guest or worse a prisoner he would go to work or something. It'd be left there. I'd be left there by myself. I lay down take nap could maybe go out to the pool. You know what I mean I was. I was like I was. I was living like Oh. This is great. I'll go by the pool. I was like you know I can't go anywhere. What what am I. GonNa do like I couldn't really go anywhere. I believe I only got out of that house. A few times I mean I I was. I was starting to really feel claustrophobic. You know like at nighttime when I would go to my room. You know if I felt like I want to go downstairs or or maybe just you know just move around. I I really couldn't do that because the the first time I put my hand on the doorknob of the bedroom that I was in it was like a magnetic locks they wouldn't allow me to open the door and small TV in there and I. It was just like it was just like I was in prison. He knew that I could really go outside because there was a bodyguard on the outside of the door the revelation that Dennis was literally locked in his room inside. RJ's hone and under around the clock surveillance does seem outrageous. How could this have happened. Actually my girlfriend came a knock on the door there one time and RJ bodyguards his name was Joey Vein and she. She told him if she says she's all WanNa see dense and he says well he's he. He can't see him right now. He's he's busy. She was real spunky and became back gets. You need to see Dennis right now and that's when I told them unless you know I need to go. See my girlfriend to chill out a little bit. See my girlfriend you you know and that's why they took mayor there. When I was spending some time with their I mean we're sitting Lou Room here. Just join ourself and also the banging on the door comes. We have to go now. Let's won't Damascene. You know kind of just been here for like a half an hour this now we gotta go now you know. I said hey wait. Can you know my girlfriend got a little upset. They literally grabbed me by my neck and literally drag me by my neck down the sidewalk and threw me in their car and took me back to Wagner's house. I was like man. This is just getting to be wait too much. Dennis knew he was in trouble at the time he confided in just one person he's close friend. Marty Rulli who explains explains when he was told say nothing he went along with it but deep down he knew he he wouldn't be able to live with that. He was very afraid he he in his mind deep inside he knew what Wagner's capable of and you know he's thinking will I be next Jay was getting more desperate by the day to keep the press from finding any potential cracks in his story had to keep Dennis in line on message and under control in an effort to do so. Rj Hollywood card and Got Dennis a job on his popular up your TV show heart-to-heart Agyei thought he could buy Dennis's silence Frank West more he was like Rj's like like right hand man and he says you need to get him to do something because it's not good him just being idle all that time he said you get him. Let's get him in the in the screen actors guild and you get him into being the extra and you get them on you. Get them on heart to heart is the benefit him because you know what if there was the benefit me. It would have been more than just a job being an extra. I mean at that time. Extra is paying seventy six dollars a day and if he was doing something benefit me he would have given me like some bit parts for something like that. You know that would have benefited me because then you would would be making some money life is TV extra wasn't working out and Dennis desperately missed the live he had previously working in and around boats so so without Jay's approval he began to do basic maintenance on the splendor but that also became a source of stress for Dennis. I felt like I was in real danger a few times in regards to Robert Wagner because I remember I recall one time when knows stranger. It came down to the dock and he's nice. He said he said you know he's gotTa be aware of what would make him say something like that and it just made my stomach. Khan and drop and then another time I got a phone call and I wish I remember the guy's name and he told me is you know you you you you better what very careful and things you say and I thought Oh my God i. I thought I think I started to think of myself. This is something you see on TV where you know somebody's getting a their their life threatened and you know my stomach just got all he really really butterflies and I thought I think is trying to tell me something here. You know as a matter of fact I kinda still still feel that way if something ever happened I'm sure they can pinpoint why it happened in and through. Did you know so I mean if something happens. It happens The day I left Dr Wagner's house he gave me a check for six thousand dollars and he said you can probably use this. Get Your own apartment and maybe see if you can start out on your own now and they left with a six thousand dollar cheque and that was like Kay Dennis. You're on your own and that's the last last we ever contacted each other. though Dennis had left Los Angeles and was now away from Agi. In the accompanying media spotlight he remained deeply scarred by the events that took place that not in nineteen ninety-one around these time Lana was also seeing first hand the Daca more domineering side of her brother-in-law aside side that had frightened her sister on more than one occasion though she had filed to speak to him at his home after the funeral Lana still wanted to make an effort to stay dying touch and remain a family. She loved Courtney. Anna Tasha wanted desperately to stay in their laws but Agyei felt out of the woods. You remember the next time that I made an attempt all of a sudden all my God. It's his birthday is coming up. You and I was worried about him being alone on his birthday because I'm an idiot blatantly idiotic calling the house and Katie Wagner answering the phone I are an and his birthday is coming in and what are we going to do and I'll take him someplace special special and and you come in the kids in the thing and and she said Oh everything's been planned all okay you don't have to worry about anything and I said Oh okay what what's going on and she. She said we're just having a party here and I said okay great what time and she literally said to me. you know it's just GonNa be. RJ's France and I said Yes yes Katie and those were also all Natalie's friends and my friends and she said well around whatever time and and I said fine putting any pride origo aside Lana would attend odd jobs birthday party with a friend at the time Allen and I went and shopped for a gift for him and we went to the House and gave him his gift. Nothing me made it very clear that I was not welcome. There and I don't know why other than okay it's tough. Death is tough and also face that so that was it we went out into the living room and I said I wanNA leave. We're just we left and what about Natalie's daughters Courtney in Asia nothing from the kids no contact nothing. That's title whole life was turned up everything they took away so I at that point started falling apart and things on the went from bad to worse when the issue of Natalie's Fawn will when testament had to be dealt with. I don't think it was until I said to Allen on day. I said I've got to go get get another pair of of black heels because mine are are shot and he said why are you doing that and he said in the in the Will Natalie's left. Did you Oliver Clothing Oliver Firs olive her you know everything and I don't remember how it is. He knew that but I I I can't go there. I can't go to the House I just. I don't know that I can deal with it and he said I'll take care of it. So he called a couple of his friends. WHO's they rented a ban and it took them eight hours to go back and forth earth and I didn't have any place to put these things I went and talked to the mandaric's I was in an apartment. It was a two double level mm-hmm but I went and talked to manager and I said can I but things in the hall 'cause Allen was saying we'll we'll buy hangers and so she said Okay and the top floor I'd opened the door to the hall racks acts of clothing out there and the bottom floor opened the door and Iraq's clothing out there and I couldn't walk to my bed. I had to step around things. My daughter's room was filled with stuff. It was it was more than an entire flirt saks fifth avenue it was it was crazy and some mm-hmm that I remember. It just got to me one day. I said I can't I don't. I don't want anything I don't know what to do. I don't know you know and he would say just pick out a couple of things that's just let's get it out so. I did that basically very few things and he arranged to have the and I honestly don't know what happened with the rest of it but I remember Jake was in the press saying how could she you have sold her sister's clothing. It's funny and I accepted the judgment. I felt badly about myself. It made me feel like how could I have done that and and then I remember back that I was raising my daughter since she was a year and a half old I never got any help. I didn't child support. I wasn't receiving alimony on your anything. I was working to take myself and the kid and I needed money every chance I could get and yet I accepted his saying those things about the because I felt like he was right but what was I supposed to do all that stuff up then all the things that he had of Natalie's he put all up for auction and sold old letters and photos and all these things that that was okay but me and trying to live that wasn't okay. Wow Okay a little double standard. There and those are the times when I become really angry. I remember Rj contacted me through his attorneys saying that he would like all her furs and I said well I'd like to keep I'd like keep one and I said okay I agree to it and he paid me for them. Arch was just just being really cruel had inherited everything else that belong to naturally and yet he felt the need to take away some of a few things she had left Falana the question we have to ask ourselves why once this just another example of Agyei exerting his dominance dominance and he didn't stop there used before her death naturally it purchased an apartment for her mother but RJ had plans for that to rj throughout the one that Natalie had given her because he wanted it for Katie and he'd said she didn't need that big place so she we had that taken away and that was in the will that my mom would would keep that place my mom and Dad but my dad passed away my mom. was given a a monthly salary of two thousand dollars to answer. Rj's Fan Mail so she used to sit with all these photos and right RJ's name do the love she was given the photos she was given the envelope and she was given stamps camps and she would sit and write his name to an love Robert Wagner and put them in an envelope seal them up and we would have to take all those things to the post office and mail them so let's absorb this while Natalie was alive. She took care of him mother but but after she died not only took a home away that made her earn her keep by running his own personal fan club what I know from Natalie's will is that everything was left to Robert Wagner he knew that and you know she made provision for her mother and close being donated to her sister and if the the kids being taken care of by Willie Mae the nanny but all all of her assets and Natalie Wood was the frugal one not only what is the person who saved the millions shed many millions of dollars and many asset and it was all left to Wagner by now lonner understood the message that she was no longer welcome in our world but what happened next. Exclude shock is still. I got a call from an agent Lana Ruin Perkins. I'm like wow how are you how nice what's going on for reference role in Perkin's recently pasta why at the edge of ID Foale and was one of the founding partners of C. I. which is one of the most powerful full Hollywood talent agencies in the world's? We chatted superficially for a couple of minutes. He said I'm going to tell you something and tell you this because I I really like you as a person and I said what and he said stop trying to get a job in production or acting. You've been blacklisted by Robert Wagner. I said he knows that many people who give a good goddamn with our work or not said we got a child to support so I started had calling production companies this like Oh. This is what I worked as a social bruiser but I've been director of development I was. Vp them busy and I did this and this and this and this could and get a job couldn't get a job and didn't have an acting agent anymore because I had hung that up to go into production which I loved loved loved it and then I got the phone call from Rolling Perkins. I never said anything about the blacklisting because there was nothing I could do. It didn't work in the industry but I worked. I worked as a a sales girl at new the. Va furniture is furniture. I worked at a a doll shop and collectibles in sales and opened it and close the store for Adam. I worked at sprint. Guy Did a lot of things so let's get this strike. Lana Wood was also also a rising star and played a bond girl opposite sean connery in diamonds off forever and now she was a shop girl selling dolls and and mobile funds while Lana struggled to build a life for herself. Take care of her daughter and mother the unanswered questions surrounding Natalie's death fell by the wayside as she focused on simply getting by on the other hand. Dennis could not stop thinking about what happened to naturally he had to tell the truth about what he saw and he could no longer keep it a secret about a year and a half after Natalie was gone was the first time that Dennis this said to me there was foul play involved in that at least death and then it took about six months after that where he told me about the bottle smashing smashing and the arguing and that's when I started to go to work on writing and the from the minute I heard that that foul play was involved in Natalie's death. I just felt a blanket of obligation to get the truth out there. I mean Natalie deserved it on the next fatal voyage and I said you know what I think we we need to call somebody. Let's turn on the searchlight to see what you know if we can. Maybe were if we see her something because she's not here. Obviously she's not near. We now need up. There is no. We're not GONNA do that. I says well we have to look for is we're not. GonNa do that as we have to. Call somebody he's. We're not gonNA UNDO that right now. Either what's happened drinking and and think about and I'm thinking the last thing I want to do is have a drink and think about this. You you know there's a woman out there. In the in the freezing cold water fatal voyage is executive produced and hosted by me Dylan Howard and American Media Inc executive produces also include Kelly Ghana and Caroliina Savedra from trifles engineering mixing scoring and original music by Tom Monaghan additional editing by Josh work make sure to subscribe to fight a voyage on Apple Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
"Well. Hey. There folks out in podcast land listen to your podcast. This is life is short before we begin I, want to think are presenting sponsor Bud Light Seltzer we love these drinks so much. We can't stop talking about them. So finally they just thought, okay, we'll be a sponsor fine. Here's the show. In, the summer of two thousand, twenty years ago who? I was doing my first big lead role in a movie called jeepers creepers producer of that movie was one of my cinematic euros, Francis Ford Coppola and he took everyone out for big fancy dinner. All I wanted to know about was shooting apocalypse now or the outsiders or any of his other movies I. so badly wanted to hear stories about about these movies that I loved I said. Something like Oh. What about Martin Sheen in? Apocalypse. Now, what happened when he punched the mirror and Coppola told me the story about it which was Coppola had a team where Martin. Sheen was a bunch of Russian nesting dolls and he was nothing but a face and Martin she was really drunk in this hotel room and couple told them about the dream when Martin Sheen. Punched the mirror. He was really punching his own face and he got a A. Sliced up, his hand had to be taken to the hospital and had a heart attack. It turns out later and I was just in on hearing him tell it and and then there was just like silence and I realized this table and their families and their kids there. You know ends like gruesome crazy story about filmmaking. Also, we're all about to go make this movie. Did you ever work with Coppola again? Surprisingly No. Could be a dream life. Good injury. Egypt. You are listening to life is short. I am your host Justin Long night. Sweet. Twenty year old Justin Long. Look a little yappy puppy. Dog oversized paws. Just desperate for stories from Coppola. Yeah I can see it. I wasn't there but I can see it even if you now twenty years later, if he were on the podcast, I'd be so annoying him. I was annoying today with our guest to him we're going mention it. And our guest today The reason we're talking about COUPLA was in one of Coppola's most iconic movies the outsiders, a movie that I have not seen. You Gotta fix that we should watch it tonight. Okay. and aren't you curious to see that proudly but I'm not proud I'm ashamed because I know it's great. It's great and you've read the book you know I have read the book. Okay well now, Sheffield Sham maybe a little. But our get. Yes. Our guest today was in that movie and you may be a titter. Now you may be so teased because Nazi Thomas Sowell no it what a great cast I mean it could be any number of who else legend Matt. Dillon legends in that movie that movie Tom Cruise Emilio Estevez. Ralph Macho Yeah Diane Lane. Who've man? What are you? How do you feel? Movie I. Think, she's an incredible electric personality. Great actress. Why I don't know just got. Flushed when you said her name well, also I I, discovered that movie. During, time my life formative time when I was the age of the yours discovering yourself. Yeah. We don't have to get into the race. Love. Okay. She's in the movie and she's great in it and it's just incredible cast. and. Yeah? That's where my my love affair with Matt Dillon began what? Oh you mean as. A. Awesome. Yeah. I would've told you if I do in a Crazy affair with Matt Dillon and you didn't tell me this is how I'm revealing that. You know me for this long term care. I would. Here right now get in the car drive away. I would need to be by myself for a couple of weeks. If. You earnestly told me right now but you had you had had a crazy like two year long affair with Matt Dillon. And well, just telling me now I would like yeah. That'd be I would question a lot about my existence. Yeah. Well, I it would be very hard I would have to have been because I was embarrassed to tell you or or Matt. said he'd would hurt me if I told. and. For the record I have not yet had an affair with Matt Dillon. We're both still alive so. I would have I would say probably less probable on his. One it's. You're more likely to want to have an affair then then vice versa I think. So it's so weird I. It's weird to think about I. Mean I yeah but. No my as an actor, I really fell in love with Matt and then years later it got to work with him and that was a thrill but. Also, thrill to talk to our guest today who is not met. Dylan. Hopefully one day. We'll be Matt. Dillon, our guest today rob lowe the really horrible to look at. the the very attractive I. Mean I hate even mentioning that because we reduce them to that but I talk about that let's get out of the way. Let's now the gorgeous elephant in the room. I mean one of I. Would say the all time best looking male faces on the planet why don't you say? Yeah. Yeah. Certainly really tough to compete with ROB Yeah. I mean and continues to and this is from someone who really admires Tom Brady's face but I would say rob lowe's next level. He's also really funny and you guys talk about that I know. So maybe we can talk about that after. Okay. Great. You Know People Know Rob Lowe everyone knows rob lowe. He has a new podcast. Yes. Called literally literally the truly literally you have to say like that, that's how he says it and New York we talked about that I didn't realize that because I am well, we'll save it So we'll talk about the podcast and it's funny to talk about a podcast on another podcast, but we've done it before and I'm sure it'll happen again and of course, it's incredible body work dating back. So he was going to say incredible body you're. Talking about his face. Oh we should also mention it's incredible body of work. Yeah and his face that also not to dwell on his face any longer but. Yeah but Isn't changing. So well is is aging in a really like Nice Way and not he's not getting all that worked a lot of guys. A lot of guys end up getting work done on anyway in my room for that and so many more things that we will get into right now my my I, my i. Never met him never met him So it was really cool to to get to talk to him also just as a little heads up. The I I would say ten minutes, nine or ten minutes of the interview via the audio on his end for some reason is pretty bad pretty shitty. But then he plugs something in or yeah flicks button or something, and it's a million times better. So he just said his gaze on the right part of the Computer Navy turned on. So just as a little warning, if you're annoyed by the first ten minutes of the sound quality, stick it out. It turns around at minute ten and I hope you guys enjoy it. Here's my talk with rob. Lowe. Dream Sweetheart. Did Dude. A. Christian I'm sitting across from he's wearing a hat that says beer me here's what I like about this hat. First of all, it fits my head very well, which is not very common when it comes to caps and another reason I like it is because it's from Bud Light Seltzer Yeah. So it it reminds you of nice tasting things something that you're drinking right now as a matter of fact. Now gross that's not going to help sell it. Was the slur delicious SUV, Black Cherry Flavor, our favorite flavor but. COMES IN STRAWBERRY MANGO LEMON LIME. The hat comes in all different sizes too. I. Imagine if you want a beer me hat I'm sure you could pick one of those. Well, you could also get Bud Light Seltzer delivered right to your door checkout bud light dot com slash life is short. It's a great drink for the waning hours of the day and of the summer, and that was very beautiful and poetic. I owe it all to my muse. Bud Light Self. Thanks Night Seltzer drink responsibly. That's all we ask. Busch St Louis Missouri. Again. Saying Rollo. Your love that. Yes. You know you know you know what it is. On the screen but I'm also I'm Jaylo. So that's kind of a fun one too. That is a good one look. Rob I have the worst memory in the world you recall US meeting ever. I'm the same. Okay. I I. Don't think we have I. Don't think we have. Your somebody that I've admired for such a long time that I it would be coming on me to remember because I. It'd be more likely that I would remember her. Because I grew up, watching you and admiring you. But I I. Don't think that we have. It's nice to meet you. You're why are you doing a podcast? I believe in. Running my career backward y'all I started out I started off as a big movie star decided you know what? I'm just going to go to television and then I was like you know what? I'm just going to become an author and then there's you know what? I'M GONNA go on the road with stand up and bang, and now it's like I'm doing a podcast devolving. What's next? Where do you go from lemonade stand? But very entertaining a gorgeous lemonade stand it will be unlike anything you've witnessed. The podcast actually comes from the place of like when I when I was like I got a memoir or two. But I didn't really know. But I knew it would be fun and it didn't work. It would be fun and if it works, it'd be great excel I did two of them and they both work. Then it was like I have a one man show. And same for work, but also doing it, and if it works, it's a whole other thing. I've been played all over the World National Theatre One? Twenty twenty five hundred seat of yeah. I do like twenty, five, hundred seat. Wow. What is that experience like rob is that based on your members than is that just your is it your life it's in lieu of a third memoir. So people were like, are you going to do a third book? So I wrote a show and it's it's very similar to the books. But it's observations. It's literally storytelling that's telling telling stories for an hour and a half now, some some clips but they're more for. Joke punctuation as. Far. Are you going to be starting that backup when I am whenever we the whenever we can get the concert business back going you know I will do that I I've got a couple of big Atlantic city things coming up a while visit. A podcast was the same it was like I. Think I. Have a podcast in me because I've been blessed to know a lot of. Really diverse interesting. People over the forty years at doing this ad history with every vendor. Sure like at them from the most random to the most famous the most and let's face it. No. GonNa talk to Gwyneth. Paltrow like the guy. WHO. Gave her room and board which was sixteen and being out in La trying to find an agent if you early literally. Yeah. So that That's the name of the show. NEP You've always struck me as somebody who, whenever see on talk shows You seem like you're very curious and you enjoy you enjoy talking to people. So it it makes sense when I heard that you were doing it wasn't like Rob Lowe Real. You see like you are a good fit for that. We'll. So you've just been calling friends and being like, Hey, you wanna come on the show. It's been friends so far but. I also. But. It doesn't mean people that I didn't know which has been really fun. and. It's like like a loss you know we don't know each other in its we instantly have a thing going on. So I. I loved I loved that but I gotta say it out of the gate. It's just fun to talk to Alec Baldwin. Or my Magic Johnson was my is GonNa. Be My second guessed and I'm like. He and are doing a deep dive of what we saw together as friends in the eighties. LA LAKERS. Showtime era I mean. No one's going to talk to magic like I am the right right? Well, can you I mean you can't really go. That deep when it comes to stuff like that, right I mean. I. Imagine a lot of stuff that you saw in the Eighties Brat pack that there's there's gotta be a finite depth that you can mind your member. Like for every great story, I, remember there that. I've. I remember seeing you with Kevin Bacon and I think Michael J.. Fox there's an amazing set of have. You seen these photos they were circulating on the Internet I think the one you're talking about is Judd Nelson Michael J. Fox. And me in the back of a bus that's what it is yeah yeah. I remember. You do remember that. Oh I remember three of US three most hung over human beings. In the history of the planet and We're on the back of of what was called the. Hollywood Clean Water Caravan. Yes. Organized by Jane Fonda and Tom. Hayden. It was the first proposition on the California proposition ballots ever passed. Well, of course, all they do is do proposition balanced. And it was to. To Label Toxins. That would be in the drinking water. You know no one knows more about toxins and drinking. Yeah. Three hundred over actors. Yes. God I remember those days where you could be hung over and that really feel it it was like A little rundown. Now I get a hangover and it's like I'm out for at least two days. You know for for for sure those days it was like. You know the way I feel before my First Cup of coffee. Exactly. Your Dad was a trial attorney. Did you think he had anything to do with your ability to speak into to? Engage in conversation. Yeah well, he was because he trial attorneys you say he was a a wordsmith. Syndrome. My mom was an English teacher and And one of the. Rotates every day ever life's never bothered to get around to figuring out what to do with it he wrote because she needed to had to enjoyed it. Journal wrote about her life wrote about yeah general. Everyday life dream. Journal. Short stories. screenplays. To and never did anything with it, which was always a great source of frustration to me because I'm very. On very proactive Orient and proactive and result oriented been when she passed away I guy inherited all of her writings, the woman journaled every day of her life. Oh, my chrome probably nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight to two when she died in two, thousand and. I while rob what a what an incredible resource to have somebody you were so close with. I'm sure you've Kylian read. Oh. Yeah. Like my brother and I are like. Weird Array trip we talk. Hang, on? One. Second. A weird raw tip. On my gosh. With. US. Oh, you are very boy that day Oh my God. That's so cool and also potentially I would imagine scary to uncover to unearth some of this. It's definitely the definition of Pandora's box. Yeah. You're not sure you WANNA open. Your. Dream journals yeah. Yeah. I wonder what my mother's dream. Yeah Oh God. I get visuals very easily to like instant Nichols and. Now imagining some of my own mother's erotic dreams I'm sure you're in a lot of them. You. What what is that like Rabbi Moshe also wondered this to be your somebody who is so often as talented and smart, and all of these cerebral things that you are. You're often objectified. You're you're one of the guys that it's safe to say Oh rob lowe's so attractive or age or these I'm looking at you now that's true. But what? Helped me as a person who is not in that position Understan-. That's like to I. Don't want to deal with it like it's an affliction but to. Spend a life with your face. Well. There's there's two sides of it really on is just even the conversation of it makes me roll my eyes and go you know. Huckabee, of course, of course, right? It is what it is. I don't know anything different. I mean there's no real way to answer that too I'm sorry to even ask without. What Dushi like well, just to accept the question is like you're accepting that that is a truth but. Let's say for argument's sake what my takeaway midlife. Of. All of us is is objectification I love that you use that word because that really is what it is an issue that the and usually the shoe's on the other foot. It's frankly it's usually guys objectify women, right? And I don't know how many guys get a jeff objectified like walk down the street. It's like I've been the person who walked down the street and now the construction workers whistling. Totally, totally. It's like. You Tom Brady, I can think of maybe a handful that applies to. Like you go. It's flattering. Right up into the mid is not flattering and when I was a kid. You could still hear me right. Just in fact, I can hear you better now for some reason, US really came in when I was. A keen idol I I was always unsettled by it and I could never really figure out why it was so unsettling and it wasn't until years of therapy. And getting sober and doing all the work myself that I've done over the past thirty years that I realize it was the objectification. You realize. Like, it has nothing to do with you your agency or something. You just happen to be the guy who is occupying place in the Zeitgeist. Wherever hormonal. Teenage girl. When you're in when they outgrow you or you outgrow, there'll be somebody else. Right. Belt that's been going on. Donovan and Elvis Bieber and Leo, and it's going to go on and on and on, and you just happen to have a spot on the conveyor belt and half the time they don't even know why like you. Well how quickly did that Happen Rob after after the outsiders that cause your first phone right when you put. It actually happened even before before that 'cause. I. Did a network TV series. When I was fifteen. In three networks. And we were the lowest rated show. All of television who right propped sixty minutes. With horrible ratings and I look back at the ratings and I think we had fifteen million people how? Disaster yet you know it's funny. I was just even back in the early two thousand I was just talking to Julie Bowen we were on a show together called Ed that nobody really saw got middling you know. And I brought that up and she said, Oh compared to today's numbers that. Hit it was like eight million. You know like you said, there just weren't choice it's just more and other things to choose So fifty million people are watching that that's enough to change your life. That's enough to change your experience walking down the street. Why remember we used to shoot in front of a live audience and you know as you know you shoot shows and eubank a bunch of them and then they start airing. So the first show we shot after we air your one episode, they introduced me and the place went so crazy that they instituted a rule that nobody under the age of twenty would be allowed into the audience again. What you do is I go like I'm still the same guy nothing. Else same guy who went to Santa Monica High School. Look it's not like I didn't have girlfriends I did but I wasn't in the cool group all the girls love the athletes, no volleyball players and I wasn't theater nerd you may have seen yourself that way but. Did you ever look back to your friends who look back and say, no, what are you talking about you were? You were answering cool. You were like girls wanted you and. I'm talent you. Now they really don't really. That it was. I'm first of all they were. Not Everybody was an actor. It was the business was still such that. It hadn't pivoted one hundred percent to being a total glorification of youth so. There were child actors. Now, every child isn't act raise best. True. That's true tiktok. And was your brother doing it at the same time we were you guys kind of coming up together Chad. We're really close still are in is four years younger than me so. He wasn't doing any acting or anything like that. He he and Charlie Sheen they were best friends and they were they were going to be professional baseball players that was. CARE. That's. Funny. Does he still play? Do you ever play with him on a softball league? I've play. Both are really good. Charlie was really good real. Throw in the nineties Mike. Good really good while so sorry to jump around. That did that TV show lead to cope listening you for the outsiders well, I only learned this later in life that what happened was Coppola asked for all of the teenage pinups. To be put on a montage boards, we could look through literally pinned up literally pinch. Me Being on that show turned into a teen idol which. Magazines which put me on the magazine where is casting director when and here's this. So you know it would have been meave Willie Aames. Mayo Leif Garrett and Matt Dillon, and that was part of while this is for the outsiders, and then of course, you had to go in and audition and read and do all that stuff. It was just you and I. Imagine a room full of like, who's who in early eighties Hollywood inner room do can it out like a mix and match type of thing, a total mix and match and it was everybody from Dennis Quaid. Mickey Rourke they were on the older end and Mickey Mickey was like. The next Great White Hope Yeah Yeah. All the way down to like. The kid who started et oh. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I. Mean. That's when I fell in love with movies. So this is. Just talking to you about this is A. Thrill really, I'm going to try to prevent myself from nursing out too much. But you must have been. What was your confidence level like I'd imagine for fifteen sixteen year old kid to be in a room with Coppola who at the time I think he was coming off of apocalypse now and? Didn't get any bigger than that. What did that feel like being in that room and not to mention being a room with Matt Dillon and these guys that you probably knew. It was well. The stakes were really really high. Really intimidated by Francis. And everybody wanted it so badly. And we're all friends by that point me cruise Emilio some of the others and we would go in for days edition day how he'd really's wow and mix reading the script. You would just exchange parts I, just seen some of the I was just watching hearts of darkness. Well that's what I always wondered about Coppola host of apocalypse. Now, if like he was more relaxed and just had this, he's with his directing style. No see I fought. All movies were made away Francis made movies right 'cause I, didn't know any better and. You know he he would. When we finally got the part I remember he would make us go play tackle football in St. Because he wanted to toughen us up. Oh my God I remember Tommy How Guy Blessed His dad was a stuntman Tommy was. Although it was the youngest he in many ways, it was the most experienced grown up on sets. Yeah. Tommy, huddled up said fuck this I'm getting I'm not doing this. And a Francis fires me over it so be it because what'll happen is I'll break my leg. Yeah we'll get mired. Wow So you know France that he was fascinating had amazing ideas and did things that no other director would have fought I've tried to. On it was it was it was up marrying badly, you guys improvising any of that or was it all pretty heavily scripted? We improvised the entire movie and Francis was the first person. Every is video or video assists or a monitor. Oh. My God first person why on that movie on the is on that movie Wow. Video says the entire in the whole thing on a monitor. And? That's when people will directors were still sitting right by the length. Yeah. Wow. And we shot the entire movie on a green screen at least twice before ever shot it for real. What? And I only learned later that that was because there was a hiccup in the financing. And he didn't want to release the cast. I just thought that Francis wanted to do a month of rehearsals. Home. My God this all crazy because you know the bank was closing on and because of one from the heart, you know right that musical that he did right that like was just way over. Oh, that's right. He did outsiders after Kahad see I always imagined heated outsiders because he lost his shirt on. One from the heart and so he needed something more commercial one, hundred percent. There was a notion that Yup. This was Francis is the idea of what a commercial movie would be. So. There was a little bit of calculation in it in that way but then you know he's an artist. So he brought that that level to it and he wanted. He would always tell you he was trying to make gone with the wind. Ironically. Matt hilarious. Movie. Make Gone With the wind for teens if you look a stay gold sequence, it literally is the same image from with God is my witness I shall never go hungry. Background. I've been meaning to Rewatch that I've been watching in quarantine I've been watching these old my own revisiting my favorites and. That's what I like to go back and see. And then rumble fish I was really into as well similarly. Green ironically because they shot them back to back. Oh Wow and rumble fish was the wine everybody that was a cool to. Consider the bubble gum teeny BOP even though that that book was way way more of A. But but rumble fish was definitely consider the cruel one to be an. Dream Sweetheart. Shepherd. It's. Would you rather time? Would you rather about the this is brought to you by but later Christian yes. Would you rather have for the rest of your life only but I have tap water or Seltzer water flat or sparkling flatter sparkling for the rest of your life let's say. Okay. I think I would I can't believe I'm saying this because in the last couple of years I've gotten really into. Seltzer water. I think I would say seltzer water now I. Think so too I. It's even. I thought. I, liked it but now I drink it. More than regular I, drink it all day. It's such an enjoyable part of my day now. It's sad I mean. This. Is Forty two. Yeah. I mean that's how beige my life has got is like it's kind of exciting to crack open a and that's I. Think one of the reasons I like but like so much because a came I was introduced to it during a time where I was really falling in love with Seltzer Water your love affair with Celtic. Yeah. Yeah. It took it to the next level. It did because it's It's a fun kind of spicy twist on it. Literally? Spicy. Spice Life. Oh Yeah. As long as I drink responsibly of course, it's five percent alcohol, but it's also it's one hundred calories. It's nothing. Never, meet again. When you're working that intimately with those that would that kind of cast. You must have forged lifelong friendships I. Mean you must still be friends with those guys. I was seventeen years old. Is the first time. I'd ever left my own home been with for my family. It turned eighteen on the set and it's the equivalent of if you had frat brothers and lived in were in a fraternity. Yeah. That's what it was. Regardless of I see them I don't see them. I haven't seen them in years when I run into any of them were frat brothers and we have that that connection that nobody can can can take away and we immediately are bonded right back to where we were. We were seventeen eighteen and nineteen to start start tackling each other in the street that would have a boxing matches in the hallway of the. Of the I don't know what we must have been out of her, what we listen seventeen, thousand, nine hundred. Yeah. Yeah I would expect. It'd be weird if you guys were all like no, we were very. Responsible, we will Yeah. It was in Tulsa they shoot that in in Oklahoma. All, in Tulsa With. Aaron Sorkin, West? Wing. How did that happen and and was that something that you were resistant to doing TV? Era It's almost hard to imagine now. Is. Tedious has supplanted movies now. Yeah. It was a moment in time where being on television was considered a second rate hacky video. That was the culture of right up to the beginning of the West. Wing was very much stigmatize. True. It was in fact, I would say that that's one of the shows that started to turn that stigma I it for sure was because I can tell you that from Kiefer Sutherland Twenty Four. To William Petersen and CSI. All lies took me aside and said watching what you did on West. Wing made me WanNa do this But. When I read the script, there was no doubt i. mean when I read the script, I don't care if this is on. TV. Movies Backyard Theater. The script is so good. I can't wait to be part of this and had you seen any variants work before I'd seen a few good men are auditioned for malice. Which Simone wrote with the People Forget about Alec Baldwin Right. Yeah. Alec Baldwin got the part. Did you guys talk about the Yeah Alec Alec when Alec and I did Alex is my podcast who knew for it? I'd heard you I was very nervous. Let me. Just on a total sidebar I. my wife was the leading makeup artist of her. For. Men and she was Alex makeup artist on Blue Glengarry. Glen Ross Oh. Do you know? Alec. Mentioned her on the show yeah. Yeah why there's Glengarry? Yeah. He was an I went to visit her and the two days that I happen to be. There were the only two days. That Alec was on the movie I watched Alex Shoot. What I think is one of the greatest performances. Tree of acting and that's his always be closing. Thought real estate. Wow, that's cool. What was that? I got to see the out I love outtakes more than anything and to see those outtakes what a thrill that would be. I can tell you what it was like those guys were not having it really now like who's this fuck? It would a handsome young guy coming in and shitting on US exactly one hundred and they were not acting. and. then. Alec, told me the story is so funny. What a King on not Jack Lemmon Ed Harris Alan Arkin. Because he does a good impression. Does a good. He said he said. He said there was a moment during the day he'd said to Alan. Going to be rough I'm going to yell at you I think you're great never. And then Allen was was in his dressing room I think talking on the phone and being loud and Alec was to talk to you knocked on his door and I'm just just on the phone you mind and Argos. God. Yes. They're in here. On the version told me was that he said that as a result of. Alec. Asking the makeup I think they were talking about like, Hey, how do you think that movie did or like their time box office should or like? Some kind of Chitchat about the industry, and that's what prompted them to say. Oh He's telling the same stories. Awesome when you have a great when you Play the hits. Oh, I have ten I restarted circulate. Sure. And whenever you can do an impression like that even if the story is not great. which this one is, it's all an excuse. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that must be another thing about now I'm dwelling on this like teen idol stuff and moving out of that and transitioning and being reduced to something because in addition to being smart you also very funny and I, remember like when? Parks and REC started people were. Divide was always like Oh rob or even like Tommy boy like Roblo gets the joke rob. Lowe's really funny I remember seeing Ryan Philippine Gruber and being like shocked that he got the joke somebody's so attract. When did that start? When did that perception as far as you can tell, start changing for you it was for sure When. Lorne michaels. took me under his wing for sure. Hosted SNL. which was a dream. And you know what SNL meant to me. As a kid growing up comedy, all of it is easier. To overstate and then to be able to host it in Ben for Lauren out of all the hosts that come go. To to sort of plug me. In. Put me in that in that. Tight. World of Mike Myers, and Dana and. You know in. You did a bunch of on Wayne's radio. I. Would I would always be like popping up those really funny movies. So that was all lauren who just all it was all lorn and a little Mike Myers because if We, hit it off. The, first time we met when you when you host. You know you get to go into the writers rooms and meet with each writer and you pitch ideas and host can be either as involved or not involved as they want and I always involved in. I remember meeting bike. very first time I, hosted he said to meet you WanNa do a Wayne's world or do you want to do a sprocket S-. So. fucking. Cool. Either way that's six. So cool and we did a sprocket 'cause I recall. Yeah. sprocket made to yeah ended later on I did Wayne's a movie. That is so fucking cool what. Oh, man. Was it hard I'm going to be like Chris Farley in the Chris Farley show. Is Fairly show. when when Chris, Farley the Chris. Farley. Show had Paul McCartney McCartney. What does he say to him and he's like? Yeah When you play song backwards it says you're dead Paul is dead. Is that true? But. What makes something like that great is like what like? The perfect balance to a character like that is. Which people don't give credit for is Paul McCartney being. Yes Chris I think actually you know I do think in the end the love you take equal. Being totally strayed and that is something that you were doing. So well in Tomboy Wayne's world these Saturday night live era movies like the golden era of Saturday night live. So. I. As an actor, I see that and I know that you get it I know that but people people continue to be surprised by your savings I grew is funny and it is the Gift Sun giving yes no one has made more. Hey. Out of low expectations. I. That's funny. You know. Funny. This Day. People were like I know you're so funny. By the way and I'm glad I'm honestly whether it's the books. The show whatever like. People just don't expect much from me. Back. Lower the expectations, and even if you're just mediocre people are thrilled. Not that good they just I'm going to be worse. Because you are funny was difficult then on West wing I imagine. It probably, the opposite of the Coppola experience in terms of Improv Improv and it's not like parks and rec it must have been so rigid right I've heard those stories about him, which is a whole other discipline and I'm I I love the fact that that I can can. You know Swimmin- both pools of sorkin world world where it is it's about executing a beautiful symphony difficult symphony and you have to trust your instrument and no one. It's your part and You know one to be under no one to be over and and it but knock it out of the fucking park every single time or parks and rec words Jazz and. You know you're you're kind make. Not. The we made it up because Mike sure wrote everything and ninety nine point nine percent of everything that was ever in parks was Mike sure in that amazing writer. Oh. Really was insane. Yeah I mean we do. What we call the fun run. Improv. The end and and stuff would famously make into the show but I think people would be shocked at how much of parks and REC was the amazing. Wow that is surprising. I mean it's a testament to the acting to felt. So kind of off the cuff organic in those testimonials always felt so like improperly yeah. Now that we would do sometimes they would. In fell Improv and it was very loose even though we lose, it was not sorkin where I remember one day we were doing one of those eleven page walk and talks with characters folding in folding hammer, and then going down a spiral staircase and then through which. To loading dock and a limousine going with an. And somebody had the line. It was written h. m. m. m. Comma I think so I think. So in your milk, we're going again. Oh, this steady cam guys like are you fucking? Oh God. And I always imagined to be I've never done sorkin thing but to be in one of those shots, like you said, an eleven page walk and talk with the steady I to have like a small part small line in that most beer. The worst. Now you want to have you don't have the small part you want to know because then if you fuck up, it's fine with. Me and I remember this vividly. Sometimes we would. We'd be on the set. And one thing was made me laugh about the West Wing is oftentimes will walk past the same door twice only the fucking door. Because you'd run a real estate ran under the hallway twice and then walking. Walking into the oval. That's funny. So you you'd be sitting there and you hear them coming. Go. And then you hear them coming in. Google. In the door would open new. Yes. Mr President and like new. Heart. When of not wanting to fuck up? Take that's already been going on for five minutes. Oh? Yeah. Oh yeah, and actors it's sort of like I. Guess it's Akin to I. Remember the First Time I went surfing my friend was like in Malibu. He's a really good service just come. Saying I think I should stay in the baby waves. He's like just come out you trial by fire you gotta just like get yourself out there. So I did and a bunch of surfers that I've been. Talking to beforehand, we've been going there with were so cool and chill and I got perpendicular to their surfboards and fucked up both of their waves and I thought they were GonNa Drown me. I thought they were going to murder me. Not even exaggerating they were live it and I think actors can to a certain extent get like if you fuck up an actress especially like thinking of some of the people on that show I'm sure there were. You know I've worked with Richard Schiff I'm sure there's I I. Love Richard. I. Love It. I love it. You you know you know it would be richer. I love you Richard and I wouldn't word. You know Richard Richard Tough. I'd say to his face I'd. I'd Flinch as I was saying it but I. Yeah I remember one thing I did with Richard the director who is really great director great. I was like okay we were pressed for time WHO's a low budget thing he was like, okay Richard you're gonNA come over here and say the line any SA-. and Richard Goes. Why? He said. Well you just because the characters here and you gotTa, you gotTa come here and he said why and everybody got really tense and enriched defense. He needed a reason it could have been and I think they ended up making a simple as well. You're bringing plate over there something simple but it was like he needed A. He. Remembered the director was kind of a younger guy. He was He started really panic. The can be tough. Yeah. But Helen. Is a as you also know having done TV that schedule eats you alive. And I was like to say if you see if you have a performance that you like. On television by television I don't mean streaming. That's that's movies. Now, network television There's a performance you even remotely like that person's a fucking acting genius. Yeah. because. Such a buzzsaw. All of the things that we do as actors to to to properly deliver a performance are. It's not a culture that supports it. So when Richard Schiff asks why which is absolutely what he should do. Totally. Yeah. The fact that we were able to take the time to answer those questions on the West Wing and that was the culture. That's crazy was really really extraordinary because as yes, we were there to serve Erin but the culture of acting was taken. Deadly Seriously, oh I bet and then go from west wing part of bouncing around. But so many great things rob only quickly superficially dine ask you when you saw. When you saw Austin. The original, Austin? Powers. and. You heard they were doing like A. When you saw Robert Wag, had you done Robert Wagner impression prior to that? So what happened was Mike and I? became best friends after Wayne's world. Each other's lives and when Mike was. Debating Doing Austin powers created the character and did it for a week at the ground legs. I'd give notes we talk and was unclear really what it was going to be or not an. Then he wrote the script and descrip- was great and I love that and I had a bit in it just for fun that got cut that's in the extended version with. which is a really fun. Really Fun sequence. I won't dray elaborate setup to describe it. I won't bore and I'll see it. Yeah it's in it's in the deleted stuff. Yeah. So and then Robert Wagner obviously is in an I'd known rj or here because Melissa Gilbert. And Katie Wagner his daughter were best friends. So I on any given Friday I was it. RJ's house drinking vodka with Rj Oh my God, my God, and so I had done in RJ impression. For years and years and years, and on never forget remember what we were golfing up here at Sandpiper Mike Nye. Talking about Austin powers not talking about RJ and I, did my impersonation for Mike and He loved it. So called US then wives that you have to hear this and they laughed and it was all a big kerfuffle and I didn't think anything of it and then six months later the script of Austin powers to the sent to me by Mike and he had written into it. That's cool Robert. Wagner. That's how it. Had ever done that impression for Robert Wagner ever and I was scared to buy bet I bet I do impressions of people that I really admire and Matt with somebody I, watched a man I did do. I man thanks. Yeah. Real. Good. But I we were doing a movie together and one of the ladies was like, oh Have you heard justice impression of you. What are you talking about Man i? mean he got a got the little weird I'll tell you a longer story next time. But yeah, I did yeah. I. I've been caught I've been called out by him and I love him but he was a man enough for it enough with the yeah. So good. But you know what I love about your impression you just did is there's It's him, but there's something there's an essence that you got. His channeling sort of aspect to it. This. Man Yeah. It's a lot of strategic. As Very tactile. You know where that all started that started with? Francis. Feeding Matt Brando Movies Day in and day out. o- in just about how is. He but this this Chin Rob sticking should not yeah, nothing more than Brando. Oh, my God Mike. Floated Down Dunlap ribble wants the unmanned smothers, Gavino Oh my God. That's really yeah. That's Inter-. I had heard that because he. You know. France. He plucked from obscurity. You know he was. Oh my God, and then he how did you ever get into? I know he sort of he fetish is that actors studio world and got deep into that? Did that happen? Did you know that's a very New York thing you know. That's you know very New York and I was La in the. Actors Studio had, La. PRESENCE UNTIL YEARS LATER Sweetheart. Dude. Meet again. What do you miss most about parks and REC people love that show I'm sure people come up to you all the time. It seems like Let me ask you a more general question, Michael J. Fox. Saying something like this when people would approach him just strangers would approach him about the movies. There was something more timid about the nature of their approach versus TV when you started doing TV. Did you find people were more familiar with you and treated you such? It's funny because I remember Michael and I were rivals for a moment brief moment in time. He didn't like me very much and. I remember going to I. WanNa, see the hagler firms fights the fight. Yeah. You know probably always introduced the celebrities and with US tonight is. Whoever So Michael Sitting in front of me I've not met him. And he's sitting in front of me and they introduce him any waves and then they introduced me. In whips around and he's like, oh. So there you are Mr Brat Pack I guess my. My invitation got lost in the mail. That's okay. 'cause I got my own thing on the snack pack anyway. So we hit it off and we were friends ever since oh? Good. Okay. Wait. So he was he was being cheeky I thought like he's the best and so. One of the first time we were hanging out. You know he was I. Think back to the future had not even really come out yet and he was Alex p Keaton family ties and we run up in a car together. And the group of girls or whatever looked at us. And Mike Fox said, look the way they relate to me versus the way they relate to you. Because he was he's I'm in their T. I'm in the TV I mean they're living room. You're up on the big screen and Michael. Fox was told me that same story in that and I think that he's absolutely right. There's A. Familiarity of intimacy that you. Homes a year, and then a larger than life quality movies and also it back. Then as you mentioned, the teen idol phenomenon was was in full effect and so these girls deified you in a way I mean they were literally like you were part of their iconography putting you on the wall and I would say you're surprisingly down to earth only in the sense that you for so long were inundated with. Adulation and adoration. So that was a ticket toll psychologically. Say I I mean I think you don't survive Kyrie long in this business without perspective. I'm and you gotta like take it for what it's worth. What we do I actually think it's more important now than it's ever been to give people comfort and remind each other of our shared humanity and and escape from the from the daily but. Also. Playing dress up for love it right me. And Yeah and So I think the people that have a really good perspective on it or the people who at the end of the day can survive it did you did did that take? was there a turning point in your career when you had two adopted because of the result of, let's say not working as much or just moving from teen idol a different phase that was not maybe you weren't as popular whatever did do you remember moments? We really had to take stock of where you were psychologically Oh, God. Yeah I look I spent the eighties building my career. Ninety S building. My development which you know that there's that that saying and I believe it's true that however old you are when you become famous. is where you are stuck So have you come famous fifteen your fifteen year old for the rest of your life. Unless. You do serious work on yourself I think there's alarmed widened. So for me I, I would be I was trapped. Like in I was like Hans, Solo in carbonate? At. An eighteen year old rat packer Yin and you get into your mid twenties and if you get a glimmer of awareness and realize that's what you are. You know you're at that fork in the road where you can go okay I can be that guy or I can grow and have different interests and be more well rounded naturally have a family and when I'm sure say meeting your wife was probably a huge. Off Shore these are going to be lightning round questions. What is your most commonly used Emoji? Would you say? I the stupid original yellow colored thumbs up. Great on I'm just stupid and easy and just wanted off my desk. Good I and it's it's user friendly. A professional athlete, what sport would you play you mentioned baseball or Chad played baseball cou well, surf baseball baseball's my favorite. And then in. I I don't know because I I'm obsessed with surfing. And I would love to be a big wave surfer I have loved to have done that. I'm obsessed with golf. But then you go about making is it about what ser can also make money and not kill myself? Yeah. Like what would you do? Yeah, exactly. That should be part of it I. Guess What if just pure ability? Able to do something I would I would love to be. A professional. Golfer or professional surfer are you in? Chad are you said you're close? was there ever a moment two brothers both of whom were actors at one point did was ever weirdness between you guys in terms of like how should I want that part or you know Is. It was the only weirdness was really when I was and I think were sibling rivalry than anything as I started getting famous at eighteen. Chavis south or years. In surely used to roll their eyes. At Amelia and I don't really. Those Hollywood guy is. Highly. Really we're. Going to Mickey Owens Baseball Canton Missouri. Eating their Sushi and doing their show business. Then the next thing you know. That's funny. Do you up for young guns. Were you like you fuckers? No I don't know where my my offer for young guns was. One of those. Living Fuck. You think Amelia Bald me without me knowing probably. I think he might have That's if not we should get that rumor going. Some controversial Brett bratpack rumor. If you could have one snack food for the rest of your life. What would it be? By the way I love your reaction to that I wish we could see their reaction. He Okay I could sell you. You just say deflated like this going to be too hard. To hard. Yeah I mean. My Motte, the hill that I die on. In terms of health and eating well is. It's ice cream above all else would without a doubt. That's that's my Kryptonite. There's a moment during this covert thing where I. Became aware that I was. In my third trimester with an cream baby. and. So I was going to have a big gender reveal. You're not supposed to do that anymore by the way can even do that anymore. Yeah. That's up to them. On but I, I was GONNA have it a naming party but I I was going to name my baby Hog dos. Click sense that sweet. How Also gross. Gross. Yeah. Well, I'm also a little lactose intolerant. So it conjures images of like just like pushing out gas the kind of gas rear like unscrewing out the radiator and it's like I remember that feeling after a date you know when you like ours just sitting on whatever indigestion you're working through and Then when you whenever you leave the house or whatever it's like you're in a loan in a car. You can feel yourself like change your body like changing. This the next question I often get shamed for and nobody shamed me worse than Alec when I said You can imagine it's what's what's your favorite movie of all time if you have one You. Yeah. He was coughing ally. fucking laws. It was it was A. Would it be so hard for Alec Baldwin to get a laws. What. I know. It was also pre Kovic. So I wasn't as like squirrelly about it. Yeah exactly. It would be something with party. By the way. And for me it is with. Marty. It's good. It's good fellas. Yeah. Yeah. You enjoy a hill. if you if you had to live somewhere else, oh, you must have if you had to live somewhere else you live in Malibu now I live in in Montecito oh, Santa Barbara Yeah. Oh cool. Where where else would you live? If you could pick another place? Here's the good news I know this is the best place in the I in the at Zip but I have. Like Here's my fantasy lane. Hudson River valley. Rolling state down to the Hudson River valley the best. Part of me that could be on the. intercoastal waterway a key largo. Yeah. I could do that I got a part of me that could live on A. You know. Seventeen eighty farmhouse on the outskirts of Nashville. Yeah. Great. Country of Virginia I w some. Oh, I'm on board with all of those. Fantasies living fantasies. So. Good. If you have dinner with three people dead or alive whom you've never met, who would they be? JFK. He's the first one. Three people it's really always such a hard one. That's why I never did the damn proust questionnaire in Vanity Fair award all that stuff don't time for that. They do but you sometimes the more time you have. Then you start like second guessing and wanting to sound but. I know, this is a tough one. It's a tough lightning round one go I'm going go. It's really hard because. Like like like, I'm a huge Paul Newman Fan. I knew him a little bit. You he wasn't. An ominous about it, but he's not like overly personable. Well, that's the thing. It's like this is operating under the assumption that like e you know Abraham Lincoln or Thurgood Marshall are going to be like great dinner conversation listen not whereas a good example of that how that's not often the case I did have dinner with Coppola. Produced Movie I was doing and I was trying to just every chance I got I was bringing up movies and is the last thing he wanted to talk about you just want to talk about wine and Pasta you know. He hasn't changed. Yeah. Yeah I can. So it's GonNa be it's GonNa be me and Jeff at at the Apapa on stool. Okay. All right. All right. We're getting the cheeseburger now Okay. WHO's The muppet? Oh. One one, hundred percent. Kermit. Do criminals the rainbow connection it's all over. Yeah. Done that's true. That's true. If. You could have one superpower. What would it be? To fly of course, the okay. Also correct and if you could be one age for the rest of your life physically speaking, what would you pick? I would be happy to be exactly as I am now I for me, it's anywhere from. Fair to ask you that question I think like forty seven was a really good year terms of. The balance of like mental physical spiritual career. It's been a long wait. I. Now it'd be great to I definitely don't want to go back to teen-idol or pack. Sure I don't. Yeah. If. You could be reincarnated as a non human animal. What would it be? What animal do identify with a Dolphin? Sure. Yeah Okay Todd. Not Always. cattery the. Like sex very smooth, there's smooth and they not a surf waves. People like touching them. They make you hats they haven't. Is like releases something in your body like hearing a baby laugh it really food. That's a good point. That's true. You're like they make you. Giddy. Yes. Would you rather be again, not fair to ask you this, but would you rather be called unattractive or unfunny? I'd rather definitely be called on unattractive. UNFUNNY would be. The. Lowest form of misery. Especially if it's somebody you. Larry David or somebody on my killer. Oh God I'm just picturing that now literally, that which which golden girl do you most identify with? Dorothy Blanche rose or Sophia. Dorothy was be Arthur blank resort. I'm a big be Arthur person. I'm a big I use maude and her as a touchstone, all the time Would that be one of your herald and I'd just saw it for the first time recently. Herald. Maude is Great. I mean, that's my son. Just Watch. It's Oh. Yes. I'm a big be Arthur person. Your sons go back and watch your stuff to they. Have they seen all your stuff? My youngest one Jon Allen has never seen frame of the West Wing. What. Oh my God doesn't just to go. I have a theory and this I encountered this twice now on the show that it was. Correct. See what you think of this. It was during a time in your career when they were young, they were like and that show brought you away from them. Took you away from them. So maybe the subconsciously there like fuck that show that was responsible for dad not always you know. Modal. I think that's That's that's really true. Have I've Chris Pratt on the first episode of my podcast and he and I he's married to Katherine Schwarzenegger. Right, after towards snigger is a my goddaughter. Oh. My God and daughter and Goddaughter Yeah, and she's very funny about she's never seen like true lies. Weird. What well, I'm sure she's seen some the sure. She seemed Terminator Predator this the other one like. Have, you not seen every movie that Arnold Schwarzenegger's. GonNa. Well. Maybe that was during No but it is that formative years. It's like it's like it's like I, get it. It's it doesn't. It's not a part of their entertainment sphere. It's the part of their fan family sphere exactly, and so they're not. You know whatever and maybe responsible to the other weirdness Jewish bone mentioned. This was that when people would come up would kinda bother you guys when you were out I'm sure it happens to all the time. When people approach you and want pictures now everyone's got cameras. I'm sure it's like the West Wing is. Responsible for that yeah. Screw. That should. The West. But he should watch it because he's isn't he a filmmaker he he worked at you. A He's a writer on nine woman Lonestar. Oh. Okay. Well, just for that alone should watch. The Beatles or the rolling stones to prefer at the same exact question I ask people. Oh Yeah. It did I like it it. It's. One hundred percent the Beatles yes mine is too. Yeah but. I like when people qualify that. For whatever reason I was interested, there is a qualification to it like that. The. The Rolling Stones are the world's greatest rock and roll band. And I never saw the Beatles live scene. Paul. Live a bunch. On a little bit but there's no one when the center stage like Holy Fuck that's rolling stones. Yeah. And there's no one like that didn't know nobody comes close on the other side of it though it's pound for pound. Legacy. You know. Biting you. You're not GonNa ever top Lennon McCartney a song not I think more difficult question is for me is either Bob Dylan, the Beatles or Bruce Springsteen in the Beatles that would be more challenging route. So I mean I'm. I. Might ask you what's your proudest you've ever done. I say my set list when I hosted e-street radio. Oh. Cool. That's cool on Sirius. That's cool. That's fun. That's awesome I. You also have a similar genetic makeup in the sense that you're still there. There's this vitality that you both have. I, saw him onstage. It's now ten years ago but he was I think into his sixties at the time maybe late fifty and he did over three hours and it was like. A sweat and I it was tiring just watching him. You know he's he's been a a real inspiration to me on a lot of levels. I don't know him well, but I've known him. peripherally for many many many years and I've, I've taken a lot accuse. Do Do you you know him well enough to ask you to ask them to do the podcast? I've already asked her. Yet. Okay. And I WANNA I wanNA listen to that one and here from sure you do impression of him. Like this. A lot of laughing. That's good. It seems like a joyous person. As to you I'm so glad we got to really do this was this was so thrilled for me. So thank you. Yeah me too. This is great. I. I feel like our our shows are some. Really Yeah, I'm excited to hear yours it launched well today. Today. It's every Thursday great a literal literal. Early every. Why did you call it that what made you decide to it? That's the my parks and REC catchphrase. Okay. Okay. So people did say that you often when they come up to. Lick. It's I've I've never had a catchphrase. It's been however many years of being the business and the fact that I got one on parks and rec made me made me laugh and also there is it is literally a podcast. Yeah Oh. So you literally that's things I say it's a stupidly. All right. Did that just become. catchphrases were a great deal. Do we talk about a lot? We did that happen organically was literally literally was just something you said on the show and then they were like, oh It's currently Apparently according to make sure it's he noticed that I over used the word lot. And that I really leaned in on that whenever a said it and I did that not exactly correct. Pronunciation Oh but through the correct usage see that's what bothers me well, also not that either. But here's one of my faith was proud of his. Chris traeger characters use of literally was so. specific in not correct that dictionary change amended while the definition of literally. Because of that. That's influence. What's Yeah that'd stop any bragging if you've done it. Yeah. Well, you've done a lot of great stuff and I am going to be bragging about having had this conversation with you because I just so enjoyed it and. I. Thank you. All jail. You're the man, Rollo? Yellow. And Oh and profile cobalt saw self. Wearing a shirt. That's And it's on. Mama. Speak. Well, say no more I'm buying it. and that is the genetic makeup of your face right if you were to apply this at my my head on your. Okay five to ten days. Okay. Well, I'll see you then. And thanks buddy there really have fun with the podcast. I will for sure. I would love that. Okay. Thanks. Thanks Rob. So for that happened wedding, you're sweating to, why are you? Why did you say it like seductively I didn't you did that happened you know now you're flood now you're embarrassed you try you were projecting your own I western I'm just calling it like I see it. And I after hearing that it felt like I was on a day not on a date I was like observing a really nice interaction between two guys who are hitting it off Oh. Really. Yeah. Yeah, I use it on like, yeah, you're like flirting with him I. Am I ron. You were straight up flirting with him. Really. Yeah. What do you mean? You're like giddy around him I. I I. Listened to the part where. I'm just very charm him. Yeah. I could tell what do you mean flirting though how is you had talked about how? You would talk about how you would never met him before the record I have had a bud light I'm I'm almost done with a bud light seltzer. That's why you're. So you had talked about how you never met each other and and was like I would remember that I remember that like you wouldn't remember but. He goes he's like, yeah but you know I think we have a good thing going here. Yeah and when he said I, think we have a good thing. I. Forget exactly how you phrased. We have a good thing going on here we're connecting or something you I. I could hear your excitement in the silence. Well, I I really like him I I get it. He's very charming. Yeah. He's very cool. He's cool and he. Doesn't take himself too seriously how tau attractive is that such an attractive quality? Yeah. Yeah. When somebody who looks like that? Who could I mean? Let's face it. Most of the people who are in that category like A. Ten. To nine I'll sit a nine or offend. Anyone calls him nine is out of their minds Tends. I don't want to generalize but for the most part I would imagine I mean it makes sense. They never really have to cultivate as much of a sense of humor or a self-effacing personality. He somehow did well, which again is why he went to his parents. It's also why people. have. Low expectations. Exact or him what a? Comedy and he's taken advantage of. People probably they look at someone like that and like how he's probably. Like a Mimbo. Doll and skated by his looking. He's actually really funny. Really funny. Yeah. I know that was something I started noticing in the. I think we've gotten into too much in the interview, but I remember that being being struck by that be like my perception of him and also throughout you know sex lies and videotape, and then this the standoff that was a big scandal now they're you know. I mean they've been like you don't think about that anymore when you think about Rob Lowe but as a child of the eighties that was a huge story ny were bad boy. Yeah. He had that image he's confident himself but he also. Put this he also doesn't take his celebrity or his former teen idol status as anything more than just like a thing to. He doesn't deny, but he also doesn't. Like revel in it, and he would, in fact, if anything you reduces to this passing superficial thing that you know he was on this path at some point along with Bieber and you know well, all these guys I these teen idols and it's and it's fleeting. I think that's the only healthy way to internalize something like that because the alternative is really actually scary and I've seen that manifest and people to the former teen idols who right that either holding office bats he says that was really interesting I. School football stars to ten years I never heard that before the idea that when someone becomes famous, they get stuck at the age. Where they became famous. Unless you to real. Work work on yourself and he did he's like one of a number of guests we've had now that WHO has become sober all those guys I mean the common said this before but the common. Through line is that They all have a wisdom because they've worked on themselves in a way that. Other. People don't have by the way. This episode is sponsored by Seltzer. It's true. It's true but drink responsibly anheuser-busch 'em heiser and. Busch. anheuser Busch St Louis Missouri Anyway drink responsibly, and you know not to dwell on US face how many times we said that but I was studying it because it's right in front of me and it looks like the face that I remember being in high school and wanting that feeling of wanting your face to look different like, Oh, my I, don't I wish my jaw line were more defined. There's certain things that are like the mail, the idea of male beauty being defined in culture and wanting those things and I realized I, that's what it is. His face is like the definition of you like. An objective marker of Mayo beauty it is. But again I feel like we shouldn't be dwelling no because it's So much more than that and I. Thought it was so interesting the way he he articulated it very well that. To be reduced to that like you lose your autonomy almost you lose a sense of agency or control while you're objectified. Yeah, he rectified. And Ben People. Ironically, his first movie, the outsiders that we just talked about. He got it in part I. Know You go through a rigorous series of auditions in part because he was teen idol and he was up on that board with all those other teen idols of the Time Lake Era Leif Garrett. What's his name from Charles Charleston charge Oh Scott Bay oh that's right lanes. Let's see. Now I wonder if Scott I just wonder when it comes to being healthy having a healthy perspective teen idleness I wonder how those I'd be curious to talk to them and to know because I I don't want to mention names but I've met people who are still holding onto it. You know I'm. Very difficult in different hard not to hold onto it like you said, the Star quarterback of the football team. Who Wins the state championship very very often that guy becomes a forty year old guy who's still talking about championship night Yeah Yeah I think that's very common but rob lowe is clearly done a lot of work on himself and In. Other impressive thing about him I want to listen to his podcast because me to a very good storyteller and I imagine. Imagine his podcast is full of those stories but wasn't that by the difference between the TV star in the movie star the difference. and. And he had a perfect story about Michael J. Fox that answered the question I think people Alec Baldwin's go to this to people who? Use Stories to make their points, and then I talked about this with Alec. Baldwin. But it's such an impressive quality to me that they kinda slip in. Seamlessly yeah stories. In order to make. In, order entered in order to further the conversation. Yeah. Just, like I'm going to. Turn to. ververs thing or to advance a point you made. Amplify your own. This guy he did that he did that I sometimes find myself, which is scary I. Don't want to like turn into this person, but I find myself telling stories. Because I've been reminded of something in something, there's some word is triggered a memory that I think might be entertaining everyone kind of does that but I think some people just do it much better than others and like you said to advance the conversation and not in a selfish way to like hold court and telephone story. Yeah. I I sometimes fear that I do the the latter. He just seems like he has a real zest for life and when you asked him where he'd WanNa live if not for where he lives now he he wanted to live in so many different places I thought that was. Really told me something about. Like he he wants it all I want to live in Nashville I want to live in New York I would live in Calif-. He really has like a zest and WHO's Yasim for life and a youthful quality that to that way of thinking and being and I wonder how much that has to do with not to get back to his looks but like I just in in terms of his forget. How his face is set up it's just looks so young he looks so youthful I love his. I, love his dinner of Gorgeous guys him JFK and Paul Newman. Gorgeous why would he want that kind of competition? Well, because he doesn't care about that stuff is true secure. Yeah. That's why yeah. I wouldn't be no imagining myself having Rob Lowe of rob, Lowe's face and I wouldn't want Paul Newman around I know I would want like Amelia earhart. I think. There would be at my. Hard one for me what would you talk to her about? What are you kidding nick more like what happened to her? That's it enter adventures in her travels. Would bring up at a dinner party I had never met. You would bring up how she died. That's so rude I'm sure. there. I don't think it'd be rude to do that with a dead person if like like let's say there's an afterlife and you get to actually have discussions with people like I'm I'm sure People WanNa talk about that stuff at least ease into it of course, I wouldn't open with that. Melia. So Nice to meet you what is it? How do which island and you crash and like how long did you live? You can't do that I would I would I would be the one I'd go out of my way to bring up the South Pacific and I wouldn't order the crab because you know. Got Eaten by crabs apparently he's a dolphin. He said he wants to be reincarnated as adult Hanan who's more of a dolphin than him yeah. Makes Perfect Sense. Yeah smoothies. Very smooth. When you didn't know, you didn't know that literally was catch and parks and. You're like Oh. Yeah. Yeah. But you couldn't commit to say I. Didn't know that I know but you also couldn't commit to lying and saying, oh, cores parts. Relations Inbetween you like Oh, Rockwell does. Oh. Knows something but he doesn't want to be. Oh Oh, yeah yeah. I did another I should watch more parks and REC because people I really my life partner. Yeah. Like people who sense of humor. I respect. Really like one little clarification you said he said. He loved her and Maude and you confuse that with Harold and Maude and the different things I did Maude is the spinoff is a show was Sitcom in the seventies. That be Arthur starting. Oh, at Harold Maude is a a movie I know we were just talking about. Different kinds of modern and I think he knew that and he didn't want to correct it because he's charming and cool. Really I I don't have the same problem I didn't know I did that yeah? Oh, you add any any opportunity to shame. Challenge now, he's to He doesn't care enough about being right. That's another charming thing. When you don't care that much about being right and I also I also need more. Let's read a letter. I also bring up to Chad Lowe is. I did. Yeah. But not about life goes on now. I love life goes on you have to have you both had grown up with much locos on. Yeah. That was a big show us. And so he was like a I'm I'm the present I think I was in a way more aware of Schadler Wild Rob Lowe for sure show. Rob Lowe to me again to get back to the. Scandal. But he was synonymous more with that. I remember thinking about rob. Lowe. Because I was too young to watch. Yeah I was I gonNA. Miss. The Brat I saw a lot of those. But I wasn't. I was too young when they were we not the exactly yeah. I was really into Emilio Estevez. That was like, I, thought young guns. Yeah from young God. That was like a form of movie for me but then I went to see I saw men at work in the theaters with Charlie. Show. I was really into I thought he was the coolest. And that's the reason I watched the outsiders for the first time. He's cool and similar vibe to rob I. I had lunch with him once very easy to talk to. Funny. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. The BRAC. All the ones I get cool to the man I. Guess The rat pack is cool too. Yeah for that generation but for us for our see, you know this is GonNa be controversial but I think. The Brat Pack Seems Cooler than the rat pack because it was a time I feel about Sinatra? Overeat overrated. Rib Lie. Made to the Ding Dong deleting down it's just kinda like this and hey, let me put it this way. Right actor. Tra is no Ben Platt. I agree with that and probably had a much different. Perspective on the world and different opinions. Hey, here we go with a letter. doing bring a Ding Ding and Dean Martin with drank all the time like Sammy Davis. You've Sammy Davis is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Very he's incredibly funny and great singer. He did it all. I do. But I think Dean Martin was just Kinda like Hey For the ride I think Dean Martin is, is like like leather Okay, let's. Angry Dean Martin. Mail. The come at me. Dean Martin Fans and also indeed Martin fans defense I don't know enough. I, don't either we just seems like a hanger onto me but Don Rick was don rickles part of the. Court I feel like they were maybe condescending to him and he he to me is he's better than all of them out. Yeah. Yeah. Let's read a letter. Okay. This is a letter from. Julie Wilson. Greetings from Indiana. Gins Linger. She says an Christian lot of people call me a reference that on Instagram I noticed when they when they write things to me hey, gunslinger you really made an impact on that show. Yeah there's something that's a little condescending about it. There's also a funny name. It is a funny name. Yeah. Cancelling our. Big. Fan of the show and bigger fan of the Christian Justin dynamic thanks Julie I grew up with three sarcastic and witty sisters as the youngest. So I appreciate a lively and fund sibling relationship I can say I listened to another podcast of similar design that is very popular and I typically listen to the interview skip the host chat at the end because I just don't find it to be engaging and interesting now that's nice. Curious talking about. Yeah I don't want to. God Yeah. That'd be insulting. But it's nice of her to not have mentioned that because it would have been like a snark and and she says, she likes to listen to it with your podcast. I find myself anxiously waiting for the discussions between Justin Christian at the end. That's really nice. Sometimes, I hear little comments during the interview that I know hope to have a little commentary from Christian. Now, can we talk about that sweet drop? Of Sunshine Maggie have. You read this letter though. We've only had a small glimpse of her on the show. She's GonNa love this. But, she is so positive in bubbly ugly. She can be bubbly. You've seen when she'd gone a little flat. Yeah. She's not as carbon loans always bob no of course. But bubbly again, thinking of the ditsy thing you have looked on reaching for I'm assuming bubbly I'm assuming Julie dozen equate bubbly with ditsy right? We were just talking about yeah. We even the beanie episode. Yeah Maybe. She does I just find it infectious. That's really nice like that. I would love to hear her on the show every now and again I love this you will, and you know we try to imagine he's been in the voice memos. So if you listen Julia if you listen to after the credits at the end, we we include a voice memo and maybe we'll include her in this one. Okay. So in back to Julie Good Job Christian. I'm not responsible for her personality in but thank you. Also I hope we never have definitive answer about the Christian Derek jeter debacle because I love Christians reaction to fans writing in with their opinion or facts in quotes about Derek jeter's athletic abilities. It's always good for a laugh. It seems like so long that tobacco was raging. All in all you both seem like such funds, smarten driven people driven well, oh like part time superheroes. Yeah. That's nice of you to say, thanks for taking the time to share a little of your personalities with all of us PS. I'm happy the pronunciation of La La. Lacroix. Doing wrong, Lacroix the cry. was worked out because that was a real doozy for me. Maybe. She's on the La- quad team a or. Roy It's supposed to be Lacroix I. Bet. She's on the Lacroix team because we had hard too much about it. She was probably. Would you rather great which you be I just love the people including these. Would you rather be loved by someone you don't love. Or love someone who doesn't love you back. Wow. That is intense. you rather be loved by someone you don't love. I mean, it's about whether or not you want to feel pain or to inflict pain right but it but inflicting pain as painful for me does it mean, would you rather be in a relationship like this or just have this person exist in the world? It is I've had both happened to me and they're both very because if you're not in a relationship and it's just someone out there who loves you and you don't love them ban I would prefer that. Yeah. Because it's selfishly a lot easier to cope. But if the question is I would imagine it's in relief you're in a relationship. You get out of it either way. You have to I mean both I think they're equally terrible but I guess I would rather. I guess I would rather Be Loved. And not Bath if I had to pick in relationship, it's tough but it's either ways I would too. It's horrible. Go I mean that's selfish I know. But I would rather that I suppose. It's really hard. Thanks, Julie. As tough. Even other. Would you rather there's another one. Oh, great over there is would you rather one more? Deep I don't WanNa get too deep. Would you rather lose the ability to read or lose the ability to speak? Out We've read or speak. Well, you know the problem with losing the reading is. You read a lot to get by in life that's just like traffic signs. Traveling would be raveling. It'd be tough. You'd have to be told you'd have to go with guides guess if you're travel anywhere but speaker just recognize even think about speech how often I mean I would I'd I would rather lose the ability to need to I'm also not a big enough reader. That wouldn't impact my life as much as other people. Maybe he would mean like I don't read three books a year. But speaking I mean that's I. Value Yeah I would. Sincerely Julie. Well, thank you. Julie. Those were. Those were heady and. Fun So. Thank you. Julie, and thank you for the Nice thing about us and about Maggie I know she'll appreciate it and I. Second your opinion. Yeah. So you think she can always be. She's always positive in bubbly. Yes always. All right. Well. So thanks to Julie and. To who sounds charming in her own right and speaking of charming. The one and only Roblo one of the best lows the highest of the lows everyone go listen to his new podcast. He great guests called. Literally you know what? I want to know more about his days the eighty tearing it up in the eighties with can Judd Nelson Fox I'm sure you'll get a really job. Yeah, and if you want to write in we love hearing from you guys and we love letters in would you rather is obviously our email addresses life is short at wondering dot Com. So thank you everyone writing in and listening, and now subscribing to Rob Lowe's podcast, and we'll talk to you next week. Could be a dream life. Good Tree. Life Short is hosted by me Justin Long. It is co hosted and produced by you Christian long as well as Megan Monica producer is Michelle. Lands Audio. 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