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The the latest job numbers declining foreign investment and worries about regional alien are raising fears that the future may not be so bright. And of course who knows if the grinch is lurking in the shadows because new Nafta's still has to be ratified by each country here to look at all of this. Is Our national affairs panel. Katie Simpson is a senior reporter with CBC News. She's been covering the Nafta talks and now the deal and we eastern Mexico City. Heather Scoffield is an economics columnist for the Toronto Star. She's in our Ottawa Studio and Kelly cried. Herman is a Calgary based reporter for the Globe and Mail who covers business and politics and she joins us from there. Hello to you all morning heather. Let's let's start with you. What are the positives? You see for Canada in this new trade agreement. It's a big relief. I think to you Well from from the business community point of view to just have some stability into know that there is something finally written on paper that yes it still has to go through ratification but it looks like ah you know all this. Everything's lined up for that to finally happen so you know for the last three years business every time you want to go and make an investment and every time you want to think where you're going to put your next dollar you've been you've been Surrounded by this uncertainty not knowing what's Donald Trump going to do next asked what he's what's he going to demand for his own economy What are the rules of the game and so you have second thoughts about investing in Canada and so this gives some kind of certainty in a very the very uncertain world? I mean there's all sorts of other things out there for sure but but this is this is one big piece that that is finally settled. Katie you are in Mexico City. What was the mood like among Canadian eighteen delegates at the signing ceremony? Mexico's National Palace. I think there's a sense that this is actually now in the final stretch and they can finally finally proceed with the domestic ratification process. And they're relieved. Everyone thought that this was going to be over about a year ago when they signed off on this does aries the sidelines of the G. Twenty people knew would be difficult with the changing political dynamic in the United States however now there seems to be a bigger sense sense of relief but one thing that I want to point out. That was really strange inside. The Room is when the Americans got up to speak at yesterday signing ceremony it was. US Trade Representative Robert Bert Lighthizer who spoke on behalf of the American delegation. And he was. It almost became uncomfortable the way he was gushing about the American or about out the Mexicans and and how the president was a historic figure and and how they put the best person possible in in this position to negotiate gate. This and they didn't let politics get in the way and the key to that is the Americans were so pleased to get the concessions out of Mexico. Soco's that they were able to get that ball blight heiser was just. He couldn't contain himself at the ceremony. Yesterday okay well we know. Then it's going to be a a big selling point for trump in Washington them but tell us what's in this agreement that allows the Canadian government to frame this as a win win win Kristof religious said well Christopher your freely in the Canadian government is trying to take credit for some of the changes that were added to this agreement and When Nafta negotiations originally began back in two thousand seventeen the the conservatives that actually criticized the Liberals for trying to put some things in there that were to progressive particularly around the environment? Well what do you know two years later when it's time for the Democrats to have a say in all of this in the United States That the environment would be a big deal. So the the changes that have been added to this agreement relate to environmental environmental and labor provisions and making sure particularly in Mexico. The Mexican companies live up to the Labor standards and they've they've sort of changed the onus here that if a company is believed to have been violating the standards and not meeting the standards that have been set out by this agreement. It's up to the company to prove that es in violation of the or it's up to that they are following the rules that are in place it reverses the onus and so there's a big push to make sure that inspections can be done in Mexican facilities to make sure again. There are those standards and make sure that there is the right to collective bargaining in Mexico. Things like that so the major changes are really targeting. are really targeting Mexico but there is one change that really stands out for Canada and that has to do with pharmaceutical drugs. Dogs the new Nafta the the one that was negotiated in two thousand eighteen that all three countries signed off on had this provision that large pharmaceutical companies could develop and be protected texted from generic companies taking their science to make generic drugs for ten years in Canada. The current law or the current rules are eight years so this would give those big pharmaceutical companies two more years to make those big profits and it would mean that the higher drug prices could be charged for an additional two years. Well the Democrats got that entire provision stripped out so it will remain status quo in Canada Kelly. Credit and Calgary what is the view from there is Canada's seen to lost in it in any ground in this agreement. Well I you know I think in For all the reasons that Heather in Katie of laid out there is is a sense of relief that there is any stability and any solid agreement that can really be relied on as as as Canadian companies look for investment as they look for some kind of stability. I think they're this does not put an end to what might happen out of the US. The Donald Trump administration. This does not put an end to the uncertainties there. the ratification process for this will take place in the US. Maybe a day after the impeachment impeachment vote so there there's still a lot of uncertainty. I think what is really interesting to me. Is What is interesting to Albertson's in a lot of respect to is the messaging that came from Christie a freeland on this of course. She emphasized at a in Mexico City yesterday that that this will this new Nafta after deal will require a seventy percent North American aluminum component. Of course that is focused at Quebec Major aluminum producer deuce her and that that was important. Because right away you had Block leader Mr Blanchette saying that. This deal isn't good enough for Quebec so I think the messaging on this back to Canada was really interesting because we have a government. A minority government needs to rely on the other parties. The other parties are going to be looking at the de details details of this deal and and really they will have an actual say in this unlike If if this agreement had come to fruition before The October vote that led to a minority government so I think the messaging back to the Conservatives to the block to the. MVP is really interesting in this case. Heather we we are. There are growing concerns about the health of the Canadian. Economy is this deal is signed. What what did the latest job numbers tell us? Well we had We've had a really great year in terms of job creation until last month. Where where where the where we had a major setback And you know every economist will say okay. Let's let's look past. It's the number you have to. You have to look over over time and not get too carried away about one month But you know there is. There is certainly a lot of concern. I think that the global economy is slowing down And that growth levels in Canada are just not what what we what we've become used to. They're not what they used to be an in and going forward. We won't be seeing a lot of strong growth so You know there. There is a fear that this one month will be a sign of things to come or or that or that. You know we're just heading into a period of of of slow growth and weakness. Generally that even if people are getting jobs they're not getting there. There's just not a lot of momentum. I mentioned in the economy so that our standard of living over time is is eroding. We'll jobs are one thing. Heather what what are other indicators that suggest the country could be heading for recession in two thousand twenty. Well I don't think You know nobody's crying recession yet in a serious way But we do have quite a few challenges on on on the horizon that that that suggests some some times I think investment is one of the one of the things that Quite a few people who are concerned about we had some ups and downs For sure but Especially in the patch. I think Kelly Kelly knows a lot about that but That they in the third quarter. We had some really Concerning serving investment numbers and and you know with all the uncertainty that we see globally That that looks to be a sign of things to come and Kellyanne hustle prized where you by the national numbers given unemployment in Alberta. I was surprised to see such a dramatic turn in the national numbers of course A A low ebb. Economy is something that elbruz been dealing with the last five years and there are a lot of striking numbers in the the statistics. Canada job report for November. Of course it's just one month it's a snapshot but we saw you know not only the Drop in job numbers nationally but in Alberta we we saw another increase in the unemployment rate another eighteen thousand jobs lawson and really strikingly a really high jump in the unemployment rate among young young men Under age twenty five basically in one in five young men in Alberta under the age of twenty five is unemployed right now according to the November numbers. And you know if that's not a political issue I don't know what is when you have young men without work and what was really striking to me. This week is Federal Finance Minister Bill. More no saying he doesn't He doesn't worry too much about recession. And I worry about that personally because we have in Canada in the global economy seen years of growth and anytime That cyclical process reaches this point. I think you know policy-makers he makers need to be very worried about recession about A lot of a lot of possible headwinds. So I just you know and the concern from Alberta's Verte whether The federal liberals are taking those economic concerns seriously of course Katie during the election campaign the liberals promised to deliver on on both climate action action and economic growth and. I'm wondering how much of the agenda hinges on bringing foreign investment back all that is certainly something that has been a challenge for the liberal government when it was when it had its majority mandate I think one thing that we're going to see a now that this the big chunk of the Nafta negotiations is sort of put to bed and Christopher Freeland freeland. Can you know get back to Canada. Take on this new role that she can sort of focus less on that candidate. US relationship and now focus on making sure that the concerns of of the prairies and the concerns parts of Canada that you know ended up you know the Liberals didn't win any seats in Alberta Saskatchewan and a big concern about that is has the economic climate and that's a big part of what is going on with the political result. We saw the twenty a nineteen election so now the Christa Freeland has has finished dealing with this abroad Justin Trudeau can lean on her. And we know that she's already started sort of an impromptu listening tour speaking with premier speaking with other Leaders to try and find find out ways that they can hear the concerns of the people that lives in those in those parts of the country and a big concern. There is investment in the economic climate. Speaking of Premieres Kelli Kelli. The Jason Kennedy was in Ottawa. Yesterday I met with the Prime Minister. Was He hoping to win from his meeting with Justin Trudeau. You know. I think most of all he was hoping to win attention for The the economic issues and The political issues that he's bringing up at a time where there is national focus focused on Alberta and Saskatchewan issues because of the the election results because the liberals were completely shut out of Alberta and catch one. There is attention on this and and and you know while while the federal government sees this as a pressing issue rather than you know international trade disputes. I think Mister sure Kenny is going to work that for all it's worth and you know the the things that he's asking for The headline items. Of course our you know guaranteed timeline for the completion. The Transmission Trans Mountain pipeline expansion A lift on the cap on the Fiscal Stabilization Fund which Jason Kenney very very politically has called a rebate on equalization even though it's not And he he is looking for some kind of wiggle room from the the federal government on Algirdas issues given the economic circumstances given that Alberta's economy has diverged so much from the national economy in the last five years. He's he's looking for some kind of he's looking for some kind of reset in the relationship. As you know Kristie of freeland takes over the the interprovincial file and I think you know while he's not going to get any kind of result this week there is going. I mean to be a push from Alberta for some kind of movement from Ottawa in the weeks and months ahead and and that will be watched very closely. Okay how do you think anything resulted from from that meeting. Yesterday that would allow Canada to claim progress. If not victories will. He didn't leave with any money in his pocket but I don't think he came with that in mind. I think he very successfully frame the conversation around Albertus demands but he so so he's he said what the conversation will be about over the next few months it's and You know and set the stakes out very clearly to to the population of Alberta. But it's also interesting. He stood down Actually early on on his demand to change See Forty eight NC sixty nine which he calls the new pipeline bills No more pipeline bills Those are those are the the bills that were passed last Towards the end of the the last parliament that that changed the way that the government oversees and Approves Natural Resource Development So so Jason. Kenney has has conceded publicly that okay the federal government is not going to change those. And he's he's he's changed how he's framed that conversation around approval of of natural resource development. So that's pretty pretty important and also you know by by focusing on the fiscal stabilization aspect of of transfer payments he's moved away from that equalization conversation as well which was A. I mean that was just an a nonstarter for for everybody involved. So you know there's been a bit of give and take and I think he. He's he's trying to convey a sense that he's leaving Ottawa with a bit of a warm and fuzzy feeling about the future conversations with auto with with the federal government but there has been a lot of movement I think on both sides here so far. How do you take down criminal network hidden in the shadows? Tell him that. I know that they're the ones who are running. The the largest child abuse website on the dark nets the journalists working to expose the darkest corners of the Internet. That's your playroom for. That's your baby's is close. That's my house. The police who hunt down online predators right the environment that they're using no we didn't we didn't make it. They made hunting moorhead ahead. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Katie I want to touch on another development yesterday. China hinted that the two Canadians who have been detained for a year. Michael Covert and Michael are detained in China. They could face trial. What could did this mean for the fate of them? Well it certainly. It's IT IT'S A. It's a significant development in this whole process. Remember these two men. These two Canadians have. I've been held in a detention centre with little information about what's going on no access to a lawyer and and really no certainty or no clarity about what's going on now there or a couple of scenarios here in some cases in China when things go to trial there have been situations where okay You know They can he moved through the legal process. And and and perhaps This China's justice system isn't like the Canadian justice system and things can sort of be dropped here and there as they go or or you. Can you can sort of look at it in another way. And that is another serious debt. Moving forward any sort of development involving the two michaels a massive concern for the government but China has made it abundantly clear. Nothing is going to change in the Canada China relationship. It is going to be difficult until the Canadians unless the Canadians released Mung Wong. Joe The wall way executive. She was arrested by Canadian. Authorities at the request of the Americans on an extradition request and and the Chinese have made aided directly abundantly clear until she is let go trying to pressure pressure pressure Ottawa. To make that happen The Canada China relationship is going to be difficult. Donald they of course in retaliation it's widely seen as retaliation. They arrested the two michaels Michael. Covert the former diplomat and Michael savage the former or he is an the An entrepreneur in China of course canola dispute China stopping purchasing large swath of Canadian canola and there was the the meat dispute and the only only reason that China had to relent on that is because China had a I believe it was a swine flu epidemic and they were running out of port and they just badly needed pork for the Chinese people for the Chinese people so they had to relent on not because anything's actually changed in the relationship but because they really had no choice so this situation is going to remain bad until there is some sort of development on the Mung Joe Front and Really Canada has dug in its ground saying we are a rule of law country. We are not going to just release this person because You are pressuring us. We're going to go through the legal channels. We are going to continue with this process. And so whatever is happening sitting over in China with the two michaels. It's always going to relate back to what's going on in Canada. We have about a minute left and that actually leads me into my next question. which is the government suffered? Its first defeat if you will yesterday. When the opposition parties passed a motion to set up a special committee to review all aspects of the candidate China relationship? What's at stake? There are two things going on there. One was minority government politics. I think the opposition parties You found something. They landed on something that they could agree on and wanted to flex their muscle and remind the government. Right away. That I in a nonthreatening way. And that you know this doesn't trigger an election or anything But by setting up this committee that they have the power to to do you know to to At least express themselves in this in this new configuration. But I think it's also reflective of the broader public that there's a restlessness in a great frustration in dealing with China. There's a you know a pressure to to find a solution and if there is no obvious solution it's so complicated But you know the Conservatives have been pushing for to be tougher on China The business community has been Over having meetings in in in China There's a restlessness of like. Please can we just be on this. Find a way to get out of this. So that we can increase our trade the trade the trade volumes back and forth forth with Canada and China or down quite a bit this year compared to last year. And I think you know where people are really starting to get You know they want to see some progress on that all right we will leave it there. Katie Simpson is a senior reporter with ABC News and in the New Year. She's taking up a new post in Washington. DC So we'll try to get to their global affairs Kennel Panel Katie. Thank you thanks have. This field is an economics columnist for the Toronto Star. She's an Ottawa and Kelly. Kreider man is a Calgary based reporter for the Globe and Mail. 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Aging Presidential candidates loom over VP debate
"The he smashed pretty much every billboard and streaming record that matters it has already been streamed more than a billion times. People still to this day point to this is the moment everything changed but whether you agree with those claims are not this podcast is it really about him either you're not an astute businessman or you're inherently racist when it comes to black music and his country this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcast. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Josh. Block. Just days after Donald Trump was admitted and then released from hospital infected with an illness that has taken the lives of more than two hundred thousand Americans Vice Presidential Picks Mike Pence and Comma Harris faced off in a debate the American people who had to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration, it is asking too much of the. Democracies on the ballot, the the American economy the American comeback is on the ballot. It's an old cliche that vice presidents are a heartbeat away from the presidency. But Donald Trump and Joe Biden there's the two oldest presidential candidates in US history. Late, last night CBC Washington correspondent Katie Simpson I spoke to break down this especially significant vice presidential debate this from Vernon. Hello Katie Hello So. I I think it's fair to say that that debate fell pretty different. I almost felt like it was A. An alternate universe than the one from last week between trump and Biden I mean how would you describe the tone of the debate tonight? Well none of the pundits came out of this debate describing it as a dumpster fire or an S. word show is something. It was a completely different tone calmer. There was less interrupting there was still some interrupting though. Susan's we'll get to that in a moment. There was some discussion of policy positions. We didn't really see that in presidential debate last week, but don't get me wrong. There was still plenty of dodging and people were relying both candidates were relying on talking points as well. At Times Mike Pence tried to appear respectful to Harris saying it's an honor to share the stage with her. We'll look I respect the fact the. forty-seven years in public life I respect your. Public Services will thank you and this was a very deliberate approach after trump took a bit of a hit in the polls following the combative tone he had last week, but it didn't. Yeah. But it didn't last one thing I want to point out is when he did interrupt Senator Harris she called him out on it and she would pause and she would say I am speaking says, this is And I WANNA ASK IF MR Vice President speaking I'm speaking if you don't mind letting me finish, we can have a conversation. Okay. Okay and those moments we'll be remembered particularly by many of the women watching who've been in situations where men talk over them. So that was something that she was clearly prepared for and tried to make the most of that moment. An even the optics of the debate were different in terms of the the the stage setup I mean the candidates are seated and they're sitting behind Lexi Guas. Yeah, and that is something that is obviously different from the last debate that Harris campaign the Harris team had asked for those plexiglass dividers because Vice President Mike Pence even though he'd been cleared by his doctors that it was fine for him to be there other is concerned because there is this raging outbreak of corona virus at the White House and a number of people connected to the trump campaign have also become sick become infected as well. So that is a concern. It also allows the Harris. Campaign to have some optics in their favor there because when Americans are looking at the debate stage, they're having a constant reminder of the crisis unfolding in front of them. They can't ignore it when they look at those plexiglass dividers. So I guess, it's not surprising that first topic that the candidates addressed in the debate was about the coronavirus pandemic and Kamala Harris, came out swinging on that issue. The American people have witnessed, what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country? And here are the facts. Two hundred ten thousand dead people in our country in just the last several months. Over. Seven million people who have contracted the disease. One in five businesses closed Mike. Pence, of course, is the head of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. He has been since late. February. How did he defended his administration's record on this? Well he tried to sort of attack the Biden. Harris ticket saying when he takes a look at what they're planning to do he says it's a lot like plagiarism and he said something to the effect of which was Joe. Biden knows a little bit about. Kamala Harris had some of her strongest moments of the night when she spoke about both the White House handling of the pandemic, as well as concerns around healthcare and concerns about what is going to happen to insurance in the United States based on the position of the trump administration. This means. That, there will be no more protections if they win for people with preexisting conditions, this means that over twenty million people will lose your coverage. She really went after the uncertainty that everyday Americans are facing as you didn't necessarily level her attacks about the crisis unfolding at the White House right now and and all of the chaos around all the people who are coming down with the illness she really try to relate to average voters families talking about the millions of Americans who are now waiting for food handouts at food banks because you know parents have lost their jobs. Their millions of people who are out of work right now, and there's so much uncertainty because of this pandemic and really tried to pivot to blame the trump administration. How calm were you when you were panicked about where you're going to get your next roll of toilet paper? How come were you when your kids were sent home from school and you didn't know when they could go back how do you think when your children's couldn't see your parents because you were afraid they could kill them now. Mike Pence in his defense of his handling of the pandemic. Remember he is the head of the coronavirus task force. He tried to take the way Kamala Harris attacked the administration and tried to say that she was attacking Americans themselves trying to say it's disrespectful to the people on the front lines but she was really going after the administration and the decisions it was making. She wasn't going after the actual people on the front lines. The way that Mike Pence tried to spin it president trump. The. American. People to make choices in the best interest of their health Joe Biden and Kamla Harris. Consistently talk about mandates. You also pointed a number of time to the fact that they closed the border to China early on. And and and that you know Biden didn't support that move. He said it was hysterically city. Hope. There was twice he said that the trump administration off CIA travel from China. That's not true. They did place restrictions on travel from China in January late January. However, tens of thousands of people still were able to get into the country This is something that is regularly fact checked here in Washington because it's a claim that Donald trump on a regular basis we heard Mike Pence repeat that as well. It's also of note that a number of corona virus cases the some of the early cases that came into New York they actually came in from Europe so when when Mike Pence, leans into that that is something that Donald Trump says on a regular basis and is not is not true. Obviously had his own knockouts that he was trying to. You know win against Harris and Biden and he repeatedly said that that Biden Harris White House would ban fracking and I was Kinda surprised at how much time that actually took that he kept coming back to this issue of fracking Senator Harris you're you're entitled to Your own opinion but you're not entitled to your. Own. Facts. You Yourself said on multiple occasions when you're running for president that you would ban FRAC, what was he trying to accomplish there? So the specific issue of fracking is really big in the state of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania is a key state that is really important in this election race right now, Joe Biden is leading in that state and early in the Democratic primary season a couple of candidates, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren had both said that they would support a ban on fracking and that was a big concern in Pennsylvania because there are hundreds of thousands of jobs related to that industry and those jobs could be killed. So that's why Mike Pence is really leading into that fracking issue, but also it speaks to his bigger goal of tonight he's trying to paint Kamala Harris as sort of the de facto leader of the. Radical. Left in the in the Democratic Party sort of the the quiet champion of the policies of Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Alexandra Cossio Cortez Ilhan Omar, the people that Donald Trump has sort of painted as socialists who are out to change dramatically the way of life bringing socialized medicine bringing a green new deal that will kill millions of American jobs. That was Mike. Pence's goal. Tonight that was his number one thing and he returned to that argument time and time again, you put your your radical environmental agenda ahead of American auto workers is probably why Newsweek magazine said that that Kamala Harris was the most liberal member of the United States Senate and twenty nine hundred more liberal than Bernie Sanders. More more liberal than any others, it will rally his base. It will be a sharable moment that they can put out there on social media that will pick up with Republicans and reinforce that trump base, but it's not necessarily going to go over. So well with Democrats Democrats don't necessarily look Comma Harris as as a champion of the Progressive Left not as progressive as Bernie Sanders are Elizabeth Warren. Another point that that pence brought up and really challenged Harris on was around the the Supreme Court nomination and pence asked if Abidin Harris ticket would what do you call pack? The courts basically add extra judges to try and change the ideological makeup of the court. You've refuse to answer the question Joe Biden has refused to answer the question. So I think the American people would really like to know what how Harris responded to that. Harris had a big dodge on that one. She absolutely would not answer that question and Mike Pence really nailed her down on that. Let's talk about. Non Answer Joe Biden gave an honest answer you. A straight answer. The big concern around this is, of course, that Donald Trump has already picked someone to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg Emmy Conan Barrett there is concern in democratic circles can big concern that she is going to help overturn some major progressive policy laws in the United States concern about access to abortion concern about gay rights and this is something Democrats are actively campaigning on saying that this is a deep concern. But if she is confirmed, it will slam the court in a sixty three favor and conservatives, and so is there an option to? Expand the court at another two seats. So they're still an uneven number of justices but pack the court with two more progressive voices. That is something that the Conservatives in the United States have floated saying, Hey, you know what you better vote for Donald Trump you like his supreme court nominee picks and you liked what they've done at the lower court level it unless you want more progressive voices on that bench you better vote for Donald Trump, and that's actually a very effective voting tactic motivation in the United States just want the record reflect she never answered the question. You married. Joe Bible answer but I think the American people know the thank you vice president. I don't know if it was then or at some point I have to say I got super distracted. When pence was talking and at one point a fly a really big fly landed on his head and it didn't move for like minutes and I saw actually just has been trending on twitter as well. I. Can't imagine that that trump like seeing that. Now. Trump is the president is someone who is very into optics and the the Biden campaign has already trying to seize on this. They put out a campaign ad. Saying, give us five dollars to help this campaign fly and it's a photo of Joe. Biden sitting holding a flyswatter so that already happening as it does in the world of campaigns and the rapid response from the war rooms that are out there trying to capitalize on those moments. But actually the fly flew on his headed really important moment of the debate when they were talking about I believe it was race and injustice in concerns about what's going on in the criminal justice system this presumption that you hear consistently. From Joe Biden Kamla. Harris. That America's systemically racist. As you'll Biden said that he believes that law enforcement has an implicit. Bias against minorities. Is is a great insult. The president of the United States took a debate stage in front of seventy million Americans and refused to condemn white supremacists much and. It wasn't like he didn't have a chance. He didn't do it, and then he doubled down and the fact that the fly is what everyone is talking about probably send a signal that. Perhaps, not that much has changed in terms of people's opinions when it comes to who they're going to be voting for. It's important to remember most people have already made up their minds about this election. There are very few undecided voters left at this point because the climate is so polarized. Mentioned in the introduction that these vice presidential debates feel particularly important because of the ages of these presidential candidates. They're serious questions also about the president's health right now even as he insists that he feels great but it does feel look at gives more weight to debate and to who these two vice presidential candidates are. You know this issue came up because of course, you know Donald Trump would be seventy four if he's sworn in for a second term Joe Biden would be in he would be seventy eight I believe it would be if he's sworn in wins and so these are two senior citizens. The president currently has corona virus and that is something that could have long-term consequences on his health, and so it is a legitimate question that people look at these two candidates because there is a larger chance. Then then in regular times that there could be an issue whether it's a temporary issue or some sort of permanent concern where they may have to step up and step into a role. Sooner. Than anyone would expect have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with President trump about safeguards are procedures. When it comes to the issue, we'll Susan thank you although I would like to go back. I can move on. I would like to go back tell me more about who Mike Pence is and what kind of president he might be. Mike Pence is one of the president's most enthusiastic. In both public and in private and what we've learned from actually what I've learned from talking with some sources who deal with the White House on a regular basis is that by being such an enthusiastic supporter of Donald trump no matter what the situation is he's actually been able to keep the president's ear at Times Donald Trump does listen to him and he really seeks to have that influence Mike. Pence is a former governor. He's actually a former broadcaster, former talk show host and what he's most known for is. When he was governor, is he well number one? He is a man of faith is deeply devoted to his religion and he is one of the strongest. Conservatives with the most power in the United States He said it on the stage. Tonight he is unapologetically pro-life couldn't be more proud to serve as vice president to President who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life he in public has fought against. same sex marriage, and that was actually something that brought him to national attention when he was the governor of Indiana and so he's sort of been cast by Democrats as someone who would take America a step back and raising concern that he would implement policies that could you know walk back some civil rights and equal rights and and that has been really a strong argument. The Democrats have tried to land against Mike Pence the president tapped him to be the leader of the coronavirus task force but again, there are some serious questions about how that really has gone given the two, hundred, ten, thousand, or debt. I'm Dr Hillary McBride. Let me take your microphone rarely go. Into My. Therapy, office. It's where my clients hurt he'll and ultimately thrive. 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I mean, she explicitly asked Kamala Harris whether she and and Joe Biden had had conversations about what would happen in the event that that she would have to take over the presidency and if not, and if you win the election next month, do you think you should how did Kamala? Harris. Respond to that she dodged that one as well and I went back and looked at the transcript to make sure I. Wasn't missing anything and she pivoted and talked about the day that Joe Biden gave her a call and offered her the role to say, Hey, you know what? Let's do this together and I think Joe has asked me to serve with him because he knows that we share. We share a purpose which is about lifting up the American people and so she really didn't go there but Democrats are looking at her as a potential future leader of this party a potential future. Democratic presidential nominee and it's going to be an interesting sort of path for Comma Harris because. The right wants to paint her as the leader of the radical left. She doesn't really satisfy many on the progressive left within the party who say she doesn't have positions that are strong enough on climate change she didn't do enough. For Justice Reform when she was the Attorney General in California and that she doesn't have a strong enough position on healthcare she originally did support Medicare for all, which is a big Bernie, Sanders platform campaign that he ran on wasn't successful, but it really resonated with a lot of people. She originally supported it and then pulled herself back and that was why some of her her when she was running for the nomination there had been so much sort of she couldn't seem to take a position on a number of key issues, kind of trying to straddle the the more centrist part of the party and the left, and it didn't wash with members of the Democratic Party and she was out before before Iowa. So the Democrats are gonNA, Remember that they're gonNA look at that, but they are rooting for her because at. This stage in the game whenever we traveled across the United States before the pandemic hit, we would go to a different campaigns for the different caucuses and different primary votes and the number. One thing we heard from people who are still trying to make up their minds of who they wanted to support on the Democratic Party, and this is of course, US Talking Democrats. They would have their pick and they said no matter what though doesn't matter who gets the nomination we will vote for them because they're basically voting vote donald trump out. Right. In that I guess at the end of the day with with everything that is going on even in these extraordinary times can of vice presidential pick like Comma Harris or Mike Pence. Really, move. Anybody's needle right now. It's it's really a big question. This this election is a referendum on Donald trump and really is a referendum on how Donald Trump has handled. The Pandemic Donald Trump has very active very enthusiastic supporters will they show up in the same numbers that they did in two thousand sixteen? That's the big question but I think the bigger question is Hillary Clinton did not energize voters the way that Barack Obama did. So and that was a big part of why she did not win in two thousand sixteen. They also need African American voters to get behind the party ticket because in two thousand, sixteen tens of thousands of African American voters did not show up and king key swing states for Hillary Clinton and that was another reason why she lost. So that is what the Democrats are trying to do the more enthusiastic. The overall outcome is in terms of overall turn out the more likely it is that the Democrats have a shot at winning this that is how Democrats look at this and have always looked at this. If the voter turnout is higher, the higher the chance they have to win. Katie thank you so much for being with. Any. With. The next presidential debate is slated. Take Place on October fifteenth though it's uncertain if it will actually happen Donald Trump says he intends to participate but Joe Biden says it should not go ahead if Donald trump still has cope nineteen. That's all for today. I'm Josh Block. Thanks for listening to from. For more CBC PODCASTS, Goto CBC DOT CA slash. PODCASTS.
Controversial candidates and big campaign promises
"The one Saturday morning in June nineteen ninety nine fifteen year old Shirley Menia on Devel- disappeared and never came home. No one has ever been charged with her murder but there was a suspect. Never our command Mike Him. I'm Michelle Shepherd this season on uncover. I don't recall whole making that com okay. That's fine if you don't recall it but I'm telling you. That's what you told him uncover Sherman available now wherever you get your podcast Sir this is a CBC podcast Hello Jamie so we're almost was one week now into the federal election campaign and a lot has happened. The liberal campaign bus hit their own plane. No one was hurt. It was more entertaining than anything else. We were waiting for our luggage to be loaded on board now. When that happened? Our bus pulled away and almost immediately we heard a loud scraping sound. Justin Trudeau was a no show to the first debate. It can all agree that Justin Trudeau is afraid of his record and that's why he's not here tonight. He is but today we're looking at two different topics the slate of candidates who have been dumped or remain despite despite controversial statements or posts on social media and the many many promises made to voters. CBS's Katie Simpson has been on the road covering the conservative team and and of course fashion Capello's Hosta power politics is here with me. This is front burner Katie. Hi Guys Hi Jane. Hi So happy to have you both here Katie. You've been on the campaign trail with conservatives since the campaign started. Tell me what it's been like well right now. I'M GONNA bus. You're going to probably hear a lot of noise of my colleagues. in the media getting on and off this bus and they're all joking saying they're not is loud as me which is mildly accurate so right now. The conservative media bus is on its way to Andrew Shears. Here's policy announcement right now he's in Cologne A. B. C. He's expected to make some sort of announcement related to affordability and that of course is part of his overall theme. The Conservatives are trying to make the argument to Canadians that you'll keep more money in your pocket. If you've over conservatives we saw that with the policy announcement yesterday or on a Sunday I've actually lost dark the days because all of the days of actually mashed together all blurring together just all mashed together and of course we're recording this on Monday morning so we haven't heard that announcement from Andrea Sherr yet but I know a little bit later in this conversation. We're GONNA talk about some of the ways that the Conservatives have already promised to make your life more affordable not to give spoiler alert that she I understand. You also haven't slept in a week. How are you doing. I'm fine. I'm good. It's gotTa pace myself yeah. It's like a marathon. I find it. If you have no life. It really helps near fine. Good just completely neglect your friends and family or just don't have many okay. Let's get moving here so candidates have been dropping like flies since the election began. This feels a lot to me like the hunger games just at the beginning when a bunch of people just get immediately eliminated. Let's go through some of them. So everyone has a sense of what we're dealing with Katie. Let's start with the conservative. Go go through a few of the examples with me. let's start with Cameron Ogilvy so Cameron Ogilvie is the one candidate who's been fired by the Conservatives he was running in the riding of Winnipeg big north and there were a number of social media posts discovered by press progress and when pressed progress went to the Conservative Party said. Hey have you seen these posts. They decided to kick him out out of the party. They actually put out a press release and they tried to sort of spin it as saying hey we're taking action fast. We're kicking this guy out. Why is Justin Trudeau when they're controversial comments about other other candidates in his party wise and taking action like that so they tried to spin it as an attack even though it is someone who passed their own vetting process who had comments it's on social media that were considered anti Islam and insensitive toward Muslims okay and and he was asked to resign by the Conservative Party because of this yeah they they fired of course let my let the Cannon Statement on that issue speak for itself. I have obviously made it clear that I won't have anything to do with that individual and as I said the other day we're gonna you see this from liberals from now until election day trying to do everything they can to distract okay so that's one. Let's do the conservative candidate for Mississauga Streets Ville so when in Andrew Scheer went to the Greater Toronto area liberal opposition researchers were pointing journalist to a number of previous articles won the National Post one in Vice News that had said Data Malik had tried to run for the provincial conservatives in two thousand eighteen in the Ontario election however the party did not give her the green light to run because yes you had all of this controversial postings on social media. It's mostly a sharing of content a lot of transphobic content things like videos from the rebel bowl talk about protections for LGBTQ students in Alberta and you know trying to spin it as well. This is an attack on girls as attack on students and and you know posting things like this transgender person regrets their transition and those kinds of comments those kinds of articles Andrew Scheer Shear has he has said if a candidate apologizes and takes ownership of their mistakes and promises to be supportive for all Canadians that he still willing to stand by candidate and that's what he's doing with Malik. I all I can tell you. Is that gotTa Malik has acknowledged that some of the comments that she had re tweeted were were insensitive and that she has is taking responsibility for that. I'm glad that she has okay and we're gonNA talk about Angie. shears response a little bit more in a minute but let's just do two more so the way this has been working as the Liberal Research Bureau has been compiling all of these old whether it's social media posts and then they've been giving the content to liberals to tweets what's out there for everyone to see and our panel is one of the targets that they took aim at because Andrew Scheer when he was in Brampton North how to campaign event where they were going to go door knocking together and and and have a rally at his campaign headquarters and so on that day the Liberals knew that was going to happen so they dropped that post online showing that back in two thousand ten Mr Khan I was a teenager at the time had called someone homophobic slur on social media and again Andrew Scheer said that his candidate has apologize taking ownership for his words and that he's going to stand by him there and eventually the strategy for the liberals dropping this information on the day that Andrew Scheer is going to campaign with these these candidates like it essentially so that they're forcing him to talk about that and get something else right yeah basically. They're just hoping that reporters ask. Mo more more of their questions on that then whatever under shear wants to be talking about. It's just a strategy designed to get the Conservatives off whatever message they hope to be getting across that day you know I want to talk about one more conservative candidate a star candidate who is also part of the story Justyna McCaffrey. Some people may know her as a pretty famous wedding dress designer. She's running for conservatives in Ottawa and the Liberals released a video over the weekend a McCaffrey pitching a reality show about herself and faith Goldie. See just you know myself. We go back a couple years now. First first time we met we clicked see I believe a little thing called the girl Mafia. If your heart smart pretty role on the right crowds I basically want become your for those who might need a refresher. Asher on who faith Goldie is she was fired from the rebel media after she appeared on the Neo Nazi podcast the daily stormer in the US. She's made very controversial comments about immigrants. It's she's been banned from facebook. Sheer says he wants nothing to do with her Katie. I know you were with Justyna McCaffrey over the weekend. How is she responding to this. So there are actually two posts. The liberals came forward with on Justyna McCaffrey. She also made some comments that people in Quebec and French Canadians took some deep offense is to and it had to do with her saying that Justin Trudeau seems to be preoccupied with the French and that my colleague from Radio Canada that I'm traveling with on this campaign as he pointed out that that's something that obviously would not go over very well so there was that video we reached out to the Party and they put out a statement on behalf of McCaffrey saying listen the video that you guys posted stood when we were trying to pitch a reality. TV Show is from twenty thirteen. There were some photos of them at service from two thousand seventeen that were put out there again by the liberal research team it gets into strange strange territory. Where can you be held accountable for being friends with someone you know before they really sort of shifted and turned it such strange French territory and I'm not quite sure what Canadians are going to think about that anyway we tried to. I tried to talk to Jesse McCaffrey and the first question was actually GonNa ask was about the French comments but at her own campaign event on Saturday in Ottawa she was hosting Andrew Scheer. It was like a little barbecue outside of her campaign headquarters. I'm I'm she introduced Andrew Scheer and then what Andrew Scheer finnish-speaking until questions she left the event and we we I'm not GONNA lie. We expected her to leave the event because she's she's in an uncomfortable situation and there's a chance that candidate sometimes don't answer questions but when I went with a camera I'm working with the pool team here. We went to go talk to her and then she would not suffer questions custom who just has really quickly got into a car and sped off and anytime. There's an yeah anytime. There's an image of that it's never good because this is someone who wants to be the voice of their community and represent constituents and when you speed off from the situation. I it looks bad and and not to make light of this situation but you know for those listening. You might wanna Google that video it is it is quite entertaining to it's something vastly. Of course I like. The Conservatives are not the only party who have found themselves in hot water here. Let's talk about the Liberals. Eight is qualified candidate actually before the campaign started has seen Enga- yes and and I just wanted to quickly jump in and what Katie was saying because on the issue of you know it's one thing to have people who said things specifically. It's it's almost a different to look at who they're hanging out with and and what that constitutes the Conservatives right away were saying well. Hey Justin Trudeau's been hanging out with some shady people too and they pointed right away to that a picture of Justin Trudeau with Joshua Boyle right who you remember with someone who was in Afghanistan. He's now charged with domestic abuse among other things so the the argument goes both ways right an and and like Katie said I can anticipate that that's going to be a little bit of a grey zone in this election as far as candidates for other parties go. There's Hassan guy you mentioned. This is someone who is disqualified prior to the start start of the campaign he had made a number of anti Semitic comments on social media which were unearthed by Bennie breath name breath says and he says also the liberals new you of this at the beginning of August and they were actually he's he claims working with him on a PR strategy beneath breath then a few weeks later actually sent all that information to the media and end very shortly thereafter I think within I think Senate in the morning and by a few minutes before our show went to air at five o'clock at night the Liberals had disqualified him as a candidate. He insists that they had no intention of doing that. Prior to the media getting hold of Mr Trudeau has been asked some questions about that they won't confirm or deny whether they were working on that kind of strategy or anything they just said once. They knew you of the comments he was immediately disqualified. We will not accept a candidate that has intolerant or unacceptable anti Semitic remarks and that's why we we asked this candidate to step down. I just also want to note His end gay has responded on social media by saying there's more to the story quote this. This is not the whole truth. It's not the end he has also addressed the controversy by saying he's not any Semitic and campaigns against all forms of racism We've also got the new Democrats. They have dumped dumped. One candidate over domestic abuse allegations also another over quote problematic social media engagement. This is Doc Korea candidate running in the interior. BC Yes essentially. He admitted that he made comments against pro pipeline activists. I guess you could call them and both of those candidates I believe actually ended up withdrawing themselves or they were also asked to resigned. The Green Party is disqualified Eric Showman because of social media posts that talked about sending pig meat to Muslims Sofer anti-islam comments hence he was disqualified. They're also dealing with a number of other. They're not the only party to to stay away from disqualifying everyone. They're dealing with a couple other candidates. One primarily who has spoken can out in the past about holding pro-life beliefs and very ardently as specifically through the campaign for life coalition in which he filled out a questionnaire. He's apparently being re vetted and then of course they've got the whole issue around pure non tell their star candidate in Quebec in what he said about being a separatist and how it jives are. There's a lot of people you know asking them to reconsider for his candidacy as well. I I guess there are obvious questions. Pop Up here about whether or not these parties are vetting these candidates properly in the first place. I guess not I you know as as you just talked about the Greens liberals and new Democrats have all gotten rid of candidates. The Conservatives have gotten rid of one candidate but you injure sheer. He also explained himself over the weekend at a press conference he held in the Isle of his plane and he essentially said that he would still stand behind candidates as past behavior as long as they apologize apologize. I think we all have to acknowledge the fact that people can make mistakes and people can although she went on to say that it would depend on the contacts and Katie. Can you tell me more about that that press conference and and what she said Willie was certainly unusual because Andrew shirty held a news conference earlier that day that event had kind of gone sideways because that was the day that Justyna McCaffrey Cavalry had bolted from reporters so I suspect that the the war room saw okay there's an issue here and they were heading to BC and they had a major policy announcement the next day and when you have a major policy announcement you don't WanNa be bogged down in questions about you know something that went wrong the day before so it appears a decision was made a strategic nick decision was made that Andrew Scheer was going to go to the back of the plane. He stood into questions until reporters ran out of questions. It was a twenty two minute scrum where we asked multiple. I think I got like five or six questions in there. So there was no sort of shying away from you know the questions. He knew he was going to get some tough questions and you know he was asked. Ask Okay. What are you GonNa do about this and he said that you know if a candidate. He thinks that Canadians understand that people make mistakes that in the past you know if you make a comment that you know in two one thousand nine hundred you wouldn't make if you apologize for it. If you recognize that it was insensitive and you commit to you know supporting all Canadian people and and not be discriminatory discriminatory moving forward own your mistakes that Andrew Scheer and the Conservative Party will be willing to stand by you know. It's not a blanket policy. It's not for everyone. It's GonNa decisions are going to be made on a case-by-case by case basis just sort of trying to get that out of the way. Get that dealt with move forward right you know I I am interested in hearing both of your perspectives on this dossier. I'll start with you because when I was listening to shear talk during this press conference. I wondered if this was a strategy onto itself right I think that what's important is I mean the reason that he sort of drew some backlash for that comments was because it appeared even though he did say in Katie's right that there was context dependent. It's still it's still sort of seemed like he was saying saying you know writ large. My baseline is if you apologize. If you show that you've moved on then I'm okay with that and I think that it I think for a lot of people that has to be more nuanced like it depends on the candidate depends on the content of what they said because surely you know extensive homophobic or racist comments over a period that was just a year ago. Let's say is not the same as one tweet that you sent ten years ago right. We're talking about our pod hard Canada that example yes. I think it also depends on the apology like the candidate that Katie referred to Mississauga her. I I looked yesterday all all over for the the the apology and it was kind of like one statement that acknowledged that some of her re tweets were inappropriate and she regrets she regrets that but it wasn't specifically the acknowledging the total substance of what she had tweeted her what she had said on social media before whereas that other apology was I've. I really recognize how wrong this was was. I've really changed in this way like it depends how you apologize. How you apologize for it depends what you said. It depends how long ago what so I think that's why I ah drew the reaction it would at the same time I would point at the Jagmeet Singh said the exact same thing. He said that he'll judge any potential incidents on a case by case basis but he believes that people can change just someone apologizes and commits to changes he would keep them people can grow he said that's how you build a better world so we've dealt with some problem candidates. Although I think we could talk about it for the next hour. Bu- We got him we gotta move on There was still a lot of other things that happened this week and when you and I spoke the other week you said one of the big things to look out for come. Election season were come. The election call is all the promises so in that vein let's go through some of the most recent ones and just a note to say this is definitely not all of them but Katya the Conservatives have announced a universal tax cut and how substantial is it it is it's one of the bigger policy planks that we that we've seen so far in the entire campaign and this is going to be one of the the real big ones that Andrew shares going to talk about as much as he can and I and what it is. It's lowering the tax rate on income under about forty seven thousand dollars from fifteen percent to thirteen point seven five over the next four years more disposable income for voters less revenue for Ottawa eventually amounting to a loss of about six billion dollars. A year says the parliamentary budget officer interferes arguing that for a single individual they'll save about four hundred and forty dollars on their taxes. If you're an average two income earning couple it'll be a savings of about eight hundred Jordan fifty dollars per year and fatty what are experts saying about this tax cut well. It depends on who you ask. There's there's different analysis. Katie said the question is really the the sort of tested that will be held against as the claim that the that the that the Conservatives are making that will most benefit those in the lower income tax bracket because I've seen various economists on twitter sort of point at that it as your income grows you might benefit more from it and this is always with every with every tax cut whether it be this proposed one or ones that have already come in. There's a lot of scrutiny over who ends up benefiting the most and if tax cuts even work for for those in the middle class and there's also a lot of scrutiny and there should be a lot of scrutiny about the whole that it leaves in the Federal Government's coffers right. You're foregoing billions of dollars in revenue fixed billion. Yes six billion. So where do you does that mean that you have to cut spending in order to aggregate your position or does that mean that you'll raise revenue through another means and if so what is it and those are definitely questions at the Conservatives we will be getting persistently gently with Kat or credit anything that ends up costing the coffers money okay. Let's do the Liberals. They made two big promises this week. You know both seem very targeted orbited millennial voters the first is the elimination of the swipe fee so this feat that merchants have to pay when you are. I swipe our credit cards and the second is committing to expansion of the first time homebuyers incentive owning a house should be a realistic life goal. It's where you sit down roots where you raise a family. Where are you grow old but young people hoping to buy their first home just like their parents did a generation ago are facing tough housing mark basically they're saying that the government we'll chip in on a certain percentage of money up to ten percent to help you get to that down payment but then they own like up to ten percent of your house when you sell that house. They you get ten percent although to be fair. The price of your home goes down you know they they lose money. They make it if it goes up though yeah they do they do we. We all hope our homes do and doing everything we can even by one value thoughts on this announcement that is truly emblematic. I think of what we will be and what we have been hearing from the Liberals which is we've you know. The argument that we as liberals have created this baseline of proposals that have major lives. Let's just say I'm picking a number twenty percent better her and if you vote for us we're going to expand on those to make it thirty percent better so this is a prime example of that right. That's why they keep saying choose forward. It's helping you afford a house in markets where the prices astronomical and nobody essentially can buy a house so what you pointed out though is key that you get the loan and then when you have to pay it back when you sell your house if they loan you ten percent of your what you ended up putting down then you have to pay that back ten percent of the equity of the house when you sell it if your host has gone up by a lot of money that means that you're going to give the government more money however it's interest free and it helps you make that purchase in the first place so that's definitely targeted at ah those millennial voters in big urban centers and meant to appeal to them. Let's move onto the MVP chugged saying is making some interesting announcement. He's he's made some promises to Quebec including the expansion of language laws and as we talked about last week with you and eric the MVP is flailing in Quebec so that makes sense that these promises are coming but he's also talked about a price cap on smartphone Internet services and actually I want to talk to you about this today as well as someone who hates to pay their so so what is the end ep signaling here this again talk just talking more strategically is what you talked about with Quebec and this is essentially defines the MVP in this federal campaign so they're looking for people who are having a a hard time with cost of living and just like the Conservatives are but in a different way their messages. We have your back. There is some debate about I mean. The industry says it's just GONNA drive up our costs. You'll end up paying more but the MVP obviously contends that that it would have the opposite effect where Quebec is concerned. That's also I mean that is so key she as we've talked about many times to their electoral fortunes. There's a strong appeal to quote unquote the unique identity of Quebec those awards at Jagmeet Singh said when he was unveiling his platform a lot of very interesting proposals there you mentioned the language laws also basically a veto over infrastructure projects that go through that province more money for immigration integration a lot of messages. They're meant to appeal to the Quebec based that they used to have. I wonder how it plays out in the rest of the country that is to be seen all right. Let's end today with the Green Party who unveiled their platform and and valley top level Coles notes. What are we hearing from. Elizabeth May's camp right now a couple of things that I would point out first of all. We don't know how much it's all going to cost because apparently the parliamentary budget officer is combing through the numbers and they I think Elizabeth May said within the week least the costing costing is a big issue again because of the narrative that the end EP is is trying to get out about the Green party which is that they're conservatives on bicycle. The green also promised that they will balance the budget within five years. That's how they were certainly planning it at least at the outset. I'll be interested to see how on earth that's possible because there are a lot of expensive things that Miss May and the party are promising the other sort sort of yeah steph like universal basic income free tuition. Yeah that's not cheap series expensive yeah and you know what this is something that we will absolutely be talking about in future pods with you for sure. I'm super interested to see how I am just fascinated to see how they end up costing that out and still look towards balancing the budget perfect okay and so before before we go just on one last note most entertaining thing. You both have seen this week. Is it the liberal campaign bus hitting his own plane. I don't know the most entered into a moment. That's tough on pretty much anything that involves Katie. She's just about she so entertaining I love watching everything she done. Yeah and the plane was pretty funny too. It was it was pretty funny and again. I will point everyone to clip of Katie chasing McCaffrey's car at a parking harness. I I forgot that happened. I know that happened like twenty four hours ago. I completely forgot that was that was the thing that was entertaining. I would say that. I don't know there's so much happening. You're just forgetting getting the avenue slow. Thank you so much. This was a pleasure. Thanks Jamie all right so after rashy. Katie and I spoke some news from the debates commissioner. Maxime Bernier of the People's Party of Canada has now l. been invited to participate in the leaders debates. The debates commissioner said he was doing this because quote based on our further evaluation. I'm satisfied that more than one candidate endorsed by the party has a reasonable chance to be elected. That's all for today. I'm Jamie. Thanks so much for listening to front burner and see you all tomorrow for more C._B._C. podcasts go to C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.
October 1: Death's door
"This is a CBC podcast hello. I'm Carol off hello. I'm Karen Gordon this as it happens the podcast edition in tonight's dead that store. She said she fatally shot her black neighbor because she thought he was in her apartment but she was in his and today that former. Dallas Louis Police officer was found guilty of murder over due Diligence University of Toronto students say new safety barriers and building were two students recently killed themselves are too little too late and that the focus should be on mental health rather than physical acts of generosity. Andrew Scheer says he'll cut twenty five percent of Canada's foreign aid budget. If he's elected we checked the math with the Conservatives Foreign Affairs Minister in waiting number one with a bullet for the first first time in months of pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong a police officer fired live ammunition and an eighteen year old demonstrator leaving him in serious condition the areas of expertise the late great Jessye Norman used her voice to command stage and to open doors as we'll hear from one of the many young black opera singers who followed in her footsteps and junk shop a pet store in Saint John's is still hoping for the safe return of stolen merchandise after interest thieves made off with a fortune in pills which are dog treats we chart dried bulls penises as it happens the Tuesday edition radio that guests is it's an exclusive club of criminals members. Only last year. A Dallas police officer walked into the home of both John and shot him dead and in court today that officer officer Ambra Geiger faced a jury and judge to learn her fate. The jury having reached a verdict misguide in your team. Would you please stay we the jury unanimously find the defendant Amber Geiger guilty of murder as charged in the indictment no outburst it signed by the presiding juror who is juror number eleven. You may be seated misguided. There's Geiger had argued that the shooting was a tragic mistake. She said she went into Mr Jones apartment by mistake thinking it was her own and that she thought Mr John was a burglar cler. After the guilty verdict Dallas Activists Dominique Alexander spoke to reporters outside the courtroom. Here's part of what he had to say. I don't want to assume that AH speak on the behalf with his family but as a community leader who have been fighting continuously towards police corruption in in Dallas I know speak for our community who has labor who has set incarcerated who has marched the streets who have sacrificed so much for this man to nine to who all of the people who are here. I want to say thank you because of your sacrifice. This family is able to see some form of Justice in Dallas Dallas Texas. Where many people at large in the community felt like it was hopeless cause? I'm so grateful to God that we see a guilty verdict but the work is not doing your job because one of the things that we saw in this trough with Amber Geiger Tiger is that was the only thing that stood trial it was the Dallas Police Department. We saw corruption loud and clear we saw the failures of the police department we saw the failures of lack of policies lack of accountability to the highest level. I thought at this time that we would be walking into DVD here. Quarter balance a complaint against the Dallas Police Association President Michael Motto but we got something so great that was Activists Dominique Alexander Speaking in Dallas after a white former police officer was found guilty of murdering a black man in his home last year Darrell. K Washington is a lawyer for the family of both imagine. We reached him in Dallas this to Washington. What was it like for. Mr Jones family to hear this guilty verdict. Today are what's with a amazing relief happy if guilty verdict Ray because you know as you know often in this country police officers have this huge. Hugh Taylor about their heads so to get a guilty verdict against offer some Mitha full night to this thing and you employ there's also that she was a white the police officer and the victim Mr John was black exactly so this week's to the great job that this jury did can you describe describe how people in the courtroom reacted when that verdict was read out very excited again. people people are under the belief that you know. No one was going to give this family a fair opportunity. Was it fairly emotional in the courtroom today when this verdict was read extremely emotional and this is still very emotional I mean it hasn't sunk in yet and as you know we're about to go to the sentencing phase face so we we we've gone over the first hurdle so we understand now that we have another hurdle to cross. We're talking about the case where the woman Amber Geiger. She said that her defense was that it was a series of mistakes that led to this tragedy that she he was just in the wrong apartment. She got into the wrong place thinking. It was her place stinks. She's seeing an intruder and shot him. Do you have any sympathy for that story. Absolutely none at all this train police officers they talked about how confusing this apartment conflict is. is this apartment complex was just that confuses and we know that she had she should've been looking to make sure that she was in the proper departments so that excuse that she gave it was just not acceptable. She also talks about that. She heard Nour's outside the door before she actually went in We know that the training officers versus are taught to cover and conceal and she didn't do any of that so there was no reason for Bolton to have losses like the defense also argued that take the shooting whether it was wrong or right. It was in self defense. She thought she was just defending herself. What did you argue to refute that. There was absolutely no testimony there that both did anything threatening She didn't say that both important anything at her we know now that both impasse shorts on that didn't have pockets so she couldn't say that he was reading cocktails and she thought he had done none of that she just simply say that both Walk Torture and and that was it she didn't say anything threatening so that there was just no justification they use APPS defense unfortunate. I'M GONNA have to get off the phone right now. We're about to go in right now for the Sir all right. We'll talk to you later. Thank you thank you Gerald. Washington is a lawyer for the family of both of them John who was murdered in his home last year by a Dallas police police officer as of airtime court is still deliberating on the sentence for the officer Amber Geiger Andrew Scheer says that if elected he he would cut Canada's foreign aid spending by quarter an event in Toronto. The Conservative leader said he could save one point five billion dollars by cutting off funding that he says it's going to quote middle and upper income country as well as hostile regimes unquote. This is a very clear choice to selection between Justin Trudeau's record on foreign foreign policy and and Canadians now can see the choice between spending more of their hard earned tax dollars to countries that rank relatively high on the development connects countries like Italy like Brazil like Turkey and hostile governments like Iran. Justin Trudeau has made his choice. I have made my choice. We'll redirect that money here here at home to help Canadians get ahead. Canada is currently in a campaign for a seat on the United Nations Security Council. What impact do you see as substantial cut in the foreign assistance budget having on Canada's bid well Canada's our allies around the world no our capabilities when it comes to pulling our weight on the world stage and the commitment that we've made in many conflicts over the past hundred and fifty plus years so I'm confident that our allies will see that but it's more important to me that I helped Canadians get ahead then curry favour at the United Nations I am more are interested in making sure that hardworking families get ahead that they have more in their pockets that they're able to provide for their families raise their children and achieve their goals. That is our priority. That is our focus that was conservative leader Andrew Scheer in Toronto this morning. Erin O'Toole is the conservative candidate in the Ontario riding of Durham. We reached him in Bowmanville Ontario. Mr Oh tool why would andrew share want to make Canada at twenty five percent less generous than it is today while I think it's about balancing choices where repurposing purposing some of our foreign aid to focus it at developing countries not countries in the moderate to high level develop index. We're taking it away from some hostile regimes where there's still some small amounts of money being spent but I think we're also looking at these are difficult times. There's seniors. There's families living with disability. There's a range range of things that we want to fund and making tough choices sometimes part of government so we are drawing down the amount that's going out going down to levels that would be a similar to what was in the early two thousands but I think the exercise people will see is the development money will be focused where it's really needed most and not to some countries increase. I think a lot of Canadians would find probably don't need development assistance from Canada right so you see one point five billion going to be taken out from countries What countries are you talking about. Where where would you get that money well. We've got the Development Index scale that the United Nations use itself so countries as was mentioned in countries like Brazil Italy Argentina will no longer receive a there was even some unusual I like Italy and some others so we're taking it out of that envelope and we'll probably be providing more to some countries in sub Saharan Africa in other places that are lower development index scale and we are making an overall reduction in the budget because we are prioritizing on a few domestic areas where we feel attentions needed. We're hearing loud and clear from Canadian they do that. There was a number of acute needs that need to be funded. Okay I just wanted to the countries. You named as being the places. I'm sure there's more but but Israeli okay two million dollars in Italy you mentioned Iran two point five million tricky four point five Brazil four point three million early in Argentina two point two million and we're just looking at this handy dashboard that the Government Plaza on its website and tells you these amounts so Venezuela as well at one point six. I just not seeing how this adds up to one point five billion dollars though well. It's first off philosophical change. I think this should have been done years ago. Carol where you actually use the Development Index that U. N. confirms each year and we're using the point six measure as the inflection point. Where are you go from a low development score to a moderate to high so using that it's a boat. Sarah's countries that are moderate to to highly developed will not qualify Canadian eight and seven hundred million dollars budget is being reallocated countries on the lower end of the scale and we are reducing the overall budget okay okay. I appreciate that so but you didn't announce philosophy today you announce an amount of money percentage. We're very specific about that. It is important. Isn't it so one point. Five billion dollars is coming out of the foreign aid budget and going into the pockets of Canadians. I'm trying to figure out where that money comes from because even if you do your index I mean you have to go well into Africa before. You're going to be able to get one point five billion dollars. You'RE GONNA have to cut into some programs. I would imagine some countries. They're very dependent on our aid. So how how do you get the one point five billion the one point five billion there will be a reduction and then of the remaining amount a development aid assistance budget countries that are ranking above that point six level on the scale will be phased out and countries. He's that are on the lower end of the scale may receive or from existing funds in the Avalon so it is a reduction curl on one side and then there's a reallocation location based on really on need for the remaining funds so when that is all taken in total that's where where the overall number comes from and it'll really be countries that in the future will not be receiving specific eight. We're actually not ending. Grant programs not changing fun funding organizations that are operating in specific countries provided that country is on the below point six level. They will will still receive all of their funding with the partner organizations in many cases in some cases. They'll see more right. I will stay on this forbid because one point five billion dollars going into the pockets of Canadians radiance from that pot of money that goes out to to other countries and you say countries not programs. Is there actually countries. The countries you you've mentioned small small change compared to that. I just even the seven hundred million. That's reallocated from the remaining four point five billion right. That's not another the one point five billion. Is it coming back to Canada or is that being seven hundred million of that being reallocated. The allocation comes from what's remaining. You're right five all right so we still have that one point five billion that I don't know where you get that from because the countries you mentioned the biggest recipients of our aide include countries like Haiti. I'm sure you don't WanNa take eighties money away. Afghanistan where we have people who have we've we've lost lives in Afghanistan and we want to help those people to two hundred fifty four million dollars. We spent so I just I'm trying to add up for you here from what you said what gets get two to one point. Five billion still find it. Why I'm glad we're going through this. Canadians will appreciate an approach that actually says where are the countries that in fact Haiti and and and Afghanistan from what I understand we'll still both qualify and actually potentially go up because of how they're assessed on the development index her other programs like some infrastructure investments made through China Asia Infrastructure Bank that will also be eliminated so I think there's not only a new approach on how countries are being selected. There is an overall drop in the budget just so just to be clear. I'm sorry to be dense about at this point. I'm trying to make sense of it. So is it possible then it's going to have to be that countries that this the Human Development Index pointing to which is you're going to be. That's your benchmark for who who who we should be giving aid to. Are you going to have to go below that index in order to come up with your one point five billion dollars. We didn't really get one point five billion dollars entirely from these countries you in the middle and upper income our our review so that we can get it. There are some specific envelopes within Global Affairs Canada and the development side Carol that we don't have specific detail on because we can't as an opposition party. Get that type of granular data. We're we're using the point six measure as the the goal post and you know countries above that I think a lot of canoes would be surprised even small amounts going into countries like Italy Brazil Russia may be small amounts but in recent years the bric countries people have been seeing tremendous growth in some of these countries they wondering the candidates spending development eight there so this is going to be. I think an exercise that probably should have been done years ago using the US don't scale I to assess what countries are at greatest need. We will leave it there. Mr O'Toole. Thank you thank you Erin. Tool is a conservative candidate. We reached him in Bowmanville Ville Antero on facebook. The Saint John's store pet zone has posted grainy photographs of the suspect. The caption reads quote. Do you know these people we have video surveillance silence of them grabbing as many penises they can and taking off yes the subjects suspects rather just strolled into pet zone and grabbed handful after handful handful of penises to be more specific. The hydrated dehydrated bull. Penis is also known as pills. Mark Windsor is the owner of pet zone in Saint John's. We reached him there mark before we get to the theft if we can just clear something up. Why does your pet store South penises well. It's a popular item and I guess it's because it's just the bill and and they don't charge they don't chip is just easier for a dog to chew one. You know years ago. It was the old I don't know if everyone remembers but zeal rod you know they bleached white and brown rawhide which made it much more difficult to judge us you know and the taste and not to sound a grocer nothing in but the taste is is much more flavor flavorful four dog we did it tastes like I never tried one never tried one but they are popular and dogs do love him. Okay now. Just I'm looking at a picture They're big aren't they. I mean at least they're long it. Can what do you want to describe these things. Well you know like they do come. In different sizes you know and they do that for marketing and also they do is because of the size size of the animal. I guess you know you choose the size for for your liking and see the bulls do come in different sizes right. I guess I guess their penises due to well. You know what they actually do. It is it is a bull penis so what they do is they actually take it and they dehydrate us so like any of the animal they don't waste nothing you know airs ears to get the nasal like the nose and you can get the kneecaps and you can also get like their their nails. There's manufacturers that by a lot of this up and they sell it to stores like my own. Let's get to what happened at your pets and pet zone your store yes. When did you realize that you who had been robbed. It was just Saturday passed around five. PM and we got a call. We're still mind boggled until this until this day I mean we're still mind boggling because it's it's funny because when you know it was a it was a it was a man and a woman that you know done the theft and they took handfuls. I mean we do have surveillance so you can see them. Take the handfuls of well fizzles slash penis and they tried to put up their shirt or you know wherever they tried tried to put it but they took so much of it in their hands. They just walked out like owes. A normal shopping day pill of course is the name that they they take your call them penises and the stores but so they were selling these things these these bull penises into their close up into their clothes. Yeah that's correct and how how many did they walk out with day walked out with hundreds of dollars worth believe it or not because how it goes with the puzzle is the longer you you know the longer you you buy one well well. If the more cost and you know the shorter well it doesn't cost as much people like the long ones is all based on preference with the size dog then you know if you have the big dog will go with the longer one so again what happens with the Pixel is whereas dehydrated you know the animal starts from the tip and then they just keep on chewing down Toko. There's nothing left. Let's longest pithily you've had about four feet long good heavens from four feet to four inches and so this works that thing until it's gone and again this is is much more safe again. You don't have to worry about any splintering. It doesn't cause any blockages. So how do you think that thieves could unload stolen bowl penises. You know like so many things came to my mind and maybe they were. GonNa Resell them somewhere. The black market did cross my mind unless the couple really really love their animals okay stealing them for their for their pets okay. There's that's possibility but now what's the value. Is Your dollar amount you can put these is on three foot one about twenty four dollars for a three foot one okay. So what do you think the street value of the bull penises the street value. You probably get fifty dollars. Each maybe more fizzle is a very high and again. It's the market because they're so popular. It's the market. I guess that drives them up because they're during high demand when the when the thieves left with their pills from our location here here in Saint John's and they actually went afterwards. They went to our sister store. Believe it or not right after more pills. We don't know we went through to balance and what had happened. Was that our store right away. We got a call or a supervisor. Here was just under radar to look to see. What's you know just to make sure everything's everything's up all right in the store and Sh- when she went up to the store she noticed that that these are in our other store. I do think you you you might in future have to get at some kind of a case lockup your fizzle so they don't get stolen. Well you know It's funny. you know not to sound crude on the phone own but you know people like to see things and people like the touch. You know that's the way that's the way it is. You know and you know always like when people go and they go to grocery store. You know people like to to look at their fruits and when people come into our store you know they. They like to look at all these different types of parts that we sell well. You know to lock them up. You know something that I wouldn't agree with mark. I I hope you find out to this sounds like this crazy thing. There are people stealing feeling these things but well. Maybe the police will figure it out. I hope so okay mark. Thanks thanks so much bye. Thank you mark. Windsor is the owner of pet zone in Saint John's. We reached him there to see what dehydrated bull penises or pistols look like good website. CBC DOT CA slash lash the I h in two thousand Sixteen Forbes magazine estimated the Jerry Seinfeld's net worth was about six six hundred seventy million dollars a good chunk of which came from a Netflix deal including the rights to the program Comedians in cars getting coffee in case. You're unfamiliar. The show what happens is comedians getting cars and then get coffee. You probably got the title which sketches out the promise just five words less than half the words required choir to say the title of another show too stupid guys in a stupid car driving stupid town that show was never made but it's the one Christian Charles pitched to Jerry Seinfeld back in two thousand and two the two have been working together and Mr Charles Filter show in which Mr Seinfeld went on a road trip with a friend could work. Mr Seinfeld agreed lead by two thousand eleven it had morphed into Comedians in cars getting coffee which Christian Charles worked on until the two men had a falling out over how much credit it and money he would get for his role in the show. He sued claiming the comedian had stolen his idea but yesterday that lawsuit was dismissed because Mr Charles Charles waited too long to make his case also because he'd accepted just over one hundred thousand bucks for Mr Seinfeld while working for him which meant he'd forfeited his claim to more for now. Look just because Jerry Seinfeld is worth nearly a billion dollars doesn't mean he has to just have everyone fistfuls of dough but I mean he uses a different one of his own cars ars in every episode each one of which is worth more than Christian Charles got paid for his work but when you team up with a guy with several dozen expensive sports cars well them's the breaks university the city of Toronto President. Mark Gertler says he wishes the school at setup safety barriers in a campus building sooner the university is doing so now in the wake of a student in death on Friday in the Center for Information Technology students in a union representing universities staff are calling the death a suicide three other students students have taken their own lives on campus in the last eighteen months including to kill themselves in the ban center. Alex four gay is a third year geography student at the University of Toronto. Who Lost Frente suicide on campus earlier this year we reached him in Toronto. Alexan- must be very difficult for you to see another whether you have. T- student die of suicide on campus. Yes I think everyone on on campus has been touched by it in some way over the last couple of years and it's it's certainly heartbreaking to see the school have to go through it again. You have your own experienced it it must have been touched by this. Are you comfortable sharing late late January of I. Good Friend of mine took her own life on campus. she was the first of the three that have occurred this year on campus and one four in the last year in the last year and so. I actually left school for the last semester of last year to sort of recover from that and two weeks back into into school this year when this incident occurred so it's it's certainly hard to have to see people go through payments seems all too familiar for me and some of my close friends what does that does. It have on on the community of the students. When there's a death of this nature I think it's sort of two fold the first effect that that houses just shock and pain across social media facebook twitter instagram a lot of people were sort of taking to express their shock and express their outrage as well and just the hurt that feels have to go through this another. Someone lost their life on campus in in such a way and then for people. Who've we've gone through such experiences before it hits on a different level at something more person on it brings back memories of the pain from before but then on the other hand? I think it also brings the community together. I think a lot of people reach out to each other support each other and that's been nice to see. It's just too bad but it takes something like this to make that happen. University says is is going to install is now installing these temporary safety barriers in the building where Friday's deaths occurred but that's something you and the other students have been demanding for sometime. Sometimes what exactly would those barriers do since the first the first death occurred at the band center last year people have been asking for some preventative measures. The ban in center is a building in sort of a center of campus that has the computer science program which one is the most high stress and high demanding programs for students and it has a large judge indoor courtyard in the middle with five story high balconies with very low railings. That's where these three deaths have occurred I I think both in terms of preventive to discourage people from taking their lives and then if they do choose to go that step of hopefully saving some students it'd be it'd be the objectives. It's it's as much as it's good to see the university taking this action now. It's frustrating to know that it took three lives to get there when people on campus of asking for it since before the first place was lost. So why did it take so long. I I'm not sure the president of the university said in a statement over the weekend I believe that they were looking at sort of long-term architectural strategy and they have been looking at that for some time but they said that they will attempt to construct temporary barriers right away so I don't. I think anyone in the student body is quite sure satisfied without explanation. Temporary barriers can be constructed now why they weren't after the first death after the second death or at any of the time it was the awesome between of course there is the issue that you can prevent put up barriers but you you still have people who are in some ways struggling with with as mental health issues and the university says it's going to expand counseling services and an increased police presence. How much do you think that will accomplish. I think there's a AH for some sort of an attitude of that will believe it when we see it among the student body I think it's something that's been promised for a long time and yet still students are faced with long wait lists or our caps on the amount of time. They're allowed to use counseling services per year you have. T- still doesn't have a twenty four hour students support line so after hours if students are in crisis on the university they have to turn to resources outside of the university and compared to a lot of other universities in the province in the country. The per capita amount of mental health support youth tea is dramatic new by where and especially considering that you have is a very high pressure environment. I think a lot of people are looking for more of those opportunities and are sort of federated did with them being unable to do that certainly a good sign that the university is willing to move not direction but I think people have been waiting for a long time and they're frustrated in just promises of more action aren't necessarily satisfying the appetite for change. You mentioned that this is the computer science building in that computer. Science is where the temendous the pressure but but all for all students all university students. It's a pressure cooker isn't it. You just got so many things you you have to deal with. There's a culture of this that you're supposed to feel feel pressure. You're supposed to have not slept on eight and have eaten poorly and have denied yourself all kinds of creature comforts. Do you think that that's a part of the problem. I absolutely really think so and I think that that problem is heightened. At the University of Toronto specifically. It's sort of something that you're sort of implicitly taught since the moment you arrive have especially in in first year. Most students have been if their first year university and they're faced with classes of twelve hundred thirteen hundred people it's difficult for some taxes support and then when they try to often they face with really long wait lists and with a lot of students in a lot of programs especially computer science they have to keep up very high grades in order to stay stay in the program so that adds a whole other level of pressure and there's sort of burnout affect that comes from that end. I think for some people that pressure can be too much and whether that results in leaving school for a period of time as I did last year and as I know many of my colleagues have done or ultimately taking their life. There's a lot of ways that pressure can manifest itself but it's certainly not healthy and they're so young I think seventeen eighteen years old didn't do you think there's more can be done to to support them. Especially in the first year students absolutely I think that the transition period is really hard for a lot of people to go when you're seventeen on you're too young to vote too young to drink to go into these environments oftentimes spend time alone away from home and be faced with these tremendous pressures that lines exams etc and the expectation to have to deal with that all on your own when you're still in your formative years is unreasonable and overwhelming. I think a lot of student population appreciate you speak with us. Thank you thank you girl by Alex. four-game is a third year geography students the University of Toronto. If you believe you or someone you know may be at risk of suicide. You can call the candidates suicide prevention service at one eight three three four five six four five six six again again. That's one eight three three four fifty six forty five sixty six the people standing behind a politician at a press conference the backdrop so to speak are usually trustees supportive bunch and while the mayor's Flanking Liberal leader Justin Trudeau today were polite they weren't exactly supportive in Richmond Hill Ontario Mr Trudeau unveiled his party's gun control plan plan which included giving municipalities the choice to impose a ban on handguns but the mayor's at today's event all serving the Greater Toronto area want Mr Mr Trudeau to go further with a national handgun ban here's the liberal leader speaking at the event today followed by a question from CBS's Katie Simpson one of the things as we've heard clearly from the mayor's here and indeed right across the country is a desire to move forward on restrict and ban and guns within their communities communities. We recognize I sat. GTI has over five million people who could live in municipalities where handguns are flat flat out banned. This is something that will make a significant difference in moving forward on gun control in this country and the choice in this election couldn't be clear liberals want to strengthen gun. Control Conservatives want to weaken gun control. That is the choice facing Canadians on October twenty first. I'm going to note that you did not specifically answering my question but I I'm wondering if I get a show a hand from the mayor's here. I don't know what the answer is from you guys but we heard it from the medical professionals who are on the front lines yesterday that a national ban. Dan would be something that they would be in favor of because as one of the doctors pointed out you could cross from one city to another to pick up a handgun of a show of hands here from mayors who would like a national national ban. I can tell you I heard clearly from them that many of them want us. I want us to bring a national ban. Yes so all of the if you take a look behind you. All those people are saying national ban you heard from the medical professionals so why not go that route we are taking the strongest step in Canadian history to move forward on tougher gun legislation. We are moving forward on a full out ban on assault weapons and we're moving forward to empower municipalities this apologies across this country cities big and small to ban handguns within their districts within the municipality. This is a significant step forward art and the choice in this election is do we move forward on strengthening gun control with the Liberals or do we go with the Conservatives who who want to weaken gun control. That is a choice Canadians are facing liberal leader Justin Trudeau reacting to a unanimous show of hands from Ontario real mayors on a national handgun ban and responding to a question from CBC reporter Katie Simpson the Jessye Norman contributed her unforgettable voice to opera and to a great many social causes and in both capacities it was a formidable one Jessye Norman. One of the great American American Sopranos has died. She was seventy four years old earlier this year she became the first woman to receive the one hundred. Thousand Dollar Glenn Gould Prize presented good for exceptional artistic and humanitarian achievement when she was in Toronto accepting that award she spoke with the CBS's Eleanor Wachtel about her childhood and the American south and about how her parents helped make it very different than it might have been. My father would somehow arranged his day. My father was the manager of Insurance Company. He he was somehow remains his day to drive me. Wherever ahead to sing and I was seeing all the time I promise you I say more than I did as a professional they didn't have to pay me. UC's but I think for the opening of a grocery store for recreation centers and it wasn't very big grocery store but it was that kind of experience growing up as a child that made it possible for me to have an interesting and ah happy life growing situation that could have made me feel very differently about myself and very differently about my place in the world and just I think ah break but you must have been aware growing up in the deep. South in the nineteen fifties and sixties absolutely you're surrounded by signs of segregation the movie there were water fountains one would say written colored the next one would say white and because at age five or six. I simply did on simple. The nonsense was about I was to go to the white founded into an on the water and let's go to the color of the water and I would say it's my mother that she did know but in the same mm-hmm that's opera diva Jessye Norman speaking with Eleanor Wachtel on writers and company earlier this year. Ms Norman died yesterday. Liquid Mitchell is a soprano who has followed in Ms Norman's footsteps for much of her career. We reached her in New York. City that Cueto when you hear Ah Jessye Norman her voice her humor in that clip what comes to mind for you well. I think the first thing that comes to mind is yeah that that's That's her away to find a bit of weight and brevity in such a a tough situation. I'm I just that's exactly who she was always a twinkle in her eye. That's that's the curious. The curious artists that she obviously grew up to be that sounds about right. Now Your own encounters with his Norman I understand. She may have been one of the first to get too interested in opera. What what what's the story there. This story is at the age of fourteen. I met Miss Norman. I was a freshman and I was cutting class. Awesome what's admit in the head of my voice departments as to meet the quota. How would you like to meet Jessye. Norman sure hosie and he says okay you'll be meeting Jessye Norman. Tomorrow is probably the greatest voice I've ever heard and you'll have the opportunity you need to meet her tomorrow and that very next day was when I met Miss Norman along with eighteen other girls. We were part a renewed national. Take your daughter to work day. We've taken to the Metropolitan Opera House with Miss Norman Chaperones and we met every woman that happened to be in charge. Kamajor Department wakes makeup milner. 's at it was it was fantastic. We spent the day at the met and I asked tons of questions. She recognize that ends she asked if I'd like to attend an opera and I said absolutely sure when this evening I said Okay and in my first opera was a Richard Wagner Eve al Qaeda won't and so you and you heard of course Jessye Norman Sing. Yeah I think everyone was norman saying I mean all of sixty six street hurt missed Thurman thing and we all marveled and the United Child. We're really impressionable and when she entered states I saw for the first time someone who looked like me on a huge stage and I. I thought that while if that's a possibility for her maybe I might give this classical music thing a chance who knows and so that's how it sort of started coming because you could see an African American woman who could hold that stop students seeing though seen Wagner and so and of course the voice the voice is just absolutely extraordinary narrow. The extraordinary sound cabernet sound the just incredible impeccable diction in attention you pay to the text. It's something that is live with me. I guess you know since then since I was fourteen years old it. That sound of her voice is when the the the thing that I know that it's finite that is able to enter United get to to meet to get to my heart when I hear her saying we heard that that Khalip when she was speaking with eleanor tell she makes she makes light of the the segregated south but she is she's. She's amusing in that an anecdote but it was she was in the middle of that wasn't she. In Augusta Georgia she grew up in segregated the American so now she was what effect you think that had on her I believe the that affect that racism and segregation had upon most people of color living in the south was a thought that they had to make away. They had to make sure store that they brought respect to their parents names who worked incredibly hard so that their children can have maybe a shot. You know everything that they knew from church from Sunday choir school from after school everything was done and taught by the people that that looked like them so when they left that circle they knew that they were carrying with them a heavy sort of thing. They knew that they had to be great so that perseverance that she had arbitrarily that determination that she had I believe came came from that that knowledge you mentioned how what inspiration she was for you to see an African American woman on that stage but she had her own people who who who she aspired to like Marian Anderson and Dorothy mainers. She saw those singers who said I can do this but I guess what would people have mentioned Jessye. Norman opened up was the range of roles that an African American singer Soprano could play it wasn't just GonNa let me porgy and Bess Wagner as well and that's that's with one of the many legacy she left absolutely I'm just grateful that the people that surrounded her at that time saw fit to allow her to explore the range of the vocal. Oh cool range of the literature and she she she says so many recording so many different kinds of music with everything from John Cage to barely OHS but but also one of the legacies is that she was very dedicated to education arts education huge part of emission and she founded a school. I think you've you've been there. Have you noticed yes. I've been to the school. It's a fabulous fatwa school. this is after school kids and it is completely free and these children are allowed the opportunity to have classes in our work in oil painting dance choir. You know poetry and spoken were miss.. Norman was an avid reader and an avid lover of pros of words words. It's a lively lively place and I know that shoot want nothing more than people to remember her by by remembering and bring her school which is named after her the just enormous school for the arts acquitted. Thank you so much for telling us about this wonderful woman. Thank cute also much and I hope you'll have a wonderful evening. Thank you take care. Liquidity Mitchell is a soprano a mentor and friend of Jessye Norman. She's in New York. City Jessye Norman died yesterday. She was seventy four years old. for Beijing it was supposed to be a day of National Unity Day to mark seventy years of communist ruling China instead Hong Kong. It's police force are facing questions after an officer shot an eighteen year old male. It's the first time police have fired live rounds at protesters. The teenager who was taken to hospital and survived was taking part in demonstrations in June when district of North Hongkong Hong according to police the officer who shot him was acting in self-defence Ken. Lou is a university student and journalist. He was nearby when the shooting shooting happened. We reached Mr Liu in Hong Kong. Can can you describe the atmosphere before this shooting took place. I think the atmosphere before these shooting this like Hong Kong and they think that in this special occasion the anniversary of the establishment of the PR see as kind of a great occasion to have affect fight fight the regime right you're the seventieth anniversary of the People's Republic of China and so in into and win before the shooting began. Can you describe what was happening. The atmosphere is quite intense at throughout police devastating at times of at rubber bullets and the also try to attack Iraq police the rap elise retrieving that falling back but however the deep protesters to try to chase those Arab police and the protesters had beaten arrived police that rep police on the ground and then I heard a very loud noise and I saw that was a real pistol should take yeah okay. So what you saw was that as the riot police were pulling back from the protesters. They were going after them and they don't. We talk with their weapons include. They have some sticks rods and they were pursuing the police. One policeman was down on the ground. Yes yes and then you heard the shooting yes. Did you see who was shot. I didn't really sore the moment of firing indeed Christoper. I soul a policeman holding a pistol facing the protesters and so oh that eighteen year old young man who was shot. He is in serious condition in hospital. What did police do after that man was shot the police at first they tried to arrest and other protesters trying to help the injured boy and the next thing they tried to do is to disperse protesters not letting them to attack. Bri Police animal and a soul. I remember what he's in trying to rescue or trying to help the injured boy and so there is video campus video. That's not been independently verified but there is a close what's up picture of this shooting. What appears to be the shooting. The police officer turning to this young man who has has sticker rod in his hand and the police officer shoots into his chest. Have you seen that video yeah Tampa St. We you want right. Yes was that the same incident that you saw as the one that's on your is still under yeah. HOW DID PEOPLE REACT. This is the first time I'm police have used live rounds shot directly at protesters. How are people responding to that. Some protesters the return to that place and some protesters trying to blame the police y you have done soul and the you know that you are killing people on one police officer his quite frightened he he told the protesters that they have already called the ambulance and unclear don't attack us. We protect the injured boy properly assessing nervous. I guess and he's trying to calm. Dondi indeed the other protesters and police are saying now that they reacted in self defense when they shot the young man. What do you say to that thing. Describing lists they have different choices such as are prescribed to disperse the protests and I don't see any ground for a real pursuit yet. This is excessive Roussel folks. We're Hong Kong hospital. Authorities say that there are fifty one people injured two men are in critical condition they haven't given updates on the young man that we're speaking of here but there are other reports that this was not the only live round shot shot by police. They were several different places where they used real bullets. Is it any sense that the police have changed their tactics. I guess so because that was seldom CD using the in cost occasions but for this day they used for six runs at this quite a huge amount of retreats and also understand that in the past they were warning shots they fired they didn't fire into do the crowd or the protesters that correct yes. What is what are you thinking. You've been following this for months now. What are your thoughts thoughts right now. As to what you witnessed and what it might say about where this protest is now going the government is just tried trying to push the situation to be more has and they are not going to solve the problem I I think they're just trying to arrest and arrests boy for people hole but I think the protesters that they will use more radical tactics to to handle to deal with the police released and I think the attrition is quite grave. I would say quite grave so you think the violence will escalate will. Do you think that protesters will fear the possibility of being shot with live bullets. Fewer of them will go out in the street. I don't really certain salt because the anger has covered discount fear fitness yeah. Can I appreciate you speaking with US tonight. I know this has been ah very stressful and confusing day for many people but thank you for telling us what you saw. Thank you very much. bye-bye bye-bye can lou is a university student journalist we reached him in. Hong Kong you can find more on this story on our website at CBC DOT CA Slash Ai h you've been listening to the as it happens podcast our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One and on Sirius Xm following world. It's six you can also listen to the whole show on the web just go to CBC DOT CA Slash Ai Age and click on the daily full episode link. Thanks for listening. 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Part 1: Joe Buck and Oliver Hudson Discuss Play-By-Play Videos and Daddy Issues, plus The News (ACS Apr 27)
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I think it's Bill Hudson but one of the Hudson brothers and the Hudson brothers were another one of those seventies variety show groups that was big in like. Nah Eight hundred seventy four. The Hudson Brothers show was so big that they not only had a night-time Friday or Saturday night variety. Show up there with Sonny and Cher and dining Marie and all that they actually spun it off to a morning. A Saturday morning show is well. This is news to me the Hudson so kate Hudson is eight hundred and brother and Oliver Hudson his the Hudson brother in Kurt. Russell shows up shortly after that. Wow that's why they're Hudson's and the Hudson's were Hudson brothers which were triplets. I think there are three Hudson brothers. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Hanson brothers from slapshot way three dudes Kinda like the Hansen's from slapshot like big hair and they had a musical variety Saturday night or Friday night show network. Everything was network obviously and then a daytime or morning Saturday morning. Tv shoot show as well. The Hudson brothers. It was the Hudson Brothers razzle dazzle show which was the morning show. And that's the one I kind of remember the most and I had this vague memory of them having a a a also a nighttime show. I think we have the beginning of the Hudson Brothers razzle dazzle show from nineteen seventy-four. Maybe nine hundred and seventy five Saturday morning. As I recall the panel can brothers. Wrestled doesn't show starring. Clark can't believe Ed Murray Langston a kink extraordinary. You ugly thing show. Yeah I remember the pot. Was this appointment. Viewing for you know. Everything was appointment viewing for me because if someone to hit had an aquarium that was empty it would have been appointment viewing for me. I would've sat down and stared my own reflection an empty aquarium possibly filling it up with my own tears at some point so but you literally could take an empty aquarium and just put a fake castle in the middle of it. I would have stared at because there is nothing else to do. Essentially the guy who was in I was in the whole absent solitary confinement and I was just reading the back of cereal box. The looking there's a version of this. The you know the version this is. I don't I don't know that any of us are there any more but you ever know that. Mu- you move where you the guy at the tire. Rotation and balancing play says come by noon if pick your carpet noon you know and you come by like eleven fifty five and the guy goes. Oh yeah up on the horse. Yeah just give us a couple of minutes here. And it's about forty five fifty minutes and you find yourself sitting there and you're looking in their some magazine. It's like a trade magazine and at some point you pick it up and you go. What's the difference between McPherson Strut Dampener and A leaf spring. And you go let me find out more. You know you're just reading the magazine that you would never look at never before. Had some something was on it enough for parental words were printed on it. Where's your print? So far as the the shows in the evening it's all I had was ten years old. Had to watch Hudson brothers or dining marie or a pink lady and Jeff. What have you and then in the morning? It was all there was. I didn't read so that was that was it on was on. I can't wait for you to pay this complementary. I don't know that Oliver had a great relationship with his Dan. Okay who is Biological Dan? Who by the way is seventy today on an only seventy? What I'm saying is that show hit the air. One thousand nine hundred seventy four. Wow Wow long time. Seventy is not an old you know. My Dad's eighty nine or something. He was seventy so he was twenty four something when the show so I guess he got started young I don't know if the Hudson brothers were banned. I think maybe they were banned but three brothers and that's what they did back then. I had well. You know the bad news is you. Don't you don't grow up with your biological dad. The good news is the you get Kurt. Russell is your Stepdad. Or essentially the guy raised the coolest guy in Hollywood. It's going to raise you so that's bad news. Yeah I am. I woke up this morning and I looked at my phone and there was a kind of familiar. Taxed from a name wasn't a name it was just kind of handle that was recognizable. Some people in Hollywood don't put their full name on their tax but it's the name of a character from one of the movies version of that or something so I looked at it for a while and I was like that and it seems familiar to me. Came in at eight thirty nine in the morning and I thought Oh figure this out and I went to go. Take a walk at about eleven. Thirty and I called the the person back. Which was Kevin Costner? And we talked for one hour. Nineteen minutes would never ever happen. If this shit wasn't going through and I started thinking about it's like I had a super long. You know forty minute. Plus conversation with Judd Apple Town and Patrick Dempsey and now Kevin caused it. I would never sorry for the namedrop. We're never had those conversations if the shit and gone down to do. Yeah well yeah. I don't have stuff to do but he has to do. I think it's how how would have worked out in the past. So what was the context of the conversation you know? He is really a renaissance guy in a very accurate and apt description of a renaissance man. He's a SORTA cowboy kind of blue coury kind of sports oriented guy with the with the with the mind of a philosopher woven to it. So you get to this you start having these conversations about religion and about humanity and just about everything and then stories which which you realize when you talk to the Costner's of the world and or if you talk to stallone these guys are story tellers like first and foremost like you think of them as actors or action guys are good looking guys or leading man or something but you really get to their assets and I include stallone in this group. They WanNa tell stories. You know they'll tell you a story about some guy. From the turn of the century they love the you know. Kind of classic American picked himself up started from nothing drop. That school started his own business. But they'll tell you these stories that like twenty minutes long of just here's this guy and then he did this and then he did that and then they said he was finished but he wasn't. You know they just love those stories and you start to listen and you realize Oh. They're story tellers. They do you think. They're movie makers are actors but they're really kind of Storytellers at but he was telling me you know. Here's some docs. You should check out poetic along. Religious conversation is well. Let's just sort of interesting to me. Have you heard the good news out of I mean it's just a? It's a time when I think people are kind of Open to just about anything. These days and Different kind of and takes on it and you know I was Kinda explaining that I was an atheist and when I was young I was a little more militant as an atheist. And you know there's a part when you're an atheist. We're trying to poke holes in the narrative of the other guy in our like. Oh yeah well. He said he was going to be gone for. A generation and a generation is forty years so he should have been back in nineteen eighty two. But he's not back in this kind of PLO coal and run. You have some energy then you get a little bit older. And you're Kinda like at. Listen I I I said I said I have kids. You have kids if something happened. No one of my kids. I would wish that I had faith that like fall back on like I like this. If I've ever in an airplane and one of the engines blew out like I would like to rub some rosaries or something. I would like to have some some calmness in me. Yes well. That's the story telling thing what is religion but one big story whatever religion or whatever religion it is just telling the story of the world or the religion whatever parables how to be better person and his patent. Oswald says if you like torture porn check out the first. Yeah those are just a very long. He's He's a really thoughtful guy and he he's a very interesting guy and then at some point he was I said I said it's like ninety five degrees out here. Bub-bubba hiking through my neighborhood and some point go on facetime video poker down. He just held this phone up and he's just standing on a cliff at the beach in nothing but surf and sand and a couple of guys with long boards out there. And I'm like God damn it and then I just invited myself over to. I was like I thought about it. It was like. Hey Buddy. Don't reach out. You know what I mean. Don't you base time of the Vista? Don't reach out. I'm definitely invited myself over to your house. I'm not going to deal with it anymore. All Right Joe Buck is on hold and I guess Oliver Hudson's GonNa pull up in a second so I guess Pot up a show as long as he's on. Hold Hijo. I Adam how are you? I'm well I like your frames. Hey thank you. I got him in Greece. Really really make me feel cool fifty one. I've told everyone by belt or some glasses or some low I in some cool country because then if anyone comments on it you didn't go. Oh I found these in Bakersfield. I think fell off of Van. Oh Yeah I was in Palermo. I think when we were laughing earlier in the month I guess or who knows what day it is but About you doing all the commentary for the kids and the sports play by play Z. Crazy stuff how how did you? How did you come upon that? Well my boss brought that up to me instead. Why don't you do start doing videos of people that are out there in the Internet? And he wanted me to do. I think Fox initially wanted me to do viral videos. That same way to sell servants. No I'M GONNA take any credit for anything was making people. Send me boring home videos and testing my ability to put play by play to whatever the hell they're doing while we're all locked up and fighting with our spouses or children. Is there an element of I know? It sounds sort of rhetorical. But I I kinda mean it you know. I haven't done stand up in six weeks and you lose your chops a little bit. You know you kind of need to be up there you know I. I don't WANNA sound dramatic but it's like hey. A boxer can't take six weeks off before you know you have to kind of spar after move around a little bit. It's hard to simulate it in in the standup world. Though maybe doing a daily podcast is a simulation of it to some degree. But for you it's keeping keeping them sort of chops lubricated. I think a little bit. You know one thing I wanted to do when they send me videos. I'd comfortable much. Twitter Is Try to make them as fresh as possible by to actually see it and just do it. I didn't want to see it then. Script something out and try to hit different points in the video I just wanted to kind of free will and whatever came came out that I just sent it back in. I didn't WANNA I didn't WanNa make them feel can which is what I do. You know when I'm call a game. I have no idea what's going to happen on touchdowns after all run or whatever you need to see react so at the. I think there's a little bit you could take from it. Of course knee doing all that morph it's way to An offer from an adult website to have made clear by play a of porn scenes. On Live Webcams. You hit paydirt. Yeah I have a little tamer request. Which was actually Chris. Locks on our producers idea. Which is there's a famous piece of footage of my son probably about three years ago. He's probably about ten going into a freezing cold swimming pool at my house. In the back of my old house I was challenging him to basically take the ice water. Plunge was probably fifty degrees outside. Maybe the pool was forty eight and he dunked himself and you can hear my wife kind of pleading for someone to get a towel back behind him very much bleeding to get a town. Everyone else is laughing. But for the setup. It's my son Sonny going into the swimming pool. It's my wife Lynn. That I think Kind of off camera. You can hear her voice and a half north of the border so at least I have done there and maybe my nanny August but I thought if we showed you the video maybe you could make the play by play. Call on my son. Going old sonny is his name. Natalia is the daughter Olga is the or always Oguz. Not there okay. So Natalia's standing there with their Legs crossed I'm standing there. I just got out of the pool. And Sonny's about to take the plunge and Lennox the shrew are the Gal who is pleading for him to get a towel under the water unbelievable is scrambling back inside. This is some form of child abuse. And there's dad all giggles Italian loving every second of it in the background is absolutely frigging out openness videos. Nowhere does her husband knows. It will every where ladies. Don't try to sit on. These people did not talking ever since the great show back. Alvar Hudson is with us. Well Daddy issues is the name of the podcast. I should say with Joe and Oliver and new episodes every Thursday on apple podcasts and spotify lots of good guests including our friends. Bill Simmons and David Spade and Mark Cuban. All Friends of the show. Oliver good to talk to you youtube and it's been a long time. I know I guess. Dawson's Creek. At the last time I was hanging out with you. Yeah I think it was. It was Bianca myself or busy. I don't know we came and did the show through. Oh that's right. We had been drinking and we came late night and sat down. You guys yes We were it was. It was a very memorable week of my life and the the reason was a memorable week. And I won't make this about me but I will for Forty five seconds. Which is we hit. Agreed to do Dawson's creek but we also had a syndicated radio show called Love Line that we did ten to midnight on the West Coast. But dos where we film. The North Carolina was on east coast. Time so we had to do our syndicated radio show from one a M to three. Am and then show up on the set of Dawson's Creek at seven forty five every morning or a week and I would literally go to bed at four thirty and then wake up at like six forty five and stumble out there and one night. The Dawson Creek's. Hass all came on but they came on one thirty at night and everyone was like twenty three and everyone was drunk a fun time time and dust. Well I was talking before you got on about you guys doing your the daddy issues podcasts. And then I was talking about your dad. Bill Hudson and the Hudson Brothers which I knew my childhood A little bit older than you or actually old. I'm about twelve years old and you so when I was ten. Your Dad was on your Biological Dad. We on TV. And I used to watch those guys do their shows and I I know you guys are probably a strange or I don't know how that how that panned out but I thought you know you're doing a daddy podcast. WanNa talk about it. Oh Yeah No. So my dad. And I it's been it had been and We have actually reconnected. The attacks starting slowly but no about three years ago. I posted something on my instagram count. Father's Day and I decided to be funny picture myself. Kate my dad better times not happy abandoned and I. It turned into a whole thing and my dad and went on inside edition. Sound me I mean it was one of these insane moments where I finally got his cell phone number through my half sister and I said. Hey I wrote a mini. I wrote him attacks. We got on the phone talk for three hours. Met In person. Couple MORE TIMES MEN. We aired it all out now. There is some what relationship you know at least be tax. So that's sort of how it all come around. You know what I mean what? Yeah no I know I I have some daddy issues myself and you know my whole family's kind of a mess so I I. Yeah it's my dad. I get Kinda weird strain in. A way feels very unnecessary. You know what I mean I mean I guess would your. We'VE ALL HAD ISSUES. That are kind of adult on adult issues. Wives girlfriends are business partners. Or whatever it is we've had that and then there's other relationships when you were nine you were friends. We do not best friends anymore but the problem with this is one person is an adult and the other person is five or seven or three. And you're Kinda need the adult to act like the adult and the adult oftentimes acts as bad as the six year old. And that's why it's kind of always on them. You know what I mean. It's hard to tell in the relationship. It's who he said she said. You guys agreed to go your separate ways. You're forty five years old. Whatever it is but it's it's weird when the dad or the mom is the adult and they can't kind of act like an adult with the six year old. Yeah no I know. We had a conversation about that and it was interesting. Is he opened my eyes to a couple things. That'd been realized you know Kirk came into my life when I was six years old and he was an amazing man and you raised and I think my dad felt intimidated by that. He felt that he could compete any longer. This is no excuse but instead of sort of fighting for it he decided to Kinda you know and go do his own thing but the problem is he didn't just go and do his thing that he was bashing mom and stuff and magazines going on. What's going on these shows and you know and that that was. I don't know where it all came but I do. I do honestly because his dad L. on him when it's always it's always it's always a cycle was the -sition where the Hudson brothers musicians. Yeah yeah they're musicians and that a variety show Saturday morning variety. Show you know and we have by the way just to go back to Dawson's Creek Locks pulled the clip. I guess of Oliver Myself. Who else's this Katie? Holmes this is us from two thousand and three I guess Dawson's Creek Stride Son. Are you still harping on that once? You give the girl at break if you take a look at her lately. Lucky a chick that hot. Let's get naked in the same building. She's in you got to move on. How old are you fifteen? Sixteen Twenty five twenty five. You know what I was doing when I was twenty five. No but I'm sure you're going to tell me that's right. I'm GonNa Tell You when I was twenty five only dreamt of getting with chicks. This high I was in my parents basement looking at my raft. Box had a picture of a gallon. It she was wearing a bikini and floating on a raft and I just stared at that thing until I was cross eyed. Miss that raft box. That's weird yeah you damn right. It's weird and that's my point. I'm tired of college. Kids complaining and belly ache and all the time when I was in college. We didn't have chicks at dress like this or their belly teas and HIP huggers thongs hanging out the back now. We had a tough. Let me ask you a question. You'd be with this guy if you thought you could trust him right Go Sport I gotTa do is gain our trust in your in. Like Flint. All right well. My work is done here. I'm going to get some cheats. Jesus Christ now. My voice is up. That was up a few octaves. Cry that alone guy. Having Zayed Watch and just watching Katie Holmes face that she's sort of reacting to what you're saying. She is on the list of women who would be most disgusted to sleep with you right If she's the top she's on the list the top twenty. But that's that really put that thought in my mind because that is why would look like I had Do you remember I Katie Holmes. I mean she met Tom Cruise. Obviously after that. That must have been a bizarre for you. I guess did everyone and then Michelle Williams became a feature star like. How does this work? I don't know Bianco on that shows. Well WHO's not married? Might you know. Oh Really Oh i. Didn't I didn't know that. Yeah so we actually did a show together. After that became Kim great friends but I have a funny Dawson's Creek Story I get a call at like one. Am and Katie Holmes and she is wondering where offered at the time was Chris Producing Chris. Something's actor in American Pie. I forget his last name and apparently he was roaming around the beaches of of Ron writes Phil Beach amount on the beach. Certes framing his name trying to find Chris in the middle of the Nile. Chris Klein Fun. Yeah Yeah and I think he he you know. He woke up in the morning somewhere on the beach had been drinking. Something went down but I was trying to find her boyfriend. La Two am. After she is is it can it be and Joe? If you'd like to enter this fray you may know I'm I'm good. I'm good let's go back to the or an offer later and let's let's just roll. Dawson's Curtis how we is being married to Tom. Cruise have to be the weirdest thing ever like. I met Tom Cruise once. I think he came over to Jimmy. Kimmel's house to watch football with us. On a on a Sunday Sunday Joe was probably on TV. Call and some of those games and it was. I think in his world it was sort of an attempt to like show up crack a beer with the man show is just kinda be regular regular joe pardon the Pun but he did show up with his mom and I kinda remember thinking. Hey you WANNA show up and just be like one of the regular dudes over here that that's fine but you should probably leave your mom at home. She was making book when the when I answer. I answered Jimmy's door is flung the door open. You know I was drunk. Of course they showed up like two in the afternoon. It was his mom stand there. She's had a box of cupcakes. And I remember thinking like this is. It's good but it's also kinda weird like cupcakes. Dudes are eaten hot wings in slugging down so the cupcakes are kind of weird. Mom's Kinda weird but then I started thinking like is he the most sincere genuine man on the planet or is this just kind of a weird sort of a near to try to throw us off the Zen of something. I don't know anyone have any Tom. Cruise or is held. Think anyone quite knows who Tom Cruise really. It's like who he really is. I I'm cruise knows who he really. You know what I mean. I have friends who've worked with him and gotten close to him and And he's an amazing guy so generous new girl is great but all of them say like you don't quite know who he really is right. Joe I'll weigh in on is say what you want about the mom and the cupcakes I guarantee you. There was not one cupcake leftover at the end of that day absolutely absolutely not. I think there's a picture Chris Locks on of him refereeing a spat between cousin. Sal and Jeffrey Ross. The roast master Ross. Topgun to back seat. You know the thing that's funny about Jeff. Causes he's sweetest Sincere gyn world he roast. Everyone we're living. But he's he's he's wired like like a like a Persian cat like he. He says somewhere between like a sixty Jaguar car and a Persian cat has a very delicate wiring cousin. Sal COUSINS SOW LIT HIM UP. Because cousin. Sal when Jeff Ross did dancing with the stars Jimmy. Kimmel live would get early information like who was going to be. The lead. Gas was the person that was booted from dancing with the stars right. So if you worked at Jimmy Kimmel live you. You would know you would never divulge it but you would know who who was going to get the boot that night. Yeah and So I think I think what happened was is sow reached out to Jeff. And he said. Don't worry you're safe and Jessica thanks man and got down to Jeff and another Guy Jeff saying to his part. Don't worry we got this and he got booted out to me. That's funny mazing joke. It's it's great and you can see Jeff's base like he's telling his derelict. Don't worry we're good. We'll make it past the night and he gets booted and he's completely unprepared frazzle and everything else. But Jeff was legitimately pissed. Cousin Sal for like a year and of course sal never apologized or anything. As if you're the rose master you gotta you gotTa fucking taken on each. And every once in a while and I think they both showed up at Jimmy's in Tom Cruise sort of posed for pitcher like inbetween them like keeping them. Apart that's my recollection is their picture that somewhere crests are. Am I making that point it up right now? I'd find that Dawson's creek clip and can't know God would have no crazy clip. There there. It is. He's holding the football. He's refereeing for cousin. Sal and check and believe me. They're there it is there's future mouldering just in this snapshot alone horrors perfect. Oliver knows I go to F Ross. Looked like he's lost his entire wardrobe flood with together and Alice leaning at Tufts. And then there's this guy that looks like no to the middle of it I had it. It's so funny you know you look at everything like through your own eyes. I remember Tom and his mom had a driver that a professional driver and so I was like hey. Tom Won a cold one. He's like mom. Good I'll drink tap water and I was like you. Don't WanNa be here and he's like non fine. I'm a driver a driver. You have to drink and drive in your life. Wasn't it you you were thrown off after this. I was completely sideways. Like a you go places with your mom and enjoy yourself. That'S INSANE IN B. You have a driver in your face right now like my world is coming undone. Why haven't driver have a driver looking at everything through? My big spectacle is with the mayonnaise rubbed on them. So what are you guys Let's talk about daddy issues The the pod is everyone at so it's interesting Joe. Your Dad was a famous announcer. And obviously you have great reverence for the man. I believe I've heard you talk about them before. It's a little a little bit different than Oliver's growing up and background is that make a good balance I think so I think Oliver and makes for good balance. I'm I why turned fifty one yesterday My two year old twin boys turn to today. So we're talking on their birthday. My wife talking about smoldering a smoldering in the room podcast on their birthday but also good And I am wound really tight. Oliver is not. Oliver is a bit younger than me. I'll or has kids right middle. I've got twenty three and twenty year old daughters and in these two year old boys. And my yeah. I Have Great Reverence for my dad but I think in the back of my head. I go to therapy once every two weeks because no matter what I accomplished what I whatever I do in the business world I am always going to live in my dad shadow especially being in Saint Louis where he really did everything around town and and so. That's kind of my daddy issues that deal with even though I've been doing this for damn near thirty years. A bunch of super bowls in world series. Oliver is a little bit more complex. with the daddy issue is used loosely. Thor's what Ali sister brother. I'll all kinds of issues daddy's just from the first one really. What do you have you have kate? Have Katie. I've got why I've got Boston. Boston is my brother or my stepbrother. My half brother in that. I'VE GOT KATE. Who's my full sister? Curcumin allies worry about six or seven and basically raised us. You know what I mean. And then these are good between my dad and I and my mk. Two we were eleven or twelve and then just seem to disappear. You know. I didn't really understand why time it just sort of disappear unanimity. It's been interesting Adam and everybody on on the show here that kind of dive into whether it's Mark Cuban. Our Bill Simmons just got tremendous reverence for his dad an educator Bail out about bill mark talking about bill and then the same with his dad was like a reupholstered car seats after his living in workers. Ass OFF IN. Everybody's got kind of this common thread and it really. I don't know it hasn't been talked about a lot and it's been fun kind of dive into all that stuff with different. I'm laughing because I knew I had quite a different upbringing. When I said on Monday I had to step dad. He had a Stepdad and my mom remarried. His mom remarried. Obviously and I said One day I said. Hey Bill didn't something happened. Didn't your Gear Dad's yacht sink or something like that and he goes no no. My stepdad yacht sank. My Dad's yacht was fine. I think we grew up differently. I don't think his dad had a yacht. Idle law scrape together run in high schools in trying to raise money for for the district. And there's no yacht well I'll call it a boat okay. Can we try to figure that out? Also one time I also knew we had very different childhood because again. I don't know if there's a step dad or dad but he said I said. Did you drive a car in Highschool? I didn't have a car in high school. He said Yeah had a Porsche and Porsche. What the Hell happened? He said I got it when I was fifteen. I said what the fuck did you do with a Porsche when you were fifteen. And he goes. Oh no no. My Dad was fixing it up for a year before I turned sixteen and I got it now. Nine fourteen wasn't expensive porsche cheap portion but I just thought Oh your dad got you porsche. When you're fifteen you guys fixed it up until you're sixteen took. It is school rhetoric. He said no we treated in the belly to for one comes from US something different and I guess the there's always kind of an excuse or an argument for failure depending on where you came from but see because there's a version. You could argue that. Your Dad was very successful and you lived in a shadow and how much pressure that was to live in a shadow. And so of course you trank to take the edge off and everyone compared to him and Blah Blah Blah. Oliver has a version of that. I could do the version of that or my dad was a loser and of course I wasn't gonNA amount to anything but the reality is this is America. You can sort of do whatever you want alternately. It's kind of that little gyro that's in you. And how fast is it? Is it turning? Would you guys agree with that? Yeah I mean I think there are so many different psychological. You know amalgamations that you can come up with his toe. Why you might do things in your life. You know what I mean. Everything in my opinion stems from you know your childhood and how you were raised both good Arafat a lot of people. Just say fuck it. You know what I mean like you had a shit childhood. Fuck it move on right. And there's there's a way to do that. I don't. I personally don't like doing that because I wanNA learn about myself and try to figure out. Why do some of the Shitty things that I do? Why am I not accomplishing what I think I can? What is my fucking roadblock. Now if I didn't care about that I would look into it but when I do I get deep into that sort of education I sell it all stems from some sort of Shit my child you know what I mean by the way has been my mother say it. My mom was there but it she's just as complicit. I guess you know. There's an happened with her to you. Know it's all of it. Well there's an interesting question. Which is what is it that you're not doing that. You think you could or should be doing 'cause Joe would appear on the surface that you're doing all that you want to do at least kind of within your chosen field though. I know you'll probably tell me that. There's some sort of ranch for special needs kids that you've always wanted to build but within Your Business. I don't feel like you're calling the super bowl. You're calling the world series. I don't know that you need to do much more than that. But you know I feel like I got a huge leg up. I was doing big league baseball. I was doing the cardinals when I was twenty. One and I would not have been doing that at that age of my dad. Wasn't Jack Buck now. I don't think that he was back there. He wasn't the one that hired me but it was cute because it was filling in for him and then Fox came along. Dropped out of the sky and everything is kind of taken off since then. So yeah. I'm I feel like work my ass off but you know we got a letter the other day somebody and all to read it on our pod cast of Guy Saying Hey. I dared to act like you have a far. You have no idea what it's like out here in the real world especially during this corona virus thing and people missing checks and people not being able to rent people not being able to put food on the table and and Oliver talked about it and we're not I think that's the last thing we're doing is trying to make it seem as if were Man Look look how hard we add it. It's actually the opposite but it's what you do with those opportunities. And how hard are you willing to work? And then you know you need a series of breaks. Go Your Way. I was just fortunate. Fox came along and And I worked hard to to not fuck it up. Once I got the world series in the Super Bowl's followed but you know acting two different thing. I feel like acting so subjective and who's to say whose great great and Ali. I think you've chewed on that for a long time with all. This six is a successful editor. What would you like to do Oliver? What well okay go so deep but you know I. My priorities are my family. They always have right. My career has never taken top priority over my life. I live death life meaning like when I'm dying. What am I gonNA fucking remember? I remember some sort of a role. I did not real. I'm going to remember the time that I had with my family. My kids my parents. Whatever it maybe you know what I mean so I've always approached my career that way now. There could be an excuse to that because you know fear of failure in big for me trying to live up to what I think. My parents are comparing myself to my all of these things work into my head and then stops progress in a way you know. I don't feel like I'm good enough. Maybe I can't do the things that they could do. These are all. This is all shifted swirls in in my head even though my career is I'm been tremendously successful but still there's that block. I feel like if I could let go of that honestly. Just not give a fuck about what people think. I think it's the number one thing for me. I truly not care and go out there and do whatever I do. I would be able to sort of be better at what I do you know. Yeah there's something very insidious about comparing yourself to people that are around you further apart from you. It's still not a good idea but with close by you know. I'm a guy who had a partner named Jimmy Kimmel and now he's big late night guy and I think about it and I was Kinda think about it not in terms of how I think about it but how other people think about it like I remember like years ago people go like what are you doing and I'd go. I'm doing a podcast and they'd go. You don't know pod card. I don't know what that is but Jimmy is on late night. Tv and it was like if if if I found myself comparing myself to him it was an issue. Now there are millions of people you've worked with who are doing nothing and there's three people that are doing more shit than you and you're constantly kind of looking at those people in in your life and in a way it's Sorta like your high school graduating class like you know five hundred and fifty people on you're doing better than five hundred twenty five of them but you're staring at the five that are doing better than you. A little of that is healthy. I mean there's a little motivation to you. Make a great point though when you say it's almost about went out the other people's perception of you compared to Jimmy and I get. I understand that healing a you know I'm doing this but people are probably thinking. Oh you're the black sheep part of the Fam- you know what I mean. They're doing this and yeah you're you're good. You're doing all right but like they're much much better than you know what? This is my work ahead. This isn't reality but I think that works into into my world and it's funny. You say that because I I feel the same way when I get ripped up one side about the other in October because everybody perceives me to be rooting for the other team Right because I'm not there and you and I was before I think the last time around but when I'm when I'm there is the National Guy I've got two sides of both sides Ron's or whatever side wins. I've got a screaming all the other side. They don't hear that all year from their local talent answers and so get shredded on social media and I feel like it bothers me more because family members of mine reading that about the than it actually really affects me. I which is bright insanity but I really believe that. But it's like it's garrison for my co workers in other not getting absolutely shredded on social media. And it's more bothersome to me for how they might perceive. It may be bad for me than it is really something that gets inside me and it doesn't change how I do my job. I am able to shut off out but yet it's funny how the mind works and how you perceive things are other people looking at. You usually are two totally different opinions. So you're looking at two different people. Yeah a you know it just kind of strikes me that I just keep getting back to this thing. Where were no? We did not evolve into as much criticism information and and general commentary. Were getting about ourselves. We we did not know this world fifteen minutes ago and now we're in the middle of it. I suspect that my kids to some degree who will grow up with it will be used to it and they're therefore maybe a little better. Maybe they can deal with it a little in a little better way. Maybe it'll be a little more prepared. I went through. You know zero to thirty five. I never even read anything about myself are heard anything about myself or anything and now you just turn on. Open your phone and so it's calling you. Dick. We'd so all I can think of when I think about this stuff all roads to me. Is You have to go out side and chop wood like you have to put the phone. Leave the phone inside. Turn on. I literally find myself asking Alexa play opera music. I I walk into my dad and I go. Alexa play opera music and opera music. I somehow ten thousand people's phones just went nuts. I it's like listen to something else. Do something else here about someone else's problems from three hundred years ago or go out and chop wood the part the part where you're just staring at your phone read reading shit about yourself. Is You know you can't escape it anymore. One the things that I always remembered as the southwest terminal in Burbank airport. When I'd be getting on one of my flights that go out to Phoenix on a southwest flight and do a couple of nights at at some standup club had this huge picture of Jimmy. Kimmel on it it was like ABC. Jimmy Kimmel live like a big advertisement. I be handing my southwest them going. Your drink coupons expired. Surin be arguing with the president. And there's a giant picture of Jimmy going late night with Jimmy Kimmel and it was like it was. He was literally a huge poster. And I'd have to stay in next to it while the person who was taking my ticket would go sir. You're in the seaborne group. I'm sorry we're still boarding the bees and they'd be staring this pitcher Jimmy and you know I thought it was sort of poetic this because You know I'm an atheist and have a sense of humor but it's like we're all just going to have to deal with some version of that in in Kinda get over it and get on with our lives. Oh yeah and by the way. It doesn't even matter long. Run its own bullshit anyway and we live in such a fast paced world right now that no one remembers the last five minutes. Anyway I could go to a porno. And then do scorsese mob. Voice did proven it. Is it just a matter you can? I mean you know you can go do things and you think you're hurting yourself in one way or another with a choice that you make and entertained. You can't do it now and what you realize is it's narcissistic for you to even be thinking about it to even think that somebody else cares enough about your life that they would care. It's its own sort of exercise in Narcissism. Even you know the woe is me obviously like. Oh everyone's talking about me and I'm the laughing stock of the whatever. This is what they're thinking. They're is much about you as you're thinking about them at all times that we should always. That's one of my favorite phrases from my favorite college. Professor was when you're twenty years old. You worry about what everyone thinks of you. When you're forty you stop wearing at one of you and when you're sixty you realize they were never thinking about you in the first place. That is right. All right. I'm going to give the guys a plug and I'll let him go before we jump into the news because Joe's got a birthday and his three. Are they sleep? What time is it daddy issues with? Joe Buck and Oliver Hudson new episodes every Thursday on apple podcasts. Spotify is well. Thanks guys thanks for coming on. I appreciate you do it again. Thank you guys I right. Let me hit the blinds. Galore here and then we'll take a break. We'll do Commercials. They'll do the news. Sorry Blinds Galore. Extra time at home. Well maybe you want more light coming in or maybe went less light coming in about we go with the blinds colorblind. Galore DOT COM. I every single blind and curtain now every Let's see a blinds and You Know All the Blinds Curtains. Galore curtains They're all Oh I have the blackout sheds shades and blinds. 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The news with Gene Grad looks like trump maybe canceling his nightly briefings That's according to the New York Post said over the weekend instead of Issuing you know his his almost nightly appearances he it's not worth the time and the effort he says and I quote. What is the purpose of having White House? News conferences when the lame stream media as nothing but hostile questions and then refuses to report the truth or facts accurately they get great ratings record ratings and the American people get nothing but fake news not worth the time and effort and he's caught some flak in the last few days after thinking aloud on Thursday about how covert nineteen patients may be cured by injecting themselves with disinfectants. Many companies. Doctors politicians have come out begging people not to do that. Trump said he was being sarcastic so I think he's I think he's over us. I think he's over over everybody. Yeah he's not going to get I. It's it's he's not going to get any points he can only lose. He does too much vamping. And there's a way you know. Nobody he doesn't have any fans out there so they're just gonNa there's nothing in it for him he can. There's like potential downside. It's kind of like a whenever you deal. With an attorney who worked for the network. You'd go could I wear this version of a Mickey Mouse? Shirt doesn't look like it's too close. You can watch about that to my attention. Got Nine years in the shape the heads shaped like a pyramid. Yeah but it's too close. Yeah but we call it Sickie Taus not making Manana now down. It's like there's nothing in it they just go fuck it. Don't do it well and it only makes. I mean it's not. You're not winning anyone over either way. It only makes to your base stronger and only makes people you hate. Who Hate you hate you more? So it's not birding over these it's not it's not no first off. I don't know who's I don't know who's listening or who's acting If he whatever he says there's always a strong course of that's a horrible idea so I don't know who's moved by him but he it's lose lose he should he should to stay in. Let's do it well. Speaking of FAO. She fell just a few weeks ago. I imagine tongue in cheek when Some when he was asked if he was ever played by someone on Saturday night live. Who would like it to be? His answer was Brad Pitt. Of course so ask and you shall receive because that was the cold open of the latest. Snl which they did from home which seemed to have a little more production value on. Hold onto my making this up. They did the Tom. Hanks version from home right. Then I think the next week they showed a replay dark so then I was like Oh. They're dark or they're not doing it. So that was a special all. That's what I thought. Or maybe it worked out so well so forget it and then I wake up this morning and it's like Got Brad Pitt. Oh up I mean I have no idea but it seems like I said you know now we know what the bugs are and it will take another week to do this and maybe it'll be every other week. I have no idea but it was. It was very well done. Here's the cold just part of the cold open with Brad Pitt as Dr Anthony Fauci. Good evening I'm doctor. Anthony Foul I. I'd like to thank all the women in America who have sent me supportive inspiring and sometimes graphic emails. We had a great meeting today with a lot of the great competencies and they can have vaccines. I think relatively soon relatively soon is an interesting phrase relative to the entire history of US sure The Vaccines GonNA come real fast. But if you were to tell a friend I'll be over relatively soon and then showed up a year and a half later. Well you afraid may be relatively pissed off. We have done an incredible job. We're going to continue. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear. Miracle would be great. Who Doesn't love miracles but miracles shouldn't be plan A. You can call it a flu. You could go to virus. You can call in many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is. We know what it is. And then I see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute one minute and is there a way we can do something like that By injection that's funny. Funny went on for last night but didn't tune in a lot of good bits actually pulled another one because it's so timely with everything that's going on at the grocery stores and and again the way they're they're trying to put the production back in these. Everyone got their green screens this week. This is a very funny Commercial with Kate McKinnon Eighty Bryant doing an a local ad for a local grocery store. It's very funny. Were Kathy and Susannah an Helen from Barnsley's grocery store as you know staples like chicken. Milk and bread have been flying off the shelves. That's why we wanted to alert you to some items that despite the pandemic we still have an absolute abundance items like frozen Hawaiian pizza a little dry harrabin marjorie counted flour pasta mint. Parental wine for Missouri makes oaths all pretzels and possible lobster fluoride bananas and of course dishonor water. What's wrong with it? I know I like it. At Thornton's there are some things we can always guarantee dedication customer service and the availability of certain items that we will never not have like. Ukrainian yogurt kept abysmal. Oreos PAP- stoop and Assadi water. Now Vegetarian so consider adding these new favorites to your shopping list. We want to give you what you want. But first we needed to buy what we have from your friends at Martins. Grocery STORE FUNNY. Y- sounds like they kind of a little bit back on track with what they can do. I'd say coal wine pizzas first thing. I thought he's just Tony. Waters horsely nasty. I didn't know what I didn't. I must admit I didn't get the Dasani water. Generally like it is it a non so it's not like a non sequitur inside or something people don't like that's something you knew before the Bet. I Know No. That's what I'm saying. So it's like if nobody knows it before the bit. Then it's a little weird. Yeah especially it was a big meam. Adam Sola yeah so everybody. During the hoarding they would find designees. Were still know that everyone's making fun of on the Internet. Water will united way. People are if you took a Dasani water and there was plenty laughed and there was one six pack of sparkle. It's left or something. People would get into a fistfight over the six pack of spark when it's all just distilled water filter water. Whatever it is. That's us in a weird way. Ooh instead of secret shoppers. You should have a secret hoarders because you gotta get a group of like unemployed fat guys to cart and start loading up on your type of toilet paper type of water because look I. It's sad that we're all wired this way. But if you saw some guy just loading up on one brand of water you'd be like I want that too and then right right in a weird way then this becomes part of Lore and it just becomes kind of woven into our consciousness our sub conscious. And it's also kind of like. Yeah this sunny they're talking about. Snl had secret hoarders wouldn't happen. That's right it's very good enough to Sonic Corp Right. And finally they even made The musical guests something that That had been production value miley Cyrus set by a bonfire with red lighting and her. It looked like Kerr guitarist was sitting about six feet away. At least of pink. Floyd's wish you were here. Here's a clip of it. So we'll head lose galls from a and you do smile. Do you think you've been to. Did they get you to go off? Who GO DONALD J J O on a? I was watching this morning. I thought it was fantastic. Good cover yeah good song. Good good choice in songs for this time. She's one of those girls where I'm not attracted to her. But if I saw her in real life I probably would think she was hot. Correct Okay I. I've made this point to think on this show before where I don't think it's a weird splitting hairs. I don't think she's attractive. Good looking but she's sexy. You know what I mean back I. I couldn't be yeah. There are people that look fant pastic in person and she could be that person who looks great in person. I don't know why have that feeling about her. I think I know why. Because she's so she's been so sort of out there like aggressively with the with the craziness and Sorta the hyper sexuality and the kind of rocker chick rebel. And it's just been too much to maybe. Yeah my my Dick would be like a cat with a three year old running around the apartment who just wants to get on top of the refrigerator. Where's that it's on the top of the fridge? She's let's get into harm's way. Yeah scared it's GonNa get stepped on the birds. Yeah like yeah. I'm sexually intimidated by her. But I still I still am. I do not have. I'm not attracted to her aesthetic but I do feel like if I met her. I'd walk away going. She's good looking like I think that's what I would think that's act that. So the twenty two thousand presidential campaign for former Vice President Joe Biden has returned a twenty eight hundred dollars donation from Louis C. K. This is according to the Biden campaign official. Ck Who has acknowledged and apologized for sexually harassing five. Women made the donation early last month as Biden was picking up steam in the primaries the presumptive democratic nominees images taken a couple of hits with his own allegations from the last week or so Last week a former aide to Biden. Terro read a different Tara Reid alleged in interviews with the Associated Press. That Biden sexually assaulted her in the early nineties when he was a senator. The representative for Biden says untrue. That's absolutely did not happen. But apparently cannot handle the stink of twenty eight hundred dollar check from Louis C. K. Cells. Twenty eight the Max or is that just a random number three. I think it is. I think it is. I should have looked it up but I think that is they. Don't want but now it's like now it's a thing it didn't have to be a thing. Yeah I don't know who would have known that maybe we know everything. I don't know how also does that matter. You're running against trump. You know what I mean that kind of stuff matter. The final total either of them are going to be in the tens of millions. Yeah but also in the sort of his a the guys who step over the line sexually. There's a crazy call of terror. Reads MOM calls Larry King which is kind of crazy from from a nineteen ninety three and talking about his daughter. She doesn't bring up. binds name but it is kind of bizarre weird part of this case. You know the problem you know. I'm always complaining about language language language. You know what I mean like sexually assaulted. She was sexually assaulted. And then you're like all right on that. What does that mean what? What does that mean anymore? The way it used used to mean what it meant now could be anything now. It's such a broad definition that yeah we'd probably whoever is out there if you're if you are a champion for women's rights and You would like to protect women broadening the definition of sexual assault so that it could mean almost anything while you think that's helping your cause it's hurting your cause because now when I hear about the politician with sexual assault allegations I go what he do. Put his hand on her thigh. Al Franken honour. Well it's Biden. Did he smell her hair? I mean you know what. Yeah exac played this. This one is this one's a seven. This one's up there. He dropped a couple of jets. Allegedly so there is something. There is some meat on this bone but the the problem is because we call everything sexual assault. Because you were you were trying to get him for sniffing people's hair. Now you tend to stop listening. This one was like a little more aggressive couple of digits Kind of under the dress. Kinda Kinda move. Be The creepy creepy. But it you know. We're I don't know what I don't know what anything means anymore. So I think we're just GONNA probably move on. But it's also a say add. There's a weird sad math. That guys do which is like Show me picture her. Nineteen ninety-three let me help for my opinion which may sound horrible but he has a rally is when you see the sixty two year old version of the person you're like. I don't know what I would. I don't know I gotTa See. Looked like circa one thousand nine hundred ninety three or whenever this period was and then that shapes our opinion right well and then just keep going back to what you said about authenticity. You know it's like does it matter anymore because we have a president who you know admitted this a million times and nobody seems to care but he's not pretending he didn't so if you WANNA be a pillar of the community as a traditional politician does then then people start judging. Apparently we don't judge if you're in on the quote unquote joke. Well this is what we always keep getting back to. Which is if you just kind of own it. Well all right. It's getting back to our Larry David Ellen Ellen Conundrum roaches. We don't mind mean people we mind mean people who dance and pretend they're not mean if you just live it known it like Larry David then. You're Larry David or whoever you are if you are that authentically then that's you are and so you get into situations then where you get someone like Elissa Milano and Elissa. Milano is believe all women all the time. That's the way that's her. That's her rallying. Call that that was kind of. She made her bones on and then she endorses. Biden and then someone goes. Well how about this case? And she goes well due process. We gotta wait. We gotTA wait to. The jury comes back and then rose. Mcgowan who eat you? Don't it's like I don't like rose McGowan or listen? Milano per se. They're both seem pretty annoying. If you really think about it but when rose McGowan says to listen Milano Hey bitch you said believe all women just because you're guys being accused of it now doesn't mean we abandon all women. I at least think that rose McGowan is more authentic right. I go well. She's at least she's consistent. Whatever she's she's been saying so those two got into some kind of twitter dust up I think over over this one but it's a IT'S A. It's an interesting theory in. You're right Biden. Everyone's just going to have to own it and that's a problem too. I don't know Biden. We must have been married in ninety three remarried or whatever that was but either way. I don't know that I don't know that was that matter though. That doesn't matter to me. I mean in this in this case no doesn't matter but you know you think about the presence you think of even dub. Ya and no sorry George. H.w Bush in a wheelchair being accused of inappropriate behavior. Touching People's Butts. And then you think of Clinton of course you have all these presidents Obama eight years not a peep from anybody to see Michelle's arms. I mean on ships. She's Financiera there. Yeah Body Slam his ASS. Yeah no I mean look. It's a IT'S A. It's a window a window of eight years where you just have to go full Mike Pants like I don't go out to dinner with women unless my wife wants me like I photograph. I don't put my arm around. Women take a photograph. I mean that's sadly where where we're at. But also those of you who are into Bush slap and a chick on the but what from his wheelchair or Al Franken pretending to grab titties. Over flack jacket. Just remember when you're accusing everyone of something. Then when something real happens they just joined the huge vast barge of others. Who did nothing in our in our mind because we don't have time to break down the game film also the vetting for Vice President or vice presidential candidate is notoriously rigorous. I'm wondering if this came up in two thousand eight. You're on me WANNA run. Oh running hush money. I'm just wondering if ever a story about this. My point is it would have should have up in the research. This story is she. She's spreading around a little bit. Didn't really get much traction on and then sort of came back recently brought it up again but it didn't get much traction but then the then the people start calling people hypocrites for not giving it the news that it should have gotten. And then that Larry King footage came out which I think kind of gave it gave it some life and Brian. That's a good example of unearthed. Footage there probably is that on earth yes season. Three of the man show from the box set is not on earth. But that Larry King from nineteen ninety-three definitely is all right. Let's do one more Gina. Grand all right some good news for the people who are in blocked down and stay safer at home and all that Jazz You could be fighting with your spouse. You could also be having a lot more sex than you usually do. And we know that the current viruses super duper contagious but according to a new study researchers from the University of Utah Health. Say IT IS UNLIKELY. It can be spread via semen. This is according to a study finds dot org. The study's authors took part in international project that examined a group of Chinese men who had recently tested positive for cocaine nineteen and they found virtually no evidence at the corona virus invades arm of infected men. Researchers cautioned that their work is not comprehensive It's not comprehensive enough to definitely rule out the possibility of a sex-based viral transformation. But it's definitely unlike Zeka and a Bola which apparently were very equipped to spread through stacks. this is potentially a really really good thing and You know just. Don't kiss on the mouth you know it's funny reminding me of something so. Lynette kids as we're taping just went over to Danny two sheets house to celebrate his wife's birthday but I think the deal is the kids. Stay in the car. Lynette stays six feet away from that whatever whatever it is now. Look I'll give you guys a whole bunch of tests results for tomorrow but as it turns out this things much wider than we ever thought and many more people have it than we were wrong. All our how deadly it is estimates. And it's so that if that gap is growing between who has it and whose dying from it it's luck it started off as you know three percent now it's going to be point. Oh something percent but anyway it. It only goes that direction. We'll have a laugh about it soon but I said that Daniel we were on this taxed. I think gives sending like group taxed with Simmons Jimmy Cousin Sal and everybody. They just text off and everyone answers. They're funny answers. And there was one that Jimmy sent and it was some woman in the U. K. And her name is like Katie. Simpson or something like that and She's a horrible person and racist and Baba Blonde. So a COUPLA guys pranked or made like an award. Show for just kind of goofed on her pranked. Earn Jimmy sent that like. Isn't this funny? And I wrote him back. And I said you know I can forgive Ms Simpson her transgressions. But it's really the fault of the of the Dad because dad that names their kid. Katie is asking for trouble because this woman is named Katie. Simpson now Daniel wrote back and said you know. Jimmy Daughter's name is Katie. Don't you and I'm like yes Daniel. It's a joke and you. I said you need to go streaking tonight. Because you have cabin fever yes. I I've known Katie. Since she was a year old. And yes when I and when I answered Jimmy that will. I was making a joke about Kim naming his daughter Katie. Not Not but yes. I definitely aware that. And he just wrote back and he went. Yeah I do I gotta go streaking. Like he's I think he's going and saying that house because he's he he is very much into humor and there's no way he wouldn't. He wouldn't have got that Joe. Two months ago right. There's a- there's something something going on. That made him an able to get that joke. Sorry so Okay D- Hopkins. Yeah that was her. Rob Lowe is coming up neck. Oh nothing yeah. He's great and by the way He didn't need to be so nice but would've loved him anyway. As the loving spoonful song goes but he was such a nice guy really credible. Sometimes do you guys ever know? Says I've noticed it a couple of times with women and occasionally with guys. They're so sometimes. The incredibly good looking people are Super Nice. I think just a blow your mind cause like George Clooney is Super Nice. And when when when the fat guy with the male pattern bald spot is nice. You don't go. That sick about it at Gerry. Nice why not. I'm nice. He's not but when when the super good looking people are Super Nice. You can show guy. Which is you going? They don't have to have to be nice. It can be even look at their July. Yeah Super Villain Right. There would have to make any straight man's hall pass list Yes yes and is exquisitely friendly but again if he was super dumpy looking. Maybe I wouldn't be going so hard. On how Dicey. Well it's true. You really only do that with the really good looking people men and women if there's a really good looking woman and she's moderately. Nice you go she soon. Yi Ay Amy. Schumer has a bit about how everyone thinks. Kate Upton hilarious arrive at all but oh she's a Larry is. She was like get ready to lose like being sarcastic right now. Everyone thinks she's a comedian. Right all you have to be is a little bit self deprecating. 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Episode 79 Elections over. What does anything mean?
"Hey Sandy. It is eight fifty eighty five. PM on the West Coast who it is eleven fifty five pm on the eastern time zone which is of course not that the East Coast Halen Canada and Maxine Bay has lots to see. That's all we have for you. Everybody say and Phagocytes of laws. You good night. No we got a little bit more than that doughy. Yes Oh my God we so do so tonight we are going to take you into the analysis is that you will not get anywhere else and you will wake up to this news tomorrow morning because they are so efficient that we're GONNA get this year's biennial probably like two o'clock eleven o'clock depending where you're listening to us and and we're going to tell you what you need to know about this new minority government. Okay so we have been talking about a minority government for how long now Noura. How long have we been saying that? This should end up as a minority should and would A while. I think it's in awhile and I think the technical term has been a minute. It has been a minute since we have been saying that. This is the way it should and would go and I feel good about our clairvoyance skills but more than that about the way that okay. I'm not GonNa say I feel good one hundred percent but I do feel encouraged by the people who have rejected the idea of strategic strategic for voting that being said not everybody rejected but a minority government. I think after this election after the last four years that we've had is gonNA be a good thing a good thing for Canada. Yes minority government so those that is music catoon my ears. I love it. I love the message that it sends the Liberals which is that Canadians are not happy with their performance aunts and it takes away ultimate power from them and so that is going to be what defines the next. We don't know how many two years because it's a minority government. Yes and so even though the Liberals did not make good on their promise to get rid of of the first-past-the-post-system create electoral system where they would be forced to work with other parties. In order to put policy through any major party that would have won and under a proportional representation system would have had to do some work to work with other parties in order to pass policies. So and I. I hope that that means that there will be at least some sort of discussion on changing our electoral system. That is one of the things at the end. Ep has put out as something at the end of the liberal government will have to commit to in order to get their support in the house totally. Yes so you're listening to this. It's the day after the election. Were of course recording it. Now it's midnight and just to kind of locate us in in where the numbers are because the numbers are still could change. But you know we're on the same page so we have a three hundred sixteen. Three hundred thirty eight writings have been called by the Canadian Press. Plus and that has placed the liberals at one hundred fifty six seats and they need one hundred and seventy seats to have have their majority so that is not going to happen all of the media networks have called a minority government and when you have minority government you have to work with other parties to form government and so it's actually really exciting how distributed the numbers are with the other parties. And we'll we'll talk a little little bit more about The individual parties I think in a bit but with the MVP the twenty four seats they could form majority the the Greens have three three That's not enough to form majority. But they could potentially all work together Jodie Wilson rebel. Looks like she's GonNa get elected tonight. That has not been called. But she's leading and the block has thirty two seats and so it looks actually like the story of tonight is that the Conservatives are going to be very officially marginalized in the legislature and so I think that's great honestly. I think that's what a marvellous thing to happen. And so learn how sheer for is absolutely done APO. He's so gone so gone. Yeah so good by most McKay is probably in his closet now now sizing up his clothes. Yes he's like now. which which suit am I gonNA wear tomorrow in my coming out as the person who's he's GonNa try to vie for the next leadership because I mean come on like as Sinc- laflin black phase? I mean they tried to pretend that they cared about racism. Even unlike this conservatives were trying so hard you know massive massive promises that were broken by the liberals endorsements mint across the media for the Conservative Party. And you manage to fuck it up this hard goodbye sheer uh-huh well I have to. I have to though unfortunately remind everybody that they have actually increased the number of seats that they had which is interesting because it comes at the expense of I think all of the parties actually They've increased their number of seats from ninety five to one hundred and twenty-one one except they've decreased the amount of power they have because that coalition is going to necessarily work in opposition opposition to the Conservative Party. It's not likely that the Conservatives and liberals will work together on to too much if the MVP remains strong and says as we will bring you down if you for example scrap the carbon tax or support another pipeline or whatever So I think I am actually not ready to say that she is gone John. I think that we will see but definitely there are people tonight. Oh Yeah I mean. We don't disagree often so let's put that down as bed but on on that one. Okay what's next should be talked about. I mean I don't want to do the anymore. Time to maxine. Bring Abe. It should be say anything about the dairy farmers the paramour I don't know. Do you have anything to say. Yeah yes so the thing that everybody everybody outside of Quebec needs to understand is that Bernie had a very difficult fight from the beginning. He was given his writing by his father his father there was a longtime conservative. MP and name recognition was a big deal and so Bernier when he ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party like he didn't even have the support of his in writing because he took the The dairy industry supply management which is the management of the of the dairy industry He made enemy number one for his new party and also actually during his leadership race. And so- Bernier Las. Not because there was like some great anti-racist push to make him lose and I think people need to remember this the the People's Party or the PPO party did fucking too well across the board in this country and the fact that they didn't win any seats is not necessarily proof that they completely failed because they were covered like like a legitimate fucking party and in the end didn't even get the leader seat which was supposed to be safe. which again if you're washing Quebec politics? He'd knew it was not safe. The other thing that you know we have to share it of course is the Rhinoceros Party who ran someone name Maxim Barney in that room stand up to the my Nassir is partly the and they remind us that that civil disobedience and creative tactics or actually fucking great and you know that didn't make the difference between Bernie winning or losing but fucking could have and four sure. There's a lot of people that believe. Just voted the wrong. Burn as so. That's awesome very awesome. Okay so what's next any other upsets. We should talk about well. I think it's worth for sure talking about some of the people that were super happy to see lose. We can talk with people. Were having St win but I suspect that people will want to hear what does this all mean and so what. What does this mean for social movements would to be learned from these results tonight? Where do we go from here? And how do we influence a completely new regime that you know. There's a lot of Canadians. That don't have memory of what it's like to live in a minority government and fuck the last minority government. We have the harbor government that just paroled the shit out of it when they were like like. Oh my God the other parties are ganging up against us. Perot broke right right. Okay so one last one last I guess race to it. Just talk about before we move onto that or maybe two. Maybe we should talk about. The Green Party's increase in seats. Yeah but I really WanNa talk about Lisa Lisa rate by Lisa rate by. Yuck I I I will not miss you in Milton. She has lost her seat. And that's a major upset for the Conservative Party Of course she is the deputy leaders that is a big big fucking deal that she lost her seats And I think that it would be great to see her. Go the way of Sheila Copps and be the weird person tweeting on twitter about the Conservative Party. I share ninety percent of that sentiment. I I think that one thing we need to be a be watching is what impact does it have for the Conservative Party to lose such a moderate conservative voice. Because she's one of the few people that would actually say that you know she's pro choice. Conservatives will not open the The the abortion debate Blah Blah Blah and and her exit from caucus. I think is going to the and the combination with the party the P. Party of fucking disappearing. I actually I think this is going to be Opening the door to arise in really far right Ideas being mainstreamed more mainstream by the Conservative Party. So Oh yeah I think that the the right wing response to what has happened tonight because at the end of the day like so much of this vote it has gone Or so much of the power of the vote because the popular vote actually the Conservatives have should have had the most seats So far at this point in the night at nine Oh eight on the west coast Midnight after midnight on the East Coast. Ah The the right is going to be really really upset about this. And I think that we can see in the next couple of years at this Minority you will likely last. It usually doesn't last for more than two years and I you know I imagine that will not change I think that we're gonNA see some really the intense right wing organizing and so there's going to be a lot That people on the left are going to have to do to force the type of policies that we need to see he come from Minority Government led by Justin Trudeau And and to stave off some of the the really negative effects of a sort of backlash from the right that that could be looming After two years maybe three Of this government absolutely especially if people learn the law the wrong lessons of Bernie as defeat and of the P P party's ladies defeat like we have been fed from the mainstream press this this narrative that they're legitimate party and again they're they're a social movement like any social movement and they're not going to go away from this. It's a huge blow for them to lose a burn as seat in the House of Commons. So it's really really great that he lost but they're going to mutate into something else and and we cannot lose sight of that reality and we have to organize in confront their racist logic their talking points and and identify when we see those those talking points not racist logic appear in the mainstream we gotta talk about the MVP because they think that there's going to be a lot of folks tonight Feeling a bit disappointed that the excitement around the end ep did not translate late in to An orange wave right and so what happen. What do you think happened but do you think thank his? I mean like I'm pretty disappointed to see the numbers coming out of Toronto. The numbers coming out of Montreal are also disappointing. I haven't look at what's going on in Vancouver so while you start to give your answer. I'm going to check that out so we have to start Quebec where the end EP walked into this election. Action with fifteen seats and they're walking out of it with only one The only managed to save themselves one seat which present hose mall held old by Alexander. Lucas that meant that they lost a geek at home. They lost Up here do so and Sherbrooke. They've lost Ruth Ellen Brosseau in Berthier Meskini Jai and so what does that mean. I mean there's going to be a lot of people that give their opinion on this in the next couple couple of days and I think from my perspective as someone that has been watching the way the end EP interacts with Quebec. Since I moved here which was right after the orange wave in two thousand and twelve that the party. The party took the long the wrong lessons from two thousand eleven. And I I know this because I argued with hundreds of party activists this over this question that they're that the block support went right to the end. Ep because because the province was fiercely Anti Stephen Harper Arbor and they were ready to vote for a party. That was also anti Stephen Harper may have been able to get the kinds of of of support outside right of Quebec to actually formed government and so that was really behind the shift of the orange wave. Now the end. EP didn't didn't organize in Quebec. They they they weren't here they didn't they. Didn't you have any spokespeople that were that. Were high profile. They didn't have people comment. I mean it was anyway episode. How frustrated with the MVP and how they treat Quebec or how they've dealt with Quebec but a lot of that got forgotten Because of course bill twenty one in the religious symbols issue took center stage because obviously early Jagmeet wears of religious symbol and that was a big problem for a lot of people in this province who support the ban on religious symbols in in in various. Yes public positions of authority. And you'll that supports at Lake fucking seventy percents with a lot of people in the province and the MVP didn't do the necessary educational work to stop up that To to maintain these seats now maybe it would have been possible for them to maintain their seats. Pian Del Who defected from the end? EP went into the Green Party. He also lost a seat tonight and so I think that English Canada the left in English Canada does not have a good read on how to interact. The left in Quebec is a long age old story but the but the collapse of the of the party in this province really is related. I think to organizing organizing and a lack of education and racism and And I really hope that the party learns the right lessons though. My fingers crossed because I've seen them not lose out for two elections and so for our listeners in Quebec I mean what do we need to tell them to do over the next a couple of years because I hear you saying that education is going to be a really big piece A lot of anti racist work seems to be need to be done over. The next couple of years work around religious symbols generally obviously needs to be done in Quebec. What else needs to be done in Quebec? It's definitely all all of that and I think that That the end EP and this is obviously the case for everyone in Canada the MVP needs to think of itself as a movement party again. It has been in far too long that they've forgotten why they exist and the way that they can access people's hearts and minds and I think that it's been easy for them. Mm to forget that in the rest of Canada because movements have been so weak and because they had such success with like flashy centrist campaigns specifically around Jacqueline and in Quebec there still are social movements. I mean there's there's a nascent Really left wing party in this province and and there's a lot of political lessons to learn from how they organized which is like very grassroots which is focusing on lots of issues that's not focusing on fundraising and that's actually in communities and learning about what the what the issues that people care about. I mean it's kind of like you know organizing one on one but on the anti racism stuff I mean. It is so critical that the the party is engaged in not struggle across the province. I it's maybe a tall order because you know the party still has no resources. They're the same party. Hardy entered this campaign And I I don't know what kind of Ability activists will be able to have to engage. But I know you know in Quebec City city. I have not seen the MVP around these struggles and And they should be there. Are activists here and so that kind of discussions within the Party needs to happen and fuck ditch the provincial and ep because that's a direct confrontation actually down. It's like my guys that's a fucking bad idea. It was a bad idea. You crash and burn. Like do not resurrect resurrect shit. I think that was a really good analysis. And I imagine that there's GonNa be some folks who support the end EP. Who are listening into her podcast and who may also have another analysis about The type of work that other parties have been doing to eat into their support. And maybe that sort of analysis really speaks to you because a acknowledges that yeah there are other forces forces out there whether it be liberal saying you have no choice but to vote strategically and so you can't vote with your heart for Jagmeet you have to vote for the least of the the worst the least worst of the worst Which is Justin Trudeau or whomever or maybe I'll point to You know the the the national post media deciding to take a more conservative bend whatever it is And you'll say a maybe you'll think hey I hear you saying that the MVP didn't do enough. But I'm more comfortable thinking about this other stuff. I'm going to challenge you to not do that. I'm going to challenge you to like like yes. Some of those things can affect. How Oh this all turned out but I WANNA challenge folks to just to lean into a man? I didn't WanNa say I wanna I challenge you. Don't leave that in Norway at it or maybe it should. I don't care whatever I'm telling you folks to focus on the stuff that we can do you and just to to know that it's it's not a bad thing to like look and say okay. Let's do postmortem. Where could we do? Better perhaps perhaps we should have spent a little bit more timing back. Perhaps we should have spent a little bit more time doing some education word. Perhaps after the leadership debate instead of folks being really upset who were in different camps other than jug meets works to. This started a little bit earlier. Do you know what I mean like. I just think maybe maybe be. Maybe people should have should have rallied around what was possible a little bit earlier and things perhaps would look a little bit different. I don't know I'm not saying one hundred percent. I'm not part of the party. y'All know what's going on in their more than I do but I'm I'm just saying it makes. There is nothing you can do if you just believe that this is all the fault of of stuff. That's happening outside of of your control so you might as well just believe that it's in your control you might as well because at the end of the day the worst case scenario is that you you work on a a bunch of Shit that you think is in your control and you improve it and it doesn't work that's the worst case. SCENARIO THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS UBER on a bunch of Shit should. That's in your control. You improve it and it changes. What's possible in the next couple of years and I mean come on like look at the last couple of weeks of this campaign campaign? It was so like refreshing and exciting to see someone who seemed a lot more real that spoke to people who were voting for the first time generation Z.. In even millennials who maybe would have shunned voting before. But we're kind of interested in what was happening like that's very useful stuff. You have another couple of years at to build on what was built in. The last few weeks don't lose that don't lose that yeah and maybe Quebec is not a great example because it feel feels like it was so impossible to win because the work hadn't been done but in in ridings where the work had been done far before this election People fucking one right eight and so this has been my biggest frustration with with the and DP and I and I want to talk about The difference between the beginning of the campaign and the end of the campaign and the forces that shaped the change of of of of how different the campaign ended. But it you know when the Party did not have people nominated aided the START I was like why in the fuck not. Why did you have these people in place two years ago? Because if you look at the work that someone like Matthew a few green has been doing congratulations matthew. He has Or League Zan. WHO also has one tonight in in in Winnipeg centre -gratulations League Zan? These are folks thought that that obviously organized. I mean Liz nomination. Shen of victory was at a meeting. Where a thousand people came out there is a real race and real dislike difficult bunch of organizing and unfortunately way too many writings got far too last minute and there were problems with vetting candidates in all kind of stuff and it just like put the brakes on what should have been a party that has momentum and in this is where I get super cynical because you know watching the election in two thousand fifteen had? The election happened at five at the five week. Mark Thomas mulcair would have actually fuck in done very well because if you remember. It wasn't until like this seven week. Mark that the liberals surged and then they surge right into the eleven week mark and the Liberals jumped off cliff or the the MVP jumped off a cliff. And I'm afraid that the party ran this campaign in the same way except the hype hype and excitement around. Jimmy Sing launched that strategy into the stratosphere by accident like not because they plan to do it and by accident I mean there there are three major forces one was jagmeet himself and his performance. The second was the climate it's strikes right And the third and the Third World was was the frustration that Canadians had in general with allies allies from the the Liberal Party and so they were looking for something that was more exciting and of course the other key things fed into the the third factor. Going off the charts and you know like like just that alone. That one factor alone. It should have been like. I think that the liberal should've lost more seats. I don't know if that's where you're like I just I feel like like that's a failure of organizing of like everyone else everyone else. Not just the people I literally everybody else but you know they were it was. Is there for everybody else to to pick up on their failures and it's it's really surprising that you know they did so well. Actually I don't know. Are you surprised I. I'm not surprised because the Liberals are you're very. They have a very powerful brand and they have an extremely sophisticated Pulling the vote system right and so at the end of the day the default of the Liberals when they're in a very strong position is that they're going to do well and the the the scandals in this election I mean nothing was surprising I like the the black face stuff was the most surprising in the liberals went. fucking ultra on the defensive to make it fine. I mean Judy fucking scrotum just I mean screw a re one right so i. I'm not totally surprised. I mean I'm in liberal riding in Quebec City. I'm a bit surprised that declaw one to be honest because the block was really close but But you know the Conservatives lost in the writing adding next door which is great and the block on there so fuck she. Should we talk about the popular vote. Well I think we can't. We cannot leave this little bit of talking without talking about the popular vote and of course how that plays into the Greens and into electoral reform So right eight now at Nine twenty three PM on the West Coast Twelve just twelve twenty three p Ah twelve twenty three. AM where Nora is. Yeah you're welcome every fucking buddy gets wake me up tonight. I'm going to be so pissed. So Oh past We've got the liberals at as the seat projection is one fifty. Six popular. Vote is is thirty three percent a third a third the conservative seat projection is one one twenty one with the popular vote at thirty four percent. Also third fuck also a third a straw a slightly stronger third the block at thirty two with with a popular vote of eight percent. Yeah although we have to the the block. You have to generalize across Quebec and I don't have the I I think people understand that. It's your magic yeah okay yes the MVP at twenty five of seats projected with sixteen percent of the vote. The green with three seats projected. Just pretty major for them Six percent of the vote other. jodie Wilson rebelled With with one projected. See that's why Judy Wilson rebuilds. Because it's only one which with the Canadian Press Informs me point seven seven six percent of the vote. There's no one else worth mentioning. So if you're listening closely you'll you'll note that the Conservatives have have a higher Proportion of the popular vote in the Liberals do liberals however will get the first crack at forming government from Governor Governor General and generally the everything from the center to the left's There's more popular support for that then then for for conservatives but what that means is my goodness what would have happened. Didn't if the Liberal Party's had the liberal party had kept their promise back in Twenty fifteen mourned her full will question. I have some numbers while have one number The end ep had they got numbers based on the popular vote. They would actually have love more than double the seats that they are reporting to have right now they would have fifty four seats instead of twenty five fifty four seats. Imagine what that would do. Do I mean we've talked previously on this show about the power of minority government to affect Significant policy change again. If you hadn't heard haven't heard talk about this before. It is the reason why we have healthcare. It's the reason why we have a pension program and I hope you know in the next ex couple years. It's going to be the reason why we have a Pharma Care Program or the reason why we have a childcare program like this is really important but we have to wait until until we have years like the year that we've just had an election like the election that we've just had For that sort of compromise between parties to create the necessary political conditions For those types of policies to take place so right now The MVP has said that to support a liberal government and it is likely going to be the support that the liberal government is going to need to pass any initiatives that what what is what. They're you know. What's non negotiable is a universal Pharma? Care Plan and national dental care plan investments in housing action on money laundering and attacks on foreign speculators which are driving up housing markets in particular in Toronto and Vancouver beginning to tackle student debt. So annoyed by that one. We can talk about that on another show. Who by whoever wrote that by taking all interest student loans current and future? Oh God we're GonNa fucking regret that one current and future. Did you hear me when I said that. Current significant lack of previous use of a bold plan and concrete action to fight the climate crisis which means ending subsidies to big oil committing meeting to science based targets and helping workers during the transition from fossil fuels which which is nothing super specific. But we'll see what what is made of that making cell phone and Internet bills more affordable by putting in place a price cap cool ensuring the super wealthier paying their fair share by by introducing super wealthy Super Wealth Tax superwealthy tax supertax. So those are the conditions that the MVP has laid out to support the Liberals in the event that the liberals neither support which they will. And so I really do hope. But that's you know that we get some of that stuff happening in the next couple years but if we did have a system that was not first past the post this would be par for the course. It wouldn't be something that we had to wait for or that would be weird or unusual. That happened every time that we remember that there there would be a minority government. If we didn't just listen to the liberals saying that we had to strategically vote all the time totally. I mean this. This is the most important lesson to learn from tonight's results The polls were all right. Pretty much actually like they were putting the Liberals and conservatives in a dead heat and popularity they are in that heat and the liberals will emerge as the victors and the MVP. The Greens and Judy Wilson rebelled and the the block. I mean the block of land interesting role Will have the ability to actually do some very fucking good shit especially on the environment because those parties ladies are more or less united on the need to make change and they can strong arm the liberals into making that change if they are sophisticated enough and if they can negotiate their way into doing what is right and what is necessary and I guess that the Segue into talking about how power from the ground needs to be used in targeted to make sure that the parties all do what. They said that they will do and what Canadians need them to do. And this is the most most important time to do that in a minority government situation. Everyone's on their toes because the election could becoming in the next three months literally. I mean it won't but it could and so given that reality Parties are going to try to be on their best behavior. So that means if there's any little lil social movements on the ground that are out there trying to make a party look bad. They're gonNA do everything they can to try to quiet such a social social movement and let me tell you how the easiest way to quiet a social movement should just do what they want. This is an excellent opportunity. See for organizers on the ground to get a lot of necessary things that we need done to support people on the ground Done like now is the time to really ramp up our our organizing And you know like the next election and which again it will happen before for years is up you know no minority government millette. There's no case where there will be a minority government that lasts for years. It will fall before four years is this is what movements are going to need to push for the things that we really really want and also oh also crucial to remember in this. This two year period is all the burgeoning social movements that have been created by young people over the last few years whether that be the movements from the youth who walked out of their high school classrooms to to the movements. It's of climate change. That have really begun to to blossom over the last couple of years. You know what Nora Aura said in our previous podcast just before this one that the old guard parties are looking at the end of the way politics six have been have been going in this country for years. That's true in these next couple of years. I think it's really crucial for us. As organizers people on the ground who really care about one another about creating adjusts -iety. It's really crucial that we ah take the opportunity of this next two years and force the sort sort of social change that we need to see for one another and everything's really well placed for for this right like the the the this is where the MVP needs to really think hard about the the way that their campaign took off in the middle in the middle of the campaign like Jug. Meat is like a favored celebrity type individual. He's popular especially among on young people and so that is going to help launch parties power in the public consciousness In a way that will actually really allow them to negotiate really In a in a in a in a position of strength with the Liberals but the party also has to like not forget get that that style and And the the the the leader having popularity is not good enough on on. Its own that there has to be a strong base to that they have to be connected to the grassroots they have to be connected to social movements. There can't be any missteps on talking king. About like Oh you know the GNA pipelines okay but added Transcanada pipelines. Bad or any of this kind of stuff like they have to be very clear and now now is the time to really look at your promises and see what are those things that will make the biggest impact I mean if I was working for the MVP. Oh say electoral electoral reform in the environment for now and pick a lot of different issues that they can just improve from the for the Liberals and Fuck Yo you you guys got to figure out what your relationship is with the Greens. Because I mean I remain super firm and my physician that both parties do far more to hurt one another and the left Separate than they would if they were together. That's we already talked about that so you can check out that episode from a couple of weeks ago while I think that's about it that's wrap on what we're able to say tonight. I mean well there's one other thing. Oh okay well. This is just a real as episode. We thought it was going to be short. This is just a regular as episode. So go ahead. I'm I'm just GonNa throw this at you because I think that we really can't ignore the biggest loser of the election. which was the Canadian media? Yes Sir I like I love that framing. Guess the biggest loser is the Canadian media. I agree Oh my God okay. Tell me where you're headed with this. Well I think that it's important for us to kind of look at missteps from the press at how they tried to define certain issues that people were like not having That they defined other issues that were like ill defined. They completely ignored so many critical issues and instead talked about Shit like Andrew. Shears fucking citizenship or I mean I don't even actually can't even remember all milk Yeah I mean. At least you're GonNa talk one mill that you can talk about. Supply management like explain the system. People explain why there's so much fucking opposition to whatever. We're why the fuck can't get cheese anymore. That's made in Canada like fuck that. Actually yes like there is a way to talk about these. He's resources in a way that matters to the people who are both producing them and consuming them but that is not how he talks about milk in this election at at all also maxime Bernier. The media created the People's Party of Canada in totally and it's really fucked up that they did that and then spent a bunch of time tonight. talking about giving space to his fucking concession speech. He was a joke he was always joke. He was never for real and Y'all created him and nothing is more clear about that than the motherfucking results in which he only had one seat that he was possibly going to win and he didn't even get that yeah. And the last couple of days the biggest scandal that journalists covered. I mean this was just so indicative. How completely fucked up you people story are- but was this whole scheme about the Conservatives Hiring Shit Lord Warriors Morgan Sela to take down the People's Party and I don't want to get into that issue I think it's fucking not worth talking about? But there is a comment made on course. It's not just like who the fuck cares. There is besides me and Norah. Zero People Zero fucking role party. Justin Trudeau Liberal Party. That's it no one else cares. Otherwise it's just something interesting that northern and I like talk about For literally less than two seconds on Facebook Messenger Wendy. Yeah but besides that nobody cares. No help he cares. And there was this damning tweet that I believe Katie Simpson put up from CBC. She said that that they had they had asked conservatives. They asked Inter share about this. This lake like nefarious campaign to take down the poor innocent people's Party of Canada. They asked him twenty three times. Twenty when he fucking three. How many times do you think they asked Trudeau a Saudi weapons program? Do you think we can find twenty three times over the course of that. I would be surprised if you twenty three but there's no fucking way with twenty three times in the morning. How many times do you suicides in indigenous communities? How many times do you think even for Water Gas Twenty Three fucking times? No no isis like just pissed media like come on. y'All get get it together like I. I saw an article about what has been happening to justify does hair over the years and but I know it's not all you media I know that there's some producers somewhere who is like assigning it to you. The person person who had to put their name on that article being like okay. This is what you're doing and they're like fuck my whole life. I get it. This is this. This is new lows of disaster. Like there was so much to talk about in this election. That was not talked about anything that had to do with migrant rights like. I can't believe that that wasn't talked about. Given how Justin Trudeau managed managed to justify how he was different than trump. And how like all of the support that he got over the years for being the type of person who is accepting of different communities and juxtaposing that with his record what an opportunity for journalists to expose something like that To make it an issue in this election you know there was You know Activists who were running in this election who've been been doing work on these issues all their lives and I. I'm just so disappointed in the media for not focusing on the issues that people who live above the forty ninth parallel desperately need need to be focused on In an election like this it's pretty reprehensible. Yeah and I I. I want to identify two issues that I am I I am. I'm honestly scandalized. That they did not come up in this election at fucking all they kind of relate to what you just said the first is that this is the first election that was held since an act of mass terror happened at a mosque in Saint Walk. uh-huh and that did not come up at all at all the the idea that that that six people can gun down in a mosque in a Canadian city should have been an election issue. We should have heard way fucking more on gun control on on the rise of the far-right and on hatred and on social isolation mental health. Like there's so many issues that were wrapped up into what happened at at the at the at the Islamic Cultural Center in Saint Paul. And it didn't come up once not fucking wants in somehow fucking warned seller was a bigger a bigger fucking deal than that. And that just makes me disgusted and so I mean fuck everybody. That didn't even think that that's an issue. And the second issue is is what has has been the life experience of the Syrian refugees who come to Canada and who've been settled. We've heard nothing about that and I mean I'm close close by my my family Sponsored I mean I had nothing to do with it. So it's all like my family's really great sponsored a family and so I hear some of the stories stories but what they're experiencing what their friends are experiencing and it's it's not good rate. We that whole family that died in a fire in Halifax DOUKAS. There's been nothing nothing talking about this. This this the the supports that have been given to to to not just of course Syrian refugees in general when they come to Canada through private private sponsorship or through public sponsorship. That didn't register at fucking all considering. How much space that journalists have given to like scaring people about refugees and rising imigrants grants and all my God and Blah Blah Blah and giving credence to the far right conspiracy theories but using different language? Like it is a fucking shame that that those issues did not come up at all all at all at all at all. And and that's a failure of the media really and just to add one more is the issue of all of the Haitian refugees who were detained After attempting to cross the border and around Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen eighteen and started to wane Coming into twenty seventeen. The fact that that stuff wasn't talked about or discussed in the In the media during this campaign was also ashamed given that that that given that that was one of the largest detentions Of people crossing the border in Canadian history. So you know there's all sorts of ways that the media could have covered all sorts of issues that were should have been top of mind in this election. you know the abortion the last abortion clinic closing in in New Brunswick As well is one that you know did get some some press coverage but probably not as much as the Warren Casella new the Falko right right like like. There's just so many things that are really affecting people who desperately need some sort of policy chefs and it is such a fucking embarrassment. Such a fucking embarrassment. And it's just fucking disrespectful actually the That the media You chose to cover the election in the way that it did. And that sort of thing leaves this stuff off the hook it creates personalities like maxine Brunette it creates conditions. Were the Liberals can expect to win again and again and again and it should not be allowed. Continue Yup Yup Yup Yup and I mean that this is a really long episode. Actually yeah more different much different than what we expected. He knew we had it in us. Perhaps Rosaiah been drinking. I don't know here we are. This is what I want to thank everybody who found us during the election. Because we know that we've got new listeners as a result of the election. I hope that you stick around. I hope that you keep listening. And keep giving us feedback as well for what kind of stuff you want to hear about. Because when there's no election we talk about a lot of different stuff and If you're a long-time listener and you've been with us since the start. Thank you so so so so much. Thank you and I guess. We'll return to regular programming You know next week. We'll talk about I don't know Maybe maximum Bernie starting partying and getting on the national a just regular shit regular shit Yeah
October 22: The shadows and the doubt
"This is a CBC podcast at Franklin Templeton. We help you invest in companies that treat every milestone like a steppingstone reach for better Franklin, Templeton investments. Hello. I'm Megan Williams. Sitting in for Carol off. Good evening. I'm Jeff Douglas. This is as it happens. The podcast addition. Tonight, the shadows and the doubt after weeks of denial Saudi Arabia finally claims Jamal Khashoggi's killers acted on their own and that the crown prince was oblivious. But the world has responded within credulity order of disappearance, a waiter woman living in the US fears for her sister and aunt who vanished from their homes in China, because she believes the authorities sent them to internment camps in retaliation for her own activism. Home improvement to former end EP elected mayor of Vancouver after a campaign that centered on affordable housing and tonight Kennedy Stewart explains how hill tackle the problem a life or death situation for years after corporal, Nathan Sorolla was killed in oughta wa. One of the people who tried to save him speaks about her pain and about her desire to inspire others. A monologue becomes a dialogue after sharing her own meat. Two experiences, Halifax newspaper columnist. Leslie low is surprised to get a letter of apology from a man who assaulted her thirty years ago and Oxy ladies. A dairy farmer creates glamor shots showcasing his cows and picturesque locations. And given the state of his industry puts his faith in bovine providence as it happens. The Monday addition radio that introduces you to his significant others. That is Saudi Arabia's story and they're sticking to it after claiming for weeks that they had no clue what happened to journalists, Jamal kashogi after he went into their consulate, the Saudis have finally put out a new story. They now say he was murdered, but that his killing was a quote rogue operation that happened without knowledge of crown prince. Mohammad bin Salman here is Saudi foreign minister Abdallah Jubeir speaking on Fox News, we had a individual who came to the consulate. He was approached by this Howdy security team. He they told us that he left the consulate. They came back to Jade with how the report to that effect. The ping then directed the public prosecutor to launch an investigation which he did about nine days ago. He discovered that there were discrepancies, discovered that he was killed in the consulates. We don't know the in terms of details how we don't know where the body is. The public prosecutor then. Without orders to detain eighteen individuals for questioning and possibly pacing trial. We are determined to uncover every stone. We are determined to find out all the facts, and we are determined to punish those who are responsible for this for this murder and to ensure that something that this can never happen. Again, Xiaodi foreign minister Abdul l. Jubeir on Fox News. Now not many, foreign governments are accepting Saudi Arabia's story at face value. And last night Germany announced it would not approve new arms exports to the kingdom until further. Notice and Canada is under pressure to stop the sale of armored vehicles to the kingdom. Omid Nora. Poor is a German member of parliament who sits on the country's committee on foreign affairs. We reach Mr. neuro poor in heaven, Heim Germany, Mr. Nori, poor. We just heard Saudi's foreign minister reiterating the country's latest story about what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. What do you make of that explanation? I just can't believe that the thinking that they would come in ity could could buy that. They say they had been in dispute and, and these guys died and cut himself with two pieces. I have no idea what, what they think, why we should by that. And I think that it's now time to understand that are not able or not ready to be assisted a question. What happened to if we Joel this in the general reality somewhat. Is there any way that you could believe that crown prince Mohammed bin Salman would not have been aware of an operation like this. This is a country Redick wearing t hierarchy, which has been absolutely constructed for these one guy for 'em Bs for the last two or three years, and having couple of his bodyguards having one of his closest at why this day being part of the secure so called security team just can't imagine how it comes that that they think we would believe that there has nothing to do with the case of of this month emerged today that the team sent to Turkey even a body double who apparently wore Mr. Cusco, jeez, close, and walked around eastern Bill after the killing. What does this say about the how premeditated or sophisticated this operation was he's a Parisian was prepared and Dev you. It's obvious that you just do not take people who look like other people into a place. You accept utter calm, and it's obvious that they even had. Abon Saul with him to Erade any evidence in the courts. The evidence I have no idea where to sell you think with by studios an accident and an dispute. While everybody's seeing that if prepared to cast this guy and Tim, your country, Germany announced that it would not approve new arms exports to Saudi Arabia. Do you feel that that decision goes far enough? I think this is a good starter for my government which always try to sell off to Saudi Arabia, and the case of Kosovo is of course the peak often iceberg, you know, a bunch of he's not to sell to say Avia the human life situation in the country is very bad shape. They're wanting him and boming in a very poor country into the stone age, our border reasons, and I'm happy that my government still is trying to wake up in this moment. Germany is is send it won't approve future. Arms exports, but you are going to stick to to your commitment so far that is existing trade deals that that will continue to go through. Do you want those cancelled as well? You know, sodas gave his signature that, for example, Jim boats won't be used for people Kate of Yemen, which is part of the disaster, the country because people do not get an in nutrition in the country because it look as if site now we see that there are also using this street of Ogden also for for the CPA, Kate, so they are breaking their promises. I think this is a Molin. My government should not only say that they won't sell homes to say the AB anymore. But to question to the fact that stale, they got a lot of things and they are fusing it that they got from German, how much is this decision going to cost Germany. Financially, I can tell you, but, but you know, the Saudi Arabia is breaking the DSP hat. So it's obvious. That's the most important thing now is the question of our sovereignty and not a question of home. Any weapons will buy for the future and how? How might the Saudis retaliate? I have no idea what's going on there, and I know that they are very sensitive in the bad way. I remember Canada creed. His is to human rights, each relation in Saudi Arabia, which should be normal. We didn't get word community that they tried to to to psych magnate heart and very disappointed of my own foreign minister that he never stepped up to two. So any solidarity with Canada and such difference to such a difficult moment? I remember late well, having the foreign minister of Canada in early Africa for the. And not getting any any assets that I think this is not all democracies have to to stand together and five by what the Saudis trying. This is mainly dividing us and and pushing us to the edge by by the business they have in Canada does have a deal with Saudi Arabia, and it's right now feeling the pressure to cancel its own armored vehicles that it sends to Saudi Arabia. What would you say to our government about that deal? I would love to see that invest in the multis democracies work on the credibility, and that means that this shouldn't be arms which are used in Yemen. Killing a nation of the poorest in it is are are discussing also be shouldn't deliver any things which are using this whore. Okay. With Donald Trump saying repeatedly that he won't get in the way of. Of the, you know, those those hundreds of billions of dollars in arms deals with with Saudi Arabia. The amount at stake for Germany obviously is is, is a lot less. I mean, it's it's under half a billion dollars. Can we consider this move? Mainly symbolic. No, this is a question of what kind of partnership we want and have you have to show to the today to Saudis that. Times, Dell is no business as usual, and this is not only about a question of of setting. It's a question of what kind of partner could sell Arabia beat. Thanks very much for speaking with me today. Mr. Nori poor, thank you. Nuri. Poor is a German member of prominent. We reached him in happen, Heim, Germany also today Canada's foreign affairs minister. Christie Freeland was asked about Jamal show g. and the sale of light armored vehicles to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Here is part of what the minister had to say. There are very important questions. About the entire relationship with Saudi Arabia that need to be asked and we are having these serious conversations with our partners and allies. So does that mean there is a review of the Saudi lab contract underway by this government? We have very grave concerns. About the murder of Tamao kashogi. We are working together to press for a transparent and credible investigation. Those responsible must be brought to Justice and must face the consequences. Canada's foreign affairs minister. Christa Freeland answering a question from the CBC's Katie Simpson in Ottawa earlier today. The campaign centred on affordable housing, and in the end, the election was very close on Saturday. Vancouver Merrill Kennedy Stewart defeated. His main rival Ken sim by fewer than a thousand votes. The former Indy p. m. p. for Burnaby has vowed to tackle the city's housing crisis by building more nonprofit rental unit spike creating renters advocate and tripling the empty homes tax. But with a divided council, he may be facing a bumpy road. We reached the mayor elect of Vancouver Kennedy Stewart in Vancouver Kennedy Stewart, congratulations. Thank you very much. Let's start with the major issue in this election, which is the unaffordable housing crisis in Vancouver ura renter, what has been your experience finding a place to live in Vancouver? Well, it it's extremely. Difficult. I we had Airbnb come into town really unregulated in in all the billable rental units went there the provincial government and and city. We work together and we've regulated that. But now we have the problem of pricing pad. Mapra came out last week saying an average two bedroom apartment is thirty three hundred dollars a month, and a one bedroom is twenty one hundred and that unaffordable not affordable, and we're having workers just leave the city in droves because they can't afford to live here now. Then cougar has become synonymous with its housing crisis at this point. And it's it's not a new crisis is something that that the city has promised to tackle for more than a decade now. And you're not the first politician who's promised to tackle it. What are you going to do differently? Well, I knew I had to take bold action if I was elected. So that's what I promise through this election was to build twenty five thousand units of four dible rental housing. That would be run by nonprofits, and we put this on city owned land. And so that's what the voters you know voted for. And so that's what all the moving ahead with as soon as I'm sworn in November fifth, but it is going to mean that things will be different here in the city. Well, vote ninety. Two percent of our housing stock is privately owned. That is a very, very high percentage. And so we're going to have to move to more housing that is owned and operated by the nonprofit sector. The housing probably look more or less the same, but the way we run, it will be very different. It won't be based on on, you know, making profit that means we can offer lower rents, and then those buildings still make revenue. So then we can use that extra revenue to put it into social housing, which would be kind of welfare rate housing, which be also desperately need because the number of almost center city has doubled since two thousand five. Now also said, you'll triple the empty home tax. Why do you think that will be affective? Well, the previous council did bring in a one percent tax on empty homes, and we know it starting to fill units that were just purely being speculated upon really empty condos. Essentially they are starting to fill up now is as the owners try to. You know, avoid the tax what we want to accelerate this as well. And actually we're finding now that some speculators are selling their condo's to folks that wanna live in them. So the taxes proving affective and tripling it will just amplify that effectiveness. The race was really very tight. Your main rival can sim has not even conceded Suming. He doesn't request a recount you'll be presiding over, not just a divided council, but a divided city. I mean, how, how are you going to push forward with these housing policies without consensus on council or in the city more broadly? Well, as an MP for seven years, actually managed kind of the thinkable is I got a measure pass through the house of Commons even though it was opposed by the sitting majority Harper government, which was the bring electric petitioning the Canada. So I have experienced working across the aisle. Other is this kind of joke that was the most popular MP and all parties, but my own. Because I would work so often across the aisle. So I'm very familiar with how to do that. You know, I was I wrote a book with Michael Chong last year who's a conservative m p and was also arrested with Elizabeth me trying to stop the Kendra Morgan pipeline. So I have worked across party lines often as an MP, and I know I can do that in city council. I've already had some great conversations with counselors not really paying attention to what party they were elected with estimated two hundred sixty five people have died from overdoses in Vancouver already this year, your predecessor Gregor Robertson called for the decriminalization of some drugs and for safe supply that is making vailable clean drugs that aren't tainted. What will you do to address the opioid epidemic? Well, I know Gregor was on the right path. The problem is he didn't have a provincial or federal government, at least under the Harper regime that was all responsive to specific requests from the city. So I think I've said that I would strike an. Emergency taskforce with healthcare professionals and first line responders to give us immediate steps that we can take, and then it's my job to help go and get that implemented. So that would be two, for example, talk to the federal government about getting specific exemptions from the criminal code to talk to the provincial government about some specific healthcare funding and to really focus on what I've been advised is the best step forward is substitution programs and new ways of distributing these substitute drugs. Question voter, turnout was thirty nine percent that was down from last election. What are you going to do to make people feel like it's actually worth showing up to vote? Well, we have the worst electoral system in the world here it's called an at large system. It was an import from the United States. No other city major city in Canada uses it. And in fact, it's been struck down as discriminatory based on race in dozens and dozens of US cities. So I've said to this'll be the last time. We, we use this type of system. You can't believe the ballot is literally if hold off the edge of the table. It's so long because everybody is included on it. We don't have award system like you'd have in Toronto or Montreal. And so we have to change this for ease for the electric understand what's going on. There is close to two hundred names on the ballot without really much information about who to vote for. So this does have an impact on participation and we have to change it. It was nary a specialty for me as an economic at Simon Fraser university. So this is what I'll be working with the province to get the changes here. Stewart, thanks very much and best of luck. Thank you very much recall Kennedy. Stewart is the mayor elect Vancouver and after we record that interview mayoral candidate, Ken sim did concede the Vancouver election. Dairy farmers across Canada could use a little cheering up for the most part. They are not happy with our new trade deal. The US MCA. But when the stress gets too much, they can pour a glass of buttermilk put their feet up and Peru's new coffee table book full of gorgeous glamour shots of cows not to be dismissive of their plight. In any way. The book is a promotional tool for Blace Thompson, the owner and operator of east side Holstein's in Prince Edward Island, and we reach mister Thompson in Charlottetown mister Thompson. These are not your usual snapshots of cows. Can you describe some of them to me, sober better genetic cows Cuza we celebrating stocks. So we just take them to cool spots when we have the professional photographer in our area and kind of how we do our marketing doing these scenic shots to kind of attract more attention to our firm and the cow. So it's a form of advertising flu. So can you describe some of them to me. The last ones we took at, we're at. Wood islands, prince island end where the ferry connects PI and Scotia. And we tried to get a pitcher with the cow with the ferry in the background and and we got a really good pitcher that and then we did a few more other scenic dots with the lighthouse, and it was a really hot day that it was one of the hottest days summer. So the cow was kinda overheating on us. So we decided to take her into the into the ocean. I guess. And the cooler off and the photographer. So this amazing sh- shot and she screamed hold the coury there and she ran into the water with their camera, and she took that amazing shot that getting a lot of attention now. Supermodel. There's also one in front of the provincial legislature, why there. Well to trademark of our and then Shirley town and. Just showed up on Saturday morning, so we just went and took the pitcher and it turned out really good. Prince Allen's full of beautiful spot. So we've tried to cover the island and scenic pitchers. So now when you're taking the photographs of the cows, what what kind of reaction does that elicits and the people around. Love it. We usually do it during tourist season. So there's always people snapping pitchers and asking us what we're doing and then they, they just admire it and they asked to take. The cow and stuff like that. So yeah, it's gonna pretty neat reaction. We've done sunrise shots on the beach in the morning, and we've locked by a couple sleeping on the beach, and they kind of woke up with a pretty big. Surprise, but it's pretty neat stuff that was what more sort of a romantic shot. Yeah, that was the sunrise. It turned out really nice. So so what sort of challenges does your photographer have taking these pictures? I mean, you know, you're not exactly as you say, working with top models. To keep the cows. Attention is pretty hard because there's a lot of things going on. That's they're, they're out of their comfort zone when they're on these, and but most of them are show cow. So they're very well trained and. Halter broken and everything, but it's just too, you know, get them to look the right direction that she loves to get their ears pup pup ahead, head and stuff like that. She's she's amazing Fletcher. She's she's been doing it for twenty years for us, and. Yeah, she's one of the best in probably one of the best dogs in the world. So what prompted you to do this? We've been doing for twenty years. People have done it before they breed magazines there that we've tried to get the cover of fried. So that's how it started, I believe. And so now we just kind of do it for fun every year a couple times a year. We'll load a cow trailer and we'll go for Dr where we were end up. So have you ever thought of doing account calendar. Calendars are. I don't know if anybody buys calendars anymore, but I think we'll do a coffee table book as kind of what we're thinking of doing. So right now, this is coming when Canadian dairy farmers are upset, angry about the new trade deal with United States and Mexico. How do you feel about what's happening. Think think Justin through those going to have to buy a lot of coffee table books from us to help. No, we're disappointed. We really are into the dairy industries a little down in the dumps. Now we don't know what's going on. There's a lot of uncertainty with this deal. So you know if this. Sure. It's not going to change anybody's mood, but it might bring a small anyway. Thanks very much for speaking with me. Pleasure. Boyce Thompson is the owner and the operator of east side Holstein's in Prince, Edward Island. We reached him in Charlottetown. And if you would like to purchase this book Abobo portrait's it is set to be published next April. We're live inside the slate Colin, Dr Dixon. Can you walk us through the colon and tell us what you're seeing here? Sure. To woke, welcome to our playable calling in this used illustrate the patience, what they what they might be seeing what their doctor might be seeing win when they undergo a colonoscopy. Doctor, Dan, Dixon of the university of Kansas cancer center. Beginning brief, guided tour of an enormous inflated colon today, Dr Dickson and his colleagues and countless visitors are recalling the good times passing through that giant colon because on Friday at a fundraising run, someone decided it would be hilarious to steal that giant colon. Now it can't have been easy for the to transplant the organ from the back of a pickup to another vehicle. The thing is three meters long weighs sixty eight kilograms. At the very least you could say it took a lot of guts or one. Big got anyway, but it's not some kind of comedy colon. It is an educational tool, a visual aid that the US National Cancer coalition sends to events around the country. The idea as you heard, and as you would guess is to provide a blown up image of the human colon and the various things doctors are looking for when they look up in their it raises awareness of colon cancer, which is more easily treated if it's caught early. So ultimately, this isn't some kind of amusing bouncy castle. It is a potentially life-saving inflatable, so big colon thieves, take it back for goodness sake. Just drop it off somewhere. No questions asked. And as you drive away, it'll be happy and trails to you. Earlier this month. Leslie low wrote a column for the Halifax chronicle-herald looking back at the year in the metoo movement and in the article. She mentioned three of her own me to experiences with three men. She did not name names. She gave very few identifying details and once was published. He thought that would be the end of it, but then Email arrived. It was from someone else who remembered one of the assault. She mentioned the man who did it. We reach Leslie low in Halifax and just a heads up. She will give details of what happened to her Leslie, first of all, tell me a bit about your original column. What was the point that you were making in writing about the assaults that you had experienced? So I was asked by the paper that I occasionally right with the chronicle herald in Halifax to reflect on me to the metoo movement after about a year. So it was kind of. The way the cavenaugh Senate Judiciary hearings. And when I did was look at the kind of climate of what I would say are is celebrity and metoo and how we have, you know, we're kind of deluged almost daily with these kind of metoo reckoning stories that deal with famous people. And I felt like that I feel like that's not a great barometer of the way we should be looking at the successor failure of me too, because I think that and I said this and the piece of vast majority of men were involved in. These incidents are not celebrities they are, you know, our friends and neighbors, so. And you told about some assaults that had happened to you or or near assaults. That's right. Yeah. So I wrote about in a groping situation in high school. And I wrote about an attempted rate. In high school, and I also wrote about a physical assault. That was, I think, early high school that one happened. And in telling these stories, you were careful not to name names. You didn't give out any identifying information. Why did you make that choice? I gave their professions only and I wanted to do that because I wanted to underscore the idea that these are not as I said before celebrities, but also I didn't wanna out these people for these long ago, things that had happened. And yet one of the men actually recognized himself and got in touch with you can. Can you tell us about that moment when when you what was it an E mail that you received from him? That's right. So the column ran on a Monday morning in the paper and on the Thursday. Following three days later, I was just about to lecture in my job. And standing in front of a hundred students. And I opened my Email just to check it briefly and there was an Email for I saw the name and I thought, oh, dear. And read the Email quickly before I taught and on the face of it. And then when I went back to it later, it was a very heartfelt apology. And what it said was I just read the piece that you wrote. I, I think I am the pert one of the people you're mentioning. I don't know for sure, but here's what I remember and want to apologize for. And he laid out three threes Pacific incidents that he recalled and ink and including the people who were there who had witnessed two of them, and we're these all incidents that you had clearly remembered as well. Right? So that was the one of the extrordinary things about this Email was I had not recalled to the incidence. He mentioned. So one was the incident that I had written about in the column, which was it was a, I was groped in the back of the car. There were two other people there, and the other two were not anything I had remembered. One was another groping which had happened at a at a dance. And the other was he had said he had kind of closed Orna bathroom while we were in there together and would not let me out until I kissed him, which he said I did. So I wrote him back and said, you know, I, I don't remember these things. I believe you, but I don't remember them and I felt it was really important. And kind of ironic, if you think about it that I felt I needed to say to him, believe you know, in the course of the metoo movement, which is just a bit over a year old. Now we've seen many men apologize after being publicly outed and for you. What was it like having this experience of someone apologizing without having been named or shamed or in some ways, sort of forced into it. Yeah, so so there are two things about his apology. One was in this really did hit me the fact that he did not have to do this. I mean, he could have, and I wrote this in the follow up piece that I that I wrote. He could have read the piece recognized himself and thought, I wonder what's for dinner tonight, you know, and and he could have been quite confident that I would move on with my life as I have for the past thirty years and not, you know, really talk about it anymore and he didn't have to fess up. And also the kind of tone and content of his apology was it was exceptional. It was complete Volmer ability. He did not say, you know, I did this thing, but I and I, I was just a kid or I didn't know any better or that's just how it was back. Then. He said, I did these things. He listed them very, very clearly. He said. I have no excuse. I feel terrible. I have thought about this and the intervening years I've always wanted to reach out to you and apologize. And he just said, I'm sorry. Well, obviously he, there was a level of trust with you in for him to be able to do that on some level. I mean, one of the things that struck me in in reading your column about this is you don't say whether or not you accepted his apology the the the the last line in in in your call them when you receive your talking about receiving the apology, you you, right? And that is something I can guarantee. I won't forget. Why did you choose not to let us know when? And of course I'm curious, do you accept his apology? Yes. So I do accept it. I do accept it, and I think that's a big way forward in terms of the metoo movement, I don't think all women need to need to let. Men off the hook for their actions, and I don't believe that. However, I think there is a lot of there's a lot of power that women have in freeing men who are able to come to the point that this man was able to come to, which is to say, to recognize wrong to address the wrong, be making making apologizing. Okay, I think is a really powerful thing. Leslie, thank you so much for talking with me today. Thanks for having an show. We reached Leslie low in hell affects MS low is a calmest with the hell affects them. It was one small step from earth on man and a big leap for the Canadian men's record time when Cam Levin's cross the finish line at the Toronto waterfront marathon yesterday, he not only completed his first marathon. He smashed a record that had been on the books for forty three years. Mr. Levin time, two hours. Nine minutes twenty five seconds was forty four seconds faster than the Canadian men's previous record, two hours, ten minutes, nine seconds which Mr. Levin set incidentally after recovering from a serious foot injury. This morning, Cam Levin's spoke with Matt Galloway. Host of metro morning CBC Toronto about the record performance. I'm I'm a little beat for sure. Especially just the early turnaround leaving this morning, but looking forward to bit of a break here and I'm sure I'll feel great after couple weeks going into this race, this is your first marathon. You had had a great career before this point, but marathons, completely different. What were your expectations? I knew I was very fit and I thought if things went well, I get run a good time. Maybe get close to that record, but it's like you said, the marathon is a different beast in the just so many things can affect it outside of your control. And especially being my first one, I is very, very unknown to me. Why did you want to go from running shorter distances to running the marathon? I think it's a natural transition for lot of at distance athletes myself running the five k on the track. But for me, I had very serious surgery on my left ankle in middle of twenty sixty. And I actually had some difficulty doing trackwork goats from that point on just handling the corners of track. And so it was just sort of a natural fit that I could do the workouts that the marathon required a little bit easier. It was just easier on my body as a result. I just really took to the training and as it continued on a love the preparation and might come now in that recovery. I mean, you had mentioned a serious foot injury. The union run for a long period of time where you concern that there was a point that maybe you wouldn't be able to run at all. I don't think I ever faced that, but I think those very serious concern with the surgery. I mean, you can never you want to come back from something serious like that back. Can't be an option, but I had serious doubts different points in my recovery about whether I even wanted to continue to do this. And you know it's very hard road to come back from this record. Drome ratings record stood for forty three years, and people have gotten close to the records. They've. Almost beaten the record and then because of the marathon and the fact that it's a long race, anything can happen. Things have happened in, it's fallen apart. At what point in the race yesterday, did you start to think seriously that you might have it in your sights. Reality is I didn't know exactly how close I was until probably the last few kilometers, and then I knew with an absolute certainty that I had it with both five hundred dollars less. But up to that point, it was anything could still happen. I completely blow it, but yeah, but that point I was definitely just enjoying taking it in that was runner. Now marathoner Cam Levin's speaking with CBC Toronto's Matt Galloway this morning yesterday. Mr. Levin's broke the forty three year old Canadian men's record while running his very first marathon in Toronto that decades old record was set by Jerome Drayton at the Fukuoka marathon Japan in nineteen seventy five. The following year after he won that marathon. For a third time mister Drayton spoke with CBC Morningside hosts, Harry Brown and Maxine cook about what it took to win. It was a sunny day, which is a bit on news. Normally when I've been, it's been rainy, oh, cloudy or or similar type of weather. That's pretty unusual too. Fairly sensitive to to sunlight. So when the sounds out I have to wear sunglasses. Taking into son undeserved. Now you started off, you ran for about the coding to the report. I've got here Iran for five kilometers in the pack. And and where are you setting up your own mind what you pay would be at that stage? Yes, my plan was to run it as hard as possible. Well, not flat out, but well, on the five minutes from from the beginning, I five, they give you time every five kilometer, Mark sort of I five kilometer wish just us to to warm up, let the let the system warm gradually and then to find out from the time just what kind of pay your on. I was about ten seconds behind that. I marker, so I put in a harder effort for the next five kilometers, but I ended up at the same time which indicated to me right away that this was not going to be very fast marathon. I think the reason for that was because I hadn't been able to do enough speedwork that I'm at around twenty eight kilometers. I started to feel really good myself, and then I started to push there is a point when fatigues at sent both emotional and physical and fellow that can hit heart is there and keep at the long. Nineteen seventy six. That was long distance runner. Jerome Drayton on CBS's Morningside after he won the Fukuoka marathon in Japan for a third time again, yesterday Mr. Aden's long standing marathon record men's time. Canadian men's time was broken by Cam Levin's of black creek. British Columbia who came in first at the Tronto waterfront marathon. His first ever marathon. Boss wants to know where her family members have gone. The Wigger activists, aunt and sister recently disappeared from their homes in Xinjiang, province in China and the circumstances of their disappearance led MS of OSs to believe that they had been taken to an internment camp in the country's far. West camps are often called reeducation camps. Critics however, say the truth of what goes on in those facilities is far more brutal. We reached Rashawn of us in Washington DC Missouri's. When did you first realize that your relatives might be in trouble? I didn't realize on kill. After they disappeared because I do not communicate with my relatives back home in the spring of two thousand seventeen. I do not talk to anybody Mr. spun because the situation there got pretty harsh to the people I spoke at the event at Hudson to September two thousand eighteen. And then a few days later I heard from my relatives that my sister and my aunt, they both would gone. They disappeared in no one has heard anything from them since. No. No one has heard anything in September. Eleven. Was there any indication of how they disappeared? No, just the, you know, their phone off my aunt in city called autism, which is this holiday. I don't have any communications with her. And I heard from my relatives in Europe. She just the gun thin. She was taken away from her home, my sister, she, she's also not seeing and on a far neighbors or anybody in route to have seen her. Her colleague for fence can September eleven. No. What makes you believe they've been seized by thority and taken to one of these so-called reeducation camps. Because my sister and my aunt offer really close relatives, they always constant a communicate resent the cellphone. This is the first ever they just the secured like that. And that's what's happening to all people back home. They just disappear. Nobody can ask about what happened to that. They disappear. You know, that's how the people are ending up in those concentration camp, which China claim that the education can't. But you know, they have been claiming. Those are the vocational training centers. They are education centers in that case, why their family members don't know anything about them. They just disappear like they went into. Is it conceivable to you that they might have done or said something that might have drawn attention to them of the authorities? Not at all because my aunt is just a housewife, she's not somebody who talks anything about the religion or political things, and my sister to she's very quiet person, retired medical doctor, and she is a, you know, she retired in pretty on age for health. Then as fifty six years old. Now she's not involved with any kinds of political activities, or opinion or expression other than being my relatives. My sister and my aunt, both. They don't fit into any kind of criteria of the people who are take into the reeducation, can't like the influential. The are not educators are. Are not writers or public figures down, not religious people other than just the related to need. They shouldn't have any reason for taking to those camps. So when you say other than being my relatives, are you implying that that's the reason they might have been taken away? Yes, I put very strong. That that that the only reason that they were taking away because I spoke as a. On September as one of the panelists at the one of the think tank here in Washington only seek stays Vader. My sister and my aunt both disappearing at the same day while they are fourteen hundred kilometers away from each other. I think Chinese government trying to send me a message written humidity by hostage, taking my family members, and you know, obviously, you must be worried about their wellbeing. What do you know about how they might be treated in in one of these camps? Well, I have been very outspoken about this situation. You can't. I knew the conditions extremely harsh. That's why you know when Chinese government is claiming that these all locational training centers, but we know they witnesses former detainees into can't and also reliable. You'll. This account, those vocational training center news that they're being guarded, armed guard barbed wire over crowded rooms and now nutrition treatment, the hydration, because they don't provide enough thinking very poor sanitation. The conditions are extremely poor you. You have been very outspoken about what's going on in China in these camps, and some of your relatives have disappeared. We don't know for sure that there's a correlation but there could be as you yourself say, but your continued to speak out. Are you afraid that perhaps other members of your family might pay price? I'm afraid, yes. There are some extended relatives that I have, but what the Chinese government doing today, brutally prosecuting over people. This is not just the systematic human rights abuse anymore. This is. Like a crime against humanity. So I'm not going to stop. I'm going to continue what undoing to be the voice. For the ways this the world stood up and said, never again to ethnic genocide once before. So I'm going to call the world. Again was the fame mois say, never again with the same strength and Saint conviction. Good luck in locating your sister and your aunt, and thanks for speaking with me today. Thank you so much. Thank you. Sean of us is the founder of one voice. One step a group that advocates for the human rights of the Wigger people. We reached her in Washington DC, and you can find more on the story out our website CBC dot CA slash a. h.. It was four years ago today that the nation watched horrified as a soldier was shot dead just steps from parliament hill. Most of us were far away from the gunman who killed corporal. Nathan Sorrento Barbara winters was right there. She had just walked away from the Senate half corporal Sorolla was standing as remonial guard. She heard the shots and she went back to help the wounded soldier joining five others who struggled to try to save his life that morning. Here's Barbara winter speaking with Carol, not long after the shooting. There was a gentleman at his feet and another gentleman from the military at his head. And so I just slipped in between them. You know where there was space spoke to him too. I did. I actually tried to speak to the entire time. What did you say to him. He was. I told him he was loved, and he was brave. And that he was a good man. And I said, just think what you were doing when this happened, just think you were standing at the Senate, oh, you were offering others just think of how proud that will make your family. Your parents are so proud with you and your family. You so much your family loves you. Your military family loves Hugh. I said, look at these people were all here healthy. You're all trying to do what we can for you. We all love you said the military loves. You said, listen, there's a kernel here, helping you just repeated repeated repeated that he was a brave man, and that he was a good man and that he was love. Do you think he heard you buy. I think he did. I had no indication. I think he did those Barbara winters in conversation with Caroline, October twenty fourteen after the shooting death of corporal, Nathan sirocco the years since then have not been easy from his winters. She's thought a lot about corporate Sorrento and about what that day of his death means. As part of our fiftieth anniversary programming. Barbara winters joined Carol from our auto studio for a feature interview. Welcome back as it happens. Thank you very much. When we spoke with you as you can hear yourself in that tape, you're raw. When you look back, what, what do those minutes the do spent ones. You talked about that. What do those minutes you spent trying to comfort Corp. nascent Sorolla. What do they mean to you? The mean everything in the sense that it's very rare have an opportunity Jahallah moment of purity a moment where there's no artifice where everything you say in do truly matters, and it matters to somebody other than yourself. And I will, frankly always be thankful. That I was able to do what I did, and I think I. I'm proud of those fifteen minutes. I think I'm proud of my actions. I think that they meant a lot to other people besides myself, and I'm grateful for the meant to the family, corporal Sorolla, don't they? I mean that someone was there with him at that time and speaking to him of which is what you did. You telling him how he was loved, you knew to do the in this moment of purity as you describe it. And what do you think that that you being there and speaking to him like that meant to cripple thrillers family. Well, I guess I should point out that it wasn't just me. There were five other people who went to help corporal sirocco. And I was fortunate in the sense that I was able to come up with some words and to be in a position where I could speak to him. So it wasn't just me who responded. But in terms of the message, I hope that got through Nathan surreal. I think it gave comfort to his family who I know was concerned about his last moments as anybody would be. And when I heard from his family and from others, many, many others who wrote to me either by letter or by Email or who spoke to me. I know that a very clear message was. That that is something the people need to hear when they're in acute distress when they're dying, when they're confused and in pain and. Alone. And how did you know to do that? I didn't know I, I felt it frankly. I do a call an incident where I had had a a concussion and I couldn't see anything and I couldn't move. I couldn't speak, but I could hear everything. And I guess that memory came to the fore somehow. I don't remember remembering that, but I think I knew that you can still hear. So when you can't speak, you feel very powerless. And so I think somehow just understood what it would be like to be in that situation and try to provide comfort. People who heard you that day. That interview. We were just swamped with the numbers of people who contacted us to say what that interview -ment to them and that you were there at the center, tough with others, of course, but that you were there with a men who was dying and you a complete stranger. You would just be in that moment. Appearance is you call it, and I just want to know when you when you hear yourself. I know how others respond to when you hear your voice in that interview. What those words mean to you? What would you hear when you hear yourself? I hear the truth here. How accurate. That was, I hear my own emotions. I can relive the moment when I listened to it and I hope I hear a message. That has meaning for other people, and that will be remembered. But you could have been saying, we're going to get that guy. We're going to police are after him, he's toasty. You could have been saying all kinds of things of that nature, but you didn't you something inside of you was coming out at them, and I just wonder if you when you hear it, I what it must be like to hear that. I can't imagine it's true. We could have said a number of things, or I could have said a number of things. But what I remember is that there was initially people fled the scene, so there was a great deal of quiet actually. Initially, it was very, very quiet. People had left or hid or run away, you know, and then the mass of people, you know, ten fifteen minutes later who were watching and taking pictures. They had not yet arrived. So initially it was quite quiet, but slowly. It built up in terms of noise in terms of chaos in terms of yelling or panic, and as the minutes tipped by an help wasn't coming. I think those voices got louder. And as people started intruding and reacting to the situation, that noise got louder too. And I remember thinking. He can hear those. He can hear this and that's not what he needs to hear, but you need to have the situation, but you, you need to hear comfort. And I know that we were very focused on corporate surreal. We were exceptionally focused on trying to save his life. And trying to be there for him. And for myself, I can't describe it in any other way other than to say that. In those minutes. There was nothing else in the world, but that man and what he was going through. And there was nothing else in the world. But to try. And save his life. And try. And provide comfort. Through words. And just yours. And that's very rare moment to get outside yourself to to live outside your mind and your body to to think of somebody other than yourself. I remember that I remember just focusing a hundred percent on Nathan. Often do you think about corporal. Everyday. There's not a day that goes by that. I don't remember. Nathan or the situation. Or what I've been through. Or what others have gone through. It's difficult to watch news. It's difficult to watch other terrorist attacks by their in Canada are broad, and I certainly have a different understanding of those events. No. And I have very deep understanding of what people who are involved in them are going through and will go through. Everybody says on television shows on in reality police, say this detective say this. They say, you're never the same. Your life has changed so minded, and I think of that event, or I'm reminded of that event, or that event comes back to me in some way every single day. But you know, new speak of police or soldiers firefighters who have this stays with you were just an ordinary person going to work in auto walking along the street, headed to your job. And you were suddenly in this situation and that's does not prepared. I mean, if you're policemen firemen, perhaps prepared that something might happen, but you were not were, you know, I think that's very true and it's dramatic, and it's traumatic. You know, the vent itself is like being slammed into a wall at high speed. I have in the years past sometimes used words broken. I find myself saying broken or injured and. I think that those words come to my mind because that's how it felt. It's astounding how much events like this can affect person. And to me, the minutes tick by it was close to fifteen minutes before any help and before the ambulance arrived. And those were very long minutes. And you have no tools with you accept your own hands. And. You're doing the best you can. But additionally that day went on. We were taken to the police station and we were interviewed. We had to wait for hours actually while the police responded to the situation. And so I didn't go home until I didn't make it home until four clock and a remember walking in the door and just going immediately to the Washington and throwing up. I was just sick. I was sick to my stomach repeatedly. And now for years it's been four years. Do you still feel broken? Yes. I'm not alone. You will hear people who have been through similar man's use similar language. And I am not alone in trying to grapple with the events on a personal level on an emotional level. On a if electoral level. And I, you know, I go back and forth. I go back and forth, just experiencing the events. The aftermath, the reactions of people both positive and frankly, negative. Go between experiencing that on an immediate personal level and. Thinking about the events from a more distanced at a little sort of perspective, I'm speaking with Barbara winters, and she was one of six people who tried to save the life of corporal Nathan seraglio as he lay dying the Senator Jeff for years ago today, Barbara, you run toward corporal thriller that day after the shot through fire, three shots entered his body and you didn't even know whether the gunman was there, even if there was maybe another shooter, you didn't know anything about what you were running into did, what? What is that instinct that you do that. Well, at the time I answered that I felt that it was within. Most Canadians heart that most people would try and respond. But I'm not so sure anymore. I'm not so sure that people will turn around and run towards gunfire instead of away play for you. What us told us that day. Sure. And you turned around and you went back others reflecting when they heard those shots, you returned, what was that instinct? I don't know. I think it's human nature. To run towards somebody to help them. Do you still believe that? I believe that it's human nature. Most people will try and help someone. I'm not sure that it's human nature to do that in extreme circumstances. So people on a daily level perform little kindnesses to each other even to strangers, but. I'm not convinced anymore that all people would place themselves in danger or that all people would respond by going towards that danger. I had some time to think about this. And it does seem to me. It's a characteristic of individuals, and I don't know where that characteristic comes from. I don't know if everybody hasn't, but I do think that people can practice. You know, I heard the entire spectrum of reactions to my actions and to my words and some of them they're few were, I would have done this or I would have done that or if I'd been there and I always think you don't know what you will do. You might think that you are going to react one way, but you don't know. And it's very probable that any individual will not run to help. And we know that because we see the pictures, we see the pictures after the Danforth shootings. And after the truck that ran down the pedestrian and in situations where there are bombings, we see the pictures of people fleeing. We see the pictures of people callously walking by others. We see the pictures of people photographing and filming with their iphones in some sort of perverted idea that that's an appropriate action rather than helping the person who needs the help. And if you want to be someone who runs to help, then one way to do that is to practice that in a small little way. You know the question, why did I do what I did. Was asked more than once and it's funny the things that come to your mind. But I remember being in my twenties and I was on a bus in Vancouver and there was a an old woman and she had a bunch of grocery bags and we were stopped at a bus stop. The bus was trying to merge into traffic. So it had its doors closed signal light on, but the woman came knocked on the door to be let on the bus and the bus driver wouldn't let her on the bus. And you know, this person was clearly impoverished. She had a number of bags with her and the bus driver wouldn't let her on. And I remember saying, open the door, open the door and he wouldn't open the door. And then he merged into traffic and I said, shame on you, you should be ashamed. I remember that I was shocked that other people didn't feel the same way because someone told me to be quiet. And I was very distressed for a long time that somebody would say to me, quiet, we need to get on a Ray. We need to go. So I think you practice you, you practicing do something and do it for somebody else. I mean, we often hear how we should stand up for our rights and how we should be powered. And I think that that's all true. But there are moments where we need to stand up for somebody who is vulnerable. Or somebody that is not yourself. You know that you have? No, you have no fest interest. Insane do something to help this person or to try and help them yourself. And I think you can practice. Very small level. It's okay to call out bad behavior and it's important to call out bad behavior. When you're not being affected because you need to let society know. People need to know that it's not all self interest. Did you get any recognition for what you did the day? We did. We got some. There was nothing from the city or the province. The governor general's office sentas accommodation. From the government of Canada, you know, from the state, if I can put it that way, that's what we received. But Saint John's ambulance went the extra mile for all of us. They awarded us gold medal, and I understand that they had to seek the permission of Queen to do that. Because they recognized that we ran towards danger to provide a systems to somebody for Saint John's abbey limps the hold on in very high regard, but does wonder, you know, because there was so much recognition about what happened. Those who had responded on parliament, hill where Michaels, they have people the shooter. He went afterwards as we remember. And this is where he died, was inside the centre block of the problem buildings. And there was a huge recognition of those who were involved in that operation was there as much understood in as much recognition for those of you who are at the Senator. Well, McLeans did an article about the one year Mark. I mean official recognition. No, there was no official recognition and I did receive recognition in the house, but that was not an invitation. I happen to be in the house that day. I was not with my my friends who who went help may this Rillo that was unfortunate for them. So no, there has been no official recognition and that carries on when there are statements about the events. You know whether it's from a member of the government or if it's a press release, it prefers to us as others. And I've done a great deal of thinking about that. And I find that troubling and I find it troubling, you know, obviously on a personal level, but I find it troubling for what that means for the implications of simply referring to people. Who run to help who run to danger. Simply referred to them as others because I can tell you that the first responders are an. I'm not the first person to say, this are the last responders. They are not the first persons on the scene, the first persons on the scene, whether it's the Fisher people who went out in their boats twenty years ago to search for survivors or whether it's people in Nunavut who ran to help when the plane crash or the people in Toronto who who went to help. Those who had been run down by cars. Shot. It is not the police or the fire people or the drivers who aren't there. It is Canadians who are there. It is. People treat choose to turn one way while everybody else is turning the other way. And those people. In all probability hoop affected for the rest of their lives. And yet the choose to do that. The chew put somebody for themselves. And to refer to any of those people as others to me is troubling. Because to me. Those people who go out on boats. Those people who bend down on sidewalks. And try to save a life or to comfort people who'd been hit by a car. To run to people who have been in an airplane crash. Those people are the ones who are exhibiting Canadian values. Those people are the ones that we should admire because they have no training, no stake in the matter. And they, I can say this with certainty they are sacrificing the are sacrificing parts of themselves probably for the rest of their life for somebody don't even know. And I follow the news, you know, like everybody else, I followed the news and I my phone vocational conversations about Canadian values, and I think we should change that conversation. I think we should change the conversation from what we don't like to what we had Meyer. I think we should change the conversation to what is it about Canada and Canadians that we value. And if you've value bravery, if you value sacrifice, if you've value compassion, if you've value openness and concern and selflessness. Then these people exhibit those values and they should be named, they should be recognized named. These should not be referred to as others. How do you want people to see you and to see what you did. I think they should. See when I did. Something. They can do. And how do you want them to see you. I want them. To remember. That I ran back. That I could not. Have provided the words that I did. Could not have spoken to Nathan. If I hadn't run back. And. It's a very, that's a very difficult question, but. I hope I don't know of this is true. But I hope they see me someone, someone who is very comedian. Someone. Who represented when I truly believe Canadian Sohar. I believe comedians kind. I believe comedians. Sacrifice. I believe Canadians. Are good people. So. I hope they remember me. As canadian. Well, I would hope that all Canadians are what you just described. I do know one thing. What you describe is what you are. Thank you very much. And I know you could not have done otherwise than what you did that day. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for having me your very special and Canadians admire you. Admire your courage. Thank you. Thank you, Barbara. Bye bye. That was Barbara winters. She is a lawyer for the federal government on October twenty. Second of two thousand fourteen. She was one of six people who tried to save the life of corporal, Nathan surreal, oh, MS winters, joined us from our auto all studio. And if you'd like to hear that interview again or if you'd like to share that interview with someone else, you can find it on our website. CBC dot CA slash AI h. and you can also find a special video that we have made of MS winters conversation with Carol from the week of Corp. Sorolla shooting. You've been listening to the podcast. Our broadcast show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC radio one on Sirius x. 'em following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the web. 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Episode 30: Eve's Curse - Menstruation Taboos Across Cultures
"Hello nasties. This is Elizabeth, and we hope you enjoy our episode today about period taboos, just a quick note about the audio for the first twenty five to thirty minutes. My Audio's a little wonky. I didn't check the settings before we hit record. And somehow I ended up recording from the internal Mike on my computer instead of my external higher quality mic. It's fine. The content is great as always. But the quality isn't quite where we want things to be after about the thirty minute. Mark things are perfect. So hopefully, you can bear with us. And listen to this amazing episode about period taboos across the world. Stay nasty. She was one. Explanation. Nevertheless. Hello and welcome to the positions. This is to you persist at the Nasi podcast. My name is Beatrice. And I'm here with Elizaveta. And we have several good news festival. We managed to get off st- top hundred placement in the charts in the Austrian itunes charts. We more exact in the top hundreds in all categories, and we were sixteen in society, and culture, we could go. So thank you very much to Austin Aussies food listening and downloading and telling you friends about us and rating and reviewing so, yeah, we really were very happy about this. Yeah. It's amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. And then also thank you and the shoutout to. New patriot member Mika, and I'm gonna put you the name bird Dr down. I don't know Mika. Br Dr I think it's be are D A R, Mika. Thank you. And I want to thank you went to say is please go. Join our Facebook group, it's called per sisters. She who persisted group and people are starting to post that now and we liked seeing that because I think one of the cool things about podcast is that you can also kind of create a community around it. And I think particularly considering the issues that we talk about I think it would be just very cool. If we just have the space where we can talk about the subjects that we also talk about in the episode with you. It's a close group. So not everyone can join. But you the thing you have to answer to get into the group is just a tagline which should be easy for everyone who listens to the coast. So let's hope so let's hope so it's basically just to prove that you're not a robot. But if you're a robot who's also interested in women's issue in feminist issues. Then we welcome in case, you're like feminist official intelligence is welcome to. But we assume that any feminist artificial intelligence robot will have listened to a podcast anyway. So they will share question. Yeah. And also, INA our lovely to know while back suggested salting a shoe assisted book club, and that's still kind of on the on the agenda. But we kind of thought that that would be like the group would also be a good place for that. If interest in that, go to the person sisters group, and let's do it. Let's create a community. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm always looking for new books to read. So. Yeah. Yes. So yeah. Welcome back to the series administration. This is a piece of three on the subject ready in case you hadn't gotten enough about menstruation already. Yes. I mean in episode one we talked about periods. Shame in our respective cultures. In episode two is about the money stuff. So Tampa tax period, poverty, all of that jazz. And if you haven't listened to the other championships by. Go back and listen to those before you listen to that one. Today as promised in the first episode ready. We will delve deeper into the issue of menstrual to booze. And what we will do is take a bit of an let's say anthropological perspective, even though neither of us are impo polishes. Well, I did start a did study, cultural and social anthropology at university. I just didn't finish it. If you don't have a degree in it. You can't call yourself in college. No, no, no. I know. I did say I did listen I didn't say that. I was an anthropologist. I just said I studied it. Yes. I did not. I it's a fact I did. Okay. So we will not be talking about the here and now so much, but we will talk about different times and cultural contexts and types of minstrel to booze that existed. In other contexts than I was though there are some contemporary discussions of celebrations and cultural taboo around ministration in different in different cultures. So we won't we won't focus an our cultures. That's what I was trying to say. And again, of course, who will only kind of scratch, the sophism some of these issues, and there will be few instances where we will say we weren't going to detail because this will be a whole episode on his own. But as always on a homepage. You will find an home, which is she hoop assisted dot com. You'll find a lot of resources to do further research yourself, you you'll find a lot of links that you can read up on the subjects we talk about because when it comes to periods. This just so much to talk about which is also why we do a whole series on the subject. Yes. And another. Disclaimer, I think that's important. When I we talk about menstruation to all of the world in different countries, cultural and religious contexts. We both do that as white women. I do it as white woman from Australia from European country. Was born in a majority Catholic country. You do it as a white woman from the United States who grew up as a Catholic also. But. In california. So if California Catholics are different it doesn't count. Kelly pointed any says, maybe their Austrian counterparts. Are we do a lot of folk music and shit? Yeah. I mean in California, everything's different. Although I have to say that I grew up rather. So I mean, the culture around me is Catholic, but it's just not such a deal in my family. I know that we have listeners in all continents of the world, which is amazing a bird that could also mean that you'll lived experience in a place that we are going to talk about or as a member of religion that we are going to talk about is different. And if that's the case, and if you don't agree with anything, we say in this episode them, please feel free to correct is and writers and tell us because we like to lend. Yes. And we are we try to be very intentional with our language to say people who meant straight. But sometimes we slip into just say women, please understand that our goal is to be as inclusive as possible and to really be talking about people who menstruate, regardless of whatever. Yeah. So are you ready to talk about tabu? Liz, I am we have more than Tampa within here. But let's do it. Yeah. So Buckley engulf led to anthropologist who actual thr- apologised. As opposed to me who just did. If you call us at university, and is not an actual anthropologist as Liz, quite rightfully pointed out. They wrote the book actually one of the books on the subject, and it's cold blood magic and blood. Magic is a cross cultural study in which they found that tabu surrounding menstruation a basically universal and they've been around in every culture in every period. Ha ha tendon, but different cultural traditions and ideas about menstruation, quote, be speak quite different even opposite purposes and meanings and at this point I thought it was interesting to make a short excursion to the wet tabu itself. Because I think Tamala Judy is very interesting in the context of the subject of very interesting period. But it's interesting in context of the subject of periods. Also, I'm sorry. I constantly with the puns. Okay. So because the temp- to boo it originally comes from the Tongan top or the Fijian tabu, which means prohibited. Disallowed of bitten. And it's related to the Maury top who on how why in Cup who and Mullah Jay Z Fahdi. I don't know if I pronounced that correctly. And the interesting thing about the what to do is that it basically on the one hand. Okay. So the person that basically used the word in the English language. I was the British explorer James Cook, and he used to boot for anything forbidden to be eaten or made use of. And he wrote not one of them would sit down eat a bit of anything on expressing my surprise at this. They were all to boot as they said, which were has very comprehensive, meaning, but in general signifies that I think is forbidden. But then interestingly, the this word has kind of a double meaning because on the one hand, it means forbidden or cursed or unclean in viable in inviolable. And on the other hand, it also means sacred, and holy and definitely something that's protected by law customer restricted in some sense. And I found that very interesting because Goldman Buckley point out administration is often associated with Idi of uncleanliness that at the same time. It's also scary. Or it's scary precisely because it's something holy sacred or very powerful, you know. So just like the term to boot self to Milan implies both sacred and forbidden things and both sacred and unclean things menstruation does the same thing. Right. So sometimes the consequences of partiarch, call tabu izing. I didn't even know if that's an English word. Tabu izing into predation of female, reproductive functions in general administration will precisely as a given at attempt to boot self one thing that happens in of cultures is that menstruating people women are separated isolated from the rest of society, and this might happen in the form of menstruation hearts tense. So this is one thing that will come up a lot in this episode that people that menstruate adjust isolated in some sense. And on the one hand this happens as a result of the idea that they're unclean and must not defile either. Other members of society, particularly men or even object crops with them cleanliness. But on the other hand this period of isolation. Often also means on meant that women or people menstruate once a month had a fucking break from the hardware. The did did the male gaze that was. That there was subjected to male violence, and they can be amongst each other. You know, so it also had this other aspect of it can be something even empowering freeing from societal constraints in a sense, even if it's a result of Seidel strain, which is a bit. Paradox at first glance may be but you know, this is also hukou and Buckley's describe it. And so so in effect, some menstrual rights, even if the based on very misogynistic ideas can be experienced by women as protective and empowering offering women or people who menstruate a space set apart from male gaze from unwanted sexual domestic pressures and demands and an example provided by the anthropoid Logist win Maggie or magic. I don't know. She describes the communal bus Shali, which is a large menstrual house of women in the collage valley, which is in north in north west of Pakistan, and they understand that as their most holy place, and it's also respected by men, and they don't enter it. And it's kind of this old female organizing center for also establishing and maintaining gender, solidarity and power. So yes, it's a result of a paltry occult society. But then paradox. Really? It created kind of safe spaces for women in a sense. So according to one specific body of cultural evolution every scholarship at the idea that menstrual blood marks the body has periodically sacred was initially stablest by FEMA coalitions in their own interests. Although later with the rise of cattle ownership and poetry uncle power. The same beliefs into booze harnessed by religious patriarchs to intensify women's oppression. Sure. I mean, if you think that a woman can't have access to living things things that produce during their period during their menstrual cycle when they're bleeding than a force. You know, they can't own cattle because they can't have access to that cattle for parts of it. And. A cultural theorist Judy Kron and others have developed what they call metaphor mic theory. And it's like metaphor. Did it right? Okay. What Grahn suggests in her book blonde brand and roses? How menstruation created the world is that menstruation is the central organizing concept in the creation of culture and forms the basis of humans earliest rituals. An article entitled the emergence of metaphor Matt consciousness on her online journal metaphor Mia, a journal of menstruation and culture, which is accepted from her book states, the following well menstrual seclusion rights in many parts of the world as recorded over the last few centuries typically include among others three basic prohibitions. The menstruating woman must not see light. She must not much water, and she met not touched her since they same elements are differentiated in Genesis and other creation stories I and this is Judy Grahn speaking here began to see how menstrual rights might have quote created the world for ancient peoples and to wonder whether the sleepers who vote and saw landscape who named the elements who separated the above from below and the darkest from light water from earth were informed by rights of seclusion that specified. Vary elements, singled them out for attention through regulations or tempos. So the idea is if we think about Genesis, and someone you see the light and suddenly you're coming out of darkness into the light. This is the same thing for women who were who were placed in these. Menstrual huts were not allowed to see light. We're not allowed to touch water. We're not allowed to touch the earth. There is a kind of a metaphor ick similarity between them. She continues that quote this unique cycle in correspondence with the cycles of an outside body the waxing and waning of the moon Abbadi far beyond as we learned later the surface of the earth talk humans to see from outside their animal bodies into display that knowledge externally in physical culture, the menstrual mind became externalize because females were forced to teach its perspectives to members of the family who did not ministry and so women use their own bodies as metaphors for what was going on with the earth or vice versa. Males in learning the pattern greatly extended it rearranged it demonstrated their comprehension once further step in mirrored back to the females an ongoing dance of minds between the genders the consequences of the menstrual junor correspondence is what has divided us for good and ill from the other animals. Unlike our simian relatives, unlike any other creature humans use external measurement the gift of menstruation. We have a lunar menstrual vivere that enables us to move our sense back and forth between the subjective and the objective into embody our ideas in extra no form. So essentially, she's explaining that what distinguishes us from animals, and what has created the organizing aspects of our culture is the menstrual cycle. The ferry is used to examine how these restrictions on menstruation constructed. Our minds externally, not abstractly, but through using physical metaphors or meta forms that embodied a comparison to the metro. Oh based idea and looking at lunar calendars like that used in Judaism, we can see which is based on the moon cycle. Which is also then connected to menstruation. So we see that kind of metaphor or metaphor. The question is what came first. Did the the cycle of the moon and the idea of it come before this kind of conversation about menstruation or administration can inform. Our the the creation of these lunar cycles. And medical for format theory suggests that they are so intertwined that. You can't separate them, and you can read more about metaphor mccleary. I would totally recommend her book. But also the online open access journal metaphor Mia dot org. Which includes the work of other authors on metaphor MC theory related to mental topics. So the physical metaphors are metaphors become embodiments of menstruation. And in this way, metaphor McCarron has also been linked to post queer theory. And though there are a lot of arguments in favor of post fear theory or calling into question the usefulness of queer theory out of Isaiah green suggests in his article gay, but not queer towards a post fear study of sexuality that the subject in queer theory is an under socialized fear subject with little connection to the empirical world and the socio historical forces that shape sexual practice identity, and he calls for reclaiming the specificity of gayness and identity, and it's very personal for him. But with what we what we then see in Gregory guy is article soaked in semen and blood gay men in the queering of metaphor, Matt consciousness is his connection between the blood of gay men sexual encounters with menstrual blood. And this is where we see like the metaphors coming being extended the blood then becomes this metaphor, he states if we're people can understand there. Bleeding as metaphor mic as related to menstrual cycles, new possibilities open for creating further substitution, sorts, social social Justice. So if we can build connections between meta menstruation and gay men's one from from sexual encounters than there is an affinity between the two groups he continued saying that today, it's unthinkable that the patriarchal men's blood ritual of war could replace by anything, but the spread of metaphor consciousness could create an opening for the honoree at honoring of gay men's blood rituals. What if the need for blood ritual of war could be satisfied by the anal bleeding of gay men for pleasure? In this way, women's menstrual blood becomes productive rather than strictly abject or taboo. And then finally sociological theorists through argued that human religion in its entirely entirety emerged originally in connection with ministration. But this could be a whole episode of its own. I mean, you're kind is like a whole, and we're basically talking about today. But if we think about metaphor mic theory, and how it relates to other types of bleeding and could be productive in that way of thinking about how there are metaphors for taking. You know? I don't wanna say lesser population. But sub. Subjected less-privileged populations and using like that kind of connection to reframe the debate. I think it's really interesting. So I listened to the call stuff on them a told you whichever they like and the didn't episode about period to booze and daddy said, and that's something I found interesting that one of the origins of our current tobu's running menstruation is that women used to have much few periods than they have today. And because they spent much more time being either pregnant, obviously, all lactating. So the women who did menstruate web the unmarried woman, so the prostitutes or they unattractive spinsters AK feminists. So basically menstruation was connected on the one hand to being an unattractive spinster, aka feminist or being a loose woman, aka also heaviness, so however. However, there are a lot of ancient societies that regard administration is sacred and powerful. And I wish there was here today because I think she could talk about this a lot with with much more expertise than we can. But we did a lot of research. So you're gonna listen to us instead. So according to the Cherokee, which okay, let's just say we can't the Cherokees are not all native. I people they are just one tried among many. But according to the Cherokee metro blood was the sorts of feminine strength and had the power to destroy enemies Serse, which I know it's fucking awesome. Don storm writes in her book blood politics, race, culture and identity in the Cherokee nation of Oklahoma that like many tribal people around the world Cherokee believed that women's menstrual blood is a powerful substance. It was not dirty or polluting, but it was a destructive force and a force a feminine strength. So she cites a story of a cannibal monster who could not be defeated by warriors. But was ultimately destroyed by seven menstruating virgins who drained his strength, which is fucking amazing which reminds me so much of episode period shaming where in the beginning. Quoted plenty Elda natural history, where he said, he talks about all of the horrible effects that women have when menstruate and their menstrual blood, particularly has that they can make B-side all know. It's I mean if. Cannibal can only be defeated by seven minutes rating versions by draining. It's strength because it's so powerful like what a menstruating. Think about it. But in addition to this symbolic power used admit, she states that quote, menstrual blood was also forced to be contended with in everyday. Cherokee and bears. The destructive power of menstrual blood could be channelled against an enemy and was you both in sorcery at war and in other rituals because it was considered to be so powerful women were isolated from the tribe during their menstrual cycles and sites. That describe the isolation of women are very clear in this point. Like websites are very release date that this is done because of our great respect for women and the creative powers of make possess a menstruating woman presence anywhere in the vicinity of a ritual or ceremony could render it ineffective or could cause some other problem of women's mental cycles evidence of her creative powers. It's a time when she should be careful because of the strong energies junk foods, so it's not I mean in some ways this kind of goes back to our conversation about women as nations where like they weren't doing studies on women because they would screw up the results because women's bodies were so quote on yet double, but also it's an acknowledgement that there is a power that comes within station, and as such you know, it can't you know, it has to be dealt with and used carefully because it is so powerful. Yeah. And it goes back to what? I said about tabu itself, you know, it's on the one hand something very powerful and say credit on the other hand at something. Kind of repudiated. You know, it's both things at the same time. It's it's it's it's elevated to like. Sacredness? And then another hand, it's also very very disrespected and kind of considered Deti. Yes. Of course, you mentioned plan is also often viewed as especially dangerous to men's power, which let's talk about this ladies. Man, so afraid of ministration marginally because we don't talk about it. But also, maybe they're afraid to train them of their precious. Manley power, maybe but in some African societies. And again Africa's not a country is not homogeneous. It is made up of a lot of different areas. Apples. But in some African societies menstrual blood is used in the most powerful magic charms in order to both purify and destroy and again, we're not just lumping them altogether. But in the book iron gender and power rituals of transformation in African societies. Researcher Eugenia w Herbert describes the menstrual type UIs among the Asante, a an ethnic group in mar Ghana, and she states that they're metro minstrel taboos extend to anything concern with God's ancestors and senior chiefs and even to some fetishes and medicines if a menstruating woman entered. A stool room. And I would assume that's a room with stools in where they perform, thanks. Her state would drive away the spirits of the ancestors, but she's also forbidden to touch or handle any tools used to make things or change one sort of thing into another. So anything that's transformative and Herbert argues that this is a quote, clear statement of the incompatibility of menstruation as failed conception with activities that are construed as transformative or procreative. So if you're menstruating because menstruation is a failed attempt at procreation, it has to be separated from all forms of creation and transfer transformation. She points out that the menstrual huts were located on the margins of the village and the Bush in burial places of babies prepubescent children, which is criminals in the victims of inauspicious debts, which is interesting because it also exists in the sort of limited space or a transitional. Space. But if the Asante beliefs are any indication, even though ministration suggests the fertility of a woman, it is also symbolic of her failure to be pregnant in the inability to to have created life. So one thing that I find particularly interesting is that she rise at the embitterment meaning of menstruation here is kind of a metaphor. The Embiid Vallance of the Paci idea of women at self. And this is also something that we will come across later on. And this is something that we come across in our culture is that women as a whole. Devalued because demonstrate that the cultural ideas about menstruation kind of become the cultural ideas, we have about women. Yeah. It's I think I've mentioned this before when I started to have kind of paramedics puzzle symptoms. I started to research. You know, what early menopause is all about and whatever, and I found that in a lot of medical literature. They refer to. Betim when a woman is. Menstruating to pre-menopausal yet. Yeah. Yes. So like everything is related to a woman's ability to the moment when woman stops being useful. Yeah. To like when she can't procreate anymore like your you're premenstrual before you have a period than your premenopausal. And then you're menopausal. And then, you know, whatever, you're basically, useless, exactly. God. Yeah. So yeah. So let's go back to some with ATI. So Myanmar -nology explains the origins of menstruation are punishment for violating the social rules governing marital alliance. So the origin of menstruation was said to be a punishment for the moon goddess. And this makes sound familiar what to those of you familiar with the book of Genesis, and the story of Adam and eve who after eating from the tree acknowledge was punished quote to women he said, I will surely multiply your pain in child in pain, you shall bring forth. Children your desire shall be contrary to your husband. But he shall rule over you. That's cool cool with that. Anyway, according to my in legend, if the menstruating woman was to be made angry her menstrual blood would turn into snakes and insects before the moon. Goddess was reborn from it. Because of this legend, the people of some communities would exile their wives and daughters while they were menstruating to avoid an event such as this which I mean if I thought that my wife's like or daughters. Menstrual blood was going to turn into snakes and insects. I would probably insist on that as well. Interestingly we also have the the image of snakes here, which is also happening in the story of even atom. Yeah. So that's also interesting. I think yeah. So the bigger issue though, is that the cultura de that menstruating women are essentially impure bad, and that her body is a representation of this. And as such she's punished by God or her community is concerned that she will be punished by God. And that they by extension will be punished and therefore she has to be separated from the community to protect them. Where women's bud is considered sacred. The belief is that she should be ritually set apart. So like, no matter what women should be ritually set apart either because they're powerful or because their unclean. Yeah. Which again is like this this Embiid. Poland construction administration both unclean and two powerful. Exactly. So when sacred blood comes into contact with profane things, then it becomes experienced as either ritually dangerous or ritually unclean. So women are fuck either way. Yeah. Women fucked up, and they all FOX, and they all they fuck. Things up because them in straight. So yes, that's the that's the summary of this whole episode actually still living. Yeah. You don't even help to Eddie Marvin just don't bother because that's it. No police stay because now we're getting into. Modern day religion. Let's put it that way. Now, we talked about Mayan things of that's long time ago. Now, we talk about. Well, I'll we'll talk about. Now, the three monotheistic religions the big ones. Judaism Christianity and Islam now Judaism, as you know, is kind of the first one of those historically the one that that came about I and Judaism in its orthodox full kind of seems to be the most exclusionary to women who menstruate because in Judaism menstruating women excluded fragility, and this ritual is called nigga, and it applies to women while menstruating end for about a week. They're often until she messes a self in a ritual bath cold mic Vaa, which is basically intended only for married women. And this is something that will come up later again we have. So we already talked about the practice of isolating women women straight. This is something that happened over time. Culture is something that comes up over and over again. But also something that comes up over and over again is the idea of ritual cleansing that needs to happen this period of 'isolation, so that the woman can enter orient not as though women can't clean themselves, and it has to. But like the society has to create some sort of ritual in order to yelling cleanse her. Yeah. Yeah. So the term nigga applies to the woman herself. So she's considered Anita which means impure due to her natural menstrual cycle, basically. But the nigga is also the phase of exclusion and the face begins at the first drop of menstrual blood, and it continues for about a week often ministration is over and at the end of that week. She undergoes this elaborate ritual bath, the Mikva McVay and upon completing this bath, she is she has to approach the temple with a sacrifice in hand. Which is usually paired doves like this is the original orthodox idea. And she hopes that the rub I accept her is clean one small, and this is actually laid out in the fifteenth chapter of Leviticus clinic is I mean like. Is a Catholic. We we believe both the old and New Testament, but Leviticus is basically the part that had like lays out all of the laws and so much of it is like way over the top surprisingly. How could that happen? I know. I mean, it's just I mean, I'm so shocked that the bible has over the top rules. Women. So fifties chapter Leviticus. I quote, whenever a woman has him stroke period, as she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days anyone who touches her during that time, we'll be unclean until evening anything on which the women lies or sits during the time. If a period, we'll be unclean. I mean, if she doesn't have power it's just going to say, listen period policies, a problem. Apparently, it was a problem back then too. If a man has sexual intercourse with her and to blood touches him her menstrual impurity will be twin submit it to him. He will remain unclean for seven days and any bed on which he lies will be unclean. When the women's bleeding stops. She must count of seven days, then she will be ceremonially clean on the eighth day. She must bring to titled of's, oh, two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the tabernacle. Yeah. Unquote. So I mean, okay. So here's the deal. Like if I was the husband, and I knew that I was already going to be unclean for touching her period. Bud like. Yeah. It's already happened. Let's move on interesting is that they come up with this idea of seven days like the seven comes up a lot. And then why why is it like that anyone who touches is unclean until evening like why just well? Okay. So I mean that I'm not Jewish caveat. But southern is like it's a biblical number on the seventh day, he rested is in Genesis with the creation of the world. So it it establishes a cycle. So seven days is typically as cycle of a week or a period of time. And then the evening that is part of an again, I'm not Jewish. So, but my understanding is part of the Jewish religion is that it goes from from sundown to sundown. And so by the time. Sundown happens. That is the start of a new day. Okay. Yeah. Makes sense. I guess kind of okay. So. So kind of the gist of it is during this time even America couple must avoid sexual intercourse, and any form of physical intimacy, actually because if the men touch us that he will be unclean until evening, and then also Dokes Judaism forbids, women and men from even touching a passing things to each other during this period. And of course, and I think that's important to understand is that this is like all docks. Judaism. I mean, many Jews many Jewish people in other branches religion nowadays, don't do do Judaism that way. I just don't do Judy. They don't do. I mean. Yeah. Like, this is true for many things that we'll talk about today, especially for the religions that are still around. Of course, we talk about like the most extreme like author branches of it. So we're the ones that we have evidence the religions that are still around the evidence the most extreme versions, but but also the for cultures where we that. Are I want to say foreign but put that in scare hotel like ones that are not western that? We are getting the information based on anthropologists who have been parts of part of those cultures and who have done research field research that those are what they studied. And so there may be other other communities that have very different. But exactly, and you know, a lot of people who are religious on nought conservative at the same time. And of course, the. The extent to which these rules that we talk about observed in modern Judaism more than Islam to more than Christianity. Of course that varies depending on the decree of the conservative end orthodoxy of the people that we talk about. Yeah. And then it's also one thing that interesting and a comprehensive it's called meal, which is Hebrew for modesty. It's Neo net net. I don't know. Why are you asking? I don't know. Because maybe you know. So many also Doug shoes and some conservative twos. People. Also, they follow the custom of keeping the times of Nitta. So the menstruation secret from the general public, and that's also interesting especially in connection to what we talked about. In the first episode administration on the episode about period. Positively and period. Shane we talked a lot about the idea of leakage panic, and how in our culture to ministration is something that has to be hidden because it's considered shameful. Sure. Yeah. And then apparently they've also been the huts in some places. So. Places where women were isolated during time the times administration and then. What's also interesting is that this a cloth type of cloth coal to bed Deka. Checking cloth. And it's a clean teeth piece of white cloth. Houston of process of purifying, Anita bed, straightening woman. And I'm quoting Wikipedia here. So quote, it is used by observant Jewish women to determine whether they have finished menstruation. The cloth is inserted into the vagina. And if no blood is found the woman may stop counting, the seven blood days on each of these days, she performs this examination in the morning and in the late afternoon before sunset, if no blood is found she may go to the mic them, which is which help us on the eighth evening after nightfall, and then engage in intercourse with her husband such clubs are about to buy full inches and available at local Judy Judeh. Custos the local Mikva stores in author Dokes neighborhoods in Israel, or maybe cut from clean all white soft. Cotton fabric this practice, also casually used, but Jewish men to check if he has gotten blood on himself from his wife after intercourse to determine whether she mistreated during into coz unquote is she like tricking him. Or is this at the beginning, a GM mean, well, like, so if she's if she is menstruating than she would have been I mean, if they are that part of this Paktis, then she would have been doing like she would have been doing nigga at this point. And whatever so is this like done by Jewish men like that's quest. They have intercourse to determine if like she has started her period. And therefore he's gotten blood her menstrual blood on him in like this starts the beginning. I or I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know. I have no do. But again, obviously, this refers to additional an orthodox interpretation into predations after religion and no choice. People who I'm pretty sure don't do these things. So. Yeah. Sure. So let me talk a little bit about what happens in Islam. And let me preface this by saying that I'm not a scholar of his Lamin that this information is available online and through research that we've which is like everything which OBE here because when no scholars of Judaism by them. Yeah. So is basically has version of Judaic nigga that is less severe during her period. A woman is considered unclean. But the only restrictions that she has are that she not have sex not touch a Koran and not enter Mosk for a full week. So as Judaism, she has to undergo a ritual bath before being deemed clean again that being said respect for women on their period is valued in the Koran it states, quote, and they ask you about menstruation say it is harmed. So keep away from women during menstruation and DO NOT APPROACH them until they become pure, and when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where law has ordained for you. Indeed, a law loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves your women are your till f-. So come to your tilt as you wish and put forth for yourself and fear a law and know that you will meet. Him and give good tidings to believers great. So as long doesn't consider menstruating women to possess any kind of contagious on cleanliness. And this is from. I was reading several articles about the Slavic rituals and taboos so a Zime from twenty nine thousand ninety five specifies that Islam does not consider rent menstruating women's possess contagious on cleanliness and engineer that is their last name states that the Islamic law treats menstruation as as impure four religious functions. Only. So one of the things is that she may not enter a shrine or a mosque. And in fact, she may not pray or fast during Ramadan. While she is menstruating, she may not touch the Koran ick codex or even recite its contents. During Menzies pilgrimages are allowed, however like walking around the Kubbaa a building at the center of Islam's, most important mock mosque in mecca is prohibited and is to be performed during other times. So if she does the pilgrimage, but is on her period than she has to wait to actually approach the Kubbaa at once the period is over and she's been cleansed. And women are advised to not enter the prang place of a mosque without any important purpose, but are encouraged to be present at Muslim gatherings and festivals. So she's also not allowed to have sexual intercourse for a full seven days beginning when the bleeding start. So obviously less strict than the orthodox Jewish nigga. She's exempted from ritual such as daily prayers fasting other. She's she is. Given and she although she's not given an auction of performing these rituals, even if she wants to in addition woman must complete a ritual washing before she becomes cleaned following this washing. She's able to perform prayers fasting and allowed to enter a moss. Following a lengthy discussion of Islamic purity laws scholar with Lassie Magon from her piece from nineteen ninety nine concludes that quote problem with menstruating women reflected in the restrictions placed upon certain of their activities is confined to the ritually threatening properties of their menstrual blood per se. So if we compare this to the Cherokee prohibitions, it seems to be related to the idea that their menstrual blood is potentially dangerous or problematic for religious rituals. But we also see that with the ritual washing the prohibition placed on sexual intercourse that menstruation is also a period of communist, so problems for religious rituals and an issue of uncleanliness. The prohibition on sex over may also be related to the focus on sex as a procreative act. It makes no sense to have sex during menstrual cycle if the only purpose of sex is procreation. And we see that over and over again. Yeah. When I did my natural family planning they talking about it. Getting married in the Catholic church. They make you kind of. Chart out your temperature. And I like figure out what days you most fertile. And then from there, you can also figure out the days that you're not fertile which obviously is your period. And so the goal of it is to not have to use contraception and just use your own bodies like abilities to like not be fertile to determine when not when to have sex, and when not to have sex like, so if you want to have a baby you should be able to use it. And if you don't wanna baby you wish you should be able to use it. But like, I mean, it's really more effective. If you wanna have a, but you can determine the times when your body's not fertile, which during menstruation, totally not real and the for the most part like Christian, at least, a cath Catholic Idia of sexual morals is that you should have sex basically only for the purpose of procreation. Like, I mean, I think that a little I would say that many many religions are like that. At Christianity as a Catholic myself having gone through all of these in classes, guests that is the purpose of appropriate, which is just sex Pirker. I mean, of course, this is a a question of. Pilot full people trying to control people sexuality, but it's of course, also fucking stupid because it's a complete misunderstanding of how human sexuality works, which is just so much more than procreation or actually that's two different things six geology, and then this procreation, and they sometimes go together, but they don't necessarily have to know a great. So speaking of Christianity. Some church fathers defended by church fathers like early on in the Christian church. When the church was being formed defended the exclusion of women for ministry based on the notion of uncleanliness others held up period law should be discarded as part of the old covenant. And that we the New Testament with Christianity, we had a new covenant one of the things that I always thought it was really interesting about. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament is that Moses goes out, and like he has his brother Aaron to help him, you know, sprint spread the message of the Old Testament and all of that. But he also end the ten commandments. But he also had a sister. Miriam who was also very influential and very necessary to to his, you know. Not I can't say ministry, but his work and we always like forget about marriage. I can't think of. I've never heard of him. Yeah. Miriam. She was actually very important part of combined with Moses and Aaron. You know, spreading the ten commandments and Judy. I mean, we do we do an episode about forgotten women in the bible. I think that would be interesting I found that we can talk about that. Anyway. So some Christian denominations, including many authorities in the eastern orthodox church and some parts of the oriental orthodox church known as the Russian or Ukrainian Greek Indian orthodox churches advise women not receive communion during their menstrual period. But there's actually no pro actual prohibition in the New Testament, which is the foundation of Christianity. Conservative. Traditionalist members of the orthodox church observe ancient practice of obtaining from holy communion during menstruation, it's a fairly common practice throughout Greece. And Russia and other historically orthodox countries. However, most non orthodox countries, especially in Europe and North America size of especially in Europe and North America in most of these places. Women do not practice. This. In fact, many orthodox Trish and women are unaware of the practice of obstructing from communion during menstruation and view it as like an old wives tale. Apparently, though, Russian Orthodox Christians believe in menstrual taboos and menstruating women must live secluded in a tiny hot during this time. They cannot attend church services or have any contact with men. They cannot touch raw or fresh food because it might call. You despoil plenty of the happened. So quick like. And menstruating women are also thought to offend repel. Fish. Surrounding menstruating women is believed to be especially polluting too. Young hunters. If a hunter gets close enough to a women to touch that all animals, we will be able to see him, and he won't be able to hunt them and a menstruating woman's gaze is even thought to affect whether negative. So the around her is is like poison it polluted. It's ridiculous. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm nice. Okay. So there you go Russian Orthodox, and I am not Russian Orthodox. So I cannot speak to the validity of this. I this is what came up as we said Tonton. So and then Buddhism seems to be. So we've got the three big monotheistic religions now, we'll talk about other wells woulda just now that I'm not monotheistic religions of. So that's kind of a different tradition. Now Buddhism seems to be most relaxed about menstruation because they feel ministration as. Quotes a natural physical excretion that women have to go through on a monthly basis. Nothing more or less. So. In it. Like. Yeah. So menstrual blood is not specifically impure OMO impute than other bodily functions. But that's the point because in Buddhism old bodily secretions disgusting an imperial, it's got it. Okay. Yeah. Everyone just he it's just that menstruation is not more filthy than anything like. Functions. So. And then there's also this idea that women loses a bit of a life horse had she'd uring that period. And then this the idea that ghosts eat blood, which renders women more vulnerable to spiritual impurities seeing as how she'd be surrounded by blood eating ghosts during the time. So. But most beautiful prohibitions against ministration such as forbidding women from entering temples during the period. A thought to be kind of custom said I inherited from Hinduism. So. Yeah. So the yeah. In Japanese Buddhism. This kind of a special variety of it. Menstruating women also banned from attending temples but in Buddhism. There's not much more to say about menstruation other than our bodies are just disgusting of vessels that we need to assist them this planet a, but yeah, it's just out body functions all themselves discussing, and there's nothing more impure about menstruation is just like pot of this prison of physical existence. And then in Hinduism, according to Hindu legend menstruation began after Lord Indra severed the head of okay vici- Barroux patch aria on that's what I would say ostensibly out of anger because he found it impossible to pronounce his name. Which I get it. Okay. And as in other major religions ministration is deemed as a sign of not just physical, but also spiritual impurity and he'd do him. Traditionally menstruating women are considered ritually impure, and they have to follow a number of rules, for example, not allowed to into the kitchen into temples. They're not allowed to whiff flowers to have sex or to touch other males or females so to touch other people basically the women themselves I'll seen as impure polluted, and they're often isolated as untouchables unable to return to the family and community for the length of the period. So again, this idea of then to be excluded from society because they're impure and can be touched and cannot be trusted and basically dangerous forces during the time of the period in all the dogs. Brought. Hindu families. Menstruating women often asked to stay away from domestic activities for a period of four days again, also physical intimacies prohibited. And in very conservative households women have separate rooms to stay in. They also have separate plates and cutlery and then allowed to enter the kitchen or any sacred section of the house women who do Kroft us, a music, or whatever they're supposed to not touch tools for these three days and on a Sunday. The woman takes a ritual bath again over Chobe offing that we also in Judaism. And then she's considered cleanse is allowed to resume her normal routine. And this is described as a spiritual practice, but it's usually only found in those Brockman families, most of the subcultures of Hinduism, they require the woman to carry on as normal. I think what strikes me is that similarity between so many of the taboos and ritual practices that the isolation. I mean, this goes back to the metaphor Mak tradition that there there there's 'isolation. They're not allowed to touch things the women who do crafts not being able to touch. Their tools is very similar to that. Cherokee prohibition of touching anything that has to do with rituals again in the Cherokee. Relief. It's not because she's unclean per se. But because her power can disrupt them in this case, it is because there's an impurity, but the similarity it's just like fairy tales, we have all of these fairy tales that are so similar, and they are cross cultural, and they're even between cultures that have never had any contact with one. Or the fact that these taboos in these rituals emerge fully independent of one. Another is very interesting. It's so fascinating. This is also something that I was thinking when I did the research is like the same tropes just come up over and over again, the elation the ritual thing, the not being into touch things everything that you just said, it's just so fascinating that this is something that happens through cultures and sites and times in space, basically. Yeah. So he knows in napalm. They traditionally the women Hindu women in Naples. Traditionally also kept isolated during menstruation. They're not allowed in the household for also appeared of three nights. So the interesting thing here in the Hindu traditions. Is that we have three the number three coming up over and over again in the Judaic tradition. We have the number of seven so. And this practice was actually banned by the Nepalese supreme court in two thousand and five, but it's still actually happening. And then there's a social tradition cold, okay? Show. Putty. And it's a socio with menstrual to in the west and pot of nipple and this tradition. Prohibits pinned to women and go from participating in normal family activities while menstruating because they are considered impure. And in some parts of western Naple. Also, this custom of choke, Patty requests, menstruating girls and women to sleep in a hut. Cult Chow gold, which is some distance away from the family home. So again, we have the exclusions aspect and the menstruating hut thing going on and then in Bali. So of course, Hinduism is like a huge religion. And they're very very different regional varieties of it. So I just looked at some of those and in Bali a woman is not allowed to enter the kitchen or perform her usual duties Owens, human Smith, wenches menstruating, and she's also not allowed to have sex with a husband again. This is also something that we heard so many times they she has to sleep pod from the family, and she has to keep a close that she was a war while menstruating away from any clothes that she was when she goes to the temple. So if you're a woman in Bali in a traditional context, you cannot wear close to the temple that you win straight it in. And of course, one of the most important regulations is that women on allowed to attend the temple woman strating. And in soon Bill, which is also like Bali in Indonesia, women, keep the cycle secret. Also, which is not something that is very different time and place, right? But this is cultural idea around it that because of this women are considered to seat full. And then they'll Chit and so yeah. And that's you said that because of the secrecy. They will always have control over the men. Right. Well, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So women as opposed to void intercourse while menstruating, and it's believed that sexual and that's a huge problem. So it's believed that sexually transmitted diseases. Other results of women is saving men and having intercourse while demonstrating. And gonorrhea actually translates the the symbo the like the Smoot the word in. I think he'd be Nizhny in. Translates as disease you get from women. And when a man would get this assise. So the is that the only way he can rid himself of it and of the disease and the painful source that it creates is to pass it onto women and the reasoning behind it is that a woman's body can absorb this infection and Paget during menstrual cycle. Oh, jeez. And yeah. And that's hugely problematic. And it's something that also comes up in other contexts so soon, but it's not the only place where this happens. The idea that ministration can either be used for contraception or that it has these magical powers that can heal ST's Oreste is something that comes up over and over again also an ensue this actually led to huge societal problem of men intentionally infecting women with diseases. I mean, vaginas are magical. But. I I will say. This is. Yeah. I mean, okay. I know words there are nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it's also important to see that. To boost and just very putting uncle and bigoted as about menstruation and about women's bodies lead to huge social problems, and to basically sometimes life threatening situations for women Churton all societies whether the exists, basically. And this is a very extreme example. Well, I mean, the other problem is these men have gonorrhea, and they think they're curing their gonorrhea by having sex with a woman, but really they're just passing it on and they're never getting cured either. Unless they at some point take antibiotics, it's totally curable with antibiotics and then in India, Hindus, usually view menstruation is something very positive, especially the first goal and in south India goals often during the first menstrual period, they're giving presents there are celebrations to Mark the occasion. So there are very very different approach. To ministration in Hinduism because there were so different Berenson. So then it becomes a bot mitzvah, then it's like, oh come woman, and then this the jaboomer district and in areas around that the belief is that menstruation is a disease and not a normal going logical process and defec- women women strating another allowed to sleep on beds into kitchens touch male members of the family all eat, spicy foods. And then in a two thousand fourteen study conducted in India, the researchers found that as many as forty two percent if women who participated in study didn't know about Senator pads, oh from where in their anatomy, the menstruation, actually originated and most of them were very scared and worried about the first ministration that they have so again. In Hinduism, like there's a whole variety of ideas about menstruation staunching from it's something to be valued and celebrated too. It's disgusting and a disease and normal too. Yeah. It's something that has magical powers and heels STD's so a whole variety. If it is that is. Yeah. I mean, you were you were complaining about like sex education and all of that in Austria. But I yeah, I will say one positive thing about India is that they were going to be taxing sanitary pads yet twelve percent. And now they have removed the tax hike. What we have in Austria. Because they're they're still taxed with twenty percent. Which is ridiculous. We talked about this last time so chess apart from the five big wealth religions Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism. We can also talk about the small and less. Influential religions and what they think about ministration. Yeah. So shocked to ISM which is a major tradition in Hinduism. It's part of Hinduism by a branch of it where the metaphysical reality is considered feminine and Parvathi or goddess is supreme it includes a variety of goddesses all considered aspects of the same supreme goddess. So if you think of the same way that Christianity were Catholicism talks about like, the father son, and Holy Spirit being all being God this in this sense. We have a goddess and she has different aspects so shocked he hasn't has several different sub traditions ranging from those. Focused on gracious Gowrie to fierce Kali and some shock these sub traditions associate with show. See it their goddess was Sheva or Brahma or Vishnu. So there are there's a goddess. But you a lot of different aspects of shock to ISM like focus on different aspects of that goddess. But since it's a religion focused on goddesses. It's unsurprising that they would have a tradition and and various traditions associated with menstruation. So in her nineteen Ninety-four article, women earth and the goddess a shock to Hindu interpretation of embodied religion. Karti? Cailla Patel argues that female embodied experience is central to the religious practice and beliefs in this religious tradition. And her article explains how the divine is represented quote as a female body of which women earth and got us are but different manifestations birther. She explains an embodied religion as that in which the presence of the female body of women earth, and the goddess is celebrated rather than denied she goes on to explain how quote, a woman's nature is defined in terms of the essential quality of being a woman that is menstruation or re retu- and the term retu-, which signifies menstruation also signifies the cyclical changes of the seasons as well as the orderliness of the cosmos. So it's believed that the menstrual cycle in the female body corresponds to represents the cyclical changes of the seasons and the orderliness of the universe. So a woman's Ritu Dharma is then said not only to in. Interrelate an integrate the concept of women female and feminine, but also interrelate humans to their environment and just sociocultural reality in which their rights and rituals attain fruition. So in a lot of ways this kind of relates back to the metaphor mic theory of culture. So Patel points to field work that was done by Frederic. Apple mar Glenn and Purna Chandra Mishra on the menstruation festival or Raja power of the goddess in the Indian state of Asai or ISA, basically, this is a festival of menstruation of the goddess who is known as Hartron be critiqued. Yeah. Talk Koran bus sued hot and drought pot throw pot and the term barrage of power, basically means that the festival is of the Menzies of the goddess so it takes place between June fourteenth and. Eighteenth. And the earth is basically said to be menstruating. It's believed that for humans to plow or dig the earth during the metro period, violates her and makes her unhappy. So instead they have a festival so the main participants in this festival are women and men from the agricultural community, but members of various social areas also take part in the festival and each day of the festival has different meanings and different ceremonies. I'm not gonna go into all of them. But I will say that the one goddess celebrated in the festival festival is known by four different forms each manifestation is thought to symbolize a different aspect of the great goddess. So for instance, the gar the goddess Hartron d is mother earth who is said to be menstruating during this festival on the other hand, the goddess through potty is remembered and worshipped as the heroine of one of their epic stories. However for the participants different manifestations of the goddess are, not always distinguishable and Hartron is frequently identified as through potty and leading voters of both forms of the goddess speak about them, kind of interchangeably women and men believe that both Ropati the goddess in carnet as Epoc heroine of their epic stories and Hartron the goddess of earth have menstruation in common and moreover women see themselves identifying with the goddess and consider themselves as part of the goddess because they also menstruate just like the goddess. They believe that are representatives of the goddess and that their menstruation is given to them from the goddess. So during this period, there's a annual menstruation course of the goddess is worshiped in the temple the temple stays closed for three days, then reopened receive pilgrims and worshipers. It's one of the most important pilgrimage sites in the world. This is the comma hot yacht temple. And it attracts millions of isitor's each year, particularly for the Ambu botchy Maala festival, which draws upwards of one hundred thousand pilgrims per day for the four day festival. So here's one that is maybe a little more positive. Yeah. I mean, there's a huge difference between looking at regarding your menstruation as what as the thing that makes you similar to go this than than regarding it as filthy and impure, so it's a very different type of physician. I mean, they also, you know, they're not clouding the fields because they think it would make the goddess angry because she's menstruating. So like don't make anyone angry while they are menstruating. This is something that we've seen before it turns Beatles. But at the same time, you know, there is a positive connotation, even though there's this is not impurity per se. It's like we don't want to upset the goddess. So we're going to venerate her and all women can be a part of that. And this still I mean a difference between you know, ideas that maybe. Lead to respecting women more because menstruation is seen as something powerful. And then on the other hand ideas that lead to women being disrespected because some straight, and I think in that case, it's more like the first one. Yes. Yes. That wasn't an English sentence. But you know, what? I mean. I get it. Yeah. So I just wanted to say full, listen as if you're interested in if you're interested in goddess, a goddesses and cults and colts, but religious traditions surrounding goddesses got us believes that you check out a very fest episode where we talked about spring goddesses and the pagan origins of Easter, and you should listen to our episode Twenty-three, which was about someone solstice with the head the motza. And who was who was one of our hosts full before relaunch, so. I think those two in those two episodes. We talked it out about goddesses. Yeah. And that might also interest you. Yeah. And then the last one that I'll talk about is Shinto. So this is a Japanese national religion. Menstruating women are not only seen as impure during their cycle. But they are permanently impure merely due to the fact that they straight which is also something that we heard often today. Yeah. There's the idea that commie the spirits. They worshiped would not grant wishes if you had traces of blood dirt or death on you, and obviously menstruation is like blood and death. So okay, women who were menstruating were not allowed to visit any of the Kami shrines for the duration of their menstrual period. Even today women are not allowed then this is like an older tradition. But even today women are not allowed to enter Shinto shrines and temples during menstruation, and in some instances women are completely banned from climbing the tops of sacred mountains due to their impurity, plus they're just weaker. So no, yeah, they contact anyone sarcasm sarcasm. Furthermore, the tradition is kept somewhat alive in the belief that the shedding of the enter medial end dome. Meet trio lining is a kind of death, which is not an uncommon belief. This idea that it is fully non-pro creative that it represents a an aborted attempt at potentially having a child that it is Representative of death is something that we've seen over and over again in a lot of these tabbies yet one religious tradition that is sometimes very often actually quoted as kind of a positive example full how treats menstruation and menstruating women Sikhism. In Sikhism, women, basically, given equal status to men, and they all regarded as bureaus men, and to seek gurus teach that one cannot be pure simply by washing the body, but it's all about purity of mind. So the real puny is not about how clean your body. But but about how clean your mind is. And guru non Yuk, which is kind of guru, non, yuck. The founder of Sikhism. He condemned. Practice of treating women as impure woman strating because in Sikhism, the menstrual cycle is not considered impure. It's not considered unclearly and the women who menstruate also considered impure clinically and Sikhism says, yes, menstruation has a physical and physiological effect on women. A but she's allowed to pray. She's allowed to do all of the religious. She bang. She wants to do the guru makes it very clear the guru with by the name guru non-uk. Makes it very clear that the menstrual cycle is a quote, God-given process and the blood of the woman. Is required for the creation of any human being and the requirement of the mother's blood is the fundamental live and the menstrual cycle is an essential and God given biological process. And because of that there are no restrictions placed on a woman during menstruation in the feminine principle in the Sikh vision of the transcendent Niki. Okay. This is again a name that I'm gonna put you Niki Gounon to car sing Bright's, quote, the denigration of the female body expressed in many, cultural and religious boost surrounding menstruation and childbirth. Is absent in the sake worldview, grew non-uk openly chides those who attribute pollution to women because of menstruation. So. It seems like of all of the paltry. Alkyl religions Sikhism is the most friendly towards ministration. But there are of course, all the examples of religions appreciating menstruation, you're already heard Liz talk about shucked ISM. I think what's important, and the stated in the introduction to his episode menstruation usually has been regarded as owing Spiring both all full and also and in most cultures at most times menstruation has been a very ambivalent thing, both terrifying and magical, and there are some traditions. That are more on the awesome side of things there are some traditions that I'm on the full side of like interpreting ministration, but usually we must I think we must not forget that both into partitions part of the same coin. The Europe in North America. For example, they practice menstrual seclusion. And the uric woman used a small hop NIA. The main house the Europe, of course, are a native tribe in North America. However as Gottlieb one of the authors of blood magic that I already quoted. A book that already quoted earlier today, she said she states quote Europe, a native tribe from the north west coast of the United States stratified by Klaus had a group of aristocratic women who saw the periods as a time for purifying themselves, and as many women living in close proximity. Do this group had the peers at the same time each month and quotes, they were on a shed menstrual cycle and did a series of rituals during the cycle that they say was a period of the most heightened spiritual experience quote. So on the one hand, we have this practice of exclusion from society. But then on the other hand, those women experienced that as a very positive thing. Again, two sides of one coin among the Alithia women of the South Pacific got lip says breast feeding women joint menstruating women in those odds of seclusion. Along with the children. And she says that that kind of created this party atmosphere, basically. While Hudson while menstruation hearts can be exclusionary and like tortuous experienced in some places, they're all variations on the theme and in lissi women in the South Pacific, breastfeeding women menstruate menstruating women were kind of excluded from society to gather. They interpreted that as very positive thing and kind of threw a party and in some parts of Ghana in west Africa, young go sit under umbrellas that are very beautifully crafted like those those a beautifully crafted ceremonial umbrellas that done like made for this occasion when they begin menstruating. And then the family gives her gifts and pays her Hamaj is and she celebrated like a Queen like, we we already talked about this in with with all to some areas in India menstruation is celebrated. And then for the Bengals women of the Ivory Coast Cutler found that male in post restrictions on menstruating women. Also, come with positive twist because quote, an older men religious leader in the local religion told me menstruation is like the flow of tree you need the flow before the tree can fruit. That's a very different ideology than the ideology of sin and pollution. Unquote. So yeah, I already said that the flip side of the menstruation is powerful. And terrifying coin is like, the ministration is powerful and terrifying. And that's why we use it for a pup assesses. And then in some religion menstruation can even be a powerful tool because okay, I'm going to have to say it again. So the flip side of this idea that ministration is powerful. And terrifying is also that. In some traditions. Menstruation is powerful and terrifying. And that's why women can use it for their own purposes. So in some religion menstruation can be a tool and in some New Orleans voodoo, rituals menstrual blood is used weakened seamen's, drew blood as powerful and as connected to wisdom, again, one thing that we must -nificant hit is the fact that ministration might be celebrated and giving a special status is usually just the other side of the impure disgusting coin over every reaction to that. As in the case of wiccans. Right. So even the ministrations, I'm not normal natural part of life. But something other something special, and even the most of us live, very secular lives nowadays. And we don't really follow orthodox religious rules. Even though we may be. You know, we may come out of religious traditions. The tabun the shame and the shaming surrounding when station is still very real. We talked about this in episode of a series administration. And the idea that ministration is something disgusting. Unclean or scary seems to be very deeply ingrained in all Pasha alkyl cultures. And to wrap this whole thing up. I would like to quote from the medium obstacle by Katie Simpson. She says quote. Whether you believe in God and not these two booze Matto in two thousand ten the one point six billion, Muslims one point three billion Hindus and two point seventeen billion Christians that sixty nine percent of the total world population. Everyday these to impact millions of women some of it isn't this drastic as being kicked out into HUD. One study shows that women are seen as less human when they hold when the scene holding a clean menstrual product, but more importantly to boost shape, how we view around bodies. Another study showed that women from traditions with rules around ministration when more embarrassed ashamed in secluded compared to other women so should women around the world, abandon these rituals. Not so fast. The same study also found that women had a stronger sense of community than those without minstrel which rules, though, these rituals keep women a pot. It also gives them. Face with each other ritual in in my opinion, isn't the issue. The problem is the tabu and shame underlying it combining silence and seclusion max unnatural cycle and bodies as Elian and different America. In some ways is a perfect example of this as a country with a strong Christian heritage. We no longer have rituals keeping women apart. But the tabu still impact as society, it's inside my own. It's inside my embarrassment holding attempt on while walking into bathroom it lives in the crazy. PMS woman troop it sits between my teeth as they clench struggling to deal with Krems while in a meeting we all excluded anymore. We just have to pretend it isn't happening. Religious menstrual to booze a still an obstacle for women keeping us from being seen as fully human yet. I'm still hopeful after all the variety of religious views administration. Shows out to boost on the only way. Quote. So and that goes full circle back to first episode where we talked about periods shaming Imperia Chaim all of what we talked about today. Even though it's other contexts from own. It's like different places different times. It's religious traditions that may maybe more off the dogs are more conservative than what we grew up with. But the fact that we have the same ideas, the same tropes coming up over and over again just shows us that the something still are dealing with, you know, and it's the same tropes that also come up in European traditions in a North American traditions. You know, it's like it's the same thing that is still happening in pop culture nowadays with as. As k Simpson says, I'll create the crazy PMS woman trope though shame around having a period. The shame around. Leakage? You know, the the idea that menstruation is something disgusting all of that all of that has its roots in what we talked about today. And that's why it's important and the more that we're quiet about it. The more that we participate we as a culture, not we just as women, but we as a culture participate in the silencing of narratives about menstruation silencing about like, we stopped talking about menstruation, the more we kind of reinstate she ate these taboos about menstruation. And if we talk about it more, if we have dialogues about it, if we make it less of a secret thing, then we have the ability hopefully to kind of flip that script and change that narrative and make it less taboo, while still creating these spaces for menstruating people to be able to talk about there. Bodies and menstruation something a lot of feminists in the seventies to kind of create a safe spaces. And one of those one of the goals of the. The. Agendas of those safe spaces was that women could also talk about. Their sexual organs and the menstruation all of that. Yeah. Absolutely. So next time we'll be the fourth episode in series. And then we'll talk about how all of the things that we talked about today manifest themselves in pop culture, because we'll talk about menstruation in pop culture and. We'll see whether some of the tropes that we talked about today. Also figure into modern day. The modern day images that created around ministration. Yes. 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#EERS S9 Ep6: Media: Orange Man Bad. Always Bad.
"I don't know that we're capable of being honest in this country. Any more I I would like to. I would like to think so. But I'm not sure David Brooks has an op Ed in the New York Times they let me read you. Go to just actually pushed it out on social media the anti-trump echo chambers incoming a mirror. Image Image of trump himself overwrought on calibrated and incapable of having an intelligent conversation about any complex policy problem. Maybe so and now I say hey. There's an welcomed by the way I should start here at this point. Welcome it is Erik Erikson Atlanta's evening news on WSB. The phone number is awake. No it's not Atlanta's that's all. I have done this all week. I Apologize I do have another show and it is in the evenings and it is Atlanta's used but that's not this show. This is my own show the Ericsson show uh-huh and it's a morning show not an evening show e it is listen. It's a Friday that is drunk and thought it was Monday. Not Me Friday itself. We actually got up this morning. They say to me Oh my gosh. y'All seriously we've hit peak teenager in our house where whereas we're headed to bed last night the teenager says we're out of bread the bread well. You're thinking well maker started. The problem is is not hers. It's her brother so I had to at midnight last night. DECIDE DO I wanna go to Kroger and get mugged in the parking lot or do I wait republics to get up this morning. I wound up stood over that got up this morning had to scramble around. I'm still behind in Chopra because I had to go buy bread so that the eleven year old in which for lunch at school today because the fourteen year old it all the bread. It's just one of those days you'll have to bear with me. We'll get through this together the phone number here here on the Uric Erickson show. If you'd like to be a part of the program is eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven and three seven four to five. Let's just keep it real now. This has been the reason I say. We can't actually have a non-partisan conversation seniors not me. And it's probably not most of you listening. We should be capable of having a conversation that recognizes some facts That and people don't want to actually give credit for but it is a fact. We have the jobless economy report right right now They were expecting one hundred sixty thousand jobs to be created What was created was a hundred forty five two thousand jobs? The unemployment rate is holding steady at three point. Five percent There are a record number of Americans working king and this is actually a good thing. We've got record unemployment. We have record. We've got record growth in the stock market. 401K's or doing well. I don't know about your four zero nine. I assume your four zero nine. If you've got one is is doing well as well. The President Killed The number one bad guy on the planet the Iranian response to it is functionally impotent. And I'm assuming I am assuming that people are going to be able to. Who am I kidding? They're not going to be able to give the president credit for this. This was a really good week for the president of the United States. It was a really good week for the president. It is a it is a a week. Where the president of the United States was able to come out and look like a statesman? The president of the United States was able to come out. And and say we we got rid of the guy who is destabilizing. The Middle East the Iranian response was they. They literally pounded did sand. The Iranians fifteen missiles four broke apart in air fifth exploded or landed and broke up without exploding. Ten of them landed at Al Asad airbase as there was no loss of life they literally blew up sand dunes. There were a couple of pieces of infrastructure that were vacant that were blown up the Iranians of NALCO. Oh come on. We meant to do that. We Mitt to blow up sand dunes the Iranians we now know shot down Ukraine's Raines airline and the media pivot is awfully gross. The media pivot is to attack attack and say that president trump caused the plane to go down. y'All this is this is actually pretty striking. Donald trump caused climate change to commit two hundred plus acts of arson in Australia. Donald trump caused the Iranians to shoot down a commercial jetliner and Donald Trump apparently is to blame for the movie cats. I mean he's got to be. It's that awful. Surely He's he's to blame for the movie cats as well. You'll and now you know what the media's outrage about let me play you let me reroute my sound here to make sure you're going to be able to hear this audio. I won't play the Donald Trump. We've got lots of lines from the rally last night but I wanNA play you. This particular soundbite. That has the media apoplectic about this morning. This is the latest thing. They're complaining about. Listen to the president of the United States but they WANNA have open borders. They want to have sanctuary cities. The radical Democrats have never been more extreme than they are right now they are stone own call crazy. As I'm saying this stuff you know. They want crime they one on chaos. I'm saying all this stuff then. I say cheese now I sort of understand why they hate me but it's true it's true. Their policies are a disaster. They're bad politicians and they have horrible policies but what they do they stick together and they're vicious. They're vicious horrible people. I didn't in USA say that they are horrible people. What they do to people is a disgrace but they stick together now the Republicans? Thank you very much. It's the Republicans my man the Republicans. We were one hundred ninety six to nothing in the house and I have a feeling the senate is going to be great. Also one ninety-six the Democrats. That was the president speaking at his rally. Last night the media is upset. He called the Democrats vicious horrible people. Where was the media? When Hillary Clinton was calling trump's voters deplorable where was the media because I distinctly weekly remember the media talking about it but not with sustained outrage? The president of the United did States tells people the Democrats are vicious horrible people in. That's all the media wants to talk about this morning. All the they WANNA talk about. Mix It to Megan Markle Harry. Sorry Prince Harry leaving Britain being big a you know we fought a revolution show so we wouldn't have to care about these people. Every American seems to care about them but the the media wants to talk about that and they want to talk about the President Calling Democrats vicious horrible people in a way they never wanted to talk about the Democrats calling trump voters deplorable. Yes I'm talking fast. I'm wound up. I'll who slowdown. That's what they wanNA fixate on today because they can't fixate on the last week they can't really talk about the last week to the extent they talk about the last week. They've got up now. Blamed the president of the United States for taking down an airliner that he had nothing to do with. They've they've got to try to find something to blame the president about because he had a really really good week he had a really good week. He got rid of the strategic genius behind Iran's advancement advancement in the Middle East. The Iranians responded impotently. And we've got jobs numbers today that we have record word employment in this country. That's really good. That's really good and yet the media can't bring themselves to say it. The the media at this point is completely polluted with partisans against the president. You my morning piece. Let let me the I I had in a moment of brilliance yesterday. Yeah it is rare. y'All it is rare for me You know I I have hit forty four in in dad brain and getting old and and firing on all these pillars. It's it's listen. I had a moment brilliant yesterday. Limit let me share with you some of my moment of brilliance. In the modern era it is difficult to come up with an administration that has been as much energy trying to sabotage its successor. In Office Office Obama Administration officials have worked tirelessly tirelessly to embed themselves in the media outlets supposedly objective. Voices after the president oversaw all the killing of Iranian jewelry Qassim Salami and as missiles fell from the sky into Iraq and Iran or into Iraq from Iran. Those voices took to the airwaves gives to push the Obama line against president trump in the American media with help from former Obama. Staffers trump was the bad guy. Iran was the good guy. Iran de escalated tensions trump made things worse on CNN alone. You Jim Scuitto of the Obama Administration sitting as an objective news anchor. CNN also by the way has Valerie Jarrett's daughter Laura in an anchor chair. They had hired her as a department of Justice reporter. They've now booted a guy in the morning named daybreak who was awesome and they put her in his chair. The White Guy got booted out so Valerie Jarrett's daughter could get his position And so now. She's on the early morning. Show as a news anchor because you know we we we C. N. man's gotTa have diversity now but they've all got to be Obama voices and he didn't work for Obama and his mom didn't work for Obama so he had to be canned so we could get an Obama surrogate in the anchor chair at gene. And we've got to people with direct ties or indirect ties to the Obama Administration. who were anchor chairs at CNN? They can toss to news analyst who you also work for a Barack Obama and ask them. Hey how how. What did things do and obviously Orangemen bad? You've got James Clapper of the Obama Administration gratien pretending to be a straight news national security analyst for CNN. I mean it makes me WanNa bring back Baghdad Bob now when I was a kid we you had the Americans ends invaded Iran or Iraq Win was no this was this would have been. This was the George Bush Iraq war so I was. I was growing up at the time but there was Baghdad. Bob Baghdad Bob was the Iraqi press guy for Saddam Hussein in Baghdad. Bob would hold these bizarre press conferences every day where he was would say. Hey that they have the American swine. They've surrounded the Americans wine they have destroyed an entire division of Americans. We shot them as they jumped jumped out of plane from the sky. Their dead bodies littered the ground as they fell. We blew up a stealth bombers. He would say he would bring out these things and he would show. Oh this is from the stealth bomber was shot down and it was. It was not literally as the Americans are moving tanks into the streets of Baghdad. Baghdad bob is having having a press conference saying the Americans have destructed destroyed. The Iraqis are declaring victory. The war is over litter. I mean that's it and that guy was more credible double than James Clapper. Newsweek actually reported last week James Clapper the director James Clapper. The former director of national intelligence has urged Americans to be skeptical of president. Donald Trump's justification for the assassination of Iranian General Qassim Selemani meanwhile the New York Times reports the director who clapper supported quote quote had advised Mr Trump that the threat the Iranian general presented was greater than the threat of Iran's response if he was killed according to current and foreigner former American officials indeed aspel had predicted the most likely response would be missile strike from a Rhonda basis where American troops were deployed. The very situation that appeared to be playing out. So who do we believe the director or the people ideologically dedicated to protecting Barack Obama's precious Iran deal in fact whether you're watching the Obama team anchor. CNN OR MOUTH MOUTH OFF ON MSNBC or provide supposedly objective news analysis. It's striking how much they deny reality. The whole idea that Iran was somehow able and capable of doing all this without that money that we gave them the fact is there attack was functionally impotent. But it could not have. They couldn't the fueled the missiles had Barack Obama. Not Giving them one hundred fifty five million dollars. We gave them that money in two thousand fifteen in defense of the deal Secretary Secretary of State John Kerry told. CNBC some of Ron's money would go to terrorist groups. Here's a direct quote from John Carey in two thousand fifteen. I think that some of it will end up in the hands ends of the I. R. or other entity some of which are labelled terrorists. You know to some degree. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that. Every component of that could be prevented Carey said the IRS is the Iranian revolutionary. Guard Corps. Sulamani was in charge of the cuts force connected to it and the Iranians used the money. Barack Obama SOM to fund the terrorists they funded funded the eighties with it they funded the militias they funded the missiles and now Obama. Reporters Obama Surrogates Obama Obama loyalists. There on TV shaping the news telling you what to believe until you went to telling you what is the news and telling you. What isn't the they anchor? The news desk they serve the purported objective analysts. You've got the Obama loyalists as the news anchor. Talking to the Obama. Loyalist is news analyst about what happened and guess what Orangemen bad in the entire thing. The president of the United States killed Iran's top man. The Iranians couldn't respond functionally to it and the jobs. The report is good. Unemployment is a record. Low jobs or record high. The stock market has record high in all the media can do is pivot to try to find something to complain about President. Oh and by the way. Nancy Pelosi's impeachment is starting to fall apart. After weeks of everyone say Nancy. Pelosi is a strategic not genius. It's beginning to fall apart. Even Democrats in the House are starting to say there's a problem even Democrats are coming. Don't say no. We shouldn't curtail the president's abilities to fight with this war powers resolution. You'll it's been a good week for the president whether you like him or not be intellectually honest enough to give him credit for a good week. Be intellectually honest enough to recognize. It was Iran. That shot doc. Down a jetliner not the president of the United States there are times where I complain about. Republicans not being intellectually honest. They're not willing to acknowledged that the president did something wrong. And some of you will in the course of the history of this program getting mad at me for saying that but but I think if you surrender your intellectual honesty you and I may disagree about outcomes. We may look things and look the same way but look at them differently. See the same facts interpret them differently and that's fine but it's really really really hard to surrender all honesty in every sense of humility just to wage partisan warfare just designed to get yourself back back in power and that's where we are with the left today which I guarantee you is going to try to find something to distract from the fact that it's been really good week for the president the United States. I really do his opinion on Eric. Erickson the information you need and the truth you math tells it like it is live every weekday day. I promise I haven't been passively aggressive with the pound cake recipe that promised like three days in a row I would send out. I know listen. I'm sorry life gets in the way. Sometimes life gets in the way I will get it to you though. I WanNa play some audio for you. This is news Katie Simpson. She's with Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Let's start with the Canadians. We'll move the Americans. I think a significant question that Canadians ed particularly the families of these victims are going to have is Are Sixty three Canadians dead because of the the unintended did consequences of decision made by the US president. And that's going to be a big question because there have been very significant questions and concerns raised here in Washington Washington about why the United States decided to act. Why did decide to kill? Iran's top general when it did the United States states talk officials in the trump administration have publicly said there was There was evidence that showed a general Solani posed an imminent threat to American can lives. However lawmakers particularly Democrats have come forward to say the information they have been provided on top secret basis? does not satisfy the questions they have does not answer the questions about okay. What was that imminent threat? Why did you decide to do this? What exactly was at risk? Who was exposed? Why did the trump administration decided to make this who've now because of course the consequences Many had feared in the United States and and around the world those consequences would be quite significant. You just heard a Canadian reporter essentially blamed Donald Trump for this. Listen the Chris Cuomo's discussion on CNN. The ability to escape responsibility off for this. There's this suggestion all they'll probably blame the United States will. How forensically are you going to be able to determine where these missiles came from if they let the NTSB in on the investigation as has been ping pong back and forth? The latest word is that that Iran would let Boeing the manufacturer have a representative there. which may well be an NTSB REP to go? Would you be able to rule out that this was anybody but them and then how do you escape responsibility. Well you would be able to to rule out who it wasn't right. I don't know if you'd say who it was or why they did what they did. But it's definitely we can do rebuilds if you'd remember the mate seventeen Accident that was that was a different missile. It was the I believe is the Mr fifty-six boop Nestle but that was a a different set it was much more sophisticated but at the same time we were able to reconstruct it. Sure exactly where those penetrations went in where they came from and in fact we know there was three meters years from the cockpit when that explosion happen and sending shrapnel into the airplane so from this we can take that shrapnel take that aircraft and those pieces and do a reconstruction and find out nearly exactly where where it exploded in the direction in which way it came from so the facts will show who has to own this whether it will be on and what it means going forward. We're going to take up later in the show but it's not in dispute at this point that the Iranians are the ones who launched the the missiles to shut it down. The United States did not blow up an airliner. But if you listen to most of the press coverage you would think. Donald Trump is personally responsible for blowing up Ukrainian airliner leaving Iran which is absolutely not true trump derangement syndrome is polluting the press. All righty eighty welcome back it. Is Eric Erickson here. I've got joining me on the phone. Assuming this is working because I'm routing it myself since my call screeners killing hogs. I've got Chris Burns the phone with me. How are you antagonistic? Eric or user. I am great. I wanted to get you on the phone. I'm glad I can do this. y'All I'm literally routing my Cell Phone by Bluetooth Bluetooth to the mixer in the studio on my own on the fly because I got a call screener hall cutting now. I wanted to get you on. Chris Bird's not only guests does but the head of dynamic money the This jobs report now. One hundred sixty thousand that Statisticians an all were expecting but still really good. They'll really solid and much of we've seen honestly for the last number of years. which is we're we're breaking records obviously ten years now of consecutive job growth? Which is the longest we've ever seen? They've been tracking this for eighty years over double the longest of the previous record unemployment. The lowest You know since the Vietnam War Really everything points towards things are going really well. The one kind of confusing point and economists have been talking about about this for years. I it doesn't make any sense to anyone is that wage growth has been somewhat stagnant. We've seen a little bit of wage growth for low-income income earners but really beyond that. Not a lot and it doesn't make sense because when you have this reduced Labor Pool because unemployment is so low that drives competition competition competition. Usually drive up wages But we're not seeing bat and so that's probably the only point in the report that's confusing in the midst of over overall. Look look very very strong. That is in the free market. It does seem to be that I mean we hear these reports and in fact I guess we're we're seeing that story now that it even Taco Michael Bell is having to pay some managers of stores now upwards of one hundred thousand dollars in some markets so and the minimum wage does seem to be rising but it it it really is it. What a Lotta people have expected? That is kind of weird. Yeah and it goes across the board ten foot I. It's the same conversation about Leyshon by literally. No one really understands dams why inflation hasn't been going up because it according to traditional economics it should be Some of the reasons given would be there's pressure sure. And you know you have the kind of unease and unrest that companies feel about a not wanting to put a lot more money out because of economic pressures issues geopolitical pressures the trade with China. And you have to remember these job. Reports are actually based on surveys. That are done Earlier in the month and win the surveys that the numbers were looking at now. We're done before the US MCA kind of NAFTA. Two point was passed. There were done before the phase one China deal. It was agreed So it may end up next month. We'll get an annual review. That'll be much more specific and it may end up. December looks a lot better then. We expect it because of some of these things that have caused people to take a deep breath and calm down a little bit But again nobody could look at this and say while this is awful. There's there's fantastic consistent all that growth in the US economy and that should give on a practical level for me and you give us more confident because the driving driving force of our economy is the American consumer and with that many Americans employ that says really good things about where we're going well in on at that point. Let's just go there because we we also know human nature and oftentimes human nature is when things have been going well for so long That people start to think. Oh Gosh something. Bad must be about to happen. That E. P.. I hear all the time my theology for instance you know. Christianity has no concept of Karma but our brain seemed to to have it Wired into us that when things are going well something bad must be about to happen. Well sure that that's why all year long I was. It was amazing to me reading articles cool and really well known publication Wall Street Journal The New York Times that would not op ed pieces journey actual straight journalistic pieces. That would stay with no hint of irony the coming recession the coming downturn You know that it's imminent that it's going to be here soon with really but nothing no evidence to back that up honestly except for what you just said if we really get under the surface just this feeling that this can't last forever right job growth. Oh can't last forever. The economic strength can't last forever and that's true but again we're already double the length of the last record on job growth even even when you look at the bull market even though it's a longest bull market in history. There's nothing saying that can't go five more years but might only be five months and that uncertainty kills us we gate uncertainty so he went to edge towards something that we can do some sort of belief in for a lot of people's edging towards well. Something terrible is about to happen because he had so much good bat bath on its way but there's really no evidence of that at this point well in by all signs I mean the evidence is as you were saying things things can even even with the tariffs and trade turmoil and everything else. We're we're doing a good as a nation actually doing better. Relatively speaking than a lot of other countries out there in the West I yeah and this really impact regular people and here's how it impacts you if you're someone right now I'd probably had five different people who came into my office office last month. who were laid off in the month of December which I think is just horrific right? It's the worst times about the happen But they came in and every time their tendency Ziegler Beata go. I gotta go get work to find something whatever it is. These no work anything and I had to remind them that we are sitting at the best possible time ever and and the history of recording this providing job. And so if you're someone out there that's either right now laid off or you're underemployed. You're not getting paid but you think it should be paid Now there's never been a better time to say look around and try to find a different position because companies are looking. They can't find people they can't find skilled workers even at the overall wages trend isn't great and we're concerned about why is that true. Overall on a micro level in an individual case case now is the best possible time to go out and say hey look I have skills. I should be getting paid better for these skills. Because this won't last forever so I would say the people take advantage of this. This is not normal just like interest rates it's like mortgages right now or are insanely low again. That's not gonNA last forever so capitalize okay. Well thank you capitalize on the on the low interest rates for mortgages as well. I'm enjoying my refinance and my lower house payment. Hey I gotta ask you this to as exciting as the job. Numbers are nineteen seventeen. Comes out today right this movie. Oh Man Yes it comes out nationwide today. Wh You and I need to go see that movie about it can talk about job numbers. That looks amazing for those of you. Who Don't know what this is? This is a movie movie that is designed to to make it look like it's a single take of a guy running. Through the battlefields of Europe. The reviews are incredible. I know several people who saw it. it technically came out Christmas Smith Day nationwide comes out today and I have not heard a single bad thing from a single person about this movie where we're totally going to have to go see it. No agreed and that directly relates the job growth obviously is why I brought it up. Yes exactly we will. We will totally go. Create jobs for the people in the theater served as popcorn. That's right I feel great about that. I think people should feel good. There's good things happening. The economy is solid honestly again now now is the time for regular consumers and take advantage of this because they won't last forever the jump on it. Yeah I totally agree. 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Oh 'cause I was trying to figure out how to build a radio show and we were headed down the path of doing the Dave Ramsey thing and and several people. I didn't know Chris at the time but several the people who I know who I worked with said you know instead of doing that. Why don't you talk to this Guy Chris Burns he actually has a show on on might land affiliate and I did we hit it off? He's great and the basically does take shoot through one on one he and his team the the same ways of learning how to budget and learn how to pay off debt Ed and all that. So he's great he's local and if you want to go to dynamic money dot com he's also going to be a good friend In fact he was at my house last night. We were recording the PODCAST for his show which you can you can listen to now? I WanNa let me go on because it's kind of an awkward the transition to go from the economy into this Ukrainian jet situation and I. I WanNa talk a little bit more about that. You need to hear some of the audio. That's out there about it. We also need to get into the president's rally. There is news out of Georgia as well. Kelly Leffler has signed onto a number of prolife measures in the the. US Senate She's hiring her staff. The speaker of the House has decided to Pontificate on gambling that the voters should decide he has hired someone who got indicted in Alabama gambling scandal which is probably again a tone deaf boneheaded mood within that move? That's the speaker of the house though. We got a a lot of other stuff to get into here but Bottom line on the economy hundred forty five thousand jobs added in December that may be revised up the jobs. Bob In Georgia just so you know we have now still record low unemployment in Georgia record low employment record. High Job Breaks Employment Rates in Georgia which is really really good? And let's if we're honest about it Our elected officials don't necessarily deserve a ton of credit but they will and so. That's good for the president and good for Brian. KEMP WANNA be on the show Paul Eric now at eight seven seven ninety seven Eric. That's eight it's seven seven nine seven three seven four to five a lot of questions from people this morning on what is a non binding resolution in the House of Representatives passed a resolution A war powers Resolution Urging the president not to engage in further hostilities. Instilling disapproving of his strike on Selemani House. Democrats also want to pass a resolution and and it's nonbinding. So what's the difference between the two Willie. A resolution can have the force of law but a resolution that has the force of law has to have legal language language in it compelling Someone to either do something or refrain from doing something and has to be passed by both houses of Congress. The non-binding resolution from the house was just a sense of the house and we Orange Man Bat essentially is what it said and so it has no force of has no weight of law no rule of law nothing like that. And so. That's all you need to know now. Mark Meadows The WHO the outgoing chairman of the House Freedom Caucus. He took to the floor of the house else and had some choice words on this issue nonetheless. I never thought that I would hear on this house. Floor and apology to the Iranian people people for an action that we took that was justified. Taking out terrorists I cannot believe it and yet we just heard that on this house for we have a gentleman who gave his legs and service to this country and yet we're apologizing to the Iranians with a nonbinding resolution. That is nothing. Nothing more than a press. Release Madam Speaker. It has no effect. It doesn't do anything in fact. The Supreme Court says that they know that all they're doing is trying to get a press release keep them from having a primary opponent. This is sad a sad sad day and yet here we are. We're having another speech to try to take on the president of the United States for actually taking out a terrorist. I would ask my colleagues opposite. How many Americans did as a terrorist have to kill before they join with us is six hundred not enough? Does it have to be a thousand ten thousand a million. At some point we have to stand up and let the long arm of justice. Go in and take out these terrorists. I'm here to tell you today. This nonbinding resolution. Indeed they WANNA talk about their constitutional requirement will check with the Supreme Court in one thousand nine hundred eighty three day. Rule that this has has no effect at least are senators opposite. They know that it has to be a joint resolution and yet what is this vehicle. Normally designed I'm four for soapbox derbies at least that accomplishes something all this does is emboldens. Our enemies to suggest is that the American people are divided. But I'm here to tell you that we are not divided. We are a safer country because the action of this president the decisive of actions of this president in our military and more importantly than that this war powers act that got passed. It was a message that came out of a difficult time but I want the message to be clear today. We are standing behind our military men and women we have their back and we will tailed amen to that people say oh. That's so much. Listen to Chris Matthews on on CNBC NBC. Discussing the death of Solomonic or what. We should've known I go back to the cars on this. You know in some people will die. We you know you don't know what the impacts in a baby. When Princess Diana died for example there was a huge emotional outpouring these kinds of Elvis Presley in our culture it turns out that this generally killed was is a beloved hero of the Iranian people? To the point where look at the people who've got pictures now these enormous crowds coming out. There's no American emotion in this case. But there's a hell of a lot of emotion on the other side leaders know what they're doing when they kill somebody a sued Sulamani dying gene is equivalent to the death of Elvis or princess. Diana listen to Congresswoman Jackie Speier on CNN CNN. Joining us. And I want to start with this plane crash Have you been briefed on it because it certainly sounds like it was a mistake by the Iranians. Do you think they assumed this was some sort of. US military plane well. I haven't briefed on it Wolf Intelligence Committee so I'm not really at liberty to say but if what is being being projected is true this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the President United States. So it's his fault it is his. I want to play you more of this this again Congresswoman Speier Very Anti Republican Anti Donald all trump on with wolf blitzer on CNN. Have you been briefed on it because it certainly sounds like it was a mistake by the Iranians you think they assumed this was some sort of US military military plane. Well I haven't briefed on it wolf and the Intelligence Committee so I'm not really at liberty to say but if what is being projected it's true This is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States. There's this type of miscalculation let's say on the part of the Iranians more likely. Now to result in even heightened tensions. I would say that the continued Sabir. Excuse me the the continued sabre-rattling by the president doesn't help us I also feel L.. Strongly that by taking out general so Amani that that did not somehow Rid us of any of the planning that the Iranians this would be doing or that. The Shia militia that is throughout the region is also engaged doing and we also have the leader of the Shia Militia who was assassinated as well that may be the subject of some efforts to seek revenge. This needs to be escalated selected. The president needs to stop sabre-rattling he needs to find a way to Use Our allies to find a means by why not just camping this down but getting Iran to the table where we can renegotiate a joint agreement on the use of nuclear or weapons and Move forward in a manner that is is not as a bellicose. As the president has been as he addresses the retina ran has good a bad actor. Sulejmani was bad actor but there are many people in that region and around the world that are bad actors. We have to find a way to live together and attempt to move towards peace. We did that. We killed Selemani. Who was one of the chief people responsible for their or not being peace in the Middle East? You know what is striking and I got hate mail yesterday after this program I actually did. Yes yes I did. Get Hate Mail after this program yesterday because I said something that really made a couple of people make it was more than one person and I clearly incited people for saying this and it's a it's actually. A true statement is a statement of fact that Donald Trump is the first president in the twenty first century tree to not start a war in the Middle East and North Africa. That's actually a statement of fact George W Bush went to war in Afghanistan. SHANNA stand in Iraq. Brock Obama went to war in Libya and committed troops to Syria. Now you may not like that. I point that out. But it's a statement of fact that this president has not started wars. You all thought he was going to start a war last week. The number number of people on television who were saying this was going to start world war three and it didn't. I mean these people should never be listened to again the number of people who were committed to the idea that he was going to start world war three. Don't listen listen to him again. And he has in the fact that I got hate mail for pointing that out for people who become delusional. No it's actually a statement of fact it is a statement of fact and Y'all it trump derangement syndrome is real thing when we come back. The president had a big rally last night. I've got lots audio audio. I WANNA walk through. We've got Georgia News. We need to talk about as well L.. Oh there it is Erickson here. The irks across the state of Georgia. I had to pause we all in my first hour this morning. I started by giving you the name of my evening show instead of this show and proceeding to give everyone my cell phone number as the caller is it is the first full week back at work. At least it's a Friday. Tgif the phone number here is not my cell phone number or my evening show number it is actually eight seven seven nine seven three seven four two five eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five and you can't actually call in because my call screeners hog hunting But if you call it I have voicemail you voicemail. If you need leave a message we will listen to it employed on the air. If you don't suck breaking news happening right now. As has a fifty seconds ago. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has hit twenty nine thousand for the first time. Ever that is. Let's see let me let me do a let let me do across the board check here. We've got Weather Wise No. Let me put it off got three screens. I'm looking at let me put it on this one. We have weather wise at this. This moment It is a fifty seven in a deer's Ville fifty four in Athens. fifty-seven Blue Ridge fifty four Carrollton fifty two Clarksville fifty-seven Dalton an sixty four Eastman fifty five Jasper fifty-five Rolm sixty six VALDOSTA sixty four. That should cover a pretty much everyone. Oh and here in making it is fifty nine degrees where I am and right now. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is at twenty nine thousand. Three point five A A record for the Dow Jones Industrial Average viewer here in the first hour. Chris Byrne said he thought we may see this given the jobs numbers. The jobs numbers. If you haven't heard one hundred forty forty five thousand jobs created one hundred forty five thousand jobs created that is less than they were originally thinking. But we're still at full employment in this country Unemployment is at three point five percent. We've actually seen a spike in the number of people who have gotten back into the workforce The United States is now seventy five percent percent employed. Which is actually up from the sixties? A lot of people who decided to retire or just give up on getting work. Have come back into the workforce. There were some concerns that we would see a spike in the rate of unemployment. Because those people came back in but they all found jobs so it is. It's good it it's it's it's actually we've got really good numbers I gotTa tell you is if this was a Democratic president and and we had the news today on the stock market and we had the news today on And we had the news today on on the jobs the media would be beside themselves excited. But because it's Donald trump they're actually not super super excited and they're not really talking about it and just ask yourself. Just ask yourself if you're a fair fair minded person. Ask Yourself if the Dow Jones hit a record high and we were at full employment in this country under Barack Obama. What would the media you say well? As a matter of fact we know Because when unemployment started going down after the great recession of two thousand eight into two thousand ten two thousand eleven when the economy I started doing better than the Dow Jones started going back up the media was breathlessly covering it on a daily basis with all sorts of excitement and now they can't because Orangemen bad and they can't give the president credit because they are involved in trying to destroy the president of the United States You know give the president enough room. And he's GonNa say something that undermines himself and right now. The media's not even doing that they are rapidly rapidly trying to go after the president himself and that's actually making the president present. Look good because so many people distrust the media in this country. It's fascinating now. I need to pause here Because I need to to do an important announcement for every single person listening to this program wherever you are in the state of Georgia. Those of you who are watching on facebook live five youtube twitter wherever I apologize. If you're a national I know we have somehow developed a national audience. 'cause I I get emails from people around But for those of you in Georgia whatever station. You're listening to my voice on Right now please seriously. This is not a promotion of your local radio station or whatnot. This this is actually serious. We're expecting a weather system to come into the state of Georgia overnight tonight. And it's going to be bad they. We are starting to see a sea meteorologist. I was talking to one this morning. And he said they're starting to see some signs of it Scaling back that. It's not going to be as strong as they were originally expecting. It slowed down loss energy but there are still a chance of Tornadoes and wind gusts and severe thunderstorms. On on Saturday afternoon. They will not know for sure the strength of the storm until it comes through and it's mostly effect people from tift in north Makin for sure is going to get rain. The further north you are. Apparently it's going to be even stronger so for example I. I'm looking right now. In enrollment appears tomorrow. There's going to be ninety percent chance of Thunderstorms not just rain but thunderstorms under storms. In making right now where I am It is suggesting that the rain is going to start a little bit this evening. And there's a fifty percent chance of thunderstorms storms That actually intensify over the next several days North Georgia tends to have a ninety percent chance of rain and thunderstorms storms. You go to the east like Clarksville it's going to have a sixty percent chance tomorrow And then whereas Athens in this list. I've got yeah in Athens a sixty percent chance but if you're Jasper if you're in Dalton if you're enrolled like adult and for example has one hundred percent chance of Severe thunderstorms tomorrow. So just please a stick with your local station wherever you are tomorrow If you got satellite the cloud you're gonNA be so thick you're not going to be able to TV if you've got batteries put them in a radio Because the storms are coming and they are expected to be very strong and the further. North Georgia. You are the worst. They're expected to be. So I I just I I WANNA make sure I put in that housekeeping note for you. I don't like to over hype weather. I don't do the weather for you unless there's some the statewide. I'm not going to be on the radio tomorrow but yeah I really I I. I feel very strongly with the meteorologist. I've been talking to about the weather system. That's coming in tomorrow. It's warm and pleasant today in. That just means we're going to get some terrible bill storms tomorrow so beaker the roads and make sure you're listening to your radio station that you can get when you're satellite. TV or your cable lines collapsed. Now we will move into other news. The president of the United States had a rally last night. WanNa play some of the audio from his Him On the campaign trail. The White House has tried to get him out there more and do more rallies. And Begin to start shaping up the Democratic field there is increasing confidence within the White House. You should know among the political team. They actually do think now. Joe Biden probably has a lock on the Democratic nomination they're not yet addressing that they're focusing on the other candidates but increasingly it looks like even this now rise a Bernie Sanders which we will get to here in a bit. They think that it's probably going to wind up being Joe Biden. Here's the president of the campaign trail last night at his rally. Really we have this tremendous military and you know what that is. That's really a great fighting force but I hope we never have to use it. I really do you saw an example. An example of that a couple of days ago so we seek friends not race. But if you dare to threaten Dr Citizens You do so at your own grave payroll and and this new deal. That's the beauty you know. It's amazing I see this congressman. That's been there. His is white hair. Beautiful White. Here notes you at ease with. AFC saying yes. We have to go with the green new deal. And I'm saying this this guy for real I don't know if he believes that he's been around for twenty years in Congress I've seen in my noam a little bit and he's acting like he actually believes it but we're going to just take our time and we're going to relax about three four you're gonNA join some rallies about a month before you're gonNA hear here. The real facts. But I'm tired of talking to them out of things. Ten months before the Election Bernie Sanders healthcare plan would cost over thirty thirty two trillion dollars year. That's more money that we make in five years. That's more money than we'll ever make. He is indeed crazy now always always a let me take that back. No it's a great plan that we have to consider strong. We have to consider his plaid strongly. Now see I'll tell you what the fake news will do. They'll take my last words. It's a great plan. We have to consider it strongly. They'll cut everything out in the front and they'll say donald trump is in favour Bernie Sanders Green new deal. They can do more with the tape deep then they can do with a newspaper now. They'll do that. You'll see it somewhere you'll see it on. Trump supports his plan. Okay can I kill. Can I be really honest with you guys when I do I trust me. I am a professional. I do this for a living but I've gotten to the point where I don't actually listen. Listen to the president soundbites before I play them normally like for example if I'm playing I've got some clips here from Mark Meadows and from Mike Mike Pompeo and Don Lemon and I listened to these clips when it comes to the president's clips. I no longer actually listen to the president's coasts because I want to be surprised prized and enjoy them and laugh along with them. Like the rest of you. People totally areas on on killing Soleimani. So the foolish Iran nuclear deal financed Iranian aggression while allowing a quick path to nuclear. Blue breakout. That's what it is and by the way it expires so soon. They can have nuclear weapons. They're not as I said before they will not have have nuclear weapons subsidizing. Iran's malign conduct the last administration ration- was leading the world down the path of war. We are restoring our world to the path of peace peace through. He's through strike. We got there very early. We saw what was happening. I saw what was happening. I said what's that all about. And that was is going to be another Benghazi. Had they broken through the final panels of glass. They were breaking it breaking it. They gotten through. We would have had either hundreds of dead people or hundreds of hostages. That wasn't going to happen. And I called up our great generals I said get them over there now. Aw and one of our leaders leaders one of our really admired people said Sir. We'll have them there tomorrow. I should know yet in the planes right now have them. They're immediately and they got there. The president of the United States speaking at his rallies night now he did have a heckler. Show up actually. He had several hecklers show up and he decided to deal with them himself. Be Waiting in line for four five six weeks. You couldn't Zia doctor now. If you have to weigh you go out to a private doctor you get yourself taken care of. We pay the bill WANNA difference. It's made WANNA differences. You know when I was a little bit new to this game Hicklin starts back and growled decides to drown. The Matt Tanabe going home to mind. They go home to Mommy. The beautiful sites. Thank you security. Do we love law enforcement by Hawaii. Was this reminds me of. Have you ever seen army of darkness. Go ahead and run run home and cry Mama. The president of the United States last identities go. There's go home to mama go home to Mama security escort them out so they could go home to Mama we got a little more a rallying a AH that we should listen to some of his statements last night. We need to pivot into some Georgia News. Though the you know the legislature convenes beginning Monday You got the legislature in session. And you've got a David Ralston beginning to give interviews. You've got the Republican opposition to David Ralston beginning to fire up again. Then you've got a lot of stuff happening in Atlanta and in Washington with Kelly Leffler. David Perdue the house. Georgia delegation. You've even got the Georgia water wars with Lord and Alabama or Ford and Alabama headed back to the Supreme Court. We'll get into lots of that when we come back as both sides targets Georgia for twenty twenty. Eric gives you the news. You need from Georgia perspective. It is Eric Erickson here. The Erik Erikson Joe Across the state of Georgia. The full numbers eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five the president Wanted to talk about the US. MCA You know the the House Democrats Presser now pressuring the Senate to get past. It looks like the Senate is going to pass it in the president will sign it. Here's what he told the crowd. Last night I immediately cads Ed. So the Obama administration's job killing catastrophe. which would have dealt a death blow to the United States? Auto Industry Industry the Trans Pacific partnership it was a disaster. That was going to be worse than after Nafta Iowa say the world were still i. I think that would have been worse. It would have taken the car. Industry would have taken many of your industries. That was set up for the United States to get fleeced the US MCA. Will we save the American auto industry create over one hundred thousand new auto jobs and our factories will not be closing and moving to other faraway lands. We'll keep them right here and that's going to include because we take care provoke grade auto workers of Toledo the home of jeep. How good is and here's a little more for decades career? Politicians promised to defend the workers of Ohio and then they went to Washington in voted for the same globalist policies that that devastated communities and shipped away your jobs. You know that better than anybody. Ohio knows that but the betrayal of Ohio workers and US workers ended the day. I took the oath of office. And you see that you said Ohio is going to be a big battleground for the president. So he's he's got this economic message and you know you look at the jobs reports right. Now Ohio's doing very very well with his With jobs and wages Chris Burns was here at nine thirty this morning to talk about the the jobs report. One of the things he noted is that economists are still scratching their heads. They don't have a real explanation for why are the why why are wages largely stagnant. And why isn't inflation on the rise in in no one seems to have a good explanation for it Because we know enough about the way markets work and what not that they should be in inflation should be on the rise. Wages should be on the rise and they're not But in some segments of the economy wages are on the rise in fact the service industry and in fact in the lower middle class wages are rising more rapidly than anyone else which actually actually is a good thing? Unemployment is reached the lowest level in over fifty one years African American Hispanic Attic American and Asian American unemployment have all reached the lowest rates ever ever ever recorded. Wages are rising fast. They're going up very fast. And the biggest percentage increase makes me happy are for blue collar workers the middle class. A blue collar workforce. It's it's great now. I will tell you in the jobs report. This is starting to trickle out in the African American media out there that the unemployment rate for black men jumped from five point one to five I point eight percent from November to December The sheer holding jobs was steady at sixty four point six percent. Here's what you need to understand as this become circulated as a hit against the president. Why did the unemployment rate for black men jumped from five point one percent to five point eight percent because they're coming back into the workforce trying to find jobs? That's actually really good. So what what does this mean. Actually remember that. The workforce the unemployment rate only considers people who are looking for jobs and a lot of people actually decided to sit it out because they couldn't find a job and a lot of the people in fact most of the people who decided to sit it out were and minority community Black or Hispanic and win win. They come back in and decide. They're trying to find a job again. It causes the unemployment rate in that demographic group to go up not because they didn't have not because they lost their job but because they didn't have a job in trying to find one. They've come back in so they're counted again as as unemployed when you don't have a job and you're not looking for a job you're not considered unemployed. We don't have have a job and you're looking for a job you do well. These people are coming in now starting to try to find jobs in the American economy so they're Canada's unemployed so the black unemployment rate has gone up not because people lose their jobs but because people who didn't have one are now trying to foment. That's actually a really encouraging sign in the black community for president trump. That he should own you know. I want to actually focus on that tagline here that we we played coming down a break because I am serious about it and we are. We're building a statewide network of stations. And we will actually have a few more stations coming on soon and then there is strength in numbers our state legislature begins meeting on Monday. It is an election year so they don't want to have a major controversial Legislative Session the governor's promised some things on on gun legislation conservatives will like There will be some spinning gene issues. there's going they're going to try to put a gambling issue before the voters insurance Stanley enough. The speaker of the House saying the voters should vote on the gambling. Rambling stuff has hired a guy to help. Keep the House who was indicted in Alabama for a legislative gambling corruption probe The speaker of the House and Georges. Here's the gift that keeps on giving to the Democrats almost like he wants the Republicans to lose seats in the house Because he knows that history these days is coming from the Democrats Backing him not the Republicans. Something's GonNa have to give on that front. And the Republicans are cowards. And and don't want to do it but we've we've got the legislature coming and then one of the things that I do he is and some of you won't like it and We're growing our relationship together over these few months in some of you aren't going to like this but we are though. I have global ambitions for this program. And we've got people who will tune soon in abroad. We've got people who across the nation and I focus a lot of time on Washington Win The Georgia legislature meets. Because we are right now. Just in Georgia. I feel obligated to really cover. What's going on in Georgia as much as I can The big news comes out when the legislature is in session. And we should talk about to. But I don't believe in just talking about the stuff some of you. You just WANNA listen and you don't want to get involved but a lot of you. What solutions for fixing stuff? If there's a problem you want a solution or or if there's a problem you want to get involved in trying to find the solution or get involved in advancing your side and I come from the world of activists. Yeah I was A. I was a lawyer but I got my start as a political activist From political activism I went to law school. I intended to get a job in Washington. I wound up actually practicing law here in making where I am broadcasting and then started writing political campaigns through my law firm As part of my law firm would represent clients. Did their campaign. Finance work would start running campaigns. I I left. The law firm started working at Red State Dot com turned voted into the most influential rights blog on Capitol Hill was continuing to run campaigns. And and then helping conservatives in raising good conservatives up to get national exposure and helping can fundraise for them I just my heart. Is that of an activist. And I know a lot of you that I come into contact with around the state wherever I am Here in making in the line at the grocery store or go up to roll or go go up to north Georgia. Go to Athens in fact if you're in Athens working on a time to speak to to the College Republicans at the University of Georgia here In the next couple of weeks I'll let you know when that is but my heart is that of an activist and I know a lot of you when take action where you can and I wanna make it easy for you to do is the legislature comes. Next week. I have a special email and text message list for four people. If you're nationwide do it as well because when there are things in Congress I I send to this list as well but particularly in Georgia win the legislature meets next week. Inevitably what happens is a lot of bad stuff comes out of the Republicans in the legislature and it needs to be stopped and there are other good things that Republicans want to get past and it's some squishy Republicans who stop them. Take for example school school. Choice and score form the Gov- Lieutenant Governor. Last year had a brilliant plan that would provide money for parents to send their children to any school of their choice. School choice is an issue that has helped Republicans Gain Ayn strength among Black and Hispanic voters in Florida in Arkansas in Texas and elsewhere and it just seems to me that we should do it in Georgia whether you agree with demography is destiny or not and I actually don't. There are a lot of Republicans who do and those Republicans need to realize realized that if if they think demography is destiny than improving the lives of black and Hispanic children by letting them get a better education occasion in a school of their choice would be a wise thing and they don't necessarily They don't necessarily realize that and they should would. For example. Butch Miller is the president pro team in the Senate. Butch Miller from north Georgia owns car dealership. Nice Guy Very Nice Guy Butch Miller scuttled school reform in the state legislature. It had the votes passing the house and Butch Miller worked tirelessly in the Senate to kill school choice reform in the state Senate and he did it on the spur of the moment. Jeff Duncan Force them to put it up for a vote anyway. that angered some of the Republicans it it angered and the Republicans because they don't like to the tradition with Casey Cagle and the the state legislature was that if there was a vote and you didn't think the Republicans Gins had majority support to to pass it. You wouldn't put it to a vote because you didn't want to expose any of the Republicans Jeff Dunkin wanted to expose the Republicans who did not support school choice and school reform and so he put it up for a vote. Any exposed number of bad Republicans in the state Senate Butch Miller being one of them. You have the power to call these people out you. You have the power to demand action you have the power to reach out to your state legislator and tell call them you want school choice. Pass you want score for him and the way you do that is real simple. I try to make it as simple as possible for you. I I want you to get yourself if you're not driving. Don't don't text and drive but if you've got a messaging app they can send SMS or you get your cell phone text. The word Army two three three seven seven seven text the word Army two three three seven seven seven. And here's what's going to happen happen you're going to get a text back asking for your email address in fact I'll do it with you right now just so we can walk through the process together so I'm going to text the number three three seven seven seven. I'm going to text the word army and in a minute. I got a text back at it. Says So. You want to join Eric's army of activists by Tech's look like you're being all cool in techy reply with your email address to join eric at the resurgent Dot Com and now boom because amb you've just joined the email list have a great day that that's that's all it is that took all of five six seconds to do now. What happens with that well win? There is an action item in the Georgia legislature. Coming up next week and for as long as they're meeting if you need to weigh in on it I have a brilliant activist system and that brilliant activists system allows me to text you or email you a link and when you click the link it says Oh. You're coming Leanne from Macon Georgia or you're coming from Rome or you're coming from Clarksville or you're coming from waycross what's your actual actual zip code and you'll give them your zip code and it'll say Oh will then your state senator is John Kennedy or or your State House. Member is Dale Washburn. Or your state senator. Is Butch Miller or your state. House members West Cantrell or whoever wherever. Who who you name it? Wherever you are and it'll say click this link and you can call him right now? It's brilliant. I mean literally I can send and you a text or email and you click the link and it'll remember who you are it'll say hey senator X. or state representative X. is is opposed to this really good idea. Click this link. Call him right now and telling supported in you. Click the Lincoln by got. It calls them. And you'll hear my voice always say I'm going to connect you to your state senator or your State House member and you tell him to support house bill three eighteen or Senate resolution five whatever it it is and sure enough. You hear my voice. I tell you that the phone rings and you have state Senator so and so's office. How can I help you and you tell them now? Why here's what you need to understand about the way our state legislature and Georgia works our state legislature in? Georgia works very hard to who keep you from being able to contact your state legislature legislate tour during the session. It becomes really hard hard for you to contact them during the session. And that's by design because the leadership in the House and the Senate wants them in a bubble in fact you know I was is told by a conservative member of the House last year that the speaker of the House David Rawson works really really hard to make sure that the Conservatives are never in the same room together because he's afraid that they will collaborate like they did on the resolution to get rid of him that they're trying to get signatures for and so they work very very hard to keep everybody separated raided and only get their information from the leadership in the House and the Senate and they make very hard. They worked very hard to make sure they get hold of you so when you're calling the state legislature later when there's an issue and the phone lines go down that matters because it rarely happens and you may not be able to get through your state senator or your State House member but you get to their office now. The other really cool thing about the system that I've gotten by the way I pay for this out of my own pocket. My my my show in Atlanta doesn't pay for this show does not pay pay for the system out of my own pocket. It's about it just went up on me. It's like eight hundred bucks a month and I pay for it out of my own pocket because I want you to be able to contact your member of Congress or your state legislator in some cases a mayor or city council depending on the issue anywhere in the nation when there's an issue and I oh I think conservative activists need to be involved. That's what I do. I want to be able to help you. I don't want to just make you laugh at I wanNA entertain. I WanNa give you the news. I want you to be able to get involved. There is no sense in life if you yelling at the radio because they're doing something stupid or or writing an angry letter when by God I can empower you to pick up the phone and tell them vote for this or dove for this and by the way I'm your constituent and I will make your life a living. Hell if you don't do what I want to do it what you want you to do now. Some people don't like it when I put it that bluntly gently but the fact of the matter is these people in Atlanta work for you and when they get up there in the house and the Senate by design the leadership tries to make them they work for the speaker or work for the Senate president pro tem. Not Jeff Duncan the a lot of these senators you know the the Jeff Duncan came from the House and the House is the enemy the Democrats or the opposition in the house is the enemy so here comes an enemy from the house who gets elected to the state senate president and as Lieutenant Governor in some of these guys want to marginalize him. y'All have the power to take action and you're GONNA need it this year. You're going to need it this year. Because particularly in the House David Rolston understands that he's got to work with the Democrats to preserve power. There are ten Republicans who have signed onto a resolution calling calling for David Ralston's ouster if the Republicans get five more. Well that's the difference between the majority majority. Republican majority Democrat House. So David Ralston has to placate the house. Democrats stay in power. David Ralston behind the scenes is going to do his best to kill any conservative legislation. That House Democrats oppose that. He can't use to make himself look good and there's going to the plenty there's going to be school choice and school reform. There's going to be tax cuts. There's going to be reforms to the film Tax Credit and David Rawson is going on a scuttle as many of these things as possible because he's got a depend on the Democrats to preserve his power not the Republicans you get five more Republicans in suddenly the Democrats own own David Ralston. And so what you have to do is you got to be willing to pick up the phone and you gotTa will be willing to take action. And we're going to talk about the the the film tax credit because there's more there's more of the audit has been released and it's really bad and I support the film tax credit but it's really bad and and we need to talk about it. You need to get educated on this issue because it's gonna a dominating issue in the legislature suspect. I need to get Lindsey Tiffin's to come on the show and talk to us about it he he's the guy who really raised the issue we've now got the audit we've got two reports works that have come out all of them. Say the film tax credit actually does it stimulate the economy as much as its proponents say There's going to have to be some reform to a program that is now almost most a billion dollar program and the speakers GonNa want to scuttle it but that's not just a school choice school choice de ah. He's GonNa work to kill school choice. They're going to work to kill conservative legislation. They're going to work the House leaders by the way they the governor wants some some gun liberalization laws. The governor wants to make it easy for you to get concealed carry permits the governor wants to make it wants to actually put in some laws that would make it more difficult if the the Democrats ever took back the House of the Senate wants to put in some laws that would make it more difficult for them to in the future restrict gun rights through executive action and the. The speaker doesn't want that to pass. He doesn't want the gun rights legislation to pass. But the speaker can't stop a lot of stuff if you are calling your member of the legislature in Yellen Atom. Even some of the Democrats get scared when you call the legislature and you flood the phone lines and I can make it easy for you and I can give you the information I can send you the email I can send you the text message until you take action But only you can take the action and I'm GonNa make it as easy for you as possible. Also you will start to see it in the next couple of weeks you will begin to see the action you will begin to see The power in numbers of this listener audience. It's one reason I want to do this. Radio show and I wanted to spread from north to South East to west the state of Georgia so every conservative of the state will have three hours. Where the the governor honor the Lieutenant Governor? The senator the congressman can come on here and reach every corner of the state of Georgia without having to go fight for for access against a hostile media. Ed Georgia public broadcasting or or the Iranian newspaper. They can come here and they can go straight to conservatives across the state one-stop shop the president the Vice President of O.. Said they want to come on the campaign entrails starts to heat up in Georgia `one-stop-shop. Come here and reach every conservative state but the main reason I want to do it is because I know the power of mobilizing conservatives to pressure our state legislature to hold the line on conservative legislation. And I can give you all the news. I can give you all the facts. I can tell you why it's a good idea. I can tell you why it's a bad idea but I can't call them all you. Can you all together. Have the power to be the activists to make sure that our Republicans in the state legislature don't go wobbly but you gotta start by becoming coming an activist and the easiest way I can make it possible for you. To do is to text the word Army two three three seven seven. That's all you do. Text the word Army two three three seven seven seven seven. I do not sell the email list. I do not run ads on the email list. I just injured alert and say our legislature is about to do something stupid. Click this link and call them right now. I make it as easy as I possibly can for you and I can't wait for the legislature. I do it in Atlanta Atlanta show but my Atlanta shows in the evening as going home. I cannot wait for the power of this radio programs listeners. From nine to noon statewide to be able to the fire up and say you know what let's go blow this up in the state legislature and let them know conservatives are paying attention you pay attention and you get engaged. We're going to beat them every time. The squish is we will beat 'em news and in-depth analysis from Erick Erickson live five days a week and always online at the resurgent Dot Com. I promised almost I'll I'll get I'll get out the cake recipe. I promise I in fact when we get to the top of the hour break I I will get it ready to go. I will not go take my bathroom break and said I will send you the pound cake recipe just text recipe two three three seven seven seven if you WANNA. If you've already done it you don't have to. You don't have to text again. I'll get the pound cake recipe but right now we've got breaking news this is. This is happening right now. previously the president we are announcing additional sanctions against the Iranian regime. As a result of the the attack on the US and allied troops. I the president is issuing an executive order authorizing the imposition of additional sanctions against any individual owning operating trading with or assisting sectors of the Iranian economy including construction manufacturing actioning textiles and mining. And let me be clear. These will be both primary and secondary sanctions. The show also allows us to designate other sectors in the future as Secretary Pompeo and me think is appropriate second. We are announcing seventeen. Seventeen specific sanctions against Iran's largest steel and iron manufacturers set three seychelles-based entities and a vessel. Oh involved in the transfer of products as a result of these actions. We will cut off billions of dollars of support to the Iranian regime and we will continue our enforcement forcement of other entities third. We are taking action against eight senior Iranian officials who advanced the regime's destabilizing activity and were involved in Tuesday's ballistic missile strike. Secretary Pompeo will comment more on this today. Sanctions are part of our commitment to stop the Iranian regime's global terrorist activities. The president has been very clear. We will continue to apply economic sanctions until Iran stops its terrorist activities and commit that it will never have nuclear weapons that was Segment Treasury Steve Mnuchin who just announced that At the White House in the last couple of minutes It is fifty seven seven fifty eight now after the hour. We do need to talk about this back because some of the language he said is actually very important that you need to understand It's not just direct but also indoor extinctions meaning. They're going to sanction businesses that have direct dealings with Iran. They're also going to sanction the businesses that have business with the businesses that have business snus with Iran. If that makes sense so if your business has business with Iran you're getting hit if you're dealing with companies that are dealing with Iran. You're going to get hit as well. This is actually pretty hard. Hard line from the president right now and going after Iran steel industry as well which is a big deal given that a lot of steel on the global market is starting to come from around because 'cause they essentially don't have to care about the environment regulations there in the way we do we'll explore that and more local news when we come back right here on the Eric Erickson show well. I started the morning by a saying I was doing different show than the one I'm doing and then giving out my cell phone number two callers. Welcome Erick Erickson sitting here This is the Erik Erikson show and the actual full number. If you want to call in eight seven seven nine seven Eric. That's eight seven seven nine seven three seven seven four to five. If you haven't done so pleased text the word the word Army two three three seven seven seven and Three three seven seven seven is the number and the word is army because as the legislature begins to meet next week You as a conservative activists are gonNA need to find an easy way to reach out to your member of the legislature and tell them to do or not do something and Well Ooh we need your help and and you need to help yourself and you need to be able to take action and I'm GonNa make it really you if you if you've never heard me in the evening gene in Atlanta. You don't know the system that I have. And what is capable of and Woohoo we will have a legislature that soon gets used to a fully operational Activists Center here as you around the state engage with them and tell them to take positions or not take positions on on particular legislation and now have an the building. I found take for example the speaker of the house situation if you weren't here yesterday. The the speaker of the House is in the midst of scandal handle there is a resolution winding its way through the State House to try to get rid of him. No only ten. Republicans have been brave enough to sign onto it. They need five more Republicans to sign onto it and what the speaker did is he got. A law changed the law that the speaker changed in Georgia was is a law that said if you're in the state legislature for a few weeks after legislation during the legislature and a few weeks thereafter. You as a lawyer cannot be compelled to go to court board if you're in the state legislature. The speaker of the House sat on the committee and right before he became speaker. And had it redrafted. And and said that that if you're the speaker of the House you never have to go to court and then the speaker started getting clients who admitted to pay the speaker twenty thousand dollars in a criminal case ace. The man was accused of savagely beating up his girlfriend him. He's paid the speaker twenty thousand dollars and the speaker kept his case from ever going to court and tool that man told the AJC he paid the speaker twenty thousand dollars and was worth every penny because he kept the case for court. That speaker fired him for being an idiot and bragging about it but For years had kept the case from going to court there was another Girl who travelling pastor stated appearance home the pastor raped the girl. They didn't even know what had happened until she tried to commit suicide. They saw their church turn on them because they accused the traveling pastor of of raping their daughter that case went on for over six years. The girl in therapy having to hang onto what happened to her and it wasn't until the AJC exposed this is what the speaker is doing. The Guy Higher the speaker and the speaker kept occasion ever going to trial and ultimately They settled the case this past summer and the judge did not sentence the man to jail he just sitting back to Ohio. No jail time for raping this child. The Guy was represented by the speaker. By the way do you know that judge. I hear that judge now wants to run for the State House. No doubt to support the speaker He wants to run against Mark Gertler. I think I'm told up in north Georgia. The speaker hates Matt Gertler. Kismet Gerber is a conservative who always votes against the speaker. The I'm told that the judge who you didn't sentence the the the the rape pastor jail is now wants to run against him y'All this is a big big deal. It actually is a big deal it actually you actually do need to be engaged in the stuff in house. Republicans really do need to stand up and take responsibility in ownership of the issue now the speakers. I hired a guy to try to help them. Hold onto the house. He's hired a guy who got indicted in Alabama in a federal investigation over gambling corruption of the state legislature. You're crazy if you don't think the Democrats are going to capitalize on the stuff and so you need to be engaged. You need to be active in and I'm GonNa make make it easy for you but you got a text. The word Army three three seven seven seven for those of you. I actually am seeing an email. Come through from someone says I. My phone doesn't text I will. I will try to find ways to those of you. Who can't send a text to be able to subscribe but we're going to have some fights in the legislature? I I do want to move on from there though I mean I could spend all day talking about the legislature and when it when it starts to meet we will spend a lot of time there. We have other her news. We do need to talk about I WANNA replay you This audio it happened a short time ago. The The Treasury Secretary. Steve Mnuchin has announced that there will be sanctions. Placed on Iraq are on Iran. This happened about fifteen fifteen minutes ago. we need to start there because they're press conference continued. I've got the audio from it. being we're kind of bleeding edge here aren't we. Let's let's let's play some of the Announced by the president. We are announcing additional sanctions against the Iranian regime as a result of the attack on US US and allied troops i. The president is issuing an executive order authorizing the imposition of additional sanctions against any individual individual owning operating trading with or assisting sectors of the Iranian economy including construction manufacturing textiles textiles and mining. Let me be clear. These will be both primary and secondary sanctions. The Geo also allows us to designate other sectors actors in the future as Secretary Pompeo and me think is appropriate second. We are announcing seventeen specific civic sanctions against Iran's largest steel and iron manufacturers set three Seychelles base entities and a vessel involved in the transfer dance for products as result of these actions. We will cut off billions of dollars of support to the Iranian regime and we will continue our enforcement of other entities third. We are taking action against eight senior Iranian officials who advanced the regime's destabilizing activity and were involved in Tuesday's ballistic missile strike. Secretary Pompeo will comment more on this today. Sanctions or part of our commitment to stop Iranian regime's global terrorist activities. The president has been very clear. We will continue to apply apply economic sanctions until Iran stops. Its terrorist activities and commit that it will never have nuclear weapons on that that was Secretary Pompeo but there is more here. This is Mike Pompeo the secretary of state talking to Jonathan. Karl Mister Secretary. Do you believe that. The Iranians shot down Ukrainian International Airways plane and if the Iranians shot that a plane down will there be consequences We we do believe that. It's likely that that plane was shut down by an Iranian missile We're we're going to let the investigation. Instigation play out before we make a final determination. It's important that we get to the bottom of it I've been on the phone. I was on the phone with presidents INSKEEP. Just before I came here I was on the phone with my Canadian Canadian counterpart. They're working to get their resources on the ground to conduct that thorough investigation will learn more about what happened to that aircraft and when we get the results of that investigation I am confident we and the world will take appropriate actions in response. That was Mike pompeo speaking at the same. MM press conference There is a little more out there And this is Mike Pompeo's well on what is imminent your definition of imminent. This was going to happen and American lives were risks and we would have been culpably negligent as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Said we would've been culpably negligent. And we not recommended the present that he'd take this action cost him so the money me he made the right call in America's safer as a result of that you know it is interesting that there has been pushed back here on the issue of what is imminent Culpability and what is imminent and While the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff coming out Being very aggressive and pushing very hard on this particular issue saying that we would have been negligent. Let me play one more here from the Secretary Treasury again. This is the press conference at the White House or the White House briefing room. This happened in the last fifteen minutes. Try to bring you up to speed on these headlines. Take time to join us in this room. Back in September additional sanctions including on sports and Secretary Mnuchin at that point he said. I think we've done more. Thanks Iran. Anybody absolutely working since. Then we've seen an escalation in violence from Iran shooting down the drone attacking to see Contractor who was killed. US troops that was wounded. How are sanctions keeping United States economic sanctions keeping the United States? United States interest. More secure. I think we have a hundred percent confidence and we were consistent. Our view that economic sanctions are working. That if we didn't have these sanctions in place literally Iran would have tens of billions of dollars they would be using that for terrorist activities seventies throughout the region into enable them to do more about things and there's no question by cutting off the economics to the regime We we are having an impact and as the president has said The fact that the Obama Administration turned over one hundred fifty billion dollars to the regime. We think we wouldn't being the situation. Had that not been the case. Just add. It's important to keep in mind. What's taking place in Iran today? This this country's never been in the place that it is today big challenging problems budget. They'RE GONNA fail by tens of billions of dollars achieving their revenue for this year. They've got real challenges and figuring out how to make difficult decisions DEA UNDERWRITE HEZBOLLAH FDA pick Hamas the underwrite the Shia militias in Iraq or. Do you allow people all to have the opportunity to live the life they want and grow your economy. Those are the difficult choices that the regime is facing and you can see. The protests protests that we expect will continue that will demand from the Iranian regime that they begin to treat the Iranian people in the way that they so richly deserve this administration will continue to support those efforts as well. You know. He's right there This actually is a good strategic play by the administration What they're essentially doing is They're reversing the rest of the Iran deal will by imposing these sanctions on the Iranian steel industries. There are already sanctions on Iran and oil so now Iran offset set those sanctions by building up. Its steel industry. The Secretary of Treasury. This morning is announcing we're going to start imposing additional sanctions on the steel industry. But it's not just on the steel industry in Iran. We're actually going to sanction companies that have business with the companies that are dealing with Iran on. So we're doing direct sanctions and indirect sanctions because there are a number of companies around the world. Include a number of banks. I believe I one of the Big German German bit was a Deutsche Bank. I can't remember which one was found to be dealing with Iran under the table. And so we're GONNA go after companies like that and the ones who do business with those companies as well and that's actually pretty overarching air pretty expansive and the reason we're doing. This is exactly goes to what Mike Pompeo we saying. We know that Iran fiscally is in very hard time and and we we know that Iran is having to pay to maintain these militias. We know I know that the president has been working very hard to undermine Hezbollah in ways that the the Obama administration stopped doing because they didn't want to hurt Iran so the president economically his launched a multi pronged attack against the Iranians Iranian economic interest in Iranian allies. The Iranians are going to have to decide with a limited budget should any deficit and the inability on the open market now to get credit because of American sanctions. How're they going to survive are are they gonNA take care of their people or are they going to take care of their terrorist allies and the president's making it very hard for them It it does not matter whether you're a Democrat or Republican this this. This is an issue of our national security. And it's one where there's actually a lot of wisdom in what the American administration is doing multipronged targeted sanctions at the regime. Gene and the business in the businesses who do business with the regime And those who do business with the businesses who do business with the regime at that if you can follow that chain their direct and indirect sanctions Going after the steel industry all the area's economy that Obama decided not to touch this president. Nelson he is going to touch To begin to cripple and star of the Iranian regime now the Iranian regime. We know by HAB. It is going to cripple and starve. Its people they are but the people are beginning. There are lots of uprisings in Iran. You heard Chris Matthews. This morning I I played the audio earlier. Talking about getting Lemani was like gidding Elvis or getting Princess Diana Princess Diana Diner Elvis Stein hugely popular among the Iranian people. Actually there are a lot of people who do not like the guy but they're not allowed to dance in March in the streets. It is amazing to me how the American can media has been so willing to rush headlong into embracing Iranian propaganda. All because Orangemen bad. But that's what they've done and the president doesn't care the the honey badger of politics. I guess you could call him he. He doesn't care he's going to do it and He's done it in a very good way. He should be commended and he's clearly getting good advice. I but one more thing before I go to break your will one more thing to pay attention to what Mike Pompeo said when a reporter Kaitlan Collins from CNN asked him what his definition of him and it it was And he said what the Joint Chiefs of Staff said. They had enough intelligence to know that something was coming and it would cause mass casualties among American Eric Forces and we would have been culpably negligent to not stop it and killing Sulejmani stopped it. We don't know what it was. We don't know what the intelligence was. But you have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff who is not political saying this needed to happen. You have the director of the CIA. Who is not political saying this needed to happen you can cast aspersions on Pompeii over being a political hack? You can cast aspersions on the secretary treasurer for doing that. But you really WanNa do it to the director and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs Win for three years. You've been saying the president should listen to these people and he listened to him and he did what they wanted and now suddenly they're bad that's on you. That's actually not on the president. On his news and Conservative view members separated from the true Eric. Erickson show hello there. It is your Erickson here. The full number is eight. Seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five now. Listen I realize you can't actually call in because my call screener went hog hunting down south Georgia north. North Florida What a life? I can't even get a hold of. There's no cell service where is So one I got Voice Mail on the show if you if you WANNA call voicemail. I'm I'm happy to play it But two more importantly I just say the show is still relatively new and you gotta get used to call them this Nebraskan till you rush limbaugh Sr full number off the top of my ahead From when I filled in for him but You gotta you gotTa remember this now. Everyone who's listening to this program unless you're listening online. You're in Georgia every free radio station. We're on his in Georgia and this is not in Georgia and I gotta I still gotTa gotTa talk about this one. Because I am a native of Louisiana. I was born in Louisiana. I was raised in Dubai. I finished high school in Louisiana. I suffered through the Edwin Edwards Brazil David Duke Race and decided I needed to get out of that state and came to Georgia in nineteen ninety-three and went to Mercer University and making A state and making it went to the Walter of George School of Law of Mercy University which they refused to call it that because they're woke But the Walter of George School of law at Mercer Rush University is it. I went there practice law and making work for CNN. Worked for Fox did all out of my house and making I got a TV and radio studio in my house and still live would make. I'm broadcasting this program for making an and I will never move back to Louisiana. I'm sure but I do. Pay attention to Louisiana politics. Bobby Jindal was a good friend and it is. This is notable. If you're if you're a political junkie like I am. This is actually notable news. There has been a long in elected office office in Louisiana since nineteen eighteen There was a Huey Long. There was earl long. There was Russell Long. I think there have always been longs There's been Gillis Long. There's been speedy long. There's been Jimmy Long when when When Huey P. Long got elected in one thousand nine hundred eighteen the long became a dynasty in Louisiana politics in there has never not not been a member of the long family in elected office and Gerald Long From Naqash Louisiana has decided to retire from the state state legislature and he will be the last long to serve a hundred year dynasty of the long family. Coming to an end in Louisiana That's actually remove that one family in one state has served in politics that long and now it's all coming to an end all right. I'm I'm going to make it up to all of you At the top of the hour I'm going to send the pound cake recipe and the Gumbo. Oh recipe to see. You can have them all Gumbo and pound cake If you want a text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven by the top of their. Now if you text it later than that if you're listening to me on delay it's eleven thirty five. Am To be eleven thirty six am here. And making where. I'm broadcasting if you you hear me on delay you hear me on repeat somewhere anytime. It doesn't matter. If you text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven and Y- you sign up for the list what happens WTN's you'll get an email back or you'll get a text which email address it'll sign you up and you will get an email and it'll say never fear. Here's all the recipes. Eric sent out including the latest. Just one and and you'll get the pound cake and the Gumbo recipe whenever you hear it later. But I'm not sending this until I get off the radio at noon so you gotta stick around for a little bit but now I have things I've wanted to talk about that. I have had in my show notes all week to talk about and I haven't been able to talk about him because there's been so much breaking news and one of the things that I want to talk about is CNN has settled the Covington Catholic lawsuit in this by now. I mean we've moved onto Mexican Megan markle and Harry fleeing the fleeing the Great Britain. She's gone back to Canada and he's about to join her and and the you know why we're talking about that by the way of pointing at my camera. I'm shaking my finger at my camera for those you watch. Do you know why we're talking about this. We're talking what about it because Donald Trump had a really good week in the press can't talk about that so we gotta talk about the British Royal Family instead. That's exactly why we're talking about who cares. We fought a revolution in not into a harbour so we did not have to care about the royal family. I actually am a big fan of the royal family. I do pay attention to it but but probably not as much as the media would prefer me me to talk about it when everything's going well it just it's it's crazy in any of it so CNN settled this lawsuit. Do you know why they settled it. I've seen some. He was I. I was a lawyer. Let me explain the process. Typically what happens. Is You file a lawsuit. It's called a complaint. The other side has thirty days to respond to you with what's called an answer and then you can go and do something called. Discovery and discovery is where both sides you have requests for production of documents and you have interrogatory stories and you have depositions what CNN did is is the Covenant Catholic High School. Student Nick Saloman filed a lawsuit route against them and CNN filed its answer and filed a motion to dismiss. The case said that essentially Nick Sandman was a a public figure and because he was a father figure there was a higher standard and based on the pleadings he didn't meet the standards and on and on and on Why was an exam in a public figure who you never heard of until the medium meaty material career although media medium of public figure and if the media makes you a public figure and lies about you in the process of making a public figure? Well you got lawsuit. You can sue them so we did and CNN had heddle well. If I were called the the lower court threw the case out and Sandman appealed and the appellate court said no actually. Actually this is This is actually a lawsuit. That's legit because he wasn't a notable person he he wasn't a a person Of of note he wasn't a celebrity. The only reason people know who he is because the media slandered him so this lawsuit can go forward so CNN has settled the lawsuit now the reason CNN settled the lawsuit is the discovery process. They hadn't gotten to the discovery process yet now. What is the discovery process? Let me explain to you the way a discovery process worked so again I was a lawyer wasn't a great lawyer. I hated being a lawyer. Do you know why I hated being a lawyer. Just random aside. There's this thing when you're a lawyer. There's is this thing that you interact with on a daily basis called a client and clients tend to be people who have a sense of self righteousness. They've been aggrieved grieved in some way and by God. They need a solution. I love the clients who I I love business law if I could've just done transactional law and making I probably would have you need. Your Business started whatnot. I love love doing contracts. I was a transaction I loved it. The problem is Being in making you got a law school there are billion lawyers You gotta you gotTa kill what you eat and so you gotta do all sorts of stuff. You can't really specialize as much and I wasn't going to work in Atlanta. My wife didn't want to move to. The big city usually come into contact with lines at really legitimate problems. I had some amazing cases. I've got some amazing stories from from a case From from different cases but I I really I hated dealing with the people who came in and their solution with so obvious but they were so mad at the other side. They just couldn't come to a solution and and if I could just written wills and estates and and Llc Operating Agreements and whatnot. I'd still be lawyer in any of it so in in litigation you you you file your complaint thirty days you get an answer and then you go into a discovery period. You have interrogatory request for production of documents and depositions and now typically what happens is you have basic interrogatory. The courts require you to file. Essentially you know in a lawsuit. You'RE GONNA ask the same questions. Wins of each side to begin with so courts. Now by and large require you to file Once you get into discovery you file the basics of name every single. Oh person you know of who has any information that could shed light on this lawsuit. One then number two name all the documents you have in your possession name how to contact all the people you named all of those things those are the interrogatory and then you get the requests for production of documents the request for production documents. That's our name all the document or provide all the documents. You referenced in your interrogatory provide all the of provide your bank account information if it's relevant or provide your medical bills of its reference. A all of that sort of stuff. So you get the request for abduction documents. You get the interrogatory and then based on the derogatory and the request for production documents you do depositions additions and Houston request to depose the you. You oppose the person that you if they're going to depose Nick Salmon if it's exam and he's going to depose anyone who CNN listed in the interrogatory says having knowledge of the new story CNN did eight. He's going to get the requests production of documents. They sent email requests and direct message requests and slack channel. So you don't know what slack is. Slack is essentially a group messaging APP that corporations now use a lot of in newsrooms to communicate within an entire news pool so they sent notices to see it in preserve everything we're filing a lawsuit preserve everything so you're not allowed to delete your emails your cellphone records your voicemail records your slack. Channels your direct messages on twitter. Any of that they got to end the lawyers have to search top to bottom and they gotta provide it all to Nick Sandman. And so if you've got CNN reporters and producers assures in the background saying did you see what this less. Ob Trump humping supporter. Did this poor man. He's a victim. We need to blow this up and we need to destroy this kid and all this it he's got CNN's an ins lawyers found stuff like that when they were compiling all the documents to give the Nixon Mom's lawyer then they're like. Oh Gosh we've got to settle. Let me tell you In fact this is actually my very first case I talked about is saying bad things about classes. Actually he was a great guy. I had a client who was an illegal alien is actually my very first client of my own at my law firm. He came in the door. He was referred to Someone that personal overworked a law firm. I needed to build a client base. That gave me his name was Alexandra Alejandro he was from New Mexico and he was a hard working guy. His wife was an American citizen and he had essentially walked from Mexico to Georgia Georgia and he worked in fields. He was a brilliant mechanic. He was just he was good good guy but but he was an illegal alien and he and his wife saved up money they were renting basically a shack any saved up his money and they rented a a double were. They bought a double wide motorhome. They used his wife because she was an American citizen. They bought this mobile home double wide trailer and it had all new appliances appliances in it. They they bought it from a nationally known seller of trailers and it had a new refrigerator. It had a new oven. It had new washer and dryer new stove and they bought it and when they got the trailer delivered the cabinets had had cracks though the Washer and dryer. Weren't there the dishwasher. The refrigerator and the stove were all used They weren't the new ones that they were promised and and they had been promised all this stuff and he went they had they had saved up. I WANNA say Gosh. They had saved up fifty thousand dollars to get this thing and they knew they were getting a good deal on it but when they got the actual thing It was it was not not good. It wasn't what he was promised so they came to me to file a lawsuit in one of the things he said is he. Went back to this I'm I'm I'm I don't want to name this company but you would all know it. They went to this company and the manager of a local place laughed in his face. Ace told him there was nothing he could do about it that if he tried to do anything about it they knew he was illegal. They would have him deported because because he was nothing more than an ethene racial slur against Hispanic people and I didn't believe him it sounded. I mean who would do that. Who in their right mind would do that? Who would tell someone who showed up th they've they've been been screwed out of what they were promised? And you laugh in their face. Say if you complain. I'm GonNa get you deported because you are nothing more than than an effing racial racial slur but you know what he was my client and I was obligated to help him. And I I mean I was. I was really good at writing. Angry letters my wife could tell what I had a good day because I would ride angry letters and man. I wrote an angry letter and I said this in it to him and I said you preserve all the documents that you've got on this. You preserve the bill sale Mike Line Alexandra Suharto and his wife they they bought this and and this is what they were promised and this is what they got and it's not what they were promised and they got the pictures of what they were promising. They got the pictures of of what was delivered and by the way the manager did this and he said this he was going to deport my client and he was gone and he called him a racial slur and put the f-bomb in front of well off the letter. And I thought man I'm GonNa get litigation allegation this guy actually using Lali and he's not going to have the money he sunk it all into a trailer. He's not gonna be able to pay me. I don't want a double wide trailer as payment. What am I going to do? I should off that letter. It was not fifteen days later that the lawyer for the Mobile Home Company called me and said we would like to settle the case and I said you would. And she says she's a very nice lady and she says yes we would. She's we would like to settle the case. Does your client want his money back or does he wanNA new trailer he can keep the trailer. He's got angered his money back. Doc and I suggest that's the best deal and I was like do what you're going to let him keep the trailer. He paid fifty thousand dollars for. And you're going to give him back the fifty thousand dollars so essentially gets a free trailer and he can go buy everything he wants to fix up the trailer she says yes. And I said okay I will confer with my client But let's presume it's going to be. He wants to keep it and get the fifty thousand back and she says she assumed that would be what he wanted. And then I said Ma'am can I ask you a question and she says yes as it in this is attorney to attorney said. This is my very first case. I only passed the bar exam three months ago. And she she falls Falls out laughing and I said key king. Why are you settling like this? Because I just assumed that that this is this was all made up and she says well just attorney to attorney yes journey to attorney she says I got your letter and I didn't believe it and I assumed we would fight it out and I called the manager of the of our local dealer and asked him if he knew anything about it and the first words to his mouth or oh yeah I remember that effing blankety blank. She said I immediately knew you were telling the truth. So so. That's what happens in the discovery process. Will you start digging into stuff. You start uncovering stuff so so sandman. CNN's like we're going to now we don't know what CNN settling for. We I have no idea what the amount is but CNN is settling with Sandman because the court has decided that the case can go forward and saying the case can go forward. They have to get into the discovery process. And I guarantee you. CNN got into the discovery process and found the email chains of a bunch of little progressive producers at CNN. Say let's destroy this kid. Let's making famous in ruin his life. I guarantee you. That's what they found now. I realize it is all speculation accusation on my part but you lose that cases. We don't want to get into the discovery process because they preserve all the documents and the lawyers have already seen what those documents are. They did not want that case getting into discovery. They did not want to send information to Nick Sam lawyer and have them send it out to conservative media and start lighting. CNN on fire because because CNN has gone down the road of being an Obama surrogacy. You've got Valerie Jarrett's daughter is a morning anchor. You've got Jim SCUITTO. who was a national security the State Department guy in the he's an anchor? You've got James Clapper. WHO's now? They're national security analyst. He was an Obama Guy. He got all these Obama Obama people who now work at CNN. It is very clear. The Jeff Zucker has decided to become MSNBC light instead of being the objective news organization station that I worked for a dearly love and they do not want to get into discovery process with Nick Sabin so they have settled the case. You never know what it's GonNa come in discover cover you know. I had another case where had a lady who she was. An African American lady Her boyfriend was white. She got pregnant and she sued so this is a major fortune. Five hundred company in the United States of America and she came to me and and my boss shoes. Actually my bosses client and She was suing because she went back from maternity leave as she had been pregnant. Her boyfriend actually left her so she was a single mom and she accused the company of Sane that she had a zebra child because she was black and her her boyfriend was white and they had a child old and we filed a lawsuit. And do you know we actually found a company newsletter where they welcomed her back to work in congratulated her on her cheaper child. Don't tell me. Racism doesn't exist in the south because that really happened that would have been two thousand one two thousand and two both of these. These cases were early two thousands both of these cases and that was the discovery process was the discovery process access and the news media. That is losing these cases salmon. They don't want to go through that because who enlists. Let's acknowledge this fortune. Five hundred company sued a good company. You would know it you do business with it on a regular basis. They were good people but there was one idiot in that company that was the third in the punchbowl for that company in in they had to pay a whole lot of money to my client because he had done that to her. That racist had done that to my client and same with the Mobile Home Company. They were out of fifty thousand dollars a trailer because a one racist in the company It can be three little idiot progressive producers at CNN who on on a slack channel or an email chain or direct message even or text messaging blew up Nick Salmon and disparaged him and that helped shapes heathens coverage in the lawyers new and they knew once they got into discovery process. They had to settle and so they did and they were smart to do it. And I realized the story is now a week old but I've been waiting gene for a week to get the story and finally get the Friday and stuff to settle down and I can talk to you about it. And what's so interesting here. Let me go head to commercial on this point. CNN demands transparency from everyone else but doesn't want to be transparent on what they settled politics. News Religion Erik Erikson talks about all the things. You're not supposed to talk about every weekday and some cooking to do y'all know if you're watching on the livestream I've actually figured out why my livestream has been so screwed up this week. It is a particular news website if I have this particular news website. It's it's the Atlanta Journal Constitution here in Georgia Georgia. If I have this particular news website opened it consumes so many resources on my computer and starts to take up so much bandwith that it crashes my livestream and I didn't realize is I had behind a bunch of windows. I have opened. There was an AJC website open and that caused the whole livestream to go. Oh Keb Louis so my apologies to everybody on the livestream where it finally tanked out on us. I thought I had managed to close all the windows but clearly I had not now the other other story and it's going to take a while to adjust so you may still have a messy livestream here. The other story that I wanted to talk about I was GonNa talk about this yesterday. Came out yesterday We can have a laugh at the end of the show before we all had often for lunch. And by the way I just sent out the pound cake and Gumbo recipe just now you can still get text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven if you want it. Texts Army two three three seven seven seven if you want to be a political activist this year as the Georgia legislature convenes. I'll keep you posted on stuff but So the Obama Administration back after two thousand nine decided to put signs up at Glacier National Park in Montana and the sign said Ed these glaciers will be gone by twenty twenty because of climate change now had donald trump. Done something like that to suggest that we needed his agenda passed in Congress. They would have accused him of hijacking the national parks for political purposes. But they never did that to Barack Obama because the media agreed read with his climate change arguments so put up signs saying we gotta do something real on climate change or else. These glaciers are going to be gone. Barack Obama's so was no big deal to the media. The media was perfectly happy perfectly. Happy for him to do that. Well It's twenty twenty and the glaciers are not gone one so they have decided to take sides. They're actually going to re edit the signs so that they're still going to do something and let people know. We got to raise awareness on climate change because the glaciers are melting. But I actually had a caller call me yesterday on my evening show when I talked about the story finally and he said you know they've got all sorts of documents you go to Glacier National Park in you lose museum there. I've never been this older guy. Says he's been up there and they document document how the glaciers have been receding there since the seventeen hundreds after the lice age. They've all been receding and they've just kept repeating so it turns out not ought to be something new and yet the media makes it a big deal but yet that's right. Barack Obama made him put up signs. That said these glaciers going we don't enact meaningful climate change solutions. They'RE GONNA be gone by two thousand twenty. We'll guess what it's twenty twenty and they ain't gone so the signs have to come down but you know the world is going to end in ten years because they say so.