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The Readout Loud
"katie palmer" Discussed on The Readout Loud
"I guess if in fact, the thing that is keeping it from happening and may keep it from happening ever is the two companies agreeing on a price that works for them, that's arguably bad for sentiment because it would suggest that the cash rich pharma companies just don't see eye to eye with the BioTech companies on just how much they're worth. So if you walk away from this week's podcast with nothing else, it should be that, you know, a $2 billion government program is kind of like a meh number, but $40 billion is a good number. Now we're talking. Well, I want to turn our attention as it seems like everybody's already turning their attention to what is in pre-pandemic times, usually a great place to talk about M and a, JPMorgan, 2023 atom, you have been scheming and scheduling about our JPMorgan plans. Scheming, yeah, I'm scheming. I don't know if I'm scheming. Yeah, maybe I'm just trying to get organized. But yeah, you're right, Allison, we, it is the middle of September, and so yeah, it's kinda time to start thinking about the big JPMorgan healthcare conference and I guess the sort of foundational question or that we're trying to figure out is like, are we going? And who is going and what kind of attendance we might see in San Francisco this year? Obviously, because of the because of the pandemic, we have not had an in person JPMorgan week for a long time, you know, there was sort of what's going to be one last year and then it was as Damien and I reported back in December, that's when we had the latest COVID outbreak and it was abruptly canceled and it went virtual. This year, I'm pretty much 99% sure that there's going to be an in person. Event in San Francisco. So now it's kind of like, who's going to be there, or how many people are going to be there, where are we going to stay? And you're going. You're going with me. This year. This is your and correct me if I'm wrong, but this might be your first JPMorgan healthcare conference. This is my be my first in person. JPMorgan. Wow. I know. A real milestone. Now, I'm wondering, did I miss out on the experience of the ever crowded JPMorgan where it was so packed that you were having meetings in Macy's? Is that experience over for me? Yeah, that's where I'm a little, I'm a little worried, not worried, but maybe you kind of maybe miss the peak of the JPMorgan experience. What do you think, Damien, is she seeing sort of like the equivalent of going to see The Rolling Stones in 2022? Is that kind of what Dallas is going to experience? I wonder, yeah, if JPMorgan is going to go the way of college newspapers and Coachella annual things where everybody hearkens back to the glory days that just happened to be when you personally were a little bit younger, but in reality, like most things, it just kind of gets worse every year. I don't know. I am curious as to see how this one plays out because I think there is, I mean, I know there is from talking to people, a pent up desire for a gathering of this sort of movement in the past when complaining about all the things that are unpleasant about JPMorgan that if you were to destroy it, you would just need to create a JPMorgan like thing in its place because it's the start of the year. It's a chatty gossipy industry, and there is this urge to convene. And I think it being on functional in person hiatus for two years means that that urge has only grown. And so yeah, I wonder just how crowded there's always will be just how expensive those chairs in various Union Square lobbies will be, it'll be interesting. Yeah, a cursory look at hotel prices for the week of JPM reveals many, many $1000 a night hotels out there. So inflation is real. All right, so then text me your favorite corner of a do they have tates out in San Francisco, you know, your blue bottle cafe, your blue bottle coffee, which where's your best hidden gem spot? You know, adjacent to the meeting location. Ask your doctor if this treatment is right for you. It's the familiar ending to thousands of TV drug ads, and at least in theory, it's the disclaimer that keeps direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising from crossing ethical boundaries. But what if you could ask not your doctor, but rather a doctor, one who happens to be available right now for a telehealth consultation. An increasing number of drug companies have embraced the powerful tool of online prescribing, which to the telehealth companies that enable it, promises to streamline the process by which patients get diagnosed and treated. But to health policy experts, it's an innovation that could lead to poor care, inflated costs, and an erosion of regulatory standards. Our colleague Katie Palmer wrote a story this week in stat on that very phenomenon. And she joins us now to talk about it. Katie, welcome back to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me. So Katie, where did this approach to advertising and prescribing come from? And why is it gaining steam? You know, it really seems to have come out of the general shift toward direct to consumer and prescribing that we've been seeing steam on the Internet. A lot of the early online pharmacies focused on these so called lifestyle drugs, hair loss, erectile dysfunction, weight loss, usually drugs that had some stigma attached. So when pharma decided to deploy the same model next to its direct to consumer marketing, those kind of drugs were still the low hanging fruit, the ones patients were most likely to seek online. But in the last few years, patients have gotten a lot more comfortable with the idea of getting a whole range of prescriptions online from a doctor. They don't have a preexisting relationship with. And obviously that adoption was accelerated by the pandemic, even more pharma started to need new ways to reach
The Readout Loud
"katie palmer" Discussed on The Readout Loud
"Familiar. You know, and it may have changed names, but then you're like, oh yeah, I remember that from like ten years ago. On paper, it sounds pretty reasonable. If a medical device promises to dramatically improve people's lives, it should get special FDA treatment to speed up the process of getting to patients. But in practice, it's quite a bit more complicated. Stat reporters Katie Palmer and Mario Aguilar spent months digging into the FDA's breakthrough devices program and found that while that program has delivered lucrative benefits to companies making devices, its value to actual patients remains debatable at best. Mario joins us now to talk about the story. Mario, welcome back to the podcast. Hello, I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. So let's start with this concept of a breakthrough device. How does the FDA decide which technologies deserve special treatment and what does that special treatment entail? Sure. Well, companies apply to the program for their devices. And so they have to check a series of criteria. First, that device has to have the potential to provide more effective treatment or diagnosis for a deadly or irreversibly debilitating condition. That's like the table stakes. That's the whole point. This is supposed to be better than what's out there. But then there's sort of this group of four other criteria that it has to be, it has to sort of check one of four boxes. It has to be especially innovative. There have to be no alternatives. It has to provide a big advantage over existing treatments, or it has to be sort of its existence has to be in this broad sense in the best interest of patients who have to have as an option. And so it has to check one of those boxes. Now, companies apply, it's free to apply, and they have to present some preliminary evidence that their product is going to be more effective. Usually this is an early study with a few patients showing some outcomes. But we've also saw examples of companies applying with bench data or with literature reviews, just hinting that there was a problem and this is how they were going to solve it. So in terms of the benefits, it allows companies to have more expedited conversations with FDA in certain contexts. And also to collaborate with the agency on coming up with clinical trial plans, and then this is sort of the benefit that you don't hear about as much, but which we looked into a little more, which is when they submit for authorization for a lot of devices, it allows them to be authorized with what I would characterize as softer data, right? They shift some of that data collection to when the device is already on the market. The idea being that for some of these devices, people don't really have other options and there's a benefit to making them available as quickly as possible. So you and Katie dug up some 450 devices that had received this designation. What did you learn? And were they all really, quote unquote, breakthroughs? Yeah, so we found 450. I should note that there are 650, so there's 200 secret designations out there in the void and we can talk about why that is later, maybe, but we found 450 and we found all cards of stuff. Cardiac implants for people with heart failure, brain interfaces, meant to aid people with paralysis, AI diagnostics for cancer. As well as some things that you might not traditionally think of as being breakthroughs like therapy apps, but the target really different conditions like postpartum depression, opiate use disorder, and so on. As to whether their breakthrough is, I think one of the critical findings of the story is that we never really find out, right? The FDA is job. On the front end, they say, maybe this is more effective, but then they never actually make the determination at the end about whether something is more effective. Their job is to determine whether or not something is safe and effective enough to go on the market, right? And so something can receive marketing enough authorization and continue to claim to be a breakthrough forever without really ever proving that, right? It just has to prove that it works. So Mario, as you point out in your story, you know, the whole program was little known and sparingly used in the early days, but that changed in 2019 when the Trump administration proposed a rule that would guarantee Medicare coverage for these quote unquote breakthrough devices. So can you tell us what happened after that? And also why do policy experts say that that's a really bad idea? Interesting the program exploded, right? It turned in from a regulatory nice to have. It's nice to have these facilitated conversations with FDA into something that was going to guarantee that you were going to make money once you got your product authorized by the FDA. And so companies started applying in droves, it shot up from 250 before Trump started hinting at this rule to 400 devices admitted applying to the program to over 500 the next year. So it became a business imperative. And the problem here is basically because FDA never has to never make the determination about whether something is more effective, you bypass the CMS review that determines whether or not the government ought to pay for this technology, which if it's not better than what's already out there on the market, why would we pay for it? In some cases, it could be far more expensive and only marginally better if it's better at all. And so that's a better arrangement. This past November, it was repealed, but the idea has not entirely gone away, right? There's a version of this language that's wrapped up into the cures two legislation which has been proposed and there are some remaining Medicare perks that exist for certain breakthrough designated devices. So certain devices that have been authorized, some of them with sort of this softer evidence as I characterized it before. Are being paid for at very high rates by Medicare because they have this breakthrough designation. Again, without ever proving that they are more effective..
Reset
"katie palmer" Discussed on Reset
"Doctor online. I did and so did millions of americans for some people it was a convenient option and for others it gave them potentially life-saving care out of state. But what happens now. That states are ending those lockdown era provision katie palmer health tech correspondent at sat. News is here to explain. Hey katie welcome to recode daily. Thanks for having me on. So telehealth or online doctors visits became really popular during the pandemic especially for those who moved at some point during lockdown. Can you explain a little bit. What was going on. Yeah i mean. I think we saw in the beginning of the pandemic what has been really a consistent increase in the use of telehealth exploded in april which is unsurprising when the most stringent lockdowns were in effect. And it's sort of tapered off pretty quickly. But the overall increase has leveled out for the most part claims data showing the telehealth. Use is at a level thirty eight times higher about where it was pre pandemic according to a recent report. So it's really a dramatic change. In the way that americans are accessing care other than obviously. You can't go to anything in person. Are there other reasons why this became super popular. Physicians are a licensed in specific states. Their license to treat patients who are physically in those states at the time of care. So i as a person who lives in massachusetts can go see a doctor who has a license that new york state say. I need specialists care. I can go there physically during the pandemic during lockdown. I couldn't go to new york to see that doctor in person and if they were only licensed in new york i couldn't receive care from them because they weren't licensed in massachusetts where i was physically located at the time. So what states figured out is they needed to get rid of some of those licensure requirements in order for patients to continue to access the care with their existing providers and for some cases for patients who were trying to access new providers with physicians..
Reverie True Crime
"katie palmer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"After all of these statements lies and contradictions wanted law enforcement only treat this incident as a suicide and nothing more now that we are caught up with some of the important statements that were made in part one. I want to remind you that there is something you can do to help. These are the people that you can contact to ask. Amanda pierce his case to be reopened and investigated. Also want to say that the katie palmer ks. That i covered about a month. Ago is from the same county as this case so you can also ask for that case to be reopened and reinvestigated as well. The first person that i think would be very important to contact is grayson. County district attorney. Brett smith nano three eight one three four. Three six one. You can also contact taxes. State general ken paxton five one two four six three two one zero zero four eight zero zero nine eight three nine nine three three or five one two nine three six one. Two zero zero texas house representative reggie smith five one two four six three zero two nine seven honorable pat fallon non zero three eight zero five one seven zero and grayson county police departments non zero three eight one three four two zero zero. I'll also have these numbers and emails as well in the show notes. So you can help at the pressure on the da and grayson county texas to get amanda pierces case reopened and reinvestigated. You can also ask them to do the same for katie palmer. At the very end of part one. We heard brian's rambling statement to the police. Now we're back at the scene and have so much more to unpack so. Let's get into it. The ambulance rushed to the scene and took amanda off to the hospital. She was impulse lewis electrical activity which means her heart had electricity but it was not beating. She was revived on the way to the hospital. When she arrived they immediately drew her blood for blood work and when the blood work came in indicated that her blood alcohol level was three eight. Four people do speculate that amanda may have drank. Maybe doing so with brian so she can just pass out and snooze until the morning and not has to deal with him if he perhaps did murder her. She may have been unconscious when he strangled her. If she were unconscious that would make her powerless unable to fight for her light. This is just a possible theory by the ones that are closest to amanda that. Know her best but this is wants to take into consideration. Kimberly was made aware of her sister being in the hospital. At first she thought maybe her sister could attempt suicide since she did deal with depression and she also drank a lot. She could wrap her mind around the fact that being in such a dangerous toxic environment an relationship could cause stress and maybe there was a chance for mental. Health may have taken a nosedive. She was entirely accepting of that in the beginning at this time there were a slew of things that camberley did not know but she would find out later plus when she got a good look at amanda body she would begin placing all of the pieces of this puzzle. Together it appeared that something more sinister transpired all the conversations she and amanda had about her leaving the death risk that brian made his violent tendencies. The control that he thrived from and how amanda was intending to lead plus the fact that she had a plan that was in motion an arrangement with her friend so shuki get out of the absolute hell that she was enduring. She even had two bags packed and one was already by the front door. There was no suicide note or message. There were no signs that would make anyone assume she was not in the right state of mind. All the pieces. That camberley did not having this moment would come together for her very soon. When kimberly was notified that amanda was in the hospital. She met with the detective conference room where she explained the domestic violence. That was happening to amanda. For one and a half to two years. Amanda was experiencing so much abuse including physical torture mental financial and emotional. It was a living nightmare and she warned out. She wanted to live and be with her two children yes. Kimberly had concerns in the past about her sister's mental wellbeing. Now all kimberly could wonder is. Why didn't amanda. Call me back when kimberly got to amandas room in the hospital. Grinding and three other males were at her sister's bedside she had no idea who these other three men were. She told him to leave. The intensive care unit staff said. Brian claimed the bruise on amandus chest. Which was seen by the neighbors earlier that was from him performing cpr. He even told staff that amanda did not have any family later historian would change when he talked to amandus friend amber to justify the bruise on her chest. Brian said that amanda had fallen off a ladder. Trying to change a lightbulb. However we know that. Amanda toll mrs thompson before she died about the blunt force hits to the chance she said came from brian. At the time. Amanda was an osce you on a ventilator and she was wearing a net collar which was hospital protocol or patients who attempted to hang themselves. Kimberly could not see. The extent of amend is injuries right away but when she could finally.
Reverie True Crime
"katie palmer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"Failed to acknowledge the severity of katie's injuries on the same. These failures contributed to corey foster walking free and not facing criminal charges. If mike adams was fired for pointing out tariffs failures is tariff alkatiri going to be fired for completely failing on the scene. Mike adams was fired and tariff alkatiri was promoted the vision statement of the texas. Gps to quote seek continuous improvement in our operations relationships. And the safety insecurity of all texans. Dps leadership show us this vision by holding tariff alkatiri accountable january ninth twenty twenty one katie's mom rhonda posted in the group. Why is tariff alka hip still employed at gps. This man was willfully negligent on katie and john palmer's murder and assault. He wrote up that it was both foggy and sunny and that his buddy corey was not intoxicated. He didn't mark the scene. did not talk to witnesses. Lead corey every answer that he gave and knew full well. That corey foster is a long-term alcoholic who blue point zero six one hour. After he hit them. I will not stop till this. Man is held accountable for the collusion cover up and gross negligence of his job that day. He turned his body cams off talked to corey in. The car assured corrie's mother that everything was fine and then drove corey foster home instead of getting a blood test tariff alcohol. This is not going away. There will be accountability for yours fosters and brett smith's actions we will not stop when katie passed away. John learned his wife was an organ donor. He was still in his bed in icu. When he realized he had a decision to me and fast john had no idea that since the pandemic organ donation has become a little more complicated. There's the usual screen for cancer. Hiv and other diseases but now donors had to test negative for covid making sure. The transplants could be done carefully and safely with the help of the southwest transplant. John was able to honor his late. Wife's wishes right. After john talked to katie's parents and they confirm that it was okay. Saf of the southwest transplant alliance were able to retrieve katie's oregon's over the course of two days with systems in place and a hospital that can handle transplants. Katie's heart liver longs and kidneys were saved for donation. John said quote. If there's anything positive that comes from this at all is that someone gets they needed. I'm one hundred percent. Fine with that in quote sourcing from dallas news. Dot com padding. Now's president and ceo of southwest transplant. Alliance said that transplant centers. Were not sure if they can accept in oregon as the pandemic spread while there's still much is unknown about covid nineteen and has been found in blood according to the centers for disease control and prevention and hospitals that were storing up gear to treat patients infected with the corona virus. Were initially reluctant to take on transplant. Patients as fears about cova nineteen grew now said that hospitals were saying. We don't want you here. They were saying. Please don't come but recovering katie's oregon's changed everything patty. Now's said that it was a game changer. Because they provided safe organs they were able to continue their mission. Even after southwest transplant alliance had the capability to test potential donors. The organization had to deal with another issue. The transplant procedure was not completely safe and hospitals with covid nineteen patients. The nonprofit required a fully functional hospital with no one infected by covid nineteen southwest transplant. Alliance found a match with first baptist. Medical center in northeast dallas. John's said that he has found some comfort. and pace. and the lifesaving difference that katie's decision made katie was cremated and social distancing has made things difficult. The family wants to hold a memorial at austin college. But only when it's safe to do it. Senior year at boston college may have had some memorable moments for john and katie but the best memory of all. That's where the two i met. So how are john brandon and bella taking everything. John said that he and the kids were going to have to get through it and that he knows they will something. A close family. Member told john after the organ donation made him feel a lot better. They said that are worst day. Was someone else's best day. John could not think of a more fitting way for katie to live on them for her to give one last time. Destined boards 'field went to lake talons. Ha with john john graduated in nineteen ninety eight and dustin graduated in ninety nine. The even played on the wildcat football team together. Back in october of twenty twenty dustin now a firefighter with the great bonfire department was hanging christmas lights for others. As assad job and through facebook he had been keeping up with john and katie story. He told john that he would hang lights for the family. He hadn't seen john and about twenty years. Destin said he thought that maybe he could hang christmas lights for john and his kids and do something for them to brighten their spirits for the holidays after everything they had gone through that last six months after dustin hung the lights for the palmer family he came up with the idea of the katie palmer. Project dustin said quote. Not only did. I want to do it for john. His family but maybe we could come up with a nomination house and call it the katie house and try to brighten someone else's spirits during their hard time if they've had a hard year or been through a hardship. Dustin asked other firefighters with the other departments all over texas if they will participate in the project as well they practically told him to say no more that they were in six. Firefighter contractors got involved in the project. Destin and john at this time. We're searching for nominations for anyone that could use some christmas. Cheer or christmas spirit. John said to dustin quote. There's times when you try to look for the beautiful in the world and you did it. You're doing a great thing for the season of giving. John said that there was no better way to honor katie. John said that katie gave while she was living that she was a teacher. She was a volunteer. She worked with kids. She was a coach when she passed away. She gave again by donating her organs..
Reverie True Crime
"katie palmer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
"A legal to carry a firearm. Even if you are licensed corey blue and oh six an hour after he killed someone by crossing over to the wrong side of the road. He never had his blood tested and he's joking about his guns to the police. Corey never even asked once how john or katie were doing in the almost one hour of terrorists. Bodycam footage corey. Call john awake after the incident and john did not pick up the phone. It was nighttime. And corey left along voice message completely wasted and rambling on about how this has affected his life. The investigators in the case concluded that corey's drive that morning that killed an innocent woman and injured. Her husband was due to the sun in his eyes. And the condensation on the windshield. The fog and the glare of the sun. The police report written by officer tariff. Alka jacob says quote. I began to investigate the crash scene. I observe the pickup had driven on the wrong side of glen would drive and had struck katie palmer and john palmer. The pickup was traveling eastbound on glenwood. Drive when the two were struggling the weather was foggy and the pickup truck was traveling east into the rising sun when the crash occurred the driver. Corey foster had the odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from his breath when he was speaking to me foster admitted to drinking the night prior to the crash and said that he had nothing the day of performed field sobriety tests on foster which confirmed that he was not intoxicated. It is in this. Investigators opinion that may or may not have contributed to the crash with the leading factors being impaired visibility and driving on the wrong side of the road in quote. I'll get more into his sobriety test. A little lighter. I want to discuss his breathalyzer result. John went before a jury and grayson county. He was there for more than three hours trying to get justice for his wife however the jury that consisted of ten people which was supposed to be twelve was sick and the other new corey but there were no alternate jurors. This jury came to the decision. That corey foster was innocent of manslaughter. Assistant district attorney cary ashmore released the statement following the grand juries decision quote. The grand jury was provided all of the information. We had during three hours of testimony including testimony from the expert. We hired and deliberated for an hour. They obviously worked hard on this case and struggled with the decision of whether the facts rose to the level of criminal negligence that is an enormous responsibility. This is a tragic horrible incident. I cannot imagine the pain. John and his family have endured our hearts go out to them unquote. I don't think anyone can imagine losing a loved one so quickly by someone so reckless. Unless you have been in that situation you will never know. I don't believe there are enough apologies in the world that can mend john or the family's hearts no. I don't think you could imagine it. Corey fall stirs should have never been behind the wheel that morning. Katie should not have lost her life that morning children's should not have lost their mother. A husband shouldn't have lost his wife. Kids should not have lost. Their teacher and family should not have lost their loved. One katie palmer should be here. John steele waited for katie weeks. After she lost her life he waited quote. I was still injured. A hurdled up and down our driveway. I was waiting for her to walk back. I was waiting for her to look over. I was waiting for her to come over the hill. I was waiting to see her waiting for her to come back. She never came back. The only time she came back to our house was in a box in quote.
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"katie palmer" Discussed on Reverie True Crime
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True Consequences
"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"Reasoning behind. Not getting a blood test was that the officer stated that Well it's eight o'clock in the morning. No one drinks in the morning. This bill if passed into law will require that any motorist that hits a pedestrian in either causes serious bodily injury or death that motorists will be required to get a blood test in screen for drugs and alcohol. And i really feel for shell carney. That's that's called mom who has been campaigning for this and gut got support of Representative mesa. she's pushing hard for this. So for those of you in texas house bill. Twelve eighty seven is important. This bill needs to become a law. If you know who your representative is. Call them if you don't know find out who it is. I just want everybody to remember that this could have been your wife your mother your daughter your sister your cousin or your friend Your kids would be your kids. Could be without their mom. You could be without your spouse. What happened on april twenty. First twenty twenty was tragic but it was no accident. Choices were made lives. Were forever changed in this case one beautiful soul was taken from us never will return. Please keep staying with us. All we want is justice. That's all we want. If you can please help please. If you are in texas call your representative in support of this bill joined the justice for katie palmer facebook page. There's also a twitter page instagram page. That you can join and follow his. Well i'm going to wrap this up by playing those last two clips before i do. Is there anything else that you wanna say john. Eric i just want to thank you again for those of us. That don't have have a platform for you to allow us to come on your. Your podcast means a lot. It helps us in our fight for justice. I just want everybody to remember. You could be me. You could be fighting ten months later for justice you could be fighting an uphill battle like me and my family are fighting here in grayson county texas. There has to be accountability. There has to be accountability for corey. Foster for dps an for the grayson. County district attorney's office to be transparent. We're not asking for much or asking for justice. Please stand with us. Thank you very much eric. Thank you john. Thank you everybody for for joining my my heart goes out to the palmer family and to katie's family as well and whatever i can do you are always welcome back on this show to to give us an update to ask for any additional support. You need if there's anything eating meat a share on my social media platforms. Let me know i. I'm here for you on here behind you supporting you. I know better than most what. It's like to not have justice for a family member. It is the worst feeling. It's it's almost. It's i don't wanna say it's worse than losing that person but it does make it a lot harder to grieve and so thank you for for being so honest and so up front and willing to to share katie story with us. Thank you to everybody for listening. Thank you friend absolutely. We're going to play those last few clips But just stay safe out there everybody and call your representative get involved in and see what you can do to help support this. 'cause he's at we were on a face in traffic walking east and he come up from behind them so he was on the wrong side of the road and hit on his left hand lot and stuff with him as an f to fifty and he said he thought he hit a telephone always. I didn't even know what i hear. Because he said my windshield was real a misty and stuff fogged up. And he's driving towards the sun so and it crapping crapping crab. I mean i can smell them. Smell it off. When i walked up have a geico said eighty miles still from last month. And we've got. I mean he flat out says he goes. I can't i couldn't see which When i leave my house i drop directly to the east and it was prior to this crash happened. Or after and yeah. I couldn't see. I couldn't see the road because i couldn't get the fog off my windshield. And then the sun driving into the sun you know. I mean i get it. He was blind. But i mean he's on the wrong side of the road to. I can't believe he was still today. He said he's not man. I quit drinking like eight o'clock last night. Which i'm not really buying that to be that you know at this time of day but oh yeah oh yeah. Thanks for listening to true consequences. Follow me on facebook and instagram at true consequences pod and on twitter at true cons pod consequences is listener supported. If you'd like to support this one man show. please go to patriotdepot dot com slash true consequences. Thanks for listening and stay safe new mexico..
True Consequences
"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"The show of from family and friends. That day was was was amazing. It was a true testament to what outstanding person katie palmer was threat the entire day that we had seventy five hundred people throughout the day from eight thirty in the morning to three thirty pm showing their support for katie. I believe i went up there at about noon. Cashmore winning their curiosity more presented to the grand jury. I was told. After prior to the juries decision carry ashmore sat next to me for about ten fifteen minutes and told me what he had said to him they had presented criminally negligent homicide and manslaughter. Charges carry told me he went into some appellate cases where these counts were overturned believe is what he told me which at the time. Stunned me that to me. Seems like what a defense attorney would do. If given the chance to speak in front of a grand jury. He would tell me that he s the consultant who recruited the scene by the way. Dps did not recreate the accident. They're experts at this. They did not recreate the accident at all. That is mind blowing to me so you didn't mark the scene and you didn't Recreate the accident. the county got an expert in to recreate the same. They had to recreate the scene. This is another failure on the part. They had to recreate the scene with pictures. My wife's aunt took the day after because believe the only pictures that the got pictures of the truck so again another complete failure. He told me that he had the consultant. Talk to The grand jury about a theory about drift in. What drift is when you aren't paying attention to the road or maybe look down at your phone Believe there's a certain Amena degrees that you will drift over and at the rate of speed. They said he was going. Which was i believe. Round forty miles per hour think they said thirty four to forty four miles per hour. So we'll call it. Forty miles per hour said that would taken him two seconds to drift over from where he might have been to win. He hit hit us. Which again is very confusing. The me everything. I've read everything i've been told. Corey foster being distracted by something. He was looking at outside his vehicle or his cell phone. That was never brought up. So we're already introducing which is what i believe that Curiosity tree went in there and testified after carry. Ashmore was finished to re came out. Looked me in. The eyes told me he thought that went just finding their. He expected expected to seeming in for core as he was shaking my hand i held on a his and i looked him in the is nascar him if he did everything that he possibly could and he looked me in the eyes and said that he did after tariq was done The consultant win that the consultant that recreated the scene. He was in there four same time. Thirty forty five minutes and then he left. I had actually gone in prior to to reef. I spoke to the grand jury. I gave my testimony. I answered my my questions. It ends you know again. Sat and watched to reef in watched the consultants leave and then carry ash beck in their came out and i believe the jury deliberated for thirty five minutes eric. It's a role hollow in helpless feeling Not knowing what's being discussed behind closed Knowing that justice for your wife justice for your family and just justice is waiting graders fouled out more. Came up to maine My brother-in-law logan was sitting next to me on the bench and came up to me shaking his head and said they no build it To was sorry. He sat next to me said that he felt like he let let me down which he did a hugged. My brother-in-law katie's brother didn't have any any words. We walk downstairs to the people that were out there We told them that. the gradu- decide to nobil the case and six months later six months later after that grand jury hearing eric were were still fighting it. I was told by carey that Only eleven jurors showed up. Your a jury consists of twelve eleven jurors showed up one juror recused himself which left us with ten in texas. You have to get nine votes for true bill so already being. The odds were stacked against us before they even started. We had to get ninety percent of those jurors to to agree just agree that there was enough evidence to move to a pet jury to have this go to trial. Apparently we fell short The dps s report. Which i'm hoping that the grand jury saw There was a warrant at large in their In arrest warrant for criminally negligent homicide which to me states that dp s foster was guilty of that charge been told that the consultant also would confirm that they believe that they should have been brought in for criminal exit homicide. So if you've got to entities that state that yes we're in agreement that This man was reckless I think the fault lies with the. Da's office one hundred ten percent There's there's an old saying that Leave it goes that the could get Grand jury to indict a ham sandwich if they wanted to. It's just known that prosecutor can go in there and if they're passionate about the case they can get an indictment with the facts alone that we've already talked about. How did the da's off office go in there. And not get an indictment. It's a complete failure of justice complete and utter failure from the top all the way down from the beginning correct announcing yeah. It absolutely has what what can my listeners. What can people watching. What can people on social media do to help. Hopefully katie's 'cause keep standing with us We have a facebook page justice for katie palmer. Staying with us help us get accountability. Like i said before corey foster to be held accountable for what he did. Dps needs to be held accountable for what they didn't do. This case needs to be tried in an open court. Corey foster was reckless. Coy foster was negligent. Katie palmer was killed. Corey foster didn't even get a citation. How was that justice. How was that justice at all. It's not if you live in texas. There's a bill that Representative terry has put before the texas house to house bill. Twelve eighty seven. It's called colin's law. There was a young man Colt carney had been driving work. His truck broke down. He decided to walk to work. He was hit by a driver and killed. The police. never got a blood test.
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"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"Might wanna ask her what she she saw. So no investigation not even the fundamentals of investigation aside from talking with corey so that that's frustrating in in and of itself. Can we talk about what happened with the grand jury in the da. And where you're at now and then and then we'll we'll kind of wrap up with what you want to see happen in what we can do to help you sure. Well i guess we start with the district attorney. Our district attorney's brett smith I reached out to brett Wanted to know what the status of this cases I don't remember how how many weeks had had had passed. I know that you know again. this incident occurred on the twenty first of april in a grand jury hearing was on the nineteenth of august. And i i called brad. Smith estimate that the case. He told me that he was aware of the case. hit for me that he had received the final report from gps. He was waiting on that stated that I knew more about it than than him. Which the time was absolutely fair. He hasn't received the paperwork. It's fine we had. My lawyer had received a copy of the crash. Report from dps obser- directly We probably a time did have more information than a week or so had passed my mother-in-law the rhonda nail reached out to brett. She had found a phone number for him Believe on facebook called bread. That was her first dealing with brett. Did not go. How my first interaction with brett went. He was hostile -tated that she had a self cellphone number told her that You should never contact public official on their cellphone regardless if it was posted on facebook or not She disliked his pro profile up. That's mother that just lost her daughter. No one can blame her for calling him told her at this point he had heard nothing about it. Did know who katie was. Eric how how would you feel. I think if your daughter was killed and in the one person that you're going to have to put all your trust into told you after telling me that he knew about the case told you that he had no knowledge of who of who she was And that you shouldn't have called her apartment. You shouldn't have called him. I don't think that would set. Well no. I don't think that would set. Well at our families was very emotional. Friends and family very emotional. This this time we have no platform gave the only platform that people have sometimes social media so rhonda took to so social media. She was very very emotional as she should be had posted about this conversation with our district attorney brett smith as a result and as you could imagine a lot of people were not happy with this the. Da's office was flooded with calls. Brad smith was put in a spotlight on social media. The next two phone calls. I received from brad. Smith warned about our case they were about his public image in social media about what's being said about him on facebook that's what our elected. Da who campaign for this position called me about as victim in a widower. I apologize to him told him that i would do everything i could to Ease this burden in. That was put upon him and then the fourth meeting we had was between Myself rhonda. You've tony who's katie's father. And logan who's katie's brother and it was with brett smith don hoover who's a prosecutor and there was a female prosecutor. There is as well meeting started off. i brought pictures of katie and wanted to introduce them to to katy they'd never met. Katie don hoover in the other prosecutor. There looked at all all the pictures seem very interested in what we had had say. Brett was very dismissive Told me that Heater to see this face. Facebook tried stopped me. I told him he's going to have to wait. I've got to get through this. I've got to introduce you to my wife. At would at which point when i was through for the third time brett brought up social media directly address. Rhonda was very dismissive to rhonda would not let her for some point time get a word in edgewise. And that was very disheartening again as you could imagine. When he wanted the conversation to end about social media eric his response to us was for us to call off our jihad. Those were the words from the district attorney of grayson county. Brad smith call off your jihad. He left that a laugh. And that phil dead in the room. I posted this on social media. Before i don't know if it was him trying to make a joke but he failed miserably at that. We listen to brad. We listen to the other two prosecutors in the room who were and as stated before the epitome of professionalism. They they listen to as answer questions. We left the meeting and we felt like we had a shot at justice based off the other two prosecutors air next i had meetings with cashmore. Ashmore was the first. He's the first assistant district attorney of grayson county We met a couple of times. He told me how he thought this was going to be difficult to prove. That corey foster was reckless. He thought that he was gonna have a hard time. Proving was wreckless eric. I just wanna bring up the facts. That koi foster as per the report said he couldn't see as soon as he left his his driveway There's a clip on facebook that i've recorded in that i've shown He loves a quarter mile away from where he hit us in driving. Thirty five miles an hour. It took thirty eight seconds. Corey foster drove blind. For thirty eight seconds he crossed over the road. It to pedestrians through a seventy feet killed my wife. Put me in the icu. Fifty minutes later blew a point zero six. How is that not reckless. That is the definition of reckless but curiosity more. Said he'd have a hard time proving that i vehemently disagree with him He was reluctant to bring up alcohol at all as being a factor because foster was administered a pt a portable breathalyzer tests and blew a point zero six again. Fifty minutes later Dps report states. That alcohol may or may not have been a contributing factor so alcohol was not ruled out but ashmore decided not to bring that up as per when he told told me. In addition the da's office would file would present the charge of curly negligent homicide against corey foster. Nothing was ever presented for. What corey foster did to me i. I was hit by by his truck. I i was thrown seventy feet. I was much more fortunate than than katie. Obviously i'd i did not die from the incident or or or the impact. The is office never brought up charges against corey foster for what he did to me which is simply put aggravated assault. So that was another failure so we can get to the jury. The grand jury. Eric was was held on august nineteenth and.
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"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"I'm sorry for making you endure these videos again john. It's never my intend to re traumatize people. But i think that this information is really important for people to know exactly what happened and exactly why you're asking for justice in you're asking for accountability. Because you know. I think that there may have been some in elliott into that but there may have been some leniency on the part of the initial investigator. And maybe even some you know negligence to a certain extent. That has jeopardized. I think what has happened. So let's talk about how i mean. Obviously he had been drinking. I don't know if there we don't know there were other substances in his system. And i'll talk about that as well but to to blow a point. Oh six fifty minutes. After the accident he he had not stop drinking the night before. The just your body would metabolize more at. I mean i'm not a scientist but that's significantly elevated alcohol in your europe. You're not a scientist. But you have common sense. And i feel as if the dps officer that day head commonsense corey foster right now would be preparing for criminal trial I wholeheartedly agree with you. A point zero six fifty minutes after crossing over the road striking to pedestrians knocking them out of their shoes. Killing one and sending one to the icu. Common sense would tell you that this man had was probably more than likely. I'm just going to say this. I believe he was at a point. Zero eighth grader. When when he hit us. It's it's inexcusable. First off why the trooper did not even ask corey. Foster for a blood test. Never asked him once. That was a complete an utter failure on the part of dps that day complete failure. We're talking about a Officer that has a lot of experience. The negligence that he displayed is horrendous These these dp officers are the best of the best and tarif alkatiri was anything but that on four twenty one twenty twenty and you had mentioned that you know we don't know what other substances He had in his system. A blood test would have shown if he did or didn't But because there was a complete failure in horrible judgment displayed that day. Corey foster is not given blood test. There's absolutely no excuse for that. Complete failure no excuse. He has a history of of interacting with law enforcement and he has a history of substances. Is that accurate. He's he's got any five year record. Yes i believe he's had to d- wiser in the the the past. Yes absolutely Everything about that day was inconsistent from the beginning. From how deep. Ps treated corey. Foster to as in that last clip showed his inconsistent story on when he stopped drinking his inconsistency on how many drinks he had going back to the first clip. He claimed that fog caused his blindness in any blamed. It on the sun fog anson. He said he never saw us. He thought he hit a telephone pole stated to the trooper. I probably shouldn't have drove. Didn't know what side of the road he was on. Didn't know what side of the road we were on. Didn't know where he was at in that first clip in my opinion he he seemed confused just so everybody is aware he hit us at roughly seven forty five in the morning. The trooper was dispatched from pots. Bro texas at seven fifty five. In the morning it arrived on scene. Approximately eight fifteen a m. So when you're first seeing corey foster for the first time on bodycam it headman thirty minutes instill in my opinion. He looked confused in in dazed. And if tree falcons had done his job that day our family wouldn't be here ten months later with nothing but questions. That don't have answers. Corey was administered field. Sobriety test which he passed allegedly. But i mean if you if you're at a point six in you're used to drinking. I wouldn't see it as a difficult stretch to believe that somebody could pass. But i think there probably is some concern about about that test in particular and then again like you highlighted the fact that there was no no blood tests administered which is a huge oversight. And then i think you talked about the fact that the scene was never secured. You know wasn't marked off as a crime scene. Is that correct. You are one hundred percent correct So just you know again. Go back no blood test. Not even a blood test requested In addition the gps officer. Never ask corey foster. If he was on his cellphone. Never asked if this is a case of distracted driving never asked to see his cell phone officer. Didn't ask any of the first responders what foster had been up to four thirty minutes prior to him riding on on scene. There were again at least two neighbors of mine. That were on site the trooper. Never talk to them at all One was the woman that i discussed. That sat right next to katy the entire time. I was laying next to katy. Never once talked to her. We had a neighbor that was across the street. That had actually heard the truck hit katie. And i he looked at his window in his kitchen In from hundred fifty feet away identified quarrying in his truck through that really dense fog. Corey said Was was present when he hit us. Dps never talked to these people. You look on bodycam footage and Both neighbors very very active. Very active both can be seen on bodycam talking to other. Eps officers there was never any narrative on what these officers observed that day as far as Speaking with both at the neighbours nothing from first responders. You're correct. Derivative did not mark the same as a dp officer arriving to an incident like this. I believe you'd there together in information. One mark where katie's body was. You'd wanna mark where coy foster stopped his truck. You might wanna talk to the neighbor across the street. Who was there. The entire time might've spoke to the neighbor that was with katie ni- prior to me being put into enabling katie being airlifted..
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"You got how yesterday. I mean honestly own. I'm just. I'm selling pretty strong today. Islam after. I got the research across seven. And if you have guess how many over over the four day probably okay. Over the entire day okay. The windy during.
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"At the hostel was in complete shock. Winter triage sir. asked asked about katie numerous times Was told that you know. As soon as any information any new information was provided i would would be a faded My brother-in-law dropped off his phone. I had some family family members arrive. I i got a phone call There is a lot of misinformation that day just with the trauma of everything that happened. I was told that she was going to be fine. That i was just an internal bleeding and That her head was fine. And everything will be fine and then i got a phone call two hours later stating that. She's not gonna make it by my family. Took my My kids down to see their mom to see her her body. She was on machines We had decided that she was going to donate her organs. We had a a company reach out to us My wife check that donor box Again very thoughtful very caring person. She check that box. They reached out to katie's mom and asked if You know we we would honor that after speaking with rhonda absolutely that's Twit katie would've wanted like. I said before. She was very compassionate and caring all the way up until the end she donated her heart lungs liver and kidneys and she save. Lives are are absolute worst day with somebody's best day with swiss. Some families best day. That was the last that was her her last act in how fitting for such a beautiful soul to leave this world and help others My kids visit her in the hospital. Being a being a father being a parent It was hard to not be there with my children in their time of need. That was difficult But they had eleven with them and they still still do. They eventually came to visit me in in the hostile. In that was that was very hard. What do you say to two children. That just lost their mother. There is nothing. There's there's there's no words that could fill the void left by this tragic incident. I got to tell him that. I love him that their mom loved him and they. They knew that there wasn't a day that went by that. Katie didn't tell both of our children how much she loved and adored them Katie told me that her most important job in her favorite job was being a mom. The kids left everybody left. Somehow i went to sleep. And i got a call at one am the following morning and They did confirm that Katie was brain dead. That's what happened on april twenty first twenty twenty and know that there is nothing that i can say. That's gonna make any difference. I am so so sorry for your loss. I want to thank you for your courage and your willingness to to share your story. I don't know if you saw any of the comments but a lot of people are are are behind you and sending you're sending their love to you and your family. And i know nothing is going to make it better but i think the starting point. I'm not sure. But i feel like probably agree is is to get that day in court to have have justice for katie. Now i mean that's that's what what we want. We want accountability eric We cory cory foster needs to be held accountable for what he did that that that day i. I know that you haven't gone into details. And i know there's other clips that you probably want want to play but What corey foster did. And i'm sure what we're going to go into more detail about Was criminal was reckless obviously negligent. He needs to be held accountable absolutely. ds for what. They didn't do that day. They need to be held accountable. This this case needs to be tried in open court not handle behind closed doors. Crime was committed in the beautiful life was taken never to return. Applauded needs to be some sort of of justice here so i am going to play a couple more clips here and then and then we'll go into the details of what happened and why and why justice is not is not here yet. So let's get this pulled up here real quick. Oh i fell out long. Yeah i may not have had a couple of which was About seven yeah. I mean i went to bed early..
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"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"The kind of mon that you knew there was a lot of pain behind it. I tried to stand up. I could not stand up. I crawled over to my wife laid her as best. I could on her back At this point Corey foster who hit us. Who was a neighbor. He had lived. Who lives on our road. Who lived across the street from where we went to go. Look for killer about a quarter mile away He hit us. He's the gentleman that was in the clip that you played He had yelled. And i'm paraphrasing. i couldn't see I didn't know it was y'all i grabbed my wife's hand and Another neighbor at that time had come over and She had sat down in the grass. By katie's head and i was holding katie's katie's hand Begging for her to breathe. She was not breathing. Beg for her beg for her to breathe. I thought if she could just breathe if she could just breathe.
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"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"And how she was by the people in her life and i do that with every every interview. I i make sure that that's the first thing we talk about because you know in true crime. It's it's easy to. We talked about this before you and i john. But it's easy to sensationalize intern. True crime into some people see it as entertainment and and as a family member of a murder victim. I find that incredibly offensive because it is the worst day in a family's life when something like this happens when something tragic like this happens and so i just ask everyone watching and listening to remember that we are talking about somebody who was loved incredibly incredibly loved in who is incredibly missed and and she deserves respect in the palm family and and in the extended family deserve respect As as they continue to fight for justice so. I just want to put that out there before we go into the next part so if you can john key walk me through the events of the day. The katie passed away. Yes a will so the night before. Which was april twentieth. Twenty twenty five. I had told her that I was gonna get up in the morning and workout. We've got a little outbuilding in our backyard. Sorta work out there in the mornings and told her when i got through i was talking to go for a walk. She told me okay. You know go go ahead and wake me up. You know whenever you go go for the walk which is funny Katie was not a morning person at all so half-heartedly told her. Hey that's fine. You know. I absolutely wake you up to have you. Tell me know that you do not want to go for a walk. So that's thirty. One of the backyard worked out. Send her a text. Roughly about seven ten astra. She wanted to go walking and didn't get a reply thought to myself. Ok well you know. She's she's still asleep. I walked into the house. Woke her up in while corrupt gently. Because she wasn't a morning person told her that i was going to go for a walk. Astra she wanted to come. I she never went on when he walks with me. Ever she she said no then I gave her a guilt trip. Said come on. Let's go and for some reason That day on april twenty first. Twenty twenty She decided to take up on on then offer so she she got ready and I went to go tell her son brandon that his mom and i are going to go go for a walk and brandon frequently but walking with me in the morning Very thankful that he didn't that that day It's a blessing that he stayed in bed. dell was fast asleep We we let her sleep as long as brandon. We were gone. We were just walking down our own So we left roughly about seven thirty Street we live on is glenwood drive. It runs east to west We started walking and we headed west on glenwood drive There two houses between us in golf course Normally we would go walk on that. Golf course That day there seemed to be some do on the ground Katie was teaching kids through distance learning due to covid. I don't believe at that time. She had to sign on until nine thirty or ten so she said she didn't want to walk through the golf course because she didn't wanna get you know her ankles wet legs went in they go lay back down So you know that's that's that's completely fine. We continued walking down. Glen would Walk down She told me that I believe the day before There were some killer Which are birds that nest on the ground Birds that she studied in or theology. Class at austin college which is a college we we met Which is one town south where we now live denison it's located from taxes and she loved kilger and so We walk down down the road again. Heading west There's a depression in the road. And then it comes back up. There's a i guess. A housing subdivision called fairway states. There's a couple undeveloped lots in. That's where the killed renouncing and we looked and couldn't see any we. We could see all those undeveloped lots. There were no kill deer nesting on the ground. That we we could see so we turned around while back so we were Hit east ongoing drive on the north side of the road facing any oncoming traffic. We got proximity a quarter mile from where we turned around and the last thing. Sorry the last thing. That i remember was walking with katie. And she looked over. I remember her looking over her left shoulder. And saints off to tony with a mic. Like like a smirk. That's when we got hit. I remember being thrown. I don't i didn't feel the impact in. We did not hear the the the truck. The truck that this was a f to fifty and That's a two or three ton ton truck it hit us. I'm flying through the air Can see at a my right eye the truck and it seemed like we were going about at the same speed I hit the ground rolled. Came came to it. I i never lost consciousness at all. I remember just being on the ground. I remember the smell of grass tried to get up. I could only get to my hands and knees. It felt like somebody had rachid strap around my my middle section Around around my upper abdomens and felt like they were ratcheting it and very very very very painful. That's win that's when i looked up and saw katie. We got hit in that truck which had crossed over the road. Hit us An expert With tell the disc attorney's office that that truck Hit us in projected us seventy feet. It hit us so hard. It knocked us both out of our shoes. When i when. I looked up and i got my hands and knees i saw katie. She had tilted up. She had proper self up on her left side in. She was looking in my direction but she was looking almost pass me and She let out was a horrible moan..
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"katie palmer" Discussed on True Consequences
"In between all of this but we're going to go ahead and get started with this clip real quick. Tell me well. I was leaving the house to go get a couple of guys. We're going to help me do some more today. And i was just clearing my windshield real. Yeah and then. I had on high just didn't see the player with i shouldn't a grid. Yeah i've said awaited the house. What side of the road were they on that you noticed. I thought i never saw okay. We're back so for those of you who don't know. That was some footage from the body camera from the would call him highly. Yes that is a. Gps officer in texas we call him state trooper their defacto state police. Okay i'm so that was actual footage. We have a couple more clips that will play throughout this conversation before we get into what happened to katy first of all. I want to extend my condolences to you and your family and katie's family. It's never easy. Losing a loved one and and not getting justice when justice is deserved. It makes it even worse so so from me to do from the victim's family member to another victim family member. I offer my condolences to you. My heart goes out to you and your family and you have my prayers and you have Whatever support. I can give you so. It's wanted to say that. I thank you so much. That is very very kind. Thank you my pleasure. I i know. I can't say anything to make a better but the i i will offer whatever i can. I'd like i'd like to start this conversation john by talking about katie. Who katie was. What katie meant to you and your family in anything. You want to share about her absolutely. That's a hard question. It's it's not hard because Speaking about katie. Got a with know where to stop. It's hard because having to answer a question like that just with one simple word nets in that net sitting you know who who katie was. It's really hard speaking about her in past tense she. She was an amazing person. And is just. It's hard to eulogize your wife. Katie was intelligent. She was a lover of nature. She was a lover of science. She was kind. She was respectful compassionate. Caring beautiful inside and out. She was funny. One thing that i grew to love about her was this. Was this laugh. And it's funny. Because her mom has her mom. Rhonda has the same laugh by nature. They are very loud and the laugh was Full in it was beautiful. You definitely hear her before you saw her every day. You know looking back every day then it got to hear. That laugh was a great day. She was my soul mate and hearing that that lasts brought joy to my heart. She she was very family centric. She was the daughter of tony and rhonda. Tony lived in oklahoma We would go up there. He had he had a lot of land. He had cattle. Katie would go up there talking. Tony about family about things going on that. He's doing up there on his land cattle. Every time she spoke to him he'd get this grin from ear to ear. He absolutely adored her anytime. There is any weather any sort of Inclement weather or you know a cell moving in the area you can rest assured that katy would be on the phone with her dad and they would talk at length about whether any time that we had a family trip that we went on with with tony I think they got more fun out of planning the actual trip then going on the trip itself Katie's mom rhonda. I don't think in fact. I know there wasn't a day that went by that. Both of them didn't didn't talk and hard pressed to tell you that two days went by they weren't around each other raw katie's best friend. They did everything together. Whether rose go out to eat go run around go walking or just enjoy each other's company. Katie adored her mother. Katie toward our our kids. Of course as as any mother would bella had the same relationship with katie. That katy had with her mom in as a father in husband Seeing three generations together time was beautiful The role model with katie continues to have one with rhonda as a husband in a father. I'm blessed to have married such a wonderful woman My my son takes after katie. He's a very caring kid. He loves nature. love science He has a big heart like like like his mom. We we both in everybody else in our family have have hole in it Because of what was taken from us this community our family. Our friends have been extremely supportive. And i'm just so thankful for that. Katie was a teacher at scott. Middle school she. She taught science. She brought a stem program into scott middle school. She created a robotics club She took students to robotics competitions in the metroplex and for those that are in new mexico the the metroplex what we the dallas fort worth area. I went on a trip with her in sixteen other students to california. It was stem based we started in northern california and worked out rey down to southern california. We went to the tar pits. We went through the griffith observatory. We've got to tour a google. And i think she had more fun than all the kids those kids. She treated those kids as her her own. one one thing that really stuck out with me when she was teaching She had a couple of boys in her class. Played soccer asked her to come to a game so she took me in the kids to go. See this game and it was a middle school soccer game and Eric was forty five degrees outside in raining. And i didn't have a kid playing in the game so that every five minutes as a hey can we go ahead go and she said no you kept on telling me though and said You know. I've i've got to be here. These these kids asked me to come. They didn't have anybody there that was going to be watching them. And so She said. I've got to be there for them. That's the kind of person. Katie was katie was a beautiful soul. Katie burn bright. We miss her terribly. Thank you for for sharing the for giving me the opportunity to share it. I know it's not easy to to go through that. But i feel that it's very important for people who do not know katie to understand how important she was.