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Tolerated Not Wanted with Kathy Smith Carter

Inspiration and Spiritual Awakening from Live. Love. Engage. with Gloria Grace Rand

37:47 min | 4 months ago

Tolerated Not Wanted with Kathy Smith Carter

"Welcome to live love engage. The podcast where we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to create a life and business with more impact, influence and income. I'm your host, Gloria Grace Rand the inciteful copywriter and founder of the love method. My mission is to help stop doubting yourself. So you can live fully love deeply and engage authentically. Stay an welcome to live love engage I am Gloria Grace, rand, and today. I am delighted to have a guest on the program who is great to share with us. A Bit about her personal journey with. A with a particular. Illness that she's had but how she was able to overcome it, and because did cause her some challenges and her name is Kathy Kathy Smith Carter was going to take out the Smith but I decided to throw it in any way because that's what I had written down here in my notes. So there you go She is a wife of twenty years a daughter Sister Anna moms three labradors. I doubt She's been elementary school counselor for fourteen years, and she uses her dogs as therapy dogs in her counseling sessions, which is call and she was born with a rare skin disease and experienced many challenges as a result and as she reached Middle Age she found herself struggling with depression anxiety related to her traumatic experiences as a child, and as a result, she wound up actually writing a book about this which we're gonNA, talk about during this interview in the hopes of helping others to overcome their trauma inexperienced victory. So walk on Kathy to love engage. Thank you for having me be here. Yeah, I am. Delighted to have you here many would shrug downing remember now we connected but you know through social media I guess or or whatever it's it's I get to meet the most interesting people. So I love being able to meet people who how fascinating stories to share and and I did get to read a summary, your book, and and but for those who have not had the pleasure yet, and we'll talk a little bit more about that minute Let's start off with just maybe if you can share with our audience a bit about when actually was the skin disease said, her one is your skin disease that you Have dealt with in your life and and how did that actually affect you growing up? Okay. So I was born it's a genetic mutation. Okay. In my case, nobody in my family ever ever that we know of has ever had it noted the genetic mutation, but it's very rare call ichthyosis which comes from the Latin. Word meaning fish no, my skin has. Scales. All over my body my face is not as affected meme my the palm of my hands in the bottom of my feet are not as affected. It is all over my body. I was born in a hard schill. My mother says that you could take your fingernail. And Tat, and that's what it sounded like it. Sounded like a turtle shell that you were tap and within a couple of days. That, I'll peel off was left raw. edito just. Grow I'm sorry. So for the first happily, no, when it ended, but I know for several months, I wasn't able to be held. Every I wonder how that affected me. Maybe I need to do some counseling on that but. You know I wasn't held while eight wasn't slept kiss everything. Hurt me and even even today one of the side effects one of the. Symptoms of Moscow disease is that I get hurt they're very easily. So I have to be aware loose baggy clothes. Nothing can be high on my body. I need to be. Commercial because CROC are the only shoes that I can wear. Of them because I can stand them and they're not even touching my foot. His shoes. Heels off limits overly cannot wear them for even if team twenty minutes. But although I get hurt easi easily a, he'll about four times faster than you do. How. Really really crazy high I was. Five. Or six and I cut my the back of my leg open on Christmas. Eve. And on Christmas Day my doctor had come to my house lamy out on the kitchen table and take this dishes out because my skin was growing over the dishes Oh my goodness twenty four hour. Wow. I know I've actually been at the hospital and had a cut on my on I said, yes you need stitches the doctors busy. Tied by the time he got there. I didn't need stitches anymore. Wow. Well, that's my superpower. Have a superpower. I love it. You know what? One blessing I guess if have to deal with that that's one advantage while yes. But my skin peels all the time. Imagine Danger on steroids all over my body heal your skin peels in microscopic pieces mine peels in large very visible. I- long to wear black. Blue I'm serious armory. Again I have to it doesn't have a pattern that will hide it. I can't about skin the whole. Tom No NAPA. I don't sweat. So. At least like I'm supposed to be an outside is a huge problem I live in the south it is haw. Wool so that's a struggle to. Live have a pool which helps and I've learned to carry squirt bottles with me and where swim bathing suits can get wet and all that kind of stuff but as a child. Especially as a child has gotten a little bit better since then on actually my skin was very. Unnerving to look at. Did scaly gross Okay. Nand it smelled bad because when you have that much when you're covered in thick dead skin bacteria gets up underneath the scales they did I made of course. Of course, I did every day. Highs today but. As a little one as started entering school. while. My. Very first memory I remember kindergarten at all but by first and only first grade is the very first day a little boy in my class hitched I screaming crying genuinely terrified. Because he was in my class. I don't WanNa be around her WanNa be in her class you know so. Early on there was a sense that my presence made other people uncomfortable. Genuinely, uncomfortable uncomfortable and. You not somebody say to me this week. I empathize with their I I. Still I don't hold any grudges toward now because. I mean. If somebody looks different. You choose not to look at. Right. But if somebody smells different and smells bad and your the unfortunate person who has locker next to them or zinc behind them in class. You can't do anything about that and they were shocked that I describe it that way but. I mean I wouldn't have wanted to be around me either and that sounds awful but. Needless to say that caused some problems for me in the long run. Schiller as far as how I saw myself and how. You know viewed May. Absolutely now because I can imagine that. I. Mean. CAD Kids Kids A. God bless him but they can also be very cruel because they don't understand and if they don't have maybe. Adults. Teaching them you know how to respect differences and other people I mean, and it's interesting when you when you sit talked about smelling different I, remember there was a ghoul girl in school who? SMELLED FUNKY and a lot of people it was like they didn't want to be around her and and me too and you know and I don't know what her issue was but it was just like you know yeah and and I now looking back at it it's like, wow, you know I feel bad for how I reacted because she wasn't nice person I don't know and yet. For whatever reason she had this issue so How how did you? How did you finally maybe deal with this? What? What was Guess. What what other how did that make you feel dealing with all these kids you know as you were growing up and then and then into adulthood. Well. Okay. So. Ours is all homeless my second place I had two older sisters that very much loved me and took care of me. I was looking at pictures this week. Of My Childhood in all the pictures at home. I am full of life I am happy in my own skin bride. I. Just love in life but when I left. Home. My own way and people ask me my mother the very first thing that she said to me when I told her about me telling my story, she said. Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you tell me? Because what were you going to do maw? More unity school may she said well, I could have done that. I'm glad that she did it. I was never taught to use my skin as an excuse to do anything except move forward. So I didn't tell my parents. I didn't tell the teachers honestly the teachers are just as grossed out as the kids they couldn't say it monthly. Try to fight back by the act if you. WanNa call it that I would. See you know they would say, Oh, do you take a bath? Yes. Of course. I do. So I created. Not Consciously. 'cause I was a little kid but the way I dealt with it was everybody was invisible and I was. Literally. Memories of being standing at the front of the bus waiting to get off at my stop and the kids on both sides of me ill you staying. Don't you take a bath your skin skinless like Dr Plato, and I would just ignore them look straight ahead. Pretend they're invisible get off the bus, go to my mom and put it behind me never talk about it until then it's dead. And then it would start over again. That coping strategy kind of followed me throughout my life ended up causing some problems because I got really really good at pretending none of the bad stuff was happening. and. When I got older. The you've already mentioned that we're trauma I started seeing a counselor in was like happy that's trauma and I was like, no, it's not no trauma is when you've been a war. been abused. Or violent crime that's not as she's. Happy That's trauma affected every area of your life. Yes, that's trauma. So Once I. figured that out. then. I had a place to start and start to get some healing, but I became an adult that. I'm forty nine now that. Two years ago I was depressed and anxious to the point of. ALMOST SUICIDAL Thoughts running through my head Everyone would be better without me. If I just turn the wheel, I can run into this tree or run off that bridge at an act on them and those were there. And just my general belief about myself being people tolerate me they don't want me around. I'm gross I'm you know the smell has gotten a hundred times better most days? It's not there take medication that helps with my skin. Now, I don't look as bad as I did. But it is still there. So, how did you get past went? What did you do I mean dealing with those types of thoughts? How did you? How'd you get past that? I didn't tell anybody for a long time but it. It really bothered me and it should bother you if you are those kind of thoughts. Yeah. You're driving home from work and just turned the wheel like it ended up. Should Bobby you win it did and I started talking to men about it. And we. Started with. Going to the doctor and talking Tim acqusition about medication. A lot of people feel that's a cop out. Don't want medication I. Do not I. Don't I take medication for Diabetes Vermont Thyroid? Depression is no different Nehemiah on. So. I had to start with medication. Started with one medication ended up having a second one to Kinda get those neurotransmitters going. Once those kicked in his because when you're in a severe depression, you feel like you're stuck in quicksand. Getting out of bed going to work in I, did continue to go to work. I didn't do the best job that could do. I was better when I was with the kids at my school when I was teaching them when I was with them though stocks tended to. Stay away but soon as I got alone. A. Cambridge pretty of the, but I started with medication Sh- and then I. The counseling. and. That's where I learned about trauma. And God began to really start working in my life at that point she she is a Christian counselor. So, she brought God and Jesus into every single session, and that's when things really started to turn around for me. That's good and and I. It's interesting that you you said that when you were helping or know working with the kids, that's when the thoughts were put aside for awhile and because I know that in reading and and even experiencing things like that myself that when we are focused on helping others. Were service other people than our stuff doesn't seem nearly so bad because we're focused on somebody else's needs. So thank heavens that you actually have that in your life a net at probably help to in addition to getting counseling which I'm so glad you did because that's also so important for anyone listening and watching. I'm just GonNa just say right now if you find yourself having suicidal thoughts to reach out there are there are hotlines available reach out don't try to manage this on your own get help. Some glad you did, but is that is going through. And then we'll get back to God to because I, think the the God part of that is is an important part as well Actually let's let's start there. Let me start there and then we'll. Pick up on, it What what do you think maybe is? was significant about million particularly in a working with like a Christian counselor and how did how did? How did your spirituality and that help you? In particularly do you think? Oh goodness. I can give you a few examples that. As I'm talking with her about my childhood I told you that one incident there's many even on into high school even with teachers even on into adulthood I have had other people who I thought were Ma. Friends and coworkers very cruel. Say really hurtful things again her about how I just. Felt tolerated not wanted in any way she would say to me. But. What does God say about eat? I don't know she's like Malek. That's an example in that. Still She's still brings that up to me. I felt unforgivable for several mistakes that I made in she would you know what has got say? Do you believe, and this is a point that I can talk about in the book a lot new. You believe that what God says is true is he lying? Right. Yeah. Then if he's telling the truth and you believe him, then you have the choice and it is a choice. Exactly. Like it is true. Thanks Mike It. Is True. But not an easy choice is not gonna calm just like that. But another example. DEBT FIRST GRADE PER SE. I Greg. The little boy was hitching a fit. We did something called trauma processing with that incident he is. That's my earliest memory of really feeling like my credits makes other people uncomfortable. And one of the things that she asked me to do was to I imagine forty eight year old Kathy walking into the classroom. What would forty eight year old Capi said to me at six and then she had me do it. With Jesus. Jesus walks into that classroom capping. What does he do? What does he say and I didn't even have to tell her I decided to think that through in my head. And you know Jesus was there he? He knew it. He saw my suffering he felt for me but he couldn't couldn't rescue me from it why the one motzkin two, a million. Tuna million why me? I don't know I don't know. But maybe this is why you know you never know this. You know. So she my counselor. Firmly, believing Christian counselors because. I don't think healing can take place without God in. She consistently brought me back. To where my eyes were looking in the right direction. That's awesome. Yeah. Because I definitely I love how she said what what would God say and talking about is it true because? I believe were created in God's image so. And and also you know God doesn't make mistakes or you're not a mistake you were created for a reason and perhaps the reason is for you to have gone through all of this so that you could. Share your story and maybe help. Who are going through? Similar or maybe the other. You know other one in a million years. You're one of two, the other that other person out there who who is who is going through this and needs some support in straight. So which brings me to my next question, which is what? What prompted you to decide fine to actually share your story because I mentioned already that your mother was was surprised I think that you were going to do that. So what prompted you and how'd you find the courage who? It was not my idea. Let me. Okay. Not. My. Idea I was in this very room cleaning house on Saturday in November of last year in I heard almost out. Loud write a book. I was like that's hilarious. I don't know how to write a book I. Don't know what you're talking about. Nobody wants to hear what I have to say. At blew it off. Okay. So the next week same room same thing. Happy. You have a story. That I'm. GonNa use tomato. Glory into bring people closer to me. Tell your story and I was like, okay. Okay. Okay. I'll tell it. He said no ride it. On with my husband and I told him what I as I kind of you're not gonNA believe this. Honestly. That's exactly what happened in six months later. It's on Amazon. Kindle and. I don't even know I don't even know how got here but now I just want it to get in the hands of the people that need it. Need your mom message part of my message in this book is God exit or you you have to help yourself? And you know, for example, what does God say? About you. Well, it's not going to jump out of the Bible into your head right? It doesn't work that way. You can't sleep on it and it isn't your head. I'm being funny I, I've a little bit of a jokester in means. Sorry. But so I had TV, very intentional about finding out what God says about me this would be easy to do nothing. It will be I wasn't in church had been. In. Church in thirty years. and. I had to get up get to church, which was sounds very simple go to church. It's not that simple when you've been away for that long when you have that much shame and condemnation in Satan was you know he was on me pretty hard core but I had to get back in church in a head to in an a small group Bible study I'm the Kinda person when I look at the Bible I don't even know where start. you know what what. So I needed to get involved in a small group that had a guided Bible study. You know that made me look up scriptures in answer questions about it. And I had to be super super intentional ahead to memorize not a ton of scriptures to. And put them all over my house. Literally. One now. And I would read them. Happy God has not given you a spirit of fear. But of power love and of sound, mind. Or self discipline and it does take self-discipline it takes. Recognizing when those do you think those thoughts have gone away snow they're still there. The enemy still wants me to believe that. I don't deserve to be here. That, I'm you know unlovable an unwanted and I have to be very self disciplined to when I when I hit My will tell me. It's just a fault, right? It can't hurt you and you don't have to pay attention to it. You have to keep thinking thought she's crazy. She's crazy. There's no way I can control my thoughts. We'll guess what I learned to do just that. I did when when he say wants to attack me when I'm on, your is my Jesus listen to music in. Mon circles and you know anyway. In. Acted feel he he wants to intervene in that wants to try to stop me from having that time with gotten. So it takes a lot of self. And I don't do it perfectly every time. But I could feel those thoughts coming in and it's like, no. No. Go I'm a child of the key. Agai. You don't have any authority here. Leave me alone a talk with my hands I'm sorry. No, that's perfectly I I do too but I've learned to to to to keep them on my lap create most of the time released while I'm interviewing what I'm doing my own cast and is just me talking yeah, I property. Animated. But I love that on because I've got actually I have like a little card on my desk that says Yes. Something similar like like it's only a thought and thought can be changed. And that's it. You can. You can choose because that is the other thing is that God gave us free well to to make choices an answer you you talked about that already a little bit because we we can. You can. You can decide and say, yeah, it's just know. Thank you. Thank you for sure I sometimes I'll do that was like when those thoughts come in my head, I'll be like, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing okay. Now I'm GonNa do I'm going to choose to think something differently because I don't like this. Right exactly now, my mother. She she doesn't like it when I do this, but he says to me growing up, you should never say shut up right you should say hush being quiet stopped talking you never say shut up. Think if there's anybody that deserves to hear shut up it saying I renowned then. Thank. You know. She had to say that but I've yelled it on the lawnmower before acquis spurred it in my house in the middle of an argument with my husband, which doesn't happen often but. We have to stand up ourselves. We have that tower. Yes. To exercise our identity in Christ and. It does take. There's that verse again, Power In love and self discipline, and we have to love ourselves as much as he loves us right and we have. To love. Him. In. The way that one mistakes I made is I put my husband on the throne. Big Time because. Imagine being me thinking, is anybody ever going to love me? I am unlovable. I am gross. No one's ever GONNA. Love Me. So when I found this amazing man twenty years ago. I latched onto him and we latched onto each other and are really made him my everything. and. I had to learn but God on the throne. I Yeah. And and I think. It's also about putting you first too because you are part of God and God as a part of you. So that's good the to learn to do that Oh, I was Gonna ask you because you mentioned that you have like about Bible verse. So in your house. So what is the one that you are looking at? What is it say? I'm curious. That one. I just said that gotten not not giving us a spirit of fear our. Okay. All right. Cool. Yes. Another one that says a do not be afraid. I am your God. I. Will Help you in Comfort something like that in another room. But sometimes, I'll literally just had to walk up to those hanging on the wall and say them over and over and over and over. Even recorded myself Oh Shairman that smart yea absolutely. That's very good. Oh and I just realized that I, don't think we ever said with the name of your book is so can you share that it? Yeah, it is cop taller did not wanted if you think about my story that makes sense tolerated not wanted. In the subtitle is finding God in the aftermath childhood trauma that's what it looks like. Online probably backwards but it's got a picture of me as a little girl in a snow globe in the reason, the snow globe. I told you my skin peels. I'm. We call that snow it. My House. act. White, my arm I can walk across the floor in their skin everywhere. So I live in a snow globe that's what I tell people and greenware I go. In balls out of my clothes out of my hair everywhere. So. I'm in a snow nobody else. I knows in a Snow Globe Mature Yeah Wow that's an how could imagery. In in going through your journey now had. And I noticed that Well what? What tips would you have for someone? Who is you know for whatever reason is finding themselves? Any we you know we mentioned about the suicide, but maybe it's not quite that severe. It's they're just having dealing with depression anxiety. Especially in light of this year, you know we've been dealing with this crazy pandemic and which I think has made a lot of people much more anxious than they normally would have been otherwise. So what what do you recommend for people? Yet help. Then, don't be afraid to talk about it to let people around you know what you're struggling with and don't be afraid to make that phone call to your doctor or to your cap to a counselor. Don't be afraid to do that. Those were huge steps for me but they were lifesaving steps for me. It's okay to not be. Okay. Yes. But it's not okay to choose to stay there and not get help when you need it. An out also say that you need to in my opinion very intentional about learning what our heavenly father says about us because. There's a lot of promises in that Bible that can calm anxiety. And I had to be very intentional about seeking those out. Yeah I actually I've I've got a plaque up on my wall over here that says with God all things are possible. And I I truly believe that and it it. It's just a matter of. Acknowledging that and knowing that. I think also in in knowing that. God has our best interests at heart. God doesn't want us to suffer and so if you're finding that you are in pain than like you said, reach out, get help and Anik maybe it's even if you do belong to a church, you know even call your I've actually done that before I've reached out to to you my minister before when I was having some Issues and and it's a star so don't be afraid to do. Yeah, that's awesome If well, what what do you? Okay. So you you're still a teacher or what is your on school county a school counselor. Okay. All right. So kids which. Oh. Okay. All right. Well, that's that's very rewarding imagined. But how are you managing now even again with because kids have been home home from school and stuff. So how how is that? Are you able to even still council? Kids right now. I think the ones. Right, I think the ones that when we went. Off The pandemic. The ones that really needed me were not able to get to me. which is really sad note, the kids that I could talk to were kids whose parents are very involved. You know the ones that needed me. Possibly were the the things I needed to talk about were sitting right next to them. Trapped at home with domestic violence increasing. Out of us and all that listen I'm a hugger maybe that goes back to me not being touched so much a child and people being grossed out by me but I get more. Hugs by eight o'clock the most people get in a day at work. And I miss that. I don't know how on earth come and go back as CD's beautiful happy faces and not A. I don't I don't know how to do that have to up. You'll figure out a way. You will figure out a way even if you have to do the old sailboat thing cuts what? At least get some sort of touch a little bit comfort, a child who is. Because they miss their mom without. Yeah Well. Let's. Hope, that some way we will figure out a way out of this in will work out better Any last Bit Of. Advice or or any other information that we haven't talked about maybe that you think would be helpful that you might want people to know that if they go to tolerate it not wanted dot com emptier is a free workbook that they can download that goes along with the book. Gated Sky, Bible verses and things that you can walk through yourself. Though that's out there, and then the book is on Amazon Kindle, of course. So. Excellent while I will be sure to have that all that information will be shown out. So if you go to live love engage podcast, dot com and search for the episode search for Kathy Smith Fat Carter Cathy Carter. And tolerated, you'll find it so you'll be able to get the information. So yes, encourage everyone. Yeah. Go ahead and pick up a copy of the book order and definitely take advantage of the at free workshops very gentle as so thank you so much for being here and sharing your story and Hopefully, you have inspired someone out there to. Be kind to themselves and to realize that. They can get help so. That's my attention you so much. And thank you. Dear lovely listeners and door viewers on. Youtube I appreciate you as well and Until next time as always, I encourage you to go out there and live fully love deeply and engage authentically. One more thing before you go. As value blister of the live love engage podcast I wanna help you shine your light in the world not only while you're listening to the show but all day every day of the week. That's why I created. The would love engage spiritual awakening community on facebook. 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Surprising Longevity Secrets from a Fitness Titan  Kathy Smith with Dave Asprey : 723

Bulletproof Radio

58:21 min | 6 months ago

Surprising Longevity Secrets from a Fitness Titan Kathy Smith with Dave Asprey : 723

"Station Pie. You're listening to bulletproof radio with Dave asprey. Today. We're GONNA. Talk about fitness with someone who I would call a fitness titan impact. That's what Forbes her none other than Kathy Smith. She's been doing this health and wellness thing for almost forty years of focusing on. How does she keep herself? Amazingly fit and healthy. And how does she help people do that? We're talking about. She pioneered her first fitness video in nineteen, eighty, one and You'd be like a lot of people listening to the show. You never actually pushed a VCR tape into a VCR thing, and had this other little stripes at the bottom, because the heads were misaligned, and all that stuff I did when I was in high school. Well, yeah, that was the first fitness videos and CDs DVD's leader none of that crap, but she's been doing it for so much time more than twenty million of. Of them sold super authentic and someone who's built a life and the lifelong business with connecting mind and body, and you're gonNA find this to be really inspirational. You'RE GONNA. Learn something about how you can actually be incredibly vibrant. No matter what you're doing, no matter where you are no matter how long you've been doing something that you love This is the second time she's been on the show I've been on her show. And Kathy? It's an honor to have you back on bulletproof radio. Oh, it's always so much fun. You're my hero in so many ways because I feel this alignment with you because you're I'm turning sixty nine this year, and when I when I, when I was your age and younger I, you've heard the story before, but I lost my parents when I was late teens, and that sent me on my journey of fitness wellness, healing the mind pulling myself out of depression, and so many of the things that I hear you talk about. went through a lot of those stages at different You Know Com same time. You're maybe a little earlier including. Since I was a product of the seventies you know all of the mushrooms and the psychedelics, and all that that was kind of that was happening at that point, not medicinal marijuana, but actually the smoking, the marijuana, and all that time period of self-discovery Meditation, but most importantly for me, it was as you mentioned the fitness and I started running at you know just to run away from my pain and my anxiety, and my fear, and my depression and I found. This little gem of of. Course something called endorphins and everything else. That happens when you work out. That just helped me out of that period so. Really loving the journey. I'm still stuck on the fact. You said you were sixty nine sooner. Cathy, no human who sees you? Sixty nine yet right whatever. I have found that incredible amounts of Najd happened when I interview people who are around seventy and older. Because Hey, I'm late forties. So that means you've got another couple of decades of experience that I can draw from that. Our listeners can draw from and you clearly have the brain in the energy to be able to just say hey, look, this is what happened. I've seen this one before. and. What I WANNA know is given that you have this history vision, which is way more accurate than mine. What has changed in the fitness industry over those four decades. When you've really paid attention to it, so walk me through kind of the cycles that you've seen. Tell me where we are today. Definitely lemming, wrap my arms around us right now. First of all I want to just say one thing as far as technology, so you started with the introduction with the VCR's and the VHS is. Honestly before that in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, eight was my very first product, and that was an exercise album. What if you could get access to all of the sleep stuff that I know stuff that I haven't put even in the blog yet. And what if it was a challenge for fourteen days where I teach you every single day? How to get deeper sleep have more dreams and how to get better sleep in less time. Sleep is important right now, so join me in asleep challenge I put together for you. There's huge amounts of information for you. You get private facebook group access I'll be going live in the group for to Qa sessions only about sleep during the challenge just interact with everyone who's a? A part of the challenge and Best of all, even if you don't have anything to track your sleep I'm including free access to an APP that you normally have to pay for that. Let's you track your sleep during the challenge, so go to Daveramsey dot com slash sleep, challenge in sign up right now. I Really WanNa teach you everything that I've learned about how to go from being a horrible sleeper to someone who gets more sleep and less time than people half my age. That's Dave asprey dot com slash sleep challenge for the very best sleep packs, and a community of people working on their sleep. And nineteen seventy eight was my very first product, and that was an exercise album. So the way we exercise in nineteen seventy eight. was that you put a L. P. on you? Put It on a turntable. There'd be a poster on the wall with pictures of me and you follow along and from there. We did go to CRTV DVD's the interactive's now I have apps and we're doing. Zoom calls zoom workout, so technology change and I've always been a technology junkie I've loved it, and so that was one of the things of. How do you deliver information? Information so you have outside of the question, and then to your kind of what I think you're directing your question, too. Is the fitness side and we've seen it? Go through the cardio phase. The big running boom, the seventy s which launched into you know the big aerobics craze in the eighties with high impact. You know headbands. Let's get physical. You know you're in the clubs. The clubs became the place the social. That was the social center. That's where you went to meet. People meet men meet women me girls me, boys! You have fun, get those. Get sweaty together, and that then went into you know, and then at the same time you have golds gym coming up and you have the the whole strength training, and Arnold and all of that and I want to backtrack just even before that because a good friend of mine of Jack Elaine Jack Lane. Starting in the fifties with his little outfit, and telling people about mind, body and nutrition, so I think that strengthen became popular, and then you have all these little Oh! You know, different. Matai offshoots is what I'm trying to think of. You have these offshoots of Cardio Strength Training Mind Body, and when I started my first aerobics video or my first video I you know I, put my hands up like this and I said think about your fitness is cardio, its strength and it stretching mind body balance that type of thing. Thing so to have that balance between the three, so those three things interestingly enough have not changed that much through the years which change how we approach that so strength training can be anything from. Let's lift heavyweights to let's do trx to let's do our body weight. Let's do tubing and that's where the product side where we this businesses multibillion dollar business. was born because all these different products to help you work out at home at the gym in any kind of situation. The same thing happened with cardio, so we had everything from boxing stepping step aerobics remember that, but that was John Miller out of Atlanta, we had spinning that came with Johnny g out of Los Angeles and all these different ways of. How do you get that workout and more importantly? How do you get motivated to do it, so I think the big thing that end the thing that I talk about when I get up in front of people is And this, this is interesting, because I I'd like to hear your feedback on this, but I would get up when I would start my talks in the nineties. Let's say nineteen ninety I'd get up go back in the nineties. I was saying this already. I'd say okay, and I shout out to the group. There's a thousand people I. Say okay, so, what's your excuse? And I say. What's your excuse for not taking better care of yourself? What's your excuse for not exercising? What's your excuse for not eating right? And, if you give me an excuse that I've never heard before, I'm going to give you a free book like my new book, and so what I would do is I go around to start listening to people's excuses of. Why was it that we know we're supposed to exercise? You know you're supposed to do some strength training. You know everything you preach on your podcast. People know that there. There's a rhythm to your day in Circadian Cycles, and all this stuff that we're learning wrong way. So what is holding you back and that became Dave. That became fascination because I love human beings. I love the way to understand how they think so I'm not just. Up here preaching okay, I want to do twenty push ups squats to jump Jacks. It's like that's that that could be an exercise for the, but let's say you don't want to do it because you have incontinence and you have leakage if you do jumping jacks, let's say that you have a shoulder issue and you can't do a push up. Let's say that you don't like to sweat, or let's just say. I mean I've heard him all. All let's see you've gone to the hairdresser or you know you. You blew out your hair that day, and you don't WanNa get messed up, so you start to get into people's minds of okay. What's preventing you from taking these steps into this new this this this lifestyle, and then I like solving and I really have loved solving along the way into your point. Directing people to have movement pattern that they will love you love today, people. I hate to work out and say okay. Imagine you're in your. Second Grade Claus at Slyke. Ballot goes off recess. You're running outside of the playground. Are you happy. Are you excited about that or do you want to sit in your chair? Longer excited guts. He want to do when you get out there and. Let's go back to that plateful spirit of what turns you on so much that it's fun to do, and that's what I could be. Dancing could be stepping spinning biking hiking whatever I try to help. People find that and that's how the business developed because we had all of these young. People filled. I love it, there's. There's so said for finding something you like. What about time, and it seems like so many people. That I talked with a book I. Have A job I have a commute I have a family I'm trying to go to school or learn some more things I'd like to relax. I. Just don't have time to do an hour of cardio or something every day. Would you say to that excuse? It's funny. I used to be more Used to be a little. More. Positive when I will give the answer to that excuse because I. Get it I I get it. I was an audience once where woman said you know. My mother has Alzheimer's I have to drive to the to the facility. I have four kids I have. A job whatever and you realize that there? There is a lot of time in the day, but at one point we all have to look at our lives and just see how we're living them. If you honestly don't have enough time. To give your you know to take care of yourself and put yourself on your to do list at all. I mean you have this long to do list, and if you can't put yourself on the to do list, then, maybe it's time to evaluate the life a little bit but I, you know that's one way I would answer at the other way as we have so many shortcuts now and it's. It's one of the things I know that you know. I wanted to bring up today at one point, but because I know you into interviewed Dr. Jump Straight Persson on blood flow restriction training. Now I'm involved with. Be Strong and I you. I've been using blood flow restriction training for over two years now and dad is a that is what I knew. You would love it because that is. That shortens your time you got. You can give me ten minutes. I can give you I can get you into a a state where you're you know you're. You're changing your whole body chemistry because it's not just as you know, and you talk about it a lot, but it's not just about firming up or getting the the. Core, a little stronger or the bud, a little higher or the arms little. More buffed. It's all the systemic things that happen when you work out on the cellular level, and those are the things that you know that you don't want to avoid by saying. Don't have enough time, so you do the you know the little hacks that you talk about, but the one of the biggest ones and you're. You've talked about it. I know you've gotten the word out there. It's just gonNA. It's growing across the country, but blood flow restriction training is one quick way that you can shorten your time and then I would say the other against I know you've talked about this so I don't want to be A. Redundant at all, but you know hit training. Just go hard. Go fast, go home. That sort of thing it's like. Don't get into this. You don't need an hour. especially as we age, and this is the one thing I do WanNa. Talk about because. What what's kept me in the game for all these years? Is that I have known when you go hard? And when do you back off and go gentle and do your yoga and your recovery and let Your Body Heal? What the biggest mistake I do! See people, especially the real fit people I mean this there's there's a tip that you can say like after two decades, or whatever an extra two decades I have I've known so many specifically man that jam there'd be pumping that you know chest pressing big weights, whatever not listening to their bodies and. Forty, five fifty mid-fifties at shoulder, replacements and things like the. It's things like that they they haven't balanced the idea of. You can't put that much stress on your joints for ever I mean you can do for short time. You can have fun with it, says not saying don't have fun. It's like find the balance. I really liked that perspective I've seen far too many former bodybuilders in their mid fifties in constant pain, and others who are okay, I'm a traff leads or swimmers or big wave, surfers, and things like that and they kind of beat themselves up. The recovery isn't a masculine thing to do right. You know the Yoga relax recover. Get a massage so. I'm GONNA go push. And eventually it seems like it catches up with you, and that's one of the reasons. That I've started upgrade labs. Here's other recovery tackles recovery takes a long time recovery's boring. Sorry the rest I didn't want to rest I want to get more rest and less time because I actually have stuff I like to do so I'm thinking even that can be hacked. It's funny you. I I have to say I mentioned this earlier by having a daughter who's an Olympic athlete and the Nike the Nike Team was all these medalists. There's twenty of them have came up for altitude training in Park City and the thing that you see is to your point. So, much of their day is on the recovery the the rebuilding. So much of their day is on the recovery. The rebuilding the oh the. Achilles isn't feeling quite right. The energy level Oh the stretching out. Oh, the hamstring says and so two not to be able to bring that down to a period of time were it doesn't take that much time, but you're giving attention is just vital or else again. You just pay the price. You know fifty, and beyond things that I wish someone had told me when I was younger I did the six days a week an hour, and a half a day half cardio with weights on a treadmill and half maxing out all the machines, and all didn't make me lose any weight. but I probably could've used little bit more sleep, and maybe an every other day routine would have been metabolic healthier for me. And when we're talking about accelerated recovery there, and when it comes to putting on muscle or just doing that side of things less time, the blood flow restriction with be strong. I believe in that so much that the intermittent hypotheses is an extension of that sort of thing and for six years now that's been a part of what we're doing. It upgrade labs whole body intermittent hypotheses via two different mechanisms to up regulate this thing called. Hypotheses inducing factor one which blood flow fiction does so everyone who subscribes to my box ended a box of creative stuff. Every quarter subscribers last quarter actually got the be strong bands in the bottom and I. hold one up. Yeah No! Because you know that I know. I knew I knew you did that, so that was exciting, but you know it's just one of these it's in the no, and this goes on my arm and then you have a little. You have this to pump it up. And that little, and it goes right at the top of your arm here and then you pump it up and these barrels fill up in restrict. Modifies restricts the blood flow slightly and to your point which I'll let you continue. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but it It impacts the oxygen. In fact Jim understood was on episode seven Oh, five on bulletproof radio, talking about all the amazing science behind this and I think this is awesome, because you're you've been progressive and always evolving for forty years, and so for you to build, say okay I used to do it this way in the seventies or eighties or nineties and Oh. Look now. We have this thing that lets me restrict the blood flow in. Do the exercises that you want to do, but less time on it and you're completely happy to do that. Instead of falling into that trap where this is how it has to be, and it's always going to be this way, and I find so many people over time they lose the flexibility where they're not willing to reconsider something that they've already quote solved. Even wait. It's not working as well as it did. what allows you to maintain that flexibility or has allowed you to do it for your entire life? Well, you know I've always had this insatiable curiosity I love. I love. Learning I love learning I. Love trying that's why everything you do I'm you know right there? It's like I hear it I. See it I. do it I. Tried I see if it works for me, I see what aspect will work for me. I. See what I'm doing that similar to that but I think it's it's. It's a Buddhist philosophy of Always looking at things with young is fresh is like you've never seen it before and I. Don't know I started studying Buddhism again and And actually became went and Hinduism with with. Parma Honda Yoga Nada at self realization fellowship literally that forty five years ago and that philosophy where you get up and you're very present. You're very right now. You're very much like teach me something as opposed to. Oh I know that I. See people all the time I'll say something. Oh I I'm going to tell them something, or they asked me a question about time, restricted eating, or whatever, and literally the words come out of my mouth, and it's like They have the answer and they know why doesn't work or whatever it might be? They've already decided they've made the decision of. That it's and I think that this idea of. How do you stay open to being coached through the years, but tennis skiing? Whatever I've had coaches. You know you're very coach. -able because it's like. You know. Show me. I'm going to repeat it I'm going to mimic you whether it's dance, tennis or a movement pattern at something. I've been good through the years. Because of I'm boxing. If I'm working with the boxer, like Michael, allonge, who fought for the middle heavyweight champion of the world and I'm working with them I'm there I'm here? It's like elbows in Duku, and you're like you're doing this and use the hip and pretty soon. That relates to touchy. Touchy which relates to you know yoga which relates to Kunda leany which relates to pelvic floors, and they all when you start to see how everything connects, and how all these different disciplines that whatever you're using in that. Yoga class for some people. Oh, Yoga's just stretching. Oh, my Gosh! Forty years of Yoga Yoga is for changing your life and changing the way you think and becoming aware every single body part I of this technique I use this. Technique, we start with your left foot and magic coming up your body and imagined for on a scale from one to five. This is a one no tension. This is like Oh, like completely isometric contraction to now you go up in the morning I do this. Where you start with left foot, you got one, two, three, four, five, five, four, three, two, one right foot, left calf, right calf left thigh, right thigh, gluten, gluten, lower abdat arm, neck neck. Okay, all of it. Release it one muscle group at a time, and just it took me years. Imagine going release here. Release here. I mean releasing this side this side of your neck so anyway that energy station exercise, which is something from a meditation technique that I learned through self realization has I'm called the Korea. ABBAN which is a certain type of Yo- Yoga and And? That's techniques. Now you take that technique and that's just body awareness. It's learning where your body is any in space and time. Where's your body licking listeners right now? Where's your body right now? Because have you fallen into that old person posture old, which is the aging posture or are you doing some? You know you know. Pause posterior activation on your. You know for your post, your chain activation. Are you doing something that pulls your shoulders back every single morning at least four times a day. Another shoe, you just even the little. Still. Doesn't have to be unnatural, but in general when people are sitting. Don't you know, think about sitting atop your SIP bounds and that neutral spine, and then that that back and you know that very natural way that everything, and then including what you talked about on your podcast you know recently with the whole time trick yoga, and that lower pelvic floor and that what you know what everybody thinks when your core you getting your plank in, you're working your core, which is fine, but there's so much down in the lower part of your an internally with Your core muscles that when you start to get that in Yoga, and some your other disciplines, you bring that back to your strength training so now you're in a cross stick class. You're not going down and letting that lower, you know lower part. Just hang out between Your Amos and your but China or your. Painter whatever that it? That is like that's the first thing. It's like lift. Go so anyway. It's all these things that become you know. Interdependent. Did I get off track, sorry. You know I don't think so. You're just incredibly enthusiastically curious and I think that's what's kept doing this. as to whether you know why you're that that curious. That could just be who you are, and how you are, do you? was there something in your childhood? Something that made you just more curious than than the average person because you've you are more curious and you've maintained your level of curiosity for longer than most people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good question. I mean I. Say the only thing that comes to mind I'm trying to think of a couple of a couple of things come to mind, but the one I was raised in the military. And my dad was air force pilot and I bring that up because there are been studies, and there's all kinds of talk about people, military kids, either become depressive at alcoholics, or you know kind of outgoing and And curious and successful type of people and the reason being that every two years you're transferred to another location and you have to. If you're going to succeed if you're going to be in, you know, be able to fit. You have to be able to go up and ask people. You know my name's Cathy. What's your name? And where do you you know? Where do people hang out at the school? And you know what there to do when you have to keep asking questions. If you are going to when you're in seventh grade, you're the newest kid and that seventh grade class and you have no friend in the. The world, and then again in ninth grade, and then again in eleventh grade, but starting from the time you were baby and I. Think I think that you you start to get rewarded for asking questions and I think in a way being curious, so that might be a little bit of it, and then the other side i. think there's just a bit of a adhd type of thing that You, know like I. My my mind I think that's why the meditation exercise is so good because I have a million I have. I mean lot of talk about this. I'm sure other people experiences, but I have lots of thoughts get up in the morning and I got four new products I wanNA create an or not even products, but ideas or people, and that gets my juices flowing, and I free flow I. Let things just. That's where my energy comes from I, don't. I meditate and I try to. I know when I need to calm the mind, but there is just a fun factor for me for just letting it run and finding out what comes up because I. do make some new connections during that time period. So it, it's just it's built in there. You're always creating and I find that there's. A personality type that's like that it's relatively rare. A lot of entrepreneurs to a lot of innovators do it, but they don't become entrepreneurs because they're so innovative that they can run a business or ask for help or something. And then there's certain states that are programmable through Yoga through meditation through neuro feedback through electrical stimulation you turn on creativity, innovation and someone who has forgotten how to do it but I also would hypothesize that for you because you've done such a good job on maintaining your fitness. That, your brains capable of doing that, so you have more knowledge and more wisdom, and you have the energy of a young brain in there like Oh look I have all this new. This knowledge play with which makes it easier to innovate because you've seen so much. And you can take that with whatever's new say. I've seen it. Now Of all of the fitness trends. You've seen over your life. What is the single dumbest one? 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I don't want to just any particular Movement style, but there are certain movement styles are people what happens is people get into a habit of doing the exact same thing, the exact same way, and it was especially when it is like a woman lying on the ground, doing leg lifts lifting your leg up and down thirty times, and then leg circles, and then circle the other way, and it's really it's really small muscles, and now I'm not against working. Working Stabilizing Muscles, and obviously it's all important, but it, but instead of being able to combine that with some functional workout full body. It's just like let's just come here and we're just GONNA, circle or short. We're just to do this and this and this and over and over and that soon, and they're paying money for that, and then they're wondering why they're not getting results, and so it's the idea that. Any anything that that professes to be the only answer I even with my own stuff I do not say this is the only way it's I found. This is the best way the best way for me. I'm trying to find the best way for you, but the only way, and when people really narrow it down to one particular form of exercise, and especially if it's functional, that's even fine, but even if you do weight training with no cardio or Korea with no stretching at one point, it's like okay. Get a balanced approach to this thing, but I'm trying to think of like really Gimmicky I. You know I I've There's just been I because I was on Hsen. I was on QVC I lot of stuff on all of these Home shopping networks and so. It's just mainly the promises it sometimes thing. Isn't that bad like taking Suzanne somers had the the little spring thing that was about this big and you went like this and you know you can make your bus bigger and you put it between your legs, and there was a range of motion about. Three inches squeezed, but the. Loved it, 'cause you got it home, and you put it between your legs, and you squeeze squeeze Boop Boop Boop if you felt it in your inner thigh, it was a small range of motion and it is, it is a Guinness. People Gimmick well. You know if it's one of forty things you're doing, and you're watching TV and you want to throw between your legs. Go forward, but what happens is people. This is going to be your fitness routine. So that's where the Gimme. The promises are the a lot of times just having a small device that might do one thing is fine. I actually have one of those devices I. Think it's the same one. It's like you stick your senior butt cheeks and squeeze it. That's the one. Believe it or not Chinese. Medicine like grandmaster in his seventies, who on along the lines of Montauk Chia, was just on the show was like debut. Should these gimmicky things like I kidding me and it's like pink plastic. It smells like a a cheap sex toy. It's like. Use it outside. I never heard putting it between your cheeks. This is one that it's like curved and it goes all the way up there. I'm GonNa try it like anytime. Like someone who has way more experience than me and has studies for for decades I am not that argument to say that's stupid, I it look stupid. But, I'M GONNA. Try it so. I did it and you know what you do it for like a week and I'm like I could feel differences in I'm just not really republic floor. It's like your lower ass for lack of a better word, but like this is weird, but what it did in the reason that he thought of us for me. It actually straighten my whole posture. Because I spent a lot of time at a desk and I mean you write books for living is was part of very small living, but you I a lot of time on it So you you, you tend to kind of get focused, so it did really change how I walk like my head. Move back like okay. That's kind of cool. WHAT'S THE GIMMICK I? Don't think it's entire fitness routine and you know I. Don't think most people are looking at the little curve on the inside of my but. But okay like. Well. No, that's perfect and I love to hear this. You're working on your shirt because that's the thing I mean it's. That is a big thing that people do not talk enough about and lower back you know Ron Boyd's. How do you get up and do that? Poster chain activation every single day? Like just something as simple as you know bringing your elbows down, and you know pulling them behind you, and just you know getting the the neck and the Chin up and I mean there's much more much more. More advanced things and things you can do on the floor, but literally at your desk every day. Take that break for that and you know to get up and just I know you know this already. Get that seat and get that nitric oxide also just like moving through your system and do something intense I mean I have people when I do speaking engagements, just get him up for two minutes and push, and really like push and the energy, and to your point, the brain function energy the room. After sitting for thirty forty minutes getting up and pushing with a you know Hainanese in and out jumping jacks couple. Push ups so I'm. I'm big in doing that throughout the day and to your point, we started this conversation off with is how do you get You know people that don't have the time. Just break it up. I mean there's the science is over, and over is out there and there's one science research paper after another about. Don't sit all day long. Get those hits throughout the day two minutes. Make him four minutes. Get a ten minute. One and anybody can do it then. It's a it's so cool. It's all very doable if you have the motivation and you have a system to make it a habit. And the habit part has been a big part of the excuse for for me and for a lot of people and my wife Lana said you know I'm going to do this. She read Bj fogs book, and on habit formation a tiny habits, and said I I'm going to try this. And she said every time she's blending. She usually makes like a macho in the morning and every time she's at the blender. blender she does squats so the whole time it's planning. She's doing squats in the kitchen. Which I think is hilarious, but that habit over the course of six months Mike. You could bounce a quarter off of Vermont side, and it wasn't like that before and it. It's funny. It's not that big of a of an investment. Because the time already spent holding the lid on the blender, so there's not all over the ceiling. But the difference of applying it, because it's a habit seems to overcome some of the excuse side of things as well. Do you make you've potty squad? He's right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's the other one just like every time you go to the bathroom. Just give yourself a ten air squats and you know that adds up in the course of the day also. Also discourages you don't go to the bathroom, so you save time. Now. You do some other stuff that is really cutting edge in the world, the biohacking. Is Awesome you're talking about nasal breathing. I've had the Boutique Oh clinic. Guys on I'm. Patrick mccown has been on on the show and I. Sometimes actually tape my mouth shut because what the heck? Why not? Tell me what you do with nasal breathing. Well I started because I had patrick, my podcast, and my my daughter turned me onto them the the athletes and she. started doing it. To increase performance, and so she was telling me about it i. read about it then. I listened to your podcast with Patrick Than I had patrick on him, and so how am I have! A slight very slight had through the years not now, but exercise induced asthma, and it was not medication, time or anything like that, but I would notice that I could. There are certain times where if I would go out for really hard run, and I wouldn't warm up that I would irritate my long so anyway I had that going for me and at the same time I live at altitude, I know there's a lot of benefits of living at altitude. And then, and then there was just idea of of when you hear the science behind it that in a were meant to breathe through our note and. What happens is that we become mouth breeders that changes that either has young kids. It changes the way that our phase are actually comp-, the the makeup and the proportions and your face, but literally it you know it's sleep apnea it snoring and I happen to be dating somebody also who was a big snore and snoring is a big problem for not only the sleeper, but the secondhand snore which you. You know some living with the sleeper is I mean that can be a dealbreaker. Almost in a relationship is because no sleep and I'm not happy puppy, so I started a playing around with it and I started with the bowl test, which is basically you know you inhale maybe a four or five count you exhale, hold it. How many seconds without an gasping for air can you hold it and I noticed that especially at altitude, and wasn't that great and really I mean twenty seconds twenty second hold is considered pretty average. Try to get up to like forty second hold I found I was like the first time was a thirteen seconds where I had to breathe, so I started playing around with it, and basically playing around means and the morning, going through my routine and doing everything, and just literally not anything you know nothing coming through here all through the nose. Then I started exercising I went to my first. I Bike I cycle with a group of cyclists, and I went to my cycling cycling group. And I. What I did this indoor during the winter and what I did is they started noticing everybody. Even the warm up was like this. There breath I. Don't if you can tell or not, but they're brings them out. and An and I'm thinking was just the warm up right now, so I would breathing through my nose. I noticed there was an uncomfortable feeling. Because what you're really trying to do is train yourself. You know oxygen hunger as well you know as well as carbon dioxide, build up and training yourself to deal with that carbon dioxide load, and when you do, it takes about a month for me. It took about a month, but when you do with exercise for instance, go on your hike or you go, whatever and maybe you pull the pace back just a little bit, so that you can stay nasal breathing for the entire time now I can stay a nasal breathing. I just did Are chairlift open over Deer Valley I'm a citizen, Sherlock Dope, and and so I hiked to the top, and so I started about seven thousand to nine thousand feet, and I goes, and it's only really at the end that I use mouth breathing, but I tried to do the whole thing doing nasal breathing. What's happened is just this kind of thing you're talking about the but this energy this invigoration this idea the stamina that you don't gas out in your workout. As soon you've learned tolerate that carbon dioxide load, and you've learned to use oxygen. More efficiently and get more oxygen in your system because. It's the correlation between you have to, you know. The carbon dioxide determines also how much oxygen is going to get into the blood cell into the cells into the bloodstream and into your cells so? Playing around with that balance has just been remarkable, and it really has helped my sleep. It's helped. You know complexion. It's helped energy. It's and mainly as I said when it comes to cardiovascular workouts, I'm not. Fatiguing. Yeah, you know as quickly so it's been. It's been really one of these things that I love playing around with and I. Recommend it to people most people. I talked to about it. They don't quite get the concept of quite understand. Why might be useful or it sounds like? How could you work out and not breathe through your mouth? And this? Cabin and if you're sprinting if you're you're, you're going to have to use your mouth breathing, but most of us don't have to be doing that, and then all of a sudden. When you know, start noticing those you're sitting on a plane. You're sitting anywhere and you see people with their mouths open. An everything like us? And then you think about the immunity side of this and you know Patrick talked about this on your show, but. Nitric Oxide, the biggest reservoir and our body is in our nasal in our nasal cavities, and so when you breathe through your nose, you start to release that that helps you know it's. It's an immunity booster. It's you know great for heart health. There's a lot of reasons, but especially during when you want to keep your immunity strong, there's so many other filters in your nose that help out the that can help prevent certain things from getting into your system as opposed to just dropping that mouth, open and breathing. You know mouth being mouth breather. So I'm I'm observant it now. I've made the same shift I run away when I interviewed. Patrick and then. took a while to really build the practice. Also catch herself mouth breathing sometimes, but even the changing your teeth, and if you just get it done at night. And blew me away. The most was like look. Congestion happens in. You Know I. Get some pretty mean allergies when the pine pollen is so thick up here in British Columbia. It's like a yellow cloud. You can see it from space. Sometimes, there's so much. And during that time breath, your nose doesn't always work, and he says just do it anyway and magically. Your body doesn't want you to die. So you're saying spatulas open up like really well. It turns out. It does work. You just have to be uncomfortable for a little while, and then it happens. I also find. It's tough if I'm like right now. I'm talking a lot and when you talk a lot, it's hard to close your mouth. Okay I'M GONNA say the rest of the things that I was going to say so. If you spend all day on zoom, and you spend all day talking, which for me, eight hours of talking in a day is pretty normal I'll do a couple episodes when interviews me and team meetings and Blah Blah Blah and that doesn't can. It doesn't help with that do. Do you find the same thing when you speak battling. That's that's why you have to. You know, find time for it at other at other times during the day and you're right during the sleep, you start with a now by bought the tape. You buy little tape and but it's not scary. It's tape that you will. It will fall off if you are. Need to really pull your lips apart. It's idea that you start to start to settle into this really Really also peaceful state so. You know there's there's a there's a technique and I know you know the breath of fire technique, but you. That brought the fireworks up. It, you know explosive inhaling exiling through the nose. Like before I WANNA. Relax. It's just like. And then after about a minute to to you know seventy five seconds at that. You know you just lie back, and then you just. You don't even feel like you need to take browse for a while because you have this oxygen, you're just full of this oxygen. And now you just sit there and you go into this very peaceful calming state so the breath breakfast I mean if there's anything if there's any big takeaway from. Like if he wanted to say, what would you sum up? Everything about pro aging and. Everything we've talked about. It's like learning how learning about your breath. Because your breath, you know controls your emotions, it controls. Your health controls so much of like how much how while you're GonNa Sleep? And if you can start to see that, your breath can make you inner feeling like if I'm feeling off one day. I get up. It's like things are off. What could have been what eat the so I go through? checklists wanted I e, but did I drink. What did I do? How much in training because some of my stuff will be Oh overtraining because if I and we haven't mentioned much of this but I think it's worth noting that as you get older you know that Exercise Causes Inflammation, so you WanNa do all the things to minimize that and the one thing is, but if you're an exercise. Junky and I love the feeling you love the high, so you WanNa, do one mountain peak, and then another mountain peak, and then bike ride. Then you wake up the fourth day and you feel like the truck hit you or whatever or you just feel not in the truck. Had you just feel what for me? What it feels like is just. And this is funny. It's like. I WANNA bite somebody's head off. You know it's like I feel there's kind of an anger. They're cranky. Get crankiest like. Damn. Why am I so cranky? I'm like scaring myself right now. That's one I know, and that's what you look. It's like okay now. I need to go into. That breath and they need to look at adrenals I need to look at you. Know Liver. I need to like just settle back a little bit. I need to do something that's going to help. Restore and if I do that, then I don't get sick and I. Don't break down, but if I don't listen to it. That's when I get hit. An I haven't done this in many many many years, but I would. I would get hit with such bad. Long stuff whatever like twenty years ago because I would just push. Learning how to sell my joints important. I'm I'm thinking about your common breath work. The number of incredibly. Many standards deviation, more energetic people than average as they age, who talk about breathing on here is amazing, so you just talked about it. John Gray about Montoc Chia talked about it. Berry mortgage talks about it a stand, groff, and hoping breathing I interviewed when he was in his eighties, same thing breathing, and it even showed up statistically enough across all the interviews unbel- radio that when I wrote Game Changers right analyze what people said made the biggest difference for them. It's typically popped up as something meaningful. So if you're listening to this and you're saying look, I'm thirty years old and I. Think I. Breathe Pretty Well. Thank you very much. Look at people who are two or two and a half or three times as old as you have figured this out over the course of their life, and certainly I know that breathing has been really transformational for me. you just heard it here from Kathy? Smith and If you, just look for those threads you'll realize you should probably probably figure this out and get on top of. It's not that hard. You change a habit so when you go to sleep, you sleep with your mouth closed or when you're breathing when you exercise, you breathe with your mouth closed. Really what's IT GONNA do. To make it really easy for you, you'll have better teeth there. That's great. We'll also. You'll handle you know what this the other thing you'll handle. Stress annual handle if you're running companies if you're wanting to be. Totally successful breathing. That is the biggest thing that I've noticed. You have to practice it when you're not in stressful situations, because then it becomes second nature, and all the sudden you're in. They're having a baby. Went I was having my two babies, the doctor coming. What are you doing exactly and it's different than llamas breathing. It's it's you know when you get into breath. It helps you handle pain when. When I was in a shootout in La is somebody I was my range? Rover and somebody dropped outside the car. Catch cops him. He drops behind my car with an semiautomatic gun, and they're shooting on both sides of the Range Rover, and some bolts are going through, but I'm with my assistant and we're in the range. Rover were like head on the console and My sisters have which we do I said. Breathe and you know it's just like. And then and then it just like because it keeps you very president. Because what are you GonNa do in this situation. You're in a really bad situation happens in business. You know something's going on now if I go I. You go to that place is like start yelling at people? Whatever's if you go into? I. You know how we're GONNA solve. This I used to when I was doing all my video productions and the video productions are expensive like when I started there quarter of a million dollars for each production, so I mean I have ten million dollars in in video productions. You're on the shoes and their long days and you're there sometimes till. Seven in the morning, and it's still two in the morning because it's not done until you get it, it's not like Oh, we're going to go home now. It's like we got it. We got to get this done. And so what happens is that something goes wrong and everybody's got you, did you? Who did it and I remember the director saying I don't care. Who did it. Just get it fixed. And now that's what the breathing does. It's like let's not go into like. How did this happen how to go wrong with like? How do we fix this right now? And more present and I do something on my speeches now. You've probably heard this, but this is really powerful for me I. It's called be l., T., breathing, listening, technique and So being the audience and I'll I'll be on stage in the I'll have audience so just say so. Let's take breath in for account of six months two three four. An exile! Now this time when you take the inhale, inhale up. Listen for sound. And name that sound in your mind. And Excel. We're GONNA. Do it one more time inhale. Find a different sound. And Sale. and. I lied I'M GONNA. Do it one more time. This time on the top of your inhale. Hold your breath. and. See if you can hear your heartbeat. And Excel? So what I do is I do that with the group and I do it like four or five times like that and I just show him. How in the? Matter of thirty seconds to a minute. You pull yourself out of the past. Not you're not thinking about the future you're here and now and when you're here and now and we're just like exchanging energy like we are now. This is where the power comes from, and this is where that mindset, just every single moment of your day of getting here and now and here now and here now, and that's where I just it just brings joy in my life. Because I just is just, there's no. Worrying about didn't happen or oh. My God whoops. What's going to happen? You know it's like right here and that's where I mean I. almost go into an emotional state with that, because that's where I'm really connected with Dave or the audience, or whatever now not wandering anywhere any which way and I just find that when I do that I get a lot more done in the day and I have a lot more time for myself. Wow, that's amazing, the power of breathing. We have. Time for maybe one more question for you and I'm pretty sure that breathing's going to be one of the answers here, but. If someone someone tomorrow, said like Cathy I. Want Your top three fitness recommendations. You've got forty years training people. You've created all sorts of cool stuff out there. You only get to recommend three things for somebody to do. What would you recommend I say consistency is the key to all of this so I just every single day of your life. Your body is meant to move. Find ways to to that. You enjoy doing that and. Gets gets sensual with it. I think people forget about the playful side like you know like you know like just I. Mean it can be I i. Get up in the morning and all. The morning I don Don and I'll start going and like I'm. Done. Bump bump. Up There it's thirty seconds you're. You're tease you. Walk Over I. Put my music on I. Do one like turn. Maybe you know like you were saying about your wife. I squat done three minutes, but it won't my body up. Do I call it exercise? No, I don't call it, but I do call that it's that synovium fluid I remember we have these bodies with all this lubrication and stuff. especially as you age, you gotTa wake. Those guys up I. mean you know you're seeing the top of the same thing you know? GET THOSE HIP smaller than don't forget to. You know okay. That was one consistency. Do something every single day. I mean I would say you know. Strength Training I mean I. I I'm just directing this to women, but obviously it's men also strong women's Day young. That's just my mantra. Strong women stay young without muscle and remember muscles everywhere in your body. So what your pelvic floor! It's your. You know the vaginal wall. It's all up and down. It's you know it's. It's the face I mean people go like Oh. How do I? You know if you don't do things that even create you know the college, and if you're not doing things that create muscle in your body, things, skin starts hanging plus. No more adventures in life, no more adventures in life, because all the sudden. It's like I can't walk. The camino that I did this year I went to burning man this year and I. Know A and it was a fun, my only my first time and Those adventures are I can hands as ventures because I. my body will tolerate whatever you know if you're not strong then all the sudden by the time you're forty five. It's like I go out with these now. I was rowing with a girlfriend of mine. Forty five years old. We were in Portugal. She we have to take our two to mankind, but they were heavy. She's got her side. She goes to pull it up because Kathy there must be something wrong. I can't lift the side I. Go okay, you take my side. Lifted, up, she couldn't lift the other side because at the age of forty five. This is not an old. Your muscle mass starts decreasing decreasing at the age of thirty, and so if you're not doing things to maintain it, you will not have the lifestyle, so that was strong. Say Young or strong people stay young, and then I. Don't know is enough for needed in other words. Move every day consistency and strength training. Yeah, yeah, consistency sort of move every day, but I think strength training I mean you know. Oh, no, that sounds, too. I mean I. You know it's You're wanting fitness because the thing about staying young, it's like. Steak, keep trying new things to stay curious. Stakes to keep trying new fitness things because there are so many fun things I mean, we mentioned blood flow restriction training to be strong, but there are just if you've never been on a boat, sue ball if you've never used a trx if you've never used, try all these things that each one and if you if you have. If you WANNA spend your money. On something depending where whatever income lovely you are keep. Increasing your at home little Chachi case that we talked about because you don't want to have to go to a gym all the time, because like Kobe might happen, or it's raining outside or you don't feel like. And besides you Wanna be able to do things throughout the day, I also want people to know that. Even if you're living in an apartment in a you know a city I mean I. I've I have written blogs about. How do you build your fitness corner with twenty five dollars? Or Twenty, five, thousand or two, hundred and fifty thousand, so I mean there's there's something for everyone out there. Kathy always a pleasure to speak with you. I prefer doing it in person in salt. Lake I like we normally do, but until this virus stuff gets handled. sounds like it's going to be a remote in view like this one to thank you for continuing to do your work. I'm still just having a hard time believing that you're sixty nine I think you're probably forty nine and you just change the birth certificate, so you could claim this. Keep doing whatever you're doing. your energy levels are amazing. You look amazing and I always learn stuff when I. Talk With You, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, my hero. Your website Kathy Smith Dot Com. You're super well. Known people wouldn't have a hard time finding you at all and thanks for taking an hour of your time to share your knowledge with a whole lot of people. I appreciate I appreciate you. Thank you, everybody, thank you. Bulletproof radio was created this hosted by Dave Aspirin. 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Transforming Your Marketing Leadership With Anna Crowe

Digital Conversations with Billy Bateman

25:39 min | 5 months ago

Transforming Your Marketing Leadership With Anna Crowe

"You're listening to digital conversations with Billy Bateman where we discuss using box to improve your marketing and sales. All right everyone. Welcome to the show today today I have the pleasure of being joined by Anna Crowe Anna how are you today and great? How are you? Billie? I'm doing good. I'm doing good I'm looking forward to this conversation. But before we before we get into it. We just introduce yourself to everyone and tell us a little bit about how you got where you are today. Sure. So my name's Anna Crowe, and first of all, thank you so much for having me on the podcast today always love connecting with like minded professionals and leaders. And I run a National Public Relations and Marketing Agency. I've had for about five and a half years. I also am on the Board of the Entrepreneurs Organization on on the and the peers network, and I also run a female focused organization called. A change maker chats which is focused on creating genuine connections with female leaders in the community. And led last year I put out my book titled Get Real which is now the Soundtrack of of my professional life in addition to my agency I, just speaking on the topic as well as some coaching, the topic of authenticity. Awesome. Awesome. So can you tell us a little bit about your journey to get to to start in your own agency? How did I get to? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your journey. Sure. I I was in house most of my life. So actually started. In public accounting. So I. have. A very nontraditional PR background. I was in New York and I worked in the World Financial Center, which is at the time connected to the World Trade Center in Manhattan and I was an auditor for Deloitte. And I started my professional career I transitioned into some in-house rans an worked for the world's largest 'cause medics company as a financial analyst moved into marketing analyst role after I realized, how much I love brands and storytelling and just a creative side of the business and from the non decided to pursue my Mba in marketing and got some jobs with some pretty big firms and companies in La and San Diego in that space, and then after a few years, I, decided to see what the agency live holds. So I went to work for a small boot for boutique firm. Pr Firm in San Diego, and after three years I have decided to start my own with a couple of minor detours here, and they're just trying to figure out what, who, why, all the good things about my agents the vision that I had for. Awesome. And what is the what is the vision for for crow pr like WHO's your ideal client and what you guys do for him? You know, I, really thought a lot about this when I first started and now it's very natural to me. I would like I am and my team and I are building the best mid size jar marketing agency. So what that means is we really WanNa make sure that are offering as the the most relevant in the Marquette obviously, technology changes all the time consumer preferences change all the time as by behavior, right? We want to make sure that we are doing the not just the traditional pieces that continue to work really well, but Austin or creating some of the new tools. That really move the dial for our clients were very much focused on our why given my financial background really numbers, right. So that was the corvette, but in addition to creating service based and customer. Focus Agency. We really want to make sure that our culture and our work experience for our leaders and employees is top notch. I've had the privilege of working for so many amazing companies throughout my career, and so I was able to take that experience and pick up the things know cherry picks I really love this. This deal's authentic. This feels rewarding. I want implement those pieces into the culture and then as we hire people, we obviously want to make sure that when fused their strengths into the organization and and have a very collaborative company that represents our greatest asset, which is our people. Great. Now, I wanted to gain on one thing you mentioned there focusing on Roi for clients With Pr I. Mean I always feel like it's Kinda like you send these things out into the world and you hope people pay attention and assigned for us. It's hard to measure like our return on investment for PR power you guys measuring PR Roi for clients. It's a great question because it's something we educate our customers on. Especially those who may have never done it or haven't done jar successfully. The end of the day, we would take a very holistic marketing approach, right? So we try to understand. Is Our client or what does the customer really tried to achieve? Are they trying to gain more market share? Are they trying to open any market or launch new products or? Change the industry or create a new category and industry. What is what are those business goals that they have? A creative public relations campaign around that, and so with us, it's obviously media relations something bad is part of what do right? It's a working with reporters. Bloggers, producers, everybody to communicate and. Story for our clients, what is their brand voice? How do we communicate a one of the cool things that they're doing but in addition to that, we put a lot of other levers. So social media campaign would be something that falls under our umbrella. Now, that didn't five years ago, but now it does how were we telling that story online? How are we engaging with our clients? Customers influence a marketing is another piece of the puzzle and actually throughout covid brands have leaned uninfluenced your quite a bit as the world is completely shifted and changed in certain. Media Sadly, close. I Apologize The future dog in the background either working from home fails as usual and. And then other pieces in crisis communications. So reputation management. US cowdery measure that success well is the company's still around after massive crisis after he tweeted something inappropriately or after the product that they launched bombed right there. There are things that we do that may not be the immediate The media results although there are those as well, but we really focus on building brands. We make sure that they're relevant. We credibility we build trust and we generate sales and we wish show sales over and over again, based on our efforts is just Slightly more comprehensive and strategic and pain versus other pieces of marketing. Awesome. Appreciate that Okay. So let's before we get into our topic, which is I, really want to dive into some of the things from your book. I always ask everybody this question So you're not GonNa, you're GONNA be able to dodge it. But if we're GONNA look up on social media and try to figure out who you are, what something that we wouldn't be able to figure out about you by looking at your instagram or linked in or twitter. It's a great question I. have of our timing. ECOWAS. I really tried to live my most genuine and authentic live in I. WanNa make sure that I communicate who I am and what I do not for the sake of communicating but religious sharing. and. So. So there's not much out there that. Is duper private. I have a lot of different interests which I share on social media in I'm really passionate about leadership I'm really passionate about my family and travel and things the only thing would be maybe all the different types of music I listen to me just not that you may not think that I'm really into that would be the only thing that comes to my. Question. What kind of music would probably not think that you're into the? I'm I'm really into the various Latin music. Spanish MUSICA. All sorts of different ones cool. Believe I lived in Spain agreements life but that's For another conversation. Well Awesome. Awesome. Okay. So let's let's dive into dive into our main topic here. So I really WanNa talk about some of the things for your book about creating a transparent culture in genuine leadership So the first one is just you know if you're trying to create a transparent culture in your company, your organization what are your top three tips that people should be working on? The first one is really Understanding what type of a leader you are? So what is your authentic leadership style and that starts with self awareness and then secondarily the biggest piece of it is creating trust in the. So that's trust not just between when the team but between. The company and there's nothing their reports and managers and all these people, and then I would say once you have trust and once you understand believe that you are you're able to communicate clearly and consistently it's really about encouraging open conversations and even challenging your team to go past the comfortable get I say this a lot. Let's get comfortable being uncomfortable. Months as it is never been comparable right now and certainly in the world. I. As humans many people don't want to be confronted or give feedback or get feedback or just feel like they're going to have an uncomfortable conversation. But if we keep things very surface level were never going to have that level of transparency which can actually move mountains. Yeah Yeah I. Think I think that is key to figure out what kind of leader you are and then and push people past It's it's not fun but that's where the growth is. So. With being that genuine leader what do you think it takes like what does it take to be a genuine leader? It really starts with software awareness. Think, we have to be introspective as leader. And now. What what what our vision what's her mission? What motivates us? What's inspires us what sucks the energy out of the room for us what gets us out of bed in the morning? How do we want to communicate people and then also having a sense of how are we coming off to other people? So it really having that. Dating time and having that. Perspective on yourself is really really important and a lot of people don't realize where they might be hindering their teams. They might see their strengths and they might know some of their weaknesses sometimes we see. Things are as strengths that really our weaknesses for others. I read an awesome book about the my good friend Kathy Smith recommended who is consults with a jar and training and leadership, and as called multipliers I'm not sure if you've read it but. It talks a lot about. How to use the the strength that you have, but also how leaders can be diminished Shire's instead of. influencers, right. So how might be thinking hey, we're doing this person a favor by taking care of their workload. In fact, we might be taken away from a project from them that maybe stretch opportunity for them. So just having that awareness and and. Acting on it I think it's really important. Yeah and so WANNA, dig in a little bit on you. You hit on like, Hey, we gotta be self aware. As leaders What can we do like? I mean I think it's something that comes with time myself and experienced but is there anything if you're like, okay, I don't really know what kind of leader I am I want to be a leader and I'm maybe put into a leadership position. What can I do to figure out what kind of leader I am? Should mention that I'm working on some worksheets right now. but I think it goes back to. Really listening to yourself. So maybe take out a piece of Abra and there's plenty of exercises right? I mean there's an exercise through. S Training Model, which is the elevator delegating an exercise, which helps you understand what you're really good at and you love doing what you're really good at you like doing what you are going to. You don't like doing et Cetera and that gives it a little sense of what you bring to the table and what you dislike. Some people love having conversations with their stuff. Others really don't WanNa do that but that doesn't make them a bad leader. They might be focused on other thing. So you asking question what inspires me what motivates me, what's meant purpose? What am I? Strange? Open ended. I'm good at I'm great at Cetera right and then secondarily well, part of that really is understanding your core values. What do you trashed her? The things that are important to you. For instance, one of my main core values is authenticity right which is why the book is called get real. What the core values of our organization Another one in my core values has positively. I'm not a crazy optimists. I'm also a realist, but I always try to look at things for on the bright side of things and silver linings doesn't mean I'm always everything's growing and everything's perfect but you but. That's an important piece of me. So if I am in an environment, that's a negative environment and say, I'm a leader in that environment that's going to be really tough for me. So I need to figure out of going GONNA try to change US environment or am I going to need to move on from this environment and other people are gonNA be part of. That environment and contribute to right. So I think writing down your core values is really key and finding a place where those guys align. So what's your company great if it's not okay can I change my department to be more in line and so that we team are lined on those values. There's a lot of things you can do. It starts with just understanding. Yeah no I. I couldn't agree more like it takes some time but doing those exercises when you mentioned you know. Positively when we look to hire people. If, you don't have a positive attitude It's probably not going to be a fit because as we want people that we don't want people who are delusional that everything's great also time but you gotTa have that attitude that, hey, whatever's going to happen like we can figure this out and we can make happen. Frank Yeah the more. People put. Roadblocks and saying, wow, this will never work or that's not a good way of looking at it. The more we have that negative mindset. The more. We prevent the ultimate success of the team and the organization though I'm with you there we we interviewed a candidate once who You know when we asked her at why she thought her last campaign was successful Her answer was because she's a pessimist. Maybe senior road is on the website. Maybe. Not The best. Way To answer that question even though it may have been truthful. city for sheep that however. Yes. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. So another thing I wanted to ask you about his you know a lot of companies talk about we're we're very transparent company. We've got this transparent culture. You can ask anything we can will show you anything not always the case in their different levels to that But if a company you know maybe hasn't had much of a transparent culture. Every leadership holds things tight to the vest. You and they decide you know what we are going to open this up, and we we're going to share more with with the whole team What, what can they do? What are the challenges that US you see they're going to face and how can they overcome that? Young it's a great question because. I've seen companies turn. Around. It you can change your culture through communication and culture is be changed. You have to have medication, and of course, the right people who are willing and want that change is going to be very tough to change a culture meka transparent. If you've got five leaders, the top who are one hundred percent against it. But if you need that aligned, you need people to get on board, but once you get that. I think it starts creating trust. So how do we get maple people to trust one another? The reason you don't have a transparent culture is because people don't want to get in trouble for what they say or what they don't they are. They don't WanNa. Be reprimanded there frayed want to be judged. There's so many reasons not share. Information, and so creating a safe space. A place of trust is important and how we do that there's there's many ways to do that and it takes time but being consistent right doing what you do doing saying what you do that's a great way to do it. Being accountable beating reliable being human to some level right? Having some emotional intelligence and leading that way. So it's very easy to treat every single person in the same way. But every single person comes from a different background has a different vantage point and has different needs right Especially now, we're seeing more and more of that. You think about different employees across the country some are living in an apartment by themselves. They have been from six months. Others are with the whole family including parents and kids and everybody has different scenario. So I think really understanding, listening, being human being attic also showing that you don't have all the answers. there. Leaders we don't know everything actually far from. Right. But it's okay. It's okay to show that. I haven't answered that, but we'll figure it out because we have the mindset with figuring it out another one of my value sprints this is having a growth mindset right and so if we're GONNA. Come across the problem we're going to able to learn and grow from it and it's OK TSA not? No No. One's GonNa, fault. You a transparent culture. Tell me when you dog know but also offer solution how we're going to figure it out so that we can work together and grow and stretch and get there. Yeah no two things you said I really at least with me resonate one is everybody it's easy to treat everyone the same. That's not always the best solution we were actually in our in our company lunch yesterday watching a clip from Jaakko and I don't remember his last name, but he wrote the extreme. Extreme leadership extreme ownership book and he was talking about when you lead people, it's like being a carpenter and every you know you have your tools but they're like the pieces of wood that you're gonNA work within every type of wood is different and every piece of wood is different. You've gotta get to know it and treat it. Differently to get the most out of it and I think I think that's true. But I mean honest and transparent knowing you gotta handle people differently and and then you know what you're saying is being transparent is more than throwing the KPI's up on the TV screen you know so I read one everyone can see you know, hey, here's the pipeline. Here's the churn rate. Here's a maybe the burn. If you're if you're in a BBC on had company that hasn't gotten the profitability yet. You know. It's really the attitudes of the leadership and and owning that hey, sometimes, you don't have the answers, but if you don't like try to find one so. Awesome awesome. Well, thank you and I WOULD BE REMISS IF I didn't ask this question before I. Let you go. If you know like Hey I'm I'm on a marketing team and we haven't had a PR strategy Really that's defined yet but we've decided hey, we need to where would you suggest somebody start 'em? Mall. Company just getting going and they've decided we are GonNa Start doing press releases or some type of of deliberate P. R.. Where would you point them? Well, I think you've gotTA. Go to the experts. And really understand who you would want a partner on this. You, don't always have to. Sign on with a big agency and and showed a lot of money. You can go jogging midsize. You can maybe utilize a freelancer if needed depending on what your goals are in your budget is, but I think it's important to talk to people who know and understand the industry and also the media space as well as the different marketing tools and tactics that are out there because issuing a press, this grade and that Kellyanne and probably is part of your strategy, but you can also save some money and do things a little bit differently based on your budget so. I'm not I'm not against it. By any means I just think you have to talk to somebody and lay out a plan and before you do that, I would also ask yourself as a brand. What's your story? Do you have a story to tell in? What is it? What are the values? What's the value proposition you're putting out there and? and. So what who cares? That's kind of plus what we joke around with right a lot of companies will come to. Where we could definitely be on the cover of fortune because which just launched like this amazing widget and the world's about to blow up because of this wedge, it is going to be fantastic and and understandably. So because this is what they've been working on for the last decade maybe or. And this is their life, but they're not aware of everything else that's happening out there right and so. Understanding of the message down do I sound exactly like the guys next door who are doing something similar to break out and have my own unique story and value proposition and how do I connect authentically with my customers? Perhaps it is a matter of starting on social media and creating a really clean page and presence and creating some really strong content. Do I have the capabilities in house to do that or do I need to hire somebody or Germany to outsource it because he also don't want to just do something just to throw it up there you've got have a strategy as you know just posting on social without a strategy is going to be haphazard, right? And so. Maybe. That's the place to start. Also, maybe help them craft your message and look at your website. Take a poll you know, hey, do you have any? Do you understand? We're doing it? We work with a client a couple years back. I must have read their website five times to figure out what they did. And You know the buck for a second. What do you do? And and then let's three position that let's rewrite that. Let's make interesting and then for talking medium and who is the media who the report bears that can communicate the message and share with with the correct audiences are putting not strategy in place. Awesome, that that is great I've I've been there where I've reread my own website, a couple of times and not known what I do. So yes. I second that for sure Okay. Anna if anyone wants to get a hold of you and continue the conversation, what's the best way for them to reach out? Our. username on across all channels at Crow PR DOT COM. Sorry at Croquet are so C. R. O. W., E. P. R., and happy to connect Tumbling Din Anna Crowe and. Follow instagram Lynton Twitter facebook all all the things TIKTOK now to off the press. Channel. CUTTING EDGE Very cutting edge. Okay well, thank you so much Anna and We'll chat later. Awesome. Thanks for having. Like. Thanks for listening to rate review and subscribe and from past episodes, good chat funnels, dot com slash podcast.

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Knives Out (2019)

Pop Culturing

52:56 min | 10 months ago

Knives Out (2019)

"Gold Dot com back to another episode of Pop culturing. Kathy what his pop culturing. Pop Culturing is a gen-x take on movies and TV shows and we kinda go in these waves. Where I we were just doing all sorts of different movies and TV shows and then we got really focused on eighties movies. See like say anything and Saint almost fire and pretty in pink etc. And then lately we've been doing more. Recent movies like did avengers two thousand twelve. Which is that recent. I guess but it wasn't the eighty s and today to doing a recent movie as well we watching the theater and I'm GonNa play forty seconds from the trailer just to kind of remind people what it was all about ladies and gentlemen. I would like to request that you all stay until the investigation is completed. What we ask. Why has something changed? No it hasn't changed or no. We can't ask one of his work. Is that what you're suggesting twisting enough into one another up your ass shit. You SMILE ALL RIGHT. Here we go. That's enough my favorite part right there. We met it's play that part again. So let me first start of why I wanted to do this movie. You just said let me start of why. Let me start to explain why one is because we watched it last night right and we are tending to instead of like had this grand plan of. Hey this'll be a good pop culture episode where like we talking about the movies after we watch him anyways so we might as well just do about culturing but having said that It was a movie that's hard. I don't watch mystery. Like how many mysteries have you seen in the last year? I think that's part of the point. There's not a lot of good mysteries out there right. Like when's the last time seen an Agatha Christie movie? Exactly like they're just not that a readily available. Any Lake mystery for the sake of mystery movies that I've seen in the last twenty years. Well talk about Gen-x perspective if you remember from the eighties do you remember death trap. No I remember like the movie. Pick the movie poster. But I don't think I saw it. Yeah I Christopher Reeve was read so Senate but there. There was a time clue now. I don't think I saw that either. But that would be another obvious one right and then they redid murder on the Orient Express fairly recently. But it's again anybody who's seen that before already knows what's going to happen. I think the thing about knives out is that it was an original break. Exactly Yeah it. Just kind of came out of nowhere. The director is a guy named Ryan Johnson who wrote and directed this film cracked. He also wrote and directed the last. Jedi. Yes so interesting leap. Well He had kind of a history of good movies. His they talk about his movie brick and looper and he had kind of this. He had a like a tight relationship. With what is his name. Joseph Gordon Levitt is that his name anyway. He was in all of his movies. Because those movies I remember like were critically acclaimed. They weren't necessarily making a lot of money but they people liked the way they were shot and then he did the last Jedi and that was really. I don't know if it was split down the middle but some people could not stand that movie and let me say that again. Some people could not stand the take. They may have enjoyed going to see it but they didn't like the way he took thing that I liked. That's one we're Lucas on the net crazy place the whole time And then he shows up at the end as kind of a ghost. Well it's the second one it's the one in the mid second to last one. He's not a ghost. He's alive on the island what happens. I think it's in the third one rate. Are we missing them out? I think we're getting confused okay. So yet 2017 when the last Jedi came out and this last Guy Walker one right so you and the last. So the so the last star wars movie in the Trilogy J.J. Abrams came back a bit so I I liked. I liked this movie obviously a lot. I also like last year. I don't put it this way. People who like the last Jedi. This was just another Great Ryan Johnson movie for people who were upset about that movie. This was maybe a redemption for Ryan Johnson. And so he did that. And then another reason why this movie and then kind of want to hear your two cents is that it was kind of tense. Stressful kind of a thriller. Definitely a mystery but funny really funny. Yeah we laugh comedy funny it was just. I don't know if we were supposed to laugh. I don't there's no jokes well. Let's put it that way. I have heard comedian. Say I'm not a comedian myself but I have heard the best comedian. Say That you shouldn't have to like set up. A joke for good humor. Writes that if you're playing the role correctly little explanation is needed because life is funny in itself right and so all of these characters together is what makes things funny and these little kind of moments of interconnection between the characters is what makes things funny and I think to make something funny. You have to have someone in the movie. Who's kind of the straight person? The one that when I say straight person what I mean is the the grounded character. The person that you're like either rooting for or really focusing on intently and it allows the people around that person to kind of play a little more because their characters were more eccentric. Got It so what? Why did you like movie? Well you and I went into C- The first time we saw theater I've seen it. Well let me say this. I've seen it twice and I've listened to at once because last night I was so tired that I just kind of close my eyes and listen to the movie but I did hear most of it again so I've seen it three times when we went to see it in the theater we had heard it was really good. I didn't use Schuyler and I and I knew nothing. I did not read anything or something beautiful about walking into a movie theater not having viewed the trailer. Not Having read any reviews. And that's what we both did with this one and then the other one that we really liked that we spun cleaned slam queen and Slim. Well I it's not true that I hadn't read reviews. I hadn't read a synopsis so I didn't know the story I didn't know but I had heard that people loved it. Got It okay so like there were. There was talk pre Oscar. Talk that it should get nominated for certain things interesting. Yeah and the other reason I liked. This movie is a kind of Lake as older spoiler. Alerts left and right. So if you haven't seen it I don't know why you're listening to this anyways at first and then realize and then come back and listen as a viewer. I'm like okay. I get it. They're going to try to figure out who did all this. And what's her name on a day Armas Please Marta. Marta she kinda like throws it all away and helps that one woman resuscitate herself and she turns herself. And all of a sudden wow. Where's the story going to go right now because the whole buildup has been Marta trying to be elusive? And then she just kind of like reveals everything like and she tells like every part of what she did about two thirds of the way through told ransom what she did she told ransom and then she told Ben Wa Blank Ben Wa Blunt. We're GONNA talk about love that scene when they're in the hospital after Fran goes to the hospital. Sorry you guys were jumping to like basically the end. We'll go through the beginning to but I love that scene because she says okay she's like I'm done people are getting hurt. She's like okay. Here's what happened. And he was like. Yeah we already know and ransom already told somebody you know told everybody or told someone at the police station. And she's like so you know about Blah Blah Blah. He's like yeah like he's not he already knows he never but do we know that he already knew that before that was revealed. It's interesting because he knew she had something to do with it. Because he sorry again spoiler. I hope everybody's seen it. He saw her shoe the very beginning. So there is a moment so for those of you who've seen at once go back and watch it again. Where the he hasn't interviewed her yet. He calls her he. He's smoking a cigar out on like the screen porch and he calls her out there and he starts talking to her about how he hears that she throws up. If she's going to lie and in that moment he looks at her shoe. Looks up and looks back at her show. Now if you haven't Djing it for the first time you're never gonNA notice but if you re watch it you see all of a sudden. Wow He deliberately kneeled down and saw and as a viewer. You don't know that until the end of the movie tract which is Kinda cool and that is like one tiny Easter egg of dozens. That are in this movie right. There's everything in this movie. The reason why the screenplay was so amazing is because there's things that someone who has watched at ten times we'll be like look how cool that is or look how the backdrop is or. There's so much of a focus on detail that you know again. I've heard people who are in production and screenwriting say that the detail that you may never notice adds to the realism. You experience with the characters. So you may not notice that all of the stained glass windows have skeletons. But there's a subconscious part of you. That does that allows you to be more invested. When I would say yes and you can watch us a third or fourth time and experience it differently. Correct which tells me that. It's a really good movie correct and there's other good movies that I love but you see at once and that's all you need whereas this is one that you truly can get something out of if you're really paying attention to a lot of and I think that's the genius of the movie is I don't think even if you're like yeah. I kind of like knives out. I'd give it a B. You know whatever go back and watch it again just for the those fun part go back and notice what the dogs do with everybody. Go back and notice grandma who I love. She's aware she's Hilarious Go back in notice like one thing that todd I didn't know is that Ben Wa Block when they're being interviewed by the police officer and he hits the piano key. I the first time I watched it. I just thought he was being annoying. That's what I thought. And you find out that he does that to get the police officer back on track and to have him. Ask them what time. Every time he hits that you'll notice on the second watching if you know that the next question from the detectives are about the time stamp of the up that purse. What happened when you came when you laugh. Yeah and so these things where you know because the first time I watched it the piano the Ding was just a funny aspect of his carrier. Because finally I think it's Tony collects character. What's her name Joni Janis like excuse me. Who are you like? It's kind of a funny. Nobody has said anything about him yet. And it's a funny way of introducing a character and he's great so the other thing I wanna say. Then maybe we'll get into the characters. Don't play a clip Believe I'm not comparing this to Shawshank redemption but the ending is really satisfying. Oh good I remember. We talked when we did Shawshank on pop culture and the reason that that movies who good. There's most movies end well right with a good ending. You know they. The hero wins but most movies do not earn the ending. And what Tim Robbins? Says about Shawshank is great. Endings are fine as long as it's earned and I feel like that happen exactly with this movie as well. It's interesting because I think that if I were to guess why you feel that way is because Marta is the protagonist than the antagonise than. She's lying than she's telling the truth then. She's willing to sacrifice herself. She goes through all the range. She doesn't get off easy and she is vulnerable enough that then. You're rooting for her. But there's certain parts you're not like there's certain times where I was the first time I watched it. I wasn't sure what I felt about her. Or how I felt about the family not getting the money and even at the end though tied even though I agree that it's satisfying you. Don't know what she's GonNa do. You think you know what she's GonNa do right. What do you think she's going to do with all that money? Actually I don't know we should talk about that. Well talk about it. What do you think she's going to do? I think she's a kind hearted person so I think that she's going to give something to some of those family members and she's also going to keep most of it for herself and her mom and all that but she's not going to like tell all of them to screw off. She says at a certain point after or maybe twice. I have to help them like I do. Not think she will not give the money but when she's drinking coffee. Mug FROM THE BALCONY. She kind of has this look like f you all. I'm I win see an I didn't feel it that way at all interesting. I felt like she was. It was a distinction in who had power she was above. They were below. Which is the inverse events in the hole in the movie the whole time? They're like Marta. We're going to take care of you. And they were totally lying to her. Because the You know one thing that they never really completely resolve. Is that each of the siblings. Say to her. I thought you should have been at the funeral but I got outvoted. They also screw up on what country. She's from Ecuador Paraguay Uruguay Paraguay Ecuador and one other. So just those things those two things and that's just the smallest amount I mean. There's so many things that define their characters but they don't really care about Marta. No they just want her to really have a dislike for almost everybody in the family right. Is there anybody in the family that you like? Well or that we're mentally. I think meg has some moments. And then she kind of blows it when she tells the rest of the family young award about Martinuzzi Uh-huh because she does care about Martin seems to be your friend but then she is afraid enough about her own schooling or money that she tells the rest of the family that her mother Martinez Mothers Document which is great and so. It's kind of a two part question because if I really knew these people do I think any of them are great. No and I also think that they had been taking advantage of Harlan. Their whole lives that they had basically just allowed him to do the work and they had taken advantage of him but character wise. Like if I'm looking at it as a movie I really loved watching Joni. I really loved watching Linda. Who is Jamie Lee? Curtis I really loved Don Johnson's character so I guess he's Richard. He's Linda's husband like not because they were good people because I enjoyed watching them but like even Linda. Who's Jamie Lee Curtis? She's the first one that they interview. She talks about how she is self made how she different than her siblings. She's the one who started her own business from bottom to the top. And there's at some point in the movie and I can't remember but where whatever siblings is like. Yeah with the million dollars. Dad gave you to start at like I think. They don't even have an understanding of their own privilege and that's demonstrated to me most clearly in the scene where they're talking by the fire and they're talking about politics and it well. I don't WANNA go too far. But just the way that they're talking about other people and about they need to respect the law and who they think they are and it's such a reflection of their own character of their lack of empathy their lack of understanding of other people's need and now they are in need. Yes and they want Marta to give to the right all of a sudden. The tables turn very quick correct. And we're GONNA play that scene in a second but before we do that I'm going to play one sound effect and you tell me that reminds. You saw snoring during the movie close. What about when we watch this movie originally the theater so todd time sky there and I went to see this as I said and at some point. I don't know when but todd fell asleep. I now know because I re watched it last night. You purchase you fall asleep. I fell asleep for like two or three minutes. I was out for a good fifteen to twenty minutes. And it's from like minute fifteen to about minute. Twenty eight or something like that okay. And it's basically when the whole movie is being set up the essence so I woke up and I was trying to kind of like catch myself up and the story realizing that. I'm going to be miserable for the next hour. Let's say no what happened. And it's the part where he slits his throat. Like I missed that and the medicine and the medication and all that I didn't even know about I had no idea so I did the most annoying thing in the world which was a leaned over and I said what did I just miss and I think Schuyler and I did like a total movie moment as if we were characters movie. We both looked at him at the same time. And then just look back did. Catch me up a little. What did I say if you said she screwed up the medicine and he slit his throat to protect her? Okay well that was a pretty good synopsis because otherwise I would have been lost. You get to see a lot of the detail you get to see their relationship. What good friends? They were the fact that she was not. She did not want to do the plan the fact that she was willing to call nine one one as you know what is his name again. Blunk always said Wa Blah Blah blog. What he always says. Marta is you are a good hearted person and partly due in part of the way during the movie. You're like is he being. Is he trying to bait mode manipulated manipulate her but really that is really who she is? She's a good hearted person and she can't even lie or else she throws up which is a funny. That's what's funny about this movie because everybody's got these little character you know. They're just kind of fun to watch like what an interesting take. You know the person who's trying to hide everything you know that her tell. Is she going up so like when she's telling the story initially to Ben Wa Block? He Harlan told her You need to tell it. But don't lie while you're telling like even when she's talking about giving them the medicine she said sense. He hurt his shoulder. I had been giving him Blah Blah Blah. So she didn't talk specifically about that night. She set it up in a very specific gray where she wasn't going to Barf crack so the last thing before we play the one clip after the will is read which is kind of a funny one because it's all family members are going nuts because they realize they might be broke all of a sudden The CAST is quite extensive. And really good Daniel Craig I have to Kinda like admit something here via a piece of myself. I have never seen a single movie with Daniel. Craig James Bond Movies. Have you ever seen a James Bond? I have nothing against James Bond Movies and I'm sure they're really good but it's not my type genre. Maybe we should watch sky fall. Have you ever seen hit? What have you seen Daniel Craig? It nothing right but I just see him everywhere right. That's the thing is like I for people so I just have a soft spot for James Bond and I feel like I see all the movies but I don't anymore. I think I went through Timothy Dalton and then I was done so who's been since Timothy Dalton Pierce Brosnan. He was probably before. And then Daniel Craig so anyway. You know 'cause my dad used to watch movies so no but I feel like I know him Chris Evans Captain America. Yes on a day. Who either. Apparently the girls know who she is but I thought she was great. She somewhat new to the scene. I've never seen her Ben Affleck's new girl really curtis who we although Michael Shannon is kind of like that guy like that guy. I've seen him in a bunch of stuff that I can't tell you what he's been nominated for Academy Awards he kind of Kind of always plays ribic crazy guys or Avila nominated for two Oscars. I'll be darned so. Sometimes people get to these two names confused Michael Shannon and Michael Sheen Or she and the guy that we love in thirty rock. You know Wesley Snipes that guy. I know who you're talking about. But he's a good actor too but he's more of a comedic actor he was nominated in two thousand seventeen for something called nocturnal animal. Yes and he was also nominated in two thousand nine for Revolutionary Road. Yeah he was the do you remember. Revolutionary Road is that with Ideo and Leo and Kate Kate a tough watch. I'm trying to remember who his character was. You and I saw it anyway. So Michael Sheehan is who I said. Yes okay Michael Shannon. Thank you As I'm going through the stand Johnson Don Johnson Sonny Crockett himself. Tony collapsed. Gosh Christopher plummer like how many these are big name pulling out. Any sound of music quotes last night while we were watching drake would think about Christopher plummer's career I don't know him from Santa Music and that one movie that sister below beginners beginners and he won an academy award for that. I'll tell you what else he's Christopher plummer's from he's known for beginners the insider. I saw a long time to All the money in the world never heard of that beautiful mind. I saw that. I don't remember that he was in. But whatever it's just the longevity I mean somebody who wants to become an actor or actress like you'd kind of want to be like all right. I think I wanted to at Christopher. Plummer did start when I'm a very young man and then when I'm in my eighties I'm still you know doing this. I'm trying to go back to his older movies just to see if there was anything really significant God. He was in the Girl with a Dragon Tattoo dominated for the last station. Never heard of it. All the money in the world haven't seen that he's old Syria. Ana Remember that movie though as you said a beautiful mind. I'm wow todd his. Imdb is like. I can't even get through it so long right well. He's I think he's almost ninety now. Speaking of age The old his the person you places mom. Her name is Whatever Kate something or other issues by playing his mother in the film she is six years younger than I totally would believes. That just made her look really old okay. So here's the scene where the will is read and realize that they don't have any money anymore. It's just kind of a funny scene so each of this these people and shove it up your ass and get out new cops to out right now. Richard Leney Talk. We need to fight this thing. We're not going out. We are wrong these Goddamn it. This is still our house or is it or is it and then they turned to the lawyer likewise the house at two Dearborn drive and all belongings there in leave tomorrow. Because of did you were you. Were you were your father. Everybody just needs to live. She hears that was that you had sex with me and it's funny. I read a little bit about that line that Kid ad-lib that line and the line was you had sex with my GRANDPA. You dirty anchor-baby. No I needed to Google. What anchor-baby was on your used to refer to a child born to a non-citizen mother country which has birthright citizenship especially when viewed as providing an advantage to family members Blah Blah Blah so? I didn't know that well I shouldn't say and I want to be fair. A very right wing conservative not all Republicans but very right wing uses anchor-baby quite a bit so shannon heard him say that line and they didn't so he said to the director he just had a really interesting line so then they reshot it so they could make her so to interesting things in that scene first of all that the lawyer is Frankas. Yes Yoda Yoda so. Iota is playing the lawyer and obviously because it's Ryan Johnson's movie and he had done the last Jedi. So he had brought. Franken is into this movie. It who's doesn't look anything like you would think he would And we've seen him before but it was just funny I have never been able to pick him out. And the second thing is is what's interesting about. That scene is prior to Harlan dying. Because he did take his own life because he was trying to protect. Marta basically the majority of the family except for Linda had been told that they were not going to be given any more money so they were all pulled. Aside Ransom Joni Basically Linda's husband Richard was told you tell her that you're having an affair or I will So that in itself could be you know out of the well Michael Shannon's character a wall had been told you're no longer in charge my publishing so there was a period of time that night where they didn't think they were going to get any money and then when he died like oh we're safe we're safe and so this is just a double whammy where they're like now we're still not getting and maybe I missed this. What true him too because he created that will week before what what propelled him to change the will he had had all sorts of realizations that you saw in flashback. When he was talking to Marta where he realized he he felt that he had hurt his family by allowing them to allow him to be there crutch now. I think he felt taken advantage of. I think he felt that he hadn't allowed his family to grow up and he martyred basically was a listener. She was not saying yes do that or but she did know that he was planning on cutting them out so I wanNA play the donut hole speech. So we can hear Daniel Craig's accent. It's I think what I I saw it on like. It's kind of annoying accent. And then I fell in love with it very quickly so how we felt about. Joni too is I remember when which was Joni. Joni calling is her first scene. You kinda you hear how she talks. And it's you know it's like kind of inflection. A little bit of vocal fry or you know up talk but then as you get to know her character it's perfect. Yeah like it's so annoying. Did Perfect so this is for me. The funniest part of it is the donut hole speech and I think there's two different speeches. This is the one closer to the okay. I told ransom ransom told you an telling you now. It is a movable fat that I killed Harlan yes he did yes you'll have but I spoke in the car about the whole at the center of this donut on what you in. Holland did that. Fateful night seems at first glance to fill that hole perfectly a donut hole in a donut hole but we must look a little closer and when we do we see the donut hole has a hole in it is not a donut hole but a small donut with its own hole and our not is not hold at all talk crave writing and this is his real voice. Right is one of of these people started turning up Mike. Shannon we go Domico Jamie Antigen Dell Must. Who's just like? The maze will be two different people absolutely but I didn't appreciation for what these actors. Yeah I was just GonNa say that because also you and I've just started watching the Americans just a totally different show. Maybe we'll do something about that eventually but we're still in them want so we've got a long way to go but matthew rise. Who's he's Welsh and he doesn't speak like that at all interesting like his accent is completely different. Just think about any actor. Who is you know? But it's just interesting when you wouldn't there's such a big character for them and that becomes how you identify them and it's not even really close to their voice will. He was modeling his accent for a guy named Shelby foote. Yeah My Dad. Used to have all his books. So this is his voice almost the opposite or the Jews. haven't Holocaust museums and all kinds of things I regret that I think they ought to celebrate that pass through the same way the Jews did about bondage Egypt not ashamed of it. They say it's pretty. Forget about what he's saying right about that content. He did a good job of using his voices inspirational. There's something so I think it lends really well to Who is characterised because I think sometimes the the protagonists that we love and by the way shelby foote. He's an American writer and he wrote the book the Civil War a narrative a three volume history of the civil war. So you can imagine why. My Dad Loves Joan Cassani socially he loved them. So but what I was going to say was that there's something about blank where you kind of think he might be dumb. He's not at all so that kind of voice where it's a little full withdrawal. It's not just about a southern accent. It's like it sounds kind of full I. I don't know how to describe it any better but it kind of makes you think that he might not be super bright but really. He's ahead of everybody and he has like todd. I think all of our favorites in this were him When I think the sequel is him and nobody else I think just take his character and really what you want out of miss the cast captain America and Jamie Lee and Don Johnson captain. America goes to prison now is he. Does he wouldn't have much that ending. Queued up to if you will want to hear that at all but it's not that important. I don't think we'll even the fact. I mean just talking about ransom like that. That's his name. Yeah right will. And it's funny. The one part that I didn't quite connect with is when this is actually the per- maybe I won't play the whole thing but I guess so. What do you have on me? Nothing attempted murder arson for the building and a few other charges with a good lawyer. Which I have. I'll be out in no time. And then you'll see just how much how I can reclaim your life you. That's the one part I didn't like I know it makes the story come to completion. Because now he's going to jail for murder and and how she didn't through throw up until she throws up on them but why he didn't say any of that stuff no and you know it's a little bit like and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you EXAC Husky kids but he. She was able to say that Fran was going to be okay. Which made him feel bold enough yet to admit because he's GonNa Falls in falls in his character does. That's something he would say. And so basically he admitted to it Fran had died so it was gonna be a bigger. I have a ton of Trivia K. But before I do that. Do you want to say anything else? Because we'll be talking about the movie during my Trivia anyways so he talked about his mother being Christopher plummer mother being six years younger than me at least the actress when ransom tells his family at the will reading to eat shit he originally was supposed to tell them. Fu All this was changed to keep the PG thirteen rating make sense but I feel like pg thirteen nowadays are different than pg thirteen when we were younger like pg thirteen now are really much more aggressive. -ality violence about account. So if you have too many of us really. I think there's like a number that you can have in that scene. He basically goes around to everybody and says eat shit and we were laughing last night because we heard Don Johnson say I will not eat one iota of shit which is hilarious ups funding Ryan Johnson contemplated. Cutting blanks donut speech. But Craig convinced him that it was good watching the actor deliver. It sold him on keeping the entire thing. That's hilarious. Isn't that funny because they did that on dirty dancing when the line is nobody puts baby in a corner? Patrick swayze's like there's no way you're GonNa make me say this line it's never gonNa make the cut and that's the line that everybody thinks oh totally Illinois as cheesy bad I know donut. Hole thing is ridiculous. Ed but that's what it that's what makes you remember it. When Ben Watt Blank is first seen by the audience or you talked about that when he the Ding the dinks. We talked about that the name the character Harlan Tho- th- Romley is oddly close impossibly Mayes to the title of Poplar Nineteen Eighties. Choose your own adventure book by Edward Packard entitled. Who Killed Harlow th rummy and we had all those books I had that book we had. I have a loved that book. They came in a box set. And I just the idea of choose your own adventure as you can skip from one page of the book to another and I just thought it was fast on the bottom of that page. If you want Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah go here and if you want Blah Blah Blah and of course you'd read it more than once you'd get both those places of bookstores around well. Interestingly Enough Neil Patrick Harris his memoir he did it as a choose. Your own adventure really. I don't I didn't read. It was interesting. I don't know how he did it. But he that's what he modeled it off at one point Ben while blink references gravity's rainbow the sprawling. One thousand nine hundred seventy three novel. That won the National Award and was nominated for the Pulitzer bit offended the Pulitzer Enviro board because some members found it unreadable turgid. Whatever that word means overwritten and even obscene so Pulitzer was awarded that year since the author refused to turn up in person for the ceremony. Viking press and a comedian to accept the prize in his place and a streaker crossed the stage in the middle of the ceremony Ben. Why is that? Nobody reads the book but he says he likes the title which refers to the Ark of German v. Two V two rockets during the Second World War and the detective compares that to the arc of a murder mystery. So turgid means swollen or congested or bombastic or pompous. And you know we had a friend who loved this book and we had jokes about this book usually get drunk and make fun of him for this but we would all the four of us we would hang out or have drinks and then he would bring it up. That's when you talk about it. That's one for you Jim Town. And then one of my favorite night's the four of us were talking or maybe there was more people. Jim hadn't brought it up yet so we picked up. The book handed it to him like okay. It's time no. I have no idea basically fish basically we were like not talking about it and then you went and picked up the book and opened it and put give us some because he would try to explain it. It made no sense. It's the only part of remember about what he told me he's like it's about how when a bomb drops on a community that the people feel the repercussions the effect of the bomb before it actually lands. I'll like that makes no sense. Oh I know yeah I have not read gravity's rainbow but I just feel like when when Todd and I saw this movie the first time and we brought it up. We looked at each other. Like Oh my God. That's so jim we're thinking of you. Oswal contacted Ryan Johnson after the film opened to ask if the needle drop of Gordon lightfoot sundown at the one minute one hour twenty one minute mark was an in- an intentional reference. Apparently the song is possibly about a Groupie lightfoot head experience with named Kathy Smith who is best known for being the one who gave John Belushi a fatal injection of heroin and cocaine think they call it eyeball That I have all impact and who's brilliant in his thinking in terms of three d chess like. Was that a crazy reference to Marta. I don't even know what that so first of all while I'm talking. Find Sundown so people know what the song is because it's a very famous saw. What is Oh. Yeah you'll know it okay You Know Gordon lightfoot right. Yeah but I wouldn't be able to see has a very memorable voice. He did the Edmund Fitzgerald or is it Edmund Fitzgerald Song About The boat that sinks and he so he used to write about real life thing. Okay so I think this song. Sundown really is about John. Belushi staff real. Yeah I get a never heard his not playing football kids shame now looking at the comments sanity by John Belushi. Well here is. There is something about when what? Pat. Now's well just said is the drop of the record like this song win. Okay so this is what happens. Marta tells ransom the whole story. Okay Okay and then ransom has to rethink because you know. She's giving him new information information and he thought he had framed her and he didn't Echo. She accidentally switched the medication. So he's realizing I have to rethink my plan. And as he's rethinking. That song starts at a specific point interesting. So like the song doesn't start from the beginning. GotTa and you. You may hear a teeny bit in the background but it gets louder so if the song is literally not about but see I I heard it was. I'm going to pull it up. Yeah Sundown John Belushi. It shows up as a it says lightfoot. Okay let me let me tell you this. She later not she. Later had affair with Gordon lightfoot after the affair ended Interesting so she was with him. Let's so the Smith. Lightfoot affair was volatile and illustrated in the lyrics of sundown lightfoot the number one most lucrative song it reflects the dark feelings lightfoot was experiencing at the time So it sounds like it was really more about their relationship. interesting You ready for another one. Yes reading this is interesting. Harlan Throng be who I think is Christopher plummer rate. He's the main guy foreshadows the ending when he mentioned to. Marta that the carefree lifestyle of his grandson ransom makes him unable to tell a prop knife from a real one in the climax ransom attacks with the night that he so there are these kind of like planted Easter eggs. That will help you figure out the ending. If you're really really smart at doing this type and I think if you have seen it for the second time in you already know the ending then you six which you know the first time I saw it. the prop knife. I mean it's great. It's great seeing. They do it in slow motion. I wasn't sure what what happened. But where did he did he take it from? That wall of knives I think is part of the chair was not a chair that a wall wall circular is a chair with people just sat in front of okay because if you notice they at one point in the movie they're sitting to the side of it and eventually their annual. Craig the center of it. Yeah the donut hole. Rapid donut hole. the message. Harlan leaves for Linda in the envelope written with invisible ink which Richard Merely saw as a blank sheet of paper when he found it My heart it's time to cut the deadwood he's cheating on you prove I know you don't see another yourself. It's time dad so that was once again another kind of Easter egg because earlier on Jamie Lee Curtis Character said me and my dad would always play game. We play games. That was one of the Games as it was. Invisible ain't correct and then Don Johnson has a black eye. Yes she hit him yeah she baulked at the epilogue. Linda Linda Thrown thrum thrombosis finally manages to. Oh I this was decrypt decrypt. The message harline left for her Okay so those are my best trivia. I have some level Trivia. I don't know if you want to earn. So who did you say who you like the best besides the blank? Benoit's blank but anybody else anybody that you enjoyed watching. Let's see who did. I like the best ransoms awesome. Because he's such a jerk. Sacha Jerry those chips in the beginning when the wills being Randy's also playing chess pieces and that's another thing he thinks like when you see what he's doing with the Chesapeake says you know chess better than I but he has the king and he's putting it on top of the other ones so that we we saw that let's see two writer director. Ron Johnson named the main characters after musical artists from the Nineteen Seventies. Interesting and Donna are named after Walton. Donna from steely Dan cool. Joni Mitchell her dead husband was named after Neil Young Lastly Linda Richard Our Name for Linda and Richard Thompson. I love that Linden Richard Thompson. I don't know I don't know either. What about meg? Meg Harland is on eighty fifth birthday. This reference to Agatha Christie. Who died at the age of eighty five nights out as a tribute to Christie's writing style? Did you ever read any other Agatha Christie Hamas only like versions of it? That were for kids. Does that make sense? Like I never read like the original murder on the Orient Express but they made them for kids So it says Thompson they were in British folk rock music. So that's who they are. It doesn't say what ban they were in though man. I don't know let's see. How Fun would it be? Todd I mean it's kind of like how his parents were given this huge task of naming our children if you're writing a screenplay or a novel I right but I'm not a novelist a non fiction writer but to come up with people's names there so you know like any movie. Any story has a story behind the name. Like why you chose those names. You have to 'em Charlie my buddy. Yeah always says he's random names come you. Don't throw me in there. Yeah like what's his problem. Why doesn't he well? He probably doesn't want you to be murder? And he doesn't want she'd be killed wilder some protagonist in his stories. Let me be a protagonist. Well can I tell you some an interesting story? 'cause we've talked about this before probably on. Zen parenting sure Is that we have a daughter named Skyler and we got that name from goodwill hunting. Many driver plays you know skyler. Sorry reading at the same time because I have to remember the story. Matt Damon had been dating a girl named Skyler while they were writing this and then she ended up leaving him and is now married to the lead. Singer of METALLICA. God hunting no other well. And that's the thing is i. I was wanting to make sure I can't find it but I just vaguely remember it. I will I will confirm that While we're sitting here. But isn't it interesting? How Matt Damon had a girlfriend? She left him he she ended up with the METALLICA guy. And then we watch that movie and now our daughter's name a Schuyler. Yeah just one of those really Matt. Damon didn't date this woman from Nineteen Ninety Eight. They've got other and on that note off subject. I read an article that someone just had twins yesterday and named them Corona and cove it aired. You told me that I just don't know about that because it's not a great memory knoll and your children will hold that. It's a little strange. Yeah like an wasn't an onion article so sounds like an onion type of last one at least this movie reunited Frank Ogden. Jamie Lee Curtis Do you have any idea what movie they were in together. Let me think let me think Matt. Okay Frank as Jamie Lee Curtis really hard. Okay go ahead trading places. He was at the beginning. I'll talk and we all know. Frank is is. Don't we talk about your friend? I'm not looking for a friend? I'm looking at master. Can't you see you get to him? I love Yoda I wish he was real and he lived with us he would be. He'd have his own room. Yeah I'd I'd let him he can have our room. Yeah whatever. You'RE YODA. You can have whatever you want. You imagine if everyday we're like we're not sure what to do with iota. If he was our friend we'd feed him things like chicken because remember he stole. He stole still free Luke Sue yeah. Didn't he have chicken in there? I guess they don't have chicken and Star Wars. I don't remember seeing any chicken but it looked like a using the container where somebody might put chicken totally. But what if iota lived with us because he has the force Lakewood we have him he would? He would lift up the things that are heavy for me. What accusing but would we? I think life might be easier to a fault with iota living in the house. Well you know what we wouldn't be able to say we didn't know what the right thing was. I sometimes the most difficult thing. There's an animal in that window and I'm looking at sometimes. The most difficult thing is once you know something you know something. You can't pretend you didn't and if you lived with iota he would be like our conscience at all time. Not that not that you and I are avoiding things we know. We're pretty very honest people. But I just feel like he would be like it'd be that extra pressure with you like hanging out and watch TV with us if we were watching star wars type of TV IOTA would walk. He'd Watch Star Trek. Do you think you would watch tiger king with US last week? I think he would have been very against it. You like what are you doing? And you do this. Podcast Zen parenting radio. And now you're doing something entire K. I think he would have advised us against it and I think he would have been like. Let's watch buck Rogers Battle Star GALACTICA. Just picturing like him levitating right like you wouldn't sit on the couch right. He would just be. It'd be cool to baby. Yoda now from. The man delorean. He's the love of teeter. I guess. Yeah Old Yoda old. Iota just walked around. You can do whatever he wants to. He he was he just walked like a person. He had little webbed feet until Tony will put them in the backpack like he would take leads with me. You could do your atomic habits. Yes with him in the backpack on your back I would I would. I would talk to him about things and then you wouldn't. I wouldn't bug you so much about deep things because I'd be like don't worry I'll talk to. I'd say you know what I don't have any tonight. We'll just just hit with this. I just want to watch sports. You'll have an answer for you. We're going back to the Schuyler thing so the role of Schuyler was based on Matt Damon's ex-girlfriend Schuyler sat and Stein or Satin Stein. We met at Harvard and it said before filming began Schuyler left Damon for Metallica Drummer. Lars Ulrich Lars L. A. Beck so. He's the drummer not believe. Samya any takes before. I play the closing song of this movie. Jay Great Closing Song. I would say this. Obviously if you're listening to this whole thing you've seen the movie see it again. Enjoy it because there really a lot of Easter eggs in this movie in their subtle. 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ENTREPRENEUR | #3 Central Park, Halfpipes and Ice Cream

On The Verge

13:08 min | 8 months ago

ENTREPRENEUR | #3 Central Park, Halfpipes and Ice Cream

"Credit Iraq ready to raw ready to rock with another story. That actually isn't a total failure as I've been writing out all the stories of my businesses. I'm like Oh failure. Failure kind of little success. Failure failure failure stupid idiot. What should you that lower? Welcome to on the verge with me. Karen Bradley this Special Series called Entrepreneur was produced by my daughter. Julianna during our months together in quarantine the intention of the short series is to share the full picture of my career starting enclosing businesses including those often left out stories of crash and burn failures in this episode. I move past the burning emperors of Blade Skate well into my next few ventures. I'll share my fun. Adventures partnering with Rollerblade the Pioneer of inline skating. Oh and did I mention that there's ice cream? And sprinkles involved stay tuned? Thanks for listening. So after the crumble of Blade Skate wear. I immediately started teaching rollerblading in Central Park. How did you learned in Lionsgate? Was it just pretty natural after ice skating? Yeah I mean totally so for for skaters have players figure skaters. It is like heaven because you're not confined to Arinc. I mean I had New York City was my rank and I skated every inch in New York City. So rollerblade was just getting started. I started teaching in Central Park and started to meet other inline skaters and I heard that rollerblade. The company was coming to New York to do auditions for their performance. Team team rollerblade. They had a small group in La and they wanted to create a group at a New York and we would represent rollerblade in Really promoting inline skating around the world. I got it I got it. I was one of four female skaters in New York City on team rollerblade. It was pretty cool and you got it because of the cart wheel. Oh my gosh. You remember the cart wheel so we were on Broadway in auditions and we had to do a cartwheel on rollerblades. There were a couple of women that could do a cartwheel and there were a bunch of women cooking myself. Couldn't to everybody went to lunch and I must've done. I don't know two hundred or more cartwheel's until I could nail it and I nailed it so I got the part. I got the part as part of team rollerblade and we started to do hip hop shows on rollerblades. It was kick ass back that I mean we were hot shit. Let me tell you because we were all over New York City on skates doing these shows and then we start to travel and so he traveled around the globe. I went to Japan for a bunch of weeks and we did. Tv shows and trade shows. And then I did a six week tour in Europe all over the place. We skated under the Eiffel. Tower skated everywhere. And we were like these Martians on skates because a lot of people didn't know about inline skating so they would see us fly by and they were like. Oh my God what are they doing? So that's how we created the buzz just by being out in the town on skates. It was really fun. I mean inline. Skating was huge. It was huge for about ten years and at one point in Central Park. I mean there were more people on inline skates and they were on bikes. It was so much fun to be part of that trend so happen to be at the right place at the right time. And that's really important because I learned the smell of Trent and I think that has served me since so fast forward. We moved up to New Hampshire because Brian had grown up in keene New Hampshire and his parents were still there and I started to teach skating so I was thrust out of New York City and into a small mountain town in New Hampshire and I started Bradley Skate. School and started teaching skating locally. In the meantime I licensed the name Camp Rollerblade from rollerblade and started to offer skate camps weekend skate camps for adults and kids under the name of Camp Rollerblade. The first one I did was in Stratton Vermont and we built half pipes and had two hundred or more people come to spend the weekend at Stratton Mountain to learn how to skate pretty cool. We had people coming from all over the country for the weekend to learn how to inline skate. 'cause it was really really hot back then. We advertised in inline skating. Magazines and I think in the magazine was a form to fill out an send your check in. I remember everyday checking the mailbox for registrations for camp rollerblade crazy one big project. I was approached by a video production company to create a inline skating instructional video. It's called Skate fit and we produced this really great skating video and QVC was up and coming and they were going across the country and they wanted to highlight products from each state and they wanted to use skate. Fit as one of their showcased News Hampshire Products Tho- Skate fit by Caroline Bradley at Maple Syrup and Maple Syrup right and probably like knitted socks or something. I don't know so they wanted to buy. I don't know two thousand or more videos to sell on. Qvc for their New Hampshire Day. But they're caveat was that they wanted to return whatever didn't sell kind of sounds like nordstroms right but it wasn't my choice because I didn't own the video my video producers did and they declined. They declined I had nothing I could do. I couldn't believe it. Qvc was going to sell the videos. Now I had learned from blades gateway all right with Nordstrom's but I had no power so we had to let it go and they continued to push the video in other ways And then I also wrote a book called Inline Skat- New England so that is my. That was my first book. I don't know I think it might have sold five hundred copies honestly. Well I bought a copy for two dollars on Amazon a couple of years ago. Get Out. No I'm not kidding. You was from Germany on in Germany was selling in. Lionsgate ringling too. It's funny because I think if you search now for skate fit the video I think you can find it in German somewhere so weird so there it is so scathing started to fate for me and then we opened the cone. Klopp talk about a right turn and the cone club. I just have to say it was not my idea that the cone club your idea yes. Why wasn't sure if you would claim otherwise? Yeah no I had the idea of a country club for a country cover ice cream. Guess Oh yeah. He had the brilliant idea of buying this property with two partners and building out a an ice cream shop in a miniature golf course. D Say Brilliant sarcastically totally. Yeah but I went along with it because we were entrepreneurs so we see opportunities and we go down that path that rabbit hole. We see if it's viable and we take it and so we did and we opened up a ice cream shop and ninety thousand dollar Miniature Golf Course in Kenya Hampshire. The town was in love with us. People lining up to play miniature golf in have their soft serve ice cream. And you in your sister would walk into the cone club. Every day you would pull a cone from the sleeve and you'd stick it up. You were too short to do it yourself. And you'd stick it up under the soft. Serve your soft serve ice cream every day and so there. We were in business again. Bricks and mortar business. We expanded to open an arcade like a little Dave and buster's or chucky cheese in our big warehouse. And what the Hell were we doing? In many ways. The cone club drove out of Keane. The club is still there just called sprinkles now but it's still in Keane. It's still isn't ice cream shop. That is our legacy in keene. New Hampshire is sprinkles. Well I remember Your Dad in. I one Sunday afternoon cleaning out the ice cream vats and there we were like with our hands in these huge machines and he looked up at me and he said you know you can make a buck in so many different ways and this isn't one of the ways that I wanna make a buck anymore. And that's when we we basically just fled. We laughed. We left town. During the time I started to find solace in Yoga. I went to a video store and I special ordered a yoga. Vhs With Kathy. Smith and Rod Stryker and I took that vhs and did it every day while you and your sister napped the same video. And I would go down to the basement and I would do this yoga practice. And that was the beginning of my journey into Yoga So this is the amazing thing. Is that people look at verge. Yoga sixteen year old business steady growth steady expansion impeccable reputation incredible success and they. It's so easy for them to just think. Oh good timing on that business or lucky you know and they have no idea the skeletons in my closet. I mean literally. I have so many failures behind me. Well why you're doing this right. It's why I'm doing this. I really want people to recognize that. Most entrepreneurs do not strike gold the first time out. I mean there's no way.

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Creating a Holiday Spending Plan #131

How to Money

38:05 min | 1 year ago

Creating a Holiday Spending Plan #131

"Matt there's still folks out there that are spending way too much on their cell phone bill will the future of phone service is here and it's called visible yeah for forty bucks a month all in you get unlimited data messaging is an minutes on Verizon's four G lt network along with mobile hotspot at lt speeds up to five megabits per second with unlimited usage when they say forty bucks creating a holiday spending plan Really Butts in this particular instance I did not do that I got her name let's say for example her name was Casey Smith and the made up names vary thoughts you know what he needs to be the laying on something flats maybe just a little bit nicer bassinet maybe we went sheep and got the least expensive safe option and we're paying for it this any anything that you want in your stocking or under the tree maybe a little more sleep that's actually sounds really good I wish someone could wrap it up and give it to me sleeper this bedside sleeper units and he was sort of getting turned diagonal a little bit and we'd wake up and see him kind of crammed in the corner just didn't look like he was very comfortable so we because we're not getting any sleep now it's not worth it right there man I trade hard cash for sleep any day of the week well that's exactly what we did so kate found something on the neighborhoods three months to pay off their balances after the holidays that's a big problem and so yeah we've got some thoughts so we want to share in order to help people avoid that because it feels nice to buy people it kind of seems early to talk about the holidays it is only October but it's going to be important for us to talk about these things now into I feel like the tainted holidays I know right you don't want to be there you don't want to be there sounds like a lawsuit or a band I don't know but before we get there matt what do you want for the holidays yeah well in fact she said her name was Casey Smith to done got it so I punched in popped right up I'll say Gotcha here clicked it punched in thirty bucks. ANC Gifts for the holidays but then January calms you get the credit card bill in the mail and that's when it really sucks that's not good so it makes that spending take the bags out from under my eyes yeah we had our babies on the scene now for a couple of months I'm still not getting great sleep but actually related to that I had a story to share with you about then mo before we get to the holidays we're discussing ways to get through the holidays without debt we're going to talk about healthy habits when it comes to holiday spending man there's a status fifty percent of consumers say it will take more than I want to hear how Vin Mo- equals no sleep what how do these tied together here's the thing so we thought that the reason western wasn't getting great sleep is because we kind of have this different it turns out there is at least two of them totally the wrong person and I wanted to share the story because you need to make sure that you have the exact right screen name or handle when you're using says wrong person sounds like what she just messing with me because I pulled it up right with their right there and Kelsey Smith to write like how many Kathy Smith are there swop it was a brand new bassinet she'd found it online as well it had great reviews and it was an amazing deal I went over to their house solid brand new yeah and there's no protections for anybody if you send money whereas if you use a credit card and you don't receive the items right the purchased you have the ability to a charge back well there's going on while I'm over there like probably fell asleep leaning against the wall while the lady was and so she told me her name because that's how you do stuff right you don't really carry around cash right on I know most people don't anymore especially people in their twenties and thirties they're totally used to sending money virtually through Van Mohan cash exactly I'm very used to it as well very used to punching in someone's name up and exclusive special offer just for how many listeners that's visible dot com slash two money welcome to how to money I'm Joel is I matt and today we're discussing it's the most difficult so if it's somebody that's done work at my house since the first time I've paid them I just have to make sure I show it to them physically is this your rights game that's what I should have done chapter when you're using because those companies they don't have any control over the money that you send to people once it goes into their account it's their money and they don't have to send it back right account so if you ever get money sent to you you know be above board be cool send them back but it seems fishy if they have like a weird history or if it's a brand new user spending plan the problem is most people don't have a plan for how much they're gonNA spend an who they'll be buying for this holiday season and their budgets get wrecked we're going to spend we can avoid that kind of January nastiness and the ridiculous bill that we don't actually have the money to pay off right you know what I love around the holidays like a nice fresh what about that with Ben most that's fascinating in terrifying at the same time yeah overall still very safe but like we said make sure you have the person's name right there handle exactly correct yep well eventually it's like a lot of conversation back and forth but the fact was was she was afraid that I was trying to pull on her because it was totally random and I looked into this it's nothing like that when it comes to then more cash up and then mo it's easy to see the people that you've paid before they're kind of in your history same thing with cash out but if it's somebody who knew exactly call it the bar you know like the square with the different coded shaded sections so just to ensure that you get the right person but again it wasn't a big deal and I thought surely that's I'm show to their face let's get to the beer that we're having on this episode today on the show were drinking a beer called timely surrender by archetype brewing and this was sent to us by Brad and Karinna who before we dive into just how to set up spending plan is just overall you WanNa make sure that you're not going into debt for the holidays that you're not going into the red spending money on sounds like that is going to give you more gift money to spend every single month yeah no doubt I love the idea of looking at your budget finding places to cut and then allocating back there out that money because the initial money wasn't maybe fully in fully deposited I'm not exactly sure how it works because I'm not a criminal that's something that blanket of snow outside for Christmas is fresh credit card debt Atlanta we're not getting snow buddy but we're also not getting credit card debt either yeah that's true man so a few main points that money towards the positive things that you wanna do like if gift giving is really really important to you but you don't have the money to make it happen will finding ways to cut your current budget so the brewed the beer themselves right yeah they are the owners or founders of archetype brewing up there in Asheville North Carolina so thanks so much for sending this beer yet Monday's Ip it didn't think much of it so did fake Cassie Smith to did she or other Kathy Smith who I should call her she's a real cassie Smith to wishy above board and she said that thirty bucks back so that's really the only way around it is to actually pull it up and show it to their face and say is this your actual screen name and they had the scan future to like you can pull it up your profile and pulls up prefer for you to buy all your gifts between December sixteenth and December twenty fifth I mean that's when they want you to buy because they're not running sales anymore at that point because I thought there's no way that could actually be a thing but it is there's been some reports of fraudulent payments being sent to people and then them saying oh person and they asked for back and somehow that person who sins the time the biggest price competition is in mid to late November really that's what you're GonNa find the best deals on things maybe creeping into early December but if you want to more just be creative about it find other places that you can cut back on to increase the amount you have four holiday spending so for example if you change cell phone providers to save maybe fifty bucks the most money I guess if you want your dollar to stretch further this holiday season and you are planning on shopping online in regular bigger retail stores locally small businesses was excellent and I love me a good Cezanne so I'm excited to drink this one and talk about it at the end of the episode Ami to Art Matt Let's get onto the subject at hand today on the show we're talking about creating a holiday are they spending this early in the year early in the season is because last minute Christmas shopping is the worst right it's hard for planning angel end up spending way more money that way chiefs you wanna spend the money that you actually have and so make a commitment to not gonNA debt over holiday spending no one's GonNa love you more just because you spent more than you could actually you're into online shopping nice man a nice little plug for a plug in another thing is we want to encourage folks to start early another reason we're talking about how because they overspend and lots of Americans will have a holiday spending hangover and be paying off those unforeseen expenses well into the new year but if we start saving money now and start planning for von Codes and really it's just going to help you save money when when shopping online honey can help you see like the price history of a particular item it can give you notifications of price drops if you sign up for that and also it will kind of do this automatic searching for coupon codes so you're not going down Google rabbit hole to try to find a coupon code for that website so I would do that now actually want to make sure that you're thinking like a retailer retailers are thinking about the holiday season like the following year and you know what that's not a bad approach yeah retailers would the best sales the biggest discounts you're gonNA find those earlier on in the holiday shopping season and if you wait too long if you are a last minute shopper you're gonNA pay a heavy a ton of money in the situation but really the fake it looks like it clears and then it doesn't then the bank realizes that it's not real check and then they want their money back and it's just yeah that's a hurry situation but I'm not I'm thinking like retailer but you really do need to think that far in advance if you can even start thinking about the next holiday season now that is going to put you in even stronger position solid spending plan right after the break a simple habit is a mental wellness APP with something worth reaching out Savino and just letting them know that like hey this is going on should I be doing this and I think that could be a really healthy and safe way to be above board but still take advantage of those different any time on your side so that you can implement and execute that plan yeah some people might think we're crazy for doing an episode about holiday spending in October yeah it's like when the Christmas in truly if you want to make sure you're fully prepared for Christmas it takes budgeting in advance it takes setting aside that money every single month guided content spanning Meditation Mindfulness Coaching Therapy Sleeping more there are hundreds of guided sessions available for free and over two thousand with a premium subscription their library is always growing. I've never really been into mindfulness meditation before but I've been trying simple habit and I found that even just a five minute session position right with your eyes closed and it completely silent room these meditations are created to help you with specific problems in your life like if you're nervous right before a big presentation at work or maybe if you're having that discount that simple habit dot com slash money back from the break we're talking about holiday spending it to her and she's like all right let me take you out to the car I didn't think much of it took a home we're done right until an hour later I get a message from van Mo from Cassie Smith's back in college even I used to totally wait until until Christmas Eve and do you feel like you paid a lot more because it was a very press conscious high school or college I I don't think they do there's some not all of them that's for sure and they're going the way of the Dodo Bird it's interesting to see how malls are being reconfigured and the companies that are buying tough time sleeping at night it's not just eating you meditate for the sake of meditating simple habit is practical yeah go simple habit dot com slash money to get thirty percent off do you plan to buy it for those folks again and if so like what seems like a reasonable amount of money this will give you a realistic starting point for how much you can save and set aside and like the title of this episode says this is about creating a holiday spending plan and so having a solid spending plan is just so clutch and here now are some specific steps have spit up on it or anything did you hold under a black light you know black light but keep in mind how I mentioned that I haven't gotten much sleep right and so I'm halfway aware of what's the you can't allocate more money towards gift giving is an awesome way to do it also Another thing you need to do probably right now if you're into online shopping is installed the plug in called honey you can take to get started Julius Hinson at taking your cues from last year's spending if you don't even know where to begin now it's not a bad idea to base this year spending on what you spend premium subscription to simple habit the premium subscription unlocks fifteen hundred plus meditations and gives you the option to download all your favorites so good a simple habit dot com slash money apps. Yeah I've heard about that with fake cheques you get a check in the mail right in and send me back six hundred bucks but I give you a check overpaid you five thousand right it's like Oh that's okay I'm still walking away with be really helpful in restoring some sanity in a hectic day and if you don't even have five minutes well simple habit has sessions as brief as just one minute and you don't need to sit in loaded this year assuming that you didn't overspent think about who you bought Ford did you buy for teachers maybe some distant relatives third cousins are no you don't have to buy for them forget them but then ask yourself right before the break we know we talked about setting aside twenty forty or fifty bucks a month well this is when you actually determined that amount when you take that total and you've got your annual spending for the holidays but don't forget any special significant others who may have joined you in the past year true true are also important to round up haven't amount specified too you can factor in somebody having that excess amount budgeted in for over just it's just super helpful so that you can go over occasionally on that perfect gift for that Right Person Take that divide that by twelve and then set that money aside every single month just like you would towards an annual bill yeah and make sure you're adding in new peoples like let's say you got a girlfriend or boyfriend the idea here is that you have a number man that's realistic right and that you have a number that's not so low that you completely burn pass that and like you said you just completely quit and give up on that or something similar there are other plug ins that do similar work but honeys just praised the best honeystone best it's so good yeah so people should install that right now it helps with key attempted to throw in the towel if you blitzer the budget that you set for yourself I know sometimes you find that perfect gift for somebody and you had let's say thirty dollars allocated for king some cuts it's time to get really picky at this point you'll either needs to maybe limit the folks that you buy for like altogether or maybe some combination of both I think Joan I would with recommend that you just cut everybody off your list actually boom problem saw joyful holidays in store for all I'm sure if all else fails awkward well here's the thing after looking at last list what you WanNa do if it's looking like you're setting yourself up to fail to spend maybe more than you can actually afford then it's going to be time to start me like I gotta get something for mom I waited too late and I was totally the guy that's like parking up on the curb because there's so many cars at the mall you remember them all by the way yeah I think they still exist the whole time like Matt said an excel spreadsheet could work I don't actually write things down on my hand in pen that just wouldn't work very well but once you created your holiday spending budget locations go up and it's not even Halloween right right that's what this episode feels like but it's even crazier we're talking about creating a holiday spending plan for twenty twenty right but really to do something different with them because people just don't shopping malls like they used to go to the mall and work like just a giant we work now you can go there and get work done but we were kind of joking if you go over so if you can allocate five percent more than you thought you would spend well that can help ease the pain if you do overspend on a gift for a loved one that way you don't feel quite so cramped or ability in freedom within your budget you want to be sure that you stick to the overall budgeted amount and you don't want to go over that but there is some wiggle room inside of that if you do score justin of a lot more in that could end up really throwing a wrench in your budget unless you're like me and you love waiting to the last second because that used to be my mo back in high school because you in all likelihood know roughly what you're going to spend for Christmas based on last year spending and we're GONNA get into more on that and how you actually create situation where you just kind of close your eyes and crusher fingers hope that it works out after you set that number at the very beginning this is something that you are going to track and follow and monitor because helpful is considering going cash only for the holiday season if you pull out the exact amount of cash that you've budgeted to spend it really helps you be disciplined in sticking to that number they mean forty bucks a month and that includes taxes and fees every single month so head to visible dot com slash how to money to get twenty dollars off your first month of service when you really low price on the perfect gift that you've been looking for for somebody it just gives you that ability to spend a touch more on somebody else yeah Joe this is such an important step right because you're not only just coming up just scrooge mcduck it that's one way to do it probably not the best advice for Matt on that one another thing you should do in this whole process is be tracked attention man there's going to be times when you need to make some tweaks and adjust the amount that you're gonNA spend on somebody else because you know what I really wanted to spend more on this other person but we're sticking to the budget we're sticking to the willing to make some small tweaks but that's that's exactly what we do every year dude we I mean we'll take twenty eight Christmas spending excel file I will copy and paste that the plan but this is the follow through right like this is the actual execution and we're not only just tracking those expenses you're comparing it to the numbers that you have decided that you're going to spend this is so you want to keep track as you're buying gifts if you get a great deal on something and spend less on somebody because of it well that gives you some wiggle room to spend more on others this is how you can have even more flexible legit and so once you have that list put together in man personally I do feel that like a Google sheet or an excel file is perfect for that because you've got all your mouse you keep their totals running I just read it consider opening even a separate savings account where you can funnel just how much need to maybe twenty bucks for fifty bucks a month for next year's holiday spending it's just about having a plan didn't have one last year looking at last year spending can get you a long way but don't forget about the yeah yeah looking at last we'll get you like ninety five percent of the way plan and really that's the hardest part that's kind of what it all comes down to as we're kind of thinking about tracking our purchases one interesting way of doing it I think it can be really really on my hand in pen that's my way of keeping you sweat profusely wipe your brow and you're like oh no magic and then my friend like season like Oh you're spending twenty bucks on me progressively really a gift but it's a fifty dollar gift and it's perfect you really really want to get that for them I think there are ways to try to see if you can get a better deal on it whatever but if that's ultimately the gift that you WanNa buy for change it to twenty one thousand nine hundred and open it up and kate will go in there and kind of tweak some numbers maybe add somebody may be cut somebody but it's really that easy and that will get you most of the way there Ford and if they say that they'll love you more because you spend more and that's not somebody you want to hang out what are those keepers right but here's the thing if you just love giving gifts and you want think and can help us be a little more focused as we're buying gifts for the people that we love you man setting up those constraints can be a great way to help folks but here's the thing if you're not into that discount her and granted that can be hard to do because so many of the presents that we buy for each other our online purchases these days but going to that cash system can really help curb unnecessary scribe apple podcast iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts were you guys spend your holiday time Jim that's a great point we're GonNa talk more about communicating and talking about these expectations but first let's take a quick break Shin's more about family events your kid might be bombed that they don't get the latest Nintendo switch or whatever it is it's on their list but they'll have more of an appreciation for the way your family views it and offer dollar with no limit on how much you can earn amazing it's kind of like being showered with cash from above which would also be pretty amazing in fact it's so amazing that millions right this can be the perfect time to talk about and live out what you actually value what a great way to start some of those money conversations with your kids in order watching it discover cashback Mash what are you waiting for learn more at discover dot com slash cash back match sites where you can buy or sell gift cards yeah I think really those websites are so helpful in lowering the overall amount you spend on gifts because two things the people a year are getting their cashback mashed they just can't get enough so whether it's raining down on your head or raining into your bank account it's your cashback and discover kind of control and curb your own spending on others so later on the show we're going to talk about some more practical ways that you can actually save money but real quick before we go to the break let's talk about kids where you're going to do your holiday shopping you can stretch your dollar and making go further so for instance let's say you're planning on spending a lot of money at a store like target or old Navy or Rainier Carpool and you can just get it for less money that's one way I think these websites are really helpful another way is if you know that their items at those stores those particular stores celebrate upfront and communicate with them I think your kids are way more likely to understand and to be okay with the direction that you've chosen your kids let's make sure you know about cramps wherever you can buy this kind of Gift Card on one of those discounted gift card sites and you might be saving eight percent or twelve percent or fifteen percent mutate well with your kids about what the holidays are going to look like about where time is going to be spent about the way Christmas morning is GonNa look or whatever holidays onto gifts that you're buying for folks from those stores just by having taken that one additional step of buying a gift card that somebody else didn't want and snagging it at a discount vying gift card for somebody you can get them gift card at the same store you're planning on going into the physical location or buying on that store's website and you can buy it at a site like Gift Card that some realistic expectations and instead you can turn the focus to traditions and that time spent together as a family yeah I think the hardest thing is yeah well but if you can start building up the idea of what the holidays mean to your family and actually follow through and make the holiday season more about time together more about actually almost works like cash right like we're talking about constraints when you buy a gift card you were going to be less likely to overspend because you have a set amount that you've already spent and so I think that's another great way to right exactly exactly that's what we're sitting there expectations for just getting but again that's why we're putting this episode out so early in the season because these are the kind of because there can be a lot of pressure when it comes to kids and presence around the holidays there are expectations from previous years maybe what they're seeing advertising and even what they see their friends getting out so I love that kind of approach if you know kind of the stores that you're planning shop at it can be really helpful and just kind of driving down those overall holiday spending costs yeah man they wanna hear something amazing discover matches all the cash back you earn at the end of your first year automatically fragile we were just talking about communicating with our friends and family about maybe we might be spending less this year we want to encourage you to not be afraid to talk about your spending or the lack thereof maybe others they might even be relieved to know that the gift giving this year's going to be kind of tone down oh my gosh have you ever had that conversation with someone in your family and they're like frustrations that you need to begin having now it's really crummy if you start telling your kid through not going to get very many presents on December twenty third that's a bummer and they're not gonNA take it it's easy to spend less when you everyone you know when you're on the same page but like we're saying it's important to communicate that clearly and specifically why it is that you might be gently focused on paying off your student loan debt or you're saving for a down payment for a home or you've got medical bills or some other financial setbacks going on in your life those are please thank you you too good you for taking the reins on this because it was killing me that have to kind of meet this crazy gift-giving schedule that we had set up yeah well let me the fact is is to talk about the bigger goals that you have and letting your family know that that's part of the reason that you're not able to spend as much on holiday gifts so for instance if you're in live in a joking Bah humbug kind of mood even the holidays yet talking about cramp is talking about telling your friends you don't love them I think one way to kind of help broach that conversation heat reasons to spend less but the people in your life that you love might not know that about you might not know that that's something that you're going after really hard and you know what honestly as we feel a little guilty or a little weird talking about money talking about our goals talking about what we're prioritizing opening up those lines of communication getting honest with hiring people that hey you know what I've got this really small budget this year and I it's just not gonNA look like it has in years past opening up those lines of communication and letting them know so why things have changed for you honestly I feel like that can be really really motivating to hear from a friend and it can deepen our relationship by getting that honest with somebody that you care about people around you that is in and of itself kind of this beautiful way to spend the holidays by increasing that level of relationship by trusting somebody in your family or somebody talk to you as well yeah what a much more meaningful way to spend the holidays right it's not an excuse I think we can feel like an excuse if you're like hey I can't do it because of this shear when it comes to spending around the holidays because maybe you feel a moral obligation to cut back on the amount that you're spending on the amount of consumption that you are part of honestly presence like sometimes they can be a bit overrated gift-giving it's a love language for some people but for a lot of folks they just get sucked into that advertising and that consumption minds interference circle enough to kind of let them know what's important to you what you're prioritizing right now and that can open up the the lines of communication for further discussions about money that could be really you've made and that you're not judging them because they're into the gifts right if they're bigger spenders that's totally fine just ask them to not include you with their holiday spending or that dozens of presents under a Christmas tree doesn't make for a better Christmas but the thing is make sure though that when you share this with your friends and family that the no for you it's a personal decision that getting back this year you WanNa make sure that you can let that friend no that's not getting that gift well it's because you don't love them anymore that's always a fun conversation I feel like I've been but if you can have a heartfelt conversation about heart your limits and what's going on in your life I feel like that can be really helpful totally in another great reason to discuss with your friends and family while you might be cutting back the that sounds a little negative maybe instead they can donate that money that they would have spent on you to a charity that they really care about I think that's an awesome way to make some positive change in our world meantime not participating in overconsumption Ari Matt and regardless of the reason that you're spending less well let's talk about some easy ways to actually spend less so one eight to do this is to make homemade gifts for the people in your life if you're having a tough time thinking we have a great gift that's within your budget amount maybe consider going homemade with it cookie were thinking of me it didn't have to be physical item and oftentimes some of those smaller trinkets that come as presents during the holidays the smaller things they end up getting discarded but kind of note that sentimentality that meaning it lasts for a long time and on the note of scarves and on the note of guests that you're GonNa give me I remember how you said you're GonNa take scarves handwritten notes it doesn't take a whole lot of money to let someone know that you care so this is the best gifts that I've ever gotten or a card with a thoughtful note that let somebody know that have you gotten that you just completely forgot about over the years time is almost always so much more valuable once you realize that the true value of time and how it's not something that you can make more of perfect things in life right it was such a good time he had a great time I had a great time we got to talk about some things that we hadn't talked about in a while shared some different stories Asian there and then we went to an Atlanta united match which was a lot of fun we won that was the most important thing but then after that we went and got some barbecue all the beautiful Elena and this isn't something that we've done before but I think we kind of talked about this last year we're talking about spending around the holidays and so this is something I'm going to do gave it to dad off be intentional with the time that you have with your loved ones especially around the holidays enjoy a quick example of this I'm thinking of the gift that I give my dad last year for Christmas for a day and but just a gift or an electric shaver exactly which by the way I totally think I needed not a new electric shaver but only clippers some new hair. Yeah you gotTa have those you'd made me with something I probably would wear it so another way that you can spend less is to make it a priority to spend time with the people you love how many have a lot of kids running around like maybe the adults could really care less right if they actually receive guests or not but what they really want is to make sure that the kids do right and so in that case make sure that you're set spending limits it's so the worst when one person goes way over and spends too much like the white elephant gift is something fancy yeah it's like brought a thirty dollar bottle of wine are extended family and that way you're not stuck with trying to by eighteen different gifts for all the different members of the extended family yeah I love prioritizing giving to the kids because they appreciate it was just a way for us to connect in grow relationship at a deeper level and that's not something that you know he would have gotten if I would have gotten him a tie and there's nothing wrong with a nice time it's so much more than we do and I don't know about you matt but but for me when when people are asking me what I want for Christmas there's just almost nothing comes to mind because I feel like I have every less is let's say you're doing like a family gift exchange if you set a firm dollar amount stick to it I feel like White Elephant Gift Party or in a family gift exchange with us is to make a conscious decision to not spend it on ourselves this holiday season as well I think it can be really easy especially when the killer deals come out and we can get a flat screen are lazy Saturday morning right so he got to spend some quality time with the girls there in the morning but then later that day me and him we went to a local brewery we got some beers which is a lot of fun how ego good commerce make your holiday season and more meaningful and it's going to help you spend less at the same time if you're just not out there shopping for yourself this holiday season yeah just be honest with yourself while you're shopping nobody spends less and it's just better if everyone sticks to the limit that's kind of been created follow the rules another example I'm thinking of two maybe it was like some larger families the the trump to be able to come out here but but that's just a small example of quality time and how much more meaningful and impactful that can be yeah one more way to kind of spend and we did that this year dude in was so much fun he came to Atlanta we first we had brunch with the whole family which she totally appreciated enjoyed he kinda got to see sort of a peek into so important to keep your ultimate goal in mind that's hug of the moment can be to buy those nice things for the people around you and you're going to be even tempted to buy those nice things for yourself getting gifts you know if you're a kid so say you're eighteen or younger boom you get a gift or if there are adults though who wants to do the gift exchange you can draw names that's what we do with keep it super focused maybe on one item that you've been really meaning to replace in your life something like that I think it's okay but for the most part if you can cut that out altogether in the moment for most folks I think that the true reason for the holidays is to spend quality time with those who you love let's try not to allow over consumption to get in the way of that those are and TV for one hundred and twenty bucks or something like that because really easy to start spending on ourselves this holiday season and I think if you budget a small amount and I want that right exactly it's Kinda like changes the vibe and so the the same thing in your family if you've got a spending limit stick to it and that's a good way of making sure every now it's one of my favorite styles dude I completely agree with you I enjoy the fact that my palate is expanding and I'm enjoying different style of beers but this one in particular it was pretty Brett heady up knitting and you're going to need me in Atlanta united scarf where's my scarf dog all right it's on my to do list and I'll see if it makes it in time for Christmas I'm just messing with you that isn't a

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How Chinese censorship changed Top Gun (and the rest of Hollywood)

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

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How Chinese censorship changed Top Gun (and the rest of Hollywood)

"The Age old question. How much of your privacy will you give away for a better shopping experience from the American public media? This is marketplace in Los Angeles. I'm Kai Ryssdal. The twenty first of November. It is good as always to have you along everybody as we get closer to the holiday shopping season and I guess already in it right a lot of folks out. There are looking for deals discounts coupon code sales which leads us big news today on the acquisitions front payment mid-process or pay pal said Wednesday. It's GONNA pay four billion dollars for honey. Science Corporation honey makes web browser add ONS and an APP to help customers find and news those digital coupon deals. It is the biggest acquisition for papal yet. Marketplace's Kimberly Adams explains what Lord Pay Pal to honey. When twenty-seven-year-old year old Blake Birch shops online honeys browser add on automatically checks to see if there's a coupon or if he can maybe get a better price elsewhere in the process honey honey learn something about his shopping habits? Hunting probably believes that. I'm really big into electronics. And Games which wouldn't be an accurate accurate? Those are primarily the things that I'm buying online and what he might want to buy in the future honey will use that info to target users with deals for those potential purchases. Every gardener is with the Center for Democracy and technology and says right now pay POW only comes in at the end of the shopping experience. That's when it's time to check out with honey they're going to move way up the sales funnel they're going to see what their customers are thinking about buying particularly younger anger customers. honeys user base tends to skew towards millennials and Gen Z.. And Pay Pal. Isn't the only one interested. According to Chad lead furtive add shoppers. which helps manage and sell customer data? So I think payment processors are definitely GonNa be the acquisition game for a little bit when it comes to Getting more of the consumer's attention and more of their mind share and of course they're all important. Data Blake Birch works in the AD business and knows that honey money is tracking his shopping habits. I think at the end of the day. Just if I can't have a few dollars see if there is a better deal. He doesn't mind if they get some of his shopping. Data in exchange Wjr in New York. I'm Kimberly Adams for marketplace. The Nation's biggest discount brokerage Charles Schwab is reportedly in talks to buy biggest rival. Td Ameritrade together. The two firms manage over five trillion dollars in assets marketplace Justin Ho reports. On what the combination might mean for the firms and their customers. Here's why this is happening. Thank TD AMERITRADE now offers zero commissions online traits Schwab now with zero commissions online stock. ETF Options Trades Schwab the eliminated trading commissions in October and a lot of its competitors followed suit JP-MORGAN e-trade interactive brokers and TD. Ameritrade have all lowered fees two zero zero. There's been this race to the bottom which I think is a great thing for consumers but from the perspective of the corporations involved at straps margin then. That's Megan Shoe. Senior Investment Strategist at Wilmington Trust commissions brought in over a hundred and fifty million dollars in the quarter before Schwab eliminated them that was about about six percent of its revenue to make up for it Kathy Smith at Renaissance Capital says Schwab needs to bring in more customers. Even though they're not paying trading commissions they will will provide more earnings for SCHLUB. Those customers might pay for financial advisory services. Schwab could also live out their cash in their an interest on it. It's been says is in this industry. Bigger is better brokerage business has become a business giant as for customers. Things can't get much better there already. Not Paying. Trading fees says Ben Carlson Red Hills wealth management. I think there's probably not much more than for the consort benefit again unless it's on the service and advice side. Carlson says he'll be watching to see whether the combined combined company cuts jobs and customer service in New York. I'm Justin how for Marketplace Charles Schwab and. Td Ameritrade are both marketplace underwriters. Swab shares up seven percent on the news. TD AMERITRADE up seventeen major indices down. We'll have the details when we do the numbers Last week shooting at Saugus high school here in southern California was the the seventieth school shooting in the United States so far this year by one count schools are spending increasing amounts on safety insecurity by twenty twenty one. It's expected to be up to two point. Eight billion dollars annually. According to the market research from IHS market one Catholic school in Pennsylvania has turned to a startup that uses artificial intelligence intelligence to help detect weapons. Marketplace's Stephanie US has more Michelle. James is thinking about sending her daughter to Archbishop Wood High School in Bucks County any Pennsylvania next year so in recent morning she went for a visit. One thing she was thinking about. Her daughter's safety makes me emotional. Talk about active shooters things like that. You've got to worry about that stuff nowadays. You know. I'm dropping my child off. I WanNa make sure she comes back home. The school knows that security is important to parents. There's a staff member at the main entrance of the school. Who checks visitors students have to swipe their ID cards to enter the building and once they're on school grounds? The kids are watched by thirty. Two cameras is not something it's sticking out and they're all over the place. Gary Merrill runs archibishop would during the gyms are in the cafeteria. You Walk in Hallway. We can see you walk outside. We can see a company called it the security can also see you and what you might be carrying it monitors cameras using artificial intelligence software to detect a person in the school is holding a weapon so so if someone were to come in and building and pull out a gun the cameras pick up the weapon and it notifies us on our phones right away. Scenario says Archbishop would has to compete with good local public schools. It wants to give parents all the reasons that can to spend ninety four hundred dollars a year for their kids to attend the I. It's an extra selling point. They they don't have Athena. We do. Archbishop would was actually Athena's first client now. The startup has about fifty one of the schools. Retired teachers is the mother of it the CTO. Chris Cabrera Tobare also gave the school and eighty five thousand dollar gift for Career Counseling Center for the I in AI. It has to train the software so chipper has been directing stick videos. You'RE GONNA come in from outside with a gun and the camera filming you here. He's talking to a group of actors hired from craigslist during a film. Shoot at this home in Austin enters the room waving a gun around good you do it again. The actor does it again only this time while he's wearing a hat. The idea is to get as many variations as possible. So that the I pick up the gun no matter what the person holding. It looks like there aren't many of these kinds of images in the public domain and almost not are from the perspective of security cameras ten to twelve feet in the air. We started with all the Hollywood videos movies. We found out. Guess what the shooting always straight on. We'll never shooting down but Athena software still makes mistakes on average twice a day every cam identifies an object as a weapon at arch. Bishop would that means. It could be wrong. Approximately sixty four times a day so humans look at every image. The software says is a gun to bear. Walks me through a real life example from another client on this one. They're holding museum in if you want somebody in a mall in a mall holding what looks like a cell phone and that's what it it is. A genus sells it software to any place that has security cameras. The company charges an initial fee of four hundred dollars per camera followed by a regular monthly fee of one hundred dollars per camera but for schools. Specifically there's not a lot of information about what actually prevents shootings. There is no national data. Set that has the the existing security measures for the schools across the nation. Tim Service steady school security as a professor of psychology at College. He says in the absence of data school. I still feel pressured to do something that might involve getting some super high tech facial recognition software. So you can identify a potential threats. What's that might involve purchasing bulletproof smart boards for your classrooms? But there isn't really any evidence at those things are effective and we're we're not likely to get that evidence anytime soon. Congress has appropriated one billion dollars over ten years for school safety equipment as well as training to prevent violence but that same measure eliminated funding for research to determine what's actually effective in Bucks County Pennsylvania. I'm Steffan Hughes for marketplace. The next day delivery is the new normal almost a requirement by the consuming public. But it's not without some costs especially in what's called the last mile neighborhood. Streets crowded with trucks. Lots of traffic exhaust pollution all to drop off one package baggage so some cities are testing a new way of doing things Tracy Lindemann wrote about it for the Guardian Walkman of the program. I thank you for having me so the last mile is as I said the really the the hardest problem there is at least one answer right. One of the solutions that a lot of cities are looking to adopt is is to kind of move some of the distribution into the city so currently usually what happens right now is that a lot of distribution centers are on the outside out of the city in the suburbs and the outskirts some big warehouse time depot. Where trucks go in and then all those trucks come into the city right So the distributions nations way out there what these people are trying to do is bring some miniature distribution centers into the city and then using bikes instead of trucks to distribute the packages throughout the city. And that does what it cuts down on cost also cuts down. I imagine on emissions. And you don't have all these trucks clogging traffic right. Yes exactly cities that are looking at the solution partly as a way to get trucks out of the city because yes they are a big source of emissions for sure her but they also cause a lot of traffic problems. They're dangerous for cyclists places like in New York City for example or even concentrated parts of Los Angeles. You can really see the dramatic effect that these tracks have okay so Let me put on my consumer had here and say yays saving emissions and time and money. But am I going to get my packages when I want my packages which is right now. Yeah well that requires a bit of a shift in the way that people think right lake. Uh You might need your medication right now but do you really need a two pound bag of almonds right now like do you need. Do you need that book. It's just GonNa sit on your table for two for even touch it. So that's that's kind of the thing like we're we're conditioned now to believe that we need it immediately but what do we really immediately need is kind of the bigger question is it. A whole new workforce are they taking. What would have been the delivery truck drivers and retraining them to ride a bike? I guess I think that it depends on the city into depends on the company too so the company that I spoke with in Montreal. What they were doing with their pilot project is that they used a guy who used to be a delivery driver in a truck and now he's driving this bike but of course he's not light? It's not just his pure effort powering. The bike it's an electric assist bikes. He isn't solely responsible for carrying around four hundred pounds of cargo with them. Right right pilot program in Montreal. Are we going to see anything In the states do you think yeah I think so. I think New York is Looking at kind kind of doing something similar I know a lot of cities are thinking about cargo bikes. A lot of technology. Companies are thinking about drones. I don't think drones are necessarily great idea because they just recreate the same problem but in the sky so the bike model is is ideal. I think in most most congested cities. Did you right along as it were with any of these folks no but I did try the bike it was it was hard it was actually like I. I'm sure I could get the hang of it but the first couple minutes are pretty terrifying. I was afraid of making left. Turns or right thirds for that matter. I mean anything with a cargo thing on the back. Yeah I just didn't want to tip over Tracy Lindemann writing in the Guardian the other day about Delivery Bikes coming soon. Tracy thanks a lot appreciate you talk thinking coming up. It's something so small. It looks almost insignificant. The very tiny key to a one hundred a billion dollar industry but first. Let's do the numbers Dow industrials off fifty four points today. Two tenths percent. Twenty seven thousand seven in sixty six. The Nasdaq fell twenty points. two-tenths percent eighty five zero six. The S&P five hundred most four points about a tenth percent thirty one of three there. We took a look. Look at what kind of consumer information pay pal might be able to tap into with a purchase of honey science people down one point four percent today the retail quarterly profit reports. Keep coming they're painting a picture of the winners and losers in various retail sectors today in departments department stores. Actually macy's reported sales. Were down. Another sign mall. Reliant Saul Stars are struggling macy's see slipped to one hundred percent. JC Penney back two point seven percent bonds valued tenure Tino rose to one point seven percent. You're listening to marketplace. I want to spend more time with marketplace connect with us and the other folks who make this show work. Follow all of us on twitter. We're at marketplace you can find us at marketplace. ABM On facebook youtube and instagram in in the world moves fast marketplace helps you keep up with our Alexis skill. Just say made me smart on any echo echo device and. Here's something new explained. Every day from Mali would and Cairo's doll everything from how streaming music works to whatever happened to the thousand dollar bill. They make me smart on any device to get started. This is marketplace. I'm Kai Ryssdal. China is the world's number two economy but for some big multinational companies. It's the most important Jordan market to crack and that gives the Chinese government and companies leverage. Over what key. Industries do and say and produce call them. The China rules rules there are on display in lots of places including the NBA. You'll recall the league ran afoul of the China rules when an executive for the Houston Rockets tweeted support for Hong Kong protesters. Another place Hollywood. It used to be that Hollywood would make an edited version for the Chinese market to please sensors now films are increasingly incorporating Beijing's preferences into movies the whole world sees marketplace's Scott. Tong is our former bureau chief in Shanghai. He reports on the latest controversy over content. In what will surely be one of the biggest releases next year in the original top gun from one thousand nine hundred six. Tom Cruise's character whereas his late father's flight jacket. It has patches of his dad's old navy tours. One shows multiple flags including that of Taiwan a close ally in the nineteen sixties but in the trailer for the sequel the same mattress jacket similar patch with one big exception no Taiwan flag Beijing considers Taiwan a breakaway province. It's a red line for Chinese censors. Who decide which international films to allow says the ING Jew and Hong Kong Baptist University for the Chinese Mulcair? A Taiwanese flag would be a nonstarter. The flag is not allowed to show on any screen in mainland China period so to get the reportedly hundred and fifty million in dollar Thompkin sequel into China paramount. And its Chinese business partner. tencent pictures could not offend Beijing. These days Hollywood and its its Chinese partners. Know what other lines that should not cross and ultimately self censorship is to rule of to gain. We contacted the studios. Paramount amount did not respond and ten cents no comment. But what's clear. Is that for many big budget films. Chinese business critical Steve Bruno a former executive Sony pictures now runs emerged pictures. The market is the biggest international market outside of the US it's revenue contribution is so important. That studio's really need a film to be released in China. But the trade off critics of the Chinese government argued that American studios radios are kowtowing to Beijing's rules and censorship and it shows up on the big screen among their many examples. Pixel Twenty fifteen sci fi comedy with Adam Sandler filmmakers at Sony plan to show invading aliens blowing up the Great Wall of China. But they're China team not wanting to offend sensors. There's enough that quote. It will not benefit the China release so they hit the Taj Mahal in India. Instead you may need enemies in a thriller but choose wisely. One was the last time you saw Chinese bad guy on the screen. Political commentator Harrington spent his career as a CIA analyst. He has written about China's influence over the movies. I think Hollywood's got to take a good look at itself in the mirror and say okay. There's a big market here. But we aren't just representing our shareholders were also representing the country is also not too happy with a group that actually represents the country the a US Navy the new top gun. The navy gave paramount access to its fighter jets in its worships and in return. Paramount gave the navy essay in the script. I don't know if the admiral was responsible for ultimately signing off if he signed off on airbrushing. US military history in Asia. Cha maybe he needs to go back for a refresher history course in a statement. The navy said it was not consulted about the patch and the missing Taiwan flag and didn't have the right to object checked under its contract with paramount in movie business. The presumed China rules apply even to a kids film. Yeah you're definitely a boy. Abominable is about a personable. Yeti who turns up in China film features a map with China's version of disputed waters and Coca said the University University of Virginia. I wrote the book Hollywood made in China. The map includes the nine dash line and the South China Sea which is a colloquial term for Chinese maritime sovereignty sovereignty claim that is widely disputed by its neighbors including Vietnam which banned abominable from its theaters in the US. The movie have you won the box office. Its first week and making more than twenty million dollars. It flopped in China Still Beijing. Got The politicize map at wanted. It's now being shown shown to the whole world. I'm Scott Tong for marketplace. The chocolate doc wallet. It's tasty it's sweet and as an industry it's worth around one hundred billion dollars. Globally sixty percent of the world's cocoa beans come from the African African nations of Ivory Coast and Ghana. Most of the beans are exported to Europe in the United States where the pods are used to make chocolate products and usually sold for around twenty times the price as of raw cocoa but the African producers only make around eight percent of ad according to the international cocoa organization now entrepreneurs in cocoa rich countries countries are starting to make their own chocolate rather than just exporting the raw fruit the BBC's west Africa correspondent. Louise went to meet some of them. In fact the read the Iran Pem us meet axelle Emmanuel Anyway L. Bowel one of the best chocolate makers in Ivory Coast the thirty five year old studied tax law and then worked in a bank. It was dead had that he realized there was a missed opportunity in his country. A business where he would be a pioneer a right now is a writer right now is the right because there. There is a middle class in every African country at the middle class are able to buy the chocolate now. And after it we need some big company to troughs form due to the cocoa beans afterwards cheaper for everyone acceler Emmanuel plans to expand and stop producing one hundred tons of chocolate include per year instead of twelve currently but these delicacies remain inaccessible. For many. Who instead opt for cheaper industrial chocolate all credit made elsewhere so I'm in a supermarket in Dot Com and neighboring Senegal? It's pretty big and they have a lot of things. Hey that you find in Europe or America. Let's go and see if we find accelerate manuals chocolates. Okay so this. Quite large variety about a third of the I'll on one side is chocolates. I can't see his bronze but we have nestle lint Milka and of course malls balls twix expertise on average chocolate tablet is just under three thousand francs. That's about five dollars. So it's about the same price as accenture Emmanuel chocolates except these of course imported and it's difficult for others to in the industry. Cocoa prices can fluctuate dramatically from a thirty percent dip. In twenty seventeen. They went back out by forty percent last year so recently governments have started to bank on finished products. Looks like chocolate bars that are less affected by a volatile market by twenty twenty Ivory Coast aims to process at least half of its role. Oh Coco up from a third currently and they're not the only ones in Ghana chew artisanal chocolate makers all starting to emerge one of them. It's Kim Addison who co founded a company called fifty seven with her sister. The Cocoa Bean is so symbolic you look at it. It's something so slaw law at looks almost insignificant. But you get one of the world's most luxurious items and goods that has been consistently sought after after by opting to invest in a small scale factory. The fifty seven sisters all trying to change things. The key to Ghana's development the not to Africa's development is actually manufacturing in making finished added value goods with our own local resources. So that's that's the larger article. It's a big one for now. The average consumption of chocolate in Africa is less than five hundred grams a year. Compare that with eight or nine nine kilograms in Switzerland and Germany. But with new initiatives those patterns may soon change in Dakar West Africa. I'm I'm the BBC's Louise's death for marketplace in this final note on the way out today not a shining moment for corporate the America the Conference Board. That's business research. Group says the number of female CEOS of companies in the S. and P.. Five hundred dropped from a meager twenty seven again and that's out of five hundred companies in two thousand seventeen to a lousy twenty two last year. That's a twenty percent or so drop on the other hand the group says. CEO Firings are up. Non Voluntary departures is the euphemism. They were more than thirty percent of all S. and P. Five hundred company's CEO departures last year. Those shows down fifty four points today. Two tenths percent percent. The Nasdaq off. Twenty points also two tenths percent the S. and P.. Five hundred almost four points. That is a tenth of one person. Amir Be Bali John Buckley Eve Epstein Epstein. John Gordon Inherent Bikila are the marketplace editing staff. That you streisand is the managing editor. I'm Kai Ryssdal. We will see mar but this is A._p._N..

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During the credits would you come up with trade war and a bottle of shampoo. What do you got well. How about this lather rinse. I repeat. I think it's kinda app to myself because once again today we had murmurings of progress in trade negotiations between washington and beijing and once again day eh traders took that as a signal to send the major indices up and up a bunch to lather rinse repeat kind of works right those murmurings of progress by the way high-level talks in washington early october is the timeframe not too many more specifics than that those trade talks or more accurately the lack of them featured prominently in the most recent edition of the federal reserve's beige book which was out yesterday it is you'll remember a regional and anecdotal compilation of current economic conditions around the country and offers in its pages something of a real life trade war behavioral economics experiment how are retailers figuring out where to set prices now that the trump administration's tariffs are making things more expensive marketplace's merrill cigar reports on the results. There's this anecdote in the beige book about a major retail chain in new york doesn't say which one it decided because of the tariffs to raise prices on its furniture and other big ticket items customers responded so negatively that the retailer is probably gonna cut prices again. The price hike didn't work because of the kind of products were talking about the choice. You can either buy buy that new furniture for now. You can live another few months with that. Whole sopa robert schindler who teaches marketing at rutgers business school said some businesses can get away with raising prices because customers has need what they're selling back to school products food products. <hes> repairs visit to be done trinity bill. Some retailers are trying to hide in price hikes the beige book said in chicago. Some stores are raising prices very slowly hoping their customers don't notice barbara kahn a marketing professor at wharton school says that can work but if you're aware of a tactic that the retailers using and you feel manipulated people don't like it dupe con says a simpler approach might work research in behavioral economics suggests that people are willing to pay a higher price if they think it's justified so retailers could explain to customers why they're raising prices the regular prices here. The terrorist went up since the terrorist change or something changes in economic economic situation. We intend to take this price off retailers that don't wanna be guinea. Pigs in this experiment could take a cue from target. It told suppliers recently not to pass along the cost of tariffs then again. We are talking about one of the biggest retailers in the country. I'm maryelle sarah for marketplace. There has been if not a drumbeat then a steady a steady stream of coverage perhaps here and elsewhere that a recession is a common and to be clear it is we just don't know when but in the interests of equal time today a brief detour into the flip side of that coin. My name is julius math. I'm an associate professor of economics at lafayette college. The flipside died of recession being the idea that if you take a step back the nuts and bolts of this economy into bed and so one of the economic fundamentals that i'm interested in is the inflation rate inflation's been pretty low in this economy for good long while now that is good for consumers steady prices right kind of a mixed bag big picture really but julie smith looks at something else as well but i'm more interested in job creation number. We're going to talk jobs on the ground in austin texas in a minute with andy ula but for julia smith new jobs in this economy. That's the whole smash. I think a strong economy is one where jobs are being created over time and can absorb zora people who wanna change jobs or enter the labor force <hes> and find work job been doing all right this year. The whole labor market in fact is on a ten ten year. Uptrend wages are finally rising as well so that's all good. My name is anathema. Mattie and i am a professor of finance and economics at stanford stanford graduate school of business unemployment. Yes says a nut at monte but also unemployment could be a measure. Would you want people to work so that's certainly certainy looking a little bit better and you know people are spending stock. Prices are high but stock prices were also very high in two thousand and six and then it didn't turn out that way which is to say strong fundamentals might not be all that they seem what people really should understand is that it's actually quite fregene died because a lot of it is really built on debt in other words corporations and individuals to use a lot of board board money to fund all the stuff they're doing a lot of risks can come back. Julia smith gets the economic fundamentals last word if i go back. Can i think about talking about either inflation or talking about employment rate that trade war that has been going on is going to affect both of those on as well because if businesses are uncertain there'll be less likely to hire more workers speaking of which the trade war that is lather rinse rinse repeat with music to the ears of the markets today. We'll have the details when we do the numbers <music> <music> as i was alluding to a moment ago the monthly peak into the guts of the american labor market lands at eight thirty tomorrow morning washington time the august jobs report technically called the employment situation in summary there will be two big pieces of information as you know how many jobs the economy added or possibly lost last month and then the unemployment rate what percentage of the one hundred sixty three or so million people in the american labor force who want jobs but don't have them three point seven percent was the july number best guesses are august is going to be pretty much the same and look three point seven percent is pretty low but for all the talk from economists about how we are basically at full employment right now. Things look look different out in the actual job market. That's especially evident in a place like austin texas home of a two point nine percent unemployment rate as marketplace's. Andy euler found out by the time i meet up with fifty nine year old lisa donohoe a caffeine north central often for launch. She's already logged half a day of work unpaid so so i set my alarm i wake up in the morning. I go to my computer. I look at all my matches and i go through them and they all donohoe mojo got laid off in mid-may from her job. As a quality control manager at a tech company she keeps a detailed color-coded spreadsheet to keep track jobs the jobs she supplied for the ones where she was interviewed wasn't chosen and then there are the lines in red. They didn't contact me for an interview and they just sent me an email saying they looked at my resume but they decided to go with another candidate or different or at the job just got closed. I never heard anything in three and a half months. She's applied right for almost forty jobs in austin. Somebody said something that made a lot of sense to me. The good news is you're in austin texas. The bad news is you're in austin in texas. There are tons of jobs but there's also a lot of qualified people. Many of those qualified people are just out of college and donohoe is worried that that her age could be a deterrent to some potential employers. She doesn't have family members relying on her income but she also doesn't want to rack up a bunch of credit card debt donahue who says if she doesn't have a fulltime job with a decent salary by the end of the month. She'll piece it together with part time gigs. If i've forgotten to making me then across town chris win. He's also been putting a lot of time looking for a job. I meet up with the forty three year old that has house in southwest austin. Come on in he says until recently he was out of work by choice. I have been a stay at home dad for about ten years before that. I got a d. n. Ecology plan what to be a professor from where when he says he could afford to stay at home with his two sons because his wife was making good money as a physical therapist now. They're divorced and he needs to work. He's been looking for a full-time job in the tech industry for about six months and he's frustrated that his expensive education isn't really helping h._r. Department tally really curious about whether or not have p._d. From two thousand eight that i haven't really been using i mean essentially been sitting there. You know <hes> collecting dust. He also knows employers are leery of someone who's been <music> out of the workplace for so long. I feel like most h._r. Departments are wanting to know what have you been doing the last few years and maybe you're taking the road and hiring somebody straight out of college or somebody who'd been doing the exact same thing and they're just making a lateral transition now when he's got a new plan. He's currently enrolled in a program to get his high school teaching certificate but that's gonna take a while so he'll keep hoping something else comes along. I think there's a lot of vulnerability shame and letting people know that you're having a hard time getting a job. It'd be a lot more satisfying to show up to job and have colleagues that you're working with bennett at home and apply for jobs to stay afloat financially when he's tapped the equity in his house and he's working as a substitute teacher and as a waiter at some private events when he can he knows the job market is supposed to be favorable right now people saying if you want a job you can get one. He's just trying to figure out how that's supposed to work for him in austin texas. I'm a dealer for marketplace. Do one of the big questions. A company has to answer when it starts even thinking about going public is valuation. What are we worth deciding on that number and then trying to guess what the market might do when that first trading day comes is far from an exact science in the case of the week company the parents of the co working startup we work. It's apparently a very inexact science. The company's initial public offering has been in the works for a while now at a generally accepted valuation of something like forty seven billion dollars today though a whole slew of published reports without confirmation we should say but a whole slew published reports say that we work is now looking to go public at evaluation of twenty to thirty billion dollars. There are some concerns about business model in corporate governance pantley but given all the skepticism marketplace's. This is amy scott wanted to know why the rush to go public anyway. I there's the market to consider the stock. Market is near an all time high. There's no guarantee that that's going to continue j. Ritter teaches finance at the university of florida and the company is losing money. They do need external capital. If we weights and the market turns it might not be able to raise as much capital erik gordon at the university of michigan's ross school of business says there's also pressure are from early investors the venture capital and private equity firms that have funded. We work so far. They want to have a way of turning their investment in your accompany into actual cash. Gordon says there could be some upside to delaying the i._p._o. Though like figuring out how to actually make money according adding to its i._p._o. Filing we work has lost almost three billion dollars in the past three years. Maybe you get to change your story a little bit. You get some time to show some better results and you get a higher valuation. Whatever the timing getting that valuation right is key i._p._o. Investors have to think they're going to make money. Kathy smith is co-founder of renaissance capital which manages an i._p._o. Exchange traded fund. She says investors have been burned by other recent. High profile debuts news shares in uber and lift have been trading at twenty five to thirty percent below their i._p._o. Prices those are large highly valued money-losing in companies so when a company comes out that looks like that now after seeing how uber and lyft performed. They're going to be a lot more cautious. We work declined kline to comment. There are reports. The company might start its i._p._o. Road show to drum up interest as early as next week. I'm amy scott for marketplace. <music> full coming up the average garments worn seven times before it's thrown away way why mother nature isn't really so into your shopping habits but i do the numbers dow dusters up three hundred seventy two points today one point four percent twenty thousand seven twenty eight. The nasdaq advanced one hundred and thirty nine points. That's one point seven percent there and the things that eighty-one sixteen sb five hundred tacked on thirty eight points one point three percent twenty nine and seventy six lather rinse repeat gang so i'm talking about marielle sagarra was talking about the pricing up earlier target among them chairs target ticked up one percent today amazon to and through ten percent shares of walmart down four tenths percent lululemon. The athlete apparel company released second quarter earnings after the bell revenues very nice. Thank you very much stock rallied in after hours. Trading bonds fell yield on the tenure keynote rose to one point five six percent and you're listening to marketplace. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by f._x. Global money transfer specialists reimagining how the world moves money affects six has the expertise to help businesses processing international payments individuals purchasing property abroad or ex-pats sending money family back home. They're secure digital platform is backed act with twenty four seven human support and competitive exchange rates. It's how the world moves money more at affects dot com and by the michigan economic development corporation john romanelli founder and c._e._o. At airspace experience technologies landed his company in michigan. He said it was because he believes in michigan. Revolution is in the air planet agrees. They're working hard to support and grow the state's mobility ecosystem with powerful matchmaking an entrepreneurial resources. The next big thing and mobility is happening in michigan. Find out what planet am can offer your business at platinum dot com. That's p. l. a. n._e._t. M dot com. This is marketplace place. I'm kai ryssdal. We are told and experienced generally bears this out that we're living in the age of peak t._v. Which is great except sometimes right. It feels a bit like a fire hose so so much content so little time and it's only gonna get worse as disney apple in warner media start competing for our eyeballs and subscription dollars in the next couple of months so streaming services are having to get creative to keep us engaged beyond the binge marketplace's. Jack stewart has that one turn on the t._v. And pull up net flicks find the great british baking show and settle in for a few hours on the sofa. That's what show fan. Katie stole had in mind for me. See the beauty of great breaking show. I mean outside of it. Just being a lovely positive heart warming experience is that you sit down and you can watch multiple of them in in a row but disaster. She found a little note saying new episodes weekly. A new season of great british baking show was like sweet. I do not about half to have weekend plans and they've taken away from me. That outrages echoed on twitter amongst betrayed british baking enthusiasts down herbert at the university. The of michigan says it seems like a surprise move net flex made such a name for itself and distinguished itself in the field of streaming or television the because of their binge tactic right netflix has actually been doing weekly releases for years when shows are also broadcast by someone else in a different market doc it set the british baking show is broadcast on channel four in the u._k. And then hits netflix the day after but netflix is experimenting with an original competition show rhythm and flow which will release in batches charlotte. How's studies media and television at boston university. A lot of the kind of streaming platforms are starting to echo a lot of older legacy processes. This is a television like producing week to week. It's what who does with originals like the handmaid's tale and disney platinum apple t._v. Plus will reportedly also go weekly. Howell says the new kids on the t._v. Block realizing that services like h._b._o. May have had the right idea to string t._v. Out give shows a chance to bill buzz and crucially keep people subscribed. I'm jack shoe for marketplace. <music> definition here set up this next item fast fashion clothing. That's manufactured really quickly very cheaply usually overseas and and sold relatively inexpensively at places like walmart and h. m. and our place like that. It's a manufacturing model. That's really bad for the environment though and for the people doing the the actual manufacturing but do about that has been maybe less clear all of it is the subject of a new book. It's called the fashion apples the price of fast fashion and the future of close written by dana thomas dana welcome to the program. Thanks for having me so fast fashion. <hes> we know about as i was just saying. Give me a sense though of the the i mean the impact the scale the effect. I mean there's so many clothes out there. It's mind boggling. There are so many clothes out there you know fashion has grown grown from five hundred million dollars a year business to three trillion dollar your business in you know a matter of decades we throw away millions of tons worth of clothes every are you we burn through close and we keep them less and less we we the average garments worn seven times before it's thrown away and in china's three times which is staggering <hes> but to the purpose of this interview and the book. Do you think the person who is <hes> thumbing through the raxit agent him or what have you realize that or and this is really cynical cares. I do think they care once. They know. I think what happened is that we don't know. It's a bit like the fast food industry. We didn't realize what hamburgers were made of until we read fast food nation than we said. Oh my gosh i had no idea this was all going on behind the scenes from <hes> meet to bunn and tried to do that with the fashion business and show that you know this is where our cotton comes from that synthetic indigo. That's used in our jeans not good for you that the mountains that are going to landfill do not disintegrate or biodegrade because they're made a polyester and polyester is plastic that it's raining micro fibers now we can find it in the rocky mountains. I think once you know that then you think about it but we didn't know it. Let me <hes> mix my corporate metaphors if i might you know how big oil is investing in renewables and and doing all these forward-facing things because in theory realizes that you know eventually we're going to run out of oil and and we're all going to have to <hes> <hes> be more sustainable about it and it's a business imperative for them are their clothing retailers and manufacturers infectious who are doing that. Absolutely h name is doing it in a big way. They're they're going to only what they call sustainable cotton by twenty twenty. That's not organic mind. It's still g._m._o. But it's cleaner and better than than conventional cotton they wanna be climate positive by twenty thirty and they say it's because they want to stay in business forever and they said we know oh that the supply chain as it is today is unsustainable and we won't have anything to source if we keep going at the rate we're going there. Supporting companies like worn again which takes six cotton poly blends in and separates them and then regenerates both into virgin back to the molecular level and then virgin material. They're they're they're on it <hes> but there are a lot of companies that are also greenwashing so you gotta watch out for that okay but <hes> and as you write in this book costs <hes> wins out <unk> over virtually everything. Can you still make this stuff at a price point at which the average consumer says the deal for me i want to buy that. I think the more that the companies take this on the more it will become affordable also yet. It's okay if we pay more than were the nineteen ninety nine. One of the biggest surprises says i learned when i was working on the book was a piece. I read in the new yorker from nineteen forty. The talk about hattie carnegie selling suits the secretary special as raymond chandler called it in the long on goodbye for nineteen ninety nine at the height of the depression. We're still paying nineteen ninety nine for sued one hundred years later while the cost of ground beef has gone up one hundred times so i think you know we need to not buy ten things at ten dollars but one thing at one hundred and will already see a difference in our impact yeah but yes all of that but have you met at the american consumer. I mean not to be all of us but come on prices everything prices everything but i think that's the point we i'm trying to make the book that we need to put integrity back into our our shopping and into our purchases and we need to buy things that we really care about notches consume for the sake of consuming then thomas thomas <hes> the book is called fashion apples the price of fast fashion and the future of closed. Its kind of fascinating actually dana. Thanks for your time. I appreciate my pleasure. Thank thank you as always. We've got an excerpt of dana's book for you. It's marketplace that board and and i realize i'm talking my own book here. A little bit but voice is really having a moment actual voice the speaking thing there's the obvious stuff like podcasts right and then the less obvious stuff like learning platforms and gizmos like siri and alexa which means there is a whole lot of voice demand and that's our way into this latest installment of our every once in a while series which we call my economy. My name is miles aucoin. I am the founding managing director later o- of volkmann dot com which is an online marketplace for voices and voice agencies and production companies. Uh we created the company because looking at voice over work from the outside when i originally tried to commission a piece of work i realized that it wasn't quite as straightforward as i wanted it to be and i happen to have a friend <hes> he suggested that perhaps <hes> a business should be started that actually enables companies companies who are looking for voices to find everything in one place quickly and easily the globalization of the internet and the availability of technology a._g. For studios home has really made it possible for a lot more people to get into the voice acting industry and that's made a huge amount of different different types of accents in types voices much more accessible to everyone across across the planet so when we launched we had no voices on the site <hes> we had new clients. We had nothing now. We worked with coming up about two hundred clients and we've you've got <hes> you know about fourteen thousand or so voices on the site. <hes> we get requests for accents that we don't yet have all all the time somebody could call up and say i need a teenage voice from you know some obscure part of the world didn't nobody does voice over work in really early and <hes> and and then the hunt is on and and that's just a matter of time we just we just need to keep building out our our our site in our system and the capability ability to pick up all those accents and you know it. It's populating itself because there's we get we were getting hundreds and hundreds of demos every single day miles to coin a vo quin dot com over in the u._k. Courtesy of our colleagues at the bbc can't do this without you or technically without your voice delasalle. Your economy is doing it marketplace and this final note on the way out today a quick follow onto the couple of weeks ago about how apple said you ought to treat your brand new apple credit card like and and this is real if it gets dirty here's the quote gently wipe with a soft slightly damp lint free micro fiber cloth anyway. I mentioned that on the way to this. S. apple has made much of the fact that the car is made of titanium. How much titanium a bloomberg reporter said his car to a mineralogical at u._c. Berkeley ninety percent titanium. My name is the answer ten percent. Aluminum is the rest of it but here's the question. Why is it ninety percent titanium. Are we gotta go down. Dust up three hundred seventy two today one point four percent the nasdaq advanced one hundred and thirty nine points one point seven percent hasn't p five hundred down thirty eight that is one and three tenths percent amir bowie john buckley eve epstein john gordon herron michaela and betsy streisand are the marketplace editing staff. I'm rozelle. We will see marvin. This is a._p._n.

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The Never-ending CNN Town Hall

"Let me be explicit right now in this podcast. There's some explicit language. Tuesday, April twenty third two thousand nineteen from sleep. It's the gist. I Mike Pesca singer Kate Smith recorded a rendition of God bless America. That was famously played before Philadelphia flyer. Home games in the nineteen seventies. When the broad street bullies were on broad street for one it turns out that during her lustrous recording career, she put some notes on vinyl that were by today's standards, strictly speaking totally and completely racist. I will. Okay. It is not often that you play a song that was considered wholesome entertainment in nineteen thirty one, and you wind up worrying it needed a trigger warning in two thousand nineteen this song and another similarly racist league singed Diddy caused some consternation for the teams that had been playing the Kate Smith recording of God bless America. When the new songs emerged the flyers and the New York Yankees who play Kate Smith's, God bless America. During the seventh inning stretch were put in an odd. An uncomfortable position now, which we are to talk about these new songs emerging. She was in an extremely famous singer. And it's not as if her catalogue was lost to the ages or something anyone who cared to look could have found that she saying racist songs eighty eight years ago. It would be as if in the year twenty eighty four there was some Madonna backlash. Because someone found that she sang a song called crazy for you. And in twenty eighty four you can imagine that speaking of mental illness that way will not be countenanced. So the flyers had a decision to make. And I thought this would be one of those multiday tooling and froing and the backlash to the backlash on the who's the real race note. She's out she was out pretty quickly the Knicks to even quicker the flyers covered a statue outside the stadium statue of Kate Smith covered with tarp then removed. It the Yankees decided stop playing God bless America. Or the case myth version released during the seventh inning stretch. I actually upon further review by the book can see why the teams made this decision. What are the costs of sticking with Kate Smith a constant barrage of criticism every day? Criticism for an optional musical choice where one specific version of this song causes you a massive headache. But there are no nine to twelve thousand perfectly acceptable other versions. So those are the cost of keeping Kate Smith. What's the cost of axeing Kate Smith two days on WIP sports radio where you get this call? Yeah. Hey, mikey. It's Tony for fair. What are the fliers doing what next they going to audit? Gritty Borelli all the Yankees have to do is instead of pushing one button push a different button. That's it. And by the way, God bless America. During the seventh inning stretch that is some New York Yankees bullshit right there, the Steinbrenner family trying to insinuate itself between mom and apple pie for the flyers a little bit higher costs. They put her statue up. But those are pretty dumb choice to begin with. When you think about it? There are literally hundreds of people who've played for the flyers or worked for the flyers or supported the flyers who meant more to the success of the flyers than Kate. Smith did seriously who has given. More wins to the flyers Kate Smith or sir guy. Bob row sqi clearly at sir guy. Brow sqi, it's not the flyers fault. They only got a second round or back for after the trade. Brad Marsh deserves a statue more than Kate Smith. Peter Zell statue more than Kate. Smith gets in Osalvo deserves a statue more than Kate Smith. I knew the day would come when I got to just list a bunch of Philadelphia Flyers on the show. There was one of the factor going on with this decision. One other factor playing into white people so badly wanted to do away with Kate Smith. I think it's because everyone in their own way knows a Kate Smith what I mean, a person like Kate Smith, you know, someone who did something years ago that you might not have done today if she were alive and not one hundred eleven years old. I mean, people know an actual person then Kate Smith between Kate Smith cat Smith, Kathy Smith, Catherine Smith, everyone knows one. If you went down to your average high school girls softball game in Mecklenburg county, North Carolina. I'd say most of the middle infield would be named Katie. Smith and not exactly sure how that plays into the quick reaction. But if you compare it to the time when Alcan PANA said something racist or the time when Don I miss it, some racist stuff and those guys last for days, I think it's something to think about when the racist person shares a name with someone you don't want to think of as racist you immediately strike out against the racism because we couldn't live with Katie Smith. What k- Smith is racist? Not that Katie Smith. Okay, fine. Just all put it behind us. Great. Are we done? Excellent. Now, we could all go back to not carrying about hockey on the show today. It's a CNN town hall, actually, it's five in a row a lot of content. I say set the spiel to double speed and you'll have saved four hours fifty three minutes. But first, she is an actress director writer and the star of a new sitcom based on the age old idea of the fish out of water, and it works, and that is how good lake bell is at her job. She pulls off the fish out of water will at the same time being named after a body of water, you know, in a way Goethe achieve something similar in his career. But still this is a milestone sitcom history, the delightful, even more so than Avery Goethe bell. I do. So love my cats. Let me tell you a little bit about them all of our he he's definitely going to be the one to protect us from the squirrel outside when the squirrel shows up near our window that guy he's got his hackles raised and he's ready to fight. Thank you all of her downside when he's hungry. He'll jump on your face Layla on the other hand. She's great with the licking of the face. Lots of looking at the face. That's both a good thing in a bad thing. Yeah. Looks both ways. But there is one thing about the cats. I don't love so much. It's the litter box, which is why arm and hammer created new cloud control litter. There is no cloud of nasties when you scoop it is a hundred percent dust free free of heavy perfumes and help reduce airborne gander from scooping. The what happens in the litterbox stays in the litterbox new cloud control cat litter by Armin hammer. More power to ya. Late bell is an actress and writer and director who you know. And she's out with a new ABC series called bless this mess. I wanna get into all of this. But there's so many ways I could introduce her. And I think I want to introduce just by quoting this line from an article that the telegraph ran about her for bell is far more than simply a hot. Actress who regularly appears on lists of the world's most desirable women and uncovers of men's magazines happy to get her kid off was gratifying. Telegraph, no. Allow a piece of sex me enjoys being naked. Thank you. Like off appreciates it. That is quite an intro. Incidentally, you know, I look I've got two kids now. So I'm like, thanks for the knowledge -ment, you know. Yes. Thank you. But no, I look I think at the end of the day. I don't think, you know, just because I'm like or editor producer. You know, doesn't mean that I can't have an entity or can exude feminity that I'll come on what exude them. Listen. I mean, come on kids. This is what I want to talk about to go million places. I wanna talk about actually this show where you think it fits in our cultural, firmament or media landscape or cliche, and how it comes to be. So you're an executive producer? Also. Right. So so I I create Liz, Mary, whether I co created it, right? So we sat on a couch thought of the ice awesome. So Liz, Mary weather is good girl. No. The new girl are used to say. But you said the new girl. So wrong. Well, all right. But I don't wanna say vote game of thrones. I don't want to be one of the listen the night is young could. I could she's creator of new girl. She's really funny, you know, her from where we knew each other from she wrote, no strings attached. And I was in it, and I kinda played ostensibly like her personage like her play her, and she wrote herself kind of into it. And then I played her. So we became tight on that. And then years past you know, we went off and did our own things. She was on new girl, and like becoming a TV like, masterpass, you know, of all of all trades. And and I then was making indie movies and doing all kinds of other stuff over here. And then we kinda came together. Like, she got hitched. She got knocked up. I had two kids. And all of a sudden we found ourselves. Hitch to knocked up not the movies for action knocked dot with could be confusing the people. Oh, yeah. Totally totally. I'm in both great movies. Yes. What happened to us? But then we found ourselves having coffee on on a couch in my house. And I was like, hey, you know, I brought you over here because it was wondering would you ever want to know that new rules would you ever want to make a TV show? And she was like I was waiting for this call, you know, she's like finally, let's do this. Because I felt like I don't wanna do TV unless they do it with Mary weather, like I just felt like if you can't do art arsons abilities like were aligned we were, you know, we're friends, but we also have a comedy language and away of relating to each other that that was her Mona's, you know, so ABC shows are of type I was looking at the entire ABC slate. They're all about families. Every single one is about a family and often there's a fish out of water element to it. Or right one little thing off that makes it it's the family that you know, with this little twist. So you're twist is your yours in Nebraska and her newlyweds. So we're, you know. Here a year into just a year into it. So it's not like we have a big family or anything. It's it's the newlywed game. That was the definition of newlyweds within the first year. Yes. Yes. Newlywed game. Rules, say some say may help. Yeah. It's it's it's a it's a good way to live. But yeah, I feel like they're newlyweds that was really interesting to us like, Liz. And I would we were talking about it. We're like, you know, what we both were sort of somewhat newly married and really enjoying the fodder for comedy within the space of leg. You know? You're trying to be you put your best foot forward. You're trying to be your best version near self. And then you throw it into something quite extraordinary and the onion starts to peel away. And you infer all the shit. That's like, you know, really unsavory or just annoying. And that's when things get interesting, you know, so fish out a water is also something that I just love that trope. I love that game. He, you know. So how does Dax become involved? Well, Dax it's funny when we wrote the show we were like, let's just write it and Dak shepherd's voice. Like that guy. Right. He's just it's there his comedic, timing everything. And so when you write you can put anyone you want you can cast as you will. And so we use ducks. And then when it came time had met him like in the line at the pickups for the kids like our daughters went to the same preschool. And there's that other actor. Yeah. L A over, you know, my name's bell. Do you know? And then so when it came time to offer it to him, you know, I did have his number because we went to the same preschool. So I was like all look on the preschool she'd texted after being no way. Falls through because no one has the number of the gone from the preschool. She got the phone tree is why most major networking every day. Jesus christ. So as such you're pretty much obligated to go on his talk show, right and debate like monitor I feel like it's really cool. It gets you up into the attic, you know, works with. I I know I know. Armchair expert. But I would I would say is like because I hang out with tax all day long shooting. I feel like I've been on. Armchair, like all I do is talk to him about let you know life and everything, and you know, we're both helping updating and I'm like, oh, we did it we like. But what if it gets real what? If the armchair expert episode like takes you to places, you have been less, and I don't know. I feel like we've covered everything at this point. I'm like Jesus Dax. What are we gonna talk about? You know, if we do it. But, but he's he's awesome. He's like he's just he's so he brings so much to it. And it's really he's really fun to improvise with and the two of us like it's integral that the core. Couple. You're rooting for them and very like ping pong. You know, we have an ease to kind of like, you know, pitter-patter with our comedy, which is really fun in the next to the sort of slow cadence of Ed Begley junior and Pam Grier. Just like emanating warmth and love and this brings me to. I mean, AVI. Obviously, you wanna have the best funniest people. But it seems like your career is more. So that than others like if you look at the cast of of children's hospital, and if you look at some of the even the movies that you've done your casting, the best funniest people wear, you could just say, let them go just laugh, and you can't go wrong. And you have you have Dave CAC ner. Oh my God. Do I have Dave? I didn't know that Lenin park Lennon Parham Parham. She is like plays are ase. They're just like hard comedy. You know, you just let them loose, and you give Espen your mom, your mom. I looked at it's plausible but on the border. Oh, are you kidding? The twenty difference is what I'm saying is as she got to it got to it. But also I play we play different ages in the show. Yeah. Yeah. Acting it seems to me also that there are more jokes per minute than in a lot of the stuff. I see. And I'm wondering if if it was let's. Just go for it as much as we can. Let's try to pack it with as many jokes or almost like, well, I just I sense that it used to be the idea of sitcom e was every three lines had to be a joke. And that was criticized, and then it was seen as you know, this is so much better. Not everything has to be in service of joke and all the sitcoms got a lot of praise because they were so real, and I would say I'm give that sitcom praised. But you know, it's not very funny. Most of the time, and then no one seemed to care. But now, maybe we're in an era where there can be succumbs with lots of jokes. I felt new girl had locked lots jokes. I kind of love lots of jokes and this com is more lots of jokes tight. There's definitely lots of jokes in it. But I think we have lots of jokes because we are were after earning heart. So where like, you know, at the end we were like yet, we're going to go for some hard guys. So buckle up. You know what I mean? So we're like Joe Joe Joe pow let's feel playing formula sins episode. Oda the family would argue that that's great. That's not a bad. It's not a bad structure. So here's my last question. It's about something related to a world. When I started in radio, they probably overcorrected for having accents and talking like regular people. And I was you know, people would right in saying, why are you letting this guy in the air and that was wrong. But I do think that there is something to craft an articulation. And maybe if you wanna even and this might not be fair, but a deep resonant voice, look, we're putting our time into the craft of doing this. Right. And now if it's just game on anyone could talk, and hey, you're my buddy. Maybe I'm a couple of things I'll blow the whistle on me. Maybe there's a lot of craft that goes into that that I'm not accounting for. But it does seem like a loosening of standards rather than differentiation of standards. But I'm wondering as the tour of that film. What you think I really feel that you it seems like you're having some. How about a certain type of voice in a craft. And I think that that still exists. But after all, I think I think there's a place for the sort of like really acceptable kind of lake AM just me a memory gal. I'm regular guy over two we might be. But then there's also a huge like group of announcers and commentators that have a more traditional both men and women shnell sound. Yeah. It is true. And I do notice certain products. Like all the cell phones are with the, hey, I'm your pal. You could say exactly you could say the same for acting. Okay. It's like there's people that would you think of like YouTubers, or, you know, inner sort of like Instagram stars all of a sudden getting TV show, you know, and like being in movies, and I'm like, that's the way it changes. Like, that's I think those people are really smart initially. It was like, whoa. That's intimidating right? Like, I went to drama school in England. And I studied for years, you know. It's like, and now like how can I all of a sudden share the stage with with people who just did it out of their living room? And I'm like God damn they are innovative. And so like I like that Embiid and doing it for yourself. Like, that's incredible. There are people I follow on Instagram that I put in the TV show because I saw their Instagram, and I was like third hilarious, and they're prolific and they're making stuff in. They're doing something. They're not sitting on their asses saying, you know, we should be in the movies or to you know, it's like they're like putting it out there and that energy in that force paid off for them. And I'm like, I got a commend that you know. So if you agree with lake do what she did start a network TV show and give your Instagram heroes jumps. It's pretty simple bell is a star of the new ABC's sitcom bless this mess with Dax Shepard New Yorkers moved to the Brassica and the house ain't good. Thank you. Brought to you by GS k. If we map the genetics of disease could we change? Its course a GS k we know the information encoded in our genes provides vital knowledge, so we're working with partners to coded using technology like an advanced search engine we can spot the patterns that lead to diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's because by denting the patterns that cause disease we hope to transform how patients are treated in the future. And now the spiel five presidential candidates who are probably already in New Hampshire. What a coincidence participated in a never ending interlocking series of town halls each more intricate than the last not really the reason that CNN did one after another after another after another after another town halls, quote unquote town halls was because of Democratic Party rules. The rules say that have candidates share the stage at once accounts as debate. And that would be breaking the rules. So all the candidates who are each staking claim to being the fresh new game changer who dares to think big. So all these candidates submitted to audience an anchor questions because otherwise they'd be breaking the rules. Come on HR, just invite John Delaney to the stage at the same time as you show your rebel. No. Well, okay. Then why don't you Senator field question from Shannon, a student at the university of New Hampshire. I Senator high a man who is equally or lesser qualified than I am will automatically make more money than me. So my question is what will you do to close the wage gap? And make sure that women are paired paid a fair rate Senator klobuchar allow me to feel this Shannon. Thank you for your question. You are wrong. That is an insane thing to say or maybe you don't know the definition of automatically that could be a problem if you're going into the field of dictionary editing in which case, I would say the wage disparity is warranted. Senator klobuchar did not say this. I will play some of France right past the equal pay. That would be a very good thing. We already passed the Lilly Ledbetter act that was something that we really proud of that made it easier for women to contest, these kinds of cases when they. In the workplace. I think also making it easier for women to get the kind of jobs. They should I would love to pass the ER a, right? Get that cemented into law across the country. And then make sure we have role models across the country because you know, that movie Hidden Figures, maybe a better movie to site would be the never ending story because it wasn't and you won't automatically get less money. Now, you'll probably get less than some of these other kids in the audience who went to a slightly different New England based institution. Junior at Harvard Matola, she's a freshman at Harvard for sophomore at Harvard from Compton is a senior at Harvard University from Massachusetts Filo from Arizona. He's a freshman Harvard or support or studying sociology and chemistry at Harvard. Leo. We'll get into Harvard yet everyone there got into Harvard. The questions they asked were pretty good. You gotta wonder you got to wonder though, how how did they get in? What did they have something special to write about on their application essay on that issue of climate? I want to bring in Madeleine woods senior at Harvard from Colorado. She was raised on a wolf sanctuary. Okay. Now. Chris Cuomo the moderator who you heard there. He went to yell which is about as good a schools Harvard. I'd say yet the quality of the questions maybe not as good as the kids were asking. What does that mean? In the context of. This frozen pizzas a food group. But it should be allowed in school lunches. Actually, I want to be fair to Cuomo. He actually wound up nailing the Senator down on the question. If she thought frozen pizza is okay in school lunches. She said it was, but she also allowed that the sauce shouldn't count as a vegetable which had come up earlier in her career. It's good to know. Senator Elizabeth Warren also handled a bunch of questions from Harvard students, but also regular old undergrads who were raised by humans like Jacob Dwyer from Saint Anselm college, you'll often been vocal critic of police and the criminal Justice system, both the state and federal levels as a young Masschusetts voter and aspiring police officer. Who's lived through countless tragedies, including the recent murders. Sergeant Gannon of Yarmouth not, sir. Michael Chesney of Weymouth. How can you assure me that you will support legislation that keeps law enforcement safe now allow me to answer this question Senator Warren? You know, countless has no true definition. But the most commonly agreed to definition is too high to count. And that's why you are wrong. The national law enforcement officers memorial fund tracks officer fatalities going back a couple hundred years and since seventeen ninety one hundred twenty seven police officers in the state of Massachusetts have been killed by gunfire. So it's one every other year throughout history. You wanna talk recent history about one a year on the other hand what we've done in America is weaponized police departments militarized police departments funded police departments to the hilt. So actually the chance of an officer being killed in the line of fire is the lowest it's ever been in the nation's history. Maybe and I'm all for the safety of officers, of course. But maybe it would help if we recognized where civilization has made progress and not just walk around perceiving. We're under assault when we're actually not. Of course, Elizabeth Warren would lose if she said that even though it's true. What you did say was more gentle and not confrontational like me. Emma, jerk Muhoza podcasts. She's a politician and she talked about reform. And in fact, she talked about one of the very officers that the student had mentioned. Vans. Tragic death in Massachusetts. I wrote an op-ed with his parents about asking for our leaders across this country to step up and pass them sensible gun safety laws. Clearly Booker was not invited to the town hall. Get he was present in a way that didn't really reflect well on the Senator scissor jumbo sophomore at Harvard. You can tell from sweatshirt from New Jersey studying environmental engineering sweatshirt are Java. He's is a former interim for Senator Cory Booker says he's currently undecided on who to support in twenty twenty somewhere from a house in Newark Accrai of no, JIMBO. No could be heard Senator comma haras showed up. I don't know that she put any more meat on the bones of the proposals that she offered in her. I n townhall. She actually ran into a little bit of trouble during that one because she endorsed version of Medicare for all that might eliminate all private insurance and she had to walk that back a little bit last night. She. Aided closer to the vast. She said this this because it doesn't end there. She also said this I will also say this. I guess you have to tell us that tell you that goal recession. I'm really interested in having that conversation there's talking and there's doing Senator Harris has a habit of talking about talking about what you'd like to be doing mayor Buddha. Djidji was in the house. Of course, he was he went to Harvard like everyone else, they're Buddha. Jit one point gave the normal politician answer about the economy of the future, citing exceptional initiatives. That are just that exceptional. They're the exception. Meaning they're not easy to scale take for instance, this one where he addressed the loss of manufacturing jobs. We can make trade work for our communities. One of my favorite examples, actually is a union auto workers UAW facility in Saint Joe's of county where I live that is making electric vehicles for a startup based in Silicon Valley where the funds and a lot of. The investment came from China, which is a nice anecdote, but how replicable is it on a large scale as policy which is what I was thinking until two sentences later when Buddha said this that facility, I was telling you about making electric vehicles, even though they're planning to make something on the order of thirty to fifty thousand cars does it with hundreds of workers, not thousands, or tens of thousands the way it used to work in the Studebaker days when when south bend was an automotive center that part's not going to change so manufacturing can continue to grow stronger in this country. But it's going to be less and less labor intensive less and less human beings on the floor per dollar of output, honest. It's accurate it contrasts with all the big beautiful jobs coming back. Just tired of winning Bernie was at the event Senator Bernie Sanders actually showed a sense of humor next question. Gabriel cedar sophomore at Harvard studying government from Minnesota. Gabriel highs under what is one thing that you have changed your mind about recently. Nothing. I've been consistent for just going. And then he offered what headlines on CNN said. And these headlines got play everywhere. The perfect answer on the question of should we impeach Donald Trump? If and this is an if if for the next year year and a half going right into the heart of the election all that. The congress is talking about is impeaching Trump and Trump from Trump and Mullah Mullah Mullah, and when not talking about healthcare when talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage when not talking about combat climate change when not talking about sexism, and racism, and homophobia and all of the issues that concern ordinary Americans what I worry about is that works to Trump's advantage. So I don't know what's perfect about that. The supposition is that an impeachment inquiry will prevent the Democratic Party. From talking about racism, really know members of the Democratic Party are going to talk about racism, again, if Donald Trump is impeached, you've been to the online part of America. Right. You know? I bet actually this would be the most compelling argument for impeachment to the exact mythic persuadable former factory worker in the midwest. If you tell that guy the out of work machinist from Muncie who was persuaded into the Trump column, if you told him we'd be embarking on an experiment, where Democrats won't be talking about racism, and he'd be saying wait, I don't have to hear fights over who is the biggest homophobic for the whole election. If the Democrats just go for impeachment. I will have to think about impeachment. So that was not in fact, a perfect answer. But Bernie Sanders give a perfectly Bernie answer. He was asked should prisoners not ex-cons people currently imprisoned. Should they get to vote? And the example suggestion suggested by. The questioner was the Boston bomber. Should he get to vote? And Bernie said yes to this New England audience Bernie said that joke arts should be voting. I guess until he's executed in the federal prison where he's serving his death sentence. Putting aside the specifics, and I don't think radicalized Chechens turned mass, murderers or demographic that's going to be swinging any election soon. But putting that aside you have to acknowledge that Bernie does not ever say anything other than exactly what Bernie thinks, you know, how all those other candidates. I've talked about it. I'm guilty of talk about it. Oh, they're trying to get to the left of Bernie or not let Bernie get to the left of them. Good luck with that. He wants joke arts of to vote. I mean, the guy's citizen. Let him have his say sure is quite concerned about shoring up the Medicare trust fund. All right. Then Bernie took his next question. It was from actually the son of Sam, David Berkowitz. I believe he has a question for Senator Sanders about soybean tariffs now that did not happen. But remember earlier in the spiel where physicians Lee suggested some honest, but polarizing answers that Elizabeth Warren and Amy klobuchar could've given. But of course, they wouldn't give it because they're politicians Bernie would have given those answers Bernie does give those answers birdie blows my mind. Give star of the vote. Sure, I can't valuate Bernie Sanders on the right or wrong continuum. He's just reinventing the game when asked about would his brand of socialism nationalize industries. Here's what Senator Sanders said I was a mayor of city for eight years that I national is any of the industry in the city of Burlington Vermont. I don't think so you just can't fault that answer Janu great. Yeah. Uber. Uber ni I think the man is in fact authentic, and I know that voters love authenticity thing is he's authentically. Let us just say unconventional. And then you have. Komo Harris's answer to should we let the Boston bomber vote. She said this. I think we should have that conversation because she loves talking about talking. And then there was people digits stance. What do you think should people convicted of sexual assault of the Boston marathon bomber? Should they be able to vote while incarcerated? Yeah. No. I don't think so which to my ears is also authentic, but in this case authentically sensible. It was an informative if a might exhausting night. I did not know that the Boston marathon bomber would get mentioned more than Putin Kim Jong Hoon or Jingping combined. But that's what happens when you get five disparate candidates together. No not together that would violate rules. They all feel the questions from a room full of college students. And I think we now all share in the belief that the children are the future teach them right and dissuade them from meeting the neighbor's livestock. And that's it for today show Pierre Biennale Daniel freighter produced the gist could brainstorming session about movies where the titles are alive like unbreakable or a simple plan. Full suspects made the list. Raphael, senior producer of sleep podcasts. 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Dano Cerny

"Hi Dave how're we relive a night that we had together recently do it's the last time we should saying my space facebook friendster soundcloud all of this one's bigger than the rest media platform right which we won't name partially because I don't remember the name of it and quiet down and it's this guy just talking about whatever this social media platform is and how it will help you leverage your influence written but I get an a DM from from someone who I don't know but no on twitter saying coldplay who also has my name but like sure yes absolutely I'll go and And so he sets me up with like her baseball cap on your way down his face so it's twelve minutes before I realize it's Ashton Ashton Kutcher yes just talking about this social media platform group we don't move toward the group grew no because ten seconds later a voice comes bellowing over the din can't grab onto a single not moment or a meaning of anything no and he's draped across the fireplace mantel like scarecrow with wins and scale ability is obviously a huge part of an and all of these things that are just like like words out of a back and and why it's like you know listen we're just you know we're we're talking about the it's a superpower and we wanna make sure that the right people have the superpower at the very beginning which includes us and and then He's like Zorro let's be fair I don't I don't know that it does I don't understand any of it so then he's like let's see uh-huh reaching for a a a nice break yeah and then and then we're talking alone just having anxiety attacks what's happening should we leave a parable is having dinner and she's got a new a new social media thing that she wants to talk about and she wants to be there and I was like certainly you have me confused probably with the you find out that we're going to the same day bungalows exactly which is a thrill because that's an exclusive club that I'll never be invited back to ever ever on in ends up being the Sacramento Bungalows and And so so we ended up going to the San Francisco Bay bungalows to talk about a new social gallon we see Piper pair Bowie Academy we see Debra Messing lounging in the corner Washington leaning on the table star-studded saying an listener this is not this is not the world that I am in I feel okay bringing it up just because it is so utterly weird one of the one of the sort of bigwigs at this social media thing whatever it is got up and said you know it is social media but because of the way that we leverage and scale we hear Debra Messing got up and spoke a few words about how important it's been for her to leverage your influence using scale ability yes and then it because again this is a small group me neither I saw to it okay so I got an invite we show twitter this is the first first thing that happens no of of this thing come on up and then the CEO gets up and just like thank you all for being here thank you Ashton and just once again scale ability and leveraging influence and Whoa my God Oh my God yeah pipe repair bill comes over to US and says I guys I'm so sorry to interrupt dissuade no we're going to get started soon if you WANNA move toward the group joined the we're all going but what is what is literally what is it how do I get there and how to use it no answers nope four different people got up and spoke and everybody had different Zoa lists like as though that was supposed to me like it was in he was involved somehow and was offended that I was asking just the very basic question of what it was he is like actually I'd like to ask Ashton because he has such a massive platform you know how do you actually do the segmenting within your your your I like a tutorial on how to use her phone and she was really absorbing it she was like yeah okay yeah another another great moment for me was me so use whatever the social media platform was if if you find your influence to be leveraged and needed to do some scale I think multiple videos that were all up for multiple awards celebrators yes and I also have a history it's Dan attorney then he's coming up next work and then came back to me with word wests I don't know what it is so since then they've gotten back to me and said well if you'd like to use the superpower own an by the way on the way out there's somebody else they're kind of waiting for his uber or something in the in the vestibule area of the Santo Bungalows and and three with him he's your ex boyfriend that we are going to discuss in this show yeah and he I was kind of nervous going in we have our guest is Dan Attorney who is an esteemed music video director we've talked a lot about the cause the most recent VM as he directed Debra Messing and I have to go on twitter and say like you guys text me like they've done in these video I don't know if that's the thing that I'm willing to do love for you to do it millions of convinced community group and you and what you do is you open up your settings and you go to the dropdown menu on the left and then he's just now we're just in like Ashton Kutcher is giving lick grandma wears it displayed you know what the director doesn't get one shut up for real yeah the one person who made the video I've got like three nominations on its own and then separately I did a video with the chain smokers and BB WREKSA for call you mine and that was nominated and won for best dance video great I I I don't know what it is I beg you to use it simply so we can find out I really should do it I really should do it but if it means like Carrie Washington so I was nominated for best director for LSD video which is which is lab Brent Sia and Diplu and folks who were at that thing right to this guy and he's like so can I ask some really basic question and you're sure what the fuck is it that we were talking about how to use it so you are a via may winner in possession of the actual BMI no not yet that's crazy crazy I know it I do like to explain what it does before we even find out what it does we're rushing into this little room that's cut like library and there's I don't know maybe twenty five people there made hi hi hi there how's it going great so exciting to be here we can't believe you're here and congratulations on your video music award thank you actor and you should check out all his videos if you haven't seen them I'm nervous now just reliving this mall is great you have nothing to be nervous about it's all over now that's right early had faced timer like a proper conversation even since we broke up when we were children by the way but this was we're back with Dan this is so full circle because you're Mr MTV VJ was and is like part of my old life so this is act with all kinds of artists Lantis L. King the chain smokers B B Rex Halsey treats enjoy okay an adventures yeah today's guest this is a very very special episode this uh-huh basic scale ability I I don't know if I can clean but we got to go to those sandy bungalows and drinks for free treats that was a joint speaking Jason Derulo Pentatonic so many yeah you are you are right in there I'm in there yeah doc I do it can you just name drop artists that you've worked with I know it's along sure so I've worked oh it will be less hostile to women immediate action because it's like the thing about women on this platform in immediately takes the conversation doesn't let her say the word so I still don't know what the and they keep saying if you have any questions jump in and wiping saying is it is it to base from you this just raise my hand and say but what what is what is it and why why are surpisingly Cathartic and I mean he is just so have nothing but love for him and he's a brilliant not a preeminent music video director of our time perhaps you can tell you cannot answer this question with any of those artists but who do you listen to listen to like classical music yeah or like self NGO frequencies I'm very weird like because there's so much going on in my ears that sometimes I just need but yeah so the artists because you were nominated you you were worked on multiple videos that were nominated exact name all the nominations all of them absolutely SIA diplo labyrinth of Rabl own forget so many John Leon resetting it's like waking up sunsetting a drinker smoke whatever you got it's perfect you introduced me to cat power the voice is growing up your being kind and maybe you'll direct her next video ad it's so not my thing I'm not like a Lord of the rings guy or anything fantasy but it's so well done with her and whole according locally and luckily actually was the headliner in like Megan the stallion a bunch of people but get in on that mother still around anything on your DVR at the moment or whatever you binging has a filmmaker when we we met when data was a student at American Film Institute Yeah Not too yeah and she left stage for like an hour of the show and we'd because someone like applauded during and some of them are off wow how was courtney courtney is a fucking legend she is in her album for a few months ago I honestly because I'm so inundated with music tracks throughout the week island it's just amazing I mean for me I'm such a fan of practical visual effects as a filmmaker so that kind of Jim Henson world is so and it's actually like a little game of thrones it's really dark like main characters get killed off out of nowhere it's not for children at all join to me so to see that brought back on such a huge scale I just love it so can you talk about your evolution out of own on both sides I listen right now I've been listening a lot to Lana shirt rate I'm still obsessed leaky Lee a little vacation understood yeah but then Alana is out of control it's so dreamy yeah it just fits you too would you love to I would like legit like icons that I you know not necessarily fans of their music but just because they are who they are it's like one TV wise oh my gosh I'm such a nerd adjust binged watched dark crystal oh how was it was it it is so good really it really is come my favorite singer and just saw power ula dea did you know why was out of town this is yeah yeah cap power she's still shy as ever show but the for when I saw her with you during the this was at the peak of her like strictly movies no I mean I I feel like I grew up in like the moment of music videos being at their peak honestly a lot just so inspiring I think there was always this misconception for me that a music video is just like a performance so when you sauce another layer brag but I was in his first film there that's how we met that was that was that film is called the fourteen I connection on the dance floor but it was loud we very loud anyway I was tempted to bring the DVD just to rub it title villain and then I was fearless as well which isn't a well-known film but it's an excellent film with Jeff Bridges directed by Peter Weir was nominated there's a lot there's a lot pack yeah this is your life can assist my life looking back at me so I feel like we should talk music minutes thirteen minutes thirteen tenets and and Matt were a wig and had a British accent it was pretty fun known for best known for probably children of the corn park three I was the main if like Michelle Gone Dri Spike Jones stuff I still consider their though some of the most amazing videos really anything that Bjork has done I I had moved to Prague after high school I was in a film program out there and then I stayed for a couple years just living out there you know I'd grown up in Los Angeles and ESPEC- maybe we can't just listen to anything you had another career before any of this how can you talk about that yeah I was a child actor and then yeah felt like everything was so visual fans music always played such a role I've always loved music I've never had they like it felt so competitive already and so hard to overcome that I was like I need to get away so I went to Prague which is map for English speaking actors and I got cast in an amazing film called the Princeton partout which I also have my own musical talents so I think this was my way of connecting to music was seeing visuals so it's something that comes when I'm listening to sounds of that it was just so exciting as a filmmaker and felt like there was less limitations in there are in other kinds of filmmaking and look where my family's from and after I did some film making I decided to make some money out there so there was actress Sarah do you still ever get weird messages from horror fans are shocked how often I still get it. It's it's a weird mix of Bora and Julie Andrews Brinson me part partout heart don't rush out as a child actor was kind of so inundated with the business at a young age that by the time I got out of high school I'm like who am I like where do I fit in what do I have to say uncourteous who's playing incurred told you at Duckie Yemen then yes they played I don't know there's part and the whole point is that she's like in Denmark or something will the whole thing was like I was going to be her American friend in Denmark so she was like they wanna make more of a fish out of water so literally the day before accent and so I guess that's revenge Oh you're doing bring a British accent you know what they called it a soft transatlantic accent for some Oscars and I think one I think one of your later acting credits you done not really you're going to bring that please oh I'm so in love with you when you were twelve and join people it's so about horror yes how was it for you it was awesome and where was alarming Oddly enough it was in New Jersey right at the writing your name down if someone more important comes they raise your name write that down in your back in the line with my agent we literally were waiting like forty minutes I'm not bringing it up you can figure that somebody bring it out his you when you were living in Czechoslovakia okay I'll do it because they're gonNA mess with them fans go so deep because I know down rabbit holes with the nightmare on Elm Street series and will track all of these actors you know what I mean and I'm sure you know Dave but with the red carpet it's like you basically like are lining up there for you to go and there's like these girls with eraser boards basically who always had something in me creatively to express so even at a young age I wasn't forced into acting I literally couldn't shut up you know for I got a phone call asking if I could do like a Danish accent like what tomorrow just do like a soft so I don't know what it is Missile Center it was my first time doing red carpet which was really fun so I have like a stylist friend dress me in the whole thing yeah yeah we did like a anniversary Ford or something and they asked me to come speak at it and there was like people getting back from where I'm sitting it makes sense that this is sort of where you have because it is so it was so in you even just because I much older and I don't I don't feel like I look like that guy anymore but I'll get it all the time yeah I'll get weird people on social media all dressed up as my character like forty year olds fessed up is thirteen year old children asking all these questions like what did you feel when you shop at all the photographers are still like trying to get pictures of them some standing there on the red carpet no one's looking at me my age there yelling in dancing during the whole thing so my parents were like here do that I haven't shut up since now let's talk video music awards in person chat to it sounds like straight to DVD and it was not the Julia stiles character was a new knows the same oversimplified by different I'd seen on like honestly I was ten years old I've known it was a good experience for you it was amazing like I honestly one of those people keep walking like there's other people and I'm like no I'm gonNA stand here until someone takes my phone so I did maybe like three photos hold your ground yeah the most dehumanizing experience it really was on both sides terrible it's absolutely terrible the red light district you know what I mean all those what were the music videos the that made you be like I wanna do that someday or was it excitability oh you're next and then the Jonas brothers come and all your next Taylor swift and so finally it was like my chance to go and I'm literally walking in what's weird right it's a whole new world it really is it people say to me all the time they're like where do music videos even play anymore like who pays the resist that temptation I wasn't sure if there'd be like a place for a sound bite or something but always on that's and I loved missy so that was a big moment for me did we did we do the after parties did we and a bodyguard like tackles me pushes me away and it's the hadeed sisters and their bodyguards they're not waiting for a fucking eraser and so we kind of hung out for a little bit met little gnaws he's so sweet some just like seeing that whole missy Elliott performance up close with so reach is really crazy right and when one breaks through it really breaks like we were Montreal and I so I was not really check neither now I was like something's and less money and three days to make video better be money so you can remind who else do you WanNa work with Oh my goodness was person you've got to me close personal got to meet Gosh I don't know I saw diplo there which was fun was also nominated came out as well and my boyfriend was there my agent so we kind of had like a party by entourage I wouldn't even you just sort of have to let it go it's true heart palpitations just thinking about it oh my gods it's terrible yeah and even even while you're having a conversation I don't even know we're kind of a golden age of them because of really yeah I think so I mean like I want your way about the ones are still being we did yeah we went to an after party I mean it was New York so it's like a different place for me but it was fun my v Effects Artists the other and and there's just so much to get into I don't even know I guess well the the first thing that happens is that we and they're just walking on their the three women are like you can't just do that like to the going crazy and so anyways so they pushed me out after the deed sisters I love FTAA twigs Oh yeah she so interesting and her last video was amazing lawn certain genre of music yeah do it all let's get you in their cap power being happen Ed also mediocre are still being made but it's like everything can live on youtube and you can kind of in that sense yeah it is still elevate you yeah the can't imagine that being very thrilling video though he can't ask for too too much from her no you don't need too much more than just I basically just WANNA work with like cool people who wanna take creative risks yeah I'm really not bias towards Eh but if they're if there's like a national outlet minute like you know you're going to want to go there the person you're talking to looking out for who else is there it's like a comedy table party everyone's looking around at something else yeah full-time also wants you cleared the red carpet nightmare who who is the one out sixty six okay what charter we look we're looking at the billboard hot one on one hundred and gold standard that is a bummer because it's a fun song although I haven't listened WPRO although is that single doing anything right now I don't think the single is but the video was great unreal you know you have when you're just Kinda just to Bacci both sides just sort of standing there looking like hey you wanna you know either one can kind of go now and it's just sooner or any star so it was you opposite opposite some actor some actors yeah okay I one had Julia stiles in it and this happening with normany and motivation yeah we need to see it I don't know what it is right Hafizi ray because had just bubbled up to it was undeniable who throws those things anymore the record labels I know but like any more five yeah labels yeah this was Columbia Kurds so yeah and like there are people that you want to be talking to of course so if you're talking to like you know the Denver Post or sitting on to like the Denver Post her sorry folks motivation by Normany on week four at number six the number thirty three last week at number fifty and no one ever hears of it or stuff I'm like this is horrible who wants to listen to it and becomes huge what was your first video that really broke through do it since the day after day so weird what hits what doesn't yet honestly sometimes I'll have tracks on like this is going to be huge to the most on LSD we're gonNA take a little break we'll be right back with attorney one of those weird like total love at first sight light just looking across the room at each other is for Yoshi Joshi back yet it's it's awesome how did you meet funding we met at a Halloween party further entire album so that kind of became like my biggest foot in your calling card and I think so yeah and because they kind of just but now it's the LSD video now were I mean that would be your new oh yeah I think so I think so I think it's like who were you was he contests this but I was Joan Hall from Brokeback Mountain. He says it doesn't Yeah we're back down oh he's had a moment's beautiful moment your cohabitating we moved recently yeah we just got a a little house in North Hollywood nice about Oh yeah we're not gonNA get into it unique in it feels very much me I definitely like if I look back at anything had the most creative control and got to do what I wanted trusted me to do weird stuff so we had like a talking animal with like weird psychedelic lights yeah yeah yeah has Yoshi from Mario Kart events too much effort exactly so he had the full get up like it was just as head sticking out ed but I don't know if it was if it charted yeah some I'm looking at my resources right now what are you mentioned your own charts yeah you mentioned a boyfriend yeah well I live in North Hollywood Oh good I need valley friends good I've been in the city forever and so coming back I grew up in the valley yes and I'm coming went up to he came up to me which was part of the appeal as well what I thought was him just being really brazen and confident just like this is going on there Well I have a boyfriend it's GONNA be almost three years Bor and I gather from instagram the dinner wine in some appetizers and just talking okay I like to talk and this this was in California this was in la I would say romantic life com trying to find like a word other than slutty decide that like we're GonNa date just because of that first meeting I was so cautious from the even though he did nothing else to show me that he was but was it slutty I mean you did you see you you were in some serious relationships Oh yeah but then periods of very happy how would you characterize your word romantic life prior to meeting him I'm like Oh this fucker so I was like okay I'm not going to think twice about it and then he followed up and called and it was like I know I was so yeah to check to check those charts let's see any other chart updates Lizardo is still number one that's not imagined truth her to be the one that over and he's like I'm really attracted to I'd love to go on a date with you we're GonNa get married like this I was like this guy hey all right so he's been here he yeah he's here for like ten years but on it took me like three months to really reiterate as was I twenty four and twenty one nobody's at their best yeah but I would say you were doing great mm I it's very strange circle back home juice seemed like such that didn't really make any noise either I mean it did Iraq but I really meant it and saying okay I'll give you a chance and so what was it per state first date would I wanna say like and then like an hour later realize like oh he's shit faced drunk like so drunk and he likes like another guy started talking it to me will we met Doing Dana's Oh yeah Matt auditioned for my first cycle foam af I and we didn't fool around or any to make sure this was a good guy and he is just the kindest man ever use a very cute together on they're very happy and but I have enjoyed being single in May sure single moments single for three years before I met Chad Awhile I was very much in my worst in all ways this is the first time we've ever interviewed someone either of us had we're in a relationship yeah go ahead and break the ice on this topic Dano and Makaki once upon a time went out yes yeah you guys were in your twenties out because I was basically like in jeans and acute cowboy shirt that calixte check it yeah I thought so you made some effort he on the other hand I remember that being like a thing for you at that time yeah like I guess because I was in school so I felt like that was my life path with and we've never really talked about post any no we habit I mean we've had so many warm exchanges yes persistent for one hundred years we're still we're still close she lives in Park City Utah now but it was guy was just like a fluke but it's like a weird first impression so I just want to make sure yeah and I you know I'm so protective of my heart that I really want big big thing yeah that I had this assistant job working for Kathy Smith America's leading fitness expert of course who lived in Santa Monica the bearings Yoshii Yeah so really I plant beefy so what was your who yes swinging between yeah no I think that's definitely been like a relationship oriented person and always wanted that I I liked that one on one connection it became a thing and then it became a real thing and and so during this time no no but I lived off a beach when you were at U. C. b. all the time it was like a good thank through the whole process writer fashioned right no but we work kind of like there was like an energy there yes it was it was it was like an intense project tell my friends who are working and stuff and I think that that that definitely casts a shadow over but but we had yes yes I was even you're younger than I yeah I was twenty two enrolling twenty one yeah only because I was so immature that's I just want Sean project crying all kinds of on camera on campus in the trailer no no no no although that's I felt like was a stepdaughter essentially how old was she she passed away when she was fifteen a tough gig and it was a tough life and also felt like I was the I was older I should be further along I'm comparing myself but yeah I remember for you it was just really hard because you wanted to be doing so much more young felt stuck and I feel like that rubbed off in many those a big amazing a solid year Oh yeah no for sure right I mean you're squarely I'd say I'd say so too I for sure I you know I don't know what I was doing for work but I was your cat I was working for caveat probably yeah and what that didn't matter you know like we always together and Dano had a pug named Sheila who I love very much and Rachel were on a break we're not broken up yes yes where that then when we got back together we're fighting about what happened during that break as Matt what is your sh she unlike what is it used dinosaur something I gotta got yes but yeah it was it was in the most amazing way she didn't suffer and she didn't like prolong anything she literally just like woke up you're my first love nothing for me well I came out a lot earlier than you did yeah you're my first boyfriend actually Dan with the dead dogs where she when our relationship passed away yes you know I think it was I was definitely the bad guy I was definitely the you know on paper probably yeah because with me I feel like you broke up with me that was also adding things which brings up an interesting topic was the Jennifer Aniston thing in effect it I thought that there was one in Prague before there was some yeah but it was like I knew I was coming back to La so I didn't really get invested but it was a relationship in Prague but when I can one day and it was like I'm going to die yeah I was like Oh something's not right and I took her into the clinic and they're like lever here for back to La House like okay this is this is the first time like friends remaining boyfriend exactly family man with his family because they also live in La and yes so then so it was an it was an ugly in like painful and as a lot of them are in their twenties but how did it how was the news delivered from math. Yeah I think we were like in my kitchen or something in you the connection totally embarrassing by might as well it mid There was like we can go back we can Dave Houston interest. That's it's a homeless idea I yeah was it for you I felt like it was it was from me more so because I'd never it was my first break and my first heartbreak I think and you hours and they called me two hours later and they're like the subject right away a song about his former sex partners which was hard for me in the relationship by but then I think afterwards I was very yeah yeah I got you like figure birthday or something like your first stone dvd set yes I still I still have Jennifer Aniston by the UC be doing a show where you're talking about like your sex partners Melissa worsely plans yeah so his bit was like Gripe before Valentine's Day or something on Valentine's Day that's my Maria say there was a very like Ross and just feeling so like sad an email about it I remember like reaching out to you a lot like still wanting back together again it's okay like and we did yeah but I remember also like I was such because I was so heartbroken was it face to face yeah but I kind of don't remember I don't remember exactly but I think part of me was like Oh we're gonNA get yeah that was somebody that I barely dated but yeah no you were uncomfortable the Lawrence o. much from that and I and I know we had contact after that and so each other briefly but the next time I it's like you and me girl very dramatic and beautiful it was it was it was a dramatic time twenty s But also the first time I knew oh I have you know been forgiven it's not you know remember really seeing you is was years later when you were walking past target and L. I'm going to be one of the guys in his song though viewers never one of the guys in the song really there is a child actor when strangely that is not you the first time doing that I've moved in with someone it's our first time having a house together in creating that together and really just being in a place using the kitchen then what was your process of putting it back together after break up a lot of like listening to sad music and some nights that I knew you were performing at UC house like so heartbroken and I remember like driving to Gilson's parking lot and like sitting in my old votes yeah but I yeah I was shortly after that was over it the got out in your with like all the girls and you're like laughing and smiling and I was just like oh like and that's when it hit me as okay he's moved on like he really has the two thousand guests along came polly perhaps no because it was that I don't think they could afford that in this no onto probably almost three years and now I'm fourth hopefully last so you're like you're in for the long term a just like pulled over oh left the car running and just got out and that was so fun yeah and you're shocked to senior just left the car running yeah level at the time and having Shayla on my lap and I'd sit there and wait for you to get out of the show to see like if you're happy or not and I remember one time he collection yes there it's like picture perfect to my affection and all the classics rumor has it probably one of our other probably early of my life where I I know this is what I want and no dogs very soon oh yeah like carrying around own no I never I mean maybe like a year after something October succeeding I can't wait time the holidays are just around the corner we have all this space now so it just makes sense who put me so I didn't have like which no one saw everyone was like this was going to end I don't want to bring up anything uncomfortable but how so since then what's been your dating history between between so your premier performance and your my heart is still like attached to it so plainly like healed from it we just planted her ashes in like a tree in our backyard and so yeah the crazy I don't know what you know about my dad I know little stay my dad came out of the closet Oh wow at age seventy for years now and this way with relationships too I have such a loyalty whoever whatever that was can't just jump into the next thing bats so my my boyfriend has a cat what's going on with you in this cat it's a love hate relationship down do you see the scratch no rationed dog is GonNa be interesting dynamic but I've waited so long like when my other dog pathways probably first and then I was with them a publicist for like two years and then I had another relationship for being in one bedroom apartments they're still best friends though so interesting so talk me through what was mm-hmm Just getting more and more settled in my ways and I still feel like there's so much I wanna do I don't know how that would work because when we hadn't really spoken since then I think Shayla had just passed away you're aware of that yeah and lands been to rescue a dog we were going to go after the amazed but now we're GONNA go out of town again end of this month hoping other than marriage marriage babies any of that stuff is yeah we talk about it but not seriously yet now I now I know he's telling me all these stories too much like Lori Holes and Oh my God you know crazy things I'm looking back like oh I remember like sitting at home with my mom doc and is he older younger he's two years older Yeah Mom Dad Mom and dad are great I'm GonNa ask like what are the social options for a senior gay so it's very interesting like I've offered with my boyfriend with him to bars and like helping his wing man he goes I don't need the time I get home I just like lift him in my arms I'm really trying to train him to to be more dogleg yet to be more like docile and affectionate and I think the kids were already of the house me and my brother and for some reason they decided to stay together which is sort of beautiful it's like honestly it's so weird with having children I always thought I would and now the older I'm getting the less sugar how to like feel it out select the cats

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Mudbone Fanline - The Power Trip After Party

The Power Trip After Party

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Mudbone Fanline - The Power Trip After Party

"It's the power trip after party presented by golden lights army podcast for a was a tuesday december. Twenty second twenty. Twenty one hundred twenty presented by michelob. Golden light and Welcome to a top one hundred podcast. Everybody at we're is sauce and hawk. Are they doing something else. You're tired you didn't hear. Oh they already quit. They left me. I'm sure we'll figure it out back for years. How did you your impromptu improv. Went when hawk dropped a bomb on you that you guys we're going to do a segment in twenty thirty five without telling you seamless. I talked too much. Because i figure if i start talking then something will come out. That's how you feel you. Were the host haug puts you in the hr he said host max fuller right. Yeah i mean. I kind of was a little bummed out and i'm still the only black person k. Fan and twenty thirty five in the morning show through the rest of the line of is just nothing but african h- wouldn't that be great And brand was just like the producers like imagine they're all a made for maxon zach to do whatever they want and brands some people think might Think there's legitimate like animas like jealousy. Whatever but i feel like his conversations you legitimately gonna play a producer very happy with that and there is a lot of this sort of a difference between going after a host position and a producer position. And there's some people that just want to do one or the other in some are good at both but not everybody. So i think yeah. We filled our role mean a lot of work to be done but at the same time maybe one day maybe one day some holiday show maybe the vegas show or the the pardon for vegas show. They'll give us a shot. And because i did one year with ben lieber just timid i and then we i think marnie actually came in when you guys are going to vegas. We fly out on wednesday morning. But we're probably going to be going. We hopefully will be going now this year. We should do best of and just let everybody come with really should an or just do it from the airport. Do it on the plane or we talk about brand celebration dance after her initials with improv. Is that a. Is that a dance move. You go to a lot of the clubs out just pure emotion just trying to express itself. I know it's hard for you to graph ear punches in there and then whist someone's face a lot of a lot of emotional very very happy turn for you. Sauce went to his phone faster than any humans ever gone to his phone from losing initials going straight to twitter. Three point six seconds later goodwin. What's what's he doing over there right now. do you think texan or tweeting. What what what are you. Snap burst taxiing smith Tell me what you guys were saying. Please and be honest. Fucking around being a fucking dick. I wasn't texting smitty. You what were you doing. I was looking at an email. No you typing. I saw you me fingers. Yeah never mind. Let's hear your echo. What if you're not gonna tell us max is gonna guess max. What was he doing. Freak media wouldn't tell us about that. Can i know about it but it was. He was updating rankings list of Greatest male black porn stars. Scott is bbc rankings. It's gotta be lexington up three opening your grief. I'm not reopened it at work all right so you had. What was your top five. Well it's gotta be lexington steele one. Oh yeah what about. What about the mud bone though man. Isn't it fake though wasn't fake. Yeah i heard it was fake. Wasn't really i heard. It was fake. Payton jordan crane haberman shay. Yeah it literally down to his knee. No have you ever seen like yeah. No it's pretty crazy is okay who cares. It's it's crap right hardware. Keep looking at bbc. Your personal computer. I think there was a caveat specifically about bbc in. Yeah it's because it's twenty twenty eight progressive so now. What were you really doing now. Just texting my buddy. Patrick and what. He's fallen between patrick in the to this right mud on mud bone fake penis. Here's what we're gonna do one word right now. Cory cory and i are gonna act out the texts exchange between you and patrick right now can resolve your sauce pattern. Yeah who's this. it's meat sauce. Hey sports fans hold on one. Second zach is ruined ed. I'm in the midst of something. That's an elephant trunk. Think fake. don't look at that. Got brands sexual saying that. Doesn't i don't know well. Zach is celebrating the now celebrating dried up like an old prune other script of the porno. They like yes. We're gonna ask us out. On the the definition on urban dictionary of ogi mudbound. No g mud bone was a porn star. Who is known for his ridiculously large sea shots and is horrifyingly loud orgasm. His dick's totally fake though. I mean it's like eighteen inches long. This sounds like a legitimate source probably has twenty five different viagra prescriptions and then the use it in a sentence. Og mud bone. Oh yeah just get it in there and look at my massive random woman. I've never had this one had one this big before. Oh gee oh i'm gonna. I'm gonna talk literally offended brands. She left because she said she has the p unless she's just completely turned on six turned out. She turned on by the reenact. That reads porn scripts like james lipton. Used to read questions. Just t yeah. Knowing that i loved lifton to man. Yeah he passed away right. Did james lipton brands gone. And we're done talking about show. How did you want us to reenact that or do you feel like we said hey babe. Hey who's this meets us. Hey patrick ho. Hey patrick what's going on man. You're sorry to get him. So i'm telling you i got you more weed. A drug mule names that who looks up on the internet on computer on this again. This meat sauce paul ban. Bang your dad. Yeah same guy. Hey i've been big. Give them a call. I can't call them anymore. Why i left my phone. His asshole overtime right now. I'm using a cordless phone cool. Cory cory cove right. Yeah yeah he's my lover cash. Those tickets now know what you mean patrick. Yeah what's going on number one. We used to go to details. Listened to the dude blocked by number when you shit on the florida. And there's that one time. When i used to deal drugs when i would do pizza. Yeah remember when you do drugs and you do pizza do we. Were transmission man members work. I've ever done people on the line you'd be like used to work on your transmission people who come from all over the twin cities for your trade work remember. Yeah they'd call me meets us and they'd go those see shots. I don't think you understand. He meets us milk bunkers. You'd like your mind pedrick. come your voice. Sounds like mine right on the same circles. Man we did the same fucking drug. Okay yeah drug meal. Name sack colorado. You need something is that. I've heard rumors about zach. Saliva rumors are drew. The brewers are the rumor. Isn't that what the grow your money. That's what they go corey's mustaches. A brumer don't get you don't get you do. Who's who's meets awesome. Hey you know the that. I work with brands. Sure yeah we were doing. The party was reading urban dictionary about cock and then she left in the super weird man. What's patrick from spongebob. Who the fuck is this necessary to. No patrick from spongebob. Sounds like glue. Nanny of does yeah. I can hear that hydrog spooned boob was pretty good man. You watch a lot of cartoons just getting into spongebob. Now though yeah max what. What cartoons were you into. When you're a kid well spitzer talking. About porn in cartoons. I will tell you a very strange story. No like at the time. It wasn't weird. But i feel like when you're a kid and you grow up watching cartoons your first crush is kind of like a look like a cartoon. Sure sure so but it was weird for me because mine was like the lola bunny space jam ever so i guess i can't even think is weird but now i'm going up was like i don't know she makes you kinda gave me some mixed feelings. So yeah it's a stray circle. Maximum admitted this. A million times in the last almost two decades burst my first crush. Was daphne from scooby. Doo and i married a redhead. While there was some was implanted. Yeah there was just something in that said. Hey why not. Just find a red head that likes to solve mysteries and doesn't want to spend time with you because she's off solving mysteries in a van with them. Some hot dude with blonde hair and is doug talking dog. It's weed so i think you sounded. I should go to petco after this. I'm just or just find some chick that has unbelievable huge ears. Oh yeah yeah. That's great here. Wool shoot some hoops. Lola bunny michael jordan. Yeah all of these. I think a lot of girls hang out with michael jordan. Remember when bill murray came in on nowhere on the movie as good ever saw space jim. They're making a second one. Yeah with lebron right. Lebron james ron bill. Murray was on crack the best of stern this week. Two thousand fourteen that he did. Yeah i've heard it before. I thought it was fascinating he Howard asked him about fame and bill. Murray said if you get a whole bunch of money right if you're if you're rich and famous like just get rich you don't have to get famous. He's like you'd be surprised if you have a bunch of money you get to do anything you want anyway like. The fame part isn't as good as people think the money part. That's as good as people think i could see that because you know he was talking about. There are some rooms that he walks into. And he's like oh shit because he knows he i can tell he was trying to be humble and and not as yeah make it sound like he was a he goes some rooms. You walk into and he goes. It looks like there's going to be a riot because everybody realizes oh my god bill murray's here and then there's a huge problem. He's like as soon as i see that room. He's like i just leave and you could almost hear that. He wishes those rooms were a thing he wants to be able to gory once but these says he tries to stay low key and whatever but that was an interesting way to say. Just get rich and you can feel like you're famous because you get to do whatever you want. Anyway there's a really good documentary on net flicks about like all those tales about seeing ville marie and like public. And it's really good. I've i've seen it a million times. I never had the desire to watch. It'd be worth. it's really because he's in it and they talk about like how fucking cool ears and how random everything is anything just like. They spotted him in sweden at a party. He these girls walked into the kitchen and he was doing their dishes. Like what the fuck. And he did their dishes and he looked at her and said You should probably keep your place a little cleaner. And then he walked out. That's hilarious right now again. That would almost be impossible to believe if you if saas told us that story tomorrow. We'd never fucking believe him. We would never believe that really happen. You know what i mean. Did they have it on film. They have the pictures of it. They have pictures of him like yeah. That's what i'm saying is all of the ghost. All videos are documented documented and verify. Okay yeah but again. That's one of those things. And i hope e self aware enough to know this. You can't do that unless you're that level of the recipes walk into a random girl's house and do dishes in criticize her cleanliness. She's calling the cops because right very number one you have to hope that they know that you are who you are otherwise. It's just some creepy old. Do this do on my shot right. But if it's bill. Murray is fucking peter van. C'mon my dishes right right. I mean that would be unbelievable. The other thing. By the way that i didn't know he really unless he's just doing the thing he really downplayed the chevy chase hatred. I mean yeah. He's we got into a hollywood fight is it was really just pushing and shoving. It wasn't like this giant fistfight. Yeah basically said we're fine. It didn't make like we're best friends but he said we did. Good work on caddyshack together because howard was trying to poke at him and be like you and chevy hate each other right. And he's like not really. Yeah so he. Maybe he's just being nice and he truly hates him off the air but he was trying to say it's not that big. I can believe that. Because i i've obviously studied law studies. Not the right word. But i've listened to every available audiobook of involving saturday night life and It was kind of a one time incident. It was kind of like chevy was a dick sort of when he left you know even maybe when he was still there he was kind of addict. Everybody it's just kind of who he is but They did have the throwdown. But i don't even know that i think they talked baby. Maybe very little during caddyshack. And that was it. I just watched the really fascinating movie for the second time. You guys remember a cripes. His name was there was gone He's the guy is what the hell we supposed to do you. Moron and animal house. Doug kenney so doug kenney was one of the guys who created national lampoon's magazine which then became of course national lampoon's radio hour which then became national lampoon's caddyshack animal house. Your obviously he was best friends with chevy chase on. They do a movie. And i've told you guys about now twice. But the first time i saw was like a year ago major people you guys love act in this film as some of the greatest characters of all time the go plays doug kenney is the guy who From last man on earth. What's that guy's name well forte. I know he's great in this movie. The guy who plays chevy chase's the guy from community joel mchale who also apparently butted heads with chevy kicked off the show which is interesting because i never thought about that. I did know that but he plays him in this movie and does a great job. I don't think they're on the greatest terms either a bit again. Maybe that's a hollywood story to. That's not true but right windows but this movie is called them. I are stupid and futile gesture. Thank you very much watching. You've seen it to come up with degree. Movie twice twice to what's the donald gleason that redheaded guy if you from x. smack much makina he's great co-creator. Everyone is really good in it. I love it. It's a great film and again but the thing that i always take away from corey and and the reason i would encourage guys to watch it and bring him back me up on this is there is. There was a time before saturday night. Live when all those people belushi aykroyd radnor The guy who died from ghostbusters herald ramos. A both the murray brothers are all on the national lampoon radio hour doing creative shit together in one room every week and every one of them became enormous stars. I just can't believe that that much talent was in that one room and then of course they all left there and went to senator live in that kind of led to the downfall in some ways of doug kenney but i couldn't encourage you to watch it. It's really something to watch. Bill was talking about Like l. o. Chevy was there for a year. Stole the show star of the show he left and he said it. It really pissed the cast members off because he was addict about it but it was just wait a minute. We're just getting this thing up and running. Were were at team and your ditching us after a year. So that was the animosity. Yeah so bill said he shows up they do. The lounge singer bid the star wars lounge singer bid oats a huge hit obviously puts bill murray on the map. Yeah but then. He said after that he said lorn lorne michaels basically was going to give him a three week. Trial episode one. He he tells them right. Well you're moving to new york like your. This is not a trial like. We're gonna hire either the deal but then he better most of the rest of the season as as he said like the second cop number one second because he said what happens is even though you've kind of made it in the eyes of laura michaels. The the writers still didn't trust you because they didn't know who the hell you were sir. They knew the group from the year before they knew so. He's had a lot of the good roles would go to aykroyd because they know dan's going to knock it out of the park so he said it took him a while for the writers to trust even though he felt like he had made it in and proven himself. But do you guys remember early zacks career with the power morning show. I know what you're gonna say transcribed the entire bill. Murray thing from saturday night live and had him read it on the air apropos. Nothing and nobody got it. Like one person on twitter got it. And that was it. Which really underlined to me. Just how much of a twist. Saturday night live geek. I am and but Yes so bill. Murray did this thing. Max where he went on. He asked his Lauren if he could do it you got what i got the vote. Yes we ask because he was become like always cotton number two and so he went on. I believe weekend update or maybe not even weakened update was a weekend update. No it was just a bit and did this. Bit here and transcribe it and had zach do it and nobody got the bit. Everybody thought it was a waste of time which it ended up being technically planet. Oh do you want all you want the audio Then i don't have it okay. A transcript transcript. Cool very very confused. No that's okay no big deal. That's fine no that's be so as a office Tend to do. Sometimes when an actor gets older. I was thinking when i was listening to bill. Murray talk that. The groundhog day is my favorite movie that he ever did he. I can't see him though and not think. Thank men like he'll always be ghostbuster. Peter vakman to me even more so than anything else he's ever done and he's had a really good career a wide range right whether it's loss zizou or groundhog day. Like but he's all those guys act that goes for aykroyd ramos. Those those those guys are the ghostbusters. That's that's really interesting. He dies at his number one on my list of his like his. You know on his tombstone would say bill murray ghostbuster. You know what's interesting to me. Because i will always be. What about bob to me. But that's because. I've probably seen that movie as much as any movie ever seen in my life. I loved that movie. What is it. Max who's bill murray. Du i seen what does stripes yes. He's hilarious him in stripes and again space. Jam is probably what i saw the kid. I thought that was a great movie and my mom. She loves of those national lampoon movies and stuff. So i grew up seeing them. All the time dos. What about you bill murray. Why i don't know. I think he's great steve zizou but yeah i mean. He's peter bankin to me. Because that's i saw that movie billion times. Yeah that's my. That's my a kid. We'll blow nostalgia goes muster so good so good brand would you. What about bill murray. What is what these guys both. Just set it kind of i think in young bill. Murray will always hit ghostbusters. Bill murray but in my head just even talking about it. It's like the more serious roles does and Rally sinclair from royal tenenbaums. Steve's us you man wilton lost translations. Great to talk probably phil phil phil connors. Fill all right. So i'm going to go through some other cast members roku and let's do the same thing. Tell me who you think of. What care they played you. Think of when i say their name. This is saturday night. Live people Because i'm probably gonna have to cut out a lot of the tranny stuff. Because i don't wanna defend anybody so here. We go will ferrell. Anchorman anchorman really for me. It's going to be off. Because i am such a giant christmas fancier what about you. Yeah it'd probably be anchorman or more recently it just because it stands out. It's one of my favorite movies. Is the other guys that movie of his that. do that. Opening not opening. Dwayne jumper building. That was like one of the biggest bakos. Because i swear it when you watch the trailers thought they were actually going to be a part of the movie and then yeah that's when they hit the pavement. It's the most shocking hilarious thing every no idea coming. What about uber. In the actually kind of thinking probably more saturday night live. Yeah sure. that's where my mind right. Adam sandler billy billy. You're happy it's like to me that's almost intertwined. It's one of the two. He's got to be happy gilmore long. Long yeah yeah. That's a good Yeah please said adam sandler. Yeah wedding singer just to clarify you know. I hope everybody's doing the same thing. We're not saying. Like what their best. What they were no he thanked. Yeah because like what you know them. Most as your own mind. Here's an interesting Eddie murphy coming to america. That's probably my Axel foley yeah it definitely be the stand up. Yeah raw and delirium shirt for me. That's that's the most important thing he did in my youth. I mean i'm not even kidding. You guys we quoted every line from delirious and rob both in high school in the hallways loved it. I can still do it. I bet yeah rian might not want to do that. Friendly twenty now. But i remember it. Yeah ninety professor. Come on really never saw hercules. It's a great movie accu getting dad. Well i mean my my. What about Oh here's one. Because i'm older than you guys. Guide means very little to you guys. John belushi the only animal house essay. The animal house is extremely overrated. But yet he's the best part of a movie that i think's overrated but i think he steals every scene was he sober in that film new. No but like isn't there a film that he was like sober and in the end like live off of. I think it was animal house. I don't remember that. But i do know if the latest john belushi documentary. I've told you twice again on showtime very much worth your time. You'll know so much more about him. You'll understand chris. Farley's love of him. You'll understand you know why he wanted to emulate him so much and why. That was a tragic thing to do aren't they. Aren't they still looking for the woman that sold them not speed balls. No somebody wife. I think she's de right. Here die from a combined drug caused by catholic possibly caused by kathy smith who they rejected him with a mixture of heroin and cocaine speed ball. Dad though or something. I just saw robin williams is with him. Yes a canadian acadia that says hi to backup singer. Okay and drug dealers. That's the first thing she was singer for somebody famous remember. It was a little exercise that we're doing by the way i've always. I'm always curious. And i wish i could get every band that i've ever loved to do this. But like as again it's spent twenty five years worshiping three eleven like. I wonder what they're most proud of. Like if i say like what song is your masterpiece curious to see what they say so like if we ask will ferrell like what like which one of these are you. Yeah we could say burgundy we can say what. If he's like i mean i just. I wonder if they have the same love for the things that we love like. George clooney does. He love danny ocean as much as i love danny ocean. Because that's my answer for clooney. In even though again i like oh brother were out infinitely more than i like. Ocean's eleven go brother out those like a top twenty movie all time. But he's but he's danny ocean. Yeah no i. I love it and by the way side. No you were gone. Did you listen to george clooney on set on that bit with pranks man's great. That fucking catch shifting. That's chris top-five bit all-time already crazy. That's the greatest prank ever pulled on. Anybody did you. Do you remember what i'm talking about. Yeah we're shit in the kitty. Litter thing unbelievable. Oh my god. That's great and the the f. Police thing he put on the back of. Brad pitt's car i'm ideas. Yeah i know just steals ideas but again it made me. I said this on the air but you were gone. It made me think you remember the story. And he talked about where gave all his friends a million dollars. I would go and have that verified at the bank if wouldn't believe it was really a million dollars like their counterfeit bills and he's trying to get into fucking jail or something. Anyway by the way candy smith mistress of gordon lightfoot so that it all comes around and backup singer for hoyt exton okay. And then she died on august sixteenth of twenty twenty aunts. She was dead. That's why that's why in my mind because she just died interest in a couple more quick phil hartmann. that's he didn't have simpson's vandana. He didn't have a definitive role like in in film. So i i just think unfrozen caveman lawyer simpson's. He was huge in muscle. Jingle all the way. Oh my god. Yeah i think i. I remember sinbad or houseguests. Something like that or was it wasn't a house guest bad or one of the to move into the other one's house or something like when it came out with i remember now starring sinbad and Well poland shit out of nowhere. That's crazy here's a really hard one. Maybe it's not. Who do you think of when you think of mike. Myers wayne austin powers. Austin power washed out so funny but austin powers powers was love it probably for the terroristic part of me was one of my biggest influences as a kid. I love just like when you said. I could start thinking about in convince myself. The answer is awesome powers but when you said it the the image that popped into my head. So it's the first thing i said was wayne campbell so percent if i sit here and think about which one was a bigger part of my life or like which one stands out more. I probably would say austin powers. But you said mike myers. I went straight to wayne's world. You want to hear some good movies. So i'm on google right now and i just i put. Snl cast members and it shows me all their pictures across you know and then underneath some of their names. It has other names. Like i guess. Things are known for. But it's weird like like for instance like for For chris have jili right. Okay that's far gilead right here. Yeah right exactly. You guys know the gilly bidder will ferrell farrell fourth. Who the house on fire was it you. They'd through like three people. It was always keenan thompson had cast. And he's like. I can't do it. I don't have any functional hands right. Was you saw. Like eddie eddie murphy. They have mr robinson of character. And you'll have some other ones. But there's some that i like i have under kate mckinnon. It says iggy azalea now what she may have done. That once under keenan thompson has shook night under under chris. Farley says andrew giuliani. I mean that was a great right. Do you remember when he was the mayor's kid that apparently it was like a real thing where the kids like took over a press conference but farley played the king of course he's gigantic with like and he's climbing all over the honea. It fucking hilarious. All i'm doing is seeing the picture of. I'd like to find good. I don't remember that at all. Do find find that clip watching over. Kevin neal in all over the podium. He's like it's the fat kid wave. Damn it's funny stupid asked farley. And he was good chris farley rebel. But still even though. It's an epic bid the fifteen famous or thing that he's gone. Here's here's the real picture of the kit. That's so sad. Giuliani was passed. That was your kid. Would you be let me see. I'm gonna play Yankee stadium opening day and then you guys won't be able to. You don't have headphones on but on only cured laugh mr man. This is my go. Do something someone's harry Scripted oh god english. A cast member for one sees this guy. He's when he arrived at. What every episode. Her giuliani kate. Mckinnon mckinnon on the great great. Tell you they're going to find a movie for her a vehicle for her eventually and she's going to be stark because ghostbusters was of course so she she's yeah she's terrific we. There's been a lot of an cast members. Had that problem right. It's all chris rock's the best example ever although he was great in fargo but nobody could find a script for that dude for twenty years and he's freaking hilarious. Yeah good and honestly. I love tina fey. Tv shows have been great. I think our movies are just unwatchable right. And she's awesome. I love tina fey. Love love like max amount but you see baby mama. He entered she just ride. It was what was the other one that those two were in sisters was just unwatchable garbage. Tina fey is such a terrific writer but sounds great but this is i know you love thirty rock. I leave unbreakable kimmy schmidt. Great tina was. Awesome on snl. I'm a huge fan but my god. Somebody's gotta find her a script to did you guys by any chance. Watch the the nine o'clock saturday night. Live on saturday last week From seven years ago and it was hosted by Paul rudd And they did bill brodsky. Oh love that bit dude. This is the one they actually played playing the client. Either by this cop here. Or i'll shoot you in the leg with this crossbow right doing so what he do. He said i'm nine years old. I don't have money. Excuse me deniers say they sell. Copiers are sell toned her hand. Drink with you know. Sales by the name of failed. Brassy bill brassey. That's damn sales business. Bill brask was best man at my wedding and my best man. I mean he got drunk. Took a dump of the wedding cake. Made love to buy wife gonna water. Fountain brass testicles have an iq of ninety nine times fifteen. If you count the other women. He married his hilltop line. Sneak into offals and kiss cova patient cooling to be taped got higher ratings. And these a jack joint venture. I wish i had leprosy and his first words as a baby were grab your clothes and beat it sweetheart punched baldy gold because he was an american who rescue gave aids back to the monkeys. A gentleman need to keep it down. This is chucky cheeses and your your listen. Why do you close your legs before a bat. Flies out of your baby hats girly shut your whole woman. You're embarrassing yourself. My favorite brand you story with the time. He played santa claus at the office. Christmas party last night. I made sweet passionate. Love to a box of kleenex says no one in this office gets any presence utah. Then he imprisons us all in the boiler room where we make nike sneakers. Were more kids out. Ross dallas and dutch pornography for halloween. Your extremists so strong it could cut through an uncooked steak. See doing eight. That state he wants date raped call positive for second. Look we're we're steve. Carell away from the channel. Four news team here. Obviously right paul rudd there. Earlier in the the the musical guests was one direction. Paul rudd talking in one direction on says behind him. he's like. I got my own boy band. The for them. With steve carell come out and they all sing together bit man. That's becoming one of my favorite things to do because like you're talking about. They edited down to one hour. Yup there's a shit load of commercials. Man i mean a shitload commercials like literally. They ran this bit. Came coming out of commercial. Went back to course over after was over four minutes exactly and that was it. But it's nine o'clock on saturday nights. There's a lot of fun but that bill brassey thing that's a god damn bill brask. Nobody knows they ran against you. Haven't twenty-five years. They ran that in the nineties and then brought it back there but they probably did that bit. I don't know six times eight at the end. I don't know if he does it at the end of this is sue me does at the end of this nine foot guy at the end there was like did somebody say my name. They're like bill always showed up. As this like giant paul bunyan ask figure in the corner of the screen always from behind so he never see what his face looks like. It's basically the chuck norris bit right. It's it's you know bill brassey. He's all the things that chuck norris can disagree point. That's exactly what it is all those Chuck norris jokes. Although i assume in the timeline that the brassy joe's sort jokes were first right because that was like mid nineties. The chuck norris thing was like early two thousands like all right. I gotta shoot my television show. Hey sauces tv show. Many people watch minus his. It was not For either one of us eight max. Happy birthday man thank you. I've worked happy birthday right back. Thank you You turn twenty seven twenty seven. What do you hope to do when you're twenty seventh year man. 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Anthony Abbott  2020 Inductee in the NC Literary Hall of Fame Shares His Wonderful Poetry and His Literary Journey  May He Rest in Peace [Ep 146][S7-05]

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Anthony Abbott 2020 Inductee in the NC Literary Hall of Fame Shares His Wonderful Poetry and His Literary Journey May He Rest in Peace [Ep 146][S7-05]

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I'm Landis Wade, the producer and host of this podcast I'm recovering trial lawyer. I'm the author of a trilogy of books were Lawyers Save Christmas. Kind of a cross between my cousin, Vinny and miracle on thirty Fourth Street and I, write stories and I love books I. Love Dogs. I love beaches, mountains, and Flos, fishing sports and reading and more. Listeners. This is the part of show were supposed to how excited I am about the steps Oh. But I'm also very sad because our guest today. Tony Abbott passed away this past weekend. Tony was such a wonderful poet professor of English, Emeritus Davidson. College. algebra graduated from in privileged to spend several hours within the summer remotely of course, planning to record and then recording this. With him for Charlotte. PODCAST. We're supposed to release this on November seventeenth in honor of his memory is being released today. And in this episode, we talk about his life as passion for teaching which she describes a spiritual experience. and His love of poetry and not only does he read some of his favourite poems that he's written? He talks about life as if he knew this day was coming much sooner than I did. I knew he was saving treatments, but he had such A. Vital. Quality voice and such an upbeat attitude that I had no idea. That he would leave so soon. I'm really glad I. Get the chance to be with him. And I'm glad I asked him how he felt about being inducted on the northbound literally hall of fame. And how he wanted to be remembered as a writer. How was for him as the poet? To wrestle with the angel in his poetry book the Angel Dialogues. What might be waiting for him on the other side. Since taking on this project called CHARLEENA's podcast of hadn't occurred to me the someone I interviewed. By DAB for their episode. came out. Taking this Kinda hard it. It's a it's a reminder that we're. All here on this earth such short period of time. And went back over the last few days and listen to. This. Interview. My sadness was mixed with. Inspiration. Inspiration that I feel from the example that he set. A life that he lived in the way he continued to write. Even to the end. He told me and you'll hear this in this episode. Riding is not about writing necessarily. Riding is about living. In the more deeply fully you live, you are able to write. And he also said, Landis do it now? Do it now? Do It now before it's too late? Thank you China's sharing your wonderful poetry in your words, West with me in the world. Here's the interview as it was slated to release a for a learned the news. enjoyed. This episode in honor of. Anthony Tony Abbott. In, today's up. So immed- award-winning Davidson North Carolina poet novelist Anthony, Tony Abbott Two Thousand and twenty inducted into the North Carolina Literally Hall of fame an organization which celebrates and promotes the state's rich literary heritage. But commemorating leading authors encouraging continued flourishing of great literature tiny talks with us today about his writing life and reach poetry from three of his award-winning chat books published by. New and selected poems if or it could save us and the angel dialogues. Of the Angel Dialogues Joseph pedantic put large North Carolina two thousand twelve says that added. MITERS each poem into the next with precision master carpenter in language that move seamlessly often floating from impressionism into a quirky vernacular narrative. Kathy Smith Barney Port Lord North Carolina two thousand ten two thousand twelve says this angel is double tasking sarcastic Yates reading quantum leap trickster. Tiny starts to show reading poem that is one of his signature pieces, the girl and the yellow rancor. Girl in the yellow ribbon of. Way On the sidewalk. Outside my window. Flower in her hair. Third sell or is focused suffered some officers, Kinda? Say. He's just not move. She Smile Labor. Or have she plays the cello and she is humming board silently making the bow ripples with her tongue. Or maybe. She waits for a bus to take her to her lover or she has read a letter from Paris or assemble, and she smells coffee and chestnut same roaster. and to hear the streets in cries vendors under the age for bridget. She's just a girl. Standing in the rain by stone bench in the early morning well, the streets Sean. It is nothing you are. Why I we? Were there. In. My. Prom. and. Why do I send here long? Law After she Hey listeners. Before we dive into the interview here, I'd like to thank you for taking. Some, your valuable time. Listen to this episode today really appreciate it. 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I've got a little bit more about the author and then the interview more ratings and the writing life segment. So. Enjoyed, when are the two thousand, Fifteen North Award for literature from the State of North Carolina. Anthony Tony Abbott is the author of seven books of poetry, two novels and four books of literary criticism. The Angel Dialogues is the recipient of honorable mention in the two thousand fifteen. Brockman Campbell competition of northbound poetry society. If words could save us was co winner in the same competition in two thousand twelve. Tony's literary. Awards are numerous detailed in the show notes for this episode. Is. Currently the Charles, a Dana Professor of English Emeritus Davis in college in recent inductee into North Carolina Literary Hall of fame. Tony Welcome to the show. Thank you her name was. Congratulations on being inducted into northland leary. Is quite an honor. And I feel. Very special for me because. It puts me in a group of people that I admired greatly respect frankly and. My fellow writers in North Carolina. Were very special honor for me to. been selected for her. Induction. So. How did you feel tiny when you first heard the news that you've been? Selected for this honor. I. Felt. About, Reynolds. Price. On the. Wool. Les Smith. Those people who are in they seem to me to be a really great writers and I, didn't feel like that was quite in the same class as those people. Elected to the hall of fame. Mesa feel are a special part of the company of those wonderful writers and our as I felt in my heart was. Klay remarkable honor. It is remarkable honor and listeners. Let me just tell you little bit. We got planned today you're in for a real treat a tiny going to read some of his poetry today from the numbers collections. We're GONNA, talk about this poems and like all episodes Schroeder's podcast. WE'RE GONNA be getting into the writing life discussion. With Tony and I'll be asking him questions that maybe he'll share his secrets with us but but. But I but I Tony Given your journey from where you started as a young boy to now inducted into the. Hall of Fame I. Like to talk with you a bit about your life's journey. Okay. So You. As a young boy did you ever envision? They one day. You will be receiving this kind of honour. Well You have to know. The first. The first real. That I rose. Were in the. Nineteen seventies? and. My career as a writer. Really began. With my writing of a short story. which is called the weekend. I've started writing short stories implying. When I was really. In my in my forty. Has a child or I grew up in Norwalk Connecticut. I was born in San Francisco up in New Orleans, Connecticut and my mother has left my father in California and moved to Connecticut remarried. And There were a series of incidents in the family which caused the family break up. And I was nine years old in nineteen, forty, four, the family literally broke up. and My mother who had a drinking problem moved to new. York stepfather moved from New York sister who was in a just graduate. Moved to New York and what do you do with a nine year old boy? And the answer is I had a fairy godmother. And My godmother pay for my education and I was the boarding school. And that became my life. My school became my home and I was very very, very good in school. And I went from one school to another boarding schools in college to Graduate School and I spent my whole Trimbe working on research. And criticism. And I've got a pay in. English. The like it become an English teacher. Think about writing saw really it's about becoming a teacher. And teaching as a college level. Rather than becoming a poem or fiction. That was really. Court of the second half of my life. Yeah you've. You've written at age of nine. Your family dissolved that took to put it in more dramatic turn. Your mother shot your stepfather didn't kill him. You said, but it was the end of the marriage. He was. He was a lawyer moved to New, York? Your mother went to the hospital. They sent you to boarding school and as you wrote in the novel leading Maggie Hope You know you talk about this. Use were sort of. I guess required to. Grow up at a very early age. Yeah. True. Love things that I would do. I would never know where I was going to go corvee Keisha. I really didn't like case like school and school everything was clear. If he is this, you've got this reward. He's not. He's not that punishment and you know exactly where he's still what was going on. Vacation I know anything because there's no what to expect. So I didn't know where I was going to go and so I had. This feeling that I have. Care of myself and what happened is I would often go to my stepfather to New York and then a very early age learn the new. York subway system. And I could travel around the say left me as I was old enough. I can't remember what age that was. Then to let me I would go from my stepfather's to my mother's my sisters, all of whom were in New York and I would go by subway from one place to another. And I. I always. Very early age felt what to be able to take care of myself and that's why I'm very good direction. 'cause you know where I am and how to get to the next place but. True, that was well before fans and satellites that helped you get around the Nah Nah Tony You said speaking of subways and traveling and trains, and that kind of thing he said that one of the single most Dramatic events in your childhood involved a weekend opponent that you're going to read just a minute. which aren't a pass from boarding school. In which you're going to go visit your mother and you were supposed to meet her at Grand Central Station Castle Yeah. What happened? Well she wasn't there. I was at a school in Massachusetts. For Pay School and call lulls school in a novel. Message. Is Nice. Gone Training. Framingham Massachusetts. Trains in new. York because I had earned a weekend birth like doing a good thing. And like I walked the ramp. Outside the game and she wasn't there. And eventually what happened. And I called my sister. Was Living in New York and it just got married recently. And she sent her husband down. The up aggressive session. The weekend with like sister and never did see my mother. And Later she told me she never got my letter. Saying I was coming. You know the thing about writing is says. You'd never know what the truth is the truth can vary. Depending on who tells the story I just found this very interesting thing me. I just found out are just a few years ago from. My good friend of Herrell Hamilton, who was a fellow student. Pay, school. That's when I got back from that weekend. School. On the next. Monday. One of the one of the teachers school took me down town you get a milkshake and when I was downtown getting a milkshake. Yeah. The meaning of the whole school talks about weekend. And he says this must never happen again. because. In question is, who's Holt was wasn't my mother's flow. Was If my full her half. Was this school fall or half or was it? We would we all share in that fall And the until the truth is very complex and the in my novel I don't deal with all those I didn't know that. All I knew was my mother's in So. That was a very. Powerful and scary moment. Grand. Central. Station. Roy Looks Up. As it star in the Upper Concord. Usually is in tramps. By the way, they make the shapes of creatures and if they cure. Others and bears employ or. Has No arts for them. Ways it on the bench by thirty two or half an hour. Is Watch for his mother's route coat. Torn him the white scarf she where rainy day. Is Starting to cry. And he does not like to cry at all in scares him here among strangers. US. Colder Hotel. Woman has. That she was out. Perhaps. She's on her way caught in the swirl late afternoon traffic of crush of trucks and multicolored cab yellow green chequered. Or perhaps. Subway traps I read lice between station. WHITES IS I. Tanker chip. Then, he feels the first time. I see touch of Jeff. She will come at all. She will never come and they mike sit on this. Bench until he grows all still she will not come. She will never know. Counted on this small good times between them. Time that will never be. You Stand Puts his tears. Away. In the pocket reviews handkerchief. The class food. Will requested schedule. He will go back to school. You will collect his as. And spreads. Them. Smooth of of Retard. He will live. Now Tony what I've. Learned about this particular upon what you said about it before particularly this line. he put his tears away in his pocket and Y-, and with his used handkerchief, you're actually making a transition at that point in your life. The. Last stands of the poem. Talks, about it to where you're going to go back, you going to collect your as you're going to. Spread them on the smooth palm, your heart and you're going to live, and so you decided I think to try to put away the emotion. And move forward. Exactly I think that's. and when I when I was. Elected by the state. Were with North Carolina. Award in literature, they made a five minute video and I talked about the video What I did is I'm not going to be emotional I'm not going to be vulnerable can't afford to. Think. Scary. So I have to take care of myself, Roy, distance myself and applied myself I like you collected is as. and. So I decided I would try to be the very best person I could be school. And I did that when I want to then went to school in Connecticut. And this is the same thing. Of. And of And was. Then and I went to Harvard. Graduate School I got my pitch. And then we moved to Davison. Nineteen sixty four. For my second job, my my first job. The. Collagen. May. Sound moved to Davis in the nineteen. Sixty seven. Our daughter dies. Very suddenly from encephalitis and. I have no way. Of, dealing emotionless with her desk because I had put my tears away in my back pocket. With my And I literally I couldn't cry. Though from about nineteen, sixty, seven to. The early to mid seven do. I have to re and then myself and rediscover my feeling. Which I had put in my back pocket. because. You having a PhD as the worst preparations possible for the writing of poetry because they're two. Different kinds language you know what I meant and other words near since scullery language of research and literary criticism. The language of poetry comes from the horror for all from the feelings. And I had to. Find those again. That leads you to writing a poem that you're well known for the girl in the yellow raincoat, but you read at the start of this show. you said, it took many years feed right that poem was to raw at the time that your daughter died. You can ride it. Talk about talk about how you were finally able to write this poem and what prompted you to ride it. Rose One. Would have been acing. Had a freshman writing Class Davis College. And there was a rural class who? lost. Her mother. And Rainy Day she wore a yellow Ranko. Of. And I kept thinking that she is exactly the same age. My daughter would have been a a freshman at full. And she might have gone Davison and. Then in that riding class. So, point was really about my daughter rather than about the girl in the yellow, Ranko. Girls. You'll ranked copay chain but. My daughter and I began to try to imagine. What my daughter might have been like. At the age of eighteen. And the wonderful thing about employment nothing really nothing in the point actually. Happens literally. I wasn't daring out the window, the girl who was standing on the street. Play. The. Cello. imple- all of that were I imagine. At, one I wanted to create. A Character of girl in yellow raincoat. For a model for or my daughter might have been at she'd been at age. And the that was the. Experience. Why do I send your long long after she is on Her because. He's thinking about that was. Though I mean, I, think eventually. Electric. You're going to find the word. We talk about things which would otherwise not talk about. So. Tony when you read this poem aloud as you did earlier in the show here. Is it hard? Does it bring back certain feelings? Are. Time I rather. Wasn't Weymouth Center. I had to get up and read it as weymouth. was very, very, very difficult. And very, very, very emotional reading. Whether as time went by I became more and more. able to read this without. Tearing up. and. So the the answer is, yes. It was a very, very difficult emotionally experience. Reading on the first time. But I think time allows us to develop. Greater sense of of of. Satanic you talked about after this. Defining moment in your life or your mother did show up you're wanting to get the as and received you go to Princeton you get the Ph d from Harvard you teach at Bates for three years you come to Davidson College in nineteen sixty four was actually a Davidson from nineteen seventy, five to nineteen, seventy, nine, but Somehow or other I I didn't end up in your class I'm looking at a picture of you under a tree at Davidson here. It's on your. it's I think it's in that video that you talk. And you've got six students sitting around your own, the quad. We're looking at a young Tony Abbott here leaning over and I'm just making headed I missed that class and. What. Made you go outside? What'd you do outside well. Class. Outside. The weather. Got I. Would always say, can we go outside and the you know the answer to the question was if you said, no, they would think were present whole study. So if you want it to be. have. A sense of identity identification with a student. You have to go outside when it was nice and A. Classes outside were never as good as classes inside because they were very pleasant. They were lovely. You know what they were. They were lessons distraction. When? Especially in the screen was the tradition. In to go outside or certain. And the. Those I usually does. Well, that's great. Too I WANNA, decided to listeners to that that video, which is on your website There's a link to it in the show notes for this episode, he really is worth watching you can. Hear a little bit about Tony's life and some of the things that he's done. So I commend that till you let's let's read a couple more points before the break airless Let's go to a small thing like a breath and You can set that up and. Read it you ready. The name of my second book. Small thing crap. And that's the titles point. James, and robber. Are and they are my twins grandson. And they were born in Nineteen, ninety, two I I wrote this. On them. And then the point is only one one baby didn't need to. Say say we're twins they were born. I remember going up to. Where my favorite born and they were move cross. And going into the neonatal intensive care and seeing them. As tiny babies. Though this is. The context of the plan. Small thing like a proud. Chief for car. How easy to say I love you knowing that even the surface of her word? How easy to say I for you knowing that even the icy edge of death not even his outer garment. Then, you bear a child. Carry on life in the darkness is your room for nine uneasy. Child send bumping the fragile edges of in some form go against walls of your. Phone. Enters the world wailing. Or time. Machines help him breathe you cannot hold him because of the wires the. Monasteries Vital Function And Yousef by his side, give him your finger to whole. And you watch his tiny her hopefully form nails crawl around you. And that's many hours you weren't still not tired not finished morally as a wonder you have created. And you know that you could these woods guy there's some. Glorious heartbreaking selfish. Youthful on. Every night you continue to marvel week after week month after month every night before slave. Filling into his room but listen. Small Breath and watch the weight and he seems to smile and how it's. Her upper. And later. You'll keep pictures. You will mark as first step the ORFORD rounded shapes of his first letters. You will shout with joy I line dry. And cry for the pink cotton. Shape makes. Some rule. On Easter. And when he hurts. You will. Of. Pain for his pain takes you in his arms and rips like icy night. then. When you speak a love there. You must do so library. Without as an Hussy. Or small thing. Gra. Tony US wonderful I'm just thinking about how fast time flies and how fleeting life is from the time that your child is first born until the. Time that they're out into the world beyond. A lot of a lot. Of requests. People. Like Reproduce his Philemon. Women. Who are pregnant with? And the one. And it's kind of funding the sensor since. right about the bearing of a child even though I'm. A male and not female I think is think poetry because tries to allow. You get into the. Characters and the. Healing of people who are different from our so. It's like my coin which we probably will do of a man who loved news. Because I'm I'm not that man, but I feel like I can understand him try to write from his point of view. On our right from. The of view, the woman. But all that stuff about the machine is the sensors I got from curling visit the twin. Twin Neonatal. Carrier Okay. Thank you for to meet Aretha. Yeah. Thank you rating it. So listeners just what we're GONNA. Do we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we are going to hear that poem the to the Tony mentioned the man who loved music it's it's a wonderful piece very moving. We're also going to talk about the Angel dialogues, which is an interesting book about an angel the. The befriends. The poet and SORTA? Gives. A hard time and we great point from that. We're GONNA do the writing life segment. We've got one final piece too. So please stay with us. I listen as I like to share some information with you bet to four organizations are important players in our literate community and They're also supporters of the podcast. Spark Publications Charlotte Let Charlton Writer's Club North, Carolina riders? Network. 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About his life about his poetry we've got more poetry in this episode today from this very talented rider Tony you got this piece that you limited before the break it's called. A man who loved music talk about that poem in Western inspired that. Nine eleven. I remember. Going to New York. And going to the Hustle Fourteenth Street for a many many of the people who are injured in nine eleven were taken care of. And on the wall, the hustle were these. Posters with pictures of the missing people where the people, relatives and friends of the missing were asking if anybody. When you think about that line was very moved by seeing those. Pictures. and they appear and they appear in the point and I read that story about your decision from juilliard and I was so moved by story one is hell and story This isn't a book called the man who? And every time in that both begins with the word a man who Neither in the title. For example, and this point in a man who loved news not. The first line is carrying his violin in the arm or. Title. Come. As words the man who every title has were starts advance who and what I'm trying to do that. To. Have all kinds of different men who? Until. There's this. Get away from just writing about myself. Riding about other people who I find interesting and broadening my my phone. From being merely autobiographical. Pressing my my my response to the light a world around the. Man Who loves music. Terry is file of the armory near ground zero. He was from juilliard. Where music is life. When playing better the next musician. More important than who were important. On the walls of the armory. Poster. Thousands of posters. Of missing smiling. And, were all young. Maria Ramirez. Tell from her graduation role. He saw the face of Angela Susan Peres. Hundred first floor tower they. Saw Jovic Yano and Carol, rutten La, and pull or to you junior ohlinger savy. How could music health in a time like this you wonder It'd be war within violin into the huge central room. The and his two friends played for our. When it's friends could play a more he's playing alone. Play for the grief counselors or firemen, and cops. Came into rest. Soldiers the fighting findings nine. He. Played. Ball. Jakubowski plays divorce devolve. The theme from Schindler's List. And memory from. Soldiers who had been in the past. He's played. Amazing grace. And then it bit nice. He plays the national anthem. Three hundred men sixty nine stores. And saluted invisible. Is, Hands Tremble replacing violin. Back in the K.. Total walking the dog street. Where does? It can be air. Of the listen they'll small. You would walk home. listers on his hand. Remember. Telling you, that is a particular moving pace you certainly Certainly. Did Justice to the moment. You can really picture this person. not knowing what to do but. To share his music and That's a key in the poem is where he says it was from Juilliard were music reply. Playing. Better than the next vision more important for more important than God and the end of the coin is different person. You realize. Playing better than the next position is not the most important thing. And he's learned to be. A. Deeply passionate human being because he played. This and I'm sure that his life was changed by that I don't know I don't know I've never met. And the. The. You know. Part of what I wrote is imagine like me and part of like all the names of. Missing a real name. Those pictures that I saw. and. She says he so so. The. Everything in the point. I think really hasn't. That's great. So We're going to shift now to To angels and demons as well but and. And you get. This book is called Angel Dialogues. You got a lot of for it. I, mentioned it at the outset of the show. It's a really interesting. Book because it starts out. It's it's almost as if the poet. Is having a conversation. with him or herself, and yet there has someone else present and it's it's angel who? Is I don't know maybe holding the poet check or making the poet Trying to keep the poet on the right track but doing a very sarcastic. Way. I. Mean you start you start out the book and the poet like you know who are you, and the angel says, well, I'm your angel. Angel. Yes your very own and then Y- The post like wait a minute. You know how can this be and and the angel last will don't ask how I just end. That's all. Post like well, that's a lot I mean come on and so. And so you know right away the angel saying don't ask these kinds of questions just be in my presence unless I have a conversation, you go through this book and you have a lot of different conversations. And and we're GONNA have you're gonna read a poem where the Angel Speaks of death but angel doesn't just talk about death angel talks about lots of issues that are on the mind of the poet and I'm wondering. What was going on in your life at the time that you decided to write about An Angel with sort of A. Pressing view of of life and the afterlife. Yeah, I think that When people say who's the malls of the angels? I usually say me. Though is. Very famous. Love. Logo senator. Who is mad over? Loss. I think with the angel allows to do have a dialogue with myself. Poets side and myself, Angel The Angel is supposed to know things. As opposed doesn't know. and My property interesting about writing the. Most wanted I couldn't. I couldn't have the angels hell the poet thing. And I didn't know. or I could. No. Let's see if the policy angel is there life after death? The age. Can't answer that question. Angel Constant Justin Answer. Of So recipes, the angel wants supposed to be a better person. Angels aim all the way through the book is to make some poet of. More, more of A. Human. Being who loved everybody and you can tell in the poet as his main job is, is love everybody and the. Problem with. That is in love with the angel. We loves the angel, but he's not very good and loving everybody. the wonderful on crawls. or Angel speaks of beauty. says. What are you said if people feel they are beautiful I love you. She says. I know you. Know, silly you tell the beautiful ones you love them. Supposed you suppose there ugliness puts you off yet over it all the more reason to love them or if you can't, you can't if you can't then one of my doing here. Don't you Orlean don't you see why I'm here look good makes we are. Now, just go love everyone likes that and then they'll be beautiful just like I have. And that's A. Really important? Point. because. The Angel as always. We're we're setting angels or loss of human beings and serve the function or Rangel's for. During this we heard a lot during this cocoa nineteen. And then about people who have served as angel or other. Health, care workers are sort of serving as angels forest. Is someone who is is great that else plus the. More complete human name. And doesn't mean they have to be serious all the time because the angel you know she she had a good time with her life. You said a minute ago that You don't say anything in these poems that the poet doesn't know, and yet you have a poem called the Angel Speaks of heaven and it's an. Instinct porn because the poet is asking the questions about Heaven Sarcastically, an angel answer, sarcastically we sing hymns and flap our wings and the poet is like what wings wings you earn like in that movie everyone watches at Christmas and you I take care of people like you I, wrestle on announcements. And the post like in heaven you just saying and the poet and the angels yes Pretty Boeing and she says. That's what Mark Twain said I. Liked Him. He was a real is. So. So you're just having a little bit of fun and yet you're trying to. Weave your way into answers right as you're talking to yourself about some of these issues. What they do in heaven say listen. And try to come and help. So I have the angel. The Angel Tree and you look and say of. In the cover. Goal Angels in the trees. On their lips thing, and then there the different angels are sent to different people try to help her. And so that's kind of EMESA. Those Angel Arrives in the angel, the angel has to leave. Because the angel has lots of other people report heroes besides just. Not An attorney Did you have I mean it's all metaphorical or did you yourself? have. Visitation with an angel as you writing this. Well. Though I never visitation with her wasn't angel in the. Literal Sense. I every time. Something would happen and I just think of another angel one. And so she was just kind of around all the time. And so no, I was thinking when I was Playing Bridge Listening Whoopi Mike Athena. Angel Bridge. Now. The No I don't think I. Don't think I have. Liberal visitation. But I think I felt. I felt like the angel was my. My better half. Now. I think one of the Nice things about poetry is then you can ride inside along with yourself. Like feel like she's very she's very real to me even though I can't say that I actually. Well and and some might argue that maybe be better in a different kind of way maybe she. Yeah she appeared into your subconscious she appeared tr. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's let's set up the raid. You're GONNA do from the book year. Angel speaks of death or angel incessant. Phone Where the angel is actually present. It's really yes. She said. winsome word it's really death you're of. UNSAID. Over as she says. We're walking in the white bark was she stops and turns to face me. Look at the where is. Best Nothing. Point Answer What do you mean? The nothing I'm afraid of. Come on. The absolute emptiness of loss of everything all the word, all the beautiful words, moments, the flow of the ocean or White Majesty shifting stars all saved in the mind of swept into predators unity or flower on the vest. I table after the accident all lost without a more no mind no words no site. No touch knows that. Nice. Job She. Smiled showrunner. Do some more. Wait a minute I said this is a tricky Rene Angel. You know about this you must know about, why should I talk help me my angel tell me about death. Am I wrong Gun. How I'd like to be wrong just can't get that that nothing out of my head. We were sitting on the branch of Peace Angling. Don't know how we got here when we. Are Looking so water and ways. I can't tell you. Know Alot. Not Allow what kind of answer is that? True she served. Career. Don't be angry orange. that. Doesn't help. Part of career. I remember. Read in the spring she whis is just is. because. Think about it. As incidents where did you get that? And made it up she. Just speed. Go Maury. Worry for you. And she kisses me once on the cheek. And then the would. Stream. Or wrong. And I am alone. Regard Street. Yeah Tony you start out early in this book having a conversation with angel and the angel comes to the poet. And says that. She's read your poems. And deposed says you read my poem she writes them Oh and she says, you have to trust me and host says what? And she says, don't worry about what I know. I don't know just trust me and the poet says. I'm scared and she talks about the fact that the poet is riding a lot about death. And I'm just curious because you were. Through these dialogues I think perhaps searching for some answers. Are. What so this last poem, the Angel Speaks of death what is your? What's your thought I spend my whole life a practicing Christian. I thought Sundays started teaching Sunday school. When I was at Princeton. And I would go to a little mission church down on route. One antiques some cruel when I went to Harvard I talk some school at Christ church in Rattled Street Cambridge. And then I sent some school Davidson? Ever since I've been here and the. I was. I. Been. Believer. Well I feel like Feeling that there might be nothing is little ways than Dow's. No matter how much reliever you are. until I voiced doubt in this. And I want an answer to that out. And then much face as you have. Doubted always still there. Though. Three answers. One is there's nothing there's. Everything is good. And referred to answer is. Things are good and some things are best. There's the whole business of health having an help And I think when I you know unlike. When it says, uh, no worry God Maury for you. In other words just be. The A. Loving person. The Angel tells of. A loving parts of everybody. Especially, those who are not beautiful. And you don't have to worry about that 'cause there's nothing you can do about it. It is what it is. Just says. No. When it's frame doesn't think about it business. Just. I think that's probably the answer the angels trying to give him. That's great and it's Still a little bit of writing life tiny. And I want to pick up here because. The Angel talks about the fact that She watches you write that she is sort of your Muse and You take issue with that in the poem that not necessarily And I'm just wondering Do you think of your Muse as sort of. Spiritual Nature Angelic in nature or what do you think about the fact that he's idea? I think. There are. That's one. Of The news, I think individual people can be. Or Surf periods of time. So that. For example you i. mean you read about a approach? Discovers the work of another. And that is so moving. That's. The News for the or somebody that you love be. Friend can become immune. Between when you don't, you don't have users. Don't. Necessarily right. You don't feel. Right. News on all the way through my coach. And Nineteen Ninety Eight, we like dump Sabbatical and Western. Turkey Israel. Egypt Greece Italy. And I was teaching. Davison their. Renewed a four. Key country. Of the calls the cradle of the world. And when I travel, we traveled in these countries that travel became my news and I wrote a lot of really. Good points about these places in about art and about. Things that we saw thinking that we. And then commanding. You know the. Worst thing you can do. Is Not to have a life. Of. Writing is not about writing necessarily writing is about living. In the more deeply as fully you live. The more you're able to write. and. I thought the I I saw. Angel was going to be my last love. Recover to twenty fourteen while I was done. Is like. When they began to move along. Or? As we got into this. Coast and That's what we know. A lot of time now, I can't go anywhere can't do anything. So I went back through all all my filed once. Computer and I run up every point that I still haven't my computer. Has published. And I came up with about ninety point. That I live over the years. And then I look for centers on how refunds who read. Request through them and we try to which. Should go in. The book that I'm working on now. And the fame. There's a theme that runs through the whole of which is. Living The left part of your life. From the time you retire. until the time that you die. And how stay Alive Even though you feel your life is in many ways diminished. One of the things that happen when. You will. Retire. Don't do it in your life since to become smaller. And you don't want to let that happen though. Of. The point about trying to find joy in the power. Even. Diminish. Stake As doing the left part of our life. And I realized I've been writing about this for the last. Twenty year. Basically. I'm retired from Davidson. In two, thousand one. Early retired. The last twenty years. Of. And so really that's what this for. is about feeling with? 'CAUSE I got my identity through the Collins. Teaching. And I missed the. Turn you mentioned teaching by the way your advice. Is Well, taken. I. Think there there can be three chapters or four chapters are six chapters and or more people's lives and every chapter I think is worth. Paying attention to like you mentioned You know it's it's retirement, but it's something else perhaps Keeping you engaged, but as a teacher What what drew you I mean. I. Think you mentioned that you always admired your teachers when you're in school and you became a teacher yourself what was it about teaching Tony that That you got out of as a person because you know you give us a teacher but what were you getting in return? Well What? You're getting as. Tremendous Joy. The joy of teaching itself. In good teachers just love. Being in the classroom and To me talking about. Is really important because. It's really mice courage will life. They. Fascinated by religion. And I've done a number of courses Davidson the. Case Religion Literature, mix them together, and then of course. Larry O'Connor Frederick Nerve Walker. Percy of Christian writers who write. Comic novels. Find I get much more out of. Being, in the classroom, we're playing students and talking about novels made much more exciting than being in church. As a form of spiritual. Exercise. Explore. Questions that they're exploring or two maybe great novels. Of course in of then walk on miscall. Letter. Great now always feel with the profound issues and the nothing question in Hawthorne. who were what does have supreme representative who worked appeared and represent and they? Exploring those issues to. Make Great. Joy. You. Say and you have dialogue wasn't in the dialogue his. The Class so Important In a lot of. Pleasure. You were a bluff teacher, David? Son. Students really love being part of your classes I know you've taught courses Semester long courses and workshops and everything writing poetry. But can you just give us a glimpse into since I've got an inductive here until the Litter Hall of fame? Can you give us a glimpse into what Tony Abbott does when he sits down to write a poem? I'll. Try not to write his down. Too soon. Of. When I? Sit down. The right of coin is because in my head when my heart I know that say this is employment are right. Away I know and I carry is for some time. Maybe months at a time and work on is in my head. They don't want to write it down to so. When I read it down. I don't. I don't really five as much as a lot of. 'cause I've already got a lot of revising before I've actually written about. And Lamont. Yours, talks about shitty first drafts. I don't necessarily right. Should of stress because her stress? I'm really I might be. Going through all sorts of. Of. I kinda like that like carrying the point around. And when I'm walking, I can work on the points in my head. Sometimes, they'll have certain lines are all Of Peace in my head for a long time. And then the. Developmental write it down. I'm a writer of Shitty I asked. But I come back and try to fix some lighter and I think it's great that you can. You can do that. You can keep that in your head and put something on paper like that I. DO think though you've probably learned some. Some techniques and some lessons over the years whether it be about craft or about the psychology riding and I'm wondering With. All your years of experience Tony. What would you tell your younger writing self something. That you have learned about yourself as a rider that if you could have imparted that knowledge to the younger Tony, it might have helped him along the way. Were I mean. Writing, is clearly. Form Of. Don't writing. I book I started to write was the workers came And I have never ridden about my child over. Of. So when I realized was. Time. I wrote lady my you know. Like Of. My mother died when I was fifteen. And I really didn't know anything about it. I didn't know. Didn't know much about my father I didn't know much learning but my mother, I, knew very little. I was at forty school. It was a lot going on in New York. I didn't know much about my sister. Offenses say that now. I'm of which I knew all his stuff. Then I know almost nothing I can't find out anything about my mother's life. Now. It's too late because there's nobody knows anything. Less person. Realizing. Really. Sister. And I never got that information from her. To me. Writing as a way. Discovering covering. Reliant. People were very important in your life which you would not otherwise have done. And I what I would say to the young writer is doing do now do it now before it's too late because the information may not be available for you. You wait too long. So, there's two extra writing one is detected. Swept Technique I'm very consciously trying to get sound and the music. The poetry is not just about content. It's also about Being able to use words in a way that. Powerful. And the music of words in the right were put together and things like alliteration. And Rhyme. And Horrible poetry. You know it's not like people think that you could write poetry without reading any. Wouldn't be an artist he didn't study art. Musicians studied music. And I think one of the things. Is Important not only. Narrow. Content of. Skill using the language. Of. Two things were when emphasize Roller process. Lens Express that s you. Know what you'RE GONNA SAY Before you write them then the joy of Ryan than. Taking away because writing in the. Exploration. Of Your. Discovery of something rather than employees. REPETITION. Something already know. So Tony One last question before we have a foul reading here from you. You've had a long career as a writer you're still riding as you said. How would you like to be remembered as writer? You know I never go. Let's say you ask the question and that's kind of fun as someone who owns. Health. People. Believe laws. Her plus were in some way changed or affected goodbye by reading Michael. Very. She's telling you that screen That's that's a great inside. We have one last poem here that you're gonna read It's called Genesis And it's it's it's Nice because you know we've been talking about the angel dialogues and now we're gonNA. Talk about The world itself and God is a whole and that kind of thing. So. Tell US briefly Rebecca here, and then you can read that to bring this to a close. Early Great. Genesis within my my. My third vote. The search for a wondering cradle world seasoning Katie at my son and daughter-in-law I wrote on for their wedding. And I read I read that's a wedding. And Put it in the frame hanging their house. and. The. figure the only way I could figure out and make it fun workers out to God. Wants been one that's of. Genesis. Swing, more than master maker of cool court shifted in eventually heaven and said. I need me some music. For Sky was full of. Declares that it was good. And then the equally androgynous Lord sets of herself. I need some light hill of fragrant fingers of. The Water Schoenberg light and she declares that it was good. And when the light and music play together stars west of the beauty of. The, swinging singing Lord says. Need. Me Some people to praise his thing that I have made. Lord Ball and laws about what sort of people might be purist Fraser what sort of people might truly see the light and made man for his cunning brain major newspapers in the L. can swift running low for man the Wonderbra. and. She made woman with imagining mind and the wrong limber dancing legs and there is and so the Colorado life. And when the man and woman has been crashes. Laura declared that it was good. And the man heard the life in the woman is. And the woman saw the music. Man Mine. Workers Silky Mane Violins, and the light was like the last require. The clitoral Qatar. And the man and the woman move original music. And swayed to the golden amber really is alive. And they knew. Sound with neither his or her. Like anything that ever was before. And the Lord of they have made. The whole. It was very good. Nice that's wonderful, and in fact, this episode has. been very good as well. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your your life story to to read some of your poetry. Thank you so much for being a part of the. PODCASTS. Enjoy the with you. Harder classes. Reema cartoons. Prejudice reworked. So. Well, that's it. For today, another found author giving voice to the written words next Tuesday we'll have another in-depth episode with readings and conversations about the written word and the writing life of a local or regional author before then be on the lookout for another under the covers episode where we do much the same thing we do here but quicker and sometimes away from the studio because there are. Just too many good authors and not enough time. 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Episode 58: Denise Austin  Renowned Fitness Expert, Author, and Columnist

Habits and Hustle

58:26 min | 10 months ago

Episode 58: Denise Austin Renowned Fitness Expert, Author, and Columnist

"The welcome to the habits and Hustle. Podcast a podcast and uncovers the rituals unspoken habits and mindsets an extraordinary people a podcast powered by habit nest. Now here's your host Jennifer Cohen. I'm so excited today. You guys because I have one of the biggest true fitness icons on habits and Hustle. We Have Denise Austin who is legit but curse pioneers in this. No this is true. I would do your videos all the time and of course I told you before when you got here. I was like a giddy little schoolgirl every morning. I would do your workouts and then you know when it's true. It means so much because all those years I was on for twenty four years straight. Can you imagine a heavier I on? Espn and then. I went to lifetime TV for another fourteen years consecutively every Single Week Day for twenty four years on TV. So I loved it. Looks like also like at the time like now fitness become a phenomenon right the whole wellness business multibillion dollar yes whole thing industry but at the time it wasn't right like you know it wasn't it all he had to really say. I swear this is great. You feel good. Exercise will help fight heart disease. You'll feel better so we were working hard and I started forty years ago on the Jack Lane show. Some of your viewers might have heard of Jack legit. I ever on television to He. He would I in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight to develop a leg press machine and is how still has there? I got to speak it as celebration of life We stayed friends for thirty five years. Really as he's a great guy and his wife Elaine. Elaine is still involved kidding. Yes so then how did UK? So then you had gymnastics backgrounds. You went to a smaller ship. Yes right to college degree in exercise physiology right so you did it the old fashioned way. Yes not how people are doing it. Now which will kind of get into baiter but like you kind of you kind of had the background you've got you've got a job. I guess with Jacqueline. Yes and how did you break out? Well and then. I started to teach aerobics because it was called aerobics back in the day. And I would teach at different places all over. I brought my little. You know down as cassette tapes. And so I would go all over Los Angeles corporations because part of my degree. I did corporate fitness so I went to Kaiser hospitals and we moved away all the different lunch tables just moved the chairs and I would teach by thirty every night after work at North Rob all over. Trw At your visa fitness professional. Who's going from place to place learnings? There weren't any jammed right so jim's back then at all not really. Just if you like women e type not real gyms but I. I also started in the racquetball courts so I would read the Rocket Ball Court. And instead of dewey racquetball on filled up with thirty five ladies. That's all. We could fit to do aerobics. We did echoed everywhere. Yes and then that was in one thousand. Nine hundred. Eighty and then by nineteen eighty-one gyms were starting been. That's how I met. My husband was setting up an aerobics studio inside a tennis club. And I was just looking for a certain room that I could teach my aerobics and and My husband Jeff was warming up his sister. Tracy Austin for the US Open back in the day and she wanted that here so that was cool. That's how you met. Your husband is telling Jeff so it was really you know it was serendipitous soul like at that time then. That was very entrepreneurial right. Because yes tonto yourself. Okay I do this right if no gyms so you. Did you rent the space? I would rent the space or I would give a chance to give like one dollars an employee come to my aerobics class at lunchtime exactly. Might be there with all the one dollars. You're trying to win dollar to come up. Their employees of that was when I did Kaiser and so they I would leave with all. This sixty dollars. Should like war stripper. And it'd be like dollars swimmers or fitness doubts. Now let's me. Oh my became business you know of course as you make it a business like how did it go from that to an actual one thing I did? I believe was the right thing to do. I do a lot of volunteer every weekend. I would give lectures at anything with American Heart Association. They had you know even like a convalescent home. I would speak at like okay. Everybody gotta move and one day. I spoke at the Jewish center near the Grove here in Los Angeles and Lo and behold a producer from KABC in La. Was there visiting his mom who happened to be in the Jewish center together and he said. Oh my gosh you need to do something on TV. With the I went okay. Kabc LA okay. Mrs In one thousand nine hundred eighty three so no real fitness aerobic so he said well. I could give you right now. Nothing's on at five thirty in the morning. It was just lines across. I mean back in the day before inserts twenty four hours a day now but in nineteen eighty three one. I start by eighty three. That's when got a chance to go on TV KABC. And it was a huge hit. It was daybreak with denise before I got married so I had this show and it was a huge at five thirty. 'cause everyone's luggage news didn't start till six back in the day local news so five thirty people turned it on and there. I was doing really understood the exchange. It's still believable aware. What is being at the time that? Oh this this is going to work for TV right because no one's done it. No one had really day except Jack. Lang was H J break. There was after Jacqueline. There was really no one until you great and I started and it was a huge hit so then moved to Washington. Dc got married and moved to DC. And I did the Today. Show once a month on Started by fitness expert and that gave me more of a national main hydrogen would get to that because I believe Jen okay. This is hustle. Okay listen I believe in myself and I believe when I was young. I believe that I could just get people to do so the Oslo I would get them going right so I called up the producer of the today. Show listen to this thirty five times and the secretary would always say all let them know you call boom. Let them know you call. And I'd be very very nice. You know I've such a great idea. No one at the time in on the today show had ever done a fitness piece. This is one thousand nine hundred eighty or so. Finally I said to myself. Oh so bombed like. I knew I could do this so finally I said I'm going to call it a different time. I was calling nine five. You know and I called it. Six hundred ninety. What Steve Friedman? Oh I see Friedman this Denise Austin and I could do exercise and he wasn't saying anything on the other line I didn't even know if hung up and he was and then at the end he said you could come next week for me. I said okay. Great thank you. I went as meeting. He's in a Rockefeller Center. There Lor sitting in the office and he loved Baseball Baseball Bat and he was sitting there with the baseball. That knows I was eight years old and I said we need to do excise on TV. You need to show little segments. Every month I can do something different. January New Year's February harthill March. You know. Get out there and walk so he just watched me as I said you know I had written a book called tone up at the terminals and exercise guy for computer operators. That's what we call terminal and IT WAS. You know things you could do at the office to stretch you. Get rid attention. He loved it so he gave me a piece of paper and said March third twenty four and those are my first time I was on and we got ten thousand letters the first on and I got just as much that week. Is Willard Scott back in the day got all right? I actually remember this before I would actually do your videos. Obviously yeah I remember when you were like that person and so you basically were super driven all the time and create your own opportunities. Did no not one phone call came to me. I was making those phone calls Slough this day. I believe that all entrepreneurs are the ones to think of it in initiate rang initiative for Sarachan on everything. I've done because I really believe in myself and I can do this you know so so now. World went to VHS. And I gotTA exercise video just like Jane Fonda and I came out around the same time as Jane Fonda you did. I did this. Make sure at this point you had the daybreak show but then you move to Washington. Yeah so did you give daybreak had to yes going back and forth for a year so you have the daybreak show for a whole year for one year. And then you had that you said that book the tone tone up at the terminals was that little booklet publisher and all that sponsored Barbados Corporation. Back in the day they meet flaw so it was but it was a you know. You're starting to build the empire so you really have like a couple of little things that were big enough. You can leverage so when you growled when you call the today show. You're like I have this. I got this yes I had tapes already of shows that I've done I did. Am Los Angeles riots? You did ally constantly. I did our magazine show. I did anything to do with. La Done and you know locally right. So you're building was nationals. It was called our magazine. Okay with Gary Collins back all my God. This is so seriously old. Friend Still Zinsou producer. Marty Berman stayed in touch with people my whole career. So in nineteen hundred lorries. I did the Today. Show size making a national main. We now for four years. I had a contract so for every month. What was your read a month once a month. Yeah I lived in Washington. Dc So to New York was injuries. It was so easy right. And so you're doing and that really helped build. Your popularity has also doing a lot magazines. I'd go to COSMO. Do you know the five easy stretches for your back or I'd go to another magazine and give them the Woman's Day magazine always had me prevention magazines on little Little thing that Washington Post had my own column in The Washington Post by nineteen eighty six. Did you ever? Pr Person. At this point or you're just going to initiate best friends from college helped me do pr. Mary Jane Levy and she helped me. We did together because she was just starting and I was right right and is your at this point your with your husband. Obviously he's A. He's a sports agent so he helped with your contracts and he held contract. Help read it and you know make a couple of changes and that was it so we were good team. So then how did you are are? I mean that's the thirty six years of marriage. I mean it's pretty amazing actually reads over contracts. Wow it's amazing to hear the evolution because of my background's fitness to yeah and hearing how someone like you like started. It was hot. It was a hustle. Even it was then without all the other noise and ruin cents back and it wasn't. It wasn't cluttered right so I feel that there was more opportunity at that point to like Sean. He has but you have to have more back then it was. You have credibility education was very important back then as I got the Today. Show and give fitness information. You know this is very important back. You know people cared it was. Nfl You come by it. Honestly you your background athletics. You went to school for that. Yes you have. So you're like you're the real deal shit which is amazing and then you and then you have the personality that voice is exactly higher Taco. Now Nassar Nicer is that exactly. That's deserve to assure you leave but you stay home. You just spews out of your mouth never understand like I remember being a kid when I did this. How does she do it? How does she talks of this? You still like. She's so pat you can. You can feel the passion and the modern society every single time you would open your mouth and and tell him both to keep on going. Yeah and motivate people. Even the State. Mccoy's is amazing. Did someone teach you or do you have to like Laura? How did you learn to do it? It was just me. I you know being a gymnast and working hard as gymnasts as a young girl and you know competing to show off exhibition. You know. He's a scientist. You'RE GONNA fly. You've got you work hard. And now it's time to perform performed so it came naturally to me right robotic routines. 'cause I used to have to choreograph floor floor exercise work and so I think it just was a you know part of me and win music. I love music. Texas is right. It was just so fun now tyler. Jane Fonda came on Renaissance. Time really help the sales because she made these VHS home-video more mainstream popular because it was J von coming out with the horizon right. We're great friends. I was with lifetime. Achievement Award. She invited me to even walk the red carpet with her really is she's wonderful. I Love I love. That looks amazing. She does the cat eighty at eighty and so she was like so you guys were going to ask if you guys are competitive with each other but no no. She's she's been saying like at the time. When you guys relate to it you know I mean she you know she sold millions and then having how many how many days through my career wet from all the VHS I would to the DVD and Al Online. But I still twenty five million exercise videos. Dvd's combined twenty five million five million women out there. They could have four or five what. How many actually. I wonder North Eight. Everyone opened it like you know. People always get very motivated inspired and then they didn't chorus I times I do appear and they are stacked when they come in Lubbock. Sign the first one I ever did. Vhs I mean we can't even have the machines anymore. Automation twenty million five million. Yes altogether and then when it wasn't a member Khakis or Kathy Smith was also at the same time to as Jane Fonda. So you start at the same time. So who is the weather like at ninety eighty one thousand nine hundred eighty four is right when it was really blessed me? Are you with her or I talk to once in a while and senior longtime wild Irish away and senior. I remember her to you. I don't know why I know why because you are literally everywhere you were literally on. Tv At every exact times where people would be watching those shows like in the mornings in the afternoons those videos. This is kind of a fun story. I was on every single day twice a day at six thirty in the morning and then again like nine thirty one and then. Espn after ten years you know. Ten Years Spn. They came to the. They said. Denise we are GonNa Rerun sportcenter now in the morning so we'll put you over to espn two and I went sportscenter every hour. You're just going to read Rut. And of course we're just oh my. God really rerun does seem our. Yeah our dental said. Yep and they right so I didn't want to go to. Espn that to that. I wanted to hit more women. I want to be targeted for women. Because that's who I really talked to their in their living rooms. I was in people's homes for all these years as part of their family. Yeah so now I love it because you know generations come up and say oh my mom. My mom used to work out every day. You know I remember you when I before I went to school and I heard your voice or voices so much stink basement. It's true your voice like there's not. There's not many people's voice that are so distinct but yours really. It's all. I ask. Remember that too when I bought my mom do your videos also my or whatever or or do it when I wasn't there I can hear that. That's sweetness if you always had that sweetness and like breathy voice that so and it's really who you are like now that they meet you thought it was put on but it's actually my life you are and you are exactly what. I was exactly how you are. It's amazing yes so then how what have you kind of kind of. What's your big philosophy right because I remember back then you're always balance from what I remember. Yes I truly believe in balance and it's hard to have it all all at once right through the different stages of life. I've had my two daughters being a mom. You know it's hard because you want to be there for them but you still want to keep your your energy going Ryan Business. So it wasn't until they were in high school and really great at Lacrosse that I had to kind of take a step back from my business because I wanted to be at every game. I love being a mom of athletes and I just didn't want to miss any of their games work so hard and you know earns. An athletic scholarships themselves so that to me was a dream. I'm so glad I did that. Spent time in their high school years. Because that's when your kids really kind of need you more. Because they could go. You never know absolutely direction they might and I mess. Odi Meet your other daughter. But she's like amazing like that's like every parent's dream right. She's Super Smart. She's athletic. She's on scholarship at USC. I mean it's a the relationship you have. You can tell that you're very you're very involved and you were presents. Yes yes but how do I was actually really surprised to see it? Because I don't remember you ever taking a break. I don't remember really break. I always was working and always doing. Dvd's at that when he was DVD. Right was even pregnant word. I thirty five pounds with each bay with. Did you do video? Do we have sold a million videos still to this day. One of the top pregnancy workout videos in the nation effort to be so now all out to see exactly right right and then like you lost it fast. Though because you have to go I did it well. I didn't try this. I never start myself after I only ever miss a meal. Jen I love food. I knew about food. I love every half of a hamburger. I love let it. Who'd love dessert? I love to drink. I loved to have fun and I think that's part of it because I never have been so strict with myself never and I think I've kind of lived the life of the Friday night. Show up a couple of Margaritas of rights. We're going out you know so I never was one to give up. Are you how it's different fast metabolism? Because you're working miracle metabolism and if the more muscles house you have the more calories you burn. So I'm a true believer specially US women as we age to firm up the muscles. Nothing droops are saying right. That's so I think this is why muscle cells are so active while the rest and I do believe that because I feel like I keep up with my toning weightless strength training yes and AIDS. I still heavy. Well I try not to because of joints now sixty three so I have to protect my doing but good postures Nikki so everybody stand up really tall where sit up wherever you are at suck pool it in those muscles and really think educating the muscles because Ostra gives you energy and energy is what you need to think better to feel good by an F. good energy that's the key so then how like where do you what's your diet like gaming example day-to-day not? When you go rate US would do most days of the week. I cook at home. Tried to be you know I know what I'm cooking I go. I do have lots of fruits and vegetables but breakfast this morning. For instance I had a scramble and in that I put a little bit of Parsley chives and spinach and I did a relates. I don't use Josh State Right. Sometimes I do to throw an extra ray to get a little more protein at a piece of toast and Sour Dough. You eat carbs rule. I Kennedy pieces of toast and put Avocado on it so there a lot of my morning. Sometimes I have both you have avocado toast and eggs. Yes but just a little avocado one half of a sour dough tokes. I love Sour. I love that too and then I put a drizzle of olive oil on it and then around ten thirty I I wake up early so what time do wake up six. Give me you give me your mortgage. I wake up at six o'clock I wake up happy. I'm sure you're unhappy. You genuinely happy. Yeah I get up and I get my phone right. See if anyone's texted me. The taxes are more important to me right largest my kids or whatever and then I go downstairs and have a glass of water. I love it with a lemon right. I do put half of I really squeeze it with Lemon then I make coffee and then would you in your coffee. That's a bummer. Trade me too. Yeah by you to grasp head. So I'm I'm doing okay. I only have a good cup of coffee. I don't have to were three that I have one. Good Okay Coffee. Do you like to drink? I switch it up but I like. I don't know if you've heard of verve delicious. It's very good. Yeah yeah so I buy high in coffee beans and I ride my own coffee beans and then have my coffee. That like. That's what I saw good cup of coffee and a good glass red wine. So you're like you're totally old school. Okay and you have your breakfast okay. I put it in a law. Veggie subbed I get whatever I have tomatoes all even touch fetichism mornings or whatever and then round ten thirty. I have a little something. I always need something because he keeps going so today before I came to just a little thing of plain yogurt with strawberries and blueberries. Okay and what kind of yogurt do you like? I just the Plain Greek Yogurt Yogurt and then for lunch. You'll have what today. I'll probably have love Salmon Salad. I Love Chicken Alad Sandwich once in a while I'll have you know. Are you watching your fortune or no? Yeah portions I I care what like I have a couple bites of things in a couple of you know it depends what I make that day some days. I just eat whatever I have in the refrigerated I pick. Do you excited you? But you believe it. Because a lot of people people come on this podcast who are super super about regimen. And and and high achievers who want to be the best was everything they of course are all in. Everyone's into intermittent fasting Kito Diets. No carbs fat and the cost. The all the activists seems like you're just not interested and even tried all that and intermittent fasting and it worked for me. It did work for you work for me. I did like it. How long did you? How did three days and a worsen three days? I felt different. Y'All my stomach bladder really really eight less. Which is what you're trying to get at right. But I like to eat a little something a little more like. I put walnuts in my salad. I eat healthy but I don't. I'm not always thinking about who. How am I going to be like the best I can I? I don't think like that and it works and I think my to my point why. I even brought that up not to interrupt you but I think a lot of times especially with with wellness. Now's become such a moneymaker that more so than ever before every day. A new fad is a new trend. I believe it's my my my my opinion that all these things are actually making people gain more weight and be less healthy because they have. No one knows what to do when they keep on. Oh this is going to be today is going to be this one tomorrow. And there's such confusion as opposed to just like going old school where you know what fruits are not bad for you but people just wanted to tell you that fruits bad fruits natural. I Love I love you but I always pair with something like yogurt or protein or Aussie of it and I love Avocado. I do. That's the big thing. I could probably eat one day. Oh easily one day. That's like easy. And then you have your dinner and like dinner thing about dinners. I do try to eat a little lighter dinner. I naturally have my whole life so I think dinner to me to sit late at night and eat a lot at home I have. I don't do so well. And what time site buzz? Seven six thirty okay. So that's not so when you did your three day. Intermittent what time were you eating at eleven but I cheated. I had my coffee in the morning I had the obviously. It's okay to do that though. Yeah whatever yeah so I. I started eleven. I did mainly the same food I always do. I was done by seven. I think seven good timeframe. Yeah Jenner. If you're intermittent or not or are not or not did you. Did you snack like did you at night? Not Not? When you're on intermittent but would you have like a dessert or a snack while I will go get some ice cream but not all the time now though time now kids. I if I'm home I make a nice dinner usually chicken or salmon or I wanted to all have grasping beef. You know make chicken or steak autos and I'll put on a corn Tortilla don't put salon throw around and veggies on it now December one. But you know it's like a straight talk. Oh right right right. I love that so you always cook. You always cook for your always to cook a sit down meal for my kids when they're little so I traveled a lot filming my show right so when I'd fill my show I'd go for a week. Film Live Shows Day right bank in a lot of shows get home and I'm just a mom. Why just you know I'd speak on the phone for business by would say hey. They're home by four. I'm done just call before. Yeah I'm yourself. That's what I was wondering because like you can't talk on the phone and give my thoughts with my kids. They're very hard on me. Because I worked out of the House I would tell all the business people called call between eight and four when they were young needed my attention because I find to be really difficult right as as a kid with young kids. And you're an entrepreneur. Because that's what you were right. You're hustling like you killed. What eight right. So you weren't working in a corporate job where you're at one time so I was very curious how you were able to balance it and and do it. Well I saw. Your kids are very adjusted. They're very close with you. And so. How much were you traveling? You went away for a week. Like shoot linked to address a month for a week begun. Oh Wow show so. That was a lot. My husband was really good with the kids. Sometimes I brought him and then when my mom was alive she would come and meet me at places and helped me on their little but once they got into middle school. You can't get them out of school possible stupid to let them. So Jeff would be there for them and we always had one parent home all the time right because he traveled to represented basketball players tennis players. So he he's a piece of big agent was so we worked around his schedule. Always so there it. Was You know championship time during the NBA? There's no way I'd feel show during those times. So we doubt after twenty four right. We had to as a family. Yeah I believe in that because we would hear everything during that dinner right and I also used to love picking them up from school. Because that's when I pick up the other kids in the neighborhood and learned a lot of kids that's how you find on every what did you say. Why did you get in trouble right? Oh so you were Very Frederick. For like three weeks of the month at least you're picking them up or taken them or whatever. I always think it's really hard to have it all at one time. I said it all but not at all at once. You get little your little there by you do exactly right but you also the attitude like you're like keep on saying it over and over again. You seem genuinely like happy and positive. Yeah you know I think his as I grew up. My Mom always taught us to laugh at ourselves. We really we're five. Kids are and we really have all good sense of ourselves. We did take ourselves seriously. You know she would laugh at herself. I think that helped me right as I was the most entrepreneurs one of the family get her you know and they all open right. Now be that way that way because you know one was taken care of the House and I didn't have to do the dishes because my other sister was so sweet cheated the dishes. Thousand gymnasts in the all took care of me and pick me up and right right right right. Is that supported you yesterday and they still do this. Still do back in the day when my vhs they made sure all front and center at all target. Walmart all the Costco's more from our guest but first a few words from our sponsor. So what if you could spend less time juggling email meetings and status updates and more time doing the work that matters most to your team you know like pushing boundaries solving problems and making something real so whether you're planning your next marketing campaign launching new products or on boarding new vendors. Asana reduces the busy work that waste time and it gives your team clarity. So they understand their plans and goals and how they will achieve them together. So from small companies to global enterprises more than a million teams across a hundred and ninety five countries. Use Asana to plan organize and execute their work so learn more and try it for free. Visit Asana Dot Com to get started. So then how do you? How do you evolve as the business started to change would you? How did you change with it right? Well I I love to reinvent myself you know. I thought it was really exciting now. The Internet and I had some great people who came to me. You know people whatever the hell they came and said you have a. Oh Hey right everyday helped out. The most people know what it is years ago. They're one of the first to take care of a lot of people like myself. Also they did South Beach Diet. They did the pregnancy to know what was was a second. What's what's what's your back. Thank you doctor. Dr Oz part of that Doctor Wyle Andrew. Wile isn't a while for sure. Yeah Yeah so. They helped you win you. Because I've had twelve selling book so what they would do is to get into that and then we would emphasize that for the website for a year. Then the next book in the future well bestsellers. Yeah twelve years seller of fitness iron bestsellers sellers on New York Times where sellers in different ones. But at the back. Then then what was the best female fat zones but they were selling everywhere wherever you mean. There's like Oh Amazon back then but your best seller in what way because I remember they were bestsellers health fitness category. Right you climate books. Did you sell altogether? Ooh I don't know you don't know I don't know nothing. Like video does books. I mean my video so big. You know it's real buying your videos all media events people love. It's so books. Never did as well as videos. That's for shiny new. Maybe not twenty five million but I bet you saw millions. I tell you the no really in that planning own. Create a Denise Austin exercise products. I was big on these years of QVC QB QVC. Yes for how many years you do a good fifteen. Wow could you also had I saw your licenses with like other my own excise ball back in the and and you're selling where like where at the time? I am a big at Walmart. Walmart and back in the day K. Mart K. Mart all those places best buy for my DVD's everything. Okay so go back to every house story so they would take care of the website and then that was awesome. Because I didn't know I didn't even have an email. Mazing made sure I got an email and so it just started and then little by little and I didn't really know about youtube so I kind of lost that little generation and now my daughter does so I- learning now right. It's so great to have a daughter gives me that new sense of yeah. I'm in on this because mother daughter workouts and she asked me questions about the business so I feel like I'm mentoring her and I have a new reason to keep going. Yeah with my business. And now's I women mainly over fifty to get them to you. Know what we all need to eat better but also have a better attitude a lot of my friends. The they're trying to figure out their kids are in college. Now what do I do? They're smart they were you know top in their companies and yet they took off to build their business. I mean take your kids. Yeah Yeah. They're all ready to start something new. I feel like also you stop focusing on people. Fifty over I feel. Isn't that the same draft don't people like DVD's. I mean I'm still selling you must visas selling these DVD's and knocked the store so you can't physically go to brick and mortar. But they're all on my website because that's still the market that would buy these and beloved him right. Yes I still do them and like you can see. Why can't you make you can make new? Dvd's yet I've been making even maintain DVD's and have a ten week plan on my website that everyone is really loved. Really apply every day. You get a workout video. You get what to eat a meal plan then throughout the week. I kind of send you bill. You can do it. Keep going right evasion. Ten Week plan and it's all online so it's it's a true ten week plan to tell you exactly how to move how to think and had eat. How do you keep a different though? Like you've been doing this for so long your balance your about eating immoderation but eating everything and not like not having a life like your boat like socializing and like living. Yeah my girlfriend's in the world right like you do have restrictive seven. How how do you keep it unique over the workouts? Not just another plans and the I guess also the workouts lands. I have really changed. What I you know years ago we didn't even have Kale's I mean true qualifiers being right now with Black Sea in right. I am around a lot of doctors because a doctor while Dr Ayman who so brilliant brain health so I learned from. I'm still learning. I love to learn the newest ways to eat healthier because food is medicine. Yeah I believe that so I am constantly reaching out to them and then getting information to help my ladies. Okay now idea. Little flaxseed over my yogurt right to add a little bit of Omega threes. We all need that our hair right so you evolve as the Times right and I like that. Yeah it makes it more exciting now to film with an iphone. It's easy I used to have to have a whole set up with people for video now. It's my daughter. Two sets up the IPHONE puts it right there for me and I can talk as I say. What kind of work do you like to do for yourself? Oh I love to offer fitness. I Walk Really Fast Walking Visual Studio you. Well I have walking in place while I'm GONNA play out marking up any real walking videos. I thought let's video very gray. No this is different. You know doing this but if Hughes big seller walking video okay so I was not receiving not outside. It's all done inside. You Walk Three Miles in that course of thirty eight right. Oh Wow yeah GIO. It's all timed and steps steps. I'm into steps that you do steps steps lake steps not make it ten thousand steps. Is You believe that I do about ten minutes of toning everyday. Okay so I switched up laws. You go for walks. I know you walk with Pam. I'm sitting Governor I pam. How long do you guys walk for every day about forty five minutes and then walking at a brisk pace? Then if we're holding coffee no but okay get rid of a lot of what my are. Okay good and then I come back and I do stretching and I do Tony. I go to a couple of my girlfriends yoga classes because I love them. Okay and I always do like ten minutes a day either. Ads arms body part body parts. I'm really into body bags. I still believe in that target. Toning exercises all the muscles really do need to be firmed up right so. I love to do that so you'll do like Monday Tuesday Wednesday arms and that's what Tim we plan. I liked that three to four days of Cardio and build you up. Then it's Mojo stays of the week some toning ten minutes. Sometimes you can do twenty two a day if you want to say how. You're not lake. And how do you not? How'd you how'd you some view? How do you keep your muscles confused? Because you've done literally everything. Try pickle ball out play tennis on weekends with my husband which he runs me for fifteen minutes while I WANNA do. I've tried the spin. I've really changed it up through my life. You know gone from police to step aerobics aerobics to sell. I'm done step aerobics now. I don't know why it's become kind of archaic. Hobie had so much always amazing and it's a good workout. Yes we're back all my TV shows. Yeah so good. And they're all on my website. Digitize two hundred half an hour shows so all of these women are loving it because they want the old fashioned ones they like the running in blaze works like this is like I would always people wanna find a magic GONNA say like. I'm a big hip I and as we thought it I love it. I love and to Obviously but I was gonna say that old school is what works best young people and when you see people mark Wahlberg you would ever a lot of people. I know who are like basically old school. They looked the fittest. The are the fittest but people try to find these new hybrids and and I kind of sometimes make fusion. You know a little yoga. Little is a little weights and I do that for thirty minutes days. But Circuit Training Circuit Training Honing Street. People need to be lifting weights yes in the circuit to keep your heart rate up and you'd have to keep going and keep on going and that's to me. That's why I think is do that. Twenty minutes and be finished and finished writing do that a lot. Do you use. Do you use when you say you lived. We're kind of for arms. You would you this morning. Okay I did. I did five pounds in each hand. Okay they did seven point five upper back on like on ground. Okay yes I do Do three sets feature. Or what are you doing I do? I don't count. I hate you down a song. Guy Blast the music in my house. You do so easy each exercise you do Asong. Yeah must be like hundreds of Albi this the press will land the CY young couple leg lifts and waistline. Just keep moving. You just keep on and your advice responds. I guess don't move changing all the time. I'm always change because I do do other activities to do you do interval training yes okay. I'VE INTERVAL TRAIN RIGHT. So those were my best sellers. Dvd's to really exactly do very long. Yeah so you do like three minutes. Cardia one and a half minute. Tony Three minutes cardio what happened. It's different muscle. I need to do your exercises. Now your workouts. I need your website and like how do you log in Cuba? I swear I'm GONNA do it. You GotTa do as you could do the old school ones for my TV shows. Yeah and some days you do once I have over two hundred old ones in one hundred new ones. Whatever you're doing you look amazing. You don't look any really different than you look years ago. Well gotTA keep it out. It's working for you know it's amazing. So that's how it works. Everybody if you just stick with it you know you're nice and young. Any of located just stick with consistency does pay off. I promise it's consistent is it doesn't matter what you do as long as you do something right along those muscles or moving moving the end doing another good thing. I always tell people. Try to get off that chair trying to get off that rear end and just stand and talk on the phone or like what we're doing and even if it's slow it's so good for you. Your circulation circulation is what's going to heal your body. Something's bothering you. You need to move to get the oxygen to feed themselves that. That's why I like doing this. Podcast on treadmills. Yeah because at least your moving and you're talking you're not just sitting and just staring at each other and oxygen starts to flow to the brain. Does it makes you does calling. It's your cognitive functioning. He it is key. Okay I what was the question. I had for you about these wellness trends. Forget about the food for a second. Is there any? Is there any kind of thing that you're doing? Besides the eating and exercise that are kind of part of your delighted started to meditate. I do that five minutes. That's my little thing. Okay that's not for me and I have to just totally dyslexic and it works for you really does. And it's only been in like a year and a half that I've been on a regular basis too in five minutes. Are you doing with an APP or you know? Just do it to myself. It's just sit there early. I take a breath and then sometimes down to ship through those years of all the way to just figure out what yeah and I live near. The beach can just relax. That's my doors and I love nature. I love being outside so everybody will feel better. I like it a little sunshine. I like a little fresh air even lived in the East Coast for thirty years. I got outside all the time did you. Oh Yeah I didn't want to be stuck in a house. Yeah I got out. I did walks with girlfriends. We would wrap even back then when it's cold. Yes I believe in just giving air and oxygen and I only use a little sunscreen on my face and I tried to get vitamin D thirty minutes. Most states try. Do you still be put sunscreen on your face but not yet body or because they join your face for thirty minutes because thirty minutes takes about that much twenty minutes to absorb. And if you have sunscreen you're not really getting the absorption that. I believe in then go back in. And if you're GONNA lay out that's a different story right but this is if you're going for. Walker it's nice weather. I agree I think people are very vitamin C deficient and they don't even know if you live in California and you have the sun that you won't be but when they get when you get your blood checked amazing once you got there bloodshed. Because it's amazing. How many people are deficient threat? When you put the sunscreen on it's not it's not evil giving what your body needs to absorb the Sun Right I. I take vitamin D supplements because of that Dan. I mean people should try everybody. Should you take any supplements at all? I take one okay. What even ask you by the way because just look. There's the Nigerian it's it's an it's basically. Nasd to precursors amazing actually And that wasn't a purposeful plug. I really want another company. Juvenile Their Omega threes. Because I believe in Omega Three Mega threes to yes. Yeah that's a good one really great one kind of natural. I take Nordic naturals. Yeah Yeah and then I also take a tube. Rick you take tumor. It's a pill it's vitamin which humor and you think it makes a difference. I don't know I know that's the thing I mean that's exactly I never sure you know how do you? How Hells with inflammation? I don't even know if I've information I go of course go to the doctor regularly but oh you're good Gonese. Okay exactly so you know. What do you think of like cryotherapy? Bread light therapy. Yes saw infrared sauna. I need to learn more about it right. It would like to learn more because every day is you know. Athletes have been doing it for years right or cooled is so I think that would be really cool and infrared. There's so much good research now there is. I just haven't done it yet. Look really try one extra an extra one. I'm going to lend it to you okay. So they do have because I people are like people you know I hear so much suffer all the time I try. I try and try. Try to like try things. It's very hard to decipher what's going to be good. What's going to be bad anything you're like? What's all high because I believe that? So much of this is just a big industry and it's hard to really decipher what's going to be valuable or it's hard to figure out what's going to be best for. You have absolutely exactly so. That's why curious what you do like what you what kind of wellness. Or what? Kind of like absence salt bath. I do take an absence g again old school. But we're not so don't know but those those are the things that I've been actually do. Something does feel so my muscles feel so good afterwards. How often massage SARS? I do believe him south. You love that tonight. Doodoo Foam Rolling. That's new score new spy. You know all right my button I roll on do that. Oh Yeah I love foam rolling. It's been a stadium even that. How will you not injured after so many years of basically being I wanna like I stretch the ostrich play balance of my workouts and kept healthy through my whole career? Yeah even as a gymnast. So all I. I'm a big believer in stretching like stretch right now. Yes Oh good for your back. It feels so good. I love to stretch my hamstrings. Yeah I'll do this fights it make sure stretch. Yeah in airplane. Here's my tip. I flex important my toes all the time I drink for every hour flight. Drink a glass of water. So let's say you're going on a four hour flight. Make sure you drink glasses of water throughout that plane. I love that tip is it keeps the humidity in your skin right and energy when you land. I have to be on TV. You have to feel good. I love that you. Can you tell us? Give us three more great tips to stay helping. Okay Good I. I'm a believer in posture. So you have to really think about it because if you're slouching your tummy as nowhere else to go out. Yeah so if you have a place to stay it's tucked in so more you practice that naturally your stomach flat also. It's better for breeding activity for your lung capacity to take deep arrest when this has happened. You're you know it's all stale breath. You're not getting belongs working in the last city in your lungs. Six pack and your sixty three. Jesus Christ. I mean I've been ought to be believable. She really is all natural. It's unbelievable people take. I'm taking whatever she says. I'm going to listen to you okay. So that's a good one to stand with your Yasser all instances out good in in the tummy like practice. It feel like you're wearing of course it throughout the day. Yeah or standing anytime okay. My time anywhere. Another great one. I always do as squats while blow. Dry My hair or I do. I call him visit size irs. So when you're doing other things like you're waiting for your coffee to do a couple legless from the back to Squeeze Your Butt Lifts Uschi Weeds. It no one else will I know Q. Okay so in today's time. Who would you say that you like in the fitness space? Who would you say are people that you think are doing doing a good job? Oh God besides of course. You're Ernie from my daughter. I didn't know a lot of who they are. Because it's all on instagram. Different bit medium. Now have one. I have a lot of people who are. I'm like I've been met your daughter. Claes said like I'm not just saying this. Is your mom but you can tell that. She's a smart girl she's call you know. Paul issues an athlete also and she's I feel like she. I like her like legit source. Deuce comes from you and you can have a source that she is. You can tell. There's other there's so many people that you just don't know a couple of them. I met before recently. And they don't really look the only way they don't know how to do these filters a Lotta people do on their instagram. And they don't talk about it you know. They don't understand that they don't know they're they're more picture. Yes it models but if you ask them about you know just talking. They don't talk in front of the camera so that has been very confusing and they and they don't have the science or the by they don't understand the bio mechanics so they're doing exercise but they look exactly so. I don't call those people fitness professionals. I'd rather more like instagram models. Who are doing a good job. But the problem is a lot of people don't know they don't they don't they. Don't know everybody. They followed people who they're getting. They're getting advice in the health and fitness space. People who don't know what they're talking about and that's good that's dangerous you know. I don't know when that's going to flush out I don't either because it becomes because everything now is about using your phone right like all the different APPS and people are doing all their stuff from like these social media influencers who are selling their two week plan or fun or their skin. Et which is like. If I saw you know those things they don't want to know that you have to just eat right. Yeah exercise consistently. I personally believe you don't have to exercise that hard. That much that you thirty minutes a day is great. If you thirty minutes a day most days of the week you're doing great and then build from there right. I agree with that too. So is there anybody that you think is good in the health space that you follow? It doesn't have to be fitness per state and can be anything in the holidays. Dr Mark Hyman. I BELIEVE THEM TO SAYS I. You know he's so smart very knowledge by love Dr Ayman for Brain Health and brain information. I Love Maria. Shriver Her soul and who you know her just her as a mom and the forgiveness and she stands for and I have met so many wonderful people. And they're all you know. Yeah that's your following question. I'll let you out of here because you have the programs on your website. What else are you? What else you up to? I have a new magazine coming out. I'm so excited. A healthy doubt will come out four times a year. You have your magazine my magazine with Bauer publishing all my first lincolns out in March the end of March and really excited. Because I get to write it with top doctors who have researched different types of things and this is what I've been working on for a long time. That's great really really excited about that. What to call? Well it's bit after Fifty Denise Austin after fifty and you're gonNA have to worry. Are you going to be an online grocery store? It'll be at every checkout stand for Walmart argue bringing up now. If I didn't say anything you wouldn't have said it. He's the biggest thing right now and I'm so excited about. That's a huge. Why did you bring it up? Doing rate I mean I didn't even know you were doing. Yes brand new. So March first March. Twenty third okay. Yeah congratulations really big deal okay. Is there anything else that you have a movie coming up? I don't know I think that's a big one. Just be like. Oh Yeah Way a new magazine that's GonNa be sold everywhere you know where bookstore or wherever magazines or being the check out stands so you'll be looking at that's an. That's actually a huge being because people are now every magazine fingers stay effort because every magazine feels like kind of collapsing. It's interesting time to be going in the in the in the publishing space and I have some other products that I'm I'm looking at to really get behind. Yeah really believe in them. So we'll see you again. Visit Been Awesome. I'm so I actually. I'm so happy that I had the chance to talk to you really jen. You're amazing you're doing your own to hear that we're going to afterwards again but I'm happy to have you on habits. Hustle your cue. Please tell people how they can find you. Just log onto Denise Austin Dot Com. I'll help you get fit. Thanks so much. Oh what Casey had just one more thing. How many calories you burn. How can they not ask Queens so basically got to press the white button? Oh I didn't do that. A white one hundred seventy seven hundred. Sme wouldn't have otherwise. So I felt like I did my my job with denise so awesome habits us. Tom Roland stay up on the crime. Don't stop keep it going habits and Hus- from La hosted by Jennifer Coen visionary soon then you can get to not be inspired you. At this moment excuses. We have in that habit supply gas powered by this.

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RPDC 16: The Killer Comedian

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RPDC 16: The Killer Comedian

"The following podcasts contains strong language. Ridiculous cartoon scenarios conduct up by to claim comedy wizards. Between you and me them or like saturday morning court jesters fueled by sugary cereal. But either way. The opinions expressed in presented are mere musings. So please humor there well intentioned hijinks with a laugh and not taking anything they say seriously goes you want to pay them to say something else could always use new shoes. I welcome to review party dot com. I'm brent i met. This is show where we review reviews from around the internet. That's right user. Generated reviews from places like amazon. Yup google reviews mostly amazon because those are funny yeltsin to but they're all good. We'll see where we go so many places so many places but the question that is on everyone's mind i can guarantee it because it's on my mind and you know i'm tapped into the masses. 'cause i all i do is go on the internet all damn day anyway enough about me matt. The question on people's minds is how do you like your eggs. I like my eggs. Lots of ways. We just had a big eighty in the baskets. You a what to do about that. Big big hullabaloo. That's not every week kind of thing though. Feel like that's a special little especially acute thing you do on a on a cute will sunday cottage more often than not. I like a good egg over easy. Oh easy good but over easy quality. He has been kind of a scramble. Purest most of my life but these days a good fried egg yolks sizzle fried up in the oil. Flip it around to. I don't know what this is called. But basically i start making a like an over easy over medium but i break the yoke halfway dirty it up now dirty it up. So you know you get the you get the yolk marble ization. That's streak through it. Yeah that's and that's the best on a sandwich which is say donna and a stake in egg sandwich or something. Who who feels. Like i'm i'm going to o'hare right now. Can myself a breakfast sandwich. I can fly out to newark. You got me screaming when i One time i went to our hair. They had a cuban restaurant. There had a low a cuban sandwich and it was wonderful. Well grab yourself so snack. If you're not hungry before. I imagine you're hungry now. I'm gonna start do it Also with a short one. You know. Jesus in i have a review here for the neptune statue on the boardwalk at virginia beach virginia beach virginia. It's google review. George farrar rights as far as statues go. This is a pretty statue a statue like no one is gonna mistaken for michelangelo's david but it's nice beach feature three stars beach features worried about beach features here and okay this guy. This man says it's just it's a statuary statue. This statue sweet. I'm gonna send you a picture of this statue. We statue statuary statue right. The neptune statue out is i was wondering if folks i was wondering if it was just a man who had the nickname neptune. But this is this is a neptune god of the sea as commanding turtle. Yeah he's palming a giant turtle and he has a trident and the other hand and you may notice at the bottom of the picture. there's a plaque to give you some sense of scale as the how massive this thing actually is going to go on a limb here and say this statue kicks ass folks and is insanely detailed. i i see a nipple this one of the idea of of how detailed realism the beard curls. You could there's probably burden us up in his hair. It's so he's got the highest fine curls cascading down and it looks like it's on its top of a rocky iraqi is just like a pile of rocks and it looks like there's some sort of a Not to leeann creature and octopus view wrapping itself around for sure. There's some starfish. There's some fish fish. Apparently this thing as adorned with all manner of of ocean dwellers what's not to love. I don't know how it is a statue. A statue is right. There's nothing not statuesque about it but That's sorta i mean there's veins in his hands and his muscles. He's been tough dude. This guy's grip in the he's ready to grip grip that tried to rip it brother. He's gonna throw that turtle for a hail mary touchdown and that turtle is determined to to smile. Whatever enemy he may meet in the end zone. He's on the team to this. Isn't just any turtle. Neptune's trustee turtle patrick on all patrick's soccer. That's our there's already prominent sea creature named patrick Carlito that's turtles. Okay i live. I love carlito. Thank you so. Maybe i've been interpreting this wrong. Like maybe it's george georgia's problem e saying no one's going to mistake it for michelangelo's david I think that's a good thing you're right. It's not a bad thing right going to be a coffee with your status. Yeah who. We don't need another david. We don't need another mike. David david we only another laying. little little we. We'd statue hanging out there but you say we little we we statue. Yeah a little we. We got the little we we hanging out. Neptune has some modesty. His lower body is just encased in stone. We can't see that he's leaving it all to mystery. Yeah he may be naked. But i think there's constantly sort of ocean bubbly swirls around his mother's just to be Just to be modest. A constant presence of seafoam swirling around makes. Georgie is such a fuck an expert on sculpture. Actually i'm looking at michelangelo and yet it's it's an apparent it's it's Artisanal are its value. It is insanely detailed in the muscles and stuff but like hot. He's a standing. he's just standing. he's just standing there. Was we we out. As little his little columbus hanging out for everyone to see is the goddess little towel over his shoulder like he's owns the place i tell you. Neptune does own the place. Literally the entire. See the entire goddamn ocean dude. That seventy percent of the world. I'm looking at at georgia's other reviews. I actually went in it forever. Reason google goes straight to their their photos that they've posted with reviews. Not just the reviews. He's got a lot of of of statues and architecture. Dude been lots of places in japan. Also said he is sort of a statue expert. While at the same time he's about anthony's junior strasbourg pepperoni sausage of delicious large pizza for ten dollars bargain. Who's gonna who's gonna take advice from a man who's in the same breath talking about pizza. He's talking about statues. Yeah i want to say before we move on with. There's been a lot of talk and there always has been a lot of talk about david's little june between the size. And that's all well and good you know. It's an grabber but I happened to stumble in google images upon a picture. David's backside yeah. Let me tell you david got a fat ass. David is looking sick. Who why is no one talking about. David's voluptuous but cheeks. I you look at a lot of the statues from that era and even the women aren't Like they're they're they're well endowed but their stomachs their legs. They're a bit more full compared to to contemporary instagram. Model fitness Just because that makes the picture the image of life. You're well fed your noticed you're right you're enjoying life has to offer so if you got a fat and shake that fat can yes. Hi like back that ass off. David show me what you're working with our i. I don't think anyone wants to hear us talk anymore. We're that is going So i got. I got some a little heartwarming place for us to bring okay heart wearing review To bring us somewhere nice. This is a review for beautiful man kindle edition by cassie goldwyn on amazon reviews. It is a on the cover is just a actually. I'm bringing us right back to where we were just mary. Hot guy. sorta taking office hoodie. His face shadowed darkness. This by the way is you can get this book free with Unlimited who do ninety nine by now with one click a kathy smith rights review titled heartwarming. Romance and live review reads a heartwarming story of highs and lows love. The house have to deal with in their lives. All tragedies that haunted them and the struggles to overcome their past. It just shows that with hope strength and love. You can find a future. Isn't that nice to not a. I was waiting for a star out there. Oh i apologize for stars. That is nice sort of taking up with how nice it was. It's just like job. Could tell you you put up with a lot of stuff. Anything's might turn out. Alright he's might turn out alright then quite turn out okay. You know this just. It makes me want to read this book. This world needs some more beautiful men. Ashley old one. If we're going to read any book with the cover like vat. I guess stop. Stop matt stopping your tracks. Don't judge the book by its cover shouldn't do that. I'm just thinking that a really good book. That i think has a lot of the same themes on this the count of monte cristo. Have you read that thing. I have not read the count mining. Christo i remember. Were you read it. An college was shortly after college. Do like batman pretty much He's a master of disguise master of of of everything Like he lost his love. Spoiler alert East survived death on numerous occasions. Escaped super educated super taught super self funded eventually and he just wants to try and get his love back. He's like the suffering of odysseus combined with the intellect of george clooney ocean's eleven Is there vigilante justice in it. There is justice. Yeah the people. The people who've done wrong and get their comments. Eventually cool this was written by alexandre dumas. Was it not yes. It was mad good. Mary dude wrote three musketeers and all their trails this was just another magical tale but at the end like the thing that he says that the wisest thing in human nature is is hope and wait so beautiful man is just sort of a a smut successor to come in chris thirty. It's the adult version all haha. I just wanna to say. I don't know how to package this joke ever trying a whole time especially because i don't want to talk down a great author's name you know i'm i have great respect for the authors of the classics. And i apologize. This joke has been done before. But alexander demoss more like alexander dumb ass. Thanks thanks again all due respect. I'm a. I'm a huge fan of the three musketeers. And it sounds like i need to read monte cristo. It's a is pretty wild. But i got. I got some bad news about beautiful man if anyone was looking to read it I'm looking at some of the specs here. Length three hundred twenty seven pages. It's got all the kindle features ready to go but unfortunately age level is eighteen to eighteen so we can't read it. We have missed that window. We've missed the window. i widened. Anyone tell me got a higher some kid to read this to me. Just send a room have an eighteen year old read to me. That's a great idea that is what a what a loophole they do. How can they miss that. Mandi you these kids once once. They get a book in their hands. They won't stop reading that thing right. I just wanna. I just wanna snuggle in to my little. My on the couch you know the eighteen year old can pull up a rocking chair. You know get real comfy. As well. And i just want them to casually read me beautiful man. I'm considering sort of the opposite of the giver. The old man was transferring memories to our young protagonists. This is us aged twentysomethings being taught by eighteen year old with a mug of cocoa. Yeah it's like when a when people volunteer at the old folks home except the old folks home is just full of washed up millennials. Sad broken millennial. I have to follow the rules. Says i can't read it and eighteen year old. come on. i'll take the money but you should rebel. I just need that. I just need to feed off that zumur youth. Give it back to me. The world took my twenty s from me. Let we have some of yours. Isn't that a. Yeah that's how that pyramid bank don't those Rich people like mainline. Young people blood is good for them. I think i'm gonna get into that. Yeah i want. While they're giving the blood transfusion you know the the noodles gone from my arm to there's sucking up all their good good blood. They also read me. Beautiful man by kathy goldwyn. Not only empowering your heart physically but also emotionally yes yes a hitting all the bases and then once and as they read the final paragraph like us a body turns to dust and i renewed again eighteen. At which time. I may read the sequel to beautiful man myself No doubt atop there. Actually i think beautiful man is the sequel get thefts. You'll never guess what the first one's called. Sabine chance beautiful woman even funnier diesel boy. Yes really Shorten some new territory. Oh what what was the author's name. Do we say that. Kathy gold worm calvin kathy baby. We love it. It's great did you have any Anything else you're working on. We love beautiful boy. Beautiful yes the amazing to the core on the buzzer champagne. Just saw drinking now. Everyone knew kathy's got it. The helicopters fly in everywhere. Everyone's ever since coming to this part every rich person's get a piece of the beautiful man cake which is just like it's a man sized cake being served on a man. It's that those type of rich people where they eat their food off from people and the table is just for men on all fours then. I want to go to that party. That sounds like a trip. Yeah sounds nuts all right. All right mr nutsy yet. Another as long as we're literary. I have a review that i thought i would have to affect in some way while reading just because of the the flavor that is in this review. I couldn't read it straight. I couldn't or maybe just have to this one special I i'm so ready for this review was sent to me by my cousin alley. Who has her own podcast. And we recently talked shop just a a spare moment I guess we can plug that at the end but look we'll plug it right now and what's the name of it is called the campaign her him her so for for the probably statistically small amount of women in our listening audience check that out. She's really funny really smart And and just really good at what she does. So you can listen to that just like you listen to us. This is a review for a place. She worked she. She does social media stuff better than us than boys at this was. I guess you had to respond to in her jobs. Job functions for cheddars scratch kitchen. I actually don't have a name to go. Attach with it. So i'll just say customer customer wrote. I think this looks like it was probably posted on facebook. Maybe it's hard to tell. Just go for it. Go for also timeout. Before before i get there some emojis some two exclamation point emojis in that. I don't know if there's a specific name for that other than two exclamation points. Yeah i think that's called an emoji. Yeah so when. I when i make a sound like that there are some of the questioned. Tara banks the exclamation point question marks in this also. I'll just affects those anyway. Costumer rights so in the words of my petty sis. Erica what we not gonna do. Is this horrid customer service in the year of argo hashtag. Twenty eighteen knac- here. I've been trying to refrain from posting much on doug book lately for reasons. I'd rather not say how be a this was just like fire. Shut up in my bones so here goes picture it sicily. Nineteen twenty to me and a former coworker. Latisha decides to go feed off faces at cheddars stretch kitchen for lunch. Meanwhile let me just start by saying that. I have never had such subpar service number a after being seating and ordering drinks and appetizers sis took a little longer than i'm accustomed to waiting. But i digress. Let to why did he take a whole hour for us to get our food. And i was missing aside when he did come out. Keep in mind. Two couples came after us in got their food and leaving by the time. Our food came. Now i'm pretty calm guy. But i almost lost it. When who i thought was the manager came to our table and apologized and tried to explain that off. Food was on the way but was delayed because we had a double order. Chicken and shrimp slash steak n shrimp. First of all. That doesn't make sense is second of all. i'm hungry. third of all. Where is my discount that being said this little bird did not offer me a discount meal. Oh but trust that are an unfavorable evaluation from me. When he went online and completed that customer satisfaction survey hashtag over it. Hashtag by wig hashtag. The door is closed. Aztec won't be back hashtag throw the whole restaurant away hashtag. i'm yet drinking water hashtag and minding my own business as tag thick boy problems. And that's it. This is a lot to unpack before we begin the unpacking. I'd like to take one little piece comment on it and throw it away. Okay all right. Don't call your waitress little bird. You freak goes. Fuck yourself a weird i. I absolutely do not endorse that. I suppose it's injects to position if he's a thick boy maybe that's just how he sees. People were honest this little birds little fried chickens that he can you out of highway person. He you know when a bugs bunny is stranded seizes companion and that's how he sees people at all talk to rub his eyes. Yeah that's probably why. He acts like such a pompous jerk. He has to live with going on all the time. It's a struggle. it's hashtag struggle. Not not a lot of our viewers have that sort of hashtag caboose on the end there. This one almost told its own story has take the listen i am. I'm a thick boy. And i'm and i'm proud of it. You know i'm. I'm getting into better shape. Especially i've rejoined the workforce recently and doing doing some labor as as sort of jump started me and again in shape again. But i never picked picture myself not being a sick boy all right so i think i can speak for sick boys everywhere when you you're you're creating your own problems. They're sick boy. This is your. This is an attitude problem. He's got a premium going out to eat. You gotta premio just in case services a little slow okay honestly. This reminds me when i lived in chicago. We were going to have an apartment party It was somebody. I think it was minor. No it wasn't my birthday. I think was my roommate's birthday or maybe my roommate's little brother's birthday and My roommate was ordering a party sub. Okay and I didn't wanna make. I was going to be imbibing alcohol. You know and at which time i would i knew wasn't going to be able to control my own hunger so Before more the party. Even though i knew i was going to eat at the party Went to seven eleven and got like a jumbo microwave burrito just sort of instead of pre gaming the party with drinks. I regained it with the burrito. So i would make an ass of myself myself on a party sub. That's hashtag boy problems. Yeah i never had that cross through my mind. Be thankful that's that's not the life you have to lead. No no what. I do to make sure that that i can be a socially acceptable human. You know me gordon myself. It's not some sorta sick problem is just protect others. I'm sort of a batman protected. Their innocence never never stomach is up again if they saw what you did to one. Yeah i would just like put my mouth at one under the table and you tip it up. Where it's like. Scooby shaggy exactly sick boy legends. Not the boss now and then i spit out the toothpick. Catching landon clean. Wendy's oh man so any any parts of this review any lines really hit you something i yeah i do wanna touch on how he says so here goes picture at sicily to and then just start talking about them going to the restaurant. I don't know. I felt like the stage was being set like picture at pompeii. It was that bad. But he deejay says that sicily nineteen twenty to me and latisha decide to go to cheddar's scratch kitchen to feed our faces freshest the beginning of a neutral milk hotel song isn't it. I thanked sure incessantly. Nineteen twenty two. That's the wars neutral milk hotel impression. I apologize guide. The only thing that i could maybe derived from it is that this was a review a review from twenty eighteen. And they say we're not gonna have bad service like this in two thousand eighteen so picture it in sicily nine hundred twenty two you know note notorious for the worst service ever obviously pizzas at you. That sounds great me as a thick boil as legend if when a pizzas thrown at me. My jaw unhinges reactively and and i catch it in my mouth. Mon mon mon eh go familiar. Yes that was so. Much gordon zola. Gabu gabu goule out. But i've never watched sopranos. See a a super cut on youtube of every time. They say goggle in sopranos. So that's a good watch. Yeah it's a strange strange way to say that word gavin google. That's a that's a google that talks a lot. Not you know not to be with google An italian meet a man. This guy sucks little bit. He's not the worst guy out there but he sounds like he's a crummy dude. He was on one when he wrote this review. He's getting upset with his sister for taking longer than he's used to order whether it's sister says it's co worker latisha may just people sisters to i don't know he's i mean he's calling people sisters he's hashtag and shit. He's like your objectified waitresses. He's bringing us does sicily. Nineteen twenty two inches leaving us. They're just leaving a dog context. We're we're better than that. Yeah I got a little quick one here as well. Feed me this thing for like a little bird. Yeah sang skittles commercials that no one cares about that. I care i love it. i'm into it. This is a review. You'll be very happy to hear from amazon for the one and only diddy kong racing. Cool by I don't know maybe matt's favorite game of all time definitely among them right among them. I was actually perfect dark yesterday. So that's that's yeah that's also yeah Anyway before we would just say hey matt. What's your favorite game. So that's a that's a youtube video come anyway This is a customer view for diddy kong racing by drake. It reads six hundred bucks. You gotta be audi a damn mind one-star bready you got taken for a ride you got you got those ten rockets shot at you bro. Yeah i think. I think he was talking about at the time of that review was written. They must have only had in stock like you know a collectors in plastic version of no doubt it was it some marketplace seller. It's not actually amazon at some some guy in delaware with right now they have You can get diddy kong racing from amazon new end. Use for thirty bucks. That's good. that's not bad. Not bad at all. But i mean i'm a game collector. I would become racing in my heart is worth six hundred dollars I as i said playing perfect dark yesterday and looked at the like the time counter for how long this one profile on that game has been played. It is not in in the hours that have been put into that game. It is into the days to the days days that have been played so for the amount of enjoyment. I got out of that game. I know i probably put close to the same amount of time and econ racing. So yeah hey no no judgment here. It's got saying power on on world of warcraft. You can you can type in slash played play. How much time you played in that character. I don't do that anymore. I can't do that to my little heart. And i always think like 'cause as a kid i would play pok mon blue. Our just play. Until i beat the lead for go catch mu to restart the game. Start a new game and do it again. I did that so many times. I've been pokemon. Blue am so glad. I didn't track the hours. I played that game because it would be shameful. If i could count the hours. I mean it's worthwhile. It's entertainment you gotta. Yeah you can't. You can't put a premium on media you love. That's what i would say. yeah sure. Happiness has no price right. Happy you know. And i'm looking at diddy kong's face on this box and that guys even though there is a giant pig wizard shooting like sixth lord. Lightning at him with with yeah. Wiz pig is about to end ditties life and did he is just got the smiling ear to ear. That's because rosh is there and he's like hello. yeah man. Did it come racing as the scheme racist. Maybe a little bit maybe a little. I think it's a it's just of its time right when l. out guidance. Ninety six something like that man. This is just coming. I just wanna play some datacom racing. What's going on outside my window. What's your what's your vehicle in. Diddy kong all depends on the course the the realm you're racing in but you know by realm by coarser wild on I mean plane is pretty hard to to get around but carter plane. Usually some of those are only water levels. Though as a kid i would always want to do. Plane or hovercraft. I could do the plane. Fine but cart. I would always just do a better on the cart and allies. Barring you know they always say if you're riding a cart you might as well just fart. That's comedy folks. Take that one of the break. You know enjoy that. 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A wolf superhero when he put the shirt on pretty much. Yeah my take. Some sick picks with this i feel. I'm feeling like a sick pig. The only vaccine is this an extra view i have. This is a review from amazon again. This review is for medley hills farm cereal marshmallows one pound so a one pound bag of those little cereal charms champs it but it's just the marshmallows shitty healthy stuff shade to forty one titles review by these. No don't or do they write delicious. Worst thing i've ever ordered lost about two years of my life span. I love them for stars. At least you have the sadness of mind to recognize What we might classify as self harm. Yes just eating a bowl. Full malo bites. Yeah i definitely. If i was hungry enough i got my hands on a one. Pound bag of malo. Bites dude They wouldn't last long. No i do it. It would be the the thing. I hope. People can relate to this where you're eating a bag of chips or something and you're you're eating them and you're really them and all of a sudden you think. Whoa i you know. I want some of these later. I better stop and then you look down in the bag and it's like that's not enough to have a point of no return near i. I would definitely do the same thing on these. They're appointed no return. I would pass it annoyingly and then go well. Okay happily begrudgingly but shamelessly finish the marshmallows. It'd be enough i i. It wouldn't be enough and yet it would be too much all at the same time Because i'd wanna make like a milk shake out of it. Oh that's that's actually genius. Because i already have in my mind. What the milk would be like after eating a bowl of just malo cereal so suites in decking and syrupy if i take that to the next level and put it in a blender villain ice cream while mill. Then it's gonna make a milkshake that's way too big because it happens every time. Oh this isn't gonna freeze well. I just have to have all of this milkshake. And then you're i. i know. I know you're half joking. I know are doing a bit here. But i kee- want a lucky charms milkshake now. That sounds so good. I wanna say back back in our all college town of k town kenosha grab burger had a lot of fun and exciting milkshake. Options like legally weekly cycle of milk shrink options they may have had something related to serial. I i that just sounds like such a match made in heaven alike. Lucky charms milkshakes sounds better than lucky. Charms cereal it does. It does whipped cream on top. Yes or like for my shadow. Alcoholics out there A nice like a lucky charm. Sorta cocktail with bailey's as the base. All at karolyi would be wonderful. Wonderful i. i'm looking at. I googled. Lucky charms milkshake. I'm looking at list recipes. I dare not click a. I can steer you away if we wanna be steered away. Yeah yeah let's do it. Don't worry we'll stay in snack. I have a walmart. Ridge used for for goldfish. Flavored blasted snack crackers. Extra cheddar and this is like the big carton goldfish like a gallon of goldfish nak. E-eh to me titles. Their review crunchy and yummy. I would give five stars but the box is very difficult to open. But once i got into it. Everything's great when i want to snack on that. I just pour out a bowl full and munch away. They are nice and cheesy and stay fresh in the box. They have a nice crunch but are still soft enough for me to eat with bad teeth for stars. We've talked a lot of gluttony on this latter half of the podcast here and That is really the best way to portion. Your ear begged large bag snacks. You should definitely just get like a little cereal bowl and fill it. Yeah and that way you stop yourself you know i. I know that that does not mean that. I practice it but i know that to be true. Whoever said he had a practice. What you preach no one dude. Absolutely absolutely no in this day and age. It's just that's why people like it. Alliteration has power. I'm a literally want some goldfish crackers. Now maybe just hungry. I have lunch again. Let's an to be about dinner. Time getting close getting us and they as close as this person should be to a toothbrush toothpaste. Yeah that's really what stood out to me is a standard review until nice crutch but soft enough for me to eat with bad t. How bad your teeth gotta be that. You need soft foods. You don't i d- i i don't know what are their teeth like. Little bears all captain captain gummy tooth. You know a lot of people say oh you know. George washington had ivory dentures. He had a wooden dentures. Actually had gummy bear dentures. It like that to you. Don't like it. I don't ever bit your cheek. It wouldn't hurt though or your tongue. And you'd be just sorta lighting so everything but how bad you don't even actually need to chew goldfish. You let it sit in your mouth and it's just going to turn into two goldfish paste a goldfish tar. You might say you've refined it into that reminds me of a horrific story from my childhood out notices funnier. Not but please bear with me. Everyone yet n listeners. When one time. I put goldfish crackers. We didn't have parmesan cheese as mom. I want parmesan cheese on my spaghetti. she said sorry. We don't have any you know is just kind of like okay. But she was like oh. We do have goldfish crackers. So i put crumbled up goldfish crackers on my spaghetti genius idea but in my again back to the gluttony. Very great theme for this episode. I you know or slurp noodles down wistfully unawares of the jagged Death crackers in my spaghetti and yeah accidentally downed a couple of jagged half half shoot crackers and the latin. That didn't that didn't sit too well. In the old trachea. That's the esophageal. It damage caused by razor sharp cracker edges. Open almost ended my podcast career as it just seven. He was resourceful to try that. I recommend it like you. Just don't be dumb ass. Don't be an alexander dumb ass like me. I z working. Really well with mac and cheese to. Oh now you're talking to you. Know cheetos did that Has maggie's you have you seen that. I haven't it's been ages since i've been inside a grocery store. Yeah my friends stride. It and they said it's it's weirdly. It's exactly like you thinking. Taste like cheetos. Mac and cheese farm in a good way. Okay and i think they have the jalapeno hot cheetos flavor to all right just like that. That's not funny. That's just like hey. I like clarify in a good way in a good way right. That's kind of what i thought i was like. It just tastes like chino. He's no no no no no. I killed everyone at the comedy club last night in a good way i i. I put them asleep. Lay them down on a little pillow. And then i and then i proceeded to cut them. Feel as saying very magnanimous guy. Now i yeah killed. Everyone at the comedy club. I slowly i locked. The doors and slowly sleeped poisonous. Gas in knows stand. No one knows happening ever under slowly fell asleep. This is not a confession. Boy is this crowd dead or wood. Yes i'd like to say. I warmed them up for you. They're looking a little cold out there this murdering comic. And he's getting away with it every time. Yeah walking phoenix play. that role. vinnie movie stunk. Ooh he's laying down. I haven't seen the scared to watch it because wouldn't watch again wash it. While i was donating platelets so travel weird context. Put of over the m. yeah. I am for those listeners. Who need to know. My blood type is ab positive which means on the universal recipient for blood But the universal donor for platelets slash. Okay they do different things. So that's like that's all. I can do to help and i have nice nice Neptune veins on my arms that that the nurses inflow bottomless can find easily to to poke in. But it's like a two hour process 'cause they take blood out and spin it around until it separates and they put it back in the other side. So i usually watch movies when it happens and you just so happen to watch the joker hooker even a lot of and she's like oh. This is a dark wind. I haven't seen it. And then i don't need to watch that again Actually i people are going to be pissed at me. I haven't seen it. But i have seen the scene. Oh you know the scene right. It was funny funny movie. Laugh a minute. it's a riot. A i don't wanna watch it. 'cause i'm a huge walking phoenix fan. He's maybe great in her. I love her. i love gladiator. Plays such a fantastic villain and gladiator Yeah and i don't want i don't wanna have if it's cringe. If there's even one cringing moment. I don't wanna associate that with mr phoenix but handed the pats and batman might be kinda good. I'm only going on robbie pats near robbie pats is looking robbie fats batman robby battery trim back to the the next bit though. I love the idea of a comic who literally murders the crowd and and no one like apprehensive. It's just the comic who's after. Gosh darn it happen again. I'm following this. How do i follow that. Yeah i feel like it's an ancient rome or murders. Just kind of find buddy. I mean maybe some comics might kind of want that sometime just like the crowd literally be dead that sort of that sort of sad just a sad calling. Yeah everyone gets pissed off with the murdering comedian. Kills their crowd before they go on. But there's one sad guy who just could you know. He just could do it at night. And he's like. Hey listen buddy you. As having a rough day. And i was really nervous out on stage in my mind. Material hasn't really been been hidden lately and Yeah i can just breathe a sigh of relief in just go through the motions of their. I appreciate it buddy. 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David Rapaport and Jeff Greenberg

Homophilia

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David Rapaport and Jeff Greenberg

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Hey Hey, wego wetter dollars right out the gates because. So much happens in a week that we are recording this intro a week in advance we are. We Are we are. So because we're we're taking trips were were. Were exploring. Work is slowly coming back are. Rene. Beloved renee and her icon Anton Tugboat. For Adventure in Oregon, much much needed and super well-deserved Getaway Yup. So here we we just acknowledge that because if you're listening to this wondering, why haven't they? Why aren't they talking about the fact that I don't know like a public figure died of covert or something just pulling things out my ass listening can happen it could. Work Yeah. So we are we are fully not correct like it's filming. Seven days before it'll come out I don't know what I don't I have no feel for the shape and the texture of the world that this episode will drop into everything is so fluid and. fucking wild. So who knows? If you've had a terrible week of something awful and traumatic happened. We don't know about it yet. So I hope we can be hope this transmission from the world of a week ago. We'll be comforting to you. Right I gotta say Madam. Just, GONNA point this out in in lockdown we have both become chains outside the t shirt boys. One, hundred percent I mean I yes I. I've been. Leaning into the chain identity. Since January. Okay. Yeah. Shout out to the ten jewelry They're back in business called on instagram crown. Great Great and I am so thrilled because I will say that when I got this and wasn't sure if I could pull it off. You very supportive but you said what I do know is that I will never be able to pull one off and now well. It's on me I don't know it off but I want wearing it and enjoy it. I like it I. Like it. Now I'm a chain boy and I. Love It. I love it. I'm boy hear me Roar Helen. Reddy? I mean. People Organ Go Bananas When they finally get a look at you with this outside. Shirt. Shame look when I can reemerge into the world's you know I did I did. Sort of reemerged last weekend. And and saw some live theater for the first time since live of happened. Yes. What you're talking about. Some drive up live theater. It was a show called fifty seven eleven avalon. Appreciate that's the title. And it opens opens this weekend. The weekend that this will drop. It's the Slauson Theater Company which incidentally contains Shyla both right so. It's like a theater company and they it was I got a press release that child buff directed this show and who do I want to go see it maybe interview him and whatever and I was like sure and then immediately, the PR company was like it was directed by all the Dell directed so clearly. In a rage for being singled out because probably you know he's gone through the thing where he hates that he's trying to get back to his roots. Whatever yeah. So it is set at a Kovin testing facility. It's daily life of covid testing facility. That is being profiled on the news. So so you drive in and you back into a thing and oh, by the way they got it was eight o'clock show we showed up at like five to eight and and everything was closed up and. And it was like I'm here for the show and they're like. We're about to start and I was like. Yes that's why I'm that's why and I'm here to see the thing that you are about to start. So can I and it was like everyone made a huge deal out of it I don't know if I was supposed to have been there. Early I never got anything to that effect. So showed up at seven, fifty, five for eight o'clock show. I think that's fine. Whatever more. People are tense. So there was a space left four as we went in the back then. You then tune into an FM channel. And, and the show starts and it's all around you and it's you know it's a covert testing facility. The news is there to cover. So sometimes, the action is happening in front of you and. You're hearing it on the radio, and then if they go around to another corner or if they're in a tent or whatever they're also, they're being followed by a camera person. So the. What is happening is projected onto walls or screens or whatever all around you so So it's just little vignettes. It's essentially Cova Tony and Tina's wedding, but you don't have to participate you just there. So it's honestly I mean the everyone's With asks you can't you know you only see the faces of the people who are driving through to be tested and it's little. You know little slices of life passing through and and all that. Of course, there's a Karen who lake won't wear a mask and there's All the predictable stuff but it was good to see live theater. Again, you know people who are just like we are dying we are this is killing us not to perform we gotta put a show together I didn't come away knowing a single characters name I don't I couldn't tell you about the plot I will spoiler alert. The last ten minutes are fully an interpretive dance performance how but it was great. It was so nice just to see theater and it's happening. Now I know of spoiled the ending but if you're in Los Angeles. Go check it out. You know what I will think about checking it out. But speaking of theater, we have such a dynamic duo another real ginger this is a very special episode. Where we are highlighting to. Revered casting directors were always talking to actors and performers and. You know there's something really fascinating about talking to so that people who have helped discover. ZANDER's performers. They've made stars. They have made stars and they and they and they just. Put everyone into the shows that we love and create the sense that we have come to. Now Jeff Greenberg is casting director for four frazier for cheers. You will hear some great stuff about cheers for movie top Gun, which we didn't get into an could kick myself modern family. He has he has won an emmy for his for his casting work. and. By the way. I have said that in my time has an actor Jeff. Greenberg. One of the only people who ever brought into his office more than once so kind I never got part there but he tried he tried his his. DARNDEST also, my friend not to Brag David Rapoport is here. And he is casting director for gossip girl riverdale the Flash, all of the CW superhero shows. Yes. And He's just a dream boat and we had so much fun talk. To both of them. Yeah. They have such interesting stories and there's just a lot to get into I. Think you're GonNa, love it. Before we get to that we should share we have another. Five Star Review. They're they are flying in as though we were begging for them, which, of course more. Gay Timothy. Says just discovered and love this podcast. He went over a little bit. They do they do keep you pretty strict. Character limit it seems like eight Timothy went over as a gay timothy. Will. Some. 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There's always something to watch or read or your exercise every day. And try to stay fairly productive but you know I I do get depressed from the news I, watch it less and less and just The Big News of the day tends to find a way to me anyway. And you know I'm Anthony. I'm usually working by this time and I'm not working now and I. And I just state of the world is, is you know brings me down. Time I'm healthy and I'm. Certainly well-fed. I'm okay. All things considered good. Glad to hear it, it's a good attitude to have. As things swirl in chaos, what is your? What's your sanity plan for the next fifty days where officially fifty days until the election do you have any Mike Mental health tips? I'm looking for ideas? I started you know I got in touch with BE VOTER DOT COM postcards to dot org I'm writing postcards for the Democratic Campaign Spaeth And for Biden and that's helpful to me. It's very it's. There's not you know I. Make a lot of contribution but I felt like I needed to do something else. So that's an easy thing for me I you you have to get your postcards imposed and then they send you mailing list of people to. To Send. To send these postcards to encourage them to vote or to get an absentee ballot and Minor, going to Florida and Kentucky Right now, and it's it's It's actually bringing me a sense of calm like I'm doing something proactive and I just feel that every little bit helps in like the WHO's in Whoville if everybody else it's GonNa collectively do something. So. That's dumping I've started to do and why does cramp aside I'm enjoying that. Good and Rest, I'm just trying to. enjoy my home and my life and Do. My best to stay positive. I. I'm not. Calling. People have been chatting on the phone at first I was checking in with so many friends I don't have a lot to say. So I'm not I'm not as chatty. I just Sort, of pulled back on that a bit and every once in a while call somebody will catch up on this and that. But I don't have a lot of news. But I'm glad you were saying earlier. You've you've been you've been trying to only take in the news news in small bites. So what what have you been watching? Watching lot I mean there's a lot to watch I just finished three seasons of Kingdom Annette Tavlin. To real it's a family of. Boxers. Fighter, you know and it's you know bad boys boxing and it's about the acting great and storytelling. Good. normal people with the my favorite of everything I binged on. No? No. That's on Hulu Domas now. My favorite talking entry of seen as imagineering story on. Disney plus about the creation of all things at the Disney parks at from concept execution, all the rides and exhibits and Disney family I am I was great a six part thing. Another great documentary the other day. Harold Lilly in Hollywood love story and it's about this couple they were together for. Multiple decades. He was the story board artist that crafted all these films and she had the biggest research library. For Hollywood so everyone would come to them. And they show. When he was storyboarding the birds for hitchcock they showed. The script and comes up with the visions and then they really. take what he's done and. They were showing the scenes in the movie with his storyboards. The ART director gets credit for it. The director gets credit for it, but it was his vision. Created. These. Monumental. is in hundreds and hundreds of film check that out. It's one of those. Behind the scenes of Hollywood's stories that you just have never heard right that. Yeah. Yeah. That was really good. watched. Another great. Documentary called the gardener about this. this. had hundreds of acres that he turned into all these. Diverse different gardens you know over a period of a long time as the first time photographs and. That was sort of an oasis just. Watch that I've been watching a variety. And lots of movies, I. Try to watch like really favorite movie from my path every day. Okay. I've been watching some good things. So what's The Jeff Newburgh top five or top ten the ones I've watched recently that I love. Postcards from the edge goodwill hunting olive me league of their own towns Mister Ripley waiting for Guffman broadcast news. I mean there's I mean every one of those movies were great and I'm not one to see a movie a second time I usually see it in the theaters and I don't watch them again but now have the opportunity in loving doing it. My List is very long. Thanks to still see. The firm which is great you. Watch waiting for Guffman nightly. Truly. Yeah I get it. It's genius. It's brilliant. Last time I watched the thing that that that stuck out was Catherine, O'Hara drunken and Chinese restaurant the the level of sweat on her is exactly perfect. It's such an embarrassing wine drunk. Mag No one ever played drunk better than that seen. Delicious. So, Jack You have you started out as an actor, right? Yeah I was an actor for about ten years out of college here in Los Angeles, and so I'd love to know a little bit about what you're acting days were like and what you're you know sort of moment of transition to casting was. Well I I always struggled I never had a good agent. I got to bits and pieces jobs, and we'll get a few commercials or I had a few lines on Monday at a time which got caught and I I would just. I really struggled I lot of jobs. In retail and the restaurants and hotels, and I always had some thing. But I did a lot of theatre in the best jobs I had I was in the sit down company Danny of the Shubert theatre here and I did national tour of whose lives in any way. And I did this Gills pfeiffer play at which is now the gap and playhouse was the westwardly house on hold me and I did that in a couple of other cities. And I did a lot of dinner theater and summer stock but I only just got by I. Really just barely got by with it always had to have a job job job too. But I always kept studying and loved the struggle of it when I was twenty two I knew I had to. Live. On a shoestring that was part of it. But by the time I was thirty, two it it wasn't has delightful and. I. Had a friend casting into. Francis. And I got to know her I, had a great job for Lyle at the Mark Taper Forum. Extra. person. I worked in their. Caffeine Office. when they got really busy but I also worked in audience development and publicity department engine idea pa for this product Actioner House Manager for this I did that for few years, which is awesome. He was minimum wage, but it was in the theater and I learned a lot and I loved working in the. Office and this casting director Linda off on around who's capping movies I got a call from her when I just got a movie. My usual assistant isn't available. would. You like to be my sister on this movie? With the time I was working Jane Fonda Workout Jane Fonda had a aerobic empire once upon a time. And She had locked merchandising and Bill Paxton rest his soul and I would sat in a room with no windows. Typing labels all day for her books and records and Leotards, and tights and. A lot of other. Stuff. And Linda yet I'm available. So the next day. I started on my. Casting job on this movie called Angel Under Student Day Hollywood Hooker by night who could forget. I I started doing that job and right away and not only loved it. I got it for some reason. I just got it. And on the first day ended I were in the car and we were just talking about the script and we're talking about chart and say. That's a great idea. That's a great idea. and. For some reason, all my years of just staring at the end credits from kid of TV shows and I have a photographic memory of pre-credit. I don't know why I remember those theater world ducks were the font is so small and it's microscopic. I. Would read those and somehow I would retain. The names of actors. So I seem to have a big vocabulary of actors. And I started working with her and I just found that everything I learned enacting I was able to apply to caffeine how to. How to work on the tax, how to break down the script, how to talk the actors, how to read with actors, how to communicate with directors. and. I learned the other stuff I learned the contracts stuff. And for some reason, I was just born to it and. All of those years as an actor, I never wanted to do anything else not for one second my life since I was very young. The big picture. I saw it. It was all up. To. TO GET INTO CASTING I I got. I got successful pretty quickly and was you know going nowhere fast as an actor so it was just meant to be. I I feel like we we've have parallel lives Zoe. Kazan by ten years of like you know my twenties. I'm struggling. I'm trying to be an actor kicking around town by main job of many. I had with Kathy Smith who was a fitness guru who is like Jane Fonda? Main. Back in the day so I was in her office in Santa Monica like sending out curb. ABC's and. She's how I got started writing because I would go S- her newsletters. Break. These newsletters that were for middle American middle aged women about like moving through menopause listens and. She was like you could do this I was do what rights for tend to be you. Know I think you could. So she was sort of like by my. You know transition. Into, a new home. Was Bill Paxton his band when you were working together. I don't think. So he never mentioned it ok he. He was really still knocking around and. Make a breakthrough you sweetest guy. off from so talented, he had a band called Martini. And and they they made one album and they have this video with Rick Ross Vich in it and it's it's weird. It's it's perfect. Nineteen five weirdness. Send it to you when we're when we're finished and so you. You are responsible for putting Kirstie Alley on. Cheers, right. I am. That's Huge after I worked I. worked with Linda for about three years I worked on about eight movies and then I got a huge break. I. they were replacing the casting director on. Cheers after the fourth season. And Friends of mine were producing the show now and they call me and to me the creators of cheers gwen West Charles and Jim Burroughs. And I didn't really even have a casting resume but they wanted they were letting go the counting director because they were bringing in too many familiar television faces from commercials and other shows and they wanted trash. And in our meaning we did was talk about theater and you know actors we liked in the theater and for some reason I got that job I mean in Hollywood yoke. One dreams of the big break. I really got one I think most people a lot of little breaks. I got a huge break that was my first job. I on. Television. I. And so I it was tim dating, but I dove in and It was Like Alice through the looking glass I mean all of a sudden in this magical world that I always aspired to be an. Actor got in through a different door and it was as wonderful as I suspected and then. Only about a month or two into the job. Shelley long announced that she wasn't coming back at the end of the season. And catch. Stope. They said you. You know we'll have to find a replacement. So I started working on that sort of right away and I had just seen Kirsty. Play. In Kevin Hodson Ruth taper directed by Jose Quintero and she was. FIZZLING And she brought enormous. Part or the night ever seen that play really well. and. They said for the show as replacement they wanted someone diametrically opposed. They wanted someone dark sultry everything Diane Chambers wasn't. You know. and. I mean, it seemed to me. It was Kirsty, my head. Well. It. Took about five months to make that happen. I brought in right away And it was very secretive. They didn't want shelly to know we were already replacing her because they thought that would really put her off. So he did everything very see my own assistant didn't know what we were doing. So we had, we set up an audition. For Kirsty to come in on the weekend on Saturday with Ted Danson rhea Perlman on our sound stage, they did scenes. They had written and they really liked her and they love quality and. they could be out. Let's be state when we told. The network they said Wallace she funny and. We. Think she is but we didn't put her on tape re-. You didn't feel it. they didn't want to. And so they said, well, we can't rely on. that. So, we would like for you to see other people as well and so for the next month, that's what we did and we saw. A lot of great. Lady who saw Sharon stone. Kim. Could Trial Lamar Helvin Burger and camp and hundreds of others, and they always said the evidence not curse. Not Critic finally after all of those months. Brandon Tartikoff said. Well. If I can't trust glam unless Charles and Jim Burroughs. By, now Then, I'm not a very good head of networks. So if you believe Kirsty, so do I so they said yes then. Because there was no one really in competition, her agent held all the cards. It was a very hard deal to make and it took over a month to do. And so when it was finally done, it was a miracle to me because I I'm still learning the ropes. And So I started on the show at the beginning of the season and she was fine she wasn't great. She wasn't mattress fine. She. Did what she was supposed to do. She was supposed to be an ice queen and she could do all that. But it wasn't really popping until one day in her soul I don't know about six episodes in. She goes from in the bar into her office and in opening, you couldn't get the door open. Cursing frustrated and it was hilarious. It was an unintentional went a HA. It's the ice cream who's a mess underneath they draw in those moments and they immediately started writing in that very episode and it changed everything. And all of a sudden got what the character was and the dichotomy of. Who Rebecca how was? And it was I mean there I've worked with so many producers over the years. Some of them are are know how to develop a character how to develop. A show in relationships you were about. And once. Cemented in the whole show. Like had a rebirth and cheers, which was already huge headed what the Emmy for best comedy and it was a number one hit. with actually number Ted after cosby on the same night must see TV the show got bigger than ever and it sort of it started to flatten came back again and sort of stayed that way for the rest of the run and it was because of the new energy the Kirsty, brought to it so you know. They they were very happy that I fell in my sword for her. And it. By Kathy heard that led to about their unity for me. and for whom Zucca said, as soon as you said, Oh, my God bless underneath on the old that Sushi ended up playing at a version of over over again after. Cheers. No Yeah found. Costa who she is, she's she's a suffocated. person she and she's so fun and she was really she brought a a sense of fun. The stage that wasn't there before. Shelley who was very Was Excellent in the part she she wasn't a lot of fun to be around. You Know Kirsty was. The. Center of the Party. and Ria finally had a girlfriend she could hang out with and you know. Kristie was also one of the boys. It was just she brought it all together. And it trickled down from there to the whole stab crew and all it was a blast. It was on the show over the last seven seasons. And you've got Roger Reese into the family like that's not. Make that connection but he was perfect. He was perfect. Once again, the theater I went to see him in a tub stop and play was at the Huntington Hartford. Theater. With Judy Davis and he was great and they were catching this. Cold Cord. And he wanted to come in. And it was a blistering hot day but he came very English buttoned up Koto wool suit tie. and. We gave him a hard time because we're probably wearing shorts and t shirts that hot and said, this character would not be wearing shorts and t shirts for meaning. Anyway he was his charming wonderful self. I stayed friends with him. All those years San is a real off a couple of years ago when he passed. He was one of the greatest human beings ever assiting magnets and actor he really awesome awesome guy. So. What's What's going through your mind when I in between? you know putting all of your chips behind. Kirstie alley and it really clicking. Are you? Are you panicking in that time inbetween because that is that is the most high-profile. Part on television. I panic every moment of Sherry on my shoulders and it wasn't clicking for a long time. We didn't really have anybody until you know we felt we have of the person but until the network approves, you don't have the person. You just do you know I learned a lot then? You just keep. Doing. Due Diligence. You do everything. You can do you keep looking under every rock to keep moving forward you get creative. You, you just keep at it. and. By the time it's time to have someone played a part. There's some of the play, the part. What's happening? At this stage of your life what's happening in your love life? Are you out what is dating look like for you? Why was when I was an actor? I wasn't really out in the industry although it was to my friends and it was always very uncomfortable. In addition. when it was, you know A. A decidedly straight role or something it's it didn't feel like a good fit but I took every audition I could. Like the year before I got shears. Who Lars? Who is now my husband we've been together for thirty six years and I met him when I was a casting associate and he was working at CR clothes ears. And he was an aspiring performer at the time. And we not. And have been together since the night we met was one of those we met at a bar on Melrose long-gone. Is Across the street in the groundlings it was called the one bar and it was had a big neon number one. As the sign and was sort of a pinball machine and a bar sort of a local bar. It's been about nine things since it was it was a bar called Santa Fe when that style was very popular. It was burned metro or the sports star it was a gem store it was. A place called. It's The green room to spotlight the greenery. Maybe even the Green Room. Now while I was threatened, we want to put a little plaque in front. Anyway what was what was interesting is when I joined cheese here's. One of the executive producers David Way. was an out gay man. and. One of the production assistant. David Reid was an out gay man. So that was the whole gamut and I I felt an acceptance. Immediately. Because it was such a gay friendly environment and I I really sort of. I mean I. Remember just having a certain sense of relaxation that could be myself. which I always couldn't do as an actor. And it was fantastic and they embrace lars he became part of the family was a very inclusive group who was a real family, friendly group and We, were treated great and. It was and. And Glenn Laughs and Jimmy always called Lars Lars Lindstrom which was Phyllis. Course Lebron's invisible and. So she didn't Jimmy saw flyers today. You are in a long line of Sitcom relationships with a with. Neymar. I really am so that So all of that happened the same time. I was getting into casting, fighting, Lars and You know I'm still in CASTER UNITED STILL WITH LARS So. It's it's been pretty been a great ride for me and we're not done yet. And How did your? Experience having been an actor who? had. The sense of being wasn't an auction for you. How did that affect the way you approach casting because attitudes of obviously the culture around has completely transformed. Will always seemed obvious to me. It wasn't about if you were gay or eight is if you it's about if you play you play straight I know straight. Who've seen gay and I know gay actors who think straight I want the doctor. And You know when we were Kathy Modern, family. To Gay, Parts Cameron and Mitchell. You Know I. Just wanted the best actors I called in every. Gay Actor I thought could do those parts as I could, and I was particularly thrilled that we ended up with a day in a straight man playing the to get actors 'cause they were the two best actors for those parts and we did due diligence I mean, we saw hundreds. And I still think that's the case I don't think. You know I, it may be an unpopular. Opinions from any but I don't think you have to hire a gay actor to play a gay part. That's like saying, then you can't pay a straight part. Do we have to castrate parts straight after straight part? I think the best doctor now once again. The phrase due diligence is important. I think you have to make a real concerted effort. To find it in the gay community. But I don't have exclusively has to be that. Who who right now? Like who are who are some of who are the best unsung actors who are you thrilled to see in the room? People who are like. Close to their moment who you're excited about. Well you know I I I can't a pilot. That on the day that Hollywood closed down like it was march thirteenth we had our table reading. And the pilot get made, we're supposed to shoot it the next week an leader that show is a stand up in Jim Jeffrey. Is An Australian stand up very popular. Is really good. Very much every. Austrailia accent, the pilot was fantastic. And it just didn't get done. It's being rolled over into the next velvety. season. So they say. He's he's GonNa. Maybe, the show still have any if not, he's just unique and whole area. So. That's the person that pop into my mind that we really haven't seen do this yet but his so. We'll keep our eyes up where I'm. So, can you just tell us a little more about your love story with Lars? The. One bar on Melrose and. When does it become serious and How did marriage enter the picture? You guys? We you know we started dating right away and you know the first we heard we saw each other once next week twice and then three times. And then I lived in West Hollywood he lives in South Pasadena and within several weeks, we've seen each other six or seven nights a week days a week. And We had a great courtship and for some reason I, we both sent said that this was the one. So we didn't. Rush It. Can. Even, an old fashioned courtship really applied. We didn't have to nickels to rub together. So our favorite thing to do. We go to a great hotel. whether it was the devil hotel or the Bel Air Hotel the bonaventure or Or? The Beverly Wilshire whatever and get a drink, and then we'd just wander around the hotel for a couple hours. You know look into the public spaces, the ballrooms walking down hallways to see if we can pecan rooms to see what they were like being out sitting out by the pool just in in the dark and Chai Ling feeling like we were having this little adventure and you know we did it on. On a dime and We had so much fun doing that and Because he lived out in Patna. We go out there and do great things that I'd never done before and we just I don't know everything we were doing together. We had a good time doing and it was just going easy. I had been in other relationships before. and. Hadn't been in one for about eight years and it just came together like silk. I mean, it was just. who was meant to me I mean I felt for him. When I laid eyes on him it was on per site. I I don't think it wasn't. For Neo, was I just I just knew. And So, after about six months of dating, we decided we wanted to find a place to live together. We both were in one bedroom apartments. We looked for about six months couldn't find anything in our budget. So he moved in with me and we just kept looking and about another six months, we found a two bedroom duplex. Also. In West Hollywood and we loved putting together the home we really. was such a bonding experience. We've lived in about four different places since that, and it's our favorite thing is to create home together. And you know. Just Just being able to collaborate on that and. Being able to compromise and. Figure it out. We both love it and all our places have been very, very different but we love it since then you know he left performing, he went back to school with an interior designer for twenty years. So we had his experts drawn and. Since about. Member six years ago he made another change went back to school and he became a preschool teacher, which is what he is now. He's he's had he's had several. Sarah Life and anyway we just we just had the best time. We traveled a lot. We're really great travel companion. Look very very lucky. that. We found each other and have somehow you know. It's the relationships I had prior to Mars reader year or to. Enter you are in a new relationship and you. Get a year or two. You don't know what it's going to be after that because you haven't had that kind of experience but we were we've had so many other friends together seven years ten years split up. We were lucky enough that as we changed and we certainly did. was. In a way to bounce the other I think that was just luck. said one great thing what day? No no no. No. I'd like to hear that. One great thing about three years into our relationship. We had our. Big Fight I mean. And I really freaking out that it was going to be. The end of our relationship. And so not only were. Would like to paint happening this finite. Don't remember what it was and I was served freaking out that it was the beginning of the end and I voiced that to him and he said, you know, why don't I right now the whatever we fight about is separate from the relationship and it won't. Threaten relationship that we can have a big blow out fight and not be worried that it will lead breaking up she decide that anyway. Yes. And that's how it's been. You know we certainly had arguments over the years. We feel like presumptive together kill take. It's only been a handful, but we've had some. Some explosive ones but? It was never that fear that I thought it was going to be over with so frightening to me and that's and it was like the a genius thing for him to say but applied to I don't know that works for everybody, but it definitely was what I needed to hear and what we always remember at hand. It's been It. When people ask me for relationship advice I tell them that story. That so simple and profound I mean that. That is very deep and and it's It's a shift. Any so much trust in generosity because if you are, you are a mutual agreement to give each other the freedom to explode. Right and there's one other thing he said in that same compensation and there's one other thing you can never say, fuck you to me. And I have. Okay. I mean. There you go. Okay. There you have it. Don't being prepared. To me and said, you can't say God damn because he was a very strict Catholic. That's like A. Thing that his family that was like. Never and I've never really. I said. Chuck other people and I use Goddamn. He's not around. But I don't use those to him. So they were very, you're right. It was simple yet. Secrets happy. Marriage. I. Love It what. Leads into to the life of a preschool teacher in twenty twenty. Is he well, he working he caused he posed down on the senior year. that. Same. Day that I did. Yeah, and his. His School Open backup at a preschool in Silverlake it opened back up June first in his class of sixteen students and teachers were there were just four students. And one teacher and he was the second teacher because the teacher had more. Seniority. So he hasn't been back yet. They're slowly coming back and they said, we love you but there's not really a place for you but he's fine. He doesn't want to go back until there's a vaccine I mean. You can. Hang. US A cost of three and four year olds. You can't socially distance them when there so many if you have a handful of them, you can but sixteen kids. It's just not possible. So he is not rushing back so quick and and so he's just going to have to wait it out and he's happy to do that children safer. Yeah. I support that decision for sure. Yeah Thank you so much for doing this. What does measure? You are a jury. Thank you I loved it. I- Kudos on your podcast. It's really favorite. Thank you very. Fan really honored. To sit here and chat with us. Allies priests come back and stay. You gotTa Take Care to care I, AM I. Feel. Well Dave during these economically turbulent times, everyone is looking for a way to feel more financially secure, and that is why it's time they checked out upstart the revolutionary online lending platform that knows you're more than just a credit score. Now, unlike other lenders upstart can reward you based on your education and your job history. In the form of a smarter rate, they offer loans from thousand bucks to fifty thousand bucks. So you can consolidate your debt into one easy fixed rate payment. Upstart is completely online and makes them fast and simple to check your rate, and since it's just a soft pull, it won't affect your credit score. If the loan is approved and accepted, most people get their funds the very next business day I love a soft softball. Don't you? Upstart has a four point nine out of five rating on trust pilot and hurry to upstart dot com slash homo to find out how low your upstart rate can be checking your rate. Takes just a few minutes. That's upstart dot com slash homo. Your loan amount will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application not all applicants will qualify for the full amount. David Hello Hello. Hi you're here in town. I'm here in town I am in the valley. and. Breathing in this terrible air. Yeah, I'm doing okay. Everyone's healthy and unhappy are you guys? You. Know. The valley's really locking in the the smoke yeah fortunately. Yeah. It's it is very mesquite flavored outside. Yeah. I town over from you and it's it's real gross. Yeah attempted the right up in Griffith Park right into the cloud of smoke, which was not a great idea. It was terrible and we got up to the top and it was like. Is it weird that we didn't see another human being the entire time because usually there's low sure but yet nope. Yeah. David what how much are you guys getting out right now out of house at a town what what's going on? Know at the beginning of coded. We didn't order any food in it was all just Delivery insecure things like that. We slowly started getting Outta town with more. We actually took a trip to Tahiti and I WANNA say July. There is no over there at time northward cases obese there's about five hundred or so now could be often the number You GonNa test on playing his hesitancy. Got There we. Came back and we felt pretty comfortable doing that, and since then we a week or two in Joshua tree in palm springs but now with code and the air as it is. Just, been in the house pastor days I haven't. Crazy time. Time. Yes. Not. Great. The wearing help. What's What's walk us through a day in your life right now will today was a really Tara morning as far as warnings go because I think I had a terrible night asleep faster crazy will work dreams with streams and woke up in a panic and went from. You know waking up straight into zoom session. which brings all these sort of new elements of casting too because you know we normally do the stuff in person in live in figure out technology of Zoom in how to both like. It, to properly, and then how to communicate with actors on zoom is just a different animal and I went from. That's Dushan to a phone call to launch by computer to this, which has been nonstop, I? Think. As soon as these productions got back into. Production. So to speak I have been just as busy as ever on we started I would say most my shows about a month ago or so. So we're up on HBO's right now it's it's pretty wild. All from home. From home. But then things are starting to shoot in Vancouver that you're working on. Yeah. We have about six shows in Vancouver. We have see riverdale flash. Bat, Woman Superman Lois When for some and then we have used. A and about a month or so solo. Yes. Pretty Busy I. I'm hopeful you know nothing shuts down everyone stays healthy, but it's definitely a it's just a new a new experience doing this doing it remotely. It's really cut change the way that we worked to because. In some ways, it's great more actors because I'll just say, yes, everyone who wants to sell tape Dan I'm seeing a lot more people. But. On the other hand I'm not working directly with the actors anymore we're not doing lot live readings and not. With actors have basically getting there tapes maybe giving some notes to retake but I'm not threatening them at some that's really difficult at the things I love most about my job in this process. You Watch a we we saw you, I'd like we were in the middle of the like recasting that woman. which was a like a massive undertaking engine. You're telling the I just assumed that they're the like the people who work for you are sifting through a lot of tapes for you but you literally watch everything I watch everything I, I'm just afraid that. I will miss slumping. We'll watch the don't watch the entire five to fifteen minutes. Long I may watch just thirty seconds to a minute of it. No. Come quickly of that person's right for looking for but I feel. I feel like I have to everything I don't WanNa miss other we just need one person can today and if I'm just that one person that his on me and I keep looking. So yesterday we got I wanna say I went through about eight thousand submissions for the new season of you and they're still coming in and. Those are not dishes or dislike pictures resumes. Morales. Of ages are submitting for various roles in the season. So it's It is a numbers. Game is a volume game and I've learned how to do it very quickly. But my eyes were just shot. Yeah only imagine. You have do you have any energy left to watch things for pleasure? Oh. Yeah for sure I will save more recently I've been watching a lot of TCI because all those actors fortunately passed away so. I'm not looking for like new fresh faces. I think what's difficult about watching the most recent shows? Something is that against? So in my head about doing no good actor I, don't know that after after right down to it is looking DB or an. Actor's agent is and how much they made for the show like there's too much information going on my head that it's it's hard to disconnect. So. I should probably animation a little bit more but but I do every once in a while. Yeah. Find some time watching TV I love I. Love. Netflix's especially but. And Hbo Max is Menu Employer. NCW. Course. Of course of the greats. Yeah. What What what is like must see TV in your house right now will were living for Friday night we're going to binge ten, fifteen season two. Of the hey, you guys seen it. Yeah. I think it's genius of so. A former associate of is now cast great job. And it's so as wildly Friday night that comes on. Is, other people a disparate new comedy central or the other are two. Yeah. which I think is genius as well. What else just watched this series of the actually beginning of Kobe recalled into the night. It's a Belgian series of pandemic and it's in infringe subtitles and was so bidding for what was going on. It's so fast paced I think it's only six episodes. Highly. Recommend that on. Some really good acting and just kind of drama. Sh. You Watch to Harlem Co. in series I think most called safe and one was called the stranger. They're both on Fox and they're based on his novels. Sort of about mysteries, people going missing or killed in it centers around community initially like man is trying to like figure out the truth and they're kind of like edge of your seat thriller. In those things those things are finally kind of enjoy. This shows a little escapism and then some pandemic material. Yeah, exactly. You? Know something I've always wanted to ask you is like when I have been to. A. Party at your house, it's a lot. It's up. It's a mix of you know they're like casting people and show Bisbee Boland normal people and also actors like there are actors who are your life for your friends with and Because cast. So many shows you constantly have this like I'm sure it's very different now in covid but. I'm just curious what it's like to have such an on have that much energy coming all the time of people who want to charm you and are theoretically very good at charming you and getting into your graces and just like how that affects your Your sense of self and like sense of trust in other people what's really interesting question I mean I think I feed off other people's energy I love being wrapped declawed why I love what I do know meeting. Upwards went went on Kobe fifty people a day. Sometimes they'll have a general that lasts. Forty minutes to an hour sometimes the ten pre read where in casualty no. Talking with someone and I love that can also see right through. It can also see right through someone if their intention is to get a job if we're wizard is when they're coming in to meet me I, don't assume that they want to be friends but there are some people over the years I have become friends with. Just by the nature of seen him. So often and kind of working the same business and those are the people that you'll save party. Those people don't feel like. I have to be on in front of or they have to be on from me I feel like these people I trust I know their intentions I'm not trying to impress them to have a little drink or something you know like i WanNa feel free to be Lucifer to my friends and I want them to them formulas to. But this was actually a skill I learned early on because I be. You know out in public of our something in run into an. Audition and they come up to me and it'd be so nice and I think, Oh my God, this is like my new best friend at all these people want to be my friend and all of a sudden I was such a luzern highschool and here I am like every wants to be friends with these beautiful want to be friends and it took me a while to learn you know. Some people not not reactor certainly but there are some people that. Are Losing in May. Pretend to be friends or play along that. We're friendly just because they want something and as I, said, before I've learned to kind of see that people and and I don't blame them for Matt about it. I just had to keep those people a little bit at arm's length. You know it is the the it's a business and I don't want to cross those lines a surly. But I enjoyed it was company and enjoy you know tie love after I love talking to people about business. You know my husband drives him crazy 'cause that's sometimes but. But. But I do, I, do enjoy like a party within three people because we have so much in common and now there's a talk about film TV or just people on the business that now so. What what was High School Lake for David Rappaport. God. Join Therapy Sessions Muriel. By. Way of asking that. Yes. You know it was to be honest with really difficult a transfer from a small private. Jewish day school outside Boston to a very large high school and I. Would say I really didn't talk to anybody like literally from the first two years of high school I went to my work him home. And didn't really make any friends. So probably junior year I involved a lot of things junior year Mela people had really good time but at the same time, it was also very very deeply in the closet and really was not connecting with anybody else that was gay or bisexual or anything like that So I I was I really struggled I. Think it affected my my growth obviously I wasn't communicating socially with anyone it was dating anybody. I did go to once I made friends junior senior year I went to probably six or seven proms or junior Italians because. The women's around because they could tell like I had no interest to them but Maybe they couldn't tell the. You know I was Gonna I was more of a gentle guy than a lot of their friends but on. But I was really excited to graduate high school and move on from that experience of nightmares about it. I was like I can't open my lock early fit. The lock open for classing going to it doesn't sound too terrible but the stress and anxiety of being a teenager in high school all that all those feelings began dream is dreams like deal in raw emotion and that will ship will take you right back. It's really. Awful. But I'm telling you that junior year can be the great like democratize. Are you know you get your driver's license? You can break out a little bit. Like try new things. Wouldn't go back for all the money in the world, but that is. I Never WanNa be that age again it's tough. It's tough age down. But. It's an age that you are in a way having to relive because you are you cast a lot of shows that high school. That's true. That's that's a really good point I. Mean I think I piloted gossip girl, which was nothing like high school that I went to. But I think the reason we like shows like that I think that's only like riverdale gossip girl announced of because. They're fantasy base. You know it's. The people don't necessarily look like people that went to school with certain. There's so much drama. There's so much stuff happening. That I certainly have none of that kind of. Drama in my school or my school experience. But I do I do love a good coming of age TV show or film. I really resonate with those because I. Think I'm still trying to understand sort of my own my own community age. So it is it is wit. Rebel Act. So after high school, you go to Emerson. Had what was your major? I was a General S, which is basically liberal arts. So a BA in mass communication which at the time was. Film Television. Radio New Media New media is the Internet right anymore but twenty years ago it was pretty new had a minor in psychology and I loved Emerson College you know the the hard thing about for me was that everyone there was so focused I'm going to be an actor director editor. They knew they wanted to do the second bay step foot there but I I really was lost. I just knew I wanted to be in entertainment. And I. Didn't know how and I I got an internship in casting just followed by pass. And that's what that me here and now you know twenty years later it's like it feels a little too late to turn around and change everything. But that's where I am legend. Would want to but it's it was just funny. I felt like like everyone is new in there. Who they were, they wanted to do I really feel like I fell into it. And you Ron at Everson right? Yes. So Rodman I. met onto random occasions. One was in Boston what A boy was friends with had a crush on me and run in the Boeing wanted introduce ron to me to kind of get Ron. Ron? That me didn't really care one way or the other Yassin's by love. Nothing either guy, and then our last Semester College doubts Los Angeles, and we lived in Oakland apartments across the hall from each other and I guess his roommate. Then, crushing me as well. I was in the closet that they must have picked up on something I assume and. And said the same thing like what do you think David Enron the? Don't waste your time. He's like go for someone else and then Ron. Kinda, you know made his move and what was his moved twenty eight story. Boy Well, I don't want. Barris wrong because not here but he he He flirted. He kinda made his interests and intentions known and I was so shy and I was so scared on that. I didn't initially. Respond, you know we've become really good friends and then Than we went out drinking when I and the rest is history. Yeah, my. Love at the oakwoods love of the OAKWOODS. Yeah. So what was what were you telling yourself about yourself in this time? Did you think that you were straight or religious sublimating the whole thing? No I knew I was gay I knew I was gay I was just on. I was I was terrified. I was ashamed I didn't see myself in culture agency myself in this world and despite going to college predominantly day. School certainly David there are a lot of other day classmates there I still didn't. Feel like I feel comfortable I think there was a lot of self hatred I. I grew up in a pretty conservative Jewish family who expect to me you know not only to marry a woman to be a doctor a lawyer or rabbi, and I felt like I was just constantly letting people down and I think in the back of my head if you'd ask me then. I would've denied it but I would have said, you know I will likely married woman and have children and Folly Sarah's man on the side at thought that was going to be my way through. And actually my first started dating Ron. I was terrified I was terrified to be terrified two minutes myself to my family and I try to up with him and Ron, said, breaking up with me because you don't like me because you're scared and I said, I'm scared and around that time college roommate also outed me my entire college Had yet seen ron shoes like in the hallway of our apartment insider are you on was going on with you guys may said. Honestly I don't know renewed meal Luke fused. Please don't say anybody You know I have to the south and that night he went to a bar with all the people in La. Going Emerson at the time and I assume he got kinda drunk maybe felt uncomfortable about it and blurted it out and I just I appreciate back in the classroom I've felt scared. So a lot of this overcoming my fear but having the support of Ron and my friends than my family really encouraged me to to come out in I still feel like I'm coming I still feel like concluded terms with. Who I am accepting myself and loving myself. It's it's been a bit of a journey. God. So He Being outed what talk me through that feeling like did you? How did you find out? Somebody emailed me somebody on I went to my internship. Sitting at my desk, the next morning, and some of the East Coast emailed me and said, I heard your gaze true. Jesus yeah and imitated spread so far and I've courses in such denial to myself in didn't minutes anybody else and then you know than than the my closer friends started saying it hurt you know that member Matt. Said something and I was terrified. I. Screamed and yelled this guy I have not talked to him in. What is now twenty years? I've let go the anger since you know trying to understand his point of view and understand that you know he was probably confused or upset himself and didn't quite know how to articulate that That said I I also has other issues with him as a friend who was integrated friend and I feel like I didn't really need that energy my life I'm not looking to reconcile them not holding onto any anger but I do feel like you know time my life it was real difficult. I was really hurt I was I was afraid of being outed. I was afraid that people would think I was a liar that I kept things from them. And I was always on edge Salem's going to reveal my secret So when it when it happened, I had nothing else to do to kind of accept it own it. But it did take a few more years from you to fully come out. I am feeling in my chest right now so I don't know. I'm like I'm glad that you were able to let go of the anger but I I have not. That kinda shit makes me go crazy. We had that in my high school where a boy puts. Probably five hundred flyers in all the seniors lockers that out of this one kid. It was a really messy situation for so many reasons but on the reason that the kid did that this other tate is that my friend who was outed had told. His friends mother that this boy had been abusing her and because about the boycott back at him by outing although the classmates in you know this guy was devastated he's he's really well adjusted. Now I think he's married he's working. He's doing great. But you know when when you're in high school these things just when whenever, whenever. But especially Mexico destroy you. And I think by wincing that I was afraid I was afraid that if I were to cross the line, they would reveal my secret if I were to. Just be myself live my life reveal? The negative way is linked to be shameful up. So that's I was getting these messages. So just a bad thing I wanna be. A person. Are you still in touch with allow you still tight with a lot of people from Emerson? Yet Oh for sure. Yeah. I do have a very good like. I don't think anyone would shock. There is knowing that like turn their back on me because. It was just you know. but I certainly am not. Yeah of course. But you and Ron must be the only couple who was got together then is still together now. Okay. Like don't want to reveal the person with me, but I will say is that My roommate who adamy started dating Ron's remain. and. They have been together since and are married with children. So we're we both have been together for twenty years but couples our some. Cheese. Fair he's strange. Yeah. I Yeah I don't blame you for never speaking to him again, but I also am just so like morbidly curious what would happen if you were thrown together situation with him You're Virginia Woolf with these two couples. The. Best thing I had actually tell you was About a year ago. We'll take it back a little further when I was just transitioning into high school. I, was talking to a former friend from middle school and I was telling her press I wasn't how hard it was in her response was alive you just kill yourself. And I don't know what was behind that I know she was a friend. I. Don't they. She actually meant any harm or maybe she would suggest honestly don't know where that was. Ever suggest that anyone at A. Teenager that's really really painful and I'll never forget that. And I had. I've had some success. That has gone suppressed in the past few years really good really good work on some some wonderful projects, projects, featuring lgbtq actors, and characters, and this article came out in the advocate and I. It was I was so proud about no being a voice for this community, and so I posted anonymously by hit her name on instagram. Her message to me that came last year I'm so proud of you and all your conflict glick. Happy claiming that affect and I said, remember we told me to kill myself. Swipe left. Picture myself from the advocate like satellite will like this. Like. David, rappaport is a hero to light lgbtq plus like transpeople link has changed people's lives and it was such a proud moment not only to for myself to see how much how much I had. Connected myself to the gay, community and accepted myself, and then use that as as a super power is my strength and say, I don't you know that didn't break me then it won't break me now look how strong I was the custom am now and proud to be gay You know it just it. It was such a big moment for me to realize how are I- and Ns I felt really good. Again ends a little a little bit. Longer Lester. NATTO. But. You're gay superhero I mean you have to throw shade. Aggressive. Bureau, you gotta go for it. Did you ever hear from her after though shoot I mean she has been trying to be me ever since. You I. think that's that's normal and natural a lot of people in the business who kind of make it. So to speak she said, she didn't remember telling me to kill myself but it's one of those things I would never forget So. Again, I really I was having fun. I don't hold too much anger denser or any English to say I don't know where her head was up. But I certainly you know have that. Felt really go to you know to let go public. You seem incredibly emotionally healthy for had. Some wild. Shit happens. That a lot of therapy support you know, I looked to a lot of my friends. We've all had to watch it happen to us and I think that's That's how we survive assuring the source of each other and and really feeling like a community I. I wouldn't be here without my mandate families of speak. And you ron were together for how long before getting gauged. We were together Omega was so desperate very we were together for a WANNA say. Maybe, like seven years, we live together and I started like leaving wedding magazines all. and. There were no game running magazines at the time and just waiting magazines and. Yelling. Addresses and. Finally got the hint and I. Think I wasn't working at the time he was like unique to get a job, and then we can talk about getting married and it was over Christmas and I Literally like just focuses book the job and so right after Christmas I proposed him I gotTa Job. Let's get married. Let's do it on that was that was in two thousand. I want to two, thousand, fourteen near. So we got two thousand. Note that's not true. Two, thousand twelve we got married. So probably two thousand eleven. And where'd you married? We got married in providence out at the red. End. Right at the tip of Cape Carts. For those who don't know sort of like is a gay Mecca for Massachusetts is a town right on the water. There's all different kinds of shapes and sizes and ages. It's. It was an artist colony and there's just a amazing sense of energy and. Community there and I think. It really is it really really. Then, just curious. What were you? Can you describe if there were like wedding photos what you guys looks like or what the? must've told you this already but like? We thought at the time I will say at the time white men's suits seem to be really popular, and so we thought we both were white men suits but instead of getting them Taylor, there were kind of baggy on us. So I looked like nurses wearing these white suits. We. So, hardcore we tan. So our core rt widen. So we look. Range on the lake tens nurses with White Sea. Is Not a representation of US ever early. How he dress or what we look like and I mean, it was it was so bizarre and looking at like I you know it was one of the best days of my life obviously but. We're able to kind of laugh at it because it was a little. A. Little silly. With that in the yeah, we didn't. We didn't set out to be can't Susani but a kind of a happen. I'm picturing you. With. Own. You won't see a picture from her wedding earn my house anywhere. 'em All. And where will see one? Where's the conservative Jewish family with thing now of their unbelievable, their mom my mom surprisingly had the hardest time with it and she she didn't really see it coming for some reason at my dad's sets me when I came out my biggest fear is that I would never truly know who you are and I'm so glad I do and they ban both grown in such Leeson vows. My mom is. Involved in cash, which is a gay Jewish Organization they are so in love with Ron like sometimes more. So than me, which is totally fine it's it's never ever been an issue since I think like I said there is there is a learning curve. I had. I came at twenty, five, twenty, five years come to terms with it myself and I still have to do and I think within you know. A very short while they really were just immediately open to ron and open to the idea they just a lot questions but now it's you know it's not even a conversation. So it's not a question. It's the really really wonderful. I feel so blessed. Honestly That's beautiful yeah. Do you guys talk about kids. We don't because we don't really want them were currently in the middle of talking about a dog. I surprisingly dog Ron doesn't. Seem next time just like talk about how much failures to talk. About his mind but but no I think he'll be like, yeah. I remember when I was at your house like over herself inside and it was disaster. Maybe dislike. Support. The general. But. Yeah. No no no kids I think. We have worked so hard throughout the years to really just focus on kind of bringing each other out we've been together since we were basically kids who are twenty years old We're both forty two now and are being home is our safety. You know there's so much shit out there in the world with work and we tried so hard to. A place where we both feel safe taking care of, and there's no distraction whatsoever not to say that kids are terrible distraction or unsafe but for that's what sort feeds heals us is each other's company and we've been. I. Hate to say enjoying this tightness joining this time during. because. It's allowed to spend time to the renumber. Usually hat we used to see each other maybe two hours a day in a come home better day report about his day than we watching. TV and go to sleep. Now we're home together all robbing breakfast together lunch together taking walks and. Connecting and communicating more than we ever have. So in some ways, it's been really great. You know it's a terrible terrible time, but it's been a good bonding experience for us. David Rappaport you are. An Angel. And really appreciate doing this. I'm so excited to be here. 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Vacation Shit, Bro Science FTW and the Dangers of Jiujitsu

Trap House Variety Hour

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Vacation Shit, Bro Science FTW and the Dangers of Jiujitsu

"Welcome back to another episode of the trap house variety hour. This week's episode we recapped, you see two thirty five we talk about Davinci one hundred corpses. We give you a nation, you can use such as how long you can choke someone before you give them brain damage where they poop themselves. We have a large dosage Abreau science this episode where we tackle antibac- Sers, Floride adolescent, and we'll hear only trembles Friday, our. Hey hello. We're back back and better than ever. Did you get? Did you get my for not my did you get Stephen? Hawking's horny, Stephen Hawkins' freestyle. I didn't listen to it, yet, he didn't know 'cause I haven't been home to set that up. But I'm excited. I like I like Stephen hawking horny Stephen horny. Stephen hawking is a I guess what is commonly known today is like a soundcloud rapper. Oh, okay. So he likes sends freestyles to me. And in addition to new an interest for the show, so and so the today, he sent me one, but he asked me to have you lay it under a labeet under. It is at the might isn't how my. Yeah. I guess your best agent soundcloud, rapper too. And so I don't know how you're going to match the whole thing up. I don't either. I'm me post production, the people in, in post. Yes, in, I mean, I guess that's a little unfair for me to give you just a, a freestyle rap from, you know, from from a high level rapper. Yes. But then just say, okay, fine, a b late under there in, you know, I'm b- I want to be doing some chopping and screwing some imitation beat making music making. So tonight here's what you have on your deck. You're gonna I think you're gonna come out of here super hot in then you're going to go home. And I soon we're gonna have another beer to, and then you're gonna start packing for your white trip. And then you're gonna also mix, you're gonna chop and screw horny Stephen Hawking's wraps, who would be, well, it's mostly ready to go. I just have to add the intro in there. So that might be quick. I was hoping to get some video games to what do you plan plan puppy G? Yeah. I'm on it. It's terrible. Actually getting a little better. But. But I'm still really bad in so pudgy is one of these what are they called now last January medoro? And so everybody they fight into the last man last squad standing. Right. I'm actually surprised that took this long to get a game like that doesn't seem like a simple concept. Yeah. It fair enough. I mean they've had this multi-player thing going now for twenty years, you know, longtime and certainly in the last man, standing thing is fun. I, but I'm still like a I'm still a free for all match guy. I like free for to. That's kinda fun. We'd anything any man, but he goes, yeah, I like I like the idea having just one life where you run around and loot up. And then plot on everybody else's demise. I think the probably the one thing, the technology that wasn't here that, that wasn't in the past that have prevented us from having his twenty years ago was that they didn't have the match making. Capabilities to get everybody in the lobby that quick to get 'em launched again is at the hang up the bottleneck that at this like the only guests I can have. Maybe that's why they have so many like network issues and loading in issues all that stuff. Yeah. In this, you know, it's, it's almost enough for me to I, but I still don't like that. It's still a big tree big of a gap for me. The loading. Yeah. In between, like especially like a when you die in one of these king of the hill thing, it's so crushing. You know. And I'm so mad to watch everybody loot your shit the that's the worst or teabag, your corpse. You know, is that too in in or they show you the replay of just how fucking ridiculous? You look you know, running around like what the fuck you have no idea what's going on. Yeah. That's what I'm running around. Like anyway. And so he gets to watch the replay of your own demise, and that's humiliating. And it's just like it's the same thing like it. In your ego. You like I'm fucking ninja. I'm like I'm creeping the you know, and I blast on fools, but no. When you see the video, you're walking around total jackass and your head sticking out there. Yeah. It's like the same thing when a watching a video of Mirol in, you know, in the ego, I'm like I'm flowing like water. You know. But when I see the actual video of me rolling here in the gym. It's just it's a sad humping. Anytime is see a kill Cam of myself running around, like that at Mike. Why can't there be dudes out there for me to shoot? They're doing this kinda shit, everybody that I'm trying to shoot licking their snipers. Yeah, I see the. Yeah, that, that no one's playing with honor you know that they're not. They're not out there another. They're playing with auditor is better than me at the game. He attic. Yeah. As the is the main factor there. You know, I'm just I'm a I'm bad at the multiple video games, always have been really. Well, it's, we've talked about this in the past that, it's, it's, it's not necessarily a positive indicator. If you're good of the game, you know, it's actually a positive indicator for bad at than that means you haven't spun that many hours into a main unless you could be one of these video game huggers, which, you know, I'm nowhere close to that. You know, that hill is just like miles, high couldn't climb them the lifetime. I don't think. Never know. Crazy shit's happened. You've got let's just say in in your video game history. Maybe four two thousand hours in these things in the last twenty years. I think that might be a fair number. I'm sure can't do the math that quick, but. So you're only nine thousand hours away. Fuck. So, but in thousand hours in twenty years, I can I can never get there. See. Oh, I didn't think about that. Sorry. We're all gonna die. Let's talk about real quick. You got a trip to why coming up? Yeah. Fucking in. There's no you don't have to go in. Get your scrap on. It's not for a fight. You're not going to be in somebody's Goerner. You're going for your own fun. Yeah. Doing Hawaii shit. We're gonna we're gonna go fishing whale watching the do some beaching. I imagine it's gonna be it's gonna be nice. I think so you'll kill a fish. But you you'll just watch oil. Yeah, no killing the whales. I liked the whales, you know. No, no knew. Why not even though we're killing the whales indirectly you'll kill other mammals? I. Yeah. I mean, I would you know, kill like you know food. Mammals praemium. Hey. You can get all sorts of good shit out of a whale. Yeah, I guess I don't know. I'm not trying to drag the time now. I mean actually I'm kind of a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Fish? But not not the whales. I don't eat oils. I need them for or dolphins. Surpri. Never good. Honestly, but a has all sorts of meat and like old blubber and you can like it, though. He can use it to let your your lamp the bucket electricity lamp. What am I look like someone will own of those guys on life below zero? I don't have electricity shit. I got thug in render seal blubber. I don't even know where I would start with that fry kill the seal. I, I guess, so you're gonna do some fishing and you're gonna do some your what's this road to HANA thing, you what is that actually have no idea what that is? Is it a votes doors? Like a it's like a some kind of high altitude thing mountain type deal going up a mountain, I believe, okay? And I think we're gonna do that for sunrise. So we're gonna try to be up there much sun, come up that's worth it. That's worth that investment, yet totally. And what's the allegation that you get has a covered? You know, you just Sean up with shoes in your shorts. Yeah. I'm going to be a face timing into class. It's going to be five hours early too. So that's now befallen of that, you gotta hook up in your in your me class. It's gonna is that what you're talking about this. You're gonna that they're gonna point a camera the professor. Well at there's prejudice pointed at the overhead projector thing. And is it just a student that's helping you out? Or is it like something that's always on deck? Yeah. Well, this, I did this an Ireland to luckily, when I went there only only missed one day classic O'day, but I'm missed full week this time. Thank you. So earlier today, I sent you a fire link of. Yeah. The eighteenth century wax anatomy, those fucking. What do you? Call him. Waxen Adamy, but models modest. Yeah, that's it's funny you said that to me today 'cause today I was in class, and I was talking to Mark fresno's tell him, but that I was going to be gone next week. I looked over on his. Desk, and he had this binder with like this. The old school painting on it from dating hundreds or somewhere back then. And I was like, what is that in on? He's like, oh, this is this is a painting. He's like back when anatomy, I started the whoever's, the scientists whoever's doing the navy didn't want to get their hands dirty so they make the slaves do all the dissecting so and so it showed like this disemboweled person on a board on a, like a slab, basically, in, there's a bunch of, like scholarly people standing at the outskirts. Like with pens in whatever stylists, whatever they call them back then and then there's some slaves, you know, dissecting this guy. Really? Yeah. So, and it was a it was a, it was a carving or a Inc. Representative has that was just the black and white thing crazy. It's like a painting or something. And it was some school in England or something. No. I think it was like European. Leeann Europe somewhere. No. Like enlightenment, type places. I imagine didn't say we were talking about Davinci, right? Didn't that think say that eventually dissect it over? However many Davinci, carved up, personally a hundred cadavers. And so you gotta be fucking great artists before you start doing that in the fifteen dollars, I think, is into weirdo. I'm getting past. I'm getting a little long in the tooth. I haven't card up any fucking cadavers. It's just like. It's just like one more thing. Yeah. Maybe checked off my bucket list. We'll listen I like when I was in high school like we got we got these cats that we carved up like no. Yes, because it wasn't a cat that I got the. No, it was like in science class. But we opened this thing up in for me at least for my uneducated is it was just a big Brown massive mess. You know. And I just I couldn't it really turned me off the science and it wasn't that I had a bad specimen, because everybody had the same fucking shitty. Just just a fucking. It looked like just a bowl of slop. You know. And so I was like what? This thing that's a weird in highschool. Where do they get these cats? Well, it's funny you say that there was a, a couple of guys actually, their high school kids found out with the cat hookup was there's, like the, the teacher had a cat hookup in. They actually bought cats on the side, and they put him in this guy's yard that they didn't like on crosses was is very bizarre awful. There's some bizarre shit that went on in my eyes. Sounds I isn't that the weirdest thing like, as I haven't said this out loud, sin for twenty plus years? Right. I definitely kick somebody's ass if they do that in. So, yeah, they, they put these cats out on the guys yard in. They went and bought him from the cats. Dead cat supply store now. Okay. It's a fantastic thing in house of cats. Yeah. That's right. It was a drive through. Anyway. So I you know, I, I assume dead cats if you really want when you can kill at low low prices, we dissected frogs and is school. I think we're doing a cow eyeball this semester. But yeah, I don't know about actually, the dissection to smell that bothers me that formaldehyde, I'm not really into that. The BBC article I sent you. It talked about these really intricate wax in marble dummies that are models that, that people made in the eighteen hundreds that are still liking incredible shape today, and that you can like remove pieces, you know, like an in your science class in high school. And I seem in, in college to the, you know, they have those does an. Anatomical in atomic. Oh, fuck and models. He can pull the thing. But these are like they have these, like beautiful blonde women, you know, I read that they have they use real hair, too. And they're like wearing pearls sculpture, poses. But then they have their bowels exposed. Yeah. And I mean, I was just, you know, if I was like, in a more comfortable position, you know, and like I felt safe, maybe I would have got a little blood flow on this thing. But it's like I you know, it was like, that's how you know, that's exposed organs while you're doing this. Yeah, I this I discovered that about today. Do have some. You have some. I do. Yes. You know, let us never speak of that, the but yeah, the it's really these really remarkable models, you know. And so, I guess what we could do is on track house, Twitter, as we could we could share the link with every. See what's going on in the enlightenment era, artistes schedule remaining, and just how far ahead they were. Yeah. That these guys were essentially. Creating incredibly accurate representations of parts and pieces. They didn't even know what they were what function they served, right? They just knew there in there doing stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Plus they were always, I was thinking about the social pressure. Do you tell somebody that you in the twelve hundred zero whenever that dissect, it, somebody will clearly Davinci wasn't feeling any pressure all because each sliced up one hundred ninety five dollars. But I bet he did that after he had everybody knew he was like the good artists. Yeah. I can't come out at the gate with that. Yeah. And he was definitely straight legit genius level. You know, you gotta have that out there before you start requesting the top people in that era. But I and I immediately once I saw that. I just I've waited the Davinci thing because if you look at Davinci and like all the things he did and was capable of and just as daily ammo. It's, it's pretty humiliating for when to look at that as its lettering, such Huggies greater snack good. It's not healthy for me to do that. I gonna look away these in that an anonymous today, can't sculpt strong these guys. Yeah. They can't have no to stick accurate wax casts of these things. Nothing. How can we don't learn about that in the management class like history of the stuff we even learn shit about that? That's no fun. Yeah. The. Okay. I, I see we'll take me take me there. Where would the value be in that whole thing? Well, I think probably just for me that would help he helped me. Learn be more grounded how so just give me like a bridge too. You know, it, it does help when, when like he mentions the teacher mentions. Something in, you can break down the word into, like Latin or Greek or whatever that helps me out that we can like identify something, even if you don't know what it is in kinda dentistry about awards in it. You know. So it's just more context for me, which is helpful. I think we can talk a little bit about this, maybe last week in week four, even from like a like an engineering concept is like to understand, like how we built, you know how we built the these bridges are the first porticos or you know, like the first I design pieces that allowed us to, to build three stories. You know, it's like to understand how we got to this point, I think would be useful. So I could see how that would have liked it to Natta me. I guess they don't do that, though. Like when I when I took. My brief re entry into college algebra, which only lasted like a week for this, when they, they had like a couple little snippets in the book about, like pathetic or Euclid in on. I'm like, who fog are these guys and you have a little, it's the whole system of geometry's named after this guy, you can't dedicate more than like a box on page to him know, in that kind of seems wrong to me to me like if you're learning about something that this guy vintage kinda learn about him a little bit. You know, like why is he? What did he feel like you needed to come up with this kind of thing? You know, we'll let them to that kind of thing. Did you ever learn who Euclid was? I don't know shit about Hewlett. If you saw the guy walking through the hall yet. Fuck you is looking at. Right. Gotta cry Euclid, Euclid and do some fucking geometry. Look like a bitch. Sh let's talk about UC to thirty five real quick. Okay. Okay. This enemy stuff, M M A, St. some alpha some of the let's do some official album shit. Man. Man alpha men. Let's go to the headline. The John Jones, Anthony Smith. K. The fight goes all the way right? Because the car. In it's, it's a it's a clear five round. Maybe it's a clear five round win. Right. John Jones controls the fight controls. The distance off of five rounds. Definitely works. His game plan. He was looking pretty good kicking kicking ass. Yeah. And not even I mean not even safe. I mean he's definitely in a firing range and, and Anthony can get to him. And he's, you know, put himself in position to finish the thing, but he put himself in position to win and fight the fight that he wanted to fight here. I really love the I love the five rounds. I enjoyed the fight. Yeah. It was good fight. I mean, a John Jones in control the whole time, I have to Smith wasn't having too much success is couldn't get anything going, you know. So I think that's probably the for, you know, it's definitely the first person there's not too many people on John Jobs's level. You know. So you can't it's hard to get a look at somebody like that. You know, even if had a bunch of experience like Anthony Smith has. So, you know, I don't I don't know that anybody is going to be Tom Jones, that maybe Daniel Cormie, I'd like to see that fight. I mean, I don't know if I'd like to see that fight again, actually in a already one to kind of some, some people, I mean, I of think I know that the way that will go, you know, but anything had happened. Yeah. The well, just on the on the DC tip, there's no way he's going down two to five and survives. I mean he looks like Ashy Larry from the World Series at dies when he goes down to five. It looks dangerously bad. Yeah. You know, he's he can make two five but I don't think he wants to. I don't think he, he doesn't need. Any doesn't need to. Yeah. So and so, but that's still sets up a really fun fight at heavyweight. Yeah. Dude, heavyweight in and then that allows you to take away the two losses are not take away, but allows you to sort of mitigate the two losses. The DC has to John Jones and saying, okay, now it's a heavyweight till where perhaps some of the disadvantages that, that, that DC had to bring into that fight at two five are mitigated or are disappeared. You know, have to go through a brutal cut, and he can face John Jones at his at is Mark standing wait. That could be a different fight. Couple few things change heavyweight Daniels. Got like you said he's got a little bit more pop probably in just being fresher, not having to cut way. But other than that, I mean, John Jones looked a little bigger, this fight, and he's, he's a pretty big guy anyway. So I don't know. I just don't see much changing, even if it's heavyweight. Then John Jones could be the champ cham-. Yeah. You know again. No not again. That'd be that'd be his first champ champ. Wouldn't yes definitely and the. What? Well, let's jump over. Then real quick to the possibility for Anthony Smith that at some point, the fight was stopped was at is would. So I don't know third around, or fifth round with Ron John Jones so weird situation because they have this rule. They changed the rules about a down to Ponant you know, but only certain athletic commissions are accepting these rules, apparently, Vegas, isn't one of them, but, but a New York, I think in jersey, you know, they're going by the new rules where you had to have, like. You had to have like both hands both poems or both fists down or or knee, you know and. Anthony John, Anthony Smith was like under those rules. That would have been a legal strike a legal strike, you know, because Anthony was coming up. I think he had his feet on the ground in had like one hand on the ground. You know. So a lot of people, you know, John Jones later, that knee and her her, whoever was referenced stopped the fight for a little bit as, as the Anthony, if you wanted to continue, and he said, yes, a lot of people were speculating that in, I haven't heard this from people like REO Awani who probably would have shit on him if he had taken that move, you know, taking out there, but instead, you know, in this situation who's saying, I can't believe in things, but didn't take the. Take the win their, you know. And yeah. You know, I've been saying that like nobody wants to win like that. You know, even though even though there's a lot on the other side of that. But I just don't you know, most most fighters aren't gonna take that I don't think not the guy's not the guys that want to be in there. You know that think they can win the fight or or, or just yeah, I don't know if it's reputational thing or what, what exactly is happening when something like that happens. But I imagine when like you're in the middle of a fight like it can't be like, you know, if like you got kicking the balls and you just didn't want to fight anymore. And then you so you took the the easy road out. I mean it's kinda the same thing. But like if you wanna fight. He wanna fight. And if you don't you're gonna find a way out at that that way presents itself, it's like kinda looks better than. Than injuring out or doing something, you know, something like that. Oh, this guy broke the rules, you know. But which is true. You know, so I don't know you can never never say until you're in that situation, you know, I like to think that. That to me, personally, I don't wanna win like that. So I would I would keep fighting you know, plus I think are gonna win. I'm not gonna get into fight, if I don't think I am win, you know, well just to go back to that decision point, is that the ref approaches Anthony and says, you know, can you continue if Anthony says I can't continue because of a legal strike to my head illegally and niece ahead. You know that's that's all some lights out or some super dizzying shit. Right. I mean, it's not that's something, you want to have in your day to day life right now. You're not it's a traumatic fucking event. You're not trying to take too many of those in. So in the reality that not reality situation. But let's talk about the fight. I mean you know, he's still in the fight even though you know, he's on the wrong side of this fight. He is not he's on the verge being dominated, not quite being dominated, but he's losing, and he's losing his dummies losing a lot of places right, for sure. And so he could say, well, you know, in terms of justification it's like. I I've taken a knee here. I'm still in this fight with his knees. Taking me completely at us fight or this knee is taking me out his fight in a place that I shouldn't be taken out of, you know, or sticking me just one notch lower than I need than I than I was before this fucking me hit me in the head. And this is like in, in this is also a watershed moment where if he does say, I can't go on then. That means he gets he then essentially becomes the champion. He essentially then takes the win. I don't know if he gets a win bonus. Yeah. Get a okay. That's a significant number because I think his salary for that fight. It was a three fifty so it's three fifty win are three fifty shows and three fifty win. So then so okay. That's three hundred fifty thousand bucks, right there. He make that decision three fifty in your pocket. Okay. That's not bad. Of course, you've got to pay out to the government and Zere agent and to. Your crew and all that stuff. In your your Val A and all that about that after pocket seven hundred. Okay. So, okay. But then, in addition to that, then there's also a fight on the back end of that, that obviously, they're gonna walk John John's back to you, and they're going to say, let's run this thing back again. And so, in, you know, maybe the, the UFC or whatever organizations, as puts the screws and says, okay, we're going to do this at three fifty because you took these you way out. I can't do that. They can't be sure while they, you know, I'm sure it depends on what his contract says, but if he goes, if he goes into the win it says, generally, it says in the contract would say yes, if you're a winner. What, how would that work? How would that what gets to the next tier level of pay? Whatever that is in that's in black and white on the fucking contract. Right. And so that's an there's now we're talking about. So now you've made a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar decision. Right. And then on the back end of that, maybe it's another nen. It's like a five hundred wind show, you know, her. Sort of show phone. That's and that's another, so that's another half that night got a half a million on the horizon. It got to go through the four months of training and all that stuff, and that's significant output of energy and all that stuff. But it's really the you're at the pinnacle of the whole game, you're at the top of the fucking pyramid of that maslow's pyramid that you spent all that time to get there. You know, so I you know, I could I could see, of course, I don't have that fighters mentality. And I, I understand to get to that level, you probably you have to pro, you know ninety nine point nine percent of the motherfuckers out there after bring that mentality of, of win overall as or it's not even but is it a win with honor thing. I mean, I guess I mean I don't know. I just I was kinda surprised to hear the media speculating on, whether he like they, they were incredulous like they couldn't believe it, you know after covering the guy for so long it's been in the game for while is that a bunch of fights. That is not. There's no there was never any like indication in his personality that he would do something like that. I see. No of you felt like the media was painting it as a Anthony from everything. We know about Anthony, he should he would have taken that deal will. Yeah. I mean I'm not saying they were saying that, but I'm just saying that they, it would surprise surprise me to see them. I'm saying that they can't they couldn't believe that he didn't take the win after knowing a little bit about him. And he's like, you know, he's out there fight, you know, he's not like getting kicked on balls in the fucking taken a knee, you know. Yeah, it's just, you know, just just doesn't. He didn't have a history or anything like that. So I wasn't that surprised that he kept fighting? I was surprised at all. He kept fighting no. Yeah. I mean I, I definitely I gotta get a love love the decision for it. But in the end it's like he can also here's an opportunity essentially, get the dope. Get the dope on John John's. Okay. I went through these rounds with John John's in. He was on the winning side of this thing. You know how still in the fight but I got hit with his knee. Let's go back and reassess how this thing goes in this guarantees me rematch on with, with leverage. Right. This is where like I kind of think that the, the pay structure, should just be a little. Different because like you're not gonna you're not gonna hire a guy. As we gotta fight at a lower level. If he's done show like that, you know, the guys that do she like that are making it to the title fights. You know, so just the just doesn't match up. Anthony John are Anthony Smith shouldn't have to worry about his win bonus or whatever the fuck, you know, if he's making a decision whether to fight or not it should just be up to him. You know, like do I wanna fight only keep going or not? You know, that's, that's kind of that's kind of fighter you want. So the guys that aren't that's kind of fighter that promoters want, so the guys kind of take the easy way out like that aren't are getting those probably by large aren't getting those opportunities. They're not the kind of people you want. Anyway. You know, nobody wants to fuck in see that she'd on TV is like I mean, you know if he did done that people would be fucking destroying him right now. You know, oh, the just put keep going. Anthony Johnson, Anthony Smith's pussy. Yes. We know he took the easy way out. John Jones kicking his ass. I mean you would hurt left and right now. Yeah. And he'd have to really embrace the total. He'll turn at that point, you know, he'd have to just love it going into. But in, in very few people are capable of that, and have have the, the have the not half the backbone, honestly, skinned to pull that off the tough one to pull off, as do, she is cold is he's not doing anything like that. Can't you, you know? I just know he said these guys are competitors. You know they wanna fuck him win. It has not it is about the money. But anybody that gets in it for the money like, you know, there's no fucking money in it unless you get to a certain level. So a guy fucking jumps in the cage in fights for two hundred dollars doesn't give a fuck about the money. You know, does not what it's about the end of the day. So I mean, it is about the money definitely is about money, but certain points kinda like I seen at a bottom of the middle of that pyramid. Yes. It's, it's a very, it's not a there's not a it's not a money game. I hear what you're saying. So like the guys that are getting in there that really wanna fight. They they just really wanna fight. You know, there's not, you know, I made one hundred dollars my first fight, you know, they're so every day, there's some somebody out there fucking fighting for LA lesson that, you know, in so. Just give give us some perspective on what I what I call a lot of people call these the local smokers where you know, there's a there's a fight at the local casino like the, the local hairs, local mayor star. And so, what are those guys making in those fights dude? They're making Plugin couple of hundred couple hundred or something like that. I mean most of those guys are making their walking out, even if they win or walking out with hundred thousand bucks, you know, way under those books. Yeah. So it's not all that lucrative at that level. So the guys that get into it are, are gonna be like fucking thinking about their career and then taking a knee after some kicks, someone kicks him in the balls. They're there to fight Mike compete in there to fucking win. Right. Because the, the two hundred dollars four hundred dollar promoters, not gonna call those guys back Brown. I mean he probably will you know, but I don't know. It's just. There. There are people out there that do shit like that, though. Of course, but the majority guys are I feel like fairly honest in that respect, you know, guys are gonna most guys are going to come out and fight. You know, just come out to, to battle in not just take a cheap win. The other thing I liked about the way John Jones pursued this fight as it really, it got me excited for what the future holds for him in that he could really build a pretty. I mean he's already built something incredible in terms of, of his fight history. But he could really build something in the next, you know, five to ten years, if you if he wants to thank you. He's got probably the prime of his career should knows long as he can stay focused and stay in the cage. You know, which seems like he's been doing like you got in right after that last fight you got back into the gym look like. Spec in their working so. Yeah, it's exciting. I don't know. Who's gonna fight? I'm not like who, who want seem fight on? I don't know. There's not really much going on there. You know. That's okay. I think that's an okay thing to. It's that we I, I understand that there's not a ton of prospects that have a pedigree. But that a promotion can create something interesting to put illest put if you put three bodies in front of this guy in there's danger everywhere. Right. And he rattled rattles off three consecutive wins with, you know, some, some nasty looking characters, and then that allows that gives us more time to figure out what's next. You know, maybe it's not three fires. Yeah. He'll just keep knocking them down from him on the practice run through that division makes him stacks cash and nothing's padding because even you know, it's not paying a record because even a guy that, who I guess, you know, we could call it at the. John Jones, the skill set. He brings he, he outmatched Anthony John why now I'm calling them. Anthony Johnson calcium Kathy Smith. He outmatched him in, in every place that you can be matched up, you know, but they're still danger in in being in that matchup. You know, there's still strikes to be. He still has take some strike. She still has to get up off the ground. He still can be he still can be taken down 'cause they're still danger there. So I think they're still there's gonna be some, some good fights for John Johnson. Yeah, they'll put him a menace gave him busy as long as he's a pissing clean, and you know standing from behind the wheel. Let's, let's go. Let's watch him work. You know the another highlight from that card was the Robbie Lawler, Ben aspirin fight that was crazy. Yeah. Those, those fun. So I think it lasted tuna half minutes. So take us through that fight real quick. I'm not sure how this happened. But the first thing I remember is like been being on Ravi shoulders in like a torture rack position and then Robbie just fucking dumping them on his head. And it seemed like all the sudden Ben's face was bloodied in know, Ragas punching him, obviously, to, but then there's a scramble and been up in the school yard choke physician in. We saw Robbie's armed fall super funny. I kinda thought he was out, you know, in the heat of the moment, but then, right after her stopped at Robbi got up protesting in kind of soften the video that herb. Checked his arm, but didn't really like wait for the response from him before he broke it up. So, you know, it was a bad call, but it was crazy fight about. We should run Allen back. I mean I don't know Ben wants to do it, but. Yeah. I, I would like to see that one run run back in Robbie. Looks like he's in really good shape to like he looked like fitter than for the normal. He looked good. So any fight great to know. Now, are we always brings eaten there and just the background? I'm Ben aspirin is this guy is an incredible collegiate wrestler, and so very decorated and went to Mizzou and. Is everybody? Everybody thinks this guy is is top his top tier. Okay. How does the top tier guy like that? Get his weight, have his weight, get somebody putting them over his head or I'm sorry. How does he let himself get lifted like that? I that, that shocks me. What was he trying to go for the crucifix position? Like he had his legs around, rob. His arm on the Robert fucking stood up. Mammy and then he didn't have much else to do. So he just don't them on his head. You know. Well, that's something to do. 'cause Robbie power bombed his face through Chris into the core of the earth. I mean the I thought that I was like, oh, Ben might be done. You know, you have the funky era is over. He resurrected ourself and available to fucking. They're both madman. I thought it was funny era opening funky are closing right there? Right. Then and there was crazy, because that that was not. That was not a nice thing the way that he went that Robbie delivered his face into the Cam, just, you know, right to the straight beeline to the floor. Forehead all upside the floor and then after that, then Robbie I think he got some kind of site control just power bond the site of his head with a hammer face, and that doesn't look nice either. No, I mean, I thought the tougher minute that been was out of there at the shirt, like this is the beginning of the end. Bins toughs on bitch show. You know. Yeah. Any wheels around and get some kind of some kind of butterfly gone. But if our Clark guard going or something like that, and then he somehow gets around the side of Robbie and gets him in that like the school yard bulldog, Joe. But the amazing the squeezes displease. Yeah. And it was interesting because he not I put him in that bulldog joke, which is United classic headlock joke. But it's like you could see him, go pro wrestling. There was a lot of pro wrestling, you know how they used to do that. And there's just like. Yeah. Yanked him up in, like in, like he he dropped his hips. A little bit in like anchor is elbow into Robbie? And so there is a there is a significant squeeze going on there in Robbie was funding like one of the videos or post fight interviews. He's like he's like I was being squeezed so hard. I couldn't hear what the ref was saying to me, you know, because basically his brain is being broken, you know, or or put under such trauma, and his ears are being popped you know, they didn't look anywhere. Close to tapping. I, he, he didn't even you know, his hand fell down, which I thought he was out. But I think he said that Ben's arms on his chin. So I mean it was just hurting his jaw. You know, it's like a man, I dunno. It's it hurts. But you can definitely receive some damage there. But you can just wait it out to which, you know, looked like he was kind of planning on, how long can someone be choked. How long can you do? A blood choke on somebody, meaning the cut off the essentially, the, the free flowing of blood to their brain before you do permanent damage. How long come you choke citizens got good choke on well before you actually do damage before you actually do harm them. Like do I think a couple of minutes. I think it's kind of kind of a long time. It's a blood flow to the brain issues. Is that what it is the you have to actually your blood? Okay. So you don't get isolated blood, your brain for so long that you say that. The cells start breaking down. Right. I think you know, that takes that takes longer than anything we have gone in the Emmett context like you know, I think it if I'm not saying it takes a couple of minutes, but, you know, but even if you just cut that in half as a super as a safety play, you say, okay. A fucking minute. Right. Right. Which, you know, nobody is going to be a choke for that, long out. You're gonna know forget it. There's no reason for in due to high pressure. Moment. But there's, there's really no reason to rush. There. You know, you could be absolutely sure that that guy's either sleeping or awake. You know, there's no reason to like rust stop it. You know. Yeah. So did even cut that down now fifteen seconds or it's like or ten seventy three times, you know, make sure because it's not gonna kill on. Right. It's gonna it's gonna look bad. He might he your poop himself a little bit. But that God has for, and that he's ready to do that. He's ready to do. Yeah. That were she is spaceship. Yeah. He can right decision because women have done that, too. Definitely one hundred percent. Yeah. I've never actually seen anybody do any excrement or p you know, not from choke out like I've seen people shit themselves, like couple times do show in think of Tim Sylvia or somebody else should themselves in the NFC in a there was a, a lady. Did it too? Yeah. So I I've never seen anybody like lose control. Their bows from being choked out, though. I guess the first time for everything, you know. Yeah. Maybe someday, you'll get that, that privilege. I don't even think of I've seen that in practice. Like I've heard stories where like people get hit in the body and then then shit themselves on my gosh. But yeah, all right. Never, I've never, I don't have any personal experience, that, unfortunately, that's a that's something that'd be good story to tell. Yeah, I mean, I don't want us to happen to me. Yeah, but, but if it does your own it in just and work with you just try to get to the bathroom. You know, dude I gotta do. Should happen. You know, sometimes you did happen this I'm guessing. Gazing hit in the body and you gotta go to the bathroom that's happened before. But I've always been able to make to the bathroom, you know, I always I you know, because I because my digestive system is is definitely suspect in the game. I don't know. I just but I, I definitely make sure my balancers evacuated as possible before it come into training. I just don't want to do that. Somebody else. You know, I gotta I gotta have couple a couple good shits for drain art. Yeah, but I it used to be our schedule was that. We'd come in here right after I had my first Americano coffee. And, you know, I could I was like the bathroom. I couldn't even walk through the door without shitting myself. I walk through the door with your toes out, Clinton era. As all talk you got. So what else has been going right to stay in here to, to verify some facts? Yeah. Some shit this kind of, you know, this, this whole vaccination piece is that it reminds me a little bit of what was going on. Maybe twenty years ago where he'd see at least in the news stories about religious sects or orders that would not allow their children to have even just medical care at Christian. Scientists as my favorite favorite one end they do this, and I'm yeah I'm sure those guys are in the lineup. And then but there's also also, you know, strains and sex, and also, you know, all sorts of other motherfuckers lining up to punch that ticket, you know that the kids couldn't even get medical attention. And the kids course, have no say in the matter, they're, you know, they're not legal entities, even though I guess they are they should be. But they, they really can't make decisions for themselves. You know. And so. So I that's let's that, so this seems like a repeat of, of, of what has happened in the past where that essentially parents are putting their kids in some spectrum of danger the in there saying, well, the spectrum of danger that the vaccination represents is greater than whatever benefit you may or may not get from the vaccination. Yeah. They're kind of exercising their, the rights to do what they want with their spaceship through the, their body, but it's not even their spaceship. Right. It's the kids spaceship that they're fucking went, right? Yeah. Yes, true. What, what this may sound like a stupid question. But what danger does an unvaccinated person posed me, who is vaccinated is it just about is just about young people who haven't like 'cause they don't vaccinate you right other womb? Right. They, they give you I mean, I think Jalen, I, I can't remember is probably like six weeks, something like that after. She was born, you know, we could go on for the first doctor's appointments, something like that. So is that the danger? I mean, like how does an unvaccinated person or a small group of unvaccinated people? How's it a danger to the public health? If everybody else is vaccinated. You know that's what I that's one thing. I don't understand. Yeah, you know, that's beyond my, my concept to. I just don't know that in how come nobody else is, is exhibiting. This fucking John Jones, pulsing effect. The Jeff Novitsky likes to talk about what the picograms. Yeah. How can we all see pizza grams anywhere else emeals failed for Toronto ball, cause that shit was that shit was being used by, like, off hands of people? I think anyway, that's all subject. But yeah, that's a science riddle for me. Maybe it's in the water. I dunno turn a PICO Bagram. There's a Pekar Graham. And every a letter, I guess there is. Yeah. People flushing opiates in shit down the toilet. Ooh. We're sounds like a waste. Yeah. We're fucking. Did you? Oh, we could talk about that we could talk about that fucking article, essentially about the flip. The see humans the fucking the whales on his asshole, these this the collective the collective. Capitalists, consumers assholes that wanna blast fucking seismic horns into the ocean. Yeah, here's the thing. One thing. Go ahead. They before there's this, like, they, they think they don't know much about Wales in, like, they're they have a, they have a larger cerebral cortex than we do have larger brains. But so the cerebral cortex is like what they what they speculate that makes humans humans. Right. High-level man was, you know, our -bility they can reason in, like make up the future and all that shit. Right. And they don't know much about the communication of Wales. But they think that before, like humans on our noise game around that Wales could communicate sonar from, like, you know, continent to continent across the ocean. No so acting like a fucking seismic a fucking seismic, blast underwater, not only it is not only that, but sound travels more efficiently underwater. So these guys can fucking here that shit, and it it's definitely, you know, they have there's like a an issue where people are trying to people are. Trying to bring more awareness to the fact that like shipping. Shipping noise is affecting Wales in their ability to communicate sonar shit. So talking about fucking blasting a seismic horn every ten minutes like that's not going to affect the fucking every ten seconds, every ten seconds in search of oil, and mineral deposits, like as essentially, just like the whatever kind of radar or sooner feedback, you get from that, that allows you to see where these deposits are in the water. But it you know, think back maybe even this was about two years ago. Remember when we accused the Cuban government of ten were, or the Chinese with, you know, capitulation or cooperation through the Cuban government, where like attacking us with, with essentially sonar device in there fucking up our equilibrium the fuck in, you know, essentially by shooting sound waves into somebody a human the. Could mess up their equilibrium the brain function, their digestive system. You know, all those things can get disrupted. And so there's a lot of these people who are walking around whether an and some people are arguing well as all psychosomatic cluster fuck in so there's nothing worry about. But then there's a lot of people are saying, yeah, that these people have permanent damage from these sooner. Thanks that happened at the in Havana. And I guess it's also happened some other capital cities. But have Anna was the one that, that they had a cluster of cases go on, and they pinned the result on these sooner attacks. So that's essentially what it is. And like you said that the water has the ability to, to carry these waves thousands of miles. Right. And so, you know, this I guess, there was a congressional hearing talking about the validity of this concept or, or the danger this posing tests to maintain sealife and some, you know, congressman pulls out an arrow horn blasts it during the thing. You know, in, I guess, you know, my, my initial reaction was, well, that's not really that's not an apples to apples thing because the sooner attack has really the equivalent example, you know, it's like let's go back to our diplomats, and in Havana, who we say now our disabled, that's I trot. One of those mother fuckers out and say, how did you do on the? The sonic attack. And, you know, of course, when you're, I guess, the big danger is that you're messing with essentially entire ecosystem? Nobody gives a fuck about that, though. Like it's hard to. It's hard to garner any kind of like fucking enthusiasm for the, you know, and dude and fifty years, fucking animals like that are probably gonna be gone at the rate, we're going right now. You know. So I mean. I don't know. It just doesn't. It's not in sun encouraging for me to, to see a guy like like the congressman ages eight he didn't give single shit about the any kind of see life in their alley cares about his this, this oil that he's finding or these prophets. I mean in a it's kinda kinda gets me thinking about like this, like in this, this is going on everywhere. But like the super single use culture that we have here, there were really like how settle in do now, you know. And now there's kind of been like a rolling back of it a little bit. But it just jumped off in like. Twenty five thirty years. I mean I remember like when I was a kid we apparently be drinking a lot of coke but we would we would take the bottles back every week. Get new fucking bottles know save those bottles of get new ones. We use paper bags like all that shit. Since then, though, like, you know you go to everything we get is almost everything would get a single use, and most of its plastic. Now, you go to the store, they put bags of plastic in plastic bags and you were saying that like. Like people that are bagging groceries are getting would get in trouble if they don't give the person enough, bags of implement meet with my fucking whatever, like so people are just like people have just so accustomed to having shit like that. And I mean trying to imagine how many plastic bags thrown away in your lifetime and just in the last twenty years, probably thousands now and where do those bags go? We seem we seem once, and we don't think about him ever again in well in this very short span of time. We've also I think we're, we're very he started see the integration of these bioplastics come in in. I think we're really close to have in that bioplastic bag being not con pretty close to commonplace, the reusable bag things happening even schlep like me has fucking reusable. Shopping bags was forget him though in. They're just in my car all at all times. But if, if a caveman like me can figure this thing out, and I think, I think we're in good shape. How would you have to have like the enthusiasm for that kind of thing? You know, I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it. I just, you know. Yeah, but they're playing more people that just don't go fuck at all. They're just taking their back home and whatever, you know, well, here's my dedication. See, I I'm no g on this in that Jake. Listen to this, a cassette, unless one eight years ago, maybe more when we were in college, we when I went to Mizzou you could take your beer bottles back and get five cents a bottle. Yeah. And five cents a can I used to be thing for sure in Columbia, Missouri. Okay. And we lived in a fraternity house. Now you weren't supposed to do this, but you could actually we would take the cans from like the big parties. It was supposed to go to the house. But we'd steal the cans from the parties in, then we go and recycle them. Get more beer money in. While not beer. My, it was so much money that we'd actually get enough money to go to e Saint Louis and go to the strip club. Okay. Yeah. And get dollar table lances dollar lap dances. They had dollar lap dances. And he seamless off those were the days. Are you? You're in a stall, you I'm just kidding. Dollar. So everyone was so enthusiastic. Everybody was winning in that thing. You know, definitely getting value for money. And, you know, they were happy to get a dollar may be too. It's not like I was being tight fisted. I was giving him everything I had I was so Lena longer. These left dances, though you can ten minutes a song. Oh, yeah. Tunes with no songs. No. Yes, it wasn't stairway to heaven. I mean it was. Fucking Latin steroid, that'd be the puck and depressing as well. I dance to fuck in bohemian rhapsody. No. That's the worst right on anything about that. What else is going on? You got anything else for us a year in the trap house variety are old vaxxers that we talked about that. Yeah, you switch the subject's pretty deftly. Are you a are you accident? Yeah. I feel pretty vaccinated. Yeah. Yeah. You're up on your shots. Yeah. I missed the HP vaccine. I think I was will ever that guys are supposed to get the kids are getting that now. Yeah. They. Yeah. What? Which is a good thing. Why are they getting it though? The government's fucking China. Now. I'm just something. Listen, man. These kids are having sex way before you know, you even have a concept of their assets, you know, they're sending nudes and shit. I it's not even they didn't even you know, think about us like it at our age. We didn't have the ability to news move, you're certainly having sex at a very young age. You know, and award, I was getting handy's at a very unacceptable young age. I mean I don't think the it's not, it's not even cool. I was out. I was getting hand jobs before I went through puberty. Yeah, that's scary. That's a scary thing. What is going on if he's going this? Somebody out this man, I don't need a time machine to go back and kill baby Hitler. I need to time machine to stop me from getting handy's before I went up. Everybody in you. You might not, you might be totally different. Hedging not received a handy, however many. Just one utility doing this, too many as they say, when as many. Well, you know, I don't even remember when I got my first hand actually, I do I that's burn in my memory. That's not going anywhere as a very significant event in my life. I think it might be because maybe skipped hand jobs. Oh, look at you Mr. advanced Mr. Bean's glass all in type I guess. Well, I didn't have anyone it takes two to Tango, so I didn't have somebody who's all in, but they're like, I'll give you a hand job, and you're like okay, and I were taking it out. Of course. Nobody ever said now that you're giving. And I'm taking the constellation Brady exactly everybody knows what to do that, did I did, I ever tell you about this, this, this and job story. I'm sure you did. But go ahead and just run run it by again. It's so great. That's a story that nobody ever says, like no. Yeah, I definitely heard about that. Don't don't tell me about wanna go fuck. We'll finish with this. Okay. Literally hand job. Chronicles. What's ironic is I didn't finish during the job. I don't even think I was. I was physically able to. Yeah. I mean I don't do the first time I had sex. I was it was pre puberty. So I wasn't able to, you know, do data dismissed that's fucking crazy to me getting a hand job before I went through puberty. That's crazy. It's six before you went there you at six before, puberty, this older this, this, this lady, this young lady, whose brother like back when I was there was like a, like a, a big time, a big wrestler, you know, so I was kind of, like, you know, actually kinda scared that you would find out like come out of me, but eat Nanya. Yeah. But dude, I had nothing to do with it. Really? She kinda like she kinda like how old were you to does like twelve. Oh, yeah. She was like fifteen. Oh, okay. Well, that's all right. Jeeze I thought she was really like twenty two. Oh, no shoes shoes. That's the craziest story I've ever heard. I thought I was crazy. Yeah. They up the in, in, in house to took advantage of me. Terrible. Terrible in, where's she today? Are you guys friends on Facebook? What do you mean? Absolutely not. I don't. I don't know where she is last Thomas, our she was last time. I saw anything, I think it was probably on Facebook or something, choose know, kind of wage wasn't really must, oh, this pointing, not your style at this point. She's not what I'm gonna do is I'm not living me away. At this point, you know, at this point, a lot of living to do but I don't ever see be going down that, that there. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah I'm done with that chapter of my life. I'm gonna bring the fuck and party down because I can't I can't I'm not going to be a top this with my hand job story. But of course, as you know, she's like reaching your hand down my pants, and I dunno if our biology, she never paid attention biology class, but the penis, isn't right under the bellybutton you gotta go little farther down. You know what I'm saying? And especially when you're not I, you know, I'm no horse. Okay. I you know, I'm, I'm dealing with very limited means down there. But as she's reaching down into my pants, she's like searching around my belly button. And she says, the, the crushing words of where is it? Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. It was like you're my at my lower stomach. You're gonna say it's time you gotta, maybe it was the first time you got to. Some slack. Now, this is it was extending where he's getting gives me a hand job at this point is not gonna it's not going to be their first time there. This is not going to be there. This is. Oh, finally, this is my shining moment to break through here. So I just I told her go a little lower, you know. But it was it was very I think furtive is the word furtive furtive. I don't know that. Yeah. That me hesitant ya. Get rushed him fluttering. Yeah. So it was just grief. It was major grief any kind of sexual experience at that age is grief Liam. Yeah, nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. Yeah. No. And, you know, so, but now you have things like YouTube and porn to. Oh, speaking of video sex, and all that God. Have you did you see our Kelly on the on the interview where he's standing up crying and shit? Yeah. And he's flexing on gale Gaels us. Or who I am not sure if it's gale, gale, sayers or something like else sayers, the football player guy Stephanie Xuemei back. Hey, I got here. What are you up from me say? I think the gale, sayers was like they call come up with a last name. All I know is Gail I think that's her name. I'm even. I have. No. You know, I kind of that could be. Celebrate. Hey, buddy? It might be black TV show hosts his Oprah's friend. Okay. Come on. I think over as friends very close. Resident someone named gale who happens to be black. Okay. Okay. I fill all also Oprah's friend that thing. Okay. Yeah. What do you think? Do you think are, are Kelly peed on that girl? Do you think he likes young, ladies man? This the, the, the stars are getting it. They, they all like these weird sexual situations. I, I heard this by guesses morning about the new Michael Jackson documentary to. Yeah. This is that's all one of the things that even you can tie the sin with the, the, the Catholic priests stories about these guys, essentially, you know, keeping. Nunn's is sex slaves, or at least in some sort of sexual domination, where they're being, you know, they're being just fucking raped torture on an annual basis is that, you know, it's, it's not just even the criminals that, that pursue these things, it's the enablers around them. You know that you need a fucking infrastructure to pull this shit off in. So it's like what's his name R Kelly camp pulled a sing off by himself, even though he's got money and he's got cloud, and all this stuff is that you need you need agents and lawyers and, and cops to look the other way and you need any news. Arco Lillo drivers and it's just a whole fucking industry, a cottage industry that, that that is built an in goes back to Michael Jackson. Like you sent me the other day video the weirdest thing I've ever done. I thought that was weird too. It was like it was like it was, it was weird that it was so normal, the ad like kinda put yourself in this guy's shoes. Like the guy is so fucking famous that he's never been to a fucking rotary store to go on a regular shopping trip because he can't. And so it's, it's the late eighties, maybe early nineties and it's, it's a home. Video of Michael Jackson shopping, and grocery store in the story line at was joining himself, though, he's having a black, it's like an amusement park for this guy. He's like, oh, fucking by the oranges. He's while now is going crazy in this is a grown way grown ass. Man. I mean he's easily thirty seven in this, this video, maybe even forty. And so this guy is so add a wack and so out of touch with any kind of reality that he had his he a friend of. Owned a grocery store. They shut the whole grocery store down for a day in they staff. The grocery store with friends and sycophants and enablers of Michael Jackson, people, he knew to fill the grocery store. Aisles just be just asshole shopping, or acting like checkers. Okay. And. Somebody took a home. Video of Michael Jackson, just having the fuck and time of his life. Going up and down the aisle. He's a cheap date. A couple of kids in a grocery store in so in that kind of spoke to me spoke to me, once again of that, that whole Kat that industry that, that springs up around these guys that just enables and facilitates all this insanity and it's not just the insanity of going and shopping, at grocery store, like get done dumb, but it's also the, the it facilitates, the, you know, the quieting and the dismissal and the threatening of, of people who get raped or discarded or or abused on the Cy. Yeah. That's kinda wear like. The public almost becomes like a part of the enabling ever Addis, you know, because if people could leave this guy loan go shopping in not fucking loser minds, every time they saw him, he could fuck and have that experience, you know, or if like you know if, if he wouldn't have had like. On what trying to stay if he if he didn't have that, that social block, where he can't go anywhere. You know, and that's kinda that's on the general public at that point where they sky like he can't have normal experience anywhere. He goes, you know, so, yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword that kind of that kind of fame and notoriety. You know, it was just no way to escape it like you can't go anywhere. It's kinda like how sometimes I think of like I do like my, my climate change worst case scenario L, Mike, where we go in the first thing I think, is I wanna get away from the disastrous, but the disasters on earth. So, with I go, you can't go anywhere, Denver or Duggan, Colorado somewhere with the mountains. I don't know. But that's my best guess, but good luck getting down. I seventy near part that done like within three days like you sent me that article last. Or two. What are the same in three days? Like fifty percent of the population would be dead. Now, it said within thirty days or still a very short window, so that the zero hedge is a is a newsletter that's been around for a long time before, you know, before the internet became a popular thing, but they've managed to transition into the internet pretty well, and it's largely sort of everything from an investing perspective. But, you know, they're also very night Listrik, and they're also very bearish on a lot of things in one of and so they always liked to talk about the black swan events or and tile blacks one yeah. Nncholas no seemed to let the guy I was telling you. Yeah. Yeah, you know about him. Well, I, I, I know about the, the I know the baseline idea of the black swans I read his books he would like him. He's got anti-fraud that book that I was talking about a while ago. And then this is book come right now is called black swan. He's got. Fooled by randomness, which I read us that audible credit wants to go. He's good. You like him. You check him out. Sure. And he's the guy was telling you that worked at the Chicago exchange that. Yeah. Well, they're one of the, and so they share a lot of articles, one of the things they were sharing his concept of if the power goes out, which, essentially, if the power goes out for an extended period of time, then as the waters out to does it. Yes. Because the because the, the power pushes the water pump at like, like Mark power goes out of the house, the you're talking about like for a week or so I was out for a week or so if the power is not just for your house, but for the fucking water company of okay, then it's done ski. Okay. Nobody knows what fucking give freshwater and believe me, that's the only time I really feel the heat if like when the fucking waters out like when they're doing work on the fucking. Oh a total. That's like fucking your world is upside down. And it's, it's like also everything's on fire the waters out. We had our kitchen just redone and a couple of days. Scott shut in the water off. And I was like, I was, you know, I told you this kitchen remodel had been kind of, on edge place, because I was like I like fucking thing as part of my routine. Go to make breakfast coffee all shit in one space in to head that space interrupted for me. I was kinda like kinda threw me off, fragile yet, almost like it. Fucking going back the other way to, you know when you finally got your, your privileges by right. So like we've been making everything in the basement, you know, like a good on the basement. We had a little Griddle down there and shit. So the first few days after we after the kitchen was done. I'm like walking by the kitchen going out of the basement to fucking make my shit. And I'm like, wait a minute. Everything's fucking upstate on upstairs. And I'm like, oh, I was just I was I had my mind set on using the basement anyway, the water was out for a couple of days and like the first. The first time I've found out, I've like fucking going to take a shower after I worked out or something like. I'm turning the water. I'm like looking at it like a turn it off in iron back with a fuck is going on. And I go like Hillary. Did you know the waters out and the guy that's doing the kitchen? He'd probably deal with the shit all the time. He's in people's personal space. You know, he's gotta be super sauce spoke. And he's like, oh, yeah. Jason turned off a little bit. 'cause I'm cooking up some stuff, okay? He let me know when it gets back on. I'm like, I'm like in like a outfit that I just threw onto come out of my bedroom. Now obviously flustered. You know I go to fucking. I'm like, oh powers out. I got I'm gonna make some coffee are not power. The water offering to make some coffee really go to the fucking make some coffee. Can't do that without fucking water. Yeah. And I'm just like totally fucked. I'm sitting on the couch like waiting for the water to get tired. You were fucked in, in, like thirty seven seconds. Shower and done the concept of this article is that they, they did, the, the Monte Carlo, simulation on the thing where they, they computed it out. And they, they said that, if the power goes out permanently in thirty days, half the US population is dead DA, de- debt gone. Okay. And so in, but and then it kept it kept computing from there. But it's like that is a legitimate thing because it's like you can see modern Greek day. Alex, I down you word thirty thirty seconds. This goes back to trap house, resolution that we had because I have made progress on you have, but we're gonna do bug out bag for fucking like two thousand seventeen bro. My bug out bag is all cash, and porn Amax. That's it. No water. Just you can't drink any of that shit. What are you talking about cash? Can throw cash people I go? Yeah, but the grid goes, south your caches useless, right? I mean, there's gotta be some cloudy means exchange, monetize. I think tobacco alcohol, where Amax Porgy, nice eight ornamental. Yes that worked for a little bit, no internet, people are going to be, like one or what the fuck the deal. But they here I am stack fresh deck. They said, you gotta have a gallon per person per day. That's for all your all your function. So I told that to my special furniture goes well, I have some water down the basement can case water like okay? You know, like, like we're both fucking up. But, you know, don't don't claim that you some water in the base, like we're gonna live for fucking Bray when you're eighteen pack right? Right. Thirty six little bottles. We can rash you so, well, it's been fun. That's it think it how could we do any more than we've already done thinking? I think we've overachieved that's an amazing walk always over to Ewing. This is been wrecks in Ramon. We're signing off by by.

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Episode 470: The Magic Garden of Stanley Sweetheart (1970)

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Episode 470: The Magic Garden of Stanley Sweetheart (1970)

"Christopher media. Let's make some noise. Stanley sweetheart is a typical college student. Wants wants to be a typical underground filming. Going to? Stanley makes films and loves it. Stanley makes love. And films, it. You and how come you never knocked me up baby? Make lovers created surprising. What people do to get into the movies? Coasting. Nah Nah many actually. Thirty seven. And Wildlife I think. Become afraid of people. Or maybe if what they might think. I guess maybe I just WanNa. Be Like you know. here. Then, you're go. All I. Soon. Share. If you live in the city, long skin turns career. Stanley. Sweetheart needs a new head. He's growing one. In his magic garden. The magic garden we Stanley Sweetheart. Film. Welcome to the projection booth I'm your host Mike, White joining me once again is Mr Daniel Kramer. I think we're going to enjoy. This is interesting character study of life, also joining us Mr Jared, Levine? Thanks for letting me be on. The podcast isn't the first time on here, so thank you this week. We are looking at the magic garden of Stanley Sweetheart. It's based loosely on Robert T westbrook's novel of the same name, and follows the exploits of the unlikely named protagonist who's not very likable. Stanley Sweetheart who's played by Don Johnson. He fancies himself an underground filmmaker and. And Lothar area, the film follows him on his exploits as he navigates life women and the scene in early Seventies. New York City. This is a little bit of a film Modise. It's a little tough to spoil since it's difficult to find, but we're going to talk about why that is, and maybe we can get a copy as we go along. We'll figure it out, but regardless just know that there are spoilers ahead on this episode. You have been warned, so jared I have to ask. What is your history with the magic garden of Stanley Sweetheart I started off. Was One of those kids in the eighties. Who really like Miami Vice and from the first season I started recording. All of the episodes of the series this was during the first season. I think about the middle of the season, and then when they started to rerun them, you know in in the middle of the summer. I caught up on. That said that this, but I was like pretty helping on collecting all this series. But I also had a lot of books, and they would go into about different cast members in the movies or on and both Don Johnson for what Michael Thomas had some pre teen, seventy films very different from the kind of. Personality that I think people recognize them as their movies tend to be sort of on the seventies, film friends and my first one because I saw his dog and really obsessed over that film and it'd be. Kinda fascinated by gone John comes seventy drums. And, that's what initially heard of the title. The magic understand. But then I kind of forgot about film and then in the nineties. San Francisco and I went into an antique store. This was just this interesting antique store they had a bunch of. Stuff there and feel posters all over the wall and they had the poster for the magic understand sweetheart on this one door. When I saw it I was like. Wow, there's posters just really cool, it's. Super Pop art. It's like some kind of like Andy. Warhol movie poster and I kept looking at going. Why do I knew his title? And who's that on the poster and they didn't list any at that. The CAST members on the film poster. I don't know if you've seen. POSTER, but they pretty much. Just who wrote it and Directed it and I think maybe a Martin Cole film that they need the cast members and so i. i Remember Thinking what is this? How do I notice title and I? It up and then I think that's what sort of started the search. And I bought the poster and I think I found the book I. I read the Book I really loved the book, I really connected with character I thought he sucked a lot of the boxes on some kind of relate ability and just maybe wanna find the film more. In late nineties I did manage to find a VHS tape back when Ebay were actually sell like bootleg VHS tapes and I paid about I. Think Three hundred and fifty dollars court. And at that time there was a lot of money for a bootleg, VHS jared. It's still a lot of money and I never go website at the time that really Kinda. Even mentioned the film was. by Tom Fitzgerald Cadel Wonderland and he had a whole slew of list of like lost fills in the seventies, and that was on the list, and so I ended up contacting him and We did some trading. Convey many people that related remember film heard of it. You know when that's been searching for US I gone to. Conventions. They had tables of ood late. Cell is and I. would ask all of these guys. You know the skin, not a single one ever heard of it, and when you think about this is an MGM film. This film that you know had gone in Johnson. It it a the double feature with so many big seventies cult films. That the moon would have somehow resonated with Santa files and yet it was pretty much. No, I mean not many people really ever heard of the song so I got this the tape and that was the only way to really see it. It was like a t and t broadcast. It was untitled rated version that got released, but you know it wasn't the best quality in, and that was basically the only way you could see it for for many many many years south four to two thousand eleven or two thousand and ten, I found the thirty five eight. Trailer on Ebay and then I bought that. That was my first purchase concerning steinle sweetheart at the time I was interning with MOE Moma. and. It was working in the film Archives Department and Person I worked under at Kinda helps direct Ning on transferring the trailers so I managed to. Translate it thirty five millimeter trailer. Putting that on Youtube, because nobody really see. You know an actual piece of like the print of the film I mean. It was mostly just TNT muddy broadcast version on VHF. Part but This was the first time I think people were able to Kinda see I feel quality of it Nice trains for A. Trailer so that was I sort of beginning and I became kind of obsessed with more after that. Back in around two thousand and sixteen I had an old roommate contact me that he had found indeed a thirty five point of the Stanley's. Film this was part of a la. Assumes, told me, but yes a friend of mine you know Nava who's in a van called progress steel. City of women, he found the punt and. That was a big deal, so we pretty have you to thank for just about everything. Stanley sweetheart set. That's out there, yeah? I'm a one that is I guess. No. Indiana where do you come into the picture? What's your relationship with the film? I think this might have been the first bootleg I ever bought like a grey market bootleg of a film that I ever bought and I wound up buying a lot over the years. I began my my collection of market bootlegs I. WanNa say around like two thousand S. I think this movie and Ska do where the first two that I got were the enough another kind culture oddity. You want to call it that I recall seeing the title of this also on the. Wonderland seeing images lobby cards that you posted on that site. And like of course like being drawn to that I was like wow, it looks like a really amazing comical item with all these great crazy colors and kind of neons and. A lot of party scenes and Don Johnson and they're like. Wow, I really want to see that movie. And it was like on his must find the list and I was like God. It'd be really cool to see because like. either. You know as you know by now again for for those you know those type of movies. Just like as a studio item like and GM has put. Out that was kind of extra fascination, because that was like the era when. I already seen a super ski point at that time and I'd seen like. There was like a new era at MGM. Like the one year of nineteen seventy, th they had released all kinds of more counterculture oriented films like that the Strawberry Statement and Bruce McLeod, and you can kind kinda count in that in that lot and a couple others as well as the Jim Aubrey era them them so moving forward once the guy at the temple. had secured his copy on learning now that was from jared. I know idea that he got it from. So. I put an order in for the and and you know I don't know if he's out there still he was a little flaky I think I I tried to five orders with him. I only got one and I didn't have that film. NFL had had like a Christian liquorice of store was in that order I think D- Berkeley to Boston forty brick, loss bag, blues, and one other I. Wait and wait and wait, but I mean I like he didn't abscond with any money of mine it just like he was only ready to take one order. I think I put in education, but it didn't come. Like years later, finally appears on the Don Alex's subterranean cinema side, which is where I finally got my copy visit VHS Dub and it had like the TNT watermark at the bottom right hand corner several generations down the line maybe like. Seventh or eight generation copy to me sounds like okay well. Here's a start it's it's not the greatest quality, but Yeah. I mean it had all those like you know counterculture kind of earmarks Cirque counterculture touchstones that I really tuned in with. Any film that few people have heard of gives me A. Fill in the blank, really proud of my ownership of title for many years. When I saw I was I was already living out here in. San Francisco I moved out of New York I saw the Alamo Draft House in New York was showing a prince of a Stanley sweeter than I. I. A gasket pretty much. I. Move Away and this. What happens then like I I I think you might have contacted major because I might have written on some once like Linda Gillan. Maybe. That I saw something that you posted. A collection of like villages of your house. Proud, this is. It. I think contel. That's right. It was my it was. So edited short film. which was a compilation of New York films shot and the Mayor Lindsay. Era the John Mayor John Lindsay which is like the Grimy Est New York, and the most like grittiest. New York. Each some clips from magic garden in there that that clip show or short is available online. Still send you a reggae song called happy survival, so yeah, I think that you would, you would watch that, and then I think we talked about also the Assad ongoing of the pigeon kicker at that point. You were became aware of the fact. I was kind of in the loop on all the things that you also enjoy like you're like. Hey, man, next time you're in, New, York let me know and and we'll well. Ranjha a showing for you as a great so I I came to new. York. We actually made arrangements. I went all the way out to to Long Island where you A. Utility until recently we show I met your friend Sean and And then we watched your transfer of the film as well as I think that night we also watched the grasshopper by with Jackie. We just had like this running counterculture. Film Club meeting which I've I kind of personally affectionately called the divine brotherhood of Stanley Sweetheart, though yeah, we meet every now and then are try to, and then we just kind of watch any series of the counterculture based films or films that are made an era that maybe echoes. Your copy of Christian liquor store probably came from me because I had a friend that worked in the Turner Library, and he said what can I get for you and I sent him a whole long list, and he'd manage transfer that, and at least one other title to Vhs for me and then eventually put it on dvd are and then confessions. Early two thousands bootlegger in the DVR trade moved out of VHS looking for and really what spurred me bringing this whole conversation back to pimple Delic Wonderland I was obsessed with pedophilic wonderland, and that list of lost films and I just whatever reason I made it my job to try to track down as many of those as I possibly could, and then just. Just send him over to Tom and say like perio. You're looking for this film. Here's this film. And of course there is still a lot that you know. The sites long gone now, but there was still a lot on that list that we were never able to find things that I'm still looking for including another Linda title, which is called Y and Still looking for all this stuff, but yeah. I still have my want list out there every once in awhile. I'm able to kind of check off title. We won't talk about bill. Guns stop because I think there's another connection going on out there between you and me. About that yeah! That was. Like them so I was I loved it at. Night when speak with same language on counterculture. We can literally sit around and watch like six or seven. Those films in a row out a problem. Like a major joint have marathons. The Blue! Light just really in the cinema that it's I think often forgotten about just sort of. Set of people. Kinda see aided cinema I guess on some level. Does early days of the of the gray market. bootlegging was really incestuous inner circle in the. Everyone acted. Everyone likes you know. I got from so and so I gave him that that's kind of kind of I'm I remember when I used to standards? With cockatiel. Often like four five. And if I recall. I traded for Stanley. He gave me a copy of deadlock. You know movie with the Canon soundtracks. And then. The documentary I think. He also gave me in a long seven heads. Clearly. We'll be talking about. The line has seven heads in July. When we do a whole month of cinema, Novo titles counterculture cinema. It's a weird thing. Because some of it is one hundred percent, sincere thinking of things like you know captain milkshake, and then you've got things that are just cash grabs like the powers that be not knowing what the kids are looking for, so they make something like do, and it's like here. You go kids. You're gonNA like this right. Yeah, of course I've always wanted. WHATEVER THE HELL! That movie is that weird combination of? Of like Nielsen and Jackie, gleason, what is this thing? I've always wanted Jackie. gleason and Peter Lawford and Burgess Meredith tripping on acid. That's exactly what I. Don't know what you want to get it and you get those weird titles like can Harada. Mus Merck ever forget about Mercy Humpty and find true happiness, or who is Harry Kellerman in Wisey saying these terrible things about me. The magic garden of Stanley Sweetheart is not as outrageous, but it's getting up there the name alone stanley sweetheart. Name of to company. So makes me wonder like what was the with that name? And, nobody ever questioned him about it. When he introduces himself as Stanley Sweetheart nobody bats an eye. I keep hearing different interpretations before like the Magic Garden represents. And then you know I was reading one article where they explained that that was like code for like the your sexual region like the grind. Yeah when you see the title, Stanley's The new head and his magic garden that you know obviously has like sexual connotation to it, but then other people are like the magic on. You know his mind his daydreaming, so it's almost like it can be applied in either one. Than, sexual orientation or these fantasy, one or the psychedelic eloquent, and of course like that whole thing I guess released to the fact that that. I guess Americans. Kind of calm. As a fan of Paul's drag race, I hear a lot about mertens. He really was something way ahead of his time I would never dare show it to anyone and tried to be like Oh. Yeah, you have to see Colorado this murky. Never Forget mercy home, but like in private like a at every now and then I I do really enjoy that film. I kind of have a ineffective for Anthony, Newley, but hey, who doesn't have an affection for Anthony Newley. Come on, there's kind of a connection there, too with the candy man, and then this weird fucking song in this movie this sweet gingerbread Song. I mean when that song starts up the first of two times, I'm just like what am I watching. This is not right. Whatever is going on here? It's like a moment shot. Early like in a more kind of Vanilla whitebread era, perhaps, but like I was a little initially perplexed by its its inclusion, and it's you know the way that it's used multiple times in the film because it seems to be contra puzzle away. I guess years later a deal onto youtube. They're like high school bands, one of which actually almost like brought me. Let's head sears I'm not ashamed to say. It was weird as it was like you know like. Yeah, I've had a weird. You know relationship with the Song in the movie I've been rather been interns kind of ambivalent about it and. Just kind of generally perplexed and like you know that this version with this jazz been this like only God like why am I touched by this a because I've I've watched the film over the years to a degree when I guess that song is baked into me like kind of Osmo status so like hearing it in this other context, and like the it's also the harmonies that the this high school band. They were hitting. I got. In the sideline I guess is what is this salty discharge? It adds. To the surreal nature to the film light, you have this therapy. Bubblegum songs kind of comes in the middle of nowhere, but also it's like lyrics. Kinda hit upon these kind of homoerotic. Levels at the film Tana tries to touch upon, but never fully latches onto or at least in the in the version that we receive currently, but you know all tasty and sweet gingerbread man. I mean it's like. It goes along with this sort of idea like even with the poster art like its initial host. The art went out with it I. Mean You have this image at one moment like pop art and another? It's got this like pink Naked Gone Jonathan on the poster which? You know obviously a striking imaging itself the way that they're sort of selling this film in this package has levels of. homoerotic interest you know even from the casting the film of Don Johnson and Michael Career. You know they had just readings were literally. No from fortunate news is where the gate achievers Mike agrees that film that he did before it. So. You kind of have this all as part of the sort of selling package it Stanley. which just sort of closing? Different kinds of loop into the counterculture Knicks I think I think. Does that counterculture film to make the cut upon it. But this, still in general, seem to be very concerned with with sexual identity and the idea of trying to be an honest. Interpretation of the Youth of day in their search for sexual identity now whether they succeeded in that attempt, I probably have the audience member for me. I find it. That's what's kind of one of the more interesting aspects. Of the film is that you know? Sort of like Kinda mass that these characters sort of wear in these. Guys and like for example you have link Linda Gillan who plays boat, Barbara and Shane and that'll is Barbara. She somebody who stated this killer in, and she's stone out of her mind, but there's also decided was like you know Stanley doesn't. Recognize. Her doesn't recognize him because she's stoned out of her mind, and so she says but. She. Basically tells them you know she wants to be called. Shane now she wants to be called this. This asexual name that kind of liberates and allows her to express herself and search your identity would some sense of freedom and I? I kind of role, his eyes this, but at the picture of moves on. C. That that that Don Johnson is in need of doing this as well and that's what kind of jumps to his brand, new impersonation, and then when we finally get to Diane, whole. Character Kathy seen them at the club kind of remarks at the same thing that they said at the beginning. I hardly recognize you, so it's kind of interesting. This sort of. These kind of character stake in the search for sexual identity through drugs and. Rock and roll the Linda, Gillan, character, there are several times where I don't even recognize her when she comes in, and she's doing an Australian accent and she has a blonde wig on I'm just like who is this character and it takes me a while before I even realize. Oh, this! Is Shane again? Slash Barbara because she is constantly changing her look. It's when the accent slips that finally like Oh. Okay now I. Know who this character is, but each time we see her. She's got a very different look for a lot of the film. The the film that. Gets kind of touched upon is that our society wavings today with kids in the sort of search through sexual identity names of calling new forms of sexual identity. This film sees very like forward thinking on some level creative like and I'm maybe accidental on. Maybe it's the fact that it was written by. You know a guy that was like nineteen or twenty years old. Who was going through? Through his own stuff at the time, but there's something about rings the even though it's the one thing that seems to be the criticism towards the film that that it is a Hollywood cash grab of counterculture domes. It's the one aspect of some that really rings true to me and it any different from the rest to go back to Phil does feel like it's a hot pie. More popular more famous counterculture films like there's a little bit of blow up in there. There's a link. Called your seat. Actually I'm almost say it's almost like a Hollywood losing that because Leonard Horns seems to have the same kind of feeling towards these people as probably poor. Paul more she did when he made his films in some ways, I think maybe similar outlooks about that generation though I think you know Leonard Horn maybe constricted more with like a Hollywood system. With this film, but it is to be a lot of. Things and even has a little bit of Brian. DEPALMA's greetings in high mom in it and and other counterculture films especially in that cowboy. Cowboy also. Was One defends that people saw that making sixty nine. It was rated excellent wins an academy award for best picture and gems like see the doors are open. We can make any film we want can put in drugs. You can put in male prostitution. We can put anything we wanted to. If it's real, and it tries to be real people looking to recognize that a award that and Stanley sweetheart chronic on out with this idea that it was going to kind of capitalize on the freedoms that midnight cowboy kind of opened the door for, and then they didn't it. They just sort of fell interface with it at least with the name public. That's of the way. The MGM kind of took the project on a little bit. Of a Hollywood of counterculture film to me is Stanley Kramer's? which which came out that same year that to me is a very hand portrait of rebellion and and the broader counterculture. Like the Margaret character who you know is kind of a nominal. figure or use kind of archetype who's like you know kind of wrestling with the older generation who like might try to be with it, but they just don't get it, but it's really at a fuddy-duddy kind of purview of of of where it was at I guess as a way to put that. RPM is like the the one end of the spectrum, whereas like maybe the other end would be like a more flush type of things so I think to me. Magic feels a lot more like a like a flesh than in RPM. which which I think is to its benefit, is like a real item of the era that i. think had aspirations towards wanting to be real wanting to be authentic and true to the style I got. Some ways a member I assume I felt a little bit critical about the film. To in sort of. A political voice like it didn't really seem to take on kind of a political perspective, which at the time seemed like that would have been the case for a college film. But in some ways, it feels also maybe more sincere that it didn't sort of go that route and maybe overdo it. It would definitely felt like okay. This is trying to check off all the boxes to be. Hollywood student film, but you I think just. Sort of for sexual identity is sort of an interesting thing. And I. Don't think even be cluttered with no giving him an overly political perspectives. I'm not sure what did fill many favor now. Stanley sweetheart is not interested in anything political as only interested in himself well. And in the book, it was a moment where he has the. Of anger right is angry. Letter to his draft. What does he gets his draft card and delivers in the mail, and it's just this kind of like fucking to know the world kind of letter in the movie I found still. Don and a car. Going to basically is draft for so they did shoot a scene that was on some level, political, or just sort of rejecting the Vietnam War now. How far are what edit? This appeared I don't know, but I've seen pictures that they actually shot, and it must be a fantasy sequence inviting a car and he doesn't have a car in the whole film. I guess it must be like fantasy. Yet. There's a lot of fantasy sequences and we start off the movie. I mean after those opening credits which are very sad and low, and we don't necessarily know how long these credits are taking because Stanley's switching outfits throughout the entire credits, or at least you know, he's got a shirt and he's got a jacket on. He doesn't have a shirt on these kind of things. This may sound naive, but as soon as the movie starts, I'm already confused and even confused on re watches because I keep. Thinking Stanley has to be living right across the street from the World Trade Center because that's what is being built in the film so when they're talking about going uptown to Columbia I'm just like my God. He is so far away from Columbia. This doesn't make any sense. And what is this whole thing? Thing to an also thrown off the first time I see it by him getting into a cab and the guy's yelling at them that it's downtown Cav versus uptown cab, and Stanley basically has his little moment, and then he yells at the guy, and then puts his feet up onto the back of the seats in front of them, and the guy takes uptown I guess, but what is this whole thing and I'm sorry guys I'M Not, just being glib. What's this whole thing with uptown cabs in downtown, cats? I don't understand that as not being a New Yorker. I never take. Is Not out of near. Seventy singers. I, don't know. Broadway Columbia University. Wouldn't you know you're going to Dante? Cab and you want to go up? Your Time College. What do they take you that I'll be stupid or something? I'm sorry. Wouldn't you know to get into downtown campaign, Nicholson? You've got Herman Steiner what they shut up. Now, when you see the World Trade Center movies, you pause a little bit, but it is interesting that we now are watching this movie and we're actually seeing built, which is nice. I actually recall that on The the old subterranean cinema site run by Don Alex He had like a whole section of this page devoted it was like right after nine eleven and he he had actually devoted a whole. Whole area of page two films that featured the world. Trade Center early, and it's either either building, or when it had just been built I know that he was very interested in the urban kirschner film, loving and as well as God skull, which has a number on top of the World Trade Center so A and this was also part of his his little a study. One thing that really hits me also have about this movie, and and a lot of the movies of the general is that it's occasionally technical level. Maybe a little ragged. A couple of those edits are are kind of rough, and then like you can. Catch the know the cameraman and an either a windows, or like this one gaping shot. Where like it's, it's like the the fish islands where they're kind of running after Stanley and the two women, and like the entertainment catches himself in the mirror, and like it's a full body you see him. He's like it's so. Like there was more of a freeing sense back then where that's okay, it's it's almost like a you know It's like Oh, yeah, the they won't really notice and but it's almost on a whole other level like over kind of making an underground film ourselves except we have mgm money behind us or Mardi. Pull money behind us so that part of it also I mean like the early scene with cabdriver, and like the out of the. The transition. If you WANNA, call debt from the reality into his fantasy rebuke of the driver There's like a fast motion from the sidewalk of the cab kind of peeling off around the corner. It's not the best commotion by by any means you can kind of see like their people about to walk past. They're walking past maybe a little too fast, so there's like a technical ragging. This that that I tend to find comforting personally. To present to varying degrees in many films of the time, where were there was kind of throw professional concern to the wins because we're doing something, already are underground or whatever I mean. This film feels like it was edited with a very blunt butter knife to me. There are so many times where it's just like what the fuck man get my notes I just keep saying abrupt cut too abrupt. Cut To, and that's what it feels like do is literally I think three editors involved in film, and maybe about three different cuts of film. Version of the we see a very new version. I mean I think it's cut by at least. Six to seven minutes and we've got possibly the draft board scenes deleted. They shot three different endings. There was numerous scenes in the film that had to be reshot. Because of either labs problems technical issues for example, the Brandon magazine had to be reshot. The bathtub scene with hauling year had to be reshot and also the body pink seen. Problem, after problem different editors. When he finally had come with their their one cut of the film that was rated, X.. They had a special screening for it in Orange County. And was. was at the screen along with I believe girl scouts, and this was a a screening for Bob Carol Ted and Alice. You should allow girl scouts that. Book it's about open marriage. Movie and as a sneak preview unannounced, they shows the magic garden of Stanley. Sweetheart, the x rated version now this is a rated R. Film, and so you know, I think a third of the audience come out. I'm planning about emotional distress and the deputy sheriff. They filed a two million dollar LAWSUIT TOWARDS THEM GM and After and Jim with that lawsuit they quickly re edited the film. They cut out I different reports. I've heard I've seen some clippings to say. It was grossly censored and other say there was just cut from Tom. Whatever the case. It's about six to seven minutes, and I've seen numerous scenes that I believe are could be deleted scenes from the film. one in particular is a big fantasy sequence, which seems to be a pretty interesting sequence in really unfortunate that we can't. Can't see it currently, but after the lawsuit I think engineer I mean from what I've read. They shot the film in eight weeks and Martin poll only went to MGM for one million dollars to make the film. That's what I've read, so if MGM paid one million dollars for this film and make this film in, and now they're paying million dollars in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety two. They lost the case, so they have to pay the two million dollars plus lawyer fees. So. This is why this has probably been buried. Anybody that could advocate for won't directors dead Leonard Horn? The actors most distance themselves from the film. The producer Martin polls passed away and the person who has music rights involved Mike Curb. I'm sure it wants to wash hands from the film. When he was running to a political position in the seventies, I'm reading newspaper article where? Where the person interviewing him was literally attacking him. Who you know, he's a right wing conservative, but they were attacking them with the film magic. Aren't Stanley Sweetheart and telling him? How can you run for? Office would be make music for pornographic films. People have this kind of I. Think level that down a little bit, which only made them want to distance themselves more from it. And I think that's one of the big problems of this film is that there's nobody to advocate for it but us. You know. There's each union people. For the army of sweethearts. It is sort of the case. It seems I. Mean You know Even the people the we'll talk about it. I don't know if with the film it's. It's a weird film It's not a film that a lot of people like I kind of know. WHO's GonNa sort of like it I guess because I shown certain friends of mine, and it's always my friends that are like musician, sorta like into the counterculture or live on the artistic fringe of life a little bit. Those are the people that tend to really like this film, but yeah, it's it's, but there's not a lot. Seem. Hall liked it then. Yes, anywhere whole liked it and really big. Like supposed to be in the film Andy Warhol was initially supposed to be in the film. There's many reports that he was supposed to play the character of Dr Osgood. which was the freaked out psychiatrist? The Linda Jilin character references earlier in the film. Down in Brooklyn. You know you to think about that. It's really good my head out. My shouldn't tap to good. He's Reichen derivative. It's really wild. He tries to break down your defenses. You can really be free I, to take off all your clothes, and then swings around the room things. You know I was very confused about when this sort of fantasy party sequences post to take place, but when I was doing research on the film this afternoon I came across a an article, which was talking about the making of the scene, and apparently that scene was gonna come during I think the electric had seen after the song water when Don Johnson sort of falls the mattress, I think that's where the fantasy sequence speaking. Speaking because he's just done all these drugs, and then this anti world, and that's why they cut it. So that's I think where the fantasy sequence lies. Don't have the screenplay. It's just my estimation, but in this fantasy sequence, which is in the book Don. Johnson or sweetheart is walking around on the ground on his hands and knees totally naked, but just wearing a shirt, and he's kind of walking around this sophisticated party and this. Woman, who was basically played by holly near she's dressed up in leather in high heels, and she likes stomps, and impales Stanley's hand into the ground, and like kicks him, and then he just kinda wanders around this party and crawls under a table and Beats Kathy, but in the dream she goes by the name Mary Jane and she starts to suck his blood I. Guess but I don't know in the in the book Dr. Osgood isn't in the fantasy sequence, so they must have played with this fantasy sequence and wrote this part in for Andy Warhol. Originally Andy Warhol was going to be in the scene and ultra violet was going to play one of his nurses, and then Andy Warhol, didn't show up or ultraviolet Linda. Gillan addressed her up as a nurse put her in the scene, and then they got Brandon Maggert to come back after playing the man in the cafe, and then he played Dr Osgood. Like I said that scene was cut out, but it's the one thing that I would. I would love to see in the film. I mean it also kind of adds into further into ideas of sexual identity as well and I think it would be. It would have been also a needed dose, a fantasy that Kinda needed for the film a little bit at that point 'cause day tubes kind of just sort of drift away about replace coin. Really basing the film on his fantasies any mocks. I think would have been a nice scene. Have still in the film, even Niagara and the the scene in there still maggard is a propositioning happened to a a homosexual encounter, so having him as the kind of Osgood, surrogate or proxy, or whatever would have made sense, because Osgood I guess grabbed that one, the according to Shane or grab. The one guy's nuts tried to grab the grapple. Which which is! One to do in that in that scene so it would have been an interesting kind of melding or amalgam of of figures and characters, and wow, they kind of record what they represent and Stanley psyche riot to. Some fortunate. The best scenes not available, and it's funny that we're talking about it because I don't think anybody knows about it like even people have seen the film and I don't think they really know that. There's sort of like the scene from the film or you know various missing scenes. You know there was also another thing that you know. One of my discussions, because I Linda Gillan for awhile, and she's been absolutely fabulous and fantastic with answering all my questions through the years 'cause I. Mean you're the needle in her with Stanley, Scott questions and she's always wonderful, and just like answering my emails or You know remember. She told me that the I cut that. She ever saw the film. There was sort of other fantasy sequence. Don Johnson before he goes over to Andrea and Shane's house. was He puts on these aviators. And then he has a span of fear of driving this motorcycle while this doors or Jim Morrison Song is playing in the background, and then he arrives over to Shane. Andrews of these the Blando of course, the nation Stanley. What are you up to? Channel. No she sat someone. A lot was. Awesome Shit. You got any. Money. But it's almost like this kind of like riles. Element of Motorcycle Brando, but that was another fantasy sequence. They cut out and Linda go Gillen told me, is that they? He didn't like that the Jim Morrison. Had the words fuck at the end of it was. The scene was punctuated with that word and Mike Curve at being very conservative, he didn't want it, so he stripped the song off the soundtrack, and then they cut the scene out, and so what when Louisville and told me this like motorcycle I've never heard of such a thing and then I was reading an article in show Magazi- and they talk about how Don Johnson that had a stunt guy who's supposed to ride a motorcycle but Don Johnson showing off sometimes motorcycle drove it into a poll and then ended up in the hospital, and then they had like start shooting again like. Like a couple of days later, they did shoot a scene, but again we don't. We don't see that footage and there's also three different endings that were shot in the book, the ending ends with them at JFK airport and when I was at the moment film archives, and I was going to film stills for Stanley Sweetheart I came across a steel of both Kathy and Stanley sitting at the airport, so they did shoot this ending, but again we don't see it, but I would I would love to see all this footage that they shot the film I. Don't know if it's someone somewhere anybody. Has it anymore, but looking at spill. Yeah so next project. Our next project. I mean what's what's Hilarious is in the film as it as it now exists. Is that you know he shows up to Tony Larussa place and he's doing Brando. Just watching like okay. Why is he doing brandon disturbed. thinking. So yeah, that would explain a great deal, my biggest problem with the movies just how much I hate stainless sweetheart as a character, he's just such a piece of shit. Every time he meets a girl and she talks about a roommate. It's like Ooh tell me about your roommate, and he immediately wants to bone them and when he fucks over Kathy who's. Who's like this really nice sweet girl that he seduces takes her V card all this stuff and it's just like Oh. Fuck yet. Let Me Fuck Fran and now have this long-term affair behind your back with Fran and France seems like the most interesting care to me. And then she disappears from the film halfway through, and it's just like I wanted to. Like Hashtag. Where's Fran like? Bring Back Fran I. Want a movie about her and not Stanley Sweetheart, who just time and time again disappoints me in pisses me off and I just I. Hate this guy. In the book. He is telling Kathy about the relationship with France. That's a whole thing kind of just like explodes in his face why they did that from the script. I don't know I mean they just Kinda make him get mad at her. They kind of put it all on her like she's the one that ran off with Danny and we're supposed to forget that. Stanley's just screwed a roommate. I don't know, but in any case she's sheriff. Character is meant to be something he can control because there's nobody else in the film that he can can really control and everybody's kind of out of his element, a little and She's sort of virginal type that the press. You that he can kind of come in and sort of dominate, and then when he doesn't sort of lashes out like a psycho or in sort of use of way. To go back about Stanley likability. You know I personally like his character I. think he's kind of really interesting a lot of ways, but also kind of see him as kind of like your precursor. Travis bickel types I mean he's character is also not so far off. Salvino character is schuykill teddy bear. These are all like he's twisted. Films Guys in New York and maybe like New York does to these kinds of characters, but Stanley Cedar things like he's Kinda like in the line of holy new. York types that are one step away of being a complete site their. Level and Also more more more apropos to that high mom at John Rubin, the Robert Deniro. Who is filmmaker and does kind of take good? Jennifer salt character and tries to like A. Secretly filmed her and all her other apartment building mates. You know all all her neighbors Then of course he winds up blowing up that building that building or adult, and he actually winds up indulging in an actual act of terrorism, and that's played for cheeky humour at the end when he happens onto the news, crew and he's he's. He's being interviewed on camera after the after the bill he's gone up in. Flames yeah, he's. He's also killed. the Ruben catchers killed his his pregnant wife again. I think that's also. Jennifer salt didn't they bring her back. I guess more of A. It's kind of a cousin to a Stanley I guess you might say another filmmaker who has maybe some I? Don't know depending on how you read that either slider major sociopathic tendencies. masturbating to his mother's letter when he's reading the letter and she's talking about how she hopes that the plane that she's on is going to crash, so he can have insurance money to continue to live as wasteful life. An Article Mike said that Westbound told him that talk by facile. Don't know. Fan for Sheila. Graham I guess them. That's INTR-. Coaching the ending to with Michael Greer like twenty gun at his mom like. Was Robert Westbrook saint something, That's host. About that but. Yeah that scene comes out of nowhere because I was the only character I talked about how I liked. Fran I kind of like Danny the Michael greer character to especially because he's just so like, fuck it. Just be like his whole thing of just be in that. He shows up different places, and he's almost like this ultra ego for Stanley at times because he ends up getting the girl that he wants it gets Kathy. He super cool. He's doing music at this club and kind of do a good Jim Morrison impersonation. I'm just A. Michael! Queer agree with two chicks just like Messiah. The always got the two chicks in that as well but. Then out of nowhere week at the scene of him, hunting rabbits, and then hunting his mom and blowing his head off. It's just like what the fuck. Where did this come from I've read that as a kind of interpretation because people have written about how when he goes to the Stanley apartment towards the end and Kathy's there, and that's where I guess. He first meets Kathy. He's Leering a bit at Don's chest, a little bit and you know. Know kind of harketting his roles and the engaged see watching men's. Is it then the that last sequence where he's hunting, and he lets the rabbit kind of get away like you know. He I think he says like run little bastard or you know run home to Mama or something like that and I've read I've read an interpretation of that that that someone wrote that that's that's his concealed or repressed homosexual side which we're talking. We're talking. About the realization of Sexual Identity in the film vibrates characters. There's a person who thinks that that's kind of a kind of almost a dream like manifestation of Danny's sensitivity, and not wanting to kill the rabbit at an not being able to accept what he would see the darker side of himself that that kind of repression of. Sexuality of like who sexuality perhaps. I pretty much the same way I mean you'd think you know. Michael Rear getting in the interview that when he got brought westbrook about the character Danny that you did tell them that you know. He saw his carrot being. And, I do think it was some choices in the casting of Michael Greer. He does play the part extremely butch. That was one of the sort of underlying this character. Yeah, I mean. I'm leering at Donny's chest to aside I can definitely empathize. Yeah I, mean I. It's. It's in the book, too, isn't it? in the last hunting sequences also in the novel Mrs Yeah. We're at that last party You know there's music. There's drugs being passed around. Stanley is on various like like everything in the room he's he's taken essentially. And then all of a sudden it turned into a blood that and it it last cut is actually to Stanley before we catch Danny kind of a on the hunt it's. It flashes to a close up of of Stanley space, and then I think cuts ended the hunting sequence of the first time and I think it cuts back to Stanley. I think maybe one last time, and then it cuts into into the last ended the and the Danny going off, and letting the rapid go giving the rabbit amnesty, and then the whole Curtailing of his death. I mean I guess. That interacting that way, you could also interpreted as Stanley fantasy of Danny, as it's a very heavily ambiguous, nearly vague type of a sequence which I'm which you can unpack any any variety of ways that I. I still don't really have the answer code for that, but there's some interesting. You know writings about that. I've read I'm in agreement with you. I seen income. Yeah, there's a lot of sex in that end in, but I think also one of the problems valleys that some of the ideas and standards. We remain not fully. Realise are fleshed out in a way part of my interest in this film that also like not just the film. It is that we were meant to be in the film that it could have been. Kind of scenario. With Robert Westbrook, he'd think he'd written less than one hundred pages, and so on Pole, and because he was working on a Martin pulp production at the time called the i. think it was called Louis. Oh. You're the arrangement I think. I'm sorry, guess giving check. Yeah working on that Phil, and if he wrote less than a hundred pages on call and learn poll you know was like this is great doesn't flashes. Perspective is perfect kind of film and he. Basically I think signed him up for the film with without him finishing the book, and then he got him to Brookdale, so I think the whole book was very rushed I mean. Got The the contracts so quickly that. Everything into motion and so i. don't think he really had the time a pulling develop. really were like Danny. Just yet, ideas and the kind of. Them and they were just quickly bankrolled into now, and then in the middle of the production. Now this actually she is backed up a little black Catherine. That rubber Westbrook actually issue the role of stance heart, one cold one can, but he wanted I think the play the part, and then they just they went through motions, but then you have to bring the ended up searching out. I think that one hundred people before they Before Modern Paul saw the play. Fortunate is is. Sons on. But before that. About. Besides Robert Westbrook heavy memorial selling Anthony. loader was one screen. Richard Thomas, who's in last summer? He screen tested Don. Siegel son Christopher Tim Berry? He was in consideration. so we had some people in mind for the part I think they wanted to know they wanted to go with with the nobody. So that went with Don Johnson, but initially the the girl that was going to play Cathy was a girl lady by the name of Keady Heflin whose van Heflin daughter, and when they started to shoot some scenes with Don Johnson, they realized that it was like no chemistry, so they ended up firing Katie Heflin and replacing her with Diana whole, but in the process Robert Westbrook had fallen in love with your Heflin, and so he ended up running off getting married to Katie happen. They ran off around in the middle of the production so. But kind of skipped out in the middle of being the executive producer on this film He says they didn't like what they were going. Direction. They were going, but I think when you look at the film it. It really isn't that far off from. Your. Life was exactly, but yeah, so they ended up replacing Chehab. With Down Hole, and if you watch the film very closely during the language lab scene, you'll see one shot where you have don Johnson and then you'll see heflin where no exact since sweater that that Kathy wears in the scene that Canary Yellow sweater. And she's wearing into and there's only one shot, so they did shoot footage, Katie Heflin and then another actress that was originally is supposed to be in the film was join Jones, who was Quincy Jones's daughter and she was only fifteen years old at the time and when the mom had read the book. Immediately Yang daughter from the production, so they had to fill that position really quickly and Victoria received at the time at play. It was playing a nurse in Stanley short gum headless, and they were impressed Thursday said you know. What will we shoot that scene and we're? GonNa take her and she's GonNa play Andrea now. So Victoria seem like a quick replacement for Jerry Jones and like I said it was only fifteen came to believe they would have hired a fifteen year old for that. kind of criticism themselves. Some of those articles are just so proud of how much nudity there's going to be in this movie and you're talking about Michael Greer, and that you know he's asking westbrook about his character, and there's those stories where he's asking horned about his character and horn. Just it felt like from the stories I'm reading felt like nobody really liked him very much. That'd be what I think will were connected with Harris who. Director and you can actually see Bert Harris. Alexa catch the guy was like. Candy Canes Strikes Type Colored No kicking colored shirt I think he's laying down a mattress and one. The Guy I think everybody turns, but that's kind of what makes it interesting to me is that it was a slight Improv week because he's GonNa has Robert Westbrook kind of laughing production. I mean that must have seen the mood with pushups, and on some level you know, and then the director amphibious read it was literally making you know seems up on the spot like they were like. You know they're shooting schedules chaotic like the they weren't. They organize in allowed the cast of kind of Improv a little bit in the film kind of took. took a life of its own to the actors. In some way one be a good sign interesting. Was that used? There's little that Leonard Horn is even set about them. I've literally found one sentence that he says about this film he said be my first film I did not want my direction. Showing as simplicity is the key note I presented the story that viewers can feel that they are sitting in the living room, looking at Stanley and his friends, the window and I think it's interesting about that is that he's kind of taking a. Perspective which is very similar to diploma. And you have that scene where you know. When the sweet gingerbread man song comes on ways, you should outside the window and similar way that maybe to palm with a shot, which sort of voyeuristic shot Stanley Kissing and making love with Kathy through the window. I think Leonard had this sort of we used to kind of perspective and just kind of allowed. The actors to maybe kind kinda take over a little bit, but from what? I've gathered. overlaid ability in that Leonard Horn really couldn't relate to people and didn't really wasn't very specific about what he wanted really. But. Often leaving it to I guess Bernard. Harris who has who is the AG to kind of come up with occasionally with more of the specificities that that either the actors. Or the camera crew. which I think in that one interview an after dark that Johnson and Michael. Gear kind of intimate, a little better. They insinuate that that's the case with the with Bert Harris and with the with horn. But I mean he only went on to do one more of. The future it's a quirky with Robert, blake which she can kind of like, even though I haven't seen that, I can kind of imagine what it's like in my head, just based on the title on the active, but Here. Yeah all right. Okay, it's not super memorable. It's okay. That was another one I might want list for longtime, so it took me a bit to finally track that one down. On a Warner Archive which shad. This one isn't I just want to be very clear with both of you guys, and especially with the audience. There are a lot of things that I dislike about this movie, but I don't want this to be sitting in a vault someplace. I totally agree with you. Guys at this needs to be out there. Why isn't this out here? You know MGM has its own Archive Label. There you go. There's a great spot forward or you. All of these scenes that you're talking about that should have been in there. At least have them as deleted scenes available someplace I mean this movie is getting no love other than from a handful of people and I'm. I'm talking to two of them and I want this movie to be available for other people to see into experience because I think that every film needs to be preserved out there in available whether you like it or not, at least be able to have that option of seeing this and to your point, this is this counterculture film. This is a very tumultuous time in us. History and I really think that more people need to look at this, and put it into context of what was going on with counterculture films. Be It from MGM from an Independent Studio B from Paul Morrissey. You're from Leonard Horn. Why are we not able to see this movie? I want this available for folks. It's been my mission. I mean I even got screened Alamo. Draft House in Brooklyn because I. Want nothing more than to celebrate this film and discuss it, and even people don't like it. That's okay too. I. Mean it's just there to kind of you know. Dissect it and looked at. A I've been very fortunate. Beating a handful of people like you know like I was saying I've shown two years, certain friends that line this film, and it's been this amazing group effort to help Kinda bring some notice to distill I've a friend named? Daniel Colin. In Vancouver phenomenal hand clap then, and he was very instrumental, went to zoo brick, screaming at Alamo, Draft House, and afterwards that hey, listen to you. You want to host the magic on Stanley's. We are. My friend has a thirty five millimeter prints of it. So it's. It's been this just this great. Project like brought a lot of people together and and people that have an interest to see this film, even just on like a on a cultural level or of a New York in nineteen, nine, hundred, sixty nine at the end of the sixties, and this still has also has not only you know the Andy Warhol? Was a no show in the film. You have minor little appearances. A people like Candy Darling Jodel Sandra Jerry Miller like Andy Warhol factory types. That were you know would pop up. I think they were supposed to be part of a bigger scene, the fantasy sequence, but if you look carefully, you can fees. These actors just make these little appearances, and I think just between you know the World Trade Center the war, all the velvet underground cover as a rolling paper tray I mean. This world of of New York of the late sixties it's it's really captured in this film. You know even if the stillness flawed, it's still hold something of that culture that. Q films do. The Job Briggs at that at that Alamo showing he kind of was maybe a little cheeky at first about the film when he was in trolling. I don't. Yeah I think he. He felt a little bit differently about it after the screening because. At, the Able I, think it was just different, also issued to experience the film on a big screen with thirty five millimeter prints. I mean I think that alone could went over few members of the audience. Just experience obscene it not on the cruddy t boot life you know like this is a nice prints of it and so I. Think you know he was wanted over a little bit about it, but yeah. I mean everybody I think kind of approaches this film with this this bad illness, still nobody lights or the bomb. I don't know I. Guess I'm trying to change the course of opinion about this film a little bit, and for people to maybe see it a little bit differently, you know. I also WANNA PIMP You know I know. A lot of people have felt like the Don. Johnson was sort of this cast I know Robert Westbrook wasn't a fan of the casting. Don Johnson, but part of his legacy is. Also a little bit of his title alive in into public conscience level, and I WANNA point out that I am performances. And I think he had a very distinct position in film at the time of kind of the. Matinee idol of the counterculture world, immediately Zachariah Herod Experiment, and even is science fiction movie. A boy and his dog has got to be one of the reasons science fiction films, so he was kind of like the poster boy of kind of period, and so I also kind of a style like time and I know a lot of people procreate that to a more in Miami vice, or when I see as early career. I kind of see this hipster actor who's got this sort of fashion sense. That these kind of carry with them his whole career. 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After listening to some serious film discussion and over in our show WHM CAST DOT com every Tuesday a new episode drops US ragging bad movies, whereas the concerts here at the protection, but if they're talking about good hardy cinema related stuff, go here for the cinema. Come to us for the last afterwards. We hate movies every Tuesday. You have the most fascinating origin story to to use a a superhero term, can you? Elucidate a little bit for my listeners as far as you growing up and kind of how you faded to be a writer. I grew up in Los. Angeles in Hollywood and the in a show business family My mother was a writer, but not you know she was a Hollywood, gossip columnist, Sheila Graham and today. She's mostly remembered as being the last girlfriend, a Scott Fitzgerald and they live together for three and a half years in the late nineteen thirties, and fitzgerald died in my mother's Hollywood apartment on the winter solstice of nineteen forty, so I up. Really you know. I was born five years later and in nineteen forty? Forty five and my mother was just determined that I'd be you know that's I somehow follow in the footsteps of Fitzgerald. You know her her fallen hero, and actually you know that's just sort of thing that can turn out badly I. think when you're either. One of your parents wanted you to do something. In my case, it really kind of seated my personality. Every build against it from time to time, but I I have my first book actually published when I was seventeen I wrote, the went on a student trip to the Soviet. Union back in the early nineteen sixties when it was still you know the Soviet Union Union was. The, you know under Communist. Countries it was the enemy, and and this is a trip arranged by the it's nothing called experiment of international living, and we worked on a collective farm, and it was kind of fascinating six week trip there I went home and Sold idea to KP PUTNAM and sons and Got An advance, and wrote a book that was eventually called journey behind the Iron Curtain. which my mother actually helped me with a lot, because the at that age I probably wouldn't have even had the patience or the skill to get this book together, but anyway then I read again until I was twenty three, and a as she stranded in Rome a John Rome to work as a production assistant, basically a third assistant director on a movie that was made of those directed by Sidney Lumet. It was called the appointment and it starred Sharieff an a new K. me, and actually it was A. It should have been a great movie. It had a wonderful script by by the author. James Salter that somehow the producer Marty whole kind of screwed it up I'm not sure what he did to it, but it never really had a wide theatrical release Even though you know lots of really talented people were connected with this project. The produce coal actually became a friend of mine and throughout the filming would talk about various projects and things and I told him B- I was thinking of writing a book about my college experiences at Columbia and he said yes, this is nineteen sixty eight and write that book and I'll make it all turned into a movie. We'll make a movie of it, and so that's the origin of the magic garden of Stanley Sweetheart. You know talking with a Mardi poll with the. Producer Then when the movie was over, he went back to the states stayed in. Rome and I wrote the book, and I was kind of you. Know I didn't. Totally impoverished until money started coming in when I actually got him got an advance from crown, actually and Bantam books both wanted I wanted to buy the you know wanted to publish the book and You know I. I was I was able to sell the whole thing on one hundred pages I mean I thought being right writer was gonNA, be easy. You know had a hundred pages of this book and I had a movie deal. Hard cover soft cover A. Kind of you know being well-supported Rome, which is actually in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight was a very nice place to to live and write a book. Oh Yeah I, bet. Yeah. Yeah, so you writing this? Always under the assumption that this is going to be a movie? Did that change the way that you wrote it? Yes, and no I. Mean I just you know I wrote that whole book basically in three or four months just came pouring out of you. Know semi-autobiographical, changed! Kind of put things together and in different. Ways and change a lot of names, but my last year at Columbia, was nineteen sixty seven, and it was just. You know a very chaotic year. That was the year when all the protests were starting and You know it was just really wild and it wasn't. It wasn't a great year to actually get a real education. I have to say we. It was everything was. Was Sex drugs and rock and roll in resolution and but was a fascinating time, and I was just trying to absorb it all you know I I left New York and never I never finished at Columbia after my third year is just so exhausted everything that was going on and got involved in working in the movies in in Rome and and really just you know. Originally I thought. I was going to go back and finish my degree, but it was so much more fun. You know being in Rome and met Fellini. met the media. All kinds of fascinating people and I thought Oh. This is what why go back to the two that crazy situation in the in in college. I wrote the book for quickly and As a novel and then Marty brought me back to Los Angeles, and put the in an apartment on sunset boulevard, and and a place called the sunset towers where a lot of writers and actors lived, and that's when when the problems began I mean. I found it really hard to. Write the screenplay. It was much easier for me to write. The novel and the screenplay was a first of all. My first shock was that that was really a group of group project that. To change like you know like like water like the surface of water kind of try, it was nothing was solid. I'd write a scene Chilton. Marty and he was say fabulous. I really love this and then a day later. He said well just showed it to someone. MGM, MGM was Was was going to produce this. And you know they're all all the kind of big shots up there and I I'm not even sure exactly who saw but say no, they don't. They don't like this after all. You have to change US and he'd give me some ideas and and so I'd be off the next day rewriting the scene, and this is go on and on where he'd say Oh fabulous, I love this, then then no, no someone up there and said they can't do this and you know it really was hard for me to work that way, and I'm sure I'm not the only writer that's found this. By the way, of course, this is this is kind of a classic situation. trying to deal with the ever changing face of of insecure Hollywood. People who don't really know what they want, but no that they WANNA make a lot of money, and they want to want something that everyone's GonNa. Like, but you know, but no one specifically knows what that is so. You know it went all the way through that, too. Until the movie was actually you know shot and made. And then they had opened screenings on on. Sunset Boulevard Boulevard maybe Hollywood boulevard, but some some theater, where they would give the the audience questionnaire to fill out, and you know, and according to who liked what and who didn't like you know this and you know who didn't like that. They'd actually cut it. According to those returned questionnaires. So anyway I had a very hard time and I really basically left the movie industry at that point I kind of. Married the actress who was originally going to play. The role of Kathy. In in the film. Katie Heflin whose? Father was a van Heflin. Katie actually got fired during the making of the film because she i. Don Johnson really didn't Gel. she for one. She was a little bit. Older than Don Johnson and in the film I in story it was. A point was made that she was supposed to be a young innocent girl who is now and Stanley. Sweetheart. Played by Don Johnson was supposed to be the you know the older man so so it didn't look right. It wasn't right and. Katie was was was actually fired and an actress name. Diane Hall was brought in to play that part of the stead, and so anyway both Katie and now were pretty disgusted. At this point we're. We're idealistic. We thought you know. I realize we're both twenty three years old and a bit privileged thought. Oh, you know. Why are people giving us a hard time? Now I, realize that we actually probably had it pretty easy for for what goes on in Hollywood but We just took off. We moved up into the Redwood said the Santa Cruz Mountains and and you know just. Kinda dropped out. which was fun, so really I did not end up having got much to do with with the actual production of Stanley sweetheart I mean I wrote the screenplay finally Leonard. Horn was hired to do the directing. He was did has summited had done a lot of television. He had done a lot of mission, impossible's and original TV series, and and and things like that it was a successful television director, but this was his first film, and he just improvised a lot. You know I mean a lot of things ended up in in that movie that I. That didn't come for me anyway, you know. I just watched the movie yesterday. Did they ever say what the Magic Garden is well? It was kind of a a psychic, the psychological. The you know the drugs, the music, the the the the. Possibilities that that that existed at that time. In the late sixties. I mean everything is really just exploding with possibilities, and it wasn't a very interesting time to be a young person and You know you know everything seem possible. You know you could have sex as he wanted, he kept music. You could, which for my hero? Stanley was a little bit more than he could cope with. But, So said the magic garden really was. Meant. It meant it in a summit psychedelic way. But I it, but in a way, it was kind of larger than that as I say it was. Just the the Cornucopia of of of everything going on right then. Stanley's filmmaker and underground filmmaker and you were working in films I'm curious. Did you have ambition to become a filmmaker yourself? Yes, I did yes at that time when I was in Colombia I had a sixteen millimeter. Camera and I was going around everywhere, trying to make films and splice them together, and you know I. I, I really really loved movies. And of course you know it was, the sixties were great time for movies, especially in in New York and we'll in other places, too, but in New York there are lots of movie theaters that showed ourselves. You know I just went almost every night. to the New Yorker, and the Salia, and there's a few other theaters like that. We're showing all the truffaut films so beanie and you know go Dr, and has just you know so I thought. This is the most exciting. Art Forum going, and that's why I went to Europe and I got a job as a you know, got several jobs as. Assistant. You know thirty systems directors. Basically you know you kind kinda. Carry coffee around and knock on people's doors on a number of films I worked on a Western in that was shot in Spain. That's supposed to be about punch via. Yul Brenner playing via and Robert Mitchum and we shot. This is in Spain actually, though especially, Mexico, and as as one of the you know the Westerns. That were being shot in American westerns that were being shot either in Italy or Spain at that time. And it was, it was fun. It's really interesting and love to see Robert Mitchum fascinating man to see a close, and I liked him a lot actually and then I ended up as I say going to Rome and working already poll, and that's when when my life changed. and. You know all said and I went from thirty assistant director to writing the screenplay, and it was really like I. I don't think it's really quite prepared for it. For how difficult it is to actually survive in in this in this atmosphere, you know I had an idealistic I. You know picture of it is actually quite difficult. It wasn't really quite meet. Someone went, said that the succeed in the movie industry. You have to be a ship with a very strong Dow actually Iris Murdoch, the novelist. He wrote that and you know I didn't have that kind of about. A really is a bit more dreamy kind of poetic person who who's actually is much better for me to be to to live off in the woods and the office. which is you know how how I've continued with my life? I I quite a few books after after Stanley Sweetheart. He must have been so disillusioned afterwards. I was. I was kind of fed up that just It just seemed You know I tell the truth. I I, really did not like the movie I. Mean I And I'M A. Sure about the book. The book was very honest. I wrote the book. it really came from my heart. and I look at it now, and I it embarrasses me. Re Read No. Fifty years ago I'm sure a lot of. The same thing but I'll. Stand by the book is being. You know really you know a very honest attempt to put down like experience whereas the movie. I don't know. It got really kind of silly. I thought and I never. I mean it's funny. Andy were Hoy has been quoted as saying that it was the best movie about the counterculture of the of the late nineteen sixties. and you know I really you know loves it. I'm still you know I love. Some of the people involved I'm still in touch with Linda Gillum, who has? Played One of the one of the one of the girls, but the picture And and I remained friends Marty poll actually until he died I know I. It wasn't a very good movie by my standards, you know. I think it's interesting that people are kind of. Rediscovering it and I I guess it had something you know. I I'm not sure I. Mean You saw it yesterday? So, what did you think I mean? How does it measure up well? It feels like it's exterior, aval really closely during the first part of it, and then it starts to stray and what's to stray. That's where I feel. It starts to fall down a little, but well lenny. Horn director I mean I I know at least several scenes he just told. The actors that Don Johnson and and Linda. Go smoke a joint somewhere and just kind of improvise that can work that kind of approach. You know especially if the actors are have some degree of self discipline, but I don't think quite worked in in that in that situation well. Yes, so many of them are so young at that point. I don't think that they had the the seasoning to possibly be able to get away with that. Right right right. No, we were all very young, and I was certainly very young, too, I mean. You know it twenty three years old and You know I didn't quite know it. Hit Me. You know I'll send you know writing this mgm movie and seeing it You know it was it was it was Kinda? It was a big life changing event for me up. Until that point I really thought that that filmmaking is what I wanted to do and. And and and that really I realized you know when it gets right down to the really nitty gritty of of of showing up every day, and really doing this and working with a bunch of people that is just not quite my personality. The I really th that being being a novelist really was what suited me and and so I really did you know? Decide on a really different course, and even now I mean a number you know. Mostly in my life I've written several several mystery series. and I've had movie options on them Ted. Danson the actor a option for my books at one point. And so I'd go to Hollywood and how these meetings and even those you know just didn't really quite suit me. So you know I. I live in New Mexico far away from all of that. And I and there's a reason for that When did you start writing again? After that and and looking at the list on your your site, it looks like there's this huge gap between seventy and eighty six must have still been writing at that point. No there there is a huge gap, and that's after Stanley sweetheart I wrote a novel. That was turned down by every publishing house in new. York I. Mean it was just a crazy hodgepodge, a a novel that deserve to be turned down I. Mean I my head was just spinning out all the stuff, and and and you know back then I was. That was my psychedelic time. I is living in London for a while with my first wife and we were just taking a lot of LLC and it was just you know it was very crazy. This book kind of reflected. You know just you know how crazy it was and. I just thought now. I mean I'm really. I stop so actually. I stopped START I started studying piano jazz piano I return living outside of San. Francisco then and in Marin County and driving to San Francisco and I had I had a piano teacher and I studied really very seriously for for quite a number of years and and finally you decided that I was gonNA. Go My wife and I decided we'd take our family and go live in Hawaii. I was going to join the band their lumber. Possibilities to actually. Get into band, perform and make money in Waikiki than you know. In Marin County Russ. I was living actually in point Reyes which is on the coast at the there. Just weren't you know very many kind of paying possibilities for music? you know where I was so I went I got into a top forty band is the keyboard player and you know one night in Waikiki as playing and in some club, so called the Jolly Roger. Roger and they're about five people in joint is like two o'clock in the morning and I realize well. This really isn't for me. either. You know that again. There are some people who do very well in these kind of top forty bands, and and and and it really suits them, but it actually wasn't really the kind of music I wanted to play and the whole reality of being in a bar late at night. Just a few people in. This doesn't really Kinda worked for me either so so the next day I actually sat down and started. My first mystery is called I call it the left-handed policeman at again. It just came ripping out. It's like you know after not writing for. Fifteen years I wrote this book in three months and again. I sold it. hardcover soft cover. Just you know it it just for some reason writing. Opened up for me and and music really different. You know I again I didn't really have the kind of public personality to thrive You know as a performer. You kind of learn basically, who am I well, I remember. You know and that's where it Kinda works. You know much better. That only was it. One left hand place Ben, but then you create a two more like the two subsequent years I must have been quite a ride for you know I I kept going with this one series, and then I stopped. I did my mother. She Graham died in nineteen, eighty eight, and I are inherited all her papers and I realized that she had quite a fascinating story I mean her. Actually she'd written her own autobiography in Nineteen Fifty Eight. That was called beloved infidel, and and it was about her a fair Scott Fitzgerald, which was very stormy romance, and it was that was made into movie with Gregory, Peck, playing Scott Fitzgerald and Deborah Kerr playing my mother, but it really was not the real story I mean it was a totally sentimentalize, and there are a lot of huge inaccuracies and a lot of things. Mother wasn't quite willing to talk about In nineteen, fifty eight be a lot of what really happened between my mother and Fitzgerald was set against the background that was very kind of sexually charged and also a lot of leftist politics I mean they met their first date was out a union meeting to help form the screen. Writers Guild I mean there was a lot in. In the thirties, Hollywood there was a huge surge of of leftist politics, and and neither of these things could really be talked about in the late nineteen fifties so I looked at all. This and I put together a new biography, really kind of almost an anatomy of a love affair between my mother and Scott Fitzgerald and a called this intimate lies in that harpercollins published that. Nineteen Ninety five and and I really enjoyed writing got it was kind of a way for me to kind of absorb you know the in my mother and really kind of you thinking about her. A little bit part of the reason I was a bit obsessed with trying to figure her out was that after she died? My sister and I discovered that we were only half siblings that actually. Wendy. My older sister's biological father came forward will known philosopher and British philosopher AJ air use a SIR AJ era. We do as a Freddie uncle Freddie, but he turned out that he he was my sister's real father that my mother had kept this a secret You know until it came out after her death and. According to Freddie's wife, and some other people I spoke with that. My Real father was not actually this. This English businessman Trevor Westbrook who she married when she was. Pregnant basically was my sister Wendy, but actually the after Taylor. My mother had a caller for life and. and I tried to capture this in an intimate lies. The book I wrote it down her and I still. Continue to think that has really my best book because it's the best story I mean. Scott Fitzgerald was very interesting man. So anyway I enjoyed that, and then when I was done, I started writing mystery series set in New Mexico. It's a bit as a quirky series, but I wrote four books foot. Penguin you know is a big company They hardly knew US alive and they didn't. They didn't do very well that people a few people have found them seem to like them, so that series Kinda died for a while and then contacted by by Small Publishing House from Florida. Coming out speaking volumes. And is a guy who loved these books and said I WANNA. I WanNa republish all your old books and he did. He put all my old. Except Stanley Sweetheart, that is not online, but all my old books are now online. They be you know and the New Mexico series is doing so well. That I'm actually I've written two more new books. To add to the series. And Right now I'm working on a third. I didn't realize until I was doing research. I knew that I had read another book. Viewers unknowingly years ago, when I was stuck on a camping trip and ran out of things to read my ran. My wife ran up to a Walmart came back, and she gave me the novelization of insomnia. Those were arena I'm not I. Don't really consider those my ducks. Because I was given, this was Y- you know I mean as amid list author. Every is struggling to actually make a living. And, a my editor at CIGNA HAPPENED TO. Have this gig where movie studios would send him a script in a huge? Deterrent the script into a novel or novelization as they call it. you know I did that? you know. I generally had about three weeks to write these books so I, I I'd have to take the dialogue I mean I couldn't change. Anything I couldn't change the story. I had to use the dialogue, but they took a movie script and turn them into chapters, and did the visualizations describing you know the scene. What things looked like what and Give, the character subserve inner life was thinking when they said certain things, and I had actually seen these movies because they were, they had not yet released. If I was lucky I've got some photographs and still have some idea what things are supposed to look like this was just. A GIG kind kinda fascinating. It was I learned a lot from doing this. I learned a lot about dialogue. Actually I think I became much better dialogue writer. by doing this, but as one of the things I did just simply kinda pay my bills because I mean I was making you know I, mean I could have made more money a dishwasher that does making an office at this point. The other thing I did is I. Did some ghost writing? I actually wrote eight mystery novels for the. TV Entertainers Steve Allen. These were Stephen Jane novels as Steve Allen and his wife. Jayne Meadows are real characters, and these thoughts and I was told these are these published GonNa. Of. Kensington Books. Publisher called me into their office in New York, and they said for the first one you know. I I want you to Stephen Jane in a mystery the they're giving their hosting a game show and one of the contestants. Down Dead And the publisher, this Big New York office has said I wanted to be killed by poison. Cajun Vodka. Okay I suspect. And they said and take it from there. Just finish it, nope. I was given this assignment and Again I had like six weeks to do this book I thought well okay. You know it paid will and again. I thought that this is GonNa be incredible learning experience, and it really actually was nf ended up writing of these things actually seven, because at the very end was working on my book about Scott Fitzgerald about intimate lies, and I didn't really have time to eight, so so my wife, actually wife Gail wrote the last runners called murder in Hawaii and I oversaw a little bit, but you know she was like a ghost to ghost. On cheerfully put his name on on these books, and even dedicated the to his grandchildren things and he changed a few things. There's actually a little bit frustrating because. He had a way of Kinda, putting what he called many essays right in the Middle Register for murder, the committed he would stop and say the this reminds me of something that happened to be in Hollywood and bit above. Applaud and go off completely. Forget the you know. The story line and I tried to kind of. you know, say you know he's you know we should just keep going with the murder mysteries. You know, but I. It was a little bit challenging To do these books, but it was kind of fun, and can I feel you know I've spent a long lifetime learning how to how to write books and and it's all it's all being very. I'm grateful for at all. That's fantastic. Yeah, I've always been fascinated by the whole novelization process because some people will stick very close to the text, others can go so far afield that it is almost a completely different work altogether, or some people go on these strange tangents where it's just like what is happening was in the script, or where is this coming from? And it's just A. A wonderful mishmash of so many different styles, and all being sold under the posters of these films I mean I'm not sure you know. I think it's great that you found insomnia. I've never really known know who? Ended up reading these these books these. Are Think going to the movie with you know much more. Satisfying that are funny. I finally saw insomnia and it was interesting moving out Pacino and Robin Williams. Bad. You. Know I still haven't seen the movie. I've only do novelization. Okay. Have you ever catch? And actually this was originally believe it or not Swedish movie, and then it was the Robin Williams Alpa. Chino version was taken from that that particularly story went through a lot of changes you said. What you working on now and I'm curious when the next one is out, I had a new mystery. Come Out three weeks ago. It's called Blue Moon and You will find it online. actually I didn't realize there's actually elite child's book called Blue Moon which I didn't realize I. Thought my title and These stories take place in New Mexico. I've a native American hero named Howard Moon deer, and he works with a blind detective ex COP, and. They're a little bit quirky and they then they solved these these weird cases. Blue Moon takes on the kind of the UFO. Heart of new. Mexico you know we have you know Roswell and and an Aztec I mean supposedly flying saucers visit New Mexico trying to time. This is kind of part of the land of enchantment, a little bit, a little bit too enchanted, and so I. I set this this whole story about a kind of a fake ufo sightings that. That's really kind of A. It's a scam with with some money at stake and and there's there's a murder and you know I. I really have fun with these books, and they they. They seem to do well. Mr Westbrook, thank you so much for your time. This was such a pleasure talking with you. Well I'm glad I. It's fun to read this the old days, but I'm glad that he living in the present to accept you know I I wouldn't mind. A little bit safer right now, but. and. It's. Just when least expected when you? It's so bad the. Expected you to reject. But in really doesn't mad. If, that's how it is. That's how. For long time, and still I think Stanley sweetheart is really tough to see which is kind of unfortunate. I always knew that someday people will say I. Don't know if it's a good. Objective at all about that sells. You know who jumps tells the. Story lines in my life, but I always said. He will back in that film. You did a good job. I originally was up to the heart of cafe well I. Put myself up the cafe. I have no idea scripted. The was about all I knew. IS THAT AT MGM? They were looking for young actresses and actors for this film. That's all I know. I knew that was part of a girl. She went to college and she looked good riding horses. That was Bob's description, and she was very straight shy. And what have you did knowing sex drugs? Robin Wall never and I feel she goes to the things. I've usually have played before I could do this. And I s rage into submit for. She didn't skirt either and she said No. You're not right for it. I happened to be at. MGM Had J. on. For something else so I already had permission to be a lot at the time, I was living in Laurel Canyon whose house is down the street? They all like singers musicians, whenever, but we will pay the bills painting houses. Job Rice job. Rice was in hair and some Enjo- bryce singer, but the rest of us were scrambling I. Look Down The road from Danny Jill Bryson everybody and they said what are you doing? have got this edition moral. One is for a TV show and can't counselor. Series Ben Take Brunson Mica Parts. But the other things of movie and it's straight girl. Who Comes to New York and she doesn't know about drugs or anything like that. And he said well where you GonNa wear and I showed me out at. Mesa don't do that and they gave me this crate. Danny gave me some be different style and Mesa where that. You Walk in the thing I said I'm going for late. Real conservative trippy and don't dress like that. Just go like that. You know I was already sneaking into the audition. If your interview enough as you realize, most actors have to sneak into or additions to get jobs, because no one ever thinks rights, the par- sorting by our then came Bronson thing read the script. Thank you very much. We'll be in touch and I walked over to the other building to audition for that, and your name is on the list here and I smell it must be guarded the gate. Let me in. Okay? Sat Down Wrestler. All these crappy looking girls sitting around me. She'll do job rice. Go Back! This is really. Yeah and Go was Leonard Horn. The director was no casting purse which just let her. Walked in. I said I have already blown this addition. Beer might agents right on not right. Fred scientists went in and lean. It was great energy between us, and then he disappeared. I didn't hear from had a place I was staying at Laurel, Canyon. The people was subletting from moving away i. mean it became a life changing things? It was a guy who was a casting. Person will never hired me for anything got a call. He high place, and he said I got this coal Misdirection York, and they should. They're trying to find an actress named Guillen and I can't find because my agent didn't want me anymore you can find. It wasn't faced or anything, and he says no, I love with. We didn't live together. We lived in the same compound. Try Out the part. I'll inner western for Kathy. It was the other part and I was the first one cast in. Leonard said. This is who Who is this other character and so I eventually got a copy of the book and read it also. Interesting, but had no idea and Katie have. Flynn was the original Kathy so. Kadian, I, and dawn and Michael hasn't been cast or holly they quit I mean I did screen has in California with a bunch of actors. And then he flew to New York and I did screen has a bunch of other actors, and they still couldn't find anyone Mardi. Poll producer. went to La and he's so fortunate is and that's how John and Michael and then Michael. Holly. So, how do you prepare for a role like Barbara Slash Shane? Had No idea I was terrified because I had just turned. Twenty and I grew up in New York in a very working class family. My father worked in sweatshops and. Housewife until things got really. She puts his a sales. Department Store, so I, had no. I did a lot of commercials. Chris I. Note a manager and she said You die your hair, red and before. It was unfortunate. Any money I did great shapes commercial. She know that one. It became very famous commercial late sixties because everybody did the soundtrack dusty Springfield and dude. I can't who it was, but everybody had done, so I had done that where I played this. Girl who? Shot US three days in eastern bay. Who was at a party in the life of the party I was like a geek in highschool. I never went to a promise. Dance had a boyfriend and Mariam in commercials, so he was like living a fantasy life. You know what I mean. It's fabulous because. Your hair your makeup in giving you Elvis, you could never afford to buy. That can hide for the producers that noble seem. To play the saxophone, it was just one of those three things so lurid. WHO's cashing? It said Hey I hope to my managers to get. Some money to pay bills. Kessel as she can't be right for this movie I'm doing Snell Rooks. Millbrook was but I showed often shot the film. Question how you prepare for I was terrified. It's one thing to dream about Hollywood and getting we. He didn't move. which basically that is cold. For the Bat Rain Status. Of. fantasizing about one. Being then GM. Because! I had a line at the beginning. When I show up for school. They say when you have to do something with your life, and the choices was a hairdresser or stenographer. Eventually you get married, have children. You know I come from a background where a college education was on the horizon for me or even affordable, so none of those options will open so what I did staging without being the movie stone. And went up Ireland nyu. School I got. I don't know how I didn't get record I got four dishes, and a friend of mine went back out to California from she uses scores. May Machine Eager win? So she had come to Californians plenty workout here. Stephanie Okay I'll go there. You know and it has some money from doing commercials. And I worked on soap operas, too, but to me it was real. horsecrap learning had act. I mean have. I be a teenager. Do you know what I need? No inner motivation, or whatever you WANNA call it. I know I remember being terrified. Chris was one thing to dream about having a lead in film, and it was another thing to all of a sudden be put in acquisition. We'll all listen he walking around you interviewing you and you being written up in the gossip columns. From into this thing, all of a sudden, it was like I just wanted to act. And escape. What was credited my future as a hairdresser? Is. So really was no preparation. I remember. Most people thought I was character. Address taking holly. Sexual Insane Person I've been married saying guy for willow over Thirty Years Small House. Very boring life, but it was interesting after during standards, all the people thought that I was and I remember a major. Agent and big agency called Nice. And I. You know they see my talent. Usual release we are tanked and that's like worse than having. You know the Chroma. Virus California nobody wants to know for you so I was like back. Ground Zero again I got this call from hotshot agent in Beverly Hills. So I, go into me and hold on calls closed. Your sits on the edge of his desk in. How are you I love You I light. Up. Drums. And I said what. I what you know should. Only buy. It was interesting. I can't have a virgin to drug. Take certainly try it. It's just not my thing. You know what I mean. It's just not. Right it was just like Oh. Man, and then consequently anybody I. would be like. He wanted to get hot and no I don't work. That was the aftermath of doing something like that and interestingly enough. I deliver in surely. I played any bash the landlady's daughter with Down Syndrome. This many years after Stanley Sweetheart GonNa be the head of casting in century city. There any it had this know that I had to. You had to meet your answerable. Great on glad you wanted to meet me in looking. You played any that initial. Yes, he was retarded. I mean I guess that's a compliment in a way. This is wonderful. You know because there was a whole spate of down syndrome stories after that everybody to Down Syndrome story. Do you know what I mean got any? What have you and they will? This in fact. TV Guide had done a editorial sings the first time some of down syndrome was played as someone not being. Oh, what do we do with our? You know this was someone who fell in love and had a life in what have you so? SMARTER ACTORS The neath. More high profile in the this is a career. Athletes do that one and they did at the time I was just interested in interesting characters. He thought that I was ahead town centre many with him so sweet when he realized that I was the person with. Khaki you something to eat into your coffee and. What is? And it hard learning mines and So I I'm just like real actress. You know and then they had the accents like. Go. To get back to Stanley sweetheart, because like I said I was terrified. Because I'd been a lot of added forget. I had worked as an actress no longer than week on anything, and it wasn't an important role. It was born like. Background School Day player bits. Nothing that you had to really take responsibility for at the end NBA. Review people look at. You're going to use sock down so. I I was not not -sition when I had come back to New York. The place that I was renting. They stack of the New York Times New York magazine, and that's when John Simon. It was clear a nasty critic that would make fun of people's faces in their bodies. And what have you and he won't scathing reviews I remember reading them at night. Saying I'M GONNA be chartered practice of this coming like I said it's one thing to dream about getting the brass rings of getting an acting job in a big acting job at a big studio especially when you're not crew for. Your their. People taking you seriously where people in the past slam enjoy in your face, so it was very scary, and I realized I wasn't ready for it, and I called Horny. Paul and I said I really have to talk to you. Because I don't think I can do this and I win over tyrod bike. Hotel honey side and I had the script. I said I'm not asking for anything. Just here's the script. I don't WanNa. Do this far. I'm not ready. I never really went to acting school. Except for nyu school the arts for a short time. Always there lay on the floor enclosed arise in imagine things that's not acting. English actors you shapes their premiums all that cousy, rolling around in the dark and stuff, so I had no idea about anything I said. This is the adult portion and I'm not ready. He laughed and he said is interviewed actresses. London in Los Angeles. If I didn't think you were perfect for the role, I wouldn't have given it to you. It add a year. Like I said I was terrified, and one of the first things that we shot was seeing the blonde wig and were sitting around the table, and all Michael Greer Michael. Ask, him. Like Michael and I wish she was still here. Because thank you miss them. But at that time he kept saying that great voice and he kept saying make. The cameras follow me into the day room and scarred me a close up here. You Know He. Was All about Him United? Sit there at the table while they will. And I listened to him and I was like terrified as a will. That's Okay I. I'll do something to get myself fired, and then we'll have to be in the most. That's very bad i. mean but that's what you do when you twenty scare. Rain, and you have no background in anything. I'll get myself. Fire some Sydney drinks now i. Hope I think in retrospect I wanted to get fired I could have. Come late. Not known right lines. Say Complain about the is a million things I could've done to be fired, but I just thought I would act crazy cable. They would see that how bad of an actress I was, and I'm talking about getting some sort of Reichen therapy naked swing of around, and I just started, and I was very I remember being relaxed because I had no pressure anymore. Diane, John, busy, running lines and everything. This. Get fired. I just such A. Swimmer by the balls stuff and I started laughing Sarah. I mean I was strictly with? There was no laughter. You Know Weinstein Line. And I just started laughing and acting crazy. Cut and Leonard came over and started hugging so perfect. xactly one I want so there never was any preparation bacteria question. I just thought I would come to work and just do whatever I felt like doing. That worked out well for you in this case in this case, yes and enterprise. The movie didn't go anywhere so. Nothing, but it was A. Period of time in my life. That was very amazing. Allies things but. There was no I. Don't want to give you a slick answer, but wasn't any preparation, but it had nothing to draw I remember. that. I had. Saying to the hairdresser, he civil. What should we do your hair and wasted? I really want that kind of kinky black. You know it'd be glad we'll have black launch my regular hair, but just have it. Like a gypsy. Thinking Nineteen Forties Burrito Sarah in the hunchback of Notre. Like that on fourteenth. Street, the all these places that sold wigs. You know African suburban a black one words like that like a gypsy that'd be great. Ameri came the next day Afro throw. Her. Will you know CENA wherever? Seems just kind of fell into weird places. I just went along with it because. I just thought well. So this is the beginning of more things are not are an interesting life. What do you think that Stanley sweetheart tanked when it came out? Good why? I usually here at marketing. They didn't know how to sell. It came out at the wrong time. Those kind of things I think it did. I, mean I said I can't be objective about it i. don't know what version of the movie that you saw because there's so many different versions of it should. Morrison did the music and Richie Havens, and they're not in any versions that I've seen. So those a lot of other things that were taken out I know. Richie, havens in will bill badly. Ritchie. Havens initially richie havens walked away from it because he thought was too commercial. Now at that is interesting. Christie's a man who made a fortune by doing McDonald's commercials but It's true the. Jim Morrison. Songs with true of them. Is that if I remember correctly and? They just cut those scenes out so those gone. Anywhere. Any I read things that aren't even true about it. Because I was there from the beginning like that Joe Jealous Sandro was cast, and he was never cast, he hung around the set, wanting to be an extra in along with all the people for Max's Kansas City. He was never cast in the film. I mean he might have been an extra inner. He was in the background, but I read something where he had been cast in it any offices coming late to the set fire. That was never true. John was a the only one who was officially cast in it, and never fire exchanged, or anything else is always done now Quincy Jones's daughter Jolie. She was the one who originally played my roommate, but then. Back Down that. He thought she was too young. The sex drugs in Rockwall, a merry, many Naringin, which a lot of using bat sex. Trump's knock enroll lifeboat was so it was interesting. And Vicky. Eventually didn't play. My roommate shingles I believe one of the nurses. I. I. Believe she was one of the nurses below. Was Karen Lynn Gorny in the film and I think they saw oh well. Let's hire her. I'm pretty sure that's how she got the park because we were in the middle of shooting, and they had to start changing people and Katie Don didn't work out. He assulin, but she went on to marry Bob West. For a while, but there more filled on done was such a hard thing to find the right guys at giant hall got the part. What did you do after it came out and didn't do well, it was very hard, because at the time i. kind of knew wasn't gonNA. Go Real. The mental our when Bob Left. You. Know when things were going on with the script. mcdonagh! Kissing. Pepsi. He didn't care for him and you know we had to start shooting then. They fired Katie and Katie by then we're. Bob and Katie decided you can see a tiny bit of caving in one of the scenes when he's in the language, but they went off to Greece or Italy. Going to the boat at night Bob. Small was there real, said goodbye. Mike went to off on Katie, so he was gone. Leonard was achieving director from my mission. Impossible's or you know. He was slick, so he wasn't any kind of experimental. So it just became like working for. A Corporation now I had done the dance staircase. Cutlass Summers before I was just somebody in the class so glorified extra. But that was two months doing you try was used to doing that kind of it was warner brothers ivory, so I was used to doing that kind of. Being professional showing up, but like I said the beginning, not having the responsibility of anything. You just show up over years there this way. The producers was the same way, so this is a big Phil now, but it was still corporate would try to cash on the US market and people took offensive that do use market that. Of course, we had easy rider. Was the Dennis Hawker Peter Funder? Aren't they? Big Conservatives who something hopper became one I'm not sure about Fonda so it was interesting that you know. which was going downhill rapidly at that point? Easy Rider Canaan which. Have your feelings about that, so. I remember going with it with friends and thinking this is so weird. You know these guys on motorcycles in taking drugs and everything. For me was anything. I could relate to the only women voters who take acid run around graveyards, so it was something I could relate, but it was nice to have a movie was the soundtrack, so mgm was trying to throw a soundtrack on it and be I. Think they tried to hard? It wasn't as they say. An organic experience I had a great time working on. It was announced terrified at first, but when Leonard said Linda. Just whatever you WANNA. Do you know how I have now permission to be? Because those slate that was like nineteen sixty nine. You're still being a nice person so stakes so all the central plains person who has no boundaries. Says thanks, take drugs, and so that was that was a very interesting. Character to explore, but I had nothing to prepare I think what I brought to. The table was an interesting exploring it I didn't bring any lower. Yes, I remember my. He's taking drugs and orgies I couldn't bring that to the table I don't had. To explore. It was fantastic stick. The must have been a lot of fun to be able to have that freedom and get paid for. A. Nice, it was very nice. What are some of your other favorite roles that you've done over the years? I've never thought about that. Say Stay all tied up with experiences. I mean terrier will. There was an interesting experience I became a member of the actors studio. We Strasbourg made me remember the student when I was around twenty seven something like that, and then it became a whole different world of acting relied to prepare no things in background and that stuff now. I had just done sill before that a movie cold. Why do you not have about that just? I've never been able to track that down. Okay well. That was the film I worked on five days a week from January until around memorial. Day I think it was. Going to work every day and INET I cried a pregnant teenage junkie. OJ played. Football, player and Tim Buckley played a musician. So there I was the pregnant teenage junkie, but it was a job and like I pay, so I've been doing that. And we certainly Nice because I've been doing it for quite a warm time I felt when this is over, never been to Europe I'm GONNA. Take the money angle to Europe and see that's like. Bobby calling who produced the film that was Harry comes nephew. said to you know a friend of mine is dreaming movie I think you're right for it. I don't remember how we got together. Gives recall you whatever, but I want you to meet these people. I saw. Well Okay and I wound up going to their house in Culver City. which is right on the edge of the black neighborhood, so it wasn't I mean it was a development of tract homes? It was very strange area because it was heavily. Inglewood I forget the names the around the airport. You know it was near the and this is very strange. To their place and I remember going into the living ended. It was a gigantic waterbed in the middle of the living room, which was making me seasick I met, but. And his daughter was there. He told me about the film. I said. I was crazy. I had to play this pregnant giant junkie for months on end, and it was like this emotional and I said do I have to get naked or have sex with anybody in this movie? And he said no I, said fine. and. Historic Daddy She's Regina. But. She's too skinny. They said you really are the character seriously. They yeah I said well. I'll tell you. Since I've been. Working on this other movie honing the script in everything, I really don't WanNA learn lines. Someone told me about mullet to moment being in the moment I mean this is still up and pay stacking moment to moment acting where you're in the moment, and how ever I mean I'm really glad. That, I was able to crack this all these different message. And make a living at it seriously because I need actors down A. Pain in the ASS. This. which shoes were they up for breakfast stuff? As long as you're in at the be naked or had sex with anybody on fine is i. don't WanNa read the script. You just tell me what's going on on the set, okay? That's what you want. Nice again, I don't hate me. Mike McCreevy's life would make all these awful tasting vegetarian meals, but anyway so I never knew because I thought I remember when we were doing the kitchen scenes because we shot that in a sound stage in Hollywood. I'm ashamed by I thought I was killed when we were in Santa Barbara. Those the scene I'm in that greenhouse and I said get killed and he said. People looking because she didn't read the script sign side, he said now you live. That's great, but I I would bring this I. Don't know what's going on next. Just thinking, if Lee were sitting here well, actually, I did tell him these stories, and he thought it was wonderful. We ain't ever did these kind of preparations. The things I just. Instincts, what was right? What was the moment? I've actually been looking for why for years it is. Almost impossible to find the only thing. I remember seeing. Tim Buckley. There's a website I. Don't think it's actually. Tim Buckley website that has so I've only seen clips from will is interesting was that Lee gorms was the cinematographer. On or any did the burning of Atlanta from gone with the wind. You shot that. He was crazy, and this was the first movie that was done on videotape. Quite wonderful in fact I found it as still from the other day. Now that all home I found is still that my gosh I'm so beautiful as dying junkie. was that lighting everything that he did that Sternberg kind of lighting? So why dovetailed into Terra House I made like within weeks are finished. Ram Memorial Day in the House started. I think around June or something like that and we had to. I had to read with other actors. I found John Nielsen. Krista was another movie I was GonNa do after tear house which. The ground. I was at the director's House One night and he said William Morris. Keep sending me these pretty boy actors and showed me John's picture. I said so. You don't want this guy. And he said no, and you can have this picture and I go to Buds Nice, nicer I think this would be the Gumri and said let's call its colours agent William Morris. We read was like this was a law I remember. There was a lot of people who rented. That are lead David. Soul I remember reading for Bunch. Bruno Kirby Richard Dreyfuss? Ton I. mean was everybody who was around at that time was there but John was the right guy from it. I'll reach a good film because you can find it on Youtube. Someone sent me a lengthy about a month ago. Criterion put it out. That one best film in Ten war back then in nineteen, seventy six. Announced that migrant labor so horse I've ever done are varied i. mean you have this crazy person in Stanley sweetheart? And then there's this rich kid junkie in y and the news This Liberman surely some down syndrome zone, being a migrant worker, so it's all in vary and didn't get tight, Pam. We'll keep trying to did did do lots of junkie parts I have seen all of his I didn't not be. Time your voices credited for the Cotton Club in scarface. What does the story with that I didn't sec sounds and scarface oh wow. That's the thing in Skopje's Libertad Taib retied. And that was fun because we did that at the Brill building, and everybody had to take their shoes jewelry off, and we all had to walk around this room in Dr, and not bump into each other and chat bigger tie massive riot. I'd only seen the someone's. That was when we were doing the looping l.. Has Stig bedroom in this hot tub and I think. Rocky Bauer is the top with these girls and I remember having to do. And the SALGA kept saying no, no, no the march the lips it's. You had to. With the lifts, so there's. No when they shoot up the nightclub or they shoot up something. I did the screaming on that screaming that. Lever Todd and the sex sounds this probably other stuff I don't I? Don't remember it I just remember being in the jar going Lieber Tajti. And coming back again. and. Cotton club a lot of finger, snapping and white. That was funny. We did the limelight that was church, which came a nightclub and stuff over in Chelsea, and because of the the roof hair, the people who enjoying the voice acting will white, and the other half were black, and then we did scenes as nightclub. White people waiting outside a nightclub in Harlem. We've always. And White People. Snapping. Keeping, time and there. Was the black people inside. Backed off. But. I haven't seen the film since I moved it, but I remember Gregory Hines diss. Song initiates total. She's Tan. She's terrific and she was a Bible Group that he sang for all these older black women who are reading the Bible and finding themselves and. They are snacking along none of us. They said Okay stop this group. SIT DOWN! Beside, it was funny. It was funny because it was show on Broadway at the time I. It wasn't smokey Joe's cafe. I don't we don't show. Is that was the cast that came to do the looping the African American actors? Z. Y. Actress. We all knew one another looping together, but The dancing and was just wonderful. White people. Outside of nightclub. Black people that are addressing all be relaxed and calm wonderful. It was good I mean that was an interesting topic that for a couple of days of the limelight. That was fun. Looking is fun. What's been keeping busy lately? I paint I've been doing that for quite a while now. It started two years ago. I got very very very sick with Flo. scarily sick, it took got sick January until a April I was hospitalized as the fever wasn't going down. There and they said well. We're running out of room. It was so bad, so I was sent. Home didn't get better until April I couldn't watch. TV or hold a book or anything was that. The. Only thing I could do was close my eyes and imagine color. Only, thing I could do. My birthday came around. My husband said. What would you like birthdays sorts? So we got them now I try. I is a local art school and. On Saturdays is scheduled to figure drawing thing in sketched that in on the bulletin board the hospital where I was headed, thinking the art of feeling, and they wanted submissions from everywhere in America for the show in retain for a year in this place and. We're like to lose how. I submitted a painting. It got accepted. It was curated got accepted. Last October I went to the opening night. There was an orchestra there. Who's catering invent was Karachi. My paintings on the wall behind rope. And, I situation you know a year ago I wasn't eating painting, and I never in my wildest dreams Soda Painting Hanging at the wall of the hospital now and terrified of going back to that hospital, being on a Gurney laying underneath while they look for a ventilator. It was really pretty magical. Going to that will be. Show in July September IRA. Paintings has oversight. We have to hose down. I had no idea. But it should weird. The way life is so yeah I. Paint a painting Solo Place. Is there a place where we can see them? I have some on Instagram Linda Gillan one a lot miskulin. Thank you so much for your time. This has been terrific well I don't give you some good information. I don't think. See. Around here. Not Be. Scam. Where did you end up growing up at? What I grew up in small town in Tennessee Carthage Tennessee on the banks of the Cumberland River. Cumberland was originally the. the war. which was named the American Indians in the Shawnee from there on? Migrated up into the various university swannee, and then the University of Tennessee and into New York and then to Hollywood, and so forth. How did you decide that you wanted to be an actor? What I used to sing in church? Out. There was a methodist church two blocks from my house and. Kind of grew up in the church and I used to sing in the church in. There says to do a play. A one act play called the valiant. When when I was in high school I had no idea of being an actor, but But my my teacher, my math Detroit's who presented plays and she asked me to do this character and I am not. She would read it. I read it and I was it was called is called the valiant, but a guy's going to be. Executed for apparently for crime done. And this woman comes to visit because she thinks it's her long lost brother, and she wanted to make sure to find out if it was or was not, and she interviews him and they talking. Of, course she leaves, and he'd convinced that he's not of course in the end, he quotes a line that she said their brother Likes Shakespeare only cowards die of many times of about in taste of death, but once an equal line so I did I had I enjoyed the. At, the time I was on interest in girls on Footba, but at the at the time had an English teacher. Terry, that couldn't get her class and she didn't like me and I. Didn't you know I was I was not a good student, and so we're performance, and and afterwards I said to leave the stage and come out of there this. Woman this teacher Terry and she was a as a large woman in Shuswap to. Make Pointer plays maybe to cover up some ECHINACEA. I don't know. She had cried tears running down, it makes. Like good, he's down their cheek through make up. And she said something something about how torching it was, and so they're. This woman of or maybe there's a communication I can find. There's maybe something here. This I couldn't anyway. Other. Way Make the connection of this woman, but if I use a vehicle, somebody else's word in a in A. Shoot at stage. To do that and you know make a connection. I said well. There's a pony in here somewhere so I. I really think that that was the moment. That I said well. This is an empowering thing is this is the second ride around the oval? You know so I, think that's it. How did you decide this is going to be what I WANNA pursue full-time, but after going through WHO's. been knocked out football in college and and. That that's not my having. You want to have a brain, so left and switch which? I. Was they went went to versus Tennessee, and I got involved theater and opera. There was of course as it was a singer. And I WANNA a grace more operating grace more scholarship. Back then grace more up your know. She was big. Star. In some operas in some filmed back then not many people I live might not, but she was quite revered and I. Think there's a an almost. Police are. For? Inter one of our own town or somewhere in there, but but anyways quite prestigious thing and there was a statewide contest of. Professional singers at the time and every two years and I want it and I had. A one. In a cash award, and it was quite a bit back then. That's nothing now so like lunch money now almost but at that time I was in the Air Force ROTC. And I was going to be a pilot a been in their efforts or at's ROTC for four years. But then the war was over, but right before I graduated, and they give me a another physical. My Eyes were below twenty twenty, and so they said well. You can't be a pilot. and. That's why I. Wanted to jet pilot, of course most every young kid did. I'll be just pilot, but he could go in and be second lieutenant and I. I don't know about that well. He said well. If you own the win, you can just walk away you are contract is broken this another point of realization. My whole path of life just switched right thin. And I, said boy I've. Recognized quite a bit for my ability to do certain things, and in to transfer feelings, and and and I'd won this. Scholarship to go to new. York can study and. And I was married, and had a little girl already had a daughter, but at times so well. I said I go to New York. Become a big Broadway star. So my wife and I am a little girl took off to New York, course that was when. I found out that. Wasn't GonNa be that easy. So anyway that was that was the pathway I a took to get there I. I took a leap off the cliff. And on the way down I should maybe I. Don't know about this. That you moved to New York was nineteen, fifty seven. I got a job at NBC Guy Because I, my my degree in college, was in journalism and radio and television, and so I had a college. To Be guided NBC to not take the people around the studio have a college degree and it helped. Helped, I mean to guy. I made sixty books a week. At the time of course apartment. Is it time cost sixty bucks a month so? I can manage that and so do that for a year then. I looked in a gotTA sing. At Radio City Music Hall in Glee Club there. It was the next door was. You couldn't get the job then? That Greek club because in show business you know and you open and close which I did I'm go into that loader. If you want to so many times that I just felt wonderful to have that job, and it been there twenty five years under interrupted some big, the tourists thing especially in the radio city musical where they had the raw catch and the quarterback in this symphony with a stage up and down, and and I'd just was. was happy as a pig in shit. You know on stage singing. They're making your living and I. Think I made seventy five books. We doing that for shows that they seven days a week and then had a week off, but still I was happy of. My wife wasn't as thrilled as I was. At that time. You know which God had a job for a while I was just you know what a rude awakening that was. If it was, we were go. To, what do you mean we've been fired? Yeah, the after twenty five years said. dispend the club. Too But What God, what I'm GonNa do now. And so I'm in the dressing room. We like twenty guys in the dressing room. Oh, great singers you know. Jan Pearson under. Or opera singer. Saying there one time I could do your shows and every hurt so dream could work on your repertoire, and then you could do voice lessons, but ever, and it was a nice job, but then okay I'm tired and so when we're going to do so the guy that address next me the thing which was base from Texas and he the distinction of being a championship. Championship parter he won the contest for always he the championship as having the the best part and the whole place which I don't know to me, I couldn't stand it I just I just. It was a I I mean I'm sonal farm annual, and I but I just couldn't stand to be an address room, but people farted these these men were Dresen coat tie. And all religious and everything and their release was farting I, but anyway cook clients. Said Buddy I was called buddy homily said Buddy, said I see here in the New York Times of having a having a contest for the national hog calling champion. Why don't you go and see if we? Can. Call Hog seven opera singer. And, he said what it says here, generous reward, monetary reward and said I. Don't give a Shit I'm in got him. So in between shows I was going to voice listen. On fifty seventh street, and after the voiceless and I walked back towards the musical, but I walked on fifty seventh street and Carnegie Hall is on the Corner. To walk down that treating Carnegie Hall because you could get some energy. Just walking back, Carnegie Hall and Walking Down The street. And I get. It started to rain and. Looked over then there was no studios right across the street and I auditioned for a lot of shows in their back to. Well, I go in there. I was curious. You had the hog calling championship up on this floor, so I took the elevator up just to look. Stick my nose in say. New York having a hog on national hug calling championship in New York, Fifty, seven, th street and this. This CR- opened the door and I said. Some I knew who have singer sitting there? Waiting to dishes and it looked around, they'd open the door with in the lights. Were cameras were going on? And then it? That's what good. What is this stage manager came out and he. says. You have to sign in I, said no, I'm talking just came up here beside. I can't I? I gotta go back to the the the musical I gotta show in in in about an hour, so I gotta go so I can get you in I then. Before I, knew it I always in this room. With TV cameras all the suits in, and they had a table lined up. He Was New York. performance you know from music badminton well, Robert Preston show museums their time, and they were unrecognised to. It will come to one of the dancers. There was just dipping in Biblical. World's in got. To look. At senator knew something about pigs I. Don't know. And so I said well. What am I doing? And the guy said okay. And I said well see I never called hogs. I'd Ra- raise them to far and my my father, my uncle. Called hogs I listen everybody. What wasn't a rocket science you know. So. He. He said okay, I said okay. What and he said called hugs. I said what kind and it got really quiet. It got really quiet in the room. Oh, man is one of those I think Oprah's. Nobody knows anything about the. So I'M GONNA. Have some fun here and I said. What do you want me to call Poland China's are? Are you in college? Old Sal over on the Hilton showed Sovan their little piglets up close worn. They just lit up. They got like. Oh, my gosh, so I got through a lure out there, and I had all the fish chasing that leur. And so I improvised Hong Callings I won the national. Championship I went back to musical, and I said Hey I want. It that night. They had me on the check Parsh- show. On the key in in diction on the big radio shows and other. was on the partial and that night and and I called my wife between shows before. The partial said Hey, honey. I'm going to be on the Jack Partial tonight. And she said Oh good. What are you going to sing I? Said I'm not singing. I'm calling. Hogs Hung Up. I mean it was mean to me to do that so under partial. I I just you know to Jackpot and the audience pretty much. What I'm telling you now and I. told and I, said. I, I and I even called hogs in German. Komitch shrine. Got Big laugh so. Anyway the talking about from there those early gigs that you had on things like naked city or are for where you are those all being shot in New York everything I only worked in New York. I was told I should go to California at work every day. I'd be working all the time because well. I'm from Tennessee. Still head my southern accent so. the writers in New York. Most of the writers were will. Non Most I'm really good. Writers were Jewish new. York riders through head rhythm in their writing. They would say Brenton you really funny, but we ride on a different rhythm, and so I I could play baseball players played in played baseball. Play soldiers any kind of thing where I didn't have to be from New York New York Cop. Through the few things like that, but. They could see the first one I did. I was a sailor drunken sailor on. It was really good thing then. By the time I was doing this. I had already started a big family. I ended up with seven children, five of my first wife and two from my second. I had so much. Such a big nut I take a chance to go for two weeks I was working as a waiter in a nightclub, and I was doing it doing off Broadway shows. Get One close and so I I believe it was like. Just barely making by one I. Remember when telling me at nine books, instead of buying something to eat with. It was so hot in new. York we bought a fan nine dollars fan. How did you get the GIG ON SESAME STREET? Doing one of those shows, a club called the upstairs at the downstairs on. Fifty Seventh Street. Six Street thirty, seven West fifty, sixth street, and this was doing the heyday of the Golden Age of cabaret in New York and with the topic we did topical reviews there and they'd been doing since sixty it was. Actually, my first job is covered three guys into the first show. They did there and worked as a waiter and that's. I made more money as a waiter than they were making doing the show. The next year I begged off, but they get me on as a waiter, and all the the staff there, the maitre d' the way in most of the bartender when when the owners. The owner was Irving Haber. He owned his brother Billy. Haber ran the bar downstairs, but most everybody else where. Their directors or writers are actors working, and so we gotta Gig. I did a movie in Germany to go on for three months came back I had my job. It's. You'd be moved the lion, and so it was the actors dream island to go to, and of course then later on after it was got. kind of a name kind of. The same I was actually writing for the Shum the show, a couple of the shows performing mon material there when I was doing. Show time with my partner Jimmy cousy John Stone who had been in a show there, and he's the one that started sesame street, but we didn't know what it was in Johnstone. He comes to said, but he you WANNA. Do just a few comedy sketches for thing. When might do here on vacation on television? That's what he said. You need a partner. You'RE GONNA Buddy. I see a Jimmy. It should be a two-seat. We worked. We worked together all the time and. We bounce off each other, really good and he said okay. And well I gotTa tell. You right in. Virginia I both alcoholics. And Jimi. Jimi is only live breathing. Person was funnier drunk than he was sober. Most most drunks think they're funnier when they're drunk and then But Jimmy. Of course, he was funny when he's sober and and any breed. But Jimmy. Jimmy wouldn't do sketches with me up your they. I. Don't know we'll and see so. They handed us. I think they give us five sketches. To Do, and we looked at them and said. We're going to shoot them. It's so Jimmy now looked at Messa Jimmy I think we can do this here that there and it you save you. We stopped at the sketches, but we figured out ways to do them. Make them more visual and. Instead we shot five of the sketches and we had a good time. It was fun and we laughed and. It was really good, but that was the end of that was the end of it, so we went back and went back to a new shows and and drinking more risky. In in for I got a call from Johnstone sit Buddy said coming up to plaza hotel, screening, Sesame Street and I. Said What's that? He said that's that's the show you did. The sketches said you. Said Yeah, he said well th. They're in the in sesame street. The show I said no, he said, come on up and see, and so Jimmy and I went up went into the Plaza Hotel again to television cameras and people in all the haunted tardy in New York there was. This is a big deal. They really promoting this. They were all excited about this show they had and we didn't know what Jimmy and I just sat in the chair, looking around and. The important people were there in the show started I said Oh. This is interesting. And then all of a sudden, we came on. Let's fill out of our chair because they were in this big screen and. Of course the big screen should back to it. People started laughing and they'd laughed, and we left and hit good timing. That's that was sesame street. Above simply sweetheart. And how did you get involved with that one Leonard Horn is you know. Was the director and he directed. Commercials. Do you know about that and he was commercial director at the time to I think. I'm pretty should on a couple of years commercials. I can't remember which I did over one hundred commercials back then. Besides waiting on tables, doing commercials and doing everything could just keep me in the family of float, did all these commercials and he was and was I, guess I was kind of well known and around town, but not an audit would. New York can do it during these shows, but so I got call, said, come up and do this scene. I was on the set and I had. This seemed to do with on Johnson and. was just shot on the upper west side. The there was a movie theater called Riviera. Twin River and review earlier I think there's something on the corner of Ninety Sixth Street and Broadway on the roof. They're Nice, big rooftop. Grow show one big thing that I was in was cut. It was big extravagant. I think was referred. There was there was some this whole scene wasn't cut. But my part with the naked women and stuff with. Was Cut, but WH. They're seen those in the film, which is really good, short scene with good Don Johnson and me just two bucks up on the other side of the street in little coffee. Shop. Looks a lot like the coffee shop where the Seinfeld. Coffee shops there. Will a little like anyway. That's about where it was. It was real live coffee shop to see in him. Of, course meantime I talked Rajon Johnson about. You know what's going on, is he? Of course he was a kid. He's just a kidneys telling me about all the naked women and he was, he was like a wide i. didn't hear I am doing this, you know. Telling me about WHO's Radian who had and so forth we shut this really good scene, and then that was pretty much it and I was. I was surprised to see that when I saw the film I. Haven't seen it in all these years. But when I. When I originally saw it the one and only time I said. That, that other big 'cause I played the guy in the coffee shop and also played the psychiatrist right right? Yeah, tell me about that scene because I've never seen that either well. Just anybody saw it You know there's a scene on the rooftop all. The. War. Hold people in stuff up there. Bouncing around this rooftop I can't remember that much about it to be honest with you, but that's what they're seeing that I. would see psychiatrist and he came up with the women involved in him and. Topless stuff. I don't know I think the wonderful. Interviewed Linda Goodwin. She was involved in that she might have been a nurse in that and might've been topless. I don't know but I don't know if it's I. Can. Tell know anything about it except I thought who I'm. Coffee shop then pulling 'cause this is all in. His mind assumed when I said Oh I beg your okay, I'll do that. That's about all I can tell you. I was curious what it was like being in. You'd Better Watch out. Written about that quite a bit too and I have a new book coming out and I've written some more about it and. The character I played in in is as. Compared to the bickel rolled deniro. Did you know in tax the and and The the! What's his name walking? In this in the joker, this you about how the insanity of these three characters were on a parallel. They thought they were doing the right thing but I place rolled in. And it was I just if they auditioned everybody New York I, think and then the oldest sudden director. Louis Jackson, said he the guy. So I, just said okay, and I read it and. I could it's. This is really good. Psychological thing about what happens to you remember when your kid and Oh. There's a Santa. Claus Oh. There's an Easter Bunny. There's religion all this. You know. Oh wait a minute you know, but there's certain people in this kid. He took it. Oh, this is how it's supposed to be. Yeah, they're good kids. Big Kids in in lieu said all this. You've done all this history about you know about. Germany about how it's. With the. Kids got. If they're bad. Kids would deliver lumps of Coal I. Love doing it I love the idea of doing it, but he had to do it for a dime. You know and we I work six days a week for four weeks. I think and I right in the middle of that I. Did dressed to kill I three days off? Address the killed in those three days off. It was just. Talking to zero degrees I to wear that beard and sweating during this stuff and I couldn't go in and eat the food through a straw I stayed outside, but hey, this is our in I'm I'm happy I'm doing in. You know it never opened. That film never opened. People got Ahold of an inch. Play every year now. I've been asked to come to I. Have a couple of out here in the show examined the season Christmas season, and all these fans did in quite a number of. Fans that show and it plays every now this year. On show showtime this Christmas you know and that's up as. It got some critical reviews like it was shown privately or something, or whatever, and it was doing that time of the slasher films, which are still very popular, understand the smasher. This wasn't a slasher film. This is a psychological study of a young guy who didn't who's influenced by what happened when you so his mother, and what Santa Claus were doing, it was shocking to him, and and what it changed his life, and what happened to him after that? So of course he does kill people, and in a bizarre weight and kind of different ways in. But it's. It's poetry in this thing. There's poetry in this film. In essence and telling of the story and his. And the tragedy of it and Some people didn't like the ending, but I thought it was just the best part when he he's into sleet and the van is, he's not of course he's. A good carpenter could he could make toys and make mold toy soldiers car car toys. Things were hanging around and wegener. And to make your correct satis. In everybody and the back then. They, hit me see film called am. It Peter Louis, the German film Peter Laurie they. It'd be go see that before we shot the film. That's the way they said just to see that. There's some humanity and no matter if people that do really terrible things inside of them, there's usually some humanity in them. But, I remember him his speech. -puter. Speech whenever they Delta guys with the tortures chasing. Corner Him and he said wait a minute, he said. You have a chance here. You have a choice you can kill me are not killed me when I kill. I have no choice I have to kill. Hard to get into a crack collect said but. I had to put that in the back of my mind I. Don't know that blue thought about it deeply I, think Lou just for going on. The surface what he'd been told, and and how he filton with with the. What he had going in for him there. We'll tell me a little bit more about your books, and where's the best place to pick those up? Get most have been on Amazon. 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Of Non local connections. Quantum entanglement. You might come to with me in where possums dancing, the willow sings. The full title of which is to soar aloft on butterfly wings were possums dance and the willow sings. Off to the near side of the moon to see himself, who believed to be me if you don't identify with some part of that, you probably got no business Book are listening to it and I go and say this is this is my new book is an archaeological autobiographical dig both on and off the stage into the life and mind now eighty six year, old actor, writer, Father Grandfather, husband, former lover, humorous and longtime sober alcoholics us into the present day human experience. Kind of an idea what Mr Mega thank you so much for your time. Okay Yeah. Hope you can use some of that and if you have a chance, you can. Send me a copy of it. I can sit by by dropbox reviews in those things. See. Made. Even play! It makes me. To See in small. Seeds Sky. Assay reflections in. And there's no longer share. Anita man. We're back and we're talking about the magic garden of Stanley Sweetheart now I know you mentioned a little bit about the three endings. You talked about the book ending. Can you talk a little bit more about some of the other endings? That might have happened for this? Redeployed different endings. We know the wanting. To Sell do another Andy where. After they find out about Danny's death. Stanley goes and meets with Kathy and take her to the airport because she's so distraught because I believe in the book. You know she was in a relationship with with Gandhi by that point, so she's pretty upset and Stanley says goodbye. You're at the airport and I think the book just ends. Tim Sort of I think just going back through clay or something but the movie. darns onset. I guess suggested that shot which was i. think whether he just goes back to California whether he goes back in to New York City I. Yeah I believe. They shot three different days. Because I remember talking about how he just kind of closed his eyes and spun around, and then it ended up pointing to like an uptown bus, so he ended up taking that back to Colombia and back to his life because they don't really talk about him that he's not going to class. There's one scene where he confesses to Danny like yeah I'm kind of I'm. I'm dropping out. I'm not officially dropped out but I'm dropping out. I'm not going to class. I can't complete movie, and so things are going bad for him that way, but I mean after a few scenes of him at school, especially in the language lab. It's like we never really see him. Go to school at all now. He the book and pretty much abandoned. Kurdi early on yeah. Just sort of. Dropped the whole. Student thing pretty early on, and I guess that kind of goes to the letter from his mother, talking about just what kind of slacker he is in that. She's worried about him and that they're running out of the money that has father left. Him are left them when his father died and that you know, she pretty much thinks like we do that. He's not going to finish things and that he is going to drop out. Brings me to like. The type of character that he is and why he's almost like yeah, how close is he to kind of Matt like? is able to be able to function in society is he isn't going to be able to continue living the way he is is run out of money and you know he's become a drug addict and dropped out of school. This guy going to do lost in the fantasy all the time, and so I kinda like sort of open ending the moody choose on some level with the with the freeze frame became just sort of walking, but he's GonNa be sort of this character, and what's interesting is that I did come across one article where I read that. One poll at Robert Westbrook to write A. Sweetheart and said in Rome that would have been interesting. which is where family seed hard like an Jaylo, which is where he where West actually off with with. You Know Pressures Y. Oh, you're. Oh groovy. We can do at show again. I would love to see a room. Yeah I know. Those credit so dire in down. That I'm surprised that that didn't become the the end credits. Just because the movie is kind of light months, we get past the credits for a little while, but man. Oh, man, those opening credits are just such a Downer looking record like music stores that sell old out-pizzas, though often be collections of movie music of any given year or whatnot like Oh! Nineteen, seventy in film, music, or whatever or or the hit movie songs of the year, and and they're. They're all like covers. oftentimes, it seems to me. like other artists covering whatever song this I've seen Nobody knows which I think in the in the is Bill Medley. Is that Jaren? Yeah so. These other albums, which is interesting covered by other artists so. We'll initially it. Nobody knows was performed by Richie Havens. And that was initially. The person who's GonNa be the theme song and you know hot off of Woodstock which evens is pretty big at the moment and you know to have him do the theme song with been pretty cool, but he apparently saw the film, and then wanted his name and song stripped or vocals strip than the film. And there was also another song because there was an artist named Kathy. Smith who was on the soundtrack as well, she had a song called end of the world, which was supposed to be in the film, and she was on Richie Havens, stormy forest label, and when he his Song Yeltsin to her song with them, and so that song taken from the film as well unfortunately, which is really unfortunate, because that's a great song and to the world by Kathy Smith. They ended up the bill medley vocals. I believe two days before. Just don't release. That's what I read. Yeah, that's how quick it happened, so it was very hurry hurry. Replacement, and then they put this on and apparently according to Linda Gillan said Don Johnson's is okay with it because she was used buddies with Bill Medley, so he was stoked at his. Friend was going to do the vocals for two days before the For the release they would have had a wet print. Actually call it that a wet print is right out of the suit. Will in at that time to I'm sure that they weren't. Wide like they do now probably would have been limited release to what New York and. I mean it premiered at the Paris theatre New York. They did some speak preaches screenings before rated X.. I keep seeing various ads for the parasol say rated X. Some say rated arch, so it may have to have the rated X. print for a week or something. And then they switched to the I. Don't know expert got out, and if you spots I know plated Nordhausen eager and York. I think maybe a month early, in April of nineteen seventy, and then they. You wanted to county screening now I. Most screens I've seen reader in California New York. But what's interesting stories that you know in in for the first two years all when they first put the movie out to kind of sell it as an art film. Review start coming in, and they're not so hot. It seems like the Kinda shift the way. There's sort of selling the film at that point, and then it you know I just like when it's double feature. Sometimes it's double feature with like a really artsy film like. Blow up or or Zabriskie point or or get Carter or something, and then the other you know other times it's been double featured with some like sexploitation film, so it was almost like they didn't really know what to do. With the film, they had these artistic intentions and wanted to put this honest art film out of looking at the life of the youth, and trying to be as honest as they could, but when they felt like the reviews weren't really supporting that they had to kind of shift gears by the time that they had to settle the suit in nineteen, seventy two. MILLION OUT! That's pretty much when the film just disappear and I you. I think it only. I could ever see it. Pop Up on was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight pasta popped up as part of a Boston. I mean a Boston gained lesbian festival, and it played for two nights on that and I was like the first time it had played since probably nineteen, seventy, two or three. And then the only other time has been when we had screening Ala McGrath House. I guess they saw the gay subtext a lot more than we necessarily. Yeah. At the time it was the first festival that they put together, so they I. Think they were also little hard up for material for four the actual festival, so I think they were like Oh. This has a little bit of a subtext was put it in I think it was a little bit on that. A little bit, but the film is you know it does specifically it is fascinated by the ideas of sexual identity, so I guess it does sort of makes sense that it would be part of a festival. All, right? We're GONNA. Take another break in play preview for next week show. Booth. Should go say. Via Chris only to the NIGGA. Nearly this the move is the. To. Protect those. Rather too dino seal that. I think he's ready to. Do for. Thirty. Ask? You'll meet their diet settled. Yup. took. WHO As it will be back next week with Fernando airballs. Viva La Muerte until then I think this week's Co host. Daniel injured so Daniel, what is happening in your world sir. And then it gets cut a lot of things. Short I was supposed to be directing a new series for for for you know. An HBO show that got postponed and then various other projects that I that I was working on. Just kind of got got. You know cut short and kind of a playing the waiting game biding my time right now, Rana overwhelm. The Sky got also cuts short. We were which is my film that is directed which had a play in New York. And then what's GonNa? WE'RE GONNA show in La in May and that that, of course couldn't happen. but that will be opening on. An I tunes and I'll be on Amazon next month at, and it'll be on Netflix in November other than that Adam and jared neier kind of working on a nominal or a kind of a loose sequel of sorts to this film to Stanley speed hard in a way, which what we're talking about a little more recently. where I'm to I'm reading currently enough reading. The James Leo Haley Novel He wrote Manet Cowboy. He also wrote a book called A. Season of the witch, which is an overused title. A Lotta things but as a not a counterculture saga of a young woman coming to New York in. Sixties and getting caught up in the local free love and drug culture so I'm I'm maybe going to be borrowing from that. I don kind of trying to formulate a new. Narrative around which a Stanley like character who might even be named Stanley. Where he goes after in a way and I told jared I kinda wanted to be like a good dard wants that you could have faded out from. tests and put it up and that said five years later, then cut into his his movie breathless. innkeeper so kind of thinking along those lines two very different movies, but they have the same kind of like character prototype I guess phenotype. might even share name, so that's one project on burner, and then I'm maybe working gonNA, h music. Is Musical. original musical with a local departed the area song. Songwriter filmmakers collection of songs, and I got other project new commentaries to for a discreetly says which has been fun. Jerk what keeps you busy? well right now. during this this time during the quarantine lockdown time I've just been you know watching a lot of movies didn't take a break from everything I was doing a background acting for different TV shows and films, but now that all the productions kind of stopped so I'm just kind of on hiatus after move just sort of taking a break. He's Captain Oaks Hickories for the first time which we mentioned I did I really enjoyed that film. yeah I've been watching a lot of been kind of going through a lot of kind of cultures films lately I've watched that one captain milkshake. Watch another film called explosion at some nine, hundred, sixty nine, a movie called river run. That was pretty great. those think from nineteen sixty seven. Yeah just been going through and watching a lot of counter culture films, I've been writing down a lot of different ideas and. Working on some rough drafts of for the project, Daniel and I are working on. 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Bradys Troubles + Herberts Ascent With Tony Romo. Plus the John Belushi doc With Jim Miller.

The Bill Simmons Podcast

1:44:04 hr | Last month

Bradys Troubles + Herberts Ascent With Tony Romo. Plus the John Belushi doc With Jim Miller.

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And you got up and started imitating different quarterbacks for me in kimmel on sal and this guy's got it soon as his career is over. It's another forty years going has it. Tony roma's have been everything you thought it was going to be. You know it has much you know. It's kind of the unknown when you're done in football it's like what are you gonna do next. I love the gaming says talking about it and analyzing it studied it basically your whole life so to be able to kind of keep doing it. S a huge positive and sometimes get lucky. People be like a little bit of everyone. But i think we can okay at some parts. How how many times have you gotten itchy to come back like less than the guy you love gambling given over under over under four and a half times you got itchy over the first year I probably did. She wants but other than that. Probably probably you know life goes on. I got three boys And the dad. You know i got golf for the competitive side of it and announcing cy kinda get competition is really what i love. So kinda all right. So let's talk old. Quarterbacks coach would technically be old quarterback fierce still playing. We're taking this on a tuesday brady last night against the rams. This was the third time this season when a team that really actually the fourth time when a team that could really pressure him seemed to discombobulated him. And it seems like. There's two tom. Brady's at this point one as the guy that if he has time he looks ideal. Tom brady and then there's the other one the one we saw last night and a couple of other times this season where it looks like it has wanted to get hit. He's making throws that. The tom brady of ten years ago. Didn't make before and it just seems to me like it's pretty clear anyone that has a front seven that can make him. Uncomfortable is going to either. Beat the bucks or come damn close. What do you see from afar. Well that's always been the case extra. Okay the only difference. Is i mean quarterbacks ziegler aaron rodgers against the forty niners last year. You know the front four committed very uncomfortable. Guys were amazing to look. You know not at their best against those type of teams. Now i would say brady you go to a new system. You have so many like you built a system. When he built for twenty years basically he built it so he had all these things set in place for churn. Looks certain let's packages certain pressure. Looks that he could get to you. You know when and welker in the yeah you must never pressure and when he did usually got caught with a play that also Extreme and lavas. Because you'd assistant so he could go to. It instantaneous detainees. And when you go to new system you gotta learn system ends. There's so many levels to every quarterback has been around a long time so many levels to the system you start to morph into you wait. You need for certain things. Chocolate coaching staff You start to go ahead and say like us for this but it doesn't come up often comes up. Three games I can use it. Why because we did it in two thousand six back in two thousand twelve and had houston. Well i think he just figuring out and the coaching staff really Is figuring out that. Tom ability to get the right. Play is gonna win the ad and it's a new system and they do have kills the checks have certain things but you don't have you in a second third fourth fifth level to in time so t to get after you You find very quickly that you're now trying to process the information differently than you. Use these kinds of up to that right now but i said after the first game when people roll off a little bit a be careful. You know very unique. Wave for people wrong. Greek but at the same time. He's forty three and this has to end at some point. You know and i think when your quarterback especially in big games and especially we ended the playoffs here. You know your little bit like a pilot. You can't even if you make one mistake. That might be it. That's the mistake you know. And that was the thing for years and years he would always kind of you know he would have his moments but some of the passes. These had this year. You just kinda go. Oh man that looked like a forty three year old guy and the part. That's hard for me to figure out whether stage the the system. This is a hard one to describe in their system. They have the ability for the receiver to read it and the quarterback to read That's a little bit different in that. How new over time reaches receiver all receivers. That have high dance. He knew what they do versus. This look outside leverage guy inside versus the safety shaded. He's gonna he's gonna widen it also find a guy he's gonna widen it benzoate rat. Rodney's throwing the ball and you expected him to do that. And so Every time he goes there session. I would argue easel almost learning the people the system. And so i don't look at it in a way as long as they get in the playoffs. Yes he'll be fine with but he's probably not make the same state twice. Insane routes insane coverages insane books. But you must have to go through that. I don't care who you are. I mean you just can't learn that second third fourth fifth level. This talk with no offseason. This time is done right now. Is still not. Say money to how to do it against his defense. Day-to-day day out. Make those the states of no one's looking sudden you put that in your brain. He processed information over. Didn't make that again in week. One just going through that a little bit but he's still playing great. It's just a little bit different. I'm a big body language facial expression guy. That's one of my thanks. Say i some people call me the body language dr. I haven't liked the body language of him in a couple of these games in especially yesterday. Because i think one of the things that made him so awesome to root for for me for twenty years. Was he carried himself like a movie character. You know it was like having patrick swayze walking into the double deuce like that kind of energy. The guy in tampa. Sometimes you could see it when it's happening especially last night. Just he has looked like. I can't solve this. I don't know what to do and to me. It seems like he's got three really good receivers he's got at least one good tight end. Spread 'em out. And do tom brady stuff and i don't know why they don't do that. So why aren't they doing well. What happens game for all you go back a long time that dan marino them out. When you look at it because quarterbacks usually like things spread up because When you have people very close together let's say you have a bunch formation tight end points a guy one yard inside go patriots right right here you got hausky here and then he gets receiver bob. He's on the red side. Brady just off the line of scrimmage and then you've got another receiver over here well that makes the defense all get closer view as well. The game in the nfl from quarterback's perspective is about fresh and not about before the front who could break down the protection got five offensive linemen four lining. Let's say one guy gets the block. An extra sends the set or online. He says sever go block. Mike fifty two at two. You got so who else is left. You gotta running back. So he tells senators block. He's got but if you bring a safety in a nickel quarter hour here over the whole bunch all of a sudden you're like those guys can break the protection spread it out if they wanna with they gotta come out of the middle Or on the side or your purchase. Show me or that guy out there on the slot receiver. He's got start coming in. I can change the protection center. Go get him get him now. In new england. They were incredible because they could do. All these tight bunch. Looks mostly get steph mrs. Because they did so much stuff really got the ball out of caesar so much unique stuff that it allowed the quarterback. You're seeing we have an answer right away now. This is the bloomberg straw new three yards for us. Well that's kind of a struggle sometimes. We'll start nate. Yeah you wanna throw for four and to me. It's just learning the system. In what really over time is the right way to do it in the system and so were any quarterback of frustration command. When you're like there might be a better way but then you gotta also teaches to allow people not very difficult because not everyone has his background the enemy for which is there didn't so they can't it just put stuff in left and right now knowing all the little insurance for every single player on so you're buying long-term on the bucks you feel like three months from now this will too much i guess so mid-january you feel confident that they won't look sloppy like this. I think it's easier to dole keep. We used to be like that. mike Believes gone motion defense. Running they don't really want to pressure you all seen. You're gonna change very quickly. I think the bucks could motion a lot more. Make the defensive communicate and you know in a way talk about would be like if jabbar's in the pain for the lakers are fish comes out right. Yeah setup but it's like this guy's gonna catch turn shoot. We not what that with rotations league started to get better faster people knew how to rotate go. The other guys. They all had to communicate when football's the same way. You want to make defenses after talk while snaps occurring and when you're static your stationary they can fake it. They can talk offenses. They can do a whole bunch of stuff. Make it look like this. Get back into spot. But when you're going for homes and the chiefs to receive a motion movement of everybody council defense dot. It's harder pressure those side of things. I think there's one thing i would say that. They probably need to get a little bit more. You movement priest not incredible basketball reference. Know that that's why that's why you've made the transition so you're seamlessly ever to grab other sports in here i it's spurs taking my right when get moving going all about it now you've brought to nba teams in this. I love it all right so we have no fans this year. And you can pick up basically every audible every signal every whatever that the quarterback saying and all these little testings. There was one game. I was watching. A car was doing. Like sammy davis. And when you're watching these games because you have that weird brain were you in general. No whatever he's gonna do. Are you even picking up like the terms and by the third quarter ago and oh they're doing. Sammy davis that means the running back. Like how much can you absorb. Even as the games happening feature all the time. I think people sometimes talk about coach. You know some people in the organization asking a question about when you're hiring. Someone certain things. I look at just the point about you. Mate would be your ability to adapt so from a coaching perspective or quarterback. It's like you process the information that just happens and come up with a plan that's in your system on offense would say yeah office coordinator. This is happening. We weren't prepared for that right. How can i teach make it very simple for eleven guys. Say this because they don't have all the rules subtle difference so you have to have allowing highly make that civil for all eleven guys. Make it something that we do. We're going to change it because they're doing all this crazy stuff now. And that's just your ability to adapt on the fly and a lot of coaches. i found. Can it on monday morning after they look at the should have got to this or you should on this earlier. Could have done this in quarterbacks the and then the rare guys the guys were really gifted. They're doing it on the next drops round so blue. Is that blue seventy two. Yeah but it's it's like sammy. davis right. Defense should get coached inside the middle linebacker. He has washers is. Hey that saving davis when they ran outside zone right in. Let's pretend it was red. Rover will there's an offered so offenses are making it really easy and simple wrote over right so is it past layers ulcer players outside zone great guys next time. They run red rover. I want you slide lie as milan. Back is the quarterback defense. Say slide right. Well you have that you were sweet. But we've done before you dislike gain a little events that's dead so the art thing it could be like railroad range rover rod stewart anything with an r and everybody knows just to go. Right is football that easy now red might be right. Rover might be the play read. Might be right and what happens is offenses here that you know that they come back with red gotcha going left. Goes back and forth chattan how they keep track all this stuff so has there been a game this year because literally. We can hear everything this year. Has there been a game this year whereby the fourth quarter. You knew everything that team is going to do. no i. and you never know when she's football school slick. Uh sometimes it can be like math here. You can kind of get yourself great opportunity. I guess you could say to to guess to guess more like poker plan. I don't know i. I know you don't gamble at all so poker. Sometimes you can kind of guess what people are by the way. That's not a par. The permutations don't just end with so incisively if mannerisms of people like you said yesterday that guy's looking like you'll see there's a linebacker You walk up with And i told you before the center. Hey tom brady. Says senator mike fifty to go block fifty two. But you're sitting there fifty around looking at us for ten to bliss yet. Six is right next to him. Fifty six to center looking down at the ground and through all the changing flock in and all sudden if six times and it's because the mannerisms guy it's like guys are trying to hide under blitzer. They don't wanna look at quarterback. Don't give me give me. I'm not here. I'm not here. I'm not what you already know. That's not right. You'd never do that. It's so hard it said. I think it's the hardest job in all sports and you see like even to. I had the dolphins I had the money line. Not the minus nap. But at the dolphins beat the broncos. The broncos stink. They've been down twenty four straight games and then to whatever they're doing with them in that first half he just can't figure it out and then it gets into the second half it's like. Oh they'll make adjustments. Nope still can't figure it out. Finally they have to go. The fitzpatrick thing and the reason could figure it out the short field donna. They're sending weird pressure. Sometimes a russian four sometimes weird blitz and he doesn't have enough confidence to just drop the ball over people's heads and they basically have to take them out. And i think two is good but it just shows you like the stuff that like. Somebody like herbert's doing where his thirty seven completions in a game near rookie. And i don't know i just think the position so much harder but do you think we expect too much from some of these rookies depends on the system in the towns around you everything. The one part is you know with the two one. You gotta remember. We went against. And i think vic fangio is the head. Coach of the broncos is one of the best defensive design coaches used defensive coordinator before was difficult than i went against as far as like. What like usually we have rules. You look at snap based on coverage so certain rules cover to these routes justice for our receivers. It gets covered three. We know what we're looking at. But the very i mean the league why it's different than politics to high school. You've got to figure out what they're in right. After the snap were presented first second third down very difficult but after snapping. You have to look at certain guys to tell me what a safety they both go back. It's covered too because you want shape all right. Well if one guy goes down and goes back three and that means that three guys have all the way to the end zone to protect on defense to go back in the one safe. He goes back to safety To back at half the field fifty percent of all the way to the end zone so what does yours. Look at safeties maybe linebackers allow to determine where you start your reach so miami starchy cartoon or here one to two to three and four encounter three same. We didn't change route concepts. Oh it's covered three. I start over here. One two three to four. So what happens when you're young going against vic fangio you kinda don't know what it is. Is it for three two man in all of a sudden. You're kinda like hold on. You don't know where to start and you don't know how to get through because you're just randomly looking so you don't make it system that something wrong with lamar or is this just one of those year from hell years for them. Well it's a. It's a combination of things. We know how talented he is. You can't lock your way into. Mvp yes we know. He's a very special quarterback in these great career in the nfl. This you're just you know. Lost the right guard. He retired was a great player. Marshall and then they're left. Tackle ronnie stanley. He's lost east. I mean those are the best lineman yet fell and don't understand how you went from two and a half to three seconds in the pocket to one and a half two seconds now on all the region. You're used to doing it the space you normally go boom boom boom gone yet. And you're like whoa. That wasn't like that last year. And it's like baker mayfield on your one zeitler novel of lining the trader to the giants. And i think for in remember correctly there. But and i was like I didn't love it simply because bakers used to playing this seed. I can read it. I have time to get through this now. The next year is reading the same things that bo now. Your trump clock speed on everyplace. You're trying to do it faster over time that starts to make mistakes happen also plays the grady year ago. Quite there Teams have had a year study use of that was going to help half a second front of you are right there anymore. There's another half a second all adds up and that's why it's really hard to me for a long time without the just in time for the holidays the new oculus quest to is here more advanced processing power more pixels more freedom of movement. It's the most advanced on one. Vr system oculus ever developed. There are hundreds of games to choose from star wars tales from the galaxy's edge or the new battle royale phenomenon population one or the worldwide smash. Hit beat saber. When you play oculus quest to you feel like you're really in the center of the action honestly. Playing video games on this is nuts. I look back with i think about. I've been playing video games for forty years now most recently with my son every once in a while but to think about how far we have come with with With gaming and everything else all the way to vr oculus quest to holy macro. I recommend you give it to somebody in your life. The most anticipated holiday gift the season play for real learn. More at oculus dot com. Have you done a herbert game yet. I actually do this first one. Oh which was amazing. Because tyrod taylor most get stabbed to death by the team doctor basically and then Herber comes in. Looks like he hadn't even like showered or put his contact lenses. In as i am i playing and then was really good and i was watching. That going is wait. This is he could and now now we know like the guy is special and he's kind of unlike any other. Qb right now is just like this old school afl gunslinger right. You must love him. While i watched one watch this. I drive and i said i'm gonna tell you right now this kid. He's not pretty good. He's really good. So i could see some of the smaller things times of your life. He should have been able to do that yet. That was rare. Now mike okay. Maybe that was like he should have been able to do that. Their suv among for striving. I said i told jim i'm telling you it's not pretty good. He's really good. And he's special. They hit a homerun writer. So i remember. I remember you doing that game. Now that you're bringing this up. And i remember me becoming more and more impressed as the game went along you kept pointing it out. He was the chiefs crappy. Maybe i think it was the chiefs. The winston had or beat down score to beat them right and her a few tough losses. Now we sweat amazing but he has the ability to. I call it process information quickly. And so when you're young you really can't like i described. You can't always know exactly what to look at new young. You don't know where all the rules are stuff. I said from a three hour. We start rumble. But when he does special were ours guys over here over here. And i kinda like underneath a stroke. Behind that had that that touchdown he threw where the guy hadn't even turned around yet and he threw it through this twenty five yard laser to this is where the guy was going to be a second half later. It unbelievable i haven't seen in our. He wrote that he. He threw two dollars. That quarterbacks don't usually makes in the first day this was later on a murder. Knew he was really good. And i. I mentioned on air but he was exceptional. Like i mean it's hard to describe but he's it would be too long to explain her there yet. I saw anything but he just does things that are that are rare and she has the ability to throw the ball downfield versus certain colleges not others you and he has the ability because he sees it very quickly and his. Is your people. People always patrick mahomes as this kind tender anybody. But you'll look over here and he's looking at people have seen them go like that and throw it. They see that but in reality they don't see the one where he's looking at the guy but the linebacker. If you go watch the he's he's throwing break in this right he's gonna throw her. He just looks right here in the backer moves in any goes any just using his eyes. So he's not doing is he's not actually looking most quarterbacks. Look at the guy who throat yet when you get really good. You live at the defensive move. You say already number my guys. I'm just gonna look the defender. I'm gonna throw here. Just move your body weight. Just an inch started body weight here. Bam i got the extra foot i need all goes back there and that's where a little bit. Nfl top hundred shows. That did that. Bella check on and they were doing the ed reed section and they showed this play were ed reed faked out manning where he i kinda rough or somebody could not know where he basically. He pretended he was going to veer laughed. Because he knew what manning was gonna do. Pretend he was gonna throw right and then throw back left deep to reggie wayne so edry drifted that way and then basically did this one eight hundred sprint to the spot and picked off manning and manning came off the field like he was just what fuck this guy taking. It and bella check was so excited about it. He was like. Dad is the greatest thing i've ever seen a safety make in my life but it was the only time i remember. The secondary guy outwitting dude. Who's outwitting him with the eyeball. Look to the right because manning specialty you were good at that too by the way way back when you're exactly right it's you know if you're good enough like if you know the rules to think when you see this so when people come off the ball if you're every you see this combination for dessert on that way right and you see the quarterback who's really good you against rookie. You looks over here. You flow within royal. Go pick it off or to feet manning. You're watching cape if you really like. I said if you're gonna adapts washington savior every time. He looks right on these. Four guys going vertical heathrow's. Yeah why is that. Are you willing to trust that in a game. And so when he looks right is really still looking at you as trying to move you because you want to throw this. I'm going to look here. I'm going to throw the seed. And then he goes boom. You're like i fell for right. Everybody does because of the game on the field like it's real. It's not like a video game thing. These big places. Your responsibility stay. There got flow quickly so he basically says i'm baking sync with my shoes feels that leverage. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go right away the other way. I'm guessing the that's what happened. The he didn't meet you the herbert's cannon on top of everything else. I sal and. I talked about this on sunday in our pilot. I'm just you know all due respect to the chargers fans but they're basically like a team of that of city right now they're in l. a. is like the second team. He's just think. Like if you put this dude on the cowboys or the broncos or the bears these teams that have these generations of fans. They'd be absolutely losing their mind and here it's like maybe he's the gateway to the chargers having fans l. a. and people like my son but but it's just weird that this is an then burrow who has sadly went down last week. But i i. I felt like borough a lot of ways was was just as good and just as impressive as herbert is. The difference is the age. I think burroughs probably like three and a half years older but these really good not watch wants cult drugs. Yeah you watch drives just to get evaluations from branch. So you know right away. Pretty much quarterbacks. Yeah i'm told but I knew right away with her. I mean that was yeah. That might be the best fit in that dress. And i'll tell you right now that there's gonna be a lot of teams ahead of him. Look back into the economy missing said well. How about miami. And i'd like to but miami takes to over on top of the risk. But i got gotta be. I'll be honest. I've yet to see one or two so far each week. I'm studying game. we're done i had. I can in the first game and ryan quarterback of action special. Yeah is mahomes. The most talented quarterback ever on that saying is the best ever but does he bring the most of the table from a talent standpoint. It's hard to say 'cause or does like gimme a show. I would say jordan and lebron brought the most of the table but they also maximized it by how hard they work but they were just if you're just checking. What are the twenty things. I need from the best guy in the league. They probably checked the most boxes so with homes. If that's yeah. He checks so many boxes. It's hard to describe because he kinda has the vision in instincts. You know like a pig man. But like when i say that i mean like the vision ability to look off through these things as a little bit of an arm close to like aaron rodgers or Early yet but with far Back then people were under center lot more so the game was i. Don't say fast. But shotgun the game slows donald quarterbacks. Because you're not rush to get back to get. And that's why went to shock and i was like quarterback and fuel things better differently and so it's different of you put. I thought far quotas. I don't say it's slow in the pocket. But if you watched aaron rodgers ready to common the park when far started it was rushed back there to the six year kenwright rogers had can patrick laser calm and so he moves when he needs to moats but he could move you now whenever he can run for twenty in the playoff game i series ranford. Forty yard touchdown. Two guys miss tackle but he just checks so many boxes. It's hard to think that someone else's ever checked that many boxes. I meant though i feel the only thing that comes to my eyebrows. That like a brady these boxes your tunnel. He checks all will. I still agree where that tells you. What's that one that really has. That's fourteen point than everybody else do. There is one of those and it's like that box there. That just made those other four really not matter and less for well. The the thing with homes on top of everything else is just like that third nine play. Were you call the perfect. The two guys are chasing him. He's about to get sacked and then he just puts his jetskis on and on sunday runs for eleven yards. He was just like we played that perfectly. That's the fact that he has that piece Top of everything else is nuts. I think the quarterback play you know. It seems like we ebb and flow with this stuff. But i think. I liked the state of quarterbacks right now especially with rookie. Infusion we had in s- gone down the line. There's only like a few teams that are really screwed. Losing dak obviously wasn't great but But in general. I think like half the league has to be at least somewhat happy with their. Qb play this is this is probably the best collection of talent. You know there was one other timeframes. Probably two thousand seven to eleven or twelve game. You had like the older guys and the younger guys together ranked minnesota rogers. You had then year generations coming in yet. It was brady manning. But you got rothlisburger. Gradient peyton obviously far yet. Aaron rodgers was about to commend rivers. I two thousand eleven. They were like if you wanna river was and then you also had. Kurt warner probably in rothlisberger Probably guys hall of famers law aways and so this is probably the best collection of debt. You know that. I see since then. I think it's probably better because everyone learns from the before you just start to like be like how that guy do study it. And then the coaches study with that guy with pay manning figured out we. Tom brady figuring out other coaches shutting. What their systems doing in trying to implement it to make it hard on defenses and eventually start using and it makes life easier encore basketball too basketball ebbs and flows read now. The basque buzzer awesome. Talent stretch you know you look at the the three all nba teams and ten guys. That don't make really man. The league's got like thirty awesome guys are now. Sometimes that number could be twelve. Yeah it's funny when the quarterback like that. I know you haven't seen every team yet. Is there a defense. That's jumped out to you as a watch out for that team and cold weather january. That's gonna that's gonna be a bitch to play. Well feel like last year san francisco right away. It was like their four guys. That system was all say kansas city. Just win in that circle. I said this is going to be a game. I just can't understand how how but also have seen was really good on both sides of the ball and they're pretty close to winning civil marilyn. Yeah room forgets. Kansas city a come three games in the playoffs to win. How about the garoppolo bomb. If it's if it's a yard short or they go ahead with a minute half left. That's where like oh the soviet there'd be a dime right the chiefs. Are there any reid as homes have killed. Combination is and you know. I said this about radio said tom brady. You have the best quarterback in meets the best coach in. They're together they're going to win multiple championships because they're always going to be the most prepared. They're always have most answers and the guys overcome little things that other people can't and then they're going to always be the mixer awfully when just based on those two regardless of kind of people coming out and when you get really good people around you you win and go sixteen out and It was like popovich with dunkin' docking. Lebron you know where michael let's say but he's he's way up there in the class of people and that combination is going to be mixed every year to those two are get fifty wins every year at reading. Yes it's eleven wins every year unless something weird happens I know I know you frown on gambling. And you don't like emily. And all. But i first of all sound. Aside on sunday night mahomes was the mvp and he was plus one eighty heading into those games and our just like as long as he's mahomes for five more games that's a wrap. I don't do you see any other. Mvp candidate across the board. Like you could make a case. Maybe kyla murray could get hot down the stretch but other than that. I don't see it now. No homes unless you gets hurt which never seen and then the other thing that's going on this is right around the time everybody decides who's going to be in the super bowl but as we learn every year who decide never actually that's never actually the super bowl. Is there a kind of medium shot that you elect somebody in that seven two three six and four range like maybe maybe a ravens. Maybe the bucks May be buffalo. Maybe like we saw from tennessee. Did the game on sunday Is there is there kind of a mid range team that you're enamored with the division leaders you haven't thought runoff. Yeah got but afc. It's buffalo steelers tennessee's in a tie with indy. But i think india has the the thing and then the chiefs and then in the nfc. I mean throw the east out packers saints and i think it's the rams right now ramp. Maybe rams seahawks as the two teams that come to mind would be the cardinals he bills. Okay those are two teams that can get any team trouble in weighed in a one game. Sean mcdermott great coach for the bills. Josh allen has rare ability and he's still learning the game. But i think you'll see you you start. Seeing the flashes of how good he could be just learning and they're off and their offense. I think people jumped off on including myself and maybe look back and it's like a couple of bad weather games. There was one weird cove week. And maybe we shouldn't have been so eager to jump off that team jumps on-off effort game so silly general because sometimes a science came up with a great scene that day. That really made it very difficult to never start and you go back on it. Only play them again in six leagues that are in the playoffs. Your way more prepared because that same schemes. Not gonna work. So where do you go from that. And so the have him. Sometimes i mean we've seen like all we keep talking about patriots that many times do we but then for debt over the years. I mean i remember the kansas city years ago. Were they lost in man's touch on last drive and it was like others added like john. Forty the equipment three or four singles out with three more titles afteh so buffalo's twenty five to one tennessee's thirty one cardinals thirty two to one. I think to me cardinals and a buffalo the to dark horse teams. You know not their teams that have the quarterback can do it and have a defensive system that i think could give teams journal the thing with the cards so they play the pats is. That's a team. They should be the pats on ever front seven. It's gonna hurt cuyler in any way and if they're really good this we're at the point of the season where you he's gotta take care of business games like that win by ten go to the next game and fence because there is like. You're not go play bill belichick in all of sudden the ravens. That was an easy. Go win game two weeks ago. And and that's law academic which is apple. But you'll bell really did. I'll tell people like be very careful about this season saying that. He's not still bill. Belichick salmon brady. It's like these guys. They're not pretty good the mess they're gonna figure this thing out even if it's not this year the over time they're figuring well him beating. The ravens is ridiculous that he put you pull that a a game plan from the bronco nurse era and then he convinced god to have a monsoon during the fourth quarter. Why his best. Let's talk about golfer. The quick for you. Go you love golf. You watch constantly you fantasize about maybe being in the senior tour sunday now so okay better okay whatever. Dj finally wins the masters. Everyone's like he's pound for he's kinda the mahomes of golfing so macy's each checks the most boxes of all the gopher then you have kept guy who seemed like he was banged up this year year ago. It was like roy goes through kepco And then two years. Before that. I was up. Road goes through jordan speed. It just seems like the guy kind of changes year to year. Who's the guy for you right now. Well i would say based on your stay in there. This general like very rare times. Mike jordan win title. For what seventy seven years so you could be. The guy doesn't mean it's guaranteed success in your even patrick mahomes i think. Sometimes it's what happens when something like terry kill one of their diet up. He can do it. He's that good but all of a sudden mix everything way harder and teams pressure you now. They're not scared. That guy's touchdown yet and tom brady. Lost randy moss. Wes welker like when guys go down. Gronkowski matter. How good you are at the professional level because the game isn't as easy looks urine. You're europe ends. One tire woods. I would say. I don't think that we're gonna see that. Probably very soon. The combination of power vision touch softness in criminal putting. But i think you're right. Dustin johnson yes rare building people watch. I consider number watching urine riders. The proble when you're through ball and it was in practice. And i remember watching it. I turn to the cook. Sounds like you have never seen anybody data. And i was like. I can't believe that ball but that high that far with that effort was power and it was like that guys on. It's really hard to beat him in golf. Let's right and it's the same way. Dj's kinda one of those guys but the rest of it's like you can get injured. That's where you're talking about brooks homes has learned to guys it hurts. You know things happen. They did this happen sports. You never guaranteed tomorrow. I mean dan marino tomorrow for forty eight touchdowns as revere or whatever second year sir and he was incredible and he was the standard then too and he you went to the super bowl win win at anything joe montana. Obviously that's very difficult. I mean hungary's that game. But then after that dan marino like you talk any quarterback strolling up in that era. He was the guy that looked at he was like. Wow that's game rooms right now. Guaranteed well talk to a patriots fan. Who had to root against dan rea. No that absolutely petrified. Yeah i think that they with golf because it does change year to year right. Everybody's the guy and then something will happen and flips with more interesting to me is. There's always one guy who becomes the guy in a tournament. If he's like to back the fans are aware of it. Like fourth-round eight. Oh he eagled eight and there's always that one guy that the other guys are like oh shit that guys coming and that was what was so great about tiger even after his run basically ended in. Oh eight than all. This shit happened to him but he still was able to hear that persona of like the tiger shadow over those over those four threads where he could be five back three back in. You're still kind of aware of them. I feel like brexit that guy now even though he hasn't had you know a year remotely like witty. Add the previous two years but even that masters weekend i all of a sudden he was kind of lingering for seconds like here comes brooks so i i guess like the title would be the uh. Oh here comes blank guy. And i think that's brooks disagree no versus incredible for such a stretch. But he was saying what happens is like in professional sports. You gotta learn your body like all the stuff you to feel like in gulf the gulf oil. That's fine. It's not like your hands and your thought process do away. But it's like a quarterback who gets her can't quite wrong. Mike used to he used to doing it this way. The body doesn't react that way and that's why health matters is just learning how to get back to where it was but he just he has to go through the process. Like everybody else you know. It's this isn't like high school or to show up on somebody's design better than everybody really good. And if you're not your best it's hard to win. Guys were at their best. Because you know it just small margins between but brooks was able to eat that for such a long period of time and so people talk about confidence all that stuff and i'm like just demonstrated ability to yourself now. I've confidence strip. Because i know. I've been doing this every day on the range in the tournaments. I know and i know i know i know they. So it's like. I'm going to go do it. Would we get hurt. You come come back. you're late. Hold that when normally pull it in the front nine in the first round i quoted forty eighth hole deterrment and i know how to justice but now like all right let me go ahead and correct it a little easier conference. It's just a little bit and trump got more confident. You get confident. I going to show yourself. You shouldn't be captured. Go practice making one hundred percent. You want to eliminate laughs eliminate hit kander balls. Never certain left in the flag do now. You're gonna conflict demonstrated ability. So bruce is going through. Everybody does special athlete. You'll be fine. He's incredible are you pro bryson or anti bryson think. I'm pro bryson to. I get mad when people is kind of a villain. It's like why 'cause you say the shit out of the ball woods to stop fun not enough. There's a weird backlash him. That i don't totally understand when you're when you're doing something people are trying to copy you. You're doing something right professional level. It's very hard because there's a lot of people who have a lot of great teaching. It were very hard and If their livelihood it's all day you're studying in doing everything you hire a team around but you know precisely deserves credit for figuring something up and that requires patients practice ingenuity and also at the same time it requires you trust in it fully and all of a sudden after that it's like oh maybe we should all do that where you don't really want me knows acknowledged if you're a really a pga geier guys really good offer sick as a football player by not but if i beat a guy then i might ask you doing technique and so we start. Winning people want to know how come you haven't ended up in one of these goofy skins matches with the celebrity in the real golfer. And they go ahead. And everybody's mike like. How have you not done this yet. They asked a couple times. Just we thought a good answer. I just haven't been just having not ready yet. What are you afraid of. Life got kids. I only have so much time my hats. You realize how much fun sal. And i would have betting on you in some goofy celebrity skin's match way depriving us of this. Because you've that's i'm dying it. Who would you pair up with. Who would be your guy who would be your partner. So who do you take. That sow a real golfer. Who would you take brooks. No taking sal. Right isn't he. He's good you spent unit definitely know either. Okay now not. He doesn't check us. He checks airbags for now. I mean there's a lot of regard settling wise and just sit diplomatic to diplomatic answer from you. Alec point turning mass. What i you've done pebble beach and all that stuff right. Yeah i've seen you there with the best one do for as a celebrity kinda moonlighting in the stuff While i'm halfway a few pga tour events and so my goal is to take the next step and get growing there. But as far as the american centuries amazing you know in a lake tahoe new family. My voice loved it on there. So that's really enjoyable. But that's pretty much the only why plan slow. I'm gonna end on this speaking of boys so my son really got an a football league year ago and became obsessed with lt so we watched the football life on. Lt which is just like lt is like. Who's the best defensive. Wherever it's it's i'll tell you there's let's move on the next argument. So then he started watching all the football lives and they may made one about you. That was really good and he beat belatedly became a romo fan even though you're retired but they did a nice job of capturing your career and some of the ups and downs and all that stuff and he was he was really into it. Have you actually watch that or did you just do an interview. But you're one of those people who you don't want to watch it nine actually the time. I don't really watch a whole lot of stuff. But that what i did but i. I actually was excited about that one because it felt to me. It's one of those things where you're pass onto your kids and so i felt honored. Anybody would do that. You know in los angeles now. Itunes ombo but that one felt weirdly filipina. It just felt like a kick. We wanna do that me but it felt special and unique and i just thought about my kids and grandkids. I'm dead and gone more than ten years. They'll all be able to go back. And look at that in tennessee so i gave them time and i tried to be zionist as i could. I love the thought. They did a great job. My watch out exurban early. I'm glad you watch it. 'cause you know obviously when we created thirty for thirty. We weren't expecting that historical document aspect of it. And i remember like the fab. Five one did about jalen that like changed jason's life. He was this whole new generation of people who had no idea what that team was and watch set fab five and like belatedly became a cool team again and it got mentioned to him for the next ten years. So yeah but that's the thing if you do those correctly it's really cool and it's really cool to watch it with your kids. Your grandkids someday. All that stuff so anyway. I'm glad you watched it good seeing you. I'm glad you're well Hopefully you're right about brady. I would hate to see him. Go down the tubes. Were on a different team like this. He's gonna figure it out. I believe you great seeing you and congrats on all the cbs stuff. It's been really really fun. Watching you do the games and Keep it up. thanks thank you. Hey it's foot long season at subway to make it easy to make a good call on food so we're doing a little segment called bad call. Good call let's look at To the good and bad place from last week well this week's back call. Romeo coronel gone for two up. Seven sending the texans inadvertently in overtime That was a rare case. Where math just completely overtook Commonsense at the. That's what happened there. This week's good call. 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I'm taping this piece of the podcast on thanksgiving five thirty pacific time. It's been one of the worst thanksgiving football days. Ever if not the worst speak of anything that happened before. I was born but at least in my lifetime. This was the laziest one we started out with. Houston in detroit. It was a terrible game. Detroit obviously quit on their coach. Couple of weeks ago. He's to blow them out. That was game one game. Two was an nfc -ship on between dallas and washington. It was just a matter of who's going to screw up more. The winner was dallas. Antonio gibson was great if you had him in fantasy but dow's just blew that game in a bunch of different ways culminating in a fourth and ten fake punt that ended up being a long developing reverse sweep where the guy just ran right into the line. Where four guys where it was. Maybe the worst fake punt i've ever seen at least in the top five seven game two and then baltimore. Pittsburgh was supposed to be the third game that one gets postponed which we knew heading into today so we lost the only game that actually would have been fun and then rape before i'd tape this we find out that Lamar jackson reportedly has kobe. The ravens are in such trouble right now that they have shut down their facility. Nothing is going to happen at least until monday in that game is probably going to get postponed for. God knows how many days. So i took that pittsburgh to differ million dollar picks. I guess we're just gonna avoid those one of them one houston the other one lost dallas. If that doesn't happen this week. I guess one avoiding those You knew you knew the cova with football. You knew this was a high wire act and you knew at some point. There is going to be a reckoning and starting to feel like this week is the reckoning as the number surge everywhere as the government that we currently have seems completely oblivious to anything and as the cold weather is coming and it just feels like if sports reflect society and a bunch of different ways as we know it's definitely gonna reflect everything that's gone on society now and the numbers are surging. It makes sense that it's gonna really mess with the rest of the football season. Seventeen weeks season could see it getting pushed eighteen weeks. Maybe nineteen weeks. I could see them extending the playoffs to eight seeds per conference. Who knows sound going to cover all this on sunday. Love la more information then but it's depressing so you know here by million dollar picks up depressed. I one colts minus three against the titans. I just like the way the colts are plan now. Michael pittman the rookie receiver. I think is really added something to them and you throw in hilton. You throw in taylor. They have haven't explosiveness that as long as they're playing a team. That doesn't have a good defense and isn't harassing fill rivers. They can control the clock. Their defense is really good. With darius leonard back and i like the weather playing. I wasn't a big fan of them three weeks ago. But i like the way. They're playing now. i think they're better than tennessee. So i like the minus three their home. And i think they can Grab a foothold navy south. So that's one game cards minus one half against the patriots. This doesn't matter. I just like cuyler against doing front seven an ask the patriots Teams have just kind of figured out that they're going to try to run the ball all the time and they're just stacking the line making cam newton throw at the cards more firepower. The nfc we's west is way better than the fcc and like the cards minus one half mark that one down. Also markdown. panthers push three and a half against the vikings. The vikings lost douse last week. You watched out today. Dallas is terrible right. Well why would you like the vikings. This line feels like it should be panthers plus two and a half like i'm getting a free point and i just think the panthers are a well coached. You know if you're if you have a tournament all the bad teams. This is probably the most professional bad team. Also teddy bridgewater plays we got a little teddy bridgewater homecoming thing in minnesota which can't be Camping either so you got that last one. Vegas minus three against the falcons. Vegas is a playoff team. They they've been impressive enough times and they have enough youth they They have enough explosiveness. They're good on both sides of the ball. And i've just been impressed by them. What's funny is their schedule has been brutal. And it's about to get a lot easier so if your view if you've liked what you've seen from big as you really are going to start liking it now because now they're about to play some bad teams. I one is atlanta. I just think they're better. And i think atlanta gets weirdly favored In the bedding community. Just because they're allegedly explosive and yet every week they're disappointing basically so mark that one down to teases for you one is the seahawks with the saints. Seahawks plan film monday night saints in denver honesty denver when two zero. I just think these are two superior teams buying it very teams during point of the season when you fuck around anymore so seahawks saints together. Both of them just to win by half point. Mark that one down and then the other teams i have is a trevor lawrence tease. I just wanna go against the jets. Jaguars jaguars have not only thrown away. The season they've brought him. Mike glennon to really try to throw away this season. So they're playing. The browns and the dolphins are playing the jets and the jets and jaguars a death match to try to get trevor lawrence so when our profit from this teased the dolphins down to one tease the browns down. There have point the browns. Worry me a little bit. Just because they're they're a little banged up. They've had some kobe stuff. And you know they're not playing with a full deck right now. I'm not sure it's gonna matter. I think they're just gonna run the ball. Make leonard will do the rest. So that is my trevor lawrence. Tees and i might do that the rest of the way. Just go against a jets in the jags together in the same parlor. T mark that one down and then finally a four team or three to one odds Fourteen tease seahawks saints dolphins browns. Everybody goes down to a half point except the dolphins who goes down to a point so three to one odds mark that went down. Longchamps parlay chargers plus one ninety in buffalo. And you figure if they win it'll be because their offense is awesome. Herbert does herbert stuff and and keep amending his rookie of the year claims. And it's just a high scoring game really fun old school. Afl type game the over fifty two and a half. I wanna parlay those together charges plus one ninety over fifty two and a half figuring at the chargers. They went to high scoring game plus four thirty three mark. That one down as well so here are million dollar. Picks for the rest of week. Twelve colts minus three over the titans hundred fifty k. Cards one and a half over the past one hundred fifty k. Panthers plus three and a half at minnesota hundred and fifty k vegas minus three at atlanta hawks and fifty k. To teasers dolphins down to one brownstown to a point one hundred k. seahawks and saints both down or half point one hundred k. In those teases both sides have to win and then fifty k. on a three to one t seahawks saints. Dolphins browns were thrown all them together. So all four of those win. I will win one hundred two hundred three hundred fifty great then launch parlay the week fifty k on the chargers plus one ninety with the over of fifty two and a half that is plus for thirty three. We are down up. Sorry we are up one hundred seventy seven cave for this season. i guess voiding those two steelers bats. Good luck to the ravens copious. Recover from just a horrendous thanksgiving football day but hope you enjoyed senior family. Hope you enjoyed eating hope estate safe where it take a break. And then we're going to get to jim. Miller support from this episode comes from infinity. Make your car. Buying experience as convenient as it is luxurious. During the infinity winter sales event with infinity now from purchasing and leasing offered online test without going to a dealership. Getting your service from anywhere with pick up and drop offs that come to you infinity. Let's each aspect of the process beyond your terms. Pretty nice right shot by service. The way you want without sacrificing the type of luxury that's made to fit you and your lifestyle. Infinity now experienced a new way to buy an infiniti at shop. Infinity now dot com available at participating infinity retailers. All right. jim miller's here he wrote up books on snl on espn. Ncaa has got one coming on hbo next year. And he's been on this podcast before you text me like three weeks ago two weeks ago. Whatever and you're like did you see the belushi duck and on my way that's going to be good and you're like you gotta watch so it came out on showtime i watched it on sunday night and then i watched it again. Yesterday i watched it twice. I'm like the all-time belushi guy. And i feel like i. It was direct jay cutler. I think they did a really good job. I learned a lot and juvenile. Just gonna talk about the dock. Were you surprised it was this good. Hell i mean because there is. There's no way anyone could understand how good it could be. Because judy was sitting on so much. You know i think disdain is. I mean you have to go back to win woodward rewired and everybody i mean. It was such a polarizing awful thing for so many people can adapt point. Everybody was trying to put toothpaste back in the tube can say look. We gotta own narrative who john really was at all three and sixty degrees of who he was. But it's been talked about for so long and just had no idea. I mean look i think. Nbc cancern somebody light but as somebody who worked on two volumes of the book. I just sat there with my jong. Ground the letters. Some of the recordings that we didn't even know existed Obviously some of the footage. It's all it's just. It's just beautiful so for people listening. Judy is baluchis. Widow by the way For people listening eddie's my favorite guy ever for favourite comic about time and belushi was second and the reason. I fell in love with early in the first place was when they started showing the greatest hits on whatever night that was when they would take the condensed half hours or hours than they were from the first four years so right around season for their start showing those in primetime. And if you're a little kid you just gravitated to belushi. You're like who's this guy and at that same time. Animal houses coming out. He's on covers and stuff and he was just as forced to nature. And i remember i it one of the time. I was able to stay up and got to see him as as the Incredible hulk in the cater season or they showed the replay whatever and it was just him as the hulk. he clears out the bathroom. And you're just like. I disguise my favorite guy ever. I can't believe this person exists. So i was i went to i saw movies in the theater. And then i remember buying wired. I remember buying the saturday night live book that came out maybe two years after which seems like it was little affected by how divisive wired was. And then you did the to oral histories and at some point as you said. The belushi side tried to own the narrative because the wired thing went so badly. And that's why. I never thought we'd get this documentary. Certainly been. How many years has it been floating around than idea at least five or six right. Yeah but you have to really go back to wired where people started to talk to judy belushi and say to her this. You know we can't let this be the final word and it was just very interesting because i she got remarried and she didn't want to be delving into a project at a respect to her husband. Our second husband like that immersed in the world at her first husband and then she got divorced. And i think she just came to the conclusion that she needed to do this. And thank god she did because I was stunned by the by by how much i d. I didn't realize for instance. A lot of people didn't realize how many nodes in letters he wrote. I mean thank god by the way email sucks. It's like it's so great to go back to when people really communicated on paper and to see his handwriting bill hader. Does you know the the reeds on his on. His letters and bill is perfect is a perfect human being and he does a great job with that and so the the whole combination of everything is just. It's literally breathtaking. All right so let's go backwards to wired. Because just to put that in context belushi dies march eighty two and it's the combination of somewhere between six and eight years of him lead in a really hard life and him spiraling out of control. One of the things that they really didn't have back there was rehab centers interventions and. I think you ordered. Betty ford opened the year. John right and you also had you know. This is an epidemic this drug in hollywood and sports and comedy music. You name it. A lot of people are just not realizing how dangerous it is so it's hard for some of them to intervene when there are also using a party and stuff like that so he dies. Everyone's bamdad is only thirty. Three years old and judy his widow brings woodward in who at that point. Is you know probably the most famous investigative reporter. Hey really you know. I want you to find out what happened here. And she thinks it's gonna be news stories. He has brightness book and everybody was blindsided and actually read the first three hundred pages of the book after. I watched the documentary again. Because i had him ipad. He's got everybody in that book he'd like spielberg's interviewed he every. Snl person is interviewed different actors. He talks to you. Know robin williams and i think people thought because it was woodward it was going to be this on level book and as al franken pointed out years later the book was the equivalent of reading somebody. Who wrote this account of your life and college called puked and it was just every story was about how you party too much threw up and it missed all the nuances of why all these people loved him and not even the nuances missed everything. So as you were doing ural history. There was still that residue of. I don't trust to to handle the john legacy. How did you handle that. Usually ipe ads begging. But i think also i think being keenly aware of the fact that there was a lot to tell that had been told before and i think that appeal to people certainly with aykroyd ins and and and others because they didn't want to be the final word they didn't want that to be what an entire generation remember about john. Belushi i mean the there are three hundred and sixty degrees of this guy. He can be a john I mean by the whole point is just can't cake ninety degrees or forty five degrees at a and then run with and make that you know be the defining characteristics and was and i think that's one of the great things color does here. Which is we understand the dark side. We understand the lights out. But it's such a. It's such a beautiful combination of everything that john belushi was. Yeah it definitely doesn't shy away from some of the drug stuff and especially Including mention heroin right but they don't the one one of the things i appreciate. It was it didn't even mention who was with him when he died and he was with that lady kathy smith who was really about as low as can we say one thing about the ending about the guests. Yeah this is so well done it studying. I don't know if you remember by you. And you can see maybe just obsessed with you can tell by the foliage that you're right outside the womb on all of a sudden he gets this tracking shot of this guy. We don't even know who the guy is is just a guy and he's walking right to us and so you can't help but wonder why are we talking wise sky in the center of the shot and then the guy comes towards us in makes this left hand turn and on the back of his jacket ec coroner yep and it just like it to shake you. I mean it's such beautiful editing and it's you don't need any voiceover you don't eat anything you just. He does such a wonderful job with footage. Well and the other thing. I saw i had jim belushi on a couple of months ago and i i could have easily started like by saying your brothers one of my favorite people of all time i didn't and he. He mentioned his brother a couple times. Organically and then near the second half of the pod we kind of eased into it a little bit but i. I didn't want him to feel like. I'm i just wanted to get stores you brother out but the thing that struck me was. He really liked talking about his brother. And i think that's the recurring theme of all those people from now that the wired was thirty five thirty six years ago I think they think they're okay with talking. About what a special guy he was in. Yeah he had some demons But for the most part they had never met anybody like before said said. I think that's the difference with him and other comics usually comics are like that jim carey side rate. Were just kinda really super weird and quirky or they're like sandler just an awesome guy just has his dudes. Everybody loves them or people like that. Or like eddie were they. Just they close off everyone by the age twenty four and they have their inner circle. And that's it. Everybody shut out. Belushi like belong to everybody and i. I don't know if there was have has been another comic like that. Can you think of anybody. It's tough because he is so exceptional and the other thing is and it shows itself in saturday night live and animal house and to a degree. Blues brother's a lot of connex. Are they go on stage. I mean eddie onstage. You just can't take your eyes off of him. He's fantastic robin williams. Belushi is like the leader of the pack. He's the alpha male and he is in fact he is threatened and he doesn't dismiss the idea of people around him. He's always had people around him. He had people around him back in high school and college. And so as you know chevy starts to wane and ultimately leaves as the now and john becomes as one says the alpha male is so easy to see everybody around and then of course if you look at the script of animal house. The shootings You're not going to say bluto is to break breakout guy. You're not going to say on my gosh. Whoever gets to play blue karski is. He's gold in this moment on. It was the forest of his expressions his eyebrows. his way he deals with. You know an entourage and gates and everybody. I mean only on the stairs. Stephen bishop is that is that singular baluchi moment the rest of his like. He's getting he's trying to cheer people up he's trying to be. That's bad boy. He's it's the way he interacts. I think is singular for connick. How much belushi material did you have. When you did your book nine using did you have. You must have had so much more than you actually use right. Yeah that's that is the data and it was the first time doing the history. So i have to say that. That was the little making Because people particularly in the course of interview then they'll say you know you can't use by and then it was just like you know the most incredible story i mean it happens on every book by particularly belushi It was just there was just a lot of people said but that could be and it was. Frustrating are breaking but It our mean you've got obviously gotta pay attention and go along with the other thing about him on. Snl you know the relationship. He had with accurate. And the fact that two stars were the two dominant guys on the show but also closed. That's never happened again on the show. How can we talk about dan. Ackroyd for a second because lord of the things that this documentary does and people have known for decades. But this is this is a good man. Yeah i mean he's he's super talented but remember a no point. While belushi becomes a real big star built these acting now is jealous bidder. How many times have we seen that. I mean by god you got to go back to lewis and martin for that kind of bitterness and jealousy. There's nothing daniel like that is always reduc canadian. If scenario writing ghostbusters for john young. John's going through this and he never says a negative word for about and i mean even blues brothers. I mean it's obviously a buddy movie but ackroyd at such a low level of ego in paranoia. That he's just letting belushi take whatever space belushi needs. And i just think dan ackroyd doesn't get enough credit for being. I mean. obviously he's incredibly talented. He's just like incredibly you and being. Yeah and the ghostbusters is a pretty sizable. What if right. 'cause it belushi if they had the whole rehab system in place he clearly is in rehab at that point. You know on the other hand they tried. You covered this new book. They tried with chris farley. How many rehab stints did he have ten at some point. It just does people. Maybe it wouldn't taken with belushi. I dunno i mean there was rehab before the betty ford center and there were ways in which people in the i mean the studios in the nineteen forties. Used to send there's starlets or stars. Two places to try out here to take care. But i think that a you have to be open to be have to go through it. I mean it's all complex subculture in obvious any chris. Farley had many attempts ironic that chris farley. Got to saturday night live when i think he wanted to do was try on the police wardrobe and then wound up dying at the same age well and they've kept referencing it Do you wanna end up like belushi. Like we'd always your idol but you don't have to actually end up like him you think about like if if belushi somehow gets through it ghostbusters. I would assume it would have been the bill. Murray part right for. I think it would have been at had. Been the part because that was the funniest part in the movie. Yeah but i think it would have just been very different extinct. According to dan. I think he said before though. I mean obviously when you're writing for john it's not like anybody can just come in even billy's role i think was measured compared to what baluchi would have done around ghosts and in that outfit and else I'm not. I think that there was probably some changes but yeah i would have been narrow. Well i think you know the most about the all snow history of anyone. I've met but i'm probably a close second. There were a couple things in there. That i didn't know like for instance. They showed that video of when blue. She's away any sent the video back to lorne with all the girls in the pool about. Sarah can't be there and learn ended up not using. I remember reading the story in the books. I didn't know the video existed. And they fuck. It unleashed. video is unbelievable and judy was like okay. I mean that video was startling I'm so many different levels i mean. Obviously it was a kind of a certain statement about his version of marriage at that time But also i think it was. He wasn't aware it wasn't aware of the optics. And i think warren correctly points out. We we can't put this on it. We can't do this. This is crazy and that's one of those things about michael's he bends what he doesn't break. He has done a lot of accommodating By man something like that. The other thing in in the dock was wing. Belushi is sick and the doctor says. He's afraid that if he goes on him by laurence says what are the percentages and the doctor says. well i think it's fifty fifty and lawrence is basically. I can live with that right. That that is a sign of lorne michaels. They rarely people rarely get to see. Well you know all the oldest and are on peacock now anything that has any music the sketches and in there but for the most part the bones of every show is in so that that episode when they thought belushi. My di was that. When kate jackson hosted and you can just go watch it on peacock like that opening scene is there and belushi up until when they said all right ready action but they don't know zemun coherent enough to be on stage. So it's really weird that you know when you were doing your book and even way back when the when hill and y grad did their book in the mid eighties like they're they're just diving into the library of the stuff and we're kind of just trust in the raiders. Take that this is what happened. It's weird that we can actually go and just watch this stuff now right. I know that would have been very uncle when i was doing the book. But the truth is that ad there were after time-to-time guest host who interviewed end said it was like ten thirty or something and they they ran. The lawrenson blew passed out. We're gonna have to change. That open schedule were to and you know more times than not. They're like don't worry he'll he'll be fine and that was also part of the reason. Why like that's strong albanian stock. Nobody thought even even though he was doing drugs and everybody was worried about him they. They couldn't see him of coming You know because he was he always got up. And he always prevailed I think it was. There was one note that were judy shows that she says she was afraid when he went to la. She couldn't go with that he might die. That was that was another incredibly. Poignant moment in the dock they cut. They covered the stuff about smoking. The bodyguard which was always a fascinating. Belushi wrinkle where he just basically they were paying this guy to basically protect him from himself which is A rarity but the guys smokey worked firm and just over and over again was was thwarting. All these people i mean. One of the things look wired i. I wish he'd read the book differently in and he did a bad job only capturing one side of baluchi but if you read that book now it's a pretty interesting stabbed shot of how bad cocaine was in l. a. in that aaron. I think that's kind of what woodward became more fascinated by. Was this whole this whole community. Were basically everybody was doing drugs and nobody could help themselves. And basically people were losing their minds. And i don't know if that's inaccurate. No i mean. Look robin williams. I mean look. The list is long. But i think maybe it's instructive to just point out for a second. Here's a guy that when you thirty as the number one movie number one out on number one show and so people might think why does he meet coke and what is but the truth is that you know. Sometimes you you you. You can't get away from yourself. And for a good part of his life. And i think the doctors some of that john was. There was a dark part of his of his being and he is sometimes insecure and sometimes depressed in sometimes unable to be who we think of miss being and that's part of the port of entry for the druk and right i mean it's just so weird because so many people in hollywood. Why would he me everything. But that's you know the the demographics did never explain. Well there's some good stuff in the woodward book about that. Ironically 'cause judy was giving woodward some of the letters and stuff and it was the same thing in the documentary. Belushi seemed like he had a lot of trouble kind of understanding what was what had happened to his life. Where you're this dude. Who's in second city near lemmings. And you're trying to work your way up and then you're on this this tv show that all the sudden becomes the most important. Tv show for anybody under thirty. You know and you're getting watched by twenty million people. Then you're an animal house and now you're in the biggest movie and now you're in blues brothers and distributors had to be a musician i ran stage and i think that's why or lead with that Concert of nineteen seventy-eight. A belushi was seven thousand fans singing with his buddy. Because it's kinda like all right. I've checked every box. And i still don't feel great now. What and that's usually what happens to people who were on top who kind of self-destruct where they thought it was going to feel differently and it doesn't that old cliche about when the lord wants to punish you answers your prayers. When i was in each those seven people that first season when probably hit the feather six show they started getting noticed walking down the street in new york and i remember lorraine newman. That's just totally. i mean. That just blew them when they were prepared for gil terrified by like she would like run hiding people come up at strangers and sometimes you don't even know if they're going to be like attacking you or their friend or you don't even know and there wasn't a lot of training back then and certainly they were just walking around the streets in new york and hanging out and everything else and so i think it's a lot to get used to mean we see with athletes for sure and And rockstars and people like this. It really was. It was on the cover news. Mean this is this is he was the guy he owns the culture and and i think that it wasn't as easy for mesh people might imagine. Yeah it's a different level of fame back then if you're on a hit tv show it's twenty twenty five billion a week you know. It's basically a super bowl audience and and you also had less people you know. And he had less people at tv. So the you had this outsize importance than a movie like animal house when that hits you know it makes three hundred billion or whatever made but now it'd be like if it made three three billion you know and everybody went to see it but the other thing is in this happens a lot about what was going on his thirtieth birthday so all the success that he has and then you decide to do continental divide or neighbors. And it's not. I mean not every movie. It's going to be his gigantic animal house or even as fun and basically great as blues brothers. But boy if you do something. Audience doesn't like it. Then you have to deal with that and i think that was hard as well i saw neighbors must have been twelve and it was so disappointed in even as at age. Twelve was like why. Why didn't they switch roles. Why wasn't belushi the crazy guy. But that was part of what attracted the movies. I know we're going to go against the stereotypes and meanwhile that was a catastrophic decision. Well yeah i. I'm glad that this this exists. I think sometimes bone. I just talked about it. Actually because he had that football life documentary that i thought was a good snapshot career. Sometimes if you do these documentaries you know then they. They live on the same way. A book does. And i feel like this. The belushi thing. We needed something like this. It finally happened. I think so. And i feel really sorry for anybody else. Who's been planning to do it. Belushi dot because. I don't think they left a lot of meat on the bone. I think for the first time for the first time between okay. If you want to include any of the books have been written. But i think now people can generally have a real understanding of john. Belushi was for better for worse. And more importantly why people like judy. Belushi and dan aykroyd and others were so dedicated to women so loyal to him for for so long because there was something just beyond agonizing. It's compelling about him that you just you just couldn't get him out of your system and even beyond the inner circle people people his other friends like guys like tim cazar renske. There is like another there. Another few dozen people who like just were ferociously defending his memory. And the wire thing. There's never really been anything like that wired book where hollywood like literally revolted against that book and then when they made the movie with michael chiklis. It was michael. Chiklis was on the outs of bollywood for seven years after because he played baluchi. Helga about bad fudan. Small portions goddamn. We're gonna we're gonna take this book we're gonna make it. A movie is like wow. That was that was brutal. That was that that no ching chance by. I'm glad this existed in. And i thought they did at. Who really cares about this stuff. I thought they hit all the right notes before we go though says. Snl had Jim carey playing biden for five weeks there and it became pretty clear after week one that this was not a good idea and they said they committed to it. That kept going with it. I don't know what version abide in that was it got slightly better by the fifth episode but never really worked What what was your take as the ultimate snl followers slash Chronicler watching this unfold. Look it was a very specific choice. I think there's two things which is one you start to realize. Oh i guess there was anybody on the cast that could step up to the role and for many many years decades in fact they're always was so you look outside and you think oh my gosh. We're going to be if he wants to do it. Can we really turn down the star quality of jim carey at a data point. It's a very specific choice. And it was a physical it was it was just a physical physical on impersonation and the thing that i think the reason why. I don't think it worked perfectly in terms of snl. History is because every rate presidential impression always had there was a physical component but it was had another layer. Win like phil. Hartmann is clinton goes into mcdonald's and starts eating everybody's burger graph. It's telling telling you something else about that when we will ferrell was doing. W you know people always arguing is a good for w or is it bad while some people thought it makes them out to be like a guy he have a beer with you know but like the word. Strategic and all that stuff there's always multidimensional understanding and it took you into a different kind of level like real political satire and whiz. Go back to chevy chase with ford. That he didn't look anything like him. But it was all the physical stuff and now that but ford was a it was a great football player. They just you know. I mean he was falling all over the place but they but it stuck you know it it it stock and i think that the thing that carry didn't do was he didn't give us another dimension of joe biden is or who could be or anything else and so i think that's one of the reasons why it didn't work. Yeah it was too bad. I mean you. And i've we've we've talked about this in the past but to not have a cast member playing either of the presidential candidates to me is just. It's a very strange time for the show and they made me think like even when you see the belushi thing now that that the cast was everything for the show the guest host would come in with the cast resin everything a lot of the times especially in the first ten years the opening segment would always be cast members. Or you know playing off each other. They'd bring internal stuff onto thing they they were always pushing the cast and it was cast cast. And now it's like they. The show seems like it's drifted toward the most important people on the show or the celebrities that drifts through the orbit and the cast is marginalized. And i don't know whether it's because lauren doesn't believe in the cast members he has or whether the show is just become you know like almost like addicted to celebrity which is really weird because it should be paired in these people overlake. Relying on them for the sketches. I don't get it right. I mean it's it's that's that's the big question because look it's not a small cast lead. Why no they've like fourteen people. It's a big cast and you would think that it's probably a decision that they made that they'd like this stunt casting and these star quality to give some lift but it's not the way has been for for from basically the majority of the shows history but by the way. How are you going to build the the next generation of stars. If you're not giving them the most important parts on your show. That's the other part i don't get like will farrell. You think back ninety five. He was forced to nature right like that was going to happen for him. But there's been other people where you know like hartmann hartmann was the glue guy. Everybody kinda loved them. But i don't feel like he really vaulted next level until the clinton stuff and that was what really nail them. A pharaoh became a bigger star. Doing w in two thousand. And even like norm macdonald bob dole it that elevated him up a level and i think that's the piece they've missed like not having a cast member playing trump though last four years is just inexplicable to me and growing where the biden thing. Even if you were doing a weekend at bernie's thing with biden where he just comes on and he's got two guys dressed like carthy and the other guy next to him and they're just kinda holding biden up. And but i i i mean. How's it going back to dan. Ackroyd playing richard. Nixon and jimmy carter. There was always that other level that he was telling us something about the person. And sometimes it was like a de-factor ranting of that person. It was like that's how they that's how the country started to see that person because that was just so well done. Remember one of the best ones i ever did. Go way way back was when Acrobats jimmy carter and he's taking calls in the one guys like he was took bad acid or something it is what do i do. And he's like. Oh do you have any allman brothers and carter's like walking them through how to come off an acid trip. It's ridiculous it never happened but that was the point it was it was what you say about. Take the person then. Add the the funny layer to it and now you got something. That's what they lost with us. You remember the betsy syndrome. One of the longest sketches in. snl history. what year was that i think seven december seventy eight. Oh the china syndrome rebuffs. Yeah yeah and we're carter becomes the amazing colossal president but there is so many jimmy carter lines in there. That are just alle roy. I mean they're just so funny and there's no telling and they're just makes you think of gartner a different way. That's it did napa Well as i wonder. If you're as sonora now this is a country that has lost its sense of humor for variety reasons in a bunch of different ways and a lot of the stuff that you would paired in our push buttons with. I think people are afraid to do it. Like even think back to the belushi era and stuff like the cloudy claudine lingerie scheme. Petitional your She's another scares accidentally shot by cloudy lunch. And it's like. I don't feel like the show would do that. Now people back. Hey clotting lage's husband died like that's that's not cool you get. You should apologize comedy. In that era this is a really rough time. I mean i was just reading about beep for the book and you couldn't do veep now. I mean you want to compete with what's going on now. You can't even make it up. I mean ninety percent of what happens in the political sphere for over the last four years. You put in a script the studio and send it back and say oh. Cut it on your pushing too far. You're it's now it's not realistic. Now you've gotten too crazy but there. It is every day on our. You know our on our sets on our in our timeline. So i i think it's really difficult and they have to figure that out They they have to figure that over starting january. Yeah i'm not even sure if they had a breakout star he you know. Maybe it's not this year but next year is you have like the will a moment or heart men or whatever like what would what would that person be doing to break out. Because i think it's probably like the kate mckinnon way of just like you're playing these crazy characters doing it that way but in terms of like being cultural critics which i think was such an important piece of snl for so many years you gotta be willing to take the hits with it. You've got to be willing to kind of if you're going to push the line you're gonna go over line every once in a while. You gotta be ready to take the backlash for that. And i'm not sure the shows ready for the backlash was stuff. Which which means that. You're gonna make choices. The history of snl reads like an ekg and there have been times land. You know eighty-five canady in eighty five years where people thought it was away and somehow they come back and i think that i think that the biden administration is going to be a fresh start for the show and they got a to different level and by the way. I missed reoccurring sketches. You know. I think used to be so much of the show. I saw history. We had you know whether it's like. The lagers are going back to belushi and sarah different exams. A million and we don't have those anymore. And i think that that's going to be something that i think would be fun as well. Well here's the thing with us. No you made the key point. It's it's always gonna come back. And i'm sure i i would always bet on this show finding its stride and figuring it out figuring out the landscape. I am amazed that nobody's trying to challenge them over the years howard stern. I'm saying right now. That netflix has just looked at this. And crunch some algorithm and said they k- we should just go after these dudes and come up with the friday show. We can push the envelope in a way that maybe they can't. But i think i've said this to you for the last four years it's ever happening born luggage i think. Sml's on emission. Right now right. You got four more years to the fiftieth anniversary. I fully expect lauren to stay on. I think that they're going to for that. I think that they're going to do everything they can. But i do think things that we're talking about now are gonna be essential to to that level job thing for me and then we'll go is just like trust your cast members if you hired especially if you're going to have a fourteen person casts Let them cook. Let the chefs get the kitchen. Let try to build some new stars like you can't just rely on these cameras. That's the thing that drives me nuts. Anyway alright. Yeah oh i meant to ask you by the way. 'cause i was arguing about somebody. This do you think keenan could host a late night show. Kim can do anything i think. He's i think he's a dark horse because i'm watching. This found the foul got rid of another executive producer. And i know they renewed them for a year but at some point If that show doesn't rebound we know with late night right at when you least expect it and i i feel like keenan could host. One of those shows he likes would be moving over before it went to anybody. I i assume. Seth was gonna move up. I'm saying like for if you talk about somebody to eleven thirty. Twelve thirty landscape as is something in the wings or whatever i could see canaan and being a guy i would say if i were kenyans manager. That's kind like portugal and forty because his physicality is ability to earn impersonations. I mean it would have to gravitate into almost like a composite top slash schedule or something in order to take advantage of of all that he does. But maybe that's maybe that's how you win though you you know. Maybe that's the new formula but he. He's so good at that and he has saved so many shows and there are so many sketches where it's kind of average in just his performance is i mean just otherworldly. I'm buying keenan stock. I think something happens with them. Because i i just like if he started his show out. Give the first episode of chance. 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Midterm Elections 2018: Continuous Coverage

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

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Midterm Elections 2018: Continuous Coverage

"Giardi, rob? With the destiny of America is always safer in the hands of the people then in the conference rooms any elite. They are not about hate farm wealth up hatred. We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought Orleans on by the military industrial complex, Oma Jarrai, rob hall with sales. I think eight. It is Tuesday November six now later in the day. Then it was earlier today. This is. Special coverage. Special coverage. Midterm elections. Twenty eighteen. Live. Polls already closed in Indiana and. Well, indiana. And soon to be other places Kentucky where now where did I put my gun enlists son of a bitch? All right voted. We're ready. We're ready. We have an enormous amount of alcohol in the studio, we are prepared for things to go south to or. North and in studio, we already have our first guest. Nomi console. Welcome to the program. Thank you. Sam says exciting now Michael is here, and in Brendon is here, and Matt and Jamie is available in Chapo trap house, apparently, and we're going to have others. Coming onto the program within within hours or moments, and I should say, let's just start with this notion of it going north or south, obviously, I'm I'm being metaphorical. But I just saw something that I thought was pretty stunning. And know me I wanna get your take on this. I think Michael you heard it to Chuck Todd was on MSNBC. Saying that. Because of the performance of Gillam and of Stacey Abrams, presumably just going over polls. Right. But they have polls internally they know stuff now that they're not telling us they may be right there may be wrong. We don't know. But but there's two things about that one. He's started saying that maybe the lesson between these folks and Beto is. Wow. In Kentucky six is. Now. Aiming McGrath is twenty points with sixty percent in twenty away. I'm sorry. That may have just been county. Okay. That was just a county because if that ended up being the actual guns that would be that would be crazy. So. Counties. Sorry, guys. Yeah. Exactly. We're going to break down. But Chuck Todd said, maybe this is a lesson for Democrats, maybe say, maybe he said this could be a lesson for Democrats of if. Going forward in the south and the two things struck me one is maybe you know, they don't go out on a limb. Saying that if they think they have data that says gillen's going to lose Abrahams gonna lose beta roots going to lose they may have data in there that suggests that they think they're going to win. But so that is interesting to me. But what's also interesting to me that Chuck Todd is saying. Democrats in the south your path may be to the left and well yes God. It's like they're finally figuring out that people want some damn healthcare. Well, yeah. But it's it's stunning to me the Todd of all people coming to this Clive talking with people like, you know, Noah Changa, Ben Dixon, for years have said the future of the southern Democratic Party with if you fused together, the white people in the south that will still vote democratic with the fact that is a broad multiracial coalition. The southern Democratic Party goes from being the conservative dregs of the party to actually potentially more left than the rest of the country. All right. So we have our first Jennifer Weston. We just pick up. Chatter outcomes. Now, that's not a huge surprise. There was a lot of sense that Comstock was in trouble. But the Leonard fifty six percent and. You know, it's hard to say whether or not that is as devastating appears right now. But if those numbers hold that's crazy. Seventy three percent in Florida. Oh, that's Palm Beach county doing gonna get you could change the color. It's it's the black. That's was confused. It really is. But that's not terribly surprising in those counties. That's where Gilmore got a really rounded up. But he is right now out pacing. Well Clinton, but not so much in Miami Dade. So it's it's too early to tell it's too early to tell at this point. Down three points yet. That's about this though, is it. I don't know when polls closed in Florida, but polls closing New York. Police our stay open. Yeah. They shouldn't even be doing your store. Right. Well, I think they should just sit on their you like, we don't know stay online tuned. I mean, I think there's some truth to that. I don't think that there is any at least in this election. I don't get the sense that there are people in New York City or anywhere for that matter going like I'm watching MSNBC right now. But I think I'm gonna hold back. Like, this is my theory is that if anybody turns on MSNBC, they're already voted voted or they're already voting if they know the names of Steve Kornacki their voting that's about right east village. Steve grimace spend my night with Steve Kerr Naqui, not actually. You have to do a trade off between getting in your vote or missing a Chris Matthews. Kennedy allergy that I mean, that's. That's the real. So the good news is Tim Kaine has one Bernie Sanders is one. I'm stocked. Not terribly surprising. Wasn't there? Some like I feel you would notice down just a little bit. Wasn't there? Some like dot like really really intense Hillary stands that. We're talking about going over Mont to challenge burning Algiere down. Oh, yes. Sexual scandal or something he had a meat you scandal? Okay about that. I thought it was actually a Hillary staffer that wanted to ready for Hillary ready in owner. He was women for Hillary men. Hillary men one of the weirdo. Clearing up. I'm on the L Donald began maths, bats. You know, I had wondered why did not hear so much from him? There's just voices that just seem to have disappeared from my life in some way and forgot about them the Bank accounts dry it happened. So art so Nomi first off speaking of running. I don't know if you're aware of this. You are Michael Yara. What's going on already already? Michaels are the county's look good. So no me you are a candidate. I'm not sure if you're wear of this, but you are a candidate for public, advocate and New York City. What is the public advocate? So the public this perfect timing because for the rest of the night, people are going to be paying attention to the polls. I might as well get it in while. I'm while I'm here. The public advocate of New York is a position that is it came out of a real estate scandal. It they've only been four public advocates at it. It's essentially a position that's the watchdog of New York City it overseas. The city council overseas is a check on on the mayor's office and other agencies Serta push the narrative and the platform for the people of New York. I don't know if it's necessarily been used with full capacity in the past. But I think every single public advocate. We've had there's been four have used it in their own way. I'm hoping in this day and age with real estate, really creating the income inequality in the city that's worse than anywhere else in the country. The worst point in history that I will be a watchdog for the people. The only person in the race. As of now, I'm possibly into the future who doesn't take real estate money has never taken real estate money and his unafraid and untethered any political machine. So I mean, my understanding is that that is one of those positions where you can make of it what it is a function of the person more. So maybe than any other position certainly in municipal government. I mean, there was an argument zephyr, teach out was going to do something with the office, the state AG's office that may be pushed the boundaries of where it's been or hasn't been in about thirty or forty years this new position, and it's going to involve taking on a lot of powerful people. I've seen you get into fights with the with a different people, regardless of party. And so I get the sense that you're well suited for something like that. And if I can toot my own horn, I have a pretty good record on this. I took on the DNC they put me on that reform commission. And then we reformed it is it perfect. No. But it is way more transparent than it ever was. That was my little pet case. We got rid of super dial delegates on the first ballot. When I was in the platform committee. We fought for the most progressive platform and the Democratic Party, and we got it. We really have been pushing. We should that platform has been adopted. I mean, I don't wanna say, well, I think we say wildly why today we spoke to Shawn mckelway, and he said fifty percent of congressional candidates, depending on how you define it. But fifty percent are are pushing Medicare for all across the entire. House candidacy candidates, and that's pretty that's pretty amazing. Yeah. It's I think the polls show that crosses party lines. I mean, the Bernie Sanders platform is the platform that is going to bring back those voters who either stayed home in two thousand sixteen or God forbid voted for Trump. So instead of playing blame games and pitting people against each other. We should be talking about what kind of platform is gonna make most lives better for Americans at this point went income. Inequality is soaring. And I think as the New York City public advocate, not only do we have to push the platform. We have we have a fairly progressive city government. But there are some issues that even our most progressive members are just a freight of taking on and real estate is the number one. I mean, big real estate. They went after Julius Salazar hard, you know, she could have handled it better, of course. But when you start to talk about real estate, you put a target on your back. I've had a target on my back for the last several years. I'm sure they're gonna go after me, but we have to be honest with ourselves. There's too much at stake. Here. It is absolute affordable to live in New York City. People aren't making high enough wages the subways don't work the board of elections doesn't work as we saw today. We the, you know, the infrastructure of the state and city are crumbling. And meanwhile, you have Wall Street that keeps getting bailed out and and taking pay raises and the real estate industry was driving. Everybody out. Kind of question. I agree with you hundred percent that real estate and housing is definitely the number one. And I like the way you laid it out because interconnects with all the other major transportation reform, but on a on a note that I think is relevant for New York won't be center in the campaign, but it's relevant. You've done. Great coverage on Puerto Rico, and obviously New York important relationship Puerto Rico, and we still see Puerto Rico still kind of ground zero of colonialism austerity. What can you do? Yeah. Thrums of the Puerto Rico relationship. Wow. It's like you're in our office taking notes we are getting ready to unveil our Puerto Rico platform, I'm leading with that. Because I did spend a good chunk of the last year in Puerto Rico, and I do think as New Yorkers where a good chunk of our population is from Puerto Rico borough six brogues, actually, but even further than that Wall Street, the bondholders the people who are making money off of the colonization of Puerto Rico, the disaster capitalism that is here we sometimes it's as New Yorkers politicians, go round and. Every borough and talk to different folks, we forget that we have a responsibility duty to the rest of this country to really check Wall Street, which is here. It's like, it doesn't exist. It's like it's only little island, and it is in a sense. But how many polls here go to Puerto Rico parades and then decimate Puerto Rico? Let me ask you this from a practical standpoint like what do you do when we talk about real estate? And I think anybody who knows New York, particularly New York City politics knows that the biggest corrupting force is real estate money. I mean and everybody regardless of politicians that I have liked disliked. They all they're all they all kowtow in some way to the real estate money. Don't even get me started, Marguerite. But but with all that said what what? And when you talk about Puerto Rico, you talk about Wall Street like from a practical standpoint what what can you do what can you do? So this is the conundrum of the office of the public advocate every year. The budget is set every year the budget is different. It's set by the city council speaker, and the mayor they you know, they work together on that. Aside from that that the powers are semi limited of the public advocate is there to call out to be a voice to to you know, to use. It's platform in the best way possible to to push back. There are litigation. They can't let a gate within the office, but they can hire litigators. But I think from my perspective as a former investigative reporter as a former watchdog a reformer, I wanna use the office to investigate in ways that others have not done with a staff. Very large staff. I was investigative reporter of one I didn't have researchers and I did stuff that you know, the office did. So for instance, with Wall Street, I'll take it. There's an idea we had where we thought we could collect all this public data all this data when the LLC loopholes perfect example, you know, real estate firms are using this Elsie loophole in the state to give an extraordinary amount of of. Political contributions to candidates, and they'll houses LLC's will be hundreds of LLC's housed in one building or one apartment in like, queens, or Brooklyn. And it's very hard to figure out who owns these who the people are. Now, if you track all the data together new collect it new create a site that makes it easier for reporters have to foia. They don't have to go to city hall and go through records, if you collect that data, and it's it we've looked into it a bit at it's it's not as difficult as you make and you create the patterns new show will this lawmaker this city councilman is accepting money from this L C, which is housed in this place. This this person this person has this agenda. It starts to tell the tale of what these connections are on who these people are what their agendas are. That's a simple tool that that would be great for reporters in New York. Invest putting his very expensive. It could be good for a lot of media companies. But it's also great tool for citizens. That's just one simple thing that it's it's almost a it's a hybrid. Between an ombudsman in an inspector general in a way, and in some respects, you're you're you're both able to do investigations and set up a data sets data points to essentially subsidize the investigations by other entities. Maybe it's travelers maybe it's a reporters. Maybe it's other public interest groups they're gonna go after you hard look interest. Common causes common causes early alarm proposal. I we're gonna tune in back into this stuff because Gwinnett county is sort of the key county for Georgia and Cornell is talking about was talking about it for a moment. But. But let's be before we go back to that. Because they're still counting votes. What's going on with a t shirt? So I walk in and have been wearing this shirt all days, I kind of your real name capping? That would make it so much easier. Next time, you're on my show. Hey, kathy. Smith. Thank you for being here. Cami Twitter is blowing up right now. My mom's like what's going on who's talking about his it? Why would you? So my mother was a lawmaker in Erie county New York near buffalo for for a few years. And she ran the first time, I think nine hundred ninety eight and I was fourteen years old, and I was going through my t shirts like oh my gosh. What kind of shirt I wear today like standing rock was two years ago? But it's not really the moment. And then I found this old sort of the bottom drawer, which you know, it's changing color a little bit. It's aged twenty years old this year, my mom's first election, and then she lost. And then the next one. She lost his nine eleven was the primary and then the third one she won by like seventy seven percent in the three hundred publican area. Why because she had one of those platforms that cross party lines a lot of lessons there. And you're not gonna have your. And you you grew up in buffalo. Ted freezing cold, it is it is I ever been there. And so. Uh-huh. Was tony. Yes. Who went? There was a blood show. It was boys lead. So I don't know sports. But I remember that name newscasts because you can't escape it. Are you learning sports stuff for your camping? Or all right. So we're not. So not that Boston Red Sox are not a team. I should. Well, not own the studio. Mayor is a is a Boston Red Sox. That's like good could easily get away with just take it. A lot of key regards suppo brave one of. One of the one of the best features. Yeah. I will say so we're at now twenty two four the house to turn to the Democrats. And you know, there is. There's really not a lot necessarily right now that we can that we can glean the most fun part of this time of the night is looking in your at the ticker and seeing some of the faces of the people that actually like. How? Sherrod Brown shirts Brown with a comfortable win. Yeah. Does that help cordray? Where's he in his own zone? I mean, it doesn't it definitely definitely helps how much it's hard to know. But. We go back a year ago. People will worried about Sharon Brown. Yeah. And people will worried about voted for some of his cabinet stuff. Right. Didn't it wasn't there. Something like that. Where Ben Carson didn't share Brown. Devoted cheated too. Because I'm good you not understood. There's no way you can defend that the public advocate wants. My book that's up through my research. Where's our research team? You're fired. The big issue right now is Brian Donnelly. There's thirty one percent, and he is losing significantly. It's unclear to me. At this point what the what's in Indiana. But if Donnelly loses. Be concerned because Donald was one of those guys who's right on the cusp. It's obviously it's a red state, but and in red states, go that's not necessarily the case when you're talking about specific congressional seats in there, and and outside of like, Pennsylvania, New York and California, you don't need many in terms of what's gonna anticipated to to flip in blue states. You don't need many already picked up one in Virginia. And so. It's it's hard to imagine. The Democrats not picking up the house at this point. When you see that number coming out of Jinya and Comstock losing fed fifteen percent. That's pretty stunning. But on the Senate the Senate side, you know, if if a guy like Donald is losing, then you may say goodbye to mccaskill. We heard good things about mccaskill today of all people on majority report with her ground game. But I have a question for both. You guys about Donnelley. If I could ask I agree completely that it's that it's just a numbers game elected democrat in a place like Indiana. No matter how we're West Virginia for that. Minimum. Our no matter how terrible they are. But you know, even Joe mansion as far as I understand didn't flirt with getting rid of birthright citizenship. And when Donnelly did that my concern is not my purity of being able to support him or not. But I do feel like when a democrat says that that does he ruin the overturn when the overturn window. I know he walked back. But I'm saying that that would also suggests that he hasn't turned polling that thinks that he's in deep trouble. Absolutely, no doubt about that. But I'm just talking about the general because I I don't I don't even think it's like debatable idea of elect Democrats, even if they're bad Democrats. But that was the one thing that I saw that it was like, wait a second. I think in the national press. It means something different. If a democrat if they're right. Wing democrat from Indiana puts birthright citizenship into play. This not disturbs me. This was the big problem frankly with Joe Lieberman. Joe lieberman. Right. And it was even worse because he was a blue state democrat would go on Fox News. And he would carry the Republicans message and everything suddenly became bipartisan because Joe Lieberman. Was you know, willing to sign on with John McCain and now Joe Lieberman? I think is like literally. Offering. He's a little bit mad about Ned Lamont. Because Ned Lamont was the guy who knocked them out of the box. But he was I think offering to help in the transition or something schlitz, he is Allah, whatever that category is Jewish. He's from Connecticut. Terrible person almost in some respects worse. I mean because you know. Because allders. Gadfly was just got right. Exactly. He's doing his job is a lawyer. I understand that. But but Joe Lieberman. I mean, I I'm biased because I the depth of my dislike of Joe Lieberman. Is is I think greater than anything else? I could ever sess Martin from Connecticut. Mark green. No, Mark up there too. But, but but member station. No jury anyways out. Public advocate. We was also I was considering endorser. I went to college. And I remember seeing ads. Joe Lieberman standing in front of the highways talking about how the tolls are gone. And he was attorney general he had nothing to do with the tolls being, but he was that type of guy. Yeah. And so yeah, that's how you became. Hey that was where it started. That was that's an interesting thing to be. I was Joey more than any Joe Lieberman skeptical at that point. Okay. And then back during the war. It was basically the woman. I mean, he's real trend, and he also likes I read a piece when he retired. I'm sorry. She wouldn't she Leyla. I can't there's another temple this people thought that she'll Layla was. Going to get destroyed. Well, it's her charisma it. Well, she only early on in the race. Look, really bad. Now. I bet you Donna Shalala is benefiting significantly from a guilt. I I think that she was somebody who people were very worried about three to six months ago. People are very concerned that she Layla was just not campaigning. Well, I have a slightly funny story. I was an flight last year before she knows running. And I the woman next me looked exactly like dommage Layla, and she was talking about politics, and she had like things like on her screen that we're like DNC, blah, and I was talking to her and. The hold her time. We talk to each other as if she were Donna Shalala, and then the end of the conversation, she did work for the DNC. And that's why she acted like she knew me, and she was not Donna Shalala. And and then I said, well, so nice seeing you Donna. And then she's like who. And then she said, she's always people always think that she's honestly though. So it was like a two hour flight where I was talking to Donald. Coen brothers movie, and it was actually just like a complete imposter now in someone nothing to do with the NC or anything very strange is never been in a situation like that before Fidel cashflow on the I end. That's good. I liked that one Indiana not over yet. Fort, Wayne, Gary, Evansville, and Indianapolis still not fully in Joe from Raleigh on the IM's. Let's split times mean. Having great news in North Carolina. Democrats winning all North Carolina supreme court and court of appeals. That's big Linda Coleman speeding the courts in North Carolina that white Republican congressman George holding in the Raleigh era. Looks on the thing in the North Carolina general assembly, we shall see. It's early yet. That's hard one Tennessee you. You me bear trip voted in Vernon Connecticut today waited for half an hour and never before. If I waited in line to vote even twenty sixteen hopefully, we get a lot of these. And I've heard a lot of reports like this. But I feel like I hear a lot of reports like this every year. That is true. But I did literally wait in line in Brooklyn. And where I am. I have absolutely never this is the first time I've with yes. So I will say. The the turnouts higher. But a lot of these machines. I don't know if you guys Raj. The purging wasn't as much of an issue as it was during the primary, but the machines the scanners that took your ballot were catching about because they were wet. That's the excuse of elections has now, you know, what's all that? If we had a Democratic Senate and could pass early voting and voting reform, and then the board of elections could be funded and not overwhelmed mail in ballots say. Let's go to the phone showy the year calling from a two to five area code who's this where you calling from two to five Eric who's this? Oh. Hey, man. Even from a Baton Rouge, Louisiana. What's going on? Stephen. Not much, man. I'm alive. You are like a grow. Cool. I don't know if your screen, callers or not like a little bit of lag with a YouTube livestream, right? Take your time. How's life? You wanna you wanna you want to call back later after you've thought about what you're gonna say just as opposed to screening all listen to Sam just take your time to don't tell. No, I'm sorry. I got a little confused. I was listening to you all live. So I thought I was. Hey curiosity. Why was there a delay for you? I'm watching on YouTube. All right. What's up? Oh, well, other than what was what's going on right now? I just started listening to you all show about three days ago, and you know, pretty pretty much like it all. A kind of progressive, right? Yeah. Sam's kind of Jewish. Yeah. I mean, I would assume how y'all like destroy, you know, most libertarians of seeing conversations kind of funny, but it's low hanging fruit. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But unfortunately, for me, I've just started realizing how important politics really is your everyday life. Yeah. And as I've gotten into it, you know, starting with, you know, certain, you know, people started with religion grew up very fundamentalist got out of it became a Diaz went to, you know, eight years of not too long ago. And then you know, politics seems to follow for most people, and I've kinda realized you know, I can't justify my dad Republican everyone I knows if I'm looking in that seems kind of going hand in hand with. But I like I was saying, you know, found you'll show and I was trying to figure out like a obviously all progressive. I can agree with that. What are in seem to talk pretty well about social Democrats are democratic socialist. You know, whatever you want there the labor. I'll just wondering that something y'all do take as a positive or is that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We didn't really I wasn't clear on where he'll stood on. Everybody wants to roll on this program. Well, I mean, you know, that's Medicare for all is is. Yeah. And I think the pinions we have a wide range of pins on this program ranging from from increasing government ownership of various elements of the means of production through basically, we go from the guillotine to Sweden. That's basically, the rain. Ref DR FDR democrat the people should right. Should want to come together and agree on on something like that some of us doing? But you know, we elect obviously, right? Well, I think you know, Jamie, who's not here I wouldn't want to speak for her. But I think she is. She is not the status that I am. I'm a little bit more of a status and Michael maybe somewhere in between there. And I think we want a little bit more realm. You know on the spectrum of wanting democratic control of the means of production to you know, across the spectrum of that. But yes, we are. We are you know, that's an internal left debate. Yes. But here's what I was definitely want to get behind. But is there any kind of resources y'all can like her? I'll tell you what the, you know, from people saying like, I'm gonna tell you are there any resources you can point me to like actual like say economic doing like, listen, crunching the no. Because I don't like to Stephanie Kelton wrong. Dude, listening listening just keep watching the show, and you will hear from all those people. There's crawls the Michael Brooks show. All right. But we gotta go. But I appreciate the call. But on keep watching shot. Maybe read it David Harvey book. I guess. No, you're right. Keep watching majority. Get introduced to all the watch. Stephanie Kelco back watch David Harvey. Listen to all of us are all the stuff Richard wolf we've had on. We've had Mark Blyth. I mean, go back Google economist majority report, and you will have type of besides neoclassical. We have we all of the left positions in economics are super well represented on the show. I think it's definitely true. We represent all the left except for classical. Yeah. All not suck majority report crying. We've already done that. Then we go we covered all that. Great tweets wanna blue Shane Goldmahcer from the New York Times, the nineteen nineties Clinton wars will never end calms, two classes, Julie Lewin's. Well, I don't know that somebody I know. But that's somebody trying to desperately relive. Yeah. I guess it was convinced chalet. It's not like Sheila. It was like oh my God. Donald chalet is needs to represent this district Abrams is seventeen percent of the seventeen percent close. Well, Florida's super super God. If you are in Florida, and you have not voted going everybody right now Republican make lets you what redrew the district lines in the middle of the year in Pennsylvania. And what that did was it created first of all. We know this story already. In fact, Mike from PA was covering it on day one. We saw the redistricting that happened. He an -ticipant it'd when that happened, and I guess this was about six seven months ago that Pennsylvania's my. My. They would pick up a three to six he thought the outside was six to seven. Even I think house seats in Pennsylvania. We will see I think we're still a while on Florida flourish. They had a little incumbent line because I don't know every forty two percent in in Indiana. Donnelly down still by fifteen points, eighteen points, actually. So that's that does not bode well, and we shall see if Donnelly loses. What needs to happen is the Democrats need to win everywhere else, assuming they're going to lose North Dakota. They need to win hold every other seat mccaskill mansion. And then they need to win in Arizona. They need to win in Nevada. They need to win in Texas, and they need to win in Tennessee. So to imagine hard one. Part one. I think that the the most likely scenario, I still think it depends on Donnelly is a fifty fifty ties in the Senate Bill people have not talked about that very much. I think like I said because he would affectively be no different than it is now, but I think from a political standpoint, it would be nice to bring Mike Pence into this a little bit more and make him take a little bit of ownership. We're going to have somebody on is it Monday, Brendan that's the nineteenth. So in a couple of weeks who has written the the book essentially on Mike Pence, and I knew a little bit of pants already. Well, no, this guy did a a biography on him. And I knew a little bit about Mike Pence just because of back in the day when he was in the house, I think was air America time, and I had done one or two interviews about stuff that he had done in the state. With some lawyers. This guy said he is in the history of the United States. The most powerful theocrat that has ever been in the United States that he has his the level of the offi theocracy that he holds ideologically and his power as vice president of the United States. His that cross section has never been rivaled. He's Catholic not that that's an excuse. But I find it fascinating. Isn't it Catholic? I do not think he's Catholic. I think. He was born Catholic converted. Converts are always the hardest to coordinate. I mean, it's again super early only thirty percent in, but you know, can win Ohio to win Wisconsin to win Pennsylvania to win. Michigan the governor seats there are hugely important hugely important both for the quality of life for people who live there, and in terms of the future of the Democratic Party and Democrats getting power over the next, you know, two or three cycles thing just to keep in mind. It's not just that we need those seats and people need to have rights in their own state. If you have a democratic governor of Ohio that means suddenly there are resources in the Democratic Party in Ohio and that flows down to other ballots. Other other races down ballot and also Beato for presidential elections makes that infrastructure stronger. One of the reasons why I I used to live in one of the. Why even though I think it was on a is a blue state and has been for over a decade. One of the reasons why I think it doesn't stay that way. Is that Democrats go in pull out the win pull out Janet Napolitano? I mean, the fact that she was appointed governor that was a stupid stupid decision by by President Obama because era's gonna could've stayed democratic and really hadn't infrastructure there. You know, just talk about that a little bit because I don't think people appreciate that. I don't know that I appreciated that until fairly late in doing this that it is. I mean it in some respects. It's so. It's basic that people overlook this. But when you are in a position of power that comes with money. It comes with a budget. And all the sudden, then you you're hiring, you know, other progressives and everybody all sorta starts to flow a little bit. I mean, it's not it's not just a question of patronage. It's a question of building. And supporting a structure, I mean, my understanding is that Elizabeth Warren was interested in being Clinton's vice president because she wanted the resources that would have come with that office to build essentially an apparatus that would deal with questions, particularly I think she was interested in antitrust and whatnot acros a cross the government, and for I think a lot of people just think like this you want to be associated with her, and ideological and this and that and really it's no it's just I want that pot of resources. Is to build out and pursue the agenda that I'm looking to pursue. And I think that's why at the end of the day. It's more important that you have can't even believe I'm saying this. I'm such a critic of Joe mansion, Joe Manchin, barely votes democratic it's not like he votes with the Republicans, you know, on those crucial votes that's horrifying. But when you have a majority, you have more resources, so in Chuck Schumer's mind, rather my opinion would be find somebody better than Joe Manchin who is more of a populist because he's not a populist. He's a capitalist. He's extreme Capulet capitalist who pretends to be. Exactly. But to find somebody who is better across the board. That would be my perspective. But I understand the concept of keeping him in office now in the general election because if we have the majority we have the resources we can start investing across the country. Right. I mean, how what else could Chuck Schumer squander? If you didn't have these resources. Well, I know. Past is imaginary friends, dude, I'm gonna put in Chuck Schumer's imaginary friends that was something that does a literal thing. So he said several years ago in a profile that he runs all of his main policy decisions by a family from massapequa called the Bailey's. And the thing about them is massapequa just there yesterday. Don't hate on mass of people to the Bailey's, you know, she would have because they're figments of his fucking imagination literally. And he actually publicly is like like how even his imagination's boring. Literally is like, right, exactly. I talked to obvious number. What oh district Suffolk Nassau what should we do about Puerto Rico this? The he wanna know what more I could squander. You never know till I talked to my fake friends. They'll me. All right. Let's look at this here. No, you're not art Santa system ahead half. Look in the camera. Please let she's got it. Scary. I haven't Twitter address store of tech. She. He's finding it. The same thing. Marne Florida cracks are putting up on the board right now. Osceola county Fifty-nine nine thirty nine that's actually last March twenty five still some Johnson wife running white margin. No that was in the that was twenty five. Even where Orlando is. So you're seeing it looks like same day vote in some of those places. Trump did really well. And in twenty six like Republicans are getting that today in Florida's well, and you've got a very complicated picture they're saying, oh, we're going to try to page shuck Todd and get them back in ninety percent apparently panhandles to come in. So that's not helpful. But it's it's it's smaller population than steel is with us, the former chairman of the Republican, Mike favorite their job tonight. How would you feel about the chances? It'd be very nervous to be honest because there's a lot that's still out there, obviously. But when you look at the trend lines, particularly in a state like Virginia northern Virginia that Loudon county area has become so much of a bellwether for the state and almost for the region as the demographic patterns have shifted and changed in the parties at the St.. In the national level have to be cognizant of how people not just moving around. But how that's impacting the vote patterns, and where people are going to turn out and how that vote settles down. And I think we're going to see this play out across the country tonight. All right. I we don't eat here. Oh, let's take a phone. Call here com from still five six one area code. Call from five six one area code who's this. Five six one. Five six one once going twice. Go to calm from eight three to Eric owed who's this where you calling from. Cal racquel. Where are you calling on Texas? What's going on in Texas? Rocco? What's happened in Houston? So. So we had several polling places with too few either to machines or they didn't open on time. So they're. Some advocates who the city they're staying open till eight seven seventeen. No. Wow. All right. So. Today. My my house in my precinct heard Aries. So I'm hoping can pull it off. All right. Well, I guess we'll see we haven't seen any numbers out of Texas yet. But appreciate the call. Thank you rock. Al. Com from an eight zero two area code who's where are you calling from? Turn your computer down eight zero two zero two. Come back to you com from four seven eight area code who's this? Where are you calling from? Firm grip. Jeff what's happening in Georgia. Doesn't look great at the moment. Do you have a sense of what's extent? It does not look great. Although not say, it's totally hopeless. Jim stronghold counties. I knew particularly not reported yet spread is why there's only a handful percent poor. Georgia to do. I do work that I still got a lot of hope for stage. Certainly make a Dame fine governor. And if she doesn't win a twenty about why I think that oh one well on that too. Or? But now down Bill shave your voice in line. Please stay in line with through nine Gordon must be allowed for both the policy as long as you're in line four seventy I did wanna talk a little bit about about. My valid if you'll allow me Sam. You know, this is something I noticed I noticed twenty sixteen as well. You know years like this where you know, democratic turnout even if it's not enough to quite ship over as were, you know, it's gonna be much larger than any will crave. Expected they out two to four to six years ago. Right. And that's really time that you would want to begin recruiting candidates for office and and on several months on my ballot. There's not even fade for me to vote for. I'm not talking about campaign infrastructure or invest in media advice or anything like that. I'm talking about. And Dane film of that that you know in in cons where there is a wave election. And it takes people surprise the few of those races would get picked up. I think if it was just a name there. Right. Like, not too many. But you know, what like every little bit counts faintly. Well, you know, we're going to need to play every possible egg. We the gate. Hillary one eight kitten power bat Hillary one districts in Texas that didn't have a democrat on the ballot. In two thousand sixteen that didn't have anybody else. Yeah. I mean it happens. Ashley be right. But it, but it helps to have right? It helps to have other people on the ballot. But I I know what you're saying. We're going to need, you know, all stops. But let's, you know, I guess we're just going to wait and see what happens here, but point taken. Hang in there to report. I'll be listening or all right. Thanks, jeff. Apologize because I thought you guys muted me. For the whole entire call. And then I'm just chitchatting away. Muted nowhere might hear that mce on McCoy you. Let's fort. From Wisconsin on the phone. We have producer meredith's of the majority of port, Josh Orton. Josh welcome to the program. Executive producer, executive producer emeritus. I apologize strip. That title you left, Jeff. Well, America's is no, no executive producer. Oh, you got demoted. And then made Americus is what happened after the fact. Took a big hit will majority pension. Yes. Big hit super big hit. All right. So Josh for folks who don't know you you worked on Russ Feingold campaign. You worked in the past for for Harry Reid amongst others. Give us a sense of what's going on Wisconsin. Scott walker. Yeah. Well, so folks are already looking at the turn out Wisconsin in a national context. It's huge and people are predicting Wisconsin may actually get the highest voter turnout in any state. It's gonna cross her the twenty sixteen turn out in in Dane county, which is obviously were Madison news and huge dense area for for democratic votes. And I think that the for Scott Walker. We'll see he's running for third term and he struggled in the polls for a couple of reasons. One is he doesn't have a liberal boogeyman two. Go after like, he did when he was back unions, and he lost a lot of popularity after ran for president. And I think that it's re if there is such a high turnout of democratic voters in Dane in Milwaukee county's, you know, he's got a look at at actually at Waukesha county in a couple of other counties around Waukesha to really pack in numbers. He needs to exceed seventy percent of the vote in in Waukesha. I think in order to hold on because Republicans might have a have a drop off from them. They they needed a reason with turn out. They're not all excited about Walker, and plus TIMMY Baldwin is Mada rallying figure for the GOP. She's her proves above water. So right. I really I feel really good about Tammy. And I and I'm cautiously optimistic about Tony vers feedings come Walker. All right. And are there any congressional races? That are in play there, Bryce. So obviously, the big one is Randy Bryce, right right to replace Paul Ryan in the first congressional district, and you know, because there's not a lot of district level polling. That's one little part of forecast. But I think that Randy incredibly strong field program. And you know, that would be a Freddie wins. It's gonna be a very very good night. Can I shine with someone on that race? Sure out to campaign manager, David Keith in that office. He's been kicking butt old friend of mine talk from last night. And he said he felt good. So that doesn't come from campaign managers mouths for one of the things that I heard that that people were talking about is that the the rust belt, you know, places was Wisconsin, Ohio Michigan Pennsylvania in some ways in this race. The states that essentially gave the presidency to Donald Trump. Are sort of returning in some ways, you know? I mean, the south may be still reach, but these are places, which the rust belt could very well and up coming. There you go that's kind of that's a pickup. Right. And they'll annoy Frisco. Prescribers terrible. But he'd beat Larry HOGAN just one though. Yes. That people knew, but that's not surprise and Gina Raimondo one in Rhode Island, she's horrible. But, but what what do you think about that Josh the rust belt? Well, it was interesting that you bring that up because if you look in in the southwest corner, Wisconsin about county six or seven counties traditionally democratic in presidential years. You mean HOGAN? You know, they were actually Trump Feingold counties and twenty sixteen and it's just a next spring. When there was a statewide supreme court race, which is in fury hardest in those counties return back to sort of the democratic default. So I think if you see those those are going to return back, I think the democrat are com- rock county were Janesville is and even some of the northern counties by Green Bay. I think you're gonna start returning back to the sort of democratic trend. And if so I think that's a lot about you know, what happened in twenty sixteen and I think it's very optimistic for for for twenty eighteen and twenty twenty and it was interesting to see obviously, the exit polls and nationally had healthcare is the most important issue by twenty points. That was true by twenty five points in the exits in Wisconsin. Tom Wolfe was just projected winner in Pennsylvania. So that's a crucial now have Illinois and Pennsylvania. Obviously Pennsylvania's still democratic stays democratic Illinois is a flip. And I guess, you know, his now screws great tickly on racial issue. Very enlightened guy. It's not looking great for Donnelly. No. It is not looking good for Donnelly. Demographics are not great for phenomenally. And that is that's worrying. I mean, the polls had Donnelly pretty tight, right? I mean within within the margin of error. And so if Donnelly looks like he's not he's losing outs. He's it's it's significant. I haven't seen the latest numbers cordray's up with thirty one percent in Donnelly's thirty nine to fifty six that is. I mean, if those numbers hold then the polls overestimated democratic support there by about ten points. And that's disturbing in terms of its implications. You know in other places around the country. It's hard to say like what? This feels like, you know, people are going to be doing studies over what were the. What were the actual? Slices of the electorate that they got wrong. Because. One reason for optimism Indiana's. It looks like Marion county where Indianapolis is only maybe a fifth of just under a fish for just over a fifth in. All right. Well, so fair enough. Let's well, we will we will hold onto that like seven points for another glass of gin, and then work my way. This is looking I mean, hopefully, this is a similar dynamic in Georgia where the just the wrong counties comes sixty four percent, they're in and Stacey Abrams still down by sixty thousand. That's that's quite a bit. So called it. If this Broward how some votes left to come in about over over half are in but Rowan county, I remind I remember being a teenager. And that was the first proud county mattered a lot for our lives. That's disturbing. Colorado's lead to brag. I don't wanna deal at Broward County, dude. I just wanna Andrew gillum to win this race. If there's any basic like chance of human survival. Well, Josh, so I guess basically the long short of it is we gotta pay attention to walk Shaw county and if Walker is on pace to win over seventy percent, he's in better shape. If he's under seventy percent, Josh. Don't get hurt out there. I think that's right. And especially to compensate for the just a raw number of the just breaking number of boats. Dane county where Madison's so we'll see interesting how much you think. Josh does voter suppression. You know account for what's going on in Wisconsin. These days. I mean, there are a couple of studies, and you know, the more conservative estimates are at least in in the low tens of thousands. There were I think about three hundred thousand people in Wisconsin who were legally and properly registered to vote, but who lacked the this is twenty sixteen but who lacked the ID to vote, and so, you know, the question is how much of that three hundred thousand were were attempted voters are likely voters, but it is significant and in the last days of the campaign Friday or Thursday Friday Walker announced that he was activating the national guard for cyber security reasons. Right. Never heard of that. And it seemed like an obvious throw every every suppression tactic at the wall to maybe have people imagine national carbon standing at the polls, and perhaps intimidate voters away. But it's a huge thing. And they're there. This is again, one of those states where the maps are. So so rigged. And you know, the other thing to watch in Wisconsin is Dem's need three seats seats to get the majority of the state Senate, which is a huge shoe deal considering the redistricting case, basically punted at the supreme court, right? Isn't isn't it that? Wisconsin's a segregated state in the in the union. Milwaukee is certainly one of most segregated cities in in the country. I I don't have the Steph for the for the state overall. But yeah, it is it's mill. The Milwaukee has been notoriously segregated and in not just geographically, but in public resources, and you know, the the counties around Milwaukee of Knicks transportation funds. So that people can go to surrounding communities to get jobs. It's it's really Linda's held onto his seat. Sorry rupp. Bob menendez. No, I didn't think this would be. They must have exit polling because they've just called it with one percent in and he's losing by. Yeah. That's weird. But I mean. Bob Menendez not too corrupt for New Jersey. Right. Well, no, he's not. It's New Jersey. No one's to New Jersey. That was. Nice come on. And. That's all. Ship are totally dig this attitudes. Public advocate. Plane. What's the problem? I'm the public advocate their France, sex positive in friendship, positive. Go to the Dominican. That's your visited it's interesting. So check cards. Bill Nelson is is running about even with Andrew gillum known really expected that right? I mean, there may be I mean there may be. Some of that. Wilder affect or the, you know, I my understanding is that a lot of that talk of the the idea that people lie in this day and age to pollsters about voting for a black guy was more apocryphal. But but it sort of feels like maybe that's what happened there. I mean, you know, it's a little bit early to tell. But they you know, Gillam was up by. Three four five six seven points in some of these things and it felt like he was pulling Bill Nelson across the finish line. And it's sort of feels like Bill Nelson is outperforming them right now. Never trust the white man polls. Otherwise. Still there. Josh. Yeah. Yeah. It's and I think that no. And I think that Nelson got a little bit more profile. You know, he really I think he connected with some communities after the after the parkland shooting, and and and should have stepped up at his role. So you know, I think he he he may have introduced himself to voters that really didn't have any contact with them before. But he certainly didn't have the the movement of Gillam. And so it's you know, we'll see how it shakes out. But I this is, you know, people generally expected him to to run, you know, three four points or so ahead of Nelson governor Printz fair all writing well, Josh Orton. Thanks so much for your time today, but any anything we're missing or what? Well, I'll be I'll be I'll be wishy when we're having the recount show tomorrow. Ryan in the coming weeks when we're done in, bro. Brower Countess is up now to about a point point to he's up about Santa's. Yeah. About eighty five thousand votes with nine percents still to come in. So one thing just a side note thinking about how this affects down ballot. When you have states like Florida, and Andy swing states in these swing districts this this happened in in Long Island. King Representative king is being challenged by Luba Gretchen, Shirley, and in the last few months. The Republicans have poured in unbelievable amount of money in to Long Island. Speaking of massapequa, and as a result, you have a state Senator is a democrat. You have an assembly woman who flipped that seat, forty points within Trump's election in one as a democrat. But now they're in very serious. You know, there's there's a very serious chance both of might lose. And part of it is because king was challenged and the Republican congressional committee portal this money and some wondering how that plays a role in places like Florida like could we actually be winning the legislatures by not winning the governorships? Meaning if we just didn't put the money into the governorships winter that tight I mean, there's no predicting this. But right, the Republicans have so much more money that it's affecting down ballot. And that's where they win the legislature is you're basically saying lay low in. Certain areas and be I mean, maybe I don't know. I yeah. Josh, what's your sense of that? I think sometimes if if you just talking about money, I think it's not necessarily euro some game because a candidate like Andrew Bill, actually, you know, makes the Plainfield bigger. Right. He it's not just sort of set pot of national money to get distributed. It's not just a certain amount of grassroots fundraising that that's get solicited by Email. Right. You know, candidly, Gillam can actually bring in you know. You know, who speaks to people, and can can actually energize folks can bring in money that obviously would never have come into that race to begin with. So I think what you know, if when it comes to money, I don't think that's necessarily as euro, some, you know, I do think that that sometimes it's difficult when people get sort of electrified, but some of these state ride races that it's definitely hard to especially if there's not necessarily agree coordinated campaign estate. It's hard to sort of have that trickle down to the to the to the state to the to the local or state legislative elections for and they don't have the volunteers, and they don't have the budgets. So I thought it was Long Island this weekend, and the John Brooks campaign and the Pellegrino campaign were offering great rates for volunteers. Meanwhile, Luebbe had lines around the SIEM district, and even if they're coordinated it's still complicated. It's a very complicated situation. And that's why it's important to have strong democratic parties, which we don't have inurance in New York state. For a week. No, no. It's the shape of the state democratic parties are atrocious. And I, you know, there's just the obvious thing. It's sometimes Divon the state Democratic Party atrocious. There's not a great Democratic Party bench, and it's much harder to recruit Quaid candidates, electrifying. Candidates. Progressive candidates in the state legislative districts. Josh, thanks for your time tonight. But talk to you later, seeing some Florida. Yeah, I guess so all right. And. In the I think he I don't think he's talking specifically. But it's conceivable there is a recount. I mean, we'll see where the that last nine percent goes. But. Yeah. It's going to be another one of those nights folks was sort of. Hoping for for just a blow out where we could just sit back and drink and not having Ziobro until eleven thirty at night. But I have a feeling there may be some of that the number now is at twenty one. I think I missed the the next pickup we've picked up a Virginia. Obviously. Tonight is under those days when elections under Josh Hawley is the candidates running against Claire mccaskill whose own child has a pre existing condition and he read an ad lying about his position on pre existing conditions using his own kit. So I just wanted to register that one nice guy. There was a time when Republicans to advocate kiddle stopping an asshole. And this goes like what if instead of Mike you having a problem? Increasing my embassy I could harness my kid for an ad, right? Exactly. Hold on. I think we may have another guest online. I'm trying to look we have twenty eight callers on hold at the moment. Let's see what a how many seats have been picked up so far we have picked up to. To a house seats. I believe there's twenty one to go, and I'm not trying to twenty one. Okay. Was there was a pickup in Florida as well. Yeah. Flip in Florida. Twenty seven in Virginia. Ten. Sheila Donna, Shalala, go. He's favorite candidate make you likes. Leila. Lot column from age five. Area code who's this where you calling from. Five. Oh, three. Five. Oh, three take your time. Pew holdings of drums of aim. Hanging. Because that is not a funny that is also apply problematic in terms of their as far as I know. There is no congressional races in Transylvania not of interest of us to tonight calling from a two one area following my league, a little tougher these callers, well that wasn't that was low hanging fruit that was low-hanging calling from two one seven area code. Hey, Cole in Illinois, coal, so Pritzker is now your governor. Congrats. Ish sort of. I guess he'll great. I guess. Calling to ask you where the Jimmy door theory plays in tonight where where where the Jimmy Dora theory plays in tonight. Let's is that. Fucking sell our book get the house and Senate back, right? Your wire fucking sell out nights search thing. Yes. The well. I feel like that theory is gotten pretty threadbare. I think the caller is referring to is that the the idea was that. If the Donald Trump would destroy the Republican party and by twenty twenty by by twenty eighteen I think he said that the Democrats would take the Senate and the house filibuster. Then can I present Jimmy doors ideas as Bill Clinton? I don't I mean, I think than there would be a mass outpouring in straits. I think that'd be elected president in twenty nineteen because they amend the constitution. So just let Trump win and then they'll be fucking revolution. But you motivated by fear. I hear I hear you point. I mean, what's even worse than that though? Is that like, okay? So yes, a democrat one in Illinois. That's good. That's better than if you had a Republican. But it's Pritzker like the like like, the the the Reverend progressive doesn't good as Tulsi Gabbard, but he's pretty fucked. My biggest problem with that theory. If it worked was like, all we're going. To do is get back to baseline. Yep. And and then we're going to try and build from there. I mean, that's the problem with that theory. Chuck Schumer so much my question call I appreciate the call. Maybe if your motor motivated by thank thank you change. Call from com from three oh, seven area code who's this where you calling from. This is Josh Wyoming. Josh what's happening in Wyoming. Well, it's I imagine it's going to be his full right wing. Sweet. Yeah. Well, it's Wyoming and doing there. Yeah. And then national all with. Great stress. Yeah. The stress is warranted. I think and you know, but with that said, it your stress, my stress will not do anything why omega verge ninety five. Ninety five percent of their Cup. Yellow moves down by one point two percent. Ninety five percent in fuck. You you races. Arvid? I'm telling you. Look. Who knows what being could look at those two people on stage and say I'm gonna pick the small defensive oily guy with connections, every type of repugnant individual imaginable who looks like a pedophilia poster over the nice mayor from Tel ASI like is that this is this is how deep the racist. Now that is a pure eight forty nine percent in. That's a better. Fifty two percent to forty eight percent. Amid you know, that's a perfect nice. This is another one if you would go in a room and say, I would spend years with Ted Cruz over Beddoe a work, then you should be institutionalized. I mean, listen, we're talking about, you know, Texas, isn't sort of like the the pure south. Neither is Florida for that matter. But there is a slight difference between Beto Rourke, Andrew Gill. That was kind of my point. Right. Wasn't that sort of my point if you can? Yeah. I mean, you know, one of the things that one of them is a fucking criminal sell last week. I was on a Hayes is program. And there was this notion of wanting to be very positive, and I said, you know, and I've said this on this program, but. It's quite possible that this election will show us something very very dark about our country. I mean, it's one thing about, you know, like sort of the, you know, people didn't like Hillary Clinton for a myriad of reasons. And there was a lot of baggage. And there was a lot of other but fours and Komi and and mistakes by the campaign, and this and that, but you know, we're now at like, we're we're we're more or less at. You know, at sort of I wanna say gut check time, but basically want to say like things are pretty obvious now. Right. Like, there's no, you know, to the extent that the American public can be anything can be communicated to the American public. Things are pretty clear, but we'll see how the how race is a great example. You know, Vermont is not the south right wing. In writing. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. I mean, that's not. I mean, that's we have a long way to go. Josh, I appreciate the call hanging there. Come skiing. That's your best friend. Chris fucking sell out Hayes. Hold on one second doing this impression. Rest tonight's the only way I'm gonna get through this. Absolutely door. Go to. Lert counts. She believe pacman orient Pete's telling me the wrong number that he's calling from. And I can't find him. No Maki has a future-oriented vision for New York City, and the Democratic Party wants to work across aisles with. With. That represent the Bronx trying to find it now. He's telling me, it's a weird looking number from Skype. I literally stay people that's very helpful to Transylvania. That was what I need you to do. Tell me what the idea is was David Frum translate that for a second. I'm going to get a pizza and a let's listen to wooden. That's okay. Tetris? That say right place. I'm sorry. I was just going to ask done question. Which is Chris I know that you've been through a lot of races. Like this you've been through losing and winning races. You've been at headquarters as the votes have come in just from your own reporting and your own sense. Do you think that the battle or campaign believes that it will win tonight or do they believe that they will lose tonight? They believe they will win. Now. That's a that's a crazy belief in some ways because of the history of statewide Democrats. I guess the only thing so for tonight. Actually as a real shot at winning this race. And losing volley said all of these debates about zero zero-sum or not zero sum making the economic case, dealing with racism massage and all the rest that some of these things also come down to just like whether or not somebody's charismatic or not or whether or not somebody's really exceptionally weird bizarre, and sort of almost nonsense, and I was hoping that that principle would apply the Gillam Santa's race, though seems like the racism of Trump voters and Florida's overcoming that? But it looks like it's not over yet. And if you're there, please stay in line, even think the polls have closed yet. I think they have they have. Okay. So it's not over yet. I don't wanna be too pessimistic about Georgia and Florida, but it looks like in Texas that some of the principle of evening, just one person being a somewhat sort of text nice approximation of a decent normal person that you might want to interact with verse. The other person being arguably, I would say Ted Cruz, basically, the most repulsive person American life. I don't really think that that's the debate. Maybe that's working. I mean, you know, besides this. I wonder I wonder in general if we just have to get used to the idea that there aren't going to be waves one way or another anymore. In some respects, even to even two thousand sixteen was away for Republicans because they suppress votes and they win presidencies without getting the popular vote. We have a divide electric a few more examples to make sure that Republicans can't win a wave, right? No. I mean. Yeah, that's a fair point. But I just it just seems to me though, that like essentially the electorate is really divided that might be a cliche. But it's it's obviously the case, and there's not that much work. You can do on these margins. I'm looking Florida some different it looks like, you know, there's a few of the red panhandle things. Although a few of them are completely reported now, but I'm looking at Palm Beach five hundred seven which Guillem is winning that could be good games winning by ninety thousand votes, and it's five hundred seventy two of eight hundred seventy one cents left out Broward County Gillam is winning that by. Almost two hundred thousand votes one hundred fifty to three hundred and forty seven and that has like two ninety five to five seventy seven also shows county's threw big also that still if it look the Republicans. That's why voting suppressions that our number one priority because the electorate, and I'm not a demographic the terminus, but I'm also a demographic determinist at a certain point a party that's built purely on aging white supremacy is not going to succeed in a multi racial America. Unless they literally ethnically cleansed and engineer the electorate which is their fanatical project right now while there's no difference between Donald Trump and Justice Roberts, right? Interesting. Well, no, me speaking of white supremacy. I have to go head to Brooklyn. We're in Brooklyn, but I have to go back to bridge because Andrew gone Artis is a democrat running against mardi golden Republican state Senator chief of staff organized, the problem is events peaking of white supremacy. Guys Andrews, dear friend, he's he could possibly flip the state Senate New York, which is supposed to be blue. And it's not it's holding up like literally everything like New York is. Holding up stuff for the nation. As New York goes. I mean, they could be a template for the nation. All right. Well, if people want more information about your race for public advocate where they solicit donations here. Now, this is really a grassroots effort. So we do that all the child. Fantastic. Wonderful Nomi key consta- com. That's N O M. I K I Kate O N S T dot com. We are in a fight because we have three months, I know we're paying attention to tonight, but our elections in about three months, so special special election, all the donations. You can get if you live in New York, and you wanna be volunteer. You want to help out a go to the website? We have a volunteer button. Go to my Twitter message me everything every dollar every person counts because it's a low turnout special election in the middle of winter. All right. Well, we will put on the podcast and. Thanks so much for taking the time today. Really pretty let's do this. When have you crossed fingers crossed at least support democratic consulting firms more appreciation making the money. I know that right now. Interesting things. Interesting tweet from Ezra Klein, which I think is is accurate. I don't think people are ready for the crisis. That will follow of Democrats win the house popular vote, but not the majority. This is what happened in twenty fourteen. If I'm not mistaken, maybe it was twenty twelve as well. There were more democratic votes cast, then Republican votes nationally, but because of gerrymandering you had significantly more Republicans who. Who won their seats? Let's go to the phones. I think pacman dropped because I couldn't what am I going to do? He's got to figure this out. Calling from. Let's see let's go to the great news north Democrats came out in force in Wake County, even the long serving Republican sheriff in daughter Jessie, homes clerk of court being booted at North Carolina. Wait. Here we go. We're gonna go back down to this ninety stand up. Sam how's everybody doing tonight? Have you seen the news about all the new hate groups these days have you heard about this? I mean why? Okay, great. That's good shy stripper. No need to vote today. Jimmy door informing Dem's can just fill the midterms until we take the Senate, Sean voted straight blue ticket in California. Congressional baseball fan have to fall up in the prior discussion edition of pee wee Herman Donald Trump also identifies with several other pee-wee's playhouses. Characters including king of cartoons. And Randy the bully puppet. Play ball UK socialism. For the win. Hey, guys from the Channel Islands in the UK been watching all night fingers crossed. It's looking good. Love you guys. Dump trump. It's looking okay. We're going to see pretty inscrutable so far. Well, there's a couple of good congressional races that have gone the right way. And so we will see from there. I was brought up as young Tory. But since researching politics, I was not going to just follow. My father's politics. Now socialist my dad hates me four.