17 Episode results for "Kathleen Blanco"

NPR News: 08-19-2019 2AM ET

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04:59 min | 1 year ago

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"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm nora raum. Hundreds of thousands of protesters marched through heavy rain in hong kong sunday in the eleventh with a week of pro democracy demonstrations the renault reports of violence the demonstrations began against a proposal now suspended to allow hong kong residents be extradited extradited to china to stand trial the protests of expanded demands for greater democracy and the resignation of hong kong's executive president trump appears to to be linking trade talks with china to how beijing handles the protests in hong kong as n._p._r.'s tamra keith reports trump says it would be politically really difficult to do a trade deal if there's a violent crackdown asked about the massive protest in hong kong on sunday president trump said he was impressed with the size of the crowds. It's i'd love to see it worked out in a humane fashion and i think they have a great chance of doing it. Trump says he wants chinese president xi jinping to sit down with protesters but trump said if china takes aggressive action against the protestors there would be tremendous political sentiment not to sign onto a trade deal the <hes> square. I think it's a very hard thing to do. If there's violence trump refused to say whether he had spoken to she and conveyed these views directly directly tamra keith n._p._r. News the islamic state is claiming responsibility for a suicide bombing saturday that killed at least sixty three people n._p._r.'s dea hadeed indeed reports from islamabad the terrorist groups that they were targeting muslims and identified the bomber as pakistani that could exacerbate tensions between afghanistan and pakistan don and it comes as the taliban and the united states negotiating a deal that would allow foreign troops to withdraw the taliban have also targeted civilians and even if they reform the attack on the wedding shows that other groups a steel intent on punishing afghans n._p._r.'s dea hadid reporting from islamabad senator and democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders unveiled a criminal justice reform plan sunday n._p._r.'s mara liasson jason reports his plan includes ending the practice of cash bail sanders who is running for the democratic nomination for president told n._p._r. On sunday that he would end end the practice of keeping people in jail because they don't have the money to post bail once deep percents of the people who are in jail at this multi their crime crime is they all they have been convicted of nothing. They are in jail because they cannot afford cash. Bell sanders was also asked about his vote for the nineteen ninety-four crime bill which is now blamed for mass incarceration. He said the bill was bad legislation but he has no regrets for voting for it because it included a ten year ban on assault weapons mara liasson n._p._r. News this is n._p._r. News from washington former louisiana governor kathleen blanco died sunday from cancer at the age of seventy six jessica rose guard from member station w. w. w. n._o. In new orleans as more kathleen babylon blanco began her career as a teacher before entering politics in louisiana she moved through the ranks to become the state's first a female governor in two thousand four when she took office she sought to improve education and healthcare in the state until two thousand five when hurricane katrina devastated louisiana anna and changed the course of blanco's governorship she received intense criticism for her response in the immediate aftermath of the storm or she was seen as unprepared and overwhelmed and but she is credited with lobbying republican controlled congress for four billion dollars in federal aid leading the state through its recovery. She did not seek reelection serving one term as governor for n._p._r. News i'm jessica rose garden in new orleans in iranian oil tanker left. Her brought her sunday night a month. After it had been detained by british royal royal marines the ship was suspected of carrying two million barrels of crude oil to syria in violation of european union sanctions it was released thursday but that had been sought by the united states which said the vessel had ties to iran's revolutionary guard gibraltar officials say they lacked the authority to detain the shift on behalf of the a u._s. Wildfires have forced some four thousand people from their homes on one of spain's canary islands. They started as one fire saturday. Then split slid into to burning an estimated forty two hundred acres at least forty towns have been evacuated. I'm nora raum n._p._r. News in washington.

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04:59 min | 1 year ago

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"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm korva coleman. Despite growing concerns of an economic slowdown worldwide president trump says he does not see a recession hitting the u._s. N._p._r.'s emma bowman has more speaking to reporters as he left his new jersey estate on his way back to washington. Trump said he is optimistic nick. I don't think we're having a recession. We're doing tremendously well. Our consumers the rich i gave a tremendous tax cut and they're loaded up with money. Economists are not as confident president last week. The stock market posted its worst drop of the year investors took note of an inverted yield curve where long-term yields fall below short-term yields a rare occasion that historically has signaled a looming recession trump repeated his call for the fed to lower interest rates. I'm bowman n._p._r. News washington vice president. Mike pence visits michigan today to speak at the detroit economic club. He's expected to highlight trump administration economic make efforts and how they benefit small and large businesses pence's visit had been rescheduled from an earlier one it was postponed after the mass shootings in dayton handle adele paso a federal judge is giving the go-ahead to a trump administration rule that prohibits federal funding to organizations that counsel patients about abortion n._p._r. Ceremony cameron reports planned parenthood is threatening to withdraw from the title ten program within days. Planned parenthood has been part of titled ten since it began in the early nineteen seventies as a program that pays for services like s._t._d.'s screenings in contraception. The organization says it serves about forty percent of the programs recipients nationwide nationwide the new trump regulations block titled ten funding for any organization that provides or refers patients for abortion groups that oppose abortion rights have called for redirecting those funds to public health centers and two groups that council women against abortion planned parenthood argues that the rule interferes with the doctor patient relationship and officials say they will withdraw from title ten rather than comply sarah mccamman n._p._r. News the top peace negotiator says the peace process should be accelerated in in the wake of and islam estate bombing in afghanistan. The kabul attack killed sixty three people and wounded. One hundred eighty two others jennifer glass is in kabul zelma helios odds is a swifter peace process including inter-afghan talks will put afghanistan in a better position to fight isis so far only the u._s. and the taliban have been at the negotiating table not the elected government. The taliban considers it a puppet of the u._s. And it's not clear the group will work with the government anytime soon jennifer glass last reporting a disputed irani tanker ship has finally left port in gibraltar six weeks after it was impounded by british authorities. The british accused iran of trying to break break international sanctions and sell oil syria before the tanker left gibraltar the u._s. had tried to claim it. You're listening to n._p._r. Louisiana's first female governor kathleen blanco has died of complications of cancer. She was seventy six blanco. A democrat had held louisiana's top. I'm john from two thousand four to two thousand eight including during hurricane katrina which killed hundreds of people blanco served in other state government offices for decades and began her teacher as a rather her career as a high school teacher. A live action retelling of the disney animated film lawn has become a flash point in ongoing protests in hong kong. N._p._r.'s emily fang reports that controversy began after the movie's lead actor sat on social media that she opposed the hong kong protests the casting view e fe as milan was celebrated among asian american media circles now hong kong pro-democracy protesters demanding a boycott of the movie which is scheduled to premiere in march. That's because last week muse chinese social media. I support the hong kong police. You can beat me. All you like a viral slogan. Being i used to express solidarity with beijing homes protests against an extradition mill to china have morphed into wider demands for true democracy an inquiry into police brutality against protestors. The city's shutdown twice last week by demonstrations after numerous protesters were seriously injured by police including one woman who lost her eye. Emily chang n._p._r. News beijing a regional african economic group is calling on other countries to drop their economic boycotts of zimbabwe saying they're hurting people people. This comes as reuters news agency reports. Zimbabwean troops are in cities to make sure a ban on protests is enforced. This is n._p._r.

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"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm korva coleman. Despite growing concerns of an economic slowdown worldwide president trump says he does not see a recession hitting the u._s. N._p._r.'s emma boom reports speaking to reporters as he left his new jersey estate on his way back to washington. Trump said he is optimistic. I don't think we're having a recession. We're doing tremendously well. Our consumers rich. I gave a tremendous tax cut and they're loaded up with money. Economists are not as confident didn't last week. The stock market posted its worst drop of the year. Investors took note of an inverted yield curve where long-term yields fall below. Hello short-term yields a rare occasion. That historically has signaled a looming recession. Trump repeated his call for the fed to lower interest rates. I'ma bowman n._p._r. News washington planned parenthood is indicating it will withdraw from the federal government's titled ten program this offer services such as contraceptives to low income some people but the trump administration has imposed new rules that take effect today n._p._r. Sarah mccain says these bar any group that either provides abortions or refers. I women for abortion in most cases from receiving federal support. They say all providers of reproductive healthcare through titled ten just need to comply with the rule and stopped op either performing abortions or referring patients for them if they want to stay in the program h._h._s. said in a statement last week that planned parenthood his quote actually choosing to place a higher priority on the ability to refer for abortion instead of continuing to receive federal funds to provide a broad range of acceptable and effective family. Planning methods and services is to clients in need of these services so the rule is a big victory though for opponents of abortion rights. You've pushed for a long time to cut all public funds to planned parenthood n._p._r. Serra mccamman groups such as planned parenthood that support abortion rights say this is a gag rule because doctors under it won't be able to help women who are seeking abortion pakistan pakistan says two elderly men have been killed by indian troops who fired across the line that divides kashmir between the two countries it comes after pakistan accused used india of killing four soldiers in exchanges of fire last week. N._p._r.'s diaa hadid prepared this report from islamabad the pakistani foreign office this quivalent to the state department said it summoned the indian deputy high commissioner over the shooting of the two men often exchanges of fire between indian and pakistani troops but tensions have been heightened since fifth. That's when india scaled back the autonomy of the pot of kashmir it controls pakistan fears that move will weaken in its claim to the territory since then pakistan has halted its modest trade with india. It's cancelled trains that go across the border. It's banned indian movies and shows and the country has tried to appeal global powers to mediate an end to the dispute d._n._a. Dade n._p._r. News islam abud this is n._p._r. The indian government says nearly two hundred schools in kashmir will reopen today but students may have trouble getting to class because curfew restrictions persist in many areas of the disputed himalayan territory sushmita paddock reports from mumbai school is in kashmir have been shut since august fifth when new delhi snapped communication indication lines and put thousands of troops on the streets there it did that right before announcing it was revoking the state semi autonomous status on friday the government and said it would begin restoring phone and internet services and relaxed the co few but over the weekend restrictions were back in many areas of srinigar kashmir's means city after clashes between protesters and security forces some of the skull measures involved stone pelting by protesters and troops using tear gas and the government says the restrictions are required to prevent terrorist attacks but critics say there a way to cope descent for n._p._r. News ambush mita partic in by a regional african economic group is calling calling on countries to drop their economic boycotts of zimbabwe. The southern african development community says these are hurting people louisiana's first female governor. Kathleen blanco has died of complications of cancer. She was seventy six years old blanco. A democrat held louisiana's top op jump from two thousand four two thousand eight that included during hurricane katrina the storm killed hundreds of people and displaced hundreds of thousands of others blanco served and other state government offices for decades and began her career as a high school teacher. I'm korva coleman n._p._r. News in washington.

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Rebecca Solnit  Falling Together

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51:34 min | 11 months ago

Rebecca Solnit Falling Together

"And is brought to you by the John Templeton Foundation. Harnessing the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing humankind to learn more subscribe to their newsletter possibilities and discover the Work Templeton supports on topics from curiosity and kindness to evolution black holes and the origins of life sign up at Templeton Dot. Org forward slash possibilities. Rebecca solnit describes her vision as a writer like this to describe nuances and shades of meaning to celebrate public life and solitary life to find another way of telling. She is a contributing editor to Harper's magazine and the author of profound books that defy category. She's emerged as one of our great chroniclers of untold histories of redemptive. Change in places like post Hurricane Katrina New Orleans. She writes that so often when all the ordinary divides and patterns are shattered. People step up to become their brothers keepers and that purposefulness and connectedness bring joy even amidst death chaos fear and loss. I want better metaphors. I want better stories. I want more openness. I want better questions. All these things feel like they give us tools that are a little more commensurate with amazing possibilities and the terrible reality that we face. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being Rebecca sonnets. Books include a paradise built in. Hell hope in the dark and a new collection of essays. The mother of all questions. She was born in Bridgeport Connecticut and moved with her parents to the San Francisco Bay area. When she was young I spoke with her in two thousand sixteen. I usually start my conversations with an inquiry about the spiritual background of your childhood. And however you would define that and you know as I look it the sweep of your writing. I see so many elements that that to me are profoundly spiritual along sense of time or robust commitment to hope you describe your childhood in in so many ways. I mean in one place you know your words use a scrawny battered little kid a violent house and I. I wonder how you would think about that. Notion of this virtual back out of your childhood and it occurs to me that perhaps some of these things are were seated by absence As much as by presence. I think that's true and when you ask that question what comes to mind is kind of a map of where most of my childhood took place. I wrote somewhere that I had an insight out childhood because every place was safe but home if you went just just another side of the backyard. Fence was a quarter horse. Stud farm and dairy farms and open space and the landscape in the animals domestic and wild. Were this huge refuge. Really Fed me and encouraged me and there was a sense of community with the non human and so that was if you went north even just to the other side of the fence and beyond just endless open space and oak trees and grasslands and while my then if you went south there was really great public library in the minute. I learn how to read as though he'd been given this huge treasure. Every book was a box I suddenly knew how to open in it. I could meet people go to other worlds go deep in all kinds of ways and I spent my childhood. You know in the hills and in the books and those so that was not maybe what people think of conventionally spirituality but that was my company. My encouragement my teaching got my community. Let's lovely So you know the sweep of your work is wonderful in its daunting as an interviewer but I actually thought I would start with I just love to have a conversation with you about this piece. That was in Harper's not that long ago about I can't remember the title of it but it's you know it was extensively about the choice not to have children. Oh Yeah. The mother called the mother of all question mother of all questions. And part of what you were reflecting on or a jumping off point for your was was the fact that people are so curious about that and in fact so presumptuous about it And I think you make the case very quickly that it's a valid and life choice not to have children but but in fact the peace like so much of what you write becomes a reflection on kind of the vast expanse of what it what it is to be alive and so so. There's this you know you said people log onto motherhood is a key feminine identity in part from the belief that children are the best way to fulfil your capacity to love even though the list monstrous ice hearted mothers extensive but there are so many things to love besides one's own offspring so many things that need love so much other work love has to do in the world Exact right and you say you know. I love this phrase. There's so much other work love has to do in the world. I just feel like that's so worth just putting out in public life and reflecting on. Yeah and it's partly you know. We kind of over emphasized this very specific zone of lava as though we've we've sort of hyper mapped in an obsessed about an joan lights on it and things and then there's this whole other territory of relationships to the larger world in particular into public life to you know I hang out with a lot of climate activists and there's this profound love they have for the natural world for sure for justice and and that really shapes lives and gives them tremendous meaning and benefits all of us that they have this. And that this motivates them because they're acting on behalf of all of us and we should call that love and we should get that love right. It's a passionate absolutely absolutely. It's just you know it's ferocious in. Its present is the way that mother love can be and if anything's going to save the planet it's that love and it's like but mostly we don't even acknowledge that it exists and so we have these blank spots on the map of who we are and I want to try and fill those encourage people to go there to recognize that. Actually their lives can't take place are already taking place there and that this will give them this bigger sense of self. Yeah so a lot of the themes that run through your work the things you care about I WANNA say they're kind of outliers in terms of what we know how to talk about in public certainly intellectual circles right and so so maybe let's talk about hope because I think hope is one of those I can talk about hope till I think has come home but I just yeah. I want to start somewhere. You write that your fascination with this maybe you you begin to articulate your fascination with this when you registered your emotions the emotions of others in response to the nineteen eighty nine earthquake in San Francisco and and my sense. Is that what you how you respond? Who so others respond. It was not perhaps what you would have expected the amazing thing about the one thousand nine hundred nine earthquake. It was an earthquake as big as the kind that killed thousands of people and places like Turkey and Mexico City and things like that but partly because we have good infrastructure about fifty people died. A number of people lost their homes. Everybody was shaken up. But what was so interesting for me. It was that people seemed to kind of love what was going on and when I'd ask people or when it would come up in conversation because for years afterwards around here would be like. Oh where were you at five? Oh two or is it five? Oh Three PM on October Seventeenth Nineteen eighty-nine and people would get this expression that I later ran into when I visited Halifax Nova Scotia after a big hurricane there when I talked and then eventually I did a whole book on this mysterious emotion. People would light up and like everything. We've been told about disaster by trashy Hollywood Disaster Movies Charlton Heston and Tom Cruise. Everything about the news is that you know is that human beings are fragile. Disasters are terrible in why they're terrified because we're fragile or morality is also fragile and we revert to our best deal. Savage Social Darwinist Hobson Nature and go out raping and looting. Those myths became a secondary disaster worse than the hurricane that hit New Orleans on August. Twenty ninth two thousand and five. Because that's why it was. The city was shut off. Turn into a prison city. Why the police were shooting black people in the back. Why people were not allowed to evacuate and supplies were not Allowed in while people were dying of exposure and lack of medication in etc. You know so. That was part of where? I got hopeful and then also in a larger sense one of the things. I'm really interested in is. What are the stories we tell? And what are the consequences and are there other ways of telling other ways other stories that don't get told Yes yes and hopefulness is really for me is not optimism that everything's GonNa be fine and we can just sit back. And that's too much like pessimism. Which is everything's GonNa suck and we can just sit back. Hope for me just means a Buddhist sense of uncertainty of coming to terms with the fact that we don't know what will happen and that there's maybe womb for us to intervene and now we have to let go of the certainty. People seem to love more than hope and and know that. We don't know what's going to happen. And we live in a very surprising world where nobody anticipated the way the Berlin Wall would fall the Arab spring would rise up the impact of occupy Wall Street. Do you know what Obama was unelectable. Six months before he was elected people. But I wonder as you just described that just then I mean what you said you know in those moments of disaster of crisis we come face to face with the reality that that unexpected things will happen as you said that life is surprising in good ways and bad. That's just true. But but is there. Is there something life-giving even energizing about people actually having to face those bedrock realities in those moments? Yeah and there's a way. A disaster throws people into the president and sort of gives them the supersaturated immediacy that also includes a deep sense of connection. It's as though in some violent gift. You've been given a kind of spiritual awakening where you're close to mortality. In a way that makes you feel more alive. You're deeply and the president can let go of past and future and your personal narrative in some ways you have shared experience with everyone around you and you often find very direct but also metaphysical sensitive connection to the people you suddenly have something in common with and then oftentimes the people who do the really important work in disasters Which doesn't get talked about much are the neighbors who's GonNa rescue you when you're building when the ice storm comes in the power goes out. It's probably going to be the neighbors and so the question is really like two things one is. How can we get there without going through a disaster questions Matt and I think that is kind of like this funny way like the the earthquake? Shakes you awake. And then that's sort of the the big spiritual question. How do you stay awake? How do you stay in that deeper? Consciousness of that present mindedness that sense of non separation and compassion and engagement and courage which also a big part of it in generosity. People are not selfish and greedy so another question is why has everything we've ever been told about. Human Nature misled us about what happens in these moments. And what happens if we acknowledge as I think people in the kind of work that neuro psychologists and the delay llamas research projects and economists are beginning to say like? What human everything we've been talking about. Human Nature is wrong and we're actually very generous communitarian altruistic beings who are distorted by the system. We're in but not made happy by it. What if we could actually be better people in a better world I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today with the writer historian and activist Rebecca Solnit. A story I have always loved that to me. Dorothy Day just feel like it's quoted all the time more and more I some she somehow she's really come to the forefront of of consciousness. And you do write about in your book. A Paradise Built in hell which I love so much you know. You're right about the San Francisco earthquake of April Eighteenth. Ninety six which killed three thousand people and annihilated the center the city as you say in in shattered this hundred mile stretch but Dorothy Day was in Oakland. She's eight years old. She watches this thing. That in someplace you describe as you say yes. People fall apart but in disaster. There's also this falling together that we don't chronicle and she the question she asked. Was You know she saw to me? This is me looking at the. She saw that people were capable of this that all along. They knew how to do this right to take care excessively and she said. Why can't we live this way all the time? No that is her formative experience? She said while the disaster lasted people loved one. Another and Dorothy. Day is such a key figure for that book both because the earthquake becomes a spiritual awakening and kind of the template for what she perceives in her life and because she somebody who had a partner and a child in you know she kept the child but she gave up family life for this larger sense of communities you pursuit as the founder of Catholic worker. You know and she tweeted poverty as the disaster in which she would create this kind of communitize. This deeper broader hire more spiritual sense of community than private life had offered her. And she's so interesting as somebody who renounces it directly and connects this other said so directly disaster. Yeah and and you know you talk about in all the places you looked and in your own circle as you were in that disaster management of there's there's virtue that arises and that there's a joy there's a hope and joy and was thinking about that phrase of hers the duty of delight right so it's not so yes. There's she makes sacrifices that that seem. That would seem extreme in the context of most of our lives but that joy was also something she claimed and hung onto. Joy is such an interesting term because we hear constantly about happiness. Are you happy here? And it's you know. Emotions are mutable and this notion that happiness should be a steady state seems to Stein to make people miserable enjoy is so much more interesting because I think we're much more aware that it's like the light at sunrise or the lightning or something that it's a tiffany unease in moments in raptures and that is not supposed to be a steady state and that's okay and it says. I think it's a word that comes up a lot more and spiritual life than happiness that as little stone happiness you. You draw a connection Often between I would say the reasonableness of hope and the reality of darkness. Which you would you. Would you say something about that? Why really wants to rescue darkness from the pejoratives because it's also associated with dark skinned people and those pejoratives often become racial in ways that I find problematic so I wrote a book called hope in the dark about hope where that that darkness was the future? You know that we the present then passed daylight than the future is night but in that darkness is kind of mysterious cerotic enveloping sense of possibility and communion. Love is made in the dark and often is not and to recognize that on a no ability as fertile as rich as the womb rather than the two in some sense. And do you know and so much for me of hope is not as saying not optimism that everything will be fine but that we don't know what will happen? Ah Guest of yours whose name I'm going to mispronounce Walter Brueggemann. Yes yes the Yellow Jen of the Prophets. Yeah Yeah and I listened to his interview and he talked about how much hope is grounded in memory. No so excited to hear someone say that you know we think of hope is looking forward but memory. Let's snow if we have a real memory that we don't we didn't know we didn't know the Berlin Wall was gonNA fall in the Soviet Union was GONNA fall apart. And the binary arrangement those of us who are older grew up in where it seemed like capitalism and communism and the Cold War standoff was going to last for centuries you know if you study history deeply You realize that to quote Patti Smith. People have the power that popular power civil society has been tremendously powerful and has changed the world again and again and again that we are not powerless. That things are very unpredictable. And that people have often taken on things that seemed hopeless freeing the slaves getting women the vote you know an achieved those things and I feel like so much of what were burdened. By his bad stories both people have amnesia. Who Don't remember that. The president was constructed by certain forces to serve certain elements and can be constructed and you know that things could be very different that they have been very different. That things are always changing and that we have agency in that change and one of the simple examples. I often go back to. Is that when you and I were small to be a gay or lesbian or otherwise. Something other than standard heterosexual is to be considered mentally ill or criminal or both now hunted. Accordingly and to go from there to national same sex marriage rights is an unimaginable journey. You know it's and it's a lot of my hopeful stuff is about is trying to look at the immeasurable incalculable. Indirect roundabout way that Things matter. Yeah my friend David. Graeber has a wonderful passage about how the Russian revolution succeeded but not really in Russia it terrified or at least motivated leaders in Europe and North America and elsewhere to make enormous concessions to the rights of porn workers and really furthered economic justice. In other places if you can say that a revolution was successful but not in the country it took place in then you can start to trace these indirect impacts after a short break more with Rebecca. Solnit you can always listen again and here the unedited version of every show we do on the on. Being podcast feed wherever podcasts are found support for on being with Krista Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives a powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves others and the natural world learn more by visiting Fetzer Dot. Org I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today. I'm with Rebecca Solnit. Her writing celebrates the unpredictable and incalculable events that so often redeem our lives both solitary and public. I spoke with her two thousand sixteen. They had this wonderful sentence that history is like the weather not like checkers. Do you talk about you know. There's another sometimes. Cause and effect are centuries apart sometimes. Martin Luther King's arc of the moral universe that bends towards justice so so long few seats curve sometimes hope lies not in looking forward backward to study the line of that arc. It's an UNAMERICAN way of thinking but it's an essential way I think to inhabit this century in particular. I there used to be products advertised in comic books and things instant results guaranteed or your money back if disappointment is your goal. That's a surefire recipe for it. I'm for example. Occupy Wall Street was pronounced a failure before it had really gotten going and You know at one point. There were occupies in New Zealand in Japan and Europe and California alone. There were about four hundred occupies at the peak in late. Two thousand eleven and they dispersed as these encampments and people in which people have these extraordinary dialogues and the impact of those dialogues is hard to measure. But you can look at Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren has Bill de Blasios of New York the Mayor of New York as people who are kind of carrying those frameworks into the stream and into electoral politics. And you can also look at both national things the movement against Punitive student dead and I mean you know I feel like what you're you're kind of you're drawing a map and it's a different kind of map than we came out of the twentieth century in our heads with which is about how social change happens. I think maybe the image people Go to default way is kind of you know. Maybe the civil rights movement simplified large numbers of people on the street a charismatic leader and laws get passed right in that moment to let me. Let me ask you this so because one I very much appreciated your writing about Hurricane Katrina and in the in the world after Hurricane Katrina and this is one of these places where we've told the story in a certain way and we end even from the very beginning. The story was narrated and presented in a way that was Largely disin- credibly demoralizing. If you met someone you know say a Martian who who had was not here and had never heard of this. How would you tell start to tell the fullness of that story of Hurricane Katrina what happened to this city called New Orleans and how that history is still being made now? You're I should say that all my work on disaster draws from these wonderful disastrous geologist. Who had this do this? Incredible work documenting. What happens in disasters and have since World War Two you? I'm kind of their popularizer. And people like Kathleen tyranny and but and they they say there's no such thing as a natural disaster meaning that you know an earthquake hits buildings that fall on you so like. What ARE THE BUILDING CODES? Who LIVES IN SUB-STANDARD HOUSING Who Lives on the Flood Plain? Who GETS EVACUATED? Who GETS LEFT BEHIND? What happened to New Orleans is that the levees failed about seven eighths of the city flooded? Meaning that you know. A lot of it was from a few feet to fifteen feet or more deep in water and just all systems failed and some hospitals were able to run on generators. There was a supposedly. You know what there was what was called a mandatory evacuation but people who didn't have the resources to evacuate were left behind to face what happened. So that's the setup for that creates a disaster. You know in Cuba. When there's a mandatory evacuation receives distance. They need to evacuate. So it's kind of laws as fair every man for himself system left. What were often portrayed as you the criminal element it was a lot of poor woman single. Moms with kids a lot of elderly people and a lot of the guys who got portrayed as gangsters and things were the wonderful rescuers and You'll these really able bodied young guys. Who did amazing things? Then things happen like they basically get sealed off you can walk out of the central city to dry land but the sheriff of a suburb called Gretna in his thugs. Get on the bridge with guns and turn people back at gunpoint. You cannot walk out of New Orleans to dry land. So you're trapped like you're a prisoner essentially and that was because of the narrative they were working off in terms of who these people were. Yeah well the you know. All the cliches that surfaced in the nineteen o six earthquake all the crap about human nature about how we all were especially poor people especially non white people how we revert to our our savage social darwinist nature were aired and the mainstream media and this includes the New York Times in the Washington Post and CNN. And you know The Guardian. All the major news outlets it wasn't where the unindicted co-conspirators always say they start publishing all this garbage about how there's mass killings in the superdome and that which is believed so much that that The Federal Emergency Management Agency sends like a gigantic tractor trailer refrigerated truck to get what turns out to be six bodies not the two hundred that are supposed to be there. There's all these stories that people are shooting helicopters so you can't have helicopter rescues. And so they melt campaign not to treat suffering human beings and bring them resources but to reconquer the city Kathleen Blanco. The governor of Louisiana said we have troops fresh from Iraq and they have M16's that are locked and loaded and they know how to use them. It's like that is not a humanitarian effort you know. M16's are not how you help that. Grandmother Dying on the roof and the some of those grandmothers died and so people were not a victim of a hurricane. There were a victim of the stories of the media's failures of the failures of the government from the every scale from the city of New Orleans that left prisoners locked in flooded jails to the federal government and so that political failures but behind those politics or stories. And what's interesting? Is that a lot of people. Believe those stories and you know we often treat stories like they're very trivial. You know like their story. Our for kids are that people live and die by stories you know and people died a vicious stories in New Orleans and everybody could have been evacuated in twenty four hours everybody could have been evacuated beforehand and the stories. You also tell that we don't hear which were life-giving You know that. In the immediate aftermath more than two hundred thousand people invite displaced strangers into their homes through hurricane housing dot org which I never heard about that. The massive number of people who went to New Orleans went to the Gulf coast to help rebuild that was like the freedom summer in Mississippi magnified a thousand fold. So there's also that that taking place and those lives one at a time and there was trump. From the very minute it all began there was tremendous altruism end. The first round of rescuers were people who are themselves inside the city who got boats or did other things to rescue people who came together and buildings at weren't damaging form little communities and took care of the neural but there are these extraordinary stories and people really that impulse to help is so powerful and they talk they call it disaster convergence and often becomes a problem where you remember after nine eleven people lined up around the country to give blood. People really want to help. And that's that's who we are and You know New Orleans for years after it had all these people per church groups and I saw amazing Mennonite builders rebuilding houses and habitat for humanity. And I kind of loved. It was the whole spectrum from Catholic charities to the Mennonites to pretty radical anarchists and People working with common ground which was founded by Black Panthers and young white supporters and became a project that did a lot of different things and not all worked out perfectly but some of it was amazing and became a really a part of the conversation but they founded the first really good clinic for people who needed emergency care who needed their diabetes medicine or their tetanus shot her their wound disinfected and that split off into common ground clinic which is still going strong more than ten years later. And that's the kind of indirect consequences that I find so interesting to trace is that you're saying that came out of Katrina alternate will every day right so you know. We talked a little while ago about about love. And your idea that love has so many other things to do in the world aside from these silos of loving our families and loving our children So if I ask you what story. You're people come to mind if if you think about the word love as a practical muscular public thing in New Orleans ten years after Hurricane Katrina like quad comes to mind for you. I'm so many things it's really magical place like people. People have deep connections in New Orleans. I've tried to explain that people in New Orleans and Katrina lost things that most of us hadn't had for generations. A lot of people lived a neighborhood where they knew hundreds of people. They knew everybody who live near them. They might have extended family. They might be like fats domino. Who's born in a house in the lower ninth ward delivered by his grandmother? You know people live in their grandparents houses. They have these deep roots and wide branches and they engage in public celebration. They talk to strangers and do you know they. It's deeply dynasty in place and with the second line parades all forty something Sundays. A year not just carnival not just Mardi Gras and now. It's a profoundly spiritual place so all these things are part of the place and You know so. They're already really rich. But a lot of people after Katrina felt like okay. We really have to engage to keep this place alive. And there's a real rise and civic engagement you know and a number of institutions around Justice and policing were reformed. The police were actually taken over by the federal government because it was the most corrupt and incompetent police department in the United States. They got a semi decent mayor for a change. After a lot of corruption particularly from Ray Nagin who went to jail for it the mayor during and after Katrina and people really started to dream. Big about okay here. We are on the fastest eroding coastline in the world in a city. That's partly below sea level in an era of climate change increasing storms and rising waters. How do we adapt? And people are having this really exciting conversation about rethinking this city and how waterworks in the city building systems of survival. And again this is all disasters like the storm was horrible it killed about eighteen hundred people displaced a lot of black people who are never able to come back an impacted the continuity and mental health of the community but it did create this engagement. And this really creative planning of the future in New Orleans Mart of just as gentle decline without Katrina and it's Kinda incubator now. Isn't it kind of a? Yeah Yeah and a lot of the young people. These young idealists who moved there you know fell in love with the place in state and it's complicated. Some of them are the white kids who are gentrifying traditionally black neighborhoods but there are also some not all white and they are people who are bringing a passion for Urban Planning Community Gardens. You know for thinking about these social ecological systems and the place is very energized right now in new ways and it has retained Quite a lot of not all of the energy had I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being today with writer historian and activist Rebecca Solnit. I spoke with her during the two thousand. Sixteen presidential election seems to me that that story New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina becomes just an extreme example of a larger Rio to UC. And so. Here's something you wrote. So beautifully stated in fact each one of US individually if we if we stop to take part has a story of a million events or actions or people without which we would not be and you wrote trace it far enough and this very moment in your life becomes a rare species the result of a strange delusion a butterfly that should already be extinct and survived by the inexplicable. As we call coincidence. Yeah and it's also about unpredictability of our lives and that ground for hope I talk about that. We don't know what forces are at work. What who and what is going to appear what thing we may not have even noticed may have discounted that will become a tremendous force in our lives people in this cultural of certainty so much and they seem to love certainty more than hope and which is why they often sees on these really kind of bitter despondent narratives. That are they know exactly what's going to happen and that's certainties. Seem so tragic to me. I want people to tell more complex. Stories that slim's we win and that there are these openings but an opening is just an opening you have to go through it and make something happen and you don't always win but if you try you don't always lose. You don't always win but I I think I you know I come back to your idea. That history is like an in fact. Our lives are like the weather not like checkers. So so your point which actually is I would say is the kind of complexity that I think theology at its best imposes that you walk through the openings and perhaps you don't win that battle or you don't see the result you hoped for perhaps you you outright lose but the complex way you're wanting to tell the stories of reality in our lives. Is that whatever we do there? There are always consequences that that we don't control and can't see and calculate but they matter they count the game involved with loves to say and I'm getting it's from Fu Cohen. I'm getting it wrong that that we know what we do. We know why we do it but we don't know what we do does and I love that. Sense that You know we don't. We don't know consequences you know we can we can learn and surmise and a lot of what matters is indirect non linear. And he's like even checkers seems too sophisticated and complex for the metaphor used bowling. Where people are like are they? We knocked all the pins down with this bowling ball. You know where we had a gutter ball and nothing happened and it's like you know my Wonderful Environmentalists Friend Chipboard Ward. Likes to talk about the tyranny of the quantifiable. And I've been using that phrase of his about fifteen years and it is a kind of tyranny. I think and it does get mystical where you have to look at. What's not quantifiable? Martin Luther King assassinated in nineteen sixty eight a comic book about how civil disobedience works was distributed during the civil rights movement gets translated into Arabic and distributed in Egypt and becomes one of the immeasurable forces that help feed the Arab spring which is five years old right now and most of it doesn't look that good but they did overthrow a bunch of regimes and the French Revolution. Didn't really look very good. Five years out I was saying day. Yeah and You it's so important that you point that out that and also revolution when these these things are messy and they take generations and we forget that and we're already like calling it as a loss and it's absurd really it's absurd. Yeah and you know what? I think that they're really good. Good points to be made that for example that that overthrowing a dictator is nice but you need democratic institutions in Egypt. For example the the military was a power. That didn't go away. And you need to not just have that amazing moment in the streets and that rupture but you need to have an ongoing engagement with transforming the system and making it accountable but what happened mattered nevertheless and I think for people many people in the Middle East just as sense that it's not inevitable that we live in authoritarianism. We're not powerless. And I think of Alexander Dubcek You know the hero of the Prague Spring of Nineteen Sixty eight which was crashed playing a role in the nineteen eighty-nine revolution liberated. That countries are true. Yeah Yeah and You know I want better metaphors. I want better stories. I want more openness. I want better questions. All these things feel like they give tools that are a little more commensurate with the amazing possibilities and the terrible realities that we face and what we get given so often are just these kind of clumsy inadequate tools. They they don't help they don't open things up. They don't shed light they don't lead is to interesting places they don't let us know how powerful we can be. They don't help us ask the questions that really matter and that start with rejecting the narratives were told him telling our own stories becoming the storyteller rather than the person who's told what to do Much kind of a comrade in your your reverence for something called public life and it which I think. We've narrowly acquainted with political life in recent generations. But kind of opening that language. Up More. You've said you know public life enlarges you gives you purpose and context I want to come to this data. This idea that maybe this is. This analogy is more apt by the. I mean we're in the middle of this This presidential election year which is so Confusing messy and. There's a lot of anger in the room and Or my going with this. You know you you talk. I don't want to compare it to a natural disaster but you know you said I think in my mind like like in the middle of a natural disaster. There's this joy that rises up so on the one hand we have this spectacle of. I think let's just say I think I can safely say this. A presidential elections which is not what any of us how any of US would want to be perhaps But tell me. Where are you taking joy in public life right now and that that might have nothing to do with politics? I Yeah I totally agree. We need a broader sense of public life that it's a sense of belonging to a place by which I mean the physical place. The trees the birds the winter the coastline or painful considered the for the farms as well as the people and institutions. And it's one of the reasons I love New Orleans. People really engaged with each other in every day and we're sometimes living in the bay area. It feels like women's Ambi- movie everybody's walking around in a trance during at their phone. And nobody's you know in the private world your phone opens onto and But it's funny because the way you describe it because I think there's a kind of self forgetfulness in a sense of having something in common that brings joy when it comes in disaster and of course the presidential election is the exact opposite it's partisanship in this sort of deep attachment to I'm right and you're wrong in this squabbling so put that aside. Because I think that's not very toy full for you or me. But where are you? Where are you finding joy in public life right now? Where do you WANNA look in terms of the larger narrative of like who we are and what we're capable of what this moment you haven't talk about? You say whenever I look around me. I wonder what old things are about to bear fruit. What seemingly solid institutions might soon rupture and what seeds we might now be planting. Who's harvest come at some unpredictable moment in the future? So where where are you looking right now with intrigue you knows Climate Movement. Which was this kind of embryonic ineffectual. Sing ten years ago and I was in Paris for the climate conference. Then it's global it's powerful it's brilliant. It's innovative and like remarkable. Things are happening and real real transformations ten years ago. We we didn't even have the energy options you know. We didn't really have good alternatives to fossil fuel. The way we do now as Scotland heads towards one hundred percent fossil free energy generation as all. These remarkable things happen so we're really in an energy revolution that's an evolution of a revolution of consciousness. About how things work and how connected they are and You know this incredible kind of war if the world against the fossil fuel corporate corporations. It's very effective. But that's that's the pragmatic side. What I also see these deep connections between people in North America and Africa the Pacific the Philippines Asia. You know this global movement. It's really coming of age and it has a kind of profound beauty. Not In only some of the individuals. I'm friends with doing great things but a kind of beauty of creativity of passion of real love for the vulnerable populations at sneak for the world. The natural world for the sense of systems in order on the natural order of weather. The weather patterns sea levels Things like winter. I think he's really. Yeah Yeah win winter as a winter and spring as it used to be where the bird migrations happened right. You know in coordination with these flowers blooming in these insects hatching etcetera. I'm what we what we recognize when we address. Climate Change. Is this infinite complexity that has a beautiful kind of order to it and it's falling into disorder and so is the the love the intelligence the passion the creativity of that movement is one and there's many other things I could say but right now. That's just so exciting and it's negotiating its negotiating and this is what hope is about for me. It's not saying like Oh we can pretend that that everything's going to be fine and we'll fix it on. It'll be as though it never happened. It's really saying like the difference. Between the best case. Scenario and the worst case scenario is where these people in the Philippine survive where these people in the Arctic are able to keep sending of their way of life. And we're GONNA do everything. We can to fight for the best case rather than the worst case without illusions without thinking that we're going to make it all magically okay in like it never happened and so that tough mindedness also really beautiful that pragmatic idealism. That tough-minded hope hope is tough. It's tougher to be uncertain and certain it's tougher to take chances than to be safe and You know and so hope is softened seen as weakness because it's vulnerable but it takes strength to enter into that vulnerability of being open to the possibilities. I'm interested in what gives people that strength. And you know what story's what questions what memories wet conversations what sense of themselves and the world around them. We've run out or we'll we're just over about a minute. I just want to ask you one. Last question Just it's a huge question. But just where would you start thinking about this? Like how is your sense of what it means to be human Evolving right now as you right and as we speak like what contours is that taking on that. Perhaps you wouldn't have expected ten years ago or or when you were fifteen and miserable. Yeah Yeah you know. I was really isolated kid and my brothers. Tease me when I did girl thinks I wasn't very good at girl thinks I wasn't very good at connecting to other girls and I was just the weird kid with her nose in a book and stuff I have like. I have really wonderful people around me and really deep connections and that's incredibly satisfying and you know. It's all kind of amazing. I think a lot of us wish you could send postcards to your miserable teenage cell. I always thought that it gets better campaign for Queer kids like you know should be broadened because it gets better for a lot of us. I my mother and her ever unencouraging way when I want. Some big prize said this is all such surprise. The little thing but it is kind of surprise and as you know what? It's like to have this ability to participate in Eve. You know and really kind of maybe be helpful to other people to do really meaningful work. It's all just kind of astonishment off. 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Come Sunday

Floodlines

23:31 min | 11 months ago

Come Sunday

"Fred Johnson slept through Katrina on the floor of the grand ballroom of the Hyatt Hotel Room. He and hundreds of people camped out there they shared blue and gold hotel sheets just waiting in the darkness for it all to pass so he wake up the next morning in one thing leads to another said. Well let's go see if we can get out. Fred had been through hurricanes before he wasn't too worried. The place was still standing but the ballroom didn't have windows so he went to take a look outside. It's sunny it's warm and it's it's calm. I'm calm is shit right so we like okay. Maybe I was right. Distinct came in and went out. We GonNA be alright. As far as Fred was concerned. He still had a job to do every year. He and the black men of Labor through that parade on Sunday before Labor Day. It was supposed to be in six days and the Second. Sunday is sacred. He wasn't GonNa let a little hurricane getting away. The second line has to do with slavery New Orleans hand down is probably one of the most African American cities in America. And as you get the Delvin you will understand the level of slave trade. That took place it all the things for loves about the city. Jazz Mardi Gras Gumbo trace back to his ancestors. The enslaved people who built the city back when the French control New Orleans was Catholic. Even the enslaved people had to take the holy day off so on Sundays they would get together so the slaves came from all up and down the river and they made their way to what became Congo Square and in Congo Square. They had a chance to revisit. Sing dance cried. Laugh Talk Exchange Foods because that was the closest thing that brought them back to what they had been taken. From so Sunday became a big deal New Orleans cultural grata moments. Those Fred loved all the pieces of it. He'd mashed Indian been to Mardi gras bald and helped found a social aid and pleasure club but for him. The Sunday parade is where it all comes together. You can just come out your door and get behind his band and go with them from bought a bar and forget about all of the harsh treatment that white people had inflicted on you all of the ugly names that they had called you. There was something in these African American people that you could not kill in. You could not take from them and it was this old. Most Parades Sundays right. Mahalia Jackson and Duke Ellington Sunday Sunday right so Monday. When I go to work no matter how ill I was treated. I know that Sunday was coming. And somebody WHO's going to help parade that morning after Katrina even thinking about throwing a parade might have same ridiculous. The parts of Louisiana Mississippi that were hit directly have been flattened New Orleans supposedly dodged a bullet but the city was still pretty beat up. Fred wanted to go see for himself. He and a friend walked across the street to try and find a ride and there was a lady white woman who was driving a cab same issue work and she said yes so we got in a cab and we go basin to Kaanai by. Fred directed the CAB downriver toward the seventh ward they passed Congo Square. They headed toward the headquarters of the black men of labor. A bar called sweet lorraine's but as we go closer to sweet lorraine's we began to see some water. Not a lot and we go and lake bound. But as I could see in the distance there was something that wasn't moving but it was free and I'm like what is Dad Baghdad. The closest she got from Rome when Joss Street I said. Oh no turnaround. 'cause now I realize it was defy truck and it was stuck in water and you could just see just the top of it so as you get closer to Galveston Miro. The water was getting deeper and deeper and deeper. And if I didn't talk to this woman she's Gonna. Drive was in tennis water. I feel no no no. No turnaround turnaround turnaround turnaround. Now up until then. Fred was determined. Black New Orleans had paraded through slavery Jim Crow and definitely some bad weather but water. That high high enough to cover a fire truck. Fred figured immediately. We got some breaches. He didn't know how many levees had breached how bad it was for the rest of the city. But he did no one thing the first thing that's in my mind is Dan weighing on now. Get the parade. On the now. Part to come Sunday there were over fifty levee breaches in New Orleans area after Katrina putting together the exact reasons the city flooded when and where it did is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle of geography water channels by US and canals. It took a long time for even people who live there. It understand exactly what happened. I'll do my best here okay. So first thing. Louisiana is shaped like a boot the to- dips into the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans is right above it so not on the Gulf but pretty close second thing. Lots of the city is below sea level. The late to the north and the river to the south are both higher than much of the city. People look up to see ships floating by a third thing. There were two big shipping channels around New Orleans. One runs north south from the late to the river. Splits off the lower ninth ward from the rest of the city. It's called the industrial canal. The other one ran to the southeast from the city it connected the industrial canal to the Gulf locals. Called it the Mr Go. So here's what happened. Katrina made landfall southeast of the city. Near where the Mr go connected to the Gulf. It pushed a wall of water ahead of that storm. Surge was funneled through shipping channels toward city. There was so much water that the levees along the Mr go started to fail. Flooding started out in. Saint Bernard a suburban parish to the southeast of the city. The sarge pushed up toward where the Michigan intersects with the industrial canal. When the surge got close or ninth Ward Levees failed in the neighborhoods north side. The water started creeping up. Everybody's vehicles were sitting in my brothers yard. First of all it was coming up to the towers like okay. He got on the door and I'm like Okay Alice. Craft Carney had been too tired from a nursing shift. Charity Hospital to evacuate. She was with family and her brother's House in the lower ninth ward around eight. Am on the west side of the neighborhood. The Industrial Canal Levee gave way to an eighteen feet of water. Went through then. Our cause was submerged. That's when you know we knew the law breached close to the industrial canal. Breach things were catastrophic. The water destroyed. Lots of houses. Did Not others off their foundations. Some floated blocks away. Dozens of people drowned. Survivors were trapped in attics or on route for days. I think the biggest concern that they have is their survivability of these people that are still thousands of homes were flooded completely up to the roof line. It was absolutely amazing. Sight can hear people yelling for help. You Ca- The dogs yelping. All stranded awesome hoping someone will come. Alice was near the river on some of the highest ground in the city. She would say she was blessing. All this the water stopped rising before it got into her brother's house but our own house was out in the east. She knew it was probably underwater. Already I'm thinking I've lost everything. I've lost everything. Because the lower ninth ward is cut off from the rest of the city. By the industrial canal. The flooding there would be contained. Everyone knew that neighborhood was vulnerable to floods after hurricanes in nineteen sixty five hurricane. Betsy overtop tim broken the levees and drown the neighborhood but no living person ever seen uptown underwater. The levies on the river near Lake. Were supposed to be safe but around eleven that Morning Times. Picayune reported March left staying. Got A disturbing call. It must have been so many in the Emergency Management Office. Told me that you know. Hey we have some firefighters who were up on the top floor of an apartment building. It's an apartment building. That's right on the lake. The firefighters on the west side of the city in the well off Lakeview neighborhood. That's where mark lived lakeview was right next to the seventeenth street drainage canal. The canal was designed to drain water out of the city and pump it up to the lake and they looked down and they saw that a piece of the wall had failed in. The lakeview was flooding with water running in continuously from the late. I mean I knew that was in a completely unprecedented. At at that point it was extremely clear to me that my house was going to flood very soon. If it wasn't already underwater if Lakeview was flooding that was a big deal. It meant that most of the city was going underwater. It wouldn't just be black neighborhoods. Not just poor ones either. He'll be white neighborhoods. Wealthy ones city buildings fancy condos. There'd be no stopping. Is it rising very fast in a nice? Well it's rising downtown area and it's rising in the downtown area. But I would describe. This is from a press conference on Tuesday with Governor Kathleen Blanco. Louisiana's two senators Mary. Landrieu and David bitter a full day after the Seventeenth Street levies had breached the talking about the progress of rescue efforts in New Orleans in the huge majority of areas. It's not rising at all. It's the same or it may be lowering slightly in some parts of New Orleans because of the Seventeenth Street bridge. It may be rausing and that seemed to be the case in parts of downtown. I don't want alarm everybody. That New Orleans is filling up like a ball not happening actually. That's exactly what was happening. Thousands of lives were in the ballot after spin. But it wasn't clear that people in charge even knew I had five rescuers. There seems to be fifty thousand people that need rescue. Most were forced to at the time of that press conference. Many streets were only passable by boat the agency that got up there. I with the ones who had them the coastguard and the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and fisheries when the water within hours of landfall but a lot of people just grabbed anything that would float saved each other to rescue boats zig-zagged through flooded streets which had become canal or modest rescue craft manned by volunteers from across the region unloading victims even today. Hundreds and hundreds of people rescued from their rooftops after spending more than twenty four hours on rooftops waiting to be evacuated. They've run out. A Intra May Leeann Williams and her family were also waiting to be rescued. They didn't have power. They went out to try and find supplies. Somebody had broken into the local corner store. I'm obviously had no it ongoing them like my. We have to give food and stuff. Whoever broke in used a post to which the door open. Leeann waited inside. It was dark and full of water. They had chipped float everywhere. Everything and I just you know look. They're walking down the owls watering. I'm just stuff in a bag with food and drinks for us so we have to eat before she went home. Leeann across it a liquor store and grab something else. A novelty pin radio one of those cheap gifts kids that writes and plays music when she got back to Lafitte. The family turned on. We were trying to listen and get a connection on the outside because we didn't have any power she'll be one in five Freddie and Lakefront Freddie. Wwl Monday evening. One of the People Broadcasting was GonNa Rob Burnett the fill in radio host for the talk show on. Wwl after that first night in the closet the team had made a frantic escape through flood waters and drove up the Baton Rouge. They kept broadcasting until calls people still in New Orleans. We've ever go off get. Outta here we we have. We opened the addict. We we punched a hole in addict. We have candles. And we have a little lantern. There we keep on your flashlights. But there's been saying I they're monitoring this all. I can tell you do everything you can to signal the helicopter with pants inaugural of the window the calls in the first. Today's were basically like emergency. Dispatches people called asking for help or looking for lost relatives private. The most joyful moments was how many times we reunited people. Lots of people had evacuated without even knowing where their families were going and somebody calling and see my daughter. We'd put up get a call back. Tell Dad and beer was great but lots of the calls were terrified and there was only so much calling do we fitted home is like fifty six and my baby for months and he had he soaking wet. A running fool and the helicopter has all day long. They would say Crowning Success Geno. The water's coming here with my baby. Nobody's coming and and the the wonderful firefighter boat rescue every time we hear it in the group body head for it the and spent the day listening to the news unfold on the PIN radio. The apartment was dry but the streets around it were filling up with water and we heard it already you and a man was like he was in a panic. I repeat gets a safety gets under superdome. I repeat the nine. Why is under water? The water is rising and gets a safety when the ADS. Mother heard that she panicked. Her sisters liaisons were staying in the Florida. Housing projects in the ninth ward. None of them are their children could swim and nobody could get in touch with them with the water steadily creeping up liens. Mom thought they might be next. She realized couldn't wait around for rescue. They were going to have to save themselves. Hi this is Jeffrey Goldberg. I'm the editor in chief of the Atlantic. This project flood lines is the result of almost a year of reporting by a small but dedicated team journalists. I hope you listen to the whole series and I hope that when you're done you decide what you really need in your life is even more Atlantic journalism for one hundred sixty three years. The journalists at the Atlantic have been producing superior narrative stories about the issues that matter most in the world you can gain unlimited access to all of the Atlantic great stories by subscribing go to the Atlantic Dot Com Slash. Support us to learn more. That's the Atlantic Dot Com slash. Support US thank you very much for listening and now back to flood lines in the Lafitte. Projects Liens MOM is getting anxious. She told the and cousin Ariel to put their shoes on. My Mom's like we're getting out of here for my Stepdad. Then want to leave so the three of them left her stepdad behind and went out on a scouting expedition to see if they can find help. The only way to dry land was a walk up the ramp to the race interstate so we walked out the back door of our house and it was water everywhere. Baked there we walk into the interstate and we just see people everywhere they had lady. She was like in eighties or nineties. They head on a blow obeyed and she was at the foot of the interstate air. She likes she was just hot and worn out and she just had a hand on top of a head and we passed though a letter on the interstate the Yangtze the entire city for the first time in days. I just couldn't believe it like it was water everywhere long as I may name a have hurricanes. I ain't never seen the war on Canal Street and so close to the first quarter like that. That was crazy and we just walking down in the state and as we walked down the interstate. They headed day-by-day right there a day so. I'm just telling us to close our eyes just to keep going. Just keep walking walking. Close our eyes. They saw people everywhere who needed help with no help to be found. Her mom figured the only way to survive was for everyone. Get out that may convincing her. Stepdad. That it was time to go. Then we made back from now. Walk Home S. You had a talk with him. He was ready to go. She named please for those trapped in New Orleans. Ten shelters have been opened including the steel and concrete. Massive Super Tony to twenty five thousand people. It's estimated now have gone to the superdome as we're expecting upwards of twenty thousand to thirty thousand people inside the Superdome here if you want to be rescued Goto the superdome the superdome of the official refuge of last resort all the families that behind for most people the only way to get there after the storm walking on the raise interstate above the flood water. The anselme joined hundreds of others who are making the same journey at thank took my shoes off because they were so can wait and I remember me stepping on something. She stepped on something sharp with a barefoot in cut my feet bay so everybody had to stop because I had blood everywhere and it was hiding everybody at the stop because my feet was cut opus. Obey the end was limping now. Waited rat infested waters. Pass a dead body up and over the city and all devastation. It was hot over ninety degrees and humid but her family kept going eventually. They ran into a guy who was pushing cooler. He's saying ice cream. Ice Cream is ice cream. Cold drank some water. Come on baby. Get y'all something to drink in new Yo- you know Thursday and so and so. The family stood in the sun on the interstate. They looked out over the flooded city. At that moment there were hundreds of people trapped and buildings across New Orleans thousands trying to make their way out Leeann cousin. Stop for a minute and had some ice cream strawberry shortcake you know you. WanNa do is the is there. Were lots of moments. Those on the interstate people shared water. They brought grills and ate hotdogs together. They did what they needed to do to help each other. Make it down the road. It was something sweet something kind on a day full of destruction but in a way it made sense. It made sense in a city where you dance at funerals. It made Cincinnati city. Where no matter what happened on Monday? Sunday was always the ends mom. Thought they were heading somewhere safe. Some of the government might be able to help them. They'd seen terrible things but they must have trusted that salvation was just around the corner. This which is four years after nine. Eleven we've been telling ourselves a story that America comes together in the face of hard times. It doesn't leave. Its own people behind. But a New Orleans next week wouldn't quite work out that way not for the ends family and not for the thousands of other people trapped in the city. There's time cavalry was not coming ooh.

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NPR News: 08-18-2019 10PM ET

NPR News Now

04:59 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 08-18-2019 10PM ET

"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from n._p._r. News in washington. I'm jeanine herbst. President trump says the u._s. is having positive discussions with the taliban as he seeks aches to reduce or end the u._s.'s role in america's longest war but as n._p._r.'s greg myrie reports the president didn't say whether a peace deal in afghanistan was was eminent the latest round of u._s. Taliban negotiations wrapped up last week without an agreement but president trump still describe the ongoing talks as very good he wants wants to bring down the us troop presence now around fourteen thousand impossibly withdraw the entire u s force. We have things under control very well with a small force. We could probably make it a little bit smaller and then we'll decide. The taliban are demanding a full u._s. Pull out in afghanistan remains plagued by relentless violence. More than sixty afghans were killed in a suicide bombing at a wedding saturday in kabul. The islamic state claimed responsibility greg mary n._p._r. News washington senator and democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders today unveiled his criminal justice reform plan and here's mara liasson reports it includes ending cash bail aol sanders who is running for the democratic nomination for president told n._p._r. On sunday that he would end the practice of keeping people in jail because they don't have the money to post bail l. twenty percent of the people who are in jail at this their crime is they all pool they have been convicted did nothing they are in jail because they cannot afford cash belt. Sanders was also asked about his vote for the nine hundred ninety four crime bill which which is now blamed for mass incarceration. He said the bill was bad legislation but he has no regrets for voting for it because it included a ten year ban on assault weapons mara eliason n._p._r. News brexit forecasts prepared by british officials leaked to a major newspaper forecast huge disruptions. If there's no deal reached with the european union teri schultz reports british prime minister boris johnson is launching an effort this week to get the e._u. To compromise unlike the british government's public statements heralding brexit exit the way to regain sovereignty and economic benefits after splitting from the e._u. The leaked dossier is pessimistic. If no agreement is reached with brussels before october thirty i the internal forecasts indicate channel traffic to europe will be tied up possibly for months and divisive checkpoints on the ireland northern ireland border will be unavoidable cool and these are not portrayed as worst-case scenarios but rather the most likely ones teri schultz reporting former louisiana governor. Kathleen blanco has has died. She was the state's first female governor and led louisiana through hurricane katrina for which she was criticized for being seen as unprepared and overwhelmed shouldn't and seek reelection. She battled cancer for years and died in a hospice at the age of seventy six. You're listening to n._p._r. News from washington a new record at the box office has been set thanks to a string of disney blockbusters and netto ulaby reports. I've movies from the walt disney any studios. This year have each made more than a billion dollars worldwide. It was a movie about a bunch of talking toys that sent disney into the stratosphere beyond when postal before from disney pixar became part of the billionaire movie club. It joined aladdin the lion king of anderson game and captain marvel. Oh all disney movies from twenty nineteen. That's the first time one studio has made five movies each making a billion dollars in the same year now that disney it's twenty first century fox. It controls nearly half of the domestic box office so far the only other movie to make more than a billion dollars. This year is spiderman far from home made by sony with marvel studios which is owned by disney netto ulaby n._p._r. News meanwhile at the weekend box office this weekend good boys the raunchy coming of age tale about three twelve year olds took the top spot opening with twenty one million dollars. It's the first are rated comedy to open the top spot in the last three years. The fast and furious spinoff hobson shaw slid to second place with fourteen million dollars in its third weekend and in third-placed niece the lion king with eleven million dollars in fourth birthplace. Sony's the angry birds movie to open with a paltry ten million dollars that against a reported sixty five million dollars production budget asian markets are trading higher at this this hour the ho- the hang seng in hong kong one point two percent the nikkei in japan up more than a half percent. I'm janine herbst n._p._r. News in washington.

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Come Sunday

Floodlines

23:31 min | 11 months ago

Come Sunday

"Fred Johnson slept through Katrina on the floor of the grand ballroom of the Hyatt Hotel Room. He and hundreds of people camped out there they shared blue and gold hotel sheets just waiting in the darkness for it all to pass so he wake up the next morning in one thing leads to another said. Well let's go see if we can get out. Fred had been through hurricanes before he wasn't too worried. The place was still standing but the ballroom didn't have windows so he went to take a look outside. It's sunny it's warm and it's it's calm. I'm calm is shit right so we like okay. Maybe I was right. Distinct came in and went out. We GonNA be alright. As far as Fred was concerned. He still had a job to do every year. He and the black men of Labor through that parade on the Sunday before Labor Day. It was supposed to be in six days and the Second. Sunday is sacred. He wasn't GonNa let a little hurricane getting away. The second line has to do with slavery New Orleans hand down is probably one of the most African American cities in America. And as you get the Delvin you will understand the level of slave trade. That took place it all the things for loves about the city. Jazz Mardi Gras Gumbo trace back to his ancestors. The enslaved people who built the city back when the French control New Orleans was Catholic. Even the enslaved people had to take the holy day off so on Sundays they would get together so the slaves came from all up and down the river and they made their way to what became Congo Square and in Congo Square. They had a chance to revisit. Sing dance cried. Laugh Talk Exchange Foods because that was the closest thing that brought them back to what they had been taken. From so Sunday became a big deal New Orleans cultural grata moments. Those Fred loved all the pieces of it. He'd mashed Indian been to Mardi gras bald and helped found a social aid and pleasure club but for him. The Sunday parade is where it all comes together. You can just come out your door and get behind his band and go with them from bought a bar and forget about all of the harsh treatment that white people had inflicted on you all of the ugly names that they had called you. There was something in these African American people that you could not kill in. You could not take from them and it was this old. Most Parades Sundays right. Mahalia Jackson and Duke Ellington Sunday Sunday right so Monday. When I go to work no matter how ill I was treated. I know that Sunday was coming. And somebody WHO's going to help parade that morning after Katrina even thinking about throwing a parade might have same ridiculous. The parts of Louisiana Mississippi that were hit directly have been flattened New Orleans supposedly dodged a bullet but the city was still pretty beat up. Fred wanted to go see for himself. He and a friend walked across the street to try and find a ride and there was a lady white woman who was driving a cab same issue work and she said yes so we got in a cab and we go basin to Khantai by. Fred directed the CAB downriver toward the seventh ward they passed Congo Square. They headed toward the headquarters of the black men of labor. A bar called sweet lorraine's but as we go closer to sweet lorraine's we began to see some water. Not a lot and we go and lake bound. But as I could see in the distance there was something that wasn't moving but it was free and I'm like what is Dad Baghdad to close. She got from Rome when Joss Street. I said Oh no turnaround 'cause now I realize it was defy truck and it was stuck in water and you could just see just the top of it so as you get closer to Galveston Miro. The water was getting deeper and deeper and deeper. And if I didn't talk to this woman she's Gonna. Drive was in tennis water. I feel no no no. No turnaround turnaround turnaround turnaround. Now up until then. Fred was determined. Black New Orleans had paraded through slavery Jim Crow and definitely some bad weather but water. That high high enough to cover a fire truck. Fred figured immediately. We got some breaches. He didn't know how many levees had breached how bad it was for the rest of the city. But he did no one thing the first thing that's in my mind is Dan weighing on now. Get the parade. On the now. Part to come Sunday there were over fifty levee breaches in New Orleans area after Katrina putting together the exact reasons the city flooded when and where it did is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle of geography water channels by US and canals. It took a long time for even people who live there. It understand exactly what happened. I'll do my best here okay. So first thing. Louisiana is shaped like a boot the to- dips into the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans is right above it so not on the Gulf but pretty close second thing. Lots of the city is below sea level. The late to the north and the river to the south are both higher than much of the city. People look up to see ships floating by a third thing. There were two big shipping channels around New Orleans. One runs north south from the late to the river. Splits off the lower ninth ward from the rest of the city. It's called the industrial canal. The other one ran to the southeast from the city it connected the industrial canal to the Gulf locals. Called it the Mr Go. So here's what happened. Katrina made landfall southeast of the city. Near where the Mr go connected to the Gulf. It pushed a wall of water ahead of that storm. Surge was funneled through shipping channels toward the city. There was so much water that the levees along the Mr go started to fail. Flooding started out in. Saint Bernard a suburban parish to the southeast of the city. The sarge pushed up toward where the Michigan intersects with the industrial canal. When the surge got close or ninth Ward Levees failed in the neighborhoods north side. The water started creeping up. Everybody's vehicles were sitting in my brothers yard. First of all it was coming up to the towers like okay. He got on the door and I'm like Okay Alice. Craft Carney had been too tired from a nursing shift. Charity Hospital to evacuate. She was with family and her brother's House in the lower ninth ward around eight. Am on the west side of the neighborhood. The Industrial Canal Levee gave way to an eighteen feet of water. Went through then. Our cause was submerged. That's when you know we knew the law breached close to the industrial canal. Breach things were catastrophic. The water destroyed. Lots of houses. Did Not others off their foundations. Some floated blocks away. Dozens of people drowned. Survivors were trapped in attics or on route for days. I think the biggest concern that they have is their survivability of these people that are still thousands of homes were flooded completely up to the roof line. It was absolutely amazing. Sight can hear people yelling for help. You Ca- The dogs yelping. All stranded awesome hoping someone will come. Alice was near the river on some of the highest ground in the city. She would say she was blessing. All this the water stopped rising before it got into her brother's house but our own house was out in the east. She knew it was probably underwater. Already I'm thinking I've lost everything. I've lost everything. Because the lower ninth ward is cut off from the rest of the city. By the industrial canal. The flooding there would be contained. Everyone knew that neighborhood was vulnerable to floods after hurricanes in nineteen sixty five hurricane. Betsy overtop tim broken the levees and drown the neighborhood but no living person ever seen uptown underwater. The levies on the river near Lake. Were supposed to be safe but around eleven that Morning Times. Picayune reported March left staying. Got A disturbing call. It must have been so many in the Emergency Management Office. Told me that you know. Hey we have some firefighters who were up on the top floor of an apartment building. It's an apartment building. That's right on the lake. The firefighters on the west side of the city in the well off Lakeview neighborhood. That's where mark lived lakeview was right next to the seventeenth street drainage canal. The canal was designed to drain water out of the city and pump it up to the lake and they looked down and they saw that a piece of the wall had failed in. The lakeview was flooding with water running in continuously from the late. I mean I knew that was in a completely unprecedented. At at that point it was extremely clear to me that my house was going to flood very soon. If it wasn't already underwater if Lakeview was flooding that was a big deal. It meant that most of the city was going underwater. It wouldn't just be black neighborhoods. Not just poor ones either. He'll be white neighborhoods. Wealthy ones city buildings fancy condos. There'd be no stopping. Is it rising very fast in my seriously? Well it's rising in downtown area and it's rising in the downtown area. But I would describe. This is from a press conference on Tuesday with Governor Kathleen Blanco. Louisiana's two senators Mary. Landrieu and David bitter a full day after the Seventeenth Street levies had breached the talking about the progress of rescue efforts in New Orleans in the huge majority of areas. It's not rising at all. It's the same or it may be lowering slightly in some parts of New Orleans because of the Seventeenth Street bridge. It may be rausing and that seemed to be the case in parts of downtown. I don't want alarm everybody. That New Orleans is filling up like a ball not happening actually. That's exactly what was happening. Thousands of lives were in the ballot after spin. But it wasn't clear that people in charge even knew I had five rescuers. There seems to be fifty thousand people that need rescue. Most were forced to at the time of that press conference. Many streets were only passable by boat the agency that got up there. I with the ones who had them the coastguard and the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and fisheries when the water within hours of landfall but a lot of people just grabbed anything that would float saved each other to rescue boats zig-zagged through flooded streets which had become canal or modest rescue craft manned by volunteers from across the region unloading victims even today. Hundreds and hundreds of people rescued from their rooftops after spending more than twenty four hours on rooftops waiting to be evacuated. They've run out. A Intra May Leeann Williams and her family were also waiting to be rescued. They didn't have power. They went out to try and find supplies. Somebody had broken into the local corner store. I'm obviously had no it ongoing them like my. We have to give food and stuff. Whoever broke in used a post to which the door open. Leeann waited inside. It was dark and full of water. They had chipped float everywhere. Everything and I just you know look. They're walking down the owls in water. And I'm just stuff in a bag with food and drinks for us so we have to eat before she went home. Leeann across it a liquor store and grab something else. A novelty pin radio one of those cheap gifts kids that writes and plays music when she got back to Lafitte. The family turned on. We were trying to listen and get a connection on the outside because we didn't have any power she'll be one in five Freddie and Lakefront Freddie W W Monday evening one of the People Broadcasting was GonNa Rob Burnett the fill in radio host for the talk show on. Wwl after that first night in the closet the team had made a frantic escape through flood waters and drove up the Baton Rouge. They kept broadcasting until calls people still in New Orleans. We've ever go off get. Outta here we we have. We opened the addict. We punched a hole in the attic. We have Campbell's. And we have a little lantern. There we keep on your flashlights. But there's been saying I they're monitoring this. I'll I'll I can tell you do everything you can to signal the helicopter with pants inaugural out the window. The calls in the first. Today's were basically like emergency. Dispatches people called asking for help or looking for lost relatives private. The most joyful moments was how many times we reunited people. Lots of people had evacuated without even knowing where their families were going and somebody calling and see my daughter. We'd put up get a call back. Tell Dad and beer was great but lots of the calls were terrified and there was only so much calling do we fitted home is like fifty six and my baby for months and he had he soaking wet. A running fool and the helicopter has all day long. They would say Crowning Success Geno. The water's coming here with my baby. Nobody's coming and and the the wonderful firefighter boat rescue every time we hear it in the group body head for it the and spent the day listening to the news unfold on the PIN radio. The apartment was dry but the streets around it were filling up with water and we heard it already you and a man was like he was in a panic. I repeat gets a safety gets under superdome. I repeat the nine. Why is under water? The water is rising and gets a safety when the ADS. Mother heard that she panicked. Her sisters liaisons were staying in the Florida. Housing projects in the ninth ward. None of them are their children could swim and nobody could get in touch with them with the water steadily creeping up liens. Mom thought they might be next. She realized couldn't wait around for rescue. They were going to have to save themselves. Hi this is Jeffrey Goldberg. I'm the editor in chief of the Atlantic. This project flood lines is the result of almost a year of reporting by a small but dedicated team journalists. I hope you listen to the whole series and I hope that when you're done you decide what you really need in your life is even more Atlantic journalism for one hundred sixty three years. The journalists at the Atlantic have been producing superior narrative stories about the issues that matter most in the world you can gain unlimited access to all of the Atlantic great stories by subscribing go to the Atlantic Dot Com Slash. Support us to learn more. That's the Atlantic Dot Com slash. Support US thank you very much for listening and now back to flood lines in the Lafitte. Projects Liens MOM is getting anxious. She told the and cousin Ariel to put their shoes on. My Mom's like we're getting out of here for my Stepdad. Then want to leave so the three of them left her stepdad behind and went out on a scouting expedition to see if they can find help. The only way to dry land was a walk up the ramp to the race interstate so we walked out the back door of our house and it was water everywhere back there. We walk into the interstate and we just see people everywhere they had lady. She was like in eighties or nineties. They head on a blow obeyed and she was at the foot of the interstate air. She likes she was just hot and worn out and she just had a hand on top of a head and we passed though a letter on the interstate the Yangtze the entire city for the first time in days. I just couldn't believe it like it was water everywhere long as I may name a have hurricanes. I ain't never seen the war on Canal Street and so close to the first quarter like that. That was crazy and we just walking down in the state and as we walked down the interstate. They headed day-by-day right there a day so. I'm just telling us to close our eyes just to keep going. Just keep walking walking. Close our eyes. They saw people everywhere who needed help with no help to be found. Her mom figured the only way to survive was for everyone. Get out that may convincing her. Stepdad. That it was time to go. Then we made back from now. Walk Home S. You had a talk with him. He was ready to go. She named please for those trapped in New Orleans. Ten shelters have been opened including the steel and concrete. Massive Super Tony to twenty five thousand people. It's estimated now have gone to the superdome. We're expecting upwards of twenty thousand to thirty thousand people inside the Superdome here if you want to be rescued goto. The superdome. The superdome of the official refuge of last resort. All the families that behind for most people the only way to get there after the storm walking on the raise interstate above the flood water. The anselme joined hundreds of others who are making the same journey at thank took my shoes off because they were so can wait and I remember me stepping on something. She stepped on something sharp with a barefoot in cut my feet bay so everybody had to stop because I had blood everywhere and it was hiding everybody at the stop because my feet was cut opus. Obey the end was limping now. Waited rat infested waters. Pass a dead body up and over the city and all devastation. It was hot over ninety degrees and humid but her family kept going eventually. They ran into a guy who was pushing cooler. He's saying ice cream. Ice Cream is ice cream. Cold drank some water. Come on baby. Get y'all something to drink in new Yo- you know Thursday and so and so. The family stood in the sun on the interstate. They looked out over the flooded city. At that moment there were hundreds of people trapped and buildings across New Orleans thousands trying to make their way out Leeann cousin. Stop for a minute and had some ice cream strawberry shortcake you know you. WanNa do is the is there. Were lots of moments. Those on the interstate people shared water. They brought grills and ate hotdogs together. They did what they needed to do to help each other. Make it down the road. It was something sweet something kind on a day full of destruction but in a way it made sense. It made sense in a city where you dance at funerals. It made Cincinnati city. Where no matter what happened on Monday? Sunday was always the ends mom. Thought they were heading somewhere safe. Some of the government might be able to help them. They'd seen terrible things but they must have trusted that salvation was just around the corner. This which is four years after nine. Eleven we've been telling ourselves a story that America comes together in the face of hard times. It doesn't leave. Its own people behind. But a New Orleans next week wouldn't quite work out that way not for the ends family and not for the thousands of other people trapped in the city. There's time cavalry was not coming ooh.

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The Dogs of Hurricane Katrina

Dog Tales

38:14 min | 8 months ago

The Dogs of Hurricane Katrina

"This episode is brought to you by facebook watch. Facebook watch has videos for whatever you need right now like. Diy Orioles clips from your favorite TV shows. Plus free original shows just tap the facebook watch icon in the facebook and start streaming today on the morning of August. Twenty ninth two thousand five seventy two year. Old Disabled Veteran William Morgan sat in his wheelchair watching the news. Miss Morgan the FE was right where she always was by his side. Morgan Le Fay was named after sorceress. From legends of King Arthur and like her namesake. The one year old APRECU poodle was enchanting. She won her owners heart. The instant they met together they were tracking the progress of Hurricane Katrina. The category. Five hurricane was about to make landfall in their hometown New Orleans. But they didn't know couldn't know the three levies had already burst before William. All Morgan could blink. A torrent of floodwater slammed against front door trapping them inside filthy runoff poured through cracks until William and Miss Morgan left gasping for air only inches between them and the ceiling. There was no time to panic. William dove below the surface smashed through window and pedaled hard towards sunlight. Once he'd made it out he returned for Miss Morgan. He lifted her onto the safety of their roof grabbed onto a nearby tree branch and held on for dear life for fourteen hours. They whether the elephants together rain wind currents debris hope finally arrived in the form of the United States. God William was pulled onto a boat shivering starving and dehydrated as they began to drive away Williams. Stop Them Miss Morgan. The rescuers had forgotten Miss Morgan. We're not in the business. They told him William watched as miss. Morgan ran back and forth on the roof yelping but there was nothing to do. The to friends watched each other turn into a SPEC on the horizon and then disappear William later told a reporter had I known she couldn't have come with me. I would have stayed. This episode is dedicated to the volunteers who were in the business of dogs. Like Miss Morgan. During one of the worst storms the United States has ever seen welcome to tales a podcast original every week. We tell the stories of historic heroic canines. We'll profile dogs. Who saved people from earthquakes? Went Outer Space and even spurred the invention of Velcro if you're looking for funds stories and warm heart you packing up the right tree. I'm your host Alistair. You can find codes of folk tales and all other parkhouse originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream docked tails for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type dog tales in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening this week. We're telling the story of the dogs and animals of Hurricane Katrina and of the countless volunteers who worked tirelessly to save their lives. Hurricane Katrina devastated more than ninety thousand square miles of the southern coast of the United States. It produced more than thirty three tornadoes and winds that reached one hundred and seventy miles per hour. It resulted in one hundred. Sixty one billion dollars worth of damage. Millions of people lost their homes and an estimated one thousand eight hundred and thirty. Three people died. It was a natural disaster. There was nothing anyone could do to stop the rain or the wind but there were ways of mitigating its effects at nine thirty. Am On August. Twenty eighth two thousand five. The mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation. It was the first of its kind for the metropolitan area of one point three million people before the day's end an estimated one million left their city and their homes behind another twenty thousand or so sought shelter in the Louisiana Superdome. It was labeled a huge of last resort for those who needed it. The arena was built to withstand two hundred mile per hour winds and flooding up to thirty five feet. The National Guard had three hundred troops stationed inside but they did not accept pets. Most evacuees assumes they be returning home shortly after the hurricane passed many set up their cats and dogs with food and water gave them a hug and squeeze and told them that they'd be right back but as the Soom got closer more than one hundred thousand people still remained in the city. Some believe the house could withstand the hurricane others didn't have access to transportation or couldn't afford to leave but an estimated thirty to forty percent of people who remained stayed because they refused to abandon their pets at six ten. Am On August. Twenty ninth two thousand. Five Hurricane Katrina made landfall in southeast Louisiana. At the time it was a category three hurricane at its peak it reached category five the highest classification that exists category. Three Hurricane Wins are one hundred eleven to one hundred twenty nine miles per hour while category five hurricane winds a one hundred fifty seven miles per hour or higher faster than most high speed trains because New Orleans sits on the coast. A system of man made walls and canals have surrounded the city since the eighteen thirties. By two thousand five they were outdated due to lack of proper upkeep by nine. Am less than three hours off. To Hurricane Katrina made landfall. The first Levy in New Orleans was breached before the storm was over. There would be at least forty nine. More water flooded into the low lying areas of the city half of which is below sea level before the end of the day. Eighty percent of the city was under as much as twenty feet of water. The one hundred thousand people still in New Orleans were running out of options. First responders acted as quickly as they could trying to save lives but emergency evacuation procedures ignored one population entirely pets in a press conference. Michael Brown the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency or FEMA explicitly told reporters that dogs and cats were not his concern. His priority was to save human lives. The Red Cross and the United States Coast Guard had similar policies organizations that did specialize in animal rescue like the Louisiana Society for the prevention of Cruelty to animals or SPCA didn't have the resources to weather the elements. There were no first responders for the biggest population. Still living in New Orleans pets and strays. It was a blind spot in evacuation procedures in dire straits. Man's best friend was deemed non-essential Labrador retrievers paste stranded on rooftops Maine. Coon cats clung branches in toxic floodwaters. Animals of all shapes and sizes were barricaded in homes waiting for the owners to return as filthy water poured into living rooms near a bus stop in Baton Rouge. A dog was found tied up on the side of the road. He had an unopened container of dog food with him and nearby notes read. Please take care of my dog. His name is chucky. Chucky was lucky enough to be found by Louisiana State Treasurer. John Kennedy who took him in but not every dog was so blessed. Some owners tried to bring their pets with them to safety. One woman cried to officials as she boarded and evacuation bus after losing her house. Her job and her car. She didn't want to lose her dog too. She had no other choice she had to let him go similarly a small fluffy white mixed breed. Dog named snowball was torn from the arms of her young owner. While waiting to board a bus the boy was so overcome with despair. He dropped to his knees and vomited. The actions weren't intended to be cruel time energy and space where all limited resources and rescuers were given strict orders. No animals but there was absolutely no way that Don at Williams was leaving behind Sebastian. His Fluffy Black Cocker Spaniel. His home had already been flooded and the two had escaped together. They survived Hell and literal highwater. Morad even located an air mattress that he could put Sebastian on to tow him. Through the sometimes neck-deep floods but even as they found elevation on interstate. Ten and a helicopter arrived. They were far from salvation. Sebastian wasn't allowed to board. Merit acted fast. He found a black trash bag and hid Sebastian inside. There was just enough airflow for the dog to breathe. Moran said a quick prayer begged. Sebastian remained quiet and bored. It the copter incredibly. Sebastian seem to understand after the flight. They made their way to a bus where there were more furry stowaways puppies kittens and birds were hidden in suitcases under blouses. Inboxes some even stuff down particularly baggy pants. Sebastian Morad's found safety in the back of the bus. Where Sebastian Kapika? His tiny snout out of the bag when the bus arrived the astrodome stadium in Houston. Good news awaits at them. Volunteers from the SPCA were waiting to help. Sebastian didn't need to hide anymore. They could temporarily take him into their care merit will be able to reclaim him. As soon as circumstances allowed weeks later when Moore was able to see Sebastian again he spent the morning crying. Sebastian wasn't just a dog to him. He was family had lost his elderly father in the storm. He had no siblings. No children no one but Sebastian. So when the Little Cocker Spaniel finally ran into his arms again. It was like the whole world stopped the love the to shed was the only thing salvaged from the storm. As Marie told reporters Sebastian was his baby and judging by the amounts of kisses he got from Sebastian. Return the sentiment was reciprocated as happy as ever union was most once lucky. Hundreds of thousands of pets were abandoned in the storm and when the waters finally settled the severity of what it meant to leave so many behind really started to set in. Luckily hundreds of people around the country left off their couches and headed to the big easy. They were ready to use their voices to defend the animals. That couldn't speak for themselves coming up. Volunteers risk their lives to rescue. Pets left behind in the storm. Even your dog has great adventures ends with the temperature warming up. Fleas and ticks can become more prevalent. So you want to be prepared. Sarah still helps. 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You'll also dive deep into the context surrounding the quote learning more about his origin and the meaning behind it. They have already been the number of standout quotes featured so far but my favourite has to be the thoughtful words of legendary comic. John cleese and I can't wait to hear what's next so whether you're jumpstarting the morning searching for that midday pick me up or trying to finish the evening off. Strong daily quotes offer. Some of history's most inspirational quotes whenever you need them. Three hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story. When Hurricane Katrina hit the southern coast of the United States in August? Two thousand five. It destroyed millions of homes and killed thousands of people. First responders acted as quickly as they could to save the people trapped in New Orleans but there was one population that nobody knew what to do with pets. An estimated six hundred thousand animals were killed or stranded by the hurricane images of dogs and cats trapped on rooftops and paddling through toxic. Walters appeared on news outlets across the world the SPCA and other organizations were doing all they could but they needed assistance. Luckily help was on the way. Hundreds of volunteers from across the nation traveled to Louisiana to lend a hand and what they were signing up for was no easy task. Although the storm had passed the city was still dangerous. Military helicopters flew over flooded neighborhood searching for survivors. The water was black and filled with sewage debris gasoline and dirt. It was poison and yet despite everything fifty five year old animal lovers Charlotte Bass Lily. Didn't want to leave. The hurricane had dealt significant damage to her home in the Lower Garden district but it was still standing. It wasn't underwater. She was alive and so were her husband and twelve pets. Eight dogs and four cats. She was lucky she wanted to stay and help repair the city that she loved so much but her home with is missing wolves and a collapsed. Roof wasn't safe especially not after the looting started as Charlotte told one. Reporter guys were stressing up the street with an holding. Ak47's it was like the wild west. She joked that she could have taken a few of them out with her own guns in the end however she knew that fighting spirit would be better served elsewhere and she decided to leave but she wasn't going far. She made the commitment to her city. She was going to save the animals of New Orleans. She had thirty years of volunteer experience under her belt. It started small trapping. Feral cats in her neighborhood and getting them neutered. Then she transitioned to working with local animal rescue groups. She felt fulfilled when she rescued strays and gave them a home and Hurricane Katrina had changed nothing less than a day after the storm ended Charlotte Bass Lily. Her husband that dogs and cats piled into their car as they drove the reality really sunk in. They saw firsthand. What Katrina had done to the city's animals? They drove to an animal shelter in Gonzalez. Louis Hannah about an hour's drive outside of New Orleans. Louisiana had lost their permanent shelter in the storm said they'd moved the operation to the Lamar Deke's Expo Center. It was typically used for rodeos cattle shows and hosts exhibitions but it was about to become home to the largest animal rescue operation in American history housing hundreds of volunteers and more than eight thousand cats and dogs. However when Charlotte's arrived on August thirtieth two thousand five. It was empty. She was only the eighth person to show up the shelter was still being coupled together the SPCA gave her one of their old animal. Control trucks. The police lights on its heard allowed her to enter and exit the city without much hassle from officials every day off toward Charlotte woke up at six. Am to receive her assignments. She was handed a list of addresses belonging to people left behind their pets. And each day she headed into the still flooded city with a hope and a prayer that she'd find the animals alive and well in her earliest rescue attempts. She noted the fish were jumping out of the water but soon nothing was jumping. Even the snakes were dead but it didn't matter. She was determined to rescue every animal that she could find every evening. The rescue volunteers brought hundreds of animals to the Expo Center. But Charlotte knew that in a truck. She couldn't reach eighty percent of the city. It was submerged in water. Those were the parts that needed her help. The most so she bought a boat. She was determined to go to the places that few others would by mid October. She'd saved more than five hundred cats and dogs. She'd broken down doors fish through sludge and saw more than her fair share of death. But the rescue operation at the Lamar Dixon. Expo Center was coming to a close. The city was finally drained and people were returning to their homes of the fifteen thousand animals that came through the pop-up clinic. Only fifteen percent were matched with the owners again. Most of the former pets were taken to other shelters around the country. Their owners either assumes they were dead who had no means of tracking them down but no matter the end result. Eight thousand animals were given a second chance at life. The shelters results were extraordinary but for many it was time to try and get back to normal for the city to start healing but not for Charlotte. She wasn't done with how work she couldn't rest. There was no normal not when there were thousands more pets to save. She gathered a small group of volunteers and took over an abandoned nail salon near downtown New Orleans. They called themselves. Animal Rescue New Orleans. What they lacked in resources they made up for in willpower over the holidays. Animal Rescue New Orleans. Put out food and water on every other block in the city. They were able to cover more than two hundred square miles. Before the year's end the small nail shop was overflowing with rescues in early two thousand six charlotte relocated Animal Rescue Orleans to a warehouse just outside the city limits. And it's thanks to the work of people like her. After Katrina New Orleans residents had any hope of being reunited with their beloved pets. Even those who previously assumed all hope was lost after the coast. Guard rescued seventy two year. Old William Morgan from the storm leaving behind his beloved apricot poodle. He was brought to a veteran's affairs hospital in Miami but he never stop thinking about the best friend. He'd left behind Miss Morgan LE. Fay Tears welled in his eyes each time. He pictured his boat speeding away as she cried out for him. Nine hundred miles away. He could still hear her whimpers. Luckily a volunteer at the Veterans Hospital empathized with Williams Story. They helped him scour the Internet looking for news of his beloved dog then one day. They clicked on a website best friends animal society. They had to apricot poodles. Both of which were found in Williams neighborhood both had rhinestone collars just like his dog before long. A reunion was arranged. Volunteers drove two days all the way from Mississippi to Miami to see if one of them was truly miss. Morgan Le Fay but William Morgan was nervous as he rolled up in his wheelchair. But if it wasn't his baby girl or if Miss Morgan didn't remember him over US what if? She resented him for leaving her behind as he went down. The halls William felt like his heart was beating out of his chest. His best friend could be just a few feet away. When he turned the corner he sought to a caught poodles waiting outside for him. Fallen tears held onto their leashes. But only one of them tugged. When they saw William the volunteer let go and the poodle headed straight for him snuggled into his lap and gave him a kiss. There was just one more thing that William had to do a test. He told a volunteer to tug on the dog's right ear. If it was Miss Morgan she would sit one light. Tug of the year and Miss Morgan sat right down and the test had just been a formality. William new his baby girl when he saw her and now he remembered what normalcy felt like. What a gift. Unconditional love can be. He looked into Miss Morgan's is and found hope that he thought was lost together. They had weathered a terrible stool and now the future was just a little bit. Brighter and a lot more bearable. Incredibly the one year old Miss Morgan had managed to survive twelve days alone on the rooftop. Where William Morgan left her. When rescuers from best friends animal society found her she was mostly skin and bones. They rushed her to emergency shelter and nursed her back to health. Now more than two after Katrina Miss Morgan the FE and William where together again tears streaming down the faces of everyone who watched the affection they were witnessing was essential. Tears streamed down the faces of everyone who watched the affection they were. Witnessing was essential even in a hurricane. It was a love worth saving coming up. Congress learns from Hurricane Katrina and fights to protect animals. Nationwide now back to the story. Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans in August. Two thousand five in the weeks that followed the relief. Efforts were nothing short of heroic. Thousands upon thousands of animals were rescued. Many were reunited with their owners. Many more was sent to animal shelters throughout the country. But while it's important to celebrate the victories we also have to acknowledge the reality that Katrina left behind and how triumphing over the odds isn't always so cut and dry. Like William Morgan Jesse. Pollens was also separated from his beloved companion. Jj a Labrador Shepherd Mix. Jj meant the absolute world to Jesse. He was much more than pet. He'd been a life raft for Jesse in difficult times. Jesse was a recovering drug addict. Who turned his life around just as his wife passed away from cancer. Jj was there. When Jesse had nobody else to tend to. But Jesse knew he couldn't bring jj with him when the time came to evacuate so with tremendous reluctance. He left the dog behind at his home with what he hoped was enough food and water to survive he and his family headed to Baton Rouge. It took months of searching after the storm for Jesse to FIND HIS CANINE FRIEND. But when he did he realized that. Jj wasn't just alive. He was in California and he'd been adopted. A pair of sisters had taken. Jj Robin Henningsson and Kathy Franco. And they'd fallen in love with him the same way that Jesse had it took a long and heartbreaking legal dispute Jesse to finally get jj back eventually. The sisters reluctantly agreed to let him return to New Orleans. It was after all his home but the process may Jesse and JJ's reunion bittersweet. Sweet Jesse told reporters when he came out of the cage. He came straight to me. Jj is a parts of being a part of me. That was missing for a long time but jj was now a cart of Robin and Kathy. To and Jesse understood that they would justice heartbroken as he'd have been if jj was taken away from him as he said there. Were no good guys or bad guys was only a hole in his heart that needed to be filled. Of course thousands of dogs and owners didn't even get a bittersweet reunion. Most pets never saw that people again shelters around the country were overrun with animals. Many of whom would put down. When they couldn't find homes today New Orleans animals a still recovering entire neighborhoods are being rebuilt descendants of the dogs. That survived Katrina roam the poorest areas of the big easy like the ninth and seventh woods. Many in packs and their puppies are being born into a life that none of them deserve animal. Control OFFICERS LIKE TRAVIS. Cousy no old to well the suffering strays face and it's not just vacation and disease in the most dangerous neighborhoods that chain to fences to drive away and intruders others a forced into fighting rings. It doesn't matter that these dogs or their parents or their parents parents were once. Welcome inside there. The descendants of the abandoned and to this day most of them remain so and officer Causey. Is there to witness the day today? Struggle one some day in two thousand twelve. He tried to treat an emaciated pit. Bull it was slowly dying the backyard but he was interrupted by a phone call. A human had been bitten by another wild dog and so cozy was forced to leave the pit bull behind to die on. Its own thankfully some still feel the outrage from two thousand five and two thousand six for Travis Causey and Charlotte Bass Lily. The fight isn't over both a still working tirelessly to rectify the human error. That happened after an act of God and there were plenty of errors in September. Two thousand five. The United States House of Representatives formed a special committee it investigated local state and federal governments preparation and response to Katrina. Their final report was titled a failure of Initiative. Meaning more could have and should have been done but with every failure comes an opportunity to learn and one of the biggest lessons. The storm involves some of the smallest members of our families. Are Pets believe it or not? Nothing has done more to improve the legal status of very four legged friends than Hurricane Katrina. The tragedy struck a nerve in pet owners everywhere. It raised the question that hadn't been properly considered before. How do we treat the animals we love? During a state of emergency our pets survival has become intrinsically linked to our care by domesticating them. We've changed the course of their evolution. Which isn't to say that domesticated animals are incapable of surviving on their own in the wild. And fact that's a common misconception. It's been proven that they can. But what do we owe these incredible animals? The ones who spend their lives by our side in our care when disaster strikes. When it's not just a question of surviving day today but of surviving a category five hurricane in the weeks following Hurricane Katrina the public flooded Congress with letters and phone calls it appeared that Americans had finally found an issue that they could all agree on. It wasn't healthcare immigration or guns. It was the love that Americans have for their pets. Progress began on the state level in. May Two thousand and six New Orleans. Lawmakers including state senator let Clo- fund no held court in Baton Rouge to hear public testimony. They were considering amending the state's Disaster Related Policies Charlotte Pass Lily and Morgan testified but they were far from alone. Countless others joined in the gravity of this stories filled the room and left silence and tears in their wake. They mourn for the eighteen hundred human lives lost and they presented another statistic. One hundred fifty thousand hats died as well. How many human lives might have been saved? If owners didn't have to choose between saving themselves and saving their dog and thankfully the people were heard in the words of Senator Fong. Oh we would derelict in our duties to the citizens of Louisiana. Because we didn't make arrangements for pets in June two thousand six governor Kathleen Blanco signed the pet evacuation bill. It required all authorities in the states of Louisiana consider pets in their evacuation procedures. They required to be evacuated alongside their own as they must be provided with transportation and any refuge site needs to find ways to accommodate them and the regulation whence national the Federal Government passed the pets evacuation and Transportation Standards Act or the pets act support for the bill was almost unanimous. California Congressman. Tom Lantos who introduced the bill to the House of Representatives said he had never before in his long congressional career received so much support and encouragement for a piece of legislation. More states have also passed their own version of the bill tailored to their unique landscapes climate and disasters the importance of the legislation for animal rights cons being understated now in the United States of America. Our Furry family members have legal standing. 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Terry Moe on Educational Reform, Katrina, and Hidden Power

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Terry Moe on Educational Reform, Katrina, and Hidden Power

"Welcome to ECON talk part of the Library of economic liberty. I'm your host Russ Roberts of Stanford University's Steve Hoover Institution. Our website is ECON-. Talk Dot Org or you can subscribe comment on this podcast and find links and other information related to today's conversation. I also find archives. We listened to every episode. We've ever done going back to two thousand and six or email addresses mail it econ talk dot Org. We'd love to hear for today is November. I twenty nineteen and my guest is political scientist and author Terry Mo the William Bennett Munro Professor Political Science at Stanford University and a senior fellow and colleague of mine at Stanford's Hoover Institution. His latest book and the subject of today's conversation is the politics politics of Institutional Reform Katrina Education and the second phase of power. This is Terry second appearance on the program. He was here in September of Twenty sixteen to discuss the constitution and the presidency. Terry Well Quebec ECON talk. Yeah great to be with you. This is a really It's a very short book. I'd love short books that I learned a lot from and that was the case with this book. I taught me a lot of insights into not. Just what what happened in New Orleans which I knew a little about but not so much but a much broader set of issues that we're GONNA get into In of course conversation but want to start with public education Asian generally A lot of people are dissatisfied with the State of public schools in the United States particularly in urban areas. You argue that. Despite what appears to to be a lot of activity charters vouchers and all kinds of experiments going on around the country. Actually the real impact of reform has been minimal Why do you say that? Well you know we've been As a nation trying to reform the public schools Since one thousand nine hundred eighty three run run. A nation at risk came out and and set off a reform efforts in every state in the union and this has been going on ever since and You know Where are we we have achieved very much. The reason is that there has been huge resistance from the teachers unions and from other establishment groups like the school boards. And so here. We are You know it's two thousand nineteen how many kids are in charter schools about six percent nationwide. How many kids have vouchers a use tax credits less than one percent? Nationwide nationwide What about accountability? Well Accountability has basically run into a buzzsaw with the unions hating accountability and being threatened by it and The Republicans Getting back to their Local Government Roots Listen getting all teary eyed about how important it is To have state and local governments run everything Have basically put accountability in the the hands of state and local governments. where it's basically going to be dead so I think here we are after all this time and we've made very very a little progress? There's just been so much resistance that the reformers have been unable to overcome it. Why is that what? What is the nature of the barriers given the level of dissatisfaction on the part of a lot of parents? And and you know for me personally. I think it's the the single most depressing with healthcare and real estate. Those are the issues three biggest Dysfunctional areas as of public policy in my view. In which case probably the most important of the three I mean it's so obviously a crummy system again mostly purport families as an urban areas. Why can't we fix it or try something even like bed so little success in trying? I think when when the average American thinks about this. It's it's so obvious you know if we have an education system that doesn't work very well and that's not educating kids then We need to do something about it. Right it's good for the nation is good for children. It's a no brainer But that's that's not the way politics works in education there are powerful vested interests that have a stake in the system regardless of how well it's performing the two most important vested interests are the teachers unions and the school boards The Teachers Unions simply have a vested interest. Just in jobs And you know. I don't say that to demonize the teachers. Unions is just a straightforward fact They represent don't Teachers who have a vested interest in their jobs they want job protections they want better wages. They want better benefits and they want seniority seniority rights and all the rest and a lot of these things that they're demanding are either irrelevant to or come at the expense of what's what's best for children. You know what we need to do is to organize the schools and organizes school system in ways that are the absolute best for educating children. But that's not what happens if anything is Threatening to the job Bob interest of the unions they will oppose it and if the if the system is performing badly. It doesn't matter to them. They will still oppose reforms that are attempting team to improve the situation and the same goes for school boards. School boards are concerned with keeping their enrollments up keeping the money coming in keeping their own control all over schools. And so if you come along and say look maybe kids could do better in charter schools if we had more charter schools. Oh free. Let some of these kids go to private schools. Their response is absolutely not because they don't WanNA lose kids they don't want to lose the money etc etc.. It has nothing to do. ooh whether the kids would be better off so this is what the politics of education is really about. It's about reformers trying to find and some ways of improving the system. It turns out that a lot of those ways the most basic ones choice and accountability are threatening to to the vested interests and they are the real powerful forces in education. And what they do is. They used their power to block fundamental mental reforms. And that's been the story for the past thirty five years so that's a very depressing story. Of course the teachers unions don't see it that way and you know as you said you don't want to demonize them. How many wonderful teachers in the Public School System That's not what we're talking about Many of you out there maybe have parents who work in that system or you attended that system as I did and had a good education was. I was in a fairly well off suburban area of Boston which is a different situation than what we're going to be talking about. which is herb more more urban areas but The defense against that would be well all those reforms. You're talking about those you're just. We don't think those would work. All we need is a little more money for the school system. You're really you are demonizing them. So what your defense against that claim. I think it's just factual They favor reforms. That are good for them. You know they want more money because they want teachers to be paid more And they want better benefits. It's and so on There's no solid evidence that More money is the key to this problem. And they are opposed to reforms that are threatening To their interest. It's as simple as that and let me just take a step back and say Vested interests are universal every institution in every policy area generates vested interests and these are interests of people who like get the services says of those institutions But also who get the jobs that those institutions generate or the business contracts the those institutions generate and this is true in agriculture. True in defense. It's true when the environment you name it and it's not just true in. This country is true in every country and it's been true throughout time you know that this is a universal thing. All Institution generate vested interests and those best interests have a stake in protecting their institutions from change because those institutions so the source of their benefits and in many cases those benefits like jobs and profits have absolutely nothing to do with whether the institutions are performing well and so oh the vested interests which have a stake in investing in political power will use their political power in order to stop reforms arms even when the institutions are performing very badly and that is the problem that all societies face that in that our society he faces in trying to have a healthy democracy in which our institutions actually work when we have institutions that are failing the vested interests will still protect them and make it virtually impossible for us to reform them now reasonable people least somewhat. Reasonable people could disagree about whether charter schools are better or whether vouchers certain fuller accountability right. But I think so I wouldn't say that's a factual question I think there's evidence evidence evidence evidence about it but I I WANNA make a point I wanna make a different point that me because that evidence both sides could argue about it. But here's the part. I think that is in arguable. When these type of reforms are put on the table or pushed forward? It is true that the teachers unions spend money and time to stop them. That's right clear. Now they may be nobly motivated or they may be selfishly motivated as you imply or just self interested would be a better phrase Album make the joke on this program that round election time there are election signs in people's yards that say that would have assigned for cannon and there's an apple on the poster and it says teacher approved about that candidate and I always want to go up to the person who has put that sign up and say say wouldn't you want a teacher that's parent approved or student approved. Why would you think teacher approved is showing point but we do we have a lot of romance? Manse perhaps correct. I don't think so but we're correct that teachers love and care about their students and I think every into many individual teachers do of course but but regardless of whether these reforms are effective or not or would be effective what is undeniable. Is that the teachers unions and and others are very in favor of the status quo and put their money where their mouth is well. That's true that is what they do and they're protecting jobs. You know you have to remember that. Teachers don't join unions in order to promote the best interests. The children and teachers join unions to protect their jobs. That's what unions do in any industry. That's what unions are four right. A lot of people say that's okay. What's wrong with that? Why does that have to be in Contra in conflict with helping students it should be the same should be working together? Shouldn't they They they do. They aren't necessarily Consistent with one another The teachers are going to want to spend money on Wages and on benefits benefits Rather than Say on a new curriculum materials. That might help children On say new technology that might help help shelbert children learn On reforms like say charter schools. That would allow kids to get out of horrible public schools. What's on there are plenty of those into better schools? Something really simple like that like hey. These kids are trapped in bad schools. Let's get him out. The Union's response is absolutely really not so i. I just WANNA make distinction. I agree with you one hundred percent tariff. I think I distinction I want to make. Is that the unions. Don't just want to save jobs. They WANNA save the jobs of the people currently in the system and and this is important and keep the kind of job that they have the style live job the amount of effort that's required etc.. So it's really a It's not just that they want to preserve the jobs of the of the teachers out. I think you're right But it's all job related right right so so life for instance with accountability. They don't like the additional burdens that are placed upon them by an Accountability System Right which insists on certain standards and going to be evaluating the school and maybe even teachers based upon whether students are actually actually learning anything right. The history of this is that teachers were never evaluated based on whether their kids are actually learning anything. Nobody even knew that right and and teachers just always got satisfactory evaluations and they just cruise through career even if their kids were learning nothing. Nothing right and with the Accountability Movement There was a demand that for spending seven hundred billion dollars on the education system. We needed to know that the money was well spent that kids were actually learning something and we need to just start measuring things measuring outcomes and linking them to what the schools were doing so that we could get a sense of the productivity of these organizations and do something about it that's very simple and straightforward mixed feelings feelings about accountability. But that's a that's another story. I but in general does issue of I would just call it dynamism trial and error all the ways that the rest of the economy things get better and and ratings All kinds of different choice exit exit and Competition these are the ways things have gotten better in every part of the economy but for some reason in education we don't allow that to Have Sway now that I think that's a very good point to make no one Ah has silver bullets here. We don't know Whether these reforms are the perfect answer you know to our education problems but the key to progress is being able to try things and Experiment and make adjustments over time time right and then you move towards something that is better and better and better and the problem with a political system that a structured by power is that the power holders. The vested interests won't let you do that. They won't let problem solvers simply engage in in this problem solving process where they're just willing to do whatever works because a lot of these things are threatening to the vested interests and they simply block block all experimentation and stop the process in its tracks so most people understand that basic dynamic. They disagree with it in this particular case that well these reforms performs wouldn't work anyway. It's not important but you make a second point. Really underlies the whole book which I think is Unusually deep and insightful idea from aw paper by or is it a book by back and Barrett's we call the sector. They call tell us about the second phase of power and this is a really interesting idea. Tell us about that. It's really profound so you know what we see in politics is I'm struggles michaels among groups Where you have One side say pushing for reform and on the side Pushing to stop reform. And you get some sense of who wins and who loses and who has how much power and how power is exercised. That is well. It's called the first face of power our it's part of normal politics. It's what we observe and back in the old days political science When political science is was becoming scientific this was back in the nineteen fifties and sixties and seventies There were political scientists like Robert Doll. Who argued Gude? Look if you're GONNA understand power and study power you have to be able to observe the exercise of power and therefore you have to observe serve conflict situations and backtrack and Barrett's and some others came along and said actually this is completely wrong because because much of what power does is unobserved because for instance if one side has superior power then the other side knows that if they try to do anything about that if they try to launch a conflict. They're going to lose and they're going to suffer. You're all the costs that go along with losing. And so most of the time what the people who want reform will do is is nothing and so the great consequence of power is not that the power holders win in conflict situations. The great consequence consequence is that nothing happens that the reformers voluntarily based on anticipated reactions. Decide to to do nothing. And what that does is to stifle all potential efforts to really act on disatisfaction action and try to transform our institutions and our policies. That's the second face of power and we can't see it because does it. Principle consequence is nothing and we can't observe nothing but it's there and so our assessments assessments of power are all based on the first base of power which we can see but power is actually having much more. Profound and negative consequences is on our efforts to actually fix things and make our institutions better so most of the action. The Iceberg is below the surface. That's one way metaphor to think about the. Yes the second part of this that I found interesting and it just comes to me. Now as you're talking about it is that it could lead you to miss to a miss A mistake and conclude that well people aren't really that exercised about it and really working hard to change it. It must be pretty good correct. They've just given up. And that's that's a profoundly important insight into how how this particular area area how it how it works and I just have to add for listeners. Because I I can't help myself when you said. Political Science became a science in the fifties I I would argue. Very few. Social Sciences are actually sciences. And what you've just illustrated is the reason. It's not even necessarily a good idea to try to become one because it tends to focus on what measurable and here's something that's unobserved that turns out perhaps to be the most important part and it gets ignore it because you can't write a regression is out etter to have a charter a table with data. That's that's right and I guess I would argue that. What it sets up for social scientists is a challenge? You know if we recognize that these things are profoundly important at least potentially then. Our challenge is to try to get at them to try to who observed them and recognize their true importance. And of course it goes well beyond political science Big Debate economics right now about the tech company's it it is tempting to say and I've said it myself that people say they like the status quo. They loved that. Google Seltzer data and that other places like facebook do the same and and they don't care about their privacy. That's one interpretation as it could be true. The second or predation is well. It's really hard to start an alternative right now now. It's not as hard I think think is. It is to change the school board's book powers. We'll see in a minute. I think there are entrance into the tech world right now. That will test that question of whether people really care or not They're going to be alternatives to Google alternatives to facebook and twitter and others that have different incentives and structures so and pay off. So we'll we'll see about that but I want I want to get back to our story. Your story which is not so. That's all background. And here's what's fascinating In two thousand and five I think August A hurricane hits New Orleans with devastating horrific impact Katrina and wipes out physically physically An enormous amount of infrastructure of New Orleans huge numbers schools people have to leave the city and it creates. It's an incredible natural experiment in political science. Yes it's a remarkable thing because what Katrina did was not only to destroy the schools but because it did It actually destroyed the power of the school board which had no control controller schools anymore There weren't any and no money honey and it wasn't able to Hire teachers anymore. Had to let them all go and because it had to let them all we'll go. The union had virtually no members and no money and power. And so why did it have no money. Explain that because they had no members you know why it relied on dues but why did the scoreboard after let all the teachers go because there were no kids in this everybody. He left the city. And there's no property collected. There's no right So it it gets money from enrollments right and it can only only like float bonds if it's able to back them up with all these enrollments They're going to provide money in the future and so there it was does. It wasn't able to also too incompetent to get the schools up and running in the short term so it had no solution to this And as a result assault There were no kids. There were no schools in operation and it had to let the teachers go and so when it let the teachers go. The Union became powerless. And so the result was that Katrina not only destroyed the schools it destroyed the power of the vested interests and for the first time in modern in American history. It made it possible for us to observe a reform process of rebuilding process in which the the power was gone. The power of the vested interests is gone and in every other reform effort around this country for the past thirty five years there are vested interests that are sitting there resisting reform efforts right. But in New Orleans and New Orleans alone there were no Vested interests and we have a chance to see what reform looks like when the power is gone and as you point out the natural impulses just a well. Let's just get things back to where they are when when belly gets destroyed when building gets destroyed. Usually you just rebuild. It might rebuild it a little differently as we did after the tragedy tragedy of the World Trade Center bombings attacks. But in general. You get back to work. You put the school's back up you bring the kids. The water goes down. You put the kids back in the schools. Why didn't that happen well? That's the story right. So so basically you have have these decision. Makers who were in charge before Katrina and they were Kathleen Blanco. who was the governor To Advisors Leslie Jacobs and Paul Pastor Rick and the Superintendent of schools Cecil Picard who was appointed by Kathleen Blanco and You know they are in charge Of the major education decisions before Katrina and these were the ultimate pragmatists `incrementalist problem solvers working within the system. Right bringing about almost no change but of course they. They wanted change but they weren't able to do much and so you know they're just classic ethic politicians Working within the system to do what little they could. Okay before you go on Terry. It's really important to mention. These are not free market ideologues. They're not they're not intellectual theories like when you say pragmatists that sounds like a sort of a pragmatist too. But what you mean. By that is they don't come with any predetermined agenda that they've been pushing in the past that this suddenly opened up a possibility. They're just tried to their jobs. Is that correct strong. That no that's correct and it's is really crucial to this story because they were not charter fanatics are big supporters of charters They were not supporters of the The free market. They weren't ideologues. You know they were just very pragmatic Problem solvers doing the best. They could Within the system to make things a little bit better and making very little progress before Katrina and they struggle But the bottom line. Let's get to the bottom line so that listeners have an idea of of of what we're talking about the bottom line. is we go from a world of of a very status quo public school system in this very poor city. That's performing very badly very badly. And we'll get to that in a second but the thing. I want to emphasize before we even get started. Is that somehow. We ended up in a world where almost every kid in New Orleans. School system is in a charter school instead of a public school run either by the local system or some state authority or some special board but it totally changed the institutional a to show structure of the New Orleans school system. Right what happened was a revolution The most profound change that's been brought about in any any city in the entire country during the entire reform era so Not to jump ahead. Let's talk about what actually happened. So okay after Katrina. Trina hit the same decision. Makers were in charge and the normal thing for them to do would would have been to say okay. The school buildings have been destroyed. Let's rebuild them and let's Reconstitute this traditional system in a hopefully. It'll perform better than a performed in the past and you know that's the path of least resistance But but they didn't do that and right away. They knew they weren't going to do that. Right after Katrina hit these. This decision makers looked at one another and said this is the opportunity of a lifetime. They became aim radicals and they were willing to do whatever worked to transform this system but they knew that that system them was a bad system and they did not want to recreate it. How bad was it? You need to give us some data on that. How bad was it in two thousand and six two thousand and five? How bad was that performance level at least in the in those schools? Okay well the student performance that's was terrible about a quarter of the kids were scoring basic or above on on state tests that that's very abysmal. The school district was corrupt You know they were giving out contracts to their friends. They were hiring as teachers and principals their friends and their relatives instead of people who are competent The district was so corrupt that the FBI. Actually we opened up a unit within the district's own school buildings and they ultimately put thirty people in the district in prison including the President President of the school board so there was no emphasis on actually teaching kids. Anything only six Out of ten high school students actually graduated And the Valedictorian of one of the high schools Actually Kelly failed the graduation exam five times and couldn't graduate. She was demanding Dorian by so this is a really really bad system and everybody knew it was bad and yet for a long time they were unable to do anything about it. Unable to reform the thing because there was resistance from the Union and the school board all that time that was successful powerful. So in your book you talk in some detail detail which we won't go into here about the the ways that they stumbled toward trying to didn't happen quickly. They may have overnight looked at each other and said this is chance to do something different. But they weren't sure what that was and your book details that that journey and the different people that played a role in it in part of the book but the the bottom line is at the end. We ended up with a charter school system. And I want you to give us two pieces of information one is why should charter schools schools which are run by the government still. They're still public schools. Right why should they be any different than the schools they replaced and what kind of results did did they get when they did this revolution because it did go from almost no charter schools. A handful to almost all charter schools and as a result performance changed. Yeah Okay So. The traditional system was run by the local school board right which was corrupt and was unconcerned. With how much students were learning and was incapable of running a high level school system. Okay so what what. These decision makers knew. They didn't know what the perfect system was going to look like. They didn't have of an ideology they weren't charter supporters that Cetera et Cetera. But they knew they could not put control back in the hands of the school board because the school board had a tradition of failure and it would just revert to that and so what they felt they needed to do was to move toward schools. That would be autonomous right. That could run themselves and charter. Schools also offered them that opportunity and also Charter schools. Because they were individual units could could get up and running and what they the problem that they face with kids were coming back to New Orleans and they needed a place to put these kids. You know and here the school board's bumbling around trying to get a few Regular schools up and running Bay could get these charter schools going and they did. Why why did they get going so much? More quickly than the traditional schools that have been there public schools that have been in place before Because the school board wasn't in charge they were individual sort of Teams of people entrepreneurial a- groups of of people plus there were outsiders like KIP KIP in other organizations. That had Run Systems of charter schools. who were applying to the state school board to get charters to setup one or more charter schools. In the system there were local organizations. That knew something about schooling that we're ready to roll. And and they were able to do this on their own. Initiative and Get money on their own initiative from philanthropies Oh became very very interested listed in New Orleans precisely because the power was gone make it come in and they could have a real impact on the city. And that's a second part of the story story you know that in the past of philanthropists like Gates and allied road And others knew that New Orleans was a basket case but they wouldn't come in and really try to help these schools because the power structure was so corrupt that the money money would be wasted and so once the power was gone. These philanthropists came in and said okay. We WanNA help you know. What can we do well? They could help fund these charter charter schools. and Go ahead. Will you mentioned the that. They're autonomous certainly not under the control the school board and the way that the public schools preceding them. But there's also this general idea here all the time about charter. Says they don't have the same rules that the the unions don't have the ability ready to set The way the school is run or the way teachers treated out there paid or was that important also. It was crucial because in the district Prior to Katrina there was one collective bargaining Krahn contract trek filled with rules like seniority rules. that heavily constrain what principles and others can do to set up a team of people within the school that actually care about kids and teaching them something Charter schools don't have to be a unionized. They're not covered by the district. Wide Contract The Union can still organize them but it has to do at school by school by school. which is a very difficult the thing for them? Also the teachers in a charter school tend to be recruited to the school because they agree with the school mission They're on the same page with with the school principal. They work together. There's a small number of them and they're not really good candidates before union membership and for collective a bargaining and it also gives the principal a a lot of flexibility and the board To hire here's the kinds of people who are on the same page who agree with the school's mission who work well together and when people don't work well together when there's some people who don't don't get along with their colleagues don't get along with the principal. Those people can be. Let go right and so you what you wind up with is a much more sort of organic doc team. That can work together. We don't have that in the public regular public schools. Because whoever is there you're stuck with because the collective the bargaining contract doesn't allow you to move people out like that and doesn't give you that kind of flexibility so I love that but I'm gonNA play The the other side for a minute. So what we had here is a chance for a bunch of superwealthy Foundations with their own vested interest. US Two runs a set of schools. That should have been run through the democratic process of of what we had before This gave authority to principals to indulge hopes their preferences to mistreat and abuse teachers. Without the protection of the union it's et Cetera. So that's a very at the Union would say in response to your claims rights painted. Did it really lovely picture of how charters could work. But that's the other side which respond to that First of all the philanthropist that were in the background of all this they're not making a profit on anything you know. These are basically do-gooders Who are are trying to create a better school system and trying to fund the kinds of reforms that might bring that about? They don't make a nickel on on any of this and each school floats on. Its own bottom right. Nobody has to go to these schools. They're all schools of choice. And so these schools have to be good enough and responsive enough to parents to attract parents and kids. So that's a really important point. We didn't I didn't mention the floor. Absolutely huge didn't just go to your neighborhood school under the current system you can choose. That's right In fact as the system mm developed all kids had to choose a school Meantime and I I think that people who talk about You know with tears in their eyes really the how democratic control by the local school board is a really exaggerating the quality of that democracy Moxie As I said that school board was corrupt right and school board elections. Don't really correct for that because what you get in in a school board election this phenomenally low turnout And the unions. The Union local union plays a huge role role in Supporting candidates in getting Their own members and neighbors and friends out to vote. It doesn't doesn't take that much and they can have a huge impact on who sits on that school board. Usually their allies are sitting on the school board and so in that case and in many cases around the country you get a school board. That is not fundamentally concerned with. What's best for kids right? Where's the charter? Schools have to be concerned with that. OR ARE THEY GONNA lose. Whose kids so I I? I don't WanNa Forget. I WANNA thank plan tron. Prefer providing. Terry's headset today and So we could debate back and forth whether we're right whether charter schools matter in our this the parents can choose We debate whether it gave too much power to local principles ables rather than the school bar which is democratically elected and so on and so forth you could say they're corrupt they could other people could say but at least they have to get reelected and so on but we do have some data imperfect will talk about the imperfections. But it's pretty dramatic data so once this change happened once we went from a world where almost no children were in Charter schools to World War. What ninety percent ninety what? Well it's virtually all children now now. Let's say ninety five percent. Okay so I wanna make a comparison say between two thousand in town in two thousand and five five years go by. Did the students in those schools do better in that new system that had been created from the from scratch from what was essentially a blank slate with those political power changes that you've outlined outlined. What happened they did a lot better? I said that In Two thousand six twenty five percent the kids were Scoring basic or above line on state tests between seventy five percent. Were non nine. Yeah we're not And in two thousand ten forty eight percent were so there was a huge increase In school quality here now you also I have to take into account The demographics of the kids and all the disadvantage is that these kids bring with them In into the school little system and so this is a very very difficult population of kids to educate and I think it's always a struggle to to get them even up to the state average And so New Orleans is You know they have a tough challenge here but they managed through their reforms of this process and the proliferation of charter schools and getting these kids in the schools that actually cared about them I'm to increase student performance dramatically. They roughly doubled the number of students who reach that standard now. Did the standard change over that time period to my my knowledge Not over that time period but later on In starting I don't want around in two thousand fourteen. Fifteen sixteen estate began changing the tasks and changing the standards and for the then following like three or four years They've been pretty much influx sort of moving toward what they considered to be. Tougher standards but creating a lot of uncertainty in the schools about how to teach these things and what kinds of curriculum would be appropriate and so on And so oh in recent years test scores have stalled In New Orleans so you know they made dramatic progress But since then on that dramatic progress has sort of stalled out And you know that's concerning But I think to the thing to underline is for the people who are running these schools the charter schools and also the people on the school board who are reformers now. It is concerning where they're all over this. It's like Oh my God you know our test. Scores are stalling out. What are we doing wrong? Let's get on this. Let's change things. Let's do things because they're focused on student performance. This was never true before right under the old school board performance performance was not a priority and now it is in that is the fundamental difference. So let me give two possible explanations of this change we. It's always nice to say. We had a natural experiment and on couch it in again. What sounds like scientific terms like we're in a lab with a beaker and a pipette and we've got some under a microscope but there's two possibilities that at least come to my mind right off the bat that might explain disimprovement that have nothing to do with charter schools? The first is people under hardship. Pulled together. There was a new culture in New Orleans of of trying to improve things after in the aftermath of this horrible tragedy So that would be one possible reason for why the scores and performance improved proved. Second which I think is more important is that they're not the same students. Not Everybody came back Some people left New Orleans to go live with their cousin Oklahoma and stayed so I assume we know a little bit about the overlap between the pre Katrina and post Katrina population. Obviously as you say. Terrible demographic challenges very poor lot of single parent homes it's It's not an easy environment for kids to come to school and learn unnecessarily but those are probably similar but how similar are they before and after her and do we know anything about the characteristics of the people who came back because it could be the ones who came back at the ones who are more motivated. They're better parents. Who knows okay so your first explanation was a new culture has developed? It's called storytelling. I like that you know you can get your your Narrative confirmed if you have to buy some out of the box trick. If you need to I I don't believe that but it could be. Yeah Okay Well I. I would say that. To the extent that there's any new culture that's been created as being created because of the proliferation of charter schools also and The emergence of choice as the means of getting kids into schools because the parents of New Orleans look of choice and is something like ninety percent of parents are very positive about being able to choose their kids schools. Also the schools go out and try to recruit parents. Their parents are suddenly The target of a lot of attention by the schools. Everything is different right so I think that there is something of a new culture. But it's it's it's been driven by these reforms. Okay the flip side of that. Is that the old culture didn't go away And a big part of that. Was that the people who initiated these reforms arms In in New Orleans and like the teach for America kids that came in and taught in a lot of the schools or white and and Almost all the teachers who lost their jobs after Katrina were black and Same with the central office there and The school system had always been perhaps the major avenue For blacks into the middle class right. And so Dave you'd the school board as their means of gaining African American Erkin control over the schools right. This had nothing to do with the quality of the school system it had to do with race and with promoting the economic interests of the African American population and after Katrina the school board and the Teacher's Union did everything that they could to fan the flames of that discontent and to bring that old culture to bear on the new reforms and to bring those reforms down right so I don't think that suddenly New Orleans emerged out of this with the brand brand new culture. Kunai was still alive and dangerous. I think to the reforms. So that's that's an answer to the culture issue With regard to not the same students I I think that these issues have been explored award and discussed in depth By Douglas Harris who is An economist who's done the principal studies on student. Performance and is very well aware of The controls that need to be taken into account in in Trying to think about Whether these changes make sense in light of the student population so so I don't think the student population is has been Dramatically different that's my understanding But I I would just refer you to Harris's studies which are very very positive active about the progress of New Orleans system. The stagnation is a little bit disturbing. Although you don't expect it to one hundred twenty percent of the students scoring above A grade level whatever ad or above grade level but the but in forty-eight you could argue forty eight twenty five again that number was twenty five percents students winds were some standard pitifully. Low number went up to forty eight five years later forty. It's not very good. It is a lot higher than twenty-five I've which is you know. Being the thousands of students have a chance to get a decent got a decent education and have a chance to to get more war but it's not a very effective system. It's all relative I think it's very important to recognize that. Probably half or more of student. Performance is due to student background characteristics six to poverty and one parent households and all the rest and the schools contribute the rest so the schools are really up against it in any community. You know like in Detroit or Philadelphia Chicago any community with lots of minority kids in almost every urban area. Yeah has exactly that is going to find it very difficult to get really high test scores. I so that's something that I think needs to keep we all need to keep in mind and evaluating how New Orleans system is doing? I don't I don't agree with that. I think We'll certainly there. There's racism and there's challenges that the students in those systems face particularly the poverty in the single parenting thing. But I I there are many many school systems. Many meaning more than zero Suggesting that it can be done and I'm thinking of DUG LA. Who's been a guest on the program before You know the system of of charter schools. He's involved in the northeast has worked with very very challenging populations in on the same dimensions of poverty and and home life and they've and they've thrived and so I think I I guess I would try. I say it a different way. See if you agree with disagree As you said in the beginning there's no silver bullet. It would be great to have a set of reforms that could lead to a hundred percent of the students. Achieving your grade level or better but forty-eight a glorious step in the right direction and as you say people are desperately trying to figure out how do we keep this this improvement continuing. How do we keep it from going back to what it was before and that? That's what makes the difference even though it may why not be ideal. There's the perfect is often the enemy of the good and that this in this in this case that would be that would be what I would worry about so so you know I I think actually run the same page. I mean I think all children can learn and that has to be the way that top. Educators leaders approached this but you know if social science has shown anything. It's that student. Background is enormously important in shaping. How much kids learn over and above how much the schools can contribute right that that is is a fundamental part part of evaluating all this? Now it's also true that Kip and a number of other Charter school systems. Some have been able to show that they can take these disadvantaged kids and really teach them and get them to perform at very high levels right. This is a really powerful thing. But what percentage of kids are going to kipp schools. It's a very tiny percentage right so the problem is how do we get these things. Go to scale and our whole system. The structure of power makes it very difficult to do that it because the unions and others don't want Kipp and other models to spread right because they are gonna take students away from the regular public schools. Where the unionized work? So I want to move to the question of what we learn from this beyond education and I wanNA start with a quote. The you didn't use the Bark I wish you had But it summarizes what I think is the most important lesson and then I want to see if you agree and then we'll save what else that applies to The way I would describe One of your summaries of if what changed is that this cast of a political players the governor other people within the political system they went went from being defenders of the status quo to what you call problem solvers. And that's an important phrase problem solvers. They weren't they weren't again. They were not ideologues. They didn't do what I would have done. If I'd been in charge assisted. Say let's get rid of the public school system. Let's let's things grow. And let's see what emerges marriages and they'll be trial and error and competition and I and I'm confident that that process will lead to good results even though I will not be in charge of them. That's not the way politicians normally normally behave in. These didn't either but they did try to make things better. That's what I mean by. Problems are is because they didn't literally solve the problem but they did struggle in the darkness. As who I think about it for us to figure out what what might make things better and so the fundamental question is you know. What's the implication of that for? That's that's extraordinary. And and they're quote. I want to bring in is for Milton. Friedman which has always been one of my This quotes always been my essential understanding of politics in. It may not be correct but this particular episode. That you've highlighted highlighted in American history illustrates it beautifully. Friedman said the following. It's nice to elect the right people but that isn't the way you solve things the way you solve. Things is to make politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things and what Friedman means by that is simply the economists animus obsession with incentives so with politicians don't have the incentive to do the right thing I don't care how noble they are. They become driven by those incentives. They're exceptions of course throughout history but most politicians follow the incentives. And if they don't they usually lose office and doesn't matter how right they are noble they are how reform reform minded they are. Here's a case where it's literally the same people. It's such a fantastic little mini piece of this laboratory experiment. You violated these people who who before I said. Yeah it's fine. It's not great but it's fine all of a sudden became zealots because the incentives who changed either. You just extraordinary thing right but I agree with that power shapes incentives right and so before Katrina. These people were were you know. They were `incrementalist. They were responding to their tax responding to the incentives of that context and when the power was taken taking away their incentives were completely different. They didn't have to worry about reprisals from the power holders then what was not apparent was is that these people were not just like problem solvers but they were problem solvers. who were just you know? They're willing to do whatever works. That's like completely pragmatic approach right. We'll do anything you know. Whatever works in the past? They could never do that. But because the power wasn't there they were able to do whatever works and what no one recognizes is that whatever works is revolutionary because what it means means is they. Don't care that the traditional system is what has always been followed. They're they're willing to completely upend the thing and do something completely different right and they're free to do that because there's no power then In that situation to stop them to stand hand in their way and to change their incentives and the second part of this is not what they were doing. And it's a beautiful thing right because what do people who wanna like completely up ended system and do something really dramatic do when they don't know what they're doing and it turns out that ultimately they were able to put this in the hands of Paul Pastor Rick and Paul Vallis who were real leader types. They also didn't know what they were doing but they were going to create good schools. Come hell or high water water and today raise. Yeah it's They had Charter schools that they could put kids in right away and they also had a lot of direct run schools and what they found out was that the directly with that is tearing. Those are Well there was a unit called all the the recovery school district that had been created by the state to take all of the New Orleans schools just about and run them right and the idea. Eddie was okay. Well they'll charter them right and the reason was the. RSD didn't know how to run schools. Right they didn't really know how to do this well but it turned out there were so so many kids coming back. There weren't enough charter schools to put kids in and so in the beginning most kids were in schools that were directly run by the recovery school little district and what past brick vallis found out in trying to run these schools and run them. Well was they couldn't run them well. It just wasn't working out. And so as pragmatists they said look. We just gotTa start putting more kids into charter schools. Let's just put them all onto charter schools eventually. And so. That's how this this all charter system evolved you know and people on the outside. Look at this they say yeah. This is a case where a bunch of right wingers you know. They they wanted to bring the free market Camillo Liberals. Yeah and they here. They had this opportunity because the city had been destroyed and they rushed in and the Heritage Foundation and Milton Friedman. And all these people you know they. They came in and They're responsible for this free market thing and nothing could be further from the truth. This was a bunch of problem problem solvers. who were just thinking? We gotta do something that works for these kids and they were led step by step to. Is this all charter system. And and this is where the second phase of power comes in because what we're seeing here is what power was preventing before Katrina Right. We can see that there were battles and they were winners and losers. What we couldn't see is that all of these problem solvers Kathleen Blanco and pastor rick and all the rest? Were not behaving like radicals. They gave no indication indication that they had this potential to upend the traditional system. They didn't even think about it right. So that was the second face of power stifling any activity that they could have engaged in they knew they would lose and causing them basically to just play inside the box but as soon as the power was taken away they had this radical potential. That just came out that was completely hidden. And and snuffed out right and that's the part of power that we never see. We can't observe but the power is doing the people all the time every day in every school district right there. Are these problem solvers. Who have this potential to really do big things? But they're not doing. They're not talking about them. They're not proposing them. They're not pursuing them because of the second phase of power and the Katrina natural experiment. FAIRMONT allows us to see what power has been preventing all this time and what is preventing everywhere else because the conditions there are normal normal. The schools are protected by vested interest. And the second face of power is stifling these kinds of major reforms and we see this in the economy economy of course elsewhere obvious example would be the innovation of Uber and lift dis- disintermediating during the destroying the taxi system. Now they're not making a living and I'm making money yet so it's not clear that this is going to be be an effective way of changing the way people catch rides in American cities but just the technology alone and and the opportunity to see where you're going and to not use cash out of pocket but rather pay with a credit card. These are innovations. That could have been done Well well they could have been done terribly long ago. But as soon as that technology came along essentially it's an end around and for a lot of areas where the government has has made aided hard to compete and around the only way you can change things which is why a lot of people put a lot of hope into Online education as a way to get around this stasis in the school system we're talking about it hasn't succeeded at all yet but I wanna I wanNA close with this second phase of power in all these examples of where There is potential right for change. We just don't see it and as communists economist. I love that reminds me of bus. jots essay the scene in the unseen unseen and the broken window fallacy. We'll put a link to that for those of you. Don't know that that essay but I want to think about other areas. I I want to think about other cities in the movie version of this These people use names you've mentioned They would be carried off stage on the shoulders of parents in enjoy and happiness that their children finally getting a decent education. They would be feted at their funerals. They would get long eulogies of gratitude and weeping and and that's other leaders around the country with then say we could do that too and suddenly charter. Schools would take over the country. The children would be liberated from corrupt and Ineffective Public School Systems in urban America. But that's not happening. According to what I've learned from Your Book Doc Not Literally but I know the incentives aren't there for that to happen and similarly the pharmaceutical industry or the real estate industry or whatever it is Which has a set of vested interest in the current system? Very hard to change those very difficult. They do wonderful things by the way. I don't want to criticize. It shouldn't pick on the pharmaceutical industry but the natural incentives they face extend their patents when they can to keep out generics. And you know we've talked about this many times on the program. There are ways to make that better. They don't happen. The bills. Don't get proposed if they get proposed. They lose people get discouraged and what I see. ECON talk is doing is trying to change a little bit of the political sentiment from the bottom up for some of these ideas that might make the world a better place and leave things in place that do work well but that's a long quixotic approach. is there any grass robbed him. Is there anything we can learn from this other other than in all these other areas of frustration whether it's zoning and high rent in American handful of American cities or other areas where public the policy is still dysfunctional or current healthcare system. Where all we do? It seems relentlessly subsidized abandoned restraint supply it just depresses the heck out of me. What are we learn for a analysis or is this just a one off without a hurricane? You know just the way it is. I think what it highlights is that the normal situation for all institutions across all policy realms in all countries at all times is that institutions give rise the vested interests and those vested interests tend to be powerful and they will protect those institutions from change. And while they're doing that they're not only stopping reformers in political conflicts there also suppressing all kinds signs of reformist activity. That could be taking place. And all kinds of Sir powerful reformist ideas and willingness to engage in really radical reforms and all of these things go unobserved. But they're out there. I and so for those of us who want big change in institutions and you WanNa fix institutions that aren't working it's important to recognize that the vested interests are at the core of this problem that's number one and we need to focus on them and see them as the core of the problem and number two. We need to recognize that a lot of the players who seem like they're just `incrementalist and pragmatists who are operating within the system and who quote except upped the system right just trying to tinker with it. Those people have the potential any of them to be radicals and to up end the traditional system. If they just have half a chance to do it by removing the power the vested interests I just have to make one more point. I apologize for my rant. A minute ago was rambling and incoherent. Try to say it's slightly differently We had an episode recently with on the program with Mike. Munger way talked about whether Mike and I are both big fans of free markets. Where whether cronyism what we call crony? Capitalism is an inevitable evolution of capitalism whether it's inevitable that that PLO that economically powerful actors will use the political system to protect themselves from competitors and and we'll use the political system to increased their profits. And we didn't come to an answer. Obviously it's it's an answerable question but I think it's something that free market people should worry about that. There's some inherent tendency detoured this. Wh What is fascinating about our conversation today with you Terry is that it seems to me. That cronyism is ubiquitous. It's not not a EKA capitalism problem. It's a human problem that when people get things they like whether it's a A firm mm-hmm that's making profits and wants to keep out competitors whether it's a school board that likes the fact that they don't have to compete for students in their retrain They're going to naturally turn to the political legal system to keep that going and I. I think that's an important parallel. An important point again. I think the way to if you have any idealism this amount there folks and you wanted to try to make the better place. I think it's gotTa start by understanding that you gotTa Start Understanding how incentives work and you have to believe we've as I do that in a world where lots of people eventually come to believe and understand these believe and understand these impacts that maybe that's a way to get a slightly different set of incentives through the political system. That would restrain these kinds of cronyism that that that hurt that hurt People generally. I think that's very well put. This is a universal phenomenon across all institutions. It's not just about markets it's not just about capitalism this is about all institutions of all types vested interests are everywhere They're unavoidable they have incentives to become politically powerful and they will use it In order to protect institutions that may be performing very badly and that is a real threat to democracy. My guest today has been Terry Mow. His book is the politics of of institutional reform. It's short and sweet Terry. Thanks for being part of ECON talk. Thanks for having me. This is ECON- talk part of the library. Economics and Liberty for Mauri Contact Econ Talk Doc Dot org where you can also comment on today's podcast and find links and readings related. Today's conversation sound engineer. Free Talk as rich yet. I'm your host Russ Roberts. Thanks for listening. Talk to you on Monday.

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Water and Environmental Justice in Louisiana  Bonus Episode

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Water and Environmental Justice in Louisiana Bonus Episode

"Morning My name is Dr Chris Drunk and I'm a geography professor at August Antioch College. I'm here on campus on a beautiful summer morning with Hunter Ridley. He's a recent geography, environmental studies graduate. Hunter and I both traveled to the Louisiana Gulf coast this winter right before the covid nineteen outbreak as part of a January term class called water and Environmental Justice August recently made the switch from trimesters two semesters. This January was our first crack at an at an intensive three week course. However geography has a long history. Of Field experience courses where we examine a place from a geographical perspective, which means that we learn about how the natural. How history culture politics the economy of place are all interconnected and worked together to produce a sense of place. Our class really focused on the changing landscape of the of the Louisiana Gulf Coast which is a really dynamic place that is experiencing some of the most dramatic rates of coastal land loss anywhere in the world as a result of rising sea levels. The impact of oil and gas pipelines, marsh ecosystems, and the loss of sediment as a result of levies and other river. Control Infrastructures. At the same time, the Louisiana Gulf coast is also an incredibly resilient place where communities are struggling to maintain their land environments in the face of pollution, coastal version and hazards like Hurricane Katrina. And so after we spent about ten days on campus learning about our coastal land loss about environmental justice about the relationship of the Louisiana Gulf coast with places around the world including the Midwest, we traveled with a group. Of Fifteen students and two professors to a number of cities and small towns on the Louisiana Gulf coast. Hunter what was your experience like? Doreen. August Santa's I j term. So assessor said, this Louisiana was also part of the J. Term Class. So these classes are usually take one class for about three weeks and it's really Intensive class where this is the only class, go to for about three hours a day and you go Monday through Friday. And I really enjoyed this class at because it's a really effective way to learn a lot of information, an hyper focus, your attention on one subject because that's the only thing you're learning about day in and day out. That's what you're reading for your homework and you're going back to the conversations questions. It's you're having with your classmates in your professor every single day. So it was a, it was a good way to learn about all different aspects of the NFC you didn't just take a class on the. Physical geography of it. He didn't just take a class on the cultural or the geopolitical learn it all and relearn every single facet of this place. So you have a really well rounded geographical kind of understanding of the you are studying and soon visit. So Oh yeah. So we have a ten day field trip attached to this class, which is really special because you go from reading all these books and watching films and learning about Louisiana it's coastlands and culture, and then you could actually visit with all your classmates. superfund because geography geography classes just have like a notoriously awesome field trip experience Roy attached to them. So we got to visit. New Orleans and learn about like culture. We got to visit coastal places like coca jury, which really out in the kind of marshlands in the islands done the Gulf coast and you get to eat the food that you learn about your. Experience occasion culture really at the heart of it, meet these people who live and work on on boats and fish for a living and live on coquetry experience like the coastal land loss and fighting for justice like every day you we got to meet people who live in what they call locally. We Cancer Alley, which is this. Location. Just surrounded fully by like petrol petrochemical plants and even warned when you like visit there that you might leave the migraine increase stated after you know a couple of hours just because the air is so dense info, the pollutants and people have to live here. So the. Experience. Really adds to it because you are living and breathing what you're learning and it's not longer a textbook or a video that you're watching class. When. Really exciting part of our water and environmental justice class was a student podcast project that we're presenting today. Hunter and her classmates conducted research on different places and organizations that we visited in Louisiana. They wrote in practice interview questions, and then they conducted interviews with experts from research organizations like the Water Institute of the Gulf based in baton, Rouge or advocacy groups like the Louisiana Bucket Brigade and the two Lane Institute on Water Resources and policy. We also met with community based organizations like road at Youth Farm. In new? Orleans. And also a students got to meet and speak with a boat captain at Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium Coquetry Louisiana. Hunter, how did you and your classmates developed this podcast project? Sherry. So in the class, we split up into groups based on our topic of interest some of tackled. What we called Cajun Culture, which is part of Louisiana's history. And present some of US looked into coastal land loss pill of a slick due to cancer alley the kind of. Work that they were doing there to combat and bring justice with their So we SORTA scary space on topics and then we came up with interview questions. Basically, what do we want to know from these people in a short five or ten minute interview? What can they really tell us about their experiences? And then as we wrote the questions and then as we went day by day in our trip, we got to meet these people care presentation from usually or do a tour with them, and then we could ask them are questions and put it together in kind of culmination of this final class project that will be the podcast that you'll be elicited. And other any takeaways any big Big seems that you came away from his class with. I think I, think the biggest thing was an incense. cheesy because geographer I I always say this geography is really in everything. So when you take this class, you think geography, we're going to learn where things located but like you learn so much about the culture and view learn so much about how politics are involved in how normal people who live every single day and I think the big takeaway is that. Something you learn in the class about the physical in the cultural aspect of replace really just scratching the surface and not just that you have to visit a place to really Always understand it, but it really helps and I think learning about our place in its entirety in every single facet utan helps you understand how physical cultural people politics everything is really connected to each other and I think it's a good outline for how you should look at any place you're interested in studying learning about. Thanks. Hunter. A. Great Time Learning About Water Environmental Justice on the Gulf coast of Louisiana, and we're really happy to share this edited version of our J.. Term Class Project which is produced as a bonus episode of the lives of the mind. August Santa podcast network project. Here's the episode. ooh. It is early morning in January and the bombing of southern winter wraps around your limbs as Uber Clutch. You're not in Illinois anymore where the single digit temperatures wind whipped your cheeks on the way back to the Quad City International Airport. You've got sixteen other classmates exploring the stunning coast with you and ten days to do it. Welcome to your J. Term Water and Environmental Justice Louisiana Gulf coast. The phone even get on the plane you know that Louisiana is losing land at a rapid pace nearly two thousand square miles between nineteen, thirty, two and two thousand sixteen have already been lost due to coastal erosion. In order to understand environmental solutions to this land loss, you've got to hear about the most comprehensive legislation to protect. Louisiana with the mastermind behind the plan. This is Reggie. Dupre an instrumental player in the fight against Costa land loss. His biggest concern is making sure his is ready for the next big hurricane. Terre Bonne parish lies on the southeast borders of the state vulnerable to flooding erosion whether Gulf of Mexico meets land. One of Dupree's greatest successes was writing the coastal master plan in two thousand seven as well as creating the coastal protection and restoration authority of Louisiana or CPR A. CPR. End the. Legislation to. Dedicate. Offshore Oil and gas revenues or constitutional amendment, and also the first map. What we did when we in two thousand after Katrina, we create a CPA. where we consolidated and integrated culture of the region Turkey on the one umbrella. when they I can tell you on Costa policy in general. This is naughty. Emigrant Republican type deal matter who's sitting in the governor's mansion is always. The Issues Trans in. you know above party politics and all that is. An example myself mean, Louisiana's a very conservative Republican states ill and I'm. I'm a dinosaur I'm a I'm still a registered Democrat never switch, but some old. US A, call. So as Reagan Democrats. and. We are. So these policies you know no matter who's in the governor's office spin a big big issue you know an officer under. Now since we first created a Subaru, we've had two Republican to Democratic Governors policy just keep moving forward, which is good. Relying on an intersectional approach to coastal protection, the Master Plan Proposes One hundred twenty four projects to restore the coastline and is updated every five years. These projects range from creating marshes to maintaining huge engineering feats like floodgates and spillway these. Although the plan currently costs fifty billion dollars. It has been projected to save one hundred, fifty billion dollars in response to flooding hurricanes and land loss. Dupree credit success to luck and timing the plan after Hurricane Katrina. All generals all about timing. Sometimes, you gotTA. You know like today. Because of the past few years of downturn, the own Gaza. Dollar if we, could, get. Even, a majority vote much unanimous vote on on on dedicating all you know all future revenues for all in Gaza but. So you have to. Have your plans. That you have to implement at the right time. So timing is extremely important. I was just at the right place at the right time with. A after Katrina we Our governor. Kathleen. Blanco. She had. The reputation of sort of freezing up like an disaster with beyond her but she's made up for it and and push me sneak major major changes coastal policy right after. Although it has been thirteen years since the coastal master plan was enacted, it's still faces political difficulties as a Congressional Act. Congress can choose to undo the plan at. Anytime. Levy managers must also regularly compete with developers for permits to build flood control structures and Tehran perish even though we've. Implemented, we constantly constitutionally dedicated as offshore revenue. It is created by congressional lack which can be known mucking Vol. Congress. So we always generally clean defense. So, under both of 'em end beginning at of of the trump administration's off the budget and Matt in beef, you know tried to undo it. You know to why sending the Gulf coast states do this funding. so Protecting net funding sources always a big issue for us. and on. Some of the issues is on like Regulatory Reform You know we seeing all these indirect benefits of what we building who we get zero credit for as far as mitigation policy we still have to. The federal government almost has a double standard. For after Katrina, they gave special provisions to the Corps of Engineers the steel yet day not finished all that mitigation. From, all the impacts from Katrina. Around in New Orleans area, but we held to a standard of concurrent mitigation projects so. There needs to be. A multi tiered. Mitigation Pot environmental policy I think which is you know a tall order try to amend the Neva. Tra- now to pray hopes that projects finished in the coastal plan will be enough to slow land loss and protect Louisiana from further damage. At the LSU Center for River Studies, you learn just how quickly Louisiana sinking into the ocean you look away from the giant Mississippi River model. And move your attention to a map projected land loss over the next fifty years. Most of the coast is outlined in red splotches symbolizing land loss as a result of coastal erosion, competing interests of river hydrology cities, and hurricanes. As you look over the Mississippi River in Baton Rouge you cannot believe how connected you are to this place, how both of your perspectives and Rock Island and Louisiana have been shaped by the same water. You are connected to this place to this water to these people. No matter how foreign the Spanish Moss or Awkward Brown Pelicans our first Clinton's. According to Chris Album from Tulane law school in new. Orleans however connection to that water has called for aggressive management strategies as Louisiana residents grapple Costa loss. How would he describe the current situation? Pervasive all encompassing. Issue that really is. Existential threat to the entire state. Not so hopeful. Ben The face of climate change coastal collapse album identified multiple techniques that the coastal protection and restoration agency CPR A and the state of Louisiana are implementing to tackle the problem. A lot of the mitigation restoration efforts in Louisiana or. Through. The CPA the. Coastal, Protection Restoration Authority and Louisiana, which is run out of the governor's office. and. The work that the CPA does is usually translated at a large scale in what they call the coastal master-plan. Last one was put out in two thousand seventeen. The next one will come out in two, thousand, twenty three and it's sort of this kind of road map of what they want to do. in the long term and long term meaning like decades and then every year see period puts out an annual plan which says this year this is what we're doing and and they really ends up just sort of as the list of projects. Like what's being worked on this year? and. So a lot of the coastal restoration. And preservation work resiliency work kind of comes through that Lens But then there's other stuff that happens at the state level. The Office of community. Development recently had program. It's still ongoing called Elliott safe, which was a specific six parishes where they did. A series of public meetings and gathering information from people in those parishes to find out. Now, what would serve them best in the face of climate change of the coastal collapse? and. Then use that process to determine like what would be what kind of projects we put in place in those parishes. All these strategies are meant to protect people the diverse and vivacious people who live in this place. In between the Jambalaya and shrimp co-boys you witnessed. The vast cultural landscape through your taste buds. From. French. To Spanish colonization enslavement of African peoples migration of exiled accordions Cajun's from Canada. The presence of Vietnamese immigrants in the transients of other populations. The story of this land is written on the hearts of its residents, an emotional location based bond called place attachment. For Captain Carl Proud Cajun Boat Captain at Louisiana University. Marine consortium Lum Con. Blend has changed since his youth as a result of hurricanes and increased erosion. My Name's Karl. wondering just five miles north to hear. My whole life I was actually born in my parents house not at a hospital. So Many. My whole life. I'm just turned fifty five. January and all. The seen a lot allows land change I've seen. Lots of changes and everything. For Wild Animals shrimp industry fish and crabs. Oysters on The march we have here is we call it an estuary so we have to have. This. Marsh Follow Seafood Industry so that The crabs, shrimps, and fish coming in leading, need a place to later egg, and also if we lose all this land is gone, so the deficient industry is going to be. In real bad shape. It was all the rest of this land and we have. Many of his childhood friends and family have moved away from the area according to Karl the state is sinking. And a Lotta People's blaming the hurricane. Flood, it's not. It's not because they're hurricane eleven because we're sinking. May We're saying I mean I'll see by how much we're sinking. Mall little. Shrimp Boat. I've seen how much land was losing their by that but I could go today and that was a long island here. I can go two days later half of it was gone because erosion. Strong winds and no matter which way you get to wins from is going to eat up lane is going to keep washing it away so. Just to fighting. Fighting a losing battle. That's all we're doing. As a third generation shrimpers and Fisher Carl has seen what saltwater intrusion has done to marine life in the areas areas that were once home to cattle. Giant oak trees are now entirely open water. Shrimp and fish are less plentiful and on the water are now dwindling. A lot of lot of boll the people pass away. But a lot of the young ones got out of the fishing industry because. Of what's going on to make a living in anymore. So they into all work in some weather guate- stages to get a job you know just to get out of it. Celebrates Cajun culture by living off the land and by paying tribute to his roots in the food he eats and catches. Kidding Culture for me, I would say by living off the land and yet a music The way was raise. say most of Bali of the land I mean that's what we've done our whole life and that's Pretty much what occasion did down here you know we still we still do us do. You know me from fish and shrimp and hunting. would ever get off off the land that's what we've done and we still doing. And also, that's what I would consider. The Cajun Culture for what will we've doing what you're asking me the best could explain it to y'all. So, but I really enjoyed it. Do quite a few more years before passing away you know. So that's what I would call it for me. All Know Cajun music, we got real good Cajun music here saw. The food had a foods really great on. I mean like I said, I'll hunt the ducks and rabbits and deers and. Seafood. Crabs and shrimp. Yep so I'd go came from. Yeah. I mean back in my parents all had big gardens. You know. So back into day when it was tough, they made gardens and. If a shrapnel went shrimp and he needed fresh vegetable. So did just came in and swaps it would like money and no boss trump, which it would just skimmed just swab vegetables for seafood so. Shrapnel trade-in have gardens that he could stay on figures garden. So he went trapping. So whoever's guarded he come back and just swamped with each other. So it worked out pretty good for everybody although he understands that the next big storm could wipe out his house next summer or the coastal erosion may slowly replace his neighborhood with water over the years. Captain Carl aims to stay and live off the land for as long as he can. This is his home. Of always done it. You know we've been resolved the land and that's How that's how I wanNA live the rest of my life La di. fucking live off the land and. As. You traveled to New Orleans you walk through the same streets that fifteen years ago were submerged in water during Hurricane Katrina. You see houses that are lifted several feet off the ground and storm shutters old windows, each artifact tangible reminder this land has seen and we'll see hurricanes again. For Dr Scott Hamilton. Director of human dimensions at the Water Institute of the Gulf, the horrors of Hurricane Katrina are what gave his work critical purpose. A New York state native. He was originally looking to transfer with his wife to a different place until the hurricane. which was devastating to the area unlike any storm recent memory. STREP. It's almost like from moving here ninety nine till. Now it's almost like watching a child grow up you kind of watch from afar as the city grows in changes and becomes something different especially after Katrina, there was really this growth of. Of of Baton Rouge in general but Assamese. Here, I think Katrina was one of those. It was one of those events that kind of change a lot of people's lives and even though. My wife is from Saint Bernard parish in her parents lost everything during the storm and they ended up. Moving to Florida and her brother ends up moving up to Tennessee. And she and I were the to really we want to get out of. Louisiana. Suddenly, we found that we were the only ones here. In her family and it really was but then it kind of also solidified. What it was, we wanted to do with our jobs. It's you. You realize Katrina was as it is one of those those moments in it's. Changed how we viewed everything evaluating the social impacts of Hurricane Katrina allowed to cope and to find meaning through mapping disaster are small role that we do as. Geographers in G. I. S. USERS was mapping the nine one one calls that came in and getting those out to the emergency response workers in the field. And the first time I mean, it's like every two or three hours you get a remote nine one one calls in. It's like we need to get the details to get an NGO s we need to get the maps out in the first couple it's like. You reading the All and it's like. It has all the details of the call written there. It's like, wow, look at this look, and then you see one that's on. My Wife Street that she grew up on A. Grandmother trapped in the attic with her grandchild and as a parent. Who Have you know? It's like. You know what my job is now to. Put points on APPS. Give me the lat long. Put the point to get it in the David data table send it out. We can't pay attention but I mean those kind of things. Really. Yeah, it kind of solidify why. Why were here now hemmerling uses his GPS and research skills to understand how the coast came to be. He Studies People's motivations, values, communities, and their interactions with the Louisiana landscape in order to get a better picture of what this place means a hole. Tell the story of Louisiana and help really. UNDERSTAND WHY? Why is worth protecting because? That's probably a question that. COMES UP A lot is well. I should we spend? Fifty billion dollars to protect the coastal Louisiana. Environmental Justice, in Louisiana is just about water rights are managing the sinking coastline for some it's about the right to clean him. And the town of Noriko residents call their homeland cancer alley and your tour guide warns you that you might experience migraines after leaving you meet Reverend Harry Joseph Pastor, and activist for clean air and Saint James Parish. He works with several organizations to protest the pollution of land by Shell. And other fines. My name is Robyn Harry Joseph on the pastor amount triumph. Louisiana, I've been passing off Dec- would be my last year and in two thousand eleven I got install and in two thousand and thirteen I got involved with all. Industries and stuff like that because of what's going on in our area That was sickly. So I thought it was time to get involved. Let the world know that we don't have to do with living. You don't have to kill people to make the money that we're making. And our government is about the mighty dollar. And I don't think that this country really gas in earl where we cry. But we don't need. Storage and shipping. Two Countries? And then we want to control. And that's our follow me. In the United States, we wanted control every country. Country depends on the United States. As you bike with everyone on top of the levy separating high river from homes you see the flair of an oil refinery tower constantly burning in the background. It seems so out of place among the flying of great white egrets and the dignity of old live oaks. But here shall is king. Here, most of the neighborhood has left with empty homes still blocks from the oil plant. Here, according to Reverend Joseph the remaining people are constantly fighting to breathe how long the people are GonNa Laugh in our area because I said that earlier that a lot of people are seeking are here you a lot of people suffering up to respiration lot of people died nuclear council lavas young leaders are Digress Council and out that some ladies even having child problem then children. So where do we go from here and I just feel that Is Enough it's time for our government to send no a lot of because. You can make all the money in the world. But what good is money? If you ain't got the people to spinning? And the people that are getting these jobs is not the people community. Is the pupil coming from out of the state because we see more. than. I oversaw. The legacy of slavery is here largely low income minority residents norcal when other towns like it across the United States experience exposure to toxic conditions at disproportionately higher rates than their white counterparts. ANWR office founder of the Louisiana Bucket Brigade draws comparisons between big oil and plantations and their extractive nature. Of the land, an exploitation of black people. That things can change. It can turn around for us. Because we are the people living a black community saint lose the black community we had to write was in there but when the pass came in. The ball would they need and what they need? White Palmas only. You know their families are related so they'll buy all that. and lead the blacks radio and they will not come to offer to us and y'all WanNa do the sampling out no because we by renewed and the whites bill. Very few whites dinner. Where you might have had thirteen or fourteen. Now, you might find one or two. So it's hard in our area for us. As a black neighborhood to see us being destroyed rely on the more than one store. In San. And how many people? Got Up. A twenty five. But you got one store and that's a small stove was a blackstone small. And we all have to. Go shopping and got gotta go to Donelson girl onto typical to get what we. Can Build, but you can't build a diesel store for people who live so wins on, you begin to understand that all of it, the restoration plans and management strategies. The celebration of culture and demonstrations of activism is for the sake of the land and the relationships inseparable from it. Grow at youth. Farm Program Manager Kevin Connell teaches you the story of New Orleans City Park. Grow Dat youth farm is a farm within a city where youth community members come together and produce food sustainably straight from the soil. And small groups, you work together to discuss the intersections of slavery, wealth, indigene, and responsibility to land. Growing. Food in the face where we are is important everywhere right because that's one major dimension. To. Capitalism. By Leeann are places I. think that also we tend to a lot of power in connecting with land and there's a lot of power in. Young people and having a space for young people are asked to think critically and be together and diverse community that we basically like craft the world that we want and miniature. and so provide powerful model for. Mike how could be living on the land and how he could be relating to each other and how we could be talking about racism we talking about access. We're doing that care and I think that. In doing that, we model that for other people and we develop our capacity to lead and to make the world that we want. So that's why I think it's important on your last day Louisiana? He reminds you that food justice and Land Justice and environmental justice all come from the respect we have the respect we have recovered. This is unless you will carry with you when you board the plane back. And say goodbye to the street Chai's. Levies the crowd ads the eternal summer. Your lessons doggone. You have stories to tell about how we should live alongside nature how we can understand our relationships to place. And the Mississippi River is calling again. Waiting for you to come visit. We went to thank all the people we met in Louisiana who were so generous with their time. Meeting with our class and talking with the students for this podcast project, we got to me to really amazing group of geographers, historians, boat captains, activists, and elected officials in Baton Rouge Noriko coquetry in. New Orleans a partial list includes Dr. Craig Colton at Louisiana State University. Dr Scott Heavenly. At the Water Institute of the Gulf and Rothfusz and Kate. Macintosh Louisiana Bucket Brigade? Pastor Harry Joseph of Rye Saint James. Carl. Seven. At the Louisiana Universities. Marine consortium coquetry. Reggie dupre at the Tehran levying and conservation district Dr Karen Letham. At the Louisiana State Museum. Kevin Connell at great youth farm and crystal album at two at the two main institute on Water Resources Policy. House wanted to say thanks to the really great group of students who accompanied me and Dr Rubin Heine to Louisiana the all did a great job. The group of students we had include Tabby Cooley Natalia Chaparral Ski Ryan Donahue Katie Evans. Mia Jurassic. Gonzales Ryan. Wave Alex Lundy Mike Mankowski Alex Roseanne thrashed. Emily. See Bow Young and sought feek zero Haya.

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CURSED AND BLESSED

"Thirty for thirty podcasts are brought to you by state farm whether in the game of basketball or in life having an MVP on your side makes all the difference. Your State Farm Agent Strives is to be your MVP ready to come through in the clutch when you need it. The most whether it's buying a new home coping with a car accident or building the foundation for your future. You can feel confident confident in mill when you don't have to go along with the state farm agent on your team you'll be well prepared for whatever life brings your way state farm here to help life go right eight. ESPN you're listening to thirty for thirty thirty PODCASTS. My name is jody aggregate the Louisiana Superdome was built to help propel New Orleans into the future an era of national prestige For Louisiana as one politician put after almost forty years and countless games concerts festivals not to mention storms and political the fight. It still standing and in many ways. It continues to capture the essence of one of America's great cities all the hope canes superstition. It's all wrapped up in the history of the giant dome that dominates the skyline. This is the story of that dome and that city now before are we continue a word of warning. This episode contains mature language and content. Now we present cursed and blessed are narrator Tariana tank ball of the New Orleans van tank and the Bengals Ladies and gentlemen. This is not a test. This is the real deal. This is the storm. Some have long long feared the one that could potentially devastate New Orleans a city which is both below sea level and surrounded by water on the morning of August. Twenty eight two two thousand five a Sunday New Orleans officials declared the first ever citywide evacuation as Katrina move towards landfall. We bought it. Our houses. Gather our families and loaded cards never realizing that things were about to change forever. You have an obligation to yourself and your family to haul I get outta here. We inched along itin right past the city's biggest building but thousands without cars with no means evacuate headed to that huge building the Louisiana superdome the refuge of last resume superdome is meant for football games names major events. It's not a hospital. It's not a hotel. There was no manual on how to deal with this kind of crisis. Dutton manages the superdome. The Modern Hurricane Katrina arrived. He was in his conference room with the National Guard. Plan for how to provide for the people who are now sheltering on the field right outside the window the storm was raging in the lights blinked and they went off so we've lost power generators on on and we've got to make sure that people don't panic and the minute. I walked outside the conference room. I hear that loud banging noise. It was deafening. It sounded like a rollercoaster going over the room. It sounded like a New York New York City subway train others said they thought it was thunder or someone hammering and in a way it was. It was Katrina hammering away at the roof trying to get in every time time. A huge gust of wind would blow. You hear that Metal Deck Just Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang against the frame and then it would subside a little bit and then you'd hear it again. It would just rapidly. Hit the steel. Mike Foster worked security for the Dome he was there. As part of dogs. Emergency team bombs. Follow top of the building how to sound boom bloom. And what was happening is when the wind was ripping that metal deck away peeling Louis coming off the bill. It was like a schoolyard. Bully beating up on your best best friend. You WanNa make it stop but for eight hours it continues. You think it's going to stop but it doesn't it. Just the wind keeps pounding and then when the eye passes it shifts and it pound you a different side. That's what Katrina was Katrina was a bull ages does punching your best friend and the superdome couldn't punch back in the Super Dome was in big trouble and it wasn't the first time this huge iconic building this fixture of New Orleans greatness was shaky from the moment people I started dreaming of it and there was always tied over questions about New Orleans was who was for where we were headed later sixties. We were very conservative. Sleepy big city in the south. I mean we've always been recognized as a great historic unique site but will always also been condescending condescending wrong in terms of commerce moon Landrieu was the mayor of New Orleans for most of the nineteen seventies and before that a city council person. He made his mark by taking a strong stance against segregation. We will coming out of segregation era in the south. I was moving heaven and nurse who tried to integrate society. Sports played a major role when it came to racial integration through the sixties and seventies sometimes led the way with black and white players on the same team. Sometimes it showed how far a city like New Orleans who wanted to attract a pro sports franchise still had to go in nineteen sixty five. The American can football league came to New Orleans for the annual all-star game sports journalist Rob-robin African American. Please cavs wouldn't big him up. He couldn't go and someone to places. This is in the French quarter and so they got together. New said we ain't playing and they moved the game Houston which didn't look good for city net. Wanted to get a professional sports sports franchise. It was the first boycott of a city in professional sports history. And what's more the game had been moved to Houston another southern city. Eddie on the rise. This was a major blow. New Orleans wanted a protein but the northern one league was nervous. Alex Lewis was the first head of personnel at the superdome track major teams major traction major tourism dollars. We had to get away from the but just one year later in one thousand nine hundred sixty six New Orleans managed to convince the NFL l.. that it was a changing place. The city got its team. A lot of this was due to the work of one man Dave Dixon. I know that the national football league franchise readdress would be a great thing for this study. Exactly what it needs. He was a businessman well connected and he loves sports. He put everything he had into. Lobbying being-for pro fantasize and when he got the Yes we got our saints to me. The name saints was perfect because of the song everybody knows who saw them could stop one hundred people on the street say. Have you ever heard you saw wasn't saints. Go Marching Oh yeah sure one hundred one hundred one thousand nine hundred sixty seven season. The the saints will play at Tulane stadium but Dave Dixon had a vision for a better home. Something like Houston's astrodome which will be perfect. In New Orleans hat muddy weather man named I considered Work Trudeau Superego. Dixon Convinced Governor John McCain been a politician from North Louisiana that the state should build a huge stadium. Way Down South in New Orleans. God who said that. Would astrodome look like a peanut goal. And they said that would be the greatest bill by God knew. It's one thing to say bill that second in another to actually build it sports writer. We'll pin again. It was like juggling blades AIDS five or six hundred time to get it done. There was anxiety constantly and building the state and not only where it was going to be built would. Who's GonNa Build? The tool is going to be the architects. How are we going to get minority? Involvement in race was such a Barium port and part of this and I think it is served to galvanize. Alvin is and make racial relations for better home. We kind of thought that just a dome with the largest economic DEMOC development project. We should be involved. Dan Hubbard was active in the civil rights movement and a leader in the Congress for racial equality. So how'd you get involved. Doc Get involved by owning a company that would go in there. Dan started a business. Will politician Sherman copland and they landed the first contract to operate the superdome Sherman. And I kind of call it Economics Black Economics. He had more African in anybody Robinson. Listen was one of those highs. Ed worked at the Dome for twenty three years. Insecurity in Vin as we've been coordinator is an opportunity for us to go work. Bu- Aw Large African American company. Eh grew up in New Orleans on the West Bank of the Mississippi. Every time he crossed the river got a front row view of the Super Dome being built smack in the middle of downtown never dream different in here. New Role MMA are sitting was doing but building. This new era wasn't cheap. Moonlight Andrew was worried. I call the governor said Governor and I think I better advise you that this stadium is running for for more than we had thought it would cost and what would campaign on. It's hard to build something this big but here in New Orleans. There's no avoiding the ground. We stand on New Orleans. Built Don would is a marsh wheel at sea level below civil at certain points and so when you drive pilings in New Orleans. They don't hit hit a base. Sometimes a piling is driven and it just goes down. And you've lost it just lost. Stadiums can turn into money pit and this was getting especially bad but the governor wasn't deterred and he said to me brother Mon flyaways always call me brother all the moon. Just don't worry about them. You just load the wagon. Finally August one thousand nine hundred seventy five after five years of planning and four for years of construction the Dome Open for business. The message boards. Ray Welcome tomorrow. It was an eye opener we can do this short stuff. Now may sound Michael Goofy little kid when I say this New Orleans that was moving essentially end of the big leagues in the Superdome fans in the tradition of the Great Fedral of Europe. I remember some ads. Put the hatchet on inside. This fly fly a plane green inside the Dome everything about the Superdome says. Be Big enough to hold the entire. Houston astrodome one impact. No one could ignore nor no other city has stadium that dominates the skyline. Like the Super Dome does you can see it from anywhere architecturally. It's timeless timeless spaceship. It's really a flying saucer. People in New Orleans Super Dome as a member of the family is super super super. A happy plates. We refer to this affectionately as the living room of New Orleans in the city that loves to party together. The Dome became the home. The District Football Games every type of celebration. It's always the place where the biggest thing we had. Paul Riding Rodeo Schnell very very interesting. I was here for the Rolling Stones Concert in Nineteen Seventy eight hall generation of lawyers took the bar exam in the Dome everything from boxing matches to monster trucks big time concerts like essence my first essence festival. I hosted a stage like a super lounge. I got the week we Lativa Dougie fresh. I never forget it. It's like so many things happened. The superdome that I know a number of circuses co pigskin again there I graduated from college superdome. I covered the first final four national convention. The bite alleys. It is the heartbeat of the city. Like most new Orleanians legendary jazz musician. Kermit Ruffians is personally connected to the dome super although it says it all kermit is New Orleans musical royalty. He founded the rebirth brass band started. TV series. Tra may belong before that when he was a little kid. Growing up in the lower ninth ward. Kermit's dad worked at the super. Don't and one time. He broke her to work and let them run around the turf. Her brother and my cousins would just go in the ball and running tattling each other. It was only us on the field it was headed all those lights huge arena in and then at your number real good at my dad given all push grow like come a push this room to stay in line and go all the way around the bottom flow decades later. During Science Games kermit would stand alone with his trumpet. A bit on the fifty yard lie. I played up national anthem. Numerous times in. Don't duck the and you talking about anxiety easy now. Kevin Rough in all common has has been a saints fan for as long as he can remember the biggest saints Fan. I wrote a song called Saints in the Super Bowl but it says all I want for Christmas. This is the saints in the Super Bowl Rapid Santa all it being a saints fan wasn't always easy back. On Karma was coming up. There was no way this team was going to the Super Bowl. The saints often seem to be playing every quarter as if they spent a long night in the French Corps for the first couple of decades. The New Orleans Saints lose indeed in the is at the Dome Open the team just can win and during the first eighteen years of their existence they have never had a winning ABC's this is truly the ideal team for the city that gave birth to the blues for much of the country watching on TV. The superdome was where they'd see embarrassed saints fans watching what paper bags. Over the heads affectionately referring to the losing team as the aints but still the fans game. Jeff Duncan has been writing about the saints for decades. He sees their fans as perhaps the most loyal all the football. If you live in this general well region you have to defend honor of the New Orleans Saints because they represent the city New Orleans they wear that flew Lee on their helmet city symbol safe and the dome their home was New Orleans. One big loving party in costal. Everybody's got blogging goals. People in New Orleans like to dress up you know Batman Saints Fan Clowns Saints Fan is. There's a Pope Saints Fan. There's a Moses Saints Fan Whistle Mazda bigwigs on his got one lady that wears refereed dress every game. darth saint the going this black long cape with black eye makeup horns coming out of his head saints crowds of most diverse national from all backgrounds races ages classes. All their. This is nothing team. These are the boys but despite by all the love that filled the dome the team continue to suffer on the field. People pointed to the usual reasons bag odors bad players but there were rumors was that the team's woes will because of the Dome itself Doug Dr Knew All about those rumors when the saints were one and fifteen you know and we were having these bad seasons and many people said it was because it was built upon an old graveyard here in New Orleans curses. No joke maybe. That's what made the saints the agents. We used to think that it was cursed but I I don't believe they've been in a League thirty four years. They've never won a playoff game. In two thousand a saints finally had a chance in the dome and the team wasn't taking any chances I remember when she went on the field the dance the she was a Jones a Voodoo priestess. I was going near to cleanse the Dome of evil spirits to bless the saints. Thanks and to bring the team to victory see. It had been thirty four years and they had never won a playoff game and so will they decided to bring the big guns and that would be me all of five feet two inches. Apart of the Dome was built. Built on the site of the old Gerard Street Cemetery. And you know that's really not exactly kosher to be building a sports facility facility on top of some people's ancestors you know people were feeling strongly that there was something other worldly going on here it. It was a hail. Mary pass able stood on the forty five yard line before the game began armed to the hilt with the tools of a voodoo priestess. I I think I had about three dancers three drummers myself and very importantly the snake AAC IANSA my pet boa constrictor and I was also armed with a bottle of GIN for the spirits. I was focused on the crowd and they were ready for us. They will just going wild just screaming and shouting go ahead. Don't you know just just cheering us on. I got sixty seven thousand people to chant along with me for everything I put in there. Nagara Bang I will tell him to Y'all with me Shang and that means about the power of the spirit it is done. I shape and it was done but Orleans saints advance in the playoffs. The Saints Won Their First Ever playoff game that day. After more Jordan thirty years as a franchise at that moment New Orleans had never loved the team of the Dome more but the Dome was getting old turning twenty eighty five when a lot of stadium start to show their age all around the country. Cities were reevaluating the domes they built in the seventies and eighties. All all these other multi purpose stadiums have died and been torn down clothing astrodome. which was the first Seattle built? The the Dole after superdome Detroit built a Dome Indianapolis Minneapolis. Ford Osaka's have been imploded. And the the truth is the superdome in the early two thousands was probably in need of a significant renovation. To stay just didn't have the money nevertheless saints owner Tom. Tom Benson one in Louisiana pay for it. Benson was from New Orleans but he also had a home in San Antonio where some thought he wanted to move the team Efforts to keep the New Orleans saints from leaving are the focus of much of the debate over the issue these days saints almost every. NFL owner in in the last ten years has tried to twist the arms of local officials to get more money to get new stadiums. Brian Boils oils. Is the author of New Orleans boom and blackout. Tom Benson was the head of the Finance Committee for the NFL for quite a long time. When they were making the strategy to demand public subsidies for stadiums Benson was powerful? He was hitting the team owned the city that housed the Dome and the state that owned and paid for it against each other but something was brewing that would transform. Everyone's priorities arm. Selma have long feared the one that could potentially prior to Katrina. Those are the two entities set with butting heads with the lease and in a way. I guess you could say that. Maybe Katrina saved that relationship. The thirty for thirty podcasts brought to you by on. Start if you're ever in a crash and you're an an onstar equipped vehicle. You have specially trained advisers ready to help Onstar onstar advisers can connect to your vehicle and get the help you need even if you can't ask for yourself because when the unexpected happens the last thing you want to be is alone On Star be safe out requires an Onstar plan working electrical system cell reception and GPS signal onstar links to emergency services details and limitations at ONSTAR DOT COM thirty for thirty podcasts is brought to you by Delta Airlines Delta flies the three eight hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where everyone does the same things. That's three hundred cities where the people in those three hundred cities think. 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The superdome was surrounded by water literally in island of last resort and as people were rescued from the addicts and rooftops. The houses were brought into the damaged. Dome convoy of high water vehicles are taking weary refugees. The higher ground left the superdome. It seemed like we just kept bringing people here. You know National Guard dropping him off by helicopter by boat by High Water Vehicle Survey Day. The place was just feeling the guard is out in the flooded neighborhoods. They are carrying families. Those families those evacuees then being taken to the superdome people trapped a lot of Hong. We don't have no water. I need medicine I need insulin right. Now become another big huge group of people wouldn't go never in the city is now cut off from the outside outside the main I ten rich the east shredded by trina storm surge other access routes underwater. It was still coming after the flooding. Some thirty thousand people would end up in the dome which was now without air conditioning. Had little light for its entire history history the superdome hosted people comfortably inside but now the outside headed come crashing in on Doug Thornton Mike Foster in all the people they were trying to to protect. I was scared in shock and didn't know what was going to come next. You know one of those people was Julie Pieri after the levees broke. She walked through the flooded city waist. High Water and made her way to the dome. Her father was next to her above her head. She carried her boyfriend's cat. Ah when they got to the superdome they spend one night inside but then moved outside to the domes raised plaza level where they formed a small group with the family whose kids took turns petting the cat inside her carrier. They slept on scavenge cardboard boxes and at one point Julian. The kids got out the colored pencils she brought with her. Yeah we colored. The cardboard into bed made little pillows sheets have to Kinda give it a like a sense of normalcy. Oh beverly kids. It was chaos. People were everywhere inside the Dome and out on the concourse endlessly waiting in the relentless heat and we will take this same walk. The same conversation seem not knowing. You just didn't know when you were going to get out. The tensions were obviously obviously getting higher. You know vice frustrated. It's probably eighty-five degrees inside and ninety five outside with one hundred percent humidity because how's everything is wet. Put that many people in one space in the heat after you've potentially lost everything. It was a Cesspool Espoo water dripping everywhere you could walk through. A stairwell fell like a waterfall. You hear people crying. Little small groups fighting bathrooms of flowing flowing. They went to the Russian wherever they can go. Limited food and water no bedding very few medical supplies. The mole was setting in Amancio. Hot Up in here. We're going to do we trapped. The building was on life support. It was now like a patient that was is struggling. Not just the people inside but the building itself was struggling to survive September. First two thousand five four days. After the first people arrived at the superdome buses begin waiting through the flooded streets to get to them. superdome is being cleared out again. Buses rolled overnight to get people out of that area. Doug Thornton how people file on watched the pulled away. It took several days to fully evacuate the Dome so many buses went to Houston to the astrodome. The stadium the superdome had been built to compete with exhausted and desperate families continues can you to recount the horrors of their ordeal New Orleans. superdome people died in swoop down. And you don't know nothing about it. All told. There were three debts in the superdome two elderly patients and one suicide there were also unconfirmed reports of rape and other violence for many who are inside the Dome like Julie Pieri. It was impossible to look at it or even think about the building. We've is pictured in my head. Just think. Oh that's where I was during Katrina and it was how on earth with us. You can't hear the Dome and not think about that time while the tremendous suffering in the building also early on it was a shelter shelter of last resort so it protected a lot of New Orleans. I mean the roof came. This building stood the stood very strong his say a tremendous amount on lives. Doug was the last superdome employees to leave the building and for the first time in days had a moment to reflect. It wasn't until we got in the helicopter and we started to lift off and I could see the roof firsthand about. I'd I with that roof and I'm seeing a nine point. Six Acre Roof Peo- like an onion pieces of metal deck and had been ripped by the win and curled up gaping holes as it were hundred feet long in the roof and it was really at that moment that I just realized how how massive the damage was i. My heart sank and then as we flew out over New Orleans I look back over my left shoulder and I could see the Dome in the background smoke. Okay billowing from some part of the city and I could see that roof destroyed and the water was glistening us in this is this is epic. It's over how could we possibly come back. How will we ever rebuild it? Four days later Doug Thornton flew backed by helicopter to take a look at the dome. And that's when I walked through head have respirator so much mold and bacteria here I remember seeing a a big pile of debris probably thirty feet high all his personal belongings and I saw the mold in the building it was starting to creep in at the very upper levels levels you could see it turning black black Doug did north. The Dome could be rebuild. which is what some people were saying? OPPO New Orleans beloved sinking city had never looked more vulnerable. No it's blasphemous to consider in America without an Orleans but this part of the world is eroding roading so pouring billions into land that is on borrowed time. How do you justify that in early October? A month after Katrina a team of architects and engineers told Doug the superdome could be rebuilt and FEMA would reimburse cause related to storm damage. Doug had also lost his home and neighborhood. He was recovering on two fronts. This this was his first glimmer of hope. It was something tangible that people in New Orleans could look to and say you know what we're putting a stake in the ground and we're coming back. You can't take away our our city and you can't take away our superdome and we plant a flag and we're going to be here for a while but in order order to rebuild. Doug needed other people to say yes. The city the state the team all the same types of people had to get together to build the Dome in the first place ice and some of US had different priorities. Like we building houses and getting dispersed new Orleanians back home again governor Kathleen Blanco. It was under a lot of pressure to rebuild roads hospitals schools and the superdome was probably far down the list. Pretty quickly though. The state was is on board. The Dome was a major economic engine. It could help the city recover and female would kick in money but there was one big problem Tom. Benson owner of the saints rumors started circulating. That Benson wanted to use the damage dome as an excuse to leave and move the team to San Antonio Without the saints will be little reason to invest in the Dome which sucks. That's like a double whammy match. Wink has lived in New Orleans his entire life a saint superfan. What are you trying to do? Or is this for leveraged. You really want to move the the team. We lost everything we have. That's all we got is on the saints man what Benson Covets is a new stadium to replace the thirty year old Super Dome which was pummeled by Katrina. Reporter started to confront Vincent about his plans to wear after a game at LSU stadium in Baton Rouge where the saints were playing some of their home games in two thousand five Benson surrounded by security lost his temper and swiped at a news camera and nearby fans saw the incident in started heckling. What'd you then? John said he feared for his safety being in Baton Rouge at the stadium. These fans are angry. I was like well. How yell? We're or angry just said that you were going to move the team madden understand what Benson was doing. The incident with the heckler was the final Straw so he and a friend decided to do something. Something they'd make t shirts they need to say. Fuck Benson the you as a Florida early. I was like I'm on it. They picked picked up the shirts and drove to LSU stadium in Band Ridge and we had the shirt John and we sold out of them before the game started. It was like one thing that was tangible right. There's all those things on that recovery whether it's like trying to get your money from FEMA or like getting your house right or job is not there because it flooded or whatever but like this particular person said that a might WanNa move the saints. Fuck that AH over the next several weeks it was a series of quiet conversations relations between the NFL. Local business. People in Tom Benson Benson was convinced. The team would be supported. He decided to stay Doug. Thornton could feel the rebuilding momentum growing engineers told him getting the dome back to one hundred percent. What take two to two and a half years? Then he got a call. I get a call from Roger Goodell. He wasn't the commissioner that he was the chief operating officer and he said is there any way that we can accelerate construction. Adele offered twenty million to help speed things along and get the Dome Ready for the two thousand six opener he said we. We really need to play the full season there. Next year. Construction started. The roof was a huge priority. And when workers began they planted a flag lag on the top of the Dome it had the hurricane symbol on it with the big strike through line that summer with the flag fluttering New Orleans had very little rain. One day mid-july Tom. Keller who was the superintendent for the roofing company he says. I've got great news. We're going to be substantial stantione. Complete forty days out of their schedule may be the first time in superdome history. Maybe the history of all construction auction a massive project was going to be done well ahead of time and then Tom Kelly told Doug and I'm taking the flag with me as a memento and the room went silent. It's a true story. He takes the flag down. He goes back to his home a week later. The first hurricane of the two thousand six hurricane season is brewing in the Caribbean all of New Orleans on high alert and we knew that the one thing that could stop our football game from being played in September would be another two or three week delay because of damage from another hurricane. And I call Tom. I said Tom Have you seen the whether he says No. I said there's a hurricane in the Caribbean. Where's the flag he said? Got It right here. I said get the damn flag back back on the roof. He said it'll be there tomorrow. He put the flag back on the roof. The hurricane went off up into the east coast in the Atlantic never made landfall. We didn't have one hurricane into the Gulf of Mexico in two thousand six not one Doug Thornton may not believe in curses but superstition takes many many forms in the flag state on the roof until the night we play. The Falcons is back inside. Superdome high on September twenty fifth. Two Thousand Six saints versus Fep last time but thousands gathered here. Their mission was survival. Well fifty six weeks after Hurricane Katrina ever stood at the doors watching people come in here and there is grateful to be back during the pre game ceremony. Dad was standing on the sidelines. Counting down the show and I'm hearing in my earpiece three to one and a house lights go dark and I realized that I was standing at almost the exact same spot on the football field on that morning that the roof was being peo- like an onion Indian and I look up and I see that same spot in the roof now and it's closed and I look around and I see all all the seats and they're filled with people and I just marveled it at the sense of how far we'd call tonight. What is the most significant New Orleans Saints Game Watching The saints come out? How on the field for their game against Alex and the crowd reaction it was electrical? I mean my body felt it I teared up. It was pretty we spectacular. And then just a few minutes into the game a playback what come to define the saints in their relationship with their city. The belkins were attempting tempting to punt in a little known special team player. Steve GLEASON CAIN screaming up the Middle One debut statue all sat the Superdome of Steve gleason having through the air blocking punt. The statue was called repaired. Those people who look to the New Orleans saints as something that will lift them up. Lift this city uplift. The entire Gulf region. They just Tadic. It's more than a football game and that delivered on on everything they could have hoped for me to say it was a spiritual experience is not an overstatement it. It was really transformational Mitch. Landrieu was New Orleans mayor from two thousand ten to two thousand eighteen after that game over the next few years he he saw the love grow. And grow the future the saints in the future of the city were inextricably bound and I think that we basically said you know you are Russian. We're you those no way that we were going to break up ever after that a word began to appear on signs and t shirts believe. Leave an inside. The Dome Fans knew they could help their saints to victory by creating as much noise as possible. You don't understand what it's like to be there. It is loud. Everyone in there is getting their emotions out. Could Shield them banging on the wall of the superdome and it rattles up and goes off the ceiling bounces straight down the field and has a roof so it never really leaves unlike an outdoor stadium. It never goes out. The Dome contained all that energy pain and joy in two thousand ten a power the team to win an NFC championship in a last minute. Field Goal stood a super bowl when that kick went through upbraids it felt like the superdome literally tilted to forty five degrees. I've never cried right so hard. All I want for Christmas is the saints in the Super Bowl. Santa finally granted ranted Ruffin his wish maybe his work battles all they wrote it. It went straight to the Super Bowl in one day New Orleans Miami. It has happened the saints have won the Super Bowl we dated. I remember at a very young age gone with my dad to the superdome site before the physical framing was complete complete looking up at just the bones of the steel that had not yet connected at the top. When Mitch Landrieu's father moon was mayor the superdome was a promise of what was possible? Forty years later Mitch was mayor and a few years until his first term the dome was set to host. Its First Super Bowl Post Katrina. It was a chance for New Orleans to show off. Its recovery the super bowl presented this opportunity to say we're back in business. The the whole world is watching and we can put on a show like no other ask. He's then third quarter in the middle of an announcer sentence. Something went wrong and that safety is anticipate the blackout seemed to say. Uh Not so fast. Half the power in New Orleans. Stadium the Superdome here is out. It was pretty humiliating million. The utility company had installed a faulty release which a device ironically installed to prevent blackouts. Have the stadium win dark people watching shing on. TV saw players milling around on the field waiting to figure out what was going on. You feel embarrassed for the building and for the city not too bad guy for the building your heart sinks to your feet because the whole world's watching you Doug Thornton the head of the superdome was sitting in the NFL control troll booth when it happened and once again he was inside the dome in darkness. It's the end of life as I know it. Oh my God that was a terrible. The moment terrible moment someone else was in the. Don't then night feeling the electric our lack thereof. I was right. They very good seat. Maybe ten rose from the field thirteen years. After cleansing the Dome of Evil Spirits Voodoo Priestess Advocate Jones was beg that night when the lights went out not to taste the way he was buried. Just enjoy the game but the spirit showed up anyway. I knew that everybody was watching coaching. And I'm saying to myself. What does this mean and why did this happen? Of course I knew people were familiar with the superdome curse and people think thank. Oh this is New Orleans. I wonder if some ghost put out the lights. You know I thought it was Kinda good for our image as the city of spirits it. You know what that's as good of an explanation as I've heard me really what the heck I mean. Whatever we can use to create a meth about New Orleans is good with US and everybody New Orleans releases spirits in Kurtz here in New Orleans spirits are upon of everything we do? Will the spirits remind us to take advantage of every moment each parade song co drink. Each time he goes to the Dome for a game. I even a big big party. Life is pleading but the superdome somehow was one of the things that's always been here for us. 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HUMANKIND: Finding Hope in Human History

The Next Big Idea

51:33 min | 5 months ago

HUMANKIND: Finding Hope in Human History

"August twenty, nine, two, thousand, five, nine, forty-seven. Lieutenant General Russel. Honore touches down in New Orleans that's virtually unrecognizable. The General Louisiana native and a self-described. African American Kriel has been called into command more than twenty thousand federal troops assigned to Joint Task Force Katrina. His mission do a search and rescue keeping people alive conduct evacuation provide food, and water can tell we can evacuate the city get people out of the flood zone. More than fifty of the city's lobbies and floodwalls have failed and neighborhoods are under water. Hundreds of people have lost their lives and hundreds more trapped their homes at risk of drowning hypothermia starvation. But it's not until honore arrives at the superdome where thousands taking shelter that he grasps the magnitude of the disaster. And you saw those people standing around the superdome and you said to yourself what? Oh, my God. Has Happened. But let's give it fits. But before he can fix New Orleans, he's got to make it safe. or so he's been led to. It began in plain sight residents trying to shatter windows and climb into stores. The looting broke wide open at this Walmart in new. Orleans stolen goods, journalists, and public officials are reporting widespread looting and violence the nightly news shows hoodlums, ransacking stores, Louisiana Governor. Kathleen, Blanco tells one reporter what angers me the most is that disasters like this often bring out the worst in people. Thought it. We create everything. A Lot. But as he travels through the city general honore finds a different reality. In neighborhood after neighborhood he sees what he calls the patients of the poor. The vast majority of affected people are making do in their homes or shelters calmly waiting for help and in some cases. Yes. There was some. People who went in got food and water and we got a mattress put grandma. But I I call that more of activists survival. Did I do Ludi? So imagine the generals Har when Governor Blanco warrants New Orleans that the federal forces assault weapons are locked and loaded These troops know how to shoot and kill. She says, they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will. For Honore, it's exactly the wrong message both for the suffering city and for the troops under his command. On a broad boulevard, the general strides in front of a row of jittery soldiers, ordering them to stand down to the embattled people of new. Orleans the raging Cajun becomes a hero. For journalist Historian Rutger Bregman what General Honore uncovers in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina is a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature desperation and fear are mistaken for criminality. Humanitarian crisis is misinterpreted as a public security crisis and these mistakes contribute to a tentative disorganized and ultimately inadequate response. Bregman says it's a textbook example of how we've come to expect the worst of our fellow humans and of ourselves and it keeps us from doing what needs to be done. This episode is brought to you by city business advantage platinum select card travel plans maybe pause but business moving the city business advantage platinum select cards here for you. With the business tools you need now and the earning power to help you travel. Later as a member, you'll have access to a personal business assistant and mastercard world elite benefits including special offer Microsoft salesforce into it and more, plus all your business expenses turned into advantage. Miles, you'll learn miles on every purchase in two times the miles telecommunication merchants at gas stations on car rentals, and on select cable and phone bills. You can even miles on employees purchases when you add authorized users and you can earn sixty five thousand advantage bonus miles. After qualifying purchases you work hard for your business. Let the city business advantage platinum select card work hard for you had to city dot com slash fly to learn more. Hey next big idea listeners. Do you love the next big idea but wish you could listen without the interruption of ads? How about if you could listen ad free plus have early access to the next big idea episodes plus tons of additional add three originals well, now you can with wondering plus go to one DRI DOT FM Slash N.. B. I.. P. L. S. to your listening experience today. From wondering I'm Rufus Chris. Kim. And this is the next big idea. I founded the next big idea club with Malcolm. Glad. Well, Ken Daniel Pink and Adam Grant to connect people to some of the boldest thinking shaping our culture and our future each week on the podcast we bring you. With the power to change the way you see the world this week while we humans are better than we think. Hurricane Katrina was hardly the first time journalists and political leaders misjudge the situation by assuming the worst about people. Our society is largely built on the assumption that were all a broken stoplight away from reverting to our animal selves. It's what we've come to call realism. Rooker Bragman that kind of realism is well unrealistic and not because he thinks we can learn to do better. But because we are better, it's the way we evolved at least. That's the case he makes in his new bestseller humankind a hopeful history. Bregman is just thirty two, but he's already written five on history philosophy and economics. His last one utopia realists was also a bestseller in it. He argues for a fifteen hour work week and one of my personal favorites basic income for every citizen. His books, you might have seen viral video of him, scolding the billionaires at Davos last year for dodging their taxes. His conversation partner today is next big idea club curator Daniel Pink Dan has written six books on business and human behavior. He's calling in From Pink Ink World Headquarters Aka has Home Office renovated garage in Washington DC. Rutger is that his home in the Netherlands I feel lucky to get to listen in. High Everyone I'm delighted to be joined today by Rookie Bregman author of humankind a hopeful history what a fascinating book I had the Good Fortune of reading this book in the galleys before it came out and I was just blown away. I've got a lot of questions for you rutger. Let me just start with I. Think the most. Salient question for the next big idea club, which is your book has a big idea. Tell us what that is. Okay. So the big idea is that. Deep, down most people are pretty decent. That's it. Basically. Deep down most people are pretty decent. So you can say it in a few words now for a lot of US hearing that. The immediate response is that's nice. That's a lovely sentiment a we appreciate your Dutch gentility here, but that's not here's the word you're waiting for rutger. That's not realistic. Exactly. So that's what I'm trying to do in this book I'm trying to redefine what it means to be a realist. So often we equate realism with pessimism cynicism on I'm trying to show this book is that it's actually much more realistic, much scientific to believe in the good of humanity or at least potential for kindness and cooperation, and that even this could be our true superpower as species it might even be the reason why we conquer the. Globe Y, you know other hominid species like the bomb. So yes, that's that's the one of the central things that I tried to do in this book is to redefine what it means to be a realist right and it's a jarring idea in many ways for a lot of us because. So much of our social structures are built on the opposite presumption. We have governments and police forces designed to rain as in we have contract law to prevent us from hoodwinking each other and what I found fascinating about this book is that if that underlying premise is wrong, then everything is up for grabs yes and so the. Idea that if our underlying premise is wrong. And we continue to abide by that we create a self fulfilling prophecy yes. Yes. So people may think Oh this guy's written a nice warm cuddly book about human kindness isn't that nice well, actually it's a really dangerous book I think so. Be Away. Well. If, you really think it through this idea than it has some radical implications for how we organize our whole society. because. If you and I connect to trust each other if we can trust most people around is the maybe we don't need all that hierarchy in an equality. Right. So I think that the prevailing ideology of those empower for centuries has been cynicism. because. Cynicism is in the interests of those in power if we cannot trust each other than we need them, then we need the monarchs and the CEO's in the Queen's and the princess and the managers etcetera etcetera we need to be kept in check someone needs to control us so that we don't have a go at each other so that we don't have some kind of war against. All right. So I think a darker view of human nature has been. Used for very long time as a way to legitimise power. So if you turned it around that, obviously, yeah. You can also you solve the question can't we just moved to much more democratic or genuinely Egalitarian Society that is I think one of the most important implications of updating your view of human nature to a more realistic view. We've just heard the story of what really happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina Why did you include that in the book? Well. We often think and maybe this is because we've seen too many Hollywood movies that during times of crisis people, you know just panic start loading, start plundering and behaving Arabia horrible way especially after disasters like an earthquake are or to nominee or something like that, and this was also you know what they told us, what especially the news media told us in two thousand, five Katrina all these stories about looting and plundering and violence and snipers taking aim at people and you name it. It was only later when the scientists came. In and that the real proper research that they found out the pretty much the opposite happened. You know that most of these stories were rumors didn't really happen and that there's been this explosion of Altruism and cooperation, and we now have seven hundred case studies from sociologists more than seven hundred of two nominees in earthquakes and turns out wherever this happens wherever in the walled people start cooperating on a massive scale. It's a little bit as if you push a reset button in someone's brain and people got back to their better selves. Crises reveal the best in our natures we start just call parading and working together. This is an extraordinarily multidisciplinary book. That's one of the things I really like about it, but a lot of your real ISM is based on. Evolutionary Science tell us why if you really get into the guts of evolutionary science what is real human nature is something different from what we supposed to be real in human nature. One of the important questions that scientists have been asking for a very long time is. Why US so why we conquer the globe? Why are we the ones who bill pyramids and Cathedrals and and spaceships? Why not the neanderthals? Why not the bonobos chimpanzees? What makes us as a species? So special it's not that were so so smart it's not that we're so strong either. But what really distinguishes us is that we have this extraordinary capacity to call prey. So, there's one evolutionary biologist, Brian hair who calls this survival of the friendliest, which means that for Millennia, it was actually the friendliest among us who had the most kids, and so the chance of passing on their genes to the next generation because if you think about it for ninety five percent of our history, we were nomadic into God's and we had to survive in a very tough environment in during the Ice Age for example, and back then if he wants to survive well collecting a lot of possessions wasn't very useful. You need to collect a lot of friends because friends helped you through tough times that was like the real capital you could moss in your life have against many friends as. Possible. So that was an evolutionary advantage as well, and this is I think what really distinguishes and what's are true superpower right right now let's take this notion. So we're looking at human beings forge in the certain, but based on the the imperatives of evolution that is pushing us to be friendlier to be more cooperative to be more social to some. Extent to be more generous. Now, let's take that nature as it's formed in evolution, and let's transport it to the moment and when I say the moment I mean this particular moment that in this bizarre historic moment that we're in right now, what are your thoughts generally on how individuals societies and governments are responding to the COVID nineteen pandemic? I think that. The real headline the big headline of covid crisis is there's been an explosion of cooperation. If you just zoom out a little bit what you see is billions of people quite radically changing their lifestyle to stop the virus from spreading further. You know, I. Don't think it has ever happened on a scale like this old history that so many people so quickly changed the way they live their lives and often you know not just to protect themselves but to protect you know strangers and or the vulnerable elderly and. It wouldn't surprise me I. Mean it's it's early to say you know I may story and I always like to wait for at least ten years before I give my Coleman's on this situation, but it wouldn't surprise me if actually sociologists later find that actually people became more resilient during this time. Yeah. I started the book with a story of what happened in Nineteen thirty, nine, thousand, forty when elites in Britain and the okay. We're really worried that once the bombs, the German bombs start falling a London and other British cities that people would just panic go nuts that they would start plundering looting that. The veneer of civilization is very thin and that you know as soon as we end up in a crisis that people start to behave in a really horrible way and that you know the army couldn't even start fighting because they would have their hands full controlling their own population. Now, what happened is pretty much the opposite. So there was sort of a spirit of keep. Calm and carry on that dawned over Britain and you know people posted really funny and dry signs in front of their shops like a more open than usual. You know after they'd been bombed that kind of thing and and so the experts completely wrong including Churchill who also assumed the worst in his own citizens. So elites when they think about human nature, they often look. In the mirror and they assume that other people are like then you know this is really what I saw happening especially in the first couple of months of of the covert crisis is that again, elites underestimated the resilience of ordinary people. So this is sort of the irony that you see. So many times in history expand on that a little bit because one of the. Things that changed my view over the last few years. It sort of being indoctrinated on this idea that human beings are inherently selfish and coming around to what I think is a more accurate belief based on your work based on say John Heights work etc that humans are not selfish but group Ish and so this need to affiliate in cooperate isn't necessarily embracing the entire world. About embracing our own in group this is really the big paradox at the heart of my book is that on the one hand I argue that we have evolved to be friendly but on the other hand this friendliness. The. Connection with other people is often exactly the problem. We very often do the most horrible things actually in the name of comradeship in a friendship and of loyalty. But. It doesn't have to be this way and we also have a really great capacity actually to connect with strangers or people who are not from our own group especially if we can meet each other. So we have been designed face to face interaction in the stone as there was no twitter, there was no facebook there was no television. We could see each other. We could see each other blush. We could look at each other in. The eye etc, and we know from some really interesting anthropological evidence that probably the networks social networks of into gatherers were quite large. So they didn't just live in these small groups of hunters and gatherers but actually you know made over a thousand people over their lifetimes, which also I mean that must have basically been the case. How could we ever have conquered the globe? If we did it meet a lot of people to learn from. Individually, human beings are not that special but collectively, we've got a huge collective brain. So, cooperation and friendliness played a major role in human evolution at our ability to learn from each other is a key part of why our species has been so successful. Given all that you'd think we would have shared the good news about human nature. So what's what the persistent negative self image? Why do we insist on believing? What's patently untrue? For the support, we get from the great courses plus we here at the next big idea are huge fans of the great courses plus and we're so happy to have him as a sponsor of the show. So if you've ever wondered how ancient human survived pandemics or have you internet came to be, you can find out all the answers to those and other burning questions with the great courses plus right now. In quarantine with my three sons I find. 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Free access to the entire library sign up today and start your free trial using my special. You are L. The great courses plus dot com slash big idea that's the great courses plus dot com slash big idea. Peter Warner is opposed to follow in his father's footsteps. His Dad Arthur is a wealthy Australian industrialist who headed the Rand Corporation in the nineteen thirties and he's groomed his son for a career in business. But Peter has other ideas. He has it adventurous spirit especially loves to sail. So it seventeen, he leaves home to explore the world by. He eventually earns a captain certificate and makes plans to launch his own fishing fleet in the South Pacific. In the winter of one thousand, sixty six Peter is sailing through the waters near Fiji. When he spots a small island in the distance looking through binoculars, he notices patches of burnt vegetation on the cliffs. As he approaches, he surprised to see a group of wild looking young men waving and calling from the rocky shore. Twenty minutes later, Peters onshore listening to an incredible story. The boys have their from Tonga about five hundred miles away. Fifteen months ago they snuck out of their strict Anglican boarding school and stole a fishing boat for a bit of harmless mischief. But none of them were experienced sailors they quickly lost their bearings and drifted into a storm. Storm destroyed their sale and broader they drifted for eight days with no food or water. Finally. They spied an island in the distance and paddled furiously toward shore. The Island was deserted. The boys knew little about survival so they immediately agreed to work together. Over time they taught themselves to hunt into fashioned tools from driftwood and other materials. When they disagreed about something, they had a discussion and took a vote. By the time Peter, water finds them. The boys have established a peaceful fully-functioning community there in excellent spirits and peak physical shape. They're happy to go home, but they're hardly desperate. Course we are the boys story is UNCANNILY similar to William Golden's nineteen fifty, four novel Lord of the flies. A group of school boys stranded on a deserted island forced to survive on their wit's but that's where the similarity ends in the novel. The boys are selfish and violent and cruel they splinter into rival groups the strong lorded over the week. Kid stealing just wanting while. Asked stricter rules. There are at least two movie versions and the book is still a staple of high school. English classes exhibit A. For the realist argument when social controls come off people quickly descend into savagery golding won the Nobel Prize. But Lord, of the flies is fiction a work of the imagination. Why do we prefer it to the true one? I want you to start a business called the Bregman debunking unit because. So much of the book. Debunks. Things that. I. Think Educated Westerners, take for granted and I want to go through some of these because I think it's really revealing So in one of the most fascinating sections of the book, you uncover through some good detective work a real life example of the Lord of the flies. Describe what their lives were like island. It wasn't the case of piggy and whatever the other characters were and Ralph Lauren flies. Brutalizing each other. It was the exact opposite I mean set the scene. What did it look like? They're well, they worked in teams teams of to to to be on the look for ships to tend to garden and to to cook. Sometimes they they ended up in flights I mean that happens they're teenagers. They're humans like like all of us. But then what they would do is that one would go to one side of the island. The other one gets to the other side of the island. They would cool off a little bit comeback and say, sorry. They made a lot of music. They made their own guitar from some of the drift from the from the ship. They had their own gym with curious body weights. They had a bet on court. Yeah. I. Mean I'm not saying it wasn't tough for them. They had really tough times at one point actually one of the boys broke lag but they manage to heal that with traditional medicine. So yeah, when this captain Peter Warner found them in nineteen, sixty six, he found six boys that were imperfect health they cooperated with each other they took care of each other. They had I mean the thing that amazed me writer was they had like a meal schedule you know who's going to cook and what are they gonNa make this kind of extraordinary left to their own devices on an abandoned. Island this small group of teenage boys stepped up and survive in as noble and heart warming away as you could possibly imagine, and that is the real story. Yeah. Exactly. And so if millions of kids around the globe still have surveyed Lord of the flies in school, which is fine. I, think I think it's still a good novel but then let's please also tell them about the one time that we know of that real kids shipwrecks on a real island because that's a very different kind of story. Okay. So let's march through another project from the Bregman debunking unit, which is another, which is a staple of sociology and anthropology classes, which is what happened on. Easter Island. So, tell us what we think happened then tells what really happened. So the Status Story says that here you have this island that is incredibly remote. You know the most remote place in the whole basically where in the eighteenth century the beginning of the Eighteenth Century Dutch explorers discovered this lost civilization that was basically dying when they found it. They did see these extraordinary statues. We've all seen the Moai Houston choosen heads Sentra, but they found population that was you know hungry that was poor and that was. Clearly not able to actually create the statue so that the question was who made these things and how did they do it and the story that became very popular is that they had committed echo suicide that one time there was a huge forest on the island. There were a lot of trees, but then they become so obsessed with building all these statues that they had to cut all the trees to transport the statues into Iraq them. Sometime, you know all the trees were gone, the soil started to erode and. Agricultural production went down and people became really hungry and so then they started dying of hunger civil war broke out, they became cannibals and so when the first European explorers arrived, they discovered a civilization that was basically already dying but what's the real story? So. What's interesting is that in the past I'd say ten to fifteen years. There's a new generation of archaeologists who's take another look at the evidence, and this is free like a a detective it's like A. True Crime Story, where you have to look at all the pieces of right you'd have to look at the skeletons that have been excavated. You have to look at the oral traditions the stories people have been telling for a very long time, and now very different story has emerged actually they're very few signs of violence in the archaeological record. So very few signs of weapons weaver a very long time. We believe that so-called Marta which of nights were being used to for these people to slaughter each other now. Archaeologist thing that these were actually these weren't really weapons but more like kitchen knives and you know used to if you want to eat a banana or something like that, and so most importantly, they've actually discovered that agricultural production end up and there was no civil war and there there were not thousands of people who've been killed by other people because the population probably has always been small on the route two, three, thousand people at Max. So yeah, all these supposed killer is a pretty great alibi they never existed. And it's really extraordinary. The real story of Easter Island according to the recent evidence is not a story of a sedation killing itself but a story of hope now, why is this important? Because Easter island has been used for a very long time as a metaphor FERRARO future in exactly Easter item that they these people they were alone on an island. They didn't have ships to take them away. We alone on this planet, we don't have chips the All star Mars. So often Easter island is used as a metaphor for what we are doing to our own planet. With climate change and the extinction of species. Now, I am incredibly worried about both of these things but I do worry that sometimes environmental activists are think goes in writers can become too cynic too cynical and they start describing our species is a plague or some kind of virus. It is just destroying everything and then they underestimate the resilience we also have we are really good at letting problems grow on an exponential. But solutions can grow on an exponential scale as well, and if you look at the past five years and if you look at both the political in the technological progress in the fight against climate change. I I'm not saying you have to be an optimist, but there are good reasons to be hopeful. So I spent a couple more. Minutes on this debunking unit because okay. So you've destroyed my junior high English class you destroyed my college anthropology class. Now, the thing that you really blew up was my freshman year university introductory psychology class because that class when I took it a while ago was sort of greatest hits of psychological research. So we learned all about human nature in that in that research, and of course, we learned that if you take people and put them in a basement and assign some of them to be prison guards and some of them to be prisoners that. In a snap of a finger, they will assume their roles in the most brutal a possible talking of course, about the Stanford prison experiments, which has been a staple of introductory psychology courses for really forty years. Except is not true. Yes. Tell us about that. There are some really big problems and I think that the problems with the central prison experiment are so big that actually we need to remove it from from the textbooks. We now know based on the evidence from the archives because this is what has happened. You know the archives have opened up and we cannot take a look behind the scenes of these really famous social psychology experiments from the sixties and seventies, and we now know that Philip Zimbardo the psychologist who did this study he and his Co. researchers they specifically instructed these students to behave like monsters and to be distant as possible. Some of them were not. Trying hard enough and they were pushed. You know do better try harder. Why because? Zimbardo wanted specific results and he set this or one of his researchers set this to the participants is that because of the participants had a you know, I don't want to abuse these these prisoners not Hawaiian let's just sit and play cards or something like that drink tea together. But then they set out to do this because we need these results because then we can go to the press and say, look prisons are horrible environments we need to reform the whole thing. and. So that's what happened very quickly off the experimented ended Zimbardo went to the press and it became one of the most famous studies in all psychology. For, fifty years, millions and millions of students around the globe have heard about the Stanford prison experiment and it is. Not Science to be honest raining not science. The Stanford Prison Experiment Easter Island Lord of the flies just a few of the stories we towel as if true, it reinforced ideas about human nature. So, what can we do to change the narrative? Working. Remotely. I think pretty much all of us are these days with San pro online from. Pitney. Bowes you can easily print postage stamps and shipping labels. 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This conversation between Daniel Pink and Rutger Bragman is exactly the sort of thing I was dreaming about what I founded the next big idea club big thinkers talking about big ideas in fun accessible way and not just here on the podcast but in videos courses and online discussions well, the dream has come true and you could be part of it by joining the club every season. Dan and his fellow curator's Malcolm Glad Well Adam grant and Susan Cain selected the best nonfiction books and we send them to you along with audio video and tax from the authors that let you absorb the key ideas in just minutes check it out for three months absolutely free visit next big idea club dot com slash podcast that's next big idea club dot com slash podcast. To read Rooker, bragman humankind is to wonder why we persist despite so much compelling evidence in seeing ourselves in the darkest of lights. My friend and pink has a pretty rosy view of human nature but he knows that our social institutions don't always reflect the best of us. He asked trigger. If maybe the problem is the way we've organized our storytelling as a for profit business competing for eyeballs and ears. So, let's first make a distinction between the news and journalism. I think that good independent journalism is incredibly important. So please especially right now subscribe to an important publication. That you know tries to protect our democracy. It's it's really important to. To keep those in power intact to speak truth to power. But then the news something different the news mostly about exceptions about things go wrong and it seems to be about sensational things about incidents and I think that the news is actually not very helpful. It's more like a drug that tends to poison the conversation or poisons. Our democracies journalism is or at least good constructive journalism helps you to zoom out a little bit and so it helps to focus. On the you know the really important structural forces that govern our lives sometimes for the good sometimes for the better. So you'll learn that on the one hand we've made extraordinary progress in the past couple of decades we are richer and healthier than ever you know in in the fight against child mortality or disease is we've made a lot of progress but then on the other hand, they're real big things to worry about as well, which is climate change now. The question about financing is interesting because if you, for example compare, you know the Netherlands wherever you have more public financing of journalism. To the US and the UK whereas more commercial financing of journalism I think that the public bottle often results in better more nuanced journalism I think that's that's true because you don't have to go for the cliques all the time you don't have you're not reliant on advertisers But then still you know often you end up with the same problems because actually you still want to have the clicks because you're still your superior is going to judge you on that. I'm very excited about a new movement in journalism, which is constructive journalism. Constructive Journalism is not the same as positive news is they'll Mike O. Yesterday a panda was born in the zoo you know. That's silly. I think constructive journalism is about focusing on the structural forces in lives and then also talking about solutions to our problem and following those people who are working on the on the problem right and coming up with new interesting ideas I. Guess that's what I'm excited about. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it seems like an another key takeaway from the book is that what we need to find a better way to distribute higher quality information? Are we also have this problem with like? Information circulating. What's a way that we can get true ideas, circulate I know it's a tough question but is something that we can do to get more these higher quality ideas circulating because I do think there is a phenomenon in the information ecosystem that bad is always stronger than good. Yes, and so is there a way for good to fight back? So it's it's hard I recognize that I mean, why do we so often believe that most people are selfish even though they're such powerful evidence that we're really not well, I've already talked. About the news industry, I talked about this very deep idea within Western culture. You know the veneer theory that our civilization is only thin veneer that goes back all the way to the Asian Greeks very old idea I talked about you know why this is in the interest of those empower right cynicism is there prevailing ideology and it has been for a very long time but then finally you also have to recognize that it's also within ourselves psychologists called this the negativity biogas the truth is that evil is stronger than good. Evil is more powerful than good but and this is the good news. The good is in the majority. There's so much more good than evil. So this is what you see again, and again if you think for example about how you top own autocratic regime. Howl what kind of protest is more more successful for a long time researchers thought that violent protests is more successful but then they started doing the math and building. This database in Erica Genoa is a sociologist who did this research Jackie found that peaceful protests movements are like two or three times more effective and why while the reason is they draw in a lot more people on average about eleven times more and that makes sense. If you think about it you, you do not only drawing like like young men with. Around but men women rich young old right. They all come together in this massive protest movement and I think activity. That's what's been happening in the US, the one of the biggest protests in American history and I think it's one of the reasons to be hopeful at this moment. So yes, on the one end, evil is stronger good can win when it's in the majority with an overwhelming force. That is the mechanism that you see again and again toward the. End of the book you sketch a vision of what government and political economy might look like give us a quick description of that. So what you soon other people's what you get out of them, our view of human nature tends to be a self fulfilling prophecy, and for a very long time are institutions have been designed around the notion of selfishness. Then you get schools with a quite high Rachael system where you sort of try to push knowledge into people's brains. into the brains of kids, you get workplaces that are quite hierarchical as well where managers what needs to be done you don't really rely on the intrinsic motivation of employees and. The same is true for prisons. Right you've read you don't believe in the goodness off of your prisoners. So Yeah, you get these warehouses where they don't have the ability to do anything or development selves. If you turned us around you completely different institutions, you get schools where kids get much more freedom to explore to create to play you get workplaces with much less hierarchy where you work with self directed teams where you really rely on the intrinsic motivation people do their work because they believe in their work because they want to contribute. And one of the most radical examples in the book is the Norwegian prison system or even do this with prisoners Norwegian prisons. The inmates get the freedom to socialize with the guards is remarkable. That's pretty crazy and and to make music and it works. You know it has the lowest recidivism rate in in the whole world than reading criminal justice system below chances in will commit another crime wants he or she gets out of prison. It's pretty much the opposite of the way things are done in the US. So that's what I mean when I sat at the beginning of our conversation that this is a revolutionary idea it has really radical implications for how we organize our society. There's a particular policy Fonda of which we've heard a lot about in the united. States it really in the last year, which is a universal basic income. Now, it makes intuitive sense that someone having a few extra dollars in their pocket would like that but but you think again that that's actually more years more radical, more transformative explain that yeah. My previous book Utopia free one of the main ideas in there was universal basic income. I wrote it in two thousand fourteen when it was I, think not a very famous idea not. Yeah was obscure idea now has become much more famous mainly thanks to Andrew Yang and his presidential campaign and. What I experienced while promoting the book and talking about it with is that people were interested in scientific evidence because there have been many experience with basic income where you know if you give people money poor people money turns out it's great. Medicine poverty is not a lack of character. It's the lack of cash as I like to say. Healthcare costs go down crime goes down kits do much better in school people find new jobs, they start new companies, etcetera, etcetera. So they were interested in the scientific evidence but every single time you know when I was discussing that that book with readers that at some point after thirty or forty minutes someone would say, yeah. But what about human? Nature. You know, isn't it true that in the end people are just selfish and lazy and they'll you know maybe this will work on a local scale on an on this particular place. In this particular country that particular moment Zyppah you you know in the US is will never work in the wool. This will never work because human nature and then I started to realize that I had to dig a little deeper the show that actually it is entirely logical that universal basic income works because it's built on a realistic understanding of who people are in what kind of creatures we are. So I want to end by addressing the risks of cynicism and despair in the face of huge and complex. Problem. So you talking about the climate crisis you right and I'm going to quote from the book right now. My fear is that They're cynicism can become a self fulfilling prophecy a no CBO that paralyzes us with despair will temperatures climbed unabated but climate movement to could use a new realism what would that look like? Well. Let's say that cynicism is a gift to those in power. You know it's really what they want you to be because people are cynics they're just easier to rule. They don't really rise in revolt they don't go against the oppression nor the hierarchy or the racism or whatever. So hope is very dangerous to those in power and that's why I think not optimism but hope is something of a moral duty. Hope impels us to act. Hope is about the possibility of change about the possibility of building A. Different kind of world and actually I think that's history is also about it's why I think that history is domestic versus all the social sciences you know it just shows you that things can be different and that there's nothing inevitable by the way we structured our society right now this is also interesting actually about studying American history. If you think about all these really exciting ideas like the you know the prisons from Norway or basic income. These are originally American ideas actually. So in the sixties, it was the Americans. Who I experimented with these kind of revolutionary prisons and the beginning of the seventies was Richard Nixon of old people who almost implemented a modest basic income in the US. So there's a real tradition here to reconnect with now why I think this is important is because we're now at a moment of time in history where seems as in a way we're dancing on top of volcano. Extraordinary progress right we are richer wealthier and healthier than ever. But then if you look at the challenges that lie ahead, if you look at the kind of mobilization that we need in order to face the climate crisis, it is so much more than people most people realize you know I also think that people in the rights are often naive about climate science, right? They tend to think that, oh, the signs is not trustworthy. Well, I'm afraid it is and people in the left they tend to be naive about climate action you know they tend to. The, just how much needs to be done if you really want to haul emissions in two thousand thirty and moved to a zero carbon economy in twenty fifty, we need to do something that's never been done before during peacetime in all full of history. So if you're a moderate right now like a little bit of a centrist in the middle I, I mean I love moderates and Centrists and I love reasonableness and I love nuance but it's simply not realistic to be that right now because just simply the changes that this time is calling for are so radical and. What gives me hope is that there's a new generation of often younger people. Who realized that really realized that and if you look at the past ten years, we've seen some incredible change. We've seen ideas that used to be dismissed as unreasonable and realistic. We've seen the moving into the mainstream higher taxes on the rich universal basic income agree new deal you name it. All these ideas works quite unrealistic in are taken seriously. So that gives me hope and we need that we need Ho. And as you say, very compellingly, hope is a moral duty. It is the quintessential big idea record. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me. This is the next big idea. 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If you ever seen a Yo Mama, competition each of them Yo Mama so fat. Joe Mama's and they go back and forth the WHO run. Like a the eminem movie. There you are. That's where we are. That's where we are. And I find myself quite anxious because I care. So deeply about who wins. This election. And I care so deeply about the radical. People Joe Biden would bring into the White House with him. And the fact that he's not in charge they are. And that's what worries me. Some flippant comment. Some some off handed comment is going to take on. A. Huge huge role as to who wins here. And then of course, the media which is already declared Joe. Biden one. Greatest performance ever really showed. He's the president. Unbelievably likeable. Well, they've already written headlines before it ever starts. Live already decided they're going to spin it that he won because most people can be told that and well the media says he wants me one. And then you have to ask yourself a question. Why do we hold these debates? CA somewhere out there there's an undecided voter. You gotta ask yourself how could you be undecided? Our streets are on fire. People are being beaten businesses looted. And Joe Biden says he supports some as vice presidential nominee. Raised money to get them out of jail. So he could get back out there and do it again. And Donald Trump says enforce the rule all let me send in the feds I can't cinnamon less you'll let me. How can there be a debate over this? How can there be any doubt? We had three great years. Our economy was doing better than it ever had. And then the corona virus a Chinese flu comes. And immediately donald trump. In late January says or flights coming in from China and Joe Biden jumps up and says, he hates such as you should let them come in and now he says he didn't do enough. How can there be any doubt who are the people out there? That are still not sure. Saturday night live. Will determine the future of our country in this election will be determined by the undecided voter. It seems that more than ninety six percent of voters have already made up their minds about this election well I guess some of us are just a little bit harder to please. We're not impressed by political spinner thirty seconds soundbites. Before, you get our vote, you're going to have to answer some questions. Questions like when is the election? Decide. What are the names of the two people running and these specific used the president right now? Here she running Because there's so experience is maybe something we should consider how long is the president's term of office one year. Two years three years life into life. Frankly, we're comfortable with that. We don't need to be electing a dictator what happens if the president does as anyone thought about who would replace him. What's your plan gentleman? Kin Women vote because if not as a woman I've got a big problem with that. And by the way, if men can't fill in my opinion, that's just as wrong. We hear a lot about our dependence on foreign oil but just what is oil? What is it used for Kano? Woman have a baby just from fringe. and Steve's same time. We die. We are America's undecided voters. There's still a lot we don't know and we want answers. low-information voters of America's responsible for the content of this advertising. Or. There was family guy. Mayor West, if reelected, would you increase the frequency of garbage pick-up? Well, citizen that's an excellent question and I thank you for it. I. Think it's Great. We live in a town where you can ask questions because without questions, we just have answers at an answer without a question as a statement. Oh I like him he looks me in the I. Have a beer with him I'm voting for him. To. Understand these people he didn't even say anything eaten it up Lois. Voters, the biggest idiots on the planet try giving short simple answers. Sorry your question please Mrs. Griffin. What do you plan to do about crime in our city? A Lot. Because that's what Jesus wants. Talk. Nine eleven was bad. I. Agree with that. How easy. This is Mrs Griffin? What are your plans for cleaning up our environment? Nine. Eleven. What about our traffic problem nine? Eleven. So what is Joe Biden do today? What Joe Biden has to do is to try to win back. Those folks who have been watching what's going on in this country. Believe it or not. Many people can be duped if you just say the words they want to hear. So, what does he do? What are his biggest weaknesses right now? Well. He's lost law and order middle class Americans. So. He shows up. He waits 'til trump says something or maybe when a questions asked and he said let in one of the things you're going to see is defiant Joe Biden he's going to let you know Addis Hell because this is my reputation for forty eight years I've been in public life I've never done anything else ruined me. John I'm tough. I'm a flight. And so what you're going to see him do. Is He's going to say. The President says I'm in favor of these protests while I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. In. Maybe that'll work. Maybe it won't. Biden his made a career of getting in peoples face. He's made a career of of talking tough and some people think he's he's one of them who working class guy because he gets angry tell them I guess. The problem with that is. He's old and edgy. grumpy. and. Might just lose his stuff assure hope so. This somme cut me but I'm going to wrap this around your head the Michael. Berry. Show. One thousand strolling one very hot summer. Why not thought I'd say myself down to read. In big. People offering. suggestions. On. What Biden leads to do? No. One offer suggestions on what the president needs to do. And I think that's largely because. The president has been defined. He is. Static. You love the president or you hate the president. And That really doesn't change. What Democrats have done a very good job of is rather than try to build up Joe Biden. They've just attack Donald Trump. In many people are going to vote for the guy who's not, Donald Trump. Now, here's the problem with that strategy. And the this is in my opinion, one of Donald Trump's greatest assets. The Democrats have used the strategy this year especially through the summer. That trump's bad. He's really bad. The problem is. That doesn't motivate you to show up and vote. For A guy. Who looks like? He's suffering dementia. So. Now, how do they get? How do they get you to the next step which is trump bad biden. Good. That's why tonight is much more important for Joe Biden. Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP's record speaks for itself. Until the Chinese flu arrived on our shores. We had historically low. Unemployment rates. A stock market on fire investment returns. Great economic activity. Fantastic. Full employment as higher level as you can get, you can't get to zero level unemployment wouldn't be healthy. Everybody was booming. Right. And the few who weren't. Are the kind of people who are GONNA. Complain. No matter what. So. Things were going well in this country. Then, the corona virus hits. And a lot of people panicked. A lot of people including Republicans. What trump demonstrated was leadership. But. The problem is the media doesn't tell that story. The media says, he didn't panic a lot with as he's not the party he's not coming to the party. And he's the coolest kid if he doesn't come to the party, the party isn't cool. They needed him to get hyped up and he refused to do it. Stay home. Stay. Calm steady at the helm. That's what a president should do. Do you know. That Win George. W Bush was advised. That they had hit the towers. He was reading to a group of students. If you ever watched that video. No matter what you think of any other policy of George. Bush's and there are plenty I disagree with. You have to admire that at that moment. He was a wonderful president. Because what he's told in his ear? Is the most frightening thing you can imagine we don't know at that point are we under attack? If. So by WHO Is he about to be assassinated? He's half the country on fire. They've done this whoever they is, they've got some power. Maybe it's a foreign government. Maybe this is the big. So. What does he do? He stays very comb. He reads for about another minute. Politely. Gets up thanks the kids. Forced smile on his face. Exits the room and begins the strategy. Now. I Suppose Democrats could say, Donald, trump had done that. He didn't care about the people in New York. Paying care about the towers. He's leading terrorist run over us. He doesn't care about. Black people. that. Always works somehow but some people. or You could say. That's what leadership looks like. Leadership does not panic when everyone else does. President has to. Remain. Calm. Doesn't care about people. It doesn't. We'll his policy sure good for people. Pay Enough in, taxes. Most Americans are pay less in taxes than before. And Joe Biden's plan would raise taxes on over eighty percent of Americans. Now. The trick is, how do you get people to vote for a guy that's going to raise their taxes? You convince them that the tax increase will be on the rich people. Because nobody thinks they're rich. But by Joe Biden standards you are. So, they'll attack trump on Kovin. He didn't run around and scream and panic. You know when Democrat governor, Kathleen Blanco Louisiana was hit by. A major major storm hurricane. Katrina. She broke down. She wailed. She went into hiding. Nowhere to be found. The mayor. Ray Nagin at the time. Ball black a baby. What does that say to the people in new? Orleans you mayors on the air balling. He can't keep it together. And then he was indicted and sent to prison. For receiving kickbacks. Remember. That George W Bush doesn't care about black people. Kanye said that. Because he didn't land and run around and run through the water. But the secret. Service said the distraction to get you in there. The distraction would pull resources away from saving lives and he said I understand. And what did they say he flew over he didn't care. The narrative will always be that which doesn't exist. And the truth. Is more reasoned. More. dispassionate. More. Mature. See Young people run around and scream and engage in a lot of false activity. Lot of talk. But. Adults. Leaders. Don't. So just remember. When you hear them saying all these awful things about Donald Trump. This man's record. Nice tweets his record. Reflects accomplishment the likes of which even Ronald Reagan did not attain in his first four years. The same Ronald Reagan. That they told you was so awful. Listen to this comment by bill. Maher as a way to trash Donald Trump two thousand sixteen. Notice what he's going to say, this is a guy. This is a guy who told you George Bush was the end of the world he was the most. Nazi Hitler in the history of mankind, you need to understand this George W Bush's monster. Well. When you do that long enough. You start sounding like you're doing that to every Republican and people start woke well, maybe just just maybe that's what you always do. And that's what led him to say this. And I shouldn't have been so hard on. Republicans. In the past because they said horrible things about George Bush but he respected the First Amendment he respected the constitution this guy does not. This will be a completely different country and by the way unbelievable when fascist takeover, they don't give up power get used to president trump for life. So that say this. No matter what Donald Trump does tonight. No matter what Joe Biden dust tonight. They're going to tell you that. Biden's great. He's the heir-apparent to Barack Obama and Donald Trump is awful. So why even listen to what they say? This is for kids who just as bright injustice towns, White Kid Michael Berry Shell. Is. The same. All last. blackadder. saw. A flagpole rack. Yes the police well played. The President of the national fraternal? National Fraternal Order of Police is Patrick in our guest and they have just endorsed President Donald Trump's reelection. Why Well. Well, first, thanks for helping me to to be with you. Well it probably goes back a number of things. Well, I. Let me just say that you know we have worked with President trump over the last four. Four years. Now on a number of issues we worked with him with the first step back courageous historic the effort to reform the criminal justice system. In modern times we've worked with him on a commission, a law enforcement and criminal administration of Criminal Justice navigated through covert nineteen and how it affected public safety and and in our profession it's and most recently working with him say policing safe communities. I, think our endorsement is probably a little different than most other organizations in that are members get to make that decision That's why our endorsement is a little bit later. Then some of the others that that made endorsements to our members participating in endorsement and this is the first time, and then I'm aware of and our history one, hundred, five year history that we've actually had a unanimous endorsement though based on our process for president trump I think largely has to do with with the rhetoric that that is exist across this country where. Public. Officials at turn back on law enforcement and demonized this noble profession and president trump has always stood with us So based on our working history with him over the last last three and a half years, and in the present climate in a country where it's a politically fashionable for for public officials to demonize. Know, profession, ignoring the eight hundred thousand men and women who put on a uniform every day going to communities and make a difference putting your own risk, their own safety at risks. I. Think you know it's clearly president trump has always stood solid in support of law enforcement in that resonate with our members. I. WanNa. Take this into pieces I. WanNa take the this first part last in. That is the attacks on police and Joe Biden Income Harris's participation, and all that take that last. But your endorsement of president trump it sounds like it's not just a well, he's better than Biden or at least he's not Biden. He's been supportive of your mission. He's been supportive of you. You talked about safe communities in these sorts of things talk a little bit about no matter who ran the things that he has done as president that that you believe are good for law enforcement and are good for public safety in this country. Well. Thank you I think I think that's the part that gets lost in all of the political rhetoric I can do is tell you my own personal experience. In my personal experience representing three hundred, fifty, five, thousand members across country president trump every single time that I ever had reached out to the administration and to talk about real issues that are facing America's law enforcement. His administration has not only been receptive but they have found solutions to these problems and it's refreshing. It's refreshing to the speed in in in in the interest of finding solutions that that that. Maybe I haven't seen in in in in quite a while. So You know the the rhetoric out there is that somehow president trump is not effective all I can tell you a my experience is that we tackled a number of issues in the last three and a half years that that I think other administration should should you know should strive to do as well simply look the first epoch you know first step back we were only Labor Organization. It's important that both sides of people recognize that we needed to take a look at our criminal justice system and there was a need for some form. In, president, trump did now granted congress city to, but but rest assured it would not have passed a president trump not embraced it, and so this is something we need to do, and that was the first of journey and in his in his time and his administration look at US Commission on Law Enforcement Criminal Justice administration of criminal justice that clearly shows by implementing. Creating I commissioned the first one in fifty years that he had an interest of of addressing modern policing in making sure that we were when we were keeping up at the cons A. Covert come came along working with his administration every single day making sure that law enforcement officers who did not have the ability to social distance and we're working into communities and providing the services that we provide to keep our community safe. We were we were at a much higher risk in families a much higher risk of working with the his administration addressing all of these issues are something maitland just having daily contact so very much into, and then most recently when when the unrest started, we worked with the administration on a number of things and meeting with families meeting with the roundtable discussions on how to move forward and every one of those he has been. Extremely helpful in in receptive to to concerns and it just doesn't fit the narrative that many would like for you to believe everything very constructive and finding the path forward. You know everything has been at least with us has been trying to light a path forward rather than than Carson darkness at all that resonates with us they ability to be able. To have a meaningful discussion, I told dresses issues, and that's something that we've lost in America. Right now, our ability to be able to have an open and free conversation baked based on facts right now, everyone is just so ingrained in with their political beliefs are that we're not able to be able to have those those constructive discussions on holiday fully. Children. Yes I do how? My my kids are grown. Now I am I am the person who shows everybody the pictures of their seven grandkids. or any of your children law enforcement. They are not know. If, they wanted to make us which into law enforcement I got thirty seconds in this segment. I. You know I just you know it's a it's a tough question I. Love this profession I've done it for thirty six years I i. completely one hundred percent love serving the public But I also as a father I'm very concerned in My son at one time expressed interest in getting into law enforcement and had. A long discussion with him about whether or not That was really the correct path, not because of the profession itself. But because of number factors and you know just I applaud especially in today's environment people who still want to go into law enforcement. You know, of course, all of this is going to it's going to level. Electric. Talking to Patrick does he's the president of the National Fraternal Order of police, their endorsement of trump. And why coming. Michael Berry show continues. A. The News, you know what? I love about you playing this you love that Eddie money was a cop and. That's one of those things that. People Forget. Colonel. Is. The president of the National Fraternal Order of Police Patrick did you know any money was a cop? I actually did all his family I think his dad was a cop uncle cop a bunch of cops I. I know he and his father. If I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure the others but I guess I I'm aware that. So You know. My brother's a cop and he's out on the streets and you always worry right and and. It's something that family members of law enforcement officers are always concerned about. But what we've seen this year in my lifetime I was born in seventy is unprecedented. The worst violence of the sixties was nothing like this we we've got we've got the shooting in in La county a couple of weeks ago the ambush style what we saw at the rally in Dallas a couple years ago where we're folks were just picked off. This is truly disturbing and I got imagine it has to really bother you and concern you and your membership. Of. What three hundred and fifty thousand people it has to concern you that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have have flirted with these organizations downplayed the violence raised money for the folks that that get arrested from it all. The stakes are pretty high in this election for you guys. and. There's no question I. This was probably no no doubt. You'd be the most important election of a my lifetime. Now you know we'd say that every every four years we seem to be on this trajectory where it gets worse and worse as we go on. As maybe at scriven by social media, maybe it's driven by a number of things but but the clearly we have to agree that we we seem to become less tolerant for for other people's views and and because of that we you know it's it's really Social media allows people to build a community around own belief system and get. Them to do. So inch occasionally we see people empowered by that you know by by that type of ideology acting on it and and it's making is making our communities world. Let's see. The Patrick I think this has to reflect a long term cultural rot and decay to find an audience for this the reason Biden and Harris or flirting with these quote unquote mostly peaceful protesters who are not. I believe is they fear them? Maybe physically. But certainly politically, and when you look at Jenny, Durken Seattle and Ted Wheeler in in in Portland and look at what's happened in San Francisco. Austin Texas. Chicago would lightfoot there seems to be the Blasios Show in New York. There seems to be this idea that if we just if we just keep giving these people some space, they won't come after US personally. But the cops are the ones taking the brunt of all this. Well I think law enforcement as a as a are low hanging fruit in a trio failed. Promises you know we can blame law enforcement. Everything's is wrong with the world but reality is is look we want we want to improve the criminal justice system. We'll sit and talk with anyone who wants to have a fact based meaningful discussion. But if we are not going to consider the fact that failing school systems in poverty and broken family units and all of these. Things that contribute to quality life. If we're not going to consider those things, then we're when we're never going to get anywhere and I, think that's where we are in society today I think it's too easy to blame law enforcement for it and others a real quick not even for one second thinking that they're the ones that created an environment by because of the policies that. That, they've done. So what what we find now in America is I think it's it's SORTA. If I can't control things I'm going to burn to the ground and and it's unfortunate real people are getting hurt. They're doing irreparable harm to to policing in America right now Last year as before any of that's ever happened they were. So there was a study showed that showed that there was a sixty three percent reduction in people applying for this job to be law enforcement officers you fast forward to today, and that was a unofficial survey was done by by magazine that had a hundred thousand police officers responded to it and less than seven percent would encourage your family are ready to get into law enforcement right now. So if we are truly going to attract the best and brightest, which which which we want to have the you know the. Best possible law enforcement in a country we're GONNA have to attract the best and brightest, and if you're the best and brightest and in your being stripped away with all the protection, you'd have a law enforcement officer and it just become such a volatile profession. Well, we're not going to pull the best and brightest into the same. So we're going to see our profession You know potentially you'd be taken even a big hit because of the actions when people would rather destroy saw what they can't control well, and and I would argue I take my brother. Chris Bury is an example. He is he is a shepherd at heart he he is a protector he is A. A person mindful of the week in the heard, and it's what he always wanted to do. It's not a guy that wanted to play pro football and couldn't make it and you know the police departments hiring this guy who always wanted to do that and almost everybody I know who's a law enforcement officer? Men Women you name it. This is what they want. They want to protect and serve, and it strikes me when when good people say, why would I give my energy in my efforts to do that with all the risk and nothing but downside you're gonna be left with just a job to feel in And you're going to get people that are a bit lackluster, and this is not the kind of job for somebody to get because they're hiring you better have people with the right mindset. Michael's no question and your brother is duplicated eight, hundred thousand times across this country. Everyone that's got into law enforcement got into it because they wanted to be part of a solution rather than a problem and you know I it's not an easy job. It's not an easy job at all trying to trying to navigate the things that we do across this country at times we do things most people would like to think don't exist. is a very dirty job. It's a, it's a, it takes its toll on people who do. It you know just think about this the average person in this country, some some studies show that might have to traumatic events in their life. Allow enforcement also probably had sixty or seventy years before they reached ten years on the job. All of that takes a physical toll on it. But at the same time, they see the good that they're doing. They know the good that they're doing communities and because of that, that's what that's. What drives them, what drives. them to subject themselves to you know hardships and being a police officer because they know at the end of the day, they're making a difference to to people who who truly need them, and that's just getting lost in US victims You know all this discussion about defunding place and in demoralizing please take they. They take one serious thing out of this equation, and that is a real people that depend on the services that law enforcement officer provides. Across this country all we perfect. No we've never stood up and said that we're perfect entity. But when we single time, we evaluate based on facts and and we find wasted improve our system and that's that's where we are and that's what that's what brought us to where we are today we've lost that ability to be able to have that meaningful discussion because people sewing grain and their own beliefs and their own politics that we can't get past. That issue Patrick IOS president of the National Order of fraternal order of police which has endured endorse. President Donald Trump for election. Thanks for being our guest comeback. It's a big of voters, a lot of families you know every police officer represents what a spouse parents, brothers and sisters like me who care about them care about their safety care about the safety of our communities. It's GonNa. Make a difference. Did Stat. Time time. Time. Mocking load. Michael Very show is. Chris. Wallace. Says, he wants to be invisible tonight. If he does his job as moderator. Properly. Then people will say that was a great debate who was the moderator. I don't trust him I. Don't like him. I don't think he's fair. I think he has an agenda. These guys don't show up. With the intention of May, the best man win. These guys show up with the intention of making a name for themselves. They are just as eager for their big job promotion as a presidential candidate is. It's all on the line for them and it's all about them. In Fox News has been angling for the last three to six months as a network not Tucker Not Sean. But as a network. They have been angling. To to be perceived as more mainstream and less pro republican less pro trump. That's a fact. This would be that moment where Chris Wallace can do that by hammering trump. And I suspect. How much influence can a moderator have? Let's go back to two thousand twelve. Romney is winning in the polls. Obama has the worst ratings of a president. Sitting president running for reelection. The debate begins. Now remember after Benghazi on September eleventh of that year right before the election. Obama and his team said that wasn't a terrorist attack on September eleventh. You know exactly what it was. You refused to protect these Catholic made movies about it since then. So. Obama said the very next day I came out in the Rose Garden and I I call it terrorism. and. Romney said you what? You're saying the next day and so Obama knows he's hung. So he won't say anything else. He says go ahead go ahead. Instead. Of. Answering. Instead of saying I did and I said I did. He says, go ahead go ahead like make your point. And then Candy Crowley Jumps in. And she jumps in and says he did do it. And Obama's say that again, candy. And the people at home don't know. least the undecided voters. Candy Crowley said, that's right. That's right. It's correct. He he did do that and Romney sitting there going. No he didn't. I. Think it's interesting. The president just said something which which is that on the day after the attack, you the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror you said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not as demonstration is that what you're saying please pursue government. By I WANNA, make sure we get that for the record because it took the president fourteen days before he called the attack in Benghazi, an act of terror, get the transfer. He did in fact Sir. So let me let me call it an act. Of Terror. There you go. She came in and said Romney you're wrong. He's right. She called fact checking. Later. That night once everybody's gone to bed. Once. Everybody's gone to bed. And she was called out for it. Then she backtracked I heard the president's speech at the time. My reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we'd probably get a Libya question. So I kind of wanted to be up on it so we knew. The president had had said. These acts terrorists won't stand or whatever the whole quote was, and I think actually because right after that I did turn around and say, but you are totally correct but this two weeks telling us this was about a tape and there was a Riot Shit See. So now she's coming back. And she's done the damage. She's been caught. In. So now she says, well, you know. I was just proud. So well, crab to. Notice that the mistakes always happen where they benefit the Democrats. I wouldn't be surprised if they quote unquote fact check trump tonight. I wouldn't be surprised. You know shirl. ADKISON HAS A. A piece, she wrote several months ago. And it was the fifty biggest lies Democrat media has told about Donald Trump. And it's everything from steele dossier on on down. and. You'll notice that the mistake they always make is claiming that trump murdered somebody claiming that trump's under investigation Clinton it's always to the advantage of the Democrats. And they'll do it again. And they'll do it again. Here's a moment from a debate. That I hope trump can pull off a moment like this. Hope the opportunity arises. It's nineteen eighty-four. And Walter Mondale. Is trying to use trump Ronald. Reagan's age. Against Him. In Ronald Reagan. Was Ready You already are the oldest president in history some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with Mr Mr Mondale. I recall yet that President Kennedy had to go for days on end with very little sleep during the Cuban missile crisis there any doubt in your mind that you would be able to function in such circumstances. Not at all. True at night and I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. So. Incredibly. masterful. But again. Remember what we're talking about. We're talking about a moment. Where people who at this point are still undecided? Or trying to figure it out. We're talking about trump walking into that room. Biden has been around for forty eight years. He's in severe decline. There's no doubt about it. Can Keep it together for a minute or to. Understand that the people around him will have him ready. To deliver some lines. In a soundbite sort of way so that the media will be able to pick up on them tomorrow. Me Giving an example. This is Michael Dukakis in nineteen, Eighty, eight. Dukakis has come off as week. He's against the death penalty. He's come off as weak. And people are thinking you know after eight years of the strong Ronald Reagan. Do we want George Bush or this Guy Dukakis? He's a little weak isn't he? And then Dukakis asked this question if Cutie Dukakis were raped and murdered. Would you favor. And irrevocable death penalty for the killer. No I don't Bernard. Desperately during all of my life. If you wouldn't. Stand up to the man. WHO raped murdered your wife You won't stand up to the bad guys. That song. Dukakis. Joe Biden is the opposite. He's tough on everything. And expect him to appear to be tough tonight I won't stand for that. I'll do this. I'm going to talk tough point I'm a jet finger y'all. If you still not sure you vote for trump then you ain't black. He's going to have some of those moments tonight. Should be fun. This problem figuring out whether you're for mayor trump and you ain't Michael Berry show. Town. Story of what happened Ohio last week presidents at a rally there. The. Governor comes out his booed over his mask policy. The Lieutenant Governor comes out and tries to make it better by going. Yeah. But if you have to wear masks where this donald trump blue. The president saw that. And I think most Americans now. Are Done. They're sick of it. No more mask. Lockdown. I believe that. And I think the cases of hypocrisy. Or really really getting to people remember that Donald Trump came to power on the basis of draining the swamp. There was so much resentment. At Washington DC The self-dealing at the media at the think tanks at the lobbyists. At the people who hate Middle America. Another example Dianne Feinstein who has demanded? A mandatory mask policy at our airports. Is caught not wearing a mask at Dulles. Airport. And it's Tucker Carlson points out just like Nancy Pelosi. I'm sure she'll claim she was setup California Senator Dianne Feinstein wrote a letter to the FAA demanding everyone where masks in airports. Feinstein wrote that we need a mandatory mask policy for all airport and airline employees and passengers and quote. By Saint claim the agency had quote sowed confusion among passengers about whether masks are necessary but they are necessary. Says Dianne Feinstein not wearing them as very dangerous given the corona virus. Well given that today this show exclusively attained photographs of and this is GonNa rock your World Dianne Feinstein in a private terminal at Dulles Airport, an F. B. O. as they say in privatization. On Friday? In the photographs Feinstein convincing smiling without a mascot. One might even say she's sowing confusion about whether or not master necessary. A pilot with a mask is walking in front of her carrying a bag and a dog. We were show to Diane Feinstein's Office about these photographs we haven't heard back. We can sure of one thing. This isn't really Diane Feinstein's fault just like when the hair salon framed Nancy Pelosi caught not wearing a we'll getting her hair done. Dulles airport the diabolical, FBI. Oh, probably mastermind the whole thing. We're going to stay on top of this story and bring you more evidence of the airports guilt as we inevitably find it. And yet here we are again. Here, we are again Dianne Feinstein. Liberal Democrat. Demanding that everyone wear a mask, and of course, she's not wearing one. She's eighty seven years old. She's at greater risk than anybody. So is she not wearing a mask because she has a death? Wish. Her she not wearing a mask. because. She doesn't really believe we need to wear one. This isn't about public health. It never was. It's about control. It's about you slavishly taking orders from the state. If they can take away your dignity. Can take away everything else you have. If. They can force you to wear a mask enforce you to do a lot of things. If they can prevent you from seeing. Your loved one who's sick. They can prevent you from a lot of things. It didn't stop them from Fenton all floyd's funeral did it or all the rallies memorials back the governor of Pennsylvania said. The reason he was still attending mass rally were lots of people weren't wearing masks. was because this was a historic moment. And he needed to be there. Even though wasn't allowing any other historic moments or special moments to be held like graduations or weddings. When Bill de Blasio stood out in a crowd. And painted black lives matter on the road in front of trump tower they didn't get a permit for that. That in socially distance. But he said it was so historically important. You say what's important to them? Is Allowed. And what's important to you? Is Not. When John Lewis died. and. They had a funeral in Washington DC. Thousands upon thousands of people came out lined the streets. Say had a very public funeral. Very, densely populated. But your grandfather grandmother can't have a funeral. Because you're not John Lewis. You See. Their famous powerful. And you're not. And they continued a smear your face in it. Daily. It's these Democrats over and over and over again. With the idea that you don't matter. Only. They do. That's why Nancy Pelosi goes and gets her haircut. And then claims I had no idea. Really. They opened the salon for her when it wasn't open for anyone else. She doesn't feel a bit bad about it. You're not her. You're not important. Only, what she is doing is. And then you have to ask yourself the question. WHO's the debate for tonight. Oh. The networks love it. Because it's a sport and you don't even have to pay the participants. It's like a football game, but you don't have a bunch of rich football players you have to pay. and. Owners of teams. You sell the ads, you get the eyeballs, you get the revenues with no expenses they show up. For free. And that's why it's being presented as a cage match. Hell. Fox News has had a countdown clock. Two hours one hour. Te Ridiculous and absurd. And then you're left, ask the question. WHO's going to change their mind who shows up and watches tonight and is undecided how could you be so unsure about what's going on in this country? That you're still. undecided. It's Urus. The. Mood. Mr. Voter. What's changed things up on this play fresh. Baked Apple. On this one a little dog. Do you prefer be and this is. A by idea. Oriental biased. So what This is. Sat. Reasoning. Like it or not. There are a few. Enough to swing the election. In the media knows it. But these undecided voters. They're not good at making decisions. They don't trust their own judgement. They kind of figure. Well, they're all sore bad. And so they'll tune in. And then once they tune-in. Either later tonight or in the morning. They'll ask someone who tell them who won. And that's when it'll be so important. To. Have Van Jones on. And and Donna Brazile. And many other Democrat maybe we'll have hillary or Michelle. Obama. And they'll say, well, clearly, Joe Biden one. And maybe the stupid people will buy it. I swear. If trump hasn't earned four more years. For the quality of leadership he has provided during these first four. Then I've truly lost hope. This is. Getting nervous. Come now the Michael Berry. Show. We loaded up. Station where it is a special pleasure anytime I get to even say the name. Scalia. I will I will. I will choose not to go into my mini Great Antonin Scalia affecting me in law school under the tutelage of aunt of Lino who was nominated at the same time to the Court of appeals that. Judge Scalia was nominated to the Supreme Court and about the afternoon I got to spend with him in Washington. DC and we will instead focus on the subject at hand, which is his son, the right honorable himself Christopher Scalia in a new book entitled the Essential Scalia on the constitution, the courts and the rule of law what a nostalgic notion, the rule of law what we've seen today. But first, let's talk about the Supreme Court nominee who was in the Senate today meeting with Republican senators and vice president. Mike Pence and that is amy Coney Barrett. I know you have some thoughts on her. Michael, thanks for having me back on the show and it's good to talk to you Yeah I'm a I'm a Fan I. Imagine that that's pretty predictable. seems like. Pretty much. Every conservative is a is a fan of hers but I think Amy Tony Barrett is very, very impressive nominee she clerked for my father in the late nineties. So I'm a little biased but I think that means that she she's been well trained and her career after that has been very impressive to both Her Time is a law professor at Notre Dame and her time as a federal judge. So I'm really excited about it I. Think it was a wonderful nomination and I certainly hope she's confirmed. For people who didn't go to law school and don't read. Don't read rulings and don't have a deep understanding of jurisprudence understand. The Supreme Court is is important sort of an academic sense. Many people have said that if you if you like Antonin Scalia, you're gonNA, Love Amy Conybeare it. What does that mean for a person who is not a lawyer or a court scholar? What does that mean? Well let me begin by saying I'm not a lawyer either so I I am especially well-qualified talking. To two other non-lawyers and would it basically comes down to is that judges like my father and any coney Barrett ascribed to the idea you interpret. The constitution and statues based on. Their original public meaning that's called originalism when when you're interpreting the Constitution and it's called Textual Ism when you're interpreting a statute so that seems obvious but there's something else called the living constitution approach, which basically says. The constitution evolve it's a living document and its meaning changes with the changing values and norms of society, and that sounds great until you recognize who's in that situation who decides what the norms and values of a changing society are. In that case, it's unelected judges who are basically lawyers So. That's a problem because it's really up to the people to decide what what values and norms they want to guide them to people through their elected representatives. Not Judges what originalism and text royalism guarantees is that judges are much more limited in. Applying their own values and beliefs, and instead interpreting the laws and constitution at according to the meaning that they had when those when they were ratified and passed, and therefore we're. Really, kind of expressions of the people will people's will. So for people who say, well, should I be afraid of Amy Coney Barrett as as a judge is, is she going to understand my plight if I'm black and the Constitution was written in an era of slavery or I'm a woman in women couldn't vote the time or on and on what do you say to those people? So The point isn't that the point of originalism isn't that the constitution cannot change can't change and there are steps. In the process to make sure it does steps within the constitution but that's it's up to the to Congress and the people to change the constitution not the Supreme Court, and originalists don't believe that the constitution is infallible either they they kind of recognized that Again, times do change and our values do change. The point is it's not up to judges to make those changes. It's up to the people to make those changes through through their elected representatives and you know what you just described as a pretty common kind of argument against originalism. Well, my father always pointed out is that while people always think that the living constitution only gives more. Rights that approach to interpretation only grants more rights. It can just as easily take rights away from people in cases of, for example, rights of the defendant and the accused originalism is very, very accommodating to the rights of the accused because in that regard, the constitution would be what we now consider liberal The Second Amendment is another great example. If you're an originalist, you're more likely to agree with my father and one of the opinions in this collection the essential Scalia that the second amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms whereas living constitution says, well, times have changed so much. It's up to US justices to kind of limit the second amendment. Rights. Very well, I was taking notes. I have about two minutes left in this segment but your father's friendship with the now late Ruth Bader. GINSBURG. Surprised a lot of people but it was deep and abiding on both sides. Can you talk about that? They became friends in the early eighties when they were on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals together and they they had a good working relationship even though they didn't agree very often on the merits of the case or on on their opinions would help each other out because unlike other judges on the court at the time they liked getting feedback about how to improve their arguments and they like giving that same kind of feedback. So they they helped each other out with their opinions even when they were on different sides. But in in addition to that working relationship, they just had a lot in common. You know they were New Yorkers from around the same era they loved opera like. Food and good wine and their spouses got along wonderfully So it was it really wasn't enduring an impressive friendship and I think, yeah people people a surprises, people and people love hearing about it but I think it's also. It's a common friendship in a way. It's remarkable because it was a friendship between two such high profile people have different. Ideas but I think most people in everyday life have similar friendships. It's just that you know we're not so high profile but most of us do do have friends that are very different from us in think in very different ways and I think it's kind of reassuring to know that that goes on at high levels to or. It's In its further, the fact that it seems so odd is proof positive that the political world is not real. We're talking to Christopher Scalia. We'll continue this conversation coming. The Michael Berry show continues. By. Hang. Your Got News Jane. Just, a hanging imaging. Julia. Is Our guest and we are honored that he is. Let's talk about the book the Essential Scalia on the constitution, the courts and the rule of law why this project? Well this project is kind of the third in a series, the third and last I should say in a series of collections that we've put out since my father passed away and the previous to scully speaks and on faith included a lot of my fathers, legal writings, but a lot of other more personal works too. So like eulogies speeches There's a roast of Justice Ginsburg and one of them. So it touched on a Kinda showed the variety of his thinking the essential scully is essential because it's the book to get. If you want to understand his legal thinking everything in here is about the law is some of the most important to sense and and majority opinions some very important essays that kind of define originalism for example, as we were talking about before and Textual Ism. So it's really the GO-TO book if you want to understand in his own words what made him. One of the most significant and greatest justices in Supreme Court history and that description by the way is from Justice Kagan Elena Kagan another another I guess you could say ideological adversary on the court but another good friend as she wrote the foreword to this collection. On that note. I can't mirror may was Ed whalen sue someone that I had on within the last few weeks made the point that Ruth Bader Ginsburg loved to tell the story of having written the majority opinion for which Antony Scalia wrote the dissent and upon reading it, there was some good natured jabbing in there. But a well reasoned argument for the descent she said, you know what I'm going to rewrite what I've written. Oh, it was a professor Josh? Blackman She said I'm going to rewrite the majority opinion and make it better because he has exposed some flaws and I thought that's the way the court is supposed to work honest disagreement with civility and respect and that I think that's the. Case Virginia Military Institute my father descended and that descent is in this collection But yeah, that's I that's such. A great example I think at the story goes he even he gave her his draft opinion earlier than usual. So she would have more time to kind of work on her. On her response to him, which is I think thoughtful on his part but and this goes back to their friendship I. mean they they. Didn't compromise their beliefs. for the. For the sake of their friendship, they knew that friendship could with standard differences in opinions and they're they're very strong. disagreements with each other public disagreements. But disagreements that engaged with ideas not with personalities you know Ad Hominem attacks. As his son you obviously read his writings you're at A. Share. Probably many of his his views you around people that that. You idolize him I. Know I do. And you hear him lionised does it make it a little easier because I, know you miss him to at least spend time in his thoughts and words and and that aspect of his life yeah I it's been a real pleasure doing that, and I never imagined that I would I would do it my in just up until five years ago. I was an English professor and he was not lying is in that community as you can imagine and then so it's been really kind of wonderful being as he sat around so many people who Even, if they don't very often, they don't agree with him you know all the time but they appreciate. His contributions. And is the thing with these collections is that you really do hear his voice again I read some of these opinions and. You know many many times but his voice still comes through. So forcefully and it is it is kind of like hearing him again. Do you hear his voice as dad do you hear his voice as a jurist? A little bit of both I think you know sometimes his? His his voices. So kind even in opinions is colloquial straightforward and a sense of humor is so down to earth at it sounds like he could just be at the at the at the dinner table joking around with us. My favorite moment, the term quip has to have been invented for him because he so many buried in footnotes in opinions that are just delightful to read I. I've offered my opinion many times but I I, I'm curious as to yours by the way, the book is the Essential Scalia on the constitution, the courts and the rule of law and with the Amy Conybeare at one of his former law clerks nomination to the Supreme Court she has made very clear that she is. She is a a Scalia jurists a great time to buy and read this more timely than ever. But in your mind, why is Antonin Scalia? Today what is his role in American history that people need to understand. Well I think that he he kind of brought. Did you get Sherry back to its its fundamental purpose in a lot of ways and this is something that Justice Kagan says in her forward that whether you agreed with him or not the force of his argument over thirty years on the court. Convinced. all sorts of lawyers that and judges that they had to engage with laws in the constitution based on their text and what what their original public meaning was, and so he's had an enormous influence on that for that reason and and because of that, he's kind of bought brought I think back and important democratic roll back to the people in our legislature that that was too often being seized upon by judges. and. When people who don't understand the importance of originalism which can come off as harsh in much. The same way our parents can can seem very harsh when they say, no, you can't stay out all Saturday night with those people who are carousing around town. You're twelve years. And later we we find the wisdom behind and it was love that was that was underpinning that. For people who who don't understand that for whom he is portrayed as mean, what's the most misunderstood thing about Antonin Scalia? I think that they see it. Yeah. It that description is mean also implies some like a sort of thirst for power or even an attempt to impose conservative policy preferences onto the law, and that's just that that couldn't be further from the truth for one thing he in many ways, it was kind of trying to give power back to the people. His vision of the judiciary was more democratic vision because it, it tried to ensure that again, the people through their elected representatives add. More say in laws as opposed to unelected judges and I think the the the power that judges have had is one reason or that they've assumed one reason we have such vicious confirmation battles, but also I think another main reason he's understood is that as I said, they think he was just originalism is a fancy way way to impose conservative beliefs but that's just not true at all I. as I said, there are so many cases involving defendant's rights and criminal rights that that. Definitely do not impose conservative beliefs and and would be more in tune to what would be called considered, liberal or progressive progressive views at the ballot box. The book is the Essential Scalia on the constitution, the courts and the rule of law. You know it can't be easy to be born a Scalia. It's it's a high standard. It's a high bar, but you wear it well and I know he's looking down very proud of you. It is an honor to have you as my guest and I'd love to have you back Christopher Scalia. Michael Wonderful talking to you. Thank you. Thank you buddy. Watch the debate we'll talk about it tomorrow. Liberty delayed farms, local award winning meads raise right in your backyard dates, chops, ribs, chicken liberty delight farms, Dot Com schedule, your delivery today fresh meats raised, right.

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Ep. 1000 - All Politics Is Local

The Ben Shapiro Show

1:09:22 hr | 9 months ago

Ep. 1000 - All Politics Is Local

"New York Governor Andrew Cuomo escape responsibility for. New York's disaster as Mayor Bill De Blasios slams the Jewish community the media. Sweden's second look and Hillary Clinton endorses Joe Biden. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. Today's Ben Shapiro. Show is sponsored by express. Vpn Your online activities should not be protect yourself at express VPN dot com slash Ben. Welcome to our one thousandth episode. The only thing special about this episode is that I just had. It's our one thousand th episode. That is the only thing that we actually think is important about the at like. It's all the same. I was GONNA take the day off for one thousand episode but I was told that that would be a bad idea. So let's jump right into an is up. There is a weird phenomenon out there or some people seem to be celebrating the failures of the United States with regard to corona virus. Championing the idea that the United States has been in gigantic failure among these people as Rachel. Maddow who is seeking to blame the entire pandemic president trump. Which is weird because it seems like the pandemic has it. You know like everywhere in fact the United States when it comes to our deaths per million population is basically middle of the pack. United States ranks about one hundred and seven nine deaths per million population according to world auditors. By contrast Spain is at five hundred nineteen million. Italy's at four hundred fifty three per million France. Three hundred sixty two million the UK is at three hundred nineteen million in other words. The United States ranks right now about half of all of those other places on earth nonetheless. Rachel Maddow is out there almost celebrating the idea that the United States is number one. Why because this allows her to dunk on trump because from America first and now we are number one in the number of corona various cases. Diagnosed a couple of things about that one. We're also number one in the number of tests we've actually done in the United States in terms of raw absolute numbers. We are number one. The number of was very odd as you hear. Some people in the media suggest we'RE UNDER TESTING. We're really really under testing. And then they'll say but we're number one in cases okay were number one in cases in the aggregate not per million population right. We're number one in cases just as a as a Rossum and then when it comes to testing we're also number one in testing in Rawson but the media used to different standards. They'll say that on a per capita basis the United States is not number one when it comes to testing but then they won't use per capita basis when they talk about the number of cases in the United States. They won't do that. The number of deaths in the United States the reality of the situation that the United States is not close to number one in terms of the number of deaths. We have suffered from corona virus. The United States is actually handled this thing pretty well except from New York. I'M GONNA talk about New York in just a few minutes here but here's Rachel Maddow last night trying to suggest that the United States has engaged in widespread failure. Why because on the back of failure you can change. The politics of the United States and this phenomenon is really ugly and really terrible. This is the phenomenon where folks on the left. Try to gin up a feeling of true disaster. Not that depends is not a disaster feeling that the government response was a true thorough going to ask her simply so that they can have been suggested. A vast changed the system. Here's Rachel maddow doing just that last night downplaying the threat ignoring the experts refusing to prepare. Donald TRUMP is failing America. The way that started the way the clip came in. You actually missed the first little bit of it which started with Donald Trump said he would put America first and now he has. The United States leads the world in Corona virus cases that whole America first slogan not aging. Well obviously in. This time can't hold back. This milder Canio knew that America first thing is first of all again. America is not the worst place in the world. Run of our statistically speaking United States again not close to the worst place in the world for Corona virus in fact the United States ranks better in terms of deaths per million population. Which is the stat that you should be using. The United States ranks better than virtually every European country with the exception of Germany. And when we talk about the United States is doing and we just passed one million total diagnoses of growth and again that is a vast under counting of the number of people who actually have corona virus and maybe five ten times that number considering that huge number of people are asymptomatic and antibody tests are showing a multiple a multiple of that number in terms of people who actually have acquired Cova nineteen. And who have not died? If you're if you're looking at the fact that we have a million cases and we have a population of three hundred and thirty million you'd have to actually aggregate the number of cases in in Europe. Right which has a similar population the EU altogether has a population that looks a lot more like the United States than any single country in Europe so suggesting that the United States has more raw cases than for example Italy when Italy has approximately at this point two hundred and one thousand diagnose cases but only sixty million members of the population. We have three hundred and thirty million people here in the United States. So again these numbers. Make no sense if you if you look at how. The United States has performed with the exception of New York. Which again we're GONNA get to in a second. United States is performed exceptionally well exceptionally well. The performing around were candid or Germany. Our outside of New York and New York disaster area. And let me give you those data on New York so that you understand that basically the United States when it comes to the treatment of Kobe nineteen countries New York and everywhere else when it comes to New York. New York has a population on nineteen million people New York State that about twenty three thousand deaths to date right now. New York State has one thousand one hundred eighty deaths per million population in New York state. Italy which was the hardest hit country for a while now Spain. The hardest hit country in Europe. Was Italy they twenty seven thousand deaths slightly slightly more deaths than New York state. But they've three times the population at sixty millions. They only have four hundred and fifty three deaths per million in Italy as opposed to one thousand one hundred eighty deaths per million in New York state in Spain which has been devastated. They've five hundred. Nineteen deaths per million New York state doubles that at one. Thousand one hundred eighty if you take New York state out of the calculation which again because it is so outside the normal distribution. You could make an argument for if you were to do that. The rest of the United States like Germany or Canada. So the idea that. This is equally devastated. Every part of the United States is obviously untrue. A national policy would be a disaster second of all does raise some questions about the governance in New York where supposedly Andrew Cuomo was hero of the day. I remember when the media did the same thing after Hurricane Katrina declaring that I believe is Kathleen Blanco was the governor of Louisiana at. The time was suddenly a wonderful governor and Mayor Ray Nagin. Who's a horrible mayor of New Orleans? By calling his city a chocolate city that had been taken revenge upon by the Federal Government when he was telling people not to leave the city in the middle of the hurricane and the media made him out to be a hero because Bush had to be. The bad guy is media malpractice. What has gone on in terms of how trump has been treated in the trump administration have been treated versus how the New York state government has been treated and the New York. Local government has been treated it is absolute journalistic malpractice. If they're Republican governor of New York the winding would never stop the anger and rage. Never Stop the media angry at Brian. Kemp for telling people can re open their barbershops than they are at Andrew. Cuomo in New York who didn't shut down until late. March and Bill de Blasio. Who's going out in public and telling people that they could go about their business through mid March. It's it's absolutely incredible. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about the fact. Mother's Day is approaching. It's kind of hard to see mom right now but mom should be able to see you and I don't mean just like how you are. Now I mean moms should be able to look at all of the old memories. 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Taking lives destroying family spreading through meat plants in nursing homes prisons forcing businesses in schools to close. The true number of infections is much higher than one million. Of course roughly one out of every one hundred three hundred thirty people in the US now tested positive for the virus. Now there's good news here and there's bad news. The good news is the bad news. Spreads really fast. Because we've been in lockdown and still. We have huge numbers right. Probably five to ten million people in the United States have already gotten corona virus. The the good news is that that means that we are actually getting fairly close to hurt immunity in certain areas of New York which is a good thing right. I mean that's what you're aiming for at a certain point. You're going to have to aim for her. To herd. Immunity is basically a vaccine ready to nature's vaccine herd immunity. Is You reach the level at which the reproduction rate of viruses less than one because so many people have already had the virus and for all the people right now who are saying well. There's no guarantee that. Antibodies CONFIRM UNITY. If antibodies don't community. Why are we spending all of our time looking for vaccine? That's exactly what a vaccine is. A vaccine just allows you to build up your antibodies to a particular disease. So if you're putting all your faith in a vaccine and at the same time shouting from the rooftops than antibodies. Don't confirm unity. I don't know exactly what you are waiting for at that point. You just throw up your hands and go out and enjoy your life right because then you're talking about nothing is going to stop this thing. It's just a matter of time before you get and then whatever happens to you happens to you now. In in worse news the coronavirus death toll is far higher than originally suggested according to CD DATA. They're looking at excess deaths over the prior five years versus the verse over this year versus the prior five years state to state and they've seen a significant uptick in New York City. Obviously normally they see about a thousand weekly deaths something like that New York City they were seeing up to six thousand weekly deaths in New York City near State. It was something similar New Jersey in this huge Spike Michigan. You've seen a spike. That's now flattening off Massachusetts there is some Illinois has been a little bit softer in terms of the the number of increased. That's Maryland has basically been kind of on par actually and Colorado's been nearly on par according to The New York Times. If you look at the provisional deaths from all causes death count's in New York New Jersey Michigan Massachusetts Illinois Maryland in Colorado have spiked far above their normal levels for the period in New York City. The home of the biggest outbreak. The number of deaths over this period is more than three times. The normal number recent data suggests it could reach six times higher than normal. And that means that there'd be a significant undercount on the number of deaths from March eighth to April Eleventh. The gap could have been up to two thousand people in New York City. It could have been up to three thousand people in New Jersey. Statewide had been another seven hundred people in Illinois. These numbers aren't aren't enough to change the overall infection fatality rate of this thing which is probably between point five point six. According to best available data which means it is significantly deadlier the flu is. We've been saying it's also significantly more transmissible than the flu. It is not three point. Four or four percents as the. Who was originally suggesting. Now what does this mean? It means that it will continue to be out there and we'll continue to kill people unless there's a therapeutic that comes about now we're expecting some news from Gilead Sciences a little bit later today about that disappear. Which is that drug that they were purporting to put out there. There's some good news. A couple of weeks ago suggestions that it'd been effective than there was a study that was cancelled in China. Though suggesting it wasn't as effective. We're going to find out whether there's therapeutic on the way which would be great but one thing to keep in mind. This thing is still out there it is still infectious and that is what it is right. That is what it is. We're just going to have to deal with that. Because as we remove the lockdown there will indeed be a spike in cases that that is not a shock. That's the purpose of lockdown. I thought people who are surprised that there's a spike in cases after the lockdown. I honestly don't know what they were thinking. I've been saying for weeks that the models were flawed. Because they didn't expect a second wave. Well if a lockdown is designed to prevent us from going out and infecting each other and then the lockdown ends because the original lockdown was designed not only brands from infecting each other but to stop us from infecting each other for a specific purpose namely to not swamp the healthcare system when we relieve the lockdown people will be in more contact with one another and then there will be a spike in cases. The question isn't whether there's a spike in cases without a vaccine of course there will be and again. The good news is the more people. Get it the better the chances that we eventually reach reach Immunity that's what Sweden has been thinking. The bad news is more people. Get it the more people who will die. The question is really. What is the alternative? And I have not heard any alternative from people right. Maybe you're waiting for the vaccine. You don't know when that's coming twelve to eighteen months. Nobody staying home for twelve to eighteen months. Maybe waiting for therapeutic. Maybe the therapeutical come. Maybe you don't know all we can do is be cautious. Try and spread this out over time. Which is why social distancing and masks matter and all the rest of us but the notion that we are going to avoid an increase in the number of cases like everyone knows there's going to be an increase in the number of cases. That's why I'm constantly shocked by the way people treat this thing online. What Oh my God? Georgia's opening up and they have a spike in cases. Yeah no BLEEP Sherlock I. That's the purpose of the lockdown is to stop that but the lockdown can't last forever and it served its actual purpose which was to stop the overwhelming of the healthcare system. We'll talk about Florida in just a second because people are using this as they set up a an expectation that cannot be met by reality that when people go out again. You're going to be somehow safer than you were when you went back in not much. I mean only because masks in the social distancing but virus didn't magically disappear. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about the fact that if you're online right now they're bad actors online too. I mean this is like heaven for hackers because everybody's spending all their time. Online retail shopping has all gone online. Everybody is shopping on a lot of credit card information. Floating around means tons of your personal data floating around hackers. Love this of stuff you need a VPN expressed. Vpn Is the best VPN. I never go online without using express. 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Florida is seeing a spike in cases according to the to the The Miami Herald Rather Florida's Department of Health on Tuesday confirmed seven hundred eight additional cases of Kobe. Nineteen bringing the state's total of confirmed cases to thirty two thousand eight hundred forty six. The eighty-three new deaths announced the highest reported on a Single Day. That brought the statewide total. Just over one thousand. That's not great but that is not nearly the original forecast which is going to be four. Five Thousand Dead in Florida his. So why are they? GonNa be additional infections. Of course there are also. You shouldn't really look at the numbers because death numbers lag and when you look at death numbers. You're looking at infections from two weeks ago. That's when people are dying after lingering. Unfortunately for a week or two in the hospital. Tuesday's number of new cases in Florida is the highest state has seen in the past three days. Saturday was lowest when the state reported a total of three hundred and six new cases and nine deaths which was a steep decline of new daily cases and deaths not seen since late March. That was likely caused by the Florida Department of Health. Changing it system of providing updates so that was not actually a change in the underlying data just changed how they are providing the updates but people are using this as an excuse to like well if we if we end the lockdown. Everything's GonNa go hog wild it's GONNA GO HAYWIRE OUT HERE. If you end the lockdown people will be in contact with one another. There will be more infections. None of this was ever in doubt. None of this was ever in doubt. And that's not change. The calculation here New York has apparently set up a circuit breaker. Andrew Cuomo says that if either the hospital system in an area of the State had seventy percent of capacity or if the rate of transmission reaches one point one meaning for every person who has the virus another one point one or infected then that would constitute a what he called the circuit breaker. The statewide transmission rate is about zero point eight percent meaning less than one person is infected. He said WanNa do it without infecting more people or overwhelming. The hospital system. Well that first one is not going to happen overwhelming. The hospital system. That's fine you can stop. More people will be infected. It will continue to run through the population. That's what viruses do social? Distancing will help to lower that but that's just the way things are going to go. The only thing you can really control is whether people are going to overwhelm the hospital system. That's where the circuit breaker should exist. Dr Deborah Brooks yesterday at the White House. She said listen we understand. There's going to be increased infections and we are ready for a second wave of the second wave should occur our job right now and our job in the White House to his chore that we are ready for anything that happens in the fall weather. It's testing whether it's P. P. E. WEATHER. It's ventilators whether it's complete surveillance system. That understands that we have to track for a symptomatic as well as symptomatic individuals. All of those pieces need to accelerate and expand to be ready for the fall. So she's getting ready for full. Dr Foul also says that everyone who needs a test. We'll be able to get one by late. May or June in the testing doesn't really change the outcome here because once or tested the treatment is exactly the same whether you were tested or not. If you go to the hospital in your have trouble and you're having trouble breathing you will get a test and then you will get treatment even if you test positive for Kobe. Nineteen that's probably not going to change anything except you're going to stay home already told people if you have a cough and you have a fever. You're supposed to be staying home anyway. The test actually don't change all that much other than if you have some sort of contact tracing can be put in place to tell people around you that they need to stay home. Even if they are asymptomatic that could help prevent the the fast spread and overwhelming the healthcare system but I keep reiterating the same point. People are GonNa get people are going to die. That's how this works. Sweden has taken this into account. Sweden will not see a second wave because they didn't do the lockdown in the first place Sweden which I. It's amazing to watch the New York Times on line. They're two separate articles in the New York Times today. Talking about how maybe Sweden did this after weeks of suggesting that Sweden was a disaster area. There's an article in the New York Times today. Talking about how Sweden may have done this right because there won't be a second wave. Apparently people are going out. They are they are enjoying life. They're restaurants that are open if they don't social distance than their shut down for the day but people are not actually being prosecuted gatherings more than fifty people are museums have closed. Sporting events have been canceled at the end of March. The authorities banned visits to nursing homes. And that's pretty much according to the New York Times. They're almost no fines. Police officers can only ask people to oblige. Pedestrians wearing masks are generally start out as if they have just landed from ours so they are going to be okay ramming Sweden looks like they're gonna be okay because nothing's going to change their because nothing changed there. In the first place in terms of people locking down permanently. It were you arguments spikes where people locked down permanently. We artificially suppressed the numbers. And now the numbers are GonNa spiking. Maybe artificial suppression was necessary. So we didn't overwhelm the system. That's possible but we have been saying for weeks. We were all going to become Sweden. It was just a matter of time as to when we did that. And so everybody who is ripping on Sweden. I have a question. What was your alternative can be locked down forever now. I want to turn to New York City because as I've said the the media coverage of New York is just a grievously bad egregiously bad. Look at the numbers. The numbers once more the state's death rates in New York City deaths per million population in New York state. One million one hundred eighty deaths per million one hundred one hundred eighty one one thousand one hundred eighty deaths per million that is twice the rate of Spain. That is more than twice the rate of Italy. So New York did something wrong here now. Some of that is population density. Some of that is dramatic government mismanagement and it is amazing to watch. As as the media blamed president trump and the federal government for the state completely botching it Enron was hero of the republic for at least a month year. Why because he was going on. Tv shouting president trump about how he needed more ventilators. But Andrew Cuomo is able to completely abdicate responsibility for his own state and by the way we shouldn't be treating every governor equivalent. Louis Kristi nome in South Dakota the governor of South Dakota. She never shut down her state basically citizens through a parade yesterday because she didn't shut down the state. Because you shouldn't have shut down the state Texas. Never completely shut down Florida. Never completely shut down. Did they get it worse than to Blasios? And CUOMO did in New York of course not but if you look at the media coverage Cuomo into Blasio are the gold standard for how you're supposed to act during a pandemic and the Santa's in Florida and Abbott in Texas and Kristi nome in South Dakota and the governor of Alaska. All these guys are bad people. They're bad people because they opened up in. The media have rooting interest and it seems that that rooting interest definitely aligns with diverses are because of the perfect. Prove this by the way Jarod Policy Colorado is starting to open up. He's not going anywhere. Near the kind of flack that other governors who have in our next to their name are getting now. We're going to get to New York in just a second because by the way the deaths per million in New York state is really high. The deaths in New York City per million are astonished. The deaths per million in New York City are absolutely crazy. There there've been about how. How many does have there been in New York City proper from cove in nineteen? I believe there have been about twelve thousand deaths in New York City to date from cove in nineteen Yeah it's about twelve thousand five hundred twelve thousand five hundred and there's an a about eight point four million so we'll round that up for purposes of being nice to New York that means that there have been twelve twelve thousand. It means that there have been approximately. I'm trying to your seven thousand. Two hundred cases per million in New York is. That could possibly be right. Maybe it's about twice the rate of New York state right because that means that because it's so heavily located they've had twelve thousand cases about half the number of deaths and it's it's about it's it's high again. Let's put it this way. It's it's very it's much higher than the New York. You can't be seven thousand nine hundred. I'm doing wrong here. But the bottom line is that you're looking at a depth per million rate that is extraordinarily high adhered. It's about about thirteen hundred. Eighty eight thousand nine hundred ninety deaths per million in New York City so in other words almost three times the rate that you saw in Italy almost three times and yet New York. State's government has been treated with kid gloves. No they're doing everything right. They're doing pretty much everything wrong. And giving example of how the media really treat the mayor and the governor with kid gloves because their activities over the last twenty four hours on a political level would kill any Republican. Who attempted this kind of stuff and should by the way we'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about the fact that right now is probably not the time you WanNa be going out to the auto parts store standing in line and then even if you could the auto parts stores probably overcharging you they're giving you generic part. 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Guess what WHO's bargaining against other states ventilators? Andrew Cuomo didn't shut down the state until eight March for all the talk about trump was late on the game. Trump issued his his fifteen days to sue the spread. I believe it was march march. Fifteenth March Sixteenth. Cuomo to shut down the state until March Twenty Third Mayor de Blasio is going on in early. March telling people that you go out and celebrate their lives. In New York everything was Hunky Dory somehow. These public officials escaped the escaped the censure of the media why well because the democratic agenda here is to blame it all on the federal government. Just like Hurricane Katrina where it's up to the state of New Orleans to control the safety of the citizens of the state of New Orleans and I say this as a resident of California. I think avenue some garbage governor. I think he's going to far right now. A lot of shutdown orders. I think that a lot of what he's saying insane but guess what didn't happen in California. What happened in New York now part of that has to do with population density but you know where there is pretty heavy population density is San Francisco. You know or else. There's pretty heavy population density Seattle New York either though cities anyway. Nancy Pelosi has been basically issuing the challenge to the trump administration suggesting that they blew it. It's all about the trump administration buoyant it not about New York which again remove New York from the national statistics and the rest of the United States like Germany which is supposedly the model of how this thing down here is Nancy. Pelosi blaming trump. What did the president know? And when did he know it? In addition to which What the scientists tell him and when did he tell them because actually matter of fact? This president has presided over the worst disaster in our country's history an assault on the lives and the livelihood of livelihoods of the American people and they did so by neglect of information. Also denial and delay in accepting the facts. Oh okay so Nancy. I remember in early March when you propose a grand total of eight billion dollars for funding for for the pandemic that was like March sixth. I remember don't you remember Nancy Pelosi at the top of her lungs hollering national shutdown? No I don't either because that didn't happen but she waited. She was on the same timeline as president trump. And by the way. She's the species speaker of the House. She's getting the same information. That trump was getting this idea. That trump was getting some sort of information that was unavailable to Nancy. Pelosi is just fantasy. There's there's there's no case in there is no reality in which that is the truth late February. She was going to Chinatown in San Francisco and telling people to come on out to Chinatown. Meanwhile what was going on in New York in New York? They were laid on the game. Governor Cuomo is admitting as much and the meteorological looked at honesty from governor Cuomo. I'm confused. Does that mean that he did a good job now? Here's Governor Cuomo yesterday saying I didn't blow the Bugle on it watches. He fusses this right he even even here. He thought that he says I wish I had been blowing the bugle on this. In December or January. Do you weren't blowing the bugle on this. In February you're not blowing the bugle on this in the first week of March. Don't give me January or December. I mean trump could use that same. Excuse we're we're in February like everything that people say about trump and trump didn't take this seriously enough. He's not the governor of the state that actually had this outbreak. He's the president of the United States. He didn't handle this well at the very beginning. But you know who handled a lot worse the state that actually got swamped here? Here's Andrew Cuomo your basically lying by omission here. Yeah I didn't blow the Bugle in December January. Yeah you didn't do it in in February. You didn't do it in early March either. Here's Andrew Cuomo. They wish someone stood up and blew the bugle and if no one was going to blow the Bugle I would feel much better if I was a bugle. Blow War last December January. Even though no-one dance to the music I would feel better sitting here today. Saying I blew the bugle about Wuhan Province in January. I can't say that okay. That's that's not only true. You didn't do it again. For weeks afterward. Newark was late on the game here and then Cuomo was asked about. You know the fact that you laid on the game here on Komo's governors don't do pandemics. That's a national issue really. Is it because it seems like you have been credited with doing a wonderful job in New York by the fact that you have not actually done a wonderful job in New York? It turns out that we have a federal assistance. And then not. Every state is similarly situated. So it's pretty convenient that you're able to suggest that you are in control. It's local control when you want it to be local control a national control when it's National Control Remember. I'm being perfectly even-handed on this point when trump said this is up to the states and then he said no. I have national control. I'm the President I said. No it's up to the states. You gotta be consistent on this. Well same thing holds true for Cuomo. You don't get to do pandemics our national issue. They're not my states issue when you can issue state shutdown orders and when you suggest to President Trump. Get Out of the state's business. So here's Andrew Cuomo trying to evade responsibility. Governors don't do global pandemics right but as a whole international national health community would do that. We're all the experts. Where was the New York? What was the Wall Street Journal? Where was all the beautiful blows who should say be careful? There's a virus in China. That may be in the United States. I was November December. We're sitting here January February. Still the Baiting How serious this is again. This is unbelievable. Well Cuomo saying here is nearly word for word identical to the stuff from says I trump says that over and over and the members. Well we wrote an editorial about this in early. February in Corona virus was a problem and don't remember Joe Biden writing an editorial for USA Today in late January. Okay so why is the one Cuomo? Says it is totally fine and the media. Like oh great. America's governor and then when trump says the exact same thing it's that man downplays his own responsibility for this. It's Cuomo's state that got hit and not only that it's CUOMO's garbage policies like hey look. An elderly person came in with cove in nineteen. Let's back to the nursing home that really exacerbated the problem it is Komo's Pol treating his entire state as a unitary body as opposed to. Hey wait a second maybe upstate. New York with a population density. That doesn't even look like the population. Density of New York. City may not be exactly like New York City. It's incredible you want to know the double standard that is held for Andrew Cuomo versus anywhere else. Check out what Andrew. Cuomo had to say about the homeless problem in New York City. Now the homeless problem has been a problem for a long time. It's been a problem in La to its problems Seattle. It's a problem. San Francisco liberally governed areas heavy serious homeless problem not only because urban areas tend to draw homeless folks but also because these cities have refused to crack down on the homeless largely the Democrats. Who suggested it is a civil right to sleep on the streets? There's been a problem for a very long time. Only now are governors like Andrew. Cuomo discovering that. It's actually a bad thing to let mentally. Ill people sleep on the street in their own. Filth only now. Are they discovering? This is a bad thing but listen to the language then. Cuomo uses year because Andrew Cuomo uses language about the homeless people. Sleeping on the subways. If any Republican used this language that person be out of a job. Here's Andrew Cuomo today. That is Disgusting what is happening on the subway. Cars it's disrespectful to the essential workers who need to ride the subway system. Upstate New York need to ride the buses to get to work. They deserve better than they will have better. We have to have a public transportation system that is clean with. The trains are disinfected. You have homeless people on trains. It's not even safe for the homeless people to be on trees so I agree with him. That it's actually a bad situation for almost people beyond trying to in fact. I believe that it's a bad situation for homeless people to be homeless meaning that you should not be allowed to sleep on the streets. You know who used to agree with me. The mayor of New York Guiliani right when when New York was not turning back into a garbage heap under bill de Blasio said Michael Bloomberg Michael Bloomberg agreed with that also but to use the word disgusting in conjunction here is there any doubt that Republicans had this. The headline would have been Republican. Governor homeless disgusting. Is there any question that would have been the coverage? Of course that would mean the coverage. The person have to apologize has been asked and the homeless problem is partially his fault. His state to Blasio has been allowing the homelessness in New York to build for years at a time through garbage governance. And then like all. Guess what it's a problem that we have a homeless problem in New York City. Well no no bleep. Sherlock congratulations. Okay now just Andrew Cuomo whose botched this one thoroughly and royally it is also mayor. Bill de Blasio the worst mayor in America. I mean truly. The worst mayor in America and I live at horrible Mary Eric. Garcetti is a horrible mayor. The man is fencing off the overpasses on Mulholland. Drive there four feet square. Because what are we going to do? We're GONNA get together. Have a rave out there or something but mayor de Blasio is actually a horrible person. An actual Sandinista Communist. The the the the man not only is a hypocrite. Who is going to the? 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I of course member of clear the vast majority of the Orthodox community around the United States is shutdown shutdown before lockdown orders in California. This has been true for every major shoal in the Los Angeles area. It's also true of every major show in the New York area. There's one particular area of New York in Williamsburg where there's civic groups and they've still been gathering and this is bad. I've mentioned this on the show. I had said that there are some groups. Most sitting by the way are shutting down like even among custom it is normal to shut down most hustle. Groups are shutting down now there are some groups who have still been getting together. This is bad. This is bad across the board. I said the Christian groups into a Jewish corruption do it. No groups should be doing this right. No group events right now. I have relatives who are in laws are going to be doing a wedding and a few months and they're gonNA socially limit the wedding. I mean this is just the way things work now. There was a funeral for rabbi over in over in Williamsburg yesterday and a bunch of people got together on the street. Now there are parts of the crowd. Socially distanced is a lot of listeners. In this community there are certain parts of the crowd that were in fact socially distance and in staying away from each other. There are other parts of the crowd. That will not right there. There are a lot of people who showed up at this funeral which was outdoors or no cars on the street. This is not good not supposed to be doing this. There are members of the Orthodox community by the way we're going around and telling people they needed to socially distance or get off the street so all this lead bill de Blasio. Who's a terrible person to tweet? This out he tweeted out yesterday my message to the Jewish community and all communities. Is this simple? The time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups this is about stopping this disease and saving lives period so a couple of thing to blasios personally traveled to over there in order to tell people to disperse because if it comes from building blasios mouth. It's taken much more seriously than this than if the NYPD shows up. No one was arrested by the way when they were told to disperse. Everybody did disperse second of all Bill de Blasio like showing up personally. What's going to get out on top of their with his bullhorn. Everyone please leave. Everyone plays by. This is the of the rally that you're not being shown right. This is this comes courtesy of a member of the community in Williamsburg one of the problems of photography. Is that if you use a particular type of Lens it makes people look closer together. You can see here that there was a fair amount of social distancing even in Williamsburg but with that said. Obviously you don't want big crowds of any type doing this sort of thing. But de Blasios singled out the Jewish community and he didn't just say like this little acidic subsection of Williamsburg he said the Jewish community. More broadly. As though like all the Jews on Broadway were getting together in their off hours and gathering in large groups and these are pictures from the funeral. You can see people socially distancing wearing masks at parts of this rally. This is not to say that there are pictures of people who are really close together and that's really bad but a lot of people were not particularly close together and that wasn't all that bad. The point here is that blasios singled out the Jewish community is the Jewish community. The only group of people in New York who have been getting together in large groups. Well what's let's take this one to the to the evidence yesterday? The Blue Angels that fly over in New York City here are some pictures from the blue angels. Fly over in New York City. You can see. Are those rather large crowds. They are rather large crowds. Are they outside just like the Williamsburg gathering? Yes they are. Are People Pretty close together absolutely and this has been happening for a while. There was all sorts of video and pictures from the US. Ns Comfort arriving in New York City. A couple of weeks ago. And you remember there were big crowds out there not socially distancing watching the US COMFORT. Come into the harbor to build a blasio. Call OUT THOSE PEOPLE. Did he arrive with bullhorn and his giant monster body to tell people that they needed to disperse while strangling groundhog. He did not right. He singled out the Jewish community. And then he has the gall to suggest well new anti-semitism in New York has never a thing. No NO WE WON'T TOLERATE ANTI-SEMITISM NEW YORK. What a fool. He is wonderful and then point out that that failure to abide by social distancing standards has no specific reason no specific religion because it is not tied to race or religion. It also noted that Bill de Blasio is fostering a program to give out free Ramadan meal. Something like five hundred Ramadan meals at thirty sites. That's that's fine. I mean okay. But he's sitting at thirty sites. I would imagine that can be kinda tough in terms of the social distancing putting all of that aside can you imagine if bill de Blasio said you know we have higher rates of transmission in the black community. So I'm telling the black community right now in New York City if you don't stop social if you don't stop gathering in large crowds we're going to send the NYPD to arrest you would build a blogs whoever said about black folks in your city of course not because it's absurd in Chicago by the way. This is a serious problem. People are getting together in very large groups and Qasim or the there were two separates thousand person parties in New York in Chicago Indoors. One of them involving strippers. Tmz reported on it Lori. Lightfoot the Mayor of Chicago say note to the black community. Stop getting together because otherwise we'll arrest you. Look like social distancing to you by the way I mean. These are large groups of people in small areas partying it up in the middle of a pandemic. It's the mask of the red death. Kind of stuff from from Edgar Allan Poe right everybody just getting together. There's there's there's another party with. Strippers going all sorts of good times over in Chicago. Now is that specific to the so-called black community. No PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS PEOPLE IDIOTIC. Things can most people are not idiots. Thank God most people are not doing idiotic things but to single out the Jewish community again. Would any mayor in the United States ever single out the black community for social gatherings like the answer of course is no but bill de Blasio is perfectly willing to single out the Jewish community because Bill de Blasio can get away with it? He understands that the folks in Williams we're going to vote for him anyway. So what? What a wonderful mayor. He is what you just incredible incredible leadership. We'VE SEEN FROM EUROPE. But this is all trump's fault in the end right and in the end we can blame all of this trump because trump says dumb things at press conferences doesn't matter that the trump team basically does the right thing in terms of action. The real question is that the the trump team is. There's bad and we know they're bad because they're orange and very bad and orange Jim Acosta by the way over at CNN. And you know what? I'm about to say ladies find you. Somebody who loves YOU LIKE JIM? Acosta was Acosta. Jim Acosta yesterday at the White House asked President trump about. How did we get from your projection of zero to one million? Why is it the no one at CNN will grill Andrew Cuomo or Bill De Blasio? But we're GONNA get the same question at every press conference. Why were you so wrong in early? March? How about ask him like what he's doing right now. You know what he's not doing right now condemning specific racial slash religious groups for not socially distancing and suggesting the cops are gonNA come pick them up other things he is not doing. He has also not sending nursing home patients with Colvin nineteen back to the nursing homes. Other things he is not doing treating the entirety of the United States as one inseparable block in terms of policy other things. He's not doing under supplying the people who are asking him for things but the only questions that come from the media about how trump is a very bad man. Who's very bad norge again? Here's a Kosta costume today. The US hit a grim milestone of one million cases of the corona virus. Back in late February. You predicted that. The number of cases would go down to zero. How did we get from your prediction of zero to one noy? Well it will go down to zero ultimately and you have to understand when it comes to cases we do much more testing than anybody else so we could go to some of these other countries you know as an example China. If you test you're GONNA show many more cases and so this is obviously the media attempting to to play this game They did it yesterday. Also with regard to Mike Pence Mike Pence went to the Mayo Clinic and he didn't wear a mask at the Mayo Clinic and everybody else is wearing a mask at the Mayo Clinic and the Associated Press reported vice president. Mike Pence chose not to wear 'em facemask Tuesday during a tour of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota in apparent violation of the world renowned medical centers policy requiring them. Video feeds show. The pens didn't wear masks when he met with a male employee who has recovered from code nineteen in his now donating plasma who's also massless when he visited a lab where male conducts corona virus tattoos the only participant not to wear a mask during a roundtable discussion. All the other participants did including the FDA chief Steven Hahn top male officials government him walls and US representative. Jim Hague Hagedorn is all over in Minnesota for quick note. You know one of the cost that people have not been talking about the Mayo Clinic. Which is one of the finest medical institutions on Planet. Earth had to cut tens of thousands of jobs apparently because people are not being allowed to do quote unquote elective surgeries. Which many cases are not supremely elective simply because of Colvin nineteen? Now people are very very angry. App Pens for not wearing the mask. Why did say that? He didn't wear the mask. He says vice president of the United States. I'm tested for grown virus on a regular basis around me is tested for Corona virus. I don't have it. I thought it'd be good opportunity for me to be here to be able to speak to. Researchers these incredible health personnel looked in the eye. And say thank you the real reason that he's not wearing a mask because of course because he wants a picture of himself at the Mayo Clinic Right. I mean this is how politicians treat the media. Nancy Pelosi is on the floor of the house wiping her nose and putting on the podium. And really there's video of her doing that. So why is everybody angry at Penn's because he didn't abide this this this real carrying here because there because he didn't abide by the social? He's being tested every single day. I promise you for Corona Virus. They're taking a nasal swab of that every five minutes. Is He actually danger to the people? The Mayo Clinic is the least dangerous person in America to be at the Mayo Clinic Mask List. But we're going to create a faux outrage over all of this and this is the goal of so many in the media asking these questions. They're just asking dumb questions here. This happened yesterday to there's a reporter who suggested that the United States is still under testing. This is not true. The United States is not under testing. He he went out. He went after trump. And said you know? President trump keeps saying that we have the most tested in the world. That's very very bad. And then Dr Birch jumps in and basically smashing down and then trump doubles down on it gentleman. I just WanNa make it clear. That South Korea's testing was eleven. Her her one hundred thousand and we're at seventeen. Hundred thousand apologised as you like go ahead numbers senior. Nobody knows who you are including me. It's just to get your facts right before we have had the facts wrong. Okay one of the things I love most about that is that burks is like the a student in the class and trump is just a D. student. He's sitting in the backseat Yahoo. How about you Yahoo Yahoo? That's pretty spectacular stuff. But every question from the media to the trump administration is geared. At what what? What about your gaffes? What about your failures? If Obama President there'd be none of this not a single out of this. All you have to do is check out the questions that are generally asked you Andrew Cuomo in New York. That's all you really have to do. Okay now let's get some things I like and then a bevy of things that I hate so things that I like today. So today is in fact Yamaha's mood disraeli. Independence Day that is a very good thing for the world because the only democracy in the Middle East is the Jewish state. And by the way it's one of the great success stories in world history. The Jews a people who have been persecuted for several thousand years regaining their historic homelands in the middle of the twentieth century. After the destruction of European Jewry at the rate of six million people nearly half of world Jewry murdered in forests and shot down gas chambers in concentration camps and the state of Israel is an amazing amazing place. It really is if you never visited when all this is over you should go visit Israel. It's incredible it's an incredible place Colton. Who is my producer? Came with me to Israel and we won't last year and it doesn't matter whether you're Christian or Jewish or Muslim Israel's an unbelievable place it is an incredible incredible place. All the people who haters. Don't know damn thing about it. All the people who suggest that it's very bad for there'd be a Jewish. There are lots of Christians States in Europe. The fact that there is one state that is reserved for the Jewish religion as the official religion of the state of Israel. That is a very good thing. Considering the long history of persecution of the Jews very interesting how for two thousand years there was no Jewish state and Jews were persecuted. Now there's Jewish state and people like you know the reason that people hate Jews because Jewish state say. Oh well it seems like you're sort of shifted. The rationale there on US real quick the fact that Israel is the protection for Jews. Because I'll get you know who I will not rely upon for the protection of the Jews people like Bill De Blasio hippolyte Jeremy Corbyn people like Bernie Sanders. I'm not going to rely on on their protection. The fact that Israel exists is the last line of defense for Jews on a religious basis because in Europe. Jews are fleeing as the anti-semitism rises. If America stays America America is the greatest country in the world for Jews but as it stands if American moves in another direction the final hope for the safety of Jews will always be a Jewish state that is able to protect Jews. All over the world. America's an amazing amazing place. Do I trust that officials? Like Bill de Blasio are interested in protecting all of their citizens including Jews not after tweets like the one he sent out today it so good good for Israel and that that is They're celebrating under bad circumstances. But if you ever have the opportunity to go visit Israel you certainly should. It's an amazing incredible place in a top American allied. America's real only ally in the region already time for some. We'll actually one more one more quick thing I like. So apparently there's some new results that are breaking from Gilead about room disappear according to Stat News Dot Com Gilead made the announcement in a statement on Wednesday stating we understand that the trial has met its primary endpoint. The company said that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease will provide data at an upcoming briefing. The government runs studies show that the medicine is effective against covert nineteen. So the this. This particular study is the most important and rigorously designed tested from disavow. Your incumbent. Nineteen the study compared to severe to Placebo in eight hundred patients with neither patients were physicians knowing. Who got the drug instead of the Placebo? So there shouldn't be any unconscious bias. He's affecting the conclusions. The main goal of the study is the time until patients improve with different measures of improvement depending on how sick they were to begin with Scott Gottlieb former. Fda Commissioner said that this should now be added to the emergency use authorization for for the toolbox. He said this isn't a home run but looks active and can be part of a of drugs and diagnostics that substantially lower our risk heading into the fall just severe which must be given intravenously is likely to remain treatment for patients are hospitalized but it's also likely it will be the most effective in patients who've been infected more recently rather than less. Iliad on Wednesday did release data from its own study of REMM disappear in patients with Severe Nineteen. The study showed similar rates of clinical improvement in patients treated with a five day and ten day course of Ram disappear so they said that it may be possible to treat patients with the five day treatment of remnants of. You're not attending course that was originally used data disclosed Thursday from three hundred and ninety seven patients. The study didn't reveal much about how well it's working but the conclusion is that there are basically two durations of treatment there is some level of efficacy so that is a that that is some good news. Hopefully we'll see some some new stats on all this patients in the trial generally lived eight percents. Eight percents of patients treated with five days of died. Compared to eleven percents of the patients treated for ten days outside of Italy where seventy seven patients were treated. The overall mortality rate across the entire study was seven percent which is lower than those seen in other studies which have been in the teens or twenty S. so hopefully this will be a A in a drug attitude toolbox new therapeutics we will hope coming out. Every day is that is that is definitely good news. Okay time for some things that I hate. So let's look for a second to the the twenty twenty raise so Justin Amash. The Libertarian from Michigan announced that he is going to run for president on a third party ticket which means that his in his immediate family and the remaining quote Unquote never-trumpers will probably vote for him. It's like seven people. He he's not actually a threat to win a severe number a significant number of votes in this election. The president trump has high approval ratings among Republicans. The Democrats are GONNA be able to get out their base. I do not see a lot of room for Libertarian in this election cycle libertarians. Blue last time around when there was widespread dissatisfaction with both candidates. I don't think that he's going to have much of a shot in on policy. I tend to like Justin Amash. I like many of the things he said but he does not have a constituency at this point outside of his congressional district. And so the I did. This is going to radically changed. The race is very silly. I also do not like the idea on the right of third party candidates in this particular election. The reason being it is going to create a narrative that I think is absolutely false. Which is that if you do not vote for just a mosh it is because you embrace every aspect of president trump is because you love all the bad things about him and that obviously is not true. A lot of people just think that just imagine going to be president and I'm GonNa vote for trump against Biden that that is the logic I would think of most Republicans including Libertarians vote. Republican is. They're saying why. Would I throw in my vote on adjusted a marsh? When I could be voting in a close fought election. That really is going to decide a lot about the future of our country specifically because the pandemic has shifted the internal politics of the country fairly dramatically. So is just an ashes. Run A bad idea. Not for Justin in Amman. She can do it. He wants me. It's a free country. Is it something that is that changes the race in any real way? The answer of course is really no. Meanwhile it is fun to watch as the simultaneously pursue avenues of of two thousand Twenty Strategy Avenue. Number one is massive change on the back of a global catastrophe and avenue. Number two is Joe. Biden cannot be held to the same standard. We hold everybody else on me too stuff. And that's really fun to watch. Because on the one hand it really undercuts by nuncio separate levels on the one hand Biden likes to say that he has basically the status quo candidate status quo ante candidate. We're GONNA go to the great days of Obama. Remember how great it was great? Remember how fantastic. It was back in the days of Obama. Well you can have that back if you just vote for Joe Biden. Also we're going to radically revise. The American right. So he's he's undercutting his own message there and then on the second plane he is. I am a return to class in the White House and decency and all men should be held accountable and also A damned liar and we are going to ignore everything she has to say. And we'RE GONNA call for due process because now when it's Joe Biden we wanted to process. Now listen I think the Joe Biden has every right to say this never happened? I think Joe Biden has every right to evidence. I think Joe Biden has every right to suggest that people to hold people to a process of evidence in due process standards. I think that's all right. I'm just finding kind of ironic that everybody in the metoo movement holds that Santa for Biden but for else. So here is the first prong of this. Joe Biden today A little bit of a an endorsement video with Hillary Clinton. Yesterday he had her on his silly podcast and from his from his basement and he says he's going to go to her for advice. Which is probably the worst thing you can do. Hillary gives very bad advice. She thanked him by the way for doing this from his for being able to to talk with him from his basement note. Last Time Hillary Clinton was in a basement with a wrench and Jeffrey Epstein. Was there in any case here was. Here's Joe Biden saying he's GonNa Keep Calling Hillary for advice which is pretty much the worst thing you can do in a presidential election. I think Hillary for join us in this conversation today. And Hillary. I'M GONNA keep calling asking for your advice. The Krona viruses shining bright light on equities in our country. And there's so much work to do but I have no doubt we can meet these challenges brought on by this virus if we work together if we work it by the way he actually did seem to be falling asleep talking to Hillary Clinton. That was pretty funny now. Do we have that clip? It's pretty. It's pretty hilarious. Women in our country has been classified as essential. So this is an issue that affects all of us. Young and old. Joe Joe you there Joe Joe Joe. I assume he's just looking down at his notes or something but it looks very much as though Joe Biden has gone combing does in interview but the the first prong again is that he is going to propose radical solutions at the same time claiming that he has returned to status quo ante here yesterday with Hillary and Hillary was saying. We can achieve health justice from this crisis. Basically the manual thing right. It's a crisis. And if we didn't achieve health justice on the back of a pandemic we'd be blowing. The opportunity. Pandemics are not opportunities pandemics are catastrophes to treat a catastrophe as an opportunity to be a bad person. Here's Hillary this would be a terrible crisis. Waste as the old saying goes. We've learned a lot about what our absolute frailties are in our country when it comes to health justice than economic justice. So you know. Let's be resolved that we're gonNA solve those once you're elected president that's amazing she's openly. This is why Hillary such a bad politician by the way just openly says this stuff like she says the quiet out loud. We should never let a good crisis. Go to waste. You know like you know. Seventy five thousand Americans die. That's a great opportunity for US. Completely BANKRUPT PRIVATE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. That has been extraordinarily responsive. It's a great opportunity for us to do Medicare for all which has been working perfectly in France and the UK and in Italy Ovacik nationalized healthcare systems and all of which have a worse rate of death per million than the United States. By the way so that is wrong. Number one then. There's pro number. Two which is the media and Democrats completely downplaying. The metoo two questions about Joe Biden so again I will say I actually do not find Tara. Reid's allegations particularly credible usually. There's a pattern of conduct when people do this sort of stuff also. There are serious questions about the time line and she says she filed the Senate report. That's report seems to be missing in action but we now know that terrorists mom called into Larry King. We know that Terry a bunch of people who are around her about this allegation which is more contemporaneous evidence than Christine Lazy forever provided in his Hilarious Hilarious to watch the Democrats Pretzel themselves. On this thing I mean it. It really is incredible. So let's take for example. This feminist metoo leader the metoo founder. Her name is Toronto Burke. But here's what she tweeted about this. I took a moments away from work and movement related issues to be present where I was needed as my family was affected with covert but I know many of you are wondering about my take on the terror read story one out of fourteen. Nothing like along twitter threat. My stance has never wavered survivors have a right to speak their truth and be given the space to heal. The inconvenient truth is that the story is impacting US differently because it hits at the heart of one of the most important election of our lifetime and I hate to disappoint you but I don't really have easy answers. Oh don't you? Oh don't you weird because I have a feeling that these allegations were made about Donald Trump and they were you would not be while you know this impacts the election I have. I have some serious concerns. Just there are no perfect survivors and no one especially a presidential candidate is beyond reproach. So where does that leave us? Where does that leave us in a just world? We have a transformative approach to dealing with claims of sexual violence were survivors stories given fair consideration and there are made whole by a process that supports both accountability and healing. Lots of words. That'd be nothing weld. On their this is doubly important when outsize power dynamics are involved. But we don't have that right now. I thought this what you were fighting for. Now be a great time for you to stand up for what we have not zero sum game where absolutely no one wins really. Does no one win because of what you stood up for words believe women? You'd be out there on the ramparts shouting about Joe Biden being a molester in part because most people weighing in at the moment don't actually care about transforming a culture of sexual violence There we go when when when your argument is bad then the first thing you should do is impune the motives of people who are making the counter argument right when when your argument is bad definitely impune. The motives of people covering the story is not that a woman came out and accused. Can we say credibly accused when he gets used credibly accused? It was because that was the word with Christine. Blaze is credibly accused. And they kept using credibly accused long after her story completely fell apart. Credibly accused okay. So we can't say credibly accused battery for some reason and then I love the fact that she's like well. We can't trust. People were asking questions because their motives are bad. Oh because the motives of people asking about breath cabinet were absolutely great. The same people who are saying they wouldn't vote for Brett Cavanaugh. If their if their choice were voting for Brad Kavanagh or being thrown into a flaming hot lava pit. Those people their motives were absolutely pure in taking Christine Blazey Ford at face value. Toronto Burke Metoo founder so many of you are only interested in the story because you're entertained by the trauma of others or because it has the potential to be politically expedient with no real regard for the survivor weird because if you had regard for the survivor teams like you'd be taking her story super seriously right right now. It seems like they're kind of dismissing her story because he like Joe Biden is not really. What's going on here? Isn't this variation of the Nina Burleigh argument? That was made in one thousand nine hundred during the. Lewinsky Scandal was unit. Who is I believe writing for? Time magazine at the time said that she would do. What Lewinsky did to keep abortion legal? Toronto Brooks is on the one hand Tara. Reid has been afforded the opportunity to speak truth through mainstream media reporting on her claims and ongoing investigative journalism has she though because no one's had MSNBC. Nobody's had her on CNN. The New York Times made one report on it on April Twelfth. And that's it really. Was that the fair shake. She should have been able to come forward in a process where she was treated fairly in untrusted system instead like other public survivors before her she had rely on journalists in order to be precisely because the system for survivors are not in place. You know she should have gone to as you. Toronto Burke and then maybe you should become out of the. You're the you're the two lady you're the me too lady and you're like well you know. This is a complicated issue. I I find it very difficult to believe. Toronto Burke would would find this quite complicated if her political interests were not impugned here on the other hand offensive. Joe Biden shouldn't wrestling whether he's a good guy our only hope instead. He could demonstrate what it looks like to be both accountable and electable. Oh is that is that how meaning at a minimum acknowledging that his demain demonstrated learning boundaries with women at the very least left him open left him open to all of this right now and then she continues. She continues no matter what you believe. We are allowed to expect more of the person present running for president of the United States. This is where we are. We don't have a guidebook for this in part because it would take a willingness from all of us to write it survivors more than being used as a political football by disinterested parties and a culture of acknowledging harm can't exist if we continue to view sexual violence as a catastrophic outlier rather than embedded toxic elements marquee. So basically that is I'm not going to condemn Joe Biden. Because I like Joe Biden and I want him to be the president. Speaking of people who Joe Biden to be the President Stacey Abrams so Justin Amash announced. He's GONNA run for president. My friend Seth Man had the best on this. He said immediately. Stacey Abrams sensor application because Stacey Abrams is unemployed at the moment and she's desperate to be the vice president and Joe Biden apparently is taking a look at her mainly because he hasn't pretty bad numbers among black. Americans Shockingly Donald Trump actually has cut into the black vote share so stacey. Abrams told the Huffington post in an e mail. I believe women deserve to be heard. I believe that has happened here. The allegations have been heard and looked into for too many women often. That's not the case. The York Times conducted a thorough investigation. Nothing in the Times reviewer any other later reports suggest anything other than what I already know about. Joe Biden that he will make women. Proud is the next president of the United States and then doubled down on that she said No. I don't have a double standard with Joe Biden and Brad Kavanagh no double standard whatsoever. So she said on CNN that she there's no double standard here. No no double standard at all. She says not at all. I believe then I believe now. Women deserve to be heard because too often they are not and Thiru deserve to have. Her story listened to an investigated. What was happening to Christine? Blazey Ford was. There was no investigation. There was no investigation. They went and interviewed witnesses. There's a rush to move it. Forward to no investigation was conducted. They literally delayed the vote. Brett cavenaugh by a full weeks of the FBI could conduct an investigation. You remember this Jeff. Flake delayed the vote for week. I believe those allegations needed to be investigated. I believe the New York Times and subsequent report support with the Biden campaign. Said I believe Joe Biden. So maybe that has more to do with Stacey Abrams wanting to be his. Vp candidate the best. The best is Kirsten. Gillibrand so Kirsten Gillibrand. Who is just a human bag of Plato able to take any form? She originally ran as a conservative Democrat in New York. Who's pro gun and had questions about abortion? And now she's running as she ran for president has intersectional warrior on the ramparts of radical culture. Sleigh queen so Kirsten Gillibrand the crap senator from New York who basically came out against Al Franken forced him to step down over allegations that he was grabbing women's boobs while they were asleep and then she also came out against cabinet and suggests that his life should be ruined because of all this and she said that if she'd been around in politics in the late nineties she probably she probably would have gone up against the Clintons and she would have told the Clintons that bill needed to leave does after Hillary Clinton supported her and after she took all of their support now Christian childrens like you know who needs to process Joe Biden so Bill Clinton under the bus because he was no longer useful. Brad Kavanagh can't be on the Supreme Court because there are unverified and on evidence allegations against him and also we need to make sure that Al Franken leaves the Senate. But you know who's the best? Joe Biden Kirsten. Gillibrand is just my. Has there ever been a more transparently? Ridiculous politician than Kirsten Gillibrand. I'm not sure what's going. What's what's in the in New York between Cuomo Gillibrand into Blasio? You folks need a better class of criminal. Here's Kristen Gillibrand when we say I believe women For this explicit intention of making sure their space for all women come forward to speak their truth to be heard and in this allegation that is what char read has unsheathes converged. She's spoken and they've done investigation. Several outlets I stand by Vice President Biden. His devoted his life to supporting women and he has been denied this allegation. Well that is that is. That is a an amazing shift in position there. Kirsten Gillibrand and I'd be surprised by that except that you play political twitter basically every single day which has got zero votes in the Democratic primary for president. One of the most lovely things was watching. Kirsten Gillibrand twist herself into a gender studies major to Wellesley in order to run for president and then completely fallen on herself a dying star. That was those pretty delicious. It is even more to. Let's just watch shells out her final principle the metoo movement in order to back Joe Biden to maybe grab a crumb of of maybe like a cabinet maker Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Kirsten gillibrand ridiculous. Ridiculous stuff will any of this end up costing by I get the feeling this is going a little bit and that the double standard is going to be bad for job. I remember people are saying well. He can just shout. Trump trump trump has really bad history with women. Okay he can try it. There's only one problem and this is what Hillary discovered in two thousand sixteen. Donald trump is a mud monster. The man is made of mud if you throw them out of Donald Trump what he looks the same as he did before he is still a mud monster. If you throw them out of the mud monster he now has more on him. If you throw mud at Joe Biden and Joe Biden has been portrayed as pure as the driven snow as clean and as white as a freshly spreadsheet. That's GONNA show a lot more and it's GonNa be a problem for Joe Biden. Changing perception of a politician is much more dangerous than reinforcing. A perception of a politician. So that is where things stand in two thousand twenty with regard to Joe by moving back a little bit later today with two hours of digital content. Otherwise we'll see you here tomorrow for much much more. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Show if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. And if you want to help spread the word. Please give us a five star review and tell your friends to subscribe to reveal on Apple podcasts. Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts. Also be sure to check out the other daily wire podcasts including the Andrew Klavan show the Michael Knowles show. 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Ep. 981 - The Coming Storm

"New York prepares for a corona virus to Nami as other major cities build their seawalls. New INFORMATION SUGGESTS CORONA virus may be far less deadly than originally suspected and president from moles over how to reopen the economy. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. Today's show is sponsored by express. Vpn Don't let others track what you do. Keep yourself safe at expressive. Vpn Dot com slash Bengoecha night express VPN dot com slash man already. So we bring you all of the updates the biggest update. Of course the leads. The world in confirmed corona virus cases and members of the media are going nuts over this. The United States were number one that was trending on twitter yesterday. Wow we're number. One people suggesting that this shows that America really is a third world country. Julia Joffe the execrable columnist for G. Q. Sh actually tweeted out. Who's The bleep whole country? Now who's the lethal that of course opposed to be making fun of President Trump? Who suggested he didn't want people immigrating from Leepo countries because they might not actually be the best American citizens depending on the culture from which they came again that was very controversial comment at the time and poorly expressed by the president. But let's just put it this way. The United States is not a country because we have a lot of tests if you're going to identify which countries are having the hardest time with corona virus. The United States. Yes we are having a rough time with corona virus it is not even close to the countries that are having the toughest time with. How can we tell? Because what doesn't matter is. The number of cases diagnosed. What does matter is the number of cases of deaths over the number of cases a country has a. That'd be a good measure truly because you cannot measure the ability of a country to deal with crisis by simply the bottom line numbers to how many people have experienced the crisis. It's how those people actually recover from the crisis. How many people die so while it is true that the United States now has the most cases of diagnosed corona virus that is largely because China has undoubtedly been lying about the corona virus situation in China supposedly according to China. They're having like twenty five new cases of grown virus a day. Does anyone believe that literally the day? After they expelled American journalist they apparently stopped testing in China that is according to sources inside China beyond that the United States right now as of now has eighty six thousand confirmed cases of Grin virus in United States without thirteen hundred deaths. Okay let's not spectacular but that means death rate of approximately one point three percent. Italy has eighty one thousand cases of grown of IRIS. An eight thousand. Two hundred deaths is so eight times as many deaths as the United States about seven times eight times about as many deaths as United States and fewer diagnose cases. Spain has sixty four thousand diagnosed cases. Nearly five thousand deaths so the notion that the United States is a bleep whole country because of the number of krona virus. Diagnoses is ridiculous. I mean France has more deaths right now and they only have thirty thousand diagnosed cases by the way nationalized healthcare systems in most of these places. So the the kind of triumphalism. Very Weird triumphalism. You're seeing from media now that the United States has the most corona virus cases that demonstrates that the United States is the worst country or alternatively it demonstrates that you don't understand maths. Maybe we have the worst math programs in the country. Busy idiots don't understand what a numerator and denominator are in terms of determining rates but with that said again the United States is dealing with this thing so far in the big question is going to be whether corona virus overcomes the capacity of the healthcare system has been the question for a long time. I've been talking about on the program for weeks at this point when we talk about flattening the curve the point of flattening the curve is not that everyone will not eventually at Corona virus in all likelihood everyone will eventually get corona virus. The question is whether that swamps our capacity to deal with it and right now it is unclear exactly how much we are going to be swamped because we're seeing reports. That suggested. We're GONNA be swamped. The media obviously are trying to kind of get ahead of those reports we saw Casey hundred. Nbc News tweet out earlier today. That hospitals were already making decisions about who would get events later in who would not except for the fact that hospitals are not actually doing that at this point right and so the notion that we are like being overwhelmed right now right the second. We don't know that yet. There have been these forecasts that we were GONNA get overrun by earlier. This week. I remember Andrew Cuomo suggested by Tuesday. New York City's hospitals ICU. Beds there ventilators. Were GonNa be overwhelmed and the suggestion was that by today by Friday. That's in your system was going to be overwhelmed. And we'll see whether it is indeed overwhelmed although the reality is that most of the New York public officials are saying right now that they are not overwhelmed right. That is as things stand at current but the United States does lead the world and confront coronavirus cases because ramping testing. Which is good thing? We should be ramping up testing on a get back to work. You want to know how bad this thing is. We need more testing and we need tests of of blood. A blood serum we. We need to know whether people have told the antibodies because one of the things that we're trying to figure out right now is just how deadly this thing is. What exactly are the death rates? And that is something that we'll have at. And by the way mice I strongly suspect that not tens of thousands not hundreds of thousands millions of Americans actually have had corona virus. That is that is my deep suspicion. Not just my suspicion by the way the suspicion of virtually everybody who has taken a look at these numbers yesterday we had on a doctor from from Stanford University suggesting that he thinks that if you take the number of people broadly speaking across the United States who have had corona virus or do have my risk and don't know about it and experience no symptoms or mild symptoms and then moved on with their life. If you take that number and you take the number of deaths over the actual number of people who have had or do have grown virus. You're looking at a death rate. That actually does look much more akin to the flu. Now that's not mean you're not going to see more absolute death in the United States. Because if three hundred million people get it and it has the same death rate as the flu you are still going to end up with like five times as many people dying from that flu because every season in the United States gave about fifty sixty million people with the flu if instead he had three hundred million people with the flu. More people on an absolute level will die. This percentage is work but the reason I suspect. Because you're seeing a lot of prominent people come down with this thing right. Boris Johnson the Prime Minister of Great Britain announced today that he has mild symptoms of Krona virus and he tested positive for corona virus. So the question becomes. Why is it that all of these prominent people are getting corona virus or you get the NBA or a bunch of people have corona virus? You're seeing celebrities like Tom. Hanks and Wilson Have Corona virus. You're seeing fairly famous. People come down with Corona virus so the question is is this thing that is this a thing that like only famous people are getting or alternatively is it that in a time of a shortage of testing is possible the only people who are getting tested celebrities right which is probably the accurate assessment of the situation right. The NBA was getting early tests because almost people are rich and famous and celebrities and they've hookups doctors and they can get a connect so it's not that only NBA players are getting it or that. Only prime minister. Boris Johnson is getting it. It's the you may have had it or you might have had it but you didn't get a test because you're not famous and he's the test are hard to come by okay. So according to the New York Times. The United States is the world's third most populous nations. Of course. That's not a shock that we also have the world's highest number of corona virus cases and also it's difficult to compare the United States to like Italy. Italy has nearly as many cases as we do and they have sixty million people. We have three hundred thirty million people on a per capita basis. Not even close to number one on a per capita basis. Were somewhere in the middle of the pack actually in terms of diagnosed corner virus case if you took the United States versus the EU which is closer to apples to apples. Then you would be looking at the EU swamping. The United States and as I say China is number one in terms of population. India is number two in terms of population we have no actual data on. I think it's I think that's right. I think China's more than India. But it's pretty close in any case we don't actually have any data from India and China has been lying about their data so we don't actually know if the United States is number one. That again is not stopping people in the media from suggesting that this is because the United States is uniquely weird and evil and all the very word that the same people who accuse religious Americans of having this apocalyptic view of the United States accused religious Americans sitting around going well. God is sending a plague on this cruel nation right. Those same people are sitting around going well. The United States were were believable. Country was sort of had this coming. Didn't we we sort of deserved it? They have this very weird sort of quasi religious view. The Mother Nature is taking revenge in some sort of vague sense. It's very weird there. Well we'll get to more of this in just one second because there is good news today and there's bad news today we're GONNA get to the bad news first and then we'll get to some of the good news is to where things stand because again there's a lot of data floating around. They're going to try to go through all of it. The theme of the show. If you haven't noticed for the past several weeks is I don't know and you know and who claims they know is lying to you? Okay so when you watch the media and watched the media's narrative on this thing evolve in real time understand that's because the date is moving around some people are GonNa be honest about that and some people are going to lie to you about that. We're going to be honest about that. It's just we don't know what we don't know because right. Now there's there's sort of pressure for everybody to come down hard for people for people to go to their priors to people immediately to declare. 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Light STREAM DOT com slash responsible about your finances especially in this rough time. Okay so as I say. That was the big headline that the United States is number one in terms of corona virus diagnoses. But that doesn't make a huge difference because who cares. It's really how many people die compared to that number and whether the health system gets run the speaking of that. Scotland who is the former trump headed the? Fda's become more trusted voices on this thing. He put out a chart showing the emerging situations in various American cities and how exactly the deaths are doubling in New York City. Basically deaths are doubling every couple of days Andrew. Cuomo suggested that. That is starting to sue flatten out. That thanks to the social distancing. Thanks to walk down that starting to flatten out a little bit. Michigan is really jumping. Michigan has a very steep curve right now in terms of the number of people who are dying every day again. There's not a lot of data you're like four days into some of these charts Michigan's only being measured after like four days. Basically usually pretty sharp curve up in New Jersey. You're seeing a fairly sharp curve in Georgia. California for some reason his lagging and that's interesting right Florida's also kind of lagging and that. That's interesting as well. A there was an article in the associated. Press ask him why Los Angeles for example has so many fewer diagnosed cases than New York City. Part of that may be lack of testing part of that is undoubtedly the fact that being a lifelong resident of Los Angeles much more spread out town. I mean New York. Everybody is right on top of each other. The subways are always crowded during me. Some serious questions to be asked by the way people are talking about Andrew. Cuomo presidential candidate look at all of his great leadership. They're going to be some fairly serious questions to be asked to. Andrew Cuomo and build Blasio if this really does get bad in New York City as to why they were leaving public transportation running in the middle of all this seriously like why. We're all the subways running. I mean those are the places that are most likely to be the areas in which people acquire corona virus of hard surfaces in small areas underground. That that's going to be what you're noticing here. By the way is that many of the areas that are public transportation systems are the ones that are getting the hardest hit if people it turns out that Mister personal protective equipment was your car. Being on public. Transportation is a place where you're most likely to acquire germs GOTTLIEB's at him worried about emerging situations new ORLEANS DALLAS ATLANTA MIAMI DETROIT CHICAGO PHILADELPHIA AMONG OTHERS. New Orleans is a pretty sharp spike right now. In China no province who bay ever had more than fifteen hundred cases in the United States? Eleven states are already hit that total are epidemic is likely to be national in scope. Well it is true. It's likely to be national in scope but there are likely to be differences by area. We're going to get to that in just a moment. Meanwhile again all eyes on New York City because New York City is is sort of the canary in the coal. Mine is the epicenter of the outbreak in the United States. According to The New York Times The New York City death toll had three hundred sixty five last night. The case count topped at twenty three thousand which means that somewhere between one third and one half of all cases in the United States are happening in New York City. Health officials reported late. Thursday New York City hit added thirty. One hundred new confirmed corona virus cases since the same time on Wednesday bringing the total to twenty three thousand one hundred twelve by comparison. More than forty four hundred. New cases were added from Tuesday to Wednesday. So maybe the curve is starting to flatten out Chris Andrew Cuomo had suggested that the governor the number of various related deaths climbed three hundred sixty five on Thursday up from two hundred eighty the day before from Wednesday more into Thursday morning. One hundred people died of grown in the state overall said Andrew Cuomo at a news briefing on Thursday. He said the number of patients hospitalized in York shut up forty percent in a day which was the sharpest increase in days. He said that older and weaker patients have been keeping on the ventilators for twenty days or longer before they succumbed to respiratory failure failures. That means that the the shortage is that we're talking about are not just number of ventilators versus number of people are sick. It is also that once you're on events later you're staying on ventilator for quite a while he says the longer you're on events later the more probability of a bad outcome he said the governor. The governor emphasized that the numbers on any single did not necessarily capture the damage being caused by the virus. He said when you talk to projection models they'll as get fluctuation they don't know if it's a deviation what hospitals happened to report that day so he says don't take the day by day numbers in New York. Take the three day averages. The three day swing averages however Cuomo did express some optimism that perhaps New York was in fact slowing the growth of the car. With all of that said. We're still trying to figure out where these projections end up and it's very difficult to tell where these projections and up at this point. There is the suggestion that the peak is not gonNa be hit until sometime in April. And there's one study that came out. I mentioned it briefly yesterday from the University of Washington. School of Medicine. Adjusting THE CORONA virus. Pandemic could kill more than eighty one thousand people in the United States in the next four months and might not subside until June. They say the number of hospitalized patients is expected to peak nationally by the second week of April though the peak may come later in some states because again this thing does not spread perfectly evenly. Some people could to drive the virus's latest July. Although deaths should be below epidemic levels of ten per day by June at the latest. According to the analysis the analysis has a wide range vow comes ranging from low as thirty eight thousand deaths to his high one hundred sixty two thousand dollars which is why again you should take every prediction with a grain of salt when the range is literally fourfold. It is very difficult to tell exactly where this thing is going to go. The variance is due in part to disparate rates. The spread of the virus in different regions which experts are still struggling to explains Dr Christopher Murray Director of the Institute for Health Metrics and evaluation at the University of Washington who led the study. The analysis also highlights the strain placed on hospitals at the peak sick patients could exceed the number of available hospital beds by sixty. Four thousand could require these around twenty thousand ventilators which is interesting. Because that study says twenty thousand ventilators Newark alone has been calling for thirty to forty thousand ventilators so this study from the University of Washington says that a peak you might need twenty thousand ventilators. That's that's half of what we are being told like days ago about the forty thousand ventilators that we're going to be needed. The the doctors at University of Washington the virus spreading more slowly in California. They say that P cases there would come later. In April social distancing measures might need to be extended in the state for longer they expect Louisiana and Georgia are going to be fairly hard. Hit throughout all of this. All of this has led to the politicisation of talk around ventilators. There's a story from the New York. Times about how the federal government had supposedly cancelled the contract with GM and Benthic life systems to produce ventilators. And it was flying around twitter last night on give you the actual story because it's buried in paragraph ten of the New York Times piece according to New York Times piece. Basically the trump administration thought ventilators. Were too expensive. That's not the actual story. We'll get to that in just one second. I okay right now. You need to make sure that you're hiring is as efficient as possible. You're hiring exactly the right people. You're building for the future. You GotTa make sure that your company is running as efficiently as possible. 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The White House had been preparing to reveal on Wednesday a joint venture between GM INVENTEC LIFE. Systems that would allow for the production of as many as eighty thousand desperately need ventilators to respond to an escalating pandemic. When word suddenly came down that the announcement was off no notice. It really is fascinating. How variable these numbers are right again. I go back to my main point. Nobody knows anything or can they? University Washington study says that at peak we might need twenty thousand ventilators. This story is about how the US government was going to try to acquire eighty thousand ventilators. Now listen I'd rather have too many. Who View obviously but when you are off by a factor of four in some of these predictions it is very. I mean. This is all catches catch contents. It catches Canada's incredibly sloppy. And that's just the way the life is sometimes but let's recognize that. This is not pinpoint accuracy. We have the hard data. We know what the science we. We don't know a lot of things that decision to cancel the announcement. Government officials say came after. Fema said it needed more time to assess whether the estimated cost was prohibitive. That price tag was more than one billion dollars with several hundred million dollars to be paid up front to GM to retool a car. Parts Plant in Kokomo Indiana where the ventilators would be made with. Ven Tech's technology government officials said. The deal might still happen. But they're examining leads dozen. Other proposals they contend that initial. Promise that the joint venture could turn out twenty thousand ventilators short order had shrunk to seventy five hundred with even that number ends out so that would be the actual story right the way that the New York Times played this and the way that the reporters tweeted this out was that the trump administration was on the verge of generating all the ventilators overnight tomorrow and they just decided to billion dollars is too much and people on twitter like okay. Hold on a second. We're spending six trillion dollars and you can't find one billion dollars to provide ventilators. That's not what's happening here. It sounds like GM couldn't even guarantee they were going to produce the ventilators. It sounds like they didn't even know they're gonNA produce seventy five hundred ventilators and so the government female went back and opened up the contract and said okay. Well let's get some competitive bids in here longtime emergency managers if FEMA are working with military officials to sort through the competing offers and federal procurement procurement rules while under pressure to give president trump something to announce with all of that said. President trump got himself in a little bit of hot water yesterday. Because he suggested that we don't actually need forty thousand or thirty thousand ventilators. He said you go into major hospital sometimes and they will have to ventilators and all of a sudden they're saying can we order thirty thousand ventilators people in the media again fulminating over president trump. Saying that there's been no information. That trump is actually denying New York. What it needs CUOMO's calling him up and saying I need thirty thousand Ben thirds trump. Sakata believe you used to they? They're giving them all the ventilators they can get their hands on. I mean Cuomo has said that at this point as far as where this is all going Dr Anthony Out. She did say yesterday. We're not going to work by Easter. And there's no information to suggest the world back at work by Easter. That is very likely I mean that'd be April twelfth. It's already march twenty seventh. We're likely not to hit the peak. According to any study until around Easter that is the most likely time when we hit the peak number of cases in the United States? According sort of the pandemic the pandemic studies the pandemic methodologies that are being applied. Here's Dr Anthony Fauci saying. No Easter is a little bit optimistic. I think the president was trying to do it was making aspirational projection to give people some hope. But he's listening to us when we say we really got to reevaluate it. In real time and any decision we make has to be based on the data. I mean you know the numbers that you showed when you have a situation when the cases today compared to tomorrow is increased dramatically and then the next day's entries grammatically. That's no time to pull back okay. And I think that everybody gets that right. Trump was expressing an optimistic date when he said April twelfth was not saying. We're definitely open by Easter. But you know to have your eye on. The ball is when we reopened that. That is a good thing now. It's time for a little bit of good news. So president trump yesterday interview on Sean Hannity's Fox News program and he suggested that he thinks the mortality rate for this thing is well below one percent now just a few weeks ago. That was promoting. You weren't allowed to say that all right just a few weeks ago if you said this. They claim that you're downplaying the virus they said that no. Who is saying it's three percent? They're saying that it's four percent in some areas. Look in Italy where it's eight percents or nine percent. The reality is it probably blow on percent right likely. The death rate on this thing is the mortality rate is below one percent in may be well below one percent again we had on a doctor from Stanford University yesterday and he suggests on the radio show and he suggested that this thing might look a lot more like actual influenza death rates than it looks like SARS or mirrors which is likely as I say before. I think that the best data suggested that is the case. Here's president trump. Saying I think the mortality rate is well below one percent. One thing that I can say that it's really good. The mortality rate is much much better in our way than I was. Then people were thinking at the beginning. Because you're hearing three four five percent and now with all of the testing and all of the things you see the people who die you take a look at the people you know. I think you're talking about very significantly under one percent and I think that's a tremendous tremendous thing and he's right about this so again if you said this a few weeks ago if you said that the death rate looked a lot more like flu and a lot less like SARS or mirrors. Then you're considered a denier is one of the problems with fast-developing. Scientific Consensus is very often. They are happening before. You actually have the data in and by the Way Anthony. Fauci was saying this like in late February and February twenty eighth. There was a piece that he wrote along with Robert Redfield. Who's one of the heads of the CDC and Clifford Lane and he wrote this? It was it was accessed last on March. Twenty six twenty twenty an in that article. He suggested that the best data suggest the overall clinical consequences of covered nineteen mail to be more akin to those veer seasonal influenza which has a case fatality rate of approximately zero point one percent or a pandemic influenza similar to fifty seven nine hundred fifty seven nine hundred sixty eight th. There's actually called the Hong Kong flu in. Nineteen fifty seven rather than a disease similar to SARS or mirrors which case fatality rate of nine to ten and thirty six percent respectively. So this is actually been a fairly well known scientific consensus. It sounds like for several weeks. Is that this thing is far less deadly than originally thought. But if you said this in the media then you were labeled a denier okay. Well the good news about that is that means that when we see vast swaths of people getting this thing yes some of those people are going to die but Lincoln. Three or four percents. And if you get it the chances that you're going to die of it unless you are vulnerable prior unless you're elderly unless you have a pre existing condition are pretty low now again. That doesn't mean that on an absolute level league hit just the way stats works. You may be the one right okay. So this is why everybody should still be you know concern but if you if you're just taking a lottery and the rates are point one percent like influence and that means that one out of every thousand people is going to die of acquiring this thing right you acquire coronavirus you'd I that is one out of every thousand people if you're a point one percent while if you're the one it doesn't matter what the rate was if you're the one you're right it's one hundred percent right but if you are if you are just taking your odds it makes a very big difference if somebody said to you you have a you have. We're going to put on your head and now you have to pick one marble in. There's a thousand marbles. One of them is black. The other nine hundred ninety nine white and and if you pick the black one you're going to die you'd feel a lot more confident in picking the marbles than you would if it were ten times that right if there were one hundred black marbles in there or if they're even ten black marbles in their out of out of a thousand so that is some actual good news and it does raise the question as to whether the lockdown measures that have been taken are actually the most effective and by the way. I'm not the only person who's been asking that. I mean Andrew. Cuomo is asking that he Andrew Cuomo the governor of New York. He said maybe we shouldn't have done a total shutdown. Maybe this wasn't actually the policy. Maybe maybe we were over the top and how we did this entire thing now. I think a hard stop was necessary because we didn't have the data at that point but as the data comes in we're going to have to reassess this reassessment in just one second but the the kind of new fangled consensus is that the most catastrophic studies here are overstated. The kind of estimates that huge numbers Americans are gonNA say hundreds of thousands of Americans are gonNA die. That's probably a wild overestimate Deborah Brooks. Who's leading up the corona virus effort on behalf of the administration? She she basically lectured the media yesterday. Saying you guys keep suggesting that is used beds are gonNA run out that everybody's going to be sharing a ventilator that there's going to be masked death in the streets cats and dogs living together at the end of the world and Deborah Brooks. Who's well respected okay? She has served in administrations both Republicans and she said this. Yesterday members of the media went nuts. They're very upset about this. How could Deborah Brooks Chide media for citing the worst case scenario statistics? How could she do that and she was like well? Because those probably aren't gonNA materialize. Maybe should actually give some nuanced information. Here's Debra just tearing into the media yesterday fees for this reassurance of people around the world to wake up this morning and look at people talking about creating. Dnr situations do not resuscitate situations for patients. There is no situation in the United States right now that warrants that kind of discussion you can be thinking about it in a hospital. Certainly many hospitals talk about this on a daily basis but to say that to the American people to make the implication that when they need a hospital bed. It's not gonna be there or when they need that ventilator. It's not gonNA be there. We don't have an evidence of that right now. Okay so that is a pretty stunning statement. The media keeps saying as I say they keep saying the worst case scenario. We'RE GONNA run out of beds. Icu beds won't be any won't be any hospital beds. We're not gonNA have any ventilators you're GONNA go into. The hospital is going to look like Italy within the shuttle. You off into a hallway somewhere where you choke for breath and then die right and and books like Guys you might WanNa wait on penalty. It's not just Albert's is not just Deborah Brooks Bill blasio right. Who's been it's panic-stricken as any public leader in America truly made Bill De Blasio came out today and he said you know you guys keep talking about this protective gear shortage for healthcare workers in New York and it doesn't exist. He said there's a lot of fear. I don't blame any healthcare professional. Look what they're having to deal with. He says the truth is we have again the supplies for this week and next week we have to make sure every hospital's getting them to their extraordinary. Roic medical personnel. But we've but they do exist right. He so the by the way Chris Andrew. Cuomo again said the same thing. Andrew Cuomo said we do have the personal protective equipment in New York. But if you watched the media it's all nurses and doctors wearing trash bags shortage of medical equipment. Everybody is going to die in the hospital after being coughed on by a patient with corona virus. Everyone's GonNa Shove later. We're GONNA have to convert the CPAP machines. Mass Casualties Brook said. We REASSURED AFTER MEETING WITH COLLEAGUES NEW YORK. There are still ICU. Beds remaining there is still significant over a thousand or two thousand ventilators. That have not been used yet. She is she said. Stop exaggerating this thing. She says you could be thinking about it in a hospital. Certainly many hospitals talk about it on a daily basis. But to say that to the American people to make the implication that when there's a hospital but it's not gonna be there we don't have evidence should there's no reality on the ground where we can see that sixty to seventy percents of Americans are going to get infected in the next eight to twelve weeks. I just WanNa be clear about that. So when people say like a huge percentage of Americans will be infected or have been infected. That may happen in the future but not necessarily right now gained by the way. I Trust Dr Deborah Brooks more than I trust the people at the New York Times and until five seconds ago. People at the New York Times Sandwich Trust Brooks or not trump. So which is guys you know what I'm saying is replicating what she said and I'm quoting voucher and I'm quoting Burns and yet if you if you quote them now this is controversial. Like Burke started trending on twitter yesterday for having the temerity to point out that people are are getting panic stricken about this and that the media are deliberately stoking the panic which would like again best best data suggest that there will be a lot of people who die from this. We don't have the data. I mean this has been my constant complaint. We don't have the data from the government from the federal government as to how many ventilators they actually think we're going to need what are the prior's what are the inputs in that model. If it's bad data in its bad data out how many ventilators we are going to need that. We don't already have has leaders are going to be employed. How much New York City system is going to be overwhelmed? Are there outlined systems where people can be shifted out of hospital beds? This is happening by the way in New York City. People are being moved out of beds. That are not ice. You just kind of normal hospital beds. And they're being moved to other sort of medical centers so we can make or the JAVARD center is being converted for normal hospital beds. Right you had a surgery two weeks ago and you're still recovering from the surgery but you need ICU. Care so we're converting over a lot of the beds that are in hospitals where he can have better treatments. And we're taking. We're sending a positive Hotel rooms and stuff for people who are just sort of in recovery but all you need is an ivy which are all that stuff is being done in real time and again there are still serious questions to be asked about the models that are being applied in the first place right. The Netherlands has been applying completely different models according to Science magazine Martin answering and Kupfer Schmidt writing they say with cove in nineteen modeling takes on life and Death. Important they say. The Netherlands has so far chosen a software set of measures than most western European countries. It was late to close at schools in restaurants. They didn't order a full walk down in a march seventeenth speech. Prime Minister Mark Rutte rejected working endlessly to contain the virus and shutting down the country completely instead he opted for controlled spread while making sure. The health system isn't swamped with cove in nineteen patients which by the way is sort of the South Korean model kind of he called on the public to respond to respect the government's expert expertise on how to thread that needle. The predictions put out by Jaakko. Walinga whose computer. Simulations are being used by the National Institute for Public Health and the environment over in the Netherlands. His simulations predict a number of infected people needing hospitalization will taper off as of next week so there are some pretty stark differences between Donald Rate had the imperial college model. That was suggesting a half million people are going to die if there are no measures taken in the UK. I talked about this yesterday and then yesterday. The head of that study suggested that. Thanks to the lockdown models and then he sort of kind of slid in there and also thanks to the lower death rate. He was predicting now that there might be only twenty thousand people who died in the UK that was not him throwing out his bowels him saying that if we apply like heavy tamp down then we are going to dramatically lower the mets pre traumatic lowering of the curve from five hundred thousand to twenty thousand but even his models are under pressure. Oxford put out a model that suggested the death rates were even lower than that. The Netherlands is put models suggesting that this thing is gonNA peak next week. Walinga is confident that the number of new infections caused by each person. No control measures are taken is just over two. He trusts data showing that three. To six days elapsed between the moment someone is infected and the time they start to infect others will linger says he is least confidence about the susceptibility of various age groups but he also suggests that we're not going to be overwhelmed in in the Netherlands. Okay again there's that every case is going to be worse case like Italy or Spain but the evidence that every case is going to be like Italy or Spain is just not there raise is not there at this point maybe it will be maybe it will be. We keep hearing minutes about to happen in New York City. That's why I say the tsunami may be coming. We just don't know because it's it's hard to know whom to believe. The stories seems to be changing on a daily basis like the the media are not particularly trustworthy in their tone and tenor. They're bringing you best available information but so much of it is anecdotal the New York Times. Every day is printing stories about a doctor or a nurse. Who says we're being overwhelmed hospital and then you go to the hospital administration and the hospital administration like now. We're we're we're okay. We're stretched and restrain but we're handling it by the way even in Italy. New Corona virus cases are actually slowing according to Harland in Stephanie O. Petralli over at the Washington Post Italy's nationwide lockdown showing the first small signs of pay off. The number of corona virus cases is still rising but at the lowest day on pace since the outbreak began. Who calls the slowdown encouraging the health? Chief in the hardest hit region says there's light at the end of the tunnel. Italy was the first Western country to contend with a mass outbreak and order lockdown. Now they're trying to figure out how long the restrictions could last but the bottom line is that even Italy which has been overwhelmed is starting to tamp down and and and move move beyond the day to day increases in the virus all of which is a a very very good thing by president. Trump spoke yesterday by the way about the resources that are being applied in the United States. As we're we're shipping tons of resources like people are pretending that were getting masks out to people who are not getting personal protective equipment out to be not true. Here's president trump at a press conference yesterday talking about the numbers of resources being shipped all over the country. Today FEMA has shipped over nine million n ninety five masks. Twenty million facemasks three point. One million face shields nearly six thousand ventilators two point six million gowns. Fourteen point six million gloves and we're sending more every day and we've got tremendous amounts of equipment coming in so again the notion that the federal government is doing nothing. It's just not true and that that is a real media bias. I'M GONNA get more media bias in just one second. President Trump said last night on Hannity that hospitals are actually being set up in New York City. Resources are being brought to bear until this is the panic in other words may be over it. Maybe it's not but maybe overstated a Deborah Brooks who. I trust a lot more than than your time suggesting that the panic is overstated. I trust her more than I trust the New York Times. The doctor felt she has not made any public statements. So far as I'm aware that all of the systems in New York are going to be completely overwhelmed definite streets. We're going to have to choose between patients young patients. This is going to be Italy. Here's president trump yesterday said we're building hospitals in New York. We're building four hospitals for medical centers and many other things we've developed and sent thousands of Thousands of ventilators. And hopefully they gotta do well so again. Resources are being brought to bear and this does raise the question. Okay so if we have raised as I've said all along if we have flattened the Kurbanov and we have raised that wind medical resources. Enough that the line now clears the flatten curve. Then we have to start having conversations about how to get back to work and maybe that is not applied on an even basis across the United States because not every place is a hotspot center of this outbreak in New York City. A hotspot center is the Moines Iowa right the l. a. So far has been really trailing New York is La exactly the same as New York mean. Major cities are going to be the epicenters of this stuff. But how about outlying rural areas are we seeing mass death in the rural areas? Which by the way is where you would expect to see now steph. Considering hospital resources are far less tons of counties in the United States. That don't have a single hospital. Maybe neighboring counties that have the hospital but rural outlying areas. They don't actually have the medical resources being brought to bear. But you're not seeing mass death in those areas so in one second we're GONNA get to the question of when we reopened. Because what you're going to see. It's pretty incredible. As that Andrew Cuomo and Donald Trump are basically saying the same thing and Donald trump getting his ass kicked by the media and the and and meanwhile Andrew was getting his ass kissed by the media. Trump was getting his ass kicked and Cuomo is getting his ass kissed and they're saying exactly the same thing about how reopened this thing. How we how we open this thing back up. And that is. Because the media's desire for a binary narrative in which president trump is responsible for every cruel ill of the United States and trump is sitting there with his arms crossed putting on the trump frown and saying to people that can give ventilators and even care leg ventilators bad. That's not happening. He and Cuomo are saying almost identical things and the media is treating them as though they're saying things that are separated by one hundred eighty degrees. So the why and get to that in one second I. It is indeed that glorious time of the week when a shoutout to a daily wire subscriber. Today it's Tiller on instagram. He knows what it takes to get through long. Workweek in the Tiller is sporting an American worker trucker. How while holding the world's greatest beverage vessels in front of an eye chart that hilariously reads Epstein. Did Not kill himself. It's true if you can see the post caption reads making parts for the Apache helicopter. Can Be exhausting for. 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Newsom out in my home state of California and Andrew. Cuomo was late to the game right. He has shifted his. He has shifted his narrative somewhat rebuild. Blasios saying we need a full shutdown and not doing a full shutdown and then five minutes later like you know what maybe we need. A full shutdown. Well now Andrew. Cuomo saying maybe. I shouldn't have done a total shutdown. Maybe we should have done this in parts. We had to do what we had to do on sort of a catch. Us CATCH CAM basis. Which at least he's honest about that. I I think the real reason. Cuomo is getting high marks is because in these TV pressures. He seems to be authentic and honest. Which again is all the media care about. It's all performance art for the media but in any case Andrew Cuomo says maybe we shouldn't have done a total shutdown which is weird because when trump says this sort of thing gets ripped up and down what we did was. We closed everything down That was our public health. Strategy just closed all businesses. All workers young people people short people told people every school. Close everything if you rethought that or had time to analyze that public health strategy. I don't know that you would say quarantine everyone. I don't even know that that was the best public health policy. Then there's Cuomo acknowledging full on. Then maybe we should've considered other public health policies and this is one of the problems in the middle of a panic which this basically made for good reason the easiest thing to do is try to hit somebody with his hit the policy with a blunt instrument right. That's what this this giant bailout. Package was stimulus. But whatever you WANNA call. It really isn't the bail really isn't even a stimulus. It's more like a shoring. Bill that is hitting hitting a button with a blunt instrument is taking a hammer and hitting a nail and the no maybe tiny in Hammarby huge and the same thing is true with sort of lockdown thing. As I say. I'm not anti lock down. I'm just saying that as more data comes out. We need to seriously reconsider. Exactly how we go about getting back to our daily business and how we go about getting back to. I say that people rip me up and down. You're not taking this. You're not taking this seriously enough. Andrew Cuomo the exact same thing and people are like. Oh man what a genius I mean. Well like he's really being serious about this thing. Here's Andrew Cuomo saying over time. Maybe some people can go back to work. Well how do you modify the public health strategy to make it smaller from a public health point of view but also starts to get you back to work? Younger people can go back to work. People who've resolved can go back to work people who Once we get this antibody test show that they had the virus and they resolved can go back to work. That's how I think you do it. It's not going to either do public health. Or we're going to do economic development restarting. We have to do both okay. President Trump said exactly the same thing yesterday like exactly the same thing almost word for word so president trump yesterday said listen. We can ope parts open up parts of the country. We're going to need to do that. On a case by case basis in fact the trump administration issued guidelines for classifying US counties by Corona Virus. Risk which makes perfect sense. This is an enormous country. Okay the risk in Sweden is not the same as the risk and France is not the same as the risk in Italy. All those countries are classifying their corona virus risks differently by the way the UK. Quietly late last week. Downgraded the the deadliness of the virus itself right even in the UK where they're deeply worried. They called it a high risk disease. They changed that very quietly late last week. Okay but it's being treated differently all over. The continent is being treated differently over the world. The United States is a very very large chunk of territory to suggest that we have to treat corona virus. Exactly the same way in Salt Lake City. Utah as we do in. New York City is really kind of ridiculous. And the trump administration pointed this out right. According to Rebecca Ball House reporting for the Wall Street Journal. The trump administration is planning to issue guidelines categorizing counties across the nation as high risk medium risk low risk to help state and local authorities. Decide whether to bolster or relax social distancing measures instead to intended to combat. The Corona virus in a letter to governor is on Thursday. President Trump said the administration's growing testing capabilities would enable it to publish in consultation with public health officials and scientists criteria for classifying counties by risk in the hopes that some parts of the country may be able to return to work sooner than others. He wrote this. New information will drive the next phase in our war against this invisible enemy as we enhanced protection against the virus. Americans across the country are hoping it will soon arrive when they can resume their normal economic social and religious lives and this was immediately. This was immediately seized on by the media as trouble from doesn't care about humans. He wants the multi the ease at the same things Cuomo. He's just saying we're going to have to treat different populations differently based on where they are and what the risk is to them. Why is that in any way unreasonable? It's one hundred percent reasonable. Every single major world leader is considering exactly that thing in a briefing later on Thursday. Trump said he intended to start the process of relaxing social distancing guidelines pretty soon said the administration might Taylor guidelines to specific parts of the country. Are PEOPLE WANNA go back to work? I'm hearing it loud and clear from everybody. They don't want to sit around and wait. So here's president. From yesterday. He had a couple of things again. This is very much in line. With what Andrew Cuomo is saying. It's just the when trump says it's bad because he's an orange person and when Andrew Cuomo says it it's very good because he doesn't like the orange person here's president trump yesterday saying we're going to have to think about opening a parts of the country but again we're going to piecemeal basis the end result. Is We gotta get back to work? And I think we can start by opening up certain parts of the country you know farm-belt certain parts of the Midwest other other places but I think that You as an example you go to Texas. There are places in Texas Great Governor Greg Abbott. There are places in Texas where you know. This is a tremendously big state. That aren't impacted by this. So I think we can open up sections squadrons and then just keep keep them going until the whole country's opened up but we have to open up to people. WanNa get back to work. They want to get back. Oh no I mean that's the wow I mean he he said that Texas is really big state which it is okay. Take it if you're gonNA drive across Texas Width Wise Horizontally Helen. Would that take a cold? Colin's from Texas that that would take you. I'm taking fifteen hours. Probably fifteen hours rhyming. They'll take forever. It is a huge state of course and by the way. If you've ever been to Texas you're driving for long stretches of territory where there's like a house a cow. The the notion that we're going to treat you know some podunk town in Texas the same. He's Dallas or Houston is obviously absurd. Trump isn't saying anything wrong. There people were like well that means he's going to open up the entire he's telling he's encouraging everybody in New York to go chase stadium and hang out with each other and make out. He's not doing any of that stuff. What are you talking about saying the same kind of stuff as everybody else right? Trump says by the way that social distancing will remain after corona virus much of the guidelines like shaking hands. Maybe people aren't going to be shaking hands anymore. You know Tony had mentioned to me. Tony FAO cheese. The other day that I don't think he was would be too upset with the concept of not shaking. Has He was saying that. The fluid cut down the regular flu. Cut By quite a bit if we didn't do that if we didn't shake hands into of which you know you have a lot of deaths and a lot of problems with that too when we're open as soon as we open that doesn't mean you're gonNA stop with guidelines. You'll still try to distance yourself. Maybe not to the same extent because you have to lead a life well again. Well what is he saying that so wrong I mean he's he's explicitly saying that. Social distancing is good so the New York Times ran a headline yesterday or CNN rather run a headline saying voucher encourages social distancing. Well trump talks about is he. Trump is encouraging social distancing. He's saying maybe we shouldn't shake hands have ran by the way. I'm I'm totally on board with that. I really am like shaking hands. As a general practice is kind of gross. It's you you you are sharing germs with lots of people and that's been true no matter no matter what the point here is that the media coverage of Cuomo who's saying the same stuff as trump is glowing coverage. Trump is very bad but everybody sort of saying the same thing in everybody is also saying underlying all of this that. We're all waiting for more data. So here's the deal. Wait for the data. Let's get all the resources where they need to be in the most. Wait for the data by the end of next week. We're GONNA know an awful lot more. I thought frankly we were GONNA know an awful lot more by the end of this week. I mean given the projections. I thought by by the today by like this Friday. We're going to know whether the health systems we're going to be overwhelmed. It looks like it's lagged bit. Maybe because of this lockdown probably because at least in large part because of the lockdown. But we're GONNA find out by the end of next week certainly by the week after that. We're going to be finding out exactly how bad this thing is going to be. Because by pretty much everybody's estimation early April mid April. You'RE GONNA start to see this thing and start to pick up in terms of tempo and peak and then the question is going to be. Did we have the resources that were necessary on hand? Are we Italy or do we end up just being the UK. Right where again? The the new estimates suggest that the health system will not be overwhelmed now with all of that said the. Democrats are moving swiftly to and make the to try and use crisis in order to push forward even more spending Nancy Pelosi who held up a bill that her own party had hoped negotiate over. The weekend is supposed to vote on this thing today right. The House is supposed to vote on this thing today. Nancy Pelosi says this is just the beginning. We're going to spend even more and more and more and more. We literally are expanding six trillion dollars trillion dollars to put that by way of contrast the entire American economy nearly based about twenty trillion dollars for spending about one third of the entire American economy in like a week. Seriously on on on this thing and Nancy Pelosi but we can spend more. We should always mark and it's a hug really feels like people are very uncomfortable. Just generally people are extremely uncomfortable with not being able to simply go back to their pre existing suppositions about the way the world works and so as quickly as possible people move back into their fighting corners and they wait for the situation to emerge or they can go back to fighting the way that they are used to fighting whenever there's a pandemic whenever there's something brutal the habit on nine eleven whereas a major crisis people get out of their corners for just a minute and they think to themselves okay. How do I help out? My neighbors had we craft a policy that works for right. Now how would you and then as soon as humanly possible? We're not comfortable in that space or comfortable going back to our corners and so you see people like Nancy. Pelosi immediately swivel into green new deal. You See Nancy Pelosi women we need more spending and and you see Republicans. Meanwhile swivel back into their prior. Everybody's swivels back into their practice Nelson. I agree with the Republican. Priors obviously a lot more than the Democrats. But how about this? How about we just wait. I know it's the hardest thing to do is the hardest thing to do in life but we don't have enough data to be jumping on spend trillions more dollars and we also don't have enough data at this point say reopened the American economy wholesale. And I don't think tons of people are saying the ladder. I think a lot of people are saying the former. Here's Nancy Pelosi claiming to spend even more and more and more and more forevermore. We had bigger direct payments in our bill I don't think we've seen the end of direct payments. This is an emergency a challenge to the conscience as well as the budget of our country and every dollar that we spend is an investment in the lives in the livelihood of the American people. We can go bigger especially now. The interest rates are even lower than the at the time at the tax scam. We can go even bigger even bigger. How endlessly what are you just to inflate the currency who's GonNa buy bonds like basically the Democrats are in real time now going to try according Nancy Pelosi Supply Elizabeth Warren's modern monetary theory which suggests that you can just float debt in just interminably just forever? You can just continue to take out debt debt debt. Well that there's an appetite for the debt. Who the hell has the money to pay for the debt right now? You think Britain's going to be buying American bonds on mass. How about China? You think they're gonNA be buying American by the way breaking news. China had started reopening. All of their movie theaters weirdly. They are now closing all of their movie theaters again. So what do you think you think? The coronavirus has done in China. I think we've been given accurate statistics about China. I think not. I think not so all of this happy. Talk Nancy Pelosi. Let's go back to our priors. That's completely removed. Economy like Bernie would want like how about this? How about we deal with the crisis at hand we all get out of those corners and we deal with it and then we start figuring out how we go back to a life. That happened before because I'll tell you what right now. Life is a lot worse than it was three weeks ago. A lot worse than it was four weeks ago. Have we set our sights on? Let's get back to where we were four weeks ago before you decide that you want to fundamentally transform the American economy along your your ridiculous big government lines. How about that? Let's start there okay. Time for a quick thing that I hate speaking of people who are who are seeking to go back to their priors. There is this bizarre bizarre attempt every time there's a national crisis by local leaders to shift the responsibility onto the national leaders. I recall this happening during Hurricane Katrina when mayor rain again. Who is the mayor of New Orleans did not evacuate the city when he was told that he probably should evacuate the city and then the city was swamped and then he blamed? President Bush and suggests that President Bush was a racist and that was Bush's fault that the resources weren't available even though he was the mayor and it really was his responsibility to clear the thing. I remember that I I think the the Government Times Kathleen Blanco. I remember. She said sort of the same thing. It's always the the impetus is always local leaders to try and blame national leadership for your own failures well this week. The New Orleans mayor blamed President Trump for not shutting down Mardi Gras. The mayor's name is Cantrell and she suggested that president trump is to blame for the city of New Orleans not shutting down Mardi Gras here. She was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer. You're saying no one from the federal government came to you and urge you to at least cancel or postpone Mardi Gras. That's absolutely correct. And not only that. It was backed up with the response of our national leader When it's not taken seriously at the federal level it's very difficult To transcend down to the local level in making these decisions What what her name is. Control the mayor of New Orleans. Now last I checked. She's the mayor of New Orleans. Donald trump is not the mayor of New Orleans. You know who's the mayor of Los Angeles? Eric Garcetti not Donald Trump. At least Garcetti isn't out there trying to claim that trump's fault that he allowed the La Marathon to happen like two weeks ago on a Sunday in the middle of a pandemic. I mean this this woman going out there and suggesting that she needed a personal by the way you know what would have happened if trump had called her up and said you know you really should shut down. Mardi gras on the basis of this corona virus pandemic in mid-february. When by the way half the media was so much taking the seriously like at all. We really like vox. Dot Com ran on January. Thirty FIRST ABOUT WHY? This was going to be no worse than the seasonal flu date for her to suggest that trump had called her up and been like I want you. Shutdown MARDI GRAS should've been like Mr President. You can't do that Ray. Like of course that's what you would have said she would. She would have said like. Are you kidding? Why would I shutdown MARDI GRAS? She's the Kate you if you're a local leader in you blue. It's because you blew it. Why would pretending? The president of the United States is some god-like figure who can send from on high in order you to do all the things you're supposed to locally to get same crap from Bill de Blasio near the mayor of a major city. You tried to run for president on the basis of that. It seems to me you should be able to make some local decisions weird because it seems like there's some local leaders who did make some of those local decisions to shut down major public events. Her blaming trump for the outbreak in New Orleans is just like everything is trump's fault or alternatively again everybody's shifting back to their their priors. The New York Times ran a piece today. Called the road. To Corona virus. Hell was paved by evangelicals. The evangelical will get. Let me just ask a question. So the centers of the outbreak that we've seen thus far are China famous. It's huge evangelical Christian Population China. Me Just tons of evangelical over there. It's like it's like a convention of Religious Evangelical Christians over in China Communist atheist country and then Italy again a hugely famous for having tons evangelical that in Italy. Not like. It's the home of the Catholic Church or anything like it's it's all evangelical over in Italy and in the United States New York City where evangelical just swarmed New York City. I know like probably two thirds of the population of New York City's Evangelical of course I'm being a little sarcastic Aaron by little I mean a lot but if you're blaming evangelical for the outbreak of Corona virus by these same people presumably. Who would say that if you say? Chinese viruses very very racist if it on the government of trying to very racist but you blame the Evangelical Evangelical at sitting over here like what that what in the world and US seriously but the New York Times ran this piece anyway because nothing says unifying the country like blaming Evangelical Corona Virus Catherine Stewart. The author of the power worshipers inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. So her her priors are fairly. Well established she says. Donald trump rose to power with the determined. Since of a movement that Denies Science bashes government prioritised loyalty over professional expertise in the current crisis where all reaping what that movement has sewn at least since the nineteenth century when the pro slavery theologian. Robert Lewis. Dabney attack the physical sciences as theories of unbeliev hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism. In the United States today the hardcore of climate deniers is concentrated among people identify as religiously conservative Republicans and some leaders of the Christian nationalist movement like those allied with Cornwall Lions for the steward of creation. Which has denounced environmental science as the cult of the Green Dragon cast environmentalism as an alternative and false theology this denial of science and critical thinking among religious ultra conservatives now haunts the American response to the corona virus crisis What I'm just to point out is anthony. Faucher whose downs next to trump every single day on the podium is is that like an evangelical Christian Science. And how about Deborah Brooks? How `Bout Jerome's the the the Guy Surgeon General that Dr Anne all those guys are evangelical trump trump is listening to people who deny science totally while also recommended what scientists tell them on March fifteenth says this columnist Guillermo Maldonado. Who Calls himself an apostle and hosted. Mr Trump earlier this year at campaign events is at his Miami. Mega Church urged his congregants to show up for worship services. In person you believe God would bring his people to his house to be contagious with the virus. Of course not he said okay. So your best evidence. That trump is following evangelical science deniers. Your best evidence is that a guy who hosted trump at a campaign event earlier this year said a thing now that wow strong evidence New York Times really really doing amazing work over here blaming evangelical for the rise of grown virus religious nationalism. Says this columnists is brought to American politics. The conviction that our political differences are battle between absolute evil and absolute good only rebel leader. Free from the scruples of political correctness can save the righteous from the damned fealty to the causes everything fidelity to the facts means nothing. Perhaps this is why many Christian nationalist leaders greeted the news of the corona virus as an insult to their chosen leader again. I honestly this is so tiresome. It's so unbelievably tiresome in the middle of hand in the middle. How about you put aside your hatred for Evangelical Christians and you just say listen. We're all Americans were all in this together and we are all waiting for the data to come out as opposed to blame. The Christians truly insane truly insane stuff from the New York Times but there you have it the New York. Times doing its best to divide the country with their op-ed page in the middle of a pandemic R- really solid stuff. They're already well. We'll be back here later today to additional hours of content. Otherwise we'll see here on Monday for all of the updates in the meantime tried relaxed this weekend. Try to hang out with your family. If you WANNA do something. Nice for a neighbor find. I've got an elderly neighbor. Can't go out. Try to get them some groceries or something. Call up some friends. Make sure everybody is doing okay. I know there's some blood drives going on so you might want to call your local hospital because I know that there are a lot of young people who can give blood. 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[Unedited] Rebecca Solnit with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

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[Unedited] Rebecca Solnit with Krista Tippett

"Support for on being with KRISTA. Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives a powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves others and the natural world learn more by visiting FETZER DOT Org. I'm KRISTA TIPPETT. Up Next might unedited conversation with Rebecca Solnit. There is a shorter produced version of this as always wherever you found this. Podcast I usually say twas brilliant this lengthy toasted Geyer and gamble in the way. But I suppose Peter Pip Peter Piper. Also pick that what things did look at me because then you're talking directly into the Mike. Look at that chair opposite you okay. Todd actually does a lot of difference. Okay how's that twist repeat after me? Try this People in places of power people in places of power pontificate ponderously emphasize it. It's going to get it but you sound fine at least to me. I'm sure they hear you at the other end of this. Hello yes it is. Yeah Good Morning or afternoon where we're in Minnesota where there's a very significant snow snow fall outside. You probably don't have that in San Francisco. No but we would be very excited and freaked out. We think whether it's when the thermometer strays a few degrees from room temperature I would say Californians have this weather superiority complex. You know it's funny. I read a poem by somebody who moved back to the Midwest. About how like? We don't know anything about frozen ponds. The snow is place in the US. Some people say is Donner pass and so like we have lots of snow. We just are about four hours downhill from Greg. I'm parts of California are do cold and snowy and blizzard and have fantastic ICICLES. But not this part so there. There is a possibility of character-building happening health concern calumny eastern calumny. That we have no moral fiber because you can go out in a t shirt and a jacket every day of the well. I'll just say before we begin. I think you have lots of character. Based on your writing survive. I before we start let me just ask Christie. Do you even need to more levels at all. Are We okay yeah? Do you have any questions for me before we begin? No at I'm looking forward to whatever adventure you lead me on. Good Okay Great. Well as you know as you may know I I like to. I like to talk at the intersection of big ideas in human experience. And you know what we think and also who we are and how we live and one thing I mean you're writing is so beautiful and lush and you. Its large ideas and rich pros and I noticed when I as I as I step in to you that you know people often tend to engage you at this very cerebral level. And so I'm just kind of giving you are want kind of I. I want that cerebral and and the beauty but also the grounding. So does that make sense? That does make sense. And you're right. You know because I read about politics I get treated like just another pundit but there is this constant attempt to kind of connect the political and the personal deep interior life with public life. That's it but in you do that in your writing and somehow I think it may be a little scary too because you're right it's not just. The personal is the deep interior. So let's let's go there. I think it's also that people don't know how to inhabit that space or how to connect those places so they respond to it as readers but the people most of the people who engage me directly like they don't have that framework which is part of why. I'm trying to you know as fast as I can. Shovel provide it And so I I usually start my conversations with an inquiry about the spiritual background of your childhood and however you would define that and you know as I look at the sweep of your writing I see so many elements that that to me are profoundly spiritual along sense of time or robust commitment to hope you you know you describe your childhood in in so many ways one place you know your words use a scrawny battered little kid in a violent house and I. I wonder how you'd think about that. Notion of this virtual back out of your child in it occurs to me that perhaps you know perhaps some of these things are were seated by absence As much as by presence I think that's true and when you ask that question what comes to mind is kind of a map of where most of my childhood took place. I wrote somewhere that I had an inside out childhood because every place was safe but home if you went just just another sort of the backyard. Fence was a quarter horse. Stud farm and dairy farms and open space and the landscape in the animals domestic and wild. Were this huge refuge. In really fed me and encouraged me and there was a sense of community with the non human and so that was a few went north. Even you know just to other side of the fence and beyond just endless open space and oak trees and grasslands and wildlife and then if you went south there was a really great public library and the minute I learned how to read. It was as though he'd been given this huge treasure. Every book was a box I suddenly knew how to open in it. I could meet people go to other worlds go deep in all kinds of ways and I spent my childhood you know in the hills and in the books and those so that was not maybe what people think of conventionally spirituality but they you know that was my company my encouragement my teaching my community Let's lovely yeah. Yeah wonderful I I think I think libraries are some of the most joyful serene places. I mean we don't think about them that way. I don't know how that's changing but like you go in any walk up you their treasures for free. Yeah I often say that if you walked up to people on the street and said what if we held our most beautiful valuable precious treasures in common and let people just take them away with no security and bring them back. People would say on the one hand that's communist plot and on the other hand it would never work but the public library system. Which like my friend Bob Dawson? The photographer has really been celebrating. Is One of the great miracles of this country and sometimes feels like the last democratic space left that invites everyone in and gives them access to the everything that is books now. The online world has people use them that way. So you know. The sweep of your work is Wonderful in its daunting As an interviewer and so but and there's so much I I I do feel like you are a kindred kindred spirit in in some of the big themes that you touch on again and again and develop and so. So I'm I'm gonNA focus in on some of those and I and this is all by way of saying that there's so much we won't touch that you've written about and thought about but I actually thought I would start with I just love to have a conversation with you about this piece. That was in Harpers Not that long ago About I can't remember what the title of it. That's what you know I. It was extensively about why about the choice not to have children Mother it's called the mother of all question mother of all questions and And you know part of what you were reflecting on or jumping off point for. Your reflection was was the fact that people are so curious about that and in fact so presumptuous about it And and you know I think you make the case very quickly It's a valid and life giving choice not to have children but but in fact the peace like so much of you do what you write becomes a reflection on kind of the vast expanse of what it what it is to be alive. And so I wanna just read some of my favorite SP- passages from that and just kind of have a conversation with you about it. Does that sound? Okay not sounds great. All right so So there's this you know you said people lock onto. Motherhood is a key to feminine identity in part from the belief that children are the best way to fulfil your capacity to love even though the list of monstrous ice hearted mothers is extensive but there are so many things to love besides once-off one's own offspring so many things that need love so much other work love has to do in the world I think so much about this about would that we use that essential word love in such a narrow way in our public life. And you've said it so so beautifully there I feel like something. I'm constantly trying to open up for myself. I and everybody else. I hope is just how big we can be. I have feel like so much. This culture defines us as private consumers who only joys and satisfactions come from material goods and the kind of stuff you talk about in therapy kind of sex family and I feel like we have souls and we are citizens that there's this public life engaged with a broader community with ideals and the future with history that's part of who we are and then the soul is something that connects in these deeper ways. That go go beyond. Sometimes I think of it as a horizontal and vertical axis and we get so reduced by this definition of who we are in which were just you know consumers who slow whole whole life takes place inside the family home and you know what that's not. That's not who we are and here Sunday. I wrote about in my book on disaster. Were suddenly people got thrown into this chaos. But also into community and found often profound meaning and fulfillment in a very surprising way in the midst of death and horror and ruined. So yes. So that's really about just you know and the piece is not in any way like Oh people who don't have kids or better than people who do or motherhood is a dead Anderson because you know mothers get shafted too by the way they're defined in limited and told that there if you do this. You can't do that. And just by the intrusiveness woman face so it's not either or it's just wanting to ask better questions about what we want of life maybe better questions than happiness because happiness is kind of A fool's errand and for me. It's like a fleeting condition. That g you know on it's kind of the rabbit. The dog never catches in some ways. But we're always being encouraged to chase and IT'S I. Can we ask other questions about what makes our lives rewarding? Can we ask does have meaning? Does it have connection does have purpose? Does it have dignity? Can we just you know? And so that's really yet started. This is a piece. The mother of all questions. It started with the questions. Woman get asked that are really reductive that say like. Oh you're a biological unit with a foregone destiny and you're either fulfilling or not fulfilling that destiny and everyone who fulfills destinies happy except that when you look around you know which you can do for about a millisecond. You can see lots of people who have spelled as and children and material goods who are not rapturously blissed out at all times. It's like the dumbest thing in the whole world to even say that and yet we're constantly told like this is the recipe for happiness you have to pursue it. Yeah and if you do and you know and some of the happiest people I know are Celibate Priests it's as much a recipe for complexity as anything we do right would which may have happiness in it along with a lot of other things but also. I think you know this larger point. You make that that that we that we limit the capacity to love really to Aeros and anti-family Yeah right and you say you know. I love this phrase. There's so much other work love has to do in the world. I just feel like that's so worth just putting out in public life and reflecting on. Yeah and it's partly you know. We have over overemphasize emphasize this very specific zone of love. It's as though we've we've sort of hyper mapped obsessed about Joan lights on it and things and then there's this whole other territory of relationships to you know to the larger world in particular into public life to you know. I hang out with a lot of climate activists. And there's this profound love they have for the natural world for the future for justice and and that really shapes lives and gives them tremendous meaning and it benefits all of us that they have this than that. This motivates them because they're acting on behalf of all of this and we should call that love and we should link at love right. It's a passionate absolutely absolutely. It's just you know it's ferocious in. Its protest the way that mother love can be and if anything's GONNA save the planet it's that love and it's like but mostly we don't even acknowledge that it exists so we have these blank spots on the map of who we are and I want to try and fill those zoning encouraged people to go there to recognize that actually their lives can't take place are already taking place there and That this will give them this bigger sense of self. Yeah so so. Here's another In this follows nicely. It's connected. You know there's another passage of your writing that. I love from that piece. We we talk about open questions but there are closed questions. Two questions to which there is only one right answer as least as at least as far as the interrogatory terra. Gator is concerned. One of my goals in life you write is to become truly rabbinical to be able to answer closed questions with open questions to have the internal authority to be a good gate. Gatekeeper WHEN INTRUDERS. Approach into at least remember to ask. Why are you asking that so so I wanted to kind of take that opened up and take it apart. Open it up so so I I think you know. I think we are right now. Talking about one of those in fact often closed questions in public life about where love takes place in what it is to be a woman That I wonder just talk to me a little bit about in public life and economic life. You know closed questions you see and open questions you you want to submit. That are on your quoting. Okay sorry tend to rob doing too. Yeah the closed questions or questions in which only one right answer and you know in this piece began. We rearrange it a little bit but it really began with an utterly jetlag condition. I was on stage in front of hundreds of people being interviewed at the hay-on-wye Literary Festival in Britain and the awful men and I have written a book about hope which is about exactly that kind of public life and larger than. We're GONNA talk as we imagine good The way we imagined history center and SI- come up on stage and I'm not not at full strength because the jet like and this guy just cross examined me about why I don't have children and I try and just brush it off and he won't. You won't give up on it. It's like and it's it's interesting thing. We're of course it's not only a close question but it's an attempt to punish and humiliate me for thinking that. I'm a mind sander not a mind. You're just a body so it's also behind that question. Is there some idea that that you only have hope for the future? If you give if you give birth to a next generation I mean. I don't even understand the the connection. He was making. Yeah he wasn't bothering to make a connection. You're you're female. You're just a breeding unit. You failed to breed you. Therefore you're you're probably failure on incomprehensible for not following the only destiny of meaning for you and it's you know and when I describe it like that Zeno justifiable homicide comes to mind it You know and it was really really awful but it was also an as this crazy thing where you know if I hadn't been socially conditioned to feel like well maybe I should be doing these things I would have felt a little bit less. Just browbeaten by it. So that's a classic close question where it's like. I you know powerful social assumptions about what you're supposed to be and only one right answer and do you know we've got you cornered and the rabbinical thing as to rabbinical Yay. Yeah you know. There's all these rabbi jokes. I love and just rabbi story in general where you answer questions with questions and I didn't really say the two things that I should have said one of which is why are you asking that When are we gonNA talk about my book or what my I had? This adorable publicist. She was in her twenties and war. Lots of pink and Fluffy Angora things in very girly and when I got off stage. Steam was coming out of her ears. And she gave me this steely eyed glance. And just said he would never say that to a Man. And that's actually what has got me away from. Some of those questions is when you remind people AK- Oh yeah this is gender in the worst possible way so you know but so but it is a larger question you know so that was a particularly nasty experience of it but there is this underlying assumption. I have younger friends who are still being badgered by their families and children. Yeah why when are you going to you must? It's your own. You know the sense that there's only one destiny and do you know. Of course there's innumerable destinies and there's people who have so many kinds of deep in loving relationships that are not parent child just as well as parent child relationships that are not deep and loving on which. I'm also an expert but yeah so you know so so it's just like I just want people to be more imaginative about what what shape life can have. Women's lives in. Portugal came up. Because I'm a woman get browbeaten in the way women do but for everybody you know and I think part of it is. I grew up around gay culture and now people have same sex marriages but I grew up around people. For whom all those sumptious about what dimensions life would have you know. Weren't available to them in some ways and who built lives often that were joyous and deeply connected in meaningful an exuberant in courageous and dino. And that's that's also right has been a really important part of my life just as a San Franciscan even though you know they get involved with men. Say Oh so I wanna ask you and I WANNA make sure I understand this so you say to have to at least remember to ask in those moments. Why are you asking that and and you just you just refer to that as parley away to distance it like a technique in a way to to pull your pull back into yourself and reassert your agency but I also wondered if you know? We're in this moment in public life where there's just so much anger in the room. You know in the public room and I I think it. It becomes daunting almost unthinkable to ask or to imagine asking You know why are you asking that in a in a spirit of curiosity so I I dunno. I wondered also if that that question is kind of a tool for a tap root of empathy or at least curiosity or at least civility What's also this is not what I expected to say. In the interview. But interviews or vary a symmetrical and the best ones I say are like waltzing with a really great lead dancer. Who makes you a better dance? Where the worst? The worst ones are are kind of like forced interogations. And why and it's interesting because there's often an unspoken rules that do you know you can ask me anything. I can't as to ask back. I've listened to some really extraordinary interviews with Terry Gross. Where for example the rock star Nick Cave asked her a question back and she got flustered. And it's really about leveling the playing field in some way where it's like. Oh you want interrogate my life. Let's and tear. Just interrogate your motives or your self awareness for a second here. So I think it could actually be very disruptive and it is something as somebody. Who Do you know has a sort of default good girl sidewards like? Oh Yeah I don't have to obey can disrupt when things go kind of off off kilter like that you know. I'm still working on rabbinical but I have had moments and the piece ends with one of those moments. That was actually really fun for me because I was like. Oh Yeah I'm on it for this one and we'll say just described that. Oh I was as as funny all my worst interview moments in Britain story Britain or or maybe not sorry that I wasn't jet-lagged for a change which was very exciting as as a few years ago on the tour for the faraway nearby. A really personal book which you know what? I write about my suffering and not about how awesome parts of my life are. Because it's like you know I'm not out to. I don't think how awesome my parts of my life are is actually that useful for people or that interesting and I am not into gloating you know. But it's it's a book about suffering in a much larger sense and kind of what you do about it. And that's your mother mother Alzheimer's and suffering a big piece. Yeah going on. It's about a lot of things but that's at the center of it. Is that my my mother. Forgetting her stories and the way stories can damage as well. Save us the ways we need to become the storyteller of our lives but so I'm onstage in this various so far as I can tell upper class. British woman at the very plummy accent like her opening. Gambit is so you've been wounded by humanity have fled to the landscape for refuge. And she's basically saying like you're a total loser aren't you you pathetic specimen and and it's this thing where so much what this book is about like. Of course I have suffering. That's sort of the human condition and my suffering is not special or exceptional. I'm not on death row. I'm not a Syrian refugee. You know I'm I and and I'm interested in it but I don't think it makes me special or unusual so this time you know I just turned to the audience and said have any and having an American accent felt like it really helped the comedy here. I said have any of you ever been wounded by humanity and the audience cracked up and I was like okay. I'm not I'm in control of this interview. We could go someplace here and And it was fine after that but it was so funny. This kind of like I'm GonNa cut you out of the herd with this closed question. About how pathetic you are and I felt like I say I salvage that one. It's a crazy thing you know. I'm a writer which means I like to have a couple hours to a couple of years to turn something around in my head and I most articulate through my fingers in a room alone and the result of doing. Doing that has been that. I'd become this sort of public figure who has tricks temporaries all the time in public which felt I like a kind of punishment and then just became this completely separate skill I had to try and master or at least become competent at the you know the speaking voice relation the relationship to the audience for different people. It is really. It's a completely separate thing and spoken and written or two different languages and most people are at home and spoken but not in written and I'm kind of the other way around on had to get used to this crazy public life that descended upon me. Yeah but but it's also fitting I think Because you you you have a passion for public life you you you and you know a lot of the themes that run through your work the things you care about I WANNA say they're kind of outliers in terms of what we what we know how to talk about in public certainly in intellectual circles right and so so maybe let's talk about hope because I think hope is one of those And sorry did you a no no go ahead. I I can talk about hope. Tools I think has also you have a specific question. I WanNa somewhere you write that your fascination with this maybe you you began to articulate your fascination with this when you registered your emotions and the emotions of others in response to the nineteen eighty nine earthquake in San Francisco and and my sense. Is that that the what you how you respond? Who So others responded with? Not perhaps what you would have expected the amazing thing about the nine hundred eighty nine earthquake which was a fairly benign one. It was an earthquake as big as the kind that killed thousands of people last year into Paul and tens of thousands of people and places like Turkey and Mexico City and things like that but partly because we have good infrastructure about fifty people died. A number of people lost their homes. Everybody was shaken up but what was so interesting for me in places where everything was disrupted but very few people were devastated or killed was that people seemed to kind of love what was going on and when I'd ask people up or when it would come up in conversation because for years afterwards around here people would be like A. Where were you at five? Oh two or is it five? Oh Three PM on October Seventeenth Nineteen eighty-nine and people would get this expression that I later ran into when I visited Halifax Nova Scotia after a big hurricane there when I talked and then eventually did a whole book on this mysterious emotion people with light up and like everything. We've been told about disaster by trashy Hollywood disaster movies with Charlton Heston and Tom Cruise. Everything about the news is that you know is that human beings are fragile. Disasters are terrible and why they're terrified because we're fragile or are Morality is also fragile we revert to our best deal. Savage Social Darwinist Hobson Nature and go out raping and looting. Those myths became a secondary disaster worse than the hurricane that hit New Orleans on August. Twenty ninth two thousand and five. Because that's why it was. The city was shut off turned into a prison city. Why the police were shooting black people in the back why people were not allowed to evacuate and supplies were not allowed in while people were dying of exposure and lack of medication in etc. And you know so that was part of where I got hopeful and then also in a larger sense I was just talking about the faraway nearby one of the things. I'm really interested in is. What are the stories we tell? And what are the consequences? Are there other ways of telling other ways other stories that don't get told Yes yes and hopefulness is really for me is not like is not optimism that everything's GonNa be fine and we can just sit back and that's too much like pessimism? Which is that. Everything's GonNa suck and we can just sit back hope for me. Just means that a Buddhist sense of uncertainty of coming to terms with the fact that we don't know what will happen and that there's maybe room for us to intervene and then we to let go of the certainty. People seem to love even love more than hope and and know that. We don't know what's going to happen. And we live in a very surprising world where nobody anticipated the way the Berlin Wall would fall Arab spring would rise up the impact of occupy Wall Street. You know nobody I. Do you know what Obama was unelectable. Six months before he was elected people. And you know it strikes me also in in your writing about this that Because you describe happening to people even just what happened to? You is not just that that hope unexpected. But that there's a there's a so there's a joy actually not just virtue that people do virtuous things that may not make news But but I wonder as you just described that just then I mean what you said you know in those moments of disaster of crisis We we we come face to face with the reality that that unexpected things will happen. as you said that life is surprising in good ways and bad. That's true but but is there. Is there something life giving even energizing about people actually having to face those bedrock realities in those moments and sometimes there is and we spend a lot of our lives being miserable about things that are either over or haven't happened? Yeah you know it's that and so we're not really in the present and we're worried about our pension plan or you know soaking about the fact that you know. Our Mother didn't love US forty years ago. So you know like we spent on things can go wrong that we worry about all the time. Yeah and there's a way. A disaster throws people into the present and sort of gives them the supersaturated immediacy that also includes a deep sense of connection. It's as though in some gift. You've been given a kind of spiritual awakening where you're close to mortality. In a way that makes you feel more alive. You're deeply and the president can let go of past and future in your personal narrative in some ways you have shared an experience with everyone around you and you often find very direct but also metaphysical sensitive connection to the people you suddenly have something in common with and then oftentimes the people who do the really important work in disasters Which doesn't get talked about much are the neighbors who's GONNA rescue you when you're building rights is when the when the ice storm comes in the power goes out. It's probably going to be the neighbors. People also find a meaningful work in the sense of purpose that they don't get making widgets and the widget factory you know or shuffling papers in their bureaucracy and so that they get all these they get all these things and it is not to say that disasters are good things but the you know disasters are terrible things first of all people die. There's terrible loss and injury people are orphaned in widow and injured and Impoverished but people do often find these other things and so the question is really two things one is. How can we get there without going through a disaster best? The questions in it and I think that is kind of like. It's like this funny way like the the earthquake shakes you awake. And then that's sort of the the big spritual question. How do you stay awake? How do you stay in that deeper? Consciousness of you know that present mindedness that sense of non separation and compassion and engagement and courage which is also a big part of it and generosity. People are not selfish and greedy and yeah yeah and so and then the other question is why has everything we've ever been told about. Human Nature misled us about what happens in these moments. What happens if we acknowledge as I think people in the kind of work that neuro and the Delay Llamas Research Projects and ECK ECONOMISTS? And everybody else are beginning. Say like what if human everything we've been talking about. Human Nature is wrong and we're actually very generous communitarian altruistic beings who are distorted by the system. We're in but not made happy by it. What if we can actually be better people in a better world? You know a story. I have always loved that to me. You Know Dorothy Day. I just feel like gets quoted all the time more and more I mean. Some she somehow she's really come to the forefront of of consciousness. But you know to me the the the moment that that I think about all the time is this question. She posed and You know maybe you could call this. An open would not an open clash question to a close question. You know as standing there and you do write about in your book a Paradise Built in Hell which I love so much you know. You're right about the San Francisco earthquake of April Eighteenth nineteen o six And which killed three thousand people and annihilated the center of the city as you say and shattered this hundred mile stretch but Dorothy Day was in Oakland. She's eight years old. She watches this thing. That in someplace you describe as say yes. People fall apart but in disaster. There's also this falling together that we don't chronicle and she the question she asked was you know she saw to me. The this is me looking at. She saw that people are were capable of this that all along. They knew how to do this right but to take and she said why can't we. Why can't we live this way all the time? No that is her formative experience. She said while the disaster lasted people loved one another and so she ends. Dorothy Day is such a key figure for that book both because the earthquake becomes spiritual awakening and kind of the template for what she perceives in her life and because she somebody who had a partner in child in you know she kept the child but she gave up family life for this larger sense of community shoe pursuit as the founder of Catholic worker. You know and she tweeted poverty as the disaster in which she would create this kind of communitize. This deeper broader hire more spiritual sense of community than private life had offered her and and she's so interesting. Somebody who renounces it directly connects this other said so directly to disaster. Yeah and and you know you talk about In all the places you looked and in your own circle as you've as you were in that disastrous minnows. There's there's there's virtue that arises and that there's a joy there's a hope and joy and I was thinking about that phrase of hers the duty of delight right so it's not so yes. There's she make sacrifices that that seem that would that would seem extreme in the context most of our lives but but but that joy was also something she claimed and hung onto. Joy is such an interesting term because we hear constantly about happiness. Are you happy? And it's you know emotions are mutable and this notion that happiness should be a steady state seems to Stein to make people miserable enjoy is so much more interesting because I think we're much more aware that you know it's like it's like the light at sunrise or the lightning or something that it's a piff unease in moments in raptures and that it's not supposed to be a steady state and that's okay and it says and it gets a word that comes up a lot more spiritual life than happiness that happiness. Yeah you you draw a connection Often between I would say the reasonableness of hope and the reality of darkness would you would you? Would you say something about that? Why really wants to rescue darkness from the pejoratives because it's also associated with dark skinned people and those pejoratives often become racial in ways that I find problematic and I I wrote a book called? Hope in the dark about hope. Where without darkness was the future? You know that we the present then. Pastor daylight than the future is night but in. That darkness is kind of mysterious. Sarah can -veloping sense of possibility and communion you know love is made in the dark and often is not with their to recognize that on a no ability as fertile as rich as the womb rather than the tomb. In some sense. You know so much for me of hope is not as I was saying not optimism that everything will be fine but that we don't know what will happen a guest of yours Last year whose name. I'm going to mispronounce Walter. Brueggemann yes yes theologian. Yeah Yeah we were putting out a new edition of the dark and I listened to his interview and he talked about how much hope is grounded in memory and are so excited to hear. Someone say that you know we think of hope is looking forward but memory. Let's know if we have a real memory that we don't we didn't know we didn't know the Berlin Wall was gonNA fall in the Soviet Union was GONNA fall apart. And the binary arrangement those of us who are older grew up where it seemed like capitalism and communism in the Cold War standoff was going to last for centuries you know if you study history deeply You realize that to quote Patti Smith. People have the power that popular power civil society has been tremendously powerful and has changed the world again and again and again that. We're not powerless that that things are very unpredictable. And that people have often taken on things that seemed hopeless freeing the slaves getting women the vote you know an achieved those things and so I think that hope has to be grounded in a in a good sense of history that an in that memory that That can make us hopeful. And I feel like so much of what were burdened. By his bad stories both people have amnesia. Who Don't remember that the president was constructed by certain forces to serve certain elements and can be deconstructed. And you know that things could be very different that they have been very different that things are always changing and that we have agency in that change you get both the sense that things have never changed and that we have no power to change things when people have that kind of Amnesia and You know so for me recognizing what the environmental movement has done since the moment when Rachel Carson arrives on stage and gives language for things. We didn't even talk about wind downstream. Bioaccumulation you know. All these contaminations that were weren't being recognized as Dino. Yeah language and stories can change the possibilities in really matter you also I mean you you right you were born in. The summer of the Berlin Wall went up. Which would be nineteen sixty one and I was born in nineteen sixty And and spent a lot of time in in my adulthood in my young adulthood and Berlin. But but the way as you say the changes that that have happened between now and then were completely unimaginable. I mean things that happened. In nineteen eighty nine were utterly unimaginable read. I was pointed out the fact that that the president of of West Germany was out of the country the day that Berlin fall. I mean no one knew it would happen even when there was so much going on and that was just one of you know there was. There was what was happening in South Africa and and and there's Northern Ireland. Its place that I grew up thinking place where people always killed each other and we continued to kill each other. And you also have wonderful language about you know as you say the vocabulary. We we thought of ourselves in the sixties looking at that wall. Berlin at You know and it was. It was a terrible. It was in a an offense against humanity. But there is so. There's there's so much vocabulary for For things that we now understand to be important. That we didn't possess then that would have been unimaginable. Then you said the thing the way we know how to talk about the natural world just for starters or about human diversity exactly I in one thing December one of the simple examples. I often go back to. Is that when you and I were small to be Gay or lesbian or otherwise. Something other than standard heterosexual is to be considered mentally ill or criminal or both and accordingly and to go from there to national you know same. Sex Marriage rights is an unimaginable journey. You know it's so much of the science fiction of our youth was really just kind of like dudes with rocket pack on Mars and in Stranger in a strange land. It's totally the sixties culture with some new their wives communities and Ted to do the housework for them right. Yeah but there's you Mrs jets in housewife in the mode of nineteen sixty D wherever you know. Feminism is wilder than anybody imagined. And it's not like these and finding the language to talk about sexuality about spirituality and you know the tremendous influence of Asian cultures on the West. Yes yeah yeah the ways things systematically about where your garbage goes where your food con water come from one of the challenges of climate changes we have to think systematically what goes into your gas tank goes goes out into that miss fear and shapes the climate in which all life takes place and so when we have to think collectively about those decisions. So there's been just an. It's been such a huge revolution and you have to get past the idea that it's only revolution that matters is regime change other. We've had plenty of those. In the last fifty years you know to look at all these revolutions in sexuality and gender food production and ecological awareness in relationships between East and West and social possibilities. And you know an economics and alter you know just the and there's often so many times and this is part of the hopelessness people say sending lost like the sixties failed. Because you know it's like you know. I noticed other day that two people working doing really great humane solidarity work with someone on death row had been part of the web or connected to the weather underground and the weather underground. It's not something I'm wildly enthused about. But that out of you know. Some of those people whose idealism pushed them to that extreme are still idealist and still doing things and they came through that opening and they never stopped doing what they're doing and that's a lot of what my hopeful stuff is about is trying to look at the immeasurable incalculable. Indirect roundabout way that Things matter yeah how my friend David? Graeber has a wonderful passage. Let the new version of hope in the dark coming in About how the Russian Revolution succeeded but not but not really in Russia it terrified or at least motivated leaders in Europe and North America and elsewhere to make enormous concessions to the rights of workers and really really furthered economic justice in other places. And if you can say that a revolution was successful but not in the country took place in. Then you can start to trace these indirect impact and it's something You know there's a story. Tolan hope in the dark about Guide who was it? Who Doctor Spock? Who became a great outspoken anti-war voice during the Vietnam war? I don't think I remember. It has yeah Benjamin. Yeah I was asked how he became. You know the great voice for Peace and he talked about walking past the White House one day. And seeing this little cluster of forlorn-looking ladies protesting nuclear weapons in the rain and thinking if they can do that then I really should stand up for what I believe in. The story was told by one of those ladies. He said standing there in the rain I felt like it was completely few tile and a waste of my time in that CETERA. You know it's incredible. And then and she didn't find out until maybe a decade later that actually you know this had been the trigger for You know this enormously important You know force. That was Benjamin spock's Voice Mr Baby and child care unleashed against Moore. I love those and you have to be have this wonderful sentence that History is like the weather not like checkers. Do you talk about you know. Here's another yeah. Sometimes cause and effect are centuries apart sometimes. Martin Luther King's arc of the moral universe that bends towards justice so long few seats curve sometimes hope lies not in looking forward but backward to study the line of that arc. It's it is. It's an UNAMERICAN way of thinking but it's an essential way I think to inhabit this century in particular. I there used to be products advertised in comic books and things instant results guaranteed or your money back. I often feel that. That's what people demand. And IT'S A it's if you're if disappointment is your goal that's a surefire recipe for it. I'm for example. Occupy Wall Street was pronounced a failure before it had really gotten going and it was and it Cetera and You know at one point. There were occupies in New Zealand and Japan and Europe and In California alone there were about four hundred occupies at the peak in late. Two thousand eleven and they dispersed as these encampments and people which people had these extraordinary dialogues and the impact of those dialogues is hard to measure. But you can look at Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren is and the Bill de Blasios of New York the Mayor of New York as people who are kind of carrying those frameworks into the streaming an intellectual politics and you can also look at both national things. The movement against Punitive student dead in the exploitative private colleges that my friend. Astra Taylor's involved in which is occupy spin but also I started asking around. There's all these little groups in all these little communities working with the homeless working for occupying ideas. Well exactly very practical response. Yes yeah there's also I mean just as you're talking about this they that if nothing else occupy Wall Street also contributed some language that has continued to be incredibly powerful even if people are responding to it and and arguing with it right. It's there I don't think anybody's is even arguing with the term. The one person you hear about the ninety nine percent much but we hear about the one percent all the time to talk about the super rich and it was such the ninety. Nine percent of the one percent was so interesting. Saying it's not the poor against the middle class. It's most of us against. Yeah this tiny elite that now controls most of the resources on earth in this great economic we shuffling we've undergone in the last few decades and just making visible the amount of human suffering that mortgage debt medical debt student loan debt credit card debt has imposed and this kind of debt. Peon Adj that also leads to people to be jailed and people to to have lives. That are just impossible. in miserable and all kinds of ways. Bush really revelatory. And do you know? We weren't really talking about economic inequality economic justice. I think that's incredible campaigns around minimum wage. Come out of this opening to right. And that's one of these things. These movements dialogues moments can be as an opening and opening isn't the event opening is the space through which myriad events going forward may take place. You know what I feel like. What you're you're you're you're you're kind of. You're drawing a map and it's a different kind of map than we than we came out of the twentieth century in our heads with which is about how social change happens We I think maybe the image people go to default way is kind of you know. Maybe the civil rights movement simplified large numbers of people on the street a charismatic leader and laws that get passed right in the in that moment I mean let's let me let me ask you this so because one. I very much appreciated your writing about Hurricane Katrina and the and the world after Hurricane Katrina and so I I would like to ask you. How if you met. And this is one of these places where we've told the story in a certain way and we end even from the very beginning. The story was narrated and presented in a way that was largely just incredibly demoralizing If you met someone you know like I say a Martian who who hadn't was not here and had never heard of this you know. How would you tell start to tell the fullness of that story of Hurricane Katrina what happened to this city called New Orleans? That is and how that that history is still being made now you. I should say all my work on disaster draws from these wonderful disastrous geologists. Who had this do this? Incredible work documenting. What happens in disasters and have since World War Two you? I'm kind of their popularizer. And Okay and People like Kathleen tyranny and But and they they say there's no such thing as a natural disaster meaning that you know an earthquake. It's buildings that fall on you. So like what are the building codes? Who Lives in sub-standard housing who lives on the flood plain who gets evacuated. Who gets left behind who you know and There was very little that was natural about Hurricane Katrina The levees had been predicted to fail very publicly National Geographic and the Times picky and the New Orleans newspaper and so the Army Corps of Engineers for the first culprit. Because this storm didn't do that much. It blew some roofs off. It dumped a lot of rain water etc. What happened to New Orleans? Is that the levees failed to about seven eighths of the city flooded. Meaning that that you know a lot of it was from a few feet to do you know fifteen feet or more deep in water and just all systems failed and some hospitals were able to run on generators at There was a supposedly. You know what there was what was called a mandatory evacuation but people who didn't have the resources to evacuate were left behind to face what happened. Yeah so that's the setup for that creates a disaster you know and Cuba. When there's a mandatory evacuation everybody receives this receives this instance they need to evacuate so it's kind of laws affair. Every man for himself system right left. You know what we're often portrayed as you the criminal element. It was a lot of poor woman single MOMS with kids a lot of elderly people and a lot of the guys who got portrayed as gangsters and things worthy wonderful rescuers and You these really able bodied young guys. Who did amazing things so so all these people are New Orleans? Was the two thirds black city at this point Very poor city. All these poor people mostly black people that are some wealthy white people also are are left behind in this city. Then things happen like they basically get sealed off you can walk out of the central city to dry land but the sheriff of a suburb called Gretna and his thugs get on the bridge with guns in turn people back at gunpoint. You cannot walk out of New Orleans to dryland so you're trapped like your a prisoner essentially why you know. There's all and that was the narrative they were working off in terms of these people were. Yeah well the you know. All the all the cliches and that surfaced in the nineteen o six earthquake all the crap about human nature about how we all were especially poor people especially non white people we revert to our Mar. Savage Social Darwinist nature were aired and the mainstream media and this includes the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN. And you know the Guardian all the major news outlets it. Wasn't you know it's Were that unindicted. Co-conspirator always say they start publishing all this garbage about how there's mass killings in the Super Dome and that which is believed so much that the Federal Emergency Management Agency sends like a gigantic tractor trailer refrigerated truck to get what turns out to be six bodies not the two hundred that are supposed to be there. There's all these stories at people are shooting at helicopters so you can't have helicopter rescues first of all. Why would people shoot at helicopters? You have to believe that people are just crazy Darwinian. It's not even survival. Yeah and second of all. It's completely untrue. Every standard of journalism is abandoned and people just published his total garbage and then they obsess about property and it's like grandmothers are dying on rouge in this blazing sweltering heat and all people seem to care about is whether somebody's getting a TV for free from from Walmart and it's like really that's more important than you know than human life to you. What are your priorities and? That's what the disaster sociologist. Call elite panic where the lease believed that we're monsters and that the only thing that holds society together as their own power over us when their power fails they're terrified and so they mount us Campaign not to treat suffering human beings and bring them resources but to reconquer the city. And that's you can see in some ways. That's what happened in nine eleven. It's exactly what happened with occupying army that killed possibly as many as five hundred people in San Francisco in one thousand nine hundred six and that language was used about New Orleans Kathleen Blanco the governor of Louisiana said. We have troops fresh from fresh from Iraq and they have M16's that are locked and loaded and they know how to use them that is not a humanitarian effort you know M16's are not how you help that. Grandmother Dying on the roof and the scrammed. Some of those grandmothers died. And so you know. People were not a victim of a hurricane. There were victim of vicious stories of the media's failures of the failures of the government on every scale from the city of New Orleans that left prisoners locked in flooded jails to the federal government and You know and so. That's that's political failures but behind those politics or stories and what's interesting. Is that a lot of people. Believe those stories and I said out and then I recruited my friend. Ac Tomson investigative journalist who did amazing work later on Katrina number of people did really good work. I feel like we have succeeded in changing the story of Katrina and I don't think we'll have another disaster where those things go. So unexamined Those kinds of rumors and things like that. That was actually a lovely example. That you've been part of Of electing that dot between what you do and and and making making a difference That you you know you wouldn't have set out to make right to that. I mean well you know. It didn't start that way. The funny thing is I was already writing about disaster. My head a piece on disaster. That went to press at Harper's on August. Twenty ninth two thousand and five the day the storm hit and I called up my editor and said Oh my I'd like to make some changes now because it was clear that New Orleans was gonna be tremendously just too late we went to press. But now you're above the masthead and and it was re the you know but then I then I felt like Oh my God. I'm sitting on all this really important information about what happens in disasters namely that. Most people are brave. Altruistic communitarian resourceful people are mostly pretty great and disasters that it's the it's the the powerful that fail and they fail because of there's these kind of corrupt beliefs. They have These beliefs about human nature and I just felt like okay. I have this really important information. I have to put it at the service of unpacking. What's happening and give people the resources to recognize that. This is a pack of destructive lies. And you know we often treat stories like they're very trivial. You know like their story. Our for kids or that. It's about you know. People live and die by stories and You know and people died of vicious stories in New Orleans and everybody could have been evacuated in twenty four hours. Everybody could have been evacuated beforehand. Well stories you also tell our that you know that we don't hear which were life-giving You know that in the immediate aftermath more than two hundred thousand people invite display strangers into their homes through hurricane housing dot. Org which. I never heard about that that the that the massive number of people who went to New Orleans went to the Gulf coast to help rebuild. That was like it was like the freedom summer and Mississippi magnified thousandfold. So there's also that that taking place and those lives one at a time and there was from the very minute it all began there was tremendous altruism end the first round of rescuers were people who were themselves inside the city who got boats or did other things to rescue people who came together and buildings that weren't damaged in form little communities took care of the phone number. Paul but are these extraordinary stories and people really. That impulse to help is so powerful. And they talk. They call it disaster convergence and often becomes a problem where you have so you remember after nine eleven people lined up around the country to give blood. People really want to help. And that's that's who we are and You Know New Orleans for years afterwards. Had All these people church groups and I saw mazing Mennonite builders rebuilding houses and habitat for humanity. I kind of loved it. It was the whole spectrum from Catholic charities to the Mennonites to pretty radical anarchists and People working with common ground which was in some ways grounded in the Black Panthers because the Former Black Panthers where a big part of it and there was some really immediate stuff guiding houses and running community kitchens for people who didn't have kitchens in these debt devastated houses who are coming back there was advocacy and some of. It's still there. Common Ground was founded by Black Panthers and young white supporters and became a project that did a lot of different things and not all of it worked out perfectly but some of it was amazing and it became a really a part of the conversation but they founded the first really good clinic For people who needed emergency care who needed their d'oeuvres diabetes medicine or their tetanus shot or their wound disinfected and And that split off into common ground clinic which is still going more than ten years later. And that's the kind of indirect consequences you know and I I that I find so interesting to trace his that in this city in this country where people are often so so lacking an access to medical care here saying that came out of Katrina that helping people every day right so I want you know. We talked a little while ago about about love. And and you know your your idea that love has saw so many other things to do in the world Aside from these silos of you know loving our families and loving and loving our children So if I ask you what story or people come to mind if if you think about the word love as a practical muscular public thing in in New Orleans ten years after Hurricane Katrina. Lakewood comes to mind for you. I'm so many things and it's a really magical place I you know. It's a confronted Racism in a way I never had before looking at people who were murdered just for being black after the storm but there's also a lot of joy a lot of people people have deep connections in New Orleans. I would try to explain that people in New Orleans and Katrina lost things that most of us hadn't had for generations. A lot of people lived in a neighborhood where they knew hundreds of people. They knew everybody who live near them. They might have extended family. They might be like fats domino. Who was born in a house in the lower ninth ward delivered by His grace by his grandmother. You know people live in their grandparents houses. They have these deep roots and wide branches and they engage in public celebration. They talk to strangers and do you know they. It's deeply dynasty in place with the second line. Parades all you know morty something Sundays a year not just carnival Not just Mardi GRA and It's a it's a profoundly spiritual place so all these things are part of the place and You know so. They're already really rich. But a lot of people after Katrina felt like okay. We really have to engage to keep this place alive. And there's a real rise in civic engagement you know and a number of institutions around the justice and policing were reformed. The police were actually taken over by the federal government because it was the most corrupt and incompetent police department in the United States. They got a semi decent mayor for a change after a lot of corruption particularly from Rene who went to jail for it the mayor during and after Katrina and people really started to dream. Big about okay here. We are on the fastest eroding coastline in the world in a city. That's partly below sea level in an era of climate change increasing storms and rising waters. How do we adapt? And people are having this really exciting conversation about rethinking the city and how waterworks in the city building systems of survival. And there's there's there's a lot of exciting stuff going on. I think if Katrina hadn't happened again this is like all disasters. The storm was horrible. It killed about eighteen hundred people displaced a lot of black people who are never able to come back and impacted the continuity mental health of the community but it did create this engagement that is do you know one of that and there's really creative planning of the future and New Orleans Mardi just continued its gentle decline without Katrina right and incubator now. Isn't it kind of a? Yeah Yeah and a lot of the young people. These young idealists who moved there you know fell in love with the place instead and it's complicated. Some of them are the white kids who are gentrifying traditionally black neighborhoods but there are also some not all white and they are people who are bringing passion for Urban Planning Community Gardens You know for thinking about these social and ecological systems and the places very energized right now in new ways and it has retained Quite a lot if not all of the energy had before you know and it seems to me that that do Orleans that story of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina becomes just an extreme example of of a larger reality. You see and so. Here's here's something. He wrote that. So beautifully stated you know In fact every each one of US individually I if we if we stopped take it apart has a story of a million events or actions or people without which we would not be and you wrote trace it far enough and this very moment in your life becomes a rare species. The result of a strange delusion fly that should already be extinct and survived by the inexplicable. As we call coincidence. Yeah from faraway nearby where I trace the boy dying of leukemia. Who bought a copy of my book? A field guide to getting lost. Who gave it to give to his dear friend who gave it to her mother who invited me to Iceland at an opportune moment. When getting the hell out of where? I was just what I wanted and needed to do. And so it's just a chance encounter of boy who died before I got there with a book table in Berlin. That makes me brings me to small town Iceland. Your love those kinds of stories because it's also about the unpredictability of our lives and that ground for hope I talk about that. We don't know what forces are at work. What who and what is going to appear what thing we may not have even noticed or may have discounted that will become a tremendous force in our lives and that you know people in this cultural of certainty so much and they seem to love certainty more than hope and which is why they often sees on these really kind of bitter despondent narratives. That are they know. Exactly what's going to happen? You know that the tar sands pipeline is GonNa pass and you know. There's no way that all this rabble of activists in places like Nebraska are going to stop this tremendously powerful. Fossil fuel pipeline the When up and the oil industry and You know dead. Certainties seem so tragic death of course we did stop the Tar Sands Pipeline Obama on November six. I think it was finally said no to it because for six years people even when it was thought to be a lost cause and ridiculous likely kept pushing so yes so tracing those things in those coalitions that came together the cowboy and Indian coalition. These wonderful really Rolls Native Canadians. First Nations Canadians have played. In the movement against the Tar Sands Pipelines. You know you get these. I want people to tell more complex stories enjoying knowledge these players who aren't in the limelight because it's also acknowledging that all the power is not in the hands of the people you're going to see on the nightly news it's not in the hands of elected officials. It's not in the hands of. It's not all in the hands of corporations that slams we win and that there are these openings but an opening is just an opening you have to go through it and make make something happen and you know you don't always win but you you know but if you you know but if you try you don't always lose. You don't always win but I think that yeah I come back to your idea that history is like and in fact our lives are like the weather not like checkers. So so you're point actually is I would see says the kind of complexity that I think theology at its best imposes. You know that you walk through the openings and perhaps you don't win that battle or you don't see the result you hope for you know perhaps you you outright lose but but the way the the complex way you're wanting to tell the stories of reality in our lives that whatever we do there there are always consequences that that we that we that we don't control and can't see and calculate but but they matter they they they count the game involve with loves to say and I'm getting the it's from FOUCO and I'm getting it wrong that that we know what we do. We know why we do it but we don't know what it does. What we do does and I love that. Sense that You know there are these things you know. We don't we don't know consequences. You know we can we can learn and surmise and a lot of what matters is indirect and non linear. It's funny I'm writing something It's related and it's like even checker seems too sophisticated and complex for the metaphor used bullying where people are like are they we knocked all all the pins down with this this bowling ball you know are we had a gutter ball and nothing happened. And it's like you know yeah even to stick with the horrible bowling metaphor. We only have two comes. Yeah but it's like maybe some of those pins are going to. You know I wanNA talk about who history works. It's like maybe some of those pins are going to slowly disintegrate and some and of course you know the powers that be are never going to give you credit for why the pins you. Know pins disintegrated fell. Maybe you're actually knocking over pins in somebody else's lane you know like not that. I not that linear but people really have this bowling mentality. Which like are there we are? There was a striker Gutter Ball. And it's like you know whatever you can it's like you can count. How many pins went down instead number? That matters yeah. My wonderful environmentalists friendship ward. Likes to talk about the tyranny of the quantifiable. Yeah and I've been using that phrase of his about fifteen years and it is a kind of churn out I think and it does get mystical where you have to look at. What's not quantifiable? Martin Luther King is assassinated in nineteen sixty eight a comic book T that about how civil disobedience works that was distributed during the civil rights movement gets translated into Arabic and distributed in Egypt and becomes one of the immeasurable forces that help feed the Arab spring which is five years old right now and most of it doesn't look that good but they did overthrow a bunch of regimes and the French Revolution didn't really look very good. Five years out. I was saying yeah and So important that you point that out that we and also our revolution when these these things are messy and they take generation and we forget that and we're already like calling it as a loss and it's absurd really it's absurd. Yeah and you know what I think. They're really good. Good points to be made that for example that that overthrowing a dictator is nice but you need democratic institutions in Egypt for example the military was power. That didn't go away and You know that that you need to not just have that amazing moment in the streets and that rupture but you need to change you know have an ongoing engagement with transforming the system and making it accountable and Cetera. But you know but what happened mattered nevertheless and I think for people many people in the Middle East. Just as sense that you know. It's not inevitable that we live in dino authoritarianism. We are not powerless that we have had power and just says experiences. I'm so often you talk to people and You know who had those experiences in Prague in nineteen sixty eight and all kinds of moments which then looks like a loss as well in the yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And I think of Alexander Dubcek You know the hero of the Prague Spring of nineteen sixty eight which was quashed playing a role in the one thousand nine hundred. Nine revolution liberated that country so true yeah beano so yes I want you know. I want better metaphors. I want better stories. I want more openness. I want better questions. You know. All these things feel like they give us tools that are a little more commensurate with the amazing possibilities and the terrible realities that we face and You know that what we given so often are just these kind of clumsy inadequate tools. They don't help. They don't open things out. They don't shed light they don't lead is to interesting places they don't let us know how powerful we can be. They don't help us. Ask The questions that really matter and that start with rejecting the narratives were told and be key and telling our own stories becoming the storyteller rather than the person who's told what to do This is so wonderful. I think you I I I'm very much kind of comrade in your Your your reverence for something called public life and You know you it which I think. We've narrowly acquainted with political life in recent generations. But kind of opening that language. Up More. You've said you know public life enlarges you gives you purpose and context I I WANNA come to this. This idea that maybe this is a this. Analogy is more apt. And we're in the middle of this This presidential election year which is so Confusing Messy But and there's a lot of anger in the room and my going with this. You Know You. You don't want to compare it to a natural disaster but you know you said in the. I think I am in my like in the middle of a natural disaster. There's this joy that rises up so so on the one hand we have this spectacle of I think Let's just say I think I can safely say this you know. A presidential election is which is not what any of us how any of US would want it to be perhaps But but tell me. Where are you taking joy in public life right now and that that might have nothing to do with politics? I Yeah I totally agree. We need a broader sense of public life that it's a sense of belonging to a place by which I mean the physical place. The trees the birds the where the coastline or people. The for the farms as well as the people and institutions et. Cetera and. It's one of the reasons I love New Orleans. People really engaged with each other in every day. And we're sometimes living in the bay area. It feels like Women Zombie movie. Everybody's walking around in a trance during their phone. And nobody's you know in the private world your phone opens onto and and but it's funny the way you describe it because. I think there's a kind of self forgetfulness and a sense of having something in common that brings joy when it comes in disaster and of course the presidential elections the exact opposite it's partisanship in sort of deep attachment to I'm right and you're wrong in this squabbling and it's an amazing election. I feel like I'm in Argentina or Italy because we basically looks like we might have a socialist running against a fascist at. It's like this really broad spectrum. You know we've basically had centrists. Most of the last you know we've had some really interesting third party. Candidates like Henry Wallace the socialist. Who did really well in forty eight but But mostly we've had people who are pretty centrist. You know George Bush the first etcetera under Reagan. Reagan was radical and started to dismantle all the safety nets from FDR etc looks really centrist from year. Yeah but still. There was cutting of a common ground. And now you have these crazy climate reproductive rights denying kind of you know our own jihadi fanatics our own. Sharia law. Laud Dude. You know and then we have like this Jewish guy from Brooklyn who's like Vermont Socialist and it's just the breads is kind of you know it's very scary. It's really interesting but it's also sad because I feel like it's like Obama two thousand and eight all over again. A lot of people I know are invested in Sanders in a way. Where like? Here's the magic savior? Who Make everything. Dutiful and Obama presidency feels like such a lost opportunity to me. If the tremendously powerful grassroots movement that overcame greater money et Cetera and put him in office had not gone home and left. This one guy one not so experienced guy who had the whole wrath of the you know the Republican Party Against him part you know if that movement had remained effective and powerful and you know not in just having has back but in pushing him in demanding things about climate things about Guantanamo things about economic justice etc. Like you know that civil society could've worked miracles and it could redefine the center so that we'd be having a very different conversation now then one in which immigrant continue to be blamed for everything in which reproductive rights are framed. Well much fear which which some some of it has roots in circumstances that are near and I think some of it's just then building and is a function of this moment. We inhabit writ large. And it's all but but but but to you know we're so so put that aside because I think that's not very full for you or me but where where are you. Where are you finding joy in public life right now? Where do you WanNa luck in terms of the larger narrative of who we are and what we're capable of and what this moment you haven't talked about you say whenever I look around me? I wonder what old things are about to bear fruit. What seemingly solid institutions. Might soon rupture seeds. We might now be. Planting harvest will come at some unpredictable moment in the future. So where where are you looking right now? With intrigue he knows Climate Movement. Which was this kind of embryonic ineffectual. Sing ten years ago and I was in Paris for the climate conference in it's global it's powerful it's brilliant. It's innovative and remarkable. Things are happening and real real transformations and you know ten years ago. We we didn't even have the energy options for you know. We didn't really have good alternatives to fossil fuel. The way we do now as like Scotland heads towards one hundred percent fossil free energy Jenner generation. Has All these remarkable things happen. So we're really an energy revolution. That's an evolution of a revolution of consciousness. About how things work and how connected they all are and You know this incredible kind of war of the world against the fossil fuel corporate corporations. It's very effective. But that's that's the pragmatic side. What I also see as these deep connections between people in North America and Africa the Pacific the Philippines Asia you know this global movement. That's really coming of age and it has a kind of profound beauty. Not only some of the individuals. I'm friends with doing great things in it. Kind of beauty of creativity of passion of real love for the vulnerable populations at sting for the world. The natural world for the sense of systems in order on the natural order of weather the weather patterns sea levels Things like winter Yeah yeah winter winter as winter and spring as it used to be where the bird migrations happened. You know in coordination with these flowers blooming and these insects hatching etcetera. You know what we what we recognize when we address. Climate change is this in this infinite complexity that has a beautiful kind of order to it and it's falling into disorder and size the the love the intelligence the passion. The creativity of that movement is one. I'm there's many other things I could say but right now that's just so exciting and it's also terrifying because that's facing the most scary thing on earth which is the you know. Catastrophic climate change the disaster to an all disasters that takes center negotiating. It's negotiating and this is what hope is about for me. It's not saying like Oh we can pretend that that everything's going to be fine and we'll fix it on. It'll be as though it never happened. It's really saying like the difference. Between the best case. Scenario and the worst case scenario is where these people in the Philippines survive where these people in the Arctic are able to keep sending their way of life. And we're going to do everything we can to fight for the best case rather than the worst case without without without illusions without thinking that we're going to make it all magically okay and like it never happened you know and so that tough mindedness is also really beautiful. That pragmatic idealism that tough-minded hope exactly give it is tough. It's now for to be uncertain and certain it's tougher to take chances than to be safe and You know and so hope is softened CENA's weakness because it's vulnerable but it takes strength to enter into that vulnerability of being open to the possibilities on. I'm interested in what gives people that strength. And you know what story's what questions what memories wet conversations what senses of themselves in the world around them. We'RE WE'VE RUN OUT. We'll we're just over about a minute. I swear to ask you one last question It's a huge question. But just just. Where would you start thinking about this? Like how has your sense of what it means? How is your sense of what it means to be human Evolving right now as you right and as we speak like what? What controversies that taking on that. Perhaps you would have expected ten years ago or or when you were fifteen and miserable. Yeah I know it's been so incremental and it's you know the changes sink you know. I feel like I've been able to change myself. A lot to unlearn. A lot of the bad frameworks bad habits about who I am and what I deserve. And what my life can be like at You know I was a really isolated kid and my brothers tease me. When I did girl thinks I wasn't very good at girl thinks I wasn't very good at connecting to other girls and I was just the weird kid with her nose in a book stuff I have like. I have really wonderful people around really deep connections and that's incredibly satisfying and just like you know. It's all kind of amazing you. I think a lot of us wish you could send postcards to your miserable teenage south. I always thought that it gets better campaign for Queer kids like we need it for you. Know should be broadened. 'cause it gets better for a lot of us that the UN l. The lot of ugly ducklings become swans a lot of unpopular people ended up being loved. You know that that you know just that you build a life and the facts and also as part of that but that trial was being really voiceless about some of the bad things that were happening to me but also just having people to talk to and it Sarah and becoming voice that's translated into many languages on the radio rights. Editorials your newspapers like. That's kind of shocking to me like nobody I my mother and her ever encouraging way. When I won some big prize said this is also a surprise little thing but it is kind of a surprise. And you know it's like I've been to have this ability to participate in if you know in really kind of maybe be helpful to other people to do really meaningful work and how we think about gender and feminism how we tell our stories how we you know including stories about climate about popular power about disaster about human nature. You know it's such a gift in I. You know I was always going to be a writer but I thought it was going to scribble on the side and have a day job and I haven't gotten around to replace see my last day job which was in nineteen eighty-eight so you know so so it's all just this kind of astonishment well. Rebecca. I can't tell you how much I've this has been such a pleasure and I'm just love your writing and followed you for such a long time. Knits real thrilled to have you To being conversation with US thank you so much my pleasure. It's great to talk to somebody who has such great questions and goes in such goes so far in such interesting directions. Look forward to sharing this with other than yeah searches. Thank you so much for making the time and I hope we'll meet in person one day somewhere. If you ever come out here let me know. Okay all right bye bye. And where are you at where in? Minnesota? If you ever come here please be in touch. Come to our studio unknown to happen. Are you in What town are you in? Minneapolis in Minneapolis Park. I was hearing Minnesota for a minute. Yes so we have a great beautiful studio and just be wonderful to take you to lunch okay. I'm I'm trying to think of going to where I have these schedules. Where like the week before? I really figure out what I'm doing. I'm sure you'll go then. I'm going going onward thinking like is that where I'm going I'll let you now. Okay thank you so much. Okay thank you bye bye take care bye bye.

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Yeah I heard before welcome back Rick Tuttle with you coast to coast around the world. Speaking of the the Rosebowl we're just talking about Kevin Warren, the Commissioner of the big ten. Well. They're supposed to play in the spring and the packages both play in the spring. The question is, can we have two rose bowls one of them already New Year's Day and it's the College Football playoff semifinal. Traditionally, what I was going up the PAC ten champion played the big ten champion. That was just the way it was. And Cal has never gone to the Rose Bowl my lifetime even this new funky format. How about having another one at the end of the spring seasons. Those two conferences play in a second rose bowl, and so the Commissioner David heeds or I should say the CEO the Rose Bowl. He was asked about it. And he said. Quote. It was on a totally different subject. There were more than one hundred people on the call. And there's been a conversation about that possibility. I've been asked that question several times where a semifinal site this year for the CFP. Obviously, my team is working aggressively on that. If there is college football this fall the question about a spring schedule with both the big ten PAC, twelve that could result in another rose bowl I don't think anybody has given any thought or consideration to that at this point. I understand the tournament of roses parade. It's like when Al Davis named. himself. Was it manager to the general partner of some kind of weird title when he was actually part owner with Wayne Valley but If you're the average athletic director fan or player these conferences. There's been of course more than a little bit of thought. About that. Rose. Bowl was the first ballgame. That's why it's called the granddaddy of them all. And it has defined. Seasons for those two conferences for years and years. The very first one was in nineteen o two and it was Stanford versus Washington. But from nineteen, forty, seven on they have met. At the Rose Bowl in Pasadena so. If you think about. Winning a ball sometimes back in the day that was almost more important than a national championship not. The same but almost. And Lloyd car the Michigan Coach always said from him it was the rose. Bowl. That's what it was. That was the most important thing. So. For, them to surrender exclusivity, which they did about twenty years ago when the BCS started, which meant no longer big ten. And PAC. Ten at the time. To put yourself as part of the CFP rotation that happened seven years ago. So at the moment. Rose Ball cannot serve as the national championship game. So any CFP national championship game is going to go to Sophie. Stadium. Or so fi I duNno. So fine stadium that's the new on the rams will be in. In fact, it's already on the schedule for twenty, twenty, three, the national championship, but the logistics can get muddled because the average payout for each participant. In the College Football playoff era is forty million dollars. That figures GONNA come down I guess without the toll in the big. And in it They would have to align their schedules second rose bowl to be to take place anyway. So, the with the big ten now talking about we're GONNA play a we're going to start in. Thanksgiving. CFP now has hitched itself to the seventy six teams playing in the fall. So. Like what if not just the big ten in the pack told the mountain West than the Mac. They're. You Know Division. One schools. Those could be as well but. The Tournament of Roses Parade has already been canceled for obvious reasons. And Moving. The game to the spring would be you know you'd have to think all that's going to keep everyone instead everyone they do a bowl game actually hire full time people to work the game. We'll keep around that one, eight, hundred, eight, seven play. As. I started to mention earlier. There was a guy named Dell Loy Hansen who owns the Salt Lake City MLS team rail solid because they're so old and so royal. He had made some statements over the fact that on. Wednesday. MLS decided not to play as the NBA and Major League Baseball on the WNBA. And he wasn't happy about it. And what he said was. He said the disrespect was profound to me. Personally it's taken a lot of wind out of my sails on how much I want to invest in the team buying players and building the team. So people have chimed in Josie. Altidore? USA. Forward Said, he needs to sell the team then I'm involved in a group that's. Ready to. Purchase it. I'M GONNA change. remondo longtime. GULLION MLS. Give them credit. He's like five nine, but he wrote while just wow, I can't even right now at Rail Salt Lake Rocker Room fans in front office that Stanford Quality, human rights, and the fight against racism. I applaud you I am disgusted by D. L. H. comments this is more than a game. Donovan Mitchell who's in town with the jazz? Says Wow if it's taken the wind out, then sell the team I stand with at Real Salt Lake players. So. You know probably the most salient comments are coming from a current player on the team and the current commissioner. Of the League. Because we all salt lake defender Nadem on a roach. Expressed frustration that he gave with the BBC World. Service and said quote. I don't want to be here because I'm not here to play for someone who isn't here to support us. We are trying to create a bigger conversation but a lot of the people who are in power don't emphasize or sympathizer do anything. They are more concerned with themselves. Yes, they are and the Commissioner of major league soccer said. We are deeply concerned about the allegations made in a report published this evening concerning language used by the conduct of Rail Selig owner Dell. Loy Hansen. Major league soccer has zero tolerance for this type of language are conduct and will immediately can commence an investigation. That thing. F Joey, Bosa shouldn't have to apologize. E. What he's saying is I'm not on board with these with these protests and I makes me lose interest. In Two thousand twenty, you're not allowed to say that publicly. You're not allowed. So then from the the Union, the allegations regarding deloite Hanson contain and published reports are shocking and run counter to we stand for, and we will immediately begin an investigation and if these reports are substantial, take appropriate actions. He's not allowed. Think that they might take his team from him in anything racist you didn't say anything sexes. In say those people are stupid and he just says that it's disrespectful took the wind out of sales. But you know I disagree with them but isn't it kind of scary that you can't. You can't say that out allow now. There's there's no free speech unless you agree with the national. The national climate is now you do have to care and you do have to agree with these things. there. Are people who will try to shove things down your mouth. And like you're not allowed to say caitlyn Jenner's ugly. She's beautiful. He's beautiful. You can't say she's ugly even if you think she's ugly. Can't say those things out loud. So. Della Hanson is stupid because he should know that this was this would be the pushback. He's GonNa get. and. Hansen not only owns that. MLS. Franchise he also owns Utah Royals a minor league soccer as well. But he the other thing he said about the walkout was he said he felt like somebody stabbed you and you're trying to figure out a way to pull the knife out and move forward. That's what it feels like. Though he feels like he got stabbed in the back. and. He's not allowed to feel that way because this is an important social issue. 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Network Video Games are way more important than your job, your school or your relationships. Let's talk about them everything from the two, thousand, six, hundred to the three sixty. I don't work for any video game company. So I'll tell you what's worth your money and what stinks also cheat codes interviews, your calls giveaway a game released states all that and more every Sunday night right here on the sports byline USA broadcast. Network. To me it's like a mountain of us both of us. saw. The. Pattern. George. Go. Where the dogs? Smith. The now. Rick Tidwell beats servants. All right. Thanks for that. I don't have servants. That's an old the David. Letterman thing. Ten thing GE executives do when they get home. They own NBC Sky Robert Wright Bob Right. It was ahead of general, electric and Up Ten things she executives do when they get home number one was beat servants. That the other one was. When I remember was. Uses Superior Sylvania lightbulbs. Let's go to the number one city in America New York City and we got Charlie. Charlie. Very Cower You I'm actually not going to talk sports today. That's okay. Wanted to follow up on what you had mentioned before about. politics and stuff I I have expressed my disdain for this this administration numerous times. So I'm not going to go down that road. Like you said this, I am basically your age. I'm fifty, two, fifty, three in a couple of months and I've never seen the country is divided is now it's it's it's almost like two separate countries. and. I listen I'm. I think it's no longer the Republican Party in my mind the party of trump gets come a cult of personality. and. I just think it's an. Existential. threat. If he wins again. But anyway, that's. Just My. Shot on that I I am it's very stressful. Being in this. Time. Between the pandemic and the racial tension and and everything else has been going on and in terms of what Urlacher said. I'm GonNa Quote Something Kevin Bacon Actor said, he says the White Guy should just shut up and listen. And I I get that piece of advice that. He claimed the gentleman was going for his knife. Other people said, he was going to his car because three children is three young children in the car. So maybe he was going without knowing the specifics maybe he was going to. Go to his children, the comfort, his children before he was shot. anyway. now, changing subjects I I, I have a movie I'd like the back. Because I know you talk Hollywood on Fridays and it's a real I. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Breaking Away Christopher Dennis Quaid. Do you ever see that movie? I saw in the theaters when I was in high school. Yeah. I just saw it again over the weekend and it was such a great feel-good movie of a coming of age really about these you know kids. And a town in Indiana, with the bike. Set focused around cycling. So I did a little sports in it, but it was such a great feel-good movie and another thing I'd like to recommend to your your fans I introduced something. I did with my father when I was a young boy and pandemic, it's brought me back to this. And I've been watching them every day and I am I two sons one, twenty, one, seventeen. And anti introduce them, and now they're avid fans the three stooges go out and watching the three stooges. It is such a I can't tell you how I laugh like like a like a losing my mind. I hadn't watched these episodes in. Twenty thirty years and my son's love it and I I think. Seeing that all men love the stooges and all women. But listen if we had more curly's in the world, you'd be a lot better place. All. Right. Well, I I have nonstop watch, the stooges, my whole life and. I. Still to this day, watch them they are the height. Of comedy it doesn't get any better than them Jean going back to the your going back to the cutters. which was because they were descendant of guys who worked at the Corey not because they cut school. So they're going to these rich guys. INDIANA UNIVERSITY But. They also showed in that movie what a Lotta people thought was that all Italians are dirty cheaters too and the guy pine spokes Yes yes. I know I I. Ties. It was. A really great movie. I. It was a great. Great John Dennis Quaid Daniel Stern. Great cast anyway if you have a good weekend talking actually think you very much actually called Charlie I appreciate it. That movie I actually saw a theater and Berkeley and with my grandmother, not just me and her, but it was when I. Think I. was about fourteen or fifteen. And while times my damages, my grandma who lived in Oak East Oakland in the hood. He. Would take her once in a while we used to go see these travelogues. At cal over at Wheeler Hall or to Anelle. These huge amphitheatres. And we would watch a travelogue and believe it or not. You'll laugh at this if you're under fifty, you might laugh if you're over. A guy or GAL would go show. There are slides from their trip. And then stand at the podium and described the pictures. And my grandma would buy tickets to these things and even like nineteen seventy five, we thought it was a little hokey but you always wanted to go. As she never went on a plane and her life, even though her parents were from Germany, she was born and raised in Oakland. I didn't Oakland to died at a nursing home on fruitvale. But She, like going to those things can you imagine that nowadays someone showing slot but they were fun they were really good and I remember a guy. the one most memorable was Japan and he up saying again and again about how the Japanese people are so wonderful, they're so friendly and. And he was old and I think he was shocked by because he I think he expected to go over there. Like, he was going to Iwojima or something. I remember thinking when I was like eleven. That was like, why are you shocked that they're Nice. The people over there now you'd. There the generation after two generations after all that. Anyway. One eight hundred eight seven eight play speaking in New York City. The mets have GM name Brodie van wagon and he was the agent who said there's blood on the owners and will boycott spring training if we don't start seeing these free agents getting signed and the mets were so impressed they said, hey, run our team and be our GM. Well there he had issue an apology yesterday after a hot mic Thom Brennaman hot hamrick little caught him criticizing the commissioner on video. And I think, the thing that's most disturbing is not that he's criticizing is that he's sitting there with a mask on at the podium and he's playing with a chair. He's pulling the chair with his hand that he's not sitting in on two legs and lets it go and he pulls it onto legs. Let's ago but it was a pre-game press conference. And he was talking to somebody who wasn't identified. And he was criticizing the commissioner. And Jeff Pass and tweeted out the video and a transcript. And Wagon in says baseball's trying to come up with a solution to say you know what would be powerful re of us here can't leave this room. You know what would be really great. If you just have them all take the field and they leave the field and they come back and play at eight ten and I, was like what? In the identified voice who said that? Rob, and with Jeff Scheduling is going to be a nightmare and there's so much steak and I said Jeff does not, happen. And the voice said, they're not dealing with reality and why Nagin bandwagon and said quote they're not playing but that's rob's instinct and rob exactly what you and I were talking about at leadership level. He just doesn't get it doesn't get it anyway we're waiting Jeff wants to hear as soon as we hear from the Marlins, whatever we do, we need to coordinate with the marlins. Jeff's the owner by the way Jeff Wilpon Zun as Conforto here's from row Haas Miguel Haas. Let me know because you have to standing by for that call. Then, a second part of the video he says. Jeff wants to support the players first and foremost, but he has to be the Messenger for rob release throw that to us and I told Jeff that's not happening. These guys aren't playing I just stopped there. I wasn't even going to take that the MIC. Talking about the manager. And so van wagon in says that leaving the door open for an hour protest was his idea. And so van Wagon apologized. Well Jeff, wilpon called commissioner for this afternoon and how to find that our players would not play. They discuss the challenges of rescheduling the game proposed an idea of playing the game in our late I misunderstood that this was the commissioners idea in actuality this was jeff suggestion players already made their decision so I felt the suggestion was not helpful my frustration with the commissioner was wrong and unfounded I apologize to the Commissioner for my disrespectful comments and poor judgment in inaccurately describing the contents of his private conversations Jeff Wilpon. And Fred then says. Over the past few days, players on a number of clubs decided not to play games. I have said both publicly and privately that I respect those decisions and support the need to address social injustice I have not attempted in any way to prevent players expressing themselves by not playing nor have I suggested an alternative form of protests to any club player personnel or staff suggestions to the contrary is wrong. And then wilpon. came out. With his Dad Fred. Clear up. Any misunderstandings. It was my suggests into potentially look into play a game later because scheduling issues, brody's misunderstanding of a private conversation was and is inexcusable. We fully respect our players and the marlins players decision and I play and appreciate the sincerity of all those who wished to draw attention to social injustices. Racial inequalities that must be addressed. The entire mets organization remains committed to creating meaningful change in our society. And then the Old Dad said I am very stressed and disappointed to learn tonight that are general manager Brodie, Van Wagon and made disrespectful and inaccurate comments about our commissioner, a longtime close friend of mine. I hold in the highest regard and in no way are brody's remarks reflective of my views or the organizations rob continues to be a great leader of Major League Baseball I apologize for any harm. This incident has caused rob. Well. Look we'll see what happens now. 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But anyway. There was a video eric trump. which posted a doctor video of trump's head. On top of Roy Williams. From, of course, in North Carolina head coach from seen in two thousand sixteen when he was celebrating in the locker. Room? The University of North Carolina find a complaint twitter, which has since removed the video after a terminal violated the social media websites, copyright policies. So Eric Trump put backstage last night at the Hashtag aren see. I guess American, flags the all of the stars and it says content is not available. It was removed. But spokesperson for North Carolina. Said this in the edited clip, a reference to the Republican. National Convention, which concludes Thursday night trump's head is on Williams body. Other prominent conservative figures including Donald, trump junior eric trump commentator herons, k Williams, and rapper Kanye West who's running for president as independent are edited into video and some UNC players such as twenty seventeen. ACC Player of the year Justin Jackson have red. Make America. Great. Again, hats edited on their heads are profoundly disappointed that political messaging would be made using the video without our permission that shows our players coach and uniform from inside our locker room celebration without our permission. Yeah. So these are the things you tweet out and worry about later I guess, okay. North Carolina says not us. They just had. To. Write Thanks tuning in every weekend and Sunday night nine PM Video Game Review. Otherwise Monday nine am pack time we'll see them. We don't have brain damage. You're listening to the heartland use radio network at live dot hotline, Newsfeed, Dot Com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by us. Follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. A rally in Washington DC is going on for equality injustice Martin Luther King. The third says his father's dream has not been fulfilled today. 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GOING, everybody Bryan Alvarez here on wrestling observer live. We are here every day Monday through Friday new Pacific three eastern Sunday three Pacific sixties terms. Well normally on Thursday, we talk about a w dynamite, but we can talk about it today because the show was last night lots of preemption changes. Everybody's going day by day. In fact, last night is they were running down the card for next week show Jim Ross flat out said. We believe the she'll be on Wednesday. But. Who Even knows with everything going on in the world but we can talk about the show last night there were in fact fans who bought tickets to attend the show that attended last night and man who vince hears about that he's GonNa blow his stack because his goal was to be the first to have fans back and now he is not so he Talked about that, what they did for social distancing, what they did to attempt fans safe as well as all the matches on the show everything leading to all out big angle, but the hangman and so much more. But obviously when we come back from the break, one of the big things to talk about today is the passing of a bullet Bob Armstrong who had. been suffering from cancer and pretty much decided I'm going to get any treatment whatsoever and even just a couple of months ago he was he was showing up at meeting with his family working out lifting weights but didn't want treatments. So we'll tell you about the life of bullet Bob. 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March Scott tweeted his dad came over for a workout despite bone cancer in his ribs shoulder and prostate. All of which he refused treatment for his wife Vita had died in late June us. Marine. Born at Joseph James began his career in nineteen sixty in. Georgia. NWEA mainstay in the southeastern us before retiring in nineteen eighty eight, he retired in nineteen, eighty eight although I believe his last match was in twenty. Nineteen. That's how retirements go in pro wrestling. He appeared for smoking ban rushing ww impact wrestling where he was maybe the best promo on impact as well as various indies. Incredibly George born powerhouse wrestled his last match twenty nineteen, a career that spanned six decades. All four of his sons also got into the business and lengthy careers Brian gain fame as the road dogg. W W still works for the company's one of the writers for an team Brad. Was a standout with Nwea in WWe passed away in twenty twelve Steve Russell for more than ten years. Joe Has Been in the business since nineteen eighty-three that'd be Scott. Armstrong. For several top organizations including it. WWe. Bob held a litany of titles. midsouth southeastern varies other NWEA affiliates w Hall of fame in twenty eleven. said to talk about the death of Bob Armstrong Mike. Any thoughts? In absolute legend if he grew up in the southern part of the country in Georgia Alabama Tennessee Florida in the seventies into the Eighties Bob Armstrong is assuredly one of your favorite pro wrestlers and is probably one of the best promos that you've ever heard he was. A just eight absolute megastar in the territorial days you know people criticize guys like Bob Armstrong Sometimes Oli Anderson. Why didn't they travel more Bob Armstrong recalled traveling to Minnesota and working for Verne Ganja and going up in the wintertime and going no I. Think. I can go ahead and at shout my career down South and he absolutely did was a big part of a lot of great things that took place. A his gimmick was that he was A. Marine that became a firefighter they got in the pro wrestling and he was himself and he cut promos. So, naturally, the likes of which. I mean just an all time Promo and I I. I'm not sure people really really understand how good of a promo that he was just go back to youtube and watched some of the banter that he'd have with Roddy Piper, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two in Georgia which was a big feud at a time or Roddy Piper Bliss. So hot he was feuding in mid Atlantic with Jack Brisco and he was feuding at the same time down in Georgia with the Armstrong family and it was absolutely awesome and if it wasn't for Bob Armstrong I, mean. He when the set the split happened in Georgia in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, there was a big promotional spirit and all south in Georgia championship wrestling split apart he was one of only two people that did not leave the end of a enjoying all south and that put him in the good graces of the end of you a and he had lived up to every position that he was put in. He became a star on national television Georgia championship wrestling when that was beamed up on the satellite in nineteen seventy six, he was a star in Florida feuding with buddy Cole and with Bill Watts. into the eighties like I mentioned with Roddy Piper though the great promos back and forth where he would get the best of Roddy Piper at the end, which was not easy to do but it helped him to really make the feud in signify insecure. The fact that you know this young punk comes up a Bob Armstrong the tough oh man is still going to get the last word and he was a legitimately tough man in the eighties. Tore off his nosy blasted his face. He was weightlifting in the bar came down on him and it ripped his nose off and it smashed space in and as that the reconstruction took place, they were able to save him. He wore a mask as the bullet and ended up continuing to Russell, and then later on rejoined Brad on national television and the end of UA one. Thousand nine hundred, eighty, six, hundred, eighty, seven, wrestling for Jim Crockett promotions, and then ultimately retiring for the first time and really I guess for good in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight when the knoxville in in in continental wrestling areas kind of dried up and Robert Fuller got out of the business there. That's about when he was done, but he would still come back can. Be Very very valuable including his most famously in smoky mountain wrestling is the commissioner where he famously ripped off his tie. That was a clip on time one set came off. He was back in business to do some damage. Jim coronet was a member of TNA where he continued to wrestle and be involved in storylines and just an absolute legend and the greatest patriarch of the. Greatest Wrestling family I know somebody in Calgary is GONNA disagree I'm sure somebody in El Paso's going to say it's the Guerrero but you know you look at the work that Brad in Brian and Scott and Steve you know the their body of work. I mean it's hard to really you know at least a work point of view they may be the best of all time. You want is text message about bullet Bob or anything else today it's easy to do so forty, five, seven, eight, zero, seven, five, six, six. So in about half hour. So we will have the readings for a w on Thursday. Night we have the numbers for ethics unopposed on Wednesday Eight, hundred, twenty, four, thousand viewers. And eighteen to forty, nine, twenty, four, th on cable with a point to four rating. So I had a bunch of emails here. This person here, eight, hundred, twenty, four, thousand, not a good number for exte-, they would likely be in the seven hundred thousand range of NBA didn't cancel their games all of this without dynamite as competition listen I think that the number they did was good because if you look at the top twenty for cable. Even though there was no NBA and even though there was no dynamite as competition. The Republican National Convention and Hannity going head to head both of those did seven million viewers. Which is about five times more than the NBA playoffs have been doing. And, if you look at the top twenty one. The weather channel. Seven of the top twenty one spots were the weather channel. Every single one of them was over a million viewers. A few of them were two million viewers. I, mean between the convention, the coverage of the convention and everybody tuning into the weather channel I. Mean They had monstrous competition on Tuesday nights. Yes. There was no wrestling. Yes there was no NBA but annexed audience is old and a lot of old people watching the weather channel and the convention, and you know what a lot of young people were as well. Those eighteen forty, nine numbers for the convention and the Weather Channel, I? Mean they were sky high this is all ranked. These charts are ranked by eighteen to forty nine. And Number One was the convention number two was Hannity and there were seven weather channels in the top twenty one, all ranked by eighteen to forty nine. So it was a it was a very difficult night for competition and they did eight, hundred, twenty, four, thousand. So I think that's pretty good. And you dare. Ask Me for a text from Mother Nature if she took over my body, put me to sleep your doubting Mother Nature Mother Nature is the real ratings God. It's the real demo gods. So let Jericho be better beware of this case he's GonNa play that crews, and that thing actually goes off whenever this Cova. itself up be careful. Mother. 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So you buy tickets for your family and you show up at the building contactless entry everybody needed a mobile tickets everybody was required wear masks and all of the paws were situated at greater than six feet apart. So if Mike and I live together, we buy tickets to person. pod We go to the building. We sit right next to each other and we are more than six feet away from whoever's in the. Next Pot and the next pot gotta wear your masks got a social distance. If you don't wear your mask, they can kick you out and it's an open air arena. It's everything that you can possibly do to keep. This is safe as humanly possible. Obviously, nothing is a hundred percent safe. But if you're going to run shows and you're going to have fans, I, mean there is no safer way to do it. So that's what they did and Shelton Benjamin got very angry about it tweeted something on twitter I didn't remember he was that he was outraged about something. And What can you do? Can you do if you're gonNA, do it this way you have to do it I mean it's even safer than the way new Japan's doing is there's there's shows are inside. So. Yeah. But they're lake demand I mean they. They could require people not to breathe. They'd be asking them not to breathe. Well, they kind did they told him not to scream well, that's they can't. They really can't cheer or Boo which is Adam Summers and I talked about that today on the big audio. Recorded for subscribers a bit if we're W, online DOT COM. I still it drives me nuts I if they're going to let people in your allow them to clap. At least if sell tickets and have them. Make them cost more, but let people be able to make some noise it just it drives me nuts that they them in and then they they're not allowed to make any noise or giving them gimmicks on their phone that impressed to make booing and cheering sounds, which is like canned laughter. I just it's it drives me nuts it just I don't know I don't like it at all I know some people do I assuming we will not have to deal with this at the the Jinju Stadium show this weekend, but we'll see. I the year says I want to know your opinion on the dark order celebration i. feel the bt Jokes dragged the segment and honestly a few minutes could have been shaved off to make room for the Sami Hardy main. event. Listen I I agree listen I liked the segment because I think Brodie Lee is great. But. The Lawn Mawr Gimmick for those you have no idea what's going on with the lawn more. It is a bt running gag where long story short the elite thought they were GonNa get a chilly sponsorship. Hangman was GONNA uses money to buy a lawnmower. Ends up with the dark order getting the sponsorship and because they hate the hangman, they ended up buying six lawnmowers to rub it into his face. Okay now. If you only watch dynamite. You have absolutely no idea why there were lawnmowers out there on the stage. Chris Jericho doing commentary on a number of occasions said I have no idea why they have lawn mowers? Okay. If you've got a gag that you're doing bt then do the gag on bt. But if you're doing a story line on E.. You can't just throw it on national television with no explanation including from the announcers who have no idea about it. Now, it only mildly bothered me because it was so quick but. It bothered me later because the main event of the show they went like two minutes they went to a commercial and they came back with like four minutes left and it was all rushed and everything about it was just what's going on boom boom boom boom, the show's over. The main event with with Matt. Hardy and Sami. It was a tables match. They didn't have enough time. They weren't able to tell the story they wanted to tell because I had to watch it twice to try to figure out why Matt Hardy is it a control and he can't get a rope and Sami Soup bus through table and wins. It was way too rushed and I think part of that was because the dark order segment went onto long and quite frankly if they would have gotten rid of the lawn mower stuff in a few of the other bt spots from there, it would have been better more concise and you had more time for the main event that was my thought. I agree one, hundred, percent and This is going to get me yelled at by some really hardcore A. W. stands but. Guys aren't as funny as they think they are some times and I know we're in a generation. There's a lot of ironic humor. There's a lot of laughing in the dead Pan that would come after the joke you know that gets sometimes more of laugh in the joke joke does that's just okay. But MJ is an example of your taken this too far A. Guy, who's really talented who can pull it off and you're really taken the edge off of them by making them such cartoon and there's a different case of comedy infiltrating the show in the negative fashion for me. But you know I, know you want to have him out there. You WanNa utilize them to the fullest of his abilities. But I don't think they do that. They turn them into a one track of quite often whether it was don rickles the insult machine or a now this I mean he's a human cartoon. There's one thing to be Jim Cornet and have some you know loss into the mix. There is no. A. Lot of. Has He hasn't been rusting them either but my God a to me it is way overdone and I I don't think I'm the only one who who believes this I'll probably get torched for it but I, know I'm not the only one who believes this they gotta stop beating it to death and the whole deal the lawyer, and maybe he gets his come up and we never see the lawyer again after next week but it has not been a welcome part of the game for me. I'm fine with Moxley killing the lawyer on five with and killing the lawyer. He goes away for good. The lawyers performance over the last couple of weeks to me. I. Highly. Recurring character but the Velasco, it has been a part of the character. The last couple of weeks he's been there for weeks and he's going to get killed next week. Okay, like I'm saying, the whole routine including the lawyer has become a little bit long in the tooth for me and I don't think it's the best utilization of MJ avenue I don't I think it's very one track and I just don't think it's it's becoming some people in his funniest. Some people think it is Well, we're on two different pages then I think the lawyers awesome and this is classic pro wrestling. You have a really annoying guy and he's going to. Get dropped right on his head with a death writer and he's GonNa be dead, and that's going to be the end of the lawyer these for the time being maybe he'll come back in a neck brace later but he's getting his next week or he doesn't get his at MGM somehow except I can't even imagine them doing that it's not me Moxley's not doing a job to the lawyer. If this were raw moxy probably doing a job to the lawyer, don't even the. please. Don't even consider that banter up there. Don't don't please my. God. No. Says some fans thinking hangman is turning heel not realizing the storyline will only turn of into the biggest baby face daily. Well, if you watched the show last night, they did everything that anybody with a brain would figure was going to happen because they basically told you the week before what was going to happen the revival convinced the hangman what happens if the bucks win this deal and then they go to the pay per view and they beat you guys what's going to happen to you. They're basically telling him to screw the bucks. So he comes out and he screws the bucks, but he is not happy about it, and later in the show if you notice he sitting there at the bar. And the Young Bucks Storm in there I mean Matt Jackson's practically in tears. And on the Bar, our two beers now. Two Beers for the revival or were the two beers for the young bucks hangman tries to talk. But the young bucks they just talk right over him. Let Him, get his his two cents in and they kick him out of the elite they slam the door the door breaks the glass breaks. He looks in the mirror and he sees a broken reflection of himself. Now, that's much better. Pro Wrestling than what's going on with MGM goofy lawyer that other horsecrap a far more intrigued with this stuff this stuff has been played out much well here's the deal think about all of the possibilities here. Okay. Clearly clearly hangman second guessing is decision before he even did it. Okay. So there's a lot of possibilities here it could be. That hangman. Thinks that he's GonNa, end up with tr but they used him and they they kick him to the curb. He has no friends now. And is a loner fight his way back to whatever is fighting his way back to could also. Could also be that Kenny Omega. Who has been teasing a heel turn forever maybe Kenny was the guy that put the hangman up to it and hangman was going to try to explain what's going on here but it was too late. The bucks booted him out and if you if you watch it, I mean of the to the original idea clearly was the hangman was turning heel then hangman got super over and in what universe you turn this guy he'll Kenny Omegas the guy that could turn heel especially if Kenny Omega is. Going to be feuding with boxy for the title. So it could be they'd Kenny Omega set him up and he's the fall guy, and of course, it all comes out later that this was all kenny part of Kenzi altern we'll find out but hey, there's a million ways they can go and unlike another promotion I'm pretty confident that they have a plan here it it's not just some wacky swerved that they did and they're gonNA, figure out tomorrow where it goes I'm quite they know where it goes. Plant seeds and things can matter when you do things. Logically, if you do need to make changes if you do need to have to change some things up, you're able to do so and lay things out logically. 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Where eight of the tickets to fans for the first time since the pandemic to cold Saturday on sale for this Wednesdays, dynamite ed next Saturday's all out pay per view from dailies. Aws sold ten percent capacity for Thursday's live Dynamo tapings and said in a previous release if all went smoothly. They would expand up to fifteen percent for future shows, which is believed to be around eight hundred tickets. I. Guess. They sold about five hundred tickets for yesterday's show. On sale will be on both ticketmaster and dedicated ticket website thirty, five dollars for dynamite fifty dollars for all out vanity separated out in teaching pods of between two and six people that are in the same party. Awa President Tony Kahn tweeted some frustrations earlier this week when Nicole ticket resellers attempted to usurp the initial on sale process I. Think they were trying to sell tickets to pods. With people who weren't I can explain this. So like they were tried to sell me a ticket and separate via ticket are in two different places in this country for the same pod, which is not how the pods were supposed to work. Fans will also need wear masks have their temperature scanned in order to gain access. So someone asked about that a few. Maybe about a week ago. Why they were putting tickets on sale for. The pay-per-view but they are so. There you go. There you go. Well, and hey, another ticket news or I guess it's not really any ticket news but there is an event that they'll be selling tickets to ensure at some point. The collective shows the game changer wrestling shows which included effigies brunch and bondage a go go and Josh Barnett's bloodsport and you name it Joey Danilo Spring break all that sort of stuff The collective twenty twenty twitter has announced that the shows. have been rescheduled. So they are apparently there's to be word coming at some point. I don't know if it's going to be later on today or in the next upcoming days where this stuff that was missed out on on Wrestlemainia weekend looks like it is all going to take place again and will take place together in one location. So something to keep an eye on there for anybody that was missing out on the main e-experienced. Jesse in the chat has been a couple of dynamite shows says the temperature scans are not forehead scans? It's a free standing infrared full body scanner will say what now you heard me. I don't know what that means but. It's Basically. They they do temperature for your whole body and not just your head I. Guess the billionaire money as a shot at stats. Dad's money right there. God bless lured I'm sure that Tony Kahn can afford the standing infrared scanners since the company is already profitable while I'm saying shot that's what I'm saying sheds money though but he's the one who started this early chats money do you? Know he paid if he paid them back yet I have no idea. What the with of this is they tone come on the show and let us know what the deal is going on bring it bring mookie on this movie it'd be able to talk to him on these shows. Brandon Harrington has been all you know taken Harrington or not of Brandon Thurston he's not around anymore but Chris hair. Never. Mind could. Almighty. Mike. You for a few minutes, so he can recover. Downhill after the Bob strong bio. So all right W announce on social media that they are adding to the pay per view Sunday, rain, dominic, versus Seth and Murphy. which we saw in raw and which had a de Kooning if I recall correctly. So for payback Sunday right now we have the fiend versus Braun strowman versus Roman reigns. In a no holds barred triple threat match. which is no different from a triple threat match because there's no D. cues except they thought it would be cool to other words no-holds-barred. Key Levers Randy Orton. Sasha. Banks in Bailey versus Shayna and Nyah Jacks. Apollo versus Lashley for the US title. And the tag match we talked about we also have. A smackdown here tonight. We have got big easy appearing on MS TV they've announced that. and. I guess that's it boy I can't wait apparently this was all the Mizzen Biggie of apparently been going back and forth on social media and random shows that they never tells anything about they may as well like lawnmowers onto talking smack tonight for all we know about any of this, but we'll see what happens on on the show tonight. And also three K. vacating the I W GP junior heavyweight tag titles show made the announcement there not dissolving the team but since Yo- is out of action they are unsure of a return date they are vacant titles Yo is out with a left knee injury. So. There you go. Vacant titles maybe me and filthy can team up in. When those offline the. Road One but unfortunately I've retired so. Snuck happen another thing Dataman I. talked about him. The big audio nightmare today was no matter what the status of Yo was going to be show should be in the g one no matter what no matter who else is going to be able to come over for a foreign country however, this whole thing is going to go down shows got. To be involved in it. He I'm not saying that the the team they'll never team up again or anything like that. But he's a singles junior ace right now and I don't know if he's going to be a singles junior as for for all that long either you see how Hiromu has been treated. You see the trajectory of some guys who were. who used used to be way too small to be stars in new, Japan and how that whole ballgame has changed and I. That guy is a legitimate future superstar and I think he's going to be in the mix with a lot bigger names sooner rather than later in the match you have with Sonata was great I felt Sonata. Fantastic in IT I. Thought show got the best out of him and the way show sold his knees throughout the whole thing. I thought it was fantastic. So he's gotTa be a guy again this may be this is going to be tough for yo whenever he comes back we'll see how Rocky Romero the coach takes care of everything year but chose shows going to be Star got. People the Chad here questioning my retirement listen. I'm not playing Bob Armstrong here everybody I'm retired. You'll never see me Russell match again. Near me I'll even I'll even throw out throwing money to everybody in the chat right now if you ever seen the ring again I'm done finished. I'll say this person was asking about the ring of honor tapings I was told that they were very happy with them. You're going to see them on TV soon. And we're going to have some ring of honored guests on the show in coming weeks to talk about what happened there. Those tapings will have lowering of honored guests and New Japan guests. It will try to get some aid w guests on it seems we can get guests from everywhere except for one promotion. then. When we have these guests, I've these people on the Internet saying So biased not having w guests on. Roth instruments, similar data, my hands. Out of my hands. Spurs in says Jose W. Needs to clean the storytelling to hell with bt they must make it clear. What the hell they're talking about I don't watch bt not my jam but at the very least make clear what the references are to dude if you watch Awa on TNT. I can't. I can't think of one other. Bt reference outside of the lawnmowers. Anybody. Send it to me I can't think of one. One time they did this guy's freaking out about it. Defending it w is done more than they have in terms of insight references with stuff that happened on the bump that they never once talked about on television. They never told you what the bump was a single time on national television on any show, and now we've got to talking smack angle who I mean. I. Guess Talking Smack is where the Biggie MS thing came from but I saw no footage of this on raw. Hopefully. They'll have footage of it on smackdown tonight but they're building up a smackdown show on Fox, a show that two million viewers last week some angle on the Internet. Would say girls named Danny, Burnett let's Demi- Demi-. Yeah. Why does she keep showing up? How does that keep I have no earthly idea maybe they've talked about it on the bulb but I don't know she's just there as the guest of Angel Garza the apparently okay. As a viewer here's the story leading with Demi. Okay. Angel Garza's ladies man. Charlie wants angel. But Angel, the ladies man has never made a move. Okay. So then he found this Demi Burnett. And he invited her to rod to be his guest. Demi comes, to. Raw. And then she starts hooking up with a bunch of other wrestlers including Ivar. Angell the ladies man keeps bringing her to raw where she keeps going after other men. Okay. If there's more to it, they never told me that's the story line that is a viewer of national. Television. What kind of thorough is a Garza I've seen no evidence of it whatsoever he used to kiss women but now there are no women to kiss I guess you could go screens. I mean He. He proposed to his girlfriend on t, and then the very next week he's hitting on random women. He's never sealed the deal to my knowledge. Sounds to me like this is worse than the lawnmowers. Telling. Laura Lisa's bad. Telling lies to women not kissing women on the mouth that he brings around letting women. He brings around with other people in Hingis standing by letting it happen. It sounds like he's gone from Lothar Yoda pimp. What? The sand. No, he doesn't want her to go with. Ivar. He's shocked every time it happens. You don't know what his range man as far as I know the one time that he asked both Demi and Charlie out on a date Charlie turned him down so. What Lothar thorough. Everyone thinks that Shelton was upset about the Republican National Convention Well, I don't know. At near evidence is that he said fifteen hundred people do what I watched eighty. I didn't know how many people were in the audience. What he was mad about. Shelton Benjamin he's always about something that dude is is stay surly for most of the time so. Percents I just wanted to say how much these real life fans on wls night made all the difference shows L. important. They are to pro wrestling. Vince will definitely blow a gasket because he you why he's GonNa blow a gasket. because. His goal. Lettuce that he wanted fans at summer. Slam. So not only did he not get fans at summer? Slam. But the week of summer slam his. Put. Fans. In. The, building. Someone's going to have to tie that guy to a chair. Isn't going to be good. It's not gonNA be. Good. Shall Benjamin another Shelton Benjamin here for the Republican National Convention maybe was. You're talking with me about there's no baby faces in the four-way annexed exte- Match Dude. Did. You hear the show yesterday. There's no baby fae there's no talk baby face Dexter loomis. Dexter loomis. Dexter loomis next lease the top baby face main inventor in annex t right now and he's out injured. Number two is Damian priest. Currently holds the secondary title and he's feuding with the secondary wrestler. So I can't even say him as far as close into a thumb main event in the title picture four and Exte- or conceivably in the title picture. Texture loomis is the top baby face. Anyway. Person's thinking that day be coal is can be the baby-faced. We'll see more about this the breakup observer life. Airlines have reduced their prices even more thirty days in advance and save big want the absolute lowest prices on your airline tickets. Then call the low cost airlines travel hotline right now for prices so low, we can't publish them anywhere. 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Believe that Adam Cole is going to be the top babyface and I've turned baby-faced three weeks ago. But. Then all of a sudden next thing you know their heels again. Now I do think that undisputed is going to break up. And I think of undisputed breaks up. Yes. You could have the three of them. All turn on Adam Cole. Or what I think would be better is you have Adam Cole and Kyle Riley split they're both baby faces and then. rutta strong and Bobby Fish are heels. They can do blow a tasty matches. Adam Cole can be in the title picture its face, a lot of things that you can do. So I think that's what's going to happen because. Dude. They just got rid of baby face keithly they just got rid of baby face, Matt Riddle, and then to Moscow CIAMPA returns and he's an immediate. He'll and velveteen dream whatever you want to say about velveteen dream he returned and he immediately turned heel there are no top baby faces. So there has to be turn in the near future, and if you watch the show on Wednesday I, mean there was a beating by undisputed that Kyle O'Reilly wanted no part of so I think that him and colour turning, and for all I know they could shoot the angle during the iron man match because like they need a baby face pronto. So that's my prediction. Well, you know if the Armstrong family that was a family, a great workers with a great tradition of that when you have wwe have shows with a great tradition of not being able to make good baby faces on time. Right, everybody right at time. Want to thank you all for listening here. Today I'll be back later today for subscribers at Wrestling Observer, dot com exclusive podcast with Lance, storm talking all the news for wrestling and mixed martial arts. 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The Post reports in the days between the forecast to win the storm roared inland the hurricane center barely wavered from its prediction even as hundreds of computer model simulations forecast landfall locations as far flung as Florida and Mexico Meantime Covid nineteen is created its own storm surge a surge in the number of people seeking mental health treatment that's according to the National Alliance of mental illness in Texas from March to April Nam Texas executive. Director. Greg. Hatch, says, I saw three hundred percent increase in calls from people due to anxiety depression difficulty sleeping and. Other symptoms most said, they'd never experienced before he says, most colors are aged fifty, five or older. They're looking for resources origin someone to talk with about their anxieties. It's definitely a lot of the isolation concern. Probably, the second biggest would be uncertainty around their personal finances. Experts recommend that people experiencing mental health issues try to follow a routine get fresh air and exercise eat well and use clinical mental health services as needed I'm Roz Brown many Texas also face another source of anger in the past ten years. State residents have been hit with fifteen federally declared major disasters for storms or wildfires six of them in the Houston. Area. Demands for social justice in cities like Kenosha are linked to racial inequities deeply rooted in the nation's history researchers say these gaps are more prominent in Midwestern states like Wisconsin many recent protests are sparked by high profile police shootings. Those cries also appointed systemic racism and recent studies find the mid. West has some of the worst outcomes for black residents Laura Dresser. The Center on Wisconsin Strategy says when blacks fled to these states in the days of slavery they. May Have found job stability in some cities but housing policies pave the road for future problems because of the residential segregation and because of the racism and discrimination in outlying areas it made at moving to where economic opportunity grew much more difficult dresser contributed to a twenty nineteen report led by the Economic Policy Institute that said all twelve Midwestern states have deep racial disparities in areas from education at jobs to health and home ownership I'm Mike Mohan. This is PMS. Now. From another state issue been following as a school year begins parents who are students face enormous challenges brought on by the pandemic Mary Ann de Mario Runs a program at Monroe Community College in Rochester, New, York to support single students. Pre Pandemic. Our student parents were among the most at risk of students. They had financial poverty. They had time poverty since the pandemic has begun all of the difficulties that are student parents were experiencing. You still work have only become magnified. She notes finding affordable childcare is the most pressing issue among the twenty seven hundred students at her school nationwide nearly four million US undergraduate. Students are parents guardians of children under the age of eighteen and the Connecticut, and society facing up to its mixed legacy racism with an open letter an essay acknowledging that its namesake was a slave owner John James Audubon was a nineteenth century ornithologist and painter who extensively documented America's bird population Patrick comments who heads the Connecticut Audubon Society released an open letter on Thursday calling Audubon. Figure in the birding world and an artistic genius who nonetheless had a terrible dark side he owned slaves he traded slaves and he told and even probably told the story of having captured some former escaped slaves and returning them back to their former masters at gunpoint. Suzanne Potter finally are Mary Sherman tells us there is some encouraging news about. Potential for wind energy development. The seventeenth state spanning the central U. S. are known as the belt with roughly eighty percent of the nation's current and planned wind energy capacity in Jeff Walk with Nature Conservancy in Illinois says his group's new mapping tool called wind right uses wind land use in wildlife data to detect areas where conflicts between development and wildlife are likely to be. Minimal. We've identified low risk areas in that wind belt that could generate something on the order of one hundred Gigawatts of energy, which is roughly equivalent to the total energy generation potential that the United States. Has Today in Illinois roughly two million acres are available for wind development. Walk says if that was built out, it could generate enough energy to power city the size of Chicago. Walk sees wind energy development as an integral part of meeting the nations climate goals. However, he notes when it isn't properly planned win development can negatively affect wildlife and ecosystems in part because it requires large areas of land, we need to be fully supportive of a rapid transition to renewable energy sources. I'm Mary Sherman. This is my version. Thank you for wrapping up your week with Public News Service. Remember listener supported. You could hear US radio stations began small, and of course, online at public news service DOT ORG. It all comes down to this. District Gaming vs Warriors Gaming Squad the NBA Two K. League title four hundred twenty thousand dollars, and the biggest bragging rights in eastport saw on the line. Gradient. The exclamation point. Return it it'd be to k League finals delivered by door coverage begins this at seven PM. Eastern on ESPN, two twitter and Youtube. This is not a game. And listen to Manas about the. Yeah. 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In New York City, the ten minute advertising for the Queensboro Realty company cost one hundred dollars that station would evolve into w NBC then Wfan. The first all sports station in nineteen, fifty, five, a black teenager from. Russia. Cargo Emmett till abducted and killed by white men after he supposedly whistled at a white woman in this society, the original case resulted in an acquittal. But afterwards, the accused murderers admitted they their guilt to a look magazine report and not only showed nowhere Morris. They saw nothing wrong with the killing case reopened in two thousand five. But so much time at pass. There was insufficient evidence to bring any charges against anyone still alive. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, three on this date Martin, Luther King, gave his famous I have a dream speech at the Lincoln Memorial the civil rights demonstrators I have a dream. That one day on the Red Hills George. Sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners. Will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood I have a dream. One day. Even, the state of Mississippi state sweltering with the heat. Injustice. Sweltering with the heat of oppression. Be Transformed into an oasis of freedom and just as I have a dream. My four little children. One day in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of skin but by the content of that character I have tree into. That we can live up to that dream. Is My further and most heartfelt wish. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, anti-vietnam war protesters and police clashed in the streets of Chicago while the Democratic National Convention nominated Hubert Humphrey for. President. Sounds of violence on the streets of Chicago. In. The Democratic National Convention or just outside the nominating call. On this date in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight. In nine hundred one, the Centers for Disease Control Announce the medical task force had been formed to look into the instance of Kaposi Sarcoma and newmark sissies in homosexual men aid is later found to be the cause. And it was on this date fifteen years ago today a mandatory evacuation order by New Orleans Louisiana Mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana. Governor. Kathleen Blanco as Hurricane Katrina moved nearer to Louisiana. Meteorologist or an expert that I've talked to that says, this storm will not impact lawns in the major way. As a result of that. I am this morning. Declaring, That, we will be doing a mandatory evacuation but mayor Nagin 's order was too little too late. Many people stranded left behind. Many people insured. Wounded and otherwise traumatized by. What Hurricane Katrina did Louisiana. A lot of people want to put the the onus on President. George W Bush. But between? Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco. They have their dramatic share to proclaim as to what went on. In new? 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Thanks for tuning in on this Friday edition of Classic Radio Theater, and now I wish it could have been longer show, but it was just a summer replacement. Peter Laurie mystery in the air from seventy three years ago August twenty, eighth nineteen, forty, forty-seven. Mystery in the air. Scarring. Peter Laurie. Redden's was demand man Philip. Gentry or Reverend Pius or whatever other name he may choose an eternity. The man whom we buried today. That night when he stood above my bed pouring pioneer and bitterness into my ears thinking that I was paralyzed I could boots contrite. And paralysis had been gone for many days. I did not. Speak. Because I knew what bill gentry would do what had to do? And murderer though he walks. Each week at this hour meter Laura brings us the excitement of the great stories of the strain Jindong use your. Darkened. Compelling masterpieces. From, the four corners of world literature. I beyond good and Evil Narine leader Laura. Reverend. Good Evening Good Evening Lucy's Mackillop's dealer awake Oh. Yes. We don't put him to bed until later later. This evening service over already is it over Shame on, you lose your daughter and you forget there is no service on Wednesdays 'cause. You come to read the fourth round. This little. I can do if he were able to let us know in some ways I can tell by is. Whenever you're here they fairly glow I suppose that helpless as he is not able to speak or even to ride my my visits or at least a diversion here, much more than a diversion. Here is hope not. The Lord is hope how Yes lord struck him down with paralysis and Time the Lord will surely free him from it. Well, I'll go in and try to. Cheer. Him Up. Good Evening Reverend Mackillop. Gritty evening. Good evening. Good evening. He S, Mackillop you'll hang on my every word and and you never talk back you never have except once in and after tonight you won't get the chance. SPEAK UP REVEREND WHY don't you know of course, the cats got your tongue. Yes tonight is your last chance reverend tonight is the consummation finished the end act three gooden on a great play about death and redemption about good and evil, and I won't shrink from Your Eyes Mackillop. Seem Your eyes can kill, but I can kill I have the mind and the will and the hands. On. Have killed. One man you know and tonight. Tonight I'm going to kill again. Yes Reverend Mackillop. You know who I was before I became the Reverend Howard. He is passed of these good in Godly community and you know my real name, it's Phillip Gently. But but you never knew the of Philip Jenkins the contempt that some of evil that was in me that night all began United States. It's now three months ago. What a stormy night I I was crowding swamp with a man named Mac because we had just escaped from prison like animals in the deep mud and homes alien from the whole entire human race. It's entrance. Highway you it. Got? To. Make time before they like. The rain stops. Bring out the bloodhounds in the morning. Okay. Okay. You're the boss there's to highway. No. Defense. So what do we do now? What are we go up. COG related. Gus Gus space two or three weeks when a man and Won't let me down. Will you gentry asset? How meet you now get moving one? Own. Walked mind. And then I saw car. He was park close to the edge of the road. It's headlights almost blacktop the rain and then. Glow of what I knew was a flashlight I saw a man. Bending the rain struggling. Change a tire was alone. So I walked up to him. Hello Neat out total cook startled me sorry I didn't expect to see anyone this lead picked bad for flat yes and it's the second today I'm going to be awfully late. Come on. Let me no no, no. Thank you. But if you would hold the light Oh soon. A long way. From Detroit. I'm on the way to call. To get afternoon the new minister there my name's pierce notice you were a preacher as I'm taking role Reverend Mackillop at grace he's been in bad health so why I'm taking My. Stubborn can't seem to get on the reins. No really just is said, give me the rains right? It's awfully good of you give it. No wait I'm. going. To be. taught. ME. To. Uh. I hit him twice. I can't hear you now River Mackillop WanNa talk one at range bidding to flesh and bone or I swear to you that it was not my intention to kill and. I did I killed. Yes. When I put my hand on his chest heart stopped and and the Reverend Howard Pease. A Reverend P is dead. Very dead. So so I buried him. I. Buried Him in my prison clothes and soon, I I was dressed in his clothes. Oh I had on his decent Brad can turned around Colin. And I was rolling. This way. And at the city limits of Carlton. My, own district just. Stopped by traffic. Obviously you're licensed budding last since we are. Here Here is. Howard peers occupation. All Minister I didn't notice what is it officer s beating? We're checking all cars on this road. There was a break in the state pen to prisoners escaped page might come this way I see but I won't hold you up any longer reverend you're going far no call who say this is Carlton. or Yes, the signs say I get it Magin. Me Not catching on right away. Sure you must be the new preacher for Grace Church. Yes I am. I'm Charlie on I sing Grace Church Choir Baritone. You're going to the parsonage. Well it's a little tricky finding it. I'm going into headquarters not to go right by river. Mackillop's house asks you follow me. Thank you. So it's very nice of you. Lucy. Charleena guess who I'm delivering to you. It's Reverend Pierce he's getting out of the car. Who He expecting Lucy the boyfriend. Fiance Mr Tom Hubbard. Do GonNa. Get married anyway everybody well, here's Reverend Peers Reverend peers. Here's Lucy. Reverend Mackillop's daughter Hobby. Do I'll come in come in Reverend Piss. Expected you all afternoon. Two flat tires what shame we're father's waiting for you in his study. Barbeque Charlie Owen, brought reverend peas. Views or commune coming at you and Mr Owen wait outside for a few minutes. We hear every piece. I can't tell you how relieved I am to see you. I really couldn't bring myself to sleep tonight without first talking to you. You see the situation serious series where I've ever in my hill. I'm a sick man. I've had one stroke. As I wrote you I know I could have another one at any time. The doctor says the worst one. And I feel it essential the work of the parish should be infirm handles. This parish needs young men. Ryan. I hope to be of service I've heard only good of you reverend BS. Thank you and you know your even younger than you look really in the picture you sent. Tucker to your head I'm afraid it. Wasn't a very good like I have the picture here somewhere on disk with your letters where did you want to talk to me about the reverend kill all the worker the Parish Oh? Yes he is the photograph it's. Something around Mackillop. It's not who I not what this isn't your picture who are you I don't think that should interest you eat servings hepker. What did you do? What do you think I did? Kill. Come on go on guess guest don't. Don't you play with me you will sanctimonious fool you come on. Up St Com what's the matter with you? Oh, don't tell me. You had another stroke. That's right. You you can't speak can is that it? I'll ten in any case, I'll take that picture Mackillop and. We. Use Lose. Something has happened to your father we we were talking and. I'm afraid it's another stroke. He can't speak and apparently can't move. It do. We, we'll have to wait for the doctrine and maybe. Not Doctors paralyzed for months. Old. We have fade in. The Lord Despair. 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And you're in tune with Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station in episode of mystery in the Air, a summer replacement series sponsored by camel cigarettes as it was originally broadcast on Thursday August twenty, eighth nineteen, forty seven in the newspapers of that Thursday seventy three years ago. These were some of the headlines. Biting the BOB national bankruptcy. Britain's slash the food ration of its weakened fifty million inhabitants last night with a grim master. That also abolished the gas ration and foreign travel and threatened hardships worse than those of the gravest war years to meet ration was cut from one shilling. Pence or about twenty cents to one shilling twenty cents in one, thousand, nine, forty on the ration dropped to twenty cents for a four month period but it was all meat from carcasses. Now, the slim allotment, we'll be tethered with foreign corned beef. Be Government's war on ballooning living costs produce criminal charges, yesterday that the National Association of Real Estate Boards and the Washington Real Estate Board violated antitrust laws Attorney General. Clarke announced that a federal grand jury had indicted the organizations on grounds they conspired to fix commission rates for real estate alerts in the District of Columbia, the maximum penalty, a five, thousand dollar fine against each. Russia warned monthly last night that hotheaded attempts to tamper with the big diabetes power could wreck the United Nations. So Deputy Foreign Minister Gromyko delivered the warning in the UN Security Council as small Nathan delegates renewed their assault on the big power voting privileges and the US lashed out at Russia's frequent use of that privilege. Philadelphia landlord accused of refusing to refund overcharges to nine tenants quoting until the Moon Turns Green and quote committed the prison yesterday by Federal Judge James Grant for contempt of federal court. Secretary of state marshals top policy planner sped the Paris yesterday amid signs of Official Concern Europe may ask for considerably more American economic help. Possibly can get George F Kennedy Chief of Marshall's new policy planning. Board let by playing for consultations with other. American. Officials already in the French capital. rollicking legionnaires filling new. York almost bursting on the eve of their twenty Ninth National Convention her grim warning yesterday that the greatest menace of the field of international relations spacing. America is the aggressive spread of communism fostered and promoted by a powerful totalitarian state the blast against Russia in the form of the formal reporters allegiance. Foreign Relations Committee because the national. Executive, committee it turned the Marshall Plan of vital concern to every American and urged that the legion except the leadership in supporting the plan in. Congress. The American Federation of Labor yesterday pave the way for court tests of the Taft Hartley Labor Laws anti-communist provisions, and it stipulation that unions may be held liable for damages George Q Lynch President of the pattern makers league of the AFL. Ignored the Labor Relations Board ruling that only the boards noncommunist affidavit would be acceptable if the union wants to use it services, he instructed union officials not to file the. Affidavits, but the US affidavit forms provided by the Union. Filled out one of his own forms and said, it's John. FRY President of the AFL Metal Trades Department for filing with the National Labor Relations Board. The Senate House Economic Committee last night scheduled visits to cities from new. Hampshire. To Georgia as part of the nationwide inquiry and the high prices which Senator o'mahony the Democrat from Wyoming declared art retarding production o'mahony telling newsmen but consuming power of America is beyond the imagination of those business executives or retarding productions, I holding prices up. And some twenty-five members of the class of eighteen, ninety eight at the nor the grammar, school near Fort Atkinson Wisconsin took stock of their classmates now in their mid fifties or sixties every member of the class is still alive. And those some of the day's top news stories. WHO's reported in the newspapers of Thursday August twenty eighth nineteen, forty, seven on your radio mystery in the air starring Peter Laurie, which continues now classic Radio Theater. And since that first time wherever Mackillop, you've never open your mouth. Oh, you can stay. Stare as hard as you want that doesn't bother me because you're stay cannot kill but. As. You know. 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On our Saturday edition of Classic Radio Theater, the APP Scott, Fitzgerald Story, the diamond as big as the Ritz. And episode of Escape for Seventy Two years ago August twenty ninth nineteen. Forty eight. Now the conclusion of mystery in the air beyond, good and evil starring Peter Laurie from August twenty eighth nineteen, forty seven, seventy, two years ago today. Reverend Mackillop aging paralyzed unable to speak listens helplessly as Philip gentry criminal and murderer explains why he killed. Reverend. Pierce and assumed pierces close and deputy and describes his first sermon. and. So in conclusion, the friends remember the agony of our Lord was shared by through the. and. They were crucified beside him that he might be numbered among the transgresses and remember his words through one. Verily I say, unto the. Today Shell Dow be with me in paradise. We will sing him for under twenty six just as I am without one. That was my first. Tumen. River Mackillop. I saw your eyes when Lucy told you how how deeply moved to congregation whereas or you couldn't understand you just couldn't how such a thing could be done without faith but but I have been a lawyer and and I have done a lot without trades. Yes. I've been the ideal poss and you're looking for I. Wish you could ask, Young Hubbard. You don't know he called him. Reverend Pierce. MISSED IT I service Reverend I. Thought Out of your car. My Name's Hubbard Oh. Yes I know I know you are in a choir come on come in Mr Album make yourself comfortable. Thank you what Your Business Mr Hubbard I work at the bank chief teller chief talent a very responsible job for a young man like you has suppose it is but I don't have much more responsibility than the other tellers except at the end of the month and it's a strain and of the mind. For sure that's when I. You know I've never told anyone about this aging. So even with you, it's confidential. Naturally, not support concerned revenue. Here's something. You see the thirtieth of the month we move all I deposits to the federal. Reserve Bank here in. Two hundred, thousand dollars more. So you can see how I would want some people to know that you mean, you take the deposits alone on Oh gosh no, that'd be worse than it is no. There's an armored truck that comes to take the money. Surely, bank takes adequate precautions. Gun and there's an alarm system but. Well, the thing is I'm all alone. Sometimes when I'm sitting here at my desk, how easy it would be choir. Well, all somebody would have to do is shoot me through the glass door. Even, alarm rang it would be ten minutes for the police. Got There. After all, it's very quiet community. Besides what the director of the bank figure only possible danger I can see would be from from too many people knowing what you've told me. Wrong people you see you don't talk. Oh, reverend peers I never told a soul. That's Fades Mackillop I see I did a lot without faith but. Without faith in my own shining distance. Imagine out of all this communities thirty, five, thousand people have picked me me to share his secret even told me the tack didn't come for the money until nine thirty at night. As soon, as Hubbard had gone, I wrote a letter to Mac you remember I told Mac to wait for means Chicagoan, and in that letter I explained the setup and asked him to be at the bank at nine PM on thirty. The meantime, I, I continue to play my saintly part. received. Warm. Warm Love. Because even you could see what was happening to your daughter. Your own very beautiful daughter. Lucy. Yannis she. She fell in love with him and And believe me Lucy was a great help to me blinded by what she called. Love. Five a slip she was there to help me cover up and. What did I team? With locie as long as the word love serve me I used it but last week on Wednesday when I came in evening to read to you I I suddenly realized it could also be a source of great danger. Oh. How would. Your all waited for all days. Look at. You're losing your look. So happy I would have the most wonderful news. Guess. How can I guess? Well. I have never breathed word father about us you and me because you asked me not to not he can talk to. No haven't but the doctor was here today. And he told me father will speak again soon any day now Doctor doesn't know why hasn't already. Met Wonderful. Yes it is. How what's the matter? Nothing is the matter. There is I can see. Lucia and I was going to tell you before you see I can't marry you not ever. You can't please. Don't ask me why. Because you don't love believe me Lucy you. You just have to go on and live your life I is if you'd never met me. If. Never met you. You know what that means. Whatever it means means Mary Tom Hubbard new. Service. You'll be the one to make me miss his Tom who who did you say Tom Hubbard I'll be bankers life. News name before. Well no matter what you think. Lucia I'm sure you'll be happy. To have to go in and see a father and loosen tried to be brave when. Good Evening Reverend Michaela You. Voiceless brainless Hamas owned Reverend Michaela by I hear you may be able to talk again. Yes. I i. here's someday you're going to speak well, I have only one week to week. That's how one week and You are a danger therefore, I ought to kill you reverend I I want to kill you now. Don't ask me why didn't you? Reverend? Mackillop I I. Suppose it will always be distasteful to me too. It's a job for crew the minds, and if it happens that my knee habits turning a good deed now, and then that doesn't make voice. How does it? I might not like to think of Lucy only only two days marriage or soon to be a widow. So so soon in half an hour yes. Because in half an hour, MAC is going to shoot dumb. As he sits at his desk in half an hour I'll have two hundred, thousand dollars and I'll be free you he. While the Reverend. Philip Gentry. Understand do you know I doubt it? I doubt if you with your good book and and your years of tending the sheep, no rich green patches here could everyone understand one tenth or what a man like me feels doesn't matter. I, don't need your understanding. I. Don't Good Night Reverend and and sleep. Wow. Who is a to Me Reverend? Let me Reverend Pierce just a minute. I wanted to make sure. This is the NYPD truck I remember that you would find. Did you want something? Lucy's feeling sick. I. Came to send you. Home Lucy. But I can't I have to stay I can stay for you. Know I'm supposed to stand all the. Calling for you tim she's really sick. Yes. Well, all right. I guess with you here. It'll be alright. Tell me what to do. Well, that's the money right there already in those sects. I sit here right at this desk. I don't know what the directors will run along. Cam they'll never know. Even, if someone walks by from the outside, they'll never know if it's if it's me sitting here. Cutting right to. The. Head. The money ready. Matt. Mack. Kimmy gentry. But. Some screwy you Sydney. I didn't have a chance to tell you. Plans. gingery on this gentry I didn't mean to shoot Oh. Yeah. WE'LL KEEP IT A. Dying. I ain't gonNA leave you H and J. Think y'All going to me. They won't get Mac. I'm. Dying. You. Gone. Only. You won't be able to take the money. Plan is all change. Doesn't matter the money remember may one Coming. Into that King. Will you talk about entry? On the Bible Yeah. He would not. It's from. I. Said Bye. Stiff frames. Was the man Philip gingy. Arabian PS. Or whatever other name he may choose in? Man Whom we buried today. That night when he stood above my bed. Pouring defiance and business into my ears thinking I was paralyzed. I could both speak and write. By paralysis had been gone for many days. But I did not speak. Because I knew Philip gentry would do. What he had to do I knew what he denied. At to accomplish work because he had in. God's been. A man must have faith. Even though he denied that pay. That is why in spite of all, He protected my daughter's happiness. That is why he could not kill me. For the work, he did here had molded human spite of himself. Into a man who was truly. A Servant of God. To such a man, a lot would say, verily, I say unto you for today's Shalt Thou be with me. In Paradise. The artist's supporting Laurie. Tonight we're Henry Morgan is the voice of Mystery Peggy. Webber is Lucy John Brown as Reverend Mackillop, Howard Culver as Mac. Jack. Edwards junior as Hubbard and Russell. Thorson. His Reverend. Pairs. This is Michael Roy and Hollywood wishing you a pleasant good night there you have it from seventy three years ago twenty eight, thousand nine, hundred forty seven mystery in the air on Classic Radio Theater please do me a favor and thank this radio station support their advertisers. They pay the bills us to be here each time we're around here on this fine radio station and let. The station. No you're there to it. 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The National Hurricane Center predicted where it would come ashore within just over half a mile dot only did a pig location near the Texas Louisiana border but it forecasting Zach our it would cross the coastline two am eastern that comes from the Washington. Post. The Post reports in the days between the forecast of when the storm roared inland the hurricane center barely wavered from its prediction even as hundreds of computer model simulations, forecast landfall locations as far flung as Florida and Mexico meantime. covid nineteen is created its own storm surge a surge in the number of people seeking mental health treatment that's according to the National Alliance of mental illness in Texas. From March to April. Nam Texas Executive Director Greg. Hatch says they saw a three hundred percent increase in calls from people due to anxiety depression difficulty sleeping, and other symptoms most they'd never experienced before he says, most colors our age fifty five or older. They're looking for resources or just someone to talk with about their anxieties. It's definitely a lot of the isolation concern probably the second biggest. would be uncertainty around their personal finances. Experts recommend people experiencing mental health issues try to follow a routine, get fresh air and exercise eat well and use clinical mental health services as needed. I'm Roz Brown. Many Texas also faced another source of anxiety in the past ten years. State residents have been hit with fifteen federally declared major disasters for storms or wildfires six of them in the Houston area. Demands for social justice in cities like Kenosha are linked to racial inequities deeply rooted in the nation's history researchers say these gaps are more prominent in. Midwestern. States like Wisconsin many reason protests sparked by high profile police shootings but those cries also point to systemic racism in recent studies find the Mid West has some of the worst outcomes for Black Residents Laura address her of the Center on Wisconsin Strategy. So when blacks fled to these states in the days of Slavery They may have found job stability in some cities but housing policies pave the road for future problems because of the residential segregation and because of the racism and discrimination in outlying areas, it made at moving to where economic opportunity grew much more difficult dresser contributed to a twenty nineteen report led by the Economic, Policy Institute. That said, all twelve midwestern states have deep racial disparities in areas from education at drums to health and home ownership I'm Mike Mohan. This is ems. Now follow from another state and issue we've been following as school year begins parents who are students face enormous. Brought on by the pandemic Mary, and Morio runs a program at Monroe Community College in Rochester. New York to support single students. Our student parents were among the most at risk of our students. They had financial poverty they had time poverty cependant has begun all the difficulties that are student parents were experiencing. War have only become magnified. She notes funny affordable childcare is the most pressing issue among the twenty seven hundred students at our school nationwide nearly four million. US undergraduate students are parents or guardians of children are at the age of eighteen and Connecticut Audubon society facing up to its mixed legacy. On racism with an open letter and an essay acknowledging that its namesake was a slave owner, John James Audubon was a nineteenth century ornithologist and painter who extensively documented. America's Bird Population Patrick comments who heads the Connecticut. Audubon society released an open letter on Thursday calling Audubon a seminal figure in the birding world and in artistic genius who nonetheless had a terrible dark side he owned slaves he traded slaves and he told toys and even proudly told the story of having captured. Some former escaped slaves and returning them back to their former masters at gunpoint I'm Suzanne Potter finally are Mary Sherman tells us there is some encouraging news about Illinois's potential for wind energy development. The seventeenth states spanning the central us are known as the wind belt with roughly eighty percent of the nation's current and planned wind energy capacity and Jeff Walk with the Nature Conservancy in Illinois says his group's new mapping tool called site wind right uses wind land use in. Wildlife data to detect areas where conflicts between development and wildlife are likely to be minimal. We've identified low risk areas in that win belt that could generate something on the order of about one hundred gigawatts of energy, which is roughly equivalent to the total energy generation potential that the United States has today in Illinois roughly two million acres are available for wind development. Walk says if that was built out, it could generate enough energy to power a city, the size of Chicago. Walk sees wind energy development as an integral part of meeting the nation's clinicals. However, he notes when it isn't properly planned wind development can negatively affect wildlife and ecosystems in part because it requires large areas of land, we need to be fully supportive of a rapid transition to renewable energy sources. I'm Mary Sherman. This is my clifford and thank you for wrapping up your week with public news service were member listener supported. You can hear, us. 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This episode of Nightwatch was originally broadcast August twenty eighth nineteen, fifty, four, a drunken holiday evening. What you are about to hear is real. Yeah Okay what do you dress? For Forty thirty. Right, we're rolling right away. Got A couple of coffee. Go Right. Donna Reed police recorded. Are Moving out of the station to our. Watch. It. That's right. It is. Up. Papers over. Crew. Detective Sergeants, Ryan Perkins Waller. I jumped in. Trouble call. Kicking on our windshield wipers. As light mess. Poly tank. This is a black sedan. Plainclothes. Detective Unit size in service on stage cone. Far Call Ferret out of my budget. Just a special note patio with US tonight who remember the people who are not actors? Easy this is it. This is real. Nightwatch Watch. Nightwatch the actual on the scene report of the police force inaction there are no actors there is no script every voice every sound is authentic. The investigations are recorded as they actually occur nightwatch presented with the cooperation of the Police Department of Culver City. California W. N. Hildebrand Chiefs. And now we switch you detective unit five, six non patrol somewhere in the field and the official police record Don Reid. Answering a call. See the man regarding to and to fourteen or a fight. Supposed to meet anyone. On this corner directly ahead. No check that it's an excellent. The following. Streets are just a bit slick. Talking on our read spotlight to identifies police car. Standing on the car waving. Middle Aged heavyset. Vegas. All right they get up to. The young has gone up our play there walking on preaching, going to hurt the already. There on that side of states. Let me go away and. Yeah. Think GonNa Lady Asked. Well. Maybe he hasn't done over marble with. Either because they just went around here. I think it is now just. Let me get out before you say anything to. Stop here and I'll I'll okay them. They couldn't be any further up because I have been gone us. When I'm afraid that she's going to hurt the old woman. Find A. Man obviously up to a bar. Looking through the window. You find them. I don't suppose. To do now, they're sitting at the bar, you might go in and take a look at. But the Got A client JAG gone. I presented if Neil ladies in the face with our case, her handbag as you call it. All. They've been likened customer. I. Tried to reason with them and take them back home. Sure. I've had a couple of drinks too. But I'm still gentleman I try. I invited by Earth setting the bar now more by the day sitting in there. Right is front of the bar. You. WanNa come over there, we can very easily slide in it. I can point them out to your backup. Secure. The car. Then, we'll see what it's all about five six to one. We'll be code six, thirty eight, hundred north. Jefferson on this to fourteen call. or off. A. Inside. Small intimate. Piano playing off in the corner. Women's been having a bit of a battle. Located the younger one holding up a Barstool. Into more. Trouble. Just. Wanted to kick around. Moving uncurling. Heading for the door. League. Big Arguments. How much tonight. We had a few. Kelly. Become. Involved public. And? You want to go in it. He wants. I'm just trying to find out what's wrong. That's all I'm got to help not necessarily put you in jail. I don't care. What good. What's the purpose? Be They`re Competent. giving. That had speed arguing fighting. Public. You. Want. To Go, in if they. I want to do if I wanted to take any been. Thank you what I told you. I didn't want to give a talk. With this coming up. Around. All I wanted to get get away from her and take it easy. Easy I think how we would. That arrestor. Conflict would accomplish a lot for the. Yeah. Yeah. It would it would me a lot of. Fear. Laws. Back. Give me a lot of personal tragedy. See her locked. I'm just wondering the same south. Don't take. 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On the hit and run young. By extent for. Four Point two, seven, hundred dollars that took. Power. Their. Another units on opponent call there's not much. We can do about that. At soil about three or four short blocks north of here. Down, possible on victims. Up. Checking oncoming cars watching for anything. Maybe headlights, Outta Line high-speed. Descriptions yet. Missed his. Pretty much turned into rain right now it's a little hard to see. Cars up ahead a large group gathered their street. Sweet car around now to block off the street. Victim lying out here. Just add a little taken. Aback. Uniform car. The other side lighting flares, Perkins were they. Getting to, traffic? That's moving massage waller and check victim. Making our way through the. Rain. Red Lights, and the flyers smokes all McCain very weird picture. Stretched across the white line elderly. Woman to bystanders blanket over. Thank you good luck the victims between old seventy and eighty years. Apparently A. Smile on her face. I. Don't want to go with the. Pillow. Premium. Bending done. You, tell me what happened. Well the CARA long run that's off. down. Did. You see what kind of car was no data could I? Just WanNa overlay to go home get my. My take. Other. Sure. Paraded. Down on his native. Walking that way or he's leaning doctor they can can't be. Wrong. Lady find no she he. Would go. To that will he talks he's. excited. About. Seventy Over. His do an petty. Around Eighty two years Maybe, we can take back. Say Oh, I wish act. Are you ready. Getting. Call. Cyrus. Led Lights of the ambulance. Years. Your General Feel. Your. Everything's GonNa be okay now. Can. Opinion leader on the stretcher. They are at least he's an ex movie actress nearly early days. She's taking it on strike. Let me do. They just. WanNa take checkup take a right. To the. Kissel. Actors at one time. I kind of blows, my Syria about not recording any actors. You, can't get run over. Your point. Clear. I wonder if I. Five next car for that would have. Custody and to this day. By six hundred. You are listening to nightwatch and following the activities of detective unit five, six on its tour of duty. Remember the people and sounds you are hearing are real and the investigations are recorded in the field. As they actually occur we'll bring you the final results of tonight's action at the conclusion as nightwatch. I'll just twenty eight, nineteen, fifty, four, nightwatch UNCLASSICAL radio theatre. Dr. John How veterinarian and twenty, twenty twenty twenty one, Avia may immediate past president with the latest on couvert nineteen and pets. There's been a very limited number of infections and companion animals with most cases ason thematic or with minor respiratory issues. Here are some key tips if you're healthy keep practicing good hygiene with your pet, wash your hands before and after playtime and when handling. Food waste or supplies. 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There was reality Radio Night Watch an episode from the mean streets of Culver City California August twenty, eighth nineteen, fifty four, and now we take you to headquarters and the official police recorder Don read. This is the detective. Bureau. Officer. Arch. Cameron in the office giving us a low down on a product call suspect boy holding what happens. We had called for our. Partner saw the guy's the back door. As he tried to get in. According? Notion to her. Getting. Car. Should pulling known disappeared when he disappeared, she ran out the back lay over the gas station call us. Witness. saw this guy go over the fence into our backyard he thought something out. So he called. Well does she know him or anything like that off London Signed before. It's been drinking doesn't quite know what's going on. Raymond. Sergeant Perkins Water. Finishing, a cup of coffee. Suspect being brought in. Tall. well-dressed. That is he probably started out that way closer to wrinkle right now. Forty years old he ever been arrested. No. Arrested at all. No relation. And Iran do you realize life criminals? May married. Killing yes. Sir. How many worn? How Eighteen? Half? Eighteen Hundred Years Besser boy girl boy. Living. With your wife now after. Doing this backyard tonight. Sure I am. But he's Spain. I stopped at a couple of drinks. A girl was in there. She says, come down to a certain place and. Park. Again. Put We home at night at eight dinner I have trump station east. Appreciate affair but. This is what happened. What were you doing in the back yard house? This woman never saw it before. I don't know about that woman but I'm not a Pallor sir. What were you doing the backyard I was I invited the Errand Someone come out and said something to me that can over the wall to wall. Well just like any other man would. Why do you think I was there Sure Sky. Anyone. Sure. A few drinks. Upset. Now. I have. To Cook to. This. Is Pretty hard. Sometimes it's very unfortunate because of drinking you get into. Situation This I know this. I saw a guy, do what I done. Tonight I. Call. The police myself. I'm sorry patentable time and truthfully. Sorry. I'm not an angel. I had been my part about breaking. To him more. Power. You include investigate me. I live in and like. I'm at. Jalan. Only following the lead. Time, you can destroy your life if you want to put in, will send me away everything want to. We're not. We're not here to destroy your life or anything like that, but we're here. To not only protect the public prepare protect. You might that you had to drink. If you'd gotten back into your conduct, an occupant in an Accident Nightwatch August twenty, eighth nineteen, fifty, four on Classic Radio Theatre. Total wine and more announces points with a purpose. 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I been crest past because I thought the case in any time somebody goes over a six foot wall to get the yard of an house. To me that's Chris passing piece patients and people that wanted to complain to live in the right invited me. To come over the wall. By Jin. Sure. I mean I. Don't know about that. and. I had learned a cricket. Neighborhood. Third Lesson. Along with these officers here they're gonNA book you on. Section four seven, which is intoxication. Getting a break but that I mean, that's of atmosphere appear before court or something. This won't hurt my job. I don't know Sir. Thanks to think should think before you drink, they don't blame the police. Zone please think of those things before you drink they can you give me? A break about that I, mean I have just made I professional ratings. I have worked for twenty years to be a professional. We're not in a position to to state whether or not. You should should have a break that's up to the judge. See we we're we're bound to do certain things by law we have citizens complaints of your activities down there and a thank you're intoxicated no conditioner care of yourself. And that I mean. The clear. I mean worth twenty years. I'm a piano for years in a haven't test to make. Professional race. destroyed. Just because I have a drink. I mean, no. Now wait just a minute. Let's get something straight now as you listen to me a minute, your career is not being destroyed because one drink. You're not being destroyed because he's police officers picked you up your career. If it has to be destroyed is going to be destroyed because you drank to excess you went upon premises of another person. You planned over a six foot wall to get there. You had so much to drink and you became intoxicated. You weren't aware possibly of what you were doing. So. Neighbors and the people that meant that house called the police the police came down, and because you're in no condition to care for yourself, you brought to the station. So if your career is to be destroyed is not to be destroyed on the fact that you had one drink or at the place pick you up to could you drank to excess? Shortfall not ours one nine I got wrong. Shall I sacrifice my career for that? Would you want me to? If you do this, you're GonNa do that. It's not our choice. It's not our choice as in trying to explain to you, but we're bound to do certain things. We have an obligation to the citizens. Could I give you my word? I recall one time that. A man gave me his word. In the next night, I think for armed robbery. What you have just period is real. These investigations were regarded as they actually occurred. Seated beside me tonight in the CBS studio is a special guest before hearing from her, we take you back to headquarters and the office of Chief W and Hildebrand. As to the disposition of tonight's cases, the two women quarrelling on the street as you heard, we're separated and no further action was necessary. The. Young lady hit by a car was sent to a hospital unfortunately, examination revealed only her pride was injured. In the last investigation, the man probably was booked for junk and disturbing the peace. On both counts, he was found guilty. Our special guest tonight Miss, Evelyn Bixby, managing editor, of TV, Radio Life Magazine. That's late. TV Radio Life is celebrating its fifty. Three and bestowing its twelfth annual distinguished achievement awards. These awards as you may know, are the second old if the words in the country? Instead of the TV and radio programs of nineteen, fifty four, we considered only the new show for awards and out of these only ten, we're finally noted for recognition. One of the ten is nightwatch which TV radio life is honoring with its highest radio. Award. I'm pleased to present our award for outstanding new radio program to all of you on nightwatch and to say to cheat Hildebrand you are to be congratulated for your invaluable cooperation. Miss big I know the amount of work that goes into bringing nightwatch, the CBS listeners each week. Therefore, we are doubly appreciative of being singled out by your magazine for this award. I know that every man in my department joins being saying thank you. Recently, I heard our push don Reid being introduced as the guiding light of nightwatch. When he got up to speak he said, actually I'm just the voice of nightwatch. Our brains are Sterling Tracy, the director, our patients, the co-producer Jim had lock our bombs sergeant, round Perkins, and the other officers. Are Ingenuity Ray, Gerhardt tape editor, and our endurance race words. As chief of police, I, know these boys even sleep nightwatch and I also know about encouragement this award will bring to them. Although TV Radio Life Magazine is making this presentation it is you the listener that really made it possible. On behalf of our police record down read and the entire staff. Thank you MS bixby. Good night. It was a unique concept when it started, it was a neat unique concept when cops started. Today not so much August twenty, eight, nineteen fifty four nightwatch on. Classic. Radio Theater Hi I'm Dr Douglas Crat Veterinarian and President of the American Veterinary Medical Association. Many states across the country have recently legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use. Veterinarians have seen a spike in poisoning in pets. Marijuana affects pets much differently than affects people. THC, the main ingredient of marijuana commits are scared or very sick. If you have marijuana or edibles in the house, please keep them out of reach and when walking with your pets make sure they don't pick up anything you don't expect. Concerns your pet has gotten into pot. 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The Magic Detectives starring the world's greatest living magician likes Tom, he tells you the inside story. The criminal who caught himself wide after the story blackstone would explain tricks that you. Yourself can perform reveal the guarded secrets of the world's greatest living magician. Now Dan by four blackstone the magic. Detective. You don't. Have this chair can only stay. Ouch. What under the sends a matter with you? I got a shot or something funny. The matter where that chair I started sit down then all except right up again certainly did. Hey what's going on around here. I nothing nothing at all you must have been mistaken Allen was not because I know a shock when I feel one, it siegfried on wall smart guys. Who is he telling that story? Back Down League one rainy night an old man and his wife came to see me an old man named professor. Jensen I had heard of course great scientists but I never met him. I can't tell you what another issue professor have. You Visit Me Pece Mr Blackstone all you're one of our greatest men. Screen. Yes, you all great auto is fine. He's an honor to be here to tell me. Is there anything I can do you take off your shoes artal I, tell him to take off your shoes. He's so stubborn my auto we're not wear galoshes in swain take off your shoes on my dear around you stocking see we'll see it in the court he will not catch. Fact I have my troubles exton. Trouble you will have more if you do not take off your other shoe. My. Dear. As I say I have trouble. Well, of course if there's anything that I can do. I said to my Otto Riester blacks. Tune is great man who will help us yes. He will help us fine. You see I have been inventing a new serum Mr Stone very, valuable serum, it will many many diseases I. talked to no one about it about what it will do and have defected. This you understand goes in my laboratory I have many experiments, many valuable experiments. I am nearing completion many Yup Mr, next Tottenham. This serum will much suffering will save many lives many spine serum, fine I'm sure it but I'm no chemist what can I give you? Bad things have been happening to my serum Yeah Yup. Very bad things just before the series is completed something happens. How do you say it in your language outside elements have been introduced into my includes my experiments no longer turn out as expected. You mean, Your Chemicals have been adulterated. That is word I'd hate it. You keep your locked up of course of course or is it is locked well, who has a key I have one want my wife she has. That is all no one could possibly get him when you weren't there. Simple but what I don't understand why anyone would want to ruin your experiments there solely for the good of the human race know why Oh tell me? We are newly come to your country Mr. Blackstone. Made forest huge a haven your kind to us all your people. You let us work at what we do paced. You let us believe all we want to believe all were is not like that. Our country was overrun by men are more beast can men that do not like the good things that do not like serum of my Otto. They wanted destroyed before it can save the lives of many young men that have tied to kill. My Serum will cure many men who have fought in this war it will make them strong. The beasts do not want us to be strong. They want him to be weak and to die. That is why my authors experiments being who ingrid hardly seems possible. Yeah. Is Possible and tomorrow more of it'll be done. I'd like to visit your laboratory tonight Professor Jensen would you take me there I? It would be, and perhaps we can save this new tonight. We go enough you shoes set of. Scott tight around your code. You. Cohort. It's right. Second Button. Not. Oh, you must. Really. I'll get my assistant misprint excuse me and then we'll be on our way. He's I will turn on the lines. Let me carry that suitcase back down nor going throat I can manage. We do not come here much night in more my auto he's getting all in. He needs his sleep. That's why delighted so bad over here on my virus have seen them. They must be allowed to stay undisturbed for several weeks. This lattice almost. It would be finished tomorrow. Then would be ready to save lives. Does anyone ever come here but you know except for secret who siegfried or here's a poor refugee even as we are was in a concentration camp for a long time and no more talk, he's Tom. What does he do? He washes up peace reaps out he helps me not a poor secret is perfectly trustworthy course he needs a home he's just a young boy who I said great misfortune someday we hope he's speech will return a does he ever come here alone roll well is there someplace where we can stay for a little while somewhere out of sight? Yeah, come into the kitchen over here, cost the hall. T go. Fine. Go ahead professor after you. Should I lock the store? No just shut it behind do it will lock it's it's a metal door no one could ever break it down not the hinges they are hidden so the door cannot be lifted. Albie with you in a second there's something I wanna do. What's the point of just sitting here in the professors kitchen? We can't even see the laboratory from here a dozen people could break in and we'd never even. If anyone tries to break in call us. To know more cake, would you want to be awake all night with bad dreams of but my dear, with the bad dreams, you must be asleep. Yeah. On night just to say, no mock EEK seems like stone I cannot even make for myself the bedroom. Kill spirit kindness. Love it might not. Perhaps perhaps, but I love your so good cake to. My not. Small more piece perhaps, but a small one. Golly is starting crazy. Just sitting here blackstone. Are you sure we'll know if somebody breaks in I'm sure. Perhaps tonight, nothing will happen to my serum but had I have been mistaken. This way. Can't. Treat. He, the secret is talking and he's got a key in his hand. Critters breaking into your laboratory and ruining your experiment horses. All of you you didn't believe that I was really dumb did you. You didn't believe that I would really like to finish these experiments to food school. So I call the FBI as you have outsmarted me this time fools but follow. We in the end foresee stronger than kindness. We will win someday who secret he forgets. Kindness is a force also. Secret. How did you ever make six? We'd call you like that. It was magic allen the same kind of magic that made that share give you a shock when you said the magic of electricity the same kind of gadget that gives you a shock in the Funny House Amusement Park I touched the spark coil to the inside of the door before I closed. When siegfried touched it with a mental key he couldn't help but scream, and so another mystery was solved by matches now for a simple but puzzling trick do you have a coin Allen how logic blackstone this smallest you have? All Right? Here's a penny more than that. Oh you're wrong. A dime is smaller than a penny. I'll take that dime. Do I. Get it back. Only I. I'm going to Spin it and let Rhode air call heads or tails ahead guests on. If you try any sleight of hand sleight of hand Rhoda I, you see the spots of safety matches. Yes. Well, when I spend the coin I'll slept the matchbox on it. So nobody can see how the coin lies or even touch it. That's fair. Enough. Go ahead alright now spin the Klein. Now let with the matchbox and I'm guess task that's right. I say head and lift the matchbox and heads it is. Now let's try game wrote up can I spend the coin? Goes. And Platinum with them matchbox now, which is it heads or tails I say tales this time but you're wrong how do you know you can't see the kind? Rotor. Not even when I lived the matchbox. Clients, banish the disappeared right from the matchbox. Blackstone, whereas ask Rhoda, she's doing the only I can't begin to guess that one you game gain. And if you give up I, ll tell you where the coin went. Now, blackstone where is that missing? Dime mine dime blackstone remember. Here's another to replace it Allen, and here's another matchbox. This time I'll show you how the trick works. The matchbox has something to do with it everything to do with it I, the matchbox must be emptied next we put the draw in. Upside down. So. There would be only one thickness aboard at the bottom of the matchbox. Now you spend the coin rotor. Down, comes a matchbox hardened square. Lift the box, the diamonds gone only this time I'll show you the bottom of the matchbox see blackstone you're not decline right through I'll say look at that whole pint batch where the dime went the first two or three times you may merely platinum the coin on the table that makes it all the time it finally disappears. Oh. It's certainly baffles me good. I hope you like that Trick Ladies and Gentlemen, and until next time this is back stone saying magic and goodbye. Be with US next time when the world's greatest living magician blackstone tells us the story of. The vanishing necklace explains more tricks that you yourself can perform. Listening again, to blackstone the world's greatest living magician. Jerome and Fran Carlton Talking With Announcer Alan can't in this episode of blackstone the magic detective as it was originally broadcast August twenty, eighth nineteen, forty, nine, and These are such fun shows. 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The hurricane center barely wavered from its prediction even as hundreds of computer model simulations for cast landfall locations as far flung as Florida, and Mexico meantime. covid nineteen is created its own storm surge a surge in the number of people seeking mental health treatment that's according to the National Alliance mental illness in. Texas from. March to April Ami. Texas. Executive Director Greg Hatch says, I saw a three hundred percent increase in calls from people do anxiety depression difficulty sleeping, and other symptoms most said they'd never experienced before he says most colors are aged fifty, five or older. They're looking for resources or just someone to talk with about their anxieties. It's definitely a lot of the isolation concern probably the second biggest would. Be. Uncertainty around their personal finances experts. Recommend that people experiencing mental health issues try to follow a routine get fresh air and exercise eat well and use clinical mental health services as needed I'm Roz Brown many Texas also face another source of anxiety in the past ten years. State residents have been hit with fifteen federally declared major disasters for storms or wildfires six of them in the Houston area. Demands for social justice in cities like Kenosha to racial inequities deeply rooted in the nation's history researchers say these gaps are more prominent in Midwestern states like Wisconsin many recent protests are sparked by high profile police shootings, but those cries also appointed. Racism and recent studies find the mid. West has some of the worst outcomes for black residents. Laura Dresser of the Center on Wisconsin Strategy says when blacks fled to these states in the days of slavery, they may have found job stability in some cities. But housing policies pave the road for future problems because of the residential segregation and because of the racism and discrimination in outlying areas, it made at moving to wear economic opportunity grew much more difficult dresser contributed to a twenty nineteen report led by the Economic Policy Institute. That said, all twelve midwestern states have deep racial disparities in areas from education at jobs to health and homeownership. I might Moen this is pms. Now follow from another state issue we've been following as a school year begins parents who are students face enormous challenges brought on by the pandemic Mary and Mario runs a program at Monroe community. College in Rochester, New York to support single students. Pre Pandemic our student parents were among the most at risk of students they had financial poverty they had time poverty pandemic has begun. All of the difficulties that are getting parents were experiencing before have only become magnified. She notes of funny affordable childcare is the most pressing among the twenty seven hundred students at our school nationwide nearly four million US undergraduate students are parents, guardians of. Our the age of eighteen and the Connecticut often society facing up to its mixed legacy racism with an open letter and an essay acknowledging that its namesake was a slave owner John James Audubon was a nineteenth century ornithologist and painter who extensively documented America's bird population. Patrick comments who heads the Connecticut. Audubon society released an open letter on Thursday calling Audubon. A seminal figure in the birding world and artistic genius who nonetheless had a terrible dark side he owned slaves he traded slaves and he told toys and even probably told the story of having captured some former escaped slaves and returning them back to their former masters at gunpoint from Suzanne Potter. Finally are Mary. Sherman tells us there is some encouraging news about. Potential for wind energy development. The seventeenth states spanning the central us are as the belt with roughly eighty percent of the nation's current and planned wind energy capacity. In Jeff Walk, with the Nature Conservancy in Illinois says his group's new mapping tool called site wind right uses wind land use wildlife data to detect where conflicts between development and wildlife are likely to be minimal we've. Identified low risk areas in that win belt that could generate something on the order of about one hundred gigawatts of energy, which is roughly equivalent to the total energy generation potential that the United States has today in Illinois. Roughly two million acres are available for wind development. Walk says if that was built out, it could generate into energy to power city the size of Chicago. Walk sees wind energy development as an integral part of meeting the nations climate goals. 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This is classic Radio Theater Guy. was. A commie. Life so Everybody. Now, here's your host why it talks an hour crime drama with Bob Bailey, we started off with let George do it a program from the west coast of the United States? August twenty, eighth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, it was sponsored by standard oil of California so did. Nair anywhere away from the Pacific coast to the US this episode broadcast August Twenty Eighth Nineteen fifty is entitled High Card. Personal notice stages my stock in trade. If, the job's too tough for you to handle. You got a job for me George Time. Right, full details. Greetings Fran. Again, for let George do it. Which reminds me. How would you like to sit in on a nice little card game? I happen to know for charming fellows who are just dying for a fifth on the other hand though maybe you'd better forget about it because these boys would not only take your bankroll they just assume live, but it's a pretty good game at that. So while we're waiting for George Valentine to show. Let's take a look in on this. Happy Force. Well. It's ten o'clock already gentleman. It shouldn't be. I mean my watch says, ten just has the cards. What are we waiting for? Let's get no. No Eighties. Soto this is crazy. It's insane. Was your idea wasn't it Norton? But the man's guilt has no more to be bandied about all get a word just a good name with Amanda we also have to give it over with now now. Might. Need a piece of paper. Envelope here in your jacket my of course high dove. It's got my name on. Valentine's. Valentine's what. Oh, you are A. Deemed that Tang. Divide, know her friends. Here's a blank sheet up station. Rick. Couldn't get onto the dear MRS aims. I'm sorry to hear of your concern of your husband. Naturally, that will do whatever I can't help. sincerely. Dina Sir. Like Heaven's sakes up the stalling. Both of will you all right? Draw one. Gone drawcard. Nine Nine again. One of those. Jack. Right Chester. Chester. Draw. Just throw the king of hearts. You. Chest. High tide. Yes. Yes, the people. You can use a pen. I'm. Alright. Jeopardy just. About US one year ago to this day, it was I who murdered move star search for me. After ten o'clock now. I love to have a drink or two have to run down to my boarding house. There's a bill I should pay the watchman SPEC on the locker room and it would look better if you did it at the same place, leave him alone salt of. I'm all right. I could run downtown I then come back have the drinks. If I could borrow your comes James Short Chester. School over and get your my. Sure. Thank you. You can know my confession of guilt to the police. I got the high card. Dead By midnight. Where are you Sylvia the big idea that let her in my coat pocket. Valentine, who is a? So. Sorry to hear of your concern over your husband falls on. This is Mr Valentine. My husband Mr aims. How do you do streams? Foot in my mouth. Just. Who are you did you have a nice time dialing? Where have you been? Oh over the club they let me in just playing a little cards. That's luck. Mr. Aims I had a letter from your why why won't leaving me? What difference does it make? Get Out, she's hired snoop was before my friend. To me you were beaten up the other night from Outta here get. Stopping. Matter whether you. That was you'll call wasn't it driving away? To. Somebody needs it for tonight. Got Some things to do Mr Ramos I know butting in, but your wife has been worried. I'm going. To the. There's nothing anybody can do now acceptive. Make things worse. Send, them home Sylvia, take care of myself. I. Put your letter in his pocket on purpose Mr. Valentine he'll never listen to me believe it was certainly an understatement when you said he was upset. But you haven't said why yet? Now, just what's going on tonight Mrs Ames where's your husband really been? I don't know. Playing cards I guess he doesn't generally. No harm could come out of that. Could it maybe not? You said he'd been beaten up oh. Yes I know he's endangered. Go on your husband's a lawyer isn't he? He was until a year ago Is practiced disappeared. What do you mean suspicion distrust whispers? This is a small town Mr Valentine. Very. Nice town. My husband used to be a very nice person. What happened have you ever heard of the Dorothy cullman murder case. or Yes. Yes I think Sony. I don't remember that was never solve. She was murdered beaten up. was horrible. They never even found the weapon. Police experts everyone's been over two million times. It was a whole year ago. They'll never get a confession from anyone. Mrs. Ames was your husband. My husband was very nearly tried for that murder. I see. But then if he weren't tried then people in this town who believe who really believed that he killed who will always believe it wasn't any actual evidence. But the circumstances horrible sawed awful. Mrs Ames just tell me one thing. Would you? Do Do you think your husband killed this dorothy foreman. Mr. Valentine. I don't want anything worst. That's all. Say It's. Almost. Valentines. Yeah. I. Was Looking for the club dorm names mill from did this is quite pleasure I've heard of you missing your name here and there. was that so is he join me on the Veranda Cup? Of Coffee With You Hospital Club is already Mr Norton. I'm looking for a man named. Victor aim splendid Sharon haven't seen some time might be here. We can together I said, I'm sorry Mr Norton. Tend to be pushing or we? Could be a bit more honest and say visited. Like you're. Still go looking for Mr Raines even if I said the little matter. Concern. You twist my arm. Better. than. I think people there. Is a lounge in. The locker. Room. Three year. Generally closed at night. We. Okay. Now what's the story? Nothing so very important but. Saddam. How do you know who I was out there where aimed head means and draw coming you said, you haven't seen him lately. Try again. Really. got. Danish. Anybody in here, walking up lose your private police. Yes yes, he is. That need? Well, what are you doing? What do you mean stopping? Is it. Jimmy off all this man, I got to break it up up. Here I I. Wanted Him. All right. All right. It's you Mr Naughton snooping. Jimmy now my wallet's gone, he took it he must have all brother. Listen I supposed to do such? But he won't have it really. That's not the way they work, but he's trespassing you can knock him out that I for charges I'm sorry I'm assuming I said I'm sorry you're not gonNA prefer anything. Good night. My father was the founder of this. When I issued an order to one of the painting. Shoes your issue away only someplace else Oh, handle this in. Good. Night Mr Norton. Jimmy I have never in my life. Yes Well, that was something. Okay. But handed over what? Now wait a minute. You don't mean you believe that old school ties gag. And still your voting model. Sure Mine. Eventually, the works. But enough. I. Didn't exactly figure Valentine A-. That's right. Only look buster. Why? Why did you treat him like that will like lettuce before even what it says I have no use for the high and mighty Mr Norton and don't worry I won't get in trouble either. He maybe don't know what he's being eased out the side door this club anyway. All four of them are awful. Would you clear that up? You ever hear the Dorothy Foam and murder. Let Nice dignified man that. For my money he's the one that killed it. So you've got your opinions Shimmy, it doesn't. Stick to it Mr that there wasn't any concrete evidence against the Hammo victims. What did you mean all forum and why did not WanNa, stall me like that. That's all he was trying to keep me away for something that you missed. Excuse me. Mr. Jimmy just standing here having couple of drinks I was downtown. That's done. Looks like you had enough. No No. No I'm all right I'm fine I am. All right. Mr Jesse. Seeing. All that guy he's one of them say it fast. On the far north, they've Hohmann was murdered in her house just over the bluffs across the golf course. Never got enough evidence they never will. But the police did through that it couldn't be anybody else. It had to be one of the four men mixed up with or are they. Mr Naughton. Aims big fool always in trouble. Now the man named Salto. Asked me. He got the first base with. And Chester they're. Not, much left of Chester. All of them have changed. He don't even know what he's doing anymore. Nobody confess no evidence. Jimmy. Excuse me Stuart Back Business. I'm right behind Ya. With them isn't it with the steward shortest? Yeah we catch up again friend is a busy night. Excuse me judgment Jimmy is troubling what the cod, whom the one with the back entrance at put those cards in that myself just this evening Valentine I've got to see you. Go on this deck of cards some in playing the Pantaleo drawing high men. What is it? 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Jack diamonds. Your turn Chester draw yes. I'm. King of hearts. I hereby confess when you go it was I who murdered Miss Dorothy woman. I got the high. Cotton. I'll be dead, by midnight. Only, if your name is George Valentine, all you know is the Dorothy woman murder case has never been solved, but there were four suspects, but the police despaired of ever finding out who are murderer was. Yes. All you know is that Mrs Ames was worried about the strange behavior of her husband Mar recently that format have been playing cards in the back card room of the local club and the Stuart says, the deck of cards is marked Nah. No, they can't be give the hey, take it. EASY MR names. Let's see to it or not mark what's bothering you so much Mr Rams. Crew yes. Jimmy little ticks the edges like this. person. Did it could tell the whole right? Your Jimmy Stewart slowdown I've got to see you Valentine's got to see you along you win sampling. Some of that stuff chester uses Mr, names. What's so important about just Esther Hey, where are you going to save? It was downtown he's back now what's Your in the bars having those last two drinks. Mr Aims I saw your wife to the station. She said the US. Yes. Of course. Where is he what little guy? Proxy was in here few minutes he was having a couple of drinks gone. By did see somebody leading just when I came in he looked like he could use a little sleep. It's five minutes to twelve time for you to clear it up friend whereas just on what's happening to not have been any one of. Mocking. Them But I didn't try to save my own skin I would have gone through a fight been high man. Trying to remember. The watchman spare gun. That was it quick bowling. Busta what the closet, the back hall come on Hurry William the watchman's gun. That was it. On the cupboard was bare. He's taken. It already chester certainly no gun in here drew I'm an he had the king of hearts. Little, chester the weakest one and a whole bunch. Didn't even seem to react to look I I know talking explain later we've gotta find him first hurry. We're the all right but who's he going to use this gun on who? Isn't it perfectly obvious Mr Valentine. On himself. Jimmy said. House over by the bluffs across the Gulf coast. Looking for sale release, just a must be here. It's worried come comes dorothy former house where he was killed in the living room found a body their. Doors. Open your see gesture jester he's not here the fall guy. We're a long way on the outside of that all crime now that we perhaps we beat them here missed him in the dock. George aims what I mean. This is where it happened. Wasn't a pleasant crime. And inside a man, a terrible thing like that can get bigger ear. Valentine I didn't killer. Sure. Sure. That's what they all say. Buster on just finally beginning to realize what a hopeless crazy thing is happening. Listen upstairs. Come on. Chester. Are Your, Chester it's me victories. Salt or what are you doing here? Valentine's all right salt. Oh, he knows the whole story now but that didn't make any cons. It wasn't. What are you doing is salt hiding names leave alone never mind market cards what do you think Brooks? Four men actually drawing to see which one would be a fog guy which one would confess to a murder I don't believe Oh. Yes. It's very easy for the talk the talk like I told him it was the regime as Russian roulette spin that cartridge we'll see who gets the bullet. And they couldn't stand to be pointed at the suspicion, the shadow of guilt the crime that would never be solved otherwise I told them Beppu aims and not get your willing not salt are you didn't have any solution any way to keep yourself from going insane Maybe you can't believe it Miss Brooks. Why should you? Don't have a private hell to live in August twenty eighth nineteen fifty let George do it on Classic Radio Theater. 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Now, the conclusion of George to August Twenty Eighth Nineteen fifteen, maybe you can't believe that Miss Brooks why should you? You don't have a private hell to live in I don't think that's exactly what she meant aims. Sure. I. Know It's not like in books where people just forget about murder but to try to dig yourself out of a swamp by drawing taking one chance in four of being tapped for guilt just a layla goes for the other if we did it. So what we did it. We've nearly killed each other trying to make each other confess. Anyway. I was thinking about the second part of the bargain. Suicide for the elected guilty one, make sure police would accept that confession Mr you'll might have gone through with it. You're that kind. But I just don't believe that most men would enjoy. All right. HOW ABOUT IT SELDOM That's why you're here isn't it to see if chest would go through with something that you wouldn't know yourself. I. I'm sorry. I wouldn't have I couldn't have. I rent along with it. Of course, I did if I mean high, Kat I. What I? Thought. Okay, there's one down what feet. By this time just a must be a boy, the nearest freight train headed for parts unknown. You signed the confession he wouldn't do it. I know you've been. A little hard to pull a trigger. So. You're so sure aren't you? Line out their window command. Look. It's Just. But he's not coming to the house just walking. That's. Up by the Bluff Sheshan, if anything happens to him, it's off fault salt from on step on I'd run. Just. Listen. George. Steve on gas. I'm going to climb up this way to you don't busting. Stay behind me with Miss Brooks island tiny. There's another way. This whole thing can I can work, but I'm going to see that it. What an? Not. Leave alone nor wouldn't you feel? Sure that one from the watchman's locker. What's all you did sure sure. You guys wouldn't just make a deal for somebody to commit suicide. It get him to write a confession and then murderer kills. He killed when he can s dirges up on the edge looking the. He'll jump title look at the way he's acting I just followed give him the gun he didn't take this. Will all be over for all of us? Human If you don't. It'll be the same thing over and over. Look we can't stop them from here and it does look like he wants to jump. Okay. So I've been wrong. So I get onto the way that. Your stay. There all. Just. Yes suggesting you listen to me. I can't reach you generate. Something I'm do yeah I know I know kill yourself but you were supposed to do it where she died once you. Wasn't that the agreement just I make it look good. Can You understand me chester. That's it. That's it. Just keep looking at me. It should have been the living room all all where they always wrong. He was beaten rose. I remember they said, they never found a weapon. Was It really up here that she died. While she thrown, it would look the same. If somebody then carried a body back to a house I'm going to jump your nope back tobacco you not. Too Curious. Chester. This year since Dorothy Foam undyed must have been the worst for the one. Really. Don't you think so Mr Chesa. What admitting it is worse. Some people can't ever do that. They'd rather die than do that. I'm going to jump. You can't stop what you don't even want your death to be a confession. We'll give you a chance the little card drawing. You know the mass deck the Mach One would be found sooner or later. Deliberately left it behind. World, would say your confession was a fraud. You are poor little patsy. Them could've marked the cards north-and-south. Man, marked him the guilty. Manchester. All I've said is built on that. When. There's a drawing a man can't make another man a certain guard. So if marks them, you only marx them Perron self check yes. Yes. I, understand that a pick his own card. For the lowest card picked tonight was a nine of a man wanted a low car that's not very safe as it with fifty two cards in the deck. You know what baffled me for a while? Until I saw that you really did want to die. She was faceless. Bad Just saying. You're gonNA live busting. You're going to write a real confession. Did work out that way didn't it? Brooks, the piece it together again. That's why chest went up to the bluffs instead of taking the gun. That's how he had killed Dorothy fulminate year back. And at the first confession had gone through. If he shot himself, nobody ever would have believed it. The other three would have always thought they railroaded the poor little punchy. Private. Little hells you ones. Mrs Aims were and still in love with her husband and call you hear. George isn't it? Remarkable what a woman will do for the man she loves remarkable. Forgive. Forget, protect our remember that. Yeah The very next time suspected of murder. Oh. 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Stolen I thought you might WanNa talk about it I talk about it. Quite, thorough to Dallas. Well, let's say there have been some new developments. That's what I want to see you. I suppose you WANNA come out here. Oh. Thank you. We'll a half hour of now be convenient. Talk about this if forty-five minutes will be better for you, I'll be. To be a very persistent Latte, I usually get what I go after. So do I hold in this might turn out to be interesting see and a half hour. And every Weekday Night Bailey. The transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed expense account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator yours truly johnny dollar. Two Special investigator Johnny Dollar Location Cranes Burgo, the Home Office to guarantee. Company Hartford Connecticut assignment the Cranes Burke Matter Expensive con-continue. Item. Twenty thousand, dollars? The face value of the policy on Pearl Necklace stolen one week ago from his Melba Crane. Young socialites of last two surviving members of the towns most aristocrat credit family. And according to her own statement that girl who? got what she went after. L. Almost got what I'd gone after. At least made contact with Smiley prell jewel thief phone hyphen, and over the deel. That was all smiley. clammed up Stein at the stall. The whole thing was blowing up at his face. And now the victim herself strongest fall and on top of everything else star what's coming up. I. Left My car near the coach House and walked down a long arbor or the entrance to the Crane Mansion. It has been quite an estate once still. But the buildings needed a touch of paint here there and the gardens needed a gartner just a hint of where. It fit with what I learned that the bank. Still Thompson Local Society Melba. Flat Bro. I was speaking to ring the doorbell when I saw the couple in the sunroom, a man in a business suit and a girl in the major uniform. So busy with each other, they didn't even notice me at first. It was an intensely romantic scene and I started to feel like peeping Tom. Hero is still a little red faced when she answered the door a few seconds later. That afternoon here on my name is Johnny dollar I'd like to see him as. The investigator about the robbery. Lottery must have warned everybody in town. I'm sorry I didn't mean to blurt it. Out. Interesting We're going a little wet if that arraigned starts. Oh. Won't you come in? You love what see Miss Crane I imagine yes I think she's expecting me. Oh by the way I. I didn't interrupt you I. Hope. I. I'll tell her you're here Mr Donald. Must be the insurance fellow. Did you get a one or two why? No No. But Toby. I'm a friend of the dollar dean sellers size, Melbourne I engaged congratulations. What's not recent? Yeah. Figure out I'm a complete moments to sell his. I believe you're the chapel gave screen the necklace, right? Yes. As an engagement present. You have lead. Nothing definite I understood you've been contacted by the thief who stole it. Well. I. Haven't actually seen the necklace yet, and until I do I can't be positive this man ever I'll even has it. It wouldn't be the first time of professional jewel thief has tried to pull a swindle. Tell me something to Dalla. Suppose. You do get hold of the pearls what happens to them. Then when I depends it miss grains claim hasn't been paid the time they go to her. If it has been paid and she refuses to reopen negotiations then we sell the necklace to recover our losses and up till now, as I understand, the claim hasn't been paid. That's right. Well I. Hope, you get it back quick then the insurance won't cover the mental patio. Sentimental value to homes celery to both of us. I know I I saw you outside sunroom strictly attention. Appearances can be deceiving sometimes. I would watch it misunderstand walk I understand perfectly Mr Zuma's. Whether Mrs. Crane would not maybe something else again how this? Understanding she must be. I've gotTA run on she'll be down in a minute at my office is in the building drop in any way I? Can No thanks I may just do that. If you weightings dollar that's all right. gave me a chance to meet your fiance. We. Talking. With Dean We exchanged a few pleasantries. Wow of course, he's a little headstrong sometimes and impulsive. But never means any harm. How did you know personal observation? And also an odd coincidence that's exactly the way you were described me. Instead of beautiful glamorous seductive I imagine it was assumed that I could see those qualities for myself. I wonder if I should buy that as it is or analyze it. I'm dangerously settled. I. Think you be at that? Would you like drink or you one of those always stick to business type even worse I combine the two Gotcha rocks it's my thing. We've found something in common. Already had something. The robbery. I want that necklace recovered as much hugest. Yes. I understand it has a high sentimental value. Tells you that your fiance? To pearls the frozen tears from the eyes of Allah. Poetic Cop. More cynical importing. The man I heard co manage. To British colonial administrator and blowing up a sampan with six Chinese fishermen aboard what nine pearls you one of them. There were thirty eight and then thankless of yours. This man did get away with it and not exactly it was shot to death on the Hong Kong waterfronts. Scratch. Another thing was crane I am not a cop poetic or otherwise it amounts to the same thing doesn't. In some ways. I'm not professional concerned with identifying and capturing criminals bringing them to justice. My obligations on that score or no more or less than those of any other private citizen. So I'm hired by the Insurance Company to protect. Their interests. Usually, that involves trying to recover stolen property. Or looking. For. Of. Insurance fraud. I'm afraid I don't quite sometimes I make deals miscarry. Exactly. What? meaning that somebody should start something and get in over their head I. I listen to reason try to work something else. A COP wouldn't He's not permitted to. Now that would all be very interesting I'm sure. To the person who stole the necklace. Yeah you'd think song wouldn't you? What about that Chris Mr Dollar You will pay from the insurance companies be Brown. I talked to him a couple of hours ago briefly. Does he have the? I don't know. If I have another drink. What do you mean? You don't know that's why you came here to meet him and get them back. You may not have them. They may just be trying to swindle insurance company that's not too uncommon. Wouldn't know oh? Yeah. Tried every non then The nicest people sometimes. I think to me. You're taking this whole thing pretty calmly. Really a front inside of. Keno. something. Why did you postpone your putting? I didn't. Then was the one. Now what's Fake. What's that got to do with it? Do you think he's changed his mind about marrying you? It's suppose we leave Mr sellers out of it chance. He's already in it. He's the one who gave you the necklace in the first place and engagement gift. has called off the engagement Miss Crane hasn't, and he won't regardless of any rumors to the contrary that does that answer your question. More or less than suppose, we leave my personal life alone and talk about the robbery. That is if you're at all interested in it. Whereas the savings cream safe. Oh, the necklace was in. There behind that painting you WanNa. See you don't want. Your uncle live here alone as I understand I made close betty. Out if you'll find any fingerprints or anything, the police spent hours on. That's a real old fashioned. Family's been around quite a while Mr wouldn't be much of a job or a professional safecracker. Without. The combination without. How did the thief get into the House forcing went somewhere I, don't know the key I guess. You see what happened in the afternoon I had gone out and uncle was out somewhere usual. The house was empty at the time. What about your mind that Ethan after I left she decided to go onto onto some shopping or something. They. Couldn't possibly have picked a better time. Would you like to look around the house? No. No thanks. I've got a pretty complete story from the police reports. Mostly I came out here to take a look at you. What's your verdict? Maybe, I'll do better with twenty parral meaning him later. And is he going to produce the next I? Don't know. He talked about a double cross said, he might give me more than I was bargaining for he was pretty upset. Incidentally. Limited. There's someone else you know that be talking to and I want one about him resigned uncle genius. Quiz he means. He had strong impulsive to. He makes things sometimes and he's Well. Just a little bit vague. Bombing you mean Mr. With people have our class it's referred to as eccentric. I'm sure you. Understand. The house filled with understanding was a brand new questions about the cranes that of needed still more understanding. The lowering clouds had brought an early dusk and it was nearly dark when I reached open the door, my car. And suddenly I caught a flash of white at the corner of the coach. Somebody had seem introduction site. I walk across the driveway we'll quietly up to the corner of the building. Betting. With that, no, I mean I I was just going to burn some track. Maybe put it in the incinerator for you. Sure sort of these papers seems to be something heavy here. Let me please you won't understand. Rains I was very understanding. I. You've been run on she sounds impatient I'll take care of this. please. I watched the disappearance of the shadows running toward the house. And read the package and tried to hide in the incinerator. 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Yeah and we've still got a third one to do a third debate. No third show today Oh right because you've got nobody tells the truth coming up later tonight absolutely, and hopefully the show is as good as the debate was because that's pretty good. Today, of course, I watched it. Well, you're a busy guy you run into. Watch. The whole thing I'll give you that I did get I do get the first part and then the very last part. Yeah. Good. Well, I think everybody'd warmed up pretty good by the by the end market never hosted a debate before. So he was a little flummoxed by the way debates were supposed to go and mashed iron it all out by I think by the time we got through the first twenty was hostile like I kind of expected to be. No. Usually when you're getting into a debate with another party, it's Kinda it's not another more debate issue. Well I mean you are a libertarian and an -tarian. Yeah I am running I am doing as a as a Republican, but you know then again, Ronald Reagan said that libertarianism was the was one of the three step three. Three three legged stool was that is I don't know of conservatism which I don't consider it conservative. Consider ratification conservatives are libertarian on some things and. Progressives are libertarian on some things the same. Man Today there. Well, you know it's it's of feel like neither libertarian at all because they're both willing to use violence to achieve their objective. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Well, I mean the The left wants to. More programs right and then the right does to get. So just different rooms so. I mean they're only libertarian on certain issues. They take they take a libertarian perspective in certain ways and it's when it when it benefits now. Libertarian about the things they want, they want to do sure authoritarian about the things they don't want right exactly. Right now they don't use. If if no definitely not. I don't necessarily see it as that I see it as the you know maybe they haven't watched the logic is clearly. Don't subscribe to the now it's not perseverance, right? Yeah. It's not our principle which is, as you said, nonaggression principle, their principle may be Karen for instance, Karen Testament was the other person in the debate sides nobody she's also running for governor here New Hampshire. So they're both competing to try to take down the incumbent, but he did talk a lot about family and to her that's probably one of her principals. Now, whether she believes the government should mandate certain things about you know promoting the family or whatever. We didn't get that deep into into her beliefs. And that was unfortunate because I kind of preemptively talked about that orbit but I didn't there is nothing concrete. Yeah. Start going down that path family it's almost never going to be Libertarian That means the thing is I go down the path of family as well but I go down in a very different way which is family is what you want to be If if you WANNA marry four people, you should be able to Mary for your. I think when anybody other than a libertarian goes down that path. Certainly. Not Libertarian. Yeah. Well, it's not libertarian but that's the stuff we gotta talk about. Worm to death. If we talk only other stuff, we agree sure. Sure. Sure. But I don't hear a libertarian talking about family very much and. Hang out with the family one. True. But even when. About family even in Libertarian circles I, often hear from people who are not that. Libertarian. Maybe I don't I don't run in those circles myself right I don't either sent. It could just be that because you don't expect to see it at Libertarian. Events in strikes you as they strike you as less. Less Libertarian ipso facto but that's more I know Libertarians with families shirt but they don't run in those circles that are talking about family values and whatever else that's a different matter though because family values is a little bit code for something isn't it probably is not your family's values and it's not my values and it's not Ian family's values this particular they've got a particular family in mind right and we don't know that family. Family doesn't really exist but yeah, but but but it's a hypothetical family nineteen fifties. Stereotype of a family which is okay. You can do that at is okay to okay to live that way. Even if it's not what I would choose because. Just about everybody who wants to be happy should choose things I wouldn't choose sure 'cause I'M BIZARRE I if it was voluntary. Sure I'm. To, object, I think part of the problem though is that usually family values and I don't know if I can get into exactly how this is, but you know family values tend to incorporate ideas that are that are definitely not libertarian they involve force and violence and things of that nature. So. Yeah I think I think sometimes they do and certainly in our society everything involves for some. Force violence because everything involves the government. And that's the fortunate thing is that even on the conservative side they have come to almost except that their lives will be run by the government urges get a squawk every once in a while when they feel strongly about something but a lot of times. They just take it. And I think that's I think that's very unfortunate especially since they are these side that actually talks about being able to fight back. But never wants to the other side wants to fight back but won't do the things that it needs to do to be able to, for example, getting a large number of guns and the training to use them. That would be and you know. that. If you really want to change the world, you can't do it without that. So I was watching last night speaking of Republicans speaking in such normally, I wouldn't spend any time watching. Republican or Democrat Right national convention however after the show is wrapping up last night. I was made aware that the thing was still going on and apparently interestingly the Republicans actually held their debate yesterday debate their convention yesterday on the White House lawn. So is this the national? Yeah the Republican National Convention rather than being in some you know Stuffy Hotel somewhere they put two thousand chairs out on the White House lawn setup, all their stage and lighting and things like that and did a full on convention on the White House lawn you gotTa Give Him Credit and it's a pretty ballsy. ballsy move especially because it kind of shatters a little bit of tradition because you know the party is supposed to be. supposed. To be neutral through the. Through the convention they'd never our. They always lie and say, yeah, this year they're not lying straight win a politician starting. Better, reach for your wallet because He's Getting Ready to come at you straight up. Interesting that they utilized the White House lawn. You think that would be kind of like an an interest issue where it is. That's exactly what saying the Democrats going. It's a conflict, right? What about the? and. Also. Chiampou. Conflict of interest because he's running against other people. 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The Republican National Convention thing I would not normally find interesting at all. But when I found out last night was that there was a lady who spoke at the Convention that Donald Trump apparently commuted her sentence and she was in prison for a life sentence first time offender for drug related charges. Wow. Federal apparently and so. She not only did she ever sentence commuted but after last night after she spoke at the Republican convention, trump pardoned her as well. I E commuter sentence. Then he partners we'll talk a little bit more about the balls to do that for all of us reminder some support I was thinking just Rossi. Well you would certainly be somebody else who she should definitely do this for, but you're right. It's just a symbolic gesture. It doesn't mean a whole lot. Unless you can do it for all the people that deserve way out from behind. A lot of. People. would. Certainly. Means something for me because basically I do have one thing in common with Donald Trump which is when I started talking the FBI cable log and tried to silence me. Different Way. True. They couldn't make him a felon. He's got a lot of lawyers. I use the public defender, right? So you know so they didn't they didn't completely destroy his life, but they did they did spy out but now he couldn't pardon you. Right he's style wasn't federal charges that you face it wasn't federal charges doesn't have the power to. Pardon. Yes, so one thing that I'd. One thing that I that I would do is say To the extent that I could make it stick. that. If you committed a victimless crime somewhere else maybe I can't pardon it but. New Hampshire cannot care. What do you mean New Hampshire cannot care. I mean basically a that to the extent I can do it by executive order say ignore that to just hang. As president as as governor I'm sorry I thought you were talking about you were in trump's position. I'm trying to think of like what point I mean you you can't just say don't ignore to ignore. Let's say like somebody's A. At the Federal level and you can't power over that. But you can say ignored at the state level but that doesn't mean the feds can't come in and say if a gun was convicted the federal level. That's not the right we have then these. The but something's GonNa lead to secession. Yeah. Yeah. He's not going to happen in a vacuum and it's not gonNA happen from push and it's going to happen from all of a sudden the government does something absolutely horrific well, how much worse? Can it get what I mean they do it all the time I am but the thing is is the frog and water has kept people pretty complacent. Yeah. They've got a lot of things to keep them distracted. They got their net flicks they got their sports although sports are kind of going away now. There's I. think there's usually not a covert because black lives matter well, no it's because of the response to cope it, they're shutting down sports the entire fall semester. The college has been the entire fall semester sports have been canceled. Wow. There's a radio station that I spoke with today again I call radio stations. During the daylight hours to try to pitch freetalklive to him, and one of the guys have been talking to for a while says, yeah, we might need you coming up in in a couple months. Because they don't have as much sports this year because it's just not there. And so they had to take their sports that they had on their am talk station and move it over to their sport station because sports station started to have gaps in programming. So they they took whatever left from Sports, talk station, moved it to the sports station. So now they're going to have some more room on the talk station. It's actually opportunity for. In this case and a lot of our stations had preempted us for sports previously but if the sports aren't there to preempt us for, then we're going to get more time we can preempt them. Yeah. We're post them. That's great. Whatever let me bring Robert on the line. Here's he's in Vermont, and, of course you can bring up anything you want Robert. You're on free talk live. Good morning jails. To new, I should say goody whatever time it is wherever you are go ahead Robert. Hey Look I don't know. I watched the debate last you know the president. Bush's I could stand anyways. and. They didn't have a debate. You mean, you're talking about the national, Convention Yeah Okay Yeah. I know if you noticed about Hardly anybody at all wherein math yeah. That was nice to see. That at the end, but it's just the. Same. To me being. Tova with guys guys, guys. Don't you know that the elite Artistic Hyun from the virus I don't know if it's

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