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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"What he basically doesn't he never gets charged with anything. Because i never studied this murder clearly these people in there so fucking crazy and the whole thing and his what a dick. He fucking hanged himself. Yeah but if you watch like especially inappropriate. Adult his weird connection with her his weird like he defends her in the beginning. He says she has nothing to do with it in the beginning. And then it's just it's a classic case of that like he's the herb user but then at over the years she became his before a suicide. There's an interview with police where he's quoted as saying you've the murders wrong. Nobody went through hell. It was sexual encounters gone wrong so he tried to intimate that it was some kind of like Sex play where people were. It was voluntary up until the last minute. You know that thing. We're looking into getting decapitated during sex right and also that accident doesn't happen. Twelve fucking asshole. No here's the cool part caroline roberts who is a hitchhiker who was afraid to testify her own on any came back and testified in this murder trial. And she's the reason that rosemary west got convicted and still in jail to this day. She's still alive. She's still in jail last july. She was diagnosed with glock la comma. And she's going blind and she said in a quote to the newspaper if i go blind. I'm going to commit suicide and everyone's like okay. Everyone's like that's fine. Oh my really wear things in one thousand nine hundred six. They went to demolish twenty five cromwell street when the old house the new the new house. That's where all the horrible things took them. Five days to knock the house down. I don't. I'm not sure i mean was made of cement if he did so much building and burying and cemented and doing things inside the house i mean. The whole thing was You know it was like this. Bizarre fortress built and that the these horrible things happening and of course they. The police were me. Get rid of that not as an entity it just but then it just took them forever layer who didn't knock it down. Yeah so that's the quickest most lightest like dipping into talking about the important things but not living in the horror show. But you definitely can. I mean you know i'm gonna. Yeah there's but there's really good i mean. Appropriate adult is such an incredible. It's such an incredible way present. The story because janet leach as this person who is like the mandated witness is sitting there and also it was her first case as an appropriate adult like never have a first case anywhere. Because always anything. I know but i. I didn't case you'd think we like you know just standard standing physical child abuse worse. Easy one answer and there's just this amazing scene were when he starts confessing. He sang it like he goes well. Yeah i did berry berry. Heather's body under the patio. He starts talking about it like they're talking about the news and in the background. Emily watson playing. Janet leach is just sitting there with her face. It looks like her face is slowly dropping off of her skull because she's just like what the fuck and she's there as his guy. Yeah she's supposed to be his right hand man of like you're there if the police tried to abuse me there of the end..
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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"She was a seamstress she you know her she was close their family her sheet when she disappears without a word her mother starts asking around and the information she gets leads to the west house on cromwell street and when she knocks on the door. Rosemary's like a you know we haven't seen her. And then as mrs golf is talking to her she realizes that rosemary is wearing lynda's slippers and again and then she looks and sees that lindsey closer hanging on the clothesline. So yes yes so. She's thought explain my face right now. Just i guess or or horror horror horror Then there's carolyn cooper who was fifteen years old. She disappeared in november of nineteen seventy-three on her way to visit her grandmother in worcester. If it's if it's the boston pronounce wet you bet. It's worse sauce. Nancy parking ten is twenty one. She was a student at exeter. In december of nineteen seventy-three. She went home for christmas and then she went out to visit her schoolfriend at ten. Fifteen on the twenty seventh of december. She was going to catch the last bus home. Never seen again. Do we think that this is all hitchhiking related. I sure because it's it's some of these. Are these people who are traveling you know. I'm not victim blaming. Because but i think hitchhiking was really normal thing and to get into a car of a couple fucking watch. Hounds of love that australian murray. I did that one time or any of these stories. Like hitchhiking was very normal. Yes in the car with them. One of their babies right. You know the story of the girl who was kept in a in a box. Our girl box. That's how they got hurt. Yeah they also found the body of twenty one year old swiss student. Therese seigenthaler She'd been studying sociology in london and she had decided to hitchhike across england and somewhere. She disappeared somewhere on that trip. And also a fifteen year. Old name shirley hubbard who was last seen in november of nineteen seventy four. She was from a broken home. There's a couple of girls who were found in that basement. Who were had been in either foster care or their parents were divorced and they had started going to the west's house were hanging out there and and then disappeared One of those was eighteen year. Old juanita maat who that that was exactly her story. So that was those were the bodies in the cellar and then they had also dug up the garden. Yeah which is where near the patio where heather was buried and they found shirley ann robinson an eighteen year old who had moved into the west house. She started having a fair with fred and gotten pregnant by him. In may of nineteen seventy eight..
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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"In nineteen eighty seven following a family disagreement but now she works at a holiday village in devonshire and that they got they get phone calls from her every once in a while and they'd actually taken a phone call from heather in front of the children one time so that the children also said oh yes. Heather called home that one time. Mom and dad both talked to her. we didn't they. They didn't let us talk to her. Yeah so then they start talking to heather's friends and that's when they find out that nineteen and eighty seven. It was around the time. Heather started telling her friends about the insane abuse that was going on in their home So authorities are putting together that she disappeared right around the time she started confiding to other people what was actually happening so then all the younger west children are put into basically for the british version of foster care and foster care they call. It can ca- put into care. You have to whisper it. So when a when the kids start talking to their the foster carers they start telling the story about if you misbehaved at home. They fred and rosemary. We tell the kids. If you don't behave you're going to go under the patio. Where heather is. Yeah and so. Everyone's like ding ding ding. Imagine if you're foster parenting or foster care year foster care and kids like oh. I don't want to go into the house like the mic. My sister my sister had disappeared shows. I mean horrifying. So so it's almost like everyone's just going like whoa. Sorry what say that again. It's all like unfold all of these people who look like the most average people boring even super boring. And then it's like. There's this insane seamy underside. So when they go said they basically they go in and they they dig up the patio and they find the bones of heather west and so and this is where basically appropriate adult starts at fred's arrests now away where they he had taken them to the house and he tells police. Yeah you you can come. She's buried in the backyard then. He changes his story. Then he changes again. He's doing all this stuff and he's trying to manipulate janet leach the appropriate adult. So he's looking at her going. You should maybe over there. While he's denying that anyone buried anywhere to the police. he's two different people. Yeah or nine. Different people like it's truly truly either. It's super psychopathic manipulation. Like he's where he's really stupid and just kind of playing at moment to moment very hard to tell or that thing where. It's like well if i'm gonna get fucked for this. I want all the credit so like here's some other shit. You should look into you. It's interesting it's like that thing. Where does he like the attention. Like this weird relationship. He's trying to build these clearly getting her interest because she's just supposed to be there standing there like witnessing sure the police don't abuse a person who would be you know in custody that everybody would want to punch in the face several types of fucking tivoli. It might help his fucking stupid looking fade. Knock some teeth back into place. So basically because of his hints and these things were he goes he like maybe we should go down and look in the cellar and then when they get down the salaries like no the spiritual telling me. We shouldn't be down here. So then the investigators like dig up this entire. And that's when they find six bodies of women buried innis circle chronologically from when they disappeared so lynda gough is found in the cellar and she went missing. On april nineteenth nineteen seventy-three shit is nineteen years old and.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Not nothing. I read said that but it could definitely be. There were rumors that some of them were local authority figure. Yes so I think that's why this went like it was rumored but it was never reported for a long time that things went on in this household from way way too long because this was basically the sex worker of town. Yes so nobody was like but it's also like if this authority figure comes in to have sex for money with rosemary. It's not like he knows that other shit's going on in the house. So it's not like he would have looked into it he didn't look into. You know you know what. I mean right. It's not like they were getting reports and then they were ignoring the right but they also were. Were in no way trying to look at anything that was happening in that house. Sure 'cause they knew at least they were guilty of something and also it was a lot of kind of intense. Sim bondage. yeah violence sex. It's yeah At one point when they live on cromwell street rena costello shows up to get her daughters back from fred and reena disappears. Two girls one of his ex. Nate a not around anymore that mon disappears. Yes oh my god so okay. So in nineteen seventy two and this is when basically it goes from all the ultimate depravity within the household and within their own family in their own home and then they begin to branch out in nineteen seventy-two they pick up seventeen year old hitchhiker named caroline's and they ask if she'll be there nanny because they have all these kids and they need extra help she says yes she finds them nice charm whatever and she moves into the house on cromwell street and after two weeks. She tries to leave. Because of course it's fucking will living hell and insanity but fred and rose go out and they find her hitchhiking and they pick her back up. They get her back into the car. Rose begins to sexually assault her. And then fred poulet. She's trying to fight. Rozov fred pulls over a punch in the face and she goes on conscious when she wakes up. She's back at twenty five. Cromwell street gagged hands bound being malicious. She's molested all by rose and in the morning. She convinces them if they let her go. She's not going to say anything to anybody on it. It's fine no big deal so they fucking letter go. She's a straight to. The cops tells them what happened. The west are arrested. They're charged with assault quote assault occasioning actual bodily harm and with indecent assault but airlines. Too scared to actually testify against them in court..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"And when asked where she's gone rose tells people that she's gone to scotland to to live with her biological mother. So when fred gets out of jail a he comes back and they move from the house that they did live in to the now infamous twenty house at twenty five cromwell street in gloucester and the neighbors know them as slightly eccentric but nice. They people say that they're the kind of neighbors that would do anything for you. And that's because they have no fucking idea what's going on in what is actually and in truth. It complete hell house so it turns out. Rosemary is a sex worker. Who was working out of her own home. Okay and they have set up the house. The bedrooms have are outfitted with cameras and listening devices. She's still a teenager. At this point she is yeah. Basically nineteen yes. She's in her late teens early. Twenty s gone. All this starts so fred can watch these sections set sessions. She's having all the sessions with her clients from far and in the house. And if that's not dark enough for you it's not gonna work okay. Then one of her clients as our own father bill Then fred knows that. Start enough for me that well. It gets darker because then rose eventually encourages fred to begin to sexually abuse and i and rosewood. Join in that row. I mean she is. What the actually reminds me of the canon barbie killers. Carlo mocha right sent from canada. Giving you a he. She gives him the gift of her sister. Kind of a thing. Xactly my the insane sexual assaults in south psychopath so you have no emotional fucking understanding of human emotions. And it's the thing of when pe- when women do that when their mothers and they do lia children at truly. It's this taboo. that is truly mind blowing. You know it's not a taboo to them because they were raped by their fathers too. That's not fucking weird exactly sightings. That's that was childhood for both of these people. Yes my god no good so they then begin selling annemarie to pedophile a at the time. They think that started when she was eight around the age of eight. Oh my god. One will go one darker k. The grandfather was a client. Also so fucking rosemary's groves ramos lefty dad. Yeah jesus cry. Just the worst. This is so again for all the people who inquired this is. Why would i would get to about this part and just be like. Yeah this is the worst story ever told so. Eventually rose gets pregnant and has eight different children. Five of them are fred west. Holy shit of them are fathered by clients. They're not sure exactly what they are but but are any of them her dad..
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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"And he gets a job as of course a builder because for some reason all of these serial killers somehow go into the contracting field. We are just fucking thing. I guess it's the independent work schedule. hammers i dunno burial. Easy burial tools a semester. So the only thing anyone says about him as he's known to be a hard worker which is like her him rates so as on coke employees exactly where he just loved. Fucking nail dig. Yeah sorts around this time where he meets fifteen. Hi rose hi. i'm fifteen high twenty seven. Yeah and but she's like well. I've always had this paranoid schizophrenic molester father so this is better that horrible father objects strongly to rose's having her this relationship with this old man essentially with the crazy crazy teeth but she basically believes that they believe that they are like psychically connected. And there's this part. Inappropriate dole like cyclic. Because i really what it is. There's a part appropriate adult. Where he fred spoiler alert. He ends up getting arrested in the police station and he goes. Oh roses in the police station. And they're like no no she's not here. We have rossiter yet and he goes no. She's here and then they leave the interrogation and she was there and no one. No one in the room knew she was there except for fred so there is this. They have a very odd creepy creepy creepy connection and thing so their relationship starts. He is abusive to her. Of course he's sexually technically sexually assaulting her and raping our fifteen but he's also violent with her 'cause he's a violent person so she's becomes pregnant relatively soon after this affair starts And she gives birth to their daughter in one thousand nine hundred seventy her daughters named heather when when she is when rosemary. Seventeen fred west already has two children jesus from a previous relationship and at this around the same sister no east he. He's had a different relationship. Okay he sent to prison for petty theft and for fine evasion around the same time. Seventeen year old. Highly unstable rows becomes mother to now three children all at once. She has to take over those other. Kids up yes and their takeover. It's it is a full takeover So proud it's two daughters. Unfortunately fortunately charlemagne annemarie armor his daughters that he had from a previous relationship with a woman named rena castello. And so at some points while fred still in jail and rosemary's taking care of those three kids charmaine one of fred's daughters disappears..
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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"No matter how many collins you had waiting for like kind of jar you yes so okay. So rosemary was born rosemary. Let's in devon november twenty ninth nineteen fifty-three and of course it is all of these. They're both of their backgrounds. Tragedy jumped so rosemary's parents the he actually called her rose for the most of the time. Both of her parents suffer from mental illness for mother when she's pregnant with rose falls into a deep depression and give her electroshock therapy with a baby if the baby so there's lots of fear rising that there was prenatal injury to her probably definitely in the brain so because one roses growing up. Lots of aggression. Lots of temper tantrums. She's terrible student. The parents have a terrible marriage. Her father bill is a paranoid schizophrenic. Who follow yup. So he's super violent and he is terrifying. He is just this awful presence in the home to the point where the mother moves herself in rosemary out of the house but in their adolescence rosemary moves back into the house. And it's it's around the same time so she hits puberty and becomes obsessed with her body and are developing body. She has a brother that she walks around naked in front of all the time that she begins to engage in incestuous acts with And a she essentially. It's not happening out the blue. It turns out her father has been molesting her since she was thirteen years. Old course he has. Yeah and so she rosemary. Not only is obsessed with sex and and but she's also preoccupied with older men and that's how she ends up meeting fred wet so because earlier. Rosemary's fifteen when she meets the twenty-seven-year-old fred west shut Yeah you yeah. So she's she's a sophomore in high school. And he's fucking twenty-seven my god and fred one of the worst people ever to exist as a child. He was beaten and molested when he was seventeen. He got into a car accident that left him with a limp and a metal plate in his head and injury right. After after that car accident. He was never the saying you imagine knowing someone who got in a car accident or like living with owning their acting like that always scares me and people are like he. He wasn't acting the same after that. Yeah like vince got in a car accident and then started getting like these rage outbursts. Would i do. It happens all the time. It happens to people all the time i couldn't it's terrifying. Yeah it's really awful. Also he's i don't i think that he probably wasn't the greatest before the car percent because he also sustained another head injury when a woman pushed him off the fire escape because he stuck his hand. Upper skar her. Can you imagine. I know fuck out of here. All show it at some point along the line. He got his own sister pregnant. I was really trying to make georgia. You a stick of wine not in my own house not in my backyard only on stage so then he mussa scotla after all that he wants to scotland to become an ice cream truck driver but he comes back to england after he runs over a four year old child. What so. we're on strike. Nineteen now with fred west. Just put him to sleep not no good so in the late sixty s he comes back to england.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"What's up civic. Oh you mean it's a murderer advocate. Exactly it's like nestle in it's four. It's usually either for children who've been arrested or for people who are like somehow Maybe a learning disability or something with them but they so they bring her. They bring this woman in two to be this. I believe her. Name was janet leach. It's a true story so when it gets that part you can. I would one thousand percent recommend appropriate adult and it's available on i tunes and it's in two parts so but it basically goes into once he's arrested and it goes into the insanity of how the whole case unfolds so anyway that that's part of where i got this whole story but And then there was an article in the independent written by will bennett in october of nineteen ninety-five where got a bunch of information. So we'll start with rosemary west. Unlike anyone in in any i. I just can't like when you talk about this woman. You see a picture of her stephen. Would you pull up if she look i know. She's super motherly right. Yes she looks like every month from the eighty s really big glasses and like just too short kind of reasonable hair from little zone a little. She's in the front zone. Had some kids. She's lived with like she just doesn't care. She's like shade. Just yeah holy fuck yeah. So she's she just looks like the average lady walking down the street with a girlfriend. No shame on the zone. Like i have mayor the fucking problem propaganda. Don't worry about it. This photo is classic. He took her last four. The photo just looks like they're on a sears couch with the vessel wall paper. I've ever seen in my life in the background. It looks like the fucking canvas we have in the yes and they use that inappropriate adult. They have her sitting on a couch in front of that wallpaper. Like so they. They clearly tried to recreate the house as it was and this house is so fucking creepy. She looks cute. she's got her little. Dorothy hamill haircut. He looks like If a jemaine notch. I mean Yeah jemaine from fucking flight of the conchords like really wanted to go all out and play like ugly. Gross did jimmy. Climate is hottest fox. Don't get me wrong. No he is like a leisure suit. Jemaine jemaine on halloween trying to essentially right because he does look a lot like he. Looks like a muppet monster. Yes are crazy. He has a unit brow. His small is and he just. He looks like he's up to no totally. That's also why he's so fascinating in appropriate adult. You get that sense of what a true psychopath years. A crazy laugh one. I thought he'd like a crazy law. Unexpected something he wouldn't expect the kind of left that would make you leave a bar right..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"I still hear people talking about that story. Here in texas Even though john fight died in prison in twenty twenty okay for karen picked episode one hundred. Thirty which covers the creepy nasty case of fred and rosemary west in the uk again. This is a story everett about for years. I love that they covered this case. Because i'm not sure that everyone's heard it and it's just so terrible. So here's the story of fred and rosemary west in their house of horrors in england. So my story. This week is one that we haven't done yet. It's super famous people to ask us to do it all the time and ask us why we haven't done it great and it's another one of those ones where it's like i'm gonna save it for a live show. No now i want to do it alive. Show and it's so depressing and i don't want to do it because it is the hideous and i am telling you if you have any any issues or triggers around molestation incest sexual abuse at all. Do not wanna listen to this story. Because it's fucking terrible in the story of fred and rosemary. West is good one eight. So like i have attempted to do this story. I think like four different times in every time just like i don't. This is awful. I want to hear it. And i don't have those triggers because i'm a fucking monster who likes terrible things all the time right but i can't imagine you doing this at the london show and it just going quiet yes but then like why did you do it. I know it's such a weird balance but it's also like yeah it for live shows. We need to be able to talk to each other and at least heavy semblance of good time interaction and this is just all. This is some of the darkest shit of all time. Well i must not know all the dark shetland so tony. Yeah it's crazy and but the good thing that that i was happy about is early on. I tried to do a recommendation and tried to reference. This show called. It was a. I think originally it was like a tv. Show in england. Starring emily watson called appropriate adult and it stars. Emily watson it's dominic west who is from the wire but he's on british mazing british actor and and then this incredible Actress who. I still can't get over her performance she plays rosemary west and her name is monica. Dolan and she is so good. I don't have she so fucking good in this thing. Inappropriate adult so. Emily watson plays essentially. There's a thing in england it's when you they have a person it's essentially like a citizen social worker. That just is there as the witness to make sure that the person when they're being interviewed by police is being treated fairly man's advocate..
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"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Because my god looks like he's on baseball so i'm just trying to figure out what that is. The fees like a christian brother. What specific deal was. I'm sure it's very involved. But i don't understand okay. I just knew that it was like a monk but he was like but it was like priests were hanging out with him yet. I don't know he's just in a different kind of like setup catholic thing. yeah okay. Maybe he made wine the hair though my god so dale what's up eighty eight euro dale testifies against him december eighth which the day today the twelve december thakin eighth twenty. Seventeen fucking four days ago. Yeah after a six day trial in the hidalgo county courthouse in edinburgh. Jury fucking convicted john. Fight wow now. Eighty five year old experts of murdering irene garza and he receives a life sentence in prison. Oh my god this suggests fucking came out. That's incredible nineteenth sixtieth happen. And can what are we two thousand seventeen. Yeah still alive today. Irene eighty three years old in a letter written to a friend Right before she died. She stated that she's happier than she's ever been and said to her front. Remember the last time we talked told her i was afraid of death. Will i think i'm cured. You see. I've been going to communion and mass daily and you can't imagine the courage and faith and happiness. It's given me a and That's the story of the murder of irene. Garza by motherfucker john fight. I can't believe that ended. Well i know it never happened in the catholic church every time. It's a catholic church story. Yeah it frustrates you. It disgusts you. Cases to goes crazy. Yeah sessions like in one of those walkers in court. That are also chairs. Yeah you know that you see yeah trying to look old and he he a couple of things he said when he got arrested like. I don't understand this happened in nineteen sixty like he his. Excuse if. I don't understand this was happening now. This was so long ago. And this woman says to him there's no statute of limitations on murder. He's trying to play it off like this was so long ago. Yeah why you guys making a big deal about exactly. He's acting like a confused old man. Yeah when he's a fucking sexual predator and murderer will also doesn't matter. How old is it doesn't matter how old he is. It doesn't matter what his opinion ramp or is not relevant. You you already were confused. That's why you're like this. So you your opinion about it and how you see. It is not valid because according to you know once life matters any woman is i again. Sixty who cares. No no people. A lot of people care a lot of people care and a lot of people are tired of people like that guy exploiting positions of not power but automatic trust. Yeah it's that's what's so grows. Can you imagine going into a church or like. I can't imagine going into a church and getting a creepy vibe of like ono. The guy that works here is scaring me. Yeah that's the opposite of churches are supposed to work. There should be no such thing as automatic. Trust me and it sucks but even you know. you're fucking pediatrician. Or your fucking you know your What's it called anything. There's just there's no such thing anymore right and there never was. We just let it happen right. Yeah it's it's okay to be just be aware. Be careful and thank god for the internet and checky cecchi cheque's heck everyone's fucking everything record. Yeah wow that's amazing. Yeah such a good story with.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"I mean i don't know technically. Oh yeah will. I bet you'd say just for the protectorate. But the other thing is wasn't she found brutally beaten. Yeah so that's bullshit beaten and raped while unconscious so clearly. He left some shutout here. They just tell you everything in this article too much. But i would bet you that. Like he's basically saying. Well i just did kyle away. And she died. And then she's sa- unfortunately he's basically telling the story to this other priests like too bad that happened as opposed to you finally fucking attack this woman. Well one of the things that they said was. He didn't show what i would consider to be come. compunction or sorrow or grief or anything like that so He kept to himself. And then at this point in two thousand and two years in his seventies any other change of And he was like fucking testify like. Let's do how which is incredible so texas rangers than begin to reinvestigate the case when he's contacted fight. Who's now 69-year-old's says that man doesn't exist anymore and he won't say anything else like the men who who murdered a woman Yeah he does do yeah. He does sorry. He's in you. So rangers also interviewed father. O'brien who back then was like i saw scratches on his hands and he tells the rangers at a few months after the murderer fight He had confronted fight about whether he had killed irene and the priest told him everything so he was like yup. I know everything fucking testified. Oh shit And yeah he'll he'll tell everything so and i would say this to this was back. I think that people very rarely broke that. Like if i'm telling you if i'm giving you confession you're like basically you have to forgive me the end. You don't say anything that's in like police t- buys all the not sure anymore. We'll no. I'm saying. I think back then no one would ever break it whereas nowadays. I think it's like now everyone's seeing the reason that that rule is put into place maybe not have been for the best right or the that there were many more people would exploit it than anyone would. Yeah yeah that's true. I'm sorry catholic defensive. That's okay so then. In july two thousand and two the brownsville herald ran a front page story on irene's murder and the suspicion about john fight and so healed ago. County district attorney renee. Guerrara was asked if he planned to pursue indictment in the case because they were like we have a fucking out. It's now including two people who he told murdered irene. And they're willing to testify. And this guy. Rene was like kenneth said quote canopy solved while i believe that pays comply anything is possible and then he said why would anyone be haunted by her death. She died her killer got away so he fucking flippantly. Who is this guy rene guerrara. He's a fucking held ago now..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Okay then right. So one of the men that he helped clear for parish was james porter. Who isn't the guy from deliver restroom evil but could be a child molester. Convicted of assaulting more than a hundred victims was a priest. He was like get him back in their hearing the game. If fucking dick okay. John fight left. The priest in nineteen seventy two and moved to phoenix. Worked as an insurance salesman got married had kids and grandkids lives a fucking normal goddamn life roe. Meanwhile irene's parents nick and josephina garza. They both passed away in the nineties. Ever seeing anyone prosecuted her irene's murder but they were assured by people in the church that father fight Who they always fucking suspected would be punished by the church. If they found out anything have been have been done and they were assured that this was a bigger sentence handed than any court could hand down and say like okay great 'cause they still bucking believe in the catholic church. They were fucking catholics while. Yeah so april. Two thousand two. Let's jump ahead okay. All right good forty. Two years after the murder of irene. Garza a former monk named dale tash ni who had left the priesthood more than thirty years earlier to marry. Suddenly he gets a fucking conscience a he says that in the summer of nineteen sixty three he was asked to counsel john fight while he swell john stayed at the monastery where This guy dale was a second priests monk During their six months counseling. John fight told tashin of the night that irene died. The sky called the fucking investigator was like. Let me tell you something. He told him that father fight had asked her to come to the church. Rectory had heard her calm and headed her confession and after the confession he had restrained irene. maybe bound and gagged her. He had fondled her breasts and before he returned to the sanctuary to hear confessions he had moved her to the rectory basement and later that evening he moved to another location then on easter sunday and so she still alive then easter sunday. He put irene in the bathtub. Place a bag over her set head and as he was leaving the bathroom he heard her say. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. And then tash said when he came back later on that day or early evening he found her dead in the bathtub. And then that night He put her in a car and took her and drop tackle along a roadside where there was a canal Tashin you had kept it to himself at a sense of religious obligation for more than four decades. He didn't tell anyone it's like he confessed to him. And you can't it the in terms of being priest here's confession you're not allowed to repeat it. I mean i feel so grateful that he came forward and said stuff but at the same time. It's like some this person. This man murdered this woman. It doesn't batsman that's not a priest then. That's not a priest anymore. The man who murdered someone is not doesn't get to have that nobody ever gets. It's not just for priests. That's that's the that's like. They're talking to god through and you don't get to intervene. Yeah because they're asking for forgiveness and so you have to be that no matter what somebody says to you as a priest you have to say when he was counseling him so it wasn't confession..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"The phone please will not I wanna go to a treatment center for troubled priests and take him out on the deck right. The horror movie that needs to be written out of that. I mean the children come and attack and kill them. O o of corn but at a fucking monastery for troubled quote trouble tranquil. Priests were. it's revenge. The children come out of the fields. It's called here are in traveled piece. Priests you're in trouble erin. Travel i heard what you did. This past summer. Rain said jesus said jesus to garden that's fucked up He'll everyone in that neighborhood where that place was like move away. We'll remember when we watched. What was the really great documentary in on netflix over the summer keepers and they and he went and visited the house where all of the priests had gotten sent to day lived in their own show. Musters shut yet. Keepers is still button gray ruin. Should watch it. it's so good. Listen if you wanna binge weekend of terrible shed should watch deliver us from evil which you your morning to you need to watch. It's historical information that you need to know about. It's just fuck in life lessons and you just need to like calm. Your pessimism a little bit optimism. Skin to say we'll also there's i it's that thing of it feels like a very new cultural thing where it's like everybody's got to get real with the fact that that true sociopath pass move in this world in exactly these unexpected ways. They are baseball coaches. they are priests. They move into their their moi's manipulate yet and they're good at it. they're good. You're not and you need to get okay with that. Yes you got you got to. If you're a single parent you gotta keep your. I double peeled. You've got a triple check all the people that want to be in your child life all that stuff which we're saying that people who know it by heart i mean like yeah but she forget that shit man like when it's.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"It's at the bottom of the irrigation canal. Where they think her body was thrown in cliff. They also find the candelabra that belong to the church. John fight is like oh yeah. I bought that code. Slide thing last summer he is like. Oh yeah that was mine. And those candelabra that kinda elaborate belong to the church so what he probably strangled her with and what he probably hero. The fucking head with is at the bottom of the fucking canal and raises his fucking hand. That's mine. well has kind of in the confidence of knowing. No one can do anything about it. Who fucking yeah. Maybe who knows so. Finally priests down with the detectives in early. May he provides a of course meticulous account actions on easter weekend. He says he counseled irene. In the sacred heart rectory said he. I totally did that. Because she had some information. She wanted to give me that private. So i brought her. That's why i brought her in there Because of the confession booth which is a muffled clo closet that no one can hear. the from. The outside wasn't private and she could only scream. Her confession is the problem sees no. He saw her leave though at whatever time and then he had these dumb excuses for white had cuts on his hand. And he's like and goodbye. Polygraph tests implicate him in both irene's murder and the attack on maria carreira a couple of weeks earlier and in august father fight is indicted for assault with intent to rape maria carreira. Oh shit yeah. The jury though motherfucking deadlocks and the proceedings end in mistrial and so rather than face a second trial in nineteen sixty two father. Fight pleads no contest to reduce charges of aggravated assault gets fined. Five hundred dollars takes that right out of the goodbye. He takes it right. The church do what do they call it. The collection plano. I'm losing all of my terminology. I mean jesus. Christ that's the guy he's like. Can't jesus can see in here. You if you're trying to reliable in church surely yeah. So it's an that. The district attorney the district attorney at the time. A church leaders cut a deal to stop the investigation into john. Fight to protect the reputation of the church also most elected officials at the time It's the hilda hill. Hildalgo county were catholic. Mostly elected leaders and it was at a time when none other than fucking senator john f..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"It's just children against adults and there's no everyone's like no fucking way snotty on children against adults children against god's chosen people and these. I highly religious people which i don't completely understand which is why i was excited to talk to you about this because you were raised catholic. They're in foul. Year are in fallible. And you talking. Badly of against a priest is talking badly against jesus fucking christ. That's right right this. it's it's like pre vatican two shit where it's like. It's old lake when the pope's used to control everybody and they were the richest people and they fuck anything they wanted and it was just all about power and money and basically these. Yeah this is why people who were pedophile went into stood then they went in with carte blanche and we're not saying that catholicism is bad religion that presser bad people that any. You know. we're not. I'm not talking on any of this. It's just this reality of a of a really bad period. That happened that We need to acknowledge me. I mean i think at this point. It's so been acknowledged most of the people that i know that are good. Catholics and that our faith-based lake they don't they they still believe in their relationship with god and spirituality but most of the adults that i know because of the stuff that's happened in the catholic church are incredible. And i don't just mean like people my age. I mean like people. My parents age that are just so It's like you can't you can't look at that power structure and go. This should continue. This is yeah. This is going great. They've handled stuff great right and it should continue. There's they're very few people that feel that way because it's just so what a horrible things you can't give people absolute power like that. No no not at all especially that access that access to families. But but i have to say this to lake. There are priests in my insane francis. That are some of the best people. I've ever met absolutely and it's just that kind of like it's almost like the bad ones steal the good asks goodwill from the good ones definitely Because those ones it's like what what a great effect on people's lives. Yes that's how it all works definitely So okay so yeah so. This is way before any of these. Things came to light so at sunday. Mass after i rinse funeral just to show you how protected prese were. The priests told the congregation that he knew they were rumors that a priest was involved in iran's murder and he said quote it is impossible that a priest would commit a crime. Like this. don't speak of it. Don't even let yourself think it. He said that himself to the krahn congregation. Yeah right in late april Detectives drain the irrigation canal. Where they had found irene's body on the bottom was a light green eastman kodak. Slide viewer with a long black cord so like a slide viewer yet lecture. Viewer like one of these chuckling teaching but to the wall okay like a side show. Yeah things yet go. We call those kota slide viewers at our house. You know there is a of it online if you look at the actual one so it's long cord on it..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Huge accomplishment so at twenty five years old. She worked as a teacher for dinner disadvantage children which she took a great pride end. Some students were so poor and came from the neighborhood where she had come from and had been able to get out of that they came to school barefoot and irene spent her first paycheck on buying those children clothes and books so this very day rice even worse eyebrows. -actly so she's this really big hearted kind person. She is gorgeous which isn't a reason why she shouldn't be victim. But there's just this warmth coming from her and you know she had a huge future that That that she earned what i'm saying. Yep listen look look and listen. Stop it at the center of her life. Though is her devout catholic faith. That's like her fucking thing. On april sixteenth nineteen sixty The day before fucking Easter sunday okay. Saturday easter saturday called the thing. It's like chill out saturday. Ignite is palm I know chill the fuck out saturday for easter. Well go ahead. well good friday good friday. Good fridays when he went upon across. Okay it might be the ascension. I don't know chilled out on saturday. He rolled up in that town. Yeah and then and then. He was risen on sunday but saturday he just hung out. We'll saturday. It was all up in that tomb. Yeah people thinking he's dead. It's over and i'm gonna hide okay. I'm not getting sacrilegious here. We already have real mad at me. It's so sad. Because i've had this drummed into my head but then of course when would be impressive. I can't pull it out and here's the thing in today's personnel hannukah. We rebelled against it because we hate it so much. Everything was dinner. Had like fucking. Yeah and now we don't now you just don't know thing now. Just the guilt remains the guilt and the Ignorance and the really good songs. Ooh i a bunch of those pieces flowing like a river anytime you want me to sing it to i will..
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"kate winkler dawson" Discussed on My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
"Presents wicked words. I love to listen to my favorite murderer because it reminds me that it's okay to sometimes laugh at some pretty serious subjects on my own show and georgia and karen or so good at weighing that balance between humor and respect. And it's good for me to remember that. I can do that too so i wanted to pick a few of the older episodes because i'm a new fan and i really just wanted an excuse to listen to some shows that they tape in the early years. The first is episode. Ninety nine the story of irene garza told by georgia. I followed this case for years one. Because i'm a texan and index stories and to because i'm fascinated with stories. Were murder intersects with religion. So here's the story of irene. Garza and priest john this This is a timely story. Because it's a cold case that finally hopefully at this is the end came last week But this is a story that i've been interested in. It's forty one of the forty eight hours you know we've all watched at. It's really interesting. Texas monthly got a lot of the information from the texas monthly which we love texas monthly. The best article called unholy act by pamela call left. Co l. o. f. f. this is the story of a fucking priest john fight oh worder of irene garza oh i don't know that so honey. Oh shit i can buckle the fuck buckled down. Baby settle in buckle up on the coffee table the goggles able can coffee-table like you have a crush on Okay here we go so irene. Garza is born in nineteen thirty four. She's historic haired hispanic beauty from mcallen texas. It's an agricultural agricultural surreal nope area agricultural agricultural inc area south texas and the rio grande valley five miles from the us. Mexico border in high school. I reign had been crowned. Miss all south texas sweetheart shit and mcallen high school Where everyone's fucking white back. Then she had been the first hispanic twirler and head drum majorette while she was like fucking busting down borders. She's beautiful beauty queen but she's hispanic so it's you know Sense of pride that it's it's you know. She's she's down borders. she's not. I mean texas. That's like the blonde big blue eyes. That's like usually what you're going to get out of texas beauty queen right and she is you know she's not.